**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 02:59:56 2010 Apr 29 03:16:28 ok so ive got the cifs module and ntfs modules installed, what package do i need for mount.cifs ? i cant seem to find a package containing it Apr 29 03:21:33 nevermind, the one in the qole.org folder that KMFDM posted before works fine Apr 29 03:40:38 Moaning maemo :) Apr 29 03:41:56 morning wazd Apr 29 03:41:57 echo Apr 29 03:42:24 c ho ho o Apr 29 03:43:16 Stskeeps: already awake? :) Apr 29 03:43:46 since an hour :-S Apr 29 03:43:52 wazd_e63: driving to denmark Apr 29 03:44:00 left at 4am my time Apr 29 03:44:12 Stskeeps: omg :( Apr 29 03:45:10 Stskeeps: and I have 2 more hours of my awful trip to spb :) Apr 29 03:45:26 Stskeeps: enjoy your day. tomorrow ot seems we get a rainy europe Apr 29 03:48:01 DocScrutinizer: i will get the full danish experience too Apr 29 03:48:11 wazd_e63: any special reason for spb trip? Apr 29 03:49:16 Stskeeps: well, I'm heading to Fruct seminar to meet Jeremiah and Hopbeat mostly :) Apr 29 03:50:21 ~xyawn Apr 29 03:50:22 ah - say hi Apr 29 03:50:23 [xyawn] nap Apr 29 03:50:37 Stskeeps: sure :) Apr 29 03:52:20 Stskeeps: also I want to hear myself how could live wallpapers possibly lose the contest Apr 29 03:52:49 Stskeeps: cause Tatyana is really upset bout that Apr 29 03:53:03 hi parasight Apr 29 03:53:33 lol Apr 29 03:54:03 Nokia survey: "Do you use the on-screen keyboard?" "No" "You have indicated that you use the on-screen keyboard, how would you rate..." Apr 29 03:54:38 haha Apr 29 03:54:46 Crashanddie: "let's imagine you are" :) Apr 29 03:56:46 parasight: congrats on gsoc! I'm doing the page reader app. Apr 29 03:57:08 wazd_e63: :nod: i dislike competitions myself, doesn't tell enough about your level Apr 29 03:57:19 Stskeeps: you're driving and IRCing at the same time? Apr 29 03:58:13 Crashanddie: "how would you rate IRC'ing while driving on n900" :D Apr 29 03:58:35 * dmj726 maneuvers his car away from Stskeeps. Apr 29 03:58:43 :P Apr 29 03:58:50 is there a way to swap the hardware kbd's blue keys for Z and C with other characters? Would be quite useful to have ~ and | instead, as i doubt ill ever use the current ones Apr 29 03:59:34 Psi: there is layout editor for n900 as I recall Apr 29 03:59:45 crashanddie: and collecting points for running over people in this game i have on my n900, interfacing with airbag sensors Apr 29 04:01:15 yay, I'm not the only one here who uses his NIT while driving! Apr 29 04:01:22 (my wife is driving) Apr 29 04:02:14 Stskeeps: the best game for you is "Karmageddon" :D Apr 29 04:02:19 oh, boo Apr 29 04:02:53 "Here is a list of various statements. Please indicate for each one how much you agree or disagree. 1 = strongly disagree - 4 = strongly agree" Apr 29 04:03:07 and the rating bars go from 0 to 4 Apr 29 04:03:12 so 0 is "infinitely disagree"? Apr 29 04:03:51 id suppose 0 is like "i dont know" Apr 29 04:03:51 Crashanddie: 0 = "lolwut?" Apr 29 04:03:59 0 is "you have to pay me for my opinion" Apr 29 04:04:39 they should've spent less time on the design, and more on the function Apr 29 04:05:53 Crashanddie: I think they just need to spend more time on function :) Cause design was made by different people :) Apr 29 04:06:58 crashanddie: work therapy for the volunteers Apr 29 04:08:14 * Psi crosses fingers and installs mc from extras-devel Apr 29 04:08:41 what, you're bored. Go make a survey on the web! And bring me a coffee Apr 29 04:08:52 "Holding this device and looking at it feels enjoyable. " Apr 29 04:09:07 Crashanddie: sick Apr 29 04:09:07 heh Apr 29 04:09:22 I cum everytime my eyes flutter across the room and the gods bless me with being allowed to watch it once more Apr 29 04:11:11 sacry to think they might actually base future designs on those results Apr 29 04:11:57 http://maemo.nokia.com/survey//assets/images/header-userprofile.png Apr 29 04:12:03 who the hell has kurt cobain as a profile picture? Apr 29 04:12:28 why not? :-P Apr 29 04:12:43 User: I would have fewer friends if I did not have a mobile phone Apr 29 04:12:48 What kind of statement is that? Apr 29 04:12:58 LOOOL Apr 29 04:13:03 Stskeeps: the problem is not so much in level showcase, but in really biased results. Python alarmclock, seriously Apr 29 04:13:40 "I spend more and more time taking care of myself, in order to feel good" Apr 29 04:13:58 now you're kidding Apr 29 04:14:00 Crashanddie: sick^2 Apr 29 04:14:13 wazd_e63: well, that was my personal opinion of competitions :) Apr 29 04:14:34 Crashanddie: I'd ask bout that nokia today :D Apr 29 04:14:34 morning Apr 29 04:14:50 OK, now it's getting ridiculous Apr 29 04:14:55 Here is a list of activities. For each one, please indicate how often you engage in it: Apr 29 04:15:00 Crashanddie: how much they care bout themselves in order to feel good :D Apr 29 04:15:07 Going out with a group of friends Apr 29 04:15:10 Slonopotamus: heya Apr 29 04:15:38 crashanddie: you errandly switched from Nokia.com to noksnes-anonymous.org? Apr 29 04:15:59 option a: "Everyday, or nearly 1-3 times a week" option b: "1-3 times a week", option c: "1-3 times a month" option d:"less often" option e: "never" Apr 29 04:16:49 what happens if you're between 12 times a month, and 3 times a month? Apr 29 04:16:56 that's a massive gap Apr 29 04:17:15 especially, when you compare the gap between "nearly 1-3 times a week" and "1-3 times a week" Apr 29 04:17:30 yeah Apr 29 04:17:52 honestly, this is the result of finding a task for bored volunteers Apr 29 04:18:35 The main question is "how the hell this is connected with n900" :) Apr 29 04:19:08 "how often do you brush your teeth?" Apr 29 04:19:22 Well, actually it helps trending the phone... Apr 29 04:19:32 your granny been schizoid? Apr 29 04:19:56 If everyone who completes the survey says they play video games on a daily basis, and never go out with friends... Apr 29 04:19:59 they know they've hit the geek market Apr 29 04:20:08 Docscrutinizer: tell us more bout your relationships in school Apr 29 04:20:19 Additional remarks: "Please define the word "friends"" Apr 29 04:20:40 yay, not it starts to get silly Apr 29 04:20:47 now* Apr 29 04:20:49 'my facebook friends' Apr 29 04:20:58 Nha, that was my comment :P Apr 29 04:20:59 For geeks Apr 29 04:21:06 aah Apr 29 04:21:06 My imagined friends Apr 29 04:21:16 Aw :( Apr 29 04:21:38 I'd love to hack the system Apr 29 04:21:46 and just put questions like "How often do you have your period?" Apr 29 04:21:50 "Have you been late recently?" Apr 29 04:22:08 "How many sexual partners do you have currently?" Apr 29 04:22:25 "Do you believe that the N900 is increasing your sexual performance or appetite?" Apr 29 04:23:09 "If you had to choose between snog, screw, mary, what would you select for Quim Gil?" Apr 29 04:23:32 yay DarwinSurvivor! Apr 29 04:23:43 DarwinSurvivor: is that the OS or the city? Apr 29 04:24:05 uhhh, actually a reference to Charles Darwin's theory.... Apr 29 04:24:18 ... that was obvious -.- Apr 29 04:24:19 or did i just get whooshed? Apr 29 04:24:21 crashanddie: go to bed Apr 29 04:24:32 Crashanddie: fail :) Apr 29 04:24:43 I wooshed the whole channel apparently Apr 29 04:24:46 * DarwinSurvivor is confused Apr 29 04:24:47 Boss: "I want to know exactly who our customers are, do they like the N900, do they have friends, what do they do for leissure time" - - CR-dude: .oO('I'll give you 'Who they are') Volunteers, here's a job for you! Apr 29 04:24:56 DarwinSurvivor: crashanddie is acting manic or something Apr 29 04:25:02 I am? Apr 29 04:25:04 ok Apr 29 04:25:11 DarwinSurvivor: before you joined, he was talking about the N900 affecting sexual performance... Apr 29 04:25:22 uh huh Apr 29 04:25:39 i would say crashanddie 's just crashanddie :P Apr 29 04:25:45 oh yeah, i've been sleeping/waking my laptop, guess i've signed in/out a *few* times :P Apr 29 04:26:01 No, I was talking about how I would like to screw with people taking the Nokia survey Apr 29 04:26:12 crashanddie: the thought entered your mind Apr 29 04:26:14 luke-jr: please don't misquote Apr 29 04:26:15 that alone is enough Apr 29 04:26:24 I didn't quote Apr 29 04:26:27 I just mentioned the topic :P Apr 29 04:26:33 there's a lot more entering my mind Apr 29 04:26:47 Be happy those others things aren't being transferred onto IRC Apr 29 04:26:52 [23:22:25] "Do you believe that the N900 is increasing your sexual performance or appetite?" Apr 29 04:26:56 that's a quote Apr 29 04:27:06 yes, and notice my quotes in that quote ;) Apr 29 04:27:12 double quoted! Apr 29 04:27:13 <.< Apr 29 04:27:27 [] <--- get out Apr 29 04:27:35 ..... Apr 29 04:27:52 Stskeeps: btw: pizza Apr 29 04:27:53 ~... Apr 29 04:27:54 [... = and your point is] or [... = go on] Apr 29 04:28:10 ~..... Apr 29 04:28:12 i heard .... is a bong! Filled with one kg! Apr 29 04:28:16 -.- Apr 29 04:28:19 luke-jr: i wish Apr 29 04:28:20 o_O Apr 29 04:28:22 ~-.- Apr 29 04:28:36 ~o_O Apr 29 04:28:37 from memory, o_o is some fucking creepy-arse eyes. o_O O_o Apr 29 04:28:42 LOL Apr 29 04:28:45 lmao Apr 29 04:28:47 ]_[ Apr 29 04:28:50 :D Apr 29 04:28:53 does the n900 actually have an ir transmitter? Apr 29 04:28:58 yes Apr 29 04:29:06 i'm trying to figure out how to program this thing as an MCE remote :) Apr 29 04:29:09 that woudl be awesome Apr 29 04:29:13 no receiver though Apr 29 04:29:22 crashanddie: why not? Apr 29 04:29:34 that's fine.. if i can use it as a remote that was more than i would actually use it for haha Apr 29 04:29:36 lolwut? Apr 29 04:29:44 never knwo when you are going to lose a rmote Apr 29 04:29:46 remote Apr 29 04:29:46 luke-jr: wut? Apr 29 04:29:48 Macer: without a receiver, you need to manually enter the codes Apr 29 04:29:58 luke-jr: they have databases Apr 29 04:30:03 Macer: good for them Apr 29 04:30:05 I don't Apr 29 04:30:06 :p Apr 29 04:30:10 heh Apr 29 04:30:22 it downloads straight into it Apr 29 04:30:26 crashanddie: pizza Apr 29 04:30:27 you can just download remote types Apr 29 04:30:35 Macer: without the receiver you need to manualy change bits in the processor Apr 29 04:30:46 Macer: with screwdriver :D Apr 29 04:30:53 wazd_e63: haa Apr 29 04:31:20 i am just trying to get it to send ir codes in the form of an MCE remote Apr 29 04:31:23 that would be nice Apr 29 04:31:24 But I still wonder why no receiver Apr 29 04:31:27 DocScrutinizer51: having fun flooding? Apr 29 04:31:44 huh? Apr 29 04:31:48 if it had a receiver, you could link with GameBoy Color Apr 29 04:31:57 I'm not the one who wrote the IRC RFC Apr 29 04:32:03 DocScrutinizer: IRC RFC works fine Apr 29 04:32:19 also, FreeNode doesn't comply with it Apr 29 04:32:27 Luke-jr: and it would be, like, 2 cents more expensive Apr 29 04:32:28 neither do you Apr 29 04:32:53 DocScrutinizer: the RFC says nicknames are limited to 11 characters. COMPLY Apr 29 04:33:12 Well, I really hope *I* do NOT comply with IRC RFC Apr 29 04:34:22 am i like supposed to turn the ir on or something? :) Apr 29 04:34:29 Macer: yes Apr 29 04:34:37 and drain your battery Apr 29 04:34:42 qtirreco doesn't seem to be working Apr 29 04:34:47 luke-jr: that's fine Apr 29 04:34:54 just for testing purposes i can deal with a draining battery Apr 29 04:35:02 qt ir reco suggests it's for recording Apr 29 04:35:06 which requires a receiver Apr 29 04:35:08 which N900 lacks Apr 29 04:35:10 so you fail Apr 29 04:35:24 * luke-jr glares Apr 29 04:35:52 oh? Apr 29 04:35:54 wazd_e63: not exactly 2ct. But yes, they *could* have added a receiver Apr 29 04:36:04 Daaaamn, one more hour of boring trip Apr 29 04:36:04 Entertain me :) Apr 29 04:36:04 i just figured you used it as an actual remote Apr 29 04:36:11 since it has downloadable remotes already Apr 29 04:36:19 wazd_e63: pizza Apr 29 04:36:21 i'm trying an xbox360 using my ms pc receiver Apr 29 04:36:35 Luke-jr: aaaaaaww Apr 29 04:36:47 wazd_e63: google for cheap IrDA dongles! Apr 29 04:36:56 Macer: yeah, i had the same thing happen, qtirreco just stopped working for no reason Apr 29 04:36:56 wazd_e63: next time use a teleporter Apr 29 04:36:58 Docscrutinizer: well, ok, 3 ct. :) Apr 29 04:37:24 scope says its outputting some IR, but its very weak and not anything like a remote code Apr 29 04:37:33 wazd_e63: that's $30k if they sell a million Apr 29 04:37:57 wazd_e63: more like 50 - which results in +2bucks on the sales price of the device Apr 29 04:38:19 Psi: that sucks Apr 29 04:38:19 DocScrutinizer: it should result in +50c on the sale price :p Apr 29 04:38:20 ah well Apr 29 04:38:25 was one of those things anyways ;) Apr 29 04:38:27 Luke-jr: well, I wanted to fly to spb, but getting from airport to the city is a really horrible experience Apr 29 04:38:32 like.. remote is across teh room but i have my phone Apr 29 04:38:34 haha Apr 29 04:38:38 anyhow, I suspect neither of you are factoring in R&D required to integrate it Apr 29 04:38:40 Macer: there's some irrecco thing Apr 29 04:38:48 Macer: yeah, im not sure whats going on Apr 29 04:39:03 luke-jr: nope. You have a factor of ~*2.5..4 between BOM and sales Apr 29 04:39:25 DocScrutinizer: I call that scamming Apr 29 04:39:51 Docscrutinizer: 2 bucks? Ohmygod, it would become 1002! :( Apr 29 04:39:57 Docscrutinizer: screw that then :) Apr 29 04:40:01 I call that overhead for handling, QA, R&D etc Apr 29 04:40:07 Stskeeps: ? Apr 29 04:40:13 some irrecco thing? Apr 29 04:40:31 DocScrutinizer: adding IR doesn't affect handling, at least :P Apr 29 04:40:33 i'm jjust uninstalling it heh Apr 29 04:40:33 YAY o/ GeneralAntilles Apr 29 04:40:40 wb gan Apr 29 04:40:48 * GeneralAntilles off in Windows 7 land playing SCII Apr 29 04:40:52 Hello gan Apr 29 04:41:04 GeneralAntilles: how dare thee Apr 29 04:41:09 don't zerg us Apr 29 04:41:13 GeneralAntilles: any good? Apr 29 04:41:23 crashanddie, fairly good. Apr 29 04:41:34 GeneralAntilles: why not play it on your mac? Apr 29 04:41:35 crashanddie, I lost all of my RTS skills a while ago, though. Apr 29 04:41:37 Crashanddie: AI is too smart :) Apr 29 04:41:38 luke-jr: sorry I'm not fully awake, so not much humor (if I ever got any) - handling of the additional sourcing, the incrrased nr of components etc pp Apr 29 04:41:43 crashanddie, beta for Mac is coming next week, apparently. Apr 29 04:41:52 Crashanddie: you should be korean to win :) Apr 29 04:42:03 StarCraft 2 beta Mac client out now‎ - Joystiq (blog) Apr 29 04:42:09 fail Apr 29 04:42:14 glob2 ftw Apr 29 04:42:25 hm Apr 29 04:42:26 GeneralAntilles: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/29/starcraft-2-beta-mac-client-out-now/ Apr 29 04:42:37 trying to find out how to stop the cam from opening when i open the lens Apr 29 04:42:37 anyone ported glob2 to N900? :P Apr 29 04:42:43 i know i saw it somewhere Apr 29 04:42:53 Macer: rm /usr/bin/camera ? Apr 29 04:43:08 Macer: big-ass magnet Apr 29 04:43:15 crashanddie: haha Apr 29 04:43:20 luke-jr: uhm no Apr 29 04:43:23 anyone happen to know the xkb symbol name for tilde? Apr 29 04:43:25 crashanddie, well, shit. Apr 29 04:43:29 luke-jr: did you get an n900 yet? Apr 29 04:43:36 Macer: dunno, did you order one for me? Apr 29 04:43:50 Hooray, qgil! Apr 29 04:43:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632566#post632566 Apr 29 04:44:06 GeneralAntilles: don't tell me you bought win7 to play SC2 Apr 29 04:44:09 heh. it's ok. i know that lawyer is probably costing quite a bit.. i've been there Apr 29 04:44:18 anyways. let me keep looking.. i know i saw it somewhere :) Apr 29 04:44:49 Macer: I only have to pay the filing fee :) Apr 29 04:45:03 hah Apr 29 04:45:09 we'll see Apr 29 04:45:11 Shit, the Mac beta gained about 1.2GB. Apr 29 04:45:15 wait until she gets nasty Apr 29 04:45:20 and Blizzard's downloader is just as slow as ever. Apr 29 04:45:20 "HP set to acquire Palm in $1.2 billion deal" Apr 29 04:45:27 Macer: my wife is onboard for the ride Apr 29 04:45:34 and you start tugging at kids' arms Apr 29 04:45:39 Good, good, that will be the karmic punishment for destroying DIGITAL =) Apr 29 04:45:42 and she starts thinking about surviving off child support :) Apr 29 04:45:47 Rst38h: [:/\/\:] Apr 29 04:45:47 anyways.. i have to find this setting Apr 29 04:45:50 it has to be somewhere Apr 29 04:45:51 Macer: she couldn't get child support. I have full custody. Apr 29 04:45:55 wazd: reHeya Apr 29 04:45:56 RST38h, who would pay $1.2 billion for Palm? Apr 29 04:45:58 if anyone got child support, it'd be me Apr 29 04:45:59 Rst38h: morning :) Apr 29 04:46:00 (aside from HP) Apr 29 04:46:01 liar Apr 29 04:46:09 General: Well....true :) Apr 29 04:46:20 ok, full minus her supervised visitation Apr 29 04:46:47 GeneralAntilles: sony? :) Apr 29 04:47:58 oh, I think the n900 quim shipped me 30 days ago finally got here Apr 29 04:48:04 * RST38h kinda hoped Lenovo would swallow Palm and then belly up, but the post-Fiorina HP should be good enough Apr 29 04:48:11 Quim is sending people N900s?? Apr 29 04:48:20 it was a replacement Apr 29 04:48:38 aww Apr 29 04:49:46 rm_you, at 11:49 PM? Apr 29 04:49:52 ok, its working now, if anyone else wants to swap the keys 'sterling' and 'eurosign' for tilde and bar the correct names are asciitilde and bar Apr 29 04:50:24 GeneralAntilles: no, at like noon today Apr 29 04:50:26 in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 file Apr 29 04:50:27 but i was asleep Apr 29 04:50:29 so i missed it Apr 29 04:50:32 lol Apr 29 04:50:35 redelivering tomorrow Apr 29 04:50:46 yep that was it Apr 29 04:50:51 looked up the tracking number on the slip they left Apr 29 04:50:52 * GeneralAntilles got a case of wine today, the UPS driver carded me. :( Apr 29 04:51:00 Wednesday, April 28, 2010 at 13:00 Apr 29 04:51:01 Helsinki - Finland - San Antonio, TX - USA Apr 29 04:51:05 :P Apr 29 04:51:17 LOL so i guess emailing him was good Apr 29 04:51:18 cause Apr 29 04:51:24 they shipped it out two days ago Apr 29 04:51:31 rm_you, fricken told you. :P Apr 29 04:51:33 not last month Apr 29 04:51:34 lol Apr 29 04:51:37 yeah lolol Apr 29 04:51:42 wonder what happened Apr 29 04:51:53 it was pizza Apr 29 04:51:58 Hey, I had to get him to bring me my Fixed in Fremantle shirt in person Apr 29 04:52:02 pizza distracted them Apr 29 04:52:05 I think Quim is just afraid of the post office. Apr 29 04:52:24 * luke-jr doesn't even know where the post office is Apr 29 04:52:40 lol Apr 29 04:52:55 The last post office I was at is quite a few miles away from me Apr 29 04:53:37 he said, quote, "I forwarded your details and one replacement device to [ Apr 29 04:53:37 our assistant]. I'm not the bottleneck anymore!" on the 25th of last month :P Apr 29 04:53:50 err, weird linebreak Apr 29 04:53:53 the only t-shirt I have is "penguins" one) Apr 29 04:54:07 so soon i will actually be able to test Apr 29 04:54:27 right now still looking at getting Quasar running on Maemo5, inbetween job interviews Apr 29 04:56:31 wazd_e63, weird one. Apr 29 04:56:43 I'm slowly increasing my collection. Apr 29 04:57:37 The "Fork You" shirt Chris DiBona nearly hit me in the head with is more of a battle trophy. :P Apr 29 04:58:32 i wonder how quickly we see a n1 meego port Apr 29 04:59:29 Stskeeps: you mean n8? :) Apr 29 04:59:54 Stskeeps: or you know what we don't know? :) Apr 29 05:00:50 nexus one Apr 29 05:01:21 GeneralAntilles: well, at least it has big-ass "MAEMO" label on it :) Apr 29 05:01:24 Stskeeps: aaahh Apr 29 05:01:37 Stskeeps, soon! So I don't have to sell it. Apr 29 05:05:02 wazd: http://echo.msk.ru/news/675512-echo.html Apr 29 05:05:12 * RST38h rotfls slightly Apr 29 05:06:38 Rst38h: well, it seems reasonable in russia Apr 29 05:07:10 Rst38h: but AOL is celebrating heavily I'm sure Apr 29 05:07:19 wazd: Yep. Exactly. Apr 29 05:07:33 freggles - I seem to have to install a clean system. Since this brick came retour from repair service, xchat ping-timeouts every 5 minutes Apr 29 05:07:44 rst38h: pool diving, naked chicks, schamp :D Apr 29 05:07:56 RST38h: that's a seriously crap website Apr 29 05:08:11 wazd: money pool diving! Apr 29 05:08:22 Rst38h: yep :) Apr 29 05:09:32 In related news: "Because of Kerner's alleged sexual activities with other men and animals, the informant, who had dated the woman, and his Jack Russell terrier both contracted sexually transmitted diseases" Apr 29 05:09:33 Rst38h: agent@mail.ru is kinda popular service btw :) Apr 29 05:09:40 RST38h: thank god for google chrome's autotranslate <_< Apr 29 05:09:55 i liked ICQ <_< Apr 29 05:09:59 then AOL took it over Apr 29 05:10:05 nooooo Apr 29 05:10:07 wazd: no way I am using that one though Apr 29 05:10:09 how will that work now? since the aol/icq accounts are merged Apr 29 05:10:19 also, ICQ is entirely russian spammers already Apr 29 05:10:23 rm_you: accounts will become unmerged I guess :) Apr 29 05:10:24 i guess russia can have it Apr 29 05:10:24 Rst38h: well, we're geeks :) Apr 29 05:10:36 ICQ used to be seriously fun Apr 29 05:10:42 that SUCKS Apr 29 05:10:50 It was the first IM system i ever used (well, not-counting IRC) Apr 29 05:10:56 when i sign onto ICQ i get more russian spam in a day than i get legitimate messages in a year Apr 29 05:10:57 rm_you: I never had an AOL account, just an ICQ one Apr 29 05:11:07 rm_you: Never used their absolutely horrible client either Apr 29 05:11:08 yeah, iCQ was my first IM Apr 29 05:11:10 back YEARS ago Apr 29 05:11:14 i loved their horrible client :P Apr 29 05:11:19 though the number system as username was horrible Apr 29 05:11:23 i think 13 years ago i started using it Apr 29 05:11:26 my ICQ is 10902120 Apr 29 05:11:28 and the "oh-oh" when you got a new message :P Apr 29 05:11:30 if that means anything to anyone Apr 29 05:11:36 still remember it Apr 29 05:11:43 wazd: mail.ru will sell your email account password to the highest bidder =) Apr 29 05:11:44 * Trizt start icq spamming Apr 29 05:12:03 Rst38h: :D Apr 29 05:12:06 rm_you: Weirdly, I rarely get spammed on ICQ Apr 29 05:12:09 However, there was this amazing feature in ICQ, back in the mid-90s, that just blew other IM systems out of the water Apr 29 05:12:14 You could leave a message to someone who was offline Apr 29 05:12:14 odd Apr 29 05:12:22 Every now and then, but definitely way less than via email Apr 29 05:12:42 * DocScrutinizer frowns at xchat on N900 Apr 29 05:13:35 I want to move all my friends to jabber but they're too lazy :( Apr 29 05:13:37 * DocScrutinizer wonders if that's related to any of the xchat changes of the last 3 months Apr 29 05:13:52 (the timeouts that is) Apr 29 05:14:15 wazd: YOu should pay them! Apr 29 05:14:40 Rst38h: oh :( Apr 29 05:14:59 DocScrutinizer; I haven't noticed any, but then I'm not usually logged in more than a hour at any time Apr 29 05:15:13 Woo, 20 minutes left! Apr 29 05:15:26 Time runs fast in good company :) Apr 29 05:15:27 rosiska uchen znakhodyt hroshi na oplatu druziv Apr 29 05:15:49 Crashanddie: what the hell was that? :) Apr 29 05:16:09 Crashanddie: simlish? :D Apr 29 05:16:11 a failed attempt at ukrainian probably :P Apr 29 05:16:52 DocS: Yea, I broke it. Apr 29 05:17:31 Battery dies fast in good company :) Apr 29 05:17:32 wazd_e63: isn't druzya or druzyei friends in ukrainian/russian? Apr 29 05:17:44 In the meanwhile, Eldar is having another tantrum. What drama! Apr 29 05:17:50 Crashanddie: yep Apr 29 05:17:52 Trizt: I'll probably try to gather the old version from my backup. Let's see if it's related to a weird fsckng system firmware they installed at repair shop or at Nokia repair center, or it's caused by any of the newer xchat versions which I all avoided due to my dislike of the notification crap Apr 29 05:17:59 crashanddia: druz'ya Apr 29 05:18:27 russki uchenik is "russian student", right? Apr 29 05:18:37 Crashanddie: Apr 29 05:18:43 rst38h: yeah, he's really insane Apr 29 05:18:59 wazd_e63: ? Apr 29 05:19:00 Rst38h: not just stupid, but mentally insane Apr 29 05:19:12 Crashanddie: not you, Eldar :D Apr 29 05:19:15 RST38h: link? Apr 29 05:19:23 yeah yeah, I got that Apr 29 05:19:31 you just said my name on an empty line :P Apr 29 05:19:32 wazd: Wants to take Nokia to court because one of Nokia employees "claimed he has an illegally obtain nokia property" Apr 29 05:19:53 crashanddie: it's in Russian, and pretty long. Apr 29 05:19:59 well, a proto is property of nokia Apr 29 05:20:05 k Apr 29 05:20:13 Stskeeps: He claims that was libel =) Apr 29 05:20:57 Rst38h: yeah, I've already read that, loled alot Apr 29 05:20:57 Crashanddie: in bad russian :D Apr 29 05:21:30 wazd_e63: russki uchenik (finds?) sredsta platit druz'ya Apr 29 05:21:46 russian/ukrainian is so god damn difficult Apr 29 05:22:24 All of that, just for a joke on "[15:14] wazd: YOu should pay them!" Apr 29 05:22:39 * RST38h wonders what kind of mind altering substance Eldar is consuming Apr 29 05:23:13 Rst38h: btw, isn't he supporting crime when accepting protos form any manufacturer? Apr 29 05:23:14 Crashanddie: what are you trying to say?) Apr 29 05:23:31 Russian student finds money to pay friends? Apr 29 05:23:40 or let's try a decent triage... Apr 29 05:23:52 Seems to claim that he single-handedly lowered Nokia's shares at the stock xchange Apr 29 05:24:08 Crashanddie: then russkij student @ Apr 29 05:24:09 wazd: Not really Apr 29 05:24:20 wazd: Accepting a proto is not a crime :) Apr 29 05:24:22 oops Apr 29 05:25:00 wazd: Besides, the legal part is completely irrelevant here, who cares, when the psychiatric aspect is so funny? =) Apr 29 05:25:04 RST38h: but having one without a loan agreement is possibly a crime :P Apr 29 05:25:05 Crashanddie: russkij student nahodit den'gi 4toby platit' druz'yam :D Apr 29 05:25:23 Stskeeps: There is a plenty of situation where you can end up with one Apr 29 05:25:25 aww Apr 29 05:25:28 I wasn't that far off :P Apr 29 05:25:32 Rst38h: true :) Apr 29 05:25:32 You could've understood :d Apr 29 05:25:47 Stskeeps: And the loan agreement is not federally enforced, it is simply a paper you sign with the company Apr 29 05:25:59 Stskeeps: So, civil lawsuit at best, and even that is questionable Apr 29 05:26:15 I moved countries, they can try to sue me :P Apr 29 05:26:17 any signs of pr1.2 in HK? Apr 29 05:26:18 first they have to find me :D Apr 29 05:27:12 trumee: none whatsoever Apr 29 05:27:33 incredible Apr 29 05:27:38 crashanddie: not good. Apr 29 05:27:48 trumee; you said late last night Friday for HK release and it's still Thursday over there Apr 29 05:28:33 is it friday anywhere in the world? Apr 29 05:28:53 Trizt: i thought it was thursday for HK release? Apr 29 05:28:55 Trizt: no need to google, answer is no :P Apr 29 05:29:05 trumee: I heard friday Apr 29 05:29:06 crashanddie; depends on how drunk you have been the past week ;) Apr 29 05:29:24 Trizt: hey, I'm not missing friday, it's my last day at work Apr 29 05:29:38 RST38h: were there any changes to the timers or lagometer or any faintly related stuff, on xchat during last 3 or 4 months? Apr 29 05:29:42 crashanddie; should I congrat you? Apr 29 05:29:50 oh yeah Apr 29 05:30:03 crashanddie; congrats :) Apr 29 05:30:05 crashanddie: my bad then. Apr 29 05:30:25 trumee: there's a thread on tmo that documents it Apr 29 05:30:32 trumee: some others were expecting it today Apr 29 05:30:40 so there may be some wrong info circulating? Apr 29 05:30:48 Or it might be today, and Nokia failing again Apr 29 05:30:51 (and my info being wrong, etc) Apr 29 05:31:36 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632555#post632555 Apr 29 05:32:20 Woo, I'm in spb :) Apr 29 05:32:23 or it's a big hoax Apr 29 05:33:43 the 'origina' blog said "Thu 29." Apr 29 05:34:16 in Europe? Apr 29 05:34:19 in the US? Apr 29 05:34:24 meanwhile it's quite into the afternoon at HK Apr 29 05:34:26 on Mars Apr 29 05:34:31 On earth? :) Apr 29 05:34:32 I mean, it's still Wed. 28th in the US Apr 29 05:34:49 DocScrutinizer; it's just half past one Apr 29 05:34:58 on mars? Apr 29 05:34:58 Sweet Apr 29 05:35:00 how's your ping Apr 29 05:35:01 ? Apr 29 05:35:08 Crashanddie: almost 10 am here :) Apr 29 05:35:23 crashanddie; ~8min Apr 29 05:35:33 wazd_e63: yeah, but you're not in an interesting part of the world Apr 29 05:36:04 god I'm so fecking bored Apr 29 05:36:31 trumee; you can keep an eye on nokia.com.hk if you want to see if they release the phone in HK Apr 29 05:37:23 phone? Apr 29 05:37:37 I thought y'all were talking 1.2? Apr 29 05:37:38 :S Apr 29 05:37:45 world clock in irc, how handy Apr 29 05:39:08 trizt: what phone? Apr 29 05:39:40 hmm... Apr 29 05:39:52 hmm... Apr 29 05:39:53 I'm passing by some Half Life 2 decorations... Apr 29 05:40:13 Hmm... Apr 29 05:40:16 * FIQ starts to think PR1.2 will not be released before summer Apr 29 05:40:45 Fiq: before summer in antarctica :D Apr 29 05:41:02 ofc Apr 29 05:41:29 Ok, I'm out, cya later :) Apr 29 05:42:17 hmm Apr 29 05:42:28 my DS is broken Apr 29 05:42:47 need to get a new handheld console Apr 29 05:43:02 do you suggest i should wait for 3DS or go for Pandora Apr 29 05:43:03 ? Apr 29 05:43:08 -enter Apr 29 05:43:55 as that thing seems to actually be released soon Apr 29 05:43:58 tybollt; the n900, trumee thinks the pr1.2 would be released with it Apr 29 05:44:02 FIQ, that seems like a very dependent question Apr 29 05:44:11 Do you like polished games and being able to play easily? Apr 29 05:44:19 Because the Pandora is likely to offer neither Apr 29 05:44:32 well Apr 29 05:44:32 Lots of emulator stuff that will take a fair bit of effort to use. Apr 29 05:44:52 hmm Apr 29 05:44:59 "a fair bit of effort to use." Apr 29 05:45:40 dl an emulator, optimize settings, download ROM (and eventually some bios if you're going to run for example PS1) Apr 29 05:45:58 could not be that hard Apr 29 05:46:58 and i'm going for a flash chart @ 3DS anyway so i can run things like GB(A) emu on 3DS or things like that Apr 29 05:47:28 what will be possible with both of then to play will be the thing I look at Apr 29 05:47:49 them* Apr 29 05:55:55 stupid sites treating microB like a retarded mobile browser Apr 29 05:56:23 and rediricting me to a reduced feature page that is useless Apr 29 06:07:11 * GeneralAntilles boggles at http://kanesstrikeoutcontest.com/contest/index.php Apr 29 06:07:14 Oops Apr 29 06:07:15 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632603#post632603 Apr 29 06:11:08 I had the exact opposite problem today, Ikarus[N900] Apr 29 06:11:17 I wanted to go to the mobile site, and was told to go to the regular one Apr 29 06:11:18 oh ? Apr 29 06:11:21 heh Apr 29 06:11:25 but that's because I have the user agent thingy Apr 29 06:12:39 it's stupid for sites to try and auto detect Apr 29 06:13:06 agreed Apr 29 06:13:11 esp given there are fscking netbooks running at the same resolution as a N900 Apr 29 06:13:19 or at least disallowing you to go to the other site Apr 29 06:13:49 GeneralAntilles: I don't get why people are so angry at Stskeeps Apr 29 06:13:57 cracked.com only works if you add a parameter to each url by hand Apr 29 06:14:27 GeneralAntilles: did any of those people who are disgruntled about Mer ever wrote a single line of code, packaged something, or did anything else than "test" it? Apr 29 06:14:43 GeneralAntilles: if not, why on earth does he feel "burnt"? Apr 29 06:14:55 I was wondering, do semi-complete but playable games get to extras? Apr 29 06:15:02 or applications in general Apr 29 06:15:09 crashanddie expectation management, hardest sport in the world Apr 29 06:15:50 How about people stop expecting to have their own expectations managed, and manage their own expectations? Apr 29 06:15:51 tekojo, sport indeed, LOL Apr 29 06:16:23 crashanddie in a perfect world :) Apr 29 06:19:10 * tybollt grabs his expectations, stuffs them in a handbag and hands it over to crashanddie - there, your problem now - buddy Apr 29 06:19:40 you don't want to know where I'm going to stuff your expectations, mate Apr 29 06:19:58 :-D Apr 29 06:20:09 btw Apr 29 06:20:23 why the fuck do you have a handbag? Apr 29 06:20:34 * tekojo expects coffee now Apr 29 06:20:48 crashanddie: good point. Hah! Apr 29 06:20:53 tekojo: anything happening? Apr 29 06:20:56 Kmplayer has osso-media-server. Is that a media player only available in kmplayer? Apr 29 06:21:18 mm, coffee Apr 29 06:21:27 it's the build in one Apr 29 06:21:38 built-in Apr 29 06:21:48 crashanddie I'm still sitting in front of this thing, I'm afraid I need to get up to get coffee. Maybe I can flame someone for that :) Apr 29 06:22:09 ohhh osso-media-server is the default media player? I see Apr 29 06:22:32 ok, perhaps now I'm visible too.. Apr 29 06:22:51 tekojo: I'm actually waiting for tmo to start loading again so i can write "Carsten, seriously, I was expecting Mer to power my coffee machine by now, seriously, you're not being serious!" Apr 29 06:23:36 Stskeeps are you reading that, it's all your fault me and crashanddie don't have coffee Apr 29 06:23:57 * Stskeeps offers coffee Apr 29 06:24:06 crashanddie: is he announcing a Mer port to netbsd? Apr 29 06:24:12 * tekojo gets off his butt and takes the mug Apr 29 06:24:26 Is it the official Stskeeps bugging day? Apr 29 06:24:26 BusterB: osso his a helper lib for maemo Apr 29 06:24:41 hrm, I can't connect to a ch13 wlan ap ? (europe, so it should work) Apr 29 06:24:51 no, it's the official Stskeeps-is-a-wanker-because-he-is-too-good-day Apr 29 06:24:59 hehehe Apr 29 06:25:05 mece, rather now than rest of the year ;) Apr 29 06:25:07 any way to force EU/worldwide radio channel rules ? Apr 29 06:25:46 Ikarus[N900]: sure, just reverse-engineer the driver for the chipset, hope the chipset supports it, and then also hope the antenna has enough gain for that frequency Apr 29 06:25:58 (antenna is long enough) Apr 29 06:26:15 s/(a/(hope the a) Apr 29 06:26:22 crashanddie: TWSS Apr 29 06:26:24 crashanddie: the chipset and driver support Apr 29 06:26:27 it Apr 29 06:26:35 tybollt: eh? Apr 29 06:26:40 it's just enforcing the wrong ruleset Apr 29 06:26:59 Ikarus[N900]: regulation can be enforced in the kernel, in the firmware or both Apr 29 06:27:04 tybollt: do not twss me Apr 29 06:27:06 crashanddie: I see Apr 29 06:27:14 my thinkpad won't connect to ch13 either since I bought it from us Apr 29 06:27:39 my macbook connects to ch13 even though I bought it in the US... Apr 29 06:28:17 Ikarus[N900]: or you can just use ch12 Apr 29 06:28:23 for real, nothing prevents you to use ch13, it's just not recommended at all, iirc, because of overlaps, so some people disable them Apr 29 06:28:36 crashanddie: that's difficult when you don't control the infrastructure Apr 29 06:28:49 infrastructure shouldn't use fancy frequencies Apr 29 06:28:53 Corsac: us laws ban it though Apr 29 06:29:14 crashanddie: nothing fancy about ch 13 Apr 29 06:29:26 only 14 JP only is fancy Apr 29 06:31:11 Ikarus[N900]: dmesg | grep Reg Apr 29 06:31:33 crashanddie: :) Apr 29 06:32:23 it's US appaerently Apr 29 06:32:51 and I have had GPS lock and using a European sim, wtf Apr 29 06:33:06 ah well, will force it Apr 29 06:33:17 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5699 Apr 29 06:33:20 Bug 5699: WLAN regulatory domain changes to US when no position data available Apr 29 06:33:23 if it is using that infrastructure it's not hard Apr 29 06:33:44 "If we cannot determine the location we must default to US since all devices must conform to FCC requirements." Apr 29 06:34:48 crashanddie: and I say to the FCC, drop dead and die Apr 29 06:35:06 fucking useless US radio morons Apr 29 06:36:26 (now we uust need to get that made into Nokia policy) Apr 29 06:40:11 * Ikarus[N900] makes a note to hack up a little fix for this Apr 29 06:47:10 * Stskeeps yawns Apr 29 06:49:53 Ikarus[N900]: they are not completely banned, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#endnote_B Apr 29 07:09:34 No free wifi here, I'm returning to Moscow :) Apr 29 07:09:57 hehe Apr 29 07:10:38 Dude talking bout something called UbiQ Apr 29 07:10:52 With logo resembling ubisoft Apr 29 07:11:38 grr argh! styling QListWidget makes my head hurt. Apr 29 07:11:56 apparently the default maemo style doesn't obey the style sheets. Apr 29 07:12:35 Bbiab Apr 29 07:14:31 morning Apr 29 07:16:19 Ok Apr 29 07:16:38 Main value that shows that maemo community grows fast Apr 29 07:17:03 wazd_e63, say whut? Apr 29 07:17:04 7 awesome ladies in the hall, instead of 2 year ago Apr 29 07:17:38 I definitely need to get closer :) Apr 29 07:18:30 teehee Apr 29 07:19:10 I hope they were not forced to come :) Apr 29 07:19:35 "hey baby, I have 1016 karma points!" "oh, wow!" Apr 29 07:20:29 Hmmm, I see some retail packed n900's in the hall Apr 29 07:21:40 dmj726: Hi and congrats to you too. You seem to have an interesting project Apr 29 07:22:21 Yep Apr 29 07:22:50 Have you thought about your UI and such yet? Apr 29 07:23:03 dmj726: There's a #maemo-gsoc channel for gsoc related stuff Apr 29 07:23:11 is there? Apr 29 07:23:14 cool Apr 29 07:24:35 Generic argue/rant/troll threads should be in Off-Topic. Apr 29 07:25:19 in tmo I mean. Apr 29 07:26:02 tmo is getting really noisy :-/ Apr 29 07:26:25 'getting'? Apr 29 07:26:27 dude Apr 29 07:27:26 hahaha Apr 29 07:28:16 tmo became useless after n900 launch Apr 29 07:28:18 yeah...it's been noisy for a while. Apr 29 07:28:18 but the fud/troll threads are pretty easy to spot. I just want them to stay in OT. Apr 29 07:28:51 I wouldn't mind if you could just have the OT posts not show in the "recent threads" list Apr 29 07:29:19 dmj726, exactly! I've been asking for that for months now. Apr 29 07:29:36 and troll threads be moved to OT asap ;) Apr 29 07:29:58 I mostly read tmo to see what people are working on and offer help/advice from time to time. Apr 29 07:30:08 hmm what's fireworks? Image editing software? Apr 29 07:30:21 something like that. Apr 29 07:30:44 I go to tmo to post about stuff I do, read about stuff I use and help noobs with actual problems. Apr 29 07:31:09 Yeah, I haven't made much that's worth posting...yet. Apr 29 07:31:20 GSoC should change that. Apr 29 07:31:30 dmj726, bug reporting is always welcome tho. Apr 29 07:31:49 the stuff I make is so unstable that it needs a lot of support :D Apr 29 07:31:51 I like bug reporting, though I've only reported one. Apr 29 07:32:00 People beat me to the punch the other times. Apr 29 07:32:13 dmj726, well discussing bugs is also welcome, if an application has a thread where such is done. Apr 29 07:32:30 Which things have you made, I don't keep track of every project? Apr 29 07:33:10 dmj726, well, working on porting fheroes2, wesnoth and did comic-widget Apr 29 07:33:26 Oh, I like Comic widget Apr 29 07:33:57 Morning, all Apr 29 07:34:23 I've been thinking of playing wesnoth. Apr 29 07:34:36 Ok, I've located Foster :D Apr 29 07:35:10 He spoted himself asking questions bout architecture :D Apr 29 07:36:05 dmj726, my version is not yet in devel, because I'm still pending on maintainer spot. You can get the deb here though: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=601886&postcount=55 Apr 29 07:37:02 I like how finns talk english, they like trying to sing :) Apr 29 07:37:39 wazd_e63, you mean ralli-english? Apr 29 07:38:02 :D Apr 29 07:38:07 Mece: well, all that "moooouuuubile" stuff :) Apr 29 07:39:09 haha yeah. Well the nok peeps speak pretty good english. Unlike the rally and f1 drivers. Apr 29 07:39:13 hmm...this version will be en -devel soon? Apr 29 07:39:30 dmj726, my wesnoth build? Apr 29 07:40:08 yeah Apr 29 07:42:09 dmj726, possibly, if I get maintainer status on the package. Apr 29 07:42:29 okay, you should at least submit a patch. Apr 29 07:44:45 thinking of promoting fheroes2 to testing... but perhaps there is no point. Apr 29 07:46:22 If you think it's ready, might as well. Apr 29 07:46:48 dmj726, well the upstream isn't ready, so I don't think it ever will be. Apr 29 07:48:01 I see. Apr 29 07:49:55 yes hello Apr 29 07:49:56 Good morning Apr 29 07:50:54 dmj726, but it's mostly stable and working. Apr 29 07:51:42 Well, if it's not dangerous and mainly working (at least as far as the desktop version is), I'd promote it. Apr 29 07:52:00 ...as long as it's at the point where users would enjoy it. Apr 29 07:53:08 dmj726, people seem to enjoy it at least. I tihnk I'll make a new version with all the little bits improved. And a better description. Apr 29 07:53:27 Yeah...good descriptions are always appreciated. Apr 29 08:02:02 any word on BT rSAP for the N900? Apr 29 08:11:41 yello Apr 29 08:14:59 o'hai Termana Apr 29 08:21:20 Fuck! Apr 29 08:21:21 Jeremiah could't come! Apr 29 08:21:50 What an awesome fail! Apr 29 08:22:07 And tell me hopbeat's name please :D Apr 29 08:22:52 Seriously :) Apr 29 08:23:01 His name is Shirley - has to be Apr 29 08:30:18 evening Termana Apr 29 08:35:00 moaning Apr 29 08:38:59 hmm.. I seem to require automake 1.9 and scratch has automake 1.8.5. Apr 29 08:39:00 Damn. Apr 29 08:41:41 trizt: i've pushed an updated 0.1-7 which should give you a message Apr 29 08:42:43 please see if you can trigger the fault again Apr 29 08:42:46 (update first.) Apr 29 08:42:58 (dns backstage.in.nokia.com Apr 29 08:43:01 wopsi Apr 29 08:43:11 backstab.in.nokia.com¨ Apr 29 08:43:14 hubz! Apr 29 08:43:32 NXDOMAIN Apr 29 08:43:35 i dislike referers i cant check on! Apr 29 08:44:15 wtf is fribidi? Apr 29 08:44:46 Am I the only one seeing loads of updates (could be from testing or extras) which all fail with broken packages today? Apr 29 08:49:11 range, I had that a few days ago. Apr 29 08:50:08 Hmmm. Fun. Apr 29 08:52:20 range, checking if I'm having that issue too today. Apr 29 08:53:20 fmms always updates :) Apr 29 08:54:12 yeah damn that fmms dev and all them updates! get the tar and feathers! Apr 29 08:54:16 ;) Apr 29 08:55:12 nifty: http://johanneskuhlmann.de/blog/2010/04/28/3d-on-the-nokia-n900-through-head-tracking/ Apr 29 08:55:38 frals, get the tar and gzippers! Apr 29 08:55:47 :D Apr 29 09:00:33 frals: ;D Apr 29 09:00:52 mece: very nice Apr 29 09:06:28 any quick way to make debian/* files on a source that uses cmake? Apr 29 09:06:34 mece: Yes, that is some interesting stuff! Apr 29 09:07:33 Jaffa, X-Fade, would be interesting if there was a head-tracking plugin to some 3d engines.. Apr 29 09:07:44 mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45866 Apr 29 09:08:12 With a bit of smoothing, this will work quite nicely for games etc. Apr 29 09:08:27 chem|st, yeah I saw that one. Pretty cool. And one of the best named apps on maemo. Apr 29 09:08:44 In Ya Face Apr 29 09:09:04 another aptly named app is facebrick :D Apr 29 09:09:42 app to brick your device so you can throw it at one's face? Apr 29 09:10:17 Anyway, it seems that the front camera is a bit better in a certain unnamed firmware. Apr 29 09:10:25 I am still concerned that noone is concerned about securing the n900 Apr 29 09:10:42 woha \o/ i can make the apn i add not become default in the ui \o/ Apr 29 09:11:16 Aaaahahaha! Extras-devil :D:D:D:D Apr 29 09:17:07 chem|st: It has a lanyard hole. Apr 29 09:17:21 chem|st: open the battery, and poke one through, so it's secure. Apr 29 09:17:58 Yep, that is where I have my wrist strap attached through. Apr 29 09:18:11 3 Apr 29 09:18:14 2 Apr 29 09:18:15 1 Apr 29 09:18:20 hmh Apr 29 09:18:26 no pr1.2 :( Apr 29 09:18:27 Very handy when letting small kids play Bounce etc ;) Apr 29 09:18:55 The jumping over the bridge part is scary otherwise. Apr 29 09:19:02 X-Fade: Does the un-named firmware come with more bounce levels? Apr 29 09:19:29 SpeedEvil1: Bounce is in ovi, not firmware. Apr 29 09:19:36 I know :) Apr 29 09:19:40 One can hope though. Apr 29 09:19:54 hmm, hearing a Belgian guy say "I have the wrist wrap attached, very handy when letting small kids play with it" definitely made me smile Apr 29 09:19:57 I gather Bounce is only a tech demo. Not intended to be a real game. Apr 29 09:20:01 damn Apr 29 09:20:14 s/wrap/strap/ Apr 29 09:20:14 crashanddie meant: hmm, hearing a Belgian guy say "I have the wrist strap attached, very handy when letting small kids play with it" definitely made me smile Apr 29 09:20:21 Pity Apr 29 09:20:31 more levels would be great fun Apr 29 09:20:40 crashanddie: You always know how to spin words to fix your dirty mind :) Apr 29 09:20:46 *fit Apr 29 09:21:06 well, I'm Belgian, I have an excuse :P Apr 29 09:21:32 Hi ! Apr 29 09:24:01 yo Khertan Apr 29 09:24:11 hmm Apr 29 09:24:26 1.2 Apr 29 09:25:59 morning :P Apr 29 09:26:52 'lo crashanddie Apr 29 09:27:04 tybollt: hummm no Apr 29 09:27:11 morning pupnik Apr 29 09:27:31 crashanddie, speak for yourself Apr 29 09:27:45 oh come on Apr 29 09:27:52 crashanddie: that's corny Apr 29 09:27:58 s/that's c/i'm h/ Apr 29 09:27:59 Scelt meant: crashanddie: i'm horny Apr 29 09:28:01 :D: Apr 29 09:28:17 belgians and austrians, the two countries where you can't really trust adults with children Apr 29 09:28:23 well, that and the vatican, I guess Apr 29 09:29:45 who moderates "general" on tmo? Apr 29 09:30:01 * chem|st hides Apr 29 09:30:27 mece: some wankers Apr 29 09:30:35 though moderating is a generous term :P Apr 29 09:30:38 crashanddie: wtf Apr 29 09:30:40 crashanddie: what about the irish then? Granted, it's all about religion there ;) Apr 29 09:31:05 chem|st: wut? got a problem, there, I said it, moderators are plonkers! Apr 29 09:31:10 aye sir! Apr 29 09:31:14 crashanddie: it is a general problem in society not in specific countries Apr 29 09:31:47 crashanddie: you've been one so you are a retired wanker? Apr 29 09:31:49 lo there, any nokia develloppers that could help me out in understanding some dbus replies :p Apr 29 09:31:57 chem|st: and you lack humour. Apr 29 09:32:00 mece: I am mod Apr 29 09:32:08 could not find any resource on the internet to help me out Apr 29 09:32:21 tybollt: no I lack coffee for now Apr 29 09:33:04 chem|st: yes, I'm retired, I'm puffempty Apr 29 09:33:23 chantra: best way is to just state the problem and anyone who knows will probably respond Apr 29 09:33:39 frals: yeah, already attempted Apr 29 09:33:47 gimme a sec, I will get some link posted :) Apr 29 09:33:53 chem|st, I was wondering, should the pointless threads be moved to off topic? Apr 29 09:33:59 mece: we are out of mods for now andrew and I just volunteered to super mod as the place gets more messy every day Apr 29 09:34:05 rSAP in N8900 - any takers? Apr 29 09:34:08 mece: link and I get my hands on it Apr 29 09:34:11 N900 Apr 29 09:34:18 chem|st, waitup Apr 29 09:35:47 chem|st, here's a couple: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51327 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50807 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51317 Apr 29 09:35:55 crashanddie: I learned from being admin and mod for years now that you wont get a thank you ever, they will blame you for everything and you need to handle it, so wanking is a good alternative to yelling at them Apr 29 09:36:36 I'll try to keep that in mind Apr 29 09:36:49 :D Apr 29 09:36:57 i log in and this is what i see? Apr 29 09:37:00 imo stuff that is completely non constructive can be moved to off topic in general. Apr 29 09:37:07 haha Apr 29 09:37:35 -- from general Apr 29 09:37:41 and from other places too. Apr 29 09:37:51 korhojoa: for you catholic batty boys we have a separate pr0n free channel - called #iphone... Apr 29 09:38:00 chantra: talk to thiago, he's Mr. QDBus Apr 29 09:38:01 LOOOOOL Apr 29 09:38:06 frals: here you go: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/25900 Apr 29 09:38:17 tybollt: uhh... Apr 29 09:38:18 lpotter: tks for that :) Apr 29 09:38:44 btw.: I heard overclocking will be much easier and safer with PR1.2! Apr 29 09:39:17 Treibholz: Yes and frying an egg on the back plate too. Apr 29 09:39:20 Treibholz, LOL... MohammadAG, GET HIM! Apr 29 09:39:32 lpotter: well, the thing is not really dbus related, but rather a lack of API doc Apr 29 09:39:46 I have the dbus results, just dont know there meanings Apr 29 09:39:47 chantra, which api lacks doc? Apr 29 09:40:11 mece: phone.net dbus api Apr 29 09:40:18 k. Apr 29 09:40:53 mece: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Tools&id=1106&type=g did a real good job Apr 29 09:41:02 Treibholz: I heard PR1.2 might help with fertility in women Apr 29 09:41:04 uhm overclocking N900? good grief Apr 29 09:41:25 but, just missing some "official" API for nokia'specific components Apr 29 09:41:26 Treibholz: and I also heard that PR1.2 will have an app that allows us to stream the hidden face of the moon 24/7 Apr 29 09:41:31 without wifi nor 3g! Apr 29 09:41:37 mece: the last two stay there or got merged, I know that its not the best info but at least they got some and we need to keep some threads like those to make them happy Apr 29 09:41:52 crashanddie: and has dalvic to run Android-Apps! Apr 29 09:41:55 crashanddie: joke as you may - missus ctually complained when I bought mine that it did not have the "fertility app" that you canhave on iphone. :-P Apr 29 09:42:03 lmao Apr 29 09:42:09 * crashanddie goes on troll patrol on tmo Apr 29 09:42:17 crashanddie: and can do your work and brings you coffee Apr 29 09:42:20 chem|st: did you like my "This thread is nuts" joke? Apr 29 09:42:32 crashanddie: that's no patrol... its a dosage Apr 29 09:42:38 crashanddie: yes! that was realy a good one Apr 29 09:43:27 crashanddie: you are actualy the right sensed guy for a mod but you get pissed to easily Apr 29 09:43:49 yeah, been going through some tough turf lately Apr 29 09:44:03 and if you don't have small kids to take it out on, I took the next best thing: tmo users Apr 29 09:44:19 crashanddie: some deserved it.... Apr 29 09:44:37 which is why I quit, amongst other reasons -- I realised I wasn't being productive Apr 29 09:44:52 tybollt: isn't there one? Femanon or something. Apr 29 09:44:59 tybollt: maecycle? Apr 29 09:45:01 * SpeedEvil forgets Apr 29 09:46:00 and now for something completely different: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/shanghais_expo_nearly_ready.html Apr 29 09:46:46 bless you Apr 29 09:47:42 while we are at tmo... how the hell do you change the thread title ? or am I suffering from coffee withdrawal ? Apr 29 09:47:49 you can't Apr 29 09:47:54 you have to ask a mod to do it Apr 29 09:48:17 just report your thread, and say: "OP Request: can you change thread title to "..."" Apr 29 09:48:18 Dear mr mod. Please do it. As I have asked in a post in my thread. Oh, you don't read those. :) Apr 29 09:48:35 I know. But reporting myself felt... wrong Apr 29 09:48:37 :D Apr 29 09:48:59 No, you would simply make the Spanish Inquisition proud. Apr 29 09:49:07 doh.. reporting threads... That's how you're supposed to do it. *bonk self* Apr 29 09:49:33 * mece goes on a reporting spree. Apr 29 09:50:34 NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition Apr 29 09:50:47 Wow, some of that shanghai expo stuff defies belief. The Seed Cathedral fex. Holy crap! Apr 29 09:52:09 * SpeedEvil goes on a polyphonic spree. Apr 29 09:52:31 "The seed cathedrals fecks holy crap"? Apr 29 09:52:33 Seriously? Apr 29 09:53:52 crashanddie, "for example" Apr 29 09:54:43 is it ok to use the report post to ask a thread to be moved to it's proper place? Apr 29 09:56:24 yes Apr 29 09:56:31 as long as you say "its proper place" Apr 29 09:56:34 rather than "it's" Apr 29 10:02:21 crashanddie, damn. I hate those typos. Hate making them ever more. Apr 29 10:04:21 achipa: link pls Apr 29 10:06:15 mece: the report this has a 60 seconds cooldown so you are better of with querrying me and post link and need Apr 29 10:06:23 chem|st: already reported myself Apr 29 10:06:28 ;) Apr 29 10:06:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=502617 Apr 29 10:06:41 btw Apr 29 10:08:11 anythng new for 1.2? Apr 29 10:08:20 or still only bullshit dates Apr 29 10:08:29 bullshit Apr 29 10:08:37 thx :D Apr 29 10:08:44 released? Apr 29 10:08:46 aol sold ICQ sold for almost $200M! Apr 29 10:09:00 mece: to ? Apr 29 10:09:04 is anybody still using icq? Apr 29 10:10:06 jacekowski: lot of simpletons do Apr 29 10:10:12 marmoute, Digital Sky Technologies Apr 29 10:10:18 Now their messages belong to FSB, not to AOL. Apr 29 10:10:41 marmoute, a russian company. ICQ is big in russia apparently. Apr 29 10:14:48 jacekowski I do because of those lazy ppl not using jabber Apr 29 10:18:17 is it possible to list all applications on maemo.org/downloads listed by # of downloads? Apr 29 10:18:33 frals: replace score with downloads Apr 29 10:18:40 thanks! Apr 29 10:21:21 29/4 Apr 29 10:21:26 * MohammadAG pings tmo Apr 29 10:21:50 * MohammadAG receives a pong Apr 29 10:22:02 I guess there's no update xD Apr 29 10:22:50 so the US couldn't accept Iceland had the bigger nature disaster, so they had to create their own to trump it... Apr 29 10:23:14 tybollt: not really a nature disaster Apr 29 10:23:25 man created one ;) Apr 29 10:23:31 but yeah Apr 29 10:23:40 DocScrutinizer: relax son Apr 29 10:24:19 DocScrutinizer, :( I didn't ask for it Apr 29 10:24:31 I knw :-) Apr 29 10:24:37 know Apr 29 10:25:49 I love how some websites are biased to create issues Apr 29 10:25:57 Comment form, 3 options on other people's comments Apr 29 10:26:09 fremantale <- new typo for fremnatle Apr 29 10:26:13 "Reply", "Agree (x)", "Alert moderator" Apr 29 10:26:18 lol Apr 29 10:26:31 x being the number of times the comment has been agreed with Apr 29 10:26:51 I wonder how many alerts those mods get Apr 29 10:27:27 none - hose go dev/null Apr 29 10:27:34 those Apr 29 10:27:53 grrr where's my hoover Apr 29 10:28:17 when you file a moderator alert -> "bother someone else, we're busy wanking" Apr 29 10:28:23 or? Apr 29 10:29:18 * SpeedEvil has to repair his hoover. Apr 29 10:29:21 * DocScrutinizer yawns violently Apr 29 10:29:26 I need to order a couple more bearings. Apr 29 10:29:46 It made lots of noise, then stopped and fuse blew. Apr 29 10:30:02 When I opened it up, there were loose ball bearings in the bottom Apr 29 10:30:07 Which is rarely a good sign. Apr 29 10:30:11 guess you're talking about sth else than an appliance Apr 29 10:30:26 nope Apr 29 10:32:04 damn weird dream - if you're dreqaming about your bad typing, it's time to fetch the hoover anyway ;-P Apr 29 10:32:44 plus about (c) issues same time :-o Apr 29 10:34:04 tybollt, there's a natural disaster in the us? Apr 29 10:34:34 the USA *are* the natural desaster, ever been XP Apr 29 10:34:41 :-D Apr 29 10:35:09 mece: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/boobquake-breasts-big-on-facebook-as-women-take-on-iran-cleric-20100427-tnlb.html ? Apr 29 10:35:15 pwned: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2882994.htm Apr 29 10:35:16 and they really managed to shoot their foot recently Apr 29 10:35:42 ah yeah. Heard about boobquake, and liked what I heard. Apr 29 10:37:42 'obama promises cheap gasoil for southern states' Apr 29 10:37:53 mece: some wankers on an oil rig outside US managed to get it blown to smithereens so now all the oil they were pumping is leaking right out into the ocean, right now about 960 square km are covered w/ raw oil... Apr 29 10:38:19 DocScrutinizer: >:) Apr 29 10:38:28 tybollt: true Apr 29 10:39:52 tybollt, oh right. I saw the headlines about some oil. Apr 29 10:40:00 heh biggest spill in the world by far. Yay. Apr 29 10:41:30 800k litres leaking per day, pretty awesome fail Apr 29 10:41:49 oh shit. Apr 29 10:42:04 they should make the americans pay what we do for petrol Apr 29 10:42:06 yeah could take 3-4 months to stop the flow, says the beeb Apr 29 10:42:29 as punishment for fucking up the ocean Apr 29 10:42:43 zaheerm: They would riot. Apr 29 10:42:49 "availability of cheap energy for the northern atlantic shore states depends on working out proper delivering methods. South America already is scheduled for first shipment" Apr 29 10:43:02 SpeedEvil, they should buy bycicles ;) Apr 29 10:43:12 aargh Apr 29 10:43:14 bicycles Apr 29 10:43:34 ~curse packaging Apr 29 10:43:35 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, packaging ! Apr 29 10:43:49 frals, LOL. You said my mantra! Apr 29 10:44:54 ~curse dependence on oil Apr 29 10:44:55 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dependence on oil ! Apr 29 10:45:03 Ha. The "maemo.org takeover" of ITT caused Mer to fail! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632937#post632937 Apr 29 10:46:11 morning Jaffa :) Apr 29 10:46:54 ok. irssi. beep on message. Apr 29 10:46:58 'lo pupnik Apr 29 10:48:39 pupnik: can you get the beep from irssi → screen → ssh → *term? Apr 29 10:50:30 pupnik: and then poke the wm with a _NET_WM_STATE_DEMANDS_ATTENTION Apr 29 10:50:41 Jaffa: interesting conclusion.. :D Apr 29 10:52:00 infobot: let me tell you a thing or two about "camels" Apr 29 10:52:09 fucking camels Apr 29 10:53:13 I went to egypt and all I ever saw were Dromedariess... Apr 29 10:53:25 International Telegraph & Telephone? o.O Thought they vanished into oblivion some decades ago Apr 29 10:55:58 zash: i am running irssi on n900 so no. Apr 29 10:56:32 tybollt: you sure that was not a Perl course ? Apr 29 10:56:33 what would be the most maemo5 like way to signal user? i was hoping for a ctrl-g (beep) from XTerminal Apr 29 10:57:14 pupnik: the yellow HILDON popup of course Apr 29 10:57:25 visible > audible - always Apr 29 10:57:27 pupnik, the hildon notify Apr 29 10:57:38 pupnik, what tybollt said. Apr 29 10:57:49 pupnik: what mece said. Apr 29 11:00:25 frals: It's the only logical one Apr 29 11:02:24 hmm, OSS, FOSS, then FLOSS, I'm waiting for dental floss Apr 29 11:03:40 'going to Monatana soon, gonna be a mental toss flycoon' Apr 29 11:05:24 ~floss Apr 29 11:05:25 extra, extra, read all about it, floss is Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Apr 29 11:05:35 LOL Apr 29 11:05:39 * MohammadAG wonders what the .current_usb_mode is for Apr 29 11:06:05 lol Apr 29 11:06:19 MohammadAG: huh? elaborate Apr 29 11:06:39 ~dict libre Apr 29 11:06:41 DocScrutinizer, found it in /tmp, might not be very useful Apr 29 11:06:43 could not find definition for libre Apr 29 11:06:57 aah Apr 29 11:07:10 ~dict cuba libre Apr 29 11:07:10 could be for PC suite/mass storage stuff Apr 29 11:07:11 could not find definition for cuba libre Apr 29 11:07:31 ~curse infobot Apr 29 11:07:33 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! Apr 29 11:07:43 ~tessaurus free Apr 29 11:08:14 tautology to make a silly acronym - pfft Apr 29 11:09:22 DocScrutinizer: "Libre" is often used to explain the open source/free software isn't the same as "gratuit". Apr 29 11:09:36 * DocScrutinizer fetches his zircon incrusted tweezers gleaming in the moonlight at night Apr 29 11:09:40 DocScrutinizer: Similarly, "'free' as in 'speech', not as in 'beer'" Apr 29 11:09:52 ~curse you Apr 29 11:09:53 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, you ! Apr 29 11:11:06 FLOOo Apr 29 11:11:08 lol Apr 29 11:12:38 aahaha Chuck Norris thread with over 2700 posts! Apr 29 11:12:56 it should have been renamed to just "Chuck Norris" Apr 29 11:14:05 I wish some moderator moved it to rubish and changed the header of each post so it includes 30 icons each of 50MB size Apr 29 11:15:39 answer posts accepted in hex coded UTF-16 only Apr 29 11:16:30 ROT13 Apr 29 11:17:19 or tmo really needs a account system: each post costs you 10 points, and you get credits = + 15 each week Apr 29 11:17:28 hee hee Apr 29 11:18:12 weird, N900 rebooted on its own Apr 29 11:18:48 duh, had this ONE time since Nov 2009, yeah Apr 29 11:18:56 o.O nevertheless Apr 29 11:19:02 DocScrutinizer: that means I get 40 posts each week Apr 29 11:19:14 DocScrutinizer: and I have what, 300 posts in roughly 2 1/2 years? Apr 29 11:19:15 karma whore Apr 29 11:19:23 mmmmh whoooores Apr 29 11:20:10 obviously the karma system itself needs a readjustment then ;-P Apr 29 11:20:24 oh, wait, karma, I was thinking thanks Apr 29 11:21:17 ok, so i get 25 posts each week Apr 29 11:21:32 how exactly does karma get bumped? Apr 29 11:21:35 just bearable ;-P Apr 29 11:22:00 tybollt: ask google Apr 29 11:22:11 about their ranking system Apr 29 11:22:12 jaja Apr 29 11:22:44 nah, I think it's actually documented somewhere Apr 29 11:23:31 ok ok Apr 29 11:25:06 honestly I don't care Apr 29 11:28:35 ok, serious question and maybe anyone has an serious answer. When will 1.2 be out it couldnt be no one knows about an release date. The python updates in apt arent installable cause of lagging qt 4.6 Apr 29 11:28:45 * MohammadAG checks his karma Apr 29 11:28:49 78, bleh Apr 29 11:28:52 ghostcube: 20 minutes Apr 29 11:29:02 lol Apr 29 11:29:04 ghostcube, nobody can give you an answer. Nokia does not announce it in advance Apr 29 11:29:05 -.- Apr 29 11:29:15 can anyone bump nokia for this Apr 29 11:29:21 no Apr 29 11:29:23 damn Apr 29 11:29:25 * crashanddie bumps nokia Apr 29 11:29:31 what for, they'll just say they don't announce it in advance Apr 29 11:29:37 ok back to ubuntu release party :D Apr 29 11:30:29 * tekojo looks around if the building is moving after a bump Apr 29 11:30:48 :D Apr 29 11:30:57 some guy on t.m.o thinks I created Minimalist theme as a work around to the page numbers running off screen on large threads. lol Apr 29 11:31:26 Also images don't fit, and [code] sections don't fit horizontally in normal theme :) Apr 29 11:31:39 [code] is useless Apr 29 11:31:50 tekojo, the users caused a volcanic eruption a few weeks back, did this bump actually move the building more than that? Apr 29 11:32:02 is there anything else besides [code] that doesn't fuck up formatting? Apr 29 11:32:23 nope Apr 29 11:32:53 zaheerm: you never know, better to be safe Apr 29 11:32:56 but I wouldn't mind some syntax highlighting inside a [code] Apr 29 11:33:49 well you really can't make a website look good on 800x480 and a widescreen desktop resolution Apr 29 11:34:02 sure you can Apr 29 11:34:02 chem|st: Ping Apr 29 11:34:05 www.google.com Apr 29 11:34:11 looks fine on desktop and n900 Apr 29 11:34:16 lol Apr 29 11:34:18 crashanddie: ok you can't make a vbulletin forum look good Apr 29 11:34:35 andrewfblack, just make it scroll to the left/right Apr 29 11:34:40 but mail.google.com with multiple inboxes labs feature does not Apr 29 11:34:53 instead of reflowing it for a small screen Apr 29 11:35:20 it'd be cool if the right hand menu was allowed to be outside the width of the screen Apr 29 11:35:21 zaheerm: have you tried the iphone interface? Apr 29 11:35:22 MohammadAG: I don't even want to go their that would piss even more people off Apr 29 11:35:28 because it results in half the screen being dead whitespace anyway :/ Apr 29 11:35:50 andrewfblack, then those people can live with it :) Apr 29 11:36:07 andrewfblack, but why? I can't see any reason to piss them off Apr 29 11:36:14 MohammadAG: Welcome to my life in theme work for t.m.o someone is always going to have to live with it I fine Apr 29 11:37:09 MohammadAG: one of the reason the minimalist theme was created alot of people complained about itT scrolling left ot right Apr 29 11:37:13 andrewfblack: pong Apr 29 11:37:26 "normal" crops images, "minimalist" scales them to postage stamp size.. I wonder what the classic ones do :D Apr 29 11:37:28 * pupnik wants a clamshell N910 with 5-row kbd :) Apr 29 11:38:10 andrewfblack, heh, users will complain about everything Apr 29 11:38:20 I still use the normal maemo.org theme Apr 29 11:38:44 MohammadAG: I've learned that right now I have to adjust my minimalist theme because the rest of the web is to small on n900 Apr 29 11:39:11 andrewfblack: maybe you dont hear this enough but i think t.m.o is very good looking and functional Apr 29 11:39:12 * ShadowJK thought minimalist theme had gigantic fonts on n900 Apr 29 11:40:34 ghostcube: you've seen the chan-topic? Apr 29 11:40:41 rickroll 1.2 thread, meh Apr 29 11:40:55 MohammadAG, lol, that sounds awesome Apr 29 11:41:00 any mods online? it's getting pathetic Apr 29 11:41:05 DocScrutinizer: now as you mentioned Apr 29 11:41:37 but there is no nokia channel to blame in -.- or? Apr 29 11:41:47 ghostcube: there is Apr 29 11:41:49 :O Apr 29 11:41:51 ghostcube: /join #stfu Apr 29 11:42:00 crashanddie: youre so funny Apr 29 11:42:05 and all so ... YEAH!! Apr 29 11:42:09 I try Apr 29 11:42:24 #stfu,0 ? Apr 29 11:42:25 :) Apr 29 11:42:31 crashanddie, I expected you to tell him to join #nokia,PR Apr 29 11:42:37 Corsac, lol Apr 29 11:42:39 \o/ Apr 29 11:42:43 I'm not that bad Apr 29 11:42:49 you're too mirc Apr 29 11:42:52 join 0 then Apr 29 11:43:11 nah, works on xchat too :P Apr 29 11:43:26 not in irssi Apr 29 11:43:40 it joins the both channels separately Apr 29 11:43:41 never used it Apr 29 11:43:50 Omg Apr 29 11:43:54 \o wazd_e63 Apr 29 11:44:03 I <3 it, grep /dev/random >> t.m.o. Apr 29 11:44:07 Meego will support n900 oficially :) Apr 29 11:44:14 wazd_e63: link pls Apr 29 11:44:22 I swear if that's a rumor... Apr 29 11:44:24 havent this been announced already last week? Apr 29 11:44:43 chem|st: cat Apr 29 11:44:47 wazd_e63: how is that not implied by the images on the site??? Apr 29 11:45:18 zOMG run!111 Apr 29 11:45:20 Ok, dude is not so sure now :D Apr 29 11:45:31 crashanddie: right Apr 29 11:45:40 I'm at the meego app framework keynote now Apr 29 11:45:42 wazd_e63: you at FRUCT? Apr 29 11:45:49 Frals: yep Apr 29 11:45:54 cool Apr 29 11:46:04 is he a frukt? :) Apr 29 11:46:05 pupnik: lol thanks but I don't do make theme thats Reggie :) Apr 29 11:46:07 Crazy spanish dude's talking at 5000 wpm Apr 29 11:46:45 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MohammadAG Apr 29 11:46:49 what was that about lol Apr 29 11:46:50 my brain can't keep up with him :) Apr 29 11:47:01 wazd_e63 who's talking? Apr 29 11:47:17 * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer, but I'm not sure what that was for Apr 29 11:47:24 lol Apr 29 11:47:26 crashanddie, I would've deopped myself :) Apr 29 11:47:35 wazd_e63: that's just under a hundred words a second :P Apr 29 11:47:37 I swear if that's a rumor.. Apr 29 11:47:53 DocScrutinizer, I wouldn't kick wazd_e63 Apr 29 11:47:54 Mohammad the enforcer Apr 29 11:48:09 Tekojo: I guess A. Yanes Apr 29 11:48:12 I'm sure about that - just kidding ;-P Apr 29 11:48:12 if mountain doesn't come to MohammadAG Apr 29 11:48:24 Tekojo: Foster failed to get to spb :D Apr 29 11:48:46 Crashanddie: screw you :D Apr 29 11:49:27 DocScrutinizer, or maybe I would Apr 29 11:49:29 :P Apr 29 11:49:53 let's see if you put your money where your mouth is Apr 29 11:50:02 kick or be kicked Apr 29 11:50:07 (there's only one right thing to do) Apr 29 11:50:19 failed Apr 29 11:50:53 I'd rather be like the rest of the 541 in here :) Apr 29 11:51:06 yeah but you still failed Apr 29 11:51:11 you should've made it 540 :P Apr 29 11:51:13 make that 530 Apr 29 11:51:14 and kicked me :D Apr 29 11:51:26 I wouldn't have do that Apr 29 11:51:42 (facing the same choice ;) Apr 29 11:51:43 yeah, cause you really can't join and kb me back ;) Apr 29 11:52:00 21:50 Irssi: Starting query in FreeNode with DocScrutinizer Apr 29 11:52:00 21:50 right thing: he should kick me Apr 29 11:52:01 21:50 hehehe Apr 29 11:53:12 DocScrutinizer, kick crashanddie for me :P Apr 29 11:53:20 muhaha Apr 29 11:54:31 * MohammadAG waits for DocScrutinizer to kick crashanddie Apr 29 11:54:46 I wonder if freenode runs like our server... Apr 29 11:54:53 "how high?" Apr 29 11:54:53 crashanddie, type !kick :P Apr 29 11:54:58 !kick Apr 29 11:55:21 GOOOAAAAAAL Apr 29 11:55:22 tsk tsk tsk, guess not Apr 29 11:55:26 lmao Apr 29 11:55:48 crashanddie, op yourself and type !kick? Apr 29 11:55:57 !kick Apr 29 11:56:04 lmao Apr 29 11:56:09 guess not Apr 29 11:56:15 ... Apr 29 11:56:34 Hey ShadowJK Apr 29 11:56:35 !kick Apr 29 11:56:36 * You have been kicked from #Haxnetwork by HaX (Requested (MohammadAG)) Apr 29 11:56:37 you're all crazy here :) Apr 29 11:56:43 LAaahahaha Apr 29 11:56:46 rofl Apr 29 11:56:52 Have you found a way to have the phone measure the charge in the mugen battery? Apr 29 11:56:53 ~curse UnrealIRC Apr 29 11:56:54 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, UnrealIRC ! Apr 29 11:57:09 It's ircd seven Apr 29 11:57:23 crashanddie, our server is UnrealIRC Apr 29 11:57:30 Villiny, well if you boot it "cold"-ish (20C or so) then the default meter is "usable", in that it moves... Apr 29 11:57:41 "running version Unreal3.2.8.1" Apr 29 11:58:03 HTH http://t0x.in/ircfreenode.html Apr 29 11:58:03 ShadowJK: so no fancy way of getting accurate mah and so forth? Apr 29 11:58:40 Villiny, well there's the bq27200 gas gauge chip, but it's calibrated for a 2000mAh battery (wtf?) by default :) Apr 29 11:59:06 really? Apr 29 11:59:27 well 2056mAh ;) Apr 29 11:59:31 Gas gauge? :P Apr 29 11:59:49 fuel gauge/gas gauge... Apr 29 11:59:49 fuel cells anyone? Apr 29 12:00:19 well thank you and you lost me :) Apr 29 12:01:09 Villiny, basically it's a chip that measures all the current that goes in and out, and calculates mAh.. Apr 29 12:01:15 * MohammadAG gives Villiny a GPS device with a compass that points south Apr 29 12:01:41 ShadowJK: oh i see, cool... have you used this? Apr 29 12:01:41 SINGLE CELL Li-Ion AND Li-Pol BATTERY GAS GAUGE IC FOR PORTABLE Apr 29 12:01:43 APPLICATIONS (bqJUNIOR) Apr 29 12:01:54 Villiny, yes I have written a script for accessing it Apr 29 12:01:59 * MohammadAG fixes DocScrutinizer's caps key Apr 29 12:02:23 call redirected to TI documentation sqad Apr 29 12:02:26 runs in x-terminal so it's obviously not very user friendly for non-linuxy types :) Apr 29 12:02:43 where can one get the hardware? :) Apr 29 12:03:01 ehh? Apr 29 12:03:06 buy a N900 Apr 29 12:03:10 Also - the bq* is set for the wrong end of charge voltage. Apr 29 12:03:14 oh so the chip is present? Apr 29 12:03:26 yes it's present but it's not used very much for anything Apr 29 12:03:34 ah cool Apr 29 12:03:40 The device turns off when the bq% thinks it has 6.25% left Apr 29 12:03:56 of FSCK Apr 29 12:04:03 sorry i just woke up... okay so this script of yours can access the chip and give a more accurate reading? where can i get the script? Apr 29 12:04:08 OH even Apr 29 12:04:25 SpeedEvil: no kidding? Apr 29 12:04:38 SpeedEvil, so if it's at 100% and it *thinks* it's at 6.25 it shuts down? Apr 29 12:05:13 MohammadAG: no Apr 29 12:05:43 MohammadAG: the n900 shuts down at the voltage which the bq* has been configured to expect the battery to be at 6.25% charge Apr 29 12:05:46 villager, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.tar Apr 29 12:05:48 oops Apr 29 12:05:51 Villiny: ^ Apr 29 12:05:54 villager: sorry Apr 29 12:05:54 :) thanks! Apr 29 12:06:06 Villiny, put it in a directory somewhere. Go there /as root/, ./bq27200.sh Apr 29 12:06:16 SpeedEvil: that's not how bq27x00 works though Apr 29 12:06:19 got a 404 Apr 29 12:06:20 iirc Apr 29 12:06:23 hm, sec Apr 29 12:06:33 i went to folder root Apr 29 12:06:41 bq.tar yeah Apr 29 12:06:43 it's bq.tar Apr 29 12:06:44 bq.tar,gz Apr 29 12:06:45 yes. Apr 29 12:06:50 no .gz Apr 29 12:07:09 DocScrutinizer: yes - it is - evdf1 is supposed to be the battery voltage at which the system has 6.25% charge - evdf2 is supposed to be the hard-shutdown voltage Apr 29 12:07:30 needs i2cget too? Apr 29 12:07:32 DocScrutinizer: howver - it shutsdown at evdf1 - Apr 29 12:08:16 villager, it's in the .tar Apr 29 12:08:23 SpeedEvil: if the capacity counter is reaching 6.25% at a batvoltg of 4.1V, it as well jumps to 0% afaik Apr 29 12:09:01 ok :) Apr 29 12:09:03 we did exactly this HUGE oopsie in FSO for gta02, and ended with standby times of 3h Apr 29 12:09:56 DocScrutinizer: the n900 shuts down at evdf1 - not below this. It needs to be below this in order that the bq* will learn a new capacity Apr 29 12:10:00 it never does Apr 29 12:10:01 it is WRONG!!! to shutdown system based on bq27x00 estimations of remaining capacity Apr 29 12:10:04 (at least for me) Apr 29 12:10:08 I'm not saying it does Apr 29 12:10:17 I'm saying it shuts down at the same voltage as evdf1 Apr 29 12:10:29 so the new battery capacity is never learned Apr 29 12:10:30 getting permission denied here ShadowJK Apr 29 12:10:47 are you root? Apr 29 12:10:47 http://qkwv.com/bq.tar is a mirror Apr 29 12:10:49 oh Apr 29 12:10:52 ignore me Apr 29 12:10:53 yes im root Apr 29 12:11:09 Did you save it under MyDocs? Apr 29 12:11:11 Villiny: do you have the bq27x00_battery module loaded? If so - unload it Apr 29 12:11:14 i used winscp as root to move it to mydocs Apr 29 12:11:16 Oh - that too Apr 29 12:11:25 chmod a+x ./I2* Apr 29 12:12:05 can MyDocs (VFAT) handle +x? Apr 29 12:12:09 Villiny: vfat fs is mounted noexec Apr 29 12:12:15 no Apr 29 12:12:20 Yeah it wont work in MyDocs.. move the bq.tar to /home/user/, 'tar -xf bq.tar', './bq27200.sh' for a dump, './bq27200.sh 5' for a periodicly updating statusline Apr 29 12:12:42 ok Apr 29 12:12:56 and never look into it, it's mindboggling script ;-P Apr 29 12:14:28 lol the topics ! Apr 29 12:14:29 ah now it works Apr 29 12:14:35 thanks ShadowJK :) Apr 29 12:14:39 Why, it's perfectly sane to do bitwise shifts and bitwise AND using bash algebra Apr 29 12:14:48 Has anyone had their bq* learn battery capacity - with a non mugen battery? Apr 29 12:14:49 here's a similar one, though needs bash and isn't adapted to work wit I2Ctools: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail Apr 29 12:14:51 villager, hey wanna paste the output of './bq27200.sh' somewhere? Apr 29 12:14:58 which value am i interested in? Apr 29 12:15:13 villager, ah, NAC maybe Apr 29 12:15:29 okay, whats the most efficient way to copy off the text in the terminal? Apr 29 12:15:55 Also the mA number - this is the current battery Apr 29 12:16:06 There is also a kernel module - in the 'power user' kernel. Apr 29 12:16:11 bq27x00_battery Apr 29 12:16:20 There are two icons with arrows on the x-terminal toolbar. One has a rectangle around it which switches fullscreen/windows. THe other activates a pointer with which you can paint text. Then you can choose copy from the titlebar menu Apr 29 12:16:37 this only reads out the capacity%, voltage, and instantaneous current thoguh. And temperature Apr 29 12:16:38 ah right you are Apr 29 12:16:47 Villiny: setup ssh - ssh into phone Apr 29 12:16:51 my mA is jumping around Apr 29 12:16:57 i have ssh Apr 29 12:17:00 Villiny: it's sampled every 5s Apr 29 12:17:07 that's pretty expected behaviour Apr 29 12:17:17 "mA" measures the current consumption or charging Apr 29 12:17:20 Villiny: It will usually jump around unless the device is deeply in standby Apr 29 12:17:28 ShadowJK: you're assuming rs=20? Apr 29 12:17:32 yes Apr 29 12:17:58 ILMD looked right with RS=30, but everything else looked wrong Apr 29 12:18:06 Maybe my phone is wierd. Apr 29 12:18:14 I'm up to 90 cycles with no learn Apr 29 12:18:27 SpeedEvil: you never did that probing with constant current? Apr 29 12:18:28 ShadowJK: any particular time of use before i give you the log or you just interested in the initial output? Apr 29 12:18:47 Villiny, oh the initial output of the "dump" version './bq27200.sh' Apr 29 12:18:51 DocScrutinizer: My soldering iron broke - I need to fix it Apr 29 12:18:54 roger Apr 29 12:19:02 frank Apr 29 12:19:10 george Apr 29 12:19:12 olaf Apr 29 12:19:17 marc Apr 29 12:19:20 Villiny, actually i'm interested in "Last Measured Discharge" and "Cycle Count since learning" lines :P Apr 29 12:19:25 karl Apr 29 12:19:37 http://pastebin.com/zazbAihP Apr 29 12:19:50 i love when paypal sends me an email "donation received" \o/ Apr 29 12:20:03 SpeedEvil, see, his N900 has completed a learning cycle :-) Apr 29 12:20:19 Villiny: there's a simpler way: bq | pastebinit - Apr 29 12:20:26 ShadowJK: third charge - just woke up and disconnected charger and have been listening to last.fm via vagalume via wlan to drain the battery a bit Apr 29 12:20:53 DocScrutinizer: the device can output it there directly?Ä cool :) Apr 29 12:20:59 1779 = 2056 (default) - 2056 / 8 (maximum learn-down per learning cycle) Apr 29 12:21:24 i messed up my irssi Apr 29 12:21:24 ShadowJK: http://pastebin.com/hjm7YRw3 Apr 29 12:21:36 Villiny: even: bq | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 Apr 29 12:22:18 vill: you've got a stock battery? Apr 29 12:22:25 Villiny, so if this is the default nokia battery it'll actually go empty at around 30% or so, if it's the mugen battery it'll run for ages after reaching 6.25% Apr 29 12:22:27 SpeedEvil: no thats the mugen Apr 29 12:22:31 ah Apr 29 12:22:44 SpeedEvil, but his learning cycle happened before the mugen, if he only did one cycle on mugen Apr 29 12:22:58 that's a point Apr 29 12:23:08 1965 = 2056 minus aging algorithm? :) Apr 29 12:23:11 ShadowJK: should i "learn" it the mugen somehow? Apr 29 12:23:16 how long after getting the phone did you bigger battery? Apr 29 12:23:26 1.5 weeks? Apr 29 12:23:44 Villiny, it's kinda tricky.. it disqualifies "extreme" changes... Apr 29 12:24:03 oh k Apr 29 12:24:43 ShadowJK: of mine - Last Measured Discharge: 1965 mAh - ... Apr 29 12:24:47 so anything you would recommend me to do? Apr 29 12:24:49 ShadowJK: that's with a rs=20 Apr 29 12:25:33 * SpeedEvil has doubts. Apr 29 12:25:36 SpeedEvil, I guess that's 90 cycles and the aging algorithm that drops last measured discharge with time Apr 29 12:25:52 oh - LMD isn't LMD Apr 29 12:25:54 * ShadowJK should extract the aging parameters at some point Apr 29 12:26:14 ( Villiny, so if this is the default nokia battery it'll actually go empty at around 30%) will result in learning cycle and be corrected from there on Apr 29 12:26:18 oh Apr 29 12:26:38 last 'measured' was 90 cycles ago - right Apr 29 12:26:48 The others were always disqualified Apr 29 12:27:30 DocScrutinizer, well if you're lucky... The learning threshold voltage is 3248, and it disqualifies "big" changes.. and the shutdown voltage is 3200mV.. It needs to stay below 3248, but above 3200 for several seconds.. If it dips below 3200 and triggers shutdown, the voltage will rise when the N900 is no longer eating power.. Apr 29 12:27:31 yeah- CI=1 Apr 29 12:27:44 I've never had a measurement below 3240 Apr 29 12:28:01 Does any1 know when new update comes 4 maemo 5? Apr 29 12:28:07 Last log you pasted you were at like 350mA consumption rate too :P Apr 29 12:28:11 iPeter-, no. Apr 29 12:28:15 :< Apr 29 12:28:30 ShadowJK: anything else i could do now? im a little confused with everything :) Apr 29 12:28:36 iPeter-, also, you missed 2 and 3 Apr 29 12:29:00 mece: ? Apr 29 12:29:02 ShadowJK: the shutdown should have a decent debounce time as welkl Apr 29 12:29:11 14:26 3253 36 36 -321 477 477 477 65535 89 292 0 Apr 29 12:29:11 - yeah - forex Apr 29 12:29:31 SpeedEvil, it drops too fast at that rate ;) Apr 29 12:29:43 My only successful calibration cycles have been with ~100mA consumption Apr 29 12:29:54 nothing, just making fun of the use of numbers. Perhaps "any 1 want 2 know wh3n new update comes 4 maemo 5?" Apr 29 12:30:21 mece: Yeah, i dont usually do that, but now i felt i have to be "cool" :D Apr 29 12:30:27 ShadowJK: 15:48 3349 35 35 -66 461 461 461 65535 416 290 0 Apr 29 12:30:28 15:48 3311 35 35 -111 461 461 461 65535 248 290 0 Apr 29 12:30:28 is a more representative shutoff Apr 29 12:30:32 iPeter-: to answer your question, yes, someone does know Apr 29 12:30:43 iPeter-, :D Apr 29 12:30:53 SpeedEvil, there is a way to write a capacity into bq27200... Apr 29 12:30:55 if they are here or not, and if they are going to tell you is another matter Apr 29 12:30:57 ShadowJK: the 150ma (I had rs=30 here) spike is due to the battery shutoff scripts running Apr 29 12:30:57 iPeter-: reading topic is cool Apr 29 12:31:02 ShadowJK: with a vp pulse of 27v Apr 29 12:31:08 DocScrutinizer: No it isnt :< Apr 29 12:31:18 OMFG Apr 29 12:31:24 Maybe it would be cool Apr 29 12:31:28 to read the topic, lol. Apr 29 12:31:35 Villiny, I think you need about 2 or 3 cycles, with luck, to make it calibrate itself.. it's not easy :D Apr 29 12:32:06 Is there a way to record video (or stills) from the front camera on n900? Apr 29 12:32:12 bbl, going to go pick up my rc heli sim :D Apr 29 12:32:15 ShadowJK: so, no there's not Apr 29 12:32:19 cycles being discharge and charge? Apr 29 12:32:24 ShadowJK: realflight ? Apr 29 12:32:32 Villiny: yep Apr 29 12:32:32 Psi, no :( Apr 29 12:32:38 ok :) Apr 29 12:32:44 Realflight rocks :) Apr 29 12:32:51 yeah Apr 29 12:33:05 Psi, basically I bought the esky sim because I get the controller.. (I have /NO/ rc stuff at all right now) Apr 29 12:33:25 Hey, could someone give a link how to complete backup phone, (calendar contacts, softwares etc.) and then reflash it. I think my maemo 5 is messed up. Apr 29 12:33:35 ~pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. Apr 29 12:33:36 Then I'm planning to get the esky honeybee fp once I can fly sims Apr 29 12:33:37 crashanddie: okay Apr 29 12:33:40 Psi: Saves me 10k a night when trying out new 3d moves :) Apr 29 12:33:49 hah yeah Apr 29 12:34:12 ShadowJK: what volts do you see your shutdowns script kicking in at? Apr 29 12:34:48 iirc I've seen 3210 Apr 29 12:35:07 but that was probably with device "idle" Apr 29 12:35:53 honestly, I hope bq27200 percentage isn't used to shut down system :-( Apr 29 12:36:09 ~nuke bme Apr 29 12:36:10 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at bme ... B☢☢M! Apr 29 12:36:46 damn that topic is long Apr 29 12:37:13 DocScrutinizer, hah, it's not Apr 29 12:37:15 ~3300 looks to me Apr 29 12:37:27 odd Apr 29 12:37:30 I've had bq sitting at 0% for half a day Apr 29 12:37:34 ShadowJK: was this with the mugen? Apr 29 12:37:40 Apr 29 12:37:44 ShadowJK: pffft OK Apr 29 12:37:47 ah, healthcheck does that Apr 29 12:37:50 SpeedEvil, no that was with original battery Apr 29 12:37:57 no wait Apr 29 12:38:00 yeah it was with mugen Apr 29 12:38:04 gevaerts, does what? Apr 29 12:38:21 Instantaneous spike to <3200 maybe? Apr 29 12:38:23 MohammadAG: take still images using the front side camera Apr 29 12:38:33 oh Apr 29 12:40:01 yeah I had better luck in offline mode... Apr 29 12:40:01 less spikes I guess Apr 29 12:40:01 /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video1 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/fronttest$x$y.png Apr 29 12:40:01 gevaerts: Apr 29 12:40:01 * Psi takes a note of that line Apr 29 12:40:11 i've heard last time someone have install qt4.6 on pr1.1.1 ... does he is in the room ? Apr 29 12:40:41 Khertan: qt4-maemo5 in -devel Apr 29 12:40:43 qt4.6 as in libqt4-devel or ? Apr 29 12:40:46 SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: you might be interested in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/batlog.txt.odf Apr 29 12:41:19 see the comments in the last col of the table Apr 29 12:41:27 Ok - that seems to be getting a black pic Apr 29 12:41:42 what's an odf? Apr 29 12:41:51 odd file Apr 29 12:41:51 OOo calc Apr 29 12:41:52 X-Fade: it s qt 4.5 in extras-devel, isn't it ? Apr 29 12:41:53 open document format Apr 29 12:42:01 Khertan: no Apr 29 12:42:03 or sommat? Apr 29 12:42:10 oh ... thx for the information Apr 29 12:42:12 Khertan: 4.6.2 Apr 29 12:42:13 Khertan, 4.6.2 Apr 29 12:42:30 SpeedEvil: thanks! Apr 29 12:42:37 DocScrutinizer, presumably that's freerunner? Apr 29 12:42:52 i think qt4.6 will be release with pr1.2 Apr 29 12:42:53 DocScrutinizer, do you know the EDV1 threshold on that? Apr 29 12:42:54 thx Apr 29 12:42:56 Khertan: note that 4.6.2 on PR1.1 is not quite the same as 4.6.2 on PR1.2 Apr 29 12:43:07 ? Apr 29 12:43:12 achipa: now how would you know that? :) Apr 29 12:43:18 ShadowJK: not off top of my head Apr 29 12:43:28 achipa: ? example ? Apr 29 12:43:48 ShadowJK: yep, FR GTA02 battery, bq27000 Apr 29 12:44:00 crashanddie: because the Trolls said so on the Maemo5 platform specifics page Apr 29 12:44:01 :) Apr 29 12:44:05 Khertan: http://doc.trolltech.com/qt-maemo-4.6/platform-notes-maemo5.html Apr 29 12:44:11 towards the end of the page Apr 29 12:44:17 achipa: thx Apr 29 12:44:24 DocScrutinizer, it looks like bq2700 in fta02 battery has sane parameters in eeprom... :-) Apr 29 12:44:25 mostly styling issues, but might be a catch or two Apr 29 12:44:39 ShadowJK: somewhat, yes Apr 29 12:44:48 heh, auto orientation is fixed by the pr1.2 hildon-desktop Apr 29 12:44:54 nokia bq27200 looks a bit clinically insane or just "meh, just use whatever is TI default" Apr 29 12:45:06 maybe Apr 29 12:45:22 achipa: mostly not a problem for dev on device. Thx Apr 29 12:45:34 anyway, bbl Apr 29 12:45:41 they probably never planned to use the functions that need eeprom presets Apr 29 12:46:06 Khertan: I think the only 'real' issue is the autoorientation one Apr 29 12:46:19 other than that, I guess you're ok Apr 29 12:46:37 * DocScrutinizer runs for another coffee Apr 29 12:46:45 ~pr1.2 Apr 29 12:46:47 methinks pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. Apr 29 12:47:12 ~pr1.2 Apr 29 12:47:13 pr1.2 is probably not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. Apr 29 12:47:17 bwuahaha. nice one. Apr 29 12:47:40 asking what? Apr 29 12:48:16 achipa: i ll implement it when everything else will be done Apr 29 12:48:35 and as my soft is far from finished ... i think pr1.2 will be release during this time :) Apr 29 12:48:42 :) Apr 29 12:50:39 ShadowJK: Surely with the initial discharge set to 2056 - the battery will never actuall learn - with the stock nokia Apr 29 12:50:40 I wonder if the N900 will do well in the upcoming far east release.. Apr 29 12:51:04 * SpeedEvil hopes the handwriting recog can be perverted Apr 29 12:51:08 far east release requires PR1.2 iirc Apr 29 12:51:36 apparently so, but still. There seems to be some buzz about it at least. Apr 29 12:52:17 and does .au come under your description of 'far east' ? Apr 29 12:52:24 dunno. Apr 29 12:52:35 I only heard about hong kong and philippines Apr 29 12:53:13 ok there goes a n900 tweet from hong kong :) Apr 29 12:53:27 "First tweet from Nokia N900, still can't type Chinese in apps" Apr 29 12:53:35 hum strange ... i ve some depandancy issues with PyQt :( Apr 29 12:53:48 Khertan, yep. It's the pr1.2 Apr 29 12:53:52 I fixed it with... Apr 29 12:53:58 waitup I'll check how I did it. Apr 29 12:54:57 Khertan, ok it was pyside, but should be same problem for pyqt. Apr 29 12:55:18 for pyside it s the same Apr 29 12:55:33 I did apt-get install pyside-qt4-core=0.2.3-1maemo3 Apr 29 12:55:36 it worked. Apr 29 12:55:40 oh , hp buy palm Apr 29 12:56:07 * Khertan prefer pyside but just hope that in 0.3.0 QHightliting is working Apr 29 12:57:37 anyone know where I can download the PyMaemo and PyGTK documentation for offline mode? Apr 29 12:57:49 I'm going to be spending 35h on planes, so I might as well be ready Apr 29 12:58:09 I use wget -m Apr 29 13:00:10 Khertan: what issues ? (pyqt) Apr 29 13:01:33 achipa: using Pyside on QSyntaxHilighting i didn't see any hilighting Apr 29 13:01:47 changing the import by PyQt4, it s works Apr 29 13:01:48 :) Apr 29 13:02:45 :) Apr 29 13:04:36 I have fremantle platform on N900 ,how can start running qt progs on this one ? Apr 29 13:06:04 SpeedEvil: >> In the event that some abnormal situation occurs that could cause a significant reduction in learned capacity, the LMD value is restricted to a maximum LMD learn-down during any single learning discharge of LMD/8<< Apr 29 13:06:24 SpeedEvil: IN THE EVENT THAT Apr 29 13:06:28 But if the capacity is >lmd/8 different - it will never surely learn? Apr 29 13:07:29 SpeedEvil: I read this like under normal conditions not disqualifying the learning cycle, it may readjust to larger offsets than LMD*1,125 Apr 29 13:08:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWPNNBepBUw&feature=player_embedded oh awesome \o/ Apr 29 13:08:25 DocScrutinizer: yeah - it's unclear. Apr 29 13:08:51 DocScrutinizer: Does 'restricted' mean 'cycle disqualified' - or 'will only go down by 1/8' Apr 29 13:08:55 as many of the more internal details of bq27x00 are :-S Apr 29 13:09:52 * SpeedEvil bothers TI about it. Apr 29 13:10:31 sounds like a plan Apr 29 13:14:22 * tybollt guess speedevil got the pen out olready - cause there's gonna be a whole lota NDA signed :) Apr 29 13:14:27 actually it may have 3 meanings: a) on detection of exception condition, LMD may adjust not more than 1/8 b) on LMD adjustment resulting in >1/8 it is limited to 1/8 c) on LMD adjustment resulting in >1/8 the LMD adjsutment is discarded Apr 29 13:15:04 "Hi, is this TI receptionist?" -Sorry, can't comment - you have to sign an NDA before I can comment any further... Apr 29 13:15:22 tybollt: nah, chances are they will ignore him. But they won't need a NDA signed to answer if that statement actually means a) b) c) or what else Apr 29 13:16:06 DocScrutinizer: put you money where you mouth is :-) Ten dollars, shall we say? Apr 29 13:16:42 You'll need an NDA before they'll confirm if the question makes sense Apr 29 13:17:16 that would imply I deal with TI myself, to make sure the request is polite and reasonable. So, no - to low a wage/h Apr 29 13:19:11 considering the datasheet for bq27x00 is freely available, I really doubt there's any NDA involved for asking a simple question about it Apr 29 13:19:55 tybollt: waaah, and then ask me to create a paypal account so you can send the 10 bucks? NOOOO WAY Apr 29 13:26:02 hey all Apr 29 13:26:15 anyone on OpenSuse 11.2? Apr 29 13:28:47 SpeedEvil: >> If EDV1 = 1 occurs when NAC > LMD/16, NAC = LMD/16 will be forced.<< Apr 29 13:29:29 hmm, on second thought that doesn't help much Apr 29 13:29:33 nevermind Apr 29 13:30:03 maddler: What do you want to know? Apr 29 13:30:27 http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/battery_management/f/180/p/43737/152828.aspx#152828 Apr 29 13:32:24 SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: btw ILMD is (1)Divide by Rs in milliohms to convert µV to mA or µVh to mAh. Apr 29 13:32:26 SpeedEvil, in practice I noticed with original nokia battery that it learned it in steps of LMD/8 until reaching the right result Apr 29 13:32:39 and R/W, whatever that means for EEPROM Apr 29 13:32:47 DocScrutinizer, hm, do I do something different now? Apr 29 13:33:42 DocScrutinizer: yes Apr 29 13:33:55 no, you don't Apr 29 13:34:01 ShadowJK: dunno, but at least it might be random bogus EEPROM setting, or your assumption of Rs is erroneous Apr 29 13:34:09 ILMD=$(($ILMD * 913920 / $RS / 1000)) Apr 29 13:34:13 DocScrutinizer: it's not _that_ erroneous Apr 29 13:34:25 At first I set RS so that ILMD came out as 1320.. Apr 29 13:35:08 DocScrutinizer: I get 850mAh- integrating assuming rs=20 - but that was from ~90% capacity Apr 29 13:35:24 So 1000mAh is probably not insane Apr 29 13:35:49 I get 2300-2400 integrating mugen battery assuming rs=20 :-) Apr 29 13:36:00 sorry I don't follow the math in your heads. Just pointing at it Apr 29 13:36:16 lol Apr 29 13:36:32 And added to the fact that that's terminating at 3.3V, starting at 4.14V even at 100%, and it's 90 cycles in, makes the stated 1250mAh capacity about right Apr 29 13:37:00 that reminds me, I need to put my spare battery in the freezer Apr 29 13:37:07 I.E. I have not the slightest idea aBOUT THE RAW VALUES AND WHAT THEY MIGHT INDICATE IN WHICH SITUATION WITH WHICH BATTERY AND rS Apr 29 13:37:16 ooops sorry capslock Apr 29 13:37:33 I convert all the raw values to real units Apr 29 13:37:43 I know Apr 29 13:37:52 and zhat's my point Apr 29 13:38:08 script reports 2056 Apr 29 13:38:23 ILMD Apr 29 13:38:31 If you want it to say 1320 change RS to 31 at the top :-) Apr 29 13:38:49 and that's after applying a Rs of, err. 20mR? Apr 29 13:38:50 ah back to battery discussion Apr 29 13:39:13 Villiny: we never left the topic ;-P Apr 29 13:39:24 good :) Apr 29 13:39:52 * DocScrutinizer prods SpeedEvil to fix his soldering iron, so we get decent numbers based on tests at last Apr 29 13:40:06 my mA shows -200~--500~ in the sh script ShadowJK, what am i supposed to look at to get ANY idea of whats going on? :) Apr 29 13:40:10 20mR is the datasheet suggested Apr 29 13:40:26 Villiny: 200mA means it will discharge fully in around 6h Apr 29 13:40:28 thats minus two hundred ish to minus five hundred ish Apr 29 13:40:40 -500 means it will charge in about 2 hours Apr 29 13:40:45 EHLO PUNKS Apr 29 13:40:46 discharge Apr 29 13:40:50 The battery capacity is around 1.2 amp-hours or so Apr 29 13:40:52 moo RST38bis Apr 29 13:40:56 unless I reversed the sign.. Apr 29 13:40:57 1200mAh Apr 29 13:41:07 hi rst-punk Apr 29 13:41:15 SpeedEvil: but this is the 2400 mugen one, still :) Apr 29 13:41:25 It can supply 10mA for 120 hours (deepest standby) or 200mA for 6 hours Apr 29 13:41:37 DocScrutinizer, if RS=30 is at the top of the script, than all calculations will be done with the assumption that the bq27200 sense resistor is 20mOhm Apr 29 13:41:39 ah so i's the current usage then? Apr 29 13:41:52 ShadowJK: you mean 20 Apr 29 13:41:57 javispedro: How are things? =) Apr 29 13:42:00 uh yeha Apr 29 13:42:02 Villiny: yes Apr 29 13:42:14 I mean I haven't hardcoded 20 anywhere Apr 29 13:42:15 1272115415 91% 2mA 4016mV 1150000 0 1100000 0 1000000 0 950000 0 900000 0 850000 0 805000 0 750000 0 700000 0 600000 1771500 550000 51827 500000 2184467 250000 30466149 125000 0 Apr 29 13:42:15 oops Apr 29 13:42:31 * DocScrutinizer needs some UV to build up vitamine D ;-P Apr 29 13:43:02 mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP EDV1 Apr 29 13:43:02 13:04 3923 85 85 -148 1123 1120 1120 65535 451 302 0 Apr 29 13:43:04 unix time :-) Apr 29 13:43:11 ShadowJK: yeah, I scrutinized the script thoroughly Apr 29 13:44:13 Villiny, "NAC" column is estimated remaining capacity in mAh. RSOC/CSOC is estimated remaining battery in percent Apr 29 13:44:19 this means that at 13:04 - the battery voltage was 3.923 volts (it varies between about 4.14 fully charged to 3.2 empty), the state of charge was 85% (and the load compensated state of charge was also 85%) - the drain from the battery is 148mA - it will discharge in about 5h Apr 29 13:44:24 err 8h Apr 29 13:44:38 thanks ShadowJK :] Apr 29 13:44:55 TTF is 65536 indicating it is not charging Apr 29 13:45:11 and tte time to empty is 451 - meaning it thinks it's 451 minutes till empty. Apr 29 13:45:22 temp is 302 kelving - about 32c Apr 29 13:45:27 RSOC and CSOC never seen to differ Apr 29 13:45:37 They sometimes do Apr 29 13:45:44 13:06 3769 85 84 -531 1114 1103 1103 65535 124 304 0 Apr 29 13:45:46 65535 means NAN Apr 29 13:45:50 theeeere we go Apr 29 13:45:55 800 mA usage Apr 29 13:46:05 so Apr 29 13:46:50 i have seen several packages that cannot be installed because various Qt libs are missing Apr 29 13:47:06 are those packages that will work with the next version of maemo, or is there a way to install Qt? Apr 29 13:47:10 * DocScrutinizer runs away, screaming Apr 29 13:47:45 with bounce, vagalume and maps and joikuspot running at the same time i can get the power usage near 900 :) Apr 29 13:47:46 Shapeshifter: alarmed -> qt4.6.2 missing :-/ Apr 29 13:47:54 DocScrutinizer: from me? Apr 29 13:48:13 BCMM, if there are uninstabllable packages in extras, then it's a bug. Otheriwise, well, I guess the disclaimer about extras-testing and extras-devel possibly being broken came true Apr 29 13:48:13 Villiny: you forgot recording a movie Apr 29 13:48:27 DocScrutinizer, O Apr 29 13:48:38 DocScrutinizer, I've seen CSOC and RSOC differ :) Apr 29 13:48:39 ShadowJK: i'm not too knowledgable about debian... Apr 29 13:48:45 Need some 600+ mA load for it though Apr 29 13:48:54 DocScrutinizer, mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip Apr 29 13:48:55 i'm trying to install FreOffice Apr 29 13:49:03 it is from extras-devel Apr 29 13:49:14 BCMM, so basically at this point many things in extras-testing and extras-devel will only work with the next version of the firmware. Apr 29 13:49:33 BCMM that is for PR1.2 only. Apr 29 13:49:39 RST38bis: moving nicely. you? Apr 29 13:49:41 it wants libqt4-* >= 4.6.2~git20100224 Apr 29 13:49:43 okay i got it up to 1050 with the movie SpeedEvil - so thats 1A usage eh? Apr 29 13:49:51 BCMM: Especially written for PR1.2 Apr 29 13:49:58 X-Fade: thanks Apr 29 13:50:04 Villiny: yes Apr 29 13:50:09 X-Fade: i don't actually know how that numbering system works Apr 29 13:50:12 X-Fade: what is PR1.2? Apr 29 13:50:18 Villiny, is that with 3g data on? :-) Apr 29 13:50:21 Villiny: FM transmitter/bluetooth on too. Apr 29 13:50:37 BCMM: Changelog even says just that: " * Upgraded control to require newer library versions." Apr 29 13:50:47 MLI: 1029 mA MLTTE: 74 minutes Apr 29 13:50:57 BCMM: PR1.2 is the next firmware release; if apps use newer firmware features there's not much to do. Apr 29 13:50:59 ShadowJK: listening to last.fm with it while it's sharing that 3g via wlan with joikuspot :) Apr 29 13:51:01 X-Fade: how do you find the changelog? Apr 29 13:51:05 Max Load Current.. it gets adjusted upwards when you break a new record, then it's slowly reduced :) Apr 29 13:51:16 javispedro: so pr1.2 is not released yet? Apr 29 13:51:18 BCMM: Changelog is in the package. Apr 29 13:51:20 nope. Apr 29 13:51:37 BCMM: And visible here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/freoffice/0.2-4/ Apr 29 13:51:40 javispedro: Very busy and wishing to kill everyone around. Apr 29 13:51:59 * javispedro passes some ammo around Apr 29 13:52:29 * lcuk replaces the ammo with bacon Apr 29 13:52:37 * javispedro eats the ammo Apr 29 13:53:03 * BCMM eats the maemo Apr 29 13:53:24 so is there a release date for PR1.2, or is it "when it's done"? Apr 29 13:53:31 2012 Apr 29 13:53:47 Possibly even earlier ;) Apr 29 13:54:04 and read the topic before DocS notices Apr 29 13:54:06 when it happens, does one just get it like a normal software update? Apr 29 13:54:06 everytime somebody asks for PR 1.2, release date is pushed one day further.. Apr 29 13:55:26 Is PR1.1 ready? Apr 29 13:55:29 what the wiki says "PR 1.1.1 was the preparatory release for PR1.2", do they mean that it's sort of like an RC, or like the last bugfix release to the previous version? Apr 29 13:55:29 because god kills a pr1.2 developer and tester? Apr 29 13:56:04 SpeedEvil: isn't there a limit to how much power i want it to drain so that it doesn't damage itself :P Apr 29 13:56:08 it IS running overclocked... Apr 29 13:57:09 heat wise that is Apr 29 13:57:22 and are the camera leds built to withstand longer periods of being on? Apr 29 13:57:30 or do they get damaged if they are on constantly? Apr 29 13:58:03 (hopefully) a simple question. Does anyone know where conversation's SMS messages are stored? Apr 29 13:58:03 can I have PR 1.2? Apr 29 13:58:06 :-D Apr 29 13:58:22 kamui: absolutely not. Now we have to wait ANOTHER week because you asked... *sigh* :P Apr 29 13:58:27 kamui, lucid lynx came out today so go have fun with that for a while :) Apr 29 13:58:46 so what exactly is a "firmware update" in this context? Like a new minor distro version? Apr 29 13:58:53 oh cool, my laptops been running memtest for 20 hours... whoops :/ Apr 29 13:59:30 news break: they're planning to skip 1.2 and update straight to PR1.3. Changelog: mana generators in phone application! -- estimated release date: 2048 Apr 29 13:59:43 (subject to further delays) Apr 29 13:59:45 baa? Apr 29 13:59:50 2^11 Apr 29 13:59:57 PR1.3 WILL BE POWERED BY PONIES Apr 29 14:00:12 either that or built up suspension Apr 29 14:01:08 Gizmokid2005, first of all, I only extended the release date by 1 DAY Apr 29 14:01:09 is there any practical difference in charging the battery with the phone "off" and "on" ? Apr 29 14:01:11 :) Apr 29 14:01:19 thats it, I don't have any more points Apr 29 14:01:34 kamui: LIES! Apr 29 14:01:35 [Villiny]: It probably charges faster with the phone "off" Apr 29 14:01:37 phone off == phone on in usb storage mode Apr 29 14:01:53 but less chances that you leave a cpu heavy application on Apr 29 14:01:56 i mean for the battery Apr 29 14:02:18 does it like... start charging it slightly dumber or something? or is it as big brothered as when charging in the booted os Apr 29 14:02:49 it boots the OS -- it doesn't allow you to run applications so as I said less chances you leave a cpu heavy application running Apr 29 14:03:13 right well, thank you Apr 29 14:03:43 (hopefully) a simple question. Does anyone know where conversation's SMS messages are stored? Bueller? Apr 29 14:04:36 MohammadAG_: Apr 29 14:04:41 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pyside-qt4-maemo5: Apr 29 14:04:43 pyside-qt4-maemo5 depends on libboost-python1.38.0 (>= 1.38.0-1); however: Apr 29 14:04:44 Package libboost-python1.38.0 is not installed. Apr 29 14:04:51 Gizmokid2005: sqlite db in home dir. Apr 29 14:05:47 X-Fade: apparently not apended with .sqlite? Apr 29 14:05:50 *appended Apr 29 14:07:56 is it still possible to install the old version of freoffice? Apr 29 14:08:26 Gizmokid2005: i found this : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34057 Apr 29 14:09:00 Villiny: Thanks. I just found that file with grep Apr 29 14:09:11 cool :) Apr 29 14:09:46 I just want to copy it to my desktop and check to see how many SMS I've managed to build up since I last deleted this conversation Apr 29 14:10:53 I mean, it's /only/ 2MB Apr 29 14:14:34 ~nuke pr1.2 autobuilder shit Apr 29 14:14:35 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at pr1.2 autobuilder shit ... B☢☢M! Apr 29 14:14:49 can you do a select from both of them and compare the lines amount? Apr 29 14:15:35 well at least he applied the rules consistently Apr 29 14:15:57 * javispedro 's not happy at the mention of pr1.2 autobuilder shit Apr 29 14:16:47 reading http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ Apr 29 14:16:49 no, you came up with a novel cool idea and helped improve compatability for all updates Apr 29 14:16:58 haha Apr 29 14:17:13 "We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2009, then the second half of 2009, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010. We think it will eventually ship, but were glad we didnt hold our breath." Apr 29 14:17:13 speculation thread is a total win Apr 29 14:17:45 flash is evil Apr 29 14:17:59 opensource or f##k of ) Apr 29 14:18:13 frals, hey Apr 29 14:18:25 i saw ur twit about fmms Apr 29 14:18:43 i think adobe should open source flash Apr 29 14:18:54 that would be right in face of apple Apr 29 14:18:58 http://www.ipix.lt/images/35939426.jpg Apr 29 14:19:17 not to say improved support for linux Apr 29 14:19:19 so does it use extra apn that is not changing default one or it changes setting and than changes it back? Apr 29 14:19:55 it adds a new apn and then makes a switcharoo if it finds itself being the default one ;) Apr 29 14:20:12 hm, does undervolting the CPU actually damage any parts of the pc? Apr 29 14:20:46 mikki-kun: i would imagine data corruption would be the only worry Apr 29 14:21:13 in which way? Apr 29 14:21:37 imagine a guy comes to work and hasn't slept in 2 days... he starts to file papers all around and messes up constantly because of his sleep deprivation Apr 29 14:21:45 switch out guy with cpu and sleep with voltage Apr 29 14:22:06 mikki-kun, it can burn your processor down to pentium 133mmx Apr 29 14:22:10 ohhh, so now that's something pretty easy to imagine :D Apr 29 14:22:17 :) Apr 29 14:22:31 i effs up your files due to underperfoming is how i understood it Apr 29 14:23:21 actually nothing for sure until u test it Apr 29 14:23:40 is danielwilms is a nokia spy? Apr 29 14:23:41 yeah it doesn't necessarily have to happen Apr 29 14:23:54 hm, when was the n900 coming out in HK? Apr 29 14:24:16 i don't like that nokia.com in his ip Apr 29 14:24:45 mikki-kun: undervolting is a generally bad idea, as there's a well tested range of operation for core voltage. TI did a lot of testing to come up with optimum values, and you won't outsmart the TI engineers on that one Apr 29 14:24:49 ZogG_N900 I'm not really a spy :) officially working in the community support :) Apr 29 14:25:02 a spy! conspiracy! >:) Apr 29 14:25:16 :D Apr 29 14:25:19 mikki-kun, as i know today is presentation and it would be sold on sat Apr 29 14:25:49 danielwilms, do you really wanna make it to yourself? Apr 29 14:26:03 if it has pr1.2 then i feel kind of treated unfair Apr 29 14:26:19 mikki-kun: and before you ask: no, undervolting does NOT stop evil damaging effects of overclocking Apr 29 14:26:41 mikki-kun, i don't care to wait until i get what i expect Apr 29 14:26:46 mikki-kun: rather it adds to the posiible issues you're running into Apr 29 14:26:47 ZogG_N900 ?? Apr 29 14:27:24 danielwilms, all the pr1.2 question we would ask Apr 29 14:27:31 noooooooooooooooooo Apr 29 14:27:42 oh yes ) Apr 29 14:27:45 DocScrutinizer: well, i wouldn't have thought this would "help"... OCing is generally not nice Apr 29 14:27:56 ZogG_N900: You can ask, don't expect an answer though ;) Apr 29 14:28:10 not nice? my n900 became a freaking lightning after oc mikki-kun - no problems yet Apr 29 14:28:16 knock on plywood Apr 29 14:28:32 X-Fade, i would like answer but i know i wouldn't get tit so joking around Apr 29 14:28:42 ZogG_N900 :) sorry Apr 29 14:28:43 Villiny: who tells you that it won't burn out in a couple of months? ;) Apr 29 14:28:56 mikki-kun: undervolt may help to reduce power consumption by a few percent, but it clearly sacrifices reliability of the CPU operations Apr 29 14:28:58 common sense? mikki-kun ? :P Apr 29 14:29:17 * lcuk waves @ danielwilms \o Apr 29 14:29:23 nah i run all my computers overclocked all the time and nothing bad has happened yet... i keep in the safe and working range Apr 29 14:29:38 btw lcuk, playing with liqopengl ? ;) Apr 29 14:29:53 i still didnt finish dreaming void! Apr 29 14:30:03 Villiny: how much did you OC your n900? Apr 29 14:30:06 got a few pages left then the opengl book is my mistress for a while Apr 29 14:30:09 to 900 Apr 29 14:30:13 lol :D Apr 29 14:30:20 Villiny: and your car became lightning fast after removing the RPM limiter and driving the engine at 11.00 RPM Apr 29 14:30:23 lcuk hey :) Apr 29 14:30:33 DocScrutinizer: don't be a party pooper Apr 29 14:30:39 so there are people that know but don't tell - respect. not like other companies with leaking rats Apr 29 14:30:40 DocScrutinizer: huh. was there an update? well in any case, there has been a problem like forever since autobuilder changed to pr1.2 Maybe the pyside guys require 4.6 now, no idea. I posted instructions in the tmo thread a while ago and at the time they worked. Apr 29 14:30:50 sorry guys...have to leave now! see you around! Apr 29 14:30:52 Villiny: I got absolutely ZERO humor oin that topic Apr 29 14:31:02 why is that exactly? Apr 29 14:31:09 and yeah you seem zealous on the subject Apr 29 14:31:24 danielwilms, i hear you have become a barefoot believer? Apr 29 14:31:39 DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 here Apr 29 14:32:14 Villiny: you're free to do crash races with your car, or retrofit N2O injection. But don't ever suggest to anybody else it is safe Apr 29 14:32:16 i'm bored at work Apr 29 14:32:28 hate guarding minister office Apr 29 14:32:39 Shapeshifter: the issue with pyside is that the way it is designed, it will always depend on the newest version Apr 29 14:32:41 ZogG_N900, then go tell your boss you need some action Apr 29 14:32:42 DocScrutinizer: yes i get your point - im just wondering why you feel so strongly about it Apr 29 14:32:43 now I'm happy I started with sim instead of real RC heli.. Apr 29 14:32:52 cause they autogenerate bindings from headers Apr 29 14:32:58 when my N900 is locked and someone call, the screen is not locked anymore: therefore, if my N900 is in my pocket, I can hang up or take the call without willing to do it, simply by trying to get it out of my pocket and touching the screen. Apr 29 14:33:02 ShadowJK: Tsss, weak ;) Apr 29 14:33:04 how can I avoid this ? Apr 29 14:33:08 javispedro: Well. then it should be released together with the latest version ;) Apr 29 14:33:12 lcuk, i just want to kill some hours and got a beer Apr 29 14:33:16 and I guess it will be at some point Apr 29 14:33:20 DocScrutinizer, very wise words Apr 29 14:33:25 Shapeshifter: yes Apr 29 14:33:25 peetah: didn't you ask this question a few days ago? Apr 29 14:33:31 nope Apr 29 14:33:42 someone asked the exact same question Apr 29 14:33:59 Shapeshifter, don't think so Apr 29 14:34:04 Villiny: because those OC-idiots make Nokia refuse a repair for my device "OC caused, repair rejected" and I can't argue against that. And because I never again will buy a used N900 and feel I did a save buy Apr 29 14:34:08 as i know it wouldn't Apr 29 14:34:10 safe* Apr 29 14:34:10 DocScrutinizer: do not compare N20 with O/C cause that incites people to try O/C! Apr 29 14:34:13 oscillik: was'nt me Apr 29 14:34:14 it's common sense really - place the phone in your pocket so that the screen is facing your leg. that way you're unlikely to touch the screen when taking it out of your pocket Apr 29 14:34:22 i even think i know the reason Apr 29 14:34:42 you bought a used n900 that was oc'd? Apr 29 14:35:06 much like the "Red pill" name incited people to try it... Apr 29 14:35:23 DocScrutinizer: ? Apr 29 14:35:35 that's what I did, but it still happens sometimes, simply because I'm in a hurry to get the call Apr 29 14:35:38 bought used oc'd phone? Apr 29 14:35:50 and anyway, that's not a real solution Apr 29 14:35:55 Villiny: not yet, but from now on I'll never know Apr 29 14:36:21 real solution would be to be able to configure the phone so that the screen is locked unless I say so Apr 29 14:36:37 will nokia actually know if a device has been oc'd if you return it to factory state? Apr 29 14:36:46 peetah: that's funny - i've never inadvertantly cancelled a call by accidentally touching the screen. Apr 29 14:36:52 i think people have to learn telekinetics and teleports so we don't need any phones Apr 29 14:37:02 telekinez Apr 29 14:37:02 oscillik: well i did Apr 29 14:37:18 me either Apr 29 14:37:18 Villiny, the hole left by the molten core of the cpu dropping out the bottom will be a general indicator Apr 29 14:37:23 DocScrutinizer: mines oc'd so don't buy mine :) Apr 29 14:37:25 oscillik: and believe me, that's not funny when the cancelled call comes from your boss Apr 29 14:37:25 neither* Apr 29 14:37:31 peetah: then you're not being careful enough? it's very easy to take the phone out of a pocket by gripping the side of the phone Apr 29 14:37:34 lcuk: way to exaggerate :P Apr 29 14:37:39 Villiny: they will have ways to tell, but those are expensive. So they will go the nasty way and simply assume OC for certain error patterns Apr 29 14:37:49 peetah: the phone will remain locked if the proximity sensor is blocked Apr 29 14:37:58 for example by a case Apr 29 14:37:59 unless you're one of those people that likes to wear skin-tight leather pants? Apr 29 14:38:26 Villiny: the point is *I* do NOT have any viable way to proove it's not been OCd Apr 29 14:38:33 oscillik, haha Apr 29 14:38:38 oscillik: not a skin tight kind of guy :) Apr 29 14:38:46 DocScrutinizer: ok i understand your point. Apr 29 14:38:49 or u like people that like to wear ... Apr 29 14:39:03 more a sat guy trying to reach his phone in his blue jean's pocket Apr 29 14:39:21 peetah i'we never accidentally anything on the phone yet Apr 29 14:39:23 man u don't really need phone Apr 29 14:39:32 it's your prison Apr 29 14:39:36 get rid of it Apr 29 14:39:52 * peetah throw N900 in the river Apr 29 14:40:01 ZogG_N900: thanks I feel much better now :) Apr 29 14:40:04 mikki-kun: im obliged to tell you that overclocking will kill your warranty and it might not be safe for the hardware Apr 29 14:40:07 DocScrutinizer, loved that temp suffix in nick Apr 29 14:40:16 i hope everyones happy now Apr 29 14:40:25 i myself prefer to be able to watch flash videos :] Apr 29 14:40:29 no i'm not Apr 29 14:40:38 i'm never really happy Apr 29 14:40:48 Villiny: well, killing my warranty was known to me Apr 29 14:41:04 ZogG_N900: friggin xchat on N900 is joyfully reregistering every 5min lately Apr 29 14:41:08 sorry Apr 29 14:41:10 but i didn't know wheter is was now in a way safe or not for it Apr 29 14:41:24 DocScrutinizer: why not use irssi on the n900? Apr 29 14:41:39 DocScrutinizer, r u from n900? Apr 29 14:41:45 mikki-kun: as i said, i'we had no trouble and it almost seems as if battery life improved as well... check the OC thread on maemo talk for more info Apr 29 14:41:46 i'm too right now Apr 29 14:41:47 X-Fade, I need to make my fingers manipulate these sticks to do what my brain says :) Apr 29 14:41:49 no burnt units yet Apr 29 14:41:56 I'm used to xchat for >2 years now, on N810 Apr 29 14:42:07 X-Fade, I have to think about moving the sticks, which isn't going to work :) Have to practice that away :P Apr 29 14:42:10 yeah, irssi isn't for everyone mikki-kun Apr 29 14:42:15 i love it on desctop Apr 29 14:42:28 im using irssi on w764 via ssh on my unix server atm, i never use this thing long enough to learn it properly :) Apr 29 14:42:58 it's all what u r regular for Apr 29 14:42:59 used to* Apr 29 14:42:59 ZogG_N900: /whois DocScrutinizer51 Apr 29 14:42:59 sorry for my crappy english Apr 29 14:43:01 oscillik: i just recommended a package which works at least on my n900 and is an alternative to xchat2 Apr 29 14:43:02 mainly because xchat isn't gratis on windows and i can't bare to use mirc Apr 29 14:43:17 there would also be pidgin and this irc-plugin afair Apr 29 14:43:48 DocScrutinizer, nothing interesting there Apr 29 14:44:15 pidgin is for icq only, maybe jabber Apr 29 14:44:22 mikki-kun: it's an alternative, yes..but it's a command-line application which, to some, can be difficult to use when you're used to a GUI based program. as far as IRC support in Pidgin, i personally would rather use mIRC than Pidgin for IRC. but that's just me :p Apr 29 14:44:37 Villiny: that is also the way i am connecting to the net.... via ssh to my pc and there using screen -dr irc ^^ Apr 29 14:44:51 gajim is much better but i have too many protocols to use different clients for each one of them Apr 29 14:44:54 oscillik: is there mIRC for the n900? Apr 29 14:45:00 oh my Apr 29 14:45:07 mikki-kun: :) my main irc window which i miisplaced somewhere is actually "Viliny" running on a irssi screen on my shell provider :) Apr 29 14:45:10 mirc is windows think Apr 29 14:45:18 and mirc is evil Apr 29 14:45:20 mikki-kun: nope there isn't, i just meant that even though i hate mIRC, i would still rather use that over using Pidgin IRC Apr 29 14:45:30 mikki-kun: I recommend you run a linux irc client Apr 29 14:45:36 mirc is the microsoft paint of irc clients Apr 29 14:45:50 ++ Apr 29 14:46:08 Appiah: isn't irssi a linux irc client? Ö.ö Apr 29 14:46:16 it is Apr 29 14:46:19 mikki-kun: yes it is Apr 29 14:46:25 yeah and that is what i am running Apr 29 14:46:28 it's console one Apr 29 14:46:35 i just like to keep my logs in one place Apr 29 14:46:46 therefore i use screen and ssh to connect to this pc here Apr 29 14:46:50 mikki-kun, we were talking about mirc Apr 29 14:46:51 from the n900 Apr 29 14:47:07 why? Apr 29 14:47:22 there is n900 version Apr 29 14:47:27 yeah i know Apr 29 14:47:28 just use it Apr 29 14:47:44 * DocScrutinizer points at bip and bouncers in general Apr 29 14:47:47 my battery is dieing ( Apr 29 14:47:51 ZogG_N900: are you trying to convert someone from irssi to mirc? P Apr 29 14:47:52 i think someone hasn't really been following the conversation in here :-/ Apr 29 14:48:06 more than one person by the look of it Apr 29 14:48:06 anyways Apr 29 14:48:16 there's no mirc for n900 Apr 29 14:48:17 Villiny, do i look like an idiot? Apr 29 14:48:36 or linux for that matter, unless you run wine Apr 29 14:48:56 as someone mention mirc other jump on him like he is suggesting it Apr 29 14:49:00 ZogG_N900: i am not using that really cause i also have here my IM-service server running Apr 29 14:49:04 but there's plenty of native irc clients on linux so Apr 29 14:49:16 ZogG_N900: photo please ;-P Apr 29 14:49:26 ZogG_N900: i haven't seen you :P Apr 29 14:50:21 DocScrutinizer, oh. it's not fair - than i do look like an idiot Apr 29 14:50:32 Appiah: you're completely missing the point due to the fact that you haven't followed the conversation properly. i wasn't suggesting using mIRC, i was mocking Pidgin's usefulness as an IRC client by saying that i would rather use mIRC than Pidgin Apr 29 14:50:54 * oscillik drops the topic completely due to the unwarranted fallout Apr 29 14:51:05 oscillik: I was just responding to the question "is there mirc for the n900" Apr 29 14:51:14 mIRC is awesome \o/ Apr 29 14:51:18 and i was me Apr 29 14:51:23 frals: :D Apr 29 14:51:28 :@) Apr 29 14:51:34 frals is awesome Apr 29 14:51:47 \m/ Apr 29 14:51:52 tis been my client of choice the last 10 years or so at least ;) Apr 29 14:52:03 me, myself, and I are yawning Apr 29 14:52:05 r u srs? Apr 29 14:52:18 yepp Apr 29 14:52:24 * MohammadAG_ slaps frals with a very large trout Apr 29 14:52:27 * frals slaps MohammadAG_ around a bit with a large trout Apr 29 14:52:46 proof that he uses mirc ^ Apr 29 14:52:52 frals is NOT awesome* Apr 29 14:53:01 which proof? Apr 29 14:53:21 "around a bit with a large trout" Apr 29 14:53:23 autoscriptanswerdamnmachine Apr 29 14:53:30 * DocScrutinizer slaps MohammadAG_ for dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pyside-qt4-maemo5: Apr 29 14:53:42 16:53 [FreeNode] CTCP VERSION reply from frals: irssi v0.8.15 - running on Linux armv5tel Apr 29 14:53:47 hum ;) Apr 29 14:53:48 oh i want that script Apr 29 14:54:06 irssi proxy Apr 29 14:54:23 as i use ssh+screen on my n900 :p Apr 29 14:54:31 * lcuk is shocked by frals revelation and banishes him to feed the penguins at the North Pole - WITHOUT internet :p Apr 29 14:54:37 * frals slaps lcuk around a bit with a large trout Apr 29 14:54:41 ur just jealous! Apr 29 14:54:43 frozen? Apr 29 14:54:48 i use windows! Apr 29 14:54:52 but xchat ftw Apr 29 14:54:59 i use gentoo Apr 29 14:55:04 ur a sadist Apr 29 14:55:05 and i hate u all Apr 29 14:55:07 * MohammadAG_ already gave DocScrutinizer a solution for that Apr 29 14:55:24 * frals steals all lcuks bacon and hides it in C:\mIRC\ Apr 29 14:55:26 ooh sorry, forgot - which one? Apr 29 14:55:44 DocScrutinizer, mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip Apr 29 14:55:48 http://www.patentlyapple.com/ Apr 29 14:55:59 that IS on installing this pkgs Apr 29 14:56:02 gotta love up & enter Apr 29 14:56:04 * achipa is shocked to discover he lost 60 thanks when the uber-long pr1.2 thread got moved to off-topic Apr 29 14:56:17 * achipa never thought he said so many smart things there Apr 29 14:56:36 grrrr @ windows Apr 29 14:56:39 oh. do u lost them as the tread is removed ? Apr 29 14:56:41 frals you just reminded me Apr 29 14:56:47 DocScrutinizer, they should work Apr 29 14:56:50 I use them here Apr 29 14:56:51 on my c: drive i have a single file which i cannot get rid of Apr 29 14:57:05 lcuk, del C: Apr 29 14:57:11 i can rename it and move it but i cannot delete it ! Apr 29 14:57:18 actually, s/del/format Apr 29 14:57:19 no i havent reformatted this drive for ages Apr 29 14:57:23 :D Apr 29 14:57:23 format c: Apr 29 14:57:23 ZogG_N900: well either that or somebody kidnapped them ! Apr 29 14:57:27 tho its been cloned to a new phsyical drive Apr 29 14:57:31 ) Apr 29 14:57:35 C:\upp\WINDOWSBad\system32\Macromed\Flash\Flash8a++___.ocx Apr 29 14:57:42 lcuk: id help you, but im currently at the north pole without internet! Apr 29 14:57:50 lcuk, omg Apr 29 14:57:52 thats ok you just reminded me Apr 29 14:57:59 lcuk, I've been trying to remove that too Apr 29 14:58:03 i'm off because of lack of battery Apr 29 14:58:17 MohammadAG_, i cannot find any way to get rid Apr 29 14:58:17 time for some more domino cookies and finish my book \o/ Apr 29 14:58:20 even console foo wont Apr 29 14:58:28 i booted from rescue discks and everything Apr 29 14:58:28 and wait for fall out of "promoting to -testing within a few days" Apr 29 14:58:30 lcuk: boot a linux live cd, mount your hard drive, delete the file Apr 29 14:58:37 problem sorted Apr 29 14:58:40 oscillik, ^^ Apr 29 14:58:41 lcuk, even an ubuntu live cd Apr 29 14:58:45 err nvm Apr 29 14:58:47 xD Apr 29 14:59:00 i didn't see what you said oscillik Apr 29 14:59:01 ntfs write support is stable enough nowadays? Apr 29 14:59:01 oscillik, its got some bad mojo! Apr 29 14:59:19 lcuk: what linux live cd did you try? Apr 29 14:59:30 i dunno it was yonks ago Apr 29 14:59:35 i try not to think of windows Apr 29 14:59:37 lcuk: so try it again Apr 29 14:59:40 it was only frals mentioning it lol Apr 29 14:59:42 with a modern live cd Apr 29 14:59:42 nahh Apr 29 14:59:45 its not harming anything Apr 29 14:59:48 frals, convert to ext3, delete file, convert to to ntfs Apr 29 15:00:13 and the time it would take to recover if the drive went is insanely hard to get back Apr 29 15:00:27 Hi, anyone knows in which package the well-known "ip" command line application is installed? Apr 29 15:00:30 maybe a fsck would also help in removing that file Apr 29 15:00:39 i have code and apps laid out there from almost 10 years ago Apr 29 15:00:43 I mean, BusyBox doesn't comes with it... Apr 29 15:00:45 maybe a bad sector in the drive Apr 29 15:00:54 well its a new physical drive Apr 29 15:00:58 i cloned it over Apr 29 15:01:20 this windows partition has lasted almost as long as tracy's Apr 29 15:01:34 I formatted three years ago Apr 29 15:01:36 I think Apr 29 15:01:46 my lappy has 118MBs free xD Apr 29 15:02:39 C:\VB_LIQ\EyeSpy 2.3_11032002\EyeSpy 2.3\EyeSpy2.3 :D Apr 29 15:03:40 heh splash screen modified 07/feb/2000 :D Apr 29 15:05:27 once PR1.2 comes out, can someone lock every pre-release PR1.2 thread? Apr 29 15:05:58 i'll personally fly to every user's house and shoot them in the head Apr 29 15:06:04 * MohammadAG_ laughs diabolically Apr 29 15:06:21 actually, screw shooting in heads Apr 29 15:06:27 * MohammadAG_ pulls out a Javelin Apr 29 15:07:38 stop with the shooting Apr 29 15:07:44 those users are important! Apr 29 15:07:48 Nuclear strike detected Apr 29 15:08:14 (starcraft voice) Apr 29 15:08:49 lcuk, they raise server loads Apr 29 15:09:11 good! busy servers mean everything is in place right Apr 29 15:10:08 I want server loads when 1.2 is released xD Apr 29 15:11:08 DocScrutinizer: http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/battery_management/f/180/p/43737/152828.aspx#152828 well - that was quick Apr 29 15:11:36 SpeedEvil: wooha :-) Apr 29 15:12:04 MohammadAG_, do you actually do coding as well as building packages? Apr 29 15:12:08 have you been known to tinker? Apr 29 15:12:28 lcuk, depends if it's easy to tinker with Apr 29 15:12:51 lcuk, I never wrote anything from scratch though, except one small basic app for symbian Apr 29 15:13:03 and it was in python, which is piss easy imo :P Apr 29 15:13:25 yeah python is logical and you can brute force solutions in it Apr 29 15:13:26 frals, are the compiling steps in your install new? Apr 29 15:15:37 MohammadAG_, in postinst? Apr 29 15:15:49 lcuk, yeah Apr 29 15:15:52 anyone here hate the minimalist bug that doesn't jump to last post? Apr 29 15:15:54 iirc Apr 29 15:16:15 if so, yes it will be based on things mentioned in the speeding up python thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 Apr 29 15:18:26 yes MohammadAG_, as lcuk said Apr 29 15:20:27 frals, it worked \o/ Apr 29 15:20:31 (fmms) Apr 29 15:20:44 not sure why you never received my message Apr 29 15:21:48 * lcuk hits the update healthcheck+fmms button Apr 29 15:23:36 frals, "send and recv mms, hopefully" :D how optimistic of you! :D Apr 29 15:23:51 xD Apr 29 15:26:09 I wonder if I can re-enable MMS Apr 29 15:28:50 Shapeshifter: MohammadAG_: http://paste.debian.net/71228/ Apr 29 15:29:09 no luck installing alarmed Apr 29 15:31:06 DocScrutinizer, force install then apt-get -f install to resolve dependencies Apr 29 15:31:33 force install what? Apr 29 15:31:43 frals, you might slap me with a large trout but portrait mode "works" in fmms Apr 29 15:31:55 DocScrutinizer, dpkg -i --force-all * Apr 29 15:32:08 doesnt the listview get all fucked up? Apr 29 15:32:20 MohammadAG_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 :-S Apr 29 15:32:32 MohammadAG_: give me a link to the script that forces rotation btw Apr 29 15:32:55 frals, sec Apr 29 15:33:03 DocScrutinizer, LOL I didn't copy them Apr 29 15:33:21 Shapeshifter, did you post those without asking for permission? ;) Apr 29 15:34:19 ¡ǝɹǝɥʇ ʎǝɥ - slɐɹɟ Apr 29 15:34:28 * frals slaps lcuk around a bit with a large trout Apr 29 15:34:42 MohammadAG_: I did. Should I have asked? I uploaded it to omploader with the intention of not using your server ressources. Apr 29 15:34:44 * arachnist slaps frals with a small, 1-ton, unix-manual Apr 29 15:34:44 you wanted forced rotation Apr 29 15:34:50 MohammadAG_: I'm sorry Apr 29 15:34:51 lcuk: :D Apr 29 15:35:00 MohammadAG_: thanks mate Apr 29 15:35:04 * lcuk holds the door for frals Apr 29 15:35:15 Shapeshifter, lol no worries, I don't care about perms :P Apr 29 15:35:31 Shapeshifter, no bandwidth anyways, ucoz is free :P Apr 29 15:36:07 ;) Apr 29 15:36:25 Shapeshifter: it fails without --force-all Apr 29 15:36:50 DocScrutinizer, that's cause you don't have the dependencies Apr 29 15:37:01 I had them for facebrick Apr 29 15:37:10 sure Apr 29 15:37:21 DocScrutinizer, remember to apt-get -f install Apr 29 15:37:24 I thought as much Apr 29 15:37:34 yeah I did Apr 29 15:37:51 though it didn't anything during this second pass Apr 29 15:38:36 The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: Apr 29 15:38:37 libshiboken0 Apr 29 15:38:39 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. Apr 29 15:38:40 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded. Apr 29 15:39:40 DocScrutinizer: that's the new pyside. maybe it god half way uninstalled because you installed the old one Apr 29 15:39:51 debian package management doesn't make much sense to me anyway so I'll shut up Apr 29 15:40:37 Shapeshifter, debian packaging is ftw Apr 29 15:40:55 anyway it works now :-) Apr 29 15:40:59 DocScrutinizer, if no app needs it do an apt-get autoremove Apr 29 15:41:34 how could I know? LOL Apr 29 15:41:54 just assuming no app except maybe alarmed needs it Apr 29 15:41:59 DocScrutinizer, dependencies are tied together, if an app needs it it won't work Apr 29 15:42:05 nah, do an apt-get autoremove Apr 29 15:42:59 fine Apr 29 15:43:13 bbl, need some UV and fresh air Apr 29 15:43:43 * MohammadAG_ gives DocScrutinizer a blu ray drive lens and a fan Apr 29 15:43:54 DocScrutinizer, I thought you were against undervolting, so why are you getting UV? :P I keed I keed Apr 29 15:44:33 undervolting just silly, OC really EVIL Apr 29 15:44:54 Don't ruin the UV joke :P Apr 29 15:45:23 underclocking is awesome Apr 29 15:45:30 undervolting is unreliable for all CPUs. For some, it may work OK - working out the errors isn't easy sometimes Apr 29 15:45:56 i think all developers should work on underclocked hardware - and be whipped to make apps work well with it! Apr 29 15:46:12 ack Apr 29 15:46:12 then when end users get devices they are amazed by how well it runs :D Apr 29 15:46:16 * javispedro has done that sometimes Apr 29 15:46:21 MohammadAG_: creating debian packages is a pita when compared to gentoo ebuilds or writing rpm spec files Apr 29 15:46:30 i worked on the lowest spec hardware in my old job Apr 29 15:46:31 Argg I think I've let open the flame war flood gates *runs* Apr 29 15:46:43 purely because i didnt want an unexpected experience Apr 29 15:47:00 arachnist, it's very easy to make .deb files Apr 29 15:47:04 people would update their machines to latest fancy pants uber stuff Apr 29 15:47:20 but we knew our customers would be running on old crufty stuff Apr 29 15:47:21 hey all, i have a N810 that is mostly on mute, and i am trying to figure out a way for it to alert me of new calls, is there some way to get it to vibrate? or make my cellphone vibrate? Apr 29 15:47:28 i need to debug a middleware made by a partner ... run pylint on it : score : -21.18 Apr 29 15:47:30 ouch Apr 29 15:47:45 i think fmms scored -120 or smth in pylint Apr 29 15:48:00 frals : not possible ! Apr 29 15:48:01 120 what? Apr 29 15:48:10 i need to debug a middleware made by a partner ... run pylint on it : score : -21.18/10 Apr 29 15:48:13 whats pylint all about then and what improves degrades score? Apr 29 15:48:16 it was - alot at least :P Apr 29 15:48:20 and is it mentioned on the python thread Apr 29 15:48:36 i think it is, otherwise i wouldnt had run it Apr 29 15:48:43 automated code quality evaluation? sounds evil Apr 29 15:48:46 and i remove the mixing tab/space warning and pep8 format before Apr 29 15:48:52 i was getting - for having lines longer than 80 chars Apr 29 15:48:57 and for having tabs instead of spaces Apr 29 15:48:57 reasonable enough i started to writeup the ideas in that thread Apr 29 15:49:10 javispedro : pylint is nice ! Apr 29 15:49:10 i need to talk with you frals about what worked - but not now my head is still funked Apr 29 15:49:25 sure just give me a yell Apr 29 15:49:42 need to do some more testing of my workaround for mms apn never becoming default Apr 29 15:50:29 sure i gather theres technical assistance available Apr 29 15:50:55 also i really need to stop coding on one device and then starting the app on the other Apr 29 15:51:02 im like "why the fuck isnt it working..." Apr 29 15:51:12 :) Apr 29 15:51:16 and then after 10minutes realising im actually running old code... >_< Apr 29 15:51:19 i kept doing that Apr 29 15:51:31 with me it was sketches on the wrong hardware Apr 29 15:52:16 :) Apr 29 15:56:27 is meego usable in its current format? is it worth lookking at atm? Apr 29 15:56:40 if you like xterms Apr 29 15:56:52 heya Stskeeps Apr 29 15:57:08 RichardP: beside no GUY yet ;) Apr 29 15:57:11 GUI :) Apr 29 15:57:13 Ive ssen some screen shots, and liked what i saw Apr 29 15:57:22 maddler: oh, interesting Apr 29 15:57:28 i wonder wtf the screenshots were then Apr 29 15:58:01 dev snapshot, perhaps? Apr 29 15:58:16 not yet released to the public Apr 29 15:58:23 maddler: perhaps - pity, really liked it Apr 29 15:58:31 BTW, yes Meego looks interesting Apr 29 15:58:50 really hope it comes to fruition and they still support the N900 Apr 29 15:59:55 RichardP, The n900 is the ARM reference platform for MeeGo Apr 29 16:00:48 Say Alpha Q as fast as u can Apr 29 16:01:18 th3hate, will you now? Apr 29 16:01:34 wut? Apr 29 16:01:56 th3hate, will you be pha Q'ing me Apr 29 16:02:08 whats that Apr 29 16:02:25 Say Alpha Q as fast as u can Apr 29 16:02:33 can't Apr 29 16:04:01 u spoiled it -_- Apr 29 16:04:19 Termana, yeah, for whatever that actually ends up meaning. ;) Apr 29 16:05:14 :P Apr 29 16:07:05 I frankly doubt it'll ever get any of the proprietary applications that make Maemo usable. Apr 29 16:07:55 A before B, we don't know yet - hardware adaptation comes first Apr 29 16:07:56 :P Apr 29 16:09:47 * luke-jr coughs. Apr 29 16:09:50 Maemo? usable? Apr 29 16:10:37 the terminal works quite well for me! Apr 29 16:11:29 luke-jr, you've never used Maemo 5, so hush. Apr 29 16:11:42 GAN900: true enough Apr 29 16:13:28 GAN900, i ope meego DOESNT have any of the proprietary apps and that all standard system components are fully open Apr 29 16:13:31 hope Apr 29 16:20:57 now ppl start complaining about wtf and bastard all over the place... whats next? Apr 29 16:21:46 lcuk, yeah, well, good luck with that. Apr 29 16:21:50 hey, n900 got here Apr 29 16:21:55 yay Quim :P Apr 29 16:22:06 now I guess I send the old broken one back somehow Apr 29 16:22:28 All of the open source reference apps are going to be super-underfeatures (read: useless), apparently. Apr 29 16:22:38 or not Apr 29 16:22:47 they might be unusable feature-ridden monsters Apr 29 16:22:51 rm_you, eBay is, apparently, a good way to get things to Helsinki. :P Apr 29 16:23:03 lol Apr 29 16:23:06 B0rked Apr 29 16:23:07 javispedro, that's what they said at the Summit. Apr 29 16:23:16 think half-hildonized-evolution :D Apr 29 16:23:18 GAN900, if openness was truly one of the items at the top of te list then dogfood should be eaten and some principle apps should be developed fully in the open Apr 29 16:23:33 lcuk, well, they wont be Apr 29 16:23:44 The whole openness thing is somewhat wishy washy. Apr 29 16:23:46 "throw it over the wall" Apr 29 16:24:03 Everybody got to have their differentiation. Apr 29 16:24:13 Jaffa: Ping? Apr 29 16:24:16 dneary: pong Apr 29 16:24:26 Jaffa, If you were a cynic? Apr 29 16:24:40 dneary: Big if. Apr 29 16:24:47 dneary: Honest. Apr 29 16:24:48 lol Apr 29 16:25:05 who says open apps aren't better than the differentiation ones? Apr 29 16:25:05 :P Apr 29 16:25:11 "Misanthrope" would be even better. Apr 29 16:25:20 Even *bigger* if. Apr 29 16:25:36 GAN900, differentiation is over rated - the apps get better with multiple people working Apr 29 16:25:36 Jaffa, You wouldn't buy the usual "my email client starts replies above the previous mail, and only the new stuff is interesting to the guy I'm replying to, and my company requires that you keep the thread intact in the mail for archival purposes, and outlook sucks and it's hard to do otherwise" arguments? Apr 29 16:25:38 Stskeeps, I think both Quim and somebody else mentioned that they wouldn't be much. Apr 29 16:25:40 even forked projects etc Apr 29 16:25:44 It is just easier to top-post Apr 29 16:25:49 its the developers and teamwork that make apps Apr 29 16:25:50 GAN900: and? patches welcome to improve Apr 29 16:25:50 :P Apr 29 16:25:53 not the fact they are closed Apr 29 16:25:53 lcuk, I agree, companies run by dinosaurs do not. Apr 29 16:25:59 And lots of people top-post without seeing anything wrong with it Apr 29 16:26:07 Stskeeps, yeah, we've seen how well THAT works. :P Apr 29 16:26:15 And if they started doing otherwise in their companies or projects, people would look side-ways at them Apr 29 16:26:21 dneary: Indeed. And no, I don't buy it. Apr 29 16:26:31 So, meh, tolerance is my thing... go with the flow Apr 29 16:26:33 dneary: I *understand* it, but I don't buy it. Apr 29 16:26:48 Be strict about what you write, and lenient about what you read Apr 29 16:26:58 Like file formats Apr 29 16:27:03 :) Apr 29 16:27:10 Top-posting is jude rude. ;) Apr 29 16:27:26 s/jude/just Apr 29 16:27:37 and the N900 keyboard kicks my asss Apr 29 16:27:44 problem with expectin everyone to understand mailing list "rules" is that new people dont know or care and bikeshedding takes the discussion even further off topic ;) Apr 29 16:28:12 GAN900, You know at the start of Dune (the book) when the desert people come in, take the hands of the spice miners, and spit in their palms? Apr 29 16:28:41 * Jaffa 's knowledge of Dune extends to Dune 2 on RISC OS Apr 29 16:28:55 GAN900, Since water is so rare, this was their most intimate welcoming gesture - like hugging in the US, kissing in France, etc Apr 29 16:29:04 lcuk/dneary, it's not the new people that bother me. It's the people who insist on continuing to do it wrong to be contrary. Apr 29 16:29:25 And like many gestures to do with culture, it changes from one to another. Apr 29 16:29:32 dneary, yeah, top-posting is hardly equivalent to cultural beliefs. :P Apr 29 16:29:45 GAN900, They're not being rude, and calling it rude is purely confrontational & incendiary Apr 29 16:30:07 Some are Apr 29 16:30:14 and that's my problem Apr 29 16:30:15 actually GAN900 moses actually had 11 commandments but the bottom one was lost in time "11: thou shalt not top post" Apr 29 16:30:28 Let me tell ya, I just came back from the US, where hugging is the thing, and I got some strage looks (and felt pretty strange) when I was kissing people on the cheeks Apr 29 16:30:37 People who do it because that's how they want to do it and they don't care what the standard is. Apr 29 16:30:41 Had to excuse myself a couple of times - "Sorry, French thing" Apr 29 16:31:00 :D Apr 29 16:31:11 A real frenchman wouldn't have aplogised, he'd just've said "this is what we do in France", and puckered up Apr 29 16:31:30 And that's my point, is all. Apr 29 16:31:57 Top-posting isn't a big deal, I can get how it might irk some people, but I cannot get how it might make anyone angry or depressed Apr 29 16:32:05 Get over it, go with the flow, that's my feeling Apr 29 16:32:16 indeed - i rarely post on the mailing list, i never know whether i should be writing at the top or the bottom or inline or clearing or anything Apr 29 16:32:18 That battle's been lost, the gate is open, the horses have bolted Apr 29 16:32:26 It's like the RIAA trying to ban the internet Apr 29 16:32:57 i tohught they only wanted to ban 48x dvd burners Apr 29 16:33:14 lcuk, The general rule: include as little of the preceeding mails as possible to establish context, and post response to previous comments underneath the relevant comments Apr 29 16:33:55 But that guideline dates from a time when bandwidth mattered Apr 29 16:33:57 thank god for forums eh? Apr 29 16:34:10 And for plain-text emails, it really doesn't any more. Apr 29 16:34:12 ok, so for brevity is ok if the general gist is ok then answering the one point etc Apr 29 16:34:51 And personally, I'll top-post if it's a general comment related to the entirity of the preceeding post. Easier to read than a bottom-post leaving the original intact Apr 29 16:34:54 i tried that with internal thread about something Apr 29 16:35:09 but in hindsite if i had left the whole thread there it ould have been used to fwd to someone else Apr 29 16:35:28 lcuk, See my reply to David's post about the packaging guidelines this morning for an example of best practice Apr 29 16:35:32 im top posting because most of the mail i get is topposted anyway :D Apr 29 16:35:57 Snip, reply underneath, and if the subject matter's sufficiently different from the subject, change that too (leaving a was: for context) Apr 29 16:36:01 frals i wouldnt know, ive got a filter on my inbox "if sender==frals" ... :p Apr 29 16:36:22 that explains why i havent got my blackmail money yet then! Apr 29 16:36:43 Jaffa, see frals's comment. This mirrors my experience. Practice creates norms. Apr 29 16:36:57 Anyway, I'm off. Bye Apr 29 16:38:26 Just stab him in the back later, he must sacrifice himself to the Ori for top posting! Apr 29 16:44:33 Hi again Apr 29 16:45:49 andrewfblack: what did you think of doing an hand writted style theme for fremantle Apr 29 16:45:51 ? Apr 29 16:46:32 Khertan_n900: havn't heard anyone talking about it what would you want the theme to look like? Apr 29 16:50:25 andrewfblack : let me some time to found an picture on google :) Apr 29 16:50:40 Khertan_n900: ok Apr 29 16:51:55 anyone here managed to synchronise calendars with korganizer? Apr 29 16:54:10 andrewfblack:something with the style of the tim samoff website : http://sense-datum.org/tim/tswl.php Apr 29 16:54:17 what did you think about it ? Apr 29 16:56:05 Khertan_n900: its a cool idea I can give it a try Apr 29 16:56:14 :) Apr 29 16:56:16 thx Apr 29 16:56:26 any idea what font that is? Apr 29 16:56:51 noone sorry Apr 29 16:56:51 none sorry Apr 29 16:56:57 i think it s hand writted Apr 29 16:57:03 Hi Apr 29 16:58:07 as same characters aren t the same ... look at the S of search and Support for example Apr 29 17:00:23 Khertan_n900: yeah looks like he just write it himself, I found a few hand written fonts I can try. Apr 29 17:10:21 * javispedro thinks Nokia should create a fake PR1.2 and release it Apr 29 17:10:42 with virus? Apr 29 17:10:51 just a placebo Apr 29 17:11:08 lol Apr 29 17:11:25 * javispedro thinks Nokia should create a fake PR1.2 and release it Apr 29 17:11:34 unpack image, repack as 1.2, done Apr 29 17:11:35 :P Apr 29 17:11:48 or as 1.3 and bring down the forums Apr 29 17:11:52 advertise it as having "improved performance and battery life" Apr 29 17:12:01 and "higher camera quality" Apr 29 17:12:12 and usb host support Apr 29 17:12:14 and "clearer sound" Apr 29 17:12:23 "Unlocks the hidden 1GB RAM chip" Apr 29 17:12:28 johnsq: no, that would be easy to disprove. Apr 29 17:12:32 and not fun at all. Apr 29 17:12:35 so err Apr 29 17:12:35 lol Apr 29 17:12:38 "Bravo pour ce boulot norme, qui nous permet davoir les mms sur notre tlphone. Merci vous !" Apr 29 17:12:41 what does that mean? Apr 29 17:12:53 frals, oui oui, c'est vrai Apr 29 17:12:57 oh, reminds me, need to test that compressed swap patch Apr 29 17:13:03 French -> translate.google.com Apr 29 17:13:21 frals bravo for the, idk the rest Apr 29 17:13:28 oh Apr 29 17:13:49 mm seems google translate worked fine, i guess... the sentence that came out made sense anyway :D Apr 29 17:13:50 thanks for this wonderful "idk" which allows us to view mms on our "telephones". Thanks to you ! Apr 29 17:13:54 literal translation ^ Apr 29 17:14:08 it's an enormous "idk" btw :P Apr 29 17:14:10 "Bravo for this enormous undertaking, which allows us to have mms on our phone. Thank you!" Apr 29 17:14:16 mms meh Apr 29 17:14:24 frals, I did what I could :P Apr 29 17:14:29 ye cheers ;) Apr 29 17:14:34 yay, finally get to install frals fMMS today :P Apr 29 17:14:38 i understood bravo... :D Apr 29 17:14:38 now that i have a working n900 again Apr 29 17:14:39 s/cheers/merci Apr 29 17:15:06 is frals fMMS redundant? does the f stand for frals? :P Apr 29 17:15:21 not decided yet what the f stands for ;D Apr 29 17:15:43 theres plenty of good words on f that makes sense there :D Apr 29 17:15:44 anyway i guess it'd be: frals' fMMS Apr 29 17:15:55 Finally, MMS Apr 29 17:16:02 fu#&ing MMS! Apr 29 17:16:05 ^^ Apr 29 17:16:05 freaking MMS Apr 29 17:16:06 :P Apr 29 17:16:24 fortuitous MMS Apr 29 17:16:36 frabjous MMS Apr 29 17:16:40 I like fu#&ing one more Apr 29 17:16:47 mms is obsolete :P Apr 29 17:16:58 ff(mm)s Apr 29 17:17:02 unless you want to send pictures to the phone of ANYONE in the US Apr 29 17:17:16 then it's called "necessary" Apr 29 17:17:32 Orange disabled receiving MMS through normal protocols here :( Apr 29 17:17:40 I have to open a web page that comes in an SMS Apr 29 17:17:41 Ikarus[N900]: 160k downloads begs to differ :/ Apr 29 17:18:01 MohammadAG: usually just need to give them a call telling them you got a handset capable of mms Apr 29 17:18:22 rm_you: meh upload to blog/sharing site, then mail link or wait for their rss reader to get it Apr 29 17:18:25 frals, got a Hebrew for Dummies book? Apr 29 17:18:42 MohammadAG: :D translate.google.com? ;D Apr 29 17:18:58 * MohammadAG dials *054 Apr 29 17:19:18 * MohammadAG talks in English and finishes the sentence with frals says google it Apr 29 17:19:32 reminds me, I wonder if I can plug in my own sites as sharing site for both pictures and other files Apr 29 17:19:49 that is one f'd up page http://www.orange.co.il/ Apr 29 17:21:00 oh ffs Apr 29 17:21:08 it needs flash, which is broken on my system Apr 29 17:25:52 frals, any idea how an operator checks which phone I'm using? Apr 29 17:26:04 rough google translation from their f'd up FAQ 7. In the case of multimedia message delivery device is not support MMS (multimedia messaging), you receive an SMS device turning the recipient into the Web site of the "My Album", where he could see the message sent to him. Apr 29 17:26:05 imei is my guess Apr 29 17:26:37 weird, the N86 also receives that MMS Apr 29 17:26:39 SMS* Apr 29 17:32:03 wow #ubuntu-release-party scrolls fast Apr 29 17:37:58 Shit, my earpiece is almost gone. Apr 29 17:39:45 i am kind of confused--does n900 handle mms? :-) Apr 29 17:39:49 MohammadAG: depends. Some providers have a config interface of some sort, where you select your phone model. Apr 29 17:40:08 liori: aiui fmms app does Apr 29 17:40:14 DocScrutinizer, they still think I'm on a Nokia 6680 Apr 29 17:40:19 which supports MMS Apr 29 17:40:39 MohammadAG: call their hotline Apr 29 17:40:42 haha, checking my statpress for my blog is pretty funny, latest google search term "is fmms working as of april 29" Apr 29 17:40:50 or vist trheir website Apr 29 17:40:58 DocScrutinizer: is this some non-nokia app that has to be installed manually? Apr 29 17:41:12 DocScrutinizer, f.r.a.l.s, got a Hebrew for Dummies book? Apr 29 17:41:13 :) Apr 29 17:41:15 liori: yes Apr 29 17:41:40 MohammadAG: huh? Apr 29 17:42:05 DocScrutinizer, Orange customer support is in hebrew Apr 29 17:42:17 aah Apr 29 17:42:20 nice Apr 29 17:42:57 if they don't provide an english version, I'd really tell them... Apr 29 17:43:12 DocScrutinizer, no english Apr 29 17:43:23 and arabic customer support is = 0 Apr 29 17:43:35 I bet Apr 29 17:43:38 (they have arabic customer support, but they're plain idiots) Apr 29 17:43:59 selected idiots I guess ;-P Apr 29 17:45:08 DocScrutinizer, they're hand picked I think :P Apr 29 17:45:31 DocScrutinizer, my ISP isn't better, they told me I was connected to my neighbor's WiFi network :s Apr 29 17:45:42 (just because they couldn't figure out the problem) Apr 29 17:45:55 someone who knew hebrew helped, they solved it in 5 minutes Apr 29 17:46:58 * DocScrutinizer sighs Apr 29 17:47:38 so HK was a hoax, no? Apr 29 17:48:12 ~nuke closet akamai server Apr 29 17:48:14 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at closet akamai server ... B☢☢M! Apr 29 17:48:25 s/closet/closest Apr 29 17:48:52 DocScrutinizer, it was a damn good one if it was a hoax Apr 29 17:49:04 DocScrutinizer: the entire PR1.2 is a hoax Apr 29 17:49:25 MohammadAG: closet was accurate Apr 29 17:49:35 lol Apr 29 17:50:15 * lcuk slaps javispedro Apr 29 17:50:27 * javispedro dodges Apr 29 17:50:48 they should release it as pr1.3 just mess with people Apr 29 17:51:05 * frals steals lcuks bacon and eats it Apr 29 17:51:15 messing? to mess with people they would have to release it as meego 3.0 Apr 29 17:51:25 :) Apr 29 17:51:34 lcuk: a pointer to fmms for liori ? Apr 29 17:51:54 there, the n900 will get the same OS version as our 2014 device with 4 cores and 5 minute battery life! Apr 29 17:52:24 I'm sure I can find a car battery to increase that to 6 minutes Apr 29 17:52:27 DocScrutinizer: whats with fmms? :) Apr 29 17:52:57 aah, sorry. Apr 29 17:52:59 MohammadAG: does your car run on nuclear power? If it doesn't, I'm afraid you'll find it will only last a few picoseconds... Apr 29 17:53:16 it'll run with uranium pellets Apr 29 17:53:18 javispedro, hell yeah it does Apr 29 17:53:29 * MohammadAG lights up a cig near the battery Apr 29 17:54:52 Mine generates fusion power from garbage Apr 29 17:55:27 DocScrutinizer: i don't care yet, my n900 has yet to be bought ;-) Apr 29 17:55:52 Mine travels to 1955. Apr 29 17:56:02 1955 only though :( Apr 29 17:56:02 liori: hurry! you're missing all the fun Apr 29 17:58:17 liori: nevertheless - https://garage.maemo.org/projects/fmms Apr 29 17:58:46 thank you Apr 29 17:58:56 * SpeedEvil wonders how many turing complete cores the n900 has. Apr 29 17:59:02 I suspect around 9 Apr 29 17:59:05 maybe 10 Apr 29 17:59:09 yep Apr 29 17:59:27 don't forget the three engines in LP5523 Apr 29 17:59:43 are those actually general purpose? Apr 29 17:59:50 yep Apr 29 18:00:07 even add, mul, div, sub, reg indirect etc Apr 29 18:00:15 insane. Apr 29 18:00:19 lol Apr 29 18:01:18 2 in the phone - CPU - DSP - gfx - bluetooth, wlan, led, gps? Apr 29 18:02:19 GSM chip too? Apr 29 18:02:28 2 in the phone Apr 29 18:09:38 can n900 be used as flashdrive and ethernet card at the same time? Apr 29 18:09:39 hey.. isn't maemo what sheldon calls his grandmother? Apr 29 18:09:56 liori: In principle yes - I'm unsure if anyone has implemented that though Apr 29 18:10:03 mece: yes, we are big fans of sheldon's grandma Apr 29 18:10:10 :D Apr 29 18:13:51 "If anything happened to my maemo, I'd be one inconsolable moonpie" Apr 29 18:16:06 does HK N900 is out ? Apr 29 18:16:27 someone got one? Apr 29 18:17:44 Chiku|dc: yes Apr 29 18:18:31 Shapeshifter, you got one? Apr 29 18:18:35 no Apr 29 18:18:48 I'm just being annoying for a second. Apr 29 18:19:06 wait I tweeted someone and asked about version number already... Apr 29 18:19:22 mece, so? Apr 29 18:19:31 thought it hadn't, still saying "coming soon" on the website Apr 29 18:21:26 guess what?) Apr 29 18:21:39 PR 1.3? Apr 29 18:21:53 wazd_n900: you don't have a n900? Apr 29 18:22:31 wazd_n900, you found out she was a dude? Apr 29 18:23:16 Chiku|dc, what did you want to know about hk n900? Apr 29 18:23:24 stskeeps: you're both right and wrong :) Apr 29 18:23:41 wazd_n900: well, borrowed one then? Apr 29 18:24:02 anyone know if there is a javascript debugger for microB ? I am having some problems with an extension that I can't replicate on plain firefox (even of the same gecko version) Apr 29 18:24:10 someone knows something and someone doesn't Apr 29 18:24:55 mece does is out? and which firmware version ? Apr 29 18:25:00 Surfa speaks the truth. Apr 29 18:25:05 pr is coming and hk verion won't make it come any sooner :) Apr 29 18:25:18 wazd_n900, Eldar gave you an n8 ? Apr 29 18:25:22 Chiku|dc, well he hasn't answered. Apr 29 18:25:22 :P Apr 29 18:25:40 Chiku|dc, but apparently you can't type chinese in apps. Apr 29 18:25:40 stskeeps: sort off, I'm delivering one to the live wallpapers developer) Apr 29 18:27:02 ~pr1.2 Apr 29 18:27:03 extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. Apr 29 18:27:23 :) Apr 29 18:27:35 DocScrutinizer, who's asking about pr1.2? Apr 29 18:27:38 isn't it? Apr 29 18:27:39 vdvsx, n80 :) Apr 29 18:27:52 i kind of thought it was Apr 29 18:27:53 does it work for other versions too? Apr 29 18:28:09 wazd_n900, that's old Apr 29 18:28:20 pr 1.2 is delayed Apr 29 18:28:27 for 2 weeks Apr 29 18:28:34 mece: this was a regularly scheduled announcement ;-P Apr 29 18:28:51 wazd_n900, and that delay did you figure out how? Apr 29 18:28:54 seriously :) Apr 29 18:29:22 surfa: nokians told me Apr 29 18:29:29 and 2weeks from what date do you think it is? Apr 29 18:29:53 vdvsx: hello from 5 Apr 29 18:29:58 sht Apr 29 18:30:17 Turenko :) Apr 29 18:30:45 kind of nonsense that 2week rumour you're spreading :) sorry Apr 29 18:30:49 surfa: from today I guess Apr 29 18:31:15 surfa: you know other info? Apr 29 18:31:53 well, it doesn't make any difference if i know or don't know something Apr 29 18:32:20 but what i can tell is spreading rumours won't really serve anyone Apr 29 18:32:49 oh shut your cookie hole surfa. Apr 29 18:32:49 that's semi oficcial info Apr 29 18:32:50 pr1.2 will be out when it's ready :) Apr 29 18:32:58 if you'd like Apr 29 18:33:04 I am here because I want the gossip and rumours Apr 29 18:33:14 so please wazd, go ahead :) Apr 29 18:33:26 Hello =) Apr 29 18:33:35 meego will support n900 Apr 29 18:33:43 for real :) Apr 29 18:33:51 how can I install Libqt4 on n900? Apr 29 18:33:57 tybollt, so nerds can get upset as rumours were again rumours Apr 29 18:33:58 I mean core and gui and... Apr 29 18:34:01 wazd_n900: wow, did you see one run it? Apr 29 18:34:21 :D Apr 29 18:34:32 great information here again Apr 29 18:34:36 PR1.2 is delayed worse than the Ubuntu LTS Apr 29 18:34:52 nope, but it's the real deal Apr 29 18:34:56 Surfa: the point is, if it's runours, you choose to believe it or not yourself Apr 29 18:34:56 :\ Apr 29 18:35:22 depends if you need rumours Apr 29 18:35:27 wazd_n900: is ari there? Apr 29 18:35:39 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/q/qt4-x11/libqt4-core_4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5_armel.deb Apr 29 18:35:46 news just in: argument breaks out on Internet, more at eleven Apr 29 18:35:47 Knightstalker, apt-get install libqt4-core libqt4-gui Apr 29 18:35:47 i choose to believe wazd usually :P Apr 29 18:36:02 * rm_you starts taking bets on who gets compared to Nazis first Apr 29 18:36:13 tybollt: nope :) Apr 29 18:36:23 I consider to +q wazd currently Apr 29 18:36:28 wazd_n900: ther valhalla must be?! Apr 29 18:36:34 if like, go ahead.. butg don't take him as source of truth :) Apr 29 18:36:34 how to set up clock here? :) Apr 29 18:36:34 * mece compares rm_you to the nazis. Finds rm_you more fun. Apr 29 18:36:47 * mtnbkr just completed the repair request form for his N900 :( bye-bye N900. Hello "backup" Motorola v551... my old friend... Apr 29 18:36:51 Wir mussen die Juden ausrauchen? >_> Apr 29 18:37:19 mece: it says they are the newest version Apr 29 18:37:30 KnightStalker, what are you trying to do? Apr 29 18:37:35 Ich muss erst meine ziggi ausrauchen Apr 29 18:37:38 install them? :P Apr 29 18:37:47 lol Apr 29 18:37:48 KnightStalker, they are installed. Apr 29 18:38:07 i can't still see why rumour telling would be nice as some people take them as promises anyway Apr 29 18:38:16 heh Apr 29 18:38:37 then people get uoset and then we get pr1.2 discussions like now Apr 29 18:38:40 KnightStalker: hope you didn't suffer too much from recent ban Apr 29 18:39:24 Honestly, I'd rather have official statements along the lines of "Here's the state of things right now. We're planning on releasing on day X, but it might slip if Y." Apr 29 18:39:56 Surfa: ++ Apr 29 18:40:38 official statements are really difficult to give as things tend to slip from first estimates.. always.. Apr 29 18:40:56 Even when projects have delays, I'm generally not that upset as long as it seems like the issue is being resolved and I'm not speculating the worst Apr 29 18:40:57 so it's safer just not to give anything Apr 29 18:41:12 "hope you didn't suffer too much from recent ban" I was banned? o.O Apr 29 18:41:15 weird? :P Apr 29 18:41:15 Nkia does not announce release schedules Apr 29 18:41:36 I'm not saying what they do, I'm saying what they should do. Apr 29 18:41:39 and reason for that i already said :) Apr 29 18:41:40 Knightstalker, is there something that isn't working? Apr 29 18:42:17 When Ubuntu anounces a delay and the reason for the delay. I think, "Hey, It's good they caught this and fixed it." Apr 29 18:42:20 KnightStalker: you had connectivity issues lately, leading to chan spamming join/quit (even worse than DocScrutinizer51 does ;-P) so you were banned for one night Apr 29 18:42:42 grr,BNC issues I see Apr 29 18:42:43 ... Apr 29 18:42:46 sorry for that Apr 29 18:43:45 Heck, give people the Scotty time estimate if you want. Apr 29 18:43:50 holy shit doc Apr 29 18:44:01 you 51 yrs old? 8-o Apr 29 18:44:03 ubuntu is kind of different hing Apr 29 18:44:19 tybollt: so what? Apr 29 18:44:26 surfa: DNF Apr 29 18:44:36 doc: Impressive Apr 29 18:44:37 mece: this is not qt lib this time,but Google Translate says I need libhildon1,but apt-get says its already installed Apr 29 18:44:52 it's developing free of charge sw, whereas nokia needs money to keep up and running Apr 29 18:45:11 Knightstalker, are you building? Apr 29 18:45:12 Surfa: are you paying for PR1.2? Apr 29 18:45:31 mece,No I am not Apr 29 18:45:38 tybollt: actually that's RX-51, but that doesn't imply any confirmation/denial of your assumption Apr 29 18:45:43 just trying to install an application Apr 29 18:45:46 Ubuntu's not exactly the same, but I think most people will appreciate knowing what's going on more than months of seeming delays with no idea why or when something will happen. Apr 29 18:45:49 no, but people who pay for devices do Apr 29 18:46:10 no Apr 29 18:46:26 gevaerts, when you bought the device you simultaneously paid for nokia updates Apr 29 18:46:32 paying for N900 is paying for having nokia stick theirs up your bum. :) Apr 29 18:47:02 mece,you still there? Apr 29 18:47:08 ate Apr 29 18:47:11 aye I means Apr 29 18:47:23 will I get ALL apps, contacts photos - EVERYthing when I use the "backup" app? When this thing comes back from repair I'd like to be able to quickly get it back to normal. Anyone have to do this before? Apr 29 18:47:40 s/this thing/N900/ Apr 29 18:47:41 mtnbkr meant: will I get ALL apps, contacts photos - EVERYthing when I use the "backup" app? When N900 comes back from repair I'd like to be able to quickly get it back to normal. Anyone have to do this before? Apr 29 18:47:41 well it says "application list" Apr 29 18:48:16 so mece,did you find any reasons for this? Apr 29 18:48:17 oh, a how to pirate the angry levels level pack thread Apr 29 18:49:08 KnightStalker, err, ok I'm confused.. and now I have to go. bbl. Apr 29 18:49:15 k Apr 29 18:49:22 bye Apr 29 18:49:59 ubuntu lucid is out... what about PR 1.2? Apr 29 18:51:49 chadi, topic Apr 29 18:52:01 KnightStalker: yeah... I just am a little worried. I guess I will just check the zip files after I scp them to my workstation Apr 29 18:52:04 lucid is delayed until tomorrow Apr 29 18:52:06 /kick chadi You asked for it :P Apr 29 18:52:16 dmj726, it's available... Apr 29 18:52:21 party's in #ubuntu-release-party Apr 29 18:52:22 mtnbkr: here. Mostly yes. Though all apps installed via apt-get are lsot, and other apps will get reinstalled with newest possibly broken version Apr 29 18:52:25 dmj726 lucid was out about 2 hours ago Apr 29 18:52:38 MohammadAG sorry :-) Apr 29 18:52:39 oh...must've respun the iso faster than expected Apr 29 18:52:49 DocScrutinizer: I have a feeling that this in NOT going to be painless. Apr 29 18:53:00 not exactly Apr 29 18:53:20 I should update from the beta Apr 29 18:53:32 probably a decent disk-image will serve better Apr 29 18:53:50 dmj726, alt+F2, update-manager -d Apr 29 18:54:09 * dmj726 hasn't run updates in a few days Apr 29 18:55:01 DocScrutinizer: hmmm... well, I will at least manually grab the phots and "recaller" voice recordings and other stuff int he /home/user and /home/user/MyDos dir that dont appear to be in the zip files. Apr 29 18:56:08 mtnbkr: I suggest to prepare decent tarballs of root, ~user, and mydocs Apr 29 18:56:33 Ha ha ha, he said "balls" Apr 29 18:56:34 DocScrutinizer: you might rabbit. You might... :) Apr 29 18:57:51 Are there any compass for Maemo at this stage? Apr 29 18:57:56 for n900 Apr 29 18:58:11 compass??? Apr 29 18:58:19 KnightStalker, theres a patch of moss on the side of the device Apr 29 18:58:33 lol Apr 29 18:58:44 KnightStalker: you could glue a magnetic one to it... Apr 29 18:58:48 lcuk: but what's the dominant wind direction? Apr 29 18:58:49 lol Apr 29 18:59:01 gevaerts: that depends on the location Apr 29 18:59:10 Gad: then the magnetic one would probably harm the mobile Apr 29 18:59:14 :P Apr 29 18:59:27 gevaerts, if you slide open the keyboard, a weather vane pops out Apr 29 18:59:35 summel: ah, and I do have GPS. I see where you're going :) Apr 29 18:59:36 DocScrutinizer: ha! I almost forgot about the 20+GB of music and podcasts etc currently on this thing... Apr 29 18:59:52 More like the magnets in the phone would throw off the GPS Apr 29 19:00:07 mtnbkr: well, those are copied easily in mass storage mode Apr 29 19:00:23 DocScrutinizer: yep. switching to that now.. Apr 29 19:00:47 basically ;MyDocs is a nobrainer for backup Apr 29 19:01:00 The N900 is full of magnets, it makes it run faster by keeping the atoms in the circuit traces properly aligned Apr 29 19:01:36 DocScrutinizer, I can't back up to either MyDocs or the uSD :) Apr 29 19:01:55 aaah, and I thought taht's called supraconduction and breaks on magnetic fields Apr 29 19:02:13 MohammadAG: enjoy ;-P Apr 29 19:02:34 No no no! Circuit traces are like a series of tubes... Apr 29 19:02:41 Ah shit we have lost DNS Apr 29 19:02:49 hi all / ihave aproblem that when iwill install any apllication from application manger igot that msg there are not enougth memory in target location so what ican do plz help me Apr 29 19:03:15 MAK: It means there is not enough memory in target location Apr 29 19:03:29 no Apr 29 19:03:38 MAK_: Not enough minerals, Mine more minerals Apr 29 19:03:44 actually that might mean apt-cache is full Apr 29 19:04:13 has it got the bung? Apr 29 19:04:24 About the most I ever did on my N900 was moving stuff to /opt.. apart from that I don't seem to actually use it Apr 29 19:04:32 you should be able to pull the bung out and free up the apt-cache Apr 29 19:04:52 yah itype df -h in xterminal and the rootfs and the available its 660 kb Apr 29 19:05:00 O_O Apr 29 19:05:06 ouch Apr 29 19:05:09 MAK_: you might want to appraise yourself of an optification script Apr 29 19:05:26 or do an apt-get clean Apr 29 19:05:38 i did that mohammad Apr 29 19:05:39 I'd be surprised if that helped much Apr 29 19:05:52 MAK_: disable all but the basic catalogs in hildon appmanager Apr 29 19:06:02 MAK_, get out of -devel :) Apr 29 19:06:27 yah iwill do thnx all for helping Apr 29 19:06:52 -devel is where all the good stuff that crashes or fills up your root FS is! Apr 29 19:07:15 Real men enable devel and disable extras Apr 29 19:07:57 lmfao Apr 29 19:08:29 Or use wget and dpkg Apr 29 19:08:30 MAK_: du -x / | sort -n Apr 29 19:08:31 why apt-get clean doesn't function :O Apr 29 19:08:36 * gevaerts refuses to enable devel as long as the system doesn't do PDiffs Apr 29 19:08:47 One last question... is there a handy URL to emo how to erase/default the N900 before I ship it back? Apr 29 19:08:55 KnightStalker, it does, it cleans *.deb from /var/cache/apt/archives Apr 29 19:09:04 mtnbkr, Apr 29 19:09:07 ~flashing Apr 29 19:09:08 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 29 19:09:17 but my mob still says,not enough memory in target location Apr 29 19:09:24 MohammadAG: thanks much Apr 29 19:09:39 KnightStalker, then it's not .debs that are filling your / Apr 29 19:09:40 itry all the available solutions // ithink ihave to reflash the device right ? Apr 29 19:10:07 MohammadAG so how to delete other files and free up my / Apr 29 19:10:14 MohammadAG: here it cleans /home/apt-cache/archives :) Apr 29 19:10:20 MAK_: no. just clean up Apr 29 19:11:04 yah iwill try that thnx again for all Apr 29 19:11:04 ~tell MAK_ about optification Apr 29 19:11:26 ~tell Gadgetoid_iMac about the birds and the bees Apr 29 19:11:36 ~tell KnightStalker about rootfs Apr 29 19:12:02 gevaerts, you mean /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache Apr 29 19:12:11 ~tell KnightStalker about cleaning rootfs Apr 29 19:12:14 I can't believe the registry office is making me waste 3 CDs on fscking music Apr 29 19:12:21 ... Apr 29 19:12:27 Music on CDs!? what sort of dumbass idea is that! Apr 29 19:13:00 MohammadAG: actually, no Apr 29 19:13:44 Gadgetoid_iMac: Do you really want to - as a non-technical person - want to debug why a registrees USB stick/memory card/... won't play? Apr 29 19:14:25 MohammadAG: that probably would have been a good choice too for non-HAM apt use, but I don't like MyDocs and FAT Apr 29 19:14:34 Do anybody know how to clear rootfs if the thing which is filling it is not deb and we cant use apt-get clean? Apr 29 19:14:42 I suggest Prodigy - Fat of the land. Apr 29 19:14:58 SpeedEvil: can't imagine why it wouldn't... we've had audio format standards forever, yay! Apr 29 19:14:58 KnightStalker: figure out what it is, and clean that up Apr 29 19:15:01 KnightStalker: find out what fills it - remove it Apr 29 19:15:07 SpeedEvil: looks like we're going for Lamb Gorecki and some injan music Apr 29 19:15:12 Gadgetoid_iMac: people bringing in ext2? Apr 29 19:15:13 waZZZd Apr 29 19:15:40 hey...i have no libqt4-core Apr 29 19:15:43 SpeedEvil: But that would take a technical person just being a pain in the behind Apr 29 19:15:49 this libary is missing Apr 29 19:15:55 how can i install this file Apr 29 19:16:17 or this libary Apr 29 19:16:42 sudo apt-get install libqt4-core Apr 29 19:16:45 in xterminal Apr 29 19:16:55 Hmm, I best stop complaining and find some blank CDs Apr 29 19:17:15 KnightStalker: then the n900 says, that this file is the newest Apr 29 19:17:40 well,actually I have the same issue... Apr 29 19:18:08 hm Apr 29 19:18:57 And figure out how the hell to create an Audio CD... it's on a par with me trying to put MP3s on vinyl Apr 29 19:19:25 man cdrecord Apr 29 19:20:34 iTunes ;D Apr 29 19:21:53 has anyone managed to do sublime: format a vinyl and record mp3s onto it as digital tracks? :D Apr 29 19:22:37 TeQuilliaaaA: atm,I am trying this http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libqt4-maemo5-dev/4.6.2~git20100212-0maemo1/ Apr 29 19:22:53 That would be an interesting exercise, I wonder how many mp3s you could fit Apr 29 19:23:30 Gadgetoid_iMac: lots Apr 29 19:23:50 would probably be better as clay cylinders (recordable) afaik aren't vinyls pressed Apr 29 19:24:08 * lcuk considers why it hasnt happened Apr 29 19:24:26 * Gadgetoid_iMac does a dist upgrade on his netbook Apr 29 19:24:57 deleting all files from rootfs is secure? Apr 29 19:25:00 :P Apr 29 19:25:07 its killing me Apr 29 19:25:14 sure, nobody else can delete them then Apr 29 19:25:27 hmm? Apr 29 19:25:41 so its secure right? Apr 29 19:25:56 define secure Apr 29 19:25:57 * KnightStalker feels that he may ruin his mobile :p Apr 29 19:26:05 you never asked that Apr 29 19:26:12 secure = for the mobile not to get ruined Apr 29 19:26:25 I hooked my N810 up to a Denon sound bar and have officially retired it as a music system Apr 29 19:26:25 strangest sense of the term ive heard Apr 29 19:26:34 * johnsu01 wonders if something changed about the mozilla maemo repo, it's been giving an error the last few days... Apr 29 19:26:52 Gadgetoid_iMac: at least 2000 Apr 29 19:27:00 gevaerts: wowser! Apr 29 19:27:12 lcuk: you may see stronger sense if I don't get this working :P Apr 29 19:27:28 Gadgetoid_iMac: they would be very short and uninteresting mp3s :) Apr 29 19:27:47 KnightStalker, get what working where? ive been sidetracked with a few things Apr 29 19:28:03 never mind it... Apr 29 19:28:06 ! Apr 29 19:29:25 I think Ubuntu is a bit choked up with upgrade traffic at the moment Apr 29 19:33:17 Has anyone tried the ubuntu arm port on an n900? Apr 29 19:33:22 Hi again Apr 29 19:34:13 florian: there is a maemo-gsoc channel Apr 29 19:34:25 hello Khertan_n900 Apr 29 19:36:15 heya lcuk Apr 29 19:38:16 ( has anyone managed to do sublime: format a vinyl and record mp3s) I had an LP with a program for lightshow on ZXspectrum Apr 29 19:38:45 lightshow for the audio tracks on the rest of the recors Apr 29 19:38:53 record Apr 29 19:38:54 Hmm samba support on the n810 Apr 29 19:39:16 Trying to work out how to mount my NAS so I can enumerate the music directories in Canola or something of that nature Apr 29 19:40:09 lcuk: so I guess you actually could stuff one song @ 32Kbps mp3 on one side of a vinyl Apr 29 19:40:29 2400baud FSK Apr 29 19:41:33 DocScrutinizer: people haven't specified the length of these mp3s! Apr 29 19:42:07 partypooper Apr 29 19:42:35 * gevaerts currently has a 625 byte mp3 file Apr 29 19:42:42 lol Apr 29 19:42:56 Balls, smbclient wont install! Apr 29 19:42:59 Gzip can get that to 122 bytes Apr 29 19:43:02 infinite chamber A' Apr 29 19:43:04 ? Apr 29 19:43:26 one sample :) Apr 29 19:43:48 hello while exploring I have recalibrated my screen on N900, I need to know if there is someway to revert it back to the factory calibration, as I am guessing, it is creating a calibration file which has some kind of coordinates and/or calibration data within. How can I reset the screen calibration to the factory defaults? Thanks. Apr 29 19:43:56 on MP3 one sample prolly can extend to virtually infinte duration though Apr 29 19:44:44 sandstorm, just run the recalibration again? Apr 29 19:44:51 sandstorm: settings -> restore factory defaults Apr 29 19:45:11 DocScrutinizer: will that reset the calibration data as well, sir ? Apr 29 19:45:13 sandstorm: if you manage to hit the buttons Apr 29 19:45:27 lcuk: I don't want to recalibrate it, I need to revert it back to the factory defaults. Apr 29 19:45:33 sandstorm: I'd really hope so Apr 29 19:45:46 DocScrutinizer: yes I can hit the buttons but I am not very confident with the latter results Apr 29 19:46:04 or simply reflash Apr 29 19:46:33 I thought about reflashing but I supposed it should not be necessary for just making the calibration back to its first state Apr 29 19:47:03 in my humble opinion, there should be a conf file which stores that calibration data, I need to replace it with the very first one Apr 29 19:47:19 sandstorm: for sure you're right Apr 29 19:47:27 sandstorm: there probably is Apr 29 19:47:39 sandstorm: alas I have no idea where that file lives and what's its name Apr 29 19:47:46 * gevaerts has a look Apr 29 19:47:58 who can I consult about this internal information Apr 29 19:48:15 I mean I need someone, or some authority who knows about this situation Apr 29 19:48:37 btw odds are this is device-specific and is stored in a separate partition of NAND Apr 29 19:49:27 sandstorm: keep on asking here. every once in a while some wizard may notice Apr 29 19:49:41 Stskeeps: any idea? Apr 29 19:50:15 I wonder if somehow I can reach to the developers of that screen calibration app Apr 29 19:50:15 not in nand Apr 29 19:50:20 sandstorm: /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi has the calibration data Apr 29 19:51:25 sandstorm: that's probably as good as it gets. Nag the devels? no way ;-) Apr 29 19:52:43 sandstorm: the default settings seem to be "200 3910 3761 180 0 0" Apr 29 19:52:57 WTF is RX-71?? Apr 29 19:53:23 DocScrutinizer: n8? :) Apr 29 19:53:51 sandstorm: http://paste.debian.net/71266/ Apr 29 19:53:58 ah Apr 29 19:54:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27262 Apr 29 19:55:42 sorry, got dc-ed, could not read any reply Apr 29 19:56:10 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Apr 29 19:56:22 en-route Apr 29 19:56:59 sandstorm: http://paste.debian.net/71266/ Apr 29 19:57:23 * gevaerts reboots his phone to get the screen calibrated properly again :) Apr 29 19:57:37 [2010-04-29 21:50:20] sandstorm: /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi has the calibration data Apr 29 19:57:39 [2010-04-29 21:51:24] sandstorm: that's probably as good as it gets. Nag the devels? no way ;-) Apr 29 19:57:40 [2010-04-29 21:52:43] sandstorm: the default settings seem to be "200 3910 3761 180 0 0" Apr 29 19:58:29 thank you very much, examining all that data. Apr 29 19:58:45 You probably don't want to re-get the entire file, it also has the keyboard layout Apr 29 19:59:07 oh I see Apr 29 19:59:13 I just need the coords actually Apr 29 19:59:18 the numbers Apr 29 19:59:31 I can manually reset them Apr 29 19:59:33 small question about the n900: my phone company allows me to check how much money i have left on my prepaid card by forming the number #121# Apr 29 19:59:44 but the n900 says it's not a valid number Apr 29 19:59:53 is there a trick to make that work Apr 29 19:59:55 ? Apr 29 20:00:04 get USSD pad Apr 29 20:00:26 yah ussd pad or ussd widget aldo Apr 29 20:00:31 gevaerts: sir, are those the confirmed factory defaults? I mean are you sure with them? Apr 29 20:01:14 sandstorm: mine is from a fresh install that never seen a screen calib (the pastebin) Apr 29 20:01:38 DocScrutinizer: thank you very much, sir. Apr 29 20:01:39 sandstorm: I deleted the file and reinstalled the xserver-xorg-core package which includes it Apr 29 20:01:46 sandstorm: yw Apr 29 20:02:28 I wonder, whenever I update the firmware, is this screen calib conf file get reseted? Apr 29 20:02:48 (guessing it probably is) Apr 29 20:02:48 good question Apr 29 20:02:56 yeah Apr 29 20:03:21 at flashing a new firmware for sure it is Apr 29 20:03:27 Depends on whether it's marked as a conf file. If this were debian, I'd report a bug about configuration in /usr :) Apr 29 20:03:35 for SSU I'd expect it to be preserved Apr 29 20:03:44 unless the system has not got an ability to preserve these kind of user managed conf datas.. Apr 29 20:04:00 gevaerts: agreed with that report. Apr 29 20:04:33 since I am a completely stranger to maemo, I am trying to figure out the dynamics Apr 29 20:04:58 It's not a conffile, so I suspect it will be overwritten with every new version of xserver-xorg-core Apr 29 20:05:18 * gevaerts isn't sure though Apr 29 20:05:58 if it isnot marked as a conf file(such as xorg.conf) I suppose it has a greater probability to get freshly created in every firmware update. Apr 29 20:06:27 also keeping in mind that it does not reside in a user dir. Apr 29 20:08:02 that seems to have few meaning to maemo ;-) Apr 29 20:08:18 that's the point I am struggling at :) Apr 29 20:08:32 welcome to the club Apr 29 20:08:36 :) Apr 29 20:08:55 it feels good to be here Apr 29 20:09:03 thanks for the warm welcome Apr 29 20:09:11 :-) Apr 29 20:09:21 HAI!!! Apr 29 20:09:26 sometimes synergy does weird things for me - spurious characters etc Apr 29 20:09:31 Yes, successfully mounted a smb filesystem to my n810 Apr 29 20:09:38 and can play mp3s via command line Apr 29 20:10:46 actually, I thought, I can contribute to the community by creating a very simple calib-resetter application :) Apr 29 20:11:18 searched google, came up with no resetter solution yet instead of reflashing the whole system. Apr 29 20:12:26 well the file is Oct 19 2009 - FWIW Apr 29 20:13:02 so that it strenghtens the idea of values are being the native ones. Apr 29 20:13:09 actually not anything, as the device has been reflashed completely recently Apr 29 20:13:16 At least on the forums reflashing the whole system seems to be the recommended solution for all possible problems Apr 29 20:13:27 * sandstorm nods. Apr 29 20:13:55 "The number you called is busy. Try reflashing the system" Apr 29 20:14:13 but as you appreaciate, people can accidentally re-calibrate the screen and can get unsatisfied with the inprecise results so that it is not very logical to do a whole reflashing Apr 29 20:14:19 :))) Apr 29 20:14:35 "you moved your mouse. Reboot windows to make the pointer update" Apr 29 20:16:07 sandstorm: file a bug class enhancement with subject "touchscreen recalibration app is missing a 'reset to factory default' function" Apr 29 20:16:11 I knew that I could brainstorm and figure out the concerning file, values and solution here so I am glad that it did not turned out to be the opposite Apr 29 20:16:35 DocScrutinizer: allright. Apr 29 20:16:41 anyone using live wallpaper Apr 29 20:16:58 its relatively cool, but doesn't scroll, also, I wonder if you can spawn 4 for all your desktops Apr 29 20:18:26 pupnik: there's synergy now? Apr 29 20:18:56 hi all. is there any place to find out about fennec plugins? i oftens get stuck with information about pre-n900 releases (like in this case microB addons) and dont anything related to it Apr 29 20:19:23 by the way, since I am very new to the system, I would appreciate if you want to name some of useful applications so that I can take a peek to them. Apr 29 20:20:37 that's really hard. Load applet is a must Apr 29 20:21:00 torch is nice, though clumsy Apr 29 20:21:27 tweakr Apr 29 20:21:32 sandstorm: desktop command execution widget and/or queen beecon Apr 29 20:22:04 and alarmed ;-) Apr 29 20:22:21 checking them, thanks very much Apr 29 20:22:31 xchat Apr 29 20:22:46 ssh Apr 29 20:22:50 screen Apr 29 20:22:59 oh good old screen Apr 29 20:23:06 less, bash, rootsh (!) Apr 29 20:23:22 bash, lifesaver :) Apr 29 20:23:47 mc Apr 29 20:24:01 but I will go with irssi instead xchat I guess :) Apr 29 20:24:08 the various gnu tools Apr 29 20:24:15 toldya it's hard to tell Apr 29 20:24:31 don't worry, it is good to hear thoughts Apr 29 20:24:45 I'd say gcc and friends, but they're not optified :\ Apr 29 20:25:07 numptyphysics Apr 29 20:25:43 that torch is quite useful Apr 29 20:25:50 yes Apr 29 20:25:57 if it's the real one Apr 29 20:26:10 hi all iam now reflashing my device wish me luck lool Apr 29 20:26:16 hmm, is there an immitation as well ? Apr 29 20:26:19 not the liqtorch white screen app with 42MB libliq ;-P Apr 29 20:26:27 oh I see Apr 29 20:26:37 liqbase is much smaller than 42mb! Apr 29 20:26:45 :D Apr 29 20:26:55 and when the next update occurs it will be optified too Apr 29 20:27:04 now i have a fair idea how to do it! Apr 29 20:27:06 hooray :-D Apr 29 20:27:37 oh by the way, for GPS navigation, is there anything good instead of nokia maps ? Apr 29 20:27:47 hmmm Apr 29 20:27:56 hot topic Apr 29 20:28:04 Nokia Maps is good enough but just curiousity Apr 29 20:28:04 sandstorm __sygic Apr 29 20:28:07 DocScrutinizer, the lib is actually tiny - 300kb Apr 29 20:28:25 MAK_: checking that, thanks Apr 29 20:28:39 sandstorm__ur welcome Apr 29 20:29:02 lcuk: I nuked the whitescreen around xmas and never agein looked into it Apr 29 20:29:34 sure Apr 29 20:30:05 love testing if i messed something up and first tests is fubar because my operators mmsc returns internal server error, and when sending 2nd test message it doesnt get sent because i get an incoming mms the exact same second i press send Apr 29 20:30:09 >_< Apr 29 20:30:34 lol Apr 29 20:31:32 time to shoot some developers again! Apr 29 20:31:34 >_> Apr 29 20:32:12 summel, if you shoot developers they come back worse Apr 29 20:32:19 its like a zombie movie Apr 29 20:32:26 now i cant use the build in webbrowser anymore! Apr 29 20:32:28 zombie process Apr 29 20:32:29 only they return from the dead as accountants and lawyers Apr 29 20:32:29 wtf! Apr 29 20:32:35 luck___loooool Apr 29 20:34:02 seeding apparently rapes upload speed Apr 29 20:34:24 mohammad AG hi Apr 29 20:34:26 WHY is my rootfs 95% full? Apr 29 20:34:28 ???? Apr 29 20:34:29 MohammadAG: WTF? Apr 29 20:34:29 >_> Apr 29 20:34:42 DocScrutinizer, seeding Ubuntu 10.04 Apr 29 20:34:51 Huh? Apr 29 20:34:57 Seeding is uploading? Apr 29 20:35:09 err, yeah, for torrents Apr 29 20:35:19 MohammadAG has a nightmare Apr 29 20:35:21 leeching is downloading without uploading Apr 29 20:35:21 who'd have known! Apr 29 20:35:37 DocScrutinizer, I'm perfectly awake :) Apr 29 20:35:41 MohammadAG, leeching is downloading more than you upload. Apr 29 20:36:07 badly formed sentence :) Apr 29 20:36:26 The protocol generally penalizes you for not uploading. Apr 29 20:36:47 how? Apr 29 20:36:49 Now, Comcast makes seeding "rape" upload speed. :P Apr 29 20:36:57 * javispedro is tempted of suggesting a +5M€ place for the 2010 summit Apr 29 20:37:11 lol, I'm getting 5kbps for anything other than the torrent Apr 29 20:37:13 Traffic shaping Apr 29 20:37:24 torrent's uploading @ 80+kbps Apr 29 20:37:31 Evil shit that the FCC couldn't manage to strike down. Apr 29 20:37:41 javispedro, do it! Apr 29 20:37:48 javispedro, Peter will make it happen! Apr 29 20:37:49 I just want 1M€ Apr 29 20:37:58 Let's fly everybody to Tokyo! Apr 29 20:38:10 heh Apr 29 20:38:23 Firefox for mobile Firefox 1.1 Beta 1 for Maemo is out! Read more and get it here: http://bit.ly/balhRm Apr 29 20:38:25 500k? Apr 29 20:38:30 facebook is useful sometimes ^ Apr 29 20:38:45 * MohammadAG gives DocScrutinizer 500k Apr 29 20:39:03 from http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Summit_2010 the budget must be around 500k€ tops Apr 29 20:39:45 €150k Apr 29 20:39:46 lol Apr 29 20:40:16 gah 600 rom Apr 29 20:40:19 *room. Apr 29 20:40:28 *person room. Apr 29 20:40:29 kk, so I'll ask for a humble 50k Apr 29 20:40:29 :) Apr 29 20:40:59 DocScrutinizer: and you'll make the summit in your home? three people per sofa! Apr 29 20:41:09 javispedro, we have to make room for all of corporate types. :rolleyes: Apr 29 20:41:19 hmm, another nice idea Apr 29 20:41:21 * MohammadAG asks for 1 Apr 29 20:41:25 just for the hell of it Apr 29 20:41:26 XD Apr 29 20:41:39 GAN900: oh, corporate types will love the +5M€ place Apr 29 20:41:56 They gave me some brochures for some totally unrelated reason Apr 29 20:42:06 it has even a private golf club Apr 29 20:42:10 clearly the best choice! Apr 29 20:42:13 yeeeeha Apr 29 20:42:17 yaay javispedro!!! Apr 29 20:42:32 N900-golfing Apr 29 20:43:07 "hand me the N900 Iron" Apr 29 20:43:19 * GAN900 waits for all of the budget to go to sponsoring journalists Apr 29 20:43:39 only issue is that the bigger room is only ~150 people. the massaging chairs are that big. Apr 29 20:43:48 *massage. Apr 29 20:44:59 * GAN900 just passed an Exige. Apr 29 20:45:06 * javispedro dreams for a while then goes back to looking for sub1€ places =) Apr 29 20:46:32 how can i prevent sshd being on by default? Apr 29 20:46:49 i.e. start when i start it, not when my n900 boots up Apr 29 20:47:38 if you delete /etc/event.d/sshd and /etc/init.d/sshd it won't start Apr 29 20:48:18 javispedro: i want to be able to start it manually using /etc/init.d/sshd Apr 29 20:48:24 i just don't want it to come on at boot time Apr 29 20:48:50 then delete the /etc/event.d one only, iirc it won't try to start init.d scripts Apr 29 20:49:10 is the the "proper" way to do it? Apr 29 20:49:27 i'm looking for the equivalent of rc-update in gentoo or rcconf in ubuntu Apr 29 20:49:39 no, you won't find that Apr 29 20:50:01 also note that this is upstart we're talking about. Apr 29 20:50:54 ah, didn't know that Apr 29 20:50:56 thanks Apr 29 20:56:37 Maemo uses Upstart instead of init.d? Apr 29 20:56:43 err Apr 29 20:56:44 rc.d Apr 29 20:57:38 for some reason update-rc.d is installed Apr 29 20:57:40 it didn't work Apr 29 20:59:36 Fremantle uses upstart, yes. Apr 29 20:59:45 check your /etc/event.d dir Apr 29 21:13:28 javispedro: thanks Apr 29 21:13:40 changed first line to "start on startsshd" Apr 29 21:13:48 (rather than deleting) Apr 29 21:13:50 ah Apr 29 21:13:56 if you were worried about deleting, Apr 29 21:13:59 you could also chmod a-r Apr 29 21:14:11 but that will be fine too :) Apr 29 21:14:42 javispedro: i thought that rm'ing the file might interfere with the status area thing i use to start it Apr 29 21:15:07 <------ say hello to a new (NOOB) developer Apr 29 21:15:11 now it is off on boot, but the button starts it just fine Apr 29 21:15:16 Djigorifico: hello Apr 29 21:15:19 nice Apr 29 21:15:59 "SSH Status and Switcher" is the package Apr 29 21:16:28 Djigorifico, sorry we have filled vanacies for noob developers and monkeys and stuff Apr 29 21:16:34 maybe at some point i'll get cleverer and have SSH enabled automatically when it detects my wlan Apr 29 21:17:01 lcuk: we got the monkeys..? cool Apr 29 21:17:18 Djigorifico, but if you know how to make a proper bacon sandwich im sure people will offer you guidance :D Apr 29 21:17:21 status thingy is clearly pretty well-written; i was kinda expecting it to assume ssh was on at startup Apr 29 21:17:25 lbt, sure, noobmonk3y Apr 29 21:19:04 lol Apr 29 21:19:08 lbt your n900 should be flashing with Healthcheck updates all the time as pyqt finds its footing under monk3ys expert hand Apr 29 21:19:48 pyqt... thought that was dead Apr 29 21:20:12 well its happily being used by healthcheck Apr 29 21:20:36 code never ides Apr 29 21:20:43 dies either Apr 29 21:20:44 * lbt really needs to redo shopper Apr 29 21:20:50 beware the ides of code! Apr 29 21:20:58 * lcuk slaps SpeedEvil Apr 29 21:21:20 Djigorifico, you say you are a noob developer - what do you mean, new to linux/maemo or new totally Apr 29 21:21:42 * frals smells luck... you dont smell new! Apr 29 21:21:57 lcuk new totally.. Apr 29 21:22:19 so what have you developed? Apr 29 21:22:23 frals, i failed my own healthcheck - the fragometer exploded when i took my shoes off for measurement Apr 29 21:22:23 if you're a developer? Apr 29 21:22:24 and oh i'm new to irc too Apr 29 21:22:32 lcuk: :D Apr 29 21:23:05 Djigorifico, so what do you do with yourself currently? Apr 29 21:24:04 * lbt suggests that Djigorifico learns to type quicker as step #1 to becoming a better developer... Apr 29 21:24:05 code never dies -- it just bitrots Apr 29 21:24:14 silicon heaven :'( Apr 29 21:24:25 be nice to new bees Apr 29 21:24:36 wait wait... IRC question... how do i reply to someone? Apr 29 21:24:38 * lcuk is nice to old bees too Apr 29 21:24:41 javispedro: I once wrote to a guy to ask him to opensource a library to "avoid bitrot" Apr 29 21:24:48 Djigorifico, just type their name? Apr 29 21:25:00 bitrot occurs in OSS too Apr 29 21:25:10 he, in all seriousness, told me that code didn't rot Apr 29 21:25:19 hehe Apr 29 21:25:26 and then told me his academic qualifications to prove he was right Apr 29 21:25:31 same as the mightiest tree in the forest can fall - being open and outside does not stop evolution Apr 29 21:25:32 professor... Apr 29 21:25:34 IT... Apr 29 21:25:45 lcuk I do communication & multimedia design Apr 29 21:25:55 cool beans Apr 29 21:25:57 need I say, it was java 1.3 code... and it's now f*kn useless Apr 29 21:26:14 lbt: Dig up old email. reply. Apr 29 21:26:21 * lcuk used to maintain a program which has its original roots as a qbasic app Apr 29 21:26:22 SpeedEvil++ ;) Apr 29 21:26:22 Djigorifico: test your tabkey for nick completion Apr 29 21:26:36 SpeedEvil: mmm I might :) Apr 29 21:26:56 DocScrutinizer: thank you doc Apr 29 21:27:29 lcuk: so i do webdesign basically Apr 29 21:27:31 welcome Djigorifico -- hope you dont mind the snarky old men Apr 29 21:28:03 who's old??? Apr 29 21:28:16 pr1.2 Apr 29 21:28:27 pupnik: thank you, nah I'm the new generation Apr 29 21:28:31 * javispedro should start an internet meme around pr1.2 Apr 29 21:28:38 pr1.2 actually bitrots Apr 29 21:28:52 that is true since the day the froze Apr 29 21:28:56 *they froze Apr 29 21:29:12 are you sure everything froze tho? Apr 29 21:29:17 lol Apr 29 21:29:20 its finland, ofc it froze Apr 29 21:29:34 fmms is sure changing fast Apr 29 21:29:47 *rolleyes* Apr 29 21:29:58 yeah ds3 it changed from not working, to working! Apr 29 21:30:08 I get almost one update every few days Apr 29 21:30:21 really? i would check your config Apr 29 21:30:24 on finland, you do not start a code freeze -- it starts by itself and you have to code every day for it not to freeze! Apr 29 21:30:35 fmms updates a few times every day for me lol Apr 29 21:30:55 is it changing faster than foreca with compiled in forecast of next 9 days? Apr 29 21:30:57 lcuk: do I fit in with my knowledge? or should i stick to making bacon sandwiches? Apr 29 21:31:06 bacon! Apr 29 21:31:16 Hmmm I think i am in trouble with the latest update Apr 29 21:31:20 you already hit one of the channel keywords in just a few minutes! Apr 29 21:31:26 hmmm bacon :-) Apr 29 21:31:26 it lost track of my APN :( Apr 29 21:31:40 lost track? Apr 29 21:31:48 Djigorifico, of course you do! the more the merrier Apr 29 21:31:56 everybody loves bacon Apr 29 21:31:59 first time I run this new version and Access Point says "Configure" Apr 29 21:32:04 Djigorifico: of course you'll find ways to 'fit in' Apr 29 21:32:05 I had one in there already with fAPN Apr 29 21:32:07 * javispedro doesn't love bacon Apr 29 21:32:20 can someone kick javispedro please Apr 29 21:32:26 ds3: the whole config apn shebangthingy was rewritten in 0.9.x Apr 29 21:32:41 Docs: Don't even think of it Apr 29 21:32:42 JOKING! Apr 29 21:32:45 frals: so is there a special clean up I need to do to remove the stuff from fAPN? Apr 29 21:32:47 /kick javispedro Apr 29 21:32:49 * javispedro prepares for the inevitable kick now Apr 29 21:32:51 ooops Apr 29 21:32:52 :D Apr 29 21:32:55 it shouldve maybe possibly imported your old settings... but it might have failed :P Apr 29 21:33:00 hahaha Apr 29 21:33:16 *sound of relief* Apr 29 21:33:18 * w00t_ wanders in Apr 29 21:33:28 I came across a posting in that 128+ page thread about using gconf to scrub things.. is that what I need ? Apr 29 21:33:31 hey w00t_ Apr 29 21:33:32 javispedro: SpeedEvil: "Hmm. As a computer science professor specializing in software engineering tools, I can assure you that bits in compiled source code (as compared to bits on optical or magnetic media) do not "rot"... " Apr 29 21:33:32 ds3: you can just remove the old one with fAPN, should be no problem i think :P Apr 29 21:33:35 taht election debate was a bloody annoying timesink Apr 29 21:33:39 Djigorifico, is making bacon butties if you want one Apr 29 21:33:41 where did my evening go >:( Apr 29 21:33:41 ds3: yeah do that and then reinstall, best option :) Apr 29 21:33:54 frals: is fapn needed anymore? Apr 29 21:33:56 U suck! Apr 29 21:33:59 ds3: nope Apr 29 21:34:05 okay Apr 29 21:34:24 ok, I want to start developing...problem is.. I don't have a linux system Apr 29 21:34:25 im flad i dont need to fap to send mms's Apr 29 21:34:26 np: Sir Mix-A-Lot - I like big butties. Apr 29 21:34:38 Djigorifico: you dont need one Apr 29 21:34:47 Djigorifico, investigate MADDE or the new qt sdk Apr 29 21:34:49 Djigorifico: ah! you made it then Apr 29 21:35:04 Djigorifico: im developing on win7 (or well, directly on device, but ye.. :P) Apr 29 21:35:11 w00t_: yess!! Apr 29 21:35:17 frals: and you said lcuk was insane for on-device development (:P) Apr 29 21:35:25 lbt: so he really understood bitrot in the literal sense? O.o Apr 29 21:35:37 lcuk: i got qt creator Apr 29 21:35:39 Djigorifico: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ Apr 29 21:35:40 I was thiking something else :) Apr 29 21:35:53 w00t_: coding python on device is A LOT saner than coding and COMPILING c on device! Apr 29 21:35:59 frals: pfft Apr 29 21:36:34 I was actually thinking about how to do distributed on-device compiles the other week, got to put the two n900s we have here to work somehow :) Apr 29 21:36:42 w00t_: I got that too Apr 29 21:37:05 i was gonna try that nokia qt sdk, created a hello world app, failed to compile :( Apr 29 21:37:12 got sad and went back to coding python on device! Apr 29 21:37:52 it certainly has kinks Apr 29 21:38:03 I'm not surprised given it's such early days Apr 29 21:38:23 w00t_: Gwaaaan. Apr 29 21:38:30 SpeedEvil: mm? Apr 29 21:38:31 but up until compiling stage it looked good! Apr 29 21:38:34 w00t_: Make distcc in extras-devel Apr 29 21:38:39 SpeedEvil: heheh Apr 29 21:38:43 what's the latest procedure for using fmms? do I still need to disconnect first then download an MMS? Apr 29 21:38:46 Ok so I got the qt creator installed, tried to make a hello world app. but it never made it to my phone Apr 29 21:38:46 w00t_, i have scripts to do it now, but its a ballache Apr 29 21:38:49 w00t_: So any compilation is shared over all devices with it installed. Apr 29 21:38:52 ds3: depends on connection mode Apr 29 21:38:57 i want compilation to occur to all members of group Apr 29 21:39:01 ds3: (first post of fmms thread is somewhat up to date) Apr 29 21:39:05 SpeedEvil: public n900 compile farm? hmm. :P Apr 29 21:39:21 we have excellent cross compilers, use them! Apr 29 21:39:29 javispedro: that takes all the fun out of life Apr 29 21:39:44 oh, fun was battling compiler bugs back in cs2005 and older toolchain Apr 29 21:39:49 s. Apr 29 21:40:02 frals: which thread? the one I been trying to keep up with has 128+ pages Apr 29 21:40:13 ds3: the huge one at 151 pages Apr 29 21:40:58 151...hehe... I am so far behind Apr 29 21:41:21 ds3: but as i said, the first post should be enough ;) Apr 29 21:42:01 turns out I had it working but for some reason old MMS messages couldn't be downloaded... no biggie Apr 29 21:42:19 they probably got deleted from the operators mmsc ;) Apr 29 21:42:48 it has only been 4 days! Apr 29 21:43:00 hmm :P Apr 29 21:43:48 anyways... I like this new version...thanks! Apr 29 21:43:54 np! Apr 29 21:44:19 it seems to have seemless integrated (at least to the level I care about) Apr 29 21:52:20 * lcuk might actually finish the dreaming void tonight Apr 29 21:52:33 anybody got Qt tutorials? and how do i port apps to my phone? Apr 29 21:52:35 oooh 40 pages left Apr 29 21:52:57 hamilton++ Apr 29 21:53:14 with qt, yoo should just be able to change the build configuration to target maemo/meego and copy resulting stuff over Apr 29 21:53:30 SpeedEvil, yeah but hes very wordy Apr 29 21:53:33 Djigorifico: Qt comes with a series of tutorials in the docs Apr 29 21:53:47 its been hard work remembering all the actors and protagonists etc Apr 29 21:54:07 especially since ive been uber busy Apr 29 21:54:33 lcuk: I recommend Vernor Vinge - A fire upon the deep. Apr 29 21:54:36 lcuk: I cheat Apr 29 21:54:43 lcuk: I have a hacky awk script Apr 29 21:55:14 an awk script to read a book? Apr 29 21:55:24 "Microsoft Confirms Courier Project By Cancelling It" Apr 29 21:55:25 SpeedEvil: love that book Apr 29 21:55:35 lcuk: It looks for capitalised words where they should not be (proper names) and if the name has not occurred in the past 50 lines - link back to the first occurrance Apr 29 21:55:49 lcuk: Stupid, but works surprisingly well Apr 29 21:56:33 Very good for 'cast of thousands' books. Apr 29 21:57:23 what about cast on long named creatures that arer also rerfered to with various nicknames books? Apr 29 21:57:34 lcuk: where do i change the target? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 21:57:51 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 21:58:15 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 21:58:51 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 22:00:14 2010 Apr 29 22:01:37 (well they obviously have a target to create, but not a device) Apr 29 22:01:51 asjWrk: so i just have to qmake it and send it to the device? Apr 29 22:02:58 Djigorifico: essentially, of course you have to have all the cross tools, cross compiled qt, etc all installed and working...the nokia qt beta sdk takes care of that I beleive Apr 29 22:03:38 asjWrk: ok i'll try that brb Apr 29 22:18:29 i set a jayz mp3 as my ring tone and i think my phone speakers were popping Apr 29 22:19:08 filter to remove any content under about 200hz Apr 29 22:21:07 hey python peeps - any idea where i can get pyopengl library from? Apr 29 22:21:27 i want to use some pyside opengl and the examples need it for something or other Apr 29 22:21:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634141#post634141 Apr 29 22:26:25 is there like Apr 29 22:26:33 SpeedEvil: isn't that what the nokia-proprietary PA speaker protector does? Apr 29 22:26:47 a way to define a certain ringtone per person? Apr 29 22:26:53 hey all! Apr 29 22:26:58 i dont see the option in contacts Apr 29 22:27:11 Mace_N900: not ootb Apr 29 22:27:12 dunno Apr 29 22:27:19 ootb? Apr 29 22:27:25 Mace_N900: but there are some projects Apr 29 22:27:26 out of the box Apr 29 22:27:28 Out Of The BVox Apr 29 22:27:29 oh Apr 29 22:27:35 damn Apr 29 22:27:39 that sucks Apr 29 22:27:43 what's going on in here? :) Apr 29 22:27:48 Mace_N900: what's up? Apr 29 22:27:55 huh? Apr 29 22:28:10 no way gto define ringtones for contacts Apr 29 22:28:15 :) Apr 29 22:28:36 some of the maemo options remind me of symbian Apr 29 22:28:38 Mace_N900: told you there are several projects implementing that Apr 29 22:28:49 doc.. that are released? Apr 29 22:28:51 indeed, personal ringtones are useful Apr 29 22:29:01 or on the way? Apr 29 22:29:20 Mace_N900: projects in FOSS never are 'released', the evolve in public Apr 29 22:29:38 i didnt notice any on the repos Apr 29 22:29:52 seems they got a state of being useable Apr 29 22:30:09 Mace_N900, in tmo forums the startings of technical solutions etc Apr 29 22:30:17 first generation hacks to make it work :) Apr 29 22:30:19 blah Apr 29 22:30:22 haha Apr 29 22:30:24 * lcuk can see them evolving quickly Apr 29 22:30:26 haha Apr 29 22:30:41 so when the N1000 is out Apr 29 22:30:42 Mace_N900, why laugh, everything starts as a hack Apr 29 22:30:55 i can have personalizedmcontact ringtones Apr 29 22:30:55 ahhh, evolution! Apr 29 22:30:56 :D Apr 29 22:30:56 polishing it and making it viable to be integrated is the next (and longer phase) Apr 29 22:30:57 wtf is N1000? Apr 29 22:31:07 in maemo 7 Apr 29 22:31:12 DocScrutinizer: N900+100? Apr 29 22:31:15 Mace_N900, 6 months ago we had no mms Apr 29 22:31:19 which wont run on a nOPP Apr 29 22:31:23 n900 Apr 29 22:31:26 :) Apr 29 22:31:29 Mace_N900: I still don't ;) Apr 29 22:31:34 mms? Apr 29 22:31:41 i have sms.. no mms Apr 29 22:31:46 who cares of mms? Apr 29 22:31:47 well... I actually owned all the internet tablets Apr 29 22:31:54 * DocScrutinizer smells trolling Apr 29 22:31:56 or am missing something? Apr 29 22:32:00 * lcuk does too Apr 29 22:32:13 Mace_N900: replied to the wrong person, that was for lcuk Apr 29 22:32:16 Mace_N900, fmms Apr 29 22:32:29 fmms? where? Apr 29 22:32:31 oh, nice Apr 29 22:32:34 770->800->810->900 Apr 29 22:32:47 * Mace_N900 looks Apr 29 22:32:48 eeny meeny miny mo Apr 29 22:32:52 and things keep evolving... Apr 29 22:32:56 where should my hammer go Apr 29 22:33:07 lcuk: don't look at me! :) Apr 29 22:33:16 i care of browsing the net .. and still did not get the point of addons for fennec Apr 29 22:33:35 thanks tho doc Apr 29 22:33:42 no fmms on repos Apr 29 22:33:49 blah :) Apr 29 22:33:52 now back to the tardis! Apr 29 22:33:54 :o Apr 29 22:33:54 it comes in handy Apr 29 22:33:55 scnr Apr 29 22:33:59 Mace_N900: install all the repos Apr 29 22:34:09 where is the list? Apr 29 22:34:18 dockane: adblock is good :) Apr 29 22:34:19 no, dont Apr 29 22:34:23 is there a .deb that installs them for you? Apr 29 22:34:25 :) Apr 29 22:34:26 beside you can have it in microb as well :) Apr 29 22:34:35 mace if you want to wait until its completely ready just hand on Apr 29 22:34:37 i hate typing all that stuff Apr 29 22:34:52 maddler: that did not work for me -_- Apr 29 22:35:09 lcuk, oh... ok Apr 29 22:35:10 but for your info, http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ Apr 29 22:35:14 lcuk: will fmms make it into extras? Apr 29 22:35:27 yes Apr 29 22:35:32 1.0 is near Apr 29 22:35:39 summel: working fine here... strange... Apr 29 22:35:45 fmms is in devel Apr 29 22:36:02 maddler: i always get a 404 when trying to opn the page where i an add the subscriptions -_- Apr 29 22:36:20 fmms 1.0 sould hit testing soon :) Apr 29 22:36:20 summel: even more strange... Apr 29 22:36:40 maddler: adblock. wow. ok. now what about:config? Apr 29 22:36:44 unusalbe Apr 29 22:37:22 summel, when it hits testing it should be tested thoroughly and we have to collectively help frals Apr 29 22:37:34 dockane: never said fennec is perfect :) Apr 29 22:37:45 i do not enable testing on my phone! Apr 29 22:37:54 i have enough problems with it as it is now :( Apr 29 22:37:59 summel, ok reasonable enough Apr 29 22:38:13 whats your principle issue(s) ? Apr 29 22:38:27 dockane: maemo is (yet) far from perfect and (perhaps?) not yet ready for "standard" users Apr 29 22:38:39 1. rootfs is foll and thus microb stopps working avery now and then Apr 29 22:38:52 2. fs on the uSD card always gets corrupted Apr 29 22:39:02 3. i cant rearrange the phone numbers of a contact Apr 29 22:39:11 cant remember the rest atm :P Apr 29 22:39:57 summel: video-calls? ;) Apr 29 22:40:10 ok rootfs is simplest, just remove some extra apps for now, pr1.2 has some additional help in this regard Apr 29 22:40:25 2 you live near cern as we sussed the other night, i do find it odd Apr 29 22:40:29 maddler: never tested because my provider does not support it and i dont have a contact with a sip account and it does not work over jabber appearantly Apr 29 22:40:29 Also - disable all teh repositories Apr 29 22:40:31 3 is there a bug report? Apr 29 22:40:31 maddler: there is nothing wrong about that. considerable flawless browsing needs basics like flash block imho Apr 29 22:40:32 and gain some space Apr 29 22:40:49 lcuk: but afaik NO app installs in rootfs... they all go in MyDocs? Apr 29 22:40:53 SpeedEvil, from what summel just said he doesnt run -testing or -devel stuff Apr 29 22:41:01 summel, false Apr 29 22:41:16 lcuk: yes i did not enable ANY additional repository Apr 29 22:41:23 the maemo-optify to date does not move everything off the rootfs Apr 29 22:41:25 many apps go in /home Apr 29 22:41:25 even if that would fix problem no. 4 Apr 29 22:41:31 and not everyapp moves everything Apr 29 22:41:38 summel: how old is your n900? Apr 29 22:41:45 SpeedEvil: a few days ... Apr 29 22:41:46 dockane: I agree. That's why, beside being *more than happy* with my N900, I think Maemo needs to keep improving Apr 29 22:41:52 tomorrow its a week Apr 29 22:41:59 summel, reasonable enough sticking with just extras Apr 29 22:42:02 dockane: lot of things "missing", and many to fix Apr 29 22:42:08 summel: Install gnu-find - find / -ctime -5 Apr 29 22:42:13 if your app manager is still working Apr 29 22:42:16 find / -mount Apr 29 22:42:19 then remove stuff you dont use/like Apr 29 22:42:22 to show all new files Apr 29 22:42:26 on rootfs Apr 29 22:42:49 SpeedEvil: there is no package gnu-find Apr 29 22:42:49 SpeedEvil, no point in extra confusion if none required yet - summel did you get device from new? Apr 29 22:42:52 or second user Apr 29 22:43:00 summel: settings->about - what is the version? Apr 29 22:43:08 summel: oops - sorry - it's from extras Apr 29 22:43:13 or extras-devel Apr 29 22:43:25 3.2010.02-8 Apr 29 22:43:32 yes SpeedEvil hold off on installing anything, lets just take it easy Apr 29 22:43:43 i dont enable -devel or -testing or anything ele Apr 29 22:43:51 yeah Apr 29 22:43:53 summel, if you open app manager can you remove things Apr 29 22:43:56 lcuk: yes its a new one Apr 29 22:43:57 or does it shout at you Apr 29 22:44:01 freshly from amazon Apr 29 22:44:08 summel: by 'full' - what do you mean? Apr 29 22:44:14 lcuk: i guess but i did not install a lot of apps and i need most Apr 29 22:44:20 kill some of the bloated games Apr 29 22:44:21 SpeedEvil: df -h shows 95% Apr 29 22:44:39 even after removing firefox Apr 29 22:44:42 which sucks btw Apr 29 22:44:43 :D Apr 29 22:44:53 summel, sure it does Apr 29 22:45:23 its something every developer and nokia are trying hard to ensure you can install everything you want on device :) Apr 29 22:45:31 what makes me a little bit upset is the point that there is a lot of confusion when trying to get documentation Apr 29 22:45:46 no way to copy txt in the browser? Apr 29 22:45:54 then why not simply make 1 32gb / fs? -_- Apr 29 22:45:58 Mace_N900, use silly swipe gesture Apr 29 22:46:05 use the getting started widget to show you how Apr 29 22:46:06 haha Apr 29 22:46:09 Mace_N900: ctrl + v Apr 29 22:46:10 omg Apr 29 22:46:16 :) Apr 29 22:46:17 summel Apr 29 22:46:26 32gb file system would not be right either Apr 29 22:46:31 Mace_N900: so obvious i also didnÄt notice it xD Apr 29 22:46:38 lcuk: but it would work :P Apr 29 22:46:41 because it would mean reflashing your device would take your photos with it Apr 29 22:46:56 thats just one use case i wouldnt like Apr 29 22:47:03 then save pictures etc on the uSD card per defaut! Apr 29 22:47:06 -_- Apr 29 22:47:06 summel i cant select the txt tho Apr 29 22:47:15 http://www.apnews.com/ap/db_45577/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Gnt1HKat Apr 29 22:47:19 oops Apr 29 22:47:20 Mace_N900: yeah i guess you cant select text from the browser Apr 29 22:47:22 perhaps someone should consider having more than 256MB as rootfs ;) Apr 29 22:47:37 summel, there has to be a way heh Apr 29 22:47:47 maddler: or start shooting developers like i demand! :P Apr 29 22:47:49 swipe from left to right and enable cursor in browser Apr 29 22:47:52 exterminate! exterminate! Apr 29 22:47:58 summel: lol :) Apr 29 22:48:00 :x Apr 29 22:48:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50473 tmo needs a database nuke Apr 29 22:48:03 frals: :O thx! Apr 29 22:48:10 Mace_N900, really, there is a swipe gesture from the left hand side of the screen Apr 29 22:48:13 back to MW2 Apr 29 22:48:18 that enables a selection pointer cursor thing Apr 29 22:48:35 do i need the package "mozilla-runtime" for microb? Apr 29 22:48:42 has anyone got sound working in the maemo sdk? Apr 29 22:48:55 the multimedia player says it cannot play every file i select Apr 29 22:49:02 but i installed the gstreamer ugly plugins Apr 29 22:49:03 sECuRE: no but i have more important issues with the sdk :D Apr 29 22:49:27 summel, microb is installed by default Apr 29 22:49:44 ah ok Apr 29 22:49:45 got it Apr 29 22:49:49 :) Apr 29 22:49:56 lcuk: yes... but i installed firfox to test it and removed it and now i have a package mozilla-runtime still installed Apr 29 22:50:03 can i remove that or not? :D Apr 29 22:50:06 mace, i think "these arent the web pages you are looking for" every time i make that swiping gesture Apr 29 22:50:07 summel: I think you can remove it. or at least I did and nothing bad happened... yet :) Apr 29 22:50:19 summel, if you remove it and it breaks Apr 29 22:50:22 nothing much is lost Apr 29 22:50:23 sECuRE, the sounds app (or whatever it's called) is removed after installing the nokia-binaries Apr 29 22:50:29 just reflash and restore your backup Apr 29 22:50:35 hum, ok Apr 29 22:50:46 why does it net get removed when i remove firefox? -_- Apr 29 22:51:01 ask firefox people? Apr 29 22:51:03 file a bug about it Apr 29 22:51:10 * MohammadAG sighs at the time needed to upgrade Ubuntu Apr 29 22:51:19 upgrade? Apr 29 22:51:36 can i just keep updating normally rather than moving to the aweful inverted window thing Apr 29 22:52:01 lcuk, inverted window? Apr 29 22:52:15 just switch to kubuntu :P Apr 29 22:52:36 i'd rather give birth to a basketball thanks Apr 29 22:52:40 :O Apr 29 22:52:55 10.04 really IS a useable kbuntu again! Apr 29 22:52:56 anyone using tmobile USA and fmms? I can't seem to send out, but can receive perfectly Apr 29 22:52:57 lcuk, oh, gconf fixes that :) Apr 29 22:53:17 mmmnf Apr 29 22:53:22 come to think of it 10.04 Beta 2 did break my scratchbox install Apr 29 22:53:24 gconf is soooo much fail Apr 29 22:53:26 i might try it on next machine i install Apr 29 22:53:30 buntkuh Apr 29 22:53:31 but im not changing for the sake of it Apr 29 22:53:33 gconf > registry Apr 29 22:53:34 * DocScrutinizer burps Apr 29 22:54:10 "uhhh windows is soooo bad and sucks soooo much" "yeah! lets copy the worst part of it and include it in gnome!" Apr 29 22:54:11 -_- Apr 29 22:54:13 Mohammad iam lara from middle east plz help me law sam7t Apr 29 22:54:29 MohammadAG: on what scale? nastiness? Apr 29 22:54:30 i thought microb auto rotated Apr 29 22:54:47 mem usage Apr 29 22:54:49 Mace_N900: in 1.2 Apr 29 22:54:53 sucking? Apr 29 22:54:53 oh Apr 29 22:54:56 you still have 1.1 Apr 29 22:54:57 damn heh Apr 29 22:55:05 DocScrutinizer, not getting corrupt or having problems Apr 29 22:55:15 1.2 isnt oficially out yet is it? Apr 29 22:55:23 Mace_N900, title Apr 29 22:55:29 * MohammadAG requests +o Apr 29 22:55:30 jk :P Apr 29 22:55:32 oops Apr 29 22:55:34 hahahaha Apr 29 22:55:34 ~nuke gconf Apr 29 22:55:35 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gconf ... B☢☢M! Apr 29 22:55:37 topic* Apr 29 22:55:46 * Mace_N900 hides Apr 29 22:56:26 thats kind of harsh isnt it? Apr 29 22:56:30 :) Apr 29 22:56:34 gconf == registry (but I still think it's not a bad idea) Apr 29 22:56:57 MohamasAG_:mohammad plz help me iam lara from middle east plz help me with reflashing my device plz law sam7t Apr 29 22:57:04 if gconf is a good idea, then unix is the suckiest thing ever Apr 29 22:57:33 MAK_, keep it english in here, if you want switch to PM Apr 29 22:57:44 javispedro: why is it NOT a bad idea? ooOO Apr 29 22:57:55 How does gconf work - is there a daemon that stores the properties in the files or something? Apr 29 22:57:56 cause it's not a bad idea and it works :) Apr 29 22:58:09 ... Apr 29 22:58:20 why is a universal configuration file format, with detailed specifications, that promotes commenting each and every setting with a brief docstring a bad idea? Apr 29 22:58:27 it IS a *bad* idea Apr 29 22:58:28 MohammadAG_:sorry mohammad thnx Apr 29 22:58:33 SpeedEvil: there's a daemon that caches and handles locking Apr 29 22:58:34 text files are better :P Apr 29 22:58:43 DocScrutinizer, elaborate :) Apr 29 22:58:50 ah Apr 29 22:58:59 summel: gconf -- it's all text files. Apr 29 22:59:07 i dont have to search the whole gconf editor thingy for some cryptic string which COULD do what i want to or not... Apr 29 22:59:10 text files scale poorly over multiple apps Apr 29 22:59:39 why not simply do it like every GOOD app and use .config/ ? Apr 29 22:59:41 -_- Apr 29 22:59:45 If all the gconf strings were listed - perhaps on a nice page on the wiki Apr 29 22:59:47 ... Apr 29 22:59:55 MohammadAG: unix has clear text config files, always had, and ever will. And everything going to change that is MEGACRAP Apr 29 23:00:00 summel: because that doesn't work so well if you want 4 apps to access it Apr 29 23:00:00 SpeedEvil: they are listed -- that's one of the benefits from my PoV. Apr 29 23:00:05 SpeedEvil: it's called schemas Apr 29 23:00:10 SpeedEvil: still bad compared to a weel documented plaintext config file :P Apr 29 23:00:14 javispedro: Listed - and documented Apr 29 23:00:19 SpeedEvil: why not? oO it works in kde :) Apr 29 23:00:19 yes! Apr 29 23:00:30 javispedro: What key do I need to set - if I want to set the picture of the desktop? Apr 29 23:00:39 SpeedEvil: they're documented -- and in fact there's even support for i18n Apr 29 23:00:51 * SpeedEvil looked for docs and failed. Apr 29 23:00:57 * SpeedEvil may just suck at google. Apr 29 23:00:58 DocScrutinizer, how does your app know that i changed a config file from outside? Apr 29 23:01:06 -HUP Apr 29 23:01:11 exactly Apr 29 23:01:14 no need to swear Apr 29 23:01:18 SpeedEvil: grep wallpaper -r /usr/share/gconf/schemas Apr 29 23:01:23 lcuk: theres a deamon... i cant recall the name... -_- Apr 29 23:01:45 javispedro: And how do I know wallpaper is the magic string? Apr 29 23:01:53 HUP == http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg%27s_uncertainty_principle Apr 29 23:02:00 DocScrutinizer, fair enough... Apr 29 23:02:01 SpeedEvil: it was the first word I tried, honest! :) Apr 29 23:02:06 SpeedEvil: exactly... it could be background_image Apr 29 23:02:07 :P Apr 29 23:02:16 or just bg_file Apr 29 23:02:22 background also has some hits Apr 29 23:02:34 I am grepping into HUMAN readable strings, not key names Apr 29 23:02:35 SpeedEvil, how would you know what the magic string was in a text file? Apr 29 23:02:53 lcuk: i would rad the sections starting with a # Apr 29 23:02:55 :P Apr 29 23:02:58 *read Apr 29 23:03:00 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# grep wallpaper -r /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ Apr 29 23:03:00 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# Apr 29 23:03:00 if you manage not to hit any of the usual keywords they used to document the key .. well, sorry. IA might help there ;) Apr 29 23:03:30 SpeedEvil, wow, you never reflashed? Apr 29 23:03:30 SpeedEvil: do not fish Maemo for examples of good practices, you know the saying ;) Apr 29 23:04:02 on a gnome desktop, I get hits even for changing the gnome-terminal background Apr 29 23:04:03 MohammadAG: ? Apr 29 23:04:27 MohammadAG: oh. No - OTA Apr 29 23:04:34 a central registry daemon is a brainfucked idea from any POV Apr 29 23:04:37 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# Apr 29 23:04:37 gnome-panel, gnometris, glines (background color), ... Apr 29 23:04:39 :) Apr 29 23:05:05 DocScrutinizer: Next you'll be complaining about dbus Apr 29 23:05:08 DocScrutinizer: I just has someone telling me how the registry should be in the kernel yesterday Apr 29 23:05:19 (which should be in the kernel) Apr 29 23:05:42 SpeedEvil: dbus is a flavour of IPC, not a perverted config file Apr 29 23:05:58 dcop was better imho Apr 29 23:06:01 :P Apr 29 23:06:38 summel: so, if your proposed KDE replacement uses text files in .config and a daemon, what's the difference with text files in .gconf and a daemon again? Apr 29 23:06:53 gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/MyDocs/.images/weather.png Apr 29 23:06:59 ah - intuitive - of course Apr 29 23:07:14 javispedro: no there is only a general deamon that checks every file for changes... afaik... nthing kde specific Apr 29 23:07:38 SpeedEvil, that's intuitive? Apr 29 23:07:42 and in kde nearly everything is configurable through a gui so there is no need to search in some strange gconf tool :P Apr 29 23:07:43 * MohammadAG shoots himself in the foot Apr 29 23:08:10 * DocScrutinizer feels like beer >> maemo.irc Apr 29 23:08:15 MohammadAG: shoot the developers! :D Apr 29 23:08:26 * MohammadAG shoots summel *ricochet* Apr 29 23:08:27 SpeedEvil: as said, Maemo only has short strings... (not that I complain, I too have usually under-documented gconf keys in my apps) Apr 29 23:08:36 :( Apr 29 23:09:15 Oh - on that topic - is there something on the device that can rescale or crop images? Apr 29 23:09:29 builtin image viewer can crop Apr 29 23:09:30 SpeedEvil: buy an iphone for that! :P Apr 29 23:09:39 javispedro: oh it can? :D Apr 29 23:09:42 hmm true Apr 29 23:09:49 i cropped my avatar... :o Apr 29 23:09:50 SpeedEvil: yes. assign an image to a contact Apr 29 23:10:17 hasn't imagemagik or netpbm been ported to the n900 yet? ;) Apr 29 23:10:28 gimp Apr 29 23:10:47 autocad Apr 29 23:10:49 I have a crap script. Apr 29 23:10:53 http://pastebin.com/U4FDCY9g Apr 29 23:11:03 it puts weather on my desktop every 10 mins Apr 29 23:11:08 15 Apr 29 23:11:24 But the pic is the wrong size for the desk, and gets truncated, not squashed Apr 29 23:11:24 * javispedro has a half-assed widget made for that Apr 29 23:11:37 did anyone make a proper live www image widget? Apr 29 23:11:55 next you'll want xearth with live clouds Apr 29 23:12:04 In some ways I'd like a little browser widget, that could take arbitrary html Apr 29 23:12:13 there's an app for that :-P Apr 29 23:12:15 but - in other ways - I like my RAM somewhat empty Apr 29 23:12:20 exactly :) Apr 29 23:12:27 i want to play crysis on my n900 :o Apr 29 23:12:39 ok not really Apr 29 23:12:41 There is 'webcam-viewer' - which sort-of-does that Apr 29 23:12:44 but wow would be nice :o Apr 29 23:12:47 I want to convert Pb to Au with it Apr 29 23:12:50 you can set it to poll one site for jpegs Apr 29 23:14:06 so gimme that DESY app Apr 29 23:14:37 * DocScrutinizer detects silly hour and waves, wandering off Apr 29 23:14:51 silly hour. Apr 29 23:15:45 these are the intarwebs. there are no silly "hours" :O Apr 29 23:17:17 where do I get the PR 1.2 SDK? Apr 29 23:17:46 maemo.org Apr 29 23:17:55 there is no 1.1 SDK :((((( Apr 29 23:18:00 this is ole grumpy DocScrutinizer -> many silly hours Apr 29 23:18:27 sar3th|away: you know there is /away ... Apr 29 23:19:08 heard there's such thing called RL Apr 29 23:19:14 ewww Apr 29 23:19:17 thats just a myth Apr 29 23:19:55 so what's /away then? apm -s ? Apr 29 23:21:15 anybody with Nokia QT SDK knowledge? i followed the tutorial but failed to compile Apr 29 23:21:46 I followed the readme* Apr 29 23:23:38 frals around for a quirky question about fmms? Apr 29 23:28:14 DocScrutinizer: what's that? CTCP? Apr 29 23:28:50 version request Apr 29 23:29:12 DocScrutinizer: Pb to Au... that would drain the battery... Apr 29 23:29:21 CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von Djigo empfangen: qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.1.249.1064 Safari/532.5. Apr 29 23:30:27 Safari... Safari Carpet Bomb... Apr 29 23:30:44 of 2 bed Apr 29 23:31:10 DocScrutinizer: what's that? LOL Apr 29 23:31:24 Djigo: your client version Apr 29 23:32:38 Djigo: just because your /whois also looks a little weird Apr 29 23:32:56 [Whois] Djigo ist ~52cc611e@gateway/web/freenode/x-yeuhmraahkvkkbwj (30-97.kg.ftth.internl.net/82.204.97.30 - http://we) Apr 29 23:33:08 Djigo: http://tinyurl.com/yklv8nc Apr 29 23:34:30 [Whois] DocScrutinizer ist ~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg) Apr 29 23:35:10 l8er Apr 29 23:36:00 DocScrutinizer: i'm the guy from earlier... Djigorifico Apr 29 23:36:11 yeah, I know Apr 29 23:36:31 just a litle *hint* about your appearance Apr 29 23:37:21 see above - my real name is "Joerg". Yours seem to be "30-97.kg.ftth.internl.net/82.204.97.30 - http://we" Apr 29 23:39:35 DocScrutinizer: i'm using google chrome, if that clears things up Apr 29 23:40:57 hmm yes. I thought as much, from CTCP query. No idea if that has decent ways to config things lke real-name, username etc Apr 29 23:42:00 Djigo: it's no poblem, just doesn't look very nice Apr 29 23:42:38 Barring PR1.2, is there a way to update the several apps that seem to rely on it? Apr 29 23:43:27 this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 seems to help sometimes Apr 29 23:45:27 I don't see how that would solve the QT dependency issues. Apr 29 23:45:40 replace dpkg -i pyside... by dpkg -i --force-all pyside... Apr 29 23:46:20 it did, for me Apr 29 23:47:59 I had some dependencies to fooQT-4.6.2 which made install of alarmed fail Apr 29 23:48:14 which IRC client are you guys using? Apr 29 23:48:23 pidgin Apr 29 23:48:32 xchat on N900, Konversation on PC Apr 29 23:49:12 hopefully soon Konversation on N900, too Apr 29 23:49:20 lol Apr 29 23:49:39 with fullblown KDE & compiz Apr 29 23:49:46 hehe Apr 29 23:49:52 no, a Maemo port with adjusted UI Apr 29 23:50:14 hmm, I'd call that xchat Apr 29 23:50:34 looks veeeery similar Apr 29 23:50:45 DocScrutinizer: Though Konvi can do things like http://buscher.zxq.net/wp-content/uploads/konvdrawplanet.png which are going to be fun on a touch device Apr 29 23:51:26 UGHH - what's *that*? Apr 29 23:51:39 it uses dcc, I don't predict that will help much Apr 29 23:51:39 collaborative drawing Apr 29 23:52:02 yeah Apr 29 23:52:10 .oO(???) Apr 29 23:52:43 pidgin here, xchat on n900 Apr 29 23:53:16 dcc will 'never' work with the source a mobile Apr 29 23:53:33 (as it relies on the senders port being reachable) Apr 29 23:53:37 depends Apr 29 23:53:49 Konversation supports passive DCC, so it can shift the burden to the recipient Apr 29 23:54:15 it also can negotiate port forwards over UPnP, that'd work in a NAT'd WLAN at least Apr 29 23:54:18 well, port it Apr 29 23:54:29 but yeah, I agree that DCC is problematic on mobile broadband otherwise Apr 29 23:55:58 Now on xchat Apr 29 23:56:36 much nicer Apr 29 23:59:27 Sho_: you can't guarante the receiver can do it ether, working sometimes and not others isn't a good recipe for sucess Apr 29 23:59:54 asjWrk: yup Apr 30 00:00:08 Sho_: I guess they just didn't use ctcp due to flood issues, but if they did rastor...it would seem that you could pack a lot into ~300chars/line Apr 30 00:00:28 DocScrutinizer, maybe you can help me with this.. I made an html app in Qt Creator, I set up my N900 for wireless access, just like in the readme file, but it still wont let me access the phone when compiling Apr 30 00:01:33 err, access the phone when compiling? Sorry I don't get that part Apr 30 00:02:25 with Mad Developer Apr 30 00:02:34 I only know about ssh into the phone Apr 30 00:02:46 don't know madde Apr 30 00:03:04 but I guess you need to install ssh to your phone Apr 30 00:03:44 ssh server right? Apr 30 00:03:53 or client? Apr 30 00:04:02 install both - there's a methapackage Apr 30 00:04:30 ok i'll do it right quick Apr 30 00:05:19 done Apr 30 00:05:23 what's next? Apr 30 00:06:06 well, you should have entered a password for root Apr 30 00:06:20 I guess madde will ask for that Apr 30 00:06:31 yes i already did it for madde Apr 30 00:06:53 installing sshd server asks you for a password Apr 30 00:07:56 yes I entered the password Apr 30 00:08:03 if madde tries to login to root@N900, it will need that password Apr 30 00:09:33 maybe you should try if ssh login works, from your PC. Putty e.g is suitable for that Apr 30 00:10:01 (if you're on windows) Apr 30 00:10:09 yes, i'm on windows Apr 30 00:10:20 the program is called Putty? Apr 30 00:10:25 yes Apr 30 00:10:27 PuTTY Apr 30 00:10:37 DocScrutinizer, be case sensitive! Apr 30 00:10:38 :P Apr 30 00:11:07 gnah, windows isn't afaik ;-P Apr 30 00:11:15 though I never checked Apr 30 00:11:23 ok i got PuTTY opened LOL Apr 30 00:11:42 DocScrutinizer, yeah, sad, isn't it? :) Apr 30 00:12:08 now that do I have to enter? Apr 30 00:12:37 depends on how your N900 is 'connected' to your PC Apr 30 00:12:39 what* Apr 30 00:13:14 I got the usb cable and a router Apr 30 00:13:29 choose one! Apr 30 00:13:33 wifi router is easy Apr 30 00:13:47 ok Apr 30 00:13:56 check what IP the N900 got from routers DHCP Apr 30 00:14:24 if i remember my routers password LOL Apr 30 00:14:29 let me check Apr 30 00:15:50 I dont know the password anymore :( Apr 30 00:16:09 N900 terminal Apr 30 00:16:15 ifconfig Apr 30 00:17:07 not found Apr 30 00:17:17 root Apr 30 00:17:39 you've installed rootsh? Apr 30 00:17:57 yes Apr 30 00:18:11 so enter 'root' Apr 30 00:18:16 yes Apr 30 00:18:20 id Apr 30 00:18:21 i think i see the ip Apr 30 00:18:36 * MohammadAG helps DocScrutinizer see the other end of the N900 Apr 30 00:18:37 192.168.1.103 Apr 30 00:18:41 "Root Shell enabled" Apr 30 00:19:31 ok so i entered the ip in putty Apr 30 00:19:54 enter user 'root' Apr 30 00:20:06 connect via ssh, NOT via telnet Apr 30 00:20:53 yes i checked that Apr 30 00:20:56 maybe also enter your N900 root password (sorry dunno PuTTY) Apr 30 00:21:23 yes it logged in Apr 30 00:21:33 cool :-) Apr 30 00:21:54 :) Apr 30 00:22:08 what's the next step? Apr 30 00:22:11 madde needs the same info - maybe less the 'root' user Apr 30 00:22:35 My wild guess - as I mentioned I never looked into madde Apr 30 00:22:46 tsk tsk tsk Apr 30 00:22:49 there goes ssh Apr 30 00:22:50 PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 Apr 30 00:22:50 mesg: ttyname: Invalid argument Apr 30 00:23:24 yes madde uses a password generator Apr 30 00:24:16 Opinions needed: should I have a mod move my thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49562&page=2 out of brainstorm and inot a different sub forum to get more participation? Or is the whole concept a bnuch of fail and I'm on my own. Apr 30 00:25:15 problem is... when i run the program in Qt it wont run on the N900 Apr 30 00:27:50 Djigorifico: what do you "run the program in Qt" Qt's a library, you can run it on your computer, you can run in QtCreator, but you can't run it in Qt Apr 30 00:29:39 asjWrk, correction, I run it in Qtcreator Apr 30 00:29:53 it takes less than 20 minutes to do a fresh install of Ubuntu, but 1 hour 15 minutes to upgrade Apr 30 00:29:53 ffs Apr 30 00:30:21 Djigorifico: ok, do you understand cross compiling? Apr 30 00:31:43 asjWrk, I dont know what that is but i have the Nokia Qt SDK installed Apr 30 00:33:02 Djigorifico: executables you compile for your desktop will not run on an ARM cpu on your phone, you must do something called cross compiling to compile a binary that will run on the phone. (and will not run on your desktop) Look up what the term means, that's a good start. Apr 30 00:34:46 yes I know what it means and i know that Nokia QT SDK cando that automatically Apr 30 00:34:50 zappa: the idea isn't that strange. Apr 30 00:37:09 isn't there a MADDE tutorial and qt-heelo_world? Apr 30 00:38:14 Might be worth the shot... Apr 30 00:38:15 ~MADDE Apr 30 00:38:33 guess not Apr 30 00:39:01 DocScrutinizer: I agree that its not a strange idea. But I think it gets the taks acompilshed much \better than vnc can. Apr 30 00:39:29 why is this so difficult man Apr 30 00:39:48 well there's a basic difference between vnc and remote X, aiui Apr 30 00:40:09 for your usecase remote X seems better siuted Apr 30 00:41:22 I got hope for making a basic app today and lost it all in one day Apr 30 00:41:23 basically i am thinking simple to use uis for n90 apps on a remote device. be it iphone or andrioid Apr 30 00:43:53 DocScrutinizer, can you show me the ssh way? Apr 30 00:44:02 Djigorifico: you should ask in now+10h Apr 30 00:44:37 pizza..brb Apr 30 00:44:42 zappa, alternative question Apr 30 00:44:45 iphone has x11? Apr 30 00:44:47 err, I can't tell you much more about ssh than what you already managed to put to work Apr 30 00:44:52 does it have xvideo? Apr 30 00:46:37 Djigorifico: maybe MohammadAG knows more about madde Apr 30 00:46:42 no idea Apr 30 00:46:45 sorry lol Apr 30 00:47:27 MohammadAG, ssh maybe? Apr 30 00:47:34 that, I know about Apr 30 00:48:33 MohammadAG, ok help a desperate guy send a hello-world app to his N900 Apr 30 00:48:43 * MohammadAG scrolls up Apr 30 00:48:44 aah Apr 30 00:49:08 Djigorifico, there are lots and lots of variables Apr 30 00:49:29 MohammadAG, from Qtcreator Apr 30 00:49:37 Djigorifico, yeah? what's the problem? Apr 30 00:49:39 I guess there's .ssh/* missing Apr 30 00:49:49 public RSA key? Apr 30 00:49:54 the key Apr 30 00:50:13 [2010-04-30 02:23:23] yes madde uses a password generator Apr 30 00:50:44 not that key Apr 30 00:50:47 the pubkey Apr 30 00:51:04 WOAH, 63 minutes to reindex my media Apr 30 00:51:07 ~nuke tracker Apr 30 00:51:09 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tracker ... B☢☢M! Apr 30 00:52:38 Djigorifico, so what's the error? Apr 30 00:52:51 MohammadAG, i followed this tutorial http://vimeo.com/9034487 Apr 30 00:53:53 MohammadAG, a simple html in qt tutorial. Works perfectly in qtcreator, but now i want to send it to my N900 Apr 30 00:54:33 gah, upgrade's breaking everything! Apr 30 00:54:40 Djigorifico, WinSCP Apr 30 00:55:20 well for windows Apr 30 00:55:24 nautilus for linux Apr 30 00:55:36 i got windows Apr 30 00:55:37 * MohammadAG needs nautilus on Maemo Apr 30 00:55:40 WinSCP then Apr 30 00:55:45 \o crashanddie Apr 30 00:55:53 o/ Apr 30 00:56:17 \o\ Apr 30 00:56:17 |o| Apr 30 00:56:23 \o/ Apr 30 00:56:28 #maemo /o/ Apr 30 00:56:30 crap Apr 30 00:56:33 xD Apr 30 00:56:46 the slash was messing with my client Apr 30 00:56:56 == O/ Unknown command Apr 30 00:57:03 /o <-- this one :P Apr 30 00:57:08 double it Apr 30 00:57:09 aye Apr 30 00:57:11 nope Apr 30 00:57:12 // should cancel one Apr 30 00:57:19 /like this Apr 30 00:57:19 == /O/ Unknown command Apr 30 00:57:26 //0/ Apr 30 00:57:32 //O/ * Apr 30 00:57:43 dude, I know what you mean Apr 30 00:57:45 it just doesn't work :) Apr 30 00:57:52 webchat.freenode.net ;) Apr 30 00:58:09 oh, I can see that :P Apr 30 00:58:14 * MohammadAG sent a CTCP Apr 30 00:58:16 MohammadAG: however, /say /o/ works Apr 30 00:58:28 MohammadAG [~MohammadA@62.219.120.20] requested CTCP VERSION from crashanddie: Apr 30 00:58:30 MohammadAG, got winSCP open Apr 30 00:58:50 * MohammadAG gets a proxy to hide that damn IP Apr 30 00:58:51 I wish the usb networking worked better on windows Apr 30 00:59:03 say, as good as how it works on osx Apr 30 00:59:03 crashanddie, I wish windows worked Apr 30 00:59:24 lol Apr 30 00:59:28 you just plug in the n900, and it goes "Hey, I detected a network interface, what IP do you want me to use? I can try to find one for you" Apr 30 00:59:36 Djigorifico, enter your N900's IP Apr 30 00:59:51 user is root right? Apr 30 01:00:02 yes Apr 30 01:00:10 did you set root's password? Apr 30 01:00:12 err Apr 30 01:00:17 user != root Apr 30 01:00:25 yes Apr 30 01:00:27 oh, I think I got what he meant Apr 30 01:00:37 ok i'm in!! Apr 30 01:00:41 MohammadAG: stfu, you confused twig Apr 30 01:00:59 wow, that was a powerful insult! Apr 30 01:01:06 crashanddie, tsk tsk tsk, never expected that from you Apr 30 01:01:16 * MohammadAG hits crashanddie in the face Apr 30 01:01:17 :P Apr 30 01:01:21 sorry bru, didn't mean to offend you Apr 30 01:01:33 lmao no offense taken Apr 30 01:01:34 test;/say test Apr 30 01:01:37 "that's what she said" Apr 30 01:01:52 crashanddie, still, user != root :) Apr 30 01:02:00 asjWrk: that was a pretty poor TSWW Apr 30 01:02:02 err, TWSS Apr 30 01:02:03 MohammadAG, i'm in what's the next step? Apr 30 01:02:11 copy the file to where you want Apr 30 01:02:14 Djigorifico: take the gold and run Apr 30 01:02:30 crashanddie, LOL Apr 30 01:02:37 Djigorifico: they're on to you, quick, nurofen zavance! Apr 30 01:03:00 * MohammadAG calls the cops Apr 30 01:03:39 I got in late this morning Apr 30 01:03:50 apparently they pranked some guy early around 8 Apr 30 01:04:14 a few guys around the building were recruited for their "physical toughness" (for lack of better description) Apr 30 01:04:16 MohammadAG, copied it Apr 30 01:04:20 given white coats, and sent to one guy's cubicle Apr 30 01:04:24 crashanddie: :( Apr 30 01:04:36 asjWrk, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51448 tis all yours Apr 30 01:05:10 (thought you liked TWSS jokes - but you'll get an infraction sooner or later) Apr 30 01:05:29 MohammadAG, is that all i have to do? Apr 30 01:05:54 Djigorifico: chmod a+x your-file Apr 30 01:05:54 Djigorifico, yes, SCP is simple (and very CPU intensive) Apr 30 01:05:59 oh that too Apr 30 01:06:30 Djigorifico, just a note, you can't run it off MyDoc Apr 30 01:06:30 also, don't copy it on the 32gb partition Apr 30 01:06:30 s Apr 30 01:06:34 ^ Apr 30 01:06:36 :) Apr 30 01:06:53 as noexec is set on it, so chmod +x file doesn't return any error, but doesn't change anything Apr 30 01:06:54 Djigorifico, as well as the MMC, if it's VFAT Apr 30 01:07:10 you should copy it to /home/user/your-file Apr 30 01:07:30 I just dump my test files in / Apr 30 01:07:32 :P Apr 30 01:08:00 wait a minute Apr 30 01:08:16 MohammadAG: heh Apr 30 01:08:21 what's the /cdrom for? Apr 30 01:08:33 dadaism Apr 30 01:09:01 MohammadAG, i just put it where i see .gnome and .pulse Apr 30 01:09:10 /home/user then Apr 30 01:09:21 Djigorifico: chmod a+x your-file Apr 30 01:09:41 how do you do that? Apr 30 01:09:43 /cdrom is to enable reading of cdroms, by placing the camera pointing at them on a special stand. Apr 30 01:09:53 I Apr 30 01:10:08 /chmod a+x filename Apr 30 01:10:24 SpeedEvil, omg, *fires up the camera* Apr 30 01:10:28 do I just hit record? Apr 30 01:11:10 MohammadAG, so i have to rename it? Apr 30 01:11:17 nope Apr 30 01:11:28 just replace filename with your file's name Apr 30 01:11:40 Djigorifico: N900 x terminal -> root; chmod a+x ~user/myFile Apr 30 01:11:55 DocScrutinizer, he can do it in WinSCP too Apr 30 01:12:04 ooohh NOW I GET IT Apr 30 01:12:12 amAAAAzing Apr 30 01:12:17 remember i'm just a beginner Apr 30 01:12:18 rofl Apr 30 01:12:41 is the back one for DVDs and the front one for CDs? Apr 30 01:13:24 MohammadAG, so how do i do it in winscp? Apr 30 01:13:35 Djigorifico, there's a terminal icon in the top row icons Apr 30 01:13:51 Djigorifico, give me a min, rebooting into 10.04, if Grub didn't get f'd Apr 30 01:14:09 ok Apr 30 01:15:53 just checked menu.lst, seems ok Apr 30 01:15:56 brb Apr 30 01:16:34 DocScrutinizer, so i did the chmod a+x Apr 30 01:17:40 what's next? Apr 30 01:17:49 run the app Apr 30 01:18:23 where do i find it? Apr 30 01:19:01 i guess i put the wrong files.. Apr 30 01:19:35 cd into /home/user and ./filename to run it Apr 30 01:20:00 su - user Apr 30 01:21:05 ./myFile Apr 30 01:21:20 enjoy errors Apr 30 01:21:24 exit Apr 30 01:24:01 i think i missed a step Apr 30 01:24:25 before i put the file on the device Apr 30 01:24:26 the crosscompiling Apr 30 01:24:31 YEESS! Apr 30 01:24:31 enjoy errors lol Apr 30 01:25:24 the crosscompiling is the crucial step which no one wants to teach me Apr 30 01:26:37 * crashanddie fetches a shotgun Apr 30 01:26:48 it's what MADDE is all about Apr 30 01:26:58 * MohammadAG recoils crashanddie's shotgun Apr 30 01:27:06 * crashanddie kicks down the door that leads to tmo, starts shooting at every little whining cunt on there Apr 30 01:27:30 * MohammadAG shoots at Javelin at tmo Apr 30 01:27:35 crashanddie, hope you brought a lot of ammo. Apr 30 01:27:47 GAN900: impulse 101 Apr 30 01:28:06 * ds3 sees the bullets bending around and screwing in disgust Apr 30 01:28:17 you're early with your daily tmo bashing Apr 30 01:28:36 i still don't get this Apr 30 01:28:36 I don't bash it daily Apr 30 01:28:38 Haven't bashed it in nearly a week Apr 30 01:29:11 lol, ok you bashed particular threads Apr 30 01:29:21 Djigorifico: what are you trying to achieve Apr 30 01:29:32 hello world Apr 30 01:29:33 DocScrutinizer: RESPECT MA OTORETA! Apr 30 01:30:34 crashanddie, to put a helloworld app on my n900 Apr 30 01:30:43 i still have to do the cross compiling Apr 30 01:30:44 ok, what language? Apr 30 01:30:45 what OS? Apr 30 01:30:53 windows Apr 30 01:30:57 qt madde on win Apr 30 01:30:58 cross compiling is done in the SDK Apr 30 01:31:21 language???? Apr 30 01:31:25 it's supposed to Apr 30 01:31:27 qt? Apr 30 01:31:34 qt Apr 30 01:31:35 QT isn't a language for fuck's sake Apr 30 01:31:36 so C++? Apr 30 01:31:44 english Apr 30 01:31:55 python? C? C++? Apr 30 01:31:56 java? Apr 30 01:32:01 perl? Apr 30 01:32:06 ruby? Apr 30 01:32:10 fortran? Apr 30 01:32:10 html C hybrid i guess Apr 30 01:32:11 generic qt-creator Apr 30 01:32:22 * crashanddie facepalms Apr 30 01:32:41 http://vimeo.com/9034487 <------ this Apr 30 01:32:53 so prolly C++ Apr 30 01:33:08 if anything at all Apr 30 01:33:31 some people think Qt is a language Apr 30 01:34:29 btw, that's going straight to bash.org Apr 30 01:35:02 DocScrutinizer: is PR1.2 out yet? Apr 30 01:35:20 GAN900: is PR1.2 out yet? Apr 30 01:35:30 yes Apr 30 01:35:35 * DocScrutinizer kicks crashanddie Apr 30 01:35:36 I'm installing it right now Apr 30 01:35:49 DocScrutinizer, if only you read Talk everyday. Apr 30 01:36:02 Then you, too, could bash it everyday. Apr 30 01:36:03 so long, thanks for all the fish. Apr 30 01:36:18 I *never* read tmo Apr 30 01:36:24 crashanddie, never Apr 30 01:36:29 except that OTG thread :P Apr 30 01:36:32 DocScrutinizer, 'xactly Apr 30 01:37:02 There's, at this very moment, maybe a handful of good threads Apr 30 01:37:11 all the rest should be locked and sent into the archives Apr 30 01:37:28 if only they had a big red light to spot them Apr 30 01:37:34 crashanddie, C++ Apr 30 01:38:16 It's interesting how much the useful traffic has dropped since MeeGo hit. Apr 30 01:38:33 DocScrutinizer, http://mwkn.net Apr 30 01:39:22 Djigorifico: OK. I have never used MADDE, so I would recommend that you get a Linux virtual machine (VMWare Player with Ubuntu 9.x) and install the Maemo SDK on there Apr 30 01:39:32 Djigorifico: that is the most robust and proven solution at this point Apr 30 01:39:54 GAN900: hmm? Think I occasionally lok at that blog Apr 30 01:39:54 got it Apr 30 01:39:54 I like how's it's effectively "Two of your council persons make semi-dubtle digs against Nokia while summarizing Maemo news" Apr 30 01:39:59 look Apr 30 01:40:07 DocScrutinizer: not a blog Apr 30 01:40:11 DocScrutinizer, just occasionally? :( Apr 30 01:40:23 s/dubtle/subtle/ Apr 30 01:40:29 wait wait Apr 30 01:40:42 maemo sdk or ubuntu? Apr 30 01:40:42 GAN900: seriously? That's what they say about MWKN? Apr 30 01:41:17 Djigorifico: ubuntu is a linux distribution, based on Debian. Maemo SDK requires a debian-based Linux distribution in order to function properly Apr 30 01:41:30 crashanddie, who says? Apr 30 01:41:34 I said that. Apr 30 01:41:36 Just now. Apr 30 01:41:53 GAN900: why the quotes then? Apr 30 01:42:15 crashanddie, i got the ubuntu on Virtualbox Apr 30 01:42:29 crashanddie, style thing? Apr 30 01:42:36 k Apr 30 01:42:40 Djigorifico, go onto the qt site and follow the installation guides and make sure you have the latest qt creator sdk which was announced just this week to have inbuilt support - and not by following a 3 month old video Apr 30 01:44:04 lcuk: seriously, your lack of a decent sleeping pattern is somewhat inspiring, but really just insane. Apr 30 01:44:19 lcuk, on ubuntu or windows? Apr 30 01:44:29 i agree Apr 30 01:44:47 Djigorifico, i dunno, go find out and follow the qt guides Apr 30 01:45:24 GAN900: :-P Apr 30 01:46:00 crashanddie, jacob has spent most of the evening doubled over yowling in pain :( i couldnt sleep even if i wanted to hes been sat with me Apr 30 01:46:05 GAN900: well, you read my take on MWKN, I think it's a shame, but I think we may have rushed the first releases Apr 30 01:46:22 lcuk: damn, what's up with the little man? Apr 30 01:46:32 wind Apr 30 01:46:34 why is everyone sending me to places but i never get stuff done? Apr 30 01:46:35 lots of wind Apr 30 01:46:39 crashanddie, not sure I get that. What takes? Apr 30 01:46:54 Djigorifico, inbuilt support is essentially brand new Apr 30 01:46:55 GAN900: my explanation on the MWKN ML Apr 30 01:47:09 Djigorifico: because you should stop asking and start searching/finding? Apr 30 01:47:26 crashanddie, ah Apr 30 01:47:31 working from windows to develop qt apps (MADDE) is new also, it may have growling bears Apr 30 01:47:46 I wouldn't trust it Apr 30 01:47:47 * DocScrutinizer remembers attracting massive fire when rising identical concerns at #meego -- "wait until initial release, then apply patches. You may even try to cancel subsystems in favour of a better architecture. But only after the wrong thing got published" Apr 30 01:47:53 its on windows - up until this point to develop maemo you basically had to be running linux Apr 30 01:47:54 i thought this channel was for help Apr 30 01:48:12 and what have they spent the last 5 hours trying to do? Apr 30 01:48:13 Djigorifico: it is help, not spoonfeeding though Apr 30 01:48:35 Djigorifico: so helping you setup a way to send files to your N900 wasn't help? Apr 30 01:49:09 Djigorifico: explaining to you how you need specific flags on files before you can execute them, explaining that you should avoid the common pitfall of putting that file on the 32gb partition wasn't help? Apr 30 01:49:19 i dunno.. Apr 30 01:49:26 Djigorifico: your lack of understanding, and your lack of knowing how to ask questions isn't our fault Apr 30 01:49:44 Djigorifico, we *want* you to win - i can give you a single file now that runs pyqt that you can use your winscp to edit and run software immediately on your n900 Apr 30 01:50:22 and replying "HTML C Hybrid" when being asked what question just tells me you need to go back to reading a bunch of material before we even try to help you, for we will make assumptions about your knowledge that will a/ confuse you, b/ disappoint you, c/ infurriate you. Apr 30 01:50:27 but i cant configure qt creator and your network to make some random compiled code run for you Apr 30 01:50:47 Apr 30 01:51:33 hmm maybe i know too little to be in this channel Apr 30 01:51:38 If you want to go the proven way, the one I was talking about, one google gave me this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution Apr 30 01:52:08 another google, about madde and windows, gave me this http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/QtCreator_integration_for_windows Apr 30 01:53:08 And then, after lcuk mentionned the new release, I googled a bit, found Nokia's press release, and found two links in it Apr 30 01:53:14 pointing to http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ and http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools Apr 30 01:54:00 Hope this helps, Apr 30 01:54:00 meh, vim ftw :) Apr 30 01:54:40 crashanddie: I'm amazed of your patience today :-P Seems tmo bashing helps a lot to keep your mood up Apr 30 01:54:54 DocScrutinizer: It's my last day at work \o/ Apr 30 01:55:20 DocScrutinizer: I'm going home tomorrow \o/ \o/ \o/ Apr 30 01:55:27 i never get those when i google Apr 30 01:55:37 Djigorifico: use specific keywords Apr 30 01:56:39 but i always get those linux stuff that i cant work with Apr 30 01:57:18 Djigorifico: for those, I googled "maemo qt creator windows" (1st hit), or "maemo sdk installation" (3rd hit), or "nokia qt mobile" (4th hit) Apr 30 01:57:52 and btw maemo *is*lnux Apr 30 01:58:39 After a while you just start recognising patterns in the URLs. If it's just "qt.nokia.com", you know it's going to be advertising and marketing crap. However if it's "forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/...", well, you can safely assume you're going in the right direction Apr 30 01:58:51 DocScrutinizer, I know that but i have windows running on my pc Apr 30 01:59:11 so if you feel venturous you may try to use windows for developer platform. But you inevitably have to cope with linux target platform Apr 30 01:59:42 and all the knowledge needed is about maemo aka linux Apr 30 02:00:14 * crashanddie switches to company VPN, might get disconnected Apr 30 02:00:16 how long have you guys been working with linux? Apr 30 02:00:29 16 years Apr 30 02:00:35 15 years, going 16 Apr 30 02:00:40 12 years? nah 15 prolly Apr 30 02:00:42 as old as I am then :P Apr 30 02:01:05 MohammadAG: Children are meant to be seen, not heard. ;) Apr 30 02:01:21 s/seen/beaten/ Apr 30 02:01:41 * MohammadAG shoots crashanddie Apr 30 02:02:13 hmmm Apr 30 02:02:22 i'm 20 years old Apr 30 02:02:22 2005. :P Apr 30 02:02:53 though, I'm fairly certain you don't need 15 years experiance with linux to write for maemo Apr 30 02:03:15 nor 15 years experience either. Apr 30 02:03:29 but I had a gentle start on linux, coming from AmigaOS Apr 30 02:03:36 and NeXT Apr 30 02:03:40 DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry Apr 30 02:04:35 i had ubuntu a year ago..didnt like it Apr 30 02:05:20 Night #maemo o/ Apr 30 02:05:33 ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/424/ Apr 30 02:05:52 nite moh Apr 30 02:05:57 tzz Apr 30 02:06:48 but ok guys ill read the qt tutorials tomorrow and ill get back with you Apr 30 02:07:14 yw Apr 30 02:16:33 other than the SU-8W are there any other external keyboards that work with the n900? Apr 30 02:19:06 I'm just saying, calling the n900 a portable computer is rather silly if a keyboard meant for 10 fingers cannot be used with it, imo Apr 30 02:19:28 who said a computer required a keyboard? Apr 30 02:19:32 exactly Apr 30 02:20:10 yigal: anyway all reports about working external kbds highly appreciated Apr 30 02:20:38 Apple BT keyboard doesn't work Apr 30 02:21:04 asjWrk: a computer doesn't require a keyboard. I require a keyboard to work comfortably with a computer Apr 30 02:21:19 lol Apr 30 02:21:45 yigal: nah, you do it every day Apr 30 02:22:31 wait until some crack manages to enable hostmode in friggin musb_hdrc kernel driver. Then simply hook up arbitrary USB-kbd Apr 30 02:22:58 yes, that is the only thing that is holding me back from an n900 purchase Apr 30 02:23:20 * asjWrk boggles Apr 30 02:25:38 my fingers are perhaps a bit faster than the average but they aren't fast enough to use a thumb keyboard to program on. Apr 30 02:26:14 yello Apr 30 02:26:22 green Apr 30 02:26:44 blue Apr 30 02:26:46 indigo Apr 30 02:26:47 I've seen people twittering from congresses faster than the speakers talked - right GAN900 ? Apr 30 02:26:47 violet Apr 30 02:27:06 Hell yes. Apr 30 02:27:24 DocScrutinizer: it just seem ergonomically reasonable to require the thumbs to do all the work Apr 30 02:27:37 s/+un/reasonable Apr 30 02:28:35 yigal: s/reas/unreas/ Apr 30 02:28:47 yigal: then get a netbook or laptop Apr 30 02:28:59 yigal: don't tell me you didn't know of the form factor when you bought it Apr 30 02:29:22 as the magic box with inside twice the outside isn't invented yet Apr 30 02:29:41 Actually, it already has, but we're just not aware of it Apr 30 02:30:04 crashanddie: I haven't bought it, I'm waiting to buy it when an external keyboard is better supported Apr 30 02:30:20 Proof, The 10th Doctor being nicknamed "David Ten-inch", even though he always wears pretty tight trousers Apr 30 02:30:22 fair enough Apr 30 02:30:50 though I'm uncertain as to why I should respond to you, as you obviously aren't reading what I write Apr 30 02:31:24 oooh Apr 30 02:31:31 I'm getting emotional Apr 30 02:32:19 yigal: any particular reason you're here then? Apr 30 02:32:30 I'm feeling bored, which usually is the first tstae of feeling tired Apr 30 02:32:45 yigal: I'm afraid only very little BT keyboards are supported. You've asked a question, we've tried to answer to the best of our knowledge Apr 30 02:33:07 crashanddie: yes, to gain an idea of the current state of the support on the n900 for an external keyboard Apr 30 02:33:26 well, there's the Nokia one Apr 30 02:33:31 USB keyboards are out of the question Apr 30 02:33:38 after reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33397&highlight=keyboard I got an idea Apr 30 02:33:40 why?? Apr 30 02:33:52 DocScrutinizer: no support for host Apr 30 02:33:56 and sadly people haven't been buying keyboards prior to knowing they are compatible, so everyone sticks to the nokia Apr 30 02:34:03 not YET Apr 30 02:34:26 so when 1.2 is out I'll get an n900 :D, rofl Apr 30 02:34:33 so. anybody find amber lamps yet? Apr 30 02:34:35 perhaps Apr 30 02:34:44 yeah yeah, but that's like saying: "I can't fly my car to Europe" "Why?" "Because flying cars don't exist" "NOT YET!!" Apr 30 02:34:50 yigal ... get it now ;) Apr 30 02:34:59 n900 is the best damn phone i have ever had Apr 30 02:35:19 the update is free :-P haha Apr 30 02:35:27 ever had a saint phone? Apr 30 02:35:30 crashanddie: flying cars exist. So does hostmode Apr 30 02:35:43 DocScrutinizer: yeah. didn't they make an actual flying car? Apr 30 02:35:50 it was a fixed wing but it works :) Apr 30 02:36:01 bollocks Apr 30 02:36:16 flying cars need neutron shift-based technology Apr 30 02:36:21 until we have that, no flying cars Apr 30 02:36:28 haha Apr 30 02:36:32 why not, it depends on the definition of a car Apr 30 02:36:49 hostmode just needs a driver, really simple huh? Apr 30 02:36:56 well. i suppose the flying car that was made is more like a car/airplane hybrid Apr 30 02:37:02 http://www.terrafugia.com/ Apr 30 02:37:08 next you're going to tell me that "flying cars are just waiting for a driver" Apr 30 02:37:13 comparing to neutron-shift Apr 30 02:37:17 wait, that sounds wrong Apr 30 02:37:30 DocScrutinizer: what about neutron-shift? Apr 30 02:37:57 yigal: yeah. that's hte one i remmeber Apr 30 02:37:57 heh Apr 30 02:38:08 they need to find a better place to put those wings ;) Apr 30 02:38:24 "More than a decade ago Jean-Marc Levy-Leblond and Daniel Greenberger had independently predicted that a neutron beam passing through a slit would experience a phase shift in its direction of motion." Even though I have read this over and over, I still believe this is porn disguised as geek talk. Apr 30 02:38:28 you would think they'd havce figured out a way to fold them flush onto the hood of the car Apr 30 02:39:22 anyways dudes must be off, I have my netbook and G1 for now hopefully external keyboard support, by some means, will be implemented, as soon as it is I'll get me the n900 Apr 30 02:40:29 crashanddie: it was brought up in my 1st year graduate qm class I took last semester, oh wait that makes me a geek, damn Apr 30 02:40:54 don't worry Apr 30 02:40:55 nope Apr 30 02:40:59 * DocScrutinizer 's going to kill bme now, and then Mentor for the abysmal musb driver crap Apr 30 02:41:00 that just makes you a nerd :P Apr 30 02:41:43 ok ty crashanddie that makes me feel better Apr 30 02:41:57 I try Apr 30 02:42:05 laters Apr 30 02:42:12 i think that thing is more of an airplane :) Apr 30 02:42:20 /mode +q #maemo * Apr 30 02:42:43 27' wingspan is too wide to simply cut people off and take off into the sky Apr 30 02:43:18 although i'd love to try it out.. just kind of take off in the middle of chicago :) that would be a sight to see but i'm sure would be kind of difficult with the buildings and bridges and wires etc Apr 30 02:43:42 A british guy built a trike with street aproval, with a prop and a paraglide Apr 30 02:44:25 did you guys read about the guy who got lost on the thames? Apr 30 02:44:36 I seem to remember a mini also Apr 30 02:44:41 same concept Apr 30 02:45:02 "A man who thought he was sailing along the coast of southern England had to be rescued by emergency services after his motor boat ran out of fuel while repeatedly circling a small island in the River Thames estuary." Apr 30 02:45:13 DocScrutinizer: i wonder if you can extend/retract the wings on the move Apr 30 02:45:17 now that would be worth it :) Apr 30 02:45:38 of the paraglide? Apr 30 02:47:55 http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19373 Apr 30 02:49:50 no Apr 30 02:49:53 the tranisition Apr 30 02:49:57 :) Apr 30 02:50:02 i'd buy one if it could do it on the move Apr 30 02:50:17 i could see myself taking off whil driving down the highway if nobody is around Apr 30 02:50:25 especially if it lets me get away with going 115mph Apr 30 02:52:46 and if 115mph is what they are rated at now i'm sure some plans to make them faster are in the works Apr 30 02:52:51 anyways. good night. sleepy. Apr 30 02:53:09 n8-00 Apr 30 02:53:40 or Apr 30 02:53:42 RX71 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 30 02:59:57 2010