**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 14 02:59:56 2010
May 14 03:01:17 <kdubois> what library do i use in maemo to program in internet connectivity?
May 14 03:03:27 <pupnik> libconic?
May 14 03:03:54 <pupnik> http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/
May 14 03:03:58 <pupnik> i dunno
May 14 03:05:21 <njsf_> kdubois: you mean managing interfaces or connecting to services etc ?
May 14 03:05:52 <kdubois> ideally, i'd just be able to call get_internet_connection() :P
May 14 03:09:25 <njsf_> call me old fashioned I just like plain old bind/connect/list/accept/read/write/send/recv/close :)
May 14 03:11:05 <hawai`i> yes. Just use a socket and call it a day.
May 14 04:06:53 <kdubois> this may be another dumb question, but, using the hildon ui widgets looks different than the widgets that came by default on the n900. are those custom gtk widgets?
May 14 04:14:54 <ds3> anyone know what's going on with Mapper? Is there 2 apps of the same name or is there a radical overhaul?
May 14 04:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> ovi is so incredibly unattractive
May 14 04:44:49 <DocScrutinizer> ovistore to be precise
May 14 04:47:37 <ljp> put rose colored glasses on, that might help :)
May 14 04:55:50 <kajko> ovi store is crap... agreed
May 14 05:00:03 <pigeon> can you use ext2 for the micro sd cards on the n900?
May 14 05:00:52 <microlith> pigeon: you can, but the usb mouting service won't work
May 14 05:02:09 <pigeon> hmm, i've put the card it, detected, dmesg shows it, but it's not mounted automatically, is that normal?
May 14 05:02:18 <microlith> believe so
May 14 05:02:25 <microlith> it's expecting fat32 on the card
May 14 05:02:36 <pigeon> ah, right, ok.
May 14 05:02:38 <pigeon> thanks
May 14 05:07:08 <dotblank> my groveshark is about 25% done!
May 14 05:07:11 <dotblank> app*
May 14 05:07:25 <dotblank> I got it to authenticate with grooveshark
May 14 05:13:00 <pigeon> weird, reformatted to vfat, still nothing
May 14 05:33:26 <DocScrutinizer> open backlid and close
May 14 05:33:44 <DocScrutinizer> pigeon: ^^^
May 14 05:37:56 <DocScrutinizer> ~nuke DBMS lockup
May 14 05:37:57 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DBMS lockup ... B☢☢M!
May 14 05:38:07 <DocScrutinizer> ~attack timriker
May 14 05:38:08 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing timriker
May 14 05:38:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~good bot
May 14 05:38:22 <infobot> aw, gee, DocScrutinizer
May 14 05:38:28 <Wolfie> a fembot?
May 14 05:38:41 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, she's cute
May 14 05:38:53 <DocScrutinizer> when she's got no headache in her database
May 14 05:39:09 <Wolfie> fair enough
May 14 05:39:18 <DocScrutinizer> ~status
May 14 05:39:19 <infobot> Since Thu May 13 03:41:14 2010, there have been 14 modifications, 61 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 27 commands.  I have been awake for 1d 1h 58m 4s this session, and currently reference 117032 factoids.  I'm using about 21500 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2656.61/84.82 child 0.2/0.06
May 14 05:39:34 <DocScrutinizer> 117032, now that sounds better
May 14 05:41:37 <DocScrutinizer> ~chaninfo
May 14 05:41:37 <infobot> I'm on 107 channels: #debian/937, #maemo/512, #kde/354, #meego/347, #gsoc/262, #asterisk/248, #openmoko/163, #wowace/151, #oe/140, #webos-internals/137, #wowuidev/132, #wowhead/104, #sc2mapster/100, #openmoko-cdevel/95, #htc-linux/87, #utah/65, #tomcat/61, #edev/57, #bzflag/55, #curseforge/53, #asterisk-dev/51, #wowwiki/46, #slug/45, #uclibc/43, #gllug/37, #elinux/35, #/34, #norganna/34, #utos/32, #uphpu/30, #brlcad/26, #openjtag/23, ...
May 14 05:41:37 <infobot> i've cached 5017 users, 3632 unique users, distributed over 107 channels.
May 14 05:50:13 <RST38h> OMG infobot is a shadow overlord KILL IT QUICK
May 14 05:53:52 <d14> morning o/
May 14 05:53:58 <DocScrutinizer> morning
May 14 05:54:16 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: most noticeably infobot is back to normal
May 14 05:54:32 <DocScrutinizer> actually since a day +1h
May 14 05:54:38 <DocScrutinizer> 2h
May 14 06:00:37 <DocScrutinizer> moin raster
May 14 06:02:10 <raster> dooc!
May 14 06:02:56 <pigeon> DocScrutinizer: hmm, didn't seem to do anything
May 14 06:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> check dmesg
May 14 06:03:57 <pigeon> it detected the card and partition, that's it.
May 14 06:04:02 <pigeon> mmcblk1
May 14 06:04:10 <pigeon> mmcblk1: p1
May 14 06:04:42 <DocScrutinizer> you formated what exactly
May 14 06:04:45 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 14 06:04:53 <DocScrutinizer> which fs?
May 14 06:05:26 <pigeon> mkfs.vfat -F 32
May 14 06:06:46 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I never used -F 32 iirc
May 14 06:07:05 <pigeon> hmm
May 14 06:07:07 <DocScrutinizer> why not just format in HFM?
May 14 06:07:14 <pigeon> hfm?
May 14 06:07:29 <DocScrutinizer> hildon filemanager
May 14 06:07:58 <pigeon> the file manager? i don't see the card there actually.
May 14 06:08:02 <pigeon> i was wondering about that.
May 14 06:08:18 <DocScrutinizer> that's quite odd
May 14 06:10:22 <DocScrutinizer> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=10K count=1
May 14 06:10:56 <DocScrutinizer> will nuke all partition tables and fs markers
May 14 06:11:15 <DocScrutinizer> card will be recognized as unformatted
May 14 06:13:01 <DocScrutinizer> on 'inserting' it (actually closing the lid) you probably get a requester asking if it should be formatted - or at least it should show up in FM then (I think)
May 14 06:15:07 <mece> Good morning maemonian hordes
May 14 06:15:12 <DocScrutinizer> moo
May 14 06:15:31 <mece> ~pr1.2
May 14 06:15:32 <infobot> from memory, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 14 06:15:38 <mece> just checking :)
May 14 06:15:52 <pupnik_> mece we could be a lot bettetr
May 14 06:16:11 <mece> pupnik_, wot wot?
May 14 06:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> no, infobot, PR1.2 is <reply>/cs akick $WHO
May 14 06:16:47 <pupnik_> mece we could be a lot bettetr
May 14 06:16:50 <pupnik_> i just spent 15 hours tryng to get a new app to maemo
May 14 06:17:24 <pupnik_> and if i keep art it for a week or two i might figure it out
May 14 06:17:29 <mece> pupnik_, what is failing?
May 14 06:17:32 <pupnik_> but why for gods sake
May 14 06:17:59 <mece> pupnik_, are you having trouble getting it to devel?
May 14 06:18:15 <pupnik_> no i need to make it work with maemo
May 14 06:18:30 <pigeon> DocScrutinizer: /dev/zero... still wouldn't come up, very odd
May 14 06:18:31 <pupnik_> then comes the deb/upload fun
May 14 06:18:40 <pigeon> [18511.828002] mmcblk1: mmc0:3fcc SD08G 7.42 GiB
May 14 06:18:42 <pigeon> [18511.828338]  mmcblk1: unknown partition table
May 14 06:18:45 <pigeon> so it's seeing it
May 14 06:18:48 <mece> pupnik_, rightyright. Are you porting something existing?
May 14 06:19:01 <pupnik_> yeah
May 14 06:19:11 <mece> pupnik_, should I be excited?
May 14 06:19:13 <pupnik_> apple ii emulator
May 14 06:19:16 <DocScrutinizer> pigeon: yep. So there's no option in FM to format it now?
May 14 06:19:17 <mece> hee
May 14 06:19:18 <pupnik_> not really
May 14 06:19:22 <pigeon> maybe i'll try rebooting the phone
May 14 06:19:25 <pigeon> DocScrutinizer: nope, still nothing.
May 14 06:19:26 <mece> pupnik_, so what's the problem then?
May 14 06:19:48 <pupnik_> it makes nasty noises and wont take kbd input
May 14 06:20:17 <pupnik_> someone emailed me for help
May 14 06:20:23 <DocScrutinizer> pigeon: your top level treeview in FM showing what?
May 14 06:20:24 <mece> pupnik_, keyboard seems to be the biggest issue with porting.
May 14 06:20:35 <pigeon> DocScrutinizer: only N900
May 14 06:20:44 <DocScrutinizer> incredible
May 14 06:21:05 <pupnik_> mece i spent so much time of my life on this
May 14 06:21:06 <DocScrutinizer> try mkfs.vfat without the -F 32
May 14 06:21:19 <pupnik_> nokia can try to pry this n900 from me
May 14 06:21:30 <pigeon> i'm doing it on the n900 itself this time, yeah.
May 14 06:21:38 <DocScrutinizer> first partition it maybe, with sfdisk
May 14 06:21:54 <mece> pupnik_, are you using a loaner device?
May 14 06:22:05 <pupnik_> yea
May 14 06:22:19 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if a card without partition table (superfloppy) would work
May 14 06:22:23 <pupnik_> just frustrated
May 14 06:22:25 <mece> pupnik_, have they asked about it? A friend of mine has one, and he hasn't mentioned it.
May 14 06:22:39 <pigeon> same, i'm rebooting now.
May 14 06:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> maybe a good idea
May 14 06:23:00 <pupnik_> no.  and ill keep working too.  just sometimes i get beat down
May 14 06:23:51 <DocScrutinizer> some partitioning tools recommend booting after you changed a partition table
May 14 06:25:43 <pigeon> DocScrutinizer: there! "Memory card".
May 14 06:25:44 <DocScrutinizer> pigeon: also the automounter fu might have blown chunks
May 14 06:25:57 <DocScrutinizer> great
May 14 06:26:05 <dotblank> is http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/nonfree Packages down?
May 14 06:26:07 <pigeon> thanks
May 14 06:26:09 <DocScrutinizer> almost like windows :-P
May 14 06:26:37 <pigeon> ;)
May 14 06:26:48 <F66F> Hi i have an beginner problem I tried to Compile the Qt4 hello Wold Example 4 my n900 using the ESbox. I build the application 4 Arma and copied the executeable to the phone ... but everytime i try 2 exicute with ./qt4helloworld I get the nasty erro unexpeced ( ... has anyone an i Idear whats going wron?
May 14 06:26:49 <F66F> g
May 14 06:28:13 <dotblank> F66F, I think your trying to copy a binary built for a differant target
May 14 06:28:15 <dotblank> try make clean
May 14 06:28:17 <dotblank> then make
May 14 06:29:23 <F66F> dotblank: I also tried 2 write an hello wolrd console programm but i wasnt able to find the executeabe in the directorys ...
May 14 06:29:24 <DocScrutinizer> also a   od -c `which mc`|head -1   might reveal sth
May 14 06:30:04 <DocScrutinizer> s/`which mc`/qt4helloworl/
May 14 06:30:04 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: also a   od -c qt4helloworl|head -1   might reveal sth
May 14 06:30:10 <F66F> is there anywhere an early begginers tutorial?
May 14 06:32:01 <sobczyk> hi, is it possible to stream video to pc from n900?
May 14 06:32:13 <F66F> sobczyk: i think so
May 14 06:32:39 <dotblank> sobczyk, yes with vlc
May 14 06:32:52 <sobczyk> there is vlc for n900? :)
May 14 06:32:54 <dotblank> sobczyk, also you could just netcat a file
May 14 06:34:13 <DocScrutinizer> socat
May 14 06:34:16 <dotblank> so I got the QtSDK beta to work with my none pr1.2 device.... im in heaven.  Iall the apps ive been making since the sdk released now work :)
May 14 06:34:31 <dotblank> non*
May 14 06:40:35 <Appiah> vlc works on n900
May 14 06:40:52 <Appiah> I dont know of any gui port but the cli should work without any problems
May 14 06:47:27 <F66F> is MADDE  ready 2 go?
May 14 06:48:09 <F66F> are you using qt creator and an manual compile in scratchbox or ESbox?
May 14 06:48:18 <MacDrunk> hey
May 14 06:48:42 <MacDrunk> any change that a 3g 850 mhz would be made for nokia n900
May 14 06:52:24 <DocScrutinizer> prolly not
May 14 06:54:06 <dotblank> F66F, yes
May 14 07:03:13 <F66F> thx cu later when im back home ....
May 14 07:05:26 <wall[e]> hi, should led blink gently while sleeping?
May 14 07:05:37 <Stskeeps> depends on charging mode
May 14 07:05:41 <wall[e]> my n900's led don't blink
May 14 07:05:44 <wall[e]> it isn't charging
May 14 07:06:06 <wall[e]> is yours blinking?
May 14 07:06:19 <Stskeeps> depends on if i have it in my car charger or not
May 14 07:06:43 <wall[e]> it isn't blinking when unplug?
May 14 07:06:54 <Stskeeps> no, that'sualy some kind of notification
May 14 07:06:54 <Appiah> that can be turned on / off
May 14 07:06:59 <alterego> Ooo, "Ovi Store is New and Improved" :D
May 14 07:07:08 <wall[e]> it helps me finding it in the dark
May 14 07:07:30 <alterego> Not for N900 :D
May 14 07:08:14 <wall[e]> Appiah: found, thanks a lot
May 14 07:17:31 <Shapeshifter> mh. I could need some help installing pyqt4, here. apt doesn't want to, because 'python2.5-qt4: Depends: python2.5-qt4-core (= 4.7.3-maemo2) but 4.7-maemo7 is to be installed' for all the ~20 components
May 14 07:17:52 <dAnIeLLL> good day
May 14 07:18:31 <Shapeshifter> furthermore: 'python2.5-qt4-core: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5) but 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed'
May 14 07:19:14 <Shapeshifter> inconceivable that such a mess can persist for months...
May 14 07:19:32 <hrw-uds> Shapeshifter: welcome in nokia world
May 14 07:21:07 <Shapeshifter> so, does someone have some debs I can use?
May 14 07:21:21 <Appiah> If you want to port a GTK application to run on Maemo ,and it depends on GTK 2.16 (maemo uses 2.14) What alternatives do I have?
May 14 07:22:15 <hrw-uds> Shapeshifter: use qt from sdk repo
May 14 07:22:37 <alterego> Shapeshifter: it's unfortunate, but the work-around has been about for months too :P
May 14 07:23:02 <Shapeshifter> hrw-uds: that is safe? could you hand me the repo line, please?
May 14 07:23:24 <hrw-uds> Shapeshifter: http://is.gd/c6svp
May 14 07:23:44 <alterego> Shapeshifter: I've been doing it for weeks now, stable for me. :)
May 14 07:24:01 <Shapeshifter> nice, thanks
May 14 07:24:37 <hrw-uds> Shapeshifter: or install LR1.2 on phone
May 14 07:25:09 <Shapeshifter> nah. I'm not that interested.
May 14 07:25:43 <hrw-uds> ~curse nokia for keeping toys
May 14 07:25:45 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia for keeping toys !
May 14 07:25:53 <alterego> Is it "safe" to install PR1.2 (loser edition) onto the phone and _not_ install the CMT component? Will that allow me to flash back to 1.1.1 without issue?
May 14 07:26:10 <Stskeeps> short story no
May 14 07:26:16 <alterego> Crabs
May 14 07:26:22 <alterego> Oh well.
May 14 07:26:30 <alterego> Stskeeps: interested in pointing me to the long story? ;)
May 14 07:26:40 <DocScrutinizer> anybody aware of any tool to eavesdrop on i2c communication (sw)?
May 14 07:26:55 <Stskeeps> strace? :P
May 14 07:26:57 <Stskeeps> ltrace?
May 14 07:27:06 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: hmm
May 14 07:27:39 <DocScrutinizer> my last strace rebooted the device ;-P
May 14 07:29:16 <DocScrutinizer> for sure it's no big thing to patch the kernel driver with a few printk
May 14 07:29:44 <Stskeeps> or that
May 14 07:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> if only I had the slightest idea how to build a kernel XP
May 14 07:32:04 <DocScrutinizer> ~debian DocScrutinizer
May 14 07:32:05 * infobot tells DocScrutinizer to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
May 14 07:32:11 <Shapeshifter> ...updating catalogues over 2g ftl.
May 14 07:32:34 <slonopotamus> infobot: :D
May 14 07:32:36 <infobot> d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure.
May 14 07:32:54 <slonopotamus> infobot: n
May 14 07:32:55 <infobot> i heard n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure.
May 14 07:32:55 <Shapeshifter> lolwut
May 14 07:33:51 * slonopotamus confused
May 14 07:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~bzflag
May 14 07:34:32 <infobot> i heard bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (win32, linux, mac, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker
May 14 07:35:03 <ruskie> :)
May 14 07:35:09 <Treibholz> there is a bzflag for maemo?
May 14 07:36:09 <DocScrutinizer> hm, good question
May 14 07:36:28 <slonopotamus> ~timriker
May 14 07:36:29 <DocScrutinizer> /join #bzflag and ask tim riker ;-P
May 14 07:36:30 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy.
May 14 07:36:37 <TigerTael> I love how if the N900's screen is turned off and you want to check it, you slide up the keyboard, the screen turns on, you slide it back down 2 seconds later, the screen turns off immediately...
May 14 07:36:43 <TigerTael> It's so awesome.
May 14 07:37:07 <slonopotamus> TigerTael: the only problem is that it doesn't work always
May 14 07:37:13 <Shapeshifter> TigerTael: I actually like that
May 14 07:37:42 <slonopotamus> TigerTael: if you touch screen, it won't turn off quickly
May 14 07:37:54 <Shapeshifter> though I guess using the slider switch would be better anyway
May 14 07:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: that's on purpose
May 14 07:39:05 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: I'd call it a bug if it were different
May 14 07:40:59 <DocScrutinizer> TigerTael: yeah, it's actually smart
May 14 07:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> not *that* smart, as hw-kbd input also resets the timer. Well that's at least debatable
May 14 07:43:24 <TigerTael> DocScrutinizer, ah...
May 14 07:43:30 <TigerTael> But I -like- it.
May 14 07:43:31 <TigerTael> A lot.
May 14 07:43:47 <TigerTael> Quite often I want to check the screen quickly.
May 14 07:44:14 <mece> does anyone feel like helping me get my QPlainTextEdit to scroll?
May 14 07:44:53 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, for quickly checking the screen the lockswitch actually is the better alternative, less wear
May 14 07:45:23 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer: lockswitch is harder to use with one hand
May 14 07:45:33 <DocScrutinizer> that's correct
May 14 07:45:42 <mece> I use the app that makes power button unlock
May 14 07:45:55 <DocScrutinizer> tweakr
May 14 07:45:57 <mece> (and lock)
May 14 07:46:00 <mece> no not that one
May 14 07:46:06 <DocScrutinizer> oO
May 14 07:46:13 <mece> lemmesee
May 14 07:46:32 <DocScrutinizer> anyway my hw button is borked  =(
May 14 07:46:53 <mece> DocScrutinizer, your power button?
May 14 07:46:57 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
May 14 07:47:15 <alterego> "app to make power button unlock" ? I thought it did that already :P
May 14 07:47:28 <mece> so how do you turn on your phone?
May 14 07:47:47 <slonopotamus> mece: why you want that?
May 14 07:47:56 <TigerTael> Why isn't important.
May 14 07:48:11 * DocScrutinizer waiting joyfully for the first time he's standing in the rain, phone has shut down for weird reasons and DocScrutinizer is shouting terrible swearwords while watching out for a cab
May 14 07:48:15 <slonopotamus> shutdown -h now?
May 14 07:48:24 <slonopotamus> err
May 14 07:48:31 <slonopotamus> forget what i said
May 14 07:48:33 <mece> it's powerlock. Well actually it locks with a single click on the power button, and it's pretty usable for one handed
May 14 07:48:43 <slonopotamus> i read that as 'turn off'
May 14 07:48:47 <mece> hee
May 14 07:50:30 <DocScrutinizer> (switch on) for now I fond a method to gently press the button with a 3.41mm long nail of my left hand's middle finger, while holding it 47° angle up to the moon
May 14 07:50:32 <mece> come to think of it I don't really like powerlock.
May 14 07:50:35 <mece> removing.
May 14 07:50:37 <DocScrutinizer> found even
May 14 07:51:37 * slonopotamus enjoys stereo sound from n900 while balancing it on his head
May 14 07:51:58 <DocScrutinizer> I heard you can set force-poweron in flasher with R&D mode, so inserting bat or attaching the charger should make it start
May 14 08:00:25 <corecode_> if the bitrate is too low, i think you need to do some special dc elimination coding
May 14 08:00:47 <corecode_> at 2.4k, 9 bits are already at 260Hz
May 14 08:04:05 <dhq1> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.2/Release
May 14 08:04:44 <TigerTael> dhq1, mmm?
May 14 08:05:06 <dhq1> TigerTael: what do you think
May 14 08:06:29 <X-Fade> dhq1: Yeah, so? I set that up months ago ;)
May 14 08:08:56 <wall[e]> anyone want 3d artist for foss game n900 can ping me
May 14 08:09:11 <wall[e]> i am good!
May 14 08:09:27 <dhq1> X-Fade: but uploaded today
May 14 08:10:19 <X-Fade> dhq1: No, it is just a copy of extras at the moment.
May 14 08:10:50 <mece> wall[e], post an add in development on tmo. There might actually be some takers, who knows?
May 14 08:10:57 <X-Fade> dhq1: So both fremantle and fremantle-1.2 extras are the same now. After PR1.2, only the fremantle-1.2 one will continue to update.
May 14 08:11:20 <wall[e]> mece: will, thanks :)
May 14 08:11:36 <wall[e]> but probably prefer some irc regular
May 14 08:11:46 <wall[e]> hobbies should be done on irc not mail
May 14 08:11:52 <wall[e]> :)
May 14 08:12:01 <dhq1> X-Fade: damn i was so happy thinking pr1.2 would be out today :(
May 14 08:12:07 <mece> hee
May 14 08:12:13 <wall[e]> now building a theme
May 14 08:12:25 <X-Fade> dhq1: Release file will update on every promotion to Extras ;)
May 14 08:12:53 <dhq1> which means we are near
May 14 08:13:12 <X-Fade> dhq1: No.
May 14 08:13:29 <dhq1> hmmm
May 14 08:13:35 <X-Fade> This is extras, not SSU repo.
May 14 08:13:40 <Appiah> :D
May 14 08:13:45 * dhq1 is sad.....
May 14 08:14:18 <Appiah> I laugh every time when I see someone talking about PR1.2
May 14 08:14:29 * dhq1 wishes she had a boyfriend to help console her
May 14 08:15:07 <Appiah> well you could write a app for that dhq1
May 14 08:16:17 <dhq1> hmmm
May 14 08:18:12 <RST38h> http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway
May 14 08:18:30 <dolphin>  http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway
May 14 08:18:42 <thresh> http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway
May 14 08:18:56 <RST38h> heh
May 14 08:19:00 <dolphin> sorry
May 14 08:19:04 <thresh> combobreaker:(
May 14 08:35:37 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, i generally make calls which are 10-120 mins long
May 14 08:35:41 <timeless_mbp> and send very few text messages
May 14 08:35:48 <timeless_mbp> my calls are also generally international
May 14 08:36:06 <timeless_mbp> the closest ones are England, and the furthest ones are generally California, although I've also called Mexico City :)
May 14 08:37:49 <Shapeshifter> ehm. installed the qt from the sdk repo to make pyqt work. Now, whend I do 'from PyQt4 import QtCore' it says: "RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyQt4.QtCore module required API v7.1"
May 14 08:37:54 <Shapeshifter> what's missing?
May 14 08:39:35 <Shapeshifter> and what's 'sip' referring to, anyway?
May 14 08:39:41 <Shapeshifter> sip telephony? why would I need that?
May 14 08:41:36 <Shapeshifter> do I need a newer python from the sdk repo maybe?
May 14 08:41:37 <timeless_mbp> the Qt you're seeing isn't your father's Qt
May 14 08:41:40 <Surfa> sip is a protocol that enables you to talk over packet data connections
May 14 08:41:42 <timeless_mbp> it's Qt mobility apis
May 14 08:41:56 <timeless_mbp> remember a while ago Qt worked to make a phone stack
May 14 08:42:06 * timeless_mbp can't remember the name of the phone (Qtopia something)
May 14 08:42:09 <Surfa> Shapeshifter, it's more or less standard way of doing that so most probably you will use it in the future, like it or not :)
May 14 08:42:36 <timeless_mbp> my calls are probably 90% sip, 7% skype, 3% pots
May 14 08:42:51 <timeless_mbp> (by time, not volume)
May 14 08:43:02 <Surfa> Shapeshifter, but actually to be more exact, the sip is just session initiating protocol.. that may be used for multiple other purposes too
May 14 08:43:08 <Shapeshifter> Surfa: sure, I know what sip is. I didn't know it was part of QtCore. in any case, any clues how to get rid of that error?
May 14 08:43:46 <Surfa> well, sip is quite crucial for mobility stuff so it is needed :)
May 14 08:44:34 <timeless_mbp> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571203
May 14 08:46:01 <Shapeshifter> timeless_mbp: yeah I googled that already.
May 14 08:46:03 * timeless_mbp wonders if sip is a different sip
May 14 08:46:09 <Shapeshifter> but they "fixed" it somewhere.
May 14 08:46:14 <Shapeshifter> yeah I think that sip is not *the* sip.
May 14 08:46:33 <timeless_mbp> it might be "Software Input Panel"
May 14 08:46:33 * Shapeshifter goes asking in #python
May 14 08:47:24 <timeless_mbp> but i don't think so
May 14 08:47:31 <timeless_mbp> it looks like python and co being 'helpful'
May 14 08:47:38 * timeless_mbp suggests shooting python a couple of times
May 14 08:47:45 <timeless_mbp> it'll make you feel better if nothing else :)
May 14 08:48:58 <Shapeshifter> noooo, my lovely pythong :'(
May 14 08:49:06 <pupnik> i suggest timeless_mbp and pupnik grab a couple of beers someday
May 14 08:49:07 <Shapeshifter> s/g //
May 14 08:49:08 <infobot> Shapeshifter meant: noooo, my lovely python:'(
May 14 08:51:37 <inz> Shape, freudian slip?
May 14 08:52:45 <DocScrutinizer51> timeless_mbp: greenphone
May 14 08:52:45 <zlimvos> cant figure out how to uncompress an .lzh on my n900, any ideas?
May 14 08:53:04 <Shapeshifter> I installed python2.5-sip4 and it's gone now.
May 14 08:53:19 <jaska> .lzh? someone still uses lha?
May 14 08:53:21 <Shapeshifter> inz: it's odd. I do that typo thrice a day
May 14 08:53:37 <Shapeshifter> probably because *ng is so common in english
May 14 08:53:43 <zlimvos> for the amiga emulator, want to run some old skool demoz :p
May 14 08:54:56 <RichardP> is there a multitouch implementation for Maemo?
May 14 08:55:09 <DocScrutinizer51> timeless_mbp: when they discontinued it, they suggested to use openmoko for further development of qte ;-)
May 14 08:55:43 <timeless_mbp> yeah, that worked well :)
May 14 08:55:49 <DocScrutinizer51> hehe
May 14 08:56:07 <DocScrutinizer51> ljp was happy like a clam
May 14 08:56:09 <inz> Shape, or maybe you would rather talk about thongs
May 14 08:57:25 <Shapeshifter> inz: :P
May 14 08:58:20 <DocScrutinizer51> lempel ziff huffman.... hmm
May 14 09:12:22 <agi> fú
May 14 09:46:07 <wazd> ~seen vdvsx
May 14 09:46:09 <infobot> vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 20h 1m 40s ago, saying: 'fine here :D'.
May 14 09:46:12 <wazd> :(
May 14 09:46:28 <wazd> hello people :)
May 14 09:46:33 <Stskeeps> lo wazd
May 14 09:47:31 <wazd> Stskeeps: heya :)
May 14 09:47:34 <RST38h> helo wazd
May 14 09:47:44 <wazd> RST38h: moo
May 14 09:47:44 <RST38h> how is life treating you nowadays? =)
May 14 09:47:58 <thresh> yo
May 14 09:48:01 <wazd> RST38h: meh, deadlines season :)
May 14 09:48:06 <wazd> thresh: o/
May 14 09:48:16 <RST38h> wazd: ...and then 3 months of calm
May 14 09:48:21 <wazd> RST38h: yeah :)
May 14 09:48:31 <wazd> RST38h: that keeps me alive :)
May 14 09:52:47 <DocScrutinizer51> muhaha gpsjinni... in 'general'  screen it shows I'm walking with 4.7-5.2Km/h. that's quite ok - not though the ~784Km/h the 'speed' display shows
May 14 09:56:33 <wazd> where's VDVsx I wonder :)
May 14 09:57:01 <wazd> just checked BlueMaemo and was shocked with "waiting for connection" screen :D
May 14 10:06:52 <rmrfchik> hmm. how to mount a path in dosbox? I can't enter ":" or Ctrl-F1
May 14 10:30:25 <rmrfchik> ping
May 14 10:30:50 <lcuk> pong
May 14 10:31:34 <rmrfchik> hmm. how to mount a path in dosbox? I can't enter ":" or Ctrl-F1
May 14 10:32:34 <andre__> why?
May 14 10:33:47 <rmrfchik> Functional key gives me ` and I have no idea where is F1 ;)
May 14 10:36:35 * frals pongs lcuk
May 14 10:37:04 <lcuk> yeah frals you have plenty of pong to give
May 14 10:37:10 <lcuk> i suggest you go shower actually ;)
May 14 10:37:12 <frals> :D
May 14 10:43:53 <Shapeshifter> mh. has qt4 been in rootfs in pr.1.1.1?
May 14 10:44:12 <Shapeshifter> suddenly, I have 30mb free on rootfs after having upgraded to the qt4.6 from the sdk repo.
May 14 10:44:17 <Shapeshifter> as opposed to 12 before
May 14 11:02:38 <Shapeshifter> mh. yay the new pyside (shiboken) is significantly faster than the old one :)
May 14 11:02:58 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: ^ which means alarmed starts much more quickly
May 14 11:10:00 <Khertan> Hi !
May 14 11:10:44 <Khertan> to qt maemo dev ... does the kinetic doesn't work the same  on qt4.6 than on qt 4.5 ?
May 14 11:11:26 <Khertan> on 4.5 putting on a QTextEdit an attribute FingerScrollable was enought
May 14 11:11:38 <Khertan> but doesn't seems to work on 4.6
May 14 11:12:21 <Kaadlajk> Khertan: on 4.6.2 kinetic scrolling should be enabled on default
May 14 11:13:21 <Khertan> hum ... doesn't seems to be the case on QTextedit
May 14 11:13:34 <Khertan> i m just in a "select" mode
May 14 11:13:50 <Arkenoi> seems that $600 is minimal price in Moscow. ~$500 offers are chinese fakes
May 14 11:14:05 <Khertan> in fact i ve just just test.. no select mode too
May 14 11:14:10 <Arkenoi> that's funny because chilese fakes cost $150 or so
May 14 11:14:13 <Khertan> it s just move the cursor
May 14 11:14:22 <Arkenoi> chinese
May 14 11:17:03 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: nice :-)
May 14 11:18:06 <bullet`> hi everyone
May 14 11:22:29 <RST38h> moo to whoever I have not mooed yet today
May 14 11:22:49 <bullet`> mooing ?
May 14 11:23:12 <lcuk> hey RST38h
May 14 11:23:14 * bullet` mooes to RST38h !! good day :p
May 14 11:25:05 <RST38h> heya lcuk
May 14 11:26:31 <Kaadlajk> Khertan: http://doc.troll.no/qt-maemo-4.6/platform-notes-maemo5.html says that QTextEdit doesnt have kinetic scrolling enabled on default
May 14 11:26:51 <Kaadlajk> Khertan: http://doc.troll.no/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-textedit.html
May 14 11:30:40 <achipa> whoa
May 14 11:30:53 <achipa> that first article on maemo.org/news just got very... binary
May 14 11:32:01 <SpeedEvil> huh?
May 14 11:32:01 <X-Fade> achipa: ?
May 14 11:32:14 <SpeedEvil> A ridiculous race is going on in the world of Smartphones, with each  competitor boasting about the number of available apps for his platform.  With Apple tal
May 14 11:32:15 <SpeedEvil> ...
May 14 11:32:17 <SpeedEvil> wfm
May 14 11:32:35 <achipa> yeah
May 14 11:32:38 <achipa> now click on the link
May 14 11:33:04 <SpeedEvil> Oh
May 14 11:33:06 <frals> hehe
May 14 11:33:09 <X-Fade> Ah, wtf.
May 14 11:33:10 <achipa> Oh indeed :)
May 14 11:33:33 <SpeedEvil> OMG! It's PR1.3!
May 14 11:33:51 <achipa> or the Apple commando :)
May 14 11:34:11 <SpeedEvil> It's gzipped
May 14 11:34:17 <SpeedEvil> but the server is not indicating so
May 14 11:34:52 <DocScrutinizer> errrrwut?
May 14 11:35:26 <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/tomch.html - mirror of uncompressed
May 14 11:37:20 <frals> baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
May 14 11:37:25 <frals> ~curse Qt
May 14 11:37:27 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Qt !
May 14 11:39:10 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: 13:36 3255 37   37   -201 760  760  760  65535 226   30  0
May 14 11:39:27 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil:       mv   RSOC CSOC mA   NAC  CACD CACT TTF   TTE   TEMP EDV1 LOW
May 14 11:39:58 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: 3V255 :-D
May 14 11:40:00 <SpeedEvil> ?
May 14 11:40:05 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 14 11:40:15 <DocScrutinizer> running my bat flat
May 14 11:40:18 <SpeedEvil> mine shut down at - I think - 3100 or so
May 14 11:40:24 <DocScrutinizer> aah
May 14 11:40:34 <SpeedEvil> I hadn't turned GSM off though
May 14 11:40:47 <SpeedEvil> It was saying 6^ RSOC
May 14 11:40:50 <SpeedEvil> 6%
May 14 11:41:03 <SpeedEvil> which means 'between EVDF1 and EVDF2
May 14 11:42:09 <DocScrutinizer> well the phone is whining and nagging since >90min now. And I got backlight on all the time
May 14 11:43:00 <DocScrutinizer> hah! dead
May 14 11:43:02 <SpeedEvil> diddn't make any noises for me
May 14 11:43:09 <ZogG> wierd my mauku and tweego can't log in
May 14 11:43:12 <MohammadAG> dead bme?
May 14 11:43:17 <ZogG> does twitter changed api?
May 14 11:43:23 <MohammadAG> twitter kicked you
May 14 11:43:25 <MohammadAG> hmm
May 14 11:43:26 <RST38h> Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg called his first few thousand users "dumb fucks" for trusting him with their data, published IM transcripts show.
May 14 11:43:27 <DocScrutinizer> dead battery
May 14 11:43:34 * RST38h hehes
May 14 11:43:37 <MohammadAG> maybe they switched to OAuth
May 14 11:43:45 <MohammadAG> but that's schedueled for July
May 14 11:43:51 <DocScrutinizer> hope I'll manage to switch it on again >:-O
May 14 11:44:19 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: If you leave it overnight - it seems to get to 32V
May 14 11:44:21 <SpeedEvil> 3.2V
May 14 11:44:35 <pigeon> on the n900 is it possible to toggle between the mass storage mode and pc suite mode without unplugging the usb cable?
May 14 11:44:50 <MohammadAG> nope, sadly
May 14 11:44:56 <pigeon> hmm
May 14 11:44:57 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 14 11:45:01 <SpeedEvil> reboot
May 14 11:45:05 <MohammadAG> LOL
May 14 11:45:07 <pigeon> ahha!
May 14 11:45:33 <ZogG> <MohammadAG> maybe they switched to OAuth (what are you talking about?)
May 14 11:45:41 <omar> RST38h, where'd you get that from?
May 14 11:47:30 <MohammadAG> ZogG, twitter will switch to OAuth in July
May 14 11:47:43 <MohammadAG> tweego uses the API method
May 14 11:47:48 <MohammadAG> which will be dumped
May 14 11:47:53 <ZogG> oh
May 14 11:47:57 <ZogG> so it was to me
May 14 11:47:58 <MohammadAG> only witter uses OAuth afaik
May 14 11:48:03 <ZogG> anyway it doesn't work =)
May 14 11:48:05 <MohammadAG> should be in july
May 14 11:48:07 <MohammadAG> http://apiwiki.twitter.com/OAuth-FAQ
May 14 11:48:29 <ZogG> oh, didn't know -thanks
May 14 12:02:32 <dotblank> check it out...
May 14 12:02:45 <dotblank> just got my client to get song lists from grooveshark
May 14 12:02:46 <dotblank> http://imgur.com/fexMx.png
May 14 12:07:51 <alterego> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52190 -- Awesome...
May 14 12:08:10 <chem|st> crashanddie: no
May 14 12:08:25 <crashanddie> fair enough
May 14 12:08:40 <chem|st> crashanddie: whats up?
May 14 12:09:24 <crashanddie> nha, some wanker who was multi-posting on TMO to get up to 5 posts and be able to use the private messages
May 14 12:09:38 <crashanddie> really, I'd call that attempt to spam, but well, texrat deleted the fraudulent messages
May 14 12:10:10 <chem|st> crashanddie: you bunch'o'freaks
May 14 12:10:33 <chem|st> crashanddie: well not you but them...
May 14 12:10:48 <crashanddie> that's what I thought, bitch
May 14 12:10:51 <chem|st> my mailbox is full with TMO reported posts
May 14 12:11:05 <crashanddie> chem|st: gmail?
May 14 12:11:13 <chem|st> no
May 14 12:11:17 <crashanddie> ah, fail :)
May 14 12:11:53 <crashanddie> I had an auto filter that would mark them as read if they were older than 12h, would automatically archive them and label them (removing them from my inbox)
May 14 12:12:10 <chem|st> private server... and full in terms on I open the first page and 50%+ is TMO
May 14 12:13:07 <chem|st> as Smod I have to look as I cant consider to have reggie doing it all
May 14 12:13:21 <chem|st> so gotogo
May 14 12:14:42 <crashanddie> are you getting paid for this shit?
May 14 12:21:29 <alterego> I was thinking of implementing per-contact ring tones, is there any chance of this being in PR1.2? I can't recollect actually hearing anything about it ...
May 14 12:21:55 <X-Fade> alterego: Not in my PR1.2 version at least.
May 14 12:22:01 <timeless_mbp> alterego: incredibly unlikely
May 14 12:22:04 <timeless_mbp> so please do implement it
May 14 12:22:22 <alterego> Unlikely for 1.2, but is it in any kind of N900 roadmap
May 14 12:22:24 <alterego> ?
May 14 12:22:39 <dotblank> I know a why
May 14 12:22:41 <dotblank> way*
May 14 12:22:54 <timeless_mbp> alterego: i don't think we have a roadmap
May 14 12:22:54 <X-Fade> alterego: I think most improvements planned are not in the 'phone' part.
May 14 12:22:57 <jaska> call filtering?
May 14 12:23:07 <dotblank> I madea a post about ti..
May 14 12:23:13 <alterego> jaska: I've actually got a script that does call filtering already ;)
May 14 12:23:14 <timeless_mbp> or if we have a roadmap it's likely that the roadmap gets changed so often that no one knows what's on it :)
May 14 12:23:22 <dotblank> you make the ringtone a named pipe
May 14 12:23:26 <alterego> Even has a UI, I might work on both of these over the weekend and push to extras
May 14 12:23:32 <jaska> o.O
May 14 12:23:46 <X-Fade> alterego: Interesting :)
May 14 12:23:51 <alterego> dotblank: interesting, good idea, I was thinking a symlink ^.^
May 14 12:24:01 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: We have GPS, but the Amazon Ash Cloud (AC2) is preventing reception from satellite signals
May 14 12:24:12 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: and well, roadmaps suck.
May 14 12:24:13 <timeless_mbp> crashanddie: awesome
May 14 12:24:24 <dotblank> alterego, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49522
May 14 12:25:31 <crashanddie> btw, WTF Nokia? "Even teddy bears need a holiday... in Finland" http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64B2Q920100512?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FoddlyEnoughNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Oddly+Enough%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
May 14 12:26:20 <`0660> dotblank, pretty cool hack :)
May 14 12:27:02 <dotblank> im working on a grooveshark client right now too
May 14 12:27:09 <tybollt> crashanddie: amazon ash cloud? Look I know amazon.com are assholes - but that they intentionally release ash clouds into the ahmospehere? ;)
May 14 12:28:09 <crashanddie> Hey, they're an American corporation
May 14 12:28:16 <crashanddie> shitting all over Europe for profit is what they do best
May 14 12:29:00 <zlimvos> uae4all will crash upon trying to run any app :( i have tried 2 kick.roms 1.3 and they look ok
May 14 12:29:36 <crashanddie> Sometimes it backfires, and you get a European oil corp shitting all over the east coast of the US
May 14 12:29:43 <crashanddie> but the general rule is that Europe gets the hard stick
May 14 12:30:17 <alterego> Is there a hack to get MfE to use a self-signed cert?
May 14 12:30:25 <alterego> Can I just download it and stick it in some directory somewhere?
May 14 12:30:31 <crashanddie> erhm
May 14 12:30:39 <crashanddie> self-signed cert as in server is self-signed?
May 14 12:30:47 <alterego> yes
May 14 12:31:00 <crashanddie> put your self-signed CA in the trusted Root certs?
May 14 12:32:18 <crashanddie> ohh, did I just baffle you?
May 14 12:32:40 <tybollt> crashanddie: :D
May 14 12:35:14 <crashanddie> hmm, just got declined for 2 jobs canonical, still 4 applications pending with them
May 14 12:35:35 <crashanddie> though I was told by an insider "Don't even expect a response, if you don't hear anything after 2 weeks, move on"
May 14 12:35:57 <alterego> crashanddie: do you know where the certs are stored?
May 14 12:36:05 <crashanddie> so I don't if that means my candidacies were so bad they felt they had to reply, or so good that I just missed it.
May 14 12:36:15 <crashanddie> alterego: settings > certificates
May 14 12:36:31 <alterego> crashanddie: adding it to there will get MfE to accept it?
May 14 12:36:39 <crashanddie> s/don't/don't know/
May 14 12:36:49 <crashanddie> alterego: do you understand how PKI works?
May 14 12:37:01 <TriztFromWork> timeless_mbp; Run into a slight problem with the translation selection, when in "Select preferred source for English", both 'Default' and 'Native Speaker' are displayed as 'current' and I get the default Nokia English instead of your translations.
May 14 12:37:04 <alterego> crashanddie: I don't know what PKI is if that's what you mean :P
May 14 12:37:21 <crashanddie> meh
May 14 12:37:30 <crashanddie> I'm going to have breakfast, later
May 14 12:37:37 <crashanddie> alterego: help yourself: google.com
May 14 12:41:00 <timeless_mbp> TriztFromWork: yeah
May 14 12:41:08 <timeless_mbp> something is broken, i'll try to fix it on sunday :(
May 14 12:41:23 <timeless_mbp> if you're using .1, you can try using <dotless>, i think it's working a bit better
May 14 12:47:48 <TriztFromWork> timeless_mbp; okey, I can live with the Nokia English this weekend, though you had some config file where I could remove the "default" from
May 14 12:48:18 <timeless_mbp> not easily
May 14 12:48:22 <timeless_mbp> i mean
May 14 12:48:24 <timeless_mbp> you could cheat
May 14 12:48:53 <timeless_mbp> if you renamed /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0 to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.backup
May 14 12:49:12 <timeless_mbp> and then made a symlink or something from /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.1 to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0
May 14 12:49:19 <timeless_mbp> (roughly)
May 14 12:49:33 <timeless_mbp> although perhaps a copy is better than a symlink
May 14 12:50:05 <TriztFromWork> okey, that was kind of the solution I was thinking about yesterday. I think I'll wait instead, or else I just forget to rename the direcotry lateron
May 14 12:57:56 <timeless_mbp> keep in mind that *.0 gets overwritten as part of a backup process and .1/.2 get overwritten as part of the deb update process
May 14 12:58:24 <MohammadAG_> the iPhone's 1 button is multifunctional
May 14 12:58:28 <timeless_mbp> (so you kinda want to replace .0 and <undotted> with .1 at the same time
May 14 12:58:35 <timeless_mbp> (a symlink could actually be very bad)
May 14 12:58:48 <MohammadAG_> one click takes you to the homescreen, 2 to the phone, 3 to accessibility options
May 14 12:58:57 <MohammadAG_> might be useful for camkeyd
May 14 13:01:05 <TriztFromWork> timeless_mbp; I'll try to remember to not use symlink if I do that hack
May 14 13:18:46 <alterego> scht
May 14 13:19:22 <alterego> My device rebooted whilst I was attempting to setup MfE, now it's got itself into a state where it thinks the wizard dialog is already opened when it isn't.
May 14 13:28:07 <korhojoa> hey guys, would it be possible to stream from the camera with vlc and v4l?
May 14 13:28:33 <korhojoa> that'd be pretty awesome if i could get it to work
May 14 13:30:52 <GAN900> korhojoa, yes.
May 14 13:31:52 <korhojoa> now where can i get vlc, can't seem to find it in the repos
May 14 13:32:08 <MohammadAG_> Qole's repo
May 14 13:33:24 <korhojoa> do you have a line for that?
May 14 13:33:28 <MohammadAG_> sec
May 14 13:33:49 <MohammadAG_> deb http://qole.org/repository maemo fremantle
May 14 13:34:07 <korhojoa> thanks
May 14 13:34:19 <MohammadAG_> np
May 14 13:35:26 <korhojoa> damn. how do you enter that in the app manager?
May 14 13:38:02 <korhojoa> weird. it's like 27 degrees here
May 14 13:38:13 <korhojoa> at this time of year. in finland.
May 14 13:38:15 <korhojoa> jebus.
May 14 13:46:38 <TriztFromWork> korhojoa; here it's just 11 degrees... and this is just the crap west of you
May 14 13:49:09 <korhojoa> TriztFromWork: :D hah. ert väder suger!
May 14 13:50:06 <TriztFromWork> korhojoa; :) kyllä se niin on
May 14 13:54:57 <hawai`i> Left my N900 with about 90% battery, MSN and email over EDGE for 8 hours last night
May 14 13:55:08 <hawai`i> Woke up to 68% battery. My new voltage table is BOMBDIGGITY
May 14 13:55:41 <frals> so err
May 14 13:55:44 <frals> http://mms.frals.se/dialog/pretty.png vs http://mms.frals.se/dialog/functional.png
May 14 13:55:47 <frals> which one should i use
May 14 13:55:52 <MohammadAG_> pretty!
May 14 13:55:53 <MohammadAG_> sec
May 14 13:56:01 * frals looks over at timeless_mbp
May 14 13:56:10 <hawai`i> frals: Pretty
May 14 13:56:11 <timeless_mbp> ?
May 14 13:56:21 <hawai`i> Or
May 14 13:56:34 <frals> i changed the entries like you suggested, problem is MMSC doesnt fit on screen without scrolling
May 14 13:56:55 <timeless_mbp> frals: that's expected behavior for fremantle
May 14 13:57:14 <timeless_mbp> i'd move the MMSC abve the proxy stuff
May 14 13:57:18 <MohammadAG_> frals, tbh I don't like the pretty one a lot, BUT you could make the ip one shorter and make the port txt box next to it
May 14 13:57:19 <lcuk> frals, where have you moved MMSC to?
May 14 13:57:31 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: "offscreen down, see invisible scrollbar indicator"
May 14 13:57:35 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, he has to scroll from what I understand
May 14 13:57:36 <frals> lcuk: need to scroll to see it in the pretty one :<
May 14 13:58:00 <timeless_mbp> frals: anyway, move the MMSC above Proxy
May 14 13:58:00 <lcuk> doh timeless_mbp how could i miss the invisible scrollbar *rolleyes* ;)
May 14 13:58:12 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: take your rolling eyes to someone who can fix it!
May 14 13:58:23 <timeless_mbp> you almost certainly have better access now than i do
May 14 13:58:24 <frals> timeless_mbp: good point, that i can do
May 14 13:58:26 <lcuk> i would technically move it above username
May 14 13:58:43 <MohammadAG_> i would move the port number next to the IP
May 14 13:58:51 <timeless_mbp> hrm, yeah lcuk's right, APN, MMSC, User, Pass, Proxy, Port
May 14 13:58:58 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, yeah i know, i rolleyes whenever hidden ux is discussed ;)
May 14 13:59:01 <MohammadAG_> xx.xx.xx.xx:port
May 14 13:59:04 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG_: proxy could be a host instead of a port
May 14 13:59:20 <lcuk> thats a nice one timeless
May 14 13:59:22 <timeless_mbp> err s/port/ip/
May 14 13:59:23 <MohammadAG_> so move the text box next to it
May 14 13:59:27 <lcuk> a combined field for ip/port
May 14 13:59:35 <hawai`i> host:port
May 14 13:59:35 <lcuk> errr both on same line
May 14 13:59:42 <MohammadAG_> just a "ux" change
May 14 13:59:43 <timeless_mbp> the problem w/ combined things is that you're assuming users know how to enter that
May 14 13:59:49 <timeless_mbp> this isn't likely
May 14 13:59:52 <hawai`i> Use the label to tell them
May 14 13:59:58 <hawai`i> : is the field separator
May 14 13:59:59 <timeless_mbp> Proxy:Port ?
May 14 14:00:04 <timeless_mbp> as a label?
May 14 14:00:06 <MohammadAG_> that's not what i meant
May 14 14:00:06 <hawai`i> Yes
May 14 14:00:07 <timeless_mbp> do you think that'll work?
May 14 14:00:17 <hawai`i> Then 2 separate dialog boxes
May 14 14:00:24 <timeless_mbp> hawai`i: that's where we started =b
May 14 14:00:26 <hawai`i> timeless_mbp: I think you'd have to be a complete moron not to understand that.
May 14 14:00:28 <hawai`i> haha
May 14 14:00:31 <hawai`i> Ah I see
May 14 14:00:39 <timeless_mbp> hawai`i: the majority of people are
May 14 14:00:44 <frals> yeah not gonna combine them based on my experience with users filling in fields
May 14 14:00:46 <hawai`i> This is true.
May 14 14:01:15 <timeless_mbp> what you could do is make tapping the proxy field pop up a dialog asking for both
May 14 14:01:32 <timeless_mbp> if you really want to "save space"
May 14 14:02:01 <muelli> hm. can one have only two profiles on the N900?
May 14 14:02:07 <timeless_mbp> muelli: no
May 14 14:02:12 <timeless_mbp> the ui only exposes two profiles
May 14 14:02:15 <timeless_mbp> the backend doesn't care
May 14 14:02:29 <timeless_mbp> (users are simpletons, profiles are confusing)
May 14 14:02:43 <satmd> maybe
May 14 14:02:45 <muelli> timeless_mbp: hm. Which translates to two profiles only -.-
May 14 14:02:46 <timeless_mbp> oh, and more importantly, the ui designers are simpeltons
May 14 14:02:53 <timeless_mbp> s/pel/ple/
May 14 14:02:53 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: oh, and more importantly, the ui designers are simpletons
May 14 14:03:00 <satmd> I agree
May 14 14:03:02 <timeless_mbp> or were, they don't exist anymore
May 14 14:03:24 <timeless_mbp> trying to design a good ui for profiles is hard
May 14 14:03:31 <aquatix> they've been... eliminated?
May 14 14:03:35 <hawai`i> Not really.
May 14 14:03:39 <timeless_mbp> and i'd actually rather the ui team screw up w/ 2 profiles than screw up an editor
May 14 14:03:53 <timeless_mbp> this way the deficiency is obvious and a third party can see a need and fill it
May 14 14:04:00 <timeless_mbp> just as frals saw a need for fMMS and wrote it
May 14 14:04:18 <timeless_mbp> and is taking feedback from people and customers and iterating to improve his product
May 14 14:04:30 <aquatix> true
May 14 14:04:41 <hawai`i> it's a 2 edged sword.
May 14 14:04:42 <timeless_mbp> anyway, any of you are invited to do profiles right
May 14 14:04:44 <aquatix> 3rd party solution might be best
May 14 14:04:47 <hawai`i> We have the power to do it
May 14 14:04:56 <timeless_mbp> keep in mind that i've actually written ~4 control panels for maemo/mer
May 14 14:05:00 <aquatix> a bit like Locale or Timeriffic do on Android
May 14 14:05:00 <hawai`i> but it shouldn't be due to that, that things are less out.
May 14 14:05:04 <timeless_mbp> and have helped people w/ various other things
May 14 14:05:14 <timeless_mbp> hawai`i: =~ s/less/left/ ?
May 14 14:05:18 <hawai`i> Yes.
May 14 14:05:46 <RST38h> Strangers in the moo...
May 14 14:05:55 <hawai`i> Trying to eat some breakfast and write some scripts at the same time
May 14 14:06:26 <MohammadAG> frals, was thinking of something like this http://i43.tinypic.com/mwzfco.jpg
May 14 14:06:30 <MohammadAG> back to the N900
May 14 14:07:29 <hawai`i> You could then slim down the box heights
May 14 14:07:58 <MohammadAG_> which would bring him back to the functional one
May 14 14:08:10 <hawai`i> Not completely
May 14 14:08:50 <MohammadAG_> Each to their own :) Moving the port next to the IP is the cleanest method to use consistent UX
May 14 14:09:02 <hawai`i> I agree, kind sir.
May 14 14:09:18 <MohammadAG_> :)
May 14 14:09:42 <MohammadAG_> tbh I never thought of the consistency UX till people started complaining
May 14 14:09:53 <MohammadAG_> s/cy/t
May 14 14:11:43 <hawai`i> You're so beautiful, you could be a part-time model.
May 14 14:12:09 <MohammadAG_> guess it's time for hawai`i's pills again
May 14 14:12:18 <hawai`i> nooo but I don't want them!
May 14 14:12:39 <aquatix> and i just was feeling flattered
May 14 14:14:14 <frals> MohammadAG_: interesting idea :)
May 14 14:14:26 <frals> anyone here using fMMS and on DNA .fi btw? :/
May 14 14:20:12 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: a colleague said "well, regressed in harmattan, is there a shirt for that?"
May 14 14:21:13 * SpeedEvil is chargin' his laz0r.
May 14 14:21:19 <SpeedEvil> s/laz0r/n900/
May 14 14:21:34 * SpeedEvil stabs BME.
May 14 14:22:11 <lcuk> timeless_mbp eep
May 14 14:26:33 <GAN900> frals, did I ever ask you if fMMS would be feasible as a plugin?
May 14 14:26:53 <frals> plugin for conversations?
May 14 14:27:10 <GAN900> Yeah
May 14 14:27:35 <GAN900> Since having a whole app for it is kinda clunky.
May 14 14:27:39 <frals> well, if someone is mad enough to do it he can feel free, im not going to thou
May 14 14:27:58 <frals> ive talked to some people with knowledge in the area and they advised against it as well
May 14 14:28:06 <lcuk> GAN900, one step at a time - to insert into conversations it would need a whole lot more
May 14 14:30:10 <GAN900> Too bad
May 14 14:30:23 <GAN900> Hooray for Nokia's useless plugin interfaces.
May 14 14:31:23 <GAN900> "If we make this impossible, nobody will want to waste their time trying to do it and asking us questions!"
May 14 14:31:33 <GAN900> "We don't have to do docs, either!"
May 14 14:31:41 <RST38h> Can't have useful plugin interfaces if people do not use and review them
May 14 14:31:55 <lcuk> GAN900, they give you a plugin system
May 14 14:32:05 <RST38h> (example: stdio vs iostreams)
May 14 14:32:42 <GAN900> lcuk, apparently it's unusable
May 14 14:32:45 <tybollt> yes frals
May 14 14:32:51 <GAN900> So, might as well not have one.
May 14 14:33:07 <RST38h> no, no, there is a line in "deliverables" to be checked
May 14 14:33:08 <tybollt> if you get fmms to work asa plugin
May 14 14:33:17 <tybollt> -> FRALS FOR PREZ
May 14 14:33:23 <GAN900> Clearly not a good way to go about doing things if the only people shipping plugins are Collabora, luck. :)
May 14 14:33:51 <RST38h> well to be fair there are other people besides collabora...
May 14 14:34:03 <RST38h> the -haze guy is not from collabora, right?
May 14 14:34:55 <lcuk> GAN900, the plugins are for backend providers afaik, nothing to do with front end ui.  is there a system anywhere that could do as you think is possible
May 14 14:36:23 <frals> fwiw its probably doable
May 14 14:36:43 <zaheerm> telepathy is around for more than just maemo, and there is more than just collabora using it and making backends for it
May 14 14:37:07 <frals> but like, from my pov i dont see it as worthwhile to spend time on atm as there is plenty other stuff to fix
May 14 14:37:22 <frals> also easier changing a no to yes then a yes to a no ;-)
May 14 14:38:27 <tybollt> frals: fwiw FRALS FOR PREZ is also probably doable... especially w/ such stolpskott as Toiblerone Sahlin that is aspiring for it :)
May 14 14:39:06 <zash> what
May 14 14:41:20 <GAN900> zaheerm, yes, but Conversations?
May 14 14:43:13 <zaheerm> GAN900, the plugins there are just account plugins no? the majority of the code needed is as telepathy connection managers and the like
May 14 14:45:32 <GAN900> I'd love to see a sane way to provide new services in Conversations
May 14 14:45:58 <GAN900> If Nokia's going to ship a centralized communications area, it should be able to be extended easily.
May 14 14:47:11 <zlimvos> anyone might have a clue why uae4all will crash on all applications? even the ones confirmed working with n900
May 14 14:48:34 <Mbere> hmmmm
May 14 14:49:58 <zlimvos> e-uae will at least try (and fail)
May 14 14:54:19 <chadi> hello guys. On the N900, is there a way to prevent the cam from starting when the lens is opened?
May 14 14:54:46 <jacekowski> chadi: glue
May 14 14:55:02 <Mbere> glue?
May 14 14:55:03 <chadi> is that an app?
May 14 14:55:07 <jacekowski> chadi: depends, you can either hack software or hardware
May 14 14:55:20 <jacekowski> chadi: piece of black tape on sensor would do the job
May 14 14:55:26 <chadi> I thought it was implemented already
May 14 14:55:51 <chadi> expected the feature to be available in tweakr, but it wasn't
May 14 14:55:59 <E0x> chadi: install tweakr
May 14 14:56:21 <E0x> tweakr hava that feature
May 14 14:56:33 <chadi> E0x it says: opening lens unlocks device
May 14 14:56:46 <E0x> oh
May 14 14:57:03 <E0x> true
May 14 14:57:09 <Mbere> are we there yet?
May 14 14:57:23 <chadi> the main reason why I'm asking is that I use the lens for the flashlight app most of the time, I rarely take photos
May 14 14:58:14 <chadi> somebody must have done that!
May 14 14:59:33 <DocScrutinizer> nope
May 14 14:59:38 <DocScrutinizer> it's difficult
May 14 15:00:32 <DocScrutinizer> I looked into it, but was too much effort to even figure out how you could tackle it
May 14 15:00:54 <SpeedEvil> chadi: The problem is the infrastructure around that is closed.
May 14 15:00:57 <DocScrutinizer> mce closed, camera-gui closed
May 14 15:01:10 <GAN900> jacekowski, it's magnetic.
May 14 15:01:18 <DocScrutinizer> nope
May 14 15:01:23 <GAN900> and stupid non-configurable.
May 14 15:01:25 <jacekowski> GAN900: no
May 14 15:01:29 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, oh?
May 14 15:01:29 <jacekowski> GAN900: it's not magnetic
May 14 15:01:33 <chadi> oh, too bad :/
May 14 15:01:34 <jacekowski> GAN900: it's light sensor
May 14 15:01:39 <jacekowski> GAN900: take your cover off
May 14 15:01:41 <SpeedEvil> chadi: It looks like - from a preliminary look - it would need wrapping the camera app at least in a wrapper, that pretends to be it.
May 14 15:01:44 <jacekowski> GAN900: and look at it fro inside
May 14 15:01:50 <DocScrutinizer> IR reflective active sensor
May 14 15:01:50 <jacekowski> GAN900: when you close cover and open it
May 14 15:01:56 <GAN900> Ah, IR, I see it.
May 14 15:02:00 <GAN900> Nevermind, then.
May 14 15:02:01 <jacekowski> GAN900: and you will see white and black squares
May 14 15:02:08 <SpeedEvil> I consider the easier way to be to write a kernel driver for the flashlight LEDs, expose it as a LED class device.
May 14 15:02:10 <jacekowski> piece of black tape will do
May 14 15:02:18 <SpeedEvil> Then tell the video4linux device how to use that
May 14 15:02:35 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: basically a second proximity sensor
May 14 15:02:37 <SpeedEvil> and then drill two holes in the camera cover, and fill with clear plastic.
May 14 15:02:50 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, yes, I see it. :P
May 14 15:03:28 <SpeedEvil> So you can just turn on the flashlight without opening the shutter.
May 14 15:12:29 <chadi> was hoping for a solution via software
May 14 15:12:55 <chadi> i hate the fact that a lot of important features of maemo aren't open source :/
May 14 15:13:23 <mikki-kun> hm, anybody an idea how i can get a dump of all the packages currently installed on my sys?
May 14 15:14:03 <mikki-kun> i am not that familiar with apt
May 14 15:14:19 <SpeedEvil> chadi: Well - see above
May 14 15:14:30 <SpeedEvil> Well - apart from the drilling holes bits.
May 14 15:15:21 <chadi> yeah I did
May 14 15:16:02 <Stskeeps> dpkg -l , mikki-kun
May 14 15:16:26 <alterego> Seems slightly over engineered using an IR sensor to detect the camera slide open ^.^
May 14 15:16:31 <mikki-kun> ahhh, it's a totally different command then... that's i can't find it anywhere in the mans
May 14 15:17:01 <Khertan_Home> hi
May 14 15:18:39 <Khertan_Home> someone know if there is a documentation somewhere with the specificities of using qt 4.6 on maemo ?
May 14 15:19:05 <Khertan_Home> i mean something like how to use autorotate ... the stacked window ... the kinetic scrolling ?
May 14 15:19:49 <alterego> Khertan_Home: by specifics? Do you mean the Qt mobility API?
May 14 15:20:01 <Khertan_Home> i ve start writting my code with pyqt (qt 4.5) ... and now i ve many things to change, scrolling didn't work ... stacked windows too
May 14 15:20:25 <Khertan_Home> alterego, nope ... standart things
May 14 15:20:37 <Khertan_Home> or maybe autorotate are in the qt mobility api ?
May 14 15:20:46 <hawai`i> Can somebody send me the default phone icon?
May 14 15:21:16 <alterego> Khertan_Home: I don't think there is anything Maemo specific :/
May 14 15:21:21 <alterego> Documentation wise that is ..
May 14 15:21:37 <alterego> I've just been picking little bits up here and there.
May 14 15:21:48 <alterego> autorotate is a window hint I believe.
May 14 15:21:53 <Lynoure> Khertan_Home: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt/Finger_Scrolling for example, the info is here and there
May 14 15:22:03 <mece> Khertan_home, we just fixed that for noobmonk3y, I forget where I found the references
May 14 15:22:04 <alterego> Which you should be able to see in the lates Nokia SDK Qt Creator UI designer
May 14 15:22:45 <mece> Khertan_home, ah yeas. Here's the stacked windows: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html
May 14 15:22:56 <Khertan_Home>  setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); <<< doesn't seems to work on qt4.6
May 14 15:23:10 <alterego> Khertan_Home: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html
May 14 15:23:16 <mece> Khertan_home, here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/
May 14 15:23:17 <Khertan_Home> alterego, thx
May 14 15:23:19 <alterego> That looks useful .. Without the stacked windows bit :)
May 14 15:23:20 <mece> maemo specifics
May 14 15:23:39 <Khertan_Home> mece, thx
May 14 15:24:03 <alterego> Looks like I'm gonna have a fun weekend :)
May 14 15:24:17 <Khertan_Home> for example also, i didn't found on http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/ how to disable the auto capitalization
May 14 15:24:22 <Khertan_Home> on a QTextEdit
May 14 15:24:34 <alterego> That's an input hint
May 14 15:24:40 <Lynoure> Khertan_Home: I have not actually tried that yet. Are you setting it on something that uses QAbstractScrollArea?
May 14 15:24:42 <alterego> Hang on I'll just get that.
May 14 15:25:16 <Khertan_Home> Lynoure, didn't remember ... i just know that i ve try under qt4.5 .. it was working
May 14 15:25:21 <Khertan_Home> it s not under qt4.6
May 14 15:25:26 <Khertan_Home> and as i 'm a qt beginner
May 14 15:25:32 <Khertan_Home> i ve got some difficulty :)
May 14 15:25:35 <Khertan_Home> i ve got some difficulties :)
May 14 15:26:14 <Khertan_Home> last source is available here : http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/trees/master
May 14 15:26:14 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 14 15:27:48 <Khertan_Home> Lynoure, my QTextEdit is in a QFrame
May 14 15:28:13 <Khertan_Home> which is set in the QMainWindow with a setCentralWidget()
May 14 15:29:23 <alterego> Khertan_Home: QWidget::inputMethodHints
May 14 15:29:43 <mikki-kun> doesn't the media player of the n900 use gstreamer for playing media?
May 14 15:29:47 <alterego> You've got loads of cool IM stuff in there :)
May 14 15:30:15 <Khertan_Home> alterego, thanks i ll look
May 14 15:31:09 <Lynoure> Khertan_Home: I don't think I have used QFrames myself, so cannot say if it affects that in some way
May 14 15:31:12 <alterego> Khertan_Home: I was being lazy, here you go ;) : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/qwidget.html#inputMethodHints-prop
May 14 15:32:25 <alterego> And that's the maemo-4.6 docs too, so it should be in there ;) (hopefully)
May 14 15:32:34 <Khertan_Home> Lynoure, in fact i'm not sure i use it the right way, but i assume that as it was working in qt4.5 ... it should in qt4.6, isn't it ?
May 14 15:32:58 <Khertan_Home> alterego, thx i was looking in the doc :)
May 14 15:33:08 * Khertan_Home prefer the simple gtk documentation :)
May 14 15:33:23 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: so you working with qt4.6 now?
May 14 15:33:34 <Lynoure> Khertan_Home: Would not be surprised if some things work differently
May 14 15:33:38 <Khertan_Home> crashanddie, yep :)
May 14 15:33:44 <Khertan_Home> Lynoure, yep :)
May 14 15:33:44 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: how hard to set up?
May 14 15:33:52 <Khertan_Home> crashanddie, easy in fact
May 14 15:34:00 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: did you blog about it?
May 14 15:34:05 <Khertan_Home> i ve installed the fremantle sdk repository
May 14 15:34:13 <Khertan_Home> apt install
May 14 15:34:16 <Khertan_Home> et hop !
May 14 15:34:25 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: blog about it :P
May 14 15:34:29 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: and put it on maemo planet
May 14 15:34:30 <Khertan_Home> (and remove the sdk repository after to avoid problems)
May 14 15:34:59 <Khertan_Home> i think i ve see someone already put the informations somewhere
May 14 15:35:02 <Khertan_Home> let me found it
May 14 15:35:10 <frals> crashanddie: there was a post about it yesterday or smth about it iirc
May 14 15:36:00 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: yes, but you need to do it too
May 14 15:36:08 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: information duplication = revelation
May 14 15:36:17 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: you are my Bible, I only trust information coming from you
May 14 15:36:18 <redeeman> strange, the double directory entries bug just went away for me
May 14 15:36:23 <Khertan_Home> crashanddie, lol
May 14 15:36:58 <Khertan_Home> crashanddie, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=654370 <<-
May 14 15:37:11 <Khertan_Home> exactly the same way i did it
May 14 15:37:20 <Khertan_Home> but after activate extras deval
May 14 15:37:22 <Khertan_Home> but after activate extras devel
May 14 15:37:29 <Khertan_Home> and made an upgrade of pyqt
May 14 15:37:30 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 14 15:37:41 <Khertan_Home> yep i ll try to made news about it
May 14 15:37:46 <Lynoure> Starting to use Qt4.6 was indeed quite straightforward
May 14 15:38:05 <Khertan_Home> but before i need to found why maemo.org/planete didn't read anymore my rss feed
May 14 15:38:06 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 14 15:38:22 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: ask X-Fade about it
May 14 15:38:35 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: X-Fade probably doesn't like you and banned you from the feed :P
May 14 15:38:44 <Khertan_Home> Lynoure, depends if you are coding on device or with the sdk
May 14 15:38:55 <alterego> Khertan_Home: you used apt-get? I just installed the packagers manually. Also, you're using PySide? or PyQt?
May 14 15:39:22 <Khertan_Home> crashanddie, haha ... no i ll not disturb x-fade with that he has better things to do ... and he didn't banned me ...
May 14 15:39:34 <Lynoure> Khertan_Home: coding on the pc, using the result in the device, in my case.
May 14 15:39:35 <Khertan_Home> i switch from wordpress to my own system
May 14 15:39:49 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: t'as bu? Ton anglais est pire que d'habitude. Mal dormis?
May 14 15:40:07 <Khertan_Home> crashanddie, hum the both
May 14 15:40:08 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 14 15:40:17 <crashanddie> fair enough
May 14 15:41:32 <Khertan_Home> crashanddie, http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/trees/master < the project i'm working on
May 14 15:41:46 <Khertan_Home> the line number isn't well implemented
May 14 15:41:55 <Khertan_Home> i need to refine the thing
May 14 15:42:17 * Khertan_Home use now gitorious and like it !
May 14 15:42:56 <luke-jr> I just wish gitorious had repo.or.cz's UI somewhere
May 14 15:43:08 <alterego> Has anyone looked at building the "Harmatten UI framework"?
May 14 15:43:15 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home:
May 14 15:43:17 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: nice
May 14 15:43:42 <Khertan_Home> not really so nice currently ... it s just a prototype
May 14 15:44:05 <Khertan_Home> luke-jr, ?
May 14 15:44:16 <muelli> Can my root password not exceed a number of characters? Mine is pretty long but apparently it doesn't really matter which characters I type in last...
May 14 15:44:33 <luke-jr> Khertan_Home: I like that UI repo.or.cz uses
May 14 15:45:07 <Khertan_Home> luke-jr, ouch ? really ?
May 14 15:45:12 <luke-jr> yes
May 14 15:45:17 <Khertan_Home> i prefer the gitorious one...
May 14 15:45:24 <crashanddie> luke-jr: roc has become so slow it's unusable
May 14 15:45:38 <crashanddie> luke-jr: it was fine when they hosted about 200 projects, but it's seriously unusable now
May 14 15:45:55 <crashanddie> you can't actually browse any projects anymore. Unless you know the name, you're stuffed
May 14 15:45:59 <luke-jr> crashanddie: ok... yet more reason to get the UI moved to gitorious? :p
May 14 15:46:13 <luke-jr> well, don't care for browsing
May 14 15:46:17 <luke-jr> just the interface to git
May 14 15:47:30 <crashanddie> what interface?
May 14 15:47:44 <crashanddie> Browsing the different heads, being able to download specific revisions?
May 14 15:47:45 <luke-jr> git web interface version 1.6.5.GIT, (C) 2005-2006, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Christian Gierke
May 14 15:47:57 <luke-jr> eg http://repo.or.cz/w/git/ljr.git
May 14 15:48:18 <Khertan_Home> Sebastian Lauwers started watching khteditor/khteditor < héhé
May 14 15:48:52 <crashanddie> :)
May 14 15:51:26 * Khertan_Home is happy he has made his first contribution to meego wiki ! 
May 14 15:53:15 <lcuk> Khertan_Home, writing "Khertan was ere" in 72 point font on the front page could be considered a contribution, whether or not it will remain is another matter ;)
May 14 15:54:12 <dneary> andre about?
May 14 15:54:26 <dneary> lcuk, how're things?
May 14 15:55:43 <lcuk> dneary, good thanks, i can see some things better now than ever.  yourself?
May 14 15:56:44 <Khertan_Home> lcuk, lol
May 14 15:56:48 <crashanddie> lcuk: better than ever?
May 14 15:56:54 <crashanddie> lcuk: new pair of glasses? Surgery?
May 14 15:56:56 <Khertan_Home> lcuk, my contribution was on : http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners
May 14 15:57:16 <dneary> lcuk, Good
May 14 15:57:16 <Khertan_Home> and testing a builded 0.9 meego image on a netbook samsung n130
May 14 15:57:17 <Khertan_Home> ;)
May 14 15:57:23 * Khertan_Home must go on
May 14 15:57:25 <Khertan_Home> bye
May 14 15:57:29 <lcuk> crashanddie, just wiped my monitor.  i actually meant ive had time to digest last few months work
May 14 15:57:30 <Khertan_Home> or see you later :)
May 14 15:57:33 <dneary> Not sure how I feel about being treated by Jarmo as an incompetent;
May 14 15:57:46 <crashanddie> lcuk: ah, lol :)
May 14 15:57:58 <crashanddie> dneary: what's his reasoning?
May 14 15:58:17 <dneary> crashanddie, You haven't been following the "importing docs into the wiki" thread?
May 14 16:00:59 <crashanddie> hmm
May 14 16:01:01 <crashanddie> just read up on it
May 14 16:02:03 <crashanddie> I feel it's more ignorance on his part speaking than anything else, he seems to be make an amalgam of yourself, and all the sysadmins into "this current guy", without paying attention to details
May 14 16:02:17 <crashanddie> What's his role inside Nokia, and why is he being purposefully thick about this?
May 14 16:04:05 <lcuk> dneary, which ML
May 14 16:04:15 <crashanddie> lcuk: maemo-community
May 14 16:08:58 <dneary> lcuk: maemo-community
May 14 16:09:25 <crashanddie> lcuk: read about it here: https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#inbox
May 14 16:09:33 <dneary> crashanddie, He was the guy who dealt with official developer documentation, and with all subcontractors who worked on it
May 14 16:09:55 <dneary> And there is a history of this kind of conversation with Jarmo
May 14 16:09:56 <lcuk> thanks - im on it here http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-May/004271.html
May 14 16:10:00 <crashanddie> so really he should be aware of the processes?
May 14 16:10:07 * lcuk unsubscribed from -community a while ago for some reason or other
May 14 16:10:18 <dneary> lcuk: That's where it starts getting nice
May 14 16:10:34 <dneary> crashanddie, He doesn't really understand "the community"
May 14 16:10:40 * frals unsubscribes lcuk for some reason or other
May 14 16:10:58 * lcuk cant remember why actually
May 14 16:11:01 <dneary> He has some idea of things in his head, but he is still stuck in the traditional "I work, and people will like what I do, or else"
May 14 16:11:05 <dneary> mindset
May 14 16:11:27 <dneary> lcuk: Probably a long meandering thread that didn't interest you?
May 14 16:11:28 <crashanddie> welcome to Uni Corp
May 14 16:11:33 <dneary> We tend to get some of those
May 14 16:11:56 <lcuk> dneary, it would have to be really long, i think some other reason - gmail is good at folding things up normally
May 14 16:16:09 <dneary> lcuk: Finished?
May 14 16:17:17 <lcuk> An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list
May 14 16:17:18 <lcuk> maemo-community@maemo.org.  You are already subscribed to this mailing list.
May 14 16:17:30 <lcuk> yes dneary i think so but i couldnt find the very start of it
May 14 16:19:35 <dneary> hi amigadave
May 14 16:19:51 <dneary> lcuk: This (and the following) is where it gets a bit nasty. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-May/004300.html
May 14 16:20:04 <amigadave> hi dneary
May 14 16:22:29 <chadi> where is this abill_uk engineer?
May 14 16:23:02 <MohammadAG_> he's an engineer
May 14 16:23:06 <MohammadAG_> ?
May 14 16:23:08 <hawai`i> Glad he's not here.
May 14 16:23:26 <Shapeshifter> well. now my free space jumped to 40mb
May 14 16:23:44 <chadi> I don't know if he is, someone always calls him an engineer as irony.
May 14 16:24:03 <chadi> hawai`i: indeed, haha
May 14 16:27:10 <dneary> amigadave, Have you seen aklapper today?
May 14 16:27:42 <amigadave> dneary: not today, but i think that he will be around tomorrow
May 14 16:28:11 <crashanddie> chadi: probably in the UK?
May 14 16:28:46 <dneary> amigadave, Do you think it's better to announce a revamped wiki gardeners group straight away, or to wait until a bugzilla product for docs exists and use that for our TODO list, and get that initialised  first
May 14 16:29:22 <amigadave> dneary: i would say hold off until the bugzilla product is there
May 14 16:29:44 <amigadave> just ping andre when he is around and it should be a quick process
May 14 16:29:56 <dneary> ok
May 14 16:30:22 <dneary> If you're around tomorrow & see him, would you mind reminding him for me? Otherwise, I'll try to catch him on Monday
May 14 16:30:58 <amigadave> dneary: sure, no problem
May 14 16:32:00 <dneary> kewl
May 14 16:32:08 <dneary> Paperwork calls... :(
May 14 16:49:25 <dneary> amigadave, Have you seen this? Interesting stuff: http://www.scribd.com/doc/17759504/Free-Chapter-Conversation-and-Community
May 14 16:52:55 <amigadave> dneary: too wordy for me, but i have now bookmarked it :)
May 14 16:53:27 <dneary> It looks like a must-have book - a technical writer explaining how to do it in the open, as a community, without getting shit out the other end
May 14 16:53:46 <dneary> I've just ordered the book
May 14 16:54:39 <Stskeeps> maybe recommendable for townxelliot too, he made some quite decent style guides for the meego stuff
May 14 16:55:33 <dneary> Stskeeps, Done already ;)
May 14 16:55:41 <Stskeeps> hehe, good
May 14 16:56:01 <dneary> in the meego forum threads about developer documentation
May 14 16:56:25 * Stskeeps goes check
May 14 16:57:31 <dneary> amigadave, You might appreciate an interview of the author? http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2010/05/13/makeall004/
May 14 16:58:04 <amigadave> dneary: thanks, i will check it out
May 14 17:00:19 <BCMM> i am considering buying a second n900 battery
May 14 17:00:41 <tripzero> do et!
May 14 17:00:48 <tripzero> i should buy one too
May 14 17:00:51 <tripzero> they are pretty cheap
May 14 17:01:10 <BCMM> how does one identify a genuine one, and am i right in thinking that third party higher-capacity ones are a bad idea?
May 14 17:01:19 <hawai`i> get it from a reputable retailer.
May 14 17:01:37 <tybollt> BCMM: One of the blokes around here has the fat battery
May 14 17:02:17 <BCMM> i didn't mean the oversized ones, i meant stuff like this somewhat sketchy thing: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HIGH-CAP-GOLD-BL-5J-BATTERY-FOR-NOKIA-5800-XPRESSMUSIC_W0QQitemZ320412723818QQcategoryZ20365QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo=MW&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8539936376393060248
May 14 17:02:23 <Stskeeps> dneary: do you have some books you recommend generally re communities, ideally re open source development
May 14 17:02:35 <dneary> Stskeeps, Yes
May 14 17:02:52 <BCMM> also, what about third-party battery chargers? are they safe?
May 14 17:02:59 <dneary> There's the bible, of course: http://producingoss.com/
May 14 17:03:00 <BCMM> i was looking at this one: http://www.eastmaze.com/BL-5J-Desktop-Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-5800-Comes-With-Music-p904.html?tkid=16&currency=GBP
May 14 17:03:10 <yigal> where is the repos for the community SSU?
May 14 17:03:15 <hawai`i> BCMM: Don't buy it off eBay.
May 14 17:03:15 <yigal> for n8X0
May 14 17:03:25 <BCMM> (i presume the power supply it wants is an old-style nokia one, of which i have several)
May 14 17:03:49 <MohammadAG> hawai'i why?
May 14 17:03:57 <MohammadAG> i got mine from ebay
May 14 17:04:12 <hawai`i> MohammadAG: Very hard to find legit batteries on eBay.
May 14 17:04:14 <dneary> Stskeeps, And I *really* like this, as a general "managing people" book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?mode=blended&search-alias=aps&tag=gnomesearchplugin-uk-21&field-keywords=peopleware
May 14 17:04:34 <BCMM> i was indeed going to avoid ebay
May 14 17:04:38 <MohammadAG> that's a desktop charger (?)
May 14 17:04:44 <dneary> Then there are the more general social media books like Here comes Everybody, or The Tipping Point
May 14 17:04:52 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 14 17:04:55 <dneary> (well, social media/social phenomenon)
May 14 17:04:57 <hawai`i> I was referring to batteries, MohammadAG.
May 14 17:05:04 <jacekowski> pr1.2?
May 14 17:05:09 <MohammadAG> oh ok
May 14 17:05:24 <dneary> But as documents to inform technology or community process choices, they're not so helpful
May 14 17:05:29 <Stskeeps> i've been meaning to get more into it - touchdd social computing from a academic angle a bit during studies
May 14 17:05:30 <hawai`i> I bought my desktop charger off eBay, works fine.
May 14 17:05:38 <jacekowski> i just saw ad on polish version of digg.com that there is free sat nav in any nokia phone
May 14 17:05:39 <dneary> Stskeeps, If you start with those four, you're on the right track
May 14 17:05:42 <hawai`i> It's actually a BP-4L charger, I just balance the BL5J in it.
May 14 17:05:44 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 14 17:06:08 <yigal> what is the apt repos for maemo's community SSU for n8x0?
May 14 17:06:08 <BCMM> what about third-party batteries that aren't pretending to be made by nokia? are they a bad idea to?
May 14 17:06:15 <dneary> I have read Jono's book, and it is a useful contribution, but not as valuable (IMHO) as Karl's book
May 14 17:06:29 <Stskeeps> best thing about maemo.org, can claim it as a expense of my company / my company activities
May 14 17:06:31 <dneary> ("The Art of Community")
May 14 17:06:36 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 14 17:07:08 <dneary> But definitely, Peopleware, great book
May 14 17:07:27 <Stskeeps> will probably order them tonight then
May 14 17:07:57 <dneary> I just recently came across a site I think could be very useful too: "Uncommon Schools"
May 14 17:08:36 <dneary> It seems sometimes like our goal (as the paid guys) is to be like teachers in new-age schools, guiding student's efforts to learn on their own, and ensuring a productive work environment
May 14 17:08:41 <Myrtti> blah.
May 14 17:08:44 <Myrtti> I hate mornings
May 14 17:09:03 <dneary> (that doesn't quite sound right, but I've definitely noticed some teaching issues when dealing with free software communities)
May 14 17:09:10 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 14 17:11:03 <BCMM> so: third-party chargers OK, third-party batteries scary?
May 14 17:12:12 <MohammadAG> BCMM, some of them yes (chargers)
May 14 17:12:28 <BCMM> hmm, some website have a photo of an actual nokia battery that says "reference only", and some small print saying "non-oem"
May 14 17:13:18 <b0unc3> hey guys, is the autobuilder working?
May 14 17:14:00 <ShadowJK> bcmm: third party desktop chargers: dubious at best
May 14 17:14:13 <BCMM> ShadowJK: how come?
May 14 17:14:19 <BCMM> and is there a nokia one?
May 14 17:14:26 <ShadowJK> third party powersupplies (things you connect to phone): less bad
May 14 17:15:06 <ShadowJK> bcmm: the cheap external/desktop chargers are usually flawed by design
May 14 17:15:20 <BCMM> ShadowJK: how?
May 14 17:15:38 <BCMM> do they not detect fully-charged batteries?
May 14 17:15:55 <BCMM> also, is there an official external charger?
May 14 17:16:15 <ShadowJK> A real charger chip costs like a dollar, a constant-current generator and a emergency battery cutoff chip costs about 0.20 dollars
May 14 17:16:39 <ShadowJK> the constant current charging would explode the battery
May 14 17:16:50 <BCMM> ShadowJK: do you know of one which won't blow up the battery?
May 14 17:17:11 <ShadowJK> the protection circuit is meant for last-resort protection and isn't rated for repeated use..
May 14 17:17:30 <ShadowJK> No, I don't
May 14 17:17:43 <yabba> b0unc3, I got my soft trought it just a while ago.
May 14 17:17:46 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: Get a spare n900 to charge battery.
May 14 17:17:51 <ShadowJK> well in all likelyhood they wont blow up your battery
May 14 17:17:51 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: heh
May 14 17:18:10 <BCMM> "Built-in smart chip recognizes a full charge and automatically switch to a save-mode." - could still refer to an emergency cutoff?
May 14 17:18:19 <ShadowJK> but they can reduce the useful lifespan of the battery if the thresholds are wide
May 14 17:18:20 <BCMM> (yes, i know it could just be a lie)
May 14 17:18:35 <ShadowJK> is that about a battery? if so it's a lie
May 14 17:18:46 <BCMM> ShadowJK: no, i charger
May 14 17:19:00 <BCMM> i know that would make no sense for a battery
May 14 17:19:07 <SpeedEvil> I haven't seen any of the emergency chips which have any failure mode I can think of in protection mode.
May 14 17:19:17 <BCMM> bah, why doesn't nokia make one?
May 14 17:19:18 <SpeedEvil> Any failure due to being cycled often
May 14 17:20:27 <BCMM> ok, since none are ideal: has anybody here had a bl-5j battery charger for a while and not blown anything up with it
May 14 17:20:32 <BCMM> and if so, where did it come from?
May 14 17:22:01 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, mine cuts off the current when the battery is full
May 14 17:22:11 <MohammadAG> and it uses the original nokia 2mm charger
May 14 17:22:29 <ShadowJK> did you measure that? :)
May 14 17:22:45 <BCMM> there are two common nokia chargers before the microusb ones, right?
May 14 17:22:55 <BCMM> which one was the 3410 charger?
May 14 17:23:05 <BCMM> i have a surprising number of those around
May 14 17:23:08 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, yes, it stops charging
May 14 17:23:21 <BCMM> (and it's awesome that the n900 comes with an adaptor)
May 14 17:24:07 <MohammadAG> the 2mm to usb one which might burn your house down? :P
May 14 17:24:56 <BCMM> MohammadAG: the adaptor that comes in the n900 box burns houses down?
May 14 17:25:14 <MohammadAG> it overheats, and in some cases melts
May 14 17:25:31 <MohammadAG> I used it with a car charger and always had it stuck to the Air C.
May 14 17:25:55 <BCMM> i shall avoid it then...
May 14 17:26:10 <BCMM> aren't cig lighter-USB adaptors really cheap anyway
May 14 17:26:23 <MohammadAG> not sure if all of them work
May 14 17:26:35 <MohammadAG> the N900 doesn't work with "dumb" chargers
May 14 17:26:47 <BCMM> MohammadAG: eh?
May 14 17:26:52 <MohammadAG> I just use a 12V to 240V converter
May 14 17:27:11 <MohammadAG> (and the charger will prolly downstep that to 12V again, which is stupid)
May 14 17:28:25 <BCMM> last time it was mentioned here, somebody said that "dumb" usb chargers can short two of the USB pins to indicate that they are dumb
May 14 17:28:36 <BCMM> MohammadAG: the n900 doesn't respect that?
May 14 17:28:52 <MohammadAG> you can connect the D+ to D- and it should charge
May 14 17:28:59 <MohammadAG> solder them
May 14 17:29:15 <BCMM> (i presume that by "dumb", you mean that it just provides power rather than an actual USB bus?)
May 14 17:30:00 <BCMM> MohammadAG: well, i was presuming that since a bunch of things use that standard now (including the annoyingly influential iphone), such chargers already have those shorted
May 14 17:30:20 <MohammadAG> some still don't :)
May 14 17:30:40 <MohammadAG> the ZaggSparq 1.0 for example
May 14 17:30:47 <MohammadAG> (not sure about the 2.0)
May 14 17:30:49 <yigal> Stskeeps: I can't find or where i can get the community ssu installer, is the info. in here? http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=30648
May 14 17:31:03 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: yes
May 14 17:31:16 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: to which bit? (sorry)
May 14 17:31:18 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: This wasn't the case as soon ago as a couple of years trhough
May 14 17:31:22 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: shorted
May 14 17:31:26 <BCMM> ah, good
May 14 17:31:38 <BCMM> actually, the iphone's effect on some things has been kinda nice
May 14 17:31:39 <MohammadAG> the zaggsparq is a year old afaik
May 14 17:31:55 <MohammadAG> yeah, it took away most annoying users
May 14 17:31:56 <MohammadAG> :P
May 14 17:31:58 <BCMM> web pages making fewer assumptions about screen resolution and using less flash for a start
May 14 17:32:20 <MohammadAG> and more HTML5
May 14 17:32:39 <MohammadAG> i'm kind of stumped that flash 10 isn't coming
May 14 17:32:56 <yabba> Stupid question, but if I load newer version of packages to the autobuilder (I use Extras assistant) will it remove older one? (There is now pykake 0.5.0-1 and I want to load pykake 0.5.0-2 in it.)
May 14 17:33:17 <yabba> *upload
May 14 17:33:19 <MohammadAG> yes, the autocleaner will purge it
May 14 17:33:39 <yabba> Ok, thanks :)
May 14 17:33:45 <MohammadAG> np :)
May 14 17:33:47 <yigal> Stskeeps: got it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649557
May 14 17:33:55 <MohammadAG> check a maemo.org/packages package page
May 14 17:42:24 * frals scratches his head
May 14 17:42:58 <frals> so err, extras-devel free source package.. if theres a .so file in there without any source thats like, bad?
May 14 17:43:21 <MohammadAG> umm yeah?
May 14 17:44:32 <frals> \callnotify-0.1.0\src\usr\lib\hildon-control-panel
May 14 17:45:00 <jjmontes> hi, anyone aware of a problem with avahi-daemon requiring upstart?
May 14 17:45:10 <MohammadAG> frals, contact him about it
May 14 17:45:18 <MohammadAG> that's basically just building a deb
May 14 17:45:31 * lcuk looks for someplace to hide
May 14 17:45:39 * frals hides lcuk behind the troutfarm
May 14 17:45:46 <lcuk> cool
May 14 17:45:55 <MohammadAG> jjmontes, I fixed that, but it seems broken from the start, disable devel and install it
May 14 17:46:10 <lcuk> protect me from @teebee76
May 14 17:46:22 <frals> teebee76 aka the misses? :D
May 14 17:46:30 <lcuk> yeah
May 14 17:46:45 <lcuk> she somehow thinks i drunk her vimto o_O
May 14 17:46:46 <jjmontes> MohammadAG, thanks, will try now
May 14 17:46:51 <Myrtti> I recon it's time for coffee
May 14 17:46:57 <Myrtti> I want vimto too
May 14 17:46:59 <jjmontes> but I don't have upstart anyway... should I have it?
May 14 17:47:18 <chadi> if i have the source of an application, can I compile and install it on the SDK thing that I installed on ubuntu? I think it's called Xephyr or something
May 14 17:47:35 <lcuk> chadi, scratchbox
May 14 17:47:37 <jjmontes> chadi: you should be able to
May 14 17:47:41 <lcuk> and yes to some degree
May 14 17:47:47 <lcuk> if its maemo application, it should be trivial
May 14 17:48:02 <chadi> Qt4.6 application
May 14 17:48:06 <lcuk> if its from another distribution/platform then you may need more ninja skills
May 14 17:48:18 <chadi> i have no skills at all, to be honest
May 14 17:48:29 <chadi> I have to discover by myself
May 14 17:48:48 <jjmontes> try to compile it, you'll see errors and dependencies not met... you'll have to work from that
May 14 17:49:02 <jjmontes> chadi: however you'd need some programming skills
May 14 17:49:02 <chadi> doesn't apt-get solve these dewpendancies?
May 14 17:49:12 <chadi> jjmontes I do have programming skills
May 14 17:49:14 <lcuk> if its a 4.6 app specifically then you may have to wait for the pr1.2 update
May 14 17:49:25 <chadi> lcuk just compile on the SDK
May 14 17:49:33 <lcuk> at least for testing on thedevice
May 14 17:49:44 <lcuk> the sdk is updated to 4.6 i think
May 14 17:49:44 <chadi> yeah i can wait for PR.12
May 14 17:49:46 * MohammadAG makes ninja sounds
May 14 17:49:51 <lcuk> but the device isnt yet
May 14 17:50:16 <MohammadAG> the device has 4.6.2
May 14 17:50:24 <MohammadAG> as libqt4-maemo5-*
May 14 17:50:24 <chadi> no problem .. it should be release by the time I learn all that :P
May 14 17:50:27 <MohammadAG> from -devel
May 14 17:50:42 <MohammadAG> 4.5 as libqt4-*
May 14 17:51:35 * lcuk can see why confusion occurs
May 14 17:51:38 <E0x> MohammadAG: ninjas dont make sounds
May 14 17:51:44 <tripzero> lol
May 14 17:51:46 <jjmontes> :D
May 14 17:51:56 <E0x> fail !
May 14 17:51:57 <MohammadAG> E0x, actually it depends :P
May 14 17:52:12 <MohammadAG> they do in a fight :p
May 14 17:52:19 <lcuk> how do you know?
May 14 17:52:20 * frals is seeing lcuks confusion
May 14 17:52:44 <MohammadAG> lcuk, NDA, can't talk about it
May 14 17:52:45 <MohammadAG> :P
May 14 17:52:47 <tripzero> MohammadAG, ninja's don't fight.  they kill
May 14 17:52:52 <tripzero> and you can't hear after you are dead
May 14 17:52:59 * MohammadAG kills tripzero, happy?
May 14 17:53:09 <lcuk> NDA == Ninja Discussion Agreement ?
May 14 17:53:13 <tripzero> haha
May 14 17:53:15 <jjmontes> MohammadAG: I had to remove account-plugin-salut (don't know why)
May 14 17:53:17 <E0x> MohammadAG: 200 of ninjas can fight and you side and you will never hear or saw it
May 14 17:53:24 <E0x> :P
May 14 17:53:44 <E0x> tripzero: ninja vs ninja can fight
May 14 17:53:55 <jjmontes> MohammadAG: still, my /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon is a broken link... dunno if it was like that before... may I ask if this is related?
May 14 17:53:56 <lcuk> but you would never win
May 14 17:54:02 <lcuk> they would be caught in an eternal battle
May 14 17:54:19 <MohammadAG> jjmontes, yes, it depends on upstart-job which doesn't exist
May 14 17:54:21 <MohammadAG> disable devel
May 14 17:54:45 <tripzero> EOx: yes, but they usually kill all standbys so they can fight uninterrupted
May 14 17:54:49 <jjmontes> MohammadAG: cool! thanks a lot for the info... I just wait a few weeks then
May 14 17:54:56 <tripzero> at least, that's what I would do
May 14 17:55:15 <MohammadAG> can we end the ninja subject? lol
May 14 17:55:22 <MohammadAG> tripzero, you're dead, so shut it
May 14 17:55:23 <MohammadAG> :P
May 14 17:55:30 <lcuk> you started it
May 14 17:55:31 <E0x> heh
May 14 17:55:36 <tripzero> man, this afterlife sucks
May 14 17:55:44 <tripzero> it's just like the one before it
May 14 17:55:46 <lcuk> only a ninja can finish it
May 14 17:55:54 <tripzero> lols
May 14 17:57:09 <MohammadAG> tripzero, does it have tmo users?
May 14 17:57:39 <tripzero> yes.  so i must be in hell
May 14 17:58:00 * VDVsx throws some ninja stars at lcuk :D
May 14 17:58:13 <crashanddie> tripzero: depends, the way I see it, most TMO users see themselves as martyrs
May 14 17:58:29 <lcuk> no, tmo users are just like real life, theres a broad swath of good honest decent hardworking people there
May 14 17:58:43 <crashanddie> martyrs, as I said
May 14 17:58:43 <MohammadAG> uhuh
May 14 17:58:47 <lcuk> and i love how those discussing tmo users in derogitory terms are tmo users themselvse
May 14 17:59:03 <crashanddie> how is martyrdom derogatory?
May 14 17:59:07 <MohammadAG> lcuk, ironic, don't you think?
May 14 17:59:27 <lcuk> heh seb i was already writing that before even seeing your comment :p
May 14 17:59:39 <lcuk> i think it everytime the tmo subject comes up
May 14 17:59:45 <crashanddie> lcuk: MY POINT EXACTLY, HOW COULD YOU FRET ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY????
May 14 17:59:59 <crashanddie> Yes, the world revolves around me.
May 14 18:00:24 <lcuk> actually it does, you need to lose some weight dude
May 14 18:00:31 <MohammadAG> LOL
May 14 18:00:32 <jeward> Anybody use vncviewer on a maemo device?  I'm wondering what Xwindow manager works best with the small display and touchscreen?
May 14 18:00:42 <crashanddie> oh, so that's why all the chicks are attracted to me? I have my own gravity pull?
May 14 18:00:42 * jeward uses an n900.
May 14 18:00:59 <lcuk> jeward, i use vnc to my windows machine and to other linux desktops
May 14 18:01:13 <lcuk> the simplest is to just lower the screen resolution on the destinatino end and make do
May 14 18:01:25 <lcuk> too much scaling or scrolling kills both performance and utility
May 14 18:01:34 <jeward> lcuk: I have it set to 800x480.
May 14 18:01:52 <lcuk> jeward, cool beans
May 14 18:02:01 <jeward> lcuk: And I set XFCE panels to autohide, but I can't get them to come back by trying to mouse off the edge of the screen.
May 14 18:02:02 <jjmontes> jeward: I use it to lnux desktops, I don't change the windowmanager
May 14 18:02:11 <lcuk> yeah that would be a problem
May 14 18:02:34 <lcuk> its a good idea to completely optimise the destination desktop if all you are going to do is vnc to it
May 14 18:02:45 <jeward> lcuk: I wonder if xmonad might be better?  I don't know if I can send the window manager keyboard commands though?
May 14 18:02:46 <lcuk> but its a pain if its a dual use and you vnc only occasionally
May 14 18:03:00 <lcuk> jeward, you have HW keyboard
May 14 18:03:03 <jeward> lcuk: I just want to dedicate one display for my n900.
May 14 18:03:08 <lcuk> xmonad is great - its a tiling WM afaik isnt it?
May 14 18:03:16 <lcuk> it reminded me of liqbase when i was mucking about
May 14 18:03:19 <jeward> Let me try install xmonad and see how it works.
May 14 18:03:22 <jjmontes> I think gnome 800x480 is just ok
May 14 18:03:39 <jeward> lcuk: Yes tiling WM for max real estate.
May 14 18:04:03 <lcuk> jjmontes, i think some of the problems with generics is expectation of right mouse button
May 14 18:04:37 <jeward> lcuk: Can you generate one with n900 vncviewer (right button)?
May 14 18:05:03 <tripzero> what WM is on maemo5?
May 14 18:05:19 <lcuk> i dont know ive not looked
May 14 18:05:40 <lcuk> tripzero, its buildable afaik but suboptimal because theres specific maemoisms atm with it
May 14 18:05:50 <lcuk> i last looked when i had n810
May 14 18:06:08 <tripzero> n810 ran matchbox didn't it?  maemo5's wm seems much more advanced
May 14 18:06:17 <jjmontes> would it be possible to use the n900 as a secondary screen?
May 14 18:06:19 <Stskeeps> it runs the libmatchbox2 stuff
May 14 18:06:31 <jeward> jjmontes: Like synergy?
May 14 18:06:32 <tripzero> matchbox-wm2?
May 14 18:06:41 * lcuk looks sideways @ email subject
May 14 18:06:45 <lcuk> "Spandex is optional"
May 14 18:06:46 <tripzero> seems unlikely... but maybe
May 14 18:06:50 <jjmontes> lcuk: I think the problem is the maemo VNC viewer is not powerful enough
May 14 18:06:58 <lcuk> jjmontes, ?
May 14 18:07:04 <jeward> jjmontes: To do what?
May 14 18:07:12 <jjmontes> I mean, I think functionality could be adapted for the tablet
May 14 18:07:30 <jjmontes> providing means to send characters, right clicks, and various keyboard mappings with ease
May 14 18:07:33 <jjmontes> and zoom
May 14 18:07:51 <jjmontes> (sorry, I was talking about functionality, not "power", my fault)
May 14 18:08:12 <RST38h> Google changes Nexus One plans, will stop selling handsets online
May 14 18:08:15 <jjmontes> jeward: not like synergy, but as a secondary screen for a laptop
May 14 18:08:19 <RST38h> End of story
May 14 18:08:22 <lcuk> jjmontes, its an x11 display
May 14 18:08:29 <Stskeeps> RST38h: really?
May 14 18:08:45 <Stskeeps> RST38h: [citation needed]
May 14 18:08:56 <Myrtti> URL or it didn't happen
May 14 18:08:58 * RST38h suggests that asking a Chinese company ot design them a handset may not have been such a good idea
May 14 18:09:10 <jjmontes> umm not sure is what I want... I'd like to be able to configure the n900 as the secondary screen, so I can drag windows to it...
May 14 18:09:45 <Myrtti> ah bah.
May 14 18:09:47 <RST38h> Are you some freaking wikipedians or what, people? Anyway: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/nexus-one-changes-in-availability.html
May 14 18:10:06 <Myrtti> RST38h: yes, actually, I am.
May 14 18:10:31 <RST38h> But anyway, HTC can always make a slightly better handset with the same specs and sell it slightly cheaper. So, I have no idea what Google has been trying for there
May 14 18:11:30 <Myrtti> RST38h: boyfriend bought Nexus One specifically because it'll get FroYo sooner than HTC Desire
May 14 18:11:56 <RST38h> Myrtti: and see where it got him? =)
May 14 18:12:27 <Myrtti> RST38h: well currently he's at work...? by car?
May 14 18:12:41 * RST38h tried the Nexus while in the US but could not get what the big fuss was
May 14 18:12:45 * Myrtti chose to ignore the joke by purpose
May 14 18:13:03 <RST38h> No, it is not better than N900, albeit lighter
May 14 18:15:28 <jeward> Oh, hmm, how to generate Mod-shift-return on n900? :)
May 14 18:15:45 * Myrtti likes her free Nexus One Google gave her
May 14 18:16:07 <lcuk> will maemo run on it
May 14 18:16:59 <jeward> Anybody know how to send a mod key in maemo vnc on the n900? :)
May 14 18:17:21 <Myrtti> why would I put maemo on it? I wouldn't run android on a N900, why would I run maemo on nexus one?
May 14 18:18:40 <Myrtti> I wouldn't install Windows or Linux on a Mac either. I'm strange that way.
May 14 18:18:50 <lcuk> Myrtti i never asked you to change
May 14 18:18:56 <lcuk> i asked whether maemo would run on it
May 14 18:19:09 <MohammadAG> that question was like "but does it run crysis?"
May 14 18:19:10 <hrw-uds> lcuk: why not?
May 14 18:19:10 * jeward has a triple boot Snow Leopard/Windows 7/ Ubuntu mac mini.
May 14 18:19:32 <hrw-uds> lcuk: as long as you will have opengl/es drivers good enough fro clutter...
May 14 18:19:56 <lcuk> indeed - perhaps meego would be a better base to try
May 14 18:21:30 <Myrtti> you're asking a person who until recently didn't know the difference between atom and arm until it was explained to her in very, very gentle ways, would maemo run on nexus one. No, I have no idea.
May 14 18:22:21 <Myrtti> ich. horrible coffee
May 14 18:23:26 <chadi> did anyone manage to dual boot android without NTDroid?
May 14 18:23:29 <johnsq> Hi
May 14 18:23:53 * RST38h guesses Nexus will run something like Mer
May 14 18:24:14 <GAN900> Myrtti, theoretically yes.
May 14 18:24:24 <RST38h> The main question is, of course, why
May 14 18:24:55 <GAN900> Myrtti, why the 180?
May 14 18:25:37 <RST38h> Myrtti: working for google nowadays? =)
May 14 18:25:37 * Myrtti stares GAN900 with a blank look
May 14 18:25:43 <GAN900> Because Android sucks.
May 14 18:25:44 <Myrtti> oh, that 180
May 14 18:25:52 <GAN900> Myrtti, you hated it in SF. :P
May 14 18:26:09 <RST38h> Why does it suck? Felt ok.
May 14 18:26:20 <Myrtti> GAN900: applications, learning curve
May 14 18:26:25 <RST38h> But then, I do not think Symbian sucks either
May 14 18:26:41 <GAN900> I can't stand the hardware
May 14 18:26:47 <Myrtti> GAN900: also, I pimped it up with Gelaskins
May 14 18:26:52 <GAN900> I kept hitting home while typing.
May 14 18:27:31 <papo> hi
May 14 18:27:34 <papo> how can I make a screenshot?
May 14 18:28:00 <SpeedEvil> ctrl-shift-p IIRC
May 14 18:28:04 <Myrtti> sleep time logger, audibook player, google synchronization etc
May 14 18:28:08 <Myrtti> and the desktop dock is rad
May 14 18:30:52 <Myrtti> apart from the virtual keyboard, my experience with the nexus one was happier from the start that the time I've spent with a n900
May 14 18:33:15 <RST38h> GAN: Standard vanilla HTC hardware. Yes, it is nothing to ogle at
May 14 18:34:15 <Myrtti> I don't really care about the hardware - it's the apps that caught me. hm. apart from the fact that since I've always been partial to virtual keyboards, nexus one is nice.
May 14 18:34:42 <Myrtti> I can change from Scandinavian keyboard to swipe quick keyboard so easily ♥
May 14 18:35:05 <SpeedEvil> hmm
May 14 18:35:51 <arachnist> there's no good android phone with a good hardware keyboard
May 14 18:37:13 <Myrtti> s/android/mobile/
May 14 18:37:18 <Myrtti> there, fixed it for ya
May 14 18:37:54 <johnsq> arachnist: better without and use a bluetooth.
May 14 18:39:09 <Myrtti> I just hate all the hardware keyboards, being a touch typist I find them harder to learn than software keyboards
May 14 18:39:25 <jaska> cant stand virtual kbds
May 14 18:39:31 <Myrtti> give me a full Scandinavian keyboard, or give me death etc
May 14 18:39:40 <jaska> they also halve your effective display usually
May 14 18:40:10 <Myrtti> that's a learning issue. I've used vkb:s since 770 ;-)
May 14 18:40:14 <Myrtti> never had a problem :-P
May 14 18:40:32 <RST38h> death by full scandinavian keyboard
May 14 18:40:32 <jaska> i skipped 770 and 800 due to the lack of kbd
May 14 18:41:03 <frals> hmm
May 14 18:41:06 <Myrtti> heh, and I bought N800 last spring specifically because the lack of kdb
May 14 18:45:11 <ShadowJK> Myrtti, because N800 was cheaper than N810?
May 14 18:45:42 <RST38h> http://gizmodo.com/5539192/a-cellphone-exploded-in-my-face
May 14 18:46:22 <Myrtti> ShadowJK: because N800 didn't have hardware keyboard. I didn't even look at the prices of N810
May 14 18:47:29 <ShadowJK> you could get N810 for the better screen and not use hw kbd ;p
May 14 18:47:38 <ShadowJK> though dual sd slot on n800 is nice
May 14 18:50:21 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: Is he complaining because the battery got upset after he sliced it in half?
May 14 18:52:38 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: Guess so
May 14 18:53:35 <frals> GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
May 14 18:53:52 <frals> pyqt4 doesnt implement QtDBus >_<
May 14 18:54:00 <frals> ~curse
May 14 18:54:01 <infobot> methinks swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker
May 14 18:54:27 <alterego> So, I'm gonna work on a "Contact Manager" that does contact groups, per group and per contact ringtones and also the callbocker
May 14 18:55:19 <alterego> Well, the call blocker is done.
May 14 18:55:39 <alterego> So it's just integrating it with a group principal system and having ringtones.
May 14 18:58:00 <alterego> I'll use the pipe method someone suggested earlier, and if the device happens to be mounted via USB, then I'll just play some default t00n
May 14 18:59:40 <frals> great, neither pyside or pyqt actually ships qtdbus bindings :[
May 14 19:00:38 <alterego> frals: probably because of the dedicated python-dbus bindings?
May 14 19:01:19 <frals> well python got urllib and a bunch of other stuff for networking but qtnetwork is there :P
May 14 19:08:34 <kpoman> hi
May 14 19:09:46 <kpoman> do someone know how to port new libs to a n810 ?
May 14 19:10:18 <kpoman> I want to compile on a gentoo box, do I have to set vars etc... for autotools to know what i want ? do i need a chrooted environment or whatever ?
May 14 19:10:53 <alterego> gentoo is for people that can't get a girlfriend, use ubuntu and pick up chicks d00d
May 14 19:12:32 <kpoman> mouahahah
May 14 19:12:33 <kpoman> wtf
May 14 19:12:35 <kpoman> :D
May 14 19:12:40 <Lynoure> I can't get girlfriends, I have no idea how to approach other women...
May 14 19:12:51 <Lynoure> But still use Kubuntu.
May 14 19:12:53 <kpoman> I am married, I had to resign for a bit, but now :D
May 14 19:13:05 <kpoman> lol
May 14 19:14:12 <ZogG> <alterego> gentoo is for people that can't get a girlfriend, use ubuntu and pick up chicks d00d. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!&
May 14 19:14:16 <ZogG> &=?
May 14 19:14:56 <Stskeeps> i vote for pubcrawl instead of discussing distributions on a friday evening
May 14 19:15:12 <ZogG> i vote for boobs every friday
May 14 19:15:23 <ZogG> i go to work night shift now though =(
May 14 19:22:36 <MohammadAG> I wonder what would happen if i killed xorg
May 14 19:23:09 <papo> SpeedEvil: thank you, worked
May 14 19:23:09 <papo> cya
May 14 19:23:10 <Stskeeps> you'll go to prison and geeks will hate you
May 14 19:23:11 <Stskeeps> :P
May 14 19:23:50 <MohammadAG> *sobs*
May 14 19:25:17 <Myrtti> organic carrot farming
May 14 19:35:43 <tybollt> they do organic carrot farming in prison now?
May 14 19:42:35 <tybollt> hrr hrr
May 14 19:51:04 <florian> re
May 14 19:53:32 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0
May 14 19:54:35 <Myrtti> which reminds me
May 14 19:55:31 <Myrtti> since I've misplaced my N800, would someone care to check http://myrtti.fi and report what kind of a blogtheme they see on the site?
May 14 19:56:51 <opdf2> is sipsorcery down?
May 14 20:02:24 <LuciusMare> package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel)
May 14 20:02:50 <LuciusMare> you mean that there is a difference?
May 14 20:03:14 <yabba> is there in ash a command which you can use to remove specific lines from text file. example, if I want to remove all lines which begins with the word foobar?
May 14 20:06:20 <LuciusMare> Hm, the package seems to be packed for maemo 2, not for fremantle... *sigh*
May 14 20:06:37 <alterego> yabba: sed
May 14 20:07:05 <yabba> Ok, thanks
May 14 20:07:06 <ruskie> yabba, it's not ash... it's only a shell... but something like sed '/^foobar .*/d' file might work
May 14 20:11:56 <omar> Myrtti, looks artsy-fartsy (your theme)
May 14 20:12:10 <omar> if you catch my drift
May 14 20:15:42 <yabba> ok... "sed '/^foobar ./d' file" shows me edited version of file (whitout lines begining with foobar), but those not write it to the file... how I do that then :D
May 14 20:17:03 <alterego> pipe it to a new file
May 14 20:17:21 <MohammadAG> or use -i
May 14 20:18:30 <MohammadAG> read sed's manual, man sed
May 14 20:18:38 <MohammadAG> \o PhonicUK
May 14 20:18:42 <PhonicUK> alo :)
May 14 20:18:53 <yabba> Both works, thanks :)
May 14 20:18:55 <yabba> again :)
May 14 20:19:33 <PhonicUK> i just reinstalled Windows on my machine
May 14 20:19:34 <PhonicUK> fun fun
May 14 20:23:18 <MohammadAG> windows, meh
May 14 20:23:31 <PhonicUK> lol
May 14 20:23:48 <PhonicUK> I had accidentally installed a stripped down Win 7 install that i use for my Mini ITX machine
May 14 20:24:01 <PhonicUK> which was missing the parental controls stuff, and some games won't start without it :\
May 14 20:24:20 <MohammadAG> lol that's fail
May 14 20:24:37 <PhonicUK> I wanna play Avatar in 3D :)
May 14 20:24:39 <PhonicUK> this ought to be fun
May 14 20:24:50 <PhonicUK> 3D Vision FTW!
May 14 20:29:46 <kpoman> ( o) (o )
May 14 20:33:27 <yabba> btw, why I got this warning about bugtracker, even I have put this line in build file "p.xsbc_bugtracker="mailto:yabbapappa@gmail.com"" http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pykake/0.5.0-3/
May 14 20:37:28 <rcg1> yabba: are you using py2deb or pypackager?
May 14 20:37:39 <yabba> py2deb
May 14 20:41:49 <rcg1> if you check the control file .. you can find this in pykake-0.5.0/debian/control if you extract the generated tar.gz .. you can see that there is no entry starting with "XSBC-Bugtracker:"
May 14 20:43:06 <rcg1> could you post the complete buildfile to pastebin or something
May 14 20:43:46 <yabba> yes, I suppose
May 14 20:46:04 <yabba> http://pastebin.com/q4g78WGC
May 14 20:48:36 <MohammadAG> and the control file?
May 14 20:49:22 <MohammadAG> i think X crashed or something
May 14 20:49:24 <MohammadAG> rebooting
May 14 20:52:34 <MohammadAG> i hate embedded linux
May 14 20:52:47 <MohammadAG> I expected myself to be in a shell when I killed X
May 14 20:52:48 <yabba> http://pastebin.com/h1ZPgCzV
May 14 20:52:56 <MohammadAG> dsmetool rebooted the N900
May 14 20:53:00 <RST38h> ARMSDT C "compiler"...eeek
May 14 20:54:11 <MohammadAG> no bug tracker in the control file
May 14 20:54:26 <yabba> Aaah, could it be this? "1 march 2010 Py2deb is broken. It creates an incorrect bug tracker link for your package in extras.
May 14 20:54:27 <yabba> You can solve the bugtracker issue easily by editing /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2deb.py line 382 changing it from: bugtrackerstr = "XSBC-Bugtracker: %s" % ( self.xsbc_bugtracker ) into bugtrackerstr = self.xsbc_bugtracker "
May 14 20:54:28 <MohammadAG> I'd suggest asking Khertan when he comes online
May 14 20:54:43 <yabba> from wiki page...
May 14 20:54:50 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: there is no fbconsole in the default kernel
May 14 20:54:56 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: so you can't do anything
May 14 20:55:31 <MohammadAG> can it be enabled?
May 14 20:55:43 <rcg1> yabba: but this issue usually would have resulted in an entry like:
May 14 20:55:43 <rcg1> XSBC-Bugtracker: xsbc_bugtracker <your email>
May 14 20:56:14 <rcg1> what i am wondering is why you do not have any XSBC-Bugtracker: entry at all in your control file
May 14 20:56:41 <yabba> So there is something rotten in it then :/
May 14 20:56:44 <MohammadAG> cause py2deb didn't add it
May 14 20:56:51 <MohammadAG> yabba, add it manually
May 14 20:57:08 <MohammadAG> or switch to pypackager
May 14 20:57:09 <rcg1> MohammadAG: yeah but why? ;)
May 14 20:57:13 <yabba> yep, that was next
May 14 20:57:23 <MohammadAG> ~seen Khertan_home
May 14 20:57:27 <infobot> khertan_home <~Khertan@AAmiens-155-1-32-189.w92-142.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4h 59m 57s ago, saying: 'or see you later :)'.
May 14 20:57:41 <MohammadAG> ask him when he returns :)
May 14 20:57:59 <rcg1> ;)
May 14 20:58:54 <rcg1> MohammadAG: btw, while you are here, are you experienced with autobuilder issues?
May 14 20:59:10 <MohammadAG> depends on what you mean by issues :)
May 14 20:59:25 <rcg1> i know X-Fade is the one to ask but apparently he is quite busy these days
May 14 20:59:35 <MohammadAG> weekend just started
May 14 21:00:28 <rcg1> i had some wrong entries in my control files, and corrected these but for some reasons maemo.org/packages is not picking up the corrected values
May 14 21:00:49 <rcg1> it keeps displaying the some incorrect values from older releases
May 14 21:01:16 <MohammadAG> hmm, when I change entries they get auto updated
May 14 21:01:22 <rcg1> *-some
May 14 21:01:23 <MohammadAG> did you check after a day or so?
May 14 21:01:28 <rcg1> yep
May 14 21:01:43 <MohammadAG> the importer runs on xx:05 and xx:35 each hour
May 14 21:02:03 <MohammadAG> smoku had that problem with UAE4ALL
May 14 21:02:21 <rcg1> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ant/1.8.1-2/
May 14 21:02:25 <rcg1> aye ic
May 14 21:03:30 <rcg1> its just from time to time i start again to fiddle about that problem but can't seem to find a solution
May 14 21:04:40 <MohammadAG> rcg1, what did you change?
May 14 21:04:54 <rcg1> bugtracker link and description
May 14 21:06:06 <rcg1> http://pastebin.com/K8egn6eJ
May 14 21:06:16 <rcg1> thats what the extracted control file looks like
May 14 21:07:16 <rcg1> i have the suspicion that it is stumbling over some buggy control file from an older version
May 14 21:08:00 <rcg1> the control file looks ok to me
May 14 21:09:30 <MohammadAG> rcg1, sometimes the importer f's up, I'd suggest leaving X-Fade a PM and he'll prolly have a look @ it
May 14 21:10:01 <frals> are you bumping version number for each version you upload as well?
May 14 21:10:21 <rcg1> alright .. then i'll have to bother him again .. thanks for your help!
May 14 21:10:31 <rcg1> frals: yes
May 14 21:10:52 <rcg1> well i.e. the build number
May 14 21:11:21 <MohammadAG> frals, wouldn't it get rejected if he doesn't?
May 14 21:11:31 <frals> no idea, just throwing it out there ;P
May 14 21:11:34 <MohammadAG> Damn ZAGG keep spamming my inbox with iStuff
May 14 21:11:37 <rcg1> exactly .. just typing to slow ;)
May 14 21:11:52 * MohammadAG slaps frals around with a large trout
May 14 21:14:51 <rcg1> i don't know if it is important ... i am also missing the "Old version cleaned by repository management" messages for the offending package
May 14 21:15:28 <rcg1> http://maemo.org/packages/view/clojure/ <-- this package has nearly the same history as the offending ant package but behaves very well so far
May 14 21:15:55 <frals> impressive how you managed to get different version in armel/i386 of ant :)
May 14 21:17:19 <creatix> mass chat test, can u please join:
May 14 21:17:20 <creatix> http://tinychat.com/pugquit
May 14 21:17:46 <rcg1> frals: yeah .. blame me there for having no clue ;)
May 14 21:18:56 <rcg1> also thought it might be because of these different versions etc. but as you see the clojure package looks the same and is not problematic
May 14 21:19:26 <yabba> can't add that bugtracker manually, it will broke MD5
May 14 21:23:13 <Jaffa> X-Fade: urgent ping
May 14 21:23:53 <rcg1> yabba: you could manually update md5sums and filesizes in the *changes and *dsc files but this wouldnt be very pragmatic imho
May 14 21:24:06 <rcg1> yabba: might go with pypackager directly?
May 14 21:24:10 <Jaffa> bergie: alternative ping
May 14 21:25:05 <rcg1> yabba: http://gitorious.org/pypackager/pypackager/blobs/master/pypackager.py <-- see the bottom of the file
May 14 21:25:11 <bergie> Jaffa: pong
May 14 21:25:49 <Jaffa> bergie: Trying to save a new article under maemo.org/community/council/ and was getting "the given internal name was not 'clean', try ..." - but I don't have an internal name field, it's auto-derived it from my first title.
May 14 21:26:11 <bergie> Jaffa: what was your title?
May 14 21:26:48 <rcg1> yabba: or see http://gitorious.org/pygtkeditor/pygtkeditor/blobs/master/make.py for a more sophisticated example
May 14 21:27:06 <Jaffa> bergie: just tried creating a new article with the title: "maemo.org: this sprint and beyond meeting - Monday 17th May 13:00 UTC"
May 14 21:27:17 <Jaffa> bergie: And I get: "Given name is not "clean", try 'maemo-org-this_sprint_and_beyond_meeting-monday_17th_may_13-00_utc'"
May 14 21:27:29 <Jaffa> bergie: Any hint as to which character to avoid?
May 14 21:28:10 <yabba> rcg1, so I start to learn use pypackager then :/
May 14 21:28:32 <bergie> Jaffa: let me check what the config on "clean URL names" says there
May 14 21:28:40 <Jaffa> bergie: Limited myself to alphanumerics, space and ':'. Got the damend thing up
May 14 21:29:00 <Jaffa> bergie: If I can't edit the URL/internal name, I really don't give a damn how it auto-cleans it ;-)
May 14 21:29:37 <rcg1> yabba: .. the only thing which looked in your py2deb script a little bit differently as compared to mine is that you have only a single line description in " while i have multiline descriptions in """
May 14 21:29:38 <bergie> Jaffa: ok, can you file me a bug to check the config there?
May 14 21:31:09 <rcg1> yabba: you could also give that a try first but i don't know if thats the issue
May 14 21:33:51 <Dima202> hm
May 14 21:36:07 <crashanddie> lmao, Shapeshifter is such a plonker
May 14 21:36:42 <yabba> rcg1, there is 2 things to try (before I try pyPackager), I changed that description to multiline and update the py2deb (I find out that there were newer version in -devel).
May 14 21:36:52 <yabba> damn, moskitos!
May 14 21:37:33 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: heh
May 14 21:37:49 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: proud of it
May 14 21:37:51 <crashanddie> Jaffa: it's the :, methinks
May 14 21:38:11 <crashanddie> Jaffa: or -
May 14 21:38:32 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: please don't post utter crap about IDEs like you did on TMO
May 14 21:38:42 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: some people might actually read you and think you're insightful
May 14 21:39:31 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: I usually don't comment on stuff on tmo, but after having to work with eclipse for two months I couldn't miss the chance to rant.
May 14 21:39:44 <crashanddie> oh wow, a whole 2 months eh?
May 14 21:39:59 <crashanddie> I've been using it for the past 3 bloody years, and couldn't commend it enough
May 14 21:40:00 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: half of the time it's useful and assistive, the other half of the time it comes in your way being annoying.
May 14 21:40:07 <rcg1> yabba: let me know how it goes ;)
May 14 21:40:13 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: different tastes I guess.
May 14 21:40:28 <yabba> rcg1, yep
May 14 21:40:30 <Shapeshifter> if you swear on it, go on
May 14 21:40:31 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: indeed, taste, no need to crap on it because it doesn't match your tastes
May 14 21:40:41 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: is it slow?
May 14 21:40:49 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: there's a difference between saying "This doesn't taste very nice", and "This is horseshit"
May 14 21:41:09 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: well some people like horseshit I guess.
May 14 21:41:21 <hawai`i> lmfao
May 14 21:41:45 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: no, it isn't slow, get a decent computer ffs
May 14 21:42:23 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: say what you think all you want, just don't insult good developers because they use a tool
May 14 21:42:47 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: look. Eclipse - imo - is a total mess. It's slow, it's buggy and it offends all basic principles of cleanness. It ships with its own stupid package manager, it comes in your way constantly and if you're caught in the illusion of it being helpful, you might wanna go without it for a couple of months and you'll see that you never really needed it.
May 14 21:42:56 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: it isn't slow? oh come on...
May 14 21:43:05 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: claiming eclipse is a tool that "helps mediocre programmers not get lost in a medium sized business application"
May 14 21:43:11 <Shapeshifter> takes like half a minute to load on a decent machine
May 14 21:43:12 <crashanddie> is just insulting a whole load of people
May 14 21:43:24 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: I admit it is
May 14 21:43:26 <Shapeshifter> sorry about that
May 14 21:43:31 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: unlike what, vc++? Takes exactly the same amount of time
May 14 21:43:37 <Shapeshifter> couldn't help it. but don't go around saying it isn't slow.
May 14 21:43:39 * Arkenoi uses vi. 
May 14 21:43:50 * Shapeshifter uses vi or geany
May 14 21:44:16 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: any program with such a codebase is going to be slow. Isn't that like saying a tank is useless because it isn't as fast as a racecar?
May 14 21:44:42 <yabba> rcg1, lol'd I think it was that description...
May 14 21:44:43 <Shapeshifter> interesting analogy. oh, but tanks only destroy things, so I guess I'll have to ignore that.
May 14 21:45:29 <SpeedEvil> Tanks can also build bridges.
May 14 21:45:45 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: that tank is insane, btw
May 14 21:45:54 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: the one from the british engineers?
May 14 21:46:01 <crashanddie> whatever the division is called
May 14 21:46:28 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: There has been a long-history of engineering tanks. Back to their invention
May 14 21:46:32 <rcg1> yabba: lol, ok .. well good if it works now :)
May 14 21:46:53 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: btw, there's some thing I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong or didn't notice anything, but it seems like there's almost no good piece of software written in java. if you leave out eclipse and netbeans which are both debatable, there's not much left.
May 14 21:47:00 <Shapeshifter> I think there's a streaming server that sounded reasonable
May 14 21:47:21 <Shapeshifter> but it seemed to me like software written in java tends to be rather bad.
May 14 21:47:43 <Shapeshifter> Any clues for other good software written in java?
May 14 21:47:54 <Shapeshifter> (because honestly I just don't know much)
May 14 21:48:01 * SpeedEvil uses JOSM a fair bit.
May 14 21:48:11 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: altitude, we feel fine
May 14 21:48:23 <SpeedEvil> http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ - java openstreetmap editor
May 14 21:48:39 <budfive> SpeedEvil: I feel that's despite its JAVA-ness, not because of it
May 14 21:49:00 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: also, a lot of enterprise software is written in Java, not that I expect you to understand that anything beyond what you see could be good
May 14 21:50:09 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: I admit I haven't had *much* contact with enterprise software (except of a few months using some customer database software, not developing it) but my impressions are that business software is usually writte without much care for "goodness" but rather "get it done"
May 14 21:50:34 <Shapeshifter> which is kinda understandable because much of it is a bit boring.
May 14 21:52:34 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: websphere is an amazing piece of code, as is Jboss, let's not even mention xerces or intellij, azureus, jedit, go grinder, squirrel, sweet home 3d, runescape, aerith, genj, visual vm, jalbum :)
May 14 21:53:11 <rcg1> Shapeshifter: do you consider only end user software?
May 14 21:53:14 <crashanddie> to be honest, I wouldn't even think of writing anything in Java unless it'll use Jboss or webspher
May 14 21:53:15 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: I see you have a lot more experience than I do
May 14 21:53:26 <Shapeshifter> rcg1: I consider only what I know ;)
May 14 21:53:42 <rcg1> Shapeshifter: hehe ic
May 14 21:54:14 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: check out www.wefeelfine.org it's a bit CPU intensive, but definitely worth a look (and sadly, the flash implementation is even worse)
May 14 21:54:18 <rcg1> Shapeshifter: personally i like ant, junit, swt, swtbot quite well
May 14 21:54:27 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: also, have a look at processing.org very nice project, very nice ideas
May 14 21:54:53 <rcg1> and clojure looks also interesting
May 14 21:55:22 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: that "we feel fine" is incredibly slow.
May 14 21:55:38 <crashanddie> also heaps of information going around :)
May 14 21:55:44 <crashanddie> runs fine on my computer though
May 14 21:56:29 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: also: http://thewhalehunt.org/
May 14 21:56:42 <crashanddie> ah crap, it's flash
May 14 21:56:43 <Shapeshifter> maybe it's because I have openjdk on this box.
May 14 21:56:56 <Shapeshifter> but it's a c2d 6850. kinda doubt it's much slower than yours.
May 14 21:57:27 <crashanddie> ah yes, I run sun jre
May 14 21:57:36 <crashanddie> and only have a 2.6ghz c2d
May 14 21:57:58 <crashanddie> but if you check the whale hunt, you'll notice it's dog slow as well, just because of the massive amount of information being displayed
May 14 21:58:16 <crashanddie> timeline is the way to display it, btw
May 14 21:58:21 <crashanddie> (bottom right corner)
May 14 21:59:22 <Shapeshifter> I don't really get it. it's like a slide show
May 14 22:00:01 <Shapeshifter> with tags
May 14 22:00:30 <crashanddie> yeah, he had a camera attached to his torso, and it would take more pictures based on his heartrate
May 14 22:00:53 <crashanddie> so the more excited he got, the more often it would take pictures
May 14 22:01:15 <crashanddie> in timeline you can actually see, in a kind of pulse wave format where the actual whale killing went on
May 14 22:01:28 <crashanddie> another project of Jon is this: http://universe.daylife.com/
May 14 22:01:42 <crashanddie> but if wff.o was slow for you, don't even bother opening this one
May 14 22:01:53 <crashanddie> there's so many people contributing to it, I can't even run it decently
May 14 22:02:01 <SpeedEvil> budfive: Well - the other editor is flash.
May 14 22:02:19 <SpeedEvil> budfive: Which is actually quite OK. - it's written using an open-source toolchain
May 14 22:02:57 <Shapeshifter> so now we know that java is pretty slow?
May 14 22:03:07 <crashanddie> nha, it would be slow in any language, really
May 14 22:03:10 <crashanddie> unless maybe C
May 14 22:03:15 <Shapeshifter> well at least it's cross platform I guess....
May 14 22:03:18 <crashanddie> but any portable language would be slow
May 14 22:03:19 <budfive> SpeedEvil: I tried to love merkaartor, but it was way too bug-ridden
May 14 22:03:51 <budfive> SpeedEvil: Last time I looked at this (maybe 4 months ago) it did seem like josm was easily the best of the bunch
May 14 22:04:22 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: do you know a better java visual framework than swing?
May 14 22:04:24 <Shapeshifter> swing is awful.
May 14 22:04:32 <rcg1> Shapeshifter: swt
May 14 22:04:42 <rcg1> it provides native look and feel
May 14 22:04:56 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: I've never done much in terms of GUI with Java, unless I was drawing everything myself
May 14 22:05:04 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: and then again, I would just go through processing
May 14 22:05:08 <crashanddie> (processing.org)
May 14 22:05:11 <Shapeshifter> thanks
May 14 22:06:02 <rcg1> btw. the just in time compiler provides a decent speed up
May 14 22:08:15 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: here's another pretty fun project: demonstrates a java app that searches for tweets with specific sentences to show airflight: http://vimeo.com/4583713
May 14 22:08:17 <Arkenoi> is there a desktop software functionally similar to Mussorgsky?
May 14 22:08:22 <rcg1> crashanddie: ain't processing more for "graphical effects" .. thats what o saw from it so far
May 14 22:08:33 <rcg1> *i
May 14 22:08:43 <crashanddie> rcg1: look at video above, is done using processing
May 14 22:09:14 <crashanddie> rcg1: but yeah, the primary goal of processing is to allow developers to do "art" by typing code
May 14 22:09:29 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: well those are all nice ideas and concepts but I was more referring to applications you might use every day. those don't seem to be written in java very often (well except of business applications)
May 14 22:09:37 <rcg1> crashanddie: hehe yeah thats what i meant ;)
May 14 22:09:46 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: because they're not meant to?
May 14 22:10:07 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: I don't see java as a language that would suit most apps for desktop usage, and I don't think anyone who understands java does
May 14 22:10:20 <rcg1> crashanddie: i always become jealous because of these neat effects
May 14 22:10:44 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: it's like writing a torrent tracker in PHP. Sure, you can do it, but would you run it? Probably not
May 14 22:10:56 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: what is it good for then, where most other oo languages would be less suited?
May 14 22:11:05 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: Java, for me, allows for quick prototyping, and having fun whether I'm on my mac, my windows box, or my Linux VM
May 14 22:11:13 <Shapeshifter> okay.
May 14 22:11:14 <rcg1> Shapeshifter: if you look for a swing (or even awt) replacement you might take a look at SWT .. its imo a pretty neat solution
May 14 22:11:19 <Shapeshifter> so like python for me
May 14 22:11:26 <crashanddie> it allows me to send some source code through to a friend, knowing that he just needs to dump it in eclipse, and I know it'll run
May 14 22:11:55 <crashanddie> also, it allows my customers to run my code, because I know they all run websphere 6.x, so I know that I just need to zip up an EAR file, and they can deploy it
May 14 22:12:20 <crashanddie> these are people who run mainframes on triple or quadruple books (each book = roughly $100k)
May 14 22:12:37 <crashanddie> they don't care if java is 95 or 97% the speed of C
May 14 22:12:50 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: so would you want to run eclipse on your n900?
May 14 22:13:18 <crashanddie> because the amount of shit you get in with error handling in C, or the difficulty of matching up correct library versions on solaris, zlinux, and whatnot is just madness
May 14 22:13:28 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: definitely not
May 14 22:13:31 <Arkenoi> well, i ran eclipse on 500MHz PA-RISC
May 14 22:13:44 <Arkenoi> the speed was quite decent
May 14 22:13:53 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: well at least we can agree on that :>
May 14 22:13:59 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: for the same reason i wouldn't want outlook or thunderbird on my n900
May 14 22:14:07 <crashanddie> or openoffice, for that matter
May 14 22:14:39 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: java is about a whole lot more than speed
May 14 22:14:50 <crashanddie> it's a shame the speed junkies can't wrap their head around that
May 14 22:15:35 <crashanddie> </rant>
May 14 22:15:37 <crashanddie> did I earn a cookie?
May 14 22:15:44 <rcg1> lol
May 14 22:16:04 * MohammadAG gives crashanddie half a cookie
May 14 22:16:14 <crashanddie> thanks
May 14 22:16:19 <MohammadAG> now trademark it and start selling mobiles
May 14 22:16:21 * Shapeshifter hands crashanddie a shortbread
May 14 22:16:27 <MohammadAG> cPhone
May 14 22:16:28 <crashanddie> yipee
May 14 22:16:34 <crashanddie> cunt Phone?
May 14 22:16:56 <MohammadAG> well
May 14 22:17:07 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, cookie, cunt, whatever you want
May 14 22:17:28 <MohammadAG> the first 1 was a suggestion not a ping
May 14 22:18:53 <SpeedEvil> xrandr -o left
May 14 22:18:55 <SpeedEvil> oops
May 14 22:21:33 <DrWilken> Speed -> :D
May 14 23:02:38 * w00t_ sighs at (once again) managing to explode x
May 14 23:11:17 <heoa> anyone has full debian apt-get in n810L
May 14 23:11:19 <heoa> ?
May 14 23:14:24 <PhonicUK> hey all
May 14 23:14:53 <PhonicUK> anyone know a good theme? something blue...
May 14 23:15:10 <PhonicUK> maybe a blue version of the human theme
May 14 23:15:48 <SpeedEvil> avatar?
May 14 23:15:56 <SpeedEvil> smurf?
May 14 23:16:19 <PhonicUK> avatar is an awesome film
May 14 23:16:38 <PhonicUK> i cant wait to play the game in 3D
May 14 23:17:20 <PhonicUK> are those themes in the repos?
May 14 23:18:00 <heoa> anyone chrooted OpenBSD to N810?
May 14 23:18:54 <SpeedEvil> I was simply suggesting things along the blue human theme.
May 14 23:19:11 <PhonicUK> oh dear...
May 14 23:21:44 <PhonicUK> that was annoying
May 14 23:21:59 <PhonicUK> xchat decided to have a funny moment
May 14 23:32:09 <pigeon> where are all the user desktop configuration/desktop file stored?
May 14 23:45:31 <PhonicUK> pigeon, ~/.config ?
May 14 23:47:12 <SpeedEvil>  /home/user/.purple/
May 14 23:52:31 <hcm> SpeedEvil: that directory doesn't even exist for me…
May 14 23:52:42 <hcm> pigeon: are you looking for *.desktop files?
May 14 23:52:53 <hcm> try "find / -name
May 14 23:53:15 <hcm> sorry… find / -name "*.desktop" | less
May 14 23:54:55 <pigeon> hmm, like, i've added a url shortcut on the desktop, where is that information stored?
May 15 00:17:16 <lcukn900> damn windows xchat
May 15 00:53:24 <MohammadAG> Night #maemo
May 15 00:58:30 <Funnyface> I am not asking "how" just whether it is possible or not, I want to stream video live from my N900 camera, and let people watch the video live on a flash video player or anything similar. can qik do that, or does it only allow me to record a video clip, then upload it afterwards?
May 15 01:01:59 <Funnyface> nevermind, I figured it out :)
May 15 01:09:56 * DocScrutinizer HAZ MAKE COOKIE FOR CRASHANDDIE, BUT I HAZ EATED IT
May 15 01:38:06 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: ping
May 15 01:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen javispedro
May 15 01:38:54 <infobot> javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 6h 15m 4s ago, saying: 'rootfs'.
May 15 01:39:06 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 15 01:39:22 <njsf_> ~seen njsf
May 15 01:39:23 <infobot> njsf <~njsf@ool-182caa3e.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 2h 32m 52s ago, saying: 're'.
May 15 01:39:39 <njsf_> ~seen njsf_
May 15 01:39:40 <infobot> njsf_ is currently on #maemo (30m 51s) #meego (30m 51s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen njsf_'.
May 15 01:39:49 <njsf_> LOL
May 15 01:40:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~spank njsf_
May 15 01:40:15 * infobot bends njsf_ over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on njsf_'s pasty white buttocks.
May 15 01:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> now for the science part, here psychology, research about self-(un)consciousness
May 15 01:44:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen infobot
May 15 01:44:50 <infobot> infobot is currently on #utos (1d 21h 59m 33s) #asterisk-doc (1d 21h 59m 33s) ##t42 (1d 21h 59m 33s) #maemo (1d 21h 59m 33s) #fredlug (1d 21h 59m 33s) ##ols (1d 21h 59m 33s) #flyspray (1d 21h 59m 33s) #asterisk-dev (1d 21h 59m 33s) #webos-internals (1d 21h 59m 33s) #opensimpad.org (1d 21h 59m 33s) #asterisk (1d 21h 59m 33s) #byumug (1d 21h 59m 33s) ...
May 15 01:53:12 <njsf_> sorry just back from the tattoo removal service
May 15 01:53:43 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 15 02:14:53 <Arkenoi> media player alphabetic sort just SUCKS. the person who invented this "feature" must be fucking out of his mind.
May 15 02:18:59 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, pong?
May 15 02:19:19 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: you're 'council'?
May 15 02:19:33 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, why?
May 15 02:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue - request for benevolent support
May 15 02:20:48 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, yeah, Quim supposedly got devices for that
May 15 02:20:52 <GeneralAntilles> I never heard where they went, though.
May 15 02:21:28 <DocScrutinizer> I dunno if editing a wikipage is just enough
May 15 02:22:16 <DocScrutinizer> so I thought I ping a few of those to whom it may concern
May 15 02:23:52 <DocScrutinizer> My own device might see another outtime of 2 weeks next future (to repair a silly simple switch)
May 15 02:24:14 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, yeah, remind me to poke the list if I don't do it by Sunday.
May 15 02:24:23 <GeneralAntilles> I'll see if I can chase down the status.
May 15 02:24:32 <DocScrutinizer> k
May 15 02:24:36 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
May 15 02:27:05 <GAN900> Thanks for poking me.
May 15 02:27:23 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: media player sucks by virtually all aspects of UI design - and the tracker concept sucks the most
May 15 02:31:00 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: I *hate* it, when braindamaged mediaplayer/tracker-index ignores my carefully maintained directory tree to sort p0rn away from lolcatz, and the first 67 "photos" are the buttons of my IRreco remote GUI
May 15 02:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> that's so _incredibly_ idiotic, it doesn't even come by surprise when tracker also sucks a whole battery flat for doing this useless job - and developers didn't notice neither the inherent idiocy of the concept nor the broken implementation
May 15 02:34:44 <GAN900> lol
May 15 02:35:08 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, tracker may also wake up while you are scp'ing media files to the phone and slow everything down trying to index incomplete ones
May 15 02:35:29 <DocScrutinizer> sure, it's fubar by design
May 15 02:36:11 <Arkenoi> or it may just wake up for now reason while you are watching movie and cause jerky playback due to io bottleneck
May 15 02:36:12 <DocScrutinizer> like trying to fight headache by building pyramids
May 15 02:36:25 <Arkenoi> for no reason even
May 15 02:37:37 <GAN900> They should have an X18-M addon for the N900+1. :P
May 15 02:59:55 <Termana> hey hey
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