**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 25 02:59:57 2010 Apr 25 03:38:12 wtf is wrong with people Apr 25 03:38:15 really Apr 25 03:38:32 talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=626590#post626590 Apr 25 03:40:12 ZogG, hey, advertising never lies. Apr 25 03:40:28 * GAN900 enjoyed How To Train Your Dragon more. Apr 25 03:40:38 1st it's not that great movie Apr 25 03:40:56 second what is the kinda posts like that Apr 25 03:41:14 It's the off topic forum. Apr 25 03:41:27 still =) Apr 25 03:41:51 Feel free to reply telling him that you think he's wrong, but at least it's in the right spot Apr 25 03:43:55 Ari speaks on Meego http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=625928#post625928 Apr 25 03:44:14 speaks on? Apr 25 03:44:18 He's sitting on it? Apr 25 03:44:31 He's got a voice modulator that runs on MeeGo? Apr 25 03:44:51 pupnik, keynote? Apr 25 03:44:55 and who the fuck still uses ITT? Apr 25 03:44:59 pupnik, pretty content-free. Apr 25 03:45:10 People too lazy to update bookmarks? Apr 25 03:45:48 GAN900: except ITT has ads on it Apr 25 03:46:06 crashanddie, goes to the same place forum-side Apr 25 03:46:27 it does? Apr 25 03:50:18 Believe so Apr 25 03:52:52 google gave me that link from itt Apr 25 03:56:20 bmw likes meego? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/node/6145 Apr 25 03:57:02 pupnik: well, yeah, old news Apr 25 03:57:40 GAN900: give me something to do, I'm bored Apr 25 03:57:50 pupnik, the Maemo Community Council, too! Apr 25 03:57:54 crashanddie, video game? Apr 25 03:58:17 like? Apr 25 03:58:20 Altitude is tons of fun Apr 25 03:58:26 GAN900: I don't have a mouse on the mbp Apr 25 03:58:36 Don't need one Apr 25 03:58:39 keyboard Apr 25 03:58:43 is that on n900? Apr 25 03:58:46 or desktop? Apr 25 03:58:49 Java Apr 25 03:58:52 k Apr 25 03:59:21 link? Apr 25 03:59:52 altitudegame.com ? Apr 25 04:00:48 Yeah Apr 25 04:04:37 In the future, even when everything takes nanoseconds to complete Apr 25 04:04:45 Downloading shit will always take "3 seconds" Apr 25 04:08:19 GAN900: fial Apr 25 04:08:31 GAN900: altitude requires specific network setup -- i'm in a hotel Apr 25 04:08:31 fial? Apr 25 04:08:38 Ah, sorry. Apr 25 04:08:42 fial == failed failure Apr 25 04:10:50 advertising-based on-line services will always be slow Apr 25 04:11:49 so .. no MMS for the n900 Apr 25 04:11:59 * GAN900 wants that new Netwalker tablet for home automation. Apr 25 04:12:05 caotic, fMMS Apr 25 04:12:40 GAN900: is that an application or an statement ? Apr 25 04:12:54 application Apr 25 04:13:08 caotic: it's also a statement Apr 25 04:13:32 GAN900: think it was little snitch standing in the way Apr 25 04:13:32 crashanddie: I thought he ment f*ck mms Apr 25 04:13:49 Ah, gotta love Little Snitch Apr 25 04:13:54 Such a great name Apr 25 04:14:10 GAN900: though it's now loading the tutorial from 0.0.0.0:777 which is quite worrying :P Apr 25 04:20:22 hehe, fun game indeed, thanks for that GAN900 Apr 25 04:20:43 crashanddie, yeah, great idle time killer Apr 25 04:21:07 crashanddie, well worth buying, too, since the shareware planes suck. Apr 25 04:35:18 how much is it? Apr 25 04:36:26 what game? Apr 25 04:41:50 summel: altitude Apr 25 04:42:33 -dev repository? ^^ Apr 25 04:49:14 shareware planes? Can't your company get you decent business class? ;-P Apr 25 04:50:13 * DocScrutinizer shudders and considers to take another few hours nap Apr 25 04:50:45 summel: not on n900 Apr 25 04:50:55 ah ok Apr 25 04:52:18 can I run maemo as a vm ? Apr 25 04:52:26 websites on that? Apr 25 04:53:01 no Apr 25 04:53:59 you can use the scratchbox 'IDE' Apr 25 04:54:14 * pupnik writes a N900 emulator for N900 Apr 25 04:54:17 aiui that won't run a full maemo Apr 25 04:55:42 that is metagod's trick: abstraction / reflection Apr 25 04:55:48 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly what a scratchbox might be Apr 25 04:56:04 cage for cats? Apr 25 04:56:26 good Apr 25 04:56:55 what would happen to maemo after the final release of meego? merge? stop? continue? Apr 25 04:57:13 ~dict scratchbox Apr 25 04:57:17 could not find definition for scratchbox Apr 25 04:57:42 smhar: undefined Apr 25 04:58:32 docscrutinizer, Oh, I missed that option :-) Apr 25 04:58:37 merge is unlikely as meego is a maemo+moblin merger already Apr 25 04:58:56 the story of linux is still cool .. imagining the alternative possible worlds Apr 25 05:00:13 docscrutinizer, as far as Nokia is concerned, I think maemo would be dead Apr 25 05:00:18 smhar: let me put it this way: what happened to win2000 when winXP came to market Apr 25 05:00:56 docscrutinizer, I am not sure the same applies here Apr 25 05:01:09 DocScrutinizer: it survived a long time on servers and machines of people who hated xp Apr 25 05:01:18 yes Apr 25 05:01:33 win2000 was by far the better OS compared to XP until SP1 Apr 25 05:01:40 I expect to see same thing happen with maemo Apr 25 05:01:56 we are talking about an OS that is developed by the community, not just applications Apr 25 05:02:11 smhar: wake up, Maemo isn't developed by the community Apr 25 05:02:24 not at all Apr 25 05:02:38 nor is meego as it is now Apr 25 05:02:58 plus, everybody know that that MS does not update that often, so the life span is big any way Apr 25 05:03:15 that statement doesn't mean anything Apr 25 05:03:23 crashanddie, , docscrutinizer, true, but you know what I mean Apr 25 05:03:28 no, we don't Apr 25 05:03:30 as if Nokia is notorious to update maemo quite frequently XP Apr 25 05:03:51 seriously, if Nokia stops working on Maemo 5, you're stuffed Apr 25 05:04:01 at this stage, you can't update squat Apr 25 05:04:41 GeneralAntilles: what would the implications be of releasing a new flash image that contained updated version of the software? Apr 25 05:04:42 crashanddie, that is my point exactly.. once meego is on the go, why would Nokia update maemo ever Apr 25 05:05:01 ok, but I though tthat was a givne Apr 25 05:05:03 woa Apr 25 05:05:09 I thought that was a given** Apr 25 05:06:17 fsck tmo down Apr 25 05:06:27 if it comes up again... Apr 25 05:06:37 smhar: please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Apr 25 05:06:47 DocScrutinizer: works for me Apr 25 05:07:38 timeout on Adresse: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Apr 25 05:07:59 works again Apr 25 05:08:05 ~lart tmo Apr 25 05:08:05 * infobot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at tmo Apr 25 05:10:22 who would've thought someone could create art on the n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=626336&postcount=20 Apr 25 05:15:17 hi all Apr 25 05:16:21 yo dmkae Apr 25 05:16:38 sup man Apr 25 05:17:03 dns Apr 25 05:17:21 what? Apr 25 05:17:30 sup reversed = dns Apr 25 05:17:56 ah Apr 25 05:18:02 ~reverse sup Apr 25 05:18:03 pus Apr 25 05:18:08 :D Apr 25 05:18:11 ew Apr 25 05:18:23 so, does the maemo kick the iphone's ass ? Apr 25 05:18:25 :P Apr 25 05:18:32 yes Apr 25 05:18:39 ah Apr 25 05:18:39 dmkae: nope, but you'll get kicked if you start trolling like that :P Apr 25 05:18:41 why? Apr 25 05:18:45 ah k sorry Apr 25 05:18:49 wasnt trolling Apr 25 05:18:50 nah, to dirty and useless a job Apr 25 05:18:51 just asking Apr 25 05:19:00 s60 already is better then iphone os Apr 25 05:19:05 in terms of features Apr 25 05:19:08 i want to develop for the maemo Apr 25 05:19:18 i need to install *nix for that Apr 25 05:19:19 right? Apr 25 05:19:23 dmkae: nope Apr 25 05:19:28 or a virtual machine with linux Apr 25 05:19:31 dmkae: you can run the so called SDK in a VM Apr 25 05:19:49 sweet link crashanddie - i knew mypaint just needed the right artist Apr 25 05:20:00 ah Apr 25 05:20:04 on any distro? Apr 25 05:20:09 debian based Apr 25 05:20:20 so debian, ubuntu, kubuntu, etc Apr 25 05:20:27 suse "should" also work but i would go with ubuntu 9.10 Apr 25 05:20:42 Palm's Execs Are Jumping Ship as Fast as Its Potential Buyers! Apr 25 05:20:43 the sdk vm works on windows too Apr 25 05:20:51 or kubuntu but kubuntu sucks until 10.4 and i couldnt get the sdk working on the 1.04 rc Apr 25 05:20:53 moo, pupnik, crash Apr 25 05:21:01 moo RST38h Apr 25 05:21:11 ah yea Apr 25 05:21:26 lenovo looking to buy palm and everything Apr 25 05:21:49 ~death palm Apr 25 05:22:05 ~rip palm Apr 25 05:22:06 * infobot takes palm and acts as Jack The Ripper Apr 25 05:22:12 :D Apr 25 05:22:25 ~rape palm Apr 25 05:22:26 * infobot takes palm behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Apr 25 05:22:53 I can't believe that one is still in the bot Apr 25 05:23:38 because of 'wallmart' ? ;-) Apr 25 05:24:12 yeah, DEATH TO CORPORATE AMERICA Apr 25 05:24:28 JIHAD, JIHAD, JIHAD Apr 25 05:24:29 "...The other woman in his life, Bonnie, tired of life in a cave, left him for a job as a potato sorter and was murdered by her roommate." Apr 25 05:25:00 RST38h: you published your autobiography? Apr 25 05:25:19 wow Apr 25 05:25:26 the death of a caveman Apr 25 05:25:28 :D Apr 25 05:25:46 it's amazing they managed to find her name Apr 25 05:25:59 and that she was called Bonnie! A proper cavemanesque name. Apr 25 05:26:29 cavewoman Apr 25 05:26:49 Source: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/23/1164899/death-of-caveman-ends-an-era-in.html Apr 25 05:26:56 (and yes, it gets even weirder) Apr 25 05:27:29 "He was the last of Idaho's legendary loners" Apr 25 05:27:32 Legendary to whom? Apr 25 05:27:39 hehehe Apr 25 05:27:45 to idaho? Apr 25 05:28:24 * DocScrutinizer humms 'your own private Idaho' Apr 25 05:28:53 They are a unique group that until the 1980s included canyon contemporaries with names like Beaver Dick, Cougar Dave and Wheelbarrow Annie Apr 25 05:28:56 Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/23/1164899/death-of-caveman-ends-an-era-in.html#ixzz0m5RzvKbC Apr 25 05:28:59 crap Apr 25 05:29:48 They are a unique group that until the 1980s included canyon contemporaries with names like Beaver Dick, Cougar Dave and Wheelbarrow Annie Apr 25 05:29:51 "They are a unique group that until the 80s included canyon contemporaries with names like Beaver Dick, Cougar Dave and Wheelbarrow Annie" Apr 25 05:29:55 "Beaver Dick"? Apr 25 05:29:58 I mean, seriously? Apr 25 05:30:39 crashanddie: hickup? Apr 25 05:30:39 people get bored there really easily Apr 25 05:31:03 DocScrutinizer: my bad Apr 25 05:31:24 DocScrutinizer: the first paste was jinxed by some javascript to prevent copy/pasting Apr 25 05:33:18 "...He procured large volumes of beauty supplies containing hydrogen peroxide to make TATP, an explosive involved in a London transit attack..." Apr 25 05:35:07 APEX, nice Apr 25 05:35:51 That guy must've had the most boring life ever Apr 25 05:36:04 Even during WWII he didn't get to shoot a gun, he was a bloody truck driver Apr 25 05:36:11 'if life gets boring, risk it' Apr 25 05:36:23 olde freeclimber saying Apr 25 05:36:41 yeah, like you're such a great inspiration to life, eh DocScrutinizer? Apr 25 05:36:51 You meddle with 20mA, you puss :P Apr 25 05:37:53 * DocScrutinizer points to the 'getting' part, suggesting a transition of state Apr 25 05:38:28 state of my life is rather static Apr 25 05:39:52 mine's more dynamic Apr 25 05:39:53 :) Apr 25 05:41:01 does meego make maemo obselete? i mean... maemo will stop being developed? Apr 25 05:41:16 touching article RST38h Apr 25 05:41:43 dekozo: maemo development goes into mego Apr 25 05:41:54 i see Apr 25 05:42:12 what about meebo? Apr 25 05:42:20 does that make maemo obsolete too? Apr 25 05:42:21 dekozo: please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Apr 25 05:42:52 dekozo: would you like me to write you a maemo app? Apr 25 05:43:30 pupnik: could you write ME one? Apr 25 05:43:31 :) Apr 25 05:44:09 oops Apr 25 05:56:04 Anyone here worked with XVideo? Apr 25 05:56:37 ~maemo-obsolete is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Apr 25 05:56:38 DocScrutinizer: okay Apr 25 05:57:04 ~meego-obsolete is see maemo-obsolete Apr 25 05:57:05 okay, DocScrutinizer Apr 25 06:03:33 dmkae: maemo5 will not last forever Apr 25 06:03:40 if you thought otherwise, i'm sorry Apr 25 06:04:07 there is still work @nokia on maemo5 Apr 25 06:04:17 however there was also work on maemo6 over a year ago Apr 25 06:04:30 and maemo6 is being folded into something which will be branded 'meego' Apr 25 06:04:50 there was work @intel on moblin2.1 at some point Apr 25 06:04:57 and their future work was supposed to be on moblin2.2 Apr 25 06:05:07 but they folded their work into 'meego' Apr 25 06:05:27 to the extent that intel has service releases for moblin2.1, presumably that would still continue Apr 25 06:05:37 but the future is the future Apr 25 06:05:46 maemo5 is built on top of gtk Apr 25 06:05:58 and >6months ago nokia indicated that the future for maemo6 was not gtk Apr 25 06:06:36 which made a lot of people cry and shiver Apr 25 06:06:41 for no good reason Apr 25 06:07:00 right Apr 25 06:07:14 but if we didn't announce future plans at some point, people would complain Apr 25 06:07:29 if we do, our foolish customers cry and shiver Apr 25 06:07:46 the announcement was targeted at developers Apr 25 06:08:22 with maemo5 we had a qt4.5 available, with pr1.2, we'll include qt4.6 which is supposed to make it easier for devs to write apps which target maemo5 and Apr 25 06:08:48 (there's no guarantee qt4.6 will be shipped w/ meego, but it's clear that we won't ship 4.5...) Apr 25 06:09:31 at the very least, if we ship a product and there are no apps available, our customers would complain :) Apr 25 06:09:50 by announcing plans to devs, we enable them to target our products before we ship them, which should enable them to make our customers happier Apr 25 06:10:26 and since qt4.6 apps should work on n900's running pt1.2 and meego devices (whenever those appear), it should make more apps available for n900 customers Apr 25 06:10:31 so they should be happy, not sad Apr 25 06:10:49 but customers whine in public and are happy in private, and you can't measure private happiness Apr 25 06:11:12 * timeless_mbp leaves Apr 25 06:11:21 * DocScrutinizer waves at timeless_mbp Apr 25 06:14:59 * RST38h yawns and wonders if it is possible to reduce the number of threads started by microb, messaging, and modest Apr 25 06:15:43 five of each is kinda heavy, given that the system freezes as soon as it goes to swap Apr 25 06:16:17 * DocScrutinizer fatgrins Apr 25 06:17:14 threads *can* be really lightweight Apr 25 06:18:38 esp in comparision to handling concurrency in one threadless process Apr 25 06:19:18 check the pss/uss - it's not really that bad Apr 25 06:19:56 moin SpeedEvil Apr 25 06:24:51 DocS: Except that each of these threads seems to eat ~5MB Apr 25 06:27:00 are you sure this isn't one chunk of 5MB shared by all threads? Apr 25 06:27:44 cause that's how threads usually work aiui Apr 25 06:29:27 DocS: Of course I am sure Apr 25 06:29:38 DocS: 13MB is shared by all threads, 5MB allocated individually Apr 25 06:29:52 that's actually bad Apr 25 06:29:57 And these are most likely processes, not threads Apr 25 06:35:25 * RST38h laughs satanically after finding the place in startup where browserds are bred Apr 25 06:36:50 Actually, HTOP may simply be wrong. PS shows way fewer copies, and that corresonds to what I see in that script Apr 25 06:41:56 * DocScrutinizer suggests a killall , and to watch used memory during that Apr 25 06:58:42 Ahhahaha Apr 25 06:58:58 A US gamer has been banned from ever buying another iPad. Why? He reached his "lifetime limit." Apr 25 07:01:34 When his story was linked to by Valleywag, one commenter, self-described as an Apple Store employee, noted: "The employee got it wrong. The *daily* limit is two iPads per day. The 'lifetime limit' is ten." Apr 25 07:02:12 "Nothing is sadder than seeing the look on a little kid's face when you don't have the toy they want, because you just personally sold the last half-dozen to a shady guy in sunglasses who reeks of cigarette smoke. It gets old really fast." Apr 25 07:04:00 RST38h: Already read that story - but where did you get the update from an employee? Apr 25 07:05:05 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/25/ipad_lifetime_limit/ Apr 25 07:05:39 * RST38h really likes how gadget companies are adopting Soviet marketing style nowadays Apr 25 07:06:13 Make the device scarce, make people stay in lines for it, only sell at a few locations, ban people for buying in bulk Apr 25 07:08:44 Oh, have I forgotten draconian usage agreements and 2-year contracts? That is because Soviets did not have them =) Apr 25 07:14:06 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad?mco=OTY2ODA0NQ shows “ipad order limit: 2” Apr 25 07:17:18 <|marcvs|> Hi there, I've a short question about the initfs_flasher, bootmenu and things Apr 25 07:17:51 <|marcvs|> 1st: there are lots of pretty old files there. Does the stuff work on the n900? Apr 25 07:18:09 <|marcvs|> 2nd: I really tried finding the "HOME KEY" on my n900 Apr 25 07:18:15 <|marcvs|> I don't find it Apr 25 07:34:08 RST38h: 'no' Apr 25 07:34:31 RST38h: memory which isn't actively used should be swapped out Apr 25 07:34:51 those thread stack limits should generally not be hit, and thus they should be swapped out (or never even backed..) and not hurt anyone Apr 25 07:50:41 does anyone know an international news rss feed which doesn't just send you links that you have to click and open in a browser, but rather full articles? I know, for them it makes little sense to do that as you miss out on all their ads on their pages, but being mobile it's really annoying having to open microb to read an article. Apr 25 07:54:15 agreed Apr 25 07:55:38 the bbc, google and yahoo news all just send links and one sentence. Apr 25 08:01:20 hello guys is anyone else having problem with update file corrupt? Apr 25 08:01:37 on n900 Apr 25 08:10:45 Anyone knows if I can call XvQueryAdaptors(0,0,...) ? Apr 25 08:19:45 Morning, all Apr 25 08:27:33 Anyone have links of interest for tomorrow's http://www.mwkn.net/? Or wants to become a regular contributor (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News#Contributor%20Reference)? Apr 25 08:31:40 is qt-irreco pretty unstable? i had it working last night but now no matter what i do it doesnt work Apr 25 08:31:51 today Apr 25 08:32:19 oscilloscope says its not outputing any IR data Apr 25 08:43:19 Jaffa: i'm buzz'ing stuff these days Apr 25 08:43:25 but it isn't suitable for mwkn.net :( Apr 25 08:44:10 timeless_mbp: sure? Apr 25 08:44:10 Jaffa: the squeeze thing sounds awesome Apr 25 08:44:18 Jaffa: have you found my buzz? Apr 25 08:44:47 * timeless_mbp tries to remember how to find it Apr 25 08:47:35 timeless_mbp: don't look at Buzz that often Apr 25 08:47:41 Jaffa: oh, i suppose we could perhaps start advertising mxr.moego.org Apr 25 08:47:50 but i really should get the meego day 1 stuff indexed Apr 25 08:55:57 so whats the weather like in HEL? Apr 25 08:56:14 * frals just got aboard arlanda express Apr 25 08:58:31 <|marcvs|> I've created a new partition on my internal flash Apr 25 08:58:38 <|marcvs|> now: how to boot from it? Apr 25 08:58:53 <|marcvs|> I checked the stuff of fanoush, but that doesn't seem to work with n900 Apr 25 08:58:57 <|marcvs|> any hint? Apr 25 08:59:25 <|marcvs|> (and yes: i did google a lot, but i'm almost blind from that now) Apr 25 09:06:24 frals: sunny atm Apr 25 09:06:43 frals: if you're going to be here today, send me an sms and we can grab coffee :) Apr 25 09:16:10 there is a mistery in how majong starts: it draws the window with all it contents even before it zooms fullscreen. other applications do not behave that way. is it specially tuned transition or what? Apr 25 09:30:15 in case you missed it: a good artist meets mypaint on n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=626336&postcount=20 Apr 25 09:30:41 * noobmonk3y waves Apr 25 09:33:44 * pupnik wobbles Apr 25 09:39:06 is there no pdf reader for n900 where one can select text? Apr 25 09:39:18 " * However, native 3G video call is still not yet supported." oops. Apr 25 09:39:34 I tried the default one and evince, but no luck Apr 25 09:42:07 timeless_mbp: i should be arriving around 16 at hel airport Apr 25 09:42:31 ok Apr 25 09:42:44 i can certainly meet up w/ you any way you like. Apr 25 09:42:53 are you going to take the finnair bus to the central railway station? Apr 25 09:43:08 yeah thats the plan Apr 25 09:43:46 pillar_: you can afaict do it in evince Apr 25 09:44:51 timeless_mbp: im staying at radisson seaside, whats closest for you? Apr 25 09:45:31 god i hate the lack of free wireless at arlanda, 3g is slow :/ Apr 25 09:45:47 hrm Apr 25 09:45:51 i can reach either fairly easily Apr 25 09:46:05 pupnik: oh really, how do you activate the select mode? Apr 25 09:46:14 it's <15mins to either Apr 25 09:46:20 may i ask what you are soing in HEL? Apr 25 09:46:20 (on foot) Apr 25 09:46:25 frals Apr 25 09:46:53 http://www.google.com/m/search?q=n900+evince+select+***+text pillar_ Apr 25 09:47:19 pupnik: psych eval or something along those lines... :D Apr 25 09:47:45 timeless_mbp: ok, id prefer if i could checkin and get rid of my luggage first :) Apr 25 09:48:49 well it would be fun to meet up. i am flying into tampere on tuesday Apr 25 09:49:04 spending any time there? Apr 25 09:49:15 tampere's fairly far from helsinki Apr 25 09:49:49 sorry heading home again on tuesday :) Apr 25 09:49:52 yea but i may want to ride down sometime anyway Apr 25 09:50:29 ok no chance for n900 pvp Star Control 2 melee Apr 25 09:54:52 timeless_mbp; May I ask if it's the en_GB localization that causes some input fields to cover buttons? OR could that be caused by some other application I may have installed? (I'm still using the default theme) Apr 25 09:55:27 hello, how can i clean the apt cache? it has 16MB but apt-get clean and apt-get autoremove does not work Apr 25 09:55:42 its a .bin file somewhere in /var/ i mean Apr 25 09:57:14 talk.maemo.org is down? Apr 25 09:57:55 pupnik: found it, ctrl+, enters edit mode Apr 25 09:58:17 Trizt: i need pictures Apr 25 09:58:24 in general my strings are *shorter* than the default strings Apr 25 09:58:28 so it /shouldn't/ be my fault Apr 25 09:58:41 also, i checked, and my strings at least the ones i haven't pushed are current as of ages ago Apr 25 09:58:52 i need to actually build a newer set and push them out, i'll do that shortly Apr 25 09:59:15 timeless_mbp; it's not the text that seems to be problem, it feels like the input fields somehow got longer/wider Apr 25 09:59:46 Trizt: i need pictures. ctrl-shift-p is your friend Apr 25 10:00:53 ty pillar_ maemo note: To select text in a pdf on n900 with evince use ctrl+enter Apr 25 10:01:49 alternatively, the cpu-applet will also take screenshots Apr 25 10:02:00 timeless_mbp; that requires some tool to be installed right? or where is the picture stored? Apr 25 10:02:38 Trizt: of the cpu-applet screenshots - dunno - but the indexer finds them, so I just upload to flickr Apr 25 10:03:02 camkeyd conflicts with this - as it zooms to the desktop while you try to take a pic Apr 25 10:03:15 so you have to leave it 20s and let it autotake pic Apr 25 10:03:15 Trizt: maemo5 comes w/ it for free Apr 25 10:03:27 it dumps it into ~/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots or something Apr 25 10:03:31 Trizt: nmydocs/.images/screenshots Apr 25 10:03:31 image viewer shows it Apr 25 10:03:39 thanks frals Apr 25 10:05:09 does media tracker work fairly well since 1.2? Apr 25 10:06:33 whats the problem with it in 1.1.1? Apr 25 10:07:08 didnt work for me Apr 25 10:11:44 morning Apr 25 10:11:54 ello Apr 25 10:11:59 moo lardman Apr 25 10:12:06 hi chaps Apr 25 10:12:29 'lo lardman Apr 25 10:12:43 timeless_mbp; should be a mail in your inbox shortly, if not gmail filters away ovi mails :P Apr 25 10:12:52 heh Apr 25 10:13:03 it arrived Apr 25 10:13:19 kinda Apr 25 10:13:24 ovi seems incredibly stupid Apr 25 10:13:27 (i'm shocked!) Apr 25 10:13:38 interesting Apr 25 10:13:43 yes, I guess so, but it's made by ms users for ms users Apr 25 10:14:21 good morning Apr 25 10:14:21 so... Apr 25 10:14:34 * timeless_mbp has no idea what's going on there Apr 25 10:14:43 timeless_mbp; if I press the button, then it comes in front and you will see it fully displayed Apr 25 10:14:45 it looks fine for me w/ my digital nature theme Apr 25 10:14:52 in 1.2 Apr 25 10:15:02 * Trizt still uses old 1.1.1 Apr 25 10:15:05 note that i don't have an ovi account Apr 25 10:15:15 i can check to see what the nokia string was, hold Apr 25 10:15:47 im having a problem. I made a few shortcuts to desktop but today they are gone. I already disabled all desktops then re-enabled but they are still missing. can anyone help please? Apr 25 10:16:09 timeless_mbp; I doubt it should say anything more than the account name Apr 25 10:18:58 will the indexing work properly in 1.2? it's makes my phone quite unresponsive each time I take a look at the images and I really don't want to index the wallpapers (I have excluded those in the config, but still keeps to index those). Is it possible to set a niceness for the index? Apr 25 10:19:30 No one ever into my Desktop shortcut problem? Apr 25 10:19:43 ran into* Apr 25 10:19:48 hmm, has pr1.2 been released then? Apr 25 10:19:54 Trizt: yes niceness is all there in config file Apr 25 10:20:41 Trizt: i turned mine off and use gqview or mplayer Apr 25 10:21:08 no lardman Apr 25 10:21:17 oh, shame Apr 25 10:21:50 I just read this "One of the big changes PR1.2 brought us is official Qt support in the form of Q4.6 in the Nokia SDK and repositories." from Attila's post and thought I'd missed it Apr 25 10:22:18 he already has it - so he doesn't care about the rest of us. Apr 25 10:22:24 lol Apr 25 10:24:22 well I can once again confirm that Ovi Maps really is crap, especially when walking around a city you don't know and preferring to not have to wait around for the app, and for the appalling search feature Apr 25 10:24:43 * Trizt tries to remember the location of the index config file Apr 25 10:25:04 Sygic has a funtional gps Apr 25 10:25:47 have to pay for it though iirc? Apr 25 10:26:17 I'd just like to get rid of the webness and have a c/c++ api into the renderer Apr 25 10:26:28 sygic is quite good Apr 25 10:27:31 how much does it cost? Apr 25 10:28:00 60 € AFAIR Apr 25 10:28:37 and Russian voice is a chick Apr 25 10:28:47 free program updates but not map updates Apr 25 10:28:49 which was a pleasent surprise Apr 25 10:28:57 but works quite nicely Apr 25 10:30:30 why no updated Ovi Maps like the Symbian phones have? Apr 25 10:30:42 and free I should add Apr 25 10:30:58 * RST38h REALLY looking for someone with SB2 now Apr 25 10:31:06 Stskeeps, are you there? Apr 25 10:31:08 or is this an attempt to foster external devs? Apr 25 10:31:23 lardman: well, sygic's probably making money :) Apr 25 10:31:36 'cause I am really at loss trying to understand why sb2 dpkg coredumps on Karmic Apr 25 10:31:40 the problem is that gate5 (the idiots behind ovi maps) Apr 25 10:31:47 is an independent entity Apr 25 10:31:54 and they work on things w/ the biggest audience first Apr 25 10:31:55 It is not VDSO. It is not the tools (tried lenny and etch) Apr 25 10:32:05 s60 and s40 have much bigger audiences than mameo4 or maemo5 Apr 25 10:32:13 timeless_mbp: ah, I see, I thought Nokia would control what they worked on though...? Apr 25 10:32:21 timeless_mbp; and gate5 only know how to make things for ms? Apr 25 10:32:37 lardman: sure "work on things w/ the biggest targets first" Apr 25 10:32:50 gate5 is part of nokia Apr 25 10:32:51 ok Apr 25 10:32:54 but it acts independently Apr 25 10:33:06 well, it isn't beholden to maemo devices at least Apr 25 10:33:24 * Trizt has to wait until his all images has been re-indexed again :( Apr 25 10:33:25 ok, makes sense Apr 25 10:37:59 * noobmonk3y grumbles and slaps frals with a huuuuuger tuna.... no trout around :( Apr 25 10:38:14 huuuuuger?!- meh huuuuuge* Apr 25 10:42:57 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout Apr 25 10:43:17 * noobmonk3y grins Apr 25 10:43:25 off for your finnish jolly yet? Apr 25 10:43:43 aye at the airport waiting for my flight atm Apr 25 10:43:48 awwww have fun :D Apr 25 10:43:58 just got my ssh tunnel up so i could rdp home Apr 25 10:44:15 one thing good with the volcano shit is that this airport opened up their wireless for free because of it Apr 25 10:44:42 is it overloaded? Apr 25 10:45:21 nah they usually charge like 5/30min or something silly for it Apr 25 10:47:33 frals; you been at the airport in Budapest, they have one of those ~€5/30 too, but then you have also access to two free ones too (at least that was the case two years ago) Apr 25 10:47:38 Howdy, anyone here with admin oversight to the maemo.org bugtracker? Apr 25 10:49:45 ah shit=( Apr 25 10:54:37 lcuk, Thankyou for your patch to h/c a week or so ago! :D just got round to implementing it :D Apr 25 10:54:48 lol frals! Apr 25 10:54:57 free = good :D Apr 25 10:57:29 any reason why hciconfig hci0 isnt working from pythong but is fine in x-terminal? Apr 25 10:57:39 python* Apr 25 10:58:08 you are doing something wrong? ;) Apr 25 10:58:31 just trying to drag BT MAC address Apr 25 10:58:49 sh:hciconfig: not found Apr 25 10:58:55 is the response i get Apr 25 10:59:04 give fullpath to the exectuable? Apr 25 10:59:05 speify an abosolure path? Apr 25 10:59:07 not root/ Apr 25 10:59:09 ? Apr 25 10:59:15 hmmmm good point! Apr 25 10:59:18 now i need to find it ;) Apr 25 10:59:36 which Apr 25 10:59:44 hciconfig Apr 25 10:59:49 ... Apr 25 10:59:54 ...? Apr 25 11:00:11 Type "which hciconfig". Apr 25 11:00:53 hmmm nothing Apr 25 11:00:54 :D Apr 25 11:01:09 (literally nothing, no error) Apr 25 11:01:16 That means that you were lying. Apr 25 11:01:26 ? Apr 25 11:01:38 lol this cryptic stuff is worse then frals's trouts Apr 25 11:01:56 :D Apr 25 11:02:02 Typing "hciconfig" is essentially the same as copying the output of "which hciconfig" and running that instead. Apr 25 11:02:21 /usr/sbin/hciconfig noobmonk3y Apr 25 11:02:36 i actually got my phone out of my pocket just to get that for you! Apr 25 11:02:41 lol! Apr 25 11:02:46 wonder why i can run it fine Apr 25 11:02:49 but cant which it Apr 25 11:02:55 must be making a stupid typo somewhere Apr 25 11:03:02 You're probably root and python isn't. Apr 25 11:03:03 thanks frals Apr 25 11:03:08 nope, fresh xterm Apr 25 11:03:15 need to be root to see it with which Apr 25 11:03:18 ahhhhh Apr 25 11:03:29 It's safe to blame all unexpectedness on busybox being broken. Apr 25 11:03:34 lol!!!! Apr 25 11:03:44 sbin isn't in the path on my n900.. Apr 25 11:03:49 Today my coffee boiled over in the microwave, I blame busybox. Apr 25 11:04:19 hmm an hour til my flight, should get something to eat Apr 25 11:04:40 the lack of power outlets here is disturbing Apr 25 11:04:57 seems to be one BEHIND the fire extinguisher thou Apr 25 11:04:58 :D Apr 25 11:05:03 random though Apr 25 11:05:12 ahaaaaaa Apr 25 11:05:14 Don't unplug the fire extinguisher, that'd be a fire hazard! Apr 25 11:05:19 thanks frals - is working in python now! Apr 25 11:05:31 np! Apr 25 11:12:37 * Trizt tries to take a nap Apr 25 11:25:42 noobmonk3y, i realised its still wrong when used in a window with a title Apr 25 11:25:59 lol Apr 25 11:26:07 but its better than it was :p Apr 25 11:26:13 yeah :D works fine for me Apr 25 11:26:26 * lcuk nods Apr 25 11:26:37 frals, good luck Apr 25 11:26:51 :) Apr 25 11:27:17 VDVsx: you free tonight? fancy getting a coffee with me and timeless_mbp? Apr 25 11:27:40 * noobmonk3y wants a beer in helsinki.... sounds more fun then dinner at the gf's mums..... Apr 25 11:28:04 lol noobmonk3y :D Apr 25 11:28:44 frals, depends on the time :D, but probably yes Apr 25 11:29:28 VDVsx: im arriving at hel airport at ~16, then i have to get my luggage and get to radisson blu Apr 25 11:29:38 im sure you know how long that takes better than me :D Apr 25 11:30:25 frals, so you should arrive around 17h here (30min trip) Apr 25 11:30:55 17-18ish i guess, taking the airport bus to central station or whats it called and probably walking from there Apr 25 11:31:20 ah by bus, I always used taxi Apr 25 11:31:22 :D Apr 25 11:31:31 hehe Apr 25 11:32:26 2 asian ladies just sat down next to me Apr 25 11:32:34 betwee nthe two of them they got _9_ bags Apr 25 11:32:39 frals, central station has big heavy doors! Apr 25 11:32:46 frals: pass them a cup. Apr 25 11:32:57 lcuk: :D Apr 25 11:33:00 oh flight boarding Apr 25 11:33:02 yes asian ladies looking over frals shoulder - we are talking about you Apr 25 11:33:02 laters o/ Apr 25 11:33:05 \o Apr 25 11:33:06 wave Apr 25 11:33:29 lol Apr 25 11:33:33 ciao frals Apr 25 11:34:33 have a good flight Apr 25 11:35:28 what's happening in Helsinki that ppl are coming over here? Apr 25 11:35:39 or is it just frals? Apr 25 11:35:45 pillar_, free candies Apr 25 11:35:47 just frals Apr 25 11:35:51 hey folks Apr 25 11:35:56 VDVsx has been here for a while if not longer Apr 25 11:35:58 pillar_: maemo hq, :P Apr 25 11:36:01 * timeless_mbp has been here for 4 years Apr 25 11:36:33 Stskeeps: ah, alright Apr 25 11:36:39 * timeless_mbp supposes VDVsx is a finn and thus has been here for life Apr 25 11:36:40 poor guy Apr 25 11:36:52 timeless_mbp, where are you guys planning to go for coffee, or you didn't decided yet ? Apr 25 11:36:57 timeless_mbp, lol Apr 25 11:37:12 I live here for less than a month :D Apr 25 11:37:39 ooh its le:et! happy new leet :p Apr 25 11:37:51 here, anyway Apr 25 11:37:57 VDVsx: ok, that just makes you misguided :) Apr 25 11:37:59 hmmmmmmm Apr 25 11:38:02 we didn't pick a place Apr 25 11:38:05 * timeless_mbp ponders Apr 25 11:38:12 now that the snow gone, it's actually pretty nice here Apr 25 11:38:14 there's cafe java Apr 25 11:38:29 there are some fancier places along esplanad Apr 25 11:38:43 * timeless_mbp shrugs Apr 25 11:39:02 * MohammadAG suggests a Nokia Service Center Apr 25 11:39:07 there should be cafe Qt close to the hq :) Apr 25 11:39:15 "morning" everyone :) Apr 25 11:39:25 pillar: sadly oracle is in northern espoo Apr 25 11:39:31 * timeless_mbp is going there sometime this week Apr 25 11:39:33 hey MohammedAG Apr 25 11:39:35 hey mo! Apr 25 11:39:41 pillar_, they have to compile there own coffee there Apr 25 11:39:47 hehe Apr 25 11:39:52 timeless_mbp, I live near to the hotel where frals will be staying, so not far from here would be good :D Apr 25 11:39:56 * lcuk gets a nice cup of java Apr 25 11:40:06 hey Barttech & noobmonk3y Apr 25 11:40:10 :D :D Apr 25 11:40:14 * Barttech doesnt like coffee Apr 25 11:40:22 * MohammadAG hands lcuk some bacon Apr 25 11:40:30 \o/ Apr 25 11:40:36 wheres my bacon? :p Apr 25 11:40:43 * MohammadAG doesn't like coffee too Apr 25 11:40:49 * lcuk ate it Apr 25 11:40:55 sorry i'm out Apr 25 11:41:02 *gasp* Apr 25 11:41:19 * MohammadAG points at noobmonk3y Apr 25 11:41:30 you stole my bacon Icuk :( Apr 25 11:41:31 * noobmonk3y wants bacon :( Apr 25 11:41:42 Icuk - lol the apple version of lcuk ;) Apr 25 11:41:46 nice, i got the emergency exit right next to me Apr 25 11:41:50 I just ate, no need for bacon Apr 25 11:41:51 Barttech, you got the wrong guy, theres no icuk Apr 25 11:41:52 extra leg space! Apr 25 11:42:01 frals, ..... did they sit you in a fire engine instead of a plane? Apr 25 11:42:02 oh Apr 25 11:42:09 frals: score Apr 25 11:42:18 frals, they will give you the talk Apr 25 11:42:25 well im on my N900 :p so l, I, no diff to me :p Apr 25 11:42:30 and you can only sit there if you are over 14 Apr 25 11:42:34 VDVsx: you realize none of this is really >20mins walk Apr 25 11:42:34 so they will prolly move you Apr 25 11:42:38 frals: If you have to ditch, can you try to send a pic on the way down the slide? Apr 25 11:42:42 VDVsx: have you seen eat.fi? Apr 25 11:42:44 lol lcuk Apr 25 11:42:53 fu :) Apr 25 11:42:55 http://eat.fi/en/helsinki Apr 25 11:42:59 timeless_mbp, yes, I know that Apr 25 11:43:26 * SpeedEvil begins editing frals's obit for encyclopedia dramatica. Apr 25 11:43:27 omg its chloe and bill! Apr 25 11:43:39 * Barttech is watching 24 Apr 25 11:43:51 damnit Barttech Apr 25 11:44:02 we could do http://eat.fi/helsinki/gran-delicato-cafe i suppose Apr 25 11:44:03 what? :P Apr 25 11:44:12 but it'll close @6p, which is cutting it close Apr 25 11:44:12 its like season 3 :p Apr 25 11:44:24 maybe we should just do dinner instead of coffee Apr 25 11:45:06 theres the irish bar round the corner from vdvsx and the blu - they do coffees afaik Apr 25 11:45:08 timeless_mbp really wants dinner and not just coffee, hence his suggestion Apr 25 11:45:37 Termana: i could go for lunch now, i suppose Apr 25 11:45:40 or breakfast Apr 25 11:45:54 well you guys have fun with your coffee, bacontalk made me hungry so im gonna eat :p Apr 25 11:45:59 bye peeps! Apr 25 11:46:08 * MohammadAG gives timeless_mbp the rest of the bacon he has Apr 25 11:46:14 Barttech, order a bacon airstrike Apr 25 11:46:18 hahaha Apr 25 11:46:21 xD Apr 25 11:46:31 cya Barttech Apr 25 11:46:33 i dont have the authority to do that Apr 25 11:46:36 bb :) Apr 25 11:46:59 lies, he's just ordering it for himself Apr 25 11:47:30 i think everyone else on this flight knows eachother Apr 25 11:48:04 do you think if you sent rocket guided pig missile it would cook en route and explode in a mammoth flash of light and crackling? Apr 25 11:48:43 frals, they are just being nice - turn to the person next to you and chat Apr 25 11:48:53 :D Apr 25 11:48:56 lol Apr 25 11:49:25 judging by their convos they know each other or just like over sharing with stangers Apr 25 11:49:36 also none next to me :( Apr 25 11:49:56 http://metalab.at/wiki/Salami_Rocket Apr 25 11:50:04 timeless_mbp, dinner also works for me (stupid strike!!) :D Apr 25 11:50:04 frals, talk to yourself then! Apr 25 11:50:10 strike? Apr 25 11:50:28 SpeedEvil, nice Apr 25 11:50:29 dinner works for me as well Apr 25 11:52:51 timeless_mbp, yes, there's was a 3 days strike of the supermarket/groceries stores employees :D Apr 25 11:52:52 * MohammadAG takes a picture of the ground and sends it to frals "We wish you were here" :P Apr 25 11:53:20 VDVsx: hrm, do those guys do anything? Apr 25 11:53:24 * lcuk can hear the indiana jones music and a map showing frals gps location Apr 25 11:53:27 * timeless_mbp doesn't remember getting service in such places Apr 25 11:53:30 time to turn off the cellradio Apr 25 11:53:42 ciao o/ Apr 25 11:53:46 \o Apr 25 11:53:53 cya :) Apr 25 11:54:05 (why do we have to turn off cell radios?) Apr 25 11:54:24 timeless_mbp: VDVsx: ill sms you when i get to the hotel Apr 25 11:54:34 someone forget their N73 in online mode from take off till landing Apr 25 11:54:37 * DocScrutinizer blinks Apr 25 11:54:38 ok Apr 25 11:54:48 on a flight I was on Apr 25 11:55:16 MohammadAG, one of my mates realised his phone was on when he got an sms as we were coming into land Apr 25 11:55:35 timeless_mbp, they put the products in the shelfs, at least :D Apr 25 11:55:42 lcuk, I'll quote you on my next flight Apr 25 11:55:47 "It's safe" Apr 25 11:55:53 :| Apr 25 11:56:04 I think now days its just a safety measure, "just in case" Apr 25 11:56:15 * lcuk is a good passenger and turns off all electronics and tries to read deadtrees Apr 25 11:56:18 right Apr 25 11:56:43 you think you can ground a plane with a cellphone? c'mon Apr 25 11:57:02 lcuk, does overclocking affect plane's radios? Apr 25 11:57:05 :P Apr 25 11:57:08 MohammadAG: lol Apr 25 11:57:28 I heard somewhere that a transmitting phone at 10km could cause problems for some cell towers Apr 25 11:57:34 Don't know if that's true though. Apr 25 11:58:21 also a lie Apr 25 11:59:05 Ok, good to know :) Apr 25 11:59:27 its still an astute call to ban anytihng that can potentially intefere and an even better thing that no matter how right or wrong the rule is to follow guidance :p Apr 25 11:59:55 because its not the stewardess's who make the rules so why make their job harder by arguing :P Apr 25 12:00:05 DocScrutinizer: Who said anything about grounding the airplane - I thought it was to do with interference with onboard systems Apr 25 12:00:20 I'm absolutely sure it's more sensible to power down cellphones in your car, rather than in a plane Apr 25 12:01:08 Termana: that's what will finally ground a plane the hard way, otherwise they wouldn't care - right? Apr 25 12:01:11 The best thing about having to turn off the phones in a plane is that you don't have to listen to others babbling on the phone. Apr 25 12:01:20 +1 Apr 25 12:01:21 DocScrutinizer, so it's not a threat to keep it on? Apr 25 12:01:43 it's a threat to the steardess Apr 25 12:02:19 respect her authoritah Apr 25 12:02:27 lol Apr 25 12:02:40 some airlines are starting to implement micro-bts to their planes and allow usage of all cellphones during flight Apr 25 12:03:45 they wouldn't do if they were afraid their planes weren't tested thoroughly to withstand all cellphone radiation without adverse effects Apr 25 12:04:02 I wonder what would happen if I turn on JoikuSpot and everyone connects on the same plane Apr 25 12:04:13 nothing Apr 25 12:06:23 frals's still here Apr 25 12:06:35 wonder if he has a bouncer or something Apr 25 12:07:53 he is currently being pounced on by 4 athletic stewardesses and put into a thigh grip headlock for leaving his cell radio on Apr 25 12:08:01 takes a while till kick due to no ping Apr 25 12:08:25 his last irc message is pending transmission "arghhhhh" Apr 25 12:11:42 The theory with the microbts is that the phones will be whsipering to reach the bts instead of screaming through the aluminium shell and 10km to ground :) Apr 25 12:12:08 stewardesses decide based on a solid ignorance about which devices they allow during flight and which they ask really harsh to switch off. Apr 25 12:12:57 ShadowJK: that's basically true, but GSM negotiation always done with maximum power :-P Apr 25 12:13:11 Ryanair bans all gadgets, probably so they don't have to keep up with what gadgets radiate and what gadgets dont radiate :D Apr 25 12:14:24 lcuk: plane has to take that sort of interferences Apr 25 12:14:50 sure Apr 25 12:14:51 lcuk: because if you have 300 people on a plane at least one will forget to switch of his phone Apr 25 12:15:43 and during stat/landing you get 100.000 times stronger RF from the outside, from BTS and directed transmissions Apr 25 12:15:45 and if 50 people hear that phone getting a message it will spark similar debate Apr 25 12:16:05 which having spooked passengers is the part that is not welcome Apr 25 12:16:30 i think that's just to show passengers that they care Apr 25 12:16:32 I would have thought that GSM phones inside would cause bigger blips than a BTS outside Apr 25 12:16:33 switch to silent Apr 25 12:16:44 lol spooked passengers Apr 25 12:16:54 those passengers would have to be asshat idiots with an IQ of 40 Apr 25 12:17:08 ShadowJK: but all the antennae are outside :-P Apr 25 12:17:31 oooh. Apr 25 12:17:33 It's the wires running from front of airplane to the back of airplane I'd worry about :) Apr 25 12:17:36 That would be a fun app. Apr 25 12:17:39 A honeypot Apr 25 12:17:46 fake paypal, bank websites, ... Apr 25 12:19:41 ShadowJK: fly-by-wire you bet is much harder than that Apr 25 12:19:53 err hardeneder? Apr 25 12:19:59 DocScrutinizer: it's ethernet based Apr 25 12:20:00 I ordered a desktop charger on 1/4, still haven't received it Apr 25 12:20:28 ShadowJK: if your cellphone doesn't cause your intel cpu to make millions of errors in a second, it surely won't interefere with big control signals on a plane Apr 25 12:20:31 and ethernet is quite protected against external interferences Apr 25 12:21:05 redeeman, actually it crashes my laptop Apr 25 12:21:08 ;P Apr 25 12:21:21 i don't believe that, atleast not from the radiation Apr 25 12:21:23 my beloved only laptop, PS/Note :( Apr 25 12:21:40 let me put it this way: a plane you could cause serious trouble with a cellphone on it never would get FIAA or any other cert Apr 25 12:22:14 its obvious Apr 25 12:22:26 otherwise people could just beam 1800mhz radiation at planes to crash them Apr 25 12:22:36 exactly Apr 25 12:22:36 You can! Apr 25 12:22:36 and obviously that does not happen Apr 25 12:22:56 SpeedEvil: sure, if you transmit at several yottawatts Apr 25 12:22:59 You just have to melt the wings off, and the plane will crash. This is a serious vulnerability to microwave radiation. Apr 25 12:22:59 SpeedEvil: yes, milttary does - at peak levels in GW Apr 25 12:23:01 but good luck doing that Apr 25 12:23:35 I wonder if using a 200mW laser + a magnifying glass would bring down the motor Apr 25 12:23:36 redeeman, do you actually use these arguments on the plane yourself ? Apr 25 12:23:49 i just tell them i turn the radio off Apr 25 12:24:04 and then when i leave i tell "whoops forgot to turn radio off.. we didn't crash..." Apr 25 12:24:43 i would accidentally move the boarding tunnel as you were getting off for that remark Apr 25 12:24:53 yeah right, you just try Apr 25 12:25:12 Also - I suspect not complyin with the request is a terrorist act. Apr 25 12:25:23 Or will be seen as one by some. Apr 25 12:25:24 It'd be more effective to radiate in 108-130MHz near airports in fog ;) Apr 25 12:25:27 SpeedEvil: possibly, but im also a terrorist for a variety of other reasons, one more won't hurt Apr 25 12:25:30 not really, they would just remove you from the flight Apr 25 12:25:35 as is prolonged shitting Apr 25 12:25:51 "remove" you Apr 25 12:25:55 sounds weird lol Apr 25 12:26:12 lcuk: and then i'd threaten with beaming a few hundred watts of 1800mhz radio against the plane as it flies Apr 25 12:26:16 :) Apr 25 12:26:20 its quite easy, their flight, their plane, their rules Apr 25 12:26:47 but that's why i don't really fly Apr 25 12:26:51 * MohammadAG_ remembers the PlayStaion Home ad Apr 25 12:26:54 the fucking airlines are just not worth it Apr 25 12:28:01 cmon guys, all airlines I've seen so far allow laptop usage. Start to think... Apr 25 12:28:23 yeah then just notify them "whoops, my eee has mobile broadband, guess i forgot that!!" Apr 25 12:36:57 honestly it's much more hazardous to have an enabled cellphone around when you refuel your car, or just driving same car (airbag!), than in an airplane that's really thoroughly tested Apr 25 12:38:55 yeah Apr 25 12:39:03 having a cellphone switched on in a prius is suicide Apr 25 12:39:09 but it's not really because of the cellphone Apr 25 12:39:26 * MohammadAG is off to be a terrorist on a plane Apr 25 12:39:37 1. switch on phone Apr 25 12:39:42 2. get hostages Apr 25 12:39:44 * Corsac logs to the NSA Apr 25 12:39:53 3. battery runs out, I'm f'd Apr 25 12:40:59 you're f'd no matter what you do, when you start that action ;-P Apr 25 12:41:53 DocScrutinizer, we've all seen bank getting robbed with fake guns so... :) Apr 25 12:41:54 It's amusing how those allegedly out of control toyotas showed no wear on the brake pads :P Apr 25 12:42:36 And you know, if you drive way too fast in a curve, and the rear starts sliding, you're SUPPOSED to get slammed into a tree if you slam the brakes or floor the accelerator ;p Apr 25 12:42:40 I have to admit I got on a prius and got out alive Apr 25 12:42:41 MohammadAG: terrorist game is a lose/lose game by definition, both sides can only chose to bet higher Apr 25 12:43:04 DocScrutinizer, it worked well in Modern Warfare 2 Apr 25 12:43:05 :P Apr 25 12:43:19 (PS3 game, if you don't know it :P) Apr 25 12:47:12 the only reason a person might decide to go terrorist path is either depp desparation, or 70 virgins (which both is pathological) Apr 25 12:47:52 hm Apr 25 12:47:59 i once tried installing mksh Apr 25 12:48:03 it failed Apr 25 12:48:14 and now i cannot even uninstall it Apr 25 12:49:24 mksh?? Apr 25 12:50:46 MohammadAG: You mean, you are not even gonna get to the point of killing hostages slowly, one by one, throwing their cooling corpses off the plane? Apr 25 12:52:56 'jump out that door now, or I'll ssh you with my phone' XP Apr 25 12:53:45 is there a chance tweego crash report will include my password in amongst its info Apr 25 12:54:30 what is tweego? Apr 25 12:55:18 iirc a twitter client Apr 25 12:55:38 but generally speaking each coredump may contain all the info the crashing app was holding Apr 25 12:56:29 it most likely does Apr 25 12:56:42 wow wlan here is flaky Apr 25 12:57:38 remind me to add a "never download mms" mode in fmms, being charged 3€ per mb here lol Apr 25 12:58:08 muhahaha Apr 25 12:58:11 haha Apr 25 12:58:11 hey, how can i add an escape chat to my keyboard? Apr 25 12:58:28 chat == char Apr 25 12:58:42 Soldering iron. Apr 25 12:58:59 well, no hardware-side hacking =p Apr 25 12:59:14 RST38h, nope, battery wouldn't last me that long Apr 25 12:59:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters Apr 25 12:59:27 thanks :) Apr 25 12:59:38 MohammadAG: You can use other tools for that Apr 25 12:59:48 cause i think about making an SSH server with X11Forwarding so that my N900 will not need as many apps Apr 25 13:01:03 frals: here = @HEL? Apr 25 13:01:07 btw, the enter key is named "KP_Enter" ;/ Apr 25 13:01:16 welcome to _ground_ :) Apr 25 13:02:18 frals: and what you want is "don't download while roaming" Apr 25 13:02:57 I'd want a "don't use packet data while roaming" that can tell the difference between Virtual Operators and real roaming ;p Apr 25 13:08:04 mikki-kun: that's going to be slow as hell, and suck donkey balls Apr 25 13:18:45 crashanddie: what will be slow? X11 forwarding? no, not really tbh... it does work pretty nice in my network at least Apr 25 13:19:15 on the road though... that's a different story... Apr 25 13:25:42 has someone managed to get x2x clipboard sharing working? Apr 25 13:25:51 I'd really need it... Apr 25 13:28:12 humm. now it seems to work Apr 25 13:28:53 ah, but only from the n900 to the desktop. not the other way around. If I select some text on the n900 using my mouse it gets copied and I can paste it on my desktop. the other way around, nothing gets pasted. Apr 25 13:29:44 I'm guessing this is most likely because of the fact that neither middle-click on the mouse nor shift-insert do anything on the n900. Apr 25 13:29:45 Shapeshifter: you're aware there are always 2 copybuffers Apr 25 13:29:52 X and clipboard Apr 25 13:29:59 yes Apr 25 13:31:48 DocScrutinizer: but from the desktop to the n900, both don't work. if I select something on my desktop (X clipboard) and shift-insert/middleclick on the n900, nothing happens. Same if I ctrl-c something on my desktop (e.g. text in the browser) and then ctrl-v on the n900 (e.g. IM window). actually, the latter pastes into the IM window whatever I copied last on the n900 itself Apr 25 13:32:23 hmm Apr 25 13:32:29 copied as in ctrl-c on the n900 Apr 25 13:32:56 mh. I miss xev on the n900... Apr 25 13:33:26 Shapeshifter: ssh -X from n900 to desktop Apr 25 13:33:33 xev Apr 25 13:34:26 SpeedEvil: oha! Apr 25 13:35:10 or firefox Apr 25 13:35:13 too bad it's fullscreen ;) and no pointer. I wonder how I can make the pointer show all the time. I got it to show up occasionally, and always when I'm in IM for example. Apr 25 13:35:21 turn powersaving off before running apps with a GUI Apr 25 13:35:35 firefox with powersaving on is painful Apr 25 13:35:37 hmhm, picture viewer seems to choke when there are too much large pictures Apr 25 13:36:21 SpeedEvil: where do I turn powersaving off? Apr 25 13:36:43 lmao "Sargeant, it's cold" "Cold eh? I know what'll warm you up, 200 push ups" Apr 25 13:36:43 Shapeshifter: In the internet connection setup Apr 25 13:36:51 or iwconfig wlan0 power off Apr 25 13:36:52 IIRC Apr 25 13:37:13 SpeedEvil: thanks Apr 25 13:37:35 Corsac, like how too much largneness are we talking? Apr 25 13:37:53 hmhm, few megs, pictures taken by my eos 350d Apr 25 13:38:49 -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 2.4M Mar 28 06:46 IMG_5148.JPG Apr 25 13:39:03 find . -name '*.JPG' | wc -l Apr 25 13:39:03 1252 Apr 25 13:41:05 Is there a builtin GUI closed app that doesn't suck? Apr 25 13:41:35 windows xp wasnt bad Apr 25 13:41:53 Clock sucks, calendar sucks, blocks has problems, camera has problems, photos has problems, calculator is sort-of-ok, but clunky Apr 25 13:42:14 * ShadowJK finds clock and calendar functional Apr 25 13:42:30 microb is mostly okay. Apr 25 13:42:32 is there any piece of software open or closed which doesn't suck? Apr 25 13:42:53 lcuk, not entirely, no :P Apr 25 13:42:53 clock annoys me by not having a nice fullscreen mode - see flipclock - and the alarm managment blowing goats. Apr 25 13:42:59 or rather, any piece of software open or closed that manages to make everyone happy Apr 25 13:43:17 i adore the alarm management Apr 25 13:43:25 calendar by not supporting arbitrary minutes, and the date-setting being designed by someone who heard about the gregorian calendar once, when very, very drunk. Apr 25 13:43:29 having historical alarms to just tick back on is genius Apr 25 13:44:35 lcuk: MC does not suck. Apr 25 13:44:52 maybe not for you Apr 25 13:44:52 lcuk: yes - that is a nice feature - however - I click 'new alarm' - I want immediately to be presented with a UI to set the time of the alarm. Apr 25 13:44:55 mhh, what WM does the n900 use, btw? Apr 25 13:44:57 lcuk: Obviously, none of my stuff sucks, and if you say the opposite, you suck =) Apr 25 13:45:00 matchbox I heard? Apr 25 13:45:03 heh Apr 25 13:45:34 SpeedEvil, damned if they do, damned if they dont Apr 25 13:45:49 lcuk: It takes something like 10 touches to set an alarm for 1:50PM say Apr 25 13:46:14 at least they are touches and you dont need stylus to do it Apr 25 13:46:16 try it on the 810 Apr 25 13:46:16 Don't you like touching your tablet tough, Speedevil? Apr 25 13:46:27 And why do alarms get 1 min granularity - but clock gets 5 min? Apr 25 13:46:28 Took less on the n810 Apr 25 13:46:30 afaik everything is on one screen there Apr 25 13:46:33 and very fiddly Apr 25 13:46:55 I just keep the old alarms around and reactivate them Apr 25 13:46:59 * ShadowJK has about 3 Apr 25 13:47:04 so, its 1 click! Apr 25 13:47:20 i have a scrolling list of all the times ive need to get up ever i think Apr 25 13:47:40 I have a different problem Apr 25 13:47:45 this one time I hit snooze for 4 hours Apr 25 13:47:47 what *does* frustrate me is the list isnt ordered as expected Apr 25 13:48:15 lcuk: yes - that can work well Apr 25 13:48:20 N900 needs to have a servoactuated arm to throw me out of bed :/ Apr 25 13:49:13 ShadowJK: echo 23249235495>/sys/class/led/vibrator Apr 25 13:49:21 lol Apr 25 13:49:31 SpeedEvil, thats wrong Apr 25 13:49:35 thats the hammer option Apr 25 13:49:37 not the servo Apr 25 13:51:52 that's a syntax error Apr 25 13:52:38 I know it's not the proper path, I decidd against looking it up. Apr 25 13:52:40 echo won't stream a cr/nl to FD 23249235495 Apr 25 13:52:53 yes it will Apr 25 13:52:57 oh Apr 25 13:55:42 * DocScrutinizer throws a ' ' at SpeedEvil Apr 25 13:55:43 Mh. Does someone know where to get a list of these names used in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51? For example I'd like to replace an fn+something character, which is "ç" on my keyboard. I see in that file that it is called ccedilla/Ccedilla. I'd like to replace it with "|". no idea how this vertical line is called. I tried looking in /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB but this doesn't seem to be the right place. Apr 25 13:57:06 I'd also need "¨". Apr 25 13:57:31 Shapeshifter: http://qkwv.com/pipe.jpg Apr 25 13:57:55 SpeedEvil: well I know it's a pipe symbol. is it called pipe? ;) Apr 25 13:58:15 hmm Apr 25 13:58:17 pipe is called "bar" Apr 25 13:58:25 look at the pipe symbol on your pxc Apr 25 13:58:38 SpeedEvil: ah good idea Apr 25 13:58:46 state 0x1, keycode 51 (keysym 0x7c, bar), same_screen YES, Apr 25 13:58:46 XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (7c) "|" Apr 25 13:58:47 XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (7c) "|" Apr 25 13:58:48 I switched "sterling" to "bar", and got pipe. Apr 25 13:59:05 thanks! Apr 25 13:59:28 I guess "%" is "percent"? Apr 25 13:59:38 Tehre is a keysym editor I thought in extras-devel Apr 25 13:59:55 well, here's enough of for all of you ;-) Apr 25 14:00:15 ah yeah xev works perfectly for looking up this stuff. Apr 25 14:00:18 SpeedEvil: thanks Apr 25 14:01:07 :) Apr 25 14:02:15 keysym editor would be mad usefull Apr 25 14:02:37 woot it worked Apr 25 14:02:48 * DocScrutinizer hugs his new shiny qwerty kbd Apr 25 14:02:58 mh. but I wonder why there's four entries for each key. the last one doesn't seem to work Apr 25 14:03:21 last one is shift-ctrl or sth Apr 25 14:04:09 hm, is it smart to change ctrl and fn? Apr 25 14:04:53 errr, 42 Apr 25 14:05:49 well, at least some answer :D Apr 25 14:06:17 DocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to work. e.g. the stock rx-51 file has: key { \[udiaeresis,Udiaeresis,egrave,Egrave ] }; indicating that one is é and the other É. but none of ctrl-shift-ö fn-shift-ö or ctrl-fn-ö yield it. Apr 25 14:06:33 ü rather Apr 25 14:07:22 probably ALT, and N900 kbd is missing alt-key as we all know Apr 25 14:07:28 ah yes. Apr 25 14:07:31 or alt-gr Apr 25 14:07:40 alt-gr is FN Apr 25 14:10:47 http://maemo.org/packages/view/ukeyboard/ Apr 25 14:10:49 ah Apr 25 14:10:53 not quite what I recalled Apr 25 14:12:30 did frals arrive at the seaside? Apr 25 14:13:27 man xkbcomp might be a good starting point Apr 25 14:14:22 timeless_mbp, he langed just over hour ago, mentioned he was getting bus then walking from central Apr 25 14:14:35 landed too Apr 25 14:15:01 yeah, i know he landed Apr 25 14:15:59 hi, when I go to scratch box and type "sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL", I get "Hangup; tset: unknown terminal type xterm" Apr 25 14:15:59 btw I wonder if they'll ever fix this irritating behaviour in X Terminal, where some characters (multibyte?) which only take one space get registered as two (or something...) and when you erase them you have to erase two characters for it to pick it up. Apr 25 14:16:14 man keymaps Apr 25 14:16:33 what is the initial terminal in scratchbox? Apr 25 14:18:38 and of course man xmodmap Apr 25 14:18:55 enough of captain obvious Apr 25 14:20:01 keyboard symbols can be dangerous. Apr 25 14:20:10 http://xkcd.com/380/ Especially some unicode ones. Apr 25 14:21:36 anybody got the error :"tset: unknown terminal type xterm" or is it only me? Apr 25 14:26:49 a PR1.2 release date thread Apr 25 14:28:25 oh the hong kong stuff Apr 25 14:28:26 nvm Apr 25 14:28:37 n900_user, never got it Apr 25 14:28:42 timeless_mbp: just checked in Apr 25 14:28:52 wb frals Apr 25 14:29:40 ack Apr 25 14:31:03 timeless_mbp: im gonna shower and unpack, how long does it take you to get to radison blue seaside? Apr 25 14:31:41 mh. this is odd. I'm using the Swiss layout, and I replaced include "nokia_vndr/rx-51(arrows_2btns)" with the 4btns counterpart. Then, I uncommented the two keys that are extra in the Swiss keyboard layout ( //key and //key ) and changed the 4btns layout at the end of the file to include Home/End/Pg_Up/Pg_Down when pressing shift. Everything else I did works, however if I press shift+an arrow, stuff like this appears: 2A ... Apr 25 14:31:47 ... 2D 2B 2C. Apr 25 14:31:58 ~15min Apr 25 14:32:12 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50994 :-/ Apr 25 14:32:59 timeless_mbp: meet in the lobby here in ~30min? Apr 25 14:33:07 ok Apr 25 14:33:52 do you have vdvsx cell# so we can grab him somewhere as well? he was in centre somewhere he said Apr 25 14:34:05 ah nevermind. forgot to change the "PC_FN_LEVEL2" bit Apr 25 14:34:30 does anybody have any experience with scratchbox on amd64? Apr 25 14:35:39 * timeless_mbp wonders what provides aclocal Apr 25 14:35:58 autotools Apr 25 14:36:24 authconfig.spec autoconf.spec autoconf213.spec automake.spec automake14.spec automake17.spec autotrace.spec m4.spec Apr 25 14:36:26 which? Apr 25 14:39:12 * Shapeshifter likes his new keymap :) Apr 25 14:39:37 automake Apr 25 14:39:40 timeless_mbp: Apr 25 14:41:37 * timeless_mbp is building it now Apr 25 14:42:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard >>Just noticed that this makes N900 drain battery !!! (N900 was shutdown in the morning). After executing this maemo-xinput-sounds takes >90% of cpu time. Killing the process will be a temporary fix; I'll look for better solution...<< HEH? o.O Apr 25 14:45:25 * timeless_mbp heads out Apr 25 14:45:26 yeah I saw that. I wonder what he means to say Apr 25 14:45:52 seems very unrelated Apr 25 14:45:57 yep Apr 25 14:48:25 Shapeshifter: he meant to say "I'm an idiot who confuses correlation and causation" Apr 25 14:48:55 lol Apr 25 14:49:07 DocScrutinizer: docz! Apr 25 14:49:18 I think what its saying (in context) is that when you execute the script below, for some reason maemo-xinput-sounds will hog the CPU. The only way to stop it is to kill the maemo-xinput-sounds process Apr 25 14:49:19 rasterman Apr 25 14:49:21 Ooh, pipes on the hardkeys Apr 25 14:49:23 :-) Apr 25 14:49:27 Sweet Apr 25 14:49:32 any way to make ^I persistent in browser? pita to have to pop the kb and hit it every time i open a new window Apr 25 14:49:41 DocScrutinizer: wassap! Apr 25 14:50:02 raster: noting really new here Apr 25 14:50:09 boo Apr 25 14:50:09 got my N900 back Apr 25 14:50:09 raster, Is your N900 still behaving badly - unexplained reboots, etc? Apr 25 14:50:23 Where did your N900 go? Apr 25 14:50:38 Repair centre? Apr 25 14:50:45 Ken-Young: n900 has been relegated to glorified wifi tablet plugged in all day. it briked itself while iw as travelling Apr 25 14:50:49 i dont trust it Apr 25 14:50:52 Or did you plug it into an Arduino with an RC car attached Apr 25 14:51:04 somehow i managed to magically resurrect it with enough tries and a full reflash Apr 25 14:51:10 haha Apr 25 14:51:24 a few aborted half-reflahses that failed part-way Apr 25 14:51:26 damn that sucks Apr 25 14:51:33 etc. Apr 25 14:51:38 i was using it day to day Apr 25 14:51:40 but i stopped Apr 25 14:51:47 mine has been working like a champ Apr 25 14:51:50 it makes the freerunner look stable and solid Apr 25 14:51:53 :) Apr 25 14:51:55 I'm hoping mine doesn't need returning, apparently the reason the "phone" bit stopped working was that my IMEI has been banned Apr 25 14:52:08 but i did build efl for it Apr 25 14:52:10 did some testing Apr 25 14:52:15 your imei was banned?? Apr 25 14:52:15 reported some gl-es bugs to nokia Apr 25 14:52:20 wtf? Apr 25 14:52:27 awilkins: wtf? Apr 25 14:52:32 raster, Sorry you got a lemon. I've have no problems at all with mine. Not a single spontaneous reboot, in 5+ months. Apr 25 14:52:52 Ken-Young: as i said... lemon device for me Apr 25 14:52:58 got very little good to say about it Apr 25 14:53:02 I suspect someone mistyped an IMEI from another phone into a lost or stolen form Apr 25 14:53:02 raster: did you get it from tigerdirect Apr 25 14:53:04 performance is pretty poor too Apr 25 14:53:12 they usually have subpar studd Apr 25 14:53:14 mostly due to nokia's gl-es implementation Apr 25 14:53:18 stuf Apr 25 14:53:26 Macer: no - from Ken-Young Apr 25 14:53:27 :) Apr 25 14:53:33 I've done everything including a squeaky-clean bleached-bones reinstall of OS + eMMC Apr 25 14:53:39 really? Apr 25 14:53:48 cold blooded Apr 25 14:53:49 Macer, Yup. Apr 25 14:53:50 haha Apr 25 14:53:51 i might try it again Apr 25 14:53:53 one day Apr 25 14:53:59 but i have been too busy of late Apr 25 14:54:02 you sold him a lemon? Apr 25 14:54:03 The syslogs say the phone is reading the SIM card (IMSI number and everything) so it's not the SIM which works in my other phone. Apr 25 14:54:07 hahaha Apr 25 14:54:11 i did use it to make sure efl work son it Apr 25 14:54:12 as i said Apr 25 14:54:17 has bugs in the gl-es libs Apr 25 14:54:25 Macer, I didn't mean to. I just bought one from Amazon for him. Apr 25 14:54:25 actual rendering issues and performance issues Apr 25 14:54:32 oh Apr 25 14:54:34 nokia says thhey will not fix the perf issues Apr 25 14:54:51 send it back Apr 25 14:54:58 raster: probably they simply can't Apr 25 14:55:05 should have gotten it from dell or something Apr 25 14:55:18 amazon is just ebay without bidding Apr 25 14:55:22 I'd guess gl-es libs are from 3rd party Apr 25 14:55:26 DocScrutinizer: they can. they don't want to. Apr 25 14:55:36 i know nokia has the source to the libs Apr 25 14:55:44 they can - they just won't. Apr 25 14:56:03 source doesn't help if you don't have the competence inhouse. See calypso ;-P Apr 25 14:56:16 they ADDED extensions to it Apr 25 14:56:18 or glamo Apr 25 14:56:18 raster: upgrading a gles lib in maintaince mode sounds a bit dangerous Apr 25 14:56:18 :P Apr 25 14:56:27 a partial buffer flip and added compositing and xorg support Apr 25 14:56:31 they have the competence Apr 25 14:56:32 they won't Apr 25 14:56:40 (until maemo6) Apr 25 14:56:52 xorg support? Apr 25 14:56:52 :P Apr 25 14:57:02 Stskeeps: not if its tested. it already needs upgrading due to bugs anyway Apr 25 14:57:05 Will there every be a Maemo 6 or is that just going to be Meego 1? Apr 25 14:57:05 and its not an upgrade Apr 25 14:57:18 its actual internal fixes at the driver leevel Apr 25 14:57:22 awilkins: maemo6 will be branded meego for some godawful reason, but it's not meego 1.0 Apr 25 14:57:23 they dont do vsynced swaps Apr 25 14:57:28 awilkins, it will be Maemo6, but Maemo6 will be a forbidden word, so it'll be called MeeGo Apr 25 14:57:48 Sounds like the Jar Jar Binks of OSs Apr 25 14:57:51 meego (maemo edition) Apr 25 14:57:51 they do excess copies they can avoid - meaning for a gl app you will pay a chunky peerformance penalty Apr 25 14:58:00 "MeeGo make a phone call nowsa" Apr 25 14:58:18 nowsea Apr 25 14:58:28 I'm relieved they atleast avoided a few extra copies in Xvideo :D Apr 25 14:58:35 Although Xvideo in itself is an extra copy :( Apr 25 14:58:40 and then there are the rendering bugs themselves. dont know the status on that. bug filed.havent heard any movement on the bug of late :) Apr 25 14:59:21 hmm Apr 25 14:59:23 raster: the public bugtrac isn't what they use internally Apr 25 14:59:31 wonder what timeless looks like Apr 25 14:59:42 frals: have a good flight? Apr 25 14:59:46 :D Apr 25 15:00:01 aye was 15min early even Apr 25 15:00:14 and no handcuffs Apr 25 15:00:58 DocScrutinizer: well i got initial responses Apr 25 15:01:08 but no movement since Apr 25 15:01:14 so either its not done yet - no updates Apr 25 15:01:29 or there is one and they didnt notify the bug submitors of it Apr 25 15:01:35 dont know Apr 25 15:01:39 i've been away for a month Apr 25 15:01:45 just got back on friday Apr 25 15:01:54 heh, where? Apr 25 15:01:56 stuck in europe? Apr 25 15:01:57 :P Apr 25 15:01:58 n900 has been a dust magnet on my desk while i was away Apr 25 15:02:04 hahaha no no Apr 25 15:02:06 asia Apr 25 15:02:13 aah as usual Apr 25 15:02:17 au -> sg -> kr -> jp -> sg -> au Apr 25 15:02:31 jp? nice Apr 25 15:02:48 mere leisure? Apr 25 15:02:59 the jp part Apr 25 15:04:35 DocScrutinizer: reason for going - work, but i threw in some extra destinations along the way Apr 25 15:04:41 and yeah jp was leisure Apr 25 15:04:41 so, when disabling wlan power saving, the rear left of the n900 getting hot is normal, right? Apr 25 15:05:07 Yeah N900 would get hot without wlan powersaving Apr 25 15:06:38 why disable it? Apr 25 15:06:51 Wifi power saving is annoying Apr 25 15:06:56 stops it accepting new incomming connections :\ Apr 25 15:10:06 It does? I've not had any trouble getting SSH connections into it Apr 25 15:10:37 I've been doing all my file transfer via SSH Apr 25 15:15:10 I've noticed xchat lags of up to 60 sec, probably sometimes more Apr 25 15:15:28 no idea if it's related to wifi powersaving Apr 25 15:16:01 never lags for me Apr 25 15:16:19 I'm doing a rundown test - with wlan active Apr 25 15:16:55 24h on ~18% battery Apr 25 15:16:56 both PC & N900 on same router-AP, same freenode server -> PC shows some highlight... (60sec later) N900 yells Apr 25 15:17:44 I'm absolutely sure this depends on AP as much as on N900 wifi settings Apr 25 15:18:25 yeah, I have no problems with my APs and PSM Apr 25 15:18:45 got a "Level One" cheapAP and a Linksys WRT45GL Apr 25 15:19:13 ssh (with pubkey) sometimes lags some seconds, sometime it's instantly (login that is) Apr 25 15:19:37 ssh login is always slow here. Apr 25 15:19:59 yeah, but there's slow and sloooooow Apr 25 15:21:16 freakin shit, my .ssh got nuked as well Apr 25 15:21:34 by what? Apr 25 15:21:43 actually it's kinda PITA to *completely* restore a device Apr 25 15:21:52 Shapeshifter: repair shop Apr 25 15:21:58 ah Apr 25 15:22:02 anyone using vikuiti protector? cant seem to apply without bubbles... Apr 25 15:22:20 opdf2: don't worry about it Apr 25 15:22:24 opdf2: I have a cleartec and it doesn't stick well, and it's also scratched already. Apr 25 15:22:30 opdf2: bubbles go in a couple of days Apr 25 15:22:41 opdf2: unless there is a solid object underneath them Apr 25 15:22:49 if not caused by dust Apr 25 15:22:53 opdf2, I have two bubbles, but both are outside the actual display area so I decided to go with that instead of using the second of the 3 I ordered :P Apr 25 15:23:29 SpeedEvil: okay so the problem will fix it self. cool Apr 25 15:24:06 ShadowJK: can u only apply once? Apr 25 15:24:20 ok Apr 25 15:24:22 sleepies Apr 25 15:24:35 I got http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180443766610&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT Apr 25 15:24:37 Anyone know if theres a way to disable wifi power saving when charging? Apr 25 15:24:40 opdf2, the part I tried to reapply gathered so much dust and similar it was worse than before :P Apr 25 15:24:40 which works for me Apr 25 15:24:55 ShadowJK: i see Apr 25 15:25:01 raster: n8 Apr 25 15:25:02 Which works for me Apr 25 15:25:30 opdf2, the location I touched the bottom of it to peel it off never stuck to the screen again :P Apr 25 15:25:36 PhonicUK: I guess you can listen for the dbus signal of the charger plugging in and then run iwconfig power off or something like that Apr 25 15:25:39 raster: beware of wombats Apr 25 15:25:42 ShadowJK: duct tape Apr 25 15:25:53 Shapeshifter, I'd have to go and write a daemon then :\ Apr 25 15:25:54 SpeedEvil, it's only a tiny spot :P Apr 25 15:26:09 ShadowJK: okay i'll be careful to not touch the sticky part Apr 25 15:26:37 PhonicUK: a general purpose dbus listening->action dbus daemon would be nice. Apr 25 15:26:49 aye Apr 25 15:27:14 I first take off the case, and _thouroughly_ clean the device, wash hands, arms, and put on a dust-free t-shirt - brush hair - or tie back. Apr 25 15:27:32 PhonicUK: check 'dbus python scripting' app Apr 25 15:27:47 Then clean with a old t-shirt - slightly dampened - to get it as clean as I can - then I use the cloth supplied Apr 25 15:27:57 I was rather hoping there was already a way to do it, otherwise its not worth the time Apr 25 15:28:58 SpeedEvil: don't forget to do the whole procedure in a foggy bathroom :-) Apr 25 15:29:28 helps a lot to avoid flying dust Apr 25 15:30:07 that too Apr 25 15:31:23 breathing on the surface - the condensation evaporating can help you see spots you'd miss normally Apr 25 15:31:28 i'd do it underwater just to be save Apr 25 15:31:47 * Disconnect is a huge fan of invisishields. (disclaimer, i also have an affiliate link ;) ..) Apr 25 15:32:07 why i would need something like that Apr 25 15:32:11 DocScrutinizer: good idea i'll steam the bathroom Apr 25 15:32:14 Disconnect: I find them way to sticky Apr 25 15:32:19 rubbery Apr 25 15:32:31 so lets sum up vikurtii (or whatever), special clothing, time, nervous breakdown, medical treatment -> not worth it, you get a new touchscreen for ~60bucks iirc Apr 25 15:32:33 how much something like that costs? Apr 25 15:32:51 DocScrutinizer: exactly Apr 25 15:33:09 DocScrutinizer: speaking personally, I would have destroyed my touchscreen twice already Apr 25 15:33:14 mh maybe I should get one while they're still around Apr 25 15:33:16 DocScrutinizer: and insurance excess is even cheaper Apr 25 15:33:20 a touch screen I mean. Apr 25 15:33:39 Shapeshifter: on my g1 i had issues with the shape (they tried to fold lots of complicated corners around curves and it never stuck) but left it on the screen - the smooth-glass feel it had before (and the way it picked up grease) pissed me off, the invisishield was a nice texture change Apr 25 15:33:44 i have like £30 insurance excess for new phone Apr 25 15:33:54 on the n900 i have one coming, haven't tried it yet. should arrive tomorrow actually. Apr 25 15:34:15 Shapeshifter, Yes, I found the thing really stick and such a pain to put on. And the first day it looks like ass. Apr 25 15:34:16 Disconnect: how much does it cost? Apr 25 15:34:44 But the second day... it's almost like having the original screen back. Only bouncier. Apr 25 15:34:47 i like the feel of teh screen w/o so we'll see. but it will protect it against (minor) scratches and such, have used it on a few resistive devices before Apr 25 15:35:25 jacekowski: its usually about $20USD for a full device or $10USD for just the screen. my macbook cover was $45USD or some such, but they've already swapped it free twice (discoloration and fading from heat and use) Apr 25 15:35:39 Why couldn't they have made a capacitive touchscreen with a fused sapphire glass :-P Apr 25 15:35:53 And a lilypad finish to dispel grease and dirt :-) Apr 25 15:35:56 awilkins: take a look at gorilla glass screens. they basically did.. Apr 25 15:36:00 awilkins: because resistive screens are teh awesome. Apr 25 15:36:24 Disconnect: well, that's about how much i would have to pay for my insurance excess to get new phone Apr 25 15:36:27 Shapeshifter, I've not had a capacitive device, why are the resistive ones reckoned to be better? Apr 25 15:36:31 and capacitive sucks Apr 25 15:36:34 I want SAW, not capacitive Apr 25 15:36:41 SAW + diamond = win Apr 25 15:36:50 (surface accoustic wave) Apr 25 15:36:51 SpeedEvil: ack Apr 25 15:37:00 awilkins: resistive is more accurate. some say the life time is also higher (although I doubt anyone would care= Apr 25 15:37:26 awilkins: resistive is precise and uses any blunt object (eg styli) .. capacitive works through covers/etc w/o loss of precision, but is a little more 'vague'. and a lot more durable ('covers' often include a nearly indestructable glass sheet) Apr 25 15:37:32 I would think the capacitive ones lasted longer having no moving parts, being entirely solid state Apr 25 15:37:50 and there's no space inside N900 for the wiener sausage stylus you need for c-ts XP Apr 25 15:38:01 n900 is - as a lot of people have said - about the best resistive screen you'll see in a consumer device. Apr 25 15:38:13 yes, agree Apr 25 15:38:42 but my g1 can take some pocket-change-attacks and not damage the screen. resistive screens can't be covered by anything 'solid' like that so they are more vulnerable Apr 25 15:38:46 I was impressed with the invisibleshield because I screwed up the first one Apr 25 15:38:46 and I prefer to c-ts any day Apr 25 15:38:50 Dropped it on a printout Apr 25 15:39:07 The abuse it withstood afterwards impressed me Apr 25 15:39:28 Pens .... trying to tear it in half.... tried to bite a hole in it Apr 25 15:39:36 No visible marks Apr 25 15:39:38 Disconnect: flexibility != surface ruggedness Apr 25 15:40:12 DocScrutinizer: here's my housekey. lets test your n900 vs my g1 (or even better, a droid w/ gorilla glass and we'll use a framing nail :) ..) Apr 25 15:40:17 Disconnect: I.E you could cover a r-ts plastic with diamond and it'll never ever scratch Apr 25 15:40:38 DocScrutinizer: if it was covered with diamond it would also never work (or the flex would shatter the diamond) Apr 25 15:41:04 is there timed profiles application or applet for maemo? Apr 25 15:41:05 nope, as very thin diamond is flexible enough to work Apr 25 15:41:29 Surfa: check 'alarmed' app Apr 25 15:41:36 ok thanks Apr 25 15:42:12 :) Apr 25 15:42:15 ishield on gorilla glass is basically 100% about texture and 0% about protection (well, the full cladding protects the plastic etc but the screen is neigh invulnerable) .. on standard cap screens its a mix, on resistive its about protection :) Apr 25 15:43:03 i was abusing my iphone and n900 in a same way Apr 25 15:43:10 and well, i scratched iphone Apr 25 15:43:11 DocScrutinizer: show me someone who has actually productized that coating ;) Apr 25 15:43:21 and i scratched n900 Apr 25 15:43:23 NASA Apr 25 15:43:30 jacekowski: iphone didn't use gorilla glass until the newest one afaik Apr 25 15:43:36 DocScrutinizer: nasa doesn't have products :P Apr 25 15:44:07 I found http://www.green-pan.com/cookware/intro.asp interesting Apr 25 15:44:14 Disconnect: Shuttle Apr 25 15:44:22 A ceramic non-stick coating. Apr 25 15:44:29 Alas stupidly expensive ATM. Apr 25 15:44:41 non-stick == it falls off? :D Apr 25 15:44:48 I was wanting a 20cm fryingpan for my new induction cooker - ~$100 Apr 25 15:44:54 It's a replacement for teflon Apr 25 15:45:00 but good to 450C, not 260 Apr 25 15:45:15 and doesn't make nasty fumes when it gets hot Apr 25 15:45:17 and scratchproof I suppose :-P Apr 25 15:45:22 pretty much Apr 25 15:45:27 they say you can use metallic spoons Apr 25 15:45:33 though not knives Apr 25 15:45:53 a properly handled aluminum pan (with a proper chef behind it) is also non-stick :) Apr 25 15:45:56 or cast iron. Apr 25 15:46:27 not in a microwave X-P Apr 25 15:46:29 yes. I have cast iron. it works well Apr 25 15:46:29 Seasoned cast iron Apr 25 15:46:32 for some things Apr 25 15:46:33 that gorilla glass doesn't look like a real glass Apr 25 15:46:46 DocScrutinizer: can't microwave the green-pan either. its a ceramic COATING on a metal pan Apr 25 15:46:47 I bet it does not look like a real gorilla either... Apr 25 15:46:55 Or just a wok that's very very carbonized Apr 25 15:46:57 RST38h++ :) Apr 25 15:47:00 I however want a general purpose thing that I can do omelettes in without fat. Apr 25 15:47:18 awilkins: I have a seasoned steel wok - works well. Apr 25 15:47:21 aah induction cooker Apr 25 15:47:25 awilkins: Especially with induction cooker Apr 25 15:47:34 sorry coffee doesn't kick in today Apr 25 15:47:40 awilkins: hits cooking temp in buggerall seconds. Apr 25 15:48:08 I do like teflon pans. Until you let the mother-in-law near them Apr 25 15:48:14 Lets me move the wok around without stopping heating, and doesn't heat the room like a gas ring of equivalent output power would Apr 25 15:48:20 She abused the last one so badly it's actually warped from the heat Apr 25 15:48:35 awilkins: the above is interesting as it's really quite hard to get a pan to 450C Apr 25 15:48:44 awilkins: it's not to get it to 260 Apr 25 15:49:20 And ecofriendly :-P Apr 25 15:49:30 The 'green' claims are a huge pile of bullshit. Apr 25 15:49:31 Never mind all the fuel burnt to heat the thing Apr 25 15:49:37 Exactly Apr 25 15:49:41 Apart from the PTFE gas emissions, which are real Apr 25 15:49:47 and do kill pets Apr 25 15:49:57 though their effect on humans is less severe Apr 25 15:50:04 If they were eco friendly they'd just say "don't cook with pans, it wastes loads of heat.." Apr 25 15:50:07 huh? Apr 25 15:50:15 Get a solar oven and a stewpot Apr 25 15:50:31 when should I watch Battlestar Galactica: the Plan ? :) Apr 25 15:50:40 eat sushi! Apr 25 15:51:20 awilkins: I was surprised that the ~200W lowest setting on my induction cooker will actually boil stuff (slowly) Apr 25 15:51:27 does Maemo5 have any particular preference of memory card filesystems? I inserted a 2GB fat32 microSD card in a N900 but the phone cannot see the data Apr 25 15:51:37 awilkins: it's _much_ more efficient than my microwave. Apr 25 15:51:43 GAN900: you're going to like my reply on MWKN ML Apr 25 15:52:08 SpeedEvil, I suspect Induction is pretty efficient Apr 25 15:52:32 Hmm, why would Maemo not read FAT32? Apr 25 15:52:32 kpel: then something's wrong with your card Apr 25 15:52:52 Sounds like a pretty standard kernel module Apr 25 15:52:53 or PEBKAC Apr 25 15:52:53 brb Apr 25 15:53:56 kpel, did you close the door? Apr 25 15:54:20 awilkins: ~90% vs ~70 for conventional electric rings, and ~50 for microwave Apr 25 15:54:31 It should read fat32 Apr 25 15:54:31 door/cover Apr 25 15:55:05 ShadowJK: yes Apr 25 15:55:06 insert correctly, close battery cover Apr 25 15:55:11 ah does it work if i format my sdhc card to ext2? Apr 25 15:55:17 i can read the card fine from linux and winxp Apr 25 15:55:50 kpel: mind to pastebin 'mount' output? Apr 25 15:55:51 Greenpan.... 24cm frying pan ... £45 holy moley Apr 25 15:56:36 awilkins: yes - it's crazy money ATM. Apr 25 15:56:37 DocScrutinizer: ok but it will take a moment. i am reformating the card and will now try to reinsert it in the phone without any data. Apr 25 15:56:53 SpeedEvil, Ok, that's the induction unit Apr 25 15:56:53 :-/ Apr 25 15:57:27 SpeedEvil, The not-fat-bottomed-girls ones are a _bit_ cheaper Apr 25 15:57:38 summel: n900 supports ext3, but all scripts that mount card have vfat hardcoded Apr 25 15:57:54 :( Apr 25 15:57:54 summel: but you can work around that Apr 25 15:58:05 so i cant save files >2GB on it? Apr 25 15:58:09 it's only one script Apr 25 15:58:19 summel, up to 4GB per file Apr 25 15:58:21 3 scripts Apr 25 15:58:22 Generally the N900 mount process is something like this: list partition table, look for dos type partition, if there isn't one, abort. Try to mount as vfat. If it fails, abort. Apr 25 15:58:27 oh 4gb... Apr 25 15:58:32 thats enough Apr 25 15:58:43 2*sh +1*awk script Apr 25 15:58:45 jacekowski, for an SD card it's 1 script Apr 25 15:59:00 (unless he's talking about MyDocs) Apr 25 15:59:16 no the sdhc card Apr 25 15:59:25 * DocScrutinizer rows brain at Nokia general direction Apr 25 15:59:26 1 script did it for me Apr 25 15:59:29 throws Apr 25 15:59:30 rcS-late Apr 25 15:59:33 but 4gb files is enough... i only have a 16gb card ^^ Apr 25 15:59:48 i have to buy 32g card Apr 25 15:59:51 16GBs here too Apr 25 16:00:02 I want one, but it's too expensive for me Apr 25 16:00:02 jacekowski: yes but they are too expensive atm :( Apr 25 16:00:10 MyDocs is full Apr 25 16:00:37 more then 100€.... while a 16GB one is less then 50! Apr 25 16:00:54 My whole music collection is on there and it's only occupying 12GB... what are you sticking in these phones? Apr 25 16:01:03 16 full length movies? Apr 25 16:02:12 * ShadowJK has about 10 hours of crap downloaded from youtube still unwatched :( Apr 25 16:03:27 a stupid question for anyone that could answer: is the ear speaker recovered by the screen or is there a real hole at this place ? Apr 25 16:03:34 * DocScrutinizer sighs and markes 50% of ShadowJK' eMMC as bad blocks Apr 25 16:03:47 D: Apr 25 16:03:52 peetah, What, on a screen protector? Apr 25 16:03:54 DocScrutinizer, locking the CPU @ 500 isn't recommended right? Apr 25 16:04:25 I ask because I put a protection on the screen (invisibleshield) and I don't know if the thing that recover the hole is from the protection or from the original N900 Apr 25 16:04:31 DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/gxFD3Wth Apr 25 16:04:45 and it seems that the sound is a bit low from the ear speaker Apr 25 16:04:54 i remember /dev/mmcblk1 looked the same even before the format Apr 25 16:05:04 awilkins: no, on the bare screen Apr 25 16:05:23 kpel: /dev/mmcblk1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat Apr 25 16:05:24 peetah, There's a hole in the screen Apr 25 16:05:32 peetah, there's a hole there for the speaker Apr 25 16:05:42 peetah, One of the i-s covers I got I had to pull the hole out for the speaker Apr 25 16:05:54 DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50993 Apr 25 16:05:57 is there a hardware shortcut to the "show all open applications" which i can use in fullscreen apps? Apr 25 16:05:58 peetah, The other one was cut better and the holes were already out Apr 25 16:06:02 peetah, also note that the volume keys work differently depending on teh app you're in... In the phone I think you press it outward (-) for increased volume :P Apr 25 16:06:05 but i'm not sure Apr 25 16:06:12 DocScrutinizer: yes, that's how it always reads it. the problem is that it tends to trash any data there. Apr 25 16:06:29 ok so I can safely make this hole: it is only altering the protection Apr 25 16:06:48 ShadowJK: yep I noticed this about the volume keys Apr 25 16:07:09 don't cut too deep or you'll be cutting into the speaker Apr 25 16:07:24 ok thanks Apr 25 16:09:42 MohammadAG_: thanks, pal. That made me angry once more Apr 25 16:09:56 baron von bubba -> idiot Apr 25 16:10:05 aaaaahhhh I just had to pull a little to remove the pre-cut cover Apr 25 16:10:09 Just pick it out with your girlfriends tweezers Apr 25 16:10:15 it seems ok now Apr 25 16:10:16 Aha, done Apr 25 16:10:33 Check the proximity sensor and facecam as well Apr 25 16:10:36 DocScrutinizer, anytime mate Apr 25 16:10:49 awilkins: I was just going to ask you :) Apr 25 16:11:32 awilkins: I can see they are covered too, but it does not seems to alter the phone behavior or the quality of the facecam Apr 25 16:11:45 (given that facecam is almost null quality) Apr 25 16:11:46 MohammadAG_: "locking at 500mhz will fry the device"? Don't you think you're slightly exaggerating? Apr 25 16:15:17 Shapeshifter, no Apr 25 16:15:35 peetah: is there a hole in N900 surface for poximity sensor or frontcam? Apr 25 16:16:15 DocScrutinizer: on the N900 screen, of course not :) Apr 25 16:17:06 I've just removed the thin protection that remained from the i-s on ear speaker, sensor and frontcam Apr 25 16:17:49 I was not sure about the ear speaker and did not want to crack the screen: silly, but I really did not want to mess with my beloved Apr 25 16:19:10 thanks to awilkins and ShadowJK for keeping me safe Apr 25 16:20:33 ~overclocking Apr 25 16:20:34 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Apr 25 16:21:23 yeah, how do I undervolt this frying pan? Apr 25 16:22:15 * DocScrutinizer mumbles 'braindamaged diletantic idiots' and wanders off Apr 25 16:23:23 well. I'm not interested in overclocking my device, but still, we'll see if it will actually matter. Most likely those who overclock will have bought a new device long before electromigration has deteriorated their cpus... Apr 25 16:25:45 It's not for some idiots electrocuting their CPU, it's for the 'expert image' and attitude they show off, thus speading nonsense to the brains of noobs Apr 25 16:26:26 * crashanddie facepalms: http://notalwaysright.com/beyond-even-the-power-of-pixel-dust/5031 Apr 25 16:26:34 GAN900: specially for you Apr 25 16:28:28 technically they could just clone brush the wall Apr 25 16:28:39 is there a way i can place a custom-made script on the home-screen so i can access it quickly? Apr 25 16:29:10 commandline execution widget Apr 25 16:29:11 DocScrutinizer: I'm actually looking for my variac to overvolt my microwave. Apr 25 16:29:14 mikki-kun: write script, put .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Apr 25 16:29:27 DocScrutinizer: queen beecon > command line widget Apr 25 16:30:00 Shapeshifter: so, i can make a symlink in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ to the script? Apr 25 16:30:07 RL > N900 chat Apr 25 16:30:15 * DocScrutinizer away Apr 25 16:30:40 mikki-kun: no, you have to write a .desktop file. look at the others in there for an example. but depending on what you want, desktop command execution widget and queen beecon might be better Apr 25 16:31:08 hm, would actually just be a small shortcut for me to ssh to my server Apr 25 16:31:33 i know, sounds kind of ridicolous, still would be nice imo Apr 25 16:31:36 clone and edit MC Apr 25 16:31:47 Midnight Commander? Apr 25 16:31:51 yep Apr 25 16:32:05 it calls a xterm with a cmd parameter Apr 25 16:32:27 mikki-kun: yeah or just write a small script and desktop file if you don't wanna install MC ;) Apr 25 16:32:29 substitute parameter MC by waht you like to get executed Apr 25 16:32:41 oh Apr 25 16:32:50 yeah, installing MC would be... too spacetaking... Apr 25 16:32:55 * Shapeshifter shuts up Apr 25 16:33:05 I'm talking bout .desktop :-P Apr 25 16:33:10 ;) Apr 25 16:33:42 gotta search then only for the .desktop of MC in the www? Apr 25 16:34:14 install MC, copy mc.desktop to myserver.desktop, unisnatll MC, edit myserver.desktop Apr 25 16:34:32 or just dl and inspect the mc package Apr 25 16:35:06 though I really don't see any reason to UNinstall MC ever Apr 25 16:35:21 even though mc would have kicked ass on the n900 the lack of Fx keys made it's usage difficult... Apr 25 16:35:34 i use mostly only mv etc pp... Apr 25 16:35:37 no, it doesn't Apr 25 16:35:49 use ESC+0..9 Apr 25 16:36:05 ==FN-key Apr 25 16:36:42 hm... maybe i'll give it another shot... Apr 25 16:36:47 there's also http://vifm.sourceforge.net/picture.html ;) I should try it sometime. it seems nice enough (vi-flavoured ncurses file manager) Apr 25 16:38:05 that looks awesome Apr 25 17:00:15 crashanddie, technology is magic, duh. Apr 25 17:04:34 god i hate mc. i was transferring something over ssh and it filled up the rootfs Apr 25 17:04:58 there is some temporary folder in mc Apr 25 17:05:25 and it uses it for all copying operation. how dumb! Apr 25 17:06:02 yes, because transfering files without storing them is so much more intelligent Apr 25 17:07:00 but i am copying from local fs to remote fs. why does it need to make a copy. Apr 25 17:08:17 X-Fade, ping Apr 25 17:09:00 i cant find how to change this temp dirwctory Apr 25 17:16:21 I would try setting the TEMP environment variable Apr 25 17:18:19 SpeedEvil: i would have to start mc from shell then i guess Apr 25 17:18:45 not from desktop. Apr 25 17:19:20 or replace the mc binary with a shell script, which calls mc.bin after exporting the right environment variable Apr 25 17:19:33 also poke the developer/porter Apr 25 17:27:40 whee new games in the repository Apr 25 17:27:41 <3 Apr 25 17:28:34 change TEMP systemwide. Do same for /var and /usr Apr 25 17:28:50 is it possible to put two maintainers in debian/control? Apr 25 17:29:15 /tmp on / fs is a major bug in maemo Apr 25 17:39:21 so i can just rinse the vikiuiti and reapply, correct? Apr 25 17:40:48 MohammadAG: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Uploaders Apr 25 17:52:25 SpeedEvil: u sed the bubbles go in a couple days. how bout the bubbles near the edge? Apr 25 17:53:02 #cambodia Apr 25 17:54:41 \o/ Apr 25 17:54:55 so i didnt get eaten by VDVsx \o/ Apr 25 17:55:18 * RST38h yawns Apr 25 17:55:27 frals, VDVsx is a wuss - he couldnt beat his way out of a wet paper bag :p Apr 25 17:55:37 lol lcuk Apr 25 17:55:45 opdf2: It is a diffusion process. The pressure inside the bubble is moderately high - and the gas diffuses through the plastic Apr 25 17:55:48 lcuk: You hazed VDVsx with a wet paper bag? =) Apr 25 17:56:03 RST38h, no but i kicked his ass Apr 25 17:56:18 there were no paper bags handy Apr 25 17:56:25 evil Apr 25 17:57:49 bad lcuk !! no more beer for you Apr 25 17:59:52 SpeedEvil: i see Apr 25 18:04:52 * VDVsx moos at wazd :D Apr 25 18:05:11 VDVsx: RST38h ate your brain? :D Apr 25 18:05:27 lol Apr 25 18:05:57 damn i forgot Apr 25 18:06:01 I just witnessed epic fail by myself Apr 25 18:06:05 i shouldve made you prounounce your nick VDVsx Apr 25 18:06:27 my sister restored files from heavily damaged HDD for 200 bucks Apr 25 18:07:01 and guess what Apr 25 18:07:07 she found your porn folder? Apr 25 18:07:24 Stskeeps: who stores porno on the hard drive now? :D Apr 25 18:07:29 true Apr 25 18:07:40 well, besides pedophiles it seems Apr 25 18:07:41 Stskeeps: it's 21st century :D Apr 25 18:08:06 the irony is that these files are lost again, new harddrive crashed too :D Apr 25 18:08:15 ah Apr 25 18:08:15 :P Apr 25 18:09:03 VDVsx, awww Apr 25 18:10:25 I'm backing up my replacement laptop drive to n900 still. rsync works well Apr 25 18:11:24 wazd: i do Apr 25 18:13:14 DocScrutinizer: how can i change TEMP systemwide? Apr 25 18:13:29 what profile do i need to edit Apr 25 18:14:01 I'm unsure the builtin sh does profiles Apr 25 18:14:40 echo $TEMP is empty Apr 25 18:15:03 I would be tempted to grep -r tmp /etc Apr 25 18:15:13 Find what mounts the tmpfs thre Apr 25 18:15:37 replace /tmp with a link to wherever Apr 25 18:17:06 what package holds less command? Apr 25 18:17:31 i need less not more :) Apr 25 18:17:59 or is it a busybox command? Apr 25 18:20:10 sdk tools repo Apr 25 18:21:32 GAN900: thanks Apr 25 18:30:29 GAN900: Given the chart's I've pulled up (and the work you've been doing), I think you're an "editor"; rather than a sub. Apr 25 18:30:42 GAN900: And Reggie is... not. Apr 25 18:30:44 Jaffa, damn! Apr 25 18:31:40 Reminds me, I've got an email to finish. Apr 25 18:35:23 GAN900 / Jaffa: i've got a post i need to write Apr 25 18:35:31 actually, i wrote it, i need to post it :) Apr 25 18:46:13 when localizing the whole OS Apr 25 18:46:22 what command adds the language in settings? Apr 25 18:57:17 has anybody noticed issues with python bluetooth bindings recently? Apr 25 19:01:54 konttori: I've not seen anything using them! Apr 25 19:02:30 well, I started hearing complaints that wiicontrol had suddendly started not-working. Apr 25 19:02:36 I filed a bug now to pymaemo. Apr 25 19:02:48 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10029 in case you are interested. Apr 25 19:02:51 Bug 10029: Bluetooth bindings don't work Apr 25 19:06:25 can i somewehre get a vm/sdk with the software repositorys of a real n900 device and not newer ones? or is there git cmake and qmake availeable on my n900? Apr 25 19:07:16 no, to the second Apr 25 19:07:31 summel: there is Apr 25 19:07:37 where? :D Apr 25 19:07:40 summel: you just have to add repository for it Apr 25 19:07:53 hm but the qt in the sdk is already newer Apr 25 19:08:03 so my app does not work on my n900 :( Apr 25 19:08:29 or do you mean a repo with cmake/qmake and git? Apr 25 19:08:45 summel: nevermind the current version. PR1.2 will be out before christmas. probably. maybe. Apr 25 19:09:03 but i want to use my app now -_- Apr 25 19:09:24 summel: can't you make it compatible? what are you using from qt 4.6? Apr 25 19:09:29 and by that i mean not only in the sdk Apr 25 19:10:00 Shapeshifter: nothing but when i build it in the sdk i can use it only there... it does not work on my n900 Apr 25 19:10:36 http://summel.de/qsl.log Apr 25 19:10:46 err Apr 25 19:11:09 summel: ah. mh I'm not sure about compiled apps and autobuilder, but you're supposed to use autobuilder anyway. I think it's fixed for the current n900. If I'm not completely mistaken. Apr 25 19:11:23 maybe I am. the whole PR1.2 autobuilder story is insane. Apr 25 19:11:36 autobuilder? Apr 25 19:12:03 summel: well, make a package, upload it to autobuilder, have it available in extras-devel. or is that not what you want? Of course you could also simply install the old SDK and compile there. Apr 25 19:12:50 * MohammadAG asks again Apr 25 19:12:54 what command adds the language in settings? Apr 25 19:13:46 http://summel.de/quassel.log Apr 25 19:14:01 hmmm Apr 25 19:14:52 well the error i get is "quasselclient: symbol lookup error: quasselclient: undefinded symbol: _ZN9QListData7detach3Ev Apr 25 19:15:38 $150 for a Freerunner... so tempting :x Apr 25 19:15:46 oO Apr 25 19:15:47 so ugly Apr 25 19:15:57 sure, but nothing better for phones Apr 25 19:18:23 wait another 6 months and it will be $50 Apr 25 19:18:39 RST38h: ok :) Apr 25 19:18:43 not in a hurry Apr 25 19:18:57 i hate programmers block :\ Apr 25 19:19:44 luke-jr: where are you getting your freerunners from? Apr 25 19:19:45 Well - I note A7 has sold out in the US store at least Apr 25 19:19:46 eat more fibre Apr 25 19:19:52 lol Apr 25 19:19:56 Also - it's $170 for the eu variant in that store Apr 25 19:20:02 I have no idea what kind of app I wanna make Apr 25 19:20:11 A6 does not hav ethe buzfuix rework Apr 25 19:20:14 other than a Spotify client with offline support Apr 25 19:20:16 or maybe a game Apr 25 19:20:16 parim: ebay <.< Apr 25 19:20:25 luke-jr: Apr 25 19:20:27 PhonicUK, start simple Apr 25 19:20:33 luke-jr: where are you? Apr 25 19:20:37 SpeedEvil: Nebraska Apr 25 19:20:44 I was thinking of a game where you roll a ball around using the accelerometer Apr 25 19:20:47 that would be pretty simple Apr 25 19:20:49 which means I probably don't have GSM coverage anyway Apr 25 19:20:49 luke-jr: well - the US store has tehm for only $170 Apr 25 19:20:59 "only" Apr 25 19:21:01 if I can get SDL and Box2D to play nice Apr 25 19:21:04 PhonicUK: there are already 2 of them Apr 25 19:21:05 so staying at a hotel alone is pretty boring Apr 25 19:21:07 indeed PhonicUK Apr 25 19:21:17 and i hope neverball will be portet anytime soon :) Apr 25 19:21:24 Anyone ever played Obulis? Apr 25 19:21:25 $170+S&H, I think Apr 25 19:21:28 compared to $150 Apr 25 19:21:28 I wanted to make a version of that Apr 25 19:21:30 a good deal Apr 25 19:21:33 frals, yeah, free internet - the bar is nicer downstairs Apr 25 19:21:46 luke-jr: consider also the battery in the ebya one may be toast Apr 25 19:21:54 yeah wouldve gone crazy without the free wifi Apr 25 19:21:54 luke-jr: is the ebay A7? Apr 25 19:21:55 true :( Apr 25 19:21:57 A6 Apr 25 19:22:06 code Apr 25 19:22:14 (you can use a nokia battery with a simple mod to the fr) Apr 25 19:22:15 * lcuk does whenever hes away Apr 25 19:22:26 nothing else to do, so i make notes and code them up Apr 25 19:22:33 * lcuk rarely internets abroad Apr 25 19:22:40 lol Apr 25 19:22:43 gonna watch some tvseries ive saved for the occasion Apr 25 19:22:54 lcuk: you're IRCing long distance! Apr 25 19:23:05 would code but kinda at a lot of dead ends atm :< Apr 25 19:23:07 luke-jr, normally its unreliable Apr 25 19:23:27 and i strongly dislike connect/disconnect cycles and paying hotel money for it Apr 25 19:23:32 so i just dont use internet :) Apr 25 19:24:15 this seems solid actually Apr 25 19:24:21 it is in the blu Apr 25 19:24:23 hi Apr 25 19:24:37 whats the latest alt on xkcd? Apr 25 19:25:06 Telescopes and bathyscapes and sonar probes of Scottish lakes, Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse explained with abstract phase-space maps, some x-ray slides, a music score, Minard's Napoleonic war: the most exciting new frontier is charting what's already here. Apr 25 19:25:16 thx lcuk Apr 25 19:25:28 xkcd over irc: helping n900 owners who cant right click Apr 25 19:25:46 :) Apr 25 19:25:48 quick hide hes back again Apr 25 19:25:52 lcuk, sorted out the code tests :D - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=627311#post627311 Apr 25 19:25:54 lol frals Apr 25 19:26:01 how was the coffee? and , erm , flight? Apr 25 19:26:07 i dont really have anything here other than n900 Apr 25 19:26:15 no coffee been had! Apr 25 19:26:20 lol Apr 25 19:26:21 flight was fine, landed 15min early Apr 25 19:26:35 thresh, its something not many sites need but is commonly asked Apr 25 19:26:38 went for thai with VDVsx and timeless_mbp instead! Apr 25 19:26:43 actually the last time i went to sweden and was invited back for a coffee......... twas a fruity coffee i didnt expect! Apr 25 19:26:43 lcuk: yup. Apr 25 19:26:46 we need an xkcd plugin Apr 25 19:26:47 and thai was good Apr 25 19:26:59 that will inline the alt text below the picture Apr 25 19:28:15 frals entertainment in the radisson first time i was there - middle of the night fire alarm went off Apr 25 19:28:24 hmm noobmonk3y how many tests are that over? Apr 25 19:28:25 the first people out of the lift was a family Apr 25 19:28:36 frals 5 tests on each Apr 25 19:28:37 lol Apr 25 19:28:37 they had been roused out of bed and werent exactly dressed :'( Apr 25 19:28:55 just gave the average, but was quite impressive Apr 25 19:29:32 annoying if it makes a difference, they should have taken that into account when writing python styleguide then! Apr 25 19:29:47 need to write something to remove all blank links and try it out.. :P Apr 25 19:29:51 lines* Apr 25 19:30:13 noobmonk3y, so - effectively with a bit of refactoring you saved 20% of startup time? Apr 25 19:30:17 (10sec to 8) Apr 25 19:30:24 yup! Apr 25 19:30:28 fuck me! Apr 25 19:30:31 tinkering with it now :D Apr 25 19:30:39 noobmonk3y: did you do any profiling with cprofile? Apr 25 19:30:39 obviously not sustainable Apr 25 19:30:42 cos comments help Apr 25 19:30:47 but thats a pretty large chunk Apr 25 19:30:50 that was almost entirely through spaces and gaps, but a bit more through removing unused or duplicated lines Apr 25 19:30:59 lcuk, included all print lines Apr 25 19:31:13 so i can comment after them Apr 25 19:31:37 what do you mean? you left the print lines in place? Apr 25 19:31:42 healthcheck is a little bit of a heavy loader to be fiar, as the amount of dependencies it has :| Apr 25 19:31:46 cos i do that - i use debug as commenting Apr 25 19:31:53 ie print Variable "- Testing variable" Apr 25 19:32:00 yeah well i left them in Apr 25 19:32:03 did you remove those or leave them in Apr 25 19:32:05 but took out the #comment lines Apr 25 19:32:06 ahh cool Apr 25 19:32:09 :) roger Apr 25 19:32:22 "bit of a heavy loader"? :D Apr 25 19:32:25 the dependency issue wont change with what you did Apr 25 19:32:30 i thought fmms was slow at ~1sec lol Apr 25 19:32:42 but i wonder if some of the modules before going to extras could be stripped in a similar manner Apr 25 19:32:49 (thats with ~100messages on my phone) Apr 25 19:32:51 imagine if all of them had that 20% reduction! Apr 25 19:33:39 considering going a step further and seeing if i can time functions Apr 25 19:33:46 then i can try and trim each one Apr 25 19:33:50 noobmonk3y: cprofile Apr 25 19:33:53 :D Apr 25 19:33:57 use it learn it love it Apr 25 19:34:18 you need python-profiler or somesuch from debian Apr 25 19:34:25 * noobmonk3y learns to love trout..... erm i mean cprofile Apr 25 19:35:36 hmmm lcuk / frals, have you got the latest healthcheck - need your brains on a problem i have Apr 25 19:35:42 which method provides faster transfer rate? PC suite or USB mode? Apr 25 19:35:42 (with healthcheck, not myself lol) Apr 25 19:35:48 im planning to transfer 10 gb Apr 25 19:36:03 opdf2, i like normal usb mode Apr 25 19:36:22 cos i havent got pc suite on my linux box Apr 25 19:36:25 noobmonk3y: sup with it? dont have latest installed but can check it Apr 25 19:36:47 * lcuk writes 20% as big as possible Apr 25 19:37:05 the list boxes when first loaded load the wrong colour for selection (Standard maemo theme, so blue in my colour) - after you click a line they go to the green i set Apr 25 19:37:24 not sure why when it first loads it uses the standard maemo select colour, and not the stylesheet green Apr 25 19:38:23 dunno Apr 25 19:38:23 * lcuk hits the update healthcheck/fmms button on toolbar Apr 25 19:38:29 lol lcuk Apr 25 19:38:37 theres 2 different color select dialogs Apr 25 19:38:44 depending on which qt path you use Apr 25 19:38:48 one looks like mine Apr 25 19:38:54 hai Apr 25 19:38:57 the other looks like original windowsesq one Apr 25 19:39:38 ? Apr 25 19:39:41 :| Apr 25 19:39:53 but the colour changes after first click Apr 25 19:40:00 its only on load it is wrong :| Apr 25 19:41:24 noobmonk3y, i mean the function used to show color dialogs Apr 25 19:41:29 pyqt has a different one to qt itself Apr 25 19:41:35 oh dont use that :P Apr 25 19:41:46 i built the qt dialogs example for n900 Apr 25 19:41:53 Cool :D Apr 25 19:42:10 could there be a memory leak in the wireless driver of maemo5? I see swap slowly filling but can't find a process that would be responsible Apr 25 19:42:14 lcuk: \o/ i always get a segfault when running my qt4 app :/ Apr 25 19:42:29 and it has swanky color select that is remarkably similar to: http://liqbase.net/liq.adhoc.stand.front.20100104_004.jpg Apr 25 19:42:38 summel, congratulations Apr 25 19:42:40 haha ;) Apr 25 19:44:07 but it starts just fine :) http://summel.de/quassel2.png Apr 25 19:44:37 :| Apr 25 19:45:04 hmmm the sip client on the n900 does not work with ekiga? Apr 25 19:45:10 *ekiga accounts Apr 25 19:47:09 noobmonk3y, i am thinking comment scrubbing stage in python packaging process Apr 25 19:47:24 :D :D lol am i giving you ideas :P Apr 25 19:47:38 or something to dive around my machine to scrube all python Apr 25 19:47:49 yes :) thank you for actually testing Apr 25 19:47:58 thats really really worthwhile Apr 25 19:48:03 hehehe! suprised, as it looks like python doesnt do it - thought it would do it itself Apr 25 19:48:18 no i can understand why too Apr 25 19:48:20 its just a parser Apr 25 19:48:26 sure, it ignore those lines in processing Apr 25 19:48:34 but it has to still add them to trees and skip them etc Apr 25 19:48:45 ahhhh..... i did remove quite a lot of lines, so was poorly done in the first place :P Apr 25 19:48:51 does python use a shebang? Apr 25 19:49:03 noobmonk3y, no Apr 25 19:49:08 its just code Apr 25 19:49:30 sometimes it will be made sparsly othertimes there will be pages of comments Apr 25 19:49:49 just counted, 17 imports on load :| Apr 25 19:49:59 yeah Apr 25 19:50:13 i'm sure thats why it's 5+ seconds though Apr 25 19:50:21 if all 17 of those were also optimized (im not sure how import sections are done, are they already precompiled? Apr 25 19:50:25 allthough actually ... there is 2 parts to my program Apr 25 19:50:25 python Apr 25 19:50:39 frals - it is only 3 seconds for the program to load - 7 seconds for it to load all variables Apr 25 19:51:05 the program load was cut down by almost a full second, but not much change to the variables etc Apr 25 19:51:35 actually both cut down by a second, but - % is higher on the program load Apr 25 19:51:56 good q lcuk Apr 25 19:52:07 i'm assuming some arn't optimized...... Apr 25 19:52:17 erm and a couple of them are just other py files Apr 25 19:52:23 im going to go with assumption most arent Apr 25 19:52:28 yeah :P Apr 25 19:52:29 yeah Apr 25 19:53:24 what do you use for packaging? Apr 25 19:54:21 ah its a bug in empathy :( Apr 25 19:54:38 py2packager Apr 25 19:54:58 well khertans py2deb/py2packager mix Apr 25 19:55:05 yeah Apr 25 19:55:24 do you just edit live on device still Apr 25 19:55:37 or do you copy finished stuff on at end of night Apr 25 19:56:10 bit of both, at the mo using idle and winscp across to test ... earlier was editing on device Apr 25 19:56:15 takes a while to scroll through thtough Apr 25 19:56:18 though* Apr 25 19:56:33 wonder how MohammadAG got on with getting kinetic scrolling working in pygtkeditor? Apr 25 19:56:33 im thinking what would happen if we hacked pypackager Apr 25 19:57:05 lcuk, you would get spanked by the souls of a thousand chimpanzees..... or nothing much :P Apr 25 19:57:08 if MohammadAG is putting kinetics into pygtkeditor - he canan try to use the same trick for xchat ;) Apr 25 19:57:17 lcuk, - very good point Apr 25 19:57:35 thousand chimps is puny Apr 25 19:57:40 * MohammadAG is packaging the arabic UI translation Apr 25 19:57:54 nice MohammadAG Apr 25 19:57:55 * noobmonk3y thinks MohammadAG needs to work faster ;) hehehe Apr 25 19:58:00 not that I need it, but hey, I'm helping out Apr 25 19:58:04 awwww Apr 25 19:58:23 openttd seems to be broken by the process of optifying Apr 25 19:58:26 have you spoken with timeless_mbp - he has been doing translations and stuff and perhaps some of his contacts would be willing to help Apr 25 19:58:28 after about 4 hours Apr 25 19:58:33 it worked Apr 25 19:58:37 it won't load because it's a broken symlink Apr 25 19:59:08 * lcuk optimises noobmonk3y and MohammadAG by removing all comments and blank lines from their DNA Apr 25 19:59:19 * noobmonk3y struggles to blink Apr 25 19:59:32 * SpeedEvil wonders why noobmonk3y now has no appendix. Apr 25 19:59:44 wha? Apr 25 19:59:46 * noobmonk3y has a contents page on his forehead instead Apr 25 19:59:47 he has 2 now Apr 25 19:59:51 * MohammadAG Apr 25 19:59:52 * Torne can't figure out how optifying is supposed to work, though.. Apr 25 19:59:56 Apr 25 20:00:01 oi! Apr 25 20:00:04 i said no blank lines Apr 25 20:00:06 * MohammadAG recovers from the problem lcuk made Apr 25 20:00:19 lcuk, you removed all but the blank lines Apr 25 20:00:25 * timeless_mbp is watching a movie Apr 25 20:00:31 wtf Apr 25 20:00:36 * noobmonk3y stares blankly Apr 25 20:00:40 a moth just flew out the end of a cigarette Apr 25 20:00:47 lol Apr 25 20:00:53 i shit you not Apr 25 20:01:11 * lcuk is speechless Apr 25 20:02:30 hmmmmmmmmmm Apr 25 20:02:31 http://www.noreve.com/brand/Nokia/product/Housse_cuir_Nokia_N900_Tradition_C.html Apr 25 20:03:14 i want a decent slip case Apr 25 20:03:20 any recommendations? Apr 25 20:04:21 http://www.articlesbase.com/hobbies-articles/the-tobacco-beetle-your-cigars-407739.html#axzz0m9EiZcLp Apr 25 20:04:30 noobmonk3y, i have a pocket Apr 25 20:04:33 :D Apr 25 20:07:43 Jaffa, no qole. ;) Apr 25 20:15:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc2l1jsFxm4 myiphone controlling the n900 media player. check it out if u like. Apr 25 20:17:52 noobmonk3y, tracy was looking at these for her n900 http://www.cellularfactory.com/pro.jsp?c=447051 Apr 25 20:18:51 wincey bag lol Apr 25 20:21:25 noobmonk3y, i have to let her off some things lol Apr 25 20:21:34 hehe fair enough :P Apr 25 20:24:44 Sygic Maps for Maemo Symbian Apr 25 20:25:07 Why do all navigation software developers think their users want the UI of the OS they first launched on? Apr 25 20:26:01 GAN900, its more likely that to change a whole ui will be a ballache Apr 25 20:26:08 unless preplanned for Apr 25 20:27:33 lcuk, I don't want the Symbian UI on Maemo. Apr 25 20:27:35 End of story. Apr 25 20:28:15 Maemo has its own UI conventions, please use them. Apr 25 20:28:45 if oyu hate it now imagine whats gonna happen with meego Apr 25 20:29:01 Yeah, it'll be even better Apr 25 20:29:16 one of the many irritation platform decisions that I hate in MeeGo Apr 25 20:29:49 a strong universal ui will emerge Apr 25 20:30:01 which will transcend multiple flavours Apr 25 20:30:08 because devs are lazy Apr 25 20:30:24 because app devs will give one style more love than others Apr 25 20:30:44 why? lazy devs will just choose the most popular platforms/devices Apr 25 20:31:16 * noobmonk3y is gonna head to bed - night alls :D Apr 25 20:31:19 that doesn't mean a platform with several mediocre toolkits will suddenly grasp their imagination Apr 25 20:31:35 indeed Apr 25 20:35:45 So, I guess PR1.2 will be available at the end of this month? ;) Apr 25 20:36:53 I saw a presentation on that - hangon Apr 25 20:36:54 isnt that what qt4 is for? make all apps look native? :) Apr 25 20:37:48 if MohammadAG is putting kinetics into pygtkeditor - he canan try to use the same trick for xchat ;) Apr 25 20:37:58 noor's in pygtk, xchat is C++ afaik :) Apr 25 20:38:16 ahh Apr 25 20:38:39 MohammadAG, the gtk code editor component is c gtk afaik Apr 25 20:39:43 gan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic Apr 25 20:40:07 hm, why hasn't boost been optified yet :/ Apr 25 20:40:53 XChat uses GTK, true Apr 25 20:40:53 * MohammadAG has no idea how gtk works Apr 25 20:41:02 but I like it more than Qt Apr 25 20:41:03 Qt's faster though Apr 25 20:41:18 is that quantifiable? Apr 25 20:41:40 and prettier Apr 25 20:41:47 <3 Apr 25 20:42:31 Gtk was faster than Qt for me when forwared over an xsession. Apr 25 20:44:20 summel, doesnt the normal qt stylesheet make it look identical to gtk? Apr 25 20:45:27 lcuk: on maemo probably Apr 25 20:45:32 on mac os it looks like mac os Apr 25 20:45:36 on windows like windows Apr 25 20:45:40 so how is it prettier? Apr 25 20:45:41 and on linux like kde :P Apr 25 20:45:44 heh Apr 25 20:45:53 because i prefer native UI/themes over everything Apr 25 20:46:03 agreed Apr 25 20:46:05 well, faster as in with kinetic scrolling Apr 25 20:46:08 and all the availeable qt4 styles are so much prettier then gtk ones Apr 25 20:46:16 also gtk has no svg theme engine :o Apr 25 20:46:54 code is deffo better looking Apr 25 20:47:21 qtdesigner trumps glade3 as well Apr 25 20:47:40 yes but qt is, well, qt :p Apr 25 20:47:58 <3 qt Apr 25 20:55:34 zoutube sucks :( Apr 25 20:55:52 Jaffa, break time, will be back later. Apr 25 20:56:26 I also wonder what teh memory footprint of qt is in RAM Apr 25 20:56:34 With all the libs Apr 25 20:56:55 xchat is quite light ATM - as it shares a lot of libraries with the rest of the system. Apr 25 20:57:14 If the rest of the system is GTK, and xchat is still QT - it's suddenly quite heavy Apr 25 20:57:20 err - other way round Apr 25 20:58:41 hi, can someone please tell me what file permisions should be on /var folder, i'm using n900 Apr 25 20:59:23 ls -laR Apr 25 20:59:29 ls -laR /var Apr 25 20:59:34 pls Apr 25 21:06:17 drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 1000 Feb 1 18:56 /var Apr 25 21:12:47 SpeedEvil: thats why you should help getting quasselclient to run on maemo :) Apr 25 21:13:51 > Apr 25 21:13:53 ? Apr 25 21:14:18 oh Apr 25 21:15:41 SpeedEvil, lol. . . . Apr 25 21:15:45 www.quassel-irc.org :) Apr 25 21:16:19 yes - I'm aware of quassel Apr 25 21:16:29 ^^ Apr 25 21:16:34 It's just somewhat low on my stack of things to do. Apr 25 21:17:03 http://www.mauve.plus.com/walls/ - I have to finish off hte house insulation for example Apr 25 21:17:27 :o Apr 25 21:22:30 anyone: can i use dbus-send register a keyboard click? Ex: I click an Up arrow in my app (running in a remote xsession) and the foreground x window registers it . Basically making a control for simulators? Apr 25 21:24:41 zappa: i don't think you can do that with dbus-send; it is usually done using xtest extension to the X server Apr 25 21:25:52 zappa: ...but i don't have anything with maemo, so i might be wrong. Apr 25 21:26:21 * MohammadAG asks, who's a moderator here Apr 25 21:26:27 thx liori Apr 25 21:27:48 zappa: programs like http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/ can be used from CLI Apr 25 21:29:27 liori: wow! thanks for that link. i think its just what i need Apr 25 21:30:06 pr1.2 will have qt4 only? Apr 25 21:33:03 jacekowski: that would be nice :o Apr 25 21:35:45 night all Apr 25 21:36:36 wrong question Apr 25 21:36:43 is there qt3 in pr1.2? Apr 25 21:36:53 no Apr 25 21:36:58 afaik Apr 25 21:38:46 hmm, when SSU-ing, does the device move the files somewhere, or does it use /var/cache/apt/archives Apr 25 21:46:19 CPUfreqUI is in which repos ? Apr 25 21:47:42 hmhm, screen won't wake up >< Apr 25 21:51:08 Corsac, slap it Apr 25 21:51:28 kill -9 the old sshd. Apr 25 21:52:54 * MohammadAG likes lcuk's suggestion on haptic feedback Apr 25 21:53:24 Hi! How to make n810's camera work as webcam on the device? For example, how to "record from webcam" on youtube using n810's buit-in camera? :) Apr 25 21:53:43 FauxFaux: not screen (1), the n900 lcd Apr 25 21:54:27 Corsac: ...and that didn't even occur to me. Apr 25 21:54:51 Corsac: :/ Apr 25 21:55:32 what's weird is that the media player continue playing Apr 25 21:55:43 so it's not dead Apr 25 21:55:48 well, it wasn't some time ago Apr 25 21:56:32 though when I call it, nothing rings :) Apr 25 21:57:14 Does it ping? Apr 25 21:57:23 m77771111: you'd need a flash plugin that supports the camera Apr 25 21:57:29 and there isn't one Apr 25 21:57:49 the camera otoh support v4l Apr 25 21:57:49 timeless_mbp n810 native flash plugin don't support the camera? ) Apr 25 21:58:04 so any app that *does* support it would work Apr 25 21:58:09 m77771111: right Apr 25 21:58:18 What applications for n810 can allow me to stream a video from n810 by some protocol? ) Apr 25 21:58:56 * timeless_mbp shrugs Apr 25 21:58:59 mplayer? Apr 25 21:59:06 maemo.org has an app list Apr 25 21:59:09 search it? Apr 25 21:59:13 doesn't mafw work? Apr 25 21:59:20 or whatever play the N810 uses Apr 25 21:59:23 XM something Apr 25 21:59:27 MohammadAG: he wants to upload Apr 25 21:59:31 o... maybe ffmpeg + ffserver will start on n810 (-;;; Apr 25 21:59:33 m77771111: On an N810? Google Talk can stream video *somewhere* ;-) Apr 25 21:59:37 ah, from Apr 25 21:59:51 m77771111: mplayer/mencoder and/or vlc are probably your best bets Apr 25 22:00:01 so.. Qik was never ported to the N810 Apr 25 22:00:04 Jaffa o, i didn't find "gtalk" in applist in n810's "packet manager" ) Apr 25 22:00:14 Jaffa ok, i see ) Apr 25 22:00:22 m77771111: It's built-in. Apr 25 22:00:30 Jaffa o (-; Apr 25 22:01:28 it should work if you manage to have a remote client supporting the weird codec the IM client uses Apr 25 22:02:01 hmmh, on fremantle, is the OOM working? Apr 25 22:12:00 nn everyone Apr 25 22:29:54 Jaffa, that mod would require modifications to gtk and qt and any other toolkit that wants to use it Apr 25 22:30:11 but it would be an extremely beneficial ux improvement i think Apr 25 22:30:17 Creepy, MeeGo Blog is now following me. Apr 25 22:31:07 i always thought that was what haptics was meant to be about Apr 25 22:31:26 hi ... anyone can help me ? ... i want to get the lastest image for my n810 but: Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code. ... whats the problem ? Apr 25 22:32:09 boh_, on which page and which field are you using to enter Apr 25 22:32:16 and where are you reading it from Apr 25 22:32:55 Jaffa, its linked to also vibrating whilst a list is panning Apr 25 22:33:03 reducing vibration based on remaining speed Apr 25 22:33:06 i have used both .. wlan mac (without : ) and bluetooth ... but both want work Apr 25 22:33:14 on which page Apr 25 22:33:23 * lcuk reaches for an n810 Apr 25 22:33:34 i have testet with n810 and n810wimax page ... Apr 25 22:33:45 which page Apr 25 22:33:52 and are you reading from the labels under the battery Apr 25 22:34:01 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php Apr 25 22:34:45 yes .. i have read from under battery and from produkt info (same) .. Apr 25 22:34:46 accepted for my n810 Apr 25 22:35:07 WLAN ID check for D's and 0s Apr 25 22:35:12 they look similar on my label Apr 25 22:35:18 if i mistype it doesnt accept Apr 25 22:35:47 ive not tried it with the gui Apr 25 22:36:45 damn, have an N810 to update here, before the site vanishes into oblivion. Still has factory image Apr 25 22:36:47 good night Apr 25 22:36:50 thanks ... lol ... B and 8 ... sry for my stupidity Apr 25 22:36:58 boh_, :) np Apr 25 22:37:57 DocScrutinizer, what site? Apr 25 22:38:10 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php Apr 25 22:38:17 lol Apr 25 22:38:24 Wouldn't worry about that Apr 25 22:38:36 The early 770 images are still up. . . . Apr 25 22:39:20 I really don't - I mean I got the file somewhere on my PC from N810-A update. Guess I could use the same for N810-B Apr 25 22:39:55 or are those images stamped somehow? Apr 25 22:40:45 Ja ffa, that mod would require modifications to gtk and qt and any other toolkit that wants to use it Apr 25 22:40:54 they would be minor though, am I right? Apr 25 22:41:05 relatively yeah Apr 25 22:41:15 just add them to buttons Apr 25 22:41:25 I make it sound too easy :P Apr 25 22:41:25 but within each toolkit something on active controls would need to occur Apr 25 22:41:34 if the something does not occur, no sound Apr 25 22:41:39 DocScrutinizer, they're not Apr 25 22:41:54 i could put it in liqbase tonight to just make vibro work Apr 25 22:41:58 DocScrutinizer, WLAN MAC is mostly for Flash and some other third party stuff Apr 25 22:42:07 * lcuk even sees the line of code Apr 25 22:42:13 hooray 24 years tschernobyl Apr 25 22:42:33 (thinkg with mouse or click handlers) Apr 25 22:42:36 things Apr 25 22:43:06 the kinetic one would be a bit more indepth but again should be simple Apr 25 22:43:16 w00t_, denied? Apr 25 22:43:27 w00t_, gotta love it. . . . Apr 25 22:43:33 GAN900: reopened Apr 25 22:43:51 GAN900: I kind of understand what he's saying after doing research, so I'll make the requested changes Apr 25 22:45:26 tbh I'm more surprised to get a response at this time of week :P Apr 25 22:45:41 w00t_, yeah checking the rendering pathway would make the patch useful Apr 25 22:46:11 what kind of memory limits does the cache have Apr 25 22:47:10 lcuk: it uses the Qt application pixmap cache, available to any qt app.. I don't know the default limit, but I'd suspect it's fairly sensible Apr 25 22:47:28 I've never seen widgetsgallery go over around 120 pixmaps in xrestop anyway Apr 25 22:47:36 yeah perhaps its tweakable in the compile phase if it gets out of hand Apr 25 22:47:42 yeah i have a similar cache Apr 25 22:47:42 it is alterable, yeah Apr 25 22:47:49 every image i load via a cache proxy Apr 25 22:47:52 and its automatic Apr 25 22:48:13 * w00t_ is a bit amazed at how attentive people are Apr 25 22:48:15 is there any translation (.po) file out for PR1.2? Apr 25 22:48:18 I only wrote about this what, 2 hours ago? Apr 25 22:48:19 :P Apr 25 22:48:29 w00t_, :) you have found a neat optimization :) Apr 25 22:49:16 hearing lots of nice little things Apr 25 22:49:21 they should start to add up soon Apr 25 22:49:37 did you read about n00bmonk3ys python investigation? Apr 25 22:50:37 he removed blank lines and comments from his native python and saved 20% of startup time :) pure test only but shows the effect well Apr 25 22:51:57 it's weird how much more responsive my N900 is after reflashing it Apr 25 22:52:09 like any system Apr 25 22:52:48 even after installing all the same stuff Apr 25 22:53:04 Klowner: I'll hug you for not saying "after switching to OC-kernel" :-D Apr 25 22:53:05 like transition animations aren't all choptacular Apr 25 22:53:22 DocScrutinizer: heheh not OC kernel :) Apr 25 22:54:07 * DocScrutinizer hugs Klowner Apr 25 23:06:53 lcuk: (removing blank and comment) WTF? I always thought python is a JIT-compiling interpreter that uses .pyc or whatever it's called, and only checks if the python source is newer than the intermediate code Apr 25 23:08:02 I supose there's no comments and/or plank lines in .pyc Apr 25 23:08:10 blank lines* Apr 25 23:11:12 * GAN900 is now slightly less in debt to Jaffa. Apr 25 23:11:30 GAN900: does he just own your soul now and not your undying devotion? Apr 25 23:12:49 w00t_, well, probably both of those still, but I've started paying on the interest now! ;) Apr 25 23:12:57 * w00t_ grins Apr 25 23:13:05 I apparantly owe Stskeeps a bottle of vodka Apr 25 23:13:12 I think that's my only debt at present Apr 25 23:14:09 The good thing about owing somebody large sums of alcohol: they probably wont be able to drink it alone. Apr 25 23:14:31 true, but he's trying to lure me to a music festival in denmark to drink it Apr 25 23:14:34 not so hot Apr 25 23:14:38 hmmmm Apr 25 23:14:38 real 14m29.851s Apr 25 23:14:39 user 25m35.184s Apr 25 23:14:39 sys 10m27.475s Apr 25 23:15:03 14m on my server vs 19 minutes on builder Apr 25 23:15:47 Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user# ls -l /usr/share/python-support/private/pysupport.* Apr 25 23:15:48 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1576 Jan 28 21:20 /usr/share/python-support/private/pysupport.py Apr 25 23:15:50 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2089 Apr 23 20:03 /usr/share/python-support/private/pysupport.pyc Apr 25 23:15:50 * w00t_ wonders a bit at Qt's choice of paths at times: /src/corelib/tools/qlist.h - why the *hell* is qlist.h in /tools/ and not somewhere a bit more predictable, like /kernel/ or /global/ Apr 25 23:15:51 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2089 Apr 23 20:03 /usr/share/python-support/private/pysupport.pyo Apr 25 23:16:14 anyways Apr 25 23:16:16 good night Apr 25 23:18:10 could somebody enlighten me how blank lines and/or comments in a python script could slow down anything but very first invocation which creates .pyc/.pyo, please Apr 25 23:18:37 DocScrutinizer: ? Apr 25 23:19:06 w00t_: [2010-04-26 00:50:36] he removed blank lines and comments from his native python and saved 20% of startup time :) pure test only but shows the effect well Apr 25 23:19:33 strange, I'd wonder how it was measured (and across how many times) Apr 25 23:19:58 you bet me does as well Apr 25 23:25:18 also I'm quite scared (looking at example above) about a 1576byte python source creating TWO 2089byte intermediate code files (no those aren't sym- or hard-linked and yes they are *larger* than the original source) :-S Apr 25 23:26:01 any python crack in here to shed some light on this? Apr 25 23:44:16 DocScrutinizer: because this files include lot of information from imported files Apr 25 23:44:44 DocScrutinizer: and some typing predictions and lot of stuff that makes it faster when you run it Apr 25 23:46:22 DocScrutinizer: and pyo and pyc contains same thing except pyo is optimized Apr 25 23:57:44 jacekowski: thanks mate Apr 25 23:59:29 I'd suggest we should discard .pyc then. And make sure all python packages come with .pyo generated, otherwise we get delayed filesystem cram eventually Apr 26 00:00:21 boo Apr 26 00:00:27 waaah Apr 26 00:03:41 The level of optimization in a pyo is barely existing. It strips comments. Apr 26 00:05:08 first invocation creates pyc? does user have write perms? :) Apr 26 00:06:51 * DocScrutinizer sends a 'ssh N900@rasterman.com 'eject -T kbd_slide; sleep 0.5; eject -T kbd_slide' Apr 26 00:07:19 heh Apr 26 00:10:48 That should so work. Apr 26 00:12:03 luke-jr: https://launchpad.net/yandere - is that yours? Apr 26 00:12:50 yes, why? Apr 26 00:12:59 well, define 'yours'... Apr 26 00:17:38 jacekowski? Apr 26 00:17:52 i've been asked by somebody Apr 26 00:18:03 do you know anything about irc bot for that game? Apr 26 00:18:09 database schema and etc. Apr 26 00:18:44 no database required for the Supybot backend which I use Apr 26 00:19:01 for the Pharo backend, contact Nanobot/Bananobot Apr 26 00:19:13 for the Rubybot backend, contact Sir_Burpsalot/Shloosh Apr 26 00:20:09 anyhow, small world? how do you know ved? :P Apr 26 00:22:31 ~bananobot Apr 26 00:24:47 luke-jr: he told me that he already spoken with you about it Apr 26 00:24:57 luke-jr: different channel different network Apr 26 00:29:09 DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 Apr 26 00:30:03 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# lsof |grep bme Apr 26 00:33:08 lol Apr 26 00:34:46 pulseaudi 774 pulse mem REG 254,1 9716 5874 /usr/lib/libbmeipc.so.0 Apr 26 00:34:49 oi.O Apr 26 00:35:18 PA talking IPC to BME? Apr 26 00:35:29 why?? Apr 26 00:36:13 FFS that's scary Apr 26 00:38:26 * MohammadAG suddenly says Boo! Apr 26 00:39:17 i guess that explains why I saw bme talking over so many fd's Apr 26 00:39:32 * ShadowJK never checked who it was talking to Apr 26 00:42:39 Been away for a while (month). any signs of PR 1.2 ? Apr 26 00:43:22 except the SDK of course... Apr 26 00:43:40 well a month ago nokia brazil was going to release n900 in brazil with 1.2 Apr 26 00:44:07 last week nokia hk also said n900 will have 1.2 + hwr for hk Apr 26 00:44:12 iirc Apr 26 00:44:23 and has any of that came to fruition? Apr 26 00:44:42 whr? Apr 26 00:44:42 lol Apr 26 00:44:43 ho Apr 26 00:44:44 ph Apr 26 00:44:46 oh Apr 26 00:45:29 njsf_, they never give timetables ;) Apr 26 00:46:55 Is it my impression of the bugs fixed listed on the page has grown? Apr 26 00:47:02 for 1.2 I mean Apr 26 00:47:25 hrm, any useful video converters for the n900? got some 576p x264 encodes that it won't play Apr 26 00:47:40 njsf_, which page Apr 26 00:49:28 HK release is scheduled for Thu 29. Apr 26 00:50:38 which is so short into the future, I'd expect it won't get postponed for mare than, say 2 weeks ? ;-P Apr 26 00:50:52 more'* Apr 26 00:51:15 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 Apr 26 00:51:17 You can always do fake releases Apr 26 00:51:38 show device, then never ship it to any stores ;p Apr 26 00:52:52 lol Apr 26 00:53:06 ShadowJK, well, the press release said it would be available same day Apr 26 00:53:45 available for order i bet Apr 26 00:53:54 ShadowJK: the report though tells Nokia claims sales start same day on all local shops (OWTTE) Apr 26 00:54:18 ah well Apr 26 00:54:35 I guess this is where the serious fragmentation of maemo starts :) Apr 26 00:55:10 I'd not even be surprised to see PR1.2 hit the repos 1 or 2 days prior to that Apr 26 00:55:20 lol Apr 26 00:55:27 or 8 weeks later Apr 26 00:55:33 Hrm Apr 26 00:55:35 Mondays Apr 26 00:55:41 are usually update days Apr 26 00:55:55 Perhaps Tuesday this week Apr 26 00:56:01 * DocScrutinizer glances lower right of his screen, the date... Apr 26 00:57:13 last time it was 10am local i think Apr 26 00:57:30 I just hope it needs a saner amount of space in rootfs or that it adequately handles the case when apt-cache is on the /home fs Apr 26 00:57:49 (ubuntu does not, and on my netbook I can use it to do a dist-upgrade because of it) Apr 26 00:58:57 or 8 weeks later ROFL Apr 26 00:59:17 mondays, isn't that today? Apr 26 00:59:21 * DocScrutinizer points to PR1.1.1-EN Apr 26 00:59:40 * MohammadAG shows a ??? face Apr 26 00:59:48 GB-version Apr 26 00:59:52 oh I just noticed something in PR1.2 Apr 26 01:00:00 Update all is now a button in app manager Apr 26 01:00:05 delayed until it stsrted bitrotting Apr 26 01:01:34 is there a way to call the Virtual keyboard from terminal? Apr 26 01:03:20 microb supports right clicks o.O Apr 26 01:03:38 gnhnhnhnhaa Apr 26 01:04:49 why do I keep talking about PR1.2 changes Apr 26 01:05:07 http://i39.tinypic.com/2lmw19h.jpg Apr 26 01:08:46 another sore point for me is ovi suite. hope it starts syncing with 1.2 Apr 26 01:10:00 doubt it Apr 26 01:10:19 that sucks Apr 26 01:13:27 I don't really see a point in syncing Apr 26 01:13:30 I backup /home Apr 26 01:13:49 /home/user actually Apr 26 01:14:00 I need it because I don't have MfE over the air Apr 26 01:14:09 and I want my Exchange calendar Apr 26 01:14:14 mainly because flashing with PR1.2 clears /home/user (bug fixed) Apr 26 01:14:46 what bug... Apr 26 01:14:47 and no, I can't change that, because my employer uses exchange and that is not negotiable :( Apr 26 01:15:06 njsf_: specifically, they require a provisionable device, right? Apr 26 01:15:28 ShadowJK, this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 Apr 26 01:15:30 Bug 7432: /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash Apr 26 01:16:03 /opt is probably a bug Apr 26 01:16:09 lol true Apr 26 01:16:13 microlith: no more specifically I don't want to be bothered all the time with email, just to get the calendar sync before I go home and be able to review it at home to plan my day Apr 26 01:16:16 but not clearing /home/user is nice Apr 26 01:16:24 agreed Apr 26 01:16:29 I have my xchat logs there! Apr 26 01:16:30 njsf_: ahh Apr 26 01:17:14 clear /home/user at flashing rootfs??? W!T!F!!! Apr 26 01:17:41 glad I brought that up then Apr 26 01:17:47 sweet pr 1.2 is coming out this week Apr 26 01:17:59 let's chase down and burn whoever filed that bug Apr 26 01:18:19 dima202: no confirmation on that Apr 26 01:18:21 dima202: [citation needed] Apr 26 01:18:55 Well China is getting 1.2 N900s and I would assume so does the rest of the world? Apr 26 01:19:09 EXCEPT the UK (poor fellows) Apr 26 01:19:12 Assume nothing. Apr 26 01:19:23 that too Apr 26 01:19:36 * DocScrutinizer is going to clean and oil the M134 Apr 26 01:19:48 lol, I can't believe they had to take off the fm transmitter for chinese market :( Apr 26 01:19:56 DocScrutinizer, that's a gun right? :P Apr 26 01:20:19 dima202, well qwerty12 basically disabled their software disabled thingy Apr 26 01:20:25 (he's awesome xD) Apr 26 01:20:28 the right tool to fix "PR1.2-nuked-my-home" bug Apr 26 01:20:50 some users are soooo gonna get pissed Apr 26 01:20:59 * MohammadAG is one Apr 26 01:21:34 * njsf_ is another Apr 26 01:21:52 I'd hoped they would have delayed nuke-$HOME until the backup utility was fixed. Apr 26 01:22:22 and had been fixed for one firmware release before nuke home, I mean Apr 26 01:22:23 ShadowJK, they could've just changed flasher-3.5 Apr 26 01:22:32 add a --nuke-home parameter Apr 26 01:23:08 they could _at the very least_ move /home/user to /home/user.bak Apr 26 01:23:18 so that you could restore somewhat Apr 26 01:23:23 that's kind of impossible Apr 26 01:23:26 or at least not loose the data Apr 26 01:23:33 especially if it's like my N900 Apr 26 01:23:44 /home has 35MBs free Apr 26 01:24:05 so... it is enough for a move + an empty /home/user :) Apr 26 01:24:24 no Apr 26 01:24:24 it the objective is to clear... Apr 26 01:24:34 because there's a run once optification script Apr 26 01:24:38 as you can see from the bug Apr 26 01:24:40 MohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun Apr 26 01:25:31 MohammadAG: that would still be ok wrt to the optified stuff Apr 26 01:25:40 4000RPM Apr 26 01:25:55 but anyway, it is not worth to discuss since it is not happening Apr 26 01:26:01 DocScrutinizer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin Apr 26 01:27:27 * DocScrutinizer digs the arms chamber... "There *has* to be a couple of those...Somewhere..." Apr 26 01:28:03 XD Apr 26 01:28:13 DocScrutinizer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_22 my favorite Apr 26 01:28:30 helped me so much in Afghanistan Apr 26 01:28:39 in Modern Warfare 2 of course :P Apr 26 01:29:23 not impressive to adjust Nokia's attitude if they dare to 'clear /home/user' Apr 26 01:29:36 DocScrutinizer, well Apr 26 01:29:44 you do realize they might only clear /opt Apr 26 01:29:52 and the bug was mistyped Apr 26 01:30:38 DocScrutinizer, check our the script Apr 26 01:31:16 Bug 7432 Apr 26 01:31:17 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash Apr 26 01:31:46 DocScrutinizer, https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2499 Apr 26 01:32:08 btw I seen that one a few days ago, I preferred to forget it before it creeps into my nightmares Apr 26 01:33:32 anyways Apr 26 01:33:34 I'm off Apr 26 01:33:41 Night everyone Apr 26 01:33:51 * MohammadAG hopes to see a flashing ! tomorrow Apr 26 01:33:56 night MohammadAG Apr 26 01:34:14 moooooment again Apr 26 01:34:27 I hope so too Apr 26 01:34:59 has anybody else have had the issue of the themes not restoring after a reboot? Apr 26 01:36:20 heh, great. Either I got that wrong on first glance, or that script will copy the symlinks in /opt over the linked real files in /home/opt :-( Apr 26 01:39:34 * ShadowJK suspects a bind mount Apr 26 01:40:11 the bindmount will "bail out uncond" Apr 26 01:40:35 otherwise cp -a /opt/* /home/opt/ Apr 26 01:41:03 will result in a bunch of symlinks pointing at themselves Apr 26 01:41:09 aiui Apr 26 01:41:18 DocScrutinizer: in my case /opt is a symlink so in that case the script will do nothing Apr 26 01:41:25 for all pkgs already optified Apr 26 01:41:34 /opt will be a real directory on the rootfs Apr 26 01:42:07 probably with nokia software destined to love on emmc Apr 26 01:42:58 * ShadowJK further speculates that after rootfs /opt has been copied to /home/opt, n900 will boot up with /opt beind a bindmount of /home/opt Apr 26 01:43:04 amazing, /opt -> /home/opt Apr 26 01:43:05 I like software destined to love Apr 26 01:43:18 I haven't even noticed Apr 26 01:43:42 nevermind then Apr 26 01:43:51 imagine how complex the ssu for 1.2 must be :P Apr 26 01:44:00 but since the first step is to remove /home/opt we will end up with zilch :D Apr 26 01:44:41 and if after flash /opt is a real dir, then only that contents will be in /home/opt Apr 26 01:44:46 why /home? Apr 26 01:45:28 mv, Apr 26 01:45:30 nvm Apr 26 01:46:41 yes ShadowJK Apr 26 01:46:43 imagine Apr 26 01:46:46 hm Apr 26 01:47:33 trying to find a good game for the N900 Apr 26 01:49:05 * andres still doesnt understand why the partitioning was done like in 1.0 anyway. Its not like the problem wasnt visible. Apr 26 01:51:21 huh? Apr 26 01:52:20 Mace_N900: What kind of game? Apr 26 01:52:40 any good one haha Apr 26 01:53:00 i figure an n900 can outdo a ningtendo ds Apr 26 01:53:03 angry birds was fun Apr 26 01:53:15 http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/games/ Apr 26 01:53:25 Should keep you busy for a while ;) Apr 26 01:53:34 * lcuk plays chess Apr 26 01:54:03 * lcuk wishes he could play some swanky acceromter controlled snake Apr 26 01:54:12 accelerometer Apr 26 01:54:56 how is ur qwan? Apr 26 01:55:06 3DO? Apr 26 01:55:08 heh Apr 26 01:55:25 er.. ur quan Apr 26 01:56:17 try em - people like different things Apr 26 02:02:21 i wish someone would port a c&c type of game Apr 26 02:02:42 or a warcraft/starcraft kind of game Apr 26 02:03:04 that would be awesome.. especially if the could run with net support Apr 26 02:03:10 you can get Diablo for your n8x0 :D Apr 26 02:03:31 i hated diablo Apr 26 02:03:32 heh Apr 26 02:04:18 it didnt appeal to me.. i want a rts Apr 26 02:04:44 ask pupnik when hes next around Apr 26 02:04:55 you could run Dune 2 on UAE or something :) Apr 26 02:04:56 he has his ear to the ground about the best games Apr 26 02:05:16 haha Apr 26 02:05:44 well.. i remember there being an ok rts for the n810 Apr 26 02:06:08 i mean it wasnt spectacular.. but pretty good for what it wasx working with Apr 26 02:07:24 catorize is nice Apr 26 02:07:28 :) Apr 26 02:07:53 it'd been easier to setup /opt/ to work with as --prefix :/ Apr 26 02:07:53 so all this stuff isnt lumped together Apr 26 02:07:56 and more funcitonal Apr 26 02:08:27 battery gfraph is qt based Apr 26 02:08:31 graph Apr 26 02:08:34 neat Apr 26 02:17:43 anyone know a newbie c# compiling site or irc chat? Apr 26 02:21:05 catorize basically is crap Apr 26 02:21:34 as user can't easily sort as he likes. Apr 26 02:22:11 c'mon, one calculator under 'office', the other one under 'science', or similar nonsense Apr 26 02:27:17 rearrangeable icons is the right way to go (hail PR1.2). I only wish they hadn't nuked the more... subfolder, rather make it renameable and have arbitrary number of them Apr 26 02:32:23 -6C... Apr 26 02:32:29 finland :-( Apr 26 02:34:56 hi everybody, I am now just studying how memory management mechanism of maemo, where can I find information? Apr 26 02:43:14 anyone ? Apr 26 02:53:56 well, unfortunately I have to go, if anyone can answer in the list of users, many thanks! bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 26 02:59:56 2010