**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 17 02:59:56 2010
Apr 17 03:05:14 <pupnik> yes
Apr 17 04:06:43 <crashanddie> somehow, I believe some people need to actually read what they send to print http://www.amazon.com/Cooking-Pooh-Cookie-Cutters-Adventures/dp/1570822611
Apr 17 04:07:54 <crashanddie> the comments on that page are excellent though
Apr 17 04:08:30 <crashanddie> Page 6, "Two tigers one cup" ???
Apr 17 04:09:05 <crashanddie> http://www.amazon.com/Daddy-Didnt-Albert-Whitman-Prairie/dp/0807535265 lmao
Apr 17 04:13:07 <crashanddie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l641JZwsQVU
Apr 17 04:17:10 <Corsac> mpf, angry birds is still at 1.1.0 while 1.2.1 has been released
Apr 17 05:14:44 <LuciusMare> Hi, I have several questions related to the easy debian chroot. First, it seems that I did something with the sudoers - 'debbie' asks me for password. How to fix it?
Apr 17 05:19:58 <dotblank> well I think Ive done something useless
Apr 17 05:20:21 <dotblank> compiled a starcraft battlenet server for the n900
Apr 17 05:20:37 <dotblank> Now my phone is a mobile tournament server
Apr 17 05:21:40 <LuciusMare> dotblank: oo
Apr 17 05:22:00 <LuciusMare> that might be useless, but awesome
Apr 17 05:22:44 <dotblank> now I all I need to do is make a script arp poison intercept DNS requests and redirect useast.battle.net to my phones IP address
Apr 17 05:22:57 <crazyhorses> im confused, im trying to install a package in apt-get ... but it keeps reminding me of another package i tried to install using dpkg .. how can i clear it?
Apr 17 05:22:58 <dotblank> simple right?
Apr 17 05:23:35 <LuciusMare> dotblank: what about the wifi?
Apr 17 05:23:39 <dotblank> you may be able to force the install
Apr 17 05:23:52 <dotblank> LuciusMare, well performance on wifi will be slow
Apr 17 05:23:53 <LuciusMare> You would need to duct tape the phone to the antenne to get a reasonable speed
Apr 17 05:24:07 <dotblank> better Idea
Apr 17 05:24:20 <dotblank> create an AP called starcraft
Apr 17 05:24:34 <dotblank> have people connect to it
Apr 17 05:24:44 <dotblank> ah but is wifi fast enough
Apr 17 05:25:19 <LuciusMare> Then my router is composed of spare parts
Apr 17 05:26:17 <dotblank> The best solution would be to host a webserver that has a php script to automatically generate a .reg file that changes the bnet gateways to that of the phone
Apr 17 05:26:37 <dotblank> now is php ported?
Apr 17 05:27:29 <dotblank> or is the apache compilied for the n900 have mod_python/
Apr 17 05:29:05 <LuciusMare> but wit a minute, I thought starcraft is closed source and win only...
Apr 17 05:29:14 <LuciusMare> s/wit/wait/
Apr 17 05:29:44 <nfermat> what i can do to swap mmcblk0 for mmcblk1 ? udev rules?
Apr 17 05:30:12 <dotblank> well there is a open source bnet clone that is compatible with blizzards sc2
Apr 17 05:30:18 <dotblank> sc1*
Apr 17 05:30:32 <LuciusMare> oo, cool
Apr 17 05:30:44 <LuciusMare> but only the server, right?
Apr 17 05:30:53 <dotblank> its also a warcraft III and diablo server
Apr 17 05:30:56 <dotblank> yes
Apr 17 05:31:20 <LuciusMare> :(
Apr 17 05:31:55 <dotblank> whats cool is you can make an app control the bnet server and create ladders or brackets for an event from your phone
Apr 17 05:32:56 <dotblank> you could also make it watch the progress of games... then if you wanted to get really really fancy
Apr 17 05:33:35 <dotblank> you could load the sc1 client with replay stream client and then send it to a headless windows VM with a vnc server and it would allow you to "watch" matches in realtime from your phone
Apr 17 05:34:11 <LuciusMare> *dumb smile*
Apr 17 05:34:22 <LuciusMare> replay stream client?
Apr 17 05:34:52 <dotblank> yea ICCup has a launcher that will enable realtime streaming of matches
Apr 17 05:35:04 <dotblank> native to the games replay format
Apr 17 05:35:51 <LuciusMare> by the way, when we're on virtual machines...
Apr 17 05:37:03 <LuciusMare> I had this warm feeling when I ran kvm on my n900, ran a little linux in it, and connected to it from my friends house with vnc
Apr 17 05:37:26 <LuciusMare> ^^
Apr 17 05:37:31 <dotblank> you ran KVM on the n900
Apr 17 05:37:42 <LuciusMare> hurr
Apr 17 05:37:49 <dotblank> I don't think the n900 has hardware extensions for VMs or is it software
Apr 17 05:37:56 <Ebzzry> Hi! Is there at least an R5RS Scheme for Maemo 5?
Apr 17 05:38:49 <LuciusMare> Or was it the easy debian chroot? I am not sure, I was kinda playing with both things at once
Apr 17 05:39:06 <dotblank> sounds like a debian arm chroot
Apr 17 05:39:23 <LuciusMare> Probably yes
Apr 17 05:52:05 <luke-jr> OpenVZ should work on ARM :P
Apr 17 05:58:31 <dotblank> has marble been releasde for the n900?
Apr 17 06:01:10 <dotblank> i love it when an unmodified project says "Building with Maemo GPS support"
Apr 17 06:05:05 <kirma> dotblank: cortex a8 has hypervisor stuff, I don't really remember the name for it though
Apr 17 06:05:22 <kirma> not in use with n900 I bet...
Apr 17 06:06:38 <kirma> trustzone
Apr 17 06:06:58 <dotblank> so im 60% into building marble... no errors yet
Apr 17 06:07:55 <luke-jr> kirma: hypervisor doesn't need hardware stuff
Apr 17 06:09:21 <kirma> oh well, technically it can live without it
Apr 17 06:23:06 <LuciusMare> Hi, can i trigger the auto-focus,whit balance... from shell?
Apr 17 06:29:53 <Gh0sty> LuciusMare: you have the same impression like me?
Apr 17 06:30:00 <Gh0sty> that pictures are too bright ?
Apr 17 06:33:37 <RST38h> http://s06.radikal.ru/i179/1004/22/e9dbd14be59f.jpg
Apr 17 06:40:06 <LuciusMare> Gh0sty: sorta, actually, I made it take a photograph every x seconds, and since it starts at night, and day gets brighter, soon there is nothing but white area instead of the photo
Apr 17 06:57:19 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: you don't want AWB for timelapse
Apr 17 06:57:52 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: AWB will absolutely ruin your timeline -- nothing will make sense
Apr 17 06:57:56 <Treibholz> hast anybody ever watched a video with zoutube?
Apr 17 06:58:22 <Treibholz> doesn't work here. I only see the throbber, when I click on a video.
Apr 17 06:59:38 <dotblank> hmm I just made a package I was wondering how to optify it
Apr 17 07:00:03 <dotblank> maemo-optify-deb doesn't exist in my sratch box
Apr 17 07:00:05 <LuciusMare> crashanddie: why so?
Apr 17 07:00:21 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: hang on, give me 5 minutes and I'll digg up a video that demonstrates this
Apr 17 07:00:41 <LuciusMare> crashanddie: i am not talking about 5 second intervals, i mean something around 10 minutes
Apr 17 07:00:50 <crashanddie> yeah, doesn't matter
Apr 17 07:01:07 <LuciusMare> but okay, so how to solve it?
Apr 17 07:01:27 <LuciusMare> If i auto at day, i'll see nothing at night and vice versa...
Apr 17 07:01:28 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: I have quite a lot of experience with time lapse, I build my rigs to move the camera and take pictures at specific intervals
Apr 17 07:01:57 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: well, AWB changes the "white balance"
Apr 17 07:02:15 <crashanddie> but your white balance doesn't really change, because you're not going from inside to outside, etc
Apr 17 07:02:36 <crashanddie> (white balance defines how "white" the light is, it doesn't define exposure or anything)
Apr 17 07:03:07 <Macer> hello
Apr 17 07:03:17 <crashanddie> the only thing you should be modifying the exposure and ISO setting, preferably manually, or scripted, auto is bad
Apr 17 07:03:20 <crashanddie> hey Macer
Apr 17 07:03:41 <Macer> hi
Apr 17 07:03:58 <Macer> another glorious night. any word on the n910 yet?
Apr 17 07:04:44 <LuciusMare> hm, right.
Apr 17 07:04:46 <RST38h> Yes, it will run WebOS =)
Apr 17 07:04:47 <LuciusMare> Thank you
Apr 17 07:04:49 * RST38h hides
Apr 17 07:04:55 <Macer> RST38h: hahhaa
Apr 17 07:05:05 <Macer> is webos any good?
Apr 17 07:05:42 <Macer> i still cant believe they chose that name.. like it is 1992 or something
Apr 17 07:07:42 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: there's multiple techniques used to cheat the exposure -- some will use two cameras, very close to each other, one setup for night, the other for day, some will make two passes with the same camera, completely manual, once for night, and once for day, and then just blend both sources in post-prod
Apr 17 07:10:50 <Corsac> yeah, usually decent cameras have bracketing habilities
Apr 17 07:12:41 <crashanddie> Corsac: bracketing is useless for timelapse
Apr 17 07:18:27 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: I'm guessing you'd like to achieve something like this: http://vimeo.com/3292216 ? The problem with that is that well... It's "shaky" because of the auto-exposure
Apr 17 07:19:29 <inkbottle> There is no plan for a faster CPU?
Apr 17 07:20:28 <BCMM> i mistakenly tried to connect to a wireless network (presumably ad-hoc) on a train from my n900
Apr 17 07:20:39 <BCMM> now it always shows on the list of possible network connections
Apr 17 07:20:49 <BCMM> can i make it forget about it?
Apr 17 07:21:18 <dotblank> is libqt4-webkit not optified
Apr 17 07:22:07 <crashanddie> BCMM: delete it in the network dialog
Apr 17 07:22:50 <BCMM> thanks
Apr 17 07:23:24 <BCMM> oh hadn't looked at that before
Apr 17 07:23:46 <BCMM> presumably that lets you create an ad-hoc or use a hidden network
Apr 17 07:26:00 <dotblank> Ugh
Apr 17 07:26:18 <dotblank> can't install libqt4-webkit.... it uses too much on rootfs
Apr 17 07:26:22 <dotblank> GAH!
Apr 17 07:31:28 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: Here is a good example of what can be achieved by correctly choosing the exposure: http://vimeo.com/10010904
Apr 17 07:31:46 <crashanddie> LuciusMare: btw, if you want to get serious about timelapsing, may I suggest a real camera?
Apr 17 07:58:55 <BCMM> can one import an email address book for use with the built-in email?
Apr 17 08:09:33 <dotblank> awesome
Apr 17 08:13:58 <crashanddie> dotblank: hmm?
Apr 17 08:14:14 <crashanddie> BCMM: sure, you can import gmail contacts for example
Apr 17 08:14:25 <BCMM> crashanddie: thanks
Apr 17 08:14:33 <BCMM> already found the option to import vcards
Apr 17 08:16:05 <dotblank> crashanddie, oh just built a package for PVPgn on arm
Apr 17 08:16:31 <dotblank> now I have a battle.net server on my n900
Apr 17 08:18:35 <korhojoa> :D
Apr 17 08:18:43 <korhojoa> "anyone wanna play some diablo?"
Apr 17 08:25:30 <lcuk> mornin maemo \o
Apr 17 08:39:11 <MaceG1> I don't think I can take it anymore
Apr 17 08:39:21 <MaceG1> I am getting an n900 tomorrow morn
Apr 17 08:39:26 <MaceG1> Ordering one at least
Apr 17 08:39:27 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 17 08:39:34 <MaceG1> :)
Apr 17 08:39:44 <Chiku> I don't think I can take it anymore too
Apr 17 08:39:53 <Chiku> I wil not wait PR1.2
Apr 17 08:39:53 <MaceG1> I was holding back until the bugs were ironed out
Apr 17 08:40:02 <Chiku> and reflash with PR1.1
Apr 17 08:40:04 <MaceG1> PR1.2?
Apr 17 08:40:42 <MaceG1> If they had named it the n900 eXtreme
Apr 17 08:40:52 <MaceG1> I would have bought it when it was released
Apr 17 08:41:30 <MaceG1> bad marketing decision by nokia. Everybody knows a capital X is needed for cool things to buy
Apr 17 08:41:40 <MaceG1> Like... n900X
Apr 17 08:42:18 <MaceG1> Sts.. I was honestly holding out hope that mer would be just like maemo5 on my n810
Apr 17 08:42:21 <MaceG1> ;-)
Apr 17 08:42:35 <MaceG1> With gles support and all hehe
Apr 17 08:42:39 <Stskeeps> mm
Apr 17 08:43:25 <MaceG1> But now the n810 is ancient and has a layer of dust I can use to weave a quilt with
Apr 17 08:43:43 <MaceG1> I should hook it up to a stereo as an mp3 player
Apr 17 08:43:53 <MaceG1> Or ogg!
Apr 17 08:45:00 <frals> morning everyone o/
Apr 17 08:50:27 <lcuk> mornin frals \o\
Apr 17 08:52:03 <RST38h> ah, live lcuk!
Apr 17 08:52:32 * lcuk is a recording
Apr 17 08:52:51 * frals erases lcuk
Apr 17 08:54:32 <lcuk> again!
Apr 17 08:54:57 <lcuk> frals, your outlook2010 problem is fail
Apr 17 08:55:05 <frals> yes, it sucks
Apr 17 08:55:28 <RST38h> Normal people do not use Outlook.
Apr 17 08:55:37 <MaceG1> Haha
Apr 17 08:55:42 <RST38h> They use PINE! =)
Apr 17 08:55:47 <RST38h> [and PICO of course]
Apr 17 08:55:53 <frals> haha
Apr 17 08:56:05 <MaceG1> I was with you until the pico part
Apr 17 08:56:09 <sECuRE> if anyone really uses a commandline mail client, try sup.rubyforge.org
Apr 17 08:56:17 <MaceG1> Pine + vi
Apr 17 08:56:20 <sECuRE> i switched to it from mutt und it really is so much better
Apr 17 08:56:20 <lcuk> hardcore users read mail via telnet
Apr 17 08:56:38 <petteri> alpine seems to be the new pine
Apr 17 08:56:57 <MaceG1> lcuk: over 300 baud modems on terminals
Apr 17 08:57:34 <MaceG1> Like wargames where the "password" is joshua and you just need to put that in at the login prompt
Apr 17 08:57:48 <lcuk> MaceG1, sadists use a regular phone and whistle the modem signals
Apr 17 08:58:00 <MaceG1> Holy shit
Apr 17 08:58:05 <MaceG1> You win :)
Apr 17 08:58:06 <MaceG1> Hahahahaha
Apr 17 08:58:19 <MaceG1> That's extreme
Apr 17 08:58:27 <MaceG1> Capital X
Apr 17 08:58:48 <nid0> i regularly read mail via a shell :<
Apr 17 08:59:01 <lcuk> i normally listen to the sea with a shell
Apr 17 08:59:58 <MaceG1> Lcuk: that is the quote of the year. You made me giggle like a school girl with that one
Apr 17 09:00:46 <lcuk> :D
Apr 17 09:02:00 <dotblank> Gah I need an expert in optification
Apr 17 09:02:17 <frals> mornin Noobmonk3y
Apr 17 09:02:44 <Noobmonk3y> i need a big fat fryup!
Apr 17 09:02:50 <Noobmonk3y> mooooooooaning
Apr 17 09:02:57 <nid0> thatd be lovely about now
Apr 17 09:03:00 <nid0> got no bacon tho
Apr 17 09:03:03 <nid0> or eggs :(
Apr 17 09:03:24 <Noobmonk3y> i just sent the missus to the kitchen, wohooooo
Apr 17 09:03:34 <nid0> mine's still in bed, lazy cow
Apr 17 09:03:52 <lcuk> Noobmonk3y, ask her to make me some too please
Apr 17 09:04:05 <lcuk> nid0, im still in bed
Apr 17 09:04:18 <nid0> shes still in bed + asleep*
Apr 17 09:04:19 <Noobmonk3y> lol!
Apr 17 09:04:36 <lcuk> how do you know im not
Apr 17 09:05:05 <nid0> i've seen sleep typists in my time but never one that can actually respond to people
Apr 17 09:05:40 <lcuk> sleep typists usually use nose as a spare finger
Apr 17 09:05:51 <lcuk> and wake up with letter impressions on forehead
Apr 17 09:05:59 <Noobmonk3y> oooo yay laureus sports awards on tv....
Apr 17 09:06:03 <MaceG1> Hm. I should try this windows.kde.org thing
Apr 17 09:06:25 <MaceG1> Speaking of which. How is the opensolaris kde project going?
Apr 17 09:06:55 <MaceG1> Say what you want about kde but I like it :)
Apr 17 09:07:35 <nid0> bummer, flights restricted for longer
Apr 17 09:07:45 <nid0> my sister's boyfriend was meant to be flying home today
Apr 17 09:08:08 <MaceG1> Flights restricted?
Apr 17 09:08:17 <MaceG1> Is he flying in from iran?
Apr 17 09:08:19 <lcuk> yeah iceland farted
Apr 17 09:08:34 <MaceG1> Another quake?
Apr 17 09:08:36 <lcuk> MaceG1, you havent heard about the massive ash cloud
Apr 17 09:08:42 <nid0> MaceG1 no, volcano in iceland on like thursday has shutdown air travel over most of europe
Apr 17 09:08:47 <nid0> its been like
Apr 17 09:08:51 <nid0> headline news, everywhere
Apr 17 09:08:52 <nid0> for days
Apr 17 09:08:54 <MaceG1> Whoa
Apr 17 09:08:55 <lcuk> from big volcano, wiping out air traffic over lots of europe for the last few days?
Apr 17 09:09:05 <MaceG1> I don't watch tv ;)
Apr 17 09:09:07 <lcuk> cave dweller?
Apr 17 09:09:08 <MaceG1> Wow
Apr 17 09:09:12 <MaceG1> Sounds serious
Apr 17 09:09:19 <lcuk> tis
Apr 17 09:09:26 <MaceG1> No. Just don't usually watch tv
Apr 17 09:09:28 <Terje_> nid0, I bet that gave some ideas to Pentagon about warfare.
Apr 17 09:09:55 <MaceG1> Wow. Guess I should go to propaganda.com and check it out
Apr 17 09:10:05 <lcuk> just open any news site
Apr 17 09:10:07 <MaceG1> It's like the beginning of 2012 ;)
Apr 17 09:10:19 <lcuk> its only a volcano
Apr 17 09:10:58 <Noobmonk3y> lol! jensons button owon best breakthrough in sport, genius.
Apr 17 09:11:15 <lcuk> http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23ashtag
Apr 17 09:12:53 <BCMM> i added the rss applet and i can't get rid of it
Apr 17 09:12:56 * Noobmonk3y blinks
Apr 17 09:13:03 <BCMM> it moves whenever i try
Apr 17 09:13:42 <lcuk> nuke it from orbit?
Apr 17 09:14:07 <lcuk> ive lost my phone
Apr 17 09:14:25 <BCMM> is there some other way to remov it?
Apr 17 09:14:25 <BCMM> (desktop widget, rather)
Apr 17 09:14:27 <Noobmonk3y> which one? :)
Apr 17 09:15:20 <frals> lcuk: something for you then http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50246
Apr 17 09:15:39 <lcuk> BCMM, try using stylus to click accurately on the x
Apr 17 09:15:56 <lcuk> or reboot device to shake out whatever cobweb
Apr 17 09:16:01 <BCMM> lcuk tried that for several minutes
Apr 17 09:16:08 <BCMM> any click makes it move
Apr 17 09:16:16 <lcuk> reboot
Apr 17 09:16:18 <BCMM> even very short ones
Apr 17 09:16:29 <lcuk> ping liq-n00
Apr 17 09:16:35 <BCMM> yeah, i'll do that
Apr 17 09:16:37 * lcuk moves to console
Apr 17 09:16:45 <nid0> hey neat, someone's finally done a recovery app?
Apr 17 09:16:53 <Stskeeps> url?
Apr 17 09:17:00 <nid0> frals just linked it
Apr 17 09:17:06 <frals> Stskeeps http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50246
Apr 17 09:18:00 <Stskeeps> ah, noone picked up on a rescue menu initrd yet
Apr 17 09:18:11 <Stskeeps> meego arm instructions are good for that
Apr 17 09:18:28 <lcuk> that was neat
Apr 17 09:18:37 <lcuk> battery was lowlowlow last night when i went to manchester
Apr 17 09:18:39 <Stskeeps> (tell flasher to boot this kernel with this initrd)
Apr 17 09:18:41 <lcuk> i had radio tx on
Apr 17 09:19:04 <lcuk> and its still alive
Apr 17 09:19:14 <lcuk> left in cold car all night :)
Apr 17 09:19:29 <lcuk> sometime during night it disabled radio tho
Apr 17 09:19:45 <haltdef> surely it would just get nicked in manchester
Apr 17 09:19:46 <haltdef> :<
Apr 17 09:20:01 <lcuk> haltdef, surely not
Apr 17 09:20:02 <lcuk> :)
Apr 17 09:20:29 <lcuk> didnt reconnect to home wifi tho
Apr 17 09:20:40 <lcuk> else i couldv pinged it
Apr 17 09:21:02 <frals> you dont have permanent ssh reverse tunnel up?
Apr 17 09:21:27 <lcuk> no frals the amount of times i use 3g is rare
Apr 17 09:21:37 <lcuk> and i can just vnc into home machine when needed
Apr 17 09:21:46 <crashanddie> o/ lcuk
Apr 17 09:21:58 <lcuk> \o\ seb
Apr 17 09:22:04 <lcuk> /o/
Apr 17 09:22:07 <lcuk> \o/
Apr 17 09:25:20 * noobmonk3y_ punches Noobmonk3y 
Apr 17 09:25:33 * nid0 punches both monkeys
Apr 17 09:25:41 <noobmonk3y_> ;)
Apr 17 09:26:32 <lcuk> i think noobmonk3y is a pretty cool guy.  eh punches ghosties and doesnt afraid of anything...
Apr 17 09:26:42 <noobmonk3y> hehehe tis true ;)
Apr 17 09:26:49 <noobmonk3y> casper aint got nout on me ;)
Apr 17 09:27:38 <lcuk> noob 'Zuul' Monk3y
Apr 17 09:27:50 <noobmonk3y> lol!
Apr 17 09:30:10 * noobmonk3y grumbles
Apr 17 09:30:13 <lcuk> jake is driving everyone nuts with his new gun
Apr 17 09:31:37 <lcuk> BCMM, any luck?
Apr 17 09:31:55 <BCMM> yeah thanks
Apr 17 09:32:44 * lcuk hates the windows fix but it saves so much time in diagnosis :(
Apr 17 09:37:04 <lcuk> slashdot is broke, slashdot is broke omgomg
Apr 17 09:38:59 <spectre-> old news
Apr 17 09:39:00 <spectre-> :p
Apr 17 09:40:16 <Chiku> all -devel repos is broke
Apr 17 09:53:56 <Mece> hey, anyone tested what kind of latency you get with N900 tethering over 3G?
Apr 17 09:54:34 <lcuk> not much
Apr 17 09:54:34 <Stskeeps> i'm not complaining
Apr 17 09:54:42 <lcuk> i find 3g great
Apr 17 09:54:48 <lcuk> 3.5g is even betterer
Apr 17 09:55:40 <haltdef> internet!
Apr 17 09:56:15 <haltdef> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/04/17/3-and-t-mobile-uk-sign-major-3g-mobile-broadband-network-expansion-deal.html mm
Apr 17 09:58:26 <noobmonk3y> has anyone changed the top left icon on the n900 (menu task thingy icon) ?
Apr 17 09:58:40 <crashanddie> yes
Apr 17 09:59:08 <noobmonk3y> ooo.... searched the customise wiki, but there doesnt seem to be any examples of ti? - assuming it is just replacing a file....
Apr 17 09:59:15 <noobmonk3y> it*
Apr 17 09:59:27 <noobmonk3y> has anyone setup a place to download examples? :D
Apr 17 10:03:55 <noobmonk3y> :(
Apr 17 10:14:52 * noobmonk3y thinks it's almost time to get ready for a bbq ;)
Apr 17 10:15:00 <frals> todays annoyance: my operator settings are missing from /etc/operater_settings
Apr 17 10:15:23 <noobmonk3y> frals, you need to go and find them ;)
Apr 17 10:15:36 <noobmonk3y> how much money have you spent testing mms's by the way? must cost a fortune? :|
Apr 17 10:15:48 <nid0> contracts are fun?
Apr 17 10:15:50 <frals> i got free mms on my plan
Apr 17 10:15:52 <frals> :>
Apr 17 10:15:57 <noobmonk3y> ooo wow!
Apr 17 10:15:59 <frals> or well, 3000 free mms within the provider
Apr 17 10:16:01 <nid0> uh
Apr 17 10:16:05 <noobmonk3y> thats cool!
Apr 17 10:16:05 <nid0> doesnt yours noobmonk3y?
Apr 17 10:16:09 <noobmonk3y> lol nid0  no
Apr 17 10:16:16 <nid0> what network are you on..? :s
Apr 17 10:16:19 <frals> and got a prepaid with the same provider for my dev device so im spamming away ;)
Apr 17 10:16:22 <noobmonk3y> i have sent 4 now, at about 15p each :P
Apr 17 10:16:33 <noobmonk3y> nid0, vodafone
Apr 17 10:16:45 <nid0> they must be the only uk network that still charge for mms's
Apr 17 10:16:48 <frals> to other providers it costs me err 0.69 SEK which is like 0.069€
Apr 17 10:16:56 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 17 10:16:58 <nid0> everyone else just takes them from your sms allowance at a cost of 3 sms's per mms
Apr 17 10:17:08 * noobmonk3y is just checking the cost
Apr 17 10:17:10 <nid0> so 1k texts free on contract = 333 mms's free a month
Apr 17 10:18:17 <noobmonk3y> £0.306 	 per message :(
Apr 17 10:18:53 <nid0> sucky
Apr 17 10:19:00 <nid0> switch to a good provider :D
Apr 17 10:19:10 <MohammadAG> like O2 :P
Apr 17 10:19:11 <noobmonk3y> lol really, for a couple of mms's? :P
Apr 17 10:19:31 <nid0> o2're great
Apr 17 10:19:58 <noobmonk3y> i dont like the signal for 02 down here though
Apr 17 10:20:14 <MohammadAG> you live on CO2 then?
Apr 17 10:20:36 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 17 10:28:07 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG, Morning lol
Apr 17 10:28:14 <noobmonk3y> just woken up and realised you are on ;)
Apr 17 10:28:15 <MohammadAG> morning noobmonk3y
Apr 17 10:28:29 <MohammadAG> lol who was saying the stuff above then
Apr 17 10:28:31 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 17 10:30:44 <noobmonk3y> nid0, there is a hrdware mino rrevision number
Apr 17 10:30:52 <noobmonk3y> would have thought nokia would update it if making changes?
Apr 17 10:31:21 <MohammadAG> 2101
Apr 17 10:31:32 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 17 10:31:51 <noobmonk3y> yup, but would assume if they made changes recently a newer version should be seen soon
Apr 17 10:32:38 <nid0> noobmonk3y sometimes, not always
Apr 17 10:33:06 <nid0> well, they may do now but i've seen hardware revisions of previous phone models that never had the revision number altered
Apr 17 10:33:17 <nid0> the guy needs to get the phone and check it to find out, tho :P
Apr 17 10:34:40 <nid0> sadly I cant see any changes to the n900 being retrofittable though :P
Apr 17 10:35:42 <SpeedEvil> you can in principle swap out the CPU
Apr 17 10:35:50 <SpeedEvil> not an end-user one thoguh
Apr 17 10:35:51 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 17 10:36:05 * MohammadAG gets his i5 out of his PC
Apr 17 10:36:12 <frals> ah, autoconfiguration seems to eb working \o/
Apr 17 10:36:17 <nid0> replacing the usb and phone connectors with stronger ones isnt exactly doable though :P
Apr 17 10:36:21 <MohammadAG> hmm, it should fit under the battery
Apr 17 10:36:31 <SpeedEvil> noobmonk3y: I wouldn't expect it to be nesceserraly user-visible changes
Apr 17 10:36:47 <nid0> unlike the e90 hardware revision where you could just drop the original phone into a nokia care point and theyd put on the revised keyboard and hinges for you in about 20 minutes :p
Apr 17 10:37:00 <SpeedEvil> nid0: Changing the glue, or the glue-up procedure on the port however is
Apr 17 10:38:52 <SpeedEvil> noobmonk3y: For example - it might be swapping out the front cam for a cheaper one. Or going with a different SoC, or ...
Apr 17 10:39:10 <SpeedEvil> (where different = different speedgrade or different flash amount)
Apr 17 10:39:39 <nid0> that seems unlikely for a hardware revision of the same model though, usually theyre just tweaks to the manufacturing process to address durability issues
Apr 17 10:39:48 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 17 10:40:01 <SpeedEvil> ....456778888890;;.,,lmllmlmjjijyggffssaw3uop;\.,,,lkjjhjdxzzxhttp://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?LH_AvailTo=3&_nkw=high+voltage+relay&_arm=1&_armm=63&_ruu=http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html%3F_nkw%3Dhigh%2Bvoltage%2Brelay%26_arr%3D1&_rdc=1
Apr 17 10:40:02 <SpeedEvil> oops
Apr 17 10:40:11 <frals> is there any good way to add help text to something gtk/hildon?
Apr 17 10:40:23 <SpeedEvil> nid0: If you can shave off $3 of the price of a phone selling large numbers...
Apr 17 10:41:22 <noobmonk3y> ooooo under 12 hours till healthcheck promotion :D
Apr 17 10:41:54 <crashanddie> best coaster ever: http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bitchcoaster.jpg
Apr 17 10:42:10 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 17 10:42:13 <frals> noobmonk3y: bastard being so close to extras!
Apr 17 10:42:42 <noobmonk3y> lol frals ;)
Apr 17 10:42:44 <PhonicUK> hey all
Apr 17 10:42:47 <noobmonk3y> hey PhonicUK
Apr 17 10:42:57 <PhonicUK> hows it going?
Apr 17 10:43:03 <noobmonk3y> frals,  all it means is i need to get on with a new version ;)
Apr 17 10:44:18 <PhonicUK> anyone know why The Mana World has no menu icon?
Apr 17 10:44:31 <PhonicUK> launches fine from console
Apr 17 10:45:49 <noobmonk3y> right off for a bbq alls - cya laters :D :D
Apr 17 10:47:05 <Hariainm> hi everyone
Apr 17 10:56:20 <crashanddie> I'm tempted to submit a small .deb package to the builder
Apr 17 10:56:27 <crashanddie> called "Maemo5 PR1.2"
Apr 17 10:56:56 <crashanddie> which, when installed, displays goatse
Apr 17 10:57:14 <crashanddie> and use my stopwatch to time the delay before I'm banned for life from any future summit
Apr 17 10:57:30 <zash> crashanddie: do it!
Apr 17 10:58:06 <mva> hi there!
Apr 17 10:58:12 <crashanddie> hey mva
Apr 17 10:58:45 <crashanddie> LMAO
Apr 17 10:58:47 <mva> what about kernel-power-* is it better, that kernel-*-maemo ?
Apr 17 10:59:07 <crashanddie> OK, you're gonna love this one
Apr 17 10:59:21 <mva> and did -power- has IPv6 support?
Apr 17 10:59:25 <crashanddie> Photographer takes another photographer friend with him to a photoshoot
Apr 17 11:00:28 <crashanddie> The guy is looking over his buddy's shoulder, and just as the photographer is taking a picture from behind the female model, at about waist level, he shouts out: "OH WOW DUDE, You're right, that IS SUPER WIDE"
Apr 17 11:00:49 <crashanddie> The model turns around, furious, and walks out of the photoshoot
Apr 17 11:02:49 <frals> lol
Apr 17 11:20:37 <tlir> is OS2008 still the best choice for N810 devices or can/should I move to Maemo5 or the MER project?
Apr 17 11:21:29 <Stskeeps> os2008 plus community ssu
Apr 17 11:22:13 <tlir> ocmmunity ssu?
Apr 17 11:23:31 <tlir> Stskeeps: what is community ssu?
Apr 17 11:23:39 <NuD1t7> slippery slickers unwanted
Apr 17 11:32:57 <crashanddie> tlir: you can't install maemo 5 on n8x0 devices
Apr 17 11:35:03 <jacekowski> mhm
Apr 17 11:35:11 <jacekowski> builder is slowish today
Apr 17 11:35:20 <jacekowski> normally it took 19 minutes to build chrome
Apr 17 11:35:35 <jacekowski> now it's doing it for 23 minutes and it's still not finished
Apr 17 11:36:58 <tlir> crashanddie: ahh ok
Apr 17 11:38:42 <crashanddie> jacekowski: you're not the only one using builder
Apr 17 11:41:44 <mikhas> OMG, you had to wait for 23 minutes? outrageous!
Apr 17 11:42:08 <jacekowski> well it's 30 minutes now
Apr 17 11:42:08 <Noobmonk3y> aghhhhhhhhhhh
Apr 17 11:42:14 * Noobmonk3y is pissed off
Apr 17 11:42:34 <Noobmonk3y> got bloody clamped.... the ticket slid of the dashboard....
Apr 17 11:42:52 <Noobmonk3y> £120 to release :(
Apr 17 11:43:00 <jacekowski> tickets in uk come with sticky thing
Apr 17 11:43:07 <jacekowski> so you stick them to windscreen
Apr 17 11:43:35 <Noobmonk3y> jacekowski, not ours, residents parking, just like a business card
Apr 17 11:44:02 <jacekowski> you can always try to write couple letters
Apr 17 11:44:14 <Noobmonk3y> yup will do :(
Apr 17 11:44:41 <jacekowski> they ussualy let go after you write couple letters
Apr 17 11:45:01 <Noobmonk3y> just dont understand why £120........ parked there for 3 years.....
Apr 17 11:45:21 <jacekowski> ( other thing is thta you can pay over phone )
Apr 17 11:45:44 <jacekowski> and they can check if you are allowed to park without you having to display a ticket
Apr 17 11:46:09 <Noobmonk3y> not when i have no cash......
Apr 17 11:46:25 <jacekowski> that's taking too long
Apr 17 11:46:28 <jacekowski> over 30 minutes
Apr 17 11:46:33 <jacekowski> and normally it takes under 20
Apr 17 11:46:42 <Noobmonk3y> yeah yu woulda thought they would check b4 clamping
Apr 17 11:46:50 <n900-dk> Hmm, why does download of Healthcheck keep failing?
Apr 17 11:47:03 <Noobmonk3y> error msg?
Apr 17 11:47:53 <n900-dk> 'Download of healthcheck failed' when I'm trying to install from HAM
Apr 17 11:48:31 <jacekowski> 36 minutes
Apr 17 11:48:31 <Noobmonk3y> hmmmmm..... MohammadAG, lcuk ? any xterm suggestions?
Apr 17 11:48:48 <MohammadAG> ?
Apr 17 11:48:49 <MohammadAG> oh
Apr 17 11:48:54 <MohammadAG> root
Apr 17 11:49:07 <MohammadAG> apt-get update && apt-get install healthcheck
Apr 17 11:49:18 <frals> whats the version number of pr1.1.1?
Apr 17 11:49:28 <frals> 2010.02-?
Apr 17 11:49:37 <MohammadAG> 3.2010.02-8 I think
Apr 17 11:49:38 <MohammadAG> sec
Apr 17 11:49:42 <Noobmonk3y> yup
Apr 17 11:49:45 <frals> ta
Apr 17 11:51:05 <slonopotamus> anyone has autoconf knowledge?
Apr 17 11:51:40 <slonopotamus> i want to declare optional dependency
Apr 17 11:52:40 <Noobmonk3y> n900-dk, did you see MohammadAG 's instructions?
Apr 17 11:53:21 <n900-dk> ahh, it looks like it is because it can't resolve downloads.maemo.nokia.com, when on my wifi, but work with 3G
Apr 17 11:53:33 <Noobmonk3y> lol! thats random!
Apr 17 11:53:46 <MohammadAG> n900-dk, change your dns
Apr 17 11:53:49 <Noobmonk3y> which v are you downloading n900-dk ?
Apr 17 11:53:56 <MohammadAG> to either google dns, or openDNS
Apr 17 11:54:09 <n900-dk> I tried that too, still no luck
Apr 17 11:54:14 <MohammadAG> 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 openDNS
Apr 17 11:54:19 <MohammadAG> 8.8.8.8 google dns
Apr 17 11:54:25 <n900-dk> I know :)
Apr 17 11:54:52 <Noobmonk3y> :)
Apr 17 11:55:02 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 17 11:55:09 <MohammadAG> that smiley freaks me out sometimes
Apr 17 11:55:15 <Noobmonk3y> n900-dk, version 1.0 will be in downloads tonight :)
Apr 17 11:55:24 <n900-dk> then version is 1.0.0-0
Apr 17 11:55:28 <Noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 17 11:55:34 <Noobmonk3y> cool :)
Apr 17 11:56:48 <Noobmonk3y> someone somewhere has translated an older version of healthcheck to german, russian, polish and chinese!
Apr 17 11:57:29 <Noobmonk3y> hmmmm did version 1.0 include click updates? loosing track of versions!
Apr 17 11:57:58 <n900-dk> english is fine for me
Apr 17 11:58:03 <Noobmonk3y> :)
Apr 17 11:58:17 <Noobmonk3y> i assume dk =dansk?
Apr 17 11:58:34 <n900-dk> yes
Apr 17 11:58:41 <Noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 17 12:01:11 * MohammadAG hits the subscribe button on tehkseven's youtube channel
Apr 17 12:01:25 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG, what is your app called?
Apr 17 12:01:44 <MohammadAG> which one?
Apr 17 12:01:52 <Noobmonk3y> in testing
Apr 17 12:02:20 <frals> hmm
Apr 17 12:02:31 <frals> time to get some screens together for ux people to hate on i think
Apr 17 12:02:47 <n900-dk> It would be nice to see changelog when updating an app i HAM..
Apr 17 12:02:47 <Noobmonk3y> lol!
Apr 17 12:02:56 <Noobmonk3y> n900-dk, i agree
Apr 17 12:04:05 <n900-dk> now with healthcheck v1.1.0-2 \o/ - thx Noobmonk3y
Apr 17 12:04:22 <Noobmonk3y> haha devel version :)
Apr 17 12:04:32 <Noobmonk3y> think it is safe though :)
Apr 17 12:04:49 <n900-dk> it didn't break my phone... yet ;)
Apr 17 12:04:54 <Gh0sty> lol
Apr 17 12:05:00 <Gh0sty> its like driving a motorcycle
Apr 17 12:05:05 <Gh0sty> you have 2 types of drivers
Apr 17 12:05:08 <Noobmonk3y> hehehe :) lots more goodies though  :)
Apr 17 12:05:16 <Gh0sty> those who have fallen ... and those who are going to fall :p
Apr 17 12:05:23 <Gh0sty> same goes for phone owners? :p
Apr 17 12:05:25 * n900-dk living on the edge
Apr 17 12:05:42 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 17 12:06:00 * Noobmonk3y is dloading Noor
Apr 17 12:06:30 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 17 12:06:36 <MohammadAG> sorry had to go for a bit
Apr 17 12:07:02 <frals> Noobmonk3y: you need an icon for healthcheck in HAM!
Apr 17 12:07:14 <MohammadAG> he has one o.O
Apr 17 12:07:17 <Noobmonk3y> frals, its gone again?
Apr 17 12:07:25 <frals> 3,4 MB bloody hell what is this a movie?
Apr 17 12:07:30 <frals> not showing on my device :+
Apr 17 12:07:33 <Noobmonk3y> it keeps doing a vanisihing act
Apr 17 12:07:35 <frals> sec lemme check on the other one as well
Apr 17 12:07:36 <n900-dk> Noobmonk3y: it is only in devel
Apr 17 12:07:50 <n900-dk> I guess
Apr 17 12:08:03 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG, you need to link google translate to noor hehe
Apr 17 12:08:16 <MohammadAG> LOL
Apr 17 12:08:24 <Noobmonk3y> n900-dk, frals , shows an icon for me.
Apr 17 12:08:33 <frals> no icon for me
Apr 17 12:08:38 <MohammadAG> app is in english by default Noobmonk3y :)
Apr 17 12:08:41 <frals> on neither of my phones so 3v1!
Apr 17 12:08:55 <Noobmonk3y> the quran isnt tho! :)
Apr 17 12:09:13 * MohammadAG wonders if he should add translation by default
Apr 17 12:09:18 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, your thoughts?
Apr 17 12:09:20 <Noobmonk3y> :)
Apr 17 12:09:30 <frals> does have one in app listing thou
Apr 17 12:09:36 <Noobmonk3y> i'm intruiged by it
Apr 17 12:10:25 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, icon went poof
Apr 17 12:10:28 <Noobmonk3y> ooo update for fmms...
Apr 17 12:11:08 <Noobmonk3y> meh.... will fix the gay icon 2nite
Apr 17 12:11:12 <frals> "ui-confirmation_note.w" <- teh wat?
Apr 17 12:11:28 <Noobmonk3y> still shows on the device tho?
Apr 17 12:11:30 <frals> oh it was a touchselector, i see
Apr 17 12:11:35 <frals> yeah shows when installed
Apr 17 12:11:57 <MohammadAG> "JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel has banned imports of Apple Inc.'s hottest new product, the iPad, citing concerns the powerful gadget consumes too much capacity on wireless networks and could disrupt other devices."
Apr 17 12:12:18 <MohammadAG> kind of weird imo
Apr 17 12:12:20 <frals> i read that the other day
Apr 17 12:12:21 <Noobmonk3y> :)
Apr 17 12:12:39 <frals> its on some non allowed freq or something like that
Apr 17 12:12:48 <frals> thats how i understood the other article i read anyway
Apr 17 12:13:14 <frals> so not capacity as in amount of data but blocking frequencies for others or something like that..
Apr 17 12:13:30 <frals> otoh i could be completly wrong, its known to have happend
Apr 17 12:13:34 * MohammadAG wonders if it blocks government frequencies
Apr 17 12:15:01 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y,
Apr 17 12:15:13 <Noobmonk3y> ?
Apr 17 12:15:14 <MohammadAG> any chance for a will it blend feature in Heathcheck?
Apr 17 12:15:21 <frals> lol
Apr 17 12:16:31 <Noobmonk3y> blend?
Apr 17 12:16:41 <Noobmonk3y> ie food mixer?
Apr 17 12:16:49 <SpeedEvil> It could search the blendtek channel for n900
Apr 17 12:17:01 <Noobmonk3y> ohhhh
Apr 17 12:17:06 <Noobmonk3y> tek7 stuff
Apr 17 12:17:21 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 17 12:17:30 <MohammadAG> no lol
Apr 17 12:17:42 <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySFp3qnVmM&feature=channel
Apr 17 12:17:50 <Noobmonk3y> ? or that blending youtube thing
Apr 17 12:17:59 <MohammadAG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko
Apr 17 12:18:11 <Noobmonk3y> could add it for a joke. frals, can we use your loaner? :)
Apr 17 12:18:13 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, beat me to it
Apr 17 12:18:24 <jacekowski> can anybody test latest chrome update?
Apr 17 12:18:32 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: how
Apr 17 12:18:36 * MohammadAG does an apt-get update
Apr 17 12:18:38 <jacekowski> repo
Apr 17 12:18:56 <SpeedEvil> repo?
Apr 17 12:19:00 <MohammadAG> love doing those in xchat
Apr 17 12:19:11 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, most prolly extras-devel
Apr 17 12:19:19 <Noobmonk3y> in xchat?
Apr 17 12:19:27 <jacekowski> extras-devel
Apr 17 12:19:29 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, yep
Apr 17 12:19:34 <SpeedEvil> I have extras-devel enabled, and I saw no chrome last I looked
Apr 17 12:19:37 <SpeedEvil> in network?
Apr 17 12:19:39 <MohammadAG> /exec sudo apt-get update
Apr 17 12:19:43 <MohammadAG> like that
Apr 17 12:19:48 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: it's been there for 10 minutes
Apr 17 12:19:51 <Noobmonk3y> ahhhhhh!
Apr 17 12:19:52 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 17 12:20:02 <Noobmonk3y> i'd get a load, so maybe not
Apr 17 12:20:06 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: clearly I don't check enough
Apr 17 12:20:06 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, chromium, not chrome afaik
Apr 17 12:20:23 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, load?
Apr 17 12:20:43 <Noobmonk3y> lots of updates
Apr 17 12:21:12 <MohammadAG> update just refreshes the repo
Apr 17 12:21:22 <MohammadAG> ~ping
Apr 17 12:21:24 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 17 12:22:27 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: aha! Downloading.
Apr 17 12:22:35 <SpeedEvil> oops
Apr 17 12:22:44 * SpeedEvil thought net was down
Apr 17 12:27:48 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: any specific tests?
Apr 17 12:29:06 <jacekowski> UPPERCASE LETERS
Apr 17 12:29:46 <jacekowski> does it work correctly and letters are lowercase
Apr 17 12:30:21 <SpeedEvil> 0. chrome or chromium are not found in xterm
Apr 17 12:31:42 <MohammadAG> output of apt-cache
Apr 17 12:31:52 <MohammadAG> chromium - Chromium browser
Apr 17 12:32:14 <SpeedEvil> took ages to respond to 'click to keep google as your search engine'
Apr 17 12:32:35 <Noobmonk3y> brb bbq! in no signal area
Apr 17 12:34:00 <jacekowski>  /opti/chromium/chrome
Apr 17 12:34:59 <jacekowski>  /opt*
Apr 17 12:36:10 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: scrollbars to scroll the page don't work well for me
Apr 17 12:36:29 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, install chrometouch extension
Apr 17 12:36:41 <MohammadAG> adds kinetic scrolling (and keeps the scrollbars)
Apr 17 12:36:46 <SpeedEvil> where is this?
Apr 17 12:37:04 <MohammadAG> umm
Apr 17 12:37:22 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 17 12:37:22 <MohammadAG> click the first icon from the right
Apr 17 12:37:28 <MohammadAG> settings
Apr 17 12:37:32 <MohammadAG> click extensions
Apr 17 12:37:42 <MohammadAG> browse and search
Apr 17 12:38:19 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: I assume you know about the nothing happening when you click the app title thing?
Apr 17 12:39:34 <jacekowski> yes
Apr 17 12:39:44 <jacekowski> but what is supposed to happen
Apr 17 12:39:47 <Nitial> any hints how to disable screensaver during my application?
Apr 17 12:40:00 <jacekowski> i mean, all menus are somewhere else
Apr 17 12:40:22 <jacekowski> does anybody remember name for that hildon fullscreen widget
Apr 17 12:40:24 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: Pull up the 'menu' menu that you get when you click on that aforementioned 'tools' icon I guess
Apr 17 12:41:06 <SpeedEvil> clicking on 'install' - on extension doesn't do anything
Apr 17 12:41:22 <jacekowski> hmm
Apr 17 12:41:42 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, it should download and install
Apr 17 12:42:59 <SpeedEvil> oh - fair enough
Apr 17 12:43:05 <SpeedEvil> UI fail - installed without notice
Apr 17 12:43:17 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 17 12:43:33 <MohammadAG> that's google's fault ;)
Apr 17 12:43:48 <MohammadAG> just reload another tab to activate it
Apr 17 12:43:56 <SpeedEvil> yes - as I've not used chrome, I'm sticking with blaming jacekowski for everything.
Apr 17 12:44:09 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 17 12:44:39 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, chromium is held back by apt-get
Apr 17 12:45:12 * MohammadAG does a reinstall
Apr 17 12:45:31 <jacekowski> you might have to remove libxss if you had it installed
Apr 17 12:45:58 <MohammadAG> it wasn't installed
Apr 17 12:47:40 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: 'awesomebar' - or whatever it's called - is similarly broken to firefox - the items are not readable
Apr 17 12:57:00 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: Is there a way of fullscreening it?
Apr 17 12:57:06 <jacekowski> well, yes
Apr 17 12:57:12 <jacekowski> but you can't go back
Apr 17 12:57:20 <SpeedEvil> camkeyd?
Apr 17 12:57:40 <jacekowski> nah, i'm planning to do it like it's done in microb
Apr 17 12:58:12 <MohammadAG> -rfull doesn't seem to be system wide
Apr 17 12:59:10 <SpeedEvil> odd
Apr 17 12:59:22 <SpeedEvil> first video I tried on youtube/html5 (I hate iceland) worked
Apr 17 12:59:33 <SpeedEvil> none of the rest do
Apr 17 13:01:17 <jacekowski> flash probably crashed
Apr 17 13:01:30 <SpeedEvil> html5
Apr 17 13:01:40 <SpeedEvil> +flashblock
Apr 17 13:01:46 <SpeedEvil> flash seems to crash a lot (more)
Apr 17 13:08:06 <Appiah> Bluetooth-dun dont seam to wanna work if FM Transmitter is on.
Apr 17 13:08:29 <Appiah> Is that a bug? or just not possible?
Apr 17 13:09:01 <Appiah> Wonder if I should bugreport for it to be fixed or bugreport beacuse there's a warning missing
Apr 17 13:11:48 <SpeedEvil> It should in principle work
Apr 17 13:11:56 <SpeedEvil> the FM and bluetooth can work at the same time
Apr 17 13:11:58 <SpeedEvil> them not is a bug
Apr 17 13:17:04 <MohammadAG> tmo down?
Apr 17 13:25:12 * MohammadAG throws a Windows 7 sales package at ToJa92
Apr 17 13:31:38 <wazd> hello people
Apr 17 13:31:51 <n900-dk> hello wazd
Apr 17 13:31:53 <Stskeeps> lo wazd
Apr 17 13:31:58 <wazd> I'm working on a matrix animation for live wallpapers :)
Apr 17 13:32:04 <Stskeeps> cool
Apr 17 13:32:12 <wazd> that's gonna be awesome I hope :)
Apr 17 13:32:16 <RST38h> ehlo wazd, ukki
Apr 17 13:32:28 <ukki> hey RST38h
Apr 17 13:32:38 <N900evil_> wazd: xterm set to the right font
Apr 17 13:32:51 <n900-dk> isn't it going to be anoying to have all that flickering on the wallpaper?
Apr 17 13:33:06 <wazd> n900-dk: you'll see :)
Apr 17 13:33:29 * n900-dk likes his wallpaper to be quiet
Apr 17 13:34:10 <wazd> n900-dk: nice live wallpapoer for you then :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey4HWT7UkMs
Apr 17 13:35:09 <n900-dk> heh, prefer a black screen instead
Apr 17 13:44:39 <frals> anyone tried submitting an app to ovi store for maemo5? do you still need to pay up and have insurances and shit?
Apr 17 13:58:23 <corecode_> i have a semi-live wallpaper
Apr 17 13:58:30 <crashanddie> frals: most probably, yes
Apr 17 13:58:42 <corecode_> displaying the panorama picture if my city
Apr 17 13:58:51 <corecode_> how do you do live wallpapers?
Apr 17 13:59:23 <corecode_> my problem is that if i update the picture and the phone is in portrait mode, the background will be chopped off
Apr 17 14:01:00 <crashanddie> oh ffs, there's the self-promoting asshole again
Apr 17 14:03:05 <corecode_> me?
Apr 17 14:05:42 <n900-dk> Why is it that a 'normal' phone doesn't have to change APN to send/receive MMS?
Apr 17 14:06:31 <Termana> n900-dk: It does. You (normally) have two seperate APNs for Data and MMS.
Apr 17 14:06:54 <n900-dk> so the magic is just hidding for me?
Apr 17 14:07:13 <Termana> Rephrase?
Apr 17 14:07:40 <crashanddie> corecode_: nope, not you, some guy on tmo
Apr 17 14:07:42 <n900-dk> I mean - I dont see it like I do with fMMS
Apr 17 14:07:47 <crashanddie> corecode_: unless you're Lord Raiden, obviously
Apr 17 14:09:33 <Termana> n900-dk: I don't own an n900 and don't know the state of MMS. However a "normal" phone will store both a data and MMS APN. Maybe because fMMS has no core integration into the OS, it makes you change the data APN and reads that? I don't know
Apr 17 14:09:58 <MohammadAG_> is this field valid? XB-Maemo-Display-Name
Apr 17 14:10:12 <Stskeeps> no, linux cant handle two ip namespaces, so mms is difficult
Apr 17 14:10:21 <Stskeeps> newer kernels can
Apr 17 14:10:35 <n900-dk> Termana: I guess you are right
Apr 17 14:10:39 <MohammadAG_> Build a newer kernel from scratch with N900 support :P
Apr 17 14:10:48 <corecode_> undervolting seems to work for me, but not with 800MHz
Apr 17 14:11:51 <Termana> This is basically whats causing your problem: http://bit.ly/c65fgR
Apr 17 14:14:39 <corecode_> the swing is not swinging?
Apr 17 14:14:48 <n900-dk> heh, guess we cant blame everything on the ashclouds then
Apr 17 14:15:18 * MohammadAG_ looks at what tmo has been reduced to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50165
Apr 17 14:15:24 <Termana> corecode_: Theres a lot more than just the swing not swinging my friend :P
Apr 17 14:16:39 <corecode_> no coffee?
Apr 17 14:17:50 <Termana> corecode_: I'm pretty sure you get what the picture means :P
Apr 17 14:18:29 <Termana> corecode_: If not, feel free to take a look at this informative video on the subject - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWDwLnQAjs
Apr 17 14:19:34 <n900-dk> scary stuff..
Apr 17 14:19:42 <carloscesa> @all Folks, does anybody know how to take a screenshot on N900?
Apr 17 14:20:13 <frals> ctrl shift p
Apr 17 14:21:50 <frals> lol MohammadAG
Apr 17 14:23:43 <MohammadAG_> frals, any idea if Maemo-Display-Name: supports spaces?
Apr 17 14:24:04 <frals> it should i think
Apr 17 14:24:19 <frals> XB-Maemo-Display-Name btw, isnt it?
Apr 17 14:24:19 <MohammadAG_> does it need quotes? ("")
Apr 17 14:24:36 <frals> no clue
Apr 17 14:24:50 <frals> find an app in app manager that have spaces and fetch the deb and extract the control file? :D
Apr 17 14:26:29 <MohammadAG_> or just apt-cache show it :P
Apr 17 14:27:18 <MohammadAG_> nope, no quotes
Apr 17 14:27:23 <MohammadAG_> why didn't I think of that
Apr 17 14:27:28 <MohammadAG_> thanks frals :)
Apr 17 14:27:47 <frals> apt-cache is probably easier yes :)
Apr 17 14:27:49 <frals> np :)
Apr 17 14:31:37 <zarex> http://www.screwyouemily.in/?id=k35n9j1rlxrpfsqoop7byns4kc01b2
Apr 17 14:34:28 <carloscesa> frals, CTRL+SHIFT+P works! thanks!
Apr 17 14:36:24 <MohammadAG_> X-Fade, is it normal for a package that has just been uploaded/started to show Warning: This package does not have a proper description
Apr 17 14:37:35 <frals> it does that until its been imported in the repos afaik
Apr 17 14:38:44 <MohammadAG_> frals, thanks again, thought I f'd up :)
Apr 17 14:38:54 * MohammadAG_ switches to N900
Apr 17 14:39:56 <MohammadAG> lame quit msg, still haven't changed it :/
Apr 17 14:41:50 <mtnbkr> carloscesa: there is also a neat little screenshot app that loads into the dock It's called "Load Applet" and it also shows CPU and memory usage
Apr 17 14:47:10 <NuD1t7> hahaha took a screenshot of desktop with sms-arrived-notice ... set it to background and give it back to gf ... ( her phone ) ... she taps like crazy on the background and starts to think the touchscreen is dead :P
Apr 17 14:47:43 <RST38h> Did she damage/scratch here touchscreen in the process?
Apr 17 14:47:46 <mtnbkr> NuD1t7: hah  just make sure the SMS that arrived was not from your "other" gf  ;)
Apr 17 14:48:17 <NuD1t7> RST38h no :P
Apr 17 14:48:26 <NuD1t7> mtnbkr no it was her mum
Apr 17 14:48:33 <RST38h> then it does not count, no lasting effects =)
Apr 17 14:48:38 <NuD1t7> damnit
Apr 17 14:49:14 <RST38h> hohoho, looks like XFade finally fixed the repos
Apr 17 14:49:44 <mtnbkr> NuD1t7: reminds me of a joke some co-workers played on one of the bosses (a really smart guy)   They set his Windows backgroud to a BSOD.  lol   and fun was had by all :)
Apr 17 14:53:00 <frals> taking screen, setting as bg then hiding icons and taskbar is pretty funny to do at LANs
Apr 17 14:53:04 <NuD1t7> hahah I once did to my boss a small joke but it blew out to bee big by mistake : a made a shortcut on his laptop with the IE icon and command to give the windowmessage "Stupid user detected! Refuse to work with idiots, I'll go sleep." and then there was the shutdown-command .... funny and not that big deal ... unless my boss hitted the shortcut in a big meeting and laptop connected to videoscreen
Apr 17 14:53:35 <NuD1t7> sorry my english sucks ...
Apr 17 14:54:27 <pupnik> nice
Apr 17 14:54:44 <n900-dk> NuD1t7: heh, did you get fired?
Apr 17 14:56:03 <lcuk> i added a big red button to the testing version of the app, didnt tell any of hte team what it was, but displayed a confirmation dialog and everything and had a caption underneath it telling them not to press
Apr 17 14:56:15 <lcuk> in the later reports it was the most pushed button on that round
Apr 17 14:57:39 <pupnik> :)
Apr 17 14:58:04 <lcuk> hey pupnik
Apr 17 14:58:28 <frals> you know you wouldve pushed it as well lcuk ;)
Apr 17 14:58:41 <lcuk> frals, not at all
Apr 17 15:00:41 <lcuk> kids party was tiring
Apr 17 15:01:20 <pupnik> no volume control on em eh?
Apr 17 15:02:05 <frals> 6 files changed, 323 insertions(+), 144 deletions(-)
Apr 17 15:02:10 <frals> \o/
Apr 17 15:02:14 <RST38h> Half the messaging protocols are down again
Apr 17 15:02:18 <RST38h> Weird crap
Apr 17 15:02:37 * RST38h puts on the robe and excorsizes the daemons
Apr 17 15:02:53 <frals> is there any decent scp gui around?
Apr 17 15:03:22 * lcuk gives RST38h his spare wizard hat
Apr 17 15:03:23 <RST38h> Midnight Commander?
Apr 17 15:03:30 <lcuk> frals, winscp
Apr 17 15:03:32 <lcuk> :D
Apr 17 15:03:50 <lcuk> which os are you wanting it from
Apr 17 15:03:56 <frals> lcuck: for device
Apr 17 15:04:11 <frals> RST38h: prereably touchfriendly ;)
Apr 17 15:04:36 <RST38h> it is touch friendly
Apr 17 15:04:39 <frals> bad latency on ssh atm ><
Apr 17 15:04:53 <RST38h> Midnight Commander works very well with xterm mouse support, and Maemo xterm has that
Apr 17 15:05:12 <lcuk> scp IS ssh ?
Apr 17 15:05:16 <RST38h> Ok, IRC plugin still not fixed =(
Apr 17 15:05:17 <lcuk> isnt it
Apr 17 15:05:55 <frals> lcuk: afaiu more or less
Apr 17 15:07:55 <lcuk> i might go n laze in the garden and make some code notes
Apr 17 15:08:04 <carloscesa> mtnbkr, ok, I'm installing the Load Applet app
Apr 17 15:14:50 <n900-dk> Is it possible to turn this off, when subscribing to threads at tmo: "There may also be other replies, but you will not receive any more notifications until you visit the forum again"?
Apr 17 15:15:24 <mtnbkr> carloscesa: let me know if you can get the "record movie" option to work... Mine records black screen only.   I think there was/is a bug for that but I have not had time to go back and look that up again.
Apr 17 15:21:59 <jacekowski> besides, somebody said something about animated wallpapers
Apr 17 15:22:09 <jacekowski> does anybody have any more details on that?
Apr 17 15:22:40 <kynky> uses battery
Apr 17 15:23:02 <jacekowski> shouldn't
Apr 17 15:23:15 <jacekowski> but i need some links
Apr 17 15:23:15 <lcuk> jacekowski, anything running cpu will
Apr 17 15:23:23 <lcuk> but yes live background support is there
Apr 17 15:23:24 <frals> enormous potential for cool stuff!
Apr 17 15:23:27 <lcuk> tmo has a thread
Apr 17 15:23:32 <cato`> jacekowski: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/
Apr 17 15:23:33 <mtnbkr> jacekowski: http://bit.ly/8YnuSv
Apr 17 15:24:14 <N900evil_> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Apr 17 15:24:20 <N900evil_> oops
Apr 17 15:24:34 <mtnbkr> jacekowski: I got that in my twitter feed from   mwkn  the other day.   I have to say I am not too impressed with the video though
Apr 17 15:25:55 <jacekowski> hmm
Apr 17 15:26:01 <mtnbkr> jacekowski: but only because I have seen "live wallpaper" on Nexus One and that looked really cool, and VERY smooth
Apr 17 15:26:30 <jacekowski> well, it's still early phase
Apr 17 15:26:37 <jacekowski> lot of room for improvments
Apr 17 15:26:38 <lcuk> mtnbkr, baseline app
Apr 17 15:26:54 <lcuk> different methods for things will appear
Apr 17 15:27:07 <lcuk> same for everything else, multiple ways to skin a cat
Apr 17 15:28:07 <mtnbkr> lcuk: yeah, I hear that...   Not trying to disparage any development or any devs.
Apr 17 15:28:34 <jacekowski> it's hildon-desktop that's dealing with wallpapers in maemo?
Apr 17 15:28:37 * lcuk thinks vlad and wazds streetviews will be cool
Apr 17 15:28:45 <lcuk> especially when they add real weather i nit
Apr 17 15:29:19 * slonopotamus pokes X-Fade 
Apr 17 15:31:48 <slonopotamus> X-Fade: reupload for autocleaned version doesn't work: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902
Apr 17 15:31:51 <povbot> Bug 9902: Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel
Apr 17 15:33:24 <slonopotamus> saying 'there's a newer version' when repo has _none_ is kinda... broken.
Apr 17 15:33:50 <jacekowski> mtnbkr: cpu in n900 is more than enough to handle something like that
Apr 17 15:34:12 <tmr1> can anybody check whats my n800 available from outside? tmr.dyndns.org
Apr 17 15:35:41 <tmr1> * tmr.dyndns.org/live
Apr 17 15:35:47 <RST38h> tmr: of course not
Apr 17 15:36:03 <wazd> http://i023.radikal.ru/1004/93/64e10b626800.png <- matrix LW in progress :)
Apr 17 15:36:09 <Appiah> tmr1: it works
Apr 17 15:36:11 <tmr1> sad
Apr 17 15:36:16 <RST38h> tmr: Your record is pointing to 192.168.0.105 which is your local address
Apr 17 15:36:29 <RST38h> Oh, wait, it resolved somehow =)
Apr 17 15:36:44 <korhojoa> tmr1: there is still something that points to 192.168.0.105
Apr 17 15:36:52 <RST38h> wazd: ...and the same in cyrillics ;)
Apr 17 15:37:11 <wazd> RST38h: heard bout Live Wallpapers? :)
Apr 17 15:37:31 <RST38h> wazd: Yea, but I am not quite amused about them - too much power drain =(
Apr 17 15:37:45 <wazd> RST38h: well, they work only when you're looking at them :)
Apr 17 15:38:16 <wazd> RST38h: ofcourse they'll drain a bit more than jpg file :D
Apr 17 15:39:00 <wazd> RST38h: I'm working on the matrix "text rain" animation for them :)
Apr 17 15:39:26 <jacekowski> warp10: i was thinking about same thing
Apr 17 15:39:29 <RST38h> wazd: is it a bunch of jpegs?
Apr 17 15:39:49 <wazd> RST38h: nope, ofcourse not, am I mad? :D
Apr 17 15:39:55 <n900-dk> tmr1: What do you want to know from the status2k page?
Apr 17 15:40:05 <RST38h> wazd: I have been thinking of implementing the eSheep on top of that
Apr 17 15:40:20 <wazd> RST38h: a bit like flash animation, keyframes and stuff
Apr 17 15:40:24 <RST38h> ah
Apr 17 15:40:41 <tmr1> n900-dk, nothing, just demo
Apr 17 15:40:50 <RST38h> wazd: Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep
Apr 17 15:41:10 <RST38h> wazd: any inspiration? =)
Apr 17 15:41:34 <tmr1> n900-dk: n800 running debian apache mysql php, demo
Apr 17 15:41:42 <wazd> RST38h: oh, I've used it long ago :D
Apr 17 15:41:48 <wazd> RST38h: pretty cute :)
Apr 17 15:42:04 <n900-dk> tmr1: nice :)
Apr 17 15:42:25 <Trizt> sad that -rootwin option on mplayer don't work on the n900, that would make the coolest animated backgrounds
Apr 17 15:42:30 <RST38h> wazd: Get the original program and install it on Windows
Apr 17 15:42:34 <jacekowski> i'm not sure if using opengl for these live wallpapers is good idea
Apr 17 15:42:40 <RST38h> wazd: It is freaking hilarious
Apr 17 15:42:46 <jacekowski> in terms of power consumption
Apr 17 15:42:48 <wazd> RST38h: not sure that original will run under w7 :)
Apr 17 15:42:58 <RST38h> wazd: Try, it won't kill you. A moment.
Apr 17 15:43:02 <jacekowski>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep
Apr 17 15:43:14 <jacekowski> i like that idea as well
Apr 17 15:43:27 <RST38h> wazd: http://www.brothersoft.com/scmpoo-download-71745.html
Apr 17 15:43:34 <wazd> RST38h: yeah, especially w7 x64 :)
Apr 17 15:43:44 <jacekowski> but after i make chrome usable i'll make matrix wallpaper
Apr 17 15:43:51 <RST38h> wazd: Or here: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/download/sheepy
Apr 17 15:44:04 <RST38h> wazd: Urgh. May actually run.
Apr 17 15:44:22 <javispedro> moo RST38h
Apr 17 15:44:33 <javispedro> and everybody :)
Apr 17 15:44:46 <jacekowski> 14:22 [freenode] SpeedEvil [~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] requested CTCP PING from jacekowski: 1271506956
Apr 17 15:44:46 <wazd> RST38h: nope, they all want 32 bit
Apr 17 15:44:52 <wazd> javispedro: heya
Apr 17 15:44:58 <wazd> javispedro: http://i023.radikal.ru/1004/93/64e10b626800.png
Apr 17 15:45:04 <RST38h> wazd: A kinda suspect that scmpoo is actually 32bit now
Apr 17 15:45:08 <RST38h> wazd: check them
Apr 17 15:45:13 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: what do you need?
Apr 17 15:45:28 <javispedro> wazd: hehe, as live wallpaper?
Apr 17 15:45:32 <wazd> javispedro: yep
Apr 17 15:45:34 * RST38h kills an iPhone user for javispedro
Apr 17 15:46:36 <jacekowski> 1st somebody would have to make it work nicely
Apr 17 15:46:37 * javispedro blends the resulting iPhone into iPhone gas and releases it into the atmosphere, resulting in more canceled flights
Apr 17 15:46:52 <RST38h> Is that poisonous?
Apr 17 15:47:09 <korhojoa> "iphone dust, don't breathe this!"
Apr 17 15:47:15 <jacekowski> no
Apr 17 15:47:16 <jacekowski> it's
Apr 17 15:47:22 <korhojoa> DELISHUS
Apr 17 15:47:23 <jacekowski> iSmoke, don't breathe this
Apr 17 15:47:29 <korhojoa> oh. damn.
Apr 17 15:47:35 <jacekowski> you failed
Apr 17 15:47:47 <korhojoa> eh. haven't seen those that many times
Apr 17 15:48:03 <korhojoa> what did he say when he blended the ipad?
Apr 17 15:48:20 <javispedro> same iirc
Apr 17 15:48:20 <korhojoa> what was funny though was that the display kept working for quite a long time after he started bashing it to bits
Apr 17 15:48:21 <jacekowski> You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you.
Apr 17 15:48:30 <korhojoa> only after that he bent it to shit did it stop working
Apr 17 15:48:46 <javispedro> korhojoa: the touch screen went crazy though
Apr 17 15:48:54 <korhojoa> yeah
Apr 17 15:48:57 <korhojoa> I lol'd.
Apr 17 15:49:02 <jacekowski> korhojoa: well, there is not a lot of elektronics into it
Apr 17 15:49:12 <jacekowski> korhojoa: electronics*
Apr 17 15:49:24 <javispedro> just explosive pletibonium
Apr 17 15:49:38 <korhojoa> appelonium
Apr 17 15:49:44 <korhojoa> it only exists in the RDF
Apr 17 15:51:49 <javispedro> lol.
Apr 17 15:51:58 <javispedro> meego.com has been invaded by shoemaker spam
Apr 17 15:52:02 <javispedro> http://meego.com/community/events/2010/linux-foundation-collaboration-summit see the comments
Apr 17 15:52:57 <korhojoa> "cheep Ugg bOATS!1"
Apr 17 15:53:21 <javispedro> "Thank you for the info and for the invitation. I was almost barefoot when I read this upcoming events of yours!!"
Apr 17 15:54:58 <korhojoa> We need more colour.
Apr 17 15:56:29 <Xisdibik> what is this colour you speak of korhojoa
Apr 17 15:58:54 <jacekowski> colour is used only in UK?
Apr 17 15:59:04 <jacekowski> or there are any other countries that use colour?
Apr 17 16:05:22 <lcuk> 3.5gb over wifi
Apr 17 16:05:25 <lcuk> gulp
Apr 17 16:05:49 <javispedro> over 3G -- end of the world.
Apr 17 16:06:07 <jacekowski> 15g over 3g
Apr 17 16:06:13 <jacekowski> in a week
Apr 17 16:06:21 <lcuk> i just need to backup my /home/user fully :)
Apr 17 16:06:55 <lcuk> mmm right click properties gave 3.5gb
Apr 17 16:07:00 <lcuk> now the copy dialog says 10g
Apr 17 16:09:00 <lcuk> i wonder: can i fiddle with the mounting for usb support to give rootfs access so i can copy faster under linux
Apr 17 16:13:19 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: My network connection I though had fallen over, so I pinged you to confirm it. It seems it had not.
Apr 17 16:14:08 <luke-jr> jacekowski: 'colour' is everywhere except USA
Apr 17 16:14:16 <luke-jr> including Canada I think
Apr 17 16:14:45 <luke-jr> basically, USAians like to misspell it so much they made it an official typo
Apr 17 16:14:47 <luke-jr> :p
Apr 17 16:24:19 <b0unc3> hey guys, is there any way to get the powerkey press signal ?
Apr 17 16:28:46 <tmr1> b0unc3: cat /dev/input/event2
Apr 17 16:30:19 <pupnik> javispedro: re overclocking... what about just briefly spiking to higher mhz when, for e.g. emulation is slowed by some system process.  might be an effective trick to reduce jittery/missed frames
Apr 17 16:30:36 <javispedro> changing freq takes cycles
Apr 17 16:30:47 <javispedro> unless you can somehow predict when it's going to jitter...
Apr 17 16:30:52 <pupnik> ah so it cannot be so finegrained
Apr 17 16:31:35 <pupnik> usually if something slows down it hits for a few hundreds of m sec
Apr 17 16:32:29 <javispedro> ah
Apr 17 16:32:41 <javispedro> well when it jitters here it's usually modest being launch and checking mail
Apr 17 16:32:49 <javispedro> which is more of an io thing than cpu
Apr 17 16:35:46 <b0unc3> tmr1, it doesn't work
Apr 17 16:38:56 <pupnik> nobody have a sdk for n900 yet?
Apr 17 16:39:19 <MohammadAG_> err
Apr 17 16:39:24 <pupnik> i thought lcuk would by now :)
Apr 17 16:39:26 <MohammadAG_> most developers have an sdk
Apr 17 16:39:31 <javispedro> for on-device dev
Apr 17 16:39:38 <MohammadAG_> oh
Apr 17 16:39:43 <tmr1> b0unc3: n8x0?
Apr 17 16:40:19 <javispedro> pupnik: theoretically, "cloning" (like in the older days) the system to an sd card, adding sdk and tools repo to it should work.
Apr 17 16:40:25 <javispedro> then chroot.
Apr 17 16:41:01 <Nils^> hi, anyone in here who develops apps for maemo5 (n900) with Archlinux?
Apr 17 16:41:20 <b0unc3> tmr1, N900
Apr 17 16:41:57 <MohammadAG_> javispedro, or easy debian
Apr 17 16:42:17 <javispedro> MohammadAG: you'd have to uninstall debian and install maemo inside the chroot. not funny...
Apr 17 16:42:34 <MohammadAG_> huh
Apr 17 16:42:43 <pupnik> javispedro: maybe the best way to share that would be a wiki containing script(s)
Apr 17 16:42:52 <MohammadAG_> javispedro, just install the SDK like you would on a PC
Apr 17 16:42:57 <MohammadAG_> inside easy debian
Apr 17 16:43:05 <javispedro> MohammadAG: the SDK requires x86
Apr 17 16:43:12 <MohammadAG_> actually, on second thought, that would mean double chroots
Apr 17 16:43:21 <MohammadAG_> javispedro, it can be force installed
Apr 17 16:43:38 <javispedro> MohammadAG: there's a reason for that requeriment. binaries are x86.
Apr 17 16:43:52 <MohammadAG_> not on the armel target
Apr 17 16:43:59 <javispedro> yes
Apr 17 16:44:07 <javispedro> compilers, debian tools, etc.
Apr 17 16:45:34 <javispedro> the SDK is much more than a chroot -- so when you are under a real armel platform, it's a bit of a waste of time trying to install the desktop SDK -- either get the rootstraps only, or clone the system to bootstrap it.
Apr 17 16:45:55 <BluesLee> do you know whic package provides pngenc?
Apr 17 16:46:32 <RST38h> MohammadAG: It is a mix of armel and x86 binaries afaik
Apr 17 16:46:55 <RST38h> If you are using the "host tools" option, it is only the x86 binaries
Apr 17 16:47:10 <RST38h> (and in fact, "host tools" option covers most real life scenarios)
Apr 17 16:47:36 <PhonicUK> hey all
Apr 17 16:47:40 <MohammadAG> remembered the symlinks in /scratchbox
Apr 17 16:47:49 <javispedro> RST38h: this reminds me, did you try the stuff I sent you on sb2? >:)
Apr 17 16:47:54 <MohammadAG> got it, SDK won't install that easily :)
Apr 17 16:48:24 <PhonicUK> i wish the SDK wasn't such a pain in the ass to use :\
Apr 17 16:48:34 <RST38h> javispedro: Nope. I am afraid to upgrade sb2 really
Apr 17 16:48:46 <javispedro> ah, ok.
Apr 17 16:48:55 <javispedro> yes, can understand.
Apr 17 16:49:02 <RST38h> javispedro: And have not done any Maemo work in weeks (just got back to improving some maemo code yesterday)
Apr 17 16:49:34 <javispedro> I see they're chastising you already for that in tmo. I wonder when they'll start chastising me now that I've not touched drnok for weeks :P
Apr 17 16:49:35 <RST38h> javispedro: On the positive side, EMULib-based internal config menus are all touch/mouse sensitive now
Apr 17 16:50:36 <RST38h> javispedro: Well, some shmuck posted a condescending complaint to the EMUL8 group a few days ago (along the "work harder and be my hero" lines), I gave him the standard answer (you can guess which one)
Apr 17 16:51:47 <javispedro> yeah, he quoted it.
Apr 17 16:51:59 <RST38h> javispedro: But, really, I suspect we are both off the hook now, as they have moved to PSP emus. It is always the latest hw for these guys, no matter how shitty its emulation runs
Apr 17 16:52:08 <pupnik> "you can't improve perfection"
Apr 17 16:52:20 <pupnik> soo true RST38h
Apr 17 16:52:22 <RST38h> pupnik: naah, two words shorter.
Apr 17 16:52:27 <pupnik> heheh
Apr 17 16:53:04 * GAN900 needs to braindump somewhere before he forgets everything.
Apr 17 16:53:10 <javispedro> here!
Apr 17 16:53:23 * RST38h also made unused screen corners fast-forward the emulation now
Apr 17 16:53:39 <GAN900> javispedro, OK.
Apr 17 16:53:49 <GAN900> javispedro sucks for not coming.
Apr 17 16:53:49 <javispedro> cat > /dev/null <<<EOF
Apr 17 16:53:50 <GAN900> :P
Apr 17 16:53:54 <RST38h> i.e. stuff like START/SELECT, when not used by the emulated platform, does fast-forward
Apr 17 16:53:58 <javispedro> ;)
Apr 17 16:55:07 <Summeli> I should also get the N900, to test my Qt emulation UIs with
Apr 17 16:55:10 <Stskeeps> GAN900: irc is a good place to braindump, logged and all
Apr 17 16:55:19 <PhonicUK> anyone here got Qt Creator 2.0 alpha to play nice with their N900?
Apr 17 16:55:50 <lcuk> RST38h, with some sort of ux indicator?
Apr 17 16:55:55 <Summeli> the gpsp is running pretty well even on symbian at the moment
Apr 17 16:56:16 * lcuk dislikes random ux stuff that leaves you randomly grasping and touching things
Apr 17 16:56:24 <GAN900> Somebody want to start astroturfing for social news on MeeGo.com?
Apr 17 16:56:32 <javispedro> GAN900: tbh yes, I hope to cover it by watching all the avail video :)
Apr 17 16:56:43 <RST38h> lcuk: well they are labelled FFWD now
Apr 17 16:57:01 <RST38h> GAN: are there any social meego news?
Apr 17 16:57:12 <lcuk> RST38h, cool
Apr 17 16:57:22 <GAN900> RST38h, i.e., Planet + rating from maemo.org
Apr 17 16:57:28 <lcuk> whatever they are as long as they are ui elements that you dont scratch at
Apr 17 16:58:03 <Stskeeps> GAN900: so after talking to people, how screwed are we regarding meego and openness? :P
Apr 17 16:58:14 <RST38h> GAN: Planet would be nice
Apr 17 16:58:23 <RST38h> GAN: I kinda doubt ratings make sense yet
Apr 17 16:58:24 * GAN900 needs to do a survey of other bug tracker URLs for ammo for the bugs/bugzilla thing.
Apr 17 16:58:32 <GAN900> Stskeeps, honestly?
Apr 17 16:58:36 <javispedro> so screwed we might need to buy Palm to get some more openness!
Apr 17 16:58:48 * RST38h really hopes Palm finally dies this time
Apr 17 16:58:54 <GAN900> Stskeeps, it feels a lot like Maemo has felt for 5 years. :/
Apr 17 16:59:01 <GAN900> "Real soon now"
Apr 17 16:59:03 <RST38h> With their chief sw honcho gone, I may just get my wish...
Apr 17 16:59:05 <GAN900> lbt, ping!
Apr 17 16:59:08 <Stskeeps> GAN900: lovely
Apr 17 16:59:33 <RST38h> Maybe Samsung buys Palm and they both die in the embrace of death?
Apr 17 16:59:36 <GAN900> Stskeeps, except with more talk about how open the project is. . . .
Apr 17 16:59:45 <Robot101> GAN900: the difference is, for it to be a success with more than just intel and nokia they /have/ to open it
Apr 17 16:59:52 <RST38h> GAN: Problem is, talk is cheap
Apr 17 16:59:54 <javispedro> RST38h: much like what happened when access bought psrc =)
Apr 17 17:00:12 <Robot101> for the linux foundation's involvement to be credible and it to be a neutral project
Apr 17 17:00:19 <javispedro> access was a prosperous browser maker back then (remember netfront?) :)
Apr 17 17:00:31 <RST38h> GAN: On the other hand, I fully believe (as a private person) that Intel does not have any interest withholding any of Meego sources
Apr 17 17:00:33 <pupnik> i would like to see samsung hook up with "us" more
Apr 17 17:00:50 <RST38h> GAN: Mainly because Intel is a hw company, for them Meego is a tool to sell more Atoms
Apr 17 17:01:09 <lbt> hey GAN900
Apr 17 17:01:14 <RST38h> javispedro: Yea, I suffered that one
Apr 17 17:01:21 <GAN900> The ConMan, oFono, BlueZ talk was interesting
Apr 17 17:01:48 <SpeedEvil> s/ibmpc/phones/ s/dos/meego/
Apr 17 17:02:12 <Robot101> ofono is gpl, you can't /have/ a closed cellular plugin :)
Apr 17 17:02:16 <RST38h> pupnik: you can just as well hook up with Martians. Samsung is completely different culture.
Apr 17 17:02:17 <GAN900> grar
Apr 17 17:02:31 * GAN900 dropped at "Maybe Samsung buys Palm ..."
Apr 17 17:02:33 <Robot101> and ofono already works on N9pp
Apr 17 17:02:47 <GAN900> The ConMan, oFono, BlueZ talk was interesting
Apr 17 17:02:49 <ToJa92> Does anyone know if there are any LAMP packages available? Or a guide to install apache, mysql, php and so on manually?
Apr 17 17:02:49 <Robot101> lolfntypo
Apr 17 17:03:08 <ToJa92> Also a decent notepad with PHP highlighting would be great
Apr 17 17:03:08 <GAN900> Robot101, you getting a flight?
Apr 17 17:03:25 <Veggen> Intel have a history of providing good open specs and drivers.
Apr 17 17:03:37 <Veggen> intel chipsets have been quite well supported in Linux.
Apr 17 17:03:42 <Robot101> GAN900: is tomorrow but if it doesn't go, I've got one booked to montreal instead
Apr 17 17:04:06 <Robot101> GAN900: we've got an office there and the timezone works better for me
Apr 17 17:04:15 * n900-dk guess someone should make assproof planes..
Apr 17 17:04:22 <GAN900> Robot101, ah
Apr 17 17:04:45 <pupnik> i just figured that typo out
Apr 17 17:04:56 <Robot101> gotta get the hotel to do a bunch of laundry for me though :)
Apr 17 17:04:58 <GAN900> Stskeeps, lbt wont be happy about the arch answer.
Apr 17 17:05:00 <lcuk> plenty of flights from america to iceland
Apr 17 17:05:12 <javispedro> pupnik: the n9pp is the n900+1, clearly ;)
Apr 17 17:05:14 <Veggen> lcuk: ...but not further?
Apr 17 17:05:23 <lcuk> not on your nelly
Apr 17 17:05:38 <Veggen> ash has been blowing eastwards from Iceland, yes.
Apr 17 17:05:42 <lbt> GAN900: what arch answer?
Apr 17 17:05:48 <Robot101> lcuk: yeah but think about, iceland will be the last place you'll be able to fly to europe from :P
Apr 17 17:06:05 <lcuk> indeed rob
Apr 17 17:06:09 <pupnik> javispedro: "assproof planes"  is not easy to parse
Apr 17 17:06:10 <lcuk> but you can swim at least :D
Apr 17 17:06:12 <GAN900> lbt, wont be open until 1.2, apparently
Apr 17 17:06:27 <lbt> the OBS ?
Apr 17 17:06:28 <javispedro> pupnik: ah, _that_ typo :(
Apr 17 17:06:43 <GAN900> lbt, workgroup at the November Summit seems to be the opening point.
Apr 17 17:06:53 <GAN900> lbt, arch mailing list
Apr 17 17:07:02 <n900-dk> woops..  s/assproof/ashproof :D
Apr 17 17:07:04 <GAN900> That Imad mentioned being open.
Apr 17 17:07:17 <GAN900> lbt, which isn't anything of the sort, apparently.
Apr 17 17:07:29 <lbt> heh
Apr 17 17:07:51 <lcuk> what if someone set up a public obs before
Apr 17 17:07:56 <lcuk> using the source thats there now
Apr 17 17:08:05 <GAN900> lbt, but, Arjan said any questions should go to MeeGo-dev and they'd be more than happy to explain any descisions.
Apr 17 17:08:12 <lcuk> and started using it
Apr 17 17:08:18 <SpeedEvil> True open modem would be so nice. For example, being able to tweak actual 3g/2g switching points
Apr 17 17:08:28 <lbt> GAN900: I'm not 100% sure - are we talking OBS or arch mailing list?
Apr 17 17:08:34 <SpeedEvil> never happen of course
Apr 17 17:08:37 <GAN900> lbt, public OBS was more of a "dunno"
Apr 17 17:08:39 <SpeedEvil> too much bad shit possible
Apr 17 17:08:41 <lbt> OK.
Apr 17 17:08:43 <GAN900> lbt, arch mailing list.
Apr 17 17:08:56 <GAN900> lbt, thus, "arch ... arch ... arch" :P
Apr 17 17:09:00 <dneary> Stuck in SFO until the middle of next week, apparently
Apr 17 17:09:01 <lbt> for me, that's not so important - more a Stskeeps thing
Apr 17 17:09:07 <lbt> :)
Apr 17 17:09:11 <GAN900> dneary, lucky you!
Apr 17 17:09:12 <dneary> GAN900, You made it home?
Apr 17 17:09:20 <Robot101> dneary: :(
Apr 17 17:09:28 <lbt> lcuk: I was hoping to meet tero on tuesday to discuss
Apr 17 17:09:33 <GAN900> dneary, I'm doing touristy things with my dad until Monday.
Apr 17 17:09:34 <lbt> will have to hold back now
Apr 17 17:09:35 <dneary> Robot101, How bout you? You managed to get out?
Apr 17 17:09:45 <lcuk> lbt still meet him
Apr 17 17:09:53 <GAN900> dneary, want to join us for a Segway tour in SF Sunday? ;)
Apr 17 17:09:58 <Robot101> dneary: my flight is tomorrow, but... I booked one to montreal
Apr 17 17:10:01 <lbt> we can irc/jabber ... but it's not quite the same
Apr 17 17:10:06 <dneary> GAN900, Maybe...
Apr 17 17:10:13 <Robot101> dneary: don't hold out much hope
Apr 17 17:10:15 <dneary> Need to get flights rebooked first
Apr 17 17:10:16 <lcuk> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/15/world/europe/airport-closings-graphic.html
Apr 17 17:10:39 <dneary> Robot101, My wife just told me that the airport closure has been extended to Monday 14h at earliest
Apr 17 17:10:52 <GAN900> dneary, I've got a block of time to kill on Monday morning before my flight at 14:00, so we can do something then if you're still stuck.
Apr 17 17:10:53 <dneary> (reported on French lunchtime news a few hours ago)
Apr 17 17:10:59 <n900-dk> and it sounds like the vulcano is still very active
Apr 17 17:11:07 <lbt> lcuk: that seems out of date
Apr 17 17:11:12 <Robot101> dneary: it varies depending on airport, the uk ones are reporting shorter closures
Apr 17 17:11:18 <GAN900> Yeesh, 11 software updates.
Apr 17 17:11:20 <lbt> All BA flights cancelled tomorrow
Apr 17 17:11:34 <lcuk> UPDATED April 17, 6:36 AM ET
Apr 17 17:11:56 <dneary> GAN900, I am going down to Stanford today - hopefully I'll run into jrb from Red Hat too - but I'd like to come back up to the city on Sunday - depends if the airline takes a hotel room or not for me
Apr 17 17:12:07 <Robot101> n900-dk: the ash is apparently not being thrown so high now
Apr 17 17:12:20 <Robot101> n900-dk: so it's not getting worse
Apr 17 17:12:30 <nid0> uk airports are still closed till tomorrow
Apr 17 17:12:34 <Robot101> its just the cloud that's there that's a problem
Apr 17 17:12:34 <nid0> at the moment, its 7am
Apr 17 17:12:36 <dneary> Robot101, Why would UK airports (closer to Iceland) open before French ones?
Apr 17 17:12:49 <lbt> dneary: the french are wusses
Apr 17 17:12:59 <lcuk> dneary, dispersal patterns
Apr 17 17:13:05 <n900-dk> Robot101: the news here just said, that it is still the same and not getting better
Apr 17 17:13:05 <Robot101> dneary: its not new ash, it's the cloud that's there and moving south/east
Apr 17 17:13:16 <pupnik> i do not see a cloud here
Apr 17 17:13:24 <javispedro> well, come to madrid >:)
Apr 17 17:13:29 <GAN900> pupnik, you can't
Apr 17 17:13:39 <javispedro> (cause from what I gather some bcn flights have already been canceled)
Apr 17 17:13:49 <lcuk> mmmmmm bcn
Apr 17 17:14:02 <Robot101> n900-dk: directly contradicts article I just read on the guardian, that says ash is being thrown to 3 miles not 8 so isn't contributing to the cloud currently
Apr 17 17:14:03 <pupnik> if visibility is clear, i do not see why ban flights here
Apr 17 17:14:05 <SpeedEvil> It's quite startling on the ground - http://www.mauve.plus.com/ash.jpg
Apr 17 17:14:15 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: it's not a visibility thing.
Apr 17 17:14:15 <nid0> pupnik - visibility has nothing to do with it
Apr 17 17:14:26 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: it's a sandblasting engines with unknown results thing
Apr 17 17:14:26 <nid0> the ash is like 7 miles up, and its just dust, you cant see it
Apr 17 17:14:31 <lcuk> pupnik, because flying at 400mph through a cloud of dust and small stones has this kind of cumulative effect
Apr 17 17:14:32 <GAN900> pupnik, ash is still there.
Apr 17 17:14:33 <n900-dk> Robot101: it is also new ash, there is still a lot of ash comming out
Apr 17 17:14:36 <nid0> what it does do is get sucked into engines, turn into glass, and fuck them up
Apr 17 17:14:45 <lcuk> think of trusting your desktop computer fan to fly you over an ocean
Apr 17 17:15:29 <n900-dk> maybe the wind will change, some day..
Apr 17 17:15:31 <pupnik> if there isnt enough to be visible, not enough to damage engine, imo
Apr 17 17:16:06 <lcuk> pupnik, you are looking for fine particles 20thousand foot in the air
Apr 17 17:16:09 <Stskeeps> you should see the finnish f17s then
Apr 17 17:16:14 <lcuk> sure its not enough to block out the sun where you are
Apr 17 17:16:15 <nid0> ah how stupid of us, every air regulatory agency in europe knows worse than you
Apr 17 17:16:19 <nid0> its so obvious!
Apr 17 17:16:24 * SpeedEvil places a small quantity of anthrax in pupniks room.
Apr 17 17:16:52 <javispedro> don't worry! since a vulcano covering europe in ash is the first part of 2012, we're gonna all die before you can get back to europe.
Apr 17 17:17:13 <javispedro> and they've told me that travel tickets are cheap in the afterlife
Apr 17 17:17:14 <pupnik> i dont see the airlines saying "we dont want to fly"
Apr 17 17:17:20 <Robot101> javispedro: I actually had a dream about a tidal wave :(
Apr 17 17:17:21 <Stskeeps> yes, we do :P
Apr 17 17:17:59 <javispedro> aha, ideal place for the meego summit: iceland!
Apr 17 17:18:02 <pupnik> nid0: and yes, regulatory agencies do amazingly stupid things all the time
Apr 17 17:18:12 <b-man> javispedro: rofl
Apr 17 17:18:42 <dneary> Robot101, I'm going down to Palo Alto today, if you're still here Sunday give me a ring?
Apr 17 17:18:52 <GAN900> pupnik, how many tons of air does a turbofan engine suck through it over 2,000 miles?
Apr 17 17:19:32 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: about 100
Apr 17 17:19:45 <dneary> Robot101, Do you have my number? +33 6 77 01 92 13
Apr 17 17:20:10 <PhonicUK> WOOO hello world works ^_^
Apr 17 17:20:11 <pupnik> GAN900: shirtsleeve math isnt going to give us a number for how many mtbf hours an engine has going through x percent ash
Apr 17 17:20:15 <Robot101> dneary: I've got a montreal flight booked for sun if my lhr one doesn't make it
Apr 17 17:20:23 <dneary> pupnik, Because the ash that you can't see turns into glass in the jet engines and the planes fall out of the sky :)
Apr 17 17:20:40 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: actually no - more than that for high-bypass engines I suppose
Apr 17 17:20:50 <GAN900> pupnik, and they all need complete overhauls if not.
Apr 17 17:20:51 <dneary> Robot101, Making lemonade? :)
Apr 17 17:21:02 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, turbofan, not jet. ;)
Apr 17 17:21:39 <Robot101> dneary: yeah, there's an office there and its a better timezone for me
Apr 17 17:22:15 <dneary> Lucky you have a subsidiary, I guess
Apr 17 17:22:30 <lcuk> its a shame we havent finished latest model planes, we could have used ramjets in the outer atmosphere to avoid most of the cloud and close the manifold on re-entry
Apr 17 17:22:54 <lcuk> and it would get people back and forward from us in a couple of hours
Apr 17 17:22:59 <pupnik> dneary: the documented cases of planes losing engines were when they went straight through dense clouds of ash
Apr 17 17:23:01 <javispedro> and the reason we haven't finished latest model planes is that there haven't been enough "disasters" of this kind.
Apr 17 17:23:18 <RST38h> lcuk: Has 3rd episode of DrWho aired?
Apr 17 17:23:22 <lcuk> this isnt a disaster
Apr 17 17:23:27 <javispedro> note the quotes ;)
Apr 17 17:23:31 <lcuk> its not cost lives
Apr 17 17:23:33 <lcuk> yup
Apr 17 17:23:36 <lcuk> very true tho
Apr 17 17:23:55 <Robot101> dneary: well you could always just go hang out in boston or something too :)
Apr 17 17:24:19 <dneary> Robot101, Do you know what compensation you're getting?
Apr 17 17:24:26 <dneary> Or is it "Suck it up"?
Apr 17 17:24:28 <ShadowJK> there was that jumbojet that flew through volcanic ash. All 4 engines stopped
Apr 17 17:24:40 <lcuk> ShadowJK, eep
Apr 17 17:24:44 <ShadowJK> "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress." the captain announced :)
Apr 17 17:25:06 <dneary> Therte is supposed to be hotel rooms, meals & compensation for cancelled flights
Apr 17 17:25:14 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: hmm. 747 - ~150 tons of fuel - so ~600 tons of air per engine stochiometrically - so ~3000 or so per engine  I guess at a bypass of 5:1
Apr 17 17:25:26 * javispedro flies without engines all the time in flight sim :) , but he also hasn't managed to land :(
Apr 17 17:25:29 <ShadowJK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9
Apr 17 17:25:47 * RST38h would not mind getting stuck in Boston
Apr 17 17:25:57 <RST38h> Actually, THAT happened before.
Apr 17 17:25:59 <RST38h> Oh well.
Apr 17 17:26:00 * ShadowJK has been practicing flying helicopter without engine in flightgear flightsim :-)
Apr 17 17:26:25 <javispedro> heh.
Apr 17 17:26:26 <lcuk> without an engine or turning the one you have off in midair
Apr 17 17:26:32 <lcuk> there is a distinct difference ;)
Apr 17 17:26:34 <GAN900> javispedro, heavies don't glide well. ;)
Apr 17 17:26:41 * MohammadAG freaking hates scratchbox sometimes
Apr 17 17:26:46 <MohammadAG> Git's broken in it
Apr 17 17:26:46 <GAN900> Stopped turbofans have a lot of drag.
Apr 17 17:26:58 <Stskeeps> dneary: you were at the lf collab summit too?
Apr 17 17:26:58 <ShadowJK> I can pretty reliably not-crash from engine failure above 500ft at any airspeed now :D
Apr 17 17:27:06 <dneary> Stskeeps, yeah
Apr 17 17:27:18 <dneary> Stskeeps, I wanted to be there for GNOME, and Meego
Apr 17 17:27:24 <javispedro> MohammadAG: mount --bind a dir inside scratchbox and use that as your projects dir; use external git and basically only do dpkg-buildpackage inside sbox.
Apr 17 17:27:27 <Stskeeps> dneary: good, even though it probably sucks to be stuck :P
Apr 17 17:28:02 <Stskeeps> what is really annoying is the fact you don't know anything 12 hours ahead
Apr 17 17:28:09 <dneary> Stskeeps, I wouldn't mind if I hadn't spent half an hour on hold
Apr 17 17:28:10 <lcuk> MohammadAG, ? git works in sb
Apr 17 17:28:14 <lcuk> theres a git toolkit thingy
Apr 17 17:28:17 <dneary> Rather, an hour
Apr 17 17:28:22 <MohammadAG> javispedro, I said Git was broken in it, which means it worked outside of sb :)
Apr 17 17:28:24 <dneary> I was going to go for a run this mornin
Apr 17 17:28:32 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it just gets to 7% and cuts the connection
Apr 17 17:28:45 <javispedro> MohammadAG: that's why I suggest you use external git...
Apr 17 17:28:50 <lcuk> is that a different problem?
Apr 17 17:29:01 * lcuk has no real issues with git 
Apr 17 17:29:05 <javispedro> I never experience that either...
Apr 17 17:29:06 <MohammadAG> javispedro, which I did before you suggested :)
Apr 17 17:29:23 <Robot101> dneary: not bothered trying to contact the airlines atm, just booked my plan B
Apr 17 17:29:32 <dneary> Ah
Apr 17 17:29:35 <dneary> Good call
Apr 17 17:29:49 <Robot101> dneary: can refund or claim on insurance I expect
Apr 17 17:29:58 <pupnik> i find it amusing that obviously intelligent people can'yt see the difference between flying into a dark cloud of volcanic ash, and flying in clear blue sky hundreds of km away.  immediately the reaction is "oh it is the government!  surely they know what they are doing!"
Apr 17 17:30:36 <lcuk> on a nice note about the #ashtag
Apr 17 17:30:43 <lcuk> blue skies have never looked prettier
Apr 17 17:30:54 <lcuk> no artificial lines
Apr 17 17:31:16 <pupnik> yeah i like
Apr 17 17:31:16 <RST38h> pupnik: Well, generally, pilots do know what they are doing
Apr 17 17:31:31 <Stskeeps> pupnik: http://bit.ly/bGHqN0 - take a look at how badly the ash is in finland and what it does to engines.
Apr 17 17:31:40 <Stskeeps> in finland, which is a fair stretch from the volcano.
Apr 17 17:32:34 <Stskeeps> they aren't really kidding with this stuff :P
Apr 17 17:32:47 <javispedro> if this is the case, expect MONTHS until anybody flies again
Apr 17 17:32:52 <Robot101> haha... "You've heard about Gordon Brown? When he heard about Iceland he wanted cash, but there's no 'c' in the Icelandic language, so we gave him ash."
Apr 17 17:32:53 <lcuk> ashcloud: serious business
Apr 17 17:33:02 <javispedro> it's not like they're going to disappear in an afternoon
Apr 17 17:33:07 <lcuk> lol Robot101
Apr 17 17:33:24 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: naah - it gets blown away and dispersed in a week or two at most if it stops
Apr 17 17:33:26 <Stskeeps> javispedro: it would be wise to buy stock in teleconferencing companies
Apr 17 17:33:32 <Stskeeps> SpeedEvil: -if it stops- :P
Apr 17 17:33:34 <Stskeeps> last time it was 2 yeas
Apr 17 17:33:36 <Stskeeps> years
Apr 17 17:33:58 <dneary> 40 minutes on hold, line just went dead
Apr 17 17:34:00 <dneary> Sucks
Apr 17 17:34:01 <lcuk> prop planes flying lower and slower
Apr 17 17:34:16 <lcuk> wipe them off at each airport
Apr 17 17:34:21 <lcuk> bish bash bosh
Apr 17 17:34:29 <dneary> pupnik, If you were an experienced pilot I might agree
Apr 17 17:34:38 * PhonicUK jumps up and down, waving his arms in the air
Apr 17 17:34:40 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i did wonder why not use prop planes and fly lower
Apr 17 17:34:47 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: as long as the air filter doesn't clog.
Apr 17 17:34:49 <dneary> pupnik, Or responsible for flight safety & air traffic control
Apr 17 17:34:52 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: If it does - oops.
Apr 17 17:35:05 <RST38h> Stskeeps: few left, lower capacity, pricier to operate
Apr 17 17:35:17 <ShadowJK> how low does the ash fly?
Apr 17 17:35:18 <lcuk> Stskeeps, there are some emergency flights out of the closed airports
Apr 17 17:35:28 <RST38h> ShadowJK: 10km or so, afaik
Apr 17 17:35:41 <SpeedEvil> Also - large jets _can_ fly just fine at 5km
Apr 17 17:35:42 <RST38h> ShadowJK: here at least
Apr 17 17:35:44 <lcuk> ShadowJK, it does not fly
Apr 17 17:35:50 <lcuk> its on my car!
Apr 17 17:35:51 <yabba> Yeah, our lovable railroad company VR is very happy, their tickets in one way costs more than two way fligh and I assume that if it takes 2 years... Thank god I own a car :p
Apr 17 17:35:59 <SpeedEvil> They are much slower, and not as economic though
Apr 17 17:36:01 <lcuk> its falling with style
Apr 17 17:36:06 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, the fuel consumption is a bit nasty though :)
Apr 17 17:36:08 <lcuk> yeah yabba
Apr 17 17:36:13 <pupnik> if the contention is: "volcanic ash at concentrations invisible to the unaided eye cause significant safety problems", show it
Apr 17 17:36:28 <lcuk> pupnik, buy a plane and fly
Apr 17 17:36:36 <javispedro> overclock the plane!
Apr 17 17:36:49 <lcuk> the groundings are not official govt blocks afaik, its decisions amongst companies for safety reasons
Apr 17 17:36:50 <RST38h> pupnik: google for photos of jet engines damaged by the ash?
Apr 17 17:36:58 <b-man> javispedro: how would you do that? xD
Apr 17 17:37:18 <lcuk> pupnik, easiest thing: just wait for the dust to settle
Apr 17 17:37:25 <lcuk> this whole thing will blow over in a few days
Apr 17 17:37:31 <lcuk> literally
Apr 17 17:37:31 <Stskeeps> pupnik: from the plane that tried it 'Despite the weather radar showing clear skies,'
Apr 17 17:37:45 <pupnik> RST38h: that is just an economic cost which travellers can choose to bear, or not.
Apr 17 17:37:50 <RST38h> On the other hand, any decent world conspiracy (tm) concerned with jet passengers seeing their City in the Sky would surely be able to fake those photos...
Apr 17 17:38:21 <ShadowJK> surely conspiracy theorists should be happy the chemtrail program has been suspended
Apr 17 17:38:54 <RST38h> You do know that the volcano eruption is nothing more than a smokescreen hiding the evil plot to build a SKY CITY and only let the sunlight pass when you pay monthly rent to the Man?
Apr 17 17:39:21 <javispedro> clearly.
Apr 17 17:39:31 <Stskeeps> RST38h: jesus is above the skies, let us not send up planes so people can see he's there!
Apr 17 17:39:48 <RST38h> Stskeeps: He is naked and we can't let people see his testicles!
Apr 17 17:40:18 * Trizt don't like when he pees on people
Apr 17 17:41:48 <RST38h> Trizt: you like his droppings better?
Apr 17 17:41:53 <javispedro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:747-ba9.png aha, simulated photos for your convenience! (or for the news broadcasters audience numbers convenience!)
Apr 17 17:42:20 <Trizt> RST38h; No, I just wish he went back to Pluto
Apr 17 17:42:41 <RST38h> javispedro: Notice the top secret field shielding being tested by British Scientists (tm)
Apr 17 17:44:17 <pupnik> programmers are at their funniest when talking science
Apr 17 17:46:00 <javispedro> RST38h: ash-shielding technology! conspiracy!
Apr 17 17:46:17 <dneary> A week
Apr 17 17:46:26 <dneary> Robot101, I'm here till next Saturday
Apr 17 17:50:18 <javispedro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:747-ba9.png#filehistory You gotta love the previous attempts.
Apr 17 17:51:16 <Stskeeps> the first one is an evil evil plane
Apr 17 17:52:53 * javispedro envisions a plane with eyes on fire and torches on the engines.... lemme fill this business plan.
Apr 17 17:53:48 <Stskeeps> javispedro: an airline for satanists
Apr 17 17:54:32 <pupnik> just goes to show how easily people will swallow nonsense
Apr 17 17:55:47 * RST38h wonders if the burnt smell in the air is due to icelandic ash or the usual
Apr 17 17:55:56 <joejoe> hi, i'we noticed that wholeday event is in calendar applet visible also next day after the event. is it known bug?
Apr 17 17:56:17 <javispedro> ... or the usual modern laptop burning?
Apr 17 17:56:41 <RST38h> laptop is behaving itself lately
Apr 17 17:56:52 <RST38h> probably knows that it is gonna be replaced soon =(
Apr 17 17:57:24 * javispedro watches his laptop "remains" on the shelf and wonders when I'll get a new one.
Apr 17 17:58:47 <SpeedEvil> 'G-BDXH also entered the Guinness Book of Records as the  longest glide in a non-purpose-built aircraft, ' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9
Apr 17 17:58:56 <SpeedEvil> not I guess a record you try for. :)
Apr 17 18:00:18 <pupnik> anyone gotten their hands on a lenovo x100e yet?  might be worth the price imo
Apr 17 18:00:37 <lcuk> if you think its bad now, imagine how many cpu fans are going to be clogged by volcano dust
Apr 17 18:02:00 * yabba hears some evil noise from laptop already
Apr 17 18:02:42 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: #thinkpad
Apr 17 18:04:02 <RST38h> Forget the fans, think of the lung cancer
Apr 17 18:04:21 <javispedro> naturally caused lung cancer => mindbreaker
Apr 17 18:05:51 <Robot101> dneary: ouch, that's the next flight they could give you?
Apr 17 18:05:57 <dneary> Yeah
Apr 17 18:06:04 <RST38h> javispedro: for the best marketability, it has to be caused by organic entities. Ash does not qualify
Apr 17 18:06:09 <dneary> You might have done the right thing reserving back-ups
Apr 17 18:06:44 <dneary> Robot101, The AF person said that hotels & compensation would not be paid unless they were made to - because it's not the airline's fault
Apr 17 18:07:08 <Robot101> yeah, something of a force majeure
Apr 17 18:07:20 <Robot101> travel insurance jobbie methinks
Apr 17 18:07:22 <RST38h> dneary: yea, airlines really like saying that nowadays
Apr 17 18:07:28 <RST38h> act of god
Apr 17 18:08:15 <N900evil_> a lot of sheep died last eruption
Apr 17 18:08:41 <N900evil_> sheep do nolt cope well with flouride from ash in their diet
Apr 17 18:08:41 <sheepbat> awww...
Apr 17 18:10:20 <dneary> Sucks
Apr 17 18:10:59 <dneary> I'm debating whether to move hotels for the week, stay in the city or go to Palo Alto/Mountain View, work, do a bit o' tourism, etc
Apr 17 18:19:48 <LiraNuna> ssvb, there?
Apr 17 18:19:48 <lcuk> sheepbat, N900evil_ on the upside, icelanders appreciate a good woolen jumper
Apr 17 18:20:30 <HektoR> hi guys... how can i open terminal windows in nokia n810 ??
Apr 17 18:20:40 <Stskeeps> HektoR: there's a 'x-terminal' icon
Apr 17 18:20:45 <ssvb> LiraNuna: yep
Apr 17 18:20:56 <pupnik> HektoR: click terminal top menu, "new"
Apr 17 18:21:07 <LiraNuna> ssvb, can you explain how the vbtl instruction work?
Apr 17 18:21:21 * noobmonk3y blinks
Apr 17 18:21:32 <LiraNuna> is it for 64bit registers only?
Apr 17 18:23:46 <HektoR> Stskeeps: there is nothing like this :(
Apr 17 18:23:56 <Stskeeps> HektoR: that's kinda odd, it's under Utilities
Apr 17 18:24:06 <Stskeeps> HektoR: reflash your device if it's not there
Apr 17 18:24:30 <ssvb> LiraNuna: yes, the destination register is 64-bit, but it can lookup for bytes in a set of four 64-bit source registers, and another 64-bit register is used as index
Apr 17 18:24:55 <LiraNuna> ssvb, so I need 2 loopups for a float32x4
Apr 17 18:25:02 <HektoR> Stskeeps: i just bought this device... and can you give some manual links ?
Apr 17 18:25:39 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 17 18:25:56 <ssvb> LiraNuna: yes, generally if you can avoid vtbl instruction then it is better to do it
Apr 17 18:26:20 <LiraNuna> are they slow?
Apr 17 18:26:32 <Stskeeps> HektoR:
Apr 17 18:26:33 <Stskeeps> ~flashing
Apr 17 18:26:34 <infobot> [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 17 18:26:46 <noobmonk3y> HektoR, # Click the four-blocks icon and choose "Utilities".
Apr 17 18:26:46 <noobmonk3y> # Scroll to the bottom of the list and select "Xterm".
Apr 17 18:26:53 <noobmonk3y> oh , thought he just needed xterm lol
Apr 17 18:27:53 <PhonicUK> how can i play an mp3 from the command line?
Apr 17 18:28:01 <MohammadAG> play-sound something.mp3
Apr 17 18:28:03 <MohammadAG> I think
Apr 17 18:28:08 <HektoR> noobmonk3y: yes but there is now xterm
Apr 17 18:28:27 <noobmonk3y> oh
Apr 17 18:28:31 <noobmonk3y> well you got me stumped :P
Apr 17 18:28:42 <PhonicUK> ca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): File or data corrupt
Apr 17 18:28:44 * noobmonk3y has never seen an N810
Apr 17 18:28:46 <PhonicUK> nope that didn't wor
Apr 17 18:28:48 <PhonicUK> *work
Apr 17 18:28:53 <HektoR> :D
Apr 17 18:28:57 <ssvb> LiraNuna: each one of them takes 2 or 3 cycles (depending on the size of register list to lookup), cycle timing information is available in cortex-a8 trm
Apr 17 18:29:13 <LiraNuna> where's that?
Apr 17 18:29:24 <LiraNuna> oh, oh, "TRM"
Apr 17 18:31:04 <supertramp> guys - what are best parameters for ext3 fs on mmc card?
Apr 17 18:32:08 <supertramp> I'd like to have journal and use microsd card - and don't know what ext3 params are needed for perf & stability
Apr 17 18:32:59 <supertramp> so far I disabled: noatime,nodirtime ...
Apr 17 18:33:40 <ssvb> LiraNuna: what kind of shuffle operation do you need? many of them can be typically done in some other way
Apr 17 18:33:52 <LiraNuna> ssvb, like SSE's
Apr 17 18:34:02 <LiraNuna> I want to move 4 floats around
Apr 17 18:34:25 <LiraNuna> including duplication
Apr 17 18:34:27 <ssvb> LiraNuna: according to some regular pattern, or totally random?
Apr 17 18:34:33 <LiraNuna> totally random
Apr 17 18:34:34 <HektoR> Stskeeps: do i need internet connection on device for flashing ?
Apr 17 18:34:42 <LiraNuna> I'm porting over my SSE math library to NEON
Apr 17 18:35:11 <LiraNuna> ssvb, my math library supports .xxyz = .wwzz and other wicked stuff
Apr 17 18:35:18 <Stskeeps> HektoR: no
Apr 17 18:36:38 <ssvb> LiraNuna: one the other hand, vtbl can dual issue with ALU instructions, so with clever scheduling you can compensate its slowness
Apr 17 18:37:18 <LiraNuna> ssvb, usually I add/mul after a shuffle
Apr 17 18:38:21 <LiraNuna> ssvb, cross product is a very fine example of it
Apr 17 18:38:28 <ssvb> LiraNuna: if this add/mul does not use the result of this shuffle, then they can dual issue happily
Apr 17 18:38:47 <LiraNuna> oh I see
Apr 17 18:39:01 <LiraNuna> ssvb, http://pastie.org/private/z2suqbd83ghexdbzfcrdw
Apr 17 18:39:18 <LiraNuna> "vec4" is my SSE wrapper class
Apr 17 18:39:52 <LiraNuna> they are all floats
Apr 17 18:40:01 <LiraNuna> (float32x4_t in neon intrinsics)
Apr 17 18:40:46 <ssvb> LiraNuna: such operation alone usually does not perform good, it is too small to be vectorized
Apr 17 18:41:12 <ssvb> LiraNuna: processing multiple vectors in parrallel is much better, if this can be done of course
Apr 17 18:43:20 <LiraNuna> ssvb, surely it's faster than non-parallel version
Apr 17 18:44:53 <ssvb> LiraNuna: yes, but most likely still up to several times slower than properly optimized version
Apr 17 18:45:20 <LiraNuna> I understand that
Apr 17 18:57:38 <Robot101> pupnik: looks like they're testing - 19:43 <+Calamarain> tc: We won't be back in time for that
Apr 17 18:57:41 <Robot101> 19:43 <+Calamarain> But something in the evening is feasible
Apr 17 18:57:44 <Robot101> 19:44 <+Calamarain> We're right on the edge - we can see Wales from here
Apr 17 18:57:46 <Robot101> 19:54 <+tc> http://newsolio.com/klm705-test-flight-over-europe-to-test-ash-from-iceland-volcano,9436 wonder if they're getting paid
Apr 17 18:57:50 <Robot101> that was more than I intended to paste
Apr 17 18:58:01 <Robot101> http://newsolio.com/klm705-test-flight-over-europe-to-test-ash-from-iceland-volcano,9436 being the relevant bit :)
Apr 17 18:58:18 <Stskeeps> Robot101: probably as crazy as the finnish air force pilots
Apr 17 18:58:27 <ssvb> LiraNuna: btw, there is also vtrn instruction, it may help in some cases (matrix transpose)
Apr 17 18:59:01 <LiraNuna> transpose only swaps pairs, right?
Apr 17 18:59:27 <LiraNuna> similar to SSE's _MM_TRANSPOSE
Apr 17 19:02:40 <pupnik> ty Robot101 !
Apr 17 19:20:09 <NuD1t7> hmm 3h idle n900 and battery has dropped from fully charged to 80%
Apr 17 19:20:37 <MohammadAG> that's a good thing
Apr 17 19:20:50 <pupnik> "fully charged" by mwhat measure?
Apr 17 19:21:07 <NuD1t7> well it claimed to be "full"
Apr 17 19:23:10 <pupnik> ok
Apr 17 19:23:28 <pupnik> i doubt it was idle then
Apr 17 19:24:14 <NuD1t7> well no wlan or 3g internet-connection .. no sms or calls ... no gpu-active widget etc
Apr 17 19:24:32 * FauxFaux is still suitably amused by Battery Graph (http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/battgraph2.png).
Apr 17 19:24:44 <NuD1t7> there is only one cpu-spike
Apr 17 19:26:20 <HektoR> Stskeeps: hey.... i just flashed it and it works :) thank you
Apr 17 19:26:39 <Stskeeps> HektoR: good :)
Apr 17 19:28:24 <lcuk> FauxFaux, new install, or changed your system date?
Apr 17 19:28:46 <FauxFaux> New device.
Apr 17 19:34:30 <dmj7261> Hi, VDVsx.  I'm curious what kind of response Maemo got for GSoC?
Apr 17 19:35:10 <VDVsx> dmj7261, a lot of proposals, see my blog post about that
Apr 17 19:35:52 <lcuk> batterygraph did not retain my history after backup/reflash/restore
Apr 17 19:36:07 <dmj7261> just googled your blog...that's a lot.
Apr 17 19:36:30 <dmj7261> Hopefully a  lot of really good ones. :)
Apr 17 19:38:13 <VDVsx> dmj7261, yeah a lot of good ones for few slots :(
Apr 17 19:38:24 <dmj7261> How many did Maemo get?
Apr 17 19:51:54 * noobmonk3y wants the promote button to appear grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Apr 17 19:52:52 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, battery eye did keep my history after backup flash restore :D
Apr 17 19:55:53 * noobmonk3y grumbles!
Apr 17 19:56:11 * dmj7261 just discovered a whole bunch of image processing code designed for scanning books with cameras.
Apr 17 19:56:45 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, o_O you are correct
Apr 17 19:57:23 <lcuk> batterygraph DID keep my settings
Apr 17 19:57:32 <lcuk> it was my date which was off!
Apr 17 19:57:56 <noobmonk3y> :P
Apr 17 19:58:08 * noobmonk3y has no promote button :( :(
Apr 17 19:58:34 * lcuk promotes noobmonk3y 
Apr 17 19:59:24 * noobmonk3y feels ever so slightly promoted :P
Apr 17 20:01:51 * noobmonk3y thinks X-Fade is sleeping on the servers again ;) 
Apr 17 20:01:57 <noobmonk3y> might be dribbing on them :(
Apr 17 20:06:56 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, healthcheck lacks graphics
Apr 17 20:11:00 <noobmonk3y> yup!
Apr 17 20:11:25 <noobmonk3y> brb gotta head home, back in 30
Apr 17 20:14:36 <ColdFyre> isn't there a new maemo update for the n900 expected soooooon?
Apr 17 20:14:45 <kuriiri> no
Apr 17 20:15:00 <_llll_> depends what you mean by "soon"
Apr 17 20:15:29 <yabba> At december 2012
Apr 17 20:15:51 <N900evil_> I expect one wednesday.
Apr 17 20:16:03 <N900evil_> I am often dissapointed though.
Apr 17 20:16:11 <tmr1> arrrggh, cant get sound works, damn
Apr 17 20:21:43 <Arkenoi> quite funny, my phone lasted 4 hours with battery showing zero bars and 5mAh, while networked and occasionally used interactively
Apr 17 20:24:02 <javispedro> I've seen that.
Apr 17 20:24:02 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: It really does use very little power when idle and powersaving wifi
Apr 17 20:24:57 <PhonicUK> has anyone used their N900 as a vnc server?
Apr 17 20:26:19 <yabba> btw, is there any program (not overclocking) or way to put that wifi totaly off? Because I don't need it :P
Apr 17 20:26:35 <nid0> wifi switcher
Apr 17 20:26:50 <yabba> Ok, thanks :)
Apr 17 20:28:17 <SpeedEvil> ifconfig wlan0 down
Apr 17 20:29:18 <SpeedEvil> Wifi logged into a powersaving router uses under .2% of battery per hour
Apr 17 20:29:39 <SpeedEvil> (additional)
Apr 17 20:30:22 <nid0> personally I find the power usage *way* higher than that
Apr 17 20:30:33 <SpeedEvil> powersaving router
Apr 17 20:30:37 <nid0> check
Apr 17 20:30:40 <inkbottle> Hi, is a sim-card inserted in the n900 mandatory to be able to connect through the wifi? :)
Apr 17 20:30:40 <SpeedEvil> on a non powersaving one, it's way higher
Apr 17 20:30:41 <nid0> still way more than that
Apr 17 20:30:58 <nid0> inkbottle, no
Apr 17 20:30:58 <SpeedEvil> nid0: that is a total power use of ~10mA with it logged in but idle.
Apr 17 20:31:25 <nid0> doesnt seem to be on my powersaving router
Apr 17 20:31:36 <nid0> never has been
Apr 17 20:31:59 <SpeedEvil> nid0: what latency do you get over ssh sessions - and is your cpu hitting idle over 50% of the time?
Apr 17 20:32:04 <SpeedEvil> nid0: - powertop
Apr 17 20:32:10 <javispedro> imo it's something like 0.7% of battery per wi-fi hour
Apr 17 20:32:29 <javispedro> make it ~1%
Apr 17 20:32:48 <SpeedEvil> nid0: that is additional ~1mA with wifi on
Apr 17 20:32:52 <SpeedEvil> for me anyway
Apr 17 20:32:52 <nid0> I find on this device having wifi on but (mostly) idle my battery life is roughly halved compared to just switching wifi off when not in use
Apr 17 20:33:04 <SpeedEvil> what do you mean by mostly
Apr 17 20:33:14 <SpeedEvil> xchat uses 30mA as it wakes the cpu up a lot
Apr 17 20:33:26 <nid0> well as in the phone getting light use, maybe an hour of active wifi use a day
Apr 17 20:33:29 <inkbottle> nid0: then... I can connect to my own wifi with a debian's laptop, but there is always error with the phone (so far i don't have a sim card to put in it) (i try sth else...)
Apr 17 20:33:30 <SpeedEvil> k
Apr 17 20:34:30 <nid0> this is on the same router for which symbian phones with wifi enabled and idle have no noticeable extra increase in power consumption atall over wifi off entirely, so the router's powersaving support clearly works fine
Apr 17 20:35:25 <SpeedEvil> nid0: well - mine works. I guess there are still some oddities.
Apr 17 20:35:46 <SpeedEvil> nid0: what latency do you see pinging the device?
Apr 17 20:35:57 <SpeedEvil> nid0: I get a maximum of ~300ms or so.
Apr 17 20:36:16 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: oh, and your average latency?
Apr 17 20:36:24 <SpeedEvil> 150
Apr 17 20:36:25 * Arkenoi never seen any symbian phone lasting more than two days while connected. n900 can do *in theory*, actually you just never have it idling for two days ;-)
Apr 17 20:36:56 <SpeedEvil> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9013ms
Apr 17 20:36:57 <SpeedEvil> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 44.190/130.087/210.439/56.597 ms
Apr 17 20:37:03 <nid0> well with wifi connected but powersaving kicked in, it usually wont kick in atall until I actively use the wifi from the device first, my latency when it's active isnt bad, ill check it shortly though, girlfriend stole it to play blubbels atm
Apr 17 20:37:08 <javispedro> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 207.945/343.951/499.086/84.836 ms
Apr 17 20:37:16 <javispedro> (out of 12 packets)
Apr 17 20:37:54 <nid0> Arkenoi: e90 lasts about 6 days with no wifi connection for me
Apr 17 20:38:02 <nid0> or like 5 and 3/4 days with wifi enabled and idle
Apr 17 20:38:20 * noobmonk3y curses the lack of promote button :(
Apr 17 20:38:27 <FauxFaux> If your wifi is idle you obviously don't have enough e-mail accounts.
Apr 17 20:38:35 <javispedro> n900 lasts 4 days with wi-fi + skype (I guess I won't ever get tired of repeating it ;P )
Apr 17 20:38:45 <nid0> when my phone is in range of my wifi router, its because I am too
Apr 17 20:38:55 <nid0> which means im also in range of both my workstation and my tablet
Apr 17 20:38:59 <nid0> both of which receive my mail
Apr 17 20:39:04 <nid0> no need for my n900 to as well
Apr 17 20:39:18 <_llll_> wifi-switcher is useful
Apr 17 20:39:19 <SpeedEvil> nid0: can you connect to the e90 from outside?
Apr 17 20:39:24 <nid0> yep
Apr 17 20:39:28 <ShadowJK> one email account on automatic check disqualifies yourself from using the words wifi, 3g or 2g together in the same sentence with the word 'idle' :P
Apr 17 20:39:29 <FauxFaux> Yeah, but it's supposed to download the e-mail for you to read on your way places.
Apr 17 20:39:41 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: no, it doesn't.
Apr 17 20:39:42 <yabba> Oh god damn it, I installed that wifi switcher and put wifi of, then I was Damn update... but wrong, it was just icon :(
Apr 17 20:39:57 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: for wifi - it goes to sleep _very_ fast if powersave is implemented right
Apr 17 20:39:57 <luke-jr> ShadowJK: automatic check is a bug :)
Apr 17 20:40:00 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, dude this is modest we're tlaking about ;)
Apr 17 20:40:04 <javispedro> SpeedEvil++, my test was done with two email accounts set to 30 minutes...
Apr 17 20:40:19 <PhonicUK> is there a way of turning off the N900 screen without VNC sessions going blank?
Apr 17 20:40:39 <SpeedEvil> The more powerconsuming bit seems to be the CPU taking some time to go back to idle state.
Apr 17 20:40:39 <nid0> 4 days with wifi and skype enabled, need :(
Apr 17 20:40:50 <nid0> I just about get 3 with wifi switcher used and light usage
Apr 17 20:40:58 <ToJa92> [PhonicUK]: You could always set the screen brightness to zero
Apr 17 20:41:07 <ToJa92> dont remember what file the brightness is in though
Apr 17 20:41:10 <SpeedEvil> ToJa92: that still uses a fair bit of power
Apr 17 20:41:21 <javispedro> due to the way x11vnc works it's a waste of power either way
Apr 17 20:41:21 <SpeedEvil> ToJa92: indeed - lowest rung isn't much different from 'zero'
Apr 17 20:41:47 <PhonicUK> works for me
Apr 17 20:41:48 <javispedro> PhonicUK: X11 should work fine with screen off -- I know it's less convenient but also more battery friendly
Apr 17 20:42:17 <PhonicUK> as soon as i turn the screen off the remote sesion blanks out
Apr 17 20:42:29 <javispedro> yes, due to the way x11vnc works.
Apr 17 20:42:32 <inkbottle> how do i know the mac address of the n900?
Apr 17 20:42:41 <PhonicUK> inkbottle, run iwconfig as root
Apr 17 20:42:49 <javispedro> PhonicUK: sorry, by "X11" I meant "X11 redirection" alone, no VNC.
Apr 17 20:42:55 <PhonicUK> ah
Apr 17 20:43:33 <inkbottle> PhonicUK: :) how do i know the pass words?
Apr 17 20:43:38 <PhonicUK> ?
Apr 17 20:43:45 <PhonicUK> you don't need to
Apr 17 20:43:48 <nid0> noobmonk3y, find your promote buttons :(
Apr 17 20:43:54 <PhonicUK> you need to install the gainroot package
Apr 17 20:43:54 <noobmonk3y> nope :(
Apr 17 20:44:02 <javispedro> inkbottle: you also can go to control panel and click "about my device"
Apr 17 20:44:18 <inkbottle> javispedro, i going to try that
Apr 17 20:44:52 <_llll_> mac addr is listed in settings somewhere too
Apr 17 20:45:19 <javispedro> "about my device", "about this product", dunno how it's translated.
Apr 17 20:45:41 <nid0> you shoulda got a promote button half an hour ago :<
Apr 17 20:47:30 <noobmonk3y> yeah :(
Apr 17 20:47:34 <noobmonk3y> its just not there :(
Apr 17 20:47:51 <nid0> maybe its every half an hour at quarter past and to, in which case it woulda shown up 2 mins ago? :>
Apr 17 20:47:52 <lcuk2> ash cloud?
Apr 17 20:48:07 <javispedro> ash cloud is prevent travel of packages from -devel to -testing
Apr 17 20:48:11 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 17 20:48:11 <javispedro> *ting
Apr 17 20:48:36 * noobmonk3y blames lcuk2 for the ash cloud.... he's been brewing it for a while!
Apr 17 20:49:07 <noobmonk3y> nid0, maybe it hasn't met all requirements?
Apr 17 20:49:50 <nid0> I cant see what, you had 3 tester thumbs ups in about 2 hours, you got 10 karma, its been 10 days, has a bugtracker, description, and dependancies
Apr 17 20:50:21 <noobmonk3y> :P maybe it's the hidden test script, the one that says if it is called healthcheck, to just leave it festering? ;)
Apr 17 20:50:22 <SpeedEvil> nid0: Have you sacrificed the virgin?
Apr 17 20:50:33 <noobmonk3y> darn, knew i forgot something
Apr 17 20:50:38 <nid0> she wasnt a virgin when I was done with her :(
Apr 17 20:50:39 <noobmonk3y> where is MohammadAG when you need him ;)
Apr 17 20:50:51 * GAN900 is pretty sure the Nexus One is magic
Apr 17 20:51:08 <lcuk> "magic"
Apr 17 20:51:10 <lcuk> ?
Apr 17 20:51:15 <javispedro> hah! the dark side of the force is among us!
Apr 17 20:51:19 <GAN900> Somehow it keeps getting new email with no WiFi and no SIM
Apr 17 20:51:26 <GAN900> It also magically sucks ass
Apr 17 20:51:34 <lcuk> "i've been turned on for 4 hours now"
Apr 17 20:51:35 <GAN900> (as Myrtti will surely inform you)
Apr 17 20:51:51 <lcuk> outlook express used to send you mails
Apr 17 20:52:56 <GAN900> Just weird
Apr 17 20:53:08 <noobmonk3y> GAN900, can it promoted my app to extras, whilst it is being so useful please? :D
Apr 17 20:53:13 <MohammadAG> lurking?
Apr 17 20:53:42 * javispedro counts the number of virgins GAN will have to offer in sacrifice to return to the path of light after his unblessed experiments with the dark side
Apr 17 20:53:53 * MohammadAG pings noobmonk3y 
Apr 17 20:54:09 <VDVsx> GAN900, enjoying your new device ? cough traitor cough :D
Apr 17 20:54:26 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 17 20:54:50 * noobmonk3y farts
Apr 17 20:55:30 <noobmonk3y> hmmm maybe it wont let me promote if another one is already in downloads?
Apr 17 20:55:31 * VDVsx lights a match in the room :D
Apr 17 20:55:38 <noobmonk3y> (Shouldnt be the case though.......)
Apr 17 20:55:40 * MohammadAG leaves
Apr 17 20:55:43 * javispedro ducks
Apr 17 20:55:44 <inkbottle> So now I am connected (i have the little icon); but it fails connecting to an address, even one i give it the ip address (so fare i can't ping or what ever)
Apr 17 20:55:45 <MohammadAG> LOL
Apr 17 20:56:06 <noobmonk3y> javispedro, mallards?
Apr 17 20:56:14 * MohammadAG heard an explosion
Apr 17 20:57:16 <javispedro> noobmonk3y: as in "duck and cover", you unlawful person that made me check wiktionary.
Apr 17 20:57:25 <noobmonk3y> lol!!!
Apr 17 20:57:43 * noobmonk3y checks the dictionary for wiktionary........ nope, got me there
Apr 17 21:00:55 * lcuk facepalms
Apr 17 21:01:56 <PhonicUK> Qt Creator + VNC = awesome :D
Apr 17 21:02:00 * javispedro ponders if GAN was abducted because he discovered that the Nexus One is powered by magic
Apr 17 21:02:15 <VDVsx> lol
Apr 17 21:02:59 * VDVsx imagines GAN, texrat and Quim with N1 :D
Apr 17 21:03:21 <lcuk> which machine to which
Apr 17 21:03:27 <frals> my exchange server has now started moving all mails containing "fmms" to "Junk Mail"
Apr 17 21:03:55 <VDVsx> frals, M$ tech what do you expect ? :D
Apr 17 21:04:00 <noobmonk3y> lol frals!
Apr 17 21:04:33 * lcuk hits frals with a hammer
Apr 17 21:04:34 <lcuk> errr
Apr 17 21:04:38 * lcuk hits frals server with a hammer
Apr 17 21:04:59 <MohammadAG> server fixed, now who's gonna fix frals cause of you
Apr 17 21:05:00 * noobmonk3y hits maemo autobuilder with a hammer..... and if that fails i will hit it with lcuk 
Apr 17 21:05:19 <GAN900> VDVsx, pfft, sitting in my backpack.
Apr 17 21:05:22 <lcuk> MohammadAG, you!
Apr 17 21:05:36 * MohammadAG hits frals with another hammer
Apr 17 21:05:47 * frals feels like a nail
Apr 17 21:05:56 <MohammadAG> FIXED!!
Apr 17 21:06:22 <lcuk> i let jake use the hammer the other day to bash a hole in a coconut
Apr 17 21:06:30 <noobmonk3y> frals, hows the ash cloud going over there? :P
Apr 17 21:06:35 <lcuk> so i was stood there with hand on the screwdriver into the hole
Apr 17 21:06:41 <javispedro> frals: wild guess: all of your previous received messages containing "fmms" were all spam-like? =)
Apr 17 21:06:44 <MohammadAG> lcuk, what happened to the hammer?
Apr 17 21:06:47 <lcuk> mails sent to spam -> blame it on the ash cloud
Apr 17 21:07:12 <MohammadAG> mails sent to spam -> blame it on the ash cloud -> blame Iceland
Apr 17 21:07:13 <lcuk> MohammadAG, it contacted my hand a few times
Apr 17 21:07:30 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 17 21:07:30 <lcuk> not at all
Apr 17 21:07:35 * VDVsx blames lcuk for the ash cloud
Apr 17 21:07:35 <lcuk> iceland did nothing wrong
Apr 17 21:07:42 <javispedro> Google has too much money =)
Apr 17 21:07:48 <MohammadAG> it had a volcano in it
Apr 17 21:07:53 <MohammadAG> or under it
Apr 17 21:07:55 <lcuk> why javispedro ?
Apr 17 21:08:12 <javispedro> lcuk: they ship nexus one's like crazy
Apr 17 21:08:19 <frals> javispedro: :D
Apr 17 21:08:54 <GAN900> VDVsx, seriously, though, eBay!
Apr 17 21:08:57 <javispedro> I once posted here that my uni "talked" about doing an android programming optional course... google's answer: 30 N1s. before the course contents were decided.
Apr 17 21:09:31 <VDVsx> lol
Apr 17 21:10:10 <VDVsx> they are giving N1 everywhere, probably from the series that have a lot of issues :D
Apr 17 21:10:18 <GAN900> Haha
Apr 17 21:10:29 <VDVsx> 3g issues and battery
Apr 17 21:10:31 <javispedro> GAN900: don't say that too loud, it's probably against google's own guidelines
Apr 17 21:10:52 <GAN900> Well, bergie's N1 booted to the bootloader with "Firmware not found" because the battery was low.
Apr 17 21:11:00 <javispedro> heh
Apr 17 21:11:01 <GAN900> javispedro, box is retail, so, meh. :P
Apr 17 21:11:45 <VDVsx> GAN900, did you sign anything ?
Apr 17 21:12:43 <GAN900> VDVsx, nope.
Apr 17 21:12:47 <javispedro> GAN900: if the plan was ebaying it, just by opening it you already lost a few $$$ =)
Apr 17 21:13:01 <GAN900> VDVsx, checked my name against a list and snipped a corner off my nametag
Apr 17 21:13:10 <GAN900> javispedro, yeah, well, it was free.
Apr 17 21:13:21 <javispedro> ah, so they didn't throw them at the audience among massive confusion and panic.
Apr 17 21:13:22 <GAN900> I wanted to play with it.
Apr 17 21:13:46 <VDVsx> GAN900, is the browser any good ?
Apr 17 21:14:06 <MohammadAG> VDVsx, you don't own an N900?
Apr 17 21:14:07 <GAN900> javispedro, the Google guy almost hit me in the head with a "Fork You" shirt during Q&A while I was watching somebody ask a question in back.
Apr 17 21:14:13 * VDVsx has to request the milestone  to play a bit
Apr 17 21:14:20 <GAN900> VDVsx, not compared to MicroB
Apr 17 21:14:26 <MohammadAG> oh nvm
Apr 17 21:14:38 <VDVsx> MohammadAG, yes, 2 actually :D
Apr 17 21:14:42 <GAN900> VDVsx, pretty comparable to the iPhone overall
Apr 17 21:14:56 <GAN900> VDVsx, you don't own that RX-51!
Apr 17 21:15:05 <MohammadAG> I hate how the iPhone got 100/100 on the acid3 test
Apr 17 21:15:07 <javispedro> android seems to be attracting quite a lot of wince/winmob users, curiously.
Apr 17 21:15:09 * noobmonk3y wonders if the iphone is so great, could it fix the autobuilder and give me a promote button? :P hehe
Apr 17 21:15:09 <GAN900> VDVsx, says so under the battery. :P
Apr 17 21:15:16 <VDVsx> GAN900, true
Apr 17 21:15:19 <VDVsx> is not mine
Apr 17 21:15:23 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, no, it can't do two things at once
Apr 17 21:15:27 <VDVsx> same for the other one
Apr 17 21:15:27 <noobmonk3y> lol!
Apr 17 21:15:29 <noobmonk3y> also a good point
Apr 17 21:16:03 * noobmonk3y may have to pinch X-Fade till he gives the autobuilder mouth to mouth...... seems like the only option
Apr 17 21:16:13 <javispedro> noobmonk3y: waiit until monday
Apr 17 21:16:19 <GAN900> Weird thing about the OLED is that the pixels are non-square
Apr 17 21:16:22 <noobmonk3y> :(
Apr 17 21:16:23 <GAN900> more like triangular
Apr 17 21:16:33 <GAN900> so all the shapes have rough edges.
Apr 17 21:16:38 <GAN900> weird
Apr 17 21:16:39 <PhonicUK> thats freaky
Apr 17 21:16:43 <noobmonk3y> the words noobmonk3y and wait..... in the same sentence?! - i just waited 10 days!!!!!
Apr 17 21:16:47 <VDVsx> iPhone browser suck so much, I can properly visit most of my favorite websites
Apr 17 21:16:54 <VDVsx> *can't
Apr 17 21:16:55 <GAN900> Plus it's really freaking oversaturated.
Apr 17 21:16:56 <javispedro> heh
Apr 17 21:17:02 <PhonicUK> iCan't
Apr 17 21:17:20 <javispedro> I can properly visit all of my websites! outrageous! where's the pain in that???
Apr 17 21:17:25 * javispedro goes hug his n810
Apr 17 21:17:33 * PhonicUK hugs his N900 :D
Apr 17 21:17:39 <PhonicUK> cheap OLED displays look really nasty
Apr 17 21:17:48 * noobmonk3y can see all websites fine on the n900 (that i need too) except t.m.o.. .. and even that isnt too annoying
Apr 17 21:17:53 <ShadowJK> GAN900, on nexus one? It has less blue and red pixels than green pixels
Apr 17 21:18:03 <PhonicUK> ITV Player doesn't work too well
Apr 17 21:18:10 <PhonicUK> iPlayer and 4oD work fine though
Apr 17 21:18:19 <VDVsx> I think is ok if you live in the US, since they have website versions for the iPhone, but otherwise is a piece of shit :D
Apr 17 21:18:38 <SpeedEvil> iplayer works fine?
Apr 17 21:18:43 <PhonicUK> yup
Apr 17 21:18:47 <SpeedEvil> it's completely broken here
Apr 17 21:18:48 <noobmonk3y> yeah on the big screen version
Apr 17 21:18:52 <SpeedEvil> ~2fps
Apr 17 21:18:56 <PhonicUK> you can't use the bigscreen version
Apr 17 21:18:57 <noobmonk3y> SpeedEvil, did you follow the tmo walkthrough?
Apr 17 21:18:59 <SpeedEvil> and video doesn't keep up with audio
Apr 17 21:19:01 <PhonicUK> you have to use console mode
Apr 17 21:19:05 <noobmonk3y> anyway, downloader works fine
Apr 17 21:19:16 <PhonicUK> speed evil, got your device to hand? ill show you how its done
Apr 17 21:19:16 <SpeedEvil> n00?
Apr 17 21:19:20 <PhonicUK> you'd so easily miss it
Apr 17 21:19:21 <PhonicUK> 900
Apr 17 21:19:30 <SpeedEvil> as it happens, yes
Apr 17 21:19:31 * noobmonk3y listens intently
Apr 17 21:19:41 * Xisdibik watches noobmonk3y listen intently
Apr 17 21:19:50 <lcuk> ~iplayer
Apr 17 21:19:53 <PhonicUK> ok gentlemen, take your device and visit the *normal* iplayer page
Apr 17 21:19:58 <noobmonk3y> done
Apr 17 21:20:01 * javispedro shouts NO FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH
Apr 17 21:20:09 * Xisdibik flashes javispedro :O
Apr 17 21:20:11 <n900-dk> How to show what options that a program have been compiled with afterwards? Like after you have been doing './configure --someoptions"
Apr 17 21:20:15 <lcuk> doctor who!
Apr 17 21:20:16 <PhonicUK> find whatever it is you want to watch, im going to use "Doctor Who"
Apr 17 21:20:22 <PhonicUK> and click it as normal
Apr 17 21:20:30 <pupnik> browser guys!  could we have a faster way to enable/disable flash? thx!
Apr 17 21:20:31 <noobmonk3y> dr who it is done
Apr 17 21:20:38 <PhonicUK> gimme 1 mo while mine loads
Apr 17 21:20:52 <PhonicUK> ok so you're at the bit where you can click play, don't do so
Apr 17 21:20:54 <lcuk> pupnik, a binary flash shim would be ideal for me
Apr 17 21:20:56 <noobmonk3y> yup
Apr 17 21:21:04 <lcuk> a click to play, but done using speed of binary plugin
Apr 17 21:21:15 <PhonicUK> look in the iPlayer flash window, in the bottom right
Apr 17 21:21:18 <PhonicUK> there are 3 buttons
Apr 17 21:21:26 <PhonicUK> Volume, Pop-out and Full Screen
Apr 17 21:21:29 <PhonicUK> click on Pop-out
Apr 17 21:21:32 <noobmonk3y> k
Apr 17 21:21:56 <PhonicUK> which will open in a new window
Apr 17 21:22:01 <noobmonk3y> yup
Apr 17 21:22:22 <noobmonk3y> actually that plays fine, but shit quality!
Apr 17 21:22:52 <PhonicUK> its better quality than the shitty iPlayer app for symbian
Apr 17 21:22:57 <VDVsx> pupnik, I think there's a plugin for fennec at least(not sure about microB)
Apr 17 21:22:57 <PhonicUK> and it works over 3G :)
Apr 17 21:23:07 <noobmonk3y> good point on the 3g
Apr 17 21:23:12 <noobmonk3y> might stick with the downloader though :D
Apr 17 21:23:21 <PhonicUK> righto
Apr 17 21:23:30 <PhonicUK> but yeah ive done it over 3G and its quite watchable
Apr 17 21:23:33 <noobmonk3y> thankee v much though :D
Apr 17 21:23:38 <PhonicUK> no worries
Apr 17 21:23:53 <lcuk> make that a short 1 liner
Apr 17 21:23:57 <lcuk> add it to ~iplayer
Apr 17 21:24:22 <PhonicUK> how do I add it? or shall i just sum it up and someone else add it
Apr 17 21:24:24 <javispedro> "openinstallclickgotourlclickinstallpopoutfullscreen"
Apr 17 21:24:31 <lcuk> lol javispedro
Apr 17 21:24:34 <PhonicUK> lol
Apr 17 21:24:35 <lcuk> it will save explain
Apr 17 21:24:55 <PhonicUK> ?
Apr 17 21:25:12 <javispedro> you have to do something like "infobot: iplayer is something somewhere somehow"
Apr 17 21:25:13 <lcuk> next time someone wants to know how
Apr 17 21:25:16 <lcuk> we can give em that
Apr 17 21:25:22 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 17 21:25:49 <pupnik> ty VDVsx
Apr 17 21:26:32 <PhonicUK> infobot: iPlayer can be viewed smoothly on the N900 by going to the normal desktop version of the iPlayer website, selecting your programme as normal - and then instead of selecting "Play", click the "Pop-out" button in the bottom right (in the middle). The Popped-out version can be played in full screen smoothly.
Apr 17 21:26:36 <PhonicUK> ~iplayer
Apr 17 21:27:13 <PhonicUK> eh?
Apr 17 21:27:31 <SpeedEvil> ~iPlayer
Apr 17 21:27:48 <PhonicUK> ~iPlayer
Apr 17 21:28:00 <javispedro> iPlayer is ...
Apr 17 21:28:06 <SpeedEvil> infobot: iplayer is iPlayer can be viewed smoothly on the N900 by going to the normal desktop version of the iPlayer website, selecting your programme as normal - and then instead of selecting "Play", click the "Pop-out" button in the bottom right (in the middle). The Popped-out version can be played in full screen smoothly.
Apr 17 21:28:11 <noobmonk3y> yay!
Apr 17 21:28:12 <SpeedEvil> ~iplayer
Apr 17 21:28:15 <javispedro> infobot: ping
Apr 17 21:28:19 <javispedro> ~ping
Apr 17 21:28:20 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Apr 17 21:28:28 <javispedro> he suicided
Apr 17 21:28:29 <noobmonk3y> who killed infobot?
Apr 17 21:28:38 <noobmonk3y> ~seen infobot
Apr 17 21:28:40 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 17 21:29:19 <PhonicUK> well darn
Apr 17 21:31:10 <pupnik> man, time/wait needed to enable/disable flash really bites
Apr 17 21:31:48 <PhonicUK> flashblock
Apr 17 21:34:40 <GAN900> ^
Apr 17 21:34:57 <GAN900> zerojay's package works great
Apr 17 21:35:39 <jacekowski> i need some opinions regarding zooming in chrome
Apr 17 21:35:44 <jacekowski> and fullscreen
Apr 17 21:36:00 <jacekowski> what about using volume buttons for zoom and fullscreen at the same time?
Apr 17 21:36:31 <PhonicUK> pressing both vol+ and vol- for fullscreen?
Apr 17 21:36:53 <PhonicUK> seems inconvenient
Apr 17 21:36:55 <GAN900> ShadowJK, whatever it is, orange is REALLY freaking orange on Talk.
Apr 17 21:36:58 <jacekowski> no
Apr 17 21:37:08 <GAN900> jacekowski, steal MicroB's fullscreen button?
Apr 17 21:37:14 <jacekowski> press volume+ at 0 zoom
Apr 17 21:37:16 <SpeedEvil> I don't think you can safely press both buttons
Apr 17 21:37:18 <jacekowski> and it goes to fullscreen
Apr 17 21:37:26 <PhonicUK> then how do i zoom in?
Apr 17 21:37:36 <jacekowski> next press again and it zooms
Apr 17 21:37:58 <PhonicUK> seems like id keep fullscreening when i dont want to
Apr 17 21:38:24 <SpeedEvil> jace so you have maxzoom - minzoom - fullscreen - minzoom - maxzoom
Apr 17 21:38:54 <SpeedEvil> so if you press zoom out, you zoom out, then you hit fullscreen, and if you keep pressing zoom out, you zoom in
Apr 17 21:39:15 <jacekowski> no
Apr 17 21:39:15 <SpeedEvil> to get out of fullscreen you need to zoom out again using hte other button
Apr 17 21:39:20 <SpeedEvil> not discoverable thoug
Apr 17 21:39:21 <SpeedEvil> h
Apr 17 21:39:42 <jacekowski> you have your zoom at 0 and no fullscreen
Apr 17 21:39:47 <jacekowski> and you press zoom in
Apr 17 21:39:54 <jacekowski> and it goes like that
Apr 17 21:40:26 <jacekowski> 0 -> fullscreen -> zoom level 1 -> zoom level 2 -> ......
Apr 17 21:40:27 * noobmonk3y is gonna go to bed early :( - too much pudding :(
Apr 17 21:40:43 <jacekowski> and when are you going back
Apr 17 21:40:46 <jacekowski> it would be
Apr 17 21:41:18 <jacekowski> .... -> zoom level 2 -> zoom level 1 -> zoom level 0 -> disable fullscreen
Apr 17 21:42:12 <SpeedEvil> how do you enable fullscreen then
Apr 17 21:42:20 <jacekowski> you press zoom in once
Apr 17 21:42:28 <SpeedEvil> I'm probalt misunderstanding - it's too late - and not enough pudding
Apr 17 21:42:59 <jacekowski> basicaly zoom in/out will have alternative function at zoom level 0
Apr 17 21:43:33 <jacekowski> which would be switching fullscreen
Apr 17 21:43:52 <ShadowJK> GAN900, it's because of the reduce blue and red resolution that the screen looks fuzzy for text and sharp features
Apr 17 21:56:10 <pupnik> i wonder if there is a white slavery market for programmers...
Apr 17 21:56:34 <jacekowski> yeah, indians will do whatever you want for half price
Apr 17 21:57:00 <jacekowski> and it's called outsourcing
Apr 17 21:58:30 <inkbottle> can i have my screen in portrait mode? Can i have a virtual key board to type in google search (example)?
Apr 17 21:59:33 <pupnik> yes, don't know
Apr 17 22:00:08 <inkbottle> pupnik, how then for the yes?
Apr 17 22:01:37 * PhonicUK is happy :D
Apr 17 22:04:18 <pupnik> inkbottle: need to type a keycombination and browser switches to auto-rotate
Apr 17 22:04:43 <pupnik> ctrl-fn-r or something
Apr 17 22:05:01 <MohammadAG> CTRL SHIFT O
Apr 17 22:05:30 <pupnik> ty
Apr 17 22:07:39 * PhonicUK is not happy
Apr 17 22:07:43 <PhonicUK> there is no <iostream> !
Apr 17 22:08:18 <MohammadAG> o.O
Apr 17 22:08:38 <PhonicUK> I'm using Qt Creator and MADDE
Apr 17 22:08:47 <PhonicUK> and it doesn't like "#include <iostream>"
Apr 17 22:10:26 <NotDigital> hello.
Apr 17 22:11:10 <pupnik> ow PhonicUK .  call the paramedics
Apr 17 22:11:47 <PhonicUK> its a pain because i can see the includes in my toolchain
Apr 17 22:12:13 <NotDigital> so, is there any news about the n900 getting meego?
Apr 17 22:12:24 <NotDigital> or is it still most likely a dead-end phone?
Apr 17 22:13:26 <GAN900> NotDigital, depends on how you define "dead-end"
Apr 17 22:13:31 <PhonicUK> I just want flash 10.1 :\
Apr 17 22:13:45 <NotDigital> gan900: "abandoned by the vendor"
Apr 17 22:13:56 <GAN900> Basically, the situation isn't even close to that black and white
Apr 17 22:14:00 <PhonicUK> that said i'd be pissed if next week they announced something using a fancy new 1.2GHz ARM chip
Apr 17 22:14:00 <pupnik> I want my own castle with a small team of experts...
Apr 17 22:14:15 <PhonicUK> pupnik, can i come? :P
Apr 17 22:14:28 <NotDigital> gan900: please enlighten me :)
Apr 17 22:14:45 <pupnik> Hypothetically of course PhonicUK
Apr 17 22:14:51 <PhonicUK> awesome
Apr 17 22:15:05 <NotDigital> I have this n900 and it's insanely cool, but I'm worried that developers are going to move to meego development once that comes out and there will be no more new stuff ported/developed for the n900.
Apr 17 22:15:15 <GAN900> NotDigital, well, API-wise Harmattan/MeeGo and Fremantle are compatible on the application level.
Apr 17 22:15:34 <GAN900> NotDigital, with Qt, etc.
Apr 17 22:15:36 <PhonicUK> its just a matter of what hardware they have in mind for MeeGo
Apr 17 22:15:56 <GAN900> N900 is the ARM dev platform for MeeGo the distro
Apr 17 22:16:27 <NotDigital> well, not really - the n900 was retroactively named the dev platform for meego.  but it was originally intended as the flagship for maemo.
Apr 17 22:16:48 <GAN900> No news on whether MeeGo/Harmattan will support N900, though.
Apr 17 22:17:07 <GAN900> NotDigital, so, in summary, it's obnoxiously complicated. . . .
Apr 17 22:17:14 <GAN900> NotDigital, erm. . . .
Apr 17 22:17:33 <NotDigital> and there will be a lot of pressure on them to come up with a phone that has a 1ghz snapdragon or whatever, so the first meego phone might be technically API-compatible with the n900, but far too underpowered to actually run many applications.
Apr 17 22:17:35 <GAN900> NotDigital, I'm not sure what you think that statement means
Apr 17 22:18:05 <NotDigital> I'm not either.  I'm talking out my ass in the hopes that someone will correct me. :)
Apr 17 22:18:10 <GAN900> NotDigital, MeeGo wasn't actually a thing until the last few months
Apr 17 22:18:28 <GAN900> NotDigital, basically, there are a lot of people who want what you want
Apr 17 22:19:29 <NotDigital> I have this vague hope that nokia would realize that abandoning the n900 would be flipping the bird to a bunch of hard-core fanboys that develop loads of weird shit for their phones, and it would be a terrible business move to do so.
Apr 17 22:19:43 <GAN900> NotDigital, and we're not completely beholden to Nokia to provide it.
Apr 17 22:19:53 <GAN900> NotDigital, so if Nokia doesn't, somebody will.
Apr 17 22:20:12 * GAN900 made that point to Ari on Wednesday
Apr 17 22:20:20 <GAN900> (though in friendlier terms)
Apr 17 22:20:26 <NotDigital> who is ari?
Apr 17 22:20:30 <GAN900> Jaaksi
Apr 17 22:20:37 <NotDigital> ...
Apr 17 22:20:42 <GAN900> Google. :P
Apr 17 22:20:47 <dubzii> NotDigital, i agree, a lot of the 'real' fans already got their N900 and won't just buy another phone right away if it runs a new OS. The N900 isn't that old yet
Apr 17 22:21:38 * GAN900 may lose GPRS soon.
Apr 17 22:22:06 <inkbottle> pupnik, i've read ctrl-shift-o; i haven't tried yet, i only have 2 hands
Apr 17 22:22:22 <pupnik> and 10 fingers
Apr 17 22:22:28 <NotDigital> yeah, I have my phone doing the portrait-mode browsing - it's cool but not especially useful.
Apr 17 22:22:29 <pupnik> or so
Apr 17 22:22:34 <GAN900> thumb-indexfinger-thumb
Apr 17 22:22:43 <NotDigital> the status bar along the bottom doesn't fit so you lose the resize/stop/bookmarks/etc buttons.
Apr 17 22:22:57 <NotDigital> so you end up flipping back to landscape every time you need to interact with the browser.
Apr 17 22:23:28 <NotDigital> it's only good if you read pages that tend to be very long so you don't need to tell the browser what you want to do very often.
Apr 17 22:23:55 <GAN900> NotDigital, figure out who Ari is? :P
Apr 17 22:24:17 <GAN900> NotDigital, control-l is helpful
Apr 17 22:24:35 <NotDigital> the whitehouse spokesman during the early years of the bush presidency?
Apr 17 22:24:42 <GAN900> as is the backspace key and swiping from the right side of the screen for history.
Apr 17 22:25:08 <NotDigital> I kid.  Yes, apparently he's a bigwig for meego development.  Neat.
Apr 17 22:25:28 <GAN900> NotDigital, Ari Jaaksi is VP of Maemo Devices and MeeGo Operations, so....
Apr 17 22:26:30 <inkbottle> GAN900, thanks for the tips; so i've tried; i might not have a recent enough firmware
Apr 17 22:29:57 <inkbottle> version is 2.2009.51-1
Apr 17 22:30:22 <GAN900> inkbottle, you're behind.
Apr 17 22:31:02 <inkbottle> how do i upgrade that?
Apr 17 22:31:17 <GAN900> Application Manager
Apr 17 22:31:21 <GAN900> Tap update
Apr 17 22:31:30 <GAN900> Install the Maemo update
Apr 17 22:31:55 <inkbottle> i dont even know yet how to be root (ok ill try that :)  )
Apr 17 22:32:08 <lcuk> backup first
Apr 17 22:32:09 <GAN900> Install rootsh
Apr 17 22:32:15 <GAN900> Open XTerm
Apr 17 22:32:19 <lcuk> unless you got nothing to lose
Apr 17 22:32:20 <GAN900> type 'root'
Apr 17 22:32:25 <GAN900> lcuk, it prompts you.
Apr 17 22:33:50 <lcuk> it deserves mentioning before you are actually wanting to update
Apr 17 22:34:09 <inkbottle> lcuk, backup my files, or the system; in case it's the files i dont have yet
Apr 17 22:34:25 <inkbottle> lcuk, ok
Apr 17 22:34:26 <GAN900> It offers to do it for you.
Apr 17 22:35:16 <inkbottle> GAN900, so i'm at nokia sys soft update, now
Apr 17 22:35:50 <GAN900> inkbottle, do the backup, install the update.
Apr 17 22:45:14 <inkbottle> i've got a "downloads.maemo.nokia.com could not contact dns server"; though i can reach google, and nokia support for instance; and i types the address in in the desktop computer i speaking to you with "downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/./Packages" it seems ok
Apr 17 22:47:13 <PhonicUK> night all
Apr 17 22:47:15 <SpeedEvil> debian chroot. I've got aptitude showing 'build-essentials' info - how do I install this?
Apr 17 23:03:52 <inkbottle> it doesn't seem so easy to update the firmware
Apr 17 23:05:06 <MohammadAG> inkbottle, http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam#p/u/4/At9tJHmgnrE
Apr 17 23:05:30 <inkbottle> ok
Apr 17 23:09:36 <inkbottle> how can i be root; mean type su (then type root's password that of course i don't know...)
Apr 17 23:09:52 <MohammadAG> inkbottle, what exactly do you want to do
Apr 17 23:09:57 <MohammadAG> update or gain root?
Apr 17 23:12:52 <inkbottle> not at the same time but the two (i'm used when doing system administration to be root; but this can wait) (i'm at present watching the video you gave me)
Apr 17 23:15:13 <inkbottle> I'll keep doing that later...
Apr 17 23:15:26 <inkbottle> thank you very much you all
Apr 17 23:15:41 <inkbottle> and see you later :)  bye
Apr 17 23:15:43 <dima202> why are there directories with .directory? Wouldn't it be easier without the .?
Apr 17 23:15:52 <dima202> Am I missing something?
Apr 17 23:16:11 <MohammadAG> dima202, .directories are hidden
Apr 17 23:16:18 <dima202> ok, but why?
Apr 17 23:16:27 <MohammadAG> mostly config files
Apr 17 23:16:41 <MohammadAG> unless you meant the 32GB eMMC
Apr 17 23:16:43 <dima202> No, my videos, ringtones, etc.. all in .direcories
Apr 17 23:16:50 <dima202> uhuh
Apr 17 23:16:51 <MohammadAG> oh, imo that was stupid
Apr 17 23:17:09 <dima202> ok, thanks I agree with your opinion
Apr 17 23:17:14 <MohammadAG> the old FM
Apr 17 23:17:16 <MohammadAG> file manager
Apr 17 23:17:19 <MohammadAG> (I think)
Apr 17 23:17:27 <MohammadAG> only supported hidden folders
Apr 17 23:17:42 <MohammadAG> that was fixed, but part of the mistake was inherited
Apr 17 23:17:58 <dima202> got ya
Apr 17 23:25:25 <jacekowski> well it's userland that hides them
Apr 17 23:25:37 <jacekowski> if you use kernel syscalls to list directory contents
Apr 17 23:25:41 <jacekowski> you will get everything
Apr 17 23:25:51 <jacekowski> including . .. and all .folder folders
Apr 17 23:26:11 <jacekowski> and then userland part decides to skip some of them
Apr 17 23:26:39 <jacekowski> so "old file manager supported them" is not very precise
Apr 17 23:32:01 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> (I think)
Apr 17 23:32:14 <MohammadAG> I never touched Diablo or Chinook
Apr 17 23:32:18 <MohammadAG> so I have no idea
Apr 17 23:32:24 <MohammadAG> I just had a quick read about it
Apr 17 23:46:26 <jacekowski> well, that's linux thing
Apr 17 23:48:42 <_llll_> they are . so that the name "Documents" can be translated or something dumb
Apr 17 23:53:21 * evilBunny says hello
Apr 18 00:32:46 <Funnyface> grr I hate websites that redirect you to a mobile version of a page, without any link to view the full version
Apr 18 00:40:42 <izzox> Hey people
Apr 18 00:41:14 <izzox> Need help about pidgin
Apr 18 00:46:23 <Myrtti> I'll throw the bloody Nexus One to a wall.
Apr 18 00:56:32 <Myrtti> the touch screen keyboard is the worst excuse of a virtual piece of hardware ever existed
Apr 18 01:01:57 <GAN900> Myrtti, lol.
Apr 18 01:08:35 <jelmer> Sigh, N900 has blank screened and nothing seems to be able to revive it.
Apr 18 01:09:57 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: black screen?
Apr 18 01:10:00 <MohammadAG> charger?
Apr 18 01:10:04 <joga> jelmer, what charger have you used?
Apr 18 01:10:19 <joga> I had that once, used the adapter with some other nokia charger and it simply didn't provide enough
Apr 18 01:10:49 <joga> I let it charge for 15-20 mins and then got it to boot, but after short usage it shut down again so I let it recharge over the night and it only reached 30% or so
Apr 18 01:11:33 <joga> with some other chargers I don't get that, and it's pretty easy to find out if it can handle the N900, the adapter will warm up :)
Apr 18 01:12:02 <joga> (significantly)
Apr 18 01:14:57 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: yeah, black screen indeed
Apr 18 01:15:16 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: and indicator LED still working?
Apr 18 01:15:20 <jelmer> joga: I've only used the charger and the USB cable that came with the N900
Apr 18 01:15:21 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: yes
Apr 18 01:15:29 <joga> jelmer: ok
Apr 18 01:15:34 <DocScrutinizer> same here :-/
Apr 18 01:16:04 <joga> yours is dead too?
Apr 18 01:16:05 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: When I try to boot it it comes up in white, orange led flashes twice and then briefly flashes green.
Apr 18 01:16:22 <MohammadAG> then shuts down, and goes into a loop
Apr 18 01:16:27 <MohammadAG> I had that on day 3
Apr 18 01:16:42 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: you might try to hook it up to your TV and see if you also got vertical bars or a completely black screen with some rubish in the center
Apr 18 01:17:03 <MohammadAG> removed the sim and microSD card, as well as the battery for a couple of mins then I just reinserted the battery
Apr 18 01:17:58 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: I just get a black screen if I hook it up to a tv unfortunately
Apr 18 01:18:12 <DocScrutinizer> same here
Apr 18 01:18:42 <jelmer> MohammadAG: I've tried it that with just the battery, I'll give it a try with the SIM and MicroSD as well though I wonder why that would work.
Apr 18 01:18:43 <dmj7261> izzox: what's your question?
Apr 18 01:19:05 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: when did the problem start occurring for you?
Apr 18 01:19:14 <DocScrutinizer> TV shows greyish stripes or some small structures in center
Apr 18 01:19:16 <MohammadAG> jelmer, actually it was the microSD causing it
Apr 18 01:19:24 * MohammadAG klined himself
Apr 18 01:19:26 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 18 01:20:15 <MohammadAG> anyways, I'm off
Apr 18 01:20:19 <MohammadAG> Night
Apr 18 01:20:27 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: probably a mechanical problem with the flat platic cable connecting the lower half to screen half
Apr 18 01:20:33 <jelmer> MohammadAG: g'night
Apr 18 01:21:21 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: ah; so probably something to take to the Nokia Shop?
Apr 18 01:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> mine there since a week now
Apr 18 01:24:36 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: yours not even shows the NOKIA screen on boot, the one without backlight?
Apr 18 01:25:10 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: nope
Apr 18 01:25:14 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: it died overnight
Apr 18 01:25:41 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I think there's nothing you could do at home to fix it
Apr 18 01:26:51 <jelmer> grmbl, worst possible time for it to die, in the middle of this #ashtag thing
Apr 18 01:27:04 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: in either case, thanks your comments
Apr 18 01:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: you could try to ssh into N900 - if you had a working setup before
Apr 18 01:30:27 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: Unfortunately I'm not at home so there's no wireless network it could be connecting to by itself.
Apr 18 01:30:57 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Apr 18 01:31:00 <lcuk> jelmer, charging from computer or psu
Apr 18 01:31:26 <lcuk> remove sim and mmc as doc suggests and just try with battery alone
Apr 18 01:32:01 <DocScrutinizer> ?? nope, not me
Apr 18 01:32:23 <lcuk> good point sorry, it was moh
Apr 18 01:32:29 <DocScrutinizer> mohamadag suggested it
Apr 18 01:34:06 <DocScrutinizer> anyway my suggestion is quite similar: boot from battery without anything attached or inserted, and see if 'NOKIA' shows up on screen
Apr 18 01:35:11 <DocScrutinizer> open up kbd slide in dim place (or with finger covering ambient light sensor) ans see if the backlight is enabled and goes off after a while
Apr 18 01:35:44 <DocScrutinizer> kbd backlight that is
Apr 18 01:36:42 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: the kbd backlight does indeed go on and off after some time
Apr 18 01:36:49 <DocScrutinizer> if kbd backlight works but nothing ever shows on screen, the you probably got a perfectly booted system with a hw defect in screen
Apr 18 01:37:43 <jelmer> that's probably what it is then :-/
Apr 18 01:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: I hope you haven't installed a OC-kernel?
Apr 18 01:38:40 <jelmer> I don't know what an OC-kernel is so I guess not :-)
Apr 18 01:38:49 <DocScrutinizer> ok :-)
Apr 18 01:39:40 <DocScrutinizer> now that's defect #3 in ~2 weeks now, like this
Apr 18 01:41:51 <DocScrutinizer> and the real nasty detail is the FPC is also holding the whole crap of the upper half (ALS, cam, indi-LED etc), so it's not exactly an easy or cheap repair
Apr 18 01:43:22 <DocScrutinizer> and I just hope mine wasn't sent to Finland for repair, as it might take even longer to come back by air delivery :-/
Apr 18 01:43:33 <lcuk> jelmer, you never said - are you using usb lead now or charger
Apr 18 01:43:55 <lcuk> and did you take out the other components
Apr 18 01:44:05 <DocScrutinizer> how would that make any difference?
Apr 18 01:44:30 <DocScrutinizer> (as it seems to boot up completely)
Apr 18 01:44:38 <lcuk> how do you know?
Apr 18 01:44:52 <DocScrutinizer> kbd backlight working - sw controlled
Apr 18 01:44:57 <lcuk> <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: When I try to boot it it comes up in white, orange led flashes twice and then briefly flashes green.
Apr 18 01:45:23 <DocScrutinizer> green also sw controlled
Apr 18 01:45:26 <lcuk> backlight comes on at immediate first thing it could be any number of things
Apr 18 01:45:48 <jelmer> lcuk: I've used both the USB cable to my laptop as well as the Nokia charger that came with my N900.
Apr 18 01:45:50 <DocScrutinizer> eerrr huh?
Apr 18 01:46:08 <jelmer> lcuk: and I've tried taking out the other components.
Apr 18 01:46:24 <DocScrutinizer> the NOKIA screen is the very first thing after white indicator LED to come up
Apr 18 01:46:29 <lcuk> how soon after the white led pulse do the other lights come on
Apr 18 01:46:39 <lcuk> ie orange
Apr 18 01:46:42 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't matter
Apr 18 01:47:04 <jelmer> lcuk: 3 or 4 seconds I'd say
Apr 18 01:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> NOLO doesn't show NOKIA, but system boots correctly
Apr 18 01:47:25 <DocScrutinizer> ergo screen hw deffect
Apr 18 01:47:38 <jelmer> and now all of a sudden I get the Nokia tune as well
Apr 18 01:47:39 <lcuk> and how long does the orange light stay on for
Apr 18 01:47:47 <jelmer> lcuk: it flashes slowly twice
Apr 18 01:47:59 <DocScrutinizer> that *does not matter*!
Apr 18 01:48:19 <DocScrutinizer> and is perfectly normal btw
Apr 18 01:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: I assume when you 'lock the screen' with slider switch, the green indicator lights up again
Apr 18 01:52:05 <DocScrutinizer> or white breathing light, if it's not attached to charger/host
Apr 18 01:52:23 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: it triggers the backlight of the keybd but doesn't change the indicator light
Apr 18 01:52:48 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: it would be in the pincode prompting dialog
Apr 18 01:52:58 <jacekowski> omg
Apr 18 01:53:00 <jacekowski> pin code
Apr 18 01:53:07 <jacekowski> who uses pin
Apr 18 01:53:48 <DocScrutinizer> not if tjhere's no SIM mounted
Apr 18 01:54:08 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: pin for the device
Apr 18 01:54:15 <DocScrutinizer> ooouch
Apr 18 01:55:26 <DocScrutinizer> anyway kbd backlight is controlled by mce daemon, so the system should be up and fine fro all that matters for LCD display
Apr 18 01:56:24 <DocScrutinizer> which implies NOLO run OK but doesn'T show the NOKIA logo on screen
Apr 18 01:57:38 <DocScrutinizer> I guess you could enter the PIN blindly via kbd
Apr 18 01:57:52 <DocScrutinizer> though that won't buy you anything :-/
Apr 18 02:42:52 <LiraNuna> ssvb, I don't get vtbl... http://pastie.org/925301
Apr 18 02:43:06 <LiraNuna> it says byte indexes but it seems off
Apr 18 02:43:34 <LiraNuna> I know the mask is a nop, but I'd expect it to be [0x33221100 ... ]
Apr 18 02:43:50 <LiraNuna> err, [0x03020100 ... ]
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