**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 20 03:00:03 2010
May 20 03:03:19 <iluminator101> hey where is the skype key pad in n900
May 20 03:03:29 <iluminator101> i mean number pad?
May 20 03:04:11 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, talked to Javier and the council.
May 20 03:04:16 <GeneralAntilles> Haven't poked Quim yet.
May 20 03:04:41 <DocScrutinizer51> GeneralAntilles: yeah, nice
May 20 03:05:46 <DocScrutinizer51> Ikarus[N900]: maybe restarting one of the daemons might do the trick
May 20 03:06:22 <Ikarus[N900]> which one ? :)
May 20 03:07:33 <DocScrutinizer51> sorry
May 20 03:07:54 <DocScrutinizer51> ps ax and guess&try
May 20 03:10:24 <DocScrutinizer51> probably the process with high cpu usage during playback ;-D
May 20 03:13:31 <Ikarus|rx51> guess that just caused the watchdog to kick in
May 20 03:15:39 <dafmobs> hi all
May 20 03:17:51 <dafmobs> ive recent
May 20 03:17:52 <dafmobs> ly
May 20 03:18:23 <dafmobs> purchased an n900 and need some assistance on gps
May 20 03:18:31 <luke-jr> lol
May 20 03:19:06 <dafmobs> i know theres no turn by turn but does ovi support drive view at all?
May 20 03:20:59 <dafmobs> ill take that as a no?
May 20 03:21:11 <DocScrutinizer51> Ikarus: a lot of those daemons are started via dsme with reboot-on-process-end option
May 20 03:21:35 <dafmobs> also does anyone here use sip?
May 20 03:22:06 <DocScrutinizer51> sip works flawlessly
May 20 03:22:12 <iluminator101> can you use video lan player on maemo
May 20 03:22:28 <DocScrutinizer51> for me
May 20 03:22:48 <dafmobs> yeah voice is crystal clear and i havent had any issues there. video sip is where im having trouble
May 20 03:23:24 <dafmobs> checked codecs etc and my phone freezes when i try to vc through sip
May 20 03:23:27 <iluminator101> how do i play .wmv in n900 mplayer + kmplayer?
May 20 03:23:28 <DocScrutinizer51> afaik it@will come with next major OS update
May 20 03:23:32 <GeneralAntilles> Ovi idiots finally saw the light
May 20 03:23:33 <GeneralAntilles> 5 stars
May 20 03:23:42 <GeneralAntilles> Whoever thought up a 3 star ratting system should've been fired.
May 20 03:24:36 <GeneralAntilles> Holy shit they actually fixed more of my user guide bugs.
May 20 03:25:26 <DocScrutinizer51> GeneralAntilles: xmas
May 20 03:25:48 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer51, man, this Christmas sucks. :P
May 20 03:26:43 <iluminator101> how do i play .wmv in n900?
May 20 03:27:44 <dafmobs> @iluminator1 not sure mate. thats why im asking. cant find info anywhere
May 20 03:32:29 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders what happened to our ovi devel user here in this chan
May 20 03:32:33 <GAN900> What should I be using for todo lists?
May 20 03:33:21 <GAN900> I find myself making lists in Notes
May 20 03:33:27 <GAN900> Which is clearly subpar
May 20 03:34:12 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm
May 20 03:39:48 <DocScrutinizer51> considering a todolist is a collection of tasks, each of which can have a link to a time schedule (calendar) and/or a contact (call phone) or both (birthday) -... I again come back to my idea of a generic pda object containing all those properties (plus a few more, like alarm/cron like start of arbitrarz executable, managing profiles, checking (environmental) conditions, etc)
May 20 03:40:17 <iluminator101> how do reach .n900 folder form xterminal?
May 20 03:42:55 <DocScrutinizer51> pda object managing & maintaining entity & supervisor == pommes
May 20 03:44:52 <luke-jr> wasted all day hacking gps5300driver up to work with mainline GPIO exporting
May 20 03:45:02 * luke-jr growls at Nokia
May 20 03:45:24 <luke-jr> also, "work" doesn't mean work. it means "works in theory, but not practice; something else is still wrong"
May 20 03:46:43 <iluminator101> i am trying acces videos folder from terminal can someone please help me
May 20 03:46:55 <luke-jr> iluminator101: look for a hidden directory
May 20 03:46:57 <luke-jr> under MyDocs
May 20 03:47:06 <luke-jr> Maemo does retarded crap like that -.-
May 20 03:47:18 <luke-jr> make yourself a symlink if you want
May 20 03:48:08 <DocScrutinizer51> like ~user/MyDocs/.video
May 20 03:48:23 <DocScrutinizer51> or .dcim
May 20 03:48:28 <DocScrutinizer51> or whatever
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 20 03:51:34 2010
May 20 04:43:58 <talonz> hi guys has anyone had any luck mounting nfs4 shares on the n900 ?
May 20 05:53:31 <fipu> vanad1s !
May 20 06:06:51 * pupnik places a pot of coffee on the table
May 20 06:14:27 <pupnik> "You can't install it at the moment because the autobuilder makes it dependent on stuff only installed on 1.2"
May 20 06:14:53 <Ikarus[N900]> pupnik: life is fun isn't it
May 20 06:15:07 <pupnik> that is looney-tunes
May 20 06:16:11 <Ikarus[N900]> otoh given we have most of the sdk I am tempted to just build all the open packages for pr1.2 and installing those
May 20 06:16:40 <pupnik> it's not much -
May 20 06:16:57 <pupnik> just some qt packages
May 20 06:17:14 <pupnik> does someone have a heroin problem in need of treatment?
May 20 06:17:25 <pupnik> does someone need to get fired here?
May 20 06:20:01 <xim_> im learning maemo, my n900 sortof froze while i was downloading some map data, im poking around, curious to see if I can bring it back through the shell, its just the display thats not running apparently, I'm SSHed into the shell, any ideas how to troubleshoot it or bring it back?  maybe some processes to kill and restart?
May 20 06:23:59 <Ikarus[N900]> xim_: doubt it, odd that the watchdog hasn't acted though
May 20 06:24:37 <Ikarus[N900]> okay, open 3.5G connections blow through battery power
May 20 06:25:13 <xim_> interesting so the display process has a watchdog timer?
May 20 06:25:14 <Ikarus[N900]> anyone know if GPRS uses less ? (actually doubt it given tht the radio slots are longer)
May 20 06:25:38 <Ikarus[N900]> xim_: just about every core process does it seems
May 20 06:25:59 <Ikarus[N900]> though I am not sure if X itself is checked
May 20 06:26:17 <Ikarus[N900]> killing X though triggers a reboor
May 20 06:26:20 <Ikarus[N900]> reboot
May 20 06:26:27 <xim_> i feel like i'm on the brink of bringing it back, you know, it vibrates when i open or close it
May 20 06:26:39 <xim_> ah ok, i might end up doing that for lack of other options
May 20 06:27:11 <Ikarus[N900]> try ps aux to see what is running, perhaps some app is causing swap trash
May 20 06:27:21 <Ikarus[N900]> which kills interactiviteit
May 20 06:27:38 * Ikarus[N900] switches dictionaries
May 20 06:27:49 <pupnik> we can read typo
May 20 06:28:22 <Ikarus[N900]> (hrm and need to file a bugreport, the dictionary switchng doesn't tell you to which language)
May 20 06:29:21 <xim_> yeah i have htop running actually, only using 112 swp
May 20 06:29:47 <xim_> so i reboots if you kill x but doesnt notice if x dies?
May 20 06:30:04 <xim_> or maybe x isnt dead, its just not responding to my wakeup-switches
May 20 06:30:25 <xim_> i can always reboot i just figured this was an excuse to learn a bit
May 20 06:31:31 <Ikarus[N900]> x is just highly unresponsive in your case
May 20 06:39:47 <pupnik> xim_: good attitude
May 20 06:44:25 <Ikarus[N900]> *poof* low power
May 20 06:44:44 <Ikarus[N900]> from just some IRCing the last two hours
May 20 06:45:16 <inz> Ikarus, don't IRC so powerfully
May 20 06:45:28 <Ikarus[N900]> hehehe
May 20 06:45:44 <Ikarus[N900]> need to get a new microUSB cable
May 20 06:46:14 * Ikarus[N900] has a little 4500 mAh battery pack 
May 20 06:46:28 <xim_> i wonder what new USB format they will make everyone buy next year
May 20 06:47:17 <Ikarus[N900]> xim_: well micro fixed an actual issue with mini
May 20 06:47:30 <xim_> orly?
May 20 06:47:34 <Ikarus[N900]> the springs on mini are on the device
May 20 06:47:47 <Ikarus[N900]> with micro they are on the cable
May 20 06:48:38 <xim_> hmm, just checked, never noticed there even were springs
May 20 06:49:34 <pupnik> Ikarus[N900]: your cell provider may use outdated tech that does not support powersaving tech
May 20 06:49:43 <pupnik> i can keep irssi running about 5 hours
May 20 07:09:37 <mece> halp! What is up with the python module itertools?
May 20 07:09:57 <mece> i get no complaints on import itertools, but I can't get any of the functions to work..
May 20 07:14:36 <Funnyface> "you're doing something wrong" that's all I can tell :\ but I guess that doesn't help you a lot
May 20 07:15:10 <mece> hee
May 20 07:15:11 <mece> thanks
May 20 07:20:11 <goshawk> hi
May 20 07:20:50 <goshawk> i'm using vim on n900 and when i try to write any vim command (:w for example) i get a capital M in the editor and the command is of course not executed, does anybody know why?
May 20 07:21:24 <pupnik>  /usr/bin/vi ?
May 20 07:22:03 <goshawk> i think it's vim.. i've installed it from repos
May 20 07:22:19 <goshawk> wait let me open a shell and verify
May 20 07:23:11 <goshawk> /usr/bin/vim
May 20 07:23:47 <goshawk> nevermind
May 20 07:23:53 <goshawk> it's not a n900 problem
May 20 07:23:57 <goshawk> it's a screen problem
May 20 07:24:03 <goshawk> i've tested it out right now
May 20 07:24:28 <goshawk> it happens when you access to a remote server and run vim under screen (o byobu)
May 20 07:24:32 <pupnik> try ctrl-m instead of enter
May 20 07:24:40 <pupnik> oh nm
May 20 07:25:05 <goshawk> wait i'm trying to reproduce
May 20 07:25:55 <goshawk> hi larsivi
May 20 07:26:32 <larsivi> goshawk: hi :)
May 20 07:27:11 <edheldil> pupnik:  actually it's a known problem in keymap, I have reported it months ago
May 20 07:28:11 <xim_> my n900's Xorg is not responding, when i view the process in ps it shows STAT: D "uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)" which sortof makes since since it crashed while downloading data.  any idea how to bring this back
May 20 07:28:36 <goshawk> pupnik: thansk
May 20 07:28:43 <goshawk> with enter i get a capital M
May 20 07:28:55 <goshawk> but with CTRL+m it works :D
May 20 07:29:36 * pupnik shows bicep
May 20 07:33:50 <pupnik> or apply this to your .screenrc goshawk   bindkey -a -k fe stuff ^M
May 20 07:34:13 <goshawk> thanks pupnik
May 20 07:34:43 <eikkka> hi, does anyone know how i can get jabber to re-fetch my jabber contacts? i have one contact that's missing jabber
May 20 07:35:21 <eikkka> on n900 ofc, and using jabber for facebook
May 20 07:38:47 <goshawk> pupnik: do you know also how to send Fx commands from n900 bash3 ?
May 20 07:41:19 <pupnik> what?
May 20 07:41:22 <pupnik> no
May 20 07:41:25 <summel> sdk repository is still broken for me... "W: Couldn't stat source package list (...) (/var/lib/apt/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_(...)_nokia-binaries_binary-armel_Packages) -stat (2 No such file or directory)
May 20 07:41:27 <summel> :(
May 20 07:41:38 <Stskeeps> apt-get update it?
May 20 07:41:39 <Stskeeps> :P
May 20 07:41:53 <summel> Stskeeps: thats the error i get when i run apt-get update
May 20 07:41:54 <summel> -_-
May 20 07:41:58 <Stskeeps> ah
May 20 07:42:06 <Stskeeps> check /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf
May 20 07:42:15 <goshawk> Fx as F[1-9]
May 20 07:42:49 <summel> Stskeeps: normal web works fine with firefox and wget and stuff :(
May 20 07:42:58 <summel> i can also browse the repository in the browser
May 20 07:43:05 <Stskeeps> summel: yes, but inside sb?
May 20 07:43:06 <eikkka> does anyone here use jabber for facebook chat? :(
May 20 07:43:30 <summel> Stskeeps: ewwww that file is soooo wrong....
May 20 07:43:40 <summel> its from when i set up scratchbox oO
May 20 07:43:41 <plastun> what happened with maemo.org website?
May 20 07:43:45 <Stskeeps> summel: exactly
May 20 07:43:45 <Stskeeps> :P
May 20 07:44:03 <summel> which does make no sense at all because im on a laptop in 5 different wifi networks with dhcp and stuff
May 20 07:44:07 <summel> *ARGH*
May 20 07:44:16 * summel wants to shoot some developers
May 20 07:45:44 <summel> why isnt /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf a link to /etc/resolv.conf? oO
May 20 07:46:02 <pupnik> because of ubuntu, iirc
May 20 07:46:03 <Stskeeps> nfi
May 20 07:46:04 <Stskeeps> :P
May 20 07:55:08 <summel> do i have to export DISPLAY=:2 in the SDK only once or every time i start the VM/SDK?
May 20 07:57:28 <hrw> on every sdk start
May 20 07:57:42 <hrw> if you plan to use UI apps
May 20 07:57:49 <summel> ok
May 20 07:57:57 <hrw> but if you use sdk only to build then you do not have to
May 20 07:58:18 <summel> oh its already in the .bashrc
May 20 07:58:26 <RST38h> moorning, hrw, sts
May 20 08:03:09 <alterego> Cool, that worked really well. (I'm writing a web interface to the N900) just prototyped the image gallery :)
May 20 08:12:26 <RST38h> alterego: have a URL to try? =)
May 20 08:12:56 <alterego> RST38h: Not with my pictures :P
May 20 08:13:05 <alterego> http://192.168.2.15:7800/images
May 20 08:13:07 <alterego> :)
May 20 08:13:14 <alterego> It works really well.
May 20 08:13:52 <alterego> Gonna enter it into the programming comp, next I'm going to add contacts management, calendar and messaging.
May 20 08:14:05 <alterego> I'm also going to have a system status and information page for us geeks ^.^
May 20 08:14:12 <Funnyface> we can't access your LAN IP btw :>
May 20 08:14:29 <alterego> Funnyface: I know, that's the point :P
May 20 08:14:38 <RST38h> alterego: yea, 192.168.* is gonna be a bit of a problem to access =)
May 20 08:14:39 <Funnyface> ah oki :p
May 20 08:15:01 <alterego> I'd proxy it out via ssh, but I don't want you looking at all my pictures :P
May 20 08:15:28 <frals> screenshots are awesome i heard
May 20 08:15:29 <goshawk> alterego: or use ipv6 to have a public ip
May 20 08:15:46 <alterego> fine, I'll do a screenshot.
May 20 08:15:55 <alterego> It doesn't look pretty, literally five minutes work
May 20 08:16:01 <alterego> Infact, it looks awful.
May 20 08:16:03 <alterego> :P
May 20 08:16:05 <alterego> But it works
May 20 08:16:08 <RST38h> heh\
May 20 08:16:10 <goshawk> screenshot ---> imageshack
May 20 08:16:20 <RST38h> tmo is down again
May 20 08:16:27 <RST38h> wtf is going on, anyway?
May 20 08:16:49 <frals> RST38h: WORKSFORME
May 20 08:17:23 <RST38h> worksforme but only 10% of time nowadays
May 20 08:18:44 <eikkka> uh... i deleted a jabber fb contact and now the person isnt on facebook at all
May 20 08:18:55 <RST38h> "Ninjas Save Man From Being Mugged and Beaten"
May 20 08:18:58 <eikkka> is that even remotely possible
May 20 08:19:29 <RST38h> yes, it is remotely possible to remove all your private data from Facebook, but it is difficult and requires a legal team
May 20 08:19:43 <alterego> Here you go, this is the crap list view: http://alterego.metapath.org/images/n900-images-v0.0.0.1.png
May 20 08:19:48 <frals> id imagine that deleting a contact from the facebook jabber removes it from your facebook "site" as well
May 20 08:20:01 <alterego> You click on the thumb and it shows you the full image, simples :)
May 20 08:20:05 <eikkka> my friend couldnt find the person either
May 20 08:20:20 <RST38h> alterego: Not bad, although I would go for a table
May 20 08:20:51 <eikkka> its like he was erased :V
May 20 08:20:56 <alterego> RST38h: like I said, it's ugly, I just want to get it to present the data, I'll work on styling it and the templates when I've got the "core" functionality sorted.
May 20 08:21:07 <alterego> eikkka: you deleted the internet?!
May 20 08:21:17 <eikkka> i hope i didnt :(
May 20 08:22:21 <tybollt_> facebook chat == jabber?
May 20 08:22:23 <tybollt_> wtf :)
May 20 08:22:26 <Stskeeps> it is
May 20 08:22:31 <tybollt_> heh
May 20 08:22:40 <eikkka> i tried googling the persons fb profile and it says the ppage was not found or has expired
May 20 08:22:51 <RST38h> alterego: don't forget the contacts and stuff =)
May 20 08:23:01 <RST38h> alterego: would be very col when it is done
May 20 08:23:14 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: all this time I discarded FB as BS and everything that came w/ it as bloat BS... guess that teaches me a lesson :)
May 20 08:23:20 <eikkka> pretty minsblowing that i deletedc a person from the internet with a n900
May 20 08:23:29 * tybollt_ <3 jabber
May 20 08:23:34 <eikkka> mind*
May 20 08:23:51 <tybollt_> eikkka: zOMG! Did he dies?!?
May 20 08:24:10 <eikkka> didnt answer the phone :(
May 20 08:24:13 <tybollt_> You likes killedz him!?
May 20 08:25:14 <marmoute> Facebook bot will find and execute him (as he can not provide a valid identity anymore)
May 20 08:27:50 <millenomi> announcement repeat from yesterday: I'm working at a small cross-platform library for porting stuff: http://github.com/millenomi/argyle
May 20 08:28:01 <millenomi> since this CET morning, it also builds on Maemo
May 20 08:28:44 <millenomi> example: http://drp.ly/1207ep + http://drp.ly/12bH60 <--- same unit test code + execution right running on Android and iPhone.
May 20 08:28:53 <millenomi> er, 'execution RIG'.
May 20 08:29:07 <millenomi> (no UI stuff in the library; not a believer in cross-platform UIs.)
May 20 08:29:20 <millenomi> end of announcement.
May 20 08:36:57 <millenomi> (ah, forgot: binary builds at http://infinite-labs.net/experiments/#platform-core )
May 20 08:37:46 <pupnik> of what
May 20 08:37:55 <millenomi> see scrollback.
May 20 08:38:25 <pupnik> oop ty
May 20 08:43:24 <pupnik> millenomi: so the library is meant to allow development for maemo + android?
May 20 08:43:47 <millenomi> actually to port my model/controller layer to as many platforms as possible
May 20 08:44:05 <millenomi> my next target is webOS, but I do want to have a Maemo port eventually
May 20 08:44:11 <millenomi> (don't have the phone :) )
May 20 08:48:40 <plastun> how to remove title bar in hildon.Dialog?
May 20 08:49:29 <alterego> RST38h: Yeah, plan on contacts, calendar, images, messaging and system information support.
May 20 08:49:38 <alterego> RST38h: Might integrate in googlemaps :x
May 20 08:51:09 <tybollt_> does anyone have qemu running on the n900?
May 20 08:51:37 <summel> ON? oO
May 20 08:51:44 <summel> i think its a bit slow for that
May 20 08:51:45 <summel> :o
May 20 08:51:49 <pupnik> yes some people do
May 20 08:51:56 <summel> omg
May 20 08:52:12 <RST38h> why not?
May 20 08:52:15 <summel> qemu is already soooo slow on my mbp.... i'd rather use virtualbox :P
May 20 08:52:42 <summel> qemu took 3 hours to install a f*in ubuntu....
May 20 08:52:49 <summel> virtualbox about 30 minutes :P
May 20 08:56:37 <RST38h> do not install ubuntu on qemu guest then
May 20 08:56:43 <summel> :P
May 20 08:56:50 <RST38h> every tool has its applications
May 20 08:56:51 <summel> no i use virtualbox now
May 20 08:57:07 <millenomi> "it hurts when I touch it, doctor!" "then stop touching it" :)
May 20 08:57:17 <summel> :D
May 20 08:57:17 <millenomi> ok, ok, back to lurking.
May 20 08:57:21 <tybollt_> RST38h++
May 20 08:58:11 <summel> does checkinstall work in the sdk to make a package? :o
May 20 09:19:49 <alterego> calendar support might have to be dropped for a while :/
May 20 09:20:57 <Corsac> ?
May 20 09:21:12 <alterego> For my N900 web iface
May 20 09:23:33 <summel> do i have to move my binary out of the MyDocs folder to give it +x? oO
May 20 09:24:36 <alterego> summel: Yes, MyDocs is a mounted fat32 partition
May 20 09:25:05 <summel> alterego: where would be the right place? :)
May 20 09:25:14 <alterego> Well, you can stick it in /home/user
May 20 09:25:19 <alterego> That's ext3
May 20 09:25:37 <summel> is there enough space?
May 20 09:26:03 <alterego> Well, it's about 2G in size
May 20 09:26:06 <alterego> So, maybe
May 20 09:26:13 <summel> ok :)
May 20 09:26:56 <talonz> does anyone know if a nfs4 server is mountable on the n900 ?
May 20 09:27:30 <frals> think you have to install nfs kernmodule for it but should be
May 20 09:29:36 <talonz> k thanks frals
May 20 09:34:48 <makulkar> in browser npplugin context, im using xevent.window to pass to gstreamer to render camera content. But i get 10091|X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
May 20 09:34:48 <makulkar>   Major opcode: 3 (X_GetWindowAttributes)
May 20 09:34:48 <makulkar>   Resource id:  0x2a00187. Any help?
May 20 09:34:53 <summel> yay
May 20 09:34:55 <summel> it workssss
May 20 09:44:47 <Khertan> Hi !
May 20 09:44:51 <Stskeeps> lo Khertan
May 20 09:45:46 <pupnik_> seldom seen khertan
May 20 09:46:23 * Khertan is just falling back from kde to gnome ...
May 20 09:46:28 * Khertan didn't like kde
May 20 09:46:39 <MohammadAG> GNOME FTW :p
May 20 09:46:49 <Corsac> Ghertan :)
May 20 09:46:51 <Corsac> Xfce ftw!
May 20 09:46:54 <Khertan> :)
May 20 09:47:07 <MohammadAG> tty1 ftw
May 20 09:48:06 <Khertan> hum gitorious is down again ?
May 20 09:50:39 <Khertan> https://www.ohloh.net/p/khteditor/factoids/3143288 <<< ouch
May 20 09:51:24 <lcuk> lol Khertan
May 20 09:51:44 <lcuk> # you must comment more
May 20 09:52:07 <Khertan> and must comment are just useless code put in comment :)
May 20 09:52:10 <wazd> "Canola  it's the application with the most downloads for N8x0." - that's a lie, obviously
May 20 09:52:26 <Khertan> wazd, of course
May 20 09:52:27 <Khertan> :)
May 20 09:52:35 <wazd> Khertan: :P
May 20 09:53:35 <Khertan> hum ... cofee and then a try to made khteditor working with pyside ... i hope i ll be able with it to made scrollable qtextedit :)
May 20 09:54:08 <wazd> btw, I've tested n900 gps yesterday, does anyone has strange bug in Mapper when the path is jumping around the map?
May 20 09:56:06 * Khertan has never try Mapper on n900
May 20 09:56:12 <X-Fade> Sigh, selinux dependencies are a pain :(
May 20 09:56:12 <summel> where are the .desktop files for the applications again? :o
May 20 09:56:36 <Khertan> summel, /usr/share/application/hildon/
May 20 09:56:39 <Khertan> summel, /usr/share/applications/hildon/
May 20 09:56:48 <summel> thx
May 20 09:57:06 <lcuk> X-Fade, life.  i think everyone gets that feeling when grabbing a different project
May 20 09:57:38 <X-Fade> lcuk: All I want is util-linux to get rid of busybox in OBS :)
May 20 09:57:51 * Khertan blame older dev of one of project i should evolv at work ... pylint score : -27.10
May 20 10:03:44 <pupnik_> X-Fade: if we can assume more space on next devices, then yes, goodbye busybox.  For e.g. the time command is totally gimped.
May 20 10:04:17 <X-Fade> pupnik_: fighting with getopt atm, which is also ....
May 20 10:06:47 <pupnik_> The corresponding standard utilities that BusyBox replaces occupy about 1.5MB of disk space in a standard Linux system. The BusyBox program uses only 260KB of disk space"  http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4238
May 20 10:06:54 <SpeedEvil> Busybox saves - as a ballpark - 10 meg of RAM. at boot.
May 20 10:07:22 <SpeedEvil> If you start two copies of the busybox shell, the second uses an additional 50K or so.
May 20 10:07:24 <pupnik_> ahh the article is old
May 20 10:07:42 <SpeedEvil> If you start two copies of bash, the second used an additional meg ish.
May 20 10:08:23 <Khertan> hum ... QWidget didn't have fontMetrics methods with PySide bindings
May 20 10:08:47 <SpeedEvil> busybox also starts all binaries it contains faster.
May 20 10:08:55 <SpeedEvil> As they are already generally in RAM.
May 20 10:09:28 <SpeedEvil> For scripts, it's pretty much a straight win. (minus some minor annoyances on inconsistencies with standard utilities.
May 20 10:19:57 <pupnik_> busybox echo seems to have no echo -n  or "\c" support
May 20 10:20:44 <SpeedEvil> Yes - I'm not arguing that busybox is good for interactive.
May 20 10:21:14 <SpeedEvil> Just that it's good for non-interactive scripts, and shaves several seconds off boot.
May 20 10:22:29 <pupnik_> well we do like that
May 20 10:24:59 <wazd> omg, breaking news! Cyborgs are working at Nokia! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCsuhaDcmdA Blinking script gone mad :)
May 20 10:27:07 <alterego> Can get some interesting statistics from the rtcom-eventlogger database.
May 20 10:27:12 <visz> he's morse coding 'please help me'
May 20 10:29:14 <pupnik_> the ideas are quite high level
May 20 10:29:39 <tybollt_> hmm
May 20 10:29:41 <tybollt_> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/05/google-opens-vp8-codec-aims-to-nuke-h264-with-webm.ars
May 20 10:29:44 <tybollt_> \o/
May 20 10:29:45 * tybollt_ dance
May 20 10:29:53 <alterego> Those ideas aren't new
May 20 10:29:59 <alterego> I've been thining the same for years.
May 20 10:30:04 <alterego> ~thinking ...
May 20 10:33:39 <alterego> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5VG4rjPzrY&NR=1
May 20 10:33:44 <alterego> That one is pretty lame ... :D
May 20 10:35:17 <Apaksi> hi. does somebody know why i'm getting this error: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/.../nokia-binaries/o/opengles-sgx-img/opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_0.20091104.30+0m5_armel.deb Size mismatch
May 20 10:35:21 <Apaksi> when i'm trying to install the package opengles-sgx-img-common-dev
May 20 10:35:46 <Apaksi> to sratchbox
May 20 10:36:39 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: does anyone care about boot time on a device that's supposed to be always on?
May 20 10:37:06 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: yes.
May 20 10:37:09 <satmd> yes
May 20 10:37:16 <Shapeshifter> why?
May 20 10:37:17 <SpeedEvil> Plus - it's also a case of RAM footprint.
May 20 10:37:43 <satmd> it's just not the same priority as on desktops
May 20 10:38:01 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: Put it another way. Why should 99.9% of users wait another 5 seconds for the .1% of users that care than sh!=bash?
May 20 10:38:02 <satmd> yet not neglegtible
May 20 10:38:27 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: valid argument.
May 20 10:38:49 <SpeedEvil> Especially when those users that care can install bash and friends for interactive use.
May 20 10:40:20 <viliny_> yay tybollt_ , thats the most promising thing i'we read this year :)
May 20 10:40:46 <smoku> why bother with sh for startup scripts anyway?
May 20 10:41:11 <pupnik_> why viliny_
May 20 10:41:25 <SpeedEvil> smoku: It is considerably less opaque and more easily changable than one big binary /bin/init
May 20 10:41:31 <pupnik_> why doesnt google get behind something existing and open
May 20 10:41:50 <viliny_> pupnik_: idunno, seems like a genuinely good thing has a very real chance of becoming reality
May 20 10:42:06 <smoku> SpeedEvil: there are tons of small scripting languages that could be embedded in upstart
May 20 10:42:08 <pupnik_> i guess maybe we can be hopeful
May 20 10:42:47 <viliny_> pupnik_: usually things in the world feel like unchangeable lumps of s###
May 20 10:42:53 <SpeedEvil> smoku: Sure.
May 20 10:43:01 <smoku> pupnik_: because they want total control
May 20 10:43:05 <SpeedEvil> smoku: Shell is not the worst of them.
May 20 10:43:34 <SpeedEvil> smoku: busybox + shell scripts is pretty much an interpreter.
May 20 10:43:47 <SpeedEvil> A bad interpreter, but an interpreter still.
May 20 10:44:43 <Shapeshifter> oh nice. ruskie made a zsh package. hooray
May 20 10:44:48 <smoku> SpeedEvil: the problem is that shell needs to fork a lot of processes to do something usefull. i know that in case of busybox the code is already in memory, and this is also unix philosophy, but nevertheless i see it a problem.
May 20 10:45:39 <SpeedEvil> smoku: yes, I agree. Busybox is considerably lighter than 'proper' shell - but the processes are still moderately expensive.
May 20 10:48:10 <alterego> I've not got, contacts, conversations and images in my web interface :)
May 20 10:48:38 <alterego> Gonna add some system information and then start working on the XHTML templates and CSS styles.
May 20 10:50:54 <Talus_Laptop> greetings
May 20 10:51:14 <Shapeshifter> ruskie: mhh, promptinit and prompt are missing from zsh. is this normal?
May 20 10:51:17 <Talus_Laptop> does anyone know if megoo will hava a n810 version?
May 20 10:51:46 <Stskeeps> Talus_Laptop: it does, actually, but it's maintained as a hobby
May 20 10:51:47 <smoku> shouldn't you ask on #meego?
May 20 10:51:55 <Stskeeps> i can't guarantee a handset UX on it though
May 20 10:52:13 <Talus_Laptop> thank you Stskeeps and smoku
May 20 10:53:24 <pupnik> do we have an auto-rpmizer for maemo5 debs?
May 20 10:53:31 <pupnik> or am i silly
May 20 10:53:50 <X-Fade> pupnik: alien?
May 20 10:54:55 <pupnik> yeah.  does that need special sauce or does it just work?
May 20 10:57:11 <X-Fade> It will give you a good start.
May 20 11:01:17 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: http://www.webmproject.org/license/software/ you putting this in meego yet?
May 20 11:01:25 <smoku> pupnik: AFAIK it just repacks binares. it does not create SPECs
May 20 11:01:48 <pupnik_> ty smoku
May 20 11:02:06 <pupnik_> how about a project for that
May 20 11:03:24 <tybollt_> what is the web browser in Android? :S
May 20 11:03:55 * satmd guesses for webkit
May 20 11:04:56 <SpeedEvil> Internet explorer.
May 20 11:05:58 <satmd> exploder?
May 20 11:06:28 <Stskeeps> tybollt_: no idea, but we have theory and vorbis..
May 20 11:06:49 <tybollt_> theorA
May 20 11:06:57 <smoku> a lot of theories
May 20 11:07:22 <Jdarkkid> there's any next-level english speakers here?
May 20 11:07:49 <Scelt> ciao a tutti?
May 20 11:07:50 * SpeedEvil is Scottish, which is clearly the next level.
May 20 11:08:53 <Scelt> wrong language clearly
May 20 11:09:27 <jaska> tutti = pacifier (the kind little kids suck on)
May 20 11:09:47 <Jdarkkid> ad
May 20 11:09:53 <Scelt> Jdarkkid: talk here
May 20 11:10:08 <jaska> indeed, no need to privmsg out of the blue
May 20 11:10:12 <tybollt_> jaska: tutti == italian for "all"
May 20 11:10:19 <Scelt> hello all
May 20 11:10:21 <jaska> tybollt_: i know that too, just find it hilarious :)
May 20 11:10:23 <Scelt> tsaukkitaukki
May 20 11:10:58 <sx0n> I've heard that Scottish people have their own language?
May 20 11:11:19 <satmd> welsh, too
May 20 11:11:26 <Scelt> Finnish too
May 20 11:11:37 <jaska> also scots speaking english can sound like another language.
May 20 11:11:49 <sx0n> that remotely sounds like an English
May 20 11:12:01 <Jdarkkid> îä ÷åøä àðùéí?
May 20 11:12:13 <Scelt> talk english son
May 20 11:12:23 <SpeedEvil> sx0n: There is scotts Gaelic - which is a totally seperate language. Also welsh and irish.
May 20 11:12:29 <Jdarkkid> îàéôä ìé àðâìéú çç :P
May 20 11:12:38 <jaska> finnish him!
May 20 11:12:41 <Scelt> < Jdarkkid> îàéôä ìé àðâìéú çç :P
May 20 11:12:55 <Jdarkkid> àæ úùôø àåúä éà îôâø :D
May 20 11:13:10 <Scelt> maybe he is a little slow
May 20 11:13:11 <akumar> please any one suggest me, when i run the executable file in maemo5 (eg: run-standalone.sh ./hello). then it fires the error,
May 20 11:13:21 <adeus> alcohol is the finnish and irish language
May 20 11:13:55 <satmd> I'm unable to read the above
May 20 11:14:03 <satmd> looks like charset again
May 20 11:14:20 <SpeedEvil> ?? ?????? ?? ?? ? ????? ?? ????
May 20 11:14:33 <akumar> error is "Floating point exception(core dumped)"
May 20 11:14:44 <jaska> probably just spewing out random chars with accents.. irssi is set to autotranslate charsets for me and i havent had any trouble seeing chinese symbols
May 20 11:15:02 <Scelt> he's israeli
May 20 11:15:10 <pupnik> i just saw reports that linux phone sales dropped last quarter.  vs q1 2009
May 20 11:15:14 <akumar> usr-bin-run-standalone.sh: line 11:  7382 Floating point exception(core dumped) "$@"
May 20 11:15:53 <satmd> akumar: your binary is buggy
May 20 11:15:59 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: Everyone bought n900s and is enjoying them.
May 20 11:16:08 <Jdarkkid> àéê ú'éåãò ùàðé éùøàìé? ççççç àéãéåè
May 20 11:16:11 <Jdarkkid> áï æåðä îæãééï
May 20 11:16:17 <Scelt> Jdarkkid: get yourself together already
May 20 11:16:56 <jaska> dunno what encoding that is, cant be wtf-8 or latin-[19]
May 20 11:16:59 <mece1> NINJA! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/australian-ninjas-rescue_n_582901.html
May 20 11:17:01 <Scelt> Jdarkkid: tuskin säkään paljon ymmärrät jos sulle suomea änkytän. tää tosin näkyy sentään vähän selvemmin kun toi sekamelskas
May 20 11:17:09 <Jdarkkid> understadnable
May 20 11:17:10 <jaska> :D
May 20 11:17:13 <Jdarkkid> get to the point.
May 20 11:17:22 <Scelt> well done, kiddo
May 20 11:17:25 <akumar> satmd:  same code is working previously.
May 20 11:17:37 <Jdarkkid> Scelt, where are you from çáø?
May 20 11:17:41 <satmd> then it might need different compile flags
May 20 11:17:55 <Scelt> Jdarkkid: Winland
May 20 11:18:06 <satmd> well, at least I can say that the problem is not with the wrapping shell-script but the binary being called
May 20 11:18:29 <Jdarkkid> Scelt, Where is it? I'm learning geography but never heard of this country or seen it on map.
May 20 11:18:34 <akumar> may i know how to resolve.
May 20 11:18:56 <Scelt> Jdarkkid: Finland, in the top of the world
May 20 11:19:00 <Scelt> on I mean
May 20 11:19:11 <jaska> top of the world, bottom of hell
May 20 11:19:16 <Jdarkkid> Scelt, I love finnish emcees.
May 20 11:19:58 <Scelt> Jdarkkid: sure
May 20 11:20:02 <Jdarkkid> your language can rhyme for sure
May 20 11:20:14 <jaska> i think finnish rap/hiphop sounds like arabic
May 20 11:20:23 <sx0n> or just crap
May 20 11:20:27 <Scelt> ;D
May 20 11:20:29 <jaska> that too
May 20 11:20:32 <Scelt> I was going to say that
May 20 11:20:44 <Jdarkkid> Brand sounds like a dope NYC rapper, but he finnish though
May 20 11:21:01 <sx0n> well raptori is good
May 20 11:21:06 <sx0n> *was
May 20 11:21:22 <Jdarkkid> he behind bars?
May 20 11:22:03 <Jdarkkid> Also, finnish people are hotties, the most.
May 20 11:22:09 <sx0n> but it was not really rap music, but still. surely there is some good artist currently too.
May 20 11:22:25 <Jdarkkid> finnish girls*
May 20 11:22:51 <petteri> i am also hot :)
May 20 11:23:11 <Jdarkkid> yeah but you're not build for sex.
May 20 11:25:26 <tekojo> Is it Friday yet?
May 20 11:25:55 <Stskeeps> early friday obviously
May 20 11:26:05 <DocScrutinizer> hell
May 20 11:26:22 <DocScrutinizer> &moo
May 20 11:31:53 <ruskie> Shapeshifter, hmm works for me
May 20 11:32:07 <ruskie> Shapeshifter, I have those that I'm rather sure about
May 20 11:35:57 <summel> :o quasselclient works now :)
May 20 11:37:08 <Shapeshifter> ruskie: mhh. maybe a PATH problem? I have promptinit; prompt walters blue in my .zshrc but it says "command not found: promptinit", same for 'prompt'. dpkg -L shows me that there is /opt/maemo/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts/promptinit and also /opt/maemo/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts/prompt_walters_setup
May 20 11:37:28 <ruskie> Shapeshifter, hmm do you have a /usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts/promptinit ?
May 20 11:37:53 <ruskie> Shapeshifter, might be the reason why it's not there
May 20 11:38:16 <Shapeshifter> ruskie: yes I have it
May 20 11:38:28 <ruskie> odd
May 20 11:38:50 <ruskie> autoload -U promptinit
May 20 11:38:50 <ruskie> promptinit
May 20 11:38:53 <ruskie> prompt cosum
May 20 11:39:47 <Shapeshifter> it tab-completes prompt and promptinit but then it says zsh: command not found: prompt
May 20 11:40:14 <ruskie> echo $fpath
May 20 11:40:15 <ruskie> check that
May 20 11:40:24 <ruskie> it's where it'll look for the internal functions
May 20 11:40:40 <Shapeshifter> /usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts is in $fpath
May 20 11:41:48 <Shapeshifter> ruskie: mh, but promptinit doesn't have +x
May 20 11:41:53 <Shapeshifter> is this normal?
May 20 11:42:01 <Shapeshifter> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         5.5k Dec  6 07:24 promptinit
May 20 11:42:11 <ruskie> yeah
May 20 11:43:20 <Shapeshifter> I can also run 'zsh /usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts/promptinit' without a problem but still 'prompt' isn't found afterwards
May 20 11:43:32 <Shapeshifter> ah
May 20 11:43:36 <Shapeshifter> if I source it, then it works
May 20 11:44:44 <ruskie> hmm I don't source it in zshrc
May 20 11:47:21 <tybollt_> < Jdarkkid> Also, finnish people are hotties, the most.
May 20 11:47:28 <tybollt_> what the FUCK are you saying?
May 20 11:47:42 <tybollt_> I know for a fact that that is as far from the truth as can be
May 20 11:48:19 <jaska> indeed
May 20 11:48:37 * ruskie wonders from what depths of history that got dregged up
May 20 11:48:37 <lcuk> tybollt_, in the depths of winter, hugging a female Finn might be the only thing that keeps you alive.  you best hope they are all hotties!
May 20 11:49:04 <ohwhyme> lol
May 20 11:50:42 <tybollt_> lcuk: :D
May 20 11:54:44 <chem|st> lol
May 20 11:56:03 <Scelt> lcuk: what ya saying bro? we haven't seen a real winter for ages
May 20 11:56:33 <jaska> 2002 or 2001 had one.. -38
May 20 11:56:53 <lcuk> babyboom!
May 20 11:56:57 <Scelt> When I was a child, there was snow as fas as en eye could see... oh wait, or was it ice age?
May 20 11:58:51 <summel> :o no checkinstall in the sdk :(
May 20 11:58:58 <summel> how do i make a .deb package then?
May 20 11:59:09 <X-Fade> summel: dpkg-buildpackage ?
May 20 11:59:22 <summel> X-Fade: :o thx :) *reads manpage*
May 20 11:59:27 <ruskie> would be nice getting checkinstall in
May 20 11:59:33 <ruskie> that would make packaging things just so much easier
May 20 12:00:30 <summel> hmmm
May 20 12:00:32 <summel> yeah
May 20 12:01:49 <summel> dpkg-buildpackage does not work ;_;
May 20 12:02:05 <ruskie> it's not the same as checkinstall
May 20 12:02:19 <ruskie> you need to setup the debian/ structure
May 20 12:02:21 <summel> dpkg-pasrechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
May 20 12:02:24 <ruskie> setup rules etc... etc... etc...
May 20 12:02:35 <summel> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
May 20 12:02:39 <summel> hm
May 20 12:02:41 <summel> ok
May 20 12:02:49 <summel> are there any instructions availeable
May 20 12:02:50 <ruskie> try building checkinstall for the sdk
May 20 12:02:52 <ruskie> might work
May 20 12:02:57 <ruskie> debian packaging howto I guess
May 20 12:02:58 <tybollt_> Stskeeps, X-Fade: any idea of upcomming HW? Will there be a n900 mini type of device?
May 20 12:03:32 <Stskeeps> tybollt_: no
May 20 12:03:39 <Stskeeps> also, red is the new blue
May 20 12:04:11 * tybollt_ trouts Stskeeps ;P
May 20 12:07:18 <summel> :o
May 20 12:07:45 <TomaszD> see how he definitely said "no"?
May 20 12:07:51 <TomaszD> he knows something
May 20 12:07:52 <TomaszD> :P
May 20 12:07:57 <summel> it does something :O
May 20 12:08:34 <tybollt_> TomaszD: He's just playing w/ us. In the typical "I know and you don't get to, luser!" fashion.-..
May 20 12:08:38 * Stskeeps headdesks
May 20 12:08:38 <summel> do i have to look out for something? like a prefix or stuff?
May 20 12:09:51 <satmd> don't you hurt the desk :p
May 20 12:10:02 <Stskeeps> next device is obvious PR1.2 in the form of a beautiful woman
May 20 12:10:09 <satmd> o_o
May 20 12:10:13 <satmd> dowant
May 20 12:10:17 <TomaszD> Just one?
May 20 12:10:25 <Stskeeps> okay, two
May 20 12:10:25 <Stskeeps> :P
May 20 12:10:45 <TomaszD> and what would they be doing
May 20 12:10:50 <summel> eww
May 20 12:10:58 <TomaszD> communicating via wireless gossip?
May 20 12:11:14 <Termana> -.-
May 20 12:11:21 <Termana> Server didn't like your dirty talk
May 20 12:26:59 <sejo> would there be someone interested in a maemo todo app that syncs to a (own or other) server?
May 20 12:28:19 <smoku> sejo: like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24977 ?
May 20 12:28:24 <hcm> sejo: the builtin todo (in calendar) sync flawlessly with syncevolution (i'm using it with my funambol server)
May 20 12:29:08 <summel> hmmm i cant the .desktop file right for my application...
May 20 12:29:17 <summel> it shows up in "All" but not in "Network" oO
May 20 12:31:47 <sejo> smoku, hcm thanks... apparently I did needles coding :p
May 20 12:31:50 <sejo> again :p
May 20 12:33:53 <hcm> sejo: nope, coding is never needless, I bet you learnt a lot :P
May 20 12:34:41 <lugkhast> This isn't exactly an N900-specific question, but how do I make a QProgressBar indeterminate?
May 20 12:34:42 <hcm> and maybe your app is better than the builtin (which is easily possible), so some users might want to give your app a try
May 20 12:36:40 <sejo> hcm it's very basic GTD, I think I'll improve it a bit more before releasing it
May 20 12:38:05 * wazd still needs to team up with 3D modelling god to conquer the world :)
May 20 12:38:46 <Khertan> <sejo> would there be someone interested in a maemo todo app that syncs to a (own or other) server? <<< mine is syncing with my own web implementations :)
May 20 12:38:58 <Khertan> but far from being ready for end user
May 20 12:38:59 <Khertan> :)
May 20 12:39:03 <Khertan> mtodos :)
May 20 12:39:54 <Khertan> i'm planning one day to build a other todos wich use the samedb as the nokia calendar/todo ...
May 20 12:40:16 <Khertan> but hum ... calendarbackend haven't any binding for python
May 20 12:41:29 <lcuk> Khertan, you could do with some kind of todo app to keep track of all things you need todo in your todo app
May 20 12:42:14 <Corsac> that reminds me about yet another bug which nobody cares about :/
May 20 12:43:02 <Khertan> lcuk, do not joke about that ... the older task in my todo apps ... is : "FINISH ME"
May 20 12:43:04 <Khertan> :)
May 20 12:43:09 <alterego> Khertan: what's the calendar db?
May 20 12:43:26 <sejo> lol
May 20 12:43:32 <Khertan> the calendar db is a sqlite db
May 20 12:43:42 <lcuk> Khertan, then follow it
May 20 12:43:42 <alterego> I want to interface with it myself, evolution thingy is missing.
May 20 12:43:42 <Khertan> but ... hum ... strange schema
May 20 12:43:48 <alterego> Khertan: I meant, where is it? :P
May 20 12:43:49 <Khertan> yep ... 2 s
May 20 12:44:12 <Khertan> sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb
May 20 12:44:13 <Khertan> :)
May 20 12:44:19 <Khertan> i like tomboy !
May 20 12:44:19 <Khertan> :)
May 20 12:45:00 <summel> ok i give up... all the instructions i can find use qmake instead of cmake -_-
May 20 12:45:22 <summel> so i guess there will never be a package, only a binary :P
May 20 12:45:53 <alterego> Khertan: thanks :)
May 20 12:46:59 <alterego> I use Conboy loads, it's the best :)
May 20 12:51:01 <smoku> sejo: I learnt some time ago, that if I have an idea for an app, I just need to wait a month or so, and it will magically appear by someone else ;-)
May 20 12:52:06 <smoku> summel: what problem do you have with cmake?  i've been fighting this piece of cr lately - maybe I could help
May 20 12:52:26 <summel> smoku: i want to package my qt4 application
May 20 12:52:36 <summel> but all the instructions are written for qmake
May 20 12:52:42 <summel> and my application uses cmake
May 20 12:52:43 <summel> :(
May 20 12:52:52 <smoku> "package" meaning?
May 20 12:53:03 <smoku> tar.gz? deb?
May 20 12:55:51 <summel> .deb
May 20 13:04:54 <SpeedEvil> Is it possible to turn location on via the commandline?
May 20 13:04:56 <smoku> summel: here's an example of packaging cmake app to deb: http://github.com/smokku/widelands/blob/master/debian/rules
May 20 13:05:14 <summel> thx ill read into it
May 20 13:05:34 <GAN900> Can somebody do me a quick favor and dig up the logs and minutes from the sprint meeting the other day?
May 20 13:06:01 <GAN900> Trying to finish up the council's blog post on it but GPRS hates me right now.
May 20 13:08:42 <sejo> lol smoku
May 20 13:09:23 <summel> oO i dont even understand it
May 20 13:10:02 <MohammadAG_> debian/rules is quite easy to modify
May 20 13:11:19 <auenf> whats the key combo to take a screenshot?
May 20 13:11:26 <auenf> and does it work at the initial setup screen?
May 20 13:12:09 <summel> ctrl shift p
May 20 13:13:38 <achipa> GAN900: this ? http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2010-05-17.html
May 20 13:14:57 <auenf> welp, i can pick english (australia), but its not PR1.2
May 20 13:15:23 <trashYyY> hello
May 20 13:17:40 <E0x> how i can check the cpu frequency ? cat /proc/cpuinfo dont give the data
May 20 13:17:51 <SpeedEvil> umm
May 20 13:18:04 <SpeedEvil>  /sys/*/cpufreq/time_in_state
May 20 13:18:26 <SpeedEvil> ./devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state
May 20 13:19:26 <SpeedEvil> Also - /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle/state*/time
May 20 13:23:29 <GAN900> achipa, thanks.
May 20 13:28:12 <E0x> SpeedEvil: tx
May 20 13:35:13 <summel> http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format i did everything like it says there but yet my app only shows up in "All" and not in "Network" oO
May 20 13:35:14 <summel> ;_;
May 20 13:37:57 <summel> and applications that show up in Network dont even have a Categories entry in theyr desktop file! wtf???
May 20 13:38:02 <andre__> summel, please post your .desktop file on a pastebin
May 20 13:38:36 <summel> http://pastebin.org/257840
May 20 13:38:49 <summel> i tried it with and without the ;
May 20 13:39:54 <andre__> exec on opt‽
May 20 13:40:06 <summel> but why does for example fmms show up in the right catergory when they dont even have a Category entry in theyr desktop file? oO
May 20 13:40:10 <summel> andre__: hu?
May 20 13:40:25 <andre__> Exec=/opt/quassel/quasselclient
May 20 13:40:28 <summel> yes?
May 20 13:40:37 <summel> i copied my binary there
May 20 13:41:04 <andre__> summel: tried adding X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable ?
May 20 13:41:24 <andre__> and X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true ?
May 20 13:41:28 <andre__> they are clearly missing.
May 20 13:41:46 <summel> a lot of working apps dont have these entries :o
May 20 13:41:59 <auenf> <summel> ctrl shift p <-- where does it save to?
May 20 13:42:20 <summel> auenf: /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots
May 20 13:43:59 <Arkenoi> how can i view my saved microB passwords?
May 20 13:45:19 <summel> andre__: does still not work
May 20 13:50:29 <akumar> not able to execute qt application inside scratchbox  and the error is Floating point exception(core dumped),can anyone help me
May 20 13:50:56 <akumar> please suggest me.
May 20 13:55:29 <style> is there working sftp client for n900
May 20 13:55:45 <moo---_> akumar: extract the traceback from the core file where it crashed
May 20 13:55:51 <zaheerm-lp> in terminal, there is: sftp
May 20 13:55:52 <moo---_> akumar: using gdb debugger
May 20 13:55:54 <flashn> style, huh?
May 20 13:56:13 <flashn> style, commandline tools arent n900 specific
May 20 13:56:51 <akumar> this application previously is working, here no any application is working
May 20 13:57:41 <style> flashn: ye, but im looking for GUI alternative
May 20 13:57:56 <andre__> akumar: please post full output to pastebin. impossible to say from one line.
May 20 13:57:56 <akumar> moo---_:  also basic program like hello, push-button, cur etc application is also not running.
May 20 13:58:00 <style> scp works fine, but GUI  woulde nice
May 20 13:58:55 <GAN900> andre__, I poke Karsten yesterday.
May 20 13:59:06 <andre__> GAN900, thanks
May 20 13:59:12 <GAN900> andre__, he's gonna blog and get the VCS up.
May 20 13:59:25 <GAN900> Then I may poke Tero if we want more hours.
May 20 14:00:49 <andre__> (...and if Karsten has time for more hours)
May 20 14:00:53 <andre__> but sounds good. thanks a lot.
May 20 14:01:16 <moo---_> akumar: yes but the error message is useless without a stack trace. You don't know what's crashing.
May 20 14:01:38 <moo---_> akumar: and it makes little sense to us to start guessing what you have been doing with your device to break it
May 20 14:02:28 <Arkenoi> ah. signons are in sqlite there. does a command line tool to dump it exist?
May 20 14:03:04 <akumar> yes, i am tracing
May 20 14:03:13 <GAN900> andre__, sure, and thank you. ;)
May 20 14:11:54 <crashanddie> wow
May 20 14:12:01 <crashanddie> Abill_uk actually posted a sensible comment
May 20 14:12:23 <crashanddie> GAN900: did you hack his account?
May 20 14:12:36 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: he said he's quitting?
May 20 14:12:40 <crashanddie> nope
May 20 14:12:43 <crashanddie> not even that
May 20 14:13:09 <crashanddie> He actually replied to a very incendiary post of mine by being honest, respectful and having a decent point to make
May 20 14:13:21 <crashanddie> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=667750&postcount=51
May 20 14:13:24 <crashanddie> I'm speechless
May 20 14:14:13 <crashanddie> He needs to fix his broken enter key, and learn to make paragraphs, but still, I'm amazed
May 20 14:14:32 <GAN900> crashanddie, always.
May 20 14:14:35 <GAN900> What?
May 20 14:16:32 <GAN900> I really want to name this article "Last week we held a maemo.org sprint... or The 100 Days: Redux"
May 20 14:17:02 <GAN900> But I know that's not nearly informative enough nor as clever as I think it is.
May 20 14:17:06 <Appiah> wow, there's drama even in the maemo community
May 20 14:17:16 * Appiah cries
May 20 14:17:27 <crashanddie> Appiah: you must be new here
May 20 14:17:28 <andre__> hehe
May 20 14:17:54 <Appiah> Haven't seen that in the channel
May 20 14:17:59 <tybollt_> wait a minute
May 20 14:18:02 <Appiah> and I dont read off-topic on talk.maemo.org
May 20 14:18:05 <tybollt_> only one MFE allowed? :-o
May 20 14:18:09 <tybollt_> one account?
May 20 14:18:12 <tybollt_> ARGH
May 20 14:18:13 <crashanddie> tybollt_: aye
May 20 14:18:14 <Appiah> tybollt_: there's a app for multiple accounts
May 20 14:18:15 <tybollt_> \o/
May 20 14:18:28 <tybollt_> Appiah: where where?
May 20 14:18:35 <Appiah> and thats how exchange usally works on email clients
May 20 14:19:04 <Appiah> tybollt_: seen it somewhere..
May 20 14:21:04 <crashanddie> Appiah: you sound like someone who just witnessed virgin mary
May 20 14:21:14 <Appiah> cant find it , maybe I was wrong , sorry tybollt_ =/
May 20 14:21:25 <Appiah> crashanddie: ? :)
May 20 14:22:26 <tybollt_> jaja
May 20 14:22:32 <tybollt_> hmm
May 20 14:23:45 <Appiah> but thats not strange. I mean outlook on Windows never supported more then 1 exchange account , same with evolution on linux
May 20 14:26:45 <tybollt_> Olrite
May 20 14:26:51 <tybollt_> fair enough then
May 20 14:27:13 <GAN900> Jaffa, ping?
May 20 14:27:25 <tybollt_> problem is missus will soon have a android phone
May 20 14:27:32 <tybollt_> need to sync calendars
May 20 14:27:35 <cityLights> dear developers
May 20 14:27:50 <tybollt_> I'm guessing android doesn't do ovi calendar so ;)
May 20 14:27:57 <cityLights> where is the place to learn how to use gtk for python?
May 20 14:28:13 <Appiah> pygtk?
May 20 14:28:18 <cityLights> I saw some examples in maemo 4 nokia
May 20 14:28:27 <Appiah> www.pygtk.org
May 20 14:28:57 <GAN900> crashanddie, think up a fun and informative title for me.
May 20 14:29:09 <Appiah> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ maybe better for maemo
May 20 14:29:13 <bigbrovar> cityLights: generally you might want to check this out http://tuxradar.com/content/code-project-build-pygtk-rss-reader
May 20 14:29:17 <crashanddie> GAN900: Justin Bieber doesn't use Maemo
May 20 14:29:42 <crashanddie> GAN900: what's it about?
May 20 14:29:45 <cityLights> any "bible" for hildon UI?
May 20 14:30:08 <crashanddie> cityLights: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo#Tutorials
May 20 14:30:16 <crashanddie> cityLights: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/python_hildon_manual/
May 20 14:31:36 <crashanddie> c'mon bitches, bring it on
May 20 14:31:38 <crashanddie> I'll answer anything
May 20 14:31:46 <GAN900> crashanddie, the 2010 brainstorm.
May 20 14:32:06 <crashanddie> GAN900: "Pick my collective brain, contributor"
May 20 14:32:22 <GAN900> I like that.
May 20 14:32:30 <cityLights> google: what is pygtk?
May 20 14:32:30 <cityLights> thnaks Appiah
May 20 14:32:43 <crashanddie> cityLights: hildon is based on gtk
May 20 14:32:58 <crashanddie> cityLights: so pymaemo is just specifics for maemo, but the base is pygtk, so you'll need a lot of it
May 20 14:33:23 <lcuk> mmmmm py
May 20 14:33:39 <lmoura> I'd recommend at least a little bit of desktop pygtk experience
May 20 14:33:46 <crashanddie> lmoura: no need
May 20 14:33:50 <lmoura> at least the basics (containers, connecting signals)
May 20 14:34:40 <crashanddie> cityLights: for example, there's specific widgets that are only available to maemo (wizard, time selector, etc), but loads are basic GTK (GtkButton, for example)
May 20 14:35:11 <cityLights> ok
May 20 14:35:34 <lcuk> either way, with python a quick google usually brings up decent short example snippets of doing something
May 20 14:35:37 <cityLights> is therou may recomend?e one guide y
May 20 14:35:37 <cityLights> sorry
May 20 14:35:42 <GAN900> OK, it's up, you bastards. http://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorming_maemo-org_2010/
May 20 14:35:59 <cityLights> is there any specific guide one may recomend?
May 20 14:37:13 <crashanddie> GAN900: meh, no witty title then?
May 20 14:37:53 <GAN900> crashanddie, being an announcement and not an editorial, yeah.
May 20 14:38:09 <GAN900> One of us has to find a way to use that line, though.
May 20 14:38:23 <crashanddie> "us"? Hey, you're the council, bitch
May 20 14:38:46 <MohammadAG> lmao
May 20 14:39:28 <crashanddie> lcuk: collabora nicely ignored me :)
May 20 14:40:33 <lcuk> next time you send a cv, it helps if you dont include a naked picture of self
May 20 14:40:37 <Stskeeps> well, they may read the logs here, crashanddie ;)
May 20 14:42:03 <lcuk> crashanddie, how is the conversations search tool coming on nowadays? :D
May 20 14:42:34 <w00t_> lcuk: it got forwarded to you, then?
May 20 14:42:35 <w00t_> :-)
May 20 14:42:57 <bidossessi> is pyside the future-proof way to go if you want to do python-qt devel work for maemo/meego?
May 20 14:43:22 <lcuk> w00t_, i'm officially blinded
May 20 14:43:45 <w00t_> bidossessi: for the most part, pyside and pyqt are fairly syntax-compatible, there isn't many differences
May 20 14:44:17 <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/05/20/how-old-your-home-is/
May 20 14:45:47 <lcuk> LOL hrw, i have my college work back to '98-99 everything prior to that wasnt on a pc
May 20 14:46:55 <crashanddie> lcuk: so you've been mamed by nokia, intoxicated by the summit, and now blinded by collabora. Djeezus, Maemo isn't so good for you after all xD
May 20 14:47:24 <hrw> lcuk: I should have some 90's files on hdd but they are archived
May 20 14:47:31 <crashanddie> lcuk: I basically moved in with my gf, it's amazing that I can actually get to my laptop so often, as soon as I start coding she starts sulking
May 20 14:48:27 <lcuk> hrw ahh mine are live and available
May 20 14:48:33 <lcuk> about 40 subfolders in
May 20 14:48:37 <lcuk> its like tree rings
May 20 14:48:38 <lcuk> lol
May 20 14:48:42 <hrw> ;D
May 20 14:50:52 <lcuk> crashanddie, tish, if you dont have scrapes and bruises along the way what else can you talk about :D
May 20 14:51:05 <crashanddie> true
May 20 14:51:13 <crashanddie> but the burn marks on my knees are painful
May 20 14:51:33 <lcuk> hah
May 20 14:51:40 <crashanddie> I hate her "Baby, it's sexy when you crawl"
May 20 14:52:58 <bidossessi> i'm planning to port part of a pygtk app we're developing for work to the n900. I understand i could just use hildon (i've done some tests and it works) but i'd like to use the "preferred" ui library if possible. however, this pyside/pygtk issue is confusing me.
May 20 14:56:08 <E0x> bidossessi: hmm i don't know much but i think pygtk work on n900
May 20 14:57:35 <GAN900> Oops, Midgard stumbled on the Google Docs paste
May 20 14:58:30 <mgedmin> bidossessi, both will work; pygtk (hildon) will use the native toolkit and maybe sidestep issues with libqt versions; pyside is a bit more forward-looking, as the next tablet will switch to qt
May 20 14:58:49 <mgedmin> however gtk and pygtk apps will continue to work, I'm certain
May 20 14:59:15 <mgedmin> I personally like pygtk a lot
May 20 14:59:18 <mgedmin> haven't ever tried pyside
May 20 14:59:28 <mgedmin> haven't really tried app development for n900
May 20 15:03:07 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, I remember seeing you say something about an upgradeable sensor
May 20 15:03:15 <MohammadAG> what was that about?
May 20 15:07:39 <GAN900> MohammadAG, stupid Nokia design-by-community thing.
May 20 15:08:11 <MohammadAG> oh so it's not about the N900?
May 20 15:08:31 <GAN900> No
May 20 15:17:16 <DocScrutinizer> though actually the main camera on N900 is theoretically replaceable by a better model (if you can find a matching one, with drivers ;-P )
May 20 15:18:28 <DocScrutinizer> aiui it's just a matter of pull&plug
May 20 15:19:04 <DocScrutinizer> main camera also avalable as separate sparepart
May 20 15:20:18 <tybollt_> DocScrutinizer: the screen?
May 20 15:20:38 <DocScrutinizer> tybollt_: please rephrase
May 20 15:20:40 <chem|st> captain obvious just entered the building...
May 20 15:21:36 <chem|st> tybollt_: for what reason would you replace a UH-screen with an XUH-screen?
May 20 15:21:45 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 20 15:23:01 <chem|st> I'd like to have another plug for vga...
May 20 15:24:20 <DocScrutinizer> but yes, if you can find a LCD same size and same interface specs as the one used in N900, but with a different resolution, I guess you could tweak the omap SoC videobufer hardware to drive that correctly
May 20 15:24:20 <chem|st> some kind of dumb to have a vga > comp > vga conversion...
May 20 15:24:28 <DocScrutinizer> in theory
May 20 15:25:08 <chem|st> you would need to replace the interface
May 20 15:26:13 <tybollt_> DocScrutinizer: I want to replace the screen of my N900 :)
May 20 15:26:45 <SpeedEvil> Also - the display controller is ratehr flexible.
May 20 15:26:52 <chem|st> most of the common used interfaces do more resolutions; but they do not have the fate of being small and powersaving
May 20 15:26:59 <SpeedEvil> And has a LVDS interface to the display - unless I'm confused.
May 20 15:27:05 <chem|st> tybollt_: with what
May 20 15:27:23 <SpeedEvil> You would need to reprogram the driver, and work out the pinout of the LCD, and supply extra battery for backlighting.
May 20 15:27:26 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ack
May 20 15:27:34 <SpeedEvil> Other than that - and the touchscreen - and the case - it's simple.
May 20 15:27:57 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: touchscreen doesnt matter
May 20 15:28:08 <tybollt_> with a fricken spare part for god sakes :)
May 20 15:28:12 <tybollt_> my screen is bust
May 20 15:28:16 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 20 15:28:20 <SpeedEvil> you can do that too
May 20 15:28:25 <SpeedEvil> It's ratehr easier.
May 20 15:28:28 <DocScrutinizer> tybollt_: now THAT's easy, dude
May 20 15:28:34 <SpeedEvil> But you're probably est to get it replaced.
May 20 15:28:35 <chem|st> tybollt_: lol just do! where are you from?
May 20 15:28:38 <SpeedEvil> professionally
May 20 15:29:08 <tybollt_> so question is where'd I get it?
May 20 15:29:18 <DocScrutinizer> iirc spare LCD is ~80EUR
May 20 15:29:25 <tybollt_> I can live w/ that
May 20 15:29:31 <tybollt_> easily
May 20 15:30:17 <chem|st> tybollt_: LCD or touchscreen aswell?
May 20 15:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> tybollt_: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ for example
May 20 15:30:30 <chem|st> touch is about 65€ lcd 80-90€
May 20 15:30:46 <chem|st> or http://www.belzakelijk.nl/accessoires/zoeken/511/nokia/2156/n900/41/spare-parts/
May 20 15:30:50 <tybollt_> this is a scratch
May 20 15:30:56 <tybollt_> on the very outer part of the lcd
May 20 15:31:01 <tybollt_> so just the lcd then
May 20 15:31:24 <SpeedEvil> tybollt_: that's the digitiser then
May 20 15:31:25 <chem|st> tybollt_: scratch is surface of your phone you mean?
May 20 15:31:27 <SpeedEvil> tybollt_: not the LCD
May 20 15:31:46 <SpeedEvil> tybollt_: To scratch the LCD, you need to cut through the glass bottom of the digitiser
May 20 15:31:51 <tybollt_> heh
May 20 15:31:54 <tybollt_> fair enough
May 20 15:31:56 <tybollt_> then that
May 20 15:32:07 <SpeedEvil> Also - a screen protector on the top may somewhat obscure it.
May 20 15:32:10 <chem|st> if you got your surface scratched this is the touchscreen
May 20 15:32:48 <tybollt_> no the scratch is too deep
May 20 15:32:54 <tybollt_> so yeah the touchscreen then
May 20 15:32:56 <tybollt_> awesome
May 20 15:33:26 <chem|st> tybollt_: there are several ways to fix this with lubricant and polish
May 20 15:33:49 <tybollt_> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/popup_image.php?pID=4369&imgID=1
May 20 15:33:51 <tybollt_> so that then
May 20 15:33:53 <tybollt_> ^^^^^^^
May 20 15:34:02 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4364_Original-Nokia-N900-Display--LCD-.html
May 20 15:35:41 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: you are on another path my dear friend!
May 20 15:36:00 <chem|st> tybollt_: yes that
May 20 15:36:10 <DocScrutinizer> yeah I missed the part with the scratch
May 20 15:36:32 <chem|st> and another 40€ at a nokia care center to replace it without warranty void
May 20 15:37:07 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 20 15:37:58 <tybollt_> will nokia repaircenter actually take the new piece I ordered and put it in there for 40 bucks?
May 20 15:38:01 <tybollt_> seriously?
May 20 15:38:13 <DocScrutinizer> ask at your next nokia care center, they will happily tell you what's needed and how many bucks you have to pull
May 20 15:38:20 <tybollt_> won't they charge me $LITTLE_LESS_THAN_PRIZE_OF_NEW_PHONE to do that? :)
May 20 15:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 20 15:38:36 <tybollt_> really? Oh ok
May 20 15:38:42 <tybollt_> fair enough, I'll head on over :)
May 20 15:38:53 <DocScrutinizer> they are quite reasonable with their prices (at least the shop I contacted)
May 20 15:39:25 <DocScrutinizer> official nokia competence center
May 20 15:40:34 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: s/PRIZE/PRICE/ :)
May 20 15:41:56 <tybollt_> fuck
May 20 15:42:03 <tybollt_> sorry about that
May 20 15:42:13 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 20 15:43:06 * DocScrutinizer thanks timeless_mbp for the never ending effort to improve our skills in correct written English
May 20 15:43:33 <DocScrutinizer> actually I know at least I can use it
May 20 15:43:43 <tybollt_> For the protocol, I actually got to slap _timeless_ wrist the other day. I am still considering putting this in my CV ;-P
May 20 15:43:59 <timeless_mbp> heh
May 20 15:44:36 <tybollt_> anyway then I'll head on over to the shop... thanks
May 20 15:45:52 <akumar> please any one suggest me soltion, http://pastebin.com/FeHR4tNZ
May 20 15:46:33 <akumar> error is Floating point exception(core dumped) "$@", and details on http://pastebin.com/FeHR4tNZ
May 20 15:54:02 <DocScrutinizer51> RST38h: Any way to change the window title of xchat? the interesting part (chan name) is cut off
May 20 15:54:58 <DocScrutinizer51> "XChat: DocScrutinizer51 @ FreeNod"
May 20 15:55:17 <DocScrutinizer51> quite useless info
May 20 15:55:40 <lcuk> not so useless when you are on the freehug server
May 20 15:55:56 <agi> or if you have alzheimer's
May 20 15:55:58 <hrw> xchat... one day I will find out how to change channels in maemo version
May 20 15:56:26 <E0x> irssi FTW
May 20 15:56:33 <hrw> E0x: not in n900 xterm
May 20 15:56:34 <DocScrutinizer51> hrw: volume rocker?
May 20 15:56:51 <E0x> is fine for me
May 20 15:57:42 <hrw> E0x: I am used to terminals bigger then 100x40
May 20 15:58:09 <hrw> DocScrutinizer: I got volume change not channel
May 20 15:58:16 <adeus> shrink the font?
May 20 15:58:29 <hrw> adeus: to unreadable size?
May 20 15:58:49 <DocScrutinizer51> hrw: fix your key bindings in xchat settings
May 20 15:59:09 <E0x> i think xchat have commands to change windows
May 20 15:59:12 <E0x> like irssi does
May 20 15:59:18 <E0x>  like /windows 4
May 20 15:59:20 <E0x> or something
May 20 15:59:25 <hrw> DocScrutinizer51: xchat prefs are scary
May 20 16:00:06 <luke-jr> Konversation ftw
May 20 16:01:21 <hrw> ~curse morons which removed MUC support
May 20 16:01:22 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, morons which removed MUC support !
May 20 16:01:55 <hrw> in Diablo I could use internal chat app to do irc. was enough for short sessions
May 20 16:01:59 <zash> hrw: WHAT
May 20 16:02:08 <Stskeeps> pymucl exists
May 20 16:02:21 <hrw> please... I tried pymucl
May 20 16:02:38 <Stskeeps> yeah, okay
May 20 16:02:41 <Stskeeps> it needs a better ui
May 20 16:02:41 <Stskeeps> :P
May 20 16:02:56 <hrw> Stskeeps: btw, passed exam?
May 20 16:03:04 * hrw -> off
May 20 16:03:05 <Stskeeps> ah, just a test, no polish exams
May 20 16:03:07 <Stskeeps> thank god
May 20 16:03:07 <Stskeeps> :P
May 20 16:03:18 <hrw> Stskeeps: ok
May 20 16:03:24 <hrw> have a nice rest of day
May 20 16:03:27 <Stskeeps> ta
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 20 16:18:43 2010
May 20 16:19:09 <mintux> i need vpn client what do you suggest i want samething in windows with that option
May 20 16:19:59 <Khertan> openvpn
May 20 16:20:34 <mintux> openvpn is server or client?
May 20 16:20:41 <Khertan> both :
May 20 16:38:54 <Khertan> X-Fade, Hi, you said me some weeks ago that someone want to become the maintainer and packager for PyGTKEditor on Maemo ... did you remember who want to do it ? as i ve never been contacted about
May 20 16:42:50 <ml-mobile> stupid maemo, don't auto-switch to wifi unless I tell you
May 20 16:45:05 <ShadowJK> maybe cellular connection dropped or you have autoswitch to wlan enabled :)
May 20 16:45:42 <ml-mobile> autoswitch to wlan is disabled because of my home AP
May 20 16:47:41 <Arkenoi> Is there a way to temporary disable cellular data connection (which sucks battery big time)? Even if i turn IM protocols offline it does not help as sync is still there.
May 20 16:48:28 <Jaffa> GAN900: belated pong, but just running out of the door
May 20 16:48:56 <Arkenoi> I get, like, 3 days of standby while on wifi and just 16-18 hours on 3G
May 20 16:49:02 <Arkenoi> it sucks!
May 20 16:49:20 <Khertan> a cutter ?
May 20 16:49:30 <barisione> is there a page somewhere that tells me what the maemo buildbot is doing? like what packages are in the queue
May 20 16:50:11 <Khertan> barisione, yep : https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php
May 20 16:50:33 <Khertan> on the right
May 20 16:50:46 <Khertan> and we can see there isn't many things in the queue :)
May 20 16:51:25 <barisione> ah, it shows just one thing because there is just one thing in the queue
May 20 16:51:36 <barisione> not because it's just able to show one thing at once :)
May 20 16:51:39 <Khertan> yep
May 20 16:51:39 <barisione> but wai
May 20 16:51:43 <barisione> *wait
May 20 16:51:47 <barisione> where is my package?
May 20 16:52:00 <frals> lcuk ate it, im sure
May 20 16:52:26 <barisione> lcuk: stop eating my packages!
May 20 16:55:23 <Khertan_n900> 11 days left and will should see the first meego netbook ux
May 20 16:55:40 <GAN900> Jaffa, expired.
May 20 16:55:52 <GAN900> Jaffa, was gonna ask your opinion on the title, but it's posted.
May 20 17:09:59 <Khertan> GAN900, you are talking of a Brainstorm not in maemo.org/community/brainstorm ?
May 20 17:09:59 <Khertan> :)
May 20 17:11:03 <GAN900> Khertan, yes.
May 20 17:11:19 <GAN900> Jaffa, I balme Jaffa for the confusing nomenclature.
May 20 17:12:30 <Khertan> :)
May 20 17:14:07 <GAN900> Khertan, I was confused off and on by it for most of the sprint meeting. ;)
May 20 17:14:55 <Khertan> anyway ... i don't know what is worse ... lost in many useless talk post ... or lost in hardly to search brainstorm
May 20 17:14:55 <Khertan> :)
May 20 17:16:42 * Khertan have the feeling that qt is far from being ready for Maemo
May 20 17:29:18 <GAN900> Khertan, just stick to the Community forum.
May 20 17:34:34 <jacekowski> tekonivel: ?
May 20 17:34:57 <jacekowski> tekojo: ?
May 20 17:35:05 <jacekowski> tekojo: srsly?
May 20 17:35:25 <jacekowski> tekojo: i removed any code that's covered by that patent
May 20 17:38:57 <jacekowski> tekojo: besides, if you would take a look at google status
May 20 17:39:05 <jacekowski> tekojo: on that package
May 20 17:39:27 <jacekowski> tekojo: anyways, their source is stillpublic and they don't seem to be worried about it
May 20 17:45:14 <bn8net> I have a problem to configure a SIP account (RTCOM) over VPN connection : the client use my gprs0 IP address instead of my vpn IP address. Someone know how i could fix this problem ?
May 20 17:45:40 <bn8net>  readed that i have to setup local-ip-address with mc-tool or mc-account command line tool : Someone know how install it (it's in whitch package ?) ?
May 20 17:48:01 <GAN900> jacekowski, Nokia Legal.
May 20 17:48:22 <GAN900> You could take your own eye out and it probably wouldn't help.
May 20 17:49:36 <opdf2> android 2.2 has flash? Is that full flash or another lite?
May 20 17:49:55 <ohwhyme> full
May 20 17:50:03 <tripzero> meh
May 20 17:50:17 <tripzero> i'm not impressed with flash on my n900 for the most part
May 20 17:50:24 <tripzero> fullscreen video is okay
May 20 17:50:30 <tripzero> but everything else kinda sucks
May 20 17:50:47 <tripzero> maybe flash 10.x solves the performance a bit
May 20 17:51:06 <ohwhyme> well i thought 10.x has hw acceleration
May 20 17:51:07 <ohwhyme> that should help
May 20 17:51:16 <ohwhyme> but read that its not coming to maemo?
May 20 17:51:29 <opdf2> Did they release performance # on android flash?
May 20 17:51:44 <tripzero> not that i've seen
May 20 17:51:55 <opdf2> might be like n900 then?
May 20 17:52:53 <bn8net> sorry, I forgot to say hello:) Anybody know how I can define the local-ip-address that sofiasip have to use ?
May 20 17:53:36 <tekojo> jacekowski google status is not my business, and if you look at it, they are in court
May 20 17:53:52 <jacekowski> and then don't seem to be to bothered
May 20 17:54:00 <pupnik> woohoo!
May 20 17:54:08 <tekojo> as said that's their business, not mine
May 20 17:54:23 <jacekowski> besides, there is no copyrighted code in maemo version of chromium
May 20 17:54:51 <tekojo> no, but the legal team is looking at it differently
May 20 17:55:29 <tekojo> I don't understand the US legal system, but their comment was pretty straight forward, even given specifically the point that all problematic code was removed
May 20 17:55:48 <jacekowski> comment?
May 20 17:56:18 <tekojo> that Chromium should be removed from maemo.org repositories
May 20 17:56:56 <tekojo> I can get a more thorough comment tomorrow
May 20 17:57:04 <Khertan> ?
May 20 17:57:54 <tekojo> a company has a court case against google over Chromium and they sent a cease and desist to me for the package being in maemo.org
May 20 17:58:22 <jacekowski> for distributing copyrighted code
May 20 17:58:26 <jacekowski> and it's not there anymore
May 20 17:59:16 <tekojo> removed in the latest build, but apparently the legal system in the US is more complicated than that
May 20 18:00:24 <SpeedEvil> Is the text of this C&D available anywhere? Idly wondering.
May 20 18:00:36 <jacekowski> i have it
May 20 18:00:42 <RST38h> tekojo: Are you sure it is valid?
May 20 18:00:45 <jacekowski> but i've been told to don't distribute it
May 20 18:01:24 <tekojo> RST38h I can't really say, the patent is there and there is an open court case
May 20 18:01:32 <RST38h> After all, Google distributes Chromium *and* makes its source code available
May 20 18:01:51 <RST38h> tekojo: AFAIK, this should either come from Google *or* be based on the court order
May 20 18:02:26 <tekojo> SpeedEvil look for FreeBSD and Chromium if you are interested, we aren't the only party getting the letter
May 20 18:02:31 <RST38h> tekojo: lacking that, their C&D has no more power then if I sent it to you
May 20 18:03:01 <tekojo> RST38h US civil court case. and you aren't a layer as far as I know
May 20 18:03:20 <TomaszD> maybe a brick layer ;P
May 20 18:03:29 <jacekowski> tekojo: have you noticed that there are only links to source code not binary package in that letter
May 20 18:03:58 <RST38h> tekojo: Even although I am not a lawyer, it is clear to me that nobody can claim the ownership of Chromium sources until there is a court decision
May 20 18:04:10 <tekojo> jacekowski yes, means that they aren't good as searching
May 20 18:04:29 <RST38h> tekojo: And if their ownership is not confirmed by the court, their C&D has no force.
May 20 18:04:31 <jacekowski> and what about a part that says that nokia is using that differential update shit
May 20 18:04:34 <tekojo> RST38h it's not sources, it's a patent on a piece of technology
May 20 18:04:40 <RST38h> same
May 20 18:04:52 <jacekowski> and they have right to use it
May 20 18:04:53 <tekojo> no, ask any ipr lawyer
May 20 18:05:14 <RST38h> tekojo: So, has Nokia Legal actually confirmed that you have to remove it?
May 20 18:05:39 <tekojo> haven't seen the agreement, but apparently Nokia has some part of the tech licensed
May 20 18:05:45 <GAN900> Love it.
May 20 18:06:10 <tekojo> RST38h yes, that was the pretty much it
May 20 18:06:44 <SpeedEvil> Has the legal team been informed that all of the relevant code has been removed?
May 20 18:06:46 <tekojo> I'll get a statement out of them tomorrow on what it is all about
May 20 18:07:00 <tekojo> SpeedEvil yes, specifically pointed out to them
May 20 18:07:38 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: they just don't have balls to do anything else than cover their asses
May 20 18:08:08 <timeless_mbp> tekojo: that reminds me
May 20 18:08:15 <timeless_mbp> i owe someone an email to the legal team
May 20 18:08:24 <timeless_mbp> is there a standard address for legal queries?
May 20 18:08:48 <timeless_mbp> someone asked how nokia felt about a certain license, and i don't actually have an answer other than "we're allowed to use it"
May 20 18:08:55 <tybollt_> jacekowski: Usually US lawyer firms say they own copyright and such on their mailings/C&D letters. That's BS, they can not enforce that outside US.
May 20 18:08:58 <tekojo> timeless_mbp I always start with our local contact and he takes it onward
May 20 18:09:14 <timeless_mbp> tekojo: can you send me an internal mail w/ that contact?
May 20 18:09:29 <tekojo> I'll try to remember tomorrow
May 20 18:09:32 <timeless_mbp> my question is fairly "simple", but i hate chasing down contacts in a phone tree
May 20 18:09:33 <timeless_mbp> thanks :)
May 20 18:10:26 <tekojo> no prob
May 20 18:10:32 <RST38h> tekojo: They are probably being cautious, just in case
May 20 18:11:12 <RST38h> tybollt: US or no US, you cannot enforce something that is not confirmed by the court
May 20 18:11:29 <RST38h> tybollt: Even in the US.
May 20 18:11:43 <SpeedEvil> However - having ignored a cease and desist allows the court to exact greater penalty.
May 20 18:11:44 <SpeedEvil> AIUI
May 20 18:11:53 <timeless_mbp> that sounds roughly correct
May 20 18:12:25 <tybollt_> RST38h: Yes, true, that too
May 20 18:12:35 <jacekowski> well, how US court can impose penalty on company based in EU
May 20 18:12:48 <tybollt_> jacekowski: THEY CAN NOT
May 20 18:13:04 <SpeedEvil> tybollt_: Sure they can
May 20 18:13:05 <tybollt_> US law firms try that frequently
May 20 18:13:09 <valdyn> jacekowski: *based in* is meaningless if they have *assets in* the US
May 20 18:13:11 <timeless_mbp> jacekowski: so
May 20 18:13:16 <SpeedEvil> tybollt_: They seize assets of stuff in the US
May 20 18:13:16 <timeless_mbp> a company that "does business in"
May 20 18:13:24 <crashanddie> tybollt_: sure they can
May 20 18:13:28 <timeless_mbp> is vulnerable
May 20 18:13:34 <timeless_mbp> and a company which has representatives who "visit"
May 20 18:13:35 <timeless_mbp> is vulnerable
May 20 18:13:45 <tybollt_> sure sure
May 20 18:13:46 <timeless_mbp> (representatives probably has a technical term)
May 20 18:13:54 <jacekowski> rep
May 20 18:14:36 <tybollt_> so tekojo is doing chrome port for Nokia? I thought it was a private effort :)
May 20 18:14:44 <jacekowski> no
May 20 18:14:47 <jacekowski> i'm doing it
May 20 18:14:52 <RST38h> jacekowski,tybollt: Gentlemen, Nokia has large enough US presense to impose penalties on
May 20 18:14:53 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: tekojo is part of repo.maemo.org
May 20 18:14:56 <SpeedEvil> Perhaps the easiest would be to delete chromium from the repositories, and add chromium-nocourgette
May 20 18:14:57 <timeless_mbp> or however you want to think about it
May 20 18:15:00 <tekojo> my name just is on the maemo.org legal contact line
May 20 18:15:02 <timeless_mbp> c&d go to the hosting groups
May 20 18:15:06 <RST38h> So, do not get all anticopyrighty
May 20 18:15:13 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: eh?
May 20 18:15:50 <timeless_mbp> crashanddie: ok, they go to anyone remotely involed
May 20 18:15:52 <RST38h> The point is though, this is for the court to decide, not for the plaintiff
May 20 18:15:53 <timeless_mbp> better? :)
May 20 18:16:00 <timeless_mbp> RST38h: that's not how things work
May 20 18:16:04 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: sorry, thought you meant me with "c&d"
May 20 18:16:10 <timeless_mbp> oh
May 20 18:16:13 <timeless_mbp> no, the other c&d
May 20 18:16:17 <tybollt_> anyway
May 20 18:16:23 <timeless_mbp> tekojo: is this "Trademark Cyberpiracy Prevention Act"
May 20 18:16:26 <timeless_mbp> or something else?
May 20 18:16:39 <tybollt_> I never heard of this supposed legal battle w/ google over chrome, where can I read more on that?
May 20 18:16:45 <tybollt_> google (!) isn't helping
May 20 18:16:57 <jacekowski> tybollt_: google will help
May 20 18:17:02 <jacekowski> tybollt_: if you ask it nicely
May 20 18:17:05 <timeless_mbp> http://www.google.com/search?q=google%20chrome%20cease%20and%20desist%20freebsd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
May 20 18:17:06 <tybollt_> heh :)
May 20 18:17:07 <timeless_mbp> worksforme
May 20 18:17:27 <timeless_mbp> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hubs/2010-March/002177.html
May 20 18:18:32 <tekojo> timeless_mbp I didn't have time to get the detailed comment form legal today
May 20 18:18:51 <tybollt_> let me guess "red bend" is one of those nasty litigation shops?
May 20 18:19:06 <RST38h> yep
May 20 18:19:17 <jaska> troll conclave
May 20 18:19:22 <timeless_mbp> tekojo: yeah yeah
May 20 18:19:33 <timeless_mbp> i'm reading the freebsd variant
May 20 18:19:44 <timeless_mbp> it should be sufficient for my needs
May 20 18:19:48 <timeless_mbp> it seems to be patent infringement
May 20 18:20:15 <timeless_mbp> http://www.smithhopen.com/litigation_cease_and_desist_letter_strategies.aspx
May 20 18:20:16 <jacekowski> well,
May 20 18:20:23 <timeless_mbp> seems like a reasonable starting point for research
May 20 18:20:24 <jacekowski> i can send counter notification to nokia
May 20 18:20:36 <jacekowski> in which case nokia isn't allowed to remove it
May 20 18:20:49 <jacekowski> and i'll be liable for any costs
May 20 18:20:53 <timeless_mbp> jacekowski: isn't allowed?
May 20 18:21:04 <timeless_mbp> isn't nokia allowed to do whatever it likes?
May 20 18:21:20 <jacekowski> no if i would send counter notification
May 20 18:21:35 <jacekowski> ( unless they would take it down for some other reason )
May 20 18:22:01 <tybollt_> anyway
May 20 18:22:09 <tybollt_> we have maemo.org
May 20 18:22:17 <jacekowski> we don't
May 20 18:22:24 <tybollt_> why not publish a nice blog or rant someplace
May 20 18:22:24 <jacekowski> nokia owns it
May 20 18:22:31 <tybollt_> jaja
May 20 18:22:32 <jacekowski> and that's a problem
May 20 18:22:32 <GAN900> Hehehe
May 20 18:22:39 <tybollt_> what
May 20 18:22:47 <jacekowski> nokia is owner of maemo.org
May 20 18:22:54 <tybollt_> so nokia expressly forbids us to publish a blog or rant of some sort?
May 20 18:23:11 <tybollt_> s/us/maemo staff/
May 20 18:23:11 <infobot> tybollt_ meant: so nokia expressly forbids maemo staff to publish a blog or rant of some sort?
May 20 18:23:28 <jacekowski> i don't know
May 20 18:23:32 <jacekowski> probably no
May 20 18:23:36 * tybollt_ looks at GAN
May 20 18:23:40 <jacekowski> unless it's about chromium
May 20 18:23:44 <tekojo> tybollt_ no, it's just that when someone wants to take a formal action, they (physically) mail me
May 20 18:23:44 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: in a number of areas, i'm pretty sure we are banned from blogging
May 20 18:23:47 <timeless_mbp> i'm not sure about legal
May 20 18:23:56 <jacekowski> Nokia legal went through the red bend case and has strongly suggested that Chromium should be removed from maemo.org entirely at least for now.
May 20 18:23:57 <timeless_mbp> but in general if you have any belief that your blog could be problematic
May 20 18:24:08 <tybollt_> tekojo: my point is - play the game - remove the code - but dobe loud and moan about it
May 20 18:24:10 <timeless_mbp> you're expected to contact your pr + legal contacts before writing anything
May 20 18:24:20 <tybollt_> do be *
May 20 18:24:40 <jacekowski> tekojo: remove yourself from that page
May 20 18:24:58 * tybollt_ sigh
May 20 18:24:58 <jacekowski> tekojo: and replace it with "send all legal letters to /dev/null"
May 20 18:25:09 <jacekowski> solution!
May 20 18:25:09 <tybollt_> So everyone plays the bendover game
May 20 18:25:13 <tekojo> jacekowski some name needs to be there, and yes we are looking at what it could be
May 20 18:25:18 <tybollt_> why blimey there Sherlock!
May 20 18:25:59 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: could we offer a Toll number? :)
May 20 18:25:59 <jacekowski> tekojo: Nokia Legal Department, somewhere in Finland, some street in Finland
May 20 18:26:11 <timeless_mbp> + 1 900 w/ a $10/min fee? :)
May 20 18:26:25 <tekojo> jacekowski same end result as now
May 20 18:26:32 <timeless_mbp> "if you have a complaint, please pay us to process it" :)
May 20 18:26:54 <RST38h> Galactic Overlord, Aldebaran, A Tauri
May 20 18:27:02 <jacekowski> anonymous PO box?
May 20 18:27:17 <jacekowski> it's called PO box?
May 20 18:28:17 <tybollt_> anonymous POS box
May 20 18:28:25 <jacekowski> or just make a note that they should contact mantainers directly
May 20 18:28:35 <jacekowski> in which case mantainer can ignore their letter
May 20 18:29:00 <DrGrov> PR 1.2 update?
May 20 18:29:02 <RST38h> jacekowski <-- will be at the court in no time, using these strategies
May 20 18:29:12 <RST38h> DrGrov: Christmas.
May 20 18:29:17 <RST38h> 2001.
May 20 18:29:23 <RST38h> 2011, sorry, my bad
May 20 18:29:26 <DrGrov> RST38h, Seriously?
May 20 18:29:32 <RST38h> of course
May 20 18:29:36 <tekojo> RST38h it comes with time travel
May 20 18:29:36 <RST38h> go blog about it
May 20 18:29:46 <GAN900> UK people, what's the name of that website with pictures of crappy Japanese ricer cars?
May 20 18:29:52 <RST38h> tell 'em you have heard about it on the irc
May 20 18:30:03 <GAN900> There's a slang term in the UK for ricers which I can't recall.
May 20 18:30:09 <jacekowski> RST38h: well, i don't live in US
May 20 18:30:19 <RST38h> http://www.ricerocketuk.co.uk/
May 20 18:30:25 <jacekowski> RST38h: and i don't plan to go there ever again
May 20 18:30:38 <RST38h> jacekowski: they will send the marines
May 20 18:30:42 <tybollt_> does anyone have the code?
May 20 18:30:54 <tybollt_> I'll put it on a private apt-repo
May 20 18:30:56 <Shapeshifter> GAN900: you mean http://funroll-loops.info/
May 20 18:30:58 <jacekowski> RST38h: they will get bombed by RAF before they even get here
May 20 18:31:47 <RST38h> jacekowski: Using US-made ammunition, no doubt?
May 20 18:31:55 <jacekowski> no
May 20 18:32:17 <johnsq> Hi
May 20 18:32:19 <tybollt_> jacekowski: do you have the code?
May 20 18:32:20 <jacekowski> using EU/UK made jets/bombers
May 20 18:32:24 <jacekowski> tybollt_: i do
May 20 18:32:32 <tybollt_> jacekowski: shall we put it in a private repo?
May 20 18:32:35 <GAN900> Shapeshifter, yeah, think that's the one.
May 20 18:32:36 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: Neither did the barclays bank peeps.
May 20 18:32:53 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: ?
May 20 18:33:03 <GAN900> There's another one
May 20 18:33:19 <jacekowski> RST38h: besides, i've already been in court
May 20 18:33:26 <GAN900> Barry's something or other.
May 20 18:33:37 <jacekowski> RST38h: for excessive speeding
May 20 18:33:40 <RST38h> jacekowski: Using French made jets???
May 20 18:33:44 * RST38h is scared now
May 20 18:33:57 <SpeedEvil> oops
May 20 18:34:03 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest_Three
May 20 18:34:06 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski:
May 20 18:34:13 <SpeedEvil> I got my financial insitutions confused.
May 20 18:34:23 <jacekowski> RST38h: harrier for example
May 20 18:34:31 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: No, that is not him
May 20 18:34:48 <lcuk> heh X-Fade i think you should find collabora have descended on maemo.org repositories - barisione and albanc both getting some community apps together :D
May 20 18:35:03 <cato`> is it posible to live in the US without going to jail?
May 20 18:35:19 <jacekowski> cato`: not really
May 20 18:35:25 <albanc> lcuk, and cassidy just uploaded an application too :-)
May 20 18:35:29 <jacekowski> cato`: they have highest incarceration rate in the world
May 20 18:35:35 <cato`> thought so
May 20 18:35:38 <RST38h> jacekowski: The BAE/Boeing Harrier? :)
May 20 18:35:38 <lcuk> lol albanc cool stuff
May 20 18:35:48 <tybollt_> jacekowski: you're not answering
May 20 18:35:54 <lcuk> albanc, what are you pushing?
May 20 18:36:03 <albanc> lcuk, map-buddy
May 20 18:36:05 <jacekowski> RST38h: just BAE
May 20 18:36:11 <lcuk> :D excellent
May 20 18:36:18 <jacekowski> tybollt_: it's in my private repo
May 20 18:36:20 <RST38h> jacekowski: Wiki says BAE/Boeing
May 20 18:36:26 <jacekowski> tybollt_: that nobody except me can touch
May 20 18:36:33 <lcuk> albanc, what does it do for people without location data?
May 20 18:36:38 <jacekowski> RST38h: they designed couple aircrafts
May 20 18:36:41 <jacekowski> RST38h: most of them alone
May 20 18:36:42 <albanc> lcuk, with cassidy's azimuth and my changes to map-buddy, N900's users will be able to see contacts on a map
May 20 18:36:45 <tybollt_> jacekowski: :) why not put it in a private/public repo?
May 20 18:37:09 <RST38h> jacekowski: So, you mean, they are gonna use the model designed in the 70s?
May 20 18:37:16 <lcuk> oh nice albanc :D theres been a lot of interest in similar kinds of apps
May 20 18:37:31 <jacekowski> RST38h: ekhm
May 20 18:37:40 <lcuk> i think we spoke about it in belgium last time (was it with you?)
May 20 18:37:55 <jacekowski> RST38h: i'm not sure but most modern flying US jet is ~30years old
May 20 18:38:01 <albanc> lcuk, without location data, you can just see the map and look for some business addresses (see http://www.pierlux.com/map-buddy/)
May 20 18:38:08 <jacekowski> tybollt_: it is
May 20 18:38:19 <tybollt_> jacekowski: so I can have it? :)
May 20 18:38:19 <jacekowski> tybollt_: i just don't advertise it's address everywhere
May 20 18:38:22 <RST38h> jacekowski: Well, there is HarrierII, employed by the British Navy since 2006
May 20 18:38:34 <RST38h> jacekowski: The only problem is, it is a joint project with Boeing
May 20 18:38:53 <RST38h> So, if you want a truly British bird, that will have to be the 70s model
May 20 18:39:22 <RST38h> (and we have not got to the ammunition yet ;))
May 20 18:39:47 <jacekowski> RST38h: well, eurofighter
May 20 18:40:23 <RST38h> jacekowski: Anyway, US will send a submarine full of Marines after you, so aerial bombardment will be futile!
May 20 18:40:25 <lcuk> ~seen lardman
May 20 18:40:27 <infobot> lardman <~vircuser@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 5h 18m 26s ago, saying: 'anyway sorry for the random aside :)'.
May 20 18:40:43 * RST38h idly wonders whether he should scare jacekowski with a nuclear deterrent
May 20 18:40:44 <jacekowski> RST38h: and UK can send couple nukes in US direction
May 20 18:40:56 <RST38h> ah, wait, he has done it first.
May 20 18:41:07 <jacekowski> tybollt_: http://svn.jacekowski.org/chromium/trunk/
May 20 18:41:34 <jacekowski> you need svn client
May 20 18:42:05 <jacekowski> and you need some earlier revision
May 20 18:42:12 <jacekowski> latest one is broken
May 20 18:42:12 <GAN900> Shapeshifter / RST38h, http://www.barryboys.co.uk/
May 20 18:44:27 <Shapeshifter> GAN900: great
May 20 18:45:49 <RST38h> GAN: Oh yesss
May 20 18:49:40 <tekojo> Good night!
May 20 18:50:05 <navtis> hi hope you don't mind if I ask a n900 phone question here but looking for a quick response & thought folks here might be helpful
May 20 18:50:38 <navtis> I've just gone abroad with phone for first time and it hasn't pciked up any network at all
May 20 18:51:32 <budfive> where's "abroad"?
May 20 18:51:39 <navtis> I have working wifi, but effectively no phone
May 20 18:51:42 <navtis> italy
May 20 18:51:44 <DocScrutinizer> navtis: check settings app - phone - network selection
May 20 18:53:11 <RST38h> navtis: ever heard of roaming?
May 20 18:53:16 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to select manual mode for network selection, giving you a requester with all the networks found so you can pick one to roam to
May 20 18:53:17 <RST38h> have roaming enabled?
May 20 18:53:27 <navtis> says selection - automatic, mode - dual; roaming - always ask
May 20 18:53:44 <RST38h> no, do you have roaming enabled at your home provider?
May 20 18:54:00 <DocScrutinizer> if the network doesn't allow roaming with your provider, you'll get a notice and can select another
May 20 18:54:16 <timeless_mbp> navtis: what country are you in?
May 20 18:54:31 <timeless_mbp> i've been in italy w/ nokia phones
May 20 18:54:35 <navtis> rst38h: didn't explicitly ask for romaing, no (t-mobile)
May 20 18:54:45 * timeless_mbp tries to remember whether that included an n900
May 20 18:54:52 <DocScrutinizer> that's usually not needed
May 20 18:55:12 <satmd> t-mobile in which country?
May 20 18:55:19 <satmd> and where're you roaming at?
May 20 18:55:22 <navtis> manual selection: I have tim, win, vodafone IT, 3-ITA available in manual
May 20 18:55:23 <red> arghhh
May 20 18:55:26 <DocScrutinizer> navtis: click on network selection, click on manual
May 20 18:55:33 <red> cant the n900 play h264?
May 20 18:55:44 <navtis> satmd: have contract with t-mobile in uk, am in italy now
May 20 18:55:46 <timeless_mbp> i guess i was in torino in summer 2008
May 20 18:55:49 <red> im getting unable to play unsupported media type
May 20 18:55:52 <DocScrutinizer> navtis: select whatever network you think is the best to roam to
May 20 18:55:52 <timeless_mbp> which predates the n900 release
May 20 18:55:54 <satmd> hm
May 20 18:55:58 <timeless_mbp> so i wouldn't have had it there :(
May 20 18:56:16 <satmd> I *think* it should be vodafone
May 20 18:56:23 <RST38h> navtis: tmobile means that there is a good probability you can roam
May 20 18:56:29 <timeless_mbp> navtis: there's no real problem w/ trying each network in turn
May 20 18:56:31 <navtis> docscrutinizer: tried tim, says no access. trying the others...
May 20 18:56:34 <timeless_mbp> it's just time consuming
May 20 18:56:38 <satmd> true
May 20 18:56:41 <RST38h> navtis: *BUT* you should have explicitely ask tmobile to enable roaming for you before leaving
May 20 18:56:50 <timeless_mbp> yeah
May 20 18:57:01 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: for data yes, for phone call no
May 20 18:57:04 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, American Personal contracts don't enable international roaming by default
May 20 18:57:10 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
May 20 18:57:11 <navtis> rst38h: been to italy many times with other phones, always picked up automatically on partner of home provider before
May 20 18:57:16 <timeless_mbp> American corporate contracts do enable international roaming by default
May 20 18:57:18 <RST38h> navtis: and in any case, I would suggest against it, roaming charges may leave you without food and lodging =)
May 20 18:57:37 <timeless_mbp> yeah, having racked up huge bills in Europe
May 20 18:57:38 <RST38h> navtis: same sim card?
May 20 18:57:42 <timeless_mbp> I wouldn't suggest roaming data
May 20 18:57:44 <navtis> I Wind also says 'no access'
May 20 18:57:54 <RST38h> navtis: Basically, I suggest that you buy a local sim card from vodaphone
May 20 18:58:01 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: again mainly true for data roaming, not phonecall roaming
May 20 18:58:04 <RST38h> navtis: pay-as-you-go card
May 20 18:58:07 <navtis> vodafone: nno access
May 20 18:58:12 <timeless_mbp> yeah, grab a local sim card
May 20 18:58:18 <timeless_mbp> and setup skype or sip
May 20 18:58:22 <RST38h> navtis: And ask them to give you promotional data access
May 20 18:58:37 <timeless_mbp> RST38h: ooh, shiny
May 20 18:58:42 <RST38h> navtis: On Vodaphone, this should give you about 30MB, before the fuckers start charging you at 1 euro /MB
May 20 18:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: you're mad! local payg with DATA??? :-O
May 20 18:58:57 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: hey, i've never done it
May 20 18:59:01 <navtis> I don't want data roaming, just a working sodding phone
May 20 18:59:05 <timeless_mbp> i just bill my employer w/ my national sim :)
May 20 18:59:09 <timeless_mbp> (roaming)
May 20 18:59:19 <DocScrutinizer> navtis: what's your provider?
May 20 18:59:23 <RST38h> navtis: local card it is then
May 20 18:59:30 <navtis> last option 3ITA just hangs. So none of the networks are letting me connect
May 20 18:59:51 <timeless_mbp> iirc i was able to use 2 of the italian providers while i was there
May 20 18:59:58 <timeless_mbp> but agreements vary by provider
May 20 19:00:04 <DocScrutinizer> navtis: what's your provider?
May 20 19:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> that's why ^^^^
May 20 19:00:37 <RST38h> navtis: Last resort solution: catch a cat or a pair of small rodents of different genders, and sacrifice them to the Tentacled One. Make sure you collect all the blood.
May 20 19:00:38 <satmd> DocScrutinizer: t-mobile uk, he said
May 20 19:00:38 <navtis> timeless_mbp: you tried to 'grab a local sim' in italy? Need to register with police and all
May 20 19:00:55 <timeless_mbp> navtis: heh
May 20 19:00:55 <DocScrutinizer> t-mo should roam to t-mo worldwide
May 20 19:01:06 <satmd> there's no t-mobile there
May 20 19:01:06 <RST38h> navtis: really?
May 20 19:01:07 <timeless_mbp> no, i used a finnish sim in italy :)
May 20 19:01:09 <satmd> but vodafone it
May 20 19:01:12 <DocScrutinizer> but maybe they actually need enabling it
May 20 19:01:13 <navtis> so I guess I need to somehow contact t-mobile and have a go at them
May 20 19:01:21 <RST38h> vodaphone should handle it for tmobile afaik
May 20 19:01:30 <RST38h> navtis: that may help, yes
May 20 19:01:30 <satmd> you can safely try to roam with every option listed
May 20 19:01:34 <timeless_mbp> http://www.google.com/search?q=t-mobile%20roaming%20italy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
May 20 19:01:36 <satmd> there will be no cost if it fails
May 20 19:01:39 <timeless_mbp> http://www.t-mobile.com/International/RoamingOverview.aspx?tp=Inl_Tab_RoamWorldwide
May 20 19:01:40 <RST38h> navtis: at least they will be able ot tell you what to do
May 20 19:02:22 <navtis> timeless_mbp: thanks for url, am off to try that... will report back later.
May 20 19:02:30 <MohammadAG_> ~ping
May 20 19:02:31 <infobot> ~pong
May 20 19:02:33 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp has the right clue
May 20 19:02:52 <MohammadAG_> how the f***
May 20 19:02:59 <tybollt_> sssh MohammadAG_
May 20 19:03:18 <MohammadAG_> i switched to 3G
May 20 19:03:31 <MohammadAG_> yet i'm still here
May 20 19:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> and the building next to BTS exploded?
May 20 19:03:42 <satmd> lol
May 20 19:04:09 <satmd> for example you could have got the same ip again by random
May 20 19:04:27 <MohammadAG_> that's not possible
May 20 19:04:29 <DocScrutinizer> or it didn't really switch to 3G at all
May 20 19:04:50 <navtis> timeless_mbp: 'my t-mobile is currently disabled while we work to improve the site for you'!!! Sigh...
May 20 19:04:50 <DocScrutinizer> is there a "3" under the signal bar?
May 20 19:05:13 <DocScrutinizer> a "3G" actually
May 20 19:05:18 <MohammadAG_> 3.5
May 20 19:05:19 <DocScrutinizer> or a "35"
May 20 19:05:19 <timeless_mbp> navtis: awesome
May 20 19:05:26 <yuizy_> how many of you have had the usb problem?
May 20 19:05:35 <MohammadAG_> hsdpa
May 20 19:05:39 <timeless_mbp> yuizy_:  "the usb problem"?
May 20 19:05:43 <DocScrutinizer> hspa even
May 20 19:05:49 <MohammadAG_> host mode?
May 20 19:05:55 <MohammadAG_> hsupa?
May 20 19:06:01 <DocScrutinizer> hspa == hsdpa + hsupa
May 20 19:06:07 <MohammadAG_> that's 3.75G
May 20 19:06:15 <DocScrutinizer> nope
May 20 19:06:17 <yuizy_> timeless_mbp: the "connector" comes out or something like that
May 20 19:06:29 <MohammadAG_> oh
May 20 19:06:31 <mikhas> that's hardware, not usb =p
May 20 19:06:33 <MohammadAG_> nlt me
May 20 19:06:37 <MohammadAG_> not*
May 20 19:07:34 <RST38h> Doc: What is the actual difference between HSUPA and HSDPA?
May 20 19:07:39 <jacekowski> besides, what's that 3.5G?
May 20 19:07:42 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: "3.5" means any combination of HSDPA and HSUPA is in effect, with at least one of them non-null
May 20 19:07:45 <yuizy_> i just returned my device for the second time
May 20 19:08:15 <jacekowski> what's difference between 3.5 and 3?
May 20 19:08:17 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: it doesn't say anything about the real bandwidth neither up- nor downstream
May 20 19:08:20 <yuizy_> i'm not sure if i'm doing something wrong or is it just bad luck
May 20 19:08:43 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: "3G" is neither HSDPA nor HSUPA in effect
May 20 19:08:44 <RST38h> Ah I see it, it is link direction
May 20 19:08:51 <RST38h> Uplink and Downlink
May 20 19:09:00 <jacekowski> so what's 3G?
May 20 19:09:09 <jacekowski> what is it using then
May 20 19:09:11 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: "3G" is neither HSDPA nor HSUPA in effect
May 20 19:09:19 <jacekowski> so it's 2G then
May 20 19:09:20 <DocScrutinizer> UMTS
May 20 19:09:30 <DocScrutinizer> plain vanilla UMTS = 3G
May 20 19:09:43 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 20 19:09:45 <DocScrutinizer> UMTS + HSP?A = 3.5
May 20 19:09:48 <MohammadAG_> jacekowski, logic fail
May 20 19:09:57 <DocScrutinizer> GSM GPRS = 2G
May 20 19:10:08 <DocScrutinizer> GSM GPRS + EDGE = 2.5
May 20 19:10:24 <MohammadAG_> if it's not 3G it could be 4G
May 20 19:10:35 <MohammadAG_> logic fail there ^
May 20 19:10:37 <DocScrutinizer> 4G = LTE
May 20 19:10:40 <RST38h> "4G" is used for WiMax and the LTE
May 20 19:10:45 <DocScrutinizer> LTE != UMTS
May 20 19:10:50 <jacekowski> HSUPA + HSDPA+ UMTS=3.501G?
May 20 19:11:03 <RST38h> (although using it for WiMax is probably incorrect)
May 20 19:11:15 <jacekowski> so wifi is where with all these G's
May 20 19:11:15 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski:  "3.5" means any combination of HSDPA and HSUPA is in effect, with at least one of them non-null
May 20 19:11:48 <RST38h> isn't HSUPA kinda useless for client apps like a browser?
May 20 19:11:55 <DocScrutinizer> WiFi is 802.11
May 20 19:11:59 <DocScrutinizer> not xG
May 20 19:12:07 <RST38h> 802.11 a/b/g
May 20 19:12:19 <RST38h> oh I forgot n :)
May 20 19:12:19 <jacekowski> 802.11G
May 20 19:12:20 <DocScrutinizer> xG is a marketing term anyway, rather meaningless technically
May 20 19:12:31 <Surfa> RST38h, not quite useless
May 20 19:13:02 <Surfa> there are plenty of sites that enable uploading..
May 20 19:13:21 <RST38h> yes but how often do you upload?
May 20 19:13:35 <Surfa> not me, but some people do
May 20 19:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: anyway if it's available, it's a nice-to-have
May 20 19:14:16 <RST38h> yea
May 20 19:14:17 <Surfa> and i think hsupa has some effect on rtt too
May 20 19:14:26 <DocScrutinizer> for sure
May 20 19:14:29 <Surfa> which is really nice for bowser too
May 20 19:14:36 * MohammadAG_ gives DocScrutinizer a "We need to put "echo host >mode" to work, we needto switch PHY chip to host config which is 2* pulldown R. " T-Shirt and mug
May 20 19:14:37 <Surfa> or browser
May 20 19:14:55 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: cool :-D thanks
May 20 19:15:24 * RST38h notices that he would not believe it if someone told him 10 years ago that he would be accessing the Net via his phone on a bus
May 20 19:16:17 <Arkenoi> rst38h: actually i did that 10 years ago
May 20 19:16:22 <Surfa> 10 years ago it was almost possible already :)
May 20 19:16:30 <Arkenoi> not almost, done that
May 20 19:16:48 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Well, I also did it with WAP, but one could not call the "Internet"
May 20 19:16:51 <Surfa> ehm.. talkin about wap or real ner?
May 20 19:16:52 <jaska> i remember ircing with a 9000i back in the day.. was a sedan not a bus tho
May 20 19:16:55 <RST38h> s/the/it
May 20 19:16:59 <Arkenoi> RST38h, not wap, ssh and web
May 20 19:17:04 <RST38h> Arkenoi: AMPS?
May 20 19:17:15 <Surfa> what phone are you talking about now?
May 20 19:17:33 <RST38h> Surfa: there was exactly one phone like that
May 20 19:17:46 <RST38h> Nokia 9xxx series =)
May 20 19:17:57 <Arkenoi> RST38h, 10 years ago was 2000, so it was my *third* generation communicator and *fourth* model
May 20 19:18:09 <RST38h> Actually, Palm people also had a connected model but it was kinda pitiful
May 20 19:18:09 <jaska> iirc in 2000 there was atleast 9110
May 20 19:18:25 <Arkenoi> 9210
May 20 19:18:26 <jaska> 9110 was ... 1998 i think?
May 20 19:18:30 <Arkenoi> so it already had ssh
May 20 19:18:36 <jaska> 9000 and 9000i were even earlier
May 20 19:18:46 <Arkenoi> 9110 had telnet only, so i used s/key
May 20 19:19:10 <Surfa> gaah.. so long time ago.. can't remember anymore.. and don't really care :)
May 20 19:19:37 <DocScrutinizer> done that (accessing internet) ~11 years ago. CSD is the key term
May 20 19:19:49 <DocScrutinizer> 9600Bd up/down
May 20 19:19:54 <Arkenoi> yes
May 20 19:19:56 <Arkenoi> me too
May 20 19:19:57 <Surfa> whopee.. csd
May 20 19:19:57 <jaska> and cost $$$$
May 20 19:20:01 <jaska> per minute :)
May 20 19:20:03 <Arkenoi> from 9000i i started with
May 20 19:20:03 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 20 19:20:06 <DrGrov> But seriously
May 20 19:20:08 <DrGrov> PR 1.2?
May 20 19:20:13 <Surfa> coming
May 20 19:20:24 <jaska> drgrov: sometime before proton decay.
May 20 19:20:26 <Arkenoi> $0.05/min
May 20 19:20:26 <Surfa> wait a week or two or three or
May 20 19:20:37 <DrGrov> How about connecting the N900 on a Ubuntu machine? Can I get out something nice of it?
May 20 19:20:52 <trumee> guys anybody using ps3 sixaxis kernel. does it void the warranty?
May 20 19:21:12 <DocScrutinizer> lolwut??
May 20 19:21:33 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I'm running a BS2000 on my N900
May 20 19:21:46 <jaska> mainframe?
May 20 19:21:52 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 20 19:22:01 <DocScrutinizer> aka big iron
May 20 19:22:14 <jacekowski> trumee: as long as you are not overclocking you are safe
May 20 19:22:16 <Arkenoi> what is bs2000?
May 20 19:22:20 <jaska> oh, bs2k actually runs on x86
May 20 19:22:27 <trumee> jacekowski: cool
May 20 19:22:33 <jacekowski> trumee: in terms of hardware part of warranty
May 20 19:22:33 <jaska> where has the world gone
May 20 19:22:49 <jacekowski> trumee: if you fuck up software so much that it can't be flashed again
May 20 19:22:59 <jacekowski> trumee: then you voided software side of warranty
May 20 19:23:14 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000
May 20 19:23:16 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: siemens?
May 20 19:23:20 <jaska> well, as long as bootloader is there cant you reflash?:)
May 20 19:23:24 <DocScrutinizer> yep,
May 20 19:23:25 <jaska> or has that changed since n810
May 20 19:23:32 <jacekowski> jaska: you can
May 20 19:23:44 <jaska> ok, so i dont need to worry much
May 20 19:23:47 <DocScrutinizer> been hunted by siemens all my life
May 20 19:23:51 <jacekowski> jaska: but some people might want to start screwing around with bootloader
May 20 19:23:52 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: i had a siemens pc-d and a MX2 or something
May 20 19:24:03 <trumee> jacekowski: dont think i would bring it such a level.
May 20 19:24:05 <Stskeeps> running SINIX
May 20 19:24:29 <jaska> sinner
May 20 19:24:35 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, natively? hercules? qemu?
May 20 19:24:39 <DocScrutinizer> heh, I'm living next to Siemens-town
May 20 19:24:50 <trumee> using sip calls over wifi when bluetooth is on is real crap
May 20 19:25:16 <trumee> i have lost the fun of using bluetooth headset
May 20 19:25:31 <trumee> sip calls crap out
May 20 19:25:46 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: natively, just the swappable magnetic rigid disk stacks aren't supported yet ;-P
May 20 19:25:57 <Arkenoi> :-))
May 20 19:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> and the punchcard reader
May 20 19:26:21 <trumee> anybody using BH-214?
May 20 19:26:44 <Surfa> trumee, surprised as wifi and bt are so close in freq range?
May 20 19:27:07 <Surfa> their coexistence in general is quite tricky
May 20 19:27:07 <trumee> Surfa: maybe that is the problem
May 20 19:27:19 <Surfa> it is
May 20 19:27:49 <trumee> Surfa: what if the channel of wifi  is changed?
May 20 19:28:01 <Surfa> doesn't really matter
May 20 19:28:13 <Surfa> in devices radios take turns anyway
May 20 19:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> Surfa: on N900 BT/WLAN coexistence should work on a harware level afaik
May 20 19:28:27 <trumee> Surfa: i dont have a problem listening to streaming music when using bluetooth.
May 20 19:28:34 <frals> y
May 20 19:28:37 <Surfa> antennas are so close so basically they can't work at the same time
May 20 19:28:38 <frals> ops
May 20 19:28:45 <RST38h> wazd: around?
May 20 19:28:48 <Robot101> it's the same antenna
May 20 19:28:49 <trumee> Surfa: only have issue with sip calls
May 20 19:28:56 <Robot101> as DocScrutinizer says, the hw does it...
May 20 19:28:56 <wazd> RST38h: sure :)
May 20 19:29:05 <DocScrutinizer> Surfa: there's just ONE antenna on N900 for BT & WLAN
May 20 19:29:06 <lcuk> frals :p that was meant for console
May 20 19:29:13 <flux> I had some issues with a BH-somesome and wlan streaming, but then they went away
May 20 19:29:19 <Surfa> DocScrutinizer, it's possible too
May 20 19:29:27 <frals> lcuk: yepp ^^
May 20 19:29:30 <Surfa> DocScrutinizer, some devices have separate
May 20 19:29:37 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 20 19:29:43 <DocScrutinizer> not N900 though
May 20 19:29:46 <trumee> flux: no streaming issues here. only sip calls have a problem
May 20 19:29:46 <lcuk> frals, i do it randomly
May 20 19:29:56 <DocScrutinizer> Robot101: o/
May 20 19:30:02 <Surfa> DocScrutinizer, doesn't make any difference anyway :)
May 20 19:30:03 <flux> trumee, haven't tried SIP.
May 20 19:30:16 <RST38h> wazd: Check out this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51405
May 20 19:30:28 <DocScrutinizer> Surfa: yep. but hw-coexistence makes a lot of a difference
May 20 19:30:38 <RST38h> wazd: Basically, whoever is currently hacking at Maemo Mapper is asking for icons
May 20 19:30:46 <RST38h> (and yes, the current set is ugly like hell
May 20 19:30:49 <wazd> RST38h: hah
May 20 19:31:04 <Surfa> DocScrutinizer, mm yes.. but their co existence is tricky anyway.. no matter what hw is :)
May 20 19:31:12 <trumee> flux: sip calls stutter a lot
May 20 19:31:15 <wazd> RST38h: ironicaly, I was thinking bout helping mapper with icons bymyself :D
May 20 19:31:22 <wazd> RST38h: seriously :)
May 20 19:31:24 <trumee> maybe i need to file a bug
May 20 19:31:26 * RST38h rotfls slightly
May 20 19:31:27 <DocScrutinizer> Surfa: aiui it's a rather simple time slice scheme
May 20 19:31:55 <Surfa> DocScrutinizer, yep.. but it's always about compromises who go first and who needs how much time
May 20 19:32:04 <DocScrutinizer> yes, ack
May 20 19:32:15 <DocScrutinizer> A2DP might bork WLAN
May 20 19:32:20 <Surfa> and eventually it causes problems :(
May 20 19:32:24 <DocScrutinizer> or vice versa
May 20 19:32:55 <wazd> RST38h: cause I've started to use mapper 2 days ago :)
May 20 19:34:40 <Arkenoi> and still only google and osm predefined, no yandex
May 20 19:37:09 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: in the middle of the call if i disable bluetooth headset (by pressing headset button) the call is great. if i fesume bluetooth the stuttering starts
May 20 19:39:22 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: but music streaming over bluetooth is perfect
May 20 19:39:38 <trumee> guess this is a bluetooth bug
May 20 19:40:33 * trumee wonders are bluez libs so buggy on the desktop as well!
May 20 19:40:55 <Surfa> well
May 20 19:41:14 <Surfa> music streaming may be buffered better than voip calls
May 20 19:41:22 <flux> trumee, well, it remains to be considered if it is possible to make it work, given the protocols and hardware
May 20 19:42:01 <trumee> Surfa: yup buffering could be an issue
May 20 19:42:04 <Surfa> i don't think those two are comparable
May 20 19:42:08 <flux> I guess someone with access to both wlan and bluetooth analyzers and a bunch of related knowledge could determine that :)
May 20 19:42:28 <Surfa> i kind of have.. but not for maemo
May 20 19:42:39 <Surfa> just a sophisticated guess
May 20 19:42:45 <trumee> Surfa: i wouldnt mind a buffered sip call though :)
May 20 19:42:56 <Surfa> yes you would :)
May 20 19:43:15 <flux> I was of course referring to actual hardware that can accurately store all what is happening, down to bluetooth/wlan collisions and retransmissions
May 20 19:43:16 <Surfa> conversational class is pretty sensitive for delays
May 20 19:43:29 <flux> (but perhaps you have acces to that)
May 20 19:43:46 <MohammadAG_> somewhere, something is leaking memory on my device
May 20 19:44:09 <flux> mohammadag_, how do you figure?
May 20 19:44:31 <trumee> Surfa: buffered is better than lot of atuttering
May 20 19:44:32 <Surfa> flux, radio protocol buffering isn't very good solution there
May 20 19:45:02 <Surfa> trumee, well.. depends on delays
May 20 19:45:04 <flux> surfa, well, it could still just be a bug, and that radio-wise there are no issues in making that work
May 20 19:45:25 <Surfa> flux, sure.. don't know details of course
May 20 19:49:06 <MohammadAG_> flux, free memory is 5MBs
May 20 19:50:07 <flux> mohammadag_, as reported by.. ?
May 20 19:50:52 <mikhas> MohammadAG, what's the uptime?
May 20 19:51:29 <GAN900> I'm sorry
May 20 19:51:44 <GAN900> But the Porsche Panamera has to be a joke.
May 20 19:51:54 <Cabletwitch> Yo
May 20 19:53:30 <pupnik> ruins the brand GAN900  just like that 4wd joke
May 20 19:53:52 <Cabletwitch> Ahh, the expensive Toureg?
May 20 19:54:54 <pupnik> the brand / image has power by being a specialty mfgr
May 20 19:59:54 <Cabletwitch> Slightly less interesting question, but what file holds all the listings for the tracker?
May 20 20:01:29 <SpeedEvil> It's in ~config/tracker/ IIRC
May 20 20:01:53 <SpeedEvil> err
May 20 20:01:59 <SpeedEvil> ~config/.cache
May 20 20:02:07 <Cabletwitch> You can probably guess that I'm still going mental with this bloody phantom file business.
May 20 20:02:42 <GAN900> pupnik, ugh, the 997 Turbo
May 20 20:02:56 <GAN900> pupnik, how the hell can you make it AWD
May 20 20:03:09 <GAN900> The 959 was one thing, but damn.
May 20 20:04:34 <GAN900> pupnik, the Cayenne actually bothers me less than this sedan.
May 20 20:04:47 <Cabletwitch> Speed: When you guys give paths, where are you starting from?
May 20 20:05:02 <SpeedEvil> ~ means home
May 20 20:05:06 <SpeedEvil> err
May 20 20:05:11 <SpeedEvil> I meant ~/.cache
May 20 20:05:26 <SpeedEvil> ~ means /home/username
May 20 20:05:31 <Cabletwitch> Right, understood.
May 20 20:05:32 <SpeedEvil> for user - /home/user
May 20 20:05:38 <Cabletwitch> Gotcha.
May 20 20:05:40 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - tired.
May 20 20:05:57 <SpeedEvil> Most everything after X comes up - runs as user
May 20 20:06:32 <GAN900> At least that's a market segment that hadn't really been filled.
May 20 20:06:42 <GAN900> But they're up against stuff like the M5 here.
May 20 20:06:42 <Cabletwitch> Its ok, I'm using the GPE graphical file manager atm, makes it easier for me to explore.
May 20 20:07:22 <Cabletwitch> Now... I'm going to guess its file-whaterver that holds the listings?
May 20 20:07:36 <Cabletwitch> The other being email related.
May 20 20:07:58 <SpeedEvil> I think so
May 20 20:09:19 <Cabletwitch> Hard resetting the tracker doesnt remove these spurious entries, so I'm pondering manual removal of them instead. How can I stop the tracker to unlock the database files?
May 20 20:10:01 <SpeedEvil> stop tracker
May 20 20:10:16 <Cabletwitch> Heh, easy enough.
May 20 20:10:29 <SpeedEvil> Actually - no
May 20 20:10:44 <Cabletwitch> Or not... unkown job
May 20 20:10:49 <Cabletwitch> Unknown even
May 20 20:11:16 <SpeedEvil> I think kill tracker will kill it dead - after you kill it three times
May 20 20:11:31 <Cabletwitch> Ok, I'll give that a try.
May 20 20:11:51 <Cabletwitch> bad pid tracker
May 20 20:12:55 <SpeedEvil>  /etc/osso-af-init/tracker.sh stop even.
May 20 20:14:00 <Cabletwitch> Hmm... no process killed?
May 20 20:14:11 <mikhas> you need to chain up Tracker in the basement
May 20 20:14:22 <SpeedEvil> check it - and it shouldn't be running
May 20 20:14:35 <Cabletwitch> I do. And beat it till it stops making my life hell.
May 20 20:14:38 <mikhas> you could try modifying its config file, so that it wouldnt scan anything
May 20 20:14:42 <mikhas> then restart
May 20 20:14:50 <Cabletwitch> Seems to be dead.
May 20 20:15:00 * mikhas hides from the wrath of ivan
May 20 20:15:26 <Cabletwitch> Files have been nuked.
May 20 20:15:37 <Cabletwitch> Now, how do I restart it?
May 20 20:15:42 <SpeedEvil> This stuff fucking needs manpages.
May 20 20:15:43 <SpeedEvil> :/
May 20 20:15:49 <Cabletwitch> (This is all very useful, btw.)
May 20 20:15:49 <SpeedEvil> same command - with start
May 20 20:15:51 <SpeedEvil> (as user)
May 20 20:15:57 <SpeedEvil> you need to get with grep
May 20 20:16:03 <mikhas> or just dont =p
May 20 20:16:07 <SpeedEvil> grep -r string /etc
May 20 20:16:15 <Cabletwitch> I need to not do this on the way to work.
May 20 20:16:20 <SpeedEvil> Will answer much of this.
May 20 20:16:22 <SpeedEvil> Oh :)
May 20 20:18:21 <Cabletwitch> I tend to poke about on irc when travelling, and thats when I remember to ask you guys things.
May 20 20:18:28 <Cabletwitch> Looking good so far...
May 20 20:18:58 <Cabletwitch> Might need to reboot. See you all in a while!
May 20 20:24:06 <Cabletwitch> Speed, you're a diamond :O)
May 20 20:24:41 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 20 20:24:57 <Cabletwitch> Seems to have nuked the issue good and proper. One of the db files was 34MB... an indication something was a bit wrong :O)
May 20 20:25:10 <SpeedEvil> Regrettably I'm not otherwise I could sacrifice a toenail and have my financial worries sorted.
May 20 20:25:12 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 20 20:27:25 <Cabletwitch> Ahh, you're valuable to this noob at least ,O)
May 20 20:27:31 <Cabletwitch> ;O) even.
May 20 20:27:44 <Cabletwitch> Anyway, to work. Catch you later!
May 20 20:27:56 <Gadgetoid_nc10> Anyone use the OtterBox for N900?
May 20 20:35:31 <pupnik_> sorry for a stupid question but i'm tired:  how do i echo -n "" >> a file  (to create a newline) ?
May 20 20:35:36 <pupnik_> in maemo5 /n900
May 20 20:36:31 <Gadgetoid_nc10> pupnik_   vi ftw :D
May 20 20:36:38 <mikhas> pupnik_, echo -e "\n" ?
May 20 20:36:55 <mikhas> or just cat
May 20 20:37:10 <BCMM> pupnik_: do you mean put a newline in a file?
May 20 20:37:29 <BCMM> pupnik_: just echo >> file should do that
May 20 20:37:37 <pupnik_> ty mikhas - that worked
May 20 20:37:55 <pupnik_> dunno why echo wasn't giving me newlines
May 20 20:38:10 <BCMM> if you need an empty line, as in two newlines, echo -e \\n >> file
May 20 20:41:39 * Arkenoi thinks i will wait a few more days and install leakware then, my patience is out
May 20 20:42:42 <MohammadAG_> topic
May 20 20:43:30 <barisione> zaheerm: was it you asking for the facebook thing?
May 20 20:43:33 <barisione> I published it: http://blog.barisione.org/2010-05/merge-back-your-facebook-contacts/
May 20 20:46:28 <zaheerm> barisione, awesome
May 20 20:46:30 <zaheerm> thx
May 20 20:46:59 <barisione> no problem, but if it eats all of your contacts or kill your kitten it's not my fault!
May 20 20:49:03 <zaheerm> ok i will take a backup :)
May 20 20:50:26 <zaheerm> no kittens alive here :(
May 20 20:51:18 <MohammadAG_> why oh why do people email my maintainer's address
May 20 20:51:54 <timeless_mbp> why not? :)
May 20 20:51:59 <timeless_mbp> if it's there, people will email it
May 20 21:10:20 <GAN900> One heart for the brainstorm post.
May 20 21:10:23 <GAN900> You guys suck
May 20 21:10:30 <Dima202> ?
May 20 21:10:35 <pupnik_> link pls?
May 20 21:10:45 <GAN900> How am I ever going to catch up to Jaffa and his mwkn whoring at this rate?
May 20 21:11:18 <GAN900> http://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorming_maemo-org_2010/
May 20 21:13:52 <pupnik_> GAN900: my suggestion would be to delete unused stuff / stuff nobody wants to maintain
May 20 21:14:08 <pupnik_> i am getting kind of a crufty sense of things
May 20 21:14:34 <GAN900> pupnik_, yeah, I'd like to do that to most of GForge.
May 20 21:14:40 <wazd> just rename maemo.org into meego.org and give it up
May 20 21:14:50 <satmd> pointless comment
May 20 21:14:53 <satmd> I do one, too
May 20 21:14:54 <GAN900> pupnik_, I keep planning to have a content deletion meeting.
May 20 21:15:05 <pupnik_> please message me for that :)
May 20 21:16:00 * pupnik_ will have duct-tape on the quick-draw for the whiners
May 20 21:40:53 <FIQ> rootfs                  227.9M    217.0M      6.7M  97% /
May 20 21:40:56 <FIQ> sounds good
May 20 21:41:11 <FIQ> should go and uninstall things i guess
May 20 21:41:42 <MohammadAG_> ubi0:rootfs             232868    192808     35780  84% /
May 20 21:41:43 <MohammadAG_> ha!
May 20 21:41:59 <FIQ> meh
May 20 21:42:17 <FIQ> hmm
May 20 21:42:27 <MohammadAG_> SDK repo enabled btw
May 20 21:42:40 <FIQ> ;_;
May 20 21:42:43 <FIQ> wait, what
May 20 21:42:51 <FIQ> SDK repo enabled on phone?
May 20 21:42:57 <MohammadAG_> yes...
May 20 21:42:59 <FIQ> wouldn't that break things?
May 20 21:43:02 <MohammadAG_> which is why i said ha!
May 20 21:43:05 <MohammadAG_> it would
May 20 21:43:23 <FIQ> anyway
May 20 21:43:24 <MohammadAG_> actually
May 20 21:43:25 <MohammadAG_> it should
May 20 21:43:48 <FIQ> wouldn't it be possible to repartioning like 256 megs in the swap to the root?
May 20 21:44:01 <FIQ> it's small and i never use 512meg swap anyway
May 20 21:44:08 <MohammadAG_> 768*
May 20 21:44:23 <MohammadAG_> move root to the eMMC, suffer with a slow system
May 20 21:44:35 <MohammadAG_> by move i don't mean using mv and ln -s
May 20 21:44:36 <FIQ> hmm
May 20 21:44:42 <N900evil>  / is only 256m
May 20 21:44:45 <FIQ> lol
May 20 21:44:57 <MohammadAG_> OneNAND is 256
May 20 21:45:10 <MohammadAG_> move / to the eMMC, problem of low space solved
May 20 21:45:23 <MohammadAG_> problem of slownessness created
May 20 21:45:24 <FIQ> my point is - shrinking swap to 0.5G and enlarging rootfs to 0.5G
May 20 21:45:37 <FIQ> both of them sits on NAND iirc?
May 20 21:45:46 <MohammadAG_> no
May 20 21:45:55 <MohammadAG_> Swap is also on the eMMC
May 20 21:45:55 <FIQ> hmm, swap is on MMC?
May 20 21:45:57 <FIQ> ok
May 20 21:45:59 <MohammadAG_> sadly
May 20 21:46:10 <MohammadAG_> if it wasn't on the eMMC wouldn't it be ram?
May 20 21:46:16 <MohammadAG_> also imo
May 20 21:46:38 <MohammadAG_> moving swap to the onenand might compensate for the slowness of running the device of the eMMC
May 20 21:46:49 <MohammadAG_> off*
May 20 21:47:24 <johnsq> not using memory eater and using native application would also speed the things up.
May 20 21:49:21 <FIQ> how fast is emmc compared to sd?
May 20 21:49:53 <mikhas> johnsq, =)
May 20 21:50:17 <SpeedEvil> about the same speed
May 20 21:50:22 <FIQ> ok
May 20 21:51:05 <GAN900> If only we had an Intel X18-M
May 20 21:51:13 <GAN900> Then all of our problems would be solved.
May 20 21:51:24 <valdyn> whole io is slow in my sporadic tests, where the mmc is not even a bottlneck
May 20 21:53:53 <FIQ> a what?
May 20 21:54:35 <valdyn> bottleneck
May 20 21:55:20 <SpeedEvil> For all the devices - it's nonlinear write that is th enasty case.
May 20 21:55:25 <SpeedEvil> how bad this is varies.
May 20 21:55:25 <valdyn> but for the nand the n900 could be doing execute in place? I wouldnt know
May 20 21:55:32 <SpeedEvil> valdyn: no
May 20 21:55:39 <SpeedEvil> you can't do XIP with nand - generally
May 20 21:55:49 <SpeedEvil> As it's got built-in errors.
May 20 21:57:19 <valdyn> I see
May 20 21:58:39 <FIQ> hmm
May 20 21:58:57 <FIQ> i'm not a linux veteran even if i have some experience with it
May 20 21:59:07 <FIQ> but this doesn't make sense for me
May 20 21:59:18 <FIQ> rootfs                  227.9M    217.7M      6.0M  97% /
May 20 21:59:37 <FIQ> 227.9-217.7 != 6.0
May 20 21:59:46 <SpeedEvil> FIQ: 5% for /
May 20 21:59:50 <SpeedEvil> for root
May 20 22:00:00 <valdyn> FIQ: reserved space for root only
May 20 22:00:02 <MohammadAG_> /root*
May 20 22:00:27 <FIQ> ok
May 20 22:01:48 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 20 22:04:20 <FIQ> nokia should let users drop into a console (but still enable possibility to flash) drop into a console on errors. D:
May 20 22:04:30 <FIQ> iirc it just shows a nokia logo
May 20 22:04:39 <MohammadAG_> you can drop into a console
May 20 22:04:47 <MohammadAG_> compile a custom kernel
May 20 22:04:52 <FIQ> lol dublette
May 20 22:05:01 <MohammadAG_> not really
May 20 22:05:02 <FIQ> (yay my english)
May 20 22:05:37 <FIQ> i meant "drop into a console (text) drop into a console"
May 20 22:05:44 <FIQ> ^ that one
May 20 22:05:53 <SpeedEvil> there is a way to drop into a script if you start with keyboard open
May 20 22:05:56 <SpeedEvil> then just do that
May 20 22:06:06 <MohammadAG_> script not console
May 20 22:06:33 <SpeedEvil> script that opens console
May 20 22:06:34 <FIQ> well, that's the thing bootmenu use i guess
May 20 22:06:34 <FIQ> :p
May 20 22:07:30 <FIQ> oooo massjoins
May 20 22:07:44 <FIQ> eh
May 20 22:07:55 <FIQ> were it a netsplit before?
May 20 22:27:38 <djkrikke> Hi guys, this week I always cancelled my phone calls by accident. Every time a person calls me, I need to get my n900 out of the case it is in, and by taking it out, I touch the red "reject" button _very_ often
May 20 22:27:58 <djkrikke> isn't there any way to disable this button for "soft" touches, or just make something to slide to unlock?
May 20 22:29:34 <thunderfest__> there is a hardware slide  lock
May 20 22:29:49 <djkrikke> thunderfest__: what do you mean?
May 20 22:30:11 <MohammadAG_> what soft touches
May 20 22:30:15 <lcuk> djkrikke, right hand side of device is a pysical hard slide lock
May 20 22:30:21 <djkrikke> lcuk: I know
May 20 22:30:31 <thunderfest__> thats what I'm talking about
May 20 22:30:32 <lcuk> ahh missed first line
May 20 22:30:39 <MohammadAG_> he was clearing up what thunderfest__ said
May 20 22:31:15 <djkrikke> I have a small bag to put my n900 in, and when I open the take the bag and open it to get the phone out, I press answer/reject almost every time. That's really annoying
May 20 22:32:43 <djkrikke> seems like a lot of people are having these problems on the forum
May 20 22:32:45 <djkrikke> " Same here - even in a pouch in my pocket I often end up cancelling a call while getting it out my pocket. "
May 20 22:32:46 <Kegetys> there's a bug on that and brainstorm for slide buttons for answer etc. but afaik nokia has said they are idiots and aren't going to change it
May 20 22:33:00 <Viliny_on_N900> libqt4-core 462... where do you get that?
May 20 22:33:45 <djkrikke> so there really isn't any solution already?
May 20 22:34:16 <Kegetys> not that I know of, and the related components probably are closed source
May 20 22:34:55 <djkrikke> reason is I'm really getting crazy from this dropped calls, I do have this phone as a mobile internet device, but as i can't answer calls, it's useless
May 20 22:35:01 <lcuk> find the bugs.maemo.org bug relating to this issue if filed
May 20 22:35:05 <Kegetys> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/actions_when_device_is_locked_and_a_event_like_aleart-alarm_or_call_happens/
May 20 22:35:09 <Kegetys> you can vote for it there
May 20 22:35:18 <Arkenoi> btw why if you plug microUSB cable into any "USB charger", it does *not* charge?
May 20 22:35:37 <Viliny_on_N900> anyone have a clue about libqt? really starting to find lots of apps depending on it
May 20 22:35:43 <thunderfest> oh I see when a call comes in the screen unlocks even if it is hardware locked...sorry I just got my n900 yesterday and I'm still getting used to it
May 20 22:35:58 <djkrikke> thunderfest: no problem, that's the case indeed
May 20 22:36:30 <KMFDM> Viliny_on_N900, they are compiled for PR1.2 you ahve tow ait until its release
May 20 22:36:44 <Kegetys> its quite silly to rely on the proximity sensor alone, in my winter coat when the phone is laying on its back in the pocket the proximity sensor doesnt trigger and I rejected/answered the call every time I poked my hand in the pocket
May 20 22:37:18 <Viliny_on_N900> kmfdm ok thank you... damn :/
May 20 22:37:22 <Shapeshifter> Viliny_on_N900: there's a workaround. you can enable the SDK repo, install/update the new qt, then *disable* the SDK repo. don't update anything else or you'll break everything.
May 20 22:37:38 <djkrikke> Kegetys: it is a littlebit stupid there is no other solution at this moment indeed
May 20 22:37:43 <Viliny_on_N900> rather not risk it then :p
May 20 22:37:54 <Shapeshifter> Viliny_on_N900: it's no problem if you only install qt
May 20 22:38:17 <Viliny_on_N900> ok :)
May 20 22:38:29 <Viliny_on_N900> details on repo?
May 20 22:39:28 <Viliny_on_N900> sdk free armel?
May 20 22:40:36 <Shapeshifter> Viliny_on_N900: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=654370&postcount=1
May 20 22:40:44 <Shapeshifter> Viliny_on_N900: read that carefully
May 20 22:41:07 <thunderfest> I am just testing things out and I am surprised to find that most of my binaries compiled under the maemo 4 SDK run fine on my n900 without recompile to maemo 5 sdk
May 20 22:41:41 <djkrikke> there is a guy on whirlpool forums telling there is a program to modify the behavior of the calls answering, delaying it or something, does such program exist?
May 20 22:47:14 <ds3> 7
May 20 22:52:32 <Termana> good morning
May 20 22:54:36 <thunderfest> <Termana> its well into the evening for me but good day to you
May 20 22:59:53 <Shapeshifter> ~ugt
May 20 22:59:54 <infobot> from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
May 20 23:02:10 <thunderfest> shapesshifter: well I'm sorry for sharing that its dinner time around these parts. I won't do it again.
May 20 23:15:27 <thunderfest> 2.5G is not as slow as I thought it would be
May 20 23:15:50 <lcuk> thunderfest, for irc its pretty unnoticable
May 20 23:16:35 <SpeedEvil> Unless you type really fast.
May 20 23:17:20 <lcuk> sure SpeedEvil but thats rarely an issue
May 20 23:17:31 <lcuk> unless you are GAN900 and can type at 900wps
May 20 23:18:19 <SpeedEvil> Yes, but not everyone can do 84 finger typing. :)
May 20 23:18:44 <lcuk> only needs 38 ;)
May 20 23:50:24 <kdubois> is there a glade version that supports hildon widgets?
May 20 23:55:23 <tripzero> doubtfully
May 20 23:57:52 <GAN900> Trying to login to Midgard
May 20 23:57:58 <GAN900> to fix the stupid formatting issue and it wont freaking login
May 21 00:02:40 <GAN900> How is it that every time we add capacity it helps for about a week and then falls back to pre-upgrade speeds.
May 21 00:02:59 <SpeedEvil> People use it more?
May 21 00:04:38 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, dunno, but I'm so tired of waiting minutes at a time for things to submit.
May 21 00:04:50 * b-man sighs
May 21 00:08:26 <b-man> apparently there is a WebGL-enabled version of phonegap on github :)
May 21 00:08:38 <b-man> for maemo
May 21 00:19:18 <pigeon> what's the diff between MSN and MSN(Haze)?
May 21 00:32:19 <iluminator101> how do i access video folder in  mameo terminal
May 21 00:32:37 <SpeedEvil>  ~/MyDocs/.videos
May 21 00:32:41 <SpeedEvil> or .video
May 21 00:32:44 <SpeedEvil> I don't remember
May 21 00:34:19 <iluminator101> .videos thanks Speed*
May 21 00:34:42 <SpeedEvil> np
May 21 00:37:07 <iluminator101> i run mplayer .wmv files but no sound
May 21 00:37:29 <iluminator101> why
May 21 00:38:24 <iluminator101> is there videolan player for maemo
May 21 01:12:46 <GAN900> $50 for a Pre
May 21 01:13:04 <pigeon> $50?
May 21 01:13:08 <GAN900> Tempting if AT&T weren't going to force me into a PDA dataplan
May 21 01:13:22 <GAN900> Cool just to have to play with for that price.
May 21 01:14:02 <GAN900> pigeon, USD
May 21 01:14:19 <pigeon> GAN900: yeah, still... $50 one off?
May 21 01:14:27 <pigeon> or you mean per month
May 21 01:14:39 <GAN900> With a 2-year contract
May 21 01:14:42 <pigeon> ah
May 21 01:15:24 <pigeon> n900 was just launched officially in au, there are similar plans like that too.
May 21 01:23:23 <DocScrutinizer> booohhhhh
May 21 01:24:37 <pigeon> can you get the n900 to show the current mobile cell tower name like how my old phone does?
May 21 01:26:55 <DocScrutinizer> cell towers aka BTS have no individual name
May 21 01:27:36 <pigeon> hmm, i probably don't know what's the correct term for it, but like i can set my old phone to show the cell info or something like that.
May 21 01:27:45 <DocScrutinizer> so whatever it was your old phone was showing, it's been nonsense
May 21 01:28:50 <DocScrutinizer> cell info is like: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html
May 21 01:28:55 <pigeon> it's some sort of broadcast message i think, something about the code 501 or 550
May 21 01:29:03 <SpeedEvil> Or it had some database
May 21 01:29:11 <SpeedEvil> pigeon: whre are you?
May 21 01:29:16 <pigeon> SpeedEvil: australia
May 21 01:29:30 <DocScrutinizer> german carrier O2 sends BTS coordinates on BCC#201
May 21 01:29:33 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
May 21 01:29:44 <Termana> I think what pigeon is talking about, is on some old phones you can display your connected cell tower's location
May 21 01:29:52 <SpeedEvil> Can we get broadcast messages?
May 21 01:29:55 <pigeon> Termana: yeah
May 21 01:30:06 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: no, you can't
May 21 01:30:30 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, yes, you can. Comes to Australia and use an old Nokia phone
May 21 01:30:33 <Termana> Come*
May 21 01:30:48 <DocScrutinizer> except for very special sim-app using O2 gauss-wegener coords
May 21 01:31:21 <pigeon> ok, from my old nokia phone, it's under the manual "Info service"
May 21 01:31:36 <pigeon> and I had to set the "topic" to 501
May 21 01:31:36 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: don't piss me with what voodoo is inside a well understood protocol like GSM, please
May 21 01:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> Cell Broadcast Channel 501, not far away from German O2 201
May 21 01:32:51 <pigeon> so... is that possible on the n900?
May 21 01:32:53 <DocScrutinizer> read http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html
May 21 01:33:33 <DocScrutinizer> pigeon: I tried to push kontorri to make that happen
May 21 01:33:56 <pigeon> right, ok.
May 21 01:34:04 <DocScrutinizer> (read out neighbour cells, associate to a particular BTS, get TA...)
May 21 01:34:26 <DocScrutinizer> btw
May 21 01:34:30 <SpeedEvil> Does associate to particular cell not break standards?
May 21 01:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> remembering there is a pending answer
May 21 01:34:54 <DocScrutinizer> not really, SpeedEvil
May 21 01:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> ME is free to try to associate to whatever it likes
May 21 01:35:43 <DocScrutinizer> though there are quite precise criteria (C1, C2) when to do
May 21 01:36:11 <DocScrutinizer> but BTS won't notice
May 21 01:36:18 <DocScrutinizer> if you disobey
May 21 01:36:35 <DocScrutinizer> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.htmlsee
May 21 01:36:46 <DocScrutinizer> opps
May 21 01:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.htmlsee
May 21 01:37:24 <DocScrutinizer> grrrrrrr
May 21 01:37:29 <pigeon> :)
May 21 01:38:01 <DocScrutinizer> oooh, and it's 221, not 201
May 21 01:38:12 <DocScrutinizer> (cell broadcast channel)
May 21 01:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> hope you enjoy this post, it was one of my more dense ones, and I actually consider it quite brilliant still, after all that time
May 21 01:58:40 <DocScrutinizer> and the invitation for a beer still open
May 21 01:59:20 <DocScrutinizer> make that a 20-bottles container
May 21 02:02:54 <wall[e]> hi anyone is using russian phonetic keymap?
May 21 02:03:15 <wall[e]> is anyone*
May 21 02:03:41 <timeless_mbp> As opposed to?
May 21 02:04:27 <DocScrutinizer> dvorcak
May 21 02:06:33 * DocScrutinizer sighs facing the brilliant results of his younger years, and wanders off
May 21 02:06:36 <wall[e]> i think its an xkbmap that allow keying russian chars
May 21 02:07:23 <wall[e]> in phonetic way coz n900 doesnt have russian keyboard screen hw
May 21 02:08:34 <wall[e]> cyrillic alphabets?
May 21 02:10:45 <DocScrutinizer> though this is dated: Sun Jun 1 01:30:32 CEST 2008
May 21 02:11:04 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: sorry, i'm terribly confused
May 21 02:11:13 <timeless_mbp> you can buy an n900 w/ a russian keymat
May 21 02:11:18 <wall[e]> i wonder if i could, for example, pressing ggg to travel around a set of characters
May 21 02:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> not without a very special kbd hw driver
May 21 02:11:54 <timeless_mbp> and there's also the ability to get a cyrillic on screen keyboard
May 21 02:12:20 <DocScrutinizer> nnnnnn88888888888
May 21 02:12:22 <wall[e]> i guess i need scim ?
May 21 02:12:42 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: you haven't really expressed an actual problem
May 21 02:12:47 <pigeon> speaking of scim, does anyone know the diff between scim and mscim? and which one should be used?
May 21 02:12:49 <wall[e]> yeh like ., thing
May 21 02:12:50 <timeless_mbp> otoh it's 5am and i skipped a sleep cycle
May 21 02:13:06 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, that nonsense tends to break browsers badly
May 21 02:13:14 <timeless_mbp> and i'd suggest you not bother if you want your browser to behave
May 21 02:13:22 <wall[e]> timeless try to input my language
May 21 02:13:33 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: which is?
May 21 02:13:36 <wall[e]> with hw key
May 21 02:13:39 <wall[e]> thai
May 21 02:14:05 <timeless_mbp> sorry
May 21 02:14:12 <timeless_mbp> the last 20 lines were about russian
May 21 02:14:16 <timeless_mbp> where did thai come from?
May 21 02:14:28 <pigeon> i've been using mscim, works pretty well, but then i want to use it with anthy, which there's only scim-anthy in the repo, but no mscim-anthy.
May 21 02:14:54 <wall[e]> timeless i am trying to understand how russian phonetic keymap work
May 21 02:15:14 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: well, xkeyboard mappings are generally open source
May 21 02:15:15 <wall[e]> so i may base on it to implement a thai version
May 21 02:15:18 <timeless_mbp> and in theory easy to read
May 21 02:16:26 <wall[e]> i wonder if russian kb can traverse the keys like in vkbd
May 21 02:16:35 <timeless_mbp> ?
May 21 02:16:40 <wall[e]> any use case of that
May 21 02:16:52 <timeless_mbp> you realize it's trivial to switch your hardware layout to russian to test it, right?
May 21 02:17:04 <timeless_mbp> you don't have to go out and buy another device or keymat
May 21 02:17:14 <timeless_mbp> just open control panel, text input, switch the hardware layout to russian
May 21 02:17:18 <timeless_mbp> start playing.
May 21 02:17:24 <timeless_mbp> no reboot required!
May 21 02:17:28 <wall[e]> right but i dont know russian
May 21 02:17:32 <timeless_mbp> so what?
May 21 02:17:35 <timeless_mbp> i don't know thai
May 21 02:17:44 <wall[e]> i look for people who may know
May 21 02:17:46 <timeless_mbp> that doesn't mean i couldn't beat the keyboard and observe the results
May 21 02:18:08 <timeless_mbp> the n900 keyboard is not rocket science
May 21 02:18:24 <wall[e]> i dont know if i can beat eg extra combination
May 21 02:18:32 <timeless_mbp> (and yes, yesterday i spent 2 hours playing w/ keyboards)
May 21 02:18:37 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: so try
May 21 02:18:44 <timeless_mbp> there really aren't that many things to poke
May 21 02:18:45 <wall[e]> abc to produce a char ie
May 21 02:18:49 <timeless_mbp> it'll be fairly obvious
May 21 02:19:06 <timeless_mbp> but no, russian is not particularly special
May 21 02:19:14 <wall[e]> i see
May 21 02:19:21 <timeless_mbp> about the only neat thing it has is a way to switch to latin
May 21 02:19:27 <timeless_mbp> but really
May 21 02:19:29 <wall[e]> i guss ill go with scim solution then
May 21 02:19:30 <timeless_mbp> stop wasting my time
May 21 02:19:32 <timeless_mbp> go switch
May 21 02:19:34 <timeless_mbp> try it
May 21 02:19:44 <timeless_mbp> if you can't figure out how the keyboard behaves in 10 minutes, sleep on it
May 21 02:19:53 <wall[e]> i need combination
May 21 02:20:08 <wall[e]> cant fit thai in n900 kb
May 21 02:20:11 <timeless_mbp> the keyboard isn't very chord-able
May 21 02:20:21 <timeless_mbp> you can't fit chinese or japanese either
May 21 02:20:26 <timeless_mbp> but that doesn't mean you need chords
May 21 02:20:39 <timeless_mbp> you could just use a virtual keyboard
May 21 02:20:48 <wall[e]> did i say scim?
May 21 02:20:53 <timeless_mbp> yes
May 21 02:20:58 <wall[e]> good
May 21 02:21:01 <timeless_mbp> and i seem to recall indicating that scim is buggy
May 21 02:21:05 <timeless_mbp> and bad for apps :)
May 21 02:21:20 <wall[e]> ok :-)
May 21 02:21:41 <wall[e]> hk version isnt stable?
May 21 02:21:44 <wall[e]> mscim
May 21 02:21:49 * timeless_mbp shrugs
May 21 02:21:54 <timeless_mbp> my experience is as a browser dev
May 21 02:22:06 <timeless_mbp> i get to read crash reports from everything
May 21 02:22:17 <timeless_mbp> and scim for a while produced quite a few crashes
May 21 02:22:33 <timeless_mbp> it's possible it's less buggy now than the last time i looked (i sure hope so)
May 21 02:22:33 <wall[e]> aha
May 21 02:22:44 <wall[e]> hopefully
May 21 02:22:54 <wall[e]> better try
May 21 02:23:07 <timeless_mbp> but i wasn't holding my breath then, and i won't now :)
May 21 02:23:19 <wall[e]> coz it will crash somebody else phone not mine
May 21 02:23:27 <wall[e]> since i dont use thai
May 21 02:24:44 <wall[e]> better fix modest to read thai first ughh too mny job
May 21 02:24:51 <wall[e]> no money
May 21 02:25:20 <timeless_mbp> does modest really not handle thai?
May 21 02:25:44 <wall[e]> it does but when no encoding provided
May 21 02:25:47 <wall[e]> it...
May 21 02:25:55 <timeless_mbp> bah
May 21 02:26:09 <timeless_mbp> tell your friends to fix their mua's to not suck/violate standards
May 21 02:26:15 <wall[e]> converts the whole line into (?)
May 21 02:26:32 <wall[e]> google isnt my friend too bad
May 21 02:26:35 <timeless_mbp> does modest properly specify an encoding if you compose thai text?
May 21 02:26:46 <wall[e]> and they ignore my requests
May 21 02:26:52 <wall[e]> yes
May 21 02:27:03 <wall[e]> composing is perfect
May 21 02:28:08 <GeneralAntilles> tybollt_, what are you looking at me for? :P
May 21 02:28:35 <wall[e]> i'll make a special version of modest, this hardly get into mainstream due to non srandard
May 21 02:31:33 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: boooh
May 21 02:31:43 <GeneralAntilles> Hey-ho
May 21 02:33:08 <DocScrutinizer> rather classic construction, i'd say"what for are you looking at me"
May 21 02:33:25 <leino> hi all.. trying to ssh into my n900 via my home network.. I get the password prompt, but then it strikes me that I have no idea what the default password is.. for both "root" and "user"
May 21 02:33:29 <DocScrutinizer> but then that's probably my poor English
May 21 02:33:52 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, "what are you looking at me for?" is a rather American thing.
May 21 02:34:35 * DocScrutinizer is looking at GeneralAntilles
May 21 02:34:56 <timeless_mbp> leino: user doesn't allow logins by default
May 21 02:35:08 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, your format is more technically accurate.
May 21 02:35:11 <timeless_mbp> and root should have asked you to set a password when you installed openssh-server
May 21 02:35:14 <GeneralAntilles> If awkward is normal speech.
May 21 02:35:24 <timeless_mbp> leino: use an ssh key and disable password based auth
May 21 02:35:26 <DocScrutinizer> :-p
May 21 02:36:11 <leino> I just set my root pw using passwd.. so I should know it now :p
May 21 02:36:43 <DocScrutinizer> never learned anything beyond tex english
May 21 02:37:11 <leino> timeless_mbp: still cant ssh into it though... so I guess I should try the ssh key thing
May 21 02:37:24 <leino> timeless_mbp: how do I do that, more explicitly?
May 21 02:37:38 <timeless_mbp> ssh-keygen -t dsa
May 21 02:37:43 <timeless_mbp> ssh-keygen -t rsa
May 21 02:37:58 <timeless_mbp> cat .id*.pub >> authorized_keys
May 21 02:37:59 <DocScrutinizer> fsckit, if password fails...
May 21 02:38:16 <timeless_mbp> copy authorized_keys from ~/.ssh/ to your n900's /home/user/.ssh/
May 21 02:38:39 <timeless_mbp> (the id* files live in ~/.ssh/ so you of course want to cd there before you cat ...)
May 21 02:39:20 <leino> ok, and I do the first two commands on wherever I want to ssh into my n900 from?
May 21 02:39:23 <DocScrutinizer> leino: btw there's no default pw
May 21 02:39:30 <wall[e]> is it true no flash 10.1 for n900?
May 21 02:39:47 <wall[e]> i saw qole in forum said
May 21 02:39:55 <DocScrutinizer> no, it's a rebus
May 21 02:40:09 <wall[e]> i see
May 21 02:40:45 <wall[e]> was that for me?
May 21 02:41:16 * wall[e] think rebus has something to do with pw
May 21 02:41:36 <timeless_mbp> leino: sure
May 21 02:43:18 <leino> timeless_mbp: are you sure "cat .id*.pub >> authorized_keys" is right?
May 21 02:43:36 <leino> seems strange as I have no files in ~/.ssh starting with .id
May 21 02:44:26 <timeless_mbp> leino: err id*.pub not .
May 21 02:44:28 <timeless_mbp> sorry
May 21 02:44:34 <timeless_mbp> it's really late :)
May 21 02:44:52 <leino> ok that makes sense
May 21 02:45:27 <wall[e]> any gui agent?
May 21 02:45:33 <wall[e]> worth making one?
May 21 02:45:38 <timeless_mbp> ?
May 21 02:45:41 <wall[e]> or already has one?
May 21 02:45:45 <wall[e]> ssh
May 21 02:45:51 <timeless_mbp> why?
May 21 02:46:19 <wall[e]> i have passphrase
May 21 02:47:12 <wall[e]> so bad guys won't steal and device and break into my mainframe for 100TB of pornos
May 21 02:47:13 <timeless_mbp> http://maemo.org/packages/view/gnome-keyring/
May 21 02:47:22 <wall[e]> thanks!
May 21 02:47:41 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: if i'm a bad guy
May 21 02:47:48 <timeless_mbp> i'd take your device, install a keylogger
May 21 02:47:51 <timeless_mbp> and put it back where i found it
May 21 02:48:01 <timeless_mbp> once you've used your password to log in, i'll have it
May 21 02:48:09 <wall[e]> i reflash everytime it is out of my sight!
May 21 02:48:26 <timeless_mbp> really?
May 21 02:48:28 <wall[e]> no
May 21 02:48:32 <timeless_mbp> seems highly unlikely
May 21 02:48:49 <wall[e]> but i always secure the devie
May 21 02:48:51 <wall[e]> vice
May 21 02:49:03 <yuizy_> my n900 was stolen once
May 21 02:49:23 <wall[e]> so bad guys must break into emmc i guess
May 21 02:49:24 <yuizy_> but i caught him after running a while
May 21 02:49:31 <wall[e]> cool
May 21 02:49:42 <yuizy_> he dropped his own phone so i took it and he had to come back
May 21 02:49:42 <wall[e]> have his photo?
May 21 02:49:49 <yuizy_> nah
May 21 02:50:09 <yuizy_> i don't want to see him ever again so i just forgot the situtation
May 21 02:50:14 <wall[e]> i see
May 21 02:50:59 <yuizy_> it was april fools day
May 21 02:51:23 <wall[e]> did he say, it was april foods day?
May 21 02:51:26 <wall[e]> er fools
May 21 02:51:26 <yuizy_> nope :D
May 21 02:51:30 <yuizy_> it was fun telling friends about it
May 21 02:51:49 <yuizy_> they kept telling me to quit joking
May 21 02:51:55 <wall[e]> heh
May 21 02:52:24 <pigeon> yuizy_: you got it back?
May 21 02:52:28 <yuizy_> yeah
May 21 02:52:35 <wall[e]> so you must try telling them for 2 days then
May 21 02:52:44 <yuizy_> once i got his phone he had to give that back to me
May 21 02:52:57 <wall[e]> what was his phone?
May 21 02:53:02 <yuizy_> some crappy old nokia
May 21 02:53:07 <yuizy_> but that had all his information
May 21 02:53:10 <wall[e]> but with his number
May 21 02:53:12 <wall[e]> i see
May 21 02:53:13 <yuizy_> yeah
May 21 02:53:48 <wall[e]> here you can have anonymous number
May 21 02:53:56 <yuizy_> some woman came to help me after he came back
May 21 02:54:01 <wall[e]> we use it to trigger bombs
May 21 02:54:05 <yuizy_> and he actually said that i stole his phone
May 21 02:54:14 <yuizy_> which made no sense at all :D
May 21 02:54:21 <wall[e]> lol
May 21 02:54:31 <yuizy_> sure i stole his old phone and gave him n900
May 21 02:55:00 <wall[e]> i know people were pissed of n900 but hopefully not that much
May 21 02:55:07 <yuizy_> haha
May 21 02:55:26 <yuizy_> i just hope that would have happened when my usb was broken
May 21 02:55:38 <yuizy_> have fun using that phone for 30 mins
May 21 02:56:19 <wall[e]> got mine in april
May 21 02:56:40 <wall[e]> my 3rd mobile after ericsson t68
May 21 02:56:54 <wall[e]> i missed that phone, really love its design
May 21 02:57:22 <leino> timeless_mbp: I still get a pw prompt when I try to ssh into my n900
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