**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 30 02:59:57 2010
Mar 30 03:00:15 <cehteh> prolly powermangagement problem with your AP
Mar 30 03:00:27 <Funnyface2> if I try to ping the computer hosting it all, I get 4ms most of the time, which is normal, but every now and then I get 1400ms and such
Mar 30 03:00:34 <cehteh> and if you copy data to emmc that might be the limiting factor :)
Mar 30 03:00:54 <Funnyface2> nah I am just trying to load web pages etc
Mar 30 03:01:09 <cehteh> yeah sounds like powermanagement issues (well not exactly issues, thats how powermanagement on wifi works)
Mar 30 03:01:11 <Funnyface2> at the moment, it has been sitting there loading google forever, the search box finally came up, but no images
Mar 30 03:01:29 <Funnyface2> it is adhoc, not infrastructure
Mar 30 03:01:30 <Funnyface2> :P
Mar 30 03:01:47 <cehteh> uhm ok adhoc has no pm
Mar 30 03:01:50 <cehteh> well dunno then
Mar 30 03:03:24 <Funnyface2> :\
Mar 30 03:04:44 <Funnyface2> I never had any luck with this wifi :P
Mar 30 03:05:12 <Funnyface2> but I am going to buy a proper access point soon
Mar 30 03:05:22 <cehteh> my old AP makes problems too i have to reduce the powermanagement to 'moderate' settings
Mar 30 03:05:30 <cehteh> but then works okish
Mar 30 03:05:41 <Funnyface2> I just need to find a suitable one, something that doesn't crash every few hours, and something that can accept port forwarding settings without rebooting
Mar 30 03:06:14 <cehteh> heh .. with AP i mean AP here .. from 2001 or so its only a ap, not a router
Mar 30 03:06:31 <Funnyface2> yeah those are fine too
Mar 30 03:06:37 <Funnyface2> to add wifi to your existing network :P
Mar 30 03:06:45 <Funnyface2> but I have no router at all at the moment
Mar 30 03:06:56 <cehteh> otherwise for something new i would head out for some device which runs a user tweakable linux distri, at least where one can install such
Mar 30 03:07:20 <Funnyface2> you're thinking of DDWRT or OpenWRT?
Mar 30 03:07:21 <cehteh> this damn thing wont die to give me a reason to buy a better one
Mar 30 03:07:42 <cehteh> something like that, didnt researched which one would be best
Mar 30 03:07:52 <cehteh> i'll do that when this one really dies
Mar 30 03:11:48 <frosty`> Funnyface2: running dd-wrt here and its been pretty good to me
Mar 30 03:13:13 <cehteh> frosty`: on what device?
Mar 30 03:13:20 <frosty`> cehteh: WRT54G
Mar 30 03:14:28 <cehteh> eww .. if i would buy a new one, i mean a new one :) .. that hardware is a bit dated
Mar 30 03:15:06 <Funnyface2> is it stable?
Mar 30 03:22:28 <Funnyface2> http://cgi.ebay.com/LINKSYS-WRT54G-TM-WIFI-ROUTER-W-DD-WRT-MEGA-HEATSINK_W0QQitemZ170384387009QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Routers?hash=item27abb36bc1 perhaps I should order this one
Mar 30 03:30:26 <frosty`> Funnyface2: my 54G? rock solid
Mar 30 03:31:15 <Funnyface2> so, if you had been running an ISP, you'd trust it enough to route traffic to your customers? :P
Mar 30 03:31:17 <errordeveloper> hm
Mar 30 03:31:27 <errordeveloper> i got another installer trouble:
Mar 30 03:32:15 <frosty`> Funnyface2: uhh. sure.
Mar 30 03:32:53 <errordeveloper>  http://dpaste.com/177554/
Mar 30 03:33:02 <errordeveloper> that's where first error occurs
Mar 30 03:33:27 <errordeveloper> basically also in syslog i get an error msg about /etc/login.defs
Mar 30 03:34:15 <errordeveloper> "Cannot open login definitions /etc/login.defs [No Such File or Directory]"
Mar 30 03:35:30 <errordeveloper> first i discovered that there is no $PATH/scratchbox/etc/login.defs and i made a symlink to my /etc/login.defs
Mar 30 04:05:06 <njsf_> Funnyface2: the WRT54G is not carrier grade, BUT plenty adequate for a hotspot deployment. It all depends on what part of the route it takes part  :)
Mar 30 04:17:23 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, neat
Mar 30 05:15:22 <madduck> does anyone know the problem that after an APT upgrade, all widgets disappear?
Mar 30 05:15:34 <Stskeeps> madduck: probably one of them that failed
Mar 30 05:15:48 <madduck> what do you mean?
Mar 30 05:16:18 <Stskeeps> as in one of the widgets caused a crash, so it reverted
Mar 30 05:16:29 <madduck> but all widgets are gone after the upgrade
Mar 30 05:16:41 <madduck> and there was no error (I did the upgrade via SSH)
Mar 30 05:16:44 <Stskeeps> ah, you're not supposed to use apt-get dist-upgrade
Mar 30 05:16:52 <madduck> why not?
Mar 30 05:17:04 <Stskeeps> there's some additional layers of protection in AM
Mar 30 05:17:04 <Stskeeps> HAM
Mar 30 05:17:24 <madduck> do you know of any documentation on this?
Mar 30 05:20:45 <Stskeeps> http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/
Mar 30 05:21:17 <madduck> "It should be possible to, for example, freely alternate between apt-get, synaptic and the Hildon Application Manager and not have anything break."
Mar 30 05:21:30 <Stskeeps> yes, except it doesn't :/
Mar 30 05:21:31 <Stskeeps> cos of domains
Mar 30 05:21:43 <Stskeeps> apt-get dist-upgrade will do upgrades that will break your neck
Mar 30 05:22:27 <madduck> okay, but the reason why this isn't really satisfactory to me is that I am a Debian developer and I know APT very well, so I'd really love to understand the technical reasons why hildon-am is so much better.
Mar 30 05:22:37 <madduck> I don't know what you mean with "domains"
Mar 30 05:23:11 <Stskeeps> yes, i know you're a debian developer, think i saw you on debconf9 :P
Mar 30 05:23:12 <Stskeeps> sec
Mar 30 05:23:40 <Stskeeps> http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/repos-devel.html
Mar 30 05:25:19 <madduck> thanks!
Mar 30 05:27:49 <Stskeeps> it does seem a bit weird in apt circumstances but it really does help against a lot of user fuckups/attack vectors
Mar 30 05:29:45 * RST38h wakes up and ehlos the audience
Mar 30 05:41:45 <crashanddie_> RST38h: ehlo to you too
Mar 30 06:21:54 <cedar> ~commands
Mar 30 06:22:08 <cedar> ~help
Mar 30 06:40:09 <rmrfchik> wazzup
Mar 30 06:40:26 <Stskeeps> not much
Mar 30 06:46:50 <tybollt> rmrfchik: you guys still in shock?
Mar 30 06:47:25 <rmrfchik> yeah
Mar 30 06:47:44 <rmrfchik> mourning day today in russia
Mar 30 06:47:54 <thresh> i was a lucky survivor thanks to my decision to not to work in Moscow 4 years ago
Mar 30 06:48:29 <rmrfchik> it is not a big risk to die on moscow because bombs
Mar 30 06:48:59 <rmrfchik> we scared? yes. we under risk? no.
Mar 30 06:49:06 <thresh> well, yeah we are under risk
Mar 30 06:49:09 <thresh> not bomb-related though
Mar 30 06:49:12 <rmrfchik> indeed
Mar 30 06:49:20 <tybollt> so who did it? chechnya, black widows?
Mar 30 06:49:21 <rmrfchik> car crashes takes more lives
Mar 30 06:49:29 <thresh> tybollt: they say so
Mar 30 06:49:34 <rmrfchik> wtf "black widows"?
Mar 30 06:50:32 <thresh> female serial killers who murder because their husbands were killed in a war
Mar 30 06:50:33 <thresh> etc
Mar 30 06:50:37 <rmrfchik> women almost takes no decisions in chechnya. it were kamikaze (yes, womens), but they were brain washed
Mar 30 06:50:53 <tybollt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahidka
Mar 30 06:50:59 <tybollt> ^^^^^black widows
Mar 30 06:51:02 <rmrfchik> not because "my husbend killed", but because they were trained to do
Mar 30 06:51:10 <thresh> not really
Mar 30 06:51:57 <thresh> well, i'm no specialist anyway
Mar 30 06:52:12 <rmrfchik> yes, we'll see what milita say
Mar 30 06:53:17 <tybollt> military will say "da Mr Putin, we will invade/crush/anihilate checnya once again" :)
Mar 30 06:54:01 <rmrfchik> that's only source of info here
Mar 30 06:54:32 <tybollt> what is?
Mar 30 06:54:42 <rmrfchik> goverment, fsb, militia
Mar 30 06:55:17 <crashanddie_> for a moment I thought there was a new version of Microsoft's operating system coming out
Mar 30 06:55:27 <crashanddie_> "Black Windows"
Mar 30 06:55:33 <tybollt> muahaha :D
Mar 30 07:11:34 <odin_> when does voting close ?  what time ?
Mar 30 07:37:46 <adisbladis> Anybody had the problem with the key E40DC434616730BD missing in apt?
Mar 30 07:39:17 <adisbladis> I have tried running "gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 616730BD" and "gpg --a --export 616730BD |apt-key add -"
Mar 30 07:39:34 <adisbladis> But apt-get update still complains about invalid signatures..
Mar 30 07:48:55 <Arkenklo> yay, grooveshark works flawlessly
Mar 30 07:49:43 <Arkenklo> not a huge suprise, but man it made me sooo satisfied
Mar 30 07:49:56 <adisbladis> Gah!
Mar 30 07:50:03 <adisbladis> This gpg thing is driving me nuts..
Mar 30 07:53:15 <tybollt> adisbladis: what about it is?
Mar 30 08:05:58 <adisbladis> tybollt: http://pastebin.com/9wGP3iMg
Mar 30 08:10:02 <tybollt> heh
Mar 30 08:10:31 <tybollt> adisbladis: if you update HAM
Mar 30 08:10:37 <tybollt> and then run apt-get update again
Mar 30 08:10:43 <tybollt> does the issue still appear?
Mar 30 08:14:09 <adisbladis> tybollt: HAM?
Mar 30 08:14:30 <tybollt> app manager
Mar 30 08:19:14 <adisbladis> tybollt: It just says "No updates available"
Mar 30 08:19:33 <tybollt> adisbladis: then run apt-get update again
Mar 30 08:19:38 <tybollt> still gpg issues?
Mar 30 08:20:19 <adisbladis> Yep
Mar 30 08:35:22 <Shapeshifter> oh lord writing a sharing plugin is complicated
Mar 30 08:36:08 <Shapeshifter> the picasa plugin is like >3000 lines of C
Mar 30 08:42:29 <Surfa> surprise
Mar 30 08:51:21 <cehteh> heh complicated starts at 50k lines C
Mar 30 08:52:05 <Djkrikke> hi guys, is there a way to share 3G via wifi without joikuspot?
Mar 30 08:52:43 <asj> Djkrikke: it's linux, it can't be that complicated
Mar 30 08:53:01 <mzanetti_> Djkrikke: iptables :)
Mar 30 08:53:23 <asj> and joikuspot is a pita since last I tried it was ad-hoc anyways
Mar 30 08:55:11 <Djkrikke> i see..asj, did you akready manage to fix it without joikuspot?
Mar 30 08:56:33 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: I might write a plugin that uploads to an ftp/ssh server. the bash script is like 3 lines (mogrify, upload, return link)
Mar 30 08:56:45 <asj> Djkrikke: fix what? nothing is broken
Mar 30 08:57:29 <Djkrikke> fixing wifi routing without joikuspot I meant
Mar 30 08:57:46 <asj> there's so much more to it than just routing
Mar 30 08:58:45 <nidO> an ftp/scp sharing plugin would be damn handy
Mar 30 08:58:51 <mgedmin> Djkrikke, I sort-of managed once, but it was painful
Mar 30 08:58:58 <asj> if you don't know networking well, iptables, 802.11 aps, etc, why not just buy joikuspot?
Mar 30 09:00:19 <RST38h> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/30mar10ob235vcefgh.jpg
Mar 30 09:00:22 <rwat> is it ok to discuss maemo v android from a user perspective here, or does it get me banned ?
Mar 30 09:01:09 <Stskeeps> can always try, if it's constructive
Mar 30 09:01:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 30 09:01:13 <rmrfchik> eventually, you will be banned in any way
Mar 30 09:01:22 <asj> RST38h: ?
Mar 30 09:01:55 <rmrfchik> RST38h: china maemo mockup?
Mar 30 09:02:07 <nidO> maemo?
Mar 30 09:02:08 <RST38h> rmrf: Toshiba K01
Mar 30 09:02:11 <asj> no it's winmo
Mar 30 09:02:11 <nidO> thats a winmo interface
Mar 30 09:02:24 <RST38h> rmrf: Running WinMo though
Mar 30 09:02:28 <asj> http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/toshiba-k01-goes-official-as-is02-in-japan/
Mar 30 09:02:37 <cehteh> Shapeshifter: there is a ftp sharing plugin on ovi store .. while i miss a sftp/scp plugin, i would donate you a beer at least for that :)
Mar 30 09:02:53 <rmrfchik> who needs winmo this days?
Mar 30 09:03:16 <RST38h> rmrf: Toshiba apparently is.
Mar 30 09:04:07 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: mhh, when I have the time I'll make one
Mar 30 09:04:09 <rmrfchik> either this is for special market or they lose sense of situation. win 6.5 is so ooooollld
Mar 30 09:04:42 <rmrfchik> RST38h: next article in engadget far more interesting
Mar 30 09:04:49 <rmrfchik> http://www.blogcdn.com/japanese.engadget.com/media/2010/03/is01top.jpg
Mar 30 09:05:15 <cehteh> ShadowJK: rsync would be nice too, while prolly not really required for sharing
Mar 30 09:05:16 <nidO> winmo 6.5 bashing or not, a >4inch screen device with a full keyboard is rather nice, hardware wise
Mar 30 09:05:43 <ShadowJK> ..
Mar 30 09:06:15 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, well, presence or absence of bq27200 interests me
Mar 30 09:06:37 <Shapeshifter> bbq27200
Mar 30 09:06:41 <Shapeshifter> the grill YOU need
Mar 30 09:06:43 <rmrfchik> damn, /bin/sh in maemo5 has no clue about UTF8
Mar 30 09:06:51 <mgedmin> busybox has its downsides
Mar 30 09:07:06 <rmrfchik> i wonder, if I hack /etc/passwd to set sh as /bin/bash...
Mar 30 09:07:09 <cehteh> i once compiled bash4 for the n900 .. with some hacks
Mar 30 09:07:23 <mgedmin> I believe chsh exists; I was always too scared to try it
Mar 30 09:07:24 <rmrfchik> there is bash3 in packages
Mar 30 09:07:29 <cehteh> since when?
Mar 30 09:07:35 <cehteh> i only seen bash2
Mar 30 09:07:44 <rmrfchik> dunno. i just installed in ysterday
Mar 30 09:07:45 <cehteh> but thats 3+ months ago
Mar 30 09:07:54 <rmrfchik> s/in/it
Mar 30 09:08:04 <cehteh> nice ..
Mar 30 09:08:13 <rmrfchik> I always prefer zsh, but hope bash will enough on tablet
Mar 30 09:08:27 <nidO> ah good, ovi store did actually get an update to support maemo publishing finally
Mar 30 09:08:41 <rmrfchik> publishing?
Mar 30 09:08:52 <cehteh> i needed only bash3 but tried bash4 just for fun, a testsuite i have uses the =~ regex operator
Mar 30 09:08:55 <nidO> yeah, publishers can now actually publish maemo apps to it
Mar 30 09:09:01 <nidO> havent been able to until now
Mar 30 09:09:07 <hrw> morning
Mar 30 09:09:12 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: ah. is =~ bash 3 or 4?
Mar 30 09:09:22 <rmrfchik> oh. so we should expect waterfall of apps in ovi?
Mar 30 09:09:23 <cehteh> nidO: you mean sharing works finally and doesnt crash?
Mar 30 09:09:35 <nidO> eh?
Mar 30 09:09:41 <cehteh> Shapeshifter: bash3 is sufficient
Mar 30 09:09:51 <Shapeshifter> right
Mar 30 09:10:05 <cehteh> ah store ..
Mar 30 09:10:13 <cehteh> you was at ovi share .. never worked for me
Mar 30 09:10:25 <cehteh> trying to upload a photo just hangs
Mar 30 09:10:30 <rmrfchik> nidO: does it mean, there should be a lot of apps now?
Mar 30 09:10:43 <cehteh> trying to open the 'albums' crashes the sharing app
Mar 30 09:10:53 <nidO> well it means publishers *can* now publish maemo apps, so presumably nokia feel the store's actually ready to support them
Mar 30 09:11:06 <nidO> cehteh: im sure I managed to use ovi share in the past, just checking tho
Mar 30 09:11:26 <cehteh> never ever worked for me ..
Mar 30 09:11:38 <cehteh> and i have no idea why not
Mar 30 09:11:54 <cehteh> anyways i want ssh/sftp sharing to my own server
Mar 30 09:12:03 <nidO> I managed to share a photo to it on 20/02/2010 without problems :p
Mar 30 09:12:13 <Shapeshifter> mh but this picasa plugin doesn't work.
Mar 30 09:12:15 <cehteh> well for fun i sometimes directly mount my server to /media/mmc1/DCIM :)
Mar 30 09:12:23 <nidO> but yeah i really wouldnt say no to an scp-to-own-server plugin
Mar 30 09:12:30 <cehteh> sshfs ftw
Mar 30 09:12:50 <cehteh> http://public.pipapo.org/
Mar 30 09:13:14 <nidO> "this page is in irish.."
Mar 30 09:13:31 <cehteh> irish?
Mar 30 09:13:39 <nidO> thats what google toolbar thinks yeah :p
Mar 30 09:13:50 <cehteh> heh
Mar 30 09:18:14 <Shapeshifter> so has anyone found out how to do fullscreen in vgba?
Mar 30 09:20:28 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, oh, nevermind, yo already answered that one :)
Mar 30 09:23:29 <amanda9> http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s
Mar 30 09:23:32 <amanda9> what the ...
Mar 30 09:25:40 * MohammadAG does the Qt upgrade
Mar 30 09:25:57 <Kurppa_> Good luck.
Mar 30 09:26:21 <MohammadAG> pyQt
Mar 30 09:26:24 <MohammadAG> I need it
Mar 30 09:26:40 <MohammadAG> apt-get dist-upgrade isn't something that went well last time
Mar 30 09:26:54 <hrw> ~curse nokia
Mar 30 09:26:56 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia !
Mar 30 09:27:15 <MohammadAG> what's diffmo?
Mar 30 09:31:53 <MohammadAG> pr1.2 better be released soon
Mar 30 09:32:06 <MohammadAG> extras-devel is full of broken packages
Mar 30 09:32:30 <hrw> MohammadAG: I am wondering how many devs will stop using extras
Mar 30 09:32:54 <MohammadAG> good thing we still get the source...
Mar 30 09:33:07 <MohammadAG> oh wait, the sdk was updated, i forgot :/
Mar 30 09:48:24 * MohammadAG wonders what would happen if he force installs the SDK in Easy Debian
Mar 30 09:48:40 <Stskeeps> nothing interesting
Mar 30 09:51:07 <lardman> morning
Mar 30 09:51:23 <lardman> hey Khertan
Mar 30 09:51:29 <Khertan> Hello !
Mar 30 09:51:35 <lardman> how are things?
Mar 30 09:52:14 <Khertan> lardman: fine ... thx for asking :)
Mar 30 09:52:20 * lardman smiles inside looking a the openpandora website and seeing that they still haven't managed to produce anything yet
Mar 30 09:52:59 <Khertan> lardman: they haven't produce any device yet ?
Mar 30 09:54:19 <lardman> well protos, but doesn't look like any paying customers have got one yet
Mar 30 09:54:37 <lardman> from reading the "status update blog" it looks like they are still buggering around with cases
Mar 30 09:54:54 <Stskeeps> should just sell the boards..
Mar 30 09:54:54 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 30 09:55:10 <lardman> I'm rather glad I pulled my money 1.5 years ago when it was first supposed to be released
Mar 30 09:55:47 <lardman> Stskeeps: hard to tell if it's a case of perfectionism, or that it's all a smokescreen because stuff isn't (and certainly wasn't) ready
Mar 30 09:56:24 <lardman> I mean it must have cost them some serious money with all the repeated prototyping, but then I suppose they have the interest from their pre-order money
Mar 30 09:57:59 <Anss|> status says that mass production has started.
Mar 30 09:58:05 <DocScrutinizer> moroning
Mar 30 09:58:13 <lardman> hi DocScrutinizer
Mar 30 09:58:34 <lardman> Anss|: well mass production of keymats would count there ;)
Mar 30 09:58:56 <lardman> Anss|: but seriously, afaiu they have the boards made, though who knows
Mar 30 10:00:04 <Aranel> is it possible (maybe any HOWTOs about it?) to use screensavers with N900? It's weird nobody asks for it.
Mar 30 10:00:08 <jrocha> hi, any folks from maemo.org? I've uploaded SeriesFinale 0.5 and today I promoted it but still it doesn't show up in my N900
Mar 30 10:00:30 <lardman> Aranel: no need to save LCD screens, plus it powers off
Mar 30 10:00:55 <MiXu-> using a screensaver is a waste of power
Mar 30 10:01:02 <lardman> Aranel: you'd be better creating an app that runs the "screensaver" so it looks pretty, etc.
Mar 30 10:01:13 <MiXu-> World would be a better place if they had never been invented :D
Mar 30 10:01:29 <Aranel> lardman: In fact I do not want it to save my screen, I'd love it if it shows time/date, new messages etc.
Mar 30 10:01:56 <lardman> Aranel: there's a bug for adding more info to the unlock screen?
Mar 30 10:02:02 <lardman> that might be a better bet
Mar 30 10:02:11 <Aranel> yeah i know, anyway I've used some screensavers with my Nxx devices and It was not a power waster for me.
Mar 30 10:02:17 <Surfa> it drains battery pretty fast so you probably don't really want that..
Mar 30 10:02:28 <X-Fade> jrocha: let me check.
Mar 30 10:02:31 <Aranel> hmm but since the unlock screen goes off after seconds, it would not do the trick.
Mar 30 10:02:33 <X-Fade> jrocha: fremantle?
Mar 30 10:02:40 <lardman> Aranel: but the screen still goes off quite quickly with those devices doens't it?
Mar 30 10:02:40 <jrocha> X-Fade, yup
Mar 30 10:02:43 <jrocha> X-Fade, thanks
Mar 30 10:03:00 <Aranel> screen light goes off but It still shows the information all day.
Mar 30 10:03:07 <lardman> Aranel: well that could also be a modification, it's certainly wasted atm with pictures of water drops (or whatever it is)
Mar 30 10:03:48 <lardman> Aranel: personally I'd prefer the power saving of switching the LCD off, vs leaving it on and switching the backlight off
Mar 30 10:03:53 <lardman> it's not so hard to press a button
Mar 30 10:04:13 <SpeedEvil> Aranel, no.
Mar 30 10:04:31 <lardman> I don't know what the power drains are of our large LCD vs the smaller ones on phones (w/out bl)
Mar 30 10:04:37 <SpeedEvil> keeping screen awake unbacklit on n900 costs a fair bit
Mar 30 10:04:53 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: how much?
Mar 30 10:05:09 <SpeedEvil> you've got to keep much of the cpu awake
Mar 30 10:05:17 <MohammadAG> Xorg?
Mar 30 10:05:21 <hrw> I hope that next nokia maemo^Wmeego^Wpeego^Wwhatever linux phone will finally be able to run without swap on slow drive
Mar 30 10:05:21 <DocScrutinizer> no
Mar 30 10:05:30 <SpeedEvil> and no, I haven't measured it today.
Mar 30 10:05:42 <SpeedEvil> yet I mean.
Mar 30 10:05:51 <SpeedEvil> maybe today.
Mar 30 10:05:53 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, well dss would be active but core+neon+mpu+stuff would be OFF, right..
Mar 30 10:06:00 <ShadowJK> unless stuff on screen is updating :)
Mar 30 10:06:06 <DocScrutinizer> you need to keep the LCD awake, and possibly the framebuffer
Mar 30 10:06:22 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK, aiui, ye
Mar 30 10:06:26 <lardman> ShadowJK: the point here was to keep updating the screen too
Mar 30 10:06:27 <SpeedEvil> s
Mar 30 10:06:31 <Aranel> If there's a easy way to test it, I would :)
Mar 30 10:06:48 <DocScrutinizer> though I'm not even sure about the later, given the LCD is driven via 3 I2C alike serial lines aiui
Mar 30 10:06:52 <SpeedEvil> well - you can test power use easily
Mar 30 10:06:55 <Aranel> I think some app like Batter Eye would calculate that very well
Mar 30 10:07:02 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, not lvds?
Mar 30 10:07:16 <DocScrutinizer> from schematics not
Mar 30 10:07:39 <lardman> do we have schematics?
Mar 30 10:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> no sure
Mar 30 10:07:41 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, must be.
Mar 30 10:08:16 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, 3 lines for 16*480*800*60
Mar 30 10:08:27 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Mar 30 10:08:31 <DocScrutinizer> strange
Mar 30 10:10:14 <SpeedEvil> #!/bin/sh
Mar 30 10:10:35 <SpeedEvil> echo $1>/sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.2/backlight:acx565akm/brightness
Mar 30 10:11:00 <SpeedEvil> save those lines to /usr/local/bin/brightness
Mar 30 10:11:04 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: k, seems I missed a few bits (literally :-P)
Mar 30 10:11:18 <SpeedEvil> then brightness 0 will turn off the bl.
Mar 30 10:11:25 <Hohoo> Some idiot keeps sending me a spam SMS every other second. Is it possible to block them by modifying that callblock.py script?
Mar 30 10:11:39 <DocScrutinizer> Z1505, Z1521..3
Mar 30 10:11:41 <hrw> SpeedEvil: /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/ is easier path
Mar 30 10:11:54 <SpeedEvil> do life test with screen on and bl off
Mar 30 10:12:05 <SpeedEvil> hrw, prolly
Mar 30 10:13:06 <MiXu-> Hohoo: I prefer the approach of reporting him to his operator and/or police
Mar 30 10:13:52 <hrw> argh... 256M ram + 768M swap was terrible idea
Mar 30 10:14:47 <MiXu-> I agree. If the swap actually has to be used the device goes pretty much unusable.
Mar 30 10:15:24 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Mar 30 10:15:48 <ShadowJK> swap use ballooned to 500 megs when I did tracker -r and it reindexed and thumbnailed 200 videos..
Mar 30 10:15:55 <SpeedEvil> my n900 has been my major device for a while
Mar 30 10:15:56 <Hohoo> MiXu-: you know... he's one of those kids who get their kicks from sending empty messages
Mar 30 10:16:11 <MiXu-> nice :P
Mar 30 10:16:23 <SpeedEvil> the browser can use lots of memory if you use it lots
Mar 30 10:17:46 <odin_> has everyone voted... last day today is it ?
Mar 30 10:17:57 <hrw> SpeedEvil: thats gecko - so it has to use insane amount of ram
Mar 30 10:18:18 <nidO> nope, too new to m.o to vote :(
Mar 30 10:18:20 <SpeedEvil> this is _so_ broken
Mar 30 10:18:32 <DocScrutinizer> flash
Mar 30 10:18:47 <DocScrutinizer> eats ram like cat eat fish
Mar 30 10:18:53 * odin_ pull down his pants (for a moment)
Mar 30 10:19:06 <SpeedEvil> ff1.5 was _much_ better on a pII/300/128
Mar 30 10:19:29 <SpeedEvil> even with 20 tabs
Mar 30 10:19:47 <Stskeeps> developers should be forced to devel on what people have in average of machines
Mar 30 10:19:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 30 10:19:59 * SpeedEvil wonders about ff 1.5 on arm
Mar 30 10:20:20 <SpeedEvil> that would be interesting
Mar 30 10:22:23 <corecode> vote for?
Mar 30 10:22:38 <lardman> corecode: new council
Mar 30 10:22:45 <corecode> a-ha.
Mar 30 10:22:55 <MiXu-> SpeedEvil: Back then the websites were lighter as well.
Mar 30 10:23:13 <Kurppa_> And internet was lighter.
Mar 30 10:23:22 <corecode> i was lighter too
Mar 30 10:23:29 <corecode> in case that matters
Mar 30 10:23:30 * SpeedEvil is tempted to find laptop.
Mar 30 10:23:40 <SpeedEvil> I wasn't.
Mar 30 10:23:47 <corecode> always skinny?
Mar 30 10:23:53 <SpeedEvil> I think 10kg heavier.
Mar 30 10:24:10 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: devels should be forced to test on the crappiest shit you can possibly find
Mar 30 10:24:14 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/wlog
Mar 30 10:24:21 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/wlog.gif
Mar 30 10:24:34 <ShadowJK> Celeron Mobile 900 with 512M of ram and Windows 7 Home Premium?
Mar 30 10:24:54 <MiXu-> lol
Mar 30 10:25:07 <Kurppa_> With f-secure running on background.
Mar 30 10:25:07 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: i'm a firm believer of developing on machines until it is a financial problem (job) or a blocker to not upgrade them
Mar 30 10:25:48 <DocScrutinizer> heh, fair enough
Mar 30 10:26:08 <Kurppa_> DocScrutinizer: devels don't test though.
Mar 30 10:26:14 <Kurppa_> They just code & commit.
Mar 30 10:26:23 <lardman> Stskeeps: and along that theme I'm finally getting round to upgrading my work machine which I bought 5 years ago
Mar 30 10:27:03 <DocScrutinizer> Kurppa_: I usually beat them all down the alley for that :-P
Mar 30 10:30:45 <DocScrutinizer> Kurppa_: It's the devel who *should* know best what to test and how in detail his patches may have borked the app. If a devel is too arrogant or too numb to understand he's not the god of coding and shit happen and he has to check before committing broken shit, too bad for him - deserves spanking
Mar 30 10:31:34 <lardman> hmm, I'd probably not go with the spanking myself
Mar 30 10:31:45 <lardman> ;)
Mar 30 10:34:02 <DocScrutinizer> "sorry users, my last patch made 0.9.8.4-55 segfault at start. Fill fix that tonight" - I mean, WHAT???
Mar 30 10:35:36 <X-Fade> jrocha: found the issue, should be visible soon.
Mar 30 10:35:45 <DocScrutinizer> I coded security software for subways. Go figure
Mar 30 10:35:56 <jrocha> X-Fade, what was the problem?
Mar 30 10:36:06 <DocScrutinizer> the signaling and blocking shit
Mar 30 10:36:25 <X-Fade> jrocha: Small race condition in the sync to live part.
Mar 30 10:36:36 <jrocha> X-Fade, so it wasn't my fault?
Mar 30 10:36:43 <DocScrutinizer> oops sorry, this train is junk, will fix that bit tonight
Mar 30 10:36:52 <X-Fade> jrocha: No, it wasn't.
Mar 30 10:36:57 <jrocha> X-Fade, ok
Mar 30 10:36:58 <poutsi> anybody know where the desktop widget settings are stored on fremantle?
Mar 30 10:37:08 <poutsi> need to kill a widget that won't die otherwise
Mar 30 10:39:05 <lardman> DocScrutinizer: well that's mission critical, there's also the committment issue of it being a job vs a hobby
Mar 30 10:39:13 * Arif_ sneezes
Mar 30 10:39:23 * lardman says bless you
Mar 30 10:39:35 <Arif_> Thank you ={
Mar 30 10:39:46 <DocScrutinizer> lardman: sure. but there's a essential right and a basically wrong kind of attitude
Mar 30 10:39:47 * Arif_ found another new feature in ovi store :D
Mar 30 10:40:20 <DocScrutinizer> supports N900 now?
Mar 30 10:40:34 <Arif_> it already did...
Mar 30 10:40:36 <DocScrutinizer> store, bah
Mar 30 10:40:44 <Arif_> but now you can remember your login for 2 weeks!
Mar 30 10:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> ovi contacts
Mar 30 10:40:50 <DocScrutinizer> sync please
Mar 30 10:41:13 <Arif_> N900 won't get Ovi afaik
Mar 30 10:41:15 <DocScrutinizer> that's a bad joke
Mar 30 10:41:52 <nidO> Arif_ the major new store feature is the ability to actually publish maemo content at last :>
Mar 30 10:41:54 <Arif_> they took a whole day of maintenance to add 2 stars to the rating system and a "remember for 2 weeks" checkbox
Mar 30 10:42:37 <Arif_> oh and you can change your phone/language on the fly
Mar 30 10:44:40 <lardman> DocScrutinizer: definitely, but if an segfault is being caused that you'd not seen before, you may not have the time to fix it immediately
Mar 30 10:46:46 <Arif_> nidO, does that mean we'll get moar Sugar Snow Fairies?
Mar 30 10:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> lardman: it's well understood a devel can't do industry grade testing. There's the testing team for that (whatever that may be in the end). But obvious breakages caused by a fix pushed 4AM after 10 min of coding, with exactly zero testing - that's maximum sentence: winxp admin for 2 years
Mar 30 10:47:15 <nidO> well, it means that developers can actually push real applications into it rather than just the trash offered by their "selected partners"
Mar 30 10:47:42 <Arif_> great, that means we'll get joiku and maybe sygic
Mar 30 10:47:46 <Arif_> =)
Mar 30 10:47:56 <nidO> maybe.
Mar 30 10:48:23 <nidO> though, if both are already selling well through their own sites, they may not bother any more
Mar 30 10:49:16 <Arif_> knowing most N900 users know where to get apps I don't think it makes much of a difference
Mar 30 10:52:48 <DocScrutinizer> ovi store for n900 is a metoo for iphone-fanboys. Considering that's linux here, and there's a wiki and so on, store is largely useless
Mar 30 10:53:41 <tybollt> while I agree w/ you Doc, I find you're a bit grumpier than usual today :)
Mar 30 10:53:53 <Arif_> ofcourse its useless when its empty...
Mar 30 10:54:03 <DocScrutinizer> headache, and coffee not jet kicked in
Mar 30 10:54:10 <DocScrutinizer> sorry
Mar 30 10:54:20 <rmrfchik> DocScrutinizer: there is a couple of funny apps in OVI ;)
Mar 30 10:54:24 <nidO> well, having a working store is by far the best way for software developed by non-developer commercial organisations to push software for maemo, and they undoubtedly wont do so without one
Mar 30 10:54:31 <DocScrutinizer> yet
Mar 30 10:54:34 <DocScrutinizer> omg
Mar 30 10:54:37 <tybollt> omg
Mar 30 10:55:00 <lardman> hmm, I disagree though, having an app-store for all apps would be good, and my assumption was that Ovi store is there to allow non-free apps
Mar 30 10:55:02 <rmrfchik> and it's nice to have "what's new"
Mar 30 10:55:20 <Arif_> funny apps?
Mar 30 10:55:23 <MiXu-> getting ovi store working for maemo is essential for the future of the platform.
Mar 30 10:55:24 <Arif_> there's Angry Birds....
Mar 30 10:55:30 <rmrfchik> at least
Mar 30 10:55:36 <tybollt> no
Mar 30 10:55:41 <tybollt> having maemo repo'
Mar 30 10:55:49 <tybollt> s is _the_ strength of this device
Mar 30 10:56:00 <MiXu-> how do you get paid for an app that's in a repo?
Mar 30 10:56:19 <tybollt> I'd hate to have a situatiomn where everything developed wuld have to be approved by some snotty faced youngster at apple|nokia|intel|whathaveyou
Mar 30 10:56:19 <MiXu-> tybollt: Maybe from a tech (nerd) point of view.
Mar 30 10:56:20 <rmrfchik> when it get "what's new" function like in apttide and screenshots, it will be strength
Mar 30 10:56:28 <lardman> tybollt: I don;t care where it comes from, but the app-store like presentation is good imo
Mar 30 10:56:29 <MiXu-> tybollt: But don't get me wrong. I love it. :D
Mar 30 10:56:41 <MiXu-> But from money point of view repos are irrelevant.
Mar 30 10:57:01 <rmrfchik> repo solves different problem.
Mar 30 10:57:01 <tybollt> I don't want a hippie at apple|nokia|whatever to decidewhat I can and can't use software wise
Mar 30 10:57:04 <nidO> its the strength of it as far as actual developers developing foss is concerned, but commercial non-it related businesses that want to push out an app for one reason or another dont want to deal with all the "crap and complication" that comes with repos, when they can just submit it to nokia and get it shown in the store
Mar 30 10:57:11 <tybollt> that is for apple/ms phones
Mar 30 10:57:21 <MiXu-> tybollt: Oh, I'm not saying that _everything_ should be in ovi store.
Mar 30 10:57:31 <rmrfchik> agree
Mar 30 10:57:42 <MiXu-> I'm saying it's something that must be there for the platform to succeed.
Mar 30 10:57:44 <tybollt> this crap w/ apple denying users to use/publish their apps upsets me to no end.
Mar 30 10:57:48 <MiXu-> Repos can coexist.
Mar 30 10:58:00 <tybollt> mixu++
Mar 30 10:58:04 <tybollt> repos can indeed
Mar 30 10:58:15 <rmrfchik> apple denies other app sources, while ovi is one of app sourceses
Mar 30 10:58:24 <MiXu-> exactly
Mar 30 10:58:26 <hrw> basically what is needed is ONE tool which will handle browsing apps, installing/uninstalling, paying for apps and checking what is new.
Mar 30 10:58:28 <rmrfchik> that's a difference
Mar 30 10:58:52 <Arif_> stop assuming Ovi should be the _only_ option for apps! :P
Mar 30 10:58:59 <nidO> actually having only one tool on a platform like maemo would be a big fail
Mar 30 10:59:16 <MiXu-> having two tools (like now) is fine
Mar 30 10:59:20 <rmrfchik> i love apt/dpkg ;)
Mar 30 10:59:24 <nidO> ovi isnt remotely suitable for some purposes, and the repos arent suitable for others
Mar 30 10:59:24 * DocScrutinizer makes a smiley note in calendar, for Arif_ started a real productive discussion with his 'trolling'
Mar 30 10:59:26 <nidO> it needs both
Mar 30 11:00:21 <MiXu-> :)
Mar 30 11:00:49 <Arif_> aw :(
Mar 30 11:01:35 <MiXu-> Try harder next time.
Mar 30 11:01:41 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
Mar 30 11:06:07 <DocScrutinizer> MiXu-: for making money, there's exactly one option: sell an activation code. You can do this via ovistore (really?), or via your own website, and it doesn't matter if the download is via repo or via ovistore
Mar 30 11:06:41 <MiXu-> DocScrutinizer: Activation code is much harder than just click and install.
Mar 30 11:06:59 <MiXu-> And people are dumb, so things need to be easy. Apple has shown it.
Mar 30 11:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Mar 30 11:07:12 <MiXu-> But yes, it's possible like that. :)
Mar 30 11:07:51 <rmrfchik> people are dumb when you said so. in japan apple way is a fail way -- japanese loves complex devices.
Mar 30 11:08:07 <nidO> possible yes, convenient to the day-to-day user, not in the slightest
Mar 30 11:08:22 <DocScrutinizer> MiXu-: but then iPhone isn't exactly linux FOSS scene
Mar 30 11:08:32 <MiXu-> No it's not.
Mar 30 11:08:34 <RST38h> Design a device any idiot can use, and only idiots will.
Mar 30 11:08:45 <DocScrutinizer> that's the point
Mar 30 11:08:51 <rmrfchik> but western marketoids (kill'em all!) make think people are dumb and sell dumb devices
Mar 30 11:08:53 <tybollt> RST38h: =D that's the old mac joke reused right there :P
Mar 30 11:09:20 <MiXu-> But designing a device like this with only "linux scene" in mind is dumb.
Mar 30 11:09:23 <rmrfchik> hate this approach
Mar 30 11:09:25 <tybollt> rmrfchik: in soviet russia marketoid kills you
Mar 30 11:09:34 <RST38h> tybollt: Well, it has been reused in relation to Apple products, hasn't it?
Mar 30 11:09:34 <nidO> its not about "any idiot can use" its about "not being needlessly complex" - who wants to arse around with activation codes, then having to remember/write down the activation code / rely on the developer to re-issue one if you happen to wipe you device and need a reinstall
Mar 30 11:09:42 <tybollt> RST38h: yub :D
Mar 30 11:09:46 <nidO> rather than just login to your store account and redownload everything you paid for.
Mar 30 11:09:56 <tybollt> RST38h: don't get me wrong, I get the warm fuzzies every time I hear it :)
Mar 30 11:09:59 <rmrfchik> tybollt: in soviet russia marketoids....wait, marketoid in russia? lol, nonsence
Mar 30 11:10:07 <tybollt> rmrfchik: :D
Mar 30 11:10:19 <MiXu-> :D
Mar 30 11:10:41 * RST38h yawns
Mar 30 11:10:44 <Arif_> marketoıd ın Russia=goverment!
Mar 30 11:11:11 <rmrfchik> Arif_: there is no market in russia, so no marketoids
Mar 30 11:11:15 <RST38h> The "soviet russia" clause should be prohibited from being used in the discussion, same as the Hitler clause
Mar 30 11:11:43 <DocScrutinizer> see, on linux every idiot can install arbitrary .deb or .rpm. On iPone default is user can *not* do this, without 'jailbreaking' his device
Mar 30 11:11:48 <rmrfchik> in soviet russia RST38h  is prohibited!
Mar 30 11:12:32 <MaikB> hey guys.  I just sorted out how to use MADDE with cmake (via the $HOME symlink trick shown here).  At least for compiling and linking,  Are there rumors when an updated version of MADDE will arrive=
Mar 30 11:12:34 <MaikB> ?
Mar 30 11:12:43 <RST38h> DocS: Which makes most users jailbreak their devices
Mar 30 11:13:02 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: honestly, no
Mar 30 11:13:04 <Arif_> most of them do that to steal the games
Mar 30 11:13:15 <RST38h> DocS: Which in turn allows Steve Jobs lawyers to claim that most of their users are violaitng law
Mar 30 11:13:20 <MaikB> And asking for firmware v1.2 seems to get a meme, should I do it? :P
Mar 30 11:13:40 <RST38h> DocS: Which in turn allows the courts to incarcerate them
Mar 30 11:13:58 <RST38h> DocS: Which in turn lets other prisoners repeatedly rape poor iPhone users with a toilet plunger
Mar 30 11:14:06 <tybollt> RST38h: ehr no... soviet russia ! godwins... no way
Mar 30 11:14:06 <Arif_> MaikB, be different and claim you have it
Mar 30 11:14:11 <hrw> MaikB: november 2010
Mar 30 11:14:13 <RST38h> DocS: Which of course brings a lot of happiness into iPhone users lives
Mar 30 11:14:14 <MaikB> lol
Mar 30 11:14:19 <RST38h> Case closed.
Mar 30 11:14:20 <MaikB> Arif_: yeah!
Mar 30 11:14:39 <rmrfchik> and they just got copy/paste a couple days ago... dumb devices for dumb people
Mar 30 11:15:02 <Arif_> And mikrofost just _removed_ copy paste from their os :D
Mar 30 11:15:09 <MaikB> rmrfchik: hm, dump devices for non technical ppl, I'd say
Mar 30 11:15:11 <rmrfchik> MS plans not to implement copy/paster. It said, they don't want patent war
Mar 30 11:15:17 <DocScrutinizer> needs no jailbreak - buying iPhone is a crime in itself ;-P
Mar 30 11:15:26 <Arif_> copy, paste is patented now?
Mar 30 11:15:32 <MaikB> Apple?
Mar 30 11:15:49 <rmrfchik> MaikB: so why did they added this feature?
Mar 30 11:15:54 <tybollt> Arif_: are you still breathing? You owe darwin descendants a fortune in royalties
Mar 30 11:16:08 <Arif_> I'm poor
Mar 30 11:16:09 <Arif_> :D
Mar 30 11:16:10 <rmrfchik> Arif_: the way how is done on finger-oriented interface
Mar 30 11:16:42 <Arif_> we need a new patent system
Mar 30 11:16:47 <rmrfchik> MaikB: oh, after a year of living with iphone makes people smarter! and they start demanding c/p ;)
Mar 30 11:16:49 <Arif_> this one got too retarded
Mar 30 11:16:57 <MaikB> rmrfchik: because they realized even normal ppl want to copy and paste
Mar 30 11:17:07 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: ++
Mar 30 11:17:25 <MiXu-> Is it a fact that any proper app can now be put into ovi store, and it can be charged for?
Mar 30 11:17:28 <rmrfchik> killer feature! even MS can't do this! viva apple ;)
Mar 30 11:17:28 <MaikB> rmrfchik: oh boy, is Mr. Jobs right behind you?
Mar 30 11:17:35 <MiXu-> I couldn't find any news about it
Mar 30 11:17:51 * Arif_ patents 3D copy paste
Mar 30 11:17:53 <rmrfchik> MaikB: thanks. kicked him. bastard.
Mar 30 11:18:24 <nidO> MiXu- - not sure about the charging, but ovi publishing does now allow maemo apps to all publishers
Mar 30 11:18:26 <MaikB> :P
Mar 30 11:18:41 * DocScrutinizer patents Arif_
Mar 30 11:18:56 <MiXu-> great
Mar 30 11:19:28 <MiXu-> N900 needs a tabulator key. :)
Mar 30 11:19:43 <Arif_> lets start with a DPad :(
Mar 30 11:20:06 <Arendtsen> is there anyway to tell the N900 which connection it has to use when not in coverage of wifi?
Mar 30 11:20:15 <rmrfchik> at first it need Fullscreen key and couple of universlal keys. say enter/escape
Mar 30 11:20:34 <MiXu-> well enter is there, so the rest is just software
Mar 30 11:20:53 <Arif_> some hardware music keys would be nice too
Mar 30 11:21:10 <rmrfchik> MiXu-: no enter when case is closed
Mar 30 11:21:36 <rmrfchik> on n810 I used to use home/escape keys among with fullscreen
Mar 30 11:21:58 <MiXu-> I've never had those so I don't miss them
Mar 30 11:22:27 <rmrfchik> try to nagivate to desktop from canola
Mar 30 11:22:59 <Arif_> they forgot the top left button in canola
Mar 30 11:23:20 <MiXu-> Well that's their problem :)
Mar 30 11:23:23 <rmrfchik> and try to nagivate from bookmark in fbreader
Mar 30 11:23:46 <Arif_> canola has the worst UI ever anyway
Mar 30 11:23:46 <rmrfchik> you _have_to_ switch off fullscreen to get access to toolbar and click Back
Mar 30 11:23:47 <MiXu-> ctrl + backspace brings up the app switcher
Mar 30 11:24:05 <rmrfchik> it's wrong use case
Mar 30 11:25:24 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: ack
Mar 30 11:25:39 <rmrfchik> i like canola...at least on n810.
Mar 30 11:25:54 <hrw> rmrfchik: canola is usable only on n8x0
Mar 30 11:26:05 <DocScrutinizer> and finally I found it's not any better usability wise than mediaplayer
Mar 30 11:26:13 <hrw> on 770 it lags due to dbus problems, on n900 it does not index MyDocs
Mar 30 11:26:30 <Arif_> hrw, oh so I'm not the only one with that problem
Mar 30 11:26:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart indexing
Mar 30 11:26:33 * infobot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at indexing
Mar 30 11:27:02 <Arif_> I tried playing interent streams in it but couldn't even add an url :(
Mar 30 11:27:05 <DocScrutinizer> I mean wtf?? I know where my media files are
Mar 30 11:27:09 <hrw> Arif_: canola in maemo5 extras is result of mistake made by maemo admins which just rebuilt all from diablo for fremantle
Mar 30 11:27:42 <Arif_> DocScrutinizer, its handy having music indexed by artist/album though
Mar 30 11:28:09 <DocScrutinizer> okok, but *MANUALLY* triggered indexing PLEASE
Mar 30 11:28:15 <MohammadAG> hrw I'm assuming it's the same for the usbcontrol app
Mar 30 11:28:19 <hrw> Arif_: it is also handy to have music indexed properly which so far n900 fails
Mar 30 11:28:22 <hrw> MohammadAG: yes
Mar 30 11:28:27 <DocScrutinizer> on an arbitrary subtree of fs
Mar 30 11:28:42 <Arif_> I'd prefer if it only looks in one folder and renews whenever _I_ tell it to
Mar 30 11:28:53 <hrw> Arif_: I have too many 'unknown album/unknown artist' files
Mar 30 11:29:00 <MohammadAG> hrw they can be removed though, right?
Mar 30 11:29:04 <Arif_> hrw, the tags are borked?
Mar 30 11:29:12 <rmrfchik> canola allows to browse directories
Mar 30 11:29:28 <hrw> MohammadAG: in theory
Mar 30 11:29:41 <hrw> Arif_: rather files are !mp3 !aac
Mar 30 11:29:57 <MohammadAG> hrw and in practice?
Mar 30 11:29:59 <Arif_> only tag problems I had were with flacs
Mar 30 11:30:05 <DocScrutinizer> this freaking indexing by a daemon is 10.000 times worse than the usual "we know what you want" attitude of redmond crap
Mar 30 11:30:06 <Arif_> =}
Mar 30 11:30:26 <tybollt> DocScrutinizer: tlaking about slowdown due to index daemon?
Mar 30 11:30:58 <DocScrutinizer> it's a clusterfuck in just every aspect of the shitty idea
Mar 30 11:33:00 <DocScrutinizer> I got a directory tree for a good reason - not for a gashead indexer to hide all that structure away from me, and show me the IRemocon buttons together with my snapshots
Mar 30 11:35:03 <DocScrutinizer> simple case: let's assume I got MyDocs/Music/mp3 and MyDocs/music/flac. No what the hell a mess will idexer create out of this, if there are doublettes?
Mar 30 11:35:23 <DocScrutinizer> s/No/Now
Mar 30 11:35:33 <Arif_> you see a song twice
Mar 30 11:35:49 <Arif_> and have no idea which is flac/mp3 without listening :D
Mar 30 11:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> and will have no idea whatsoever which is the mp3 and which is the flac
Mar 30 11:36:11 <DocScrutinizer> bingo
Mar 30 11:36:16 <nidO> i've always been with you on this one, I despise every media player that thinks it knows better than me and wants to "sort" all my media as it thinks I should see it rather than just keeping it in a folder structure
Mar 30 11:37:28 <Arif_> I miss the podcast serperation from Symbian...
Mar 30 11:37:31 <DocScrutinizer> now add to this the inability in mediaplayer to *force* it to a particular media *file*
Mar 30 11:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> which seems to apply to canola as well
Mar 30 11:38:07 <hrw> MohammadAG: no ida
Mar 30 11:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> rmrfchik: duh. See this now. how?
Mar 30 11:39:29 <DocScrutinizer> rmrfchik: (<rmrfchik> canola allows to browse directories)
Mar 30 11:40:39 <tybollt> isn't canola a type of patry (other than this N900 app)?
Mar 30 11:40:44 <tybollt> pastry
Mar 30 11:40:45 * DocScrutinizer neeeeeeeds a second N900
Mar 30 11:40:47 <Arif_> there's a browse by folder option in canola
Mar 30 11:41:14 <Arif_> but it doesn't index any of the files on 32GB memory...
Mar 30 11:41:45 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: ohh, so it sorts the indexed files by folder?
Mar 30 11:42:08 <Arif_> If I had a microSD I could tell you ={
Mar 30 11:42:13 <DocScrutinizer> instead of simply opening a fileselector widget?
Mar 30 11:42:45 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: nah, you can answer this question by mere observation
Mar 30 11:43:34 <Arif_> I have "audio clips" and "memory card"
Mar 30 11:43:47 <Arif_> oh wait, I have a 2G card in my DS
Mar 30 11:43:55 * Arif_ goes digs around
Mar 30 11:44:15 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: hmm, rename or copy one media file. then immediately after this copy, try to playback the new file in canola
Mar 30 11:45:07 <DocScrutinizer> this will tell if canola used prebuilt index or actually accesses the directory tree in fs
Mar 30 11:46:38 * Arif_ copies around some files
Mar 30 11:46:47 <DocScrutinizer> I'd be willing to give canola a second chance (maybe anothe 10 minutes) if it actually could work without a friggin background indexer, by simply opening files by FQN
Mar 30 11:47:11 <RST38h> DocS: Opening files is no longer fashionable
Mar 30 11:47:22 <DocScrutinizer> gaaaaaah
Mar 30 11:47:23 <RST38h> DocS: All the real geeks run tracker nowadays!
Mar 30 11:47:36 <DocScrutinizer> I take pride in not being fashionable
Mar 30 11:47:36 * mgedmin haaaates tracker, sorta
Mar 30 11:47:38 <RST38h> Tracker is soooooo nice! It uses a database! It uses a daemon!
Mar 30 11:47:47 <mgedmin> it uses many fancy words like ontology
Mar 30 11:48:02 <mgedmin> and it has never-seen-before query languages
Mar 30 11:48:05 <RST38h> It uses specially muta^H^H^Hevolved version of SQL to query stuff!
Mar 30 11:48:14 <tybollt> awesome
Mar 30 11:48:20 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: and I'm not exactly a geek, I'm a digital pioneer dinosaur
Mar 30 11:48:25 <tybollt> so now I have to know SQL to be able to play a song?
Mar 30 11:48:26 <RST38h> It is object oriented and ontological and all kinds of nice things that occur in PhD dissertations
Mar 30 11:48:34 <Arif_> oh wow
Mar 30 11:48:59 <Arif_> the card is kinda borked ;(
Mar 30 11:49:17 <RST38h> (of course it is slow like hedgehog on mushrooms, eats resources, and does not do a very good job on indexing, but it is PROGRESS PEOPLE!)
Mar 30 11:50:26 <tybollt> I like that RST38h progress over usability - right?
Mar 30 11:51:27 * DocScrutinizer founds indexer haters party, and votes for a second elections turn on council :-P
Mar 30 11:51:27 <Arif_> DocScrutinizer, it indexes :P
Mar 30 11:52:08 <Arif_> and takes even longer than tracker
Mar 30 11:52:13 <DocScrutinizer> morins, idiots, err <missing the words...>
Mar 30 11:52:35 <RST38h> usability is seriously outdated
Mar 30 11:53:05 <tybollt> DocScrutinizer for prez!11111
Mar 30 11:53:17 <RST38h> besides, you cannot trust users name files with meaningful names
Mar 30 11:53:35 <RST38h> so, you cannot expect them to find their files, without tracker that is!
Mar 30 11:53:46 * Arif_ found an old 1GB microSD from a Nokia 6720 too
Mar 30 11:53:59 <Scelt> Arif_: when pr1.2 comes out?
Mar 30 11:54:09 <Arif_> Scelt, what?
Mar 30 11:54:09 <Arif_> :p
Mar 30 11:54:13 <Scelt> yeah
Mar 30 11:54:21 <Scelt> you are so active, you might know
Mar 30 11:54:21 <Arif_> PR1.2 is a myth
Mar 30 11:54:21 <Anss|> sparql is also pretty nice language that comes with tracker.
Mar 30 11:54:27 <lardman> and what are the lottery numbers for this weekend while you're predicting the future?
Mar 30 11:54:46 <DocScrutinizer> ~ Scelt --
Mar 30 11:54:56 <Scelt> ~ DocScrutinizer --
Mar 30 11:55:16 <DocScrutinizer> spargel?
Mar 30 11:55:19 <Khertan> Scelt: First June 2011
Mar 30 11:55:40 <Anss|> nice sparql tutorial: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2009/07/14/introduction-to-rdf-and-sparql
Mar 30 11:55:41 <Scelt> Khertan: Are there more than one June?
Mar 30 11:55:43 <Khertan> lardman: 15 - 6 - 45 - 42 -8 -33
Mar 30 11:55:55 <pvanhoof> Anss|, np
Mar 30 11:55:58 <lardman> thanks Khertan ;)
Mar 30 11:56:02 <DocScrutinizer> asparagus indexerensus
Mar 30 11:56:07 <Scelt> DocScrutinizer: legraps?
Mar 30 11:56:23 <Khertan> lardman: now the question is ... which lottery is it :)
Mar 30 11:56:29 <jaska> grl apes
Mar 30 11:56:31 <pvanhoof> Anss|,   http://blog.floopily.org/2010/03/01/rdf-beginners-guide-and-competition/
Mar 30 11:58:41 <Anss|> pvanhoof, thanks. looks very good!
Mar 30 11:59:00 <pvanhoof> enjoy
Mar 30 11:59:15 <pvanhoof> Anss|, that blog post is by robtaylor (also on this chan)
Mar 30 11:59:40 <thenktor> hi
Mar 30 12:00:28 <thenktor> does the new meamo PR 1.2 support ogg vorbis playback out of the box on the n900?
Mar 30 12:00:41 <Stskeeps> doubt it
Mar 30 12:00:47 <Stskeeps> you can install easily though
Mar 30 12:01:05 <DocScrutinizer> ""the prize is a Google Nexus One"" muhahahaha
Mar 30 12:01:08 <thenktor> just some vorbis codec or a new media player?
Mar 30 12:01:32 <Stskeeps> codec
Mar 30 12:02:00 <DocScrutinizer> probably the winner of the "coolest indexer usecase" contest deserves this prize
Mar 30 12:02:04 <Arif_> what stops you from installing ogg support
Mar 30 12:02:05 <thenktor> and will this make use of the DSP or will it be decoded by the CPU then?
Mar 30 12:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> thenktor: that's a good question
Mar 30 12:04:53 <thenktor> :)
Mar 30 12:05:13 <Stskeeps> thenktor: noone developed sane dsp vorbis yet i think
Mar 30 12:05:24 <DocScrutinizer> if my device wasn't laying on my desk, in pieces, I'd try to find out using playback of a .ogg and scrutinizing powertop
Mar 30 12:05:26 <Arif_> http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/
Mar 30 12:05:27 <Arif_> ?
Mar 30 12:06:03 <RST38h> Anss: I do not want a nice language that comes with the tracker. I want the tracker to stop wasting system resources.
Mar 30 12:06:17 <RST38h> Anss: And I also want to be able to select a bunch of files to play in audio player
Mar 30 12:06:20 <thenktor> thanks Arif_, reading that
Mar 30 12:06:38 <RST38h> Anss: Absolutely no (as in 0) interest in whatever information tracker collects
Mar 30 12:08:12 <derf> What RST38h said.
Mar 30 12:08:33 <madduck> can i obex-send vcards to the n900? none of the bluetooth channels seem to work. :(
Mar 30 12:11:10 <Arif_> hmm
Mar 30 12:11:15 <Arif_> Android did what Maemo should do
Mar 30 12:11:29 <Arif_> making parts of the OS downloadable \o/
Mar 30 12:11:30 <MiXu-> with what?
Mar 30 12:11:36 <MiXu-> k
Mar 30 12:18:48 <thenktor> another question: how do i sync my contacts from a linux pc to the n900 and vice versa?
Mar 30 12:19:09 <MiXu-> syncml <3
Mar 30 12:19:16 <madduck> MiXu-: how?
Mar 30 12:19:21 <MiXu-> There's syncevolution in extras-testing
Mar 30 12:19:30 <madduck> oh, but that requires evolution, right?
Mar 30 12:19:39 <madduck> i might just as well use outlook then. ;)
Mar 30 12:19:51 <thenktor> is it possible to sync with kontact or clawas-mail
Mar 30 12:19:52 <MiXu-> Yes. You can use outlook as well.
Mar 30 12:20:03 <madduck> i want to sync with a directory of vcards
Mar 30 12:20:07 <Arif_> outlook on linux?
Mar 30 12:20:10 <MiXu-> I don't know about the linux side.
Mar 30 12:20:38 <MiXu-> I use funambol server
Mar 30 12:20:54 <MiXu-> But surely there's syncml software for linux
Mar 30 12:21:10 <thenktor> i'm reading about OpenSync
Mar 30 12:22:54 <gouverneur> thenktor: syncml and multisync should do the job
Mar 30 12:23:05 <Arif_> oo
Mar 30 12:23:08 <Arif_> a new iPhone
Mar 30 12:23:09 <thenktor> wikipedia: Generally, devices supporting SyncML 1.1  or 1.2 over Bluetooth, USB,  or IP-protocol are supported. Nokia 770, N800, and N810 Internet Tablets using GPE suite are  supported.
Mar 30 12:23:10 <gouverneur> thenktor: I just save a backup of my contacts
Mar 30 12:23:58 <thenktor> export and import vCards?
Mar 30 12:24:03 <gouverneur> so no real syncing
Mar 30 12:24:13 <gouverneur> just export
Mar 30 12:24:25 <hrw> thenktor: "using GPE suite" is major thing
Mar 30 12:26:14 <thenktor> hrw: you mean like major = complicated?
Mar 30 12:29:51 <hrw> thenktor: gpe never used data from maemo pim (contacts on 770/n8x0, contacts+calendar on n900)
Mar 30 12:30:15 <hrw> thenktor: so syncing to GPE does not give you data in native maemo apps
Mar 30 12:30:26 <thenktor> ok, understand
Mar 30 12:30:36 <madduck> unless you use opensync between them
Mar 30 12:32:06 <gouverneur> thenktor: looked at funambol yet?
Mar 30 12:32:20 <madduck> funambol server is a whorepile of code
Mar 30 12:32:29 <madduck> and it's non-free, isn't it?
Mar 30 12:32:45 <RichardP> is the browser on the N900 HTML5 compliant?
Mar 30 12:33:10 <thenktor> gouverneur: not yet.. just want to collect some information. don't have a smartphone yet
Mar 30 12:33:43 <thenktor> and i don't know yet if i should go for motorola milestone or nokia n900 :-D
Mar 30 12:33:44 <gouverneur> madduck: GNU Affero General Public License v3 (AGPLv3)
Mar 30 12:34:19 <jaska> i was looking at a milestone too.. but seems that its more closed than its us counterpart "droid"
Mar 30 12:34:28 <gouverneur> thenktor: are you aware of the still worse firmware support of motorola?
Mar 30 12:34:35 <DocScrutinizer> tekojo:
Mar 30 12:34:38 <jaska> signed-only firmware so its a no-go
Mar 30 12:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> gah
Mar 30 12:34:39 <thenktor> yes :)
Mar 30 12:35:05 <tekojo> DocScrutinizer?
Mar 30 12:35:10 <madduck> okay, but it's java and comes as a GIGANTIC .bin file
Mar 30 12:35:14 <raster> yay! signed firmware!
Mar 30 12:35:17 <madduck> i don't consider that maintainable
Mar 30 12:35:19 <gouverneur> madduck: true
Mar 30 12:35:19 * jaska sticks with his oddball winmo phone + n810 combo :)
Mar 30 12:35:26 <raster> keep all those pesky open source hackers out
Mar 30 12:35:27 <DocScrutinizer> thenktor: milestone is *closed* afaik. crypted bootloader only loading signed kernels, so it's locked like iPhone
Mar 30 12:35:28 <raster> :)
Mar 30 12:35:44 <DocScrutinizer> tekojo: sorry
Mar 30 12:35:50 <madduck> heck, i am failing just to send a contact to or from the n900
Mar 30 12:36:27 <thenktor> but i don't want an open phone on all costs, i want a good usable one, which means: i need some features working
Mar 30 12:36:45 <gouverneur> madduck: thats why I sync with outlook at office, not to use it just for backup, and gets rsynced to my homecomputer too
Mar 30 12:37:46 <madduck> gouverneur: outlook is definitely not an option
Mar 30 12:38:08 <thenktor> i have no windows, so no outlook...
Mar 30 12:38:58 <Arif_> you could whine about Google sync being fixed and use that
Mar 30 12:39:17 <gouverneur> madduck: happend to me, none of my sony-e exported contacts would get recognized valid, not uploaded not send via BT nothing
Mar 30 12:40:02 <gouverneur> Arif_: the day will come I have to do that but as long as I am not forced I wont give google my PIM
Mar 30 12:40:14 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.memotoo.com/wiki/Sync_Maemo_5_/_Nokia_N900
Mar 30 12:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> http://osdir.com/ml/kde-pim/2010-02/msg00051.html
Mar 30 12:41:09 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/59099
Mar 30 12:41:44 <madduck> gouverneur: and how does one fix it? ;)
Mar 30 12:41:48 <gouverneur> madduck: I left the windows which was shipped with my netbook on the device, and synced with the windows addressbook
Mar 30 12:42:39 <gouverneur> madduck: so sony -> win-Abook -> copy&paste ->PCsuite
Mar 30 12:42:50 <gouverneur> I just wanted the damn contacts moved
Mar 30 12:43:09 <Arif_> I took all PIM over from my N95
Mar 30 12:44:11 <gouverneur> I am still angry at nokia not serving a proper suite for linux, open source of course
Mar 30 12:44:28 <DocScrutinizer> gouverneur: ack
Mar 30 12:44:39 <Arif_> for linux AND open source?
Mar 30 12:44:45 <gouverneur> and leaving out any sync options apart of pcsuite isnt nice at all
Mar 30 12:44:46 <Arif_> you can wait a long time for that ;)
Mar 30 12:45:00 <gouverneur> Arif_: YES
Mar 30 12:45:10 <SpeedEvil> grsync - what more do you want?
Mar 30 12:45:13 <Arif_> PC suite doesn't work properly for the N900 anyway
Mar 30 12:45:14 <SpeedEvil> :)
Mar 30 12:45:18 <Arif_> you're not missing much :>
Mar 30 12:45:43 <gouverneur> well I does not have to be open from core but all interfaces should be documented and there to be used
Mar 30 12:46:43 <gouverneur> a proper cli to interface the damn stuff?
Mar 30 12:46:59 <gouverneur> s/I/it/
Mar 30 12:47:25 <Shapeshifter> why not open source
Mar 30 12:47:41 <DocScrutinizer> seems for Kontact "syncing" to /.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf is the easiest way to implement something semi-working. Possibly via a script
Mar 30 12:51:53 <Arkenklo> sorry for being a lazy fuck who caren't to do proper research, but has there been any legit and official information on wether or not the n900 will get meego?
Mar 30 12:52:06 <Arkenklo> as in, company announcements or similar
Mar 30 12:52:23 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Mar 30 12:52:50 <Arkenklo> huh
Mar 30 12:53:06 <Arkenklo> well, thank you
Mar 30 12:54:37 <DocScrutinizer> there've been statements (semi-official iirc) regarding N900 being the reference platform for meego implementation. Thi doesn't mean there'll ever ship a consumer grade meego for N900 from Nokia
Mar 30 12:55:06 <auenf> doesnt confirm or deny consumer grade meego for n900
Mar 30 12:55:17 <Arkenklo> I understand
Mar 30 12:55:24 <DocScrutinizer> that's what I meant, yeah
Mar 30 12:56:08 <auenf> if nokia doesnt provide it, the community is almost guaranteed to give it a red hot go
Mar 30 12:56:15 <Arkenklo> so meego at a dev level is pretty likely then
Mar 30 12:56:29 <DocScrutinizer> you bet
Mar 30 12:58:37 <auenf> try to use early versions of mer on a n8x0, thats probably what meego is going to be like ;)
Mar 30 12:58:49 * C-S-B-N900 is sat in a car waiting for his gf to finish her interview.
Mar 30 12:59:02 <gouverneur> auenf: not that bad... *sigh*
Mar 30 12:59:25 <auenf> maybe you're thinking far too early mer then ;)
Mar 30 12:59:56 <gouverneur> Arkenklo: N900 is nokia's meego-development-reference 1.0
Mar 30 13:00:31 <gouverneur> doesn't give any clue about if there will be any UX be implemented
Mar 30 13:00:32 <Arkenklo> I've got the impression that meego with be basically maemo 5 but compatible with what ever it is intel is doing
Mar 30 13:02:18 <nidO> Arkenklo I think a more accurate likeness is moblin but with arm and qt support
Mar 30 13:02:30 <gouverneur> nidO: true
Mar 30 13:03:27 <gouverneur> the harmattan will be a maemo6-meego afaik but that will be the last with apt-get install $world
Mar 30 13:19:56 <Ikarus> hey, setting up the Maemo devkit for Debian following the instructions on http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation fails for armel with some packages their post-install running into: 'mmap: Operation not permitted'
Mar 30 13:20:05 <Ikarus> now iirc this is a qemu issue
Mar 30 13:20:10 <Ikarus> however, I don't remember the fix
Mar 30 13:23:16 <Ikarus> hrm, and some guy named jafd had exactly the same issue 2 months ago +/-
Mar 30 13:24:50 <joker_891> hi
Mar 30 13:24:57 <joker_891> anyone knows how works a syncrhoniation?
Mar 30 13:25:49 * Arif_ smirks
Mar 30 13:26:20 <Ikarus> ah, doh
Mar 30 13:26:20 <Ikarus> vm.mmap_min_addr=0
Mar 30 13:27:24 <marcus__> Getting my n900 tomorrow (hopefully) what would you suggest I do first? Update firmware imediatly?
Mar 30 13:27:33 <Stskeeps> right
Mar 30 13:27:33 <andre__> yes.
Mar 30 13:27:59 <marcus__> Goodie.
Mar 30 13:28:14 <marcus__> Does it require a 12h charge like some other phones?
Mar 30 13:28:23 <lcuk> marcus__, i suggest taking it out of the box first
Mar 30 13:28:33 <marcus__> lcuk: Doesn't that require some nifty tools?
Mar 30 13:28:38 <hrw> and put battery inside too
Mar 30 13:28:39 <Arif_> yes
Mar 30 13:28:41 <Arif_> hands!
Mar 30 13:28:47 <lcuk> yes marcus__ you need root
Mar 30 13:29:05 <marcus__> :p
Mar 30 13:29:07 <lardman> marcus__: it will come partly charged, but best to charge it too, though 12h sounds rather long to me
Mar 30 13:29:30 <SpeedEvil> 2h is plenty
Mar 30 13:29:31 <marcus__> lardman: Can't remember if my w810i was recommended to have a 12h charge the first time or something like that.
Mar 30 13:29:33 <Arif_> marcus__, 1998 called. they want their batteries back :(
Mar 30 13:29:42 <SpeedEvil> (wall charger)
Mar 30 13:29:52 <lardman> marcus__: yeah they all do that, but li-ions come part charged anyway
Mar 30 13:29:53 <marcus__> SpeedEvil: Some phones recommend a long charge for first one
Mar 30 13:30:02 <marcus__> lardman: Ah nice, goodie (:
Mar 30 13:30:33 <SpeedEvil> many manuals copy from another manujal.
Mar 30 13:30:43 <SpeedEvil> with no input from ee.
Mar 30 13:31:04 <lardman> marcus__: just plug in the wall charger while you fiddle with it, then you'll probably be good for the rest of the day
Mar 30 13:31:22 * marcus__ giggles by the "
Mar 30 13:31:22 <marcus__>     Thats like saying why be with a fit blonde lady when you can have any old hag cause it works just as good" comment on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=586585
Mar 30 13:31:28 <marcus__> oups
Mar 30 13:31:29 <marcus__> :p
Mar 30 13:31:30 <marcus__> fail
Mar 30 13:31:34 <SpeedEvil> the most lolworthy bit in a manual was the recent ibm thinkpad manual.
Mar 30 13:31:42 <marcus__> lardman: Good. Can't wait to boot it up ._.
Mar 30 13:31:59 <Arif_> what did it say?
Mar 30 13:32:11 * marcus__ loves his ThinkPad R61
Mar 30 13:32:24 <SpeedEvil> It cautioned against lifting heavy items, ties getting caught in machinery, and the dangers of rotary converters.
Mar 30 13:32:38 <Arif_> lol
Mar 30 13:33:10 <Arif_> did they copy from a 1980 computer or something?
Mar 30 13:33:23 <marcus__> "Do not eat toner." -- On a toner cartridge for a laser printer.
Mar 30 13:33:34 <marcus__> Rofl
Mar 30 13:33:34 <marcus__> "May irritate eyes." -- On a can of self-defense pepper spray.
Mar 30 13:33:36 <jaska> :D
Mar 30 13:33:53 <Arif_> "don't hold upside down" was written on the bottom of a soda can...
Mar 30 13:33:57 <DocScrutinizer> long charge on first use was for another type of cells
Mar 30 13:34:18 <marcus__> DocScrutinizer: So no need for it on the n900? (:
Mar 30 13:34:32 <Arif_> when was the last time you saw a NiMH battery in a phone?
Mar 30 13:34:34 <Arif_> :o
Mar 30 13:34:35 <DocScrutinizer> marcus__: exactly
Mar 30 13:34:42 * mgedmin bought two back in 2000
Mar 30 13:34:57 <Arif_> did you charge them for 12 hours?
Mar 30 13:35:15 <marcus__> Arif_: me, or? :P
Mar 30 13:35:22 <Arif_> mgedmin :>
Mar 30 13:35:33 <mgedmin> they were on sale
Mar 30 13:35:39 <mgedmin> 1200 mAh
Mar 30 13:35:58 <mgedmin> for 10 DKK
Mar 30 13:36:40 <Arif_> wow
Mar 30 13:36:42 <DocScrutinizer> marcus__: I suggest you insert battery, hook up wallcharger, and start playing with your new shiny device. This will take an hor or two, and then you're safe even for complete new flash, though you probably don't need to, to get newest OS version
Mar 30 13:36:44 <Arif_> 1.30 eur
Mar 30 13:36:44 <Arif_> :D
Mar 30 13:37:19 <marcus__> DocScrutinizer: You think the newest is preinstalled? o.o
Mar 30 13:37:21 <mgedmin> heh, I saw the cashier ringing them in: 630 DKK with a 610 DKK discount ;)
Mar 30 13:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> marcus__: I think it will upgrade via usual application manager install
Mar 30 13:37:55 <lardman> bbl
Mar 30 13:38:03 <marcus__> DocScrutinizer: Okay (:
Mar 30 13:38:37 <marcus__> "Please keep out of children." -- On a butcher knife.
Mar 30 13:38:50 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Mar 30 13:38:53 <marcus__> :P
Mar 30 13:39:08 <Arif_> "do not use to heat animals"...
Mar 30 13:39:33 <Arif_> who puts an animal in a microwave anyway?
Mar 30 13:39:35 <TomaszD> there's a lawsuit behind each and every of these
Mar 30 13:39:42 <marcus__> aye.
Mar 30 13:40:04 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: wtf? I like my steak medium
Mar 30 13:40:16 <TomaszD> might have been an urban legend, but there was a lady who put her wet cat in the microwave
Mar 30 13:40:28 <Arif_> microwaves ruin whateer you put into them anyway ;(
Mar 30 13:40:42 <TomaszD> the cat got thoroughly ruined, yes
Mar 30 13:40:48 <Arif_> :P
Mar 30 13:41:02 <DocScrutinizer> my coffee water isn't ruined
Mar 30 13:41:03 <marcus__> TomaszD: Heard the exact same thing once.
Mar 30 13:41:24 <TomaszD> I can't be bothered to check the authenticity, probably on snopes.com
Mar 30 13:41:29 <DocScrutinizer> but last week it jumped out of the glas ;-P
Mar 30 13:41:54 <Arif_> have you tried putting an egg into that water and then heating it up? :p
Mar 30 13:41:58 <marcus__> "Beware! To touch these wires is instant death. Anyone found doing so will be prosecuted." -- On a sign at a railroad station.
Mar 30 13:42:05 <marcus__> ._.
Mar 30 13:42:17 <Arif_> lol
Mar 30 13:42:17 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: nope. plain water in a glas
Mar 30 13:42:30 <FIQ> prosecuted?
Mar 30 13:42:39 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: missing the teaspoon. Delayed boiling
Mar 30 13:42:45 <mgedmin> I saw a version with a "$100 fine."
Mar 30 13:43:09 <Arif_> I saw a sign once that said "do no urinate against the electric fence" :P
Mar 30 13:43:27 <marcus__> must've been wise men who wrote that
Mar 30 13:43:28 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: fuff and half the water was equaly spreaded all over the inside of my microwave
Mar 30 13:43:28 <marcus__> (:
Mar 30 13:43:39 <Arif_> heh
Mar 30 13:43:47 <Arif_> I once forgot an egg
Mar 30 13:43:52 <Arif_> the micorwave didn't like that...
Mar 30 13:44:17 <DocScrutinizer> the microwave didn't care, but the egg didn't like that I guess
Mar 30 13:44:30 <marcus__> "Warning! This is not underwear! Do not attempt to put in pants." -- On the packaging for a wristwatch.
Mar 30 13:44:33 <marcus__> wise words.
Mar 30 13:44:40 <Arif_> ...
Mar 30 13:44:44 <Arif_> what?
Mar 30 13:44:50 <marcus__> dunno o.o
Mar 30 13:45:00 <marcus__> where is the lawsuit behind that? :p
Mar 30 13:45:13 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt I like to know
Mar 30 13:45:28 <lcuk> i like the clothes with labels that say stuff like "wash at 40deg with light cottons only, or hand to your mum"
Mar 30 13:45:51 <hrw> nice ;D
Mar 30 13:45:58 <marcus__> i usually do option 2.
Mar 30 13:46:18 <Arif_> "Do not use if you cannot see clearly to read the information in the information booklet."
Mar 30 13:46:23 <Arif_> =D
Mar 30 13:46:29 * SpeedEvil washes _everything_ at 40c
Mar 30 13:46:30 <marcus__> BTW, what case can you recommend for a n900?
Mar 30 13:46:47 <Arif_> get one the N900 fits it
Mar 30 13:46:50 <lcuk> http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2008-01/washing-instruction-lable-give-to-mom.jpg
Mar 30 13:46:51 <Arif_> preferably with no magnet
Mar 30 13:46:51 * DocScrutinizer too
Mar 30 13:47:11 <marcus__> "IT'S HER JOB"
Mar 30 13:47:36 <MiXu-> marcus: I use pockets. :)
Mar 30 13:47:37 <nidO> magnets are fine as long as they arent in the bottom right corner as you look at the device in landscape
Mar 30 13:47:42 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: actually my magnets in pouch didn't do any bad yet
Mar 30 13:47:46 <nidO> what sort of case are you after, leather?
Mar 30 13:48:08 <MiXu-> nidO: What's in the bottom right corner then?
Mar 30 13:48:08 <marcus__> nid0: Uhm, probably the most protective one. not one I only use for carrying, but for use.
Mar 30 13:48:28 <marcus__> if that is even possible.
Mar 30 13:48:33 <nidO> MiXu-: the sensor for the keyboard slider, which is magnetic
Mar 30 13:48:34 * marcus__ remembers the n900 keyboard
Mar 30 13:48:47 <MiXu-> nidO: Oh, ok.
Mar 30 13:48:58 <MiXu-> Actually the back cover sensor is also magnetic
Mar 30 13:49:00 <nidO> marcus__ there are cases that allow you to slide open the device and use it while in the case, i've found em all to be a bit lame though
Mar 30 13:49:10 <nidO> it is, but it's the keyboard slider that gets triggered
Mar 30 13:49:18 <nidO> we tested this properly a week or two ago
Mar 30 13:49:18 <marcus__> nid0: So you're only using one for carrying?
Mar 30 13:49:24 <nidO> yep
Mar 30 13:49:25 <Arkenklo> the camera-lid-thingy isn't magnetic
Mar 30 13:49:38 <MiXu-> I only have a protective film on the display. I find that sufficient.
Mar 30 13:49:42 <marcus__> nid0: What are you recommending then? (:
Mar 30 13:49:46 <nidO> I have a http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280476080517 - bought it originally just to have temporarily until I could get an easecase made and shipped
Mar 30 13:50:03 <marcus__> Aha
Mar 30 13:50:05 <nidO> but when it arrived it turned out to be really excellent quality, despite the tiny price, so ended up sticking with it
Mar 30 13:50:08 <ech0Asus> i dont understand why they made a camera button and a camera lid because when u slide the lid open it launches the camera and that is a required step to take a picture or record video with it....
Mar 30 13:50:45 <lcuk> cos it would be pretty annoying to have to slide the cover every time you wanted to take a pic
Mar 30 13:51:02 <mgedmin> lcuk, do you mean that you take pictures with the cover closed?
Mar 30 13:51:09 <ech0Asus> i guess so u dont touch the screen when taking a picture....
Mar 30 13:51:15 <MiXu-> nope
Mar 30 13:51:27 <lcuk> mgedmin, sure, why not :D
Mar 30 13:51:33 <MiXu-> more convenient to use the device like a regular camera
Mar 30 13:51:34 <lcuk> it wouldnt be the first time
Mar 30 13:52:08 <marcus__> BTW: What do you get in the n900 box?
Mar 30 13:52:09 <DocScrutinizer> marcus__: I got me 2 identical pouches with belt latch, at next import/export all-kinds-of-shit turkish shop
Mar 30 13:52:09 <MiXu-> That reminds me. I took one picture of the eiffel tower when I was in Paris. And the camera carrying string is in the way :D
Mar 30 13:52:11 <marcus__> What hardware etc
Mar 30 13:52:25 <DocScrutinizer> 5EUR each
Mar 30 13:52:25 <ech0Asus> at least it has multiple purposes now that i've installed that app that allows me to use it's gentle touch for the alt tab thing..
Mar 30 13:52:33 <SpeedEvil> you can open the shutter at any time, and the camera ui statrts
Mar 30 13:52:34 <nidO> n900, battery, cleaning cloth, wall charger, adaptor for older chargers, data cable
Mar 30 13:52:51 <marcus__> DocScrutinizer: Heh, ok :P Kinda hard to find any providers in denmark. Guess I havent searched enough yet.
Mar 30 13:52:56 <marcus__> nid0: What about the AV cable?
Mar 30 13:52:59 <SpeedEvil> and the shutter stops fingerprints or scatches
Mar 30 13:53:02 <nidO> ah and the av cable.
Mar 30 13:53:22 <ech0Asus> i'd rather it be disabled and used for other things all together unless in the camera app... could use it for a light touch and hard touch short cut when outside of the camera app...
Mar 30 13:53:46 <Arkenklo> ech0Asus: install shortcutd
Mar 30 13:54:05 <C-S-B-N900> thatll hijack the camera key for something else.
Mar 30 13:54:15 <Arif_> you also get a headset!
Mar 30 13:54:32 <ech0Asus> i don't like the headset thing lol
Mar 30 13:54:42 <Arif_> yeah it kinda sucks ;>
Mar 30 13:54:55 <MiXu-> Yes it does... The buggers won't stay in my ears.
Mar 30 13:54:56 <ech0Asus> it's ok if your really bored and want to listen to the radio lol
Mar 30 13:55:04 <DocScrutinizer> s/kinda/massively
Mar 30 13:55:07 <joker_891> how works a sincronization?
Mar 30 13:55:30 <MiXu-> Fine, thank you. ;)
Mar 30 13:55:31 <Arif_> MiXu-, have you tried all tips?
Mar 30 13:55:47 <marcus__> what about carrying the n900 around in an old sock? :D
Mar 30 13:55:50 <MiXu-> Arif_: yes
Mar 30 13:55:56 <marcus__> would be nice looking (:
Mar 30 13:56:01 <SpeedEvil> marcus__, wash first
Mar 30 13:56:06 <ech0Asus> i carry it in my pocket and am sure to have nothing else in that pocket lol
Mar 30 13:56:15 <marcus__> SpeedEvil: Aaah, it'll keep the thieves away!
Mar 30 13:56:15 <ech0Asus> like.. no keys in that pocket.. haha
Mar 30 13:56:45 <Arkenklo> I've got this nice kind of pouch built in my pants
Mar 30 13:56:45 <Arif_> I have it dangling around my neck
Mar 30 13:56:50 <Arkenklo> one on each side
Mar 30 13:56:56 <nidO> ill just carry on dreaming of the day more manufactures wise up and use gorilla glass, and kill all the crap about screen protectors, cases, and not carrying keys in the same pocket
Mar 30 13:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> k, I need to scan a PCB now
Mar 30 13:57:29 <MiXu-> resistive displays don't go too good together with glass ;)
Mar 30 13:57:31 * DocScrutinizer waves
Mar 30 13:57:41 * marcus__ waves back
Mar 30 13:57:44 <Arif_> nidO, stop killing 2 markets in one go
Mar 30 13:57:54 <nidO> 3, itll kill the market for replacement screens too
Mar 30 13:58:19 <Arif_> just because you want a good screen doesn't mean all those people should go find a new job :P
Mar 30 13:58:21 <nidO> 4, if you count the market for crappy plastic / weak glass display covers
Mar 30 13:59:39 <nidO> on the plus side, there might be more work for blender manufacutres when someone tries a "will it blend?" on a gorilla-glass device and destroys their blender blades
Mar 30 14:00:47 <SpeedEvil> gorilla glass is far from indestructable
Mar 30 14:01:09 <nidO> its far from it, but it's far far closer to it than any other plastic or glass screen cover available
Mar 30 14:03:38 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025665.html
Mar 30 14:04:22 <X-Fade> Jaffa: pong.
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Mar 30 14:04:57 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Trying to highlight a conversation that was had here yesterday morning about extras-devel and "Tuner" getting wrong deps
Mar 30 14:05:18 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Basically we are giving developers early access to the SDK through the builder.
Mar 30 14:05:36 <X-Fade> But with that comes the issue that it doesn't run on older versions.
Mar 30 14:06:19 <X-Fade> Now extras-devel is expected to be unstable and run against the lastest and greatest, but this seems to be not what people expect.
Mar 30 14:06:47 * mgedmin thinks people are fine with latest, provided they can get it
Mar 30 14:06:47 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Yes, understand all that.
Mar 30 14:06:50 <hrw> X-Fade: people rather expect to be able to use built packages on device
Mar 30 14:07:03 <Jaffa> X-Fade: The problem here seems to be that the "fremantle" extras-devel is being fed from the PR1.2 SDK.
Mar 30 14:07:08 <hrw> but so far we have to wait for november
Mar 30 14:07:29 <X-Fade> Jaffa: There is nothing I can do about that now, because there is no fremantle-1.2 extras-devel.
Mar 30 14:07:32 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Whereas from the plan you outlined in February, I'd only expect "fremantle-1.2" to be being updated
Mar 30 14:07:48 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Only extras in this case.
Mar 30 14:07:48 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Oh.
Mar 30 14:07:50 <hrw> bb in few
Mar 30 14:08:00 <X-Fade> Which is the actual end-user repo.
Mar 30 14:08:11 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Indeed.
Mar 30 14:08:18 <Jaffa> X-Fade: And can people still promote from -devel to -testing?
Mar 30 14:08:28 <X-Fade> I hoped that with putting PR1.2 on the builder, this would give developers the opportunity to get their modified app to Extras around PR release.
Mar 30 14:08:51 <ech0Asus> :)
Mar 30 14:08:59 <ech0Asus> love this community
Mar 30 14:09:30 <X-Fade> There is an issue with promotion atm as it still sees the 'old' snapshot of the firmware image.
Mar 30 14:09:47 <X-Fade> I need to update that with packages from the PR1.2 firmware.
Mar 30 14:10:12 <Jaffa> X-Fade: No, but if promotion is still enabled, does *that* go into the fremantle-1.2 component of -testing?
Mar 30 14:10:31 <X-Fade> devel and testing are basically 'trunk' ;)
Mar 30 14:11:01 <noobmonk3y> lo alls :D
Mar 30 14:11:06 <X-Fade> With promotion from -testing to extras, I look at the compilation date, so I know which SDK is the minimal one.
Mar 30 14:11:23 <Jaffa> X-Fade: OK, I'm writing a mail to clarify this. Can I say that your initial plan and your enaction wasn't fully clear as to the consequences ;-)
Mar 30 14:11:27 <X-Fade> So promotions of 'old' apps go to both fremantle and fremantle-1.2
Mar 30 14:11:33 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I'm doing the same.
Mar 30 14:11:37 <noobmonk3y> anyone celever able to help? trying to find out all the possible outcomes for - /proc/bootreason (ie 32wd_to) 0 and a description?
Mar 30 14:11:52 <X-Fade> Jaffa: it seems that trying to do good backfired a bit.
Mar 30 14:12:31 <X-Fade> Jaffa: As I wrote somewhere, I did not have the resources or the time to create to separate repos with QA etc.
Mar 30 14:12:43 <LaraSnak> test...
Mar 30 14:12:45 <X-Fade> And that would be even more frustrating and confusing ;)
Mar 30 14:12:52 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Very possibly :-)
Mar 30 14:12:59 <noobmonk3y> x-fade needs some maemo sponsored monkey butlers to help him out ;)
Mar 30 14:13:17 <Stskeeps> i'd say clones of x-fade would do, too
Mar 30 14:13:17 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 30 14:13:19 <Jaffa> X-Fade: That's why good clear explicit comms "What's happening" "what it means to you" is usually a lot cheaper ;-)
Mar 30 14:13:23 <noobmonk3y> close enough Stskeeps  ;)
Mar 30 14:13:33 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I'm looking at a libhildon hack to see if we can 'hack' around the hildon issue.
Mar 30 14:13:37 <noobmonk3y> LaraSnak: test worked... possibly lol
Mar 30 14:13:37 <Jaffa> X-Fade: I'll hold off my mail then until I see yours, if you're doing one. No point overcomplicating the situation
Mar 30 14:13:45 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Mention that in your mail, too ;-)
Mar 30 14:14:07 <LaraSnak> noobmonk3y: in the topic it says I have to register but I guess not
Mar 30 14:14:08 <X-Fade> If people don't use livesearch, then it should be backwards compatible.
Mar 30 14:14:19 <noobmonk3y> LaraSnak:  it winges every so often at you if you dont
Mar 30 14:14:23 <X-Fade> But the best thing that can happen is a release of PR1.2 ;)
Mar 30 14:14:26 <X-Fade> soon
Mar 30 14:14:37 <LaraSnak> huh?
Mar 30 14:14:55 <noobmonk3y> LaraSnak: i found 1 day i could post in here fine, the next day, when not registered it blocked me from talking in here :(
Mar 30 14:15:24 <LaraSnak> noobmonk3y: it happens in other channels I want to type in too but I don't want to register
Mar 30 14:15:29 <noobmonk3y> anyway, anyone? trying to find out the possible /proc/bootreason outcomes?
Mar 30 14:15:33 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: err, lifesearch? HAM is telling me there's an update for Tuner app, but has broken dependencies
Mar 30 14:15:48 <X-Fade> livesearch even.
Mar 30 14:16:14 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Those are new symbols, the cause of the libhildon version bump.
Mar 30 14:16:14 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: Yeah, the libhildon's been specified too tightly.
Mar 30 14:16:27 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: and release of 1.2 won't exactly help that issue, as you still will see people using 1.1.1 and prev, for whatever reason
Mar 30 14:16:52 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: As said, -devel and testing should really run against latest.
Mar 30 14:17:07 <X-Fade> End users should use extras, which will have a separate fremantle-1.2 repo.
Mar 30 14:17:28 <noobmonk3y> OoOooooOOooo
Mar 30 14:18:23 <X-Fade> In the future we might want to look at what is the actual lowest firmware version that is required for an app to run, but that really needs AM changes.
Mar 30 14:18:52 <X-Fade> And that is something Nokia needs to fix on their end.
Mar 30 14:19:03 <DocScrutinizer> well for now devel and testing are borked, as devels can't use them to test updates of their pkg on the real platform
Mar 30 14:19:40 <hrw> X-Fade: it rather require implementing use of dpkg-gensymbols
Mar 30 14:20:01 <Stskeeps> heh, working dpkg-gensymbols may actually break more things than making them work
Mar 30 14:20:05 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: No, that is unfortunate. There are some people willing to test with PR1.2 devices of course, but yeah.
Mar 30 14:20:14 <hrw> DocScrutinizer: my-repo-is-better-then-your from 770 times will arrive soon?
Mar 30 14:20:30 <Stskeeps> i encountered gstreamer where a broken gensymbols would make it run just fine, but a real one would make build fail
Mar 30 14:20:33 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 30 14:20:42 <X-Fade> hrw: I'm going to setup an expermental build queue to see if we can make these symbols work, but it is quite complicated.
Mar 30 14:20:58 <hrw> X-Fade: and please - lintian!!!
Mar 30 14:21:02 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: You can test updates in Scratchbox, of course...
Mar 30 14:21:15 <Stskeeps> hrw, could ask jeremiah where maemian is
Mar 30 14:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: I know. but what's the use of THAT?
Mar 30 14:22:04 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: Better than not being able to test at all; or being horrified when PR1.2 lands and your app is broken...
Mar 30 14:22:25 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: There's little point complaining now. We can do a lessons learned once the dust settles if that'll help
Mar 30 14:22:34 <X-Fade> hrw: I would like to do lintian tests, but people are already telling us that it is too complicated.
Mar 30 14:22:40 * RST38h preemptively facepalms
Mar 30 14:22:48 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: I thought you do testing in scratchbox anyway, as devel. No need for a repo
Mar 30 14:23:10 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Now that we change the default distribution to fremantle-1.2 in PR1.2, we can do a bit better in the future if we want.
Mar 30 14:23:32 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Why? One magic string is the same as any other, isn't it?
Mar 30 14:24:13 <RichardP> just ordered my N900 \o/
Mar 30 14:24:18 <X-Fade> Yes, for end-users this should be an invisible thing.
Mar 30 14:24:51 <Jaffa> RST38h: Facepalm all you want, but there's no point trying to blame the way out of the situation now. Understanding and mitigation (whether through comms, or libhildon hackery) is more important.
Mar 30 14:25:00 <X-Fade> I'm thinking that we might be able to do the same for devel etc, but we would need to think what to do with the interface on top.
Mar 30 14:26:19 <X-Fade> Anyway, tracking different firmwares gets complicated fast.
Mar 30 14:26:21 <Klowner> bah, the root on my n900 filled up overnight and now I can't delete anything from it, says it's read-only but it's clearly mounted rw :[
Mar 30 14:26:23 <hrw> that reminds Chinook->Diablo time
Mar 30 14:26:59 <X-Fade> The problem is that an SSU is basically a dist upgrade every time.
Mar 30 14:27:28 <hrw> thats because of straight connections mostly
Mar 30 14:27:48 <evilrob> so in media player, I have 3 CDs by 3 different artists that all show up as "Various" in the Artist listing.  The id3 tag appears correct ("Blues Traveler" in one case)  I've blown away the tracker data and restarted tracker (and the N900) and after a few minutes tracker re-populated the data, but it still as these 3 listed as "Various".  ideas?
Mar 30 14:27:54 <derf> Klowner: Check dmesg. If there's a kernel panic, it will make the fs ro.
Mar 30 14:28:47 <Klowner> derf: not that I can see, just UBIFS errors, "cannot budget space", "cannot reserve 400 bytes" stuff
Mar 30 14:29:05 <DocScrutinizer> derf: doesn't a kernel panic make the whole device r/o ? ;-P
Mar 30 14:29:19 <derf> DocScrutinizer: I mean one in the fs driver, specifically.
Mar 30 14:29:27 <DocScrutinizer> as in "doesn't take any more input"
Mar 30 14:29:31 <Klowner> I suppose I could attempt rebooting and if that fails I'll reflash
Mar 30 14:29:48 <derf> If you reboot with the device full, it will reboot loop.
Mar 30 14:29:59 <Klowner> eeh
Mar 30 14:30:11 <derf> So get anything you want to save off of it now.
Mar 30 14:30:20 <derf> Because a reflash is probably inevitable.
Mar 30 14:30:49 <DocScrutinizer> yep :-/
Mar 30 14:30:56 <Klowner> alrighty
Mar 30 14:31:11 <DocScrutinizer> though boot tends to free some MB frequently
Mar 30 14:31:32 <Klowner> I don't have to go anywhere for a few hours so reflash won't kill me
Mar 30 14:31:44 <Klowner> so long as I don't brick anything
Mar 30 14:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> reflash takes seconds, not hours :-D
Mar 30 14:31:53 <madduck> it just cannot be that the n900 has no "OBEX File Transfer" bluetooth channel
Mar 30 14:31:59 <Klowner> well, I have to download the image :)
Mar 30 14:32:04 <madduck> only an OBEX push server and a file transfer server
Mar 30 14:32:09 <Klowner> madduck: install Petrovich
Mar 30 14:32:18 <Klowner> or.. are you speaking of something else
Mar 30 14:32:18 <madduck> it is installed, Klowner
Mar 30 14:32:27 <madduck> Klowner: I want to be able to send vcards to the device
Mar 30 14:32:31 <Klowner> ah
Mar 30 14:32:43 <trem> someone has tried syncevolution ?
Mar 30 14:32:54 <trem> seems that support for maemo has been added
Mar 30 14:33:30 * noobmonk3y ponders /proc/bootreason .... grrr 
Mar 30 14:33:44 <DocScrutinizer> trem: check this chan backscroll. I posted 3 URL some time ago
Mar 30 14:34:10 <madduck> i can receive vcards on channel 9, but then the n900 wants to save them; how can I just let it import them?
Mar 30 14:34:25 <DocScrutinizer> noobmonk3y: you don't have cmdline execution widget with bootreason??
Mar 30 14:34:49 <noobmonk3y> DocScrutinizer:  No... trying to figure out what types of bootreason there are - no descriptions anywhere i can find though
Mar 30 14:35:17 <noobmonk3y> know off two - but not official descriptions for them
Mar 30 14:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, no idea
Mar 30 14:35:33 <noobmonk3y> yeah :( - no idea here too - tis annoying as i'm assuming other linux's have em too?
Mar 30 14:36:24 <DocScrutinizer> madduck: good question. if you find out, tell me please
Mar 30 14:36:59 <madduck> DocScrutinizer: if you open it after save (checkbox ticked), it'll try the import, but it insists on saving it first.
Mar 30 14:37:20 <nidO> I believe bootreason is specific to maemo
Mar 30 14:37:58 <noobmonk3y> ahhhhhh and being specific ... the documentation would be in someone's head ... :D
Mar 30 14:38:19 <DocScrutinizer> and Nokia obviously wasn't bothered to document maemo specific things too much
Mar 30 14:38:29 <Klowner> hopefully I don't have to flash the eMMC as well
Mar 30 14:38:39 <DocScrutinizer> Klowner: unlikely
Mar 30 14:38:39 <noobmonk3y> kinda annoying for anyone who actually wants to transdlate maemo into english for normal users ;)
Mar 30 14:38:56 <Klowner> DocScrutinizer: all my contacts and junk are on the eMMC aren't they?
Mar 30 14:39:22 <DocScrutinizer> should, mostly. Do a backup using backup app though
Mar 30 14:39:49 <DocScrutinizer> it's pretty good
Mar 30 14:40:15 <Klowner> see if that works with the read only issue
Mar 30 14:40:28 <DocScrutinizer> should :-S
Mar 30 14:40:38 <Klowner> ah yep, it's going
Mar 30 14:40:44 <Klowner> to my microsd, good
Mar 30 14:41:32 <madduck> if obexftp cannot send files to the n900, what else can?
Mar 30 14:41:41 <madduck> blueman-applet can, but I want a CLI
Mar 30 14:41:45 <nidO> noobmonk3y to my knowledge there're basically 3 bootreasons, pwr_key, sw_rst, and 32wd_to
Mar 30 14:41:53 <noobmonk3y> ahaaaaaaa yay
Mar 30 14:41:54 <madduck> and I cannot figure out what blueman-applet does differently than using OBEX
Mar 30 14:41:55 <nidO> and the latter two of the three basically mean something's buggered
Mar 30 14:41:55 <noobmonk3y> an answer!
Mar 30 14:41:58 * DocScrutinizer makes notice to himself to add scheduled backup to alarmed
Mar 30 14:42:01 <noobmonk3y> yeah thought so ;)
Mar 30 14:42:10 <noobmonk3y> i think it normally relates to boot count the third one
Mar 30 14:42:21 <noobmonk3y> above 32 and it goes screwiw
Mar 30 14:42:26 <noobmonk3y> screwie*
Mar 30 14:42:34 <noobmonk3y> that makes sense with the number too ;)
Mar 30 14:43:25 <nidO> I vaguely recall that 32wd_to reasons shouldnt occur any more, as the reason is left over from standard nix reboot monitoring and is a bit dumb to have on maemo
Mar 30 14:43:33 <nidO> and was patched in 1.1
Mar 30 14:43:47 <noobmonk3y> apart from the guys posting about it this week ;) lol
Mar 30 14:43:54 <noobmonk3y> (on 1.1.1 supposedly)
Mar 30 14:44:02 <noobmonk3y> but i dont belive everything i read lol
Mar 30 14:44:54 <Klowner> stupid question, but what's the difference between the USA and Global firmware?
Mar 30 14:45:04 <nidO> nothing that anyone can see
Mar 30 14:45:06 <DocScrutinizer> nidO: ohh? I got it watchdog timeout still may occur on whatever daemon barfing chunks
Mar 30 14:45:11 <Klowner> strange
Mar 30 14:45:22 <Klowner> I suppose global wouldn't hurt me then?
Mar 30 14:45:49 <noobmonk3y> Klowner:  nope, i used the global fine - was uk specific
Mar 30 14:46:32 <Klowner> noobmonk3y: alrighty, I'll give global a shot
Mar 30 14:47:57 <madduck> Klowner: global and US have different wireless firmwares, I think, due to frequency differences
Mar 30 14:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> nidO: and issueing a 'shutdown -r now' will also trigger
Mar 30 14:48:11 <DocScrutinizer> ^w cause sw_rst
Mar 30 14:48:27 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Mar 30 14:48:31 <madduck> so does the n900 do activesync/synce?
Mar 30 14:48:35 <trem> DocScrutinizer: those tut are for sync N900 with memotoo, can I sync my N900 with a PC (evolution, thunderbird, .....) ?
Mar 30 14:49:14 <corecode> so considering that the calendar is closed source
Mar 30 14:49:15 <ech0Asus> shredder is nice :)
Mar 30 14:49:24 <DocScrutinizer> evolution is explicitly mentioned in one of the threads I posted the URLs
Mar 30 14:49:39 <corecode> would it be useful for a team to implement an open source calendar?
Mar 30 14:50:24 <Klowner> so I suppose I'll attempt a reboot and see if that causes it to repeatedly flip out OR suddenly become normal
Mar 30 14:50:30 <madduck> corecode: of course, and especially if it was done properly, i.e. as a library and a plugin architecture, with a flexible, synchronisable data store (maybe even remind!), and UIs using the functionality of the library
Mar 30 14:50:38 <Klowner> if flipping out occurs, I shall reflash the fiasco/rootfs
Mar 30 14:50:39 <madduck> corecode: just don't implement it all in a GUI!
Mar 30 14:51:09 <nidO> ah DocScrutinizer just tracked down the exact issue I was recalling - 32wd_to reboots were adding 3 to the reboot count rather than 1, and would brick the device once the reboot count got to 50 without a clean shutdown + boot
Mar 30 14:51:32 <nidO> so all the pre-1.1 random reboots were bricking devices which has now been fixed, but yea 32wd_to reboots themselves will still happen
Mar 30 14:52:41 <corecode> madduck: clearly the gui would have to use a library, or at least provide an interface
Mar 30 14:52:57 <DocScrutinizer> nidO: and I've seen this 3boots isssue some 4 days ago, when device rebotted in usb-insert
Mar 30 14:52:58 <Klowner> unless there's a chance of me bricking the device by risking a reboot loop, in which case I'd attempt flashing right away.
Mar 30 14:53:20 <madduck> corecode: the interface code should be as thin as possible; all functionality should be in the library
Mar 30 14:53:33 <corecode> madduck: fair enough
Mar 30 14:53:38 <madduck> corecode: and the backend store should be standard, e.g. either remind or vevent
Mar 30 14:53:40 <nidO> DocScrutinizer: they may have fixed it by just removing or increasing the 50 boot max limit, rather than actually correcting it adding 3 boots per boot
Mar 30 14:53:51 <corecode> madduck: however guis are the hard part, usually
Mar 30 14:54:26 <corecode> madduck: i don't mind the store format as long as the library can interface
Mar 30 14:54:33 <madduck> corecode: yes, and I usually let others do them and concentrate on the core
Mar 30 14:54:41 <ShadowJK> thenktor, mp3 decoding is not on dsp either on n900
Mar 30 14:54:49 <madduck> corecode: standards for store formats have so many advantages!
Mar 30 14:55:31 <Klowner> if anyone more knowledgable than myself can reaffirm me in attempting to turn the device back on with a full rootfs I would be more grateful
Mar 30 14:55:56 <nidO> it might work, it might fail, or it might rebootloop
Mar 30 14:56:04 <nidO> may as well try it, you can reflash it regardless
Mar 30 14:56:06 <Klowner> as long as rebootloop != brick
Mar 30 14:56:15 <Klowner> I can still reflash fine with rebootloop?
Mar 30 14:56:18 <nidO> yep
Mar 30 14:56:21 <Klowner> aight, here goes
Mar 30 14:56:27 <Klowner> thank you nidO
Mar 30 14:57:15 <Klowner> hands.. desktop
Mar 30 14:58:00 * DocScrutinizer dreams of a generic pim-object, consisting of contact details, a schedule/alarm, an actionspecifier ("call"|"meeting"|"switch profile"|...), a general field for notes and/or refs to project files (e.g. drawing, media), priority-of-task...
Mar 30 14:58:15 <Klowner> apt-get clean and I now have 20MB left on root, yippee
Mar 30 14:58:41 <X-Fade> Klowner: Ubifs garbage collection runs on boot.
Mar 30 14:59:05 <Klowner> X-Fade: after it booted I had 376k free
Mar 30 14:59:11 <Klowner> good stuff
Mar 30 14:59:21 <X-Fade> Klowner: At least more than 0 ;)
Mar 30 14:59:27 <Klowner> yup
Mar 30 15:00:11 <corecode> madduck: seems to be a recurring theme
Mar 30 15:00:19 <corecode> madduck: too few UI programmers
Mar 30 15:03:57 <Khertan> Someone know what can block mfe from sending email via gmail ? sometimes it s works, sometime no ...
Mar 30 15:04:10 <madduck> corecode: CLI is the real UI anyway
Mar 30 15:04:15 <Khertan> seems there is something that block it ... but i can't found what
Mar 30 15:04:38 <nidO> your network provider would be a possibility
Mar 30 15:05:03 <corecode> madduck: surely not
Mar 30 15:05:22 <Khertan> nidO: mfe use http port ...
Mar 30 15:05:30 <Khertan> nidO: so doesn't seems to be that
Mar 30 15:05:41 <Khertan> and more ... some email failed while other are sent
Mar 30 15:05:42 <Khertan> strange
Mar 30 15:06:13 <madduck> corecode: surely yet! ;)
Mar 30 15:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan: gmail greylisting?
Mar 30 15:07:42 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer: uh ? there is a greylisting ?
Mar 30 15:08:58 <DocScrutinizer> I think there is. For sure google does some antispam. And for sure they won't elaborate on details
Mar 30 15:09:48 <Khertan> but ... so why some mail are while other aren't ?
Mar 30 15:09:57 <Khertan> strange
Mar 30 15:10:26 <corecode> same mail?
Mar 30 15:10:28 <corecode> same server?
Mar 30 15:12:20 <Khertan> same email ... not sure that is the same server as there is load balancing on gmail exchange sync
Mar 30 15:12:20 <Khertan> :)
Mar 30 15:12:31 <Khertan> maybe this is the reason
Mar 30 15:12:59 <nidO> is the mail failing to actually sync with google, or syncing, getting sent, and bouncing?
Mar 30 15:13:21 <Khertan> is the mail failing to actually sync with google <<< mail failing to be sent
Mar 30 15:13:37 <Khertan> but as i use mfe sync i didn't got too much error
Mar 30 15:13:54 <Khertan> maybe i should try to install wireshark and see what happen
Mar 30 15:13:55 <Khertan> :)
Mar 30 15:14:48 <Wizzup> Any suggestions for a small bluetooth keyboard that will work with n900?
Mar 30 15:15:41 <SpeedEvil> keyboards are not supported out of the box.
Mar 30 15:15:54 <nidO> cellulon cl850 is about as small as they come, theres no way to get it working with the n900 though
Mar 30 15:16:14 <SpeedEvil> my attempts to get it working following wiki howto failed though.
Mar 30 15:23:47 <kamui> yay!
Mar 30 15:23:50 <kamui> my XT2 just arrived!
Mar 30 15:28:38 <dneary> Anyone seen Jeremiah about?
Mar 30 15:29:46 <Stskeeps> dneary: idling in #meego
Mar 30 15:32:58 <microlith> fucking piece of trash thumbnailer daemon
Mar 30 15:34:16 * bilboed seconds that opinion
Mar 30 15:37:34 <Khertan> bye
Mar 30 15:46:46 <lardman> re
Mar 30 15:46:49 <lardman> andre__: ping
Mar 30 15:47:03 <andre__> lardman, pong
Mar 30 15:47:17 <lardman> andre__: could I setup an entry for mbarcode in the bugtracker?
Mar 30 15:47:20 <lardman> please :)
Mar 30 15:48:36 <andre__> lardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products by email. Thanks :)
Mar 30 15:48:50 <lardman> thanks
Mar 30 15:49:43 <hrw> I hate wifi
Mar 30 15:50:10 <hrw> few years ago it was easy - iwconfig had everything needed to connect to wifi. people had open or wep
Mar 30 15:50:33 <hrw> now - wpa-supplicant which gives insane logs and disconnects 10us after association
Mar 30 15:54:11 <errordeveloper>  http://dpaste.com/177554/
Mar 30 15:54:25 <errordeveloper> i got this during SDK5 install
Mar 30 15:54:32 <ech0Asus> hrw u got aircrack goin on n900?
Mar 30 15:54:33 <errordeveloper> that's where first error occurs
Mar 30 15:54:40 <errordeveloper> basically also in syslog i get an error msg about /etc/login.defs
Mar 30 15:54:48 <errordeveloper> "Cannot open login definitions /etc/login.defs [No Such File or Directory]"
Mar 30 15:54:55 <errordeveloper> first i discovered that there is no $PATH/scratchbox/etc/login.defs and i made a symlink to my /etc/login.defs
Mar 30 15:55:13 <errordeveloper> also tried to cp instead of ln -s
Mar 30 15:55:25 <hrw> ech0Asus: no, playing with new router and new wifi
Mar 30 15:55:30 <errordeveloper> it's all a bit wiered
Mar 30 15:57:37 <ech0Asus> is there bt tools similar to aircrack that could work on the n900
Mar 30 15:58:04 <ech0Asus> i would like to try and play with my old phone
Mar 30 16:01:10 <lardman> andre__: will have a think about sub-categories and try to email you later, thanks
Mar 30 16:01:13 <lardman> bbl
Mar 30 16:05:12 <andrewfblack> GAN900: Ping
Mar 30 16:10:23 <ech0Asus> is there a way to run .jar files?
Mar 30 16:12:10 <nidO> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37405
Mar 30 16:12:41 <errordeveloper> ech0Asus: `java -jar program.jar
Mar 30 16:17:26 <abustany> hi there
Mar 30 16:17:37 <abustany> I'm reading the "opt problem" page on the maemo wiki, and am packaging an app
Mar 30 16:17:43 <abustany> which is installed in /opt
Mar 30 16:18:05 <abustany> and I don't see a standard way to add /opt/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Mar 30 16:18:21 <abustany> of course I can add a cat foo/bar >> ld.so.conf in the postinst script, but that's really ugly :)
Mar 30 16:20:43 <GAN900> andre
Mar 30 16:20:50 <GAN900> andrewfblack, pong?
Mar 30 16:22:17 <wbs> abustany: either compile your binaries with -rpath /opt/yourdir, or use maemo-optify before dpkg-builddeb, so that the files are installed in /opt but symlinks are added in /usr
Mar 30 16:22:42 <abustany> wbs: why don't we simply add /opt/maemo/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
Mar 30 16:22:47 <abustany> that would avoid symlinks
Mar 30 16:24:47 <wbs> as for the general /opt/maemo, sure, that would be an option, too
Mar 30 16:26:05 <abustany> wbs: ok, and so how do I add that to LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? Is dropping a file in /etc/osso-af-init/ enough ?
Mar 30 16:26:52 <wbs> abustany: don't ask me, I was mere suggesting some other alternatives
Mar 30 16:27:54 <andre__> GAN900, on the leave, sorry
Mar 30 16:28:20 <GAN900> andre__, tab completion fail.
Mar 30 16:30:10 * Arif_ sneezes
Mar 30 16:37:34 <SpeedEvil> blocks is addictive.
Mar 30 16:37:40 <SpeedEvil> 11130.
Mar 30 16:44:32 <Arif_> I want a Worms World Party port :(
Mar 30 16:46:10 * noobmonk3y waves :D
Mar 30 16:46:12 <nidO> I want a worms 1 port thats less bad than wormux :(
Mar 30 16:46:20 <Arif_> nah
Mar 30 16:46:24 <Arif_> Worms 1 didn't have online play
Mar 30 16:46:32 * Arif_ throws a worm at noobmonk3y
Mar 30 16:46:37 * noobmonk3y eats the worm
Mar 30 16:47:10 <Arif_> Team17 hates you ;(
Mar 30 16:47:15 <noobmonk3y> yay!
Mar 30 16:47:25 <noobmonk3y> everyone having a gd day?
Mar 30 16:47:38 <Arif_> yes!
Mar 30 16:47:41 <nidO> s'alright, working till 10 tho
Mar 30 16:47:42 <Clickety> well, my wife left me
Mar 30 16:47:48 <Clickety> and my hemorrhoids have been flaring up lately
Mar 30 16:47:49 <noobmonk3y> Clickety, :| :|
Mar 30 16:47:50 <Clickety> so id say, no
Mar 30 16:47:55 <Khertan> Hi (again) !
Mar 30 16:48:00 <noobmonk3y> hey Khertan  :D
Mar 30 16:48:08 <noobmonk3y> still haven't got round to email you :P hehe
Mar 30 16:48:11 <Arif_> Clickety, stop IRC'ing so much then ;(
Mar 30 16:48:27 <Clickety> you have a point there
Mar 30 16:48:31 <noobmonk3y> wohooooooo my ebay sale is up to £160 :D :D
Mar 30 16:48:41 <Khertan> so studying why some mail are sent by mfe and some not was a failure as it s use ssl for communicating with gmail
Mar 30 16:48:43 <Arif_> you're selling healthcheck?
Mar 30 16:48:45 <SpeedEvil> noobmonk3y, no. It's too damn sleety, windy and cold.
Mar 30 16:48:51 <Khertan> and wireshark didn t help :)
Mar 30 16:48:55 <noobmonk3y> awwww SpeedEvil  - not in hawaii then?
Mar 30 16:49:06 <SpeedEvil> noobmonk3y, no.pe.
Mar 30 16:49:10 <noobmonk3y> lol :P
Mar 30 16:49:12 <noobmonk3y> pe?
Mar 30 16:49:19 <noobmonk3y> pensilvania
Mar 30 16:49:23 <noobmonk3y> or however you spell it?
Mar 30 16:49:26 <Khertan> héhé noobmonkey .)
Mar 30 16:49:27 <SpeedEvil> http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom
Mar 30 16:49:31 <toggles_w> pennsylvania
Mar 30 16:49:34 <noobmonk3y> pencil'vania?
Mar 30 16:49:39 <toggles_w> pa
Mar 30 16:49:42 * toggles_w lives there
Mar 30 16:49:49 <SpeedEvil> http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png even
Mar 30 16:50:25 <noobmonk3y> ooo scotland
Mar 30 16:50:55 <noobmonk3y> oooo arif, are you bored?
Mar 30 16:51:04 <Arif_> no
Mar 30 16:51:05 <Arif_> ;D
Mar 30 16:51:07 <noobmonk3y> meh
Mar 30 16:51:13 <Khertan> it s me which didn t remember well or ethercap in the past have an ssl man in the middle attack to decrypt ssl easily which wireshark didnt have
Mar 30 16:51:27 <Khertan> ?
Mar 30 16:51:29 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, that is as good as speaking latin to me ;)
Mar 30 16:51:34 <Arif_> asl?
Mar 30 16:51:39 <Khertan> lol
Mar 30 16:51:39 <noobmonk3y> lol Arif_ !!!
Mar 30 16:52:01 <Arif_> yeah I don't have any idea what its about either ;(
Mar 30 16:52:32 * Khertan is trying to understood why sending email with mfe failed so frequently
Mar 30 16:52:33 <noobmonk3y> khertan, you can concentrate on my py2deb/packager (Whichever one i use) issues! lol
Mar 30 16:52:52 <Khertan> there is no issue :)
Mar 30 16:53:05 <noobmonk3y> there is lol ;) - apart from it working enough to pass testing lol
Mar 30 16:53:25 <Khertan> oh really ?
Mar 30 16:53:45 <noobmonk3y> http://maemo.org/packages/view/healthcheck/ - icon shown, is one i havn't used in 3 weeks, and the comments are showing as 	 * no changelog
Mar 30 16:54:19 <noobmonk3y> doesnt bother me but i'm sure ossipena will have a period at some point soon
Mar 30 16:54:20 <Khertan> there is a bug tracker about pypackager on http://khertan.net/flyspray/
Mar 30 16:54:20 <Khertan> :)
Mar 30 16:54:24 <noobmonk3y> lol!
Mar 30 16:54:38 <noobmonk3y> mine was your bar-steward-ised version ;)
Mar 30 16:54:52 <Khertan> for the old icon it s a bug of maemo.org/package interface
Mar 30 16:54:57 <noobmonk3y> cool
Mar 30 16:55:20 <noobmonk3y> urghhh
Mar 30 16:55:24 <noobmonk3y> i hate bug trackers
Mar 30 16:55:25 <Khertan> i ve already enter a bug report on b.m.o
Mar 30 16:55:29 <Khertan> but still not really fixed
Mar 30 16:55:50 <Khertan> yep ... but flyspray is friendly
Mar 30 16:55:56 <noobmonk3y> hmmm just puts me off, having to register everywhere ....
Mar 30 16:56:05 <noobmonk3y> its another place i will get another username and remember once
Mar 30 16:56:19 <Khertan> no need to register
Mar 30 16:56:22 <noobmonk3y> oooo
Mar 30 16:56:40 <noobmonk3y> oh yeah
Mar 30 16:56:43 <Khertan> anonymous report is autorized
Mar 30 16:56:45 <noobmonk3y> anon'mouse'ly
Mar 30 16:56:55 * noobmonk3y will brb!
Mar 30 16:57:29 <Khertan> and if you give an email ... you got a email when bug fixed
Mar 30 16:57:29 <Khertan> and if you give an email address ... you got a email when bug fixed
Mar 30 16:57:54 <Khertan> also it s permit me to add easy bug report on pygtkeditor 3.0.15
Mar 30 16:58:56 <Khertan> if you got a crash it s show you the exception error and permt you to send it to the bugtracker with only one click
Mar 30 16:58:58 <Khertan> ~ping
Mar 30 16:58:59 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 30 16:59:26 <Khertan> but of course pygtkeditor 3.0.15 is available on my repository only
Mar 30 17:00:01 <tybollt> bonjour khertan, how you holding up?
Mar 30 17:00:02 <Khertan> and until pygtkeditor will not be removed from extras ... noone which have extras enabled will be able to install it from ham
Mar 30 17:00:04 <Khertan> ~ping
Mar 30 17:00:05 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 30 17:00:33 <Khertan> tybolt : Hello !
Mar 30 17:00:47 <noobmonk3y> w00000p
Mar 30 17:00:50 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, http://www.khertan.net/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=7&task_token=09e219d84d6bb66eb30a9bb777821fa9
Mar 30 17:01:11 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, still using your repo :D
Mar 30 17:02:17 <Khertan_> Hi again :)
Mar 30 17:02:20 <noobmonk3y> lol wb Khertan
Mar 30 17:02:20 <Khertan_> currently ... i m trying to understand why mfe didn t send all my email
Mar 30 17:02:27 <noobmonk3y> omg i've just rea;ised
Mar 30 17:02:35 <noobmonk3y> in that build file i think i may know the problem....
Mar 30 17:02:36 <Khertan_> and playing a bit too much with freeciv
Mar 30 17:02:37 <Khertan_> .)
Mar 30 17:02:45 <noobmonk3y> p.changelog==
Mar 30 17:02:49 <noobmonk3y> to man ='s?
Mar 30 17:02:53 <noobmonk3y> many*
Mar 30 17:03:28 <Khertan_> two equal ? ... it s a compar :)
Mar 30 17:03:30 <noobmonk3y> lo MohammadAG
Mar 30 17:03:36 <noobmonk3y> meh all the rest have one =
Mar 30 17:03:42 <noobmonk3y> but changelog has two ='s
Mar 30 17:03:44 <Khertan_> will not affect anything
Mar 30 17:03:48 <noobmonk3y> meh meh
Mar 30 17:03:51 <Khertan_> replace with one =
Mar 30 17:03:53 <Khertan_> :)
Mar 30 17:04:15 <Khertan_> this is where ? in your script or in pypackager code ?
Mar 30 17:04:27 <noobmonk3y> build_healthcheck.py
Mar 30 17:04:33 <noobmonk3y> your code :)
Mar 30 17:04:49 <noobmonk3y> http://pastebin.com/VpnfxbkQ
Mar 30 17:06:13 <Khertan> [19:06] <Khertan_> replace with one =n[19:06] <Khertan_> :)n[19:07] <Khertan_> this is where ? in your script or in pypackager code ?n[19:07] <Khertan_> ~ping
Mar 30 17:06:16 <Khertan> :)
Mar 30 17:06:30 <Khertan> sorry connection isn't stable
Mar 30 17:06:39 <MohammadAG> hey noobmonk3y
Mar 30 17:06:54 <noobmonk3y> :D
Mar 30 17:07:01 <noobmonk3y> build_healthcheck.py
Mar 30 17:07:03 <noobmonk3y> your code :)
Mar 30 17:07:04 <noobmonk3y> http://pastebin.com/VpnfxbkQ
Mar 30 17:07:14 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, np, i aint stable ;)
Mar 30 17:09:47 <nidO> meh
Mar 30 17:09:50 <noobmonk3y> meh meh
Mar 30 17:09:53 <Arif_> meow
Mar 30 17:09:54 <nidO> cant believe my case still hasnt turned up :<
Mar 30 17:10:00 <Arif_> where is it ;P
Mar 30 17:10:06 <noobmonk3y> i can't beleive it either nidO - tough life
Mar 30 17:10:09 <nidO> tossed my entire apartment upside down now like 4 times
Mar 30 17:10:12 <Khertan> ~ping
Mar 30 17:10:13 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 30 17:10:15 <Khertan> http://pastebin.com/vpxM7kgh < will be better
Mar 30 17:10:18 <Khertan> :)
Mar 30 17:10:22 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, still playing ~ping ~pong
Mar 30 17:10:22 <Arif_> go buy a new one
Mar 30 17:10:30 <nidO> i ordered two new ones yesterday
Mar 30 17:10:34 <nidO> they havent arrived yet :(
Mar 30 17:10:38 <Arif_> why two
Mar 30 17:10:45 <Khertan> yep just to know if answer has been post
Mar 30 17:10:47 <nidO> in case I lose another of the bloody things
Mar 30 17:10:50 * Shapeshifter notices that maemo gitorious is now meego gitorious.
Mar 30 17:10:55 <Khertan> as irc is block by my isp
Mar 30 17:11:04 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, posted it twice, want me to post again?
Mar 30 17:11:07 <Arif_> I lost my stylus
Mar 30 17:11:11 <noobmonk3y> lol Khertan
Mar 30 17:11:14 <Arif_> and I'm not buying a new one for 7 eur
Mar 30 17:11:18 <nidO> luckily I still have mine :)
Mar 30 17:11:26 <noobmonk3y> Arif_, i have 3 spare stylus's :D
Mar 30 17:11:27 <Khertan> and freenode is blocking mibbit which work better than webchat.freenode.net
Mar 30 17:11:33 <Arif_> where did you get them?
Mar 30 17:11:34 <nidO> and id totally pay that for a replacement if i lost it
Mar 30 17:11:38 <noobmonk3y> fleabay
Mar 30 17:11:43 <nidO> my girlfriend would leave me if we couldnt play blubbels :(
Mar 30 17:11:50 <Khertan> noobmonk3y : just remove one equal
Mar 30 17:11:59 <nidO> noobmonk3y are they just generic ones? not ones that actually fit in the n900's holder I take it
Mar 30 17:12:04 <Arif_> nidO, you need a better gf :P
Mar 30 17:12:08 <noobmonk3y> nidO,  fit fine :D
Mar 30 17:12:14 <nidO> rly? got a link?
Mar 30 17:12:20 <noobmonk3y> jusy a bit lighter and flex an ickle bit
Mar 30 17:12:24 <noobmonk3y> finding the link
Mar 30 17:12:28 <noobmonk3y> somewhere in my memail i'm sure
Mar 30 17:12:33 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, trying it also
Mar 30 17:12:44 <nidO> it actually fits and has a smooth edge round the corner like the original?
Mar 30 17:13:36 <noobmonk3y> yup
Mar 30 17:13:38 <noobmonk3y> moulded the same
Mar 30 17:13:45 <Khertan> noobmonk3y : you ve post bugreport in the wrong project :)
Mar 30 17:13:45 <noobmonk3y> just a cheaper material i think
Mar 30 17:13:51 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, meh......
Mar 30 17:13:51 <nidO> needz link \o/
Mar 30 17:13:56 <Arif_> lol
Mar 30 17:13:59 <noobmonk3y> trying to do 2 things here!
Mar 30 17:14:14 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, dont forget to breathe too
Mar 30 17:14:17 <nidO> may as well do mine first, Khertan's due another disconnect :p
Mar 30 17:14:19 * noobmonk3y farts
Mar 30 17:14:31 <Khertan> :)
Mar 30 17:14:34 <Khertan> i ll move it
Mar 30 17:14:46 <Arif_> http://cgi.ebay.com/3x-Stylus-Touch-Screen-Pen-Pack-For-NOKIA-N900-N97-Mini_W0QQitemZ160416281662QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_MobilePhoneAccessories?hash=item25598e343e
Mar 30 17:15:01 <nidO> clearly nothing remotely like the proper one
Mar 30 17:15:20 <noobmonk3y> This listing (130367574143) has been removed, or this item is not available.
Mar 30 17:15:20 <noobmonk3y>     *
Mar 30 17:15:20 <noobmonk3y>       Please check that you've entered the correct item number
Mar 30 17:15:20 <noobmonk3y>     *
Mar 30 17:15:20 <noobmonk3y>       Listings that have ended 90 or more days ago will not be available for viewing.
Mar 30 17:15:21 <Arif_> http://cgi.ebay.com/3-X-Stylus-Pen-for-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ270553467029QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3efe3e4895
Mar 30 17:15:21 <noobmonk3y> lol
Mar 30 17:15:33 <Shapeshifter> wow crap
Mar 30 17:16:06 <nidO> noobmonk3y got the seller's name?
Mar 30 17:16:11 <Arif_> http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-STYLET-STYLUS-STYLII-PEN-FOR-NOKIA-N900-HOTPINK_W0QQitemZ270555548416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3efe5e0b00
Mar 30 17:16:14 <Arif_> sweet color!
Mar 30 17:16:29 <noobmonk3y> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-X-Stylus-Pen-for-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ130371750981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item1e5ac30c45
Mar 30 17:16:49 <noobmonk3y> nidO,  - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-X-Stylus-Pen-for-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ130371750981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item1e5ac30c45 that was it
Mar 30 17:16:52 <Arif_> looks the same as my 2nd link
Mar 30 17:16:58 <noobmonk3y> prob was
Mar 30 17:17:00 <nidO> ta - perfect \o/
Mar 30 17:17:08 <Arif_> yep, same :P
Mar 30 17:17:19 <Arif_> nidO, get the pink ones!
Mar 30 17:17:21 <noobmonk3y> fits fine, material is slightly lighter i'd say, so if you press hard it flexes, but meh, fits n works
Mar 30 17:17:26 <RST38h> <yawn>
Mar 30 17:17:28 <nidO> i'd found these ones
Mar 30 17:17:28 <nidO> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Nokia-N900-N-900-Stylus-Pen-Touch-X-2-UK_W0QQitemZ110512291363QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item19bb0bbe23
Mar 30 17:17:32 <nidO> supposedly genuine
Mar 30 17:17:34 * lcuk clicks buy em now and gets the last 2
Mar 30 17:17:47 <noobmonk3y> lol nidO  i bought some that looked the same, didnt fit n cost me £5
Mar 30 17:18:01 <|R> dog
Mar 30 17:18:02 <|R> doh
Mar 30 17:18:11 <RST38h> lcuk: What will you do to them?
Mar 30 17:18:13 <nidO> those ones are £3.99 for 2, good price if they are genuine
Mar 30 17:18:16 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, happy to post you a spare if needed? but you should have a good collection by now?
Mar 30 17:18:37 <Arif_> you can post one to me
Mar 30 17:18:38 <Arif_> :p
Mar 30 17:19:11 * Arif_ needs an ebay account
Mar 30 17:19:23 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, im happy for styluses
Mar 30 17:19:37 <Arif_> lcuk, are you interested in those pink ones?
Mar 30 17:19:42 <lcuk> i still use my fujitsu loox one
Mar 30 17:19:46 <noobmonk3y> wb Khertan
Mar 30 17:19:48 <Khertan> noobmonk3y : you should got an email from flyspray normally
Mar 30 17:20:01 <lcuk> Arif_, link, tracy might be for hers
Mar 30 17:20:12 * ioeee saluda o/
Mar 30 17:20:19 <Chiku|dc> does PR1.2 released?
Mar 30 17:20:22 <Arif_> http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-STYLET-STYLUS-STYLII-PEN-FOR-NOKIA-N900-HOTPINK_W0QQitemZ270555548416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3efe5e0b00
Mar 30 17:20:53 <noobmonk3y> lol Khertan  - sorry for that
Mar 30 17:20:57 <noobmonk3y> just trying a new build now :D
Mar 30 17:21:04 <noobmonk3y> version 7.0.0-0 :D :D :D
Mar 30 17:21:05 <Khertan> chiku only in a parralel universe
Mar 30 17:21:13 <noobmonk3y> or 0.7.0-0 even
Mar 30 17:21:20 <Khertan> noobmonk3y: héhé
Mar 30 17:21:26 <RST38h> moo Khertan
Mar 30 17:21:39 <Khertan> hi rst38h
Mar 30 17:22:12 <noobmonk3y> yay build succeeded, just gotta wait 45 mins :P
Mar 30 17:22:19 <Khertan> hehe
Mar 30 17:22:21 <noobmonk3y> lcuk,  - how are you feeling btw? any better?
Mar 30 17:22:33 <lcuk> since when was i poorly?
Mar 30 17:22:46 <noobmonk3y> all the time? ;)
Mar 30 17:22:53 <noobmonk3y> you werent feeling to great after the wkend
Mar 30 17:22:59 <noobmonk3y> think it was the freedom that got to ya
Mar 30 17:23:05 <lcuk> heh yeah
Mar 30 17:23:38 <noobmonk3y> looks like we may have 3 people for a meetup next week! - wohooooooooo
Mar 30 17:23:47 <lcuk> \o/
Mar 30 17:24:01 <lcuk> increase profile of this meet
Mar 30 17:24:09 * noobmonk3y will advertise on page 3 of the sun
Mar 30 17:24:25 <noobmonk3y> n900 meetup - should fit perfectly around a nipple i feel
Mar 30 17:24:40 <tybollt> noobmonk3y: thanks, I rather see your wife on page3 :P
Mar 30 17:24:44 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, Working fine :D thankeeeeeee
Mar 30 17:24:45 <lcuk> well glamour models are interested in silicone
Mar 30 17:24:51 <nidO> wheres the meetup intended on being anyway?
Mar 30 17:25:00 <noobmonk3y> lol tybollt dont tell my gf she is my wife, life is already hard enough for her ;)
Mar 30 17:25:09 <RST38h> only they put it into all the wrong places.
Mar 30 17:25:12 <noobmonk3y> nidO,  M5, tiverton way
Mar 30 17:25:25 <noobmonk3y> trying to get near enough for kathy to make it
Mar 30 17:25:25 <Khertan> :)
Mar 30 17:25:35 <lcuk> RST38h, i dunno
Mar 30 17:25:36 <nidO> wow, that couldnt be a much worse place if it tried :p
Mar 30 17:25:36 <noobmonk3y> but i'm on holiday, so dont want to spend my holiday driving!
Mar 30 17:25:49 <lcuk> they dont appear to be the wrong places when i give them a cursory glance
Mar 30 17:25:52 <nidO> I am going that way in a few months though
Mar 30 17:25:52 <Arif_> oh so that's your intention!
Mar 30 17:25:53 <Arif_> xD
Mar 30 17:25:56 <noobmonk3y> well, aiming to get the country folk involved ;) - help the needy n all that ;)
Mar 30 17:25:59 <lcuk> i suppose i should do more investigation
Mar 30 17:26:02 <RST38h> keyword is "cursory".
Mar 30 17:26:05 <nidO> pfff, im country foke
Mar 30 17:26:09 <noobmonk3y> lol :)
Mar 30 17:26:10 <nidO> just the other side of the country
Mar 30 17:26:16 <noobmonk3y> nidO, where bouts?!
Mar 30 17:26:19 <nidO> norwich
Mar 30 17:26:20 <noobmonk3y> i'm in sussex :D
Mar 30 17:26:22 <noobmonk3y> oh lol
Mar 30 17:26:28 <noobmonk3y> you are a bumpkin
Mar 30 17:26:32 <RST38h> btw, is maemo5 canola worth installing?
Mar 30 17:26:36 <Arif_> no
Mar 30 17:26:42 <Arif_> it sucks
Mar 30 17:26:55 <Arif_> doesn't index anything from MyDocs
Mar 30 17:26:58 <noobmonk3y> :P
Mar 30 17:27:09 <RST38h> Isn't it configurable
Mar 30 17:27:22 <noobmonk3y> nidO,  i just happenned to be on hols in minehead, so was trying to drum up interest in the west country :D
Mar 30 17:27:24 <Arif_> not that I could figure out
Mar 30 17:28:00 <nidO> good plan, not exactly down the road from me though sadly :(
Mar 30 17:28:03 <noobmonk3y> hehe
Mar 30 17:28:07 <noobmonk3y> yeah, sry :P
Mar 30 17:28:12 <nidO> I feel so alone, theres like 3 people in the whole of norfolk according to the user map
Mar 30 17:28:18 <noobmonk3y> will do a llondon one though
Mar 30 17:28:21 <noobmonk3y> london*
Mar 30 17:28:32 <noobmonk3y> i'm up in luck's neck of the woods soon
Mar 30 17:28:40 <noobmonk3y> well, ok 2 hours south, but nearer
Mar 30 17:29:07 * MohammadAG wants the PR1.1.1 SDK back :/
Mar 30 17:29:15 <nidO> shame the tiverton meet isnt over the summer, will be down plymouth way at some point
Mar 30 17:29:36 <noobmonk3y> :D :D
Mar 30 17:29:42 <noobmonk3y> lol MohammadAG
Mar 30 17:29:58 <noobmonk3y> omfg... catalogue refredh has taken 5 mins... meh
Mar 30 17:30:02 <noobmonk3y> refresh*
Mar 30 17:30:42 <noobmonk3y> aghhhh operation failed
Mar 30 17:33:11 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, df output is? :)
Mar 30 17:33:11 <nidO> boo, gltron deps still not working right
Mar 30 17:33:19 <noobmonk3y> lol
Mar 30 17:33:23 <noobmonk3y> just rebooting :D
Mar 30 17:33:35 <ech0Asus> mmm food bbl
Mar 30 17:33:36 <MohammadAG> "how to clean screen (23)" <-- umm wipe it?
Mar 30 17:33:49 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG,  - not with used toilet paper, i hear
Mar 30 17:34:10 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, that works, according to some guy on the forum
Mar 30 17:34:15 <noobmonk3y> lol
Mar 30 17:34:36 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, may give it a change in colour though
Mar 30 17:34:37 <lcuk> MohammadAG, wipe it with what?
Mar 30 17:34:43 <noobmonk3y> hehehe
Mar 30 17:34:48 <lcuk> the entrails of your victim?
Mar 30 17:35:09 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, new healthcheck in extras devel - a few changes (and a big gap for me to fill hehe)
Mar 30 17:35:25 <MohammadAG> lcuk, a cloth?
Mar 30 17:35:27 * lcuk hunts for a working device
Mar 30 17:35:30 <nidO> gogo promote to testing
Mar 30 17:35:32 * noobmonk3y laughs
Mar 30 17:35:33 <lcuk> MohammadAG, what kind of cloth?
Mar 30 17:35:36 * MohammadAG sshs and updates
Mar 30 17:35:42 <noobmonk3y> nidO,  - wont do it till i finish the gap filling
Mar 30 17:35:55 <noobmonk3y> got code for app info (ier, rootfs fillers) - just need to use it
Mar 30 17:36:04 <noobmonk3y> ie*
Mar 30 17:36:14 <MohammadAG> lcuk, one with needles on both sides...
Mar 30 17:36:26 <Arif_> gotta love 1 hour recaps on Turkish channels.... :D
Mar 30 17:36:28 <lcuk> MohammadAG, the reason why i ask
Mar 30 17:36:30 <noobmonk3y> but moved the camera test into it's own window, and put it on the tools page
Mar 30 17:36:33 <nidO> did you find a reliable way to add info about backups? :p
Mar 30 17:36:40 * MohammadAG starts the repository refresh and gets a stop watch
Mar 30 17:36:42 <noobmonk3y> nidO, started working on that :D
Mar 30 17:36:45 <lcuk> i once completely fscked my crt monitor
Mar 30 17:36:58 <lcuk> by cleaning it a bit to vigerously with a sponge
Mar 30 17:37:11 <lcuk> it had some kind of coating :S
Mar 30 17:37:11 <MohammadAG> lcuk, oh I forgot about scratches, I use a screen protector
Mar 30 17:37:14 * RST38h guesses Extras* cleanup of the old package versions has also been marked as "lowest priority" by the maemo.org team?
Mar 30 17:37:21 <MohammadAG> I never wipe my screens
Mar 30 17:37:23 <RST38h> Other, more important things?
Mar 30 17:37:25 <noobmonk3y> i threw a 17inch crt off a 5 storey building, missing the skip, and bouncing over my bosses porsche.....
Mar 30 17:37:28 <MohammadAG> don't get them dirty in the first place
Mar 30 17:37:31 <lcuk> RST38h, old version cleanup occurs doesnt it
Mar 30 17:37:38 <lcuk> just look on packages thing for noobmonk3y
Mar 30 17:37:51 <lcuk> his is littered with cleanup thing
Mar 30 17:37:52 <RST38h> lcuk: Apparently, not often enough
Mar 30 17:37:54 <noobmonk3y> :D
Mar 30 17:37:58 <lcuk> ssince he submits a new build every time he farts
Mar 30 17:38:08 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, now why didn't I think of using \n for a new line in Description...
Mar 30 17:38:10 <lcuk> oh, sorry noobmonk3y are you there :p
Mar 30 17:38:19 <noobmonk3y> hehehe
Mar 30 17:38:20 * MohammadAG realizes he has a long way ahead of him
Mar 30 17:38:22 <lcuk> "release early, release often" is deffo your mantra
Mar 30 17:38:36 * noobmonk3y learns new things every day.... breathing was a useful one ;)
Mar 30 17:38:50 <Arif_> Nokia should do that too
Mar 30 17:38:52 <noobmonk3y> lcuk,  if you don't release alot, people loose the will to care and you get forgotton
Mar 30 17:39:04 <MohammadAG> Arif_, they forget something each day
Mar 30 17:39:25 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, of course
Mar 30 17:39:25 <Arif_> they forget to add a changelog
Mar 30 17:39:27 <Arif_> in symbianworld :p
Mar 30 17:39:30 <MohammadAG> imho updating the SDK + autobuilder without updating the device is/was stupid
Mar 30 17:39:32 <Arendtsen> Argh! Why is it that my N900 keeps using my mms connection in stead of my internet connection when I get out of wifi range?
Mar 30 17:39:50 <MohammadAG> W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG somekey maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org>
Mar 30 17:39:57 <lcuk> frals cough
Mar 30 17:39:59 <noobmonk3y> lol MohammadAG , wasnt it for developers? (Considering i do it on the device, really didnt help me)
Mar 30 17:40:14 <noobmonk3y> lots of people getting that
Mar 30 17:40:25 <Arif_> maybe they should fix ovi store if they think of the developers
Mar 30 17:40:27 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, I want to compile an app :(
Mar 30 17:40:27 <Arif_> ;P
Mar 30 17:40:38 <MohammadAG> not python based, so it wouldn't work :/
Mar 30 17:40:40 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG,  - i do it on the device :D hehe
Mar 30 17:40:47 <noobmonk3y> ahhh you picked the wrong language i say lol
Mar 30 17:40:53 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, gcc isn't there :)
Mar 30 17:40:56 <noobmonk3y> allthough c does seem to have more goodies then pymaemo
Mar 30 17:41:05 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, python doesn't need compiling :)
Mar 30 17:41:16 <noobmonk3y> aghhhhh to extras devel
Mar 30 17:41:18 <MohammadAG> interpreted language - not sure if you knew that :P
Mar 30 17:41:20 <noobmonk3y> no updates for healthchec?
Mar 30 17:41:26 <noobmonk3y> oh yes there is , i can see it in packages
Mar 30 17:41:28 <MohammadAG> updated
Mar 30 17:41:29 <noobmonk3y> grrrrrrrr
Mar 30 17:41:37 <MohammadAG> Setting up healthcheck (0.7.0-0) ...
Mar 30 17:41:41 <noobmonk3y> :(
Mar 30 17:41:47 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, you actually use HAM?
Mar 30 17:41:49 <noobmonk3y> i made the bloody thing, why can't i update!
Mar 30 17:41:52 <noobmonk3y> yeah MohammadAG
Mar 30 17:42:00 <noobmonk3y> I r no Linux geek
Mar 30 17:42:09 <Arif_> heh
Mar 30 17:42:10 <noobmonk3y> actually my total experience of linux = n900
Mar 30 17:42:11 <nidO> get out.
Mar 30 17:42:16 <Arif_> someone on the forums is asking how to pirate xD
Mar 30 17:42:22 <noobmonk3y> and i'm selling my laptop with linux lol
Mar 30 17:42:31 <noobmonk3y> lol Arif_  - go tell him to buy a parrot
Mar 30 17:42:34 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, umm, you program but don't use terminal?
Mar 30 17:42:41 * MohammadAG realizes he's the opposite of that
Mar 30 17:42:42 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG,  - i'm learning :D
Mar 30 17:43:05 <noobmonk3y> obviously had to do some to get healthcheck working ;)
Mar 30 17:43:12 <noobmonk3y> aghhh ham smells
Mar 30 17:43:22 <noobmonk3y> so what am i doing? apt-get update healthcheck?
Mar 30 17:43:24 <nidO> ham's yum
Mar 30 17:43:28 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, as root apt-get update && apt-get upgrade :)
Mar 30 17:43:36 <nidO> just to really confuse people.
Mar 30 17:43:38 <MohammadAG> apt-get update refreshes the repos
Mar 30 17:43:38 <noobmonk3y> hmmm wont that update everything?
Mar 30 17:43:44 <MohammadAG> && means do this too
Mar 30 17:43:49 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, yeah
Mar 30 17:43:55 <noobmonk3y> only want hc updated
Mar 30 17:44:03 <MohammadAG> apt-get upgrade upgrades packages
Mar 30 17:44:07 <Arif_> download the deb and install it from the filemanager :P
Mar 30 17:44:16 <MohammadAG> not sure but you might be able to do apt-get upgrade healthcheck
Mar 30 17:44:20 <MohammadAG> never tried it really...
Mar 30 17:44:35 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, oh you can apt-get --reinstall install healthcheck
Mar 30 17:44:43 <noobmonk3y> upgrading :D
Mar 30 17:44:47 <MohammadAG> == an update when there is one
Mar 30 17:45:03 <noobmonk3y> oh no
Mar 30 17:45:05 <noobmonk3y> maybe not
Mar 30 17:45:09 <noobmonk3y> that line still asked me to update all
Mar 30 17:45:15 <MohammadAG> apt locks the directories it uses, so you can't use apt-get and HAM
Mar 30 17:45:20 <MohammadAG> it shouldn't
Mar 30 17:45:24 <MohammadAG> apt-get --reinstall install
Mar 30 17:45:28 <noobmonk3y> :|
Mar 30 17:45:35 <Klowner> anyone know how to disable automatic 'apt-get update'? It's slightly annoying being all slowed down at inconvenient times
Mar 30 17:45:40 <noobmonk3y> tried apt-get upgrade healthcheck
Mar 30 17:45:59 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y,
Mar 30 17:46:08 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900-02-8:~# apt-get --reinstall install healthcheck
Mar 30 17:46:11 <MohammadAG> Reading package lists... Done
Mar 30 17:46:11 <MohammadAG> Building dependency tree
Mar 30 17:46:11 <MohammadAG> Reading state information... Done
Mar 30 17:46:11 <MohammadAG> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded
Mar 30 17:46:16 <MohammadAG> ^ see?
Mar 30 17:46:28 <lcuk> *rolleyes* http://pastebin.com/HXcKwXTK
Mar 30 17:46:38 <nidO> ofc, its worth noting that reinstall != upgrade
Mar 30 17:46:39 <noobmonk3y> yay
Mar 30 17:46:41 <noobmonk3y> worked
Mar 30 17:46:52 <noobmonk3y> well, working
Mar 30 17:46:56 <MohammadAG> more packages getting broken The following packages have unmet dependencies:
Mar 30 17:47:00 <MohammadAG>   psx4all: Depends: libhildon1 (>= 2.2.10) but 2.2.3-1+0m5 is to be installed
Mar 30 17:47:00 <MohammadAG>            Depends: libhildonmime0 (>= 2.1.5) but 2.1.3-1+0m5 is to be installed
Mar 30 17:47:10 <MohammadAG> nidO, true, but it works IF there is an upgrade
Mar 30 17:47:24 <MohammadAG> upgrades are essentially a reinstall of the newer version
Mar 30 17:47:25 <noobmonk3y> lol lcuk
Mar 30 17:47:39 * lcuk replies
Mar 30 17:47:45 <noobmonk3y> yay healthcheck looks sexy still
Mar 30 17:49:57 * noobmonk3y will brb
Mar 30 17:50:52 <Klowner> seems theres no cron, I wonder what triggers the app update check
Mar 30 17:51:24 <MohammadAG> Klowner, could be apt-worker?
Mar 30 17:51:52 <nidO> that or alarmd potentially
Mar 30 17:52:46 <MohammadAG> uninstall one by one to find out :P
Mar 30 17:52:56 <MohammadAG> (that could(?) work)
Mar 30 17:53:13 <Klowner> heh
Mar 30 17:53:18 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: NTD, new taiwan dollars
Mar 30 17:53:32 <nidO> well, removing apt-worker would surely balls up ham completely anyway
Mar 30 17:53:45 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: got another few thousand flying around here ;-)
Mar 30 17:53:47 <noobmonk3y> hmmm i think i need to work on icon buttons next
Mar 30 17:53:52 <noobmonk3y> standard ones look a bit crap
Mar 30 17:54:00 <noobmonk3y> and probably updating the tabs as you click on the tabs
Mar 30 17:54:17 <noobmonk3y> instead of update buttons on each tab
Mar 30 17:54:20 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, some tabs would make sense there
Mar 30 17:54:36 <noobmonk3y> yeah, sorry keeping tabs, but removing update buttons, and changing some to icons
Mar 30 17:54:38 <lcuk> i had some thoughts about how to handle that but i will have to ponder more
Mar 30 17:54:46 <noobmonk3y> pondering is good
Mar 30 17:54:52 <noobmonk3y> i'm assuming tabs have an onfocus command
Mar 30 17:54:55 <MohammadAG> nidO, it might remove mp-fremantle-pr-<whatever variant you have>
Mar 30 17:55:05 <noobmonk3y> so just need to remove buttons and set the focus command to run the function
Mar 30 17:55:20 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, I'm waiting for the torture stuff in healthcheck :P
Mar 30 17:55:25 <noobmonk3y> lol MohammadAG  ;)
Mar 30 17:55:35 <noobmonk3y> i want to do a 3d test, so could have some 3d torture
Mar 30 17:55:37 <MohammadAG> no, seriously :p
Mar 30 17:55:47 <noobmonk3y> oh you mean cpud stress testing?
Mar 30 17:55:50 <noobmonk3y> cpu*
Mar 30 17:55:57 <nidO> that'd be a good plan, get milkdrop running on maemo for a full 3d dsp stress test
Mar 30 17:55:59 <nidO> \o/
Mar 30 17:56:03 <noobmonk3y> or just the n900 grows legs n kicks you in the balls?
Mar 30 17:56:10 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, execute all .desktop files :)
Mar 30 17:56:13 <lcuk> nidO, people are already looking at milkdrop
Mar 30 17:56:16 <noobmonk3y> lol MohammadAG  - hehehe, yeah
Mar 30 17:56:17 <lcuk> its in original gl tho
Mar 30 17:56:17 <MohammadAG> ouch
Mar 30 17:56:34 <noobmonk3y> havnt figured out opengl yet
Mar 30 18:06:08 <Cazou> Hey, I'm interrested in the Answering machine GSoC :)
Mar 30 18:06:44 <lcuk> I'm sorry, theres no-one on IRC to take you call right now, Please leave a message and someone will get back to you.
Mar 30 18:06:49 <noobmonk3y> ;)
Mar 30 18:07:34 <Cazou> I did not hear any beeeeeeeeeeep
Mar 30 18:07:56 <lcuk> *deadpan* beep
Mar 30 18:08:00 <Xisdibik> message:  Hey lcuk, you suck, I wish you were here to solve my problems, but instead I must resort to this bottle.  Anyways call me back, bye"
Mar 30 18:08:12 <Shapeshifter> what does maemo use for file associations? Just /usr/share/applications/defaults.list? No xdg-mime? or gconf?
Mar 30 18:08:24 <lcuk> Xisdibik, which bottle, and are you sharing
Mar 30 18:08:44 <Xisdibik> lcuk, A bottle of rootbeer, and no, its all mine!
Mar 30 18:08:51 <lcuk> ahh hthats ok
Mar 30 18:08:55 <lcuk> you can keep the rootbeer
Mar 30 18:09:11 <Xisdibik> im at work, dont think they would appreciate me drinking booze :)
Mar 30 18:10:27 <hrw> have a nice rest of day
Mar 30 18:10:50 <RST38h> http://gizmodo.com/5505499/female-terrorists-explosive-breast-implants
Mar 30 18:10:59 <RST38h> Oh yessss
Mar 30 18:11:59 <Cazou> Xisdibik: I'm in Belgium, which beer do you want ? :D
Mar 30 18:12:52 <Xisdibik> RST38h, im applying right now to be an "inspector" for women at airports
Mar 30 18:13:15 <Xisdibik> Cazou, the most delicious one :)
Mar 30 18:14:06 <corecode> anybody else not seeing a reject button on horizontal phone + orange theme?
Mar 30 18:14:46 <delor> hello, is there a way to fix GPG error for extras repository?
Mar 30 18:16:10 <Cazou> Xisdibik: that's.... vague !
Mar 30 18:16:51 <corecode> delor: on the phone?
Mar 30 18:17:07 <Xisdibik> Cazou, indeed
Mar 30 18:17:48 <delor> corecode: yes
Mar 30 18:19:40 <corecode> hm
Mar 30 18:19:45 <corecode> didn't have problems
Mar 30 18:19:50 <corecode> have problems on the sdk
Mar 30 18:19:53 <corecode> for any package
Mar 30 18:25:29 <Cazou> So, I'm recording the message : "Dear developpers, would you be kind enough to "Cazou :" me when you are available to talk about this answering machine ?"
Mar 30 18:26:34 <lcuk> Cazou, haha it was intended as a joke
Mar 30 18:26:43 <lcuk> ok, do you have an idea how to implement it
Mar 30 18:26:53 <lcuk> and think its achievable for your skills
Mar 30 18:33:40 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: where's your wikipages on hw? the friggin wiki is impossible to navigate :-/
Mar 30 18:34:09 <SpeedEvil> category n900 hardware
Mar 30 18:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: where would you add bq24150 ?  :-D
Mar 30 18:36:40 <SpeedEvil> n900_hardware_battery_meter
Mar 30 18:37:23 <SpeedEvil> and add that to the n900_hardware catgory
Mar 30 18:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, not exactly meter -  N1140 USB battery charger :-DDD
Mar 30 18:38:13 <SpeedEvil> ah
Mar 30 18:38:32 <SpeedEvil> n900_hardware_battery_charger?
Mar 30 18:38:47 <DocScrutinizer> now we're absolutely sure what we got to cope with. bq27200 meter, and bq25150a charger
Mar 30 18:39:00 <SpeedEvil> no strong views as long as it's in the hw category
Mar 30 18:39:04 <SpeedEvil> neat
Mar 30 18:39:09 <SpeedEvil> thanks!
Mar 30 18:39:31 <DocScrutinizer> btw my board revision is identical to the one in schematics (without the 'A' suffix)
Mar 30 18:40:01 <SpeedEvil> intersting!
Mar 30 18:40:05 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: Stskeeps ^^^
Mar 30 18:40:57 <DocScrutinizer> also no visible diffs between board and photo
Mar 30 18:41:53 <SpeedEvil> the sd daughterboard mislead me
Mar 30 18:42:29 <digitalstimulus> hello all
Mar 30 18:43:20 <DocScrutinizer> WAAAAH the sd storage card daughterboard - the FPC is integral part of the main PCB
Mar 30 18:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> break that flimsy crap and get a new device :-((
Mar 30 18:43:53 <digitalstimulus> does anyone know if maemo mapper 3.x can be installed on n810 diablo?
Mar 30 18:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart the EE designing such crap
Mar 30 18:44:44 * infobot lowers the EE designing such crap's priority
Mar 30 18:44:58 <DocScrutinizer> try again!
Mar 30 18:44:59 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart the EE designing such crap
Mar 30 18:44:59 * infobot pours hot grits down the front of the EE designing such crap's pants
Mar 30 18:45:24 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, this is a mp device?
Mar 30 18:45:30 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Mar 30 18:46:17 <DocScrutinizer> if they didn't ship a PV model to me ;-P
Mar 30 18:47:33 <DocScrutinizer> one of the four mech posts of USB receptacle looks poorly soldered :-/
Mar 30 18:47:33 <SpeedEvil> you got pics to srick on wiki?
Mar 30 18:47:43 <DocScrutinizer> in a moment
Mar 30 18:48:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict srick
Mar 30 18:48:45 <infobot> could not find definition for srick
Mar 30 18:48:58 <SpeedEvil> stick
Mar 30 18:49:08 <DocScrutinizer> duh, need a tea
Mar 30 18:49:30 * ShadowJK considers rigging initscripts to strace bme from boot
Mar 30 18:49:48 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: cool idea
Mar 30 18:49:52 * SpeedEvil passes DocScrutinizer a 10base2 
Mar 30 18:49:54 <SpeedEvil> T
Mar 30 18:50:32 <DocScrutinizer> 10BT? I'd prefer a freshly brewed one
Mar 30 18:50:33 <SpeedEvil> init=strace -f /bin/init
Mar 30 18:50:50 <DocScrutinizer> gnnhrhrhrr
Mar 30 18:51:02 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, just bme, the output would fit on rootfs
Mar 30 18:51:56 <SpeedEvil> I have that logging daemon installed - the research one. straced from day 1
Mar 30 18:56:44 <jaem_n900> 'afternoon
Mar 30 18:57:47 <jaem_n900> does anyone know off-hand how to manually restart the messaging framework on Fremantle?  There's a bug that keeps manifesting periodically which goes away with a reboot, but reboots are annoying
Mar 30 18:58:08 <jaem_n900> I'm referring to RTCOM, or whatever they call it
Mar 30 18:58:21 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq24150
Mar 30 18:59:00 <Cazou> lcuk: I wasn't sure on the level of the joke
Mar 30 18:59:03 <Cazou> but anyway
Mar 30 18:59:10 <DocScrutinizer> making battery go 'BOOM' definitely is a hard exercise via software
Mar 30 18:59:16 <jaem_n900> haha
Mar 30 18:59:19 <Cazou> It totally fits my skills
Mar 30 18:59:21 <jaem_n900> and good thing, too
Mar 30 18:59:38 <DocScrutinizer> also I really wonder wtf could be NDS-worthy in BME
Mar 30 18:59:38 <Cazou> at least gstreamer-wise
Mar 30 18:59:45 <DocScrutinizer> NDA
Mar 30 19:00:01 <Cazou> the only maemo version i used is on the N810
Mar 30 19:00:26 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, so we have an awesome charge meter, which is unused?
Mar 30 19:00:46 <Cazou> and i'm not really familiar with scratchbox (I have bad memories trying to compile Qt)
Mar 30 19:00:48 <DocScrutinizer> bq27200? dunno if it's used or not
Mar 30 19:02:17 <Cazou> lcuk: I worked on 3 projects so far, all Three being Qt applications and I'd like to see the rest of the world
Mar 30 19:02:54 <Cazou> But I have questions
Mar 30 19:03:33 <Cazou> first, do I have to have a recent maemo device ?
Mar 30 19:03:56 <Stskeeps> luke-jr_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48738
Mar 30 19:04:23 <Cazou> I'm not sure i can install maemo5 on the N810
Mar 30 19:04:57 <Stskeeps> you can't
Mar 30 19:05:15 <Cazou> so if simulation is enough, that would be great (I plan on buying the next Nokia smartphone but, it won't be in my hand for the GSoC :p)
Mar 30 19:06:25 <Cazou> Also, should the work be done for maemo or meego ? what's common to both ?
Mar 30 19:12:52 <style> hi, is there way to mark all emails as read?
Mar 30 19:13:01 <style> ctrl+a doesn't work =(
Mar 30 19:15:17 <jaem_n900> style, I don't think so
Mar 30 19:15:32 <jaem_n900> it also doesn't have a search function :/
Mar 30 19:15:34 <jaem_n900> sorry
Mar 30 19:16:01 <style> :\
Mar 30 19:18:09 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, hmm. do the debug pads match the photo on your decice? because they don't on mine.
Mar 30 19:29:57 <hrw> someone know how to remove internet connection from n900? it is not listed in settings->itnernet connections
Mar 30 19:33:37 <wolf^> hrw, ifconfig, ifup, ifdown may work
Mar 30 19:34:36 <toggles_w> hrw: /etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/system/osso/connectivity/IAP holds all the known connections
Mar 30 19:35:20 <hrw> thx toggles_w
Mar 30 19:35:45 <toggles_w> no worries mate, took me ages to find it so I could port my IAP's from n810 to n900 ;-)
Mar 30 19:36:40 <hrw> btw - I hate n900 implementation of WPS support
Mar 30 19:36:52 <toggles_w> sory, can't help you... ;-)
Mar 30 19:37:15 <Shapeshifter> What do you think, how many projects will maemo carry this time in gsoc?
Mar 30 19:37:31 <hrw> 3
Mar 30 19:38:54 <Shapeshifter> hrw: I see. That's not many ;)
Mar 30 19:39:24 * Shapeshifter is taking a guess, that some sort of google services api proposal will sure be in.
Mar 30 19:39:43 <hrw> and nearly nothing interested will be there
Mar 30 19:39:58 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, Oh one thing, on the schematics the BSI stuff is interfacing with one of the cellular chips.. rapuyama? Maybe that's what's "secret" in bme
Mar 30 19:40:19 <Shapeshifter> hrw: nothing interested?
Mar 30 19:40:25 <ShadowJK> Not that bme seems to do anything sensible with the BSI line anyway
Mar 30 19:40:53 <hrw> nothing interesting I meant
Mar 30 19:41:08 <Shapeshifter> hrw: among the project? why do think?
Mar 30 19:41:55 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK, the cellmo will have a direct bat connection prolly.
Mar 30 19:42:30 <hrw> good thing to write would be calendar app which could be compared to Agendus/(PalmOS, WinMo, UIQ) or WinMo advanced ones
Mar 30 19:43:13 <hrw> Shapeshifter: but google prefers people to use web browser + google calendar and nokia does not care about calendar users
Mar 30 19:43:56 <toggles_w> hrw: did you finr your iap?
Mar 30 19:44:21 <hrw> toggles_w: nope
Mar 30 19:44:55 <Shapeshifter> hrw: ah you meant about the google api. mh, possibly
Mar 30 19:45:06 <toggles_w> hrw: http://tommywatson.com/iap is what I use to search, tweak the dir var at the top
Mar 30 19:45:30 <MohammadAG> why oh why isn't there an apt-get dist-downgrade
Mar 30 19:45:37 <hrw> Shapeshifter: no, I mean in total
Mar 30 19:46:23 <ShadowJK> oh wow, 80-84% charger efficiency at 1200mA input
Mar 30 19:47:49 <hrw> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 shows how crap Nokia devteam is
Mar 30 19:47:51 <povbot> Bug 5786: "Wi-Fi Protected Setup" doesn't work, is not optional, and is used when disabled.
Mar 30 19:51:23 <hrw> fucking morons
Mar 30 19:53:29 <MohammadAG> hrw|gone, lol that was my first problem when i got the N900
Mar 30 19:53:50 <MohammadAG> I just set it up manually
Mar 30 19:54:01 <iPeter-> Hi. I got a D-Link Dir-300 wlan box and Nokia N900. When i search for wifi, it shows it on list, but when i try to connect it gives some "easy" connect system and asks to push some button from wifi station and press done. How do i connect to that wifi normally, because i cant find any button from that wifi station.
Mar 30 19:54:14 <hrw|gone> iPeter-: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5786
Mar 30 19:54:15 <povbot> Bug 5786: "Wi-Fi Protected Setup" doesn't work, is not optional, and is used when disabled.
Mar 30 19:54:17 <Shapeshifter> speak of the devil
Mar 30 19:54:41 <hrw|gone> iPeter-: sending curses into nokia direction helps
Mar 30 19:54:52 <ryokale> iPeter-: i have dir-655 and the button i found was in the administration web page
Mar 30 19:55:23 <iPeter-> ryokale: I cant access to that page :/
Mar 30 19:55:23 <ryokale> though the phone i used to try this was N00
Mar 30 19:55:35 <ryokale> how come?
Mar 30 19:55:56 <iPeter-> I dont have any device to connect on that wlan so i could access to that loginpage :D
Mar 30 19:56:11 <ryokale> :D
Mar 30 19:56:12 <ryokale> ok
Mar 30 19:56:19 <iPeter-> hrw|gone: So i cant disable that "easysetup" thing?
Mar 30 19:56:26 <iPeter-> ryokale: Fin?
Mar 30 19:56:49 <ryokale> yep
Mar 30 19:56:53 <toggles_w>  iPeter-: no, you have to set it up manually through te settings->connections
Mar 30 19:56:58 <nidO> iPeter- just setup the connection manually
Mar 30 19:57:03 <iPeter-> okay
Mar 30 19:57:07 <iPeter-> Thanks
Mar 30 19:58:09 <ShadowJK> charger chip's i2c address 0x6b..
Mar 30 20:01:11 <ShadowJK> bme has /dev/i2c-2 opened twice.. once for charger and once for meter chip?
Mar 30 20:07:18 <Shapeshifter> hrw|gone: but, btw, doesn't the community / community-council decide over participations? I thought it's the community project that applied in gsoc.
Mar 30 20:10:41 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, the charger chip can operate in reverse and boost battery voltage to +5.05V on vbus? :P
Mar 30 20:13:00 <iPeter-> Really, thanks for the wifi tip, have been few months on 3G even at home. :>
Mar 30 20:13:24 <GAN900> Shapeshifter, council has no direct authority over the GSoC
Mar 30 20:13:41 <GAN900> Shapeshifter, council serves a facilitation role, primarily.
Mar 30 20:13:58 <Shapeshifter> GAN900: "free slaves" principle, ehh
Mar 30 20:17:00 <iPeter-> I need a tip. Whats easiest way to open a link in a new window?
Mar 30 20:17:12 <iPeter-> Device: Nokia N900
Mar 30 20:17:47 <SpeedEvil> what software
Mar 30 20:18:09 <iPeter-> MicroB
Mar 30 20:18:21 <petteri> hold your finger on the link for couple of seconds
Mar 30 20:18:26 <SpeedEvil> hold on link
Mar 30 20:18:33 <SpeedEvil> select open ...
Mar 30 20:18:33 <iPeter-> Yeah, but it doesnt "grey" that link :<
Mar 30 20:18:46 <SpeedEvil> ?
Mar 30 20:18:57 <SpeedEvil> js may not do that
Mar 30 20:19:13 <iPeter-> ie. On googles page, i see a link what i want to open a new window. It doesnt "grab" it..
Mar 30 20:24:48 <microlith> man, I hope PR1.2 fixes the media player
Mar 30 20:24:53 <microlith> so very broken
Mar 30 20:29:47 <GAN900> Don't expect any miracles. . . .
Mar 30 20:30:04 <microlith> certainly not
Mar 30 20:30:24 <microlith> I just want it to not "lose" albums
Mar 30 20:30:29 <ShadowJK> I would especially not expect fixes to things where the "bugs" are in the specification
Mar 30 20:31:14 <Xisdibik> microlith, what bugs are hounding you in Media Player?
Mar 30 20:31:38 <microlith> Xisdibik: well for example, I just added two albums to my device
Mar 30 20:31:44 <GAN900> ShadowJK, gotta love Nokia.
Mar 30 20:32:02 <microlith> those albums are by an artist I already had on the device, but went to the wrong spot
Mar 30 20:32:15 <microlith> so the album tha twas there is no longer visible
Mar 30 20:32:21 <microlith> I moved them
Mar 30 20:32:25 <microlith> it's still not visible
Mar 30 20:32:45 <Xisdibik> strange, not that ive tried what you did, but ive had no issue like that
Mar 30 20:32:48 <microlith> I can totally believe it's because they're unicode artist/album titles
Mar 30 20:33:02 <microlith> since the media player is wholly incompetent in dealing with it
Mar 30 20:33:23 <ShadowJK> unicode is quite a beast :D
Mar 30 20:34:29 <microlith> I suppose, but I'd have thought that sorting a list was a solved problem
Mar 30 20:35:12 <X-Fade> Does anybody see a gpg error for Extras on fremantle?
Mar 30 20:35:22 <ShadowJK> Like, should 'this' be sorted same as  ’ｔｈｉｓ’, should the be considered equal (==)?
Mar 30 20:35:39 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: I've read similar sentence in overview. Need to check the whole datasheet
Mar 30 20:35:49 <Shapeshifter> ShadowJK: those are different characters
Mar 30 20:36:05 <ShadowJK> Shapeshifter, yes but they say the same thing and look the same
Mar 30 20:36:07 <microlith> ShadowJK: well, I'm more dealing with CJK character sets
Mar 30 20:36:10 <ShadowJK> except one is doublewidth and one isn't
Mar 30 20:36:27 <DocScrutinizer> but now for the photos(scans, then for dinner. Priorities :-P
Mar 30 20:36:32 <ShadowJK> :D
Mar 30 20:36:51 <microlith> I'd forgive the sluggishness of the song list load if I could at least get an "in directory order" list
Mar 30 20:37:20 <ShadowJK> directory order... like, inode order? :)
Mar 30 20:37:31 <microlith> sure, why not
Mar 30 20:37:43 <aep> ummm where is the pipe on the keyboard of the n900? oO
Mar 30 20:37:47 <microlith> it'd make more sense than the borderline random sort I get now :)
Mar 30 20:37:55 <ShadowJK> aep, sym
Mar 30 20:37:58 <Xisdibik> aep, no, sorry, you will have to smoke using something else
Mar 30 20:38:24 <aep> ShadowJK: sym ... and then?
Mar 30 20:38:35 <ShadowJK> pick pipe from the popup
Mar 30 20:38:38 <Xisdibik> aep, click the pipe? :D
Mar 30 20:38:43 <aep> aah
Mar 30 20:38:50 <aep> thanks
Mar 30 20:38:52 <dmj726_n9001> Are there any good image processing libraries available for the n900?
Mar 30 20:39:57 <Pavel> Is it just me, or does gPodder always use 100% CPU when downloading podcasts?
Mar 30 20:40:01 <lcuk> dmj726_n9001, gimp
Mar 30 20:40:23 <ShadowJK> Pavel, measured how?
Mar 30 20:42:43 <Shapeshifter> btw, is there a way to see how many times a package has been downloaded from extras-devel?
Mar 30 20:44:04 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/
Mar 30 20:44:11 <Pavel> ShadowJK: Now that I look at it, it might be gst-video-thumbnailerd that's doing it --- perhaps "thumbnailing" the videos as they are being downloaded. I'll double-check.
Mar 30 20:44:13 <ShadowJK> Pavel, 50-60% idle for me, though I don't know what cpu speed that's at :)
Mar 30 20:46:02 <ShadowJK> your camera has focus issues :)
Mar 30 20:46:24 <ShadowJK> ah, gets better
Mar 30 20:49:52 <DocScrutinizer> bye buggers
Mar 30 21:01:57 <N900evil> hmm
Mar 30 21:02:45 <N900evil> microb deals poorly with largee scanned images
Mar 30 21:02:48 <N900evil> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/n900_01.jpeg
Mar 30 21:07:48 <ptl> so.
Mar 30 21:08:03 <ptl> The updates on the N900 are locked, thus chat on this channel is also locked?
Mar 30 21:08:40 <Lynoure> ptl: Clearly not.
Mar 30 21:09:59 <Goliath23> hi
Mar 30 21:10:52 <Goliath23> is there a release date for PR1.2 for the n900 yet?
Mar 30 21:11:31 <ShadowJK> No, Nokia does not announce the date of firmware updates in advance.
Mar 30 21:11:40 <Goliath23> ah. okay
Mar 30 21:11:58 <frals> lcuk: cough!
Mar 30 21:12:04 <ds3> so.... are there any other mail clients besides modest and claws?
Mar 30 21:12:26 <lcuk> frals, :D
Mar 30 21:12:28 <lcuk> hiya dude
Mar 30 21:12:33 <frals> o/
Mar 30 21:12:40 <lcuk> hen i coughed it was after someone said his fmms was borking system
Mar 30 21:13:05 <frals> oh
Mar 30 21:13:21 <frals> no new reply on t.m.o so i assume it wasnt that serious ;o
Mar 30 21:13:38 <ds3> any change that fmms can be enhanced to remember the current connection; disconnect; connect to the right APN; get MMS; and restore original connection?
Mar 30 21:13:50 <ds3> s/change/chance/
Mar 30 21:13:51 <infobot> ds3 meant: any chance that fmms can be enhanced to remember the current connection; disconnect; connect to the right APN; get MMS; and restore original connection?
Mar 30 21:14:33 <frals> it *could* but its pretty disruptive to force a disconnection and the api docs explicitly say "dont use this in your application" so ehh yaeh
Mar 30 21:14:42 <ds3> Oh
Mar 30 21:15:00 <ds3> it is very annoying having to manually manage the connection shuffling
Mar 30 21:15:19 <ds3> esp. when I am already on WiFi at the moment ;)
Mar 30 21:15:32 <frals> if you enable experimental mode it *should* autoconnect
Mar 30 21:15:59 <frals> might/might not work thou and might make the phone unable to get a gprs connection up afterwards until a reboot
Mar 30 21:16:14 <frals> not that ive ever had that happen in actual use
Mar 30 21:16:32 <ds3> how do I enable experimental mode?
Mar 30 21:17:04 <frals> get 0.5.4 and just open configuration
Mar 30 21:17:34 <ds3> where do I get 0.5.4? I have 0.5.3 but that's downloaded via the app mgr
Mar 30 21:17:48 <frals> uh i uploaded it yesterday
Mar 30 21:17:55 <frals> http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms
Mar 30 21:18:02 <ds3> so I should refresh my list, I take it
Mar 30 21:18:35 <frals> dunno hasnt showed up on my device either, might be something fubar with repos or what not
Mar 30 21:18:42 <frals> either way i gotta head back to bed
Mar 30 21:18:51 <ds3> oh okay... thanks
Mar 30 21:19:33 <frals> basically you can enable it in 0.5.3 with gconftool-2 -s /apps/fmms/exp --type int 1 or something similar
Mar 30 21:20:02 <ds3> I'll try to get 0.5.4
Mar 30 21:20:08 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, wait, did you identify a "bq24150" on your N900? Because the L3&L4 manual says bq21450
Mar 30 21:20:59 <ShadowJK> oh nevermind, elsewhere in the manual it says bq24150
Mar 30 21:26:32 <jacekowski> http://mybfolder.org/albums/userpics/10001/7752_4a59.jpeg
Mar 30 21:29:54 <anotnac> u[dates in devel have stopped showing in app manager for many people
Mar 30 21:30:02 <anotnac> *updates
Mar 30 21:30:27 <ptl> yep
Mar 30 21:30:27 <SpeedEvil> for all AIUI
Mar 30 21:30:38 <ptl> probably to prepare for PR1.2
Mar 30 21:30:39 <SpeedEvil> till 1.2 release
Mar 30 21:30:52 <ptl> it's gonna be april 1
Mar 30 21:31:00 <ptl> simultaneous with Meego Day 1
Mar 30 21:31:02 <ptl> it has to be
Mar 30 21:31:22 <SpeedEvil> or Jan 14 in uk
Mar 30 21:31:36 <ptl> Jan 14 2011?
Mar 30 21:33:06 <anotnac> there is rumours pr 1.2 is not ready started by jussi with these comments on twitter lol http://twitter.com/luovanto
Mar 30 21:35:28 <ptl> how can't it be ready if the packages are already into the SDK?
Mar 30 21:35:55 <SpeedEvil> ptl, delays for 1.1.1 firmware was over a month
Mar 30 21:36:34 <ptl> :(
Mar 30 21:37:22 * noobmonk3y aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh's
Mar 30 21:37:51 <anotnac> it cant be too long away if it id decision to update everything early for pr 1.2 was very bad move
Mar 30 21:38:11 <Shapeshifter> why do people care so much about update release dates
Mar 30 21:38:24 <ptl> because we want it to be soon
Mar 30 21:38:28 <ptl> we want to plan
Mar 30 21:38:29 <Shapeshifter> what is the point. you're just making yourself more stressed out. chill.
Mar 30 21:38:40 <ptl> since our N900 is an integral part of our life, as a productivity gadget
Mar 30 21:38:41 <Shapeshifter> sip on a cup of tea or something.
Mar 30 21:38:51 <anotnac> why do ppl care about the gym
Mar 30 21:39:07 <Shapeshifter> ptl: sorry to break it to you, but pr1.2. isn't going to improve your life all that much.
Mar 30 21:39:11 <anotnac> to better what they have
Mar 30 21:40:58 <SpeedEvil> updated 1.2 means extras is not stalled
Mar 30 21:41:06 <ptl> Shapeshifter: I am convinced otherwise, specially now that I'll be only able to update my apps cleanly after the PR1.2 migration
Mar 30 21:41:18 <SpeedEvil> which is probably more important to me.
Mar 30 21:41:21 <Shapeshifter> ptl: so, it's gonna be soon
Mar 30 21:41:23 <ptl> yes!
Mar 30 21:41:33 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: you got a point
Mar 30 21:42:08 <Shapeshifter> but looking at the list, I don't spot any brilliant changes
Mar 30 21:42:10 <Shapeshifter> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2
Mar 30 21:46:06 <anotnac> did nokia not offer senior community members opportunity to beta test this time like PR 1.1
Mar 30 21:46:08 <nidO> bug 8043 is fixed, so im happy
Mar 30 21:46:10 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8043 AVI Streaming  broken. Local playback works fine.
Mar 30 21:47:10 <Shapeshifter> just brings it back to my mind how utterly stupid releases are
Mar 30 21:47:25 <Shapeshifter> rolling release ftw.
Mar 30 21:53:14 <SpeedEvil> rolling has its own issues
Mar 30 21:55:07 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: main issue with rolling is that you're more or less supposed ot ideally update regularly. risk of breakage/annoyance increases the longer the intervals between updates, basically. but on a device like the n900 - in contrary to a server - you can practically update every day without any problem.
Mar 30 21:55:40 <SpeedEvil> not on all devices.
Mar 30 21:56:33 <SpeedEvil> I want to be able to schedule. At times downloading a new patch to blocks - say - could be expensive.
Mar 30 21:57:00 <ptl> that's why we need to know PR release dates
Mar 30 21:57:04 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: updating once every two weeks would still be more then enough
Mar 30 21:57:04 <SpeedEvil> also - each config gets _lots_ less testing for issues than a release
Mar 30 21:57:44 <SpeedEvil> which has its own costs if it leads to users contacting nokia/...
Mar 30 21:57:49 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: why would a whole config need testing. also, testing should be automated if the developers did some proper engineering beforehand
Mar 30 21:58:47 <SpeedEvil> because sometimes seemingly unrelated stuff can bork the device experience.
Mar 30 21:58:52 <Shapeshifter> like that avi streaming bug. apparently worked in internal version in january. nidO needed to wait 3 months to profit.
Mar 30 22:00:08 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: well I'm starting to troll here, but seemingly unrelated stuff should be unrelated. if it's still related, that relation should be obvious and documented. ;)
Mar 30 22:00:38 <SpeedEvil> but it's not on a resource constrained device.
Mar 30 22:01:34 <SpeedEvil> working out if foo update touches bar's files is trivial.
Mar 30 22:03:06 <SpeedEvil> working out if foo update that changes it to call baz, not bar, and use more cpu when changing desktops causing sound to stutter for people making skype calls over PAN - say - is hard.
Mar 30 22:03:43 <ShadowJK> hm, does fmtx widget know yet how to scan for empty frequencies?
Mar 30 22:05:19 <SpeedEvil> no.
Mar 30 22:05:25 <SpeedEvil> :/
Mar 30 22:06:08 <ShadowJK> the fmtx driver seems to support it
Mar 30 22:06:19 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: that may be true, but if it's a non-critical update (i.e. just about some video streaming, and not essential connectivity/battery-charging/bootloader/whatever) a package can be released after little testing, as protest will quickly arise and be documented by the users and the devs can react. in any case, it's much more agile. I'd say, more most things, except the core (bootloader and that), releasing updates when they're ...
Mar 30 22:06:25 <Shapeshifter> ... ready is simply much more efficient and profitable for everyone.
Mar 30 22:06:36 <ShadowJK> Though the chip allegedly also able to automatically choose free freuqencies, support for that doesn't seem to exist in the driver
Mar 30 22:07:04 <SpeedEvil> rolling with a beta testers program would work
Mar 30 22:07:28 <SpeedEvil> so you could opt in for earl
Mar 30 22:07:35 <SpeedEvil> 2 week earlier
Mar 30 22:12:15 <Shapeshifter> also a good idea, yeah.
Mar 30 22:29:49 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: positively bq24150a
Mar 30 22:30:01 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq24150
Mar 30 22:39:03 <C-S-B> Everyone(this is OT) Ive an interview for a linux/win hosting company etc tomorrow.They are going to give me a technical exam. Anyone have any ideas  what it might invole?
Mar 30 22:39:23 <C-S-B> I'm at a loss as to what to 'revise'
Mar 30 22:39:38 <SpeedEvil> what do they do
Mar 30 22:39:57 <SpeedEvil> what might customers ask or want from you
Mar 30 22:40:04 <C-S-B> http://www.redtechnology.com/
Mar 30 22:40:05 <jacekowski> where i can buy nokia headphones
Mar 30 22:40:07 <jacekowski> for n900
Mar 30 22:40:13 <jacekowski> and what's a part number for them?
Mar 30 22:40:13 <C-S-B> ecommerce
Mar 30 22:40:46 <jacekowski> is it wh-205?
Mar 30 22:42:19 <ShadowJK> C-S-B, what position are you interviewing for?
Mar 30 22:42:43 * haltdef strangles built in media player
Mar 30 22:43:03 <C-S-B> IT Systems Engineer / Web Systems Engineer
Mar 30 22:43:42 <jacekowski> hosting company
Mar 30 22:44:04 <ShadowJK> Knowing apache and php setup in and out would probably help, i guess
Mar 30 22:44:07 <jacekowski> most likely - perl/python/bash or other kind of scripting
Mar 30 22:44:42 <range> Deployment, non disruptive updates, troubleshooting basics. Maybe a scripting test. Depends on if someone in the hiring process has ever been at google et al :)
Mar 30 22:45:06 <range> Those tend to ask the strange questions.
Mar 30 22:46:03 <jacekowski> well
Mar 30 22:46:11 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: DO NOT buy original N900 headset! It's crap, and you get a zillion better ones for less
Mar 30 22:46:18 <C-S-B> perl/php is desirable.
Mar 30 22:46:39 <jacekowski> C-S-B: you are applying for a position ad red technology?
Mar 30 22:46:47 <C-S-B> yeah
Mar 30 22:46:50 <jacekowski> hmm
Mar 30 22:47:00 <jacekowski> Location: http://www.redtechnology.com
Mar 30 22:47:00 <jacekowski> Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
Mar 30 22:47:01 <jacekowski> X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
Mar 30 22:47:08 <C-S-B> well im there tomorrow for an interview
Mar 30 22:47:30 <jacekowski> it seems they are windows based
Mar 30 22:47:32 <C-S-B> Yeah, I think they're an ms shop with some linux solutions
Mar 30 22:48:10 <jacekowski> and they say nothing about linux
Mar 30 22:48:43 <jacekowski> and it's hard to tell who you will be speaking to
Mar 30 22:49:06 <C-S-B> they do mention it, but briefly.
Mar 30 22:49:23 <C-S-B> they want bind and postfix knowledge.
Mar 30 22:49:28 <jacekowski> if you will end up with stupid recruitment bloke that knows fuck all about what company is doing and he's just comparing your answers to what he have prepared
Mar 30 22:49:33 <nidO> C-S-B: bind is easy
Mar 30 22:49:36 <C-S-B> and explicitly state linux
Mar 30 22:49:45 <nidO> just reading up, also
Mar 30 22:49:47 <C-S-B> i know bind enough.
Mar 30 22:49:49 <jacekowski> nidO: don't underestimate it
Mar 30 22:49:59 <nidO> I dont, i've been working with it for 10 years
Mar 30 22:50:00 <C-S-B> but i know it can get deep
Mar 30 22:50:01 <jacekowski> nidO: basic DNS setup is simple
Mar 30 22:50:24 <nidO> C-S-B: which host?
Mar 30 22:50:34 <C-S-B> http://www.redtechnology.com/
Mar 30 22:50:39 <jacekowski> nidO: it's more DNS system rather than bind - but still - i would expect people to know it
Mar 30 22:51:47 <nidO> shame they use postfix though
Mar 30 22:51:58 <C-S-B> why?
Mar 30 22:52:10 <nidO> at least it's not qmail though I guess
Mar 30 22:52:15 <jacekowski> exim sucks
Mar 30 22:52:19 <jacekowski> and qmail isn't MTA
Mar 30 22:52:37 <jacekowski> qmail is a program pretending to be MTA
Mar 30 22:52:39 <nidO> well yeah it is, its just a dreadful one
Mar 30 22:52:53 <jacekowski> nidO: it doesn't comply to standards
Mar 30 22:53:01 <nidO> ofc it doesnt, because it's dreadful.
Mar 30 22:53:24 <jacekowski> and that doesn't leave you with many alternatives
Mar 30 22:53:31 <nidO> exim's perfectly good
Mar 30 22:53:41 <jacekowski> oh god
Mar 30 22:53:45 <jacekowski> don't even use that name
Mar 30 22:53:49 <C-S-B> well thanks for giving me some ideas
Mar 30 22:54:08 <C-S-B> i think it might be easy since its win...
Mar 30 22:54:21 <C-S-B> i know subnetting and networking
Mar 30 22:54:26 <nidO> depends what kind of knowledge they want and what you have
Mar 30 22:54:33 <jacekowski> C-S-B: really?
Mar 30 22:54:36 <range> C-S-B: Normally they want to look if you can think outside the box a bit.
Mar 30 22:54:38 <jacekowski> C-S-B: what do you know about routing
Mar 30 22:54:40 <C-S-B> etc, thats a usual thig they ask
Mar 30 22:54:47 <nidO> complex iis/ad/.net management is more complicated than keeping an apache system running
Mar 30 22:54:47 <ptl> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Mar 30 22:54:58 <ptl> there IS wpasupplicant on easy-debian
Mar 30 22:55:06 <C-S-B> well, room to learn.
Mar 30 22:55:11 <ptl> could I connect to a WPA2/LEAP AP using it?
Mar 30 22:55:20 <ptl> because the N900 does not support LEAP natively
Mar 30 22:55:37 <C-S-B> jacekowski, how are you asking that.
Mar 30 22:55:45 <C-S-B> in what tone?
Mar 30 22:56:24 <nidO> any idea what kind of level of infrastructure redtechnology have?
Mar 30 22:56:25 <jacekowski> in tone of making you aware that there is still lot to learn
Mar 30 22:56:41 <C-S-B> i know.
Mar 30 22:57:03 <jacekowski> but as nidO mentioned - gather knowledge about them
Mar 30 22:57:10 <jacekowski> so you can learn about what they use
Mar 30 22:57:27 <C-S-B> thats what ive been doing, i appreciate the hep guys.
Mar 30 22:57:37 <nidO> they seem to have a fairly substantial network of their own, so theyre probably going to want someone in a systems engineer role to know switches and routers pretty much in and out
Mar 30 22:58:17 <C-S-B> nidO, hows it compare to what you do?
Mar 30 22:58:30 <jacekowski> jacekowski:~# nc filter1.mail.redtech.net.uk. 25
Mar 30 22:58:30 <jacekowski> 220 filter1.mail.redtech.net.uk ESMTP PureD-SpamFilter
Mar 30 22:58:33 <C-S-B> ive usually been a win/linux server admin
Mar 30 22:58:53 <C-S-B> and network admin
Mar 30 22:59:00 <jacekowski> C-S-B: emm, cisco switches and routers
Mar 30 22:59:16 <jacekowski> everything else tries to replicate cisco interface
Mar 30 22:59:20 <nidO> I don't need to deal with backbone/border routers much as theyre handled by our colocation providers, our technical involvement starts at our switches in our racks
Mar 30 22:59:44 <nidO> red seem to have their own peering and border routers so youll probably want to know ios pretty well
Mar 30 22:59:49 <C-S-B> i dont know cisco, but I have my gf's uncle who is high up there and can get me docs.
Mar 30 23:00:05 <C-S-B> ive touched on ios in my last job
Mar 30 23:00:27 <C-S-B> they dont require it in the job spec however, i think they are into training,
Mar 30 23:00:41 <nidO> depends what they want to recruit you for though really, whether they need someone adminning their networks or whether you're getting hired as a helpdesk monkey
Mar 30 23:01:42 <jacekowski> nidO: everybody can get their own peering
Mar 30 23:02:19 <nidO> ofc they can, most hosts dont have their own routers handling it though
Mar 30 23:03:09 <jacekowski> still knowing ios will be a +
Mar 30 23:10:11 <jacekowski> C-S-B: did they specified any distro?
Mar 30 23:10:27 <jacekowski> C-S-B: i would recommend to be prepared to know locations of some basic system files
Mar 30 23:10:35 <jacekowski> C-S-B: and some distro specific files as well
Mar 30 23:10:42 <jacekowski> and read the manuals
Mar 30 23:10:53 <jacekowski> i was once asked what does option -l does with ls
Mar 30 23:10:59 <jacekowski> and couple similiar questions
Mar 30 23:13:10 <nidO> its difficult to judge how to approach it without knowing the scale of the business and whos interviewing you though really - if it's another tech doing the interview, chances are that more than just asking you to rattle off facts and knowledge theyll be looking to see if you're sharp enough to approach problems you *dont* know the answer to logically to find/figure out a solution
Mar 30 23:16:26 <Gizmokid2005> frals: you around?
Mar 30 23:27:21 <C-S-B> jacekowski, thanks for everything, i appreciate getting my brain engaged.
Mar 30 23:28:07 <C-S-B> and nidO, as ever. ;) cheers
Mar 30 23:35:39 <b-man|ubuntu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-hPEZWWo8 - the geekiest shirt ever...
Mar 30 23:40:03 <njsf_> re Hi all
Mar 30 23:48:21 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: I checked schematics vs bq24150 datasheet. There's NO indication we could NOT use the vbus-boost mode and get usb-host power @ 200mA
Mar 30 23:48:41 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, which device are you on about
Mar 30 23:48:47 <lcuk> ive sene you talking last day or so
Mar 30 23:48:56 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
Mar 30 23:49:13 <lcuk> whats the board
Mar 30 23:49:23 <SpeedEvil> neat
Mar 30 23:49:30 <lcuk> bq24150
Mar 30 23:49:51 <DocScrutinizer> I'm checking the N900 2JH-21 board
Mar 30 23:50:17 <lcuk> cool, any particular goal?  from google its the battery board
Mar 30 23:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> bq24150 is N900's battery charger chip
Mar 30 23:52:11 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: means I'd bet real amounts of money on feasibility of power from N900 to USB, for hostmode
Mar 30 23:52:50 <lcuk> :) sounds like a cool thing to study
Mar 30 23:54:00 <DocScrutinizer> It sounds to me like a cool thing to actually be able and use N900 as USB host, plug in memsticks, cameras, IR-dongles, you name it
Mar 30 23:55:16 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, if it were in host mode, that would also allow 2 n900s to connect to each other wouldnt it?  or can it do that now (to setup network between them)
Mar 30 23:55:22 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, the PHY chip, the F... fri.... PHY. Seems nobody knows for sure what we got there
Mar 30 23:56:08 <DocScrutinizer> nah, it needs one of them in hostmode. Then you could even flash one from the other XP
Mar 30 23:56:18 <SpeedEvil> lcuk, not without a very wierd cable
Mar 30 23:56:32 <SpeedEvil> err - no
Mar 30 23:56:48 <SpeedEvil> you don't need to cross the Ds
Mar 30 23:56:52 <lcuk> rehome a pair of them into a book format :)
Mar 30 23:56:58 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: not VBUS, but protocol for sure
Mar 30 23:57:28 <DocScrutinizer> D+/- are not crossed
Mar 30 23:57:41 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, i just like this pic: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG
Mar 30 23:57:51 <lcuk> if usb would help conserve power
Mar 30 23:58:09 <cehteh> lcuk: jealous about ipad? :)
Mar 30 23:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> nintendo DS
Mar 30 23:58:56 <lcuk> cehteh, http://liqbase.net/liqbase_double_tiny.JPG been on my mind for a while
Mar 30 23:59:00 <lcuk> way before ipad
Mar 30 23:59:06 <lcuk> and likely ds
Mar 30 23:59:23 <Lumpio-> That's just silly.
Mar 30 23:59:53 <ds3> VBUS shouldn't matter too much. afterall, the 770 couldn't feed VBUS
Mar 31 00:00:48 <lcuk> Lumpio-, why? http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG
Mar 31 00:03:03 <lcuk> Lumpio-, sometimes you perform tasks on a mobile device that need more space
Mar 31 00:03:22 <lcuk> imagine snapping a portion of it off and having it on a different screen
Mar 31 00:03:27 <lcuk> the list of emails on one
Mar 31 00:03:33 <lcuk> the specific selection on another
Mar 31 00:03:50 <lcuk> 2 pieces of the same app
Mar 31 00:04:24 <lcuk> or using gimp with the image on one part and the controls on another
Mar 31 00:05:16 <lcuk> when you have one screen the apps are just like now and use overlaying/stacked windows
Mar 31 00:05:24 <lcuk> but just add extra bricks
Mar 31 00:05:36 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately with current devices, they stop working if you snap bits off.
Mar 31 00:05:51 <lcuk> figuratively
Mar 31 00:06:21 <lcuk> that last pic i pasted has example
Mar 31 00:06:28 <lcuk> all 3 devices are live updating
Mar 31 00:06:33 <lcuk> the top has whole app
Mar 31 00:06:43 <lcuk> the middle has a list of all skecthes
Mar 31 00:06:47 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Mar 31 00:06:47 <lcuk> the bottom is working on a single one
Mar 31 00:06:53 <lcuk> but they all update live in realtime
Mar 31 00:07:34 <DocScrutinizer> ds3: yeah, and of course it doesn't matter you can't connect memorysticks to 770?
Mar 31 00:16:03 * man_in_ltop waves
Mar 31 00:16:35 <man_in_ltop> it's been a while since i've really played around with my n810 and the python+maemo tutorial i was using has disappeared
Mar 31 00:16:57 <man_in_ltop> i'm trying to remember if there's a specific maemo/hildon/whatever file open dialog that i'd need to code for
Mar 31 00:19:08 <Lumpio-> lcuk: It's neat as a concept but I can't imagine myself carrying around a device with enough screen space to snap into three and still be able to display something meaningful on all of them
Mar 31 00:19:23 <Lumpio-> If I wanted to carry that much stuff around I might as well carry a laptop
Mar 31 00:19:31 <lcuk> Lumpio-, i routinely carry 2 n900s
Mar 31 00:20:00 <lcuk> i rarely carry a laptop
Mar 31 00:21:34 <Lumpio-> ok >_>
Mar 31 00:21:50 <Lumpio-> I'll have to wait until we get devices thin enough to fit three into the space of one N900
Mar 31 00:22:07 <lcuk> dont need 3 - thats just me playing at home
Mar 31 00:22:12 <Lumpio-> Stack them when on the go, break them apart when you got the space
Mar 31 00:22:16 <Lumpio-> Well, two
Mar 31 00:25:47 <raster> Lumpio-: there are already devices half as thin as the n900
Mar 31 00:51:21 <calamari> hi
Mar 31 00:51:53 <ech0Nokia> is there mms support yet? i want to send a picture via txt...
Mar 31 00:54:25 <pronto> look into fmms ech0Nokia
Mar 31 00:54:47 <calamari> I currently have an Android G1 that I use for IM, gmail, web browsing, photography, maps/navigation, and debian ARM.  Does the n900 handle all of that?
Mar 31 00:55:29 <Robot101> yes, although its maemo rather than debian
Mar 31 00:55:47 <haltdef> is there a way to disable cell and wifi but leave bluetooth on?
Mar 31 00:55:51 <calamari> does it run an X server?
Mar 31 00:55:53 <pronto> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39737 ech0Nokia
Mar 31 00:55:56 <Robot101> but its .deb based and plenty of packages and sdk to build etc
Mar 31 00:56:03 <Robot101> yeah uses X
Mar 31 00:56:04 <calamari> Robot101, cool thanks
Mar 31 00:56:25 <calamari> wish it had a better keyboard, that's the only thing holding me back hehe
Mar 31 00:56:35 <ech0Nokia> thx
Mar 31 00:56:37 <pronto> calamari: you get used to the keyboard
Mar 31 00:56:48 <Robot101> camera is great - maps isn't quite as good as google unfortunately but it is usable
Mar 31 00:56:51 <pronto> ech0Nokia: and i can confrim myself fmms works
Mar 31 00:57:05 <Robot101> although, browser does work with full fat google maps
Mar 31 00:57:21 <calamari> was going to say, I could just pull up the webpage hehe
Mar 31 00:57:24 <Robot101> you swipe from the left to get a pointer and you can click/pan
Mar 31 00:57:36 <Robot101> which is a really nice touch
Mar 31 00:57:37 <calamari> I'm guessing the web browser is awesome?
Mar 31 00:57:50 <Robot101> even flash for streetview if you're keen :)
Mar 31 00:57:53 <pronto> the webbroswer is firefox with a modded UI
Mar 31 00:58:26 <Robot101> it's basically firefox, yeah. it can get overwhelmed on very heavy js or flash pages but I find it very usable most of the time
Mar 31 00:58:33 <calamari> anyone running qemu on it?
Mar 31 00:59:03 <Robot101> on the device? no, ppl usually run qemu for developing for the device... :)
Mar 31 00:59:17 <Robot101> I think there's a dosbox port for retro gaming actually :)
Mar 31 00:59:36 <calamari> user mode qemu-i386 is killing me on android, doesn't work
Mar 31 01:00:15 <calamari> trying to run a closed source i386 daemon for accessing my corporate network
Mar 31 01:00:43 <Robot101> ouch
Mar 31 01:01:47 <calamari> I heard that some of the device drivers are closed source.. but they are accessible on the device without special pain, right?  so I can change netowrk settings and all that?
Mar 31 01:05:12 <calamari> btw, sorry for all these elementary questions and thanks for being patient and answering them :)
Mar 31 01:11:46 <Robot101> calamari: networking config daemon is closed, but normal network tools like ifconfig etc also work if you want to go behind its back
Mar 31 01:12:00 <calamari> excellent :)
Mar 31 01:12:17 <calamari> then if I can get qemu to cooperate, what I'm trying just might work! hehe
Mar 31 01:15:32 <calamari> okay this kicks google sky maps ass http://www.nokian900applications.com/stellarium-for-nokia-n900/
Mar 31 01:15:37 <calamari> I'm sold haha
Mar 31 01:19:15 <ptl> calamari: stellarium is in the repositories already, but for me it didn't work quite as well as in the video
Mar 31 01:19:58 <calamari> oh? what happened?
Mar 31 01:20:01 <calamari> just slower?
Mar 31 01:22:51 <ech0Nokia> what to set mmsc to on fmms for tmobile?
Mar 31 01:26:58 <cehteh> its announced that stellarium is incomplete yet :/
Mar 31 01:27:38 <cehteh> too bad the device has no compass, that would be a awesome usecase
Mar 31 01:28:12 <ptl> calamari: not slower, but had some bugs
Mar 31 01:28:31 <calamari> looks like orrery is another option
Mar 31 01:28:48 <calamari> http://wiki.maemo.org/Orrery
Mar 31 01:29:09 <ptl> cehteh: I've read somewhere that you can work around that pointing your N900 to some star and then the program uses the accelerometer to track the position
Mar 31 01:29:15 <cehteh> oh moment the stellarium there isnt the one from the repos?
Mar 31 01:29:37 <ptl> I mean, the rotation
Mar 31 01:29:44 <ptl> cehteh: it is
Mar 31 01:29:51 <cehteh> ptl: the accelerometer cant track rotation and its *by* far not sensible enouhg for such
Mar 31 01:30:17 * cehteh reisntalls stellarium
Mar 31 01:30:21 <ptl> cehteh: nevertheless, I read it somewhere
Mar 31 01:30:40 <cehteh> yes thats bullshit
Mar 31 01:31:09 <cehteh> if the camera would be sensible enough you could try to lock it on a start (or some other background feature)
Mar 31 01:31:30 <cehteh> well motion tracking cries for SDP
Mar 31 01:31:32 <cehteh> DSP
Mar 31 01:32:23 <cehteh> star formation recognition would be also cool .. but certainly beyond the cameras capabilities
Mar 31 01:32:49 <cehteh> too less resolution, too less senstivity, too wide angle
Mar 31 01:33:01 <crashanddie_> too less?
Mar 31 01:33:28 <cehteh> for tracking stars on the sky
Mar 31 01:33:54 <calamari> cehteh, just take multiple frames and sum them
Mar 31 01:34:06 <cehteh> (well and the optics cant even handle the 5mp)
Mar 31 01:34:21 <calamari> oh do the pictures look bad?
Mar 31 01:34:29 <cehteh> no
Mar 31 01:34:34 <cehteh> well in dark yes
Mar 31 01:34:42 <crashanddie_> too little? too small? Not too less. less is a non-comparable adverb.
Mar 31 01:34:49 <cehteh> but for normal photos, the n900 cam is excellent
Mar 31 01:34:57 <calamari> ahh there is one other app I use .. it silently records all my phone calls.  anything like that for n900?
Mar 31 01:35:09 <crashanddie_> or it can be the superlative of least
Mar 31 01:35:27 <crashanddie_> sorry, other way around, its superlative is least
Mar 31 01:36:07 <b-man17> calamari: http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/photos/ - some awesome pictures i took with my n900 as an example ;)
Mar 31 01:36:20 <crashanddie_> calamari: you have a sensor which is measured in millimeters, and it's still a very small numbers
Mar 31 01:36:35 <crashanddie_> calamari: so the noise in low-light environment is quite extreme
Mar 31 01:36:40 <crashanddie_> even at an ISO of 100
Mar 31 01:37:11 <ptl> calamari: recaller
Mar 31 01:37:24 <calamari> b-man17, nice!
Mar 31 01:37:37 <b-man17> ty :)
Mar 31 01:38:06 <calamari> wish that would be here.. it hit 90 F today :)
Mar 31 01:38:37 * crashanddie_ longs for the day the us finally starts using a real measurement system
Mar 31 01:38:40 <b-man17> lol, it's suppose to be 80+ here this weekend xD
Mar 31 01:39:02 * b-man17 took those pictures back in January
Mar 31 01:39:28 <b-man17> the seasons swing wildly here xD
Mar 31 01:39:50 <ptl> real measurement system == metric system?
Mar 31 01:39:58 <b-man17> 80F
Mar 31 01:40:15 <crashanddie_> ptl: yeah, for example
Mar 31 01:41:24 <crashanddie_> I've actually stopped converting for those lazy yanks
Mar 31 01:41:35 <crashanddie_> I'm using real units, it's your job to convert it.
Mar 31 01:43:42 <b-man17> it's unfortunate that the US doesn't use the metric system..
Mar 31 01:43:44 <calamari> has nothing to do with laziness
Mar 31 01:44:27 <calamari> yeah it is, because I don't have the mental image of metric lengths and Celsius temps that you do
Mar 31 01:44:59 <b-man17> lol, hey, i'm in the us - ohio to be exact xD
Mar 31 01:45:51 <ptl> You have: tempF(90)
Mar 31 01:45:51 <ptl> You want: tempC 32.222222
Mar 31 01:46:42 <crashanddie_> calamari: then train yourself to. It's not hard, you can very easily remember a few numbers and then do the math in your head
Mar 31 01:47:08 <crashanddie_> calamari: except for temperature, I can convert nearly anything from metric to empirical and back without an issue
Mar 31 01:47:10 <b-man17> i personally think that if you grew up with metric, it would be easer to understand - whereas a person who has not grown up with it will find it a bit confusing
Mar 31 01:47:14 <crashanddie_> (roughly though)
Mar 31 01:47:55 <calamari> oh I have the 2.54 cm=1 inch memorized
Mar 31 01:49:10 * b-man17 somewhat has km-units-to-mile-units memorized :)
Mar 31 01:49:19 <ptl> let's see if I can open my thesis in lyx on the N900
Mar 31 01:49:22 <crashanddie_> 3ft = 1m, 1 yard ~= 1m, 1lb = 500gr, 1m = 1.5 km, etc
Mar 31 01:50:07 <crashanddie_> australia went metric, you don't see them complaining, quite the contrary
Mar 31 01:50:21 <crashanddie_> and the uk is just a mess, they don't know what to use and when
Mar 31 01:50:33 <crashanddie_> when it's cold they use celsius, when it's warm they use fahrenheid
Mar 31 01:50:41 <b-man17> lol
Mar 31 01:50:50 <crashanddie_> "OMG it's -4!!!", "OMG it's 100 DEGREES"
Mar 31 01:50:51 <ptl> hmmm, sort of
Mar 31 01:50:55 <ptl> I need to customize it further
Mar 31 01:50:57 <calamari> hahahaha
Mar 31 01:51:55 <calamari> there was a stretch of freeway here (I-19) that was measured in kilometers, but the speed limit signs were still in mph
Mar 31 01:52:00 <crashanddie_> and sorry, but the US just sound ridiculous when you watch CNN, and they go "And a new blizzard might be underway, as temperatures have dropped down to 10 degrees"
Mar 31 01:52:08 <calamari> but I think they replaced the km markers with mile markers
Mar 31 01:52:28 <calamari> problem 1 is watching CNN
Mar 31 01:52:33 <cehteh> how about we all using planck units? :)
Mar 31 01:53:12 <crashanddie_> I remember this guy getting caught speeding, he was doing something like 240 kph, he went to court, and they asked him why he was driving so fast, and he said he hadn't broken the law
Mar 31 01:53:24 <b-man17> lol
Mar 31 01:54:14 <crashanddie_> they asked him to explain,and he said that according to some old law, the official time measurement in France (where he was caught) was the second, and the official distance measurement was the meter. Hence, when the speed limit showed "130", he read it as "130 meters per second"
Mar 31 01:54:46 <crashanddie_> which equates as something like 450 kph
Mar 31 01:56:07 <calamari> the sign didn't specify the units?
Mar 31 01:56:11 <ptl> he was freed?
Mar 31 01:56:51 <crashanddie_> And he was right, at the time, there was no legal specification of the units used on roadsigns
Mar 31 01:57:03 <crashanddie_> well, the story goes he got off, no idea if it's true though
Mar 31 01:57:05 <bullet`> hello room
Mar 31 01:57:12 <bullet`> no pr1.2 still ?
Mar 31 01:57:13 <crashanddie_> hey bullet`
Mar 31 01:57:26 <crashanddie_> bullet`: did your n900 update, or prompt you for an update?
Mar 31 01:57:41 <ptl> bullet`: it's out already
Mar 31 01:57:45 <ptl> bullet`: I am still downloading it
Mar 31 01:58:03 <ptl> bullet`: go to Application Manager and click on update!
Mar 31 01:58:09 <cehteh> hail our test-bunny :)
Mar 31 01:58:14 <bullet`> tried last night .. cant connect to internet here in office right now, so will try in the evening
Mar 31 01:58:38 <bullet`> is it out really ??? now huge threads on tmo !! ??
Mar 31 01:58:44 <bullet`> no*
Mar 31 01:59:02 <ptl> I was kidding.
Mar 31 01:59:05 <ptl> not really. ;)
Mar 31 01:59:31 <bullet`> ohhh
Mar 31 01:59:52 <njsf_> ptl: you are sadistic :)
Mar 31 02:00:11 <ptl> \lol
Mar 31 02:03:54 <man_in_ltop> sadistic or masochistic?
Mar 31 02:03:58 <ptl> both
Mar 31 02:04:09 <ptl> I'm waiting too
Mar 31 02:04:41 <man_in_ltop> waiting for a mirror so you can take pleasure from watching yourself hurt yourself?
Mar 31 02:06:05 <Ken-Young> I don't care about pr1.2 . I just want more episodes of Little Snow Fairy Sugar in the Ovi Store.
Mar 31 02:06:20 <njsf_> man_in_ltop: I think that for that to be effective, the mirror should be defective so he would have the additional pain of not properly watching himself get hurt
Mar 31 02:06:44 <ml-mobile> Ken-Young: you just confused me real good
Mar 31 02:07:44 <ptl> masochism is a paradox. If I take pleasure in taking pain, the pleasure shoudl cancel out due to the fact that masochists like pain, not pleasure, so it would take pain in not taking pain.
Mar 31 02:08:18 <man_in_ltop> ptl, i don't think psychology works like that
Mar 31 02:08:22 <njsf_> oh, Ken-Young, you are an Ovi Store connoisseur... I just ignore it. It is just sooo inconvenient to go there... Nokia really shot Ovi store on the foot by making those apps user/hidden...
Mar 31 02:08:56 <crashanddie_> ptl: fuck off with your shallow pseudo-deep thoughts.
Mar 31 02:09:19 <Ken-Young> njsf, When I read the specs for the N900 I thought to myself *finally* a device to what Little Snow Fairy Sugar videos on.
Mar 31 02:09:26 <calamari> goes the n900 gps still work without reception?
Mar 31 02:09:31 <njsf_> They would integrate better with those apps showing in HAM, but a special header that would launch the proper Ovi store page for payment if needed
Mar 31 02:09:41 <calamari> sorry.. cell reception
Mar 31 02:09:46 <ml-mobile> Ken-Young: N900 can play DVD quality video no problem
Mar 31 02:10:19 <ptl> crashanddie_: you seem stressed!
Mar 31 02:12:10 <njsf_> calamari: the GPS yes, but Ovi needs it. Mapper works ok if you already have the maps cached...
Mar 31 02:12:17 <njsf_> Ovi == Ovi Maps
Mar 31 02:13:04 <calamari> thanks
Mar 31 02:13:14 <crashanddie_> ptl: I certainly am
Mar 31 02:14:27 <crashanddie_> ptl: the matter of fact, though, is that masochism is simply feeling pleasure things that most individuals associate with pain. One very good example is the fact that all humans are masochists when it comes to sex (as are dolphins). The body goes through quite a very, very horrible process when orgasming, yet we feel incredible pleasure.
Mar 31 02:16:08 <njsf_> pain/pleasure, it is all just eletro-chemical stimulation...
Mar 31 02:16:29 <crashanddie_> you secrete extreme levels of pheromones, extreme levels of adrenaline, endorphine and whatnot, your heart rate accelerates to higher levels than most top sportsmen would feel comfortable with, your blood vesels constrict and your osat levels plumet and rise chaotically every second due to incoherent breathing
Mar 31 02:17:08 <crashanddie_> Most of these usually indicate impending death. Not for nothing that philosophers during the 17th and 18th century called orgasm "La petite mort" (small death)
Mar 31 02:17:56 <ptl> that's very instructive, but I was just making a pun.
Mar 31 02:18:13 <crashanddie_> I know, I was just being overly pedantic :)
Mar 31 02:19:48 <calamari> is this true?  " No call logs/ call timers / missed calls / No message waiting indicator. "
Mar 31 02:20:11 <ptl> I truly hope death is a giant orgasm, since orgasm is a small death.
Mar 31 02:20:25 <ptl> because the time will come for me someday
Mar 31 02:21:31 <ptl> ok, this is another pun. Don't kick me, please.
Mar 31 02:30:07 <bullet`> :)
Mar 31 02:30:10 <bullet`> what is going on here
Mar 31 02:30:16 <bullet`> unusual talk
Mar 31 02:30:24 <bullet`> seems like ppl r really waiting for 1.2 :p
Mar 31 02:30:52 <Ken-Young> Yup.  I don't undestand why they can't give a release date.
Mar 31 02:32:56 <ml-mobile> because release dates can slip
Mar 31 02:33:20 <Ken-Young> ml-mobile, Sure.   But they don't always.
Mar 31 02:34:09 <Ken-Young> Even if they said "Definately not before June" that would be nice to know.
Mar 31 02:34:10 <ml-mobile> not always, but being noncomittal about a release date is easier than missing one and having the unwashed masses come after you
Mar 31 02:36:02 <calamari> btw has there been any mention of a successor to the n900?
Mar 31 02:38:54 <rm_you> calamari: way back when at the summit they mentioned the next hardware revision was planned to have multitouch... no NEW news tho AFAIK
Mar 31 02:39:26 <Ken-Young> calamari, If they won't tell us when the next firmware release will happen, imagine how secretive they are about upcoming devices.
Mar 31 02:43:25 * ptl wonders if it be called the Nokia N910 or the Nokia N1000.
Mar 31 02:45:11 <bullet`> well rough dates has been given
Mar 31 02:45:15 <bullet`> end of march like
Mar 31 02:45:42 <bullet`> they should atleast release a rc of final pr 1.2 :) for those who agree :)
Mar 31 02:45:52 <anotnac> it will be just the N9
Mar 31 02:45:52 <bullet`> installing an unstable firmware
Mar 31 02:46:54 <Ken-Young> bullet`, Yes, there are quite a few of us who don't mind reflashing our phones.
Mar 31 02:47:25 <calamari> I guess what I'm wondering is if the n900 is about to go EOL and I should wait
Mar 31 02:50:15 <Ken-Young> calamari, I think there would be a lot more hard news available about a successor cevice if it were going to be available in the next few months.
Mar 31 02:50:33 <Ken-Young> s/cevice/device/
Mar 31 02:50:34 <infobot> Ken-Young meant: calamari, I think there would be a lot more hard news available about a successor device if it were going to be available in the next few months.
Mar 31 02:50:54 <calamari> haha nifty little bot you have there
Mar 31 02:51:20 <calamari> thanks
Mar 31 02:51:41 <Ken-Young> People had seen the N900 months before it was available for purchase.
Mar 31 02:52:10 <Ken-Young> Some were distributed to developers at conferences, etc.
Mar 31 02:52:22 <bullet`> whats a EOL ?
Mar 31 02:52:30 <Ken-Young> End of life.
Mar 31 02:52:50 <bullet`> oh no way
Mar 31 02:52:57 <bullet`> i think n900 has good life ahead
Mar 31 02:53:07 <bullet`> this qt thing happening and stuff
Mar 31 02:53:24 <bullet`> i refuse to believe there is a sudden death to n900
Mar 31 02:55:11 <bullet`> new devices will be announced and will be here in few months
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