**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 05 02:59:56 2010 Apr 05 03:00:15 what if I use a kernel image with smartReflex active by default, overclocked to 900 MHz and with NAT support? What if? Apr 05 03:04:22 you win the fool's batch of the week Apr 05 03:09:18 lol Apr 05 03:11:48 Ok if im compiling a file with GLES/gl.h includes and I need to use the opengl es lib what -l flag do I use Apr 05 03:32:52 Anyone know a maemo-friendly nasa TV feed? Apr 05 04:37:26 hey all, my name is Arjun, and I'm a student at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology. I'm interested in working with Maemo/MeeGo for Google Summer of Code. I'd love to work on any project that the community finds useful (especially as a member of the userbase!), but in particular, I would love to work on the ebook reader. As someone who frequently reads ebooks, having a good app for that would be fantastic, and I feel I can contribute in that way. Also, I know O Apr 05 04:43:35 mandaya: evince is terrific for reading PDFs and FBReader is great for reading the rest. Apr 05 04:46:23 DocScrutinizer: what is happening with apt on the SDK? I can't find mplayer using apt-cache search, it's there on the packages list but even apt-cache policy mplayer doesn't show it. http://pastebin.com/WncVXnvE Apr 05 04:46:50 ptl_demands_PR12: ah, cool, wasn't aware that evince was ported to maemo already. I was just going on the project ideas list for GSoC; the ebook reader was what caught my eye first :) Apr 05 04:48:18 mandaya: evince even has kinetic scrolling... Apr 05 04:49:37 mandaya: if you could however do an app for reading via camera some infrared controls and making a LIRC configuration file for use on IRReco and other programs... Or a good shopping list program... Or a program that can use a custom ringtone for every contact/group... Apr 05 04:49:41 mandaya: that would be terrific! Apr 05 04:52:33 mandaya: these are all areas where the N900 is lacking Apr 05 04:55:31 ptl_demands_PR12: what do you mean by reading infrared controls from a camera? infrared controls for what? Apr 05 04:59:09 he means learning mode for IR remote for appliances. To read in the IR TX patterns for a particular original remote control Apr 05 05:03:15 mandaya: the camera can "see" infrared as a bright light Apr 05 05:03:34 DocScrutinizer: I just tried using mplayer with xwinwrap on the N900 to try and get animated wallpapers. Didn't work :( Apr 05 05:05:23 mandaya: the IR sensor on the N900 is an emitter but not a receiver. So, you cannot use it to read output from an IR Remote Control Apr 05 05:06:33 mandaya: if we can use the camera to read the IR signal, we could have the base frequency and patterns of the IR Remote Control and build a LIRC file for it. Apr 05 05:07:13 if we could Apr 05 05:08:23 ptl_demands_PR12: and you got a new idea how to get the carrier frequency and data pattern from a camera that hardly does more than 60 fps? Apr 05 05:08:25 yes... if it is possible at all, there's been some controversy here Apr 05 05:09:05 ptl_demands_PR12: ah, that does sound interesting, but DocScrutinizer's objections still stand Apr 05 05:09:13 DocScrutinizer: it sweeps the screen dot by dot at every nanosecond or such, so if you get the IR light close enough, you might get the real frequency. Apr 05 05:09:20 5 MP camera, 30 frames per second Apr 05 05:09:49 ptl_demands_PR12: nice you're quoting me, still I asked for *new* ideas :-P Apr 05 05:09:59 if the light dominates the central part of the screen, say, the central 1 MP, you have 30 MHz freqency to sweep Apr 05 05:10:17 ok Apr 05 05:14:17 guys, a bit off topic, but I need some help Apr 05 05:14:25 mandaya: I did a video recording while placing the IR LED directly on the cam lens, so the whole picture/sensor got uniformly exposed to the light. On watching such video you can see some kind of light and dark horizontal bars. Depending on the way the sensors does exposure and is read out, you might possibly find even smaller moiree formed by the carrier freq that's between 30 and 45kHz Apr 05 05:15:19 (normal web page), I have 500 items to display, linearly (meaning that each item follows the previous one, etc), and contextual information that spans multiple items Apr 05 05:15:28 how would you see that being displayed? Apr 05 05:15:43 mandaya: you'd need to do several samples so you can reconstruct the full datastream fro the sniplets contained in each picture of the video, and fill in the time gaps between pictures of one video Apr 05 05:16:00 crashanddie: in a grid/matrix? Apr 05 05:16:10 crashanddie: it depends on the contextual information, I guess Apr 05 05:16:24 I was thinking that in real web 2.0 spirit, I should make it scale, meaning that I should display 500 items on one line, and then allow people to zoom in on the area they're interested in Apr 05 05:16:33 crashanddie: would it make it groupable? Is this information like tags or categories? Apr 05 05:16:48 crashanddie: collapsable list? Apr 05 05:19:08 ptl_demands_PR12: try to imagine that the information is a list of houses on a single street, contextual information is "specific houses can listen to what is happening around them in X range" Apr 05 05:19:54 RST38h: interesting, but I'd rather stay horizontal tbh Apr 05 05:21:08 crashanddie: wow, that will be difficult. And reading that description I understood why the "scale" idea. Indeed, a looking-glass through the items might have lots of sense. But on the other hand, it seems that to find the information the user would have to run through all the 'houses', isn't it? He should be able to do that looking only through a small subset. Apr 05 05:22:04 well, I did this a few years ago Apr 05 05:22:08 If there are categories, best would be to collapse by them Apr 05 05:22:28 well, actually, each "house" contains 15 "flats" Apr 05 05:22:42 so I could expand even further, and there at 10 streets ;) Apr 05 05:22:50 s/at/are/ Apr 05 05:22:51 crashanddie meant: so I could expand even further, and there are 10 streets ;) Apr 05 05:23:32 crashanddie: staying horizontal with 500 items is a bad idea Apr 05 05:23:49 the way we solved this a few years ago, I think, is that we simply had a table showing 50 items, and a coloured stripe above the table that would show if specific house is within the range of another person Apr 05 05:24:05 and then just navigation buttons left and right to go through the full 500 Apr 05 05:25:48 DocScrutinizer: so then I presume the idea is to do a histogram analysis on the image and direct good matches appropriately? Apr 05 05:26:02 or rather, images Apr 05 05:28:27 crashanddie: And how have users liked that? =) Apr 05 05:28:48 RST38h: well, considering the tool was massively helpful, they didn't really complain Apr 05 05:28:56 ahha Apr 05 05:30:32 it's like when you ask people to dig a swimming pool. You give them the choice between a shovel and a caterpillar with an uncomfortable seat. Apr 05 05:31:26 mandaya: well, no histogram. Rather a pattern readout and analysis, based on some investigations done with known input signals and finding how they represent in the pictures Apr 05 05:31:44 morning Apr 05 05:32:58 * ptl_demands_PR12 just donated $20 to skeptoid.com... wonderful service Apr 05 05:37:48 DocScrutinizer: alright, who should I contact for mentorship on such a project? Apr 05 05:38:20 no idea, I'm not a mentor-worthy sw-devel Apr 05 05:41:18 haha, alright, I'll keep idling on here and ask from time to time then Apr 05 05:41:20 mandaya: I just could help a little bit with the basics on how to use the hardware - on a mere hw functions level, no api or somesuch Apr 05 05:44:04 DocScrutinizer: a 'open bme' gsoc project could be interesting Apr 05 05:45:10 ah, VDVsx has been integrated into the mothership it seems like Apr 05 05:45:11 hmm yes. But still, what's my role in GSoC? Apr 05 05:45:43 you could technically sign up as mentor still i think Apr 05 05:45:44 Stskeeps: So, what kind of a knob is he? Apr 05 05:45:59 RST38h: no idea Apr 05 05:48:04 Stskeeps: maybe backup mentor for hw related issues Apr 05 05:48:09 :nod: Apr 05 05:49:20 ptl_demands_PR12: and camera not work like that. It has a virtual shutter that opens for several lines. The whole line is exposed, not one dot. Apr 05 05:50:23 mandaya: anyway, your first task would obviously be to get a 10sec video in raw uncompressed format, and generally gain control over the details of cam module setup and opeartion Apr 05 05:51:36 SpeedEvil: yep, that's what I thought as well Apr 05 05:54:20 btw another theoretical possibility would be to rapidly move the remote or shake the cam while taking a video Apr 05 05:55:17 * SpeedEvil goes back to sleep - 6sm Apr 05 05:55:31 SpeedEvil: I didn't know that, would it still be enough to get the frequency? I've read someone here saying that you don't need to get the base frequency (38 KHz or such), only the blinking frequency in top of the base frequency Apr 05 05:55:31 qm Apr 05 05:55:32 am Apr 05 05:55:35 if you could get a exposure time of e.g 1/1000 then you could read carrier freq directly (in KHz) by counting number of dots Apr 05 06:03:08 has opencv been ported to maemo? they have a really nice hooks into cameras and provide great image processing / recognition libraries Apr 05 06:03:33 if so, that would make obtaining the uncompressed video trivial Apr 05 06:04:39 from there it's a matter of manipulating the raw frames, extracting the IR data from the visual noise, etc. Apr 05 06:05:14 yep, exactly Apr 05 06:11:13 ok, I checked, opencv HAS been ported, so DocScrutinizer, the first step you suggested is trivial Apr 05 06:11:28 which is fantastic Apr 05 06:12:40 :-) Apr 05 06:13:18 Moaning people :) Apr 05 06:13:29 where? Apr 05 06:13:41 before you sign this as a google summer of code project, try to see if it's indeed possible, even with a very raw version. You don't want your project spoiled by being impossible, isn't it? On the other hand, if you are able to do it, it would be an amazing example of software overcoming hardware limitations. Apr 05 06:13:44 Everywhere :) Apr 05 06:14:09 more like moaning people, not moaning people Apr 05 06:14:14 agh Apr 05 06:14:17 more like whining people, not moaning people Apr 05 06:14:28 * ptl_demands_PR12 whines about PR1.2 once more Apr 05 06:14:40 good moaning to you too! Apr 05 06:14:54 Ptl_demands_PR12: at least you have something to install it on :) Apr 05 06:15:14 * wazd_e63 joins whining party Apr 05 06:15:56 ~homework Apr 05 06:15:58 * infobot cries. Apr 05 06:16:08 But that russian ipad guy absolutely made my day :D Apr 05 06:20:03 ipad guy? Apr 05 06:20:26 night Apr 05 06:22:07 Stskeeps: have you seen that epic BBC fail? :D Apr 05 06:22:25 Stskeeps: live from apple store Apr 05 06:23:37 nop Apr 05 06:23:54 Stskeeps: oooh Apr 05 06:24:27 m.youtube.com/watch?v=yhblfJxNrp0&hl=ru&gl=RU&client=mv-google Apr 05 06:25:23 Stskeeps: russian guy screaming "that ipad is a piece of shit! Fuck it!" right at the opening :D Apr 05 06:29:26 wazd_e63: excellnt Apr 05 06:30:10 Stskeeps: he spent 500 bucks to perform this prank :D Apr 05 06:31:19 Stskeeps: I love how apple is using same details for different products though Apr 05 06:31:44 Stskeeps: ipad's using same battery clocks as macbook I guess Apr 05 06:32:15 Blocks* Apr 05 06:38:32 But again, if I'd design an iPad, I'd screw that pathetic "thickness" games and fill whole area with batteries to allow user to use it for 24 hours :) Apr 05 06:55:46 re Apr 05 07:08:39 Right, fixed MWKN released for today. Apr 05 07:08:44 Only an hour late(ish). Apr 05 07:13:01 wazzup Apr 05 07:14:18 Jaffa, http://www.mwkn.net/2010/14/apps.html (look at #9) Apr 05 07:14:51 Jaffa: we just got full elilo (with source) and linux 2.6.33 on joggler btw, so it's a bargain by now :) Apr 05 07:22:20 woohoo Apr 05 07:22:22 the guys in Europe are waking up. Apr 05 07:22:35 Hope the lab at Finland finally release PR1.2 Apr 05 07:22:37 or else! Apr 05 07:23:23 its holidays in much of europe .. easter :P Apr 05 07:23:50 (really much? germany at least, france iirc not) Apr 05 07:24:04 yet? Apr 05 07:24:08 monday? Apr 05 07:24:12 yes Apr 05 07:24:20 easter is sunday! Apr 05 07:24:28 sunday and monday here Apr 05 07:24:28 oh, c'mon Apr 05 07:24:31 I'm tired of whining. Apr 05 07:24:46 easter friday and easter monday tend to be a holiday in quite a few parts Apr 05 07:24:57 only easter monday in slovenia though Apr 05 07:25:06 so stop whining Apr 05 07:25:17 friday too .. 'karfreitag' not easter is it called here Apr 05 07:25:40 ptl_demands_PR12: you have 1.2 eh? Apr 05 07:25:56 asj: wish I had Apr 05 07:26:08 ah Apr 05 07:26:56 PR12 is obsolete. Let's deman PR2.0 Apr 05 07:27:25 ruskie: as soon as the N900 'marked as fixed' bugs stop popping up on my face, I'll stopo Apr 05 07:27:30 s/stopo/stop/ Apr 05 07:27:31 ptl_demands_PR12 meant: ruskie: as soon as the N900 'marked as fixed' bugs stop popping up on my face, I'll stop Apr 05 07:29:42 rmrfchik: just be happy Meego uses the n900 as devel platform Apr 05 07:29:59 I used an n97 for the last few days, I forgot how well Symbian works for some things Apr 05 07:30:21 Google Maps, Gravity, Gmail are great apps Apr 05 07:30:37 lovely xterm. "Hey, girls, I used to use dbus to call phones! I'm hackka!" Apr 05 07:30:41 You forgot Ovi Maps 3.03 Apr 05 07:30:56 Ovi Maps 3.x has some issues Apr 05 07:31:37 like adding a way point, you can only add a POI, you can't search a map Apr 05 07:31:43 hmmm, does infobot support escaping? \ Apr 05 07:31:51 rmrfchik: if we could use dbus to intercept a call and change its ringtone on the fly one of the great downsides of N90 could be solved by now Apr 05 07:31:52 s/\\/\/ Apr 05 07:32:15 rmrfchik: but Nokia does not allow us to reach THAT level of hackka! Apr 05 07:32:28 infobot: you suck! learn some escaping! Apr 05 07:32:35 \\\\\\ Apr 05 07:32:39 s/\\/\/g Apr 05 07:32:40 ptl_demands_PR12 meant: \\\ Apr 05 07:32:52 escape this \ Apr 05 07:32:58 s/\\/\/g Apr 05 07:33:19 14/02/2010 Apr 05 07:33:25 s#/#|#g Apr 05 07:33:39 s/\//-/g Apr 05 07:33:44 hmmm Apr 05 07:33:47 no escaping. Apr 05 07:33:57 so we can't replace / Apr 05 07:43:39 somehow i got n900 to enable display withought backlight Apr 05 07:45:15 it is great in sunlight - maybe 105mA chatting over 2g Apr 05 07:45:47 wish i knew how to set this when i want it Apr 05 07:47:38 i didnt know it was transflective Apr 05 07:48:46 ptl_demands_PR12, holiday in Finland too, so no luck, I guess :D Apr 05 07:50:20 what holiday? Apr 05 07:50:27 easter Apr 05 07:50:41 maybe this behaviour is tied to lkight sensor Apr 05 07:52:12 btw, what is proximity sensor? how it works? Apr 05 07:52:30 Easter Monday :D lol Apr 05 07:53:56 Moo VDVsx Apr 05 07:54:11 RST38h, mooooring :) Apr 05 07:59:28 * noobmonk3y has a hurty head!!! Apr 05 08:01:14 go to bed Apr 05 08:01:52 what did you do to your head? Apr 05 08:01:55 How does one see what clockspeed the CPU is currently running at? Apr 05 08:02:12 cat /proc/cpuinfo Apr 05 08:02:16 Nope Apr 05 08:02:21 or install conky Apr 05 08:02:25 Just Bogomips ther Apr 05 08:03:02 ah right .. well sysfs has something too Apr 05 08:03:23 * noobmonk3y drank to much :( Apr 05 08:03:49 noobmonk3y: Then you drink a litre of water, and go to sleep Apr 05 08:04:00 tried that and was sick after drinking too much water Apr 05 08:04:10 so drink a little less this time Apr 05 08:04:15 * noobmonk3y whinges Apr 05 08:04:30 or drink some diet pepsi Apr 05 08:04:33 my n900 drained it's batetry dry last night too :( Apr 05 08:04:44 battery* Apr 05 08:05:04 time in each CPU clock: Apr 05 08:05:06 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state Apr 05 08:05:10 there's this interesting statistics Apr 05 08:05:11 :D Apr 05 08:05:13 yup Apr 05 08:05:19 i was looking at those yesterday Apr 05 08:05:22 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq Apr 05 08:05:22 250000 Apr 05 08:05:30 mine spents almost all time at 250 MHz Apr 05 08:05:39 most do :D Apr 05 08:05:43 saves battery Apr 05 08:06:08 time sleeping isnt accounted Apr 05 08:06:22 most time it sleeps Apr 05 08:06:57 7 Apr 05 08:08:48 backlight seems to be tied to light sensor?! Apr 05 08:08:55 ofc Apr 05 08:08:59 same as the keyboard light Apr 05 08:09:15 i mean it is OFF now Apr 05 08:09:39 just typing via transflective in full sunlight Apr 05 08:09:42 pupnik: prolly one of the closed system daemons regulates that Apr 05 08:09:47 mce dsme ... Apr 05 08:10:10 well that is awesome if it is a feature :) Apr 05 08:10:16 pupnik: how do you turn it off of extended time? Apr 05 08:10:22 and more awesome if it is a bug :) Apr 05 08:10:45 if i hit display brightness settings it goes on again Apr 05 08:10:50 dunno Apr 05 08:10:54 ah Apr 05 08:11:09 well i suggested that, wanting to turn it off in full sunlight Apr 05 08:11:19 or if display blanks and reactivates indoors Apr 05 08:11:20 backlight doesnt help much, just wastes battery Apr 05 08:11:23 awesome cehteh Apr 05 08:11:44 i didnt noticed this functionality yet Apr 05 08:11:52 helps render colors but i dont want that Apr 05 08:12:05 sun is shining in hessenm :) Apr 05 08:12:10 -m Apr 05 08:12:15 heh Apr 05 08:12:21 little cloudy here Apr 05 08:12:28 karlsruhe :P Apr 05 08:12:45 ice city Apr 05 08:12:47 my sister's where you are Apr 05 08:12:58 nice even. lived there a few months Apr 05 08:15:10 /sys/class/regulator/regulator.* .. anyone knows which regulators are controled by which number? Apr 05 08:15:48 cat /sys/class/regulator/regulator.*/name Apr 05 08:15:48 VDAC_18 Apr 05 08:15:48 VUSB1V5 Apr 05 08:15:48 VUSB1V8 Apr 05 08:15:48 VUSB3V1 Apr 05 08:15:49 :) Apr 05 08:22:51 what is a regulator? Apr 05 08:26:07 8 am guessing Voltage Apr 05 08:26:10 I Apr 05 08:27:26 yeah clouds just passed in front of sun and backlight came on. awesome nokia! Apr 05 08:28:25 pupnik: reciting your planning for tomorrow? Apr 05 08:28:35 Hmmm - Even when running lzma constantly, the CPU still prefer to run in 500, and not 900. Apr 05 08:29:10 8AM Guessing voltage, 9AM Ampere divination, 11AM Newton brunch... Apr 05 08:30:59 people, tell me. I swear I have looked in a lot of threads in talk.maemo.org, but has ANYONE figured out if it is possible to override the default ringing behaviour and somehow use a custom ringtone per contact? Apr 05 08:31:03 I just want to know if it is possible. Apr 05 08:31:15 If there is some dbus trigger or API for that... Apr 05 08:31:44 I couldn't find this answer at all. Apr 05 08:32:10 ptl_demands_PR12: there was discussion on -dev ml recently - the answer is probably "not yet" Apr 05 08:32:19 phellarv: are you using the overclocked kernel? Does it come with NAT (masquerading) support? Apr 05 08:32:40 lbt: do you have a link for the discussion? If it does not take much of your time to get. Apr 05 08:32:53 crashanddie: point taken Apr 05 08:32:54 no, just in my inbox Apr 05 08:33:06 maemo-dev ? Apr 05 08:33:29 subject "Routing SMS to another app." Apr 05 08:33:47 I mean, maemo-developers Apr 05 08:33:51 however backlight-off feature _is_ cool Apr 05 08:33:54 http://pastie.org/903532 Apr 05 08:33:58 ok Apr 05 08:34:07 found it, thanks. Apr 05 08:34:58 hmmm Apr 05 08:37:07 * rmrfchik is loooking video "N97: The Truth" Apr 05 08:37:09 fail ;) Apr 05 08:39:31 URL? Apr 05 08:39:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJpEuMidcSU&feature=player_embedded Apr 05 08:40:06 it's some reminds me N900. Apr 05 08:40:12 * ptl_demands_PR12 always strips the part after '&' from youtube videos Apr 05 08:40:44 sad, sad modest. sad, sad phone app. sad, sad map. Apr 05 08:41:06 that's all sucks a lot. Apr 05 08:41:06 rmrfchik: sad sad little man Apr 05 08:41:11 panda Apr 05 08:43:30 rmrfchik: wow, that was really lame of nokia. I didn't know the N97 sucked so hard. Apr 05 08:44:01 I am beginning to understand why they are not dealing with the N900 with such a high priority by now. Apr 05 08:44:37 heh, n900 sucks not less. "It's phone call! Oh, wait while a get app from swap. Sec... A bit more. Here is your phone! Oops, you have 1 missed call" Apr 05 08:45:03 oww -244mA with no cpu use or backlight. just irssi and 2G (!) Apr 05 08:46:04 It's alarm! Common, don't you expect get alarm applicatio right when it alarm happend, do you? dude... Apr 05 08:46:05 TTE 160 minutes Apr 05 08:46:21 ptl_demands_PR12: the n97 had some issues in the first revision, but it's a lot better now Apr 05 08:46:35 NAC 601 Apr 05 08:47:16 woops Apr 05 08:47:42 this is not good. bbl Apr 05 08:48:28 rmrfchik: PM me when you're done moaning and bitching, thanks. Apr 05 08:48:45 meh Apr 05 08:49:35 crashanddie: that's what I am trying to find... I figured it should be due to the first revision indeed Apr 05 08:50:06 ptl_demands_PR12: I really like the N97, I've used it quite a bit, and just looking at the video you can tell the guy is doing specific things on purpose Apr 05 08:50:42 ptl_demands_PR12: first of all, he's holding the phone at an angle when doing the rotation -- yes, the portrait/landscape switching is a bit dodgy, but shaking it around doesn't help Apr 05 08:51:08 and the browser, he's nearly not touching the screen, nor is he patient enough... Anyone knows that bashing on a computer, regardless of the type, while it's busy isn't helping things. Apr 05 08:52:03 I figured that, I laughed when the guy started to shake the phone Apr 05 08:53:41 /op/ Apr 05 08:54:01 anyway... the N900 is quite smooth on its transitions Apr 05 08:54:32 I think it was rmrfchik, not rmrfchick Apr 05 08:54:45 meh Apr 05 08:54:52 it would be helpful for mobiles if the irc server bundled packets and only sent 0.5-1/second Apr 05 08:55:05 thanks ptl_demands_PR12 Apr 05 08:55:16 !ptl_demands_PR12++ Apr 05 08:55:20 I fail today Apr 05 08:55:24 ~ptl_demands_PR12++ Apr 05 08:56:10 ? Apr 05 08:56:12 my battery use shot way up for some reason.. now it is sort of normal again. mebbe i's been hacked :P Apr 05 08:56:47 80-128 ma now Apr 05 09:00:16 * noobmonk3y lol's.... used 1.9gb of my 500mb data limit in the last 2 days... woooooooops Apr 05 09:00:46 I have 50 megabytes per month Apr 05 09:00:50 ouch Apr 05 09:00:56 oops Apr 05 09:01:09 hope the extra mebibytes don't cost too much Apr 05 09:01:14 my quote is 200 MiB. Apr 05 09:01:15 yeah, I still need to disable auto update Apr 05 09:01:19 s/quote/quota/ Apr 05 09:01:19 ptl_demands_PR12 meant: my quota is 200 MiB. Apr 05 09:01:21 naaaa, i think they will just start throtteling Apr 05 09:02:02 they don't throttle, over 50mb eats away at my monthly money quota Apr 05 09:02:21 wohoooooooo 3 people for tomorrows n900 meetup! Apr 05 09:02:33 well, me and 2 women.... lol :P Apr 05 09:02:53 how come you use so much? which app? Apr 05 09:03:16 how's that even possible, my gf only likes the n900 because of the tvout Apr 05 09:03:24 ptl_demands_PR12, using joiku to get my laptop online, and my mates, and a few other peoples :P - and they where watching BBC Iplayer last night on it ;) Apr 05 09:03:35 TomaszD: introduce her to blubbels as well Apr 05 09:03:48 noobmonk3y: oh, that explains it. Apr 05 09:03:50 blubbels? wth is that Apr 05 09:03:58 moobox does it for my missus, she loves it Apr 05 09:04:10 TomaszD, a game Apr 05 09:04:18 TomaszD: my girlfriends also make good use of the tvout, I just watched two movies yesterday with one of them Apr 05 09:04:26 the other one didn't show up for tonight, tho Apr 05 09:04:28 * noobmonk3y lost my tv out cable :( Apr 05 09:04:37 iv been using my tv out loads Apr 05 09:04:42 cos my stupid archos is broke :( Apr 05 09:04:51 you guys have no idea how wrong this conversation sounds Apr 05 09:05:03 "< nidO> iv been using my tv out loads" TOO MUCH INFORMATION Apr 05 09:05:13 crashanddie, you are in an odddddddd mood today! Apr 05 09:05:28 ptl_demands_PR12, exactly, this the best thing, I come around with a load of movies and we can play them back on the big screen, winner feature Apr 05 09:05:46 noobmonk3y: maybe I have a tumour in my humour? Apr 05 09:06:04 quite possibly...... Apr 05 09:08:51 btw, can I just say: Community is one of the best shows in recent times Apr 05 09:09:26 ? Apr 05 09:10:31 ¿ Apr 05 09:10:51 http://www.surfthechannel.com/show/78220.html Apr 05 09:11:31 haven't seen community, but if you're looking for the best show in television history, then look no further than The Wire Apr 05 09:11:44 oh, no Apr 05 09:11:47 and I don't say things like these lightly Apr 05 09:11:54 sorry, no other show for getting me hooked Apr 05 09:12:11 can't waste MORE time on shows!!! Apr 05 09:12:19 My SeriesFinale list is growing :P Apr 05 09:12:27 it'll pass, the show will end Apr 05 09:12:34 then check out The Wire Apr 05 09:12:45 TomaszD: I've heard that The Wire is the best show ever Apr 05 09:12:52 it is. Apr 05 09:12:56 TomaszD: that's why I don't want to check it ut. Apr 05 09:13:03 s/ ut./ out./ Apr 05 09:13:04 ptl_demands_PR12 meant: TomaszD: that's why I don't want to check it out. Apr 05 09:13:44 Is it one of those fears that if you start watching it and it'll inevitably finish? Apr 05 09:14:16 Yes. I am obsessive. I can't control myself. Apr 05 09:14:27 also, it spoils watching anything else... Apr 05 09:14:39 it's like nothing can compare Apr 05 09:15:56 I'll probably check it out some day, maybe get the entire boxed set or something Apr 05 09:16:13 I was one click away from getting it Apr 05 09:16:28 barely stopped myself, just too expensive Apr 05 09:17:02 I'm getting the o2 joggler instead Apr 05 09:17:03 :) Apr 05 09:23:46 anybody uses opensync for syncing N900 Apr 05 09:28:40 lbt: just got some more concrete response about that ringtone stuff Apr 05 09:30:05 on ml ? Apr 05 09:33:17 lbt: yep Apr 05 09:33:45 well, at least it seems, I am still decided to only go further about PR1.2. :) Apr 05 09:33:52 s/ about / after / Apr 05 09:33:53 ptl_demands_PR12 meant: well, at least it seems, I am still decided to only go further after PR1.2. :) Apr 05 09:33:59 ah, I was watching meego-dev :) Apr 05 09:34:39 maemo-developers, Kate responded Apr 05 09:35:13 ptl_demands_PR12: lets hope Robot101 catches this thread Apr 05 09:36:07 Is he also looking for this info? Apr 05 10:03:40 Hi, all I have an idea about GSOC application and I would like to discuss it here with you. Apr 05 10:04:14 The idea is developing an application that enables the user to search for anything by just pronouncing words, the application shall do speech recognition and then show the results to the him/her. If you have any suggestions or feedback, I would be pleased to hear it from you. Apr 05 10:04:43 on Maemo talk somone suggested integrating social network abilities and sms and calling functions to it also Apr 05 10:06:23 s60 has similar functionality for making calls Apr 05 10:06:43 perhaps some code could be re-used Apr 05 10:07:48 feature is called: sind Apr 05 10:08:19 thanks, naxu I will look for it Apr 05 10:09:50 it is not easy to do speech recognition with limited cpu and in time that user wants to wait for results Apr 05 10:10:50 but with limited amount of terms it seems to work ok Apr 05 10:20:36 It's not a GSOC Apr 05 10:20:40 type thing Apr 05 10:21:07 It's a combined effort of a lot of people over years type of thing Apr 05 10:21:20 * javispedro wonders what will happen to the overclockers thread when they finally realize they can actually change the max freq without reflashing the kernel... Apr 05 10:21:34 javispedro: How? Apr 05 10:21:40 kernel cmdline Apr 05 10:21:42 (though I'm more interested in the low end) Apr 05 10:21:45 well, actually, that requires flashing Apr 05 10:22:08 can kexec be built as a module? Apr 05 10:22:34 I don't think so; does that finally work btw? Apr 05 10:23:17 Don't ask me. Apr 05 10:23:59 I know a bunch of work was required to make it work for the n8x0 Apr 05 10:25:29 I wish qemu was fast. Apr 05 10:25:39 qemu + dragon dictate = win Apr 05 10:25:44 :) Apr 05 10:26:35 i know that this channel is only from maemo, but i want to know if notes in symbian can be sync? Apr 05 10:26:53 joker_89: nope Apr 05 10:27:29 are you sure? because i can get sync only to server Apr 05 10:27:39 but no server-> client Apr 05 10:30:40 phellarv Apr 05 10:31:40 Is there anywhere offering bounties for apps? Apr 05 10:32:16 I'd like to contribute small amounts towards certain apps being developed, without a project going atm. Apr 05 10:33:21 For example, speech recognition, ... Apr 05 10:35:32 God, tmo. They read what they like and ignore what they dislike. Apr 05 10:35:37 * javispedro rediscovers humanity Apr 05 10:35:58 now curiously enough "optification" has become associated with a certain level of ascension applications have. Apr 05 10:36:37 "non-optified" applications burn battery cycles, make your system slow, crash your phone, and corrupt your files Apr 05 10:37:01 "optified" applications do none of these. Apr 05 10:37:29