**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 15 02:59:57 2010 May 15 03:02:50 hey Termana you are chirpy this morning May 15 03:03:01 3 different signins on 3 different chans, impressive May 15 03:03:50 hey lcuk! 6 channels actually :P I have so many rooms I have to say hello in, I'm wondering weather I should even bother anymore :P May 15 03:03:51 sorry, 4 :p May 15 03:03:55 hello May 15 03:03:55 hey hey May 15 03:03:55 yello May 15 03:03:55 heidy ho May 15 03:04:08 Termana, i like your variety May 15 03:04:21 greeter bots would welcome such a selection May 15 03:04:25 lol May 15 03:04:27 lol :P May 15 03:04:36 lcuk: have you seen that new iron man movie? :) May 15 03:04:49 no, couldnt afford to go pictures May 15 03:04:50 * B-man|N900 just saw it May 15 03:05:10 ah :( May 15 03:05:13 cool May 15 03:06:33 * lcuk completely fails at sleeping May 15 03:08:30 lcuk: i'm assuming that it's 3:08pm there? May 15 03:08:37 *am May 15 03:08:40 +1hr May 15 03:08:54 jeez May 15 03:09:12 i was in bed for an hour or so May 15 03:11:17 i dont think i could handle only 1 hour of sleep - i would be crazy the next day lol May 15 03:11:31 lcuk, is this something you do often? May 15 03:11:35 i didnt sleep thats the point May 15 03:11:45 Termana, being awake @ silly oclock? May 15 03:11:56 lcuk, yes and not sleeping May 15 03:12:25 yeah tho 4am doesnt get seen by me often any more really May 15 03:12:51 I can help you with that sleeping problem if you like May 15 03:12:54 * Termana grabs the hammer May 15 03:13:05 heh its been a problem for 15 or so years ;) May 15 03:13:27 * lcuk has always a nightowl May 15 03:13:49 i just dont always type in here so late :p May 15 03:15:56 lcuk: i'm guessing this is when you get most of your code work done? :) May 15 03:18:09 B-man|N900, its when my mind starts building things, whether its code or sandcastles doesn't much matter. its when i organise the thoughts of the day May 15 03:19:36 ah ;) May 15 03:27:52 hmm, dawn. End of the nice quite dark period May 15 03:28:42 anyway sleep is overrated May 15 03:30:56 DocScrutinizer: only when you're single May 15 03:32:29 hmm, probably my english is too technical to get the ambiguity/pun May 15 03:35:09 whatever, I'm married with my gadgets, and they don't care about *my* timezone, and most of them don't have any preferences about when to 'sleep' if they do at all May 15 03:35:44 gah, next week is going to be crazy :( May 15 03:35:47 i have to do a GIS analysis project for the iceland volcano :P May 15 03:36:07 GIS? May 15 03:36:24 Geospatial Information Systems May 15 03:36:38 hehe May 15 03:36:59 it's a mouth full i know xD May 15 03:37:39 what program is used for rendering GIS Open Source or other? May 15 03:37:48 maybe you find the volcano does a very slow foxtrot May 15 03:37:55 Qgis perhaps? May 15 03:38:05 hehe May 15 03:38:15 * B-man|N900 uses ArcMap May 15 03:38:48 and STK8 (sattelite tool kit) May 15 03:38:56 *satellite May 15 03:39:10 gah - i need sleep :( May 15 03:40:24 DocScrutinizer: interesting thing that i saw was the ash cloud being sucked into a weather system xD May 15 03:42:45 are dimonds coming up yet? May 15 03:45:25 lol, no - but i thought i saw a little lava in the rim May 15 03:45:26 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if diamonds aren't supposed to burn when in red glowing 1000C hot lava May 15 03:49:41 but if the lava finds a way out through the side of the volcano . it can colapse and cause a inplosion. May 15 03:50:40 followed by another big-bang-theory May 15 04:49:35 hello May 15 04:49:43 i followed the wiki link May 15 04:49:55 and i need help with the n900 please May 15 04:51:48 hello? May 15 04:52:31 everyone died in apocalypse May 15 05:01:44 ^ May 15 05:06:06 alright people I'm in a pickle - its about time for a new smartphone (still on a g1) and I'd really like what I believe is going to be called an n920... whatever it is, the successor to the n900 May 15 05:06:18 question is when will such a phone be out May 15 05:06:42 projections are fine May 15 05:14:23 apparently you don't need a phone in near future? May 15 05:44:10 hmm, this might not the right place, but i just tried to register on maemo.org, got the e-mail, but when i tried to login to complete the registration, i got "Error: Could Not Get User". May 15 05:49:37 <`0660> phish3, i wouldn't expect the next model to be available before xmas May 15 05:49:51 <`0660> but that is just my guess May 15 05:54:22 <`0660> i think there were at least rumours if not pictures of n900 in May last year. It was announced around August, and my pre-order was delivered in January May 15 05:54:59 i don't get those '920' rumours May 15 05:55:15 there's a lot of misinformation out on shady blogs that has no merit whatsoever May 15 05:55:41 <`0660> so it can easily take about eight months from first pictures to deliveries May 15 05:56:22 <`0660> Stskeeps, rumours generate visitors :) May 15 06:47:10 i wonder if this app actually exists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcfG5uxSOw May 15 06:48:53 nice May 15 06:48:59 it probably does May 15 06:55:39 `0660: damn thats a while off May 15 06:56:03 Surfa: I have a g1 right now... I want a signifcantly better one tho May 15 06:56:07 <`0660> yeah May 15 06:56:42 haven't used an n900 myself but given its hw specs its going to have a haaaaard time competing in the recent android saturation with snapdragon May 15 06:57:25 I was thinking nokia might up the anty to be back on competing specs earlier but even in that sense I'm thinking it wouldn't until summer at the very least May 15 06:57:38 I could wait that long I think .... May 15 06:57:50 the hardware isn't great, but maemo is lovely and the hardware is by far "good enough", I think anything more powerful is just overkill May 15 06:58:25 see I'm wanting an almost tablet that can do normal video without any bullcrap and thats what omap4/next class of hardware solves May 15 06:58:29 * ShadowJK suspects the next device will at most be a omap3 @ 720MHz May 15 06:58:34 eek May 15 06:59:36 btw how's the pdf reader operate on the n900? May 15 07:00:34 my g1 is dirt slow for that but it seems more recent phones on android do well, but if the pdf reader didn't receve enough tlc it can be slow/buggy... May 15 07:00:35 it has loaded anything I've tried, and with the high resolution of the display it looks good May 15 07:01:13 cool I got burned on pdfs with the g1, took a while for them to come out with the app alone and it sucked for a long while May 15 07:01:41 know if its poppler based? May 15 07:02:17 I haven't tested it properly, so I don't know how it would handle a 200MB catalogue :P May 15 07:02:35 haha, yea I'm just hoping 10-40 mB docs work ok May 15 07:03:26 <`0660> phish3, i'm quite happy with the video on n900 already. it seemed to have no problems even with 720p video when i tested it May 15 07:03:48 720p h264? May 15 07:03:59 hows battery life when doing so? May 15 07:04:02 <`0660> i'm not sure about the codec May 15 07:04:12 <`0660> i only played it for a couple of minutes May 15 07:04:16 ah May 15 07:04:37 <`0660> i use television to watch my series :) May 15 07:04:44 yea again i know if you come at it from a well its a phone standpoint most of this is unneeded May 15 07:04:50 I'm coming at it from a tablet perspective May 15 07:05:08 <`0660> also haven't had any trouble with pdfs May 15 07:05:46 from a fully charged battery I can use the device on wifi for chatting and some web browsing for something like 4-5 hours May 15 07:06:20 not bad May 15 07:06:46 I'm used to about 2 hrs with heavy browsing on my g1 tops May 15 07:07:21 heavy web browsing or gps rather May 15 07:09:08 all said and done I'll probably crap out and get an evo or nexus given timing constraints... it'd be great if nokia pulled out before I move tho, I could wait a month or two I suppose... I'd really like to throw my money at them :D May 15 07:09:14 <3 qt May 15 07:09:29 is the g1 HTC? May 15 07:09:41 ya, bastardization name for htc dream May 15 07:10:13 I got about that same battery time with my 2 HTC devices too May 15 07:10:48 my friends got a nexus (htc also) and it performs and has much better battery life May 15 07:11:28 nokia always made power efficient phones.. they could sit on standby for over 2 weeks without running out of power :P May 15 07:11:36 I really hate the lack of storage on it though and even so java apps still have too many gc (pausing) and apps can be uncooperative in memory sharing May 15 07:11:48 * Stskeeps usually gets a whole day of n900 interaction before putting it on charger when i go to sleep May 15 07:12:31 I think thats standard behavior these days May 15 07:12:47 but good to know non the less May 15 07:13:58 btw how good is the mapping app? May 15 07:14:02 er maps app May 15 07:14:28 even the nexus one leaves me sometimes wanting the more traditional standlone gps devices May 15 07:14:30 on the N900 there is plenty of space May 15 07:15:03 there is an offline May 15 07:15:08 and with g1 pauses I've almost gotten in accidents a few times heh May 15 07:15:10 err.. misclick May 15 07:15:49 offline (maps loaded on to the memory card) turn by turn navigation program called sygic May 15 07:16:07 I can definitely appreciate an offline mode May 15 07:16:19 similar to tomtom on winmo May 15 07:16:27 far too many network related issues happen when searching on google maps app May 15 07:16:50 * microlith attempts to create a widget and gets stuck at the last step May 15 07:16:51 but it is not free, costs 39 euro I think May 15 07:17:03 hehe May 15 07:18:07 also, you have a nokia maps application which erm.. wants an internet connection, but also seems to work without one if you deny it a connection May 15 07:18:37 haha May 15 07:18:46 gotta wonder how that works May 15 07:19:05 caching I suppose for the most part... May 15 07:19:20 it probably has a cache of recently loaded bits or something May 15 07:19:41 maybe someone else can answer that May 15 07:20:44 anyway I am not really missing a single thing on my n900 May 15 07:21:34 btw audio player play ogg out of the box? May 15 07:22:03 just minor details like.. they could have given it some hardware buttons on the front panel for answering calls and such without sliding out the keyboard May 15 07:22:09 I absolutely despised palm for not allowing oggs to be played despite including the relevant libraries in the runtime May 15 07:22:13 but it obviously has touch screen buttons May 15 07:23:08 haven't tried ogg, but I've seen ogg listed in the reposies so chances are it won't May 15 07:23:23 should only take 30 secs to fix it though May 15 07:23:43 well apt-getting something (it uses apt right?) isn't a problem May 15 07:23:56 as long as it still works with the official media player May 15 07:24:27 I suppose with the more open environment there might be alternative media players but I'm not interested that much in configuring the phone May 15 07:24:55 it has its own application manager GUI, don't know what backend it uses :p May 15 07:25:17 ah May 15 07:27:52 what do you think of android then? May 15 07:28:18 I have only tried an unofficial semi working port on a winmo device :P May 15 07:28:47 well I have an outdated experience May 15 07:29:00 seems to be a bit more intended for being used as a "phone" OS than maemo May 15 07:29:03 due to limited romspace of the g1/dream I cannot load 2.0+ May 15 07:29:17 hmm May 15 07:29:19 I don't know about that May 15 07:29:37 I can see it being used on tablets (I've programmed a number of apps for it at an older job) May 15 07:29:41 can't you install it to the microsd partition or something? May 15 07:29:48 nope May 15 07:30:18 does anyone here know how upnp works? is there a package /script that lets me request a upnp port from a router via command line? May 15 07:30:34 anyway I currently use cynogenmod or some such and am on 1.6 with a few 2.1+ backports May 15 07:31:07 its pretty much not updatable anymore though since everybody has moved on to new and better phones and since you cant run the newer os you miss out on everything :x May 15 07:31:21 :( May 15 07:32:27 but even on 1.6 things worked pretty well May 15 07:32:46 but 192 mB of ram isn't enough, only something like 50 mB is available for apps to consume (total) May 15 07:32:58 dalvik/java combo sucked with gc May 15 07:33:15 they combated it in some places really awkwardly even for the programmer May 15 07:34:17 such as some functions take in a parameter which might be null but if isn't you can assume is something you returned earlier (widget wise) so you can try and reuse it May 15 07:35:27 combine java app tendancy for apps to consume memory even if they don't need it and a system which doesn't close apps unless it deems necessary and you end up with a pretty painful and frustrated experience May 15 07:36:04 and when they all share something as little as 50mB... well, like I said the maps app almost got me in accidents more than a few times lol May 15 07:37:31 doesn't it swap ram? May 15 07:37:36 oddly enough though a good deal of the time things work fine though, its a really odd relationship May 15 07:37:43 not by default May 15 07:38:13 you should enable that then, should eliminate lots of your frustration :P May 15 07:38:17 you can partiition up your valuable minihdsc card but I haven't seen it solve things May 15 07:38:25 vm layer hides it from java May 15 07:38:37 java apps go oh more memory to consume (not knowing its slower) May 15 07:39:14 :P May 15 07:39:23 btw I'm a java programmer and like it in various places but the way its set up in android or at least crapper android devices I'm not a fan of lol May 15 07:40:11 well I am just an "average user" :P May 15 07:42:01 anyway at the moment I only have 10MB RAM free here May 15 07:42:15 and it's using 160MB swap May 15 07:42:36 got a bunch of stuff running May 15 07:42:41 well its linux so it might be doing more caching to use up the ram May 15 07:42:55 don't really notice any major impact on the performance May 15 07:43:12 but so is android May 15 07:43:22 yea but android the problem is in java May 15 07:43:40 if you go to the linux layer at least normally the kernel caches everything to use the ram up May 15 07:44:01 but purges cache way better than java apps (who don't really cooperate with eachother) May 15 07:44:32 ah free -m should give you a good idea I think May 15 07:44:53 it'll sub off the buffering/cache if the setup on the n900 does it May 15 07:46:00 it doesn't accept any parameters May 15 07:46:09 its probably busybox then May 15 07:46:23 just use it without the -m May 15 07:46:44 yep :> May 15 07:48:44 anyway it doesn't display any info about caching :p May 15 07:49:08 you could always cat /proc/meminfo May 15 07:49:24 ah here i was looking at /proc/vmstat May 15 07:49:26 phish3, you do know 2.1 is available for the G1 with OpenEclair (full eclair) and Cyanogen 5.0.7 (cyanogen's full eclair rather than donut with backports) May 15 07:50:10 Termana: I haven't looked in a few months much but 5.0.7 cyanogen is for nexus and openeclair is missing various things I thought May 15 07:50:42 least it seemed that way before... May 15 07:50:44 Cached: 77272 kB May 15 07:50:55 phish3, 5.0.7 is for G1 - you've missed the fact the he recently decided to do Eclair for G1 because he was able to fix things that were broken with OpenEclair May 15 07:50:57 77 megs then May 15 07:51:23 Termana: ah I don't even see 5.0.7 on his site May 15 07:51:42 phish3, right, its still in testing (-test3 the last I looked) May 15 07:51:57 mmm.... I don't know if I'm interested in testing branches May 15 07:52:03 sorry, its actually -test5 May 15 07:52:48 Funnyfacemob: that means ur phone has 77 megs it can just dispose of at any time free... anything linux given sufficient usage should have 100% ram usage May 15 07:53:56 phish3, Link for your viewing pleasure if you wish to try (or just read) - http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?/topic/2688-cyanogenmod-5-for-dreammagic-would-you-like-a-pony-v507-test5-05132010/ May 15 07:54:00 hmm May 15 07:54:02 in android it seems more like the apps want to hog on to the memory individually so they don't do gc often, but like i said I find it detrimental, at least on the g1 May 15 07:54:10 Termana: thanks May 15 07:54:40 Termana: his updator made my lazy, I used to go check xda forums daily May 15 07:54:53 er weekly May 15 07:54:58 I'm not that much a nerd May 15 07:55:11 i never seen more than 3GB of ram in use on my desktop May 15 07:55:26 (unless i was running some VMs) May 15 07:55:29 excuse the multple lines May 15 07:55:33 ason@archer:~> free -m May 15 07:55:34 total used free shared buffers cached May 15 07:55:36 Mem: 12038 11962 75 0 170 2932 May 15 07:55:37 -/+ buffers/cache: 8859 3179 May 15 07:55:39 Swap: 0 0 0 May 15 07:55:58 if you buy it, linux will consume lol May 15 07:56:17 no vms May 15 07:56:31 so what you're running there? May 15 07:56:40 or is it not a desktop, but a server? May 15 07:57:00 chrome is probably being a bastard and taking up 3 gigs... sometimes it doesn't like reclaiming memory May 15 07:57:05 at work we have servers with over 64GB of ram used May 15 07:57:16 its just a desktop (i7 I bought last year) May 15 07:57:21 is it just me or does it say 12MB total RAM? May 15 07:57:25 yes May 15 07:57:33 Funnyfacemob: s/MB/GB/ May 15 07:57:41 I went out of my way cause when dealing with matlab tomfoolery 4 gigs didn't cut it May 15 07:58:13 no upgrade path in my older comp so I just spent the extra 2hundred upfront this time May 15 07:58:38 8GB of ram here in desktop, 6GB in NAS (it's zfs based, so most of it is in use), 4GB of ram in my laptop May 15 07:59:08 I am still holding on to 32bit windows :p May 15 07:59:35 so limited to ~3.3GB May 15 07:59:41 yea i've only got this workstation and my laptop (4g there as well) May 15 07:59:47 i have no machine where running 32bit windows would be possible/reasonable May 15 07:59:49 I beat all of you May 15 07:59:57 16? May 15 08:00:07 or something beyond normal...? May 15 08:00:26 I'm running on 900mhz Celeron and 512mb. Main computer, use it for everything - from web browsing to kernel compiles. May 15 08:00:33 ahaha May 15 08:00:34 either it wouldn't run at all (arm/mips/sparc) or it would be a waste of resources (>=4GB of ram available) May 15 08:00:55 Termana: I had actual deadlines to meet a few times and my older comp couldn't cut it May 15 08:01:43 I'll admit it clogs along occasionally - but in general its fine doing everything. Obviously its not playing Crysis or some such (plus I use Linux anyway), but it does everything for me May 15 08:02:12 perfectly fine for everything except gaming May 15 08:02:30 except gaming and flash-ridden websites May 15 08:02:34 so if you're not into that, it'll last for many years :P May 15 08:02:38 inn I don't know my browsing habbits include a million tabs these days May 15 08:02:48 i can't go backwards :| May 15 08:03:00 720p videos might also lag on a 900MHz celery May 15 08:03:01 I do still hold a hate for flash ridden sites May 15 08:03:15 they find a way to lag on my core2 laptop May 15 08:03:29 *duo if that meant it was multicore... May 15 08:03:30 I can have heaps of tabs up (I don't use Firefox - memory hog - I use Chrome) May 15 08:03:37 But as everyone is saying May 15 08:03:43 Flash... jesus christ. May 15 08:03:51 well at least you can transcode it into something else first, then watch it afterwards May 15 08:04:00 I'm too lazy for that May 15 08:04:09 You can actually see the poor machine stabbing itself whenever I have to use flash May 15 08:04:18 haha May 15 08:04:45 lowering the flash quality helps a bit May 15 08:04:54 hmm May 15 08:04:54 if you haven't done it May 15 08:04:58 not fullscreeing also helps May 15 08:05:23 900mhz? May 15 08:05:26 but why May 15 08:05:30 i wonder how badly would flash run on my router (1.2GHz arm + 512MB of ram) May 15 08:05:32 I run a 2560x1600 display, my older athlon x2 3200 couldn't keep up with flash on fullscreen May 15 08:05:43 if there was a flash for arm publicly available May 15 08:05:47 my laptop also chokes a bit, I use compositing zoom to help with that May 15 08:05:59 I remember my old single core, I used to visit some website with flash ads while playing a game May 15 08:06:29 phish3, I output to a 1280 x 1024 screen - fullscreen flash videos are fine. As long as I don't wiggle my mouse :P May 15 08:06:32 I had to block those silly ads because they would use more cpu than my game May 15 08:06:50 made it stutter horribly.. May 15 08:07:24 my laptop cant seem to keep 2 flash things opened at the same time May 15 08:07:41 but this time I went for a quad core so inefficient flash crap doesn't scare me anymore May 15 08:07:48 I therorize intel has a time dependant performance chip or something in it that makes it perform more like crap as time goes by May 15 08:07:53 genewitch, Its too complicated to explain why I'm using it as my main computer :P But I know it sounds like a crazy thing to do May 15 08:07:56 at least not until 4 of them are running at the same time May 15 08:08:10 or maybe those times which it failed to suspend and ended up in my backpack took their toll May 15 08:08:45 phish3: I absolutely hate that. May 15 08:08:59 I find it sad actually - some phones even have the same amount of RAM that I do :P May 15 08:09:03 i wonder if/when will amd release 3.4GHz 6-core chip May 15 08:09:23 isn't that out already? May 15 08:09:25 Termana: snapdragon pretty much beats my first comp May 15 08:09:28 or is it not 3.4ghz May 15 08:09:31 genewitch: theree are 3.2 May 15 08:09:46 arachnist: yeah but you can overclock the 2.5ish ones to 3.4+ anyhow May 15 08:09:53 hm May 15 08:10:04 eck I remember when i first picked up eclipse and doing c++ May 15 08:10:24 I had 256 megs of ram and had to choose which was more important at any given moment, the browser or the ide May 15 08:10:26 I'll wait till the price on one of those drops to under $100 May 15 08:10:37 which eventually led me to vim... May 15 08:11:52 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8435 May 15 08:11:54 Bug 8435: Strange readings from pressure sensitive applications using gtk.gdk.AXIS_PRESSURE May 15 08:12:20 please vote to ge resolved May 15 08:12:38 oh well going to get some sleep I think.. laters May 15 08:13:31 cya Funnyfacemob May 15 08:13:51 Morning, all May 15 08:14:21 morn jaffa May 15 08:16:35 how to vote for a bug all 20 allowed times? May 15 08:20:12 good morning Jaffa May 15 08:36:16 hey, I don't use yet Maemo, and wanted to know first if there's any calendar app for it? May 15 08:37:45 yes, it comes with a calendar app (maemo 5) but it isn't the best of the bunch May 15 08:38:10 Stskeeps: erm. what's wrong with it for now? May 15 08:38:25 go look at brainstorms and bugs i guess May 15 08:38:47 Stskeeps: yea, good idea, that's exactly what Ill do. thanks :) May 15 08:47:48 moo May 15 08:48:00 moo May 15 08:48:16 woof May 15 08:48:30 meeeow May 15 08:48:36 err May 15 08:48:38 * desu pet-pets the kitty May 15 08:48:39 meeeego May 15 08:48:46 lol May 15 08:56:30 is there a pc connectivity software for linux with fremantle? May 15 08:59:03 hmm... May 15 08:59:16 that's a funny question May 15 08:59:59 olease define 'connectivity' May 15 09:00:21 I know there's one for diablo but not for fremantle.. currently transferring files between a linux computer and the maemo is via ssh over network May 15 09:00:47 I meant PC Suite mode May 15 09:01:19 err May 15 09:01:36 * DocScrutinizer51 points to mass storage mode' May 15 09:02:08 yup doesn't work with arch :/ fdisk doesn't list any partitions May 15 09:03:39 also network comprises usb network. And there's sfdisk on N900 May 15 09:03:52 psycho_oreos: ssh, rsync, scp, sftp, ... May 15 09:04:18 You can even point many file managers at the device over ssh May 15 09:04:22 esp sftp May 15 09:04:43 SpeedEvil, I'm doing that right now but the speeds are appauling to say the least :) May 15 09:04:45 works great with most filemanagers May 15 09:05:13 DocScrutinizer, well I personally would prefer if I can transfer data to and from via USB rather than going over wireless which is what I'm doing right now May 15 09:05:35 [2010-05-15 11:03:39] also network comprises usb network. And there's sfdisk on N900 May 15 09:06:23 yeah usb network I was looking at that, so that would work if I have the device plugged into the computer and setup udev rules to handle usb networking? May 15 09:06:36 supposed to work with N900/fremantle as well May 15 09:06:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking May 15 09:07:59 * DocScrutinizer sips on his latte macchiato and wonders idly whether to check what that wikipage is telling May 15 09:08:13 SpeedEvil: o/ May 15 09:08:20 hi May 15 09:08:39 I've stumbled across that page before, I guess that should work in theory with fremantle :) I'll give it a shot, ta May 15 09:10:44 though usb networking would still be pushing speeds lower than say from pc to maemo May 15 09:11:12 but I'll have a look at sfdisk as DocScrutinizer mentioned as well May 15 09:11:46 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "PC connectivity manager" May 15 09:12:28 I was assuming that normally if under say disk mode, it would display device (as it did) and the partitions? May 15 09:13:04 it only exports the VFAT on eMMC, and any VFAT on uSD May 15 09:13:47 where $VFAT_on_eMMC=~user/MyDocs May 15 09:14:48 it didn't in my case.. provided that I didn't insert a SD card into maemo May 15 09:15:01 and you're out of luck afaik when your uSD has more than one partition you want access, or a non VFAT type fs May 15 09:16:12 which is a little ironic when maemo can support a few filesystems.. at least on the fremantle.. I've seen there's ext3 support in the very least May 15 09:19:30 //etc/event.d/bme --> DISC='/dev/mmcblk0p1' CARD='/dev/mmcblk1' LUN0='/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun0/file' LUN1='/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun1/file' echo $DISC > $LUN0 || true echo $CARD > $LUN1 || true May 15 09:21:02 psycho_oreos: edit to your needs May 15 09:21:10 psycho_oreos: It's basically designed with only one aim. To hve maxcimal compatibility with windows. May 15 09:21:26 psycho_oreos: take care you'll bootloop if any typos/bugs in that file May 15 09:22:02 DocScrutinizer, ta, I'll have a look at that soon May 15 09:22:26 SpeedEvil, invariably name of nokia :) lets all support windows and windows only ;) May 15 09:22:32 s/name/lame/g May 15 09:22:33 psycho_oreos meant: SpeedEvil, invariably lame of nokia :) lets all support windows and windows only ;) May 15 09:31:24 ehlo raster May 15 09:31:35 RST38h: hoi hoi May 15 09:31:37 just a sec May 15 09:31:38 brb May 15 09:35:52 booya May 15 09:39:09 waZZZd May 15 09:39:48 burrrp May 15 09:56:18 * DocScrutinizer burrps back at raster May 15 10:08:04 hello maemo :) May 15 10:41:56 testing repo not refreshing May 15 10:43:56 gpsd/gpsfake running on host, how could I get scratchbox to use that as gps data? May 15 10:44:32 t.m.o says that it should work, but doesn't say how. At least the env doesn't pick it up by default May 15 10:47:05 ~seen javispedro May 15 10:47:06 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 15h 23m 17s ago, saying: 'rootfs'. May 15 11:09:51 Subtites don't work on my mediaplayer. Movie finename is the same as subtitle filename with the expection of the filename extension. Both are in same directory. Any help? May 15 11:11:37 I'm unsure the media player supports it May 15 11:12:03 Search for bugs on this - and add one - or a brainstorm May 15 11:20:40 mediaplayer has no support for subtitles afaik May 15 11:20:58 mplayer should May 15 11:21:24 ditch mediaplayer May 15 11:24:56 http://retroremakes.com quite a few candidates for ports there May 15 11:25:18 DocScrutinizer: I'm already installing Kmplayer and mplayer. :) May 15 11:27:23 It if possible to set mplayer as mediaplyer backend? May 15 11:27:37 <_llll_> what does that even mean? May 15 11:28:08 _llll_: So that mediaplyer would play videos using mplayer. May 15 11:28:52 Because mplayer handles subtitles, I'd like to use it. May 15 11:30:06 I've been using mplayer for ages on my PC. :) May 15 11:36:28 Well. Kmplayer+mplayer works just fine. Even with TV-out using 4:3 TV. Perfect thing. May 15 11:53:32 Zucca: theres subtitles support for the default media player, probably extras-devel May 15 11:56:58 damn i love my n900 May 15 11:57:00 heh May 15 11:58:14 remember toshiba librettos? :) May 15 12:01:06 valdyn: I'll wait until it's in extras. :) Although I'm used to use mplayer as I have used it as my only movie player for ages. :) May 15 12:02:59 Zucca: probagly to slow May 15 12:03:24 Zucca: at least for h.264 at max resolution it should be defenitely to slow May 15 12:05:37 hey guys, I did drop my n900 (from around 110cm height) when it was turned off, and now when I turn it on I got no contacts, sms, files, ... opt isn't there, I have no swap and so on May 15 12:05:49 any ideas what I could try before sending it in for repair? May 15 12:06:20 reflash? May 15 12:06:31 any estimates on how much bandwidth is needed / minute talking using skype? May 15 12:06:58 how is reflashing goign to help when there were no changes software related? :D May 15 12:06:59 merlin1991: sounds like the emmc went away May 15 12:07:19 merlin1991: do you have an external mmc? May 15 12:07:28 nope afaik May 15 12:07:59 If you have a clue, I would look at dmesg May 15 12:08:13 I have no clue :P May 15 12:08:21 any estimates on how much bandwidth is needed / minute talking using skype? May 15 12:08:26 but a reflash is not insane. May 15 12:08:40 It's not - IMO - likely to help - but it's not going to hurt either May 15 12:08:43 it is insofar since I need the contacts that were lost :D May 15 12:08:49 ah May 15 12:09:02 merlin1991: reflashing does not delete contacts? May 15 12:09:14 My next suggestion was reflash the mmc - which would delete contacts not stored on the SIM May 15 12:09:15 valdyn I dunno about that :D May 15 12:09:16 AIUI May 15 12:09:41 merlin1991: plus you should have used to backup app at some point May 15 12:09:45 . May 15 12:10:40 when I check the free space dialog in setting it says there that it has overall capacity of 455,8 mb May 15 12:11:16 merlin1991: odd. May 15 12:12:10 what name does the mmc have in /dev? May 15 12:12:27 mmcblk0 IIRC May 15 12:12:59 hm ls /dev | grep mmc gives me nothing :/ May 15 12:13:28 /dev/mmcblk0p1 0+ 122069 122070- 3906232 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) May 15 12:13:29 is my mmc May 15 12:13:40 what does sfdisk -l show? May 15 12:13:46 (list) May 15 12:13:56 have you been flashing anything kernel-related? May 15 12:14:02 nope May 15 12:14:18 I only installed xchat ages ago :D May 15 12:14:36 sfdisk -l has no output May 15 12:14:43 does sfdisk -l show anything? May 15 12:14:46 ok - that's odd May 15 12:14:49 as root? May 15 12:14:55 yeah May 15 12:15:30 does cat /proc/partitions show anything? May 15 12:16:13 major minor # blocks name May 15 12:16:21 only this header :/ May 15 12:17:21 That is odd. May 15 12:17:36 If it was mine, I'd plug in a mmc - and see if there was any change first May 15 12:17:43 sd even May 15 12:17:55 I don't think anyone makes micrommc May 15 12:19:01 could it be a hardware problem with the mmc? May 15 12:19:49 yes May 15 12:20:22 It could also be something wacky like somehow your rootfs has become corrupt coincidentally, and is not properly loading the module/... to support the mmc May 15 12:20:34 /proc/partitions is pretty low-level May 15 12:20:42 hm I'm just going through the dmesg stuff and found this: mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock May 15 12:20:49 plugging in a SD card will give you an idea on that May 15 12:21:04 and the next line May 15 12:21:16 mmc0: cover is open, card is now inacessible May 15 12:22:24 ah! May 15 12:22:35 where is that mmc loacated in the device? May 15 12:22:41 it's soldered on May 15 12:22:44 however May 15 12:22:46 crap May 15 12:22:50 that is a simple explanation May 15 12:23:11 oh May 15 12:23:18 and what do I do now? :P May 15 12:26:11 hm seems like it's talking about the possible extension card May 15 12:26:12 crap May 15 12:26:56 The cover is open should affect the external card May 15 12:27:02 but not the internal one May 15 12:27:04 yeah May 15 12:27:10 Is the cover open? May 15 12:27:13 jup May 15 12:27:24 should one use mame or sdlmame on the n900? May 15 12:27:27 Try putting it back on - see if there is any diffference May 15 12:27:40 I did, no difference May 15 12:28:04 merlin1991: did you reboot after closing it? May 15 12:28:20 and check dmesg for the same messages… May 15 12:28:37 The cover sense is IIRC done with a magnet May 15 12:28:45 which has been reported to fall off in some cases May 15 12:28:56 but that still shouldn't affect the internal mmc May 15 12:29:07 also the mmc cover? or only the camera cover? May 15 12:29:24 the camera shutter is sensed by an IR sensor May 15 12:29:32 see the white/black area on the back May 15 12:29:35 of the slider May 15 12:30:10 hcm I did check dmesg and it said cover is closed, card is now acessible May 15 12:30:21 I'm trying it with an sd now May 15 12:31:22 I did put an sd in and now I have stuff in /proc/partitions May 15 12:31:39 I fear the internal one is dead May 15 12:31:46 I'd say that's likely May 15 12:32:12 you currently have no customisation showing up at all/ May 15 12:32:17 yeah May 15 12:32:27 hmm looks like… is the clock error still in dmesg? May 15 12:32:32 I'm unsure exactly what it will do with a broken mmc - I think it may recreate an empty one May 15 12:32:35 the clock error is normal May 15 12:32:42 an emtpy one in / May 15 12:32:47 an empty home May 15 12:32:58 oh ^^ ok… SpeedEvil do you know what it means? May 15 12:33:04 no May 15 12:33:58 well I guess when I add a sd into the phone I should have 2 mmc devices in /dev but I have only 1 so I guess the hardware is broken May 15 12:34:00 yehaa May 15 12:34:13 I get two [ 60.366149] mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock May 15 12:34:18 adjacent to each other. May 15 12:34:26 :/ Was the phone in a case? May 15 12:34:32 nah May 15 12:34:41 only the phone, closed keyboard though May 15 12:35:04 but still 110 cm shouldn't kill it freakin hell May 15 12:35:16 I agree - ideally. May 15 12:35:31 large chips can be quite fragile though. May 15 12:35:34 What was it onto? May 15 12:35:41 when I shake it I also get a sound of loose parts :/ May 15 12:36:02 the slider is slightly loose on mine May 15 12:36:20 loose parts, with the back and battery out? May 15 12:36:30 merlin1991: that doesn't sound good at all ^^ May 15 12:37:13 btw, I don't have the debounce clock error May 15 12:38:21 merlin1991: this might be the "holder" for the memory card May 15 12:39:52 merlin1991: though here it is only audible if you really "want" to hear it May 15 12:40:20 back and battery off May 15 12:40:25 and I have loose sounds May 15 12:40:38 guys. i need immediate help. i'm in steep shit. May 15 12:40:44 my jell-o shots have gone bad. May 15 12:41:08 SpeedEvil: sorry, I also have the clock error after a fresh reboot. just wasn't present before May 15 12:41:09 but when I start unscrewing the front cover I'll loose my warranty, right? May 15 12:41:34 merlin1991: and you can verify the loose sound is not coming from the pickups/cages for the sim or mmc card? May 15 12:41:41 nope holding them both May 15 12:42:30 merlin1991: hmm that does indeed not sound well .. i for my self would _not_ start loosening screws or the like May 15 12:42:49 That wiki import thread is awesome. May 15 12:42:50 I put in too much liquid (double amount, package size is half of the recipe) do you guys think that it's possible to fix them by heating up the mix and adding more gelatin? May 15 12:42:54 well I guess i'll visit a nokia shop then May 15 12:46:53 merlin1991: yes - unscrewing anything is bad. May 15 12:47:04 korhojoa: yes. May 15 12:47:04 but it's fun todo :P May 15 12:47:15 You can't fix it anyway May 15 12:47:18 well - you could May 15 12:47:26 but you'd need to get hard to source parts May 15 12:47:29 are you saying that it will or won't work? May 15 12:47:38 i mean, jell-o is hard to find here, yes, but uh. May 15 12:47:42 korhojoa: It will work May 15 12:47:43 i did manage to acquire some May 15 12:47:49 awwright! May 15 12:47:52 korhojoa: I was meaning for merlin1991 May 15 12:47:54 ah May 15 12:47:55 D: May 15 12:48:00 now -> STORE May 15 12:48:06 Whos problems cannot be solved by jello. May 15 12:48:11 Though perhaps vodka may work. May 15 12:48:26 Vodkajello? May 15 12:49:29 hmm, strace is not in any of the maemo repo? May 15 12:50:00 it's in tools repo, sorry May 15 12:55:33 SpeedEvil: hmm sorry, where is that? May 15 12:57:59 rofl @ nokia.com/repair May 15 12:58:23 SpeedEvil, jellobacon isnt so appealing May 15 12:58:25 I get a http 404 when I click search xD May 15 13:08:52 when I run the backup app on the n900, where do the backups end up ? May 15 13:09:09 eMMC May 15 13:09:35 good that means I should at least have the backup from updating to 1.1 May 15 13:10:25 or microSD if you chose that May 15 13:16:19 hm I wonder how I'll get it though May 15 13:16:29 filemanager tells me I have no files or folders, lmao May 15 13:17:15 eMMC IS your defective chip, isn't it? May 15 13:17:42 * merlin1991 is lost on what chip is wich one, anyone up to enlighten me? May 15 13:17:55 * jaska broke down and bought an n900 :| May 15 13:18:03 try looking for your backup with find via console, but chances are that it's lost… May 15 13:19:32 afaik, MyDocs (the root of the graphical filemanager) and /opt are on the eMMC May 15 13:19:42 as well as swap May 15 13:19:55 uh oh, that means I lost it all :/ May 15 13:20:25 btw my /opt is a link to /home/opt May 15 13:20:28 is that normal? May 15 13:20:33 yes May 15 13:20:34 yes May 15 13:20:58 any reason why that is so? May 15 13:21:00 merlin1991: that's why I like scp'ing any new backups directly to my desktop computer… May 15 13:21:17 cause root is 256MB, /home is 2GBs May 15 13:21:27 /opt is needed for apps May 15 13:22:16 yeah well, you never think about backups before you actually loose data :/ May 15 13:23:11 * MohammadAG scrolls up to see what the problem is May 15 13:23:22 emmc down May 15 13:23:35 how? May 15 13:23:35 MohammadAG: eMMC is not found anymore, after N900 dropped May 15 13:23:48 not in /dev May 15 13:23:48 could be the solders? May 15 13:24:04 well that confirms it May 15 13:24:21 if it isn't in dev i doubt you can recover anything May 15 13:24:29 doh May 15 13:24:29 unless you try to resolder it May 15 13:24:37 was it 1 drop? May 15 13:24:41 jup May 15 13:24:53 cause tehkseven's device survived 9 drops iirc May 15 13:25:09 nice benchmark :D May 15 13:25:10 2/3 of which were on concrete May 15 13:25:12 *Facepalm* how you you assume its solder May 15 13:25:26 was sitting in the army in the bed, turned the phone off, wanted to put it into the locker dropped it about 110cm, turned it on the next day and had the problems May 15 13:25:49 lcuk, if it's not in /dev i don't see any other explanation May 15 13:26:20 I thought that too, I just hoped someone here would have some crazy idea that might fix it :P May 15 13:26:29 it shouldn't have broke tbh May 15 13:26:34 broken cracked bendy circuit boards May 15 13:26:38 -tbh, not the best word May 15 13:26:54 same as you can drown in a teacup May 15 13:26:56 \@/ May 15 13:27:03 lcuk, i'm a bit more optimistic xD May 15 13:27:09 well, anything, but most certainly hardware related… May 15 13:27:20 so am i, if ever in a teacup and drowning, i would drink for england May 15 13:27:21 yea well I'll get it to a nokia shop, dunno though how I'll do that, since I'm only home on weekends doh May 15 13:27:41 merlin1991, that would be your best line of action May 15 13:28:04 hmm, I wonder what error flashing the eMMC would throw May 15 13:28:18 jake was swueeling like a wounded seal a minute ago :( May 15 13:28:37 he dropped toy on his toe May 15 13:28:45 squeeling ^ May 15 13:30:07 Jake? May 15 13:32:18 youngest May 15 13:32:38 we were hunting for a piece of his track May 15 13:32:45 guys, how can I download a SVN repo if I only have the web access? May 15 13:33:04 svn uses http to do its download? May 15 13:33:14 svn co http://sdfjsjsfjdsjsfjdsjsdf May 15 13:33:14 http://svn.ogsteam.fr/trunk/ogspy/ May 15 13:33:40 yeah i just checked it out May 15 13:34:58 ta :) May 15 13:35:10 I'm such a tool with rcs May 15 13:35:34 s/with rcs// May 15 13:35:45 LOL May 15 13:36:27 you made him leave :| May 15 13:37:41 its seb :p im sure he will have forgotten something else May 15 13:39:08 20C and clear blue sky \o/ May 15 13:39:57 volcano ash scaring hte clouds away? May 15 13:40:02 I really wonder where the details dialog for memory in settings has it's 455,8 mb from (it tells me thats the total space on the device) May 15 13:40:42 lcuk: most likely! either way im not complaining :D May 15 13:44:50 merlin1991, "Nokia N900"? May 15 13:45:10 how do you mean that questions MohammadAG May 15 13:45:26 Nokia N900/MyDocs? May 15 13:45:51 merlin1991, type "df" and pastebin the result May 15 13:45:59 that's gonna by funny May 15 13:46:15 I can't get the browser running because of no swap :D May 15 13:48:56 hm how do I copy out of xterm? May 15 13:49:12 click the cursor thing, select a range May 15 13:49:19 and then? May 15 13:49:22 then in the menu is a copy item May 15 13:51:02 hm browser not able to run and no pc to scp too, damn May 15 13:51:21 take a photo from outside May 15 13:51:49 nah typing is fu May 15 13:51:50 n May 15 13:52:01 even better when you can do it :p May 15 13:54:28 http://pastebin.com/iH95y6dq May 15 13:54:33 hi May 15 14:05:43 how do i get offline files for maep May 15 14:06:16 you can get it to download stuff I think - wander roundthe UI May 15 14:06:21 I don't have it installed ATM May 15 14:06:45 SpeedEvil: what do you use May 15 14:07:01 Generally osm2go May 15 14:07:12 is it good May 15 14:07:17 which isn't really meant as a map display tool as such May 15 14:07:39 what does it do May 15 14:08:28 If there is no memory card in nokia n810 it is not able to connect over USB Cabel from desktop PC to the n810 and read data? May 15 14:08:48 openstreetmap editore May 15 14:08:50 there should be internal memory too May 15 14:09:10 SpeedEvil: o/ May 15 14:10:15 :) May 15 14:10:17 hm - welll it is. May 15 14:11:16 SpeedEvil: my connection rest ......... ok i have a gprs connection it only allows port 80 how do i get my other apps to use this May 15 14:11:21 I have here two nokia n810 - but one of them is not able to connect over USB. Internal memory is not shown. May 15 14:11:28 **reset May 15 14:12:47 no clue May 15 14:13:23 SpeedEvil: is there any software to push all connections to a proxy May 15 14:13:28 markinfo: On the n900 (I know) internal memory is not shown. For various reasons - wrong FS format - it would have to be readonly while exposed, ... - exposing internal memory isn't trivial May 15 14:13:33 dhq: sorry - not sure May 15 14:14:34 nokia 810 shows after connection over USB cabel "unable to connect via USB. Memory card in use: Internal memory card" May 15 14:14:50 i have last firmware OS2008 May 15 14:15:36 the seconds n810 connect without problems. May 15 14:15:53 is it necessary to install something? May 15 14:16:24 what about "usbcontrol" ? May 15 14:29:35 it is strange - sometimes - very seldom it connects. May 15 14:32:04 hello, somone from germany? May 15 14:32:16 i need help, for my bricked n900 May 15 14:32:21 how bricked? May 15 14:32:37 ~flashing May 15 14:32:39 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 15 14:33:30 mhh how should i tell you.. May 15 14:33:42 i try it but my english is not the best May 15 14:34:10 What does it do? May 15 14:34:11 it shows the three starting led's an than reboots May 15 14:34:21 that's not bricked then May 15 14:34:34 see the above instructions - reflash and it'll be OK May 15 14:34:42 (probably - assuming no hardware fault) May 15 14:34:53 when i flash the device i got an error May 15 14:35:21 invalid fiasco sub image <00> May 15 14:35:37 what does it mean? May 15 14:35:59 i'm on win7 May 15 14:37:48 someone here who can help me, i don't know what to do, because of that error message "Invalid FIASCO subimage id <00>" May 15 14:39:26 Where are you downloading the image from? May 15 14:39:35 can be external memory card on n810 on the fly removed? May 15 14:39:46 or inserted? May 15 14:41:55 i downloaded it from the link of the maemo.org sit (where you have to tell your emai) May 15 14:42:16 memory is inserted May 15 14:42:41 but whens its out the same message came May 15 14:43:25 which audio player to choose? May 15 14:43:44 there is no flashing process, before it will flash there comes the message "INVALID FIASCO SUBIMAGE...." May 15 14:45:53 hello someone an idea May 15 14:45:55 horrorschow: redownload the image May 15 14:46:09 horrorschow: and try doing it under a proper operating system, not windows May 15 14:46:37 so i should try it with knoppix (linux) May 15 14:46:46 ? May 15 14:46:56 might be a good idea May 15 14:47:47 ok, and i just need only the image not the emmc file May 15 14:47:53 ? May 15 14:48:21 you want only the image, unless you want to get rid of all of your settings May 15 14:49:31 @arachnist: thanks May 15 14:49:44 i wil try it again an hope it will work May 15 14:50:14 so you think der was a brick in the image or downloadprocess... May 15 14:50:24 ? May 15 14:50:50 i'd suspect that the windows is faulty here May 15 15:01:33 ok May 15 15:01:37 zhanks May 15 15:01:41 thanks May 15 15:05:38 is it possible to connect to nokia n810 external USB mouse - keyboard? there is some program "usbcontrol" May 15 15:06:41 yes, USB OTG May 15 15:07:18 staff: May 15 15:07:23 animooo: is spamming in private May 15 15:07:37 on join May 15 15:07:49 MohammadAG_, do i need special cabel adapter? May 15 15:08:22 markinfo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9BsGx_nJU4 <-- full tut May 15 15:08:30 or there is necessary to use special USB peripheras? May 15 15:08:56 satmd, you might be better off joining #freenode and asking there, channel ops can only ban him but he can still PM May 15 15:09:04 MohammadAG_: did :) May 15 15:09:09 :) May 15 15:10:03 wew May 15 15:10:34 Well, F-F USB ADAPTER works it also with normal USB Mouse? May 15 15:10:47 I guess so May 15 15:10:50 hey here is n800 taking? May 15 15:10:54 I never had an N810, but yes it should work May 15 15:12:33 sorry but i am drink some beer May 15 15:13:13 some small external USB keyboard would be nice with n810. Even Printer would be possible? May 15 15:13:48 if CUPS was ported yes May 15 15:13:58 note to anyone in here: whoever clicked the links of animooo May 15 15:14:04 they contain malware May 15 15:14:16 sure May 15 15:14:36 friggin chanserv doesn't accept akick from me May 15 15:14:45 hi i could need an smal hint how to start my qt programms on the N900 with the default theme ... every time I start it no it looks like on the desktop May 15 15:14:48 /ns group? May 15 15:14:52 GeneralAntilles: PING May 15 15:14:59 unless your nicks are already grouped May 15 15:15:12 GeneralAntilles: please chanserv akick animoo May 15 15:15:26 MohammadAG_: is grouped May 15 15:15:35 he left May 15 15:15:40 * animooo (~animooo@fm-ip-118.136.243.201.fast.net.id) has left #maemo May 15 15:16:01 no reason NOT to set a akick May 15 15:16:14 friggin bloody spammer asshole May 15 15:16:18 nice: wine on N900 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzTFMpAQVM May 15 15:16:23 autokick? why not just /ban him? May 15 15:17:00 err http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3v4YC9RT-g May 15 15:18:21 satmd: any info about type of malware May 15 15:18:49 ? May 15 15:19:56 darn May 15 15:20:50 anybody got a whois of animoo? May 15 15:21:05 aah May 15 15:21:07 nm May 15 15:21:12 hm? May 15 15:21:16 no more needed May 15 15:21:21 I handed it to freenode staff May 15 15:21:22 animooo@fm-ip-118.136.243.201.fast.net.id May 15 15:21:53 satmd, he's still connected :) May 15 15:22:23 I did a /query, when he's killed it should say animooo has quit May 15 15:22:42 t-tan: Would be a bit nicer if the damned thing was in focus May 15 15:23:16 satmd: thanks May 15 15:23:18 i have an silly question .. . I installed my own qt applicaton but everytime I start it from the Console it looks so different ... May 15 15:23:32 Jaffa: would even better if he could give us the binaries to replicate it... May 15 15:23:51 this friggin moron made me jump up a nd leave my coffee :-(( May 15 15:23:54 t-tan: Well, indeed May 15 15:24:19 how 2 make it looking as normal May 15 15:24:47 * DocScrutinizer waves May 15 15:24:55 anybody saw this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=659580&postcount=80 , awesome May 15 15:25:03 F66F, run-standalone.sh? May 15 15:25:07 How many colors does N900 have? May 15 15:25:22 satmd: any details about which type of malware he's spreading on that site? May 15 15:25:24 ^24 or ^16? May 15 15:25:31 MohammadAG_: standalone.sh? May 15 15:25:51 hm May 15 15:25:52 nvm May 15 15:25:59 finally, the nokia headset-controls will work May 15 15:26:05 run-standalone.sh appbinary May 15 15:27:24 trumee: HUH? May 15 15:27:25 MohammadAG_: i dont used usb networking the application is hard installed May 15 15:27:33 via dhkp May 15 15:27:53 There is no acces on internal data (nokia_N810) in n810 over USB cabel? Only on Internal memory? May 15 15:28:02 DocScrutinizer: remote control buttons on the headset May 15 15:28:48 F66F, no idea then May 15 15:29:07 trumee: aaah yes. the ne silly holdbutton. Was easy May 15 15:29:12 MohammadAG_: i installed it via dhkp May 15 15:29:12 one May 15 15:29:26 the ap isnt in the app menu May 15 15:29:37 anyone else getting probs with SDL_WM_GrabInput May 15 15:29:44 thought you're talking about controlS (plural) May 15 15:29:44 i can start it from the console May 15 15:29:52 but it looks so fucking ... May 15 15:30:10 anyway, my coffee getting cold. bbl May 15 15:30:16 F66F, did you make a .desktop file? May 15 15:30:24 no May 15 15:30:33 where 2 place it? May 15 15:30:46 /usr/share/applications/hildon/ May 15 15:30:51 k May 15 15:30:53 how do you expect it to show up in the menu? May 15 15:31:01 if there's no desktop file May 15 15:31:16 i tought might the install would do that May 15 15:31:17 *G* May 15 15:31:32 but im really new @ such things May 15 15:33:30 hm May 15 15:33:47 i have like 2 weeks left on my giganews acct May 15 15:33:56 i should get all the wii games i can May 15 15:37:40 Just as backups for your existing media of course. May 15 15:38:13 of course May 15 15:42:37 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026207.html SDL and grabbing the volume buttons May 15 15:45:39 openarena is pretty good May 15 15:47:12 MohammadAG_: building an Desktop files worked 4 me ... May 15 15:49:54 Sad how totally MeeGo has killed maemo.org as an effective collaboration space. May 15 15:50:34 has it? May 15 15:50:42 Pretty much May 15 15:50:44 i thought meego was just an idea May 15 15:50:55 like rome in gladiator May 15 15:50:56 Everybody's either in a holding pattern or pissed off. May 15 15:51:03 haha May 15 15:51:15 dont know where it is going huh? May 15 15:51:34 why dev for maemo when meego might replace it May 15 15:52:15 Right May 15 15:52:29 Or work on the website or anything community related. May 15 15:52:36 heh May 15 15:52:41 blame nokia May 15 15:53:15 blame Stskeeps May 15 15:53:21 :-D May 15 15:53:22 what, i've had my beating thread May 15 15:53:40 haha May 15 15:53:41 and i would like to say that i pissed off the n8x0 users so much they started actually dominating the 'new posts' section of tmo May 15 15:53:45 :P May 15 15:54:11 haha May 15 15:54:20 see? just blame Stskeeps May 15 15:54:33 i cant find my n810 May 15 15:54:38 i lost it haha May 15 15:55:15 i think i might get a 2nd n900 when they come down tho if people can figure out this meego/maemo bullshit May 15 15:56:00 If the screen gets a pressure fix, one could buy them just for art May 15 15:56:05 maybe this running around with their heads chopped off thing will get the n900 to come down to $100 May 15 15:56:27 I'm about to put android on my N810.. just because it might make it more usefull May 15 15:56:39 BugBlue: haha May 15 15:56:43 i lost mine May 15 15:56:57 i have been looking for it but have no idea where it has gone May 15 15:57:13 i might have lost it in my move 4 months ago May 15 15:57:22 it was just collecting dust anyways May 15 15:57:47 worthless nowadays i suppose although i did want to do the carmman thing May 15 15:58:31 would it be possible to install finch on maemo/the n900, since finch does exist only for debian? if yes, which version of finch should i try to install (lenny, sid...)? May 15 15:59:07 GAN900: there is always opendeb ;) May 15 15:59:10 er May 15 15:59:13 easydeb May 15 15:59:36 I'm tireddd May 15 15:59:45 Macer: was that addressed to me? May 15 15:59:54 nope May 15 16:01:04 BugBlue: LOL May 15 16:01:33 luke-jr: maybe he should install wastedlifetoo May 15 16:01:38 uhm.. gentoo May 15 16:01:54 Good Morning guy May 15 16:02:32 anyways.. laundry :) May 15 16:09:08 uhm, ok, i think i *may* install finch for lenny on the n900, but it depends on libc6 version 2.7, and maemo currently has 2.5 (among a few other missing dependencies) ... any chance i could update that? May 15 16:15:15 hmm, where is HILDONDESKTOP_LIBS defined for autotools May 15 16:16:25 simeoni: you're aware of the easy debian chroot? May 15 16:16:49 simoneb_: uh, just recompile it for libc 2.5? May 15 16:17:52 what sort of mutant ears one has to have to use the default headphones? May 15 16:18:03 you could use http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/finch simoneb_ May 15 16:19:14 jaska: i suggest you softly pull your ear up when you put in the headphone May 15 16:20:07 pupnik: no armel build though :( May 15 16:23:39 how to include my icon and the Desktop file in my N900 Qt projekt? May 15 16:23:50 is there an beginner tutorial ... May 15 16:24:17 ?? May 15 16:24:40 icons go in /usr/share/pixmaps, icon for the desktop file is specified as Icon=filename in the .desktop file, package them as a deb and put them in -devel May 15 16:24:47 all of that is in the wiki May 15 16:25:13 !packaging May 15 16:25:20 MohammadAG_: do you habe a link? plz May 15 16:26:15 wiki.maemo.org May 15 16:26:21 ~packaging May 15 16:26:23 Ask me about ipkg May 15 16:27:09 MohammadAG_: thx May 15 16:55:56 many lurkers May 15 16:57:27 indeed May 15 16:58:13 * SpeedEvil lurks. May 15 17:06:29 NO May 15 17:06:30 NO LURKERS May 15 17:07:27 we can't have that May 15 17:08:00 woot? May 15 17:08:17 splash May 15 17:15:44 there's something funny with N900's mpeg4 encoder... the videos have slight artifacting when viewed on anything else besides N900's builtind media player May 15 17:19:05 * LowRider Brand New!!Notebooks and LCD TVs.Discounts up to 30%.Our Special Limited Time Offers Up To May, 22. The newest electronics only http://www.elplace.com May 15 17:21:06 wtf May 15 17:21:18 we got spamday? May 15 17:22:04 oh, some bot caught the spammer May 15 17:23:17 lol May 15 17:24:42 I need a TV! May 15 17:25:05 lol May 15 17:25:08 get it somewhere else plz May 15 17:25:14 not to mention, the link is dead May 15 17:25:26 did the bot take that down too? May 15 17:25:56 95.211.132.69 Amsterdam, NL /get_orders_list.php May 15 17:26:00 haha May 15 17:26:02 l33t hacker May 15 17:26:51 . May 15 17:27:18 wonder how well trying to fetch /get_orders_list.php has worked out May 15 17:28:03 * Macer is reminded of wargames with the modem line fetching app May 15 17:32:44 * DocScrutinizer sends "+++ATH\r\n" to macer May 15 17:41:18 Jaffa, first of all, GMT isn't a thing. :P May 15 17:41:24 Second, +1? May 15 18:17:01 Hello all, I am trying to package a python module, and in the packaging process it calls the compiler but the sbox can't find it: May 15 18:17:04 sb_gcc_wrapper (gcc): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory May 15 18:17:30 But the file exists in that specific path, does anyone have a clue? May 15 18:17:45 hey all May 15 18:18:32 \o PhonicUK May 15 18:18:37 lo May 15 18:23:24 First of all, I don't understand why it needs to call the compiler if it is a python module. May 15 18:26:04 otubo: you also get that message if the system cannot execute the file because of missing libs or architectural problems May 15 18:26:12 like arm on x86 and vice versa May 15 18:28:10 satmd, this is the full log http://pastebin.com/PsdHnTDx, I am inside the sbox environment and I just get this message in this situation. May 15 18:28:40 satmd, but if I call the the compiler using its full path it works fine May 15 18:31:02 mhm, I have not used scratchbox enough to help more than what I know about general cross-compiling May 15 18:31:03 like this http://pastebin.com/YgGZEJiH May 15 18:32:36 satmd, all right, no problem and thanks for you help on a saturday afternoom :) May 15 18:32:48 20:32 here :p May 15 18:33:02 yeah, a little worse than :P May 15 18:35:21 X-Fade: http://build.obs.maemo.org/project/monitor?project=home%3AAdmin May 15 18:47:19 GAN900: GMT *is* a thing May 15 18:47:42 But UK is GMT+1 right now, aka BST, right? :P May 15 18:47:50 GAN900: Anyway, +1 is Google being shit; not me. The vCard is right; as were the times, in UTC, on doodle.com May 15 18:47:54 ShadowJK: Yeah; exactly. May 15 18:48:42 n900 is a wonderful tool when standing in long queues May 15 18:50:29 till the battery runs out May 15 18:51:31 that long lines dont exist May 15 18:51:31 N900 + irreco remote + electronics store + wall of TVs = FUN! May 15 18:52:16 PhonicUK, that's evil genius material May 15 18:52:19 lol May 15 18:52:24 MohammadAG_, lol... hasn't happened to me yet... I charge it every evening but generally don't have any need to do so during the day May 15 18:52:24 no no, evil genius material is: May 15 18:52:58 Start "Mobile Hotspot", Rename hotspot to "Free WiFi Internet", Turn it on, Launch "Wireshark" packet sniffer May 15 18:53:11 sit in Starbucks, wait for fun May 15 18:54:02 ruskie, I used up 4 batteries yesterday May 15 18:54:33 MohammadAG_, wth were you doing? May 15 18:54:47 tbh idk :P May 15 18:54:56 he was torrenting porn! May 15 18:55:09 I need to make quite an effort to spend a battery to empty in a day May 15 18:55:17 and I tend to listen to music 8h per day@work May 15 18:55:20 nah, warez ftw for illegal stuff *cough* May 15 18:55:43 damn ME, couldn't find a BH-214 here May 15 18:57:05 Cannot find required GStreamer-0.10 plugin 'gconfaudiosink'. grrr May 15 19:03:55 the libqt situation is starting to be more aggravating May 15 19:06:00 Jaffa, make sure before the meeting theres enough pings around i want to come along May 15 19:06:02 lcuk: from maemo.org OBS: libliqbase scheduled succeeded May 15 19:06:14 and suddenly there was an lbt May 15 19:06:29 you built it more than me lol May 15 19:06:48 * lbt is uploading Extras to OBS ... May 15 19:07:00 deb OBS? May 15 19:07:06 Fremantle May 15 19:07:09 or converting on the go May 15 19:07:11 ahh May 15 19:07:21 i thought some magic was there May 15 19:07:24 same OBS will do Harmattan May 15 19:07:35 and maybe... (ideally) MeeGo May 15 19:07:36 cool May 15 19:07:42 same tarball May 15 19:07:54 multiple arch, multiple package, multiple OS May 15 19:08:06 yep May 15 19:08:14 :) May 15 19:08:24 is there an uber quick native arm system around May 15 19:08:34 ie can i get a beagleboard on steroids May 15 19:08:48 no, but you can run OBS workers on ARM 'blades' May 15 19:09:03 can i get one of these blades May 15 19:09:08 or a sheath of them May 15 19:09:16 cross-compile May 15 19:09:27 bah adds complexity May 15 19:09:46 i wonder tho May 15 19:09:56 nah, adds availability and accessibility May 15 19:10:20 sure May 15 19:10:31 it's a tad 'selfish' to do it in a way that only works for you :) May 15 19:10:37 it just fries my mind - especially when i cant run on the system i build it on May 15 19:10:44 emulation cant yuv properly May 15 19:11:06 never has been able to May 15 19:11:07 lcuk: will try to - but I'm slammed at work at the moment May 15 19:11:12 yuv? May 15 19:11:22 lbt build/run cycles May 15 19:11:27 Right; should try and find something to snack on in this London hotel. May 15 19:11:31 i could do it native x86 May 15 19:12:06 Hi May 15 19:12:07 Jaffa: I'm uploading Extras to OBS ... May 15 19:12:23 just to (hopefully) cheer you up May 15 19:12:26 lbt: saw; cool :-) May 15 19:12:32 * Jaffa will try and catch you later. May 15 19:12:37 np May 15 19:12:55 Or, I might take advantage of the hotel's free BluRay rental and watch Inglourious Basterds. May 15 19:13:43 that flick is awesome :D May 15 19:17:38 Jaffa, isnt your house near london :P May 15 19:25:13 was doctor who worth watching? May 15 19:27:37 Is here anyone using gentoo? May 15 19:27:57 yabba: yes May 15 19:28:49 Do it support mobile broadband in the out of box install? Like ubuntu has done since 8.10 (if I remember correct) May 15 19:29:05 yabba: sorry only on n810 May 15 19:29:50 Aaaah, :P darm, I just go pissed of with this new ubuntu and thinking to change distro. I just need to know that May 15 19:30:13 so to => #gentoo May 15 19:30:22 "mobile broadband" is not a technical/meaningful term May 15 19:30:28 no it doesn't May 15 19:30:44 Gentoo doesn't have a box install May 15 19:31:04 ok, so I need wired connection to get mobile working? May 15 19:32:19 <_llll_> what do you mean? you seem to be making someunspoken assumptions May 15 19:32:34 I would recommend that, although maybe install cd can use mobile... you could try May 15 19:32:59 has anyone else ever taken their N900, opened up the stand, and stuck 2 fingers through so its like a massive ring? May 15 19:33:28 CD? in a tablet? May 15 19:33:29 Oh, I mean can I use my N900 as a modem in gentoo right after install, because I don't have wired internet at home so I can't install packages from internet. May 15 19:33:43 PhonicUK: I've worn it on my full hand.. May 15 19:33:53 yabba: obviously that depends on what you install May 15 19:33:58 eeh, how does that work? May 15 19:34:13 PhonicUK: just slide my hand through it May 15 19:34:25 N900 might be too small, dunno May 15 19:34:29 that makes no sense May 15 19:34:37 I thinking that gentoo 10.1 liveDVD is only option for me May 15 19:34:51 yabba: how do you plan to put a DVD in your N900? May 15 19:35:15 luke-jr, Ach, to my laptop, replacing ubuntu May 15 19:35:17 luke-jr: nfs-mount? D: May 15 19:35:41 yabba: well, you can't install Gentoo at all without a network connection I think May 15 19:35:52 I imagine the LiveDVD would have PPP May 15 19:36:01 And if we could have usb-host mode, it could be done with external dvd/cd May 15 19:36:07 you can install gentoo without network May 15 19:36:11 yabba: you can't. May 15 19:36:35 you will just have to get portage copy from somewhere + source packages May 15 19:36:37 luke-jr, whynot? May 15 19:36:49 yabba: it's not wired properly for host mode May 15 19:37:00 jacekowski: same difference May 15 19:37:29 besides, you can use n900 in that network mode May 15 19:37:36 and use it as http proxy May 15 19:37:42 jacekowski, ok, so I think it is some other distro then :P May 15 19:38:00 yabba: as I said, a LiveDVD *should* have PPP May 15 19:38:16 gentoo is pita May 15 19:38:22 if necessary, you can install Gentoo from Ubuntu ;p May 15 19:40:43 luke-jr, If I can choose, I could get win7, but for this laptop it is waste of money (this laptop is time to time more the useless brick than Apple 3 was) May 15 19:40:56 yabba: it is always a waste of money May 15 19:42:52 luke-jr, no I don't think so May 15 19:43:35 your problem :) May 15 19:43:53 vista was waste of money (and the reason why I started to use linux), but because I love to play games (and hate to fight and wait whit wine) windows is also a choice May 15 19:44:05 <_llll_> the guy's considering gentoo, "waste" is presumably not a wor dhe has a good understanding of May 15 19:44:21 lucky that there will be less games for it May 15 19:45:22 Jaffa, yeah, I'm pretty sure I forgot about DST. :/ May 15 19:46:47 yabba: as if games are exclusive to Windows May 15 19:47:26 GAN900: was DST today?? May 15 19:47:40 that would explain why my alarm clocks didn't wake me up until 9 May 15 19:49:22 luke-jr, sadly thats true, but I put all my hopes in steam. May 15 19:49:39 steam? May 15 19:49:49 not sure it's a good idea to boil water under your tablet May 15 19:51:12 :P May 15 19:51:40 Valve steam http://store.steampowered.com/ May 15 19:52:15 And no, last thing the very last thing (even die before) is, that I would take a Mac May 15 19:52:17 proprietary crap? worthless May 15 19:54:11 also http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1 May 15 19:55:49 luke-jr, that's old news, but we still need to wait (same thing with voddler) and it is not helping me at the moment May 15 19:56:05 so get some *good* games May 15 20:10:06 * LowRider Discounts!! Our Special Limited Time Offers Up To May,22!!! Notebooks,Plasma and LCD TV's.Buy your electronic needs at our unique prices. Laptop Sony VAIO® VGN-FW590FFD-575,57$!!!Apple MacBook® Air MC234LL/A-695,27$!!! http://www.elplace.com/ May 15 20:19:44 I bet they don't deliver to Yurp. May 15 20:22:56 riding pretty low there May 15 20:23:09 now to get rid of the quickbar in terminal :| May 15 20:24:25 google doesnt seem to be my friend, and its not disableable in menu like in n810 May 15 20:31:29 aah... gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" May 15 20:38:03 jaska: did you figure out how to get rid of the quickbar? May 15 20:38:29 gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" did it for me in fullscreen mode May 15 20:38:31 its using so much real estate.... May 15 20:38:36 .... oh May 15 20:38:48 ctrl-backspace still works to get out May 15 20:39:03 nice May 15 20:39:24 forgot it was called keybar... after that searching actually helped May 15 20:41:35 xterm? you're mad? ctrl-cr May 15 20:43:04 sweet, thanks May 15 20:43:21 mad? how? May 15 20:44:59 hadnt realized the usb connector was same size as n810, dont need to keep both cables attached :D May 15 20:48:50 thanks for orp packaging MohammadAG_ May 15 20:53:27 jaska: they're not. N810 has an AB-receptacle, N900 a B-type. The B-plug of the cable will match both though May 15 20:54:44 ah, its the only microusb(?) cable ive ever seen so :) May 15 21:27:44 hello all May 15 21:28:36 anyone there...? May 15 21:28:52 * djdm is here, yes - haven;t seen anyone else for a few minutes though May 15 21:29:04 Though you'd expect there to be with over 500 peeps in here :) May 15 21:29:14 Channel full of people,nobody willing do speak May 15 21:29:24 lcukn900: No, my house is up near Rugby. No early trains for the weekend working tomorrow. May 15 21:30:51 okay May 15 21:32:56 well, all of Extras is up there now... May 15 21:33:56 not the best summary.... http://pastie.org/961971 May 15 21:34:24 is there any wap browser available which i can use to download movies from www.iphonemoviez.net May 15 21:35:10 rokr1: you are so close to getting kicked May 15 21:35:57 may I recommend treading *extremely* carefully? May 15 21:36:08 okie May 15 21:36:48 rokr1: why would you want WAP? You have a full IP stack, and support for fully fledged websites May 15 21:36:57 jaf, ahh thought it was closer lol. enjoying bluray? May 15 21:37:04 jaf, mm May 15 21:37:12 autocomplete isnt working May 15 21:37:19 jaffa May 15 21:37:20 Jaffa: May 15 21:37:22 sure it is May 15 21:37:31 for you maybe lol May 15 21:37:34 :D May 15 21:37:41 tried useragent for the microB browser May 15 21:37:53 rokr1: what are you trying to achieve? May 15 21:38:01 rokr1: without naming websites May 15 21:38:37 website which i need to access is iphonemoviez.net May 15 21:44:02 they're just making it too easy these days May 15 21:44:18 who r? May 15 21:44:27 spammers May 15 21:45:40 * Arkenoi wonders if irc spam does pay, audience is relatively small and spam tolerance is low May 15 21:47:32 Mail spam pays in the per mill area. I guess irc spam does, too. May 15 21:48:18 And it is relatively cheap. Lowrider here was a bot logged in from three computers. May 15 21:48:23 was that spa or just some1 saying the site he wanted to go no? May 15 21:48:56 I thought people were talking about lowrider (who renamed himself to Drogba for some other channels) May 15 21:49:33 i dunno crash just kicked some1 May 15 21:49:49 my typing is awful tonight May 15 21:53:15 well, it could've been a real person May 15 21:53:45 but in doubt, I'd rather remove a malwave spammer even if it means I just kicked someone who genuinely wanted to access a malware website May 15 21:53:57 either case, I told him to tread very carefully, which he didn't May 15 21:54:03 :) May 15 21:54:06 Opened: 2008-10-31 22:54 May 15 21:54:23 you have to love it when you file a bug almost 2 years for something that seems important but it is completely ignored May 15 21:54:34 go zimbra! May 15 21:54:36 haha May 15 22:01:37 http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/05/15/1839240/Google-Stops-Selling-Its-Own-Phone?art_pos=2 :/ May 15 22:02:44 (WRT the marketplace getting les open) May 15 22:02:44 hi all ! guys can someone help me ? I try to install amsn on a n810 (or whatever able to do videoconference from nit to pc) and it fails with some apt error on dependencies: link here: http://pastebin.com/jPaZHyrR May 15 22:03:59 crashanddie, of course you did and he didnt listen May 15 22:04:10 mind you, "dont press the red button" just makes it all the more appealing May 15 22:04:26 lcuk: appeal doens't change my job May 15 22:04:55 someone know how to install it ? May 15 22:05:25 SpeedEvil: then it was complete BS from the begining anyway. Open a web store and then only sell to certain markets? That is just aboiut as retarded as only Google can be :) May 15 22:05:42 kpoman, where did amsn come from and what repositories have you got enabled May 15 22:05:58 tybollt: well - at least you could actually buy it open May 15 22:06:00 the simplest way to install stuff is to usually setup just the maemo ones and work with them May 15 22:06:16 having to add extra repositories usually ends up with extra problems May 15 22:06:30 dependency overlaps and version conflicts etc May 15 22:06:35 lcuk directly from the amsn project site, downloaded that repository ... tried to install both via the n810 gui and command line ... the apt stuff is posted on the link provided. it says some dependencies are un installable May 15 22:07:00 lcuk: I just saw posts saying this works on maemo May 15 22:07:04 Anyone have a pointer to 'build a kernel on n900' ? I'm having problems getting started with it crosscompiling. May 15 22:07:04 yes of cource kpoman but i also dont know what repositories you are meant to have or what they provide May 15 22:07:09 and I downloaded from maemo repo of it May 15 22:07:11 remove all extra repos and try again May 15 22:07:29 lcuk: see here, it seems to be compatible: http://www.amsn-project.net/maemo-downloads.php May 15 22:07:30 Basically as, I have a slackware laptop that 'just works' and I don't want to screw with upgrading it May 15 22:08:16 kpoman i dont doubt it May 15 22:08:37 lcuk: i am newbie to this, received my tablet last thursday May 15 22:08:57 lcuk: i just want to make a video call to my mom in other country May 15 22:09:01 o, well try what i have suggested - remove all additional repositories except for maemo and nokia May 15 22:09:04 lcuk and to hack my device May 15 22:09:06 then go through the steps again May 15 22:09:07 a bit May 15 22:09:32 lcuk: where are thos ? i am already connected via ssh to the phone ... cant seem to find where the repos I downloaded are May 15 22:09:43 SpeedEvil: YOU could - cause you're _in the right country_ - Google said "sorry you're in Sweden - FUCK YOU!", so yeah, die google and die your silly web shop :) May 15 22:10:00 lcuk: /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? May 15 22:10:13 application manager repositories list May 15 22:10:30 gui May 15 22:11:38 lcuk: it seems to be the same thing as /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? May 15 22:12:47 hey crashhanddie May 15 22:12:48 kpoman, sure May 15 22:12:53 First of all - hello everybody! May 15 22:13:03 * lcuk has never seen a newbie who goes to the console before the gui May 15 22:13:05 And sorry for my English May 15 22:13:50 maemo.ogr/packages ui is borkened May 15 22:14:08 I have a question - is it possible to somehow do scheduled mail checks with automatic internet connection? May 15 22:14:33 The thing is that i dont keep my connection always on, becouse of the battery lifetime May 15 22:14:58 autodisconnect May 15 22:15:05 I was about to say that, yes May 15 22:15:06 i would like it connect to internet and check mails lets say every 30 minutes May 15 22:15:23 Although not sure how you'd get it to auto-connect in the first place May 15 22:15:23 i have auto disconnect May 15 22:15:25 hey unban me crashhie May 15 22:15:59 afaik Modest only checks when already connected May 15 22:16:02 I`we also managed to get connection scripts that i can schedule to connect in specifix time May 15 22:16:03 Darokr1: you do realise that ban evasion is punishable by a network ban, right? May 15 22:16:16 no not really May 15 22:16:31 i am new here buddy May 15 22:16:40 I don't care, read the rules May 15 22:16:43 but the problem is that the dbus command i found in web (SendRecieve) is kinda not working for me? May 15 22:16:44 i have N900 May 15 22:17:06 Who_Cares: Unfortunately that's beyond what I can help with; maybe someone else can? May 15 22:17:09 and there is not much information about that on the internet, so i decided to come and talk with you guys May 15 22:17:20 Darokr1: done May 15 22:17:29 phew thanks crashhie May 15 22:17:29 Darokr1: next time, send me a PM May 15 22:17:38 Darokr1: also, please type my nick completely May 15 22:18:06 crashanddie is that okay May 15 22:18:10 fine May 15 22:19:42 lcuk: lol I really prefer command line, I bought mine tablet to do development with usb and python May 15 22:19:59 kpoman, thats cool May 15 22:20:11 lcuk: but still wanna use the tablet for what I bought (having webcam) May 15 22:20:13 the sources.d you found is regenerated by hildon-application-manager May 15 22:20:26 not that I dont like to take pictures of myself but ... May 15 22:20:44 the n810 has video chat built in afaik? May 15 22:20:46 lcuk: I placed the repo of amsn on top of the list and still get the same issue May 15 22:21:02 well its possible they have forgotten about n810 users May 15 22:21:03 lcuk: yeah, gtalk should work with video out of the box May 15 22:21:07 lcuk: which package ? I just want to communicate with an xp box via internet May 15 22:21:10 have you removed all your extra repos May 15 22:21:39 lcuk: no, just took them lower May 15 22:22:05 is there any vlc port to maemo...? May 15 22:22:05 kpoman, well you know more than me then May 15 22:22:26 lcuk: now i did remove the others, it still bugs May 15 22:23:06 rokr1: yes May 15 22:23:16 it might do, you will have to contact the website then, i dunno which repositories contain the required files you need May 15 22:24:13 external fad repositories May 15 22:24:16 * lcuk rolleyes May 15 22:25:07 i just saw that port in some...labs.com May 15 22:25:11 lcuk: it seems this one is buggy: E: Package libsoup2.4-1 has no installation candidat May 15 22:25:52 im goin coding \o May 15 22:25:57 good luck kpoman May 15 22:26:02 ok thanks May 15 22:26:02 cya later crashanddie \o May 15 22:26:08 nevermind I will read some google May 15 22:26:12 kpoman: libsoup2.4-1 should be installed by default http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr_armel/libsoup2.4-1/2.24.3-2maemo2+0m5/ May 15 22:26:23 crashanddie, m5 May 15 22:26:26 hes on n810 May 15 22:26:28 oh May 15 22:26:54 crashanddie: how do I do that ? May 15 22:27:05 kpoman: no sorry, it's for a more recent version of maemo May 15 22:27:05 wget ? apt ? May 15 22:27:21 kpoman: get the sources from debian, and try to build it yourself in scratchbox May 15 22:27:22 crashanddie: I would really update mine, how do I do that ? May 15 22:27:36 kpoman: maemo 5 only works on N900, not n810, sorry May 15 22:28:13 but is meego officially available for n900 May 15 22:28:16 ? May 15 22:28:21 no May 15 22:28:28 is meego officially available for anything? May 15 22:28:28 meego is not available officially for anything. May 15 22:28:46 * lcuk isnt here May 15 22:28:59 atom process will loose to arm in power consumption May 15 22:29:10 lcuk: take care guv May 15 22:29:49 just installed * May 15 22:30:00 Asterisk May 15 22:30:21 home pbx May 15 22:30:41 man N900 is a awsome device May 15 22:30:45 kpoman: Maemo 5 is built on the Cortex-A8 architecture (armv7l), while your n810's processor is only ARM11 (armv6l) - if you wanted a more detailed reason ;) May 15 22:30:50 not the best summary.... http://pastie.org/961971 May 15 22:31:39 b-man: ok no problem ! but it should be buildable ? May 15 22:31:44 for armv61 ? May 15 22:31:46 kmplayer + mplayer is vlc alternative but cannot change aspect ratio May 15 22:31:57 kpoman: except you wouldn't have drivers for squat shit May 15 22:32:06 crashanddie: ok May 15 22:32:15 kpoman: and a bunch of UI is proprietary by Nokia, and we have no sources May 15 22:32:32 crashanddie: are they going to release some ? May 15 22:32:39 doubtful at this stage May 15 22:33:20 i have a lot of hope with N900 and nokia May 15 22:33:21 crashanddie: see i just looked for libsoup found some packages, but dont quite understand ...are they for maemo 2 and 3 ? May 15 22:33:31 lbt, are those the ones that made it in? May 15 22:33:40 kpoman: link? May 15 22:33:47 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsoup2.4-1/ May 15 22:34:00 hey where to autostart an app May 15 22:34:12 kpoman: they end with m5 May 15 22:34:14 crashanddie: seems to be for m5 May 15 22:34:18 yep May 15 22:34:38 kpoman: there's always a dirty thing you could try May 15 22:34:40 crashanddie: do you know how should I setup some chrooted fs or whatever to start downloading and compiling sources for m4 ? May 15 22:34:49 kpoman: have already reflashed your n810, and are you afraid of doing it again? May 15 22:35:04 crashanddie: I just got it virgin May 15 22:35:12 crashanddie: I mean never flashed it nor nothing May 15 22:35:14 ok, so there's a few things you need to be aware of May 15 22:35:17 kpoman, go onto google and seek people who replicated it on n810 recently May 15 22:35:24 ~optification May 15 22:35:25 rumour has it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs May 15 22:35:29 your problem is that the repositoriy is offering potentially outdated files May 15 22:35:33 crashanddie: what is that ? May 15 22:35:34 and incomplete installs May 15 22:35:54 kpoman: basically, if you look at your partitioning (df) you'll see that the root (/) is very small May 15 22:36:10 / is a seperate device May 15 22:36:23 kpoman: which means that if applications just install to /usr/bin or whatever under /usr, you're going to run out of space very very quickly May 15 22:36:24 crashanddie: but see there are lot of casper or whatever fs, for example I run a complete os from my pendrive, isnt there a way to do such a thing here ? May 15 22:36:29 kpoman: SpeedEvil explains it better May 15 22:36:36 yes 256 mb nand flash May 15 22:36:49 crashanddie: isnt there a way to use those other 2gb ? May 15 22:37:08 yeah, but it's slower (well, maybe not by much on the n810, I never tried it personally) May 15 22:37:11 hey its just the swap partition May 15 22:37:19 dudes please wait (must go buy some food, my wife is shouting at me) brb I need to pass this whole night making my stuff work on usb May 15 22:37:23 brb May 15 22:37:23 I know some people even ran their whole system from the SD card May 15 22:37:37 brb May 15 22:37:40 sure May 15 22:37:44 bye May 15 22:37:46 :( May 15 22:38:11 oke quick brb May 15 22:38:25 rokr1: we're talking about the n810 here, not the n900, no need to just shout stuff if you're not sure what we're talking about May 15 22:38:39 i am sorry May 15 22:38:58 rokr1: and for the website you were trying to access earlier: it's not a legal website, we don't support that stuff in here May 15 22:39:12 ok May 15 22:39:24 rokr1: if you want to access it, you were on the right path using the modified User-Agent, but we can't help you more than that May 15 22:39:24 i will never name it here May 15 23:07:17 np pupnik May 15 23:07:23 Night all :) May 15 23:10:51 Does anyone know how to set default python to 2.5 (instead of 2.3.4) on sbox? May 15 23:26:53 should we go +r, to temporaraily protect users of this chan from spam? May 15 23:28:02 I've seen two or three May 15 23:28:07 It's not a problem yet May 15 23:28:21 fsckng elplace.com/ is spamming whole freenode with adverts, both to channels and in private queries to users skimmed from chan userlists May 15 23:29:08 and now from grumpy ops :P May 15 23:29:27 pfrrrrrrpppf May 15 23:29:46 * lcuk laughs May 15 23:33:19 hey all May 15 23:37:50 anyone know if there is a working android image for the n900 somewhere? May 15 23:40:54 SO May 15 23:41:06 how is meego/maemo going? May 15 23:41:07 :) May 15 23:41:16 can't everybody just rename maemo to meego and done? May 15 23:41:17 haha May 15 23:41:24 i want pr 1.2 May 15 23:41:29 and flash 10 May 15 23:41:34 PhonicUK: SHHH.. that's crazy talk May 15 23:41:36 :) May 15 23:41:41 lol May 15 23:41:49 * Macer points at the topic May 15 23:41:51 i want a pony too! May 15 23:42:16 they won't have 1.2 if meego is stuck in the air keeping everything in limbo May 15 23:42:18 i cant see the topic :p May 15 23:42:37 PhonicUK: haha. that is like when you get caught in bed with another man's woman and you say "she didn't say she had a man!" May 15 23:42:39 using xchat on my n900 May 15 23:43:05 NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638289#post638289 May 15 23:43:10 that's the end part :) May 15 23:43:27 i guess it's ok since you didn't ask :) May 15 23:43:39 good thing i wasn't asking :p May 15 23:43:39 * lcuk ->> bed May 15 23:43:43 gnite DocScrutinizer May 15 23:43:54 gnite May 15 23:44:10 sleep is a crutch May 15 23:45:01 i want a good game for my n900 May 15 23:45:06 <|R> Pee Arrr One Point Two? what? Kick? :P May 15 23:45:13 lol May 15 23:45:37 * DocScrutinizer suggests /topic to PhonicUK May 15 23:45:40 hmm i wish the osk wad quicker to show up May 15 23:45:49 lol May 15 23:46:15 i also wish the osk had a shift key on the left May 15 23:46:52 :) May 15 23:47:21 i wish nokia would figure out what the hell it wants to do.. either support maemo or get this meego crap going on something May 15 23:47:28 blame Stskeeps May 15 23:47:37 likewise May 15 23:48:04 maybe everybody should just take a step backwards and go back to symbian May 15 23:48:05 haha May 15 23:48:19 i just hope they dont try to drop the n900 for some new handset anytime soon May 15 23:48:25 i doubt they will May 15 23:48:30 eww symbian May 15 23:48:33 but then again they have 2 flagship lines May 15 23:48:43 i hated it on my n97 May 15 23:48:45 the n9x running symbian and the n900 running maemo May 15 23:48:52 yeah. symbian is dated May 15 23:48:54 it worked well enough though May 15 23:49:04 which is silly, should use maemo for it all May 15 23:49:14 symbian is a dead horse May 15 23:49:22 well. nokia can see the potential but they need to figure out what they want to do May 15 23:49:29 jump on the bandwagon with intel with this meego junk May 15 23:49:35 or fully support their maemo May 15 23:49:55 the problem with nokia is they are trying to be too much like google with android than to get the ball rolling May 15 23:50:20 trying to figure out the politics and marketing rather than spend the resources in making maemo better May 15 23:50:30 :) May 15 23:50:35 i wanna try android on my n900 but the guy who hacked it on his has kept it all to himself akaik May 15 23:50:49 *afaik May 15 23:50:53 blame Stskeeps ... he is the reason we don't have a portrait "desktop" on an n900 May 15 23:50:56 :) May 15 23:51:06 lol May 15 23:51:52 whats the name of that app to help you neatly arrange your desktops? May 15 23:55:12 k, forget the +r suggestion. Spammer is supposed to be killed for good, says freenode-staff May 15 23:55:45 has anyone tried running gcc etc directly on the n900 itself? May 15 23:56:47 yes May 15 23:57:30 work well? May 15 23:57:41 prolly May 15 23:58:18 why should it fail? May 15 23:59:02 no reason. is it optified? May 15 23:59:10 lol May 15 23:59:50 e.g. include May 16 00:00:35 I guess you'll need chroot to create a decent environment for it May 16 00:01:00 kk May 16 00:01:55 * DocScrutinizer thinks screwit and heads out for a small beer May 16 00:02:44 skoal, DocScrutinizer May 16 00:03:51 sounds like a plan May 16 00:04:58 is davidfalkayn here by any chance? May 16 00:28:19 weird, my drnoksnes has no sound... May 16 00:53:26 oh, that was embarrassing... my phone was in the silent profile... May 16 00:58:51 good morning May 16 01:17:46 hello May 16 01:18:19 i need some help with my apple wireless keyboard May 16 01:18:25 and N810 May 16 01:18:58 someone here? May 16 01:19:23 no. May 16 01:20:29 there is a bug in the maemo distribution. When i delete a bluetooth profile a new profile with the same device can not recreated May 16 01:21:59 can someone tell me where maemo stores the settings for bluetooth devices? May 16 01:30:24 all sleeping? May 16 01:31:18 Golua: Most here are only familiar with the n900 May 16 01:31:32 You've checked the wiki, and bugs I assume? May 16 01:32:57 of course May 16 01:33:35 from software side there is not much difference between n810 & n900. Both are running maemo. The dont change much in vesion May 16 01:34:22 I know. May 16 01:34:29 It's also usually quite a dead time May 16 01:34:29 i need to know where the device stores all the bluetooth config. This GUI crap doesnt help. so i need to fix it under the hood with the console and vi May 16 01:35:01 i searched in /etc but found nothing about bt deviced that have paired before May 16 01:35:02 I note /etc/bluetooth on my n900 isn't empty May 16 01:35:11 I'd look in gconf May 16 01:35:31 there are no device related configs in /etc/bluetooth May 16 01:35:48 with device i mean the device that have paired before May 16 01:36:12 how do i run gconf on mameo? May 16 01:36:20 it says: not found May 16 01:43:34 well - it must be there - as n810 and n900 have not much difference :) May 16 01:43:37 Sorry - no clue May 16 01:43:56 "find / -name gconf 2> /dev/null" May 16 01:47:35 i have another problem. Can someone tell me why the ssh session with the n810 device allways looses conection? sshd is running on n810 May 16 01:48:53 loses. May 16 01:49:03 Someone mentioned before something about network timeouts... May 16 01:49:27 yes, it's rather anoying. I want have a stable ssh session. May 16 01:49:28 I'm sorry, I don't remember the full details, but it had something to do with making the device not drop the connection immediately every time May 16 01:50:07 i allready set the wlan connection to infinite. May 16 01:51:32 and can you tell me why there is no nano and tree package in maemo extra? Those tools are so usefull. Especially "tree" for finding something or getting an overview about this gconf crap May 16 01:54:14 because someone ddiddn't add it May 16 01:57:29 it's a shame that nokia doesn't install that by default May 16 01:59:32 There is so much 'it would be nice' - the only sane way to deal with it is to only install the absolute bare minimum. May 16 02:01:31 the device has plenty of ram (2 GB on the inner flash) to install the important unix tools. They should have put the system in the 2gb flash and not on this 256 MB flash May 16 02:03:35 what happens when i delete all .osso directorys in the home directory? Will the device use default settings? May 16 02:11:29 DocScrutinizer, pong? May 16 02:11:35 what's this file for: /etc/pointercal May 16 02:11:39 DocScrutinizer, we're working on the device queue issue. May 16 02:14:45 GeneralAntilles: Is there any stock of partially functioning devices? May 16 02:14:54 SpeedEvil, don't think so. May 16 02:15:07 Idly wondered. May 16 02:15:18 I know Quim's been replacing loaners that have broken in various ways May 16 02:15:27 You may poke him to see if there's a way to get those loaned out again. May 16 02:22:20 DocScrutinizer && SpeedEvil, found out the issue to that mass storage device problem.. seems more like user error :) the device works perfectly under xubuntu jaunty so its just an issue of getting arch to work with it. As for USB networking with sshfs it will cause fremantle to reboot when transferring excessive amounts of data May 16 02:22:59 :) May 16 02:24:33 I have lost track of the status of the autobuilder vis a vis pr1.2. If I upload a new version of a package to the autobuilder, will it produce a binary which can only be run on tablets with pr1.2 installed? May 16 02:25:34 now all I'll need to do is to painstakingly setup my maemo to be a pmp (replacing ipod video in some ways, mainly music and what not) and to setup the playlists. Not too happy so far with maemo's weird ways of organising music but heck I'll have to put up with the challenge if needed be May 16 02:34:55 hi everybody... i'm making my first steps on the n900 and was hoping to find some hints about boot scripts. May 16 02:35:12 hi there May 16 02:35:24 i have to dm-crypt partitions which i want to load at boot time and require me to enter a password May 16 02:36:01 anybody here has the final pr1.2 for n900 ? May 16 02:36:27 my scripts get executed through upstart but still i never get any passwort prompt. they're probably sent to the background - that's what upstart is all about, isn't it? May 16 02:36:53 wirr: what are you talking about? May 16 02:37:13 his scripts ask for input, but that doesn't come from console. May 16 02:38:37 looook May 16 02:38:39 gagaga May 16 02:38:40 [22:37] where can i find pr1.2? [22:37] pr1.2 is probably not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. May 16 02:39:05 wirr: Normally there is no framebuffer May 16 02:39:11 wirr: framebuffer console May 16 02:39:20 you need to wait till X comes up May 16 02:39:21 SpeedEvil: I do run a framebuffer enabled kernel May 16 02:39:24 k May 16 02:39:50 wirr: what are you trying to acheve? May 16 02:40:06 The console just doesn't seem to get interrupted by the passwort prompt... May 16 02:40:27 DaGame: Mount some encrypted partitions at boot time May 16 02:40:28 I mean what kind of program are you writing that needs to inject at so early stage of booting May 16 02:40:38 cant you just wait till the system is up? May 16 02:40:40 um, is console even connected to input? May 16 02:41:05 you're encrypting your boot drive? May 16 02:41:32 DaGame: nope - one has to get mounted on /home May 16 02:42:12 ManoftheSea: that would be my wish but so far I'm happy when I get to encrypt /home to protect calendar data and such May 16 02:42:54 wirr: and you need the user to be able to input the password ? May 16 02:43:05 DaGame: yes May 16 02:43:54 wirr: I am no expert in that but you may need to recompile the kernel May 16 02:45:03 DaGame: I already use a custom kernel which gives me a framebuffer console. The problem is that the boot process doesn't get interrupted to allow me to enter the password May 16 02:46:57 is the partition defined in /etc/fstab May 16 02:48:38 yes May 16 02:49:33 look i am really no expert, but taking a look in /etc/rc*.d may give you some ideas May 16 02:50:12 DaGame: thanks... unfortunately there seem to be no interactive scripts. so no hints on how to attach the console unfortunately. May 16 02:50:14 :-( May 16 02:51:11 what happens if you do init=/bin/sh May 16 02:51:34 what is the problem of leting the system to bood and then show nice password prompt ? May 16 02:51:50 if password is correct the partition is mounted on the the fly May 16 02:53:58 DaGame: no real problem May 16 02:54:07 DaGame: but that may be more invasive May 16 02:54:37 then put a shell script in rc0.d May 16 02:54:50 correct password go ahead, wrong password shutdown May 16 02:55:00 i fear that several processes already use /home in an early state - so if i wait for the system to boot i will already loose runtime info May 16 02:55:16 (some first tests showed the contacts app crashing) May 16 02:55:44 wirr: I assume you have tried putting something in /etc/X11/Xsession.post ? May 16 02:56:04 lose. May 16 02:56:39 SpeedEvil: nope but /home has to be mounted earlier May 16 02:57:52 I was under the impression that all the stuff up to X ran as root, and X and children as user May 16 02:58:39 hey guys... leave this stuff May 16 02:58:49 SpeedEvil: i'll give it a try May 16 02:58:55 lets talk about pr1.2 and how it will affect the global warming May 16 02:59:50 cool I am back :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 16 02:59:57 2010