**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 14 02:59:56 2010
Apr 14 03:00:19 <frosty`> it would be nice if that telepathy-idle package was actually useful
Apr 14 03:23:21 <godrik> Artek_: I use some time irssi over ssh on my n810 and I must say it is quite painful to use. xchat is probably a better choice if you initiate the connexion from your device
Apr 14 03:23:58 <Artek_> I see.
Apr 14 03:26:33 <filokrunch> my network postioning no longer working
Apr 14 03:26:55 <filokrunch> can anyone tell me where to look to get started on troubleshooting that?
Apr 14 03:29:46 <godrik> filokrunch: network positioning ?
Apr 14 03:29:58 <filokrunch> yes
Apr 14 03:30:57 <filokrunch> actually I just got a popup on my n900 right now saying that the user defined network positioning server cannot be contacted, and defaulting to supl.nokia.com
Apr 14 03:31:35 <filokrunch> till now I had it set to supl.google.com and always got a network fix immediately
Apr 14 03:32:56 <filokrunch> now whether I use supl.nokia.com, or supl.google.com no fixes, unless I wait out under the open sky for like 5 min.
Apr 14 03:33:33 <filokrunch> I think the error started when I exited out of sygic during its setup
Apr 14 03:36:01 <filokrunch> so my question basically is: which system files could sygic have edited/corrupted to cause network connection errors to the network positioning servers?
Apr 14 03:36:33 <opdf2> how many mA does n900 pull when charging?
Apr 14 03:36:53 <opdf2> milliamps
Apr 14 03:37:14 <ShadowJK> opdf2, you're asking this why?
Apr 14 03:37:16 <filokrunch> or which files or gconf keys contain the settings for a succsessful connection to a network positioning server?
Apr 14 03:37:39 <ShadowJK> filokrunch, so did supl.nokia.com work before you changed it to google?
Apr 14 03:37:55 <opdf2> ShadowJK:   ive been using several usb car chargers and all but one work
Apr 14 03:38:06 <opdf2> ShadowJK:   ive been using several usb car chargers and all but one *dont work
Apr 14 03:38:26 <ShadowJK> That's more likely a signaling issue I'd think
Apr 14 03:38:30 <filokrunch> I'm not sure, if it did it took too long to get a fix
Apr 14 03:38:32 <opdf2> and it happens to be the cheapest one
Apr 14 03:39:01 <filokrunch> I've been using supl.google for many months without any issues till now
Apr 14 03:39:02 <ShadowJK> The charger must have D+ and D- pins shorted together (or a small resistor) to tell the N900 that it's a charger and that it's okay to pull power
Apr 14 03:39:36 <ShadowJK> in my experience N900 will say "Charging" even to the most pitifully weak charger :-)
Apr 14 03:39:57 <opdf2> i see. The spec on the usb car charger that does work is 800 mA output...I'm not sure if that is too much or too lite
Apr 14 03:39:59 <opdf2> *little
Apr 14 03:40:52 <ShadowJK> Well, my N900 will happily claim "Charging" when I connect my /switched off/ tekkeon :-)
Apr 14 03:40:57 <filokrunch> opdf2: I use the nokia supplied cable with usb car charger and it work ok
Apr 14 03:41:34 <opdf2> standard usb spec is 500 mA, is it not?
Apr 14 03:41:40 <opdf2> filokrunch:  i see
Apr 14 03:41:51 <ShadowJK> the wall charger is 1200mA
Apr 14 03:42:01 <filokrunch> yes for a computer
Apr 14 03:42:19 <ShadowJK> one of Nokia's two microusb car chargers is around 600-800mA iirc
Apr 14 03:42:38 <filokrunch> my car charger though says 1000mA, and it charges about twice as fast as my computer
Apr 14 03:42:51 <ShadowJK> I used my old 2mm nokia car charger + the adapter, and that was about 300mA and worked fine
Apr 14 03:43:57 <opdf2> ShadowJK:  you're right. okay i should be fine. This car charger is 5V 800 mA
Apr 14 03:43:57 <filokrunch> i have a wall charger that came with a bluetooth headphones, and it says 300mA, but the n900 never starts charging off of it
Apr 14 03:45:15 <opdf2> I'm kinda worried about frying the n900 since the only usb car charger i could find it stores that works is only $5 usd
Apr 14 03:45:24 <ShadowJK> If the datalines are unconnected on the charger, N900 will ignore it
Apr 14 03:45:24 <opdf2> the $20 usb wouldnt work
Apr 14 03:45:27 <ShadowJK> (and not charge)
Apr 14 03:45:44 <filokrunch> oh, thats probably it
Apr 14 03:45:44 <opdf2> *usd
Apr 14 03:45:55 <ShadowJK> Well the charging chip datasheet says it has input overvoltage protection..
Apr 14 03:46:16 <ShadowJK> obviously it doesn't extend so far that it'd survive if you took wires and jammed them into an outlet and then into your n900, but..
Apr 14 03:46:22 <opdf2> ShadowJK:  okay cool
Apr 14 03:46:56 <ShadowJK> I had to open up my tekkeon and solder it before n900 would charge from it
Apr 14 03:51:16 <crashanddie> ShadowJK: wouldn't the alternating part be more damaging?
Apr 14 03:51:48 <crashanddie> other than the fact that most diodes would fry instantly when in contact with such a massive over voltage
Apr 14 03:52:29 <ShadowJK> specs says maximum 20V
Apr 14 03:54:17 <DocScrutinizer> beware VBUS is routed to other components as well
Apr 14 03:57:06 <filokrunch> ShadowJK: so can you give me any clues about system files/settings associated with network positioning?
Apr 14 03:57:23 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/n900-force_charging_on_usb/
Apr 14 03:59:15 <filokrunch> ok I found the location in gconf
Apr 14 03:59:45 <filokrunch> its under system/nokia/location
Apr 14 04:00:04 <filokrunch> hers my settings:
Apr 14 04:00:25 <ShadowJK> We could probably go behind the back of bme and enable charging anyway ;-)
Apr 14 04:00:25 <filokrunch> disclaimer-accepted=true
Apr 14 04:00:44 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Apr 14 04:00:50 <filokrunch> gps-disabled=false
Apr 14 04:01:26 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: big surprise :-P I found I2C device nodes in /dev
Apr 14 04:02:15 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, /dev/i2c-2 ?
Apr 14 04:02:22 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Apr 14 04:02:23 <ShadowJK> each i2c bus has its own device node :)
Apr 14 04:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Apr 14 04:02:50 * DocScrutinizer feels like an idiot
Apr 14 04:05:14 <ShadowJK> eh?
Apr 14 04:07:20 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless we for sure want proper synodes, like
Apr 14 04:07:35 <DocScrutinizer> halley:~ # ls -l /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0/
Apr 14 04:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 14 06:06 alarm
Apr 14 04:07:38 <DocScrutinizer> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 13 21:48 charge_full
Apr 14 04:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 14 06:06 charge_full_design
Apr 14 04:07:41 <DocScrutinizer> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 13 21:48 charge_now
Apr 14 04:08:12 <DocScrutinizer> and sme more, esp like the ones on OM
Apr 14 04:08:39 <DocScrutinizer> sys-nodes, not synodes
Apr 14 04:09:23 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: stop flood :P
Apr 14 04:09:32 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 14 04:09:48 <ShadowJK> wtf :-)
Apr 14 04:09:52 <ShadowJK> I've never seen those before
Apr 14 04:10:32 <ShadowJK> that's like where all the pointless acpi stuff goes on a PC
Apr 14 04:10:55 <ShadowJK> oh
Apr 14 04:10:55 <ShadowJK> right
Apr 14 04:10:57 <ShadowJK> I missed the line
Apr 14 04:11:07 <ShadowJK> "we for sure want pproper synode, like"
Apr 14 04:11:11 <ShadowJK> and thought it was n900 :)
Apr 14 04:11:22 <DocScrutinizer> not yet :-S
Apr 14 04:11:59 <ShadowJK> I should try bully one of the people who make widgets into making a "Charge now, dammit" widget
Apr 14 04:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> cmdline exec widget ;-P
Apr 14 04:14:00 * DocScrutinizer wonders idle whether nokia charger unconnects D+/- on mains off
Apr 14 04:14:27 <sheepbat> that seems needlessly complex
Apr 14 04:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-04-14 05:40:52] <ShadowJK> Well, my N900 will happily claim "Charging" when I connect my /switched off/ tekkeon :-)
Apr 14 04:15:13 <crashanddie> ShadowJK: you couldn't bully a fly into a jar of vinegar if you tried
Apr 14 04:15:39 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia charger doesn't do this
Apr 14 04:16:15 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, I think that's just because there's enough energy in capacitors to make it look like 5V :-)
Apr 14 04:16:32 <ShadowJK> and bme seems extremely lazy at checking whether charger has raised error flags
Apr 14 04:17:09 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 14 04:17:48 * GAN900 slowly dies of jetlag.
Apr 14 04:18:25 <microlith> GAN900: I take it you are going to be at the workshop thursday?
Apr 14 04:19:09 <GAN900> microlith, yeppers
Apr 14 04:19:12 <microlith> cool
Apr 14 04:19:40 <DocScrutinizer> workshop?
Apr 14 04:20:30 <microlith> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/lfcs2010/meego-workgroup
Apr 14 04:20:32 <GAN900> MeeGo workshop at the LF Summit
Apr 14 04:20:38 <GAN900> microlith, why, you here?
Apr 14 04:20:40 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Apr 14 04:21:08 <microlith> GAN900: Up in Folsom now, trying to settle some things so I can disappear down to SF on thursday
Apr 14 04:21:14 <microlith> and bum a co-workers invite
Apr 14 04:21:29 <GAN900> Hehe
Apr 14 04:23:56 * GAN900 doesn't get it when companies put big TVs on the wall and hook them up to coax or composite.
Apr 14 04:24:27 <microlith> probably waiting for the next remodel to upgrade
Apr 14 04:25:11 <microlith> whee
Apr 14 04:31:26 <dotblank> What exactly does minigpsd do?
Apr 14 04:32:34 * ShadowJK wonders if it has even been tested on n900/maemo5
Apr 14 04:34:38 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: nobody's looking at it anyway
Apr 14 04:35:43 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, well, specifically I'm talking about this hotel TV. :p
Apr 14 04:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> well, for those there isn't much of a choice, if you want more than the housechannel
Apr 14 04:38:57 <DocScrutinizer> actually analog RF or DVB is all you can reasonably use
Apr 14 04:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> none of those yields a particularly bad quality per se
Apr 14 04:41:19 <GAN900> DVB isn't a thing here. :P
Apr 14 04:52:40 <slonopotamus> any glib gurus?
Apr 14 05:01:58 <otubo> Hello everyone, it seems that my N900 is dropping the connection (whatever it is, wifi or 3G) very often.
Apr 14 05:02:34 <otubo> I saw a bug from 2007, but it seems deprecated.
Apr 14 05:02:41 <otubo> Does anyone have a light
Apr 14 05:02:42 <otubo> ?
Apr 14 05:19:09 <crashanddie> otubo: I doubt that there are any bugs from 2007 that apply to the N900
Apr 14 05:19:24 <Stskeeps> besides 'no ogg support'
Apr 14 05:19:33 <Stskeeps> (out of box)
Apr 14 05:19:48 <crashanddie> otubo: you sure you didn't configure the N900 to automatically disconnect after x minutes idle?
Apr 14 05:19:50 <otubo> crashanddie, I found an entry on talk.maemo.org about this issue
Apr 14 05:20:13 <otubo> crashanddie, I didn't configured anything like that. Besides, I didn't know that this was possible
Apr 14 05:20:14 <otubo> :)
Apr 14 05:20:31 <crashanddie> my point exactly, maybe inadvertently?
Apr 14 05:21:13 <otubo> crashanddie, where exactly is this option?
Apr 14 05:21:31 <slonopotamus> http://codepad.org/Ej1KKVRa fails on last assert. any ideas?
Apr 14 05:23:56 <RST38h> slono: g_match_info_fetch(match_info, 3) does not return '"'?
Apr 14 05:26:03 <RST38h> slono: but really, do you expect "b" to contain quotes?
Apr 14 05:26:57 <otubo> crashanddie, found it. Let me test
Apr 14 05:29:02 <slonopotamus> meh, got disconnected
Apr 14 05:30:50 <otubo> crashanddie, no, didn't find it. Where is this settings, jesus? :-)
Apr 14 05:32:12 <RST38h> slono: but really, do you expect "b" to contain quotes?
Apr 14 05:41:32 * slonopotamus curses subway for only partial gsm coverage
Apr 14 05:42:16 <slonopotamus> RST38h: i expect third group to be empty string, not null
Apr 14 05:42:46 <RST38h> oh these are ""
Apr 14 05:43:13 <slonopotamus> yep
Apr 14 05:43:36 <slonopotamus> according to docs, NULL from g_match_info_fetch indicates error
Apr 14 05:44:00 <slonopotamus> and empty string is returned when group doesn't match
Apr 14 05:44:50 <RST38h> glib is probably just broken
Apr 14 05:44:55 <slonopotamus> and that happens for first group. but not for the last one. (actually i observe such error for all non-matching groups at the end of line)
Apr 14 05:45:07 <RST38h> but let us entertain it for a bit
Apr 14 05:45:28 <RST38h> replace (c)? with (c{0,1})
Apr 14 05:45:43 <RST38h> see what happens
Apr 14 05:46:32 <RST38h> Also, try matching "ab" string with it and see if it makes third group non-null
Apr 14 05:46:55 <slonopotamus> "ab" doesn't
Apr 14 05:47:15 <RST38h> so when matching "ab", the third group is still null?
Apr 14 05:47:21 <slonopotamus> yep
Apr 14 05:47:33 <RST38h> broken glib, no trust in it whatsoever
Apr 14 05:47:35 <slonopotamus> all groups _after_ matched thing are null
Apr 14 05:47:42 <RST38h> try c{0,1}
Apr 14 05:49:13 <slonopotamus> RST38h: with {0,1} it is empty string
Apr 14 05:50:27 <slonopotamus> the funny thing is that pcre doesn't have this bug. it's in glib wrapper.
Apr 14 05:52:37 <RST38h> ~~
Apr 14 05:52:38 <infobot> well, ~ is the key
Apr 14 05:52:44 <RST38h> slono: don't use that shit
Apr 14 05:52:55 <RST38h> slono: Use POSIX
Apr 14 05:54:10 <crashanddie> ~define anansie
Apr 14 05:54:11 <infobot> Use ~dict for definitions.
Apr 14 05:54:16 <crashanddie> ~dict anansie
Apr 14 05:54:19 <infobot> could not find definition for anansie
Apr 14 05:54:30 <crashanddie> ~google define:anansie
Apr 14 05:54:47 <crashanddie> ~useless
Apr 14 05:54:49 * infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :(
Apr 14 06:05:19 <JZA> hi got a question
Apr 14 06:05:31 <JZA> I am trying to get barriosquare but I am not sure if I should use i386 or armel
Apr 14 06:05:34 <JZA> I am on a N900
Apr 14 06:05:51 <JZA> N810 used armel, but dunno if N900 switch to a different architecture
Apr 14 06:06:13 <luke-jr> N900 certainly isn't i386
Apr 14 06:06:16 <JZA> anyone can verify me on choosing armel
Apr 14 06:06:18 <Wolfie> n900 is armel too
Apr 14 06:06:22 <JZA> ok
Apr 14 06:06:25 <luke-jr> heck, I'm not sure *anything* is i386 anymore
Apr 14 06:06:30 <JZA> anyone used barriosquare before?
Apr 14 06:06:44 <JZA> luke-jr: well certainly they still doing builds for i386
Apr 14 06:06:54 <luke-jr> JZA: I thought even Debian moved to i586
Apr 14 06:07:09 <crashanddie> JZA: i386 is for the development environment on normal desktop computers -- don't worry about it
Apr 14 06:07:21 <crashanddie> JZA: this being said, where are you getting it from?
Apr 14 06:08:05 <JZA> http://maemo.org/packages/view/barriosquare/
Apr 14 06:08:18 <JZA> this package is not on the repo, which I found odd
Apr 14 06:08:37 <Pforce> does javispedro named guy hang out here
Apr 14 06:08:40 <Pforce> anyone know?
Apr 14 06:08:51 <JZA> maybe I need to enable extras-devel
Apr 14 06:08:51 <crashanddie> Pforce: yup
Apr 14 06:09:03 <crashanddie> ~seen javispedro
Apr 14 06:09:04 <infobot> javispedro <~javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 12m 20s ago, saying: 'cya'.
Apr 14 06:09:09 <Pforce> crashanddie: yeah just looking at his gles pages there for x86 target
Apr 14 06:09:10 <crashanddie> JZA: only if you want to break your device
Apr 14 06:09:16 <Pforce> could put more detailed stuf to wiki
Apr 14 06:09:25 <Pforce> how to get it going
Apr 14 06:09:49 <Chiku> ptl, oh he doesn't have nick _demands_PR1.2
Apr 14 06:09:51 <slonopotamus> RST38h, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588217
Apr 14 06:09:53 <povbot> Bug 588217: was not found.
Apr 14 06:10:03 <JZA> crashanddie: so I should wait till they move that package to extras?
Apr 14 06:10:06 <crashanddie> JZA: extras-devel is seriously broken for everyday use, maybe you could help out by testing this package and voting it up so that it goes to extras-testing and maemo extras
Apr 14 06:10:09 <slonopotamus> povbot, ...
Apr 14 06:10:12 <povbot> slonopotamus: Error: "..." is not a valid command.
Apr 14 06:10:20 <crashanddie> slonopotamus: failwhale
Apr 14 06:10:25 <crashanddie> povbot: die
Apr 14 06:10:25 <povbot> crashanddie: Error: "die" is not a valid command.
Apr 14 06:10:30 <crashanddie> povbot: leave
Apr 14 06:10:30 <povbot> crashanddie: Error: "leave" is not a valid command.
Apr 14 06:10:31 <JZA> ok well it failed, I dont have qt4 here yet
Apr 14 06:10:36 <slonopotamus> crashanddie, :)
Apr 14 06:10:36 <crashanddie> povbot: quit
Apr 14 06:10:37 <povbot> crashanddie: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
Apr 14 06:10:38 <JZA> and dont want to go through the process
Apr 14 06:11:25 <crashanddie> JZA: then it probably depends on PR1.2
Apr 14 06:11:32 <crashanddie> JZA: you'll have to be patient
Apr 14 06:32:08 <n900-dk> crashanddie: Hope that I didn't hurt your feelings too much, I'm sorry that I didn't notice the actionpacked #maemo channel ;) The #n900 was already there, and was kind of boring..
Apr 14 06:55:52 <MiXu-> What's the issue with tmo? I haven't been able to access it for a month or something like that.
Apr 14 06:56:08 <Stskeeps> WORKSFORME
Apr 14 06:56:11 <MiXu-> But if I use a proxy, it works fine.
Apr 14 06:56:27 <MiXu-> Can't access it from work or home.
Apr 14 06:56:30 <Kurppa_> Same here. It works from home, but does not work from the office.
Apr 14 06:58:14 <Stskeeps> traceroute and mail reggie?
Apr 14 07:13:18 <red> harhar
Apr 14 07:17:10 <slonopotamus> what's tana_fi, btw?
Apr 14 07:43:40 <dmj726> any point in packaging clutter-box2d and the examples for it?
Apr 14 07:48:49 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 14 07:48:54 <amjad> morning jaffa
Apr 14 07:48:54 <bullet`> morning
Apr 14 07:49:05 <X-Fade> Morning
Apr 14 07:51:05 <TigerTael> hey
Apr 14 07:54:09 <Dassu> god damn I regret teaching my mom to use skype since there is no answering machine my phone can vibrate 24/7
Apr 14 07:54:43 <X-Fade> Dassu: You know you can turn it off, right? :)
Apr 14 07:54:50 <X-Fade> Or block your mom :D
Apr 14 07:54:50 <Dassu> yep
Apr 14 07:54:55 <Dassu> and I did
Apr 14 07:55:10 <X-Fade> But that just seems very wrong.
Apr 14 07:55:18 <Dassu> X-Fade: wait I canblock contacs? :o
Apr 14 07:56:24 <Dassu> hmm Gotta filter those spammers
Apr 14 08:10:37 <supertramp> guys
Apr 14 08:11:24 <supertramp> is it possible to define directory (or device) to be shared (exported) as a mass storage device for USB host?
Apr 14 08:11:45 <Stskeeps> device yes, directory no
Apr 14 08:12:19 <supertramp> Stskeeps: my idea is to have pseudo-device (truecrypt) exported as an MSTRG
Apr 14 08:13:35 <Stskeeps> so a cryptographic usb key, basically? :P
Apr 14 08:13:55 <supertramp> yup - something like that
Apr 14 08:14:07 <Stskeeps> should be possible i gues
Apr 14 08:14:38 <supertramp> Stskeeps: please could you point me to documentation how the export can be made?
Apr 14 08:15:41 <Stskeeps> supertramp: g_file_storage module
Apr 14 08:15:58 <supertramp> ah great
Apr 14 08:16:01 <supertramp> thanks Stskeeps :)
Apr 14 08:16:53 <Stskeeps> (cool idea, btw)
Apr 14 08:19:00 <crashanddie> supertramp: mind going into more detail?
Apr 14 08:19:06 <crashanddie> yo spliffy
Apr 14 08:19:10 <crashanddie> shit, tab-pwned
Apr 14 08:19:13 <crashanddie> yo SpeedEvil
Apr 14 08:19:34 <TeQuillaaaA> hello
Apr 14 08:19:45 <crashanddie> hello TeQuillaaaA
Apr 14 08:19:50 <TeQuillaaaA> how can i install .jar files in easydebian?
Apr 14 08:19:56 <TeQuillaaaA> any commands ?
Apr 14 08:20:03 <TeQuillaaaA> forthe terminal
Apr 14 08:20:04 <crashanddie> you can't install a .jar
Apr 14 08:20:05 <TeQuillaaaA> *for the
Apr 14 08:20:12 <crashanddie> you can run them, at best
Apr 14 08:20:12 <TeQuillaaaA> why
Apr 14 08:20:18 <TeQuillaaaA> okay
Apr 14 08:20:20 <TeQuillaaaA> then run ;)
Apr 14 08:20:21 <crashanddie> did you install java?
Apr 14 08:20:22 <TeQuillaaaA> wait
Apr 14 08:20:32 <TeQuillaaaA> how can i execute .jar files in easydebian?
Apr 14 08:20:33 <TeQuillaaaA> :P
Apr 14 08:20:42 <crashanddie> TeQuillaaaA: perfect, you need to install java first
Apr 14 08:20:49 <TeQuillaaaA> :D
Apr 14 08:20:49 <TeQuillaaaA> :DS
Apr 14 08:20:51 <TeQuillaaaA> wait
Apr 14 08:20:57 <crashanddie> TeQuillaaaA: apt-get install java
Apr 14 08:21:02 <TeQuillaaaA> how can i install java in easydebian?
Apr 14 08:21:04 <TeQuillaaaA> :P
Apr 14 08:21:05 <TeQuillaaaA> ok
Apr 14 08:21:52 <crashanddie> TeQuillaaaA: then, once java is installed, just type: java -jar /path/to/jarfile.jar
Apr 14 08:22:13 <TeQuillaaaA> okay cool
Apr 14 08:22:37 <TeQuillaaaA> i can only work as root with the debian chroot enviroment?
Apr 14 08:22:50 <crashanddie> Don't know, never used easy debian
Apr 14 08:22:55 <TeQuillaaaA> okay
Apr 14 08:23:02 <TeQuillaaaA> then i try something
Apr 14 08:23:15 <crashanddie> I'm off
Apr 14 08:23:22 <crashanddie> be back in a few minutes, just need to go home
Apr 14 08:24:56 <b0unc3> good morning
Apr 14 08:26:20 <n900evil> maybe.
Apr 14 08:26:30 <n900evil> I haven't decided yet.
Apr 14 08:27:17 <TeQuillaaaA> how can i become root on easy debian?
Apr 14 08:27:21 <TeQuillaaaA> su
Apr 14 08:31:05 <Mece> hmm. is it common that installing mplayer messes up your system?
Apr 14 08:31:56 <pupnik> you installed additional codecs, didnt you
Apr 14 08:34:27 <Mece> not now, but before
Apr 14 08:42:36 <pupnik> that messed up media player for me
Apr 14 08:55:33 <hrw> morning
Apr 14 08:56:49 <konttori> morning hrw
Apr 14 08:57:05 <frals> mornin all o/
Apr 14 08:57:18 <duffer> hi
Apr 14 09:00:10 <frals> annoying when restoring backup; if you decide not to force install of a package with missing deps the whole reinstalling of packages is aborted
Apr 14 09:00:40 <MohammadAG> that fails :/
Apr 14 09:01:25 <MohammadAG> if only all packages with non broken packages used a pattern for version numbers
Apr 14 09:01:28 <duffer> mmm not good  can you run the backup manager from command line  with switches?
Apr 14 09:01:32 <MohammadAG> apt-pinning would help
Apr 14 09:01:39 <frals> "Installation file corrupted" "Yes/No" - wtf?
Apr 14 09:01:49 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 14 09:02:31 <MohammadAG> xarchiver fixed, again :)
Apr 14 09:02:38 <Treibholz> finally I found a sane icalendar-module for python! Hurray!
Apr 14 09:02:42 <MohammadAG> uninstallation was borked
Apr 14 09:03:20 <Treibholz> so CalDAV-sync is one step closer! :-)
Apr 14 09:03:34 <mece> pupnik, ping
Apr 14 09:03:54 <mece> pupnik, ping
Apr 14 09:05:09 <duffer> duffer, ping
Apr 14 09:07:01 <mece> hmm my hildon-status-menu went apeshit after my mplayer fuckup..
Apr 14 09:07:31 <MohammadAG> killall hildon-status-menu :)
Apr 14 09:07:43 <mece> sounds like a bad idea.
Apr 14 09:08:44 <mece> craap.
Apr 14 09:08:54 <mece> I'm at 100% with nothing running now :/
Apr 14 09:08:58 <mece> bleh
Apr 14 09:09:11 <mece> hildon-status-menu and pulse run amok
Apr 14 09:09:48 <duffer> reboot?
Apr 14 09:09:56 <mece> done it 100 times already..
Apr 14 09:10:11 <BCMM> talking of pegging the cpu, anyway to run the app manager nice?
Apr 14 09:10:33 <pupnik> mece: hello
Apr 14 09:10:39 <duffer> reflash
Apr 14 09:10:41 <BCMM> ^any way
Apr 14 09:10:45 <mece> pupnik, you said something about mplayer and codesc?
Apr 14 09:10:47 <mece> codecs
Apr 14 09:11:05 <pupnik> good point BCMM
Apr 14 09:11:30 <supertramp> is there ntfs-3g support for maemo
Apr 14 09:11:30 <supertramp> ?
Apr 14 09:11:36 <pupnik> i asked whether extra codecs had been installed mece
Apr 14 09:11:37 <BCMM> just installing big packages has made the wm lock up
Apr 14 09:11:44 <mece> pupnik, yes they had.
Apr 14 09:12:12 <BCMM> and it shouldn't be due to disk use on a solid state system
Apr 14 09:12:17 <mece> pupnik, is there a way to fix this?
Apr 14 09:12:18 <pupnik> well they screwed up media player for me.  mplayer still works
Apr 14 09:12:25 <mece> pupnik, yeah.
Apr 14 09:12:37 <pupnik> hmm
Apr 14 09:12:39 <mece> pupnik, however I removed just about everything, and it didn't start working again.
Apr 14 09:12:59 <mece> and also, now hildon-status-menu and pulse combined eat 100% cpu constantly.
Apr 14 09:13:02 <BCMM> can one change the environment the gui runs in? then i could insert a wrapper script
Apr 14 09:13:09 <pupnik> owww
Apr 14 09:13:45 <mece> and now there has appeared some errors on the [x] button in xterm! wow. That's fucked up.
Apr 14 09:14:23 <duffer> reflash and be done
Apr 14 09:14:37 <mece> I don't have a usb cable right now.
Apr 14 09:14:41 <pupnik>  2822  2821 user     S     3416  1.3  7.6 mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol 0
Apr 14 09:15:00 <BCMM> hmm, apt itself doesn't have a config file to make it nice does it?
Apr 14 09:15:11 <pupnik>  thats my top cpu user atm.  6-8 percent
Apr 14 09:15:19 <mece> that's nice.
Apr 14 09:15:35 <pupnik> at 250mhz
Apr 14 09:18:29 <duffer> 2.9% :-)
Apr 14 09:20:30 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: stock mplayer?
Apr 14 09:20:37 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: what does playing wavs look like?
Apr 14 09:23:25 <Scelt> konttori: are you having bad connection?
Apr 14 09:23:53 <konttori> Hmm... perhaps I am. I'm under wlan, but the connection might be flaky.
Apr 14 09:24:50 <Scelt> I see. You have just been reconnecting quite often. Maybe sometimes you just quit normally so it distracts my internal statistics engine
Apr 14 09:25:30 <konttori> well, also, my mac is 'green' so, it's shutting down in 5 minutes if I don't use it (or no download is in progress)
Apr 14 09:25:46 <SpeedEvil> My thinkpad is black.
Apr 14 09:25:51 <konttori> (you know, linux distro, or video podcast on torrent)
Apr 14 09:26:06 <Scelt> sure sure :)
Apr 14 09:27:26 <Treibholz> is that normal: I get a notification for every mail I get in my activesync Exchange-account, not only for those that reach the inbox, also those in the other folders.
Apr 14 09:28:33 <duffer> my asus 901 is white, big mistake ;-)
Apr 14 09:29:20 <Treibholz> my IdeaPad S10e, too. Very bad idea...
Apr 14 09:30:02 <BCMM> which highlighting text editors are available?
Apr 14 09:30:17 <Treibholz> PyGTKEditor, vim
Apr 14 09:30:45 <duffer> leafpad
Apr 14 09:31:11 <BCMM> i finally got latex working :)
Apr 14 09:31:22 <duffer> in extras i think
Apr 14 09:37:38 <duffer> has anybody got sygic? how is it?
Apr 14 09:37:43 <Stskeeps> i like it
Apr 14 09:38:21 <duffer> cool  maybe after payday :-)
Apr 14 09:38:52 <duffer> routes sensible?
Apr 14 09:39:51 <jacekowski> i got it from torrent shop
Apr 14 09:40:08 <duffer> hehe
Apr 14 09:40:09 <jacekowski> and i think you can get sygic from sygic website for free
Apr 14 09:40:19 <jacekowski> but you pay for maps
Apr 14 09:40:28 <duffer> oh ok
Apr 14 09:41:11 <jacekowski> well, i'm not going to spend almost 70 quid on piece of software that i'm going to use once a month
Apr 14 09:41:30 <jacekowski> because it works out to be more expensive than normal tomtom gps
Apr 14 09:42:27 <duffer> i the licence transferable to future meego devices??
Apr 14 09:43:03 <duffer> is
Apr 14 09:47:53 <supertramp> is it safe to format /dev/mmcblk0p1 on n900?
Apr 14 09:57:53 <SpeedEvil> Does modest only do email?
Apr 14 09:59:24 <Treibholz> SpeedEvil: yes, and not very good...
Apr 14 09:59:31 <SpeedEvil> hmm.
Apr 14 09:59:37 * SpeedEvil wonders where it's started.
Apr 14 09:59:46 <SpeedEvil> I never actually want to use it, and it's eating my RAM
Apr 14 10:18:33 <corecode> i don't think maps/gps works at all without network
Apr 14 10:18:51 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: megabits per what?
Apr 14 10:19:00 <Scelt> or actually millibits
Apr 14 10:19:00 <corecode> i was walking around in paris yesterday without network and i did not get a lock
Apr 14 10:20:47 <Anss|> a-gps might need network, gps should not
Apr 14 10:22:44 <achipa> SpeedEvil: if you ever manage to get Modest to do the laundry, too, let me know !
Apr 14 10:25:35 <corecode> well, i'd be happy if it would store the sent mails on the server
Apr 14 10:28:24 <SpeedEvil> Is there a way to get a backup state with flasher?
Apr 14 10:28:57 <SpeedEvil> I'd like to backup my current state exactly - to an image on my desktop, that I can then restore if I bork stuff.
Apr 14 10:29:01 * timeless_mbp eyes Scelt
Apr 14 10:29:26 <Scelt> s/ey/dy/
Apr 14 10:29:51 <Scelt> "Achtung! Ich bin ein negro"
Apr 14 10:30:04 <Scelt> or which color did you use?
Apr 14 10:30:13 <gouverneur> ?
Apr 14 10:30:14 <SpeedEvil> pink.
Apr 14 10:30:19 <Scelt> damn
Apr 14 10:30:32 <timeless_mbp> Scelt: did you nick complete the wrong person?
Apr 14 10:30:49 <Scelt> I can sing now, but with a bit of feminine voice
Apr 14 10:30:49 <gouverneur> SpeedEvil: inter (looking for it) resting question
Apr 14 10:31:02 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: no. I tried to ask what that mbp stands for
Apr 14 10:33:37 <riz_> hello everyone
Apr 14 10:34:05 <riz_> trying to us fMMS on n900 with vodafone uk. Get the name or service not known error whatever I do. any ideas?
Apr 14 10:34:15 <riz_> I'm using the "Vodafone internet  gprs" APN.
Apr 14 10:34:38 <timeless_mbp> macbook pro
Apr 14 10:35:02 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: kewl
Apr 14 10:35:36 <timeless_mbp> http://www.google.com/search?q=mbp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Apr 14 10:35:42 <timeless_mbp> i'm feeling lucky fwiw :)
Apr 14 10:36:00 <timeless_mbp> heck, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBP - i'm feeling wikipedia :)
Apr 14 10:36:52 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManBearPig
Apr 14 10:37:11 <timeless_mbp> yeah, not that one :)
Apr 14 10:41:32 <jacekowski> riz_: you have to use mms apn
Apr 14 10:41:57 <riz_> jacekowski: any pointers?
Apr 14 10:42:47 <frals> riz_: http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#Vodafone_UK
Apr 14 10:44:16 <sECuRE> hm, do .Xresources get used in maemo? there is no xrdb
Apr 14 10:44:30 <riz_> frals: how do I create new APN?
Apr 14 10:45:04 <jacekowski> fAPN i think
Apr 14 10:45:37 <riz_> jacekowski: thanks
Apr 14 10:48:47 <mece> what's the package for the standard media player? I could try reinstall it..
Apr 14 10:50:36 <mece> oh whadya know, it's "mediaplayer"
Apr 14 11:18:17 <jacekowski> usb port on my laptop is starting to have problems
Apr 14 11:18:58 * SpeedEvil passes jacekowski a soldering iron.
Apr 14 11:19:42 <jacekowski> nah, it's mechanical problem
Apr 14 11:20:02 <jacekowski> these small springy bits inside are worn out
Apr 14 11:20:22 <jacekowski> and any slightest touch in downwards direction makes it lose contact
Apr 14 11:59:43 * andrewfblack stumbles in...its do dang early to be awake and at work
Apr 14 12:00:38 <andrewfblack> wow I made http://maemo.org/news/
Apr 14 12:01:01 <andrewfblack> and my first blog post in 2 weeks with no down votes lol
Apr 14 12:02:43 <lcuk> mmm why are meego screenies downvoted?
Apr 14 12:02:46 <lcuk> on planet
Apr 14 12:02:56 <Ken-Young> andrewfblack, Is there a page somewhere that shows screenshots of all your Maemo 5 themes?
Apr 14 12:03:26 <andrewfblack> lcuk: because they are intel meego screenies I would say
Apr 14 12:04:01 <andrewfblack> lcuk: I downvoted symbian freak one before just because I wanted to comment and thy make you sign up for forums to comment on blog
Apr 14 12:05:10 <andrewfblack> Ken-Young: no not really I'm very bad at updating my site. The only offically completed theme I have is maemo-org others are all still in devel.  Several because I just havn't moved them over to testing yet.
Apr 14 12:06:00 * andrewfblack needs an assistant to keep site updated lol
Apr 14 12:06:05 <lcuk> andrewfblack, thats not the fault of planet tho and you got the info you wanted
Apr 14 12:06:23 <lcuk> "i downvoted you today because the subtle shade of green on your site was reflecting badly in my glasses
Apr 14 12:06:50 <lcuk> mornin MohammadAG
Apr 14 12:07:10 <MohammadAG> Afternoon lcuk ;)
Apr 14 12:07:25 <E0x> hmmm the fm radio something stop working
Apr 14 12:07:44 <lcuk> MohammadAG, http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Apr 14 12:07:50 <E0x> and a msg appear in the screen bluetooth  on , look like the bluetooth is turn-off
Apr 14 12:07:55 <andrewfblack> lcuk: what you don't like my green :)
Apr 14 12:08:02 <E0x> ( and i think control the FM receiver )
Apr 14 12:08:15 <lcuk> heh andrewfblack
Apr 14 12:09:21 <MohammadAG> night lcuk
Apr 14 12:09:32 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 14 12:09:40 <andrewfblack> lcuk: I can understand people down voting the meego screenies since for one they people really just reposted information that has been posted several places and two because they are screenies released by intel and since each company is going to due their own UI it is not screenshots of Nokia Meego
Apr 14 12:16:50 <E0x> meego screenshots look like moblin
Apr 14 12:16:52 <E0x> interface
Apr 14 12:16:57 <E0x> but black
Apr 14 12:17:23 <E0x> i mean all black
Apr 14 12:17:31 <E0x> http://static.arstechnica.com/mobbeta1/Screenshot3.png
Apr 14 12:19:45 <E0x> i guess that clutter app have that lookandfeel
Apr 14 12:20:30 <Lumpio-> Oh wow.
Apr 14 12:20:35 <Lumpio-> Mystery meat navigation ftw
Apr 14 12:20:49 <Lumpio-> I can't tell what half of the icons mean
Apr 14 12:21:21 <Lumpio-> "Holy shit, my ears are speakers", heart monitor, creepy guy behind you, donut, music note, boring statistics, geometric shapes, oOo
Apr 14 12:21:35 <Lumpio-> Out of those, I only really "get" the music note.
Apr 14 12:21:35 <nid0> availability, status, contacts, cooking hob, music, slice of cake, slice of cake + pie, and the earth with 2 moons?
Apr 14 12:21:45 <mece> can mplayer play nice with mediaplayer if one doesn't have the extra decoders installed?
Apr 14 12:45:59 <rmrfchik> 108325.607604] FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk1p1)
Apr 14 12:46:02 <rmrfchik> [108325.607635]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)
Apr 14 12:46:04 <rmrfchik> :((
Apr 14 12:47:38 <fabinader> Hi all... I'm aving problems compiling my application on Scratchbox for N900, I use #include_next on my personal implementation of netinet/icmp6.h in order to extend /usr/include/netinet/icmp6.h, but when I compile it in Scratchbox I receive an error such that it means gcc didn't "merged" the two icmp6.h files... More, I received a feedback with -v sucha s "ignoring duplicate directory '/usr/include' as it is a non-system directo
Apr 14 12:57:16 <Ebzzry> If I'm not going to use Ovi maps, is it safe to delete ~/MyDocs/cities/ ?
Apr 14 12:57:40 <TigerTael> What do you fear?
Apr 14 12:57:45 <lcuk> Ebzzry, dunno, just leave it there unless you are in need of space
Apr 14 12:58:19 <MohammadAG> Ebzzry, it's only map data
Apr 14 12:58:55 <Ebzzry> Maybe needing it later? Maybe it's used by another app?
Apr 14 12:59:42 <Ebzzry> TigerTael: isn't my question too simple for you to ask what I fear about it?
Apr 14 12:59:58 <TigerTael> Ebzzry, well, it will only delete your map cache?
Apr 14 13:01:07 <Ebzzry> TigerTael: OK
Apr 14 13:01:25 <Ebzzry> TigerTael: that makes up for a better answer.
Apr 14 13:10:22 <crashanddie> fabinader: not sure I understand what you're trying to achieve
Apr 14 13:12:40 <crashanddie> fabinader: more specifically, I don't understand the "extend" part. This isn't C++, it's C. Why would you use the same filenames?
Apr 14 13:15:22 <fabinader> crashanddie: we're extending ICPMv6 options headers, and as such using #include_next <netinet/icmp6.h> in order to "extend" the set of ICMP options...
Apr 14 13:15:52 * javispedro smells scratchbox breakage
Apr 14 13:16:03 <javispedro> oh, and, morning.
Apr 14 13:16:17 <X-Fade> morning javispedro :)
Apr 14 13:17:33 <javispedro> cloaaaks :)
Apr 14 13:19:14 <crashanddie> fabinader: #include_next is usually considered bad practise
Apr 14 13:19:49 <crashanddie> fabinader: you should _not_ use include_next to adapt your program, rather, you should only use include_next when you are fixing a system-wide library.
Apr 14 13:20:28 <lcuk> thats what hes doing crashanddie - the system provided one is not correct for his needs
Apr 14 13:21:34 <crashanddie> then just include it, and modify what you need after inclusion
Apr 14 13:21:35 <fabinader> crashanddie: OK, the only problem is that we're not the "owners" of teh application we're extending... We're extending a Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6 implementation named UMIP/Nautilus, an open-source project, and it is in their code the #include_next....
Apr 14 13:21:51 <crashanddie> fabinader: hmm
Apr 14 13:22:30 <fabinader> I can certainly do it as per-file basis, but then I stop being backward-compatible with the open-source project... I don't want to fork forever :p
Apr 14 13:23:13 <crashanddie> fabinader: maybe the upstream open source developers can help out? This is a pretty unique and obscure usage of GCC -- doubt you'll find anyone in #maemo who's comfortable with it.
Apr 14 13:23:19 <crashanddie> fabinader: that or #gcc
Apr 14 13:24:05 <crashanddie> fabinader: this being said, could you put the output of gcc in a pastebin?
Apr 14 13:24:22 <fabinader> crashanddie: Yeap... One sec...
Apr 14 13:25:30 <fabinader> crashanddie: compilation in Linux  is http://maemo.pastebin.com/zSG9xDbX
Apr 14 13:26:01 <fabinader> crashanddie: compilation in Scratchbox is http://maemo.pastebin.com/v70zNkvt
Apr 14 13:26:45 * MohammadAG wants a SIXAXIS attachment for the N900
Apr 14 13:27:51 <Appiah> MohammadAG: I was thinking about that the other day
Apr 14 13:28:17 <Appiah> hmm
Apr 14 13:28:19 <MohammadAG> i was thinking of a desgin similar to the keypad
Apr 14 13:28:38 <MohammadAG> the official keypad for the sixaxis/DS3
Apr 14 13:28:52 <Appiah> huh?
Apr 14 13:28:53 <crashanddie> fabinader: first of, scratchbox's gcc is 4.2, whereas your linux's gcc is 4.3
Apr 14 13:29:25 <crashanddie> fabinader: second, you get the "as it is a non-system directory that duplicates a system directory" error in both scratchbox and linux
Apr 14 13:29:56 <Treibholz> MohammadAG: isn't there a bluetooth-version?
Apr 14 13:30:09 <MohammadAG> Treibholz, it is bt
Apr 14 13:30:15 <MohammadAG> Appiah, http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sony-ps3-wireless-keypad-1.jpg
Apr 14 13:30:27 <fabinader> crashanddie: in other words, the "as it is a non-system directory that duplicates a system directory" is probably not the source of the problem, right?
Apr 14 13:30:49 <MohammadAG> steal design + add tilting mechanism + rip keys off = stand
Apr 14 13:30:57 <Appiah> :)
Apr 14 13:31:00 <crashanddie> fabinader: why are you specifying /include as a isystem, but not /usr/include ?
Apr 14 13:31:13 <Appiah> I got 2 sixaxis controllers doing nothing
Apr 14 13:31:29 <MohammadAG> I have a PS3
Apr 14 13:31:38 <MohammadAG> got blocked from psn sadly
Apr 14 13:31:46 <Appiah> Would be cool to build something like that
Apr 14 13:31:46 <MohammadAG> cause i refused to update
Apr 14 13:31:55 <Chewtoy> Anyone know of a nice foldable bluetooth keybord that works with n810?
Apr 14 13:31:56 <Appiah> umm
Apr 14 13:31:58 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: you're an idiot :P
Apr 14 13:32:09 <Appiah> that update that would brick/ remove install other os?
Apr 14 13:32:18 <fabinader> crashanddie: that was generated automatically from the open-source project's ./configure we're extending from... That's a good question...
Apr 14 13:32:30 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, is that a compliment?
Apr 14 13:32:32 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 14 13:32:55 <MohammadAG> Appiah, it removes Other OS, which in my case is linux
Apr 14 13:33:03 <fabinader> crashanddie: for your information, if I change from -isystem ../include to -I../system, then it works on Scratchbox... I can always change that on Makefile.am, but then I also fork... :(
Apr 14 13:33:30 * MohammadAG waits for a reply from crashanddie 
Apr 14 13:33:56 <crashanddie> fabinader: no no, -isystem defines that the directory specified is a system directory (and is looked into after the initial inclusion path)
Apr 14 13:34:21 <crashanddie> man this doesn't make sense
Apr 14 13:34:49 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, well you didn't make sense the other day :P
Apr 14 13:35:17 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: no, not a compliment. You're denying yourself the usage of the PSN just in order to keep the benefit of using a barely usable OS
Apr 14 13:35:34 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, err I was using a proxy
Apr 14 13:35:47 <MohammadAG> but it was blocked yesterday
Apr 14 13:35:47 <fabinader> crashanddie: Thanks anyway, I will take the suggestion of removing #include_next issue to the UMIP/Nautilus mailing list...
Apr 14 13:36:23 <crashanddie> fabinader: it could very well be that I don't grasp what they're trying to accomplish -- it may make more sense to an experienced developer
Apr 14 13:36:38 <inkbottle> Hi, I'm totally newbie, i don't even have any kind of smart phone yet; my purpose here is to collect more information: what would you say n900 is better than android? (i precise i'm debian user so far; and also i'm not here for any kind of troll; and i never had any of those two phones in hand)
Apr 14 13:37:01 <crashanddie> fabinader: before asking them to change it, make a proper request for documentation -- if you're wasting time because of this, they ought to be clarifying it.
Apr 14 13:37:09 <MohammadAG> phone feaures: android
Apr 14 13:37:18 <MohammadAG> linux geek: N900
Apr 14 13:37:19 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 14 13:37:39 <DrGrov> Gooood day ya all!
Apr 14 13:37:40 <fabinader> crashanddie: sure, will try this first :) thanks a lot!
Apr 14 13:38:08 * DrGrov has to ask if PR 1.2 has become available...........
Apr 14 13:38:19 <crashanddie> DrGrov: do you have an update icon?
Apr 14 13:38:27 <frosty`> you dont *have* to DrGov
Apr 14 13:38:47 <crashanddie> inkbottle: it really depends on the kind of usage you want
Apr 14 13:39:04 <DrGrov> crashanddie: no, i haven't an update icon. haven't kept it connected to my home wlan or any other 3g/grps connection in a week or so.
Apr 14 13:39:04 <gouverneur> ~curse DrGrov
Apr 14 13:39:06 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, DrGrov !
Apr 14 13:39:18 <Treibholz> crashanddie: what do you want to do with it?
Apr 14 13:39:27 <DrGrov> crashanddie: you have an update icon available?
Apr 14 13:39:36 <crashanddie> DrGrov: yes
Apr 14 13:39:43 <Treibholz> ups, sorry
Apr 14 13:39:48 <gouverneur> I got one yesterday
Apr 14 13:39:52 <MohammadAG> DrGrov, there is an update icon even if you're offline :)
Apr 14 13:40:04 <Treibholz> inkbottle: what do you want to do with it?
Apr 14 13:40:04 <MohammadAG> third one in app manager
Apr 14 13:40:17 <inkbottle> MohammadAG, the use i target is the one of a very small computer, so N900; but i wonder if  nexus phone hardware is not way ahead; last point: wouldn't android phone have some kind of gadgets i couldn't even bear.
Apr 14 13:40:18 * nid0 facepalms
Apr 14 13:40:19 <DrGrov> MohammadAG: ah, haven't actually seen any such since it hasn't been connected to wlan or such.
Apr 14 13:40:24 <crashanddie> inkbottle: if you don't mind spending money on applications, and want a device that offers good usability and don't mind trading privacy for Google's implementation, go for the android
Apr 14 13:40:44 <DrGrov> MohammadAG: so, if I connect to my home WLAN now I should get an update icon for something... ?
Apr 14 13:40:55 <MohammadAG> ...
Apr 14 13:41:08 <DrGrov> I got one update icon a week or so for Pidgin and some other application
Apr 14 13:41:10 <gouverneur> DrGrov: depends
Apr 14 13:41:19 <DrGrov> gouverneur: depends on what? applications I keep installed?
Apr 14 13:41:20 <nid0> In fairness to the android market, the large majority of android apps are free
Apr 14 13:42:08 <inkbottle> crashanddie, Treibholz, sorry i'm been long to answer
Apr 14 13:42:11 <MohammadAG> DrGrov, if apps you have installed have been updated
Apr 14 13:42:29 <DrGrov> MohammadAG: yeah, I had apps updated but nothing major...
Apr 14 13:42:36 <DrGrov> MohammadAG: so still need to wait for PR 1.2?
Apr 14 13:42:37 <gouverneur> DrGrov: I would guess I depends on the love of our gods
Apr 14 13:42:53 <gouverneur> it...
Apr 14 13:42:59 <MohammadAG> err
Apr 14 13:43:00 <crashanddie> inkbottle: if however you want a device that will have some issues, however allows you to almost do whatever you want (only a few bits aren't open source), and you want to have a pretty unique device, want to help the community in building a better OS and framework... go for the n900
Apr 14 13:43:00 <DrGrov> gouverneur: i agree, it might be a complete fluke ....
Apr 14 13:43:21 <hrw> it is just 6.5 month to November
Apr 14 13:43:33 <MohammadAG> DrGrov, PR1.2 hasn't been released
Apr 14 13:43:43 <gouverneur> hrw: damn this close again
Apr 14 13:43:52 * gouverneur runs for christmas shopping
Apr 14 13:43:54 <JakubS_> does n900 have any api to react to sms arrival? for example to discard it?
Apr 14 13:43:59 * MohammadAG wonders if PR1.2 pings some people
Apr 14 13:44:20 <gouverneur> ~ping PR1.2
Apr 14 13:44:21 <infobot> pong PR1.2
Apr 14 13:44:33 <JakubS_> damn  1.2. I cannot install qtirreco anymore :-(
Apr 14 13:44:49 <gouverneur> ?
Apr 14 13:44:54 <inkbottle> crashanddie, Treibholz, MohammadAG: now a more specific question: what is the weight of the phone operator, on the device you have in hand, in the case of N900? (i'm not sure i made myself clear)
Apr 14 13:45:02 <gouverneur> damn qtirreco I hav installed....
Apr 14 13:45:16 <nid0> inkbottle: if you're asking about customisations from the operator, none
Apr 14 13:45:33 <JakubS_> gouverneur: probably before they started depending on packages from 1.2
Apr 14 13:45:53 <MohammadAG> inkbottle, err not sure what you mean
Apr 14 13:45:57 <gouverneur> JakubS_: I have one up to date from testing and no problems
Apr 14 13:46:13 <DrGrov> Damn I need more themes for the N900
Apr 14 13:46:19 <JakubS_> huh, let me check again
Apr 14 13:46:21 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, the dependencies depend on PR1.2 stuff
Apr 14 13:46:27 <MohammadAG> qtirreco is broken
Apr 14 13:46:35 <DrGrov> It looks so dull somehow with the regular two themes....
Apr 14 13:46:37 <gouverneur> let me check..
Apr 14 13:46:37 <MohammadAG> (I have it from before though)
Apr 14 13:46:50 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, do an apt-get upgrade in terminal
Apr 14 13:47:05 <MohammadAG> pyside* should be held back
Apr 14 13:47:18 <gouverneur> MohammadAG: I do that once a day in like update upgrade dist-upgrade order
Apr 14 13:47:33 <MohammadAG> err don't do dist-upgrades
Apr 14 13:47:35 <inkbottle> nid0, I think it's what i mean, "they" would had applications, or peaces of software or hardware, that would modify the behavior of the stuff; plus, could i change the software of my phone (eg putting debian instead of maemo, without getting into kinds of troubles.)
Apr 14 13:47:46 <inkbottle> MohammadAG,
Apr 14 13:47:47 <gouverneur> is it just from today?
Apr 14 13:48:11 <nid0> inkbottle: you cant simply replace maemo with debian, no. you can use easydebian to run debian as chroot from inside maemo though.
Apr 14 13:48:19 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, pyside-qt4-core pyside-qt4-gui should be held back
Apr 14 13:48:28 <JakubS_> yup, broken. had to reflash the phone so i lost previously installed version
Apr 14 13:48:30 <inkbottle> i think i't so in the case of android.   (?)
Apr 14 13:48:39 <gouverneur> nope
Apr 14 13:48:40 <nid0> what's so?
Apr 14 13:48:49 <inkbottle> nid0, why?
Apr 14 13:48:56 <nid0> why what?
Apr 14 13:49:20 <MohammadAG> JakubS_, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip
Apr 14 13:49:36 <MohammadAG> install all packages there then attempt to reinstall qtirreco
Apr 14 13:49:55 <JakubS_> thanks. I already got used to controlling tv with n900 :-)
Apr 14 13:50:00 <MohammadAG> inkbottle, you can install a different OS, but it will be limited
Apr 14 13:50:07 <inkbottle> nid0, i think for android, the operators add pieces of customisation.  "Why", can't i put debian instead of maemo?
Apr 14 13:50:17 <inkbottle> MohammadAG,
Apr 14 13:50:19 <inkbottle> ok
Apr 14 13:50:29 <JakubS_> google should add qt to system libs - it would be easy to target both maemo and android at the same time
Apr 14 13:50:34 <nid0> well you can if you really want to, but youll then have a phone that cant make phone calls any more
Apr 14 13:50:38 <MohammadAG> inkbottle, you can install mer, but it's not accelerated and can't use the modem (no calls)
Apr 14 13:50:42 <inkbottle> MohammadAG, limited because of the adaptation to the hardware?
Apr 14 13:50:55 <inkbottle> i see
Apr 14 13:50:58 <MohammadAG> inkbottle, no because some drivers are closed
Apr 14 13:51:08 <inkbottle> ok
Apr 14 13:51:12 <gouverneur> maybe because I apt-source the sdk aswell...
Apr 14 13:51:42 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, err
Apr 14 13:51:43 <gouverneur> well just tools actualy so a no on this...
Apr 14 13:52:05 <MohammadAG> there's no such thing as apt-source
Apr 14 13:52:05 <inkbottle> nid0, ok
Apr 14 13:52:09 <gouverneur> I have nothin held back
Apr 14 13:52:12 <|R> wow wtf, i just realised the fm radio player puts the volume at the first level above mute and can't be raised with the hardware key..
Apr 14 13:52:25 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, then you don't have devel enabled
Apr 14 13:52:32 <gouverneur> MohammadAG: I am talking literaly!
Apr 14 13:52:44 <MohammadAG> ...
Apr 14 13:52:48 <JakubS_> |R: on n900 volume sucks in general :-(
Apr 14 13:53:02 <gouverneur> you cant google do you? (well since its in dictonaries you can but you know what I mean)
Apr 14 13:53:22 <inkbottle> Now a funny question: had on of you installed gnome3/gnome-shell?
Apr 14 13:53:28 <gouverneur> MohammadAG: as I said from testing
Apr 14 13:53:50 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, packages in devel aren't broken
Apr 14 13:54:21 <gouverneur> no devel over her
Apr 14 13:54:29 <gouverneur> s/her/here/
Apr 14 13:54:29 <infobot> gouverneur meant: no devel over here
Apr 14 13:54:47 <MohammadAG> s/devel/testing/
Apr 14 13:54:47 <infobot> MohammadAG meant: gouverneur, packages in testing aren't broken
Apr 14 13:54:56 <gouverneur> you see
Apr 14 13:55:19 <gouverneur> but it is a known issue since the upgrade of the SDK so why you even try?
Apr 14 13:55:21 <MohammadAG> 10 chat windows, not thinking about what i'm saying so...
Apr 14 13:55:44 <X-Fade> gouverneur: Yes, and we're very close to an solution for this.
Apr 14 13:56:07 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, cause it works...
Apr 14 13:56:20 <gouverneur> broken != works
Apr 14 13:56:27 <gouverneur> at least on my side of the globe
Apr 14 13:56:30 <MohammadAG> oh for the love of...
Apr 14 13:56:41 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, download the package and check before you argue
Apr 14 13:56:45 <javispedro> note though that the Qt breakage is a bit worse
Apr 14 13:56:54 <javispedro> not much can be done about it..
Apr 14 13:57:27 <MohammadAG> javispedro, except installing the old packages
Apr 14 13:57:39 <MohammadAG> or rebuilding against the PR1.1.1 SDK
Apr 14 13:58:04 <gouverneur> thats what I am talking about...
Apr 14 13:58:17 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, that's what i did
Apr 14 13:58:23 <gouverneur> hehe
Apr 14 13:58:26 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, read your scroll back
Apr 14 13:58:45 <MohammadAG> i gave him old version of pyside-Qt that aren't broken
Apr 14 13:59:00 <javispedro> qt also theoretically can be put in the device since it's pretty much independent from the rest of the device
Apr 14 13:59:04 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> JakubS_, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip
Apr 14 13:59:18 <gouverneur> ah nice
Apr 14 13:59:19 <MohammadAG> javispedro, xarchiver in extras-devel :)
Apr 14 13:59:33 <javispedro> I saw the thread
Apr 14 13:59:53 <gouverneur> well well bakc to work
Apr 14 14:00:08 <javispedro> so much stuff depends on pyside already?
Apr 14 14:00:16 <MohammadAG> qtirreco does
Apr 14 14:00:31 <supertramp> guys - how do you manipulate with application menu?
Apr 14 14:00:38 <supertramp> customizing it and so on
Apr 14 14:00:41 <MohammadAG> define manipulate
Apr 14 14:00:47 <Scelt> arrange icons?
Apr 14 14:00:54 <MohammadAG> moving icons? wait for PR1.2
Apr 14 14:00:58 <Scelt> ;D
Apr 14 14:01:01 <Scelt> PR1.2!
Apr 14 14:01:17 <supertramp> yup - adding own applications to the menu (like script / executables etc)
Apr 14 14:01:29 <supertramp> or removing unwanted
Apr 14 14:01:34 <frosty`> can we get the bot to spit a daily count of the number of times PR1.2 shows up?
Apr 14 14:01:42 <MohammadAG> supertramp, make a .desktop file and place it in /usr/share/applications/hildon
Apr 14 14:01:59 <supertramp> kk - thx MohammadAG!
Apr 14 14:01:59 <MohammadAG> frosty`, download logs and count manually :P
Apr 14 14:02:20 <frosty`> MohammadAG: lol, okay.
Apr 14 14:02:24 <MohammadAG> (or just find using an app that shows how many times it's said)
Apr 14 14:02:41 <MohammadAG> or just cat the logs and wc -l them :)
Apr 14 14:03:04 <JakubS_> just look at huge and pointless thread on talk.maemo.org
Apr 14 14:03:05 <frosty`> MohammadAG: perhaps the bot can just reply with "wait, what? 1.2? where?!"
Apr 14 14:03:26 <nid0> personally i'd rather see it reply with kicking the person from the channel
Apr 14 14:04:02 <frosty`> nid0: or that =/
Apr 14 14:06:20 <MohammadAG> <nid0> personally i'd rather see it reply with kicking the person from the channel
Apr 14 14:06:25 <MohammadAG> chanserv :)
Apr 14 14:06:51 <MohammadAG> we have that on our server, but it kills instead of kicking (not using chanserv obviously) :P
Apr 14 14:08:21 <inkbottle> crashanddie, Treibholz, MohammadAG: okay then, so i'm now on the way to obtain the phone (n900), i was in line with my operator... and it seems the thing is not to be done so easily :)
Apr 14 14:08:57 <MohammadAG> oh about the customizations, they can't be done for now
Apr 14 14:09:17 <inkbottle> however i'm done with questions for now; and many thanks for all of you
Apr 14 14:09:21 <MohammadAG> but there is something about about locking the device to a SIM
Apr 14 14:09:32 <MohammadAG> (in PR1.2)
Apr 14 14:13:32 <DocScrutinizer> smebody asked for autokick?
Apr 14 14:13:53 <andrewfblack> graph of my site visitors looks like a crasy roller coster.  50 - 70 people everyday except days I post a blog post then I jump to 400 to 1200
Apr 14 14:14:06 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, please? :)
Apr 14 14:14:11 <sivang> has anyone got the note about the developer summit moved to London?
Apr 14 14:14:14 <sivang> such great news!
Apr 14 14:14:20 <autobuilder> :P
Apr 14 14:14:31 <Anss|> andrewfblack, you are almost a famous then :)
Apr 14 14:17:04 <frals> sivang: link?
Apr 14 14:18:26 <sivang> frals: I got it part of the email from FNC
Apr 14 14:18:37 <sivang> frals: so not sure where the link is, I am sure it is somewhere if you google for it.
Apr 14 14:19:39 <JakubS_> d
Apr 14 14:20:24 <JakubS_> why did i even bother with extra packages when "apt-get install qtirreco=0.3.0-1"  works
Apr 14 14:20:54 <korhojoa> MohammadAG: since apr 5'th, my logs show 93 entries of PR1.2
Apr 14 14:20:58 <supertramp> how to restrict maemo autoindexing facilities like automatic search for pictures / music etc. on specific directories?
Apr 14 14:21:06 <JakubS_> MohammadAG: pyside is not good enough for newest qtirreco because it explicitly depends on libqt4-* > 4.6
Apr 14 14:21:31 <supertramp> is it possible?
Apr 14 14:22:02 <gouverneur> supertramp: /home/user/.config/tracker
Apr 14 14:22:07 <korhojoa> just do: "head -n1 \#maemo.log && cat \#maemo.log | grep PR1.2 | wc -l" and you should get a nice statistic
Apr 14 14:22:12 <supertramp> gouverneur: thx!
Apr 14 14:22:36 <sivang> supertramp: alexander ? :)
Apr 14 14:22:46 <gouverneur> supertramp: copy tracker to tracker.bak before you srew up
Apr 14 14:23:00 <gouverneur> s/srew/screw/
Apr 14 14:23:00 <infobot> gouverneur meant: supertramp: copy tracker to tracker.bak before you screw up
Apr 14 14:23:11 <supertramp> gouverneur: understand :)
Apr 14 14:23:14 <korhojoa> s/test/fail
Apr 14 14:23:31 <supertramp> sivang: my hero :)
Apr 14 14:27:18 <sivang> supertramp: super apple ?
Apr 14 14:27:41 <zash> sivang: suger apple?
Apr 14 14:27:45 <supertramp> supersonic
Apr 14 14:29:43 <gouverneur> supertramp: what do you want to change?
Apr 14 14:29:51 <GAN900> Too early in the morning.
Apr 14 14:30:19 <supertramp> gouverneur: myself mostly
Apr 14 14:31:11 <gouverneur> supertramp: first step in the right direction...
Apr 14 14:33:10 <supertramp> :)
Apr 14 14:35:28 <supertramp> I'm missing rc.local - if I do script in init.d - link it into the rc2.d - after all - it's ignored during next start (not started)
Apr 14 14:35:39 <supertramp> any idea how to proceed? :)
Apr 14 14:39:29 <gouverneur> supertramp: what does your script with "$script start" initiated
Apr 14 14:41:40 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: sleep away your jetlag!
Apr 14 14:42:01 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, no time! No time!
Apr 14 14:43:09 <peetah> gni ? no mpd for N900 ?
Apr 14 14:43:29 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: you were going west? so dawning in the middle of the night now?
Apr 14 14:43:57 <DocScrutinizer> err east
Apr 14 14:44:46 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, woke up at 7 local, 10 EDT
Apr 14 14:45:19 <peetah> I can find several clients but no port of the server ... am I blind or has'nt it been ported ?
Apr 14 14:45:41 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: 3h - that's nothing pal ;-P
Apr 14 14:47:11 <supertramp> gouverneur: yup - it has complete 'lifecycle' implemented
Apr 14 14:47:24 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, yeah, well, 3 hours last night, 9 hours of flying and Texrat getting in at 11:30 last night.
Apr 14 14:47:32 <GAN900> er, 3 hours night before.
Apr 14 14:47:41 <supertramp> there must be some maemo trick :)
Apr 14 14:49:36 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: anyway, enjoy your time. Fight for a good meego :-)
Apr 14 14:53:29 <DocScrutinizer> once again for some advertisement :-P
Apr 14 14:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html
Apr 14 14:55:03 <supertramp> are you guys using devel kernels?
Apr 14 14:55:11 * till- wants c6 with maemo
Apr 14 14:55:22 <supertramp> what's c6?
Apr 14 14:55:31 <Joonas> new Nokia phone?
Apr 14 14:55:50 <DocScrutinizer> ctrl+backspace behaves like alt-tab on desktop (at least on KDE). While ctrl is pressed, every press of backspace rotates the windows. When ctrl is released, the selected (top left) window is activated. :-))
Apr 14 14:56:23 <till-> yes new phone with qwerty
Apr 14 14:56:32 <supertramp> nice
Apr 14 14:56:41 <till-> i like the slim design
Apr 14 14:56:44 * DocScrutinizer wonders how much cuter matan has to be, compared to Nokia GUI designers
Apr 14 14:56:53 <hrw> till-: 640x360px rather
Apr 14 14:57:11 <till-> maemomized of course :)
Apr 14 14:57:20 <SpeedEvil> neat!
Apr 14 14:57:21 <BCMM_> did somebody says the other day that Flashlight ( http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Flashlight&fldAuto=1059&faq=43 ) will kill the flash LED?
Apr 14 14:57:23 <supertramp> c6 will be linux-based?
Apr 14 14:57:29 <hrw> supertramp: no, s60
Apr 14 14:57:30 <till-> nope, s60
Apr 14 14:57:34 <peetah> noone about MPD ?
Apr 14 14:57:36 <supertramp> blah
Apr 14 14:57:38 <supertramp> s60 sucks
Apr 14 14:57:43 <till-> but i hope the n900 successor will be something like the c6
Apr 14 14:57:54 <till-> in terms of design
Apr 14 14:58:01 <nid0> it wont be
Apr 14 14:58:21 <till-> and with xenon flash
Apr 14 14:58:33 <DocScrutinizer> C6 is a newly invented cpu-suspend state, where the cpu is suspended so deep it even creates power to recharge the battery
Apr 14 14:59:45 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: no, flashlight is considered safe. At least it's been last time I checked
Apr 14 14:59:45 <nid0> personally I do desperately hope that the C6 is an indication that nokia have realised just how dreadfully awful 3line keyboards are, and have gone back to adding at least one more
Apr 14 14:59:53 <supertramp> ah - maemo is using upstart not init.d
Apr 14 14:59:55 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: good good, looks useful
Apr 14 14:59:56 <till-> http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-77621-galleryV9-cluv.jpg
Apr 14 15:00:44 <BCMM_> talking of the camera, i'm being a little dense - how do i shoot video?
Apr 14 15:00:59 <zash> DocScrutinizer: thats nothing, the next-gen C7 state allows a dualcore system to use one CPU to power the other!
Apr 14 15:01:03 <BCMM_> (i mean, short of just starting mencoder)
Apr 14 15:01:07 <till-> is there any information about a n900 successor?
Apr 14 15:01:33 <till-> i've only heard something about second half of 2010
Apr 14 15:01:41 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: (3row kbd) ack!!
Apr 14 15:02:07 <nid0> tbh 4row should be the barest minimum, decent devices deserve 5row
Apr 14 15:03:30 <BCMM_> ok i really cannot find the video recording button...
Apr 14 15:04:08 <MiXu-> The same way you take pictures?
Apr 14 15:04:49 <BCMM_> ah, it's a mode
Apr 14 15:04:52 <BCMM_> like macro mode
Apr 14 15:04:56 <BCMM_> fair enough i suppose
Apr 14 15:05:04 <MiXu-> yup
Apr 14 15:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> you ever checked the N97mini kbd and 'slide' mechanism? though I don't like the haptics of the 'slide' it still has an obvious advantage of potentially freeing more real estate for kbd, And actuall the 3 minutes I checked the N97 kbd I found it to be more useable than N900 kbd
Apr 14 15:05:55 <MiXu-> DocScrutinizer: I agree
Apr 14 15:06:03 <nid0> I dont much like the slide system on the n97 - the C6 proves nokia can fit a 4line keyboard into a flat slider, though
Apr 14 15:06:15 <nid0> with what looks like a decent enough gap for the top row not to be akward
Apr 14 15:06:34 <nid0> that or they need to go back to communicator-style clamshell, which has tons of room for a big 5line
Apr 14 15:06:36 <javispedro> like on the n810, but i much prefer the n810 keyboard even with the awkard top row
Apr 14 15:06:47 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: I consider this a mayor fail of GUI design. Would like better to have a big selection menu popping up on cam-gui 'start' with 2 buttons [still cam] and [video]
Apr 14 15:07:07 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: i did think it was rather unintuitive
Apr 14 15:07:10 <vadearlst> hi
Apr 14 15:07:23 <nid0> I always found the camera mode selection to be obvious as hell
Apr 14 15:07:23 <vadearlst> what's 3+3x3+3? is it 15 or 21?
Apr 14 15:07:28 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: i mean, video isn't really another "mode" like sports and macro
Apr 14 15:07:42 <BCMM_> then again, reduces the number of things on the screen
Apr 14 15:07:51 <nid0> having it popup on start would be a pain because 1) it's 1 more button to click than it is now for every time I want to reuse what I did last time
Apr 14 15:08:12 <nid0> and 2) you'd still need an option on the screen somewhere so you could swap between them without having to close and reopen the camera
Apr 14 15:08:54 <vadearlst> do any of u know if its 21 or 15
Apr 14 15:09:03 <vadearlst> 3+3x3+3 = 21 or 15?
Apr 14 15:09:48 <n900-dk> vadearlst: 15
Apr 14 15:09:55 <nid0> 3+3x3+3 = 21, 3+(3x3)+3 = 15
Apr 14 15:10:08 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: the point is it's a PITA to start your cam by opening the slider, then have to fiddle clumsy settings to switch to mode you want
Apr 14 15:10:11 <vadearlst> its 21 but
Apr 14 15:10:19 <vadearlst> every1 on this game is sayign its 15 o.O
Apr 14 15:10:27 <nid0> they need to l2maths
Apr 14 15:10:35 <vadearlst> is matsh different in USA?
Apr 14 15:10:37 <vadearlst> to england?
Apr 14 15:10:41 <vadearlst> maths*
Apr 14 15:10:54 <nid0> if it is, americans are more stupid than I ever gave them credit for
Apr 14 15:11:02 <vadearlst> lol thx
Apr 14 15:11:02 <nid0> and I gave them a *lot* of credit for that already
Apr 14 15:11:31 <ormiret> vadearlst: it's 15, x has higher priority than +
Apr 14 15:11:34 <BCMM_> what is "optification"?
Apr 14 15:11:44 <nid0> putting stuff in /opt
Apr 14 15:11:49 <X-Fade> ~optification
Apr 14 15:11:50 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs
Apr 14 15:12:09 <BCMM_> thanks
Apr 14 15:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> ~3+3*3+3
Apr 14 15:12:40 <nid0> ormiret no it doesnt, equations are linear, thats what brackets exist for
Apr 14 15:12:40 <infobot> 15
Apr 14 15:12:48 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Apr 14 15:12:49 <nid0> infobot cant do maths either
Apr 14 15:13:33 <DocScrutinizer> obviously, yeah
Apr 14 15:13:50 <ormiret> nid0: no, different operations have different precedence, http://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/vol7/order_operations.html
Apr 14 15:16:07 <BCMM_> can somebody help me identify something in a screenshot?
Apr 14 15:16:33 <BCMM_> what is the widget here that isn't flashlight? http://my-maemo.com/grafika/flashlight.jpg
Apr 14 15:16:56 <vadearlst> hang on, so 3+3*3+3 = 15 or 21? o.o
Apr 14 15:17:00 <BCMM_> it looks like it might be a button to let you take photos using the front camera, but i can't find such a program
Apr 14 15:17:14 <BCMM_> (yes, i know i can probably just use mplayer)
Apr 14 15:17:25 <n900-dk> vadearlst: Still 15 ;)
Apr 14 15:17:27 <Scelt> vadearlst: 15
Apr 14 15:17:30 <vadearlst> y though o.O
Apr 14 15:17:42 <Scelt> * first, then +
Apr 14 15:17:50 <vadearlst> how can u do * first
Apr 14 15:17:55 <Scelt> math rules
Apr 14 15:17:59 <vadearlst> are u a maths teacher? -.-
Apr 14 15:18:00 <vadearlst> lol
Apr 14 15:18:04 <Scelt> * and / first, + and - follow
Apr 14 15:18:16 <vadearlst> isnt that on a calctulator..
Apr 14 15:18:23 <Scelt> what
Apr 14 15:18:23 <ormiret> vadearlst: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations
Apr 14 15:18:34 <n900-dk> vadearlst: Buy a new one
Apr 14 15:18:39 <vadearlst> lol
Apr 14 15:18:44 <vadearlst> im sure its 21!
Apr 14 15:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: I have to admit your objections to my idea with cam are valid. How about that: have 4 applauncher icons - [video] [still] [torch] [selector menu], on clicking one of them the corresponding screen pops up and asks for opening the cam slider. Selector menu is the aforementioned 2 (3?) button screen to select between video, still, and torch. If you open slider without previously hitting one of the icons, it comes up with same mode you
Apr 14 15:18:53 <vadearlst> every1s saying its 15
Apr 14 15:18:54 <DocScrutinizer> selected via icons last time you used them
Apr 14 15:19:34 <Scelt> vadearlst: it would 21 if it was (3+3)*(3+3)
Apr 14 15:19:40 <zash> vadearlst: it's 36 of course!
Apr 14 15:19:53 <vadearlst> but
Apr 14 15:19:56 <Scelt> vadearlst: sorry, said wrong :>
Apr 14 15:19:59 <ormiret> Scelt: no, that would be 81
Apr 14 15:20:04 <zash> Scelt: you mean (((3+3)*3)+3)
Apr 14 15:20:10 <vadearlst> isnt it 3+3 then x 3 then +3?
Apr 14 15:20:11 <Scelt> ormiret: yeah. didn't think it thru
Apr 14 15:20:26 <Scelt> vadearlst: no, 3x3, then 3+, then +3
Apr 14 15:20:29 <nid0> DocScrutinizer: I'd think an easier solution might be camera launcher and slider just open into the last used mode as now, but with another button at the bottom next to the geotag option with a picture of whatever mode you're currently in, and clicking it giving you the choice between the three
Apr 14 15:20:37 <vadearlst> but im sure i remember in school
Apr 14 15:20:41 <vadearlst> that some1 said that
Apr 14 15:20:45 <vadearlst> and the teacher said thats wrong
Apr 14 15:20:47 <Scelt> girls have nice tits
Apr 14 15:20:54 <nid0> that way it's split out from the shoot mode option, and would be plainly obvious as to what the button refers to
Apr 14 15:20:57 <Scelt> that's what you learn in school
Apr 14 15:21:11 <ormiret> Scelt: ah, yes you'd corrected yourself before I did. Must learn to type gaster to be able to feel superior :)
Apr 14 15:21:39 <vadearlst> hhmm
Apr 14 15:21:44 <vadearlst> so ur 100% sure its 15?
Apr 14 15:22:10 <vadearlst> my brother got a B in maths and i asked him and he said 21 straight away..
Apr 14 15:22:10 <frals> anyone got a clue why im only getting voicemail when using http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/OssoABookContactChooser.html#osso-abook-contact-chooser-new ?
Apr 14 15:22:29 <frals> B in maths at what level lol
Apr 14 15:22:31 <Scelt> ormiret: yeah. I didn't really think about it, just thought that's the common the error and maybe vadearlst calculated it that way. then I checked it out and realized I was very wrong :P
Apr 14 15:22:42 <vadearlst> wat do u lvl? o.o
Apr 14 15:22:56 <Scelt> vadearlst: it's 15. that's sure
Apr 14 15:23:00 <vadearlst> but
Apr 14 15:23:07 <vadearlst> i just argued with about 50 people on a game
Apr 14 15:23:08 <ormiret> vadearlst: ask google if you don't believe us: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=3%2B3*3%2B3 (note google puts in the brackets in the answer)
Apr 14 15:23:10 <vadearlst> saying its 21
Apr 14 15:23:11 <vadearlst> lol
Apr 14 15:23:12 <Scelt> vadearlst: at least if you live in this same world
Apr 14 15:23:15 <frals> its 15
Apr 14 15:23:26 <pupnik> hey i dont like the gamma curve in all lighting situations
Apr 14 15:23:28 <vadearlst> dam ok
Apr 14 15:23:33 <vadearlst> bye
Apr 14 15:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: this doesn't open up room for nice implementation of things like torch. Also the cam-gui seems to provide no way right now to switch to a particular setting from e.g. a script or the like
Apr 14 15:23:55 <frals> wait he joined this chan to get math help? O_o
Apr 14 15:24:06 <pupnik> will someone write for me an advanced display applet thst uses hardware to adjust gamma: :)
Apr 14 15:24:38 <DocScrutinizer> friggin BS, some of you quite school after 12 months? operator precedence is a topic of 2nd class iirc
Apr 14 15:25:31 <nid0> DocScrutinizer: Thats true, but it just seems as though having 2-3+ entirely separate app launcher icons would be cluttering things up a lot
Apr 14 15:25:41 <nid0> rather than just dealing with it entirely once inside the app
Apr 14 15:25:50 <DocScrutinizer> 3+3*3+3 = 3+(3*3)+3 = 15 PERIOD
Apr 14 15:26:12 <Wolfie> hey guys... if something has a version of 1.2.3-foo, what's that "foo" part called?
Apr 14 15:26:39 <Scelt> DocScrutinizer: but how about pr 1.2?
Apr 14 15:30:30 * lcuk overloads some of DocScrutinizer's operators to really futz with him
Apr 14 15:30:54 <achipa> RPN FTW :)
Apr 14 15:30:56 * DocScrutinizer assert()s
Apr 14 15:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> HP42 FTW
Apr 14 15:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> Scelt: how about autokicker on regex '.*1\.2.*\?' ?
Apr 14 15:32:09 <Treibholz> bc FTW!
Apr 14 15:32:33 <achipa> had a 48gx back in the days...
Apr 14 15:32:57 <ptl> lcuk: for me the liqbase pictures are not showing up -- http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/
Apr 14 15:33:38 <lcuk> i dont think they ever have ptl
Apr 14 15:33:54 <ptl> lcuk: oh, ok :P
Apr 14 15:34:13 <javispedro> lcuk: hey, that site is nice.  any reason you're not using it? =)
Apr 14 15:35:43 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: agree on clutter problem. Anyway now you already got camera and torch icon. You're free to keep any number of icons you feel you want to use, and simply discard the other ones
Apr 14 15:35:51 <lcuk> javispedro, only editing caps - that + blog would be great for liqbase.net
Apr 14 15:36:05 <javispedro> ah, no php
Apr 14 15:36:28 <BCMM_> is it possible to make the n900 play the microphone
Apr 14 15:36:48 <frals> god going crazy
Apr 14 15:36:50 <BCMM_> (as in, output what the mic hears through the speakers or over FM)
Apr 14 15:36:52 <javispedro> parec | paplay
Apr 14 15:37:08 <frals> when i launch fmms from shortcut the osso-abook-contact-chooser-new lists all contacts
Apr 14 15:37:17 <frals> but when launched from share-via service it only shows friggin voicemail
Apr 14 15:37:42 <frals> and the share-via is just a dbus call to launch the application, so it *should* do everything exactly the same as when launched manually
Apr 14 15:38:03 <BCMM_> javispedro: i don't seem to have those; are they in a non-$PATH directory?
Apr 14 15:38:19 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: main problem with cluttering app launcher though is the lack of decent user-configurable subfolders. And catorize doesn't really do a good job wrt this, as it's a PITA to configure to your own needs, rather it follows braindamaged HAM categories
Apr 14 15:38:43 <nid0> yar, a fully folderable app launcher would be the proper solution
Apr 14 15:39:37 <nid0> but then, I also like having a method of swapping between camera modes while already in the camera application, without having to close and relaunch it :>
Apr 14 15:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> agreed, we shouldn't disable that one. Though with the solution I've sketched above I'd be perfectly happy with the way it's done now, inside cam app
Apr 14 15:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: should be possible (audio->FM)
Apr 14 15:43:13 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: i presumed that javispedro was talking to me when he said parec | paplay
Apr 14 15:43:18 <DocScrutinizer> aah javispedro already answered that
Apr 14 15:43:32 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: i know general audio can go to fm; wondering about piping the mic to fm
Apr 14 15:43:49 <javispedro> BCMM_: pulseaudio-utils package
Apr 14 15:44:18 <javispedro> through it's not-optified in nokia repo and paplay doesn't seem to want to pipe frm another program (does it expect a sane riff header or what?)
Apr 14 15:44:36 <BCMM_> javispedro: worked taht out with apt-cache, but i get write() failed: Broken pipe
Apr 14 15:44:48 <DocScrutinizer> playsound seems a possible alternative to paplay
Apr 14 15:44:56 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Apr 14 15:46:03 <javispedro> ah
Apr 14 15:46:07 <javispedro> pacat -r | pacat -p
Apr 14 15:46:11 <javispedro> seems to work better
Apr 14 15:46:22 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Apr 14 15:46:31 <BCMM_> hmm
Apr 14 15:46:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart pulseaudio
Apr 14 15:46:31 * infobot gives pulseaudio a good seeing to
Apr 14 15:46:36 <BCMM_> don't even know which microphone
Apr 14 15:46:43 <BCMM_> (it would use
Apr 14 15:46:43 <javispedro> "which microphone"?
Apr 14 15:46:47 <javispedro> is there more than one?
Apr 14 15:46:53 <BCMM_> i think so
Apr 14 15:47:05 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: is it so?
Apr 14 15:47:18 <DocScrutinizer> builtin and headset, yes
Apr 14 15:47:32 <javispedro> ah, external
Apr 14 15:47:38 <DocScrutinizer> though I guess they're mutually exclusive
Apr 14 15:47:52 <BCMM_> oh, i guess there is only one
Apr 14 15:47:57 <BCMM_> i had thought there was one on the front
Apr 14 15:48:39 <javispedro> tada, you already have fm karaoke
Apr 14 15:48:47 <DocScrutinizer> (mutex) not on a hw level, but probably in the way alsa/pa handles them
Apr 14 15:49:02 <javispedro> bah, i'm to bored to start fiddling with pa again now
Apr 14 15:49:02 <BCMM_> hmm don't think that's working
Apr 14 15:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: \o/ LOL
Apr 14 15:49:13 <BCMM_> well, taht or the mic is really good at avoiding wind noises
Apr 14 15:49:39 <BCMM_> ah!
Apr 14 15:49:49 <BCMM_> the silent profile actually mutes the speakers
Apr 14 15:49:55 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: Alsa seems to thing there are two recording devices: bluetooth i2s and aic32
Apr 14 15:49:58 <javispedro> er.. aic34
Apr 14 15:50:17 <korhojoa> this makes a nice looper
Apr 14 15:50:20 <korhojoa> just set the volume right
Apr 14 15:50:24 <korhojoa> and it'll be around forever
Apr 14 15:50:32 <javispedro> yeah, don't do that
Apr 14 15:50:39 <javispedro> it makes kittens cry
Apr 14 15:50:43 <korhojoa> what
Apr 14 15:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> there's exactly one mic, and they seem to pretend it's on the mini hole lower left (in portrait) - though actually it senses thru the gap between the two device halves
Apr 14 15:50:51 <korhojoa> uniform noise makes kitteis cry?
Apr 14 15:50:57 <korhojoa> s/kitteis/kitties/
Apr 14 15:50:58 <infobot> korhojoa meant: uniform noise makes kitties cry?
Apr 14 15:51:00 <javispedro> ;)
Apr 14 15:51:41 <korhojoa> i like the 250 ms delay it induces
Apr 14 15:52:08 <javispedro> the wonders of modern technology
Apr 14 15:52:19 <korhojoa> you can now call yourself on your own phone
Apr 14 15:52:22 <korhojoa> wow, that's awesome
Apr 14 15:52:42 <javispedro> the fm tx is mostly useless
Apr 14 15:52:47 * DocScrutinizer suggests arecord|aplay  --  better configurability of such things like buffer size, thresholds etc pp
Apr 14 15:53:25 <javispedro> without a good external antenna conneted to the headphones plug
Apr 14 15:53:51 <DocScrutinizer> err what?
Apr 14 15:54:10 <korhojoa> huh
Apr 14 15:54:13 <korhojoa> mine works fine
Apr 14 15:54:17 <DocScrutinizer> TX is a separate dedicated built in antenna afaik
Apr 14 15:54:18 <korhojoa> even with the default strenght
Apr 14 15:54:21 <javispedro> any cable near the thing will improve signal...
Apr 14 15:54:30 <DocScrutinizer> aah ok
Apr 14 15:55:06 * javispedro can hear himself type in fm, with delay. spooky.
Apr 14 15:55:07 <DocScrutinizer> though I heard rumours about FM-TX disabled on hs-jackinsert
Apr 14 15:55:28 <javispedro> it is disabled, but by userspace. a single ioctl is enough to make it work again.
Apr 14 15:55:40 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, of course
Apr 14 15:56:38 <DocScrutinizer> I even succeeded to create a FM OTA feedback loop ;-P
Apr 14 15:57:03 <korhojoa> can you transmit and recieve fm at the same time?
Apr 14 15:57:11 <DocScrutinizer> that's about all I got to know whether my FM-TX is working :-)
Apr 14 15:57:12 <korhojoa> this would allow hands-free in cars easily
Apr 14 15:57:15 <javispedro> theoretically yes.
Apr 14 15:57:27 <javispedro> you cannot use the mic and fm-radio at the same time afaiu.
Apr 14 15:57:30 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: even practically
Apr 14 15:57:36 <korhojoa> why not?
Apr 14 15:57:51 <korhojoa> does it use the mic input as the antenna?
Apr 14 15:58:18 <javispedro> no, the mixup is at the audio codec level. but I don't remember the exact details at the top of my head, so don't take my word on this.
Apr 14 15:58:31 <DocScrutinizer> must be another userland limitation then
Apr 14 15:59:00 <javispedro> well, you have aic34 datasheet and rx-51 schematics :)
Apr 14 15:59:06 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 14 15:59:34 <DocScrutinizer> honestly too lazy to check right now. Audio is awful
Apr 14 15:59:44 <javispedro> i did check a month or so ago
Apr 14 16:00:01 <javispedro> found that there's a fm -> speaker "analog bypass" and asked here why it was not used
Apr 14 16:00:14 <javispedro> answer: breaks speakers :)
Apr 14 16:00:18 <DocScrutinizer> btw I do *not* have AIC34 ds
Apr 14 16:00:30 <javispedro> iirc it's just two aic32 glued together or sth like that
Apr 14 16:01:02 <DocScrutinizer> yep it's two of them
Apr 14 16:01:17 <DocScrutinizer> only one is ''really used''
Apr 14 16:01:30 <DocScrutinizer> the other one just an amp or somesuch
Apr 14 16:01:41 <javispedro> tlv320aic3x this is the exact model per alsa driver
Apr 14 16:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> for earpiece
Apr 14 16:02:52 <javispedro> hey, if it not weren't for the poor range this works pretty well
Apr 14 16:03:03 <javispedro> s/not//
Apr 14 16:03:03 <infobot> javispedro meant: hey, if it  weren't for the poor range this works pretty well
Apr 14 16:03:16 <DocScrutinizer> karaoke?
Apr 14 16:03:27 <javispedro> delay might make it bad
Apr 14 16:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> or what exactly?
Apr 14 16:04:07 <javispedro> dunno, just pointing that :)
Apr 14 16:04:43 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: what exactly is working pretty well?
Apr 14 16:05:38 <javispedro> I can put the thing on the contiguous room and listen
Apr 14 16:05:47 <javispedro> :D
Apr 14 16:06:18 <javispedro> volume is okey
Apr 14 16:06:27 <DocScrutinizer> what setup do you use to do that? fm-karaoke? or parec|paplay? or what?
Apr 14 16:06:38 <javispedro> pacat -r | pacat -p
Apr 14 16:06:44 <DocScrutinizer> aah kk
Apr 14 16:06:55 <zash> parec|pacat
Apr 14 16:07:08 <wazd> hello there people :)
Apr 14 16:07:13 <javispedro> hello wazd
Apr 14 16:07:22 <DocScrutinizer> howdy
Apr 14 16:08:10 <wazd> Vlad has sent an e-mail to Quim if we can keep single n900 for OMW developement :)
Apr 14 16:08:29 <DocScrutinizer> err what?
Apr 14 16:08:42 * javispedro yawns over fm
Apr 14 16:08:53 <wazd> DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49398
Apr 14 16:09:05 <javispedro> I am like a child with apair of new shoes, as we say :)
Apr 14 16:09:05 <DocScrutinizer> yay, virulence multiplier
Apr 14 16:10:19 <javispedro> to be honest am I using the n900 as tx and pc as rx and the delay is like 0.5 sec
Apr 14 16:10:38 <javispedro> not bad considering audio travels through TWO instances of pulseaudio :)
Apr 14 16:14:12 <yuizy_> how can i get root inside scratchbox?
Apr 14 16:14:22 <timeless_mbp> you don't
Apr 14 16:14:24 <timeless_mbp> you use 'fakeroot'
Apr 14 16:16:12 <SpeedEvil> Is there a netpbm or similar package anywhere?
Apr 14 16:17:08 <yuizy_> ah, thanks
Apr 14 16:17:39 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: aiui you're council?
Apr 14 16:17:50 <javispedro> er... yes?
Apr 14 16:18:12 <supertramp> please - could you recommend cpu monitoring widget? not consuming too much resources?
Apr 14 16:18:23 <SpeedEvil> supertramp: the cpu-applet works well
Apr 14 16:18:27 <Shapeshifter> Two people got their HTC desires yesterday and were showing them off to me. The screen has very nice colors, much nicer the the n900 one. On the other hand, it's clearly less sharp and the fonts look fuzzy. But it's quite neat overall. well, for an android phone ;)
Apr 14 16:18:54 <Clickety> well
Apr 14 16:19:03 <Clickety> to be honest the whole physical design of the n900 looks pretty dated
Apr 14 16:19:09 <Clickety> compared to other phones on the market
Apr 14 16:19:09 <supertramp> SpeedEvil: thx
Apr 14 16:19:40 <Clickety> ie. small screen compared to the device size, u cant really use the keyboard with headphones plugged in
Apr 14 16:19:44 <GAN900> No N900 in the Linux mobile device slide. :(
Apr 14 16:19:46 <timeless_mbp> Clickety: perhaps because it was designed 3 years ago?
Apr 14 16:20:10 <Clickety> it has only been out for like 6 months though
Apr 14 16:20:19 <supertramp> SpeedEvil: this one? cpumem-applet - Show CPU and memory usage in small status-area icon.
Apr 14 16:20:19 <Shapeshifter> Clickety: I agree the usb and phone jacks are two of the major things that annoy me.
Apr 14 16:20:22 <timeless_mbp> yeah, but it wasn't designed yesterday!
Apr 14 16:20:24 <SpeedEvil> supertramp: load-applet even
Apr 14 16:20:29 <SpeedEvil> supertramp: or that one
Apr 14 16:20:41 <supertramp> ok :)
Apr 14 16:20:58 <ShadowJK> desire's screen is probably the same strange thing as nexus
Apr 14 16:21:03 <Shapeshifter> overall, the one thing that annoys me most is that it's slow.
Apr 14 16:21:07 <Shapeshifter> ShadowJK: yep, identical.
Apr 14 16:21:21 <ShadowJK> where you only have 800x480 green pixels, and less of red and blue
Apr 14 16:21:28 <Shapeshifter> ShadowJK: the colors are very sweet for looking at pictures, but for work/text it sucks.
Apr 14 16:23:40 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: heyho
Apr 14 16:23:51 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: hello chap.
Apr 14 16:24:29 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: checked your alarmed app recently? Seems repo version has borked dependencies (I heard)
Apr 14 16:25:01 <Shapeshifter> oh yes it has. pyside was built for pr1.2 and now it's impossible to install alarmed.
Apr 14 16:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> crap!
Apr 14 16:25:39 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart pr1.2-autobuilder madness
Apr 14 16:25:39 * infobot whacks pr1.2-autobuilder madness upside the head
Apr 14 16:25:53 <Shapeshifter> I can't imagine why they switched autobuilder to pr1.2 this early without releasing the update for the device.
Apr 14 16:26:11 * MohammadAG has the old PySide debs
Apr 14 16:26:17 <DocScrutinizer> actually it was a terribly poor decision
Apr 14 16:26:31 <Wolfie> something to do with communication between left and right extremeties?
Apr 14 16:26:35 <Wolfie> or the lack thereof
Apr 14 16:26:49 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, you made alarmed right?
Apr 14 16:26:54 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: yes.
Apr 14 16:27:05 <slonopotamus> Shapeshifter: because they can? :)
Apr 14 16:27:13 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, and you can change the control file to use old dependencies, right?
Apr 14 16:27:18 <GAN900> Don't assume people are stupid. ;)
Apr 14 16:27:26 * MohammadAG gets to the point
Apr 14 16:27:30 * DocScrutinizer always thought *-devel and *.testing were for USERS who feel adventurous, NOT for devels to merely check their local build will work same as the autobuilder
Apr 14 16:27:39 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 14 16:27:39 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: I can?! D: I didn't know. It was my first deb package ever.
Apr 14 16:27:53 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, err yes, I was just trying to be a smartass :P
Apr 14 16:28:08 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: let me see...
Apr 14 16:28:11 <MohammadAG> libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16)
Apr 14 16:28:15 <MohammadAG> example ^
Apr 14 16:28:21 <MohammadAG> change the package name and version
Apr 14 16:28:31 <javispedro> is that really the issue?
Apr 14 16:28:33 <MohammadAG> (assuming the old debs are there, if not, upload them)
Apr 14 16:31:56 <GAN900> Hacked up Jobs video in Zemlin's talk
Apr 14 16:32:05 <GAN900> Jobs sure love adjectives
Apr 14 16:32:07 <javispedro> wtf
Apr 14 16:32:17 <javispedro> I open the linux foundation video only to see steve jobs talking
Apr 14 16:32:29 <javispedro> *live video
Apr 14 16:32:31 <MohammadAG> XD
Apr 14 16:32:42 <MohammadAG> javispedro, he reinvented linux
Apr 14 16:33:26 <javispedro> freeeeeedom. *yawns*
Apr 14 16:33:43 <PhonicUK> hey all
Apr 14 16:33:52 <GAN900> javispedro, +1
Apr 14 16:34:22 <PhonicUK> anyone know if its possible to run a script when an active internet connection drops?
Apr 14 16:35:32 <timeless_mbp> i believe so
Apr 14 16:35:36 <timeless_mbp> i think the vpn stuff does
Apr 14 16:35:39 <zash> if-down ?
Apr 14 16:36:24 <DocScrutinizer> wtf an idea of freedom has Steveboy Jobs?
Apr 14 16:36:41 * javispedro ponders if he tuned to an apple keynote
Apr 14 16:36:50 <zash> PhonicUK: on random linux systems, /etc/network/if-down/
Apr 14 16:36:56 <javispedro> ah no, no blue over white slides
Apr 14 16:37:03 <javispedro> er..
Apr 14 16:37:05 <javispedro> nothing.
Apr 14 16:37:26 <DocScrutinizer> link?
Apr 14 16:37:47 <DocScrutinizer> though... nevermind ;-P
Apr 14 16:37:47 <ptl> PhonicUK: /etc/network/if-up.d and /etc/network/if-down.d
Apr 14 16:37:53 <ptl> PhonicUK: look at the examples there
Apr 14 16:38:06 * GAN900 thinks there's an Intel meeting on.
Apr 14 16:38:09 <ptl> PhonicUK: you can also use dbus, it gets more details than these networkmanager scripts
Apr 14 16:38:15 <Shapeshifter> I'll never understand deb packaging, apt or why people think it's so effin great
Apr 14 16:38:18 <GAN900> Every Intel person in the room just shot out the door.
Apr 14 16:38:32 <ptl> what are you guys watching?
Apr 14 16:38:34 * javispedro fails to see GAN
Apr 14 16:38:54 <GAN900> I'm waay in the back
Apr 14 16:38:55 <X-Fade> So, feed url known already?
Apr 14 16:38:56 <javispedro> ptl: linux foundation collaboration summit started
Apr 14 16:38:57 <lcuk> GAN900, where did they get their intel from?
Apr 14 16:39:00 <GAN900> with Texrat and dneary
Apr 14 16:39:10 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, because it is :)
Apr 14 16:39:13 <Shapeshifter> http://pastie.org/919615 so, it says something was automatically installed, and then it says that it will be newly installed?
Apr 14 16:39:24 <DocScrutinizer> lol, ok please share a link - this seems to be funny
Apr 14 16:39:30 <n900-dk> Anyone seen something like 'Handy Profiles' on Symbian for maemo? An app that automatically switches profile..
Apr 14 16:39:30 <ptl> javispedro: ok.. thanks. So I guess there's a really important presentation going on
Apr 14 16:39:48 <Shapeshifter> pyside-qt4-phonen -> automatically installed and no longer required...... following NEW packages will be installed: pyside-qt4-phonen
Apr 14 16:39:52 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, I take back what I said, wtf
Apr 14 16:40:07 <ptl> Shapeshifter: different versions, maybe
Apr 14 16:40:09 <javispedro> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/
Apr 14 16:40:15 <DocScrutinizer> ta
Apr 14 16:40:28 <GAN900> javispedro, also: you suck for not being here.
Apr 14 16:40:29 <ptl> thanks again, javispedro
Apr 14 16:40:31 <MohammadAG> ptl, a remove wouldn't upgrade
Apr 14 16:40:33 <X-Fade> Hmm register for a stream ;)
Apr 14 16:40:39 <GAN900> javispedro, not enough Maemo people. :P
Apr 14 16:40:57 <javispedro> GAN900: take  you all your N900s out and blind those intel guys!!
Apr 14 16:41:14 <GAN900> javispedro, only brought my RX-51
Apr 14 16:41:33 <GAN900> Really weird that Zemlin didn't put the N900 in his Linux smartphone slide.
Apr 14 16:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> register??? pffft
Apr 14 16:42:07 <javispedro> he had a strong enough reason: the n900 doesn't use RPM ;)
Apr 14 16:42:16 <GAN900> lol
Apr 14 16:42:20 <GAN900> Palm was up there
Apr 14 16:42:22 <GAN900> Android
Apr 14 16:42:31 <petteri> nice attitude :D
Apr 14 16:42:49 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: seems they fear to overload the broadcasting server -- I think there's like 120 slots, with only 33 filled so far.
Apr 14 16:43:09 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/919615 yeah. so it downloaded phonon and installed it, so that I was able to remove it with autoremove again.
Apr 14 16:43:11 <javispedro> GAN900: ok, inexcusable.
Apr 14 16:43:12 <DocScrutinizer> so f***it
Apr 14 16:43:31 <GAN900> javispedro, yeah, weird.
Apr 14 16:43:52 <GAN900> IBM guy has terrible slides
Apr 14 16:43:54 <X-Fade> WFt, register twice even.
Apr 14 16:44:04 <MohammadAG> that was weird...
Apr 14 16:44:05 <GAN900> 10pt font, 500 words a slide. . . .
Apr 14 16:44:10 <GAN900> Blue on black
Apr 14 16:44:13 <javispedro> X-Fade: yeah. have your paypal account ready...
Apr 14 16:44:20 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, fixed the control file?
Apr 14 16:44:24 <ShadowJK> javispedro, if only they knew of some company that had experience with internet and cameras. Maybe they could ask cisco ;D
Apr 14 16:44:25 <javispedro> (it won't ask for it but you have to tell it you have one =) )
Apr 14 16:44:42 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: no I'm still fiddling. I'm kinda slow
Apr 14 16:45:27 <X-Fade> Damn, really that is a lot of work to see a stream ;)
Apr 14 16:45:37 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: lol
Apr 14 16:45:48 <DocScrutinizer> err ShadowJK  ^^^
Apr 14 16:46:00 <X-Fade> Lol, it is just ustream ;)
Apr 14 16:46:28 <Shapeshifter> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/clutter/libclutter-1.0-0_1.0.8-0maemo1_armel.deb  Size mismatch
Apr 14 16:46:36 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 14 16:46:36 <javispedro> uh
Apr 14 16:46:40 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: so they can watch you watching your blank screen ? ;-P
Apr 14 16:46:55 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, don't bother, pyside was autocleaned
Apr 14 16:46:57 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: No, they broadcast through ustream,.
Apr 14 16:47:07 <MohammadAG> Why does the autocleaner run so soon!
Apr 14 16:47:32 <X-Fade> Shapeshifter: That one is my bad. Experiment on my part.
Apr 14 16:48:00 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, push the old 0.2.3 version into non-free
Apr 14 16:48:14 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, did you check out what I PM'd you about?
Apr 14 16:48:57 <MohammadAG> oh nvm, thanks X-Fade
Apr 14 16:50:56 <X-Fade> Ok, this talk is just ...
Apr 14 16:51:28 <lcuk> at ibm question time, ask if the linux kid got himself a job at ibm :D
Apr 14 16:51:31 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: well I first need to find out which the last working versions were. And how do I push these into non-free? I think I'll just stick to my initial plan of waiting until they release pr1.2 instead of messing around now. Might even get around implementing some long awaited features instead of fiddling with this.
Apr 14 16:51:57 <javispedro> lcuk: haha, I remember that
Apr 14 16:52:08 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Please hang in there, we are working on a fix now. Filling non-free with crap is not the solution.
Apr 14 16:52:31 <javispedro> note that we are talking about pyside here
Apr 14 16:52:33 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, kk
Apr 14 16:53:16 <lcuk> wheres the streaming vid for collsumm
Apr 14 16:53:35 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: disaster with long term announcement?
Apr 14 16:53:49 <Shapeshifter> mh. where doe maemo keep the downloaded debs?
Apr 14 16:53:55 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: No, actually pretty sane solution.
Apr 14 16:54:24 <GAN900> Shapeshifter, apt or h-a-m
Apr 14 16:54:31 <Shapeshifter> GAN900: both
Apr 14 16:54:38 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, /var/cache/apt/archives for apt
Apr 14 16:54:44 <MohammadAG> HAM discards them
Apr 14 16:55:04 <Shapeshifter> huh.
Apr 14 16:55:05 <MohammadAG> (but while installing they're kept in /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-cache-archives
Apr 14 16:55:15 <MohammadAG> or something similar, lemme check
Apr 14 16:55:19 <Shapeshifter> who would do such a thing. discarding old packages....
Apr 14 16:55:23 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: yeah they're there
Apr 14 16:55:25 <Shapeshifter> how daft.
Apr 14 16:55:43 <MohammadAG> the folder in MyDocs is discarded at each installation
Apr 14 16:55:49 <MohammadAG> that's why I opted not to use HAM
Apr 14 16:58:05 <pupnik> anybody got an on-device sdk
Apr 14 16:58:29 * DocScrutinizer wonders how modest can dare to create BS .modest/ folder on *micro-SD* ?!
Apr 14 16:59:10 <jacekowski> 1.2 relased?
Apr 14 16:59:17 <DocScrutinizer> huh?
Apr 14 16:59:24 <petteri> don't think so
Apr 14 16:59:25 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: kill him!
Apr 14 16:59:26 <frosty`> wait, what? 1.2? WHERE?
Apr 14 16:59:30 <frosty`> grumble.
Apr 14 16:59:33 <cehteh> haha
Apr 14 16:59:35 <frosty`> MohammadAG: see.
Apr 14 16:59:35 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: beware of autokicker ;-P
Apr 14 17:00:29 <MohammadAG> frosty`, ?
Apr 14 17:00:31 <cehteh> how to ddos the nokia servers? .. just say 1.2 released in this channel and 558 Drones start polling the server :P
Apr 14 17:00:47 <frosty`> MohammadAG: need the bot to reply to 1.2 stuff, otherwise I have to
Apr 14 17:00:55 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, what autokicker? :P
Apr 14 17:01:00 * MohammadAG waits for one
Apr 14 17:01:03 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: <556 !
Apr 14 17:01:10 <jacekowski> i've spent whole day trying to debug why chrome has letters in uppercase
Apr 14 17:01:13 <cehteh> :P
Apr 14 17:01:33 <jacekowski> but it looks like keykodes sent to it are correct
Apr 14 17:01:41 <autokicker> ok im here MohammadAG
Apr 14 17:01:48 <MohammadAG> PR1.2
Apr 14 17:01:54 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 14 17:01:56 * autokicker kicks MohammadAG in the shins
Apr 14 17:02:00 <jacekowski> PR1.2?
Apr 14 17:02:02 <petteri> i don't have that uppercase bug
Apr 14 17:02:04 <jacekowski> is it here?
Apr 14 17:02:06 <Shapeshifter> PR1.3?
Apr 14 17:02:11 <petteri> with chrome
Apr 14 17:02:16 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, no just waiting for the autokicker to kick into action
Apr 14 17:02:20 <jacekowski> petteri: in text fields and etc?
Apr 14 17:02:29 <MohammadAG> it kicked itself :P
Apr 14 17:02:32 <frosty`> lol
Apr 14 17:02:36 <jacekowski> petteri: have you fiddled with hildon-input-methods?
Apr 14 17:02:52 <petteri> jacekowski: let me check one more time
Apr 14 17:02:58 * ptl refreshes just in case
Apr 14 17:03:35 <jacekowski> petteri: go to google and type something in search box
Apr 14 17:04:37 <ptl> wow
Apr 14 17:04:45 <jacekowski> wow?
Apr 14 17:04:48 <ptl> if you google PR1.2, all links about maemo
Apr 14 17:04:48 <DocScrutinizer> /kick $USER
Apr 14 17:04:49 <jacekowski> 1.2 relased?
Apr 14 17:04:53 <ptl> no
Apr 14 17:04:54 <ptl> noooo
Apr 14 17:04:57 <ptl> PR1.2 not released
Apr 14 17:04:58 <DocScrutinizer> /kick $USER
Apr 14 17:05:06 <petteri> jacekowski: sorry. I do now have the bug. I have a vague feeling that i did not have it  couple of days ago since i managed to log in to gmail
Apr 14 17:05:30 <javispedro> MohammadAG: a question. why does the extras pyside package fail to install on a device?
Apr 14 17:05:44 <MohammadAG> javispedro, sec
Apr 14 17:06:26 <MohammadAG> javispedro,
Apr 14 17:06:33 <MohammadAG>  pyside-qt4-core: Depends: libpyside0 but it is not going to be installed
Apr 14 17:06:33 <MohammadAG>                    Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224) but 4.5.3~git2009
Apr 14 17:06:45 <MohammadAG> 0723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed
Apr 14 17:06:45 <Shapeshifter> uhm I heard something about rootsh not being the "right" method anymore for gaining root?
Apr 14 17:06:59 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, just use it :)
Apr 14 17:07:39 <MohammadAG> if it's for an app add a .sudoers file then update-sudoers
Apr 14 17:08:41 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: huh?
Apr 14 17:08:58 * javispedro ponders something
Apr 14 17:09:09 <javispedro> where did I get pyside 0.2.3-1maemo3 from?
Apr 14 17:09:26 <MohammadAG> javispedro, me?
Apr 14 17:09:31 <javispedro> impossible
Apr 14 17:09:39 <MohammadAG> it was in the repos
Apr 14 17:09:49 <javispedro> ah, you uploaded it to nonfree?
Apr 14 17:09:53 <MohammadAG> no
Apr 14 17:09:59 <MohammadAG> the old one was in the repos
Apr 14 17:10:03 <MohammadAG> but I had it cached
Apr 14 17:10:04 <MohammadAG> http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip
Apr 14 17:10:07 <javispedro> http://maemo.org/packages/view/pyside-qt4-core/
Apr 14 17:10:13 <javispedro> note current version, 0.3.0-1maemo3
Apr 14 17:10:14 <javispedro> errr
Apr 14 17:10:16 <javispedro> note current version, 0.3.0-1maemo2
Apr 14 17:10:26 <MohammadAG> Old version cleaned by repository management
Apr 14 17:10:55 <javispedro> ah.
Apr 14 17:10:56 <lizardo> guys , I said yesterday, but in case anyone listened: it is very possible to install libqt4* packages from the PR1.2 SDK repositories by adding the repository to the N900 sources.list (and upgrading *only* libqt4* packages... very hachish, but worked for me :)
Apr 14 17:10:57 <DocScrutinizer> /kick $USER
Apr 14 17:11:12 <MohammadAG> javispedro, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pyside-qt4-core/0.2.3-1maemo3/
Apr 14 17:11:12 <lizardo> at least for PySide
Apr 14 17:11:16 <javispedro> MohammadAG: touché, going to have a headache.
Apr 14 17:11:27 <MohammadAG> it's in there
Apr 14 17:11:32 <MohammadAG> it wasn't cleaned :D
Apr 14 17:11:57 <frosty`> lol DocScrutinizer
Apr 14 17:11:57 <MohammadAG> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pyside-qt4-core/0.2.3-1maemo3/ armel
Apr 14 17:12:19 * MohammadAG pings javispedro 
Apr 14 17:12:33 <javispedro> yes yes, I was just having a mental confusion here
Apr 14 17:14:04 <GAN900> Loooooong IBM talk
Apr 14 17:14:17 * DocScrutinizer disables autokicker, before crashanddie decides to kick DocScrutinizer
Apr 14 17:14:24 <MohammadAG> PR1.2
Apr 14 17:14:25 <DocScrutinizer> /kick $USER
Apr 14 17:14:29 <MohammadAG> damn
Apr 14 17:14:29 <javispedro> GAN900: I hope you brought enough N900s.
Apr 14 17:14:40 * X-Fade thinks of that large hook you always see in cartoons with stage performances ;)
Apr 14 17:14:43 <GAN900> javispedro, just the one.
Apr 14 17:14:49 <GAN900> X-Fade, lol
Apr 14 17:15:05 <javispedro> GAN900: battery won't last through the morning. you'll have to steal texrat's not to die of boredom
Apr 14 17:15:34 <GAN900> javispedro, stole the battery from my 5800!
Apr 14 17:15:44 <GAN900> Twice the power, twice the fun.
Apr 14 17:15:52 <javispedro> survival!
Apr 14 17:16:45 <MohammadAG>  /me is so tired he could fix a bug
Apr 14 17:16:48 <MohammadAG> fail
Apr 14 17:16:55 <GAN900> Texrat's a stylus screen poker. :/
Apr 14 17:17:05 <n900-dk> I really cant believe that anyone didn't make an automatically profile switcher app already...
Apr 14 17:17:24 <MohammadAG> n900-dk, silencer
Apr 14 17:17:57 <MohammadAG> http://maemo.org/packages/view/silencer/
Apr 14 17:18:28 <n900-dk> MohammadAG: But it can only switch between 'silent' and 'general'
Apr 14 17:18:38 <MohammadAG> aren't those the only profiles?
Apr 14 17:18:41 <Shapeshifter> n900-dk: Alarmed can do that. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=610524#post610524
Apr 14 17:18:51 <Shapeshifter> n900-dk: and it supports tweakr profiles
Apr 14 17:19:06 <n900-dk> MohammadAG: Yeah, but I made my only with tweakr
Apr 14 17:19:20 <javispedro> buah, they cut the video.
Apr 14 17:19:31 <X-Fade> coffee break.
Apr 14 17:19:36 <javispedro> I pad $0 for this!! they could put some james bond movie for the break.
Apr 14 17:20:00 <X-Fade> Too bad, I wanted to ask GAN900 to step up front and do a little dance ;)
Apr 14 17:20:00 * MohammadAG wonders why there are 2 users watching him on bugs.maemo.org
Apr 14 17:20:15 * nid0 likes to stalk bugtracker users!
Apr 14 17:20:34 <javispedro> they're called "keepers": whenever you reach certain level of bugs karma they attach one to you
Apr 14 17:20:47 <n900-dk> Shapeshifter: Thx, maybe alarmed could also watch calendar for meetings, and automatically change profile on these events too
Apr 14 17:21:54 <lcuk> X-Fade, still get him dancing
Apr 14 17:21:58 <lcuk> you have n900s - use em
Apr 14 17:22:13 * MohammadAG likes the liqflow app
Apr 14 17:28:46 <jacekowski> X-Fade: i found one issue with autobuilder - it's impossible to submit same version for different architecture
Apr 14 17:29:02 <X-Fade> jacekowski: That is intended behaviour.
Apr 14 17:29:45 <lcuk> jacekowski, thats ocmmon sense
Apr 14 17:29:48 <lcuk> common
Apr 14 17:29:52 <jacekowski> well
Apr 14 17:30:07 <jacekowski> if i send package with architecture any it will build them for both archs
Apr 14 17:30:21 <jacekowski> and i'll have armel and i386 with same version
Apr 14 17:30:40 <jacekowski> but if i send armel and while later i386 it will have to be sent with different version
Apr 14 17:31:43 <paulk_> Hello ! I've got a question : Is it possible to buy a Nokia N900 on a store in france ?
Apr 14 17:32:01 <jacekowski> i think so
Apr 14 17:32:58 <paulk_> Is someone french here ?
Apr 14 17:33:17 <jacekowski> i've been in france 3 weeks ago for a week
Apr 14 17:33:22 <jacekowski> so i'm almost like a french
Apr 14 17:33:23 <toresbe> paulk_: You would have to ask for a Nokia Nneufcents
Apr 14 17:33:42 <toresbe> apart from that I think you're set
Apr 14 17:33:56 <MohammadAG> I take french at school, can't say I'm very good at it though
Apr 14 17:34:12 <jacekowski> i can say 'merde'
Apr 14 17:34:27 <paulk_> It's not the problem : I'd just like to know if someone has already buy a N900 in france
Apr 14 17:34:33 <paulk_> jacekowski: great!
Apr 14 17:34:36 <jacekowski> a lot of people
Apr 14 17:34:54 <jacekowski> (i've seen lot of people from france downloading chrome from my server)
Apr 14 17:34:59 <paulk_> Des français ici ?
Apr 14 17:35:09 <jacekowski> english
Apr 14 17:35:45 <jacekowski> and wow
Apr 14 17:35:49 <jacekowski> he has working unicode
Apr 14 17:36:18 <paulk_> Ok, so if a french guy could help me, tell me so
Apr 14 17:37:26 <Shapeshifter> paulk_: http://www.expansys.fr/s.aspx?search=n900&x=0&y=0
Apr 14 17:37:40 <Treibholz> hmm, I have a mouse-cursor again!
Apr 14 17:37:48 <Treibholz> how do I get rid of it?
Apr 14 17:39:07 <paulk_> Shapeshifter: ok, is it the only way to buy it ? (500€, it's too much). I'd like to buy it with a subscription
Apr 14 17:39:56 <n900-dk> Shapeshifter: Looks like something is wrong with the file pyside.zip
Apr 14 17:39:56 <Shapeshifter> paulk_: don't know about subscriptions but why don't you just check out the mobile provider pages
Apr 14 17:40:01 <n900-dk> error [pyside.zip]:  missing 364896 bytes in zipfile
Apr 14 17:40:03 <dsster> Damn it, i ordered my n900 on friday and he just shipped it on wednesday at 9pm! Don't they understand how important this is?
Apr 14 17:40:04 <Shapeshifter> n900-dk: I know, I already replaced the link
Apr 14 17:40:13 <Shapeshifter> n900-dk: try the new link (same post)
Apr 14 17:40:40 <paulk_> Shapeshifter: I didn't found anything on the mobile provider pages. And I visited all the stores is my city. No N900.
Apr 14 17:40:47 <n900-dk> ahh damn, the post was updated in the meantime, thx :)
Apr 14 17:40:50 <paulk_> in my city*
Apr 14 17:41:30 <Treibholz> jacekowski: what's the URL of your chrome-package?
Apr 14 17:42:18 <jacekowski> it's gone
Apr 14 17:42:25 <Treibholz> oh...
Apr 14 17:42:26 <jacekowski> i moved in into extras-devel repo
Apr 14 17:42:31 <jacekowski> it*
Apr 14 17:43:15 <Treibholz> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free ?
Apr 14 17:43:27 <Treibholz> can't find it with apt-cache search...
Apr 14 17:43:47 <X-Fade> Oh, sound on the stream :)
Apr 14 17:44:23 <Treibholz> ahh, chromium, not chrome
Apr 14 17:47:41 <dsster> Can you turn a n900 into a temporary music bridge?
Apr 14 17:47:59 <Treibholz> yes, with an internet-radio and the fm-transmitter!
Apr 14 17:48:24 <GAN900> X-Fade, the LF police will get me.
Apr 14 17:48:26 <dsster> no i mean like play a move on a pc and broadcast sound to amplifier trhough the n900 realtime
Apr 14 17:48:59 <javispedro> streaming server overloading!!
Apr 14 17:49:21 <X-Fade> Nah, crappy hotel internet ;)
Apr 14 17:49:27 <jacekowski> dsster: PA can do that trick
Apr 14 17:49:32 <dsster> i would need a sound driver on desktop compatible with software on the n900 to act as a music bride
Apr 14 17:49:42 <dsster> PA?
Apr 14 17:49:49 <jacekowski> pulseaudio
Apr 14 17:49:58 <dsster> Oh ok
Apr 14 17:50:00 * GAN900 was downloading the Fennec update.
Apr 14 17:50:10 <n900-dk> Shapeshifter:  pyside-qt4-base depends on libboost-python1.38.0 (>= 1.38.0-1)
Apr 14 17:50:38 <dsster> I guess I will have to play around with it when i get it
Apr 14 17:51:57 * GAN900 had a nice chat with Quim, Roland, Henri, Randall and Dimmitri (Transifex)
Apr 14 17:52:51 <javispedro> paulk_: weren't you asking for somebody from France?
Apr 14 17:52:53 <Khertan> Heya !
Apr 14 17:53:03 <paulk_> javispedro: exactly :)
Apr 14 17:53:12 <lcuk> X-Fade, so where are you on hotel network!
Apr 14 17:53:14 <Shapeshifter> n900-dk: oh dear
Apr 14 17:53:23 <javispedro> paulk_, Khertan: :)
Apr 14 17:53:31 <n900-dk> Shapeshifter: well, apt-get -f install solved it :)
Apr 14 17:53:33 <Khertan> somebody from france <- i m french
Apr 14 17:53:40 <Shapeshifter> n900-dk: ah brilliant
Apr 14 17:53:40 <X-Fade> lcuk: not me, but the stream probably gets out from there.
Apr 14 17:53:44 <paulk_> Khertan: okay, on peux PM ?
Apr 14 17:53:48 <Khertan> but didn t follow the subject just arrived :)
Apr 14 17:53:54 <Khertan> yep pas de soucis
Apr 14 17:54:15 <Khertan> par contre je suis dans le rer ca risque de deco :)
Apr 14 17:54:52 <Shapeshifter> il'y'a des legumes sur le photo.
Apr 14 17:55:30 <lcuk> it looks like the cloud is not working too well
Apr 14 17:55:33 <lcuk> more like a rusty tap
Apr 14 17:55:39 * GAN900 had a nice chat with Quim, Roland, Henri, Randall and Dimmitri (Transifex)
Apr 14 17:55:51 <lcuk> deja vu?
Apr 14 17:56:00 <GAN900> erm
Apr 14 17:56:04 <javispedro> GAN900 is restarting...
Apr 14 17:56:16 <lcuk> GAN001
Apr 14 17:56:18 <GAN900> Holy Shit, Fennec actually has non-broken zoomed kerning
Apr 14 17:56:36 <GAN900> What what my non-send-history contribution was.
Apr 14 17:56:46 <GAN900> (up key is too close to enter)
Apr 14 17:57:07 <lcuk> gah downloading images while trying to stream fails
Apr 14 17:58:29 <n900-dk> Shapeshifter: Would it be possible to make an 'switch profile'-event triggered by a string in topic of a calendar event?
Apr 14 17:58:39 <Khertan> ~ping
Apr 14 17:58:40 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 14 18:00:07 <Shapeshifter> n900-dk: maybe, I don't really have the time for looking into it. If I find a minute I'll implement a couple of the "future features" listed on in the first post. what you're suggesting sounds clever but is rather demanding because it would base on more then just the alarmd daemon.
Apr 14 18:01:13 <n900-dk> Shapeshifter: It would be really nice for meetings and stuff like that
Apr 14 18:02:19 <Shapeshifter> yeah I can imagine that
Apr 14 18:03:00 <n900-dk> It's a great app, thanks for making it and telling :)
Apr 14 18:04:18 <Shapeshifter> n900-dk: thanks
Apr 14 18:12:08 <DocScrutinizer> anyway it's a calendar addon, not exactly an alarmed genuine task
Apr 14 18:13:20 <Shapeshifter> true, it doesn't have anything to do with alarmd.
Apr 14 18:13:29 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, is the autobuilder down?
Apr 14 18:13:48 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: no
Apr 14 18:14:50 * MohammadAG wonders why there are no errors and it failed
Apr 14 18:14:57 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: and we don't really want to go down the road of iPhone, to implement everything function-wise into everything app-wise, no? ;-P
Apr 14 18:15:01 <Treibholz> yeah! I found out where my Mousecursor came from and how to get rid of it! :-)
Apr 14 18:15:24 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: that's true. again a shame that the stupid nokia apps aren't open source
Apr 14 18:15:33 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 14 18:15:34 <Shapeshifter> by now they would all be awesome
Apr 14 18:15:53 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Check your debian/control file. Is that all ok?
Apr 14 18:16:06 <MohammadAG> Didn't change anything
Apr 14 18:16:09 <Shapeshifter> seriously, with some community help forked versions of the calendar, image viewer, file browser, and most importantly modest would be spectacular by now.
Apr 14 18:16:09 <MohammadAG> I'll check though
Apr 14 18:16:14 <DocScrutinizer> alas Nokia decided to 'differentiate' - to the inferior side ;-P
Apr 14 18:16:29 <Treibholz> I checked out my .MyConfigs from svn, ran 'make symlinks' and had ~.icons, with my normal mousecursor.
Apr 14 18:16:46 * MohammadAG thinks he found the problem
Apr 14 18:16:54 <MohammadAG> Khertan, ping
Apr 14 18:16:54 <n900-dk> DocScrutinizer: It is fine by me, if it could be in another app, I'm just missing the task, that I was used to on S60 by the 'Handy Profiles' app
Apr 14 18:18:06 <DocScrutinizer> n900-dk: well understood, mate :-)
Apr 14 18:18:11 <n900-dk> Now I'm just disturbing the meetings :)
Apr 14 18:18:51 * DocScrutinizer bbl - away for dinner
Apr 14 18:21:14 <javispedro> Jaffa: there?
Apr 14 18:22:04 <Khertan2> back
Apr 14 18:22:09 <Khertan2> connection drop
Apr 14 18:22:52 <lcuk> "cut out your backend"
Apr 14 18:23:07 <lcuk> i suppose that may release a cloud
Apr 14 18:23:22 <Khertan2> MohammaAG: you ping me ?
Apr 14 18:23:26 <Khertan2> lcuk: lol
Apr 14 18:23:51 <Khertan2> i should also ask to the train to not thru tunnels
Apr 14 18:23:51 <Khertan2> :)
Apr 14 18:24:26 <Khertan2> ~ping
Apr 14 18:24:27 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 14 18:24:32 <MohammadAG> Khertan2, yeah, thought of something for pypackager
Apr 14 18:24:38 <MohammadAG> I added to n
Apr 14 18:24:40 <MohammadAG> :/
Apr 14 18:24:41 <Khertan2> yep ?
Apr 14 18:24:47 <MohammadAG> sec
Apr 14 18:25:12 <MohammadAG> added two \n-s
Apr 14 18:25:16 <MohammadAG> \n\n
Apr 14 18:25:24 <Khertan2> (hurry there is an other tunnels in 3 min :) or email me at khertan@khertan.net)
Apr 14 18:25:27 <MohammadAG> So it resulted in an empty line in the description
Apr 14 18:25:37 <MohammadAG> which made the build fail
Apr 14 18:25:39 <Khertan2> hum strange
Apr 14 18:25:55 <Khertan2> i should look into the code
Apr 14 18:25:58 <MohammadAG> so I was thinking maybe you could make it echo a . into there where there's an empty line
Apr 14 18:26:03 <MohammadAG> two \n s
Apr 14 18:26:14 <MohammadAG> \n\n
Apr 14 18:26:18 <MohammadAG> fixed by using \n.\n
Apr 14 18:26:30 <Khertan2> :)
Apr 14 18:26:38 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, one more question, it doesn't seem to send emails now
Apr 14 18:26:49 <MohammadAG> Package-name OK/FAILED
Apr 14 18:27:18 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: To you or the list?
Apr 14 18:27:24 <Khertan2> To all PyGTKEditor users if you want to use the last version it s available on my own repository only
Apr 14 18:27:25 <MohammadAG> to my email address
Apr 14 18:27:32 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: I see it on the list at least.
Apr 14 18:27:36 <Khertan2> now more on extras
Apr 14 18:27:37 <MohammadAG> yes it's on the list
Apr 14 18:28:01 <Khertan2> the link in maemo.org/download
Apr 14 18:28:07 <Khertan2> point to my repository
Apr 14 18:28:31 <konttori> Khertan2: good idea (to host it yourself)
Apr 14 18:28:45 * javispedro wonders what he's doing watching some people talk about SaaS
Apr 14 18:28:50 <Khertan2> but upgrade will not work with ham as ham ignore package from other repository if there are in ham
Apr 14 18:28:52 <FlavioFerreiraBR> someone have been problems with Xb-Maemo-Icon-26 at Debian package creation ?
Apr 14 18:29:01 <FlavioFerreiraBR> in control file
Apr 14 18:29:04 <konttori> I like it much more than people delivering content to actual end users through extras-devel (which is the only other sane option)
Apr 14 18:30:46 <Khertan2> konttori : i m not sure
Apr 14 18:31:36 <MohammadAG> FlavioFerreiraBR, nope
Apr 14 18:31:38 <GAN900> javispedro, I dunno, I'm sitting here watching Texrat tap out twits with his stylus. :P
Apr 14 18:31:41 <Khertan2> hum but currently there is so few dowload and connection to my repository that i m not sure
Apr 14 18:31:43 <MohammadAG> add a space before each line
Apr 14 18:31:45 <Khertan2> really
Apr 14 18:31:58 <frals> GAN900: hehe, bet he enjoyed the deb-vs-rpm on twitter
Apr 14 18:32:02 <frals> ;D
Apr 14 18:32:07 <RST38h> mooo khertan
Apr 14 18:32:13 <X-Fade> frals: trol :)
Apr 14 18:32:22 <Khertan2> hi RST38h
Apr 14 18:32:24 <frals> X-Fade: wasnt me! honest! :D
Apr 14 18:32:31 <X-Fade> frals: suuuuure :)
Apr 14 18:32:38 <GAN900> Sockpuppets
Apr 14 18:32:52 <javispedro> 231 Watt, 134 bpm, 90 rpm.
Apr 14 18:33:02 <X-Fade> dh7 is the answer!
Apr 14 18:33:08 <lcuk> Khertan2, did you actually work out what happens if someone adopts pygtkeditor and puts it in extras(-devel|testing) ?
Apr 14 18:33:22 <javispedro> bang! first kill
Apr 14 18:33:33 <FlavioFerreiraBR> MohammadAG, i did it
Apr 14 18:33:42 <MohammadAG> lcuk, the maintainer gets changed
Apr 14 18:34:03 <mece> javispedro, what are you killing?
Apr 14 18:34:07 <FlavioFerreiraBR> MohammadAG, but the result was :
Apr 14 18:34:11 <FlavioFerreiraBR> MohammadAG, dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Maemo-Icon-26' in input data in package's section of control info file
Apr 14 18:34:11 <javispedro> flies
Apr 14 18:34:15 <mece> :D
Apr 14 18:34:27 <Khertan2> lcuk : nope
Apr 14 18:34:27 <MohammadAG> FlavioFerreiraBR, ignore it
Apr 14 18:34:28 <lcuk> yeah MohammadAG but what happens to maemo downloads page
Apr 14 18:34:31 <X-Fade> FlavioFerreiraBR: Warning, not error.
Apr 14 18:34:31 <mece> FlavioFerreiraBR, that's ok. Still works
Apr 14 18:34:38 <MohammadAG> lcuk, yes the maintainer gets changed
Apr 14 18:34:39 <mece> LOL
Apr 14 18:34:40 <Khertan2> lcuk : and package are still not remove from extras
Apr 14 18:34:56 <X-Fade> Khertan2: We have people wanting to take over maintainership.
Apr 14 18:35:02 <lcuk> people are still using it!
Apr 14 18:35:07 <MohammadAG> lcuk, http://maemo.org/packages/view/xarchiver
Apr 14 18:35:09 <X-Fade> Khertan2: So that is why I'm waiting.
Apr 14 18:35:26 <MohammadAG> I didn't mean for it to be replaced with my name
Apr 14 18:35:45 <MohammadAG> proof is that I requested to be a maintainer
Apr 14 18:35:45 <Khertan2> X-Fade : ? huh ? who ?
Apr 14 18:35:46 <javispedro> GAN900: did Texrat just write "interesting talk"?
Apr 14 18:35:46 <MohammadAG> Pending maintainer requests:
Apr 14 18:35:47 <MohammadAG> Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh
Apr 14 18:35:52 <MohammadAG> no response though
Apr 14 18:36:00 <FlavioFerreiraBR> mece, X-Fade , MohammadAG : yes. Still works , but the icon dont shows at app manages uninstalation
Apr 14 18:36:05 <[DarkGUNMAN]> evening all!
Apr 14 18:36:05 <GAN900> javispedro, where?
Apr 14 18:36:09 <javispedro> tweeeeter
Apr 14 18:36:10 <GAN900> javispedro, twitter?
Apr 14 18:36:17 <GAN900> Dunno
Apr 14 18:36:22 <MohammadAG> FlavioFerreiraBR, did you install the new version? (it happens :P)
Apr 14 18:36:34 <javispedro> it was a rhetorical question :) he did
Apr 14 18:36:40 <[DarkGUNMAN]> anyone here know how to compile on their N900?
Apr 14 18:36:54 <GAN900> javispedro, ah. :P
Apr 14 18:36:54 <MohammadAG> [DarkGUNMAN], ssh + scratchbox on a PC
Apr 14 18:37:09 <FlavioFerreiraBR> MohammadAG, yes.
Apr 14 18:37:15 <lcuk> does open cloud == open data == no
Apr 14 18:37:28 <javispedro> QUESTION:
Apr 14 18:37:34 <lcuk> lol
Apr 14 18:37:45 <javispedro> #info
Apr 14 18:37:51 <lcuk> maybe we should be on meego-questions
Apr 14 18:37:53 <lcuk> #undo
Apr 14 18:37:54 <lcuk> #undo
Apr 14 18:37:55 <lcuk> #undo
Apr 14 18:38:54 <DrGrov> Why does it seem like the default repositories are not having anything new in them?
Apr 14 18:39:02 <DrGrov> Perhaps I have to change something?
Apr 14 18:39:38 <mece> this channel seems unusually bizarre today. Is everyone drunk?
Apr 14 18:40:00 <DrGrov> i'm sober
Apr 14 18:40:04 <GAN900> Not yet!
Apr 14 18:40:04 <lcuk> mece? wont turn down free beer tho
Apr 14 18:40:05 <frals> i think we are still recovering from the math mayhem earlier
Apr 14 18:40:10 <GAN900> Open bar tonight, though!
Apr 14 18:40:18 <javispedro> that's #info indeed!
Apr 14 18:40:19 <X-Fade> GAN900: Send some our way! :)
Apr 14 18:40:25 <frals> i should be drunk, i got results from my last exam today which i passed \o/
Apr 14 18:40:36 * mece cheers frals on
Apr 14 18:40:45 <X-Fade> After days of build insanity, I should be drunk too ;)
Apr 14 18:40:51 <lcuk> open bar sells wine personally made from scratch by rms
Apr 14 18:40:52 <frals> X-Fade: :D
Apr 14 18:40:52 <javispedro> heehee
Apr 14 18:41:03 <lcuk> he took his sandles off and squashed the grapes himself
Apr 14 18:41:04 <RST38h> lcuk: is it safe?
Apr 14 18:41:11 <GAN900> javispedro, Texrat wants me to hit you with a trout.
Apr 14 18:41:47 <GAN900> lcuk, ohgod
Apr 14 18:42:00 <javispedro> must be that I'm sleepy today
Apr 14 18:42:05 * GAN900 will get the beer, then.
Apr 14 18:42:23 * X-Fade refreshes -developers
Apr 14 18:42:29 * X-Fade refreshes -developers again
Apr 14 18:42:34 <X-Fade> Lazy javispedro ;)
Apr 14 18:42:59 <frals> this is pretty interesting, when i introduce an error in my program, the osso_abook_contact_chooser gets the list of contacts everytime...
Apr 14 18:43:18 <RST38h> developers developers developers
Apr 14 18:43:23 <frals> even thou the code i add isnt even executed until the app terminates
Apr 14 18:43:23 * RST38h throws a stool
Apr 14 18:45:14 <Shapeshifter> that's significantly better then throwing stool
Apr 14 18:47:07 * javispedro wishes for a .deb suicide questioner 
Apr 14 18:47:53 <GAN900> javispedro, wait for Ari's talk. :P
Apr 14 18:50:48 <javispedro> Hour and half?
Apr 14 18:51:08 <javispedro> ah, I see.
Apr 14 18:51:09 <X-Fade> Long lunch break :)
Apr 14 18:51:11 <lcuk> takes longer to eat whilst collaborating
Apr 14 18:51:26 <lcuk> which is reasonable :)
Apr 14 18:51:31 <javispedro> bah, you should be used to 5 minute lunch breaks already
Apr 14 18:51:39 <javispedro> all while sketching the future
Apr 14 18:51:49 <lcuk> lucky if i get 5mins
Apr 14 18:51:56 <javispedro> that's the spirit :)
Apr 14 18:54:26 <konttori> any good idea how to create efficient gtk iconview for bigger lists
Apr 14 18:54:45 <mamalmqv> ping!
Apr 14 18:55:13 <mamalmqv> I'm trying to build Qt for maemo, but I'm getting this error: /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/ld: cannot find -lbootstrap
Apr 14 18:55:42 <mamalmqv> it worked the other day, but not since I pulled the latest source
Apr 14 18:55:45 <lcuk> konttori, how big - sort of numbers
Apr 14 18:55:54 <lcuk> 10s 100s 1000s ?
Apr 14 18:56:12 <konttori> 1000s only, but iconview sucks even on that small lists
Apr 14 18:56:28 <mamalmqv> can anyone say if it's likely to be due to my environment/config, or the new source code?
Apr 14 18:56:29 <konttori> because by default, it requires pixbufs for all icons.
Apr 14 18:56:51 <Khertan> Lol i can't enter in my house as my wife close the door from inside with key on the lock and go out by the garage door but i can use my wifi :)
Apr 14 18:56:59 <konttori> (in advance)  - you cannot provide it with a renderer function like the listviews allow.
Apr 14 18:57:21 <lcuk> konttori, custom renderer
Apr 14 18:57:29 <lcuk> for whole list then
Apr 14 18:57:38 <lcuk> but then you have to deal with caching anyway
Apr 14 18:57:39 <konttori> so, no iconview at all?
Apr 14 18:57:49 <lcuk> well you just said you tried it
Apr 14 18:57:52 <konttori> I have caching sorted out already for the list solution
Apr 14 18:57:53 <GAN900> Texrat, yo!
Apr 14 18:58:00 <frals> o/ Texrat
Apr 14 18:58:02 <Khertan> Qt question : does there is component to access to the maemo 5 calendar content ?
Apr 14 18:58:29 * Texrat slaps everyone with large catfish
Apr 14 18:58:31 <Treibholz> Khertan: sqlite
Apr 14 18:58:34 <Khertan> an QtEvolution ?
Apr 14 18:58:50 <javispedro> X-Fade: our cloaaaaaaaaaaaks ;P
Apr 14 18:58:55 <Treibholz> Khertan: the Calender has nothing to do with evolution
Apr 14 18:59:00 <Khertan> Treibbholz : oh task and event are stored in a simple sqlite ?
Apr 14 18:59:07 <Treibholz> Khertan: yes.
Apr 14 18:59:13 <X-Fade> Ah yes, let me do that now.
Apr 14 18:59:16 <Khertan> Treibbholz oh i think ... good news
Apr 14 18:59:20 <konttori> Khertan: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb
Apr 14 18:59:22 <Treibholz> Khertan: .calendar/calendardb
Apr 14 18:59:41 <lcuk> konttori, your other window
Apr 14 18:59:42 * Treibholz is currently playing around with it for CalDAV-sync
Apr 14 18:59:43 <konttori> it's the only sane way to do it. Just open it with the qt sqlite lib.
Apr 14 18:59:45 <Khertan> thx a lot !
Apr 14 19:00:09 <Khertan> (i ll do my on task ui as i found the nokia one useless for my use)
Apr 14 19:00:33 <Khertan> s/on/own
Apr 14 19:01:00 <Khertan> and it ll be an excuse to lean qt with python
Apr 14 19:01:14 <konttori> Sounds like a good excuse.
Apr 14 19:01:18 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 19:01:47 <konttori> I'm having an excuse to write a media consumer player atm on gtk to deepen understanding of gtk before I move along to qt world.
Apr 14 19:01:59 <javispedro> heh
Apr 14 19:02:00 <Khertan> my ui is already working in gtk ... but :) hey !
Apr 14 19:02:02 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 19:02:07 <konttori> as I pointed out earlier, atm, I am hating iconview.
Apr 14 19:02:30 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 19:03:26 <Khertan> other question there is no way to show file extension too in qt file dialog ?
Apr 14 19:05:03 <unikscm> hello~
Apr 14 19:05:16 <unikscm> plz melp me..
Apr 14 19:05:28 <unikscm> i have a problem..
Apr 14 19:05:58 <unikscm> i use maemo5 SDK
Apr 14 19:06:07 <unikscm> maemo@maemo-desktop:~$ /scratchbox/login after
Apr 14 19:06:46 <unikscm> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install python2.5 libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-dev libidl-dev  <===== this command
Apr 14 19:07:22 <unikscm> qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting <========== i met this error..
Apr 14 19:07:33 <unikscm> what's problem~??
Apr 14 19:10:54 * noobmonk3y yawns
Apr 14 19:14:48 <MohammadAG> matchers.cc:4293: warning: 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher' has a field 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher::<anonymous>' whose type uses the anonymous namespace
Apr 14 19:14:54 <MohammadAG> any ideas?
Apr 14 19:15:28 <Shapeshifter> btw, does anyone else have brighter spots on the screen? very noticable when looking at a white screen (e.g. loading page)
Apr 14 19:15:58 <Shapeshifter> I have four scattered accross the right side of the screen
Apr 14 19:16:00 <X-Fade> councilmen, you should get your cloaks now.
Apr 14 19:20:09 <PhonicUK> hey all
Apr 14 19:20:21 <noobmonk3y> hey hey
Apr 14 19:20:37 <Aranel_> heard that it is now possible to use animated/live wallpapers on Maemo 5 desktop? Anybody know how?
Apr 14 19:20:54 <trumee> guys, is it possible to disable vibration for IM but have them enabled for phone calls?
Apr 14 19:20:58 <X-Fade> Aranel_: With PR1.2 you are able to do that, yes.
Apr 14 19:21:21 <noobmonk3y> X-Fade, he is now gonna ask you where to get PR1.2 ;)
Apr 14 19:21:26 * noobmonk3y grins
Apr 14 19:21:41 <X-Fade> Aranel_: Check the live-wallpaper package in extras-devel as an example.
Apr 14 19:21:53 <Aranel_> nope, you re wrong noobmonk3y :) I know its not out yet.
Apr 14 19:21:53 <X-Fade> noobmonk3y: Should work in SDK too :)
Apr 14 19:21:58 <noobmonk3y> hehehe
Apr 14 19:22:05 * noobmonk3y doesnt use the SDK :(
Apr 14 19:22:25 <X-Fade> vlad is doing something cool with it at least.
Apr 14 19:22:33 <noobmonk3y> yeah it does look good :D
Apr 14 19:22:50 <X-Fade> Right now it became night on my desktop ;)
Apr 14 19:22:52 * lcuk looks at noobmonk3y sideways
Apr 14 19:23:01 <Aranel_> X-Fade: hmm. I saw this: http://www.maxicep.com/nokia-maemo-uygulama/n900-canli-hareketli-duvar-kagidi-336854.html
Apr 14 19:23:04 <X-Fade> And the tram crosses the screen underneath my icons ;)
Apr 14 19:23:10 <Aranel_> X-Fade: do you know if its commercial or  free?
Apr 14 19:23:16 * MohammadAG looks at the broken live-wallpaper package on his PR1.1.1 device
Apr 14 19:23:17 * noobmonk3y tilts his head straight
Apr 14 19:23:31 <lcuk> MohammadAG, tell me whats actually broken with it
Apr 14 19:23:37 <X-Fade> Aranel_: That is live-wallpaper, which is free.
Apr 14 19:23:59 <Aranel_> Thanks ^^
Apr 14 19:23:59 <MohammadAG> lcuk, when the background blurs (status menu and the like) the actual background is shown (in my case, water1)
Apr 14 19:24:19 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: It has some issues with the background on PR1.2 too.
Apr 14 19:24:33 <X-Fade> Some redraw/damage issues it seems.
Apr 14 19:24:46 * MohammadAG fires up the SDK GUI to check
Apr 14 19:25:40 <X-Fade> Especially under the calendar widget it seems.
Apr 14 19:25:56 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, same with the facebook widget here
Apr 14 19:26:07 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, is it only shown on one desktop?
Apr 14 19:26:35 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Yes, although the moving cloud goes a bit to the left and right desktop too.
Apr 14 19:26:48 <MohammadAG> but not all 4
Apr 14 19:26:48 <X-Fade> So it should be possible to write on more desktops.
Apr 14 19:27:02 <MohammadAG> ok so these aren't PR1.1.1. issues
Apr 14 19:27:05 <MohammadAG> PR1.1.1*
Apr 14 19:27:19 <X-Fade> No, probably just coded that way.
Apr 14 19:29:04 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: You should even be able to use video.
Apr 14 19:29:08 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, err, how di I enable it?
Apr 14 19:29:10 <MohammadAG> do*
Apr 14 19:29:19 <X-Fade> add widget
Apr 14 19:29:24 <MohammadAG> When I installed it on my device it got auto enabled
Apr 14 19:29:24 <MohammadAG> oh
Apr 14 19:29:31 <frals> that live-wallpaper looks pretty cool
Apr 14 19:29:55 <MohammadAG> oh it uses the time too
Apr 14 19:29:56 <MohammadAG> nice!
Apr 14 19:29:57 <X-Fade> frals: adapts to clock too.
Apr 14 19:30:05 <frals> yeah :)
Apr 14 19:30:23 * SpeedEvil plays with his not-quite-live wallpaper package.
Apr 14 19:30:26 <MohammadAG> there's a settings part for the widget, never noticed that
Apr 14 19:30:39 <SpeedEvil> command-line-widget + wget + gconf to set the background
Apr 14 19:30:43 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: New since 0.2, I think ;)
Apr 14 19:31:23 <X-Fade> I actually tested the PR1.2 dependency generation with that app on the test builder ;)
Apr 14 19:31:37 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, swipe the desktop slowly to the right (move to the left hand desktop)
Apr 14 19:31:46 <MohammadAG> you'll see the train without the background
Apr 14 19:31:55 <frals> would be pretty cool to get a postal worker on your homescreen walking about when you get a new mail
Apr 14 19:32:14 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Same for the cloud.
Apr 14 19:33:22 <MohammadAG> yeah
Apr 14 19:33:38 <MohammadAG> I thought it was only broken for PR1.1.1
Apr 14 19:34:08 <X-Fade> No, I guess that is just the way the widget is coded. Not really a limitation or bug in the desktop.
Apr 14 19:36:28 <Gh0sty> voila
Apr 14 19:36:39 <Gh0sty> my force recharge cable for my n900 is built :)
Apr 14 19:36:45 <Gh0sty> some soldering fun :P
Apr 14 19:37:38 <FredrIQ> hm
Apr 14 19:37:38 * RST38h wants sheep
Apr 14 19:37:43 * RST38h really wants sheep
Apr 14 19:37:44 <FredrIQ> is there no SDK for windows?
Apr 14 19:38:24 <MohammadAG> there's'a virtual machine image
Apr 14 19:38:29 <MohammadAG> but no, no native SDK
Apr 14 19:38:40 <FredrIQ> if not, i will download and install wubi as tmp solution until i feel like buy a microSD
Apr 14 19:38:43 <FredrIQ> hm
Apr 14 19:38:46 <FredrIQ> ok
Apr 14 19:39:08 <RST38h> Can we have desktop sheep please? =)
Apr 14 19:39:20 <lcuk> :) RST38h
Apr 14 19:39:46 <lcuk> theres lots of things which this opens up
Apr 14 19:40:08 <noobmonk3y> oooo
Apr 14 19:40:10 <noobmonk3y> desktop sheep!
Apr 14 19:40:16 <noobmonk3y> i want a desktop monkey butler!
Apr 14 19:40:23 <Shapeshifter> mhh. this live-wallpaper is cute
Apr 14 19:40:25 * RST38h is dead serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep
Apr 14 19:40:29 <Shapeshifter> wonder how much more battery it will eat
Apr 14 19:40:32 * noobmonk3y was serious too!
Apr 14 19:40:42 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, does it matter when sat at home
Apr 14 19:40:48 <noobmonk3y> Shapeshifter, monkey butlers don't eat batteries, they eat bannanas!! :D
Apr 14 19:40:51 <lcuk> i think sensible would be power option
Apr 14 19:41:03 <lcuk> [full,whencharging,restricted,slow]]
Apr 14 19:41:09 <X-Fade> Shapeshifter: Stops when not on top.
Apr 14 19:41:45 <X-Fade> And my guess is that you don't sit and watch your desktop for hours on end.
Apr 14 19:41:53 <frals> RST38h: ESheep is awesome
Apr 14 19:41:55 <lcuk> X-Fade, some do!
Apr 14 19:42:00 <lcuk> live feeds trickling in
Apr 14 19:42:00 <Shapeshifter> X-Fade: :)
Apr 14 19:42:04 <lcuk> next to your big pooter
Apr 14 19:42:18 <SpeedEvil> X-Fade: or a webcam of the real world
Apr 14 19:42:19 <lcuk> entirely practical tbh :)
Apr 14 19:42:40 <lcuk> now you are going to far SpeedEvil
Apr 14 19:42:44 <lcuk> thats cgi
Apr 14 19:44:03 <mece> I'm on an 80ies B-movie spree. Should I go Fantasy, Post-apoc or Ninja today?
Apr 14 19:44:30 <mece> err.. meant to tweet that.
Apr 14 19:45:48 <RST38h> javispedro: here?
Apr 14 19:46:42 <opdf2> are there any real high capacity batteries out yet for n900?
Apr 14 19:46:50 <nid0> mugen do one
Apr 14 19:47:00 <nid0> and it makes your device go from big to brick
Apr 14 19:47:01 <opdf2> oh besides the fatty
Apr 14 19:48:42 <X-Fade> opdf2: Just buy 2?
Apr 14 19:49:00 <flux> it's only a couple millimeters thicker than nokia 9500 ;)
Apr 14 19:49:15 <luke-jr> X-Fade: then charging the backup is inconvenient?
Apr 14 19:49:27 <luke-jr> and you can't swap it without a reboot
Apr 14 19:49:32 <nid0> just buy a powermonkey, so much easier solution
Apr 14 19:49:32 <X-Fade> luke-jr: Big deal?
Apr 14 19:49:35 <luke-jr> unless you have AC and don't need it in the first place
Apr 14 19:50:00 * RST38h notices how n900 makes people carry power supplies with them
Apr 14 19:50:11 <X-Fade> When I go away and don't have power for a while the batteries suffice. And then when I have AC, I just charge them?
Apr 14 19:50:21 <RST38h> Will the wall wart become a fashion accessory eventually? =)
Apr 14 19:50:50 <X-Fade> *cough* Or put them in another N900 to charge. *cough* ;)
Apr 14 19:51:11 <Scelt> X-Fade: ipad deal?
Apr 14 19:51:11 <Aranel_> X-Fade: cannot install Live Wallpaper. libhildon1 missing.
Apr 14 19:51:37 <X-Fade> Aranel_: Only possible on PR1.2 SDK or device.
Apr 14 19:52:06 <Aranel_> since PR1.2 is not out yet, its only possible on SDK?
Apr 14 19:52:14 <X-Fade> Aranel_: Yes.
Apr 14 19:53:09 <opdf2> X-Fade:  maybe i'll do that. i already carry the usb cable around everywhere
Apr 14 19:53:14 <Aranel_> ok :)
Apr 14 19:53:55 <X-Fade> But it looks and behaves the same in the SDK.
Apr 14 19:53:56 <opdf2> sooo any reputable shops with legit genuine BL-5J?
Apr 14 19:54:04 <opdf2> i dont want fake stuff
Apr 14 19:54:10 <Scelt> opdf2: dealextreme.com
Apr 14 19:54:17 * MohammadAG needs 10 BL-5Js
Apr 14 19:54:22 <X-Fade> Scelt: That is the fake stuff.
Apr 14 19:54:46 <Scelt> X-Fade: sure, if you say so
Apr 14 19:55:20 <X-Fade> Buy one and find out how bad they are ;)
Apr 14 19:56:00 <Scelt> just as bad as nokia batteries are
Apr 14 19:56:16 <X-Fade> No, far less capacity.
Apr 14 19:56:23 <Myrtti> X-Fade: was thinking of using my wiki admin rights again...
Apr 14 19:56:32 <X-Fade> Myrtti: Sounds scary.
Apr 14 19:56:53 <Scelt> X-Fade: what you are talking about now? they are genuine nokia batteries. I'm not meaning those 2 $ shit
Apr 14 19:56:53 <Myrtti> X-Fade: I did last weekend, revert and ban.
Apr 14 19:57:35 <X-Fade> Scelt: Those $2 ones are just scary.
Apr 14 19:57:52 <Scelt> X-Fade: I know. That's why I'm talking about genuine nokia batteries
Apr 14 20:00:02 <Scelt> opdf2: X-Fade: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ErPFQbezzhsJ:www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32444+dealextreme+bl-5j&cd=2&hl=fi&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera
Apr 14 20:00:21 <Khertan> RST38h i suse a samsung n130 as power supply it s a quite good power supply
Apr 14 20:00:35 <flashn> how do I bootstrap a nice core/bin-utils environment?
Apr 14 20:01:13 <opdf2> Scelt:  you've bought this from dx?
Apr 14 20:01:48 <Scelt> opdf2: not this particular battery but different genuine nokia batteries yes
Apr 14 20:02:20 <MohammadAG> Khertan, got some questions, do you have some time to help?
Apr 14 20:02:29 <opdf2> hmm i'll consider this cuz in know dx has one of the cheapest prices around. i do know the shipping takes forever but im okay with that
Apr 14 20:02:35 <RST38h> Somebody should really hurt the D-THEME guy
Apr 14 20:02:47 <Myrtti> meh, dneary isn't online
Apr 14 20:02:58 <Scelt> opdf2: the price is close enough to be worth of genuine battery. shipping to Finland takes around 10 work days
Apr 14 20:03:24 <opdf2> Scelt:  cool ty
Apr 14 20:03:36 <Khertan> 16$ is close ?
Apr 14 20:03:37 <Scelt> opdf2: np pal. happy shopping :)
Apr 14 20:03:44 <Scelt> Khertan: _enough_
Apr 14 20:03:49 <Khertan> ouch it s 45 Euro in france
Apr 14 20:04:00 <Khertan> more arround 55 $
Apr 14 20:04:12 <Scelt> 36 euros in Finland
Apr 14 20:04:13 <X-Fade> Charge $100 for it, then it will be even better ;)
Apr 14 20:05:07 * DocScrutinizer back from dinner, now Palin on news makes me barf it back up
Apr 14 20:05:15 <Khertan> 36 Euros + french tva + french other tax ... yep so same price than in finland just too highly priced due to tax
Apr 14 20:05:33 <Scelt> X-Fade: I doubt they are bothering to fake those. Too much trouble to copy all those hologram stickers etc.
Apr 14 20:06:10 <Khertan> Scelt: hum there is some really nice done nokia battery copy
Apr 14 20:06:14 <DocScrutinizer> Scelt: faking holos? Those been invented in China ;-P
Apr 14 20:06:24 <X-Fade> Scelt: No, had nicely faked hologram ones in my hands.
Apr 14 20:07:40 <nid0> Scelt: there are plenty of fake batteries that're hologrammed and printed exactly the same as genuine nokias
Apr 14 20:08:06 <Scelt> Blaah. etc there. The original package and all. If it's fake, then be. All those batteries sold in Nokia.com are from the China too, and done in same factories.
Apr 14 20:08:31 <Scelt> Welcome to world of globalism
Apr 14 20:08:32 <X-Fade> Scelt: I had one in nice looking original package, with holos.
Apr 14 20:08:54 <Scelt> as I said, done in same factories. Maybe in night shift
Apr 14 20:08:55 <X-Fade> 800mAh at best.
Apr 14 20:09:09 <GAN900> X-Fade, cool!
Apr 14 20:09:36 <X-Fade> Only Jaffa is a slacker.
Apr 14 20:09:36 <Scelt> X-Fade: if you were screwed by a turkish saler on a bazar, it doesn't mean we all will fall to the same trap
Apr 14 20:09:37 <DocScrutinizer> actually I give a shit about whether it's faked so far. My flat burned down on failure of original NiCad
Apr 14 20:09:49 <kevloral> Scelt: http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0027YK94O
Apr 14 20:09:57 <X-Fade> Because he hasn't set an email ;)
Apr 14 20:10:19 * Shapeshifter hasn't dared to try out his hongkong battery yet
Apr 14 20:10:23 <javispedro> meego! meego! meego! fivvvveeeee minutes.
Apr 14 20:10:32 <Shapeshifter> I should get a desktop charger and try it out.
Apr 14 20:10:33 <Scelt> kevloral: I can see the difference there
Apr 14 20:12:07 <kevloral> Scelt: because you see both the genuine and the fake one, side by side. But if you only saw the fake one, would you realize it is fake?
Apr 14 20:12:32 <DocScrutinizer> chnaces a cheap desktop charger blows a genuine Nokia cell are higher than N900 going boom due to a fake
Apr 14 20:13:00 * MohammadAG hates how the headset is switched to by a daemon
Apr 14 20:13:05 <MohammadAG> (which sometimes fails)
Apr 14 20:13:12 <Scelt> kevloral: hard to say :)
Apr 14 20:13:17 * noobmonk3y punches the daemon in the face
Apr 14 20:13:18 <Scelt> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dW5MsplEx4gJ:www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/BrowseReviews.dx/sku.22691+deal+extreme+nokia+batteries+fake&cd=2&hl=fi&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera
Apr 14 20:13:39 * MohammadAG thanks noobmonk3y 
Apr 14 20:13:44 <noobmonk3y> ;)
Apr 14 20:13:45 <noobmonk3y> np
Apr 14 20:13:45 <Scelt> there's a fake BL-5J. it's even sold us "Nokia Bl-5J compatible" not genuine
Apr 14 20:13:49 <BCMM_> is it possible to send files over skpe on an n900?
Apr 14 20:14:10 <MohammadAG> why is the media player stuttering gdi
Apr 14 20:14:41 <crs> Hi there. Are you guys using any todo managers with n900?
Apr 14 20:15:39 <MohammadAG> oh track's corrupt
Apr 14 20:15:50 <DocScrutinizer> btw LiIon _cells_ are build by maybe 2 or 3 huge fabs worldwide. You can buy premium grade, or second grade rating cells, but still the fakers use same cells for their fakes
Apr 14 20:15:56 * noobmonk3y needs a manager that manages me.... not a todo manager that i need to manage
Apr 14 20:16:06 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 14 20:16:09 <Scelt> kevloral: http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0027YK94O vs. http://www1.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_32444_1.jpg - which it seems to you?
Apr 14 20:16:24 * javispedro is deaf
Apr 14 20:16:31 <X-Fade> Loud.
Apr 14 20:16:31 * noobmonk3y blinks
Apr 14 20:16:40 * Khertan s en fout
Apr 14 20:16:43 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 20:16:48 <GAN900> Loud indeed
Apr 14 20:16:55 * GAN900 is deaf now.
Apr 14 20:16:56 <kevloral> Scelt: but how do you know that the picture in the dealextreme page belongs to the battery they are actually selling?
Apr 14 20:17:07 <javispedro> noooooooooooooooooooo
Apr 14 20:17:18 <X-Fade> buffering..
Apr 14 20:17:19 <X-Fade> Grr.
Apr 14 20:17:22 <javispedro> nooooooooooo image
Apr 14 20:17:29 <GAN900> Zemlin's still introducing
Apr 14 20:17:39 <GAN900> Ari's coming on stage
Apr 14 20:17:41 <DocScrutinizer> heh, you guys having fun?
Apr 14 20:17:44 <Scelt> kevloral: :D you don't
Apr 14 20:18:01 <javispedro> stop torrenting GAN900 dang it!
Apr 14 20:18:05 <Khertan> GAN900?
Apr 14 20:18:22 <javispedro> he's using all the upstream bandwidth
Apr 14 20:18:23 <Scelt> kevloral: but what is the worst part. you can't even know if you're local Nokia dealer sells fake batteries
Apr 14 20:18:23 <Khertan> hey ? a live streaming where to ?
Apr 14 20:18:31 <GAN900> Khertan, MeeGo keynote at LF Summit
Apr 14 20:18:44 <Khertan> uh ?! don't know
Apr 14 20:18:46 <javispedro> Khertan: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming (needs registration)
Apr 14 20:19:01 <Khertan> thx
Apr 14 20:19:27 <DocScrutinizer> fuck livestreams that need double-registration
Apr 14 20:19:33 <Khertan> click click click click on the register button
Apr 14 20:19:38 <ptl> bugmenot.com ?
Apr 14 20:19:45 <GAN900> History of Maemo
Apr 14 20:19:49 <GAN900> N900
Apr 14 20:20:18 <GAN900> Slow start
Apr 14 20:21:00 <GAN900> Legal and IP are big obstacles
Apr 14 20:21:41 <Khertan> ah ... email validation
Apr 14 20:22:05 <kevloral> Scelt: actually, I don't even know where there is a nokia dealer nearby. I always buy such things online.
Apr 14 20:22:19 <DocScrutinizer> (legal and IP) BS!
Apr 14 20:22:28 <GAN900> "understood community participation was important from the beginning"
Apr 14 20:22:30 <Scelt> kevloral: and the risk keeps rising
Apr 14 20:22:33 <GAN900> Er . . . yeah
Apr 14 20:23:03 <Stskeeps> GAN900: they are acting quite nicely with upstream though
Apr 14 20:23:07 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: keep on twittering though :-)
Apr 14 20:23:10 <GAN900> Product quality was "high on our mind"
Apr 14 20:23:19 <RST38h> GAN: has the word "paradigm" been used already?
Apr 14 20:23:33 <Stskeeps> are you playing bullshit bingo?
Apr 14 20:23:36 <GAN900> "N900 is the best in terms of quality and end-user acceptance"
Apr 14 20:23:47 <GAN900> Stskeeps, no.
Apr 14 20:23:48 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: you've been faster
Apr 14 20:23:53 <toggles_w> GAN900: ?
Apr 14 20:23:56 <toggles_w> you drunk?
Apr 14 20:24:01 <GAN900> "N900 exceeding expectations"
Apr 14 20:24:08 <GAN900> Somebody answer for me. :P
Apr 14 20:24:13 <toggles_w> ;-)
Apr 14 20:24:35 <GAN900> "Focus on developers" "Not happy about how that has been address [so far]"
Apr 14 20:24:38 <kevloral> Scelt: well, I really expect tienda.nokia.es to sell geniune batteries. :-)
Apr 14 20:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> toggles_w: shut up, he's lifetwittering from a talk
Apr 14 20:24:47 <RST38h> GAN: Is it time for a "Yea, right!" chorus?
Apr 14 20:25:10 <GAN900> toggles_w, Ari's MeeGo keynote at the LF Summit in SF
Apr 14 20:25:54 <GAN900> N900 used as a developer platform for MeeGo moving forward.
Apr 14 20:26:29 <GAN900> "What we need to change in that model ... is change the way we develop the product"
Apr 14 20:26:41 <GAN900> Talking about Sardine
Apr 14 20:26:54 <DocScrutinizer> stinking from head?
Apr 14 20:26:57 <GAN900> Trying to do integration and firmware development in the open
Apr 14 20:27:07 <GAN900> Didn't work well.
Apr 14 20:27:16 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/
Apr 14 20:27:23 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Apr 14 20:27:28 <DocScrutinizer> tx
Apr 14 20:27:32 <GAN900> "Now we're going to change that to build the MeeGo platform in the open"
Apr 14 20:27:45 <GAN900> That's the change they're going through right now.
Apr 14 20:28:01 <GAN900> slide. "How could we focus better on user experiences?
Apr 14 20:28:12 <GAN900> "How could we share more?"
Apr 14 20:28:20 <javispedro> either you type at superhuman speed, or my video feed is lagging :)
Apr 14 20:28:26 <BCMM_> i'm somewhat unfamiliar with debian, how do i tell which version of a package i have installed?
Apr 14 20:28:32 <Shapeshifter> huh
Apr 14 20:28:33 <GAN900> javispedro, both!
Apr 14 20:28:43 <RST38h> javispedro: he is guessing those statements ahead of time!
Apr 14 20:28:50 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900 is a bot, you should've known
Apr 14 20:28:54 <GAN900> Lot of analysis on how people use the devices
Apr 14 20:30:06 <Myrtti> do I have an error on my eyes, or has he not changed slides for a while? he talks about statistics and studies, but shows no piecharts
Apr 14 20:30:17 <GAN900> Myrtti, yeah. . . .
Apr 14 20:30:19 <javispedro> no piecharts? dealbreaker!
Apr 14 20:30:43 <Myrtti> well there's lots of waffling but no slides
Apr 14 20:30:53 <GAN900> Talking about communication and browsing focus. . . .
Apr 14 20:30:58 <Myrtti> I can't tell is that by purpose or by accident
Apr 14 20:31:02 <Shapeshifter> now he's Jim Zemlin
Apr 14 20:31:09 <javispedro> lol
Apr 14 20:31:22 <Myrtti> oof.
Apr 14 20:31:26 <GAN900> Focus on a featyre to make it something people really want to use.
Apr 14 20:31:37 <javispedro> small fsckup on the streaming feed ;)
Apr 14 20:31:42 <GAN900> Focus on user experience for MeeGo
Apr 14 20:31:53 <Shapeshifter> it's seriously lagging here
Apr 14 20:31:57 <GAN900> Collaborative to speed up development
Apr 14 20:31:58 * Stskeeps wonders what about DocScrutinizer 
Apr 14 20:32:00 <Khertan> ~ping
Apr 14 20:32:01 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 14 20:32:21 <josephnexus> hello everyone!
Apr 14 20:32:29 <GAN900> Want to do it under LF because it gives a platform and environment to do things open
Apr 14 20:32:31 <josephnexus> any news on when the next firmware is to be released?
Apr 14 20:32:45 <GAN900> Noticing duplication of effort between Intel and Nokia
Apr 14 20:32:57 <GAN900> "Why do we develop them separately?"
Apr 14 20:33:05 <javispedro> "How stupid is that?"
Apr 14 20:33:06 <Myrtti> oh crikey, seriously. Atleast I've got a British accent nowdays
Apr 14 20:33:08 <josephnexus> I saw that the SDK was out, but haven't seen the update available for my phone yet
Apr 14 20:33:09 <GAN900> Competitors can benefit from our work with open
Apr 14 20:33:17 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: btw, GAN900=GeneralAntilles :P
Apr 14 20:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: R
Apr 14 20:33:36 <GAN900> Balancing business considerations and openness
Apr 14 20:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> too long
Apr 14 20:33:48 <robtaylor> Myrtti: thanks for the hashtag :)
Apr 14 20:33:57 <Myrtti> robtaylor: np
Apr 14 20:34:00 <GAN900> Palm produced an OMAP3 product using Nokia code before Nokia.
Apr 14 20:34:10 <Khertan> ?
Apr 14 20:34:19 <Shapeshifter> this thing is lagging too much
Apr 14 20:34:30 <javispedro> I used that as an example of the maemo openness not so much time ago :)
Apr 14 20:34:34 <Khertan> the pre ? strange
Apr 14 20:34:36 <Myrtti> robtaylor: there's actually two tags going on
Apr 14 20:34:53 <Myrtti> robtaylor: other is lfcs2010
Apr 14 20:35:03 <GAN900> "Boils down to speed and quality and still making something you can compete [with]"
Apr 14 20:35:21 <GAN900> "Now if we put Moblin and Maemo together is this going to give more advantage to our competitors"
Apr 14 20:35:36 <GAN900> You can stay in your own proprierary corner, but how long will that work for?
Apr 14 20:35:45 <GAN900> "So we decided to take the next step"
Apr 14 20:35:45 <Myrtti> GAN900: you da man!
Apr 14 20:35:55 <javispedro> (cue slide with RPM logo)
Apr 14 20:36:09 <Stskeeps> GAN900: i will forever be 'hearing' you with ari jaaksi's voice from now on :/
Apr 14 20:36:12 <GAN900> Join forces and bring everyone in under the LF and MeeGo
Apr 14 20:36:17 <GAN900> Takes too much time to bring in more companies initially
Apr 14 20:36:19 <RST38h> <DEB advocates in the auditory cring and start smoking all over>
Apr 14 20:36:27 <Stskeeps> heh
Apr 14 20:36:27 <javispedro> gstreamer, connman, qt, safari, telepathy, linux, fennec, rpm, gnome, ofono, Xorg.
Apr 14 20:36:33 <GAN900> So get started with a small group and grow.
Apr 14 20:36:50 <Myrtti> pft. shut up all of you. MeeGo t-shirt heals all wounds
Apr 14 20:36:51 <GAN900> Merge Moblin and Maemo and do it in an open source way.
Apr 14 20:36:56 <Myrtti> whiners
Apr 14 20:37:08 <Myrtti> :-P
Apr 14 20:37:20 <GAN900> Repurposed maemo.org architecture venn diagrom with MeeGo on slide.
Apr 14 20:37:37 <javispedro> "#undo" should get converted into an internet meme
Apr 14 20:37:40 <n900-dk> Are there any news on OviMaps3 for maybe-once-upon-a-time-comming PR1.2?
Apr 14 20:37:41 <lcuk> why doesnt ari take part in the meetings occasionally :D
Apr 14 20:37:54 <GAN900> emails: OMG! Internet is talking about our roadmap online!
Apr 14 20:38:00 <GAN900> "that's OK"
Apr 14 20:38:06 <lcuk> quim looks somewhat tired!
Apr 14 20:38:13 <RST38h> no shit...
Apr 14 20:38:17 <GAN900> "It's our duty to, along with the LF, is to keep it open"
Apr 14 20:38:25 <lcuk> i want to photoshop his face on the entire crowd lol
Apr 14 20:38:29 <GAN900> No code, so what is this thing?
Apr 14 20:38:57 <Myrtti> lcuk: when doesn't he *NOT* look tired?
Apr 14 20:39:07 <GAN900> "Show our vulnerability from the beginning and invite everybody to participate"
Apr 14 20:39:08 <Stskeeps> i've seen quim not tired. admittedly, it was 8am
Apr 14 20:39:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 14 20:39:19 <GAN900> "It is by design that we are just building it up"
Apr 14 20:39:21 <lcuk> when he has those googly eye things in :D
Apr 14 20:39:32 <GAN900> "Now is the right time to join the ride"
Apr 14 20:39:32 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Already late for him then ;)
Apr 14 20:39:49 <Myrtti> now is the cue for screaming "RPM to HELL!!!!"
Apr 14 20:39:53 <javispedro> decsisions, decisions.
Apr 14 20:39:56 <lcuk> hundreds of top "nudge" projects
Apr 14 20:39:59 <GAN900> Taken architecture descisions from Moblin and Maemo
Apr 14 20:40:01 <javispedro> *decisions.
Apr 14 20:40:23 <GAN900> Ongoing process we invite other to participate in
Apr 14 20:40:31 <RST38h> delusions delusions
Apr 14 20:40:45 <GAN900> slide: "Designed for multiple device segments"
Apr 14 20:40:51 <GAN900> (see meego.com . . .)
Apr 14 20:40:53 <lcuk> netbooks tvs handsets ivi media phones
Apr 14 20:40:55 * javispedro heard an store where you can buy application developers
Apr 14 20:41:22 <javispedro> heh, the Joggler
Apr 14 20:41:31 <Stskeeps> a joggler?
Apr 14 20:41:35 <GAN900> Arch diagram: Differentiation (Ovi, etc): MeeGo: "Platforms basede multiple hardware arch"
Apr 14 20:41:35 <javispedro> a OpenTablet
Apr 14 20:41:45 <javispedro> in the "Media Phones" category.
Apr 14 20:41:45 <GAN900> "am
Apr 14 20:42:04 <GAN900> "Maybe one of the first in the industry to target such a wide range"
Apr 14 20:42:18 <GAN900> Have compatibility across all of these segments
Apr 14 20:42:22 <javispedro> the codec used by ustream doesn't do ari's face any justice
Apr 14 20:42:31 <GAN900> "Development needs to be open and target really wide"
Apr 14 20:42:46 <GAN900> "We are working on the next MeeGo-based products as we speak"
Apr 14 20:42:52 * javispedro will have nightmares later on with some of the artifacts
Apr 14 20:43:05 <GAN900> Bergie will have a summary on his qauku after
Apr 14 20:43:06 * DocScrutinizer appreciates javispedro's background comments :-)
Apr 14 20:43:20 <GAN900> How Intel and Nokia completement eachother
Apr 14 20:43:28 <GAN900> Nokia brings user experience
Apr 14 20:43:42 <GAN900> Intel brings infra and platform building EX
Apr 14 20:43:49 <GAN900> XP*
Apr 14 20:43:58 <GAN900> "For example"
Apr 14 20:44:12 <GAN900> slide "Bringing together some of the brightest minds"
Apr 14 20:44:40 <nid0> I clearly missed something while out, there a webcast on or something?
Apr 14 20:44:46 <GAN900> "I think that ... Maemo can bring mobile handset experience ... operators ... ARM"
Apr 14 20:44:47 <DocScrutinizer> heard that before
Apr 14 20:44:51 <javispedro> nid0: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming
Apr 14 20:44:56 <nid0> ta
Apr 14 20:45:07 <GAN900> "Intel ... kernel ... x11 ... fundamental platform ingredients
Apr 14 20:45:13 * GAN900 has tired thumbs
Apr 14 20:45:19 <Khertan> hihi
Apr 14 20:45:25 <GAN900> "Good adition we didn't have in house
Apr 14 20:45:31 * lcuk thinks GAN900 is doing admirably
Apr 14 20:45:37 <GAN900> "Now is the time to join the MeeGo project"
Apr 14 20:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: you're incredible! struggle on please :-)
Apr 14 20:45:50 <GAN900> "Turning into a MeeGo commercial"
Apr 14 20:45:54 <javispedro> you'll cause him rsi; believe me he's typing very fast.
Apr 14 20:46:20 <GAN900> "This is open ... you can follow where your [contribution] goes."
Apr 14 20:46:42 <lcuk> collabora missing!
Apr 14 20:46:47 <GAN900> Maemo Community Council missing from this slide listing companies from the PR release. :(
Apr 14 20:46:51 <javispedro> acer asus bmv cisco careland cs2c devicevm gameloft ea intel kingsoft linpus mandriva metasys montavista neusoft nokia novell pixart red flag tencent turbolinux wind river xandros
Apr 14 20:46:56 <Myrtti> lcuk: there's plenty missing
Apr 14 20:47:01 <GAN900> Ari blamed the guys who made his slide if there are missing
Apr 14 20:47:02 <javispedro>  + ericsson
Apr 14 20:47:14 <lcuk> Myrtti, i notice some more than others :)
Apr 14 20:47:15 <GAN900> roadmap
Apr 14 20:47:23 <GAN900> Too lazy to type it out
Apr 14 20:47:32 <javispedro> 31.03.2010 first code drop of 10.2
Apr 14 20:47:34 <Stskeeps> 10.2?
Apr 14 20:47:35 <Stskeeps> what
Apr 14 20:47:35 <Stskeeps> ?
Apr 14 20:47:36 <DocScrutinizer> ahh see meego.com
Apr 14 20:47:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 14 20:47:39 <lcuk> wasnt someone saying codedrop == bad
Apr 14 20:47:50 <GAN900> Stskeeps, Mac OS X
Apr 14 20:47:50 <javispedro> q2 code complete of meego 10.2  O.o ?
Apr 14 20:47:55 <lcuk> the ibm guy earlier wasnt it!?
Apr 14 20:48:03 <javispedro> q1 2010 code complete of 10.4
Apr 14 20:48:26 <GAN900> "Last thoughts"
Apr 14 20:48:32 <GAN900> "Todo list for MeeGo"
Apr 14 20:48:39 <GAN900> Get the code out early
Apr 14 20:49:00 <GAN900> "Can see a lot of what we are up to with the code"
Apr 14 20:49:00 <DocScrutinizer> nuke blobs
Apr 14 20:49:05 <GAN900> If you connect the dots. . . .
Apr 14 20:49:08 <lcuk> missing * develop user applications in the open too.   \@/
Apr 14 20:49:20 <GAN900> Slide: develop in the open
Apr 14 20:49:27 <GAN900> maintain quality and focus
Apr 14 20:49:33 <GAN900> governance simple
Apr 14 20:49:36 <Myrtti> some of Bergies notes already in Qaiku: http://g0.fi/75o
Apr 14 20:49:42 <GAN900> help others to join
Apr 14 20:49:45 <GAN900> move fast!
Apr 14 20:49:56 <DocScrutinizer> heard that too
Apr 14 20:50:04 <DocScrutinizer> before
Apr 14 20:50:13 <GAN900> Didn't do development in the open with Maemo
Apr 14 20:50:15 <MohammadAG> the autocleaner runs too often now
Apr 14 20:50:24 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: sshh
Apr 14 20:50:26 * lcuk agrees with that statement
Apr 14 20:50:35 <MohammadAG> If I upload a new package the old one is immediately deleted
Apr 14 20:50:38 <GAN900> "Lot of work to finish up product"
Apr 14 20:50:43 <lcuk> ^ that one
Apr 14 20:50:46 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, ?
Apr 14 20:51:51 <GAN900> "At least in the mobile industry ... thinking that can we really trust this open source stuff?"
Apr 14 20:52:00 <GAN900> "We can't be carried away by new features and innovation before we have this quality"
Apr 14 20:52:40 <GAN900> "Be part of development and influence the direction."
Apr 14 20:52:40 <GAN900> "Needs to be very simple for us to maintain the speed"
Apr 14 20:52:43 <PhonicUK> how do i get libhildon 2.2.10 or above for psx4all?
Apr 14 20:53:11 <X-Fade> PhonicUK: Wait 2 days for us to sort things out.
Apr 14 20:53:12 <Khertan> PhonicUK: install Pr1.2 ...
Apr 14 20:53:52 <GAN900> Other companies asking how they can join
Apr 14 20:53:53 <GAN900> "Need to be more clear on that"
Apr 14 20:53:53 <GAN900> "Need to move really fast"
Apr 14 20:53:53 <GAN900> "MeeGo ... combination of two existing projects ... really vibrant ... keep open ... keep governance simple ... focus on user experience"
Apr 14 20:54:11 <GAN900> "MeeGo ... combination of two existing projects ... really vibrant ... keep open ... keep governance simple ... focus on user experience"
Apr 14 20:54:14 <Texrat> lol at GAN900 beside me, thumbing his n900 like a madman
Apr 14 20:54:15 <GAN900> crap
Apr 14 20:54:34 <GAN900> "Now it's time to participate on meego.com"
Apr 14 20:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> Texrat: and we love him for that
Apr 14 20:54:44 <GAN900> "Was that too much of a sales pitch?"
Apr 14 20:55:06 <GAN900> Question about appstore etc stuff that makes a product sucessful
Apr 14 20:55:25 <GAN900> Working with Intel to build up tools for app developers
Apr 14 20:55:37 <GAN900> "We got a lot of things going on on that front"
Apr 14 20:55:48 <Texrat> I preferred Nokia MeeGo 'sales pitch' over IBM 'look how good we are for linux' sales pitch
Apr 14 20:55:50 <GAN900> "Maybe too much focus in building the firmware, though"
Apr 14 20:56:14 <Myrtti> I've got it on my Flipcam
Apr 14 20:56:30 <GAN900> "This needs to get out of Intel/Nokia hands into LF and [community] hands"
Apr 14 20:56:42 <GAN900> question "Do you see a merging with LiMo"
Apr 14 20:56:44 <Texrat> when GAN900 is my age, his thumbs will hate him for this day
Apr 14 20:56:52 <DocScrutinizer> hear hear
Apr 14 20:56:56 <javispedro> I told you he was going to get rsi :)
Apr 14 20:57:10 <GAN900> and "Both Intel and Nokia have a vetoe ... how does that affect an open community"
Apr 14 20:57:15 <javispedro> considering the average n900 build quality though, the n900 will selfdestroy before that
Apr 14 20:57:20 <BCMM_> why does ovi maps have a fullscreen can't get out splash screen?
Apr 14 20:57:28 <BCMM_> why can't i just use another application while i wait?
Apr 14 20:57:32 <GAN900> "All of these things are something we will change if they become obstacles."
Apr 14 20:57:34 <BCMM_>  /rant
Apr 14 20:57:35 <Texrat> lol @ provocative questions
Apr 14 20:57:36 <BCMM_> (sorry)
Apr 14 20:57:55 <BCMM_> probably because the rest of the system would be too sluggish
Apr 14 20:57:57 <GAN900> "It is still an Intel and Nokia game but we are getting more help"
Apr 14 20:58:04 <GAN900> Will be fixed if they need to be
Apr 14 20:58:17 <GAN900> question "What will happen with Sym foundation"
Apr 14 20:58:19 <lcuk> hes just vetoed the veto question :D
Apr 14 20:58:22 <javispedro> hah
Apr 14 20:58:23 <GAN900> "It's another thing"
Apr 14 20:58:50 <GAN900> Symbian and MeeGo will both be shipped side by side
Apr 14 20:58:55 <GAN900> S40, too!
Apr 14 20:58:57 * Texrat just vetoed lcuk
Apr 14 20:59:02 <GAN900> Doesn't see that changing anytime soon.
Apr 14 20:59:11 * lcuk vetoes texrats stage dive
Apr 14 20:59:28 * Texrat agrees with lcuk
Apr 14 20:59:38 <GAN900> Stupid question I don't feel like typing about
Apr 14 20:59:42 <javispedro> yeah
Apr 14 20:59:45 <Texrat> world ends
Apr 14 20:59:47 <nid0> dumb question
Apr 14 20:59:48 <GAN900> "I don't really have a stron comment about that"
Apr 14 20:59:51 <GAN900> Ari agrees
Apr 14 20:59:56 <Mek> BCMM_: ctrl+backspace gets you out of the splash screen...
Apr 14 21:00:01 <GAN900> question "App deployment"
Apr 14 21:00:07 <GAN900> Another appstore question
Apr 14 21:00:16 <GAN900> Individual app stores or global
Apr 14 21:00:41 <GAN900> "Compliance test hosted by LF to use MeeGo brand"
Apr 14 21:00:49 <GAN900> App store is different question
Apr 14 21:01:02 <GAN900> per-manufacturer appstore, it sounds like.
Apr 14 21:01:11 <nid0> crazy tbh
Apr 14 21:01:21 <GAN900> "It may change in the future, he doesn't know
Apr 14 21:01:26 <lcuk> time for my app store store
Apr 14 21:01:29 <GAN900> . and done
Apr 14 21:01:30 <lcuk> who wants an app store?
Apr 14 21:01:50 <GAN900> Gonna rest my thumbs for the panel and prep for Imad later.
Apr 14 21:01:51 <Khertan> lcuk : we can share one ...
Apr 14 21:02:01 * GAN900 goes in for thumb surgery.
Apr 14 21:02:05 <Khertan> lcuk : paypal paiement is already working
Apr 14 21:02:07 <lcuk> you want an app store store too?
Apr 14 21:02:27 <Stskeeps> who's the guy on stage atm?
Apr 14 21:02:34 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: incredible! thanks a lot!
Apr 14 21:02:36 <javispedro> Jim Zemlim if the subtitle is to be believed.
Apr 14 21:02:47 * Texrat taking donations for GAN900 thumb surgery.  It will be open sourced
Apr 14 21:02:50 <Myrtti> it is indeed
Apr 14 21:02:56 <Khertan> thx GAN900
Apr 14 21:03:02 <lcuk> Texrat, hes having meetings with nokia
Apr 14 21:03:08 <GAN900> No problem!
Apr 14 21:03:15 <GAN900> Thanks for reading. ;)
Apr 14 21:03:18 <lcuk> they will take the pain away
Apr 14 21:03:22 <GAN900> lwn recommendation
Apr 14 21:03:22 <javispedro> where do you want the karma trucks? front of the house?
Apr 14 21:03:27 * GAN900 plugs mwkn.net
Apr 14 21:03:34 <lcuk> :) GAN900 nicely done
Apr 14 21:03:41 <lcuk> you were a secretary in a previous life
Apr 14 21:03:56 <BCMM_> thumb surgery?
Apr 14 21:03:57 <GAN900> Hehe
Apr 14 21:04:04 <BCMM_> lost the stylus and need smaller thumbs?
Apr 14 21:04:25 * Texrat taking applications for GAN900 thumb surgeon.  Must be willing to televise and explain procedure
Apr 14 21:04:28 <GeneralAntilles1> Wee
Apr 14 21:04:32 <GeneralAntilles1> Exercise my other fingers now.
Apr 14 21:04:42 * DocScrutinizer hands 'fastest N900 typer ever" award to GeneralAntilles1
Apr 14 21:04:46 <GeneralAntilles1> Guy beside me is staring at my OS X Mini 9
Apr 14 21:05:23 <n900-dk> Could you guys explain to n00bs like me in few words, what was just going on?
Apr 14 21:05:27 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles1, hes staring at your super thumbs
Apr 14 21:05:31 * Texrat prepares to punish Generalantilles1 for netbook blasphemy
Apr 14 21:05:36 <BCMM_> gah, it's me!
Apr 14 21:05:36 <BCMM_> i must've started xchat
Apr 14 21:05:46 <javispedro> Texrat: bring in some ice for gan's thumbs
Apr 14 21:06:02 <javispedro> i'm pretty sure one of those kernel kernel hackers will be able to do some surgery :)
Apr 14 21:06:29 <Texrat> he's making fun of me for stylus use, but at least my stylus doesn't bitch
Apr 14 21:06:51 <DocScrutinizer> n900-dk: + other 'noobs' - gan900 was livetwittering from a talk
Apr 14 21:06:56 <GeneralAntilles1> Christ
Apr 14 21:06:58 <GeneralAntilles1> The freaking stylus
Apr 14 21:07:03 <GeneralAntilles1> This aint the 770
Apr 14 21:07:12 <GeneralAntilles1> tap tap tap
Apr 14 21:07:17 <Texrat> eat me, neighbor
Apr 14 21:07:25 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles1: get a beer!
Apr 14 21:07:32 <lcuk> he cant
Apr 14 21:07:32 * javispedro envisions the scene and jiggles
Apr 14 21:07:39 <lcuk> needs opposable thumbs to hold it
Apr 14 21:07:45 <GeneralAntilles1> DocScrutinizer: open bar in 4 hours!!!
Apr 14 21:07:53 <DocScrutinizer> eeew
Apr 14 21:07:53 <GeneralAntilles1> jiggles?
Apr 14 21:07:55 <GeneralAntilles1> Gross.
Apr 14 21:08:16 <n900-dk> guess it wasn't a talk with his mum..
Apr 14 21:08:58 <Myrtti> pwuh
Apr 14 21:09:18 <GeneralAntilles1> n900-dk: Ari Jaaksi talking about MeeGo at the Linux Foundation Summit in SF
Apr 14 21:09:53 * Texrat looks forward to open bar
Apr 14 21:10:49 <javispedro> LG to join the Linux Foundation
Apr 14 21:11:14 <MohammadAG> the foundation is doomed :p
Apr 14 21:11:22 <GAN900> Damn, red batt
Apr 14 21:11:42 <Proteous> and cute/sad beeping
Apr 14 21:11:59 <Texrat> Nokia needs the competition re LG
Apr 14 21:12:10 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: time for the spare :-)
Apr 14 21:12:11 <Myrtti> was there honey at the coffee service? I desperately need something antiseptic for my throat. These cough drops with benzocaine just numb...
Apr 14 21:12:41 <X-Fade> Ugh. "Kernal developer" ;)
Apr 14 21:12:48 <X-Fade> Nice typo
Apr 14 21:13:50 <Texrat> Myrtti I am so sorry I did not recognize you when you chewed me out for being antisocial
Apr 14 21:13:54 * DocScrutinizer blinking anfrily at his LG TV with the abyssmal firmware
Apr 14 21:14:02 <DocScrutinizer> angrily
Apr 14 21:14:07 <javispedro> James must have looked at GAN's mini 9 too.
Apr 14 21:15:15 <DocScrutinizer> Texrat: GAN900: pizza service? they deliver beverage as well
Apr 14 21:15:27 <GeneralAntilles1> Damn
Apr 14 21:15:32 <GeneralAntilles1> Closed my netbook while changing batts
Apr 14 21:15:47 <DocScrutinizer> huuh?
Apr 14 21:15:50 <GeneralAntilles1> Er
Apr 14 21:15:53 <GeneralAntilles1> N900 batteries
Apr 14 21:15:58 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Apr 14 21:16:02 <DocScrutinizer> :-(
Apr 14 21:16:05 <Myrtti> Texrat: it happens at every geek community gettogether. Birds of  a Feather happens automatically
Apr 14 21:16:31 <Myrtti> people and their comfort zones, keeping company with people you already know
Apr 14 21:16:31 <GeneralAntilles1> Bleh, N900 is frozen now
Apr 14 21:16:49 <javispedro> rsi selfprotection, it's forcing you to rest
Apr 14 21:16:57 <javispedro> nokia cares about us
Apr 14 21:17:10 <Texrat> Myrtti I do want to chat with you though
Apr 14 21:17:15 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: lol
Apr 14 21:17:42 <Texrat> I am not worried about comfort zones ;)
Apr 14 21:17:53 <GeneralAntilles1> Because he's a creeper
Apr 14 21:18:18 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: a whole new class of apps - rsi protection, reaction time tests with car ignition blocking...
Apr 14 21:18:36 * RST38h yawns and goes to sleep
Apr 14 21:18:39 * Texrat jabs Generalantilles1 with stylus
Apr 14 21:18:45 <n900-dk> How many of you guys are at the summit in SF?
Apr 14 21:19:08 <Texrat> all of us
Apr 14 21:19:09 <GeneralAntilles1> About 8 or 10
Apr 14 21:19:16 <DocScrutinizer> all, but only virtual ;-)
Apr 14 21:19:17 <javispedro> 3.
Apr 14 21:19:32 <Myrtti> I can lend you my N800 kekekekeke
Apr 14 21:19:52 <DocScrutinizer> thanks to rapid reporter GAN900
Apr 14 21:20:54 <GeneralAntilles1> If anybody has any issues they want me to bug people about at the workshop tomorrow. . . .
Apr 14 21:21:04 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: that's been an int or an emoticon?
Apr 14 21:21:14 <javispedro> a lie.
Apr 14 21:21:40 <javispedro> GeneralAntilles: naa, we prefer you to keep on ircing everything your eyes see >:)
Apr 14 21:22:00 <GeneralAntilles1> kernel discussion
Apr 14 21:22:03 <GeneralAntilles1> To lazy
Apr 14 21:22:05 <GeneralAntilles1> Too
Apr 14 21:22:15 <Khertan> hihi with oc ?
Apr 14 21:22:33 <javispedro> yeah yeah forget about kernel
Apr 14 21:22:38 <javispedro> rest
Apr 14 21:22:41 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles1: anyway keep in mind we by no means want any blobs on meego
Apr 14 21:22:42 <GeneralAntilles1> It's goddamn hot in here
Apr 14 21:22:47 <GeneralAntilles1> They need to turn on the AC
Apr 14 21:23:01 <GeneralAntilles1> Too many overclocked N900s in the room. . . .
Apr 14 21:23:08 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Apr 14 21:23:35 <DocScrutinizer> "No Sir, that's not been a cigarette"
Apr 14 21:23:46 <javispedro> clearly, the discussion's very hot
Apr 14 21:23:47 <GeneralAntilles1> "I'm not ducking work. I'm giving other people an opportunity to come into the community"
Apr 14 21:23:57 <GeneralAntilles1> rpm vs deb!!!!!
Apr 14 21:24:14 <Texrat> how can I sit next to generalantilles1 and be in a different weather zone?
Apr 14 21:24:31 <X-Fade> Hey is Jamie there too?
Apr 14 21:24:31 <DocScrutinizer> I am community. You're welcome to join me?!
Apr 14 21:24:51 <GeneralAntilles1> X-Fade, haven't seen him
Apr 14 21:24:57 <GeneralAntilles1> Henri is sitting in front of me
Apr 14 21:24:59 <javispedro> if we ever implement a karma donating system, and somebody shoots .deb rules!! out loud I will give him all my tmo posts karma </lie>
Apr 14 21:25:03 <GeneralAntilles1> Myrtti's a few rows back
Apr 14 21:25:06 <X-Fade> Thought I spotted him in the audience.
Apr 14 21:25:09 <GeneralAntilles1> dneary is floating around somewhere
Apr 14 21:25:31 <DocScrutinizer> rulez!
Apr 14 21:25:45 <DocScrutinizer> with capital Z
Apr 14 21:25:53 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Apr 14 21:26:54 <Texrat> someone said rpm? drink!
Apr 14 21:27:46 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like 'Life of Brian'
Apr 14 21:28:35 <javispedro> where to bang in the kernel with a hammer is $999
Apr 14 21:29:42 * DocScrutinizer considers to do some 'real work' and prepare a paper for stskeeps
Apr 14 21:29:58 <Texrat> we old farts have value!!!!!
Apr 14 21:31:49 <DocScrutinizer> anyway something's wrong with my workplace ergonomy. Foot soles shouldn't be higher than keyboard
Apr 14 21:33:07 <n900-dk> Sounds like a perfect workplace :)
Apr 14 21:33:27 <DocScrutinizer> maybe I could licence this to Guantanamo
Apr 14 21:34:40 <javispedro> aha, he must be a university professor
Apr 14 21:34:54 <BCMM_> anybody know what the other applet in this screenshots is? http://maemocentral.com/2009/12/15/how-to-turn-your-n900-into-a-flashlight/
Apr 14 21:35:03 <X-Fade> Yeah, typical ;)
Apr 14 21:35:33 <BCMM_> or indeed if there is a GUI way to take photos from the front webcam?
Apr 14 21:36:00 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: which one?
Apr 14 21:36:11 <DocScrutinizer> other applet?
Apr 14 21:36:13 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: the first
Apr 14 21:36:25 <DocScrutinizer> there are several
Apr 14 21:37:02 <BCMM_> the one above flashlight in the first screenshot
Apr 14 21:37:14 <BCMM_> with a picture of a camera and a webcam
Apr 14 21:37:29 <BCMM_> was wondering if they represented the two cameras in the n900
Apr 14 21:37:47 <DocScrutinizer> the two small ones are from load applet and create screenshot (right) and allegedly screen stream or sth
Apr 14 21:38:25 <DocScrutinizer> no cams, both a different flavours of screenshot utilities
Apr 14 21:38:49 <javispedro> he just told him to go fix it himself :)
Apr 14 21:39:06 <Texrat> n900 battery at 50%... time to leave internet
Apr 14 21:39:09 <DocScrutinizer> webcam never worked for me. screenshot became obsolete with ctrl-p
Apr 14 21:39:29 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: ah; thanks
Apr 14 21:39:45 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 14 21:40:17 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: ""webcam"" which is actually supposed to create a videoclip of your screen in action
Apr 14 21:41:17 <solrize> n900's have suddenly gotten more expensive :(
Apr 14 21:41:23 <DocScrutinizer> and in fact it creates a video file somewhere, alas it's always been empty or black for me
Apr 14 21:41:45 <DocScrutinizer> solrize: WHAT??
Apr 14 21:41:59 <GeneralAntilles1> clapping for Android
Apr 14 21:41:59 <GeneralAntilles1> booo
Apr 14 21:42:12 <solrize> doc, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205178
Apr 14 21:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles1: please invite them here, so I can kickban them ;-P
Apr 14 21:42:43 <javispedro> do it loudly, preferably
Apr 14 21:43:19 <solrize> i think they were almost $100 lower a few weeks ago
Apr 14 21:43:39 <javispedro> they promised us some kernel developers would talk. who are all those kernal [sic] developers?
Apr 14 21:43:52 <GeneralAntilles1> James Bottomley, Novell
Apr 14 21:43:57 <GeneralAntilles1> Jon Corbet, LWN.net
Apr 14 21:44:00 <javispedro> GeneralAntilles: no need
Apr 14 21:44:01 <GeneralAntilles1> Christoph Hellwig
Apr 14 21:44:06 <solrize> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49400   hmm, looks like there was a shortage
Apr 14 21:44:06 <javispedro> just joking about the subtitles
Apr 14 21:44:09 <GeneralAntilles1> Ah
Apr 14 21:44:10 <GeneralAntilles1> OK
Apr 14 21:44:12 <javispedro> which actually say "Kernal" :)
Apr 14 21:44:18 * GeneralAntilles1 is tired and helpful! ;)
Apr 14 21:44:25 <javispedro> GeneralAntilles: relax those fingers!
Apr 14 21:44:50 <javispedro> lol.
Apr 14 21:44:58 <GAN800> Wee, purty cloak
Apr 14 21:45:21 <X-Fade> Hehe :)
Apr 14 21:45:40 <GAN800> Only about 2 years later!
Apr 14 21:45:54 <X-Fade> GAN800: Ssssssh!
Apr 14 21:46:06 <X-Fade> Some people do real work, you know :)
Apr 14 21:46:07 <solrize> "I ordered one from Dell USA s they lowered the price to 440USD+tax . I thought Nokia may release an upgrade for N900 on the 13thApril."   (from that thread)
Apr 14 21:46:11 <Myrtti> juice box time
Apr 14 21:46:16 <GAN800> X-Fade, who, Freenode?
Apr 14 21:46:18 <GAN800> :P
Apr 14 21:46:22 <javispedro> hah, GAN wasn't clapping!
Apr 14 21:46:24 <MohammadAG> GAN = General Antilles, wow, that took me time
Apr 14 21:46:26 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh GAN800
Apr 14 21:46:40 <solrize> so, symbian is open source now, right?  does that mean if i get an e63, i can program it?
Apr 14 21:46:41 <MohammadAG> (a lot of it XD)
Apr 14 21:46:45 <GAN800> javispedro: kernel sucks!
Apr 14 21:47:03 <GAN800> solrize: no
Apr 14 21:47:04 <MohammadAG> solrize, there are custom ROMs, but it's not the open source symbian on the E63
Apr 14 21:47:11 <solrize> ic, thanks
Apr 14 21:47:16 <MohammadAG> which is Symbian^3
Apr 14 21:47:21 <solrize> there are very cheap e63's on newegg now
Apr 14 21:47:21 <GAN800> Imad is up
Apr 14 21:47:29 <solrize> seems like a generally nice phone
Apr 14 21:48:47 <javispedro> ok. LOL.
Apr 14 21:49:23 <javispedro> Apple should hire the guys who writes the titles
Apr 14 21:50:00 <Myrtti> uhoh.
Apr 14 21:50:23 <GAN800> Chart showing company kernel contribution by version
Apr 14 21:50:40 <GAN800> Nokia is #5
Apr 14 21:50:42 <GAN800> Intel is #2
Apr 14 21:51:08 <GAN800> Big Oracle spike at 2.6.29
Apr 14 21:51:59 <GAN800> Works takes place upstream yadda yadda yadda
Apr 14 21:54:12 <javispedro> meego!
Apr 14 21:54:46 <javispedro> MeeGo, the best of Mobling and Maemo, fully open source software platform, Common set of APIs across devices
Apr 14 21:55:04 <ptl> ditching deb for rpm,...
Apr 14 21:55:04 <GAN800> If you want a transcript of this talk, refer to my notes from Ari's talk earlier.
Apr 14 21:55:10 <javispedro> er.... Moblin :)
Apr 14 21:57:15 <Myrtti> er. what are these people in a row before me doing? they're rocking themselves back and forth...
Apr 14 21:57:25 <Myrtti> it's not *THAT* boring talk!
Apr 14 21:57:31 <GAN800> lol
Apr 14 21:57:36 <SpeedEvil> fa
Apr 14 21:57:39 <SpeedEvil> typing
Apr 14 21:57:55 <Myrtti> (also using Windows XP, IE6 and Outlook)
Apr 14 21:58:11 <GAN800> Myrtti: hit them.
Apr 14 22:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> now for real F**K-YOU - how would I cancel a LF registration?
Apr 14 22:01:53 <DocScrutinizer> Qty 1, Item: livestream - 0$, place in cart and fill form about maiden name of your grandma
Apr 14 22:02:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart videostreaming webmaster of LF
Apr 14 22:02:49 * infobot says "boot to the head" and knocks videostreaming webmaster of LF over
Apr 14 22:03:23 <GAN800> Fast Boot — how to make x86 not suck so much for mobile use
Apr 14 22:03:57 <javispedro> what has x86 do with boot time? :)
Apr 14 22:04:14 <DocScrutinizer> not that much
Apr 14 22:04:36 <javispedro> yeah, ms-dos boots in, like, a nanosecond.
Apr 14 22:04:38 <GAN800> javispedro: well, setting aside Maemo 5's crippling fail with long uptimes, x86 needs fast bootin/shutdown to save power. :P
Apr 14 22:04:45 <DocScrutinizer> and x86 sucks on mobile use no matter what
Apr 14 22:04:57 <GAN800> Well, that
Apr 14 22:05:04 <GAN800> Forgot the sarcasm tags. ;)
Apr 14 22:05:24 <javispedro> touché.
Apr 14 22:05:50 <GAN800> They dropped 10 from the version
Apr 14 22:06:34 * ShadowJK wonders how fast swap to local nbd server deadlocks :D
Apr 14 22:07:47 <DocScrutinizer> GAN800: what's been your internet while twittering? wlan? 3G?
Apr 14 22:08:13 <GAN800> WLAN
Apr 14 22:08:23 <GAN800> +1 second ping time
Apr 14 22:08:28 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Apr 14 22:08:32 <GAN800> lol
Apr 14 22:08:34 <GAN800> good question
Apr 14 22:08:39 <GAN800> Here comes the brand fscking confusion
Apr 14 22:08:53 <DocScrutinizer> wondered how you'd manage to type the '2nd' line in less than 1sec
Apr 14 22:09:12 <X-Fade> Who is that guy?
Apr 14 22:09:19 <GAN800> No idea
Apr 14 22:09:24 <GAN800> I'm all the way across the room
Apr 14 22:09:30 <X-Fade> He knows his stuff at least ;)
Apr 14 22:09:34 <ShadowJK> is this recorded for later viewing?
Apr 14 22:09:38 <GAN800> (front left, 4th row, middle)
Apr 14 22:09:41 <GAN800> ShadowJK: was last year
Apr 14 22:09:54 <DocScrutinizer> GAN800: so make that more like 5..10sec ping worst case
Apr 14 22:10:24 <javispedro> hah
Apr 14 22:10:26 <javispedro> I love that g uy
Apr 14 22:10:32 * ShadowJK is happy his operator fixed 2g, now I can probably stream music all night :D
Apr 14 22:10:44 <javispedro> poke him so that he asks about .deb
Apr 14 22:10:52 <GAN800> Haha
Apr 14 22:10:53 <nid0> why're they fixating on skype and flash instead of just saying "gsm drivers will stay closed"
Apr 14 22:10:54 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: hooray
Apr 14 22:11:03 <GAN800> nid0: because they wont?
Apr 14 22:11:07 <GAN800> See oFono
Apr 14 22:11:10 <GAN800> Well, sort of
Apr 14 22:11:26 <X-Fade> ofono still needs the closed drivers :)
Apr 14 22:11:46 <DocScrutinizer> gsm stack will keep closed for a loooong time
Apr 14 22:11:58 <ShadowJK> 128kbit AAC fits nicely in EDGE :)
Apr 14 22:12:40 <javispedro> yes, he should have ran out of the room
Apr 14 22:12:49 <DocScrutinizer> I'd be happy with a full fledged 3GPP AT interface though
Apr 14 22:13:16 <DocScrutinizer> pnatd is kinda crappy wrt that
Apr 14 22:14:28 <X-Fade> Ok, time to go to sleep. Long day.
Apr 14 22:14:42 <javispedro> yeah, gnite.
Apr 14 22:14:42 <X-Fade> I'll see the fallout tomorrow ;)
Apr 14 22:14:47 <DocScrutinizer> n8 X-Fade
Apr 14 22:15:46 <SpeedEvil> First rule of fallout - run at 90 degrees to wind direction.
Apr 14 22:16:05 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
Apr 14 22:16:12 <DocScrutinizer> pondering that advice
Apr 14 22:16:47 <DocScrutinizer> seems like running away under the rain
Apr 14 22:17:41 <DocScrutinizer> well maybe with a car, and sufficient distance to ground zero
Apr 14 22:19:07 <BCMM_> where on earth is "Video clips" on the real filesystem?
Apr 14 22:19:28 <SpeedEvil>  /home/user/MyDocs/.videos/
Apr 14 22:19:36 <DocScrutinizer> in some friggin hidden directory
Apr 14 22:19:45 <BCMM_> (i've made a nice little video, 10x10 white pixels by one frame, and left it there)
Apr 14 22:19:53 <BCMM_> (going to replace the hands bootup video)
Apr 14 22:20:03 <BCMM_> mine has no sound...
Apr 14 22:20:13 <DocScrutinizer> oooooh
Apr 14 22:20:24 <BCMM_> thanks, didn't think of hidden directories
Apr 14 22:20:30 <SpeedEvil> Well - some videos take quite little cpu to play
Apr 14 22:20:40 <BCMM_> unless of course there is some "start up silently" option somewhere
Apr 14 22:20:41 <SpeedEvil> So there may be almost no effect on boottime of doing that
Apr 14 22:21:02 <BCMM_> SpeedEvil: it's the noisemaking that bothers me
Apr 14 22:21:04 <SpeedEvil> the video is kicked off in /etc/*
Apr 14 22:21:07 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 14 22:21:19 <BCMM_> well, bootup is almost all diskbound on machines with disks
Apr 14 22:21:34 <DocScrutinizer> a lot of people attribute all kinds of  negative notions to this particular video
Apr 14 22:21:36 <BCMM_> maybe with a 600mhz processor and an SSD that isn't so
Apr 14 22:21:57 <SpeedEvil> BCMM_: quite fast disk - it goes at 13M/s read or so
Apr 14 22:22:02 <BCMM_> i don't mind it, i just don't want it making any noises till i've had a chance to mute it
Apr 14 22:22:29 <BCMM_> so the machine definitely isn't waiting for the video then?
Apr 14 22:22:42 <DocScrutinizer> nope, probably not
Apr 14 22:22:52 <BCMM_> i presumed not
Apr 14 22:22:55 <BCMM_> hmm
Apr 14 22:22:57 <n900-dk> BCMM_: you can disable the video
Apr 14 22:23:03 <BCMM_> n900-dk: how?
Apr 14 22:23:22 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless it's taking up time to setup the DSP for playback, and it's ugly and eats battery XP
Apr 14 22:23:34 <BCMM_> at some point i might make a copy of the hands video and strip out the sound
Apr 14 22:24:13 <DocScrutinizer> make a 'DONT PANIC' video :-D
Apr 14 22:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> in big friendly letters
Apr 14 22:24:54 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: that is a very brilliant idea
Apr 14 22:25:15 <BCMM_> i wonder if there is a lower frame-rate limit on that video
Apr 14 22:25:26 <DocScrutinizer> I know ;-P They appreciated it for OM Freerunner
Apr 14 22:25:47 <BCMM_> or whether i could just have a tiny video consisting of two identical "don't panic" frames at 0.2fps
Apr 14 22:25:57 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: eh?
Apr 14 22:26:38 <DocScrutinizer> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash/dont-panic.splash
Apr 14 22:27:06 <DocScrutinizer> occasionally I recycle my own ideas XP
Apr 14 22:28:37 <n900-dk> BCMM_: The app Powatool will do it for you
Apr 14 22:29:29 <DocScrutinizer> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash/readme
Apr 14 22:35:44 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: (framerate) anyway for a static content the diff-frames are next to 0, so framerate doesn't matter so much
Apr 14 22:37:05 <BCMM_> hmm just ned to make it landscape
Apr 14 22:37:09 <DocScrutinizer> heh, evacuate Finland, Volacno attack ;-P
Apr 14 22:37:14 <BCMM_> how did you do that glowing effect?
Apr 14 22:37:29 <DocScrutinizer> the artwork has been done by dos1
Apr 14 22:37:42 <DocScrutinizer> /join #openmoko-cdevel and ping him
Apr 14 22:38:12 <BCMM_> hmm
Apr 14 22:38:21 <BCMM_> i'm trying to find a scan of the book cover
Apr 14 22:38:33 <BCMM_> i'm sure there was an edition that actually had big friendly letters
Apr 14 22:38:39 <BCMM_> maybe on the back
Apr 14 22:38:54 <BCMM_> i don't know which book
Apr 14 22:38:58 <DocScrutinizer> actually the png is much better than the book cover (YMMV)
Apr 14 22:39:33 <BCMM_> the one i'm thinking of had kinda rounded multicoloured ones i think
Apr 14 22:41:55 <BCMM_> what is the n900 screen res again?
Apr 14 22:42:52 <till-> 800x480
Apr 14 22:43:35 <lbt> what's that calendar/PIM suite for Maemo called?
Apr 14 22:44:14 <lbt> nm  GPE...
Apr 14 22:49:55 <ptl> BCMM_: 800x480, 16 bits color depth
Apr 14 22:49:56 <Myrtti> I wouldn't mind if they'd kill the music, it is so much harder to overhear interesting discussions now
Apr 14 22:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUwlSwifHw&feature=related 0:45  ..  1:50!!
Apr 14 22:51:57 <Myrtti> I have a feeling I've seen this talk before
Apr 14 22:53:19 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: HTH. :-) Don't forget to give proper credit (to me for the idea ;-P)
Apr 14 23:00:48 <odin_> Hmm OVI store app on E72 is really broken for me, we thought Maemo was bad but
Apr 14 23:01:55 <ShadowJK> :)
Apr 14 23:02:50 <jd4200> Am I able to change the user name (on my n900) so when I load x-term it does something other than user (any harm in doing so?)
Apr 14 23:02:57 <jd4200> **shows
Apr 14 23:03:21 <odin_> yeah maybe thats somethign to lodge a "personalization" process of renaming the "user" account
Apr 14 23:03:34 <DocScrutinizer> noooo dont!!
Apr 14 23:03:36 <odin_> but sure you can setup another user, but I don't think renaming it would be wise
Apr 14 23:03:47 <DocScrutinizer> user is hardcoded to several apps
Apr 14 23:03:58 <odin_> several "broken" apps !
Apr 14 23:04:06 <jd4200> DocScrutinizer: Ah, that could be why my N900 failed to boot and I had to do a reflash
Apr 14 23:04:17 <DocScrutinizer> the right way would be to 'adduser', the 'su -l newusername'
Apr 14 23:04:30 <odin_> well adduser is not good either
Apr 14 23:04:34 <jd4200> How about changing the root password, anyharm in doing so with that?
Apr 14 23:04:53 <DocScrutinizer> no, perfectly safe
Apr 14 23:04:54 <odin_> it should be an advanced personalization matter
Apr 14 23:05:55 <odin_> if apps want to hardcode something, then sure hardcode the userid number and do a lookup
Apr 14 23:06:04 <GAN900> I could watch that air traffic animation all day.
Apr 14 23:06:11 <DocScrutinizer> odin_: yesyesyes
Apr 14 23:06:18 <DocScrutinizer> tell to Nokia
Apr 14 23:06:25 <Myrtti> me too
Apr 14 23:06:29 <SpeedEvil> I want multiple accounts too.
Apr 14 23:06:43 <MohammadAG> I only want root (muhahahaha)
Apr 14 23:06:58 <DocScrutinizer> I want xdm
Apr 14 23:07:01 <SpeedEvil> So I can give a friend my n900 to play games on without them seeing my plans for world dominoation.
Apr 14 23:07:15 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: exactly
Apr 14 23:07:58 <jd4200> One other thing, is there a way for when I load x-term is uses bash as the shell? (I miss my .bashrc :( )
Apr 14 23:08:07 * MohammadAG hates how wildcards don't work with killall
Apr 14 23:08:11 <MohammadAG> I wanted to killall *
Apr 14 23:08:15 <SpeedEvil> kill 1
Apr 14 23:08:19 <SpeedEvil> kill -9 1
Apr 14 23:08:20 <odin_> yeah... like profiles for different times of day.... one profile for when you are with the mistress... and another for the wife....
Apr 14 23:08:57 <MohammadAG>     1 root      1620 S    /sbin/init
Apr 14 23:09:02 * MohammadAG likes that
Apr 14 23:09:12 <odin_> complete with their own galleries/contact-lists etc...
Apr 14 23:09:15 <MohammadAG> it doesn't die lol
Apr 14 23:09:26 <odin_> infact useful for when you have two wives....
Apr 14 23:09:54 <MohammadAG> odin_, or three!
Apr 14 23:10:10 <odin_> why yes... you have a whole 32bit user-id space to work through !
Apr 14 23:11:05 <SpeedEvil> That's about to fail soon.
Apr 14 23:11:13 <SpeedEvil> More than 4 billion females on planet.
Apr 14 23:18:01 <radic_> someone the woh wahnt the endsieg
Apr 14 23:18:02 <radic_> ?
Apr 14 23:19:44 <odin_> OVI store is a joke
Apr 14 23:19:57 <DocScrutinizer> hmmpf, I fail to find sizeof(uid_t)
Apr 14 23:20:42 <odin_> its taken me 5 goes to get E72 logged in I browse, pick something, them asked to login again to download
Apr 14 23:20:46 <odin_> now it doesn't accept my details
Apr 14 23:20:47 <DocScrutinizer> regarding the fact even process ID is 0..2^15
Apr 14 23:21:15 <DocScrutinizer> i dont think uid has a 32bit
Apr 14 23:21:28 <odin_> the nagivation is all wonky, the text input cursor does not follow the highlighted focus part
Apr 14 23:21:36 <odin_> yes there are 32bit UIDs
Apr 14 23:23:00 <GAN900> Preventing community
Apr 14 23:23:04 <GAN900> load the stream!
Apr 14 23:23:16 <DocScrutinizer> huh?
Apr 14 23:23:23 <GAN900> good talk
Apr 14 23:23:27 <odin_> maybe not veyr relevant to Maemo but Kernel has CONFIG_UID16 option to disable 32bit UIDs
Apr 14 23:24:16 <DocScrutinizer> odin_: I'd be surprised this isn't set for maemo
Apr 14 23:24:42 <Treibholz> yeah! I just imported the first calendars via CalDAV! :-)
Apr 14 23:24:53 <odin_> even 64bit IA32 Fedora has 16bit UIDs, its just an option that is possible with Linux
Apr 14 23:25:45 <DocScrutinizer> so what's been wrong with >>[2010-04-15 01:21:14] <DocScrutinizer> i dont think uid has a 32bit<< then?
Apr 14 23:25:46 <GAN900> community growth causes global warming
Apr 14 23:26:13 <DocScrutinizer> fine! much too frosty here
Apr 14 23:26:23 <odin_> well 32bit is the maximum, if you want 32bit UIDs you just recompile
Apr 14 23:26:48 <odin_> (the kernel) all the userspace syscalls are already 32bit wide, that pain is over
Apr 14 23:26:56 <DocScrutinizer> so what? I never said I want 32bit UID
Apr 14 23:27:45 <odin_> no you claimed "i dont think uid has a 32bit" and that is untrue.... "yes it is POSSIBLE to have a 32bit uid" its more a configuration preference than anything major
Apr 14 23:28:09 <DocScrutinizer> my point was more like "you can't have users for >32k women on N900"
Apr 14 23:28:19 <odin_> I never commented on the matter of "what you want" or "your needs" just on your claim
Apr 14 23:29:02 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, you make me wonder if I'm starting to brainfail, or it's just you
Apr 14 23:29:08 * odin_ takes a look at N900 p0rn collection ....
Apr 14 23:29:16 * odin_ thinks there are more than 32k women there....
Apr 14 23:29:18 * odin_ scratches head
Apr 14 23:30:24 * odin_ hopes for 48Gb of eMMC in the next one ... grins
Apr 14 23:30:58 * SpeedEvil hopes for 0GB of eMMC in the next one.
Apr 14 23:31:09 <SpeedEvil> (and a second SD slot)
Apr 14 23:31:51 <odin_> yeah I'd be all for all storage to be replaceable like that scheme, but I'm not for using OneNAND as rootfs
Apr 14 23:32:10 <odin_> OneNAND for journal/2nd-level-buffer-cache with rootfs on MMC
Apr 14 23:33:42 <odin_> also swap-cache, make it a storage/IO resource and find a way to make it take all the write hit and provide faster reads for the data you really want to get at fast, but not for tiny rootfs brokeness
Apr 14 23:34:45 <zash> a generetic copy-on-read fs!
Apr 14 23:34:58 <odin_> there is nothing wrong with have block from MMC copied/shadowed into OneNAND for faster access, having the MMC filesystem journal entirely on OneNAND, interfacing the swap file with OneNAND
Apr 14 23:35:37 <odin_> well it also has a high-write-counter property doesn't it ?
Apr 14 23:36:02 * Arkenoi hopes widgets will stop crashing alltogether with PR1.2
Apr 14 23:36:17 <odin_> so thats good for swap and EXT3 journal, there is no need for the EXT3 journal to sync every 30 seconds it can do it one an hour on an idle device, in that time you can eat all the writes
Apr 14 23:36:45 <Arkenoi> the most annoying thing with the crash is that crashed state get saved and you cannot get it all back with simple reboot
Apr 14 23:37:13 <odin_> yeah I've had some widget oddness before now
Apr 14 23:37:40 <odin_> also when you reboot the X11 display should contain a shuting down progress indicator and it should kill the widgets and apps before the X11 server
Apr 14 23:38:39 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: it's highly unlikely though that widget crash is related to OS version directly
Apr 14 23:39:10 <Arkenoi> well, maybe not OS version but desktop gets updated as well
Apr 14 23:40:00 <DocScrutinizer> a crashing widget is a process with a bug. That bug won't probably be fixed after a mere PR1.2 update
Apr 14 23:40:03 <MohammadAG> widget crashes happen here too
Apr 14 23:40:07 <MohammadAG> but not very often
Apr 14 23:40:15 <MohammadAG> maybe once every two months
Apr 14 23:40:35 <MohammadAG> or twice every four months :P
Apr 14 23:40:37 <odin_> yep OVI store wont let me download jack, even through I can sign-in
Apr 14 23:41:19 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, kick yourself, you said PR1.2 :P
Apr 14 23:41:29 <DocScrutinizer> to fix a ceashing widget you prolly want to update the widget, not the OS or display manager
Apr 14 23:42:21 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you'd actually break my expectations when not uttering this comment ;-)
Apr 14 23:42:25 <Arkenoi> crash takes them away by bunches, not by one
Apr 14 23:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> or short: I knew you'd say that
Apr 14 23:42:45 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 14 23:43:08 * MohammadAG does a /cs op :P
Apr 14 23:43:15 <MohammadAG> like it works anyways :p
Apr 14 23:43:37 <Arkenoi> say, after a crash i see that some widgets are vanished: conversation inbox, foreca weather, recorder, ussd, command execution and dataplan monitor. media player and calendar may remain meanwhile.
Apr 14 23:44:04 <MohammadAG> everything about the new macbook pros is excellent... except...
Apr 14 23:44:05 <MohammadAG> $2,199.
Apr 14 23:44:45 <Treibholz> MohammadAG: and the Operating-System.
Apr 14 23:44:59 <MohammadAG> indeed
Apr 14 23:45:25 <MohammadAG> I think we can all say Windows and Mac OS X suck :)
Apr 14 23:45:31 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: so if you actually knew the sequence all the widgets are processed in one thread, you could spot the one that blew chunks and spoiled it for the remaining widgets
Apr 14 23:45:59 <Treibholz> MohammadAG: Linux sucks too, it just sucks less.
Apr 14 23:46:14 <MohammadAG> Treibholz, err..
Apr 14 23:46:21 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: it's either the last one that made it on the screen, or the first one missing
Apr 14 23:47:22 <Arkenoi> well, how can i know the order?
Apr 14 23:47:28 <godrik> MohammadAG ++
Apr 14 23:47:33 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, good question
Apr 14 23:48:03 * Arkenoi does not like Apple LCD displays
Apr 14 23:48:07 <Arkenoi> low DPI
Apr 14 23:48:53 <Arkenoi> and touchpads
Apr 14 23:49:16 <Arkenoi> actually i do not like touchpads at all, ibm/hp clitoris is much better
Apr 14 23:49:35 <MohammadAG> err
Apr 14 23:49:40 <MohammadAG> you sure about that word?
Apr 14 23:49:47 <godrik> Arkenoi: I agree, clitoris are great!
Apr 14 23:50:08 <Arkenoi> well, it is officially named differently but i forgot the word
Apr 14 23:50:12 <Arkenoi> touch-something
Apr 14 23:50:16 * DocScrutinizer cackles
Apr 14 23:50:18 <Arkenoi> or track-something
Apr 14 23:50:33 <DocScrutinizer> G-point
Apr 14 23:50:45 <MohammadAG> LOL
Apr 14 23:51:27 * MohammadAG wonders what google would call a hotspot service, if they made one
Apr 14 23:51:30 <godrik> Well, it's actually next to G on most keyboards
Apr 14 23:51:44 <MohammadAG> that thing sucks
Apr 14 23:52:14 <MohammadAG> I have 3 input devices alread
Apr 14 23:52:15 <MohammadAG> y
Apr 14 23:52:25 <MohammadAG> a G point would just make them 4
Apr 14 23:52:27 <Arkenoi> well, the screen issue does matter more for me. i want decent resolution and dpi, which means 1900x1200 for 15"
Apr 14 23:52:51 <MohammadAG> my screen is 1024x768
Apr 14 23:52:53 <MohammadAG> xD
Apr 14 23:53:09 * satmd would call his gf a 'device'
Apr 14 23:53:13 <satmd> +not
Apr 14 23:53:27 * Arkenoi lol
Apr 14 23:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> some blog about fitt's outlaw called trackpoint a torture instrument
Apr 14 23:53:45 <godrik> satmd: depend whether she is robotic or not :)
Apr 14 23:54:02 * satmd doesn't even call his bot chii like that
Apr 14 23:54:18 * MohammadAG wants an N810
Apr 14 23:55:08 <DocScrutinizer> bots are frequently female it seems
Apr 14 23:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> ~ignore DocScrutinizer-8
Apr 14 23:55:16 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears.  "La, la, la!  I can't hear you, DocScrutinizer-8!"
Apr 14 23:57:14 <satmd> and they include an off button
Apr 14 23:57:21 <satmd> usually
Apr 15 00:03:24 <lcuk> someone just used mbarcode
Apr 15 00:03:37 <lcuk> to see chris dibona's 2d
Apr 15 00:04:01 <lcuk> (collaboration summit)
Apr 15 00:04:08 * Arkenoi wishes mbarcode and flashlight will block internal camera app from launching someday
Apr 15 00:04:34 <Arkenoi> it is *really* annoying and makes android users laugh
Apr 15 00:04:50 * SpeedEvil wishes flashlight is orthoganol to camera.
Apr 15 00:05:04 <SpeedEvil> With an alternate way to turn it on that does not use v4l
Apr 15 00:05:19 <lcuk> i wish mbarcode just used the recent photos list
Apr 15 00:05:27 <lcuk> so use the normal camera app and all its niceness
Apr 15 00:05:40 <lcuk> flashlight should be in the camera app itself
Apr 15 00:06:20 <Arkenoi> virtual "share" plugin that will look for barcodes?
Apr 15 00:19:33 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (alt. way for LED) sysfs node - once more
Apr 15 00:22:20 <DocScrutinizer> ad for flashlight to be a part of cam-app I think those LEDs as much related to the camera as the uSD slot is
Apr 15 00:22:59 <GAN900> Wow
Apr 15 00:23:03 <GAN900> free Nexus One
Apr 15 00:23:16 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. two distincr subsystems just incidentally cooperating on particular tasks
Apr 15 00:23:16 <GAN900> Will it Blend?!
Apr 15 00:24:48 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Apr 15 00:27:53 <DocScrutinizer> (flashlight/torch a subfunction of cam-app) in fact it's highly undesirable to crank up the powerhog camchip just for a torch function
Apr 15 00:29:38 <ShadowJK> I guess you need to look in the driver whether cam chip gets powered up?
Apr 15 00:30:01 <DocScrutinizer> if torch was a reasonable subfunction of camera, then audio recorder was as well. And we end in iPhone madness
Apr 15 00:31:13 <ShadowJK> Speaking of madness, the "no portable software, please" ban amuses me
Apr 15 00:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: I dunno for the driver, but I know the flashlight LEDs have a dedicated controller chip unrelated to the cam chip. So they're no different to e.g. LCD backlight or indicator & kbd light
Apr 15 00:32:12 <ShadowJK> yeah
Apr 15 00:33:02 <DocScrutinizer> and they deserve a decent *../leds/flashlight/* set of sysfs nodes
Apr 15 00:34:15 <DocScrutinizer> (ban) err, what's the issue? iPhone? never heard of
Apr 15 00:34:23 <DocScrutinizer> (the ban)
Apr 15 00:35:20 <ShadowJK> basically 3d engines, portability libraries and stuff like that are banned now
Apr 15 00:36:28 <odin_> I have no idea what goes on in iPhone world
Apr 15 00:36:41 <odin_> who is banning via what punishment?
Apr 15 00:36:43 <ShadowJK> Apps must be native iphone apps written solely for iphone, no "adaptation layers"
Apr 15 00:37:05 <odin_> ah that 'ol route to world domination
Apr 15 00:37:24 <nez> I for one welcome our new overlords
Apr 15 00:37:42 <odin_> yes they can inherit their hell
Apr 15 00:38:19 <lcuk> how come they just let a browser through which runs javascript (however limited) and renders html
Apr 15 00:38:33 <lcuk> thats an adoption layer
Apr 15 00:38:45 <nez> opera mini runs the javascript on the remote server?
Apr 15 00:39:11 <ShadowJK> did they let through opera mini?
Apr 15 00:39:25 <nez> yes
Apr 15 00:39:46 <nez> ShadowJK: you're referring to apple, correct?
Apr 15 00:39:51 <ShadowJK> yeah
Apr 15 00:39:53 <nez> mhmm
Apr 15 00:40:06 <nez> it's currently the #1 app in the store right now
Apr 15 00:40:23 <nez> ...and to think my good old N800 had Opera on it
Apr 15 00:40:31 <ShadowJK> that's another thing I guess, ad-hoc enforcement of their own rules, and making up new ones on the fly and only applying them to specific apps :)
Apr 15 00:42:13 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise you would lose respect and fear of the overloards
Apr 15 00:43:13 <DocScrutinizer> keep acting unpredictable, otherwise others will predict what you do and you lose your advantage
Apr 15 00:44:56 <DocScrutinizer> especially I seem to remember browsers were one of the application classes explicitly prohibited for appstore
Apr 15 01:09:46 <MaceG1> Weird
Apr 15 01:31:34 <opdf2> they need to let adobe in
Apr 15 01:56:03 <bjv> How do you set the tablets X key repeat delay?
Apr 15 01:56:27 <bjv> VNC is sucking, and i bet repeat delay is set to like 250ms
Apr 15 02:01:26 <bjv> hm,  xset770 is apparently a thing
Apr 15 02:04:46 <bjv> i dont want to set ~individual keys for no-repeat though..
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