**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 21 02:59:56 2010 Apr 21 04:41:54 what is the package that includes whereis Apr 21 04:42:13 whois Apr 21 04:42:17 * Apr 21 04:42:36 Apr 21 04:42:48 and tracert Apr 21 04:44:49 traceroute* Apr 21 04:50:31 [21:41] what is the package that includes whereis ... uh, its called whois Apr 21 04:50:42 the package name is called whois* Apr 21 04:51:16 apt-get install whobe Apr 21 04:57:19 whobe? Apr 21 04:57:40 closed irssi by accident. Apr 21 04:58:43 can you repeat that info plesse? Apr 21 04:59:10 (07:50:30 AM) swc|666: [21:41] what is the package that includes whereis ... uh, its called whois (07:50:41 AM) swc|666: the package name is called whois* (07:51:21 AM) swc|666: apt-get install whobe Apr 21 04:59:21 's all I got. Apr 21 04:59:59 ok, thank you. i'll have a look Apr 21 05:00:04 whobe was a joke, sorry Apr 21 05:00:14 LOL Apr 21 05:00:20 :D Apr 21 05:00:29 ah, i thouht as much Apr 21 05:00:44 crazyhorss, what were you really looking for? Apr 21 05:01:07 whois and traceroute Apr 21 05:06:14 and apt-get install traceroute did not work? Apr 21 05:06:53 "School Lunches Deemed A National Security Threat by Retired Military Officers" Apr 21 05:06:54 couldn't find package Apr 21 05:07:48 "The retired officers are saying that school lunches have helped make the nation's young people so fat that fewer of them can meet the military's physical fitness standards, and recruitment is in jeopardy." Apr 21 05:08:52 crazy: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49259 Apr 21 05:09:06 crazy: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/traceroute Apr 21 05:09:22 crazy: (and yes, I simply typed "traceroute maemo5" into google) Apr 21 05:10:02 thanks, me too i didn't find this link Apr 21 05:11:06 fuckn telewell piece of shit! AAarrgh Apr 21 05:13:59 dsl modem? Apr 21 05:22:36 you just solved 8 problems for me with that RST38h Apr 21 05:22:47 with that link* Apr 21 05:23:02 thank you very much Apr 21 06:05:11 this is great, just missing whois though Apr 21 06:58:55 * noobmonk3y screams BACON SANDWICH Apr 21 07:00:40 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout Apr 21 07:00:46 bastard, now i need breakfast Apr 21 07:00:53 Morning :D : D:D Apr 21 07:01:03 lo mate Apr 21 07:01:05 hows you? Apr 21 07:02:31 meh... still in bed, not wanting to wake up or goto work :( Apr 21 07:02:53 :) Apr 21 07:03:31 * d14 in work :S from 8:10am Apr 21 07:04:19 hehe Apr 21 07:04:22 noobmonk3y: i have the best combination. able to work from bed ;) Apr 21 07:04:30 i could be, as work is literally 200metres away :P Apr 21 07:04:38 Stskeeps, so so sooo unfair.... Apr 21 07:04:44 Stskeeps: thats heating Apr 21 07:04:50 +c Apr 21 07:05:08 Stskeeps, it does help that you sleep on servers i suppose ;) Apr 21 07:05:34 * noobmonk3y wonders if X-Fade opened up room in his server bed? hehehe Apr 21 07:05:53 noobmonk3y: no servers, actually zero electronics except for a lamp and mobile charger in my bedroom :P Apr 21 07:05:59 wife wouldn't have it ;) Apr 21 07:06:07 woah :| :| :| freaky!! Apr 21 07:09:22 Meh, finally found something I can easily do :) Apr 21 07:09:26 Write an SMS exporter :) Apr 21 07:10:46 d14: been at work for 9 hours now :( Apr 21 07:10:53 wanna go back to the hotel Apr 21 07:16:43 fuck me Apr 21 07:17:35 no thanks Apr 21 07:17:35 :P Apr 21 07:17:55 flights from Australia to Europe: $17000 Apr 21 07:17:59 (in economy) Apr 21 07:18:07 think everything's a bit insane atm Apr 21 07:18:09 O_o Apr 21 07:18:48 * noobmonk3y blinks Apr 21 07:18:54 frals, made me breakfast yet? :P Apr 21 07:19:34 crashanddie: get some fastfood ;) and go to bed! :) Apr 21 07:19:54 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout Apr 21 07:20:29 ls Apr 21 07:20:37 ERROR: fail user Apr 21 07:20:38 * noobmonk3y eats the trout, regurgitates the trout, re-moulds the trout into a trouty-chicken and then slaps Frals around the face with a Trouty-Chicken......... Tadaaaaaaa Apr 21 07:20:38 :P Apr 21 07:21:26 d14: it's 5:30PM, hardly time for bed xD Apr 21 07:21:40 djeez Apr 21 07:21:40 siesta? :P Apr 21 07:21:54 and say that I was pissed because I paid 1000 pounds to fly back Apr 21 07:22:05 let's just hope my flight won't be canceled Apr 21 07:22:20 the missus's mum is trapped in New zealand :P Apr 21 07:23:29 well isnt all of uks airspace open now? Apr 21 07:28:02 frals, think so, but stil delays getting everyone back to their homes i assume Apr 21 07:28:11 shit......... gtg to work :( Apr 21 07:28:14 see ya'll laters Apr 21 07:28:17 ciao Apr 21 07:28:29 * noobmonk3y gets outta bed n rolls down the hill Apr 21 07:31:38 ah, the 'smoku' guy is in warsaw ('say no! to a qt-based maemo') guy Apr 21 07:31:50 i wonder if i should arrange a meetup and see if vodka can get him on better thoughts Apr 21 07:32:35 Stskeeps, but the world needs opinions Apr 21 07:32:40 yes hello Apr 21 07:32:55 tekojo: true Apr 21 07:33:32 Oh, morning all :) Apr 21 07:33:37 "In the beginning I was not able to use it because I am not a tech user. With your latest releases this has changed. I was finally able to send and receive MMS problem-free on my N900 without lots of difficult settings." Apr 21 07:33:41 VICTORY! Apr 21 07:34:28 frals, I'll let my wife try it now :) Apr 21 07:34:32 frals: sounds exactly like one of those make-me-slim ads Apr 21 07:34:43 crashanddie: :D Apr 21 07:34:46 ooh...MMS...I think in my lifetime I've sent two or three. are those actually popular somewhere? Apr 21 07:35:12 the 130k downloads of fMMS leads me to believe there are a few users out there ;) Apr 21 07:35:22 frals: "In the beginning I was not able to lose weight because I am not into sports. With your latest product this has changed. I was finally able to lose weight and maintain my current weight without lots of difficult exercises." Apr 21 07:35:37 tekojo: let me know how it goes :) Apr 21 07:35:43 Thank you fMMS! Apr 21 07:35:49 rofl crashanddie Apr 21 07:35:51 frals: well, I use it Apr 21 07:35:51 You guys are making the world a better place - hope it feels good :) Apr 21 07:36:09 anyway, going back to the hotel, talk in a bit Apr 21 07:38:41 korhojoa: :) Apr 21 07:40:56 morning Apr 21 07:52:49 hello Apr 21 07:53:26 hello kmfdm Apr 21 07:58:27 btw, is it possible to use maep with a predownloaded version of the openstreetmaps to save traffic and speed up loading? Apr 21 08:22:21 sp3000: ping Apr 21 08:22:35 i've been asked to give a list of improvements in the browser between 1.1 and 1.2 :) Apr 21 08:27:33 timeless_mbp: 1.2 does not exists Apr 21 08:29:59 of course it does Apr 21 08:30:10 but only for testing purposes Apr 21 08:30:26 ..for now.. Apr 21 08:33:10 hrw: 1.2 images exist Apr 21 08:33:20 what will actually ship to customers may or may not exist Apr 21 08:33:36 depending on whether management decides that what exists today is acceptable Apr 21 08:33:48 timeless_mbp: as a user I can say that I do not believe in pr1.2 existance Apr 21 08:34:05 but for the purposes of the request i received, 1.2 exists sufficiently for me or sp3000 to be able to satisfy it Apr 21 08:34:13 hrw: you're welcome to do so Apr 21 08:34:15 timeless_mbp: but 12 November may change it Apr 21 08:34:47 ? Apr 21 08:35:01 timeless_mbp: thats my guess for PR1.2 release Apr 21 08:35:18 :) Apr 21 08:35:55 and to follow nokia release dates rules I do not tell a year Apr 21 08:36:12 s/tell/indicate/ Apr 21 08:36:23 ok Apr 21 08:37:45 timeless_mbp, who requested changelog, can changelog be shown before release? :-) Apr 21 08:37:56 timeless_mbp: and to tell the true I doubt is it worth waiting for it. whenever it will be released it will be 2-4 months old already Apr 21 08:38:04 ShadowJK: changelog is in wiki Apr 21 08:38:06 ShadowJK: a documentation team Apr 21 08:38:22 and since all they want is feature highlights, yes, we can give it to them in advance Apr 21 08:38:42 hrw: do you have a link? Apr 21 08:39:14 hrw, considering my N900 is perfectly usable as it is, with even older software, I doubt the age makes much difference :) Apr 21 08:39:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 Apr 21 08:39:35 thanks Apr 21 08:39:55 ShadowJK: in 2021 maemo^wmeego calendar will gain all features of palmos 2.0 datebook Apr 21 08:40:36 * timeless_mbp ponders Apr 21 08:40:41 I just wish sync with google based contacts/calendar worked better. ;/ Apr 21 08:40:56 * ShadowJK wonders if the current Calendar fulfills the spec for it ;D Apr 21 08:40:57 hrw: actually the wiki does have things which are relevant. e.g. webcal: Apr 21 08:41:01 maybe i should work from that list Apr 21 08:41:39 ShadowJK: my opinion about maemo5 calendar is not something to publish - too much curses, too small amount of other words Apr 21 08:42:19 … i think the serif font stuff is probably notable Apr 21 08:42:28 Luckily the only defect I've discovered, autolaunch at 4am, seems to be fixed :) Apr 21 08:42:36 but it is better then my opinion on developers which wrote it anyway Apr 21 09:06:53 mornin' Apr 21 09:07:53 anyone here used the google latitude program? Apr 21 09:08:21 mine just declares it updates but my location won't update on google Apr 21 09:20:31 |o noobmonk3y Apr 21 09:20:37 * noobmonk3y blinks Apr 21 09:20:57 * MohammadAG lowers noobmonk3y_Work's salary Apr 21 09:24:58 btw - which version of palmos emulator works with n900? Apr 21 09:29:01 * lcuk raises noobmonk3y_Work's salary - you now get £0.03 a month Apr 21 09:29:35 Does "J" stand for acorns? Apr 21 09:30:57 £ you mean? Apr 21 09:31:09 peanuts are the normal currency Apr 21 09:31:55 * frals slaps noobmonk3y_Work around a bit with a large trout Apr 21 09:33:04 frals, careful he might like that Apr 21 09:33:27 aye is why im doing it ;) Apr 21 09:33:36 heh Apr 21 09:34:11 could it be that the problem with builtin media player is that it does *not* cache input stream and thus *any* io delays cause it to jerk imeediately? If yes it should be quite easy to fix.. Apr 21 09:34:46 heh, if you see "J", you obviously are using the wrong font, or are missing unicode Apr 21 09:34:57 battery.voltage.current = 3531 (0xdcb) (int) Apr 21 09:34:59 £ is not unicode Apr 21 09:35:04 * MohammadAG waves hand Apr 21 09:35:08 it shouldnt be Apr 21 09:35:13 but i cant type it ;) Apr 21 09:35:17 £ is not below 127. Apr 21 09:35:33 umm Apr 21 09:35:38 doesn't voltage go down? Apr 21 09:35:44 battery.voltage.current = 3584 (0xe00) (int) Apr 21 09:36:00 MohammadAG: voltage fluctuates Apr 21 09:36:08 oh Apr 21 09:36:12 MohammadAG: depending on how much current is being pulled, etc Apr 21 09:36:25 when does it shut down? Apr 21 09:36:37 http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/6614.htm Apr 21 09:36:55 aparently the russians are to blame... Apr 21 09:37:17 Irssi pisses with it too, these days. Apr 21 09:37:36 wut wut wut Apr 21 09:37:36 FauxFaux: no problems here Apr 21 09:37:42 russians are never to blame, it's our govt Apr 21 09:37:53 thresh: your government is russian? Apr 21 09:38:03 that would make you a russian, thus you are to blame Apr 21 09:38:08 crashanddie: I bet you have "/set recode" on. Apr 21 09:38:22 surely the euro symbol would have a similar issue with cyrillic fonts also ;) Apr 21 09:38:41 FauxFaux: I do indeed Apr 21 09:38:44 the problem is that there are 2 £ symbols Apr 21 09:38:49 depending on encoding Apr 21 09:38:53 or even 3 Apr 21 09:39:16 In FauxFauxencoding17, £ occupies code point 3. Apr 21 09:41:50 just if you haven't seen it ... http://blog.mjg.im/2010/04/16/theora-on-n900.html ... pretty impressive results with Theora on N900 Apr 21 09:41:56 seems there is a unicode GBP symbol also Apr 21 09:42:29 £ Apr 21 09:42:53 dazo: fake results Apr 21 09:43:06 dazo: they locked the CPU at 600Mhz; the whole thing is borked. Apr 21 09:43:21 dazo: so his "80% idle" claim can go away right awat Apr 21 09:43:22 away Apr 21 09:44:48 crashanddie: true ... but my point is that compared to the oter decoders/methods ... it really shows a good improvement ... "80% idle" is really debatable, but getting proper offloading to DSP and GPU can give good results Apr 21 09:45:06 dazo: maybe Apr 21 09:45:13 dazo: and anyone who understands what a DSP is knows that Apr 21 09:45:35 dazo: sometimes offloading a task to the dsp is not worth it if you have to keep the dsp awake, and the cpu has to be up anyway Apr 21 09:45:36 why 80% idle, and the fps is lower? Apr 21 09:45:52 video is probably not in that class generally Apr 21 09:47:44 auenf: because the DSP is doing all the hard work Apr 21 09:47:55 auenf: however the DSP has a limited bandwidth Apr 21 09:48:15 so surely its not viable using that method if you're going to lose fps? Apr 21 09:48:38 auenf: umm - video is fixed fps Apr 21 09:48:43 altho its still above the 24 or 25fps needed for most videos Apr 21 09:48:44 It is actually pretty funny the audio part is the most expensive part. Apr 21 09:48:53 auenf: you don't usually want to play it back at 150fps just because you can Apr 21 09:48:55 just those ntsc ones are going to be dropping frames Apr 21 09:50:15 ntsc is usually presented as deinterlaced 30hz Apr 21 09:50:29 * Arkenoi definitely needs a solution to make media playback reliable regardless of what is going on in background Apr 21 09:50:47 well, 29.97fps interlaced Apr 21 09:51:02 if its progressive (film) source, it will be 24fps easy Apr 21 09:51:55 playing back interlaced on a lcd is pointless Apr 21 09:52:26 thats what on the fly deinterlace is for Apr 21 09:55:05 * noobmonk3y_Work farts........... hmmmmmmmm smells of trout! Apr 21 09:55:12 :D Apr 21 09:55:13 * noobmonk3y_Work blames frals Apr 21 09:55:59 ~curse battery life Apr 21 09:56:01 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, battery life ! Apr 21 09:58:15 * viliny administers windows xp Apr 21 10:03:36 viliny: any idea then why laptop after fresh xp home instalation takes ages between selecting 'shutdown' in start menu to appear of shutdown options? Apr 21 10:03:39 * frals slaps noobmonk3y_Work with oslab_lowlevel_asm.s Apr 21 10:05:28 hrw: bad GFX drivers causing stalling on the dim effect? Apr 21 10:05:33 i hate old laptops more than anything Apr 21 10:06:24 viliny: Send me all your old laptops! Apr 21 10:06:29 What do you consider old? Apr 21 10:07:08 bad battery, worn surface, slower than a [Analogy missing] and smells funky. Apr 21 10:07:33 And clit mouse/touchpad worn beyond rape Apr 21 10:08:40 Reason is, people tend to bring me their 6 year old laptops that are in horrible shape and expect me to do some magic on them so they can suddenly have a working fast machine again. Most of the stuff is beyond help but i'we installed ubuntu on a few as a faster alternative... Apr 21 10:08:45 ah Apr 21 10:08:46 i just don't plain like them Apr 21 10:09:37 viliny: will check newer catalyst then Apr 21 10:10:12 hrw: i hope you find a solution Apr 21 10:10:32 SpeedEvil: my wife's toshiba l30 has not existing rlt8139 ethernet (forget that linux will work with it), aging atheros wifi (forget cifs/nfs mounts, only sshfs works) Apr 21 10:11:21 * noobmonk3y_Work shudders Apr 21 10:11:47 old laptops fill me with despair Apr 21 10:12:21 especially in these modern times when you can get a device that works 5 times as fast for 400 euros Apr 21 10:12:49 with the added benefit of it not being a greasy lump of slow plastic but a brand spanking new thing you can show off and not be embarassed to carry around Apr 21 10:13:06 * SpeedEvil loves his x60s Apr 21 10:13:20 i holster a Asus G50VT Apr 21 10:13:28 * SpeedEvil has a n900 if I want to wave my thing around in public Apr 21 10:14:12 I have dell d400 with 6% battery Apr 21 10:14:13 SpeedEvil: why the eff does a core duo sport 512 of ram? Apr 21 10:14:29 viliny: ? Apr 21 10:14:38 x60 specs here Apr 21 10:14:44 dunno. Got 2 in mine Apr 21 10:14:54 which it came with Apr 21 10:15:03 (according to the IBM site - I haven't had it from new) Apr 21 10:15:05 says the screen supports 1024x768 Apr 21 10:15:12 yes Apr 21 10:15:21 I would like a higher res screen Apr 21 10:15:30 but on balance Apr 21 10:16:00 1366x768 is what I plan Apr 21 10:16:43 i hate ibm laptops because i can't estimate their age with a quick glance :/ Apr 21 10:17:10 viliny: simple - if it has IBM on it then it is old Apr 21 10:17:13 I actually would much rather have ~1500*1100 - but that model was rare Apr 21 10:17:26 (and yes - I want 4:3 Apr 21 10:17:28 hrw: you mean the lenovo thing or? Apr 21 10:17:33 yep Apr 21 10:17:36 (actually 4:4 - but that's a seperate issue) Apr 21 10:17:59 hrw: well the lenovo thinkpads still seem to look like the +10 year old ibm laptops Apr 21 10:19:10 Some have been cheapened. Apr 21 10:19:38 i like my G50VT - sturdy as hell and still looks modern :) Apr 21 10:19:41 512M of ram and vista, it's the norm ;D Apr 21 10:20:05 http://blog.dk.sg/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/DSC08723.jpg Apr 21 10:20:55 fugly but seems portable Apr 21 10:21:05 whats the battery life on that? Apr 21 10:21:42 honestly - I'm rather shocked that my _really_ old laptop - toshiba portege 3110CT - stacks up quite well in many ways Apr 21 10:22:09 oh? Apr 21 10:22:22 ~10h battery life (with fresh recelled battery), nice keyboard, metal case, 1.05kg Apr 21 10:22:37 SpeedEvil: what is it? :) Apr 21 10:22:39 of course - it diddn't come with wifi, and ... Apr 21 10:22:40 thats not bad at all Apr 21 10:22:47 heh... thats not that good Apr 21 10:23:07 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pc178.com/images/notebook/toshiba/3110ct/toshiba3110ct001.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pc178.com/notebook/toshiba/toshiba3110ct.htm&h=333&w=500&sz=21&tbnid=sa0XzSVjdtP00M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtoshiba%2Bportege%2B3110ct&usg=__tOta5cXP3_hTj9MNxDWgelsuveQ=&ei=-dHOS7SdLJLw0gSovLzpDw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=8&ct=image&ved=0CCcQ9QEwBw Apr 21 10:23:23 no - for a 10 year old device though Apr 21 10:23:36 ah speaking of the portege Apr 21 10:23:43 Talking about the rapid improvement in cameraphone technology during a speech in Helsinki yesterday, Vanjoki said that very soon "there will be no need to carry around those heavy lenses." Apr 21 10:23:51 nice laptop Apr 21 10:23:55 hehe, p2 :) Apr 21 10:24:00 * SpeedEvil stabs Vanjoki. Apr 21 10:24:09 It's not about the fucking megapixels. Apr 21 10:24:14 I think right after these words Anssi should fire himself Apr 21 10:24:29 and hit with a bat ofcourse Apr 21 10:24:31 The '5MP' camera in the n900 is 2MP at best Apr 21 10:24:36 and is shit in low light. Apr 21 10:24:41 i would like to see a phone zoom in on a bird 300 meters away and get a sharp close photo :) just saying Apr 21 10:24:49 I'd disagree Apr 21 10:24:52 that is a niche use Apr 21 10:25:09 hmm not really Apr 21 10:25:20 there are plenty of everyday uses where a not-completely-shit point and shoot camera vastly outclasses the n900 Apr 21 10:25:26 i was surprised with the quality of the n900 camera, any chance software could still redeem this mush generator? Apr 21 10:25:35 SpeedEvil: like, zooming? Apr 21 10:26:17 i was surprised how good the camera was Apr 21 10:26:27 seriously though, the n900 camera is pretty nice in decent light Apr 21 10:26:40 snow caused a bit of purple fringing, but nothing I wouldn't forgive a phone Apr 21 10:26:41 camera is sweet indeed Apr 21 10:26:46 its surprisede a lot of people Apr 21 10:26:53 Wolfie: yes - even a 3* optical zoom Apr 21 10:26:55 no it's not sweet, it's very bad right now - will software fix that? Apr 21 10:27:01 And calling it a 5MP is a flat lie Apr 21 10:27:18 it actually works under normal room lighting conditions, which can't be said of all cameras Apr 21 10:28:05 35 pages of people posting their favorite pictures Apr 21 10:28:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38660 Apr 21 10:28:10 SpeedEvil: the original in Finnish was probably 'were releasing the N8-00 camera flagship soon' and then passed the thing through google translate Apr 21 10:28:10 read the comments :) Apr 21 10:28:10 yeah i had a trust discount camera 10 years ago that struggled in indoor lightning but i hardly use that as a standard for modern cameras :/ Apr 21 10:28:15 viliny, ^ Apr 21 10:28:26 lcuk: which comments? Apr 21 10:28:31 ah sorry, yes will do Apr 21 10:28:49 lcuk: http://thecrayonbox.org/files/pictures/20091219_005.jpg Apr 21 10:28:52 it is nice everyone has an opinion. one fact is: the camera on n900 is better than the camera on n810. :) Apr 21 10:28:52 viliny: my wife's not-all-too-old ixus can't take a sharp picture inside without flash Apr 21 10:29:00 lcuk: this can be good only for web thumbnail Apr 21 10:29:02 Wolfie: yes - it's good for a phone cam Apr 21 10:29:34 viliny modern cameras the size of a QUARTER Apr 21 10:31:17 lcuk: those are some seriously nice pictures - doesn't reflect my experiences so far though... will have to try it some more :) still getting through all the other stuff you can do on the n900 :] Apr 21 10:31:44 almost nobody shows their pictures fullsized Apr 21 10:31:51 viliny, do you have any examples of how its gone wrong Apr 21 10:31:53 cause they look noisy and stuff Apr 21 10:32:21 The optical res is 2mp or so Apr 21 10:32:25 wazd almost nobody shows pictures fullsized anywhere Apr 21 10:32:29 lcuk: yes, i have a bunch of bad quality photos - have you not experienced this at all? Apr 21 10:32:29 more is a lie Apr 21 10:32:36 lcuk: you're very wrong Apr 21 10:32:53 viliny, on the day i got a usable outside capable n900 i took some shots inside a dark club Apr 21 10:33:22 and i was genuinely surprised - sure its not photophile quality but ive never had a phone camera that worked as well ever Apr 21 10:33:33 I mean, my D70 is 6MPix and n900 is 5, - don't think you'd like to complare the quality even with shitty kit lenses Apr 21 10:33:47 lcuk: i had a n95 before and that thing did better pictures imho Apr 21 10:33:50 your d70 is a dedicated camera Apr 21 10:33:57 does it make calls as well as the n900? Apr 21 10:34:00 I get perfectly good outdoor photos with my device, it's only in indoor situations they get noticeably grainy Apr 21 10:34:35 lcuk: no, but it takes photos, not thumbnails :) Apr 21 10:34:56 lcuk: that can be printed on a larger-than-a-post-card format :) Apr 21 10:35:27 comparing to a large cam is bullshit. Apr 21 10:35:46 but so is saying 'nobody needs a large cam' is also Apr 21 10:35:50 and if you're seeing that beauty http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8412&d=1269575937 without having proper cam - you're a loser :) Apr 21 10:37:07 http://img13.imageshack.us/i/officeview1.jpg/ - this is actually nice, but still too noisy for daylight conditions Apr 21 10:37:43 wazd is that space pic taken with n900? Apr 21 10:37:48 if so, how was gps locking? Apr 21 10:37:54 lcuk: I guess so Apr 21 10:38:29 lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=582609&postcount=311 Apr 21 10:39:29 that's a great shot of surfers Apr 21 10:41:13 anyone else has camera not takw pics as it wanted gps lock? Apr 21 10:41:30 no Apr 21 10:41:39 NOpe Apr 21 10:42:45 oddly I was gps logging with recordr widget at the time Apr 21 10:46:23 wazd i guess the experience of the camera is down to perspective and expectations Apr 21 10:49:54 I am fairly happy with the picture quality in normal lighting... Apr 21 10:50:17 And the video recording seemed pretty smooth at a decent resolution, although I would've expected the ability to re-focus... Apr 21 10:51:17 Talking about Vanjoki saying DSLRs will be unnecessary? :) Apr 21 10:51:31 And the 50Mpix thing? :) Apr 21 10:52:01 dslr's aren't about pixel density but rather sensor size Apr 21 10:52:56 asj, yeah its also the reason why hubble manages to pull off amazing photos yet is only 1mpix Apr 21 10:53:53 I came to think about why it would make a difference if you had a 50Mpix sensor in a mobile phone, and came to the conclusion that you'd have to have some serious image processing. If you take that 50MPix of raw data and create an 8MPix image out of it, you might actually be able to take a huge leap in the picture quality. Apr 21 10:54:18 lcuk: well, light gathering kinda helps there :) Apr 21 10:54:21 yes but then noise in the individual pels would be the problem Apr 21 10:54:37 who knows, maybe at some point in the future we get rid of huge objectives Apr 21 10:54:41 But if you get 50MPix JPEGs out of the camera then it's totally pointless. Apr 21 10:54:45 i don't think anyone loves the size of them :) Apr 21 10:54:53 Surfa: Let's hope so. Apr 21 10:55:06 that's pretty much we can do at this point :) Apr 21 10:58:55 *Sigh* just got a picture which is totally green, haha... Apr 21 10:59:26 I do see not needing consumer compact cameras in the future. But DSLRs... I'm sceptical :) Apr 21 10:59:28 camera power! Apr 21 10:59:33 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/ Apr 21 10:59:50 MiXu-, I agree... Apr 21 11:00:05 I don't see myself attaching a telephoto lense to my N1200 Apr 21 11:00:32 meh - 3 repo's giving me odd errors today :| Apr 21 11:01:17 just port sunbird to it Apr 21 11:01:32 Let's hope this is one of those moments that Vanjoki can remember in 5-10 years and say "They all thought I was crazy, but we showed them" =) Apr 21 11:05:14 MiXu-: you described supersampling and filtering Apr 21 11:05:52 it can reduce some forms of noise Apr 21 11:10:37 noobmonk3y_Work: its because you are odd, its communicating on your terms! Apr 21 11:16:13 anybody double boot maemo and meego on N900? Apr 21 11:17:51 frals - very true! Apr 21 11:22:15 smhar: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM#Installing_MeeGo_on_N900 Apr 21 11:23:00 MiXu-: there are serious technical problems. Apr 21 11:24:03 MiXu-: For example. A theoretically noiseless sensor of the dimensions of the n900 sensor would still only have a resolution of ~2mp - due to the size of the lens. Apr 21 11:24:39 MiXu-: you can't easily increase the size of the lens without making the camera thicker, and hence the phone, or making it more awkward to mount Apr 21 11:27:03 To get a 'real' 8mp image say - you need at least 8mm lens diameter. This means that you need the optical centre of the lens to be 8mm away from your image sensor to get a 60 degree field of view. This probably means a total optical package of ~11mm or so thickness. then you need a protective glass on top of that, and a PCB and case under it. Apr 21 11:27:15 (though you may be able to remove the PCB through trickery) Apr 21 11:27:30 I see :) Apr 21 11:27:43 (neglecting optical interferometry, which I'd be surprised to see come into play in my lifetime) Apr 21 11:27:56 I was just saying that they _must_ have some solution in mind to make such bold claims. :) Apr 21 11:28:46 sure. Apr 21 11:28:52 i wouldn't want to be the guy who is on the receiving end of the guy saying 'yes, i just made a claim in public - now make it happen' Apr 21 11:29:05 You can get not-too-shabby improvements in dark performance by various means Apr 21 11:29:35 I wouldn't either :D Apr 21 11:29:50 and you can probably double the lens size on the n900 camera without impacting the design by doing stuff that would not affect the n900 size. Apr 21 11:30:17 (put a hole in the PCB, place the cam flush with the other edge, rework the shutter to be a bit thinner) Apr 21 11:30:38 N900 is 18mm thick. If it was designed a bit differently, I bet you could fit the camera you described in there. Apr 21 11:30:54 * MohammadAG drills a hole in the back cover and assembles a 50mW laser Apr 21 11:30:57 You can also cheat Apr 21 11:31:03 Folded optical paths Apr 21 11:31:26 MohammadAG: bah, 50mW are lame XP Apr 21 11:31:27 Imagine say - the camera lens was where the speaker grill was. Apr 21 11:31:34 it can now be (comparatively) huge Apr 21 11:31:48 * MohammadAG takes it out and puts a 50MW laser Apr 21 11:31:51 nah, thats where the pico projector needs to be Apr 21 11:31:57 :) Apr 21 11:31:59 Remember N93? :) Apr 21 11:32:00 * DocScrutinizer starts shooting holes into platic bags with his 150mW green laser Apr 21 11:32:04 MiXu-, ;/ Apr 21 11:32:12 nid0: camera on one side, projector on the other = invisible n900! Apr 21 11:32:14 DocScrutinizer, I really want a laser lol Apr 21 11:32:19 SpeedEvil: lol Apr 21 11:32:39 SpeedEvil, or lcd on one side, cam one the other, and it becomes cloaked Apr 21 11:33:00 how did we ever manage to put holes on plastic bags before consumer level hobby lasers :P Apr 21 11:33:17 MohammadAG: That sounds familiar. Isn't N900 like that? ;) Apr 21 11:33:49 could you switch out the IR led for a laser on the n900 Apr 21 11:33:50 MohammadAG: blame OM for not building my GTA04 concept - laser included ;-P Apr 21 11:34:11 lcuk: that would be cool :) Apr 21 11:35:05 tho putting a water tank and a bonsai shark inside the frame would be a bit tough Apr 21 11:35:15 oh - neat Apr 21 11:35:21 xkcd - thunderdome Apr 21 11:35:48 speaking of xkcd + lazorz Apr 21 11:35:51 http://www.xkcd.com/729/ Apr 21 11:36:20 SpeedEvil, magic smoke vail is class Apr 21 11:36:35 lcuk: I love the movie reference. Apr 21 11:36:41 (in the middle) Apr 21 11:37:29 kitteh dreams http://xckd.com/729/ Apr 21 11:39:46 so 5mw is the most you can use without a license in the us eh? Apr 21 11:40:05 im not a laser hobbyist and i know nothing about them Apr 21 11:40:08 wot? Thunderdome? Where? How? Apr 21 11:41:24 mece: do you know what a diode does? Apr 21 11:42:45 yes. Apr 21 11:42:54 aaahaha! Apr 21 11:42:55 awesome! Apr 21 11:43:32 Missed it. I thought of gladiators, since it's an amphitheatre. Apr 21 11:44:03 i completely lost the thread here Apr 21 11:44:19 shark tanks, lasers, diodes and gladiators Apr 21 11:45:12 diodes and gladiators, along with magic smoke, refer to http://www.xkcd.com/730/ Apr 21 11:48:29 viliny, think diodes and what these people are saying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk Apr 21 11:48:32 :D Apr 21 11:50:42 * MohammadAG thought it was too quiet to be #maemo Apr 21 11:50:59 turns out my N900 switched connections Apr 21 11:51:15 * noobmonk3y_Work w00000t's! - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=620886 Apr 21 11:52:21 * MohammadAG facepalms and downloads the app Apr 21 11:52:50 lcuk: replacing power IR-LED by a laser module is perfectly feasible iirc Apr 21 11:53:09 indeed Apr 21 11:53:09 * noobmonk3y_Work lol's Apr 21 11:53:11 DocScrutinizer, what will the sharks feed on? Apr 21 11:53:24 laser beams? Apr 21 11:53:31 DocScrutinizer: you could rebuild the N900 to make it look and feel like an iphone too.......... *facepalm* Apr 21 11:53:44 the laser unit is situated on sharks head Apr 21 11:53:57 lcuk, attach a mirror Apr 21 11:53:58 since lasers cannot bend we would need to add a vanity mirror addon to feed the sharks Apr 21 11:54:06 noobmonk3y_Work: *me* not Apr 21 11:54:16 lol Apr 21 11:54:53 noobmonk3y_Work, for comments like that you will be banished :p Apr 21 11:55:02 sorry, I thought you'd be honestly interested in long distance IR control Apr 21 11:55:17 lcuk: banished to #meego? lol - is that the new dungeon? ;) Apr 21 11:55:19 noobmonk3y_Work, what's with the woot? Apr 21 11:55:26 noobmonk3y_Work, worse. Apr 21 11:55:27 * noobmonk3y_Work just likes w0000ting Apr 21 11:55:41 I'm going to make the dancing monkey michael jackson look-alike app! Apr 21 11:55:52 * noobmonk3y_Work grins - thats the spirit! Apr 21 11:56:15 oh right.. Apr 21 11:56:23 you misspelled realize. Apr 21 11:56:25 :P Apr 21 11:56:45 doh Apr 21 11:56:49 no you didn't Apr 21 11:56:53 sorry Apr 21 11:57:01 yes you did! Apr 21 11:57:07 ahaa! Apr 21 11:57:17 DocScrutinizer: Do you know if the IR range limit is caused by low power led or a bad lens? Apr 21 11:58:32 X-Fade: I don't think thre's any lens on the aperture. Th eLED looks quite beefy. Probably carrier freq mismatch Apr 21 11:59:00 Yeah, or the lens is actually filtering too much :) Apr 21 11:59:23 that'd be an epic fail Apr 21 11:59:42 Would be good to test without it ;) Apr 21 12:00:00 will do eventually maybe Apr 21 12:00:16 anyone here play sauerbraten? Apr 21 12:00:33 *hungry* Apr 21 12:01:03 is it just me, or is the N900 limited to 1Mbit as a USB modem? Apr 21 12:01:57 that has to be 'just you' Apr 21 12:02:38 when I use speedtest.net I only get 1/1Mbit from the test, while when I am using joikuspot I can achieve 1.5Mbit++ on good days Apr 21 12:02:59 also, when I check the reported speed of the modem, it says "1Mbit".. :\ Apr 21 12:03:32 and what are you expecting? Apr 21 12:03:52 lol my labpartner is awesome Apr 21 12:03:54 about that Apr 21 12:04:25 how fast is your connection? happens it to be 1Mbit? Apr 21 12:04:49 im like "check row 210 where its defined" and he opens up the source code in notepad instead of the IDE we were forced to install to do this assignment Apr 21 12:04:56 "sec just gonna count the rows" Apr 21 12:05:15 like I said I can get 1.5Mbit or so on a good day, but as a USB modem it seems to be capped at 1Mbit Apr 21 12:05:37 yes, and what are you expecting to get? Apr 21 12:05:49 Funnyface: might be a usb1.0 port? :P Apr 21 12:05:52 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697 anyone got a workaround on that bug? Apr 21 12:05:54 Bug 8697: Birthdays of synchronized contacs (from gmail) are incorrect Apr 21 12:06:06 hehe, nah, shouldn't be :P Apr 21 12:06:30 Funnyface: try to avoid having both usb and device internet on at same time Apr 21 12:06:35 i had difficulties with that Apr 21 12:06:39 anyway if I open the task manager in windows, then select the Network tab, it lists the modem as "1Mbit" Apr 21 12:06:50 * DocScrutinizer waves Apr 21 12:10:14 * MohammadAG thinks the menu in Maemo 5 isn't sensible/smart Apr 21 12:10:52 is there a good reason why bluemaemo doesn't use the physical keyboard of the n900, but only the horribly designed on-screen one? Apr 21 12:11:18 ask VDVsx when he joins Apr 21 12:11:28 what? Apr 21 12:11:36 it doesn't? Apr 21 12:11:41 it doesn't Apr 21 12:12:00 and the onscreen one is next to useless Apr 21 12:12:35 I was under the impression that it would use the keyboard Apr 21 12:12:50 I guess that would make too much sense Apr 21 12:12:50 TomaszD: what mode are you using? Apr 21 12:13:14 keyboard mode? This whole app only looks good, but once you try using it... aargh :( Apr 21 12:14:08 it's not useless, it's just not very easy to get used to Apr 21 12:14:59 oh come on, I don't need excuses, try typing a few sentences with it, it's like it was never tested by people who use full stops and commas Apr 21 12:15:28 not to mention no indication of whether its in caps mode, it looks as though it's always caps Apr 21 12:16:16 TomaszD: It is a hobby project, there is a reason why it is not in Extras. Apr 21 12:16:55 X-Fade, I do understand it, but it looks like a lot of effort has gone into making it look good, but not work good Apr 21 12:16:56 TomaszD: have you tried pulling out and usingthe keyboard in mouse mode? Apr 21 12:18:13 no Apr 21 12:20:45 "N900 its like a car before the invention of wheels…" Apr 21 12:20:49 love it Apr 21 12:21:37 haha Apr 21 12:21:42 :-) Apr 21 12:23:03 hrw, are you happy with your purchase of the n900? Apr 21 12:23:24 TomaszD: maybe not happy but I like it Apr 21 12:23:34 hrw, good call. Apr 21 12:23:56 hrw, so you're not happy with a likeable product? Apr 21 12:24:13 'Happy' is too ambiguous a term... Apr 21 12:24:15 what did you have before? Apr 21 12:24:46 happy, content, pleased Apr 21 12:24:59 Well then, I'm not content with it either... Apr 21 12:25:10 easy Apr 21 12:25:11 I am find using it from day to day, it's nice to use. Apr 21 12:25:26 koala_man: pda: palm m105, clie sj30, zaurus sl-5500/c760 + 5600/6000L/3000. phones: ericsson a2618s, alcatel ot501, nokia 6310i, sony ericsson k750i, nokia e66. tablets: nokia 770, nokia n810 Apr 21 12:25:27 do you think that phone is worth paying whatever you have paid for it? Apr 21 12:25:29 TomaszD: what happens if you go into mouse mode and use the physical keyboard Apr 21 12:25:43 there is no phone more expensive than the n900 so switching to another one is a piece of cake Apr 21 12:25:49 i think that could be definition of happy in this case? Apr 21 12:25:53 Surfa: I paid 250€ and that was acceptable. would not pay full 600€ price Apr 21 12:25:56 Surfa, I would say yes, but I love open/linux OS'. ;P Apr 21 12:26:01 TomaszD: you're forgetting golden plated n900 ;p Apr 21 12:26:13 zash, not sure yet, I'm trying to boot UNE on the joggler, having problems Apr 21 12:26:25 I would have been ecstatic to replace 14 devices with one Apr 21 12:26:31 hrw, probably no one has paid full 600 :) Apr 21 12:26:35 lolololol Apr 21 12:26:37 maybe first buyers.. Apr 21 12:26:44 Sorry, koala_man, good call. Apr 21 12:27:03 well, n900 is the the first communicator since 1998 that i really like. The first one was good just because the idea was new, but all future implementation sucked until now. Apr 21 12:27:05 Surfa: for me 250€ was ~max acceptable price. Apr 21 12:27:24 Arkenoi: s60 ones had working PIM... Apr 21 12:27:28 hrw, did you get a new one for that price? Apr 21 12:27:30 Arkenoi: n900 lacks Apr 21 12:27:35 ~ddp Apr 21 12:27:36 it has been said that ddp is the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/ but also Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services, also Device Discount Program by Nokia Apr 21 12:27:51 TigerTael: ddp - last part of definition Apr 21 12:27:54 well, i must admit that I preferably wouldn't pay one euro for most of the phones Apr 21 12:28:06 and most of the phones aren't worth 50eur Apr 21 12:28:11 hrw: there are zillion other reasons why s60 sucks. and PIM sucks there as well, it just sucks a bit less. actually the only PIM that did not suck was Agendus on PalmOS Apr 21 12:28:37 or actually there is no phone that I would myself pay more than 50eur Apr 21 12:28:52 Arkenoi: agendus... I would pay 60$ for maemo5 version right after announcement Apr 21 12:28:53 morning ppl Apr 21 12:29:17 hrw: i would as well Apr 21 12:29:18 hrw, aha. Apr 21 12:29:39 Arkenoi: there is maemo5 pim, normal pim and agendus pim Apr 21 12:29:53 in other words: crap, normal, premium Apr 21 12:30:54 s60 was optimized for numeric keypads and small screens, so it sucked on qwerty devices big time, it even lacked keyboard shortcuts from s80 Apr 21 12:31:22 gtalk from the windows pc where at work can connect trought the proxy fine Apr 21 12:31:37 but the gtalk account from my n900 can't Apr 21 12:31:53 S60 sucked no matter how you look at it. Apr 21 12:32:11 I paid >600EUR, incl shipping Apr 21 12:32:35 I think I'll end up paying 480EUR Apr 21 12:32:56 It's a 2 year deal 20e/month Apr 21 12:34:34 * Arkenoi paid $620 Apr 21 12:34:52 i paid 530€ Apr 21 12:35:06 and i later discovered it is a bit too much, there are offers for $500-, dunno if those are for real though Apr 21 12:36:19 TomaszD: so back to your question. n900 nie czyni mnie szczęśliwym ale lubiÄ™ ten telefon mimo jego wad. Apr 21 12:36:49 hrw: english please Apr 21 12:36:59 TomaszD: and this does not stop me from complaining a lot. most of my karma points are because of my complains Apr 21 12:37:16 so complaining makes you more karma, which makes you happy Apr 21 12:37:19 :) Apr 21 12:37:22 i should probably be worried i understood parts of that sentence Apr 21 12:37:30 crashanddie: '< hrw> TomaszD: maybe not happy but I like it' more described in Polish directly Apr 21 12:37:38 TomaszD: I do not care about maemo.org karma Apr 21 12:38:09 TomaszD: I just got n900 discount because of karma - and then I checked what it is at all and how I got enough points Apr 21 12:38:17 he said that the n900 doesn't make him happy, but he likes the phone despite its shortcomings Apr 21 12:38:54 right Apr 21 12:38:59 wiem zo to bil polski Apr 21 12:39:05 lol Apr 21 12:39:19 lool Apr 21 12:39:45 why the laughs? Did I say it wrong? Apr 21 12:39:56 yes... Apr 21 12:40:00 crashanddie: quite good said for non-Polish Apr 21 12:40:05 :) Apr 21 12:40:32 thanks :) Apr 21 12:40:50 :) Apr 21 12:41:02 crashanddie: when you learn? Apr 21 12:41:11 never Apr 21 12:41:18 I just spent a bit of time with polish friends Apr 21 12:41:52 crashanddie: even in .au you can find Polish speaking people Apr 21 12:42:12 :) Apr 21 12:44:04 I don't understand polish Apr 21 12:44:15 And I won't stay here long enough anyway Apr 21 12:46:54 polish taking over and messing up everywhere ;-P Just yesterday saw a TV docu about WW2 where polish pilots ruined radio discipline of RAF Apr 21 12:47:48 DocScrutinizer-8: and raf was fine with it cause without them there would be no raf? Apr 21 12:48:01 yep Apr 21 12:48:35 DocScrutinizer-8: they forgot to mention that polish division 303 shot the most german aircrafts Apr 21 12:48:53 DocScrutinizer-8: and they joined 2 months later Apr 21 12:49:08 no, they mentioned it Apr 21 12:50:52 nah, I'm not sure if you're talking bout polish devision of RAF now... Apr 21 12:56:36 heh... one blog post and one n900 user less Apr 21 12:56:42 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/#comment-28180 Apr 21 12:57:45 Is it possible to use downloaded maps with maep? I searched all around but can't find anything Apr 21 12:58:07 Shapeshifter: when you go to an area it caches it Apr 21 12:58:16 btw - someone know linux calendar app other then evolution, dates, korganizer, gpe calendar, kdepim/pi? Apr 21 12:58:35 well, maemo calendar is acceptable as google calendar client ;-) Apr 21 12:59:24 Arkenoi: *if* you use google calendar Apr 21 12:59:41 i do Apr 21 12:59:58 Stskeeps: well yeah, but isn't it possible to just use a downloaded map? Like, I can download the whole of europe of open streetmaps in like 4gb and then wouldn't need to download any on the fly anymore Apr 21 13:00:07 noone made a tool for it yet Apr 21 13:00:11 but on s60 my "main" calendar was on device and google was in sync just in case as alternative way to access it Apr 21 13:00:22 the situation reversed with n900 Apr 21 13:02:00 Arkenoi: somewhat usable Apr 21 13:02:10 I do use google calendar with atendee Apr 21 13:02:23 and complex repeat pattern Apr 21 13:02:53 all of it is not supported in n900. Apr 21 13:03:26 It shows "Birthday" but do not allow to call corresponding account. Even don't allow to open it Apr 21 13:05:04 welcome in 1995 rmrfchik Apr 21 13:05:20 yeah Apr 21 13:05:26 sad, sad panda Apr 21 13:05:26 palmpilot from 1998 had better calendar Apr 21 13:05:42 with 128KB ram Apr 21 13:05:45 indeed. I remeber by m505/T3... damn, it was brilliant Apr 21 13:06:12 rmrfchik: I was considering buying palmos5 device during last 2 years just for pim Apr 21 13:06:29 garnet vm on n810/n900 is not the same Apr 21 13:06:35 i really did use all those ToDo, Memos, Calendars. Not with modern devices, because they can't handle PIM Apr 21 13:07:19 bunch of separated applications with stupid questions "Open?" "Save?" Apr 21 13:07:24 stock palmOS pim was quite basic Apr 21 13:07:27 hrw, had the palmpilot calendar been open source we might have been able to use it Apr 21 13:07:30 agendus was great Apr 21 13:08:04 Arkenoi: was basic but also easy to use + quick Apr 21 13:08:11 Arkenoi: and agendus used the same DB for calendar, so you can still use it Apr 21 13:08:11 lcuk: do not think so Apr 21 13:08:24 hrw: it was Apr 21 13:08:42 hrw: SDK contains almost all aplications in source, afair Apr 21 13:08:43 hrw: i did not like it at all, nothing exceptional if compared to other PDAs of that time Apr 21 13:09:30 rmrfchik: sure, but palmos structures etc Apr 21 13:10:29 hrw: huh? database structure was open as hell ;) Apr 21 13:10:33 gents, does the XMPP SMS API still work? Apr 21 13:11:09 rmrfchik: I mean - too many changes to make for source - probably faster to write from scratch Apr 21 13:12:18 I wonder, when access-linux will stop to shop Garnet VM emulator? Apr 21 13:12:26 s/shop/ship Apr 21 13:12:54 seems like all their betas just the same software with moved EOL date Apr 21 13:12:57 GAN900: awake? Apr 21 13:13:41 ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US Apr 21 13:15:16 * Stskeeps ponders idly why that +q was set Apr 21 13:15:23 rmrfchik: and no n900 version Apr 21 13:15:40 hrw: I run latest beta on n900. it works Apr 21 13:15:40 Stskeeps: Because Doc is playing. Apr 21 13:16:00 rmrfchik: I do same Apr 21 13:16:10 rmrfchik: but display should be 180° reversed Apr 21 13:16:13 it is sad, that I can't control rotation of garnet Apr 21 13:16:16 lol ;) Apr 21 13:16:26 crazy japs Apr 21 13:16:35 Heya there. Apr 21 13:16:44 Anybody can guide me to a font installation guide for the n900? (: Apr 21 13:17:10 Google'd a lot, but most of them were by replacing the nokia ones. Apr 21 13:17:15 marcusmoller: just copy to /usr/share/fonts or ~/.fonts/ and 'fc-cache -av' Apr 21 13:17:30 hrw: Where do you suggest I'd back it up then? Apr 21 13:17:35 * rmrfchik uses stock fonts + droid Apr 21 13:17:55 marcusmoller: you asked for installation not replacing Apr 21 13:17:56 droid fonts ara avail from packages Apr 21 13:18:22 hrw: Aha. You're right, I didn't read it all ;). Apr 21 13:18:38 hrw: But how would I use them then? Apr 21 13:18:50 thats up to you Apr 21 13:19:03 I instaled only terminus fonts for terminal to make it usable Apr 21 13:19:31 Just learned something neat I didn't know MS Excel would open and save ods format Apr 21 13:20:07 * Arkenoi uses droid sans mono for terminal Apr 21 13:20:56 I wonder, can I change default shell to bash in /etc/passwd for user? Apr 21 13:21:04 I have Apr 21 13:21:22 rmrfchik: yes Apr 21 13:21:34 rmrfchik: 'root' then 'chsh user' - more safe Apr 21 13:21:46 but you might encounter problems on boot Apr 21 13:22:01 who here is in the US? Apr 21 13:22:14 not quite clear yet if it's safe for user Apr 21 13:22:18 DocScrutinizer-8: errr.. that's what i'm asking ;) Apr 21 13:22:32 c'mon you yanks, you know you want to tell me you're there Apr 21 13:22:35 "can I eat those berries?" "yes..... but you will die" Apr 21 13:22:54 anyway you need bash or whatever in \etc/shells then Apr 21 13:23:06 DocScrutinizer-8: my device did not broke after that Apr 21 13:23:16 hrw Apr 21 13:23:31 hrw: both passwd and shells? Apr 21 13:24:06 ls: /etc/shells: No such file or directory Apr 21 13:24:16 nah Apr 21 13:24:17 i.e. you actually had bash on user login? Apr 21 13:24:22 you only need to modify /etc/passwd Apr 21 13:24:50 sECuRE: I heard contrary Apr 21 13:24:57 DocScrutinizer-8: I used chsh only and user@n900 has bash in xterm Apr 21 13:25:00 i just did that this morning, it works Apr 21 13:25:44 hmm. lots of bogus reports around it seems. Thanks for a clear one :-) Apr 21 13:26:01 np Apr 21 13:26:17 I edited it with vi Apr 21 13:26:20 made a typo Apr 21 13:26:21 saved Apr 21 13:26:26 and found out undo is not supported Apr 21 13:26:37 heh, yes, busybox vi really sucks Apr 21 13:26:49 sECuRE: it does not suxx. it is just limited Apr 21 13:26:57 busybox * SUCKS Apr 21 13:27:04 yes, all cool features are left out. i call that sucking ;) Apr 21 13:27:05 I adore busybox vi on my devices Apr 21 13:27:17 and prefer busybox vi over vim when work on serial console Apr 21 13:27:40 busybox/vi always uses whole screen. vim checks $COLUMNS $LINES and assumes 80x24 Apr 21 13:28:00 i never had that problem with vim, but i don’t use it much via serial console Apr 21 13:28:02 which suxx in 200x80 terminals Apr 21 13:29:38 something suxx when author lame, but busybox limited intentionally Apr 21 13:29:42 anyway bash is a halfassed approach without coreutils. And those are confirmed to break boot aka initscripts - FAIL :-( Apr 21 13:30:01 moreover, it is bash who suxx when you see from zsh side Apr 21 13:30:06 DocScrutinizer-8: you may install gnu-coreutils Apr 21 13:30:13 of initscripts though Apr 21 13:30:24 Treibholz: yoh Apr 21 13:30:27 DocScrutinizer-8: initscripts do not use bash just because you change your login shell Apr 21 13:31:07 sECuRE: yes, but guys changed system shell to bash Apr 21 13:31:18 why would you do that? Apr 21 13:31:41 dunno... maybe to get rid of friggin messybox? Apr 21 13:31:50 i don’t see a point in that Apr 21 13:32:10 for interactive use a more featureful shell might be useful, but why change a running system without obvious benefits? Apr 21 13:32:56 why use messyboxisms in initscripts first instance? Apr 21 13:33:21 because it’s small and available? *shrug* not my decision, but it seems to work fine so far Apr 21 13:33:39 sECuRE: you missed the point Apr 21 13:34:31 either messybox is POSIX then bash should work as well. Or it's not and then what other reason do you need to avoid it all together Apr 21 13:35:04 not sure if busybox is posix. chances are the initscripts are not, which is relatively likely Apr 21 13:35:14 OTOH, if they come directly from debian, they are very likely posix Apr 21 13:35:35 as debian switched to dash as default shell and had a mass-bugfiling against packages with bashisms in their initscripts a while ago Apr 21 13:36:13 see, each and every sane system works with posix conformant shell and coreutils. Maemo doesn't Apr 21 13:36:26 I'd call that a bug in its own Apr 21 13:36:53 yep, if you want to ensure that, i’d recommend changing /bin/sh to dash and see what breaks ;) Apr 21 13:37:53 fsck, I don't need to do such nonsense. Reports of coreutils breaking init cause scripts use busyboxisms are legend Apr 21 13:38:35 so does basj or anything but busybox for sys-shell Apr 21 13:39:15 guys, why you think initscripts are depends on _user_ shell>? Apr 21 13:39:21 we don’t Apr 21 13:39:27 oh, good Apr 21 13:39:32 see 15:31 Apr 21 13:39:42 err, 8 minutes ago, whatever time zone you are in Apr 21 13:39:49 and you can't tell me there's a sane rationale to use special borked busyboxisms in init, just because busybox is available Apr 21 13:39:54 +2 ;) Apr 21 13:40:10 DocScrutinizer-8: nope, of course that’s not rational Apr 21 13:40:48 so that's a bug in maemo initscripts Apr 21 13:43:25 debian on PC didn't use bash or zsh or busybox for initscripts. it this is not a question of compatibility Apr 21 13:43:47 yes, they do care about compatibility, but the main reason is speed and efficiency Apr 21 13:44:42 I'm perfectly ok to replace any sane posix shell by busybox *after* you've checked your initscripts are working in a most general conformant way Apr 21 13:45:06 I can believe that busybox is much faster in initscripts than bash, just because it smaller Apr 21 13:45:23 * MohammadAG grumbles Apr 21 13:46:22 no problem, I bet it's faster. But busybox is NOT THAT bad you could not write compatible scripts Apr 21 13:47:00 rmrfchik: ash (busybox sh), dash, bash - thats order of speed for initscripts Apr 21 13:47:56 sure. busybox is a multicall executable that never needs to load further program text Apr 21 13:48:11 for sure it's magnitudes faster Apr 21 13:49:01 does anyone know how to use awk? Apr 21 13:49:10 nevertheless it is (or should be) a dropin replacement Apr 21 13:49:10 I bet google does Apr 21 13:49:27 mgedmin, I didn't know that... Apr 21 13:49:31 nah, not even google X0 Apr 21 13:49:36 MohammadAG, no charge Apr 21 13:49:37 XP Apr 21 13:49:39 what linux application is most suitable for meamo calendar sync? Apr 21 13:50:00 mgedmin, now that's what open source is all about! :P Apr 21 13:50:36 MohammadAG: no, that's Creative Commons Apr 21 13:50:45 * RST38h moos Apr 21 13:51:03 * DocScrutinizer-8 queeks Apr 21 13:51:12 * MohammadAG googles Creative Comments Apr 21 13:51:18 common* Apr 21 13:51:21 s* Apr 21 13:52:20 MohammadAG: CC probably is about giving away advice for free :-P Apr 21 13:52:32 MohammadAG: I use awk Apr 21 13:54:55 MohammadAG: I use awk Apr 21 13:55:21 DocScrutinizer-8, does CC involve crashing N900s? :P Apr 21 13:55:54 rmrfchik, I'll check google first, might as well read about awk, thanks anyways Apr 21 14:15:12 Easy personalization for less than the price of a coffee. Apr 21 14:15:12 Prismic Wallpaper Manager - Only $3.75 Apr 21 14:15:22 ouch coffeee are high priced in dollars Apr 21 14:15:23 :) Apr 21 14:15:38 Hi everyone Apr 21 14:15:51 Khertan, spamming again? Apr 21 14:16:39 hum ... why again ? Apr 21 14:17:29 you take things too seriously :p Apr 21 14:17:46 i mean why again ? Apr 21 14:17:54 because ... i'm just spamming as usual Apr 21 14:17:55 :) Apr 21 14:18:41 hum ... maybe it s just one of the reason of iphone OS 1 didn't have the copy / paste Apr 21 14:18:48 just to avoid spamming on irc :) Apr 21 14:19:29 * RST38h thinks the Tentacled One should get medieval on theme makers spamming Extras with dozens of their themes, placed into random categories Apr 21 14:20:29 ;) Apr 21 14:20:54 dozens of themes would be all well and good, if only there was a themese category :( Apr 21 14:20:56 Hum ... i see that there still not interesting post on tmo Apr 21 14:21:18 nid0, and a preview screenshot :) Apr 21 14:21:26 in ham Apr 21 14:21:33 indeed Apr 21 14:21:45 like ubuntu did it in them "pseudo" package manager Apr 21 14:24:15 someone can remember me where ham store his preferences priority on repository and which repository to ignore Apr 21 14:24:15 ? Apr 21 14:28:38 lcuk: did you keep fmms installed on any of your devices? Apr 21 14:28:48 lcuk: if so, did you notice any extra battery drain? :P Apr 21 14:30:41 frals, my battery rarely drains unexpectedly and yes ive got it installed on my image Apr 21 14:33:12 frals: checked right now - short term average is about 15mA - which is about right Apr 21 14:33:21 frals: for before fmms Apr 21 14:33:25 SpeedEvil, lcuk: cheers Apr 21 14:33:29 and it's installed. Apr 21 14:33:45 So, at least here, it's not having a noticable impact when you never use it Apr 21 14:34:05 Is there any daemon that it runs? Apr 21 14:34:29 * noobmonk3y_Work left liqflow running for 3 hours this morning, battery was not a happy bunny........ Apr 21 14:34:31 fmmsd.py is started whenever an MMS is received and then stays Apr 21 14:34:47 k Apr 21 14:35:06 noobmonk3y_Work, yes its quite an intensive task Apr 21 14:35:08 /opt/fmms/fmmsd.py Apr 21 14:35:28 frals: should starting from the commandline do the same as mms Apr 21 14:35:29 thing is, i cant find a way to detect if the video out is connected Apr 21 14:35:37 so i cant just blank on main screen blank Apr 21 14:35:48 SpeedEvil: yeah it does the same thing Apr 21 14:35:55 frals - the naming convention idea, it's genius - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=621045 Apr 21 14:35:56 mornin everyone Apr 21 14:35:57 as the dbus-service command just launches the application that way Apr 21 14:38:21 noobmonk3y_Work, can i ask where you got the samples for your fart app Apr 21 14:38:36 :D Apr 21 14:38:46 this is one time i am pleased the nasal interface was left off the n900 Apr 21 14:38:49 not got em yet! Apr 21 14:38:52 lol Apr 21 14:39:32 perhaps *and i hate myself for suggesting this* you should begin a thread and see if you can have collarative fartathon Apr 21 14:40:02 frals, does fmms have the potential to support sound clips? Apr 21 14:40:18 with videos !!!! Apr 21 14:40:19 :) Apr 21 14:40:22 gurk Apr 21 14:41:18 if you get fart notes for the entire musical scale - we could make a midi interface for it Apr 21 14:41:25 frals: Ok - initial results are that with the daemon running, it uses lots more power. Checking that this isn't false Apr 21 14:42:22 lcuk: it already does, kinda.. it doesnt recode shit but it attaches fine ;) Apr 21 14:42:44 good :) Apr 21 14:42:54 recoding shit would be messy Apr 21 14:43:15 SpeedEvil: ta, will take a look what might be the problem then Apr 21 14:46:21 frals: I'm unsure - it's not doing it reliably - I need to finish off my battery testing framework Apr 21 14:46:34 oh Apr 21 14:46:35 ignore Apr 21 14:46:40 it made the LED flash I think Apr 21 14:46:42 that'll do it Apr 21 14:47:30 uh, it should only flash the LED if you receive an MMS.. Apr 21 14:47:34 hmm Apr 21 14:47:35 SpeedEvil, which app do you use for investigating Apr 21 14:48:01 lcuk: the bq* script from ShadowJK Apr 21 14:48:14 ahh so its not graphical yet Apr 21 14:48:17 no Apr 21 14:48:38 well, you are the api to detecting power usage atm :D Apr 21 14:48:55 SpeedEvil, do you stop regular apps Apr 21 14:49:00 I have a broken trivial thing that I haven't finished off - which starts and stops stuff 20 times over a few minutes, and measures start and stop power Apr 21 14:49:03 or do you get baseline, then add on the new app Apr 21 14:49:14 I need to fix it - I was just doing that manually Apr 21 14:49:29 yeah different apps etc have different methods of startup Apr 21 14:49:39 it was probably xchat flashed it, and I diddn't kill the notification Apr 21 14:49:55 that's an issue which makes it harder yes - for commandline it's easy Apr 21 14:49:59 afk Apr 21 14:56:40 I'll probably finish it and then rewrite it in proper C before bothering with graphical fluff. Apr 21 14:57:05 Long term plan is bme replacement, not battery-eye/batterygraph replacement ;) Apr 21 14:58:49 (frals> fmmsd.py is started whenever an MMS is received and then stays) isn't that a quite wrong concept? Apr 21 14:59:31 what's it doing to cause battery drain? polling instead of sleeping? Apr 21 14:59:33 esp if it's a power hog Apr 21 15:00:03 yeah, sounds nasty odd Apr 21 15:00:32 ShadowJK, if the results are parsable you dont need to make the visuals Apr 21 15:00:57 it should be sleeping Apr 21 15:01:35 so top is your friend then, and strace :-P Apr 21 15:01:53 lcuk, yeah they're parseable, I parse it myself with a second script ;) Apr 21 15:01:56 :) Apr 21 15:02:09 DocScrutinizer-8, and powertop Apr 21 15:02:15 Hi Apr 21 15:05:01 ShadowJK: how do you read out 27200? Could you do same for 24150 (maybe sigstop bme for 500ms)? and then send output (preferrably commented like 'charger plugged') to me Apr 21 15:06:37 ShadowJK: apropos - checked the /dev/I2C-* and if they are useful by any means? Apr 21 15:07:03 Yes I could do the same with bq24150 Apr 21 15:07:13 hi Apr 21 15:07:27 and the i2cget helper executable is accessing /dev/i2c-2 Apr 21 15:08:09 ShadowJK: aah (helper). (do) a lil RE for BME ;-D Apr 21 15:09:19 i'm trying to connect to internet trught usb, and the maemo browser ask me for connection Apr 21 15:09:35 but with xterm i cant ping evrything Apr 21 15:09:35 ShadowJK: maybe >> interleave a 'tail /var/log/*'? Apr 21 15:09:45 i *can Apr 21 15:10:25 any ideas? Apr 21 15:10:38 DNS? Apr 21 15:11:07 well i have not configured the resolv.conf Apr 21 15:11:19 but i ping using the ip Apr 21 15:11:22 and it work Apr 21 15:11:26 0ing working with URL? Apr 21 15:12:06 ? Apr 21 15:12:26 if i use wifi connection browser can connect Apr 21 15:12:31 with put only the ip Apr 21 15:12:44 but if i use the usb Apr 21 15:12:57 browser don't work Apr 21 15:13:09 but i can ping everything with xterminal Apr 21 15:13:22 it tries to access unreachable DNServer Apr 21 15:13:43 ok Apr 21 15:14:02 try 'ping ct.de' Apr 21 15:15:14 check in wiki how to correctly mess around with etc/resolv.conf Apr 21 15:15:58 in this moment Apr 21 15:16:04 i havent nothing in resolv.conf Apr 21 15:16:12 but i can resolve ct.de Apr 21 15:16:17 with xterm Apr 21 15:16:33 but if i put in the browser Apr 21 15:16:38 it ask me for a connection Apr 21 15:16:59 hmm, restart browser? Apr 21 15:17:02 dunno Apr 21 15:17:09 ask timeless Apr 21 15:17:29 ok thx Apr 21 15:18:24 ShadowJK: you're aware there is a bq27* module? Apr 21 15:18:40 heh Apr 21 15:18:53 * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders wtf that one does Apr 21 15:18:55 ShadowJK: though ATM it reads out only charge %, vbat, and vsense Apr 21 15:19:09 bah Apr 21 15:19:41 and doesn't create decent sysfs nodes? Apr 21 15:19:54 ./2.6.28.10power-omap1/bq27x00_battery.ko Apr 21 15:20:20 I'm smoking dry here Apr 21 15:20:55 /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/ Apr 21 15:21:03 capacity device present temp uevent Apr 21 15:21:03 current_now power subsystem type voltage_now Apr 21 15:21:16 heh Apr 21 15:22:15 now we need a bq2415x.ko and correstponding nodes - bye bme Apr 21 15:24:26 and of course bq27x00.ko should get a bit smarter, exporting all the interesting stuff from gauge chip Apr 21 15:24:32 yeah Apr 21 15:24:41 and not expoerting current as microvolts Apr 21 15:25:12 errr, microamps would be more sensible, yes Apr 21 15:26:16 is so strange becouse i'm trying chromium on n900 and it work, but i think all built in maemo application dont work trought usb(in my case) Apr 21 15:26:33 if only we could bully someone @Nokia to look up value of shunts in BOM Apr 21 15:27:09 DocScrutinizer-8, SpeedEvil: playing with battery info? Apr 21 15:27:30 time for playing is over Apr 21 15:27:54 now it's time for productive results Apr 21 15:28:09 well found a workaround using the ad-hoc connection(connecting to myself), and it works Apr 21 15:28:12 dunno why Apr 21 15:29:46 like >get better capacity estimation >nuke bme closed blob annoyance and put charging straight >enable usb host 5V power Apr 21 15:34:22 SpeedEvil, yeah the module doesn't interest me Apr 21 15:40:15 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/#comment-28194 - nice comment which makes me wonder who is Chuck ;D Apr 21 15:44:45 ShadowJK: why not? Apr 21 15:45:33 ShadowJK: I mean - surely it's more sane to fix the existing kernel driver to export bq* information, not write your own userspace thingy that will not interoperate with other things touching the bq* Apr 21 15:47:23 you try with maemo kernel or mainline 2.6.34-rc one? Apr 21 15:47:43 err.ko?!? Apr 21 15:48:18 .ko sounds like kernel to me Apr 21 15:48:36 anyway in a hurry. bbl Apr 21 15:49:31 aah, yes. your words Apr 21 15:49:36 got it wrong Apr 21 15:50:11 why the airport touch dissapeared from ovi :( Apr 21 15:50:22 don't you have a deb for airport touch? :) Apr 21 15:50:26 supertramp, i dunno but tracy was shouting Apr 21 15:51:09 tracy? Apr 21 15:55:25 hey everyone Apr 21 15:56:06 rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb <- wooo free space on rootfs! xD Apr 21 15:56:21 Hi, is there a way i can precache the maps? I am going on a holiday, and I dont feel like paying a huge internet bill, so i'd like to do it at home Apr 21 15:56:30 PhonicUK, tbh I moved it to /opt Apr 21 15:56:30 LuciusMare: ovi maps? Apr 21 15:56:35 hrw: yes Apr 21 15:56:40 MohammadAG, now why didn't i think of that Apr 21 15:56:41 seems like a better option (easier restores) Apr 21 15:56:46 LuciusMare: you have ms windows available? Apr 21 15:56:46 yah Apr 21 15:56:59 no issues with me moving it to opt and symlinking then? Apr 21 15:57:05 nope Apr 21 15:57:09 PhonicUK: also move /var/lib/apt/lists Apr 21 15:57:12 well, I do, more precisely, a friend of mine does Apr 21 15:57:13 why? Apr 21 15:57:15 as well as /var/lib/dpkg Apr 21 15:57:17 awesome, ill do that when i get home Apr 21 15:57:23 LuciusMare: use Nokia Maps Loader under windows Apr 21 15:57:26 its so much easier to do over an SSH session xD Apr 21 15:57:49 PhonicUK, and /var/lib/apt Apr 21 15:57:54 those folders are hefty Apr 21 15:58:04 hrw: have anybody tested it under wien? Apr 21 15:58:04 don't moves the themes btw Apr 21 15:58:05 *wine Apr 21 15:58:09 it borked my selecor Apr 21 15:58:14 LuciusMare: no idea, I used winxppro Apr 21 15:58:19 themes are used before filesystems are mounted? Apr 21 15:58:21 LuciusMare, highly doubt it would work Apr 21 15:58:39 PhonicUK, well no, you can't change your theme if you move the folder Apr 21 15:58:48 the personalisation_app segfauls Apr 21 15:58:53 ah i see Apr 21 15:58:56 (and coredumps) Apr 21 15:59:00 segfaults* Apr 21 15:59:06 cheers for that Apr 21 15:59:14 :) Apr 21 15:59:19 ive got 30MB free with all the repos enabled so its not too bad Apr 21 15:59:26 would be nice to get to 50/60MB though Apr 21 15:59:26 my slider's loose but in a nice smooth way Apr 21 15:59:35 keyboard slider? Apr 21 15:59:39 PhonicUK, 58 here Apr 21 15:59:41 yeah Apr 21 15:59:45 52.5MB here Apr 21 15:59:47 but I like it this way Apr 21 15:59:52 yah mines loosend up a bit Apr 21 16:00:01 got t-mobile to refund part of my bill today ^_^ Apr 21 16:00:02 58 with over 100 apps btw Apr 21 16:00:09 they cocked up a bit when i renewed my contract :\ Apr 21 16:00:21 resulting in a £58 phone bill Apr 21 16:00:59 AND, related to my first, question, can i enable internetless mode? Apr 21 16:01:18 offline mode does not solve that, i do want gsm Apr 21 16:01:37 LuciusMare: internetless how? Apr 21 16:01:42 Lucius, theres an app to disable GPRS/3G while keeping GSM access Apr 21 16:01:45 so it doesn't even ask? Apr 21 16:01:50 you can also disconnect the network entirely Apr 21 16:01:56 PhonicUK: great, what is it's name? Apr 21 16:01:57 while still being able to make calls Apr 21 16:01:59 1 tick Apr 21 16:02:21 korhojoa: no, so it does not download *anything* Apr 21 16:02:51 LuciusMare, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/ Apr 21 16:03:23 also, simply "disconnecting" the active internet connection will stop data access - that said im not sure how much i trust it not to autoconnect to something when an app requests data Apr 21 16:03:40 LuciusMare: Uh. I just tell it not to use any connections without me allowing it = nothing gets downloaded Apr 21 16:03:54 "Disable Data Roaming" ^_^ Apr 21 16:04:00 huh. Apr 21 16:04:10 PhonicUK: you are the winner, but i do not trust it :D Apr 21 16:04:18 thanks for the app Apr 21 16:04:51 btw LuciusMare, got the unit to hand? theres another thing you should do if you're going away Apr 21 16:04:56 uh oh Apr 21 16:05:04 ? Apr 21 16:05:04 i thought... Apr 21 16:05:15 there is the setting - dual/3g/gsm - in the normal settings Apr 21 16:05:38 no, but there is an option in the normal settings to disable roaming for data Apr 21 16:06:09 if you go Settings -> Phone -> Network -> Data Roaming -> "Always Ask" Apr 21 16:06:12 and how does it know i am roaming? Apr 21 16:06:16 by your network Apr 21 16:06:23 therse also Network Mode -> GSM Apr 21 16:06:25 oo Apr 21 16:06:29 in the same section Apr 21 16:06:35 you're right there is such an option Apr 21 16:06:46 great, great Apr 21 16:06:48 its all in Settings -> Phone -> Networking Apr 21 16:06:53 thanks Apr 21 16:06:57 /s/networking/network Apr 21 16:06:59 no worries Apr 21 16:08:48 crashanddie, am now. :P Apr 21 16:12:02 wow, no internet connected = battery lasts forever Apr 21 16:12:19 well, duh :p :) Apr 21 16:12:32 internet doesn't do much for my battery life Apr 21 16:12:35 much bad Apr 21 16:12:37 well - wifi Apr 21 16:12:40 SpeedEvil: over wifi... Apr 21 16:12:43 corecode_, did you know, if you turn your device off, it lasts longer than if its on Apr 21 16:12:46 with good powersave Apr 21 16:12:50 make net over 3g and battery will suck Apr 21 16:12:54 as in under 10% faster discharge Apr 21 16:13:17 yea 3g seems to be the problem Apr 21 16:13:21 have a nice rest of day Apr 21 16:14:21 how is the radio being used differently with 3g? Apr 21 16:14:54 eh, what was the name of the app to load maps? Apr 21 16:15:08 3G is a powerhog no matter what phone, it's not just the N900 that suffers bad battery life when 3G is used Apr 21 16:15:11 amigadave about? Apr 21 16:16:00 PhonicUK: ? Apr 21 16:16:16 dunno someone else said it Apr 21 16:16:25 LuciusMare: use Nokia Maps Loader under windows Apr 21 16:16:34 so is the problem running the radio in 3g mode, or actually sending packets in 3g? Apr 21 16:16:35 thanks Apr 21 16:16:48 i loaded the maps manually Apr 21 16:16:52 the zip files Apr 21 16:16:55 works decently Apr 21 16:17:03 * PhonicUK took the sim card out of his N97, its been running non stop for nearly a week Apr 21 16:17:06 although i think they are not covering everything Apr 21 16:17:36 i wonder how long the N900 would be able to run for with the sim card removed Apr 21 16:17:53 i probably wouldn't even notice, since i mostly use it for skype/internet over WiFi Apr 21 16:17:58 PhonicUK, could find out Apr 21 16:18:03 i have a problem with arriving calls Apr 21 16:18:06 tracy barely charges hers Apr 21 16:18:09 if its anything like my N97, several days Apr 21 16:18:16 when i have the phone in my pocket and a call comes in Apr 21 16:18:27 i left its WiFi and 3G on all the time, charge lasted a little over 1 day Apr 21 16:18:36 and i pull out the phone, often i touch the screen area that make the call be rejected Apr 21 16:18:41 anybody else have that? Apr 21 16:18:46 i get that Apr 21 16:18:52 ideas on how to work around it? Apr 21 16:19:02 except for grabbing the phone differently? Apr 21 16:19:08 put it in your pocket with the back facing outwards Apr 21 16:19:21 i always have the screen facing my body Apr 21 16:19:40 after an accident with an iPaq 1930 where someone backed a chair out into me and broke the screen :\ Apr 21 16:20:06 yes i have it that way Apr 21 16:20:18 none here then Apr 21 16:20:24 i also get the annoying bug where its stuck in portrait mode after taking/making a call Apr 21 16:20:38 getting it to turn back around is a matter of trial and error :\ Apr 21 16:20:46 yes Apr 21 16:20:58 corecode_, put phone in pocket with screen sensor down Apr 21 16:21:08 then when you reach in it doesnt activate until its out of pocket Apr 21 16:21:11 problem for all devices Apr 21 16:21:18 lcuk: speaker down? Apr 21 16:21:18 i usually do it by closing the "Call" app, putting it in portrait with the keyboard out, and starting the call app Apr 21 16:21:23 almost always flips back around Apr 21 16:21:24 yes Apr 21 16:21:27 i do that Apr 21 16:21:40 but my thumb is on the "reject" when it comes out of the pocket Apr 21 16:21:56 ive not done it yet Apr 21 16:22:05 * lcuk never misses a call Apr 21 16:22:07 happens to be for basically every call Apr 21 16:22:08 ive done that once Apr 21 16:22:10 :/ Apr 21 16:22:10 unless im sleping Apr 21 16:22:15 i usually grab my phone by the sides Apr 21 16:22:23 but i grab is between screen and back Apr 21 16:22:28 not by the sides Apr 21 16:22:29 aah Apr 21 16:22:33 hey, I was wondering if anyone had any experience sampling from the accelerometer on the n900 at high rates (50Hz or more) Apr 21 16:22:53 copumpkin, sure Apr 21 16:23:03 liqacceltests does it frequently Apr 21 16:23:07 and onedotzero did Apr 21 16:23:10 a friend of mine said he'd done it but that it was a polling-based mechanism and it was eating up all his CPU Apr 21 16:23:11 and liqflow works at 60fps Apr 21 16:23:16 oh? Apr 21 16:23:21 N900 = portable seizmograph! Apr 21 16:23:22 yeah Apr 21 16:23:29 install liqflow from extras Apr 21 16:23:30 :) Apr 21 16:23:32 works nicely Apr 21 16:23:36 hm Apr 21 16:23:37 or a lie detector for people with a nervous twitch Apr 21 16:23:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 Apr 21 16:24:01 portable drum machine Apr 21 16:24:05 liqflow is sampling from the accelerometer at 60fps, or just drawing graphics at 60fps? Apr 21 16:24:09 nice Apr 21 16:24:10 multiple n900s on a table detecting drumming Apr 21 16:24:12 both Apr 21 16:24:17 ah, nice Apr 21 16:24:19 whats that device with the funny mask? Apr 21 16:24:23 another N900? Apr 21 16:24:26 its a proto Apr 21 16:24:32 aah Apr 21 16:24:32 I started ovi maps, connected it with usb to the computer, started map loader, and it keeps blinking "Waiting for phone" Apr 21 16:24:32 says in the comments Apr 21 16:24:41 we didnt have enough lol Apr 21 16:24:54 lcuk: any pointers API-wise for doing that? Apr 21 16:24:55 who had a prototype? Apr 21 16:24:58 liqflow does other things than sitting like that Apr 21 16:25:01 its very touchable Apr 21 16:25:07 copumpkin, for doing what? Apr 21 16:25:12 liqflow itself or the accelerometer Apr 21 16:25:21 getting higher sampling rates from the accelerometer and having CPU cycles left over Apr 21 16:25:25 i wonder if i'd get a faster response from the Qt guys by using my nokia internal email address... Apr 21 16:25:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers Apr 21 16:25:39 smoothed code i use in liqbase (and liqflow) is there Apr 21 16:25:48 oh, you made it :) Apr 21 16:25:51 looks very nice Apr 21 16:25:52 yeah Apr 21 16:25:53 :) Apr 21 16:26:22 Doe anybody here use the nokia map loader with n900? Apr 21 16:26:32 does that even work? Apr 21 16:26:43 oh do we have 1.2 yet? Apr 21 16:26:46 sometimes it works okay for some people Apr 21 16:26:48 mostly not Apr 21 16:26:59 LuciusMare: just download the zip files and extract them Apr 21 16:27:09 corecode_: what zip files? Apr 21 16:27:49 links to maps for different countries > http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html Apr 21 16:28:15 yes yes that one Apr 21 16:28:28 but it doesn't contain everything Apr 21 16:28:38 sometimes there is just a hole in the map Apr 21 16:28:44 and you need internet to fill it up Apr 21 16:28:46 im off home all, later Apr 21 16:29:03 corecode_, o_O Apr 21 16:29:24 lcuk: yes, try going offline and look around the dijon area in france Apr 21 16:29:39 you paying for tickets? Apr 21 16:29:44 i wouldnt knwo what im missing otherwise Apr 21 16:29:56 no, on the map you dummy :) Apr 21 16:30:09 well i havent downloaded france Apr 21 16:30:13 ah Apr 21 16:30:14 so maps will show a big hole! Apr 21 16:30:24 well i downloaded the world[tm] Apr 21 16:30:30 old gps app used to show unknown countries as water Apr 21 16:30:36 hehe Apr 21 16:30:39 downloading the world is very low resolution Apr 21 16:30:44 and will not fit on 32g Apr 21 16:30:50 huh? Apr 21 16:31:07 to download the world at street level precision would be an immense download Apr 21 16:31:12 you need to download regional maps Apr 21 16:31:17 for high resolution Apr 21 16:31:18 you mean the "entire continent" is less precise that the separate country maps? Apr 21 16:31:23 no wonder its still using internet for oyu Apr 21 16:31:28 yes Apr 21 16:31:33 for space reasons Apr 21 16:31:37 think like a fractal Apr 21 16:31:47 lots of detail as you zoom in Apr 21 16:31:53 sure Apr 21 16:32:04 but the continent zip file is already 1gb Apr 21 16:32:16 sure, the continent is big! Apr 21 16:32:24 think of it like a paper map Apr 21 16:32:29 get an a-z one Apr 21 16:32:34 for your town Apr 21 16:32:36 that was not clear from the description Apr 21 16:32:46 and think how big the book would need to be for your country Apr 21 16:32:56 then think how big the book would need to be for your continent! Apr 21 16:33:40 alright then Apr 21 16:33:44 downloading the rest as well Apr 21 16:36:52 are there any good sketching apps for the N900? Besides the default one, that is. The two features I'm looking for is being able to resize on a pixel basis, multiple undo levels and when you draw something off screen it should scroll so you can continue to draw.. Apr 21 16:36:59 three* Apr 21 16:39:27 Xournal? Apr 21 16:40:41 [corecode_]: I'll have a look at it Apr 21 16:40:56 ToJa92: How about myaint? Apr 21 16:41:03 mypaint Apr 21 16:41:17 I'll test em' both then Apr 21 16:43:10 mypaint isn't found :( Apr 21 16:44:33 lcuk: (60Hz) iirc lis302 has 100 and 400s/s. At least 2 fixed values. And accel-driver usually should not poll lis302 at all, rather the best practice is to set IRQ triggers correctly (relative mode and low threshold usually) and then wait for a hw interrupt signaling any change in acceleration readings Apr 21 16:45:09 DocScrutinizer-8, it probably does Apr 21 16:45:20 but since i can read it when i need i didnt concern with that Apr 21 16:45:26 as fast as possible was enough Apr 21 16:46:01 aah, k Apr 21 16:54:26 lcuk: not true wrt maps Apr 21 16:54:37 lcuk: i just downloaded all regional german maps Apr 21 16:54:45 lcuk: and the big german one Apr 21 16:54:54 lcuk: extracted they have the same size Apr 21 16:55:34 although... Apr 21 16:55:39 some files are different Apr 21 16:55:54 and the regional ones contain some files the big one doesn' Apr 21 16:55:56 t Apr 21 16:58:21 seriously, why doesn't IL have maps Apr 21 16:59:00 * DocScrutinizer-8 points to tangogps with its highly intuitive map downloader Apr 21 16:59:15 bomb threats! Apr 21 16:59:29 lol IL isn't that bad... Apr 21 17:00:09 got stopped by a soldier, he wanted an ID, told him I didn't have it on me, problem solved :) Apr 21 17:01:33 ToJa92: Mypaint is in another repo right now. Apr 21 17:01:49 search for mypaint on talk.maemo.org Apr 21 17:04:18 is there a way to tie a script to events "charger plugged in" and "charger plugged out"? Apr 21 17:06:16 Arkenoi: have you checked if there is a corresponding dbus event? i’d think so Apr 21 17:07:37 [dmj726]: Oh. Apr 21 17:07:51 Arkenoi: check 'python dbus scripting' Apr 21 17:08:39 Arkenoi: (it's a pkg) Apr 21 17:08:53 where can i get some documentation about python-alarm? like a list of all available functions? Apr 21 17:08:55 with gui even Apr 21 17:09:04 or am i supposed to guess their names based on the reference documentation of libalarm? Apr 21 17:09:34 sECuRE: check alarmed pkg Apr 21 17:11:27 sECuRE: python iirc, nice gui, and a highly usefull app on top of it Apr 21 17:12:39 Hi again Apr 21 17:13:06 Does there is some docs about qt and autorotation ? Apr 21 17:14:24 Khertan_n900: nothing in wiki? Apr 21 17:14:43 Khertan_n900, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-rotation.html ? Apr 21 17:14:47 oe on trolltech.foo Apr 21 17:15:10 Thx ... Apr 21 17:15:13 aah, s/trolltech/nokia/ of course Apr 21 17:15:28 hum 4.6 not available yet so Apr 21 17:17:06 gotta love living in sweden.. snowing like crazy outside Apr 21 17:18:02 frals, i saw your post earlier Apr 21 17:18:11 shocking of course Apr 21 17:18:45 :) Apr 21 17:19:08 hum next time i should be more precise ... and any documentation for PyQt ? Apr 21 17:19:08 fixed the config dialog not showing up if settings are filled in now and also changed to a picker on image resize Apr 21 17:19:35 need to see if i can get the other stuff fixed without breaking anything as well Apr 21 17:20:12 \o/ Apr 21 17:26:01 lcuk: is your liqflow source available? Apr 21 17:26:11 apt-get source liqflow Apr 21 17:26:17 or github.com/lcuk Apr 21 17:26:23 aha, nice Apr 21 17:26:34 DocScrutinizer-8: i like the 8 Apr 21 17:26:49 are you rolling the advanced kernel? Apr 21 17:26:56 :-) Apr 21 17:27:08 * MohammadAG heard something about kernels Apr 21 17:27:25 oh Apr 21 17:27:49 i eat kernels for breakfast. Apr 21 17:28:14 C-S-B-N900: ehh? advanced kernel? Apr 21 17:28:24 or simply wheat kernels? Apr 21 17:28:36 yeah, with overclocking tunnels etc... Apr 21 17:28:42 in the repo Apr 21 17:28:49 bah Apr 21 17:29:07 /version me! Apr 21 17:29:15 popped kernels ftw :P Apr 21 17:29:23 i stuck all the megadrive and snes roms on my phone earlier. :) Apr 21 17:29:46 brain party works properly now \o/ Apr 21 17:29:47 8=N8x0? Apr 21 17:29:50 2.8.4 Linux 2.6.21-omap1 [armv6l] Apr 21 17:29:58 N810 Apr 21 17:30:04 :) Apr 21 17:30:24 nid0: is that the tuxradar game? Apr 21 17:30:40 no, its a load of puzzles, basically Apr 21 17:30:44 doesn't have to do with tux Apr 21 17:30:48 really really well designed though Apr 21 17:31:05 it's like Brain Challenge btw (PSP/PS3/N-Gage etc...) Apr 21 17:31:06 nid0: i thought one of the guys from linux format wrote it Apr 21 17:31:14 paul hudson... Apr 21 17:31:16 i think Apr 21 17:31:19 yeah he did Apr 21 17:31:32 well he does tuxradar Apr 21 17:31:35 ergo Apr 21 17:31:38 nid0: is that the tuxradar game? Apr 21 17:31:59 :p Apr 21 17:32:26 in which case I change my answer to yes. first time you said it I read as far as tux and assumed you meant tuxracer Apr 21 17:32:47 its ok nid0, theres no beef. Apr 21 17:32:54 is it in the repo? Apr 21 17:32:54 beef's nice tho :( Apr 21 17:32:59 grr TypeError: GtkAboutDialog.set_version() argument 1 must be string or None, not module Apr 21 17:33:00 its in -testing atm Apr 21 17:33:12 go test it and vote, will be really nice to see it get to extras asap Apr 21 17:33:22 who ported it? Apr 21 17:33:25 thp Apr 21 17:33:42 i dont know him. Apr 21 17:33:47 :/ Apr 21 17:33:54 hudzilla's been helping him though, he made a few changes to the original code and is now taking thp's ported code and merging it back upstream to his own Apr 21 17:34:06 so his will now compile fine directly on just about anything Apr 21 17:34:30 <_Lucretia_> which cortex revision is in the n900? Apr 21 17:34:39 a8 Apr 21 17:34:45 <_Lucretia_> er yeah Apr 21 17:35:09 * _Lucretia_ is looking at the arm site for manuals, there seems to be 8 revisions of the A8 Apr 21 17:35:21 sorry! Apr 21 17:35:23 <_Lucretia_> r1p1, r2p0, etc Apr 21 17:35:56 couldnt the phone theorectically have any of them, if they are in the same package. Apr 21 17:36:19 <_Lucretia_> yeah, i spose, but then there shouldn't really be different manuals for them Apr 21 17:36:55 <_Lucretia_> as they look like they have same but may have different added features too Apr 21 17:37:29 <_Lucretia_> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.subset.swdev.abi/index.html Apr 21 17:37:55 <_Lucretia_> ah it's ok, the other manuals are superceded Apr 21 17:39:18 great, i have a zombie Apr 21 17:41:01 is there some way to record? :P Apr 21 17:41:32 not an important feature for me, but would be useful atm Apr 21 17:41:37 record what? Apr 21 17:41:59 sound Apr 21 17:42:06 yes Apr 21 17:42:11 yay Apr 21 17:42:13 where? Apr 21 17:42:17 there is a sound recorder widget in the repos somewhere Apr 21 17:42:21 I forget the name Apr 21 17:42:28 * FIQ == FredrIQ Apr 21 17:42:30 ah, ok Apr 21 17:42:53 recaller? Apr 21 17:43:02 or recorder for voice recording Apr 21 17:43:48 (19:43:03) (MohammadAG) or recorder for voice recording Apr 21 17:43:56 that one Apr 21 17:44:11 :) Apr 21 17:44:34 it's kind of weird that I hit End instead of answer today Apr 21 17:44:44 got attracted to the big red button Apr 21 17:44:49 lol Apr 21 17:45:31 haha Apr 21 17:45:32 recaller will also work for voice recording as well Apr 21 17:45:48 "oooh, shiny, red button..." *rejects call* Apr 21 17:47:10 WAAAAAAAA Apr 21 17:47:23 DocScrutinizer seems to be fan of Metallica Apr 21 17:47:33 Metallica how? Apr 21 17:47:46 * mece noticed his metal detector went off ;) Apr 21 17:47:50 :P Apr 21 17:48:25 Hm, I wonder, are there somewhere the original files for icons? I mean, for example osso xterm svg... Apr 21 17:49:43 suspend to disk -> Wlan dies. Switch off wlan hard, rmmod ath5k, enable wlan, modprobe ath5k -> wlan resurrects but same moment kmixer dies. Then 10 minutes later kde session gets closed unadvertedly Apr 21 17:50:36 moo all Apr 21 17:51:02 moo RST38h Apr 21 17:51:04 baaaaa RST38h Apr 21 17:51:09 woof RST38h Apr 21 17:51:17 RST38h Apr 21 17:51:18 growl RST38h Apr 21 17:51:20 how are things? pr1.2? =) Apr 21 17:51:23 where is the confirm on exit buttom? :D Apr 21 17:51:29 no Apr 21 17:51:30 exit bottom? Apr 21 17:51:31 "#maemo users : completely normal" Apr 21 17:51:34 er Apr 21 17:51:36 button* Apr 21 17:51:37 RST38h, you just pinged half the channel Apr 21 17:51:44 :P Apr 21 17:52:04 in xchat i mean Apr 21 17:52:10 lcuk: "assorted nuts" Apr 21 17:52:16 meegow RST38h Apr 21 17:52:24 What is confirm on exit? Apr 21 17:52:31 How should it look? Apr 21 17:52:46 uh Apr 21 17:53:20 a dialog appearing if you tries to exit xchat asking if you're sure Apr 21 17:53:43 it exists for desktop version, don't find it in preferences Apr 21 17:53:47 * LuciusMare_ would need that with xterm Apr 21 17:53:48 FIQ, you removed it Apr 21 17:53:56 aw Apr 21 17:53:57 "Don't ask next time" Apr 21 17:54:01 how to reset it? Apr 21 17:54:04 purge and reinstall Apr 21 17:54:07 i'm pretty sure i didn't Apr 21 17:54:16 uhm Apr 21 17:54:27 isn't there an easier way...? Apr 21 17:54:51 not sure Apr 21 17:54:59 FIQ, type /set Apr 21 17:55:06 of course there Apr 21 17:55:10 of course there is, just reflash Apr 21 17:57:55 FIQ: I personally have no need for such a dialog. Apr 21 17:58:09 SpeedEvil, yes eventually a kernel module would be sane Apr 21 17:58:15 If I say "close", I mean "close, don't give me crap" Apr 21 17:58:23 After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "sexy apps," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not... Apr 21 17:58:25 ...going to go there." Apr 21 17:58:43 but right now I don't want a kernel module that reserves these resources and tells the nokia.com bme to fuck off Apr 21 17:59:13 * derf watches everyone on the internet abandon Apple for Android. Apr 21 17:59:19 Yep Apr 21 17:59:45 Porn! El Jobso promised porn on Android! He is God, so he is always right! Apr 21 18:00:06 RST38h: 0:47 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvRGh2NEjSU Apr 21 18:00:16 porn apps for maemo are overdue, thatll get the download numbers looking healthy Apr 21 18:00:28 it came with a porn app! Apr 21 18:00:37 mece: cat you mean? Apr 21 18:00:41 a more dedicated one than the browser. Apr 21 18:00:44 MicroB Apr 21 18:00:44 i misread that as a porn map Apr 21 18:01:12 and wondered what the hotspots would be marked as Apr 21 18:01:21 http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/ Apr 21 18:01:21 I'm especially looking forward to seeing an boob-app that responds to touch and accelerometer. Apr 21 18:01:22 for anyone interested Apr 21 18:01:24 haha,er. Apr 21 18:01:25 so liek a redtube app or something? Apr 21 18:01:30 If you mean Ovi Maps on Maemo, that is more like S&M app Apr 21 18:01:31 solar dynamics observatory opens in 15 mins Apr 21 18:01:48 :D aSIMULAtor cool Apr 21 18:01:55 I'd love an app to tell me about iridium flares Apr 21 18:01:56 did you see last nights discussion about fmms btw? Apr 21 18:02:00 no Apr 21 18:02:33 in #maemo-ui - theres a pretty indepth discussion in your scrollback Apr 21 18:02:59 failing that its been logged Apr 21 18:03:06 What's #maemo-ui for? Apr 21 18:03:26 ui/ux related things Apr 21 18:03:32 layout help etc Apr 21 18:03:46 It's a dev-channel then? Apr 21 18:04:02 yes - but not code dev Apr 21 18:04:05 interface dev Apr 21 18:04:20 got it Apr 21 18:07:34 is fmms user friendly nowadays? Apr 21 18:07:59 or does it still need manual AP fiddling? Apr 21 18:08:05 frals, this guy *points at naxu* wants to know if fmms is user friendly! Apr 21 18:08:13 naxu, frals is, theres some sharp bits if it doesnt go according to plan that we are ironing it out Apr 21 18:08:31 Ironing it with a mallet Apr 21 18:08:37 not at all :) Apr 21 18:08:44 I read that "not quite yet" :) Apr 21 18:08:45 a sledgehammer? Apr 21 18:08:50 frals has done rock solid work - just streamlining it Apr 21 18:09:24 naxu: you still need to find the settings and input them yourself im afraid... but im working on that ;) or rather, *we* are working on that Apr 21 18:09:45 it handles image downscale when sending? Apr 21 18:09:50 yes Apr 21 18:09:58 to 100kb or 300kb? Apr 21 18:10:13 to whatever the user has set resize width to in pixels Apr 21 18:10:21 SpeedEvil, amusingly it seems several userspace apps can access same dev on i2c simultaneously... or then I've just been lucky and never had bme and bq*.sh clash so far :) Apr 21 18:10:24 frals, I think orange crippled my mms reception, sending to other operators works Apr 21 18:10:24 lcuk: Any idea on whether we will ever have file transfers, ignore lists, and other advanced features in messaging? Apr 21 18:10:26 frals is full of awesome and win! Apr 21 18:10:30 * ShadowJK runs it continously Apr 21 18:10:47 frals, "i" was better :) YOU ar ethe one whos done the hard work, we are merely suggesting things Apr 21 18:11:04 MohammadAG: weird, give em a call and yell ;) Apr 21 18:11:05 frals: so user needs to know what image resolution fits in mms limits? Apr 21 18:11:18 naxu: it defaults to 240 which *SHOULD* work for everyone Apr 21 18:11:24 frals, I need a hebrew for dummies book Apr 21 18:11:28 but not all operators limit the size to 300k Apr 21 18:11:36 mine eg doesnt give a shit what size i send it in Apr 21 18:11:37 frals: yeah, it depends on operator Apr 21 18:11:48 but if the other handset cant handle it it never gets there Apr 21 18:11:55 RST38h, unknown by me, not an area i am personally concerned about - sms wouldnt support them anyway Apr 21 18:12:01 i sent myself a 5mpix picture by mistake - arrived flawlessly on my other device Apr 21 18:12:07 granted it took a while to dl it Apr 21 18:12:14 frals, doesn't mms support file sending now? Apr 21 18:12:15 frals: operator downsamples images if receiving end doesn't know how to open big ones Apr 21 18:12:16 lcuk: Oh Apr 21 18:12:24 naxu: not all does Apr 21 18:12:35 frals: yeah might be Apr 21 18:12:49 naxu: believe me, i've done some testing on the subject :-) Apr 21 18:13:01 frals: me too :) .. how about receiving? Apr 21 18:13:26 what about it? Apr 21 18:13:38 it handles it automatically? Apr 21 18:13:48 as long as settings are good yes Apr 21 18:14:05 nice Apr 21 18:15:22 http://i39.tinypic.com/a40ois.jpg xD Apr 21 18:16:55 MohammadAG, how did you manage such a thing Apr 21 18:18:08 lcuk, I'm not sure, prolly cause of attaching a laser to the back Apr 21 18:18:20 * lcuk nods Apr 21 18:18:27 ok, bug 9994 just got created Apr 21 18:18:28 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9994 objdump segfaults when specifying a binary BFD Apr 21 18:18:37 that means that sometime in next 24h someone will get 10k Apr 21 18:18:51 i hope its a good one \o/ Apr 21 18:19:00 one we can close easily lol Apr 21 18:19:47 ~flashing Apr 21 18:19:48 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 21 18:20:27 anyone here played freeciv on the n900? Apr 21 18:21:16 ShadowJK: either I2Ctools and bme lock the device, so bme / tools gets EAGAIN. Or you actually just were lucky. Well, a collision isn't *that* easy to spot either. Results highly unpredictable but odds are it will go unnoticed Apr 21 18:21:21 re Apr 21 18:21:26 A radical Islamic website is warning the creators of South Park that they could face violent retribution for depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode broadcast on Comedy Central last week. Apr 21 18:21:34 Xisdibik: freeciv on 800x480? must be hard Apr 21 18:21:43 RST38h: which is -really- funny considering the episode itself Apr 21 18:21:48 hrw, perfectly playable., Apr 21 18:21:59 hrw, at year 2050 on mine. Apr 21 18:22:22 DocScrutinizer, bme keeps it open all the time btw :) Apr 21 18:22:42 it does a few accesses per minute, atleast when on charger, iirc Apr 21 18:22:50 hrw: thats what id assume, thats why i wanted to ask Apr 21 18:22:52 mece: I played civ1 on 640x256, then freeciv on 1154x864, then on 1680x1050. so for me 800x480/n900 is too small Apr 21 18:22:56 mece: can you screen shot the gameplay? Apr 21 18:23:06 sure.. Apr 21 18:23:08 Stskeeps: I mean, if these towelheads actually pull it, they will deserve a solid 7/10 in my book, 8/10 if they blow the whole studio Apr 21 18:23:14 mece: thanks :) Apr 21 18:23:15 holdup Apr 21 18:23:27 RST38h: what if they kill kenny? Apr 21 18:23:33 DocScrutinizer, I haven't been able to snoop bme <-> bq* traffic :( Apr 21 18:23:39 then they are bastards SpeedEvil Apr 21 18:23:45 ShadowJK: stub out the i2c libraries? Apr 21 18:23:45 SpeedEvil: Plagiarism is not to be rewarded! Apr 21 18:23:58 hey all Apr 21 18:24:09 that's actually what I began with, heh. using gdb to dump core and then trying to find the i2c comm buffer Apr 21 18:24:16 Stskeeps, hm? Apr 21 18:24:37 well, the i2c calls Apr 21 18:24:44 like, ltrace and friends Apr 21 18:24:51 its time to update maemo :\ Apr 21 18:25:01 any advice (other than backup) before i do? Apr 21 18:25:10 PhonicUK: update to what? Apr 21 18:25:23 dunno, but theres a update recently become available Apr 21 18:25:27 noticed it on my way home Apr 21 18:25:56 Stskeeps, oh, the i2c "library" is a .h file consisting mostly of #define i2c_read(x, y, z) ioctl(x, 0x720, *y, *z) kinda things Apr 21 18:26:05 PhonicUK: if system update then do backup and then update Apr 21 18:26:13 PhonicUK: if apps update then just update Apr 21 18:26:23 its a system update, it told me it has to be done through pc suite Apr 21 18:26:29 will it backup my home directory? Apr 21 18:26:38 it lies about pc suite Apr 21 18:26:43 oh? Apr 21 18:26:51 apt-get dist-upgrade ? Apr 21 18:27:33 Stskeeps, so I guess LD_PRELOAD would be feasible, but then reboot-loop hits if I get it wrong Apr 21 18:27:37 no - use hildon-app-manager Apr 21 18:28:01 the normal application manager? Apr 21 18:28:16 yep Apr 21 18:28:23 it wouldn't let me Apr 21 18:28:48 or find a way for gdb to dump core right before and right after the relevant ioctl, since bme seems to keep the paramters/bfuffer on the stack, which gets destroyed when it goes back to whatever :/ Apr 21 18:29:27 PhonicUK: strange - allowed me.. sorry then no help from me Apr 21 18:29:59 ShadowJK: there is a way to get it to boot into another OS - hold down a key - I forget - and it runs a script Apr 21 18:30:20 ShadowJK: copy / to /sd - piviot_root, viola Apr 21 18:31:00 anyone know if the Quake II port uses OpenGL ES Apr 21 18:31:05 or if its a software renderer Apr 21 18:31:16 well, is it fast? I haven't tried it. Apr 21 18:31:28 i havent tried yet either xD Apr 21 18:31:43 its more about the quality of the visuals than speed anyway Apr 21 18:31:47 ShadowJK: well I thought more of just polling whole bq24150 reg set on a regular schedule, and then simply deduce what bme told to bq25150 Apr 21 18:33:51 [2010-04-21 20:24:49] its time to update maemo :\ --- o.O Apr 21 18:34:07 yah Apr 21 18:34:20 apparently theres a maemo system update, and it insists on using PC Suite to do it Apr 21 18:34:29 you better not be kidding ._· Apr 21 18:34:38 LOL Apr 21 18:34:40 im not Apr 21 18:34:44 haha Apr 21 18:34:51 so UK is getting 1.1.1 then? ;) Apr 21 18:34:52 I don't have a pcsuite :( Apr 21 18:35:05 PhonicUK: to 3.2010.02? Apr 21 18:35:07 even UK 1.1.1 is weeks ago Apr 21 18:35:22 DocScrutinizer: it's annoying that you can't write the bq22 registers to reflect the real 'off' voltages - so it could learn Apr 21 18:35:25 depends if you just recently flashed an image Apr 21 18:35:30 and if that image needs updating Apr 21 18:36:15 SpeedEvil: 27200? Apr 21 18:36:21 y Apr 21 18:36:40 * VDVsx yawns :0 Apr 21 18:36:50 well, you need a learncycle aka battery complete drain Apr 21 18:36:52 I'm currently on 3.2.2010.02-8.203.1 Apr 21 18:37:04 brb desktop restart Apr 21 18:37:35 * DocScrutinizer away for schweinebraten. bbl Apr 21 18:37:39 DocScrutinizer: yes - which the normal software won't do - as it powers off well before the thresholds programmed into chip Apr 21 18:37:46 (at least for me) Apr 21 18:37:51 ShadowJK: has yours ever learned?> Apr 21 18:37:56 on phone while waiting for reboot Apr 21 18:38:42 SpeedEvil: then we either need a bat-conditioner app as seen on many laptops. Or we need a reprogramming of 27200 eeprom :-S Apr 21 18:38:56 DocScrutinizer: which needs a 27v vpp pulse Apr 21 18:39:02 yep Apr 21 18:41:02 Update: 3.2010.03.0 Apr 21 18:41:05 wtf Apr 21 18:41:28 PhonicUK, did you diddle with your packages and remove something you shouldnt have Apr 21 18:41:32 nope Apr 21 18:41:37 Hi, i have got there a problem with the shell: "ash /bin/ls" = "/bin/ls: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")", and "bash /bin/ls" = "ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file" Apr 21 18:42:25 LuciusMare_, whats the line you're trying to run? Apr 21 18:42:42 "ash /bin/ls" and "bash /bin/ls" Apr 21 18:43:18 * DocScrutinizer 's temped to frisbee his esprimo. Last week got a new fan (20EUR, real bargain), today HDD starts shooting my ears with ultrasonic dangerous level (well, maybe 18KHz) Apr 21 18:43:55 well bash isn't installed by default Apr 21 18:44:06 (I have bash installed) Apr 21 18:44:09 ok Apr 21 18:44:14 can you run it on its own? Apr 21 18:44:18 sorry who wanted freeciv screenshots? I got caught up in something.. Apr 21 18:44:51 PhonicUK: on it's own? Yes. But when i want it to execute another command just right after running (and then exit), it does this Apr 21 18:45:20 (And, as a use for this, I want to have a shortcut to root shell, a .desktop file) Apr 21 18:45:33 lol! Apr 21 18:45:40 uk vodafone finally got 1.1.1? Apr 21 18:46:12 and apparently, osso-xterm sudo gainroot does not work, so i have to use osso-xterm sudo gainroot which does not work either... Apr 21 18:46:55 mece: Xisdibik and I Apr 21 18:46:55 * PhonicUK didn't realise there where network branded versions of Maemo? Apr 21 18:47:01 only that 1 Apr 21 18:47:11 and not really branded, yet! Apr 21 18:47:26 what did they do with the maemo? Apr 21 18:47:28 change wallpaper? Apr 21 18:47:31 * PhonicUK is on Tmo Apr 21 18:47:37 LuciusMare_: this won't work any way Apr 21 18:47:37 nothing yet Apr 21 18:47:44 DocScrutinizer: aw, why not? Apr 21 18:47:47 just hold back the poor uk peeps Apr 21 18:47:52 hrw, Xisfibik, here: http://twitpic.com/1hc406 Apr 21 18:48:03 is it possible to stop my phone setting my skype "real name" to my skype username? Apr 21 18:48:11 *cough* debrand *cough* Apr 21 18:48:12 LuciusMare_: security considerations should prohibit it Apr 21 18:48:18 BCMM, i would also like to know xD Apr 21 18:48:25 mece: thx Apr 21 18:48:37 my parents aren't to technical and seem somewhat confused as to who i am when it happens Apr 21 18:48:41 ^too Apr 21 18:48:46 roffle Apr 21 18:48:57 i think you have to add yourself as a contact Apr 21 18:48:58 it's bonkers to look at that pic on my monitor. It's really big :D Apr 21 18:49:00 DocScrutinizer: i do not think it is a big security flaw if one can already easily access the root Apr 21 18:49:03 and fill in the "Real Name" field Apr 21 18:50:00 LuciusMare_: sudo gainroot is a hack. It's not designed in a way to allow all other brainfuck that's considered "not worse" Apr 21 18:50:08 * lcuk collapses in a heap Apr 21 18:50:17 i need beer infusion Apr 21 18:50:20 'sudo gainroot' worries me :\ Apr 21 18:50:25 lcuk: share the beer! Apr 21 18:50:29 what if some malicious app tried to run it :| Apr 21 18:51:12 well .deb (post|pre)(rm|inst) are run as root anyway arent they? :p Apr 21 18:51:13 i wonder if the default SSHd setup is clever enough to not allow incomming connections over the modem and only over WiFi Apr 21 18:51:26 PhonicUK: o Apr 21 18:51:31 frals, malicious browser script? Apr 21 18:51:42 PhonicUK, the default sshd is to not have sshd installed Apr 21 18:51:47 i know :P Apr 21 18:51:49 PhonicUK: echo "rm -rf /*"|sudo gainroot == instant disaster Apr 21 18:52:03 i installed sshd though for my convenience :) Apr 21 18:52:07 and development Apr 21 18:52:11 (And I hope nobody ever tries to run that) Apr 21 18:52:18 then put a 255 character password in Apr 21 18:52:25 or whatever max is Apr 21 18:52:38 echo "echo foo" | sudo gainroot Apr 21 18:52:39 works Apr 21 18:52:40 and maybe setup a routing table thingy Apr 21 18:52:51 lcuk: i assume hes worried about the increased traffic over 3g if someone tries to bruteforce him or what not Apr 21 18:52:54 lcuk, im actually going to disable all password authentication over SSH Apr 21 18:52:54 doesnt the sudo get done after the echo Apr 21 18:52:59 hence wouldnt deleter Apr 21 18:53:02 and only allow RSA authentication Apr 21 18:53:08 yeah thats cool too Apr 21 18:53:12 DocScrutinizer: so you recommend gaining root, changing password, editing sudoers, and removing "gainroot" ? Apr 21 18:53:32 SpeedEvil, yep, the other day it even completed a learning cycle without shutting down Apr 21 18:53:35 frals is right anyway Apr 21 18:53:50 the act of installing malicious sudo gainroot hacking script is installed as root Apr 21 18:53:58 but I monitored it closely and set offline mode towards the end to keep load, and thus voltage, stable Apr 21 18:53:59 LuciusMare_ , I wouldn't do that except with a password far too annoying to type on the N900 keyboard xD Apr 21 18:54:08 DocScrutinizer, yes that's my current plan.. Apr 21 18:54:19 I recommend a good book about unix administration, yeah. Prolly such book will quote your procedure somewhere in first chapter Apr 21 18:54:23 isn't there an app somewhere that shows you which apps are the most battery hungry? Apr 21 18:54:27 so: trusted confirmed apps only from good confirmed repositories Apr 21 18:54:30 CPU time usage * battery decline Apr 21 18:54:42 how do you split each app apart Apr 21 18:54:46 DocScrutinizer, i started with trying to snoop nut gave up on that Apr 21 18:54:47 cpu != battery usage Apr 21 18:54:54 (before talking to bq) Apr 21 18:54:59 no but its a good indicator Apr 21 18:55:00 DocScrutinizer: i know, but hell i know what happens there, if i am not going to break it by doing so Apr 21 18:55:19 ignoring WiFi/3G/GPS Apr 21 18:55:49 you can also measure data usage by process, and which process is using GPS Apr 21 18:55:53 so you could take those into account Apr 21 18:56:09 * DocScrutinizer recommends LuciusMare_ to read about SUID Apr 21 18:56:25 and why it won't work for scripts Apr 21 18:56:43 SUID? Apr 21 18:56:58 oh, hah. Apr 21 18:57:01 i just broke it Apr 21 18:57:02 ^^ Apr 21 18:57:04 * MohammadAG wants to know why sudo works for him Apr 21 18:57:11 DocScrutinizer, My script ran sudo gainroot and executed a command Apr 21 18:57:34 Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '*' as root on Apr 21 18:57:35 yay Apr 21 18:57:36 it looked like you where saying a script can't do that Apr 21 18:57:48 mece: i did sorry for late reply Apr 21 18:58:06 mece: im heading off for a n hour tho, or more. have lunch, and then a class Apr 21 18:58:13 mece: so if your around later ill remind u Apr 21 18:58:13 Xisdibik, did you get the pic? Apr 21 18:58:22 dudes Apr 21 18:58:23 mece: lemme check the logs Apr 21 18:58:29 I am in love with this new kernel Apr 21 18:58:30 Xisdibik, http://twitpic.com/1hc406 Apr 21 18:58:34 LuciusMare_, what did you try to get that result? Apr 21 18:58:37 I misspelt your name ;) Apr 21 18:58:38 850mhz N900 runs perfectly smooth Apr 21 18:58:52 * PhonicUK wants to overclock, but doesn't want to void his warranty :( Apr 21 18:58:54 what's a hacker to do Apr 21 18:58:55 what kernel Apr 21 18:58:59 and I love how it idles down at 250mhz, my battery is great new Apr 21 18:59:02 mece: haha np, thanks for t he pic i might ask u more about it later, gotta run Apr 21 18:59:02 now Apr 21 18:59:03 and will burst in flames at some point \o/ Apr 21 18:59:17 * DocScrutinizer wants to know if there's any more schweinebraten for dinner over there in the pub Apr 21 18:59:20 i always thought 250mhz was a little high for idling :\ Apr 21 18:59:21 why not lower Apr 21 18:59:24 well, if it dies, it dies, its was only 500$, Ill just buy another one. Apr 21 18:59:30 PhonicUK: what result? Apr 21 18:59:33 chances are a newer maemo device will be out by then :) Apr 21 18:59:35 lol Apr 21 18:59:45 there will never be a new maemo device Apr 21 18:59:47 Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '*' as root on Apr 21 19:00:01 yes, i cant do anything anymore as root, i reached it :) Apr 21 19:00:01 acidjazz, corrected, meego Apr 21 19:00:11 i se Apr 21 19:00:22 note reinstalling rootsh fails Apr 21 19:00:31 anyhoo, PhonicUK unless you're really paranoid, its a night and day difference Apr 21 19:00:33 http://mirror.servut.us/flash/4chan-f/-/zipperroll.swf Apr 21 19:00:49 even flash video that was a bit shakey is now smooth Apr 21 19:00:51 Kamui, what is? Apr 21 19:01:17 the oc Apr 21 19:01:19 kernel Apr 21 19:01:25 but i wants my warranty :( Apr 21 19:01:41 hmm Apr 21 19:01:56 does the current kernel even idle down the cpu? Apr 21 19:02:00 yes Apr 21 19:02:04 to 250MHz minimum Apr 21 19:02:10 which i always thought was a bit high :\ Apr 21 19:02:12 there is a lower setting of 125myhz Apr 21 19:02:14 but it causes issues Apr 21 19:02:14 why not 125 or so Apr 21 19:02:16 oh? Apr 21 19:02:20 su root = su: must be suid to work properly Apr 21 19:02:21 and you can customzie it with this kernel Apr 21 19:02:21 what. Apr 21 19:02:34 successfully runs up to 1.1ghz Apr 21 19:02:38 though I wouldnt' recommend athat :) Apr 21 19:02:50 blender also runs pretty nicely now Apr 21 19:03:30 nice Apr 21 19:03:37 try http://mirror.servut.us/flash/4chan-f/-/zipperroll.swf overclocked Apr 21 19:03:54 eeh or not Apr 21 19:03:59 it doesnt work ;\ Apr 21 19:04:00 i remember the THG video showing chips melting and burning without fans on Apr 21 19:04:05 i remember that! Apr 21 19:04:17 P3/P4 and a couple of AMD chips Apr 21 19:04:24 it was the amd ones Apr 21 19:04:29 they caught fire Apr 21 19:04:29 wow something was causing a memory leak Apr 21 19:04:33 the p4 underclocked itself nicely Apr 21 19:04:36 the amd went up in smoke Apr 21 19:04:43 the P3 underclocked, the P4 hung Apr 21 19:04:49 Hm, any ideas how to get out of this situation? Apr 21 19:05:04 ? LuciusMare_ Apr 21 19:05:09 how can i get flash to capture the 'mouse' cursor? Apr 21 19:05:15 i cant click in this applet Apr 21 19:05:27 enable the mouse cursor and click? Apr 21 19:05:29 do the ARM chips have similar thermal cutoff Apr 21 19:05:43 or would they smoke if you really sent them spinning Apr 21 19:05:43 lcuk: i uncommented gainroot in sudoers, and changed user's password in hopes that i wont need to use gainroot anymore, and now i am locked out of root totally: "sorry, user user is not allowed to..." Apr 21 19:05:44 how do you enable the cursor? Apr 21 19:05:59 ahh well LuciusMare_ Apr 21 19:06:04 PhonicUK: slide from left side of the screen Apr 21 19:06:20 lcuk: su root: must be suid Apr 21 19:06:23 aha! Apr 21 19:06:29 LuciusMare_: reinstalling rootsh from HAM *MIGHT* revert the config file, if you are lucky :p Apr 21 19:06:31 wow thats slow... Apr 21 19:06:35 Hi Apr 21 19:06:37 frals: i am not, it does not work Apr 21 19:06:42 anyone with a OC'd unit care to try that link out? Apr 21 19:07:08 I am going to try to get some rootkits... :D Apr 21 19:07:17 just purge it :P Apr 21 19:07:24 how, without root? Apr 21 19:07:32 root, purge Apr 21 19:07:41 how, *without root*? Apr 21 19:07:43 you'll still be in a root prompt Apr 21 19:07:48 i am not Apr 21 19:07:52 err Apr 21 19:07:54 i have no root prompt open Apr 21 19:07:59 ssh to 127.0.0.1 Apr 21 19:08:03 :) Apr 21 19:08:10 i have root login disabled Apr 21 19:08:17 :< Apr 21 19:08:21 download ssh Apr 21 19:08:25 i do have ssh Apr 21 19:08:28 oh Apr 21 19:08:30 but i disabled root login in config Apr 21 19:08:33 R&D mode Apr 21 19:08:36 pr 1.2 Apr 21 19:08:42 huh Apr 21 19:08:44 *pr 1.1 Apr 21 19:08:54 R&D mode, sudo gainroot Apr 21 19:08:58 R&D? Apr 21 19:09:36 heh Apr 21 19:09:48 that will need reflash anyway :P Apr 21 19:10:36 hm Apr 21 19:10:56 what about running my own repo on my LAN, creating a rescue .deb package which opens xterm with root shell for me? Apr 21 19:11:05 talking of ssh, do services work in the normal debian way? Apr 21 19:11:26 i mean, if i want SSH to be off at boot time, how do i set that up? Apr 21 19:11:48 (i've installed the status thingy for starting/stopping SSH) Apr 21 19:12:05 LuciusMare_, no Apr 21 19:12:08 MohammadAG: why? Apr 21 19:12:33 it needs flasher, not a reflash Apr 21 19:13:02 so it wont flash my device? Apr 21 19:13:09 and can i revert it? Apr 21 19:13:29 1 no, 2 yes Apr 21 19:13:38 perfect Apr 21 19:14:33 howdy, i want to compile something with a makefile, but make is not in my path. where is it normally? Apr 21 19:14:55 hmmm can i safely delete most things in /tmp? Apr 21 19:15:10 noobmonk3y: /tmp is cleared ond evice reboot Apr 21 19:15:17 so most likely Apr 21 19:15:19 hmm mmine never seems to be Apr 21 19:15:26 always same old rubbish Apr 21 19:15:35 well they are probably created on startup ;) Apr 21 19:15:50 * C-S-B-N900 enjoying brain party Apr 21 19:16:12 :P Apr 21 19:16:32 I am a staticion Apr 21 19:16:35 C-S-B-N900: I cant unlock anyof the secrets Apr 21 19:16:48 urgh, can't spell. Apr 21 19:17:06 Shapeshifter: do you know what triggers an unlock? Apr 21 19:17:33 "platinum" score, whatever that is. I guess 500. on the forums someone said 450-500 Apr 21 19:17:58 Also, the more I play baloon blaster, the lower my score gets. I once played extremely fast and well and got 17 points Apr 21 19:18:01 or fail Apr 21 19:18:31 i thought it was done on weight not scrore... Apr 21 19:19:03 weight? Apr 21 19:19:25 in any case, go to "results" and tap on the stars at the bottom Apr 21 19:19:29 it tells you the triggers Apr 21 19:21:11 ooo, so my n900 is in the r&d mode Apr 21 19:21:24 now let's see if it helps Apr 21 19:22:52 *2001 theme* Apr 21 19:23:12 damn. first FIASCO reflash. that is FAST! Apr 21 19:23:30 :( Apr 21 19:23:33 LuciusMare_, if you go wandering off into the jungle iwth your machete you can expect some prickles Apr 21 19:24:30 it doesnt help Apr 21 19:24:44 o.o Apr 21 19:25:36 sorry, user user is not allowed to execute /usr/bin/gainroot on hostname Apr 21 19:26:15 s/bin Apr 21 19:26:21 s/bin/sbin/ Apr 21 19:26:21 LuciusMare_ meant: s/sbin Apr 21 19:26:30 thanks infobot... Apr 21 19:26:30 LuciusMare_: pas de quoi Apr 21 19:26:49 MohammadAG: any more ideas? Apr 21 19:28:12 LuciusMare_, sudo gainroot Apr 21 19:28:36 sorry, user user is not allowed to execute /usr/bin/gainroot on hostname Apr 21 19:28:41 sudo su? Apr 21 19:28:58 sorry, user user is not allowed to execute /bin/su on hostname Apr 21 19:29:00 u sure it's in R&D mode? Apr 21 19:29:03 es Apr 21 19:29:05 *yes Apr 21 19:29:12 lock the screen Apr 21 19:29:16 what does the kb do? Apr 21 19:29:24 wonder if e17/compiz could run decent on the n900 Apr 21 19:29:56 is there a way to try out different desktop environments? Apr 21 19:30:29 it is in the rd mode Apr 21 19:31:22 it flashes Apr 21 19:31:44 which is pretty cool, and i like it, but it flashes also when the keyboard is closed :( Apr 21 19:32:22 LuciusMare_, no idea then Apr 21 19:33:19 can the n900 do a terminal login? and then startx into e17 or even gnome? Apr 21 19:33:48 ah, off work Apr 21 19:35:24 MohammadAG: when I try to uninstall the rootsh package, it tellse me that it cannot be uninstalled Apr 21 19:35:48 so by editing the sudoers i probably scerwed it. Apr 21 19:35:56 doesn't rootsh have a broken postrm script? Apr 21 19:36:04 i have no idea Apr 21 19:36:08 check the logs Apr 21 19:36:13 but it didnt do so untill the r&d Apr 21 19:36:25 can someone explain to me...... why The PYqt documentation examples are not in python but in C++? (or similar anyway) - http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyQt4/html/qlistwidget.html ?!?! Apr 21 19:37:07 noobmonk3y: probably imported and not yet translated Apr 21 19:37:19 pymaemo had some of those for a while as well :p Apr 21 19:37:26 gRrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Apr 21 19:37:41 :( Apr 21 19:37:48 helloo Apr 21 19:38:04 whats the problem? seems pretty straight forward to translate them noobmonk3y :) Apr 21 19:38:06 hm, what apps that have influence on system are possible to run with sudo? Apr 21 19:38:11 I mean, for example HAM Apr 21 19:38:16 theres no real black magic going on from what i can see there atleast Apr 21 19:38:19 no, just got annoyed it is always in C Apr 21 19:38:26 not an actual issue with the page Apr 21 19:38:33 apart from it says PyQT and advertises C Apr 21 19:38:34 noobmonk3y: take the hint, change to C ;D Apr 21 19:38:40 * noobmonk3y grimaces Apr 21 19:39:57 MohammadAG: can you msg me your sudoers? Apr 21 19:39:59 all languages are pretty much the same. Apr 21 19:40:13 c rules. :) Apr 21 19:40:13 * noobmonk3y looks at chinese then at english...... really? Apr 21 19:40:15 C-S-B-N900: brainfuck, BASIC, python... Apr 21 19:40:21 LuciusMare_, how do you plan on editing them? Apr 21 19:40:37 LuciusMare_: eh? Apr 21 19:40:41 lcuk, got liqflow to get all dots into one dot xD Apr 21 19:40:48 i dont, i just want to see if there arent any apps that can be ran under root and can be used to solve my problem Apr 21 19:40:53 MohammadAG, now, get them apart again ;) Apr 21 19:40:59 usually its possible Apr 21 19:41:00 are n900 hardware-related questions offtopic here? Apr 21 19:41:07 tho sometimes not Apr 21 19:41:23 BCMM, lots of things are ontopic here :) just ask Apr 21 19:41:40 * MohammadAG tries Apr 21 19:42:18 does anyone know why i get the permission denied error when i try to compile a program, at the ./configure command :s Apr 21 19:42:19 lcuk, can you do me a favor? Apr 21 19:42:20 i'm thinking of getting a car charger for my n900, but the nokia DC-10 looks kinda bulky and only powers micro-USB devices Apr 21 19:42:31 could you msg me your sudoers? Apr 21 19:42:33 there are loads of chargers available that just have a USB port on them Apr 21 19:42:48 nope LuciusMare_ im in a meego meeting atm and my phone is elsewhere Apr 21 19:43:07 but they are presumably dumb; will the n900 behave as a low-power USB device since it can't negotiate with them? Apr 21 19:43:39 LuciusMare_, what's the point Apr 21 19:43:49 (and therefore charge slowly, if at all) Apr 21 19:44:05 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libalarm/ says the source is in the subversion repository dms, subdir alarmd. where can i find that repository? Apr 21 19:44:11 MohammadAG: HAM could solve my problems, but i am searching for an easier solution Apr 21 19:44:11 if you can't edit them Apr 21 19:44:17 *sigh Apr 21 19:44:19 hmm i put that kinda long-windedly Apr 21 19:44:23 i dont, i just want to see if there arent any apps that can be ran under root and can be used to solve my problem Apr 21 19:44:27 LuciusMare_, but you can't edit your sudoers Apr 21 19:44:37 so what? Apr 21 19:44:40 huh Apr 21 19:45:02 You dont understand me, right? Apr 21 19:45:11 no, you're just not making sense :) Apr 21 19:45:56 shorter version: will the n900 behave as a low-power (100mA) USB device if i plug it into a completely dumb USB power source? the power source is rated up to 1A (for some reason) Apr 21 19:45:56 I *can* run the apps in sudoers under root, but none else, and there is a giant load of apps, and i believe that some of them can be used to get root access Apr 21 19:45:57 BCMM, not sure if 100ma will give a positive charging result Apr 21 19:45:59 LuciusMare_, just make a deb package with a postinst script that echos a sudoer file for su Apr 21 19:45:59 lcuk: yeah, i know Apr 21 19:46:14 ie undetermined - but if its proper spec usb and the device is certified for it then try it Apr 21 19:46:18 MohammadAG: and how would i import it to the n900? Apr 21 19:46:42 LuciusMare_, file manager Apr 21 19:46:45 lcuk: well, i haven't bought the device yet Apr 21 19:46:59 which the n900? Apr 21 19:47:03 you are awesome. Apr 21 19:47:15 lcuk: i'm worried the n900 will do the technically correct thing and only draw 100mA because the device is not clever enough to be asked nicely before taking more Apr 21 19:47:49 BCMM, my charger has a usb plug on the end of it Apr 21 19:48:02 BCMM: short D+ and D- - and you get a USB charger Apr 21 19:48:05 and it charges faster from the plug than it gets from my laptop Apr 21 19:48:10 BCMM: that performs to the USB spec Apr 21 19:48:33 LuciusMare_: the quick workaround is to rename one of them and replace them with a script doing what you want to be done Apr 21 19:48:54 LuciusMare_: eg restore the sudoers file and reload it - should work i guess? Apr 21 19:49:05 should. Apr 21 19:49:19 frals, he doesn't have root perms to edit the sudoers files Apr 21 19:49:22 (I feel kinda weird when i am actually exploiting my own system) Apr 21 19:49:25 MohammadAG: but the file maanager has Apr 21 19:49:26 nor update-sudoers Apr 21 19:49:32 MohammadAG: he doesnt have to edit the sudoers file Apr 21 19:49:44 he needs to rename one of the binaries that are allowed from sudoers.d Apr 21 19:49:44 ? Apr 21 19:50:05 essentially, that's making a deb package :) Apr 21 19:50:16 actually making a deb package is easier :) Apr 21 19:50:20 err Apr 21 19:50:29 say you got a file in there allowing /usr/bin/bla to run as root Apr 21 19:50:34 right nvm Apr 21 19:50:41 that is probably owned by root so cant rename it :D Apr 21 19:51:02 :) Apr 21 19:51:28 frals, a postinst script can help Apr 21 19:51:40 ah, yes, now i understood frals Apr 21 19:51:45 MohammadAG: that's what i am going to do Apr 21 19:52:15 *sigh* Apr 21 19:52:50 echo "user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/su" >> /etc/sudoers.d/su.sudoers Apr 21 19:52:59 then update-sudoers Apr 21 19:53:13 i was actually going to try nopasswd: gainroot Apr 21 19:53:27 let's do both :) Apr 21 19:53:35 one should be enough Apr 21 19:53:44 but, what .deb package? Apr 21 19:53:45 gainroot is sudo su Apr 21 19:53:52 LuciusMare_, make one... Apr 21 19:53:56 SpeedEvil: not entirely familiar with USB spec - do you mean there is a dumb, no-negotiation way to tell a device to draw full power? Apr 21 19:53:58 are libalarm2 and alarmd actually open-source? they come from the nokia-binaries repository, but in their copyright/readme files they state they are licensed under GPL Apr 21 19:54:03 (and i can’t find the source) Apr 21 19:54:11 man Apr 21 19:54:18 back injuries are not fun :< Apr 21 19:54:20 MohammadAG: i have never done anything like this before :< Apr 21 19:54:35 BCMM: short D+ and D- pins Apr 21 19:54:41 (well, actually don't know much about USB beyond connecting motherboard headers properly) Apr 21 19:54:41 dh_make Apr 21 19:54:46 make postinst file Apr 21 19:54:52 dpkg-buildpackage Apr 21 19:54:57 SpeedEvil: so a device that is supposed to just be a charger probably does that, right? Apr 21 19:55:04 yes Apr 21 19:55:13 unless it was made before the standard came about Apr 21 19:55:53 SpeedEvil: is that part of the USB standard or the Open Mobile Terminal Platform standard? Apr 21 19:56:18 https://www.usb.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=14120 Apr 21 19:56:21 usb standard Apr 21 19:56:21 lcuk: OMAP probably has no thermal auto throttling. And you heard the word 'electromigration', did you? Apr 21 19:56:54 well, i guess i'll get one of the third-party ones - the nokia one is a bit bulky, and there are 3rd party ones which manage to fit the electronics entirely within the cig lighter plug Apr 21 19:57:54 ah! ones advertised as "for the iphone" - which uses a standard charger IIRC Apr 21 19:58:01 thanks for advice Apr 21 19:58:18 for the reference, i finally found the alarmd-sources: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=dsm Apr 21 20:02:47 MohammadAG: i am lost, could you please create the package for me? Apr 21 20:03:43 LuciusMare_, i'm away from a PC, i'll check if my n900 can do it Apr 21 20:04:09 agh Apr 21 20:08:21 BCMM: there are two standards conforming ways to signal a charger to a gadget: Short D+ and D-. And a more obscure and complicated mode that is using a certain value resistor from USB ID-pin to GND. AFAIK the Nokia charger for N900 is of the simple short-D+- type Apr 21 20:08:55 I don't remember seeing resistor on ID - GND in the USB charging spec :) Apr 21 20:09:36 the charger spec only came about moderately receently Apr 21 20:09:39 ShadowJK: supplement froddlpfrmpft-3.3435.A-foo Apr 21 20:09:59 yeah well, people were doing all sorts of random things before that ;) Apr 21 20:10:29 no, ID-R is a USB.org specified way Apr 21 20:10:49 is it in one of these? http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs Apr 21 20:11:22 LuciusMare_, can you get me a debian/rules file? Apr 21 20:11:54 ShadowJK: somewhere in OTG Apr 21 20:12:23 they even "re"-invented my Y-cable ;-P Apr 21 20:13:59 MohammadAG: if i would know what it is... Apr 21 20:14:26 LuciusMare_, get it from a package like file-roller Apr 21 20:14:48 moin Apr 21 20:15:12 MohammadAG: nevermind, thanks Apr 21 20:15:20 just installed xchat on the n900. works fine :) Apr 21 20:15:27 i think i know... Apr 21 20:15:36 LuciusMare_, i just need a rules file... Apr 21 20:16:06 i do not know what it is... Apr 21 20:17:38 LuciusMare_, repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/f/file-roller Apr 21 20:17:47 acutally why don't i open that... Apr 21 20:20:17 SpeedEvil: this charger standard, does it support higher powers than normal USB? will my phone charge faster on the main charger than on my PC? Apr 21 20:20:27 ^mains Apr 21 20:21:24 yes Apr 21 20:22:00 Guys, how much space is there free on the rootfs when fresh flash? Apr 21 20:22:10 MohammadAG: how is it going? Apr 21 20:22:32 LuciusMare_, sec, tar isn't all that fun Apr 21 20:22:45 sure Apr 21 20:26:08 a reasonably fresh flash with just a few programs (less than 5mb installed according to the app manager) shows 58M available Apr 21 20:26:43 korhojoa, depends on what repositories you have enabled.. Apr 21 20:26:46 and apt-get clean just somehow magically made 100kb dissappear Apr 21 20:26:47 * ShadowJK has 56M available, never reflashed, a dozen or so programs installed Apr 21 20:26:57 umm Apr 21 20:27:01 the repos take up that much space? Apr 21 20:27:03 MohammadAG: so? Apr 21 20:27:08 which package is dpkg-buildpackage in? Apr 21 20:27:10 testing+ devel is almost 20Mb Apr 21 20:27:15 i have no idea Apr 21 20:27:19 build-essentials? Apr 21 20:27:20 aand devel is gone! Apr 21 20:27:26 asking everyone not you :P Apr 21 20:28:25 MohammadAG: is this the last step? Apr 21 20:28:30 yes Apr 21 20:28:44 tar it all up and upload it, i'll do it myself on my machine Apr 21 20:33:46 MohammadAG: where are you uploading it? Apr 21 20:34:09 meh failed Apr 21 20:34:13 what? Apr 21 20:34:16 busybox sucks Apr 21 20:34:24 it does, so? Apr 21 20:35:10 tar failed Apr 21 20:35:14 MohammadAG, dpkg-dev I think btw. Apr 21 20:35:25 mece, yeah using that (-deb) Apr 21 20:35:44 tar -czf works Apr 21 20:35:47 dpkg-deb: subprocess tar -cf returned error exit status 1 Apr 21 20:35:53 try z Apr 21 20:36:04 oh right. Apr 21 20:36:16 tar on maemo needs more magic than tar in other places for some reason. Apr 21 20:36:22 different magic Apr 21 20:37:05 what is wrong? Apr 21 20:37:43 esbox is such a pain in the ass.. couldn't you guys use something simpler? Apr 21 20:38:40 ShadowJK: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_1.zip batt_charging_1_1_FINAL.pdf page.20 Apr 21 20:38:43 3.9 Apr 21 20:38:45 Resistive Detection Mechanism Apr 21 20:38:46 For legacy Portable Devices that do not have the charger detection mechanism described in the previous Apr 21 20:38:48 sections, it is possible to use resistors to detect the presence of a Dedicated Charging Port. However, Apr 21 20:38:49 detection mechanisms using resistors are not recommended for new designs, for the following reasons: Apr 21 20:39:22 hm Apr 21 20:39:32 oops, sorry, 2 lines more than expected Apr 21 20:39:39 LuciusMare_, switching to pc Apr 21 20:39:42 buh bye Apr 21 20:39:50 MohammadAG: are you coming back? :P Apr 21 20:39:56 ye Apr 21 20:40:02 ^^ Apr 21 20:40:31 MohammadAG: like a boomerang :P Apr 21 20:41:17 ShadowJK: damn, if you need to lookup 5 of their documents a day, you probably won't get done anything really productive Apr 21 20:41:27 lol Apr 21 20:42:15 30 minutes for that shit Apr 21 20:42:43 MohammadAG: so where are you putting it? Apr 21 20:42:46 and I had an idea for what to search Apr 21 20:43:24 Sorry for being impatient Apr 21 20:43:55 ok Apr 21 20:43:57 got my n900 Apr 21 20:44:09 now to figure out how to get it to swap over to portrait mode upon rotating it Apr 21 20:44:11 :/ Apr 21 20:45:15 uh. Apr 21 20:45:31 omg packaging makes me want to kill myself! Apr 21 20:45:34 Arrgh! Apr 21 20:45:56 :) grats mece Apr 21 20:45:58 all the guides make assumptions that don't match my source. Apr 21 20:46:02 i got my n900 just 6 days ago Apr 21 20:46:31 ShadowJK: heh Apr 21 20:46:39 i just got it like 10 minutes ago Apr 21 20:46:44 fedex just dropped it off Apr 21 20:46:57 well you'll be pleased to know that Free Heroes 2 works quite nicely, but it's not packaged. Apr 21 20:47:05 free heroes? Apr 21 20:47:12 You did know beforehand that only the phone app works in portrait mode, right Apr 21 20:47:15 heroes of might and magic 2 Apr 21 20:47:22 ShadowJK: no :) Apr 21 20:47:25 (and the browser, if you press ctrl-shift-o and close the keyboard and rotate it) Apr 21 20:47:27 hey Apr 21 20:47:28 ShadowJK: this is a nice one: >>If there is a single failure within a device with a Charging Port, then the output voltage on VBUS shall not exceed VCHG_FAIL. A Portable Device is not required to operate or survive either of these voltages on its VBUS pin. However, these voltages shall not cause a Portable Device to fail in such a way as to harm the user.<< Basically says it's ok for a charger to kill the gadget when charger breaks Apr 21 20:47:29 the dialer is in portrait mode Apr 21 20:47:29 LuciusMare_, wait a bit Apr 21 20:47:37 Macer: not only phone app.. there aare a few apps which work in portrait mode Apr 21 20:47:48 dima202: what about the desktop Apr 21 20:47:53 it always stays in landscape? Apr 21 20:47:59 DocScrutinizer, it's okay to kill the gadget but not the user? :) Apr 21 20:48:03 Macer: yeah, for now Apr 21 20:48:13 s/for now// Apr 21 20:49:07 ShadowJK: I believe I read somewhere that they are working on desktop in portrait mode. please correct me if im mistaken Apr 21 20:49:11 well... :) Apr 21 20:49:24 hopefully soon.. i just got it so let me mess with it Apr 21 20:49:34 dima202, I haven't heard anyone ever say that Apr 21 20:49:52 Macer: Don't react to it like a phone.. It's a mini-computer that just so happends to be able to make calls =) Apr 21 20:50:15 ShadowJK: I'll try to find that refrence Apr 21 20:50:19 dima202: i know Apr 21 20:50:22 please do :) Apr 21 20:50:23 i used to have an n810 Apr 21 20:50:28 dima202: Waiter! There is a phone in my computer! Apr 21 20:50:31 so i think of it as a faster n810 with a 3G modem ;) Apr 21 20:50:49 Macer, then you'll love it :) Apr 21 20:51:06 let's hope ;) Apr 21 20:51:24 http://kieters.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/how-to-force-the-nokia-n900-into-native-portrait-mode-guide-screenshots/ Apr 21 20:51:58 Macer: try this out Apr 21 20:53:50 Macer: It's not a practical solution though Apr 21 20:55:10 LuciusMare_, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/suenabler_0.1-1_all.deb Apr 21 20:55:26 not responsible for anything that happens Apr 21 20:55:38 MohammadAG: without easy chroot appt installed couldn't you just do sudo su? Apr 21 20:56:11 package not tested btw Apr 21 20:58:12 dima202, not on the N900 Apr 21 20:58:23 http://kieters.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/how-to-force-the-nokia-n900-into-native-portrait-mode-guide-screenshots/ Apr 21 20:58:28 Macer: try this out Apr 21 20:58:52 it's very sad that people copy what you originally find... Apr 21 20:59:15 MohammadAG: i am forever in your debt Apr 21 20:59:34 MohammadAG: I did add that it's not practical Apr 21 21:00:06 http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/32770-how-use-n900-portrait-mode-glitch.html Apr 21 21:00:24 dima202, it isn't, the python .py script is more practical, but both are crippled portrait mode Apr 21 21:00:41 LuciusMare_, :) Apr 21 21:01:03 MohammadAG: hm, i see nothing in postinst that seems to do anything with the sudoers... Apr 21 21:01:07 btw, Remember I was having problems installing tools repo? Well simply follow this link to install it http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation scroll down to Installation "open this single-click install file" and you get screen, traceroute and much more useful stuff Apr 21 21:01:09 so let's hope it will work Apr 21 21:01:10 LuciusMare_, did it work? Apr 21 21:01:15 i am going to test it Apr 21 21:01:43 MohammadAG: do you use ESbox? Apr 21 21:02:38 damn freenode Apr 21 21:03:19 MohammadAG: Can you please write a tutorial which explains how to simply compile a package from source using this application? If you ever get some free time on your hands... I've been at it for days :( Apr 21 21:03:20 well, this is it... so let's try it Apr 21 21:03:48 holy freak Apr 21 21:03:49 dima202, which application? Apr 21 21:03:52 * LuciusMare_ hugs MohammadAG Apr 21 21:03:57 LOL Apr 21 21:04:17 anything at all. I just want to know how to compile using ESbox Apr 21 21:04:23 LuciusMare_, I'm guessing it worked :P Apr 21 21:04:28 [MohammadAG]: What did you do now lol? Apr 21 21:04:30 ^_^ Apr 21 21:04:48 ToJa92, package which enables sudo su Apr 21 21:04:58 MohammadAG: Just please a small little tutorial would mean a great deal Apr 21 21:05:05 ToJa92: i had it disabled Apr 21 21:05:10 dima202, it really is app dependent Apr 21 21:05:13 MohammadAG, thank you so much ^^ Apr 21 21:05:16 [LuciusMare_]: Oh Apr 21 21:05:20 depends if the app has a configure file etc... Apr 21 21:05:27 LuciusMare_, no probs :) Apr 21 21:05:42 Question for everyone else, should I upload this suenabler to -devel? Apr 21 21:05:48 I doubt anyone needs it though.. Apr 21 21:05:51 MohammadAG: Yeah, with .config Apr 21 21:06:02 no .config for it Apr 21 21:06:05 it's not a C++ app Apr 21 21:06:11 it doesn't need to be compiled... Apr 21 21:06:16 But why would you use sudo su, isn't that pretty much the same ass sudo gainroot (if you got the proper package installed)? Apr 21 21:06:27 ToJa92, he crippled the proper package lol Apr 21 21:06:31 ToJa92: because it's less characters? Apr 21 21:06:33 (somehow) Apr 21 21:06:48 [dima202]: If that's the case you can just write 'root' ;) Apr 21 21:07:09 * MohammadAG makes a script called R which is root Apr 21 21:07:15 3 less characters!!! :P Apr 21 21:07:22 [MohammadAG]: Wow, nice accomplishment :) Apr 21 21:07:23 :) Apr 21 21:07:44 yeah I guess that would work just stick it in /usr/bin Apr 21 21:08:03 One thing i wonder... Apr 21 21:08:06 sudo gainroot is... Apr 21 21:08:06 if [ x$1 = x--use-su ]; then Apr 21 21:08:07 exec su - Apr 21 21:08:08 MohammadAG: alias R to root ? Apr 21 21:08:16 it's possible Apr 21 21:08:16 MohammadAG: it looks kinda like it replaced the whole sudoers file Apr 21 21:08:24 ? Apr 21 21:08:37 for example, my permissions for ping are not there Apr 21 21:08:42 out of curiosity, is it possible to modify the omweather widget? I find it rather large and bulky Apr 21 21:08:44 What did exactly the script do? Apr 21 21:08:45 ping needs root Apr 21 21:08:48 yes Apr 21 21:09:16 ping needs root by default Apr 21 21:09:17 One thing I really don't like is that my name is user and there is no password for user either Apr 21 21:09:32 there is a password, we just don't know it (it can be changed) Apr 21 21:09:38 hurr Apr 21 21:09:55 MohammadAG: i know ping needs root, that's why i put it in sudoers, and after installing your package, it disappeared Apr 21 21:10:05 no idea then Apr 21 21:10:09 it didn't replace anything... Apr 21 21:10:15 then what did it do? :) Apr 21 21:10:20 MohammadAG: oh, so I am basically giving everyone root privelage to anyone on the web to my phone?!!! o.O Apr 21 21:10:25 it only copied the sudoers file and updated sudoers Apr 21 21:10:27 * dima202 types passwd Apr 21 21:10:37 dima202, err, how? Apr 21 21:11:00 LuciusMare_, in case anything bad happens/ed, here's my whole sudoers.d folder Well here's my whole suoders http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/suoders.d.tar.gz Apr 21 21:11:10 oops, wrong link Apr 21 21:11:16 MohammadAG: well if the user's password is known then anyone can simply login to my box as user and default password Apr 21 21:11:31 if you have ssh :P Apr 21 21:11:31 seems pretty dumb to leave a default password?!! Apr 21 21:11:33 http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/sudoers.d.tar.gz Apr 21 21:11:44 dima202, no one knows it Apr 21 21:11:47 and no one will Apr 21 21:11:59 Probably some guy at nokia who knows it? :P Apr 21 21:12:01 MohammadAG: I wish I had your optimizm Apr 21 21:12:12 the password for user cannot be changed Apr 21 21:12:18 so he can take over all N900's and DDOS apples server, lol Apr 21 21:12:31 dima202, you know there are other N900s, I'm sure one of them has more confidential info than yours :P (no offense) Apr 21 21:12:34 lol, ToJa92 as funny as that soudns its true Apr 21 21:12:41 MohammadAG: so your package added a file to my /etc/sudoers, right? Apr 21 21:12:44 what would be the attack vector to logging in? Apr 21 21:12:53 LuciusMare_, yes Apr 21 21:12:59 a su.sudoers file Apr 21 21:13:05 then executed update-sudoers Apr 21 21:13:17 MohammadAG: I have the most sensetive information on mine ... (encrypted ofcours) Apr 21 21:13:26 then why are you worried lol Apr 21 21:13:30 oh, the update-sudoers edited /etc/sudoers, right? Apr 21 21:13:49 LuciusMare_, no, it just refreshes the cached list Apr 21 21:13:59 it's /etc/sudoers.d/ btw Apr 21 21:14:10 MohammadAG: The question is why aren't YOU worried Apr 21 21:14:20 why should I Apr 21 21:14:25 Then what the *HECK* is this line: "user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/su" doing in my /etc/sudoers ? O_o Apr 21 21:15:11 LuciusMare_: probably so that su can run and say "you can't use me" Apr 21 21:15:13 hey lcuk ive implemented the 3 concrete things we came up with yesterday! Apr 21 21:15:16 LuciusMare_, it's in /etc/sudoers.d! Apr 21 21:15:27 so this line was already in my sudoers? Apr 21 21:15:27 (found yet another bug in my friggin config dialog while doing it) Apr 21 21:15:28 frals !!! :D Apr 21 21:15:30 timeless_mbp, actually, he asked me to enable it in a package Apr 21 21:15:34 LuciusMare_, err, no Apr 21 21:15:37 well ssh should deny connections if there is no password ... right? Apr 21 21:15:37 I added it... Apr 21 21:15:42 * lcuk raises a glass to you Apr 21 21:15:49 no, you said you added the file into sudoers.d Apr 21 21:15:56 :/ Apr 21 21:16:01 * frals raises a bottle of vodka to lcuk Apr 21 21:16:11 it's /etc/sudoers.d/su.sudoers Apr 21 21:16:13 dima202: not precisely Apr 21 21:16:20 that's what the package did, period Apr 21 21:16:23 :) ill try to get one of the guys to pass a bottle to you when you go next week frals :) Apr 21 21:16:24 if you have an ssh key, sshd should be happy Apr 21 21:16:29 * MohammadAG drinks the whole bottle Apr 21 21:16:32 yes, but that line *points up* is in my /etc/subversion/ Apr 21 21:16:36 ergh Apr 21 21:16:38 hehe lcuk Apr 21 21:16:47 s/subversion/sudoers/ Apr 21 21:16:48 infact, timeless_mbp if you see frals could you shout him a bottle of vodka etc Apr 21 21:16:56 ill return favour when i next see you Apr 21 21:17:03 * timeless_mbp nods Apr 21 21:17:11 LuciusMare_, did you notice what it says... ### Automatically added by update-sudoers Apr 21 21:17:15 \o/ Apr 21 21:17:31 lcuk, I split the dots :P Apr 21 21:17:48 o Apr 21 21:17:49 it worked once though, when i tried it again it didn't work Apr 21 21:18:07 is there a quick photo sharing via service plugin? where i can upload a pic and it returns URL for the upload? Apr 21 21:18:13 beside using the browser Apr 21 21:18:28 * MohammadAG wants that Apr 21 21:18:29 but no Apr 21 21:18:33 I blame the late night hours... Apr 21 21:19:02 opdf2, agreed - a sensible option for sharing plugins would be to "[ ] put finished url onto clipboard" Apr 21 21:19:07 not late at all, it's still 12:19 AM Apr 21 21:19:15 hah Apr 21 21:19:18 but i don tthink it does now Apr 21 21:19:25 MohammadAG: 11:20 PM Apr 21 21:19:35 lcuk, does the whole sharing thing allow that? Apr 21 21:19:38 lcuk:  yes. i just want to do a quick screenshot post or camera shot Apr 21 21:19:40 i dunno Apr 21 21:19:42 * MohammadAG stamps "Fixed in Harmattan" Apr 21 21:19:49 but its something thought of by a few people that ive seen Apr 21 21:19:57 anyway, thanks, and bye :) Apr 21 21:20:04 it would need to be made available Apr 21 21:20:08 you're welcome Apr 21 21:20:10 and cya Apr 21 21:20:16 and then individual plugins would make use of it Apr 21 21:20:25 so it couldnt change overnight i doubt Apr 21 21:20:30 Hooray for sunshine Apr 21 21:20:31 lcuk, PR1.3 target milestone? :P Apr 21 21:20:45 * MohammadAG wants some snow Apr 21 21:20:46 file a bug about if it there isnt one? Apr 21 21:20:48 or even a cloud Apr 21 21:20:52 /enhancement Apr 21 21:21:04 if you get me the number ill track it Apr 21 21:21:05 dima202: basically there's no such thing like a user without password Apr 21 21:21:25 s/like/as/ Apr 21 21:21:48 dima202: for user the password is a nonexist - i.e you can't enter the correct password Apr 21 21:22:24 DocScrutinizer: oh I see so security through obscurity Apr 21 21:22:26 and that's the 'default' password for user Apr 21 21:22:47 dima202: no, you CAN NOT enter the correct password Apr 21 21:23:07 DocScrutinizer: oh alright. I just hope you are right and this can't be exploited Apr 21 21:23:19 lol Apr 21 21:23:31 heh, I managed to kill apt-worker Apr 21 21:23:47 ham doesn't work now Apr 21 21:23:51 dima202: It's done this way on almost all unix systems since 1970 Apr 21 21:24:50 TomaszD, restart it, it will work again :) Apr 21 21:25:09 yeah, it works niw Apr 21 21:25:10 now Apr 21 21:25:12 MohammadAG, lcuk: it should be able to do that as you can make the sharing plugin do a lot of things Apr 21 21:25:37 (but bastard wont start your command until you have an internet connection for some silly reason :<) Apr 21 21:25:43 dima202: look to /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow, you see all those 'yxcd:*:...' Apr 21 21:26:02 frals sure - but it needs to be made into a documented part of the plugin api/specification and individual plugins then need to fill in the fields Apr 21 21:26:04 has anyone seen fiferboy lately? Apr 21 21:26:17 its a low hanging fruit tweak to existing system Apr 21 21:26:27 dima202: the '*' is what your password had to yield by the encoding algo Apr 21 21:26:30 that gives one of those nice touches to people who share a lot Apr 21 21:27:02 TomaszD, he was in #meego earlier Apr 21 21:27:02 lcuk, personally I need it for screenshots Apr 21 21:27:07 thx Apr 21 21:27:24 dima202: there's no password that'll create a '*' by crypt() Apr 21 21:28:08 so - find or file me a bug report for it so i can keep an eye on it Apr 21 21:28:09 i user :!:29999:29999:: Apr 21 21:28:19 ok like Apr 21 21:28:21 no term? Apr 21 21:28:21 I dont see a * Apr 21 21:28:22 :) Apr 21 21:28:27 i'm looking for it but can't seem to find it Apr 21 21:28:55 :29999:29999:: here, but loads more before it that I won't paste :) Apr 21 21:29:00 dima202: '!' is similar Apr 21 21:29:34 DocScrutinizer:and i don't see a /etc/shadow Apr 21 21:29:42 no need to. Apr 21 21:30:05 dima202: shadow is for multiuser systems Apr 21 21:30:15 wtf Apr 21 21:30:24 do i need to add a repo or something to install a terminal? :) Apr 21 21:30:41 err what?? Apr 21 21:30:42 Macer: no its in your thing in menu Apr 21 21:31:00 oh Apr 21 21:31:03 oops Apr 21 21:31:06 :) Apr 21 21:31:15 I wonder how quick the menu will open on PR1.2 Apr 21 21:31:53 btw, I have seen no need to overclock the device remember I was so pro overclocking? I'm anti-overclocking now Apr 21 21:32:35 how comes? Apr 21 21:32:44 because i see no need for it .. at all Apr 21 21:33:00 it's so smooth and capable even at stock settings Apr 21 21:33:14 ok Apr 21 21:33:21 hm. Apr 21 21:33:35 whats the best term font? Apr 21 21:33:40 default Apr 21 21:33:47 I lowered the font size Apr 21 21:34:20 i hate the default Apr 21 21:34:26 Droid Fonts then Apr 21 21:34:28 ;) Apr 21 21:34:32 hahaha Apr 21 21:34:43 hehe, I like the default, although I might play around with it Apr 21 21:34:49 one of the top ones is pretty good Apr 21 21:34:59 but seriously, terminal doesn't need to look pretty :) Apr 21 21:35:16 as someone suggests in the "Make apps prettier" thread Apr 21 21:35:22 the word pretty is weird too Apr 21 21:35:23 dima202: the only time I see a lag is on flash intensive site but hopefully upcoming flash 10 H/W acceleration with GPU will see to that without me needing to overclock Apr 21 21:35:55 mayfairman: I just let the flash finish loading and then start watching while I do something else Apr 21 21:36:10 well Apr 21 21:36:12 mayfairman: if it loads 100% I see no problems at all Apr 21 21:36:21 term is pretty good Apr 21 21:36:27 We could make terminal use Comic Sans Apr 21 21:36:27 dima202: fair enough ;) Apr 21 21:36:29 That'd be pretty Apr 21 21:36:32 functional at least Apr 21 21:36:45 the kb kind of sucks Apr 21 21:36:50 Macer: I wish for tabbing on x term Apr 21 21:39:29 yeah Apr 21 21:39:39 that would be cool Apr 21 21:39:50 Tab is on n900 for xterm Apr 21 21:39:59 Sym+8 Apr 21 21:40:02 er Apr 21 21:40:12 he means tabbing Apr 21 21:40:31 as in window tabs? Apr 21 21:40:41 or as in line completes? Apr 21 21:41:44 window tabs Apr 21 21:42:08 ah, lol, ok ;) Apr 21 21:44:16 well Apr 21 21:44:27 let me find skype Apr 21 21:44:59 Conversations > Tap title > Accounts Apr 21 21:46:21 wow really Apr 21 21:46:40 its integrated in telepathy? Apr 21 21:46:45 lcuk: sharing plugins funal url onto cluipboard ++ Apr 21 21:47:00 Macer: yes, as (closed source) telepathy-spirit Apr 21 21:47:53 as in simply seeing tabs in x term as a single app Apr 21 21:48:24 yeah, my bad dima Apr 21 21:48:43 but i'm guessing there might be memory issues and if one froze the whole app would freeze Apr 21 21:48:45 ok... Apr 21 21:49:00 how do i make a skype call now? Apr 21 21:49:04 Phone app Apr 21 21:49:14 Or read the manual :P Apr 21 21:49:16 skype? pfft.. Use real sip Apr 21 21:49:18 lol Apr 21 21:49:42 Go to settings> VoIP and IM accounts Apr 21 21:49:59 he already set it up... Apr 21 21:50:00 once you have set-up skype will be integrated with contacts Apr 21 21:50:01 does anyone know if the swedish chef from the muppet could pronounce the name of the volcano? Apr 21 21:50:06 muppets Apr 21 21:50:11 lol Apr 21 21:50:17 give you option of text, call skype and skype im Apr 21 21:50:26 yeah Apr 21 21:50:38 me and tracy have just been trying to here and it devolved into impressions of him involving exploding chickens Apr 21 21:50:50 the skype contacts dont go into your contacts? Apr 21 21:50:58 Macer, they do Apr 21 21:51:00 lcuk, XD Apr 21 21:51:02 yeah Apr 21 21:51:08 hm Apr 21 21:51:24 and you can also call non-skype contacts through skype call from thier contact card Apr 21 21:51:50 MohammadAG: the landline contacts do not Apr 21 21:51:54 only the skype based contacts Apr 21 21:52:01 Macer, umm Apr 21 21:52:05 tap the title bar Apr 21 21:52:09 select Groups Apr 21 21:52:12 select skype Apr 21 21:52:17 (I noticed this last week) Apr 21 21:52:20 tap the title bar Apr 21 21:52:22 in groups? Apr 21 21:52:27 er.. phone? Apr 21 21:52:28 you'll get skype specific settings Apr 21 21:52:34 all contacts have skype call option with me Apr 21 21:52:36 Macer, contacts > tap title > groups Apr 21 21:52:44 then skype and tap the title bar Apr 21 21:52:50 you'll get a lot of skype related stuff Apr 21 21:52:56 (such as searching for contacts) Apr 21 21:54:20 yeah Apr 21 21:54:22 got it.. awesome Apr 21 21:54:27 i can import the contacts through skype :) Apr 21 21:55:00 timeless_mbp, ping Apr 21 21:55:06 i just hope the portrait stuff starts to get worked on Apr 21 21:55:15 this landscape only for 90% of the stuff kind of sucks Apr 21 21:55:17 it's been confirmed not to come Apr 21 21:55:26 check out gpodder for an example of portrait goodness ;) Apr 21 21:55:26 * MohammadAG likes it Apr 21 21:55:52 It taught me how to type in portrait using a landscape keyboard (can achieve good speeds) Apr 21 21:56:16 comfirmed not to come? Apr 21 21:56:20 yes Apr 21 21:56:22 Naah - 1.2 unlocks the secret hinge. Apr 21 21:56:29 wtf? :) that is kind of silly Apr 21 21:56:32 SpeedEvil, lol, not for all packages Apr 21 21:56:33 dima202: see 'man crypt' - the password you type is converted to (at least) 12 characters drawn from the set [a–zA–Z0–9./], this crypted string then is stored to /etc/passwd after first ":". You can't enter a password that would result in whatever single char crypted string Apr 21 21:56:34 The keyboard piviots 90 degrees too Apr 21 21:56:36 Macer, it's not... Apr 21 21:56:39 LOL Apr 21 21:56:42 i could understand some things Apr 21 21:56:45 but the desktop :) Apr 21 21:56:46 that sucks heh Apr 21 21:56:52 Macer, it doesn't... Apr 21 21:57:16 anyways everyone knows it was confirmed not to come Apr 21 21:58:23 MohammadAG: yes it does ;) Apr 21 21:58:31 dima202: so no matter if there's :x:, :*:, :!:, or :: - you can't authenticate to this account via password Apr 21 21:58:34 hmm, a nano-2.0.7 package Apr 21 21:58:44 someone will work on it Apr 21 21:58:46 I wonder what that is Apr 21 21:58:46 i bet Apr 21 21:58:48 heh Apr 21 21:58:52 I doubt it Apr 21 21:58:56 it may not come officially but someone will work on it Apr 21 21:59:03 Not in fremantle Apr 21 21:59:12 at least till some stuff gets opened up Apr 21 21:59:17 heh Apr 21 21:59:18 maybe mer, but not fremantle Apr 21 21:59:34 dima202: HTH to make you sleep without nightmares ;-D Apr 21 21:59:42 ol Apr 21 21:59:44 lol* Apr 21 21:59:47 well.. i think it's a bad idea to keep it landscape only Apr 21 22:00:00 it's been landscape only since maemo 1 Apr 21 22:00:21 (it wasn't called maemo 1 was it?) Apr 21 22:00:22 yeah but... it is the first time it's on an actual phone Apr 21 22:00:35 how does gpodder do it then? Apr 21 22:00:37 just came back reading Apr 21 22:00:44 ;) Apr 21 22:00:48 mayfairman, it's developed with portrait support Apr 21 22:00:56 is frals around for a quick queston Apr 21 22:00:59 Maemo wasn't developed with portrait support Apr 21 22:01:17 MohammadAG: someone will do it Apr 21 22:01:17 OK, cheers Apr 21 22:01:22 i'll be you money ;) Apr 21 22:01:27 bet Apr 21 22:01:36 your bet is in the logs Apr 21 22:01:45 my desktop would look honky in portrait anyways Apr 21 22:01:47 yes I'm pessimistic Apr 21 22:01:51 DocScrutinizer: Alright, thanks Doc. I believe you are correct Apr 21 22:01:53 :) Apr 21 22:02:28 haha Apr 21 22:02:57 mayfairman, define honky Apr 21 22:03:27 lol, nasty and wierd Apr 21 22:05:04 which part would be weird Apr 21 22:05:48 qwerty12 wants me to suffer lol Apr 21 22:05:48 lcuk: fix fremantle Apr 21 22:05:52 to go into portrait mode Apr 21 22:05:53 :-P Apr 21 22:05:55 well having been used to the iPhone portrait, it took me a while to get used to the landscape mode, but I wouldnt go back now, it seems much more intuitive Apr 21 22:06:13 downloaded the status menu applet source code and it's in vala Apr 21 22:06:16 For a few things portrait is clearly better Apr 21 22:06:16 i just think the desktop itself looks wrong Apr 21 22:06:23 being in landscape Apr 21 22:06:24 :) Apr 21 22:06:42 like contacts? Apr 21 22:06:43 otherwise would just be another grid list of icons Apr 21 22:06:57 hello. does anyone know if I can install or is there any openOffice version for Maemo 5 - the version for smartphones? Apr 21 22:07:04 macer this isnt about doing anything, im just wondering which part would be "wrong" Apr 21 22:07:16 apps should be able to go portrait, and desktop as an option, defo Apr 21 22:07:31 mayfairman: i agree Apr 21 22:07:35 especially contacts Apr 21 22:07:36 haha Apr 21 22:07:40 lol Apr 21 22:07:43 people want to grab a phone Apr 21 22:07:45 and talk Apr 21 22:07:52 I don't. Apr 21 22:07:54 Macer, open phone and select select a contact Apr 21 22:07:54 they have to hold it sideways.. then fli it Apr 21 22:07:57 flip? :) Apr 21 22:08:07 lcuk: I didnt mean wrong as in wrong, just my set-up would not work in portrait in any way from a desktop POV Apr 21 22:08:13 Macer, no, the phone app supports portrait + portrait contacts Apr 21 22:08:25 it's not meant to be a main phone anyways Apr 21 22:08:28 MohammadAG: yeah i see that... but the actual contacts does not :) Apr 21 22:08:35 I've spent ~.005% of the time talking on it Apr 21 22:08:38 I bought it since I really don't talk much, and I love linux Apr 21 22:08:43 SpeedEvil, same :) Apr 21 22:09:05 macer: if you set portrait phone mode on, you can go into select contact and they will be portrait Apr 21 22:09:08 well recently I started making convo (conferences) on skype Apr 21 22:09:12 but that's about it Apr 21 22:09:24 mayfairman, didn't I say that a whole back? Apr 21 22:09:31 s/whole/while Apr 21 22:09:40 with a nifty alphabetical selector as the KB will not be out, obviously, lol Apr 21 22:09:45 bah, portrait mode. Just use rotated-left-90 fontset ;-P Apr 21 22:10:01 Sorry, was attending to nagging child Apr 21 22:10:08 ah DocScrutinizer, you've got a solution to everything :P Apr 21 22:12:15 * MohammadAG seriously needs a better laptop Apr 21 22:12:20 or a bigger HDD Apr 21 22:12:25 SpeedEvil: you've been watching the screen in portrait mode and cursed the missing rotate-left-90 fonts, during those 0.005% of talking? Apr 21 22:12:54 DocScrutinizer: no. I was getting over the shock of my internet device making this wierd ringing noise. Apr 21 22:13:34 damn noise, now it feels even more bad when I feel the urge to smash it when it rings Apr 21 22:13:36 MohammadAG: yeah Apr 21 22:13:43 well, I for one have no eyes inside my ears X-P Apr 21 22:13:45 i think it's just the feel of looking at a desktop on a phone Apr 21 22:13:52 and wanting to grab it vertically and see the widgets Apr 21 22:13:56 :) Apr 21 22:14:09 when you pull it out of your pocket it is easier to just stare at it Apr 21 22:14:32 insteda you have to put too much though behind it and sure it only takes a second.. but that's a second of life wasted if you just wanted to check the time or the weather Apr 21 22:14:42 lol Apr 21 22:15:11 Macer, :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Apr 21 22:15:20 right, my Lost is ready, pleasure chatting with you guys Apr 21 22:16:41 lcuk: that.. is .. awesome Apr 21 22:16:44 is that for maemo or mer? Apr 21 22:16:49 :) Apr 21 22:16:59 now that is something that would make for an awesome desktop Apr 21 22:17:09 always able to be read no matter where the phone is heh Apr 21 22:17:16 thats liqbase rendering, im trying to work out where and how and what to deal in other places Apr 21 22:17:23 Macer: this lost second only happens to me when a call comes in and I need to rotate the device to read who's calling :-) Apr 21 22:17:36 DocScrutinizer: yeah that's a bad one too Apr 21 22:17:41 I set it to portrait only Apr 21 22:17:42 i thought that was horrible haha Apr 21 22:17:54 when a call comes I know the orientation :) Apr 21 22:18:17 I still want the N97 answer screen Apr 21 22:18:28 ------> Answer Apr 21 22:18:34 Unlock <--------- Apr 21 22:18:39 MohammadAG: where do you set that? Apr 21 22:18:40 Macer, do you have windows pc there? Apr 21 22:18:48 doesn't the phone app auto rotate? Apr 21 22:18:52 I want dialer in landscape unconditionally Apr 21 22:18:55 Macer, phone app, settings, set orientation Apr 21 22:18:57 i could have sworn i saw an option for that Apr 21 22:19:02 DocScrutinizer, open the keyboard :P Apr 21 22:19:37 now THAT's annoying when pulling out of the belt pouch Apr 21 22:19:40 i don't see that Apr 21 22:19:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTj3d148UI Apr 21 22:19:54 macer, if you do - i always wanted to fill this with widgets and windows: http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.exe Apr 21 22:19:59 i'm sorry. i just can't go with you on that it's a computer with a phone crap ;) Apr 21 22:20:04 not having the portrait stuff sucks ass Apr 21 22:20:05 haha Apr 21 22:20:20 that is just horrible design and i can't agree with you on that one Apr 21 22:20:27 your ass Apr 21 22:20:28 :) no offense Apr 21 22:20:33 not mine Apr 21 22:20:41 Macer, tap the title bar, select turning control Apr 21 22:20:46 i did already Apr 21 22:20:49 but i'm talking overall Apr 21 22:21:05 forcing the desktop in landscape saying "this is how a PHONE is going to be" that was a bad idea Apr 21 22:21:13 I'm talking underwear Apr 21 22:21:24 it wasn't made to be a phone Apr 21 22:21:27 hence no MMS Apr 21 22:21:34 DocScrutinizer: I just made alarmed support presets both in cli and gui. wont release now though because I don't want to have to explain all the new readers of that thread again how to install it atm now that the repos are broken. not sure if that recent fix fixed the pyside packages as well. Apr 21 22:21:48 hmm Apr 21 22:21:53 MohammadAG: it wasn't meant to be a phone? :) Apr 21 22:21:56 what would happen if I call myself through skype Apr 21 22:22:06 Macer, it never was meant to be a phone Apr 21 22:22:30 but it is Apr 21 22:22:39 doesn't matter what it was never meant to be Apr 21 22:22:42 :) Apr 21 22:22:43 ok... Apr 21 22:22:45 you bought it Apr 21 22:22:49 your problem :P Apr 21 22:22:59 Shapeshifter: so hold it till jorg's labs are up and functional again, and it got a decent review :-) Apr 21 22:23:00 well its in our hands now :) Apr 21 22:23:01 * MohammadAG subscribes to lcuk's channel Apr 21 22:23:03 sure is.. like i said tho.. eventually i think it will be fixed Apr 21 22:23:12 :) MohammadAG Apr 21 22:23:14 because that was a horrible decision by whomever made it Apr 21 22:23:27 it will be a turn off to many consumers Apr 21 22:23:33 moving away from this conversation... Apr 21 22:23:40 MohammadAG i thought you knew some of the uber things ive done over my time and things ive tested along the way Apr 21 22:24:01 lcuk, sadly, I never was in the community pre-N900 times Apr 21 22:24:06 lcuk: get that liq thing going on the desktop ;) that would be awesome Apr 21 22:24:10 I never knew maemo was linux Apr 21 22:24:13 that rotation app was great Apr 21 22:24:21 actually, I never knew what maemo was Apr 21 22:24:22 Macer, original n810 version of liqbase has physics view Apr 21 22:24:25 if you can make a desktop do that it would be awesome Apr 21 22:24:26 all it ever lacked was rotate Apr 21 22:24:34 it does exactly what that mini app does Apr 21 22:24:40 wow Apr 21 22:24:41 dragging scaling etc Apr 21 22:24:44 I thought the N810 run a Java OS or something Apr 21 22:24:54 I was blinded by Symbian Apr 21 22:25:58 now Macer i have just been a bit busy recently - im trying to build nice things using proper tooling and stuff Apr 21 22:26:02 or android? Apr 21 22:26:15 lcuk: well let me know when you get something like that going ;) Apr 21 22:26:16 only things I miss from the N97 are the keyboard hinge thing, and the button on the headset Apr 21 22:26:20 I can live without them Apr 21 22:26:25 Macer, i think everyone will know :) Apr 21 22:26:27 it would be so nice to have a desktop that can be put in portrait mode without looking retarded Apr 21 22:27:05 indeed, its something ive discussed quite a bit, but the code is different, work in progress so to speak Apr 21 22:27:27 MohammadAG: hs button?? Apr 21 22:27:54 macer that windows exe is built in visual basic! Apr 21 22:27:55 DocScrutinizer, volume, next prev track, and a pause button Apr 21 22:28:02 aaah that one Apr 21 22:28:05 the liqbase stuff is native raw c Apr 21 22:28:14 im getting quite fond of pyqt at the moment Apr 21 22:28:14 but again, I can live without them Apr 21 22:28:28 didn't qwerty12 make an app that makes the end button a pause button? Apr 21 22:29:09 MohammadAG: what I really miss is a decent voicedial&cmd Apr 21 22:29:26 voice dial was kind of useless for me (names aren' Apr 21 22:29:27 lcuk: well.. hopefully someone fixed that landscape only idiocy :) like i said. MohammadAG is entitled to his opinion but as far as a phone goes that is bad business sense.. i can honestly live without it if necessary but if anybody asked me how good an n900 is i would tell them that it doesn't go into portrat mode Apr 21 22:29:34 t clear in english) Apr 21 22:29:35 and i bet money they will not buy it for that fact alone :) Apr 21 22:29:37 damn enter key Apr 21 22:29:41 DocScrutinizer, cmd? Apr 21 22:29:46 ah nvm, voice command Apr 21 22:29:47 Macer, yes its known Apr 21 22:29:50 DocScrutinizer: it got a review? Apr 21 22:29:53 but the reasoning MohammadAG gave is sound Apr 21 22:30:02 the history of the maemo devices is landscape Apr 21 22:30:10 but they weren't actual phones Apr 21 22:30:12 this is Apr 21 22:30:14 it must adapt :) Apr 21 22:30:23 Macer, well when someone asked me if he should get an N900 I told him to get an iPhone Apr 21 22:30:24 therefore pretty much every app for it is geared for it - there have been long discussions already Apr 21 22:30:27 of course Apr 21 22:30:32 (not kidding btw) Apr 21 22:30:46 you can't build an awesome phone with great hardware and an awesome OS that could rival an iphone and make mistakes like that turning it off large demographic Apr 21 22:30:52 problem is, next week he got the N900 and wanted me to add 5 extra desktops Apr 21 22:30:58 Shapeshifter: it'll get one, as soon as my device is back in my shivering hands Apr 21 22:30:58 MohammadAG: yes. i would do the same thing ;) Apr 21 22:31:09 DocScrutinizer: ;) Apr 21 22:31:14 poor bastard Apr 21 22:31:21 i would say "no get an iphone.. this isn't the same thing.." but i would make it a point to show him how it doesn't go into portrait mode and tell them i don't like that about it Apr 21 22:31:26 Macer, btw I didn't say that cause the iPhone is better Apr 21 22:31:28 Macer, its not turned you off - its a hackers dream device :) Apr 21 22:31:44 it's cause I know he'll annoy me with stuff about it Apr 21 22:31:49 MohammadAG: i don't think the iphone is better tbh ;) Apr 21 22:31:54 it isn't Apr 21 22:32:00 a friend bought one Apr 21 22:32:05 he told me it was over hyped Apr 21 22:32:16 went into the so called app store Apr 21 22:32:19 most apps are paid Apr 21 22:32:22 it is.. my gf had one a while back and it was meh Apr 21 22:32:25 and 3/4 are fart apps Apr 21 22:32:33 i mean it was nice eye candy and great for people who only read email and browse the web Apr 21 22:32:36 MohammadAG, come on, its not that bad Apr 21 22:32:43 well 1/4 Apr 21 22:32:46 lcuk, it is Apr 21 22:32:46 but real use is not that good for someone expecting a handheld computer :) Apr 21 22:32:50 n900 is great Apr 21 22:32:51 well at least the IL store Apr 21 22:32:55 not even that - choice variety Apr 21 22:32:56 not sure about the US/UK ones Apr 21 22:32:57 but that landscape only thing is a major turn off Apr 21 22:32:59 heh Apr 21 22:33:07 anyways. going to tweak it a bit more Apr 21 22:33:11 lcuk, one question, how are 18+ allowed on it? Apr 21 22:33:11 ttyl Apr 21 22:33:17 ? Apr 21 22:33:19 cya :) Apr 21 22:33:23 lcuk, the app store Apr 21 22:33:39 there are about 10 18+ apps in the top list Apr 21 22:33:55 ? i dunno Apr 21 22:34:17 I was kind of surprised Apr 21 22:34:36 (not making fun), but a lot of young kids buy iPhones Apr 21 22:36:12 a lot of kids lie about hteir age then Apr 21 22:36:22 lol Apr 21 22:36:25 i thought apple had strict controls on AO stuff Apr 21 22:36:28 their Apr 21 22:36:31 yeah Apr 21 22:36:49 I guess IL has different policies (w/e they're called) Apr 21 22:36:58 sec lemme get a name of an app Apr 21 22:38:07 found it Apr 21 22:38:20 MohammadAG, im vanishing Apr 21 22:38:28 to keep logs clean I /noticed it Apr 21 22:38:50 lcuk, off to bed? Apr 21 22:39:16 * Frequent/Intense Mature/Suggestive Themes Apr 21 22:39:16 * Frequent/Intense Sexual Content or Nudity Apr 21 22:39:16 * Frequent/Intense Profanity or Crude Humor Apr 21 22:39:18 * javispedro knows at least one person to whom he recommended an iphone but got an n900 instead and was impressed by it -- the browser specially Apr 21 22:39:25 no wonder its top of the list Apr 21 22:39:30 but i tohught iphone banned that? Apr 21 22:39:37 Macer: do me a favour and abandon that portrait topic now! Apr 21 22:39:40 that's what I'm asking about Apr 21 22:39:41 s/iphone/brand X feature phone Apr 21 22:40:05 There is no skype with camera support for maemo 5 correct? Apr 21 22:40:08 lcuk, anyone can sign up for the app store Apr 21 22:40:12 dima202, no Apr 21 22:40:24 DocScrutinizer, we had. Apr 21 22:40:32 (but the account needs a windows/mac to PC to be activated) Apr 21 22:40:35 it had moved onto mature suggestive themes Apr 21 22:43:44 anyway, im offski Apr 21 22:43:54 gnite maemo \o Apr 21 22:43:59 dima202: but there's *decent* voip with cam support Apr 21 22:44:00 Gnite lcuk Apr 21 22:44:09 dima202: called SIP Apr 21 22:45:33 :) Apr 21 22:46:15 I have free sip using gvoice with sipsorcery and sipgate Apr 21 22:46:48 But thats for voice only Apr 21 22:49:25 nah, sipgate etc are only the exchange, you can do video-SIP with virtually every provider, given the far end has a compatible video implementation Apr 21 22:50:16 <_hc> hey all, I'm still on a Nokia N810, I was wondering whether anyone knows a way to make it so that new instant messages automatically open up a new window, rather than just putting the alert in the lower left corner Apr 21 22:50:42 DocScrutinizer: very interesting! Apr 21 22:50:59 But how can I tell SIP i am making a video call? Apr 21 22:55:58 * DocScrutinizer thought there's been a videocall button in dialer or sth like that? Apr 21 22:57:34 or maybe it simply always tries to establish a RTP videostream in parallel to the VoIP RTP audio? Apr 21 22:59:07 * DocScrutinizer curses flimsy flat plastic main cable and/or wacky B2B connector Apr 21 23:00:59 t Apr 21 23:14:18 hi Apr 21 23:15:48 i just bought my n900 and i have stumble already. i cannot see what i type in password boxes. i have done all the latest updates. can i get help here?... thanks Apr 21 23:17:12 unfortunately, it's a 'feature' - you mean in the browser? Apr 21 23:17:44 yes in the browser the password box only show stars.... thanks Apr 21 23:18:15 i cant log in to im or websites Apr 21 23:18:49 not actually displaying your password is expected behavior, no? Apr 21 23:19:49 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6598 Apr 21 23:19:50 Bug 6598: Browser should display passwords one character at a time like other applications Apr 21 23:19:51 see that Apr 21 23:19:54 on my n97 i can see what i type for a brief period then replace by a star but not so on n900 Apr 21 23:19:59 ahh Apr 21 23:20:00 microlith: yes - but it's broken Apr 21 23:20:12 microlith: it makes arguable sense on a desktop. Lots less on a phone Apr 21 23:20:54 nokeya_ mine seems to show passwd as i type it then turns to stars Apr 21 23:20:55 aha Apr 21 23:21:05 that bug claims it's fixed in 1.2 Apr 21 23:21:20 which is coming out real soon now Apr 21 23:21:45 yeah sure Apr 21 23:21:56 hhhmmmmm so that means that i cant login in to nothing till the fix arrives Apr 21 23:22:25 500 bucks on a phone that cant login to anything Apr 21 23:22:38 man... tell me this is not true Apr 21 23:22:40 please Apr 21 23:23:22 I'd say pebcak, honestly Apr 21 23:23:27 type correctly? Apr 21 23:24:06 nokeya_, where are you typing password into Apr 21 23:24:13 lol what Apr 21 23:24:19 how do you guys login in to stuff like FB, msn, sites ? Apr 21 23:24:21 nokeya_: I find no great problem typing passwords with numbers, letters, and caps in Apr 21 23:24:36 i type my password in, its not rocket science to use the keyboard Apr 21 23:24:41 nokeya_: it is a bit fiddly, and you do actually have to take care, but it's quite possible Apr 21 23:24:58 nokeya_, you are more than likely having a problem because the default text input is set to auto capitalize the first letter Apr 21 23:24:59 nokeya_: what's your facebook password? Apr 21 23:25:00 geuss i newer noticed an issue then Apr 21 23:25:01 oh Apr 21 23:25:03 yeah - that Apr 21 23:25:03 thanks speedevil Apr 21 23:25:06 I mean - what sort Apr 21 23:25:08 ahahahahaha Apr 21 23:25:10 ok Apr 21 23:25:12 sorry Apr 21 23:25:15 do you have wierd symbols? Apr 21 23:25:18 mix case Apr 21 23:25:27 10 char¤ long Apr 21 23:25:37 characters Apr 21 23:25:43 nokeya_, in the Settings, you can set "Auto-capitalization" in the text settings Apr 21 23:25:49 though the aute cap the first letter drives me nuts sometimes when i forget bout it Apr 21 23:25:55 it is most likely making you type a capital letter at first Apr 21 23:25:59 its the default behaviour Apr 21 23:26:04 thnx lcuk Apr 21 23:26:07 i have it disabled Apr 21 23:26:12 but other shave it on Apr 21 23:26:15 i will in a moment Apr 21 23:26:22 others have Apr 21 23:26:30 I've never hit a mis-typed password due to autocaps Apr 21 23:27:20 u guys must be real good to type passwrod blind...... my e90, n95, n95 spoilt me Apr 21 23:27:34 typo "password" Apr 21 23:27:42 I do it every day on my desktop machines... Apr 21 23:28:05 desktop is not the same though Apr 21 23:28:28 slightly different key order, but essentially the same Apr 21 23:28:30 numbers and letters have their own dedicated keys Apr 21 23:28:38 its fun with special keys Apr 21 23:28:44 nokeya_, you seem to have trouble typing anyway Apr 21 23:28:45 :p Apr 21 23:28:59 http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-lightning-the-ultimate-windows-phone-7-device-leaks-out/ Apr 21 23:29:02 hahahahahahahaha thx lcuk Apr 21 23:29:16 shove maemo on it and I'll buy it now Apr 21 23:29:32 now that Apr 21 23:29:34 is a bad keyboard Apr 21 23:30:05 MohammadAG: isn't that basically an N900? Apr 21 23:30:15 with double the RAM :) Apr 21 23:30:31 and a compass (but seriously, do I need one) Apr 21 23:30:45 yeah, and sans the DSP Apr 21 23:31:03 ok thx for the help guys im gonna go "typing blind training" ................ i love n900 to much be be here with you lot............ till my next problem... peace Apr 21 23:31:45 I wonder if that thing's OLED is a PenTile display Apr 21 23:32:01 nokeya_, you could just stick around Apr 21 23:32:09 and help the next person who comes in typing blind :p Apr 21 23:33:04 doh i know what i forgot to add to the ux improvement list Apr 21 23:33:25 need button to take the log file and mail it to me from within the ui with one press Apr 21 23:33:46 "fullscreen photograph of *FAVORITE_CELEB*" Apr 21 23:33:46 no worries i leave it logged in....... ill check in from time to time.....thx again Apr 21 23:34:10 email not always available - but a sub submission would be practical Apr 21 23:34:27 or even just do the copy and put it onto clipboard Apr 21 23:34:51 could put up a form on my webserver where it can upload it Apr 21 23:35:01 and ill just make it upload it from within the app hmm Apr 21 23:35:33 frals, its easier to understand users having net access than it is to have mail subsystem configured Apr 21 23:35:40 when I type in my password all I see is stars Apr 21 23:35:42 Hunder2 Apr 21 23:35:45 Hunter2 Apr 21 23:35:48 afterall - one of the use cases for mms in the first places was - dont like email Apr 21 23:35:53 see it's just all ******** Apr 21 23:36:14 ye lcuk Apr 21 23:37:25 * lcuk uses **** as password in some places Apr 21 23:37:28 time to figure out how to get something out of strace now then to see what my daemon is doing Apr 21 23:38:25 http://bash.org/?244321 Apr 21 23:44:38 GeneralAntilles: did you HL me yesterday? Apr 21 23:45:14 so, if strace doesnt print anything, my app should be pretty idle right? Apr 21 23:46:12 just means it doesn't make any system calls that strace monitors Apr 21 23:50:59 frals: tried ltrace? Apr 21 23:51:29 crashanddie: will do, thanks Apr 21 23:54:55 bloody hell Apr 21 23:55:01 nearly all flights are resuming in Europe Apr 21 23:55:13 except for fucking Qantas, who are still not allowing planes to take off Apr 21 23:55:27 hm Apr 21 23:55:30 is ther a video recording app? Apr 21 23:55:46 Macer: the camera app records video Apr 21 23:55:52 hm Apr 21 23:55:58 i was looking where you set it but can't find it Apr 21 23:56:08 doesn't the N900 come with a manual? Apr 21 23:56:10 second icon Apr 21 23:56:11 oh Apr 21 23:56:13 found it :) Apr 21 23:56:25 MohammadAG: i got it for $200 without one Apr 21 23:56:34 everything brand new except the manual was gone Apr 21 23:58:21 crashanddie: i have a feeling ltrace did not enjoy being attached to a python script Apr 21 23:58:34 Macer, excuses excuses excuses... http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf Apr 21 23:59:23 frals: right Apr 22 00:00:08 haha Apr 22 00:00:20 love the lens cover :) Apr 22 00:00:22 nice touch heh Apr 22 00:00:50 other than that landscape only mode for 90% of everything.. it's the best damn phone ever :) Apr 22 00:00:53 heh Apr 22 00:01:42 landscape only > phone randomly switching modes when you slightly tilt it Apr 22 00:03:50 have a threshold setting ;) Apr 22 00:04:10 that video lcuk showed me was awesome Apr 22 00:04:24 i wouldn't mind eveything on teh desktop pointing up all the time no matter what position the phone is in :) Apr 22 00:06:07 but at least being able to change the desktop from landscape would be nice.. even if it were just a checkbox option.. the phone ringing sideways is fail :) Apr 22 00:06:43 Macer: it's not about treshold Apr 22 00:06:48 Macer: it's about precision Apr 22 00:07:09 and most people don't put their phone in their pocket sideways when they want to just glance at it for something Apr 22 00:07:41 Macer: the phone doesn't ring sideways, it rings in landscape when the keyboard is open, and in portrait when keyboard is closed Apr 22 00:07:42 other than that though. it's the best damn thing ever :) Apr 22 00:07:57 oooooh... ok.. then i am sorry. Apr 22 00:08:02 yada yada yada, blog about it Apr 22 00:08:06 heh Apr 22 00:08:07 benh: g'day Apr 22 00:08:30 hi Apr 22 00:08:36 still would like a portrait desktop for glancing and flip when kb opens.. screw it.. let me file a bug hahahaha Apr 22 00:08:54 Macer: there's already plenty of bugs Apr 22 00:09:06 Macer: please don't start flooding the bugtacker with useless requests 6 months after the battle Apr 22 00:10:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zoxx2hnIK0&NR=1 Apr 22 00:10:13 that looks like it would be handy Apr 22 00:11:02 ah so there was a concensus huh? that sucks. :/ Apr 22 00:11:51 Holly sugar Apr 22 00:11:52 if you want something that flips between portrait and landscape a lot I'll sell you my n97 Apr 22 00:12:11 ;) Apr 22 00:12:18 MSFT stands at $275 billion. AAPL stands at $234 billion. Apr 22 00:12:24 not really flips .. but a setting woud be nice Apr 22 00:12:51 i'm going to get aircrack-ng and test it on the work wifi Apr 22 00:12:53 lol Apr 22 00:13:03 there's no packet injection Apr 22 00:16:37 crashanddie: cant you plugin a external adapter using usb host mode? assuming that the adapter supports packet injection. Apr 22 00:16:51 parim: there is no usb host mode. Apr 22 00:16:56 cool, i just tried the remote control (qtirreco) it works great Apr 22 00:17:15 I had to combine 2 remote codes to make it work for my tv because my model was not listed Apr 22 00:17:28 But the fact that it works is pretty cool Apr 22 00:18:01 Wish it had an infrared receiver to record codes for my no-name amplifier Apr 22 00:18:20 dima202: it has receiver Apr 22 00:18:25 one interesting thing i learned this morning: apparently in Michigan it is illegal to connect to a public wireless access point provided by a business or resident unless he/she is in the building providing the wireless service LOL Apr 22 00:18:35 crashanddie: i know :( Apr 22 00:18:41 b-man17: wait, what? Apr 22 00:19:06 dima202: why unhappy? It does have a receiver! Apr 22 00:19:19 crashanddie: nope on tranciever Apr 22 00:19:21 b-man17, and he/she refers to the person providing the wireless service, or to the person using the wireless service? Apr 22 00:19:26 only* Apr 22 00:19:28 crashanddie: in michigan it is apparently illegal to tap onto a public access point unless your in the building providing it xD Apr 22 00:19:38 b-man17: ridiculous Apr 22 00:19:50 crashanddie: indeed! Apr 22 00:20:00 * b-man17 is glad he lives in ohio xD Apr 22 00:20:31 b-man17: lol, but what about packet sniffing and injection attacks? your not really connected to it Apr 22 00:20:46 That's legal right? Apr 22 00:21:03 crashanddie: apparently it's a 3rd degree felony if you break that law xDDDDD Apr 22 00:21:27 dima202: no, it has both a receiver and transmitter. It's called a transceiver Apr 22 00:21:40 no usb host mode on the n900 :( Apr 22 00:22:03 dima202: in injection mode you are connected to it Apr 22 00:22:36 crashanddie: apparently, if you were caught taping onto a public hotspot from your car, you can get 5 years O_o Apr 22 00:22:47 not kidding Apr 22 00:23:01 wtf Apr 22 00:23:29 MohammadAG: wtf indeed Apr 22 00:24:01 crashanddie: i'm trying to confirm if it is a tranciever and not just a transmitter that would be awesome Apr 22 00:24:17 dima202: I'll bet you $10 Apr 22 00:24:28 dima202: all wifi devices are transcivers Apr 22 00:24:41 parim: we're talking about infrared Apr 22 00:25:23 crashhanddie: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9722006-7.html - an example Apr 22 00:25:47 crashanddie: i am sorry Apr 22 00:25:48 "Michigan man dodges prison in theft of Wi-Fi" :P Apr 22 00:26:02 b-man17: technically speaking, under Michigan law, using wifi is a crime Apr 22 00:26:16 rofl Apr 22 00:26:28 A person shall not intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization do any of the following: Access or cause access to be made to a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network to acquire, alter, damage, delete, or destroy property or otherwise use the service of a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. Apr 22 00:26:34 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28o00lhhyrkec1fu22v5iaje45%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-752-795 Apr 22 00:26:43 damn Apr 22 00:26:48 Nokia N810 charger (850mA) connected to N900 via the charge adapter.. 500mA reaches N900 :-) Apr 22 00:26:53 N900 battery Apr 22 00:26:58 * b-man17 is really glad he lives in ohio xDD Apr 22 00:27:10 * dima202 is really glad he lives in New yORK Apr 22 00:27:28 MIT must be happy they didn't go for Michigan :p Apr 22 00:27:39 "--a practice known as piggybacking--" Apr 22 00:27:45 known by *who* as piggybacking? Apr 22 00:27:53 Can you imagine all the MIT undergrads getting arrested every weekend? Apr 22 00:28:11 luke-jr: well, piggybacking is quite a common term when you're into wardriving Apr 22 00:28:14 imagine all the jobs it would create just to process it Apr 22 00:28:19 crashanddie: those jails would be filled in a week xD Apr 22 00:28:49 I can imagine the hardcore criminals "Lube up boys, the weekend entertainment has arrived" Apr 22 00:30:26 * Openfree is away: I'm busy Apr 22 00:30:29 crashanddie: unsecured access points in office buildings are illegal apparently too Apr 22 00:30:44 Openfree: I don't care, deactivate your automated status messages or be quieted. First warning. Apr 22 00:31:18 b-man17: so using a verizon mifi is illegial? Apr 22 00:31:36 I hate those little whiny bitches on TMO who just can't get things right. "there was maemo 4 and the internet tablets n810 n800 and going back further the n770" Apr 22 00:31:50 Wrong, Maemo 4 never ran on the 770, and there IS NO SUCH THING AS A "n770" Apr 22 00:32:06 parim: in Michigan, if your not *in* the business providing the service, yup Apr 22 00:32:13 you're Apr 22 00:32:42 seriously, one apostrophe and one extra letter, please go the extra mile, thanks Apr 22 00:33:05 b-man17: i see. Apr 22 00:36:56 parim: in the case of a mobile hotspot, an officer might approach you and ask you to put a WPA2 encryption on it lol Apr 22 00:38:42 * Openfree is back (gone 00:08:25) Apr 22 00:46:54 Openfree ... Apr 22 00:48:53 Openfree: Second warning. Remove your auto-away script or I will quiet you. Apr 22 00:53:05 I don't think it's possible to record remote control codes on the n900. from what i'm reading everyone is using an external device ie laptop with ir reciever or desktop with usb ir Apr 22 00:54:11 n900 doesn't have a IR receiver Apr 22 00:56:07 ShadowJK: sure it does Apr 22 00:56:16 ShadowJK: it's the same chip Apr 22 00:56:49 What chip... Apr 22 00:56:55 it's not IrDA complaint... Apr 22 00:57:04 meaning it doesn't receive Apr 22 00:57:19 There's an IR led connected to a 38kHz PWM connected to a GPIO Apr 22 00:57:33 ^ trouble Apr 22 00:57:39 :P Apr 22 00:58:49 even if the package with the IR LED would also contain a IR sensitive receiver component, which it doesn't, there's no wiring going back Apr 22 00:59:32 why am I confused then? Apr 22 00:59:41 I remember the IR-networking discussions at the Summit? Apr 22 01:00:33 blind leading the blind Apr 22 01:00:51 apologies then Apr 22 01:01:13 dima202: looks like ShadowJK ows you $10 then. Apr 22 01:02:03 even if there was a receiver, IR networking would be very slow and CPU intensive Apr 22 01:03:12 does he now? Apr 22 01:03:14 what about using the proximity detector as a IR receiver? Apr 22 01:03:41 but there are devices with no wireless except irda Apr 22 01:04:59 because it's basically just this infrared flashlight, modulated at 38KHz, that you can switch on and off. When you switch it on and off with correct timing of the duration on and off, it looks exactly like a remote control Apr 22 01:05:52 and you just need to send 2 bytes or so, and the speed is lowish.. somewhere around 30 - 120 bytes per second Apr 22 01:06:31 it'd take over a second to transmit this line of chat :P Apr 22 01:10:09 I'd assume the proximity sensor emitter, and the camera door sensor emitter have modulated signal too so that random infrared light doesn't get mistaken for a return Apr 22 01:11:10 whether that's on the same frequency as the CIR I dunno :) Apr 22 01:14:02 Very interestin read on IR thanks :) Apr 22 01:16:15 Well, interesting for anyone who hasn't taken high-school level electronics, I assume Apr 22 01:17:17 crashanddie: there are some people at my school who don't even know what a transistor is rofl Apr 22 01:17:35 I haven't but I am studying radio frequencies a HAM radio license so I knew some stuff Apr 22 01:17:46 b-man17: "it's what they use in radios, right?" Apr 22 01:18:13 dneary: still stranded in SFO? Apr 22 01:18:29 crashanddie: pretty much that response :) Apr 22 01:19:28 * b-man17 has been tinkering with electronic components since he was 2 Apr 22 01:19:41 So almost 10 years? Nice. Apr 22 01:19:56 well, more like 15 ;P Apr 22 01:20:01 * b-man17 is 17 :P Apr 22 01:20:43 Considering that at age 2, you're starting to realise that you and your mother aren't the same person, and your mind has to cope with understanding that when your mother leaves you alone, she isn't dying, I'd call BOLLOCKS on that statement;) Apr 22 01:21:06 Also, you can't remember anything from before age 3-4, so... Apr 22 01:21:32 I can't remember anything from age of 13 Apr 22 01:21:52 <- 22 Apr 22 01:21:54 dima202: that's because you only did one thing; same all other kids your age: MASTURBATION. Apr 22 01:22:21 crashanddie: that's a theory Apr 22 01:22:35 b-man17: no, it's a fact. Apr 22 01:23:00 crashanddie: you can't read my mind - how do you know? :P Apr 22 01:23:57 It's called childhood amensia, and everyone suffers from it Apr 22 01:25:05 http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/096582199387913 Apr 22 01:25:22 Also: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8315398 Apr 22 01:26:01 I can probably dig up another 20 links regarding CA, but I doubt you have the subscriptions to read them ;) Apr 22 01:26:09 crashanddie, Until Saturday Apr 22 01:26:20 dneary: when were you supposed to come back? Apr 22 01:26:33 crashanddie, By the time I could rebook my flight there was a week-long backlog Apr 22 01:26:42 crashanddie, I was due to fly out last Saturday Apr 22 01:26:55 dneary: you're not with HSBC by any chance? Apr 22 01:27:22 dneary: HSBC is extending their travel insurance so people who were affected by the eruption can claim hotels and such back. Apr 22 01:29:46 dneary: I'm flying back saturday next week. Anyway, good luck and try to enjoy your extra stay in SF a tiny bit at least. It really is a crappy airport, but the city is nice. Apr 22 01:29:49 HSBC the bank? Apr 22 01:29:55 No Apr 22 01:29:58 dneary: yeah Apr 22 01:30:06 Where are you stuck? Apr 22 01:30:15 Ozzie Apr 22 01:30:29 je reviens vivre en France :) Apr 22 01:30:35 I'm in a pretty cheap hotel, and the Linux Foundation are helping. It's all the incidentals (transport, food & drink) that is the killer. Apr 22 01:31:03 Well, I guess that for an irishman drinks must be expensive indeed :P Apr 22 01:31:37 There's always ramen noodles. Apr 22 01:32:00 McD Apr 22 01:32:39 ds3: I think ramen noodles is actually healthier than McD Apr 22 01:32:45 lol Apr 22 01:32:48 Doubt it Apr 22 01:32:55 Depends on what you order. Apr 22 01:34:28 GAN900: yeah but you're american, your sense of taste and health is biased towards McD anyway :P Apr 22 01:34:34 Ew Apr 22 01:34:36 no Apr 22 01:40:18 GAN900: so, you used your passport yet? Apr 22 01:53:36 crashanddie, um, BCN? Apr 22 01:54:41 ah, yes Apr 22 01:55:37 night ppl :) Apr 22 02:05:26 <[Revolt]> hello Apr 22 02:07:52 hi [Revolt] Apr 22 02:09:19 mmm how do i reorder bookmarks for browser? Apr 22 02:11:43 lcukn900, you don't. Apr 22 02:11:51 lcukn900, go stab the UI people. Apr 22 02:12:09 <[Revolt]> im trying to chat using "irc plugin support for conversations" but seems i need help (now using xchat) Apr 22 02:12:14 but they werent in the same place before o_O Apr 22 02:12:52 my playboy most popular context videos link is on front page now lol Apr 22 02:13:01 contest Apr 22 02:13:13 :D Apr 22 02:14:46 <[Revolt]> can anybody help me?how can i join into a chanel? i try "chat with", them type maemo... Apr 22 02:15:25 revolt use xchat afaik conversations isnt geared for group chat Apr 22 02:16:18 it works best when you have a friend on irc, not when you want to sit in many chans chatting Apr 22 02:16:47 gan900 your finger work last week was amazing Apr 22 02:17:07 im so slow at typing on it Apr 22 02:17:22 <[Revolt]> lcukn900 so only for private messages? not for channels like this? Apr 22 02:17:55 revolt not personally tried but thats the mojo i know. if you find out different cool Apr 22 02:18:53 i have to move playboy somewhere (its aerobo Apr 22 02:19:04 ics n stuff - tis cool Apr 22 02:19:04 ? Apr 22 02:19:34 pupnik i reflashed and my bookmark link has moved Apr 22 02:19:48 ah Apr 22 02:19:54 it used to be near bottom now its on top Apr 22 02:20:27 <[Revolt]> xD thanks for the advice. i try typing #maemo, /join maemo, /join maemo in the "chat with" window but... incorrect xD Apr 22 02:20:56 #maemo btw Apr 22 02:22:51 /join #maemo Apr 22 02:22:51 <[Revolt]> only maemo without # opens a new window but nothing. i cant see the conversations and my posts in conversations cant be seen here in the xchat client Apr 22 02:23:47 i dont understand Apr 22 02:25:01 <[Revolt]> pupnik im trying to use the "irc protocol plugin for conversations and contacts" Apr 22 02:25:33 that seems to be useful mainly for private messages Apr 22 02:25:35 then /msg yourself Apr 22 02:25:36 <[Revolt]> but cant be able to make it work Apr 22 02:25:50 and see if that works afaik it opens msg window Apr 22 02:25:58 to one person Apr 22 02:26:08 a pm Apr 22 02:26:19 gah i should be sleeping Apr 22 02:26:29 nite Apr 22 02:26:33 nite Apr 22 02:27:58 <[Revolt]> yes it works with private messages but not with channels :-( Apr 22 02:28:24 <[Revolt]> so... bit useless Apr 22 02:29:38 [Revolt]: Irc isnt an IM system really Apr 22 02:32:24 <[Revolt]> i see the program in the repository and i think Wonderful! xD but my expectatives may be a bit high Apr 22 02:32:54 <[Revolt]> xD and sorry for my english. i know... awful! Apr 22 02:34:04 np redoubtable Apr 22 02:34:24 oops Apr 22 02:40:46 <[Revolt]> any of you guys know how to erase the cache of the video player? i rename some videos but the player are still showing the old names and i cannot open them Apr 22 02:41:30 the video player shows you some imaginary system Apr 22 02:41:48 <[Revolt]> ? Apr 22 02:41:57 good luck with it matching what you have on device Apr 22 02:43:05 lcukn900, I'm amazing, I know. :P Apr 22 02:44:23 <[Revolt]> its supposed that it should autorefresh the list but it doesnt happen Apr 22 02:45:15 yes Apr 22 02:46:38 <[Revolt]> when i try to open the video, says unsupported format. and them ALL formats are unsupported (avi, mp3...) and i have to reboot Apr 22 02:47:48 <[Revolt]> i know that there's a bug but my videos are playable in the device before i rename them, so... Apr 22 02:48:54 <[Revolt]> if you know where is the cache, the thumbnails folder or whatever related to the video player... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 22 02:59:57 2010