**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 13 02:59:56 2010 Apr 13 03:00:12 If however you're writing C/C++ apps, I would recommend working on Linux with scratchbox, you depend on so many specific libraries and platform-specifics that the porting effort would be mad and no provide anything good. Apr 13 03:00:21 and what about c++, if all the qt stuff is used and its left to qt how it uses the platform underneath, is that even possible .. Apr 13 03:00:29 how much of a % of that coudl be done Apr 13 03:01:15 crashanddie: huh? C is C Apr 13 03:01:16 well, a big percentage, but you still need to compile it anyway Apr 13 03:01:22 C doesn't require porting :D Apr 13 03:01:26 oh, while talking to you i myself forgot i was asking questions related to develping for maemo, not other platforms (mac/win/nix) Apr 13 03:01:49 if you write it in pure Qt, you should be good too Apr 13 03:02:18 luke-jr: true, but I'm talking about the platform behaviour, such as threading, IPC, and such which differ slightly, don't they? Apr 13 03:02:25 bullet`: programs should not be developed *for* a specific platform Apr 13 03:02:37 bullet`: they should be platform-independent and run anywhere you compile them Apr 13 03:02:39 so i guess if u r going to be developing for maemo in qt, regardless of nix/win/mac, its should be a similar experience. Liek save the project at one place in nix, open it in mac or windows, build for mameo and deploy ? Apr 13 03:02:40 luke-jr: also, window behaviour would be quite different, and would need to be adapted quite significantly Apr 13 03:02:49 crashanddie: C doesn't define threading/IPC Apr 13 03:02:58 luke-jr: no, but the platforms libs do Apr 13 03:03:14 luke-jr: I'm not familiar with it, but pretty sure they're seriously different on mac/linux Apr 13 03:03:22 hence the qualifier 'pure' on C :) Apr 13 03:03:26 c doesnt define a lot as far as i have read on the internet Apr 13 03:03:32 threading being one of it Apr 13 03:03:39 programs should try to be cross platform, but there are cases where they would be silly. Apr 13 03:03:39 luke-jr~= +5 pedantic Apr 13 03:03:41 threading isn't usually necessary Apr 13 03:03:49 well Apr 13 03:03:51 like a gps app on my desktop. Apr 13 03:03:57 dmj726_n900: there's no reason to be platform-dependent in a Qt app Apr 13 03:04:06 u r saying htat in the age where now we have like 8 or 12 cores on one desktop machine ? Apr 13 03:04:20 sure Apr 13 03:04:26 how often do you have a single process running? ;p Apr 13 03:04:26 but i get it for maemo though Apr 13 03:04:35 in any case, I don't have a single multi-core system Apr 13 03:05:02 bullet`: he's poor and angry, don't mind him :P Apr 13 03:05:08 lol Apr 13 03:05:13 I don't need one either :) Apr 13 03:05:17 my Athlon64 3200+ keeps up Apr 13 03:05:39 he's still thinking of C-89, monolithic kernels and code organised through #ifdef Apr 13 03:05:44 ... Apr 13 03:05:53 I don't know C < 99 Apr 13 03:05:53 lol Apr 13 03:05:56 cue: "Get off my lawn" Apr 13 03:06:03 also, Linux is monolithic Apr 13 03:06:06 what about a qt interface to manage ext filesystems? Apr 13 03:06:35 dmj726_n900: no reason that needs to be platform dependent :P Apr 13 03:06:52 abstraction creates overhead Apr 13 03:06:57 or something similarly linux specific. Apr 13 03:07:02 useless abstraction creates stupid programs Apr 13 03:07:19 ext isn't Linux specific Apr 13 03:07:25 you can use it on Windows ;) Apr 13 03:07:31 afaik Android supports ext still Apr 13 03:07:49 and for all intents and purposes, Android is Linux Apr 13 03:07:54 that said, I'm not suggesting actively making anything platfom specific, just where it makes sense to enssure it vs not worry about it. Apr 13 03:07:59 crashanddie: didn't they make the fork official? Apr 13 03:08:24 no, android just doesn't have a gnu userland Apr 13 03:08:27 android is not linux i heard Apr 13 03:08:32 well, running off Linux, it's a VM that could run on anything, but the day they separate the VM from the baselayer, all those specifics will fly out of the window, and you can be sure ext will go too. Apr 13 03:08:55 crashanddie: no, I mean literally... Apr 13 03:08:57 i mean it does use the kernel, but i heard a lot of imp stuff is missing which make the porting apps diff to android Apr 13 03:08:58 android is a linux kernal and a java vm. Apr 13 03:08:58 unlike maemo Apr 13 03:09:14 bullet`: that's unrelated; Android isn't X11 Apr 13 03:09:17 maemo has a gnu debian userland Apr 13 03:09:25 anyway, useless thread Apr 13 03:09:26 dmj726_n900: err Apr 13 03:09:26 Android included a fork of Linux Apr 13 03:09:31 busybox is hardly debian userland Apr 13 03:09:40 Google doesn't want to merge to mainline; mainline doesn't want Google's stuff Apr 13 03:09:44 (simplification) Apr 13 03:09:46 last I heard they officially split ways Apr 13 03:10:42 i dont know official or intentionaly, but they couldnt maintain stuff in the kernel, and kernel devs removed their contributions .. what i read in the greg's blog (i think thats his name) Apr 13 03:11:20 Google reinvented some Linux feature as "wakelocks" and mainline doesn't want the duplicate functionality Apr 13 03:11:22 I think the split was that the most recent kernel wasn't compatible, and didn't have android changes, not any real "we're forking" thing. Apr 13 03:11:27 all drivers are affected by it Apr 13 03:11:31 wow, "greg's blog" that's going to be easy to find ;) Apr 13 03:11:37 heheh Apr 13 03:11:39 greg kroah Apr 13 03:11:42 Linux Monkey something Apr 13 03:11:46 that kernel maintainer !! Apr 13 03:11:48 :) Apr 13 03:11:50 Linux Kernel Monkey Log Apr 13 03:11:56 http://www.google.com/search?q=greg%20android%20blog&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Apr 13 03:11:59 yea that one :) Apr 13 03:12:09 crashanddie: really hard… i'm feeling lucky ^ Apr 13 03:12:30 ext4 is not functional at all on windows Apr 13 03:12:39 ext4 is useless imo Apr 13 03:12:41 :p Apr 13 03:12:49 ext3 does everything I need fine Apr 13 03:12:51 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=b0a0ccfad85b3657fe999805df65f5cfe634ab8a Apr 13 03:12:54 this is the post Apr 13 03:12:57 except SD stuff Apr 13 03:12:58 ooopss Apr 13 03:13:00 wrong one Apr 13 03:13:01 sorry Apr 13 03:13:01 but ext4 doesn't improve that Apr 13 03:13:14 ...and the other exts are only kindof there Apr 13 03:13:20 http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html?seemore=y Apr 13 03:13:30 that's why I have so many ntfs partitions Apr 13 03:13:36 anyway Apr 13 03:14:08 give me a real file system over ntfs any day. Apr 13 03:14:25 anyone knows whats up with the next version of c++ .. tey were calling it .. c zero or something ? Apr 13 03:14:34 timeless_mbp: I'm not lucky :P Apr 13 03:14:51 bullet`: it *was* called "C++ 0x" for development Apr 13 03:14:59 assuming it was going to become "C++ 09" or such (year) Apr 13 03:15:06 hmm Apr 13 03:15:06 but probably will be C++ 2010 or so now Apr 13 03:16:59 I love how they said C++0x was "Almost going to be 100% compatible with old C++" Apr 13 03:17:05 So... 99%? Apr 13 03:17:07 98%? Apr 13 03:17:14 What's "Almost 100%" Apr 13 03:17:15 ? Apr 13 03:17:20 guys I got a problem with maemo mapper Apr 13 03:17:22 99.999999999999999999% Apr 13 03:17:35 it seems that the maps I got from open street map are off Apr 13 03:17:44 luke-jr: "Everything is compatible, except for one thing, one character. Semicolon" Apr 13 03:18:03 I mean that the track I got from my gps do not correspond to the right street at all Apr 13 03:18:23 godrik: define:"at all" Apr 13 03:18:29 I uploaded the tracks to osm to check them and they were fine there Apr 13 03:18:31 godrik: 10m difference, or 20km? Apr 13 03:18:41 crashanddie: 6Km Apr 13 03:18:50 perhaps 10 Apr 13 03:19:04 sounds like your maps are diff'd Apr 13 03:19:17 have you tried turning it off and on again? Apr 13 03:19:19 I mean, download again? Apr 13 03:19:39 I mv-ed the database file and got the same problem Apr 13 03:19:52 I am checking using an other source (google street) at the moment Apr 13 03:20:41 luke-jr: std::vector&& woop dee fucking woop Apr 13 03:21:00 the version of meamo mapper is 2.6.2 Apr 13 04:03:02 are all the data of maemo mapper stored in ~/MyDocs/.documents/Maps ? Apr 13 04:16:09 where does maemo mapper store its information ? Apr 13 04:16:32 I tried to erase both ~/.maemo-mapper and ~/MyDocs/.documents/Maps Apr 13 04:16:41 but MM still remembers thing Apr 13 04:16:52 I would like to completly flush MM data. Apr 13 04:16:54 any idea ? Apr 13 04:29:18 hello everyone! Apr 13 04:30:11 I was just wondering, how do i get the album art to show in the default diablo media player (it showes up just fine in canola and other media players) The artwork is in the id3 tag. Apr 13 04:42:11 How do I simulate the "power" button inside scratchbox? Apr 13 04:45:37 hello-o? Apr 13 04:45:54 helo Apr 13 04:51:36 hehehe Apr 13 04:51:52 "Steve Jobs confirms original iPhone won't run iPhone OS 4.0" Apr 13 04:52:02 Take that bitcheees Apr 13 04:52:17 (aimed at all the whiners crying about N900 not officially supporting MeeGo) Apr 13 04:53:07 haha Apr 13 04:54:44 it was in the news .. i think it 'll run for 3gs? Apr 13 04:55:59 well, there's the iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS Apr 13 04:56:14 so we can safely assume that the iPhone 3G and 3GS versions will support OS4 Apr 13 04:57:00 for the 3g, isnt it going to be very slow ? 3gs wud be the only one that 'll run it good Apr 13 04:57:14 Not necessarily Apr 13 04:57:39 i hear 3gs is like 2.5x faster than 3g Apr 13 04:57:46 Speed has rarely something to do with it, more like the actual chipset drivers or functionalities are used a bit too much for it to be compatible with the original iPhone Apr 13 04:57:58 so since the multitasking in there now, they need a better hardware, atleast like 3gs Apr 13 04:58:00 (digital compass etc) Apr 13 04:58:25 where did you hear it wouldn't be supported? Apr 13 04:58:38 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20002318-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 Apr 13 04:59:04 Jobs responded to a customer e-mail asking if the new operating system would support the original iPhone, according to Mac enthusiast site MacStories. In his typical succinct style, Jobs said: "Sorry, no. Sent from my iPhone" Apr 13 05:00:28 heh Apr 13 05:00:36 well, android is doing same these days Apr 13 05:01:02 the aritcle seems a bit confused as to whether it's just the multitasking or 4.0 in general that isn't supported. Apr 13 05:05:55 what about the power button in scratchbox? Noone knows? Apr 13 05:06:21 or does anyone know how to make the album art work in diablo? Apr 13 05:08:08 mrlanrat: not supported AFAIK Apr 13 05:08:24 mrlanrat: only .jpg files can be used for Album Art in diablo Apr 13 05:08:58 so you need to have the artwork as a separate file? Apr 13 05:11:17 ugh, i just put my n810 into an infinite reboot. Apr 13 05:11:23 time to reflash again....... Apr 13 05:11:54 unless anyone knows how to fix hildon desktop Apr 13 05:14:28 you should have previously installed bootmenu Apr 13 05:15:10 i think i will next time Apr 13 05:15:19 but can bootmenu alone help? Apr 13 05:15:28 does bootmenu come with a shell? Apr 13 05:15:48 all i need to do is edit a config file, can that be done over usb? Apr 13 05:15:52 on usb yes Apr 13 05:15:56 how? Apr 13 05:15:58 but you should have installed bootmenu in advance Apr 13 05:16:00 telnet Apr 13 05:16:01 :P Apr 13 05:16:08 you can telnet over usb???? Apr 13 05:16:22 ... Apr 13 05:16:38 it's a network connection Apr 13 05:16:58 o, so bootmenu can allow the n810 to act as a network card? Apr 13 05:17:07 right Apr 13 05:17:11 minus the card ... Apr 13 05:17:12 good to know Apr 13 05:17:15 lol Apr 13 05:17:28 is there anything i can do without bootmenu installed? Apr 13 05:17:37 yes Apr 13 05:17:41 what? Apr 13 05:17:44 * RST38h moos triumphantly Apr 13 05:17:50 but not simple enough to hold your hand through Apr 13 05:17:58 flasher can boot a custom kernel w/o flashing it Apr 13 05:18:11 could build one that has fbcon and execs /bin/sh Apr 13 05:19:24 hmm, are there any kernels that i could use that are pre-built? (so that I don't need to compile my own) Apr 13 05:20:10 slonopotamus: ... wtf do I care? Apr 13 05:20:24 luke-jr: it's just funny :) Apr 13 05:21:10 mrlanrat; I think there is one in the testing repo Apr 13 05:21:23 where/how do i get it? Apr 13 05:21:58 mrlanrat; http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing Apr 13 05:28:20 Thanks trizt, ill look into it Apr 13 06:17:43 Haha, Microsoft's phone attempts is ridiculous Apr 13 06:17:49 (re the Kin and Kin Two) Apr 13 06:18:12 No SDK, no App Store, no pricing, and only 8GB of storage with no uSD Apr 13 06:19:09 microsoft is so pathetic !!! Apr 13 06:19:13 sorry i had to just say that ! Apr 13 06:19:32 only they do good is directx and xbox i guess ;P Apr 13 06:19:39 only thing* Apr 13 06:19:44 And Windows 7 Apr 13 06:19:53 erhm, directx sucks donkey balls Apr 13 06:20:25 the xbox is ok, but the model is wrong Apr 13 06:20:38 it maybe from the programming point of view .. Apr 13 06:20:51 paying for playing on the interwebs? When I'm hosting the server and paying for all the bandwidth? Thank you very much, bastards Apr 13 06:21:05 i dotn know about windows 7 ... although i hv been using it since some time now Apr 13 06:21:07 morning lardman Apr 13 06:21:15 aha Apr 13 06:21:15 morning crashanddie Apr 13 06:21:17 woo, 3333 thanks on tmo Apr 13 06:21:28 Stskeeps: you the devil's cousin? Apr 13 06:21:37 close enough Apr 13 06:21:41 brother Apr 13 06:21:43 ;) Apr 13 06:21:45 twice removed Apr 13 06:22:02 Stskeeps: how many posts? Apr 13 06:22:10 879 Apr 13 06:22:10 I had a uid of 666 at a company I was working for Apr 13 06:22:26 * crashanddie looks for one of Stskeeps' posts to ruin his magical number Apr 13 06:22:33 Stskeeps: nice ratio! Apr 13 06:22:41 so i was thanked on average 3.79 times per post :P Apr 13 06:23:18 I'm only at 1.52 :( Apr 13 06:23:23 are we looking at new karma metrics? Apr 13 06:23:50 i wouldn't mind thanks:posts as a metric for signal vs noise Apr 13 06:24:08 * bullet` nods Apr 13 06:24:36 Stskeeps: why can't I find any of yours posts ffs Apr 13 06:24:53 the problem is when you give endusers who refuse to read support on your application, and they refuse to thank you... good way to decrease thanks:posts ratio :p Apr 13 06:24:59 crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Apr 13 06:25:34 Stskeeps: 400 in one post? Apr 13 06:25:36 djeezus Apr 13 06:25:46 yeah Apr 13 06:25:50 it was a good post Apr 13 06:25:51 :P Apr 13 06:26:40 nha, not exceptionally good Apr 13 06:26:47 you just posted in the right forum for the audience Apr 13 06:26:54 it did shut up people, at least for a little while Apr 13 06:26:54 :P Apr 13 06:27:00 had you posted it in Community (where it belongs), you would've been trolled to death Apr 13 06:29:32 good lord, that's a lot of thanks Apr 13 06:29:44 is there ANY way of taking screenshots via command-line without using imagemagick or screenshot-tool ? Apr 13 06:30:37 ptl: short answer or long answer? Apr 13 06:30:38 wasn't there a ctrl-shift-p (or similar) keypress to do that? Apr 13 06:30:43 crashanddie: longer is better Apr 13 06:30:49 ptl: yes Apr 13 06:30:56 yes, there is Apr 13 06:30:59 but there is no dbus method or anything assigned to that, lardman Apr 13 06:31:04 I want an automated way Apr 13 06:31:08 I see Apr 13 06:31:25 ptl: the short answer was "no" Apr 13 06:32:37 (because "yes" is longer than "no") Apr 13 06:33:06 so the long answer is yes? Apr 13 06:33:18 def longest_answer(first, second): Apr 13 06:33:28 if len(first) > len(second): Apr 13 06:33:35 and what's the method is the next question ;) Apr 13 06:33:36 return first Apr 13 06:33:40 else: Apr 13 06:33:44 return second Apr 13 06:34:55 yes, so what is the method? Apr 13 06:36:57 preferrably following the order "simple command-line" >> "shell script" >> "already installed x-window utility" >> "perl script" >> "python script" >> "external c program" (screenshot-tool, imagemagick's import) Apr 13 06:37:04 the >> are arbitrary symbols. They mean nothing in this context. Apr 13 06:37:31 it's just an order of preference. :P Apr 13 06:37:32 ptl: is screenshot-tool open source? Apr 13 06:37:52 presumably one could hack it into something command line friendly Apr 13 06:40:28 Morning, all Apr 13 06:40:45 lardman: osso-screenshot-tool still exists, doesn't it? Apr 13 06:40:48 morning Jaffa Apr 13 06:41:11 Jaffa: dunno, never used it, was just suggesting somewhere for the OP to look Apr 13 06:45:20 * noobmonk3y swears that some people on t.m.o. just love to be arrogant for the fun of being arrogant Apr 13 06:46:13 ~Arif Apr 13 06:46:16 ~Arif_ Apr 13 06:46:23 ~Seen Arif Apr 13 06:46:25 arif was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 52d 16h 10m 36s ago, saying: 'yeah it was sarcasm :('. Apr 13 06:46:30 lol i'm slow today Apr 13 06:46:34 ~Seen Arif_ Apr 13 06:46:36 arif_ was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 18h 51m 27s ago, saying: 'they're not exactly the same are they?'. Apr 13 06:47:35 hey guys Apr 13 06:49:59 lardman: I was investigating the issue, sorry. Yes, it is open-source and I have seen the code and it's very very simple, couldn't be simplest. It just invokes a standard X API call to get the root screen, writes a png and that's it. Apr 13 06:50:10 lardman: but this is something that can be done from the shell Apr 13 06:50:31 hi wired Apr 13 06:50:35 ~seen ptl_demands_PR12 Apr 13 06:50:36 ptl_demands_pr12 <~patola@unaffiliated/ptl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 3h 41m 20s ago, saying: 'http://www.somelink.com if anyone is trying to test this bug :)'. Apr 13 06:50:56 ptl: that's based on the assumption that the display server is standard xorg Apr 13 06:51:28 ptl: the way I would do it, is find a way to call whatever calls ctrl shift p, and call that from your script Apr 13 06:51:29 crashanddie: sure, but that's the case with maemo, isn't it? Apr 13 06:52:10 the code to whatever calls ctrl-shift-p... isn't that intermingled with the closed source components? it might be a bit difficult to get it, isn't it? Apr 13 06:52:22 I tried to do dbus sniffing, didn't get anything Apr 13 06:52:33 new kernel again =] Apr 13 06:52:37 I even confused a thumbnailer service call to issuing the screenshot command Apr 13 06:53:18 s/ to / with / Apr 13 06:53:19 ptl meant: I even confused a thumbnailer service call with issuing the screenshot command Apr 13 06:55:56 sorry Apr 13 06:56:02 not standard X API call Apr 13 06:56:07 but standard gtk API call Apr 13 06:56:11 namely, gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable Apr 13 06:58:54 so what was the code that uses the X Windows calls? Apr 13 07:01:25 there's no such code. I confused. It uses gtk+ Apr 13 07:02:09 anyway, if you want such code (in C), xwd uses that and you can get the source Apr 13 07:02:20 no, I was wondering for you Apr 13 07:02:36 I found two python examples, using QT and GTK+ Apr 13 07:02:38 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/69645/take-a-screenshot-via-a-python-script-linux Apr 13 07:02:41 can you send keypresses to the window server then Apr 13 07:02:48 hmmm Apr 13 07:03:03 keypresses? I don't think this solution would be very reliable Apr 13 07:03:26 perhaps not, just a thought Apr 13 07:03:40 crap Apr 13 07:03:46 the latest titan kernel doesnt boot Apr 13 07:03:59 is that an overclocked one? Apr 13 07:04:08 or it didn't flash properly Apr 13 07:04:11 lardman: not by default Apr 13 07:04:39 wired: what's different about it then, other than the ability to change the overclocking? Apr 13 07:04:52 lardman: lots of extra kernel modules Apr 13 07:04:56 including nat Apr 13 07:05:04 and ofcourse onthefly oc Apr 13 07:05:10 ok Apr 13 07:05:20 mfff Apr 13 07:05:32 sucks Apr 13 07:06:19 the python-gtk way worked Apr 13 07:06:30 ptl: good good Apr 13 07:06:39 I will add it to Phone control Apr 13 07:06:56 i have a kernel image lying around somewhere... Apr 13 07:06:59 * wired looks for it Apr 13 07:07:09 ptl: why does a phone control need screenshots? Apr 13 07:07:59 lardman: I don't have the slightest idea, a friend of mine asked me to find out for him and I am curious enough that I tried. Apr 13 07:08:12 actually "Phone control" means "device control" Apr 13 07:08:17 the page is misnamed Apr 13 07:09:07 ah ok Apr 13 07:10:57 lardman sounds like the spanish inquisition Apr 13 07:11:42 well, spanish as spoken by an english person, I guess Apr 13 07:12:35 si! Apr 13 07:13:03 and on that note, /me gets ready to head to work, cu all later Apr 13 07:14:37 ... it wont boot anymore, yay Apr 13 07:15:57 crashanddie, do u use macbookpro ? Apr 13 07:16:06 yup Apr 13 07:16:16 how much does it have ? Apr 13 07:16:20 ram* Apr 13 07:16:57 8GB Apr 13 07:17:24 wow .. thats a lot .. so the os is ofcourse 64 bits, do u run windows on a vm in it ? Apr 13 07:17:32 nope Apr 13 07:17:37 only linux Apr 13 07:17:57 aha .. hw is the performance of linux on vm ? Apr 13 07:18:14 and > 4GB doesn't require 64bit, you can have 32 bit and > 4GB Apr 13 07:18:28 it's only that a single process will only be able to address 4GB Apr 13 07:18:49 aha . is that a feature for mac that even on 32 bits u can utilize more than 4gb? Apr 13 07:19:00 aha ok Apr 13 07:19:18 WTF? Tweego is 15Mb? that's a lot. Apr 13 07:19:28 No, any OS can implement that, Linux does, so do some versions of Windows, dunno about Mac, I do have a 64bit OS Apr 13 07:20:27 well i have been only familiar with gaming forums that the guys discuss their the gaming pcs they have (windows), they always have to select a 64 bit vista/win7 if they have 4 gb or above ram Apr 13 07:20:55 yeah, because microsoft chose not to implement it Apr 13 07:21:00 yea Apr 13 07:21:03 highmem is a bit poor, to be fair Apr 13 07:21:10 but windows server 2003 supports 8GB of RAM in 32bit mode Apr 13 07:21:18 Linux supports 64GB in 32bit mode Apr 13 07:21:25 so how is the performance of linux in the vm on your mbp? Apr 13 07:21:29 excellent Apr 13 07:21:32 feels native Apr 13 07:21:41 yea servers have those capacities Apr 13 07:21:45 aha thats cool Apr 13 07:21:55 can we say windows will be that good on the vm in mbp too ? Apr 13 07:23:20 i have a laptop , vostro 1500, and now its the 3rd year going .. and i cannot convince myself to get any other laptop, nothing seems way better than my current laptop. But since few months i have my eyes on mbp 15, design wise and durabillity, i think everything is excellent. Apr 13 07:23:34 i know will have to spend a lot of money but totally worth it Apr 13 07:23:57 bullet`: new macbook pros are going to come out Apr 13 07:24:05 bullet`: it's a bad time to buy -- you won't get good value for money Apr 13 07:24:18 but since i do the dvelopment in windows, i cant give it up totally. Apr 13 07:24:28 wait for the new ones to come out, and then buy refurbished Apr 13 07:24:34 yea i have heard that somewhere, maybe engadget .. will wait for them Apr 13 07:24:36 you can get 10-40% off Apr 13 07:25:04 how long have u been using yours ? Apr 13 07:25:18 bullet`: Don't forget that there's bootcamp, which allows you to boot windows natively as well Apr 13 07:25:24 6 months Apr 13 07:25:32 yea Apr 13 07:25:45 But I can't expect a windows vm not to run smoothly Apr 13 07:25:56 any fears about battery ? will it run for like 2 years ?? its not replaceabl right ? Apr 13 07:26:16 Well, 6 months down the line and i still get 7hours out of mine Apr 13 07:26:25 cool Apr 13 07:26:33 and if it breaks, I'll replace it... Whether I have to go to an apple store or not for that doesn't change much Apr 13 07:26:48 what about the new mbps, is the battery repleaceable ? Apr 13 07:26:53 nope Apr 13 07:27:25 aha Apr 13 07:27:53 but its safe to assume that the battery should last like 2 years .. so many ppl r using this stuff. Apr 13 07:28:31 pretty much Apr 13 07:30:14 bullet`: I only have the 13" one though Apr 13 07:30:25 bullet`: the 2.6Ghz one or whatever it is Apr 13 07:30:43 I upgrade the RAM myself, went from 2GB to 8GB (the prices from Apple are mad) Apr 13 07:31:13 aha Apr 13 07:31:25 so i should get the lowest ram available and than buy my own Apr 13 07:31:26 oh no Apr 13 07:31:31 you used non apple ram? Apr 13 07:31:41 so how muchw as the 8gb extra, did u sale the 2gb u had ? Apr 13 07:32:00 that's blasphemy Apr 13 07:32:03 nha, gave it to a friend Apr 13 07:32:47 I don't remember the price Apr 13 07:32:49 what's mounting sd card in n900? Apr 13 07:33:02 ke-recv Apr 13 07:33:25 bullet`: I think I paid $220 per 4GB chip Apr 13 07:33:27 question, why do people buy the iPad? Apr 13 07:33:39 bullet`: so $440 in total, whereas from Apple it was like $1000 or something Apr 13 07:33:59 crashanddie: that's still cheaper than server memory Apr 13 07:34:25 hmm Apr 13 07:34:43 jacekowski: and? It just wasn't part of my budget Apr 13 07:35:26 i'll suffice with 4 gb i guess :) Apr 13 07:35:54 You can run 2VMs with 2GB Apr 13 07:36:03 I just give each VM 512MB Apr 13 07:36:40 crashanddie, when mac os boots and ready to start doing stuff, how much ram is it taking at that time , generally ? Apr 13 07:36:54 I have a few apps running in the background Apr 13 07:37:19 usually with Skype, browser and such, I'm around 500-700 Apr 13 07:37:26 when it just boots, probably 300 Apr 13 07:37:37 thats pretty nice Apr 13 07:39:06 bullet`: you can run most OSs with 256MB of RAM Apr 13 07:39:28 if you want to use it comfortably, 512, if you need to run memory intensive stuff, 768 or 1024 Apr 13 07:40:53 yea i have tried several times, windows on windows .. Apr 13 07:40:58 it was ok .. Apr 13 07:41:22 but yes depends on what u wanna do and so adjust the ram accordingly Apr 13 07:41:38 bullet`: where do you live? Apr 13 07:42:22 well these days, i'm in east timor Apr 13 07:43:30 where the hell is that? Country/ Apr 13 07:43:35 hehe Apr 13 07:43:39 umm Apr 13 07:43:44 its used to be a part of indonesia Apr 13 07:43:49 got independence in 2002 Apr 13 07:43:50 oh wow Apr 13 07:43:51 ok Apr 13 07:43:54 first country of 21rst century Apr 13 07:44:06 most recent country/ Apr 13 07:44:07 its a pretty small island, near indonesia Apr 13 07:44:07 ? Apr 13 07:44:13 yea Apr 13 07:44:31 its 600km from darwin/australia Apr 13 07:44:34 well, I don't know how pricing is there, but I used to live in the UK, and bought my mbp in the US Apr 13 07:44:44 Paid about half price Apr 13 07:44:54 well, maybe a tad more, but really, massive price difference Apr 13 07:45:08 east timor? So you speak portuguese? Então você sabe português, bullet`? Costuma acessar fóruns de N900 brasileiros? Apr 13 07:45:20 well i cant find anything here for sure, i can pick up the laptop from singapore or indonesia, or maybe ask a friend coming from usa to get me mbp15 Apr 13 07:45:33 hehe, no ptl i am not a local here Apr 13 07:45:38 wow Apr 13 07:45:40 oh, sorry then Apr 13 07:45:41 just trying to learn some stuff Apr 13 07:46:01 my kernel_task uses 1.08gb :) Apr 13 07:46:04 portugese is official language here but the locals speak Tatum Apr 13 07:46:07 ptl: no, he's not used to going to the brasilian n900 forums you're an admin of :P Apr 13 07:46:17 my browser tends to use ~600mb Apr 13 07:46:22 crashanddie: I am not admin of any forum Apr 13 07:46:25 my irc client tends to use ~400mb Apr 13 07:46:30 EH? Apr 13 07:46:35 400mb on IRC? Apr 13 07:46:35 I usually try hard to stay as an user Apr 13 07:46:36 wtf Apr 13 07:46:44 administering things steals your time. Apr 13 07:46:52 timeless_mbp: what do you use? Apr 13 07:46:52 my indexer (like tracker) [Quicksilver] uses 150mb Apr 13 07:47:12 crashanddie: atm, ZFS, Caminio, Adium, Quicksilver Apr 13 07:47:24 i'm pretty sure ZFS is the reason my kernel is using >1gb of ram Apr 13 07:47:34 timeless_mbp: I don't have that much running, littlesnitch, macirssi, and that's about it :) Apr 13 07:48:08 * ptl is using irssi + irssi-proxy on server and kvirc on client Apr 13 07:48:29 macirssi uses something like 30mb I think Apr 13 07:50:18 how many channels? Apr 13 07:51:08 i have 33 tabs in 4 windows, from 4 networks including 6 tabs for servers Apr 13 07:51:29 17 channels Apr 13 07:51:50 adium (when it isn't crashing, or updating) is kinda nice Apr 13 07:51:59 it has useful highlighting, and works w/ growl Apr 13 07:52:05 what do u do on so many channels ? Apr 13 07:52:18 it draws a 'you stopped reading here' line and shows me where others poked me Apr 13 07:52:26 bullet`: 17 is really not many at all Apr 13 07:52:35 one network is for casual chat Apr 13 07:52:48 i'm a noob so i have only 2 channel windows opn :) Apr 13 07:52:48 actually 3 networks, sorry Apr 13 07:52:53 one network is for work purposes Apr 13 07:53:18 split into primary dev, backchannel, secondary dev, tertiary dev, monitoring Apr 13 07:53:24 just bcuz of n900, i started using irc Apr 13 07:53:38 this network is a couple public chats maemo/meego, plus a dev channel Apr 13 07:53:54 the last network is for standards work Apr 13 07:54:00 in 3 areas iirc Apr 13 07:54:01 standards mean Apr 13 07:54:07 w3 Apr 13 07:54:13 things like html, css, ... Apr 13 07:54:27 timeless: doesn't it pay to use some bnc or irssi-proxy if adium crashes that much? This way you would still use adium but would not lose your session Apr 13 07:54:42 * timeless_mbp points to timeless Apr 13 07:54:52 aha Apr 13 07:54:53 if i need a little scrollback, timeless has it :) Apr 13 07:55:11 ircii epic Apr 13 07:55:25 might be nice but it doesn't have the proxying of irssi ;) Apr 13 07:55:30 ptl: yep, running one of those Apr 13 07:55:40 * timeless_mbp shrugs Apr 13 07:55:56 try it Apr 13 07:56:03 I couldn't believe I used irssi for so many years without actually knowing about irssi-proxy Apr 13 07:56:11 you just join the network and channels you need Apr 13 07:56:22 wondering what n will reveal in 3 minutes: http://events.nokia.com/everyoneconnect/ Apr 13 07:56:27 do a /save layout, /load proxy, set up some basic stuff (ports and passwords) Apr 13 07:56:37 and then you can use your irssi as an IRC server Apr 13 07:56:45 it works transparently through every IRC client Apr 13 07:56:46 is there any public http proxy for accessing freenode channels ? Apr 13 07:57:42 irc isn't going to work over http proxy Apr 13 07:57:56 might work Apr 13 07:58:00 X-Chat can do IRC via http proxy Apr 13 07:58:01 hmm Apr 13 07:58:13 ssh tunnel somewhere might do the trick Apr 13 07:58:16 just use screen Apr 13 07:58:19 I don't know how it does that. Apr 13 07:58:20 screen + irssi Apr 13 07:58:25 or weechat. Apr 13 07:58:30 yep Apr 13 07:58:31 ptl: oh, i know it exists Apr 13 07:58:44 bullet`: webchat.freenode.net ? Apr 13 07:58:55 but i need a public http proxy to use it xchat .. cuz from my home i cant access ip:port, its kind of a restriction , so if i cant specify some http procy, maybe i can chat from it Apr 13 07:59:02 yes i have tried that .. its good Apr 13 07:59:14 * timeless_mbp was very impressed by it Apr 13 07:59:17 but i was thinking if i can power xchat with some proxy at home Apr 13 07:59:29 yea pretty neat and fast Apr 13 08:00:24 hm Apr 13 08:01:33 lol fail Apr 13 08:01:58 what an uber-impressive surprise this was. Apr 13 08:02:56 ? Apr 13 08:03:10 http://events.nokia.com/everyoneconnect/ the count down ended 3 minutes ago Apr 13 08:05:08 i'm impressed Apr 13 08:05:14 they managed to find articulate people Apr 13 08:05:24 i didn't know nokia could do that! Apr 13 08:08:41 hey, look, you can have contacts on your home screen Apr 13 08:08:45 isn't that something Apr 13 08:09:22 I want contacts on my homescreen! (So I can plug in a trackpoint) Apr 13 08:09:26 not big wow moment but still Apr 13 08:09:41 looks pretty ok devices all together Apr 13 08:09:58 * timeless_mbp sighs Apr 13 08:10:02 finns suck Apr 13 08:10:13 Anss|: some offense intended Apr 13 08:10:17 o_O Apr 13 08:10:37 Shapeshifter: countdown to pr1.2? Apr 13 08:10:40 "pretty ok" is not English Apr 13 08:12:28 and "all together" is probably wrong. perhaps "all in all" Apr 13 08:12:54 timeless_mbp, thank you for your opinion Apr 13 08:12:57 (or just overall) Apr 13 08:13:48 remote commands would be so cool for telepathy. Apr 13 08:14:03 "stick tongue out at user" Apr 13 08:14:06 [remotely] Apr 13 08:14:28 forwarding messages for example. Apr 13 08:19:44 ok guys my n900 won't boot anymore :P it turns on, shows nokia logo, the bullets loading screen then turns black (but keeps running, i can tell cause if i hold the power button it powers off). is there any way i could salvage it without flashing it? Apr 13 08:20:58 try using rd mode Apr 13 08:21:04 sometimes it helps. Apr 13 08:21:21 wired: you shouldn't have tried to overclock it Apr 13 08:21:28 it was not overclocked Apr 13 08:21:33 bs Apr 13 08:21:39 jacekowski: oh come on Apr 13 08:21:45 lol Apr 13 08:21:47 lol Apr 13 08:21:54 i indeed use it oc'd occasionally Apr 13 08:21:56 do you want me to grep logs for wired and overclock? Apr 13 08:22:00 but i use the titan kernel Apr 13 08:22:06 so on boot its not ocd Apr 13 08:22:11 at your own i'd say Apr 13 08:22:12 :P Apr 13 08:22:32 blah i wish i could boot in console and see whats happening Apr 13 08:22:56 can I somehow configure the activesync-thing to not notify me on new mails in subfolders? Apr 13 08:23:04 this happened after a kernel upgrade so im guessing something went wrong there Apr 13 08:23:11 jacekowski: do you plan on making further improvements and adaptations in chromium for the N900? I think that's pretty much the general expectation Apr 13 08:23:35 ptl: yeah, the problem is that on my hardware it takes like 5h to build it Apr 13 08:23:40 wow Apr 13 08:23:52 ptl: but i'll have new server today or tomorrow Apr 13 08:23:56 well, I should have known, chromium is a big beast Apr 13 08:24:06 jacekowski: try using distcc (localy) it helps Apr 13 08:24:08 ptl: well, on maemo builder it's 20minutes Apr 13 08:24:14 oh Apr 13 08:24:42 webkit needs a huge amout of RAM and disk to build. Apr 13 08:24:47 but i'll have http://www.ovh.co.uk/products/eg_best_of.xml Apr 13 08:24:50 today Apr 13 08:25:20 jacekowski: in my arm gentoo chroot (on an i5) it went down from 2h22m to 51m with distcc :) Apr 13 08:25:43 distcc? Apr 13 08:25:50 why would you use it on single machine Apr 13 08:26:02 because the chroot emulates arm gcc Apr 13 08:26:06 thats ugly Apr 13 08:26:22 if you send all the compiling to a native gcc that crosscompiles to arm Apr 13 08:26:26 you get huge speed increases Apr 13 08:26:32 ;) Apr 13 08:30:37 Is it that small? Apr 13 08:30:48 down to 40% that is Apr 13 08:31:20 I would have expected compiling natively to be several hundred percent faster Apr 13 08:32:05 why is my n800 battery discharging so rapidly Apr 13 08:32:07 like 2 days Apr 13 08:32:13 idle Apr 13 08:32:49 because it's old? Apr 13 08:33:52 new Apr 13 08:34:46 SpeedEvil2: well there's still overhead, the configure phase has to be done by the chroot for one Apr 13 08:35:06 because it's a cheap knock-off from ebay? Apr 13 08:35:23 wired: hmm. I suppose it oesn't take that long before that starts to dominate. Apr 13 08:35:59 wired: working out where the time goes - bootchart? and optimising that might be interesting. For example - you don't need cat to run as arm Apr 13 08:36:56 Morning Apr 13 08:37:45 * SpeedEvil2 notes the evil daystar has in fact just woken him up. Apr 13 08:37:53 * Treibholz was happy, to find out, new batteries for the N900 aren't expensive. Mine will be down in a year (at the latest) Apr 13 08:38:04 Treibholz: ? Apr 13 08:38:20 Treibholz: you mean non-genuine ones? Apr 13 08:38:33 SpeedEvil2: genuine, 12€ Apr 13 08:39:02 Treibholz: are you sure that's actually real - it just doesn't have 'genuine' printed on the battery? Apr 13 08:39:25 http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001O5ES0S/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_i2?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=13ASPCVDDCJP2DQTMB9B&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375193&pf_rd_i=301128 Apr 13 08:39:55 theres no real guarantee it's genuine, and for that price i'd suggest it isnt Apr 13 08:39:55 yea right. :D Apr 13 08:40:04 two reviews, both 1 star Apr 13 08:40:13 447M chrome Apr 13 08:40:14 i'd bet it's a cheap chinese copy Apr 13 08:40:19 one single 447M binary Apr 13 08:40:30 if i compile it with -g option Apr 13 08:40:38 jacekowski: lol. Apr 13 08:40:40 and don't strip Apr 13 08:40:58 jacekowski: It'd be amusing to see if that started. Apr 13 08:41:03 it does Apr 13 08:41:06 :) Apr 13 08:41:09 in gdb Apr 13 08:41:30 hmpf.... ok... Apr 13 08:41:39 linux kernel is clever enough to just mmap that file without loading it Apr 13 08:42:29 i'm just wondering how strip would shrink it Apr 13 08:42:58 later everyone Apr 13 08:43:47 35M chrome Apr 13 08:43:54 35M after stripping Apr 13 08:45:06 Bring back lzexe! Apr 13 08:47:24 ptl: what happened to you nick? Apr 13 08:47:31 ptl: pr1.2 is released? Apr 13 08:47:36 jacekowski: no Apr 13 08:47:41 jacekowski: you can say I'm giving up. Apr 13 08:47:55 you can't give up on your dreams Apr 13 08:48:08 jacekowski: will try another venues. Announced my N900 on ebay Apr 13 08:48:13 ok, just kidding. :) Apr 13 08:48:56 It's just that ptl is registered, ptl_demands_PR12 not Apr 13 08:49:02 My clock does not drip down the screen! I'm selling my n900! Dalibreaker. Apr 13 08:49:26 does anyone happen to know if LibLocation's reported speed is really in km/h in Maemo5? in Maemo4 it's in m/s Apr 13 08:50:27 jacekowski: ptl_wants_Nokia_to_have_a_clue it too big for freenode Apr 13 08:50:31 sounds like a pretty stupid api change, as m/s is the standard unit for velocity Apr 13 08:50:38 cos^: double speed; Current speed (km/h). Apr 13 08:50:42 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/LocationGPSDevice.html Apr 13 08:51:35 ptl: as konttori is on the paternity leave, no one does anything about pr1.2 Apr 13 08:51:54 cos^: Seems odd to me too btw ;) Apr 13 08:52:01 Scelt: what do you mean? Apr 13 08:52:12 * lcuk thinks Scelt is wrong Apr 13 08:52:15 konttori: He wants a scoop ;) Apr 13 08:52:17 konttori: you're not spaking the people there :D Apr 13 08:52:21 spanking Apr 13 08:52:35 another useless #ifdef between maemo 4 and 5 :-/ Apr 13 08:52:36 oh, yeah, I am not, except as a normal hacker/community member. Apr 13 08:52:42 ok Apr 13 08:52:54 emilia is sleeping atm, so I am coding. Apr 13 08:53:03 :] Apr 13 08:53:10 if you're from Nokia (I never know), please, guys. PR1.2 is important... release it. There's just too much frustration around it right now Apr 13 08:53:25 Just trying to help, now I'll return to my studies of the maemo5 environment. Apr 13 08:53:34 ptl: And you think that people working on it don't know that? Apr 13 08:53:52 well, I am not even reading my nokia emails, so personally, I have no idea about the pr1.2 release status. Apr 13 08:53:53 X-Fade: seems like they don't know 'hard enough', I dunno. Apr 13 08:53:59 (and I want to keep it that way ;) ) Apr 13 08:54:05 ptl: Do you really think that Nokia has it sitting on the shelf and waits just to piss you off? :) Apr 13 08:54:19 no, it must have its internal reasons Apr 13 08:54:21 each time people speak of pr1.2, it gets delayed one more day Apr 13 08:54:22 ;) Apr 13 08:54:27 but they should nevertheless increase the priority. Apr 13 08:55:20 konttori: how about ovi maps 3 for N900? is it in progress at all? Apr 13 08:55:32 Stskeeps: the tmo topic keeps growing and growing... this way PR1.2 release schedule will outgrow the cold death of the universe Apr 13 08:56:28 s/outgrow/outlive/ Apr 13 08:56:29 ptl meant: Stskeeps: the tmo topic keeps growing and growing... this way PR1.2 release schedule will outlive the cold death of the universe Apr 13 08:56:30 to be honest, I am not exactly sure. They were working on it to some degree, but I wasn't exactly certain that did they decide to halt the development or not. It's part of the applications teams work, so I didn't pay too much attention to that, as I don't use it myself. Apr 13 08:56:31 out-whatever Apr 13 08:56:32 outage? Apr 13 08:57:40 is that uninformative enough? In theory, they are doing their app with web runtime, so it should be the same app for all nokia platforms, so, ... anyway, you can email simone.leggio@nokia.com to ask. He's heading the applications team for n900. Apr 13 08:58:05 she'll respond "Nokia doesn't announce release dates" Apr 13 08:58:19 (or whatever the official term is... I suppose coach in these 'agile' days) Apr 13 08:58:36 but I thought it should be in testing stage by now. Are they still applying the fixes? Apr 13 08:59:09 konttori: okay, thanks! Apr 13 08:59:10 actually, it's he. Apr 13 08:59:16 (and not she) Apr 13 08:59:19 sorry, "he" then Apr 13 08:59:27 it's just that Simone is a lady's name in my country Apr 13 08:59:37 I thought so too :P Apr 13 09:00:56 Nokia Maps is developed completely by the nokia maps team, which does it for all platforms, so we have quite limited interaction with those guys. Apr 13 09:01:14 And simone is the maemo contact person for nokia maps. Apr 13 09:01:45 and I think that they have some higher priorities for new s60 phones. launching new supported phones all the time Apr 13 09:01:58 Scelt: s60 team is also bigger though Apr 13 09:02:20 Stskeeps: there's one team doing all the maps dev Apr 13 09:02:27 well, otoh, they are doing cross platform development, so that should not matter so much. Apr 13 09:02:36 that's the beauty of qt and wrt. Apr 13 09:02:44 Scelt: true Apr 13 09:03:05 konttori: one hell of a jump in development Apr 13 09:03:09 Maps on S60 is pretty good, so I'm wondering what the hell went wrong with Maps for Maemo. Apr 13 09:03:22 With the UI mostly Apr 13 09:03:25 Nothing went wrong Apr 13 09:03:30 they just have to reprogram it Apr 13 09:03:35 not so easy, I think Apr 13 09:03:43 lots of such code is dependent on UI Apr 13 09:03:48 I think s60 maps is not yet based on wrt. Apr 13 09:03:57 The UI is not intuitive at all. Apr 13 09:04:04 while maemo ui is. anyway, as said, I have no clue what they are doing really. Apr 13 09:04:26 just ircing and gettig paid :D Apr 13 09:04:37 hi Apr 13 09:04:53 work work work.... wirk wirk wirk... irc irc irc... Apr 13 09:05:09 bork bork bork Apr 13 09:05:50 ovi maps should have come to older s60 phones too but I doubt that. Older customers are awfully often just forgotten Apr 13 09:06:28 why that https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ is forcing https Apr 13 09:07:00 Scelt: many users of older s60 phones runs warez copy of ovi maps instead Apr 13 09:07:15 Scelt: license protection for ovi maps 3.x was broken over year ago Apr 13 09:07:23 hrw: dunno. I bought the license two times. great app which I wanted to support Apr 13 09:07:54 Scelt: I got free month license and stay with tomtom device Apr 13 09:08:13 I never bought tom tom or similar. ovi maps 3 was just fine Apr 13 09:08:13 yeah, it's nice to have satnav in a phone Apr 13 09:08:22 but i'm using tomtom in car Apr 13 09:08:35 it has better speaker Apr 13 09:08:41 windscreen mount Apr 13 09:08:54 jacekowski: fresher maps Apr 13 09:08:58 ( my windscreen has cracked couple days ago ) Apr 13 09:09:03 well, no Apr 13 09:09:18 iq routes and few other nice things which ovi maps did not had Apr 13 09:09:20 ovi maps were really up-to-date Apr 13 09:09:42 who wants to look at the tiny monitor of a phone to navigate? Apr 13 09:09:53 I don't look at the monitor Apr 13 09:10:05 in that case. :) Apr 13 09:10:21 who looks at the monitor while driving anyway, thats what voice guidance is for Apr 13 09:10:26 but I must admit that I never used the navigation in a place that I really know nothing about Apr 13 09:10:30 I tried to navigate yesterday using Sygic and the FM transmitter. Didn't work very well Apr 13 09:10:37 Scelt: what pissed me off from ovi maps was very often recalculating of road Apr 13 09:11:01 Scelt: it recalculated when I stopped on red light and then recalculated 5 meters later Apr 13 09:11:01 hrw: ovi maps 2 did that but 3 solved all the problems I had with 2. left nothing to complain Apr 13 09:11:09 Scelt: ovi maps3 Apr 13 09:11:13 not with me Apr 13 09:11:24 you got the monday version Apr 13 09:11:37 builder is broken Apr 13 09:11:39 again Apr 13 09:11:44 Scelt: which s60 phone? s60v3fp1 or s60v3fp2 or s60v5? Apr 13 09:11:49 jacekowski: what's up? Apr 13 09:11:56 hrw: N82. I think fp1 Apr 13 09:11:56 btw. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-maemo_2.6.28-maemo22/ Apr 13 09:12:09 X-Fade: i've sent something to build and it's still in queue Apr 13 09:12:26 jacekowski: which one? Apr 13 09:12:27 X-Fade: do you have highlight for builder and broken? Apr 13 09:12:29 cgdb Apr 13 09:15:10 jacekowski: it helps if you upload the tarball too. Apr 13 09:15:42 Only diff and .dsc are in your .changes ;) Apr 13 09:16:17 dput failed Apr 13 09:16:28 jacekowski: check your .changes. Apr 13 09:16:36 jacekowski: It is not in there either. Apr 13 09:17:18 hrw: my ovi maps doesn’t recalculate routes at all. do i have to enable that? Apr 13 09:17:45 no idea, I left my s60 phone in decembber Apr 13 09:17:59 ah, so you were not talking about the maemo version Apr 13 09:19:44 sECuRE: maemo version of ovi maps is useless crap Apr 13 09:19:56 yep, that’s what i think, too Apr 13 09:20:02 paper map is much better Apr 13 09:20:18 too bad that there is no demo version of sygic maps Apr 13 09:21:17 Yes, it's a shame. Apr 13 09:21:28 Sygic is pretty good for car use Apr 13 09:21:59 if you have something to hold your phone Apr 13 09:22:07 and for that price you can buy dedicated tomtom Apr 13 09:22:51 Huh? For 59e? Apr 13 09:23:53 The cheapest tomtom I found with quick googling was 108,90e Apr 13 09:24:11 you go to any shop here Apr 13 09:24:22 and it's about 90 quid Apr 13 09:24:34 and includes in car charger Apr 13 09:24:38 windscreen mount Apr 13 09:24:41 better speaker Apr 13 09:24:45 Cheap GPSes mean outlay for N900 car mount and Sygic probably isn't worth it for my occasional use. Apr 13 09:24:49 Will stick with Wayfinder on N810 for now Apr 13 09:24:59 I have a windscreen mount that cost me 11 euros. Apr 13 09:25:08 jacekowski: Probably faster fix when you don't have a data connection Apr 13 09:25:39 Cheap GPSes are less handy for cycling than N900 with good maps would be. Apr 13 09:25:56 tomtom have same maps everywhere Apr 13 09:26:06 Sygic also has walking/cycling routing. I haven't tried that yet, but I know it's there. Apr 13 09:26:35 X-Fade: have you thought about displaying live progress somewhere? Apr 13 09:27:05 I'm just saying that you don't actually need an additional device for navigation. :) Apr 13 09:27:23 MiXu-: yeah, it's usefull to take a look at map or something Apr 13 09:27:29 I know there are devices that do the job slightly better than N900+Sygic. Apr 13 09:27:29 but it's not in car navigation Apr 13 09:28:10 jacekowski: In this case it doesn't matter as your source is broken? Apr 13 09:29:21 fixed i it now Apr 13 09:29:32 s/\ i// Apr 13 09:29:52 Yes, looks better. Apr 13 09:30:41 Anyway, builds get picked up every 2 minutes and can run up to 8 in parallel. Apr 13 09:31:03 what's used for it? Apr 13 09:31:15 buildd? Apr 13 09:31:48 sbdmock on the builder and buildme for build queue processing. Apr 13 09:32:40 repository imports are done every 2 minutes as well? Apr 13 09:34:07 imports are done every 2 mins yes. Apr 13 09:46:10 http://bug.corp.yahoo.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3574151 Apr 13 09:46:12 Bug 3574151: was not found. Apr 13 09:47:32 ok Apr 13 09:47:41 fiasco+emmc fixed it Apr 13 09:48:19 thankfully i didn't lose much, i only had one [recent] config file not backed up, but its fresh in memory :) Apr 13 09:48:26 mh, I can't seem to manage to install extensions in chromium. I tap "install" and it just scrolls to the top of the page and nothing happens Apr 13 09:49:30 wired: you had to erase your emmc to fix the N900 boot issue? Apr 13 09:49:47 yes unfortunately Apr 13 09:50:46 mh now it worked Apr 13 09:50:53 but i did manage to backup everything from mydocs Apr 13 09:50:59 since usb storage mode worked :) Apr 13 09:51:15 cool. Apr 13 09:51:25 * GAN900 yawns and complains about the TSA making him get up early for the airport. Apr 13 09:51:48 GAN900: They allow you to fly? Apr 13 09:52:08 X-Fade, I guess we'll find out when I get there. ;) Apr 13 09:52:29 * GAN900 doubts Delta would check with the TSA before taking somebody's money. Apr 13 09:52:33 GAN900: Expected you to be on all kinds of no-fly lists :) Apr 13 09:52:48 X-Fade, you see the cloak bug? Apr 13 09:53:06 GAN900: Yes, will do that. Apr 13 09:54:00 ~die maemo, die Apr 13 09:54:01 * infobot murders maemo, die, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... Apr 13 09:54:18 that's rude Apr 13 09:54:18 :P Apr 13 09:54:55 * wired mental note - beware of kernel updates Apr 13 09:55:12 Stskeeps: it is rather too simple die sequence for it Apr 13 09:55:16 wired: n900? Apr 13 09:55:25 hrw: yeap Apr 13 09:55:42 wired: so far there were no official kernel updates for n900 Apr 13 09:55:49 i did not say official Apr 13 09:55:57 :> Apr 13 09:56:07 wired: I do not use unofficial ones - except mine ;) Apr 13 09:56:12 heh Apr 13 09:56:22 yes thats probably what i should be doing as well Apr 13 09:56:28 i was using the one in the repo Apr 13 09:56:39 it updated today and boom Apr 13 09:56:41 no boot Apr 13 09:57:31 rootfs 227.9M 224.3M 0 100% / Apr 13 09:57:33 ~die himself, ressurrect on the third day then goes on writing a large book about PR1.2 revelations, but Apr 13 09:57:34 * infobot murders himself, ressurrect on the third day then goes on writing a large book about PR1.2 revelations, but, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... Apr 13 09:57:59 jacekowski: you have to love that... happened to me as well :P Apr 13 09:58:14 never happened to me, lalalalala Apr 13 09:58:24 wired: but you can flash just kernel so no worry Apr 13 09:58:34 hrw: tried, didn't work Apr 13 09:58:40 hrw: tried fiasco alone, didn't work Apr 13 09:58:54 tried a bunch of other stuff that didn't work before that Apr 13 09:59:03 in the end i flashed fiasco+emmc and it booted Apr 13 09:59:05 what's ~/MyDocs/cities/diskcache used for? it's huge Apr 13 09:59:21 ptl: ovi craps Apr 13 09:59:22 geotagging maybe Apr 13 09:59:31 ptl, some sort of diskcache for the maps ;) Apr 13 09:59:32 ptl: cached maps Apr 13 09:59:32 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive Apr 13 09:59:35 s/craps/maps Apr 13 09:59:36 that's hhuge Apr 13 09:59:50 meh i wish i could boot gentoo on this with everything working Apr 13 09:59:51 and i suspect that it contains locale for all languages Apr 13 10:00:08 wired: i'm never going back to gentoo Apr 13 10:00:12 wired: well, ready for some 20 years of compilation? Apr 13 10:00:16 I have ran ovi maps 3 or 4 times only since I bought the N900 Apr 13 10:00:16 everything took to long to install Apr 13 10:00:22 i love gentoo Apr 13 10:00:31 it's slow Apr 13 10:00:35 I loved Gentoo with a passion, but seriously, having to manually remove the masks of unstable packages, never again Apr 13 10:00:36 can't imagine why this directory is so large Apr 13 10:00:46 crashanddie_: autounmask Apr 13 10:00:52 crashanddie_: no, i already have a gentoo chroot on the n900, i built it on my i5 Apr 13 10:00:58 and i use ~, stable is for servers Apr 13 10:01:00 =] Apr 13 10:01:03 wired: so, only took 10 hours? Apr 13 10:01:16 for 0 performance gain? Apr 13 10:01:24 i don't care about performance Apr 13 10:01:29 finally Apr 13 10:01:33 i care about knowing what the heck is going on with my system Apr 13 10:01:34 :) Apr 13 10:01:34 finally someone who understands gentoo Apr 13 10:01:52 well, i've tried different combinations Apr 13 10:01:56 wired: you just gave me confidence in the human race again Apr 13 10:01:57 and gentoo is faster Apr 13 10:02:02 wired: have you tried gentoo prefix? Apr 13 10:02:03 but only because of one reason Apr 13 10:02:11 and i enjoy the way gentoo works Apr 13 10:02:16 stock kernel in most of distributions is bloated Apr 13 10:02:17 dragon900: no, not yet anyway Apr 13 10:02:26 and that's where most of performance is lost Apr 13 10:02:51 dragon900: i guess i should at some point Apr 13 10:03:12 i set gentoo prefix up on my n900 today Apr 13 10:03:13 crashanddie_: i also like use flags and ebuilds are really easy and fun to write =] Apr 13 10:03:36 even with distcc, emerge is really slow :( Apr 13 10:04:11 expected Apr 13 10:04:27 create a gentoo/arm chroot on a fast system Apr 13 10:04:33 using qemu-user Apr 13 10:04:41 and build binpackages Apr 13 10:04:51 dragon900: paludis Apr 13 10:04:57 lol Apr 13 10:05:06 that won't get him past the configure phases faster Apr 13 10:05:10 and emerge "recently" became faster Apr 13 10:05:24 wired: but emerge is awfully slow on calculating dependencie Apr 13 10:05:25 s Apr 13 10:05:30 was Apr 13 10:05:44 its ok now, unless you override eclasses Apr 13 10:05:52 when did it changed? Apr 13 10:06:01 it was awfully slow 2 years ago Apr 13 10:06:06 and 3 years ago Apr 13 10:06:11 and 4 years ago Apr 13 10:06:16 well Apr 13 10:06:21 so i doubt anything has changed Apr 13 10:06:25 im only using gentoo for 2 years this june Apr 13 10:06:57 and developing for it since last july, but it did improve vastly at some point :) Apr 13 10:08:40 int a=1; a=a<<8; printf("%d",a) Apr 13 10:08:59 256 or 0? Apr 13 10:09:47 256 Apr 13 10:09:50 0? Apr 13 10:09:59 it's either << or >> Apr 13 10:10:35 256 Apr 13 10:10:56 also jacekowski it wont compile Apr 13 10:13:47 jacekowski:~# gcc test.c Apr 13 10:13:47 jacekowski:~# ./a.out Apr 13 10:13:47 256 Apr 13 10:13:55 well it compiles on x86 Apr 13 10:14:17 wow, a c compiler that doesnt care about putting things in functions or semi colons :p Apr 13 10:14:50 hi, can you format MyDocs to ext3 or something? Apr 13 10:14:53 is it safe to do that? Apr 13 10:15:15 you have to modify mmc-mount for that Apr 13 10:15:20 and it will break when you update. Apr 13 10:15:38 so, use the definition of 'safe' you like better. :) Apr 13 10:16:21 lol ok Apr 13 10:16:29 thanks. Apr 13 10:17:47 I shrunk mydocs to 4g and put another ext3 partition in the space Apr 13 10:20:26 I am bzip2-tarring my ~user Apr 13 10:20:36 1.3GB so far... excluding some movies and my mp3 Apr 13 10:20:41 s/mp3/mp3s Apr 13 10:21:05 so I can do more audacious stunts with my N900. Apr 13 10:22:59 cool, good ideas thank! Apr 13 10:25:26 what is mounting memory card? Apr 13 10:29:23 jacekowski: Unix jargon for assigning a mount point (a directory) for some drive/partition and making it available Apr 13 10:31:12 hello everyone. I am new to linux and just got my n900. I plugged in the USB cable, it asked me if I wanted to go into MASS STORAGE MODE, I said yes. Then I copied some files over, now I unmounted the device off linux pc, but how do I get the phone to "get out of MASS STORAGE MODE?" it's still showing USB Connected - Mass Storage Mode and I donm't want to just unplug it if there's something I can do to turn off mass storage mode on the n900 Apr 13 10:32:24 pretty sure you need to unplug it Apr 13 10:32:49 Eject the USB device? Apr 13 10:34:08 no, ejecting does not do anything Apr 13 10:34:11 you need to re-plug Apr 13 10:34:15 there is a ticket for that Apr 13 10:34:25 sECuRE: thanks Apr 13 10:34:26 why RE-PLUG it? Apr 13 10:34:33 He wants to turn off mass storage mode. Apr 13 10:34:53 Didn't say he wants it back on or in a different mode. Apr 13 10:36:23 TigerTael: I figured I just unplug it and see. It's just I'm used to the G1 that used to ask you to get into some kind of usb storage mode, and when you were done you would go back and turn off the storage mode to be on the safe side. I guess n900 doesn't have that, you just unplug it once the n900 is unmounted from your connected pc. Apr 13 10:36:59 the umount should flush any write cache Apr 13 10:37:17 pupnik: k, thanks. just wasn't sure, still new to this n900 but I already love it :D Apr 13 10:37:48 cool Apr 13 10:38:19 noobn900, one question - are you, or have you ever been a monkey? Apr 13 10:38:35 lcuk: monkey? Apr 13 10:38:48 lcuk: lol ;) Apr 13 10:39:37 its ok noobn900 :) theres a noobmonkey who comes in with his n900 ;) Apr 13 10:40:50 lcuk: oh haha. I didn't know what nick to pick when entering this channel. I'm sure I'll be registering myself on maemo.org and on freenode soon to be a regular idler though Apr 13 10:41:32 hehe Apr 13 10:41:42 yea thats noovmonkey Apr 13 10:41:45 im sorry, you cannot idle Apr 13 10:41:50 noobmonkey Apr 13 10:41:51 space core directive 397 states Apr 13 10:42:00 any n00b must pull his weight Apr 13 10:42:33 how about that? :) Apr 13 10:43:20 hm, that just looks wrong ...aka "no babe" (+typo?!) Apr 13 10:43:20 * lcuk wanders off back to work muttering something derogatory about irc ;) Apr 13 10:43:22 * pupnik lcuk will let us know when he thinks it is time :) Apr 13 10:43:47 time for? Apr 13 10:43:50 anyways, good night ya'll. Thanks again for the pointers. Off to play some more with the n900 Apr 13 10:43:57 cheers have fun noobape Apr 13 11:01:53 * DocScrutinizer grumbles Apr 13 11:02:10 moo Apr 13 11:02:27 remoo Apr 13 11:02:50 know I'm late on the 'paper' :-(( Apr 13 11:02:57 no remoorse Apr 13 11:03:56 ""Dear cutomer. Your device needs a send-in to Nokia for further processing"" >:-( Apr 13 11:04:47 Oops Apr 13 11:05:07 anyone knows how to clear the dhcp cache ? Apr 13 11:05:21 so prepare for at least another two weeks of a evil-mooded DocScrutinizer Apr 13 11:05:22 i.e. I want the device to get another ip Apr 13 11:06:05 run "dhclient" from cli as root? Apr 13 11:06:27 bilboed-pi: What are you using for a dhcp server? Apr 13 11:06:31 DocScrutinizer: what are you writing Apr 13 11:06:37 derf, no idea Apr 13 11:06:51 derf, I'm talking about client side Apr 13 11:07:00 bilboed-pi: that'S rather tricky, as DHCP-servers tend to keep IPs for MACs Apr 13 11:07:05 fuck Apr 13 11:07:47 not the internets' DHCP servers though Apr 13 11:08:10 but your router for sure does Apr 13 11:08:35 you should be able to try to get a new ip tho - bilboed-pi what do you need a new one for? Apr 13 11:08:41 have you used all the bits on your current one? Apr 13 11:08:56 lol Apr 13 11:09:14 :D Apr 13 11:09:19 lcuk, no, it's just that sip is so much fail with this phone... that it didn't close the previous connection Apr 13 11:09:31 lcuk, ending up with... still receiving the incoming udp/rtp stuff Apr 13 11:09:34 for DSL / GPRS/3G oit's as simple as relogin Apr 13 11:10:08 muhahahaha Apr 13 11:10:56 bilboed-pi: that should stop in max 5min Apr 13 11:11:04 rather 2 minutes Apr 13 11:11:08 nope Apr 13 11:11:12 it's been over an hour Apr 13 11:11:19 o.O Apr 13 11:11:24 rogue far end Apr 13 11:12:47 I don't even understand why it's allowing the two udp connections Apr 13 11:12:49 andway I gather it's about a public IP then. Just tear down and re-establish the connection to the internets Apr 13 11:12:51 why can't it just kick it out Apr 13 11:13:03 DocScrutinizer, I can't tear it down, company internet Apr 13 11:13:10 ouch Apr 13 11:13:21 raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh Apr 13 11:13:23 udp == connectionless Apr 13 11:13:32 lcuk, you still get the point Apr 13 11:14:00 lcuk: yep, but you'd get a new DHCP-lease Apr 13 11:14:42 bilboed-pi: so I take it you're behind a NAT Apr 13 11:14:50 yup Apr 13 11:14:51 moorning Apr 13 11:14:53 i can see why bilboed-pi wants to change ip, but the problem is in whatever server is trying to continuously push data to a machine thats not even acking Apr 13 11:15:16 Wee, hooray for backed-up Delta. Apr 13 11:15:20 Direct flight my ass. Apr 13 11:15:23 hmm, inbound UDP keeps the NAT sesssion alive Apr 13 11:15:30 lcuk, I don't get why when calling again... it doesn't instruct the server to drop the other connection Apr 13 11:15:42 s/it/SIP/ Apr 13 11:15:43 bilboed-pi meant: lcuk, I don't get why when calling again... SIP doesn't instruct the server to drop the other connection Apr 13 11:16:36 bilboed-pi: A SIP-conversation is bound to a unique ID, you can't cancel it by initiating a second conversation Apr 13 11:16:55 GAN900: flying to san francisco? Apr 13 11:16:58 * bilboed-pi still doesn't get why it stays up for so long Apr 13 11:17:08 Yeah Apr 13 11:17:22 enjoy! :) Apr 13 11:17:51 bilboed-pi: technically it's not the SIP registrar or SIP-server that's spamming you, but the peer (probably gateway) Apr 13 11:18:08 there's very little the registrar can do about it Apr 13 11:18:18 gah :( Apr 13 11:18:56 DocScrutinizer, but since I'm calling a landline... the gateway's owned by the SIP operator I guess Apr 13 11:19:18 yep, usually. still separate entities Apr 13 11:19:33 bilboed-pi, silly question, did the person on the other end of hte landline hang up Apr 13 11:19:47 lcuk, I'm dialling into a conference server Apr 13 11:19:53 lcuk, so it'll act dumb as shit forever Apr 13 11:19:59 javispedro, hopefully, connecting in the most obnoxiously distant location possible for this flight Apr 13 11:20:08 lcuk, looking through my logs it looks like those connections stay up 2 hours Apr 13 11:20:09 :) Apr 13 11:20:25 hope some of the slides will be up after the event Apr 13 11:20:57 bilboed-pi: out of luck Apr 13 11:21:06 Seat request Apr 13 11:21:15 * GAN900 shakes fist at Kaleva. Apr 13 11:21:21 :O Apr 13 11:22:00 is this some kind of greeting? Apr 13 11:22:03 your client failed to tear down the connection correctly, now you probably lost the call 'handle'. Instruct conference telco provider to nuke the conference Apr 13 11:22:08 bilboed-pi, eep Apr 13 11:23:56 bilboed-pi: or disconnect your PC from ethernet (or shut down) for some minutes, until your company's NAT decides to drop the session Apr 13 11:24:25 DocScrutinizer, .... maybe I wasn't clear at the beginning Apr 13 11:24:33 my n900 is asking me for the WEP key for my 802.11 network, but it's a WPA network Apr 13 11:24:34 DocScrutinizer, I'm using the n900 Apr 13 11:24:37 anyone else had this? Apr 13 11:25:15 have you tried giving it the key? Apr 13 11:25:35 nid0: yes, it quite reasonably complains that it isn't the right length for a WEP key Apr 13 11:25:59 bilboed-pi: N900 is a subclass of PC anyway Apr 13 11:26:39 beats me then, i've never had any problems with wpa access Apr 13 11:26:57 if i connect manually using xterm, will it recognise that it's supposed to use it as its internet connection? Apr 13 11:26:57 bilboed-pi: switch to 'flight-mode' for 10 minutes. Might cure it Apr 13 11:27:16 I hate to ask, but.. did you point at the wrong network? Apr 13 11:27:50 koala_man: thanks, i'll do it again carefully Apr 13 11:28:42 there's fuckedup AP out there, that do 'dual mode' allowing WEP *plus* WPA un same SSID and network Apr 13 11:29:35 DocScrutinizer: ook, is that what "mixed" might mean on the router? Apr 13 11:29:46 YES ;-P Apr 13 11:29:57 DocScrutinizer: actually, not sure that's what it means Apr 13 11:30:04 nice idea, but routers that do that really should provide two ssid's Apr 13 11:30:07 DocScrutinizer: options are disabled, mixed, b-only, g-only Apr 13 11:30:13 ah different Apr 13 11:30:19 thats just transmission modes Apr 13 11:30:24 nothing to do with the security in use Apr 13 11:30:25 ooh, so that's another mixed Apr 13 11:30:26 i know, different 802.11 standards Apr 13 11:30:34 still, might unconfuse something Apr 13 11:30:37 GAN900: facepalm on this ;) : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=607875#post607875 Apr 13 11:31:07 the only time you might get confusion from transmission modes is if you have an -n capable router broadcasting on both 2.4 and 5ghz Apr 13 11:31:17 but even then the security method in use would be unrelated Apr 13 11:31:37 javispedro, yeah, I did. . . . Apr 13 11:32:03 and this is why we shouldn't use such attractive topic tiles :P Apr 13 11:32:25 nah, changing wireless standards doesn't make it recognise the WPA network Apr 13 11:32:35 maybe "request" would've been a more appropriate word. Apr 13 11:32:53 turn off WEP? Apr 13 11:33:51 javispedro: how do you get the nice links pointing to a particular post in the whole thread?? Apr 13 11:34:00 TigerTael: how do you mean? Apr 13 11:34:06 TigerTael: the router doesn't do WEP Apr 13 11:34:15 DocScrutinizer: the link under the post number Apr 13 11:34:16 top right Apr 13 11:34:23 aah Apr 13 11:34:24 it's doing WPA personal with TKIP Apr 13 11:34:41 well, it can do wep, but certainly isn't Apr 13 11:35:03 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but that link goes directly to post instead of thread; replace showpost with showthread and add # and done. Apr 13 11:35:09 if i just set up the network connection manually, will it know to use it as an internet connection? Apr 13 11:35:19 just a minor thought, is the router set to wpa or wpa2? Apr 13 11:35:26 DocScrutinizer: (or grab the full thread link from the single post view) Apr 13 11:35:36 nid0: that's odd, it's set to wpa Apr 13 11:35:40 javispedro: pfffuh, thought I'm losing my force Apr 13 11:35:44 who's done some graphical app with python here? Apr 13 11:35:55 nid0: i don't know why that should be; but perhaps somebody had an obsolete laptop a while ago Apr 13 11:35:56 LOL Apr 13 11:35:59 LOLOLOL Apr 13 11:36:01 they certainly don't now Apr 13 11:36:07 ptl: once more and you get kicked Apr 13 11:36:09 best facepalm yet in TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49869&page=2 Apr 13 11:36:10 for the sake of trying, give wpa2 a try? I havent personally used wpa on my n900, every router I connect to's wpa2 Apr 13 11:36:15 huh? Apr 13 11:36:21 I was laughing from the TMO thread, crashanddie Apr 13 11:36:40 nid0: thanks a lot! Apr 13 11:37:02 the guy confused the arrow for leaving fullscreen with the arrow for enabling mouse mode. Apr 13 11:37:05 nid0: that makes a lot of sense; i can't see why they'd put a great deal of testing into that Apr 13 11:37:14 that actually fixed it? Apr 13 11:37:24 GeneralAntilles: around? Apr 13 11:37:25 nid0: oh yes, i remember now - somebody had a stupid stupid laptop a few years ago taht wouldn't do wpa2 Apr 13 11:37:27 nid0: yeah Apr 13 11:37:30 well, it says it did Apr 13 11:37:31 hum Apr 13 11:37:53 if it works fine with the router in wpa2 but not in wpa, i'd suggest filing a bug report, just so it's at least known about Apr 13 11:38:14 though as you say wpa isnt used much any more so it probably never got tested properly to begin with Apr 13 11:38:22 ptl: pr1.2 out+0 Apr 13 11:38:34 uh, maemo won't let me 'ping' as a normal user/ Apr 13 11:38:42 guess i'll have to use a web browser or something Apr 13 11:38:42 BCMM: yes, that's normal Apr 13 11:38:59 oh wow, internet Apr 13 11:39:09 (it just arrived today) Apr 13 11:39:28 any idea if it's normal that i can't connect to the internet via 3g yet? Apr 13 11:39:55 if your sim's active you shouldnt have problems Apr 13 11:40:03 nid0: well, i made a phone call Apr 13 11:40:18 they are supposed to be moving my old number over though, and i don't think they've done that yet Apr 13 11:40:24 BCMM, some ISPs internet connection settings may be incorrect Apr 13 11:40:27 meh, perhaps there is just no reception here Apr 13 11:40:36 speak with the service provider about correct settings Apr 13 11:40:51 any idea how to tell the difference between poor signal and just plain not working with the network? Apr 13 11:41:08 if you have signal and the connection icon just constantly flashes Apr 13 11:41:10 BCMM: you need any kind of dataplan for your SIM, plus correct APN settings Apr 13 11:41:13 BCMM: poor signal: takes a long time to load, not working: doesn't load Apr 13 11:41:16 its probably a connection settings fault Apr 13 11:41:34 DocScrutinizer: yeah, supposed to have an 'unlimited' data plan Apr 13 11:41:39 (scare quotes intended) Apr 13 11:41:57 BCMM: carrier? Apr 13 11:42:06 DocScrutinizer: t-mobile Apr 13 11:42:14 country? Apr 13 11:42:42 crashanddie_: UK Apr 13 11:44:04 anybody on UK t-mobile please psot the APN settings? Apr 13 11:44:27 DocScrutinizer: there's a huge list of them if you google it Apr 13 11:45:35 asj: the idea of IRC partially is to help noobs with direct help, rather than telling them 'try the 5k hits in google - well, probably 90% are BS or don't apply to your case" Apr 13 11:46:13 DocScrutinizer: wow, now that makes me want to help you now doesn't it? :) Apr 13 11:46:24 help ME?? Apr 13 11:46:37 I'll consider to help YOU pal ;-P Apr 13 11:46:38 DocScrutinizer: may as it be for you, the other 90% of IRC is to make fun of noobs who come here and ask questions that have 5000 answers on Google Apr 13 11:46:57 while the other 10% solves your problem Apr 13 11:47:10 koala_man: 6% Apr 13 11:47:18 asj: 3% Apr 13 11:47:32 c'mon doc, say 1%, full circle! Apr 13 11:47:43 koala_man: the other 3% give wrong answers, and 1% give you answers that destroy your system Apr 13 11:48:02 BCMM: install maemo-devel and install Qt 4.6 Apr 13 11:48:08 still better than a lot of irc channels Apr 13 11:48:08 will solve all your problems Apr 13 11:48:52 BCMM: it will even make your kids smell nice without them taking a bath. Heck, you'll smell nice without taking a shower. Apr 13 11:49:15 BCMM: sorry for the fools here, please come back when they finished their silly hour :-) Apr 13 11:49:43 /kick DocScrutinizer stop being such a buzzkill Apr 13 11:49:43 DocScrutinizer: when is that exactly? :) Apr 13 11:50:48 asj: when DocScrutinizer isn't around :P Apr 13 11:53:22 man he ain't coming back Apr 13 11:53:39 do we all need to /invite him back? Apr 13 11:53:44 you can't Apr 13 11:53:51 I'm always with you Apr 13 11:54:13 Check for stigmata. Apr 13 11:54:15 not _always_ Apr 13 11:56:26 very refreshing. I'd recommend this to everybody feeling pissed by IRC ;-P Apr 13 11:56:38 < DocScrutinizer> asj: the idea of IRC partially is to help noobs with direct help. Apr 13 11:56:52 true Apr 13 11:57:01 pupnik: are you mocking him or me? :) Apr 13 11:57:13 he mocks himself Apr 13 11:57:15 neither Apr 13 11:57:16 me of ourse Apr 13 11:57:18 as I was saying Apr 13 11:57:28 pupnik is one of the rare auto-flagelating people on the planet Apr 13 11:57:29 Scelt: no PR1.2, but thanks for the joke anyway :) Apr 13 11:57:33 before him, we had jesus Apr 13 11:57:36 ptl: :-D Apr 13 11:58:08 ptl: I can give you the opper power, if you wish to avenge yourself on Scelt Apr 13 11:58:14 too late Apr 13 11:58:25 crashanddie_: lol Apr 13 11:58:29 dman, you've never seen those muslim mass madness? Apr 13 11:58:43 sounds like a video game Apr 13 11:58:53 :)) Apr 13 11:58:54 thanks :) Apr 13 11:58:55 ptl: you're not kick enough Apr 13 11:59:05 (hehe, saw what I did there?) Apr 13 11:59:09 wordplay on kick and quick Apr 13 11:59:12 yup Apr 13 11:59:31 I tried to /deop myself as soon as I've seen the @ but chanserv was faster Apr 13 11:59:48 That'd be interesting Apr 13 11:59:56 if you could do anything in the channel Apr 13 11:59:58 what would it be? Apr 13 11:59:59 truth is, I never kick/ban anyone in channels... I've got quite burned on the notion of exclusion Apr 13 12:00:13 I'd do nothing Apr 13 12:00:13 let's see Apr 13 12:00:24 ptl: nothing would include not deoping yourself Apr 13 12:00:27 I value conversation if it involves trolling sometimes Apr 13 12:00:29 ok Apr 13 12:00:32 I would deop myself Apr 13 12:00:41 as an exception to nothing :P Apr 13 12:00:51 pupnik: what would you do? Apr 13 12:01:08 wwjd? What would Jaffa do? xD Apr 13 12:01:14 What... would Jesus do? Apr 13 12:01:30 Multiply fish and turn water into wine! Apr 13 12:01:42 22:01 op #maemo jesus Apr 13 12:01:42 22:01 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Jesus is not on #maemo. Apr 13 12:01:42 No, no Apr 13 12:01:46 he would do some miracle Apr 13 12:01:46 I mean besides kick ban himself from earth Apr 13 12:01:50 like making PR1.2 be released Apr 13 12:02:44 what's with all the op/deopping? Apr 13 12:02:45 err Apr 13 12:02:45 :P Apr 13 12:03:04 * MohammadAG mass kicks everyone :p Apr 13 12:03:15 no thanks, only people on access list should be added. Apr 13 12:03:20 seriously, don't try to guess the command for that Apr 13 12:03:25 Stskeeps: kick them all! Apr 13 12:03:34 Stskeeps: actually that's not true Apr 13 12:03:41 HA HA BITCHES STSKEEPS WAS QUICKER AT DEOPPING HIMSELF THEN YOU AT DEOPPING HIM Apr 13 12:03:42 hmm, does the map thing do directions? Apr 13 12:03:51 Termana: actually, no one was trying Apr 13 12:03:53 it does Apr 13 12:04:11 crashanddie_: Don't lie, you know you were typing the next command as fast as you could Apr 13 12:04:14 Stskeeps: it's perfectly best practice to temporarily op non-AL chan members Apr 13 12:04:20 wired: the option seems "greyed out" to me Apr 13 12:04:25 DocScrutinizer: yes, but is the threat level orange? Apr 13 12:04:25 :P Apr 13 12:04:33 actually he could just press up and enter Termana Apr 13 12:04:34 also [[Warning: CAPSLOCK from Termana@#maemo]] Apr 13 12:04:42 lol Apr 13 12:04:50 .. Apr 13 12:04:51 BCMM: hmm maybe it depends on your location - it works in athens :) Apr 13 12:04:59 * Stskeeps sighs and goes back to doing work Apr 13 12:05:08 wired: there are three options at the bottom of ovi maps, places - routing - directions Apr 13 12:05:14 directions is greyed-out Apr 13 12:05:16 Stskeeps: seems yes, crashanddie_ going mad. We need all the joint effort of the whole chan to get him back on rail ;-P Apr 13 12:05:20 Stskeeps: you can't do anything permanent really as far as I'm aware Apr 13 12:05:21 so.. why's #maemo err different today Apr 13 12:05:37 MohammadAG: I didn't take my pills Apr 13 12:05:37 DocScrutinizer: 'going'? Apr 13 12:05:38 :P Apr 13 12:05:44 LOL Apr 13 12:06:00 actually, that is a good question, what happens if you ban me DocScrutinizer? Apr 13 12:06:08 let's not go there.. Apr 13 12:06:08 :P Apr 13 12:06:12 DocScrutinizer: I can't CS my way out of it Apr 13 12:06:14 you can unban yourself Apr 13 12:06:17 crashanddie_: Question, do you ever take your pills? Apr 13 12:06:18 crashanddie_: nuttin Apr 13 12:06:24 hmm, what IRC client do you guys use on your phones? Apr 13 12:06:25 BCMM: use the routing option first Apr 13 12:06:29 and is there one in teh default install Apr 13 12:06:36 BCMM: i use xchat Apr 13 12:06:45 crashanddie_: you can't ban AL-members Apr 13 12:06:48 BCMM: xchat Apr 13 12:06:50 BCMM: x-chat and irssi, tuned for connecting to my irssi proxy running on my personal server Apr 13 12:06:55 DocScrutinizer: sure you can :P Apr 13 12:07:00 DocScrutinizer: try Apr 13 12:07:01 wired: hmm, internet suggests they charge for directions... Apr 13 12:07:04 DocScrutinizer: it is fairly easy to unwind though Apr 13 12:07:06 crashanddie_, you just /cs unban #channel yourself Apr 13 12:07:06 crashanddie_: well, you can, but doesn't help Apr 13 12:07:11 BCMM: there's also kvirc compiled for the N900, but it's not in the repositories and I've never tried it Apr 13 12:07:12 ah. a war! Apr 13 12:07:13 xchat over znc on my n900 and irssi on all my other systems Apr 13 12:07:29 BCMM, the N900 doesn't currently have turn-by-turn navigation... Apr 13 12:07:36 BCMM: the service is free, the data isn't Apr 13 12:07:38 TigerTael: it has on Sygic Apr 13 12:07:39 javispedro: a sad show of epenis'es Apr 13 12:07:47 But Nokia have recently given all their GPS/map products free turn-by-turn... Apr 13 12:07:47 Stskeeps: lol Apr 13 12:07:49 ptl, that's not nokia. Apr 13 12:07:52 unless you're on wifi or a pretty dataplan :) Apr 13 12:07:58 lol... /cs clear #maemo users ->> Kicks all users from a channel. Apr 13 12:08:05 BCMM, but the N900 map application has yet to be updated. Apr 13 12:08:06 TigerTael: ah, so i will get a line on the map like google maps, not "left here right here" like a garmin? Apr 13 12:08:11 TigerTael: it isn't, but runs on the N900 Apr 13 12:08:14 BCMM, correct. Apr 13 12:08:15 I think the procedure is you'll op yourself via cs, and ops won't suffer from bans Apr 13 12:08:21 crashanddie_, so does /mkick :) Apr 13 12:08:30 ptl, I know, but Nokia is supposedly letting users have turn-by-turn for free now. Apr 13 12:08:35 Only not on our N900's. Apr 13 12:08:41 MohammadAG: isn't that client-based? Apr 13 12:08:42 DocScrutinizer, if an op is banned he can't join Apr 13 12:08:47 till he's unbanned Apr 13 12:08:57 TigerTael: have a little patience Apr 13 12:09:01 DocScrutinizer: I believe you can get ChanServ to do auto unbanning if your on ChanServ's access list Apr 13 12:09:04 crashanddie_, not sure, never tried it except in a 2 user channel Apr 13 12:09:05 ptl, I AM HAVING LOTS OF PATIENCE. Apr 13 12:09:07 :) Apr 13 12:09:08 err... he probably still has me on ignore :P Apr 13 12:09:12 lol Apr 13 12:09:18 ptl, BCMM was asking, not me. Apr 13 12:09:20 Termana, I said the command :) Apr 13 12:09:20 MohammadAG: not sure bout that. AIUI /cs unban is something different to a normal ban Apr 13 12:09:22 I was merely stating the fact. Apr 13 12:09:32 MohammadAG: interesting to see that /cs help doesn't list unban, however it replies to it Apr 13 12:09:37 Termana: who has you on ignore? Apr 13 12:09:38 DocScrutinizer, it unbans Apr 13 12:09:46 crashanddie_: DocScrutinizer Apr 13 12:09:49 DocScrutinizer, ban crashanddie :) Apr 13 12:09:54 DocScrutinizer: unignore Termana Apr 13 12:10:13 I did try to say sorry to him, but he called that spam Apr 13 12:10:21 why? Apr 13 12:10:36 because you're an op, you're not allowed to ignore people for more than an hour Apr 13 12:10:42 lol Apr 13 12:10:46 nobody drops off my ignore list. All ever made it there deserved it Apr 13 12:10:47 lol Apr 13 12:10:48 if he starts being annoying again, you need to be aware of it to take action Apr 13 12:10:48 lmao Apr 13 12:11:07 then ignore only its private messages Apr 13 12:11:09 he has a point :p Apr 13 12:11:11 you can do that Apr 13 12:11:16 *his/her Apr 13 12:11:25 /its* Apr 13 12:11:26 ptl: Oh thats nice, no I'm "its" :P Apr 13 12:11:28 :P Apr 13 12:11:31 now* Apr 13 12:11:32 crashanddie_: we got you for such duties :-P Apr 13 12:11:43 why the fuck are we keeping you then? Apr 13 12:11:51 :-P Apr 13 12:11:56 because at this rate, people just need to piss you off, and then they can troll the whole channel without repercussion Apr 13 12:12:13 don't we have anything better to discuss, like bacon? Apr 13 12:12:13 :P Apr 13 12:12:14 like lolololing in all caps or worse, trolololing Apr 13 12:12:16 recruit moar ops Apr 13 12:12:20 k, you're right Apr 13 12:12:25 or bitching about PR1.2 (notice the caps) Apr 13 12:12:54 ptl, or overclocking :P Apr 13 12:13:00 * MohammadAG waits for it... Apr 13 12:13:11 [2010-04-13 14:13:01] [Ignorieren] Termana!* von der Ignorieren-Liste entfernt. Apr 13 12:13:11 MohammadAG: oh no, now you'll be banned Apr 13 12:13:26 why would an op /ignore? Apr 13 12:13:33 * wired runs his n900 @2.6ghz Apr 13 12:13:35 isn't that what devoicing is for? ;) Apr 13 12:13:39 because an op is also an user? Apr 13 12:13:41 ptl, i've been hearing about that for some time Apr 13 12:13:43 wired: both cores? Apr 13 12:13:44 anyway, MohammadAG & DocScrutinizer, fwiw: /cs clear #maemo bans and /cs akick are your friends in case of chan takeover Apr 13 12:13:53 BCMM, channel is -m Apr 13 12:13:55 Treibholz: you mean all three Apr 13 12:14:06 its tri-core =] Apr 13 12:14:09 yeah, and /cs recover Apr 13 12:14:17 BCMM: the channel isn't moderated, nobody has a voice in here (except infobot, but he's special) Apr 13 12:14:27 wired: well, if you count the FPU... Apr 13 12:14:37 -ChanServ- Unknown command recover. "/msg ChanServ HELP" for help. Apr 13 12:14:56 well, thanks for all the help Apr 13 12:15:04 i should eat lunch now Apr 13 12:15:10 I'm going to grab dinner Apr 13 12:15:12 * MohammadAG hates how no one's +q Apr 13 12:15:31 MohammadAG: people without a username are +q'd Apr 13 12:15:31 Don't discuss overclocking. Thats what started the whole thing that got me onto Doc's ignore list :P Apr 13 12:15:48 [2010-04-13 14:09:46] [Notice] -ChanServ- RECOVER Regain control of your channel. Apr 13 12:15:52 wired, I run mine at 4ghz in ln2. Apr 13 12:16:04 crashanddie_, without a username? Apr 13 12:16:07 hard to use the touchscreen though. Apr 13 12:16:13 MohammadAG: not registered Apr 13 12:16:15 MohammadAG: not registered with nickserv Apr 13 12:16:31 that's not +q... Apr 13 12:16:36 +q is channel owner Apr 13 12:16:46 Difference between channel modes and user modes? Apr 13 12:17:09 MohammadAG: lol Apr 13 12:17:21 there, channel owner? Apr 13 12:17:25 nice Apr 13 12:17:35 anyway the +q~A option is considered a real PITA and for emergeny threat handling only Apr 13 12:17:46 IRCD differences. Apr 13 12:17:55 DocScrutinizer: nha it's fine Apr 13 12:18:15 DocScrutinizer: you can use ban exemptions if people need it Apr 13 12:18:24 or invites Apr 13 12:18:28 * Stskeeps ponders if there was a reason for that +q that couldn't be solved with a '+q is for silencing masks here' statement. Apr 13 12:18:29 hmm, +q is channel owner on the server i'm on Apr 13 12:18:36 MohammadAG, different IRCD Apr 13 12:18:47 no it's not, as it breaks all sorts of autojoin/autoregister schemes for several clients, by blocking nick changes Apr 13 12:18:56 TigerTael, explains a lot then.. Apr 13 12:19:21 DocScrutinizer: autojoin/auto nick changes are the pita Apr 13 12:20:00 who cares whether you use your real nickname or not? If it's automatic, it means you're not in front of the computer anyway Apr 13 12:20:22 I like watching automation. :D Apr 13 12:20:54 I'd rather block on auto script every 6 months, or see a poor guy have to register before he can talk rather than having some bots join and spam/DCC disconnect people Apr 13 12:21:15 TigerTael: invites don't work on +q AFAIK Apr 13 12:21:31 crashanddie, oh, sorry, not familiar with IRCD seven. Apr 13 12:22:15 well, we've not seen many of such attacks since ircd7 migration. And this chan is -q~A for a long time now (like all the chan I'm op in) Apr 13 12:22:44 TigerTael: +q prevents talking and changing nicks, but people can still join Apr 13 12:23:11 * MohammadAG has autorejoin :) Apr 13 12:23:17 so if you want to exempt someone, you need to +e hostmask them Apr 13 12:23:18 and this isn't a hinderance to people joining in the conversation how? does the mode tell them to register? Apr 13 12:23:21 :P Apr 13 12:23:26 ie, with full instructions Apr 13 12:23:28 Stskeeps: no, but the topic does Apr 13 12:23:37 no, it doesn't Apr 13 12:23:44 it says 'register'. Apr 13 12:23:54 if you're going to do it right, at least refer to a guide on how to do it. Apr 13 12:24:11 yeah, o2 has problem with jogglers Apr 13 12:24:14 nothing in stock Apr 13 12:24:44 http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration would be a good one. Apr 13 12:24:53 good idea Apr 13 12:25:11 Ufff Apr 13 12:25:22 It's common policy (and obviously also this channel's policy) NOT to have +q~A by default. So the whole heritage from pre-ircd7 times with those massive spam attacts is moot Apr 13 12:25:43 [14:22] -!- 0 - #maemo: ban #~a!*@* [by Apr 13 12:26:02 NOOO! Apr 13 12:26:07 what the hell are you doing? Apr 13 12:26:32 and topic would make more sense with | Can't talk? Register - see http://bit.ly/1MtzU on how to. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R Apr 13 12:26:45 Stskeeps: yeah, chanserv failed on that one Apr 13 12:26:51 blame the tool Apr 13 12:26:51 :P Apr 13 12:26:58 hey, I'm just a worker Apr 13 12:27:00 crashanddie_: join message? Apr 13 12:27:01 of course it's the tool Apr 13 12:27:16 the topic is too long. Apr 13 12:27:25 NOBODY will read it. Apr 13 12:27:25 MohammadAG: The server your on is probably an UnrealIRCD or Inspire IRCd server, both of which have +q as channel owner (i believe, though I'm not sure +q channel owner mode got merged into the main unrealircd project) Apr 13 12:27:26 Stskeeps: ^^? Apr 13 12:27:26 I realize that looks like some stupid japanese anime smiley Apr 13 12:27:34 well, nobody that SHOULD've read it would read it. Apr 13 12:27:36 Unreal Apr 13 12:27:37 damn it lag Apr 13 12:27:47 Termana: +q is inheritance from EliteIRCd Apr 13 12:28:19 the whole topic doesn't need this naggedynag as we don't need +q~A either, and we don't have it and I hope crashanddie_ isn't going to enable it once again - it's not the way this chan has been for 99% of the time and there's been no agreement on changing that Apr 13 12:28:39 crashanddie_: revert that please! Apr 13 12:28:45 Stskeeps: A lot of UnrealIRCD builds had +q for channel owner in them (as well as +a), did those end up making it into the main unrealircd project? (or you don't know?) Apr 13 12:28:50 DocScrutinizer: why? Apr 13 12:28:58 Oh nevermind, i see Apr 13 12:29:09 Termana: it came from unreal itself Apr 13 12:29:10 why you've done it first place?? Apr 13 12:29:13 Termana, actually +a is just more perms than +o, it's not channel owner :) Apr 13 12:29:14 Was there a compile time switch to turn off the modes or something? Apr 13 12:29:15 DocScrutinizer: I removed it Apr 13 12:29:27 DocScrutinizer: it was a typo from a couple of months ago Apr 13 12:29:30 * MohammadAG requests a kick Apr 13 12:29:44 nah, crashanddie_ you're wrong Apr 13 12:29:48 cool, i got kicked on #maemo Apr 13 12:29:54 * MohammadAG takes a screenshot Apr 13 12:30:00 it's been you who enabled it first instance Apr 13 12:30:02 submit complaint? :P Apr 13 12:30:05 DocScrutinizer: 22:27 0 - #maemo: ban #~a!*@* [by crashanddie!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie, 5704074 secs ago] Apr 13 12:30:20 MohammadAG's IRC client is now officially bitchin with auto-join Apr 13 12:30:26 DocScrutinizer: #~a doesn't match anything Apr 13 12:30:34 DocScrutinizer: it's $~a Apr 13 12:30:51 Termana, it's xchat Apr 13 12:30:53 I'm just cleaning up the crap Apr 13 12:31:36 Termana, i can say how to enable it Apr 13 12:31:39 hey, does porting an app require approval by the original app writer? Apr 13 12:31:41 crashanddie_: it's always been you who enabled that option. As stated above the channel was set up to allow unregistered users for 99% of time, for the last 9 months Apr 13 12:31:44 but that might piss someone off Apr 13 12:31:56 tgalal, not that I know of Apr 13 12:32:01 DocScrutinizer: it didn't actually work, fwiw Apr 13 12:32:04 DocScrutinizer: #~a had no effect mate Apr 13 12:32:26 DocScrutinizer: I added it one day when some troll came around, but typoed, he got killed from the network, and I couldn't be bothered to remove it Apr 13 12:32:53 DocScrutinizer: in other words: the channel was always available even to unregistered users Apr 13 12:33:13 i vote for avaliability Apr 13 12:33:56 it was just at some point Freenode was really hit pretty bad by spammers and trolls, and btw, you're an op as much as I am, so you're free to remove anything I do ;) Apr 13 12:34:21 days like this make me proud about being ignorant about the irc protocol Apr 13 12:34:28 Yes, put something back that has no effect DocScrutinizer Apr 13 12:34:42 javispedro: ah yes, our geek badge is completely shiny now Apr 13 12:34:47 crashanddie_: nevermind, I need glasses. not noticed the MINUS leading the "q *!*@*" Apr 13 12:35:05 lol Apr 13 12:35:06 thought you'd "+" it Apr 13 12:35:42 anyway, going to grab a sandwich for dinner, later all Apr 13 12:35:54 * MohammadAG remembers when someone klined *@* Apr 13 12:36:08 going to prepare a coffee to kickstart other half of my brain Apr 13 12:36:11 had to reboot the server Apr 13 12:36:20 lol Apr 13 12:36:35 sysadmins have made much bigger mistakes than that ;) Apr 13 12:36:52 /gline *@* ? ;) Apr 13 12:36:53 yeah, like typing "rm -fr /" on a production server at BT Apr 13 12:37:07 or shun *@* Apr 13 12:37:08 hmm, like formating the wrong partition on a huge productive system :-S Apr 13 12:37:09 oh wait Apr 13 12:37:11 * DocScrutinizer hides Apr 13 12:37:16 that can be worked around Apr 13 12:37:30 didn't press enter, just told the guy "You shouldn't leave a root console unprotected buddy!" Apr 13 12:37:39 DocScrutinizer: akin to what a tech did at flexiscale 2 years ago Apr 13 12:37:41 He was so pissed off, in his hurry to hit backspace, he hit enter Apr 13 12:37:55 wasnt a partition on "a production system", was the entire storage array for an entire cloud platform Apr 13 12:38:10 yeeeha Apr 13 12:41:43 crashanddie, aha... Apr 13 12:41:50 crashanddie, but ctrl+c/x ? Apr 13 12:42:03 well, there should be no need Apr 13 12:42:15 unless the system was ancient or had --preserve-root intentionally disabled Apr 13 12:42:21 rm -rf / would do nothing anyway Apr 13 12:42:33 mmm Apr 13 12:42:51 nid0: oh it does on mainframe :) Apr 13 12:43:04 I've had no problems using rm-rf / on my desktop servers. Apr 13 12:43:31 though wasn't really bad, without 10 minutes the backup was rolled out and server was up again Apr 13 12:43:48 TigerTael: if it works on any sun/bsd/gnu rm, then it's pre-2005 ish or is gnu with --preserve-root disabled Apr 13 12:44:33 Well, I just use them for testing purposes, so I default install... debian/FreeBSD etc. Apr 13 12:48:31 nid0: (preserve-root) that's what I thought as well Apr 13 12:48:52 nid0: but depends on system flavour Apr 13 12:49:52 not that i test it terribly extensively, but I dont remember the last time I saw a distro that wont preserve root by default any more Apr 13 12:50:13 btw preserve-root doesn't help for rm -rf /* obviously Apr 13 12:50:28 obviously, but it stops root deletes Apr 13 12:50:47 out-of-box debian/ubuntu definately say no Apr 13 12:51:04 root@alex-ubuntu:/# rm -rf / Apr 13 12:51:04 rm: cannot remove root directory `/' Apr 13 12:51:10 probably gnu/linux generally Apr 13 12:51:48 nid0: and /* ? Apr 13 12:51:55 wouldn't take any bet for HP-UX, AIX etc pp Apr 13 12:52:36 Morning Apr 13 12:52:41 X-Fade thatll still undoubtedly kill it, that also takes more than a minor typo ;) Apr 13 12:52:45 andrewfblack: Good morning Apr 13 12:53:01 hi X-Fade :-) Apr 13 12:53:23 preserve-root is pure typo protection, not idiot or asshole protection :_ Apr 13 12:53:49 hi DocScrutinizer Apr 13 12:54:09 AUTH *should* implement idiot/asshole protection ;-P Apr 13 12:54:35 Huawei as one of potential Palm buyers... hehehe Apr 13 12:55:18 hmm, in German we have the term "Wanderpokal" Apr 13 12:56:22 (AUTH) and /etc/sudoers of course Apr 13 12:57:37 poor Palm Apr 13 12:57:48 yau Apr 13 12:57:51 i want goddamn BeOS Apr 13 12:58:02 Palm doesn't own BeOS Apr 13 12:58:35 so what happens if i get highlighted while i,m in another window? Apr 13 12:59:09 BCMM_: this? Apr 13 12:59:40 BCMM_: obviously depends on your irc client and its setup Apr 13 12:59:55 nid0, lol, I thought this was more than just idiot protection we were talking about. Apr 13 13:00:10 docscrutinizer i was in this window... Apr 13 13:00:45 TigerTael no, the whole idea of preserve-root is to prevent rm -rf / path/to/file fuckups Apr 13 13:00:58 BCMM_: xchat highlights the chan tab. And may pop up a notification on N900 Apr 13 13:01:09 do you mind highlightings me again? Apr 13 13:01:13 np Apr 13 13:01:25 BCMM_: highlight Apr 13 13:01:35 BCMM_: highlight2 Apr 13 13:01:37 good good Apr 13 13:01:40 BCMM_: highlight3 Apr 13 13:01:41 thanks Apr 13 13:02:22 so, what does one do for an IMAP client? Apr 13 13:02:46 one uses the one built into the n900 Apr 13 13:02:54 and one wishes they had one that wasnt so awful Apr 13 13:03:01 nid0, lol, never done that in my life. Apr 13 13:03:40 But crashanddie was talking about deliberately typing it... and so was I. Apr 13 13:04:29 well, preserve-root will prevent rm -rf / (on gnu/linux,bsd,solaris) whether it's typed accidentally or deliberately :) Apr 13 13:04:40 TigerTael: the enter-key hit was by accident, according to crashanddie_ Apr 13 13:04:46 "Many modern mail servers support the IMAP Idle feature, which allows your email client to monitor an inbox. Sadly Modest on the N900 has this feature disabled for power reasons." Apr 13 13:04:50 what? Apr 13 13:05:01 so if he appended an asterisk, his story would be A.O.K? Apr 13 13:05:06 is polling every 5 minutes better? Apr 13 13:05:13 Treibholz: maybe, yes. Apr 13 13:05:18 But because he didn't, now the whole story is implausible? Apr 13 13:05:28 TigerTael well, if it was on a unix mainframe then it'd likely as not toast a system anyway, and he did clarify it was Apr 13 13:05:33 SpeedEvil: that's bullshit, It works with XMPP. Apr 13 13:05:34 ola` SpeedEvil :-) Apr 13 13:05:37 how do i tab nicks? Apr 13 13:05:46 iirc the available imap idle algorithm is using polling Apr 13 13:05:48 Treibholz: the cell modem can be very good standby wise, but take a large chunk of power to move one packet Apr 13 13:05:49 nid0, anyways, I don't really care, I just found it an amusing idea. ;] Apr 13 13:06:24 SpeedEvil: I use jabber all the time, so I have a connection open anyway. Apr 13 13:06:25 nid0: what is the imap client called? Apr 13 13:06:39 BCMM_ - the mail client on the n900's Modest Apr 13 13:06:46 Treibholz: there is no good way to notify other apps that there is somethng else using the net though Apr 13 13:07:14 I'm a chinese boy Apr 13 13:07:21 a new friend Apr 13 13:07:24 It would be lovely if you started a browser - and it sent a dbus message 'user initated net activity' Apr 13 13:07:42 that or modest could just give the user the choice to enable imap-idle or not :( Apr 13 13:07:55 So that anything wanting net activty which would have normally kicked off n the next 5 mins goes now Apr 13 13:07:56 sweet, new virtualbox Apr 13 13:07:58 BCMM_: (tab nicks) assign shift-space to nick-completion, in xchat's keybindings Apr 13 13:07:59 mi Apr 13 13:08:03 oops Apr 13 13:08:04 modest is opensource Apr 13 13:08:08 build t yourself. Apr 13 13:08:19 I prefer shift-rightarrow Apr 13 13:08:19 spee Apr 13 13:08:26 oops ag Apr 13 13:08:27 (for tab) Apr 13 13:08:35 CTRL-I Apr 13 13:08:58 javispedro: Palm richly deserves it Apr 13 13:09:19 hmm ok i assumed it was the kernel that fracked things up, but it seems its not Apr 13 13:09:20 RST38h: he's gone. Apr 13 13:09:31 speedevil: not working here Apr 13 13:09:58 BCMM_: you need to setup the keybindings Apr 13 13:10:13 so one thing i install (or a combination of em) makes boot fail Apr 13 13:10:13 So am I, most of the time... Apr 13 13:10:14 ffff Apr 13 13:10:24 God ah, my English is poor performance, are there who can help me? Apr 13 13:11:32 SpeedEvil: (shift-rightarrow) I need that for text markup purposes Apr 13 13:12:01 http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf - if anyone cares. Apr 13 13:12:06 is there copy/paste? Apr 13 13:12:20 BCMM_: you seen my advice above? Apr 13 13:12:33 BCMM_: select wth fingers or pointer - ctrl-c Apr 13 13:13:19 * wired is going to reboot on every single change now until he finds why it explodes Apr 13 13:13:33 BCMM_: see wiki about 'gestures and shortcuts' Apr 13 13:15:11 wired: you smoked up your CPU by overclocking. Now please don't whine about instabilities Apr 13 13:15:35 DocScrutinizer: 1) im not whining 2) i didn't really push it that hard :) Apr 13 13:15:50 I wouldn't mind underclocking/undervolting. Apr 13 13:17:41 the behavior is far from anything oc related :) Apr 13 13:18:25 wired: ok for #1. For #2 I don't see how you're going to proove it didn't do any harm to your CPU, no matter how 'hard you pushed' Apr 13 13:19:40 what about copying in xterm? Apr 13 13:19:57 ctrl c Apr 13 13:20:05 uh Apr 13 13:20:14 didnt work? Apr 13 13:20:19 that just sends sigterm Apr 13 13:20:29 like a normal xterm Apr 13 13:20:37 erm.. need a shift lol Apr 13 13:20:48 and actually you can't predict how a OC-caused CPU wearout will manifest Apr 13 13:21:16 why? we can Apr 13 13:21:25 Most likely with random coredumps. Apr 13 13:21:35 BCMM_: c&p in xterm is via menu Apr 13 13:21:36 hello everybody Apr 13 13:21:49 sup milk Apr 13 13:21:52 thanks do Apr 13 13:21:58 docscrutinizer Apr 13 13:22:01 is there no chance, wo run .jar-files on a maemo-based mobile phone like the nokia n900?? Apr 13 13:22:07 really no chance? Apr 13 13:22:12 cant believe that Apr 13 13:22:13 :-/ Apr 13 13:22:15 ~seen lizardo Apr 13 13:22:18 lizardo <~lizardo@189.2.128.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23h 51m 36s ago, saying: '(C is usually faster in performance)'. Apr 13 13:22:21 install easy debian and try and install java through that Apr 13 13:22:33 if ur brave Apr 13 13:22:35 i dont want to install easy debian... Apr 13 13:22:40 eats to much space Apr 13 13:22:41 :P Apr 13 13:23:00 wired: you are 1st to fuck up his phone by oc Apr 13 13:23:03 congratulations Apr 13 13:23:08 well java works on firefox with easy debian Apr 13 13:23:15 how does it make you feel? Apr 13 13:23:20 not sure if java works outside of that with it but its only thing i now to suggest.. Apr 13 13:23:22 can i download the 2,5 gb debian image? Apr 13 13:23:30 dont want to download it via handy Apr 13 13:23:33 yes u can download it on another computer and usb it Apr 13 13:23:40 is there a simple way to get more command-line stuff Apr 13 13:23:40 where Apr 13 13:23:52 link was on maemo talk Apr 13 13:23:53 if you would build normal java outside of easy debina Apr 13 13:24:01 i mean, bash for example Apr 13 13:24:06 yes? Apr 13 13:24:06 it should work in chromium Apr 13 13:24:11 host would benice too Apr 13 13:24:17 BCMM_: you have bash. Apr 13 13:24:19 BCMM_: bash is in extras-devel repository Apr 13 13:24:22 DocScrutinizer: ok, agreed, it might be damaged. it still doesn't explain why it only fails to boot after i install a few packages (namely, last time it failed to boot after installing rootfs, openssh, catorise, vim and bash3) Apr 13 13:24:23 i have a .jar-file which can be installed Apr 13 13:24:27 marmoute: that's bb Apr 13 13:24:41 im testing now with stock everything (nothing installeD) and it does not fail Apr 13 13:24:54 jacekowski: i doubt it ;) Apr 13 13:25:19 yet Apr 13 13:25:31 docscrutinizer don't know about that yet - have only installed xchat and that was from gui Apr 13 13:25:35 all details are here http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian u can download on another computer and extract on another computer then just transfer the img file to the n900 via usb... Apr 13 13:26:06 jacekowski: bb ? Apr 13 13:26:10 busy box Apr 13 13:26:23 it gives you synaptic... surely you can install java from there.. Apr 13 13:26:27 BCMM_: rootsh is your friend. And apt-get Apr 13 13:26:47 why do people care about java Apr 13 13:27:01 games and bullshit hacking apps for bluetooth Apr 13 13:27:03 BCMM_: but also may turn to be a flase friend, if you don't know what you're doing Apr 13 13:27:29 they mostly want super bluetooth hack to work on there n900 lol Apr 13 13:27:34 okay ech0Asus Apr 13 13:27:43 BenjaminWilk: are you german? handy is used in "that comes handy" but not as mobile or cell expression Apr 13 13:27:51 :P Apr 13 13:27:57 handy = mobile phone Apr 13 13:27:58 ^^ Apr 13 13:28:03 you can hack bluetooth with C Apr 13 13:28:17 "hack bluetooth"? Apr 13 13:28:21 what has this to do with java? Apr 13 13:28:23 handy != mobile phone Apr 13 13:28:36 yes Apr 13 13:28:41 but i meant it Apr 13 13:28:43 BenjaminWilk: that's aGermanism Apr 13 13:28:52 i know... Apr 13 13:28:54 java has crap apps newbs use to tap other phones they have access to Apr 13 13:29:00 Gerlish? :) Apr 13 13:29:02 not really hacking Apr 13 13:29:08 why you use it then in a english speaking channel? Apr 13 13:29:11 more like installing a trojan.. Apr 13 13:29:11 X-Fade: kinda Apr 13 13:29:14 -.- Apr 13 13:29:17 any news for cute explorer and the missing qt libs? Apr 13 13:29:24 still booting... im now really curious to see when it'll fail =] Apr 13 13:29:29 X-Fade: though actually it's a genuine German word Apr 13 13:29:34 by now Apr 13 13:29:45 me when I first heard the n900 won't support java: http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/366444-Lukaeu/444/7/awesome_display.png Apr 13 13:30:05 DocScrutinizer: yeah, we also have some weird words like that (NL). Beamer is another famous one. Apr 13 13:30:15 didnt need java yet.... Apr 13 13:30:19 X-Fade: Germans tend to think it's English, as it sounds like Apr 13 13:31:08 wonder if i can virtual box backtrack on the n900 lol Apr 13 13:31:08 it was only a mistake... Apr 13 13:31:36 ech0Asus: aircrack is enough on N900 Apr 13 13:31:40 bt would be to hard Apr 13 13:32:01 like noone in here knows Dinner for One but german speaking ppl Apr 13 13:32:01 aircrack is locked to chan 6 and has no bt tools Apr 13 13:32:10 yep Apr 13 13:32:18 eh? Apr 13 13:32:24 "Dinner for One" rocks! Apr 13 13:32:29 u can't scan past chan 6 on aircrack on the n900 Apr 13 13:32:30 hey Treibholz Apr 13 13:32:31 i scann aircrack channel 6 - 12 with all tools Apr 13 13:32:32 or under.. Apr 13 13:32:43 i can't... mines locked.. Apr 13 13:32:46 gouverneur: what's wrong with dinner for one? Apr 13 13:32:46 cause if not i wouldnt see my ap Apr 13 13:32:49 how did u unlock it? Apr 13 13:32:50 german production^^ Apr 13 13:32:56 gouverneur: what does it relate to? Apr 13 13:32:56 i didnt -.- Apr 13 13:33:04 i installed with easy debian.. Apr 13 13:33:09 u? Apr 13 13:33:16 you can *scan* waht you like, but you'll get #chan6 results only Apr 13 13:33:16 from repo inside extra devel Apr 13 13:33:24 dinner for one isn't known outside german speaking countries Apr 13 13:33:44 DocScrutinizer?? i can get my ap to be realized in airplay Apr 13 13:33:48 it's got some firmware issue which has monitor mode locked to chan 6.... Apr 13 13:33:51 so if i would be chained to 6 this won be Apr 13 13:34:16 so is the word "handy" for mobile phone, not even swiss use it Apr 13 13:34:17 gouverneur: you mean "table for one" Apr 13 13:34:18 ? Apr 13 13:34:26 no Apr 13 13:34:37 can you pastebin a scan of more then chan 6? Apr 13 13:34:42 we use handy as cellphone replacement here Apr 13 13:34:43 ghostcube: I can't verify with pr1.1.1 atm, but I've seen this chan6 issue myself Apr 13 13:34:49 cause if so then we just need to find out why yours is working like that Apr 13 13:34:53 some months ago Apr 13 13:35:17 ech0Asus: ehm must check this later but i get all traffic from my ap on channel 10 o.O Apr 13 13:35:20 and 12 Apr 13 13:35:35 dinner for one is a newyears comedy act produced in germany and it's done like it is some british one Apr 13 13:35:36 so i dont get it but maybe iam wrong and its on 6 and airplay can see it Apr 13 13:35:41 and what's the channel reported? Apr 13 13:35:44 shouldnt be but who knows Apr 13 13:35:51 i have 30 ap's in range of me, none pick up but chan 6 on my n900 Apr 13 13:35:53 10 and 12 DocScrutinizer Apr 13 13:36:07 strange, nah fine Apr 13 13:36:15 however on my asus that is not issue, i can scan them all Apr 13 13:36:22 hello people Apr 13 13:36:26 gouverneur: uhm... the swiss do use the term "handy" for mobile phone Apr 13 13:36:26 i dont get it ech0Asus you tested the reo version not in easy debian ? Apr 13 13:36:26 sup Apr 13 13:36:31 hi wazd Apr 13 13:36:36 repo Apr 13 13:36:38 i tested the repo version as well Apr 13 13:36:43 was locked on chan 6 Apr 13 13:36:47 hmm strange need to check this later at home Apr 13 13:36:51 then i tested with easy debian, same issue Apr 13 13:37:02 Shapeshifter: yes nowadays but they used to say natel Apr 13 13:37:13 many still do, I know ;) Apr 13 13:37:14 yeah my n900 is a beast on channel 6 though lol Apr 13 13:37:18 :D Apr 13 13:37:21 or depends on the region maybe Apr 13 13:37:37 gouverneur: now they also say "iphone" :P Apr 13 13:37:39 great for gettin handshake packets to take home and crack... Apr 13 13:37:49 long as ur on #6... :( Apr 13 13:37:56 Shapeshifter: thats so stupid Apr 13 13:38:08 * ShadowJK has 3 APs in range, on non-overlapping channels Apr 13 13:38:08 govthat's also my idea Apr 13 13:38:21 gouverneur: ^^ Apr 13 13:38:28 it's a 2WIRE zoo over there Apr 13 13:38:48 ghostcube: what's your fw region? Apr 13 13:38:49 just thinking of doing an iMan tshirt Apr 13 13:38:53 germany Apr 13 13:38:58 europe Apr 13 13:39:00 hmm, same here Apr 13 13:39:12 i have over 30 ap's i can test on lol Apr 13 13:39:27 would be nice if all these aps could just share the bandwidth Apr 13 13:39:43 strange thing really will set later monitor on and check Apr 13 13:39:50 at work now Apr 13 13:39:53 would be cool if i had an adapter that could access all of them at once and bridge the connection :) hell yeah! Apr 13 13:39:53 pupnik: you could use one for up and one for down Apr 13 13:40:23 * DocScrutinizer curses flat-plastic-cables and wanders off to shout some nasty swearwords in the cellar Apr 13 13:41:21 * ghostcube loves his ssh server Apr 13 13:41:22 :D Apr 13 13:42:10 grr 98.5% done witht he rainbow tables.. takin forever... Apr 13 13:42:23 http://twitter.com/bundyo/status/12093830311 - "In next three days - release which will enable premium Maemo content in Ovi Store. Maybe PR1.2 hint. #nafb" Apr 13 13:42:32 like day 3 now Apr 13 13:42:55 ls Apr 13 13:43:11 http://twitter.com/bundyo/status/12098753092 - Another mention that PR1.2 for N900 will be released in ¨one of the next days¨. #nafb Apr 13 13:43:27 * gouverneur is seeing dead ppl and PR1.2 Apr 13 13:43:52 will pr1.2 require reflashing? Apr 13 13:43:53 PR1.2 -.- Apr 13 13:43:56 yes Apr 13 13:44:06 i still dont belive it till its here Apr 13 13:44:06 :D Apr 13 13:44:27 i'm more excited for backtrack mobile lol Apr 13 13:44:58 which is prolly waitin on pr1.2 tho... Apr 13 13:47:50 * achipa thinks Waiting for PR1.2 is the sequel to Waiting for Godot Apr 13 13:47:54 lol... i found what hosed the system Apr 13 13:48:33 But will PR1.2 will run Duke Nukem Forever? Apr 13 13:48:46 ptl: whos that bundyo? as ahe doesnt quote a source Apr 13 13:48:49 >>Welcome to the National Association of Farm Broadcasting (www.nafb.com). We're just getting started.<< Apr 13 13:49:09 fr01: I do not have the slightest idea, someone on tmo said he's from nokia staff Apr 13 13:49:14 oops Apr 13 13:49:27 frals: I do not have the slightest idea, someone on tmo said he's from nokia staff Apr 13 13:49:35 nice Apr 13 13:49:42 "someone said" check Apr 13 13:49:46 lol Apr 13 13:49:48 yep Apr 13 13:49:57 I don't said to give it confidence Apr 13 13:49:58 Yo mamma said. Apr 13 13:50:02 just felt like quoting it here Apr 13 13:50:17 I don't said --> agh! I didn't say Apr 13 13:50:30 n900 is cool but i don't see why you'd want to play games on it.. unless you want to carry a wireless controller.. buttons on the n900 suck for gaming, would honestly just piss me off tryin to really play a game on that thing.. Apr 13 13:50:36 All I want: Bugs fixed, Turn by turn navigation. Apr 13 13:50:52 All I want: bugs fixed, repositories working again Apr 13 13:51:04 Oh, and better battery life would be nice. ;] Apr 13 13:51:12 imap idle Apr 13 13:51:12 turn by turn navigation get sygics Apr 13 13:51:20 CalDAV Apr 13 13:51:27 ech0Asus, doesn't support my country... Apr 13 13:51:33 And I don't want to pay more, thanks. Apr 13 13:51:39 So your solution is a no-go. Apr 13 13:51:54 also I want a redhaired girl with thick legs and large breasts Apr 13 13:51:55 ech0Asus: how much is sygics? Apr 13 13:52:05 ptl, ew. Apr 13 13:52:22 ah, they hinted at nokia app forum bulgaria it might happen Apr 13 13:52:34 ptl: google for Zappa's 'big leg emma' ;-P Apr 13 13:52:41 frals, I expect turn by turn from Nokia as they have committed it to the symbian platforms. Apr 13 13:52:47 lol Apr 13 13:52:54 But they sure are dragging their heels. ;/ Apr 13 13:53:03 you guys know about transmission right? Apr 13 13:53:12 my comment was about pr1.2 in the next few days Apr 13 13:53:13 and how to use it... Apr 13 13:53:17 yes Apr 13 13:53:25 "Navigation on your Nokia. For Free. Forever." Apr 13 13:53:27 ok well there u go thats how much sygics costs... Apr 13 13:53:34 ... Apr 13 13:54:27 they have a window of opportunity - navigation for the N900 from Nokia will arrive at the end of the year at best Apr 13 13:54:42 linux is free, commercial pisses me off on it.. just torrent that shit treibholz... Apr 13 13:54:46 achipa, I'm not estimating a time, I just want it. ;] Apr 13 13:54:50 (as they are writing it for Harmattan) Apr 13 13:56:16 I know for a fact that Ovi Maps turn by turn navigation works in my country, just not on the N900 because OVI maps is very basic atm. Apr 13 13:56:25 ech0Asus: then where did you steal your n900 ? Apr 13 13:56:36 It's just a matter of programming the app. ;/ Apr 13 13:56:38 ech0Asus: for nav the real cost for the publisher is in the maps. Somebody has to pay for them, it's not really about Freedom, them satellites won't fly on their own nor get the maps updated... Apr 13 13:57:24 Well it's free for other Nokia mobile phones with GPS and the N900 being a high-end device, I would expect it. ;/ Apr 13 13:58:04 that does not explain why *sygic* should be free :) Apr 13 13:58:05 DocScrutinizer: I've read the lyrics, really, I think it's worse to date a thin girl. My preferred style is like that: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nVEel9W7iZo/SP-bv5SupYI/AAAAAAAAAMU/FBVpLB1S4D4/s400/mulher_melancia1.jpg - you can say it's sort of brazilian style, specially in Rio de Janeiro and Salvador Apr 13 13:58:05 ech0Asus: freedom has nothing to do with torrents... Apr 13 13:58:06 [2010-04-13 10:55:20] konttori: how about ovi maps 3 for N900? is it in progress at all? [2010-04-13 10:56:29] to be honest, I am not exactly sure. They were working on it to some degree, but I wasn't exactly certain that did they decide to halt the development or not. It's part of the applications teams work, so I didn't pay too much attention to that, as I don't use it myself. [2010-04-13 10:57:40] is that Apr 13 13:58:08 uninformative enough? In theory, they are doing their app with web runtime, so it should be the same app for all nokia platforms, so, ... anyway, you can email simone.leggio@nokia.com to ask. He's heading the applications team for n900. Apr 13 13:58:16 achipa, yeah, I never said sygic should be free. Apr 13 13:58:26 I don't want Sygic, I want Ovi Maps to be updated. ;p Apr 13 13:58:59 DocScrutinizer, thank you, I will email now. Apr 13 13:59:55 meh redhats.. Apr 13 14:00:10 I want to be able to download a full country. Data-Roaming in other countries is damn expensive. Apr 13 14:00:18 * ShadowJK doubts ovi maps on s60 is wrt based.. Apr 13 14:00:30 or maybe they rewrote it Apr 13 14:00:48 It is not Apr 13 14:01:23 Mail sent. Apr 13 14:02:17 grr stupid nagra3 i want to watch tv again... Apr 13 14:03:26 end tv Apr 13 14:03:44 * DocScrutinizer envisions simone kicking konttori down the Nokia office stairs Apr 13 14:04:09 i don't like regular tv but it was cool being able to watch local channels from all over the us... Apr 13 14:04:27 and canadian tv isn't bad... Apr 13 14:05:01 i prefer their techtv channel, has more brainfood instead of retards playin video games like the usa channel... Apr 13 14:06:19 well, someone posted his notion about why US-Americans love portrait mode... Apr 13 14:06:49 i hate it, i only have it with the phone part cause its built in... Apr 13 14:07:05 if its not going to be fully supported i'd rather it not be supported at all its a pain... Apr 13 14:07:30 It's a bit annoying not having portrait mode for telephone conversations. Apr 13 14:07:42 ???? Apr 13 14:07:49 DocScrutinizer: why's that? Apr 13 14:07:57 My operator broke 2g yesterday... even with just openvpn doing a ping every 20s, and even with the mugen battery, getting through the day would have been difficult had I not disconnected from intarwebs :/ Apr 13 14:07:59 i dont understand why my contact list wont turn to portait.. what is the point of it being all short... Apr 13 14:08:20 ech0Asus, agreed. Apr 13 14:08:23 check http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog, I'll not repeat that Apr 13 14:08:39 readin Apr 13 14:08:50 * ShadowJK 's contact list seems to work in portrait Apr 13 14:08:57 oh? Apr 13 14:09:16 if you use the phone ap instead of the contacts app Apr 13 14:09:22 Yeah, it does work in that case. Apr 13 14:09:25 bookmarked will come in handy Apr 13 14:09:35 ShadowJK: yeah, 20s pings keep alive 3G all the time Apr 13 14:10:04 ShadowJK: would result in some 4..5h with normal battery Apr 13 14:10:11 but why not have the contact app be like the one in the phone app... its way better... Apr 13 14:10:36 portrait mode annoys me a bit.. when someone calls and I pick up phone and it decides to rotate I have to wait extra 2s before pushing the big red "I'm busy" button Apr 13 14:10:38 Why not combine the phone and contact app? :P Apr 13 14:10:51 ShadowJK, so it's actually the delay that's annoying? Apr 13 14:10:56 yeah Apr 13 14:11:04 I find the rotate delay to be annoying as well. Apr 13 14:11:04 yeah exactly.. just a shortcut link to the phones apps contact page would work... Apr 13 14:11:19 but on the other hand if there was no delay it'd mistake all sorts of movement for attitude Apr 13 14:11:23 ShadowJK: disable auto-rotate Apr 13 14:11:40 it can't distinguish rotation from acceleartion really :) Apr 13 14:11:46 how to disable auto-rotate? Apr 13 14:11:57 would love to Apr 13 14:12:15 dunno, no N900 owner here Apr 13 14:12:18 ShadowJK: if the rotation delay is annoying, remove it Apr 13 14:12:36 In the Phone app settings... Apr 13 14:12:40 ech0Asus: where? In phone? In browser? Apr 13 14:12:42 You can disable 'Automatic'. Apr 13 14:12:43 the rotation animation's fully configurable via transitions.ini Apr 13 14:12:48 phone _ turning control Apr 13 14:12:51 'Turning Control' Apr 13 14:13:16 nid0, for all apps I presume. Apr 13 14:13:46 ~nid0++ Apr 13 14:13:51 transition.ini's rotation control functions will control the graphic animation/delays for all switches between portrait<>landscape Apr 13 14:13:58 cool got it Apr 13 14:14:14 thanks... was lookin way in wrong place for that Apr 13 14:14:25 lol, got some nice graphics corruption on the one switch animation. Apr 13 14:14:42 Opening the keyboard switches to landscape as well, btw. Apr 13 14:14:52 if you set the fade-in / fade-out delays to 0 and the rotation angle to 0, then there's no switch animation or delay anymore, it just flicks straight from landscape to portrait and vice versa Apr 13 14:15:05 I assume it's fast? Apr 13 14:15:23 for all practical purposes it's instant Apr 13 14:15:41 nid0: is this documented anywhere in wiki? Apr 13 14:16:01 Where is this file exactly? Apr 13 14:16:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Transitions is about all that's mentioned in the wiki Apr 13 14:16:23 hildon-desktop Apr 13 14:16:31 the file itself is well commented to specify exactly what every option does though Apr 13 14:16:48 and there've been a couple of threads recently on tmo discussing alterations to the transitions Apr 13 14:16:58 ~lart tmo Apr 13 14:16:58 * infobot cuts off tmo's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper Apr 13 14:17:21 nid0, where is the file located? Apr 13 14:17:29 this sim card still has 3g lol Apr 13 14:17:33 /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini Apr 13 14:17:41 although the phone has not been paid in over a week Apr 13 14:17:51 but the issue is not the animation, but as ShadowJK mentioned, the period it's doing nothing waiting to ensure you really did put it in portrait Apr 13 14:17:53 phone is off, messaging is off... 3g works... Apr 13 14:17:54 nid0, ah... Apr 13 14:18:07 I have used the 5.0 installer to install scratchbox+maemo, but trying to apt-get qt stuff fails (wrong deps it seems) Apr 13 14:18:19 anyone know where I'm going wrong? Apr 13 14:18:30 is #maemo back to normal now? :) Apr 13 14:18:33 better make a backup. :D Apr 13 14:18:43 skype works on it still.. has not been capped on speed either... Apr 13 14:18:47 MohammadAG: has it ever been ? Apr 13 14:19:06 MohammadAG: no OC-Talk for some minutes... Apr 13 14:19:12 TigerTael: rotation configuration is quite near the bottom under the # Screen rotation transition comment Apr 13 14:19:15 until this stops working this will be my phone lol... skype with 3g from expired tmo sim card haha Apr 13 14:19:33 there're 6 values, and essentially if you put them all to 0 then you get instant flicks between portrait<>landscape Apr 13 14:20:13 MohammadAG: it ever been? define 'normal' Apr 13 14:20:13 nid0, thanks, looking at it now. Apr 13 14:20:56 DocScrutinizer, pre-today normal :) Apr 13 14:21:18 * MohammadAG wonders if crashanddie_ "took his pills" :P Apr 13 14:21:20 javispedro: would be cool if we had enough battery to do orientation via facial recognition - orientation determined by the line of the eyes Apr 13 14:21:38 * DocScrutinizer fails to spot any particular madness in #maemo today Apr 13 14:22:30 achipa: yeah Apr 13 14:22:58 achipa: that's actually a brilliant idea Apr 13 14:23:27 achipa: alas the aux cam probably just is too crappy Apr 13 14:23:55 DocScrutinizer: tell me about the front cam... aaanyway, should be good enough for those purposes Apr 13 14:24:22 power consumption shouldn't be a main issue Apr 13 14:24:37 the idea was born when I realized the orientation is always (murphy) wrong then the device is flat on the table Apr 13 14:24:48 you can 'pulse' - means 90% off 10% on Apr 13 14:25:05 those digicams that are supposed to detect the location of faces for focus... I've never seen them spot an actual face, how are those awesome machine vision algorithms going to determine orientation of face when it fails so hard on finding face :D Apr 13 14:25:34 ShadowJK: My Canon Ixus does detect faces quite well. Apr 13 14:25:37 I would say there's a 500msec blank in between switches. Apr 13 14:25:51 X-Fade: OMNIA maincam as well Apr 13 14:25:53 ShadowJK: Even multiple faces at the same time. Apr 13 14:26:01 ShadowJK: also, we're in a better position - people are in front and at a guessable distance Apr 13 14:26:09 OMNIA even does 'smile detect auto-shoot' Apr 13 14:26:21 canon powershot fails at it :) Apr 13 14:26:29 DocScrutinizer: Mine has blink detection and doesn't shoot when you frown. Apr 13 14:26:47 Sad face detection too. Apr 13 14:26:51 once it put a rectangle around a beer can. I took the hint Apr 13 14:27:01 Nikon got sued because some cameras always warned about Asians people 'blinking' Apr 13 14:27:06 lol Apr 13 14:27:08 Asian* Apr 13 14:29:24 well there was that youtube video a few months ago as well about problems with HP's laptop webcams' auto face following Apr 13 14:29:33 that wouldnt follow black people or even see that theyre there Apr 13 14:29:43 lol Apr 13 14:30:26 crashanddie_ there ? Apr 13 14:31:02 don't wake him! ;-P Apr 13 14:31:14 firefox just blew up in my face, duh... Apr 13 14:31:58 Eish, when you scroll the virtual desktops really fast, you eventually end up with a blank desktop behind the last selected one. Apr 13 14:32:31 err? Apr 13 14:32:38 only whilst transitioning. Apr 13 14:33:02 It's like drawing a blank (black) desktop right behind the one it's currently transitioning to. Apr 13 14:33:05 aah, seems you'd need a video to attach to THAT ticket Apr 13 14:33:59 Yeah, I don't think it's got to do with my rotation transition settings I just modified... Apr 13 14:34:04 hey there Apr 13 14:34:34 If I do it fast, continously, I eventually end up with a black/blank screen whilst it continues transitioning. Apr 13 14:34:35 anyone knows where to get the source code for "wifi switcher" for n900 -> the greatest package to save the batt on the n900 :) Apr 13 14:34:49 i am wondering how the kernel module is disable the wlan interface Apr 13 14:35:19 massoud: if your AP isn't great Apr 13 14:35:20 is it possible to copy numbers from my sim card to my n900? Apr 13 14:35:28 I am playing music in the background... don't think that should affect it. Apr 13 14:35:51 dunno how else to get them off my 3410 Apr 13 14:36:02 BCMM_: I seem to remember there's acopy_from_sim option somewhere Apr 13 14:36:18 Hrm, music paused (mp3), and the problem is less persistent. Apr 13 14:36:35 BCMM_: maybe in sync_contacts from settings Apr 13 14:36:43 oh wait, there we go, got it to do it again. Apr 13 14:37:21 BCMM_: or somewhere in contacts' menu Apr 13 14:38:22 docscrutinizer what do you mean by " sync_contacts from settings"? Apr 13 14:38:23 BCMM_: there's also 'import contacts from other device, via BT' Apr 13 14:38:45 docscrutinizer other phone is a 3410 Apr 13 14:39:24 good for calls, texts, self-defence at a pinch, but thats it Apr 13 14:39:35 BCMM_: sorry, can't check right now, no N900 here ATM Apr 13 14:39:51 black and white, no nluetooth no memory cards Apr 13 14:40:32 BCMM_: anyway there's 'copy from SIM' somewhere Apr 13 14:40:36 Hi, anyone aware of problems using gconftool-2 in postinsts in Scratchbox? Either via HAM, or apt-get, the lack of a working D-Bus connection scuppers it Apr 13 14:40:52 Contacts > title bar/menu > Get contacts Apr 13 14:40:56 I think Apr 13 14:41:17 yep Apr 13 14:42:54 Jaffa: do you have the UI booted up? Apr 13 14:42:56 MohammadAG thanks Apr 13 14:43:02 copying Apr 13 14:44:49 javispedro: Yup Apr 13 14:45:11 well, rebooting with new sim Apr 13 14:45:24 Jaffa: weirdo, drnoksnes does install gconf schemas with conftool and it seems to work :P Apr 13 14:45:38 javispedro: Anything weird other than gconfgtool-2 ...? Apr 13 14:47:01 iirc it has something like if [ "$1" = "configure" ]; then gconf-schemas --register drnoksnes.schemas Apr 13 14:47:52 javispedro: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/debian/hermes.postinst;h=aa2d4f3e219c51c908f7a808757925e1c8a25390;hb=0f1a18a9c0e2f6fb72fbba75ee46663422d3613a is mine Apr 13 14:48:55 so you need to run-standalone.sh that I guess Apr 13 14:49:24 (and also I learnt that installing schemas doesn't need a d-bus connection :) ) Apr 13 14:50:01 run-standalone.sh makes a lot of sense Apr 13 14:50:45 wait, it tries to use system bus? Apr 13 14:52:04 still, it works here when run-standalone.sh 'd . Apr 13 14:52:17 DocScrutinizer: I'm sure that's from the very first days :) Apr 13 14:54:30 hhmmm, aiui you'd need the user-session environment to do certain things related to dbus and other session-specific services Apr 13 14:54:56 hello Apr 13 14:55:15 does somebody know if there is a way to have synergy (the client) running on a n900 ? Apr 13 14:55:39 Yggdrasill: you need to compile it in the SDK Apr 13 14:55:53 should work. Apr 13 14:56:01 Treibholz: yeah probably, but I'm wondering how it could be managed because on maemo there is no mouse pointer Apr 13 14:56:02 Yggdrasill: i've seen people use it Apr 13 14:56:05 but I guess x2x would be better. Apr 13 14:56:19 Treibholz: I don't know this, I'll check it out Apr 13 14:56:28 timeless_mbp1: working fine or just running ? :p Apr 13 14:57:00 * Treibholz "sometimes" has a mousepointer, but this is a bug. Apr 13 14:57:15 lol Apr 13 14:58:02 so it should be possible to enable it. Apr 13 14:58:34 Soo... Apr 13 14:58:45 the next MeeGo won't have a keyboard Apr 13 14:58:47 :/ Apr 13 14:58:49 SpeedEvil: what do you mean "AP" ? Apr 13 14:59:03 MohammadAG: eh? Apr 13 14:59:24 MohammadAG: meego device? Apr 13 14:59:25 http://cdn1.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meego_handheld_feature_list.jpg Apr 13 14:59:40 ah Apr 13 15:00:12 arf Apr 13 15:00:16 MohammadAG: you mean like the iPhone? only onscreen? Apr 13 15:00:19 it sux Apr 13 15:00:37 Treibholz, well that's what I'm guessing Apr 13 15:00:46 it says Virtual keyboard Apr 13 15:00:54 no mention of a hardware one Apr 13 15:01:13 so, my next device has to be an android... Apr 13 15:01:16 it also says "Intel UX design" Apr 13 15:01:21 .. Apr 13 15:01:27 great! Apr 13 15:01:28 that's a far stretch for 'no keyboard' Apr 13 15:01:32 is this some tablet? Apr 13 15:01:36 even n900 has a virtual keyboard Apr 13 15:01:53 but has it Location Based Service Application Apr 13 15:01:57 Stskeeps, but they did mention a hardware keyboard Apr 13 15:01:58 iirc Apr 13 15:01:59 ah no, 'handset' Apr 13 15:02:03 Stskeeps: where? haven't found it yet... Apr 13 15:02:17 Treibholz, enable it in settings > text input Apr 13 15:02:49 * Treibholz wants hardware-keys! onscreen-keyboards suck! Apr 13 15:03:11 +1 Apr 13 15:03:20 err Apr 13 15:03:25 don't jump to conclusions Apr 13 15:03:31 I said I was guessing Apr 13 15:03:32 MohammadAG: I wonder why you didn't post the most provocative screenshot, which is Apr 13 15:03:34 http://cdn1.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meego_handheld_ui_1.jpg Apr 13 15:03:34 don't troll tmo about it Apr 13 15:04:09 javispedro, I suck at marketing ;) Apr 13 15:04:30 but seriously, I looked at the specs sheet first Apr 13 15:04:49 but look at the poor dog! Apr 13 15:05:00 javispedro: it's an ugly dog! Apr 13 15:05:34 my comment: FUCK that! Apr 13 15:05:39 * javispedro patiently waits for tmo's OMG UI I WANT THIS HOW I INSTALL Apr 13 15:06:43 that's so clearly heading opposite direction maemo is going with the 'small desktop' approach. I don't like that *at all* Apr 13 15:06:54 u guys seen that commercial from samsung bout their new way of txtin? wonder if we could clone that on the n900... they broke the world record for texting with it.. Apr 13 15:07:20 ech0Asus: that sliding over the keyboard? Apr 13 15:07:55 yeah with the one finger Apr 13 15:08:14 maemo is not really a "small desktop", and it is good. "small desktop" was early Zaurus and it sucked big time Apr 13 15:09:13 if its more efficient.. then we wouldn't need keyboard at all.. cut down on size.. Apr 13 15:09:24 Arkenoi: well anyway meego handheld UX seems to be s/desktop/dialer app/ and that's clearly not what I want for a tablet Apr 13 15:09:28 n900 is great but bulky lol Apr 13 15:09:42 ech0Asus: thats because of the camera. Apr 13 15:09:50 not becaus of the keyboard. Apr 13 15:10:00 DocScrutinizer: well, I somehow like it more than the harmattan sketches. Apr 13 15:10:14 looks clean Apr 13 15:10:19 i wonder if they hired wazd Apr 13 15:10:22 http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/14.png Apr 13 15:10:22 :P Apr 13 15:10:32 still, forget about this: n900+1 will have harmattan ui, not moblin. Apr 13 15:10:33 is like a brick though lol i could prolly knock someone out with this... Apr 13 15:10:33 :) Apr 13 15:10:34 ;) Apr 13 15:11:05 ech0Asus: thanks for this statement Apr 13 15:11:15 javispedro: Needing to run-standalone it would make sense, except when started from HAM (in a user env) and that it works on device, even via SSH ;-) Apr 13 15:11:30 Stskeeps: hehe Apr 13 15:11:35 might be that the 'handheld feature list' is talking about the software Apr 13 15:11:56 Stskeeps, 15 hours at 21%? lol Apr 13 15:12:03 as it's a MeeGo article after all Apr 13 15:12:16 meego really seems very different from Maemo UI Apr 13 15:12:17 Jaffa: yeah, dunno why it doesn't work from HAM Apr 13 15:12:26 ptl, otoh, so was fremantle Apr 13 15:12:29 I'd say someone start fixing up Maemo 5 for the next maemo/meego device :p Apr 13 15:12:44 it feels like i have a weapon in my hand when i hold my n900 now haha Apr 13 15:13:02 ech0Asus: another feature :) Apr 13 15:13:08 Stskeeps: but I think that apart from the application reach, maemo 5 UI is very good Apr 13 15:13:10 Stskeeps: I'm still one step ahead Apr 13 15:13:12 javispedro: Jaffa AIUI HAM talks to apt running as root Apr 13 15:13:13 ech0Asus, it does not matter if it is "more efficient". you cannot type anything exceeding the size of short email with comfort with single finger, touch screen keyboard or *anything* other than classic qwerty Apr 13 15:13:14 wazd: indeed Apr 13 15:13:27 by application reach I mean that you have to navigate too long to find your app Apr 13 15:13:28 Stskeeps: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4440/83451808.jpg if you remember :P Apr 13 15:13:48 wazd: indeed Apr 13 15:13:58 Stskeeps: and it's an old mockup already btw :) Apr 13 15:14:20 wazd: i do occasionally ponder if i can find some way to pay you minimum wage and get you into the EU ;) Apr 13 15:14:52 Stskeeps: (so was fremantle) not rally Apr 13 15:14:55 i dunno i had an n800 was fine without the keyboard imo, especially if you could have the texting like the new samsung... Apr 13 15:14:56 really Apr 13 15:15:43 but if you need text input for something more than "texting" it is not fine at all for sure Apr 13 15:15:48 i just used the stylus to txt on the n800 Apr 13 15:15:55 actually was responsive.. Apr 13 15:16:28 I am not gonna comment too much on very early versions Apr 13 15:16:39 but I hope they change meego's interface to look more like current maemo 5. Apr 13 15:16:46 *except* for the app menu. :) Apr 13 15:17:09 seriouuuuuuuuusly you should look at the harmattan mockups Apr 13 15:17:10 what would be the worst current smartphone UI? Apr 13 15:17:10 DocScrutinizer: True Apr 13 15:17:12 windows mobile 6.5? Apr 13 15:17:24 DocScrutinizer: Doesn't explain why it wortks on device but not in SB Apr 13 15:17:27 javispedro: where? Apr 13 15:17:30 i also liked having two sd cards.. i dont see why as bulky as this thing is i don't have an external sd card slot... Apr 13 15:17:30 DocScrutinizer: Apart from "Scratchbox's shit" Apr 13 15:17:32 symbian touch Apr 13 15:17:41 Jaffa: ok, yes Apr 13 15:17:43 at least for another micro... Apr 13 15:18:05 DocScrutinizer: Don't get me wrong, I can get behind "Scratchbox's shit" ;-) Apr 13 15:18:24 Stskeeps: hehe :) Apr 13 15:18:37 Stskeeps: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4440/83451808.jpg if you remember :P Apr 13 15:18:47 http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1760/source2.png that's the latest "part" Apr 13 15:18:50 ptl: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/091009-maemo-01.jpg Apr 13 15:18:58 * MohammadAG posts that as the MeeGo UI on tmo and waits for the "WHEN CAN WE DOWNLOAD IT" part Apr 13 15:19:07 MohammadAG: you're late Apr 13 15:19:25 javispedro, ? Apr 13 15:19:28 javispedro: yeah! Comic-Style! Apr 13 15:19:28 I like it Apr 13 15:19:38 MohammadAG: I'll post the whole teaser when it'll be ready Apr 13 15:19:43 * MohammadAG votes for wazd as a UI designer Apr 13 15:20:10 javispedro: looks very confusing Apr 13 15:20:23 "it's not maemo! it's not maemo!" Apr 13 15:21:05 man i wish i had some tools to mold a new back panel for the n900.. i want a door to open the SD card slot.. you know you would all buy it too lol.. Apr 13 15:21:43 could just slide like the camera cover... Apr 13 15:22:15 actually I want to get rid of the bulge Apr 13 15:22:24 or even it out like on the N97 Apr 13 15:22:43 Stskeeps: just read that loaned n900's will be sent to the developers at long last :) Apr 13 15:23:09 :nod: Apr 13 15:23:12 hopefully you're high on the list Apr 13 15:23:15 ech0Asus: Only so long as it tripped the panel open switch Apr 13 15:24:13 yes that would be ideal micro Apr 13 15:24:21 * Treibholz would like an n900 without a camera. Apr 13 15:24:22 Stskeeps: hehe, can't wait to receive scratched n900 in august with the request to ready OMWeather for MeeGo Apr 13 15:24:39 then we could use multiple sd cards easily Apr 13 15:24:42 * ptl would like an n900 with one more camera, just to see a /dev/video2 device Apr 13 15:25:16 Treibholz: removing the maincam is easy :-P Apr 13 15:25:53 DocScrutinizer: yes, but it has the same bulky shape... Apr 13 15:26:15 remove the battery! it will become thinner Apr 13 15:26:39 anyway, the n900 is the best phone-like device ever, yet. Apr 13 15:26:42 Treibholz: so your requirement was oddly set Apr 13 15:27:17 though there is much potential to improve. Apr 13 15:28:14 I've found a great solution for all you torrent lovers. Just get a seedbox for $13 a month and never worry about bandwith again Apr 13 15:28:52 ? Apr 13 15:28:54 dsster: And I found a great solution for all spammers: go fuck yourself! Apr 13 15:29:04 oh Apr 13 15:29:05 spam Apr 13 15:29:05 lol Apr 13 15:29:12 thought it was something relevant Apr 13 15:29:44 How am i a spammer Treibholz ? Apr 13 15:29:48 Treibholz: thanks :-D Apr 13 15:29:51 dsster: I respectfully advise you to fornicate with your on body in the most invasive way Apr 13 15:29:59 s/ on / own / Apr 13 15:30:00 ptl meant: dsster: I respectfully advise you to fornicate with your own body in the most invasive way Apr 13 15:30:51 * DocScrutinizer politely points dsster to channel topic Apr 13 15:31:40 it's funny he thinks torrent lovers will pay for something... Apr 13 15:32:04 I just found about this recently so I thought I would get it out there Apr 13 15:32:26 it's more funny he thinks any torrent lovers in here that would care about his great solution Apr 13 15:32:31 ech0Asus: because seedboxes and usenet arent, like, massively popular, rite? Apr 13 15:33:00 rofl their advertised on every torrent site Apr 13 15:33:03 alright just forget about it then. for me $10 a month for unlimited is awesome Apr 13 15:33:17 For me it's worth it. Only for me not you Apr 13 15:33:17 they are just as known Apr 13 15:33:26 no need to advertise that anywhere Apr 13 15:33:37 not like he's goin to make cash of it.. Apr 13 15:34:24 dsster you now have on file you pay to download illegal shit Apr 13 15:34:34 enjoy your time in jail one day lol Apr 13 15:35:13 * DocScrutinizer TOPIC! Apr 13 15:36:12 k, sorry lol.. anyways whats new today doc? Apr 13 15:39:54 dsster: what's the app you use for torrents on your maemo device? Apr 13 15:40:42 I am still waiting for it :( it's in the mail Apr 13 15:41:44 In my mind I already have it and trying to configure it for myself Apr 13 15:44:36 ptl: I heard Transmition is working very well... Apr 13 15:44:40 I hear* Apr 13 15:47:16 lol Apr 13 15:54:33 After looking up heard, it is a past tense of hear so I was correct. I know irrelevant to topic but still, I thought maybe I wasn't the only one confused Apr 13 15:57:35 LOL there's no calculator on the iPad Apr 13 15:57:49 you can do calculations in google, MohammadAG Apr 13 15:58:06 what if I'm out of internet coverage ;) Apr 13 15:58:15 why would you need ipad then ;) Apr 13 15:58:27 or the like 500 calculator apps in the app store Apr 13 15:59:12 that's not much of a bad decision Apr 13 15:59:23 Does anyone here own a class 10 microSDHC card? if so how is it performing on the n900? Apr 13 15:59:25 people who need the calculator will get it Apr 13 15:59:49 if there's a wide variety of a certain type of application in the store, it's in apple's interests not to include it on the device Apr 13 15:59:51 not a programmable calculator though Apr 13 16:00:02 remember no extra runtimes buahahaha Apr 13 16:00:03 makes the store look better + more attractive, and brings in extra cash for them Apr 13 16:01:28 MohammadAG: on android and foulfruit phones you're fucked without coverage anyway Apr 13 16:02:01 DocScrutinizer, well the iPhone drops coverage in the covered areas :P Apr 13 16:02:12 (so you're fooked all the time) :) Apr 13 16:02:39 * MohammadAG failed Apr 13 16:02:48 File-roller doesn't open .tar.gz s on the N900 x.x Apr 13 16:03:06 * javispedro thinks you should get xarchiver from diablo and start from ther Apr 13 16:03:11 but it works on the SDK Apr 13 16:03:14 will be easier to make a sane guy Apr 13 16:03:22 err... *gui. Apr 13 16:04:11 or mc Apr 13 16:04:17 i know there are qr barcode apps, but is there one that lets me make a barcode of my contact information? Apr 13 16:04:59 DocScrutinizer, mc is terminal based afaik Apr 13 16:05:01 opdf2: now that's a funny idea :-) Apr 13 16:05:10 MohammadAG: yep Apr 13 16:05:52 opdf2: you can generate barcodes with any text content you want Apr 13 16:06:18 is it in any of the repo? Apr 13 16:06:25 wow the xarchiver source is the weirdest I've ever seen Apr 13 16:06:26 eh? Apr 13 16:06:32 i know i can make an image on my computer Apr 13 16:06:35 theres like 54690469048 websites that have barcode generators Apr 13 16:06:46 im wondering if there was a specific app Apr 13 16:08:45 opdf2: probably not, as there's no obvious usecase for barcodes generated on N900 Apr 13 16:08:53 ty Apr 13 16:09:09 considering you can just generate them through the browser anyway, should you need to Apr 13 16:09:27 yeah i have been, still just wondering if there was an app Apr 13 16:09:35 but theres not Apr 13 16:09:55 since texlive is ported to n900 i bet there is a barecode package for it Apr 13 16:10:23 yep, was thinking along same line Apr 13 16:10:33 would be bit bloated to have a full texlive installation to generate barcodes .. but well :) Apr 13 16:10:41 barcode fontsets etc Apr 13 16:11:18 there is a barecode generator in pure postscript somewhere Apr 13 16:11:43 http://www.terryburton.co.uk/barcodewriter/ Apr 13 16:12:03 javispedro, well the open dialog is better Apr 13 16:12:05 MohammadAG: consider that the n900 doesn't have coreutils but the sdk does. xarchivar installed gnu versions of some tools, gtar for example Apr 13 16:12:05 other than that Apr 13 16:12:07 nada Apr 13 16:12:09 opdf2: what you're planning to do? Apr 13 16:12:25 javispedro, good point Apr 13 16:12:39 tbh, itd take 5 minutes to knock up an app to generate qr barcodes using google's chart api Apr 13 16:12:43 i made a barcode of my contact information so people could just scan it for my info Apr 13 16:12:52 would need a net connection to work, but would be tiny Apr 13 16:12:52 javispedro: you can install gnu-coreutils Apr 13 16:13:09 .... which doesn't matter if the gui isn't using them. Apr 13 16:13:12 Treibholz, yes he said that Apr 13 16:13:18 oh, sorry... Apr 13 16:13:25 OptX: sounds like a nice project Apr 13 16:13:28 MohammadAG: consider that the n900 doesn't have coreutils but the sdk does. xarchivar installed gnu versions of some tools, gtar for example Apr 13 16:13:37 gtar is part of gcoreutils afaik Apr 13 16:14:18 MohammadAG: there ist coreutils and gnu-coreutils. gnu-coreutils doesn't conflict with busybox, which makes it nicer :-) Apr 13 16:14:50 I installed proper tar yesterday (to create backup before saying goddbye to my N900). Wasn't in coreutils Apr 13 16:15:13 DocScrutinizer, gcoreutils Apr 13 16:15:22 kk Apr 13 16:15:27 * Treibholz is wondering, why his backup with rsnapshot didn't worl last night... Apr 13 16:15:28 actually Apr 13 16:15:30 you're right Apr 13 16:15:46 saying goodbye? What happened to your n900? Apr 13 16:15:46 DocScrutinizer, it doesn't have them x.x Apr 13 16:15:53 he murdered it Apr 13 16:16:28 how? Apr 13 16:16:39 sshhhhhh Apr 13 16:16:48 * MohammadAG stays shut Apr 13 16:16:51 :) Apr 13 16:17:22 friggin flat-pastic-connector broke. Those are too flimpsy obviously Apr 13 16:17:31 :-| Apr 13 16:17:44 oh, you sent to Nokia to fix? Apr 13 16:17:45 that will take ages Apr 13 16:17:54 yeah :-/ Apr 13 16:17:59 10 days from what i read Apr 13 16:19:41 Hi! Is there a 'todo' app that has an audible alarm? Apr 13 16:20:05 the calendar has a to-do list Apr 13 16:20:13 Ebzzry: maybe you want to have a look to alarmed app Apr 13 16:22:25 aha, a page in a few seconds. Apr 13 16:22:36 how many posts for the two unexplainable meego screenshots thread? Apr 13 16:22:41 i have a little "no entry" sign in the status bit (the bit with the signal strength and so on) Apr 13 16:22:42 place your bets, ladies and gentleman. Apr 13 16:22:43 what does it mean? Apr 13 16:22:58 (i am currently connected to wifi and to a linux machine using usb networking) Apr 13 16:23:10 qfree Apr 13 16:23:10 BCMM: means that any instant messaging protocol failed to connect Apr 13 16:23:16 wrong window, sorry Apr 13 16:23:20 javispedro: ah, thanks Apr 13 16:23:55 BCMM: unless it sits right below the signal bar, in which case it means "plane mode" Apr 13 16:24:01 aka cellmo disabled Apr 13 16:24:15 BCMM: your online-accounts like SIP, jabber etc aren't able to connect Apr 13 16:24:16 maybe it doesn't like me being logged into skype on a computer at the same time Apr 13 16:24:34 which would be odd, because you can have as many computers as you like logged in at once... Apr 13 16:24:36 that works here Apr 13 16:25:07 probably temporary error, bring in the presence applet and disconnect/reconnect Apr 13 16:26:00 presence applet - where? Apr 13 16:26:06 sorry, total newbie Apr 13 16:26:08 phone arrived today Apr 13 16:26:18 DocScrutinizer: pardon me, but what were you referring to? Apr 13 16:27:55 Ebzzry: a nice 'little' app to set all sorts of timed events, including alarms and notifications Apr 13 16:27:59 ah there we go Apr 13 16:28:27 DocScrutinizer: and what is the name of that app? Apr 13 16:28:57 errr Apr 13 16:29:05 he gave you it's name Apr 13 16:29:10 and I gave you another option Apr 13 16:29:20 hah, neglected teh possibility that there was actually no 'net connection Apr 13 16:29:29 probably doesn't like being on wifi and usb at the same time Apr 13 16:31:43 Ebzzry: 'alarmed' is the name. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594 Apr 13 16:32:17 BCMM: routing may be messed up Apr 13 16:32:42 DocScrutinizer: yeah, it got happier when i dis/reconnected the wifi after setting up USB networking Apr 13 16:33:08 when i'm at my own desk again, i'll set up my computer to act as a gateway Apr 13 16:33:27 javispedro, now you got me into porting gnutar and rest of the dependencies grr Apr 13 16:33:28 :p Apr 13 16:33:58 why don't ya just pull the diablo packages and push them to fremantle Apr 13 16:34:13 MohammadAG: huh? My tar of yesterday was fine, except it wasn't in $PATH Apr 13 16:34:39 gnutar Apr 13 16:35:40 gnutar, gnuzip, bzip2, zip, unzip, unrar, arj, lha, p7zip, lzma Apr 13 16:36:15 well that confirms it Apr 13 16:36:17 REJECTED: The same or newer version (tar 1.22-2maemo5) is already in extras-devel Apr 13 16:36:40 X-Fade: how goes symbols squeeze sdk? Apr 13 16:37:19 hrw: we're testing how many packages the squeeze devkit kills Apr 13 16:37:22 IroN900:~# /usr/bin/gnu/tar -t -f /media/mmc1/backup/repair.tgz Apr 13 16:38:00 MohammadAG: ^^^ Apr 13 16:38:22 hrw: the symbols files themselves are done Apr 13 16:38:39 DocScrutinizer: I'm getting this though: http://imgur.com/070ev.png Apr 13 16:38:42 DocScrutinizer, thanks :) Apr 13 16:39:49 Ebzzry, disable -devel Apr 13 16:39:53 Ebzzry: friggin PR1.2 autobuilder megabork Apr 13 16:40:09 MohammadAG: alarmed is in devel :-P Apr 13 16:40:13 anyway to see most downloaded programs in extras on maemo.org? Apr 13 16:40:15 * MohammadAG fails yet again Apr 13 16:40:24 can build it for PR1.1.1 Apr 13 16:40:34 but let me finish xarchiver first Apr 13 16:40:39 Shapeshifter: ^^^ Apr 13 16:41:51 * MohammadAG wonders what DocScrutinizer was pointing at Apr 13 16:42:58 MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: I'm getting this though: http://imgur.com/070ev.png Apr 13 16:43:07 MohammadAG: alarmed is in -devel Apr 13 16:43:10 oh Apr 13 16:43:38 Ebzzry, was it necessary to point my fail again? ;) Apr 13 16:43:58 will build it in a bit Apr 13 16:44:17 Sorry, I got disconnected and didn't see the scrollback. Apr 13 16:44:30 For -testing? Apr 13 16:45:08 * DocScrutinizer wonders if maybe jebba's mirror has stopped syncing to keep it in a useable state... Apr 13 16:48:49 greetings Apr 13 16:48:54 I am wondering if Nokia will ever release an arabic keyboard (physical) now that they are planning a new device already Apr 13 16:49:17 smhar: only Nokia knows Apr 13 16:49:30 alias reg=gconftool-2 Apr 13 16:50:00 Ebzzry, mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/alarmed_0.1.8-3_all.deb Apr 13 16:50:08 Ebzzry, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/alarmed_0.1.8-3_all.deb Apr 13 16:50:36 MohammadAG: Thanks. I'll fetch it now. Apr 13 16:50:40 smhar, arabic isn't officially supported, so I doubt it Apr 13 16:50:44 np Apr 13 16:51:04 smhar, "already" sounds funny in your sentence Apr 13 16:51:39 heya ! Apr 13 16:52:52 andre__, because this is my experience with Nokia, as soon as I purchase a mobile they announce a replacement Apr 13 16:53:05 haha, okay :) Apr 13 16:53:28 It complains about pyside-qt4-* not being installed. Apr 13 16:53:37 MohammadAG: It complains about pyside-qt4-* not being installed. Apr 13 16:55:38 apt-get -f install Apr 13 16:56:26 why were all the old packages cleaned :/ Apr 13 16:57:07 [2010-04-13 18:39:52] Ebzzry: friggin PR1.2 autobuilder megabork Apr 13 16:57:15 because i think of bug in maemo.org/packages Apr 13 16:57:28 DocScrutinizer, my package should work Apr 13 16:57:34 DocScrutinizer: what does pyside have anything to do with it? Apr 13 16:57:45 sometimes use old icon, old description, old bugtracker link Apr 13 16:58:15 but i think also is too reduce size of extras-devel size index on rootfs Apr 13 16:58:24 javispedro: no idea, just guessing here. Can't check/confirm Apr 13 16:58:35 in prevision of a futur pr1.2 release Apr 13 16:58:43 * slonopotamus hates hitting bugs in libs :( Apr 13 16:58:52 DocScrutinizer, built it using the PR1.1.1 SDK, so again, it should work :) Apr 13 16:58:55 s/too/to Apr 13 16:58:56 ~ping Apr 13 16:58:57 ~pong Apr 13 16:59:33 MohammadAG: 'it' here is what exactly? Apr 13 16:59:53 Ebzzry, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/alarmed_0.1.8-3_all.deb Apr 13 17:00:12 that Apr 13 17:00:50 well, the pyside libs simply aren't installed on Ebzzry's device I guess Apr 13 17:01:08 apt-get -f install Apr 13 17:01:09 Where can I get them? Apr 13 17:01:12 :) Apr 13 17:01:29 I did that, but it doesn't work. Apr 13 17:01:35 Ebzzry, do the command above :/ Apr 13 17:01:35 apt-get -f install Apr 13 17:01:44 what does it say? Apr 13 17:02:20 syntax error, missing mandatory argument ? Apr 13 17:03:06 MohammadAG: it asks permission to remove alarmed. If I hit yes, then install alarmed later, I'm back at square one. Apr 13 17:03:55 Ebzzry, after doing that, dpkg -i it again, then tell me which package conflicts Apr 13 17:04:29 did you know any pyqt app available on the n900 ? Apr 13 17:06:15 khertan, healthcheck? Apr 13 17:06:35 it s pygtk, isn't it ? Apr 13 17:06:42 no Apr 13 17:06:46 nope, Qt Apr 13 17:06:48 oh ... i ll check it so :) Apr 13 17:07:07 i ve many strange problem with my qt dev Apr 13 17:07:18 * MohammadAG facepalms Apr 13 17:07:22 so i ll look if it s happen also on it :) Apr 13 17:07:41 now pyside packages are broken Apr 13 17:07:43 hmpf Apr 13 17:07:49 1.2 needs to come out, quick! Apr 13 17:07:55 MohammadAG: :-P Apr 13 17:07:57 using osso_abook functions is 0.1sec slower on load then the ebook Apr 13 17:07:58 hum ... ouf ... mine was installed before Apr 13 17:07:58 :( Apr 13 17:08:11 yay I cached previous debs Apr 13 17:08:12 * frals blames lcuk Apr 13 17:08:12 but some things arent working with release 0.2 Apr 13 17:08:26 MohammadAG: friggin repo autobuilder megabork needs a fix, last week!!! Apr 13 17:08:26 like the QSyntaxHilighter Apr 13 17:08:31 Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# ls pyside* Apr 13 17:08:46 pyside-qt4-base_0.2.3-1maemo3_armel.deb Apr 13 17:08:47 pyside-qt4-core_0.2.3-1maemo3_armel.deb Apr 13 17:08:47 and the rest of them Apr 13 17:08:47 XD Apr 13 17:08:49 frals, blaming me for what exactly Apr 13 17:08:54 lizardo: your example works great, cheers :) Apr 13 17:09:12 gah Apr 13 17:09:24 lcuk: using the proper osso_abook functions to get name from contact adds 0.1s to loading time of fmms! Apr 13 17:09:25 Ebzzry, gimme a sec Apr 13 17:09:44 frals: ditch python! ;) Apr 13 17:09:44 ! Apr 13 17:09:52 0.1s, you timed that? lol Apr 13 17:09:55 * timeless_mbp tries an over the air ssu Apr 13 17:09:56 you will gave over 9000 seconds Apr 13 17:10:06 gain even Apr 13 17:10:07 ok i got the same problem with healthcheck Apr 13 17:10:12 MohammadAG: yes Apr 13 17:10:32 pyside-qt4-(base|core|maemo5|gui) is not installed. Apr 13 17:10:35 javispedro: i blame osso_abook in this case! Apr 13 17:10:46 seems it to come from .my pyqt, pyside or qt binding problem Apr 13 17:10:48 how you dare blame some C library! Apr 13 17:10:58 Ebzzry, yes, they're broken too, I have them cached Apr 13 17:11:00 i think the extra time is spent waiting for the aggregator to get ready, need to do some more testing i think Apr 13 17:11:08 just give me time to up them Apr 13 17:11:11 ok Apr 13 17:11:37 frals, whats the margin of error on your 0.1s startup difference Apr 13 17:11:40 dpkg - warning: downgrading pyside-qt4-core from 0.3.0-1maemo1 to 0.2.3-1maemo3. Apr 13 17:11:47 * MohammadAG wonders what he's going to break Apr 13 17:11:50 Hum now i ve interest in Pr1.2 ... coding in pyqt :) Apr 13 17:11:50 and can it be attributed to swans flying past the window or something Apr 13 17:12:25 only did 10 tests but seems +-0.02sec Apr 13 17:12:35 Setting up alarmed (0.1.8-3) ... Apr 13 17:12:35 Processing triggers for python-support ... Apr 13 17:12:35 Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# Apr 13 17:12:40 take that autobuilder! Apr 13 17:12:41 only did some simple tests, gonna see what it does to the whole application Apr 13 17:12:44 :) Apr 13 17:12:48 ofc Apr 13 17:13:00 you may be swapping some pain initially for gain internally Apr 13 17:13:23 but feel free to blame me :) i will pass on compliments to those who require it lol Apr 13 17:13:28 hehe Apr 13 17:13:36 * javispedro tinks you're putting too much blame on the autobuilder. qt packages _were renamed_. those are going to break no matter what. Apr 13 17:13:44 would be nice if osso_abook was opensource so it be easier to see what it does Apr 13 17:13:58 anyway need to get my hair cut now, need to look proper tomorrow! Apr 13 17:14:05 fixed in MeeGo (TM)! Apr 13 17:14:24 javispedro: /me blame nothing Apr 13 17:14:42 frals, ? gettin married? Apr 13 17:15:45 hehe Apr 13 17:16:02 meeting someone i recon its worth looking proper for ;D Apr 13 17:16:13 lcuk: at marriage time you won the game, no more need to look proper Apr 13 17:16:17 frals, ur mum doesn't mind what you look like Apr 13 17:16:31 lol Apr 13 17:19:54 * lcuk kicks bash Apr 13 17:19:57 * lcuk bashes kick Apr 13 17:21:27 http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip Apr 13 17:21:31 Ebzzry, Apr 13 17:21:48 ok Apr 13 17:21:48 don't use zips, but I thought you might not know how to untar a tar.bz2 Apr 13 17:22:08 MohammadAG: what made you think that? Apr 13 17:22:37 I'd probably fail on unzip Apr 13 17:23:53 MohammadAG: what would be the size if it was .tar.bz2? how about lzma? Apr 13 17:24:20 guys just a small tip which might help early PySide users try the latest 0.3.0 packages from extras-devel: we could manage to test them by adding the SDK repositories to the N900 and upgrading *only* the libqt4* packages from there ... worked for PySide, but YMMV Apr 13 17:25:06 we didn't document it anywhere because it is too hack to even be put public somewhere in www.pyside.org :D Apr 13 17:25:11 Ebzzry, it doeesn't matter in this case, since debs don't get compressed Apr 13 17:25:16 so: 6.5MBs Apr 13 17:25:20 I'd probably fail on unzip LOL Apr 13 17:25:30 seriously, those meego mock ups are pretty weird Apr 13 17:25:52 I'd say they are fake :) Apr 13 17:26:18 Ouch there is so many : i can't install/update apps X on t.m.o Apr 13 17:26:31 Ouch there is so many : i can't install/update apps X thread on t.m.o Apr 13 17:26:55 delete them if you can Apr 13 17:27:13 how difficult is to remap the 'physical' keys, as I can have the key printed on the keyboard Apr 13 17:27:42 lizardo : i m happy to ear it ... i ll so be able to start dev on device :) Apr 13 17:27:49 before 1.2 Apr 13 17:27:50 :) Apr 13 17:28:03 http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8537/meegohandheldui1.jpg <- is shelly McGregor on hold? is +44 2456697823 here number? is it separate number on hold? How can I switch to it? How can I hang held call? Apr 13 17:28:20 smhar, I think there's already an arabic keymap Apr 13 17:28:44 and why for god sake the most important info "caller's name" is so small Apr 13 17:28:47 wazd looks like the call is just on hold Apr 13 17:29:08 lcuk: how to pick up it then? Apr 13 17:29:15 lcuk: end call? :) Apr 13 17:29:15 great, so I just need to imprint the arabic alphanum on it Apr 13 17:30:01 wazd i dunno Apr 13 17:30:14 smhar, download ukeyboard Apr 13 17:30:15 why is there a dog on it, I dont want a dog on it Apr 13 17:30:44 wazd, look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZmkuuFKz5s at 1:20 there is a bit about very similar call screen Apr 13 17:30:49 it comes by default Apr 13 17:30:58 smhar: seems printing new symbols on the caps isn't working too good with backlight Apr 13 17:31:02 MohammadAG, what is ukeyboard? a virtual keyboard? Apr 13 17:31:02 wazd: but isn't the dog cute? Apr 13 17:31:02 lcuk: this is a mockup that can be done in like 1 hour of one man brainstorming right before the event Apr 13 17:31:12 javispedro: where is the dog? :D Apr 13 17:31:18 smhar, yes, and it adds keymaps afaik Apr 13 17:31:26 javispedro: I'm watching UI prom here :D Apr 13 17:31:30 pron* Apr 13 17:31:35 wazd its been there for over a year then Apr 13 17:32:13 docscrutinizer, there is a shop here that does laser printing to notebook keyboards Apr 13 17:32:33 smhar: check kbd in the dark Apr 13 17:33:03 hard to print transparent parts to black plastics Apr 13 17:34:22 docscrutinizer, what about transparent tickers Apr 13 17:34:50 not to mention full iphone statusbar replica Apr 13 17:34:52 exact Apr 13 17:34:56 the original letters will shine thru Apr 13 17:35:50 lcuk: thanks for the video lcuk, was looking for it Apr 13 17:36:08 smhar: you might add transparent stickers with small white additional arabic letters Apr 13 17:36:40 those won't shine in the dark, but at least it might work in daylight Apr 13 17:36:59 javispedro, came up in unrelated stuff Apr 13 17:37:05 docscrutinizer, it seems it is a messy business. I hate it Apr 13 17:37:17 yeah Apr 13 17:37:39 * MohammadAG won a discount code from ZAGG Apr 13 17:37:43 oh hi noobmonk3y Apr 13 17:37:51 hey hey! :D Apr 13 17:37:55 everyone having a gd day? Apr 13 17:38:42 I have been out spreading my seed, and am finally finished. Apr 13 17:38:45 (the lawn) Apr 13 17:38:55 lol! Apr 13 17:40:10 SpeedEvil; I don't think the babes likes to be called for lawns Apr 13 17:41:21 :D Apr 13 17:49:03 SpeedEvil: :-D Apr 13 17:51:18 * DocScrutinizer wonders if Nokia could be talked into producing blank keymats, to either print/laser your own custom keymapping in black on a white keycap, or etch/mill/laser out black varnish for the transparent white symbols Apr 13 17:51:30 that would be awesome Apr 13 17:52:39 hmm Apr 13 17:52:50 is there a hardware reason shift+blue+key won't work? Apr 13 17:52:54 * mece concurs that it would infact be awesome. Apr 13 17:53:04 won't it? Apr 13 17:53:16 shift-blue x and y both produce identcal output Apr 13 17:53:28 hell, for my y2000 6210 I remember that lil plastic thingy at the bottom you could **send in to nokia and get it lasermarked with your name** or whatever you liked Apr 13 17:53:48 Speedevil, but is there something mapped to them? Apr 13 17:53:52 for free! Apr 13 17:54:05 wow Apr 13 17:54:51 mece: j/k and z/x seem to do the same thing Apr 13 17:55:01 SpeedEvil: n-key rollover? Apr 13 17:55:17 SpeedEvil: no diodes in kbd matrix Apr 13 17:56:49 dunno Apr 13 17:57:27 hi Apr 13 17:58:24 can someone give me some tips, how i can figure out why my n900 is so slow today? Apr 13 17:58:56 i mean scrolling has lags and even the terminal output is slow Apr 13 17:59:27 What did you install/do recently Apr 13 17:59:35 have you added lots of music or videos? Apr 13 17:59:42 i did not do anything the last days with my n900 - only yesterday i charge the battery Apr 13 18:00:14 run top Apr 13 18:00:26 and check if something is eating cpu Apr 13 18:00:54 SpeedEvil: on a short glance there are 8 QCOL and 8 QROW, and seems Fn, Shift, Ctrl don't conflict with any of the standard keys Apr 13 18:01:34 SpeedEvil: so N-key rollover for the qualifier keys shouldn't be an issue Apr 13 18:01:37 hmm Apr 13 18:02:12 shift-blue, and ctrl-blue are not too hard to get with a fat thumb Apr 13 18:02:55 I use shift-numbers for xchat channels forex Apr 13 18:03:25 btw I finally got a qwerty ordered :-)) Apr 13 18:03:27 E0x: nothing special if i do nothing, but if i type something or press the display /usr/bin/Xorg reached 100% cpu usage Apr 13 18:03:44 what the... Apr 13 18:03:48 /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set Apr 13 18:04:30 MohammadAG, you need to make clean before recompiling in arm Apr 13 18:05:06 I compiled for arm Apr 13 18:05:20 just testing some changes in X86 Apr 13 18:05:20 and it's not compiling Apr 13 18:05:30 * RST38h moos inquiringly Apr 13 18:05:41 MohammadAG, as I said, you need to make clean first. Apr 13 18:05:42 nvm figured it ou Apr 13 18:05:42 t Apr 13 18:05:49 :) Apr 13 18:05:49 * DocScrutinizer remoos affirmatively Apr 13 18:06:03 * mece baas Apr 13 18:16:58 i turned off the device and removed the battery and than restart again - now it behaves normal again Apr 13 18:17:21 but i dont know why Apr 13 18:20:10 TheOne, open console, type top - wait and see whats taking up cpu Apr 13 18:20:18 if you have a next time Apr 13 18:20:20 TheOne: some application is using up lots of resources Apr 13 18:21:53 i did that, but i could not see any special Apr 13 18:22:19 htop is nicer Apr 13 18:22:25 but if i typed something i get houge cpu usage Apr 13 18:22:39 shows the long process names better Apr 13 18:24:04 SpeedEvil: scratch N-key rollover comment :-/ Fn: QROW4,QCOL5; Shift: QROW4,QCOL6; Ctrl: QROW4,QCOL4 -- means e.g. pressing Sh-Fn shorts QCOL6-5. "Z": QCOL5; "X": QCOL5 Apr 13 18:24:28 err "X": QCOL6 Apr 13 18:25:18 J:5 K:6 Apr 13 18:27:39 I.E pressing any 2 of shift,Fn, ctrl concurrently will inevitably break detection of the correct letter key for some keys Apr 13 18:29:37 DocScrutinizer: slightly annoying. as long as it works for many I suppose Apr 13 18:29:57 honestly, nokia managed to mess it up *thoroughly* :-((( - for the keyboard matrix Apr 13 18:31:58 * andrewfblack wonders why his newest blog post hasn't shown on planet yet Apr 13 18:32:17 some diodes for at least the 3 qualidier keys would have solved it for good Apr 13 18:32:58 * DocScrutinizer shakes head in disbelieve Apr 13 18:33:43 I mean, even a friggin schottky costs what? 2cent? Apr 13 18:35:20 seems to me like my arguments why Nokia needs to hire me are getting better and better Apr 13 18:35:43 DocScrutinizer: naah Apr 13 18:35:50 DocScrutinizer: software Apr 13 18:35:58 oh Apr 13 18:36:01 nvm Apr 13 18:36:04 you can't fix Apr 13 18:36:24 yeah Apr 13 18:36:37 2key rollover you can do in sw, N-key rollover needs hw Apr 13 18:36:55 and the way they do things seems to break number keys for x2x. Apr 13 18:38:04 Stskeeps: do you think it'd help to open tickets against hw-issues? Apr 13 18:42:23 dockside, Nokia should hire you, agreed. Apr 13 18:43:25 DocScrutinizer, Agreed, Nokia should hire you Apr 13 18:43:54 updoc Apr 13 18:43:55 :-) Apr 13 18:44:42 what's updoc? Apr 13 18:45:04 Sargun: huh? Apr 13 18:45:12 Can I make my n900 not go idle when I'm not using it? My download keeps pausng when the phone goes idle :-/ Apr 13 18:45:15 DocScrutinizer: doubt it Apr 13 18:45:46 dockside, Sorry, no, Nokia shouldn't hire you Apr 13 18:46:10 ehm, is Sargun a bot? Apr 13 18:46:17 Stskeeps: the question probably was too unprecise. Help what is the question Apr 13 18:46:28 DocScrutinizer, Didn't a lot of OM go work for Samsung? Apr 13 18:46:44 I don't think they would make too many changes other than to improve yields or increase safety. Apr 13 18:46:48 Sargun: not afaik Apr 13 18:46:56 DocScrutinizer: bugzilla is traditionally for sw bugs :/ Apr 13 18:46:59 DocScrutinizer, Where did most of the OM team go? Apr 13 18:47:11 everywhere Apr 13 18:47:16 * MohammadAG heard update Apr 13 18:47:44 or nowhere, oblivion? Apr 13 18:47:52 * RST38h almost made EMULib internal config menu accept mouse clicks Apr 13 18:48:59 anyone know how to make desktop keyboard numbers work right? Apr 13 18:49:44 (through x2x of course) Apr 13 18:50:04 let us see... Apr 13 18:50:38 how do i change the default pdf viewer to evince ? Apr 13 18:50:55 or default browser to firefox? Apr 13 18:51:20 err, I seem to remember mimetypes Apr 13 18:51:49 probably some gconftool crap once again Apr 13 18:54:48 btw, this broken live wallpaper deb in devel Apr 13 18:54:54 that's ours I guess Apr 13 18:55:04 "ours"? Apr 13 18:55:14 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/livewp/ Apr 13 18:55:36 what do you mean by ours though Apr 13 18:55:50 me, vlad and Tanya are working on it :) Apr 13 18:56:11 * lcuk tips hat Apr 13 18:56:16 then, yes it most likely is Apr 13 18:56:33 its on my device Apr 13 18:57:16 wazd, will the sky weather change eventually ? Apr 13 18:57:21 i see it does day/night Apr 13 18:58:06 it would be good to incorporate some of the omweather logic if you havent already Apr 13 18:58:18 lcuk: we'll see Apr 13 18:58:54 lcuk: we have this idea on board but we should fit into FRUCT contest timings Apr 13 18:59:02 lcuk: so maybe a bit later Apr 13 18:59:26 :) reasonable enough Apr 13 19:01:14 tick tock lcuk Apr 13 19:01:37 wazd: pretty nice (livewp) Apr 13 19:01:40 I'm hazarding a guess that this blogpost might interest you in this channel, http://wolfie.github.com/2010/04/13/fittss-outlaw.html Apr 13 19:01:52 javispedro: well, I hope so :D Apr 13 19:03:00 pupnik, yes \o Apr 13 19:03:09 javispedro: I can only judge by Vlad's descriptions and screenshots :D Apr 13 19:03:25 I was taking a look at the package yesterday to see how it was done Apr 13 19:03:30 * lcuk still finds this incredibly hard to believed personally Apr 13 19:03:41 :) Apr 13 19:04:47 what do you think then javispedro Apr 13 19:05:30 about? technical part -- seems doable. art -- pretty :) Apr 13 19:07:36 javispedro, not just art tho Apr 13 19:07:48 all sorts of practicalities occur Apr 13 19:23:18 hey people. I often ssh to the same connection with my n900 and it would be nice to have a shortcut on my desktop that invokes the terminal and directly ssh into the specified adress. Apr 13 19:23:52 So nothing else like startterminalcommand -x command ... like any linux terminal can do. But how to manually create a desktop shortcut? Apr 13 19:23:59 you know of .ssh/config, right? Apr 13 19:24:31 Nils^, theres a desktop wdget that can add buttons for commands such as you speak. i think at least Apr 13 19:24:40 but i cant think what its called ;) Apr 13 19:24:50 If you add something like "Host hjem" (newline) "Hostname foo.bar.org" (newline) "Username foobarbaz" Apr 13 19:24:57 you can just run "ssh hjem" which is what I do :) Apr 13 19:25:02 toresbe: the problem is not to shortcut the ssh command, I have a script for that. The desktop shortcut is the problem. Apr 13 19:25:11 the Icon, I mean. Apr 13 19:25:27 Yeah, I know, but I was making a second-best suggestion :) Apr 13 19:25:39 ok, I already have a second best, thanks :) Apr 13 19:27:39 Desktop Command Execution Widget Apr 13 19:27:59 I already have this installed... the description sounded so nice.. but why did it not do what I thought... second attempt then. Apr 13 19:28:32 but so far I have my n900 for one week now. Feels like home :) Apr 13 19:28:55 never used a smartphone before and I can't think of anything more smart than linux Apr 13 19:31:04 does nobody change some mimetype handlings ? i can not imagine the firefox user didnt change the default link handling Apr 13 19:32:21 and that is? Apr 13 19:32:38 hm, my operator has half-fixed 2g.. 2 bars Apr 13 19:32:54 better than none and having oto use 3g :) Apr 13 19:32:54 i like the idea of buying a harddrive preloaded with movies Apr 13 19:33:16 yes but then how much would that cost? Apr 13 19:33:42 joomster: the default maemo browser handles links Apr 13 19:34:22 e.g. if you got some email with a link and you click it, the maemo browser opens up Apr 13 19:34:39 but i want to change that to firefox/fennec Apr 13 19:34:46 [TheOne]: Use browser switchboard Apr 13 19:34:50 works perfectly Apr 13 19:35:05 and for pdf via filemanager? Apr 13 19:35:08 Any one having an error like "missing: libhildon1 (>=2.2.10)" when trying to install apps? Apr 13 19:35:34 ToJa92: can i change this via switchboard too? Apr 13 19:35:48 [TheOne]: No you can't.. it's only for browsers Apr 13 19:36:12 and I have no idea on how to change the other associations. Apr 13 19:36:12 okay, than i have to look under the hood of switchboard Apr 13 19:36:31 i found some link, but that doesnt work for me Apr 13 19:36:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15194 Apr 13 19:37:20 n900-dk, you're trying too install from -testing or -devel Apr 13 19:37:31 i changed text/html to fennec.desktop and pdf to evince.desktop but it didnt work Apr 13 19:37:54 ShadowJK: yes, is there a way to solve this? Apr 13 19:38:23 [n900-dk]: Try (as root): apt-get install --reinstall libhildon1 Apr 13 19:39:32 is 2.2.3 higher or lower than 2.2.10 ? Apr 13 19:39:46 lower Apr 13 19:40:00 Nokia just sent me an email where they talk (

) about "Interenet" on your phone Apr 13 19:40:03 then reinstall libhildon1 does not change anything because 2.2.3 is in the repository Apr 13 19:40:42 I cant stand using firefox/fennec, it's so laggy and slow Apr 13 19:40:47 i dont see how people could use it Apr 13 19:40:49 oh, then IIRC it's because the autobuilder is updated and uses newer dependencies(from PR 1.2) Apr 13 19:40:50 n900-dk, -devel is building apps for firmware 1.2. firmware 1.2 isn't released yet. So, the end-user solution is to not install stuff from -devel and wait for the next firmware upgrade Apr 13 19:40:50 i thought #n900 was rather quiet... Apr 13 19:41:08 [joomster]: I use it all the time Apr 13 19:41:12 or actually fennec Apr 13 19:41:22 it's faster than firefox 1.0 Apr 13 19:41:29 it did seem slow when i tried it Apr 13 19:41:33 chromium seems better Apr 13 19:41:40 you mean the beta? Apr 13 19:41:45 DocScrutinizer: aren't there spare keyboard lines? If so you could just brute force it - no need for diodes - one line per key Apr 13 19:41:46 [joomster]: Yeah Apr 13 19:41:47 but the ui is too desktop orientated right now Apr 13 19:41:47 beta builds? Apr 13 19:41:50 ok Apr 13 19:42:04 i don't mind microb though Apr 13 19:42:28 trem o_O Apr 13 19:42:28 I use it mostly for Weave... which keeps everything synced between my desktop computer, N900 and laptop computer Apr 13 19:44:29 lynx is fast. Apr 13 19:44:43 SpeedEvil_: seems they used all 8 x 8 Apr 13 19:44:52 ff from a desktop displaying via wifi is ok too. Apr 13 19:45:03 with the right extensions. Apr 13 19:45:48 rather sucks battery tho Apr 13 19:45:57 dunno why they didn't use 3 dedicated rows or cols for the 3 qualifier keys - I mean 5 x 8 = 40 still Apr 13 19:46:00 !e Apr 13 19:46:45 anyway 3 schottkys were a nobrainer Apr 13 19:52:48 Timbo: ? Apr 13 19:53:13 sorry, trem to me means http://tremulous.net/ :) Apr 13 19:56:25 So would anyone recommend installing the latest beta of fennec? Apr 13 19:57:15 [joomster]: If you use it regulary and I would recommend it... It some new stuff such as portrait mode too. Apr 13 19:57:20 It have some* Apr 13 19:57:42 I dont use it regularly because it tends to freeze/choke alot :S Apr 13 19:57:49 has it improved in those terms? Apr 13 19:58:14 yeah, sometimes the scrolling freezes though and the startup time is still kinda slow, but otherwise it's much better IMO Apr 13 19:59:48 so would this be the latest version? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/candidates/1.0.1rc1-candidates/build1/maemo/en-US/ Apr 13 19:59:58 march 30th Apr 13 20:00:18 no... they're built nightly so the newest one is today ;) Apr 13 20:00:29 do you have the mozilla FTP repository on your N900? Apr 13 20:01:40 I have the one that was added when i installed fennec from their web site :S Apr 13 20:01:50 oh Apr 13 20:01:51 well Apr 13 20:01:58 not the ftp one i suppose Apr 13 20:02:03 if you just want to try it out, here's the latest build: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/2010-04-13-02-mobile-trunk/ Apr 13 20:02:21 otherwise I could send you the repository details Apr 13 20:03:11 ill try this out for now. Will it play nicely with the 1.0 release or overwrite? Apr 13 20:03:30 I think it'll overwrite.. I'm not too sure Apr 13 20:03:38 if i install a deb using dpkg will it now show in the app manager for uninstallation? Apr 13 20:03:45 yes it should Apr 13 20:03:48 ok Apr 13 20:03:49 *not Apr 13 20:04:03 thanks, ill give it a shot Apr 13 20:04:18 if it doesn't the package name is fennec so it's easy to remove anyway Apr 13 20:04:22 Hi, I'm failing in building a C++ application which requires the pre-processor directive #include_next within Scratchbox... Does anybody knows if it works correctly for Maemo? Apr 13 20:05:24 SpeedEvil_: well, with a slightly less braindamaged matrix layout the whole qualifier key N-key rolover issue would have been fixed for good with absolutely 0 BOM change Apr 13 20:05:25 As #include_next is not being executed properly, it is failing on the compilation... By adding manually the content it works perfectly.... Apr 13 20:06:39 SpeedEvil_: also both the 2stage camkey as well as lockslider aren't affected by the matrix messup, and as such would make really nice qualifier keys ;-D Apr 13 20:06:42 fabinader, maybe ask in #maemo-dev Apr 13 20:07:06 I needed help just setting up esbox alone and no one ever responded :S Apr 13 20:07:08 OK, thanks! Apr 13 20:10:06 I wish Gwibber was available for Maemo Apr 13 20:12:20 so compile it Apr 13 20:13:23 http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=gwibber+maemo Apr 13 20:16:14 F.ex. Some bloke has started devedloping his own Facebook app Apr 13 20:16:26 Saw it on planet.maemo.org Apr 13 20:17:02 But gwibber would accomplish what he's after Apr 13 20:18:05 Well, i don't know rly what his plans are, but i think it would be beneficial to have a coordinated status updating clinet on Maemo Apr 13 20:18:34 SpeedEvil: have you seen any hw boad revision 'jumpers' ? Apr 13 20:19:13 SpeedEvil: (thinking about N900i) Apr 13 20:20:40 i'm trying to start app in armel target Apr 13 20:20:57 i have my xserver running, and exported DISPLAY Apr 13 20:20:58 DocScrutinizer: no. You mean to allow sw detection of hw version? Apr 13 20:21:08 (gwibber) facebrick? Apr 13 20:21:10 but when i start application nothing appears on display Apr 13 20:21:27 ( and when i kill xserver i get error can't connect to xserver ) Apr 13 20:21:32 SpeedEvil: yep, like on GTA02 Apr 13 20:21:34 I secured the game rights to the highest rated film in theaters (according to rotten tomatoes). :P Apr 13 20:21:45 i think you can only compile with armel target Apr 13 20:21:58 well, i should get something on xserver Apr 13 20:22:07 not just blank screen Apr 13 20:23:22 after trying to connect my phone to that xserver i get something Apr 13 20:23:24 Actually everybody has the rights, but I've started working on one with a bit of help from the director. Apr 13 20:23:31 SpeedEvil: probably could be accomplished via IMEI or SER# lookup table Apr 13 20:23:37 very nice open source artwork. Apr 13 20:24:27 good luck dmj726_n900 Apr 13 20:24:48 Sita Sings the Blues is a good movie. Apr 13 20:26:35 s/ser#/S\/N/ Apr 13 20:27:08 http://wepad.mobi/en shiny Apr 13 20:28:16 guys, what do you say at samsung galaxy s Apr 13 20:28:19 and at htc desire? Apr 13 20:28:27 hmm, the 'I'm no iPad killer' metoo Apr 13 20:30:25 what should we say? Maybe 'Hi desire! Hide, here comes my N900!" :-P Apr 13 20:31:13 xarchiver pushed and fixed Apr 13 20:31:17 night :) Apr 13 20:38:47 hi Apr 13 20:38:54 anyone like populous? Apr 13 20:39:23 i want a clone that can play with stylus Apr 13 20:39:35 like the nds version Apr 13 20:39:54 is there source avaliable of hildon-input-methods? Apr 13 20:40:48 let me know if you want to make this populous engine idea. i can do both coding and graphics Apr 13 20:43:03 wall[e]: are there any free sources for the needed graphics? Apr 13 20:44:13 heh :-) Apr 13 20:44:55 I wonder if it's not possible to have a modified domesheet to integrate the diodes into the spring domes Apr 13 20:45:58 what would this game be like? Apr 13 20:46:17 pupnik, no, but I could remake them. Apr 13 20:47:09 I'm quite ok with blender. Apr 13 20:47:22 i am surprised there arent populous clones Apr 13 20:47:35 can be played with emulator though Apr 13 20:47:40 but stylus won't work Apr 13 20:48:14 which emu? amiga, dos, atarist? Apr 13 20:48:22 ds? snes? Apr 13 20:48:49 snes and picodrive i think Apr 13 20:49:06 well, i can't remember how many version there are Apr 13 20:49:16 too many populous versions Apr 13 20:49:33 (to remember) Apr 13 20:52:41 wall[e]: which version of populous did you prefer? Apr 13 20:53:03 pupnik, any basic version I don't know Apr 13 20:53:19 but I like powermonger Apr 13 20:53:33 prefer for playing or for cloning? Apr 13 20:53:53 the basic version answer was for cloning. Apr 13 20:55:39 also look for a gnu go client Apr 13 20:56:09 i wrote one, look very nice but can't easily be ported :S Apr 13 20:56:19 http://freepop.sourceforge.net/ Apr 13 20:56:30 thanks! Apr 13 20:56:59 promising Apr 13 20:57:07 thanks again! Apr 13 20:58:48 graphics look horrible but may be ai could be useful Apr 13 20:59:12 s/ai/simulator/ Apr 13 20:59:12 wall[e] meant: graphics look horrible but may be simulator could be useful Apr 13 20:59:36 thanks. Apr 13 20:59:51 i think i found the problem with all caps in chromium Apr 13 21:04:01 * noobmonk3y waves Apr 13 21:07:09 hi Apr 13 21:07:41 I am curious if any parts of the maemo 5 GUI are closed source Apr 13 21:09:33 depends how much you pay Apr 13 21:09:44 if you can afford to buy nokia then everything is open Apr 13 21:09:48 lol Apr 13 21:10:04 so I take that as a yes Apr 13 21:10:25 some are Apr 13 21:10:28 mostly apps Apr 13 21:10:30 like modes Apr 13 21:10:35 modest* or camera app Apr 13 21:10:45 media player as well Apr 13 21:11:16 I ask because someone was complaining you could only have one ringtone for all your contacts.. and I was thinking, well if it's open source that should be easy to fix Apr 13 21:12:12 who was using that distcc in scratchbox? Apr 13 21:14:06 anyone know of an IR jammer app? Apr 13 21:14:38 or know what the dev node is for the ir device? Apr 13 21:14:43 need a better mail client Apr 13 21:15:09 modest mess up with thai language and gmail Apr 13 21:16:27 wonder why modest doesn't have source? the app is too primitive. Apr 13 21:17:43 wall[e]: this argument applies to a lot of the closedsource Nokia stuff Apr 13 21:18:02 wall[e]: you in thailand? Apr 13 21:18:12 er, modest is in bsd as i am looking at it from modest.garage.maemo.org Apr 13 21:18:19 pupnik, yes, don't ask about politics Apr 13 21:18:38 we still have beaches and islands, welcome! Apr 13 21:19:33 anyone know the device node for the n900 ir port? Apr 13 21:19:52 * pupnik wants to visit Apr 13 21:20:21 :) Apr 13 21:20:30 ok, no more excuse to fix this thing. Apr 13 21:20:51 not to* Apr 13 21:21:04 PhonicUK: find /dev -name '*cir*' Apr 13 21:21:29 maybe also /sys Apr 13 21:21:36 iirc Apr 13 21:21:40 ok ty Apr 13 21:22:25 no results Apr 13 21:23:48 hmm, thought I seen it yesterday Apr 13 21:23:56 wall[e]: see if you can get freepop to build for 900. maybe some other people can join in Apr 13 21:24:13 /dev is reasonably small Apr 13 21:24:42 i tried *ir*, still couldn't find it Apr 13 21:25:08 sorry no device here atm to check Apr 13 21:25:13 ok Apr 13 21:25:29 if you like, then pastebin a ls -l of /dev Apr 13 21:25:51 pupnik, I'll try. I am also interested in the isometric area creator engine, so can be used with simcity 2000 and populous etc. Apr 13 21:26:07 hmmm if i need to extend a python command over one line, is there a command character to add to allow it? like a _ ? Apr 13 21:26:19 looking at freepop graphics they didn't have the city image and that disappointed me a bit Apr 13 21:26:42 kk 1 tick Apr 13 21:27:12 wonder if 1ghz overclocking will allow me to play restaurant city. Apr 13 21:28:01 pupnik, i'll try porting it, at least i'll rewrite a useful engine, definitely.. Apr 13 21:28:36 22:59 < jacekowski> i think i found the problem with all caps in chromium aSIMULAt~ Apr 13 21:28:46 Be careful. Apr 13 21:28:48 What was the problem? Apr 13 21:28:58 Coding your application better might actually void your warranty. Apr 13 21:29:11 but better fix modest Apr 13 21:29:41 wall[e]: overclocking will eat your CPU. Not suddently but continuously Apr 13 21:30:26 DocScrutinizer, thanks Apr 13 21:31:37 hiya does anyone here know how to delete stations from the FM radio app on the N900? Apr 13 21:32:01 wall[e]: even 600MHz isn't considered safe for prolonged use. And anything faster than that reduces your device lifetime from decades to years to moonths to days Apr 13 21:32:03 or am I in the wrong place? Apr 13 21:32:13 gah it wont paste properly Apr 13 21:32:40 whats that app that you redirect output to and it pastebins for you? Apr 13 21:32:58 DocScrutinizer, well, may be it will last long enough so I may trade it away for newer device Apr 13 21:33:30 flash back to older kernel so they dont know it. Apr 13 21:33:37 old* Apr 13 21:33:55 j/k well i don't know Apr 13 21:34:22 wall[e]: you probably will get visit from Olaf and his friends ;-P Apr 13 21:34:28 until I heard someone really have trouble with the cpu i'll consider that it really is dangerous Apr 13 21:34:30 hehe Apr 13 21:35:20 Hi. Whats wrong when i try put data to my N900. It has 25gb free space and i have copied 12gb data what to move on N900 then it says "Device is full, try deleting files" or something like that Apr 13 21:36:06 iPeter-: df -h Apr 13 21:36:29 so many files? Apr 13 21:36:37 or a single 12gb data? Apr 13 21:38:47 wall[e]: btw we'll always find ways to tell you overclocked the device. Restoring original kernel won't help Apr 13 21:40:21 Whew, too much flying. Apr 13 21:40:29 DocScrutinizer, really, how? Apr 13 21:40:39 anyone using the FM radio? Apr 13 21:40:52 wall[e]: the point is you'll never know how Apr 13 21:41:58 nite all, sweet dreams Apr 13 21:42:03 I put radio 2 in 3 times *sob* and I've no idea how to remove them *grieve* I've looked flr a config file but can't find it *wail* Apr 13 21:42:16 wall[e]: Many files, but some files can be large Apr 13 21:42:16 nite! Apr 13 21:43:11 I don't know, try to tar them into a single file? Apr 13 21:43:29 what df says? Apr 13 21:43:45 in terminal Apr 13 21:44:18 wall[e]: do you think he'll tell you, after he ignored me? Apr 13 21:44:28 or you copy into /home/user and not /home/user/MyDocs? Apr 13 21:44:55 evening Apr 13 21:45:05 DocScrutinizer, yeh, so i add in the terminal part Apr 13 21:45:12 or he didn't watch the screen often Apr 13 21:45:35 or we can flood this chan with useless speculations Apr 13 21:45:42 :) Apr 13 21:46:07 O_o Apr 13 21:46:09 should I set passwd for user? Apr 13 21:46:24 flood it, flood it! Apr 13 21:48:22 ~lart TalkTalk Apr 13 21:48:22 * infobot runs at TalkTalk with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut Apr 13 21:48:29 wall[e]: well if you want to ssh to user, then probably yes Apr 13 21:48:53 DocScrutinizer, I always ssh as root lol Apr 13 21:49:12 DocScrutinizer, already have password for root Apr 13 21:49:31 jsut wonder if setting passwd for user won't break anything Apr 13 21:50:25 lady gaga should make a song about "lardman" Apr 13 21:50:28 * Twoey wanders off wondering about FM station deleting Apr 13 21:50:33 nite! Apr 13 21:50:59 pupnik: oi! ;) Apr 13 21:54:33 random hint: if you use maemo-optify-deb, ensure you also use fakeroot. Apr 13 21:56:23 ty Apr 13 21:56:31 btw. that flasher thingy Apr 13 21:56:39 if i fuc*** up my / Apr 13 21:56:51 hmm? Apr 13 21:57:00 is it possible to don't flash MyDocuments? Apr 13 21:57:18 or does it flash whole thing? Apr 13 21:57:24 jacekowski: / and MyDocs are completely different things Apr 13 21:57:59 i've never tried flasher before so i want to know does it flash everything or just / Apr 13 21:58:13 MyDocs is on eMMC and gets flashed by *EMMC*.bin img Apr 13 21:58:51 rootfs is flashing everything except /home Apr 13 21:59:00 and opt? Apr 13 21:59:04 nah Apr 13 21:59:16 /home/opt Apr 13 21:59:24 you mean nah as it's flashing opt or nah as not flashing? Apr 13 21:59:36 glxgears for N900 anyone? Apr 13 21:59:47 FIQ: nah Apr 13 21:59:48 It's flashing everything except home Apr 13 21:59:54 meh Apr 13 21:59:56 Anyone here use Sygic maps on the n900 and know how I can start it from the CLI? Apr 13 21:59:57 Opt isn't /opet Apr 13 22:00:04 it's /home/opt Apr 13 22:00:07 It keeps crashing on me and I want to see what the error message is :( Apr 13 22:00:09 i know that Apr 13 22:00:20 could i test it another way? Apr 13 22:00:25 Jef91: i'm using sygic Apr 13 22:01:06 I just bought and installed it and the darn thing crashes everytime I try to load it Apr 13 22:01:21 load maps Apr 13 22:01:39 your maps have to be in MyDocs before you run it Apr 13 22:02:02 and installation software for sygic tells about it Apr 13 22:02:07 jacekowski: anyway optified pkgs have links from /* to /home/opt and those links will vanish. So probably your /home/opt is rendered useless Apr 13 22:02:17 so, have you bought it in torrent shop? Apr 13 22:02:30 jacekowski Thanks - I don't have a windows computer so I had to use the .zip thanks for the info Apr 13 22:03:26 so folder Maps that came with your torrent has to go to /home/user/MyDocs/Maps Apr 13 22:03:36 night all Apr 13 22:03:41 and for keygen you have to use .mlm file that came with your map Apr 13 22:03:43 jacekowski I actually bought it thanks Apr 13 22:03:45 not the one that's in same folder Apr 13 22:03:48 n8 Laiska Apr 13 22:04:01 sorry Apr 13 22:04:54 nn everyone Apr 13 22:05:14 i would really like to see tomtom on maemo Apr 13 22:05:20 esspecialy that tomtom is running linux Apr 13 22:05:33 so it wouldn't be too hard to port it to maemo Apr 13 22:06:00 PhonicUK: you found cir? Apr 13 22:06:00 is sygic worth buying it? Apr 13 22:06:04 no Apr 13 22:06:09 i found out today that the tv here runs linux :| Apr 13 22:06:20 hah Apr 13 22:06:28 DocScrutinizer, nope. Apr 13 22:06:31 i wouldn't be suprised if lot of devices run linux Apr 13 22:06:49 as it's simpler to use working OS and write minimal amount of code Apr 13 22:06:50 PhonicUK: I just thought maybe LIRC is installing that device Apr 13 22:06:57 and add little bit more expensive hardware Apr 13 22:07:00 couldn't find a way to pastebin from cli Apr 13 22:07:04 i c Apr 13 22:08:46 are you looking for the cir /dev node? Apr 13 22:08:51 modprobe lirc_rx51 Apr 13 22:08:52 install patebinit Apr 13 22:09:11 javispedro: hooray :-D Apr 13 22:09:20 then /dev/lirc iirc Apr 13 22:09:20 how can "checking for updates" take so long? Apr 13 22:09:35 DocScrutinizer: I'm sick of it, with it being tx only and so on :( Apr 13 22:09:58 javispedro: no way to cue that Apr 13 22:10:05 yeah :( Apr 13 22:10:07 there's no good RX Apr 13 22:10:52 iPeter-: repos are slooooooooooooow sometimes Apr 13 22:11:26 Ic Apr 13 22:11:47 PhonicUK: you noticed that, do you? Apr 13 22:11:51 Update for Chromium (: Apr 13 22:13:02 ah, 666 thanks on tmo! Apr 13 22:13:57 frals: we know where you're coming from :-P Apr 13 22:14:16 :D Apr 13 22:14:30 /dev/lirc0 Apr 13 22:14:57 Hi there. on talk.maemo.org I have found once a tip how to make terminal start in fullscreen mode by default. Cant find it now. Can somebody help me please? :) Apr 13 22:15:08 javispedro: I could walk you thru the steps to get a ultrasimple IR-RX plug working on N900 Apr 13 22:15:35 via mic/headphones plug even Apr 13 22:15:42 yes Apr 13 22:15:44 dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/lirc0 bs=1k Apr 13 22:15:49 ir jammer! Apr 13 22:16:00 i have a much better one: sunlight Apr 13 22:17:27 well, booztime Apr 13 22:17:34 hehe Apr 13 22:17:42 What is best mediaplayer for Maemo 5? Apr 13 22:17:52 the buiiiltin one Apr 13 22:17:58 there's just BS and crap Apr 13 22:17:58 it sucks Apr 13 22:18:13 your choice Apr 13 22:18:16 exactly Apr 13 22:18:30 why does it suck? Apr 13 22:18:41 seems adequate to me Apr 13 22:18:51 Was jacekowski that guy who built chromium for n900 Apr 13 22:18:56 (pink floyd) "got 95 mediaplayers like BS to chose from" Apr 13 22:20:20 i use mplayer from console Apr 13 22:20:22 lol Apr 13 22:20:30 I'd use butterflys Apr 13 22:20:59 hmmm Apr 13 22:21:12 but i am waiting for vlc Apr 13 22:21:13 i wonder what irssi would be like on here... Apr 13 22:21:25 deal better with subtitle Apr 13 22:21:35 imho Apr 13 22:21:57 no hardware codecs tho Apr 13 22:23:13 nn all Apr 13 22:23:52 g'nite Apr 13 22:24:38 this n900 just lost left speaker Apr 13 22:25:02 pupnik: aha, welcome to the club! Apr 13 22:25:08 *starts to worry that it is common* Apr 13 22:25:27 pupnik, check you didnt just go dear in one ear Apr 13 22:25:33 deaf Apr 13 22:25:39 * lcuk went blind Apr 13 22:26:58 how big is the club javispedro ? Apr 13 22:27:12 two members and one founder (retired, me) Apr 13 22:28:54 i was being naughty and playing music loud with speaker covered by finger Apr 13 22:29:06 i am not sure if it has anything to do Apr 13 22:29:21 there's no gradual degradation, just instant mute Apr 13 22:29:49 my left speaker was mute after a full night of the n900... being off. Apr 13 22:30:11 did a wire come loose? Apr 13 22:30:32 shaking it didn't help (I was here when I noticed that and played a bit here, must be on the logs :D ) Apr 13 22:30:34 alsamixer looks normal Apr 13 22:31:55 next steps are: reflashing, watching it does not help either, then calling in nokia care Apr 13 22:32:27 does headphone still work ok javispedro ? Apr 13 22:32:30 yeah Apr 13 22:32:50 note that I sent mine to repair, the one I have now is fine Apr 13 22:32:54 perhaps this is what that speaker protection is for Apr 13 22:32:57 (headphone was also working ok in the broken one) Apr 13 22:33:29 pupnik: considering that afaik I was the first to experience it in this channel and I _never_ ever disabled pulseaudio (you know me) ... Apr 13 22:33:40 yes i know Apr 13 22:38:21 I'm experiencing a qemu crash building a recent version of xulrunner, what's the best way to diagnose/handle this? Apr 13 22:38:43 hi, I'm facing some problems with icd2. I need to scan for IAPS, but icd2 DBus-based API is not working (or I'm passing wrong parameters). Does anyone have a link to an example? Apr 13 22:42:54 how evil would be to have postinstallation notification in .deb package Apr 13 22:43:23 murder-inducing evil Apr 13 22:43:48 shame that maemo.org doesn't have package download statistics Apr 13 22:48:53 * javispedro also wonders some icd2 things Apr 13 22:49:05 "no module supporting scanning found" hmpf. Apr 13 22:49:15 these maemo DBus-based APIs have just some few words of documentation :( Apr 13 22:58:08 Hey im trying to install chromium from repos and i get a error: "Unable to install chromium". Why cant i install it? Apr 13 22:59:14 You are not shiny. Apr 13 22:59:35 oh god Apr 13 22:59:50 :I Apr 13 23:00:01 another random note: take care when banging head against keyboard after reading certain snippets of code Apr 13 23:00:09 head hurts later Apr 13 23:00:32 So non help for this? Apr 13 23:03:02 hmm Apr 13 23:03:13 i tought i bought a phone for this amount of money Apr 13 23:03:22 it's actually still a developer toy Apr 13 23:04:10 no multipe profiles, it does not switch automatically between 3g and 2g, it does not automatically turn off wifi, i can't even have messages on my normal phone screen ... Apr 13 23:04:20 it just is not finished, will it ever? Apr 13 23:04:32 someone decided those features are useless Apr 13 23:04:42 dont get me wrong i like the device and its potential but its just not up to par with any regular phone ... Apr 13 23:05:01 and the battery is draining like that in merely a day Apr 13 23:05:46 possibly because you try too hard to powersave. 4 days with wi-fi enabled. Apr 13 23:06:08 i used it today pretty common: Apr 13 23:06:29 bluetooth in the car for my carkit, made a couple of calls probably left the bluetooth on during the day Apr 13 23:06:34 received few sms and calls today Apr 13 23:06:52 surfed over wifi and 3g like not even half an hour in total Apr 13 23:07:02 end result: the device is 60% empty Apr 13 23:07:11 and that after a full recharge last night Apr 13 23:08:20 also talking about profiles ... Apr 13 23:08:59 on my E65 before i had a time based profile switcher (go silent at 22h, go offline at 24h, get online back around 6am) Apr 13 23:09:05 and for example cell location Apr 13 23:09:17 when i am at the cinema my cell goes into vibrate only Apr 13 23:09:31 all these things i would have expected to be quite 'normal' on this device Apr 13 23:09:44 not even figured a descent way to make more than 2 profiles right now ... Apr 13 23:15:40 Well i atleast knew those stuff before i bought my N900 Apr 13 23:19:25 was trying to find one to test Apr 13 23:19:33 but could not even buy it in my country Apr 13 23:19:54 asked around in 4 shops which contacted their meta-dealers Apr 13 23:20:00 and it was not available Apr 13 23:20:06 apparently they are but very rare Apr 13 23:20:20 anyway got it from the UK (had to go there anyway for a business trip) Apr 13 23:21:04 but ok i'm not all that unhappy with the device, only afraid i will have to pay someone to get the software for it developed right Apr 13 23:21:18 and that for a phone of +500 eur Apr 13 23:21:40 they want to compete with android they will have to write better software and fast! Apr 13 23:21:59 Gh0sty: You shouldve know: N900 isnt a phone Apr 13 23:22:23 It is a mobile computer which has included a phone function. Apr 13 23:23:44 yes yes i know the history Apr 13 23:23:51 but it should at least be power saving Apr 13 23:24:02 switch off 3g and wifi if no apps use it anymore Apr 13 23:24:06 Well true.. Apr 13 23:24:13 Maybe someday in future :d Apr 13 23:24:24 yes but i'm afraid of that 'someday' Apr 13 23:24:31 then we are going the apple way Apr 13 23:24:39 in maybe a year from now it will be actually usable Apr 13 23:24:43 But you can dl apps and turn em off manually Apr 13 23:24:44 that makes it a laugh Apr 13 23:24:58 turn em off manually Apr 13 23:25:03 sounds like writing on paper Apr 13 23:25:08 its ANCIENT! Apr 13 23:25:10 :P Apr 13 23:25:25 i bought this device to suit my lifestyle Apr 13 23:25:40 on the road, always available getiing things done quickly and easily Apr 13 23:25:40 Well yeah, i did too and it suits it pretty well.. Apr 13 23:25:44 as I said, someone considered your feature requests useless Apr 13 23:25:55 because close wifi on idle where features of diablo Apr 13 23:26:07 (I personally consider that one useless too) Apr 13 23:26:28 why? Apr 13 23:26:37 you like a battery consuming mode all the time on? Apr 13 23:26:48 wi-fi is hardly feature consuming Apr 13 23:26:52 *battery Apr 13 23:26:58 Gh0sty: Isnt there in repos some IdleConnection application? Apr 13 23:27:01 as I said, 4 days with wi-fi on Apr 13 23:27:15 Ideally if your AP doesn't suck battery consumption should be very low with low traffic Apr 13 23:27:22 If your AP sucks, however. . . . Apr 13 23:27:33 throw it. 40$ bucks for one that doesn't suck Apr 13 23:28:32 * javispedro is impressed at how many people fail to test that and instead concentrate on stuff that gives minor improvements in battery life, like smartreflex... Apr 13 23:31:31 javispedro: what is smartreflex? Apr 13 23:31:36 anyway going to bed now Apr 13 23:31:38 nooooooooooothing Apr 13 23:31:43 its 1h30 here Apr 13 23:31:51 nn Apr 13 23:32:10 nite Apr 13 23:32:10 here it is 2:30am Apr 13 23:32:12 nn Apr 13 23:32:13 :p Apr 13 23:32:25 Gh0sty: i get two days standby from my N900 with it connected to my WiFi all the time Apr 13 23:33:42 I get about a day with xchat on, maybe 4-5 without. Apr 13 23:33:58 (idle, connected to wifi with powersave) Apr 13 23:34:17 you broke my 95 hour record or is that still a "interpolation"? :) Apr 13 23:35:58 Has anybody done any testing with 125 vs 250? Apr 13 23:37:03 theory says that will only help music playing use cases and the like Apr 13 23:40:15 whats a good stero headset to get for the n900 Apr 13 23:40:46 Stskeeps: could you check "Weird battery (?) problem bricked N900" on [maemo-users], please Apr 13 23:41:06 you read -users????? Apr 13 23:42:05 hi Apr 13 23:42:43 anybody here who can help me with modest Apr 13 23:44:20 what's wrong with modest? Apr 13 23:44:47 is there any point to OC n900? Does it make computer really fast? does it drain alot battery time etc? Apr 13 23:45:12 Actually, i'd overclock it to 800 mhz Apr 13 23:45:16 but im waiting for pr 1.2 Apr 13 23:45:41 It doesnt make it super fast, it makes tasks finish quicker / UI feel faster/snappier Apr 13 23:46:14 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/weird_battery---problem_bricked_n900/ Apr 13 23:46:21 Do i lose guarantee of OC? Apr 13 23:46:30 YES Apr 13 23:46:42 definitely Apr 13 23:47:38 Seems to me that the ebay user he bought it from had a bad battery, probably not legit Apr 13 23:47:45 and it might have damaged the n900 Apr 13 23:48:27 [2010-04-13 23:29:41] wall[e]: overclocking will eat your CPU. Not suddently but continuously [2010-04-13 23:32:00] wall[e]: even 600MHz isn't considered safe for prolonged use. And anything faster than that reduces your device lifetime from decades to years to moonths to days [2010-04-13 23:38:46] wall[e]: btw we'll always find ways to tell you overclocked the device. Restoring original Apr 13 23:48:28 kernel won't help Apr 13 23:48:56 Most "fake" batteries dont have the circuitry to shut off the battery in case if there's a short or a cell gets damaged Apr 13 23:49:01 i mean a fuse Apr 13 23:50:06 DocScrutinizer: Damn. So if OC bricks it, you have to deal with it. damn, not going to try :E Apr 13 23:50:20 my modest is not working any more Apr 13 23:50:27 which is bare suprising Apr 13 23:50:35 How is it not working. Is it not syncing your email? Apr 13 23:50:37 barely Apr 13 23:50:49 it's not starting anymore Apr 13 23:50:59 Does your web browser start up? Apr 13 23:51:07 MicroB Apr 13 23:51:31 in fact i actually think it's not located where it belongs Apr 13 23:51:34 microB is fine Apr 13 23:51:45 Whats this, tried to update. "Unable to update 'Mapper' Application packages missing: libhildon1, libpixman Apr 13 23:51:53 i might accidently have moved it Apr 13 23:52:23 joomster, do you know how to reinstall modest Apr 13 23:52:28 (or tinymail) Apr 13 23:53:54 is there a way to reinstall 'system applications' in general? Apr 13 23:54:04 that'd be really helpful if anyone could tell me... Apr 13 23:54:37 cant you do an apt-get check? Apr 13 23:54:59 see if the package broke Apr 13 23:55:08 where can I exactly get that? Apr 13 23:55:12 I dont know what it's called though. modest-something something Apr 13 23:55:12 or how Apr 13 23:55:57 do you have a link or anything where to inform myself? Apr 13 23:56:49 using xterm, get root access Apr 13 23:56:52 sudo gainroot Apr 13 23:56:57 then type Apr 13 23:57:01 i tried that Apr 13 23:57:04 apt-get check Apr 13 23:57:08 i'm not in rd mode i guess Apr 13 23:57:09 oh, alright Apr 13 23:58:00 do i have to flash my device first? Apr 13 23:59:09 timothy_: install pkg rootsh Apr 14 00:00:07 without 'sudo gainroot' gets you some silly comment about RDmode, and no root access Apr 14 00:00:16 right I remember I read that somewhere, alright i do that quickly Apr 14 00:09:24 alright that took ages, but I have it now Apr 14 00:10:20 what does apt-get check bring me? Apr 14 00:11:29 lol Apr 14 00:11:29 bullet`: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/13/inside-apples-new-macbook-pro/ Apr 14 00:11:41 i just noted that ipv6 is yet another diablo feature missing in fremantle Apr 14 00:11:51 I guess ipv6 didn't unroll as planned, eh... ? heheh Apr 14 00:12:01 hey crashanddie .. yea they r out and ready to buy, with cori5 Apr 14 00:12:19 docscrutinizer: are you still there? Apr 14 00:12:22 bullet`: so, it really depends what you want to do Apr 14 00:12:32 yea Apr 14 00:12:38 bullet`: the 13" has 10h of uptime, the 15 and 17" 8-9h Apr 14 00:12:40 hmm partially Apr 14 00:12:43 i was just reading it on cnet news Apr 14 00:13:16 13" is with a cor2, 15 & 17 offers cori5 Apr 14 00:13:23 do you have any suggestions about how to find out why my email app is broken Apr 14 00:13:28 the base model for 15" is $1800 Apr 14 00:14:02 bullet`: The batteries are rated to 1000 charging cycles, so roughly 5 years for most people. You can have it replaced for $130 (which, including the price of the battery isn't that major) Apr 14 00:14:02 timothy_: sorry, no really competent advice here Apr 14 00:14:27 a'ight, thx though Apr 14 00:15:02 is it usual that the warrantee for mbps is global, or will i have to ask the place where i buy it from? Apr 14 00:15:30 I don't know, I bought it in the US, never had any issues, so never had to bring it in Apr 14 00:15:52 aha Apr 14 00:16:41 "The AppleCare Protection Plan provides global repair coverage, both parts and labor, from Apple-authorized technicians around the world." Apr 14 00:17:01 So you get one year of international warranty, that you can extend to 3 years if you pay extra Apr 14 00:17:13 timothy_: there should be some pals around here who actually know how to reinstall modest Apr 14 00:17:57 yeah I'd like to get to know some :) Apr 14 00:18:23 hmm...I'm finding that clutter isn't showing anything in scratchbox Apr 14 00:18:47 The windows are just transparent Apr 14 00:18:47 anybody here who knows how to fix a broken email app on maemo? Apr 14 00:20:35 timothy_: call 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3! Apr 14 00:21:46 who's number is that? Apr 14 00:22:05 hmm, you don't watch the IT crowd, do you? Apr 14 00:22:21 it's the new more convenient emergency services number Apr 14 00:22:26 sorry no Apr 14 00:22:30 hehe Apr 14 00:23:11 one one eight nine nine nine... Apr 14 00:23:15 damn tune Apr 14 00:23:19 must google it Apr 14 00:23:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ Apr 14 00:24:37 timothy_: ignore crashanddie, he forgot to take his pills today Apr 14 00:24:55 oy! Apr 14 00:25:01 It was just some banter! Apr 14 00:25:10 even javispedro got it Apr 14 00:25:15 I assumed so Apr 14 00:26:06 three! Apr 14 00:26:39 amazing timothy_, you're already on Google Apr 14 00:26:58 so no modest cracks around i guess? Apr 14 00:27:01 13 Apr 2010 ... timothy_, joomster, do you know how to reinstall modest, 02:52. timothy_, (or tinymail), Apr 14 00:28:31 so? Apr 14 00:29:06 * DocScrutinizer would like to know as well how to reinstall one of the maemo-basics Apr 14 00:29:31 without flashing a fiasco image Apr 14 00:30:07 quoting a question doesnn't really help, it seems to me Apr 14 00:30:38 stfw? Apr 14 00:31:00 hfzusgg Apr 14 00:31:26 i posted it on the board and one reply was a full flash of the eMMC and rootfs Apr 14 00:31:32 I actually didn't want to go that far Apr 14 00:31:58 rofllmaoturriuscunus Apr 14 00:32:19 scratch the eMMC part. The flash-rootfs part is the only official method it seems Apr 14 00:32:41 timothy_: if you don't want to reflash (which is what I suggest), you should start from trying to guess what breaked it Apr 14 00:33:25 I might have unintentiously moved it manually Apr 14 00:33:29 don't ask me how Apr 14 00:33:33 what Apr 14 00:33:54 I have a .modest directory on my memory card Apr 14 00:33:58 aha Apr 14 00:34:16 could you tell me where the program is originally located? Apr 14 00:34:55 what did you move? Apr 14 00:35:01 also, did you do anything as root? Apr 14 00:35:19 yeah, it's actually hard to spot a fishy part, when you don't have a known-good reference Apr 14 00:35:43 nothing as root, when i was connected to my laptop Apr 14 00:35:46 javispedro: no he didn't, as he had no rootsh Apr 14 00:36:08 so by definition, reinstalling modest will do NOTHING, so stop asking for it and try to remember what you moved. Apr 14 00:36:57 seems to me you moved some files from your home to the uSD. And accidentally the .modest/ as well Apr 14 00:37:31 still without that modest shouldn't refuse to boot Apr 14 00:37:40 is it true that .modest doesn't actually contain the program but just the mail folders and stuff Apr 14 00:37:50 so that's what i basically have moved Apr 14 00:37:51 I'd suggest you move .modest back to your ~ Apr 14 00:38:03 timothy_: yes Apr 14 00:38:23 where is your .modest folder located? Apr 14 00:38:33 and modest_the_app won't probably work when this folder is missing Apr 14 00:38:48 sorry I got no system here to check Apr 14 00:38:54 DocScrutinizer: it should work... Apr 14 00:39:02 probably it belongs in your homedir Apr 14 00:40:00 also, i reupdated (firmwarewise) my device yesterday and it automatically moved the .modest folder to my memory card Apr 14 00:40:08 mv /media/*/.modest ~/.modest Apr 14 00:40:14 er.. Apr 14 00:40:18 wait before doing such a thing Apr 14 00:40:24 modest does not move ~ to memory card Apr 14 00:40:33 modest CREATES a .modest directory in the memory card on every boot Apr 14 00:40:48 WHAT?? Apr 14 00:40:56 after the flash i was able to restart the mail app, but only for setting up a mail account Apr 14 00:41:49 * DocScrutinizer sighs and heads out for a fresh Pils from fridge Apr 14 00:44:11 WTF?! modest creates folders on my uSD Apr 14 00:44:33 what a shit is THAT please? Apr 14 00:44:35 on maemo two apps do it Apr 14 00:44:35 how big are my chances the 1.2pr will help us out? Apr 14 00:44:39 modest and ham Apr 14 00:44:54 timothy_: if you reflash, 100%. if you don't reflash, 5%. Apr 14 00:45:20 what does it mean: to flash only 5%? Apr 14 00:45:34 after the flash i was able to restart the mail app, but only for setting up a mail account Apr 14 00:46:00 so what's broken is your setup, not modest! Apr 14 00:46:21 hm, so did he reflash already? this changes it indeed. Apr 14 00:46:27 i mean the initial mail account setup thing, where you state your provider and stuff Apr 14 00:47:23 acrually I lost track Apr 14 00:47:28 i reflashed to 3.2010... something Apr 14 00:47:42 which i already had Apr 14 00:47:59 aah a freudian. don't be so crual to me :-P Apr 14 00:48:21 what? Apr 14 00:49:06 timothy_: sorry, your story is getting to a state of confusion I can't follow ATM Apr 14 00:49:31 too late and sleepy and too many errors in my own code Apr 14 00:50:13 * javispedro is thinking that very profound question "how did this ever work?" Apr 14 00:50:18 i stated a post on the board. you might want to read it tomorrow Apr 14 00:50:27 maemo-optify won't install... Apr 14 00:50:31 called recovering email app Apr 14 00:50:40 timothy_: try to locate all .modest folders on your system, check which one has the most and newest files, and copy that one to your homedir Apr 14 00:50:41 ...in scratchbox Apr 14 00:50:48 Has anyone else had this issue? Apr 14 00:52:01 thank you so far, see you later Apr 14 00:53:16 timothy_: or wait, don't you have a backup? Apr 14 00:54:26 aha Apr 14 00:54:40 god libicd-network-wpa supplicant working again, on n900 Apr 14 00:56:06 time to end this hacking session, gnite gentleman Apr 14 00:56:10 err, was it broken? Apr 14 00:56:26 n8 javispedro Apr 14 00:56:43 if you think it was not broken I think it's not what you think it is :) Apr 14 00:56:44 cya Apr 14 01:12:14 tmo down again? Apr 14 01:13:54 i dunno, watch youtube whilst you wait :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM4ItSg0sFQ Apr 14 01:14:19 no youtube at work Apr 14 01:23:30 is maemo a video game? Apr 14 01:23:59 no Apr 14 01:24:01 no, a virus Apr 14 01:24:13 a virus... sweet Apr 14 01:25:07 specially designed and only able to survive on heart pacemakers Apr 14 01:25:17 heh Apr 14 01:25:55 i dont have a pacemaker Apr 14 01:26:01 my heart is fine ;) Apr 14 01:26:15 it is not important. you can get it by touching someone that has a pacemaker Apr 14 01:26:28 what the hell... Apr 14 01:26:41 it is pretty dangerous if you don't have one Apr 14 01:26:54 maybe you should talk to your familly doctor about that Apr 14 01:27:06 oh i see /b/rothers Apr 14 01:27:09 its a joke Apr 14 01:27:13 im 4channing this! Apr 14 01:36:46 ... Apr 14 01:38:51 now that's been a strange troll Apr 14 01:41:21 yeah Apr 14 01:58:21 is there a dbus call we could use to replace the content of the clipboard? Apr 14 01:59:51 ok, I need to bounce some ideas off someone Apr 14 02:03:15 DocScrutinizer: around? Apr 14 02:04:20 GeneralAntilles: arounD? Apr 14 02:05:34 hmm? Apr 14 02:05:43 ok Apr 14 02:05:45 keep reading Apr 14 02:06:16 Use-case: I'm using my desktop, browsing some stuff, I want to send it to my N900 because I'm [going to the loo|commuting|whatever] Apr 14 02:06:47 . Apr 14 02:07:05 There's a small app running on my desktop, I right click on it, and select "Send clipboard to N900" Apr 14 02:07:11 crashanddie, look at synergy Apr 14 02:07:22 or, "Send clipboard to N900 clipboard", or "Send clipboard to N900 bookmarks" Apr 14 02:07:27 . Apr 14 02:07:41 Two way we can have this interaction going Apr 14 02:07:43 synergy Apr 14 02:08:04 either through a webserver on the net, both the desktop and the n900 talk to it after having been enrolled Apr 14 02:08:18 or directly through local wifi network Apr 14 02:08:19 I love being ignored Apr 14 02:08:28 crashanddie, SY-NER-GY Apr 14 02:09:02 LiraNuna: just wait until we start debate Apr 14 02:09:29 it's just amazing I spewed the same application name 4 times and he keeps on the user story Apr 14 02:09:30 Option a (webserver) has the inconvenience of requiring to be connected to the internet Apr 14 02:09:34 ... Apr 14 02:09:48 DocScrutinizer, do you think he /ignore'd me Apr 14 02:09:56 nope Apr 14 02:10:22 option b requires some kind of authentication between n900 and desktop/laptop, in case there are multiple n900's on the network Apr 14 02:10:29 .................... Apr 14 02:10:33 LiraNuna: but I like to hear a comprehensive usecase, before we cut it Apr 14 02:10:38 crashanddie, THAT. PROBLEM. HAD. BEEN. SOLVED Apr 14 02:10:55 http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ Apr 14 02:11:21 why reinvent the wheel? Apr 14 02:11:29 Because it's fun? Apr 14 02:11:38 and I hate how synergy is implemented? Apr 14 02:11:47 LiraNuna: if you can't wait, you'll probably really get ignored Apr 14 02:11:49 but it's exactly what you want Apr 14 02:12:06 synergy is awesome Apr 14 02:12:09 DocScrutinizer, can't wait for what? I was offering him a solution Apr 14 02:12:23 LiraNuna: I wasn't looking for a solution Apr 14 02:12:30 if you hate synergy you FAIL. Apr 14 02:12:39 LiraNuna: the point is, he hadn't any problem for you to offer a solution Apr 14 02:13:00 LiraNuna: anyway, yes, there is synergy, however I never looked into it Apr 14 02:13:18 LiraNuna: how well is it integrated with desktop OS's, and how well is it integrated with Maemo? Apr 14 02:13:27 * DocScrutinizer is leaving the party, someone pooped Apr 14 02:13:53 crashanddie, it's a console application Apr 14 02:14:02 crashanddie, just compile and start synargyc Apr 14 02:14:15 LiraNuna: if I take an arbitrary string of text and dump it to the desktop client, can it find an URL in it, and act upon it? Apr 14 02:14:41 no but you can share clipboard Apr 14 02:14:41 LiraNuna: as i said in my use-case initially, I want to have a small widget that allows me to easily send it to the device I want, into the funnel I want (clipboard, open browser or bookmarks) Apr 14 02:15:06 LiraNuna: also, i want to have the option between server-managed, and local-network managed. Apr 14 02:15:11 crashanddie, you should change the widget to 'open URL from clipboard' then Apr 14 02:15:18 could* Apr 14 02:16:27 also, because of the server-managed option (in case desktop/n900 aren't on the same network), I don't want to have the clipboard being shared automagically and continuously Apr 14 02:16:47 so, my questions, considering I now have some people listening: Apr 14 02:17:06 desktop widget needs to run on Windows, Mac and Linux, what toolkit do we use? Apr 14 02:17:41 crashanddie, Qt/GTK Apr 14 02:17:43 qt Apr 14 02:18:16 though I'm virtually gone Apr 14 02:18:19 In case of local-network managed system, who is the server, who is the client? I was thinking of a network broadcast asking for client availability, and have the n900 reply to that -- then do a simple crypto footprint check to make sure we're talking to the right N900 Apr 14 02:19:14 obex-push Apr 14 02:21:52 c'mon guys, more thoughts Apr 14 02:21:54 this ain't bouncing Apr 14 02:38:13 crashanddie: package into a plaintext format (similar vcard) so you could send via obex-push via BT, or you sens SMS, or you sent instant msg via SIP (the web based usecase) Apr 14 02:39:14 for wlan infrastructure and ad-hoc you'd need to find or implement a similar protocol Apr 14 02:39:35 DocScrutinizer: BT is a battery drain -- however could be used in paralel with a auto-logoff from workstation as soon as N900 isn't within range anymore. SMS costs money, and is hard to do from desktop, SIP would be good, but how do you manage accounts? Apr 14 02:40:09 sms from desktop is kinda easy Apr 14 02:40:20 DocScrutinizer: implementing the protocol really isn't a hard thing to do, and the web server side of things is piss-easy as well (just a quick GAE app would do the trick) Apr 14 02:40:23 you got both dial-in and web-based services Apr 14 02:41:47 (sms) check yaps Apr 14 02:42:30 inbound is a lil bit awkward though Apr 14 02:43:27 on desktop Apr 14 02:50:21 for SIP see SIP-INFO (or twinklephone.com istant messaging) for the transfer method. Accounts would be handled like every usual sip-account you have registered to or hold in your contacts Apr 14 02:51:00 and then there's also a thing called direct-peer2peer Apr 14 02:51:50 sip:joerg@joerg.mydyndns.org Apr 14 02:52:54 this should as well work in WLAN: sip:joerg@192.168.56.78 Apr 14 02:53:34 no need for any account at any SIP registrar Apr 14 02:54:01 alas telepathy (or maemo dialer) seems doesn't support it Apr 14 02:55:31 nice detail: a lot of SIP providers sport a gateway SIP-INFO_IM<->SMS Apr 14 02:55:38 Hello. What's a good IRC app for the N900 ? Apr 14 02:55:45 xchat Apr 14 02:55:53 some love irssi Apr 14 02:56:11 not me though Apr 14 02:56:17 irssi or xchat? Which one do you recommend? Apr 14 02:56:46 I'm using xchat since 2 years now, on maemo Apr 14 02:56:48 i use irssi when at computers, but xchat on the n900 Apr 14 02:56:58 ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 14 02:59:56 2010