**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 03 02:59:56 2010
May 03 03:00:03 <raster> its rather fat anc bulky
May 03 03:00:05 <raster> and
May 03 03:00:15 <Macer> raster: i think i would consider maemo a debian based linux distro
May 03 03:00:29 <Macer> android doesn't have much as far as gnu apps .. if any at all. the term is basically useless
May 03 03:00:38 <raster> its sluggish - partly due to the omap3 these days being.. well.. middle-ground soc.. and the compositing they have running hurts performance a fair bit the way its done
May 03 03:00:43 <Macer> well. it serves a purpose every now and then
May 03 03:00:49 <raster> android blows imho :)
May 03 03:01:02 <Macer> raster: yeah. i don't like it either
May 03 03:01:24 <raster> but beyond runing a linux properly on the n900 - its a mediocre device.
May 03 03:01:24 <Macer> cyanogen made my G1 bearable
May 03 03:01:24 <Termana> But you do like its portrait virtual keyboard
May 03 03:01:34 <DocScrutinizer> android blows chunks
May 03 03:01:41 <Macer> Termana: yes
May 03 03:01:46 <Macer> i hated the underlying problems
May 03 03:01:51 <Macer> like no valid jabber client
May 03 03:02:02 <Macer> tons of crashes with apps
May 03 03:02:16 <Termana> Macer - I guess you never entertained the idea of chucking Debian onto your G1? :P You could access it natively or via chroot
May 03 03:02:17 <Macer> no real term based apps
May 03 03:02:21 <Macer> i did
May 03 03:02:23 <Macer> it sucked
May 03 03:02:24 <Macer> :)
May 03 03:02:44 <Macer> natively?
May 03 03:02:57 <Termana> Macer, mmm you can boot straight into Debian without Android
May 03 03:02:57 <Macer> that i didn't do. the only one i saw was a chroot to an image file similar to easydeb
May 03 03:03:13 <Macer> Termana: too bad mer didn't get far enough to be run on it :)
May 03 03:03:20 <Macer> who knows tho. maybe meego will have portrait mode on the n900
May 03 03:03:25 <Macer> that would be interesting to see
May 03 03:04:18 <Termana> I'll be getting an Nexus One and porting MeeGo over to it - I will be the saviour of all Nexus One users
May 03 03:04:28 <DocScrutinizer> fsck portrait mode - I heard only Americans need it as they have just one hand to hold it, other hand busy... :-P
May 03 03:04:37 <Macer> if ican get cups to work in maemo5 then i'm a pretty happy camper.. right now there are only 3 things that i need on my n900... 1. non-hackish bt keyboard support .. 2. cups ...3. portrait mode for certain things
May 03 03:04:39 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, lol
May 03 03:04:58 <Macer> at least a portrait mode sleeping screen that lets you look at an im or txt in portrait mode in quick glancing when you yank it out your pocket
May 03 03:06:04 <Macer> screw it.. make it turn the screen on and show the im or txt by shaking it or something haha
May 03 03:06:07 <Macer> like a wiimote
May 03 03:14:24 <GAN900> Termana, I will kiss your feet.
May 03 03:14:41 <GAN900> Termana, I'd love to make that stupid thing useful.
May 03 03:15:57 * DocScrutinizer heard nexus one is the best ignition counter for explosive mail to google
May 03 03:19:58 * ShadowJK doubts we'll ever ever see a Nokia device with a soc that isn't  "middle-ground"
May 03 03:20:01 <GAN900> Love it
May 03 03:22:29 <Termana> GAN900, hehe :P you got yours at the LFCS didn't you?
May 03 03:23:19 <Termana> I spotted a few Maemo/MeeGo people in the crowd while watching the videos
May 03 03:23:23 <GAN900> Yeah
May 03 03:23:33 <GAN900> Hate it
May 03 03:25:40 <Termana> GAN900, you don't even like it a TINY bit? :P
May 03 03:27:05 <GAN900> Nope
May 03 03:27:16 <GAN900> Well, it's thin, I guess
May 03 03:27:41 <GAN900> Otherwise I don't get what people see in it.
May 03 03:28:41 <wiretapped> i broke my ability to receive SMS
May 03 03:28:58 <wiretapped> i've been periodically running a script i wrote to purge alerts I get from nagios
May 03 03:29:12 <wiretapped> delete from Event where group_id like '3___'
May 03 03:29:19 <wiretapped> and the GroupCache
May 03 03:29:25 <wiretapped> and then killing some things that are reading it
May 03 03:29:38 <wiretapped> in retrospect i should've been sending dbus messages telling them to update i guess
May 03 03:29:43 <Termana> GAN900, yeah, but those same people would probably say the same thing about the n900 so - :P
May 03 03:29:54 <wiretapped> anyway it worked for a while, then started breaking things for a bit but they would work after killing some more
May 03 03:30:20 <wiretapped> but now... even after moving aside my .rtcomm-eventlogger directory and getting a fresh db... and rebooting...
May 03 03:30:24 <wiretapped> i cannot receive SMS.
May 03 03:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> gnhnhn
May 03 03:31:59 <Termana> GAN900, anyway, i'll keep you updated with any progress I make on getting MeeGo onto the Nexus One (when I get mine)
May 03 03:32:13 <DocScrutinizer> you checked your SIM and the number of free SMS storage on there?
May 03 03:32:25 <wiretapped> can i get a "Cool Story Bro" ? anyone else ever mess with the rtcomm eventlogger?
May 03 03:32:48 <ShadowJK> cool story bro
May 03 03:32:49 <wiretapped> Termana: w00t i wish you great success :)
May 03 03:33:02 <luke-jr> Termana: hey!
May 03 03:33:36 <Termana> wiretapped, thanks :P
May 03 03:33:41 <luke-jr> Termana: where's your git tree? :o
May 03 03:33:41 <Termana> luke-jr, hello :)
May 03 03:33:52 <Termana> luke-jr, for n810?
May 03 03:33:58 <luke-jr> yeah
May 03 03:34:27 <Termana> luke-jr, http://github.com/Termana/nokia-n810-kernel - it only contains a patch for .33.1
May 03 03:34:28 <GAN900> wiretapped, sorry we didn't get together in SF
May 03 03:34:42 * DocScrutinizer shrugs and focuses on other things
May 03 03:34:50 <GAN900> bergie went and got me drunk on soju. <_<
May 03 03:34:51 <wiretapped> GAN900: enjoy your stay here?
May 03 03:34:57 <GAN900> Yeah
May 03 03:34:59 <Termana> I don't have enough bandwidth to be uploading the whole trees so I just upload patches :P
May 03 03:35:06 <GAN900> You guys should've snuck in. :P
May 03 03:35:08 <luke-jr> Termana: wtf? :(
May 03 03:35:30 <luke-jr> Termana: you should be able to branch on gitorious and only upload the changesets you added...
May 03 03:36:57 <Termana> luke-jr, hmm, I'll have to look into that. But I think that requires a full git pull anyway, which has more data to download than just patching my trees to get them up to date :P
May 03 03:37:11 <luke-jr> Termana: -.-
May 03 03:37:29 <Termana> luke-jr, you'll get over it, I'm sure you know how to use a patch file anyway :P
May 03 03:38:24 <luke-jr> one-big-diff means to make any sane use of it I'd have to comphrehend it, split it into multiple changesets, apply and commit each one with a comment on what it does, etc...
May 03 03:39:19 <luke-jr> Termana: try: git clone --depth 1 ...
May 03 03:39:34 <luke-jr> shouldn't need to download the full history that way
May 03 03:39:56 <luke-jr> if you're based on my tree, it's git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/linux-omap/n8x0.git
May 03 03:40:11 <luke-jr> if based on vanilla -omap, git://gitorious.org/linux-omap/mainline.git
May 03 04:02:56 <Termana> luke-jr, Its not against either. Its against mainline. Plus, I never used git for it, so all I have is one big patch anyway.
May 03 04:06:24 <luke-jr> Termana: -.-
May 03 04:06:30 <luke-jr> so it's worthless :(
May 03 04:13:59 <Termana> luke-jr, well, I think thats a prick of a way to say it. I don't think its worthless. It has allowed everyone to upgrade their kernels if they want, and it has helped the n8x0 MeeGo Adaptation (since MeeGo requires a newer kernel (i'm running MeeGo in chroot now as well :P))
May 03 04:14:36 <Termana> Just because you can't put it in a git tree with the whole history of it, doesn't make it worthless.
May 03 04:25:37 <Dima202> Does anyone know of a Audacious port
May 03 04:35:48 <Macer> haha. omg. ever see the movie last dragon? where random people are kung fu fighting around the neighborhood?
May 03 04:36:06 <Macer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoDG3k5cPZw
May 03 04:36:10 <Macer> that stuff used to happen for real!
May 03 04:36:20 <Macer> :) have to love zoutube
May 03 04:55:17 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; pong
May 03 05:14:07 <shinkamui> wow
May 03 05:14:17 <shinkamui> after that reflash, im STILL installing from backup
May 03 05:14:24 <shinkamui> I will never make that mistake again
May 03 05:14:32 <shinkamui> I don't remember apt being this slow
May 03 05:15:01 <shinkamui> is the app manager just an apt frontend?  or does it have its own additional overhead
May 03 05:16:15 <Trizt> I think it's just a front end which checks quite frequently if there have been updates if you do a one package at the time install
May 03 05:17:36 <shinkamui> well, the backup restore is doing all of them one at a time, but at least queued
May 03 05:17:52 <shinkamui> appmanager wouldn't be so bad for daily use if it let you queue up downloads
May 03 05:18:01 <shinkamui> that should have been a pr 1.2 feature :)
May 03 05:18:19 <Surfa> how much stuff doyou need to install at once with app manager?
May 03 05:18:37 <shinkamui> there are times when 3 or 4 new apps are added that I want to install
May 03 05:19:04 <shinkamui> not a huge deal, but I have to babysit the device and wait for the catalog to be refreshed after each install
May 03 05:19:10 * Trizt agrees with shinkamui 
May 03 05:19:13 <shinkamui> can be quite annoying installing over 3g
May 03 05:19:44 <shinkamui> and at work, im stuck on edge, so I don't bother trying then
May 03 05:20:04 <Trizt> that can explain the slowness
May 03 05:20:18 <shinkamui> well, im at home now on wifi trizt
May 03 05:20:26 <shinkamui> 26mbit cable
May 03 05:20:36 <shinkamui> and 2.6gigs has been installing for 2 hours
May 03 05:21:25 <shinkamui> I know the device probably can't handle the full bandwidth, but I've installed stuff using the text apt interface and its just muuch faster
May 03 05:21:32 <Trizt> :) oh, I think that the "file system lagness" thats the problem, it's damn slow to write a lot of data on the n900
May 03 05:21:33 <shinkamui> whenever I can, I use the console to install new things
May 03 05:22:05 <shinkamui> well, enough griping, Im still really happy with the N900 overall, I guess everything can't be perfect
May 03 05:22:35 <Surfa> there is no such thing as perfect
May 03 05:23:29 <trumee> why is the disk IO slow on n900?
May 03 05:24:09 <trumee> is it slow storage or slow chipset?
May 03 05:24:28 <Surfa> typical thing with mobile devices
May 03 05:24:41 <Surfa> it's just damn slow to write anything to phone memory
May 03 05:25:06 <trumee> by memory you mean emmc?
May 03 05:25:23 <Surfa> whatever it is :)
May 03 05:25:54 <Tuukka> how come talk is down again...
May 03 05:25:56 <Surfa> all the options are too slow currently
May 03 05:26:17 <Trizt> shinkamui; you can try: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
May 03 05:26:25 <Trizt> could help a little bit
May 03 05:26:37 <Surfa> ..even that the situation is much better already than it was couple of years ago
May 03 05:28:19 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: ping
May 03 05:28:29 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: so i've got a new pair ready
May 03 05:30:25 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; okey, last time I got the 1.8 again
May 03 05:30:40 <Trizt> so you say I will get the 0.1-7 now?
May 03 05:30:45 <timeless_mbp> nope
May 03 05:30:54 <timeless_mbp> but you should end up w/ translations-pr11-enus1
May 03 05:31:13 <timeless_mbp> i've moved all the strings into a dependent package
May 03 05:31:26 <timeless_mbp> and it's supposed to pull in the proper dependency
May 03 05:31:38 <Trizt> okey, ltest try
May 03 05:31:59 <timeless_mbp> see privmsg for note about repo path
May 03 05:32:25 <Trizt> will do tha
May 03 05:33:06 <shinkamui> finally!
May 03 05:33:14 <shinkamui> 154 apps successfully installed
May 03 05:33:37 <shinkamui> a few failed due to dependencies
May 03 05:33:44 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; it offers me 0.1-8, thats correct?
May 03 05:33:52 <timeless_mbp> yep
May 03 05:34:02 <timeless_mbp> what matters is what packages it pulls in
May 03 05:34:33 <Trizt> it says also "cannot update"
May 03 05:36:42 <timeless_mbp> well um, that's unhappy
May 03 05:36:47 <timeless_mbp> does the log explain why?
May 03 05:37:40 <Trizt> that I lack the hildon1 or what it's called
May 03 05:37:58 <timeless_mbp> oh brother
May 03 05:38:25 <Trizt> I think your | didn't work as expected
May 03 05:40:26 <timeless_mbp> it's possible that i screwed up on the package names :)
May 03 05:40:54 <timeless_mbp> sadly, the packages seem to work fine here
May 03 05:41:10 <timeless_mbp> at least 'details' tells me it's offering pr12
May 03 05:41:42 <Trizt> The only think in details is that I don't have >= 2.2.10
May 03 05:42:57 <Trizt> I have to rush, won't be able to test until back home after work :( wifi suxx at work
May 03 05:47:21 <pupnik_> brain party is a well made game ... kudos to the porter too
May 03 05:50:11 * RST38h yawns
May 03 05:50:38 <RST38h> Sooo... Is leaked PR1.2 disappointing people already? =)
May 03 05:53:25 <dotblank> im just going to wait for the actually release
May 03 05:53:39 <dotblank> isnt that leaked release old by like a month?
May 03 05:55:38 <timeless_mbp> RST38h: leaked?
May 03 05:58:13 <RST38h> dotblank: well, the cutoff date for PR1.2 fixes may be even earlier than that, so who knows
May 03 05:59:00 <dotblank> When is the actually release date for pr 1.2
May 03 05:59:10 <RST38h> Shit, I can apt-get install in the diablo rootstrap, but in the fremantle rootstrap, dpkg coredumps.
May 03 05:59:10 <pupnik_> not published
May 03 05:59:11 <sulx> soonish
May 03 05:59:24 <RST38h> dotblank: once pigs fly
May 03 05:59:26 <dotblank> I saw the changelog and it does fix MANY of the problems I have
May 03 05:59:55 <RST38h> And the worst part, I have no idea how to debug the crash =(
May 03 06:01:30 <timeless_mbp> dotblank: sometime before the release after pr1.2
May 03 06:01:32 <timeless_mbp> we hope
May 03 06:08:16 <RST38h> Shit, if only I had GDB installed inside the rootstrap...
May 03 06:08:57 <TigerTael> Ahahahahaha!
May 03 06:12:44 <mece> It's not just you!  http://talk.maemo.org  looks down from here.
May 03 06:14:42 <swc|666> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
May 03 06:14:48 <asj> off topic, but win for me :) nothing like having a your isp be an ubuntu mirror, dl at 1300kB/s :)
May 03 06:16:04 <asj> swc|666: url isn't working for me... ;)
May 03 06:17:55 <swc|666> haha
May 03 06:20:06 <RST38h> Anyone knows what version of GDB I have to install on Ubuntu to debug programs running in qemu?
May 03 06:25:35 <summel> o/
May 03 06:29:39 <summel> yay testing the new SDK
May 03 06:29:43 <summel> iot is full of FAIL
May 03 06:29:44 <summel> \o/
May 03 06:29:47 <summel> *it
May 03 06:30:48 * timeless_mbp looks for someone w/ pr1.1.1 or lower and a bit of time
May 03 06:31:02 <summel> how do i check that? :D
May 03 06:31:31 <summel> 3.2010.02-8 is my version
May 03 06:33:27 <timeless_mbp> summel: that'll do
May 03 06:34:01 <summel> how can i help?
May 03 06:34:29 <mece> timeless_mbp, whacha need? I've got 1.1.1
May 03 06:36:07 * timeless_mbp points to the other channel
May 03 06:36:45 <mece> on a sidenote, I'm running out of schadenfreude and starting to feel sorry for the non-douche people who got tricked into using leaky rc, and are now having troubles.
May 03 06:37:05 <summel> mece: my troubles are "A N900 device with updates installed. Note that PR1.2 is the minimum firmware supported." -_-
May 03 06:37:58 <mece> summel, well... this is worse: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51663
May 03 06:39:32 <asj> SUCKERS
May 03 06:39:37 <asj> oops lol
May 03 06:39:41 <summel> mece: leak is probably nopt finished.,, dunno.... i think it is worse that i cant use ANY off my apps on my n900 because nokia is too stupid to provide an sdk for pr 1.1
May 03 06:40:24 <asj> what week-rel did that guy have?
May 03 06:41:02 <summel> dunno... im not interested in any leak... i would be hapier about an 1.1 sdk then haviing 1.2 released -_-
May 03 06:50:09 <asj> summel: i can understand that
May 03 06:50:46 <summel> i have 3 apps ready... they all work some way in the sdk... but i cant use them :(
May 03 06:53:59 <asj> summel: I'm sure pr1.2 will be out soon
May 03 06:54:16 <asj> and I'm hoping they learned their lesson
May 03 06:54:51 <summel> i hope so... its been long enough... i probably could sue nokia for not providing an sdk in which i can build and release and SELL my apps... so i could sue them for the profit im missing out because of them or somethiing like that xD
May 03 06:55:11 <timeless_mbp> asj: people here don't learn lessons
May 03 06:55:15 <frals> go ahead, sue everyone summel, let us know how it goes
May 03 06:55:21 <timeless_mbp> we just get new people :)
May 03 06:55:33 <summel> :P
May 03 06:56:26 * RST38h sues summel for wasted network traffic
May 03 06:56:34 <summel> :O
May 03 06:57:34 <RST38h> moo wazd
May 03 06:57:51 <wazd> RST38h: heya :)
May 03 06:58:22 <Tuukka> Hopefully it will take few more weeks till pr1.2 is out so that all those over eager people will suffer. Muahahahahaaahaaaa!
May 03 06:58:32 <summel> ~nuke Tuukka
May 03 06:58:33 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Tuukka ... B☢☢M!
May 03 06:58:52 <Tuukka> :D lol
May 03 07:01:58 <RST38h> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libsb2.so.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded
May 03 07:02:02 <RST38h> wtf?
May 03 07:02:58 <RST38h> actually this is not what causes the crash
May 03 07:07:02 <Tuukka> Is there a help command to see all the commands the freenode server uses?
May 03 07:08:38 <frals> no mwkn yet?
May 03 07:16:59 <_abhishek> Hi I have diablo device (N810 ) I have written some code which generates image using QImage and saves image using QImage save function this programs works fine on Desktop and scratchbox too but won't work on Device it won't save the file is there any problem in saving with QImage or some alternate method to use ?
May 03 07:29:37 <summel> can someone with an n900 and a "decent" camera do me a favor? :D
May 03 07:31:21 <asj> summel: ?
May 03 07:32:04 <summel> i need a pic of an n900 on its stand with a lit keyboard on a green/blue/white background siplaying this picture in fullscreen
May 03 07:32:05 <summel> http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/uploads/2/2e/Quassel-logo.png
May 03 07:32:48 <asj> oh displaying
May 03 07:32:59 <asj> lol
May 03 07:33:01 <summel> oh yes sry
May 03 07:33:02 <summel> :D
May 03 07:33:05 <summel> im a bit tired
May 03 07:34:44 <asj> horrible url
May 03 07:35:13 <Tuukka> quassel what's that?
May 03 07:35:21 <summel> Tuukka: irc client
May 03 07:35:22 <zokier> Tuukka, an irc-client
May 03 07:35:29 <asj> a horrible irc client ;)
May 03 07:35:29 <summel> THE irc client
May 03 07:35:30 <summel> :P
May 03 07:35:37 <summel> ~nuke asj
May 03 07:35:38 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at asj ... B☢☢M!
May 03 07:36:05 <asj> Tuukka: it's so bad I'm tempted not to help summel, but alas I am a nice guy
May 03 07:36:13 <Tuukka> right... I don't even bother to get a client, using the webchat :DD
May 03 07:36:29 <asj> Tuukka: if you can't irc with telnet you shouldn;t be on irc ;)
May 03 07:36:43 <summel> asj: <3
May 03 07:37:03 <asj> twouters: oh shush ;)
May 03 07:37:06 <twouters> :)
May 03 07:37:37 <asj> summel: ok sec
May 03 07:39:46 <Tuukka> asj, well i hardly ever use irc. Using it only to troll in here :)
May 03 07:40:34 <summel> Tuukka: quassel has a client/core architecture... you set the core up to connect to your irc networks/channels and then you use the multiplattform client to connect to the core... so cou are online 24/7 :)
May 03 07:40:52 <asj> summel: the picture you want isn't going to happen...
May 03 07:40:56 * noobmonk3y throws a troll at frals 
May 03 07:40:57 * asj looks at what he got
May 03 07:41:00 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
May 03 07:41:09 <summel> why not? :o
May 03 07:41:19 <noobmonk3y> :P
May 03 07:42:00 <frals> did you fix that bug yet? ;D
May 03 07:42:04 <asj> summel: very bright screen washes out the background.  If you have enough light to show the phone then then keyboard isn't lit
May 03 07:42:13 <asj> summel: I'll upload what I have
May 03 07:42:31 <summel> write over the light sensor with a pen!
May 03 07:42:32 <summel> :P
May 03 07:43:13 <asj> summel: you can post your phone to:
May 03 07:43:21 <summel> i dont have a camera :(
May 03 07:43:25 <summel> atm
May 03 07:43:32 <summel> @work
May 03 07:43:47 <noobmonk3y> i really am amazed with how arrogant and rude some people on t.m.o are
May 03 07:44:30 <mece> noobmonk3y, tmo is the internets. It brings out the dicks.
May 03 07:44:38 <noobmonk3y> lol :P good point
May 03 07:44:41 <asj> noobmonk3y: and you think irc will be better?
May 03 07:44:47 <Surfa> noobmonk3y, well, facing too many idiots makes even nicest people rude at some point :)
May 03 07:44:49 <mece> noobmonk3y did you get stacked windows fixed?
May 03 07:45:06 <asj> heh, I just realized tmo is talk.maemo.org, tmo to is t-mobile ;)
May 03 07:45:06 <noobmonk3y> asj - the real numpties havn't figured out how to use irc ;)
May 03 07:45:12 <noobmonk3y> mece :( no not yet
May 03 07:45:29 <noobmonk3y> it's definitley not easy - and that line doesnt just translate into python
May 03 07:45:43 <noobmonk3y> :P
May 03 07:46:27 <mece> lol
May 03 07:46:34 <asj> summel: picture is uploading, patience is required, vacation pics are going first
May 03 07:46:40 <mece> what's your current line then? I can translate perhaps.
May 03 07:46:40 <noobmonk3y> Surfa, i actually agree, but some people are just rude to begin with kinda upsetting
May 03 07:46:51 <summel> asj: thx :)
May 03 07:46:52 <mece> noobmonk3y, pastebin the problem area of the code
May 03 07:47:03 <Tuukka> This irc chat is behinde so many links that an average troll won't get trough :D
May 03 07:47:18 <tybollt> huh?
May 03 07:47:19 <asj> summel: eyefi just uploads them in order, no control
May 03 07:47:24 <tybollt> <-- very much average troll
May 03 07:47:25 <noobmonk3y> mece, self.setAttribute(QtCore.WA_Maemo5StackedWindow)
May 03 07:47:31 * tybollt trolls tuukka
May 03 07:48:05 <noobmonk3y> Take a look at ossipena = http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=7256723 = this guy only knows one thing... how to be a cock....... i just wish he would think before he typed
May 03 07:48:26 <noobmonk3y> mece - tried a hundred different versions of that line
May 03 07:48:29 <mece> that link did nothing
May 03 07:49:19 <TigerTael> I saw on the forums everyone suffering at the hands of the PR1.2 Beta...
May 03 07:49:22 <mece> noobmonk3y, ossipena is one of my favorite tmo:ers :D I truly enjoy his merciless asshole attitude. He speaks business and not bs too.
May 03 07:49:34 <_abhishek> Hi I have diablo device (N810 ) I have written some code which generates image using QImage and saves image using QImage save function this programs works fine on Desktop and scratchbox too but won't work on Device it won't save the file is there any problem in saving with QImage or some alternate method to use ?
May 03 07:49:46 <noobmonk3y> mece - entirely disagree
May 03 07:49:51 <TigerTael> Sure glad I didn't find it out till later.
May 03 07:50:03 <noobmonk3y> shouldnt be a mod, and shouldn't be so god damn cocky
May 03 07:50:13 <mece> noobmonk3y, is he a mod?
May 03 07:50:20 <noobmonk3y> TigerTael, i have it ;) - no problems :P
May 03 07:50:23 <noobmonk3y> mece, yeah
May 03 07:50:32 <Tuukka> TigerTael, +1 for that
May 03 07:50:34 <noobmonk3y> it's dangerous
May 03 07:52:14 <TigerTael> So I'm guessing the radio gets upgraded with that beta update eh?
May 03 07:52:29 <noobmonk3y> hmmm to be honest, no idea
May 03 07:52:40 <noobmonk3y> i was more interested in testing my app on it :P)
May 03 07:52:51 <noobmonk3y> and as it is broken - i have work to do hehe
May 03 07:55:15 <mece> TigerTael, cell radio gets updated yes. and can't be downgraded again afact.
May 03 07:55:22 <noobmonk3y> yayness lol
May 03 07:57:00 <asj> I would not mess with it
May 03 07:57:09 <asj> it's not ever pr1.2...
May 03 07:58:08 <asj> mece: you can use flasher to downgrade afaik
May 03 07:58:24 <mece> asj, the cell radio? Are you sure?
May 03 07:58:48 <mece> asj, haven't seen anyone actually succeeding with it. just people suggesting that it might work.
May 03 07:59:20 <asj> mece: I have not done with it with an rx-51
May 03 08:03:00 <Tuukka> Would it be possible to create a widget which when pressed would hide shortcuts from desktop and when pressed again would display them again? That way the desktop wouldn't be as cluttered and you could see your lovely wallpaper. :p
May 03 08:03:37 <TigerTael> asj, I'm not even considering it.
May 03 08:04:38 <asj> though, I can say I do live overclocking the n900 to  800mhz, the underclocking to 125mhz really seems to help battery life
May 03 08:04:40 <mece> Tuukka, I guess you could make a script that does that, and create a .desktop file for it.
May 03 08:05:38 <asj> Tuukka: why not just leave 1 desktop uncluttered?
May 03 08:06:00 <asj> or two of them, one on either side, a swipe to either side and voila
May 03 08:07:37 <Tuukka> asj, i need all that space.. One dektop for phone, @, messages. Second for games. Third for web bookmarks, and last for utilities
May 03 08:08:51 <Tuukka> Maybe it could work as desktop activity manager?
May 03 08:09:02 <Tuukka> doesn't it do something similar?
May 03 08:10:57 <asj> Tuukka: you play to many games, and stop calling people it's not a phone ;)
May 03 08:11:02 <asj> solved
May 03 08:11:32 <TigerTael> That sort of mentality is not good. ;/
May 03 08:12:20 <asj> I think it's just fine, imho, I would suggest it's perhaps not helpful ;)
May 03 08:13:01 <pupnik> all desktops here are web bookmarks
May 03 08:13:36 <Tuukka> I made amazing wallpapers of ME2 loading vids and want see them properly :)
May 03 08:14:20 <Tuukka> Normandy SR-2 shown from different angles <3
May 03 08:15:49 <D-Iivil> xfade: ping?
May 03 08:16:11 <D-Iivil> X-Fade: ping (typoed)
May 03 08:35:58 <opdf2> geez theres alot of people messing with leak pre w/e 1.2
May 03 08:40:10 <mikki-kun> they just can't get wait to get their hands on something not offical
May 03 08:44:13 <mikki-kun> just curious what will happen once the official pr1.2 comes out
May 03 08:44:35 <asj> summel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrfarmfoto/4573682741/ try 1, 3 more coming
May 03 08:45:11 <mikki-kun> is there actually a way in changing the googles searchoption?
May 03 08:45:18 <mikki-kun> i hate it to have the mobile google
May 03 08:45:40 <asj> mikki-kun: google does that for you
May 03 08:45:52 <asj> when the n900 first came out it didn't if I remember correctly
May 03 08:46:26 <sulx> that leaked 1.2 is far away from mature...
May 03 08:46:39 <mikki-kun> asj: uhm, not exactly, all the google references point towards http://www.google.com/$SOME_MAEMO_STRING if you look towards it really close
May 03 08:47:04 <mikki-kun> if i type "www.google.com" it gives me google.com
May 03 08:47:08 <asj> mikki-kun: but then google can decide which page to popup no?
May 03 08:47:28 <mikki-kun> that is device-specific afaics
May 03 08:47:56 <asj> it just sets client=nokia-maemo
May 03 08:48:07 <asj> err ms-nokia-maemo
May 03 08:48:08 <mikki-kun> i also looked yesterday in that google-widget with a hex-viewer and even that had a string point not towards "http://www.google.com" but something longer
May 03 08:48:38 <asj> don't need a hex viewer, just do a search, then bring up the url it's right there
May 03 08:49:01 <auenf> err, you're referring to mobile google coming up instead of desktop google?
May 03 08:49:53 <mikki-kun> yeah... and that is what i wanted to get changed
May 03 08:50:29 <mikki-kun> every single search which i just type in the browser bar will be transfered to the ms-nokia-maemo page
May 03 08:53:05 <mikki-kun> auenf: isn't there a webpage already for "phones" and small MIDs?
May 03 08:53:30 <auenf> mikki-kun, surely changing the user agent would get around that easily anyway
May 03 08:55:10 <timeless_mbp> um
May 03 08:55:18 <timeless_mbp> the maemo primary catalog is broken
May 03 08:55:24 <mikki-kun> auenf: where could i get that done?
May 03 08:55:37 <timeless_mbp> andre__ / tekojo: who can we poke?
May 03 08:55:58 <auenf> useragentswitcher if its available for microb
May 03 08:56:27 <mikki-kun> ain't there somewhere a config-file for microb?
May 03 08:56:40 <auenf> or about:config would have it
May 03 08:57:14 <tybollt> go timeless
May 03 08:57:25 <florian> good morning
May 03 08:57:54 * noobmonk3y grins
May 03 08:58:11 <noobmonk3y> timeless,  Stskeeps maybe?
May 03 08:59:09 <pupnik> n900 browsing is so good sometimes i use it even when a laptop computer is sitting in front of my face.
May 03 09:00:12 <wazd> oh, legal wars at t.m.o, cool
May 03 09:00:14 <noobmonk3y> lol pup - i am in bed with my lapto pon my lap and the n900 on the laptop keys :P
May 03 09:00:27 <noobmonk3y> wazd?
May 03 09:00:32 <mikki-kun> auenf: ahhhh, big thx :D that is way more helpful than an app for changing that :)
May 03 09:00:39 <tybollt> wazd: Huh do explain
May 03 09:00:40 <wazd> noobmonk3y: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638289&postcount=719
May 03 09:01:11 <wazd> so now maemo.org is an oficcial nokia website? :)
May 03 09:01:13 <noobmonk3y> "We advice"? lol ;)
May 03 09:01:30 <noobmonk3y> hmmm or is reggie coming from an official hat on angle? maybe
May 03 09:02:14 <noobmonk3y> either way it makes sense.... just trying to remove tmo's image of an illegal file sharing site ;)
May 03 09:02:17 <arnor> hi there!
May 03 09:02:32 <mikki-kun> uhm, lol
May 03 09:02:49 <mikki-kun> the geckorelease which microb is based on is kind of old :D
May 03 09:02:53 <asj> well it's bad to have buggy versions flying around
May 03 09:02:59 <mikki-kun> 24.June.09
May 03 09:02:59 <Khertan_> Hi !
May 03 09:02:59 <RST38h> wazd: It isn't like maemo.org ever wasn't an official nokia website...
May 03 09:03:02 <timeless_mbp> mikki-kun: not 'kind of'
May 03 09:03:03 <arnor> could someone tell me if it's possible to remotely control my N900 from a Linux workstation?
May 03 09:03:11 <pupnik> arnor: of courst it is
May 03 09:03:20 <arnor> pupnik: how could I do it?
May 03 09:03:23 <pupnik> ssh
May 03 09:03:25 <Appiah> arnor ssh
May 03 09:03:27 <N900evil> ssh phone
May 03 09:03:31 <pupnik> :P
May 03 09:03:33 <RST38h> wazd: and yes, some of these community functionaries actually think they owe to Nokia =)
May 03 09:03:38 <arnor> pupnik: no graphical front-end?
May 03 09:03:47 <Appiah> you could install a vncserver
May 03 09:03:56 <pupnik> you can also use "synergy" to control n900 with keyboard/mouse
May 03 09:03:56 <N900evil> what do you mean control
May 03 09:05:06 <arnor> Appiah: this is what I'm searching for? any website for me? ; ]
May 03 09:05:21 <Appiah> check talk.maemo.org
May 03 09:05:26 <arnor> pupnik: synergy? :)
May 03 09:05:28 <Appiah> been discussed several times
May 03 09:05:34 <arnor> Appiah: thx :)
May 03 09:06:20 <pupnik> i still enjoy using synergy, but my build is buggy.
May 03 09:07:16 <arnor> ok
May 03 09:12:22 <D-Iivil> X-Fade is on vacation? :)
May 03 09:14:22 <timeless_mbp> pupnik: how are you w/ debian magic?
May 03 09:14:49 <mikki-kun> auenf: btw, changing the useragent didn't work... so i really suspect the thing is hardcoded
May 03 09:15:02 <tybollt> RST38h: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/jobs_flash_letter_deconstructed/
May 03 09:16:22 <pupnik> not so great, sorry timeless_mbp .  can i try to help with something?
May 03 09:17:06 <timeless_mbp> sure
May 03 09:17:17 <timeless_mbp> i have a pair of packages foo-pr11 and foo-pr12
May 03 09:17:22 <timeless_mbp> i have a meta package foo-meta
May 03 09:17:29 <mikki-kun> ahhh, ok i found it... had to search for google
May 03 09:17:31 <timeless_mbp> and i want it to depend on foo-pr11 | foo-pr12
May 03 09:17:31 * TriztFromWork smiles
May 03 09:17:42 <timeless_mbp> if i try to depend on foo-pr12 | foo-pr11
May 03 09:17:48 <timeless_mbp> the package doesn't install w/ ham on pr11
May 03 09:17:52 <timeless_mbp> it works w/ apt-get
May 03 09:18:13 <pupnik> i would have to google to get that |
May 03 09:18:23 <timeless_mbp> if i reverse the order to foo-pr11 | foo-pr12
May 03 09:18:29 <linuxcentos> Is the developer/porter of Carman here?
May 03 09:18:31 <timeless_mbp> it works w/ ham w/ pr11
May 03 09:18:50 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 03 09:18:59 <D-Iivil> Good morning.
May 03 09:19:10 <SpeedEvil> Good moaning.
May 03 09:19:14 <linuxcentos> First of all, hello to all Maemo ppl
May 03 09:19:21 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: life sucks
May 03 09:19:23 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: AIUI, HAM is shit (it reimplemented apt's algorithms - incorrectly and inaccurately)
May 03 09:19:26 <timeless_mbp> the maemo repository is corrupt
May 03 09:19:47 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: does ham suck less in 1.2?
May 03 09:19:52 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: lovely having to try to second guess the proprietary HAM algorithm every time innit?
May 03 09:19:54 <linuxcentos> current Android user switching over to Maemo after reading how good this is
May 03 09:20:07 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: ham is open source :)
May 03 09:20:14 <tybollt> maemo good? Eh, c'mon :)
May 03 09:20:17 <timeless_mbp> (be careful with your use of "proprietary")
May 03 09:20:24 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: meh, don't ruin my buzz :P
May 03 09:20:34 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: do you be readin my buzz? :)
May 03 09:20:53 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: let's s/proprietary//
May 03 09:20:54 <linuxcentos> tybollt: Yeah, Maemo sees to be impressive
May 03 09:21:05 <tybollt> or not :P
May 03 09:21:09 <Jaffa> linuxcentos: welcome :)
May 03 09:21:18 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: i'll resolve that
May 03 09:21:19 <linuxcentos> Jaffa: thx :)
May 03 09:21:22 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: You need to ask m-vo
May 03 09:21:38 <frals> timeless_mbp: what was the url to the google maps site that actually worked decently on device?
May 03 09:21:41 <linuxcentos> tybollt: not ? :)
May 03 09:22:08 <linuxcentos> tybollt: i'm really looking forward to sell my Samsung Galaxy to buy one Maemo
May 03 09:22:20 <Jaffa> linuxcentos: I'll take this opportunity to plug http://www.mwkn.net if you want a summary of what's going on at the moment (today's issue is 2 hours old)
May 03 09:23:19 <timeless_mbp> frals: um, google.com/maps/m/ ?
May 03 09:23:20 <frals> Jaffa: there seems to be some encoding issues (see "super testers" article for example)
May 03 09:24:16 <frals> timeless_mbp: ty, was using maps.google.com :p
May 03 09:24:48 <linuxcentos> Jaffa: thx, i'm really excited about Maemo
May 03 09:25:13 <linuxcentos> Jaffa: never even felt to try to make any code in Android due to it's system
May 03 09:25:33 <linuxcentos> Jaffa: even though i've 2 Android phones
May 03 09:26:08 <Jaffa> frals: Yeah, just spotted. Annoying. Fixed
May 03 09:26:09 <timeless_mbp> linuxcentos: maemo is retiring...
May 03 09:26:57 <linuxcentos> timeless_mbp:really?
May 03 09:26:59 <SpeedEvil> Maemo is mutating!
May 03 09:27:04 <SpeedEvil> And gaining shiny new powers!
May 03 09:27:09 <SpeedEvil> And becoming meego!
May 03 09:27:12 <tybollt> linuxcentos: as timeless_mbp says it - let's be carefull shall we
May 03 09:27:14 <frals> Jaffa: :) same in kfzcheck under announcements
May 03 09:27:14 <SpeedEvil> Maemo evolved!
May 03 09:27:15 <TigerTael> linuxcentos, haven't heard of MeeGo?
May 03 09:27:18 <tybollt> however for a different reason
May 03 09:27:36 <tybollt> maemo is not the be all end all  überOS
May 03 09:27:48 <tybollt> it has its potential but let's not go all fanboi about it :)
May 03 09:27:52 <TigerTael> tybollt, what is?
May 03 09:27:52 <SpeedEvil> However - in many cases - with the right programming - GUI/qt - stuff should run on maemo and meego pretty much unchanged
May 03 09:28:13 <summel> SpeedEvil: no :(
May 03 09:28:20 <tybollt> TigerTael: Is there one?
May 03 09:28:29 <TigerTael> tybollt, I wish. ;]
May 03 09:29:54 <Surfa> maemo got supercow powers
May 03 09:30:15 <asj> summel: did you see your picture?
May 03 09:30:25 <summel> asj: yes thx :)
May 03 09:30:35 <asj> summel: there are probably all 3 now
May 03 09:31:42 <opdf2> is that n8 really gonna be quad band umts/hsdpa?
May 03 09:32:12 <SpeedEvil> summel: no?
May 03 09:32:46 <opdf2> i usually see either 900/1700/2100 or 850/1900/2100
May 03 09:33:04 <summel> SpeedEvil: sdk has pr 1.2 so apps built in the sdk do not run on the device :(
May 03 09:33:10 <linuxcentos> MeeGo , oh yes
May 03 09:33:18 <linuxcentos> Intel + Nokia
May 03 09:33:26 <linuxcentos> rirht?
May 03 09:33:36 <linuxcentos> right ? *
May 03 09:34:01 <SpeedEvil> summel: I mean in principle.
May 03 09:34:16 <SpeedEvil> summel: I'm for the purposes of argument supposing a seperate buildchain
May 03 09:34:31 <SpeedEvil> summel: you take your cod, and build it on a meego sdk
May 03 09:34:40 <summel> i'm for releasing pr 1.2/an 11 sdk
May 03 09:34:45 <SpeedEvil> I'm doubtful that the exact same binary will run
May 03 09:35:15 <summel> but yes i did just compile my qt4 desktop app for maemo and it runs (in the sdk)
May 03 09:37:29 <SpeedEvil> The sdk not building 1.1, and 1.2 not releasesed has shades of openmoko.
May 03 09:38:09 <summel> but the n900 is not as ugly as the freerunner was :D
May 03 09:39:07 <SpeedEvil> But the n900 has no lanyard hole.
May 03 09:39:10 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 03 09:39:18 <summel> it dpoes
May 03 09:40:14 <SpeedEvil> Not as easy to use! :)
May 03 09:41:23 <TigerTael> I should consider a lanyard.
May 03 09:41:40 <summel> http://liqbase.net/liq.adhoc.stand.front.20100104_004.jpg
May 03 09:41:46 <summel> true
May 03 09:41:51 <summel> y<ou have to open the device
May 03 09:42:02 <summel> and the hole is pretty small :/
May 03 09:42:11 <summel> but i wouldnt use it anyways :D
May 03 09:46:56 <summel> samsung nc10? :d
May 03 10:05:39 <mece> bäkk
May 03 10:06:08 <chem|st> mece: wb
May 03 10:06:11 <asj> top
May 03 10:06:16 <chem|st> mece: wo bist du denn her?
May 03 10:06:50 <summel> chem|st: finnland würd ich sagen ;)
May 03 10:07:15 <chem|st> haben finnen nen ä
May 03 10:07:35 <mece> chem|st, finland :)
May 03 10:07:46 <summel> die ham auch ein °a oder sowas
May 03 10:07:48 <summel> :D
May 03 10:07:58 <mikki-kun|N900> mece: in german finland is written with double n
May 03 10:08:26 <mece> heh funny.
May 03 10:08:44 <mece> All the german I know I've learned from Kondom  des Grauens
May 03 10:08:45 <mece> :P
May 03 10:08:55 <summel> :o
May 03 10:08:56 <chem|st> mece: you got ä?
May 03 10:09:15 <mece> yep. åäö actually, since I'm a swedish speaking finn.
May 03 10:09:20 <summel> mece: not the best german movie :D
May 03 10:09:22 <mikki-kun|N900> i actually have a finnish N900
May 03 10:09:27 <mece> summel, yes it is!
May 03 10:09:32 <summel> no :D
May 03 10:09:35 <mikki-kun|N900> but am using a german keyboard-layout
May 03 10:09:37 <summel> there are better
May 03 10:09:37 <mece> summel, yes!
May 03 10:09:43 <mece> summel, like?
May 03 10:09:44 <SpeedEvil> I'm editing on the wiki - moved a page. How do I find links to the previous page title?
May 03 10:09:52 <summel> wer früher stirbt ist länger tot
May 03 10:09:57 <summel> bella martha
May 03 10:10:01 <summel> bandits
May 03 10:10:13 <summel> just to name a few
May 03 10:10:15 <summel> :P
May 03 10:10:18 <chem|st> thought you got just stuff like å
May 03 10:10:42 <summel> oh and in a way titanic and 2012 independence day etc are german movies :P
May 03 10:10:50 <mece> summel, heh
May 03 10:11:03 <Tuukka> öäöäöäöäö
May 03 10:11:05 <Tuukka> åååå
May 03 10:11:09 <summel> ß
May 03 10:11:26 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I think backlink is not implemented
May 03 10:11:33 <Tuukka> Deutschland Deutschland über alles
May 03 10:11:42 <mece> no å in finnish really though.
May 03 10:11:54 <mece> summel, Good Bye Lenin was an excellent movie
May 03 10:12:04 <summel> yes that one also
May 03 10:12:25 <summel> ẞ
May 03 10:12:43 <chem|st> Tuukka: ü...
May 03 10:13:02 <pupnik_> agree mece
May 03 10:13:10 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: :/
May 03 10:13:15 <mece> ok, maybe kondom des grauens is not a good movie on a generic good movie kind of scale. But I found it excellent, mostly due to random crazyness and poor production values :)
May 03 10:13:15 <Tuukka> chem|st, ??
May 03 10:14:09 <summel> mece: most german movies are "cheap" compared to ... for example US movies... but that does not mean they are bad :) also kondom des grauens is pretty old
May 03 10:14:51 <mece> summel, yeah. It's also a b-movie, even by german standards I understand. I'm a big b-movie fan.
May 03 10:15:02 <opdf2> anyone using sipsorcery? I cant get it to ring my n900
May 03 10:15:20 <summel> you should also watch "der bewegte mann" and "stadtgespräch"
May 03 10:15:30 <summel> <3 katja riemann
May 03 10:16:25 <Tuukka> polizei hund Rex, that's an amazing german tv serie!
May 03 10:17:03 <summel> omg
May 03 10:17:04 <summel> :D
May 03 10:17:19 <pupnik_> ty summel
May 03 10:18:01 <chem|st> Tuukka: just 'Kommissar Rex' and its austrian
May 03 10:19:22 <Tuukka> chem|st, translated it straight from finnish. Still show it in Tv here... lol
May 03 10:20:10 <mece> we have Der Alte too! But nothing beats Ein Fall Für Zwei!! Saako matula turpaan?
May 03 10:20:13 <summel> Tuukka: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Golden_retriever_freundlicher_Ausdruck.jpg sooooo much cuter! :d
May 03 10:22:39 <_abhishek> Hi I have diablo device (N810 ) I have written some code which generates image using QImage and saves image using QImage save function this programs works fine on Desktop and scratchbox too but won't work on Device it won't save the file is there any problem in saving with QImage or some alternate method to use ?
May 03 10:23:22 <SpeedEvil> I would attack it with strace, and see where it's trying to save the file. Perhaps it is a permissions issue?
May 03 10:24:34 <alterego> I can't believe xsomeone leaked PR1.2
May 03 10:24:43 <alterego> Or, maybe PR1.1.2? ^.^
May 03 10:24:48 <SpeedEvil> I can't believe it's not butter.
May 03 10:24:54 <andre__> it's yogurt!
May 03 10:24:59 <alterego> Heh
May 03 10:25:09 <alterego> Did anyone try the gesture video zooming?
May 03 10:26:03 <tybollt> hmmm
May 03 10:26:24 <alterego> I might be wrong, but that's what I thought it looked like on that promo video ..
May 03 10:26:31 <tybollt> so that there post wazd posted was basically a cease and desist because someone put PR1.2 online?
May 03 10:26:34 <tybollt> assum
May 03 10:28:43 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 03 10:28:56 <noobmonk3y> gesture video zooming on playback?
May 03 10:28:59 <noobmonk3y> or on record?
May 03 10:29:01 <alterego> Well, I've got the image, but I'm unlikely to flash it
May 03 10:29:05 <alterego> playback
May 03 10:29:34 <noobmonk3y> doesnt work
May 03 10:30:22 <alterego> False advertising then :)
May 03 10:30:31 <noobmonk3y> hehe
May 03 10:30:43 <summel> why?
May 03 10:30:50 <noobmonk3y> the second you touch the screen it gives you the pause / fforward etc menu
May 03 10:31:04 <alterego> Yeah, no change there then.
May 03 10:31:18 <alterego> I wonder if the h264 codecs are better now.
May 03 10:31:38 <alterego> I'm gonna unpack the image actually and have a poke, rather than flash it :)
May 03 10:31:39 <noobmonk3y> all vids are working fine for me, most are bbc iplayer downloads
May 03 10:31:55 <noobmonk3y> but they worked fine b4 :P
May 03 10:32:02 <alterego> What do you use for iplayer downloads?
May 03 10:32:29 <noobmonk3y> well i did b4 i flashed, erm the command line downloader
May 03 10:32:38 <noobmonk3y> i just go into xterminal and type iplayer <<web address>
May 03 10:33:00 <noobmonk3y> tekojo, are you imitating a yoyo? ;)
May 03 10:33:02 <alterego> Cool, and no one has wrapped a ui around that yet? :)
May 03 10:33:05 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
May 03 10:33:11 <noobmonk3y> alterego, no cos the install is a bit of a pain
May 03 10:33:14 * noobmonk3y grins
May 03 10:33:17 <noobmonk3y> mornin frals
May 03 10:33:18 <alterego> Heh
May 03 10:33:23 <frals> afternoon o/
May 03 10:33:24 <Jaffa> noobmonk3y: That's what tekojo gets for running unauthorised firmwares ;-)
May 03 10:33:34 <noobmonk3y> mece helped fixed the stackable windows - ... .in the end pyside works, qt doesnt lol
May 03 10:33:39 <tekojo> noobmonk3y the ******* wlan in here is
May 03 10:33:42 <noobmonk3y> lol Jaffa  ;)
May 03 10:33:53 <noobmonk3y> tekojo, is....... not very good?
May 03 10:34:04 <tekojo> exactly :)
May 03 10:34:10 <noobmonk3y> hehe
May 03 10:34:18 <tekojo> ooh, and I have an unofficial N900 too!
May 03 10:34:34 <noobmonk3y> unofficial OoOooo is it pink?
May 03 10:34:46 <frals> hmm, i dislike when im told to call someone, he wont pickup and wont answer emails
May 03 10:34:55 <frals> and now i got a doctors appointment in 3 hrs >_<
May 03 10:34:56 <tekojo> my trusty old prototype still works :)
May 03 10:35:00 <noobmonk3y> :D :D
May 03 10:35:03 <MohammadAG_> prototype ftw
May 03 10:35:09 * MohammadAG_ goes back to his ps3
May 03 10:35:11 <mece> prototype ftFw!
May 03 10:35:20 * frals waits for noobmonk3ys HAM to start flashing
May 03 10:35:25 <noobmonk3y> lol!!!!
May 03 10:35:29 <noobmonk3y> ham n eggs on my device ;)
May 03 10:35:45 * tekojo works for nokia and has used this same n900 for quite a while now :)
May 03 10:35:54 <noobmonk3y> hadnt re-installed fmms, better redo that ;)
May 03 10:36:01 <frals> ^^
May 03 10:36:11 * noobmonk3y doesnt work for nokia and has used the same n900 for a while now ;)
May 03 10:36:12 <frals> noobmonk3y: did you fix the problem with healthcheck not closing properly?
May 03 10:36:20 <noobmonk3y> frals - thats my next trick
May 03 10:36:31 <noobmonk3y> sorting out the menu and stackable windows is done now :D
May 03 10:36:45 <frals> was wondering why device was sluggish, having 2x healthcheck open at 60megs each explained it
May 03 10:36:59 <noobmonk3y> hehe :P it was hugging your memory :P
May 03 10:37:02 <noobmonk3y> oh i mean hogging lol
May 03 10:37:06 <frals> :D
May 03 10:37:08 <mece> eeeheheh.. pyqt apps take ridiculous amounts pof memory, I've noticed.
May 03 10:37:59 <noobmonk3y> yeah it does, doesnt help when healthcheck won't close it'self properly
May 03 10:38:14 <noobmonk3y> i wish there was just an Unload all command like vb used to have ;)
May 03 10:39:45 <noobmonk3y> awww installed fmms and it auto added itself onto my desktop in its old place :P
May 03 10:39:53 <alterego> I was mistaken, the gesture zooming is a video playing mebedded in a web page ^.^
May 03 10:40:00 <noobmonk3y> ooo and settings still there
May 03 10:40:03 <noobmonk3y> freaky deaky
May 03 10:40:18 <frals> noobmonk3y: does the mms apn show up in "connect automatically" for you?
May 03 10:40:34 <noobmonk3y> connect automatically?
May 03 10:40:42 <noobmonk3y> no option in fmms for that?
May 03 10:40:49 <frals> in internet connections settings
May 03 10:40:58 <frals> where you can select wlan/blabla
May 03 10:41:01 <noobmonk3y> oh i removed the apn, cos it kept trying to use the internet on it
May 03 10:41:09 <frals> right so you had that problem then :P
May 03 10:41:12 <alterego> Heh
May 03 10:41:14 <noobmonk3y> was assuming fmms now manually configures apn?
May 03 10:41:25 <frals> yes but it adds it to the system
May 03 10:41:30 <frals> removing it means it wont have any settings :D
May 03 10:41:40 * noobmonk3y re-installs fapn
May 03 10:41:45 <frals> noneed
May 03 10:41:49 <noobmonk3y> too late
May 03 10:41:50 <PerfDave> Hahaha, fapn sounds like "fapping"
May 03 10:41:56 <frals> just do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and start fmms
May 03 10:41:59 <alterego> :)
May 03 10:42:03 <noobmonk3y> meh meh
May 03 10:42:06 <joga> PerfDave: heh I thought so too
May 03 10:42:07 <noobmonk3y> installed fapn, doesnt matter?
May 03 10:42:11 <frals> doesnt matter
May 03 10:42:21 <noobmonk3y> as root?
May 03 10:42:31 <frals> user
May 03 10:42:37 <frals> should be fine
May 03 10:43:09 <noobmonk3y> ok ran it, nothing happenned, gonna try fmms
May 03 10:43:36 <frals> ye that gconftool just removes ur old settings so now you have the pleasure of redoing it
May 03 10:43:39 <frals> :D
May 03 10:43:40 <noobmonk3y> ok first load failed - second load looks good
May 03 10:43:42 <noobmonk3y> all reset
May 03 10:43:52 <noobmonk3y> just have no idea what my phone number is lol
May 03 10:43:54 <frals> failed?
May 03 10:44:00 <noobmonk3y> it loaded then vanished
May 03 10:44:00 <frals> well dont have to put it in there really
May 03 10:44:09 <frals> or well, depends on operator, on most it doesnt seem to matter
May 03 10:44:41 <noobmonk3y> just checking, the settings i should use are the vodafone mms ones on here - http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS (UK)
May 03 10:44:55 <frals> yeah
May 03 10:45:08 <frals> and access point name should be wap.vodafone.co.uk and not "vodafone mms" :)
May 03 10:45:25 <noobmonk3y> hehehe
May 03 10:45:40 <noobmonk3y> hmmm it's forcing capital letters on first letter
May 03 10:45:43 <noobmonk3y> and i cant unforce
May 03 10:46:10 <frals> space first then type then remove space
May 03 10:46:11 <noobmonk3y> double entered the letter then removed the capital one, work around
May 03 10:46:20 <tybollt> uhm
May 03 10:46:30 <tybollt> so the n900 is now selling w/ 1.2 in hk?
May 03 10:46:41 <frals> noobmonk3y: thats a bug in H-I-M fwiw and not fmms specific :p
May 03 10:46:41 <tybollt> (cording to that post on TMO)
May 03 10:46:51 <alterego> I can't help but notice that the timestamp on the leaked PR1.2 is the 31st of March ..
May 03 10:47:08 <alterego> So it's over a month old,
May 03 10:47:15 <tybollt> so?
May 03 10:47:30 <tybollt> by the time we got 1.1 it was several months old _several_
May 03 10:47:35 <noobmonk3y> ahhhh
May 03 10:47:36 <ccooke> alterego: that just means a (potential) month of bugfixing going in to the final pr1.2, most likely
May 03 10:47:40 <frals> noobmonk3y: is the mms apn showing up as connect automatically?
May 03 10:47:46 <alterego> Yeah, suppose you're right.
May 03 10:48:02 <alterego> Yeah, but a month of bug fixing is a lot of bug fixing.
May 03 10:48:10 * RST38h building stuff for Symbian
May 03 10:48:15 <RST38h> Pain, PAIN
May 03 10:48:49 <noobmonk3y> its not there as you told me not to re-add fapn lol
May 03 10:49:05 <RST38h> Getting flood of warnings about Nokia's own S60 headers
May 03 10:49:09 <frals> noobmonk3y: fmms installs a new apn automatically
May 03 10:49:18 <noobmonk3y> definitley hasn't
May 03 10:49:24 <frals> noobmonk3y: but if you go to "internet connections" and then get the list
May 03 10:49:31 <noobmonk3y> in there
May 03 10:49:34 <frals> right, what connection mode are you using?
May 03 10:49:34 <alterego> Qt will be the only thing to get me to develop for S60 again ..
May 03 10:49:40 <frals> does it list a apn named "MMS"?
May 03 10:49:43 <noobmonk3y> havoc
May 03 10:49:47 <frals> ah that explains it
May 03 10:49:55 <noobmonk3y> oh not to use havoc?
May 03 10:49:56 <frals> can you switch to rude and go look again?
May 03 10:49:57 <frals> :D
May 03 10:50:18 <noobmonk3y> ok its there ;)
May 03 10:50:30 <frals> does it show up as "connect automatically"?
May 03 10:50:32 <noobmonk3y> got connect automatically to any connection
May 03 10:50:44 <tybollt> btw
May 03 10:50:48 <frals> well its gonna show either your normal conenction or "mms" in that list
May 03 10:51:07 <noobmonk3y> got wlan and mms in that list
May 03 10:51:14 <frals> ok
May 03 10:51:23 <frals> open a terminal and run /opt/fmms/fmms_config.py please
May 03 10:51:54 <tybollt> considering how bitch slapped I got this morning by Timeless wrt my reckless usage of the term 'proprietary'... is the firmware image really ... 'proprietary'? Isn't it basically just a bunch of gpl shitz?
May 03 10:52:10 <tybollt> is distributing it then illegal?
May 03 10:52:11 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Here?
May 03 10:52:18 <frals> tybollt: its not only foss on it
May 03 10:52:35 <RST38h> tybollt: it has proprietary stuff in it
May 03 10:52:37 <tybollt> frals: ah, that's a confirm then, ok sure
May 03 10:52:38 <noobmonk3y> run it
May 03 10:52:56 <frals> noobmonk3y: as in typ /opt/fmms/fmms_config.py <enter> ;)
May 03 10:53:03 <frals> noobmonk3y: and then check the list in internet connections again
May 03 10:53:12 <tybollt> no I'm not running it - I want other gerbils to test this and work out the kinks before I put it on mah precious :)
May 03 10:53:36 <noobmonk3y> ooooo
May 03 10:53:43 <noobmonk3y> wlan and internet gprs now in there
May 03 10:53:49 <frals> noobmonk3y: awesome, thanks
May 03 10:53:53 <noobmonk3y> no mms
May 03 10:53:55 <noobmonk3y> that right?
May 03 10:54:11 <frals> it should still be in the list of all access points but no in the connect automatically
May 03 10:54:15 <noobmonk3y> yeah
May 03 10:54:18 <noobmonk3y> tis
May 03 10:54:23 <frals> great, tis working then :D
May 03 10:54:40 <mece> frals, o'rly? Starting to sound like I might have to have another go at fMMS then :)
May 03 10:55:00 <noobmonk3y> right..... was meant to pick the missus up an hour ago
May 03 10:55:03 <noobmonk3y> better get my ass in gear
May 03 10:55:05 <frals> lol noobmonk3y
May 03 10:55:11 <noobmonk3y> will test it n let you know  ;)_
May 03 10:57:19 <Khertan_> hum ... it will be funny if nokia post information about pr1.2 saying that there are waiting to release it as they are implementing a migration process for the leaked firmware :)
May 03 10:57:33 <Khertan_> hum ... it will be funny if nokia post information about pr1.2 saying that they are waiting to release it as they are implementing a migration process for the leaked firmware :)
May 03 10:57:54 <TigerTael> Doubt they would do that.
May 03 10:57:57 <Khertan_> anyway ... PyGTKEditor 3.0.16 released
May 03 10:58:02 <mece> Khertan, more like sad, really.
May 03 10:58:10 <Khertan_> TigerTael: of course they will not do that
May 03 10:58:10 <Khertan_> :)
May 03 10:58:16 <mece> Khertan_. what is different from, say .14?
May 03 10:58:33 <Khertan_> the 3.0.16 fix bugs of 3.0.15
May 03 10:58:35 * noobmonk3y is sending an mss :D
May 03 10:58:45 <noobmonk3y> (Sent the missues a picture of some flowers - close enough)
May 03 10:58:56 * mece doesn't know what an mss is, but would like to send an mms :P
May 03 10:58:59 <Khertan_> and the 3.0.15 fix bug of 3.0.1, and implement a theming for syntax hilghting color
May 03 10:58:59 <noobmonk3y> meh failed
May 03 10:59:01 <noobmonk3y> MMS
May 03 10:59:11 <noobmonk3y> name or service not known
May 03 10:59:12 <Khertan_> and the 3.0.15 fix bug of 3.0.14, and implement a theming for syntax hilghting color
May 03 10:59:18 <noobmonk3y> please make sure your APN settings are correct
May 03 10:59:25 * noobmonk3y blames frals
May 03 10:59:26 <noobmonk3y> ;)
May 03 10:59:51 <frals> noobmonk3y: prolly because you messed smth up! what does the log say?
May 03 11:00:01 <noobmonk3y> wtf all my settings have vanished!
May 03 11:00:04 <frals> (god i bet its my regexp on the mmsc)
May 03 11:00:09 <noobmonk3y> lols
May 03 11:00:14 <noobmonk3y> not sure really better go!
May 03 11:00:16 <frals> could you send me a log? ;o
May 03 11:00:17 <noobmonk3y> will sort it tonight!
May 03 11:00:21 <noobmonk3y> can doooooooooooooooooooo!
May 03 11:00:41 * noobmonk3y waves n runs out the door
May 03 11:01:15 <cityOfLights> hi all
May 03 11:01:57 <cityOfLights> can anyone here pls help me with connection to my cellular internet?
May 03 11:02:06 <cityOfLights> I need help with ppp chat
May 03 11:02:54 <cityOfLights> second question is about mobile hotspot. does anyone here use it?
May 03 11:09:37 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: anyone else interested in USB host. I've edited http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB to reflect current reality a bit better. Anyone with stuff to add, please do. I may add more refs/links later.
May 03 11:09:44 <andre__> cityOfLights, any concrete questions?
May 03 11:09:45 <SpeedEvil> (no, USB host isn't working right now)
May 03 11:10:27 <opdf2> im lovin sipgate, sipsorcery, google voice. I dont know why I still pay for cell minutes
May 03 11:10:37 <cityOfLights> andre__: hi , do you use mobile hotspot?
May 03 11:14:34 <andre__> cityOfLights, no. what is that? verizon?
May 03 11:15:00 <SpeedEvil> andre__: mobilehotspot is an app in fevel
May 03 11:15:03 <SpeedEvil> devel
May 03 11:15:07 <andre__> ah.
May 03 11:15:37 <cityOfLights> its a way to share the N900 cellular internet with other clients over wifi
May 03 11:15:52 <Tuukka> similar to joikuspot?
May 03 11:15:56 <MohammadAG_> yeah
May 03 11:16:01 <MohammadAG_> but it patches the kernel
May 03 11:16:08 <MohammadAG_> joikuspot loads a module
May 03 11:16:10 <cityOfLights> so - is it stable?
May 03 11:16:38 <cityOfLights> I only got one N900 - and can't risk it stop working
May 03 11:16:44 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: mh. interesting stuff on the usb host mode. good news actually. there is hope ;)
May 03 11:16:54 <zokier> joikuspot uses its kernel module to create an access point?
May 03 11:17:10 <cityOfLights> first question was in regard to the script issued when establishing cellular connection
May 03 11:17:20 <MohammadAG_> it uses a bouncer module
May 03 11:17:41 <MohammadAG_> it's like bridging a connection
May 03 11:18:13 <cityOfLights> doed anyone here got expirince using the chat in pppd?
May 03 11:19:07 <zokier> shouldn't it be quite trivial to route traffic from wlan to 3g and back
May 03 11:19:32 <cityOfLights> I mean look at my last post here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-550529-highlight-chatppp0.html
May 03 11:19:57 <cityOfLights> how should the chat "talk" with the cellular terminal?
May 03 11:20:35 <cityOfLights> I figured I can find more ppl using pppd_chat here
May 03 11:21:11 <SpeedEvil> http://avnetexpress.avnet.com/store/em/EMController/Processor-Misc/Texas-Instruments/OMAP3530DCUS72/_/R-8933401/A-8933401/An-0?action=part&catalogId=500201&langId=-1&storeId=500201&listIndex=-1 - hmm
May 03 11:21:22 <SpeedEvil> 720MHz rated processor is $30 more than 600MHz
May 03 11:22:12 <SpeedEvil> I wonder if you can get a 'drop in' upgrade, and how much faster it'd overclock.
May 03 11:22:16 <SpeedEvil> zokier: yes.
May 03 11:22:21 <SpeedEvil> zokier: however.
May 03 11:22:22 <Tuukka> Odd prices...
May 03 11:23:05 <SpeedEvil> zokier: The problem is that the stock software does not use standard tools to bring up/down interfaces, and those tools are at best unclear, and at worst won't let you do that
May 03 11:23:09 <SpeedEvil> Tuukka: ?
May 03 11:23:47 <Tuukka> SpeedEvil, the more you buy the cheaper it'll get
May 03 11:24:01 <zokier> Tuukka, thats the usual case
May 03 11:24:04 <SpeedEvil> Tuukka: Entirely normal.
May 03 11:24:25 <zokier> ah, that one. i was wondering the other day what kind of networkmanager maemo was using
May 03 11:24:33 <Tuukka> nvm...
May 03 11:24:35 <SpeedEvil> Needless to say, the prices go down significantly more if you order a hundred thousand.
May 03 11:25:03 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (wiki) awesome
May 03 11:25:15 <DocScrutinizer> moo
May 03 11:25:51 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: my take on the whole situation is slightly different though, will probably add to the wiki eventually
May 03 11:26:10 <RST38h> Anyone knows if Diablo Extras still accepts uploads?
May 03 11:26:38 <DocScrutinizer> (ID pin, reasons why Nokia did this, mail from Igor...)
May 03 11:26:58 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yeah - this was just a first cut without much thought involved, or without bothering to chase up all the references I vaguely recalled
May 03 11:27:13 <SpeedEvil> incliding the igor/... mails
May 03 11:27:55 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: leave it to me, so my name shining up somewhere as well :-)
May 03 11:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> but now COFFEE
May 03 11:29:14 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 03 11:29:30 <mece> man I'm diggin gerbick's posts on tmo today.
May 03 11:29:48 <mece> Very very collected responses to the overwhelming amount of stupidity being spread on tmo about the leaked software.
May 03 11:30:56 * Arkenoi thinks it is definitaly good we have leaked software tested with quite wide community audience
May 03 11:31:03 <Arkenoi> leaks are good
May 03 11:31:13 <Veggen> agreed.
May 03 11:31:13 <SpeedEvil> Leeks are good too.
May 03 11:31:22 <SpeedEvil> Especially with potato, chicken and onions in a soup.
May 03 11:31:32 <DocScrutinizer> yummy
May 03 11:31:40 <Veggen> opinions in a soup?
May 03 11:32:01 <DocScrutinizer> I suppose you're No Frenchman?
May 03 11:32:54 <DocScrutinizer> opinion soup, very popular in France
May 03 11:33:18 <Veggen> :)
May 03 11:34:49 <tybollt> DocScrutinizer: ? I thought the french much prefered the surrender soup - w/ a touch of rudeness on the side ::)
May 03 11:35:04 <TigerTael> haha
May 03 11:35:43 * DocScrutinizer thinks it's definitely good a lot of people who never want to listne now had to learn the hard way there's some rationale in the warning of the 'old farts'
May 03 11:36:08 <TigerTael> DocScrutinizer, I laughed.
May 03 11:36:14 <mece> LOL
May 03 11:36:38 <TigerTael> I was just logging onto the talk forums and then I saw it flooded with people having problems with it.
May 03 11:36:43 <mece> man ossipena and gerbick are hammering the poor leaksufferers today.
May 03 11:36:54 <MohammadAG_> they deserve it
May 03 11:37:07 * MohammadAG_ goes back to his self compiled image with broken crap
May 03 11:37:07 <mece> well, ossipena is hammering, gerbick is plotely informing them of their stupidity.
May 03 11:37:08 <DocScrutinizer> full ack
May 03 11:37:24 <MohammadAG_> giving them a mirror would help
May 03 11:37:30 <tybollt> mece: "But this... has to be the oddest, yet most feverish hunt for an update I've seen in years. I hope PR1.2 doesn't disappoint... " - that's just a gem =)
May 03 11:37:46 <TigerTael> It's just a fricken update. ;/
May 03 11:38:00 <MohammadAG_> TigerTael, it's not just an update
May 03 11:38:06 <MohammadAG_> it's THE update
May 03 11:38:15 <MohammadAG_> that will solve most world problems
May 03 11:38:27 <tybollt> starving children in africa etc
May 03 11:38:27 <MohammadAG_> Qt is overrated
May 03 11:38:29 <mece> tybollt, yeah
May 03 11:38:29 <DocScrutinizer> and bring peace to galaxy
May 03 11:38:56 <tybollt> Man I'm so gonna isntall PR1.2 on my iphone!
May 03 11:39:01 <TigerTael> MohammadAG_, OH JESUS!
May 03 11:39:07 <TigerTael> tybollt, great idea.
May 03 11:39:08 <pupnik_> it is surprising how many weeks pass between 1.2 fixes and release
May 03 11:39:08 <Appiah> Does anyone know why the level on the FM transmitter goes down from 111 to 88 when i plugin the charger?
May 03 11:39:17 <Appiah> and back to 111 if i plug it out..
May 03 11:39:25 <TigerTael> Appiah, 1.2 should fix that.
May 03 11:39:26 <DocScrutinizer> Appiah: check the bug in tracker
May 03 11:39:29 <summel> can i use the front facing camera for taking pictures/vodeos or do i have to wait for pr1.2 for that? :P
May 03 11:39:38 <TigerTael> summel, 1.4 I bet.
May 03 11:39:39 <tybollt> no
May 03 11:39:42 <mece> Appiah, install the fm transmitter booster to avoid that.
May 03 11:39:44 <summel> :o
May 03 11:39:52 <tybollt> sorry summel - the N900 can't take 'vodeos'
May 03 11:39:58 <mece> lol
May 03 11:39:59 <summel> *videos
May 03 11:40:00 * ab hopes most of update hunters have N900 as their only internet accessing device and after flashing and failing there will be much expected silence on the web
May 03 11:40:01 <summel> :P
May 03 11:40:03 <tybollt> perhaps if you trying taping videos
May 03 11:40:09 <joga> Appiah: I read mentioned that it was because some regulations could be violated, in theory at least, when the device is plugged in and transmitting
May 03 11:40:09 <summel> *writes a voodoo-app*
May 03 11:40:18 <joga> or maybe it was just a speculated reason
May 03 11:40:26 <pupnik_> tybollt, enough attempts at wit for the rest of 2010 from you
May 03 11:40:26 <TigerTael> ab, I'm one of those people...
May 03 11:40:31 <TigerTael> (At home anyway)
May 03 11:40:56 <tybollt> pupnik_: awww :)
May 03 11:42:25 <DocScrutinizer> ab: don't worry, the rest of them will vanish in a few weeks/months when OC electrocuted their CPU
May 03 11:42:48 <tybollt> question is why the thread wasnt' just locked/deleted though...
May 03 11:43:08 <TigerTael> I don't recommend that.
May 03 11:43:11 <DocScrutinizer> because that wouldn't help
May 03 11:43:46 <ab> DocScrutinizer, :)
May 03 11:44:09 <Khertan_> tybollt: because discution will be at another place
May 03 11:44:18 <Khertan_> tybollt: here we can at least warn people
May 03 11:44:30 <Khertan_> it s what i think
May 03 11:44:55 <Khertan_> maybe not the "official" talk moderator view
May 03 11:44:57 <TigerTael> Anybody who is willing to flash an unofficial image should be prepared for the worst.
May 03 11:45:42 <TigerTael> Worst being a completely bricked phone.
May 03 11:46:05 <Arkenoi> anyone tested if there is SIM application menu in the leakware?
May 03 11:46:45 <Arkenoi> i have multiple IMSI/Ki's on my sim card selected via SIM app
May 03 11:47:15 <tybollt> Arkenoi: not dual sim?
May 03 11:47:21 <Arkenoi> no
May 03 11:47:30 <tybollt> ok
May 03 11:47:35 <Arkenoi> it is not cellular network operator provided sim
May 03 11:47:43 <Arkenoi> it is just blank sim i programmed myself
May 03 11:47:47 <tybollt> ah
May 03 11:48:48 <Arkenoi> entering cellular network access codes by hand is so 90's
May 03 11:49:01 <Arkenoi> reminds me of ESN/MIN etc ;-)
May 03 11:49:14 <mece> who was that douche that kept aggressively saying it's safe and everyone should install the leaked software again?
May 03 11:49:59 <mece> same asshole who's been hazzling folk in the pr1.2 waiting thread.
May 03 11:50:16 * Arkenoi sees no point in installing the leakware *unless* you are extremely curious, willing to experiment and ready for consequences.
May 03 11:50:25 <MohammadAG_> tbh I would've closed it before it got uploaded to 4 different places
May 03 11:50:26 <Arkenoi> i am not but it is good there are people who are
May 03 11:50:58 <DocScrutinizer> TigerTael: you forgot "unrecoverable"
May 03 11:51:29 <TigerTael> DocScrutinizer, completely bricked is my idea of unrecoverable.
May 03 11:51:39 <TigerTael> It is REALLY a brick.
May 03 11:51:47 <DocScrutinizer> ok
May 03 11:52:16 <TigerTael> I'm tired of everyone saying their phone is bricked when they can still flash it, etc.
May 03 11:52:21 * Arkenoi doubts it is that simple to brick "completely"
May 03 11:52:31 <TigerTael> I have an HTC Magic in my drawer, which is almost completely bricked.
May 03 11:52:37 <tybollt> I understand why people ar curious - though can't someone try to emphasize why letting others be the 'test dummy' is indeed  good thing? Compare to medication - how many of you would use meds that are yet to be approved by the govt?
May 03 11:52:51 * joga agrees that 'bricking' is far worse than messing up so it needs reflashing
May 03 11:53:06 <TigerTael> tybollt, if that medication was 1.2... LETS DO IT!
May 03 11:53:14 <TigerTael> I mean seriously v1.2 > 1.1.1
May 03 11:53:21 <TigerTael> What could possibly go wrong?
May 03 11:53:37 <joga> tybollt, many would use if they were unregulated also ;)
May 03 11:53:55 <Arkenoi> well, i guess there are many people who consider 1.1.1 to be seriously sick and feel themselves in the need of urgent medication ;-)
May 03 11:54:12 <TigerTael> Arkenoi, haha.
May 03 11:54:26 <viliny_> whats this? 1.2 came out?
May 03 11:54:26 <alterego> Heh
May 03 11:54:30 <TigerTael> Seriously, I am quite happy with the way my N900 is now.
May 03 11:54:34 <TigerTael> oh god
May 03 11:54:46 <joga> I'm looking forward to video chat in skype
May 03 11:54:53 <joga> (never tried it)
May 03 11:55:01 <alterego> I'm pretty happy with up-to PR 1.1.1 it does everything I want in a phone, and is my life as a mobile computer.
May 03 11:55:22 * Arkenoi wants faster flash player, but it is still the same in PR1.2 and leakware i think?
May 03 11:55:24 <alterego> USSD codes would be nice actually,
May 03 11:55:25 <BCMM> it would be kinda nice to have an application other than "mirror" that actually uses the crap camera
May 03 11:55:38 <BCMM> actually, a firmware that fixes the crap camera a bit would also be nice
May 03 11:55:39 <TigerTael> I just need a better hardware device, that's all. ;]
May 03 11:55:54 <TigerTael> Just use magic to fix it!
May 03 11:55:59 <TigerTael> Software Magic (c)
May 03 11:56:01 <ab> leakware is what, 12-9?
May 03 11:56:01 <BCMM> i want websites to stop using flash
May 03 11:56:14 <mece> I doubt pr1.2 is that far away though. And looks like there are some really cool new features in it.
May 03 11:56:17 <mece> ab, yep.
May 03 11:56:20 <Arkenoi> BCMM: not until we get html5 video
May 03 11:56:29 <Arkenoi> which we do not have either
May 03 11:56:31 <BCMM> while i dislike the iphone on both practical and philosophical grounds, i think it's likely to do good things to the internet
May 03 11:56:37 <Lynoure> How can one see if they have PR1.1 or PR1.1.1?
May 03 11:56:41 <DocScrutinizer> ~wiki bricking
May 03 11:56:43 <ab> mece, that should be almost 1.5month old if naming scheme still holds
May 03 11:56:46 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricking (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Refimprove|date=November 2008}} When used in reference to consumer electronics, "'brick'" describes a device that cannot function in any capacity (such as a device with damaged firmware). This usage derives from the fact that some electronic devices (and their detachable power supplies) are vaguely brick-shaped, and so those which do not function are useful only as actual bricks. ...
May 03 11:56:52 <TigerTael> mece, like what?
May 03 11:57:00 <tybollt> OTOH - if sites are to stop using flash - then what? Mpeg instead? you have no idea buddy no idea whatsoever
May 03 11:57:03 <Lynoure> uname -a or About product  do not mention PR at all
May 03 11:57:05 <BCMM> since it seems to be the only way to make dim people notice that not everybody has the same screen resolution and flash version
May 03 11:57:18 <mece> TigerTael, well I like the skype video calling. Good one to show off to friends and such.
May 03 11:57:35 <TigerTael> DocScrutinizer, yep, sounds like what I'm saying.
May 03 11:57:41 <TigerTael> cannot function in any capacity!
May 03 11:57:48 <alterego> "Peter@Maemo Marketing" ?
May 03 11:57:59 <TigerTael> My HTC Magic is almost bricked. The only function it provides it turning on to display a little logo and then turning off.
May 03 11:58:07 <TigerTael> And that's it.
May 03 11:58:07 <mece> LOL
May 03 11:58:10 <TigerTael> That's all you can do.
May 03 11:58:14 <alterego> Was wondering how long it'd take Nokia to say something about the leakware
May 03 11:58:16 <mece> altarego, what about him?
May 03 11:58:18 <BCMM> but yeah, till the web sorts itself out a faster flash player would be nice
May 03 11:58:26 <BCMM> especially since i get the impression that it is possible
May 03 11:58:33 <mece> alterego, luovanto mentioned many hours ago.
May 03 11:58:38 <BCMM> because videos tend to stutter for a bit, then play smooth, then stutter again
May 03 11:58:51 <BCMM> (as opposed to constant stutter)
May 03 11:59:10 <TigerTael> Just overclock your phone!
May 03 11:59:13 <viliny_> are we allowed to ask about the leaked pr1.2 or is that also risking a kick?
May 03 11:59:15 <tybollt> adobe provides the better flash for windows - deal w/ it
May 03 11:59:16 <summel> BCMM: http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=89
May 03 11:59:25 <TigerTael> viliny_, go ahead and ask.
May 03 11:59:29 <DocScrutinizer> Lynoure: settings -> about
May 03 11:59:34 <tybollt> viliny_: ask away
May 03 12:00:07 <BCMM> oh my, another way to find the MAC address
May 03 12:00:07 <viliny_> Okay, so they leaked it and people are using it now? Would you recommend it if you have tried it and where can one get it?
May 03 12:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> Lynoure: about product lists the real firmware version
May 03 12:00:17 <Lynoure> DocScrutinizer: Like I said, About product does not mention PR for me at all
May 03 12:00:20 <summel> do not use it
May 03 12:00:28 <TigerTael> viliny_, quite a few people tried it, many have big problems... some say it's fine for them...
May 03 12:00:38 <viliny_> i see... thank you TigerTael
May 03 12:00:38 <TigerTael> But you cannot downgrade properly to get a fully working N900 again...
May 03 12:00:40 <BCMM> i spent some time trying to find it, including remembering that /sbin/ifconfig is not in the path by default on debian
May 03 12:00:40 <Lynoure> DocScrutinizer: so I am not sure if I have PR1.1 or PR1.1.1 or what.
May 03 12:00:44 <BCMM> then got it from ifconfig
May 03 12:00:49 <BCMM> then saw it on the damn box it came in...
May 03 12:00:56 <DocScrutinizer> Lynoure: you have to transcode the 2010-xx.yy to PR
May 03 12:00:59 <TigerTael> viliny_, so if you don't feel like buying a new N900, just wait for the real thing.
May 03 12:01:38 <Lynoure> DocScrutinizer: yes, but how? 3.2010.02-8 is what?
May 03 12:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> 3.2010-02-8 is PR1.1.1
May 03 12:02:02 <Lynoure> DocScrutinizer: thank you. :)
May 03 12:02:15 <DocScrutinizer> the '02' part is week of year
May 03 12:02:27 <TigerTael> 8 is how awesome it is
May 03 12:02:34 <summel> lol
May 03 12:02:36 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 03 12:02:53 <BCMM> when pr1.2 does come out, will i have to do anything special? or will it just appear like a normal package update?
May 03 12:03:04 <mece> viliny_, note that the leaked fw  might cause unrecoverable problems.
May 03 12:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> I thought it's how many Nokians it needed to hit the enter key for the compiler run
May 03 12:03:14 <summel> BCMM: normal update
May 03 12:03:21 <mece> BCMM, just update from ham.
May 03 12:03:28 <TigerTael> DocScrutinizer, ahaha.
May 03 12:03:40 <BCMM> ham?
May 03 12:03:48 <DocScrutinizer> ~ham
May 03 12:03:50 <infobot> ham is probably oink oink
May 03 12:04:01 <tybollt> ~bacon
May 03 12:04:02 <infobot> rumour has it, bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick...
May 03 12:04:10 <summel> ham - hildon apt mechanic
May 03 12:04:13 <DocScrutinizer> ~hams also is Hildon Application Manager
May 03 12:04:14 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: what are you talking about?
May 03 12:04:20 <mece> hildon application manager. Not to be confused with Hammy from over the hedge. hammy -> FAST, ham -> slooooow
May 03 12:04:26 <summel> DocScrutinizer: close :D
May 03 12:04:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~ham also is Hildon Application Manager
May 03 12:04:31 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: what are you talking about?
May 03 12:04:44 <DocScrutinizer> ~ham is also Hildon Application Manager
May 03 12:04:45 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
May 03 12:04:55 <mece> LOL
May 03 12:04:58 <DocScrutinizer> weird syntax
May 03 12:05:01 <tybollt> DocScrutinizer: What are you talking about?
May 03 12:05:03 <mece> infobot beaten into submission!
May 03 12:05:15 <Khertan_> ~ham is also Hazardous Application Manager
May 03 12:05:17 <infobot> Khertan_: okay
May 03 12:05:20 <DocScrutinizer> tybollt: botsnack
May 03 12:06:08 <DocScrutinizer> ~ham
May 03 12:06:09 <infobot> rumour has it, ham is oink oink.  Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager
May 03 12:06:20 <Khertan_> :)
May 03 12:06:34 <viliny_> tybollt, TigerTael & mece : Thanks for the info, any fun thread about this where they discuss it? I mean people who had problems so far and whatnot? or is that the one in the topic? (did not go through it completely)
May 03 12:06:50 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: ping
May 03 12:06:57 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: pong
May 03 12:06:59 <mece> viliny_, anything in active topics will work. Bring popcorn.
May 03 12:07:23 <Tuukka> 3.2010.02-8 is 1.1.1 i think
May 03 12:07:42 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: so, what's steps if we'd like to get community SSU a repo on maemo.org? not sure if jeremiah's picking up on the task since it was largely ignored since 25 april
May 03 12:07:45 <Tuukka> a bit late....
May 03 12:08:02 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Who will be uploading?
May 03 12:08:12 <mece> viliny_, some of the most tragicomic ones are in this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51653
May 03 12:08:24 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: i guess i can take responsibility of it if need be
May 03 12:08:30 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: but lma is primary author
May 03 12:08:57 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Ok, is maemo.org signing it?
May 03 12:09:04 <viliny_> hehee
May 03 12:09:09 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: what are you after, mate?
May 03 12:09:24 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: booze and cheap liquor
May 03 12:09:27 <viliny_> mece:  i was reading that yeah :) poor guy, hope he gets his phone working again
May 03 12:09:30 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 03 12:09:58 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: hmm. that is a good question - what's the difference if it is and if it isn't?
May 03 12:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: fix your iron!
May 03 12:10:16 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: It needs to be signed and the key must be known by HAM, iirc.
May 03 12:10:32 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: So you need a package which adds the key.
May 03 12:10:57 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: right
May 03 12:11:22 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Why don't we setup a meeting to get this going. I can take care of the server part.
May 03 12:11:36 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: yeah, it sounds like a good idea
May 03 12:11:41 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: We should be able to set this up in a short time.
May 03 12:12:01 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: 'Re: Community updates for diablo' on maemo-developers thread should be an ideal place, set up a doodle or something
May 03 12:12:23 <X-Fade> Just pick a time to meet in #maemo-meeting
May 03 12:12:26 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 03 12:12:32 <alterego> Right, I'm going to flash my device ina bit.
May 03 12:12:35 <Stskeeps> i'll reply to the mail then
May 03 12:12:37 <alterego> With 1.1.1 ^.^
May 03 12:12:45 <alterego> Gonna do a backup first.
May 03 12:12:47 <X-Fade> Ok.
May 03 12:12:54 <mece> alterego, what are you running now?
May 03 12:13:14 <alterego> mece: 1.1.1 just had some issues recently, with changing themes.
May 03 12:13:18 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Let's try to get it done this week then :)
May 03 12:13:20 <alterego> BAsically, I can't change themes.
May 03 12:14:48 <tybollt> so is there no gossip at all about N910 around here? :)
May 03 12:15:06 <alterego> I'm waiting for the N900 wimax :P
May 03 12:15:13 <sandstorm> I am very new to this stuff and wonder if I can compile the source codes in maemo with its native c flags and optimization sets in order to have an effectively ported open source software. But as far as I know, GNU tools are not natively included in maemo. Any workouts for this?
May 03 12:15:20 <andrewfblack> I see I missed all the fun this weekend with Pr 1.2 Leak
May 03 12:15:24 <mece> catch you later maemites. I'm off. *waves*
May 03 12:15:32 <Termana> yeah, "fun" :P
May 03 12:15:33 <achipa> the pr-unnamed of yesterday was enough gossip for the whole year...
May 03 12:15:34 <jacekowski> andrewfblack: you can still flash it
May 03 12:15:39 <Termana> cya mece
May 03 12:15:44 <tybollt> mece: 'marmites'
May 03 12:15:47 <alterego> andrewfblack: me too, just reading dome of the insanity at the moment.
May 03 12:15:51 <andrewfblack> jacekowski: I wouldn't want to I mean the fun of t.m.o going crasy
May 03 12:16:17 <viliny_> did we see any actual fun stuff in the leaked pr?
May 03 12:16:43 <jacekowski> nothing
May 03 12:16:44 <andrewfblack> viliny_: Yeah I think its funny how the community is acting
May 03 12:16:49 <jacekowski> couple broken things
May 03 12:17:00 <jacekowski> but it's apparently month old
May 03 12:17:24 <jacekowski> do you want to try it?
May 03 12:17:28 <viliny_> i really don't
May 03 12:17:40 <andrewfblack> jacekowski: not sure why anyone would
May 03 12:17:44 <X-Fade> Beware that you can't go back to an older release.
May 03 12:17:53 <viliny_> didn't know they maemo community had such asshats on the forums though :P
May 03 12:17:58 <X-Fade> Well, without losing your phone capabilities :)
May 03 12:18:04 <viliny_> X-Fade: yeah, modem apparently gets permaflashed :P
May 03 12:18:16 <andrewfblack> viliny_: there are a lot of those on the forums
May 03 12:18:53 <X-Fade> viliny_: Yes, cellmo versions are linked to releases. So there is no mixing possible.
May 03 12:19:08 <Stskeeps> it's a bit awkward you can't downgrade fwiw
May 03 12:19:37 <Termana> Isn't it possible to just flash the rootfs rather than the full fiasco image?
May 03 12:19:53 <viliny_> No official word of when the real version is coming then? I mean the guy basicly has a slightly more powerfull n800 untill then?
May 03 12:19:58 <alterego> It is possible, but all the kernel modules are in the rootfs
May 03 12:20:39 <andrewfblack> Whats that alot of people say that N900 really isn't a phone I guess for some people now it really isn' a phone
May 03 12:20:42 <alterego> I was thinking of maybe taking out the firmware for the cellmo in the latest so it doesn't update it on flashing.
May 03 12:20:46 <sandstorm> do the firmware upgrades clean up and reinstall the whole operating system from scratch or do they leave trails for conf files and etc ?
May 03 12:20:49 <alterego> Hahah
May 03 12:21:12 <Termana> alterego, right, and your flashing the rootfs so the modules will be there. And if the kernel has been updated, then you just flash the kernel as well.
May 03 12:21:12 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Yeah, I guess cellmo doesn't have a fixed api.
May 03 12:22:38 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: (linked to releases) I wonder why that is...
May 03 12:23:27 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Modem is the sensitive black box, voodoo happens there ;)
May 03 12:23:49 <Appiah> DocScrutinizer: I cant find a bug in the tracker for that (Fm transmitter)
May 03 12:24:11 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: I know, but unless API change there's no reason to hard-associate it to a certain / version
May 03 12:24:40 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: No idea, I'm glad I'm not working on that ;)
May 03 12:24:47 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 03 12:24:54 * MohammadAG_ wonders why Khertan doesn't upload to devel
May 03 12:25:16 <Termana> MohammadAG_, because hes a man of Jesus
May 03 12:25:20 <Termana> :P
May 03 12:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: ou've been living under a stone?
May 03 12:25:37 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, no, in a cave maybe but not under a stone
May 03 12:25:44 * Khertan_ didn't understand why everyone blame me for that
May 03 12:25:54 <MohammadAG_> no one blames you lol
May 03 12:26:01 <MohammadAG_> it's already enabled here
May 03 12:26:06 <MohammadAG_> just wondering why
May 03 12:26:36 <Khertan_> MohammadAG_: oh ... i ll not explain it again here as such discution to be end in troll ...
May 03 12:26:37 <viliny_> heh, this thread is gold...
May 03 12:26:51 <Khertan_> and people saying that i m destroying the community
May 03 12:26:55 <viliny_> wonder what logic people use when they decide a dodgey firmware is worth putting in your phone without any questions asked
May 03 12:26:57 <Khertan_> so i keep reason for me
May 03 12:26:57 <MohammadAG_> Khertan, I don't troll :)
May 03 12:27:14 <MohammadAG_> as you wish *types apt-get upgrade*
May 03 12:27:16 <Khertan_> you aren't ... but others do each time
May 03 12:27:20 <Khertan_> :)
May 03 12:27:56 <Stskeeps> viliny_: especially when all the tools are there to make a fraudulent fw release..
May 03 12:28:50 <viliny_> yeah, what stops me from taking a fw and just plain out damaging it on purpose and the spreading it and watching the first 100 people flash their phones
May 03 12:29:07 <viliny_> if they community really doesn't take more caution than this
May 03 12:29:15 <Khertan_> you can also put crappy malwares in it too
May 03 12:29:40 <Khertan_> or time bombed hw destroy function
May 03 12:29:51 <Termana> Everyone have their tin foil hats ready?
May 03 12:29:51 * achipa wonders what he has done to offend the gods of QNap
May 03 12:30:18 <X-Fade> Did they change the API on you? :)
May 03 12:31:54 <DocScrutinizer> Appiah: bug 6792
May 03 12:31:56 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected
May 03 12:32:11 <viliny_> Then again, im downloading a bunch of crap people are uploading to extras and extra devels and all those risky places without much further caution so who am i to judge these people... won't be flashing the leaked firmware though, i have _some_ survival instinct built up in these years of electronics dickery
May 03 12:33:02 <Appiah> DocScrutinizer: does not play while USB cord..
May 03 12:33:09 <Appiah> huh
May 03 12:33:20 <Appiah> Not my issue really but it maybe has some relevant info in there
May 03 12:33:24 <Appiah> I'll check it out
May 03 12:34:07 * achipa is in the perfect storm - the official firmware ftp dir is empty, the NAS is dead, it's a holiday, and the vendor forum dies with a DB error on login attempts
May 03 12:35:16 <DocScrutinizer> Appiah: what kind of plug does your charger use?
May 03 12:35:28 <Appiah> ohwell fixed in next version
May 03 12:35:59 <Appiah> I've tried both the car charger and the normal charger
May 03 12:36:00 <Stskeeps> achipa: i gave in and bought a ss4200e, control over my own software :P
May 03 12:36:17 <MohammadAG> Appiah, the normal charger works
May 03 12:36:25 <Appiah> both works
May 03 12:36:26 <Appiah> for me
May 03 12:36:28 <DocScrutinizer> apiand both had.... USB-plug - dadaaah
May 03 12:36:31 <MohammadAG> (needs a signal boost, and fm-boost handles that quite well)
May 03 12:36:32 <Appiah> but they  drop the strength
May 03 12:36:38 <MohammadAG> ^^
May 03 12:36:45 <Appiah> (Yes I have booster)
May 03 12:36:58 <MohammadAG> Rerun it and the signal will be boosted more
May 03 12:37:08 <Appiah> Ye thats what I've been doing
May 03 12:37:22 <MohammadAG> metal in the charger should also help boost it more
May 03 12:37:38 <Appiah> but I'd rather not play around with the n900 in the car :)
May 03 12:37:39 <DocScrutinizer> Appiah: ^^
May 03 12:38:03 <achipa> Stskeeps: my fault really. Should have insisted on Debian at deployment. But nooo, shiny web interfaces are gooood.
May 03 12:38:10 <MohammadAG> Appiah, duplicate the shortcuts on a full desktop :P
May 03 12:38:16 <Appiah> :D
May 03 12:38:23 <Stskeeps> achipa: i have a lovely solaris install on my 4x1tb server.. loving it :P
May 03 12:38:32 <Appiah> I'm gonna dedicate one desktop for car use
May 03 12:38:48 <achipa> achipa: yeah. rub it in. :)
May 03 12:39:14 <achipa> Stskeeps: talking to myself. that bad.
May 03 12:39:30 <Appiah> hmm , can you make the desktop icons bigger? =)
May 03 12:40:21 <tybollt> you sound like my mum
May 03 12:40:37 <tybollt> They gave her a 22" screen at work and she ran it in 640*480
May 03 12:40:43 <alterego> Think I might doa full reflash today, eMMC and root
May 03 12:41:40 <viliny_> tybollt: i didn't know you could run modern screens at that resolution :)
May 03 12:41:58 <tybollt> me neither >:)
May 03 12:42:07 <MohammadAG> viliny_, Windows can do anything!
May 03 12:42:08 <MohammadAG> :P
May 03 12:42:13 <viliny_> mine only goes to 800xXXX here at work
May 03 12:42:19 <viliny_> a 22" acer
May 03 12:42:39 <MohammadAG> mine can go down to 640x480 on windows, same as viliny_ on Ubuntu
May 03 12:42:58 * MohammadAG waves goodbye @ Ubuntu
May 03 12:43:01 <MohammadAG> bbl
May 03 12:43:11 <viliny_> ...what? :P
May 03 12:45:21 * dAnIeLLL está de volta... [t7DS: - fora: 1day 14hrs 31min 28s]
May 03 12:46:39 <viliny_> Oh version... well eh, actually this is a xp machine but im running a linux mint (which is ubuntu, yeah....) inside a virtual machine
May 03 12:47:38 <DocScrutinizer> Appiah: there's a package called python dbus scripting or somesuch. You could set up a script triggered on plug insertion that does a "echo 150 >tx_level"
May 03 12:48:13 <Appiah> DocScrutinizer: yes I thought about it
May 03 12:48:20 <SpeedEvil> the kernel limit is 118
May 03 12:48:31 <SpeedEvil> it is implied in the driver soure this is a hardware limit
May 03 12:48:32 <zomg> Hi, I'm getting "su: must be suid to work properly" on N900 when attempting to run a Qt app. I compiled it in Scratchbox with FREMANTLE_ARMEL target. Any ideas what's up?
May 03 12:48:32 <SpeedEvil> source
May 03 12:48:34 <Appiah> but since its fixed in PR1.2 and I read some blog about it coming soon :)
May 03 12:48:40 <Appiah> just kidding
May 03 12:48:57 <Appiah> I was just gonna do a script and a shortcut to it
May 03 12:49:00 <Appiah> for now
May 03 12:49:06 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (118) this was an abstract stanza
May 03 12:49:33 <SpeedEvil> orry - for some reason I thought this was fmtx
May 03 12:51:06 <DocScrutinizer> s/stanza/sketch
May 03 12:51:26 <DocScrutinizer> darn, coffee doesn't kick in
May 03 12:52:13 <tybollt> addict...
May 03 12:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> MOAR COFFEE
May 03 12:53:13 <tybollt> I'm olready at my fifth or so cup today and I'm yawning still...
May 03 12:56:42 <MohammadAG> any ideas? :/ http://i42.tinypic.com/98eply.jpg
May 03 12:57:17 <viliny_> MohammadAG: what was the ubuntu comment about earlier?
May 03 12:57:35 <MohammadAG> which one exactly
May 03 12:57:55 <viliny_> MohammadAG> mine can go down to 640x480 on windows, same as viliny_ on Ubuntu
May 03 12:58:05 <MohammadAG> err, resolution
May 03 12:58:22 <MohammadAG> 800x480
May 03 12:58:42 <MohammadAG> ubuntu's gone now, if only I can get debian running...
May 03 12:59:37 <Tuukka> ?
May 03 12:59:51 <alterego> Okay, here goes nothing, about to flash
May 03 13:00:18 <alterego> I use my N900 as a modem, it's my only access to the internet, if I'm not back in 10 minutes then presume that I can't get access to the internet anymore.
May 03 13:02:04 <tybollt> MohammadAG: sorry you're not going to rickroll/tinypic-me :P
May 03 13:02:29 <DocScrutinizer> ~ubuntu MohammadAG
May 03 13:02:30 * infobot lovingly explains to MohammadAG in a way that causes MohammadAG to weep with gratitude that MohammadAG must read the fine, friendly manual
May 03 13:02:50 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, Ubuntu's failing ;)
May 03 13:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 03 13:03:29 <MohammadAG> infobot, forget MohammadAG
May 03 13:03:29 <infobot> i didn't have anything called 'mohammadag' to forget, MohammadAG
May 03 13:03:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~debian MohammadAG
May 03 13:03:33 * infobot tells MohammadAG to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
May 03 13:03:42 <MohammadAG> lol
May 03 13:03:55 <MohammadAG> infobot, forget Ubuntu
May 03 13:03:56 <infobot> MohammadAG: i forgot ubuntu
May 03 13:03:59 <MohammadAG> :)
May 03 13:04:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo ubuntu
May 03 13:04:14 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: there's no such factoid as ubuntu
May 03 13:04:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~unforget ubuntu
May 03 13:04:23 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: Successfully recovered 'ubuntu'.  Have fun now.
May 03 13:04:28 <MohammadAG> lol
May 03 13:04:47 <MohammadAG> that's a smart bot
May 03 13:04:52 <tybollt> ~rpm
May 03 13:04:53 <infobot> Red Hat's package management system. URL: http://www.rpm.org/
May 03 13:05:09 <FredrIQ> Factoids...
May 03 13:05:11 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, if you defined it with MohammadAG in it why'd you unforget it :)
May 03 13:05:18 <Termana> ~unforget analsex
May 03 13:05:18 <infobot> Termana: that factoid was not backedup :/
May 03 13:05:29 <MohammadAG> ~Ubuntu test123
May 03 13:05:31 * infobot lovingly explains to test123 in a way that causes test123 to weep with gratitude that test123 must read the fine, friendly manual
May 03 13:05:32 <Termana> I'm pretty sure it was "backed up"
May 03 13:05:37 <MohammadAG> oh, I failed
May 03 13:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> ~rpm tybollt
May 03 13:05:47 * infobot performs rpm -e tybollt.rpm
May 03 13:06:14 <viliny_> Newest ubuntu release candidate actually managed to severely fook up my bios on laptop, i was well impressed.
May 03 13:06:25 <FredrIQ> infobot, what is maemo about?
May 03 13:06:26 <MohammadAG> ugh
May 03 13:06:27 <infobot> I think you lost me on that one, FredrIQ
May 03 13:06:31 <FredrIQ> meh
May 03 13:07:15 * achipa slips into berserker rage because he realize se just lost 3 hours because someone MISdocumented THE DISASTER RECOVERY SECTION
May 03 13:07:25 <DocScrutinizer> infobot, what is maemo
May 03 13:07:26 <infobot> maemo is probably http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml
May 03 13:10:33 <FredrIQ> ~factoid Arch
May 03 13:10:34 * infobot gives Arch a cup of trinitrotoluene
May 03 13:11:05 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo arch
May 03 13:11:05 <infobot> arch -- last modified at Thu Apr 22 18:04:26 2004 by jim!~jim@cpe-24-143-141-183.cable.alamedanet.net; it has been requested 5 times, last by d1b at Fri Jan 15 07:27:03 2010.
May 03 13:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~arch
May 03 13:11:15 <infobot> Object-oriented library of tools for MP machine and networkprogramming. URL: http://lagaffe.cpe.fr/~arch/, or version control software aiming to be better than cvs; at http://wiki.gnuarch.org/
May 03 13:12:06 <DocScrutinizer> 'a cup of TNT' - wow
May 03 13:12:14 <DocScrutinizer> cheers :-D
May 03 13:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> now, I know about medical use of Glycerinetrinitrate
May 03 13:13:35 <adeus> aargch
May 03 13:13:55 <DocScrutinizer> ...but toluenetrinitrate?
May 03 13:14:03 <zomg> Is there something else I need to do other than install maemo SDK + the Qt stuff to make things work on N900?
May 03 13:14:16 <zomg> I tried compiling for FREMANTLE_ARMEL in scratchbox but can't run it on device
May 03 13:14:53 <Lynoure> zomg: "can't run"... so what happens?
May 03 13:15:17 <zomg> Lynoure: trying to run with su -c ./testapp user says "su: must be suid to work properly"
May 03 13:15:28 <Lynoure> zomg: that's not how you run it.
May 03 13:15:36 <zomg> Why does it say so in the maemo wiki then >_>
May 03 13:16:11 <Lynoure> zomg: ./runstandalone.sh yourapp  seems to work well
May 03 13:16:24 <zomg> On device, not in scratchbox
May 03 13:16:27 <MohammadAG_> without the ./
May 03 13:16:31 <Lynoure> zomg: yes, on the device.
May 03 13:16:36 <MohammadAG_> zomg, actually it does help on both
May 03 13:16:38 <zomg> oh hm, I shall try that then
May 03 13:16:47 <Lynoure> zomg: can you point me to the wiki page in question?
May 03 13:17:00 <zomg> http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Device
May 03 13:17:28 <DocScrutinizer> zomg: there's no real su on maemo
May 03 13:17:31 <Lynoure> zomg: you can test how things work in the scratchbox, interesting if that works in the x86 side of it
May 03 13:17:51 <alterego> And success
May 03 13:18:29 <zomg> Lynoure: ah so I should think of the scratchbox environment more like a vm?
May 03 13:18:44 <zomg> so I guess I should also install the packages I did apt-get on scratchbox to the N900 too?
May 03 13:19:02 <Lynoure> zomg: That's up to you, but I do test my app on the scratchbox before bothering to test it on the device.
May 03 13:19:10 <zomg> cause I don't have runstandalone on device =)
May 03 13:19:13 <Lynoure> zomg: makes it faster, by far.
May 03 13:19:22 <Lynoure> it = development cycle
May 03 13:19:23 <DocScrutinizer> zomg: first of all: why do you want to run your apt with root-perm?
May 03 13:19:34 <zomg> DocScrutinizer: I don't. It just said that on the wiki page
May 03 13:19:45 <DocScrutinizer> that's nonsense
May 03 13:19:55 <Lynoure> DocScrutinizer: it does say so.
May 03 13:20:07 <Lynoure> DocScrutinizer: Dunno why.
May 03 13:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> frequently you want to run your apps under user
May 03 13:20:34 <zomg> Installation of the whole dev thing was a breeze until this point where I actually need to run the stuff on the real device
May 03 13:20:42 <zomg> Now it's just not quite working :D
May 03 13:23:13 <DocScrutinizer> zomg: create a ELF for armel; copy that ELF (aka binary) to user@N900/, run it from xterm on N900 like 'chmod a+x ~user/myApp; ~user/myApp'
May 03 13:23:15 <Lynoure> zomg: run-standalone.sh
May 03 13:23:27 <Lynoure> zomg: I missed the - as I was typing from memory
May 03 13:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> that's also nonsense. run-standalone.sh only needed when running an app under a non-user environment
May 03 13:24:31 <DocScrutinizer> like e.g. from crontab
May 03 13:24:51 <zomg> ah yes now it seems to be trying to actually do something
May 03 13:24:57 <Lynoure> DocScrutinizer: Interesting, it was in the packaging tutorial that I ran into. Oops :)
May 03 13:25:02 <zomg> and looks like I can't put it in MyDocs either, has to be in /home/user
May 03 13:25:26 <alterego> It really annoys me how the file manager doesn't use back for navigation. I keep closing the window instead of navigating up :/
May 03 13:25:28 <DocScrutinizer> zomg: MyDocs is a VFAT mounted noexec
May 03 13:25:38 <zomg> That doesn't really say anything to me :)
May 03 13:25:40 <Lynoure> DocScrutinizer: any harm in using it needlessly?
May 03 13:25:51 <DocScrutinizer> Lynoure: not really
May 03 13:25:56 <zomg> libQtXmlPatterns.so: cannot open shared object file
May 03 13:26:12 <zomg> Did the wiki omit the part where you install Qt on device? :P
May 03 13:26:18 <DocScrutinizer> zomg: means you simply can't start executables stored there
May 03 13:26:21 <alterego> Heh
May 03 13:27:41 <adeus> crontab is on the device?
May 03 13:27:54 <DocScrutinizer> no, actually not :-P
May 03 13:28:16 <DocScrutinizer> adeus: use alarmed app instead
May 03 13:28:30 <adeus> ah thought so :)
May 03 13:28:37 <zomg> Ah great
May 03 13:28:51 <zomg> after doing apt-get install libqt4-xmlpatterns the app launches
May 03 13:29:13 <zomg> maybe it would be a good idea to include little details like these on the wiki page cause they sure can be confusing to noobs like myself =)
May 03 13:30:44 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, seems a little tad too generic for mentioning it on a wiki about maemo
May 03 13:31:25 <SimonLR> The error seems self explanatory
May 03 13:31:32 <DocScrutinizer> as you'll need to install libraries for an app on any OS
May 03 13:31:57 <zomg> Maybe a short section saying you may need to install qt libraries on device
May 03 13:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> usually apt/ham is doing that for you, by checking the dependencies
May 03 13:32:24 <zomg> Yeah if you install it via the app manager I think
May 03 13:32:37 <BCMM> i am a bit confused about different sources of applications for maemo
May 03 13:32:47 <BCMM> there is the app manager, ovi store and maemo select
May 03 13:32:55 <DocScrutinizer> zomg: no, as you may also need to install other libraries, depending on what your app is linked against
May 03 13:32:56 <BCMM> is that all, and what is the overlap between those three?
May 03 13:34:27 <zomg> DocScrutinizer: ok, I did manage to figure it out pretty quickly so maybe it's not so vital =)
May 03 13:34:46 <zomg> In general it probably comes more naturally to linux guys
May 03 13:34:51 <zomg> More of a windows guy myself
May 03 13:35:35 <zokier> BCMM, apps installed via app manager are usually free software, ovi store is meant for commercial/proprietary apps
May 03 13:35:57 <DocScrutinizer> zomg: so add a passage pointing to the need to care about installing all referenced libs yourself, if you just copy an executable. This will be enough to catch all issues
May 03 13:35:59 <zokier> app manager also manages apps installed via ovi store to make things even more confusing
May 03 13:36:06 <BCMM> zokier: so stuff from ovi store isn't in the repositories, or what?
May 03 13:36:15 <BCMM> i mean, does they automatically update?
May 03 13:36:30 <BCMM> and is maemo select just a list of things that can also be found in app manager?
May 03 13:37:29 <Khertan_> BCMM: there is something in the ovistore ?
May 03 13:38:01 <BCMM> ?
May 03 13:38:10 <zokier> BCMM, i think that ovi store has a special repository in app manager, but im not sure about that
May 03 13:38:11 <Khertan_> it s a joke
May 03 13:38:23 <Khertan_> there is nothing interesting in ovistore :
May 03 13:38:23 <Khertan_> :)
May 03 13:38:57 <Khertan_> and yes... when a update is release on ovistore, the update manager will also blink to warn you about new update
May 03 13:39:05 <Khertan_> as ovistore is managed as a special repository
May 03 13:40:35 <DocScrutinizer> basically there's only apmanager HAM. Everything else is just a funky way to control HAM's operations (except apt-get)
May 03 13:45:03 <BCMM> i can't seem to use ovi store
May 03 13:45:07 <BCMM> i have made an account
May 03 13:45:26 <TigerTael> OVI store is a bit dodgy for me sometimes, selecting certain items in the list is almost impossible.
May 03 13:45:42 <BCMM> but when i click "download" on a free app i get a progress thing in the address bar for a couple of seconds, then nothing happens
May 03 13:45:54 <toresbe> So PR1.2 is coming up soon, or?
May 03 13:46:02 <toresbe> oops, sorry, just saw topic.
May 03 13:46:15 <BCMM> ah, they forgot to mention the verification email
May 03 13:57:43 <dazo> that last post "NO PR1.2 YET" really shows a true open source oriented involvement .........
May 03 14:00:02 <Khertan_> lol
May 03 14:00:18 <Khertan_> dazo: this has nothing to do with open source
May 03 14:01:17 <dazo> Khertan_: N900 is based primarily on Open Source software ... it promotes open source software, maemo.org tries to drive a community around this ... it got everything to do with open source!
May 03 14:01:29 <Veggen> well. In a  way it does. It's a bit none-open-sourcy to be so tight-lipped about what you do/when you release etc.
May 03 14:01:34 <Khertan_> dazo: and ?
May 03 14:01:55 <TigerTael> dazo, I think you should be barking up MeeGo's tree.
May 03 14:02:40 <dazo> Khertan_: there are people willing to use their own devices, time and energy to test out PR1.2 ... and their willingness are just killed immediately with such responses
May 03 14:02:58 <TigerTael> Oh Geez... you're one of those people?
May 03 14:02:58 <dazo> Khertan_: the post basically says:  Stay of the lawn until we open the gate
May 03 14:03:09 <Robot101> if you file bugs on PR1.2, it will make it later
May 03 14:03:18 <TigerTael> False bugs...
May 03 14:03:19 <Robot101> there has been enough of that already
May 03 14:03:23 <TigerTael> Hurts the community.
May 03 14:03:23 <Khertan_> dazo: the post stay of the lawn until we have something stable to test
May 03 14:04:19 <Khertan_> it s old from unknow source firmware ... there is nothing to test on an outdated things
May 03 14:04:30 <dazo> gah ... you're not serious?  you don't see that if more are interested in helping out, that the transition from "unstable" to more stable is going easier and quicker?
May 03 14:04:32 <pgas> ( emacs development, lead by stallman, has done without a public repository or even publicly available beta release for years the release date was "when it will be ready" , it's still the case for bash )
May 03 14:04:42 <TigerTael> dazo, no, you will slow it down...
May 03 14:05:06 <Khertan_> dazo: no, false bug report on outdated version without crashlog will not help ...
May 03 14:05:08 <Robot101> dazo: we've been involved in PR1.2 on the inside.... believe me, people moving the goalposts around is the last thing you want if you're trying to call it done and ship it
May 03 14:05:16 <pupnik_> dont miss the call for Super Testers :  http://maemo.org/community/council/super-testers_required_to_clear_up_extras_backlog/
May 03 14:05:44 <TigerTael> I say if you want to use it, go right ahead... just don't come crying here and don't submit bug reports on something that isn't fit for public consumption.
May 03 14:05:46 <Robot101> if you keep moving your destination away from you, you never get there. it's like a team of football with 11 players, and 1000 people who are taking the goalposts out of the stadium... :)
May 03 14:05:59 <dazo> Khertan_: I can agree if it is not updated ... and then you have my point:  If we got more often test version which are suitable and more updated ... you'll get more and better test results
May 03 14:06:29 <TigerTael> I wouldn't say that is always the case.
May 03 14:06:40 <Robot101> the point is Nokia isn't intending to involve a community test process in PR1.2, at the moment, so they have no process in place to deal with it
May 03 14:06:42 <TigerTael> Beta firmwares on-top of other beta firmwares could cause more problems.
May 03 14:06:45 <Khertan_> dazo: from what i see from the test of packages available in extras-testing repository ... believe me ... nothing usefull
May 03 14:06:56 <Khertan_> so i didn't trust users testing fw
May 03 14:07:00 <Robot101> it's not even clear they're /allowed to/, due to certain software having to be certified before distribution by Nokia
May 03 14:07:17 <timeless_mbp> dazo: you won't get better results
May 03 14:07:19 <timeless_mbp> you'll get later results
May 03 14:07:21 <timeless_mbp> or no results
May 03 14:07:21 <Robot101> a leaked devel image and a bunch of bugs which might already have been fixed... don't suddenly create this valuable process for them
May 03 14:07:35 <Robot101> it's just noise, or if you try and listen, a distraction, as timeless_mbp says
May 03 14:07:42 <timeless_mbp> dazo: there are hundreds of uncommitted things in the 'post' 1.2 queue
May 03 14:07:54 <timeless_mbp> but if the 1.2 gate moves later, then people will try to push those things into the 1.2 gate
May 03 14:07:55 <dazo> Robot101: that's my point!  get more solid and frequent test fw's out!
May 03 14:07:59 <timeless_mbp> and some of those will be buggy
May 03 14:08:05 <timeless_mbp> some of those bugs might not be found
May 03 14:08:10 <timeless_mbp> in which case they'll end up in customers' hands
May 03 14:08:17 <Robot101> dazo: so make that point on its own, not by jumping up and down just because some PR1.2 image was leaked.
May 03 14:08:22 <timeless_mbp> and others will be found, in which case you have to move the gate further out
May 03 14:09:45 <dazo> timeless_mbp: how do you think f.ex. distributions like Fedora get their distros put together?  by letting a big, limited group of people hack until they have Alpha and Beta releases available?
May 03 14:09:58 <timeless_mbp> dazo: do you think this is a good use of my time?
May 03 14:10:00 <timeless_mbp> i could either:
May 03 14:10:04 <timeless_mbp> fix bugs in the product you care about
May 03 14:10:11 <timeless_mbp> or explain to you why you're wasting my time
May 03 14:10:13 <timeless_mbp> which would you rather?
May 03 14:10:15 <dazo> timeless_mbp: maemo (and the coming MeeGo) is a distribution as well
May 03 14:10:50 <Robot101> dazo: people who find problems in fedora can fix them - people who find problems in parts of maemo can only whine at nokia until they fix them. meego should be better, but that remains to be seen/proven.
May 03 14:10:53 <dazo> timeless_mbp: with that attitude, I'd say you have not understood the core concept of open source involvement
May 03 14:10:54 <TigerTael> The argument that Nokia should just release package fixes has a lot more merit than this...
May 03 14:10:56 * pupnik_ thanks timeless_mbp for caring what random chatter thinks and gently nudges him workwards
May 03 14:10:57 <frals> timeless_mbp: explaining sw development to users is no doubt the best way to spend your time
May 03 14:10:59 <TigerTael> And even that has its problems.
May 03 14:11:27 <Robot101> dazo: Nokia has understood that this is broken, that's why MeeGo exists
May 03 14:11:36 * alterego wonders if this drama with the PR not 1.2 leak will force nokia to release a proper image to rescue all the idiots/devs that flashed their devices.
May 03 14:11:39 <timeless_mbp> Robot101: not quite, but ok :)
May 03 14:11:40 <Robot101> dazo: they shouldn't be spending time/money on distro stuff which everyone needs
May 03 14:11:41 <dazo> Robot101: I hope you're right
May 03 14:11:49 <TigerTael> alterego, if I was Nokia, I wouldn't.
May 03 14:11:50 <timeless_mbp> alterego: not a chance :)
May 03 14:11:57 <alterego> TigerTael: me either ;)
May 03 14:12:02 <alterego> :)
May 03 14:12:03 <Robot101> timeless_mbp: yeah I appreciate there's a difference between a distro and a product image
May 03 14:12:11 <timeless_mbp> Robot101: oh, i'm not talking about that
May 03 14:12:11 <TigerTael> alterego, it might even cause a greater delay.
May 03 14:12:14 <alterego> It's a good learning experience for the "community" imo
May 03 14:12:17 <Robot101> timeless_mbp: but it lowers the stuff that Nokia is carrying the can for by itself
May 03 14:12:17 <timeless_mbp> merely as a reason for converting from maemo to meego
May 03 14:12:33 <Robot101> timeless_mbp: oh, it's /a/ reason, I know there are a load of other crazies going on :P
May 03 14:12:37 <alterego> I might flash meego actually.
May 03 14:12:46 <Khertan_> alterego: if i was nokia i ll post information saying that due to leaked image ... now the testing squad instead of validating the current fw will delay it to test the migration from the leaked fw
May 03 14:13:01 <timeless_mbp> Khertan: standard policy is to not comment about leaks
May 03 14:13:03 <pupnik_> hahah evil Khertan_
May 03 14:13:09 <TigerTael> Khertan, I wouldn't say it if it weren't true...
May 03 14:13:10 <timeless_mbp> or even to acknowledge they exist
May 03 14:13:15 <Khertan_> timeless_mbp: yep but will be funny :)
May 03 14:13:19 <alterego> Even though I just flashed 1.1.1 just to get a clean device, might flash meego and have a play.
May 03 14:13:20 <TigerTael> Khertan, but it might cause an extra day or two.
May 03 14:13:20 <timeless_mbp> as far as i know, no information has ever been leaked by anyone
May 03 14:13:30 <Khertan_> :)
May 03 14:13:34 <timeless_mbp> leaks can't happen!
May 03 14:13:50 <Khertan_> like titanic ,
May 03 14:13:50 <achipa> especially after too much beer !
May 03 14:13:52 <Khertan_> n
May 03 14:13:54 <Khertan_> ,
May 03 14:14:01 <dazo> last famous words ....
May 03 14:14:07 <Khertan_> god ... key broken on my keyboard ...
May 03 14:14:19 <TigerTael> "We don't need a professional, I can fix it!"
May 03 14:15:13 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa / GeneralAntilles: have you ever seen
May 03 14:15:35 <timeless_mbp> "%s breaks the third party package policy\nContinue installing?"
May 03 14:15:36 <Khertan_> timeless_mbp: but anyway not comment it ... his a good things i think.
May 03 14:15:58 <Khertan_> timeless_mbp: but anyway not comment it ... is a good things i think.
May 03 14:15:59 <timeless_mbp> Khertan: it is ok for us to note that we only support officially sanctioned updates
May 03 14:16:12 <timeless_mbp> if you try to brick your device, you might very well succeed
May 03 14:16:17 <timeless_mbp> and that's not a supported configuration
May 03 14:16:55 <Khertan_> timeless_mbp: of course ... but i'm not too fool enough to trust something from an unknow source
May 03 14:17:36 <alterego> Just noticed, how the meego n900 "codedrop" is timestamped the same asthe PR1.2 leaked image.
May 03 14:17:42 <alterego> Coincidence? :D
May 03 14:18:50 <Khertan_> surely
May 03 14:19:23 <TigerTael> alterego, what would that mean?
May 03 14:19:38 <alterego> I was also expecting, after the first meego code drop, regular, maybe weekly builds or something.
May 03 14:19:44 <timeless_mbp> anyone here intimately familiar w/ ham?
May 03 14:19:59 * timeless_mbp got an error message which people here don't recognize :)
May 03 14:20:00 <alterego> But nothing has been happening in the public meego arena as far as images is concerned for quite some time.
May 03 14:20:24 <alterego> And seeing the videos of meego on youtube from that conference in Japan made me wanna play! :)
May 03 14:22:59 <Khertan_> alterego: the video you see with a netbook ui isn't really meego ... but part of moblin on top of the meego code drop
May 03 14:23:23 <alterego> Khertan_: yeah, that thought did cross my mind
May 03 14:23:35 <alterego> What about the TV and the phone? :)
May 03 14:23:51 <Khertan_> for tv and phone i didn't see anything
May 03 14:23:51 <Khertan_> :)
May 03 14:24:08 <alterego> otoh, it did look like the the screenshots posted of the meego ui for the netbook
May 03 14:24:33 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: 'in ur device - fixin ur spelling'?
May 03 14:24:53 <tybollt> maybe not an errormsg - more like an info msg
May 03 14:25:29 <spectre-> jesus christ my isp is terrible
May 03 14:25:44 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: i'll post a picture for you
May 03 14:25:56 <spectre-> can anyone see this?
May 03 14:26:07 <timeless_mbp> spectre-: i can't see what you're writing, write louder!
May 03 14:27:17 <spectre-> thanks
May 03 14:27:33 <spectre-> any word on when the new os update will be out?
May 03 14:27:59 <alterego> Haven't you heard?
May 03 14:28:32 <Khertan_> spectre-: read the topic
May 03 14:29:00 <spectre-> Whoops.
May 03 14:30:05 <N900evil> n900 admirer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4575011110/
May 03 14:30:34 <tybollt> spectre-: please do not ask - people in here are a tad edgy and you will get on their nerves by asking :)
May 03 14:30:52 <spectre-> lol :) sorry
May 03 14:31:00 <spectre-> having lots of reboot crashes lately
May 03 14:31:06 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: lolcat pics are always welcome
May 03 14:31:12 <spectre-> been itchin for a reason to reflash :p
May 03 14:31:58 <DocScrutinizer> Robot101: do you by any coincidence have deeper knowledge about bme internals?
May 03 14:35:04 <Robot101> DocScrutinizer: I don't even know what bme is... sorry!
May 03 14:35:10 <Robot101> bong management entity?
May 03 14:35:13 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: http://mxr.moego.org/maemo5/search?string=breaks+the+3rd
May 03 14:35:18 <Robot101> baseband modem equipment?
May 03 14:35:35 <Robot101> battery mangling entropy
May 03 14:35:40 <DocScrutinizer> battery management entity
May 03 14:35:46 <Robot101> see? I'd have got there in the end :D
May 03 14:35:53 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 03 14:36:08 <Robot101> but no, sorry, no clue
May 03 14:36:16 <DocScrutinizer> thanks anyway
May 03 14:39:07 <RST38h> Ah, gnumeric has been rebuilt for n900
May 03 14:39:09 <RST38h> ehlo zap
May 03 14:40:35 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: ugh
May 03 14:40:56 <tybollt> was it you doc who got the extended batt or was it sjk?
May 03 14:41:18 <RST38h> Anyone knows why this is a broken dependency: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/speccy/1.7.0-2/  ???
May 03 14:41:21 <tybollt> memory eludes me...
May 03 14:41:33 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10090
May 03 14:41:34 <povbot> Bug 10090: Unlocalizable string in Application breaks the 3rd party package policy
May 03 14:41:40 <DocScrutinizer> I got no special bat
May 03 14:42:33 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK planned to get a whole zoo of second source batteries. And afaik e's got a mugen
May 03 14:43:11 <RST38h> Doc: Care to check what the libosso1 version is on your n900?
May 03 14:43:23 <ShadowJK> The mugen is so good I lost interest in getting a zoo
May 03 14:43:32 <frals> so this nokia qt sdk was nice, until youa ctually wanted to compile
May 03 14:43:36 <frals> /bin/sh: C:NokiaQtSDKSimulatorQtmingwbin/uic.exe: No such file or directory
May 03 14:43:45 <frals> awesome \o/
May 03 14:43:48 <ShadowJK> And people buying the "Gold 1900mAh" battery seem to have figured out on their own that it's a lie
May 03 14:43:49 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: toss a cmdline
May 03 14:43:57 <RST38h> ShadowJK,frals: could you check the version of libosso1 on your tablets?
May 03 14:44:00 <timeless_mbp> frals: it probably doesn't expect to be hosted by sh
May 03 14:44:02 <timeless_mbp> use cmd.exe
May 03 14:44:12 <RST38h> Doc: ls -l /usr/lib/*osso1* ?
May 03 14:44:45 <frals> timeless_mbp: i wonder what file i would be editing to change that
May 03 14:45:01 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l /usr/lib/*osso1*
May 03 14:45:02 <DocScrutinizer> ls: /usr/lib/*osso1*: No such file or directory
May 03 14:45:13 <timeless_mbp> frals: sysinternals.com procmon.exe is your friend
May 03 14:45:18 <achipa> RST38h: 2.26-1+0m5
May 03 14:45:21 <achipa> on a PR1.1.1
May 03 14:45:24 <RST38h> achipa: thanks
May 03 14:45:31 <RST38h> achipa: thus, maemo.org is broken again
May 03 14:45:48 <achipa> you mean - still
May 03 14:45:57 <ShadowJK> n800 diablo: ii  libosso1                                         2.16-1
May 03 14:46:02 <RST38h> well, it was supposed to be fixed
May 03 14:46:14 <ShadowJK> n900: ii  libosso1                                            2.26-1+0m5
May 03 14:46:23 <RST38h> ShadowJK: More interested in N900. I am pretty sure that Diablo build will work
May 03 14:46:36 <RST38h> (but commits to Diablo Extras are also broken, it seems)
May 03 14:46:53 <pupnik> hmm sdk has 2.31
May 03 14:46:54 <Shapeshifter> might it be possible to configure irreco to send the appropriate signal to open my '89 Citroen? It has a PLIP and I have the number which is used inside the transciever
May 03 14:46:55 <tybollt> DocScrutinizer: ja, the mugen is what I was getting at... been some time - wondering what the usage has been like
May 03 14:47:04 <tybollt> sjk: so, do spill it mate :)
May 03 14:48:50 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: what's PLIP?
May 03 14:49:06 <achipa> RST38h: what's your original depends ?
May 03 14:49:23 <achipa> are you doing through shlibs or manually ?
May 03 14:49:25 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: usually those car remotes work with rolling key, but maybe not the IR ones
May 03 14:49:30 <RST38h> achipa: manually
May 03 14:49:38 <RST38h> calling pkg-config
May 03 14:49:40 <tybollt> ShadowJK: well?
May 03 14:49:58 <RST38h> But 2.26 should be a valid dependency, as it is present in pr1.1.1
May 03 14:50:07 <RST38h> No idea why maemo.org marks it as missing
May 03 14:50:25 <achipa> RST38h: are the others valid too ?
May 03 14:50:45 <achipa> 'cause you could have a dep that pushed the thing to pr1.2 and there it's not valid anymore
May 03 14:50:48 <johnsq> Hi
May 03 14:51:01 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: well it's an IR one...
May 03 14:51:16 <Shapeshifter> and it's pretty old, this thing. 21 years
May 03 14:51:53 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: I remember I shocked a friend by copying his IR key code into my IR controler wristwatch and unlocking his car
May 03 14:52:02 <achipa> hey, lookie here, the link actually goes to 2.23-1+0m5
May 03 14:52:05 <DocScrutinizer> was ~1998
May 03 14:52:18 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: yeah well I bet that would work on mine as well... 1989 ;)
May 03 14:52:30 <Shapeshifter> but I have no clue how to enter such a key on the n900
May 03 14:52:31 <RST38h> achipa: the rest is deemed valid
May 03 14:52:43 <DocScrutinizer> so just find a way to record the signal
May 03 14:52:54 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: record?
May 03 14:53:02 * RST38h sighs
May 03 14:53:09 <achipa> RST38h: actually, you are invalid for PR1.0, not sure if that's a blocker or not...
May 03 14:53:13 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: check out the LIRC docs about how to add new remotes
May 03 14:53:35 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: thanks
May 03 14:53:51 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: ...
May 03 14:54:02 <timeless_mbp> the policy i hit is something that complains about foo (< bar)
May 03 14:55:11 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: http://www.lirc.org/html/irrecord.html
May 03 14:57:25 <alterego> I couldn't sort mine out, as I don't know the brand of my TV :(
May 03 14:57:46 <alterego> On the plus side, we have an infrared decoder at work I was going to use to generate my own files :)
May 03 14:58:05 <alterego> I was slightly annoyed that no-one has a file for the Dell XPS media remote either ..
May 03 14:58:59 <DocScrutinizer> open up the remote, check the name of the chip used. google for that chip name to find other brands of remotes using same chip
May 03 14:59:32 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: I'll try that, I was contemplating doing it, but didn't think it'd be viable.
May 03 14:59:37 <alterego> HAve you had success in the past?
May 03 15:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes yes, sometimes no
May 03 15:01:36 <alterego> Well, I'm guessing that as it's a very cheap TV, that they'd use very common parts, so I was thinking it'd be pretty generic and available.
May 03 15:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> also skimming the lists of remote types and associated programming codes, as used by 'programmable universal ir-remote" sometimes help a lot
May 03 15:02:47 <SmokeyD> hey everyone. I am trying to get the nokia map loader to download maps on my N900. I see a lot of guides telling me it should work if I connect my phone in mass usb storage mode. But if I do and then start map loader, it complains that I should connect the phone in pc suite mode. If I do that, and start ovi maps, it complains that I need to start it in mass storage mode. Which is it?
May 03 15:03:01 <SimonLR> SmokeyD, stop using Map Loader.
May 03 15:03:22 <SmokeyD> SimonLR: how else should I do it?
May 03 15:03:38 <SmokeyD> or is there another mapper app that lets me get the map data offline?
May 03 15:04:00 <SimonLR> SmokeyD, please hold. I will find you this link.
May 03 15:04:11 <SmokeyD> SimonLR: Cool, thanks
May 03 15:05:53 <SimonLR> SmokeyD, http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/01/sideloading-nokiaovi-maps.html
May 03 15:06:05 <ShadowJK> tybollt, sorry? I missed the question
May 03 15:06:51 <ShadowJK> tybollt, Oh, well, it's the promised 2400mAh capacity, what more can I say :)
May 03 15:07:12 <ShadowJK> Actually depending on how you measure it, it would be perfectly marketable as 2500 mAh too :P
May 03 15:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: http://lgknowledgebase.com/kb/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=3252
May 03 15:07:43 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: for example
May 03 15:07:51 <timeless_mbp> Trizt and co: i think i have a set of things that might work
May 03 15:08:26 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: find your remote -> find other remotes using same codenumber
May 03 15:08:55 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: thanks, I'll have a look now :)
May 03 15:09:25 <SimonLR> SmokeyD, let me know if you have any problems
May 03 15:09:57 <SmokeyD> SimonLR: Cool, thanks a lot. Going to try it now
May 03 15:10:38 <ag0ny> Is it possible to increase the output strength of the IR-Sender of the Nokia N900? When I sit right in front of the tv Irreco works, if I sit back on the couch (where i would need a remote) it does not work.
May 03 15:10:51 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 03 15:11:04 <ag0ny> damn
May 03 15:11:05 <ag0ny> :D
May 03 15:11:25 <DocScrutinizer> but possibly N900 isn't operating on the exact carrier frequency
May 03 15:11:37 <ShadowJK> is the PWM fixed frequency?
May 03 15:11:47 <DocScrutinizer> which would result in a drastically reduced range
May 03 15:11:55 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: for sure not
May 03 15:12:07 <ShadowJK> User programmable somehow?
May 03 15:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> ssure
May 03 15:12:22 <ag0ny> DocScrutinizer: How can I find out the correct freq and is it possible to be set via software?
May 03 15:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> no idea
May 03 15:12:41 <ShadowJK> It's "supposed" to be 38kHz for everything
May 03 15:12:54 <ShadowJK> I guess inaccuracies in the receiver and in the transmitter can add up though
May 03 15:12:59 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: err, what?=
May 03 15:13:13 <ShadowJK> oh it isn't 38?
May 03 15:13:13 <DocScrutinizer> nonono
May 03 15:13:24 <X-Fade> There are a lot of carrier frequencies in use for IR remotes.
May 03 15:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> there's everything from 32KHz to 46KHz out there
May 03 15:13:44 <ShadowJK> hm
May 03 15:13:48 <SpeedEvil> yes, it can be set by software
May 03 15:14:02 <ShadowJK> This receiver I dug out of a dead VCR seems to pick up every remote I have :)
May 03 15:14:11 <ShadowJK> so I assumed the freq was same :D
May 03 15:14:25 <SpeedEvil> sensitivity may vary
May 03 15:14:42 <SpeedEvil> it may pick up its design freq at 10m, but others at only 3m
May 03 15:14:51 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
May 03 15:15:05 <tybollt> ShadowJK: ja but uhm...
May 03 15:15:07 <tybollt> like
May 03 15:15:16 <ag0ny> So, not much a hardware-related mildly knowledged, interested user can do...
May 03 15:15:22 <DocScrutinizer> and that's what I suspect we see with N900 short range of operation
May 03 15:15:49 <DocScrutinizer> as the IR LED itself is quite beefy
May 03 15:15:56 <tybollt> ShadowJK: "I'm loving the battery life but unfortunately since it is so bulky I have had three pairs of pants destroyed.
May 03 15:15:59 <tybollt> "
May 03 15:16:03 <ShadowJK> lol
May 03 15:16:04 <tybollt> that kind of :)
May 03 15:16:42 <ShadowJK> I have one pair of jeans in which it becomes a bit uncomfortable :)
May 03 15:17:04 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: is there a sysnode to adjust CIR freq?
May 03 15:17:13 <SimonLR> ShadowJK, so quit wearing those tight nut-huggers!
May 03 15:17:20 <ShadowJK> for sure
May 03 15:17:57 <ShadowJK> I think N900+Mugen is the first cellphone in a long time that I actually carry with me around the house
May 03 15:18:09 <ShadowJK> My previous few phones have had such bad battery life they always sat in a room on charger somewhere :P
May 03 15:18:46 <tybollt> ja
May 03 15:18:48 <centoslinux> Does Nokia N900 have WPA enterprise support?
May 03 15:18:52 <tybollt> I know the feeling :)
May 03 15:18:55 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I don't remember. It's hooked to a PWM unit though. So it's flexible
May 03 15:19:09 <DocScrutinizer> I know
May 03 15:19:35 <DocScrutinizer> PWM counters are quite flexible
May 03 15:20:18 <ShadowJK> tybollt, anyway the measurements are on the website, so just stuff your wallet with more loose change until it's as thick as N900 and then put it in your front pocket
May 03 15:21:33 <DocScrutinizer> usually you can adjust the frequency at a range of f(clock) * (2^16 / n) with n=1..2^15
May 03 15:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> and the pulsewidth in a range of 1/1..1/n
May 03 15:22:48 <tybollt> ShadowJK: I do not carry coins. If cashier hands me coins I flat out reject them or hand them back :)
May 03 15:22:57 <tybollt> ehr clerk
May 03 15:23:07 <SimonLR> ShadowJK, let's get a picture of this beast.
May 03 15:23:26 <DocScrutinizer> err,
May 03 15:23:34 <DocScrutinizer> usually you can adjust the frequency at a range of f(clock) / (2^16 / n) with n=1..2^15
May 03 15:23:43 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: wow
May 03 15:24:40 <tybollt> then there are these FUCKNUTS typicaslly in a conenience store that on breaking a hundred gives you like 9 tenner coins back... that I can tell you agravates me to no end...
May 03 15:25:27 <SmokeyD> SimonLR: It works very nicely. Thanks a lot. Is there any way to do the same for the mapper application (I guess it is called maemo mapper)? Make it use a cached version of google maps or open streetmap?
May 03 15:25:39 <MiXu-> I need coins for parking.
May 03 15:25:45 <tybollt> true
May 03 15:25:45 <SpeedEvil> SimonLR: yes
May 03 15:25:57 <tybollt> so you have a bunch of coins in the coin-sta
May 03 15:26:02 <SimonLR> SmokeyD, You'd have to talk to the author.
May 03 15:26:03 <tybollt> sh in the car console
May 03 15:26:19 <MiXu-> Altough fortunately you can usually pay your parking with a credit card where I live.
May 03 15:26:23 <SmokeyD> SimonLR: ok
May 03 15:26:49 <tybollt> MiXu-: jo,
May 03 15:26:54 <SimonLR> SmokeyD, glad it worked for you.
May 03 15:28:50 <peterloorke> Hi everyone i compiled my kernel to activate screen rotation on my N800 (to 2.26-1 omap1)
May 03 15:29:10 <peterloorke> Now i want to revert my kernel to the original one
May 03 15:29:31 <peterloorke> i found a n900 forum thread about this but not for a n800
May 03 15:29:38 <peterloorke> any suggesitons?
May 03 15:31:17 <ShadowJK> tybollt: n900 taking picture of itself in a mirror would be such an unhole fusion of emo and nerd, I refuse ;-)
May 03 15:31:29 <ShadowJK> s/unhole/unholy/
May 03 15:31:30 <infobot> ShadowJK meant: tybollt: n900 taking picture of itself in a mirror would be such an unholy fusion of emo and nerd, I refuse ;-)
May 03 15:31:56 <SimonLR> ShadowJK, He actually just wants to see the bulge in your pants.
May 03 15:33:04 <DocScrutinizer> we're not going to compete who's got the largest bulge in his pants, are we? ;-P
May 03 15:33:40 <MohammadAG_> wrong channel for doing that anyways
May 03 15:33:44 <tybollt> ShadowJK: FAIL - I didn't ask for pics
May 03 15:33:50 <MohammadAG_> #joystick is one
May 03 15:33:51 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK does.
May 03 15:33:56 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 03 15:33:58 <SpeedEvil> He's got an extended battery.
May 03 15:34:02 <SpeedEvil> it's bigger.
May 03 15:34:13 <tybollt> ShadowJK: If I was I'd /msg you and I'd surely ask you to show your bitchtits too ;-P
May 03 15:34:37 <ShadowJK> oh, oops
May 03 15:38:45 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: Found out info on the IR transmitter chip, can't seem to find a driver for lirc though :/
May 03 15:41:07 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: so either you get your feet wet and check the chip's datasheet for the format of the IR codes, then find a matching driver/confic for LIRC. Or you simply record the original remote and create your own
May 03 15:41:28 <alterego> I was thinking of the forme
May 03 15:41:30 <alterego> +r
May 03 15:41:41 <alterego> As I don't have a receiver here, it's at work
May 03 15:42:26 <DocScrutinizer> third possible approach is simply try&error
May 03 15:42:55 <SimonLR> What would you guys say if I had a functioning 2.6.28-x local kernel exploit?
May 03 15:42:58 <alterego> Heh
May 03 15:43:24 <alterego> SimonLR: Well, I'd say, tell kernel.org
May 03 15:44:39 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: would you think I was crazy if I tried to work out the codes from the piunout of the chip ;)
May 03 15:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> or use it to make real money ;-P
May 03 15:44:53 <DocScrutinizer> (just kidding)
May 03 15:45:03 * MohammadAG_ shrugs
May 03 15:50:14 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: you might work out the key matrix, but not the codes
May 03 15:50:52 <GeneralAntilles> alterego / Khertan, that actualy IS the MeeGo netbook UX.
May 03 15:51:04 <SpeedEvil> SimonLR: meh
May 03 15:51:24 <GeneralAntilles> The hilarious thing is that when Moblin became MeeGo (the super-open new Linux-based operating system from Intel and Nokia that's super open), it because super-closed.
May 03 15:51:25 <DocScrutinizer> and as codes for certain keys are mostly welldefined in all commonly used IR standards, you won't gain much this way
May 03 15:51:42 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, how is there a 3rd party packaging policy?
May 03 15:53:07 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: well, what am I looking for? The data codes for the keys?
May 03 15:53:09 <RST38h> how did it become closed?
May 03 15:53:09 <alterego> Timing information?
May 03 15:53:50 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, dunno.
May 03 15:54:08 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, presumably because of work to merge the two groups working in both companies.
May 03 15:54:18 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, but it seems a bit silly given the limited information I have.
May 03 15:54:42 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: dunno see bug i filed?
May 03 15:55:02 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, I fail at keeping up with Bugzilla for the past few months.
May 03 15:55:14 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_IR  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC-5
May 03 15:55:19 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: etc
May 03 15:55:28 <timeless_mbp> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10090
May 03 15:55:28 <povbot> Bug 10090: Unlocalizable string in Application breaks the 3rd party package policy
May 03 15:55:44 <timeless_mbp> => GeneralAntilles
May 03 15:56:27 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, I hate Andre's comments on your bugs.
May 03 15:56:34 * GeneralAntilles shakes fist at andre__.
May 03 15:56:35 <RST38h> General: On the Intel's side, at least, I do not see any changes
May 03 15:56:50 <andre__> GeneralAntilles, why?
May 03 15:57:05 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, because stupid Nokia devs need to manage their own damn bugs.
May 03 15:57:13 <andre__> so?
May 03 15:57:45 <GeneralAntilles> So, I'm tired of the idiotic bug tracking arrangement Nokia has forced upon us.
May 03 15:57:46 <timeless_mbp> the bug's assigned to someone
May 03 15:57:55 <timeless_mbp> who i think has a pulse
May 03 15:57:59 <timeless_mbp> let that guy deal w/ it
May 03 15:58:58 <andre__> okay, up to timeless to force that guy to comment on it...
May 03 15:59:45 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 03 15:59:54 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 03 15:59:57 <timeless_mbp> my package is empty
May 03 16:01:47 <timeless_mbp> ok, i need some help w/ debian packaging :(
May 03 16:02:10 <SmokeyD> wow, maemo mapper is also really cool. It just lets me specify the top-left and bottom-right corners and detail of the maps I want to download, and the source (google maps, osm, etc) and it downloads them for me for offline use,
May 03 16:02:10 <timeless_mbp> how do debian/rules and debian/control and debian/{packages}.install relate? :)
May 03 16:02:35 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's any chart or diagram or whatever to understand the organizational structures building up Nokia/maemo/meego etc pp
May 03 16:02:38 <_llll_> debian/rules is the makefile that does all the work
May 03 16:02:44 <timeless_mbp> _llll_: thanks
May 03 16:02:49 <_llll_> debian/control is for meta data
May 03 16:03:03 <_llll_> the install bits are from debhelper
May 03 16:03:09 <timeless_mbp> but the problem i'm having is figuring out how to ensure that the files rules generates end up in the proper packages
May 03 16:03:48 <_llll_> typcially the dh_install (or whatever it's called)  line in rules installs the files in install
May 03 16:05:15 <timeless_mbp> oh, doh
May 03 16:05:34 * timeless_mbp spots the bug
May 03 16:07:32 <_llll_> oh, it's just dh in the latest debhelper, not dh_* any more
May 03 16:07:57 <timeless_mbp> we don't use the latest dh :)
May 03 16:08:03 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 03 16:08:08 <timeless_mbp> ok, i'm still confused
May 03 16:08:25 <timeless_mbp> how do i debug this stuff?
May 03 16:09:00 <timeless_mbp> i have a package named "foo"
May 03 16:09:08 <_llll_> dh_installdeb and dh_builddeb do the work
May 03 16:09:08 <timeless_mbp> in my debian directory, i have debian/foo/
May 03 16:09:37 <_llll_> i would start by reading the output of "debuild" it shows what gets run
May 03 16:09:47 <_llll_> or however you are building the package
May 03 16:09:58 <timeless_mbp> in debian/foo/ is a directory tree 'usr/share/...'
May 03 16:10:11 <timeless_mbp> or 'opt/maemo/usr/share/...' really
May 03 16:10:21 <timeless_mbp> but those files don't seem to be in my .deb
May 03 16:10:56 <_llll_> directories only get created if a file is put there
May 03 16:11:06 <timeless_mbp> i think i found my problem
May 03 16:11:09 <_llll_> you can ship empty dirs with a debhelper command
May 03 16:11:22 <timeless_mbp> apt prefers foo_{arch}.deb over foo_all.deb, right?
May 03 16:11:30 <_llll_> not really "prefers"
May 03 16:11:50 <_llll_> i dont think it's allowed to have both in the same archive
May 03 16:12:05 <_llll_> call the arch:all one a different name or something
May 03 16:12:19 <timeless_mbp> not the same archive
May 03 16:12:28 <timeless_mbp> basically i once built foo_i386.deb/foo_armel.deb
May 03 16:12:36 <timeless_mbp> and then realized that those were empty/bad/wrong/useless
May 03 16:12:42 <timeless_mbp> so i started building foo_all.deb
May 03 16:12:53 <timeless_mbp> but i forgot to delete foo_{arch}.deb from my repo
May 03 16:14:03 <_llll_> i have no idea how apt will react to that, sounds unlikely to work, but i dnot know
May 03 16:15:47 * alterego wonders if he can use his wiimote as a CIR receiver
May 03 16:16:28 <Macer> hello
May 03 16:16:57 <alterego> Apparently the wiimote already works with lirc as a receiver, how awesome :D
May 03 16:17:23 <Macer> alterego: what have you used it woth so far?
May 03 16:17:43 <alterego> Sorry?
May 03 16:17:50 <Macer> doesnt the wiimote connect bt?
May 03 16:18:06 <Macer> have you tried it with a game?
May 03 16:18:15 <alterego> Yes, worked well with mario :)
May 03 16:18:23 <Macer> heh
May 03 16:18:33 <SmokeyD> hey everyone, Another question. I alway use tomboy as a note taking app and synchronize it between machines using sshfs. I found conboy for maemo 5, but is there a way to also synchronize it with sshfs s I have the same notes as in tomboy on my desktop?
May 03 16:18:34 <alterego> No, I mean using the wiimote's IR camera as an input for lirc for IR remote training.
May 03 16:18:54 <Macer> er
May 03 16:19:05 <Macer> why?
May 03 16:19:29 <alterego> "... for IR remote training" ...
May 03 16:19:50 <GAN900> lol
May 03 16:20:03 <_llll_> SmokeyD: rsync? or sshfs is avaialble somewhere i thought
May 03 16:20:14 <GAN900> Since buying an IR receiver costs money.
May 03 16:20:26 <alterego> Yes, quite a lot of money ..
May 03 16:21:19 <SpeedEvil> wiimote however can be paired with the n900 in principle
May 03 16:21:46 <lcuk> yeah speedevil its been demonstrated multiple times
May 03 16:21:49 <alterego> Yes, though using it with the N900 wasn't actually my end game ^.^
May 03 16:22:12 <alterego> Using the N900 as the remote once I've generated a config file otoh is ;)
May 03 16:22:42 <alterego> Of course, if I could wrap it all up nicely on the N900, then I'd just need to carry around a wiimote for remote training ^.^
May 03 16:22:44 <dottedmag> Is there a frontend for mplayer for N900 which provides GUI for selecting audio/video streams and subtitles?
May 03 16:25:05 <Macer> alterego. i still dont understand wjat you are doing
May 03 16:25:30 <Macer> using a wiimote to get ir codes then putting them on your n900
May 03 16:26:00 * luke-jr glares at Macer
May 03 16:26:11 <alterego> Using a wiimote with irrecord to geenerate a lircd configuration file which I can use on the N900 to control my TV ..
May 03 16:26:11 <pupnik> macer, join club
May 03 16:26:15 <Macer> :)
May 03 16:26:30 <pupnik> ohh
May 03 16:26:31 <Macer> alterego: awesome
May 03 16:26:38 <alterego> :)
May 03 16:27:48 <Macer> make one for an mce remote
May 03 16:27:49 <Macer> haha
May 03 16:28:13 <Macer> how is the wiimote sending it to the n900?
May 03 16:29:03 <luke-jr> ssh
May 03 16:29:08 <alterego> Erm, it's not ..
May 03 16:29:21 <alterego> At least, not how I was planning on using it.
May 03 16:32:14 <Shapeshifter> alterego: I don't get it.
May 03 16:32:36 <Shapeshifter> alterego: I thought the n900 can't receive anything.
May 03 16:34:36 <alterego> Yes, a wiimote has an IR camera inside it
May 03 16:35:00 <alterego> Though I'm not sure it's capable of the 38000Hz
May 03 16:35:31 <alterego> Actually, definitely not capable of that, I think the wiimote camera is about 100Hz ..
May 03 16:36:03 <SpeedEvil> you don't need to measure the 38000hz
May 03 16:36:12 <SpeedEvil> you measure the amount of IR
May 03 16:36:18 <SpeedEvil> and then you assume it's 38khz
May 03 16:36:25 <SpeedEvil> if it doesn't work, you try 40khz
May 03 16:36:27 <SpeedEvil> ...
May 03 16:38:44 <achipa> though, considering how crappy the front-cam is I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out it has no IR filter and you can record it straight away (well, within fps limits, obviously)
May 03 16:39:10 <SpeedEvil> The main cam has no IR filter.
May 03 16:39:16 <achipa> there you go
May 03 16:39:17 <SpeedEvil> Or at least a sucky one
May 03 16:39:34 <achipa> right, I recall having photos with heaters in the background looking way silly :)
May 03 16:39:36 <SpeedEvil> I have somewhere a pic of my toaster ovens elements glowing a bright purple.
May 03 16:39:57 <mikki-kun> hm, was there in pr1.2 supposed to be a change in the virtual keyboard layout?
May 03 16:41:27 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg25167.html WTF? 1707 reports CHRG_DET to bq24150. So we should be able to get a signal from there, no?
May 03 16:43:22 <SpeedEvil> signal of what?
May 03 16:43:41 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: also, on detecting external VBUS a device is supposed to enter gadget mode aiui. gadget mode means you have a 2k2 pullup on one dataline
May 03 16:44:10 <DocScrutinizer> this pullup will serve perfectly to detect the short on D+/-
May 03 16:44:30 <SpeedEvil> The comment I made on TMO?
May 03 16:44:33 <SpeedEvil> oh
May 03 16:44:45 <SpeedEvil> Can you actually sense the levels of the lines though
May 03 16:44:47 <DocScrutinizer> I don't really understand what kind of problem they are discussing there
May 03 16:45:53 <DocScrutinizer> USB charger spec is somewhat awkward, but it's not totally brainfucked
May 03 16:46:59 <bullet``> hello everyone
May 03 16:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> also watch THE DATE! 2009-12-08!!
May 03 16:47:18 <bullet``> i was readint a thread on tmo about pr1.2 rc
May 03 16:47:19 <SpeedEvil> I think it's a generic framework to gerect USB chargers on USB things connected to linux in general
May 03 16:47:36 <bullet``> nobody is mentioning the link to it
May 03 16:47:41 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: So - it was released by then.
May 03 16:47:47 <bullet``> whats so desasterous about that?
May 03 16:48:10 <bullet``> can anyone tell me where to download it ?
May 03 16:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> NO!!
May 03 16:48:19 <frals> no bullet``, its illegal to distribute it.
May 03 16:48:35 <SpeedEvil> It's basically warez at this point.
May 03 16:48:37 <DocScrutinizer> and it will wreck your N900
May 03 16:48:40 <bullet``> so how r so many ppl talking about it?
May 03 16:48:53 <_llll_> they werent, until you came in :[
May 03 16:49:01 <bullet``> it wont i think cuz so many ppl r pretty happy using it
May 03 16:49:02 <mikki-kun> most of them don't know what unoptimized software can do to hardware
May 03 16:49:35 <DocScrutinizer> me points to CHANNEL TOPIC
May 03 16:50:08 <bullet``> how have others got the pr12
May 03 16:50:10 <bullet``> ?
May 03 16:50:23 <frals> * Topic is 'Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/  ---  NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638289#post638289'
May 03 16:50:40 <MohammadAG_> lol was gonna ask DocScrutinizer to op up :P
May 03 16:50:48 <bullet``> oh
May 03 16:50:51 <brik> bullet``: it doesn't work yet, you don't want it
May 03 16:50:54 <lcuk> which channel/forum do hong kong people goto?
May 03 16:51:03 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, 0? :P
May 03 16:51:12 <Gary> so tempting to say " anyone got pr1.2? "
May 03 16:51:12 <lcuk> im serious
May 03 16:51:16 <MohammadAG_> on a more serious note, no idea
May 03 16:51:21 <|R> haha
May 03 16:51:23 <frals> lcuk: im curious as well, need to figure out where the asian n900 users hang out
May 03 16:51:28 <bullet``> brik, what about so many ppl using it already posting faster browser benchmarks
May 03 16:51:39 <lcuk> theres a lot of asian maemoers on the map
May 03 16:51:42 <frals> lcuk: i got an email from a .jp who had found a patch to fmms on some obscure blog
May 03 16:51:46 <lcuk> but we rarely see them around
May 03 16:51:52 <MohammadAG_> frals, tbh I've never seen non-english IRC channels
May 03 16:51:57 <MohammadAG_> but that's just me
May 03 16:52:02 <frals> lcuk: problem was none had bothered pinging me about it so i could patch master with it :/
May 03 16:52:03 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, thats because you dont look
May 03 16:52:14 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, did I say I did? :)
May 03 16:52:19 <lcuk> lol
May 03 16:52:22 <lcuk> yeah frals
May 03 16:52:30 <lcuk> its like russian deligation
May 03 16:52:34 <brik> bullet``: just wait until it comes out
May 03 16:52:40 <lcuk> theres a thriving community over there from what i hear
May 03 16:52:50 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, I propose #maemoHK
May 03 16:53:16 <lcuk> well you can propose all you want
May 03 16:53:18 <MohammadAG_> could be made into an official channel
May 03 16:53:24 <lcuk> but if they never visit freenode it wont be used
May 03 16:53:29 * MohammadAG_ takes away the bacon
May 03 16:53:29 <Khertan_n900> hi again
May 03 16:53:37 <MohammadAG_> hey Khertan_n900
May 03 16:53:44 <lcuk> hi Khertan_n900
May 03 16:53:44 <bullet``> whats wrong in just asking my question... i just want to know that the ppl who r discussing pr1.2 on tmo the ones who also r using it on their devices, how have they obtained it
May 03 16:53:57 <frals> bullet``: illegally
May 03 16:53:58 <MohammadAG_> illegally
May 03 16:54:02 <lcuk> mostly
May 03 16:54:03 <Khertan_n900> hi MohammadAG and lcuk
May 03 16:54:30 <frals> yeah, mostly illegally* i guess
May 03 16:54:35 <Khertan_n900> illegally
May 03 16:54:55 <SpeedEvil> All illegally.
May 03 16:54:56 * MohammadAG_ didn't get the mostly part
May 03 16:55:02 <SpeedEvil> Apart from the person that leaked it
May 03 16:55:02 <Khertan_n900> .
May 03 16:55:06 <lcuk> really SpeedEvil ? what about ari
May 03 16:55:07 * frals heads off to spam twitter some more about fmms
May 03 16:55:22 * MohammadAG_ assumes there's an update to fmms
May 03 16:55:36 <Khertan_n900> Someone else to answer : 'illegally'
May 03 16:55:39 <frals> SpeedEvil: nokians/subcontractors etc probably have it legally ;)
May 03 16:55:40 <bullet``> i dont get it than y not delete the whole thread? they r posting browser benchmarks, skype video calls etc and yet delete any post that mentions how to download it
May 03 16:55:41 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, im just gonna rename that button "new fmms"
May 03 16:55:42 <SpeedEvil> The ones commenting on aspects of the PR1.2 are typically the ones that haven't signed NDAs
May 03 16:55:45 <Khertan_n900> speedevil : not sure : it s can be leak from a trojan, backdoor, security hole
May 03 16:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> bullet``: please bother to read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638289#post638289 as suggested in the topic. Take it as a fact the NON-PR1.2 will damage your device, and just stop nagging about it here
May 03 16:55:56 <Khertan_n900> from a real tester
May 03 16:56:13 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, that sounds reasonable
May 03 16:56:42 <cowbot> is there some debian utility for editing changelog file?
May 03 16:56:47 <frals> dch
May 03 16:56:55 <Khertan_n900> lcuk : not sure that he sign an nda :)
May 03 16:57:21 <Khertan_n900> vi
May 03 16:57:25 <frals> lcuk: i need some RT love on twitter! ;)
May 03 16:57:34 <kthomas_vh> I am booting from memory card,  maemo will not recognize internal flash,  even after reformat,  any suggestions?
May 03 16:58:03 <Khertan_n900> praying ?
May 03 16:58:10 <SpeedEvil> how are you booting from card? And what fs are you trying to mount the internal flash with
May 03 16:58:28 <PerfDave> Who doesn't need RT love on Twitter? :p
May 03 16:58:47 <frals> lcuk, he only needs bacon
May 03 16:58:51 <chem|st> cowbot: vi?
May 03 16:59:18 <Khertan_n900> oups ...
May 03 16:59:36 <Khertan_n900> we are in may and i ve still not send my loaned n900 device
May 03 16:59:43 <kthomas_vh> SpeedEvil, bootloader;  internal flash was FAT32...
May 03 16:59:46 <Khertan_n900> ouch shame on me
May 03 17:00:07 <cowbot> tyty frals
May 03 17:00:09 <SpeedEvil> kthomas_vh: which internal flash
May 03 17:00:12 <frals> np
May 03 17:00:17 <lcuk> ok frals i retweeted "frals @anidel *rolleyes*"   for you
May 03 17:00:20 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: have you been doing actual development on it?
May 03 17:00:22 <frals> lol lcuk
May 03 17:00:23 <frals> :D
May 03 17:00:28 <kthomas_vh> SpeedEvil, n810,  (built-in)
May 03 17:00:44 <Khertan_n900> um who i should contact at nokia for the address to return the device they loan me ?
May 03 17:00:48 <SpeedEvil> kthomas_vh: ah - sorry - no clue on n810.
May 03 17:01:10 <kthomas_vh> np
May 03 17:01:13 <Khertan_n900> speedevil: i m always doing dev on it
May 03 17:01:13 <DocScrutinizer> kthomas_vh: you'll want to ask Stskeeps about it
May 03 17:01:30 <frals> Khertan: theres a thread on talk in community about it afaik
May 03 17:01:37 <andre__> yes there is
May 03 17:01:41 <Khertan_n900> for me n900 is the perfect python onboard developper tool !
May 03 17:01:43 <kthomas_vh> DocScrutinizer, tks
May 03 17:01:44 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: there have been comments about if you're doing dev stuff on it - then they may consuder leaving it with you
May 03 17:01:46 <Khertan_n900> thx frals
May 03 17:02:16 <Khertan_n900> speedevil : oh ...
May 03 17:02:30 <lcuk> frals, another tweet for you
May 03 17:02:30 <andre__> Khertan_n900, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49398
May 03 17:02:53 <Khertan_n900> thx to them ... but i m not sure they will like that i m doing dev on it and not publish to maemo repositories :)
May 03 17:02:57 <Khertan_n900> thx andre__
May 03 17:03:01 * frals runs away with all lcuks bacon
May 03 17:03:28 <cowbot> congrats on fmms / extras promotion
May 03 17:04:01 <frals> not promoted yet! need few more testers on latest version to make sure its safe
May 03 17:04:58 <frals> but thanks in advance! ;)
May 03 17:06:03 <cowbot> frals: i am taking a program with version (1.6.11-1) and changing significant parts for maemo/tablets.  so i should make version =(1.6.11-1maemo0) ?
May 03 17:06:30 <Khertan_n900> funny to see that it use less battery to phone during one hour than chatting on irc, coding during one hour ... :)
May 03 17:06:37 <frals> cowbot: dunno, http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines has the answer i think
May 03 17:07:11 <wazd> so I guess n900 is not supported by ovi suite even though it's listed on the nokia site :)
May 03 17:11:05 <Khertan_n900> ~ping
May 03 17:11:06 <infobot> ~pong
May 03 17:17:24 <alterego> I might unpack the PR1.1.1 release install a "You're an idiot" start upscreen and "leak" it as PR1.3
May 03 17:18:47 <cowbot> Has Nokia improved the quality of the speakers in N900 since initial release?
May 03 17:19:41 <cowbot> It seems like their supplier delivered some units that didn't perform up to spec reliably
May 03 17:20:18 <alterego> Yes, the leaked PR1.3 image I'm about to release will replace your internal speakers.
May 03 17:21:38 <cowbot> It would probably be NDA violation to comment on that, i guess
May 03 17:29:08 <GeneralAntilles> alterego, you're sick. :P
May 03 17:29:17 <GeneralAntilles> Switch the boot video out for a Rick Roll.
May 03 17:29:23 <GeneralAntilles> Oh god.
May 03 17:29:25 <GeneralAntilles> Please do that.
May 03 17:31:12 <Chiku> they opened back the thread about leaked PR1.2. cool
May 03 17:31:59 <GeneralAntilles> Chiku, why is that cool?
May 03 17:32:12 <alterego> Hahah
May 03 17:32:46 <alterego> GeneralAntilles: that's such a good idea ..
May 03 17:33:03 <alterego> IS there an app for _that_ ? :)
May 03 17:33:17 <GeneralAntilles> alterego, maybe to reduce the level of evil just make it a package you have to grab from some repo.
May 03 17:33:49 <alterego> I  think this might be a good oportunity to write an app that allows you to create your own PR1.2 releases and add stupid start up screens.
May 03 17:33:58 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
May 03 17:34:03 <alterego> It might disuade people from using images from dodgy sources :)
May 03 17:34:07 <GeneralAntilles> Emphasis on the stupid
May 03 17:34:28 <alterego> :)
May 03 17:34:35 <cowbot> who has done a QT app for maemo and symbian?
May 03 17:34:43 <cowbot> for studying
May 03 17:34:58 <alterego> cowbot: I've played, not really done anything production. Though I am working on one at the moment.
May 03 17:35:06 <DocScrutinizer> ~hail alterego
May 03 17:35:07 * infobot bows down to alterego and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
May 03 17:35:21 <frals> tmo just died?
May 03 17:35:36 <alterego> frals: HDD 100% usage reached ;)
May 03 17:35:48 <cowbot> alterego: you are forced to wait for pr1.2 to test on N900?
May 03 17:36:19 <alterego> cowbot: Well, I've been using an old version of Qt that's on 1.1
May 03 17:37:02 <opdf2> frals:  yeah im getting the same thing
May 03 17:37:22 <DocScrutinizer> cowbot: I'm not aware of sub par speaker component quality issues. But there's been a fix to avoid very low frequencies going to the speakers and fry them
May 03 17:38:49 <opdf2> anyone using gv + sipgate +sipsorcery? is it common to have delay during calls?
May 03 17:39:19 <DocScrutinizer> err, what?
May 03 17:39:36 <DocScrutinizer> I'm having 'gv' occasionally. :-P
May 03 17:39:45 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Something you said way back about the debug pads made me think you may have had a different version to me. I must have misunderstood or something, the photos of the debug pads are identical
May 03 17:39:58 <DocScrutinizer> and I got a sipgate account that works like a charm with N900 and N810
May 03 17:40:07 <opdf2> google voice
May 03 17:40:11 <GeneralAntilles> Mee
May 03 17:40:18 <GeneralAntilles> Boxwave protectors are finally here.
May 03 17:41:04 <opdf2> I'm hearing the other party okay, but when I talk they dont hear until 2-3 secs later
May 03 17:41:14 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: nah, I always just claimed there's no dif whatsoever between my debug pads and the photo in schem
May 03 17:41:23 <cowbot> DocScrutinizer: i have difficulty imagining that this software eq to prevent speaker damage was part of the initial device design ;)
May 03 17:41:35 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: hmm - maybe I misread the schem images then
May 03 17:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> for sure not
May 03 17:42:05 <DocScrutinizer> ^^^cowbot
May 03 17:43:02 <alterego> t.m.o runs off of MSISS?
May 03 17:43:14 <luke-jr> no, it runs off WinCE
May 03 17:43:24 <luke-jr> with some hacked up webserver
May 03 17:43:49 <DocScrutinizer> no it runs off a 770 farm
May 03 17:44:02 <DocScrutinizer> and we all know 770 is running maemo
May 03 17:44:08 <cowbot> DocScrutinizer: i guess there is no information on speaker fix/upgrade forthcoming.   I was hoping for one.  I love the headphone quality so much.
May 03 17:44:28 <DocScrutinizer> sorry don't get that
May 03 17:44:34 * microlith imagines a cluster of internet tablets
May 03 17:44:41 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Odd. The schem seems to match. I must just have gone briefly insane.
May 03 17:45:41 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: don't worry - happens to each of us every once in a while
May 03 17:46:08 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: fact is they swapped the AB for a B
May 03 17:46:12 <RST38h> Anyone with Karmic Koala here?
May 03 17:46:31 <DocScrutinizer> to say F*CK-U to usb.org cert authority
May 03 17:48:02 <MohammadAG> RST38h, wish I was on it...
May 03 17:48:19 <MohammadAG> Debian doesn't seem to detect my HDDs, as well as my CD drives
May 03 17:48:36 <MohammadAG> so I'm stuck with 10.04 crap
May 03 17:49:17 <RST38h> ?
May 03 17:49:24 * RST38h is considering upgrading to 10.04
May 03 17:49:27 <cato`> I learned not to upgrade on release when I went from 9.04 -> 9.10
May 03 17:49:31 <dubz11> MohammadAG: you could look into sidux, based on debian sid, and more hardware detection out of the box
May 03 17:49:42 <alterego> cato`: ditto, I wait one month ;)
May 03 17:49:56 <RST38h> MohammadAG: SB2 QEmu crashes on me when I try running dpkg
May 03 17:49:58 <MohammadAG> dubz11, I'd rather get the real Debian working
May 03 17:49:59 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: for the rest I see no idication whatsoever for the schem to be incorrect
May 03 17:50:09 <MohammadAG> RST38h, why SB2?
May 03 17:50:18 <RST38h> Because SB1 is too damn horrible
May 03 17:50:23 <cato`> alterego: I do too, hope for a smoother experience
May 03 17:50:34 <MohammadAG> imo SB2 is the same as Grub2
May 03 17:50:37 <RST38h> I am not running NFS to localhost just to access my host fs from SB1
May 03 17:50:40 <jebba> wiki down?
May 03 17:50:43 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Earlier I commented also about the components round the MMC - but that was bogus - as I diddn't realise there was a daughterboard
May 03 17:50:51 <MohammadAG> both were very unnecessary upgrades
May 03 17:50:56 <GeneralAntilles> Finally, a screen protector.
May 03 17:51:06 <MohammadAG> jebba, seems like it
May 03 17:51:14 <RST38h> well, to me sb2 is way better than sb1
May 03 17:51:21 <RST38h> But nobody seems to be supporting sb2 any more
May 03 17:51:26 <jebba> i dont do maemo stuff for weeks, go to do something, and its down..... pfft.
May 03 17:51:29 <MohammadAG> It's not just you! http://wiki.maemo.org  looks down from here.
May 03 17:51:42 <MohammadAG> (if anyone finds it useful http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.maemo.org)
May 03 17:51:47 <SpeedEvil> here too
May 03 17:51:57 <SpeedEvil> Maybe I broke it editing too fast!
May 03 17:51:59 <SpeedEvil> naah.
May 03 17:52:04 <Stskeeps> lo jebba
May 03 17:52:13 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, too slow.
May 03 17:52:26 <X-Fade> I see all hosts down from my end, so ISP issue?
May 03 17:52:42 <cowbot> sidux is an excellent way to do 'real debian'
May 03 17:52:45 <Stskeeps> meh, okay
May 03 17:52:55 <cowbot> just saves you some time and headaches
May 03 17:53:54 <X-Fade> All my ssh sessions just froze :(
May 03 17:53:56 <mtnbkr> gosh maemo.org is s-l-o-w
May 03 17:54:45 <mece> aaahaha windows 8 thread is killer!
May 03 17:55:11 <RST38h> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
May 03 17:55:15 <RST38h> shit
May 03 17:55:24 <mtnbkr> hhmmm   I just loaded it moments ago, found the thread for the app and went to submit a comment ... So it was up very recently for me  arg...
May 03 18:02:34 <frals> anyone know of a maemo python app thats using localization? need to see how its suppose to be odne :D
May 03 18:05:21 <mintux> is it possible to reinstall maemo 5 on nokia n900 / I would like to buy an n900 but I afraid I'll destroy it because im a linux user and I love to test everything on it. and I only buy it because of linux . so is it possible to install free version of maemo on it?
May 03 18:05:40 <microlith> mintux: yes, it is relatively trivial to reflash the device
May 03 18:07:07 <MohammadAG> frals, .po files
May 03 18:07:39 <MohammadAG> frals, this might help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_gettext
May 03 18:07:40 <korhojoa> is it just me or is the maemo wiki down?
May 03 18:08:01 <X-Fade> Not just you
May 03 18:08:08 <korhojoa> frals: get round to checking that picture sms thing?
May 03 18:08:17 <RST38h> Somebody installed leaked firmware to maemo.org 770s
May 03 18:08:23 <RST38h> And now they are dead
May 03 18:08:33 <mintux> microlith: so I can test everything on it and if it break I can change it to first day I have ?
May 03 18:08:35 <korhojoa> huh :D
May 03 18:08:56 <microlith> mintux: yes
May 03 18:09:00 <mintux> thanks
May 03 18:09:06 <frals> korhojoa: yeah, not gonna do it im afraid as its unrelated to mms :)
May 03 18:09:07 * cowbot is trying to make a working maemo package without autotools, just makefile
May 03 18:09:42 <DocScrutinizer> jebba was here and I missed him :-S
May 03 18:09:53 <frals> MohammadAG: yeah i know, just want to steal the code for it ;)
May 03 18:10:18 <MohammadAG> frals, run xgettext on the source :)
May 03 18:12:21 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (AB->B) the particularly funny bit about that is we got same confusion for gta01/02, and til today obody complained about the usb receptacle isn't actually a AB type. Probably due to the fact there are virtually no mini-A-plugs out there in the wild
May 03 18:15:06 <SpeedEvil> However - nokia gets lots more attention paid to them than someone shipping ~10000 units
May 03 18:15:58 <cowbot> is it possible to make packages for meego simpler please.  i am running out of time and this .deb stuff is still broken
May 03 18:18:23 <mintux> are there different between n900 made in Finland and china ? somebody say made in Finland is original
May 03 18:18:37 <ShadowJK> I think the ones made in Korea are original
May 03 18:18:47 <ShadowJK> prototypes were probably made in Finland
May 03 18:19:27 <ShadowJK> But you know, Nokia has a factory in china too, so it's entirely possible to see genuine Nokia N900 from China too.
May 03 18:19:54 <mintux> ShadowJK: so there is no different in quality ?
May 03 18:20:13 <X-Fade> mintux: If it is an original, then no.
May 03 18:20:19 <ShadowJK> I think random luck makes bigger difference ;)
May 03 18:20:33 <X-Fade> mintux: If it is a chinese clone, looking like a N900, then yes.
May 03 18:20:48 <ShadowJK> the clone ones don't even run the same operating system...
May 03 18:20:55 <X-Fade> Indeed :)
May 03 18:21:09 <X-Fade> phone-on-a-chip[tm]
May 03 18:21:10 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: on the other hand - they are $60, and have dual SIM! :)
May 03 18:21:17 <mintux> ShadowJK: you mean it's not nokia n900 and just like it ?
May 03 18:21:26 <Zeddy> why does the qt nokia maemo SUCK
May 03 18:21:27 <Zeddy> ? :)
May 03 18:21:33 <Zeddy> SDK i mean
May 03 18:21:40 <mintux> so I should looking for Korea
May 03 18:21:42 <Zeddy> kinda feel like fading away
May 03 18:21:48 <RST38h> Yes, why does it suck?
May 03 18:22:09 <ShadowJK> mintux, well there are genuine Made in China Nokia phones, and then there are fake Nokia phones
May 03 18:22:21 <Zeddy> well it sucks mainly because i do #include <QMessage>, only to find out QMessage contains one line: #include "qmessage.h"
May 03 18:22:26 <Zeddy> and qmessage.h is not included? :D
May 03 18:22:42 <Zeddy> wtf is up with getting my hopes up only to crush them on compile
May 03 18:22:48 <mintux> nokia n900 doesn't have usb host . means I can connect any hardware like printer ?
May 03 18:22:48 <Zeddy> stupid stupid stupid
May 03 18:23:04 <BCMM> mintux: well, there are bluetooth printers
May 03 18:23:13 <Zeddy> ../../../NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-1014-slim/usr/include/QMessage:1:22: error: qmessage.h: No such file or directory
May 03 18:23:13 <Zeddy> In file included from mainwindow.h:7,
May 03 18:23:16 <BCMM> and printers that can print from a mass-storage device
May 03 18:23:45 <mintux> and is it possible to install gcc compiler on maemo 5 or softwares like apache or ... ?
May 03 18:23:46 <BCMM> Noma: basically, you can't plug in USB sticks, but there are bluetooth versions of quite a few things...
May 03 18:24:01 <BCMM> mintux: pretty sure easy debian chroot does all of that
May 03 18:24:11 <mintux> it's great
May 03 18:24:22 <BCMM> as far as i know, it lets you install regular ARM debian stuff, but i haven't tried it
May 03 18:24:31 <ShadowJK> mintux, it is almost like a normal linux system. And you can have root access. So anyone who's a linux power user can do what linux gurus generally can do :)
May 03 18:24:31 <BCMM> Noma: sorry, meant taht for mintux
May 03 18:24:35 <lpotter> Zeddy: as far as I know, it has only been released as 'beta'
May 03 18:24:46 <BCMM> i'd say it is a normal linux system
May 03 18:25:24 <BCMM> mintux: i have seen some imitation n900s on the web
May 03 18:25:31 <mintux> so I can install it easily again if it break
May 03 18:26:00 <BCMM> they are basically a bit like those cheap chinese mp3 players in plastic ipod-shaped cases
May 03 18:26:32 <BCMM> they presumably make phone calls, but don't really have anything in common with an n900
May 03 18:26:35 <mintux> I want buy n900 because im a linux user and love terminal and programming on bash and do a lot of things with terminal
May 03 18:26:55 <mintux> how can I sure the n900 I found it made in korea ( and it's not just a label ) and it doesn't be fake phone
May 03 18:27:13 <lpotter> you can make phone calls with term on an Openmoko :)
May 03 18:27:35 <mintux> but openmoko doesn't has keyboard
May 03 18:27:55 <microlith> mintux: buy from a reputable vendor
May 03 18:28:29 <ShadowJK> hint: dealextreme doesn't sell genuine N900
May 03 18:28:57 <RST38h> weird
May 03 18:28:58 <mintux> microlith:in my location we can not trust to reputable vendor also
May 03 18:29:18 <ShadowJK> Do you have opportunity to try the device first?
May 03 18:30:02 <BCMM> example of an imitation n900: http://uk.nowsupplier.com/n900-qwerty-keypad-cell-phone-style-quad-band-dual-card-dual-camera-java-black-p-390.html
May 03 18:30:21 <BCMM> imho, that site doesn't make it anything like clear enough that it isn't actually a nokia product
May 03 18:30:59 <ShadowJK> real n900 doesn't have dualsim, and doesn't have java ;)
May 03 18:31:09 <RST38h> IT HAS GOT PORTRAIT MODE OMG
May 03 18:31:23 <alterego> RST38h: ?
May 03 18:31:26 <alterego> PR1.4?
May 03 18:31:26 <mintux> ShadowJK: why doesn't have java
May 03 18:31:38 * dottedmag facepalms
May 03 18:31:45 <BCMM> anybody recognise the OS on that?
May 03 18:31:54 <RST38h> alterego: the chinese knockoff
May 03 18:31:54 <mintux> ShadowJK: its linux and you can install everything
May 03 18:31:55 <BCMM> i can't imagine that they made one specially
May 03 18:32:17 <alterego> Heh
May 03 18:32:25 <ShadowJK> mintux, well there's sun's jvm you can download, and microemu from somewhere for j2me... but it doesn't come with java by default
May 03 18:32:35 <BCMM> although i suppose they might have thrown together a different-looking interface in java
May 03 18:32:47 <alterego> I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to flash the image, but I can wait. The only thing making me want it is having Qt 4.6 on there ..
May 03 18:32:48 <mintux> ShadowJK: hmm so you can have java if you want
May 03 18:32:56 <BCMM> i especially like the thing they have where the word "nokia" would be on an n900
May 03 18:32:58 <ShadowJK> Yeah but it is not easy.
May 03 18:32:58 <dottedmag> BCMM: just re-skinned something ready, I think.
May 03 18:33:08 <BCMM> it's low contrast so you can't read it in a photo :
May 03 18:33:10 <BCMM> :)
May 03 18:33:13 <Gizmokid2005> is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php erroring/not loading for anyone else?
May 03 18:33:48 <X-Fade> Yes, ISP has datacenter issues.
May 03 18:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> takes eterities but load for me
May 03 18:34:14 <Gizmokid2005> thanks X-Fade
May 03 18:34:15 <Dima202> wow, thats a very cool imitation
May 03 18:34:17 <Dima202> and cheap
May 03 18:34:25 <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: same here...it took forever to initially load as well.
May 03 18:34:40 <BCMM> Dima202: that's because it is, presumably, nothing like a modern smartphone
May 03 18:35:09 <DocScrutinizer> err, 700k storage???
May 03 18:35:36 <Dima202> lol, I'm glad I got the real thing
May 03 18:36:27 <BCMM> for a start, it mentions WAP - not a good sign
May 03 18:36:30 <lcuk> and we have had folks in #maemo wanting to do same
May 03 18:36:40 <lcuk> - that lol
May 03 18:36:46 <SpeedEvil> Mobile internet  WAP - it's 2000 again!
May 03 18:37:51 <mintux> ShadowJK: somebody says to me their phone broke up when they  installed different softwares . the problems like do not display images or another things . have you ever face to these problems or broke your phone ?
May 03 18:38:03 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: bloody facebook has started serving WAP pages to user agents it doesn't recognise
May 03 18:38:03 <DocScrutinizer> now THAT http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4207_Original-Nokia-N900-Dummy-Phone-puma-black.html  really is a cheap cool imitation
May 03 18:38:25 <aspidites> is it a bug that HILDON_SIZE_AUTO doesn't style the buttons when used?
May 03 18:38:38 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: ironically, i was looking at the full version of facebook on my phone while my desktop choked on the WAP version...
May 03 18:38:53 <aspidites> or that setting any other flag while the buttons are in a gtk.Table causes the background image to repeat?
May 03 18:39:25 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: "dummy phone" - does that mean it isn't actually a phone?
May 03 18:39:39 <aspidites> HILDON_SIZE_THUMB_HEIGHT for example
May 03 18:40:08 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: ah, is that the one made by nokia for shops to display?
May 03 18:40:20 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 03 18:41:28 * SpeedEvil ponders finding a nokia authorised service centre with a skip.
May 03 18:42:25 * DocScrutinizer wonders how they manage to switch to portrait mode on that thing, like suggested by the producr pictures
May 03 18:44:08 <hrw> morning
May 03 18:44:28 <DocScrutinizer> moaning
May 03 18:44:51 <hrw> ~curse nokia
May 03 18:44:52 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia !
May 03 18:44:57 <hrw> ~curse nokia again
May 03 18:44:57 <RST38h> hey, hrw, got a nasty problem that you may be able to help resolving
May 03 18:44:58 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia again !
May 03 18:45:03 <hrw> RST38h: go
May 03 18:45:19 <RST38h> hrw: Upgraded host to Karmic Koala (intel, 32bit)
May 03 18:45:35 <RST38h> hrw: Installed Karmic version of MaemoSDK+ (SB2, etc)
May 03 18:45:46 <qmid> ~curse nokia again
May 03 18:45:47 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia again !
May 03 18:46:04 <qmid> ~curse nokia again
May 03 18:46:05 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia again !
May 03 18:46:06 <RST38h> hrw: now, armel dpkg fails with a core dump every time I try installing a package (-i)
May 03 18:46:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~kick qmid
May 03 18:46:33 * infobot kicks qmid
May 03 18:46:37 <RST38h> hrw: sometimes, qemu writes something about illegal instruction *or* some functions not being found in libc.6
May 03 18:46:41 <hrw> RST38h: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr?
May 03 18:46:47 <qmid> sorry dude
May 03 18:46:54 <RST38h> hrw: I think I have done that, but let us see
May 03 18:46:57 <qmid> i was curious to see funny messages
May 03 18:47:04 <qmid> :)
May 03 18:47:07 <hrw> nokia suxx anyway
May 03 18:47:44 <qmid> the new phone seems to be good N8
May 03 18:47:57 <hrw> first they leaked pr1.2 then they try to scare users to not use it.
May 03 18:48:04 <qmid> plus the development is in Qt and not avcon
May 03 18:48:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell qmid about query
May 03 18:48:11 <hrw> qmid: it is symbian. it can not be good
May 03 18:48:25 <Stskeeps> hrw: was actually users themselves discovering adverse effects
May 03 18:48:30 <jaska> hrw: leaked pr1.2 so everyone would brick and the installed base of n900s would vanish :)
May 03 18:48:37 <qmid> DocScrutinizer, lol i agree, but things are changing i hope for good
May 03 18:49:26 <RST38h> hrw: OMG it worked
May 03 18:49:42 <hrw> RST38h: curse nokia for not updating qemu to 0.12+
May 03 18:49:49 <RST38h> eeeek
May 03 18:50:05 <RST38h> hrw: The funny thing is, NOBODY, including sdk+ people, could help me :(
May 03 18:50:21 <hrw> Stskeeps: so far I only saw errrors in extras packages
May 03 18:50:41 <hrw> upstart-job is not existing in 1.2 for example so goodbye IM addons
May 03 18:50:43 <Stskeeps> hrw: the issue is that they cannot downgrade again
May 03 18:50:58 <Stskeeps> disabling celluar modem which was updated
May 03 18:51:29 <hrw> Stskeeps: I will worry about it when it will break. so far it works
May 03 18:51:41 <Stskeeps> hrw: :nod:
May 03 18:51:52 <Stskeeps> not for the faint of the heart
May 03 18:51:53 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: seems we had that mmap-thing 24h to the past at most
May 03 18:52:15 <hrw> Stskeeps: and at 12 November I would probably use other phone then n900 so official pr1.2 will not interest me but second/third/etc owner of my n900
May 03 18:52:47 <RST38h> Ok, now, the second problem: How do I install squeeze tools on sb2? :)
May 03 18:52:55 <RST38h> But that should be a bit easier
May 03 18:53:02 <qmid> nokia always had leak problem all the time, but I think N8 is a good phone from Nokia after N97 problem.
May 03 18:53:04 * RST38h goes to install symbols first
May 03 18:53:09 <cowbot> any luck with that incorrect missing dependency RST38h ?
May 03 18:53:20 <hrw> Stskeeps: because there is one sure thing for me - next nokia maemo/meego device would need to cost me <100€ otherwise I go for other platform/vendor
May 03 18:53:25 <RST38h> cowbot: X-Fade told me what the problem was
May 03 18:53:29 <Stskeeps> hrw: mmkay
May 03 18:53:48 <RST38h> cowbot: But I also found out that things are pretty fucked up if you are using sb2
May 03 18:53:49 <cowbot> is anyone online who can take a look at maemo.org and figure out why it isn't responding?
May 03 18:54:18 <qmid> cowbot, yeah i am seeing the same problem
May 03 18:54:42 <RST38h> hrw: ah come one, there is no better phone than n900 in terms of flexibility
May 03 18:54:56 <hrw> Stskeeps: they have nice hardware team but software teams suxx too much
May 03 18:55:03 <MohammadAG> <hrw> upstart-job is not existing in 1.2 for example so goodbye IM addons
May 03 18:55:07 <qmid> actually maemo.org loaded, but it very slow
May 03 18:55:11 <MohammadAG> I have the old packages that work :P
May 03 18:55:12 <hrw> RST38h: sure, but this is closed development
May 03 18:55:18 * RST38h tried the Nexus One last time he was to US. Feels like a toy compared to N900
May 03 18:55:25 <RST38h> hrw: ah, that's different
May 03 18:55:27 <Jaffa> timeless: Related to bug 4754?
May 03 18:55:50 <hrw> RST38h: I do not even bother with reporting bugs for maemo. 105% of them gets WONTFIX, other gets ignored
May 03 18:56:24 <mgedmin> speaking of bugs
May 03 18:56:25 <hrw> RST38h: any 'please improve your app by doing X' ends with MOVED to brainstorm == fuck you user very much
May 03 18:56:49 <mgedmin> did anybody notice that typing 'xyzzy' in the on-screen VKB and pressing the Enter virtual key actually sends "\nxyzzy" to the program running in the terminal?
May 03 18:57:06 <RST38h> hrw: Well, it *is* a bit better than Maemo4
May 03 18:57:17 <hrw> RST38h: I think that next step is get current hw and work on some working system + dialer/etc
May 03 18:57:18 <MohammadAG> mgedmin, "xyzzy\n" here
May 03 18:57:19 <lpotter> hrw: hate to inform you, but maemo is not low end
May 03 18:57:30 <RST38h> hrw: But yes, in many cases it feels like reimplementing Nokia apps is the only reasonable way to get thigns working
May 03 18:57:31 <GAN900> hrw, bullshit.
May 03 18:57:35 <MohammadAG> actually both, it depends on the weather I think
May 03 18:57:36 <hrw> RST38h: becaue n8x0 was sold in much less amount then n900
May 03 18:58:04 <GAN900> hrw, I've run the numbers on WONTFIX and that claim is clearly not even vaguely related ever to hyperbole.
May 03 18:58:05 <hrw> lpotter: you mean?
May 03 18:58:06 <mgedmin> MohammadAG: yes, I also see both
May 03 18:58:29 <lpotter> hrw: meaning maemo is not in low end phones
May 03 18:58:32 <hrw> bug 6993
May 03 18:58:38 <mgedmin> in vim I usually see "\nxyzzy", though
May 03 18:58:42 <MohammadAG> hrw, *maemo.org down
May 03 18:58:42 <RST38h> GAN: I guess the problem is that the *important* bugs are not getting fixed
May 03 18:58:43 <hrw> lpotter: maemo is in just *one* phone
May 03 18:58:44 <mgedmin> which screws up things like you wouldn't believe
May 03 18:58:52 <mgedmin> povbot, bug 6993
May 03 18:59:03 <povbot> mgedmin: Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6993 Bluetooth handsfree loss of sound brand jabra BT2050
May 03 18:59:03 <MohammadAG> *maemo.org down....
May 03 18:59:10 <pupnik> i bet RST38h broke maemo.org :P
May 03 18:59:12 <GAN900> RST38h, also bullshit
May 03 18:59:14 <RST38h> GAN: And I do not even pretend to claim personal importance here
May 03 18:59:25 <MohammadAG> yeah povbot, go ahead, post the link to show *mameo.org is up
May 03 18:59:28 <hrw> povbot: bug 6933
May 03 18:59:39 <povbot> hrw: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
May 03 18:59:46 <mgedmin> mwahahahahahaa
May 03 18:59:54 <hrw> povbot: bug 6933
May 03 19:00:02 <marcusmoller> Heya. Anybody know how to make VNC Viewer work with openGL apps on my unix machine? I tried running WoW on my remote desktop, but it was like a frozen image
May 03 19:00:05 <povbot> hrw: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
May 03 19:00:17 <RST38h> GAN: The Evil PA Bug, The Hardware Keyboard Bug, POP3, The Slowdown Bug <== none of them are getting fixed
May 03 19:00:18 <mgedmin> "Error: timed out"
May 03 19:00:20 <mgedmin> in the logs
May 03 19:00:35 <hrw> lpotter: and it looks like 'we released hw, did 2 updates and let users be happy'
May 03 19:00:35 <RST38h> GAN: And these are big, bad motherfuckers
May 03 19:00:41 <microlith> Evil PA / hw keyboard bug?
May 03 19:00:42 <mgedmin> I'm guessing it can't access maemo.org
May 03 19:00:46 <mgedmin> which is funny, since I can
May 03 19:01:09 <hrw> lpotter: there is not even maemo UI style compatible Qt for normal users available
May 03 19:01:23 <RST38h> microlith: Evil PA Bug - when Media Player is playing music, any 3rd party app using PulseAudio will lack sound, then hang on exit
May 03 19:01:30 <hrw> lpotter: qt 4.5/maemo does not follow UI, qt 4.6/maemo is not available for users
May 03 19:01:45 <mgedmin> hm, I can get the front page of b.m.o, but not do anything with it
May 03 19:01:53 <mgedmin> well, it randomly times out
May 03 19:01:59 <RST38h> microlith: HW Keyboard Bug - Ctrl+Space does not switch keyboard layouts as it should, UNLESS you have got a Russian N900
May 03 19:02:14 <hrw> bug 6933 is example of how simple things can be fucked up and no one cares about it even if it looks like <1h fix
May 03 19:02:17 <mgedmin> bug 8750
May 03 19:02:20 <microlith> ahh
May 03 19:02:23 <hrw> etc etc etc
May 03 19:03:04 <lpotter> hrw: wait for it :)
May 03 19:03:06 <hrw> sure, maybe android is not so great as people say but at least there is something moving there. maemo5 has only users waiting for mystical pr1.2
May 03 19:03:08 <RST38h> And you have probably all experienced system performance deterioration after 5-7 days uptime...
May 03 19:03:35 <hrw> lpotter: I am waiting for few months already and I got tired
May 03 19:03:43 <microlith> at 12 now, no issues
May 03 19:03:47 <hrw> lpotter: I dropped any development of my ideas
May 03 19:04:07 <hrw> lpotter: even Qt documentation lies about maemo things
May 03 19:04:26 <RST38h> hrw: It makes sense writing stuff in a portable way, then adopting it to whatever gadget comes handy
May 03 19:04:30 <hrw> lpotter: autorotation is simple - documentation says.... but forgets to add "you need to work for Nokia to have it"
May 03 19:04:44 <RST38h> hrw: [of course, it means rendering the whole UI by hand into a bitmap :)]
May 03 19:04:50 * DocScrutinizer yawns, prods povbot, and heads out for dinner
May 03 19:05:01 <mgedmin> hrw, you presume a $random_developer @ Nokia could have it just by asking
May 03 19:05:02 <lpotter> hrw: autorotation should be banned
May 03 19:05:02 <hrw> RST38h: sure, but I like to use qt 4.6 in app. maemo5 does not allows me to give my app to users
May 03 19:05:22 <RST38h> hrw: Why? Isn't Qt4.6 universal?
May 03 19:05:29 <RST38h> Or is there some license problem?
May 03 19:05:31 <microlith> not until Pr1.2 comes out
May 03 19:05:34 <Mousey> Qt is GPL
May 03 19:05:35 <hrw> mgedmin: I know that not everyone but I am talking about maemo related morons^Wdevs
May 03 19:05:36 <RST38h> Ah that
May 03 19:05:38 <mgedmin> I'd expect a big bureaucratic process banning autorotation for all apps not explicitly listed in The Original Design  or something
May 03 19:05:40 <lcuk> i want meego ux on dalek technology
May 03 19:05:40 <RST38h> Mousey: LGPL
May 03 19:05:43 <Mousey> k
May 03 19:05:53 <lcuk> the nice colored ones they rolled out a couple of weeks ago :D
May 03 19:05:53 <hrw> RST38h: users of current firmware do not ahve qt 4.6
May 03 19:06:00 <hrw> RST38h: users do not use extras-devel
May 03 19:06:03 <RevdKathy> @lcuk: meego exterminate!
May 03 19:06:11 <RST38h> hrw: Well, Khertan jumped ship
May 03 19:06:13 <frals> evening RevdKathy o/
May 03 19:06:17 <RevdKathy> Tellytubbie daleks?
May 03 19:06:22 <RevdKathy> Evening frals
May 03 19:06:23 <RST38h> hrw: So can everybody else
May 03 19:06:29 <hrw> RST38h: I understand him
May 03 19:06:33 <frals> RevdKathy: hows you?
May 03 19:06:33 <RST38h> me too
May 03 19:06:42 <hrw> RST38h: there is nearly no one left anyway. never was
May 03 19:06:48 <RevdKathy> fine, thanks :) you?
May 03 19:06:50 <RST38h> hrw: As to Qt4.6 availability, I do hope that damn update will come during the next 2 weeks
May 03 19:06:51 <hrw> maemo does not have luck to have developers
May 03 19:07:02 <hrw> RST38h: 12 November
May 03 19:07:06 <RST38h> ahhahaha
May 03 19:07:14 <mgedmin> noooooo please don't time out on process_bug.cgi!
May 03 19:07:22 <frals> RevdKathy: tis good, went to the doctor today to have a look at my cough, got a prescription for cocillana so im all good ;)
May 03 19:07:38 * hrw -> out as this is getting boring as always when it comes to pr1.2 related talk
May 03 19:07:47 <hrw> have a nice whatever
May 03 19:07:52 <RST38h> g'night
May 03 19:07:54 <RevdKathy> Ouch! Bugs in your lungs!
May 03 19:08:22 <RevdKathy> Hoodnight RST38h
May 03 19:08:57 <RevdKathy> or even Goodnight
May 03 19:08:58 * RST38h isn't leaving yet. There is a nasty dependency problem to resolve
May 03 19:10:00 <frals> RST38h: hate when dependency-hell prevents me from going to bed!
May 03 19:10:19 <RST38h> frals: well, looks like I am gonna lose this battle
May 03 19:10:36 <RST38h> no way to squeeze squeeze into sb2
May 03 19:14:53 <Khertan> <RST38h> hrw: Well, Khertan jumped ship <<< ??? gnié ?
May 03 19:15:35 <frals> i assume he meant you created your own repo
May 03 19:15:38 <RST38h> Khertan: Were discussing extras
May 03 19:15:54 <maddler> evening all
May 03 19:16:03 <frals> ello
May 03 19:16:14 <Khertan> RST38h, ah :)
May 03 19:16:17 <Khertan> so ... :)
May 03 19:16:46 <Khertan> lol b.m.o seems down here :)
May 03 19:16:46 <frals> quick hide its sjgadsby
May 03 19:16:59 <frals> Khertan: pretty much everything except talk is acting up
May 03 19:17:26 <RST38h> ok, time to read something then hit the bed
May 03 19:17:38 <frals> nn RST38h
May 03 19:17:39 <lcuk> wont that hurt?
May 03 19:18:04 <Khertan> frals .... and talk should be the things to down :)
May 03 19:18:11 <frals> my bed is pretty soft, dunno what youre sleeping in thou lcuk
May 03 19:18:24 <RST38h> lcuk: depends on who is already there.
May 03 19:18:41 <sjgadsby> Huh. Frals talking about a 1.0 release of fMMS really DOES bring everything crashing down.
May 03 19:18:47 <frals> :D
May 03 19:20:38 <frals> hmm
May 03 19:20:50 <frals> anyone wanna give him a tempban so we dont have to watch the quit/join flood?
May 03 19:20:57 * frals takes a look over at DocScrutinizer
May 03 19:22:35 <lostinmirkwood> is anyone else having an issue with vcs.maemo.org?
May 03 19:23:48 <mgedmin> no, but I'm having an issue with bugs.maemo.org
May 03 19:24:35 <SpeedEvil> it's all broken
May 03 19:24:40 <marcusmoller> Any way to speed up the vnc? I am using x11vnc on my Arch Linux.
May 03 19:24:44 <marcusmoller> Using VNC Viewer
May 03 19:28:22 <frals> wow, glad im not using swedish localization on the device
May 03 19:29:41 <mece> wiki.maemo.org down?
May 03 19:30:02 <mece> oh righty.
May 03 19:30:14 <Stskeeps> frals: i thought same about danish
May 03 19:30:32 <mece> frals, what's wrong with swedish localization?
May 03 19:31:13 <frals> im only using it to see what fmms looks like in swedish atm, and "delete message?" has been translated "vill du ta bort meddelande?"
May 03 19:31:18 <frals> which just sounds wrong :<
May 03 19:32:40 <frals> id explain why its wrong, but i have no idea what the grammar terms are called in english :D
May 03 19:32:41 <Surfa> then you would probably like to contribute in localization
May 03 19:33:32 <frals> Surfa: i should probably file a bug against that at least
May 03 19:33:55 <Surfa> probably yes
May 03 19:34:10 <Surfa> at least if youre native?
May 03 19:34:34 <frals> yes
May 03 19:36:05 <Scelt> frals: it sound just fine :D
May 03 19:36:09 <Surfa> but remember that translations should stay somehow in line with other devices
May 03 19:36:16 <frals> Scelt: no it doesnt :P
May 03 19:36:31 <frals> Scelt: it should be meddelandet
May 03 19:37:05 <frals> shame bugs.maemo.org is timing out ;(
May 03 19:37:50 <lostinmirkwood> <mece> seems everything is down...
May 03 19:38:07 <andre__> ISP is down according to Niels.
May 03 19:38:29 <andre__> as stated on http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ .
May 03 19:39:33 <__a> frals, Scelt: "Ta bort meddelande?" eller "Vill du ta bort meddelandet?" imho
May 03 19:39:49 <frals> __a: yeah
May 03 19:41:11 <alterego> I will laugh if the md5sum of the geniune PR1.2 is identical to that of the leaked one ^.^
May 03 19:41:14 <pablo2> Hi , guys, How to acess the camera in n900, using dbus gstream?
May 03 19:41:36 <alterego> pablo2: gstreamer, uses the standard v4l2src
May 03 19:41:47 <DocScrutinizer51> strange, so mething set my xchat net_ping_timeout to 60
May 03 19:41:50 <__a> frals, Scelt: just got my n900 yesterday... is there a swedish channel/community?
May 03 19:42:04 <frals> __a: #maemosweden afaik
May 03 19:42:23 <frals> and maemosweden.com or something
May 03 19:42:32 <ZogG> frals are you from sweden?
May 03 19:42:33 <Scelt> frals, __a: I'm a Finn so don't listen to me
May 03 19:42:42 <frals> ZogG: yepp
May 03 19:42:49 <__a> frals:  k, thnx!
May 03 19:42:49 <frals> Scelt: figured... ;-)
May 03 19:42:54 <ZogG> frals my ex was sweden
May 03 19:42:58 <__a> Scelt:  hehe ok
May 03 19:43:06 <ZogG> but she turn to be bitch and broke my heart
May 03 19:43:19 <Scelt> frals: I actually meant to say it only to __a cos I thought you already know. as we once talked about it already :)
May 03 19:43:38 <frals> Scelt: aye ^^
May 03 19:44:02 <ZogG> frals Akander her surname if maybe you know her )
May 03 19:44:36 <Scelt> frals: when you use "borta"? "Vill du ta det borta?" sounds fine to me but I think I'm forgetting some very strict rule about something
May 03 19:45:13 <ZogG> bra is good in swedish
May 03 19:45:26 <frals> Scelt: 'borta' is more like gone
May 03 19:45:37 <ZogG> MohammadAG, hey
May 03 19:45:47 <Scelt> frals: oh, okay. so it's a fine word but used to another purpose
May 03 19:45:53 <frals> Scelt: yeah
May 03 19:45:55 * ZogG mp> The.Drawn.Together.Movie.The.Movie.720p.Bluray.X264-DIMENSION.mkv [1280x720 avc1 23.976fps]
May 03 19:46:16 <Scelt> ZogG: stop warezing
May 03 19:46:28 <ZogG> Scelt =(
May 03 19:46:32 <Scelt> frals: thx for the tip :)
May 03 19:46:39 <ZogG> i'm drinking on my bday - can i annoy once =)))
May 03 19:48:42 <lcuk> holy crap - looking the part already: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=641035&postcount=35
May 03 19:48:52 <DocScrutinizer51> taurus - like me :-)
May 03 19:49:39 <lcuk> "<ZogG> frals my ex was sweden"
May 03 19:49:45 <lcuk> ZogG, you dated a country?
May 03 19:50:24 <RevdKathy> I call that STAMINA!
May 03 19:50:31 <korhojoa> :D
May 03 19:50:32 <pupnik> :D
May 03 19:50:35 <ZogG> lcuk swidish
May 03 19:50:39 <ZogG> swedish
May 03 19:51:00 * lcuk pokes RevdKathy 
May 03 19:51:04 <ZogG> damn, can you excuse drunk russian guy
May 03 19:51:12 * RevdKathy pokes lcuk back
May 03 19:51:32 <RevdKathy> ZogG - excused and absolved
May 03 19:51:44 <lcuk> ZogG, you would have to be drunk
May 03 19:51:49 <ZogG> RevdKathy =*
May 03 19:51:55 <lcuk> "i woke up in vegas with a massive headache and a country as a wife"
May 03 19:51:58 <arnor> hi all!
May 03 19:52:01 <lcuk> i cant remember its name tho
May 03 19:52:03 <andre__> harhar
May 03 19:52:24 <ZogG> =(
May 03 19:52:30 <arnor> could someone tell me where I could find the package named "upstart-job", please?
May 03 19:52:41 <lcuk> dont worry ZogG you can get it annuled :D
May 03 19:52:58 <ZogG> from the word anal?
May 03 19:53:05 <ZogG> hmm
May 03 19:53:08 <ZogG> it was too much sorry
May 03 19:53:14 <andre__> arnor, why?
May 03 19:53:24 <ZogG> i should prob stop talking till i get myself in trouble
May 03 19:53:37 <arnor> it appears to be missing when I try to install Pidgin plug-in
May 03 19:53:47 <DocScrutinizer51> lcuk: 'fear and loathing...'?
May 03 19:53:49 <andre__> arnor, maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10006#c1 helps?
May 03 19:53:50 <povbot> Bug 10006: Msn (Haze) changes port settings to -2147483648 by itself
May 03 19:54:26 <arnor> andre__: thanks, I'll see that
May 03 19:55:40 <SimonLR> I just punched a baby
May 03 19:55:41 <RevdKathy> maemo.org server is reported to be back
May 03 19:56:08 * mece looks away from the leak fw thread clenching his fists.
May 03 19:56:14 <lcuk> SimonLR, :S
May 03 19:56:21 <andre__> at least bugs.maemo.org works for me again so I hope the rest is available again too
May 03 19:56:24 <DocScrutinizer51> ohnoes
May 03 19:56:30 <SimonLR> lcuk, YOU WANT SOME OF THIS?!
May 03 19:56:55 <lcuk> no and i'd rather you didnt use language and mannerisms like that around here
May 03 19:57:13 <ZogG> who is quip or someone with nick similar to this?
May 03 19:57:32 <lcuk> qgil - quim gil ?
May 03 19:57:34 <mece> OMG aaahahaha.
May 03 19:58:14 <chem|st> lcuk: true
May 03 19:58:17 * mece is reading the leaked rc thread
May 03 19:58:35 <SimonLR> lcuk, calm down. It's called humor.
May 03 19:58:44 <mece> LOOL
May 03 19:58:51 <mece> this thread is comedy gold!
May 03 19:59:02 <pupnik> i need a job where i get to beat people up.  so i can vent the frustration from my hobby
May 03 19:59:05 <mece> my favorite so far: "This IS supposed to be a debate but STILL none of you agree to a thing i have said" Bwyuahahahahaaa
May 03 19:59:31 <Jaffa> mece: Ha. URL?
May 03 19:59:43 <mece> jaffa, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=640696&postcount=561
May 03 19:59:46 <DocScrutinizer51> pupnik: usuallz it's other waz round
May 03 19:59:50 <mece> it's , you guessed it, abill_uk
May 03 20:00:15 <microlith> dude has a screw loose
May 03 20:01:39 <mece> I think he's the most entertaining poster for a very long time.
May 03 20:01:44 <pupnik> Didn't realize you were a qwerty typer with a qwertz device, DocScrutinizer51 :)
May 03 20:02:07 <DocScrutinizer51> I am since a wek
May 03 20:02:22 <DocScrutinizer51> but the other way round
May 03 20:02:59 <DocScrutinizer51> week even
May 03 20:04:38 <ZogG> lcuk he said as pr was leaked it would be released tomoorow
May 03 20:04:43 <ZogG> he was here
May 03 20:04:57 <ZogG> i'm not sure if it was really him
May 03 20:05:13 <lcuk> ok well grep back yourself and find a proper quote
May 03 20:05:35 <lcuk> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/
May 03 20:07:57 <mece> qgil hasn't been here since 2010-03-10
May 03 20:08:54 <lcuk> well i didnt think so either, hence asking for proper quotes
May 03 20:10:41 <DocScrutinizer51> ~seen qgil
May 03 20:10:44 <infobot> qgil <~qgil@a88-112-27-165.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 33d 21m 17s ago, saying: 'ever'.
May 03 20:10:45 <mintux> somebody said the original nokia n900 is from Korea but here we have made in Finland http://senseapplied.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/NokiaN900Inside.jpg ?
May 03 20:11:44 <mece> minitux, preprod devices were made in finland
May 03 20:11:45 <mintux> its fake ?
May 03 20:11:47 <DocScrutinizer51> doesn't matter where it's built
May 03 20:12:59 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, #meego, these days.
May 03 20:13:04 <mintux> DocScrutinizer51: why ? we have faked chines has symbian
May 03 20:13:29 <DocScrutinizer51> there's no such thing like Nokia N900 fakes afaik
May 03 20:14:04 <DocScrutinizer51> there's lookalikes and dummy 'phones'
May 03 20:15:03 <ShadowJK> it'd be pretty obvious
May 03 20:15:15 <ShadowJK> The real thing has x-terminal ;-)
May 03 20:15:58 <ZogG> lcuk, found it - it wasn't quim )
May 03 20:16:02 <DocScrutinizer51> and uname -a
May 03 20:16:03 <ZogG> squidd	Nokia will release it tuesday. Now that its out in the open anyways theres no reason to hold it back
May 03 20:16:14 * ZogG sys Linux 2.6.33-gentoo [965P-S3; x86_64 Desktop]
May 03 20:16:21 <ZogG> ^uname -a
May 03 20:16:34 <ShadowJK> what did you find where?
May 03 20:17:06 <ShadowJK> and, um, I hope they aren't going to release this allegedly unstable thing :)
May 03 20:17:16 <ZogG> hope too
May 03 20:17:50 <SpeedEvil> q\\
May 03 20:17:52 <SpeedEvil> q
May 03 20:18:05 <SpeedEvil> 1.2 rc may not be the current release candidate
May 03 20:18:58 <ShadowJK> perhaps :)
May 03 20:19:21 <mece> wohoo! found the ignore function :D
May 03 20:19:31 <mece> although... is it wise. I'd miss a lot of entertainment.
May 03 20:19:49 <mtnbkr> mintux: mine says "Designed in Finland" and inside the battery compartment "Made in Korea"
May 03 20:20:12 <alterego> So did Quim notify this abill_uk idiot to revert his N900 and wait until tomorrow?
May 03 20:20:20 <alterego> I was wondering what his post meant ..
May 03 20:20:30 <DocScrutinizer51> whatever current release candidate and 1.2rc might mean here
May 03 20:20:36 <lcuk> it was not quim
May 03 20:20:49 <ZogG> mece, i hope not me is ingored - thoug it's fair
May 03 20:21:01 <ZogG> alterego, perhaps not
May 03 20:21:01 <mintux> mtnbkr: so the im looking for korea ? because the Finland has price higher than made in korea here
May 03 20:21:14 <ZogG> not sure who was it?
May 03 20:21:20 <microlith> mintux: where are you looking?
May 03 20:21:32 <mece> ZogG, why would I ignore you?
May 03 20:21:37 <mintux> microlith: IRAN
May 03 20:21:44 <alterego> Well, I'm sure someone contacted him, otherwise I can't work out any reason for him to know there's an update in "36 hours" ..
May 03 20:21:48 <microlith> OH, that makes things... interesting
May 03 20:21:58 <ZogG> mece, because i'm drunk and act like an ass
May 03 20:22:26 <RevdKathy> ZogG that's a reason to follow you! Much more fun. :D
May 03 20:22:40 <ZogG> RevdKathy haha
May 03 20:22:51 <mintux> there are no warranty here . so I should be careful what will I buy . because I can't fix it or change it
May 03 20:23:03 <ZogG> RevdKathy, my tweeter in russian and i'm sad f#$k
May 03 20:23:08 <mece> RevdKathy, still, I think abill_uk has raised the bar for crazy posting by a mile today!
May 03 20:23:43 <RevdKathy> I'm not convince he isn't OrangeBox's Bastard brother come home from the war
May 03 20:24:04 <lcuk> doesnt god still have the record for crazies per day
May 03 20:24:21 <RevdKathy> Would be appropriate, lcuk
May 03 20:24:26 <mintux> mece:prototypes is better or worst ?
May 03 20:24:27 <ZogG> i spent a lot of money on n900 - more that i can and sometimes i feel pity but i'm happy with it after all
May 03 20:24:28 <mintux> shit
May 03 20:24:29 <mece> lcuk, huh.. right, but that was different.
May 03 20:24:33 <mintux> mece: prototypes is better or worst ?
May 03 20:24:47 <mece> mintux, well the same or worse I'd think.
May 03 20:24:55 <mintux> hmm
May 03 20:25:03 <microlith> prototypes?
May 03 20:25:19 <mece> mintux, isn't the device released in Iran?
May 03 20:26:14 <mece> mintux, or are you looking for used devices?
May 03 20:26:25 <pupnik> ZogG: camera plus phone plus computer makes it worth it
May 03 20:26:33 <mintux> mece: yes. but it doesn't has any warranty . and it can be fake here . because Chinese or another models
May 03 20:27:19 <DocScrutinizer51> worse
May 03 20:28:33 <mece> mintux, well if you buy from a shop, and is able to test it, ctrl-shift-x and you can read the kernel version right there. Should confirm if it's a proper device.
May 03 20:28:38 <mintux> I have to pay 580$ for Finland and 550$ for korea here  with no warranty
May 03 20:29:13 <alterego> What do you mean no warranty? Don't you get manufacturers warranty as Nokia are a finnish company ..
May 03 20:31:03 <mece> mintux, if you buy straight from Nokia, and they deliver to your home, then warranty should be there.
May 03 20:31:41 <ShadowJK> alterego, I am guessing Nokia doesn't sell it in Iran and has no Service in Iran. I'm also guessing there are some logistical issues with having it repaired or claiming warranty in europe... :(
May 03 20:32:18 <mintux> alterego: doesn't support here . Nokia doesn't has offical support center in this country . maybe my phone has warranty but I can not use it . because I can send it to another country for warranty . and another products there are some department they have fixer and they fix some phone's themselves and they guarantee some products
May 03 20:33:41 <mintux> also the garranty label is just for sell their wares and it is not really
May 03 20:33:54 <ShadowJK> How the hell does your supplier have Made in Finland N900s, there aren't that many of them I think :)
May 03 20:33:55 <nomis> for some reason ubuntu 10.4 does not want to play nicely with my n900. Network manager just does not offer the connection in its plugin.
May 03 20:35:28 <mintux> ShadowJK: so I can find korea and finland too here ( which one better ? )
May 03 20:36:13 <DocScrutinizer51> mintux: if somebody wants to sell bullshit to you then they will do anyway. they won't tell you in advance on their website.
May 03 20:36:41 <Dima202> I've got 2 years of warranty because I bought using my American Express card whcih doubles it :)
May 03 20:37:14 <ShadowJK> mintux: I'd get the Korea version
May 03 20:37:26 <ShadowJK> it's probably newest
May 03 20:37:35 <mintux> my friend has Finland ( and he bought in Dubai ) but I think it's better to get Korea
May 03 20:38:59 <mintux> in my country most of people knows original Nokia from Finland . and some sellers put Korea label on the phones and sell them it and pay much for it
May 03 20:39:28 <DocScrutinizer51> that's all mere  handwaving
May 03 20:40:15 <DocScrutinizer51> nobody but Nokia knows what vesion is built where and if/how thez differ
May 03 20:40:44 <chem|st> whats a good ebook reader?
May 03 20:40:56 <tripzero> kindle?
May 03 20:41:06 <chem|st> tripzero: for maemo
May 03 20:41:19 <chem|st> I already suggested kindle
May 03 20:41:32 <Dima202> n900
May 03 20:41:33 <chem|st> but dor on the busstop
May 03 20:41:44 <RevdKathy> I use fbreader, chem|st
May 03 20:41:53 <DocScrutinizer51> and odds are the Monday's batch of anz origin is worse than Thursday's arbitrary competitor
May 03 20:42:11 <chem|st> RevdKathy: supported formats?
May 03 20:42:14 <Dima202> I've read 5 books on n900 and it's awesome, I wish the vince ebook reader could fit the text side to side perfectly at max resolution
May 03 20:42:17 <SpeedEvil> fbreader works for me
May 03 20:42:27 <Dima202> evince*
May 03 20:42:31 <SpeedEvil> does at least epub and html
May 03 20:42:36 <SpeedEvil> I haven't tried others
May 03 20:42:41 <Dima202> evince for .pdfs
May 03 20:42:42 <chem|st> Dima202: evince is not an ebok reader
May 03 20:42:44 <SpeedEvil> read ~100 books
May 03 20:42:55 <SpeedEvil> pdfs are barking mad on a mobile device
May 03 20:43:29 <Shapeshifter> bah this pyside/qt mess because of pr1.2 is getting on my nerves
May 03 20:43:33 <RevdKathy> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39044
May 03 20:43:39 <Dima202> Evince is a great for me as an ebook reader.. it remembers where i left off
May 03 20:43:52 <SpeedEvil> so does fbreader
May 03 20:44:00 <SpeedEvil> even if the n900 crashes
May 03 20:44:11 <Dima202> fbreader cant handle pdfs and evince never crashed on me
May 03 20:44:18 <SpeedEvil> I mean n900
May 03 20:44:34 <SpeedEvil> Admittedly tht was when I was doing something silly in /proc
May 03 20:44:53 <DocScrutinizer51> tztztz
May 03 20:45:58 <RevdKathy> Right - got a busy day tomorrow and need my beauty sleep (don't say that's a lost cause!)
May 03 20:46:04 <RevdKathy> Goodnight all!
May 03 20:46:53 <DocScrutinizer51> nite
May 03 20:47:31 <TeQuillaaaA> heyho...i have my n900 with usb plugged on my usb port (with out nokia pc-suite)....how can i access the filesystem?
May 03 20:47:43 <TeQuillaaaA> i only hab access to dcim, sounds, images etc
May 03 20:48:24 <DocScrutinizer51> that's as good as it gets
May 03 20:48:35 <TeQuillaaaA> what?^^
May 03 20:49:09 <DocScrutinizer51> mass storage exports MyDocs and uSD only
May 03 20:49:28 <TeQuillaaaA> oh
May 03 20:49:36 <TeQuillaaaA> and how can i access to filesystem?
May 03 20:49:39 <TeQuillaaaA> with pc suite?
May 03 20:49:39 <DocScrutinizer51> for full access to the device you want to use sftp
May 03 20:49:44 <DocScrutinizer51> or scp
May 03 20:50:02 <SimonLR> use SCP.
May 03 20:50:12 <SimonLR> sFTP is for grandmothers and buffalo.
May 03 20:50:20 <TeQuillaaaA> and how?
May 03 20:50:26 <TeQuillaaaA> i have a debian lenny...
May 03 20:50:30 <TeQuillaaaA> on pc :)
May 03 20:50:33 <SimonLR> install openssh on the device.
May 03 20:50:38 <alterego> I like how gnome integrates ssh into nautilus for browsing, that's what I use.
May 03 20:50:39 <TeQuillaaaA> ok
May 03 20:50:40 <DocScrutinizer51> SimonLR: muhahahaha
May 03 20:50:43 <mintux> doest it channel has logs ?
May 03 20:50:46 <SimonLR> Then use scp as if it was cp.
May 03 20:50:52 <SimonLR> DocScrutinizer, brewhahaha
May 03 20:52:12 <DocScrutinizer51> SimonLR: I'm using sftp in my filemanager and I don't think I'm less 7331 than you
May 03 20:52:18 <DocScrutinizer51> suckker
May 03 20:52:36 <alterego> Heh
May 03 20:52:48 <SimonLR> DocScrutinizer51, do you have a daughter who has 2 children?
May 03 20:53:12 <SimonLR> Because that would make you a grandmother.
May 03 20:53:21 <SimonLR> And you'd be okay to use sftp.
May 03 20:53:23 <alterego> Heh
May 03 20:54:10 <Dima202> what tha?
May 03 20:55:17 <qmid> Hi, how do i change the oriantation of xephyr?
May 03 20:55:28 <qmid> rite now it is landscape
May 03 20:55:39 <lirakis> qmid, put it in a dress ?
May 03 20:55:44 <Zeddy> turn your screen
May 03 20:55:51 <Zeddy> ^_^ sorry red wine..
May 03 20:55:53 <SpeedEvil> rotate your head.
May 03 20:55:59 <qmid> come on guys
May 03 20:56:01 <SimonLR> snort LSD
May 03 20:56:11 <SpeedEvil> xrandr -o left?
May 03 20:56:24 <DocScrutinizer51> SimonLR: of course from zour POV each 16 years old is a grandma
May 03 20:56:54 <SimonLR> DocScrutinizer51: Surely you jest.
May 03 20:57:10 <qmid> xrandr did not help
May 03 20:58:45 * GAN900 is 22 and using SFTP
May 03 20:58:57 <GAN900> Either I'm old or SimonLR is full of it.
May 03 20:59:06 <DocScrutinizer51> /mode +q #maemo *
May 03 20:59:51 <zokier> sftp is actually newer protocol than scp
May 03 21:00:07 <DocScrutinizer51> /mode -q #maemo gan900
May 03 21:00:15 <GAN900> Hooray!
May 03 21:00:21 <mintux> is it possible to load gnome or kde on n900 | I wondering if I can coding jquery or web app on n900 :P possible ? (or too slow for this ? )
May 03 21:00:41 <tripzero> mintux, i think you are asking for pain
May 03 21:00:58 <zokier> mintux, n900 has full featured browser, what else do you need for web apps?
May 03 21:01:25 <DocScrutinizer51> too slow
May 03 21:01:30 <mintux> zokier: support javascript completely and a good editor ( with highlight ) and some speed
May 03 21:02:29 <DocScrutinizer51> microb has js aiui
May 03 21:02:47 <DocScrutinizer51> editors there's a zillion
May 03 21:02:51 <zokier> and chromium has v8 which is even faster
May 03 21:03:25 <DocScrutinizer51> for speed ask your local dealer
May 03 21:04:38 <SimonLR> GAN900: I'm just razzing everybody.
May 03 21:04:45 <SimonLR> I'm here for comic relief.
May 03 21:05:08 <Dima202> Where can I check log file of my sip account not connecting? I want to see what the error is.. It was working fine an hour ago and pc sip working fine
May 03 21:06:43 <Dima202> Don't see anything useful in /var/log
May 03 21:08:34 <mintux> if meamo will had new version for example 6 . is it possible to upgrade n900 op system ?
May 03 21:08:44 <summel> there will be no maemo 6
May 03 21:09:06 <MohammadAG_> summel, what makes you say that
May 03 21:09:12 <summel> maemo6 = meego
May 03 21:09:38 <MohammadAG_> so from your last statement you said there will be no meego
May 03 21:09:44 <summel> no :P
May 03 21:09:46 <DocScrutinizer51> mintux: unclear. but probably
May 03 21:11:07 * DocScrutinizer51 goes teaching summel boolean logics
May 03 21:12:03 * MohammadAG_ looks at his N900 as it's falling apart
May 03 21:12:25 <MohammadAG_> screen moving left/right, qwerty assy has a broken clip
May 03 21:13:09 <summel> my screen is moving up/down
May 03 21:13:10 <summel> :/
May 03 21:13:28 <DocScrutinizer51> MohammadAG: get a dummy
May 03 21:13:36 <DocScrutinizer51> for the spare parts
May 03 21:13:39 <mintux> and another question . I have DVD image movie here that I can mounted easily with VLC player and see them with subtitle . does it support on n900 ? ( player with subtitle support ) and also dvd image ?
May 03 21:13:49 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer51, same parts?
May 03 21:14:25 <MohammadAG_> it's kind of weird since I never actually dropped it
May 03 21:14:35 <valdyn> mintux: mplayer will support it all, but i cant tell if mplayer is fast enough, try
May 03 21:15:07 <valdyn> mintux: problem might be that you cannot store large files on the n900 though
May 03 21:15:20 <mintux> it has 32 Gb ?
May 03 21:15:27 <MohammadAG_> and vfat
May 03 21:15:32 <mintux> dvd image is only 4 gig
May 03 21:15:42 <MohammadAG_> which is the limit of vfat
May 03 21:15:45 <valdyn> mintux: maximum file size is precisely 4gig
May 03 21:15:47 <mintux> it's not ext3 or ..?
May 03 21:15:57 <MohammadAG_> not out of the box
May 03 21:15:59 <mintux> so divx
May 03 21:16:02 <valdyn> mintux: its vfat so it can be mounted on windows, unfortunately
May 03 21:16:28 <mece> mintux, I don't think the bitrate from the vfat partition is fast enough for raw dvd
May 03 21:16:39 <valdyn> ummm
May 03 21:16:41 <mintux> where can I see a complete list of softwares support on maemo 5 or nokia n800 ?
May 03 21:16:42 <mece> mintux, divx, xvid and the likes work pretty well.
May 03 21:16:51 <MohammadAG_> valdyn, thinking about something, format all of the 28GBs with ext3, and make a 5MB partition for the windows driver
May 03 21:16:55 <mintux> mece: with subtitle src ?
May 03 21:17:14 <mece> mintux, dunno, haven't tried.
May 03 21:17:17 <valdyn> MohammadAG_: i dont even use windows, but i have not had a need to store large files yet
May 03 21:17:43 <MohammadAG_> same here, but you never know
May 03 21:17:43 <mece> valdyn, newer windows use ntfs
May 03 21:17:52 <valdyn> mece: so?
May 03 21:18:09 <mece> valdyn, eh ok. missed your point..
May 03 21:18:10 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: kybd assy frame and slider mechanism quite probably are identical
May 03 21:18:15 * MohammadAG_ waits for an ext3-enabled MS OS
May 03 21:18:20 <mintux> where can I see a complete list of softwares support on maemo 5 or nokia n800 ? im looking for good IDE or source editor and good players
May 03 21:18:36 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, I'm worried about the ribbon tbh
May 03 21:18:47 <MohammadAG_> I doubt that's in the dummy
May 03 21:18:50 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, me too now
May 03 21:18:58 <mece> mintux, http://maemo.org/packages/
May 03 21:19:01 <SpeedEvil> mintux: why would you be wanting to code on the device?
May 03 21:19:01 <DocScrutinizer> for sure it's not
May 03 21:19:13 <mece> SpeedEvil, why wouldn't you???
May 03 21:19:19 <SpeedEvil> mintux: I mean - you can - but generally a larger screen and keyboard is more pleasant.
May 03 21:19:30 <SpeedEvil> At least for me.
May 03 21:19:55 * SpeedEvil ponders midgets that use it as a desktop
May 03 21:20:01 <mece> anyway, 's gettin late. Goodnight maemonians.
May 03 21:20:15 <mintux> SpeedEvil: first javascript and if I can C/C++ | just for amusing ( in class :P / in Bus / in university )
May 03 21:20:28 <mece> SpeedEvil, more like halflings or gnomes or something.
May 03 21:20:42 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: Ants on pubic viewing ;-P
May 03 21:20:47 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 03 21:20:50 <DocScrutinizer> public ven
May 03 21:20:55 <DocScrutinizer> gnaaAAh
May 03 21:20:56 <mece> mintux, i use pygtkeditor. It can be used for other stuff than py :)
May 03 21:21:06 <mece> anyway, really going now. tataa.
May 03 21:21:08 <mintux> oh also python
May 03 21:21:14 <mece> ok grr.
May 03 21:21:32 <mece> mintux, coding python on device is very nice indeed.
May 03 21:21:39 <frals> mhm
May 03 21:21:51 <mintux> I'd like to learn python but I don't have enough time . so I want to use my time when I'm outdoor
May 03 21:21:52 <DocScrutinizer> yes, python>>js
May 03 21:22:11 * MohammadAG_ slaps frals around a bit with a large trout
May 03 21:22:34 <frals> oi i do the trouting around here mister!
May 03 21:22:35 <DocScrutinizer> bacon
May 03 21:22:40 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, still can't figure out how tehkseven aka Jon got it removed it 3/4 times
May 03 21:22:52 <mece> mintux, python is like programming for children :)
May 03 21:22:55 * MohammadAG_ slaps frals again :P
May 03 21:23:10 <mece> mintux, it's so easy it feels fake :D
May 03 21:23:20 <DocScrutinizer> 3/4 times??
May 03 21:23:34 <mintux> mece: how about C/C++  does it has compiler ?
May 03 21:23:35 <mece> mintux, so easy an idiot can do it. *points at self*
May 03 21:23:48 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, once as a preshot disassembly, then a vid for youtube, then the one to remove rice, and finally to fix the slider
May 03 21:23:57 <DocScrutinizer> k, time for a BIG change here. Moving the PC
May 03 21:24:25 <mece> mintux, I haven't compiled c/++ on device, but some people do, and say it's fine for that.
May 03 21:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: maybe mine was a wanky freggles one
May 03 21:24:47 <mintux> mece: I know python . my programing language is php so if I can run apache (include php mods ) I wondered to use it
May 03 21:24:48 <mece> mintux, there's also easy debian. And debian has.. well everything debian has. so yeah. you can compile on device.
May 03 21:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> just broke on looking at it
May 03 21:24:58 <lcuk> yes its fine, but space constraints + lack of autotools + lack of dpkg_buildpackage limits it somewhat
May 03 21:25:14 <mintux> mece: easy debian is OS or it append to maemo ?
May 03 21:25:19 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, I wouldn't bet that mine's better tbh, don't have the best luck with these things :)
May 03 21:25:29 <mece> mintux, it's a virtual machine
May 03 21:25:38 <MohammadAG_> mintux, kind of like a virtual machine, except it's running without emulation
May 03 21:25:42 <mintux> that's great
May 03 21:25:47 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: mompls
May 03 21:25:59 <FIQ> isn't it as wine then?
May 03 21:26:05 <mintux> what os can simulate on it ?
May 03 21:26:17 <FIQ> same type of "emulation" i mean
May 03 21:26:40 <mece> damn. Ok I really really going to go now. Bye.
May 03 21:27:29 <mintux> can I use my software that I compiled on my pc linux n900 ? support gtk or another things ?
May 03 21:27:55 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4366_Original-Nokia-N900-Hinge-Slide.html   says "Nokia N900 Schiebemechanik, inkl. Flex Kabel" ((incl flex cable)) here:http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=n900&x=0&y=0
May 03 21:28:25 <DocScrutinizer> no idea if that's a wong info or what
May 03 21:29:22 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I don't see how they can deliver just a cable, as - aiui - it's the whole sceen half PCB with cam, LED, sensors...
May 03 21:29:25 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, can you give me an idea how i can troubleshoot my sip connecting issue?
May 03 21:29:27 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, the crappy screws are the ones on the back slider right?
May 03 21:29:41 <DocScrutinizer> and that'll cost a lot more than 30 EUR
May 03 21:30:07 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: yes
May 03 21:30:21 <DocScrutinizer> Dima202: no idea, lease elaborate
May 03 21:30:43 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, so it might be possible to disassemble/reassemble without removing the ribbon
May 03 21:30:58 <MohammadAG_> s/might/should
May 03 21:31:00 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, I am getting Network Error
May 03 21:31:32 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: no
May 03 21:31:51 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, I think it might be trying to ping the host but that is not possible, host is rejecting ping requests
May 03 21:32:17 <Dima202> althought the host is online.. my x-lite client connect just fine
May 03 21:33:07 <achipa> did anyone with the pr1.2 leak try out the QtSDK on-device execution thingie ?
May 03 21:33:35 <DocScrutinizer> Dima202: sorry that's really too complex to diagnose from remote. I just entered the details for my sipgate account and was set
May 03 21:33:41 <achipa> or was the interest just for the candy and not the actually useful stuff :)
May 03 21:33:48 <mintux> what is gui engine in n900 ? qt or gtk ?
May 03 21:34:06 <MohammadAG_> both, hildon is the desktop manager
May 03 21:34:26 <mintux> hmm
May 03 21:34:27 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, yeah it's been acting up on me.. first it connects for a few days then it stops then it works again.. seems random
May 03 21:35:39 <DocScrutinizer> Dima202: I suspect you got network issues
May 03 21:35:57 <DocScrutinizer> SIP is a little awkward behind NATs
May 03 21:36:46 <FIQ> how does ssh-server work when using mobile network?
May 03 21:36:50 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, ok, i can give it DMZ
May 03 21:36:52 <FIQ> it wouldn't work, I guess?
May 03 21:37:13 <FIQ> as the ip is same for everyone using same operator in same location
May 03 21:37:20 <DocScrutinizer> also nota bene SIP may lose inbound connectivity for as long as 60min or whatever your reregistration time is set (Sipgate usually using 60 min afaik)
May 03 21:37:41 <DocScrutinizer> Dima202: DMZ might help a lot
May 03 21:38:07 <DocScrutinizer> but also may cause massive battery drain due to ping storms etc
May 03 21:38:22 <DocScrutinizer> Dima202: YMMV
May 03 21:38:41 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, with DMZ on for my N900 same prob :(
May 03 21:39:17 <mintux> does it meamo support Asian language like Persian ? or Arabic MohammadAG
May 03 21:39:19 <DocScrutinizer> Dima202: use wireshark to dissect and analyze the network traffic
May 03 21:39:31 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, ok
May 03 21:41:49 <MohammadAG_> mintux, no idea about persian, arabic localization was added
May 03 21:42:26 <MohammadAG_> tbh I've never used any language other than english on a device, so I don't really follow this stuff :)
May 03 21:42:57 <mintux> MohammadAG_: you can see Arabic or type it ? If you can persian can be support I think . could you see in your languages ?
May 03 21:43:26 <MohammadAG_> mintux, both, system localization is community-made
May 03 21:43:32 <mintux> hmm
May 03 21:44:31 <MohammadAG_> mintux, if there is no community-based translation feel free to make one
May 03 21:44:46 <kthomas_vh> is there build-essentials package for maemo 4?
May 03 21:45:17 <mintux> hmm
May 03 21:45:27 <mintux> its good idea
May 03 21:47:15 <Dima202> odd
May 03 21:47:31 <lcuk> kthomas_vh, yes
May 03 21:47:39 <lcuk> sdk/tools repository afaik
May 03 21:47:47 <lcuk> if its not all the components are there i used to use em ;)_
May 03 21:49:36 <Dima202> This definately has somethign to do with pinging the host. As soon as the host was ping-ABLE i was connect right away. How can I tell the client to ignore pinging the host?
May 03 21:52:05 <mintux> does it run exe on n800 ?
May 03 21:52:19 <mintux> *n900
May 03 21:52:41 <kthomas_vh> lcuk, I've added the repos and am not seeing build-essentials,  so was wondering
May 03 21:53:29 <lcuk> http://maemo.org/packages/view/build-essential/
May 03 21:53:58 <lcuk> kthomas_vh, its not a user package so will not show up in app manager :)
May 03 21:54:03 <lcuk> you have to be a ninja :P
May 03 21:54:15 <kthomas_vh> apt-cache search ?
May 03 21:54:43 <lcuk> usually works yeah
May 03 21:54:59 <kthomas_vh> hmmm
May 03 21:55:14 <kthomas_vh> not in this case AFAICT
May 03 21:55:27 <frals> bah time to go to bed :<
May 03 21:55:30 <trumee> Dima202: i am running my own * server. The N900 has never lost connection on me on 3g
May 03 21:56:00 <lcuk> gnite frals
May 03 21:56:11 <Dima202> trumee, yeah because you are running your own * server... the server i am using is public and they keep playing with ping/no-ping iptable rules
May 03 21:56:18 <trumee> Dima202: i have the register set to 30 seconds
May 03 21:56:19 <frals> nn o/
May 03 21:57:21 <trumee> Dima202: you know whether qualify=no is set on the server?
May 03 21:57:45 <Dima202> trumee, not sure, how can i check?
May 03 21:57:58 <trumee> Dima202: qualify=no will ask * not to check the client
May 03 21:58:22 <trumee> Dima202: i guess you need to check with your operator
May 03 21:58:45 <trumee> Dima202: does your client lose connection?
May 03 21:59:28 <Dima202> trumee, i loose connection when i am not able to ping the host
May 03 21:59:39 <trumee> Dima202: and you have stun enabled on the client?
May 03 21:59:44 <Dima202> because they are messing with iptables (from what i understand)
May 03 21:59:49 <Dima202> trumee yes
May 03 22:00:35 <trumee> Dima202: if you cant ping the server they cant ping you back i guess. it needs qualify=no on the server then
May 03 22:01:17 <trumee> Dima202: with that setting * will not ping back to N900 to check if its alive or not
May 03 22:02:39 <Dima202> trumee, but thing is x-lite on pc connects to it regardless of ping ability
May 03 22:04:14 <trumee> Dima202: xlite sends some keep alive packets i think
May 03 22:32:54 <MohammadAG_> made a script in /usr/bin and named it R, shorter than root, sudo gainroot, or sudo su :P
May 03 22:39:16 <arachnist> MohammadAG_: there's a statistics-oriented programming language named R
May 03 22:39:45 <MohammadAG_> arachnist, it doesn't run on the N900 :)
May 03 22:40:16 <arachnist> MohammadAG_: sure about it?
May 03 22:40:33 <MohammadAG_> nope, but R isn't something I need :)
May 03 22:40:51 <rcg> arachnist: there is an R package for the n900
May 03 22:41:19 * SpeedEvil stabs broken bots.
May 03 22:41:22 <rcg> havent tested it myself .. just saw it in the program manager
May 03 22:43:03 <MohammadAG_> someone please /ban ScriptRipper_ :)
May 03 22:44:02 * SpeedEvil wonders what he's trying to paste.
May 03 22:44:39 <MohammadAG_> actually it should get gzlined by freenode
May 03 22:44:45 <arachnist> SpeedEvil: maybe his irc client is just doing a lots of /whois on joins
May 03 22:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
May 03 22:51:13 <DocScrutinizer> fixed?
May 03 22:51:18 <MohammadAG_> seems to have worked
May 03 22:51:42 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: 'evening
May 03 22:51:49 <jacekowski> idoru failed again
May 03 22:51:49 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: have you heard back about your N900 yet?
May 03 22:52:06 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: hm?
May 03 22:52:09 <jacekowski> hmm idoru is not on this channel
May 03 22:52:46 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: Sorry, I might be mistaking you for somebody else.
May 03 22:52:55 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: maybe not
May 03 22:53:11 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: just shoot
May 03 22:53:16 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: IIRC we talked about issues with the screen on the N900 a couple of weeks ago
May 03 22:53:21 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 03 22:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> mine is fixed now
May 03 22:53:33 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: my N900 broke down and IIRC yours did too and you sent it in
May 03 22:53:51 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: nice; did they tell you what the problem is?
May 03 22:54:08 <jelmer> I'm going to take mine in tomorrow.
May 03 22:54:10 <DocScrutinizer> alas no, though I really petered them to
May 03 22:54:15 <DocScrutinizer> pestered
May 03 22:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> took ~1 week
May 03 22:54:47 <DocScrutinizer> all data lost, of course
May 03 22:55:17 <DocScrutinizer> seems they swaped the FPC with all the cam, sensor, LED etc mounted on it
May 03 22:56:13 <DocScrutinizer> jelmer: take s good crisp shot of your touchscreen, it seems prone to bends and ditches during the swap procedure
May 03 22:58:16 <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the tips, I'll remember to backup and take some pictures before I send it in.
May 03 22:58:58 <jacekowski> there are 2 kind of people
May 03 22:59:02 <jacekowski> the ones that make backups
May 03 22:59:11 <jacekowski> and ones that will make backups
May 03 22:59:14 <DocScrutinizer> show the pics to the shop where you hand it it, so they can acknowledge they represent the current state
May 03 22:59:14 <arachnist> there are 10 kinds of people
May 03 22:59:24 <summel> jacekowski: i never make backups :P
May 03 22:59:25 <arachnist> the ones who understand binary, and the ones who don't
May 03 22:59:27 <jacekowski> i was thinking about stating it that way
May 03 22:59:58 <jacekowski> but that would be there are 100 kinds of people , the ones that understand binary and make backups .........................
May 03 23:03:42 <DocScrutinizer> why backups, data is changing permanently
May 03 23:04:13 <jacekowski> because data loss is pita
May 03 23:04:25 <jacekowski> and i used to make only backups of "important" data
May 03 23:04:54 <DocScrutinizer> nah, useless as asking for the time, it changes permanently so you never get a precise info.
May 03 23:04:56 <jacekowski> but you just learn that anything requires you to spend time to recover is important
May 03 23:04:57 <arachnist> data loss is a pita
May 03 23:05:38 * arachnist has learned that and stores all of his important data (along with loads of non-important) on 6x1.5TB drives in raidz2 (think: raid6)
May 03 23:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: anyway there's a sweetspot where time to restore backups > time to regenerate the data
May 03 23:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> of course that depends on how cute your backup/restore tools are
May 03 23:07:13 <njsf> re
May 03 23:07:34 <jacekowski> even with simplest backup tools it's ussualy faster to recover from backup
May 03 23:08:45 <arachnist> simple tar + gzip in fast (to "compress" blank data) seems to be the fastest thing around
May 03 23:08:53 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: see, I made a backup of all the data on N900. But restoring it is even more a PITA than it was to create the backup. So I still have that suspicious OS on my device, and restoring the prev state would kill the more recent data
May 03 23:09:19 <jacekowski> that's why you take daily backup
May 03 23:09:40 <jacekowski> ( i use exchange for my contacts/calendar/mail )
May 03 23:09:47 <DocScrutinizer> even that doesn't help, if you don't restore *immediately*
May 03 23:09:47 <jacekowski> so that's not a problem
May 03 23:10:05 <jacekowski> so i have constant backup of my phone
May 03 23:10:15 <jacekowski> most important things anyways
May 03 23:10:21 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, exporting all my contacts would help a lot
May 03 23:10:21 <jacekowski> time to sleep
May 03 23:10:53 <jacekowski> good night
May 03 23:11:03 <MohammadAG_> Night
May 03 23:12:26 <pupnik_> 
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May 03 23:16:47 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik_: thanks for the friendly reminder
May 03 23:18:21 <pupnik_> to go to bed DocScrutinizer ?
May 03 23:22:05 <DocScrutinizer> hope I thoroughly nuked the whole freenode server ;-P
May 03 23:22:23 <Termana> good morning
May 03 23:23:34 <pupnik_> i thought i could ping just the freenode server with that btw, sorry
May 03 23:24:02 <MohammadAG_> pupnik_, I'd ping ChanServ or sth, not a whole channel :)
May 03 23:24:02 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik_: nah, nm. Thanks for pointing at it
May 03 23:29:03 <chem|st> I still dont get it... what do people not understand in NDA?
May 03 23:29:51 <MohammadAG_> chem|st, the ND part
May 03 23:30:09 <arachnist> chem|st: some people still think that while being under NDA you'd still want to release whatever you're working on to the community and that it would do anything good
May 03 23:33:15 <chem|st> ;)
May 03 23:44:44 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, it's back
May 03 23:45:04 <DocScrutinizer51> huh?
May 03 23:45:11 <MohammadAG_> that lol
May 03 23:45:16 <MohammadAG_> * ScriptRipper_ (~mmohring@p4FDBD8FE.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #maemo
May 03 23:56:32 <DocScrutinizer51> damn, 5h of irc with full backlight permanently (3h over 3G), and bat is at 20%
May 03 23:57:23 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
May 03 23:57:24 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: aw, gee
May 03 23:57:46 <DocScrutinizer51> phhhoo, was a bit too quiet here
May 03 23:58:30 <DocScrutinizer51> anybody out there?
May 03 23:58:45 <SimonLR> HELP
May 03 23:59:09 <SimonLR> My foot fell asleep. HELP.
May 03 23:59:57 <DocScrutinizer51> ok the chan still accepts everz nonsense ;-)
May 04 00:05:50 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: 5h active?
May 04 00:05:55 <SpeedEvil> oh
May 04 00:06:58 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: hmm, not good, but not bad as well?
May 04 00:07:14 <SpeedEvil> I read later the 'only 3h 3g'
May 04 00:08:10 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, backlight at 100% brightness and on/off ratio, and 3h of 3G - that sums up
May 04 00:17:22 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly about the backlight-brightness adjusting daemon
May 04 00:17:41 <DocScrutinizer> iirc it's also closed source
May 04 00:17:56 <jacekowski> some things should just exist as small kernel modules
May 04 00:18:09 <DocScrutinizer> which honestly is rather hilarious
May 04 00:18:58 <jacekowski> imo, somebody should start a project to rewrite all parts like that as open source
May 04 00:19:19 <jacekowski> so there would be fully functional open source replacement
May 04 00:19:20 <DocScrutinizer> err, that's called meego
May 04 00:19:32 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, qwerty12 wrote the toolbar changer
May 04 00:19:41 <jacekowski> not whole os replacement
May 04 00:19:47 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless we are planning to kill closed bme eventually
May 04 00:19:59 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: yes, I remember
May 04 00:20:09 <jacekowski> i'm happy to help with that
May 04 00:20:18 <DocScrutinizer> and I also remember it fights with the closed shit, and often loses
May 04 00:20:44 <DocScrutinizer> at least on N810 it's absolutely obvious
May 04 00:21:01 <ShadowJK> it's the ambient brightness + optional dynamic contrast into brightness setting that's closed really :)
May 04 00:21:07 <SpeedEvil> I have the backlight thingy installed
May 04 00:21:26 <SpeedEvil> plus I have a queen beecon (silly name but great applet) that echos 2 > relevant sysnode
May 04 00:21:32 <SpeedEvil> 2 is the dimmest it will go
May 04 00:21:41 <ShadowJK> Apparently there's a team in a controlled darklab doing that
May 04 00:21:42 <SpeedEvil> ~70mA vs ~100mA
May 04 00:22:14 <ShadowJK> but it's not so nice in real life when sensor can't tell direct and ambient light apart
May 04 00:22:16 <DocScrutinizer> setting the system brightness to 100% and the toolbar app brightness to 20%, the real brightness jumps to whatever was touched last, but sometimes switches to system 100 level for no obvious reason
May 04 00:22:59 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: camera!
May 04 00:23:47 <DocScrutinizer> Samsung OMNIA is doing it that way. has no amb lite senor, uses front cam
May 04 00:25:54 <DocScrutinizer> honestly, I mean c'mon, there's a set of sysfs nodes to read out the amblight sensor, and there's sysnodes to control the screen backlight. What's the use of a silly closed source daemon sitting in between them? WTF?
May 04 00:26:41 <ShadowJK> Well I don't care about ambient light, what matters is if the background is making screen very dim, or if there's light bouncing off the screen making the screen surface bright
May 04 00:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> err, yes?
May 04 00:27:22 <ShadowJK> als and cameras can't give useful info to control the screen brightness :)
May 04 00:27:36 <DocScrutinizer> so kill it
May 04 00:28:08 <ShadowJK> better than nothing I guess
May 04 00:28:51 <DocScrutinizer> no, actually a binary blob interfering with a nice community driven applet is worse than nothing
May 04 00:29:20 <tripzero> my n900 pissed me off today.  got stuck in portrait mode when i was trying to pull up a contact during a call
May 04 00:29:49 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
May 04 00:29:59 <tripzero> i don't know what i did
May 04 00:30:05 <DocScrutinizer> "steps to reproduce" ??
May 04 00:30:13 <tripzero> haha, no clue
May 04 00:31:47 * tripzero tries and fails to reproduce outside of a call
May 04 00:33:06 <SimonLR> ShadowJK: camera can give useful info to control the brightness.
May 04 00:33:17 <SimonLR> ShadowJK: check lumin values and adjust based on that.
May 04 00:33:39 <DocScrutinizer> SimonLR: yes, I agree
May 04 00:34:15 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: any idea what that daemon is called? (the one managing the backlight)
May 04 00:34:15 <SpeedEvil> Also, it can look at angle of sun, and accel
May 04 00:34:28 <ShadowJK> mce probably
May 04 00:34:40 <DocScrutinizer> fsck
May 04 00:35:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart mce and bme
May 04 00:35:00 * infobot whacks mce and bme with a giant beaver's tail
May 04 00:35:04 <njsf_> tripzero: mine annoyed me more at becoming non responsive to touch when I was trying to answer a call
May 04 00:35:34 <njsf_> probably the old hildon-home problem, but impacting call answering not good
May 04 00:35:51 <DocScrutinizer> hildon-home problem?
May 04 00:36:03 <njsf_> or hildon-desktop maybe
May 04 00:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 04 00:36:28 <njsf_> the home where the n900 becomes unresponsive but if you kill hildon-home it starts responding
May 04 00:36:58 <njsf_> someone in the hildon-home team suggests the problem is some other app doing constant screen updates thus waking hildon-home
May 04 00:37:02 <MohammadAG_> hildon-home are the widgets, -desktop is the window manager
May 04 00:37:19 <DocScrutinizer> aaah widgets, yeah
May 04 00:37:37 <MohammadAG_> so blame widgets
May 04 00:37:45 <njsf_> It could have been an interaction between recaller and panucci maybe
May 04 00:37:48 <Dima202> %stats
May 04 00:37:58 <njsf_> since I have pannuci opened even if paused at the time
May 04 00:38:16 <DocScrutinizer> recaller sounds suspicious
May 04 00:38:41 <MohammadAG_> don't have any problems and my desktop is full of widgets
May 04 00:38:45 <MohammadAG_> not those two though
May 04 00:38:49 <DocScrutinizer> though that would probably cause issues with audio, not with responsiveness
May 04 00:38:56 <njsf_> panucci is an app, not widget
May 04 00:38:56 <MohammadAG_> I found the conversations widget caused a reset
May 04 00:39:00 <njsf_> recaller is a widget
May 04 00:39:17 <njsf_> yes, I removed the conversations widget, it was useless to me
May 04 00:39:37 <njsf_> does not keep track of which messages I had seen on the actual conversations window
May 04 00:39:40 * DocScrutinizer doesn't like widgets very much anyway
May 04 00:40:06 <DocScrutinizer> I also doubt the whole widget concept is well thought
May 04 00:40:09 <njsf_> I currently just have the fm transmitter one, the OMWeather, the recaller and calendar one
May 04 00:40:47 <njsf_> although since Ovi Suite removed tethered Outlook calendar sync it is useless to me, so I'll probably remove the calendar one
May 04 00:41:11 <DocScrutinizer> aiui all widgets share one process, and just one failing widget can bork the whole thing
May 04 00:41:53 <njsf_> yeahh  there should be some limits, like a very high nice setting on hildon-home ;D
May 04 00:42:29 <njsf_> the problem I guess is that python widgets are in another process....
May 04 00:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> there should be independent processes for each widget, so a runaway widget won't bork the whole desktop
May 04 00:43:11 <MohammadAG_> anyone got any idea how to get the playing song name from terminal?
May 04 00:43:21 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 04 00:43:21 <MohammadAG_> something involving gst_renderer
May 04 00:43:47 <DocScrutinizer> gst_renderer?
May 04 00:43:47 <MohammadAG_> njsf_, killall python :P
May 04 00:43:51 <MohammadAG_> think so
May 04 00:44:01 <DocScrutinizer> hmmpf
May 04 00:44:10 <DocScrutinizer> dbus foo bar boo
May 04 00:44:20 <njsf_> DocScrutinizer only if with they don't hose stuff by having too many runnable processes
May 04 00:44:54 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, dbus is highly over my head
May 04 00:44:54 <DocScrutinizer> uhuh
May 04 00:45:07 <MohammadAG_> no idea how qwerty12 gets that stuff
May 04 00:45:09 <DocScrutinizer> dbus is easy
May 04 00:45:35 <DocScrutinizer> getting the methods and their parameters right is the art/magic
May 04 00:46:19 <MohammadAG_> com.nokia.mafw.renderer.metadata_changed  /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer
May 04 00:46:28 <MohammadAG_> got those, no idea how to use them :)
May 04 00:46:46 <DocScrutinizer> that's not dbus' fault though when things like telepathy come with a mindboggling dbus API that nobody is able to understand, and you got no clue where to look for the manpage
May 04 00:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, see above
May 04 00:49:28 <DocScrutinizer> if I were maemo distro maintainer, I'd kick every app and the responsible developer down all the way to southpole and back, if they dare to come without a decent manpage that has a description plus example for each and every dbus call implemented in that app
May 04 00:50:05 <DocScrutinizer> with *heavy* boots
May 04 00:52:12 <njsf_> DocScrutinizer: I could not agree more. What good are integration interfaces if they are not well designed or worse undocumented?
May 04 00:52:26 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 04 00:52:29 <DocScrutinizer> >:-((
May 04 00:54:15 <DocScrutinizer> alas our 'distro maintainers' are the worst of all in that respect
May 04 00:54:45 <tripzero> fear not, meego will fix all
May 04 00:54:47 <tripzero> :P
May 04 00:54:49 <DocScrutinizer> the Nokia closed source crap doesn't even suppord dbus introspection
May 04 00:54:57 <tripzero> ew, that is pretty bad
May 04 00:54:58 <DocScrutinizer> how evil is THAT?
May 04 00:55:03 <MuJ> who cares anything about dying "distro?"
May 04 00:55:21 <SimonLR> DocScrutinizer: What do you mean by "dbus introspection"?
May 04 00:55:58 <tripzero> ie, implementing that org.freedesktop.dbus.interospection method to return xml for your dbus objects
May 04 00:55:59 <b-man> hald-addon-bme, bme-rx-51, ect
May 04 00:56:44 <SimonLR> Fair enough.
May 04 00:58:28 <DocScrutinizer> SimonLR: compare:
May 04 00:58:31 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia-N900-02-8:~# mdbus2 com.nokia.alarmd
May 04 00:58:40 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia-N900-02-8:~# mdbus2 org.freedesktop.Notifications
May 04 00:59:10 <Dima202> Dying ?
May 04 01:00:33 <Dima202> We die.. but the code lives on
May 04 01:00:54 <MohammadAG_> <DocScrutinizer> Nokia-N900-02-8:~# mdbus2 com.nokia.alarmd LOL
May 04 01:00:56 <MohammadAG_> /
May 04 01:01:22 <MohammadAG_> it's more sad than funny
May 04 01:01:41 <DocScrutinizer> yes, actually it's really sad
May 04 01:03:10 <DocScrutinizer> well, maybe I chosen a poor example, but anyway that's what dbus cracks told me: Nokia hasn't implemented introspection in their closed shit
May 04 01:03:30 <DocScrutinizer> which is a violation of dbus design rules aiui
May 04 01:03:47 <DocScrutinizer> at least it's nasty
May 04 01:04:07 <MohammadAG_> and n00bs like me don't understand it :P
May 04 01:04:17 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, same here
May 04 01:05:02 <ShadowJK> I wonder what kind of response "lack of introspection" bugs would get
May 04 01:05:26 <DocScrutinizer> I really wonder why Nokia hasn't contracted a gifted wellknown author to write O'Reilly Maemo Unleashed
May 04 01:05:44 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: try it
May 04 01:05:45 <ham5> gonna contract you docscrutinizer
May 04 01:06:00 <DocScrutinizer> ham5: I'm an abysmal author
May 04 01:06:09 <ham5> :)
May 04 01:06:14 <DocScrutinizer> would need a ghostwriter ;-P
May 04 01:06:31 <SpeedEvil> I'm a great ghostwriter.
May 04 01:06:42 <ham5> I run debian.
May 04 01:06:42 <SpeedEvil> Occasionally bang on the keys in a random manner.
May 04 01:06:50 <MohammadAG_> ShadowJK, I don't think they'll stay on the bugtracker :P
May 04 01:08:03 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: it's really hard to delete something from bugtracker
May 04 01:08:19 <DocScrutinizer> virtually impossible aiui
May 04 01:08:22 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, no delete button?
May 04 01:08:24 <MohammadAG_> wow
May 04 01:08:37 <DocScrutinizer> check the ticket number sequence
May 04 01:08:59 <ham5> n900 bad ass ?
May 04 01:09:04 <DocScrutinizer> probably you won't find voids
May 04 01:09:13 <MohammadAG_> Bug 1
May 04 01:09:14 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it
May 04 01:09:22 <MohammadAG_> guess so
May 04 01:09:59 <DocScrutinizer> you bet they had removed bug #1 if they had a reasonable way to do so
May 04 01:11:25 <DocScrutinizer> you can edit bugs aiui, even to a point where it's an empty meaningless ticket, but you hardly can remove a ticket as soon as it's away from tail
May 04 01:11:55 <MohammadAG_> not with my permissions though :)
May 04 01:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> same is true for comments n tickets I've been told
May 04 01:13:17 <DocScrutinizer> probably due to the nature of he DBMS you can't take out a record from in between
May 04 01:17:45 <Macer> wow. chromium has gotten way better than when i last tried it
May 04 01:17:52 <Macer> is there a chromium pkg for maemo? :)
May 04 01:18:06 <Macer> maybe easydeb has one
May 04 01:19:06 <SpeedEvil> ges
May 04 01:19:08 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 04 01:19:18 <SpeedEvil> in extras-devel
May 04 01:19:32 <Macer> seriously?
May 04 01:19:33 <Macer> heh
May 04 01:19:38 <Macer> that was like one of those wishlists
May 04 01:19:50 <ham5> f google
May 04 01:19:52 <ham5> u should be shot
May 04 01:19:56 <ham5> are you kidding
May 04 01:20:10 <Macer> huh?
May 04 01:20:30 <jacekowski> Macer: it's still work in progress
May 04 01:20:40 <Macer> chrome is the best browser i've used so far :) .. better than ie, safari, and ff
May 04 01:20:50 <jacekowski> Macer: but i don't have time to do anything with it
May 04 01:20:53 <Macer> jacekowski: will be nice to see how it goes
May 04 01:21:31 <jacekowski> sometimes i find hour or two to do something
May 04 01:21:59 <MohammadAG|ZzZ> Night #maemo \o
May 04 01:22:32 <jacekowski> but it would be helpfull to have chrome dev to help ( or little bit more comments in code )
May 04 01:23:20 <jacekowski> and there is something i would like to have more
May 04 01:23:36 <jacekowski> which is dalvik on n900 and iphone emulation
May 04 01:23:59 <jacekowski> but both require lot of work
May 04 01:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> dalvik??
May 04 01:31:35 <SpeedEvil> the android vm
May 04 01:35:05 <b-man> dalvik on the n900 is way more likely to happen than an iphone emulator ;)
May 04 01:36:39 <b-man> it's too bad that 'android application compatibility layer" project for ubuntu never took off :(
May 04 01:36:57 <tripzero> too bad android sux and doesn't use standards
May 04 01:37:06 <ham5> f google
May 04 01:37:06 <ham5> yea
May 04 01:37:07 <ham5> !
May 04 01:37:13 <tripzero> and also, doesn't care one bit on working with others
May 04 01:38:50 <ham5> they want that $$
May 04 01:38:52 <tripzero> that's why meego, IMHO, has a better approach than android (upstream first vs. forking upstream)
May 04 01:41:15 <b-man> tripzero: more like upstream vs. completely re-engineering the linux userspace & kernel in a lousy way lol
May 04 01:42:20 <tripzero> ie "fork and screw up"
May 04 01:42:33 <tripzero> fork and fsck?
May 04 02:10:10 <DocScrutinizer> hmm fork&fsck sounds good - sold
May 04 02:10:41 <DocScrutinizer> ~ff
May 04 02:10:43 <infobot> methinks ff is even in dutch
May 04 02:11:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~ff is also fork&fsck
May 04 02:11:34 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
May 04 02:12:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~ff is also or Android
May 04 02:12:25 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
May 04 02:12:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~ff
May 04 02:12:32 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, ff is even in dutch, or fork&fsck, or or Android
May 04 02:12:37 <tripzero> lol
May 04 02:12:38 <DocScrutinizer> blah
May 04 02:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> btw
May 04 02:13:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~android
May 04 02:13:34 <infobot> methinks android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible
May 04 02:13:57 <tripzero> nice
May 04 02:14:05 <SpeedEvil> Oooh! Out of date even.
May 04 02:14:16 <SpeedEvil> (as someone did)
May 04 02:14:19 <DocScrutinizer> lol, largely
May 04 02:14:30 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 04 02:15:40 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
May 04 02:16:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell #openmoko-cdevel about android
May 04 02:16:25 <DocScrutinizer> you bitch!!
May 04 02:16:26 <luke-jr> Android is actually non-free?
May 04 02:16:34 <Termana> Plus, the Android stack is completely open now
May 04 02:16:34 <luke-jr> I mean, beyond mere vendor stuff
May 04 02:16:42 <Termana> AFAIK
May 04 02:17:20 <Termana> luke-jr, There were a couple of things like the telephony stack and whatnot that were originally closed, but I believe they are open now
May 04 02:17:28 <luke-jr> hum
May 04 02:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> completely open and completely ff
May 04 02:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> exactly what the world needs
May 04 02:18:23 <Macer> wow. i don't care too much for google but wow... chromium is awesome heh
May 04 02:18:37 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, ff?
May 04 02:18:37 <Macer> it is way better than the garbage i used a while back :)
May 04 02:18:41 <tripzero> ~ff
May 04 02:18:42 <DocScrutinizer> ~ff
May 04 02:18:42 <infobot> i guess ff is even in dutch, or fork&fsck, or or Android
May 04 02:18:53 <Termana> ah
May 04 02:20:43 <DocScrutinizer> duh, tripzero you've been faster than me ;-P
May 04 02:20:55 <tripzero> slightly ;)
May 04 02:22:10 <DocScrutinizer> well let's put it this way, you plus your oingtime via freenode to infobot was faster than mine
May 04 02:22:25 <DocScrutinizer> s/oing/ping/
May 04 02:22:26 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: well let's put it this way, you plus your pingtime via freenode to infobot was faster than mine
May 04 02:23:25 <DocScrutinizer> on my end of the continuum I've been faster than you
May 04 02:25:28 * DocScrutinizer wonders if that's a good example of Einsteins relativity theory
May 04 02:25:57 <tripzero> :P
May 04 02:26:20 <DocScrutinizer> the model for train-hating geeks
May 04 02:28:28 <DocScrutinizer> WTF??! my ssh to N900 doesn't accept any input except ^C anymore :-o
May 04 02:29:09 <DocScrutinizer> on ^C it spits out a newline with $PS1
May 04 02:30:42 <DocScrutinizer> actually it accepts a blindly entered 'date^J'
May 04 02:31:26 <DocScrutinizer> hehe 'stty sane^J'
May 04 02:31:55 <arachnist> DocScrutinizer: ^C twice and blindly input "reset"
May 04 02:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> stty sane did the job
May 04 02:32:47 <DocScrutinizer> thanks anyway
May 04 02:40:25 <DocScrutinizer> #!/bin/sh \n## file /usr/local/bin/apt-get \nif [ $1 -eq install ]; then \n$@ && echo '$@' >$HOME/installed-aps.sh \nelse \$@ \fi
May 04 02:47:22 <pgas> -eq is to compare numbers
May 04 02:48:18 <luke-jr> [ "$1" == 'install' ]
May 04 02:48:19 <luke-jr> ftw
May 04 02:48:40 <pgas> == is a bashism
May 04 02:49:44 <Stskeeps> yes it is
May 04 02:49:46 <luke-jr> so use bash
May 04 02:49:47 <luke-jr> :D
May 04 02:51:09 <DocScrutinizer> grmppf
May 04 02:51:55 <pgas> or just use =, but yes quote "$1" "$@"
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