**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 23 02:59:56 2010 Apr 23 03:35:53 Hello Apr 23 03:36:07 Anyone around who can help me with the weird Easy Debian issue? Apr 23 03:36:12 * DocScrutinizer reading backscroll, had a few good laughs on crashanddie's comments, and wonders if the aforementioned changed his medics recently, and if so, then what are the new ones and where to get Apr 23 03:37:05 DocScrutinizer: nope, never taken any medics, and hence not stopped Apr 23 03:37:38 DocScrutinizer: though, just feeling a lot more relaxed lately, as I know I'll be going back to the family and Europe in just over a week. Apr 23 03:40:02 KnightStalker: nobody can help you if the only information you provide is "weird issue" Apr 23 03:40:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50800&goto=newpost Apr 23 03:40:23 KnightStalker: I'll admit people in this channel are generally very good, but still; you're asking for a miracle there. Apr 23 03:40:56 Sorry for that,thats because last time that I completely said everything about my issue Apr 23 03:41:08 I was kind of ignored,even by waiting about an hour no one replied to me Apr 23 03:41:23 so this time I just checked if someone is listining to me? Apr 23 03:41:24 :P Apr 23 03:41:57 the problem is that,I downloaded Easy Debian image file more then 10 times and everytime the thing I get is the file is corrupt Apr 23 03:42:11 I did download via download manager of my computer and my mobile Apr 23 03:42:23 and I receive many things via my download manager,they are all fine Apr 23 03:42:40 and in fact,downloading something 10 times makes sure that the problem is from some where else Apr 23 03:42:46 qole.org? Apr 23 03:42:47 Where are you downloading it from? Apr 23 03:42:48 so,the question is,what the problem is? Apr 23 03:42:52 qole.org Apr 23 03:42:52 yes Apr 23 03:43:58 Sadly qole didn't put the hashes on the server Apr 23 03:44:11 :\ Apr 23 03:44:22 Could be the image on the server is correct, but that would surprise me considering other people use it without issues Apr 23 03:44:43 How are you transferring it to your N900? Apr 23 03:45:06 With USB Apr 23 03:45:16 and also some of the downloads were directly from my mobile Apr 23 03:45:22 PC Suite or Mass Storage? Apr 23 03:45:32 Mass Storgae Apr 23 03:45:35 Storage* Apr 23 03:45:39 I don't like PC suite mode... Apr 23 03:45:45 but if its needed why not :P Apr 23 03:45:54 No no Apr 23 03:46:07 What's the full error message, exactly? Apr 23 03:46:14 wait Apr 23 03:48:14 * crashanddie waits Apr 23 03:48:21 "debian 5/6 image with working audo(Main server)seems corrupted" Apr 23 03:48:41 and then click ok to retry and cancel to keep the file Apr 23 03:48:42 :\ Apr 23 03:48:57 working audo( Apr 23 03:49:04 ? Apr 23 03:49:14 Yes Apr 23 03:49:20 it was exactly what it said Apr 23 03:50:16 sure it doesn't say "working audio (Main server) " Apr 23 03:51:37 I see a german forum where some guy has the same problem as you Apr 23 03:51:39 do you read german? Apr 23 03:51:45 Eh,no Apr 23 03:51:49 but I can use google translate Apr 23 03:51:51 http://www.usp-forum.de/nokia-n900-forum/47086-probleme-bei-der-installation-von-easy-debian.html Apr 23 03:52:07 Well, i can translate Apr 23 03:52:21 they say that if you uncompress the lzma image, you should have a package roughly 2GB in size Apr 23 03:52:46 and? Apr 23 03:52:57 Then they say to just run debian, and leave it running for the night Apr 23 03:52:58 that what you did? Apr 23 03:53:31 well,I didn't uncompress the lzma image file Apr 23 03:53:53 they said just run debian,but without that image file it says mount failure Apr 23 03:53:53 wanna try it? Apr 23 03:54:02 (at this point... you might as well) Apr 23 03:54:21 I will... :P Apr 23 03:54:38 its better then downloading it again how can I extract lzma image files anyway? Apr 23 03:55:35 7z Apr 23 03:55:39 or lzma :0 Apr 23 03:55:43 oh okay Apr 23 03:55:47 what documentation are you following? Apr 23 03:56:27 I am not following any :P,I am just extracting lzma file as you said Apr 23 03:57:08 I don't like this freenode country restricted message... Apr 23 03:59:50 what message? Apr 23 03:59:52 eh? Apr 23 04:01:18 see it yourself Apr 23 04:01:18 http://sourceforge.net/t7.php Apr 23 04:01:27 "Your request is being denied as it appears to be coming from a location banned by our Terms of Use." Apr 23 04:01:32 I used proxy ;) Apr 23 04:02:54 data error file is broken :o Apr 23 04:03:44 not freenode Apr 23 04:03:47 that's sourceforge Apr 23 04:03:59 poor me Apr 23 04:04:08 oh,I said freenode :p Apr 23 04:04:13 sourceforge* Apr 23 04:36:30 * Trizt wonder why someone would have mentioned him... but sadly too small history to see it ... Apr 23 04:41:35 Trizt: room is logged: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Apr 23 04:42:06 thanks Apr 23 04:43:31 was anyone ever able to run java applets in the browser on the n900? Apr 23 04:43:35 petteri, do you know which time zone the time is logged for? Apr 23 04:46:00 dragon900; never tried, but I doubt that there was a java plug-in for the browser... but I can't be wrong Apr 23 04:46:07 Trizt: 0:36 EST = 7:36 log time Apr 23 04:46:31 DST* Apr 23 04:57:29 Hmmmm...Second time during a week, I find the phone in the morning with inoperational networking. Only reboot saves the day. Apr 23 04:57:33 WTF? And why now? Apr 23 04:59:21 good evening Apr 23 05:00:23 RST38h: I have seen that Apr 23 05:01:46 RST38h; you have had bluetooth enabled at the same time? Those cases I have had both network and bluetooth enabled I got similar proplems Apr 23 05:01:59 EHLO Macer Apr 23 05:02:06 hey Apr 23 05:02:14 * RST38h does have BT enabled, but he had it enable for months now Apr 23 05:02:43 another night of tinkering with my n900 Apr 23 05:02:48 :) Apr 23 05:03:39 trying to find out where in xchat you set the color of the txt you type... it is like a dark gray Apr 23 05:04:04 Macer: It is a fixed color number from the palette Apr 23 05:04:11 Macer: Something like color 8 Apr 23 05:04:59 Macer: The gray I selected is more of a compromise color, making it lighter will screw up other things, making it darker will make text addressed to yourself unreadable Apr 23 05:06:41 shouldn't it work like the none maemo xchat, I have white for both me and all your replies Apr 23 05:09:47 ah ok Apr 23 05:09:47 no big deal.. just thought it was a little dark Apr 23 05:09:47 still crossing the fingers for a portrait desktop ;) Apr 23 05:09:51 i think the battery life on this thing is great Apr 23 05:10:10 my g1 would last like 2 hours when heavily used Apr 23 05:10:35 although it did have a better qwerty Apr 23 05:12:25 yesterday I thought my battery had gone bad, when it was time to go home from work the battery was almost empty and I hadn't even been online, but then I noticed that it had been playing music all day Apr 23 05:12:52 haha Apr 23 05:13:05 yeah.. it lasts a long time Apr 23 05:13:15 at least i think it does Apr 23 05:13:41 I got myself a porportia extra battery Apr 23 05:14:46 someone here was saying there is a 3500mah for it but you cant use the cam or sd slot Apr 23 05:14:47 haha Apr 23 05:14:51 wtf? Apr 23 05:15:40 you can use the cam Apr 23 05:15:54 oh? Apr 23 05:15:54 it looks monstrously though Apr 23 05:16:00 hahaha Apr 23 05:16:05 im sure Apr 23 05:16:17 they basically have a HOLE for the camera Apr 23 05:16:25 deep hole too Apr 23 05:19:29 any url ? Apr 23 05:20:32 anyone used to have a sony ericsson k800i or k790i? Apr 23 05:21:24 a couple of works ago, horrible things those se-phones Apr 23 05:21:47 how does the n900 camera compare to them? i used those for awhile. Apr 23 05:22:06 nm the xenon flash Apr 23 05:22:16 moo tekojo Apr 23 05:22:25 never used them to take photos, just used them to try out mobile solutions Apr 23 05:23:05 opdf2: n900 camera is obviously better, but still worse than a real point&shoot Apr 23 05:23:30 RST38h:  u used a k800 or k790? Apr 23 05:23:50 Top of the morning to you RST38h! Apr 23 05:24:05 opdf2: got to fondle k800 Apr 23 05:24:17 RST38h:  i see Apr 23 05:24:55 opdf2: standard candy bar, nothing spectacular, standard crappy phone camera Apr 23 05:25:32 opdf2: N900 camera fares better than that, but do not expect miracles Apr 23 05:25:56 RST38h:  okay cool i was just wondering. i like the n900 camera Apr 23 05:27:28 "The primary criteria for the shuttles' location will be the stability of the site and whether the chosen institutions can exhibit them for the next 500 years." Apr 23 05:27:48 Mhm...NASA expects US to stick around for the next 500 years... Apr 23 05:28:41 at least someone is doing long term planning Apr 23 05:29:26 That's more of a wishful thinking thing though. Apr 23 05:29:43 Given the range :) Apr 23 05:32:49 time to get to work :( Apr 23 06:02:07 whats the color depth of n900. gsmarena says 65k. i thought it was 16m Apr 23 06:03:11 nm nokia says 65k Apr 23 06:04:17 (II) FBDEV(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section Apr 23 06:04:20 "Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 16/16 Apr 23 06:04:23 (==) FBDEV(0): Depth 16, (==) framebuffer bpp 16 Apr 23 06:10:25 Kherton: I noticed in the python optimization thread on TMO you mention 'khteditor' Apr 23 06:10:58 is that like PyGtKEditor, just in Qt, or for writing Qt code? Apr 23 06:12:50 Khertan: is 'kheditor' something which is now available for maemo 4/5 ? Apr 23 06:19:07 wtf @ people 'hey dont distrub me with ur mails yaaaaaaaaaaaa' Apr 23 06:21:21 Stskeeps: I wtf'd too Apr 23 06:22:39 especially since it's not first time it has happened Apr 23 06:23:27 At least he didn't top-quote Apr 23 06:25:28 top-quoting is inexcusable. Apr 23 06:27:00 well, the problem is that most corporate mail clients don't support anything else Apr 23 06:27:12 Outlook 2003 and 2007: Impossible to not top-quote Apr 23 06:27:13 i'm still wondering if there's a good reply-to thing in gmai Apr 23 06:27:13 l Apr 23 06:27:31 Lotus Notes: Impossible to not top-quote (if you want to quote at all) Apr 23 06:27:56 Stskeeps: what, you mean setting the RT to another value than the default? Apr 23 06:28:25 crashanddie: well, meego-dev always catches me replying straight to the person instead of to list, when i don't do reply all Apr 23 06:28:37 there's no Reply-To: header on the lists, so Apr 23 06:28:45 Stskeeps: yeah, but that's because of the list crunching the headers Apr 23 06:28:59 while i don't want to go into that insane discussion, some claimed thunderbird etc handles it Apr 23 06:29:32 so i'm wondering if i am missing a setting Apr 23 06:29:57 well, you can set a generic reply-to per email address Apr 23 06:30:12 but that means you need to change that setting everytime you reply to meego, and then unset it afterwards Apr 23 06:30:41 hey finland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEM41srbrWY Apr 23 06:30:43 enough said. Apr 23 06:31:22 yup that sums it up Apr 23 06:31:55 quite a shock to get up this morning. Apr 23 06:32:18 it snowed Apr 23 06:33:47 what's libGLES_CM ? Apr 23 06:33:56 LiraNuna: libglesv1 Apr 23 06:33:59 afaik Apr 23 06:34:04 ie, GLES 1.0 Apr 23 06:34:12 I can link to it but can't execute Apr 23 06:34:17 it says it's missing from my device Apr 23 06:34:40 yeah, not installed by default i think Apr 23 06:35:59 I'm trying to compile one of IT's demo Apr 23 06:36:07 it says it's OGL ES2 but if I link with it it fails Apr 23 06:36:24 (lots of undefined refs) Apr 23 06:36:30 linking with _CM is fine, however Apr 23 06:40:58 use -lEGL and -lGLESv2 Apr 23 06:45:00 lol i got an update to install ovi suite to only find out n900 is not compatible Apr 23 06:45:06 and man that installer eats ram Apr 23 06:45:07 use -lEGL and -lGLESv2 Apr 23 06:45:09 tried both Apr 23 06:45:17 hmm, ok Apr 23 06:45:19 link errors with those except _CM Apr 23 06:46:57 LiraNuna: what kind of errors? GLESv1 functions missing? Apr 23 06:47:07 hol don Apr 23 06:48:32 http://pastie.org/private/3mr2kd1yttqghzlzg2t7hg Apr 23 06:49:51 LiraNuna: you need both EGL and GLESv2 Apr 23 06:50:52 fredix, oh Apr 23 06:50:53 I see Apr 23 07:01:48 any tips on getting the Vikuiti dqc-160 on without bubbles? Apr 23 07:12:09 hi Apr 23 07:12:39 Has anyone noticed shortcuts dissapearing from a desktop and then they wont show up when you search for it to in desktop config? Apr 23 07:14:10 i m getting core dumped exception during time of executing qt application inside scratchbox ,can anyone help me? Apr 23 07:14:37 floating point exception core dumped Apr 23 07:15:00 can anyone guide me how to solve Apr 23 07:22:02 oem, are you running it in ARMEL mode? 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Apr 23 08:14:34 http://twitpic.com/1hpd9l/full Apr 23 08:16:09 mece: what are you porting Apr 23 08:16:37 marmoute: look like might and magic 3 :) Apr 23 08:17:33 Khertan_: yop. but I supppose MM3 is closed sources an still copyrighted Apr 23 08:17:42 marmoute it was this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=618352&postcount=50 Apr 23 08:17:46 it's Might and Magic 2 Apr 23 08:18:37 I'm sorta working on getting it to devel but having a hard time packaging it. Apr 23 08:18:43 mmm homm, awesome Apr 23 08:18:44 OH MY GOD Apr 23 08:18:45 need to get it Apr 23 08:18:46 Awesome Apr 23 08:19:11 frals, to my surprise it works very well :) Apr 23 08:19:19 mece: packaging is most of the time longer than porting :) Apr 23 08:19:31 Khertan_, damn straight. annoying as hell. Apr 23 08:19:34 mece: HOMM! \o/ Apr 23 08:20:09 mece: yep ... this is one of the reason that i revoke my garage account and stopping upload to extras-* repository and made my own Apr 23 08:20:28 You need the original data files btw. You can buy the gold edition for 9 bucks. Apr 23 08:21:28 I can't work on it right now because a friend of mine slept in my computer room, so he turned off the noisy computer, and I forgot to turn it on in the morning. Dammit. Apr 23 08:31:28 hi can anyone help me to solve floating point exception inside scratchbox Apr 23 08:33:27 oem: what kind of fpe ? Apr 23 08:35:58 LiraNuna: did you get the app to link? Apr 23 08:36:36 not able to execute qt application inside scratchbox and the error is Floating point exception(core dumped) Apr 23 09:01:42 has anyone played with the aigo n500? Apr 23 09:01:53 nop, you? Apr 23 09:02:33 nope, looks pretty good wondering what price in the US it can be obtained for, at all Apr 23 09:03:27 not able to execute qt application inside scratchbox and the error is Floating point exception(core dumped),can anyone help me Apr 23 09:04:22 probably a smartQ would be about the same for me Apr 23 09:05:14 haha, champion runner caught for doing steroids, claims "the steroids were in a penis enlargement product I purchased over the counter" Apr 23 09:07:12 * SpeedEvil contemplates 'ignore the hose connected to the large winch at the finish line - it's just a penis enlarger'. Apr 23 09:14:32 when will the n900 price go to half the current one Apr 23 09:15:01 and the screen size increase by 125% Apr 23 09:15:27 In your opinion, what's the current price of N900? :) Apr 23 09:15:37 (or in your area) Apr 23 09:15:49 probably too high Apr 23 09:15:57 500 eur or so I think Apr 23 09:16:03 yikes Apr 23 09:16:20 At least 1 year Apr 23 09:16:40 I have currently nokia e90 as my main phone Apr 23 09:16:51 I will switch to the n900 when it becomes affordable Apr 23 09:17:05 * achipa curses at Nokia Messaging being linked to the SIM Apr 23 09:17:07 and nokia n800 also but it is not a phone Apr 23 09:17:47 in realistic terms, youll never see the n900 at half it's current price Apr 23 09:18:23 used Apr 23 09:18:43 or when n1000 comes out :-) Apr 23 09:19:07 I find it quite peculiar though that you currently own the most expensive phone nokia have ever made, and are now not buying a new one that's 2/3 the price because its too expensive Apr 23 09:19:24 nid0: that depends on where you live. Looking over from this side of the Atlantic, the N900 costs half price in the US already ;) Apr 23 09:19:34 nid0: I bought it used a while ago Apr 23 09:20:00 the qwerty keyboard is verry nice Apr 23 09:20:01 you can get them for $300? Apr 23 09:20:21 I paid 250 eur used a year+ ago Apr 23 09:20:22 no, but 300$ is not half of 550 euros, either :) Apr 23 09:20:22 iirc Apr 23 09:21:18 $300 is half of what they originally retailed for in the US though afaik? comparing price saving between usd and euro is pointless because theyre more expensive in euros and £ anyway Apr 23 09:21:55 nid0: it was a joke Apr 23 09:22:16 but yea mortal if the e90's keyboard is your killer feature, you should avoid the n900 anyway Apr 23 09:22:39 nokia have never reproduced anything close to the keyboard on the e90, and sadly the n900's one doesnt improve things Apr 23 09:22:40 I say why 3.5" and why a brick it makes no sense imo Apr 23 09:23:00 N97 mini keyboard is pretty good imo Apr 23 09:23:05 too bad, then I'll stick to my e90 + n800 combo for long Apr 23 09:23:38 N900 kicks E90 ass hands down Apr 23 09:23:55 except in quite a few areas Apr 23 09:24:12 Like, the availability of non-free stuff starting with S. /o\ Apr 23 09:24:15 Well yes, there are some things that aren't quite ready yet in Maemo. Apr 23 09:24:20 e90's more usable as a phone, more usable as a mail client, has an infinitely better screen, and more usable as a defensive weapon Apr 23 09:24:30 screen = keyboard* Apr 23 09:24:42 lol Apr 23 09:24:46 and looks nicer. :< Apr 23 09:25:03 But S60. :( Apr 23 09:25:29 it would be good if there was a choice between s60 and meego on all nokia phones Apr 23 09:25:30 :P Apr 23 09:25:36 well, at least those capable of running Apr 23 09:25:38 meh, needs must. s80 was nicer but wasnt widely enough used for a decent range of applications Apr 23 09:25:52 frankly, the e90 could probably handle maemo fairly well Apr 23 09:26:08 lol Stskeeps thats just repeating same lines ive been saying for ages :p Apr 23 09:27:15 n900's battery compared to e90 also makes me cry :< Apr 23 09:27:39 same volume, less powerful in the n900, and drains it several times quicker Apr 23 09:28:24 * Torne desperately resists the urge to comment :) Apr 23 09:28:29 lo #maemo Apr 23 09:28:55 come on it's more functional than the neo freerunner what do you want Apr 23 09:29:02 Stskeeps: how many armv7 nokias ? :P Apr 23 09:29:06 ;) Torne Apr 23 09:29:19 achipa: actually i don't know if there's any armv7 symbian phones from nokia Apr 23 09:29:27 Stskeeps: there aren't yet, no Apr 23 09:29:30 armv7? Apr 23 09:29:43 is that the cortex? Apr 23 09:29:55 cortex-A8 is one ARMv7 core, yes Apr 23 09:30:07 nope, none from nokia Apr 23 09:30:23 they're still using the 434MHz ones Apr 23 09:30:28 11 I think Apr 23 09:30:49 Stskeeps: plus, 800x480 is in set in concrete... Apr 23 09:30:57 I think the 1st symbian device to use it was the omnia HD Apr 23 09:31:01 achipa: that is true, too Apr 23 09:31:13 MohammadAG: that's ARM11 (v7 is the instruction set) Apr 23 09:31:13 achipa: that'll make it too heavy. Apr 23 09:31:28 symbian seemed snappier than maemo Apr 23 09:31:38 lol Apr 23 09:31:39 nokia n8x0 arm11 Apr 23 09:31:42 cause there are no transitions Apr 23 09:31:56 speed's good on the N900 Apr 23 09:32:04 much better than the n97 Apr 23 09:32:19 There is also lack of prefetching. Apr 23 09:32:22 I like beer over speed Apr 23 09:32:29 just a preference Apr 23 09:32:43 where the absolute amount of data is small - it's rational to eat it as a lump in many cases. Apr 23 09:32:47 Stskeeps: will be fun to see what the stance wrt resolutions will be in the MeeGo ui-s Apr 23 09:32:57 Stskeeps: or harmattan, for that matter Apr 23 09:32:59 Khertan_: faut que tu permette aux gens de choisir leur police dans PyGTKEditor ;) Apr 23 09:33:02 so you don't ever need to load it in where the user may see it Apr 23 09:33:08 achipa: hopefully more flexible due to qt Apr 23 09:33:57 Stskeeps: Not sure it's related to the toolkit... you can make a (sad) fixed-res UI in qt just as easy :P Apr 23 09:34:05 true Apr 23 09:34:07 crashanddie: c'est deja le cas :) Apr 23 09:34:13 Khertan_: marche pas Apr 23 09:34:18 crashanddie: menteur Apr 23 09:34:20 Khertan_: le bouton OK ne fonctionne pas Apr 23 09:34:21 i.e. I don't see no guarantee there won't be shortcuts taken Apr 23 09:34:23 :) Apr 23 09:34:24 gnié ? Apr 23 09:34:27 yep Apr 23 09:34:37 crashanddie: oh ... ca marche pour moi pourtant Apr 23 09:34:46 crashanddie: une erreur en particulier dans la console ? Apr 23 09:34:46 Khertan_: quand je vais dans les preferences, je peux tout modifier, mais le bouton OK ne fait rien... J'suis oblige d'annuler la fenetre Apr 23 09:34:53 j'ai pas teste dans la console Apr 23 09:34:55 atta Apr 23 09:34:57 crashanddie: quel version ? Apr 23 09:35:00 -testing needs more resters :< Apr 23 09:35:04 testers* Apr 23 09:35:25 nid0: testing need propers rules before Apr 23 09:35:40 Khertan_: 3.0.14 Apr 23 09:36:01 2s je regarde si la j'ai corrigé ca en 3.0.15 dans le changelog Apr 23 09:36:41 Khertan_: j'ai une erreur Apr 23 09:36:46 ah ? Apr 23 09:36:51 dans pge_preferences.py, line 39 Apr 23 09:37:11 f = open(os.path.expanduser("~")+"/.pygtkeditor",'w') Apr 23 09:37:11 j'ai modifié deux trois truc dans les prefs en 3.0.15 tu peux tester si cela est toujours le cas ? Apr 23 09:37:26 ah ca sent l'erreur de prefs arg Apr 23 09:37:31 IOError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/home/user/.pygtkeditor' Apr 23 09:37:39 hu ? Apr 23 09:38:24 tu as quoi dans le dossier .pygtkeditor ? Apr 23 09:38:40 history Apr 23 09:39:06 tu n'aurais pas recup un home de maemo 4 avec pygtkeditor 2 ? Apr 23 09:39:20 Khertan_: euh... non Apr 23 09:39:24 etrange Apr 23 09:39:36 bah tu peux le delete en toute tranquilité Apr 23 09:39:41 installer la 3.0.15 Apr 23 09:39:53 quoique... J'avais installe ta toute premiere version de pyGTKEditor que t'avais release lors du summit Apr 23 09:39:53 et reporter le bugs sur http://khertan.net/flyspray Apr 23 09:40:04 ah ... oui ca vient peut etre de la Apr 23 09:40:08 :) Apr 23 09:40:12 ceci dit ... a fixer tout de meme Apr 23 09:40:32 c'est une hérésie de ma part de ne pas checker avant Apr 23 09:40:46 et d'avoir foutu un execpt: pass Apr 23 09:40:57 ah non y'a pas d'except Apr 23 09:41:00 c est deja ca :) Apr 23 09:41:20 et tu aurais eu la 3.0.15 tu aurais pu report directement depuis l'appli dans le flyspray l'erreur :) Apr 23 09:41:30 voui voui Apr 23 09:41:37 sinon pour la 3.0.15 c'est pas dans les depot maemo bien sur ... Apr 23 09:41:52 this is not a french channel Apr 23 09:41:53 crashanddie: http://khertan.net/news_en.php < Apr 23 09:41:59 fcrozat: are you sure ? Apr 23 09:42:12 Khertan_: absolutely.. Apr 23 09:42:26 fcrozat: there is no rules about that in the topic :) Apr 23 09:42:44 well, if you prefer to be kicked.. Apr 23 09:42:53 seriously? Apr 23 09:42:56 rohhh Apr 23 09:42:58 you think I'm going to get kicked? Apr 23 09:43:04 lol Apr 23 09:43:23 rohhh ... the so old admin irc kick war game ... Apr 23 09:43:24 I think there are more people in english here than in french Apr 23 09:43:33 * MohammadAG requests a kick Apr 23 09:43:36 fcrozat: of course ... Apr 23 09:43:45 fcrozat: though, point taken, we'll take it in private, however, NEVER, EVER, pretend to have op powers again. Apr 23 09:43:55 yay crashanddie took his pills Apr 23 09:43:57 :P Apr 23 09:44:00 crashanddie: where did I pretend so ? Apr 23 09:44:10 19:42 < fcrozat> well, if you prefer to be kicked.. Apr 23 09:44:20 he never said he would be the one to do it Apr 23 09:44:21 crashanddie: again, where did I pretend so ? Apr 23 09:44:26 that reads to me that he was just attempting to predict a likely scenario Apr 23 09:44:29 rather than do it himself Apr 23 09:44:33 * lcuk nods Apr 23 09:44:35 oh noes.. Apr 23 09:44:36 hop hop ... stop flamming ... we will continue our discussion in private ... Apr 23 09:44:48 anyway it s wake up a bit the channel :) Apr 23 09:46:13 * MohammadAG sees a tumbleweed rolling by... Apr 23 09:47:34 * crashanddie plays ennio morricone Apr 23 09:47:42 * Appiah takes a ride on a tumbleweed Apr 23 09:47:59 * lcuk hits MohammadAG on the head with study guide Apr 23 09:48:31 * MohammadAG gives lcuk a slice of bacon as thanks Apr 23 09:49:21 * crashanddie removes lcuk's battery Apr 23 09:49:30 no iron man for you this weekend! Apr 23 09:49:52 * MohammadAG takes crashanddie to the vet Apr 23 09:49:58 * FIQ places a huge nuke bomb on the channel. Detonates in: 30secs Apr 23 09:50:14 * MohammadAG hears the tactical nuke countdown Apr 23 09:50:21 * MohammadAG defuses the bomb Apr 23 09:51:57 * FIQ slaps MohammedAG Apr 23 09:52:06 hmh, yummy, grsec kernel on n900 Apr 23 09:52:37 s/e/a/ Apr 23 09:52:59 * frals slaps lcuk with a pig Apr 23 09:53:22 * MohammadAG punches FIQ with a Mugen battery Apr 23 09:54:35 * FIQ is taking a rest Apr 23 09:54:41 *zzzzzzzzzzz* Apr 23 09:54:47 * MohammadAG disturbs FIQ Apr 23 10:03:52 the media player's being annying Apr 23 10:11:07 Is there a kernel with jfs? Apr 23 10:14:40 * crashanddie jumps out of MohammadAG's car on the way to the vet Apr 23 10:14:47 * crashanddie goes to get dinner Apr 23 10:15:19 fcrozat|lunch: btw, there are no rules in this channel, especially with regards to language, behaviour and stuff like that Apr 23 10:15:41 fcrozat|lunch: if you wish to help, you can always draft some guidelines and submit them for review Apr 23 10:18:04 * MohammadAG grabs crashanddie from his nick Apr 23 10:18:19 eh? Apr 23 10:18:27 neck* Apr 23 10:18:37 sorry, used to the word nick :P Apr 23 10:18:44 * MohammadAG puts him back in the car Apr 23 10:24:35 nid0: n900 price in russia is already cut in half. when it was just new, the price was $1K, now you may buy it for $500 or nearly so Apr 23 10:30:00 That's promising. Apr 23 10:30:21 By the end of the year, if that trend continues, it should be $180 or so. Apr 23 10:31:01 Khertan, GPG error: http://khertan.net fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 Apr 23 10:32:35 got my n900 since yesterday.... epic! Apr 23 10:45:26 RST38h, eep i tried disabling the vibration and stuff but couldnt Apr 23 10:45:34 can i just remove the notification plugin somehow? Apr 23 10:47:22 lcuk, remove the .so file Apr 23 10:48:10 lcuk, /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/xchat_notify.so Apr 23 10:49:36 thanks MohammadAG Apr 23 10:49:42 np Apr 23 10:49:44 but that will revert after next update wont it Apr 23 10:49:48 lcuk, enable the pop up Apr 23 10:49:55 nah, he's removing it Apr 23 10:50:00 I think Apr 23 10:50:01 its the middle of the night pings that get us Apr 23 10:50:17 i wonder if the plugin can access the preference options Apr 23 10:50:18 lcuk, if you're running a fullscreen app it crashes it Apr 23 10:50:23 to use those to choose whether to buzz Apr 23 10:50:37 i use DocScrutinizer's method Apr 23 10:51:29 ~buzzfix Apr 23 10:51:30 buzzfix is, like, http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html ff. Apr 23 10:52:04 lcuk, http://pastebin.com/4XGgBE7v © DocScrutinizer Apr 23 10:52:05 :P Apr 23 10:53:28 i edited the plugin and recompiled it Apr 23 10:53:38 let's say it didn't work out well Apr 23 10:56:23 Grrrrrr aAAAaargh! Apr 23 10:56:38 damn you stupid packaging guides and your annoying assumptions! Apr 23 10:56:44 ~curse packaging Apr 23 10:56:45 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, packaging ! Apr 23 10:57:56 mece: the wiki guide? what's the problem? i can fix it Apr 23 10:58:13 the problem is that I have a Makefile Apr 23 10:58:15 that is all. Apr 23 10:58:23 it has only make and make clean options. Apr 23 10:58:46 I don't have Makefile.ac I dont have Makefile.in I don't have configure.ac I don't have configure.in Apr 23 10:58:53 the guides assume I have something like that. Apr 23 10:59:09 ~nuke autotools Apr 23 10:59:10 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at autotools ... B☢☢M! Apr 23 10:59:27 well, packaging with just a Makefile is even easier if you just have one binary Apr 23 10:59:37 why don't B☢☢M! those show up Apr 23 10:59:42 well when it's done there is just one binary. Apr 23 10:59:42 on the N900 Apr 23 10:59:49 amigadave tell me more. Apr 23 10:59:51 (same problem with my app) Apr 23 11:00:03 MohammadAG: UTF-8? Apr 23 11:00:18 doesn't xchat support it? Apr 23 11:00:22 nah, that's probably another codepage Apr 23 11:00:23 you should able to have a debian/.install Apr 23 11:00:25 probably the font used in n900 doesn't have those characters Apr 23 11:00:38 and in that file put " " Apr 23 11:00:43 amigadave, there is no install script in the Makefile Apr 23 11:00:46 i will find an example... Apr 23 11:00:53 ah ok. Apr 23 11:00:54 I see. Apr 23 11:00:56 sounds nice Apr 23 11:01:08 mece, check debian/rules Apr 23 11:01:30 MohammadAG, there is no debian, so no debian/rules, naturally. Apr 23 11:01:39 I did generate one that didn't work though. Apr 23 11:01:47 with some command that generates the debian/ studd. Apr 23 11:01:48 stuff Apr 23 11:02:11 I think I need that install thing that amigadave was talking about. Apr 23 11:02:24 well, it is one option Apr 23 11:02:28 there might be a better one Apr 23 11:02:38 mece, dh_make Apr 23 11:02:43 assuming you used that Apr 23 11:02:47 MohammadAG, that's what I did. Apr 23 11:03:16 it generates a rules file which executes make install Apr 23 11:03:26 so either edit it (or use pypackager) Apr 23 11:03:51 MohammadAG, the Makefile doesn't have an install option. Apr 23 11:04:02 then edit it Apr 23 11:04:06 or use pypackager Apr 23 11:04:13 (works for non python apps) Apr 23 11:04:17 oo Apr 23 11:04:19 ok.. Apr 23 11:04:20 waitup Apr 23 11:04:38 installing pypackager Apr 23 11:04:43 just put your files in the directories you want to copy to Apr 23 11:04:44 jr@halley:~> echo B☢☢M|od -ch Apr 23 11:04:46 0000000 B 342 230 242 342 230 242 M \n Apr 23 11:04:47 e242 a298 98e2 4da2 000a Apr 23 11:05:30 ok, have pypackager.. Apr 23 11:06:15 mece, if it helps http://pastebin.com/Bxf3kcux Apr 23 11:08:17 MohammadAG, thanks Apr 23 11:13:21 mece: i had a search and came up with http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-install Apr 23 11:13:35 but feel free to use whichever technique works for you :) Apr 23 11:14:36 thanks amigadave, I'll check it out. Trying pypackager first. Apr 23 11:14:58 MohammadAG, does this pypackager thing still run "make" ? Apr 23 11:15:09 no Apr 23 11:15:17 alternatively, i would gladly autotoolize your project ;) Apr 23 11:15:18 it copies files under directories Apr 23 11:15:32 so just put them in a work directory called src Apr 23 11:15:42 and put the files as you want them to be copied Apr 23 11:15:47 MohammadAG, but they are c++ source files Apr 23 11:15:57 example: src/usr/bin/app Apr 23 11:16:00 mece, err Apr 23 11:16:04 compile them then Apr 23 11:16:09 compile with make Apr 23 11:16:12 MohammadAG, righty. Apr 23 11:16:20 then copy the binaries Apr 23 11:16:38 MohammadAG, wont I miss the source files in the repo then? Apr 23 11:16:43 or err.. Apr 23 11:16:56 mece, well, yes lol Apr 23 11:16:57 perhaps I'm not getting this correctly. Apr 23 11:17:04 mece, actually Apr 23 11:17:12 just use pypackager to package it Apr 23 11:17:22 then edit the rules file Apr 23 11:17:25 righty. Apr 23 11:17:30 I'll try it. Apr 23 11:19:51 what's the latest hip fashion for MSN on the N900 currently? pecan? pidgin protocols? something else? Apr 23 11:20:12 eya all Apr 23 11:20:51 feck. Apr 23 11:21:01 cat not cool. Apr 23 11:21:47 Depends. Did you print something accidentally? Apr 23 11:21:55 yep. Apr 23 11:21:56 andre__ they all do the job, personally I find the pidgin protocols plugin the best just for quick integrated chats with contacts, or amsn for a full-featured msn client Apr 23 11:21:57 mece: hexdump! Apr 23 11:22:07 crazy. okay. Apr 23 11:22:26 took a while for it to finish. there were a lot of "bing" sounds. Apr 23 11:22:32 * gevaerts remembers the old days when the default xterm configuration and a default printer together had interesting effects on cat Apr 23 11:23:39 liqflow would be more epic if it acted as a VU meter :P Apr 23 11:24:07 MohammadAG, thats easy Apr 23 11:24:15 play music loud enough and put it on a speaker Apr 23 11:24:35 LOL thought of that, but it's not a good way to pass the night :P Apr 23 11:24:45 (night = at 3 AM) Apr 23 11:24:57 tho in all seriousness i was playing with audio input and think its really really simple to be able to blow on the mic and have the flow move out from it Apr 23 11:24:58 nid0: does anyone of them handle MPOP yet? Apr 23 11:25:07 i personally use pidgin protcols for msot things but also use regular pidgin for OTR chats Apr 23 11:25:13 and msn b/c for some reason on my mobile provider Apr 23 11:25:13 frals no, and it's my biggest annoyance Apr 23 11:25:19 lcuk, i was thinking something like VLC Apr 23 11:25:26 msn wont connect via piidgin protcols but will via pidgin itself Apr 23 11:25:28 it has a software VU meter Apr 23 11:25:29 amsn are working on it, but they havent had any progress recently that i've read Apr 23 11:25:37 nid0: doh, only reason im not using it on my device yet Apr 23 11:25:41 MohammadAG, milkdrop esq? Apr 23 11:25:41 make the max VU reading the biggest bubble Apr 23 11:25:46 ? Apr 23 11:25:53 frals yeah, its the one thing that keeps me from using it properly Apr 23 11:25:54 theres a milkdrop thread on tmo Apr 23 11:26:08 milkymist? Apr 23 11:27:32 http://www.milkymist.org/ Apr 23 11:27:42 i wonder who came up with the great idea to £ on the swe/fi keyboard instead of & on the n900 Apr 23 11:28:16 frals: bah, need a German layout? ;-P Apr 23 11:28:17 frals, someone who types texts instead of code perhaps? Apr 23 11:28:39 mece: how often do you use £ over & when texting etc? :D Apr 23 11:28:47 DocScrutinizer: ;D Apr 23 11:28:54 lcuk, nah, visualizations are overrated Apr 23 11:29:02 frals, everytime I ask a question. Apr 23 11:29:12 ive got liqmic here Apr 23 11:29:17 lcuk, i was thinking about using the keyboard as a vu meter Apr 23 11:29:22 tho you have to ask mic if he wants to be licked Apr 23 11:29:26 uh, mece i think we have an tect encoding issue Apr 23 11:29:31 (think R&D mode) Apr 23 11:29:31 £ is GBP symbol Apr 23 11:29:33 no kidding, got me a decent qwerty. If someone needs a German keycaps mat, holler Apr 23 11:29:34 keyboard? Apr 23 11:29:40 text* Apr 23 11:29:48 lcuk, it flickers in R&D mode Apr 23 11:29:55 which gave me the whole VU idea Apr 23 11:30:02 frals, whadya mean? Apr 23 11:30:34 MohammadAG: see wiki. You got LED_KBD:1 .. 6 Apr 23 11:30:48 engine 3 can be bypassed afaik, since stopping mce in R&D mode keeps the keyboard on Apr 23 11:30:51 MohammadAG, but thats nto a vu meter lol Apr 23 11:30:57 and how do you know! Apr 23 11:31:04 are you doing r&d ? Apr 23 11:31:05 :D Apr 23 11:31:14 I enabled it once Apr 23 11:31:16 MohammadAG: all engines can be 'bypassed' Apr 23 11:31:18 no wasn't curious Apr 23 11:31:26 needed it for sth :) Apr 23 11:31:29 mece: the symbol on they keyboard im talking about is the symbol for brittish pounds Apr 23 11:31:43 DocScrutinizer, problem isn't the wiki, it's how to detect sound levels Apr 23 11:31:50 without actually using a mic Apr 23 11:31:51 mece: or do you commonly put that at the end of every question? Apr 23 11:32:08 MohammadAG: now THAT's easy, no? Apr 23 11:32:23 frals, LOL ok I see. Yes that is completely useless :D Apr 23 11:32:29 for a kickstart give arecord -vvv a try Apr 23 11:32:31 lcuk, I know it's not a VU meter (it's system activity), but it gave me the idea Apr 23 11:32:51 seems irssi is molesting my coding Apr 23 11:32:52 Hi! Does anybody know if a Scheme (at least R5RS) interpreter exists for Maemo? Apr 23 11:32:56 but why not start the trend... what do you think£ Apr 23 11:32:59 hee Apr 23 11:33:12 hehe Apr 23 11:33:18 DocScrutinizer, err, weird output lol Apr 23 11:35:03 DocScrutinizer, why does it keep outputting with no audio? Apr 23 11:36:04 maybe because it continues to record? Ah, and maybe you shouldn't display the raw audio data to stdout Apr 23 11:36:32 so 'arecord -vvv /dev/null' might be a little less weird Apr 23 11:36:46 DocScrutinizer, so it's using the mic? Apr 23 11:36:53 dunno Apr 23 11:37:14 try 'arecord -L -l' Apr 23 11:37:36 to show the valid and available audio devices for recording Apr 23 11:37:53 yeah using mic with that cmd Apr 23 11:39:11 that's been my weekend sports for last 3 years (maybe 4), so I almost know by heart the source of arecord/aplay Apr 23 11:40:17 and there one sure thing: ALSA *sucks*. And even more certainly PA is even worse Apr 23 11:42:47 DocScrutinizer, there seems to be only 1 device, RX51 Apr 23 11:42:57 card 0: RX51 [RX51], device 0: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0 [] Apr 23 11:43:46 frals: I was wrong, amsn does now support mpop Apr 23 11:44:04 but it's basic in the extreme, needs manually enabling, and breaks all p2p stuff on msn Apr 23 11:44:54 so try 'arecord -D plughw:0,0 -vvv /dev/null' Apr 23 11:47:45 anyone know why canola2 is acting weird for me? it doesn't seem to want to take text input Apr 23 11:48:05 know what would be nice to have... a contact status in the im window Apr 23 11:48:11 i'm trying to give it my last.fm login Apr 23 11:48:34 i can put my cursor in the box, but i can't type Apr 23 11:49:18 i need to file a enh req on bugs for it Apr 23 11:49:33 MohammadAG: maybe you need to enable and level up mic in 'alsamixer --card 0' Apr 23 11:49:49 same when trying to add an internet radip station Apr 23 11:49:55 DocScrutinizer, it's still using the mic Apr 23 11:50:14 DocScrutinizer, is there a way to 'pipe' audio into the mic channel? Apr 23 11:50:47 and mms Apr 23 11:50:48 heh Apr 23 11:51:09 i want to be able to send crappy 3gp video Apr 23 11:52:42 Mace_N900: record a video in 3GP format (or transcode), the send to wherever you like :-P Apr 23 11:53:00 s/, the/, then/ Apr 23 11:53:01 DocScrutinizer meant: Mace_N900: record a video in 3GP format (or transcode), then send to wherever you like :-P Apr 23 11:53:25 nid0: hmm, the p2p stuff being everything except messages right? :D Apr 23 11:53:53 essentially yeah, you lose file transfers, audio/video sharing, display pictures, custom emotes Apr 23 11:53:57 and probably some other stuff Apr 23 11:54:47 Nvm. I found guile-1.8 on -devel :) Apr 23 11:55:11 hmm, i can live without those, need to test amsn then Apr 23 11:55:34 BCMM_: maybe password input method that disabled echo? Apr 23 11:55:50 wouldve been nice if they used proper libraries like telepathy so it be easy to get it into conversations Apr 23 11:56:05 nah, does same for all text entry Apr 23 11:56:14 found a bug about it Apr 23 11:56:21 frals: I just tried it out and found it usable with mpop at least, so itll do me for now - you are gonna get spammed when you first login to amsn though, for some reason it sends you an "add contact" request for everyone on your contact and allow lists Apr 23 11:56:37 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6511 very very weird Apr 23 11:56:39 Bug 6511: Unable to type text in Canola on N900 Apr 23 11:56:59 hi all Apr 23 11:57:58 hmm, canola really was completely weird when I gave it a try Apr 23 11:58:21 workaround works... Apr 23 11:58:27 DocScrutinizer, what does alsamixer do? Apr 23 11:58:29 nid0: doh Apr 23 11:58:50 MohammadAG: fire it up and you'll see Apr 23 11:58:52 can i ask some question here Apr 23 11:59:08 rsadhu: you already did Apr 23 11:59:13 i'm rather impressed though that amsn managed to open like 150 contact request windows and the n900 didnt just say "fuck that" and crash Apr 23 11:59:16 gah canola is generally a bit odd Apr 23 11:59:28 DocScrutinizer, lol I did but it didn't work Apr 23 11:59:30 BCMM_: my words, no? Apr 23 11:59:39 (extra -, but that didn't work too) Apr 23 11:59:40 anyone here listen to last.fm streams on their n900? Apr 23 11:59:53 wrong -c argument 'ard' Apr 23 12:00:02 BCMM_, used to Apr 23 12:00:11 the website works but is flash so a bit horrid and very cpu intensive Apr 23 12:00:12 MohammadAG: alsamixer -c 0 Apr 23 12:00:17 @DocScrutinizer: hi , I'vent asked anything yet , i just bid hi to all Apr 23 12:00:33 a gui, nice! Apr 23 12:00:35 MohammadAG: how? Apr 23 12:00:47 vagulume (or however it's spelt) Apr 23 12:01:31 i couldn't make that stop saying "network connection error" Apr 23 12:01:44 DocScrutinizer, using headphones, it detects that, can change audio stuff, but still i don't get it lol Apr 23 12:01:49 BCMM_, define settings Apr 23 12:01:55 you need an API key Apr 23 12:02:01 google for the method Apr 23 12:02:08 yeah, got one... Apr 23 12:02:19 MohammadAG, amigadave, It's starting to come along :D Apr 23 12:02:40 i'll try again carefully if you're saying it works Apr 23 12:03:31 haha Apr 23 12:04:19 rsadhu: so shoot, we're wakiting :-) Apr 23 12:05:36 err what was the command that updates changes and changes file in debian? Apr 23 12:05:50 mece: dch -i ? Apr 23 12:05:58 Jaffa, thanks Apr 23 12:05:59 updates changes? Apr 23 12:06:03 i do it manually Apr 23 12:06:04 xD Apr 23 12:06:17 Jaffa, what does the -i do? Apr 23 12:06:26 iterate the build number? Apr 23 12:06:30 mece: Increments the last version... yeah Apr 23 12:06:37 k thanks Apr 23 12:07:32 MohammadAG: sorry I can't help much, no reference system here Apr 23 12:07:56 oh you didn't get one? Apr 23 12:08:05 uhmmm easy question, how can i start a new wiki page in wiki.maemo.org? Apr 23 12:09:03 @DocScrutnizer: I'm having some prob with my qt test plugin in maemo Apr 23 12:09:05 frade, do a search Apr 23 12:09:10 and when results come back Apr 23 12:09:17 if its not there you get option to make a new one Apr 23 12:09:30 Whenever i scroll or click on the plugin window and i'm not getting a event to plugin Apr 23 12:09:33 aaah! great Apr 23 12:09:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=hello_frade Apr 23 12:09:37 lcuk, thanks Apr 23 12:09:39 which basically is sent by X11 Apr 23 12:10:03 frade: Of course, if there's a page already there - refactor it rather than creating a new one. Apr 23 12:10:03 but same works for symbian , on linux qtlanucher Apr 23 12:10:04 lcuk, in this is going to be "i18n python" :) Apr 23 12:10:20 oh cool :) Apr 23 12:10:23 frade: if it's one you definitely need to create you can also just go to http://wiki.maemo.org/My_new_page and you can create it. Apr 23 12:11:23 Jaffa, ok, thanks... my experience in wikis was always "create a link and then follow it to create the page" Apr 23 12:11:29 frade theres a thread on tmo at the moment requesting ideas code suggestions for python speedups, if you or anyone else has any suggestions to add it would be welcome - we will write them up into some concrete guidelines for py devs http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 Apr 23 12:13:05 lcuk, my very modest tricks are on code level, cannot help much in the interpreter itself Apr 23 12:13:08 'write it in C'? Apr 23 12:13:10 but any help from there is welcome :D Apr 23 12:13:23 frade - code level is find :) Apr 23 12:13:43 if a young developer reads the resultant thread/pages and gets ideas it will help Apr 23 12:13:50 N900evil_, bah! not the easiest Apr 23 12:14:15 awk then. Apr 23 12:14:19 :) Apr 23 12:16:17 * MohammadAG dreamt about PR1.2 today xD Apr 23 12:19:51 Last night, I dreamt of mandlebrot again. Apr 23 12:19:56 @DocScruntiizer????????????????????? Apr 23 12:19:59 r u there Apr 23 12:20:43 does anyoen have idea which of the 4 msn plugins would be best? Apr 23 12:30:06 HOOOOORAAAAAY - N900 ready for pickup at repair store :-)))) Apr 23 12:30:20 woo Apr 23 12:30:21 :) Apr 23 12:31:21 cya guys - have an urgent date at other end of town Apr 23 12:31:27 DocScrutinizer: :D Apr 23 12:31:47 lcuk: hi ... Apr 23 12:31:53 My headphones from the n900 were sent back to repair Apr 23 12:31:54 lcuk: you are coding in py now ? Apr 23 12:31:56 they did not work anymore Apr 23 12:32:19 Khertan_, im working now, no code Apr 23 12:32:33 but python has always appealed, its just not fast enough for the things i want Apr 23 12:32:58 Khertan_, you have yourself a sketch editor in python dont you Apr 23 12:33:02 could you do a test for me Apr 23 12:33:09 on my n900 the camera lid is a bit broken, it sometimes shows some metal between the plastic Apr 23 12:33:11 i'd like a screenshot of you writing this: Apr 23 12:33:19 but I don't want to send my n900 away just because of this ;( Apr 23 12:33:20 lcuk: in fact i ve both different sketch made for diablo Apr 23 12:33:37 Markus23: you mean the slidy thing is loose? Apr 23 12:33:41 on with x11lib Apr 23 12:33:44 http://liqbase.net/liq.20100409_133726.liqtop1.scr.png Apr 23 12:33:54 and one using gtk.DrawingArea Apr 23 12:33:59 ahh cheating Apr 23 12:34:09 :) Apr 23 12:34:19 the x11 one is really fast :) Apr 23 12:34:21 khetthe reason why - i did a quick test using entirely pyqt and qpainter.* and got this: Apr 23 12:34:27 http://liqbase.net/liqmini.qt.Screenshot-20100409-133149.png Apr 23 12:34:35 I can read that with no problemo Apr 23 12:34:46 now thats very ugly prototype code, and could obviously be optimised Apr 23 12:34:52 strange as pyqt should not be slower than qt.drawingarea Apr 23 12:35:04 lots of lines Apr 23 12:35:06 lcuk: if you want i can try to optimize it a bit Apr 23 12:35:15 theres many of the qpainter.* methods which are sluggish Apr 23 12:35:21 i noticed it first with colliding mice Apr 23 12:35:33 ouch Apr 23 12:35:36 i took the colliding mice example which is native qt Apr 23 12:35:41 and bumped the mouse count to 50 Apr 23 12:35:52 to be honest i didn't well know qt as i'm learning it Apr 23 12:35:54 the blocker *on my desktop* to smooth running was qpainter Apr 23 12:36:11 anyone can give me a hint on how to capture/record the commands from my remote control with lirc? Apr 23 12:36:36 lcuk: let me 5 min i ll try to found where i put my gtk.drawing code :) Apr 23 12:36:53 Khertan_, sure, its just a test Apr 23 12:37:08 andi-: irrecord? Apr 23 12:37:09 i know it works in maepad and in xournal and obviously liqbase Apr 23 12:37:16 adeus: says mode not supported Apr 23 12:37:17 love doing assignments in a basic course when ive already passed the advanced course in the same subject Apr 23 12:37:22 i think gtk is solid for it Apr 23 12:37:33 yep but it should work in qt too Apr 23 12:37:41 when i see the 2d painting example Apr 23 12:37:46 i think im overdoing it a tad by breaking this whole assignment horribly in each step Apr 23 12:37:53 it s seems running well Apr 23 12:38:28 Khertan_, it might do i had many other more important things to run around playing with Apr 23 12:38:36 i just picked up pyqt one night and hacked that in Apr 23 12:39:08 from a hackability perspective i was pleased but perf was poor and would need more extreme optimizations and changes than i had time to consider Apr 23 12:39:09 but for example Apr 23 12:39:35 i picked up the QHilighterSyntax ... and i m currently making some tests with it Apr 23 12:39:48 and got a py source code editor really faster ... Apr 23 12:39:56 :D cooool beans Apr 23 12:40:02 I doubt that the speed of QPainter has any real impact on an example like this. Apr 23 12:40:31 and i can imagine implementing code completion ... something that i ve try with gtk ... but require too much optimization to be fast Apr 23 12:41:11 tackat, actually... Apr 23 12:41:28 that is entirely qpainter Apr 23 12:41:36 since it just draws lots of lines Apr 23 12:41:41 very little processing Apr 23 12:42:00 the text gets less readable as it spends more time each frame rendering lines Apr 23 12:42:27 "frame" ? :) Apr 23 12:42:32 its a very dumb test and the code could be optimized to not render everything - but shows effect most clearly Apr 23 12:42:44 use colliding mice on high spec machine for a much nicer example Apr 23 12:43:02 a game using qpainter rendering primatives wouldnt work well Apr 23 12:43:07 lcuk: send me the source at khertan@khertan.net ... i ll try to optimize it in the train this afternoon Apr 23 12:43:07 :) Apr 23 12:43:08 (you want more than 7 mice running) Apr 23 12:43:36 lcuk: a pygame with more than seven sprite is slow too Apr 23 12:43:40 lcuk: well, in Marble we render coastlines, coutry borders and lots of other stuff using QPainter Apr 23 12:44:28 but this is slow because all the screen is refresh Apr 23 12:44:31 lcuk: I don't think your problem is QPainter itself. It's probably something else. Apr 23 12:44:36 which is a really bad idea Apr 23 12:45:22 tackat, most generic qt widgets use qpainter in their render slot, true? Apr 23 12:45:23 yes, for this example there is no good reason to redraw it all the time. Apr 23 12:45:31 lcuk: yes. Apr 23 12:45:49 hence, speed up qpainter generic methods and you speed up entire qt Apr 23 12:45:54 save battery life etc Apr 23 12:45:56 Argh - despotify is fucked up cause of Spotify making changes in the challenges between server and client. Apr 23 12:46:34 i am aware there are additional methods in qpainter which can optimize experience Apr 23 12:46:50 calling a drawpolygon function instead of 10 line calls Apr 23 12:46:55 but that is not my point Apr 23 12:47:17 lcuk: speed of QPainter will depend on lots of stuff (like what graphicssystem you use and lots of other stuff) Apr 23 12:47:32 its slow on all platforms that i know Apr 23 12:48:37 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8968699 Apr 23 12:48:39 gah Apr 23 12:50:35 SpeedEvil: yeah, the slidy thing is loose, sometimes the plastic pops out a milimeter or so and you see a piece of metal below Apr 23 12:52:47 lcuk: try running your app with the command line parameter "-graphicssystem raster " Apr 23 12:54:00 tackat, i pressed the "play" button in qt Apr 23 12:54:09 how would i run it differently? Apr 23 12:54:21 ?????? Apr 23 12:54:38 ah Apr 23 12:54:41 you mean qt creator Apr 23 12:54:45 :D Apr 23 12:54:54 or whatever IDE you are using :) Apr 23 12:54:58 yes Apr 23 12:55:15 load colliding mice, change the constant "MouseCount" to 50, click run Apr 23 12:55:22 lcuk: well a guy with your skills should know how to run the app from a console Apr 23 12:55:23 ;) Apr 23 12:55:33 if you want to run it outside the ide, just put the needed qt dll:s to the folder of the exe and just run there, not sure why you would like to do that Apr 23 12:55:38 before deploying Apr 23 12:55:44 then go into the paint event and strip out most of the painter.* calls and my super fast computer has mice that no longer judder Apr 23 12:55:53 assuming your in windows Apr 23 12:56:07 linux the .so:s are in your "path" already Apr 23 12:56:12 tackat :) i am a visual basic developer Apr 23 12:56:21 I started to figure that Apr 23 12:56:23 rohhhh ! Apr 23 12:57:47 tackat: no need to be condescending Apr 23 12:58:41 crashanddie: ;-) Apr 23 12:59:24 ouch 10min for syntax hilighting a 5Mb python source code in PyGTKEditor ... 30s to do it in khteditor Apr 23 12:59:25 huhu Apr 23 12:59:34 lololol Apr 23 12:59:44 why have you got a 5mb source file btw Apr 23 12:59:49 isnt that a bitch even on desktop Apr 23 12:59:53 just for test Apr 23 12:59:54 :) Apr 23 12:59:55 isn't it instant in gedit? :P Apr 23 13:00:03 MohammadAG: nope ... Apr 23 13:00:09 MohammadAG, for 5mb it wont be instant anywhere afail Apr 23 13:00:10 and less on the n900 Apr 23 13:00:12 afaik Apr 23 13:00:19 on my i5 it is, I wonder why Apr 23 13:00:20 :P Apr 23 13:00:22 as gedit isn't available :) Apr 23 13:00:31 build it and see Apr 23 13:00:37 its standard gtk isnt it? Apr 23 13:00:52 gedit? yeah, but the spell checker is a pita Apr 23 13:00:57 of course on my desktop it s instant in khteditor Apr 23 13:00:58 might as well just dump it Apr 23 13:01:08 Khertan_, was just jk :P Apr 23 13:01:25 lcuk: the problem of gedit on n900 is the gtksourcebuffer :) Apr 23 13:01:31 32000MHz > 600MHz (slightly bigger) Apr 23 13:01:40 32 Ghz Apr 23 13:01:41 ouch Apr 23 13:01:43 more powerfuk Apr 23 13:01:46 err Apr 23 13:01:49 :) Apr 23 13:01:56 -one 0 Apr 23 13:01:58 yeah ... but it s a x86 Apr 23 13:02:00 now we know MohammadAG is in some super top secret government lab Apr 23 13:02:03 x64 Apr 23 13:02:06 Khertan_: is khteditor in your repo? Apr 23 13:02:08 worst :) Apr 23 13:02:21 crashanddie: khteditor is far from being finish Apr 23 13:02:31 lcuk, i'm with the terrorists :P Apr 23 13:02:31 it s a complete rewrite Apr 23 13:02:33 in qt Apr 23 13:02:34 :) Apr 23 13:02:48 using maemo to take over the south pole Apr 23 13:02:56 but i currently implementing hook to make plugins Apr 23 13:03:05 penguins ftw Apr 23 13:03:08 once that done, i ll made surely a first pre-release Apr 23 13:03:15 lcuk, I thought bacon was ftw Apr 23 13:03:18 on maemo-devel? Apr 23 13:03:30 maemo-what ? Apr 23 13:03:31 nope Apr 23 13:03:55 will be only on Kht Repository Apr 23 13:03:56 shame Apr 23 13:04:06 do the packaging if you want Apr 23 13:04:07 :) Apr 23 13:04:17 im sure someone will if they like it Apr 23 13:04:51 i didn't believe in that :) Apr 23 13:05:09 I'll do it if you want :) Apr 23 13:05:18 ok ... Apr 23 13:05:28 but before i need to finish it :) Apr 23 13:05:36 * MohammadAG asks for donations Apr 23 13:05:38 jk :P Apr 23 13:05:39 MohammadAG: You have a good compile environment for making .deb's? Apr 23 13:05:54 phellarv, scratchbox on an i5 Apr 23 13:05:56 you can also begin by packaging PyGTKEditor 3.0.15 if you want Apr 23 13:06:04 lol... australian politician "The internet is dangerous. Child pornography is readily available, as are drugs and violence" <-- No you idiot. You get out of it what you put into it. It's not like you ask Google "What is the capital of Mozambique", and suddenly your computer asks "Want to see some tang, old man?" Apr 23 13:06:07 source available on my repository Apr 23 13:06:34 MohammadAG: Could I be so rude to ask you to make a deb out of the latest svn-commit to despotify? Apr 23 13:06:37 crashanddie: hum ... not so lol ... we have the same sentence from French 1 minister Apr 23 13:06:56 phellarv, nope Apr 23 13:06:57 Khertan_: yeah, but in France they're not talking about implementing a firewall Apr 23 13:07:03 not rude at all... Apr 23 13:07:11 crashanddie: they are Apr 23 13:07:17 Khertan_: eh? Apr 23 13:07:21 yep Apr 23 13:07:23 phellarv, does it use PR1.2 stuff? Apr 23 13:07:25 MohammadAG: Kk Apr 23 13:07:31 MohammadAG: Nope Apr 23 13:07:32 cause my i5 is a PR1.2 sdk Apr 23 13:07:33 crashanddie: on page 5 of images.google.com you find http://www.carstenbloch.de/Filip/AA_87847_017.jpg Apr 23 13:07:37 Oh. Apr 23 13:07:40 which is probably what the guy is afraid of Apr 23 13:07:41 ah so it shouldn't matter Apr 23 13:07:51 phellarv, only GTK matters Apr 23 13:07:55 err Apr 23 13:08:04 that was a very wrongly built sentence Apr 23 13:08:05 Khertan_: link? Apr 23 13:08:11 only Qt is affected Apr 23 13:08:26 MohammadAG: No QT/GTK - ncurses based client for Spotify Apr 23 13:08:53 Khertan_: loppsi 2? Apr 23 13:09:56 crashanddie: that's the problem with all the ignorant assholes. Internet they don't understand and it's 'somehow related' to stuff they pretend to dislike. So let's kill internet -> problem solved. None of these idiots ever suggested to tear down parcel service to stop bombs in packages. Or ask mail delivery service to scan every letter for certain keywords and keep track of origin of all letters they ever process Apr 23 13:10:16 Stskeeps: WTF - Are you sure thats what you were trying to link to? What the hell is that guy doing to himself!? Apr 23 13:10:32 DocScrutinizer: the thing is, I'm not against a system that prevents child porn to be transmitted Apr 23 13:10:38 DocScrutinizer: hell, if it were possible, I'd go for it Apr 23 13:10:40 DocScrutinizer: they don't want to kill it, but control it Apr 23 13:10:49 Termana: images.google.com search for 'What is the capital of Mozambique' Apr 23 13:10:57 DocScrutinizer: which is a sysuphosian task itself Apr 23 13:11:19 crashanddie: ouaip Apr 23 13:11:21 crashanddie: http://gendarmes-en-colere.forum2discussion.net/gendarmes-et-citoyens-le-forum-principal-f1/la-lopsi-2-aux-oubliettes-en-2009-redemarre-en-2010-t16615.htm Apr 23 13:11:22 MohammadAG: Nvm - Gonna get my feet wet, and test out this scratchbox-crosscompile-thingydajingy Apr 23 13:11:22 DocScrutinizer: the real problem comes from the fact that control means abuse. How tempting is it for any government to start pressing buttons that will censor things they don't like Apr 23 13:12:21 about as simple as you kickbanning things you dont like :p Apr 23 13:12:25 crashanddie: and from what i hear from the senat 's debate ... is a firewall Apr 23 13:12:29 hmm, I have to take the blame for starting to state the obvious Apr 23 13:12:33 crashanddie: DocScrutinizer: They have publicly admitted that they won't be able to track p2p traffic - which is where it "all at" (i suppose). Apr 23 13:12:40 its* Apr 23 13:13:06 Termana: no, real hardcore child pornography isn't on public P2P networks Apr 23 13:13:13 the point is it's silly, as they can only fight the medium, not the content Apr 23 13:13:26 it's on VPN networks, unknown and impossible to detect from other encrypted data Apr 23 13:13:34 and the content can change distribution channels easily (unlike the tracking/censorship tools) Apr 23 13:14:07 crashanddie: You'll have to excuse me for not being in the know of where the hardcore stuff is suppose to be. I don't intentially try and track where its all at :P Apr 23 13:14:12 crashanddie: now, to wait until someone suggests 'if you have nothing to hide you dont need to encrypt anything' :) Apr 23 13:14:36 achipa: bollocks. Everyone is entitled to their privacy Apr 23 13:14:44 you over estimate the skill level of humans crashanddie, there is plenty of evidence from news of people caught using regular email and websites (wasnt there a facebook group reported at some point?) Apr 23 13:15:05 achipa: that would be like banning envelopes from snail mail "Why do you mind people snooping through your mail?" Apr 23 13:15:11 crashanddie: all it takes is a good excuse to make it look less painful when they take it away Apr 23 13:15:50 lcuk: yeah, but that's the miniature parts at the top -- the bits the media can get their hands on Apr 23 13:16:08 crashanddie: no, that analogy is wrong, as technically, they ARE allowed to do that on proper grounds Apr 23 13:16:38 achipa: no, nobody is allowed to go through my mail unless they have probably cause Apr 23 13:16:44 i hope the media doesnt get its hands on anything with this subject matter Apr 23 13:16:55 frankly its wildly offtopic for this channel Apr 23 13:16:57 crashanddie: that's what I meant under proper grounds Apr 23 13:16:59 but meh Apr 23 13:17:07 lcuk: good point Apr 23 13:18:08 Of course, the bill still has to pass through. And even if it does, we have federal election coming up next april :P Apr 23 13:18:08 MohammadAG: Nvm - Gonna get my feet wet, and test out this scratchbox-crosscompile-thingydajingy Apr 23 13:18:25 it's fairly easy to set it up Apr 23 13:18:55 MohammadAG: Mmm - It is pretty straight forward yes Apr 23 13:20:46 MohammadAG: fremantle5.0minimal_armel? Apr 23 13:20:58 ? Apr 23 13:21:04 use the scripts phellarv Apr 23 13:21:11 (scripts not GUI) Apr 23 13:21:39 MohammadAG: I use http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html as a HowTo Apr 23 13:21:49 sec Apr 23 13:22:46 Aha - I skipped the part with the installer-script Apr 23 13:22:51 information privacy or lack of it must affect what we do as a software community Apr 23 13:23:29 MohammadAG: I'm old-fashioned - I like to see (and possibly understand) what is done in the process. Apr 23 13:23:35 unfortunately, we cant ignore lawmakers. much as we would like to Apr 23 13:23:58 phellarv, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Apr 23 13:24:15 phellarv, same, that's why I said use the scripts not the GUI Apr 23 13:27:09 hello Apr 23 13:36:07 Personnaly on ubuntu i ve used the GUI SDK Installer Apr 23 13:36:12 and it s works well Apr 23 13:36:52 ubuntu 10.04 32bits Apr 23 13:38:24 asdf. i just downgraded to 9.10 because gui installer failed Apr 23 13:39:39 Khertan_, mind if I ask you a question? Apr 23 13:39:55 yep ? Apr 23 13:40:43 * Khertan_ is disapointed ... OpenSonic run at 12 fps only :( Apr 23 13:41:51 Khertan_, I want to use the kinetic scrolling window (like the one in your app) for my app Apr 23 13:41:54 not sure how Apr 23 13:42:30 which framework are you using ? gtk / qt ? Apr 23 13:42:37 for gtk i can help you ... :) Apr 23 13:42:40 for qt nope :) Apr 23 13:42:54 so for gtk i use hildon.PannableArea() Apr 23 13:42:59 Khertan, pyGTK Apr 23 13:43:06 which is why I'm asking you :) Apr 23 13:43:10 héhé Apr 23 13:43:18 Uuuh - good thing I have a 30Mbit line... Apr 23 13:43:35 phellarv, lol Apr 23 13:43:57 reinstalling the SDK is a pain lol Apr 23 13:44:01 Mhmm Apr 23 13:45:42 Khertan_, the app's object oriented, which is also a pain Apr 23 13:45:52 not sure which part handles the main window Apr 23 13:46:09 which apps ? Apr 23 13:46:18 the N900's small screen isn't helping Apr 23 13:46:32 Khertan_, http://maemo.org/packages/view/noor Apr 23 13:46:38 (source is there) Apr 23 13:46:39 Do I really need the X86 target? Apr 23 13:47:03 no Apr 23 13:47:09 for testing yes Apr 23 13:47:12 Nah - did not think so either Apr 23 13:47:27 I can test on my N900 - ;-P Apr 23 13:55:50 MohammadAG_: in noorgtk.pyw replace simply the gtk.scrolledwindow by a hildon.PannableArea Apr 23 13:55:58 line 87 :) Apr 23 13:56:09 only one word? Apr 23 13:56:10 i ven't test ... but should be enough Apr 23 13:56:57 of course remove also line 83,84,85 Apr 23 13:57:11 ah now sorry it s for the other window Apr 23 13:57:11 :) Apr 23 13:57:31 ah no sorry it s for the other window Apr 23 14:01:07 Khertan_, is there a way to replace that list with a list that's scrollable with a text box Apr 23 14:01:42 like the Default language setting in pyGTKeditor Apr 23 14:02:34 sndqueue.h:10:31: error: vorbis/vorbisfile.h: No such file or directory Apr 23 14:02:37 Argh Apr 23 14:04:28 I'm making dinner for my family, and trying to crosscompile despotify for Maemo5 - who the .... said that men could not multitask.... Apr 23 14:05:06 cd dinner-1.0 && ./configure && make Apr 23 14:05:08 :p Apr 23 14:05:57 MohammadAG_: probably :) Apr 23 14:06:10 you can look at the pygtkeditor source code Apr 23 14:06:16 it s in pge_preferences.py Apr 23 14:06:30 to look in the code you can just install it on your n900 :) Apr 23 14:06:39 or take it from my own repository Apr 23 14:06:53 it is installed lol Apr 23 14:06:58 http://khertan.net/repository/dists/fremantle/user/binary-armel/sources/pygtkeditor_3.0.15-1.tar.gz Apr 23 14:07:03 installed Apr 23 14:07:05 same version Apr 23 14:07:19 : Apr 23 14:07:20 :) Apr 23 14:07:30 use it quite a lot Apr 23 14:07:43 I wanted gedit, but I found pygtkeditor Apr 23 14:09:52 YES Apr 23 14:10:03 chicken got compiled? Apr 23 14:11:14 HAHA Apr 23 14:11:20 Nope - but despotify Apr 23 14:12:13 hi Apr 23 14:13:12 dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. Apr 23 14:13:15 Wuut? Apr 23 14:13:27 phellarv, compat file in debian/ Apr 23 14:13:34 aah - kk Apr 23 14:13:46 might be 7 in your case Apr 23 14:15:16 Khertan_ : I noticed in the python optimization thread on TMO you mention 'khteditor' Apr 23 14:15:30 is that like PyGtKEditor, just in Qt, or for writing Qt code? Apr 23 14:15:44 hi Apr 23 14:15:50 hi Mece Apr 23 14:15:59 dpkg-deb: building package `despotify' in `../despotify_0.0.0-0_armel.deb'. Apr 23 14:16:02 Bahaha Apr 23 14:16:10 Mark the version-number Apr 23 14:16:15 \o/ Apr 23 14:16:19 phellarv, use dpkg-buildpackage Apr 23 14:16:22 pollitishin: for the moment it s just in the beginning ... but the purpose is to create a full source code editor with the qt framework Apr 23 14:16:44 but what you mean by " or for writing qt" Apr 23 14:16:44 Wow! thanks for that! Apr 23 14:17:02 you will be able to write any source code :) Apr 23 14:17:14 for writing Qt source code, with proper syntax highlighting Apr 23 14:17:41 hum ... yes pygtkeditor didn't hilight qt name :) Apr 23 14:17:44 nice! keep up the good work. Apr 23 14:18:08 but for the moment i ve just the python syntax hilighter working (and working really faster than on pygtkeditor) Apr 23 14:18:18 and some basic function like open/save Apr 23 14:18:42 i'm working right now on the pluggin arch Apr 23 14:19:02 when do you expect an alpha/beta to be made available? Apr 23 14:19:17 ~ping Apr 23 14:19:18 ~pong Apr 23 14:19:20 pollitishin: if you want to hilight also qt word in pygtkeditor ... you can edit the python.xml syntax file Apr 23 14:19:28 pollitishin: nothing planned yet Apr 23 14:19:30 weird, wifi light just went out on my lappy Apr 23 14:19:33 as i'm learning qt :) Apr 23 14:19:48 and at least it ll not be before pr1.2 Apr 23 14:20:07 * MohammadAG_ substitutes never for pr1.2 Apr 23 14:20:12 so... as they say better unpolished code, than no code Apr 23 14:20:23 * RST38h though pr1.2 was cancelled, no? Apr 23 14:20:36 ok i reformulate ... Apr 23 14:20:51 btw its possible to get a lot of parts of 1.2 on the phone itself Apr 23 14:20:57 it ll not be before qt4.6 is available with pyside 0.3.x :) Apr 23 14:21:02 badly. Apr 23 14:21:04 One of the pr1.2 fixes was the fixing of battery draining bug introduced in pr.1, and I want it :/ Apr 23 14:21:29 * Khertan_ is waiting qt 4.6 and pyside binding ... and also mfe fix Apr 23 14:21:31 RST38h, no, it wasn't canceled, it still has a set target release date of someday Apr 23 14:21:32 but a major warning, I installed to many of themz and hads to reflash Apr 23 14:21:51 pollitishin, did that two months ago :P Apr 23 14:22:24 so do you know which updates are safe, and which ones might cause the endless reboot? Apr 23 14:23:18 right now I have just the updated Qt libs, and its running fine no problems Apr 23 14:23:56 I updated the rss,a nd also no problems (also no noticable difference) Apr 23 14:23:59 hum ... interesting Apr 23 14:24:20 the question is is it safe to update microb? Apr 23 14:24:25 so i try the evening to install qt 4.6 too :) Apr 23 14:24:58 good luck, just be careful Apr 23 14:28:23 MohammadAG_: Where do I set "Provides" in a packages (buildtime) Apr 23 14:28:37 ? Apr 23 14:28:55 changelog for when the changes were made Apr 23 14:30:30 Nah. I want the despotify package to provide bot despotify and libdespotify - for dependencies in other packages Apr 23 14:31:26 Android on the iPhone, something else to keep users from thinking about PR1.2 Apr 23 14:32:04 phellarv, not sure what you mean, but I think you need to edit the control file for that Apr 23 14:33:05 MohammadAG_: That was my first tought too... but hmmm... Apr 23 14:34:01 phellarv, take a look at the frozen bubble source Apr 23 14:34:13 it makes two packages, one's for data and one's for the game itself Apr 23 14:34:17 hi noobmonk3y Apr 23 14:35:00 hey MohammadAG_ :D - how goes the programming guru? :D Apr 23 14:35:28 since when am I a guru? Apr 23 14:35:29 :P Apr 23 14:36:03 since allways, you are just teasing me with your supposed need for help :D Apr 23 14:36:11 gonna help me with pull my finger? Apr 23 14:36:24 meh brb phone... again :( Apr 23 14:36:48 noobmonk3y, if I can Apr 23 14:48:12 hey ok so I'd like my debian/rules to create a directory in /home/user/ that is owned by user, and then a symlink pointing to that directory. how would one go about doing that? Apr 23 14:49:00 it might be better to use a postinst script to do that Apr 23 14:52:59 MohammadAG oh righty. Apr 23 15:11:11 guys, I remember there was an option to display the current gps location in the status of all IM connections. I forgot where I found it... Apr 23 15:12:51 it is behind the status-text-input Apr 23 15:13:16 "My location" Apr 23 15:13:21 ah yes! Apr 23 15:13:26 ya gotta moo in capslock some days Apr 23 15:14:08 I wonder if its possible to use network location only ()[Dno gps[C[C[C[C for that Apr 23 15:14:58 ... sorry about that. funny 2G connection Apr 23 15:21:33 maemo needs to get an air beta going Apr 23 15:25:07 Disconnect, cool, code one up then Apr 23 15:25:25 lcuk: sure, send me the flash plugin source and i'll get started. Apr 23 15:25:42 Disconnect, ask adobe Apr 23 15:25:43 oh, wait, thats right, its all closed source and only the nokia employees here have contacts at adobe to do that.. gee... i forgot.. Apr 23 15:25:57 actually, adobe isn't interested Apr 23 15:33:06 damn dbus Apr 23 15:33:21 damn git Apr 23 15:33:53 damn back muscles Apr 23 15:35:58 lcuk, git's actually pretty good Apr 23 15:36:19 its not behaving for me Apr 23 15:36:36 slap it with a trout Apr 23 15:36:46 that leaves a mess on the keyboard Apr 23 15:36:50 * lcuk explains problem: Apr 23 15:37:40 have a project on server A, sequential simple commits. came to update and server A offline. pushed to server B and spent time pushing toserver B for a while. Apr 23 15:37:50 now i want to push back to server A and keep all the history Apr 23 15:38:21 that's not too bad Apr 23 15:38:39 git tells me i have to kill kittens and stuff Apr 23 15:38:49 * MohammadAG_ explains his problems Apr 23 15:39:01 I need to get the song that's playing in mafw Apr 23 15:39:05 ~ $ mdbus2 com.nokia.mafw-gst-renderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer Apr 23 15:39:05 [ERR]: No introspection data at object '/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer' Apr 23 15:39:29 your git problem isn't that bad, wanna swap projects? :P Apr 23 15:39:46 would be nice for a few days :) Apr 23 15:40:00 is it warm there also - cos swapping projects involves swapping countries Apr 23 15:40:11 Stskeeps: hmhm, is bootmenu usable to just boot a different kernel? Apr 23 15:40:13 hey, its sunny in norfolk! Apr 23 15:40:23 it's sunny in the north pole too Apr 23 15:40:36 I think it's sunny for about 6 months there Apr 23 15:40:58 lcuk, there isn't much bacon here :P Apr 23 15:41:07 thats ok Apr 23 15:41:09 i can cope Apr 23 15:41:14 ... Apr 23 15:41:16 Corsac: with kexec, make a /linuxrc file and use ITEM_LINUXRC Apr 23 15:41:22 how could you move somewhere with no bacon. Apr 23 15:41:49 nid0, i have bacon in my heart and arteries and kidneys... Apr 23 15:42:13 that's not healthy lcuk Apr 23 15:42:26 very tasty tho Apr 23 15:45:08 I would think barring moving to israel and living without bacon, your git problem might be more easily solved by a more reliable server :> Apr 23 15:45:39 nid0, server A is gitorious Apr 23 15:45:42 :) Apr 23 15:46:02 Hi there, got some trouble booting after mv /var /home; ln -s /home/var/ /var Apr 23 15:46:06 Phone is not booting Apr 23 15:46:07 looks like you're off to israwl then Apr 23 15:46:09 Any hints? Apr 23 15:46:29 marcvs2, i wouldnt do that if i were you Apr 23 15:46:32 erm. unless im much mistaken, you're left with reflashing Apr 23 15:46:37 as your device is now bricked Apr 23 15:46:45 not bricked, but not healthy Apr 23 15:47:13 unless you can get a serial connection into it i think you are a bit screwed Apr 23 15:47:24 cool Apr 23 15:47:39 cool indeed Apr 23 15:47:43 I saw some guys dual booting into android Apr 23 15:47:43 isnt /var required before home is mounted Apr 23 15:47:44 R&D might help Apr 23 15:47:50 Stskeeps: hmhm, good point, I could do that too Apr 23 15:47:53 * MohammadAG_ adds a not Apr 23 15:47:55 lcuk yeah basically afaik Apr 23 15:47:55 I was hoping for a boot from sd or so Apr 23 15:48:02 at least it'll prevent me to run my n900 unbootable :) Apr 23 15:48:14 marcvs2, generally for that to work you have to pre-prepare Apr 23 15:48:27 theres a hole for running a script at boot time if oyu have a file on / afaik Apr 23 15:48:40 but you have to have it there before you break stuff Apr 23 15:48:41 Matan made it iirc Apr 23 15:48:55 lcuk, thx, so I'll get instructions for reflashing... Apr 23 15:49:14 reflashing's very simple :> Apr 23 15:49:20 he has/user a .co.il domain, so he might company you lcuk Apr 23 15:49:22 Puh, Apr 23 15:49:27 good Apr 23 15:49:30 ~flashing Apr 23 15:49:31 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 23 15:52:57 Since here're some experts: I was wondering if there's a good reason for staying with libc6-2.5. This keeps us from using plain debian stable. Apr 23 15:55:27 marcvs2, you can try a switcharoo to see for yourself :) Apr 23 15:55:36 but might be an idea to keep those flashing instructions handy Apr 23 15:56:18 ok. Apr 23 15:57:48 is there any way to have 2 mail for exchange account syncs? (or any other suggestions for magic gmail contact/calendar sync and an exchange-only email account that has no imap support) Apr 23 16:11:59 ok. made the Fheroes2 deb.. Apr 23 16:16:28 Stskeeps: the kernel with kexec is the “enhanced linux kernl for power users†? Apr 23 16:20:58 wow Apr 23 16:21:03 mece: is it in repository? Apr 23 16:21:25 no, i'm still working on how to create the 3 files I need. Apr 23 16:21:48 which is? Apr 23 16:21:50 it's some easy command but I can't find it right now. Apr 23 16:22:11 what's name of that file? Apr 23 16:22:22 changes, dsc, tar.gz Apr 23 16:22:33 dpkg-buildpkg should do it for you Apr 23 16:23:34 yeah. just found it.. Apr 23 16:23:51 "unrepresentable changes to source" Apr 23 16:23:53 meh Apr 23 16:26:25 friday night, and I'm at home Apr 23 16:26:32 world gone mad Apr 23 16:26:33 what to do? Apr 23 16:26:39 grr Apr 23 16:31:39 uh oh.. Apr 23 16:31:58 hmm can I create orig out of my existing package? Apr 23 16:32:08 if so, then how do I do it? Apr 23 16:32:20 --createorig Apr 23 16:32:43 till-: ping Apr 23 16:32:46 on dpkg-buildpackage? Apr 23 16:32:59 mece: you want smth like dpkg-buildpackage -sa Apr 23 16:33:11 mece: it'll create all three. Apr 23 16:33:41 k, thanks Apr 23 16:33:41 mece, no, when generating the debian files with dh_make Apr 23 16:33:56 try what he said, I don't use .diff.gz Apr 23 16:33:57 err I have the debian files done, I don't want to recreate them Apr 23 16:34:48 dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S Apr 23 16:35:19 or .sa for .diff.gz Apr 23 16:35:35 yay that one made what I needed. Apr 23 16:35:49 should I upload to autobiolder? Apr 23 16:35:54 extras Apr 23 16:38:06 mece, if you want to... Apr 23 16:38:07 http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-stylus-su-37 Apr 23 16:38:28 ironic that it doesn't say it's supported for the 5800/N900 Apr 23 16:39:10 omg the slowness of garage! Apr 23 16:39:37 it's quite fast Apr 23 16:39:45 ok.. damn it's me then Apr 23 16:40:49 * andrewblack_ misses having fifterboy around to help me with small projects Apr 23 16:41:24 * mece is uploading Free Heroes 2 to autobuilder Apr 23 16:41:29 andrewblack_: he got a job, facebook claims :) Apr 23 16:41:32 (finally) Apr 23 16:41:35 mece, go make a cuppa or something Apr 23 16:41:45 gotta put the kids to bed. Apr 23 16:41:47 Stskeeps: hmhm, kexec doesn't seem to work at all :/ (though I'm not yet sure if my kernel is bootable/kexec'able so I'll try with the standard maemo kernel just to be sure Apr 23 16:41:51 Stskeeps: thats good for him Apr 23 16:42:01 andrewblack_: so he showed up on irc for first time the other day Apr 23 16:42:01 Stskeeps: not as good for me :) Apr 23 16:42:28 Stskeeps: trying kexec -l maemo-kernel --command-line=$(cat /proc/cmdline) && kexec -e should work, shouldn't it? Apr 23 16:42:28 Stskeeps: thats cool the funny thing is when I was out of work in the past I was on irc more lol Apr 23 16:43:15 Corsac: i'm not the right person to ask :P Apr 23 16:43:24 grmbl :) Apr 23 16:43:36 you recommended me kexec, I though you had played with it :) Apr 23 16:43:36 i'm about to dive into same stuff Apr 23 16:43:38 "death to all gnubies" LOL Apr 23 16:44:23 http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=126119434601815&w=2 seems to say that it won't work with maemo kernel, not sure about the power user maemo kernel Apr 23 16:45:21 Corsac: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_kexec_install_on_N900 Apr 23 16:45:36 yeah, I'm following that too Apr 23 16:46:03 hmhm, but maybe I still miss the kernel-flasher-maemo Apr 23 16:46:04 well, it says which kernel package from extras-devel has it.. Apr 23 16:46:45 I have the power user kernel, or something, but I guess it's not flashed so it won't boot it and so I'm still using the not-kexec-capable kernel Apr 23 16:47:11 hmhm, uname replies 2.6.28.10power-omap1 Apr 23 16:47:13 timeless_mbp; pong Apr 23 16:48:40 ugh Apr 23 16:48:58 waiting on my new sofas to get here Apr 23 16:49:32 I'm thinking trying to do a Boxee remote for n900 would it be possible to make buttons on Qt ui send commands that urls like http://host:port/xbmcCmds/xbmcHttp?command=() Apr 23 16:50:23 andrewblack_: yes Apr 23 16:50:44 does the n900 do ir? Apr 23 16:50:54 that would be awesome Apr 23 16:50:54 yes Apr 23 16:51:09 make an mce remote emulator Apr 23 16:51:17 :) Apr 23 16:51:34 phone/eharmony Apr 23 16:51:35 * MohammadAG_ wonders why the bootmenu now has "boot off hard drive" for the N900 Apr 23 16:53:16 why shouldn't it? :) Apr 23 16:53:32 actually, it seems the N810 version got installed Apr 23 16:53:40 cause there's an external HDD option Apr 23 16:53:45 Jaffa: hi, are you around? Apr 23 16:53:56 why isn't my N900 booting up... Apr 23 16:54:56 guess I'm gonna need to reflash Apr 23 16:55:10 barisione: Yes, but about to run for a train Apr 23 16:55:40 Jaffa: ok, no problem then. I will ping you again on monday. you are the hermes developer, right? Apr 23 16:56:49 * RST38h yawns widely Apr 23 16:57:05 Jaffa: I wanted to ask you if there is any chance that you save the avatars retrieved from facebook in a file on-disk and not encoded in base64 inside the vcard. hermes makes the address book slower and some optimizations I want to implement won't benefit contacts using base64 encoded avatars Apr 23 16:57:18 but I will explain you the details another day and let you catch your train :) Apr 23 16:57:42 so... how do I gain access to the serial console? :) Apr 23 16:57:57 MohammadAG_: it's under the battery. Apr 23 16:58:04 MohammadAG_: I don't have which pins it is though Apr 23 16:58:09 wait, is /boot unmounted usually and mounted when installing a kernel package? Apr 23 16:58:21 SpeedEvil, I'm assuming I need a cable Apr 23 16:58:28 MohammadAG_: no. Apr 23 16:58:37 failed.. Apr 23 16:58:37 MohammadAG_: you need a nasty spring-loaded custom thing Apr 23 16:58:57 MohammadAG_: that supplies power to the phone, and has spring contacts that touch the serial port Apr 23 16:59:19 which means I need something which isn't in the box Apr 23 16:59:40 yes. serial is not a supported feature for users :) Apr 23 16:59:47 it's there to work with a nokia flashing jig Apr 23 17:00:01 so I'm assuming this is jtag-like? Apr 23 17:00:17 no - rs232 Apr 23 17:00:33 I'm unsure if jtag is on there - there have been conflicting reports Apr 23 17:00:53 SpeedEvil, why does it have to be nasty Apr 23 17:01:18 jtag is required - prettymuch - if your processor supports it - but not another easy method of in-system programming Apr 23 17:01:27 lcuk: as there isn't a db25 on the back Apr 23 17:01:36 zlib.h not found. Perhaps I should have listed build dependencies...? Apr 23 17:01:56 I have no idea how autobuilder works. Apr 23 17:02:14 you should have Apr 23 17:02:18 SpeedEvil, ah i thought you meant something else Apr 23 17:03:14 short version is, I can't do it without something extra Apr 23 17:03:21 which I don't recall making/buying Apr 23 17:03:24 hmm Apr 23 17:03:24 Daemon running. Samples: 118 Min: -16 Max: -7 Avg: -7.88983050847 Apr 23 17:03:25 Daemon NOT running. Samples: 146 Min: -21 Max: -7 Avg: -7.92465753425 Apr 23 17:03:29 Argh - stupid forums. Apr 23 17:03:32 i think those are within error margins Apr 23 17:03:34 yes Apr 23 17:03:47 SpeedEvil, request a ban, I'm on the verge of doing that on the forum I moderate Apr 23 17:04:01 MohammadAG_: It's the structure. Apr 23 17:04:28 MohammadAG_: For example - I just tried to google 'nokia n900 "serial port" battery test connector' Apr 23 17:04:40 and got lots of crap coming up from tmo Apr 23 17:04:44 which was n800 content Apr 23 17:04:52 SpeedEvil: there has to be jtag Apr 23 17:05:04 SpeedEvil: everybody uses it for testing Apr 23 17:05:07 which happened to have a n900 thread in the 'active topics' Apr 23 17:05:11 jacekowski: it may exist, but that doesn't mean it comes off the board. Apr 23 17:05:15 esp to an outside connector Apr 23 17:05:15 jacekowski: It's likely. There doesn't have to be. Apr 23 17:05:50 SpeedEvil: jtag is on there, but it probably won't let you use it without a magic nokia box. Apr 23 17:05:57 jacekowski: For example, if the CPU bootloader can boot from serial, and report on stuff - it's not so absolutely required. Apr 23 17:06:13 Torne: you mean on the test connectors under the battery? Apr 23 17:06:16 SpeedEvil: yes Apr 23 17:06:29 Torne: I assume you can't comment on the pinout? :) Apr 23 17:06:30 but there is lot of other stuff in there Apr 23 17:06:35 The device is now in R&D mode, doubt it will help though Apr 23 17:06:37 that has to be tested Apr 23 17:06:44 and jtag makes it easy Apr 23 17:06:47 MohammadAG_: the R&D flag is not related Apr 23 17:07:07 Torne, not to the serial console yes, to my N900 not booting up, maybe Apr 23 17:07:21 I think I f'd up rcS-late Apr 23 17:07:31 i've got scope Apr 23 17:07:43 so i can play around with these pins Apr 23 17:07:45 jacekowski: jtag is a very nice thing to have. It's not absolutely required though if your device has a CPU supporting serial bootloader. Apr 23 17:08:04 (having said that - there are a fair few gold pads - so who knows) Apr 23 17:08:16 err - apart from teh above Apr 23 17:08:37 anyway. the serial pads work if you enable R&D mode with flasher Apr 23 17:08:42 but it's difficult to connect anything to them ;) Apr 23 17:08:49 without weird nokia adapter box Apr 23 17:08:52 even if it is there, nothing says it isn't covered by anything up to and including a glue blob. or that some of the pins aren't half a mm or less from neighboring pins, etc.. Apr 23 17:09:02 * SpeedEvil passes Torne a soldering iron. Apr 23 17:09:08 the *other* debug/test facilities of the connector are *probably* disabled for mortals, but i don't know for sure Apr 23 17:09:11 it depends on how late in the manuf they use it (or if they use it at all) Apr 23 17:09:22 Torne: you can't disable jtag Apr 23 17:09:29 I don't see a compelling case for disabling stuff. Apr 23 17:09:34 jacekowski: yes you can Apr 23 17:09:34 jacekowski: sure you can Apr 23 17:09:41 on some devices Apr 23 17:09:47 (for nokia) Apr 23 17:09:49 It won't be *disabled*, anyway Apr 23 17:09:57 It just requires a special sekrit ccertificate Apr 23 17:09:59 on cpu in nokia jtag pins are not shared Apr 23 17:10:01 at least if the device was designed to have a user-accessible kernel and stuff Apr 23 17:10:04 So it doesn't matter how late in production you need it Apr 23 17:10:25 well, these are just theories Apr 23 17:10:25 I don't know for sure on N900, i note Apr 23 17:10:29 but *other* nokia devices work this way Apr 23 17:10:30 i'll play around with it tomorrow Apr 23 17:10:42 It's possible the n900 doesn't have the same security Apr 23 17:10:57 but it seems unlikely Apr 23 17:11:00 nokia are pretty consistent about it :) Apr 23 17:11:01 Torne, if a "sekrit" certificate is required it must be on the device Apr 23 17:11:06 lcuk: no, why would it be? Apr 23 17:11:10 lcuk: public/private key crypto Apr 23 17:11:15 the private key will be locked up in nokia somewhere. Apr 23 17:11:16 and accessible early in the boot sequence Apr 23 17:11:30 Torne: public/private for jtag? Apr 23 17:11:31 ok, so wheres the pubkey, you have all of / available to peek into Apr 23 17:11:34 SpeedEvil: Yes Apr 23 17:11:39 lcuk: It's not in the filesystem Apr 23 17:11:44 Torne: there is a seperate block on teh CPU I guess to do that? Apr 23 17:11:45 it will be in th especial nokia security crap Apr 23 17:11:49 which is probably tied to the baseband Apr 23 17:11:54 No, it's probably done on the baseband processor Apr 23 17:11:56 oh - right Apr 23 17:12:07 where are conversations stored? Apr 23 17:12:20 And you only get the through-loop to the cpu if you wiggle the right stuff Apr 23 17:12:25 yup Apr 23 17:12:36 MohammadAG_: in /home Apr 23 17:12:40 only the public interface of the security doohickey appears on te bus to start with Apr 23 17:12:51 you have to send it the right supplication before it will let you enumerate anything else Apr 23 17:12:56 I wish it was possible to open the modem Apr 23 17:13:00 but... Apr 23 17:13:03 * MohammadAG_ is thankful that PR1.2 hasn't been released Apr 23 17:13:08 SpeedEvil: why? Apr 23 17:13:11 jacekowski, contacts? Apr 23 17:13:17 SpeedEvil: why would you play with it Apr 23 17:13:26 jacekowski: For example to be able to tweak 2G-3G thresholds Apr 23 17:13:36 you can go to jail for that Apr 23 17:13:37 SpeedEvil: anyway, no, i can't comment on the pinout or anything because i don't know it Apr 23 17:13:47 SpeedEvil: i just know how nokia handset security in general works, in broad strokes :) Apr 23 17:14:23 jacekowski: For example - if my cell provider has set thresholds so that my phone flips 2g/3g dozens of times an hour - in my house - I can twiddle the thresholds a bit. Apr 23 17:14:23 sti-console, what the... Apr 23 17:14:28 nothing about that in the wiki Apr 23 17:14:43 jacekowski: thresholds? that sounds more like "I have bad reception so be more eager to go to 2g and less eager to promote back to 3" .. nothing the fcc cares about. Apr 23 17:14:47 jacekowski: Or so that I can pass the 3g side a list of towers in the area from the software side Apr 23 17:15:01 jacekowski: to reduce sync time Apr 23 17:15:21 apply to be a technical engineer perhaps? Apr 23 17:15:29 also, given the amount of radio hackery in the 802.11g world, i still haven't heard of one person even being warned, much less going to jail. Apr 23 17:15:31 jacekowski: there is lots of useful stuff to be done on that side of it. Apr 23 17:15:40 so um, you win the FUD flag for the day :) Apr 23 17:15:57 Disconnect: i heard Apr 23 17:16:15 i got fined Apr 23 17:16:19 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/26/wifi_hacker_caught_downloading_child/ Apr 23 17:16:41 but i was using 4W booster on wifi Apr 23 17:17:10 i don't know how they managed to find me Apr 23 17:17:21 it was in middle of nowhere Apr 23 17:17:39 and i was using it for over 2 years Apr 23 17:17:53 SpeedEvil: if you get some pogo pins and do a bit of soldering you can probably make a reasonable device to connect to the serial port and provide the phone with power Apr 23 17:17:53 Also - there is lots of bad stuff you can do - if you do have access to the modem. Apr 23 17:18:03 Torne: yeah - I know Apr 23 17:18:16 (pogo pins are easily available on ebay) Apr 23 17:18:18 jacekowski: ok, so your paranoia is excusable. but srsly. 2 years and a fine :) the jammers are flat out illegal and they are still being -advertised- in some restaurants/theaters in places like nyc.. Apr 23 17:18:19 but other than that or soldering right onto the pads (lol) you are probably out of luck ;) Apr 23 17:18:28 so I guess there's no way to recover from an rcS-late f up - other than a reflash Apr 23 17:18:55 MohammadAG_, not reasonably Apr 23 17:18:56 MohammadAG_: you can download a new kernel/initrd image using flasher Apr 23 17:19:00 and then mount the FS and fix it Apr 23 17:19:01 :) Apr 23 17:19:07 you don't have to actually reflash Apr 23 17:19:34 if you feed it a cramfs image as the initfs and specify root=/dev/ram0 it will boot to the ramdisk, and you can fix a broken rootfs Apr 23 17:19:35 Torne, does the kernel have to do with rcS-late? Apr 23 17:19:46 no, but you can change the boot params Apr 23 17:19:53 there are lots of possible ways to fix stuff, is all i'm saying Apr 23 17:19:57 they're not very convenient Apr 23 17:19:59 Torne: sure - but there are no rescue kits. Apr 23 17:20:00 but you *can* do it without reflashing :) Apr 23 17:20:04 -b, --boot[=ARG] Boot the kernel with optional cmdline Apr 23 17:20:04 Torne: at least easy ones Apr 23 17:20:07 SpeedEvil: make one then? Apr 23 17:20:12 :) Apr 23 17:20:13 Torne: plz do. Apr 23 17:20:17 lol Apr 23 17:20:40 I have the bootmenu installed... Apr 23 17:20:41 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/22/michigan_wifi_hackers_try/ Apr 23 17:20:44 SpeedEvil: i've only had the device for ~28 hours Apr 23 17:20:45 I wonder if I can chroot from mer Apr 23 17:20:57 SpeedEvil: you have to give me a while before you expect me to produce anything :) Apr 23 17:21:04 MohammadAG_: Sounds like a plan. Apr 23 17:21:05 ah crap, deleted the lib/firmware files Apr 23 17:21:07 Torne: :) Apr 23 17:21:42 random question, btw: is it reasonable to boot a regular linux distribution on the device? as in, a stock copy of debian or simliar Apr 23 17:21:48 i realise the baseband will not work :) Apr 23 17:22:00 is anything critical missing? Apr 23 17:22:00 Torne: also battery charging won't work Apr 23 17:22:02 Mer is essentailly Ubuntu Apr 23 17:22:06 essentially* Apr 23 17:22:06 Disconnect: and i suppose they will find you faster if you are doing something in gsm frequencies Apr 23 17:22:07 which is moderately important Apr 23 17:22:12 charging is important? :) Apr 23 17:22:19 SpeedEvil, wouldn't loading bme in it work? Apr 23 17:22:20 hii Apr 23 17:22:24 i can live without chraging Apr 23 17:22:29 er, charging Apr 23 17:22:31 your n900 cant Apr 23 17:22:33 somone have free accont at runescpe??? Apr 23 17:22:43 lcuk: can boot fremantle again to charge, i mean Apr 23 17:22:44 wrong channel Apr 23 17:22:57 #stats zezima Apr 23 17:22:59 Torne, and if you break Fremantle? Apr 23 17:23:04 MohammadAG_: hm? Apr 23 17:23:07 MohammadAG_: then you reflash it Apr 23 17:23:16 Torne, and if the battery's empty? :) Apr 23 17:23:24 jacekowski: the 'worst case' is an open GSM modem - that is widely distributed. Consider a million 12-year-olds running a 'free' data transfer app that lets them do free data transfer or video calls - using a channel but not through the telco. Wipes out dozens of calls for kilometers - potentially emergency calls too Apr 23 17:23:27 then i borrow a battery Apr 23 17:23:30 * Torne shrugs Apr 23 17:23:32 * lcuk recharges with coffee and food Apr 23 17:23:35 and bacon Apr 23 17:23:37 I am perfectly competent at recovering from cockups ;) Apr 23 17:23:40 and if there isn't any battery to borrow? Apr 23 17:23:49 i'm just wondering if there's some reason why it's a futile thing to try Apr 23 17:23:55 its not futile Apr 23 17:24:04 many have booted stock linux on maemo devices Apr 23 17:24:23 Torne: no real reason. Apr 23 17:24:33 Torne: I look forward to your reports on win95. :) Apr 23 17:24:33 except getting rid of closed stuff Apr 23 17:24:41 most ooh and ahh for a few days, bask as one magazine or other posts an article and then flash back to maemo Apr 23 17:24:43 lcuk: only because many people do a thing its not a non-futile thing :P Apr 23 17:25:08 lcuk: well, my phone contains no data and has a simcard in it i don't send or receive calls/texts/data with. ;) Apr 23 17:25:09 Also there is the meego images - which may be a sane base to start from Apr 23 17:25:21 yup SpeedEvil Apr 23 17:25:23 lcuk: i have it as a gadget to mess around with Apr 23 17:25:30 usability as a phone/pda is not relevant Apr 23 17:25:31 shouldn't ext3 *NOT* get corrupt? Apr 23 17:25:32 so mess Apr 23 17:25:40 grab meego base and play Apr 23 17:25:48 I hate the N900's battery cover Apr 23 17:25:49 meego doesn't look interesting :) Apr 23 17:26:04 MohammadAG_: it cannot corrupt unless theres a hardware failure Apr 23 17:26:16 MohammadAG_: but certain hardware failures arent that uncommon Apr 23 17:26:18 * frals steals lcuks bacon Apr 23 17:26:22 haha Apr 23 17:26:23 Torne, its uncharted territory Apr 23 17:26:34 lcuk: hrm? Apr 23 17:26:36 PC's mounting it as read-only Apr 23 17:26:42 and its planned to incorporate dual booting :) Apr 23 17:26:58 huh, weird, I can change stuff as root Apr 23 17:26:59 MohammadAG_: so fsck -f it Apr 23 17:27:03 yes, i was discussing how to dual boot effectively with Stskeeps :) Apr 23 17:27:04 at least according to the posting yesterday Apr 23 17:27:08 MohammadAG_: then its not mounted ro Apr 23 17:27:23 lcuk: i need a lot more than dual booting, i have several other OSes to port to n900 ;) Apr 23 17:27:26 when i get the time :) Apr 23 17:27:57 get it right for one and the rest can follow Apr 23 17:28:29 * Torne wonders how the little shiny colour change led is hooked up Apr 23 17:28:47 * lcuk goes anyway Apr 23 17:29:06 i have many many beers waiting for me in the fridge and a long weekend to drink them in Apr 23 17:30:31 Torne: seen the leaked schematic? Apr 23 17:30:49 N900evil: no, i'm happy with published stuff kthx :) Apr 23 17:31:08 the kernel source is answering my question as we speak ;) Apr 23 17:31:12 k Apr 23 17:31:39 it is, alas, an LP5523 hooked up over I2C Apr 23 17:31:54 not simple enough to be an easy "did my OS boot" light ;) Apr 23 17:34:15 lcuk: share the beer! Apr 23 17:35:38 IR led isk very easy Apr 23 17:35:50 * MohammadAG_ asks for a kind sole to illegally lend him a copy of lib/firmware Apr 23 17:35:52 directly hooked to pwm pin Apr 23 17:36:07 sure thing frals ive already arranged for a bottle for you remember :p Apr 23 17:36:19 webcam will easily see the IR Apr 23 17:36:20 lcuk: :D Apr 23 17:36:25 N900evil: interesting, that's possible Apr 23 17:36:57 fine, no kind souls in here :P Apr 23 17:37:12 * MohammadAG_ heads to Nokia's RDA and ssh's into the N900 there Apr 23 17:41:34 N900evil: yeah, the ir transmitter might make a good test, thanks fr the idea Apr 23 17:41:54 N900evil: still has quite a lot of setup though :( Apr 23 17:42:30 Torne: you mean for uboot or something before linux? Apr 23 17:42:37 N900evil: hm? Apr 23 17:42:55 no.. mostly i mean for pycorn, my OS :) Apr 23 17:43:02 ah Apr 23 17:43:27 but that'll be a while, since i don't really have much of a driver framework done ;) Apr 23 17:43:32 ooh - that reminds me. Apr 23 17:43:48 * gevaerts thinks that Torne should come with a warning sign saying "Beware of slightly insane person" :) Apr 23 17:43:49 * N900evil checks on popcorn maker on ebay. Apr 23 17:44:12 re default calendar alarm, http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=7159650 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46932&highlight=default+calendar+alarm etc, just screwed right? just hooked up to MfE and now I have a daily schedule that interrupts me in the middle of each halfhour with its stupid 15m alarm. Apr 23 17:44:14 * andrewblack_ is so lazy when it come to having to learn programming Apr 23 17:44:52 gevaerts: but in the course of pursuing my insanity i occasionally produce things which ar euseful to others Apr 23 17:45:02 Torne: oh, I'm not denying that! Apr 23 17:45:10 new straight jacket designs? Apr 23 17:45:21 lcuk: rockbox code, mostly ;) Apr 23 17:45:41 almost the same :p Apr 23 17:46:40 Hey! Apr 23 17:46:46 LF videos should be up Apr 23 17:47:43 I am torn, I can make a boxee remote in no time that would run in web browser, but part of me wants to do it in qt so it looks better being its own app. Then another part of me doens't want to learn to do it in qt lol. Am I only person who is to lazy to learn no progrmaing launguages? Apr 23 17:49:10 andrewblack_: i made a boxee remote for my n800 with rotating screen Apr 23 17:49:24 it uses the dpad and is a ~50 line python program in pygtk Apr 23 17:49:49 Stskeeps: want to share it? Apr 23 17:49:59 andrewblack_: sure, sec Apr 23 17:50:38 Stskeeps, does mer boot without the lib/firmware files? Apr 23 17:50:46 Stskeeps: need onscreen dpad now, you never made one for n900? Apr 23 17:51:15 yay I found them on my cloud Apr 23 17:51:26 andrewblack_: no, but cursor buttons might do the trick Apr 23 17:51:31 MohammadAG_: doubt it Apr 23 17:51:46 Stskeeps: k Apr 23 17:54:28 oh crap Apr 23 17:54:39 the bootmenu defined the mmc as ext2 not 3 Apr 23 17:54:43 andrewblack_: ok, my n800 has to charge first Apr 23 17:54:54 oh dear Apr 23 17:55:00 why is rick astley on polish television Apr 23 17:55:13 * Stskeeps wonders why someone is rickrolling polish televison Apr 23 17:55:14 :P Apr 23 17:55:16 Stskeeps: lol yeah I don't keep my n810 changed all the time anymore either Apr 23 17:55:29 andrewblack_: saw my photo of meego codedrop on n810? Apr 23 17:55:40 Stskeeps: nope Apr 23 17:55:47 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/meegoonn810.jpg Apr 23 17:55:58 fascinating UI Apr 23 17:55:59 :P Apr 23 17:56:10 hmm Apr 23 17:56:16 That must be real. It's too easy to fake :) Apr 23 17:56:26 updating an application from ham, does the pre/postrm get run? Apr 23 17:56:55 Stskeeps: wow want some themes for that UI? Really it is cool Apr 23 17:57:08 frals: i think only postinst Apr 23 17:57:09 andrewblack_: decorating the windows would be a start Apr 23 17:57:24 and preinst Apr 23 17:57:42 man, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624464 was received well Apr 23 17:57:59 which package does contain "normal" ps command? Apr 23 17:58:06 busybox? Apr 23 17:58:07 :P Apr 23 17:58:09 psmisc Apr 23 17:58:11 is there any way to mount the N900's rootfs partition? Apr 23 17:58:14 ? Apr 23 17:58:15 I know the risks Apr 23 17:58:24 or pstools Apr 23 17:58:26 MohammadAG_: it is mounted on / Apr 23 17:58:40 jacekowski, err, let me rephrase Apr 23 17:58:43 mount it on my PC Apr 23 17:58:56 nfs? Apr 23 17:58:58 Stskeeps, surely because they don't get what it actually means. Apr 23 17:59:08 without being able to boot up Apr 23 17:59:21 GAN900: got to say A before you say B.. no fun stuff without a proper hardware adaptation Apr 23 17:59:28 andrewblack_, black on white or for the dangerous crew white on black! Apr 23 18:00:10 lcuk: can't be go old school and get some green on well another green Apr 23 18:00:29 now now Apr 23 18:00:41 so when will the retro theme be out? :D Apr 23 18:02:02 ah, you're right Apr 23 18:02:35 why didn't we publish meego codedrop with fullscreen green text on black background.. Apr 23 18:03:12 Stskeeps: puzzles me too Apr 23 18:04:50 ok, so if nothing is heard from the autobuilder in a while, does that mean build succeded? Apr 23 18:06:47 damn, the bootmenu is trying to use mmcblk0p2 Apr 23 18:07:02 which is, I'm assuming, the internal card on the N8x0 Apr 23 18:07:07 woot! byuild succeeded!! Apr 23 18:07:10 build too Apr 23 18:07:15 Is there a reason why we do not have ionice? Apr 23 18:07:28 Ah screw this, I'll reflash Apr 23 18:14:16 andrewblack_: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/test.py , http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/curlit , put in /root/ , chmod +x them, and install wget .. replace IP in the script Apr 23 18:14:23 it's a nasty nasty hack but feel free to improve it Apr 23 18:14:32 you need to have the webserver running on boxee Apr 23 18:15:05 Stskeeps: thanks Apr 23 18:18:43 Arkenoi: "we" ? Apr 23 18:19:02 why went my RAM down to 10M free after a few minutes? Apr 23 18:19:05 i just booted... Apr 23 18:19:19 user__: because thats how the linux kernel works Apr 23 18:19:43 ok, but before, i could use web Apr 23 18:20:08 now it says "Task cancelled due to low memory" or smth (other language) Apr 23 18:21:00 user__: how much swap is used / free ? Apr 23 18:21:21 user__, you installed something Apr 23 18:21:25 and now after booting its running Apr 23 18:21:31 and eating everything Apr 23 18:21:33 6M used Apr 23 18:21:35 valdyn: it is not in the maemo distribution, so is there a reason for it? Apr 23 18:21:56 and i haven't installed anything since a few days ago Apr 23 18:21:59 Arkenoi: the maemo distro doesnt ship many cli tools at all Apr 23 18:23:03 i could try reboot, but i really have to access internet atm... Apr 23 18:23:17 Arkenoi: no one packaged it, thats all I think Apr 23 18:24:04 user__: maybe that error wasnt even about ram Apr 23 18:24:08 user__, run top Apr 23 18:24:11 and see whats doing it Apr 23 18:24:23 indexer messing and wanking around after boot Apr 23 18:24:39 user__: you can use shift-M in top to sort by process size iirc Apr 23 18:24:56 user__: but I think you should check your disk space too anyway Apr 23 18:25:08 interesting that conky and "free" gives different info Apr 23 18:25:23 lcuk, sure Apr 23 18:25:24 valdyn, given io to be most likely bottleneck on maemo it is really strange Apr 23 18:25:44 Arkenoi: why not compile and package it ? Apr 23 18:26:02 Arkenoi: its neat, but nokia doesnt support power users really Apr 23 18:26:24 Arkenoi: thats up to volunteers packaging... Apr 23 18:26:30 browser eats 24M Apr 23 18:26:37 user__: thats not much Apr 23 18:26:39 that's the one eating most of it Apr 23 18:26:53 so there's smth wrong somewhere Apr 23 18:27:02 user__: ram is not supposed to be free, thats not your primary problem Apr 23 18:27:08 especially as the swap is almost used at all Apr 23 18:27:13 ok Apr 23 18:27:20 user__: check disk space.. Apr 23 18:27:36 i did Apr 23 18:28:02 same as last time i maded a "check for not filling root", and then i didn't have any problems Apr 23 18:28:16 if you want to know it anyway, shoot Apr 23 18:28:42 ok whats the busiest couple of processes Apr 23 18:28:59 i dont know about any process that would mlock Apr 23 18:29:20 i would probably wait and try again to run that program that didnt work ( webbrowser i guess ) Apr 23 18:29:43 xorg, hildon-desktop, browser - sorted by cpu Apr 23 18:30:23 deffo odd - does the browser come up then die with mem error or immediately Apr 23 18:31:17 typically the n900 will break down and crawl insanely slow before it anything runs oom anyway Apr 23 18:31:26 and nont of them eat cpu/mem extremly Apr 23 18:31:26 none* Apr 23 18:31:47 valdyn: ack Apr 23 18:31:51 user__: do you still get the error when you try again? Apr 23 18:31:54 DocScrutinizer: why ack? Apr 23 18:31:56 guess I'll have to actually flash rootfs Apr 23 18:31:56 yes Apr 23 18:31:59 or well Apr 23 18:32:04 the browser is there Apr 23 18:32:07 I wanna know where I f'd up though... Apr 23 18:32:18 but i have a notification that doesn't go away Apr 23 18:32:21 valdyn: +1 for oom vs drinding halt Apr 23 18:32:31 grinding even Apr 23 18:32:33 about "task temp cancelled due to low mem" Apr 23 18:32:39 user__, killall hildon-home, it will reset widgets though Apr 23 18:32:41 and i'm unable to goto any sites Apr 23 18:32:44 DocScrutinizer: as long as i can kill something myself i prefer crawling Apr 23 18:32:52 hi anyone know how to change the SMS message centre number on the N900 i 've googled and can't find it on my menus anywhere Apr 23 18:33:02 Oh, Operations temporarily disabled due to low memory Apr 23 18:33:06 user__, just reboot Apr 23 18:33:30 k Apr 23 18:33:36 oh typicall.. just as i give up.. i found the setting ! no worries Apr 23 18:33:59 [dymaxion_]: I was just going to type a instruction for you :P Apr 23 18:36:09 Free Heroes 2 is now in extras-devel. under education, LOL. Will upload a version with the proper listing. info: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624831 Apr 23 18:42:40 * GeneralAntilles puts head through wall at bug #9407. Apr 23 18:42:41 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9407 Browser: Do not show fullscreen button when scrolling with the keyboard Apr 23 18:42:42 Spec spec spec Apr 23 18:42:52 It like Nokia's sanity-killing tool. Apr 23 18:44:04 Hi Apr 23 18:45:32 the problem with the web browser is the web SITES Apr 23 18:45:41 pupnik, not in this case. Apr 23 18:45:48 ok Apr 23 18:45:49 The problem here is, once again, stupid Nokia UI designers. Apr 23 18:46:01 It's always stupid Nokia UI designers Apr 23 18:46:11 * GeneralAntilles imagines Maemo without Nokia's stupid UI designers. Apr 23 18:46:35 i see full screen button when scrolling with kbd atm Apr 23 18:46:40 soo... what's the license on a game demo? Apr 23 18:47:17 fsck, backup's restore set my kbd back to German layout :-S Apr 23 18:47:20 can you include data files from a game demo in a mamoe package? Apr 23 18:48:09 maemo package. Apr 23 18:48:50 mece see how duke nukem handles it Apr 23 18:49:03 how does it handle it? Apr 23 18:49:26 GeneralAntilles: imagine you and me were allowed to proofread & edit the UI specs :-D Apr 23 18:50:57 here's the license included in the package: Apr 23 18:50:57 http://paste2.org/p/789701 Apr 23 18:51:38 mece, you did optify the package right? Apr 23 18:52:23 MohammadAG, idunno what is right. the package is in opt, a tiny script and the icon and the .desktop file is in rootfs. Apr 23 18:52:44 MohammadAG, heh I misread it. Yes. It's optified. Apr 23 18:52:53 * DocScrutinizer is doing a jig dance for the joy of being allowed to use decent up/down arrow keys Apr 23 18:52:57 i really think 2) lets you redistribute it mece Apr 23 18:53:32 pupnik, so it seems. Apr 23 18:53:43 I could make a data package. fheroes2-demodata or something Apr 23 18:53:44 optional Apr 23 18:54:57 GRRR Apr 23 18:55:09 Is there any way to change the bugtracker link? Apr 23 18:55:12 mece ther data package would let repo maintainers place the redistibutable bin wherever needed. do that Apr 23 18:56:12 pupnik, I have no idea what you just said, apart from the "do that" part :D Apr 23 18:58:19 can you make stuff install to MyDocs? I guess that would be a bad idea actually... Apr 23 18:58:19 mece: seperate data package has advantages Apr 23 18:58:25 pupnik, yep. Apr 23 18:58:31 mece, you can, it is Apr 23 18:59:02 pupnik, people who has the actual game don't want to download useless demo data. Apr 23 18:59:17 also true Apr 23 18:59:18 MyDocs can be exported over USB, and if users actually deleted /usr since it had too much "useless" stuff would delete game data Apr 23 18:59:24 they would* Apr 23 18:59:37 ((thefinalcutter83:)) According to CNN.com: "Iranian missile may be able to hit U.S. by 2015." Apr 23 18:59:50 whoa. pretty slow missile Apr 23 18:59:53 ((SpaceInvader455:)) That's one slow f*ckin missile. Apr 23 18:59:57 :) Apr 23 19:00:04 haha simple minds think alike Apr 23 19:00:08 nice Apr 23 19:00:12 mece, you'll have a slight issue though, you can't make it a dependency Apr 23 19:00:30 no. but I can make fheroes2 a dependency on fheroes2-demodata Apr 23 19:00:55 true, but do you actually want the data package visible in the repos? Apr 23 19:01:01 why not? Apr 23 19:01:08 idk Apr 23 19:01:19 I think it would be a good solution to this Apr 23 19:02:03 it's only 40 megabytes, so I guess it could go in /opt/ Apr 23 19:02:28 I think /opt should've been on a separate 8GB flash Apr 23 19:05:18 DocScrutinizer, all hell. Apr 23 19:05:38 hehehe Apr 23 19:06:28 One good thing about Nokia dropping support is that we don't have to play games working around their insanity. Apr 23 19:07:10 dropping support for? Apr 23 19:07:14 err what? Apr 23 19:07:22 dropping support? Apr 23 19:08:49 lol Apr 23 19:08:51 Anything Apr 23 19:09:01 Diable, Fremantle, N900 Apr 23 19:09:16 means the community is free to continue support how they please Apr 23 19:09:38 *** [chanserv] is kicking GAN900 for evil trolling Apr 23 19:09:46 Muahaha Apr 23 19:10:17 It also tends to stimulate activity. Apr 23 19:10:28 not the nokia 3330! Apr 23 19:20:59 is it recommended to reboot the n900 after an application installation/update? Apr 23 19:21:20 no reason to do it Apr 23 19:21:25 k cool Apr 23 19:21:53 andre__, just reflashed, and I can confirm that Nokia Messaging is actually visible after reflashing Apr 23 19:21:58 so it's an operator issue Apr 23 19:22:00 where can i find which parts of fremantle are closed source? Apr 23 19:22:03 weird. aha. Apr 23 19:22:18 liori, wiki Apr 23 19:22:26 liori, http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ Apr 23 19:22:43 MohammadAG_, feel free to add a comment to the bug ticket Apr 23 19:22:50 andre__: thanks Apr 23 19:22:52 liori: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html for guide for it Apr 23 19:23:21 Stskeeps, pah! your tables are totally intuitive! :-P Apr 23 19:23:35 ~xclosed Apr 23 19:23:38 ~closed Apr 23 19:23:39 somebody said closed was http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Apr 23 19:23:43 that Apr 23 19:23:45 oh Apr 23 19:23:47 that too Apr 23 19:24:08 * SpeedEvil syhould read to the end of the screen before pressing the buttons. Apr 23 19:24:50 ok... i guess i got what i asked, not what i meant :-) Apr 23 19:25:30 so what can we do you for, young gentleman? :-P Apr 23 19:26:17 is it possible to freely interoperate with things like contacts, gps and so on? i don't care if the software managing those is closed, as long as i can get and push user data Apr 23 19:27:13 there's a lot of apis Apr 23 19:28:20 did anyone try to change io scheduler on builtin memory card? how does it feel? Apr 23 19:28:51 Hi there, does maemo cache the SIM details anywhere specific? Apr 23 19:29:53 I'm getting "SIM card registration failed" ... confirmed not to be an upstream cause or the SIM ; I've got an RMA envelope coming to me but I thought it might be interesting at least to investigate. Apr 23 19:30:55 Stskeeps: are there any notable exceptions? Apr 23 19:31:21 andre__, Venomrush seems to have marked it as a duplicate although the bugs aren't very similar Apr 23 19:31:41 feel free to reopen then Apr 23 19:31:45 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9613 Apr 23 19:31:45 Bug 9613: Nokia Messaging Service no longer showing up after reinstall Apr 23 19:31:52 liori: see what apis exist in docs Apr 23 19:31:54 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8085 Apr 23 19:31:55 Bug 8085: Nokia Messaging unavailable as an option if SIM card from unsupported region? Apr 23 19:32:08 MohammadAG_, please reopen, and elaborate :) Apr 23 19:32:08 andre__, it's invalid anyways Apr 23 19:32:29 INVALID or WORKSFORME Apr 23 19:33:37 hehe. pick your poison. :-P Apr 23 19:33:56 MohammadAG_, I'm getting into weekend mode, don't expect me to make decisions :-P Apr 23 19:34:05 lol Apr 23 19:34:20 something that can kill performance-sapping web designers Apr 23 19:35:14 pupnik: Flash. Apr 23 19:35:38 http://www.uk.pg.com/products/products/flash.html Apr 23 19:35:51 * dr_barnowl smirks Apr 23 19:36:05 uploading fheroes2-demodata package to builder :) Apr 23 19:36:27 one last question: is smooth video playing possible outside the closed video player? Apr 23 19:36:42 congrats and thanks mece Apr 23 19:36:50 pupnik, we'll see ... Apr 23 19:37:10 liori: yes Apr 23 19:37:12 liori, check for yourself by e.g. using kmplayer from extras repo? or gstreamer? :) Apr 23 19:37:16 20 megs upload this. I hope it works on the first one Apr 23 19:37:16 liori: mplayer is quite smooth for me Apr 23 19:37:30 andre__: i don't have the device now :-) Apr 23 19:37:39 (for content where it can adequately decode the video) Apr 23 19:37:39 ah, okay :) Apr 23 19:38:10 Hi everyone, I just bought my N900 today. I love the phone so far but I have found one annoying bug, whenever I have the USB cable in I get an annoying noise similar to coil whine, its a high pitch constant noise that is wailing Apr 23 19:38:36 i've got freerunner now and i am disappointed at the quality of software Apr 23 19:38:46 Anyone know if this is a known issue or if I should just return it to the store I bought it at and get a new one? Apr 23 19:38:52 liori: ah, n900 is heaps better Apr 23 19:39:00 lejonet: is this a usb adaptor to a pin charger? Apr 23 19:39:05 or straight usb Apr 23 19:39:25 Stskeeps: It is the miniUSB -> USB Apr 23 19:39:30 lejonet, I've seen reports of the old-charger-to-new-connector whining Apr 23 19:39:52 lejonet, But mine is silent on the USB charger Apr 23 19:39:56 dr_barnowl: Well this is USB-> USB Apr 23 19:39:59 Stskeeps: i see that now Apr 23 19:40:02 lejonet, are you over 20? Apr 23 19:40:03 thanks for answers Apr 23 19:40:24 lcuk: why is that important lol? But no I am not Apr 23 19:40:32 lejonet, I've used the mains charger and the USB charger and not noticed noise on either - it goes on my nightstand on the mains charger and I'd go nuts if it whined Apr 23 19:40:35 The noise is really annoying :P Apr 23 19:40:58 lejonet, its of all importance : do you hear high pitched noises from other equipment? Apr 23 19:41:01 It is sortof the noise made by an audible dog whistle Apr 23 19:41:05 young people can hear high frequencies Apr 23 19:41:06 lejonet, He's probably referring to high pitched noises that old'uns can't hear because they lose the acuity at that range Apr 23 19:41:10 (the age question is because your hearing drops off rapidly with age) Apr 23 19:41:14 doesn't mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 mount the MMC? Apr 23 19:41:15 lcuk: Yes, I have very good hearing according to test :P Apr 23 19:41:21 s/test/tests/ Apr 23 19:41:21 lejonet meant: lcuk: Yes, I have very good hearing according to tests :P Apr 23 19:41:34 so does this also happen with the Nokia-default USB to PC connection cable? Apr 23 19:41:37 lejonet, But it's not a hard fact - and I can hear those noises, and I'm 35, but I've always had freakishly good high-range hearing Apr 23 19:41:38 Haha correctional bot? Awesome :P Apr 23 19:41:47 ok, do other devices bug you like this one, or is it just another bit of buzz Apr 23 19:42:07 hehey! http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/fheroes2-demodata/1.0-maemo-1/ Apr 23 19:42:08 my kids tell me the tv makes same noise Apr 23 19:42:11 * lcuk cant hear it Apr 23 19:42:28 * dr_barnowl can hear that, but hasn't heard high pitched noises from N900 Apr 23 19:42:33 dr_barnowl: Well we did a test at my work place with those annoying high freq apps you can get with Nexus one and I heard the noise long before the others did :P Apr 23 19:42:36 lejonet: is there a same noise when usb-to-computer? Apr 23 19:42:41 luck: and your kids are damn right I tell ya! :-P Apr 23 19:42:43 lcuk, lol same here Apr 23 19:42:44 <_llll_> high pitch nosies go even as "old" as 25 i believe Apr 23 19:42:55 MohammadAG_, you are a kid! Apr 23 19:42:57 lcuk: The noise goes away if I unplug the N900 from the computer Apr 23 19:43:02 Hah, I'm 35 and I can still hear them Apr 23 19:43:06 lcuk, same as your kids :P Apr 23 19:43:08 Stskeeps: It is the USB -> computer one Apr 23 19:43:14 parents can't hear it :) Apr 23 19:43:27 ok lejonet i know it goes away - is the noise coming from 900 or laptop? Apr 23 19:43:29 lejonet: hmm, vendor cable? Apr 23 19:43:36 Stskeeps: yes Apr 23 19:43:41 lcuk: The N900 Apr 23 19:43:50 lejonet: does usb charger do the same? Apr 23 19:44:00 Stskeeps: Havent tried, i'll give it a try Apr 23 19:44:17 * andre__ buys some kids that use a high frequency language to each other so they can talk bad stuff without parents noticing it Apr 23 19:44:34 Heh, teach them morse Apr 23 19:44:43 And get them a high-freq morse buzzer each Apr 23 19:45:05 * dr_barnowl thinks he just invented a new way of cheating in exams Apr 23 19:45:05 isnt that essentially what sms is :p Apr 23 19:45:15 silent messages flying through the air Apr 23 19:45:16 :D Apr 23 19:45:31 does this actually work: gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor Apr 23 19:45:32 Stskeeps: The USB charger does not make that sound Apr 23 19:45:37 only th kds cn undrsnt thm Apr 23 19:45:40 to get icons visible after install Apr 23 19:45:45 Yeah, but you can't get busted for just having an penlight that happens to have a high pitched buzzer in it Apr 23 19:45:46 dr_barnowl: invented? pfff, my sister used this techniques for some time already :P Apr 23 19:46:04 lejonet: check another usb cable too Apr 23 19:46:08 Stskeeps: i'll try with some of the other USB ports on another computer, I have had problems with those USB ports on the computer before Apr 23 19:46:14 So ; anyone else had the "SIM card registration failed" thing, now that it's lively Apr 23 19:46:34 Stskeeps: I'll see if I have any other miniUSB cables, I should have a pair Apr 23 19:46:35 omg it's already in extras-devel. That went fast. Apr 23 19:46:37 dr_barnowl, nope. what is it about? Apr 23 19:46:43 It's not a banned IMEI or bad SIM Apr 23 19:47:00 andre__, My phone, aint a phone ; it's just a small computer Apr 23 19:47:17 andre__, It won't log into the cellular network Apr 23 19:47:20 sounds like you bought an "N900" then. ;-) Apr 23 19:47:25 The SIM works in my OTHER phone Apr 23 19:47:43 take it out and reseat it perhaps Apr 23 19:47:46 dr_barnowl, get a syslog. see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers#Need_a_syslog Apr 23 19:47:53 make sure the little clip cage hasnt come unclippied Apr 23 19:48:05 ...and file a bug report in bugs.maemo.org :) Apr 23 19:48:11 And it worked in the N900 before - I just swapped it out to go on a stag weekend and when I came back it just does "SIM card registration failed" Apr 23 19:48:13 fheroes2-demodata downloading... Apr 23 19:48:36 lcuk, The little cage is fine... it knows the difference between no sim and having a sim Apr 23 19:48:51 lcuk, Don't get the "no sim" icon with the SIM in, but do with it out Apr 23 19:49:03 ok Apr 23 19:49:10 Stskeeps: I have no other miniUSB cables :( Seems the ones I thought arent compatible, just a mm or so too fat :P Apr 23 19:49:14 what carrier? Apr 23 19:49:28 The SIM works in my old phone... and another SIM from my friends phone (same network) doesn't work either. Apr 23 19:49:35 vodafone Apr 23 19:49:57 +country? Apr 23 19:49:59 maybe they blacklisted your IMEI? Apr 23 19:50:15 Stskeeps, lcuk: Must've been the USB port phew... I added the vendor cable into my laptops USB and no sound Apr 23 19:50:19 ds3, I was onto vodafone this morning and recited my IMEI twice so I don't think it's that Apr 23 19:50:40 ds3, They are sending me a "repair pack" postage envelope... 5-7 business days :-( Apr 23 19:50:48 :) lejonet or your ears have finally collapsed Apr 23 19:50:53 maybe your sim is worn out from too many changes Apr 23 19:51:01 lcuk: Haha yeah or that :/ :P Apr 23 19:52:03 ds3, Nope, still works in my old phone Apr 23 19:52:23 ds3, It is a rather old model SIM, but it worked in the phone before.. Apr 23 19:52:29 Well thanks for your help guys ^^ Apr 23 19:52:53 This is the first smart phone I have ever owned, going to be alot to get used to lol :P Apr 23 19:52:57 lejonet, what you say? cant hear you sorry. Apr 23 19:53:25 Ok wow. everything works! Apr 23 19:53:29 lcuk: Hahaha :P *turns your hearing aids louder* :P Apr 23 19:54:16 * lcuk wonders what to work on in liqbase this weekend Apr 23 19:54:35 lcuk: A hospital-training program. Apr 23 19:54:43 Now I just have to find openttd again and this device already owns all other phones regardless :P Apr 23 19:54:44 lcuk: liqOR. Apr 23 19:55:02 i was thinking something to show distance from nearest volcano Apr 23 19:55:54 but it will need ccookes' confrabulator Apr 23 19:56:12 ? Apr 23 19:56:20 active volcanos? Apr 23 19:56:36 yeah isnt it wise to stay away from them! Apr 23 19:56:50 A bit of spherical geometry, a small db, and you're done. Apr 23 19:57:10 * lcuk nods - was a joke Apr 23 19:57:37 No! Apr 23 19:57:45 It's a vital need of the whole community! Apr 23 19:57:53 I know I need a volcano warning app. Apr 23 19:58:15 Can you also include plagues of locusts, and double-glazing-salesmen? Apr 23 19:58:26 hehhehe Apr 23 19:58:30 Mmm locusts Apr 23 19:58:56 SpeedEvil, could the locust program work for frogs? Apr 23 19:59:05 volcanowarner... gief that Apr 23 19:59:06 or would that need a whole new app Apr 23 20:00:02 but isn't the real question - what is the best notification for the volcanowarner? Apr 23 20:00:10 should it just vibrate or.... Apr 23 20:00:42 lol thats earthquakewarner Apr 23 20:00:56 builtin application Apr 23 20:01:22 lcuk, Hmmph, have a syslog Apr 23 20:02:03 lcuk, but not very revealing... lots of SIM_IND messages, which have "cause" codes... things with a cause worry me... but it's followed by a lot of stuff that says "sim ready" Apr 23 20:02:09 dr_barnowl, i didnt ask for it Apr 23 20:02:56 lcuk, Just being chatty :-) Apr 23 20:07:21 anyone tried fheroes2 yet? I'm curious to know if it works for others. Apr 23 20:18:06 Worst part of watching Talk's decline is all of the incorrect info going uncorrected. . . . Apr 23 20:18:40 GAN900: you can't make *everyone* right. It is the tragedy of our times. Apr 23 20:18:51 ccooke, indeed. Apr 23 20:19:16 (Evening, all) Apr 23 20:20:20 evening ccooke Apr 23 20:20:54 * ccooke is about to vanish again, bah. Spent half an hour trying to get to the internet, now my train's almost in to Manchester :-) Apr 23 20:21:43 Time flies, when you're... attempting to make a flaky internet connection damn well work *this* time. Apr 23 20:22:19 anyone played beneath a steel sky on their n900? i can't seem to work out the keybindings... Apr 23 20:33:27 ccooke, Where did you start? Apr 23 20:33:42 ccooke, If it was Leeds, that line is dreadful for any kind of connectivity Apr 23 20:38:30 * MohammadAG hates these silent moments Apr 23 20:40:22 htc desire has a good spec! kind of shadows the n900. Apr 23 20:40:52 the mrs is getting it, she would reap the benefits of linux. Apr 23 20:41:13 it's same as nexus one, except htc-android :P Apr 23 20:41:56 anything apart from 32gb that i can claw back with? Apr 23 20:43:37 C-S-B-N900: the screen is crappy. Apr 23 20:43:50 really? Apr 23 20:43:51 C-S-B-N900: beautiful colors but ugly fonts Apr 23 20:44:00 C-S-B-N900, just plug n900 into tv? Apr 23 20:44:01 and crap in sunshine as well Apr 23 20:44:04 n900fly Apr 23 20:44:19 C-S-B-N900: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars Apr 23 20:44:34 then get a projector and show n900 ui running on the side of a building Apr 23 20:44:44 C-S-B-N900: though if I was to get an android phone, it'd probably the desire atm. Apr 23 20:44:53 Download the SDK and put it on a 1680x1050 monitor Apr 23 20:45:23 skype works incredibly well over tmob 3G Apr 23 20:45:28 hw wise, it out perform n900 though? Apr 23 20:45:43 C-S-B-N900: what good is that when the OS and app base is crap ;) Apr 23 20:45:56 thanks guys! Apr 23 20:46:44 just trying to make myself feel better for chosing the bulky linux phone. Apr 23 20:46:52 geek over chic. Apr 23 20:47:00 C-S-B-N900: did you read the article. gives some good insights Apr 23 20:50:52 Shapeshifter: yeah, interesting read. Apr 23 20:51:12 hm Apr 23 20:51:30 trying to find where all the skype options are Apr 23 20:51:47 Mace_N900: what options? Apr 23 20:51:47 Contacts > Title Bar > Groups > Skype > Title Bar Apr 23 20:51:54 Mace_N900: what options? Apr 23 20:52:12 C-S-B-N900, those options ^ Apr 23 20:52:33 * Arkenoi wonders if *anything* can be done to avoid jerky video playback. caching input stream? mplayer does it, does not really fix the problem. renicing background tasks? helps somehow but not really again. changing io scheduler? Apr 23 20:52:53 naw.. just wanted to chwck my credit Apr 23 20:53:02 Mace_N900, call some wrong number Apr 23 20:53:15 to make sure it wasnt using it when i called Apr 23 20:53:19 like android Apr 23 20:53:31 it shows credit in a call Apr 23 20:53:43 yeah.. but outside the call Apr 23 20:53:48 actually Apr 23 20:53:51 I think there's a way Apr 23 20:53:59 wonder if there is a widget for that Apr 23 20:54:01 there is Apr 23 20:54:02 Mace_N900: it doesn't 'call a number' like android crap, at least :P Apr 23 20:54:07 anyone think, tap-tap-hold then tilt the phone to zoom is a good interface?v Apr 23 20:54:10 Mace_N900, Skype settings in conversations Apr 23 20:54:16 sts: yeah Apr 23 20:54:27 Conversations > Title Bar > Settings > Skype account > scroll down Apr 23 20:54:30 that was horrible Apr 23 20:54:35 i saw it Apr 23 20:54:39 thanks tho Apr 23 20:54:58 stskeeps.. tmob forced them to do that Apr 23 20:55:09 Just noticed an option to disable land line calls Apr 23 20:55:16 might be useful, some day Apr 23 20:55:20 why disable it? Apr 23 20:55:31 when I run out of credit I'll disable it Apr 23 20:55:41 I've had 10 bucks in my Skype for 3 months Apr 23 20:55:48 I just call using my phone Apr 23 20:55:49 me too Apr 23 20:56:17 cheaper to call neighboring countries using mobile too Apr 23 20:56:32 they charge $3 month Apr 23 20:56:39 ? Apr 23 20:56:44 Charge are PAYG Apr 23 20:56:45 for unlimited Apr 23 20:56:49 Skype is* Apr 23 20:56:55 oh Apr 23 20:57:08 hmm Apr 23 20:57:18 better than 30 a month that real phone companies charge Apr 23 20:57:28 I wonder if unlimited supports Israel Apr 23 20:57:36 i have actual skype phones Apr 23 20:57:44 with the base Apr 23 20:57:48 Firefox's Awesome bar is awesome Apr 23 20:57:48 theyre great Apr 23 20:57:56 I have my N900 for that :) Apr 23 20:58:04 skype sucks Apr 23 20:58:07 sip is better Apr 23 20:58:21 heh.. says you Apr 23 20:58:22 $5.95 Apr 23 20:58:27 per month Apr 23 20:58:27 i love skype Apr 23 20:58:28 omg Apr 23 20:58:39 saved me a lot so far Apr 23 20:58:44 anyone think, tap-tap-hold then tilt the phone to zoom is a good interface? Apr 23 20:58:48 ooops Apr 23 20:58:52 Mace_N900, why not use SIP? Apr 23 20:58:54 wrong channel? :P Apr 23 20:59:07 because i already have skype phones Apr 23 20:59:10 Arkenoi: IO scheduler blows. Apr 23 20:59:12 so why bother? Apr 23 20:59:25 amd it works great Apr 23 20:59:26 wall[e], too cumbersome imo Apr 23 20:59:39 Arkenoi: do scp or app-install, or anything disk heavy. Everything skips/pauses/judders Apr 23 20:59:42 ok Apr 23 21:00:22 sorry i dup the line Apr 23 21:00:49 SpeedEvil, the problem is you do not really have to scp or apt-get to see jerky video. as-daemon or modest will do that for you as well. Apr 23 21:00:58 not familair with irc over vnc that much ) Apr 23 21:02:06 i managed to get the profile (general, silent) using the libdbus-lowlevel API. is dbus-glib supposed to support such operations (calling a method, getting a string from the answer) or is it a more high-level thing for gobjects only? Apr 23 21:03:01 so if i want to watch a movie i have to enable offline mode. otherwise *something* surely will happen affecting playback performance. Apr 23 21:03:19 Arkenoi: works for me Apr 23 21:03:37 Merging should be automatic on the N900 :s Apr 23 21:03:39 sECuRE, what exactly? Apr 23 21:03:52 Arkenoi: i watched three dr. who episodes (each about 45 min) without being in offline mode and without noticing any slowdowns/hangs/… Apr 23 21:04:26 sECuRE, maybe you do not have push email and contact/calendar sync enabled? Apr 23 21:04:33 correct Apr 23 21:04:40 ha Apr 23 21:04:56 I noticed that mafw-*gst* grows enormously in size when watching stuff Apr 23 21:06:48 well it looks like we can see what the chinese are choosing for a tablet OS http://besttabletreview.com/page/2/ Apr 23 21:07:17 ShadowJK: check pss, not rss Apr 23 21:07:18 or uss Apr 23 21:07:59 SpeedEvil, well swapfile use went from 300 to 150megs when it crashed ;p Apr 23 21:16:44 this thing is still going Apr 23 21:17:18 i wonder how long the battery lasts if you dont use it... my n810 used to go for almost a week Apr 23 21:17:33 i can get like 3 days tops out of my n900 Apr 23 21:17:43 wifi off, bluetooth off, and idle Apr 23 21:17:47 MohammadAG: my Muslim buddy thought your app was the bees knees. Apr 23 21:18:08 anyone got the SDK working on kubuntu 10.04 RC? Apr 23 21:18:30 * Arkenoi can get 3 days from my n900 with wifi and bt on Apr 23 21:18:47 Mace_N900: 2-3 days with wifi and 3g and bt on and using wifi ~ 2-3 hours per day Apr 23 21:20:06 wow Apr 23 21:20:15 it is a beast Apr 23 21:20:22 i love this thing Apr 23 21:20:30 it's perfect Apr 23 21:20:30 nearly Apr 23 21:20:31 :D Apr 23 21:20:44 mine arrives tomorrow \o/ Apr 23 21:21:08 if the desktop had a portrait mode it would be perfect Apr 23 21:21:17 * Mace_N900 hides Apr 23 21:21:41 yes most apps dont have a portrait mode :/ Apr 23 21:21:47 that would indeed be nice Apr 23 21:21:51 i dont mind the apps Apr 23 21:21:53 if apps in general had portrait mode it'd be nice Apr 23 21:21:57 but the desktop Apr 23 21:21:58 its far from perfect ut the best thing out there in my mind Apr 23 21:22:04 but at least the sonser works better then the one in my E52 >_> Apr 23 21:22:09 i hate a landscape only desktop Apr 23 21:22:38 i'm used to g1, sendo x, etc. portrait with optional landscape. way easier to use, esp one-handed or when you can't set it down Apr 23 21:22:47 when glancing at the phone it is a pain to rotate your arm around to read it for whatever reason Apr 23 21:22:48 * MohammadAG smiles Apr 23 21:22:56 zappa, did he vote for it? :) Apr 23 21:23:07 yes support for both modes should be required (excet for games) Apr 23 21:23:16 zappa: play with a droid (or milestone). its getting really close to amazingly awesome, esp when its jailbroken Apr 23 21:23:25 ewww Apr 23 21:23:32 jailbroken Apr 23 21:23:34 i hate android Apr 23 21:23:44 MohammadAG: he uses a balckberry, but I will register his vote. Apr 23 21:23:47 yes android is strange Apr 23 21:24:01 zappa, wait! Gonna upload a small fix for the bugtacker link :) Apr 23 21:24:17 * Disconnect has issues with android, but many of those were solved when we rooted it.. Apr 23 21:24:35 Disconnect: I might try to get andorid on my iphone and see whats up with android these ays. I am very ingnorant of whats going on in Android. Apr 23 21:24:36 rooted? Apr 23 21:24:49 never tried android Apr 23 21:24:55 been on the n900 for about 3 days now, and what i miss is apps (but at least 2 of those android apps should be core features, regardless of platform) Apr 23 21:25:00 i hate android Apr 23 21:25:02 when I was in Germany I saw a G1, someone locked it Apr 23 21:25:07 oops Apr 23 21:25:09 i have a g1 with cyanogen on it Apr 23 21:25:21 Mace_N900, it had a blocked SIM :/ Apr 23 21:25:21 cyanogen made it ok Apr 23 21:25:31 never seen an android after that Apr 23 21:25:38 MohammadAG: most devices ship with strong app sandboxes. rooting also provides root access (via popup verifier usually - "such-and-such app wants root access to run: /bin/sh" cuz apps never say what specific command :/ ..) Apr 23 21:25:39 that was in June last year Apr 23 21:25:53 MohammadAG: My buddies one thing was that the arabic was in "old arabic" and he had trouble reading the writing. He grew up in morroco and learned english, french and modern arabic i guess. Apr 23 21:26:12 Mace_N900: yah i've got his 2.x beta on my g1 right now, gonna give it to the wife as soon as i find her a replacement sd card Apr 23 21:26:12 zappa, that's how the Quran is :) Apr 23 21:26:12 i hate that android doesnt have a gnu base Apr 23 21:26:28 is there no #maemo-dev? :D Apr 23 21:26:38 the linux part is just a hcl Apr 23 21:26:43 Mace_N900: yah but realistically, thats what caused htc, samsung, etc to pick it up Apr 23 21:26:55 Is android good? Apr 23 21:27:00 better than Symbian? Apr 23 21:27:04 no Apr 23 21:27:05 maybe Apr 23 21:27:10 but symbian is really great Apr 23 21:27:11 imho Apr 23 21:27:16 multitasking ftw Apr 23 21:27:20 qt4 support ftw Apr 23 21:27:20 MohammadAG: its getting there. i'd definitely say its better than s80 and getting really close to s60 (but then again, i'm assuming s60 got better since i last used it :) ..) Apr 23 21:27:20 MohammadAG: aye. but maybe when i use the englsih version the names of the suras(sp?) are translated? Apr 23 21:27:20 :D Apr 23 21:27:29 qt4 "support" Apr 23 21:27:40 dockside: qt4 works great on my e52 Apr 23 21:27:42 zappa, afaik that's not implemented in the PC app Apr 23 21:27:42 summel: android manages mt without having to make the user manage it. 98% of the time thats a huge win. Apr 23 21:27:53 tried developing qt4 stuff for s60? Apr 23 21:27:53 transparently kill/restore apps.. Apr 23 21:27:59 the only thing that annoys me is that most devs wrote the example qt4 apps for touchscreen devices :( Apr 23 21:28:02 whole diffrent story Apr 23 21:28:04 Disconnect, when did you last use S60? Apr 23 21:28:08 dockside: no im not a developer yet :( Apr 23 21:28:10 MohammadAG: sendo x :) Apr 23 21:28:16 i want to develop for my n900 :) Apr 23 21:28:16 huh? lol Apr 23 21:28:19 that was a pretty awesome phone actually Apr 23 21:28:33 dont bother with the with s60 development Apr 23 21:28:34 MohammadAG: wouldn't know anything about that. But he was a blackberry users that was really impressed. Apr 23 21:28:53 MohammadAG: it took s60 and made it modern, back in 2003 Apr 23 21:28:59 oh Apr 23 21:29:07 http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Sendo_X.php Apr 23 21:29:16 Disconnect, S60 had its time, particularly in 2006-2008 Apr 23 21:29:19 N95 times Apr 23 21:29:27 dockside: do you develop for maemo? Apr 23 21:29:29 yah i never got to mess with it then Apr 23 21:29:37 then it started getting pointless Apr 23 21:29:46 the N95 had the best cam on the market Apr 23 21:29:52 when it was released Apr 23 21:29:55 MohammadAG: imho the X6 looks really nice Apr 23 21:29:57 ditto sendo :) Apr 23 21:29:58 no but from what i see from the maemo sdk Apr 23 21:30:03 3 years later, and they're still using the same 5MP cam Apr 23 21:30:08 it seems a lot better Apr 23 21:30:09 haven't used it so far but the device looks nice ^^ Apr 23 21:30:16 MohammadAG: its fun cause I was raised Catholic ( now agnostic) and love discussing/learning things with/from him. And its cool cause he can say check out this sura...etc. Apr 23 21:30:26 summel, that's the problem, the N97 looked nice, both have crappy RAM and CPUs Apr 23 21:30:27 dockside: i can't get the SDK installed :( Apr 23 21:30:35 they took the amiga style of offloading to task-specific chips Apr 23 21:30:51 MohammadAG: is the N97 the phone that has the size of a camera and slides up and down? Apr 23 21:30:59 or was that the 95? :D Apr 23 21:31:03 so it was fast, it was skilled and it was a really awesome device :) with a flash beforephones had one Apr 23 21:31:08 zappa, well, I like discussing stuff with other religions, some people take offense so I don't do it often Apr 23 21:31:45 summel, the N97 has a hinge, it looks like this sideways _/ Apr 23 21:32:09 in any case, sounds like about the same era - sendo backported a bunch of stuff for the x, so it was similar to the later phones Apr 23 21:32:11 MohammadAG: ewww :D Apr 23 21:32:19 early prototype http://dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/nokia-n97-hands-002.jpg Apr 23 21:32:20 i dont like hinges on phones Apr 23 21:32:26 summel, actually, it looked wonderful Apr 23 21:32:32 and i never liked sliding phones either until the n900 :) Apr 23 21:32:36 felt more natural in the hand than the N900 Apr 23 21:32:42 ah Apr 23 21:32:48 kinda like the E90 Apr 23 21:32:55 but cheaper Apr 23 21:32:57 oh Apr 23 21:33:08 ah Apr 23 21:33:11 now i remember Apr 23 21:33:11 The N900 feels kind of cramped (some people's joints get tired after typing a lot) Apr 23 21:33:13 I don't Apr 23 21:33:20 i kinda like the g1 slider, strangely enough. took getting used to but it feels way more natural than the straight rails. and its got durability - abused it for a year and a half with no issues. now i have towork to not drop the n900 when slidign it open one-handed Apr 23 21:33:24 there is also an E97 mini? Apr 23 21:33:27 I went from the N95 to the N97 Apr 23 21:33:30 N97 mini, yes Apr 23 21:33:34 eww Apr 23 21:33:36 not a fan of the g1 chin tho :) although hw make/break buttons were nice Apr 23 21:33:38 * GAN900 misses the N800's fingerkeyboard. Apr 23 21:33:41 it looks and feels so cheap Apr 23 21:33:41 was a huge disappointment Apr 23 21:33:43 when open Apr 23 21:33:53 summel, the N97? on the contrary Apr 23 21:33:54 GAN900: n900 has it. the full-screen OSK? Apr 23 21:33:58 like its really thin plastic and could break anytime Apr 23 21:34:01 it has THE best hinge I've ever seen Apr 23 21:34:03 just gotta enable it in settings Apr 23 21:34:04 the split-qwerty phones from Nokia have maybe better typing feel, but N900 rocks for typing Apr 23 21:34:13 Disconnect, it's full of both un- and intentional regressions. Apr 23 21:34:21 Disconnect, nowhere near as nice. Apr 23 21:34:28 ShadowJK, I like the N900, never did a speed test but i get high speeds Apr 23 21:34:35 ah ok Apr 23 21:34:36 (can't beat GAN900 though) Apr 23 21:34:45 zoom zoom Apr 23 21:34:47 but i love the n900 :) have used the one from my freind for a few days now and tomorrow i get my own :) Apr 23 21:35:12 I almost hit N800 speeds during Ari's talk, but I paid for it after. Apr 23 21:35:15 lol. sendo review: "We're talking lots of memory here. Lots and lots. There's a total of 64mb Flash memory, some of which is used for the Operating System." ... whoa, a whole SIXTY FOUR MEGS!! :) Apr 23 21:35:45 GAN900, any speed tests for the N900? :) Apr 23 21:36:25 nite all, sweet dreams Apr 23 21:37:52 HAH, feeling tired after typing N900-qwerty? I *love* my querty ith the real cursor keys, now that I got rid of the awful ugly German wertzu Apr 23 21:38:38 is maemo.org/packages down? Apr 23 21:38:46 DocScrutinizer: yes the german keyboard is strange :/ Apr 23 21:39:07 ÜÜÜÜBER-strange Apr 23 21:39:19 i keep hitting 'm' instead of space :( Apr 23 21:39:19 xD Apr 23 21:39:27 hmmm that has not happened to me yet Apr 23 21:39:35 and i hate the old-style complete where backspace sometimes means "erase the last letter" and sometimes means "erase the completion" Apr 23 21:39:39 but doom and supertux etc do not really work Apr 23 21:39:46 because of the missung up & down keys Apr 23 21:39:47 Disconnect, happened to me at first (when I switched from the N97 to the N900) Apr 23 21:39:48 :/ Apr 23 21:40:08 N97 > N73 (got depressed, jk :P) > N86 > N900 Apr 23 21:40:37 kick completion, it's useless, as is auto-capitals Apr 23 21:40:40 combined, i do a lot of "gom over to them barmand check form meloncholy" :) Apr 23 21:40:59 DocScrutinizer: at least make it optional :) Apr 23 21:41:09 optional is mostly lways better then removing ^^ Apr 23 21:41:18 i like completion when its well-behaved (multiple wordlist and select with right-arrow or click, don't affect INPUT) but this just isn't. Apr 23 21:41:21 and its got some bizarre ideas Apr 23 21:41:26 thank god it *is* optional Apr 23 21:41:39 :D Apr 23 21:41:51 MohammadAG, any of the web tests should be workable, but I haven't done any, no. Apr 23 21:42:04 * MohammadAG cracks his fingers Apr 23 21:42:18 eeewww Apr 23 21:43:07 Disconnect, there's a bug about the stupid completion backspace behavior. Apr 23 21:43:27 Disconnect, as usual, Nokia UI people are thick as bricks. Apr 23 21:43:45 lol Apr 23 21:43:50 yes the n900 UI could look soooo much better Apr 23 21:44:01 just hire nuno for a few days <3 Apr 23 21:44:21 GAN900: there's something they have in common with android. you can't submit any patches upstream that include ui changes because "the ui artists won't approve it because it doesn't match their requirements. which they mostly communicate in random hallway discussions, or not at all." Apr 23 21:45:10 * DocScrutinizer starts uttering high screaming vocals Apr 23 21:45:24 ok guy at the next table (yay for working-from-home at a bar :) ..) is waving a nexus one around. its -nice-. Apr 23 21:46:03 * DocScrutinizer points at OM epic fail when first thing pourred in concrete was GTA03's case Apr 23 21:46:08 or at least, its way thinner than i thuought Apr 23 21:46:14 no keyboard = dealbreaker Apr 23 21:46:36 ~attack designers Apr 23 21:46:37 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing designers Apr 23 21:46:40 greenfly: if they'd sent me one i'd have stuck with android. but they sent me a droid and i have less than zero desire to go to vzw so i sold it and put the $$ towards n900 Apr 23 21:46:42 eeewww Apr 23 21:46:43 what Apr 23 21:47:21 now they are called 'artists' even - OMFG Apr 23 21:47:53 DocScrutinizer, no F words on #maemo please :P Apr 23 21:48:49 * DocScrutinizer removes keycap between 'D' and 'G' Apr 23 21:49:14 OMFG Apr 23 21:49:18 58 WPM Apr 23 21:49:24 56* Apr 23 21:49:46 words per minute? Apr 23 21:49:49 yeah Apr 23 21:50:14 greenfly: i've heard a lot of kb-only people say the OSK on the n1 is fast enough/accurate enough to replace a hw keyboard. and its not insane like maemo's osk so it even works ;) Apr 23 21:50:30 Disconnect: touchscreen keyboards suck for interactive shell sessions Apr 23 21:50:31 GAN900, http://www.typingtest.com/ Test instructions, 1 minute Apr 23 21:50:32 :P Apr 23 21:50:41 since half your screen or more is taken up w/ a keyboard Apr 23 21:50:44 the biggest problem with osk isn't soeed Apr 23 21:50:52 speed* Apr 23 21:50:56 and I actually use the terminal on the n900 quite a bit Apr 23 21:51:01 MohammadAG: on n900? Apr 23 21:51:05 greenfly: that's not even the worst problem; touchscreen keyboards rely on autocorrection mostly, which doesn't work for character based input Apr 23 21:51:12 N900evil, yes Apr 23 21:51:13 greenfly: depends on the keyboard and screen res Apr 23 21:51:16 it's the space that could be used for displaying whatever it's your replying to Apr 23 21:51:17 MohammadAG: I can only hit 28. Apr 23 21:51:30 I'm badass Apr 23 21:51:31 :P Apr 23 21:51:36 Disconnect: for anything that'd fit in your pocket, it means a big sacrifice whenever you type Apr 23 21:51:49 and I use the terminal for irc and mail among other things Apr 23 21:51:56 MohammadAG: 2 thumbs? Apr 23 21:51:56 so a touchscreen keyboard is a dealbreaker for me Apr 23 21:51:57 N900evil, well I'm on my PC now, but I did the test on the N900 Apr 23 21:52:00 yep Apr 23 21:52:08 youtube Apr 23 21:52:24 ? Apr 23 21:52:34 i did tons of ssh (and local) hackering on the g1 with both the osk and the hw kb. the res is so bad to begin with, losing some isn't the end of the world. going to the old telnet line-mode crap of n900 -is-, however, the end of the world :) Apr 23 21:53:09 telnet line-mode? Apr 23 21:53:14 microlith: the n900 osk Apr 23 21:53:19 oh that Apr 23 21:53:31 * MohammadAG waits for G-A-N900's test results Apr 23 21:53:33 and lol - http://twitter.com/googleandblog/status/12723661747 Apr 23 21:53:38 -s so as not to ping him Apr 23 21:55:29 ok n900 is -seriously- io-bound. installing maps, copying mp3s, etc all drags the ui to a screeching halt Apr 23 21:56:25 how do i convince the gallery app Apr 23 21:56:38 or button to go to the same path as the camera saves files? :( Apr 23 21:57:33 ugh. it just ejected the sd card from the pc without prmpting. thats gonna leave a mark. Apr 23 21:58:08 Disconnect, N1 is a piece if shit Apr 23 21:58:37 hmm, 19WPM out of the cold. And my spacekey occasionally makes noises :-/ Apr 23 21:59:11 Disconnect, OLED is way oversaturated, pixels are jagged, Snapdragon is slow in GPU and has no DSP, no hardware keyboard, etc. Apr 23 21:59:14 capacitive Apr 23 21:59:19 GAN900: haven't played with one. initial impressions of n900 are well below g1 though, and even the droid can stomp the g1 so.. n900 has potential but its so far from there... Apr 23 21:59:23 Limited extra hardware features Apr 23 21:59:28 oh, and Android. Apr 23 21:59:38 Android sucks. Apr 23 21:59:38 eeeek, c-ts Apr 23 21:59:43 End of story Apr 23 22:00:07 As the embarrased owner of a free Nexus One, I can't stand anything about it. ;) Apr 23 22:00:39 GAN900: go to exchange.andblogs.net and swap it for a droid or cash.. Apr 23 22:00:54 Cash cash cash Apr 23 22:01:05 May make its way to one needy friend or another Apr 23 22:01:22 But, man, I dunno what people see in this platform. Apr 23 22:01:27 GAN900, so did you do the test? :) Apr 23 22:01:35 is hermes broke? Apr 23 22:01:42 (that's a challenge btw) Apr 23 22:01:59 MohammadAG, not yet. Apr 23 22:02:00 GAN900: apps. continuity. performance. Apr 23 22:02:04 portrait mode ;) Apr 23 22:02:08 * GAN900 is distracted by realword crap Apr 23 22:02:12 What performance? Apr 23 22:02:17 * MohammadAG itching to find out GAN900's WPM score Apr 23 22:02:18 It's freaking Java Apr 23 22:02:20 is* Apr 23 22:02:22 GAN900: so that's what you get from doing heretics Apr 23 22:02:32 * greenfly got 32wpm adjusted Apr 23 22:03:10 bah, on N900? Apr 23 22:03:17 GAN900: ooooh, neat. so you're reasoning from assumptions instead of reality. cool. you're right, "end of story". too many assumptions. Apr 23 22:03:37 DocScrutinizer, you do the test, then say bah :P Apr 23 22:03:43 Disconnect: yeah Apr 23 22:03:46 Android is off-topic anyway Apr 23 22:03:54 er, DocScrutinizer: yeah Apr 23 22:04:17 MohammadAG: [2010-04-23 23:58:36] hmm, 19WPM out of the cold. And my spacekey occasionally makes noises :-/ Apr 23 22:04:18 * MohammadAG wonders if DocScrutinizer fired up the N900's browser Apr 23 22:04:48 am I fast, or is the test failing? Apr 23 22:05:01 DocScrutinizer, put some pressure on the keyboard and move it upwards Apr 23 22:05:08 my shift key used to make noise Apr 23 22:05:09 s Apr 23 22:05:10 48 wpm adjusted Apr 23 22:05:21 That felt slow. Apr 23 22:05:33 56, I hold the fastest score! :P Apr 23 22:06:09 ooh friggin freaky shit, had to reinstall apps - now xchat is nagging me with idiotic banners all the time :-((( Apr 23 22:06:28 DocScrutinizer, rm /usr/lib/xchat/somenotifyplugin.so Apr 23 22:06:34 sec I'll get the filename Apr 23 22:06:44 Oh wait Apr 23 22:06:47 I reflashed :s Apr 23 22:07:19 anyone has a lin to the mafw dbus commands? I'm having a hard time finding it atm. Lost my bookmarks. Apr 23 22:07:39 Round two is 61 wpm Apr 23 22:07:48 Now my thumbs hurt. . . . Apr 23 22:07:48 HEEEEELP!!! I have to click away every single one of those Apr 23 22:08:04 DocScrutinizer: every one of Apr 23 22:08:07 GAH 58 Apr 23 22:08:10 DocScrutinizer: what? Apr 23 22:08:11 you beat me Apr 23 22:08:12 DocScrutinizer: you mean on pm? Apr 23 22:08:20 rm the .so file! Apr 23 22:08:28 xchat Apr 23 22:08:32 MohammadAG, my biggest issue is accuracy is all over the place. Apr 23 22:08:36 DocScrutinizer: thats the problem Apr 23 22:08:44 DocScrutinizer: with desktop apps Apr 23 22:08:50 DocScrutinizer: on mobiles ;) Apr 23 22:09:00 uhuhh! Apr 23 22:09:17 that they occasionally go apeshit? Apr 23 22:09:58 (otoh I was in #android when the first irc client was released to the market. it wasn't clear about description and resulted in several hundred users signing in going "a/s/l?" or worse. pretty funny actually.) Apr 23 22:10:27 the really funny part is it technically wasn't against the channel rules. it is now tho. Apr 23 22:11:06 >18,y,scotland Apr 23 22:11:15 how can I vote down an app? Apr 23 22:12:11 DocScrutinizer, XChat? Apr 23 22:12:21 DocScrutinizer, thumbs down Apr 23 22:12:25 DocScrutinizer, is the notification plugin bothering you? Apr 23 22:12:47 DocScrutinizer, ... rm the .so file! Apr 23 22:13:01 need I say it again? :) Apr 23 22:13:02 LOOOOOL -best thing is: it (xchat) seems to time out on irc server when you do not click away those idiotic notifier banners immediately Apr 23 22:13:32 DocScrutinizer, works fine here. :P Apr 23 22:13:38 DocScrutinizer, they crash my N900 Apr 23 22:14:02 GAN900: that's impossible to work fine -it's brainfucked by design Apr 23 22:14:20 no f words! :P Apr 23 22:14:27 DocScrutinizer, what's the issue? Apr 23 22:15:11 there's a banner popping up for every highlight in xchat - that's the major part of the issue Apr 23 22:15:21 MohammadAG: er, how do i talk about how fine a featureset the flashy fone has without using f words? ;) Apr 23 22:15:40 DocScrutinizer: so if i was to ask how you liked xchat, would you say it was Apr 23 22:15:45 DocScrutinizer: terrible? Apr 23 22:15:48 god fucking damn it, not that f word Apr 23 22:15:51 :P Apr 23 22:15:54 DocScrutinizer: or is it worth it anyway ;) Apr 23 22:16:17 Disconnect, XChat is epic, the plugin however... Apr 23 22:16:32 Disconnect: it was worth it until I was forced to update today Apr 23 22:16:37 heh Apr 23 22:16:45 forced is an f word, be careful ;) Apr 23 22:17:16 * MohammadAG does a /cs op, and notices the +o on the other server Apr 23 22:17:40 same to you, chaserv op ban kick all have no key-between-D-and-G Apr 23 22:17:58 whats wrong with e? Apr 23 22:18:39 DocScrutinizer, err, huh? lol Apr 23 22:18:55  KnightStalker (bot22@ Apr 23 22:19:00 I think it's safe to assume that's a bot Apr 23 22:19:36 MohammadAG: any issues? Apr 23 22:20:18 no, but the green-brown text is getting a lot Apr 23 22:20:43 green brown text? Apr 23 22:20:50 Join - part Apr 23 22:21:00 are you talking bot join/quit msgs? Apr 23 22:21:05 ooh Apr 23 22:21:10  knightstalker_ (knightstal@server-001.fayntic.com) has joined #maemo Apr 23 22:21:11 î€ knightstalker_ has quit (Excess Flood) Apr 23 22:21:12 these Apr 23 22:21:35 none here, I disabled thjem Apr 23 22:21:44 shall I ban him? Apr 23 22:21:58 oh Apr 23 22:22:01 your call Apr 23 22:22:22 *I* don't care. I never even realized Apr 23 22:22:24 <_llll_> it's quite usual to set temp bans for people with connection issues Apr 23 22:22:32 yep Apr 23 22:22:45 beer ftw Apr 23 22:22:59 <_llll_> or sometimes if you force a part it works to stop them rejoining Apr 23 22:23:44 lcuk: http://twitpic.com/1huwyq Apr 23 22:24:04 hahaha Disconnect Apr 23 22:24:21 ill use my other account when im back downstairs only came back for a smoke Apr 23 22:24:36 literally just posted it Apr 23 22:26:08 <_llll_> (that ban wont work) Apr 23 22:26:21 lol Apr 23 22:26:23 yah Apr 23 22:28:57 oO Apr 23 22:30:39 lol Apr 23 22:30:53 dont give up! Apr 23 22:31:08 DocScrutinizer: you should try Apr 23 22:31:12 DocScrutinizer: your ban Apr 23 22:31:15 <_llll_> needs to be e.g., +b knightstalker*!*@* or Apr 23 22:31:15 DocScrutinizer: again.... Apr 23 22:31:55 <_llll_> that one was fine too Apr 23 22:34:20 ugh. nokia multimedia transfer is claiming its gonna spend 2 hours per 2 minute onion (or howitsmade) video before syncing it. podcast fail Apr 23 22:36:41 is there a up-to-date vmware/virtual box image with maemo5 sdk? the installer always fails :( Apr 23 22:37:14 summel, how does it fail? Apr 23 22:37:47 MohammadAG: http://summel.de/m5.log Apr 23 22:38:16 summel, use the scripts Apr 23 22:38:24 :O but i like qt4 guis Apr 23 22:38:25 :D Apr 23 22:38:40 how do the scripts work? run script a then script b? Apr 23 22:38:50 summel, basically yes Apr 23 22:38:59 ok i will try that then Apr 23 22:39:12 do i have to run the scripts as the user i want to install the sdk for? Apr 23 22:39:15 then get a token and add it it, then apt-get update && apt-get install nokia-binaries Apr 23 22:39:15 hey all Apr 23 22:39:26 summel, there's a wiki entry Apr 23 22:39:29 hey PhonicUK Apr 23 22:39:39 hows it going? Apr 23 22:39:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#VDSO_support Apr 23 22:39:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation * Apr 23 22:39:55 thx :) Apr 23 22:40:14 PhonicUK, nm, just browsing the repos Apr 23 22:40:23 righto Apr 23 22:40:28 * PhonicUK hunts for a freenode admin Apr 23 22:41:29 PhonicUK: ? Apr 23 22:41:37 I was supposed to get my hostname cloak Apr 23 22:41:38 and they're generally available on #freenode with no waiting Apr 23 22:41:40 aaah Apr 23 22:41:41 for donating to Freenode Apr 23 22:42:01 * Disconnect used to get a free hostname cloak by using ipv6 with 100-char hostnames Apr 23 22:42:11 i worked out that i donate approx 0.5% of my income each year :) Apr 23 22:42:24 to charities or NPOs Apr 23 22:42:35 clearly you need a better job. or a cheaper irc network ;) Apr 23 22:42:49 oh. you need a better religion ;) Apr 23 22:43:00 I'm an atheist :P Apr 23 22:43:08 and i work full time for NSN as a software engineer ^_^ Apr 23 22:44:17 National Software Nerds? :o Apr 23 22:44:25 Nokia Siemens Networks Apr 23 22:44:28 :D Apr 23 22:44:48 i really like nokia but siemens is just fail :o Apr 23 22:44:52 o/ Apr 23 22:44:58 o/ Apr 23 22:45:05 yah lol Apr 23 22:45:08 i need sleep! Apr 23 22:45:16 we get discount for siemens stuff but not nokia stuff :\ Apr 23 22:45:17 !give sleep Apr 23 22:45:17 which sucks Apr 23 22:45:23 :D Apr 23 22:45:59 summel: doest work ;) Apr 23 22:46:10 server.channels("#maemo").getUserByHandle("#d14").sleep(8*60*60,false); Apr 23 22:46:33 \s\#d14\d14 Apr 23 22:47:01 Disconnect: (100char) LOL Apr 23 22:48:11 * PhonicUK downloads Visual Studio 2010 and Office 2010 Apr 23 22:48:12 PhonicUK: and some mcd for lunch? :)) Apr 23 22:48:16 DocScrutinizer: it was things like "youd.be.cooler.if.you.had.mange.sigkill.net" and ipv4 resolved to various random ips (localhost, goatse.cx, etc) Apr 23 22:48:18 mcd? Apr 23 22:48:24 macdonald ;) Apr 23 22:48:25 PhonicUK: /stats p Apr 23 22:48:31 i wish :P Apr 23 22:48:33 * Disconnect should have ended them with "burmashave" but i only did tha tonce Apr 23 22:48:34 :)) Apr 23 22:48:40 DocScrutinizer, yah i kno :P Apr 23 22:53:22 mh. this RSS reader that shipped with the n900 is utter crap, I just noticed. Never looked at it before. not finger friendly, looks awful.... Apr 23 22:53:23 * DocScrutinizer is going to disable that annoying join/parts again. Holler if some bot or UA is spamming the chan Apr 23 22:54:10 Shapeshifter: the one thing i -really- miss from android is newsrob (google reader client, with offline caching. but most of the time i used it with a nice connection) and the ability to switch/manage windows in portrait mode Apr 23 22:55:07 Anyone tried using Mono on their N900? Apr 23 22:55:57 MohammadAG: 2nd script fails at installing sudo and then later a few other packages because sudo is not configured :o Apr 23 22:56:12 :/ Apr 23 22:56:14 so it fails at the same part the gui installer fails :( Apr 23 22:56:20 try clearing out the targets Apr 23 22:56:28 is it an x64 machine? Apr 23 22:56:32 how do i do that? Apr 23 22:56:36 no i686 Apr 23 22:56:43 atom Apr 23 22:56:56 PhonicUK: ewwww mono Apr 23 22:56:59 :P Apr 23 22:57:09 use silverlight >_> Apr 23 22:57:19 I've got a load of .NET code and I don't wanna port it to C++ Apr 23 22:57:33 eeh Silverlight is a .Net based web app framework Apr 23 22:57:34 port it to python :) Apr 23 22:57:37 thats not gna help :P Apr 23 22:57:40 i know it was a joke :P Apr 23 22:57:42 :P Apr 23 22:57:55 I want to run my IRC dameon on my device :) Apr 23 22:57:59 tis super awesome Apr 23 22:58:03 PhonicUK: use quassel Apr 23 22:58:09 quassel? Apr 23 22:58:11 afaik there is a maemo5 client Apr 23 22:58:16 quassel irc client/core Apr 23 22:58:22 www.quassel-irc.org Apr 23 22:58:30 read more carefully Apr 23 22:58:32 IRC Daemon Apr 23 22:58:35 i use xchat on my device :P Apr 23 22:58:43 as the client Apr 23 22:58:48 ewww xchat Apr 23 22:58:58 heey! Apr 23 22:59:02 xchat is awesome Apr 23 22:59:09 bad channel to dis xchat! Apr 23 22:59:09 hm Apr 23 22:59:16 but yeah ive been writing my own IRC server, and its very cool Apr 23 22:59:30 it can cope with 65000 simultanious users (in theory) Apr 23 22:59:34 quassel core is a commandline "client"/db system that runs 24/7 on your server and connects to your networks etc... and then you connect the quassel client (qt4 platform independent) to your core <3 Apr 23 22:59:38 ~nuke xchat Apr 23 22:59:39 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at xchat ... B☢☢M! Apr 23 22:59:42 and thats only because of the 64k port limit Apr 23 22:59:47 the *new* xchat Apr 23 22:59:51 and Lua scripting integrated into the server ^_^ Apr 23 22:59:59 i use xchat.. long long time ago, now only irssi ;) Apr 23 23:00:05 summel, sounds a lot like eggdrop Apr 23 23:00:06 MohammadAG: how do i clear out the targets? :o Apr 23 23:00:12 PhonicUK: its better :) Apr 23 23:00:19 run the script with --help Apr 23 23:00:22 thx ^^ Apr 23 23:00:28 the 2nd one? :D Apr 23 23:00:30 too many people in that chan wrote their own irc server Apr 23 23:00:33 see which one clears out the targets Apr 23 23:00:35 hmm, not sure Apr 23 23:00:40 (but at least that means some of us got laid thanks to them) Apr 23 23:01:02 Corsac, how many IRC servers let you do something like this: Apr 23 23:01:02 http://pastebin.com/DZfxRqhZ Apr 23 23:01:11 2nd one i think Apr 23 23:01:12 -y Apr 23 23:01:13 ^^ Apr 23 23:01:41 summel, -y Yes, force remove of existing targets. Apr 23 23:01:43 yep Apr 23 23:01:46 :) Apr 23 23:01:51 I'm not sure it's the point of an irc server anyway :) Apr 23 23:02:00 while helping people to get laid sure is Apr 23 23:02:13 i686 is i386? Apr 23 23:02:18 its for giving admins the ability to integrate their server with other services ^_^ Apr 23 23:02:20 i guess Apr 23 23:02:21 :D Apr 23 23:02:26 its 32bit Apr 23 23:02:28 xD Apr 23 23:02:40 and i686 is compatible to i386 afaik Apr 23 23:03:59 (i386 runs on i686 but not the other way around) Apr 23 23:04:00 WinSCP ftw Apr 23 23:04:13 :D Apr 23 23:05:08 Nautilus ftw Apr 23 23:05:08 ooh the firefox engine supports some of the CSS3 stuff ^_^ Apr 23 23:05:12 drop shadows et al Apr 23 23:05:57 beer ftw2 Apr 23 23:06:19 PhonicUK: yes i already use that stuff Apr 23 23:06:20 <3 Apr 23 23:06:29 and rounded corners Apr 23 23:06:31 yah Apr 23 23:06:41 and png transparency Apr 23 23:06:41 <3 Apr 23 23:06:43 i was just testing out my webapp library, works perfectly Apr 23 23:07:08 its for making web apps that are visually indistinquishable (sp?) from desktop ones Apr 23 23:07:13 MohammadAG: it still fails at setting up sudo :( Apr 23 23:07:19 grrr Apr 23 23:07:35 Updating sudoers Apr 23 23:07:35 mmap: Operation not permitted Apr 23 23:07:35 /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo changes break sudoers Apr 23 23:07:35 dpkg: error processing sudo (--configure): Apr 23 23:07:35 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Apr 23 23:07:37 whoops Apr 23 23:08:06 :) Apr 23 23:09:13 could it be because i use a kubuntu RC? Apr 23 23:09:38 no Apr 23 23:09:42 but as far as i can tell the sudo stuff breaks in the scratchbox thingy which has nothing to do with the system im running? Apr 23 23:09:48 it could be because you're not running it as fakeroot/sudo Apr 23 23:10:18 yes i am running it as the maemo user like the wiki page said Apr 23 23:10:25 i only did run the 1st one as sudo Apr 23 23:13:32 is it possible to resize the opt and MyDocs paritions without emptying them? Apr 23 23:14:09 might be, if you can export the whole eMMC Apr 23 23:14:15 then you can just gparted it Apr 23 23:15:20 mece: I tarred up mydocs onto /home - deleted the partition, made a new 4G mydocs - untarred - and created a large ext3 in the remaining space Apr 23 23:15:27 the speed differance of these two partitions are just ridiculous, considering it's the same chip, so I wanted to make more use of home parition. Apr 23 23:15:44 SpeedEvil, sounds like a good idea. Apr 23 23:15:57 mece: then I told the tracker to also index /home/user/data/sounds - and the tunes popped up Apr 23 23:16:06 speed difference? Apr 23 23:16:07 :) Apr 23 23:16:23 SpeedEvil, somehow using MyDocs slows the device down, but not using opt. Apr 23 23:16:42 dunno wtf is up, but it seems that way. Apr 23 23:16:51 odd Apr 23 23:16:56 what using? Apr 23 23:17:21 well everything. Disc operations mostly. Apr 23 23:17:44 everything seems faster on home than mydocs Apr 23 23:17:54 it could have been coincidence though. Apr 23 23:18:32 depends what you're doing. Apr 23 23:18:51 some things are ridiculously slower on vfat - as vfat doesn't support sparse files. Apr 23 23:18:51 SpeedEvil, it is theoretically possible to resize MyDocs to use the whole 32GBs (minus the 768 swap), and move /opt to MyDocs right? Apr 23 23:19:02 (USB won't work obviously) Apr 23 23:19:04 MohammadAG: I have no idea. Apr 23 23:19:18 MohammadAG: This was done back when the camera would not save to ext2 Apr 23 23:19:20 SpeedEvil, didn't you do just that? Apr 23 23:19:32 no - mydocs is now 4G Apr 23 23:19:36 ah ok., Apr 23 23:19:48 yeah I want some mydocs too. I was thinking 8Gb Apr 23 23:19:56 SpeedEvil, afaik they just swapped partitions (2GB for MyDocs and the rest for /opt) Apr 23 23:19:59 oh well.. I don't think I'll du it right now though. Apr 23 23:20:35 my nose hurts Apr 23 23:21:10 * MohammadAG hits PhonicUK in the nose with the N900 Apr 23 23:21:16 ow Apr 23 23:21:26 thab hurd Apr 23 23:22:13 hmm I think we have links to some illegal stuff on the heroes 2 thread.. Apr 23 23:22:27 PhonicUK, it's as powerful as a brick Apr 23 23:22:31 lol Apr 23 23:22:32 but has other uses Apr 23 23:22:41 600MHz Brick! Apr 23 23:24:59 MyDocs is VFAT -> no posix permissions Apr 23 23:25:22 unless we ext3 it Apr 23 23:25:42 that would bork the camera, but I rarely use it Apr 23 23:25:47 and I have a MicroSD card Apr 23 23:26:46 bork bork bork Apr 23 23:27:41 you usually can't run ELFs off a VFAT fs Apr 23 23:30:36 VFAT caused me problems Apr 23 23:30:42 I was trying to run something off of it Apr 23 23:30:45 and it didn't work Apr 23 23:30:57 after an hour or so o I remembered I can't exec from it Apr 23 23:32:24 that's what I say above, and why I think MyDocs isn't suitable for opt/ Apr 23 23:37:23 * b-man17 wonders from a technical perspective why the camera depends on the MyDocs patririon being vfat... Apr 23 23:37:32 *partition Apr 23 23:37:47 isn't that to maintain that DCIM tree structure like other cameras? Apr 23 23:38:19 DCIM tree structure? Apr 23 23:39:22 DocScrutinizer, but if the whole eMMC was formatted as ext3, and opt was moved to it Apr 23 23:39:26 it would be useful Apr 23 23:40:35 sure, except for usb mass storage Apr 23 23:40:59 which was the whole point about that MyDocs madness Apr 23 23:41:10 DocScrutinizer, ssh ftw Apr 23 23:41:21 especially over a local network :) Apr 23 23:41:27 that... pictures are stored under DCIM/something/.... Apr 23 23:41:38 ds3, got a microSD Apr 23 23:41:44 so I don't care about the cam Apr 23 23:41:49 what the hell Apr 23 23:41:54 hmm Apr 23 23:42:00 and is it happy about the microSD? Apr 23 23:42:29 it didn't like my ext3 formated microSD and complains loudly each time it gets Apr 23 23:42:48 ds3: IIRC the camera vfat shit was a combined permissions + uc/lc issue Apr 23 23:42:59 basically a huge bug Apr 23 23:43:37 that is a minor bug compared to the other annoyances Apr 23 23:44:38 DocScrutinizer: hope this bug gets fixed - a single 32GB ext3/4 partition would be nice :) Apr 23 23:44:48 err Apr 23 23:44:48 MohammadAG: and also IIRC cam won't work even with vfat uSD, if MyDocs is 'borked' Apr 23 23:44:58 are there reasonably priced 32G microSDs? Apr 23 23:45:01 that's f'd up Apr 23 23:45:10 well, you still need a partition for swap ;) Apr 23 23:45:32 DocScrutinizer, only way to find out is... Apr 23 23:45:33 roundabout 80 bucks I think Apr 23 23:45:37 * MohammadAG umounts /dev/mmcblk0p1 Apr 23 23:46:00 ~bork Apr 23 23:46:03 oh wait Apr 23 23:46:12 my microSD is ext3 atm Apr 23 23:46:52 and a 3rd time IIRC this cam vfat bug was fixed with 1.1.1 Apr 23 23:53:45 gah Apr 23 23:53:53 i hate installers that mandade restarting part way through ;\ Apr 23 23:54:03 stupid .Net framework 4.0 Apr 24 00:03:48 can you just copy ttf files to /usr/share/fonts/ and start using them? Apr 24 00:05:06 someone have been tried at Gsoc for ebook reader ?] Apr 24 00:08:39 mece, I use /home/user/.fonts for my app Apr 24 00:10:54 does syncing n900 with google work? Apr 24 00:11:19 yes Apr 24 00:11:30 contacts anyway, not tried anything else Apr 24 00:11:51 contacts and calendar would be important for me :) Apr 24 00:12:03 calendar worked Apr 24 00:12:08 direct syncing with kontact (bluetooth) would also be nice/ok Apr 24 00:12:10 with MfE Apr 24 00:12:12 \o/ Apr 24 00:12:15 MohammadAG: thanks for the filename to that braindead xchat.so Apr 24 00:13:20 no problem, wasn't that an hour ago? :P Apr 24 00:13:29 sure Apr 24 00:13:39 PR1.2 imminent http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624772 Apr 24 00:14:15 7 Apr 24 00:14:28 I so miss USB hostmode :~( Apr 24 00:15:32 MohammadAG: so, you mean "more dissapointed whining and fud" immanent? ;-) Apr 24 00:15:51 ccooke, they corelate :P Apr 24 00:16:09 s/corelate/correlate Apr 24 00:16:57 I so miss USB hostmode :~( Apr 24 00:17:01 never tried it here Apr 24 00:17:11 actually I thought about it when I had the N95 Apr 24 00:17:22 thought it was technically impossible (never googled it) Apr 24 00:17:48 is there a tool to create n900 themes/wallpapers? or could i do that with the sdk? Apr 24 00:18:19 heh, usb hostmode *IS* possible Apr 24 00:18:46 DocScrutinizer: but not plausible ;-) Apr 24 00:18:48 show it else it doesnt exist :P Apr 24 00:19:38 slllow furry! Got my N900 some 9h ago Apr 24 00:19:51 got? Apr 24 00:20:06 ;_; i still have to wait a few hours Apr 24 00:20:36 <3 CorsixTH :) Apr 24 00:20:49 summel: I had to wait months, until november 2009 Apr 24 00:20:53 :D Apr 24 00:21:14 i ordered mine yesterday... should arrive sometime later this day (its 2:20 am :/) Apr 24 00:21:42 hi 'neighbour' :-) Apr 24 00:21:43 Heh, I thought one charger was slightly faster than the other. 1200mA vs. 350mA. Apr 24 00:21:44 nummel, you don't need anything special to make the wallpapers Apr 24 00:21:49 *summel Apr 24 00:22:14 FauxFaux: slightly .. haha Apr 24 00:22:15 what is thi channel about Apr 24 00:22:24 PhonicUK: but i need 4 wallpapers? Apr 24 00:22:27 *pictures Apr 24 00:22:31 correct Apr 24 00:22:36 350ma should take like half a day to charge Apr 24 00:22:43 and they have to overlap for ~90%? Apr 24 00:22:48 you make 1 really long image (3200x480) Apr 24 00:22:49 lmfao http://www.youtube.com/tehkseven Apr 24 00:22:55 and split it into 4x 800x480 images Apr 24 00:23:05 * FauxFaux swaps which is used for trickle-charge on the desk and which is used when I actually want it charged. :p Apr 24 00:23:06 et voila Apr 24 00:23:17 i made my own 4 screen background, was pretty easy Apr 24 00:23:24 but do i have to name them in a special way or something like that? Apr 24 00:23:35 or do i have to load all 4 of them manually? Apr 24 00:23:43 if you don't mind manually setting each image, you don't need to do anything Apr 24 00:23:57 if you want them as a 'pack' theres an extra file you have to make using a text editor Apr 24 00:24:01 ccooke: it *is* plausible -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=583165#post583165 plus follow-ups Apr 24 00:24:04 can you disable the startup video? Apr 24 00:24:09 Torne, yes Apr 24 00:24:09 is there an example file? :) Apr 24 00:24:14 yeah 1 moment Apr 24 00:24:25 haha german beer with ice :P Apr 24 00:24:29 \o/ thx Apr 24 00:24:30 http://thenokiablog.com/2009/10/24/how-to-create-loopable-wallpapers-nokia-n900/ Apr 24 00:24:48 cehteh: ewww Apr 24 00:25:38 PhonicUK: ..how? :) Apr 24 00:25:49 you can just delete the video :P Apr 24 00:25:57 or theres a file somewhere with a list of which videos to play at boot time Apr 24 00:26:35 theres an app called Bootscreen to help you manage it Apr 24 00:38:57 later all, nn Apr 24 00:40:12 hmm, Nokia should have made the bootup screen reconfigurable Apr 24 00:40:21 over the air Apr 24 00:40:26 change it for holidays :) Apr 24 00:41:10 LOL Apr 24 00:41:24 you boot way too often Apr 24 00:41:26 It can be changed over the air :) Apr 24 00:42:36 a deb can be made to unpack the video, the postinst updates the configuration file Apr 24 00:42:51 cehteh: I don't boot at all. Apr 24 01:21:43 Why is maemo.org down :/ Apr 24 01:26:29 weekend? Apr 24 01:27:24 does somebody want to test my wallpaper? :D Apr 24 01:29:32 DocScrutinizer, is it always down at weekends? Apr 24 01:29:53 not uncommon Apr 24 01:30:10 Fixed in PR1.2? Apr 24 01:30:12 :P Apr 24 01:31:09 well, can't be bothered to keep refreshing just to push a new package Apr 24 01:32:22 night Apr 24 01:32:38 hm Apr 24 01:32:47 500GB hard drives for $84 Apr 24 01:32:52 i need one for a ps3 Apr 24 01:36:08 huh last year i brought a 1.5TB one for little over 100eur .. incl usb encasing Apr 24 01:36:31 just the badblocks check over usb (5 passes) took almost 14 days :P Apr 24 01:42:25 $84 Apr 24 01:42:27 ? Apr 24 01:42:30 try $40 http://www.woot.com/ Apr 24 01:44:27 asj: thats also refurbished Apr 24 01:46:15 ~$10 Apr 24 01:46:39 hmm, infobot seems to be down :( Apr 24 01:48:53 Wow Apr 24 01:49:05 That Netwalker PC-T1 looks about perfecr Apr 24 01:49:13 s/cr/ct/ Apr 24 01:49:14 GAN900 meant: That Netwalker PC-T1 looks about perfect Apr 24 01:49:26 woah Apr 24 01:49:47 (at the bot) Apr 24 01:50:34 n900 lasted a whole day under some pretty heavy use Apr 24 01:50:41 hmm, infobot doesn't like me :( Apr 24 01:50:43 that's like 10x better than my G1 :) Apr 24 01:50:53 rawr Apr 24 01:50:57 s/rawr/boom Apr 24 01:51:00 s/rawr/boom/ Apr 24 01:51:01 pronto meant: s/boom/boom Apr 24 01:51:06 rawr Apr 24 01:51:08 s/rawr/boom/ Apr 24 01:51:09 pronto meant: boom Apr 24 01:51:11 pronto: moo Apr 24 01:51:26 k i done :p Apr 24 01:56:14 http://summel.de/n900/ if anyone is interested :) Apr 24 01:57:52 and that is? Apr 24 01:57:59 2 wallpapers :) Apr 24 01:58:19 ah Apr 24 01:58:22 maybe i will do a complete theme in a few days if i can find out how :D Apr 24 01:58:42 i've done a n900 wall paper \o/ Apr 24 01:59:05 http://pronto185.com/2010/02/skull-wallpaper-for-the-n900/ (preview, gimp xcf file, and the images including in the post) Apr 24 01:59:25 :D Apr 24 01:59:34 its pretty easy once you know how Apr 24 02:00:24 the second one i did is very similar to my first one but should wrap around unlike the first one ^^ Apr 24 02:00:53 i rather like it Apr 24 02:01:00 thx ^_^ Apr 24 02:01:16 what would be better is the blue1 style with wrap around Apr 24 02:01:23 i will probably do a few more in the next days Apr 24 02:01:36 also, you should do waht i did, provide a full preview :p Apr 24 02:02:09 yeah will do that for the next ones :) Apr 24 02:02:13 and for those later Apr 24 02:02:14 :o Apr 24 02:02:35 what did you use to m ake them? Apr 24 02:02:43 photoshop ^^ Apr 24 02:02:46 ah Apr 24 02:03:02 i used gimp to edit someones wallpaper they made in photoshop Apr 24 02:03:10 somebody should write a simple app to install .wallpaper files ( a zip file with the 4 images and the desktop file) :) Apr 24 02:03:26 yeah gimp is also nice i use both ^^ Apr 24 02:08:14 pronto: for $40 what's there to lose ? ;) Apr 24 02:08:33 the announce of a HDD failing on you Apr 24 02:11:58 pronto: better? :D Apr 24 02:12:12 awesome \o/ Apr 24 02:12:16 :D Apr 24 02:12:18 Summeli: I did a shell script that gets 3200x480 image and converts to the N900 format using imagemagick, it also creates the .desktop file Apr 24 02:12:25 Summeli: do you want it? Apr 24 02:12:34 ooo i want that too Apr 24 02:12:44 ptl: does it put the pics in the right place on the n900? Apr 24 02:12:46 :D Apr 24 02:13:21 no, it just creates the 5 files. It could be easily adapted to do that, though, if you run it on the N900. Apr 24 02:13:31 http://patola.org/cria-wallpaper-n900.sh Apr 24 02:13:43 it's very simple and check for errors. Apr 24 02:13:48 ah thx :) Apr 24 02:13:50 s/check/checks/ Apr 24 02:13:50 ptl meant: it's very simple and checks for errors. Apr 24 02:14:04 maybe i will write one myself that "installs" the wallpapers on the n900 Apr 24 02:14:15 later today when i got my n900 xD Apr 24 02:14:20 just move it to /home/user/MyDocs/.images once they're converted Apr 24 02:14:41 just need to add a couple lines to this script Apr 24 02:15:21 hmmm im not sure how i want to do that yet.... do i want to distribute a .wallpaper (zip) file or do i want to distribute 1 large jpg and let the n900 hanlde the slicing? Apr 24 02:16:10 .wallpaper? Does the n900 recognize this one? Apr 24 02:16:14 a gui application on the n900 like the kde4 get-hot-new-stuff wallpaper thingy would be nice :D Apr 24 02:16:26 there is, but it's not free Apr 24 02:16:29 ptl: the script would unzip the provided .wallpaper file xD Apr 24 02:16:33 it's the app from http://www.n900wallpapers.com Apr 24 02:16:41 ewww Apr 24 02:16:51 i hate non-free stuff on my free device :D Apr 24 02:17:29 me too. Apr 24 02:17:44 somebody should write a free app for that Apr 24 02:17:53 i would if i could get the sdk working xDD Apr 24 02:20:40 hello Apr 24 02:20:58 i don't find anymore my stylus pen for nokia 770 Apr 24 02:21:10 where can i buy it ? Apr 24 02:21:20 buy an n900 and use that one :O Apr 24 02:21:37 is the same pen ? Apr 24 02:22:01 i guess npt but it should work xD and you get a nice phone for "free" too xD Apr 24 02:22:39 npt ? xD ? Apr 24 02:22:43 *not Apr 24 02:22:55 xD = x) + :D Apr 24 02:23:08 :-) Apr 24 02:23:14 ^_^ Apr 24 02:23:42 yes, but i am searching only the pen Apr 24 02:23:44 Pavlz: well i guess any stylus would do... Apr 24 02:23:52 i got my nokia 770 Apr 24 02:24:03 how much for ? Apr 24 02:24:10 and i guess there are a few on ebay... it wont probably fit in the holder though Apr 24 02:24:21 and where to send you the transfer banking ? Apr 24 02:24:36 i have not find on ebay Apr 24 02:25:38 Has anyone seen any figures on how many N900s Nokia has sold? Apr 24 02:26:38 which is the code of stylus pen for nokia 770 ? Apr 24 02:48:28 i find one at home Apr 24 02:48:39 now a little query: Apr 24 02:49:33 a little circuit to convert 5 Volt of USB to 3,7 Volt, so that is possible to charge the battery Apr 24 02:54:46 you cant charge a liion battery by voltage alone Apr 24 02:59:07 haha Apr 24 02:59:20 man can not live on bread and water alone **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 24 02:59:56 2010