**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 19 02:59:57 2010
Apr 19 03:00:17 <opdf2> i see
Apr 19 03:00:23 <opdf2> ive only used martin fields on my other phones
Apr 19 03:00:34 <opdf2> maybe i'll try vikuiti
Apr 19 03:06:28 <cehteh> there are some rubbery ones, doesnt affect sensitivity much but the feel is still bad
Apr 19 03:06:48 <cehteh> vikuiti is fine i have one too
Apr 19 03:07:14 <cehteh> anti-glare .. the outer layer now becoming a little speckled but barely noticeable
Apr 19 03:07:52 <cehteh> and the protector has already a few scratches .. good to have it
Apr 19 04:06:51 <opdf2> hmm looks like i'll get vikuiti. Any good USA vendors?
Apr 19 04:07:49 <opdf2> i would go to protectionfilms but they're from europe
Apr 19 04:39:28 <Macer> hi
Apr 19 04:41:36 <Stskeeps> morn
Apr 19 04:42:17 <Robot101> moin
Apr 19 04:42:19 <opdf2> looks like my only choice is ship from amazon uk
Apr 19 04:42:28 <Robot101> Stskeeps: did you get stuck in SFO?
Apr 19 04:42:58 <Stskeeps> Robot101: no, i was lucky to not go
Apr 19 04:43:24 <Stskeeps> Robot101: i do have a nordic travel in 36 hours i doubt i'll be going on though :)
Apr 19 04:43:41 <Robot101> oh, thought you were there for some reason :)
Apr 19 04:44:13 <Stskeeps> too busy creating the future instead of talking about it ;)
Apr 19 04:44:41 * Stskeeps ponders to make coffee
Apr 19 04:45:01 <Robot101> well, I missed over 50% of the conference meeting with clients who could directly use or help us contribute to MeeGo too
Apr 19 04:45:18 <Robot101> so it wasn't just hot air for me either. well, it was, but, it was more productive hot air. :)
Apr 19 04:45:58 <Stskeeps> yeah - i'm not saying it isn't productive. i really have good hopes for meego, really hoping i won't be disappointed by the day to day operations though
Apr 19 04:46:41 <Stskeeps> massive challenge to run an actual open project
Apr 19 04:48:12 <Stskeeps> but with a lot of different contributors and companies and clients, secrecy and NDAs simply doesn't scale in a project like this, so :)
Apr 19 04:48:37 <Robot101> I wasn't saying you were, but there /was/ an element of unproductive hot air at the conference
Apr 19 04:48:58 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Apr 19 04:49:06 <Robot101> stuff like chris di bona's talk was just 1 hour of noise basically, saying nothing, then google thumbing their noses at the linux foundation by giving android handsets away
Apr 19 04:49:20 <Robot101> but that's ok, if android drivers get merged to the mainline kernel, a meego port will be easy
Apr 19 04:49:24 <Robot101> :)
Apr 19 04:49:56 <Stskeeps> arm ports of meego is damn easy at the moment
Apr 19 04:50:40 <Robot101> yeah you just can't light up any of the hardware in the N1 - touchscreen, LCD, power management, etc, without the android kernel patches and wakelock and suchlike
Apr 19 04:50:51 <Robot101> so it wouldn't be a true meego port, just a mashup
Apr 19 04:50:59 <Robot101> might be some cheesy PR in it though :P
Apr 19 04:51:05 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 19 04:51:37 <Robot101> anyway, time to sleep
Apr 19 04:51:41 * Robot101 waves
Apr 19 04:51:43 <Stskeeps> gnite
Apr 19 04:56:58 <slingr> my birthday is coming up soon
Apr 19 04:57:06 <slingr> i'm going to ask for PR1.2
Apr 19 04:59:03 <MiXu-> I tried that already, didn't work.
Apr 19 05:04:53 <Macer> wow
Apr 19 05:04:55 <slingr> ?
Apr 19 05:04:56 <Macer> thats a bitch
Apr 19 05:04:57 <slonopotamus> slingr: what's so great in pr1.2?
Apr 19 05:05:00 <slingr> what is?
Apr 19 05:05:06 <Macer> i was trying to order an n900 from dell
Apr 19 05:05:21 <Macer> and their payment processing server messed up and is dead or something
Apr 19 05:05:24 <Macer> haha
Apr 19 05:05:40 <slingr> slonopotamus there are a few features I really like... mostly i'm just looking at it as an opportunity to flash/format my phone entirely and start fresh
Apr 19 05:05:59 <Macer> ah well. i will try again later.
Apr 19 05:06:07 <slingr> aww macer
Apr 19 05:06:13 <slingr> what price is dell selling it for today
Apr 19 05:06:28 <slonopotamus> slingr: features like what?
Apr 19 05:07:09 <slingr> google the changelog
Apr 19 05:07:36 <slonopotamus> slingr: changelog doesn't say what few features you like.
Apr 19 05:07:42 <slingr> i agree
Apr 19 05:08:06 <slingr> i just can't find the site I was looking at the other day that introduced me to PR1.2
Apr 19 05:08:22 <slingr> it had the features nicely listed, changelog is well.. changelog format
Apr 19 05:09:09 <slingr> i've been having troubles installing apps recently which is how i found out about pr1.2  seems some devs are already updating repo's with pr1.2 apps and 1.1 apps are failing to install :(
Apr 19 05:09:13 <slackmagic> slingr: something like this maybe? http://maemobriefs.blogspot.com/2010/03/coming-soon-in-next-n900s-major-update.html
Apr 19 05:09:26 <slingr> ahh foundit
Apr 19 05:09:44 <slingr> yeah i was looking at thenokiablog site
Apr 19 05:09:44 <slingr> http://thenokiablog.com/2010/03/22/nokia-n900-pr12-sdk-major-update/
Apr 19 05:09:56 <slingr> i really like that the back button actually function as a back button
Apr 19 05:10:10 <slingr> i found it odd and annoying it opens up a history
Apr 19 05:10:13 <slingr> instead of going back
Apr 19 05:10:15 * slonopotamus just uses backspace for that
Apr 19 05:10:26 <slingr> rearrangable menu is nice
Apr 19 05:10:33 * RST38h yawns
Apr 19 05:10:41 <slonopotamus> catorise is nicer :)
Apr 19 05:10:45 <MiXu-> slingr: The back button is nice
Apr 19 05:10:48 <slonopotamus> RST38h: morning
Apr 19 05:11:12 <slingr> slonopotamus, you've obviously had much more experience with the phone than i have
Apr 19 05:11:14 <MiXu-> But the biggest reason for wanting to get pr1.2 is Qt4.6
Apr 19 05:11:17 <MiXu-> for me
Apr 19 05:11:27 <slingr> i'm really looking forward to becoming a full poweruser of this device
Apr 19 05:11:30 <RST38h> Ok, short question: When ROM selection fails at the start of the emulation, I can show the error message using Maemo notification, *or* I can use my own oldskool one. Which one should I use?
Apr 19 05:11:33 <slingr> i like that as well MiXu-
Apr 19 05:11:46 <slingr> when I get comfortable enough
Apr 19 05:11:51 <slingr> I would like to start developing
Apr 19 05:11:57 <MiXu-> slonopotamus: In case you don't have the keyboard out, it's a bit awkward to have to open it to get back to the previous page
Apr 19 05:13:39 <RST38h> moorning, heffalump
Apr 19 05:18:58 <Proteous> what do heffalumps and woozles eat?
Apr 19 05:19:06 <Proteous> anything they can find
Apr 19 05:19:13 <Proteous> what if they can't find anything?
Apr 19 05:19:20 <Proteous> then they eat something else.
Apr 19 05:19:35 <RST38h> The answer is rather obvious, isn't it?
Apr 19 05:19:40 <Proteous> yeah
Apr 19 05:19:41 <Proteous> heh
Apr 19 05:19:42 <RST38h> <reboot>
Apr 19 05:38:55 <NuD1t7> morning
Apr 19 05:39:12 <crashanddie_> afternoon
Apr 19 05:39:25 <crashanddie_> crashanddie: eh? What the hell are you doing here?
Apr 19 05:40:27 <NuD1t7> do I need to get worried when yhe updatelog is full of: apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: appname
Apr 19 05:42:10 <NuD1t7> in the beginning of log : Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG blaablaacode maemo.org Extras repositories etc etc
Apr 19 05:43:33 <NuD1t7> this just normal logcrap or has my n900 gone hippytrip?
Apr 19 05:45:18 <Macer> slingr: 500
Apr 19 05:45:32 <Macer> well.. 499 if you believe in marketing the $1
Apr 19 05:46:06 <Macer> sucks that the sale didnt go through
Apr 19 05:46:12 <slingr> lol
Apr 19 05:46:49 <slingr> well if you want it that badly
Apr 19 05:46:55 <slingr> pay $18 more and get it from newegg
Apr 19 05:47:15 <slingr> or walmart
Apr 19 05:47:21 <slingr> for $516
Apr 19 05:47:22 <slingr> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-GSM-Touchscreen-Smart-Phone-for-AT-T/12548184?sourceid=07107582904273706179
Apr 19 05:49:46 <Macer> no way
Apr 19 05:49:54 <Macer> newegg i cant stand
Apr 19 05:50:08 <Macer> and walmart.... i hate almost as much :)
Apr 19 05:51:16 <Macer> i will try dell again later. i am not home now so maybe it was my g1. unfortunaytely where i am i disnt bring my laptop so meh. the n900 can wait.
Apr 19 05:57:31 <mece> what's newegg?
Apr 19 06:03:35 <LiraNuna> I hate it when I connect to Facebook chat from my phone, it re-adds the contacts even if I already have them merged into an existing contact
Apr 19 06:03:43 <LiraNuna> is there a bug report for that so I can follow up on it?
Apr 19 06:03:53 <LiraNuna> if there isn't, I'll open one
Apr 19 06:07:05 <opdf2> Is there a battery usage difference btw the Media Player and mplayer?
Apr 19 06:07:26 <opdf2> playin xvid encoded avi
Apr 19 06:10:07 <timeless_mbp> frals: fMMS broke my internet
Apr 19 06:14:05 <crashanddie_> slingr: why do they say "Unlocked ... for AT&T" ?
Apr 19 06:14:53 <slingr> heh
Apr 19 06:14:57 <slingr> beats me
Apr 19 06:15:16 <slingr> most stores like such have no idea about the product they are selling
Apr 19 06:15:38 <slingr> I think maybe "unlocked" is becoming a buzz word in the mobile phone industry
Apr 19 06:16:10 <slingr> unlocking my gf's Cliq yesterday proved to be a tough task
Apr 19 06:16:28 <slingr> not the task itself, but the obtaining of the code
Apr 19 06:20:57 <crashanddie_> damnit
Apr 19 06:21:07 * Stskeeps wonders if he has to be checked in for his flight in order to get it rebooked
Apr 19 06:21:13 <crashanddie_> slingr: I read that as "unlocking my gf's clit yesterday proved to be a tough task"
Apr 19 06:21:46 <crashanddie_> Stskeeps: no
Apr 19 06:22:19 <Stskeeps> ie, this is a bit special situation since i'll know 6 hours in advance it'll be cancelled
Apr 19 06:22:55 <crashanddie_> just call them now and ask for rebooking -- no fees considering they cancelled
Apr 19 06:23:12 <Stskeeps> yeah, i know
Apr 19 06:23:16 <crashanddie_> make sure to rebook ASAP, or else you're going to be stuck with all the crappy flights
Apr 19 06:23:31 <slingr> ROFL
Apr 19 06:24:33 <slingr> I told her to buy the Cliq and when it arrived I tried the regular means we have here for unlock codes (internet, chinese market, etc)
Apr 19 06:24:49 <slingr> then i read a bit more and found out t-mobile replaces the factory unlock code with their own
Apr 19 06:25:25 <slingr> luckily i found my t-mobile sim that I use for when I travel to the states and was able to use my account to get an unlock code from t-mobile directly
Apr 19 06:26:48 <ShadowJK> Buying cellphones from operators is like buying stuff in bags from people on the street - you're never quite sure what kind of shit you're getting
Apr 19 06:43:09 <mece> is there a twitpic sharing account plugin or does one have to use pixelpipe for that?
Apr 19 06:47:28 <noobmonk3y> no idea :(
Apr 19 06:47:43 <viliny> Hello :)
Apr 19 06:48:07 <viliny> I just ordered a mugen 2400mAh battery - anyone have experience on that?
Apr 19 06:48:25 <viliny> does the device get confused with the lack of a slide thingie on the camera?
Apr 19 06:48:42 <timeless_mbp> viliny: it's been mentioned here before
Apr 19 06:48:50 <timeless_mbp> you should be able to read the channel logs
Apr 19 06:49:17 <crashanddie_> viliny: as long as the magnet/system is there to tell the device the cover is on, should be no issue
Apr 19 06:49:25 <viliny> okay, i'll do that timeless_mbp - first time i get forwarded to logs on a irc channel though :)
Apr 19 06:50:07 <ShadowJK> viliny: MicroSD card doesn't work with it
Apr 19 06:50:14 <ShadowJK> due to missing magnet
Apr 19 06:50:29 <ShadowJK> they promised a new back cover a few weeks ago
Apr 19 06:50:35 <viliny> crashanddie: okay, but how exactly do you tell it when it should act as the cover is open and when not to? i understood the back cover they ship has just a hole for the camera
Apr 19 06:51:01 <ShadowJK> Camera works because N900 thinks there is no back cover
Apr 19 06:51:12 <viliny> Microsd functionality is tied to a magnet?
Apr 19 06:51:25 <Stskeeps> back cover being on or off
Apr 19 06:51:32 <Stskeeps> the sd is inaccessible in kernel depending on that
Apr 19 06:52:13 <crashanddie_> viliny: open x terminal, and type "dmesg", then  open the back cover, and type "dmesg" again.
Apr 19 06:52:14 <Stskeeps> is possible to hack, but hmm
Apr 19 06:52:15 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 19 06:52:17 <viliny> ah i see... but you could modify the kernel though?
Apr 19 06:52:30 <crashanddie_> you'll see there's a message saying "Cover open, usd unmounted", or some of the likes
Apr 19 06:52:31 <viliny> im already running lehtos kernel :)
Apr 19 06:52:41 <crashanddie_> GLWT
Apr 19 06:53:40 <ShadowJK> Some people have gutted earbuds for a magnet and glued it to inside of the cover, and then added a white strip of adhesive tape or similar so thatt the infrared cmera cover sensor thinks camera door is open
Apr 19 06:54:26 <ShadowJK> I also recommend you boot your N900 with the mugen battery at 18C temperature or so, makes the battery meter slightly less useless ;)
Apr 19 06:56:17 <ShadowJK> (if you boot with warm battery the batterymeter shows 100% constantly until it shows 0%)
Apr 19 06:56:38 <crashanddie_> after you've booted at 18.2 degrees C, you need to rotate the N900 to make sure it's lined up with the Sun-North Pole line, in order to get the bestest results and charge times
Apr 19 06:57:16 <crashanddie_> Other than that and the fact you can use this battery anywhere near an aircraft as this one actually interferes with the bomb detectors, you should be fine.
Apr 19 06:58:32 <ShadowJK> the ideal temp is probably lower, but 18-20 seems realistic. Pocketwarm gives 100-0 syndrome ;p
Apr 19 06:58:35 <viliny> ...what?
Apr 19 06:59:25 <viliny> i need to keep my phone as a specific temperature to make the meter work and airport security will go ballistic on me?
Apr 19 06:59:50 <ShadowJK> no you just need to turn it on at a not-too warm temp
Apr 19 07:00:37 <ShadowJK> they put a temperature sensor in it, and n900 isn't expecting a temperature sensor
Apr 19 07:00:42 <mece> Noobmonk3y, well turns out pixelpipe works quite smoothly, so no need.
Apr 19 07:00:49 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 19 07:00:55 <noobmonk3y> yeah i need to sort my ppipe out
Apr 19 07:01:03 <noobmonk3y> keeps dumping new photos in new albumns
Apr 19 07:01:09 <noobmonk3y> have about 200 albums on facebook now
Apr 19 07:01:10 <crashanddie_> viliny: airport security will go ballistic on you. No way a phone can  be that thick ;)
Apr 19 07:01:52 <mece> noobmonk3y, I just put twitpic as default, so I'll only use pp for twitpiccing, and ovi share for other photo sharing.
Apr 19 07:01:58 <crashanddie_> I'm going to set an autokick for people who use the word "facebook"
Apr 19 07:02:09 <noobmonk3y> meh... i'll organize myself one day!
Apr 19 07:02:11 <mece> crashanddie_, here?
Apr 19 07:02:15 <crashanddie_> yes
Apr 19 07:02:21 <noobmonk3y> crashanddie, go facebum yourself ;)
Apr 19 07:02:26 <mece> hehe well /kick crashanddie_
Apr 19 07:02:36 <crashanddie_> noobmonk3y: www.sitonmyfacebook.com ?
Apr 19 07:02:37 <mece> you're the only one I've seen using it.
Apr 19 07:02:41 <noobmonk3y> lols
Apr 19 07:02:48 <noobmonk3y> morning :D
Apr 19 07:02:49 <crashanddie_> mece: <noobmonk3y> have about 200 albums on facebook now
Apr 19 07:02:53 <mece> oo
Apr 19 07:02:56 <mece> righty.
Apr 19 07:03:03 <crashanddie_> you need glasses, mate
Apr 19 07:03:06 <mece> still.. reminds me of...
Apr 19 07:03:32 <mece> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNeq2Utm0nU
Apr 19 07:03:36 <noobmonk3y> crashanddie, forced me to use it honest, was against my will.....
Apr 19 07:03:41 <noobmonk3y> shit.... work... late!
Apr 19 07:03:43 <noobmonk3y> aghhhhhhhhhh
Apr 19 07:03:44 <frals> timeless_mbp: how?
Apr 19 07:03:46 <noobmonk3y> ciaooooooooooooooooo
Apr 19 07:03:54 * noobmonk3y waves @ frals n runs to work
Apr 19 07:04:00 <crashanddie_> mece: no youtube for me at work :(
Apr 19 07:04:19 <mece> oh.. well it's the stoning from life of brian. "now you said it!"
Apr 19 07:04:27 <timeless_mbp> frals: something added a network to my networks for mms
Apr 19 07:04:42 <crashanddie_> mece: yeah, but I'm the op, so I'm excluded :)
Apr 19 07:04:45 <timeless_mbp> and when i tried to open a web page, my device connected to the mms network instead of elisa internet
Apr 19 07:04:50 <pv2b> i'm writing an application that I want to be able to keep the screen "tappable" at all times, but the display backlight should still turn off after a period of inactivity. how would I prevent the device from "locking itself" after a timeout like this?
Apr 19 07:05:02 <mece> crashanddie_, well the "OP" get's stoned in that one :)
Apr 19 07:05:13 <crashanddie_> gets
Apr 19 07:05:17 <noobmonk3y> pv2b, dbus daemon maybe?
Apr 19 07:05:20 <timeless_mbp> frals: as a result, i couldn't browse, use MfE or connect to skype/gtalk/etc
Apr 19 07:05:25 <crashanddie_> mece: I don't do stoning
Apr 19 07:05:29 <frals> timeless_mbp: blame the GPRS guys... not my fault ;) if you change connection mode to Havoc it will hide the connection from the rest of the system
Apr 19 07:05:32 <Macer> A technical problem occurred and your request cannot be processed. Please try again later.
Apr 19 07:05:40 <mece> pv2b, well it does that if you leave the keyboard open, so I guess it's doable :)
Apr 19 07:05:41 <Macer> wow. i guess dell really is messed up
Apr 19 07:05:46 <korhojoa> wut
Apr 19 07:05:49 <mece> crashanddie_, no, but you do proverbial stonings :)
Apr 19 07:05:57 <Macer> thats the 2nd time i tried to oreder an n900
Apr 19 07:06:06 <Macer> thought the first time was a fluke
Apr 19 07:06:08 <loft306> heh
Apr 19 07:06:08 <mece> aaaaanyway.
Apr 19 07:06:11 <pv2b> mece: oh? that's interesting. i might just simply save myself the effort and make that the "suggested usage mode" ;-)
Apr 19 07:06:15 <timeless_mbp> frals: your default settings need to be safe
Apr 19 07:06:26 <timeless_mbp> your current settings clearly aren't
Apr 19 07:06:28 <mece> pv2b, it only stays like that for a while though
Apr 19 07:06:39 <Macer> guess the gods dont want me to buy an n900
Apr 19 07:06:42 <Macer> ah well haha
Apr 19 07:06:47 <timeless_mbp> frals: do you have a bug filed?
Apr 19 07:06:59 <Macer> i just got couches for 1,200 anyways
Apr 19 07:07:04 <pv2b> noobmonk3y: is that the same as gconf?
Apr 19 07:07:43 <Macer> strange that a phone which is tiny costs almost half of a fiant leather sofa and love seat
Apr 19 07:07:52 <frals> timeless_mbp: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9476
Apr 19 07:07:54 <povbot> Bug 9476: Only 1 APN connection is shown in 'Connect automatically' setting
Apr 19 07:07:59 <Macer> giant
Apr 19 07:08:45 <pv2b> ok. just for disclosure, i'm writing myself a "talking clock" application. it's basically just one big button on the screen that will speak the current time. and... well.. the last thing I want for my users (myself among others ;) ) to have to do is to fumble around entering the device lock code just to hear the current time spoken.
Apr 19 07:09:26 <mece> Why am I not stuck in San Francisco?
Apr 19 07:10:32 <Stskeeps> because you're on aabo?
Apr 19 07:10:42 <Stskeeps> s/on/in/
Apr 19 07:12:58 <timeless_mbp> frals: let's see if we can get you guys need
Apr 19 07:13:07 <mece> is it safe to play N900fly with the ash cloud up there?
Apr 19 07:13:12 <Stskeeps> hah
Apr 19 07:13:26 <frals> timeless_mbp: it would be much appreciated :)
Apr 19 07:13:40 <ShadowJK> mece: you'll get scratches on the screen
Apr 19 07:13:48 <viliny> thanks for the mugen feedback you all :)
Apr 19 07:14:11 <ShadowJK> viliny: it actually IS 2400mAh too :-)
Apr 19 07:14:24 <mece> ShadowJK, Yeah, and ash in my... erm,... lenscoversliderparts
Apr 19 07:14:43 <ShadowJK> Not like those 1000mAh batteries on ebay with "1930 mAh GOLD" label on them :P
Apr 19 07:14:59 <viliny> ShadowJK: something to comfort me when i sit in a freezer booting my phone whilst receiving a cavity search from airport security :)
Apr 19 07:15:10 <mece> is the mugen battery gigantic?
Apr 19 07:15:24 <viliny> 7mm thicker back if i remember correctly mece
Apr 19 07:15:29 <mece> ok..
Apr 19 07:15:53 <mece> 2400mah would give quite a nice standby time I think.,. It's the really expensive one, right?
Apr 19 07:15:55 <viliny> my first though was... does it provide a better feel when typing? i mean i could use some extra ooomph on the backside for a better grip personally
Apr 19 07:16:04 <viliny> 87 dollars at the moment i think
Apr 19 07:16:24 <mece> yeah. Would be nice, but I'm ok with the original one.
Apr 19 07:17:16 <ShadowJK> Oh the cover is kinda rubbery when compared to the original, there's certainly more grip
Apr 19 07:17:19 <viliny> yeah, the original one isn't as bad as i was let on
Apr 19 07:17:49 <viliny> nice ShadowJK - pöaying pokemon kind gives me a cramp because i have to keep my hand tense to not drop the thing :)
Apr 19 07:18:01 <mece> whoa.. oveclocking thread over 2k posts!
Apr 19 07:18:04 <mece> err 3k
Apr 19 07:18:12 <ShadowJK> well now that I touch it it actually feels identical to the original
Apr 19 07:18:21 <viliny> mece: week of 900mhz and zero problems - i recommend it whole-heartedly :)
Apr 19 07:18:56 <mece> viliny, perhaps some day, but I was just fascinated by the amount of posts. I guess the signaltonoise ratio is pretty bad though.
Apr 19 07:20:40 <viliny> signal to noise ratio?
Apr 19 07:21:16 <ShadowJK> Yeah, last time I checked it was A: here's a 900MHz kernel B: thanks! C: thanks! D: help where is the 900 megahurtz kernel I looked EVERYWHERE E: me too! F: yeah why do they have to hide them, so frustrating! nokia sucks! G: look up a few posts ffs H: how do I do that im no computer xpert
Apr 19 07:21:55 <ShadowJK> this repeated atleast 20 times and that was when it was 1,500 posts
Apr 19 07:22:02 <Termana> viliny: Yes, signal to noise ratio. The amount of interesting information vs the amount of shit spewing out of peoples mouth.
Apr 19 07:22:02 <viliny> hehe yeah
Apr 19 07:22:25 <viliny> Termana: i thought that something along the lines of overclocking distorting phone calls or something... got my head up in tech :)
Apr 19 07:22:41 <Termana> viliny: heh :P
Apr 19 07:22:43 <lupine_85> someone should release a 2GHz kernel and leave the really daft ones to their smoking hulks of plastic
Apr 19 07:22:59 <ZogG_N900> hey everybody
Apr 19 07:23:00 <lupine_85> ;)
Apr 19 07:23:06 <viliny> Too bad flashed doesn't work on w7 64 though... and FYI running xp in a sunbox virtual machine on that same host doesn't work either.
Apr 19 07:23:11 <viliny> so i ended up going all phone
Apr 19 07:23:44 <ZogG_N900> i don't even have windows
Apr 19 07:24:09 * ShadowJK wonders if there's a rc heli channel on freenode
Apr 19 07:24:30 <viliny> i have like 8 osses on various devices with mint, debian and ubuntu being the majority, and w7 on machines that i expect to provide gaming
Apr 19 07:24:39 <ZogG_N900> rc heli?
Apr 19 07:24:44 <viliny> radio controlled
Apr 19 07:24:51 <viliny> +copter
Apr 19 07:24:59 <ZogG_N900> i do not play
Apr 19 07:25:06 <viliny> i shouldn't either
Apr 19 07:25:08 <ZogG_N900> almost nolt
Apr 19 07:25:14 <ZogG_N900> wine is enuf
Apr 19 07:25:26 <ZogG_N900> and i bought ps3 anyway
Apr 19 07:25:34 <ZogG_N900> for gow 3
Apr 19 07:25:34 * ShadowJK plays flightgear in linux
Apr 19 07:25:39 <viliny> i don't like consoles one bit - preference really
Apr 19 07:26:06 <ZogG_N900> anyaway i don't like ubuntu either
Apr 19 07:26:23 * ZogG_N900 is proud gentoo user
Apr 19 07:26:49 <viliny> i tried going gentoo BEFORE i knew jack about unix - that left me scarred to this day :)
Apr 19 07:26:56 <ZogG_N900> ubuntu is good for bringing attention but sometimes it's too much
Apr 19 07:27:11 <viliny> read the guide now at my older days and still feel like id rather study to be an astronaut as that would be less trouble :P
Apr 19 07:27:28 <ZogG_N900> viliny gentoo is my first distro :)
Apr 19 07:27:43 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 19 07:27:55 <frals> morning Jaffa o/
Apr 19 07:28:12 <ZogG_N900> i annoyed a lot of people that day i decided to switch to linux
Apr 19 07:28:46 <ZogG_N900> viliny actually it's not that hard as it seems
Apr 19 07:28:53 <viliny> advantages of gentoo zog? i have my laptop rinsed out from the previous osses as i resetted the unncessery fake raid it had going on for the sake of less mental detoriation when doing grub :)
Apr 19 07:29:26 <ZogG_N900> wait
Apr 19 07:29:33 <viliny> you pretty much install the whole thing manually and just compile it bit by bit as you go?
Apr 19 07:29:41 <ZogG_N900> making coffee and switching to desktop
Apr 19 07:29:57 <Appiah> gentoo has a package manager
Apr 19 07:30:36 <Appiah> downloads source and compiles
Apr 19 07:30:40 <viliny> okay? .deb based distros seem to have the advantage of more available software... right?
Apr 19 07:30:46 <viliny> oh thats cool
Apr 19 07:35:44 <ZogG> viliny, i'm back here
Apr 19 07:35:51 <viliny> cool, wb :)
Apr 19 07:36:08 <viliny> ah heh, just understood you were on phone
Apr 19 07:36:29 <ZogG> yeah i woke up and was lazy to get out of bed
Apr 19 07:36:43 <ZogG> anyway i'll tell you like that
Apr 19 07:36:56 <ZogG> if you want to learn and you have time - gentoo is good choice
Apr 19 07:37:12 <ZogG> it will help you to understand a lot of things in linux
Apr 19 07:38:01 <viliny> well im going to be a student again soon so i might have some time for such things :)
Apr 19 07:38:03 <ZogG> and you will have a lot of problems you wouldn't know to solve
Apr 19 07:38:54 <ZogG> but fuinally you'll configurate it and everything you would need - is update once in several days ( you can use cron) and just use it as it is with no problems
Apr 19 07:39:26 <ZogG> i like gentoo very much
Apr 19 07:39:51 <viliny> yes, ok. But what is your sales pitch for ubuntu over the debian based ones? i mean, you get to go down and dirty on the smallest things isn't exactly inviting at this point :)
Apr 19 07:40:00 <viliny> eh sorry ubuntu = gentoo
Apr 19 07:40:33 <ZogG> sometimes i help people with other os like ubuntu and so on and i find myself lost cause i used to gentoo - so all these friendly UI is bullsh*t  - the important thing is what you are used to
Apr 19 07:40:53 <viliny> yeah :)
Apr 19 07:41:07 <ZogG> viliny, let's say - you have on computer exactly what you set up
Apr 19 07:41:09 <viliny> i find myself going under the hood constantly already with the ones i use
Apr 19 07:41:45 <viliny> is it much faster with everything compiled to your machine?
Apr 19 07:41:50 <ZogG> btw gentoo one of the linuxes with bigest docs =)
Apr 19 07:41:56 <viliny> i hear people saying this but is it like... actually worth it? :)
Apr 19 07:41:58 <loft306> yopyop
Apr 19 07:42:01 <loft306> yepyep
Apr 19 07:42:11 <ZogG> viliny, i think it is
Apr 19 07:42:30 <viliny> i have to give it a try... with the amount of machine i have it really shouldn't be a problem experimenting with this
Apr 19 07:42:41 <viliny> maybe even run it in a virtual machine here at work when i get bored :)
Apr 19 07:42:44 <loft306> and you lear quicker on it .. by force
Apr 19 07:42:45 <koala_man> viliny: no, absolutely not. there are some good reasons for source based package management, but speed isn't one
Apr 19 07:42:48 <loft306> learn
Apr 19 07:42:49 <viliny> running mint on a vm here to chat as well
Apr 19 07:43:23 <ZogG> i want to switch to Arch on laptop due lack of use of it and proxy that block everything actually when i do use it at work. but desctop only gentoo
Apr 19 07:43:44 <viliny> i do like doing manual tasks but theres a fine line between having control and terrible inconvinience :/
Apr 19 07:44:00 <ZogG> viliny, it only looks like that
Apr 19 07:44:03 <ZogG> it's not that hard
Apr 19 07:44:15 <ZogG> i'm really dumb person and even i have it
Apr 19 07:44:24 <viliny> i just remember seeing the guide and going "uh-oh" :)
Apr 19 07:44:29 <loft306> and it dosse the compiling for you
Apr 19 07:44:52 <loft306> you just need time or a fast box
Apr 19 07:45:06 <ZogG> viliny, it's only first times - after that you just do it quick and easy as you understand what which command actually does
Apr 19 07:45:13 <viliny> ill read up on it, thanks a lot guys :)
Apr 19 07:45:17 <loft306> if you h8 waiting
Apr 19 07:45:34 <viliny> i hate waiting but i love watching stuff compile so....
Apr 19 07:45:42 <ZogG> if you need any help you can ask right away and there are a lot of gentoo chans on freenode
Apr 19 07:46:07 <ZogG> like gentoo-es gentoo-de and so on in any language you speak =)
Apr 19 07:46:29 <viliny> i bet there is - i'll stop hijacking the maemo channel for gentoo now though :) not that anyones using it for that purpose right now but still
Apr 19 07:46:48 <loft306> stay away from the main gentoo channel... its a zoo
Apr 19 07:46:52 <viliny> in the end, it's all a big family between distros, right? :)
Apr 19 07:47:09 <ZogG> viliny, you don't really wait to much - you can install also binary on gentoo btw but it lose the point
Apr 19 07:47:18 <ZogG> i compile even Oo
Apr 19 07:47:19 <viliny> aye, i don't want that
Apr 19 07:47:38 <viliny> koala said that speed isn't really an advantage here though... thats a pity
Apr 19 07:47:47 <ZogG> speed is
Apr 19 07:48:53 <viliny> heh, flightgear reminds me of old amiga and early pc flight simulators... i played the heck out of A-10 cuba in the days :)
Apr 19 07:49:00 <ZogG> starting with kernel that is built exactly for your machine on your processor
Apr 19 07:49:17 <viliny> aye that really DOES sound it should make it much better
Apr 19 07:49:30 <ZogG> and package manager is the easiest i think
Apr 19 07:49:50 <ZogG> as you can have local portage with your own ebuild is pretty good =)
Apr 19 07:49:58 <viliny> standard 20-30 hour installation - holy crap...
Apr 19 07:50:17 <viliny> portage and ebuild don't ring a bell for me
Apr 19 07:50:43 <ZogG> viliny, it's not - it's like 1-2 hours maybe and than you just leave it compiling X and all packages you want for a night
Apr 19 07:50:58 <viliny> for a night? wow :P
Apr 19 07:50:58 <ZogG> because working machine =! machine with X =)
Apr 19 07:51:05 <viliny> hehe
Apr 19 07:51:11 <ZogG> i do like that
Apr 19 07:51:18 <ZogG> i boot from ubuntu
Apr 19 07:51:28 <ZogG> set partitions
Apr 19 07:51:32 <ZogG> mount them
Apr 19 07:51:37 <ZogG> chroot in them
Apr 19 07:51:39 * loft306 builds the base system then kernel then boots into its own kernel then build x if needed
Apr 19 07:51:49 <loft306> *X
Apr 19 07:51:57 <ZogG> loft306, same here
Apr 19 07:52:06 <viliny> chroot? i see that used and have used chroot for various things but im not sure i fully grasp what it's all about
Apr 19 07:52:16 <ZogG> after chroot i download base and portage npack it
Apr 19 07:52:30 <ZogG> compile the base things and build kernel
Apr 19 07:52:35 <ZogG> that all i need
Apr 19 07:53:01 <loft306> yeep on mast machines.. then one with x for my eye candy
Apr 19 07:53:02 <ZogG> reboot - voulya and you have ubuntu running in a meantime
Apr 19 07:53:41 <loft306> build it on another part from the running ubuntu
Apr 19 07:53:44 <viliny> im already a bit overwhelmed - theres a lot of keywords thrown around here and in the guide that im not really sure about
Apr 19 07:53:50 <ZogG> i'm thinking to try gentoo on n900 as it ported to arm
Apr 19 07:54:04 <viliny> and im not exactly sure what you use ubuntu for here - apart from partitioting
Apr 19 07:54:26 <loft306> read the gentoo handbook
Apr 19 07:54:36 <ZogG> viliny, there is GUI installion of gentoo but it sucks and never works for me =)
Apr 19 07:54:41 <viliny> hehe
Apr 19 07:54:48 <ZogG> viliny, okay let's help you step by step
Apr 19 07:54:56 <loft306> stay away from the install cd
Apr 19 07:55:05 <viliny> im at work right now but i'll appear on the gentoo channel once i decide to tackle this one :)
Apr 19 07:55:05 <ZogG> what box you have x64 or x32?
Apr 19 07:55:10 <viliny> x64 intel
Apr 19 07:55:23 <viliny> an asus g50vt was what i had in mind
Apr 19 07:55:32 <ZogG> so you boot from ubuntu x64
Apr 19 07:55:40 <loft306> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/?catid=install#doc_chap2  top of the page handbook
Apr 19 07:56:03 <ZogG> at the begining you can use basic make.config with basic keywords
Apr 19 07:56:19 <ZogG> anytime you change you can recompile whole world
Apr 19 07:56:39 <ZogG> world is packages you have installed
Apr 19 07:56:53 <viliny> ok...
Apr 19 07:56:59 <viliny> so portage is a package manager
Apr 19 07:57:02 <loft306> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml#doc_chap5  install from an existing linux system <<
Apr 19 07:57:05 <ZogG> yes
Apr 19 07:57:06 <Appiah> like BSD
Apr 19 07:57:27 <ZogG> loft306 meh, he needs quick x86 installiton guide
Apr 19 07:57:30 <ZogG> i always use that
Apr 19 07:57:57 <loft306> i do it from memory
Apr 19 07:58:41 <loft306> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml quick ... but change some things up for x86_64
Apr 19 07:58:55 <loft306> mainnly the keyword
Apr 19 07:58:59 <viliny> target laptop: http://hothardware.com/Articles/Asus-G50vt-Gaming-Notebook-Video-Spotlight/
Apr 19 07:59:05 <loft306> and other in make.conf
Apr 19 07:59:18 <loft306> breakies time
Apr 19 07:59:21 <ZogG> loft306, i did as i played with it a lot - for now i haven't done it for a year at list
Apr 19 07:59:46 <ZogG> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml 0- from preparing disk is fine
Apr 19 07:59:52 <viliny> i need to head out for lunch for an hour :)
Apr 19 07:59:57 <loft306> i havent build a new system in so long like 4 years when i put this box together
Apr 19 08:00:08 <ZogG> okay - so anyway you have me and loft306
Apr 19 08:00:14 <viliny> i'll get back on this in an hour - thanks a lot for the links and advice :) i guestimate i might be running gentoo in a week ^^
Apr 19 08:00:22 <Khertan> Hi !
Apr 19 08:00:26 <loft306> though fixed it  a few times when i thought it was beyound repair
Apr 19 08:00:27 <viliny> Hello Khertan
Apr 19 08:00:52 * noobmonk3y w000ps
Apr 19 08:04:20 <ZogG> loft306, last time i did it i merged from 32 to 64 bit system
Apr 19 08:05:15 <ZogG> and i tried to upgrade (u can't upgrade but i tried to still leave all the stuff i had) so i srewed up and i used a hacks =) was missing some packages
Apr 19 08:05:18 <ZogG> it was wierd
Apr 19 08:05:28 <frals> Stskeeps, you ever heard of a bootreason being "Vg_POw38"?
Apr 19 08:05:40 <ZogG> couldn't compile something that i need to set up other stuff
Apr 19 08:05:45 <ZogG> it was dependies loop
Apr 19 08:06:01 <ZogG> solved it by coping from other box and than recompiling it
Apr 19 08:06:03 <Stskeeps> frals: if i was drunk and had to type sw_rst32
Apr 19 08:06:41 <ZogG> loft306, what you think about gentoo on n900 ?
Apr 19 08:06:45 <frals> some guy claiming fMMS reboots his device on launch gets that as bootreason i cant find what it means anywhere >_<
Apr 19 08:07:03 <ZogG> new one?
Apr 19 08:07:16 <loft306> no idea
Apr 19 08:07:45 <ZogG> i'm so tired of people posting threads about pr1.2
Apr 19 08:07:53 <loft306> but dont they have ssome prepriatary parts to the  software
Apr 19 08:08:01 <loft306> that is stock
Apr 19 08:08:10 <loft306>  or is that seperate area?
Apr 19 08:08:40 <loft306> bbr food
Apr 19 08:08:44 <loft306> bbl
Apr 19 08:09:02 <ZogG> loft306, but can't you just install them as you install nvidia drivers for example?
Apr 19 08:09:13 <noobmonk3y> frals: I've been looking into boot reason, reasons! and never heard of that one!
Apr 19 08:09:30 <loft306> i dont know im not that deep on maemo
Apr 19 08:09:41 <ZogG> me too
Apr 19 08:10:10 <frals> cheers noobmonk3y
Apr 19 08:10:40 <ZogG> installing sc2 via wine
Apr 19 08:10:53 <loft306> oh damn.. puter parts not getting here till tomarrow and friday
Apr 19 08:10:54 <noobmonk3y> Thats an odfd one - because there isn't a sane list with descriptions anywhere, not to say it doesnt exist, its just never been reported anywhere
Apr 19 08:10:57 <ZogG> had it for a while never tried
Apr 19 08:18:52 <ZogG> does wallpapers on maemo support gif?
Apr 19 08:19:28 <mece> test it
Apr 19 08:19:40 <ZogG> and i would =P
Apr 19 08:20:54 <noobmonk3y> what OMAP thingy has the N900 got (Processor i assume?)
Apr 19 08:21:01 <timeless_mbp> i'd hope so, although gifs aren't really a good choice for wallpaper
Apr 19 08:21:11 <timeless_mbp> noobmonk3y: have you considered asking wikipedia? :)
Apr 19 08:21:14 <mece> OMAP3?
Apr 19 08:21:19 * noobmonk3y blinks
Apr 19 08:21:22 <noobmonk3y> good point
Apr 19 08:21:37 <noobmonk3y> OMAP 3430 ARM Cortex A8 ty
Apr 19 08:22:00 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, gif wallpaper is a cool idea
Apr 19 08:22:15 <lcuk> color cycling fractal backgrounds without wasting cycles :D
Apr 19 08:22:33 <timeless_mbp> ....
Apr 19 08:22:46 <timeless_mbp> you're assuming that somehow you can usefully do that
Apr 19 08:22:47 <florian> good morning
Apr 19 08:22:56 <lcuk> :D
Apr 19 08:23:01 <lcuk> indeed timeless_mbp
Apr 19 08:23:04 <lcuk> mornin florian \o
Apr 19 08:23:09 <mece> yes gifs work *tested*
Apr 19 08:23:22 <ZogG_N900> did anyone try xchat on maemo?
Apr 19 08:23:23 <lcuk> do they animate
Apr 19 08:23:33 <lcuk> ZogG_N900, yes
Apr 19 08:23:35 <lcuk> lots
Apr 19 08:23:37 <mece> oh. right taht would be cool!
Apr 19 08:23:37 <lcuk> and lots
Apr 19 08:23:40 <ZogG_N900> tab is not working
Apr 19 08:23:48 <lcuk> wheres the tab key?
Apr 19 08:23:55 <mece> ctrl-i perhaps?
Apr 19 08:24:04 <mece> or what do you mean?
Apr 19 08:24:11 <ZogG_N900> lcuk fn+backspace
Apr 19 08:24:11 <frals> shift space or smth in xchat nick completes
Apr 19 08:24:20 <ZogG_N900> lcuk, oh
Apr 19 08:24:24 <ZogG_N900> now it woks
Apr 19 08:24:26 <mece> badass
Apr 19 08:24:27 <ZogG_N900> wierd
Apr 19 08:24:31 <mece> didn't know that.
Apr 19 08:24:35 <lcuk> +1 resolved
Apr 19 08:24:46 <timeless_mbp> at some point, *someone* has to actually apply the colorspace change
Apr 19 08:24:50 <ZogG_N900> it's easy for autocomplete nicknames
Apr 19 08:24:59 <timeless_mbp> the screen itself isn't a GIF rendering surface
Apr 19 08:25:14 <ZogG_N900> mece, it's easy in term ans xchat
Apr 19 08:25:22 <ZogG_N900> easy = usefull
Apr 19 08:26:00 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, yeah
Apr 19 08:26:04 <lcuk> wazd was asking yesterday
Apr 19 08:26:09 <lcuk> he wants matrix characters
Apr 19 08:26:15 <ZogG_N900> live wallpaper is nice but useless and would end your batteries imo
Apr 19 08:26:30 <lcuk> and changing a palette is less bandwidth than changing the data it was asked if that was possible
Apr 19 08:26:35 <ZogG_N900> so it would be cool just to have gifs as wallpaper
Apr 19 08:26:46 <lcuk> ZogG_N900, then only run busy ones when charging/sat at desk
Apr 19 08:26:49 <lcuk> it doesnt make it useless
Apr 19 08:26:51 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: you're assuming there's a palette somewhere...
Apr 19 08:27:07 <timeless_mbp> the rendering surface is not 256-palettized
Apr 19 08:27:16 <mece> antway, it does not animate gifs.
Apr 19 08:27:24 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, gif is paletted - whether the x11 mode supported it was the question
Apr 19 08:27:27 <ZogG_N900> lcuk, u can always have widget with daytime
Apr 19 08:27:41 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: gif is, but our x11 display is 16bits
Apr 19 08:27:46 <lcuk> ZogG_N900, your live background could potentially just refresh once every hour with some stuff
Apr 19 08:27:51 <lcuk> it doesnt have to be busy live
Apr 19 08:27:57 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, yup
Apr 19 08:28:01 <timeless_mbp> so someone gets to convert from palettized gif to 'normal' 16 bits
Apr 19 08:28:12 <timeless_mbp> which means you immediately lose your imaginary win
Apr 19 08:28:15 <ZogG_N900> but it have heavy animation
Apr 19 08:28:29 <ZogG_N900> it's like to use video as walpaper
Apr 19 08:28:39 <lcuk> ZogG_N900, that one might
Apr 19 08:28:42 <lcuk> but others wont
Apr 19 08:29:03 <lcuk> it could be as simple as not changing the background itself and just interacting with your other widgets
Apr 19 08:29:15 <lcuk> grouping and herding them to the visible desktop :D
Apr 19 08:29:21 <lcuk> making them run away etc
Apr 19 08:29:24 <ZogG_N900> i'm talking about that live wallpaper from news the russian guy made
Apr 19 08:29:40 <lcuk> yes you are talking about one specific badly named single example
Apr 19 08:30:04 <lcuk> live backgrounds in general can be as busy or as conservative as they want
Apr 19 08:30:07 <lcuk> and users can decide
Apr 19 08:30:17 <ZogG_N900> i'm thinking how to manage portrait mode and widgets on desktop
Apr 19 08:30:31 <lcuk> thats a different issue
Apr 19 08:30:41 <ZogG_N900> i know
Apr 19 08:30:56 <noobmonk3y> frals - just counted 18 types of rst(reset types) relating to the N900's processor - and it is not in there!! - so it probably isn't the end of the world! - quite a funky, if very techy document though!
Apr 19 08:31:07 <ZogG_N900> just thinking if maemo would ever support it - how would they manage it
Apr 19 08:31:09 <frals> noobmonk3y: got a link?
Apr 19 08:31:37 <noobmonk3y> lol just closed it - hold on got a similar one for another OMAP Processor here - http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru678a/spru678a.pdf
Apr 19 08:31:44 <noobmonk3y> will try and find the other one
Apr 19 08:35:52 <noobmonk3y> frals - http://bunnitude.com/misc/files/omap/pdf/sprufa5.pdf
Apr 19 08:36:07 <frals> ta!
Apr 19 08:37:55 <noobmonk3y> page 69 onwards was an odd read!
Apr 19 08:42:20 <noobmonk3y> frals: You've got me wondering if i can pull out any further reset details from the cpu :P maybe from logs
Apr 19 08:45:00 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, frals - whats this search about
Apr 19 08:45:10 <lcuk> have you healthchecked yourself into oblivion?
Apr 19 08:46:41 <jacekowski> good morning
Apr 19 08:47:03 <jacekowski> pr 1.2?
Apr 19 08:47:20 <frals> lcuk: trying to dig up anything about that damn bootreason code
Apr 19 08:47:44 <Stskeeps> nolo prolly sets it
Apr 19 08:48:16 <lcuk> ok the bootreason is specifically?  and occured at which point and reproduced itself how?
Apr 19 08:48:27 <lcuk> (i closed my windows
Apr 19 08:48:33 <noobmonk3y> :P
Apr 19 08:48:36 <frals> Vg_POw38, occured after starting fMMS, he claims
Apr 19 08:48:45 <frals> reboots each time he launches fmms
Apr 19 08:48:48 <noobmonk3y> yeah - hunted out a few hundred different components boot reasons now
Apr 19 08:48:55 <frals> ive asked him to create a new thread about it but not dice yet!
Apr 19 08:48:57 <noobmonk3y> trying to determine how that comes up with the few we know off
Apr 19 08:50:25 <frals> would be nice if there was a list of all bootreasons with a oneline describing them somewhere :P
Apr 19 08:50:49 <frals> oneliner*
Apr 19 08:52:16 <noobmonk3y> ;) yes fralsw, yes it would ;)
Apr 19 08:52:22 <noobmonk3y> but things never seem to be that easy ;)
Apr 19 08:52:39 * lcuk wipes that ;) off your face
Apr 19 08:53:39 <noobmonk3y> it seems to be kernel related
Apr 19 08:53:48 * noobmonk3y gets his spade to dig a bit further
Apr 19 08:56:20 <viliny> hi again :)
Apr 19 08:57:34 <noobmonk3y> heya
Apr 19 09:02:07 <frals> i dont like people who change their User Agent... only sending "Maemo Browser" is kinda mean if you, like me, likes snooping around the server logs
Apr 19 09:05:00 <viliny> is there any way to flip that back and forth without uninstalling and installing it again
Apr 19 09:06:12 <wazd> lcuk: timeless_mbp: actually I wasn't asking :D
Apr 19 09:06:33 <lcuk> wazd it was pondering
Apr 19 09:06:40 <viliny> frals: ?
Apr 19 09:06:55 <frals> no clue
Apr 19 09:06:59 <viliny> oh and... some sites give you that damn mobile page in stead of real deal with the default user agent
Apr 19 09:07:39 <wazd> Nokia-Russia wasn't so excited bout Matrix wallpaper btw :)
Apr 19 09:07:47 <Treibholz> mobile sites don't make any sense on a wide screen...
Apr 19 09:08:10 <auenf> sure they do, if you tilt your head sideways
Apr 19 09:08:32 <Treibholz> most of them are optimized for smaller screens.
Apr 19 09:08:42 <hrw> morning
Apr 19 09:08:55 <timeless_mbp> Treibholz: if you use portrait browsing, mobile sites are vaguely usable
Apr 19 09:08:55 <Treibholz> let's just wait for PR1.2
Apr 19 09:09:08 <jacekowski> somebody said pr.1.2
Apr 19 09:10:15 <viliny> hehe, lol at the oc thread... 850mhz low end settings :)
Apr 19 09:10:21 <Treibholz> timeless_mbp: that's why we have to wait.
Apr 19 09:10:48 <Treibholz> but most of the sites ask me if I want the mobile or the normal version.
Apr 19 09:11:48 <noobmonk3y> pr1.2 = lcuk's version 2 of his bacon sandwich :D
Apr 19 09:12:02 <kebax> I got my mobile broadband working by installing ppp via yum and wvdial from fedora 11
Apr 19 09:12:22 <lcuk> nahhh noobmonk3y you are bringing bacon sandwich to next meet
Apr 19 09:12:40 <noobmonk3y> oooo yeah, cant have one without it ;)
Apr 19 09:12:44 <kebax> I wonder why the 3G is not working on network applet
Apr 19 09:12:48 <noobmonk3y> i had bacon and brie at the last one :D
Apr 19 09:13:02 <lcuk> such a strange combination
Apr 19 09:14:29 <noobmonk3y> but works ;)
Apr 19 09:14:53 <Treibholz> VCF_FILES=$(ping -I usb0 -w 1 -c 1 $MAEMO_IP 2> /dev/null > /dev/null && (scp user@$MAEMO_IP:.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db /tmp/ > /dev/null && ~/bin/dump_n900_addressbook.py > $MAEMO_VCARD) ; echo $MAEMO_VCARD)
Apr 19 09:14:58 <Treibholz> this is so sick...
Apr 19 09:16:14 <mece> :)
Apr 19 09:16:35 <frals> bastard noobmonk3y now im hungry :(
Apr 19 09:16:48 * mece too. OM NOM NOM
Apr 19 09:16:52 <noobmonk3y> frals: Foooooooooooooood glorious foooooooooooooooood!
Apr 19 09:16:55 <Treibholz> but the only way I found to have something working to use the addressbook in mutt.
Apr 19 09:16:58 <nid0> ditto, i got noodles on now!
Apr 19 09:17:11 <timeless_mbp> Treibholz: technically portrait browsing is available in 1.1
Apr 19 09:17:27 <timeless_mbp> and the reason you have to wait has nothing to do w/ the browser
Apr 19 09:17:31 <timeless_mbp> we were done over a month ago
Apr 19 09:18:09 <lcuk> lol @ this:
Apr 19 09:18:11 <hrw> Treibholz: 12 November is getting closer each day
Apr 19 09:18:11 <lcuk> Apart from making most applications crash after a while, the plugin works very well.
Apr 19 09:18:11 <lcuk> I'll package it once the bugs are fixed.
Apr 19 09:18:22 <Treibholz> timeless_mbp: yes, once I triggered a bug, that made everything portrait...
Apr 19 09:18:33 <lcuk> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50419
Apr 19 09:18:36 <Treibholz> timeless_mbp: how can I switch manually?
Apr 19 09:18:42 <frals> ctrl shift o in browser
Apr 19 09:18:44 <hrw> Treibholz: ctrl-shift-o
Apr 19 09:18:45 <frals> and then just turn device
Apr 19 09:19:00 <frals> lol lcuk
Apr 19 09:19:00 <mece> need to close keyboard to if I recall
Apr 19 09:19:04 <mece> correctly
Apr 19 09:19:20 <Treibholz> ahhhhh
Apr 19 09:20:12 * mece is going to get a footlong subway today. OH YEAAAH!
Apr 19 09:20:44 <Treibholz> great :-)
Apr 19 09:20:47 * Treibholz is happy.
Apr 19 09:21:51 <koala_man> nice feature
Apr 19 09:23:32 <loft306> ahhh ha found the bt kb
Apr 19 09:23:40 <mece> anyone here have fheroes2 installed and working?
Apr 19 09:24:49 <inkbottle> Hi, how do i do to install "fennec"? I don't find it in the list of applications (I know i missed something, but i don't yet know what :)  )
Apr 19 09:25:07 <Treibholz> inkbottle: via the ovi-store
Apr 19 09:25:20 <inkbottle> ?
Apr 19 09:25:31 <frals> http://htxt.it/i/q5yo haha
Apr 19 09:25:34 <viliny> nokia ovi-store
Apr 19 09:25:40 <Treibholz> and fennec is called firefox mobile now
Apr 19 09:27:18 <nid0> clearly travel's getting serious
Apr 19 09:27:21 <nid0> Three Royal Navy ships will be drafted to help return Britons stranded abroad as UK airspace remains restricted.
Apr 19 09:27:44 <frals> lol
Apr 19 09:27:51 <viliny> is the situation that bad in the uk?
Apr 19 09:27:53 <nid0> not small ships either, two of em are aircraft carriers
Apr 19 09:27:54 <crashanddie> Treibholz: brand recognition
Apr 19 09:27:57 <frals> sweden opened its airspace today \o/
Apr 19 09:28:13 <crashanddie> frals: doesn't help a lot if you can't go anywhere :P
Apr 19 09:28:23 <crashanddie> frals: "Yes, you can fly from Stockholm to Stockholm"
Apr 19 09:28:30 <crashanddie> frals: but they'll still your luggage :P
Apr 19 09:28:38 <crashanddie> s/still/still love/
Apr 19 09:28:39 <infobot> crashanddie meant: frals: but they'll still love your luggage :P
Apr 19 09:28:40 <crashanddie> COCK
Apr 19 09:28:43 <crashanddie> lose**
Apr 19 09:28:48 <frals> can go to northern sweden!
Apr 19 09:28:55 <frals> ;D
Apr 19 09:29:52 <viliny> crashanddie: you hurt my brain :P
Apr 19 09:30:13 <crashanddie> viliny: as long as it's only your brain I'm hurting
Apr 19 09:30:54 <viliny> yeah, what do i need that for any way :P
Apr 19 09:31:25 <inkbottle> Hum, i don't get yet what is ovi-store; i mean what is the difference between things that are "install software", and those that are "ovi-store"?
Apr 19 09:31:37 <Treibholz> inkbottle: ask Nokia.
Apr 19 09:31:54 <crashanddie> inkbottle: ovi-store is a commercial front-end to software distribution
Apr 19 09:32:19 <inkbottle> i'd rather like not to use it, if possible
Apr 19 09:32:30 <crashanddie> then don't use it?
Apr 19 09:32:55 <Treibholz> inkbottle: you may also download the deb manually from firefox.com.
Apr 19 09:32:55 <crashanddie> inkbottle: you don't *have* to use anything
Apr 19 09:33:07 <crashanddie> you'll just won't be able to get specific applications or games
Apr 19 09:33:59 <inkbottle> spending more time there might be solutions for installing firefox though
Apr 19 09:34:10 <crashanddie> firefox, sure
Apr 19 09:34:32 <crashanddie> but games like angry birds, no
Apr 19 09:34:33 <Treibholz> anyway, firefox mobile is not really worth installing.
Apr 19 09:34:35 <inkbottle> in fact i was looking for some noscript stuff
Apr 19 09:34:51 <nid0> I dont see the issue, what exactly do you have against clicking the "ovi" button on your n900 and downloading firefox?
Apr 19 09:34:51 <inkbottle> Treibholz, thanks
Apr 19 09:35:01 <nid0> how does the fact that ovi's involved hurt you in any way?
Apr 19 09:35:07 <Treibholz> you need an account.
Apr 19 09:35:15 <viliny> i noticed the ovi icon on the device will not work properly with user agent hidden in microb - BTW
Apr 19 09:35:22 <nid0> wow, a 20 second signup?
Apr 19 09:35:29 <satmd> the latest recaller package seems to want to rm a file that does not exist
Apr 19 09:35:34 <crashanddie> nid0: "OMGZ!!!eleven!!one ovi is going to track what I use... CONSPIRACIE!!!!"
Apr 19 09:35:44 <Treibholz> nid0: just to install software?
Apr 19 09:36:04 <nid0> so?
Apr 19 09:36:15 <frals> doesnt mozilla have their own repo up if installing from ovi is so inconvenient?
Apr 19 09:36:21 <nid0> yep
Apr 19 09:36:32 * Treibholz would prefer to install applications without authentication.
Apr 19 09:36:43 <crashanddie> again, why?
Apr 19 09:36:51 <inkbottle> nid0, no, i dont fear i will be hurt, it's just i don't like the word (or something like that)
Apr 19 09:37:11 <crashanddie> you don't like "the word"?
Apr 19 09:37:12 <jacekowski> install chromium
Apr 19 09:37:17 <crashanddie> What. The. Fuck?
Apr 19 09:37:29 <jacekowski> fuck?
Apr 19 09:37:29 <frals> lol
Apr 19 09:37:32 <Treibholz> chromium is very slow on the n900
Apr 19 09:37:38 <Scelt> fuck?
Apr 19 09:37:51 <jacekowski> weoll, it's wip at the moment
Apr 19 09:37:55 <jacekowski> well*
Apr 19 09:37:59 <jacekowski> it will get better
Apr 19 09:38:10 <jacekowski> and js is like 3x faster than microb
Apr 19 09:39:22 <frals> is there any app to track err.. general performance stuff? i got a pm saying fmms is draining his battery 10-15% faster when its installed
Apr 19 09:39:56 <nid0> well, battery-eye will be able to confirm whether thats actually happening
Apr 19 09:40:02 <nid0> wont tell you why tho
Apr 19 09:40:40 <inkbottle> does someone know where are man pages?
Apr 19 09:40:53 <inkbottle> and "less"
Apr 19 09:42:16 <frals> google has man pages, less is available in -devel afaik
Apr 19 09:42:50 <viliny> Hey now that i remember, is there any convenient way of extracting archived files such as zip or rar on the n900?
Apr 19 09:42:52 <inkbottle> frals, i give a look
Apr 19 09:43:08 <viliny> i got some command line program and it worked ok but im kinda expecting a program with a gui for this thing
Apr 19 09:46:35 <viliny> like my 95 had as default fex
Apr 19 09:49:15 <lcuk> o_O RT @ D3MS77 "Put 30 billion euros in unmarked bills in a bag by the gate of the Icelandic embassy in London, and we’ll turn off the volcano"
Apr 19 09:50:41 <SpeedEvil> frals: I like Stskeeps's little script - it logs accurate instantaneous power use every 5s
Apr 19 09:50:46 <Stskeeps> what script
Apr 19 09:50:57 <SpeedEvil> err
Apr 19 09:51:01 <SpeedEvil> do I mean Stskeeps
Apr 19 09:51:10 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: ?
Apr 19 09:51:26 <Stskeeps> probably
Apr 19 09:51:32 * SpeedEvil just wokr up
Apr 19 09:53:51 <ShadowJK> yes
Apr 19 09:54:14 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, i hope you changed RS to 20, it's at the top
Apr 19 09:54:18 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 19 09:54:39 <ShadowJK> ok
Apr 19 09:55:05 <SpeedEvil> link to it for frals?
Apr 19 09:55:07 <SpeedEvil> also - powertop
Apr 19 09:55:11 <SpeedEvil> also - rebooting
Apr 19 09:58:03 <achipa> does anyone know what the mad-developer thingy is based on ? sbrsh ? or ?
Apr 19 09:58:03 <viliny> lcuk: i can imagine the volcano with several hundred icelandians pouring in anti-acid pills into the fire :P
Apr 19 09:58:30 <lcuk> http://i.imgur.com/flMMU.gif
Apr 19 09:59:55 <ShadowJK> frals, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar  - untar somewhere, go to that place as root in a terminal, for a dump do: ./bq27200.sh for continous monitoring do: ./bq27200.sh 5  (5 is the interval, and the chip itself samples current use at 5.12 second intervals)
Apr 19 10:00:18 <frals> thanks
Apr 19 10:00:20 <jacekowski> ShadowJK: what is it doing?
Apr 19 10:00:44 <ShadowJK> jacekowski, well it's a busybox sh script that talks to a hardware chip. What could go wrong
Apr 19 10:01:26 <ShadowJK> It talks to the bq27200 battery "gas gauge" chip. Real time power use monitoring, for example
Apr 19 10:01:40 <jacekowski> nice
Apr 19 10:01:56 <jacekowski> how accurate is it?
Apr 19 10:02:10 <ZogG> so google heard about meego
Apr 19 10:02:25 <ZogG> and now announce to put android source back to kernel
Apr 19 10:02:26 <viliny> google heard about it?
Apr 19 10:02:49 <ZogG> doest it mean android apps on meego?
Apr 19 10:02:51 <viliny> source back to kernel?
Apr 19 10:03:06 <ZogG> cause i think when it happens now maemo would be alive
Apr 19 10:03:20 <ZogG> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/15/android_linux_kernel_reintegration/
Apr 19 10:03:56 <ShadowJK> jacekowski, I don't remember what the datasheet says, but as far as the charge tracking goes it seems to be within 1%
Apr 19 10:04:11 <ShadowJK> um, I mean +-1%
Apr 19 10:04:13 <ShadowJK> or something
Apr 19 10:04:22 <Treibholz> ZogG: the kernel has absolutelly nothing to do with it.
Apr 19 10:04:34 <ZogG> it's all about java
Apr 19 10:04:41 <ZogG> once again
Apr 19 10:04:43 <ZogG> i hate java
Apr 19 10:04:51 <ShadowJK> In absolute terms it depends on knowing the size of the sense resistor inside the N900. My current guess is 20mOhm
Apr 19 10:05:09 <Treibholz> android is just a platform on top of linux.
Apr 19 10:05:19 <ShadowJK> and it's not even java
Apr 19 10:05:33 <ZogG> Treibholz, so even if android and kernel merged back and java ported - there is still no chance?
Apr 19 10:05:45 <Treibholz> it's a java-derivative called dalvik
Apr 19 10:05:57 <ZogG> i heard that many time
Apr 19 10:05:59 <ZogG> times
Apr 19 10:06:00 <ShadowJK> Anyway, by integrating the current consumption/charge over time, it adds up very close to the Nokia battery's capacity when you do a charge-discharge, and it also adds up to the advertised capacity of the extended mugen battery...
Apr 19 10:06:06 <ZogG> just can't understand how it works
Apr 19 10:06:13 <Treibholz> ZogG: the kernel has nothing to do with it.
Apr 19 10:06:21 <Treibholz> you may port dalvik...
Apr 19 10:06:25 <ZogG> i?
Apr 19 10:06:28 <Treibholz> is dalvik opnesource?
Apr 19 10:06:36 <ShadowJK> You need the entire framework on top too
Apr 19 10:06:47 <ShadowJK> and teach it how to talk to the particular hw it's running on, maybe
Apr 19 10:06:55 <ShadowJK> if you want it to like be able to interface with anything
Apr 19 10:07:00 <Treibholz> apache license
Apr 19 10:07:05 <ZogG> i can't loop my laces
Apr 19 10:07:43 <ZogG> ShadowJK, i think it would be easier to port apps to specific hw
Apr 19 10:07:44 <lcuk> ask your mum
Apr 19 10:07:51 <Treibholz> and I (personally) wouldn't want any android-apps on my n900.
Apr 19 10:08:04 <lcuk> lily allen just said "i can tie my laces"
Apr 19 10:08:08 <N900evil> I personally would.
Apr 19 10:08:11 <lcuk> o_O
Apr 19 10:08:15 <N900evil> And iphone
Apr 19 10:08:16 <ZogG> i would prefer native apps but because of lack of ones...
Apr 19 10:08:34 <nid0> help get more available then
Apr 19 10:08:35 <N900evil> and windows 7, and tomtom, and amiga
Apr 19 10:08:47 <ZogG> what about ps3 games?
Apr 19 10:08:54 <N900evil> those too.
Apr 19 10:09:04 <ShadowJK> In the end running android apps on maemo would make everything pretty slow, I'd imagine :-)
Apr 19 10:09:09 <N900evil> some are less practical than others.
Apr 19 10:09:09 <ZogG> okay - i'll work on it
Apr 19 10:09:28 <Treibholz> ZogG: you can't run more than 2 PS3-games at the same time on the n900, maybe more if you overclock it.
Apr 19 10:09:34 <ZogG> N900evil, but you would like gow3? =)
Apr 19 10:09:37 <N900evil> android apps on maemo are completely possible, and not slow other than ram
Apr 19 10:09:51 <N900evil> ram contention
Apr 19 10:09:57 <ShadowJK> Yes
Apr 19 10:10:07 <ZogG> Treibholz, it makes me said i would like to run at least 5 ps3 games at the same time
Apr 19 10:10:16 <ShadowJK> It'd be pretty dire, squeezing two operating systems into 256megs
Apr 19 10:10:16 <BCMM> is it possible to get an application to display to another X server?
Apr 19 10:10:24 <Treibholz> ZogG: works on Windows Mobile 7
Apr 19 10:10:27 <N900evil> ram is a hareder topic than it appears
Apr 19 10:10:30 <marmoute> BCMM: Change he DISPLAY var ?
Apr 19 10:10:41 <ZogG> Treibholz, they don't have multitasking
Apr 19 10:10:57 <BCMM> i've tried logging in with ssh -X, but $DISPLAY is still :0.0
Apr 19 10:11:00 <ZogG> fcrozat|lunch, bon appetite
Apr 19 10:11:00 <N900evil> you have the RAM use not only of the app, but the whole framewoek
Apr 19 10:11:06 <N900evil> BCMM: wfm
Apr 19 10:11:12 <BCMM> N900evil: wfm?
Apr 19 10:11:26 <N900evil> BCMM: DISPLAY=whereever:0
Apr 19 10:11:39 <BCMM> N900evil: i'll certainly try that
Apr 19 10:11:49 <BCMM> but nevertheless, any way to make ssh -X work normally?
Apr 19 10:11:55 <N900evil> BCMM: start app, after allowing on other x server
Apr 19 10:12:00 <N900evil> dunno
Apr 19 10:12:10 <N900evil> never bothered chasing it up
Apr 19 10:12:26 <BCMM> i've even tried ssh -X user@192.168.1.10 <command>
Apr 19 10:12:40 <BCMM> to avoid it starting a shell which could change $DISPLAY
Apr 19 10:12:44 <Treibholz> BCMM: debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing
Apr 19 10:13:00 <Treibholz> BCMM: you need to install xauth
Apr 19 10:13:03 <N900evil> BCMM: are you trying to show stuff on n900 display?
Apr 19 10:13:11 <BCMM> N900evil: other way 'round
Apr 19 10:13:17 <BCMM> N900evil: that works fine with ssh
Apr 19 10:13:25 <N900evil> just display works then
Apr 19 10:13:35 <jacekowski> just use DISPLAY=host:display
Apr 19 10:13:35 <N900evil> and auth the other side
Apr 19 10:13:55 <jacekowski> you just have to run xauth on remote side before doing that
Apr 19 10:14:47 <BCMM> hmm, -X would be preferable because my X server has -nolisten tcp
Apr 19 10:15:02 <Treibholz> BCMM: you need to install xauth
Apr 19 10:15:08 <BCMM> Treibholz: ok
Apr 19 10:15:09 <BCMM> thanks
Apr 19 10:16:04 <BCMM> that still doesn't explain why DISPLAY was :0.0 instead of unset
Apr 19 10:16:34 <BCMM> yeah, that works now; thanks
Apr 19 10:17:23 <BCMM> now, is it possible to start the phone app on my desktop's X server?
Apr 19 10:17:35 <BCMM> i don't know how to start it from a terminal
Apr 19 10:18:01 <BCMM> in fact, i'm assuming it's part of the process that does the desktop and so on, since the process count doesn't change when i start it
Apr 19 10:18:22 <Treibholz> osso-addressbook seems not to work
Apr 19 10:20:47 <N900evil> frals: powertop and strace will say if fmms is keeping stuff awake
Apr 19 10:21:16 <frals> N900evil: cheers, will take a look at those
Apr 19 10:21:40 <lcuk> fmms is keeping frals awake!
Apr 19 10:22:16 <frals> aye no arguing there
Apr 19 10:22:50 * lcuk tries to install powertop on frals
Apr 19 10:23:04 <lcuk> eep, it says unsupported platform: cpu missing
Apr 19 10:23:07 <lcuk> :p
Apr 19 10:23:20 <SpeedEvil> frals: fmms does what? It has a resident component?
Apr 19 10:23:35 <frals> SpeedEvil: it got a daemon in the background waiting for sms push notifications
Apr 19 10:23:44 <frals> or well, its started on demand by dbus if its not running
Apr 19 10:23:47 <BCMM> well, x over ssh is all fun but a bit fiddly; which VNC server for maemo would you recommend?
Apr 19 10:23:49 * ZogG xmms2> Tito & Tarantula - Angry Cockroaches ["Tarantism" 1997]
Apr 19 10:23:54 <frals> and then stays running until killed
Apr 19 10:24:58 <BCMM> also, is there a graphical way to set up USB networking with a linux computer?
Apr 19 10:25:26 <ZogG> what do you mean networking?
Apr 19 10:25:42 <ZogG> to share internet from n900 or to n900?
Apr 19 10:26:53 <SpeedEvil> also - 'linux' varies
Apr 19 10:27:02 <BCMM> ZogG: well, right now i don't mind about sharing 'net
Apr 19 10:27:06 <ZogG> meh - that is the last thing to care
Apr 19 10:27:15 <ZogG> from where to where?
Apr 19 10:27:20 <BCMM> just having a fast way to move data between the machines (taht isn't mass storage)
Apr 19 10:27:34 <ZogG> oh
Apr 19 10:27:42 <BCMM> but i would also like to know how to let a computer use the 3g internet
Apr 19 10:27:56 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: install 'wifi hotspot'
Apr 19 10:27:59 <BCMM> also, i don't mind about GUI ways to do it on the desktop - teh desktop i can work out for myself
Apr 19 10:28:00 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: as one option
Apr 19 10:28:12 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: It also has WEP encryption!
Apr 19 10:28:13 <mece> BCMM hmm on some distros you can actually get tethering just by plugging it in.
Apr 19 10:28:17 <ZogG> BCMM i dunno if n900 can be recognized as modem or any device sharing the connection but if it is you can use networkmanager
Apr 19 10:28:18 <SpeedEvil> also that
Apr 19 10:28:30 <BCMM> mece: it gets recognised as a USB network device
Apr 19 10:28:40 <ZogG> that has varies guis (knetworkmanager or gnome gtk gui e.g.
Apr 19 10:28:44 <BCMM> but i've had to manually give an ip address to the n900 and to the desktop...
Apr 19 10:29:14 <BCMM> it would make most sense, for tethering, if the n900 offered a DHCP daemon
Apr 19 10:29:21 <ZogG> wait
Apr 19 10:29:39 * BCMM waits
Apr 19 10:30:26 <ZogG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G first of all you would liek to see this
Apr 19 10:30:58 <SpeedEvil> hmm.
Apr 19 10:31:05 * SpeedEvil wonders if powetop is confused
Apr 19 10:31:08 <SpeedEvil>     C0 |   0.7% |          |  1150 MHz |   nan% |
Apr 19 10:31:08 <SpeedEvil>      C1 |   0.0% |          |
Apr 19 10:31:08 <SpeedEvil>   
Apr 19 10:32:04 <Chiku> SpeedEvil, areyou overclocking your n900 ?
Apr 19 10:32:09 <BCMM> ZogG: hmm, when i plugged it into an ubuntu box, it came up as a USB network card, but no ip address
Apr 19 10:32:13 <SpeedEvil> I diddn't think I was
Apr 19 10:32:16 <BCMM> i checked the n900; no ip address there either
Apr 19 10:33:12 <frals> so if powertop reports like 99% in C4 and of the pids none is my daemon, its pretty safe to assume its not doing anything bad in regards to waking up the cpu right?
Apr 19 10:33:14 <SpeedEvil> Chiku: however cat cpuinfo_max_freq
Apr 19 10:33:14 <SpeedEvil> 1150000
Apr 19 10:33:21 <SpeedEvil> frals: pretty much
Apr 19 10:33:33 <SpeedEvil> frals: there are also side-effects
Apr 19 10:33:37 <ZogG> BCMM what do you use for connection?
Apr 19 10:33:46 <Chiku> did you test firefox, does it usable at 1150mhz?
Apr 19 10:33:46 <BCMM> ZogG: ?
Apr 19 10:33:51 <SpeedEvil> frals: like you might be causing the cell modem to wake up and go to sleep
Apr 19 10:34:00 <SpeedEvil> frals: or something - which eats power
Apr 19 10:34:08 <BCMM> ZogG: do you mean what software?
Apr 19 10:34:13 <ZogG> BCMM, ubuntu standart networkmanager?
Apr 19 10:34:18 <BCMM> ZogG: ifconfig...
Apr 19 10:34:20 <frals> SpeedEvil: yeah... but im not interfacing with any of those :)
Apr 19 10:34:21 * Arkenoi wonders how much cheapest new n900 cost now (worldwide)
Apr 19 10:34:44 <ZogG> BCMM, nope i mean app
Apr 19 10:35:05 <BCMM> ZogG: was wanting ssh to be a little more responsive that it was over wlan; plugged it into usb in pc suite mode
Apr 19 10:35:09 <Surfa> Arkenoi, just checked that finland price is 499,90
Apr 19 10:35:20 <BCMM> then used ifconfig on the desktop and on the n900 to create the connection...
Apr 19 10:35:23 <Arkenoi> eur?
Apr 19 10:35:25 <Surfa> Arkenoi, euros of course
Apr 19 10:35:44 <SpeedEvil> frals: I also see no extra power use
Apr 19 10:35:50 <Surfa> sorry for being unclear
Apr 19 10:36:02 <ZogG> BCMM, it's a pity i don't have any ubuntu disk - wait
Apr 19 10:36:03 <Arkenoi> well, there are several places in the world where it costs $500-
Apr 19 10:36:17 <ZogG> i'll turn my laptop on
Apr 19 10:36:17 <BCMM> ZogG: well, it's not actually ubuntu i'm interested in
Apr 19 10:36:39 <BCMM> right now i'm trying to work out which sort of USB network adaptor it was recognised as
Apr 19 10:36:45 <ZogG> yeah - but you are interested in gui - is that you said at first place?
Apr 19 10:36:45 <Arkenoi> US and middle east
Apr 19 10:36:46 <Surfa> Arkenoi, most likely yes, finland is not the most cheapest country with taxes
Apr 19 10:36:46 <BCMM> i don't have that driver on my gentoo box
Apr 19 10:36:53 <ZogG> other wise you can make scripts
Apr 19 10:37:04 <ZogG> with udev rule to run when n900 is connected
Apr 19 10:37:06 <Arkenoi> i am trying to figure out absolute minimum
Apr 19 10:37:10 <Surfa> Arkenoi, simply vat has a huge effect on prices here :)
Apr 19 10:37:11 <ensi> anyone happen to know if this bug is going to be fixed in near future?
Apr 19 10:37:13 <ensi> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8014
Apr 19 10:37:14 <povbot> Bug 8014: WPA2-PSK connection dropped after a few minutes (U.S. Robotics Wireless MAXg Access Point USR5451)
Apr 19 10:37:58 <BCMM> ZogG: interested on not having to open the terminal on the n900 to make the connection
Apr 19 10:38:06 <BCMM> on the desktop, i'm sure i can look after myself :)
Apr 19 10:38:13 * Arkenoi purchased the most recent one for ~$620
Apr 19 10:38:26 <BCMM> ZogG: actually, i'd kind of like to see dmesg after plugging the n900 in in pc suite mode
Apr 19 10:38:39 <BCMM> i stupidly didn't make note of hte kernel module that ubuntu used when i connected it
Apr 19 10:39:11 <ZogG> i have it like nokia mobile phone
Apr 19 10:39:38 <BCMM> ZogG: oh, found a useful wiki page
Apr 19 10:39:49 <BCMM> telling me how to automatically execute commands when going into pc suite mode
Apr 19 10:39:52 <BCMM> taht shold do it for me
Apr 19 10:40:21 <Arkenoi> VAT is 18% here
Apr 19 10:40:32 <BCMM> would somebody be so kind as to tell me which kernel module is used for usb0 (on the other computer) when you plug the n900 into a linux machine?
Apr 19 10:41:16 <ZogG> wait - i'm compiling networkmanager =)
Apr 19 10:41:42 <ZogG> though dunno wich plugins shoould to compile with it =)
Apr 19 10:42:54 <ZogG> BCMM, does your system see the phone in ifconfig as network adapter?
Apr 19 10:43:12 <BCMM> ZogG: well, on the ubuntu machine i used, the phone turned up as usb0
Apr 19 10:43:31 <BCMM> i don't have the relevant driver on my gentoo box, but i'm just about to build a new kernel
Apr 19 10:43:49 <MohammadAG> Morning :)
Apr 19 10:44:00 <ZogG> oh you have gentoo too?
Apr 19 10:44:31 <ZogG> BCMM what is the module in kernel for that? dfo you know?
Apr 19 10:44:39 <SpeedEvil> Can anyone point me at a sane overview of overclocking/undervolting?
Apr 19 10:44:47 <BCMM> ZogG: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Kernel_Configuration
Apr 19 10:44:50 <BCMM> just found it
Apr 19 10:44:54 <BCMM> building the kernel now
Apr 19 10:44:59 <SpeedEvil> I can't find anything due to the hordes of enthusiasts.
Apr 19 10:45:24 <BCMM> i really don't see why it doesn't provide DHCP for tethering
Apr 19 10:45:49 <BCMM> in fact, does it even do tethering over USB?
Apr 19 10:46:01 <BCMM> or will i need to play with netfilter to make it happen?
Apr 19 10:46:46 <ZogG> BCMM, WAIT!!
Apr 19 10:46:52 <ZogG> do not built it yet
Apr 19 10:46:55 <BCMM> ZogG: oh?
Apr 19 10:46:58 <ZogG> found something interesting
Apr 19 10:47:15 <ZogG> the phone network protocol
Apr 19 10:47:21 <ZogG> developed by whome? nokia =)
Apr 19 10:47:32 <ZogG> haha qand it's for maemo =)
Apr 19 10:47:34 <ZogG> sweeet
Apr 19 10:48:13 <ZogG> BCMM, set CONFIG_PHONET=m
Apr 19 10:48:37 <Termana> SpeedEvil - http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking
Apr 19 10:48:49 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 19 10:48:57 <SpeedEvil> I was getting distracted by tmo
Apr 19 10:51:52 <ZogG> BCMM, herE?
Apr 19 10:51:59 <BCMM> yes
Apr 19 10:53:43 <BCMM> ZogG: i think that option is for use on the n900
Apr 19 10:54:16 <ZogG> what?
Apr 19 10:56:03 <BCMM> ZogG: as far as i can see, phonet is for doing low-level things to the 2g/3g network
Apr 19 10:57:28 <BCMM> ZogG: you may be able to use it on a machine that's connected by USB to an n900 to send raw commands the 3g network
Apr 19 10:57:35 <BCMM> ZogG: but i'm more interested in regular TCP
Apr 19 10:57:44 <SpeedEvil> you can't
Apr 19 10:57:54 <SpeedEvil> the modem isolates all stuff
Apr 19 10:58:04 <SpeedEvil> you can only do 'normal' stuff to the network
Apr 19 10:58:12 <Treibholz> what?
Apr 19 10:58:14 <Treibholz> no.
Apr 19 10:58:49 <Treibholz> I can use the modem via Bluetooth, so i t should be possible, to do it lokally, too.
Apr 19 10:59:07 <ZogG> anyway i'm going to shower and work - i'll play around with it later
Apr 19 11:02:54 <ZogG> BCMM what country are you from?
Apr 19 11:03:00 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, any chance you can get NHS care package (blt) ?
Apr 19 11:03:02 <BCMM> uk, why?
Apr 19 11:03:20 <ZogG> vodafone ?
Apr 19 11:05:29 <viliny> is there any kind of vnc server available for the n900?
Apr 19 11:05:36 <Treibholz> yes.
Apr 19 11:05:47 <viliny> server
Apr 19 11:05:50 <viliny> ?
Apr 19 11:05:51 <Treibholz> yes
Apr 19 11:05:58 <viliny> cool... repos already or?
Apr 19 11:06:23 <Treibholz> yes.
Apr 19 11:07:17 <Treibholz> x11vnc
Apr 19 11:07:40 <ensi> yes x11vnc, expect crashing if you change between landscape/portrait mode
Apr 19 11:07:52 <viliny> oh, start the phone etc?
Apr 19 11:08:18 <ensi> vnc server crashing
Apr 19 11:08:19 <viliny> wait... is that like a user script or something? i don't recall seeing any options to switch land/port modes?
Apr 19 11:08:33 <ensi> bring phone app full screen
Apr 19 11:08:42 <ensi> and it switches to portrait automatically
Apr 19 11:08:47 <viliny> ah i see
Apr 19 11:09:05 <viliny> well that sucks, hope they get it working...
Apr 19 11:09:15 <ensi> "they" ? :)
Apr 19 11:09:23 <ensi> you mean "teh community"
Apr 19 11:09:26 <ensi> (;
Apr 19 11:09:28 <Treibholz> viliny: what exactly do you want to do?
Apr 19 11:09:47 <viliny> control my phone from the desktop without wearing the screen with a stylus
Apr 19 11:10:09 <ensi> viliny: it wont work
Apr 19 11:10:12 <frals> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5DyBkYKqnM lol
Apr 19 11:10:17 <viliny> why ensi ?
Apr 19 11:10:19 <lcuk> viliny, doesnt that kindof hamper mobility?
Apr 19 11:10:21 <Treibholz> maybe with dbus?
Apr 19 11:10:21 <MohammadAG> defeating the purpose of portablity
Apr 19 11:10:32 <pupnik> viliny: that is doable.  i control n900 with keyboard / mouse from desktop
Apr 19 11:10:44 <viliny> yes but i am known to use the device at home too
Apr 19 11:10:47 <ensi> viliny: the screen server will switch off and then your vncviewer will not be usable
Apr 19 11:10:52 <ensi> so you'll have to disable screen saver
Apr 19 11:10:58 <ensi> and that will drain the battery
Apr 19 11:11:15 <viliny> and sometimes i dick around with it when etc. inputting lots of terminal commands and junk - i shouldn't really have to explain this :P
Apr 19 11:11:32 <viliny> well if im using a desktop to controll it i might as well put the charger in
Apr 19 11:11:32 <pupnik> try synergy, viliny
Apr 19 11:11:33 <ensi> viliny: easier just so ssh  to the phone if you like to use the terminal
Apr 19 11:11:40 <viliny> thank you pupnik
Apr 19 11:11:57 <pupnik> the n800 binary runs on n900 too
Apr 19 11:12:04 <Treibholz> can't you controll the phone via dbus?
Apr 19 11:12:08 <viliny> ensi: im familiar with ssh and all that, im not looking for alternatives - im specifikally asking for a vnc server and if it is available yet
Apr 19 11:12:16 <ensi> Treibholz: you can if you now the magic (;
Apr 19 11:12:23 <ensi> dbus-send etc.
Apr 19 11:12:57 <ensi> viliny: yeah there is a vnc server but like like i said its not without problems, so i was just suggesting that if you just need to input terminal commands then ssh is better than vnc :)
Apr 19 11:13:04 <viliny> pupnik: last i had a glance at synergy they hadn't updated it in a year, is it still under developement?
Apr 19 11:13:21 <viliny> ensi: absolutely, but i also want the full maemo desktop so :)
Apr 19 11:13:26 * Treibholz should try to port x2x...
Apr 19 11:13:31 <ensi> viliny: fair enough (;
Apr 19 11:14:22 <pupnik> something like that would be nice vili
Apr 19 11:15:13 <viliny> pupnik: synergy only lists 2000 as the newest OS on their site, getting worried it's not very current :)
Apr 19 11:16:30 <pupnik> you can build a newer one
Apr 19 11:16:51 <pupnik> oh win2k
Apr 19 11:17:00 <pupnik> nm
Apr 19 11:17:34 <viliny> using win7k on main desktop... might get tricky & sticky
Apr 19 11:17:52 <viliny> newest files are from 2006
Apr 19 11:17:59 <viliny> thats a pity
Apr 19 11:19:19 <pupnik> yes, your OS is
Apr 19 11:19:42 <viliny> got 2 linux desktops as well
Apr 19 11:20:16 <pupnik> just teasing
Apr 19 11:20:32 <pupnik> they should update their site
Apr 19 11:21:11 <viliny> is it still under developement then?
Apr 19 11:21:43 <pupnik> dont know sorry
Apr 19 11:22:25 <Appiah> synergy works fine one W7
Apr 19 11:22:37 <Appiah> and on Vista
Apr 19 11:22:49 <viliny> but it's the same old version?
Apr 19 11:23:12 <Appiah> ?
Apr 19 11:23:23 <Appiah> still works
Apr 19 11:23:31 <Appiah> is something broken in that release or what?
Apr 19 11:23:37 <Appiah> what's the problem
Apr 19 11:23:59 <viliny> nvm, sorry - i was just put off by the thought that nobody had updated it in 4 years
Apr 19 11:24:29 <Appiah> well you can always try it :)
Apr 19 11:24:42 <DocScrutinizer> ~stats
Apr 19 11:24:42 <infobot> Since Mon Apr 19 07:15:27 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 7 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 6 commands.  I have been awake for 4h 9m 15s this session, and currently reference 116963 factoids.  I'm using about 16560 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 343.92/10.92 child 0.07/0.07
Apr 19 11:24:47 <Appiah> I'm running it on Ubuntu 9.10 , Vista and Win7 right now
Apr 19 11:25:07 <viliny> okay!
Apr 19 11:25:29 <viliny> sounds promising, any quirks?
Apr 19 11:30:50 <thomasvs> anyone else have maemo mapper start at zoom level 294 ?
Apr 19 11:32:58 <Appiah> viliny: happens maybe after 2-3 weeks that synergy server needs to be restarted
Apr 19 11:33:26 <Appiah> I think that problem would go away if the Ubuntu computer was running the server :D
Apr 19 11:33:42 <viliny> hehe, yeah :)
Apr 19 11:33:53 <viliny> but i usually lose that uptime for updates or power outages anyway so
Apr 19 11:34:50 <Treibholz> is there a way to get a "back-button" in portrait-mode in the browser?
Apr 19 11:35:23 <thresh> no
Apr 19 11:38:07 <viliny> Appiah: where'd you get synergy client for the n900?
Apr 19 11:38:29 <Appiah> I didnt say I'm running synergy on n900 >_>
Apr 19 11:38:57 <Appiah> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=508887
Apr 19 11:39:12 <viliny> sorry, i assumed :)
Apr 19 11:39:15 <viliny> thanks
Apr 19 11:42:01 * MohammadAG wants nautilus
Apr 19 11:42:58 <frals> "Has anyone else smelled his #N900? I have updated my #kernel to 900Mhz, and i noticed it smells quite new. Burning new."
Apr 19 11:43:02 <frals> >_<
Apr 19 11:43:14 <viliny> ill take a whiff now
Apr 19 11:43:44 <viliny> just smells like plastic and the leather pouch i keep it in
Apr 19 11:43:47 <viliny> :]
Apr 19 11:43:55 <oscillik> frals: who wrote that?! rofl
Apr 19 11:44:07 <frals> dunno saw it on twitter
Apr 19 11:44:30 <Disconnect> mine has that new-phone smell. mainly cuz its still on a ups truck :)
Apr 19 11:45:39 <frals> would be nice if you could force ppl to read first post in a thread before posting
Apr 19 11:45:44 <frals> @ tmo that is
Apr 19 11:47:23 <petur> Treibholz: what about swiping from right to left to go back?
Apr 19 11:51:04 <viliny> Disconnect: Better hope it doesn't double an fish delivery truck :)
Apr 19 11:51:12 <viliny> double as an*
Apr 19 11:51:24 <Disconnect> heh
Apr 19 11:52:04 * Disconnect is off to a brilliant start - ordered from newegg, sent it to the office so i wouldn't have it on my porch all day. except i work from home mondays and also most of tomorrow. sigh.
Apr 19 11:52:28 <viliny> drive to work?
Apr 19 11:52:45 <viliny> have a colleague swing by your place on the way home?
Apr 19 11:52:58 <viliny> have to coffee boy deliver it to you :)
Apr 19 11:53:02 <viliny> the*
Apr 19 11:53:31 <Disconnect> yah i'm gonna swing to work around lunch. its one of the catered-lunch days (m-w-f) so maybe i'll stay for food
Apr 19 11:55:26 <Arkenoi> well, some people are OCing for several weeks now. If it was *that* bad as we are told, we'd see first unlucky guys who toasted their phones. But there are still none ;-)
Apr 19 11:55:51 <viliny> is midnight commander any good? :P
Apr 19 11:56:07 <viliny> sounds like a muscular dude running around in speedos at night...
Apr 19 11:56:29 <gouverneur> viliny: you know norton commander?
Apr 19 11:56:38 <viliny> no
Apr 19 11:57:33 <gouverneur> viliny: so you are about 20 and/or started your PC experience with windows?
Apr 19 11:57:56 <viliny> im 23 and i started with DOS yes
Apr 19 11:58:02 <gouverneur> you knwo total commander
Apr 19 11:58:07 <viliny> well, actually sony msx but thats not relevant
Apr 19 11:58:28 <Arkenoi> wow, you are 23 and you started with msx? cool
Apr 19 11:58:42 <viliny> hehe :)
Apr 19 11:58:50 <Arkenoi> i thought msx is for old farts like me ;-)
Apr 19 11:59:25 <viliny> i guess it is :] i think i was 7 or 8 when i programmed graphical stuff on it... heavily copying from the guide but come on, id' just learned to read :P
Apr 19 11:59:43 <gouverneur> Arkenoi: more like his dad had one lying around back from the days...
Apr 19 11:59:56 <viliny> gouverneur: thats actually true
Apr 19 12:00:00 <gouverneur> hehe
Apr 19 12:00:07 <viliny> i couldn't afford one at that age :P
Apr 19 12:00:23 <viliny> Amiga held me afloat a good bit after that
Apr 19 12:00:32 <gouverneur> we had a C16 till '94
Apr 19 12:00:38 <viliny> but yeah, only been doing linux for a year now
Apr 19 12:00:52 <viliny> so whats norton commander?
Apr 19 12:01:09 <crashanddie> all these years, and you still haven't learnt to use Google?
Apr 19 12:01:21 <viliny> using right now actually
Apr 19 12:01:23 <gouverneur> viliny: ok then... midnight commander, total commander norton commander are basicaly all the same
Apr 19 12:01:34 <viliny> ok, thanks...
Apr 19 12:01:48 <gouverneur> viliny: total commander is a windows gui though
Apr 19 12:02:00 <crashanddie> viliny: remember the windows explorer on windows 3.1?
Apr 19 12:02:03 <viliny> hey wait, i'we used norton commander
Apr 19 12:02:04 <sp3000> you forgot wing commander
Apr 19 12:02:06 <viliny> heh
Apr 19 12:02:13 <sp3000> that's, like, almost the same thing right :P
Apr 19 12:02:17 <MohammadAG> GNOME commander is a clone of them :)
Apr 19 12:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: are you sue?
Apr 19 12:02:30 <viliny> :]
Apr 19 12:02:31 <gouverneur> sp3000: usable with a joystick right?
Apr 19 12:02:46 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: no, he's julie
Apr 19 12:03:01 <DocScrutinizer> ~spank Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC
Apr 19 12:03:02 * infobot bends Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC's pasty white buttocks.
Apr 19 12:03:38 <viliny> okay this is all coming back to me now...
Apr 19 12:03:43 <gouverneur> hehe
Apr 19 12:04:11 <viliny> got some qbasic flashbacks im not entirely sure im enjoying :)
Apr 19 12:04:20 <Wolfie> qbasic was the best
Apr 19 12:04:32 <gouverneur> viliny: just a tool to see two directories and move stuff around and do fancy tricks for file handling
Apr 19 12:04:37 <Wolfie> especially the moment when I understood that I actually could write cheats into Nibbler
Apr 19 12:04:38 <viliny> yessir
Apr 19 12:04:57 <viliny> wolfie, i made the ape-game go bananas (pun intended)
Apr 19 12:05:04 <Wolfie> that must've been one of the decisive moments in my life :)
Apr 19 12:05:24 <gouverneur> Wolfie: yeah remember doing Beethoven with a qBase script, output with PCspeaker
Apr 19 12:06:07 <Wolfie> viliny: i don't think I touched it that much
Apr 19 12:06:07 <Wolfie> I was, after all, about 8 years old at the time :)
Apr 19 12:06:07 <viliny> hehe, yeah
Apr 19 12:06:07 <BCMM> i don't know how off-topic hardware is
Apr 19 12:06:12 <viliny> wonder if modern youth would challenge them with that sort of stuff now that they don't have to
Apr 19 12:06:20 <BCMM> but does nokia make a higher-capacity battery for the n900?
Apr 19 12:06:29 <viliny> my guess is no
Apr 19 12:06:31 <lupine_85> no, but you can get them
Apr 19 12:06:34 <viliny> never saw one for the 95
Apr 19 12:06:37 <gouverneur> BCMM: never
Apr 19 12:06:56 <Wolfie> BCMM: the definite answer would be to go to the nokia store, choose the n900, and see which accessories it suggests for it
Apr 19 12:06:56 <BCMM> gouverneur: and the 3rd party ones are given to exploding?
Apr 19 12:07:07 <viliny> is the mc i repos for n900?
Apr 19 12:07:13 <Wolfie> but i'm remembering too that there's no official nokia battery
Apr 19 12:07:20 <lupine_85> http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900.html
Apr 19 12:07:28 <gouverneur> BCMM: I wont touch anything till my warranty is worn out
Apr 19 12:07:32 <viliny> i have one of those mugens arriving in the mail atm
Apr 19 12:07:34 <lupine_85> I don't actually have one
Apr 19 12:07:41 <stefan_e> lol they are big as hell
Apr 19 12:07:46 <lupine_85> meh
Apr 19 12:07:49 <viliny> ShadowJK has a mugen battery and keen on sharing
Apr 19 12:07:58 * lupine_85 doesn't have problems with the existing battery
Apr 19 12:08:06 <lupine_85> it lasts all day, what more can one want?
Apr 19 12:08:15 * viliny think lupine_85 has several original batteries on a belt round his waist
Apr 19 12:08:22 <lupine_85> nope, just the one
Apr 19 12:08:37 <viliny> yeah im actually not that dissapointed with the original battery either
Apr 19 12:08:37 <BCMM> hang on, are those aftermarket batteries that are so big they come with a replacement rear case?
Apr 19 12:08:40 <gouverneur> the day after that I will get in my companies clean room and disect, replace the kbd, bond the usb...
Apr 19 12:08:56 <viliny> BCMM: yes, if nokia could have made a better battery in the same size they would have done it
Apr 19 12:09:02 <BCMM> fair enough
Apr 19 12:09:11 <gouverneur> BCMM: what are you doing to your device? I got 3 days uptime with always on wifi
Apr 19 12:09:26 <BCMM> gouverneur: i haven't had it long enough to know if i'm bothered by it
Apr 19 12:09:26 <DocScrutinizer> gouverneur: have fun :-/
Apr 19 12:09:31 <viliny> that sounds great gouverneur, i get around 1,5 with most stuff turned off
Apr 19 12:09:31 <BCMM> gouverneur: just curious so far
Apr 19 12:10:15 <gouverneur> viliny: hmm
Apr 19 12:10:16 <gouverneur> viliny: widgets?
Apr 19 12:10:16 <MiXu-> I've got no problem either. Usually I can use the N900 for two days without charging.
Apr 19 12:10:16 <MiXu-> If I use it alot during the day then it's one day.
Apr 19 12:10:21 <gouverneur> DocScrutinizer: I will have cause I guess I will have a new device then anyway
Apr 19 12:10:26 <DocScrutinizer> gouverneur: to be more constructive... Take damn care of the FPC
Apr 19 12:10:32 <BCMM> gouverneur: does a mobile data connection draw more power than wifi?
Apr 19 12:10:33 <viliny> think i get about 8 hours of constant emulator usage - perhaps 2 days if i don't dick around with it much and 1,5 if use it as a mp3-fm transmitter in the car... which uses surprisingly little battery
Apr 19 12:10:40 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: yes - _lots_ more
Apr 19 12:10:45 <viliny> gouverneur: not many widgets at all
Apr 19 12:10:49 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: for a 1s ping - maybe a hundred times more
Apr 19 12:10:52 <BCMM> oh, i guess that makes a lot of sense actually
Apr 19 12:11:06 <viliny> gouverneur: inactive pedometer and some todo-widgets but nothing that constantly updates
Apr 19 12:11:08 <BCMM> yeah, i flattened it once by forgetting to turn that off
Apr 19 12:11:13 <gouverneur> MiXu-: yeah turning on music and gps gets me down to a day or two (something like 32h I guess)
Apr 19 12:11:17 * MohammadAG hates how the end key doesn't work in the browser
Apr 19 12:12:17 <viliny> can't find midnight-commander in repos
Apr 19 12:12:22 <viliny> where'd you get it?
Apr 19 12:12:31 <MohammadAG> mc
Apr 19 12:12:38 <MohammadAG> search for mc
Apr 19 12:12:56 <gouverneur> BCMM: especialy cell-network drains a lot, bad connections like in building keep it active and power up to hold it
Apr 19 12:12:59 <DocScrutinizer> viliny: you noticed the search options in hildon appmanager?
Apr 19 12:13:54 <mece> FYI: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=617595&postcount=44
Apr 19 12:13:54 <gouverneur> I turned wifi to 10mW and saved at least 1 day with it
Apr 19 12:14:01 <BCMM> gouverneur: yeah, i know about phones increasing power to reach distant masts
Apr 19 12:14:28 <pupnik> gouverneur: the community additions for cell radio control are great
Apr 19 12:14:31 <mece> does anyone remember if Heroes of Might and Magic use rightclick for something?
Apr 19 12:14:34 <BCMM> gouverneur: my old phone that did only phone calls and texts over GSM would go flat noticably faster on trains
Apr 19 12:14:41 <viliny> DocScrutinizer: yes, Midnight gave me null
Apr 19 12:14:44 <BCMM> (always moving in and out of range)
Apr 19 12:14:50 <viliny> thanks MohammadAG !
Apr 19 12:14:53 <gouverneur> PR1.0 about 18hours... tweaking and following PRs made it to those +3days
Apr 19 12:15:09 <MohammadAG> np :)
Apr 19 12:15:15 <ufa> hi
Apr 19 12:15:17 <pupnik> mece: how about camera button activates right-click?
Apr 19 12:15:24 <ufa> I cannot use my n900 as a modem on fedora
Apr 19 12:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> viliny: probably you've not noticed the "search in name and description" option then, despite you claim you did
Apr 19 12:15:36 <mece> I was asking if it needs it. not how to modify it.
Apr 19 12:15:41 <ufa> it says: cdc_acm 1-1:1.6: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is not a modem.
Apr 19 12:15:50 <mece> pupnik, ctrl-click is my method though
Apr 19 12:15:58 <DocScrutinizer> or you had a typo in your searchstring
Apr 19 12:16:02 <ufa> it works on debian though
Apr 19 12:16:04 <viliny> i did not claim anything - i just told you that im aware of the search function in the repository
Apr 19 12:16:15 <pupnik> do you set that up in xmodmap mece ?
Apr 19 12:16:21 <viliny> i don't tend to use it a lot though so i had missed the specific searches
Apr 19 12:16:26 <mece> pupnik, no, modify source
Apr 19 12:16:36 <pupnik> ok :)
Apr 19 12:16:38 <gouverneur> BCMM: hehe you know speed is an issue, keeping connections on fast moving vehicles is possible but not expected
Apr 19 12:16:45 <DocScrutinizer> viliny: or you have no *-devel repo enabled
Apr 19 12:16:51 <viliny> i have all repos enabled
Apr 19 12:16:59 <mece> pupnik, I don't know about configs and xmodmaps, so I rather do it in c++.
Apr 19 12:17:05 <viliny> lift me up from the sandbox and onto the swings in your please :P
Apr 19 12:17:10 <viliny> in your mind*
Apr 19 12:17:11 <pupnik> mece same here
Apr 19 12:17:33 <mece> pupnik, anyway, the game is actually pretty smooth
Apr 19 12:17:48 <pupnik> i think other people would appreciate that feature
Apr 19 12:17:57 <mece> pupnik, rightclick?
Apr 19 12:18:06 <pupnik> ayeah
Apr 19 12:18:14 <mece> but does the game use rightclick?
Apr 19 12:18:18 <pupnik> dunno
Apr 19 12:18:35 <mece> if it doesn't I don't want to bother actually modding it, since it works as-is.
Apr 19 12:19:01 <gouverneur> viliny: as far as I am concerned... are you sure about using devel as you seem not to be that experienced with linux?!
Apr 19 12:19:10 <mece> if someone replys to the thread that it's needed, I'll mod it, if I can.
Apr 19 12:19:17 <mece> anyway. gotta go. try the game, it's nice.,
Apr 19 12:19:48 <gouverneur> ufa: I guess the easiest way is to setup usb networking
Apr 19 12:20:03 <gouverneur> so it works in all places the same
Apr 19 12:20:19 <mece> one more thing
Apr 19 12:20:34 <ufa> but why it works with Network_manager on ubntu and debian
Apr 19 12:20:35 <mece> can I say some semi-legal stuff here without getting maemo into trouble?
Apr 19 12:20:54 <BCMM> is it possible to install Synergy?
Apr 19 12:20:56 <mece> eh better not.
Apr 19 12:20:56 <ufa> just in fedora it doesnt :(
Apr 19 12:20:58 <mece> tata
Apr 19 12:22:36 <pupnik> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8629609.stm   Just fly at 12,500 feet, never cross the ash.  Charge passengers for the extra fuel.
Apr 19 12:22:57 <loft306> duh
Apr 19 12:29:34 <viliny> gouverneur: well i'we taken some shortcuts here and there but been messing around with linux a lot lately... yes im sure i have all the repos added to the n900
Apr 19 12:31:44 <gouverneur> viliny: the question is not if it is active but if you are sure you are able to handle a f*** up device without reflashing it all the time you do
Apr 19 12:32:12 <viliny> okay well yeah im pretty confident - lets stop before this gets any more patronizing
Apr 19 12:35:29 * DocScrutinizer takes a note a patch xchat & konversation to implement tags to users
Apr 19 12:37:00 <viliny> # Viliny "Newbie" ? :P
Apr 19 12:37:13 <DocScrutinizer> nah, overclocker
Apr 19 12:37:25 <viliny> ah, i see... but what personal gain do you get from that?
Apr 19 12:37:51 <DocScrutinizer> helps me with my rotten old brain
Apr 19 12:38:10 <viliny> okay - first thought was to invalidate my concerns because my device is overclocked :)
Apr 19 12:38:44 <DocScrutinizer> quite to the point :-P
Apr 19 12:38:52 <gouverneur> viliny: its like a group feature, show all ppl with tags 'canada', 'work' and 'booking'
Apr 19 12:39:36 <viliny> yes, got that :)
Apr 19 12:39:45 <gouverneur> there is more than only one useful case for tagging ppl
Apr 19 12:39:58 <viliny> yes....
Apr 19 12:40:33 <gouverneur> my email alias list is something like $location.$company.$lastname.$firstname
Apr 19 12:40:44 * DocScrutinizer tags noobmonk3y as premium troll
Apr 19 12:41:00 <viliny> yup
Apr 19 12:41:27 * noobmonk3y has troll stamped on his forehead
Apr 19 12:41:27 <viliny> useful if you want to list all the employed canadians in the channel i guess
Apr 19 12:41:56 * DocScrutinizer changes noobmonk3y' tag to 'see forehead'
Apr 19 12:42:01 <noobmonk3y> at least i'm a friendly troll, and not a grumpy fcucker ;)
Apr 19 12:42:46 * DocScrutinizer tags DocScrutinizer with 'beware! Old grumpy fart'
Apr 19 12:43:03 <viliny> hehe, mod to change battery indicator icons to doom wounded face... nice
Apr 19 12:43:58 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 19 12:45:40 <flux> actually what would be nice would be the doom disk icon appear whenever the device is swapping
Apr 19 12:45:57 <flux> but I guess that'd need to be implemented in the kernel so that it'd be responsive and produce little load in itself
Apr 19 12:46:18 <viliny> doom disk icon?
Apr 19 12:46:21 * DocScrutinizer points to load applet
Apr 19 12:46:42 <flux> docscrutinizer, it shows paging?
Apr 19 12:47:24 <DocScrutinizer> well, when memory usage is maxed out, you'd expect it's swapping. But no, it doesn't show the particular page-miss
Apr 19 12:48:50 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless it's the natural candidate to implement this extended function
Apr 19 12:49:45 <X-Fade> It seems swapping is done quite agressively though.
Apr 19 12:50:43 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, some guys feeling venturous twiddled with the settings (in /proc ?) for swappiness
Apr 19 12:51:13 <DocScrutinizer> and relatives
Apr 19 12:52:14 <DocScrutinizer> but I seem to see your point - it's swapping even when memory isn't at 100% usage
Apr 19 12:52:45 <RST38h> yep
Apr 19 12:53:08 <nid0> decreasing swappiness should be perfectly safe, I lowered mine a while back
Apr 19 12:53:36 <DocScrutinizer> on a sidenote - my device isn't in Finland. So no delays caused by sending back postponed due to ashes
Apr 19 12:53:37 <RST38h> did it help?
Apr 19 12:53:52 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Apr 19 12:54:50 <nid0> tbh I cant say there's any visible improvement, but there's also no worsening, and i'm happy knowing the device is swapping less often when it has ram available
Apr 19 12:55:03 <DocScrutinizer> probably hard to answer by a simple yes/no
Apr 19 12:55:14 <Treibholz> hmm, swappiness is set to 100 by default?!
Apr 19 12:55:18 <nid0> yeah
Apr 19 12:55:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep, think so
Apr 19 12:55:34 <Treibholz> that's higher than on my workstation...
Apr 19 12:56:15 <DocScrutinizer> tuning such parameters is a high art - its effects are subtle
Apr 19 12:56:47 * Treibholz tries 50 now.
Apr 19 12:56:50 <DocScrutinizer> while some usecases might be faster, others may slow down
Apr 19 12:57:05 <nid0> i've ended up sticking with 60 - some people on tmo are reporting their device being perfectly fine at 30 and getting battery life improvements from it
Apr 19 12:57:24 <nid0> though unless you're really hammering your device hard, i'm tempted to put any noticeable battery life change down as fud
Apr 19 12:57:37 <DocScrutinizer> and a lot more sensible than messing around with OC ;-P
Apr 19 12:58:18 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: the placebo syndrome
Apr 19 12:58:36 <DocScrutinizer> veeeery common on system tuners
Apr 19 12:58:37 <nid0> yeah basically
Apr 19 12:59:26 <Treibholz> as I said before, the CPU is not the problem.
Apr 19 12:59:50 <DocScrutinizer> I usually observed reported results are the better the harder the tweaking had been ;-P
Apr 19 13:00:22 * GAN900 yawns
Apr 19 13:00:43 * DocScrutinizer moos at GAN900
Apr 19 13:00:51 <GAN900> If anybody's still in SF this morning and looking for time to kill, I'm in the airport area.
Apr 19 13:00:58 <GAN900> Yo, DocScrutinizer.
Apr 19 13:02:12 <Disconnect> is the maemo community still focussed around forums or have they moved up into the 90s with email lists? :)
Apr 19 13:02:30 <DocScrutinizer> Treibholz: CPU becomes a problem when you learn about electromigration caused by OC the hard way
Apr 19 13:02:46 <Treibholz> Disconnect: unfortunatelly there is to much in forums.
Apr 19 13:02:56 <GAN900> Disconnect, depends on how you define "community". :)
Apr 19 13:03:13 <Treibholz> forums are a very, very slow way of communicating and readling subjects.
Apr 19 13:03:16 <GAN900> Disconnect, there has always been tons of activity on the forums, lists and IRC.
Apr 19 13:03:34 <GAN900> Disconnect, all three of which have been around since 2005. :)
Apr 19 13:03:43 <Disconnect> GAN900: for example, half of the android 'bleeding edge' stuff is on xda-dev forums. the interesting bits are on mailing lists w/ google groups for web-centric readers..
Apr 19 13:03:50 <ufa> does anybody here is using n900 as a modem on Fedora?
Apr 19 13:04:05 <Arkenoi> Is there a way to remove "old" profiles applet from menu in favor of profilesX?
Apr 19 13:04:08 <Disconnect> GAN900: yah. just saying. forums are very 1980s-bbs.. you go to this place, you read it in their format with their software, etc. :)
Apr 19 13:04:51 <DocScrutinizer> profilesX? thought that's been tweakr formerly
Apr 19 13:05:18 <Arkenoi> it looks better than tweakr
Apr 19 13:05:23 <DocScrutinizer> Disconnect: couldn't agree more
Apr 19 13:05:38 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: aah
Apr 19 13:08:04 <DocScrutinizer> Disconnect: alas it's virtually impossible to tear down a forum once it exists. On openmoko we always refused to install company-driven forum, and eventually when bitching was too annoying we got that freaking js-frontend which my brain refuses to remember the name of it
Apr 19 13:08:12 <DocScrutinizer> (for the ML)
Apr 19 13:09:32 <Disconnect> yah. i'd -much- rather see a ml with google groups (or MARC, or similar) than "oh its a forum, good luck with that".. if its an ML I can read it on a dozen devices (with push notification ;) ..) plus at least 1 web interface of my choosing (webmail). if its a forum .. ugh. and i have to poll for changes.
Apr 19 13:09:32 <DocScrutinizer> nabble - WAAAAAH
Apr 19 13:10:12 <Disconnect> ok so check this out. i get my n900 later today (yaay!) and I got invited to http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/apr/HQ_M10-057_SDO_1st_Light.html :) :)
Apr 19 13:10:16 <DocScrutinizer> Disconnect: our words - to the point
Apr 19 13:10:41 <Disconnect> BUT that means I have a dilemma. I'm expected to tweet it. do I use the g1 (crappy photos/video but great twitter clients) or do I use the n900 (no idea about clients but takes decent pic/vid)
Apr 19 13:10:58 <Disconnect> oh and the battery has gotta last 6 hours while doing it..
Apr 19 13:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> Disconnect: battery needs an initial good charging
Apr 19 13:11:58 <RST38h> And you kinda expect us to suggest that you use G1?
Apr 19 13:12:02 <Disconnect> ok i have hopefully 48 hours to do that
Apr 19 13:12:15 <DocScrutinizer> then use N900 :-D
Apr 19 13:12:48 <Disconnect> RST38h: i expect to get a reasonable answer - i have (effectively) zero time to get up to speed, learn the clients, etc. if thats not feasible, then i'll delay the transition until after the event.
Apr 19 13:13:11 <Disconnect> i know zero about whats available for tweeting on the n900. esp with video posting (if it was just straight twitter i'd use the browser and be fine)
Apr 19 13:13:23 <RST38h> Oh well, the clients are available from Extras / Extras Testing repositories
Apr 19 13:13:25 <Treibholz> mauku is ok
Apr 19 13:13:46 <RST38h> The battery will last 15h in "normal" operation, 5h under heavy load.
Apr 19 13:14:02 <RST38h> May want to drop power supply into your pocket, just in case.
Apr 19 13:14:06 <Disconnect> ok cool. probably this'll be closer to 8 hours than 15 but thats more than enough. i can charge at work before/after.
Apr 19 13:14:21 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to get a spare battery at your nearest Nokia shop
Apr 19 13:14:22 <Disconnect> yah. they aren't sure about the venue - moved from air&space to newseum, so they don't know about wifi, power points, etc.
Apr 19 13:14:29 * Treibholz always has the USB-Cable with him.
Apr 19 13:14:35 <Disconnect> the nearest shop was NYC.. yeah..
Apr 19 13:14:45 * Disconnect is in wash dc
Apr 19 13:14:53 <RST38h> Yea
Apr 19 13:15:09 <RST38h> If you have got TMobile SIM, it should work fine in N900
Apr 19 13:15:20 <DocScrutinizer> USA tzzz
Apr 19 13:15:21 <Disconnect> yah that part i'm not worried about. and 3g coverage downtown is great recently
Apr 19 13:15:57 <RST38h> The low light performance of the camera is kinda shitty and it has no zoom, keep that in mind
Apr 19 13:16:05 <Disconnect> trust me, its -way- better than the g1.
Apr 19 13:16:24 <RST38h> In perfect conditions though, it is about as good as a low-cost point&shoot
Apr 19 13:16:48 <DocScrutinizer> no zoom?
Apr 19 13:17:00 <DocScrutinizer> no *optical* zoom
Apr 19 13:17:01 <RST38h> no real (i.e. optical) zoom
Apr 19 13:17:09 <RST38h> Digital "zoom" does not count.
Apr 19 13:17:14 <DocScrutinizer> yesyes
Apr 19 13:17:26 <Macer> ok
Apr 19 13:17:30 <Macer> i just ordered my n900
Apr 19 13:17:38 <RST38h> *again*?
Apr 19 13:17:41 <Macer> i swear if an n910 comes out next week i will be pissed
Apr 19 13:17:50 <Macer> RST38h: heh.. it was messing up earlier
Apr 19 13:17:54 <Macer> i was getting it from dell
Apr 19 13:17:57 <SpeedEvil> Macer: aren'yt you in the EU - I forget
Apr 19 13:18:01 <Macer> no
Apr 19 13:18:05 <SpeedEvil> oh
Apr 19 13:18:06 <Macer> chicago
Apr 19 13:18:08 <Disconnect> digital zoom is called 'cropping'
Apr 19 13:18:17 <SpeedEvil> Honest digital zoom
Apr 19 13:18:26 <crashanddie> Disconnect: depends, not on all cameras
Apr 19 13:18:42 <Macer> RST38h: i didn't order it a long time ago. i was going to but then i decided against it
Apr 19 13:18:50 <Disconnect> btw g1 video exampl: http://www.twitvid.com/KXESS it was super bright and loud. note the jello effect when the camera shifts :/ as long as it can beat that its ok :)
Apr 19 13:18:55 <Macer> i learned that mistake from the AI Touchbook
Apr 19 13:19:00 <Macer> always give things a couple of months ;)
Apr 19 13:19:06 <RST38h> Macer: Ah =)
Apr 19 13:19:09 <Macer> haha
Apr 19 13:19:14 <SpeedEvil> wrt camera - light
Apr 19 13:19:16 <RST38h> Hey, you can still order Pandora, it is still coming!
Apr 19 13:19:16 <SpeedEvil> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=481097#post481097
Apr 19 13:19:19 <Macer> i waited and wanted to see if it sucked
Apr 19 13:19:23 <Macer> RST38h: haha
Apr 19 13:19:29 <Macer> i was all amped up for the touchbook
Apr 19 13:19:30 <RST38h> Engadget says Pandora looks more promising every week!
Apr 19 13:19:39 <Macer> and when i got it.. it was the biggest piece of shit i've ever used
Apr 19 13:19:47 <Disconnect> btw newegg had it for $518 delivered next-business-day (ok cuz i ordered friday :) ..)
Apr 19 13:19:48 <Macer> isn't a pandora like an omap3 gaming unit?
Apr 19 13:19:50 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: lol
Apr 19 13:20:17 <pupnik> yes macer
Apr 19 13:20:23 <Macer> why would anybody care about a pandora anymore?
Apr 19 13:20:32 <Macer> sure 4 years ago when it was announced it was awesome
Apr 19 13:20:36 <DocScrutinizer> gread d-pads
Apr 19 13:20:37 <RST38h> Macer: Out of morbid curiosity?
Apr 19 13:20:43 <DocScrutinizer> great
Apr 19 13:20:47 <Macer> but if it came out now it would just be some omap3 thing
Apr 19 13:20:48 <Macer> :)
Apr 19 13:20:55 <Macer> which everyting is going to be anyways
Apr 19 13:21:18 <Macer> all that i know is that the touchbook was the worst thing i have ever bought .. EVER
Apr 19 13:21:22 <Macer> haha
Apr 19 13:21:25 <pupnik> macer, you are failing to acknowledge what makes pandora unique
Apr 19 13:21:48 <Macer> pupnik: the fact that it has 1,000,000,000 preorders for something that will never be real ? :)
Apr 19 13:21:58 <crashanddie> pupnik: bad timing, worse development and horrendous sales?
Apr 19 13:22:12 <E0x> heh
Apr 19 13:22:17 <RST38h> pupnik: and what makes it unique?
Apr 19 13:22:31 <Disconnect> http://twitpic.com/15pxaj is an example of a well-lit restaurant pic (g1 again). if the n900 can beat that, i'm fine. :) (i really miss my e90 for pics.)
Apr 19 13:22:31 <Macer> can it play DS games?
Apr 19 13:22:34 <Macer> haha
Apr 19 13:22:36 <DocScrutinizer> raster and me planned to cooperate with pandora to build the OM+ (aka rasterphone) based on that. Wonder why it never happened XP
Apr 19 13:22:38 <Disconnect> ugh tmo is not responding
Apr 19 13:22:47 <Macer> Disconnect: the cam on the g1 sucks ass
Apr 19 13:22:52 <Disconnect> yah
Apr 19 13:22:55 <Macer> the n900 has a camera similar to an n95
Apr 19 13:23:08 <Macer> which was an awesome phone :)
Apr 19 13:23:12 <E0x> hmm , sometime i get timeout from talk.maemo.org , somebody is happening the same ?
Apr 19 13:23:13 <Macer> i miss my n95
Apr 19 13:23:14 <crashanddie> Disconnect: that's a seriously crappy pic, yeah, the N900 will beat that hands down
Apr 19 13:23:15 <Macer> but i could do att anymore
Apr 19 13:23:35 <Macer> n95 does h264 dvd quality video too doesn't it?
Apr 19 13:23:38 <Macer> like the n95 did?
Apr 19 13:23:39 <E0x> Macer: n95 not have better quality in video recording ?
Apr 19 13:23:49 <Disconnect> crashanddie: it wasn't floodlit (it does ok with slow motion/still shots in the sun) but it wasn't dark. that looks like "romantic dinner" light, but it was actually "crabshack and bar" bright :)
Apr 19 13:23:51 <Macer> video recording on a g1?
Apr 19 13:24:05 <Macer> my n95 was like a no kidding camcorder haha
Apr 19 13:24:11 <Macer> great video
Apr 19 13:24:15 <crashanddie> Disconnect: that's what I'm saying: that's a seriously crappy picture
Apr 19 13:24:15 <E0x> better that n900
Apr 19 13:24:17 <Disconnect> Macer: see my twitvid link above for video. and that -was- floodlit.
Apr 19 13:24:22 <Macer> didn't really kill the battery too bad either
Apr 19 13:25:01 * Arkenoi wonders if 850MHz/1.2V is worse for cpu life than 600MHz/1.35 (stock) and if yes, how can it be ;-)
Apr 19 13:25:07 <E0x> talking about battery , i active 3g in my n900 and damn that thing eat a lot of battery power
Apr 19 13:25:42 <Arkenoi> e0x: i guess you never seen really nasty 3g networks and do not know how really *bad* looks
Apr 19 13:25:44 <E0x> was the first time i saw the power bar in red in my 3 week of use
Apr 19 13:25:45 <E0x> of n900
Apr 19 13:25:45 <Macer> E0x: i think 6 hours was what it normally lasts
Apr 19 13:25:56 <Disconnect> Arkenoi: voltage isn't amperage ? :)
Apr 19 13:26:22 <E0x> Arkenoi: true is my first time working with some 3g network
Apr 19 13:26:26 <Arkenoi> complete battery drain in two hours and inability to charge while data transmission is active (phone shows it is charging but actually it is draining)
Apr 19 13:26:38 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: for all that matters either 850/1.2 is freaking wacky and instable, or 600/1.35 is a major brainfuck
Apr 19 13:26:40 <Arkenoi> i've seen network spots *that* bad ;-)
Apr 19 13:26:50 <ToJa92> I have had 3G activated for ~8 hours now, almost full battery bar :D
Apr 19 13:27:10 <E0x> Arkenoi: so you say that kind of power drain is because nasty 3g network ?
Apr 19 13:27:17 <Disconnect> Arkenoi: g1 can do that - bring the brightness up and use gps+heavy 3g data. or gps+heavy cpu. (eg google navigate)
Apr 19 13:27:40 <E0x> my network switch a lot from 3g to 3.5g is this normal ?
Apr 19 13:27:47 <Disconnect> doesn't need bad reception, just simple physics - it can only draw about an amp, but it can use about 1.2 or so at full omg -voooom- usage.
Apr 19 13:27:51 <Arkenoi> e0x: yep. i thought my phone is failing first time i seen it. and it was *different* phone that time
Apr 19 13:27:58 <Disconnect> i'd be surprised if the n900 couldn't do that also. lots of devices can.
Apr 19 13:30:16 <E0x> in another topic , i was doing some research for try to do a app that can control mediaplayer with headset control and i find a thread about some app that do that but was outdated read the whole thread look like n900 dont registre dbus call of headset button
Apr 19 13:30:38 <E0x> only in phone mode , look like driver/kernel things
Apr 19 13:30:42 <E0x> any clue about this ?
Apr 19 13:31:18 <E0x> this is something that you can wait be fixed in PR1.2 ?
Apr 19 13:31:35 <E0x> a least expose in all moment the dbus calls ?
Apr 19 13:31:56 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: nevertheless keep in mind the OMAP3xxx has smartreflex autonomous regulator functionblocks that don't care about any core voltage setting and adjust current for some subsystems so it meets the clockfreq requirements
Apr 19 13:32:04 <timeless_mbp> E0x: i doubt  it
Apr 19 13:32:24 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: so even at 800/1.2 the current in some subsystems may be higher than at 600/1.35
Apr 19 13:32:56 <E0x> timeless_mbp: could nice if they only make haeadset dbus call be listen all the time
Apr 19 13:33:49 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: and as you for sure won't outsmart the TI engineers, I strongly recommend not to try to do so, based on a rather poor understanding of the complex background
Apr 19 13:33:59 <timeless_mbp> E0x: would you like to wait 10 years, or 11 years for the next software update?
Apr 19 13:34:16 <timeless_mbp> every "feature" request someone makes potentially delays shipping the product by 2 months minimum
Apr 19 13:34:57 <Disconnect> timeless: er, mms was a feature request. istr it didn't delay shipping at all, so the community filled it in :)
Apr 19 13:35:06 <Arkenoi> timeless, and they kill a kitten as well
Apr 19 13:35:10 <E0x> heh
Apr 19 13:35:19 <timeless_mbp> Disconnect: E0x didn't ask the community to do it
Apr 19 13:35:25 <timeless_mbp> he asked nokia to change stuff
Apr 19 13:35:27 <timeless_mbp> which reminds me
Apr 19 13:35:32 * timeless_mbp owes frals a lookup
Apr 19 13:35:32 <E0x> i ask only expose the dbus call
Apr 19 13:35:36 <Treibholz> who the hell uses mms?
Apr 19 13:35:38 <E0x> and the comunity do the rest
Apr 19 13:35:40 <timeless_mbp> E0x: that's a change in code
Apr 19 13:35:46 * Treibholz knows nobody
Apr 19 13:35:47 <timeless_mbp> 2 months setback, minimum
Apr 19 13:35:48 <noobmonk3y> Treibholz: I sent another MMS today wohoooooooo
Apr 19 13:35:52 <E0x> 50/50 is fair for me
Apr 19 13:35:53 <E0x> :D
Apr 19 13:35:54 <Disconnect> Treibholz: spoken like a true iphone user ;) ;)
Apr 19 13:35:57 * noobmonk3y also thinks frals  may have sent one or two
Apr 19 13:35:57 <timeless_mbp> i'm asking. do you want to wait 10 years or 11 years for the next service release?
Apr 19 13:36:04 <timeless_mbp> (which is already overdue)
Apr 19 13:36:08 <Treibholz> Disconnect: I never used it on any other phone as well!
Apr 19 13:36:21 <Treibholz> it's just a crappy workaround like color-fax
Apr 19 13:36:52 <Treibholz> who needs MMS, if you have e-mail?
Apr 19 13:36:56 <noobmonk3y> i have to admit of the instant picture send i quite like it, could live without it, but not everyone has email on their phones, mms is just instant :D
Apr 19 13:36:59 <evilBunny> indeed :)
Apr 19 13:37:04 <Disconnect> Treibholz: most devices (including n900) can't do push email. and you don't always need a 5mp image. so "snap pic, shoot thumbnail to other phone" has a solid use-case
Apr 19 13:37:13 <noobmonk3y> Treibholz: most cheaper fones can mms but not email!
Apr 19 13:37:32 <Treibholz> noobmonk3y: tell them to buy a better device.
Apr 19 13:37:41 <evilBunny> email to mms is a jiffy :)
Apr 19 13:37:47 <Disconnect> yah. "where are you sitting we're totally not finding you in this crowd" "right here" .. "is this the thing you want from the store?" .. "hey, look at all the [food/drink/cats/party hats] we have, you should join us!"
Apr 19 13:37:53 <Treibholz> Disconnect: it's way easier to implement IMAP Idle.
Apr 19 13:38:49 <Arkenoi> Disconnect, n900 does push email pretty good with NM or MfE
Apr 19 13:39:41 <Disconnect> Treibholz: ok. when you come back with a working imap idle client for the top 10 OSs (s60, s40, sony-ericsson, android, n900, palm, j2me..) -and- get it signed by the carriers (since tmob and at&t tend to lock net access to signed apps on their lowend phones) we can talk about how imap is better than mms. but the fact remains, it already exists on all those devices...
Apr 19 13:39:57 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 19 13:40:04 <Disconnect> Aranel: good to know, can't wait to check it out ;)
Apr 19 13:40:05 <noobmonk3y> and its a money maker for them all
Apr 19 13:40:19 <noobmonk3y> as i have no mms bundle, 36p per mss! why would they dare get rid of it?!
Apr 19 13:40:24 <noobmonk3y> mms*
Apr 19 13:40:42 <Disconnect> noobmonk3y: disable the auto-retrieve. most carriers let you get them off the web instead
Apr 19 13:40:49 <crashanddie> Disconnect: 3MP is enough for most people
Apr 19 13:40:59 <crashanddie> Disconnect: and I do actually mean 99% of the world population and uses
Apr 19 13:41:31 <noobmonk3y> Disconnect:  - yeah thats how i do it normally
Apr 19 13:41:32 <Disconnect> crashanddie: thats my point though, 99% of the time if you are sending a pic to someone's portable device you don't need a full-res version. you just need something that is usable on that device, so mms is perfect for that
Apr 19 13:41:50 <crashanddie> Disconnect: well, even for display on an HDTV, 3MP is enough ;)
Apr 19 13:41:56 <Macer> i think when i get my n900 i am going to run over this g1 with my car
Apr 19 13:41:58 <Treibholz> Disconnect: I say, it's way easier to implement IMAP IDLE than MMS + MMS is prehistoric.
Apr 19 13:42:05 <Macer> just because all the jabber clients suck
Apr 19 13:42:05 <crashanddie> Disconnect: and a 22" monitor, 3MP is enough too
Apr 19 13:42:32 <Treibholz> Macer: the one in the n900 isn't very good either.
Apr 19 13:42:39 <Treibholz> (compared to PSI)
Apr 19 13:42:41 <crashanddie> Disconnect: so yeah, having a 3000px wide picture on a 800px wide device, is really ridiculous -- pure marketing
Apr 19 13:42:45 <Macer> it uses telepathy doesn't it?
Apr 19 13:42:51 <Treibholz> Macer: yes :-(
Apr 19 13:42:57 <Arkenoi> s40 still does not have email client?
Apr 19 13:42:59 <gouverneur> Treibholz: did you try to port any caldav client yet?
Apr 19 13:42:59 <Macer> i liked telepathy on my n810 ;)
Apr 19 13:43:03 <Arkenoi> i thought it does have
Apr 19 13:43:16 <Treibholz> gouverneur: I am still playing.
Apr 19 13:43:18 <Disconnect> lesee.. last 4 mms's i sent. pic of the swinging doors @ 'horse you came in on' in baltimore ("where are you?" "[picture]"). went to a cheap flip-phone, no email support. same day, "where are you sitting" [pic of the group on the stairs watching the pirate ship battle] .. hmm. oh. "what are you doing today" [pic of men warehouse cuz i needed a tux for a wedding]
Apr 19 13:43:30 * noobmonk3y thinks frals should have single handedly put a better front camera in every device whilst he was sorting out the MMS issue - almost as easy as world peace ;)
Apr 19 13:43:31 <Disconnect> so last 3 instead of 4, but still. none of those needed full-frame.
Apr 19 13:43:35 <Disconnect> er, full res i mean
Apr 19 13:44:41 <timeless_mbp> fwiw
Apr 19 13:44:41 <lcuk> crashanddie, limiting photos to such an arbritary value is wrong, you never know - csi might need to enhance the pixles and identify the criminal!
Apr 19 13:44:44 <timeless_mbp> we got a cute bug recently
Apr 19 13:44:51 <timeless_mbp> bug "browser doesn't crash often enough"
Apr 19 13:44:54 <crashanddie> amazing, some criminal is murdered in jail, and half australia is mourning
Apr 19 13:45:19 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, ?
Apr 19 13:45:21 <crashanddie> lcuk: well, they don't need 10mpx... they can do it from a 480x340 security camera anyway
Apr 19 13:45:25 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: seriously
Apr 19 13:46:11 <timeless_mbp> i think the fix is to add some extra periodic crashes to the browser...
Apr 19 13:46:24 * timeless_mbp isn't sure if we'll get approval for that
Apr 19 13:46:31 <Disconnect> timeless_mbp: if it doesn't teleport enough goats, it won't crash on time
Apr 19 13:46:40 * DocScrutinizer curses nonsense in wiki/overclocking stating electromigration is mainly a function of temperature. It's NOT, it is caused by current density, and temperature might come in to make things worse if anything
Apr 19 13:46:42 <marmoute> timeless_mbp: do you have a link to the bug report ?
Apr 19 13:47:01 <timeless_mbp> marmoute: it wasn't provided in the email i received
Apr 19 13:47:07 <Treibholz> gouverneur: basic import is working, but i'm not parsing icalendar correctly, yet.
Apr 19 13:47:08 <timeless_mbp> and i'm not sure i want to generally share it
Apr 19 13:47:17 <timeless_mbp> but lcuk can confirm the general bug description
Apr 19 13:47:31 <marmoute> What was the motivation of this bug ?
Apr 19 13:47:41 <marmoute> (report)
Apr 19 13:48:25 <timeless_mbp> other apps were complaining about running slowly and swapping
Apr 19 13:48:34 <timeless_mbp> they seem to expect the browser to crash more often
Apr 19 13:49:00 <gouverneur> Treibholz: its just useless atm, I keep the N900 calendar clean to sync with stuff as this is the only one which can be synced...
Apr 19 13:49:21 <gouverneur> you cant even subscribe to webcalendar stuff
Apr 19 13:49:23 * lcuk confirms for timeless_mbp 
Apr 19 13:49:28 <Treibholz> gouverneur: i know.
Apr 19 13:49:42 <Treibholz> gouverneur: I just don't have the time.
Apr 19 13:50:01 <gouverneur> Treibholz: what are you looking at atm?
Apr 19 13:50:01 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: on the topic - could you implement random crashes on OC-kernels as well please ;-)
Apr 19 13:50:11 <Treibholz> gouverneur: I'm working.
Apr 19 13:50:11 <gouverneur> cal::dav?
Apr 19 13:50:26 <timeless_mbp> OC?
Apr 19 13:50:58 <DocScrutinizer> overclocking
Apr 19 13:51:04 <gouverneur> Treibholz: not exactly now ;)
Apr 19 13:51:50 <Treibholz> gouverneur: I play around with python.
Apr 19 13:52:00 <noobmonk3y> python plays around with me :(
Apr 19 13:52:06 <gouverneur> same here
Apr 19 13:52:11 <gouverneur> both btw
Apr 19 13:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> see, it's like a hype you could use 92 octane fuel on a car designed for 98 octane. You can't buy any used car any more, and eventually the model will shoot to top of all reports about unreliable cars
Apr 19 13:53:07 <Arkenoi> no maps of Russia in Sygic? it sucks (but it sucks anyways, eur 60 for not-so-good navigation program is nonsense)
Apr 19 13:53:24 <gouverneur> and as python still sucks for "background tasks" I guess I will look at some other way to do my stuff
Apr 19 13:56:51 <DocScrutinizer> "hey! I just filled 1GHz, err 5L gasoil to my N900 tank, and motor runs like before, even muuuuch smoother" >:-(
Apr 19 13:57:40 * Arkenoi wonders why modest background task and as-daemon are not reniced ny default
Apr 19 13:57:49 <DocScrutinizer> yeah sucker, it'll probably stand 5L gasoil mixed into the 60L 98 octane, for a short while
Apr 19 13:58:38 <gouverneur> DocScrutinizer: thats like my car... you can attach a turbo charger but you reduce the overall distance the motor will provide proper service by -100k kms
Apr 19 13:59:03 <DocScrutinizer> err, *to* 100km
Apr 19 13:59:27 <gouverneur> with proper setup it will last about 100km yes
Apr 19 14:01:14 <gouverneur> top speed of 200km/h is reached in about 10 seconds and the tank seems to leak...
Apr 19 14:01:38 <DocScrutinizer> don't get me wrong, I'm all for clocking N900 @ 1.6GHz, to compensate PA busy adding zeroes at 100% cpu usage
Apr 19 14:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> X-P
Apr 19 14:01:49 <timeless_mbp> hrm
Apr 19 14:06:35 <DocScrutinizer> hey, I got another super tubo tweakers idea for the sill^H venturous of you: Charge battery to 4.4V, it will yield 20% higher battery endurance
Apr 19 14:06:46 <DocScrutinizer> turbo even
Apr 19 14:10:55 <loft306> lol
Apr 19 14:11:28 * DocScrutinizer is waiting for "[2010-05-01]<blastercharger>I now operate my battery at 4V4 since 2 weeks -AMAZING, got to 18h of standby. Though recently it drops, have to go to 4V8..."
Apr 19 14:11:54 <gouverneur> DocScrutinizer: well the more they blow the more they buy the more attention the project gets
Apr 19 14:13:05 <DocScrutinizer> gouverneur: nope, the nore they cry and swear and Nokia gets flooded with warranty RMA and occasionally will consider FOSS devices an epic fail
Apr 19 14:13:18 <DocScrutinizer> s/nore/more
Apr 19 14:13:33 <TigerTael> ;/
Apr 19 14:16:45 <DocScrutinizer> and though Nokia has the X-Ray and other means to tell a device was killed by overclocking, for sure I don't so I don't want to buy a used N900 anymore - thanks to OC-kernels
Apr 19 14:19:32 <Surfa> well...
Apr 19 14:19:41 <Surfa> it ain't that easy to tell if it's overclocked or not
Apr 19 14:21:24 <gouverneur> Surfa: its is ;)
Apr 19 14:21:24 <DocScrutinizer> Surfa: it's damn easy to tell if it *is*, but it's *impossible* to tell if it had been before, so all the CPU mileage has been eaten up and it will work just as short as another 100h
Apr 19 14:22:15 <DocScrutinizer> you'll learn the hard way when cpu fails, and Nokia tells to you "OC, RMA rejected"
Apr 19 14:23:08 <DocScrutinizer> "duh, but I bought it just a week ago, used, and the guy swore it's never..." Nokia:"fuck off, it's killed by OC"
Apr 19 14:24:19 * odin_ carefully tops up his liquid nitrogen ARM Cortex cooling system
Apr 19 14:24:37 <DocScrutinizer> WON'T HELP!!!!!!
Apr 19 14:24:47 <odin_> ah shit!  the windscreen is cracking
Apr 19 14:25:39 <gouverneur> LNFCS? what you gonna try 8GHz?
Apr 19 14:25:47 <odin_> oh no the nitrogen tank has leaked into my pocket .... my &$*&%^ is all numb ....  I'm going to sue !
Apr 19 14:27:22 <DocScrutinizer> odin_: would you fsckng please search backscroll of this very chan for 'electromigration' !
Apr 19 14:28:29 <Treibholz> unfortunatelly, there is no python-module for the calendar, only c++.
Apr 19 14:28:46 <Treibholz> gouverneur: I guess, I'll try swig or sip
Apr 19 14:29:24 <Treibholz> gouverneur: then I could just push an ical in the calendar without understanding ical :-)
Apr 19 14:31:46 <odin_> DocScrutinizer, will that un-numb my &$*&%^ ?  'electromigration' ?  sounds painful ... these portable handset nitrogen kits really are heavy ... I think Nokia should put one inside the next version!
Apr 19 14:33:45 <X-Fade> Unless you chill to 0K, that won't help.
Apr 19 14:33:52 * noobmonk3y blinks......... since when was i the maemo helpdesk! - suddenly getting loads of questions via email, web forms and t.m.o! 
Apr 19 14:33:59 * noobmonk3y looks for the nearest maemo greeter............
Apr 19 14:34:21 * timeless sighs
Apr 19 14:34:23 * lcuk hands noobmonk3y a mirror
Apr 19 14:34:32 <timeless> this computer's dns entry is missing, which makes reaching it "hard"
Apr 19 14:34:47 <odin_> na batter than that, the sales man, says my kit, goes to minus 1 kelvin !  it only cost me $5000
Apr 19 14:35:27 * noobmonk3y cries :(
Apr 19 14:36:09 <gouverneur> odin_: I would buy it reverse engineer and get a nobel price or sue the company for $5mil
Apr 19 14:37:15 <odin_> na you wouldn't be able to escape the anti-matter vortex to be able to collect your prize ...  maybe if they chill it ... it will find you ?
Apr 19 14:37:40 <DocScrutinizer> odin_: I'm well aware you're just kidding. Alas that kind of jokes spreads false assumptions about cooling might make OC any safer
Apr 19 14:38:10 <odin_> well let the idiots run amok !  they do here <grin>
Apr 19 14:38:36 <frals> ~curse users
Apr 19 14:38:37 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users !
Apr 19 14:39:21 * MohammadAG seconds that for tmo users
Apr 19 14:40:48 <odin_> Im sure Intel will step in and be fabricating 4GHz ARMs within 18 months ... no wait
Apr 19 14:43:56 <Khertan> Treibholz: calendar information are store in a sqldatabase
Apr 19 14:44:13 <Khertan> Treibholz: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb
Apr 19 14:44:26 <Khertan> so you can use python-sqlite
Apr 19 14:44:48 <Treibholz> Khertan: yes, that would be the evil way.
Apr 19 14:45:04 <Treibholz> Khertan: but I prefer to use a clean solution.
Apr 19 14:45:14 <Treibholz> + I don't want to parse ical myself.
Apr 19 14:45:20 <Treibholz> :-)
Apr 19 14:45:29 <Antibuddha> hi
Apr 19 14:46:17 <Antibuddha> have you guys ever used mains conditioners for computers?
Apr 19 14:46:52 <Khertan> Treibholz: parse ical is quite easy with python-icalendar
Apr 19 14:46:53 <Khertan> :)
Apr 19 14:47:13 <Treibholz> Khertan: easiER
Apr 19 14:47:22 <Khertan> yep thx ;)
Apr 19 14:47:41 <DocScrutinizer> Antibuddha: UPS?
Apr 19 14:47:58 <Antibuddha> no i mean reduce common, transverse, differential noise
Apr 19 14:48:08 <Antibuddha> i heard people here said cpu might be damaged by emf right?
Apr 19 14:48:10 <Khertan> Treibholz: what did you want to do with the calendar ?
Apr 19 14:48:12 <Disconnect> Antibuddha: years ago. these days most poeple just use a ups instead, since it has mostly hte same result (labs tend to use it for sensitive equipment tho, but thats a whole different workspace)
Apr 19 14:48:19 <Treibholz> Khertan: caldav-sync
Apr 19 14:48:25 <Antibuddha> ok
Apr 19 14:48:41 <Khertan> Treibholz: hum ... reading the calendar will be the easy parts
Apr 19 14:48:41 <Khertan> :)
Apr 19 14:48:57 <Treibholz> Khertan: yes, I get it with urllib2 :-)
Apr 19 14:49:05 <DocScrutinizer> Antibuddha: forget that. All you might want for stationary servers and workstations is a surge protector maybe
Apr 19 14:49:12 <Antibuddha> okay
Apr 19 14:49:19 <Treibholz> writing in the db works, too.
Apr 19 14:49:29 <Antibuddha> my psu is an antec earthwatts and it is supposed to have good psrr
Apr 19 14:50:17 <Treibholz> Khertan: at the moment, I need to add the adjustment of time with the timezones.
Apr 19 14:50:40 <Khertan> python-dateutil
Apr 19 14:50:41 <Khertan> :)
Apr 19 14:50:54 <DocScrutinizer> any surges will be eaten by modern switching PSU, and you very rarely damage your CPU by surges via powerline
Apr 19 14:51:26 <Khertan> arg ... python-qt4 not available in moblin repository !
Apr 19 14:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> the PSU itself may break, but not the CPU
Apr 19 14:51:34 <Khertan> oups wrong window
Apr 19 14:51:51 <nid0> DocScrutinizer, hes long gone
Apr 19 14:51:58 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Apr 19 14:52:10 <Treibholz> Khertan: currently the only time I have to work at this is half an hour in the morning and half an hour in the evening in the train. And unfortunatelly I don't feel like it every day :-)
Apr 19 14:52:16 <DocScrutinizer> won't convince me to re-enable join/quit msgs
Apr 19 14:52:17 <frals> Treibholz: if you need the time from sqlitedb to local time jsut get the field as datetime(fieldname, 'localtime')
Apr 19 14:52:42 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, bye
Apr 19 14:53:03 * DocScrutinizer bbl
Apr 19 14:53:34 <odin_> more serious comment: without starting any kind of fight, what is the latest on the PR1.2 (isit?) for the major Qt update, SDK is out but whats the gossip?
Apr 19 14:53:59 <frals> i heard PR1.2 is coming out when the volcano goes back to sleep
Apr 19 14:54:19 <hrw> odin_: 12 November
Apr 19 14:54:20 <nid0> gossip is itll come when it comes, it hasnt come yet, and ppl are fed up of people asking when itll come.
Apr 19 14:55:05 <odin_> well seeing as I am closest ... I better start rowing, so I can chuck some new ice up on top .... ah great 12th Nov, already released huh :)
Apr 19 14:55:25 <crashanddie> actually, in all serious ness, I have a reliable source ness, that told me ness, that Nokia has stopped working on PSR1.2 ness, and that they are realocating everyone on MeeGo and trying to get a new release out soon ness.
Apr 19 14:56:25 <odin_> ok well thats more useful then, so better maybe try to provide some creative input into meego and the new horizon than harping on about a PR1.2 (which I'm not sure I need, and not really what how it will make my life better)
Apr 19 14:58:03 <lcuk> so crashanddie whats your source then
Apr 19 14:58:04 <pupnik> odin_: the forum has some discussion about what is contained in 1.2
Apr 19 14:58:09 <lcuk> no point in getting hearsay
Apr 19 14:58:16 <crashanddie> lcuk: lochness
Apr 19 14:58:53 <crashanddie> brb
Apr 19 14:58:56 <lcuk> odin_, you know the content of 1.2 based on the sdk - it will have whichever new qt it should have
Apr 19 14:59:33 <lcuk> so if you have app ideas you can develop using qt
Apr 19 15:11:30 <lcuk> crashanddie_, whats the point in having a cloak if your account signs in sanscloak first?
Apr 19 15:12:15 <crashanddie> hell if I know
Apr 19 15:12:36 <lcuk> :D
Apr 19 15:12:50 <lcuk> do all clients do it
Apr 19 15:12:54 <crashanddie> no
Apr 19 15:12:59 <crashanddie> it depends on your latency
Apr 19 15:13:12 <crashanddie> and if your client manages to auth you before you start joining channels
Apr 19 15:13:31 <crashanddie> or you can put username:password in the server password field for Freenode
Apr 19 15:13:42 <crashanddie> should auth you before you even declare your nickname!
Apr 19 15:13:43 <crashanddie> lemme try
Apr 19 15:14:31 <lcuk> well my primary doesnt, so thats ok
Apr 19 15:15:10 <odin_> you should get back the ack from the NickServ login process before doing the /join ?
Apr 19 15:17:00 <crashanddie> did that work?
Apr 19 15:17:10 <N900evil> yes
Apr 19 15:17:26 <N900evil> crashanddie (~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie) has joined #maemo
Apr 19 15:17:55 <crashanddie> so there you go, for irssi: /server add -auto -network FreeNode irc.freenode.net 6667 <username>:<password>
Apr 19 15:18:50 <crashanddie> anyway, 'night all
Apr 19 15:23:13 <Flyser> Hi. How can I reset the code to lock my n900? I cant change the code without knowing the old one
Apr 19 15:24:13 <peetah> Flyser: not sure about that, but the initial one is 12345
Apr 19 15:25:25 <Flyser> oh. it worked. thanks
Apr 19 15:25:37 <peetah> pn
Apr 19 15:25:41 <peetah> np*
Apr 19 15:30:42 <wazd> omg, can't beleive Apple failed at security :D
Apr 19 15:30:53 <wazd> http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone
Apr 19 15:32:45 <MiXu-> I don't buy that for some reason.
Apr 19 15:32:56 <Treibholz> no keyboard....
Apr 19 15:34:11 <MiXu-> Although it does look authentic.
Apr 19 15:34:30 <wazd> MiXu-: well, I doubt now that it's fake
Apr 19 15:34:39 <wazd> MiXu-: since it has custom motherboard
Apr 19 15:34:52 <wazd> MiXu-: too much for the fake :)
Apr 19 15:34:59 <MiXu-> True
Apr 19 15:35:05 <frals> so gizmodo is in a redirect loop here
Apr 19 15:35:17 <|R> wazd: I can't believe Giz failed at security too
Apr 19 15:35:17 <frals> but im sure it was a good link!
Apr 19 15:35:35 <|R> wazd: they got it remotely killed by Apple, what were they thinking, don't connect it to the net before you have all the footage you want...!
Apr 19 15:35:39 <wazd> but ofcourse it wasn't lost in the restraunt, just simply sold for 50k bucks or so
Apr 19 15:35:58 <wazd> |R: it was killed before they got it
Apr 19 15:36:10 <|R> wazd: ok, then the guy before is a moron :P
Apr 19 15:36:14 <|R> wazd: someone somewhere is
Apr 19 15:36:22 <MiXu-> I wouldn't be surprised if that was an intentional leak.
Apr 19 15:36:23 <wazd> |R: yeah :)
Apr 19 15:36:25 <lcuk> |r i thought the kill command came over gprs/3g ?
Apr 19 15:36:29 <lcuk> its a phone after all
Apr 19 15:36:34 <wazd> MiXu-: ofcourse it is :)
Apr 19 15:36:36 <MiXu-> That Apple lost it "by accident". "Oops"
Apr 19 15:36:43 <|R> lcuk: well, no SIM and no unfiltered WiFi :)
Apr 19 15:37:01 <|R> drop all in your firewall and then enable on a ip/port one by one for tests...
Apr 19 15:37:02 <wazd> MiXu-: it's like loosing F-35 in the restraunt :D
Apr 19 15:37:11 <wazd> or gaussian gun :)
Apr 19 15:37:12 <|R> haha
Apr 19 15:37:13 <lcuk> phones are lost in places all the time
Apr 19 15:37:31 <lcuk> its actually a reasonable thing to consider - just a bitch it appears to be a proto this time
Apr 19 15:37:34 <MiXu-> wazd: Pretty much yes :D
Apr 19 15:37:47 <wazd> lcuk: phones, not restricted protos
Apr 19 15:38:34 <wazd> lcuk: I care bout $150 E63 all the time even when I meat drunk :)
Apr 19 15:38:39 <lcuk> wazd there should be a period of testing for any device - REAL testing involving having it in your pocket with your keys
Apr 19 15:38:42 <Gizmokid2005> haha, ya'll are talking about the iphone prototype...that I Just read about on gizmodo..
Apr 19 15:39:32 <wazd> lcuk: sure, but it's impossible to lose *apple* *prototype*
Apr 19 15:39:42 <wazd> you're gonna be killed :)
Apr 19 15:39:45 <lcuk> its easy to lose anything
Apr 19 15:39:56 <lcuk> america have lost entire nuclear bombs
Apr 19 15:40:03 <wazd> no if your life depends on that :)
Apr 19 15:40:08 <lcuk> see above
Apr 19 15:40:24 * MohammadAG wonders what would happn if you put a nuclear bomb in the iceland volcano
Apr 19 15:40:28 <lcuk> and i know which is more important
Apr 19 15:40:30 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, lcuk is right...US has lost major bombs...
Apr 19 15:40:39 <lcuk> MohammadAG, europe is covered with radioactive ash
Apr 19 15:40:50 <wazd> lcuk: I'm not sure that USA have lost armed nuke
Apr 19 15:40:54 <lcuk> volcano continues unabated
Apr 19 15:40:57 <|R> something like 9
Apr 19 15:41:00 <wazd> lcuk: and unarmed nuke is harmless
Apr 19 15:41:01 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 19 15:41:04 <Gizmokid2005> wazd: it wasn't armed...yet...but it was a fully intact bomb.
Apr 19 15:41:14 <lcuk> wazd yes there are a number of missing nuclear weapons
Apr 19 15:41:31 <lcuk> :)
Apr 19 15:41:35 <wazd> Gizmokid2005: also you need something to deliver it :)
Apr 19 15:41:47 <wazd> nuke is not a weapon for terrorism or something
Apr 19 15:41:52 <lcuk> a phone is hardly life threatening
Apr 19 15:42:09 <wazd> lcuk: it's not a phone, it's apple prototype :D
Apr 19 15:42:10 <|R> lcuk: unless you work for Apple :P
Apr 19 15:42:14 <Gizmokid2005> the point is, /anything/ can be lost.
Apr 19 15:42:20 <frals> whoever lost it probably got had a really bad week :p
Apr 19 15:42:25 <frals> -got
Apr 19 15:42:28 <|R> lcuk: and then Steve finds out who fucked up and faces you
Apr 19 15:42:29 <Gizmokid2005> just some things require inside people.
Apr 19 15:42:30 <|R> ahha ;)
Apr 19 15:42:41 <|R> Big brother than gets you to room  101
Apr 19 15:42:47 <|R> and 2+2=5 !
Apr 19 15:44:15 <lcuk> principle question i have about iphone is: why isnt maemo running on it yet?
Apr 19 15:44:53 <lcuk> or mer or meego etc
Apr 19 15:44:54 <Treibholz> well, it's apples marketing concept. No official info, just rumors and uncovered "secrets".
Apr 19 15:45:06 <wazd> lcuk: there is a linux on the iphone project
Apr 19 15:45:17 <Treibholz> lcuk: the iphone isn't good hardware.
Apr 19 15:45:29 <Treibholz> lcuk: no keyboard and not enough ram.
Apr 19 15:45:33 <lcuk> Treibholz, ? confusing its got ~same chip as n900 hasnt it?
Apr 19 15:45:52 <lcuk> n800 was in less capble state then
Apr 19 15:45:55 <Treibholz> lcuk: "power is nothing without controll"
Apr 19 15:45:56 <wazd> anyway, I kinda like the design
Apr 19 15:46:31 <wazd> have some quirks, but it's a step forward
Apr 19 15:46:53 <hrw> Treibholz: n900 do not have enough ram
Apr 19 15:47:12 <Treibholz> hrw: yes, but the iPhone has even less.
Apr 19 15:47:22 <hrw> Treibholz: less then 256MB?
Apr 19 15:47:23 <nid0> iphone 3gs has 256mb of ram
Apr 19 15:47:37 <hrw> so same as n900
Apr 19 15:48:04 <Treibholz> oh, really?
Apr 19 15:48:11 <nid0> really
Apr 19 15:48:12 <Treibholz> still not enough :-)
Apr 19 15:48:22 <Treibholz> and still no keyboard
Apr 19 15:48:37 <hrw> but has apps
Apr 19 15:48:47 <evilBunny> still talking about ipownz
Apr 19 15:48:51 <Treibholz> and the display-resolution is to low.
Apr 19 15:49:04 <Treibholz> hrw: I have apt!
Apr 19 15:49:14 <Treibholz> and python
Apr 19 15:49:18 <hrw> Treibholz: oh... apt... python
Apr 19 15:49:25 <lcuk> linux has been ported
Apr 19 15:49:25 <evilBunny> and flash ;)
Apr 19 15:49:28 <lcuk> but not maemo
Apr 19 15:49:30 <hrw> I want *working* calendar
Apr 19 15:49:33 <Treibholz> evilBunny: fuck flash!
Apr 19 15:49:42 <Treibholz> hrw: I'm working on it :-)
Apr 19 15:49:54 <nid0> a calendar with some sane way of syncing with remote calendars would do me :(
Apr 19 15:49:59 <hrw> Treibholz: where? why I do not know anything
Apr 19 15:50:05 <hrw> nid0: thats not calendar thing
Apr 19 15:50:27 <hrw> nid0: syncing is calendar-backed+syncml thing
Apr 19 15:50:40 <hrw> nid0: syncevolution tries to make it working
Apr 19 15:50:50 <Treibholz> hrw: because it's not far enough to release anything.
Apr 19 15:50:57 <Treibholz> syncevolution is crap
Apr 19 15:51:01 <hrw> Treibholz: I can do alpha testing ;D
Apr 19 15:51:05 <nid0> exactly. the calendar itself doesnt do it, syncevolution tries (badly) to do it
Apr 19 15:51:20 <nid0> quite how you can say "its not a calendar thing" is beyond me
Apr 19 15:51:21 <Treibholz> hrw: it's kinda pre-pre-alpha now:-)
Apr 19 15:51:33 <hrw> Treibholz: I used palmos, symbian, opie, gpe, kdepim/pi, maemo calendars
Apr 19 15:51:35 <Treibholz> nid0: syncml is crap
Apr 19 15:51:42 <nid0> i'm fully aware of that
Apr 19 15:51:55 <Treibholz> syncml is the wrong way.
Apr 19 15:52:10 <nid0> and does the calendar provide any other way?
Apr 19 15:52:12 <nid0> no.
Apr 19 15:52:17 <nid0> so how is it "not a calendar thing"?
Apr 19 15:52:45 <hrw> nid0: calendar is UI for calendar-backend. UI which provides edit/view functions
Apr 19 15:53:06 <hrw> nid0: syncing is work for app which talks to calendar-backend
Apr 19 15:53:27 <nid0> and are they, or are they not, all-told, ultimately a calendar?
Apr 19 15:54:08 <nid0> the fact that theyre different pieces of backend software is immaterial, the n900 calendar doesnt support syncing to anything. that's a limitation of the calendar.
Apr 19 15:54:13 <hrw> syncing tool do not have to have UI
Apr 19 15:54:28 <pwnguin> the calender does support syncing
Apr 19 15:54:31 <pwnguin> to exchange =(
Apr 19 15:54:49 <hrw> pwnguin: thats not calendar - thats other component rather
Apr 19 15:55:32 <Treibholz> it does.
Apr 19 15:55:43 <Treibholz> the exchange-sync works great here
Apr 19 15:55:45 <pwnguin> i click on the calendar and exchange appointments appear, does it really matter how the components are arranged to accomplish this?
Apr 19 15:55:54 <pupnik> http://www.google.com/buzz/gerrymoth/WkT1XdcRiny/Is-PR1-2-on-everyones-mind
Apr 19 15:56:05 <pupnik> Pr1.2 on your mind?
Apr 19 15:56:19 <Timbo> if i wanted to set LC_ALL somewhere, where would be the best place to do so?
Apr 19 15:56:21 * Arkenoi syncs to google, complex repeats are all messed up
Apr 19 15:56:40 <pwnguin> Timbo: /etc/profile?
Apr 19 15:56:43 <slonopotamus> X-Fade: bug 9902. smth is totally broken in repo.
Apr 19 15:56:44 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel
Apr 19 15:57:07 <Disconnect> its -really- clean
Apr 19 15:57:22 <hrw> bug 8988
Apr 19 15:57:23 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8988 Support local subscriptions of IMAP folders
Apr 19 15:57:25 <Timbo> pwnguin: is that not going to be fiddled with by the package manager?
Apr 19 15:57:33 <Timbo> (potentially)
Apr 19 15:58:02 <pwnguin> apt-get should prompt on conffiles
Apr 19 15:58:14 <pwnguin> dont ask me how nokia's updater affects that
Apr 19 15:58:17 <pwnguin> im guessing poorly
Apr 19 15:58:46 <Timbo> i'd rather use something like ~/.profile
Apr 19 15:58:52 <Timbo> but i'm not sure ash will read that?
Apr 19 15:59:01 <pwnguin> you could install bash
Apr 19 15:59:04 <pwnguin> and use .bashrc
Apr 19 15:59:17 <Timbo> true
Apr 19 16:00:14 <Timbo> another unrelated thing, while i'm here...
Apr 19 16:00:30 <Timbo> is it possible to have desktop shortcuts to programs with command line arguments?
Apr 19 16:00:49 <MiXu-> yes
Apr 19 16:00:50 <pwnguin> Timbo: i think you can make a .desktop file
Apr 19 16:00:50 <Timbo> like say i wanted a shortcut to "ssh user@host"
Apr 19 16:01:00 <Timbo> ok
Apr 19 16:01:03 <Timbo> where do those live?
Apr 19 16:01:08 <pwnguin> good question
Apr 19 16:01:17 <pwnguin> i set up an ssh user@host .desktop
Apr 19 16:01:24 <MiXu-> google knows
Apr 19 16:01:25 <pwnguin> but it doesnt work and i dont remember where i put it
Apr 19 16:03:57 <pwnguin> what i could really go for though, is caldav
Apr 19 16:04:48 <pwnguin> with todo support
Apr 19 16:07:29 <hrw> bug 6933
Apr 19 16:07:31 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong
Apr 19 16:07:40 <hrw> wontfix I think
Apr 19 16:11:12 <wazd> RST38h: moo
Apr 19 16:14:29 <hrw> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildonmm/libhildonmm-dbg_2.1.5-0maemo1_i386.deb  Size mismatch
Apr 19 16:14:35 <hrw> someone can fix it?
Apr 19 16:15:23 <hrw> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/g/gst-plugins-ugly-multiverse0.10/gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse_0.10.7-2maemo1_i386.deb  Size mismatch
Apr 19 16:19:22 <GAN900> Bleh
Apr 19 16:19:23 * RST38h moos evilly
Apr 19 16:19:35 <RST38h> GAN: What is the bleh of today?
Apr 19 16:19:44 <GAN900> Too much time to kill, not enough to go into the city.
Apr 19 16:20:15 <RST38h> Bejeweed! =)
Apr 19 16:20:30 <GAN900> FBReader more like.
Apr 19 16:20:33 <RST38h> (and yes, the L key is behaving)
Apr 19 16:21:11 <RST38h> I added a "Need a ROM" warning when cancelling ROM selection in iNES et al
Apr 19 16:21:43 <RST38h> In fact, it is trivial to add some simple banner screen there, but someone has to supply artwork and give permission to use it in a closed project.
Apr 19 16:22:56 <_Lucretia_> anyone know why the facebrik install is 15MB??
Apr 19 16:23:22 <GAN900> _Lucretia_, Python or similar?
Apr 19 16:23:37 <_Lucretia_> c++ n qt by the looks
Apr 19 16:23:42 <RST38h> Lucretia: Maybe it installs locally all the avatar pics for all the facebook users?
Apr 19 16:23:56 <GAN900> Crappy Tropicana orange never tasted so good . . .
Apr 19 16:24:08 <GAN900> . . . after a week of that California crap.
Apr 19 16:24:25 <_Lucretia_> tropicana's nice stuff
Apr 19 16:24:41 <GAN900> lol
Apr 19 16:24:49 <GAN900> _Lucretia_, where you from?
Apr 19 16:25:08 <_Lucretia_> england
Apr 19 16:25:23 <_Lucretia_> only fruit juice not made from concentrate
Apr 19 16:25:28 <GAN900> _Lucretia_, well, that would explain it. ;)
Apr 19 16:25:39 <w00t_> facebrick is 15mb because you need Qt from extras-devel, once PR1.2 is out, you'll already have it installed - so the dependancies will be a lot less
Apr 19 16:25:41 <_Lucretia_> wel you just agreed
Apr 19 16:25:57 <w00t_> (if you've any other questions, hilight me, I'm the author :))
Apr 19 16:26:05 <_Lucretia_> w00t_: oh that's ok then, was thinking the whole app was 15MB, but the exe is tiny
Apr 19 16:26:05 <GAN900> _Lucretia_, gotta get to Florida some time and try fresh squeezed roadside.
Apr 19 16:26:10 <_Lucretia_> w00t_: oh ok
Apr 19 16:26:20 <_Lucretia_> GAN900: is that roadkill?
Apr 19 16:26:22 <_Lucretia_> :D
Apr 19 16:26:28 <w00t_> lol
Apr 19 16:26:37 <GAN900> _Lucretia_, compared to California orange juice. Which aint saying' much, in my opinion. ;)
Apr 19 16:26:38 <_Lucretia_> w00t_: you adding friend's lists into facebrick?
Apr 19 16:26:55 <w00t_> _Lucretia_: that, and a lot of other things eventually, yeah
Apr 19 16:26:59 <_Lucretia_> cool
Apr 19 16:27:15 <_Lucretia_> I can't stand using the web version on the n900, it's too flaky
Apr 19 16:27:18 <hrw> have a nice rest of day
Apr 19 16:27:33 <_Lucretia_> anyone here built their own toolchain?
Apr 19 16:27:49 <w00t_> I don't mind it (though clicking some links is absolutely annoying, they just don't seem to pick up the press)
Apr 19 16:28:00 <w00t_> it's just more convenient to not have to scroll my head all over the place all the time :)
Apr 19 16:28:16 <_Lucretia_> yup
Apr 19 16:28:19 <lcuk> _Lucretia_, from scratch with bare hands
Apr 19 16:28:26 <_Lucretia_> lcuk: yeah
Apr 19 16:28:30 <lcuk> making the first compiler by touching bare wires on the silicon was a bit hard
Apr 19 16:29:12 <w00t_> lol
Apr 19 16:29:38 <lcuk> _Lucretia_, can get baseline working on device itself with the sdk + tools repositories and build-essential :)
Apr 19 16:29:44 <lcuk> sort out space problems and its trivial
Apr 19 16:29:47 <_Lucretia_> jesus no
Apr 19 16:29:56 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: nessie :-D
Apr 19 16:30:05 <_Lucretia_> I'd want if anything to build a compiler on my host machine
Apr 19 16:31:18 <lcuk> nothing stops you
Apr 19 16:31:47 <_Lucretia_> w00t_: is the login to facebook bit from the fb website? because that is sooo not sensitive to key presses (touchscreen for he "connect" button)
Apr 19 16:31:55 <w00t_> yes
Apr 19 16:31:59 <_Lucretia_> lcuk: I'm after some pointers on where to start
Apr 19 16:32:22 <_Lucretia_> w00t_: pressed about 20 times
Apr 19 16:32:41 <_Lucretia_> any chance you can get that in the Qt ui rather than website?
Apr 19 16:34:20 <lcuk> _Lucretia_, theres simply so much more required for a toolchain that not many people start from scratch - on the menu is scratchbox, scratchbox 2, madde and possibly native on device development, take your pick and read up - no1 in irc can give you more than that in a short line
Apr 19 16:35:59 <_Lucretia_> lcuk: yeah, I've built toolchains before, just not under sb
Apr 19 16:37:42 <_Lucretia_> so nokia are moving to sb2 then?
Apr 19 16:38:35 <_Lucretia_> lcuk: do you know which bits of the toolchain are emulated under qemu?
Apr 19 16:38:42 <_Lucretia_> I mean, in the build process
Apr 19 16:38:51 <_Lucretia_> the docs are a bit sparse on that
Apr 19 16:44:19 <khertan> hi !
Apr 19 16:44:22 <khertan> (again)
Apr 19 16:45:23 <khertan> if there is some pyqt developers in the rooms, i m trying to make multiple windows but all i got is only one window
Apr 19 16:45:57 <khertan> when i create a first QMainWindow
Apr 19 16:46:29 <khertan> if i create a second one and call the show methode, the second one is never displayed
Apr 19 16:47:07 <khertan> if the second window is a children of the first one i got something like a hildon.StackableWindow
Apr 19 16:47:36 <khertan> but i never have multiple window display at the same time in the task manager
Apr 19 16:48:10 <khertan> everyone claim qt is easier ... but found information about such result is a real pain !
Apr 19 16:48:44 <khertan> if only the future will be gtk everywhere and not qt ... pouah !
Apr 19 16:48:50 <khertan> any advice ?
Apr 19 16:48:57 <khertan> pong
Apr 19 16:49:18 <khertan> ~ping
Apr 19 16:49:19 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 19 16:52:42 <trumee> guys, i installed the maemo sdk today, but it doesnt seem to have Qt
Apr 19 16:53:38 <trumee> where is Qt in the sdk, ls: /usr/bin/qmake*: No such file or directory
Apr 19 16:53:57 <trumee> do i have the right SDK?
Apr 19 16:54:40 <trumee> or do i need to install Qt separately, my impression was Qt 4.6.2 was installed by default in the sdk
Apr 19 16:54:45 <Khertan> sorry was disconnected
Apr 19 16:55:13 <Khertan> anyone as an idea for my problem ?
Apr 19 16:55:38 <igagis> trumee: fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev
Apr 19 16:55:46 <funpig> trumee: the maemo sdk exclude the qt. you should install it aside
Apr 19 16:56:12 <funpig> agreed with igagis
Apr 19 16:56:19 <trumee> igagis, funpig, thanks
Apr 19 16:56:42 <funpig> welcome
Apr 19 16:59:48 * ioeee saluda, que a quien saluda dios le ayuda ^^
Apr 19 17:02:00 <igagis> Khertan: check if you have Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow attribute set for your child window, if you have, it will be stackable, otherwise it will appear in task manager
Apr 19 17:02:43 <Khertan> ok ... i understand ... work on my netbook ... didn't on maemo
Apr 19 17:02:58 <Khertan> as it s require a fucking resize to be show
Apr 19 17:02:59 <Khertan> grrr
Apr 19 17:07:37 <Khertan> someone can also explain me why when you create a qt window in a method in python, python destroy it and why when you create it in gtk python destroy the object only when needed ?
Apr 19 17:16:27 <opdf2> anyone having trouble authenticating with skype?
Apr 19 17:16:42 <opdf2> i never changed anything and for some reason it wont authenticate toda
Apr 19 17:17:37 <mtnbkr> opdf2: only problem I have seen is the skype spam IMs I get
Apr 19 17:18:08 <opdf2> right, if only there was a way to block screen names from n900
Apr 19 17:18:19 <vasily_pupkin> anybody knows, how to manually activate virtual keyboard on maemo?
Apr 19 17:18:19 <opdf2> u could put only receive from contacts
Apr 19 17:20:45 <pupnik> http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/airline-chiefs-attack-flight-ban-over-non-existant-volcano-cloud-reports-der-spiegel/    There's that spiegel report translated.  Hard hitting stuff.
Apr 19 17:21:07 * pupnik reminds channel that he was right
Apr 19 17:25:41 <Bounce> åòî ÷å çà?
Apr 19 17:26:54 <FauxFaux> Utf-8 please.
Apr 19 17:27:31 <Disconnect> who was saying the n900 needed a solid first charge..? its sitting at the office waiting for me, wondering what i need to do with it today to make sure its rocking a decent battery life on wed
Apr 19 17:30:35 <Vreag4e5> ÷å çà ãîðîä
Apr 19 17:30:36 <Vreag4e5> ?
Apr 19 17:33:33 <FauxFaux> Vreag4e5: Utf-8 please.
Apr 19 17:33:57 <ds3> urgg... 3 reboots in 3 days :(
Apr 19 17:33:57 <Vreag4e5> made in Rassia?
Apr 19 17:36:17 <Vreag4e5> you
Apr 19 17:36:19 <Vreag4e5> ?
Apr 19 17:36:55 <Vreag4e5> gfwfys
Apr 19 17:37:01 <tripzero> where is PR1.2???!!!1eleven
Apr 19 17:37:13 <Vreag4e5> ïàöàíû âû îòóäà
Apr 19 17:37:13 <TomaszD> tomorrow
Apr 19 17:37:19 <Vreag4e5> àìåðèêàíöû ïàäëû
Apr 19 17:40:51 <ds3> http://socghop.appspot.com
Apr 19 17:40:54 <ds3> bah
Apr 19 17:49:34 <wazd> ??????? ?? ????????
Apr 19 17:50:16 <pupnik> Lufthansa said 'there was “not the slightest scratch� on the planes, despite their having flown through the “supposedly critical zone.�'
Apr 19 17:51:04 <wazd> pupnik: they can be right, cause ash won't scratch the plain, just stop it's engines :)
Apr 19 17:51:39 <pupnik> it does scratch the plane also.  see incident report of the flame out
Apr 19 17:51:50 * noobmonk3y grumbles.... work network is dying a fould death :( grrrrrrrrr
Apr 19 17:52:29 <RST38h> heya wazd
Apr 19 17:52:37 <RST38h> pupnik: Were the passengers alive, too?
Apr 19 17:52:43 <RST38h> [just checking]
Apr 19 17:53:19 <pupnik> yes
Apr 19 17:54:41 <Vreag4e5> âû îòêóäà
Apr 19 17:54:45 <Vreag4e5> ëþäè
Apr 19 17:54:47 <Vreag4e5> ?
Apr 19 17:55:03 <Hibernica> Screen badly in need of calibration, but calibration tool refuses input because it thinks the tapping is in the wrong place. Great.
Apr 19 17:55:53 <loft306> bah just fly under it  and charge more for the extra fuel... till your clear of it
Apr 19 17:56:47 * Vreag4e5 ÑëÓõÀåÒ «( System Of A Down - Revenga )»-*-«( 03:21/03:52 )»-*-«( Äðóãîé ñòèëü )»
Apr 19 17:57:04 <RST38h> Vreag: English only please
Apr 19 17:57:04 <pupnik> correct loft306
Apr 19 17:57:22 <pupnik> that is called logic.  but government stands in the way
Apr 19 17:57:38 <loft306> :)
Apr 19 17:58:11 <Hibernica> Hard to fly under a descending cloud
Apr 19 17:58:27 <Veggen> pupnik: the problem is that the ash isn't evenly distributed, etc. hard to know, and one sort of lacks empirical data.
Apr 19 17:59:24 <Veggen> ...so I agree,  one should use the chance now to do some studies and trials now.
Apr 19 17:59:31 <pupnik> we have sufficient order-of-magnitude estimation techniques
Apr 19 17:59:42 <RST38h> logic is easy if you are allowed to discard facts that prevent you from making desired conclusions
Apr 19 18:00:56 <Veggen> pupnik: well. one doesn't really know enough to actually make meaningful calculations yet?
Apr 19 18:01:00 <Hibernica> If a 747 bodyslams the Alps, 'we had good estimates' won't really cut it
Apr 19 18:01:37 <Veggen> air traffic is, however, known to be paranoid...
Apr 19 18:01:56 <pupnik> veggen yes!  i can look through 100km of sky and it has less darkness than 30m of a smoke plume
Apr 19 18:02:06 <Veggen> <---waited one hour while KLM fixed the plane, few weeks ago. What was broken? A red alarm button in a toilet.
Apr 19 18:02:50 <loft306> the other thing is the dust can totaly screw up the ability for radar to see the planes
Apr 19 18:03:06 <SpeedEvil> the dust has effectively no radar cross-section
Apr 19 18:03:14 <SpeedEvil> it cannot be seen on most radars
Apr 19 18:03:19 <Disconnect> guys. seriously. logic and safety has no place in a good conspiracy theory!
Apr 19 18:03:31 <Veggen> true. I guess :)
Apr 19 18:03:50 <RST38h> As I said, this is all an evil plot to prevent us from seeing God's testicles
Apr 19 18:03:55 <loft306> lunch!
Apr 19 18:03:56 <RST38h> YES, He is out there!
Apr 19 18:04:38 <Disconnect> (istr when the dust is electrically charged it can mess with both ground-based and plane-based radar units. but i can't quote a source so..)
Apr 19 18:05:50 <RST38h> + you cannot really fly above the clouds because then you will hit the solid ceiling, and the Secret World Government does not want you to find out it exists.
Apr 19 18:06:25 <RST38h> They would rather let you think there is "space"
Apr 19 18:07:01 <Disconnect> ok off to get my n900
Apr 19 18:10:50 <trumee> is there no qt3support package for maemo?
Apr 19 18:14:04 <RST38h> no
Apr 19 18:14:46 <trumee> cant build mythtv under maemo then. it needs qt3support
Apr 19 18:15:25 <trumee> does Qt maemo source has qt3support. can i build qt from source.
Apr 19 18:15:35 * RST38h wonders if Xournal will ever work properly again
Apr 19 18:16:13 <ds3> crap, did the last update break xournal?
Apr 19 18:16:18 <opdf2> so ive made sure my skype name and pw are absolutely correct. What else can cause authentication error on my n900 skype?
Apr 19 18:16:29 <RST38h> Anidel broke Xournal
Apr 19 18:16:38 <RST38h> Never fixed it, just broke it more and more
Apr 19 18:17:28 <ds3> guess I ought to revert that update  :(
Apr 19 18:17:57 <ds3> maybe after finding out if it isn't more broken then the rest ofthe system
Apr 19 18:17:57 * Vreag4e5 ÑëÓõÀåÒ «( Vanessa Mae - Storm )»-*-«( 00:31/03:43 )»-*-«( Äðóãîé ñòèëü )»
Apr 19 18:21:56 <RST38h> ds3: Color selection does not work. Mode selection does not work.
Apr 19 18:24:49 <opdf2> nm for some reason i had to create a new skype account, sign in, sign out, then sign in with my old skype account
Apr 19 18:25:20 <RST38h> Vreag4e5: One more time: Please, only use English here and turn off automated messages. Nobody needs to know what you are listening to.
Apr 19 18:26:40 <fipu> Vanadis
Apr 19 18:26:53 <Vanadis> ach fuuu
Apr 19 18:27:20 <fipu> WTF
Apr 19 18:27:20 <fipu> ?
Apr 19 18:30:09 <RST38h> http://blog.atnnn.com/p/handwriting-recognition-with-cellwriter-on-the-n900/  !!!!!
Apr 19 18:30:59 <ds3> RST38h: I am averaging 1 reboot a day to unwedge the N900... those seem like minor issues
Apr 19 18:31:22 <RST38h> unwedge?
Apr 19 18:31:31 <ds3> yes, as in it doesn't do squat
Apr 19 18:31:47 <SpeedEvil> ds3: what're you doing?
Apr 19 18:31:59 <ds3> might be mapper's fault thought but I don't have the time to try all the combos
Apr 19 18:32:05 <SpeedEvil> ds3: I almost never get it that wedged unless I do something silly
Apr 19 18:32:08 <ds3> SpeedEvil: running mapper while traveling
Apr 19 18:32:18 <trumee> RST38h: the docs mention qt3support in the qt maemo, http://doc.trolltech.com/qt-maemo-4.6/qt3support.html
Apr 19 18:32:40 <SpeedEvil> ds3: while true;do ps;sleep 60;date >log;done
Apr 19 18:32:45 <SpeedEvil> ds3: to a file somewhere
Apr 19 18:32:54 <trumee> RST38h: does it mean that the source have it but only missing in the binaries.
Apr 19 18:33:04 <ds3> the first time, it drained the batteries flat at an accelerated pace; the other two times, I had to hold down the power button for a long time before it responsed
Apr 19 18:33:04 <Vreag4e5> » RST38h » ok
Apr 19 18:33:42 <ds3> SpeedEvil: I suspect something is pegging the CPU hard so I don't think that'd have time to run
Apr 19 18:33:54 <SpeedEvil> ds3: possibly.
Apr 19 18:34:04 <ds3> btw, by respond I  mean powering off
Apr 19 18:34:12 <RST38h> trumee: Afaik, nobody ever cared to compile this package and place it into a repo
Apr 19 18:34:26 <Vreag4e5> » RST38h » Where are you from?
Apr 19 18:34:32 <SpeedEvil> ds3: however - such isn't unliekly to be developing for some time before it crashes
Apr 19 18:34:44 <RST38h> Inner Mongolia. You?
Apr 19 18:34:55 <ds3> SpeedEvil: hmmm... doesn't the 900 have the same watchdogs?
Apr 19 18:36:18 <ds3> when that thing works, it is quite nice but the windows of time that it does work is so small :/
Apr 19 18:36:26 <Vreag4e5> » RST38h » From Russia
Apr 19 18:37:45 <Vreag4e5> America?
Apr 19 18:38:38 <ds3> one good thing is the screen seems to be amazingly scratch resistant
Apr 19 18:38:46 <RST38h> yea, right...
Apr 19 18:38:56 * RST38h looks at the scratches
Apr 19 18:38:57 <SpeedEvil> ds3: possbly
Apr 19 18:39:13 <ds3> RST38h: compared to the 800 it is...
Apr 19 18:39:21 <RST38h> ah
Apr 19 18:39:32 <Vreag4e5> » RST38h » ok
Apr 19 18:39:37 <SpeedEvil> ds3: I have utterly destroyed one screen protector by accidentally placing some seccateurs in the wrong packet, and bending up and down a few hundred times.
Apr 19 18:39:51 <ds3> I just came back from field use and I am surprised the dust (volcanic ash, ironically) didn't seem to have touched it
Apr 19 18:40:21 <Vreag4e5> » RST38h » but you have beautiful girls sitting here?
Apr 19 18:40:26 <ds3> SpeedEvil: I see... to be fair, I kept both the 800 and the 900 in a pouch/sleeve
Apr 19 18:40:34 <wazd> RST38h: stop lying to people, you're from Sirius :D
Apr 19 18:41:07 * RST38h spits out a mouse head and glares at wazd accusingly
Apr 19 18:41:32 <Vreag4e5> He liar
Apr 19 18:42:28 <lcuk> RST38h, which generation have you got
Apr 19 18:42:35 <wazd> RST38h: ok! I surrender! You've already destroyed my planet to honor The Tentacled One!
Apr 19 18:42:40 <wazd> ck*
Apr 19 18:43:02 <Vreag4e5> You deserve a life to death
Apr 19 18:43:08 <Vreag4e5> ?
Apr 19 18:43:40 <thresh> mongolia is russia, yeah right
Apr 19 18:44:02 <wazd> thresh: makes sense :)
Apr 19 18:44:03 <RST38h> lcuk: Last one!
Apr 19 18:44:27 <RST38h> wazd: Destroyed? Why destroy Tentacled's food supply?
Apr 19 18:44:27 <lcuk> when did you get it?
Apr 19 18:44:38 <Vreag4e5> UEFA ebnulsya?
Apr 19 18:44:46 <Vreag4e5> » thresh »
Apr 19 18:45:01 <thresh> huh?
Apr 19 18:45:11 <RST38h> lcuk: I have no idea, it depends on what you are takling about =)
Apr 19 18:45:36 <lcuk> the device with the wonky screen - which are you talking about
Apr 19 18:45:53 <Vreag4e5> yes
Apr 19 18:47:21 <Vreag4e5> you how to feel about vodka?
Apr 19 18:47:46 <Vreag4e5> ñêîêà âàì ëåò?
Apr 19 18:47:54 <Vreag4e5> lope old are you?
Apr 19 18:50:54 <thresh> who let a retard on a channel?
Apr 19 18:53:04 <GroupingClearSky> not ponel
Apr 19 18:54:55 <GroupingClearSky> here is a girl?
Apr 19 18:58:24 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, are you alive young sirrrrrrr? :D
Apr 19 18:59:10 <noobmonk3y> anyone know how to set a font color on a QtGui.QProgressDialog ? :D
Apr 19 19:00:24 <w00t_> see QWidget.setPalette docs
Apr 19 19:00:38 <w00t_> I haven't actually done it myself, but that should help you in the right direction
Apr 19 19:00:48 <w00t_> bbl make dinner
Apr 19 19:01:17 <wazd> ok, let's talk bout balalaykas, vodka and bears :)
Apr 19 19:01:53 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, using the setlabel(QLabel*) property cant you pass a pre configured label
Apr 19 19:02:25 <lcuk> since the label itself is a composite widget added within the qprogressdialog
Apr 19 19:04:04 <noobmonk3y> :|
Apr 19 19:09:30 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Is there any utility available for the N900 which will turn off email checking based on time?
Apr 19 19:10:20 <dima202> Was anyone able to install screen?
Apr 19 19:11:45 <dima202> apt-get install screen and i get This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
Apr 19 19:11:48 <dima202> is only available from another source
Apr 19 19:12:07 <dima202> I have extras /testing/devel all enabled
Apr 19 19:12:46 <Arkenoi> dunno, installs just fine for me
Apr 19 19:13:01 <dima202> where from Arkenoi ?
Apr 19 19:13:25 <Arkenoi> Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free screen 4.0.3-0.3osso4+0m5 [595kB]
Apr 19 19:13:26 <Arkenoi> Get:2 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ libncursesw5 5.7+20081213-1.maemo1+0m5 [341kB]
Apr 19 19:13:26 <Arkenoi> Fetched 936kB in 5s (158kB/s)
Apr 19 19:13:32 <dima202> thatnks
Apr 19 19:13:35 <dima202> thanks*
Apr 19 19:18:37 <dima202> wait which repository is that in
Apr 19 19:19:10 <dima202> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free,deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ fremantle free non-free or deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free
Apr 19 19:19:42 <Arkenoi> you need tools repository to be enabled as well
Apr 19 19:20:39 <dima202> What's the locations for the tools repository?
Apr 19 19:20:50 <dima202> I dont see it in http://repository.maemo.org/
Apr 19 19:21:37 <dima202> oh is it the sdk repo?
Apr 19 19:21:53 <Arkenoi> yes
Apr 19 19:22:51 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, anyone know the path to the Modest config files?
Apr 19 19:23:13 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Finding anything on this bloomin' device is needle-in-a-haystack like
Apr 19 19:24:20 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Aha!
Apr 19 19:24:32 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, looking into the setlabeltext - it literally just sets the label text, not colours etc
Apr 19 19:24:33 <Gadgetoid_mbp> < l2u find
Apr 19 19:24:49 <noobmonk3y> oh hold on you said setllabel
Apr 19 19:24:50 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 19 19:24:53 <noobmonk3y> setlabel*
Apr 19 19:25:22 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, thats not what i said :p
Apr 19 19:25:36 <lcuk> setlabel allows you to pass a complete label in
Apr 19 19:25:37 <noobmonk3y> well, setlabel(QLabel*
Apr 19 19:25:56 <lcuk> yeah - the qlabel widget you pass it is used on the widget
Apr 19 19:26:06 <Gadgetoid_mbp> AHA!
Apr 19 19:26:15 <lcuk> now of course
Apr 19 19:26:23 <lcuk> i dunno how you change the colour of that
Apr 19 19:26:50 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Aha /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest/%gconf.xml   .... I love this phone!
Apr 19 19:27:03 <dima202> Arkenoi: in SDK i do not see tools
Apr 19 19:27:18 <dima202> Why does everyone find this tools repository except me!!
Apr 19 19:27:24 <noobmonk3y> lol lcuk
Apr 19 19:27:25 <dima202> lol :(
Apr 19 19:28:03 <lcuk> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle sdk/free sdk/non-free tools/free tools/non-free
Apr 19 19:28:04 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Now I must learn to use gconftool
Apr 19 19:28:06 <noobmonk3y> hmmm figured that part
Apr 19 19:28:13 <noobmonk3y> but unfortunatley it doesnt set the progress bar color
Apr 19 19:28:15 <noobmonk3y> sooooooooooo
Apr 19 19:28:19 <dima202> http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/944/angryworker3ve.gif <- how i feel
Apr 19 19:28:22 <noobmonk3y> i set a new progress bar in its place
Apr 19 19:28:25 <Gadgetoid_mbp> And then learn to schedule gconftool to change the auto update setting of modest
Apr 19 19:28:30 <noobmonk3y> in the same way as qlabel........ nothing appeared ;)
Apr 19 19:28:34 <lcuk> dima202, on repository.maemo.org its missing the fremantle ones, but it includes repository info for diablo
Apr 19 19:28:47 <lcuk> with a minor wave of magic wand - you can make those work in fremantle
Apr 19 19:29:04 <dima202> ok, thanks, I will try it
Apr 19 19:29:08 <noobmonk3y> would be ok if the progress bar text didnt vanish at 50% :(
Apr 19 19:29:09 <ToJa92> nice, I accidentaly opened tvo mIRC so they were fighting with each other... :(
Apr 19 19:29:18 <noobmonk3y> lol ToJa92
Apr 19 19:29:48 <ToJa92> well nothing happened the first time so I tried starting another and didn't notice the first one :P
Apr 19 19:33:27 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, i wanted to put a little app together at weekend
Apr 19 19:33:33 <lcuk> in pyqt
Apr 19 19:33:39 <noobmonk3y> oooo yay!
Apr 19 19:33:43 <noobmonk3y> healthcheck the healthcheck?
Apr 19 19:35:53 <mece> hey
Apr 19 19:36:22 <mece> how do I pipe "find ./ | grep .svn" to rm -rf?
Apr 19 19:36:30 <mece> Am crap att commandline magic.
Apr 19 19:36:41 <dima202> Is it possible to give more codecs to the default media player
Apr 19 19:36:54 <xea> find . -name ".svn" -exec rm -rf {} \;   ?
Apr 19 19:36:56 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Does the N900 have an active cron daemon?
Apr 19 19:37:10 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, but i couldnt find a qt native method to do what i wanted!
Apr 19 19:37:14 <noobmonk3y> lol!
Apr 19 19:37:18 <ToJa92> [dima202]: FLAC and OGG is possible to play after you install a package
Apr 19 19:37:18 <Gadgetoid_mbp> gconftool --type bool --set /apps/modest/auto_update false    :D awesome
Apr 19 19:37:28 <noobmonk3y> so you will bastardize other methods to fit? :D
Apr 19 19:37:55 <Gadgetoid_mbp> overnight super battery life saving
Apr 19 19:37:57 <ToJa92> [Gadgetoid_mbp]: I don't think so but fcron is available in extras-devel I think
Apr 19 19:38:09 <Gadgetoid_mbp> ToJa92: cheers, I'll have to have a look
Apr 19 19:38:21 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I got a little suspicious when I could only find an empty cron.daily
Apr 19 19:38:39 <noobmonk3y> Gadgetoid_mbp, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Alarm_Framework ?
Apr 19 19:39:29 <Gadgetoid_mbp> noobmonk3y: you're my hero of the hour
Apr 19 19:39:30 <ToJa92> [Gadgetoid_mbp]: Here, have a wiki page about fcron if you're interested: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron
Apr 19 19:39:41 <noobmonk3y> lol :) - tis a pleasure :)
Apr 19 19:39:49 <noobmonk3y> Gadgetoid_mbp, i heard there is possibly 3 methods
Apr 19 19:39:50 <Gadgetoid_mbp> And you, too, ToJa92
Apr 19 19:39:51 <mece> xea, what does the {} \; mean?
Apr 19 19:39:53 <noobmonk3y> trying to find the tmo thread
Apr 19 19:39:53 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Choices are good :D
Apr 19 19:40:01 <ToJa92> No problem :)
Apr 19 19:40:06 <noobmonk3y> lol 2 should get you started ;)
Apr 19 19:40:10 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm inclined more toward fcron as it's familiar territory
Apr 19 19:40:13 <noobmonk3y> gotta love #maemo ;)
Apr 19 19:40:25 <Gadgetoid_mbp> But also means I can't package it up, or recommend it for inclusion in Tweakr I guess
Apr 19 19:40:44 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Scheduling email checking on/off would be an excellent addition to Tweakr
Apr 19 19:40:54 <Gadgetoid_mbp> As the battery life savings are immense
Apr 19 19:41:00 <xea> mece that substitutes the actual path
Apr 19 19:41:26 <ToJa92> That would be great :D (Although my doesn't seem to check at the specified interval)
Apr 19 19:41:55 * oscillik is listening to Linux Outlaws
Apr 19 19:42:01 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Mine seems to get emails a bit late, even on 5 mins
Apr 19 19:42:18 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Would be nice to increase the interval when on battery, too, and things of that nature
Apr 19 19:42:24 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Err... decrease
Apr 19 19:42:53 <dima202> ToJa92: which package to enable flac and ogg?
Apr 19 19:43:14 <ToJa92> hang on, checking
Apr 19 19:43:43 <ToJa92> it's in extras-devel I think though, so usual warnings apply
Apr 19 19:44:09 <mece> xea, worked, thanks a bunch :)
Apr 19 19:44:17 <ToJa92> It's name is "ogg support"
Apr 19 19:44:22 <dima202> ok thanks
Apr 19 19:44:34 <opdf2> what usb transfer speed should i be expecting from n900?
Apr 19 19:44:46 <opdf2> I'm getting 2.4 megabytes/sec. Is that decent?
Apr 19 19:45:11 <dima202> I'm curious, my display dims while im using the device and stays dim for a few seconds even though i am usin the device. is this normal?
Apr 19 19:45:55 <xea> mece: you're welcome
Apr 19 19:46:09 <ShadowJK> dima202, there's an ambient light sensor. it bright ambient light hte screen is brighter, in dark it's darker. You probably accidentally covered it
Apr 19 19:46:39 <noobmonk3y> dima - simple brightness app sorts that auto dim rubbish out i think
Apr 19 19:46:48 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Well, bugger me... I think modest uses alarmd for its incremental updates anyway
Apr 19 19:47:29 <ToJa92> [opdf2]: I've never checked actual transfer speeds, but I think mine were faster than that...
Apr 19 19:47:31 <ToJa92> is*
Apr 19 19:48:18 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Shame I cannae find a for-dummies alarmd command line pokey thingamejigamabob
Apr 19 19:48:28 <dima202> ogg support is working great :)
Apr 19 19:48:36 <Disconnect> i already miss newsrob :( (http://newsrob.blogspot.com/) i'll get over it tho ;)
Apr 19 19:49:18 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Oooo, there's a GUI :D HAAII!!
Apr 19 19:51:34 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Dear #maemo. I love you.
Apr 19 19:52:10 <mece> ok, fixed rightclick for Heroes of Might and Magic 2 (fheroes2)
Apr 19 19:52:56 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Wow, at 10.5mb alarmed is heavyweight
Apr 19 19:53:05 <pupnik> hheh
Apr 19 19:53:27 <Gadgetoid_mbp> And whinging about the lack of libqt4, which I'm gonna guess is where the weight is coming from
Apr 19 19:53:32 <mece> it's ctrl-click now.
Apr 19 19:54:48 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Oh jesus, a headache-inducing dependency mess
Apr 19 19:55:09 <mece> is wget and unzip in extras?
Apr 19 19:57:05 <Disconnect> nice. the stylus was exactly where i expected it to be. the landscape-only thing is annoying tho.
Apr 19 19:58:34 <Gadgetoid_mbp> What, where, stylus, who?
Apr 19 19:58:39 * GAN900 doesn't get the portrait fixation.
Apr 19 19:58:50 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Portrait is good for... err...
Apr 19 19:58:52 <ToJa92> [mece]: Yes, extras-devel I think
Apr 19 19:58:54 <GAN900> It's unusable for 90% of stuff
Apr 19 19:58:58 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Really really really narrow web pages?
Apr 19 19:59:06 <GAN900> and the rest basically already has it.
Apr 19 19:59:08 <tgalal> hey I can't find call with skype.. it disappeared after switching to another skype account ?!!!
Apr 19 19:59:13 <GAN900> Gadgetoid_mbp, exactly.
Apr 19 19:59:31 <mece> Toja92, ok yes I was wondering if it was in extras. But I guess not.
Apr 19 19:59:33 <tripzero> idk, i'd like portrait for stuff
Apr 19 19:59:35 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've never missed it, all I want is for the goddamned phone app to fix in landscape so it doesn't do that stupid switching
Apr 19 19:59:35 <Disconnect> Gadgetoid_mbp: scrolling lists of -anything-. contacts. 3 column websites with content in the middle column (ie most of them). one handed use.
Apr 19 19:59:46 <ToJa92> [mece]: Well you could always try and see :)
Apr 19 19:59:50 <GAN900> Gadgetoid_mbp, turn the switching off?
Apr 19 19:59:55 <GAN900> Gadgetoid_mbp, it's a setting.
Apr 19 20:00:34 <mece> Toja92, I have them installed, just wondering wherefrom I got them. Anyway it's no difference.
Apr 19 20:00:45 <Gadgetoid_mbp> GAN900: where is it buried?
Apr 19 20:00:53 <ToJa92> [mece]: Oh
Apr 19 20:01:17 <GAN900> Gadgetoid_mbp, should be in the menu of the phone application.
Apr 19 20:01:29 <Gadgetoid_mbp> It does "portrait" or "automatic"
Apr 19 20:01:51 <GAN900> What do you want?
Apr 19 20:02:08 <Gadgetoid_mbp> A "fuck off you're not an iPhone" option would be nice :D
Apr 19 20:03:14 <Gadgetoid_mbp> "landscape" alas... although "automatic" is okay-ish
Apr 19 20:03:25 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Doesn't do a jarring forced-switch when you open the app, at least
Apr 19 20:03:49 <Gadgetoid_mbp> looks like I've hit a roadblock in my evil plans for email checking domination, alarmed is bust for PR1.1
Apr 19 20:04:24 <dima202> why is http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/ "Directory listing is not allowed "
Apr 19 20:04:34 <GAN900> Gadgetoid_mbp, file an enhancement request?
Apr 19 20:04:46 <GAN900> (assuming it hasn't already been filed)
Apr 19 20:05:03 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I imagine it would have... I can't be the only one!
Apr 19 20:06:36 <mece> dima202, go with pool instead if you want listings. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/
Apr 19 20:07:32 <dima202> mece: ok, thanks i'll check it out
Apr 19 20:08:21 <Macer> well
Apr 19 20:08:25 <Macer> does maemo5 use microb still?
Apr 19 20:08:39 <oscillik> yes
Apr 19 20:08:44 <Macer> i was just curious because from what i hear it works with zimbra's ajax interface
Apr 19 20:08:48 <Macer> which is pretty awesome
Apr 19 20:12:44 <Wolfie> i simply can't not post this here, and challenge all of you: http://reprog.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/are-you-one-of-the-10-percent/
Apr 19 20:17:43 <Gadgetoid_mbp> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 posted
Apr 19 20:17:44 <povbot> Bug 9972: Time sensitive "auto update" functionality
Apr 19 20:19:44 * noobmonk3y_ breathes heavily..... aghhhhhhhhh and............... relax
Apr 19 20:20:49 <Timbo> is there a way to get rid of the ctrl soft key in maemo xterm?
Apr 19 20:20:58 <Timbo> it's pretty redundant and i never use it
Apr 19 20:21:01 <Gadgetoid_mbp> :D
Apr 19 20:21:57 <mece> Timbo, yes there is actually.
Apr 19 20:21:59 <mece> umm
Apr 19 20:22:02 <mece> how was it again
Apr 19 20:22:04 <mece> right..
Apr 19 20:22:07 <mece> there's a thread
Apr 19 20:22:17 <Timbo> you can change the existing soft keys
Apr 19 20:22:25 <mece> yep
Apr 19 20:22:26 <Timbo> but it doesn't seem like there is a way to remove the ctrl key
Apr 19 20:22:31 <mece> no?
Apr 19 20:22:33 <mece> hmm
Apr 19 20:22:44 <Lumpio-> Binary search is hard? >_>
Apr 19 20:22:59 <Timbo> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926
Apr 19 20:23:29 <mece> oh righty. the ctrl is there anyway.
Apr 19 20:23:44 <mece> well then i don't know.
Apr 19 20:24:04 <Timbo> thanks anyway
Apr 19 20:26:23 <MohammadAG> hmm, does anyone know why running an app as sudo makes it use the non-hildon theme?
Apr 19 20:26:43 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG,  :|
Apr 19 20:26:53 <noobmonk3y_> shouldnt do? should it?
Apr 19 20:26:54 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, ?
Apr 19 20:27:07 <MohammadAG> I want it to without sudo
Apr 19 20:27:17 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, install gtktetris to see what I mean
Apr 19 20:27:30 <MohammadAG> hmm, debbie does that too (without the sudo though(
Apr 19 20:27:34 <noobmonk3y_> will do :D - just faffing with h/c atm
Apr 19 20:31:03 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, your app doesn't work as root lol
Apr 19 20:31:17 <noobmonk3y_> lol should it?
Apr 19 20:31:38 <MohammadAG> nope
Apr 19 20:31:41 <MohammadAG> actually
Apr 19 20:31:44 <noobmonk3y_> :D
Apr 19 20:31:44 <MohammadAG> it does as root
Apr 19 20:31:48 <noobmonk3y_> oooo
Apr 19 20:31:48 <MohammadAG> just not with sudo
Apr 19 20:31:54 * MohammadAG is confused
Apr 19 20:32:01 <MohammadAG> sudo breaks dbus
Apr 19 20:32:47 <Madsy> I'm using objdump to deassemble a binary stub, and both `objdump`, `arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump` and `arm-linux-objdump` segfaults and dumps core. Anyone else seeing this?
Apr 19 20:34:12 <Madsy> objcopy -O binary --only-section .text a-binary foo.bin
Apr 19 20:34:14 <Madsy> arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump -D -m armv4t -b binary foo.bin
Apr 19 20:34:39 <Madsy> It only happens with the binary BFD
Apr 19 20:50:09 <frals> hmm
Apr 19 20:50:26 <frals> "If it was not possible to integrate fmms into conversations in the future, how about a fully integrated media manager where we can browse all files and choose send via email, mms, bluetooth, etc combining a couple of apps into one"
Apr 19 20:50:35 <frals> i hope he doesnt expect me to turn fmms into that o_O
Apr 19 20:51:35 <thresh> how do i bind kp-enter to enter in mutt?
Apr 19 20:52:38 <thresh> macro generic "<kp-enter>" enter just doesnt work :(
Apr 19 20:54:44 <frals> http://twitter.com/Eyjafjallajokul rofl
Apr 19 20:59:44 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Woo, fcron works ;D
Apr 19 21:00:09 <Gadgetoid_mbp> 0 22 * * * gconftool --type bool --set /apps/modest/auto_update false   = longer battery life and peace & quiet after 10pm
Apr 19 21:00:26 <Gadgetoid_mbp> In theory, anyway
Apr 19 21:01:04 <MohammadAG> halt would make it quiet-er
Apr 19 21:05:34 <Gadgetoid_mbp> True, that
Apr 19 21:05:56 <Gadgetoid_mbp> But wouldn't be much use if I'm trying to podcast myself to sleep
Apr 19 21:07:03 <MohammadAG> i was jk anyways :)
Apr 19 21:08:07 <lcuk> wow noobmonk3y_ really nice mockup you have been sent
Apr 19 21:08:30 <Gadgetoid_mbp> But it's true, one of the entries in fcron is a midnight phone reboot, interesting concept for performance/stability
Apr 19 21:09:10 <noobmonk3y_> :D :D :D
Apr 19 21:09:14 <noobmonk3y_> it is quite cool
Apr 19 21:09:21 <noobmonk3y_> i've actually kept it black n white for now
Apr 19 21:09:25 <lcuk> noobmonk3y_, i would increase very slightly size and bold (add emphasis) the results text
Apr 19 21:09:26 <noobmonk3y_> but centralised the tab bars :D
Apr 19 21:09:30 <lcuk> but otherwise very clean
Apr 19 21:09:41 <noobmonk3y_> css colors (colours!!!!) not playing ball atm
Apr 19 21:09:51 <lcuk> yeah can work on them later obviously
Apr 19 21:10:24 <MohammadAG> if I install a ping package, what would happen when I type ping?
Apr 19 21:10:33 <MohammadAG> (will busybox get confused?)
Apr 19 21:10:39 <lcuk> you will systematically implode
Apr 19 21:10:52 <lcuk> i doubt it
Apr 19 21:11:09 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 19 21:11:10 <lcuk> but backup ping binary just in case if you are worried
Apr 19 21:11:17 <SpeedEvil> busybox is by default confused
Apr 19 21:11:27 <SpeedEvil> you can only unconfuse it by removing it.
Apr 19 21:12:10 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, not for a package :)
Apr 19 21:12:26 <MohammadAG> (Although I really want coreutils and bash instead of it)
Apr 19 21:13:11 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: for non interactive use, busybox is good
Apr 19 21:13:24 <SpeedEvil> it's got lots better performance than coreutils
Apr 19 21:13:44 <SpeedEvil> simply as you don't need to load a binary into RAM, it's already there
Apr 19 21:14:11 <MohammadAG> makes sense
Apr 19 21:14:12 <noobmonk3y_> lcuk, MohammadAG - http://www.greg-roberts.com/s.png
Apr 19 21:14:39 <MohammadAG> NICE battery icon!
Apr 19 21:14:40 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 19 21:14:44 <noobmonk3y_> :D :D :D
Apr 19 21:14:45 * MohammadAG likes the changes
Apr 19 21:15:09 <noobmonk3y_> want to change that top left menu selector icon thingy
Apr 19 21:15:15 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, what's the black bar at the bottom?
Apr 19 21:15:25 <SpeedEvil> I want a battery that indicates charge when charging
Apr 19 21:15:28 <noobmonk3y_> status bar looks like it is making an appearence!
Apr 19 21:15:38 * noobmonk3y_ goes to sort that out!
Apr 19 21:15:48 <noobmonk3y_> oh no, i made some fonts smaller
Apr 19 21:15:51 <noobmonk3y_> need to extend it
Apr 19 21:16:00 <MohammadAG> LOL I never saw that bar
Apr 19 21:16:30 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, did you sort out text wrap?
Apr 19 21:16:35 <noobmonk3y_> yup
Apr 19 21:16:39 <noobmonk3y_> all fixed in this version
Apr 19 21:16:48 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG,  bar is only in this version too
Apr 19 21:16:50 <SpeedEvil> noobmonk3y_: what is this?
Apr 19 21:16:53 <noobmonk3y_> (Havnt changed version number yet
Apr 19 21:17:04 <noobmonk3y_> SpeedEvil, - playing around with CSS for healthcheck
Apr 19 21:17:10 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 19 21:17:51 <noobmonk3y_> lol MohammadAG  i retract that, no idea what th ebar is
Apr 19 21:22:19 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, it's for horizontal scrolling
Apr 19 21:22:36 <MohammadAG> the scrollbar
Apr 19 21:22:37 <noobmonk3y_> nope :(
Apr 19 21:22:56 <noobmonk3y_> all in line now, no bar :|
Apr 19 21:24:54 <noobmonk3y_> definitley the style sheet
Apr 19 21:24:58 <noobmonk3y_> got it down to 2px
Apr 19 21:25:10 <MohammadAG> get it down to -2 :P
Apr 19 21:25:26 <MohammadAG> frals, any MMS from yesterday?
Apr 19 21:28:42 * MohammadAG curses his failed build
Apr 19 21:32:53 * noobmonk3y_ pats Mo on the head.... life goes on ;)
Apr 19 21:34:07 <MohammadAG> LOL
Apr 19 21:34:17 <noobmonk3y_> lol!
Apr 19 21:35:11 <noobmonk3y_> brb
Apr 19 21:53:31 * noobmonk3y_ w0000ts
Apr 19 21:53:43 <MohammadAG> yay he fixed it
Apr 19 21:53:46 <noobmonk3y_> HealthCheck new version just going into extras devel :D
Apr 19 21:53:58 <noobmonk3y_> actually no, still got a mini little bottom bar
Apr 19 21:54:08 <noobmonk3y_> just testing the line you told me about in the desktop file
Apr 19 21:54:12 <MohammadAG> doesn't mind, you fixed something lol
Apr 19 21:54:17 <noobmonk3y_> hehe yeah
Apr 19 21:55:29 <MohammadAG> Nokia Messaging seems a bit faster
Apr 19 21:55:39 <MohammadAG> it's actually push for all my email accounts now
Apr 19 21:56:16 <noobmonk3y_> now?
Apr 19 21:56:34 <MohammadAG> well it's push for me now
Apr 19 21:56:44 <noobmonk3y_> now since.... you turned it to push? :D
Apr 19 21:56:45 <MohammadAG> they might have updated the server side stuff
Apr 19 21:56:59 <noobmonk3y_> hehe - have to admit nokia messaging has just...... worked for me, quite impressed
Apr 19 21:57:00 <MohammadAG> lol, it used to fetch my ovi mail as push
Apr 19 21:57:04 <MohammadAG> but it pulled my gmail
Apr 19 21:57:14 <noobmonk3y_> yeah it pushes my yahoo quite well :D
Apr 19 21:57:23 <MohammadAG> very useful for maemo bugs
Apr 19 21:57:30 <MohammadAG> and package comments
Apr 19 21:57:33 <noobmonk3y_> :P
Apr 19 21:57:53 <MohammadAG> I'm not sure why I have my Junk folder subscribed
Apr 19 21:59:24 <noobmonk3y_> :P
Apr 19 21:59:27 <w00t_> anyone know if there is a way (dbus signal maybe?) to tell when the app switcher is opened/closed?
Apr 19 21:59:54 <w00t_> from dbus-monitor, it doesn't seem like it, so I'm hoping there's another way
Apr 19 22:00:21 <MohammadAG> the dashboard?
Apr 19 22:00:34 <w00t_> the thing that appears with live thumbnails of running apps
Apr 19 22:00:39 <w00t_> app switcher :p
Apr 19 22:00:48 <noobmonk3y_> meh icon has vanished from HAM again :(
Apr 19 22:01:10 <noobmonk3y_> oooooo good question w00t_
Apr 19 22:01:38 <w00t_> and a difficult one, as far as I can tell
Apr 19 22:01:48 * w00t_ cannot find any way to do that, and it's annoying
Apr 19 22:01:54 <MohammadAG> I'm kind of asking myself something
Apr 19 22:02:03 <MohammadAG> if you're in an app it's not in the switcher
Apr 19 22:02:13 <MohammadAG> Oh I can tell why you need it
Apr 19 22:02:28 <MohammadAG> to update facebrick when someone goes into the dashboard
Apr 19 22:02:39 <w00t_> not quite, no, this isn't facebrick related
Apr 19 22:02:45 <w00t_> seperate app, cooler one
Apr 19 22:02:47 <noobmonk3y_> facepalm related?
Apr 19 22:02:55 * MohammadAG gets excited
Apr 19 22:03:03 <w00t_> (not ready to talk about it just now :P)
Apr 19 22:03:14 * MohammadAG loses excitement
Apr 19 22:03:26 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG,  go to extras devel and download HealthCheck ;)
Apr 19 22:03:30 <noobmonk3y_> you know you wanna ;)
Apr 19 22:03:51 * MohammadAG seriously needs a nuclear battery
Apr 19 22:04:04 <noobmonk3y_> has anyone overclocked her btw? - need to test the cpu frequencies field some more
Apr 19 22:04:25 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG, nearly all of the system tabs info update via click now :D
Apr 19 22:04:35 <noobmonk3y_> added system load too
Apr 19 22:04:53 <noobmonk3y_> by her, i meant here* lol
Apr 19 22:05:03 <ds3> I'll settle for a stable system at this point
Apr 19 22:05:16 <noobmonk3y_> :D
Apr 19 22:05:16 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, I'm still waiting for DocS and Speed Evil (spaces to not ping them) to start warning about overclocking
Apr 19 22:05:32 <MohammadAG> or arguing :P
Apr 19 22:05:35 <noobmonk3y_> lol they can warn all they want, i'm just interested in testing
Apr 19 22:05:49 <noobmonk3y_> if people want to do it, they can do ti :D - i aint no mother :D
Apr 19 22:05:58 <noobmonk3y_> it*
Apr 19 22:06:27 * MohammadAG echos false values into the scaling frequencies file
Apr 19 22:06:32 <MohammadAG> 7000 here I come
Apr 19 22:06:41 <ToJa92> Lol
Apr 19 22:06:55 <ds3> put in a faster chip if you want to go faster
Apr 19 22:07:06 <opdf2> anyone from USA order Vikuiti DQC-160?
Apr 19 22:07:47 <ToJa92> [noobmonk3y_]: I could try healthcheck out, I have overclocked
Apr 19 22:07:53 <noobmonk3y_> :P
Apr 19 22:08:04 <noobmonk3y_> thanks ToJa92  - new version in devel
Apr 19 22:08:11 <noobmonk3y_> it should force a new line
Apr 19 22:08:17 <noobmonk3y_> on the frequencies line :D
Apr 19 22:08:39 <ToJa92> just waiting for fennec to finish updating so I can download it :P
Apr 19 22:08:42 <noobmonk3y_> beforehand it expanded the list so you had to scroll sideways - was a bit messy
Apr 19 22:09:43 <noobmonk3y_> cool :D thanks :D
Apr 19 22:10:17 <ToJa92> how come some applications can be updated in app manager even though they have 'conflicting packages' ?
Apr 19 22:10:30 <MohammadAG> Oooh new desktop file :D
Apr 19 22:11:10 <MohammadAG> hmm
Apr 19 22:11:13 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_,
Apr 19 22:11:17 <MohammadAG> can you increase the top bar a bit?
Apr 19 22:11:23 <noobmonk3y_> increase?
Apr 19 22:11:38 <MohammadAG> yeah, sec
Apr 19 22:12:02 <noobmonk3y_> ToJa92,  no idea!
Apr 19 22:12:06 <vblazquez> Hi, i'm trying to package an application, i did it succesfully, with dpkg -i application.deb works fine, but with the app manager is not working, is it needed something special?
Apr 19 22:12:14 <noobmonk3y_> think its a temp fix until pr1.2
Apr 19 22:12:31 <noobmonk3y_> what do you mean with the app manager? auto builder?
Apr 19 22:12:38 <noobmonk3y_> hi by the way :D hehe
Apr 19 22:12:49 <vblazquez> under gui
Apr 19 22:12:55 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, http://i42.tinypic.com/2445iwz.jpg
Apr 19 22:13:11 <noobmonk3y_> moh, you can scroll it down lol
Apr 19 22:13:17 <noobmonk3y_> little overlap looks cool i think :(
Apr 19 22:13:19 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, HAM
Apr 19 22:13:24 <noobmonk3y_> Ham sandwhich?
Apr 19 22:13:31 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, lol I know
Apr 19 22:13:48 <MohammadAG> I meant the black bar behind the 4 buttons
Apr 19 22:13:50 <noobmonk3y_> so did you mean to remove the overlap?
Apr 19 22:14:07 <noobmonk3y_> actually, its the buttons that dangle :)
Apr 19 22:14:24 * MohammadAG wants MS paint
Apr 19 22:14:31 <noobmonk3y_> gimp will do?
Apr 19 22:14:41 <noobmonk3y_> actually tux paint looks good ;)
Apr 19 22:14:43 <noobmonk3y_> hehe
Apr 19 22:14:43 <MohammadAG> I want a quick way lol
Apr 19 22:14:47 <MohammadAG> don't know all labels
Apr 19 22:15:15 <noobmonk3y_> anyway, what you dont like is the way the tab labels appear over the list labels?
Apr 19 22:15:28 <ToJa92> is it the CPU frequencies field you want to know the value of?
Apr 19 22:15:41 <noobmonk3y_> ToJa92,  just checking that it doesnt scroll of the screen
Apr 19 22:15:48 <noobmonk3y_> and that it overlaps, and creates a new line :D
Apr 19 22:15:51 <dneary> Robot101, Ping?
Apr 19 22:15:53 <ToJa92> oh
Apr 19 22:15:57 <noobmonk3y_> if there are more than three frequencies
Apr 19 22:16:00 <ToJa92> well, it does not create a new line
Apr 19 22:16:05 <noobmonk3y_> :| eeeeeeeek
Apr 19 22:16:09 <ToJa92> I got like 10 frequencies
Apr 19 22:16:16 <noobmonk3y_> oh!
Apr 19 22:16:20 <noobmonk3y_> didnt predict that many!
Apr 19 22:16:23 <ToJa92> 14 actually
Apr 19 22:16:24 <ToJa92> :P
Apr 19 22:16:25 <noobmonk3y_> thought a max of about 8
Apr 19 22:16:36 <noobmonk3y_> does it reacreate a second line?
Apr 19 22:16:40 <noobmonk3y_> then kinda go nuts?
Apr 19 22:17:00 <ToJa92> nope, the line below it says "Camera shutter state"
Apr 19 22:17:18 <noobmonk3y_> so you can only see a couple of your frequencies?
Apr 19 22:17:30 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, quick professional edit http://i42.tinypic.com/10h0wwg.jpg
Apr 19 22:17:33 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 19 22:17:46 <ToJa92> no, I can see all, the table expands on width instead of new line
Apr 19 22:17:55 <noobmonk3y_> lol MohammadAG  - will remove the dangling
Apr 19 22:17:57 <ToJa92> so the table is extremely wide right now
Apr 19 22:18:02 <noobmonk3y_> ToJa92, - will add some new lines :P
Apr 19 22:18:10 <noobmonk3y_> hmmm it should create a new line after the first three
Apr 19 22:18:14 <noobmonk3y_> so thats really confusing
Apr 19 22:19:08 * MohammadAG likes the expanding tables
Apr 19 22:19:24 * noobmonk3y_ doesn't :(
Apr 19 22:19:26 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, did you change the font?
Apr 19 22:19:30 <MohammadAG> it doesn't look the same
Apr 19 22:19:42 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG,  yeah , CSS screws it up
Apr 19 22:19:51 <dneary> Any San Franciscans here?
Apr 19 22:19:52 <ToJa92> [noobmonk3y_]: How about you do like this. You can see the first three values, then you have to click on the item to actually view the rest of them=
Apr 19 22:19:54 * MohammadAG likes CSS
Apr 19 22:19:54 <ToJa92> ?
Apr 19 22:20:03 <ToJa92> CSS is nice
Apr 19 22:20:05 <noobmonk3y_> ToJa92, sounsd great - hard to do :(
Apr 19 22:20:13 <noobmonk3y_> CSS Font size is smaller than before ToJa92
Apr 19 22:20:59 <ToJa92> strange, after opening healthchecker my reception dropped to nothing :S
Apr 19 22:21:49 <ToJa92> anyways, gotta sleep now
Apr 19 22:21:50 <ToJa92> later
Apr 19 22:21:55 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, the tests look better!
Apr 19 22:21:59 <noobmonk3y_> thanks ToJa92  :D
Apr 19 22:22:04 <noobmonk3y_> Yeah MohammadAG ! :D
Apr 19 22:22:07 <noobmonk3y_> i thought so too :D
Apr 19 22:22:27 <ToJa92> no problem, you couls /msg me here if you want more testing down.. that would have to wait until tommorow though
Apr 19 22:23:16 <noobmonk3y_> thanks ToJa92  :D - will update another version tomorrow night ;)
Apr 19 22:23:25 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG,  Will do another one for you in a minute hehe
Apr 19 22:23:49 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 19 22:23:55 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, one more thing
Apr 19 22:24:01 <noobmonk3y_> oooo yeah
Apr 19 22:24:02 <MohammadAG> does the camera test really check the back cover?
Apr 19 22:24:06 <noobmonk3y_> yup
Apr 19 22:24:13 <noobmonk3y_> try fooling it!
Apr 19 22:24:52 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, I did
Apr 19 22:24:52 <MohammadAG> XD
Apr 19 22:24:57 <noobmonk3y_> it worked?
Apr 19 22:25:13 <noobmonk3y_> if it is open, it wont ask you to open it ;)
Apr 19 22:25:32 <MohammadAG> if it's closed it will
Apr 19 22:25:39 <MohammadAG> and if I pick yes it seems to take a pic
Apr 19 22:25:48 <noobmonk3y_> oh well, its a bit of a faff
Apr 19 22:25:51 <noobmonk3y_> but it works
Apr 19 22:26:05 <MohammadAG> it does take a pic
Apr 19 22:26:07 <noobmonk3y_> :D
Apr 19 22:26:12 <MohammadAG> I removed the back cover (it thinks it's closed)
Apr 19 22:26:17 <noobmonk3y_> lol!
Apr 19 22:26:21 <noobmonk3y_> random!
Apr 19 22:26:56 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, actually, the mechanism it uses is racist
Apr 19 22:27:07 <noobmonk3y_> lol!!!
Apr 19 22:27:10 <MohammadAG> camera is open for white surfaces, closed for black ones
Apr 19 22:27:16 <noobmonk3y_> awwwwww
Apr 19 22:27:45 <MohammadAG> wow, almost broke the clip XD
Apr 19 22:30:55 <noobmonk3y_> :|
Apr 19 22:33:10 <noobmonk3y_> w000ps
Apr 19 22:33:16 <noobmonk3y_> sent h/c in twice to get built
Apr 19 22:33:19 <noobmonk3y_> oh well
Apr 19 22:33:27 <noobmonk3y_> BACON!
Apr 19 22:33:49 * noobmonk3y_ wonders if frals smelt that and is a coming a running ;)
Apr 19 22:34:35 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, no worries, one will get rejected
Apr 19 22:34:38 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 19 22:34:40 <noobmonk3y_> ;)
Apr 19 22:34:59 <BCMM> thinking of making a replacement startup video for my n900
Apr 19 22:35:04 <noobmonk3y_> :D :D
Apr 19 22:35:11 <BCMM> what happens if the video is long?
Apr 19 22:35:24 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG,  - both suceeded!
Apr 19 22:35:36 <noobmonk3y_> bcmm - you wait a long time to get into your phone ;)
Apr 19 22:36:00 <noobmonk3y_> set it as a lord of the rings film then lend it to someone lol
Apr 19 22:36:29 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, err
Apr 19 22:36:30 <BCMM> noobmonk3y_: yes, but does the GUI start in the background or what?
Apr 19 22:36:40 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, you're gonna bring down the autobuilder!!!
Apr 19 22:36:42 <noobmonk3y_> BCMM, dont think so
Apr 19 22:36:43 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 19 22:36:47 <BCMM> i mean, if the video is much too long, will the GUI load behind the video, or after it finishes?
Apr 19 22:36:54 * noobmonk3y_ is gonna cause mayhem! wohoooooooo
Apr 19 22:36:58 <noobmonk3y_> BCMM, I think not
Apr 19 22:37:06 <MohammadAG> # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 1.1.1-1 OK   Maemo Extras Builder
Apr 19 22:37:09 <MohammadAG> # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 1.1.1-1 OK   Maemo Extras Builder
Apr 19 22:37:09 <MohammadAG> omg
Apr 19 22:37:12 <MohammadAG> they did succeed
Apr 19 22:37:14 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG, Sir.... your changes are made!
Apr 19 22:37:18 <noobmonk3y_> tis in devel!
Apr 19 22:37:21 <noobmonk3y_> and i know, lol!
Apr 19 22:37:23 * MohammadAG waits for the downtime
Apr 19 22:37:24 <BCMM> noobmonk3y_: so the gui loads after the video finishes?
Apr 19 22:37:26 <noobmonk3y_> i didn't lie!
Apr 19 22:37:28 * MohammadAG thanks noobmonk3y_ 
Apr 19 22:37:33 <noobmonk3y_> BCMM,  Yes that should be the order it works
Apr 19 22:37:40 <noobmonk3y_> i do not think there is a forced limit either
Apr 19 22:37:43 <noobmonk3y_> just depends on space
Apr 19 22:38:30 <noobmonk3y_> file corrupted on update
Apr 19 22:38:32 <noobmonk3y_> lol!!!!
Apr 19 22:38:43 * noobmonk3y_ laughs
Apr 19 22:38:48 * noobmonk3y_ killed autobuilder :(
Apr 19 22:40:55 <MohammadAG> <noobmonk3y_> tis in devel!
Apr 19 22:40:58 <MohammadAG> WHAT
Apr 19 22:41:09 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG,  try and update - i'm getting corrupted file
Apr 19 22:41:18 <MohammadAG> screw that
Apr 19 22:41:22 <MohammadAG> it got imported?!?!
Apr 19 22:41:29 <noobmonk3y_> and died!
Apr 19 22:41:32 <SpeedEvil> Is anyone aware of a way tyo simplyt copy / to /sd - and to boot onto that using the 'open keyboard and hold a key' feature ?
Apr 19 22:41:40 <noobmonk3y_> :|
Apr 19 22:41:56 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, damn, the importer fought back and it didn't bring down the system
Apr 19 22:43:34 * noobmonk3y_ is uploading a new new one
Apr 19 22:44:38 <MohammadAG> damn control file got screwed
Apr 19 22:45:27 <noobmonk3y_> hehe
Apr 19 22:46:05 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, why'd you bump the version 2 numbers?
Apr 19 22:46:25 <noobmonk3y_> cos number 2 got ancy and started biting my ankles
Apr 19 22:46:36 <noobmonk3y_> built it and made a mistake, so then fixed it and made 3
Apr 19 22:47:10 <cehteh> http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/177219/Palm-WebOS-Hacked-Via-SMS-Messages
Apr 19 22:47:19 <cehteh> bwaha .. sms'o'death
Apr 19 22:47:50 <noobmonk3y_> lol!
Apr 19 22:49:05 <noobmonk3y_> it's in extras-devel
Apr 19 22:49:08 <noobmonk3y_> off for a ciggy, brb
Apr 19 23:02:58 <noobmonk3y> night alls :D
Apr 19 23:03:05 <MohammadAG> nooooo
Apr 19 23:03:08 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 19 23:03:11 <MohammadAG> gnite noobmonk3y
Apr 19 23:03:12 <noobmonk3y> mooooooo or nooooooooo?
Apr 19 23:03:20 <MohammadAG> noooooooo
Apr 19 23:03:23 <noobmonk3y> :P
Apr 19 23:03:29 <noobmonk3y> i r tired
Apr 19 23:03:31 <MohammadAG> s/noooooooo/nooooooooooooooooooooooooo/
Apr 19 23:03:32 <infobot> MohammadAG meant: nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Apr 19 23:03:35 <noobmonk3y> isnt it like 3am there?
Apr 19 23:03:42 <MohammadAG> 2:03
Apr 19 23:03:43 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
Apr 19 23:03:47 <MohammadAG> I sleep at 5
Apr 19 23:03:51 <MohammadAG> lmao
Apr 19 23:04:05 * noobmonk3y eats frals trout
Apr 19 23:04:10 <noobmonk3y> oooo fishhhhhhhhhay
Apr 19 23:04:12 <frals> bastard!
Apr 19 23:04:25 <noobmonk3y> meh, lifes a bitch ;)
Apr 19 23:04:30 <frals> :D
Apr 19 23:04:35 <MohammadAG> XD
Apr 19 23:04:38 <noobmonk3y> frals - healthcheck is getting a very slow makeover!
Apr 19 23:04:51 <frals> cool
Apr 19 23:04:55 <frals> getting a decent ui? ;)
Apr 19 23:04:59 <noobmonk3y> http://www.greg-roberts.com/s.png - changed a bit since then
Apr 19 23:05:04 <noobmonk3y> well, not really
Apr 19 23:05:07 <noobmonk3y> just not so boring
Apr 19 23:05:19 <MohammadAG> frals, it's decent ;)
Apr 19 23:05:27 <MohammadAG> actually I like it, it's very simple
Apr 19 23:05:34 <noobmonk3y> noticed that QT and css dont like each other much
Apr 19 23:05:41 <MohammadAG> but still more complex than an iCrap list
Apr 19 23:06:01 <noobmonk3y> lol true
Apr 19 23:06:21 * MohammadAG lost his N900
Apr 19 23:06:36 * noobmonk3y ate MohammadAG's N900
Apr 19 23:06:47 <MohammadAG> still in ssh range
Apr 19 23:06:58 * MohammadAG does a sudo sh explode.sh
Apr 19 23:07:01 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 19 23:07:05 <noobmonk3y> Sudo fart
Apr 19 23:07:08 <frals> hmm checking my blogstats from yesterday
Apr 19 23:07:13 <frals> 2999 visits
Apr 19 23:07:15 <frals> doh!
Apr 19 23:07:21 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, you killed the system!!!
Apr 19 23:07:26 <MohammadAG> you shouldn't have done it as root
Apr 19 23:07:43 <noobmonk3y> ??!?! lol
Apr 19 23:07:50 <MohammadAG> sudo fart
Apr 19 23:07:53 <noobmonk3y> evil hell of a fart!
Apr 19 23:08:07 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, your status menu is clean
Apr 19 23:08:41 <noobmonk3y> ?
Apr 19 23:08:47 <MohammadAG> http://i42.tinypic.com/10h0wwg.jpg
Apr 19 23:08:57 <MohammadAG> err, hildon-status-menu
Apr 19 23:09:01 <MohammadAG> the thing with the clock
Apr 19 23:09:21 <noobmonk3y> clean?
Apr 19 23:09:31 <MohammadAG> it's empty
Apr 19 23:09:32 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 19 23:09:33 <noobmonk3y> oh no extra stuff?
Apr 19 23:09:35 <noobmonk3y> hehe :D
Apr 19 23:09:46 <crashanddie_> frals: wow, just get that number to be multiplied by 10 and you can have a viable blog
Apr 19 23:09:47 <noobmonk3y> not really modded it much
Apr 19 23:09:57 * MohammadAG is amazed someone uses the 24h system
Apr 19 23:10:00 <noobmonk3y> frals, i visited twice :D
Apr 19 23:10:17 <MohammadAG> what blog?
Apr 19 23:10:22 * MohammadAG loves blogs
Apr 19 23:10:26 <MohammadAG> except maybe engadget
Apr 19 23:10:31 <noobmonk3y> frals has a porn blog... maemohamsters.blog.com
Apr 19 23:10:45 <MohammadAG> hamster porn?
Apr 19 23:10:47 <MohammadAG> eww
Apr 19 23:10:53 <frals> crashanddie_: yes, im considering switching to posting about fashin and videologs of myself
Apr 19 23:11:06 <frals> just need to get breast implants and blonde hair
Apr 19 23:11:07 <Arkenoi> Does anyone have digia @scene working? I get "this video was removed" for everything i try there :-/
Apr 19 23:11:10 <noobmonk3y> lol!!!!
Apr 19 23:11:17 <MohammadAG> lmfao
Apr 19 23:11:21 <MohammadAG> frals, link?
Apr 19 23:11:23 <Arkenoi> It just started behaving that way a few weeks ago
Apr 19 23:11:25 <crashanddie_> frals: I've had a few weeks around 50k visits a day
Apr 19 23:11:48 <crashanddie_> when I was a heavy poster, haven't written in quite a while
Apr 19 23:12:17 <crazyhorsss> how can i compile on the n900 device itself?
Apr 19 23:12:33 <crashanddie_> crazyhorsss: command it? "I order you to compile"
Apr 19 23:12:48 <crashanddie_> crazyhorsss: now, if you told us what language, we might be able to help :)
Apr 19 23:12:59 <crashanddie_> crazyhorsss: usually it involves install build-essential ;)
Apr 19 23:13:07 * MohammadAG assumes C/C++
Apr 19 23:13:16 <frals> MohammadAG: blog.frals.se
Apr 19 23:13:18 * lcuk wants to go shoot some zombies
Apr 19 23:13:25 <frals> i only post about fmms stuff
Apr 19 23:13:25 <noobmonk3y> http://blog.frals.se/
Apr 19 23:13:28 <noobmonk3y> meh he beat me
Apr 19 23:13:35 <MohammadAG> lcuk, CoD WaW :P
Apr 19 23:13:46 <frals> l4d2!
Apr 19 23:13:55 * lcuk just watched zombieland
Apr 19 23:13:55 <MohammadAG> COD!
Apr 19 23:13:58 <rm_you> l4d2 wins :P
Apr 19 23:13:59 <crashanddie_> HL2? :P
Apr 19 23:14:08 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, zombieland rocks!
Apr 19 23:14:09 <lcuk> hl2 wins
Apr 19 23:14:09 <crashanddie_> MW2 -- not zombies, still very good.
Apr 19 23:14:11 <MohammadAG> CS :p
Apr 19 23:14:19 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, indeed :)
Apr 19 23:14:26 <rm_you> l4d2 == zombieland
Apr 19 23:14:27 * MohammadAG is still stuck without online
Apr 19 23:14:34 * MohammadAG might as well update
Apr 19 23:14:40 <frals> had they just had dedi servers mw2 wouldve been awesome
Apr 19 23:14:47 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, i spotted advert for it b4 and got it on ppv
Apr 19 23:14:50 <crashanddie_> frals: meh, never noticed anything different
Apr 19 23:15:01 <crashanddie_> frals: then again, I play on PS3, so used to it
Apr 19 23:15:02 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 19 23:15:04 <noobmonk3y> ppv?
Apr 19 23:15:06 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, lots of migrating stuff
Apr 19 23:15:12 <lcuk> or ondemand or whatever it is
Apr 19 23:15:15 <frals> crashanddie: that explain it then
Apr 19 23:15:19 <crazyhorsss> what could be the problem.. im trying to open a new console window while  running this one, gets me and error Could not open console
Apr 19 23:15:40 <frals> crazyhorsss: limit is 4 open at once
Apr 19 23:15:43 <MohammadAG> Migrating server ... Awaiting connection .. 0 .. 1.. Connecting to server 0 ... Game lobby closed
Apr 19 23:15:45 <frals> unless you change it
Apr 19 23:15:52 <rm_you> grah unemployment blows
Apr 19 23:15:58 <crazyhorsss> i have just 1 open
Apr 19 23:16:22 * MohammadAG is away for less than 5 minutes
Apr 19 23:16:30 <lcuk> and the world goes to shit
Apr 19 23:16:39 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG: really, we don't give a sht
Apr 19 23:17:10 <lcuk> crazyhorsss, do you understand linux
Apr 19 23:17:15 <crazyhorsss> yes
Apr 19 23:17:29 <lcuk> compiling on device is limited
Apr 19 23:17:43 <lcuk> you cannot simply get ./configure, and you cannot simply build packages
Apr 19 23:17:44 <crazyhorsss> not a pro, but avera linux user
Apr 19 23:17:51 <lcuk> but add the maemo sdk and tools repositories
Apr 19 23:17:55 <crashanddie_> crazyhorsss: control shift x
Apr 19 23:18:01 <lcuk> and if you have enough space you can apt-get install build-essential
Apr 19 23:18:19 <lcuk> which gives you "make" and gcc :)
Apr 19 23:18:19 <crashanddie_> crazyhorsss: that opens a new console every time
Apr 19 23:18:25 * noobmonk3y loves python.......
Apr 19 23:18:29 <noobmonk3y> night alls (again)
Apr 19 23:18:31 <crazyhorsss> how much space?
Apr 19 23:18:34 <crashanddie_> night noobmonk3y
Apr 19 23:18:36 <lcuk> night noobmonk3y
Apr 19 23:18:38 <noobmonk3y> ciaooooooooooo
Apr 19 23:19:12 <crazyhorsss> crashanddie_: thanks, it works
Apr 19 23:19:12 <lcuk> crazyhorsss, lots - apt-get will tell you and its up to you to sort it - alternative as noobmonk3y suggested is python
Apr 19 23:19:14 <lcuk> much simpler
Apr 19 23:19:18 <lcuk> less heavyweight
Apr 19 23:19:25 <lcuk> pyqt works well
Apr 19 23:19:29 <crashanddie_> easier to develop on-device
Apr 19 23:19:51 <lcuk> install healthcheck - it will put everything you need for on device hacking of .py files
Apr 19 23:20:09 <lcuk> in console run python file.py and have fun
Apr 19 23:20:15 <lcuk> the rest is fluff
Apr 19 23:20:28 <crashanddie_> crazyhorsss: I was a big anti-python guy, and well, i have to say I like it a lot now. I'm guessing if you need CPU-intensive stuff you can always write it in C and then call it from python -- use python as a glue, and C as your bricks
Apr 19 23:20:30 <crazyhorsss> yeah, great for ,ython
Apr 19 23:21:27 <crashanddie_> crazyhorsss: python will allow you to architecture your application the way you want it, hack it the way you want it, and then if needed, you can develop the C "modules" (subsections that aren't fast enough in python) at home, from the comfort of your PC
Apr 19 23:21:37 <crashanddie_> that's how I do it now
Apr 19 23:21:40 <Disconnect> sweeet mms worked :)
Apr 19 23:21:53 <crashanddie_> hack on the go, optimize at home
Apr 19 23:22:00 <crashanddie_> aaarggghhhh, I die a little inside
Apr 19 23:22:08 <crashanddie_> s/ize/ise/
Apr 19 23:22:18 <crazyhorsss> ok, thanks
Apr 19 23:22:42 <crashanddie_> lcuk: show him a cool  video of what you did all in C, on the device :)
Apr 19 23:22:46 <crashanddie_> lcuk: show him it's possible
Apr 19 23:23:22 <lcuk> crazyhorsss, install liqflow
Apr 19 23:23:30 <lcuk> its the simplest way to show you something different
Apr 19 23:23:54 <crazyhorsss> Ok
Apr 19 23:24:57 <lcuk> i need on device stuff again soon crashanddie_
Apr 19 23:25:17 <crashanddie_> lcuk: why so?
Apr 19 23:25:17 <lcuk> my desk has got 810s and 900s and pcs
Apr 19 23:25:20 <crazyhorsss> brb
Apr 19 23:25:34 <lcuk> i need to get them all compiling new builds as i make changes
Apr 19 23:25:41 <lcuk> and running them - just like i did on one machine
Apr 19 23:25:48 <lcuk> now on a cluster of different ones
Apr 19 23:25:53 <lcuk> so i can see the effects
Apr 19 23:26:21 <lcuk> i wanted to write the communication manager in pyqt
Apr 19 23:26:35 <lcuk> but qt has no native method to do multicast
Apr 19 23:27:55 <crashanddie_> lcuk: http://qt.nokia.com/developer/faqs/faq.2007-05-04.3155102847
Apr 19 23:28:25 <lcuk> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7
Apr 19 23:28:29 <lcuk> i know of that
Apr 19 23:28:36 <lcuk> but its not cross platform or native qt
Apr 19 23:28:40 <Robot101> lcuk: use tubes in salut...
Apr 19 23:28:43 <crashanddie_> ah, yes indeed
Apr 19 23:28:46 <Robot101> lcuk: it has a multicase protocol already
Apr 19 23:28:46 <lcuk> i have to step out of the qt walled garden to get it
Apr 19 23:28:59 <Robot101> *multicast
Apr 19 23:29:13 <Robot101> lcuk: andrunko or smcv or oggis or wjt can help you :)
Apr 19 23:29:35 <lcuk> Robot101, i was just wanting something quick - none of the machines have any accounts o_O :D but yes i will speak to them
Apr 19 23:29:45 <lcuk> ie - i will have 5 local machines
Apr 19 23:29:48 <lcuk> different profiles
Apr 19 23:29:54 <lcuk> not instant messaging person to person
Apr 19 23:29:57 <lcuk> but machine to machine
Apr 19 23:30:08 <lcuk> individual pieces of my house net
Apr 19 23:30:46 <crashanddie_> lcuk: couldn't you implement a subscriber design pattern?
Apr 19 23:30:54 <lcuk> is it reasonable to have instant messaging accounts for "home-bedroom-wall"
Apr 19 23:30:56 <crashanddie_> or maybe you don't want to?
Apr 19 23:31:03 <lcuk> and "gary-n00"
Apr 19 23:31:05 <Robot101> ehhh
Apr 19 23:31:09 <crashanddie_> lcuk: eventually that's where we're heading to
Apr 19 23:31:22 <Robot101> you don't need accounts with a server for salut
Apr 19 23:31:26 <Robot101> it's the link-local one
Apr 19 23:31:33 <lcuk> Robot101, i know that
Apr 19 23:31:45 <Robot101> you can just poke accounts and if it's not there, make a salut account for liqbase@thisbox
Apr 19 23:31:47 <lcuk> but they need accounting for and naming
Apr 19 23:31:50 <crashanddie_> lcuk: though, I imagine it's more likely that such features would be properties of a specific account -- just as now you have a mobile, work and home number for someone, I can't imagine it being that different to have a living room, bedroom or kitchen direct dialing system
Apr 19 23:32:05 <lcuk> Robot101, the table has ~7 handhelds
Apr 19 23:32:08 <lcuk> which one is which
Apr 19 23:32:15 <lcuk> they need accounts and logical names
Apr 19 23:32:30 <lcuk> and if you come to my house
Apr 19 23:32:37 <lcuk> robs-n900 will be on the table too
Apr 19 23:32:54 <crashanddie_> lcuk: as always, give them science fiction names
Apr 19 23:32:57 <Robot101> you can probably find the user's name from somewhere too...?
Apr 19 23:33:12 <crashanddie_> lcuk: may I suggest picard, laforge, data, worf...
Apr 19 23:33:15 <Robot101> grub around in some modest settings or something :D
Apr 19 23:33:25 <lcuk> Robot101, an account would be simpler - or rather - alias of my account
Apr 19 23:33:42 <lcuk> "on this machine gary is known as "lcuk-n00"
Apr 19 23:33:45 <Robot101> you can sign in multiple times with telepathy
Apr 19 23:33:48 <Robot101> er, XMPP
Apr 19 23:33:54 <lcuk> lose recognition
Apr 19 23:34:17 <crashanddie_> but only one username/status message makes it to the server -- the last one connected IIRC
Apr 19 23:34:18 <Robot101> but telepathy doesn't distinguish them currently
Apr 19 23:34:30 <Robot101> crashanddie_: that's decided by the client, not the server
Apr 19 23:34:33 <lcuk> no i know thats why i thought they would need accounts each
Apr 19 23:34:59 <Robot101> yeah but... it's just software, we can fix it right :)
Apr 19 23:35:11 <crashanddie_> Robot101: well, not really -- I seem to remember that during the logon phase, the client needs to confirm the name?
Apr 19 23:35:12 <lcuk> indeedy
Apr 19 23:36:16 <lcuk> Robot101, how do we handle currently logged in with work computer and n900
Apr 19 23:36:26 <lcuk> can both be on IM?
Apr 19 23:36:35 <lcuk> at the same time, or is that service specific
Apr 19 23:36:36 <crashanddie_> yes
Apr 19 23:36:37 <crashanddie_> both receive the message
Apr 19 23:36:41 <lcuk> ie msn might allow it
Apr 19 23:36:44 <lcuk> other providers wont
Apr 19 23:36:53 <crashanddie_> ah, don't konw
Apr 19 23:36:59 <crashanddie_> I've noticed differences per provider though
Apr 19 23:37:15 <crashanddie_> for example, google chat will send the first message of a conversation to all connected clients
Apr 19 23:37:27 <crashanddie_> but will only send subsequent messages to the one that replied
Apr 19 23:37:38 <crashanddie_> skype, on the other hand, echoes messages and responses to all connected clients
Apr 19 23:37:41 * MohammadAG wonders how noobmonk3y got that host cloak
Apr 19 23:37:55 <MohammadAG> it's not a freenode cloak afaik
Apr 19 23:38:11 <crashanddie_> noobit's just a british telecom reverse dns
Apr 19 23:38:20 <crashanddie_> wtf
Apr 19 23:38:34 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG: that's just a british telecom reverse dns
Apr 19 23:38:51 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG: IOW: not a cloak at all
Apr 19 23:39:01 * MohammadAG didn't notice that
Apr 19 23:39:07 <MohammadAG> just read the btcentralplus part
Apr 19 23:39:30 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, who ya calling a noob :P
Apr 19 23:40:56 <MohammadAG> daperl's PoRN
Apr 19 23:41:02 <MohammadAG> daperl's Place of Random Notes
Apr 19 23:41:04 <MohammadAG> lmfao
Apr 19 23:44:48 <Robot101> MohammadAG: you can get cloaks easily on freenode, just register with nickserv and turn it on iirc
Apr 19 23:45:05 <MohammadAG> I am registered
Apr 19 23:45:11 <Robot101> so turn on cloaking
Apr 19 23:45:17 <Robot101> /msg NickServ help
Apr 19 23:45:17 <MohammadAG> I think you have to be an upstanding member of the community
Apr 19 23:45:26 <MohammadAG> I know the commands...
Apr 19 23:45:55 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG: I firmly oppose you receiving a cloak
Apr 19 23:46:08 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, I'm not asking for one, and why's that?
Apr 19 23:46:12 <Robot101> crashanddie_: so with XMPP, what happens is that you sign on and get multiple resources (your JID is user@server/resource)
Apr 19 23:46:15 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG: but in case you ignore my veto, just ask X-Fade, he's the maemo account manager. Just ask him for a cloak.
Apr 19 23:46:27 <Robot101> crashanddie_: each resource has a priority and its own presence & status message
Apr 19 23:46:33 <MohammadAG> No, I don't deserve a free one
Apr 19 23:46:53 <Robot101> crashanddie_: the server sends incoming messages with no specific resource to all of the resources with the highest priority
Apr 19 23:47:24 <crashanddie_> Robot101: which when idle is all of the connected resources?
Apr 19 23:47:31 <crashanddie_> Robot101: and then when resource x replies, its priority is topped up
Apr 19 23:47:45 <Robot101> crashanddie_: not quite. by default, Telepathy (and Google Talk) sets no priority, so it is 0, so the initial message goes to all of your resources. if you /reply/, a well-behaving client should reply to the resource that replied to it.
Apr 19 23:48:01 <Robot101> (and if that resource later disconnects, it's equivalent to sending with no resource)
Apr 19 23:48:07 <crashanddie_> k k
Apr 19 23:48:18 <lcuk> MohammadAG, speak with x-fade on monday
Apr 19 23:48:28 <frals> needs 500 karma
Apr 19 23:48:37 <MohammadAG> lcuk, again, I don't deserve one
Apr 19 23:48:47 <lcuk> why not?
Apr 19 23:48:58 <lcuk> you are active and helpful and communicative and engaged in here
Apr 19 23:49:00 <MohammadAG> idk, haven't done enough to deserve one imho
Apr 19 23:49:03 <crashanddie_> X-Fade: Hey buddy, can you give a maemo/contributor/ to MohammadAG? Thanks
Apr 19 23:49:09 <lcuk> +1
Apr 19 23:49:09 <MohammadAG> LOL
Apr 19 23:49:18 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, disregard that one lol
Apr 19 23:49:29 <lcuk> disregard his disregard
Apr 19 23:49:38 <Robot101> BELAY THAT ORDER!!!
Apr 19 23:49:39 <crashanddie_> +1
Apr 19 23:49:43 <lcuk> force one upon him if you can :D
Apr 19 23:49:44 <MohammadAG> disregard him asking you disregard my disregard
Apr 19 23:49:45 <lcuk> lol
Apr 19 23:49:52 <MohammadAG> +to*
Apr 19 23:49:54 <crashanddie_> Robot101: STAND DOWN OFFICER
Apr 19 23:50:11 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG: actually, even without the to, that was grammatically correct
Apr 19 23:50:37 <MohammadAG> lol didn't think about it
Apr 19 23:50:42 <MohammadAG> it sounds better with to ;)
Apr 19 23:51:16 * MohammadAG wonders if lcuk is typing a long disregard chain :)
Apr 19 23:51:28 <MohammadAG> nah but seriously, I haven't done enough for the community :)
Apr 19 23:51:38 <crashanddie_> you're active in here mate, and aren't a falling star
Apr 19 23:51:46 <lcuk> no im looking for which enterprise captain uses "BELAY THAT ORDER" most so i can photoshop Robot101 onto it
Apr 19 23:51:58 <MohammadAG> LMAO
Apr 19 23:52:00 <SpeedEvil> Picard I'd say
Apr 19 23:52:00 <crashanddie_> lcuk: picard
Apr 19 23:53:02 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, well, I think others deserve it more than I do
Apr 19 23:53:11 <crashanddie_> dude, it's a free bloody thing
Apr 19 23:53:16 <crashanddie_> there's no merit attached to it
Apr 19 23:53:19 <toresbe> Yes, we have a very limited supply of cloaks
Apr 19 23:53:23 <crashanddie_> it's a bloody cloak
Apr 19 23:53:29 <toresbe> they are made individually by natives skilled in their craft
Apr 19 23:53:34 <lcuk> those damned klingons stole them all
Apr 19 23:53:38 <MohammadAG> toresbe, thought so :P
Apr 19 23:53:51 <crashanddie_> come to think of it
Apr 19 23:53:51 <crashanddie_> we're running out of lines
Apr 19 23:53:53 <lcuk> MohammadAG, please have mine
Apr 19 23:54:04 <crashanddie_> I'm taking one for the team guys
Apr 19 23:54:10 <MohammadAG> o.O
Apr 19 23:54:11 <crashanddie_> or our channel is going to run out of allowed content
Apr 19 23:54:29 <toresbe> crashanddie_: You could win a lot by
Apr 19 23:54:33 <toresbe> crashanddie_: using only one line per
Apr 19 23:54:37 <toresbe> crashanddie_: sentence ;)
Apr 19 23:54:52 <toresbe> crashanddie_: this isn't MSN
Apr 19 23:54:56 <toresbe> crashanddie_: enter is not punctuation
Apr 19 23:55:42 <lcukn900> ive never had a cloak on this account
Apr 19 23:55:55 <lcuk> and so many people pop in uncloaked, giving them something else
Apr 19 23:55:58 <toresbe> Speaking of the cloak, it's way too late
Apr 19 23:56:12 <toresbe> I've got to set my alarm cloak and go to bed. Night.
Apr 19 23:56:17 <lcuk> gnite
Apr 19 23:56:23 <MohammadAG> night toresbe
Apr 19 23:56:29 <crashanddie_> night toresbe
Apr 19 23:57:08 <toresbe> at this point, I realize it might be a good idea to turn _off_ the audible hilight notification
Apr 19 23:57:14 <lcuk> :D
Apr 19 23:57:21 <lcuk> and its about time i vanished as well
Apr 19 23:57:30 <lcuk> \o gnite everyone
Apr 19 23:57:37 <MohammadAG> Night lcuk :)
Apr 19 23:57:50 <crashanddie_> night guv
Apr 20 00:00:21 <MohammadAG> is it me or do these batteries look fake http://www.flickr.com/photos/c2x/4536448940/
Apr 20 00:05:52 <dima202> I can't figure out how to get http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ into n900 repositories. I am editing /etc/init.d/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list. I'm not sure if this is correct deb http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ fremantle free non-free should work no?
Apr 20 00:06:49 <MohammadAG> dima202, that's the SDK repository (and no)
Apr 20 00:07:21 <MohammadAG> why are you adding the SDK repo?
Apr 20 00:08:26 <dima202> there are some tools there that i need
Apr 20 00:08:56 <crashanddie_> dima202: do you read what you write, sometimes?
Apr 20 00:09:02 <crashanddie_> dima202: first of all, SDK will most probably break your device
Apr 20 00:09:13 <crashanddie_> dima202: secondly, /etc/init.d/sources.list.d?
Apr 20 00:09:14 <crashanddie_> INIT.D?
Apr 20 00:09:19 <dima202> I understand the risk
Apr 20 00:09:47 <MohammadAG> dima202, as crashanddie_ said, it's not init.d it's etc
Apr 20 00:09:50 <MohammadAG> apt*
Apr 20 00:09:51 <dima202> i mean /etc/apt/sources.list.d
Apr 20 00:09:57 <MohammadAG> /etc/apt/sources.list.d
Apr 20 00:10:07 <crashanddie_> dima202: that file is managed by the app manager
Apr 20 00:10:22 <marmoute> God, The maemo email client sux so much... don't even display attachement...
Apr 20 00:10:23 <crashanddie_> dima202: the ones you want to add manually should go in /etc/apt/sources.list
Apr 20 00:10:25 <dima202> yeah but app manager is a bit slow so I am editing it manually
Apr 20 00:10:47 <dima202> oh ok
Apr 20 00:11:01 <MohammadAG> You will break your device deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free
Apr 20 00:11:11 <MohammadAG> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free for the tools
Apr 20 00:13:27 <crashanddie_> dima202: Hast thy flasher readyeth, for thee will requireth its admonishment soon! Muwhahahahahaha
Apr 20 00:14:09 <dima202> hmm
Apr 20 00:14:12 <crashanddie_> it's amazing how well the <evil laugh> works with old english :P
Apr 20 00:14:20 <dima202> lol
Apr 20 00:14:44 <crashanddie_> You reckon 500 years ago, everyone used that laugh?
Apr 20 00:16:59 <crashanddie_> "What can I provide thee, my master?" "I shall require twices breades, and noint eggs, for I need breaking the feast to my family! Mhuwhahahahahahaha" <-- another sunday morning at the Nottingham bakery?
Apr 20 00:17:59 <dima202> it keeps ading crap like /binary-armel/Packages
Apr 20 00:18:23 <crashanddie_> that's not crap dear, that's the contents of the repo
Apr 20 00:18:36 <crashanddie_> yo sp3000
Apr 20 00:18:41 <dima202> i see the contents, and it's not there
Apr 20 00:18:44 <crashanddie_> s/sp3000/SpeedEvil/
Apr 20 00:18:44 <infobot> crashanddie_ meant: yo SpeedEvil
Apr 20 00:18:57 * sp3000 unperks
Apr 20 00:19:02 <dima202> and because it's adding this i am getting 404s
Apr 20 00:19:18 <crashanddie_> sp3000: sorry bru, got tab-pwned
Apr 20 00:19:43 <crashanddie_> dima202: which part of "This will break your device" did you not fathom?
Apr 20 00:20:02 <dima202> Then let it break it, I want to get that repository on the device
Apr 20 00:20:24 <crashanddie_> then stop f'ing complaining that it doesn't work?
Apr 20 00:20:33 <Macer> ugh
Apr 20 00:20:45 <Macer> have to wait on this n900 to get here
Apr 20 00:20:46 <dima202> I just can't figure this thing out :(
Apr 20 00:21:01 <Macer> it says friday
Apr 20 00:21:06 <Macer> blah
Apr 20 00:21:11 <crashanddie_> dima202: it's broken -- it's usually easier to pull the debs from debian and install directly on the device
Apr 20 00:21:32 <Macer> hope maemo5 is maemo4 made better heh
Apr 20 00:21:36 <crashanddie_> dima202: there's a few scripts that allow you to pull dependencies and sources directly from the debian repos, and compile in one go
Apr 20 00:21:49 <crashanddie_> Macer: oh it's different alright.
Apr 20 00:22:10 <crashanddie_> dima202: what tools do you need?
Apr 20 00:22:20 <dima202> crashanddie_: yeah, looks like i'll have to do it by hand because maemo keeps screwing me up
Apr 20 00:22:58 <dima202> crashanddie_: all i wanted was screen
Apr 20 00:23:11 <Macer> crashanddie_: different doesnt always mean better ;)
Apr 20 00:23:29 <crashanddie_> Macer: I never said it was
Apr 20 00:23:37 <Macer> it does record h264 video ?
Apr 20 00:23:47 <Macer> like n95 quality?
Apr 20 00:24:13 <Macer> n95 did awesome video
Apr 20 00:28:47 <dima202> it didnt go. It's hard for me to install screen. I'm going to have to dig a lot deeper into this rabbit hole
Apr 20 00:30:46 <pupnik> don't let the aspca find out
Apr 20 00:43:16 <crashanddie_> Macer: don't think it's h264
Apr 20 00:51:39 <crashanddie_> "Worldwide, industry losses for passenger airlines and cargo companies could reach as much as $3 billion from the cloud, Helane Becker, an analyst with Jesup & Lamont Securities, told Reuters Insider on Monday. For U.S. airlines, she estimated the impact at $400 million to $600 million."
Apr 20 00:52:00 <crashanddie_> I guess that "The Cloud" isn't as good for the world as we first thought... Time to find a new buzzword
Apr 20 00:55:13 <pupnik> the impact isnt from the ash cloud
Apr 20 00:55:30 <pupnik> it is from the idiot government bureaucracies
Apr 20 00:55:42 <pupnik> you see how everyone is misled...
Apr 20 00:58:27 <crashanddie_> pupnik: your conspiracy theories are getting old
Apr 20 00:58:40 <crashanddie_> well, not your theories, your default statement that everything is a conspiracy
Apr 20 00:58:51 <crashanddie_> I mean seriously, get a girlfriend, go out to the pub and chill
Apr 20 01:02:31 <pupnik> you have 1) a natural event plus 2) a nest of government bureaucracies which only _combined_ create a flight ban devastating the economy here
Apr 20 01:02:48 <pupnik> now 1) was not preventable    ...  2) was
Apr 20 01:03:02 <crashanddie_> so you'd rather see people fly to their deaths?
Apr 20 01:03:37 <crashanddie_> pupnik: trust me, seeing how bad the ash is sandpapering the planes, having them not fly at all is a good thing
Apr 20 01:03:45 <crashanddie_> Plus, countries are slowly re-opening their airspace
Apr 20 01:03:56 <pupnik> you con
Apr 20 01:03:59 <pupnik> nm
Apr 20 01:04:15 <crashanddie_> When each incident can cause multiple hundreds of deaths, playing it safe really is the only option -- regardless of money spent
Apr 20 01:05:00 <pupnik> i would prefer to choose my level of risk myself, thank you
Apr 20 01:05:14 <crashanddie_> except you're not risking your own life matey
Apr 20 01:05:32 <pupnik> those externalities are insurable
Apr 20 01:05:33 <crashanddie_> do you have your own plane, and can you fly it yourself? And can you ensure that you will not crash on some poor bloke's house?
Apr 20 01:05:54 <crashanddie_> if not, you have no right to expect anyone to take risks just because you want to go somewhere. Take a bloody boat.
Apr 20 01:06:26 <pupnik> I am not the one advocating force and coercion here.
Apr 20 01:07:02 <crashanddie_> They did test flights, they are doing everything that is safely possible to get people moving again
Apr 20 01:07:36 <pupnik> "they"?
Apr 20 01:07:43 <crashanddie_> european union?
Apr 20 01:07:45 <pupnik> the *companies* did
Apr 20 01:08:28 <crashanddie_> This is what I hate about democracy -- and to a worse extent, the fact that these days, democracy = every fucking idiot can boast their most stupid ideas: if they don't allow people to fly, people complain, and if they allow people to fly, and they crash, people would complain, people would get sacked for negligence.
Apr 20 01:09:15 * MohammadAG remembers when crashanddie_ talked about moderating
Apr 20 01:09:27 <MohammadAG> I see some similarity :P
Apr 20 01:10:07 <crashanddie_> hehe
Apr 20 01:10:22 <crashanddie_> this is why people should vote, and then shut the fuck up
Apr 20 01:10:29 <crashanddie_> if you're unhappy, step up, or step down
Apr 20 01:10:42 <pupnik> the problem here as i see it, is most people being brainwashed with the expectation can or should attempt to make an inherently risky activity safer
Apr 20 01:10:59 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, you have been promoted *plays electronic guitar tone from CoD*
Apr 20 01:11:08 <pupnik> the problem here as i see it, is most people being brainwashed with the expectation that Government can or should attempt to make an inherently risky activity safer
Apr 20 01:11:11 <pupnik> sorry
Apr 20 01:11:41 <crashanddie_> pupnik: agreed, I hate the nanny-state syndrome at least as much as you do
Apr 20 01:11:58 <crashanddie_> pupnik: but it doesn't apply when there is a *real* or *unknown* risk
Apr 20 01:12:39 <pupnik> the airlines wouldnt risk it
Apr 20 01:12:41 <crashanddie_> and in this case, the extent of the risk was very much unknown -- this is even worse than just knowing there is a risk
Apr 20 01:12:43 <solarion> if you compile something with -DFOO=BAR how do you check what value FOO has (#if expression)
Apr 20 01:13:03 <solarion> I'd rather not do -DFOO=<number>
Apr 20 01:13:20 <pupnik> they would send up cargo flights around the edges of the "cloud" and empirically test
Apr 20 01:13:20 <solarion> #if FOO == BAR doesn't seem to really work
Apr 20 01:14:46 <crashanddie_> solarion: #ifdef FOO
Apr 20 01:15:07 <crashanddie_> sorry, misread that, hang on
Apr 20 01:15:42 * MohammadAG is off, night people
Apr 20 01:16:07 <solarion> crashanddie_: np
Apr 20 01:16:18 * solarion holds on
Apr 20 01:16:28 <solarion> I suppose internally it's not a huge deal, but sitll
Apr 20 01:18:50 <crashanddie_> solarion: what are you trying to achieve?
Apr 20 01:19:21 <solarion> crashanddie_: I have several LAPACK implementations that could be used, and I need to select apprpriate headers and things
Apr 20 01:19:22 <crashanddie_> solarion: AFAIK, you can't actually check the value of anything else than a scalar value
Apr 20 01:19:50 <solarion> I thought you could, but it seems to be failing
Apr 20 01:21:20 <solarion> It'd be more straightforward if I didn't have to have an implicit number-meaning association
Apr 20 01:22:04 <crashanddie_> "expression is a C expression of integer type [...]. It may contain: Integer constants, Character constants, Arithmetic, Identifiers, Macro calls."
Apr 20 01:22:14 <crashanddie_> solarion: how about simply using different directives?
Apr 20 01:22:30 <solarion> looks like you're right :(
Apr 20 01:22:31 <crashanddie_> solarion: -DFIRST_IMPLEMENTATION or -DSECOND_IMPLEMENTATION
Apr 20 01:22:55 <solarion> I'd rather not have to worry about FIRST_IMPLEMENTATION and SECOND_IMPLEMENTATION are defined
Apr 20 01:23:16 <crashanddie_> seems like it would be the easiest option
Apr 20 01:23:33 <solarion> -DFOO=<num> has the distinct advantage of guaranteeing implicitly that we only have one option selected
Apr 20 01:23:40 <crashanddie_> then in your code simply have #ifdef FIRST_IMPLEMENTATION ... #elif defined SECOND_IMPLEMENTATION
Apr 20 01:23:54 <crashanddie_> so does elif ;)
Apr 20 01:23:56 <solarion> I think I'll go with this for now
Apr 20 01:24:06 <solarion> no, now you have an implicit conflict resolution
Apr 20 01:24:25 <crashanddie_> solarion: #gcc might offer more insightful advice though
Apr 20 01:24:31 <crashanddie_> my gcc skills are seriously limited
Apr 20 01:24:32 <solarion> it's kind of finding the least crappy of crappy options. :)
Apr 20 01:24:38 <solarion> this works for now, thnks
Apr 20 01:41:28 <crashanddie_> GAN900: I whored about MWKN on meego-community, maybe we can get someone to finish my dodgy code
Apr 20 02:02:09 <gsever> hi, are there any bluetooth experts?
Apr 20 02:03:08 <crashanddie_> yup
Apr 20 02:03:28 <crashanddie_> well, there must be, otherwise bluetooth would never have come to existence
Apr 20 02:03:34 <crashanddie_> but here? No idea.
Apr 20 02:03:54 <gsever> I am having problem to establish a bluetooth network between N900-maemo5 and Fedora 12
Apr 20 02:03:57 <gsever> hehe funny :)
Apr 20 02:06:08 <gsever> seems like the right words I am after are Bluetooth-PAN
Apr 20 02:34:30 <chantra> hi all, I am desperately looking into finding the meaning of the last to "byte" fields of
Apr 20 02:34:33 <chantra> dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.get_current_cell_info
Apr 20 02:35:16 <chantra> looks like the one before last is set to 2 in offline mode
Apr 20 02:35:30 <chantra> and back to 0 in normal mode
Apr 20 02:36:07 <chantra> saw it once with value 1, but not sure what it meant :s
Apr 20 02:36:47 <chantra> any hints appreciated :)
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