**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 12 02:59:56 2010 Apr 12 03:00:14 dmj726_n900: hmm Apr 12 03:09:16 http://www.somelink.com if anyone is trying to test this bug :) Apr 12 03:10:09 thanks. Apr 12 03:10:33 meh, another ICE Apr 12 03:10:33 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/post_bug.cgi Apr 12 03:10:45 er Apr 12 03:10:53 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43722 Apr 12 03:10:54 Bug 43722: was not found. Apr 12 03:14:13 while we're waiting for the bug to manifest, anyone looked at the theorarm project goggle seems to be funding? Apr 12 03:17:53 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/google-boosts-open-video-by-funding-arm-theora-codec.ars Apr 12 03:49:47 "su gainroot" just stopped sorking on my N900, after having worked for months. Now it give the error message "su: must be suid to work properly". Does anyone know what has gone wrong, and how to fix it? Apr 12 03:50:14 s/sorking/working/ Apr 12 03:50:14 Ken-Young meant: "su gainroot" just stopped working on my N900, after having worked for months. Now it give the error message "su: must be suid to work properly". Does anyone know what has gone wrong, and how to fix it? Apr 12 03:51:01 type "root" instead Apr 12 03:51:04 use sudo gainroot Apr 12 03:51:08 or just root Apr 12 03:51:24 DocScrutinizer, Oh, you're right. I forgot. Thanks! Apr 12 03:52:20 microlith, That works too. Thanks! Apr 12 03:54:21 I guess it's a good sign that I haven't had to become root in a while. Apr 12 04:06:48 hmm. first day with xlv kernel. let's see hwo this goes Apr 12 04:07:00 s/hwo/$1 Apr 12 04:07:10 aw. damn. Apr 12 04:07:34 s/damn./failure./ Apr 12 04:07:34 korhojoa meant: aw. failure. Apr 12 04:33:01 LiraNuna: "mov r3, #0" + "vdup.32 q9, r3" -> "veor.32 q9, q9, q9" Apr 12 04:34:41 LiraNuna: "vmvn q9, q8" + "vand q8, q8, q9" -> "vbic" Apr 12 04:36:35 LiraNuna: or even "mov r3, #0" + "vdup.32 q9, r3" + "vceq.f32 q8, q8, q9" -> "vceq.f32 q8, q8, #0" Apr 12 05:09:05 ssvb, oh yeah! bit clear! Apr 12 05:09:15 this is 1:1 SSE port so there's no bit clear Apr 12 05:10:07 LiraNuna: "mov r3, #0" + "vdup.32 q9, r3" -> "veor.32 q9, q9, q9" Apr 12 05:10:11 isn't that a nop Apr 12 05:11:30 LiraNuna: "eor" == "xor" from x86 Apr 12 05:11:39 ooooh Apr 12 05:11:43 ooooh Apr 12 05:11:46 duh Apr 12 05:12:00 but wait, I didn't asign zero Apr 12 05:12:10 weird it's not using it itself Apr 12 05:13:12 also zero can be used as immediate operand for comparison, there is no need to put it into a register Apr 12 05:15:32 ssvb, oh nice Apr 12 05:15:54 not what the intrinsics show... Apr 12 05:20:41 is that video of N900s meego legit? Apr 12 05:20:54 if so, thats a little exciting, though pretty boring that it does absolutely nothing right now but a console shell Apr 12 05:21:55 shinkamui, it's legit since meego was released Apr 12 05:22:30 LiraNuna, have you seen the video? Apr 12 05:22:40 this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hI1BI_Ua8 Apr 12 05:23:10 yup Apr 12 05:23:15 thats the one Apr 12 05:23:28 looks legit Apr 12 05:23:38 meego was released on 31st Apr 12 05:24:04 (march) Apr 12 05:24:16 at least from the video Apr 12 05:24:21 it would appear that X isn't working Apr 12 05:24:26 or part of the distribution yet Apr 12 05:24:35 or that guy just didn't know what he was doing, I dont know for sure Apr 12 05:25:01 meego is command line only right now. Apr 12 05:25:04 ^ Apr 12 05:25:08 hih i dmj726_n900 Apr 12 05:25:34 ok, its real late, off to bed Apr 12 05:25:36 hi shinkamui Apr 12 05:25:38 laters guys Apr 12 05:26:47 GOD I'M SO FECKIN BORED Apr 12 05:26:59 I know what I can do! Apr 12 05:27:03 Kick people for fun! Apr 12 05:27:28 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Apr 12 05:28:22 oh... kay Apr 12 05:33:00 ssvb, GCC doesn't use eor for vdup 0, wtf? Apr 12 05:33:07 ssvb, it does for SSE <_< Apr 12 05:42:17 Morning all Apr 12 05:44:13 indeed Apr 12 05:47:21 um new here just passin through Apr 12 05:47:28 moorning indeed Apr 12 05:49:16 morning Jaffa Apr 12 06:00:31 PR1.2 yet? Apr 12 06:00:40 just soft-trolling, nevermind Apr 12 06:02:34 yay for 33gb downloads... Apr 12 06:02:59 windows 8 image? Apr 12 06:03:21 rainbow table Apr 12 06:04:11 heh, i'm rsyncing a mysql db 2x that size right now :) Apr 12 06:04:32 need a dictionary figured might as well just go with hex.. Apr 12 06:05:25 swc|666: that must run like a dog Apr 12 06:06:01 is there a website you could upload a handshake packet to and have it run aircrack on it? Apr 12 06:06:20 wep or wpa? Apr 12 06:06:24 wpa Apr 12 06:07:02 not anymore Apr 12 06:07:03 there were a couple Apr 12 06:07:09 but they were brought down due to abuse Apr 12 06:07:18 well, abuse being the new way of saying "Crap, we can't handle the load" Apr 12 06:07:18 lol sucks Apr 12 06:07:21 crashanddie, it runs well Apr 12 06:07:57 now we just have to carry around 33gb of rainbow tables? lol Apr 12 06:08:02 ech0Asus: Though it'd be interesting to see if it would be possible to harvest the power of GAE and other cloud services for something like that Apr 12 06:08:12 ech0Asus: that's what bittorrent is for Apr 12 06:09:25 going to have to edit my partitions to fit this on my netbook lol Apr 12 06:09:50 ech0Asus: check if this one is still online (can't access it from work) http://ph33rbot.com/kracker/ Apr 12 06:11:12 hey thats cool they do it for 10 bucks Apr 12 06:11:24 ah, so he implemented the payment plan Apr 12 06:11:39 did he modify it to only charge upon success? Apr 12 06:11:42 he had only something like 33% success rate Apr 12 06:11:50 thats not bad i mean that or wait till u can access 33gb of rainbow tables... Apr 12 06:13:09 thx for that link bookmarked :) Apr 12 06:13:30 ech0Asus: there's also this one: http://www.wpacracker.com (again, no idea if still online) Apr 12 06:14:40 i know the dude that runs http://ph33rbot.com/kracker/ Apr 12 06:15:05 its still up and better than moxie marlinspike's cloud cracker Apr 12 06:15:11 and cheaper :) Apr 12 06:16:26 rofl wonder how my netbook is going to act with this 33gb file being opened with aircrack Apr 12 06:18:00 prolly not too well Apr 12 06:18:09 yeah didn't think so Apr 12 06:18:23 any suggestions for a portable dictionary? Apr 12 06:18:28 that method is sloooow anyways Apr 12 06:19:21 how would I start a mediaplayer video via cmdline? Apr 12 06:19:45 i have the handshake packet and have used the tools a lot on wep but i just need a dictionary lol Apr 12 06:20:22 what's the paket encrypt Apr 12 06:20:28 wep wpa wpa2 Apr 12 06:20:41 erm one i just did was wpa Apr 12 06:20:50 shit Apr 12 06:20:52 http://armorry.freevar.com/ Apr 12 06:21:02 chek the first picture Apr 12 06:21:06 for wep Apr 12 06:21:11 it's easy Apr 12 06:21:27 for wpa y need rainbow tables Apr 12 06:21:36 yeah 33gb is downloading lol Apr 12 06:22:11 2 x 33 Apr 12 06:22:19 2? Apr 12 06:22:21 plus bonus 1 or 5-6 gig Apr 12 06:22:39 i got the renderlab one downloading Apr 12 06:22:40 1 of 5or6 Apr 12 06:23:02 i thing it's not worthy Apr 12 06:23:45 use something like SET against the target Apr 12 06:25:37 DocScrutinizer: there has been a maemo mailing list discussion about it, but I have not read it. I'll look into it, hold on. Apr 12 06:25:55 ptl: thanks Apr 12 06:26:45 dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:file:///home/user/MyDocs/.videos/9.mp4 Apr 12 06:26:53 yeah Apr 12 06:26:59 this is it Apr 12 06:27:00 btw, lemme verify if it's in the Phone control page Apr 12 06:28:13 it is... Apr 12 06:28:52 * DocScrutinizer is idiot Apr 12 06:29:19 thought I'll test the AV while doing a tar backup of all /home Apr 12 06:30:03 probably mediaplayer isn't quite happy with the already 100% cpu, before even any mpeg decoding takes place Apr 12 06:31:42 now syslog eats another 20% share of cpu :-S Apr 12 06:31:47 [ 5068.331756] omapdss DISPC error: GFX_FIFO_UNDERFLOW Apr 12 06:32:17 you might call it a bug in design Apr 12 06:34:23 :O Apr 12 06:35:57 Yay, I got a +5 funny on /.! Apr 12 06:36:17 http://paste.debian.net/68505/ MUHAHAAA Apr 12 06:37:15 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1614294&cid=31813210 Apr 12 06:37:17 CPU: 49.7% usr 40.9% sys 0.0% nice 0.0% idle 0.0% io 9.3% irq 0.0% softirq Apr 12 06:37:18 Load average: 3.41 3.27 3.02 Apr 12 06:43:29 I *HATE* BUSYBOX Apr 12 06:43:36 no 'kill' in top Apr 12 06:43:48 yeah Apr 12 06:44:05 that other top prg has it Apr 12 06:44:10 prog* Apr 12 06:44:14 htop or something Apr 12 06:44:29 aah Apr 12 06:44:58 htop Apr 12 06:45:05 htop is much better than top but also uses lots more CPU Apr 12 06:45:33 I prefer atop, that has lots of other interesting statistics and a few good options. Apr 12 06:45:59 hey FlavioFerreiraBR, woke up early? Apr 12 06:46:03 not even 4 o'clock here in Brazil Apr 12 06:46:07 4 in the morning Apr 12 06:46:28 anyway a killall mediaplayer did it Apr 12 06:46:40 I don't like killall because of solaris. :P Apr 12 06:46:58 hehehe Apr 12 06:46:59 I prefer pkill, process kill. It's the same use, you kill a process by name., Apr 12 06:47:31 and it's there, in busybox. Apr 12 06:47:39 erm apt-get install * Apr 12 06:48:23 apt-get install * will just try to apt-get install the names of the files in the current directory. Won't work, usually. Apr 12 06:48:42 I start to doubt the brilliance of the idea tor tar /home Apr 12 06:48:43 apt-get install '*' wouldn't work if there is any package with 'conflicts:' in the repositories you use. Apr 12 06:49:21 apt-get install k* Apr 12 06:49:47 apt-get install '*' Apr 12 06:49:58 rofl im watchin asian dudes play table tenis they are so into it Apr 12 06:49:58 ech0Asus: try and use single or double quotes, because if there is any file beginning with k on the current directories, your command would expand to it. Apr 12 06:50:26 ech0Asus: to understand what I mean, try echo * Apr 12 06:50:40 apt-get install '*' Apr 12 06:50:43 rofl mens doubles they look like two twins Apr 12 06:51:13 u can get people in #ubuntu to type anything lol Apr 12 06:51:30 so you are trying to spoil them, right? Apr 12 06:51:58 tryin to make them check out everything that starts with k... Apr 12 06:52:01 fork bomb comes to mind. Apr 12 06:52:02 Don't do that! Apr 12 06:52:46 * DocScrutinizer wonders WTF those THREE /usr/sbin/omap3camd -d /dev/video1 and another THREE for video0 are for Apr 12 06:52:58 :(){ :|:& };: Apr 12 06:53:00 Don't type these commands. Apr 12 06:53:21 DocScrutinizer: what are you using your camera for?? Apr 12 06:53:30 your cameraS Apr 12 06:53:35 atm? nuttin Apr 12 06:53:57 so whats up with the webcam on the n900... what are we supposed to video conference with cause skype sure doesn't have it... Apr 12 06:53:58 you are using htop Apr 12 06:54:04 for me there is only one process for each camera Apr 12 06:54:23 /usr/sbin/omap3camd -d /dev/video0 -f /tmp/omap3camd0 and /usr/sbin/omap3camd -d /dev/video1 Apr 12 06:54:28 but htop shows the threads Apr 12 06:54:32 by default Apr 12 06:54:42 htop is nice :) Apr 12 06:55:00 so you might be watching all threads from these processes, besides the processes Apr 12 06:55:12 788, 789, 793 : video0 Apr 12 06:55:25 well... these are process identifiers. weird Apr 12 06:55:49 745, 757, 781 video1 Apr 12 06:57:05 but are you using htop? Apr 12 06:57:11 try using ps Apr 12 06:57:35 ok, from using htop I also see three entries for video device Apr 12 07:00:16 but... that's weird. Now I try ps -ef, I see 2 processes only. Then I try ps -eLf to see threads too, and I still see two processes. I can't get the same result as htop. Apr 12 07:00:35 probably threads. htop is weird Apr 12 07:01:01 hmm Apr 12 07:02:17 I'd curse FUCKIN BUSYBOX Apr 12 07:02:59 tried to get by pid Apr 12 07:03:08 that's really weird Apr 12 07:03:17 only the first process appears, the others don't Apr 12 07:03:20 messybox ps is weird Apr 12 07:03:45 s/weird/braindead crap Apr 12 07:03:59 oh Apr 12 07:04:01 pstree shows it Apr 12 07:04:06 try it, pstree -Acp Apr 12 07:04:14 you can grep omap3 if you wish Apr 12 07:04:34 pstree: not found Apr 12 07:04:39 but I wonder why ps -eLf does not shows these threads Apr 12 07:05:04 [root@n900 /root]% dpkg -S `which pstree` Apr 12 07:05:04 psmisc: /usr/bin/pstree Apr 12 07:05:04 Apr 12 07:05:08 ~nuke busybox Apr 12 07:05:11 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at busybox ... B☢☢M! Apr 12 07:05:15 apt-get install psmisc Apr 12 07:05:55 IroN900:~# ps --help Apr 12 07:05:57 BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) multi-call binary Apr 12 07:07:11 oh. Apr 12 07:07:15 that explains it. Apr 12 07:08:38 lol Apr 12 07:08:42 I *HATE* BUSYBOX Apr 12 07:08:43 the psmisc package has a manpage in it Apr 12 07:08:56 cool, alas we got no mandb Apr 12 07:09:12 yep Apr 12 07:09:34 nevertheless Apr 12 07:09:39 it's only listed in the package Apr 12 07:09:46 it was not installed. Doh Apr 12 07:10:02 maybe it couldn't create the /usr/share/man/man1 directory Apr 12 07:10:16 ""OHNOEEES 15MB just for *manpages*?!!?!!!!?! BUT ... we got only 32GB!"" Apr 12 07:11:09 Hey all. :) Apr 12 07:11:17 where can I find the "real" ps? Apr 12 07:11:35 coreutils? Apr 12 07:11:55 Anyone here willing to help me out? It might take a few minutes of your time. I corrupted my memory card trying to partition it. Apr 12 07:12:08 let me try Apr 12 07:12:26 beware!! coreutils are said to kill boot Apr 12 07:12:46 After this operation, 336MB disk space will be freed. Apr 12 07:12:48 lol Apr 12 07:12:59 it would install everything Apr 12 07:13:04 rofl Apr 12 07:13:06 *uninstall everything Apr 12 07:13:17 practically all base packages would be uninstalled Apr 12 07:13:20 what? coreutils?? Apr 12 07:13:59 yes Apr 12 07:14:01 Addison2: reformat it? Apr 12 07:14:33 Yes Doc, I reformatted it completely on my Windows XP. I think I really goobered it somehow. Apr 12 07:14:37 Addison2: the internal eMMC or the uSD Apr 12 07:14:37 morning Apr 12 07:14:39 ? Apr 12 07:14:50 ahh on wixp Apr 12 07:14:57 It's a SanDisk 4 gig card. Apr 12 07:15:02 external mmc Apr 12 07:15:05 so I get it youre talking bout uSd Apr 12 07:15:11 reformat it with vfat filesystem type Apr 12 07:15:14 addison get the boot disk for gparted and use that to format your sandisk Apr 12 07:15:18 it should work Apr 12 07:15:38 just be sure not to format ur xp install... lol Apr 12 07:15:50 I have gparted CD. I restarted my computer and gparted booted just fine. I didn't have a clue how to use it though. Apr 12 07:16:43 erm.. switch it to the sd disk by clicking in top right then use it to format that disk.. its pretty easy has a lot of stuff to click... Apr 12 07:17:00 If I grabbed my wife's laptop and logged back in here. Could you walk me through the steps or find a web page for me to read? I can't seem to find one. Apr 12 07:17:37 Oh, and gparted crashed on me because I didn't know how to even start it. :( Apr 12 07:17:50 I'm a tool by the way. :) Apr 12 07:17:51 um.. Apr 12 07:18:25 * DocScrutinizer suggests (on N900 root): ~> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblk1p1 bs=1M count=10 Apr 12 07:19:08 I'm more of a simple point and click kind of guy. This might be a tough one for me. Apr 12 07:19:20 then remove and reinsert the uSD. N900 should ask you if you want to format it Apr 12 07:19:29 gparted is clickable.. i'd start clickin' that way.. Apr 12 07:20:07 Well, gparted had some kind of screen asking how to boot it and I poopered all over the menus and got lost. Apr 12 07:20:22 that or any other partitioning tool should work great Apr 12 07:20:27 Crap, I hate coming online and looking dumb. :) Apr 12 07:20:28 Is Chrome for N900 being actively developed by someone(tm)? Apr 12 07:20:30 Addison2: forget wixp Apr 12 07:20:41 Addison2: use N900 clean linux Apr 12 07:21:01 I have a N800 by the way. Apr 12 07:21:09 oooh Apr 12 07:21:11 I'm still living in abject poverty. :) Apr 12 07:21:19 i had one of those Apr 12 07:21:25 format it through your file manager Apr 12 07:21:34 hold down and it will pop up a menu Apr 12 07:21:37 Addison2: heh Apr 12 07:21:39 then u can select format Apr 12 07:21:40 Addison2: anyway, should work as well Apr 12 07:21:58 Yeah, it asked if it wanted me for the tablet to try and fix it. That's okay then? Apr 12 07:22:08 n800 was cool, could hold 2 sd cards... Apr 12 07:22:19 yes let it fix it Apr 12 07:22:30 Okay. Thanks. Trying it out right now. Apr 12 07:22:31 it can fix it a lot better then the xp machine can Apr 12 07:22:36 np man Apr 12 07:23:50 So it's saying "Memory card is incorrectly formatted or corrupted." So go ahead and repair? Apr 12 07:23:56 yeah Apr 12 07:24:22 your data is lost at this point on it but u can format it and use it again for other things... Apr 12 07:24:29 "Unable to repair memory card. Format card via File manager." Joy! :D Apr 12 07:24:46 I never had anything on the card to begin with. Apr 12 07:25:02 has the card ever worked? Apr 12 07:25:07 I was trying to do crap to it so I could use Easy Debian. Apr 12 07:25:18 yeah easy debian is great Apr 12 07:25:36 installed it on my 900 day or so ago Apr 12 07:25:42 I wouldn't know. :) Apr 12 07:25:46 Morning Apr 12 07:25:49 mornin' Apr 12 07:25:52 moin Apr 12 07:25:55 moin Apr 12 07:26:00 anyways, try and format it via ur file manager Apr 12 07:26:09 your Apr 12 07:26:26 sorry i'm tired Apr 12 07:28:04 X-Fade: repositories are broken Apr 12 07:28:20 jacekowski: what did you do :) Apr 12 07:28:20 jacekowski: you're broken Apr 12 07:28:20 morning Apr 12 07:28:41 X-Fade: i've sent something yesterday to free, and nothing happened Apr 12 07:28:46 Okay. From File Manager I went to Tools -> Format memory card. Clicked "Okay". It said something like "Formating memory card" with a bar that never filled up. And yeah, it didn't work. :( Apr 12 07:28:56 so 6h later i've sent something to non-free Apr 12 07:29:00 and nothing happened as well Apr 12 07:29:08 jacekowski: build log? Apr 12 07:29:21 there is even bug reported Apr 12 07:29:48 bug 9889 Apr 12 07:29:49 ok find someone with a sd card and swap urs with theirs.. Apr 12 07:29:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9889 Autobuilder does not upload packaged to extras-devel Apr 12 07:30:01 rofl i'm goin to bed... Apr 12 07:30:08 Looking into it. Apr 12 07:30:32 Okay Echo. Sounds like a great idea! Thanks! Apr 12 07:30:57 it looks like there was nothing added into repo since 9th of april Apr 12 07:33:15 Ugh, I found the issue. It is processing again now. Apr 12 07:34:07 it's still building against 1.2? Apr 12 07:36:46 this seems will not change anytime (until 1.3 ;-P ) Apr 12 07:41:40 X-Fade: packages already sent are lost? Apr 12 07:42:05 ptl: have a look at docpurge package. that's why manpages aren't installed Apr 12 07:42:05 jacekowski: of course not. Apr 12 07:44:48 jacekowski: It just hang while processing the queue. But that blockage is gone now and it is processing the backlog. Apr 12 07:46:07 btw. i was quite amazed by 20 minutes build time Apr 12 07:46:32 Dual Quadcore Xeon helps. Apr 12 07:46:40 does it have ccache? Apr 12 07:46:46 No Apr 12 07:46:56 i7? Apr 12 07:47:23 core? Apr 12 07:47:48 5420 Apr 12 07:48:54 mhm i have 5520 here and it's not even close to 20 minutes Apr 12 07:49:17 jacekowski: parallel build? Apr 12 07:49:19 and i don't think vmware is causing that much overhead Apr 12 07:49:28 well -j 2 instead of 4 Apr 12 07:49:55 ( it's vm with 2 vcpus ) Apr 12 07:49:57 vmware is very bad on latency it seems. Apr 12 07:50:19 We had vmware at our previous isp and we had nothing but trouble. Apr 12 07:50:37 ooohnoes now it rebooted in the middle of the giant tarjob Apr 12 07:51:25 ok, disaster Apr 12 07:51:37 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/chromium/ that has to go Apr 12 07:51:52 jacekowski: I can do that. Apr 12 07:53:19 X-Fade: close bug 9889 Apr 12 07:53:20 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9889 Autobuilder does not upload packaged to extras-devel Apr 12 07:54:41 DocScrutinizer: done Apr 12 07:55:13 jacekowski: And why exactly is it a disaster? Apr 12 07:55:36 RST38h: 2 times the same version in 2 separate repos. Apr 12 07:55:41 Ah! Apr 12 07:55:45 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/chromium/ and http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/chromium/ Apr 12 07:58:57 is it possible to just send package to be built and don't import it into repository ( debug build and etc. )? Apr 12 07:59:39 jacekowski: No, that has been mentioned before though. Apr 12 08:15:15 I've just setup a ad-hoc network for the N900 from my laptop Apr 12 08:15:16 justin case Apr 12 08:15:20 *just in case Apr 12 08:15:21 :) Apr 12 08:18:14 i think o2 underestimated demand for joggler Apr 12 08:18:30 i've made an order on wednesday for next day delivery Apr 12 08:18:40 and it's still not shipped Apr 12 08:19:22 why is this device so hot? Apr 12 08:19:47 price Apr 12 08:19:51 and what it can do Apr 12 08:19:52 drop it like its hot! Apr 12 08:19:59 its pretty hackable isnt it? Apr 12 08:20:07 yes Apr 12 08:20:16 http://shop.o2.co.uk/joggler Apr 12 08:20:32 ptl: 3G , then ad-hoc wifi? Apr 12 08:21:05 Appiah: 3G, then my regular wifi (linksys router), then ad-hoc wifi Apr 12 08:22:26 so you're connected to 3G and Wifi at the same time? Apr 12 08:22:38 no, no Apr 12 08:22:46 * wired was watching some xvid series on a TV set the other day, streamed over wifi from his laptop, using the vid-out cable, on a 800mhz oc'd n900 (thank god for oc, mplayer would drop too many frames otherwise :)) Apr 12 08:22:47 the N900 tries 3G first Apr 12 08:23:11 I'm going to install it anytime, wired Apr 12 08:23:17 while at the same time i tethered my 3d connection through the same (adhoc) wifi connection to my laptop Apr 12 08:23:21 I'm just waiting for PR1.2 Apr 12 08:23:24 you have to love this device :) Apr 12 08:23:28 you bet Apr 12 08:23:34 s/3d/3g/ Apr 12 08:24:00 because the stock kernel does not Apr 12 08:24:02 btw, any of these overclocked kernels has support for full NAT? Apr 12 08:24:15 yes the titan one works brilliantly Apr 12 08:24:22 hmmm, cool. Apr 12 08:24:24 and you can oc on demand Apr 12 08:24:28 :D Apr 12 08:24:36 so i keep it at 600 and oc to 800 when i need it :) Apr 12 08:24:47 I been watching some series on the n900 Apr 12 08:24:51 and had smooth playback Apr 12 08:25:10 that depends on the codec and bitrate :) Apr 12 08:25:24 ofcourse Apr 12 08:26:27 but I have yet try to watch something in high quailty that the n900 could not handle Apr 12 08:26:56 So what codec and bitrate cant the n900 handle without oc wired ? Apr 12 08:30:54 Appiah: well those vids weren't anything too high, let me see if i can check it out from here Apr 12 08:31:04 maarp Apr 12 08:32:31 VIDEO: [XVID] 512x384 12bpp 23.976 fps 910.0 kbps (111.1 kbyte/s) Apr 12 08:32:40 this one, using mplayer Apr 12 08:35:08 im gonna say thats mplayer, I have no trouble with those kinds of quality with the standard media player Apr 12 08:38:17 its possible Apr 12 08:38:19 hmm Apr 12 08:38:57 i'll have to test it. keep in mind i was using the tv-out, not sure if that brings some sort of penalty Apr 12 08:39:08 to performance Apr 12 08:51:49 ShadowJK: I note bq* datasheet says 20mr Apr 12 08:52:24 it's just an example Apr 12 08:52:39 but I did switch to 20 a week or two ago Apr 12 08:53:16 k Apr 12 08:53:26 I need to measure. Apr 12 08:53:39 too much boring shit to do. Apr 12 08:53:51 And soldering iron died. Apr 12 09:35:36 some wanker is trying to dos my server Apr 12 09:36:17 jacekowski: http redirect 127.0.0.1? Apr 12 09:36:25 just ignoring him Apr 12 09:37:01 he's not very good at it and cband is enough Apr 12 09:40:10 hello Apr 12 09:40:16 has anyone tried PhoneGap on maemo? Apr 12 09:40:35 http://blog.mfabrik.com/phonegap-on-maemo/ Apr 12 09:40:47 works well in scratchbox x68 Apr 12 09:40:53 but on the phone i get a segfault Apr 12 09:42:10 it would be helpful if you could provide core dump/stack trace/anything Apr 12 09:42:47 btw. what was name of that app that could create core dump without killing application? Apr 12 09:45:28 jacekowski, gdb? Apr 12 09:50:28 heh.. n900 made one ugly thing to maemo.org Apr 12 09:50:39 t.m.o is not worth reading anymore Apr 12 09:50:51 too much crap there Apr 12 09:50:53 konttori: hi Apr 12 09:54:19 jacekowski: when running in gdb, i get this: Apr 12 09:54:42 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. Apr 12 09:54:42 0x4085aa1c in QMetaObject::indexOfSignal(char const*) const () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 Apr 12 09:54:43 0x4085aa1c <_ZNK11QMetaObject13indexOfSignalEPKc+32>: ldr r0, [r1, #16] Apr 12 10:07:16 konttori hops in and out, in and out Apr 12 10:07:28 avoiding our questions Apr 12 10:08:16 Scelt, konttori hops in and out because hes not in work at the moment Apr 12 10:08:26 why Apr 12 10:08:48 baby month Apr 12 10:09:12 nice Apr 12 10:26:28 * kirma wonders if it's possible in any sensible way to maintain an informative, advanced-hacking discussion board for product sold in scale of millions without all that crap or overreaching moderation Apr 12 10:27:56 kirma: i guess Here Comes Everybody would tell you that Apr 12 10:28:32 the Clay Shirky's book Apr 12 10:29:01 I guess I've heard it being mentioned earlier too Apr 12 10:29:36 i should order it, actually... Apr 12 10:29:45 the xUnit book i'm reading is killing me Apr 12 10:38:12 kirma: increase entry difficulty Apr 12 10:40:10 kirma: if you can filter 99% of the people, it is more likely that the remaining 1% are dedicated to the use of the platform. of course, you can have dedicated trolls, but they are usually easier to ignore than the generic white noise Apr 12 10:44:11 jacekowski: if the chromium package works, I check my dinner to be sure there is no hallucinating mushroom in it :) Apr 12 10:44:24 rom1dep: it's working Apr 12 10:44:42 i hope so Apr 12 10:45:02 jacekowski: sorry for the tragedy Apr 12 10:45:10 i don't care Apr 12 10:45:31 they shouldn't have tried to land on too short runway in bad conditions Apr 12 10:46:13 sure. and they all shouldn't have been in the same airplane. but still it's awful Apr 12 10:46:18 jacekowski: you located around warsaw btw? Apr 12 10:46:22 no Apr 12 10:46:30 k Apr 12 10:47:24 i'm around colchester Apr 12 10:47:26 * Stskeeps ponders if there is more maemo people in warsaw Apr 12 10:47:47 doubt that there will be a lot of maemo people in poland Apr 12 10:47:59 ( n900 in poland costs about average monthly salary ) Apr 12 10:48:08 + contract Apr 12 10:48:20 I chucked most of my first paycheck at my n900 :P Apr 12 10:48:22 worth it Apr 12 10:49:20 rom1dep: there are some bugs in it but it's working as such Apr 12 10:49:23 jacekowski: damn, it starts... and works ! great job :) Apr 12 10:49:24 * Arkenoi bought my second n900 via "unofficial import", it saved me almost 30% Apr 12 10:49:35 rom1dep: maemo2 version? Apr 12 10:49:37 Stskeeps: theres 2 (3 with yours) pins the in the "maemo" map in warszawa at least Apr 12 10:49:39 :o Apr 12 10:49:45 frals: :nod: Apr 12 10:49:45 unofficial import? Apr 12 10:49:50 rom1dep: from extras? Apr 12 10:50:11 jacekowski: yepp, from extras, on n900 1.1 Apr 12 10:50:13 i'm surprised that it's working after so many stories of builder building broken packages Apr 12 10:50:17 haltdef: middle east version, they are much cheaper there Apr 12 10:50:22 ah Apr 12 10:50:31 shipping didn't cancel it out? Apr 12 10:50:47 haltdef: why? Apr 12 10:50:50 haltdef: they want to sell Apr 12 10:50:52 nope, here are guys who sell it via local internet stores Apr 12 10:50:55 I'm doing some sunspider bench :) Apr 12 10:51:00 nice Apr 12 10:51:03 so i ordered it and got it the same day Apr 12 10:51:03 haltdef: as long as you pay for it Apr 12 10:51:11 Arkenoi: same day? Apr 12 10:51:19 yep Apr 12 10:51:19 yep, it is not cheap. if i would bought one, my girlfriend would like one too. that makes two, which would be expensive. :-| Apr 12 10:51:27 4 hours actually Apr 12 10:51:42 shiping with that speed made it costs twice as much probably Apr 12 10:51:52 I stopped trying to justify my smartphone purchases a while ago :P Apr 12 10:52:11 when i order something from abroad it ussualy spends at least couple days on customs Apr 12 10:52:17 i guess they just have some in local stock ;-) Apr 12 10:53:05 rom1dep: i've tried it and it just got stuck at some point Apr 12 10:53:17 rom1dep: v8 benchmark worked fine Apr 12 10:53:28 rom1dep: and microb got about 18 points in it Apr 12 10:53:35 rom1dep: chrome about 100 Apr 12 10:53:41 rom1dep: opera on my laptop about 3000 Apr 12 10:53:57 but chrome can go little bit higher Apr 12 10:54:12 because current builds have disabled couple features that could make it faster Apr 12 10:54:18 and i'm again talking to myself Apr 12 10:54:26 I got 35s with microB, 22 with midori http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/04/ipad-review.ars/17 Apr 12 10:55:37 the test is running but I fear I'll have to start it again after it finishes (if it finishes) because there was apps runing behind and I received a sms (slows the test) Apr 12 10:56:04 i mean- it went trough couple of loops before it got stuck Apr 12 10:56:39 and microb failed to do complete test Apr 12 10:56:44 ok, I reached the result page, 22s, starting it again... Apr 12 10:56:49 lizardo: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings/More_examples doesn't do it in the right way Apr 12 10:56:54 but on tests that run average score was about 18 Apr 12 10:57:32 jacekowski: 18s ? Apr 12 10:57:48 i'm talking about v8 Apr 12 10:57:52 different benchmark Apr 12 10:58:27 barisione: what you mean? Apr 12 10:58:39 lizardo: I just commented on the thread on the forum Apr 12 10:58:44 oh ok, I'm testing through sunspider for now :) Apr 12 10:58:46 you should not use libebook directly Apr 12 10:58:55 lizardo: but just libosso-abook Apr 12 10:59:14 if you just use libebook things will work in most cases but not always Apr 12 10:59:57 rom1dep: have you tried to benchmark microb? Apr 12 11:00:50 jacekowski: yepp, as said before I got 35s Apr 12 11:00:53 fewer is better Apr 12 11:01:18 barisione: yes, I'm aware of that... but for some people/situations the returned information should be enough... of course you lack all the great things from abook Apr 12 11:01:29 jacekowski: I tried midori too (I guess tear would give the same score) and got 22s Apr 12 11:01:42 barisione: but if you give me a C working example I can add ctypes equivalent code to that page too :) Apr 12 11:02:02 so for now, chromium is at least as fast as the fastest browser for n900 :) Apr 12 11:02:27 is chrome for N900 being actively developed by someon? Apr 12 11:02:47 rom1dep: you've tried fennec, microb, tear, firefox (on debian) ? Apr 12 11:02:48 Or is it just a one-man-proof-of-concept ? Apr 12 11:02:53 proof Apr 12 11:03:03 jacekowski: just finished 17814.2ms : chromium is the fastest :) Apr 12 11:05:55 SpeedEvil: I'm speaking about reasults gotten on the n900 (I don't have the sdk installed on a pc) because tear and midori are both running GtkWebKit I see no reason to try the two (but maybe will I try later) for fennec vs microB, my experience is microB is the fastest but I didn't run sunspider with fennec to be sure... Apr 12 11:07:19 fcrozat: :) Apr 12 11:07:30 fennec... mozilla should work on adding speed to it first Apr 12 11:08:21 rom1dep: still, it's not even close to desktop browser Apr 12 11:08:33 hrw: trace monkey is conceptually slower than other jit... let me 2s to find an interesting post about it :) Apr 12 11:08:38 I have had firefox working as fast as my desktop browser. Apr 12 11:08:49 (displaying from desktop) Apr 12 11:08:52 rom1dep: I do not care about JS speed Apr 12 11:09:06 rom1dep: fennec as such is slow Apr 12 11:09:08 results on desktop are like 18 times better Apr 12 11:09:18 at least Apr 12 11:09:29 hrw: Not IME. Apr 12 11:09:42 hrw: It tends to paint screen faster for me. Apr 12 11:09:54 the killer is lack of some features Apr 12 11:10:18 hrw: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/mozilla-borrows-from-webkit-to-build-fast-new-js-engine.ars Apr 12 11:10:37 i think o2 is having serious problem with amount of joggler orders Apr 12 11:10:52 personally I treat microb with such care as opera mini on my e66 phone Apr 12 11:10:58 jacekowski: how could a small arm 600Mhz compete with some multi-core pc ? Apr 12 11:11:13 browser to be used only when I really need browser and do not have desktop available Apr 12 11:11:41 lynx! Apr 12 11:11:48 as fast on mobile as desktop Apr 12 11:12:05 i have to get gcc on my phone Apr 12 11:12:18 is usb networking working on windows? Apr 12 11:12:36 jacekowski: any browser running on the n900 could probably be optimized, of course, but copmaring scores obtained on n900 vs computers is a nonsence since hardware is not comparable... Apr 12 11:12:50 i know Apr 12 11:12:50 Interesting Apr 12 11:12:54 but that shows how slow it is Apr 12 11:13:03 pointed at /. - iceweasel renders some page content first Apr 12 11:13:09 Afternoon, all Apr 12 11:13:45 you should compare time to full load Apr 12 11:13:59 jacekowski: I know - for benchmarking - it's not quite so good. Apr 12 11:14:14 jacekowski: But if you're not benchmarking, the initial load may be important Apr 12 11:14:34 besides, any optimization can be carried over to PC side and the relative speed difference remains :) Apr 12 11:15:32 rom1dep: v8 in chrome is running native arm code Apr 12 11:15:36 rom1dep: blah Apr 12 11:15:42 rom1dep: it's compiling js to native arm code Apr 12 11:15:57 rom1dep: there are some feature that are disabled at the moment Apr 12 11:16:05 rom1dep: and memory allocator sucks Apr 12 11:18:14 jacekowski: :) I just got 117 on google's-v8 benchmark, my atom netbook I'm typing with got 418 (dual core) so it's not that bad, it's even fastest now on n900 than firefox 1.5 years ago on my netbook... Apr 12 11:20:05 That's good programming, when competition btw different technologies makes software run faster (in contrary to what we see most of the time : programs getting bigger and bigger and so on, slower...) Apr 12 11:20:09 lizardo: I added a C example in the thread Apr 12 11:21:32 rom1dep: i really want to se futhark on maemo Apr 12 11:22:20 and even better carkan Apr 12 11:24:08 jacekowski: Those sound like Vikings not applications Apr 12 11:24:57 Are those even apps or are you talking about something else? Apr 12 11:24:58 v8 on stock n900 browser gave me 16.5 on first run, 17.7 on second Apr 12 11:25:02 jacekowski: anyway, that'll make fennec guys angry, at it's first -unofficial- try, chromium -unoptimized- is 3 times faster than firefox... Apr 12 11:25:28 Termana: it's kinda vikingish Apr 12 11:25:43 Explains a lot then... :P Apr 12 11:26:04 Termana: it's name of js engine in opera Apr 12 11:26:10 Termana: and opera is from norawy Apr 12 11:26:12 norway* Apr 12 11:26:14 wired: so it's more than 3x faster... Apr 12 11:26:22 then i oc'd to 800mhx and got 23.2 Apr 12 11:26:23 :p Apr 12 11:27:06 wired: no oc, 600mhz, 117 B) Apr 12 11:27:26 that's crazy Apr 12 11:27:41 with chromium? Apr 12 11:27:46 wired: yepp Apr 12 11:27:49 let me try Apr 12 11:28:04 * wired starts chromium Apr 12 11:28:58 what i need for usb networking? Apr 12 11:29:21 barisione: thanks :) Apr 12 11:30:02 holy Apr 12 11:30:05 111 on first run Apr 12 11:30:13 wired: also, close microb running behind, you can easily lose 30% if chromium isn't running alone... Apr 12 11:30:33 rom1dep: i didn't close it, 111 on first run :) Apr 12 11:30:38 wired: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/04/ipad-review.ars/17 Apr 12 11:30:45 keep in mind my chromium is running from within a gentoo chroot :P Apr 12 11:31:29 look at this : n900 has the fastest browsing experience :) Apr 12 11:31:33 (now) Apr 12 11:31:34 112 on second run, lets try @800 Apr 12 11:31:45 jacekowski: a linux OS for PC and a modified /etc/network/interfaces iirc Apr 12 11:32:07 is there a native maemo chromium build available anywhere? Apr 12 11:32:26 131 @ 800mhz :) Apr 12 11:32:45 wired: yepp, check extras-testing, thank to jacekowski :) Apr 12 11:32:59 interesting, so i can see the difference with my chrooted one Apr 12 11:33:01 :) Apr 12 11:33:04 jacekowski: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Apr 12 11:33:14 wired: what is this benchmark? Apr 12 11:33:26 SpeedEvil: google's V8 javascript benchmark Apr 12 11:33:50 wired: you got ~ same score as me, just I'm not chrooted.. are you on pr1.2 ? Apr 12 11:34:13 rom1dep: no Apr 12 11:34:58 so chromium is the fastest browser on N900 these days? Apr 12 11:34:59 wired: so chroot seems not to break perfs at all :) Apr 12 11:35:21 well, it shouldn't anyway ;) Apr 12 11:35:28 unless it means you swap more Apr 12 11:35:30 which it may Apr 12 11:35:56 javascript performance is nice - but orthoganol to speed Apr 12 11:36:19 mece: looks like, making n900 the fastest mobile tablet ever (at least on the v8 benckmark) → faster than the shiny new iPad :) Apr 12 11:36:21 speed depends on how fast the user thinks it is, not how fast it is Apr 12 11:36:53 well ipad doesn't have flash Apr 12 11:36:58 so you cant really compare them Apr 12 11:36:59 :P Apr 12 11:37:11 does someone know whether meego will use a webkit-browser or stay with the old gecko? Apr 12 11:38:05 rom1dep, how is it at standard speeds then? Apr 12 11:38:06 Treibholz: probably use QtWebKit through harmattan... I'm just guessing Apr 12 11:38:47 mece: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/04/ipad-review.ars/17 Apr 12 11:39:13 mece: and read the scores we previously got wired and me Apr 12 11:39:43 112 was at default speeds? Apr 12 11:39:47 pretty cool. Apr 12 11:40:37 mece: on v8 18% faster than iPad, 100% faster tan nexus one, 500% faster than iPhone 3Gs Apr 12 11:40:43 mm the maemo chromium uses hildon menus, nice Apr 12 11:41:02 is there a way to scroll in-page? Apr 12 11:41:17 wired: use the scrollbar ? Apr 12 11:41:47 obviously, i meant without the scrollbar Apr 12 11:41:54 mece: 7.92 - iceweasel Apr 12 11:42:19 the scrollbar is too tiny to use and the edges on the screen are superannoying to use Apr 12 11:43:01 yay flash works too =] Apr 12 11:43:06 I have installed all-in-one gestures on iceweasel Apr 12 11:43:08 which works ok Apr 12 11:43:18 wired: chrome touch extension Apr 12 11:43:31 jacekowski: thanks for a job well done Apr 12 11:43:33 :) Apr 12 11:44:14 wired: it's not really a "port" of chromium, but a hack to make it compile and run on maemo, I doubt jacekowski has had time to work on gui to make it finger friendly nor if he aims to :) Apr 12 11:44:38 aim is to work on gui Apr 12 11:44:50 but it's not my full time day job Apr 12 11:44:52 well it does use hildon gui elements which my version does not :P Apr 12 11:44:53 frals: I'm now playing with barisione 's example... indeed the search results look more "sane" now :D Apr 12 11:45:37 jacekowski: do you have feedback from google chromium devs ? It could be an interesting market for them since firefox guys sit on it ? Apr 12 11:45:42 i guess i should set up a scratchbox and build stuff for maemo myself :) Apr 12 11:45:52 rom1dep: it makes android look bad Apr 12 11:46:37 lizardo, frals: and my example also gets phone numbers coming from skype, not only the locally stored ones Apr 12 11:46:49 jacekowski: too bad :/ maybe open a git repo somewhere, I'm sure people will be interested in working on that :) Apr 12 11:47:17 barisione: yes, although for frals' application (fMMS) I believe he will need to filter that somehow... Apr 12 11:47:50 barisione, lizardo: for only getting cellnumbers/email - is there any benefit of using the 'pure' osso_abook way? Apr 12 11:48:00 nah, git sucks Apr 12 11:48:03 i've got svn Apr 12 11:48:16 great, with the touch extension its actually usable Apr 12 11:48:16 :D Apr 12 11:48:53 jacekowski: any easy ways to get all the missing certificates? Apr 12 11:48:54 lizardo, frals: what I mean is that skype gives you the ability to set your own phone number, so your contacts get it for free. that's a normal phone number, so you should be able to send MMSes to it Apr 12 11:49:06 although its fun to see google with the scull icon lol Apr 12 11:49:09 barisione: oh, I see :) Apr 12 11:49:18 barisione: oh, thats pretty nifty Apr 12 11:49:19 wired: i've not even played with it Apr 12 11:49:23 jacekowski: I agree with you ^^ but when you see meego, harmattan, (soon) kde... /o\ Apr 12 11:49:31 frals: at least in my case, the abook API returned more complete information Apr 12 11:49:55 barisione: e.g. the osso_abook_contact_get_display_name() function returned useful information Apr 12 11:50:14 barisione: for the contacts returned through the ebook API, it was returning "No name" sometimes Apr 12 11:50:14 lizardo: in my case im only after the contacts UID Apr 12 11:50:22 frals: in general it's faster (stuff could be cached), it should always work (there are a lots of corners cases in which libebook doesn't work properly) and you get better info (for instance the display name could come from IM) Apr 12 11:50:44 lizardo: how were you getting the contact name using the libebook api? Apr 12 11:50:45 barisione: ok, thanks for the info :) Apr 12 11:51:21 barisione: e_contact_get_const (contact, E_CONTACT_FULL_NAME) Apr 12 11:51:36 ah yeah, that returns only the full name Apr 12 11:51:43 barisione: (note I'm totally newbie on abook/ebook APIs) Apr 12 11:51:45 but the display name could come from other things Apr 12 11:52:08 lizardo: did you write the example in http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings#Accessing_Items_in_a_GList ? Apr 12 11:52:11 barisione: how does osso_abook_contact_get_display_name() decide which name to display? Apr 12 11:52:25 barisione: correct... in some of my contacts that field was empty, but abook seems to always return the expected name Apr 12 11:52:33 frals: magic and settings Apr 12 11:52:51 barisione: yes, feel free to suggest improvements :) Apr 12 11:53:07 barisione: ok :) Apr 12 11:53:13 frals: you can choose in the UI if you want “first last”, “last, first” or “nickname” and the default setting is different in different languages Apr 12 11:53:20 what was default user password? Apr 12 11:53:34 does the N900 get a "fail" on the first test like droid and iphone? Apr 12 11:53:52 mece: no Apr 12 11:53:59 frals: so libosso-abook tries to get the display name from the local contact based on the settings, if it fails from the IM contact and if it fails uses another name (like the nickname instead of the full name) Apr 12 11:54:03 figured :) Apr 12 11:54:45 frals, lizardo: also, vcards have a full name fiels (FN) and a name field (N). only one of them could be specified or both Apr 12 11:55:00 libosso-abook should use N and I think fallback on FN if needed Apr 12 11:55:08 barisione: ok.. guess ill start using that instead of whatever python-evolution does when it does get_name() on a contact as that sometimes is empty :) Apr 12 11:55:43 lizardo: g_list_nth should not be used as it's slow (it has to go through the full list every time) Apr 12 11:56:39 lizardo: with glists you do what I do in my C example Apr 12 11:57:43 barisione: ok, will change that as well , thanks for the tip Apr 12 11:57:49 np Apr 12 11:58:12 "ctypes: connecting Python and C people" Apr 12 11:59:14 :D Apr 12 11:59:38 must leave, bye ! Apr 12 12:11:39 where's the USB networking module for N900? I can't find any usb-network-modules package Apr 12 12:13:15 mad-developer Apr 12 12:15:32 wow the chrome on the battery cover is black Apr 12 12:15:46 it's getting scratched Apr 12 12:15:55 that's cheap... Apr 12 12:21:15 argh what- the maemo-pc-connectivity package doesn't exist either? what's going on? Apr 12 12:25:16 jacekowski, was the mad-developer something for me? Apr 12 12:25:22 isn't that PC side Apr 12 12:35:57 SystemParadox: it's phone side Apr 12 12:36:37 why internet in scratchbox is not working Apr 12 12:36:49 fresh install Apr 12 12:37:00 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' Apr 12 12:37:09 and my /etc/resolv.conf is correct Apr 12 12:37:34 does ping www.google.com work? Apr 12 12:37:38 what about restarting? Apr 12 12:37:58 jacekowski: be sure to be editing the proper /etc/resolv.conf Apr 12 12:38:00 there is no ping in scratchbox Apr 12 12:38:00 jacekowski, I can't find any of these packages, no maddeveloper, no usb-network-modules, no maemo-pc-connectivity. Where are they? Apr 12 12:38:08 SystemParadox: mad-developer Apr 12 12:38:17 SystemParadox: in extras-devel or extras-testing Apr 12 12:38:24 jacekowski, maybe wget then Apr 12 12:38:33 ok Apr 12 12:38:38 mhm Apr 12 12:38:42 wget is working fine Apr 12 12:38:47 Still no PR1.2 crazy, Apr 12 12:38:52 resolv.conf just uses localhost, the nameserver settings are dynamicly stored in /var/run by dnsmasq Apr 12 12:39:17 Anyone successfully done a dist-upgrade using devel repo on their N900? ^.^ Apr 12 12:39:31 https Apr 12 12:39:41 so what's wrong with apt? Apr 12 12:40:00 jacekowski, is it https or http Apr 12 12:40:00 and it's not timeout Apr 12 12:40:08 Anss|: no Apr 12 12:40:25 Anss|: that shouldn't cause that error anyways Apr 12 12:40:49 is extras-testing safe to enable? Apr 12 12:41:12 safer than flying a plane Apr 12 12:41:39 I can fly a plane. It's still safer? Apr 12 12:42:01 yes Apr 12 12:42:21 there was huge plane crash 2 days ago Apr 12 12:42:28 but can you fly a helicopter Apr 12 12:43:14 jacekowski: libxss installation fails Apr 12 12:44:02 Scelt: fails on what? Apr 12 12:44:04 error Apr 12 12:44:20 is it the one from extras-devel repo? Apr 12 12:44:29 jacekowski: error code 1. unpack. trying to overwrite libxs.so.1.0.0 Apr 12 12:44:33 devel Apr 12 12:44:45 uninstall previous version Apr 12 12:44:57 the one you probably have from jacekowski.org/maemo/ Apr 12 12:45:02 yeah Apr 12 12:45:03 okay Apr 12 12:45:09 great Apr 12 12:45:12 E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages (1) Apr 12 12:45:42 hi chaps Apr 12 12:47:52 hey brah Apr 12 12:49:34 hi crashanddie_ Apr 12 12:49:46 frals: fmms doesn't use local time settings, it gives time always in UTC Apr 12 12:50:25 excellent Apr 12 12:51:05 I mean if it gives the correct time in utc in all cirumstances, it beats my s60 nokia phon Apr 12 12:51:37 well, not sure but at least it gives UTC in mine even I'm using EET Apr 12 12:51:46 anyone know how the hold down for right click is handled in Qt? Apr 12 12:53:29 http://gadzetomania.pl/images/2010/04/ipad_fail1.jpg Apr 12 12:54:52 old news Apr 12 12:55:50 haha Apr 12 12:59:20 Could someone give me a hint as to what to look at for Qt copy to clipboard functionality, or do I use the standard osso libs? Apr 12 12:59:35 have you guys check the dui gitorious lately? Apr 12 13:04:28 lardman: right click Apr 12 13:05:04 morning ppl Apr 12 13:07:12 frals: ok, I just made a new ctypes example based on barisione's code: http://pastebin.com/Wgdr2Rkj Apr 12 13:07:36 I'll update the wiki with it Apr 12 13:08:43 lizardo: why hash(osso_ctx)? Apr 12 13:09:23 barisione: it is how you get a GObject's C address in ctypes Apr 12 13:09:46 ah Apr 12 13:09:47 weird :) Apr 12 13:10:04 barisione: http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq23.041.htp Apr 12 13:10:24 lizardo: your glist(addr) seems to break if addr is null Apr 12 13:10:48 also, I'm not sure how it can work Apr 12 13:10:50 barisione: yes, but ... works :) it happens that pygobject uses the underlying C object address as the Python object hash Apr 12 13:11:33 barisione: yes, I was assuming the caller checks for the null pointer beforing calling it Apr 12 13:11:37 lizardo: you need to check the value of addr before passing it on to .from_address() Apr 12 13:11:51 lizardo: NULL is a valid empty list in C Apr 12 13:12:04 barisione: in glib, you mean :) Apr 12 13:12:10 yes :) Apr 12 13:12:21 well, usually lists are implemented like that in C Apr 12 13:12:41 barisione: sure , I can add a simple check that make the iterator return nothing Apr 12 13:12:50 lizardo: also, won't l be the same at every iteration as you always get it from the address? Apr 12 13:12:51 so it becomes more "C friendly" Apr 12 13:12:57 * lardman twiddles thumbs while SDK upgrades Apr 12 13:13:20 barisione: no, because of the yield operator Apr 12 13:13:47 barisione: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/classes.html#generators Apr 12 13:13:59 barisione: it's a neat Python trick :) Apr 12 13:14:32 (it also exists in other languanges , but usually is a kind of strange concept to C programmers) Apr 12 13:15:29 lizardo: I know about it :P but never really used python after yield was added to the language Apr 12 13:15:50 lizardo: but I don't understand how yield changes stuff here Apr 12 13:16:22 barisione: it should work because the yield is inside a while loop Apr 12 13:16:43 barisione: so it returns the item's on each iterations and saves the context Apr 12 13:16:44 lizardo: yes, but you overwrite l at every iteration Apr 12 13:16:55 barisione: no... because of the generator concept Apr 12 13:17:06 barisione: on next glist() call, it jumps to the saved context Apr 12 13:17:28 barisione: it's kind like C's longjump (IIRC) Apr 12 13:17:53 but addr remains the same at every iteration? Apr 12 13:17:55 or not? Apr 12 13:19:49 barisione: e.g. , http://pastebin.com/YE6qRFBi Apr 12 13:19:53 d00d Apr 12 13:19:57 I gotta port crossfire Apr 12 13:20:00 the client Apr 12 13:20:01 :) Apr 12 13:20:12 I haven't played that in ages, just started thinknig about it randomly today Apr 12 13:20:18 bug 5422, that's good news I see just posted Apr 12 13:20:20 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5422 Disconnect inactive internet connections after idle timeout Apr 12 13:20:44 barisione: oh, I see what you mean :) Apr 12 13:20:56 barisione: it's a bug :) Apr 12 13:21:03 it should be "l" Apr 12 13:21:06 bug 6933 Apr 12 13:21:07 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong Apr 12 13:21:31 barisione: happens when you read your own code for a long time... Apr 12 13:21:37 :) Apr 12 13:22:12 lizardo: yeah, you should have: Apr 12 13:22:18 l = addr Apr 12 13:22:21 while l: Apr 12 13:22:28 yep :) Apr 12 13:22:33 l = _GList.from_address(l) Apr 12 13:22:39 yield l.data Apr 12 13:22:45 l = l.next Apr 12 13:24:07 barisione: tks again :) I'll update the wiki pages asap Apr 12 13:25:26 * noobmonk3y blames MohammadAG for the world shortage of pistachio nuts... which is in turn causing bored people to spit randomly in different directions instead of spitooning the nut shells.... Which in turn will cause world flooding due to the in-balance of spit.... poor old MohammadAG. ;) Apr 12 13:25:29 right back to work..... Apr 12 13:26:19 barisione, frals : ok... try #2: http://pastebin.com/5P1t0GVs Apr 12 13:28:53 lizardo: seems fine but I'm not an expert of ctypes Apr 12 13:29:35 barisione: neither am I :) I enjoy playing with it though, I can get quick prototypes much faster than plain C Apr 12 13:30:07 s/quick// Apr 12 13:30:09 lizardo meant: barisione: neither am I :) I enjoy playing with it though, I can get prototypes much faster than plain C Apr 12 13:30:12 got a question on dbus mce request?? i somehow didn't get the proxy object from dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name.. and the error message showed nothing.. any ideas? Apr 12 13:30:42 (C is usually faster in performance) Apr 12 13:39:16 fy nokia Apr 12 13:39:31 where's pr1.2? where's ovi maps 3? Apr 12 13:40:55 who cares Apr 12 13:40:59 my n900 rocks as is :P Apr 12 13:41:18 * RST38h directs Scelt to a little blackened hole in the ground Apr 12 13:41:42 RST38h: I don't wanna see your black holes Apr 12 13:43:29 wired, agree Apr 12 13:43:48 ovi maps 3 would be nice tho Apr 12 13:44:00 got a question on dbus mce request?? i somehow didn't get the proxy object from dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name.. and the error message showed nothing.. any ideas? Apr 12 13:44:04 and a bigger default root partition as wel :P Apr 12 13:44:07 +l Apr 12 13:44:13 root partition is fine for me :) Apr 12 13:44:56 Heya ! Apr 12 13:45:18 maybe they could do something with battery usage too. I mean, I barely get thru day :( Apr 12 13:45:19 Someone have try the pyside example ? particulary the syntax hilighter example ? it s freeze/loop each time something is written in the QText widget ... Apr 12 13:46:30 squidd: battery is an issue yeah, but if you're careful it works ok... wifi switcher helps a lot Apr 12 13:48:03 yah Apr 12 13:48:55 11 Apr 12 13:48:59 * Khertan have a powerfull Samsung n130 which is in fact a good charger for n900 (usb charge) :) Apr 12 13:49:27 I think I need to try using only 2G tomorrow in work since I can use wlan there. Maybe it helps when it doesnt jump between 2G-3G Apr 12 13:50:07 2G+wlan shouldnt use that much battery? Apr 12 13:50:28 as long as the wlan access point isn't crap, yeah Apr 12 13:50:41 well, thats the problem aswell :) Apr 12 13:51:04 since sometimes I need to go between two different wlan access points Apr 12 13:51:14 one doesnt cover the whole place so i got two \o& Apr 12 13:51:18 \o/* Apr 12 13:51:38 its really hard to not drain the battery with wifi... Apr 12 13:52:19 mine sirs like 24 hours or something on wifi with xchat open Apr 12 13:52:24 It shouldnt drain it as fast as with 2G-3G jumping tho Apr 12 13:53:30 3g uses about 20 times more power than noncrap wifi for the always-online case with frequent but low amounts of data transfer Apr 12 13:53:56 yay Apr 12 13:54:23 so 2G + wifi should be good for me when I'm at work Apr 12 13:54:29 need to try it tomorow Apr 12 13:54:40 +r Apr 12 13:55:42 data on 2g should be lots better too Apr 12 13:56:03 ya, but its so damn slow :( Apr 12 13:56:21 depends what you are doing of course Apr 12 13:56:27 works well for ssh+irssi but for browsing it sucks Apr 12 13:56:33 irc over 2g works well Apr 12 13:56:42 it does, yes Apr 12 13:56:50 used it today Apr 12 13:57:23 * MohammadAG wants a static IP for his 3G/2G connection Apr 12 13:57:49 I dont browse that many sites that would be light enough that cpu use would be a smaller part than the transfer over edge Apr 12 13:58:08 * Khertan want that isp remove limitation on things other than http and https on his 3G/2G connection Apr 12 13:58:17 * noobmonk3y blinks Apr 12 13:58:29 morning gentlemen Apr 12 13:58:40 but for gpodder 3g rocks, 5MBit/s! Apr 12 13:59:09 wikipedia: no difference between edge/3g/wifi... layout is so heavy Apr 12 13:59:34 ehh Apr 12 13:59:42 * jacekowski just lost all hope Apr 12 14:00:23 i just found web page where somebody packed my chrome build and clams ownership of it Apr 12 14:00:26 claims* Apr 12 14:01:02 thats cool, isn't it :D Apr 12 14:03:04 he will regret it Apr 12 14:03:23 good Apr 12 14:03:55 will you use a hidden virical jacekowski license term? Apr 12 14:04:00 to sue him into oblivion? Apr 12 14:04:31 nah Apr 12 14:04:40 lol Apr 12 14:04:41 i've got better ways of punishing people Apr 12 14:06:45 jacekowski, what site Apr 12 14:06:55 it's polish site Apr 12 14:08:05 got a question on dbus mce request?? i somehow didn't get the proxy object from dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name.. and the error message showed nothing.. any ideas? Apr 12 14:08:30 jacekowski: you just pwn them to oblivion? Apr 12 14:08:38 jacekowski: i'll set up a scratchbox later, perhaps I could help with this :) Apr 12 14:09:01 nah, i'll just ddos that site Apr 12 14:09:10 week of downtime will do Apr 12 14:09:28 that evil Apr 12 14:09:29 it's primitve Apr 12 14:10:47 for some reason the caps lock is always on when typing in in-page textfields in chromium Apr 12 14:11:14 i know Apr 12 14:11:42 but i have to rebuild it with debugging information to fix it Apr 12 14:11:50 and i can't use autobuilder for it Apr 12 14:27:47 OpenVPN works if you need/want full connectivity over 2G/3G. I'm about to create a bugzilla entry with the fixes to get it working with redirect-gateway and dnsmasq. There's still an issue when the connection goes down or switches to/from wifi needing openvpn to be restarted though.. Apr 12 14:33:26 zeq1: you can easily create a bash script to monitor that Apr 12 14:34:12 what i need fro create widget ( skill , software , etc ) Apr 12 14:34:56 E0x, large amounts of etc Apr 12 14:34:59 where etc = bacon Apr 12 14:35:17 and eggs Apr 12 14:35:35 heh Apr 12 14:36:13 'night all Apr 12 14:36:14 lcuk: i am look for do my baby step in dev in my n900 so i think is a easy one Apr 12 14:36:40 lcuk: I saw an interview about a guy who did everything with bacon Apr 12 14:36:50 wired: that's true, do you know if there's a suitable hook/event to trigger on network (re-)connections? Apr 12 14:37:06 lcuk: bacon coke, bacon icecream, bacon pasta, bacon cheese, bacon fries, bacon mustard, bacon ketchup Apr 12 14:37:15 bacon bacon? Apr 12 14:37:48 then there was fried bacon, wrapped in bacon, wrapped around a sausage, stuffed in a chicken, wrapped in bacon. Apr 12 14:37:48 zeq1: there probably is, but im not aware of it :) Apr 12 14:38:07 zeq1: you could go simple and use ifconfig to monitor which interface is up and its ip Apr 12 14:38:13 baconaisse on your bacon sandwich Apr 12 14:38:23 yeah but baconaise is a classic Apr 12 14:38:24 mmmmm Apr 12 14:38:38 E0x, widgets are a harder class Apr 12 14:38:44 for beginner to grasp Apr 12 14:38:45 anyway, later Apr 12 14:38:53 lcuk: oh Apr 12 14:38:57 polling would't be good for battery life though Apr 12 14:39:47 I think dbus is probably the way to go Apr 12 14:39:48 Polling can actually be very light Apr 12 14:39:53 while true do Apr 12 14:39:57 sleep 60 Apr 12 14:40:01 if ... Apr 12 14:40:08 is surprisingly light on battery Apr 12 14:40:12 lcuk: any recomendation ? Apr 12 14:40:34 yes, try some hello worlds with python Apr 12 14:40:52 see how you feel without spending tonnes of time setting up much Apr 12 14:41:05 E0x: you can do useful widgets with only awk or shell. with command-line-execution widget Apr 12 14:41:23 I suppose that would't be too bad, but it would be better to have it respond instantly to network reconfigurations Apr 12 14:41:29 I've got one widget with the name 'dim' - that when pressed executes echo > ... Apr 12 14:41:31 SpeedEvil: yes i was thinking in something like that , but using ruby Apr 12 14:42:36 I'll do some more digging Apr 12 14:43:02 E0x: I dont't think, there are ruby-bindings (yet) Apr 12 14:43:14 :( Apr 12 14:43:17 as there is no ruby in the default-repositories Apr 12 14:43:34 you've also got to think about library footprint Apr 12 14:43:42 Sure - your ruby app might be a small one. Apr 12 14:43:42 E0x: use python (thats more beautifull anyway) Apr 12 14:44:01 But nothing on the device uses the ruby interpreter, libraries, or ... Apr 12 14:44:11 So it might use an additional 20M - say - of memory. Apr 12 14:44:17 ok Apr 12 14:44:20 and take another 2s to start Apr 12 14:44:46 Compared to something written in python or perl Apr 12 14:44:59 can anyone help me on a dbus mce request question?? Apr 12 14:45:10 spencer: shoot Apr 12 14:45:46 i can't get the proxy when i call dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name, and the GError object returned NULL.. Apr 12 14:52:00 any idea? Apr 12 14:54:06 SpeedEvil, any clue? Apr 12 14:56:43 nope, sorry, never used dbus much Apr 12 14:57:27 pidgin seems to think links are being pressed sometimes when they aren't. Apr 12 15:01:35 mikkov: there? Apr 12 15:11:40 C-S-B: around? Apr 12 15:11:46 yup Apr 12 15:11:48 ;) Apr 12 15:12:15 ukdedicated.com seem to be hiring if you're still looking Apr 12 15:12:24 awesome. Apr 12 15:12:40 do they have a jobs email adress? Apr 12 15:13:19 no idea on any requirements etc as I cant find a public ad for the position, I have their techs on msn though and theyve got "we're hiring - msg me" in their names, but are afk ;) Apr 12 15:15:08 well if you can grab an email address I'd love to submit my cv at least Apr 12 15:15:09 :) Apr 12 15:15:40 you'd probably be best mailing craig@flump.net Apr 12 15:16:02 who's that? Apr 12 15:16:22 flump.net == ukdedicated.com, 2 brands of the same business Apr 12 15:19:24 Thanks nidO Apr 12 15:19:28 Email sent. Apr 12 15:19:58 I need to head out and collect the gf who started her job today. :) Apr 12 15:20:14 lucky her ;) Apr 12 15:47:20 hey all Apr 12 15:47:33 X-Fade, ping Apr 12 15:48:28 anyone know of an app that will announce when mobile reception is/isn't available? Apr 12 16:01:15 hi all Apr 12 16:01:33 anyone aware of a way to use something like localepurge with maemo ? Apr 12 16:01:59 Hi again Apr 12 16:02:06 I mean, it uses docpurge by default, so why not localepurge ? Apr 12 16:02:21 someone have an idea why this code doesn t hilight syntax on maemo ? Apr 12 16:02:23 http://pastebin.com/XAtemMBe Apr 12 16:03:02 ~ping Apr 12 16:03:04 ~pong Apr 12 16:03:34 it s works elsewhere Apr 12 16:05:27 hello, maemo people Apr 12 16:06:21 can anyone explain where my package dissapeared from extras-devel? http://maemo.org/packages/view/sflphone-client-gnome/ Apr 12 16:07:04 ah, 'old version cleaned' Apr 12 16:07:13 wonderful, just wonderful Apr 12 16:07:35 * slonopotamus sets up a daily script to upload new version. Apr 12 16:08:23 you are lucky mine don t want to disappear Apr 12 16:08:29 bug 9894 Apr 12 16:08:30 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9894 Ask for remove of all pypackager of fremantle extras, extras-testing, extras-devel Apr 12 16:08:34 err, no Apr 12 16:08:43 cleaner didn't remove last ones Apr 12 16:10:10 khertan: heh Apr 12 16:11:23 sooo? Apr 12 16:11:35 (note, sflphone-common is still in repo) Apr 12 16:14:44 http://jvprocon.com/~joakim/lelwut.png Apr 12 16:15:19 can someone tell me why this happens? Apr 12 16:15:55 does the xlv work for you with smartreflex enabled? Apr 12 16:16:05 Jaffa: ping Apr 12 16:16:38 corecode: I didn't explicitly enable smartreflex, was that needed? Apr 12 16:16:54 i think otherwise the voltage regulation does not happen at all Apr 12 16:17:07 i could be wrong, that's just my brief interpretation of the source Apr 12 16:17:10 so uh, it ran at what voltage then? Apr 12 16:17:20 at the stock voltage Apr 12 16:17:25 like the stock kernel Apr 12 16:17:28 then it should not have used more power? Apr 12 16:17:34 because that's just retarded Apr 12 16:17:35 no Apr 12 16:17:50 is that batteryeye? Apr 12 16:17:55 the most embarrasing thing is that i got no notification on removal Apr 12 16:18:00 batterygraph Apr 12 16:18:29 ah new version Apr 12 16:18:29 nice Apr 12 16:22:32 korhojoa: did you have it running at a higher frequency? Apr 12 16:22:44 or maybe have more processes running? Apr 12 16:23:17 hi @all Apr 12 16:24:01 i am not sure whether i found a bug or i am only stupi ^^ Apr 12 16:24:11 maybe someone can help me Apr 12 16:24:28 my problem relates to Petrovich Apr 12 16:24:35 the bluetooth app Apr 12 16:25:20 i would sent a friend a file from my n900 to his mobile phone Apr 12 16:25:52 (if we were in ##c, you would be already banned for excessive flood) :) Apr 12 16:25:52 lame Apr 12 16:26:08 I dont' see chromium in the software repo for testing Apr 12 16:26:09 :( Apr 12 16:26:14 at first there was the paring procedure of the 2 devices Apr 12 16:26:16 its in -devel Apr 12 16:27:02 and here was the problem, we used numbers as key and i could not type numbers with the hardware keyboard Apr 12 16:27:14 press 0 without the fn Apr 12 16:27:19 only via the onscreen keyboard Apr 12 16:27:42 corecode: no, default speeds, just lower voltage. nothing more running either Apr 12 16:28:05 yes i tried it with fn + number and the number key without fn Apr 12 16:28:09 corecode: i actually played commander keen (dosbox) and listened to music with the stock kernel when that was taken Apr 12 16:28:23 i always get the caracter Apr 12 16:28:24 * slonopotamus wonders why he has _two_ browserd processes on n900. doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of running as daemon? Apr 12 16:28:27 You guys realize that in idle, the CPU will be running at 0MHz, and the voltage will be 0V? :-) Apr 12 16:28:56 Your ULV kernels will only make a difference for when the CPU is actually used Apr 12 16:29:00 slonopotamus: miracles of modern technologies. one is used for normal browsing the other used for the conversations app. Apr 12 16:29:24 does somebody have the same problem? Apr 12 16:29:42 javispedro: why they can't be a single one? (and did you see my sflphone-client-gnome that dissapeared from extras-devel?) Apr 12 16:29:42 ShadowJK: it does? Apr 12 16:29:47 TheOne, did you hold in the blue arrow (fn) while pressing the key with the blue 0? Apr 12 16:29:48 nid0, i don't see it at all in my repositories Apr 12 16:29:56 corecode, what does what? Apr 12 16:29:57 and I have testing and devel enabled Apr 12 16:30:08 ShadowJK: so, what is using energy then? the maintained wifi/3g connections? Apr 12 16:30:10 slonopotamus: dunno really, just wondering that thing too. Apr 12 16:30:10 hmm, let me manually look under all Apr 12 16:30:27 kamui, refresh then, it's under network, I'm downloading it right now Apr 12 16:30:27 corecode, ram, radios, peripherals Apr 12 16:30:31 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/chromium/5.0.369.2-maemo2/ Apr 12 16:30:34 its there ^ Apr 12 16:30:39 mm ram Apr 12 16:30:45 should switch off banks Apr 12 16:30:53 javispedro: no googleable traces, all deps seem to be in place... straange Apr 12 16:31:09 slonopotamus: was it submitted recently? Apr 12 16:31:21 there was a bug fixed this morning for all I know Apr 12 16:31:23 javispedro: no, 2 months ago Apr 12 16:31:30 pft, dunno. Apr 12 16:31:45 If I use the speedometer from Ovi Store, does it then connect to the internet etc? I've had some problems with using GPS without internet, but could just be a coincidence Apr 12 16:31:47 Standby is really really low power... the goal is to get back to standby as soon as possible... and for that, running at 600MHz to minimize active time and maximize standby time can be a win :-) Apr 12 16:31:56 ShadowJK: for example i want type 1 - i first use fn + Q and get the letter q, after that i remove the q and tried only the Key Q and get a q too Apr 12 16:31:57 javispedro: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sflphone-client-gnome/ has changelog Apr 12 16:32:25 marcus__, presumable since it's a speedometer it uses the Location service, which connects to the internet if you have Network Positioning enabled in the Location settings, and doesn't if you don't Apr 12 16:32:52 javispedro: so everything is there (even package page), except for debs Apr 12 16:32:52 ShadowJK: So what's up with the GPS? Why would it need internet? :S Apr 12 16:33:07 agps Apr 12 16:33:25 marcus__, it doesn't need it, it's just faster with it Apr 12 16:33:32 Aha. Goodie. Apr 12 16:33:36 Thankie. Apr 12 16:33:38 internet is like a gazillion times faster than downloading stuff from the satellite Apr 12 16:33:50 i had serious problems making it work at all without network Apr 12 16:34:04 "downloading stuff from the satellite"? Apr 12 16:34:12 slonopotamus: lol, indeed http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/s/sflphone-client-gnome/sflphone-client-gnome_0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo8_armel.deb Apr 12 16:34:13 the almanac Apr 12 16:34:17 javispedro: i suspect old package cleaner was working too hard Apr 12 16:34:18 (404) Apr 12 16:34:23 Most people either permanently stand in a spot where the signal is too bad for downloading data from the satellites, or wave their device around like a crackmonkey so that the GPS chip never manages to download all the data and ends up having to restart from scratch constantly Apr 12 16:34:24 where is which sattelite Apr 12 16:34:33 almanac, ephemeris Apr 12 16:34:41 slonopotamus: bump the version number and resubmit, if it happens again complain :) Apr 12 16:35:29 ShadowJK: do you know what i mean? Apr 12 16:35:37 ShadowJK: what i don't understand is why the device doesn't try to download from multiple sources and patch together what it didn't get earlier Apr 12 16:35:37 javispedro: maybe just cron resubmit job? :) Apr 12 16:35:43 TheOne, hm... Apr 12 16:35:53 slonopotamus: did it happen more than once? Apr 12 16:36:03 javispedro: nope Apr 12 16:36:04 TheOne, I would have thought that atleast one of those methods would have given a number :( Apr 12 16:36:15 testing Apr 12 16:36:17 me too ^^ Apr 12 16:36:27 korhojoa, it doesn't know the data will be correct if it patches together Apr 12 16:36:31 slonopotamus: then hope the autoclearner learns his lesson :P Apr 12 16:36:32 wait Apr 12 16:36:41 javispedro: autocleaner removed them all Apr 12 16:36:43 I'm not really sure if it knows the actual position of the stuff coming from the sky.. Apr 12 16:36:55 and finding the satellite to download from in the first place it slower without agps :/ Apr 12 16:37:04 javispedro: maemo8 was removed too. i missed it first time Apr 12 16:37:15 i think it can listen to any satellite Apr 12 16:37:21 but it just takes very very long Apr 12 16:37:35 ShadowJK: i mean, can't it look at the end of where the transmission ended and then look at where to continue next time? Apr 12 16:37:47 wtf?? Apr 12 16:38:05 hum? Apr 12 16:38:10 it just has to listen to the satellite Apr 12 16:38:11 It's one-way communication, you can't ask the sat to send the missing bytes :) Apr 12 16:38:18 until the stuff comes what it wants Apr 12 16:38:19 javispedro: according to package page, maemo8 version was autocleaned the same minute it was imported Apr 12 16:38:37 almanac data comes from all satellites simultaneously on a repeat, that data only needs to be downloaded infrequently anyway Apr 12 16:39:20 slonopotamus: clearly, he hates you Apr 12 16:39:24 javispedro: and then, a week later, all previous versions were cleaned Apr 12 16:39:26 * javispedro doesn't know the actual logic behind it Apr 12 16:40:34 So with perfect signal it takes 30 seconds to get the entire message from the sat, if you miss a piece you have to wait another 30sec while hte transmission loops :D Apr 12 16:40:49 and you need, what, 4 satellites to determine your position? :) Apr 12 16:41:08 * javispedro remember something like that in his old garmin receiver manual Apr 12 16:41:16 3 for a rough fix Apr 12 16:41:24 moo all Apr 12 16:41:28 "Each frame contains 1/25th of the almanac, so 12.5 minutes are required to receive the entire almanac from a single satellite." Apr 12 16:41:29 including the "WHY IS THIS THING SO SLOW PART" Apr 12 16:41:30 ouch :) Apr 12 16:41:43 ls Apr 12 16:41:48 pwd Apr 12 16:41:55 /porn Apr 12 16:42:05 ~porn Apr 12 16:42:06 Porn remains one of the largest problems with Open Source Software. Often causing development delays, flooded links and, in extreme cases, disabling programmers ability to type. Apr 12 16:42:17 muahaha :D Apr 12 16:42:36 moo RST38h, about bug 9752, have a minute? Apr 12 16:42:37 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752 Autobuilder links against uninstallable libraries Apr 12 16:42:43 javis: yes? Apr 12 16:43:02 RST38h: do you manage extras-devel repo? Apr 12 16:43:11 slono: no. Apr 12 16:43:25 slonopotamus: X-Fade does it Apr 12 16:43:31 ah, right Apr 12 16:43:35 javispedro: thx Apr 12 16:44:23 * slonopotamus summons X-Fade Apr 12 16:44:53 * slonopotamus fails Apr 12 16:46:44 TomaszD, found it! Apr 12 16:46:54 lame sauce, but I got it under all, didn't show for me under network at first Apr 12 16:47:02 not until I did my updates Apr 12 16:47:22 btw. who decided to trigger autobuilder on .dsc upload and not on .changes? dput uploads dsc (fast), then tarball (slow), then .changes (fast). so with current triggering it has high chances to get half-uploaded tarball. Apr 12 16:48:27 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Participatory_economics Apr 12 16:48:31 err Apr 12 16:48:33 wrong channel Apr 12 16:49:22 ShadowJK: i will write report it as a bug to the Petrovich author Apr 12 16:51:48 slonopotamus: emm Apr 12 16:52:00 slonopotamus: it takes like 10s to upload tarball Apr 12 16:54:15 jacekowski: ... that depends on tarball size and network bandwidth. Apr 12 16:56:52 hmmm is autobuilder back alive or still having that time of the month? :| Apr 12 16:58:54 noobmonk3y: it was alive this morning Apr 12 16:59:00 yay Apr 12 16:59:12 noobmonk3y: but i think it's still building against pr1.2 Apr 12 16:59:24 ahhh thats ok, not had that issue yet with mine Apr 12 16:59:29 using python :D Apr 12 16:59:39 seems to get past that bit ok Apr 12 16:59:59 if username = "n00bmonk3y": Apr 12 17:00:16 javispedro: there's a total mess with autocleaner... Apr 12 17:00:57 lol lcuk, noobmonk3y == Special ;) Apr 12 17:01:56 lcuk was just panicking, he wouldn't know what to do with himself if he didnt get a daily healthcheck update ;) Apr 12 17:02:32 you know what i like about summer? Apr 12 17:02:38 the sun? Apr 12 17:02:40 it's 20:02 already, and the sun hasn't set Apr 12 17:02:41 <3 Apr 12 17:03:36 noobmonk3y, lol Apr 12 17:05:28 :D mid-:D Apr 12 17:05:39 bye Apr 12 17:05:52 hi Apr 12 17:06:41 noobmonk3y: you will know something regarding that bugtracker link requirement Apr 12 17:08:16 anyone got a link to the image shown at the summit? Apr 12 17:08:33 (about not keeping the N900 locked @ 550/600) Apr 12 17:10:29 bug 9902 Apr 12 17:10:30 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel Apr 12 17:10:39 javispedro: /\ Apr 12 17:10:55 * marcusm_m wonders if you can receive the text of a textmessage using DBus and then use espeak to speak it out loud ^_^ Apr 12 17:11:17 slonopotamus: well done Apr 12 17:11:47 lolololol slonopotamus Apr 12 17:11:53 javispedro: i'm lucky that it didn't purge html page too :) Apr 12 17:11:55 its just being efficient Apr 12 17:11:59 lcuk: that's not funny :) Apr 12 17:12:04 * noobmonk3y giggles Apr 12 17:12:06 tis a little Apr 12 17:12:13 well, actually it is funny :) Apr 12 17:12:24 i just love the way you did everything correctly and logged a bug ;) Apr 12 17:12:33 but my user isn't happy :) Apr 12 17:12:42 not suprised :( Apr 12 17:13:31 i wonder how autocleaner determines that particular version isn't the latest one. Apr 12 17:13:42 i think it does that wrong :) Apr 12 17:14:05 i'm betting it ignores maemo* section in equation - its meant to hold last 5 builds from what i hear Apr 12 17:14:08 http://maemo.org/packages/view/sflphone-client-gnome/ Apr 12 17:14:31 lcuk: well. 5 builds != no builds at all :) Apr 12 17:14:53 ofc - something made it go OTT cleaning Apr 12 17:15:01 OTT - ? Apr 12 17:15:05 ofc - ? Apr 12 17:15:14 Anyone know if someone is working on a port for Bub Brothers? :P Apr 12 17:16:28 slonopotamus, ofcourse Apr 12 17:16:33 lcuk, it finally realised after parsing 1000+ healtcheck builds that it needed a diet and cleaned itself up? Apr 12 17:18:03 lcuk: i have wild guess. i uploaded ...-karmic-... (instead of jaunty) before, but it did't build and didn't stop maemo1-maemo5 from going into repo Apr 12 17:18:52 lcuk: weird things started from maemo6 Apr 12 17:19:27 brb Apr 12 17:21:11 does anybody know what software is used on autobuilder? Apr 12 17:21:34 and could share configs Apr 12 17:23:56 sob 1.2 still not out :( Apr 12 17:34:53 lcuk: indeed it might be ~ char throwing it off Apr 12 17:34:59 but dunno Apr 12 17:35:38 ~ is used in dpkg to incicate less than or something Apr 12 17:35:46 yeah, it's valid Apr 12 17:36:18 * lcuk never suggested it wasnt Apr 12 17:36:37 * javispedro might had in his previous assert Apr 12 17:37:04 oh for the love of god /var/tmp/ccZVnO3f.s:109050: Fatal error: can't close CMakeFiles/flake.dir/tools/KoCreatePathTool.o: No space left on device Apr 12 17:37:20 that's good! Apr 12 17:37:21 i filled my laptop's HDD :/ Apr 12 17:37:55 * MohammadAG needs to find a way to backup scratchbox Apr 12 17:38:18 it's the PR1.1.1 SDK, and I can't lose that! Apr 12 17:38:53 MohammadAG: hehe :) Apr 12 17:39:17 oh, in the future you should Apr 12 17:39:50 we're trying to bring in a more recent shlibdeps :P Apr 12 17:42:15 javispedro, i'll lose it when I get PR1.2 :p Apr 12 17:42:35 by then who knows if the pr1.3 sdk will be out :D Apr 12 17:43:41 javispedro, well I hope you guys don't update the autobuilder next time! :P Apr 12 17:44:21 ~ping Apr 12 17:44:22 ~pong Apr 12 17:44:39 there's people who wanted it -- qt guys mostly. Apr 12 17:45:12 * MohammadAG wonders why Apr 12 17:45:23 they can't install their own apps then Apr 12 17:45:34 and there will be people that will want the 1.3 whenever it comes because it will have whizzy-whisky-optimized-trithium codecs Apr 12 17:45:58 javispedro, make a separate autobuilder for them ;) Apr 12 17:47:18 and then ditch qa? Apr 12 17:47:42 lcuk, did you try the live wallpaper package? Apr 12 17:47:50 you would have a fremantle-1.0 QA queue, a fremantle-1.2 queue, and a fremantle-1.3 queue. Apr 12 17:47:54 javispedro, QA doesn't really apply in -devel :) Apr 12 17:48:06 ditch the 1.0 one :) Apr 12 17:48:31 (cue complains from people who won't upgrade to 1.2 the day it's out, which includes me) Apr 12 17:49:05 MohammadAG, yes Apr 12 17:49:09 not yours tho Apr 12 17:49:24 ? Apr 12 17:49:37 it's not mine, i just repackaged it for PR1.1.1 Apr 12 17:49:57 exactly, i did not use your repackaged version Apr 12 17:49:58 kept control file the same too :) Apr 12 17:50:33 * MohammadAG threatens lcuk and tells him to give him the PR1.2 image Apr 12 17:50:44 that took you a while :) Apr 12 17:51:34 lag :P Apr 12 17:52:39 lcuk, how long have you had the image? Apr 12 17:52:48 * lcuk shrugs Apr 12 17:53:15 * MohammadAG persists Apr 12 17:53:43 lcuk, don't, i'm not aiming to guess a release date :) Apr 12 17:55:51 wow, ive been a member of gitorious now since january Apr 12 17:58:02 * MohammadAG apologizes to lcuk :) Apr 12 18:07:59 j #maemo-devel Apr 12 18:08:03 oops Apr 12 18:13:10 t.m.o. needs to be split in a social and a technical forum... there is too much repetitive noise... Apr 12 18:13:21 (whichever way you see it Apr 12 18:13:35 ...then everybody in the social part has to be banned, permanently Apr 12 18:13:41 :) Apr 12 18:13:43 there's categories for that I'd say. Apr 12 18:13:54 andre__ yes, but there is just one "active topics" tab Apr 12 18:14:04 we should have a check for repetition and see how many creative ways to ask for 1.2 they can come up with Apr 12 18:14:13 none Apr 12 18:14:29 (you said creative :-) Apr 12 18:17:40 at some point i heard (here i believe) for an easy way to use the accelerometer for games... any idea ? Apr 12 18:18:03 well - 0th cut is just to read from /sys/wherever/coord Apr 12 18:18:31 someone had mentioned a way to use it as input using a library.. not reading and translating coord Apr 12 18:23:17 k Apr 12 18:24:50 slonopotamus: pong Apr 12 18:30:28 the builder has wrong time... Apr 12 18:30:49 * noobmonk3y is about to test the autobuilder :| Apr 12 18:30:49 i promoted a package about 5 minutes ago and its timestamp is still 2 minutes in the future Apr 12 18:31:00 (18.32 UTC) Apr 12 18:31:23 noobmonk3y: hit it... it can take it... Apr 12 18:32:24 * noobmonk3y jusy "hit it" ........ eeeeeeeeeek Apr 12 18:33:03 just* Apr 12 18:33:55 wow build succeeded in 2 mins Apr 12 18:33:58 seems quicker ;) Apr 12 18:35:18 slonopotamus: Will look at your issue tomorrow. The cleaner seems to either not like you or is a bit too agressive. Apr 12 18:35:36 * V13 rephrases a song from iron maiden Apr 12 18:35:41 * noobmonk3y thinks the first option, but is not sure Apr 12 18:36:01 "abuse it, misuse it, it can take all that you've got" Apr 12 18:36:35 i dunno, even the strongest people cry when they see healthcheck.... pretty sure autobuilder has a tantrum when i get near it ;) Apr 12 18:37:05 lcuk: there, your dark side clone ("luck") is on #meego ! ;) Apr 12 18:37:24 noobmonk3y: Nah, autobuilder has seen some really dark things today. Apr 12 18:37:25 any idea on whom I may annoy when a project has 10 votes but cannot be promoted ? Apr 12 18:37:36 (most probably because of "special" votes) Apr 12 18:37:37 chronos, god of time? Apr 12 18:37:43 X-Fade, did you feed it after midnight again :| Apr 12 18:37:50 noobmonk3y: Evil experiments :) Apr 12 18:37:51 omg Apr 12 18:37:53 lol Apr 12 18:38:04 my N900 went from 60% to 0% Apr 12 18:38:07 * noobmonk3y feeds MohammadAG to the autobuilder Apr 12 18:38:10 in 1 minute Apr 12 18:38:16 lol MohammadAG !!! Apr 12 18:38:24 that'll teach you to not overclock ;) Apr 12 18:38:24 no seriously! Apr 12 18:38:40 i'm at 600MHz :) Apr 12 18:38:45 MohammadAG: Redraw after unlock? Apr 12 18:38:45 as i said ;) Apr 12 18:39:06 X-Fade, huh? :) Apr 12 18:39:32 wtfffff Apr 12 18:39:37 MohammadAG: When you unlock the screen, then it only redraws the screen. So for a short moment you see the old screen before lock? Apr 12 18:39:39 autobuilder just cleaned a reasonably new version Apr 12 18:39:43 the one in testing....... Apr 12 18:39:44 hmmmmmmmm Apr 12 18:40:07 i'm hoping it just cleaned it outta devel Apr 12 18:40:26 yo Apr 12 18:40:29 X-Fade, nope Apr 12 18:40:31 yoyo Apr 12 18:40:33 noobmonk3y: Should keep one version? Apr 12 18:40:51 xm.. -0 ? Apr 12 18:40:58 so who's using chromium Apr 12 18:41:04 I find it quite nice for an early build Apr 12 18:41:07 X-Fade, http://i39.tinypic.com/15qxe6w.jpg Apr 12 18:41:12 noobmonk3y: you forced -0 as version ? Apr 12 18:41:12 but all my letter IN the browser are stuck in caps Apr 12 18:41:13 well 1.0 is in testing, and 1.1 is in devel, it said it just cleaned 1.0 Apr 12 18:41:13 :( Apr 12 18:41:24 are you making a debian native package ? Apr 12 18:41:29 1.0.0-0 and 1.1.0-0 Apr 12 18:41:30 that's small.... Apr 12 18:41:32 python Apr 12 18:41:52 just checking the HAM sandwhich Apr 12 18:41:58 noobmonk3y: Yes, it remove 1.0 from devel. But 1.1 is on it's way in. Apr 12 18:42:06 yay Apr 12 18:42:13 * noobmonk3y pats autobuilder on the back Apr 12 18:42:27 x-fade: until yesterday it was only cleaning older debian versions (e.g -1 when -2 was uploaded) no ? Apr 12 18:42:43 noobmonk3y, X-Fade http://i40.tinypic.com/2l42dg.jpg Apr 12 18:42:52 V13: it still does that. Apr 12 18:42:57 wow!!! Apr 12 18:42:59 V13: Just keeps one version. Apr 12 18:43:05 MohammadAG, did it fart as it discharged? Apr 12 18:43:07 wish the stock market was like that Apr 12 18:43:13 LOL Apr 12 18:43:19 then it should not clean 1.0 when 1.1 was uploaded... right ? Apr 12 18:43:29 MohammadAG, when it gets some juice - new h/c uploaded to devel ;) Apr 12 18:43:44 V13: Sure it should. Only one. Apr 12 18:43:45 V13, assuming it cleaned it from devel, not testing Apr 12 18:43:56 so i now have 1 version in devel, and 1 in testing Apr 12 18:44:39 ok.. :) Apr 12 18:45:27 MohammadAG, have to admit that pic looks like mine when i use joikuspot ;) Apr 12 18:47:06 ahhhhhhh fucksocks Apr 12 18:47:11 mistake in that devel version Apr 12 18:48:09 MohammadAG, doesnt joiku have to maintain an adhoc host Apr 12 18:48:23 lcuk, yep Apr 12 18:48:47 yup Apr 12 18:48:50 noobmonk3y, it's a damn straight line lol Apr 12 18:48:58 ;) Apr 12 18:49:23 adhoc and powersaving are incompatible Apr 12 18:49:32 can anybody try if sudo rf -rf / would break their phone? Apr 12 18:49:47 rf: command not found Apr 12 18:49:49 why not try this to the scratchbox? :-))) Apr 12 18:50:11 jacekowski, you ;) Apr 12 18:50:15 jacekowski, you seem to have made a typo in your script Apr 12 18:50:19 i can't get the proxy when i call dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name, and the GError object returned NULL.. can anyone help? Apr 12 18:50:25 rm -rf / Apr 12 18:50:25 please can you fix it, run a corrective cycle on your machine to confirm Apr 12 18:50:30 then let us know the fixed version Apr 12 18:50:46 javispedro, i'm not using powersaver :) Apr 12 18:50:54 errordeveloper, adhoc* Apr 12 18:50:54 i tried it... it works ok.. Apr 12 18:50:58 wtf Apr 12 18:51:01 err* Apr 12 18:51:14 * MohammadAG fails sometimes Apr 12 18:51:30 MohammadAG: I was referring to jacekowski. Apr 12 18:51:31 more often than not :p Apr 12 18:51:32 t:) Apr 12 18:52:18 C:\> rm -rf / Apr 12 18:52:22 command not found Apr 12 18:52:32 but I typed it in that ms-dos thing!! Apr 12 18:52:47 javispedro, LOL Apr 12 18:53:03 um Apr 12 18:53:04 lcuk, thanks for the input :P Apr 12 18:53:08 anyone here familiar w/ vero.fi? Apr 12 18:53:18 javispedro, linux, on the N900 Apr 12 18:53:21 not me Apr 12 18:54:03 rm -rf / Apr 12 18:54:14 what was it meant to do> Apr 12 18:54:18 i dont tihnk its broke it Apr 12 18:54:27 MohammadAG: I clicked on the ms-dos thing in my n900 and typed that but the same happened!! Apr 12 18:54:53 MohammadAG: I had to install rover.sys just to get - working!! Apr 12 18:55:06 * noobmonk3y just tried it on my ubuntu vm... Apr 12 18:55:09 javispedro: first install cygwin Apr 12 18:55:11 * MohammadAG detects sarcasm Apr 12 18:55:23 noobmonk3y, you're kidding... I hope Apr 12 18:55:27 * noobmonk3y really did just try it... it's a vm, whats the worst thats gonna happen? Apr 12 18:55:30 X-Fade, or both :) Apr 12 18:55:39 norton says this script is potentially damaging and that it will nto be ran Apr 12 18:55:40 * noobmonk3y will re-install it tomorrow anyway ;) Apr 12 18:55:48 i remember ubuntu having a "protection" for it.. they had a patch that prevented that. Apr 12 18:56:01 it certainly is doing something Apr 12 18:56:02 timeless_mbp: yes Apr 12 18:56:04 which of course was heavily criticized Apr 12 18:56:06 Fixed the issue, will recover your app tomorrow. I'm way too tired after some intense hacking today :) Apr 12 18:56:10 rofl Apr 12 18:56:14 awwwww X-Fade Apr 12 18:56:22 * lcuk slides a beer over @ X-Fade Apr 12 18:56:28 timeless_mbp, you should like it :) bug 9902 Apr 12 18:56:29 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel Apr 12 18:57:09 slonopotamus: youch Apr 12 18:57:35 lmfao Apr 12 18:57:45 X-Fade, build works quicker than normal, butttttttt Apr 12 18:57:52 noooooooooooooooooooooooo Apr 12 18:57:54 the icon has vanished from HAM completely lol Apr 12 18:58:11 red: i just got something in the mail from vero Apr 12 18:58:17 noobmonk3y: Pretty sure that is not the builder's fault. Apr 12 18:58:17 i'm trying to find an equivalency Apr 12 18:58:25 * noobmonk3y will blame it while he can ;) Apr 12 18:58:37 havn't changed anything though, may just need time to recover from it's seizure Apr 12 18:58:42 okay? Apr 12 18:59:09 i just got my tax papers from them less than week ago Apr 12 18:59:13 timeless_mbp, is it a sign that machines declared a war on people? :) Apr 12 18:59:22 MohammadAG, Healthcheck is now working and in extras-devel l- minus the icon ;) Apr 12 18:59:32 do i want http://vero.fi/?path=488,489&article=5460&domain=VERO_ENGLISH ? Apr 12 18:59:46 lol!!! Apr 12 18:59:57 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 maybe? Apr 12 18:59:58 Bug 9902: Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel Apr 12 19:00:06 Anyway, away from the screen. BBT. Apr 12 19:00:13 ciaooooooooo Apr 12 19:00:22 cya Apr 12 19:00:43 timeless_mbp: if you ahve nothing to add or correct then no, but if say you have a long way to work and cannot use public transportation due a good reason - you can ease your taxes Apr 12 19:01:41 like 0,24€ * kilometers (home-work work-home) * days (usually 22) * months Apr 12 19:03:20 what pdf viewer is available to N900? Apr 12 19:04:30 moo, konttori Apr 12 19:04:47 smhar: Isn't there a built-in? Apr 12 19:05:46 I do not know. I am planning on buying an N900. I have N97 which have a shareware adobe acrobat reader that is expired already Apr 12 19:05:57 built in Apr 12 19:06:17 Aha. I'm pretty sure there's one built-in. (: Apr 12 19:06:57 smhar: the builtin one is very fast and does a fair job. only thing lacking is kinetic scrolling Apr 12 19:07:17 good to know.. thanks Apr 12 19:07:28 RST38h: moo to you too! Apr 12 19:07:42 Shapeshifter: And arbitrary zoom. Apr 12 19:08:03 I much rather see it behave better with really really really huge PDFs Apr 12 19:09:42 hrm.. any essential apps anyone can name off the top of their head Apr 12 19:09:54 i recently got Sygic Mobile Maps, and Joikuspot Apr 12 19:10:26 slingr: for me. Camkeyd - switch back to the desktop with cam button, flashlight, fbreader (ebooks) Apr 12 19:10:29 slingr: picodrive, drnoksnes Apr 12 19:10:45 slingr: xchat Apr 12 19:10:55 yay :D Apr 12 19:11:03 this should keep me busy for 5 minutes Apr 12 19:11:03 slingr: 2g / 3g switcher status bar applet. Apr 12 19:11:04 slingr: 'speedy' - net-speed measurerer Apr 12 19:11:06 DrNokSnes<3 Apr 12 19:11:07 fbreader... Apr 12 19:11:10 camkeyd is a must have Apr 12 19:11:19 yeah i got that one konttori Apr 12 19:11:21 red: i need to file my US taxes Apr 12 19:11:29 and that double press to lock the screen app Apr 12 19:11:33 slingr: 900 MHz kernel ;) Apr 12 19:11:34 i'm trying to figure out if the numbers i need are 1.1 and 2.1 Apr 12 19:11:38 i think they are Apr 12 19:11:59 1.1 seems to be income (before taxes?) and 2.1 seems to be taxes (assuming no changes are required) Apr 12 19:12:03 konttori.. overclocking the cpu? Apr 12 19:12:34 slingr: it has issues - it is documented to shorten the life by the cpu maker Apr 12 19:13:16 oi Apr 12 19:13:24 well i'm fairly happy with the speed as is Apr 12 19:13:53 slingr, healthcheck ;) hehe Apr 12 19:14:37 slingr: yeah. well, it makes device fly. especially good for browser and flash Apr 12 19:14:45 and emulators. Apr 12 19:14:46 is it possible to 1) copy paste from conversations, 2) get to a previous message in conversations? Apr 12 19:14:51 desktop command execution widget, gnu utils Apr 12 19:15:07 timeless_mbp: doh, cant help with that - but surely you got ppl at your workplace who have experience of that? Apr 12 19:15:10 trumee: You get an IM-like overview. Apr 12 19:15:19 red: today's the 12th Apr 12 19:15:25 i have to file my taxes by the 15th :) Apr 12 19:15:36 trumee: So if you want to view a previous sms, just scroll a tad up. Apr 12 19:15:38 marcusm: i want press the UP key and get one of my previous messages. Apr 12 19:15:40 i see Apr 12 19:15:49 marcusm: no, i want it in the input box Apr 12 19:16:25 trumee: Aha, well. I have not seen such feature, but after using XChat/terminal a lot on my desktop, I'd love such feature. Apr 12 19:16:34 konttori: Won't it shorten device's lifespan though? Apr 12 19:16:49 marcusm: xchat does that on device too. :) Apr 12 19:16:55 marcusm: hmm. most IM programs have that. comes in very handy. Apr 12 19:17:17 SpeedEvil: Indeed, but not in text messages etc (: Would love that. Apr 12 19:17:23 trumee: Indeed. Apr 12 19:17:29 RST38h: I can't comment, as I'm on daddy month and cannot ask from experts, I'm only saying this as a normal geek / hacker. Apr 12 19:17:45 well. this is the price we have to pay for a closed app :( Apr 12 19:17:48 ah, congratulations btw =) Apr 12 19:18:28 thanks. She turns one tomorrow. Apr 12 19:21:00 ah, copy paste is possible in conversations. It works like in the browser, using the stylus and drag from left of the screen Apr 12 19:23:38 no wonder, given that conversations use web engine Apr 12 19:25:29 RST38h: well, some browser engine derivatives intentionally break/disable such things Apr 12 19:25:31 but yes Apr 12 19:25:37 conversations chose not to break that :) Apr 12 19:25:56 any idea if they gonna implement same kind of zooming to image viewer that is already in microb Apr 12 19:26:19 squidd: that seems unlikely Apr 12 19:26:32 officially microb is not the platform toolkit Apr 12 19:26:46 i see Apr 12 19:26:53 for harmattan the platform is Qt, WebKit, DUI Apr 12 19:26:56 give or take Apr 12 19:27:08 lol Apr 12 19:27:14 "give gtk, take qt" :-P Apr 12 19:27:17 and microb is supposed to die off? Apr 12 19:27:30 webkit 2.0 is not ported to linux yet.. Apr 12 19:27:33 does this ring any bells ? Apr 12 19:28:15 kinda pitty if it dies. best browser in mobile so far imho Apr 12 19:28:30 o/c there can always be better :P Apr 12 19:28:44 RST38h: i haven't seen an official story Apr 12 19:29:04 however microb's advantages over firefox for mobile are supposed to disappear w/ time Apr 12 19:29:05 firefox is long way from microb Apr 12 19:29:08 i mean webkit 3.0 Apr 12 19:29:16 atleast in speed Apr 12 19:29:23 microb 2's big advantage was process separation Apr 12 19:29:36 * RST38h cackles nervously at the mention of firefox for mobile Apr 12 19:29:43 e10s is fairly close to ready for at least oopp Apr 12 19:30:05 i'm not quite sure when it'll be ready for content areas, but... Apr 12 19:30:31 i can't get the proxy when i call dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name, and the GError object returned NULL.. can anyone help? Apr 12 19:31:27 "A new major revision of the WebKit rendering engine has been posted by Apr 12 19:31:28 Apple. "WebKit2 is designed from the ground up to support a split Apr 12 19:31:28 process model, where the web content (JavaScript, HTML, layout, etc) Apr 12 19:31:28 lives in a separate process. This model is similar to what Google Chrome Apr 12 19:31:28 offers, with the major difference being that we have built the process Apr 12 19:31:28 split model directly into the framework, allowing other clients to use Apr 12 19:31:30 it." Unfortunately, it lacks a Linux port at the moment, but one assumes that can be fixed." Apr 12 19:31:40 arg,, sorry for the multi-line! :( Apr 12 19:31:53 * marcusm pats V13 Apr 12 19:32:02 * V13 slaps himself with a large trut Apr 12 19:32:15 * V13 buys an iphone Apr 12 19:32:19 V13: "not my problem" Apr 12 19:32:45 * V13 learned his lesson.. punishment was heavy... Apr 12 19:33:32 V13: huh. no linux support for a webkit browser version? Apr 12 19:33:45 ah apple. Apr 12 19:33:58 * Shapeshifter rolls his eyes Apr 12 19:34:00 not yet... i suppose qt folks will have to port it themselves... maybe... Apr 12 19:35:31 off-topic [announce] [fyi] new game.. silly, fast and no-brainer... good for wasting a couple of minutes: "wok": http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/wok/1.0-3/ Apr 12 19:36:40 hmmmmmmmm how does the "popular" apps part work in maemo downloads? Apr 12 19:36:45 give me netfront and throw out microb Apr 12 19:36:54 have been getting 1/2k downloads a day and not anywhere near being popular ;( Apr 12 19:37:18 v13 so the aim of the game is to put your balls into a wok Apr 12 19:37:29 and throw them Apr 12 19:37:29 can i ask, is it a hot wok? Apr 12 19:37:35 :) Apr 12 19:37:51 its not offtopic tho :) Apr 12 19:37:57 always pleased to see new titles Apr 12 19:38:12 Anyone get the chromium update to working in the application manager? Apr 12 19:38:19 It fails for me Apr 12 19:41:38 Hi all Apr 12 19:44:05 Heya, embedded. Apr 12 19:47:50 Hi marcusm Apr 12 19:48:31 V13: any video / screenshots? Apr 12 19:49:47 of what ? Apr 12 19:49:53 of the game? Apr 12 19:50:29 jacekowski: You're the Chromium chap aren't you? Apr 12 19:52:31 if anyone else has updated healthcheck to the latest devel version can they confirm the icon has re-appeared please? :D Apr 12 19:56:49 lardman: shine a light on him, and see. Apr 12 20:00:18 is it possible to test portrait mode on SDK ? Apr 12 20:01:35 turn your monitor on its side Apr 12 20:01:40 :) Apr 12 20:01:47 n900evil: might dazzle me ;) Apr 12 20:01:52 you're aware of this? http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html - awesome. matan did a pretty good mod there Apr 12 20:01:53 is the app supposed to turn or it needs any dbus magic ? Apr 12 20:02:01 * lardman goes to grab some food + vino, bbiab Apr 12 20:02:03 lcuk: Shouldn't it be the PC? Apr 12 20:02:30 marcusm, good point Apr 12 20:02:46 lcuk: We wouldn't want him to look stupid, you know. Apr 12 20:03:16 I like it that chromium on n900 completely owns googles own phone on googles own test :D Apr 12 20:03:20 makes me all warm inside. Apr 12 20:04:06 mece: Are you perhaps overclocking - leading the the warm feeling? Apr 12 20:04:26 no I'm not Apr 12 20:04:46 it needs drag functionality Apr 12 20:04:58 and is a bit slow on the rendering, but once rendered is bloody fast Apr 12 20:05:16 v3 results: http://twitpic.com/1f5kvu Apr 12 20:05:20 v5 results: http://twitpic.com/1f5fdu Apr 12 20:05:23 actually it's not slow rendering, but rather insists on rendering everything before becoming responsive Apr 12 20:05:29 * lardman goes back to the oven Apr 12 20:05:48 lardman, yeah, it's annoying. Apr 12 20:06:09 the competition: http://static.arstechnica.com/wifi-ipad-review/ipad-benchmarks2.002.png Apr 12 20:06:39 what kind of comparison is that Apr 12 20:06:55 are we comparing shopping trolleys to road trains now? Apr 12 20:06:55 javascript Apr 12 20:08:28 wot? Apr 12 20:08:51 iphone and eeepc on the same chart? Apr 12 20:09:08 eeepc is for reference- Apr 12 20:09:31 just look at nexus iphone ipad and n900 chrome. Apr 12 20:09:35 it will make you smile., Apr 12 20:09:48 my n900 got 133 and 128. Apr 12 20:09:57 not overclocked. Apr 12 20:11:04 GAN900: where's your autoresponder for ".*overclock.*" ? Apr 12 20:11:14 lol Apr 12 20:11:23 All talk and no action? Apr 12 20:11:35 I mean, come on, I'm a /community/ guy. :P Apr 12 20:12:23 yeah, some folks attach that label to me as well ;-D Apr 12 20:14:06 mece: I got 168 just now Apr 12 20:14:19 So now I'm supposed to smile? Apr 12 20:14:53 well the nexus got 63, so yeah. Apr 12 20:15:12 your n900 beat the crap out of googles own phone in googles own test. Apr 12 20:15:16 well in any case, the chromium port for the n900 is quite nice, but it's just a dirty port, nothing more. In badly need for kinetic scrolling! Apr 12 20:15:23 * DocScrutinizer has withdrawal syndrome from 1h of ssh to his N900 a few hours ago. Now it's at Nokia, to fix Apr 12 20:15:26 yep yep Apr 12 20:16:00 what did you break, DocScrutinizer? Apr 12 20:16:22 mece: but still, what does it matter? what matters is only the *feeling* of speed and smoothness Apr 12 20:16:40 probably the friffin main dlat plastic cable to connect the LCD had a trace broken Apr 12 20:16:49 friggin* Apr 12 20:17:16 DocScrutinizer: sad to hear :( Apr 12 20:17:20 Shapeshifter, well it feels really really fast once a page is loaded imo. But it's not comfortable to use, so I use microb. Apr 12 20:17:40 mece: well scrolling isn't smooth Apr 12 20:17:51 it isn't? Apr 12 20:17:53 DocScrutinizer: any idea how it broke? Apr 12 20:18:26 mece: well I got used to the n900 scrolling performance, but it's *not* what I'd call smooth. This is plain personal preference. I just like smooth stuff. Apr 12 20:18:31 like furry little kittens Apr 12 20:18:38 ;) Apr 12 20:18:45 yeah, it's kinda ridiculous when your device works like a charm, but you can't use it because screen is black. I'm not *that* good in working blind without feedback Apr 12 20:19:04 VNCserver! Apr 12 20:19:12 DocScrutinizer: use the force ! Apr 12 20:22:37 I put a cursor on my n900 to aid use of x11vnc. Haven't remembered to actually try it. The cursor is nice though. Apr 12 20:25:59 http://www.nokioteca.net/home/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=177787&view=findpost&p=1488332 :) Apr 12 20:28:56 wtf!!! Apr 12 20:29:02 you took n900 on another dimension :) Apr 12 20:29:57 scary Apr 12 20:31:18 Overclocking that way is complex. Apr 12 20:31:26 (with a large imaginary component) Apr 12 20:31:30 how do i restart the dbus service on my Nokia N810 NIT Apr 12 20:32:10 I believe this is the first mobile phone running at 1.7GHz Apr 12 20:32:31 hmm...clutter might make an excellent base for making 2D and 2.5D games. Apr 12 20:32:31 DocScrutinizer, you did send it back to Nokia? Apr 12 20:33:05 so.. how can one copy 12GBs from one linux device to the other without a hard disk Apr 12 20:33:14 MohammadAG: rsync Apr 12 20:33:16 try sftp Apr 12 20:33:21 or scp Apr 12 20:33:24 MohammadAG: I backed up my 16G laptop / with rsync Apr 12 20:33:27 worked well Apr 12 20:33:37 how do i restart the dbus service on my Nokia N810 NIT Apr 12 20:34:00 V13, that would take time Apr 12 20:34:02 reboot? :D Apr 12 20:34:06 SpeedEvil, rsync? Apr 12 20:34:07 anvith3: I believe there are two dbuses... one system and one user. The system dbus restarts most probably as /etc/init.d/dbus restart Apr 12 20:34:09 * MohammadAG googles it Apr 12 20:34:21 the user dbus is kill & restart but it may cause problems (e.g require rebot) Apr 12 20:34:26 why do you want to restart it ? Apr 12 20:34:38 MohammadAG: you want one file or many ? Apr 12 20:34:53 MohammadAG: nfs Apr 12 20:35:18 you share the folder where the file are and mount it using nfs Apr 12 20:35:28 in the linuxbox-B Apr 12 20:36:04 i no way is nfs faster that a tcp transfer Apr 12 20:36:15 even if it has compression Apr 12 20:36:29 @V13 i have sshed into the device in root login and tryin to run a python script which invokes another python script which inturn is accessing an application. i have created a .service file. it's on the lines of the libosso RPC example. Apr 12 20:36:30 GeneralAntilles: repair shop Apr 12 20:36:52 V13: i not mean copy the whole 12Gb Apr 12 20:37:11 oh.. ok Apr 12 20:37:17 the manual says to restart the app framework to restart the dbus daemon Apr 12 20:37:34 but did not say how to do it on the device Apr 12 20:38:28 V13: /etc/init.d/dbus restart throws error run-parts: unrecognized option `--reverse' Apr 12 20:38:29 BusyBox v1.6.1 (2008-09-18 09:43:17 EEST) multi-call binary Apr 12 20:38:29 Usage: run-parts [-t] [-l] [-a ARG] [-u MASK] DIRECTORY Apr 12 20:38:49 dunno... perhaps there is dbus reload ? Apr 12 20:38:57 hmm Apr 12 20:39:51 cute explorer update fails cause of missing qt libs :) Apr 12 20:40:10 there is a force-reload option Apr 12 20:40:15 but it throws the same error Apr 12 20:41:03 perhaps killall dbus-daemon; sleep 1 ; dbus-daemon --system& ? Apr 12 20:41:14 no! Apr 12 20:41:15 wait! Apr 12 20:41:19 :) Apr 12 20:41:20 this will kill the user's dbus as well Apr 12 20:41:42 ad I see that the system dbus is started as another user Apr 12 20:42:47 lizardo: cheers, will test it when i get home again :) Apr 12 20:42:53 su -c "killall dbus-daemon ; sleep 1 ; /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system" - messagebus Apr 12 20:42:55 could work Apr 12 20:43:56 killing dbus seems to reboot the system Apr 12 20:44:08 oh... Apr 12 20:44:12 yeah Apr 12 20:44:19 i found out the hard way Apr 12 20:44:19 sry :) Apr 12 20:44:23 :P Apr 12 20:44:40 i just tried to run-parts Apr 12 20:44:52 which actually runs all the scripts in a directory Apr 12 20:45:01 on the /etc/init.d directory Apr 12 20:45:23 i forgot that it also has the kill and reboot and shutdown scripts Apr 12 20:45:26 silly me Apr 12 20:45:27 :D Apr 12 20:46:11 V13, a whole 12GBs of files Apr 12 20:46:33 Scratchbox Apr 12 20:49:43 MohammadAG: compress it Apr 12 20:49:50 can save a lot of space Apr 12 20:49:54 and the transport it Apr 12 20:50:02 sftp -C Apr 12 20:52:10 * noobmonk3y mumbles Apr 12 20:52:48 i tried rebooting the device but the .service file is not getting registered . how do i check if the .service file is registered with dbus? Apr 12 20:53:15 everything works in scratch box Apr 12 21:01:37 E0x, out of space :) Apr 12 21:02:14 MohammadAG: oh heh Apr 12 21:05:04 * V13 is tempted to start a thread "speculation about the next tablet (N910) and its release date" Apr 12 21:07:17 anyone know if there is a more up to date version of something like MaemoVMWare somewhere? the one on garage says it is the final release of 1.0 but only has Maemo5 SDK Beta 2 Apr 12 21:07:23 V13, with clearly photoshopped "leaked" images? Apr 12 21:07:35 inz.. no... just some fud :) Apr 12 21:07:41 since I still don't have my replacement n900 but am getting impatient, i want to start my project now on the VM :P Apr 12 21:07:41 V13, I'll come over and kill you :P Apr 12 21:08:10 rm_you there is latest SDK which is not beta. Apr 12 21:08:31 rm_you: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ Apr 12 21:08:33 So is there a VMWare image that includes that? or is MaemoVMWare on garage the best I can do? Apr 12 21:08:51 this one i'm using and it is *not* beta. Apr 12 21:08:55 hrm Apr 12 21:08:59 it says it is, odd Apr 12 21:09:02 it is the final which can then be upgraded... Apr 12 21:09:08 "Maemo SDK Virtual Images, 1.0 final" Apr 12 21:09:40 right Apr 12 21:09:47 but the changelog says it includes Beta 2 Apr 12 21:09:47 Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z - 1693332116 - ut-of-box ready Maemo Final Fremantle 5.0 and Diablo 4.1.2 SDK and Eclipse IDE Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 Desktop (7-zip compressed) Apr 12 21:09:48 <_< Apr 12 21:10:02 alright yeah, the downloads agreement says that, i see now Apr 12 21:10:07 they must just need to update the site Apr 12 21:20:15 ok... this 1.7GHz may be fake Apr 12 21:20:25 a) it has an alarm set Apr 12 21:20:30 b) it has 20h uptime Apr 12 21:20:37 c) the fan seems still Apr 12 21:20:55 d) the pwm connector of the fun seems to be not connected and instead just sit under n900 Apr 12 21:20:56 it is fake Apr 12 21:21:04 it is fake Apr 12 21:21:09 it is fake Apr 12 21:21:11 don't bother Apr 12 21:21:15 he said it's fake Apr 12 21:21:33 * Shapeshifter is startled that there's no #maemo-offtopic Apr 12 21:21:49 where does all the silly talk go to? (t.m.o.? :P) Apr 12 21:22:02 :) Apr 12 21:22:05 V13 check this one out xD http://netbookhelden.de/sonderimg/7700mhz.jpg Apr 12 21:22:15 lol :))) Apr 12 21:22:17 f.m.o ate my post! Apr 12 21:22:33 er.. f.m.c Apr 12 21:22:56 lol Apr 12 21:23:22 * dottedmag .oO(f.m.l.) Apr 12 21:23:51 forum.meego.com you pervert Apr 12 21:24:40 so.. talk was replaced with forum, maemo with meego and org with com... Apr 12 21:24:44 what all these say ? Apr 12 21:24:50 zomg Apr 12 21:25:20 7700MHz eh? Apr 12 21:26:48 MohammadAG, SpeedEvil1, javispedro: looking at your "it is fake" words... you would make a good triplet... for singing... Apr 12 21:27:19 no, you should join and make it a quartet Apr 12 21:27:34 * Shapeshifter just overclocked his n900 to 1.21jiggowatts Apr 12 21:27:36 ok.. we need another one and go play basket... Apr 12 21:27:50 * Shapeshifter also watched all three back to the future parts today Apr 12 21:27:52 ;) Apr 12 21:27:57 lol, nice Apr 12 21:28:20 killed a vampire Apr 12 21:28:23 shoot an alien Apr 12 21:28:30 brought peace... Apr 12 21:28:32 nite all, sweet dreams Apr 12 21:28:44 nii Apr 12 21:28:51 bb Apr 12 21:29:01 cured cancer Apr 12 21:29:05 cured aids Apr 12 21:29:11 quartet would be a fun multiplayer to recreate Apr 12 21:29:13 invented time travel Apr 12 21:44:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=607589#post607589 :) Apr 12 21:46:15 * javispedro notes Xarchiver Apr 12 21:47:35 javispedro, Xarchiver? Apr 12 21:47:45 the one that was available for diablo Apr 12 21:49:05 never seen it Apr 12 21:49:28 well, it was the _only_ one.... :P Apr 12 21:50:01 [not so] hype: Based on this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=544861&postcount=3 don't you assume that pr1.2 will support live wallpapers? Apr 12 21:50:23 V13, it's already working... Apr 12 21:50:56 ok .. the bug clears it: Yes, this live homescreen will 'fix' this bug. Will be available in pr1.2. Apr 12 21:51:18 MohammadAG: with xcompmgr ? Apr 12 21:51:36 not sure Apr 12 21:51:48 V13, install my package and see for your self :) Apr 12 21:52:02 (it will be broken for blurred backgrounds, but it works) Apr 12 21:52:12 i'll wait :) Apr 12 21:58:48 hmm, any idea how to tickle the calendar-widget to reload the calendardb? Apr 12 22:06:21 V13: afaik, it's hildon-desktop specific, custom protocol. not using xcompmgr Apr 12 22:10:38 is there widget/application to show network throughput as graph? Apr 12 22:11:37 for example line chart with upload and download updated every x seconds Apr 12 22:13:17 oO Apr 12 22:13:25 google.pl is in black and white Apr 12 22:16:09 file-roller packaged :) Apr 12 22:48:14 any facebrick users: take a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49866 please :) Apr 12 22:55:52 lol, chevrolette.com forces the iPad to to mobile version Apr 12 22:57:47 * Treibholz hasn't experienced any website, that forced me to the mobile version Apr 12 22:57:55 with the n900 Apr 12 22:58:02 w00t_, just put the damned poll somewhere in the app itself ;) Apr 12 22:58:20 w00t_: couldn't the sorting for the messages be a configurable option? Apr 12 22:58:47 there is no right or wrong ordering, merely what people feel is right Apr 12 22:58:55 make the app configurable and the problem is gone Apr 12 22:59:00 ^^ Apr 12 23:00:02 'make it an option' is always an option, but the value of sensible defaults is something which is often not considered Apr 12 23:00:56 yo bitches Apr 12 23:00:56 a keyboard that defaults to dvorak with an option to go to qwerty will probably have a higher number of frustrated users by default (even if it does have a niche appeal) Apr 12 23:00:59 you are scary Apr 12 23:01:07 w00t_ :) see my post Apr 12 23:01:24 lcuk: we are on the same wavelength as ever Apr 12 23:01:25 ;) Apr 12 23:01:31 * lcuk smiles Apr 12 23:01:53 btw I do have some limited ideas about in-application polling.. we'll see Apr 12 23:01:54 :P Apr 12 23:02:02 (if this works, I plan on doing it more often) Apr 12 23:02:16 polling hte server? Apr 12 23:02:18 dvorak = placebo Apr 12 23:02:24 does the website poll, or use ajax Apr 12 23:08:20 hello all Apr 12 23:08:39 sup Apr 12 23:19:15 lcuk: what's the difference between polling and ajax? Apr 12 23:21:00 night all! Apr 12 23:22:02 What happened to fiasco-flasher? Apr 12 23:24:06 ajax holds a connection doesnt it Apr 12 23:24:58 GAN900, it's there for some users Apr 12 23:25:01 not me though Apr 12 23:25:05 Nor me Apr 12 23:25:08 What the hell Apr 12 23:25:13 flasher's there Apr 12 23:25:17 same Apr 12 23:25:22 "Suitable USB device not found" Apr 12 23:25:38 The whole regional firmware thing is really irritating. Apr 12 23:25:38 use fiasco-image-update Apr 12 23:29:59 lcuk: nope Apr 12 23:30:24 lcuk: ajax simply means that the webpage (or underlying code) talks to the webserver after the initial page load Apr 12 23:30:43 so, it polls? Apr 12 23:30:47 asynchronous javascript and xml Apr 12 23:30:59 doesn't matter whether it polls or not Apr 12 23:31:03 could do either, still be java Apr 12 23:31:05 or it has a connection which waits for stuff to pop out Apr 12 23:31:09 it matters Apr 12 23:31:13 because polling == bad Apr 12 23:31:15 s/java/ajax/ Apr 12 23:31:15 crashanddie meant: could do either, still be ajax Apr 12 23:31:50 lcuk: usually a well-designed ajax app would only request info from the server upon user events Apr 12 23:34:08 but again, it can be polling if required, or continuous. webchat.freenode.net is a continuous connection, mail.google.com uses polling and user-generated events Apr 12 23:35:09 you sure it polls? it sits with a connection most of the time Apr 12 23:35:58 nha, if you shut down google chat there shouldn't be a connection Apr 12 23:37:16 though it's been a while since I looked into it, so they may have changed the rules Apr 12 23:38:45 how often do you poll! Apr 12 23:39:07 regularly. with metamucil Apr 12 23:39:12 every second would cause meltdown every minute would be too slow for people Apr 12 23:39:29 haha Apr 12 23:44:11 * MohammadAG_ knows the package he uploaded is going to fail Apr 12 23:44:48 wow I hit upload and got disconnected here Apr 12 23:46:28 well let that be a lesson to you Apr 12 23:46:37 lol Apr 12 23:46:38 ;) Apr 12 23:49:13 * MohammadAG_ gives it another go Apr 12 23:52:20 grrr Apr 12 23:52:25 ~curse autobuilder Apr 12 23:52:26 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, autobuilder ! Apr 12 23:58:22 Hi friends, I invite you to a new network of mIRC, /s -m irc.joinirc.org [join #CService for HELP] Apr 12 23:58:50 oh god Apr 12 23:58:53 :/ Apr 12 23:59:10 * MohammadAG_ wonders why they don't just gline bots Apr 13 00:00:30 wonderful to see such nice emus lately Apr 13 00:01:10 indeed :) Apr 13 00:01:28 * MohammadAG gives the autobuilder another chance Apr 13 00:03:52 does anyone know what the autobuilder is running on? Apr 13 00:04:02 it seems to be a bit slow. Apr 13 00:06:00 * MohammadAG failed, once again Apr 13 00:07:45 # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: file-roller 2.24.3-1maemo1 FAILED Maemo Extras Builder :( Apr 13 00:09:20 what would be the best approach to disabling noexec on mmc? Apr 13 00:10:07 if i would just remount it manualy Apr 13 00:10:23 is there something watching it and making sure that it's mounted with noexec? Apr 13 00:10:46 not that I know of Apr 13 00:11:01 just edited the file that generates fstab at startup Apr 13 00:11:04 edit* Apr 13 00:14:36 my scratchbox won't update. Is this a 1.2 issue? Apr 13 00:14:47 no... Apr 13 00:15:22 The 1.2 scratchbox was released last month, so it won't have issues Apr 13 00:15:54 YES! Apr 13 00:16:06 file-roller built in the autobuilder Apr 13 00:16:07 lcuk: 3 minutes is enough for most people Apr 13 00:16:09 ...this is a pre 1.2 scratchbox...updates should just work Apr 13 00:16:25 lcuk: for email anyway, you can go up to 5 minutes Apr 13 00:19:33 crashanddie, many ajax systems update in realtime Apr 13 00:20:14 lcuk: sure you can have a low-resource pipe that serves as an event trigger (basically poor-man's push) Apr 13 00:20:29 Though that requires specific software that most webhosts wouldn't allow Apr 13 00:22:00 errordeveloper, any tmo mods here? Apr 13 00:22:23 MohammadAG: just submit a report Apr 13 00:22:45 crashanddie, I just want the title for my thread to be changed Apr 13 00:22:51 submit a report Apr 13 00:22:53 wouldn't a report just waste their time? Apr 13 00:22:57 k Apr 13 00:22:57 no Apr 13 00:23:04 You'd be amazed at the stupid reports we get Apr 13 00:23:40 yoyoyo Apr 13 00:23:43 lol I'm a mod on another site, but we don't get stupid reports Apr 13 00:23:47 (a lot) :P Apr 13 00:23:55 hey DocScrutinizer Apr 13 00:23:56 MohammadAG: do you have as many visitors as TMO? Apr 13 00:24:27 crashanddie, well no, but most of the users on TMO just troll :/ Apr 13 00:24:34 yep Apr 13 00:25:23 well, actually most of them probably don't even recognize they are trolling Apr 13 00:25:33 lol good point Apr 13 00:26:12 "Off Topic lacks a controversial thread" Apr 13 00:26:14 fuck that Apr 13 00:26:51 lol Apr 13 00:27:28 crashanddie, and I'm assuming a user starts spamming you by PM if you give them an infraction? Apr 13 00:27:29 "Nokia shoukd consider this design" <-- controversial; "Getting Around the GPL" <-- controversial; "Whatever Apple touch, it turns gold" <-- controversial; "A little something for Apple haters." <-- controversial... do I need to continue? Apr 13 00:27:31 a big fat BOLD 47pt warning with a link to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html for sure wouldn't hurt Apr 13 00:27:48 crashanddie, no you don't lol Apr 13 00:28:08 does Nokia even read tmo? Apr 13 00:28:16 MohammadAG: yes, and I quit moderation for that reason Apr 13 00:28:16 * MohammadAG really really doubts that Apr 13 00:28:34 MohammadAG: I think the only one who endures it is Quim Apr 13 00:29:20 well I turned off Private messaging for my account once Apr 13 00:29:37 didn't have the time to argue so I replied and turned it off Apr 13 00:30:12 crashanddie, who's Quim? can't seem to find him on tmo Apr 13 00:30:18 qgil Apr 13 00:30:56 he's a mod? Apr 13 00:31:09 it doesn't say that under his nick for some reason... Apr 13 00:31:11 No, he resigned from moderation as well Apr 13 00:31:12 he's nokianized Apr 13 00:31:29 wow Apr 13 00:31:32 because people were saying it was a conspiracy and conflict of interest for him to be a moderator as he is a nokia employee Apr 13 00:31:33 two mods resigned? Apr 13 00:32:00 wankers if you ask me, the guy has the patience of a holy person Apr 13 00:32:25 MohammadAG: feel free to offer your services as a mod Apr 13 00:32:28 MohammadAG: we need more mods Apr 13 00:32:50 crashanddie: wtf, this can't be true. Conflict of Interests when a Nokia employee is moderating a Nokia forum? Apr 13 00:32:51 errordeveloper, you don't make it sound as a good thing :p Apr 13 00:33:28 MohammadAG: though if you don't feel like taking the abuse, I suggest you start a discussion to setup clear rules around moderation tasks Apr 13 00:33:53 * DocScrutinizer checks his ignorelist... Apr 13 00:34:23 MohammadAG: it would be good if moderators knew what foot they can stand on. At the moment it's free for all, we just dump most of the things we do in a specific moderator forum (OMFG, THE MODS HAVE A PRIVATE FORUM, CONSPIRACYYYY) in order to cover our asses Apr 13 00:35:15 crashanddie, why don't you have a moderators channel? Apr 13 00:35:27 because we're in too different timezones, wouldn't help Apr 13 00:35:38 moderating can be hard, especially in a high noise forum like tmo. Apr 13 00:35:39 I barely use the mods section on the site I moderate Apr 13 00:36:15 I'm the only mod in Asia/Pacific, we have a couple of mods in the US, and a couple in Europe (or maybe a handful in Europe) Apr 13 00:36:32 plus the council has the right to see/post in the mod forum so that they can see what's happening Apr 13 00:36:43 so many threads about apple crud that it's a bit hard to the the awesome threads about development. Apr 13 00:36:45 and one from russia Apr 13 00:36:54 looking @ http://talk.maemo.org/showgroups.php Apr 13 00:37:35 MohammadAG: so really, the mod channel would only be for specific people, plus, texrat and qole never come to IRC, etc Apr 13 00:38:15 crashanddie, why does the site have only 2 super moderators? Apr 13 00:38:43 because supermod is a tough position Apr 13 00:38:50 It's better to have someone focus on 2 or 3 forums than be all over the place Apr 13 00:39:01 usually people have an interest in only one or two forums anyway Apr 13 00:39:13 (applications, n800, community, etc) Apr 13 00:39:34 I seem to remember that mods can become supermods after they reach 500 posts Apr 13 00:39:42 but that may have changed Apr 13 00:40:51 that sounds like a great idea anyway, to elect those with many posts for mods :-P Apr 13 00:41:27 grr...broken scratchbox Apr 13 00:41:34 * GeneralAntilles is out for SF. Apr 13 00:41:44 Symbian Freak? :P Apr 13 00:41:46 SF? Apr 13 00:41:52 Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit Apr 13 00:41:59 sourceforge, sience fiction? Apr 13 00:41:59 ah Apr 13 00:42:06 GeneralAntilles: have fun, enjoy! Apr 13 00:42:10 have fun, and bring a raincoat Apr 13 00:42:16 crashanddie, PM'd you the rules I agreed to Apr 13 00:42:28 DocScrutinizer: no, moderators who get to 500 posts become supermods Apr 13 00:42:31 DocScrutinizer: not regular users Apr 13 00:42:32 not sure if you had to do the same when you got the mods position Apr 13 00:42:38 nope Apr 13 00:43:05 though those rules are pretty laughable, and quite standard bullshit you get on low-end think-you-re-though-forums Apr 13 00:43:13 no offense Apr 13 00:43:43 ds3, lot colder than it is here at the moment. :( Apr 13 00:43:43 none taken :) Apr 13 00:43:56 MohammadAG: if you want to become a moderator on TMO, you just post to the moderator thread, or send a PM to Reggie. He looks at your previous posts, and if you're not a troll and seemingly helpful, you get the rights Apr 13 00:44:16 GA: where is here? Apr 13 00:44:19 not sure about it Apr 13 00:44:26 ds3, Florida Apr 13 00:44:29 two mods resigned, it doesn't sound like a good position Apr 13 00:44:37 MohammadAG: the paragraph about "proper English" is really laughable in that list, considering that there's spelling mistakes all over the paragraph :P Apr 13 00:44:39 hehehe Apr 13 00:44:44 GA: yes, indeed... probally even wetter Apr 13 00:44:54 and I don't give a **** about the forum title, I don't moderate so that I can have the power to do it Apr 13 00:45:15 crashanddie, I never read the whole thing anyways :P Apr 13 00:45:21 I just followed what the other mods did Apr 13 00:45:24 my point exactly Apr 13 00:45:32 but it works well Apr 13 00:45:48 we never have arguments Apr 13 00:45:53 What TMO needs is rulebook, not a "Thou shalt not abuseth thy powerz" Apr 13 00:46:01 lol Apr 13 00:46:16 tmo needs a database nuke tbh :) Apr 13 00:46:38 ouch Apr 13 00:46:48 MohammadAG: the disciplinary actions section is excellent though, that's really what we need Apr 13 00:48:14 MohammadAG: tailor that for TMO, and submit it for review in Community Apr 13 00:48:25 MohammadAG: I'm serious, you'd be doing the mods a huge favour Apr 13 00:49:16 crashanddie, will do :) Apr 13 00:50:29 file-roller archive manager now in extras-devel http://maemo.org/packages/view/file-roller/ :) Apr 13 00:50:55 MohammadAG: great! Apr 13 00:56:26 I seriously can't believe how stupid the app manager icon thing can be Apr 13 00:56:40 I'm not manually adding a space 400 times Apr 13 00:56:58 uh? Apr 13 00:57:26 DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package Apr 13 00:57:39 "Add a space in front of every line of the encoded icon " Apr 13 00:57:45 surely there's an easier way to do it... Apr 13 00:58:08 LOL Apr 13 00:58:28 MohammadAG: perl is your friend Apr 13 00:58:34 crap Apr 13 00:58:45 timeless_mbp, what if I don't know perl lol Apr 13 00:58:45 sed Apr 13 01:00:39 anybody here try the lenovo x100e? Apr 13 01:02:15 Done Apr 13 01:02:18 400 lines Apr 13 01:02:28 * MohammadAG likes his coordination :) Apr 13 01:02:40 haha Apr 13 01:06:20 MohammadAG: cat myfile|sed 's/^/ /' >myfile_edited Apr 13 01:08:08 * MohammadAG shoots himself in the foot Apr 13 01:09:09 anyone worked any further on barcode libs for n900? Apr 13 01:09:19 thanks DocScrutinizer, already done it manually though (no really), next time :) Apr 13 01:09:20 Am looking at utilizing them soon Apr 13 01:16:12 how do we write a gtk app to run in portrait by default ? Apr 13 01:20:17 clutter-box2d is cool Apr 13 01:20:57 what's that? Apr 13 01:21:58 do box2d sprites draw with opengl es? Apr 13 01:22:24 it's clutter plus a physics engine. Apr 13 01:43:35 clutter-box2d doesn't work properly in scratchbox though Apr 13 01:51:56 grrr internet Apr 13 01:52:49 it's 8 mins till 5 AM, and I'm fixing a package... Apr 13 01:58:31 fixed some bugs in archive manager Apr 13 01:58:36 if you can call them bugs... Apr 13 01:58:38 night :) Apr 13 02:25:23 hello all Apr 13 02:27:18 hey bullet` Apr 13 02:28:00 how is it going crashanddie ... any interesting news about maemo? Apr 13 02:28:13 bullet`: www.mwkn.net Apr 13 02:28:27 hey u know james ghosling left oracle .. muat have been a sad time for him .. Apr 13 02:40:44 bullet`: not necessarily Apr 13 02:41:14 bullet`: I'm surprised he stayed in the first place to be honest. Anyone believing that Oracle wouldn't fundamentally change Sun was naive... Apr 13 02:41:32 yea Apr 13 02:42:14 bullet`: if only he could write a new language that we could specialise in for the next 15 years ;) Apr 13 02:42:31 still he did so much for the company, all his lifes work, and day u have to leave .. Apr 13 02:42:41 bullet`: leaving is a good thing Apr 13 02:42:48 hmm Apr 13 02:43:00 bullet`: the best people change companies every 4-5 years Apr 13 02:43:10 maximum Apr 13 02:43:24 I would say 3 years is the average for excellent people who add a lot to a company Apr 13 02:45:35 well, i know for myself, what u said is true, but i cannot imagine how does it feel to the person who contributes to the level which he did .. Apr 13 02:45:50 doesnt it become kind of a home to u at that level of contribution .. Apr 13 02:46:02 leaving in 3 years Apr 13 02:46:36 spell out your words lol... you have a full keyboard Apr 13 02:47:29 Yeah, I guess that it becomes your baby after a while, so that's probably why he stayed with Sun for so long, no doubt. But that's more the exception than the rule Apr 13 02:47:49 yea Apr 13 02:47:54 Plus, having new blood can only be beneficial to Java -- Java isn't looking too good lately Apr 13 02:48:15 sorry for the short letters i write for words .. these r the manners that ppl keep on reminding me .. will have to get used to it .. Apr 13 02:48:39 no, I won't Apr 13 02:48:42 write fully or don't Apr 13 02:49:13 i cant Apr 13 02:49:23 i will try thats all i can say Apr 13 02:49:32 thanks, much appreciated Apr 13 02:52:00 is there an official launch date for pr1.2? Apr 13 02:52:09 no Apr 13 02:52:11 nope Apr 13 02:52:16 ~ping Apr 13 02:52:17 ~pong Apr 13 02:52:42 whats the used of this ping crashanddie ? Apr 13 02:52:47 use* Apr 13 02:53:00 to see how long it takes for my messages to reach the server and back Apr 13 02:53:01 i have been out of the maemo scene for awhile. is there a n average wait time from when the sdk is released to when end users see a firmware update usually? couple months maybe? Apr 13 02:53:17 slingr: usually a lot shorter than that Apr 13 02:53:31 slingr: not that I paid particular attention, but I don't remember the SDK being out a long time before the public release Apr 13 02:53:40 awesome. i'm very excited :) Apr 13 02:53:47 good good Apr 13 02:54:05 slingr: that's why a lot of people are crying wolf every 20 minutes, but really it could be today as much as it could be 2 weeks from now -- nobody knows. Apr 13 02:54:23 understandable Apr 13 02:54:25 crashanddie, what OS do u primarily use ? Apr 13 02:54:27 you* Apr 13 02:54:58 OSX at home, Windows at work (desktop), zLinux (mainframe) and Solaris as dev environments Apr 13 02:55:30 and you do maemo development right ? Apr 13 02:55:43 not in my day job Apr 13 02:55:50 ok Apr 13 02:55:52 would love to though -- if anyone has a job ;) Apr 13 02:56:21 but do u do maemo development on linux as well as mac ? Apr 13 02:57:03 bullet`: depends the language used Apr 13 02:57:45 bullet`: when it's compiled language, I use a Linux VM on the Mac, when it's an interpreted language I use the Mac directly. Apr 13 02:58:06 i want to know, if one is doing maemo development, how different is the experience if he keeps shifting linux and mac. What i assume is it should be pretty similar since the qt creator and al the tools seems similar on all platforms Apr 13 02:58:59 well, if you use Qt with an interpreted language (PyQt or PySide), it's fairly easy. Apr 13 02:59:29 you can easily develop your app on any platform, and then there's a minimal effort to port it (as long as the app doesn't use platform-specific features, gps or such) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 13 02:59:56 2010