**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 21 02:59:57 2010
May 21 03:00:01 <SpeedEvil> leino: Check your permissions on your .ssh directory, and the files therein.
May 21 03:00:15 <leino> on the n900?
May 21 03:00:21 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 21 03:01:21 <leino> ok, authorized_keys is owned by 'user' and has permission -rw-r--r--
May 21 03:01:35 <SpeedEvil> I think it should be 600
May 21 03:01:36 <wall[e]> turn off og-r
May 21 03:01:38 <leino> and there is a known_hosts with the same thing
May 21 03:02:01 <leino> wall[e]: pardon?
May 21 03:02:08 <wall[e]> chmod og-r *
May 21 03:03:09 <wall[e]> but
May 21 03:03:09 <leino> ok, now the files have -rw-------
May 21 03:03:12 <wall[e]> i think it's safe
May 21 03:03:23 <wall[e]> my authorized_keys works fine with og+r
May 21 03:03:28 <wall[e]> strange
May 21 03:03:30 * wall[e] tests
May 21 03:05:32 <wall[e]> mine works just fine
May 21 03:05:53 <wall[e]> ls -ld .ssh
May 21 03:06:04 <leino> I still think it's strange that I can't ssh into it using a password...
May 21 03:06:07 <leino> ok Ill try that
May 21 03:06:24 <wall[e]> did you set password for user?
May 21 03:06:28 <leino> drwx------ 2 leino leino 4096 2010-05-21 04:43 .ssh
May 21 03:06:32 <leino> wall[e]: yeah
May 21 03:06:35 <wall[e]> eh
May 21 03:06:42 <wall[e]> this should be .ssh on n900
May 21 03:06:52 <leino> oh, that was on my laptop :)
May 21 03:06:56 <leino> sorry brb
May 21 03:07:10 <wall[e]> hehe
May 21 03:07:47 <leino> on my n900, ls -ld .ssh gives drwx------
May 21 03:07:56 <leino> owned by user
May 21 03:08:43 <wall[e]> ls -l .ssh then?
May 21 03:09:59 <leino> that lists what I wrote before: the contents of ~/.ssh
May 21 03:10:28 <leino> -rw------- for both authorized_keys and known_hosts
May 21 03:10:55 <wall[e]> i have them all og+r
May 21 03:10:59 <leino> this thing: http://rcsg-gsir.imsb-dsgi.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/documents/internet/node31.html, leads me to believe I should edit some .rhosts file
May 21 03:11:00 <wall[e]> but shouldn't be a problem
May 21 03:11:21 <wall[e]> i don't need any .rhosts
May 21 03:11:41 <wall[e]> if you have the key, you should get in
May 21 03:11:59 <wall[e]> make no sense editing on the client side..
May 21 03:13:01 <wall[e]> scp .ssh/id_rsa.pub user@n900:.ssh/authorized_keys
May 21 03:13:18 <wall[e]> assume you didn't have any existing authorized key
May 21 03:13:32 <leino> btw, the passphrase I entered when I created the keys, what was that?
May 21 03:13:46 <leino> was that supposed to be the password for my user at my n900?
May 21 03:13:53 <wall[e]> it will ask you every time
May 21 03:14:08 <wall[e]> it was for locking the key and agent will remember that
May 21 03:14:13 <wall[e]> if you don't want to enter anything
May 21 03:14:18 <wall[e]> you should have them blank
May 21 03:14:27 <wall[e]> just enter pass them
May 21 03:14:32 <leino> ok, I entered something
May 21 03:14:38 <leino> is that a prob?
May 21 03:15:00 <wall[e]> it will ask you everytime you use the key to log into your n900
May 21 03:15:01 <stuck> anybody think they can help a complete noob?
May 21 03:15:45 <leino> but I am supposed to log in like "ssh user@[ip of my n900]" ?
May 21 03:15:48 <wall[e]> but you can use ssh-agent to remember the key entered for each section.
May 21 03:16:07 <wall[e]> yes, after entering passphase
May 21 03:16:21 <wall[e]> phrase
May 21 03:16:29 <wall[e]> howevertospellthat
May 21 03:16:53 <leino> after entering passphrase? what do you mean, I dont get a pw prompt until after I type that
May 21 03:17:27 <wall[e]> you don't even have to enter passphrase
May 21 03:17:31 <wall[e]> just enter pass it
May 21 03:17:40 <wall[e]> it will ask for password of your user@n900
May 21 03:18:16 <wall[e]> if you enter the correct passphrase and it is the authorized key, you don't need to enter password of your user@n900
May 21 03:18:43 <leino> damnation
May 21 03:18:46 <leino> it doesnt work
May 21 03:18:55 <wall[e]> regenerate the key
May 21 03:19:10 <wall[e]> rm .ssh/id_*
May 21 03:19:18 <wall[e]> ssh-keygen
May 21 03:19:36 <wall[e]> scp .ssh/id_rsa.pub user@n900IP:.ssh/authorized_keys
May 21 03:20:27 <leino> ok, and this time I dont enter any passphrase when I generate the keys?
May 21 03:20:34 <wall[e]> yes
May 21 03:20:38 <wall[e]> dont enter
May 21 03:20:41 <leino> ok :)
May 21 03:20:43 <wall[e]> or should i say no, don't enter?
May 21 03:21:04 * wall[e] isn't a native english speaker
May 21 03:21:16 <leino> *is not either
May 21 03:21:26 <leino> is also not very good at irc, it turns out
May 21 03:21:29 <wall[e]> :)
May 21 03:21:49 * stuck laughs at your misfortune
May 21 03:22:04 <stuck> jks
May 21 03:22:34 <wall[e]> they don't like abbr, i think :)
May 21 03:22:41 <leino> the scp business didnt work, obviously
May 21 03:22:56 <wall[e]> you can't login as well?
May 21 03:23:01 <leino> yeah
May 21 03:23:11 <wall[e]> is that you can or can't lol
May 21 03:23:20 <leino> Ill have to mount it as a usb device
May 21 03:23:29 <wall[e]> oh
May 21 03:23:31 <leino> I cant login
May 21 03:23:34 <wall[e]> but can you ssh as root?
May 21 03:23:53 <wall[e]> ssh root@n900IP
May 21 03:23:57 <leino> laptop->n900 I cant ssh, which is what all this is about
May 21 03:24:16 <wall[e]> strange
May 21 03:24:19 <leino> right?
May 21 03:24:33 <wall[e]> i didn't know you can't even login
May 21 03:24:34 <leino> isnt that what we are trying to accomplish in the first place?
May 21 03:25:17 <wall[e]> can you telnet n900IP 22 ?
May 21 03:25:28 <luke-jr> wall[e]: ssh-copy-id ftw
May 21 03:25:29 <wall[e]> got SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1  Debian-6.maemo5 ?
May 21 03:25:43 <wall[e]> luke-jr, thanks :)
May 21 03:25:55 <luke-jr> and why are you advising bad security practices? :/
May 21 03:26:25 <wall[e]> luke-jr, i wasn't clear why it wasn't working
May 21 03:26:29 <leino> I get connection refused
May 21 03:26:40 <leino> when I try to telnet into it
May 21 03:26:40 <wall[e]> leino, now that's the problem
May 21 03:26:50 <leino> ok..
May 21 03:27:01 <talonz> leino are u on windows ?
May 21 03:27:07 <leino> nope, debian
May 21 03:27:07 <wall[e]> on n900 can you, telnet localhost 22 ?
May 21 03:27:13 <wall[e]> oh wait
May 21 03:27:16 <wall[e]> n900 doesn't have telnet
May 21 03:27:31 <wall[e]> apt-get install nmap
May 21 03:27:41 <leino> allready have it :)
May 21 03:27:47 <wall[e]> good :)
May 21 03:27:55 <leino> Ill nmap that sucker
May 21 03:28:02 <wall[e]> ok
May 21 03:28:11 <leino> PORT    STATE SERVICE
May 21 03:28:12 <leino> 22/tcp  open  ssh
May 21 03:28:12 <leino> 111/tcp open  rpcbind
May 21 03:29:41 <wall[e]> ncat localhost 22
May 21 03:30:36 <leino> ncat?
May 21 03:30:52 <wall[e]> yeh
May 21 03:30:57 <leino> cant apt-get it
May 21 03:30:57 <wall[e]> bundled with nmap
May 21 03:31:07 <leino> I dont seem to have it
May 21 03:31:18 <wall[e]> dpkg -S /usr/bin/ncat
May 21 03:31:21 <wall[e]> nmap: /usr/bin/ncat
May 21 03:31:55 <wall[e]> mine nmap is 5.00-2
May 21 03:33:38 <leino> 4.62 over here
May 21 03:34:49 <leino> ok, I just copied the generated id_rsa.pub to my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on my n900... still doesnt work
May 21 03:35:10 <wall[e]> it wouldn't work since you can't even connect to its port 22
May 21 03:35:26 <leino> ok..
May 21 03:35:26 <wall[e]> you shouldn't be in pc suite mode by any chance?
May 21 03:35:40 <leino> "pc suite mode"?
May 21 03:35:55 <wall[e]> when you connect to the pc with usb, it will ask you for mode
May 21 03:36:13 <leino> ok
May 21 03:36:15 <wall[e]> now both should connect through wireless right?
May 21 03:36:21 <leino> nah, I was in "storage device mode" or whatever
May 21 03:36:31 <wall[e]> storage mode is ok
May 21 03:36:31 <leino> but I disconnected when I finished moving files
May 21 03:36:44 <wall[e]> shouldn't be a problem
May 21 03:37:00 <wall[e]> can you ping your n900 from pc?
May 21 03:37:06 <yuizy_> do you have the ssh server installed? :P
May 21 03:37:23 <wall[e]> and ncat should be done on n900 btw
May 21 03:37:28 <leino> ping works great
May 21 03:37:28 <wall[e]> good question!
May 21 03:37:50 <yuizy_> all the time spent :D
May 21 03:37:56 <wall[e]> :D
May 21 03:38:11 <leino> I wouldnt get the pw prompt if I didnt have the server installed, right?
May 21 03:38:38 <wall[e]> you can't telnet to its port 22 and you have pw prompt?
May 21 03:38:45 <wall[e]> was that passphrase key prompt?
May 21 03:39:00 <wall[e]> <leino> PORT    STATE SERVICE
May 21 03:39:01 <wall[e]> <leino> 22/tcp  open  ssh
May 21 03:39:01 <wall[e]> <leino> 111/tcp open  rpcbind
May 21 03:39:06 <wall[e]> what's the result of this btw?
May 21 03:39:54 <wall[e]> nmap localhost on n900?
May 21 03:39:55 <leino> when I do "ssh user@n900" I get the password prompt
May 21 03:40:00 <wall[e]> or on your own machine?
May 21 03:40:06 <leino> but the password is always incorrect
May 21 03:40:15 <leino> even tho its totally correct
May 21 03:40:17 <wall[e]> leino, is the ip correct?
May 21 03:40:31 <talonz> leino, try root@n900 and then the password
May 21 03:40:32 <wall[e]> when you telnet from your machine to n900 ip 22
May 21 03:40:40 <leino> yeah
May 21 03:40:48 <cehteh> tried 'root' instead 'user' ?
May 21 03:41:00 <wall[e]> you should get ssh
May 21 03:41:05 <leino> wall[e]: didnt you just say the n900 didnt have telnet?
May 21 03:41:13 <wall[e]> leino, your machine
May 21 03:41:17 <leino> cehteh: yeah
May 21 03:41:19 <wall[e]> telnet from your machine
May 21 03:41:22 <wall[e]> to n900
May 21 03:41:26 <leino> Ive done that
May 21 03:41:32 <wall[e]> n900 doesn't have telnet port open, but you can telnet to port 22
May 21 03:41:35 <wall[e]> what prompt you get?
May 21 03:41:37 <leino> tried rather
May 21 03:41:41 * cehteh suggests not to use passwords anyways
May 21 03:41:43 <wall[e]> or just refused?
May 21 03:42:06 <leino> connection refused
May 21 03:42:38 <wall[e]> then i don't think you can ssh to it at all
May 21 03:42:55 <wall[e]> or some virus infected your ssh and log for password?
May 21 03:42:59 <wall[e]> is that possible?
May 21 03:43:03 <talonz> nope
May 21 03:44:02 <talonz> ssh -l root n900ip  should just work
May 21 03:44:37 <wall[e]> how that work he can't even telnet n900ip 22
May 21 03:46:32 <wall[e]> and a doubt that ssh root@n900ip actually gave a prompt, what the prompt looks like can you copy and paste?
May 21 03:46:50 <wall[e]> (@leino)
May 21 03:47:05 <talonz> if he is getting connection refused then maybe nano /etc/hosts.allow and add sshd: ALL  then restart sshd server by /etc/init.d/sshd restart
May 21 03:47:09 <leino> leino@veriha:~$ ssh user@192.168.1.3
May 21 03:47:11 <leino> user@192.168.1.3's password:
May 21 03:47:21 <leino> Permission denied (password,publickey).
May 21 03:47:29 <wall[e]> well it looks right
May 21 03:47:31 <talonz> use root@192.168.1.3 instead leino
May 21 03:48:04 <talonz> then the same password
May 21 03:48:12 <leino> leino@veriha:~$ ssh root@192.168.1.3
May 21 03:48:12 <leino> root@192.168.1.3's password:
May 21 03:48:12 <leino> Permission denied, please try again.
May 21 03:48:12 <leino> root@192.168.1.3's password:
May 21 03:48:12 <leino> Permission denied, please try again.
May 21 03:48:15 <leino> root@192.168.1.3's password:
May 21 03:48:17 <leino> Permission denied (password,publickey).
May 21 03:49:11 <wall[e]> i wonder why you got the prompt
May 21 03:49:26 <wall[e]> ncat 192.168.1.3 22 ?
May 21 03:50:21 <wall[e]> i'd
May 21 03:50:30 <Cabletwitch> Ahh, good morning.
May 21 03:50:31 <cehteh> leino: why not just setup key auth and done?
May 21 03:50:38 <wall[e]> try to rm -r /root/.ssh and /home/user/.ssh on n900
May 21 03:50:42 <wall[e]> first
May 21 03:50:47 <cehteh> eh?
May 21 03:50:59 <cehteh> for what?
May 21 03:51:04 <leino> cehteh: I would like to 'done', but that didnt work
May 21 03:51:13 <wall[e]> sshd may refused by key
May 21 03:51:26 <cehteh> then it wont ask for the password
May 21 03:51:41 <leino> ideally no
May 21 03:51:42 <wall[e]> but can you explain why he can't telnet ip 22?
May 21 03:51:53 <cehteh> you can try ssh -vv    and sshd -dvv or so on the server to see details
May 21 03:52:22 <opdf2> anyone using shortcutd? I have the option toggle proximitry after very long press. But when I get off a phone call, proximitry is enabled
May 21 03:52:37 <cehteh> leino: can each box ping each other?
May 21 03:52:38 <opdf2> even though it was disabled b4 the call
May 21 03:52:48 <wall[e]> he said he can
May 21 03:53:06 <leino> cehteh: my laptop can ping my n900
May 21 03:53:29 <cehteh> and you are absolutely sure that the ip is correct?
May 21 03:53:33 <wall[e]> ssh redir at router?
May 21 03:53:34 <cehteh> double check that
May 21 03:53:42 <leino> and my n900 used to be able to ping my laptop, but I just tried it again.. and I cant ping n900->laptop now :/
May 21 03:53:52 <cehteh> ah
May 21 03:53:53 <talonz> he is gettinga  connection it prompting him for a password proves that
May 21 03:54:05 <cehteh> so maybe your accesspoint has wlan-isolation turned on
May 21 03:54:20 <cehteh> tactus: well we suspect that he ends on some other machine :)
May 21 03:54:48 <wall[e]> but it failed telnet 22 which doesn't make sense.
May 21 03:55:39 <leino> we dont seem to be getting anywhere.. and its getting really early where I live
May 21 03:55:40 <cehteh> plain accesspoint or something smart, soho router or so inbetween?
May 21 03:55:46 <leino> I think I should go to bed now
May 21 03:55:48 <wall[e]> what ssh -vv n900ip say?
May 21 03:55:59 <wall[e]> debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1  Debian-6.maemo5 pat OpenSSH*
May 21 03:56:02 <wall[e]> or has this line?
May 21 03:56:17 <wall[e]> look for maemo5
May 21 03:56:46 <leino> ssh -vv n900ip asks me if the host is authentic (yes/no) prompt
May 21 03:56:57 <leino> when I say yes, I get a login prompt
May 21 03:57:21 <wall[e]> ssh --version ?
May 21 03:57:33 <wall[e]> ssh -version
May 21 03:57:57 <wall[e]> ssh -v
May 21 03:57:58 <wall[e]> heh
May 21 03:58:11 <wall[e]> first line?
May 21 03:58:16 <wall[e]> ssh -V
May 21 03:58:18 <wall[e]> ok
May 21 03:58:21 <wall[e]> last time
May 21 03:58:22 <wall[e]> :)
May 21 03:59:46 <wall[e]> i'd rm -r .ssh on all machines from all users lol
May 21 04:00:28 <leino> bleh
May 21 04:00:31 <wall[e]> but then, i don't believe connection was actually established
May 21 04:00:53 <leino> is there any way to check that I know my own user and root pw from within the n900 itself
May 21 04:00:56 <leino> ?
May 21 04:01:06 <wall[e]> do ssh root@localhost on n900
May 21 04:02:15 <leino> that worked
May 21 04:02:31 <wall[e]> good
May 21 04:02:38 <leino> both ssh user@localhost and ssh root@localhost
May 21 04:03:03 <wall[e]> but now, i think the problem is why telnet n900ip 22 is refused
May 21 04:03:21 <leino> can you telnet into your n900?
May 21 04:03:25 <wall[e]> yes
May 21 04:03:38 <wall[e]> telnet 192.168.0.60 22
May 21 04:03:39 <wall[e]> Trying 192.168.0.60...
May 21 04:03:39 <wall[e]> Connected to 192.168.0.60.
May 21 04:03:39 <wall[e]> Escape character is '^]'.
May 21 04:03:39 <wall[e]> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1  Debian-6.maemo5
May 21 04:03:40 <leino> I havent installed telnet or anything.. is it included by default?
May 21 04:04:38 <wall[e]> apt-get install telnet on your pc?
May 21 04:04:41 <wall[e]> or nmap
May 21 04:04:49 <wall[e]> or anything with ncat
May 21 04:05:06 <wall[e]> ncat 192.168.0.60 22
May 21 04:05:07 <wall[e]> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1  Debian-6.maemo5
May 21 04:05:34 <leino> the thing that makes me most depressed is the fact that I cant ping my pc from my n900
May 21 04:05:39 <leino> as I used to be able to do
May 21 04:05:47 <wall[e]> you should ping as root
May 21 04:05:50 <wall[e]> i'd reboot n900
May 21 04:05:53 <leino> and, as I have been told, Is a pretty big deal
May 21 04:06:06 <wall[e]> plugging usb cable may mess up its current network settings
May 21 04:06:10 <leino> done it a few seconds ago
May 21 04:06:25 <wall[e]> are you pinging as root from n900?
May 21 04:06:26 <leino> after I unplugged the usb cable
May 21 04:06:29 <wall[e]> first ping rounter
May 21 04:06:29 <leino> yeah
May 21 04:06:36 <leino> k
May 21 04:06:43 <wall[e]> can you ping router?
May 21 04:07:08 <leino> pinging router worked
May 21 04:07:18 <leino> (from n900)
May 21 04:07:30 <leino> (and from pc)
May 21 04:07:46 <wall[e]> may be pc block it?
May 21 04:08:03 <leino> pc can ping pc
May 21 04:08:15 <wall[e]> yeh, it runs to different channel
May 21 04:08:19 <wall[e]> through*
May 21 04:08:36 <wall[e]> or that mean another pc can ping the pc?
May 21 04:08:37 <leino> also, I used to be able to ping my pc from my n900 via the internet connection like yesterday
May 21 04:08:56 <leino> I dont have another pc
May 21 04:09:16 <wall[e]> pinging localhost isn't like pinging another box
May 21 04:09:23 <leino> ok
May 21 04:09:27 <leino> ping 192.168.1.2
May 21 04:09:41 <leino> oops
May 21 04:10:00 <leino> getting tired now.. should seriously go to sleep
May 21 04:10:06 <wall[e]> yeh
May 21 04:10:12 <leino> wall[e]: thanks for your help
May 21 04:10:18 <wall[e]> sorry couldn't do much
May 21 04:10:22 <wall[e]> btw
May 21 04:10:31 <leino> no prob, Ill try again tomorrow
May 21 04:10:34 <wall[e]> we can use usb0 connection to test.
May 21 04:10:35 <leino> this should work
May 21 04:10:46 <leino> the n900 "is like a linux pc" after all...
May 21 04:10:47 <wall[e]> that will skip all wireless
May 21 04:10:59 <wall[e]> heh
May 21 04:11:11 <leino> you can use usb0 as a network interface whatever?
May 21 04:11:17 <wall[e]> yes
May 21 04:11:23 <leino> so it shows up in ifconfig?
May 21 04:11:34 <wall[e]> yes but must use pc suite mode
May 21 04:11:41 <leino> sleep be damned
May 21 04:11:42 <wall[e]> and enter ip manually
May 21 04:11:42 <leino> lets do it
May 21 04:11:46 <wall[e]> lol
May 21 04:12:19 <leino> ok, plugged it into the usb and selected pc suit mode
May 21 04:12:21 <leino> what now?
May 21 04:12:26 <wall[e]> well, just connect and use pc suite mode
May 21 04:13:04 <wall[e]> ifup usb0
May 21 04:13:06 <wall[e]> on n900
May 21 04:13:18 <wall[e]> and then ifconfig usb0
May 21 04:13:22 <wall[e]> see if it has ip?
May 21 04:13:33 <wall[e]> something 192.168.5.14 something? i am not sure
May 21 04:13:59 <leino> .2.15, but yeah I have an ip
May 21 04:14:07 <wall[e]> ok
May 21 04:14:11 <wall[e]> now
May 21 04:14:17 <wall[e]> on your pc
May 21 04:14:32 <wall[e]> ifconfig should show the interface as 2.14
May 21 04:14:46 <wall[e]> if there isn't one we'll set it up
May 21 04:15:05 <leino> ifconfig doesnt show it
May 21 04:15:15 <wall[e]> sec, better plugged mine
May 21 04:15:47 <wall[e]> ok
May 21 04:15:53 <wall[e]> you see usb0 interface on pc right?
May 21 04:17:20 <wall[e]> er
May 21 04:17:23 <wall[e]> i was confused
May 21 04:17:45 <leino> I dont see usb0 on my pc
May 21 04:17:56 <leino> I see it on my n900 after doing ifup usb0
May 21 04:18:03 <wall[e]> strange
May 21 04:18:19 <wall[e]> can you ifup usb0 on pc?
May 21 04:18:50 <leino> veriha:/home/leino# ifup usb0
May 21 04:18:51 <leino> Ignoring unknown interface usb0=usb0
May 21 04:19:31 <wall[e]> ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 netmask 255.255.255.0
May 21 04:19:33 <wall[e]> on pc
May 21 04:19:43 <wall[e]> hmmm
May 21 04:19:56 <wall[e]> what gnu/linux distribution you are using?
May 21 04:20:11 <wall[e]> i don't really know much about this usb stuffs my box did it automagically
May 21 04:20:12 <leino> debian
May 21 04:20:30 <leino> now ifconfig shows usb0
May 21 04:20:38 <wall[e]> ok
May 21 04:20:56 <wall[e]> ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 (on pc)
May 21 04:21:27 <leino> I just did that
May 21 04:21:27 <wall[e]> can you ping 192.168.2.15 from pc now?
May 21 04:21:48 <leino> I just pinged my pc on .2.14 from my n900
May 21 04:21:50 <leino> worked!
May 21 04:21:55 <leino> Ill try the reverse
May 21 04:21:56 <wall[e]> good!
May 21 04:22:11 <wall[e]> how about ssh root@192.168.2.15 ?
May 21 04:22:13 <leino> bamm! works!
May 21 04:22:24 <leino> (the ping)
May 21 04:22:28 <wall[e]> ok
May 21 04:22:35 <wall[e]> usb ftw
May 21 04:22:41 <leino> omg
May 21 04:22:42 <leino> works!
May 21 04:22:48 <wall[e]> perfect!
May 21 04:22:55 <wall[e]> and do you know
May 21 04:22:57 <leino> I swear it's that stupid router of mine
May 21 04:23:08 <wall[e]> it's like much faster than wireless
May 21 04:23:22 <leino> yeah, but not as wireless
May 21 04:23:27 <wall[e]> yeh
May 21 04:23:39 <wall[e]> i use it to transfer file to my /home/user partition
May 21 04:23:52 <wall[e]> don't know how to mount that directly :S
May 21 04:24:10 <leino> I mostly want it because I find it a pain in the ass to use the n900 keyboard to do administration tasks
May 21 04:24:10 <wall[e]> my /home is 16GB
May 21 04:24:38 <wall[e]> oh i see
May 21 04:24:44 <wall[e]> i have my bluetooth keyboard for that
May 21 04:25:11 <leino> aha. I shall have to invest in one of those
May 21 04:26:27 <leino> well, time for bed
May 21 04:26:34 <leino> wall[e]: thanks a bunch!
May 21 04:26:35 <wall[e]> good night!
May 21 04:26:39 <wall[e]> welcome!
May 21 04:26:43 <leino> muchos obligados
May 21 04:40:26 <opdf2> anyone using a2dp with their bluetooth car stereo?
May 21 05:08:35 <RST38h> <yawn>
May 21 05:42:12 <parim> hey everyone, do you guyd suggest any good note taking application for maemo.
May 21 05:42:28 <luke-jr> nano-tiny
May 21 05:53:53 <parim> luke-jr: Thanks
May 21 06:00:48 <solrize> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18428  Report: Only Escape From Hellish Apple iPhone Factory Was Suicide    haha
May 21 06:15:04 <mintux> when I enable devel or testing repo my rootfs full and I could not install any package. now I ave 10mb free but extra devel and testing repo is disabled . so I need to install some software . I thing some application installed on /opt and these http://codepad.org/rYf11P24  but how can I install my another package on opt ? (its a list of package installed ) http://codepad.org/MsiLolS6
May 21 06:18:22 <pronto> how do i uninstall that "I am here" app >.< http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50246&highlight=iamhere
May 21 06:27:02 <Corsac> mhmh, that thread looks suspicious, the app too :/
May 21 06:27:34 <pronto> yeah, good tip: dont ranodmly install shit when you're half asleep
May 21 06:28:16 <Corsac> especially non free stuff which sends mail about your position and takes photos
May 21 06:28:19 <viliny_> i get the feeling that theres something to be wanted in the IQ department of someone writing like that... yet they wrote a program for a linux phone. im confused
May 21 06:28:56 <Corsac> pronto: I didnt read all the thread, what's the problem for removing it?
May 21 06:29:00 <pronto> well Corsac if the damned thing worked, it would be a great thing to have if your phone got stolen
May 21 06:29:01 <Corsac> pronto: it doesn't appear in HAM?
May 21 06:29:08 <pronto> HAM?
May 21 06:29:12 <Corsac> pronto: I still wouldn't trust it
May 21 06:29:18 <Corsac> the application manager
May 21 06:29:21 <pupnik_> pronto, that seems to be the idea
May 21 06:29:22 <pronto> when i click uninstall it just says failed
May 21 06:29:35 <pupnik_> lots of us were wanting the 'where's the stolen n900' app
May 21 06:29:40 <Corsac> pronto: do you have root access on your device?
May 21 06:29:45 <pronto> yeah
May 21 06:30:05 <Corsac> pupnik_: well, people can do as they want, I just have large trust issues on this one
May 21 06:30:13 <Corsac> pronto: get a terminal and try to apt-get remove it?
May 21 06:30:29 <Corsac> and see what apt-get tells you if/when it fails
May 21 06:30:35 <Corsac> so we have a better idea of what to do
May 21 06:30:39 <pronto> oo maybe i can kill the proccess
May 21 06:31:19 <Corsac> Added very strong Encryption of all the password set by the user.
May 21 06:31:24 <Corsac> aha, this one scares me to death
May 21 06:31:33 <Corsac> I'd really like to see the sources :)
May 21 06:31:58 <pronto> yeah last night before going to bed i was just browsing the app manager on the phone installing random stuff x.x
May 21 06:32:44 <viliny_> heh
May 21 06:32:45 <viliny_> i do that too
May 21 06:32:51 <Corsac> ditto :)
May 21 06:32:59 <viliny_> once a week i scroll through all the new stuff
May 21 06:33:34 <pupnik_> heh no sources Corsac ? :)
May 21 06:34:00 <viliny_> ended up finding an eve-online widget that doesn't working because of libqt4-core 4.6.2 missing which i then installed but it still tells me it's not ok... so i just left it alone before my phone went bananas :)
May 21 06:34:36 <viliny_> god im tired, not good to find widelands in the repos just before you are supposed to be falling asleep
May 21 06:34:42 <Corsac> pupnik_: not available no
May 21 06:35:05 <pupnik_> fun game viliny_ ?
May 21 06:46:40 <pronto> ah ha! i got that peice of shit removed
May 21 06:46:49 <pronto> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=648354&postcount=384
May 21 06:51:21 <viliny_> pupnik_: if you like settlers yeah, didn't really get that far yet :)
May 21 06:51:23 <viliny_> looks nice
May 21 06:51:48 <viliny_> wish it had a bit of a faster pace or game speed adjustable
May 21 06:52:55 <timeless_mbp> http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/05/the-wireless-traffic-of-mit-students/comment-page-1/#comment-1559 :o
May 21 07:10:21 <hrw> morning
May 21 07:10:36 <johnx> hallo hrw
May 21 07:10:40 <johnx> how is your world?
May 21 07:12:15 <pupnik_> shiny ;)
May 21 07:14:42 <hrw> johnx: ok it is
May 21 07:14:57 <hrw> johnx: flood is not here yet and I am on safe ground
May 21 07:15:32 <johnx> good to hear :)
May 21 07:15:38 <johnx> working on anything fun lately?
May 21 07:15:44 <johnx> hey pupnik_ :D
May 21 07:16:03 <arachnist> hrw: you happen to be in poland or czech republic?
May 21 07:16:44 <pupnik_> johnx: just uploading something maybe interesting
May 21 07:18:55 <hrw> arachnist: North-West part of Poland - Szczecin
May 21 07:19:04 <hrw> johnx: cross compiling
May 21 07:19:53 <johnx> hrw, I thought you solved the whole cross-compiling thing years ago with OE :)
May 21 07:21:19 <lbt> hi johnx
May 21 07:21:38 <pupnik_> http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10147&stc=1&d=1274426375  DOOM timedemo tests, this time with *real* data! :)
May 21 07:22:14 <johnx> pupnik_, way cool :)
May 21 07:22:15 <johnx> lbt, hey
May 21 07:22:50 <arachnist> pupnik_: less blurry image, please?
May 21 07:23:15 <pupnik_> t.m.o. squished my image
May 21 07:24:05 <pupnik_> maybe later when i have more runs to compare
May 21 07:24:15 <pupnik_> i need the n900 during the day
May 21 07:29:45 <hrw> johnx: now I will do similar stuff on other places
May 21 07:36:35 <RST38h> johnx,hrw moo
May 21 07:37:44 <hrw> RST38h: you have super cow powers?
May 21 07:39:22 <RST38h> naah
May 21 08:18:32 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 21 08:18:47 <Jaffa> GAN900: Thanks
May 21 08:49:11 <wazd> guys, where can I buy n900 in Berlin for cheaper price than in nokia stores?
May 21 08:49:59 <Scelt> in a dark alley
May 21 08:50:32 <pupnik_> wazd: amazon.co.uk
May 21 08:51:08 <Stskeeps> wazd: coming to berlin?
May 21 08:51:11 <moo---_> can iconv or any UNIX tool convert utf-8 to sms character set?
May 21 08:51:32 <wazd> Stskeeps: nope, not me yet :D
May 21 08:55:16 <ptl> SMS can use UTF-8, isn't it? It's the default when there's any accented or special character and its limit goes to 70.
May 21 08:57:12 <zash> SMS MUST accept UTF-16 afaik
May 21 08:57:37 <zash> and 160 8bit bytes
May 21 08:57:48 <ptl> oh, yes, I confused things.
May 21 08:57:51 <ptl> UTF-16
May 21 08:58:17 <zash> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Message_Service#Message_size
May 21 09:01:37 <moo---_> zash: I am interest in 160 8bit
May 21 09:01:53 <moo---_> zash: UTF-16 is no prob
May 21 09:02:22 <SpeedEvil> It's _not_ 160 bytes
May 21 09:02:32 <SpeedEvil> it's 160 chars - of 7 bits with a wierd encoding
May 21 09:04:02 <moo---_> SpeedEvil: in any case, are there UNIX tools to deal with it?
May 21 09:04:15 <moo---_> command-line, or any libs
May 21 09:05:51 <SpeedEvil> I know there are various open-source SMS capable tools.
May 21 09:05:57 <SpeedEvil> I don't know of libs speciifcallt
May 21 09:10:25 <cc> Hi there, has anyone heard of a port of tetrinet for maemo 5?
May 21 09:43:04 <SpeedEvil> ahahahahahahah.
May 21 09:43:20 <SpeedEvil> You'd think people would at least run 'top' for a bit when compiling an application.
May 21 09:43:38 <SpeedEvil> 'batlevel' uses 2% CPU constantly. With the screen locked.
May 21 09:43:41 <raster> SpeedEvil: yo :)
May 21 09:43:44 <raster> why would they?
May 21 09:43:46 <raster> i dont
May 21 09:44:00 <raster> i know my cpu and io are being hammered
May 21 09:44:01 <raster> :)
May 21 09:44:02 <Stskeeps> SpeedEvil: developing, you mean
May 21 09:44:08 <SpeedEvil> err - yes
May 21 09:44:10 <SpeedEvil> sorry.
May 21 09:44:49 <raster> oh you emanto check that it doesnt sit and spin in infinite loops chewing cpu?
May 21 09:45:00 <raster> (when it should be idle sleepin' happily away)
May 21 09:45:31 <inz> Speed, isn't it nice to have a battery level indicator that makes your battery die 3 times faster?
May 21 09:45:48 <inz> Speed, the indicator suddenly becomes useful!
May 21 09:46:29 <SpeedEvil> raster: exactly.
May 21 09:46:43 <raster> yeah
May 21 09:46:47 <SpeedEvil> inz: Twice! Don't you wish.
May 21 09:46:52 <raster> also why woul wouldnt check to see its memory usage
May 21 09:46:52 <SpeedEvil> 130mA idle vs 7
May 21 09:46:58 <raster> first cut - simple top/ps
May 21 09:47:02 <raster> second - memprof & friends
May 21 09:47:23 <SpeedEvil> something that shows pss/uss
May 21 09:47:29 <raster> also i'd expect you strace it to just see what its doing syscall wise
May 21 09:47:34 <raster> is it using "almsot no cpu"
May 21 09:47:42 <raster> but still waking up and doing thins too often
May 21 09:47:43 <raster> etc.
May 21 10:03:06 <Khertan> Someone know why Nokia didn't want to show file extensions in dialog ... ?  I ve put several bug request ... still won't fix
May 21 10:03:14 <Khertan> it s really annoying ... !!!
May 21 10:03:18 <Stskeeps> same reason windows does it?
May 21 10:03:18 <Stskeeps> ;p
May 21 10:03:27 <SpeedEvil> Sigh. I was about to complain that the repositories are broken.
May 21 10:03:28 <Khertan> example ... i ve png image ... edit it with the imageviewer ... it s save in .jpg ... i ve both when i want to send an email ... which one is the good one ?
May 21 10:03:33 <SpeedEvil> Turns out I can't spell free.
May 21 10:03:44 <Khertan> Stskeeps, in windows ... it s an option
May 21 10:04:03 <Khertan> and you have at least a details viewer that show you the type of the file
May 21 10:05:44 * Khertan didn't bother anymore with b.m.o ... will be won't fix ... so why to loose time doing it 
May 21 10:06:18 <Khertan> someone have the same feeling than me ? or this is just because it s the end of the week and should going to sleep
May 21 10:06:18 <Khertan> :)
May 21 10:35:19 <akumar> plaese any one suggest me, how to resolve the error ;  /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11:  3294 Floating point exception(core dumped) "$@". maemo Qt application  written in cpp.
May 21 10:36:07 <akumar> details of error : http://pastebin.com/FeHR4tNZ
May 21 10:37:28 <AfroMark> hi all
May 21 10:37:39 <AfroMark> help with a question about dlna?
May 21 10:37:49 <Shapeshifter> humm, thats odd. I can't load themes anymore. hitting themes from the desktop settings view or from the setting just does nothing. the theme selector doesn't show up.
May 21 10:38:47 <sx0n> akumar,  are dividing with zero?
May 21 10:38:48 <Shapeshifter> can I try launching it from the cli to see some output?
May 21 10:39:03 <AfroMark> I have a home media network hard drive connected to my wireless router. I can see video files on it from my n900, but trying to play one results in the message 'no network server'
May 21 10:39:29 <akumar> no, dividing with zero.
May 21 10:39:32 <AfroMark> any suggestions?
May 21 10:40:18 <akumar> sx0n: if i try, int main() {}. then it fired same error.
May 21 10:41:08 <akumar> i am running in maemo5 scrachbox.
May 21 10:41:59 <plastun> akumar, I also gets the same errors using GTK
May 21 10:42:51 <akumar> plastun: then how to solved problem.
May 21 10:43:51 <plastun> don't know :). Actualy, scratcjbox very strange tool :)
May 21 10:46:00 <adeus> akumar: wrong arm target?
May 21 10:46:33 <adeus> oh on sb
May 21 10:47:29 <akumar> adeus: i am using sbox-FREMANTLE_X86.
May 21 10:47:35 <adeus> yes I noticed
May 21 10:47:44 <adeus> I got those when my target was set up incorrectly
May 21 10:48:00 <akumar> how to set up.
May 21 10:48:10 <akumar> it is working previously.
May 21 10:48:40 <adeus> if you write g++
May 21 10:48:45 <adeus> what is the msg
May 21 10:50:50 <akumar> [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: /scratchbox/users/mm4/home/user/Qt/maemo5scratchbox/prac-code/window-prog/hello] > g++
May 21 10:50:51 <akumar> sbox-i486-pc-linux-gnu-g++: no input files
May 21 10:52:20 <adeus> who about apu transparency
May 21 10:52:29 <adeus> sb-conf show
May 21 10:53:22 <MohammadAG> achipa, did you upload PyQt 4.7?
May 21 10:54:22 <achipa> MohammadAG: guilty as charged
May 21 10:56:19 <Treibholz> damn, adblock isn't working anymore...
May 21 10:56:38 <MohammadAG> ~ping
May 21 10:56:39 <infobot> ~pong
May 21 10:56:56 <Treibholz> reinstalling doesn't help.
May 21 11:01:22 <Shapeshifter> Nah. I uninstalled the theme I installed, and rebooted, and I still cannot see the theme switching dialog.
May 21 11:01:26 <Shapeshifter> any clues?
May 21 11:05:36 <MohammadAG> umm
May 21 11:05:44 <MohammadAG> Maemo 6 Widgets Gallery?
May 21 11:06:27 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: oh yes, I just found the same reason while searching TMO. uninstalling it now
May 21 11:06:37 <Shapeshifter> though wth kind of a connection is that -.-
May 21 11:06:51 <MohammadAG> it comes with a themes package
May 21 11:07:01 <achipa> MohammadAG: ... why do you ask (pyqt) ?
May 21 11:07:03 <MohammadAG> that segfauls personalization_app
May 21 11:07:11 <Shapeshifter> awesome
May 21 11:07:12 <akumar> adeus: sb-conf show, "Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486
May 21 11:07:13 <akumar> Devkits: perl debian-etch doctools svn git
May 21 11:07:13 <akumar> CPU-transparency: none"
May 21 11:07:19 <MohammadAG> achipa, noticed it in there
May 21 11:07:27 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, there's a bug report afaik
May 21 11:07:28 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: woops
May 21 11:07:41 <Shapeshifter> I've given up on filing bugs for maemo
May 21 11:07:51 <X-Fade> http://maemo.org/packages/view/opera-mobile/
May 21 11:08:01 <X-Fade> Opera mobile is now in Extras-devel
May 21 11:08:02 <Stskeeps> in extras?
May 21 11:08:08 <Stskeeps> they upped it themselves?
May 21 11:08:09 <X-Fade> for both Fremantle and Diablo.
May 21 11:08:12 <X-Fade> Yes
May 21 11:08:15 <Stskeeps> oh, cool
May 21 11:08:19 <achipa> \o/
May 21 11:08:41 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9480
May 21 11:08:42 <povbot`> Bug 9480: Maemo6 demo widgets: No themes listed in Maemo5 "Select a theme" dialog
May 21 11:09:51 <andre__> Shapeshifter, why? :)
May 21 11:10:18 <achipa> MohammadAG: we'll have good pyqt company as it's really not much work to have it working and at least it provides some motivation to the pyside folks ;)
May 21 11:10:45 <Shapeshifter> andre__: well. They just take ages to fix something trivial, and don't really care about improvement requests, lots of them being sane. if you want something to happen, you have to do it yourself...
May 21 11:10:46 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, anything wrong about the man-db package in -devel? you never answered ;)
May 21 11:10:56 <andre__> Shapeshifter, I see... :-/
May 21 11:10:57 <Shapeshifter> andre__: but it's okay. still better then elsewhere ;)
May 21 11:11:01 <lcuk> morning \o
May 21 11:11:06 <MohammadAG> achipa, will Qt 4.7 follow?
May 21 11:11:13 <MohammadAG> o/ lcuk
May 21 11:11:20 <achipa> morning o/
May 21 11:11:52 * MohammadAG sees something about "Nokia and yahoo..." in his RSS feed
May 21 11:12:03 <lcuk> X-Fade o_O @ Opera, cool beans
May 21 11:12:13 <achipa> MohammadAG: as far as I am concerned, yes, but the exact features supported before the actual Qt4.7 release will depend on upstream
May 21 11:12:33 <X-Fade> lcuk: Yep, nice :)
May 21 11:12:34 <MohammadAG> actual?
May 21 11:12:56 <RST38h> Yahoo is buying Nokia
May 21 11:13:00 * RST38h ducks
May 21 11:13:04 <Appiah> :)
May 21 11:13:10 * lcuk slaps RST38h 
May 21 11:13:15 <MohammadAG> ~nuke RST38h
May 21 11:13:16 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at RST38h ... B☢☢M!
May 21 11:13:18 <RST38h> Actually, "Nokia buying Yahoo" sounds more belieavable
May 21 11:13:21 <achipa> MohammadAG: as in 'when a PR1.x containing Qt4.7 lands'
May 21 11:13:30 <RST38h> Services!
May 21 11:13:42 <achipa> (if there will be such a thing)
May 21 11:13:54 <lcuk> X-Fade, any idea whether this problem is albanc's package or something up with autobuilder itself: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-May/021954.html
May 21 11:14:07 <lcuk> theres a block of same failures
May 21 11:15:06 <lcuk> im thinking builder since it doesnt know which target
May 21 11:15:42 <Treibholz> hmm, still works in fennec, but not in microb....
May 21 11:15:43 <MohammadAG> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/21/nokia-and-yahoo-announcing-partnership-monday/
May 21 11:16:19 <albanc> lcuk, X-Fade, uid not found: 30260: I get the access for maemo-extras-devel today, maybe a problem with that?
May 21 11:16:39 <akumar> adeus: sb-conf show,
May 21 11:16:54 <akumar> Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486
May 21 11:16:54 <akumar> Devkits: perl debian-etch doctools svn git
May 21 11:16:54 <akumar> CPU-transparency: none
May 21 11:17:04 <lcuk> albanc, its probably penance for us doing pr1.2 ;)
May 21 11:17:29 <Shapeshifter> so, does someone know a nice theme that has an industrial "wasteland" kind of look?
May 21 11:17:44 <Shapeshifter> tired pip-boy-3000, don't like it.
May 21 11:17:46 <Shapeshifter> *tried
May 21 11:17:53 <Stskeeps> Shapeshifter: go for anything remotely android looking
May 21 11:17:53 <Stskeeps> :P
May 21 11:18:02 <Shapeshifter> :P
May 21 11:18:08 <lcuk> albanc, did you upload via the web based wizard, or did you use dput?
May 21 11:18:18 <albanc> lcuk, dput
May 21 11:18:28 <MohammadAG> pubkey updated?
May 21 11:18:51 <lcuk> well he got app up there :P
May 21 11:18:58 <albanc> I uploaded my ssh key before
May 21 11:19:06 <lcuk> if the pubkey was wrong it wouldnt have gone up ?
May 21 11:19:51 <albanc> I tried to upload again, but dput says it is already uploaded so it does not upload it again
May 21 11:20:15 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I've only used dput twice :P
May 21 11:20:19 <MohammadAG> I keep breaking sbox
May 21 11:20:28 <lcuk> yeah well you are special
May 21 11:20:33 <MohammadAG> and i can't bother to keep updating keys
May 21 11:20:34 <MohammadAG> lol
May 21 11:27:41 <akumar> plaese any one suggest me, how to resolve the error ;  /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11:  3294 Floating point exception(core dumped) "$@".
May 21 11:27:54 <akumar> maemo Qt application  written in cpp.
May 21 11:27:55 <akumar> details of error : http://pastebin.com/FeHR4tNZ
May 21 11:27:56 <akssps011_> Hi, when I login to maemo scratchbox , it says no current target. How can I set it ?
May 21 11:29:42 <X-Fade> akssps011_: sb-menu
May 21 11:29:51 <akssps011_> sb-menu too shows an empty list in sb-menu also. Should adding FREMANTLE_X86 would do ?
May 21 11:30:11 <X-Fade> That means you don't have targets created yet.
May 21 11:30:55 <akssps011_> X-Fade: so if Iselect Setup a target and write FREMANTLE_X86 their. Would it do ?
May 21 11:31:15 <akumar>  akssps011_: you can install the target fron FREMANTLE_X86 from sb-menu
May 21 11:31:23 <X-Fade> akssps011_: No, you need to do more. Check the documentaion on manually setting up a target.
May 21 11:34:38 <MohammadAG> ~MaemoSDK
May 21 11:34:39 <infobot> it has been said that maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
May 21 11:35:32 <lcuk> o_O X-Fade when albanc used dput to upload it caused the errors, he just went via the web assistant and it passed
May 21 11:35:43 <Arkenoi> does modest UI still suck in leakware (5 clicks to get to your inbox)?
May 21 11:36:40 <MohammadAG> compile the newest source and find out ;)
May 21 11:37:44 <minttux> how can i select a text from browser
May 21 11:38:01 <MohammadAG> :/
May 21 11:38:04 <MohammadAG> RTFM
May 21 11:38:16 <MohammadAG> (or swipe from bottom left)
May 21 11:38:45 <Surfa> or just left
May 21 11:38:45 <Wizzup> Does anyone else get: "ERROR: could not parse reponse" when using irerco?
May 21 11:38:49 <Wizzup> irreco*
May 21 11:38:54 <akssps011_> +infobot thanks. Now I am getting [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~]. How can I revert back to sbox-: ~
May 21 11:39:10 <MohammadAG> why
May 21 11:40:00 <lcuk> akssps011_, believe me - its better to keep the target type there
May 21 11:40:06 <lcuk> it saves lots of hair pulling and faff
May 21 11:40:34 <albanc> lcuk, for planet maemo, who should I ask?
May 21 11:40:58 <MohammadAG> GAN?
May 21 11:41:21 <akssps011_> lcuck: I wanted to add FERMANTLE ARMEL also. that's why I asked
May 21 11:41:21 <lcuk> albanc, if you already sent your application via the web interface it will be sat on the pending queu
May 21 11:41:40 <akssps011_> lcuck: is there any way
May 21 11:42:00 <albanc> lcuk, I sent my application by email Monday on planet@maemo.org
May 21 11:42:13 <lcuk> i think X-Fade reviews each carefully :P
May 21 11:44:01 <lcuk> ooer
May 21 11:44:22 * lcuk was just about to answer askkps011_
May 21 11:47:35 <lcuk> oh noes, lukes Nokia X[something] has to be sent off for repairs
May 21 11:47:49 <lcuk> they are giving him a temporary loaner :( its a rly old basic one :D
May 21 11:47:54 <lcuk> hes gonna be so gutted
May 21 11:48:47 <MohammadAG> X6?
May 21 11:48:52 <MohammadAG> give him the N900 :P
May 21 11:50:31 <lcuk> MohammadAG, i would but i havent got a spare one for him :)
May 21 11:50:45 <MohammadAG> give up yours, he's your son :P
May 21 11:51:01 <minttux> i press left button but not any affect for select text in browser
May 21 11:51:54 <lcuk> minttux, be a ninja.  seriously - from the left hand side of screen start a swipe from just below the earpiece speaker to the right onto the screen
May 21 11:51:56 <lcuk> ---->
May 21 11:51:58 <Schorschl> Hey guys, i've a question. Yesturday i've installed the mobilehotspot package. this package needs a modified kernel and some utillities to flash it. After removing this packages my n900 with maemo5 dont start up. everytime i turn it on, it will show the nokia logo and the moving bubbles. (the led light is on all time) after a blank screen, it will retry booting, but it doesnt work... maybe a wrong kernel?
May 21 11:52:14 <lcuk> minttux, then a magic button will appear what turns on the cursor mode
May 21 11:52:39 <lcuk> to the left of your screen *
May 21 11:52:45 <Schorschl> (and sorry for my bad grammar oO)
May 21 11:52:46 * lcuk should drink more coffee
May 21 11:53:30 <lcuk> bergie, didnt know you are on github :)
May 21 11:54:07 <Schorschl> any suggestions?
May 21 11:54:16 <bergie> lcuk: now we are :-)
May 21 11:54:32 <lcuk> indeed and im following the repos :) http://github.com/midgardproject
May 21 11:54:46 * lcuk is a githubber too
May 21 11:55:55 <faari> 14:55      faari : joka sivulla on tuollainen: Ari Haapasaari, 195164
May 21 11:56:05 <faari> damn, wrong button :)
May 21 11:57:11 <Schorschl> or someone know to boot the n900 with a specific kernel?
May 21 11:57:46 <bergie> lcuk: great! there are also some other interesting repos like http://github.com/nemein/MeeGo
May 21 11:58:23 <lcuk> Schorschl, if installing the package required updating the kernel then speak with the devs, is this package on maemo.org extras(-devel)?
May 21 11:59:53 <Schorschl> lcuk: this wouldn't help me. the device is unbootable. no "mobilehotspot" dev can help me now
May 21 12:00:16 * GAN900 yawns.
May 21 12:01:09 <Schorschl> maybe i can flash the complete firmware, but then all my contacts / messages are deleted. so i'll try to boot a specific kernel with the flasher utillity
May 21 12:01:21 <lcuk> Schorschl, so reflash?
May 21 12:01:34 <lcuk> and learn to take backups before you do stuff like that
May 21 12:02:02 <lcuk> and sure you can reflash kernels but whether that will help is another issue
May 21 12:02:02 <Stskeeps> Schorschl: the problem is you need to replace a modules package too
May 21 12:02:05 <Stskeeps> which you can't do easily
May 21 12:03:31 <Schorschl> is there an other chance to mount the filesystem on an other device?
May 21 12:03:59 <Schorschl> then i'll be able to copy the partition and reflash
May 21 12:05:22 <lcuk> Schorschl, yes, but it requires preplanning
May 21 12:05:37 <Schorschl> no problem
May 21 12:08:52 <Schorschl> lcuk: so it's possible to hold the 'u' button and connect it with usb and then use the mount command?
May 21 12:08:54 <ZogG> so i jailbroked my iphone-  now hat? =)
May 21 12:08:54 <ZogG>   
May 21 12:08:54 <ZogG> @zoggön!Ich hab morgen frei wer will mit mir saufen :-DSchatz ich liebe dich
May 21 12:09:01 <ZogG> damn =(
May 21 12:09:15 <ZogG> where this old msg come from?
May 21 12:09:23 <lcuk> Schorschl, try it
May 21 12:09:26 <Schorschl> ZogG : was hasten zu saufen da? :D
May 21 12:09:29 <lcuk> for the MyDocs partition possibly
May 21 12:09:38 <lcuk> but if its not even getting that far..
May 21 12:10:04 <ZogG> Schorschl it was old twitt msg i asked for tranlation for here
May 21 12:10:27 <Schorschl> ZogG : ok :) u know now what it means?
May 21 12:10:44 <ZogG> somethink about drinking
May 21 12:10:49 <Schorschl> yep^^
May 21 12:10:49 <ZogG> something*
May 21 12:11:57 <Schorschl> lcuk: the MyDocs partition is /dev/mmcpl0k1 and the root partition is /mmcpl0k0 maybe it will work....
May 21 12:15:14 <MohammadAG> o.O
May 21 12:15:28 <MohammadAG> /dev/mtd5 is the root partition afaik
May 21 12:15:53 <MohammadAG> /mmcblk0p0 is partition 0, and that never exists
May 21 12:16:05 <albanc> X-Fade, lcuk, I will publish a blog post about the new mapbuddy with contacts on the map. Any chance to have my blog added on planet maemo?
May 21 12:16:33 <X-Fade> albanc: Sure, I can do that.
May 21 12:17:01 <albanc> X-Fade, thanks! Do you need more information than in my email?
May 21 12:17:35 <X-Fade> albanc: No, that is enough. Will add it now.
May 21 12:20:02 <lcuk> albanc, the mapbuddy stuff will help at confs too hopefully
May 21 12:20:10 <lcuk> when we all need to meetup at bars
May 21 12:21:43 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG, pong?
May 21 12:24:34 <MohammadAG> GeneralAntilles, did I ping you? don't recall doing that
May 21 12:24:49 <akumar> when i run simple hello.c program in scratchbox, using gcc hello.c: compile successfully but when run ./a.out then fire the error: Floating point exception (core dumped)
May 21 12:25:02 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG, ah, I see.
May 21 12:25:05 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG, Planet.
May 21 12:25:09 <GeneralAntilles> and, no, talk to X-Fade for that. ;)
May 21 12:25:54 <lcuk> jaffa, ping - did any further discussion about hermes importing maemo.org contacts occur?
May 21 12:25:58 <kamui_> nice ports in extras dev I noticed last night
May 21 12:26:08 <lcuk> mind you, i dunno how it would do it
May 21 12:26:41 <lcuk> mmm X-Fade how would we deal with showing friends on maemo.org
May 21 12:36:54 <akumar> please any one welcome to suggest me solution for this.
May 21 12:37:00 <akumar> when i run simple hello.c program in scratchbox, using gcc hello.c: compile successfully but when run ./a.out then fire the error: Floating point exception (core dumped)
May 21 12:38:25 <smoku> does anyone see what exactly FAILED here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/openredalert_r534-1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt ?
May 21 12:38:25 <phellarv_> akumar: Getting closer to weekend - Everything's gonna get floating in beer.
May 21 12:41:52 <lcuk> smoku, mmm   X-Fade this package failure smoku just said has pulled in the man-db that MohammadAG uploaded to -devel, im starting to wonder whether it could be causing random failures?
May 21 12:42:33 <lcuk> i think having packages in -devel that are expected to come from the sdk is a bit wrong
May 21 12:46:05 <MohammadAG> lcuk, i suppose a = can be used, but that's stupid
May 21 12:46:14 <MohammadAG> should I change the package name?
May 21 12:46:26 <smoku> lcuk: ok. then https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10231
May 21 12:46:27 <povbot`> Bug 10231: Builder fails buils with unknown reason
May 21 12:48:03 <MohammadAG> smoku, why does it pull in man-db?
May 21 12:48:26 <MohammadAG> try using versioned dependencies, if that works it's my man-db package
May 21 12:48:54 <MohammadAG> guess the autobuilder never read the -devel warning ;)
May 21 12:48:58 <akumar>  i am using scratchbox and details about error here, http://pastebin.com/XSffLnDC, please any one suggest me solutions.
May 21 12:49:10 <Schorschl> is there a failsafe kernel available? know how to boot with a specific kernel image
May 21 12:49:17 <lcuk> MohammadAG, autobuilder needs -devel most of the time
May 21 12:49:44 <smoku> MohammadAG: you ask _me_?
May 21 12:49:46 <MohammadAG> lcuk, sarcasm :P
May 21 12:49:52 <smoku> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/openredalert_r534-1/sources/openredalert_r534-1.dsc
May 21 12:49:52 <smoku> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libsdl1.2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev
May 21 12:49:55 <lcuk> Schorschl, did you ever read the -devel / root warning too
May 21 12:50:20 <lcuk> debhelper i think depends on some other things that depend on man-db
May 21 12:50:44 <Schorschl> yes, but i think its a broken kernel image
May 21 12:51:05 <lcuk> what makes you think that?
May 21 12:51:15 <E0x> i need the sdk for doing something like the notification of volumen level ?
May 21 12:51:27 <E0x> or i can do it just with gtk
May 21 12:51:43 <E0x> good morning BTW
May 21 12:51:45 <E0x> :D
May 21 12:51:47 <lcuk> E0x, you need the sdk to build/test your work
May 21 12:51:53 <lcuk> and raw gtk looks like donkey poop
May 21 12:52:05 <SpeedEvil> ssh root@phone \ root@phone's password:  \ PTY allocation request failed on channel 0
May 21 12:52:07 <SpeedEvil> thoughts?
May 21 12:52:09 <lcuk> it doesnt get themed without hildonisation
May 21 12:52:11 <E0x> lcuk: i am doing some pyhon program i think i don't need build
May 21 12:52:18 <Stskeeps> SpeedEvil: don't have so many xterms open
May 21 12:52:21 <lcuk> sure then E0x
May 21 12:52:34 <lcuk> just make it, package it and deploy it
May 21 12:52:41 <lcuk> theres many python devs around
May 21 12:52:59 <lcuk> theres even python packaging tools direct on the device
May 21 12:53:00 <SpeedEvil> Hmm. Three is two many?
May 21 12:53:02 <Schorschl> cause i remember some output from apt...  but i have no kernel image, and dont want to download the scratchbox to build one
May 21 12:53:25 <E0x> i am doing a current desktop indicator i am need show the number of the desktop
May 21 12:53:29 <E0x> when you change it
May 21 12:53:32 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, /dev/pts isn't mounted?
May 21 12:53:42 <E0x> the part of watch the change of the desktop is done
May 21 12:53:51 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: Download a firmware image. Unpack using the flasher. Flash only the kernel
May 21 12:53:52 <E0x> i just need the display/show part
May 21 12:53:52 <MohammadAG> try apt-getting something, if /dev/pts isn't mounted it'll throw an error
May 21 12:53:56 <lcuk> Schorschl, your machine is in a boot loop?  ie its generally loaded the kernel started some apps (especially the loading screen) and something is failing within
May 21 12:54:07 <lcuk> however you have no user friendly mechanism to find out what
May 21 12:54:12 <lcuk> save time, reflash
May 21 12:54:21 <lcuk> then read up about the recovery stuff
May 21 12:54:25 <lcuk> and take backups
May 21 12:55:04 <SpeedEvil> It should be quite simple to make a kernel that will boot using flasher -k - and load a rootfs on the SD card - so you can play with stuff. I've not seen it though
May 21 12:55:19 <lcuk> if the kernel were busted it wouldnt get as far as the loading screen (5 dots)
May 21 12:55:31 <lcuk> would it?
May 21 12:55:33 <Schorschl> maybe the kernel is not broken... what parameters can i give him, to have a chance to successfull boot
May 21 12:56:18 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: nope.
May 21 12:56:32 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: It would fail silently with a decompression error.
May 21 12:57:05 <lcuk> Schorschl, could try -dontfail
May 21 12:57:11 <lcuk> or -noerrors
May 21 12:57:19 <lcuk> or -justworkdamnyou
May 21 12:57:41 <lcuk> brb rebooting laptop
May 21 12:58:35 <Schorschl> friendly ...
May 21 12:59:21 <lcuk> Schorschl, of course
May 21 13:00:16 <lcuk> if there was a simple series of steps you could try i would have pointed you there already.  if you want to spend time investigating then cool, please log stuff on the maemo.org wiki and i will point others there
May 21 13:00:25 <Schorschl> SpeedEvil : qry?
May 21 13:00:34 <lcuk> as it stands tho your machine is in a bootloop and pretty much the only thing you can do is reflash
May 21 13:00:48 <Schorschl> lcuk: that isnt possible
May 21 13:00:50 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: I am not aware of anything that will help you.
May 21 13:01:06 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: why not?
May 21 13:01:32 * MohammadAG_ is missing the problem
May 21 13:01:45 <MohammadAG_> if it's a kernel f up, reflash the stock kernel
May 21 13:02:39 <Schorschl> yes, but where i can find one? i cant download the scratchbox cause i have 50kb/s downstream
May 21 13:03:21 <lcuk> Schorschl, perhaps for everyone concerned you could restate your problem from the start
May 21 13:03:41 <lcuk> rather than being fixated on a single thing
May 21 13:03:55 <MohammadAG_> Schorschl, hmm, there's a 1.8MB package afaik
May 21 13:04:00 <MohammadAG_> kernel is it's name
May 21 13:04:21 <Jaffa> lcuk: No
May 21 13:04:57 <crashanddie_> if you're a brit, and meet and aussie, you should sing: "Get your shit stars, get your shit stars, get your shit stars off our flag!"
May 21 13:10:01 <SpeedEvil> I thought the proper etiquette was to ask if he used vegimite when being intimate with his kangaroo.
May 21 13:10:36 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl:
May 21 13:10:53 <SpeedEvil> (01:53:50 PM) SpeedEvil: Schorschl: Download a firmware image. Unpack using the flasher. Flash only the kernel
May 21 13:11:38 <Schorschl> oh didn't see your message
May 21 13:11:46 <Schorschl> thanks, i'll try it
May 21 13:11:52 <hatake_kakashi> and if you're a brit visiting Australia you'd be called a pom :p
May 21 13:12:16 <SpeedEvil> hatake_kakashi: And asked about your porn collection.
May 21 13:12:30 <talonz> not another pom in australia ;o
May 21 13:12:34 <hatake_kakashi> SpeedEvil, not likely
May 21 13:12:51 <SpeedEvil> hatake_kakashi: Actually - certainly.
May 21 13:13:14 <Schorschl> uah 188MB download... time to make some coffee
May 21 13:13:26 <hatake_kakashi> SpeedEvil, got some evidence? ;)
May 21 13:13:31 <SpeedEvil> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/05/20/1313213/Australia-Air-Travelers-Laptops-To-Be-Searched-For-Porn
May 21 13:13:50 <hatake_kakashi> bleh yet another /.
May 21 13:15:01 <leino> hi guys.. trying to manually install some software on my n900
May 21 13:15:08 <leino> but /usr doesnt have a whole lot of space on it
May 21 13:15:22 <leino> how did you guys solve this?
May 21 13:16:19 <Appiah> Well, I for one dont install manually
May 21 13:16:30 <SpeedEvil> leino: Alter the package so that it doesn't put stuff in /usr
May 21 13:16:44 <hatake_kakashi> maybe via sdhc or resizing /home/user/MyDocs (not that I've tried it)
May 21 13:16:46 <SpeedEvil> Or unpack it somewhere else, and then do that
May 21 13:17:15 <leino> any Idea of where to install stuff then
May 21 13:17:30 <smoku> /opt/maemo
May 21 13:17:31 <leino> /dev/mmcblk0p1 is pretty big, mounted on /home/user/MyDocs
May 21 13:18:18 <Schorschl> leino: for the future... u can move the /var/cache/apt to your myDocs partition.. this will save ~ 10MB on the root partition
May 21 13:18:59 <hatake_kakashi> that's if you want to back up installed/downloaded packages from the repo
May 21 13:19:05 <leino> smoku: the device on which /opt/maemo resides only has like 1.7G's available
May 21 13:19:10 <leino> that will run out pretty soon
May 21 13:19:25 <chem|st> leino: doesnt
May 21 13:19:25 <smoku> Schorschl: and slowdown installations even more ;-)
May 21 13:19:36 <Schorschl> smoku: not really
May 21 13:19:44 <leino> chemlst: wha?
May 21 13:19:45 <smoku> leino: your app is THAT big?
May 21 13:20:09 <leino> smoku: I am planning to install more apps in the future
May 21 13:20:22 <smoku> leino: more than 2 gigs?
May 21 13:20:50 <leino> why not, I have a 24G hd in there
May 21 13:20:59 * lcuk gasps
May 21 13:21:02 <SpeedEvil> leino: There are not I suspect 2G of actual apps.
May 21 13:21:11 <SpeedEvil> leino: if you installed them all.
May 21 13:21:13 * hatake_kakashi thinks someone is going to install the whole maemo repository
May 21 13:21:35 <chem|st> leino: my full blown debian install is now up to 16GB, so what do you want to install?
May 21 13:21:48 <chem|st> hatake_kakashi: >30GB
May 21 13:22:07 <leino> ok, so the standard (which I suppose I'll stick to for now) is to install stuff in /opt ?
May 21 13:22:16 <chem|st> yes
May 21 13:22:28 <smoku> it gives me creeps if someones uses "only" and "GB" in one sentence ;-)
May 21 13:22:39 <hatake_kakashi> chem|st, which is why /home/user/MyDocs is a temporary solution until one gets sick of it and gets one of those sdhc with 16GB on it :)
May 21 13:22:58 <smoku> there were times we had to fit in 16kB and yet did wonders
May 21 13:23:27 <leino> smoku: thats not why I got a n900 tho :)
May 21 13:23:29 <chem|st> hatake_kakashi: realy? you need diablo repos and stuff?
May 21 13:23:55 <chem|st> or x86.deb ?
May 21 13:24:00 <hatake_kakashi> chem|st, no no, not myself personally, I'm just speculating on what leino is trying to achieve
May 21 13:24:24 <smoku> leino: still, I have no idea where would you get 2GB of apps for N900
May 21 13:24:37 <chem|st> those >30GB is all repos not only fremantle arm stuff
May 21 13:24:50 <pyhimys> smoku: oh you were lucky! We used to dream of having 16kB! Our managers beat us to death every day and all we had to code with was a lump of cold poison!
May 21 13:25:02 <leino> smoku: I guess I'd have to port some stuff
May 21 13:25:23 <leino> right now Im trying to install a the armel port of ghc (a haskell compiler) for instance
May 21 13:25:28 <leino> hardly in the maemo repos
May 21 13:25:34 <lcuk> leino, i and other will be happy to discuss finding a method to extend the /home partition
May 21 13:26:02 <lcuk> its just something not many people have encountered yet
May 21 13:26:27 <leino> is the installation location hard-coded into a .deb package? or can I change it when I run dpkg -i *.deb ?
May 21 13:26:46 <crashanddie_> stskeeps: vegemite is a crime against humanity and should be discussed between civilised people. However, residents of a penal colony seem to be exempt of this rule.
May 21 13:26:52 <chem|st> lcuk: was part of early discussions... but 2GB is enough for now
May 21 13:26:56 <lcuk> usually hard coded, because the files used by the app expect things in specific locations
May 21 13:27:02 <lcuk> yeah chem|st
May 21 13:27:05 <Stskeeps> crashanddie_: what?
May 21 13:27:05 <Stskeeps> :P
May 21 13:27:10 <crashanddie_> s/should/should not/
May 21 13:27:10 <infobot> crashanddie_ meant: stskeeps: vegemite is a crime against humanity and should not be discussed between civilised people. However, residents of a penal colony seem to be exempt of this rule.
May 21 13:27:30 <Stskeeps> where did that come from? :P
May 21 13:28:03 <crashanddie_> ah crap, it was speedevil
May 21 13:28:07 <leino> lcuk: then how do I go about installing stuff in /opt ?
May 21 13:28:20 <lcuk> leino, your own packages?
May 21 13:28:35 <leino> you mean re-package a .deb?
May 21 13:28:43 <lcuk> i dont mean that
May 21 13:28:57 <crashanddie_> lcuk: you won the use of a facepalm
May 21 13:29:05 <leino> ok, I have an existing .deb package that wants to place stuff in /usr
May 21 13:29:47 <leino> so it's not "my own package"
May 21 13:29:51 <lcuk> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs
May 21 13:30:14 <leino> thanks!
May 21 13:30:18 <chem|st> leino: dpkg -i --root=/path/ package.deb
May 21 13:30:50 <lcuk> crashanddie_, why a facepalm
May 21 13:30:58 <leino> chem|st: that simple huh?
May 21 13:31:20 <chem|st> or just unpack and repack like you want
May 21 13:31:56 <leino> chem|st: but the --root option seems so much easier.. if it does what I expect it to
May 21 13:32:40 <chem|st> leino: if you tell dpkg that $dir is / then install dir is $dir/$deb-folderstructure
May 21 13:33:17 <chem|st> leino: I dont know if that does what you want as I dont know what you want
May 21 13:33:35 <leino> chem|st: ok, so the "standard" is --root=/opt/maemo or --root=/opt ?
May 21 13:34:08 <chem|st> leino: no
May 21 13:34:53 <chem|st> the standard is to put everything large in to /opt/$game and symlinks to the previous places
May 21 13:35:18 <leino> you lost me at $game
May 21 13:35:45 <chem|st> leino: if you do --root=/opt/maemo as standard most apps wont work ever
May 21 13:36:11 <leino> allright
May 21 13:36:28 <leino> so if I want to install ghc, I better do --root=/opt/ghc
May 21 13:37:42 <chem|st> leino: you got a pckg game.deb which installs its game files with 100s of MB into /usr/share/ , you repack the game.deb to put its game-files into /opt/game/ and put symlinks in /usr/share/ to point to /opt/game
May 21 13:37:52 <chem|st> leino: no
May 21 13:38:32 <chem|st> its like installing into empty space
May 21 13:39:28 <chem|st> as the programfiles are in /opt/ghc/ but they are looking at / as reference
May 21 13:39:29 <leino> ok, because the game expects stuff to be in /usr/x
May 21 13:39:29 <Schorschl> lcuk: there is no boot loop... only when the device is connected via usb. when not, it shows the dots and going off
May 21 13:40:27 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: that is getting to userspace.
May 21 13:40:42 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: the dots are started early in userspace-from a script.
May 21 13:45:09 <Schorschl> SpeedEvil : then not the kernel?
May 21 13:47:52 <Schorschl> or is it a battery issue?
May 21 13:48:23 <zlimvos> anyone would know a one liner from xterm to disable screen light timeour?
May 21 13:49:16 <Stskeeps> not sure one exists, but that would be nice
May 21 13:49:27 <Stskeeps> ah, you aren't talking about escape commands..
May 21 13:49:54 <Schorschl> zlimvos : install the brightness apllication
May 21 13:50:09 <Schorschl> i didn't know the name, cause my n900 is dead :D
May 21 13:50:38 <zlimvos> schorschl: ah ok :D i'll search for it, thx
May 21 13:52:14 <Schorschl> then u can select the brightnes from the icon list and make a tick by "keep screen on"
May 21 13:53:44 <Schorschl> any ideas why the n900 wouldn't go into rom mode? pressed u and connected the usb cable, but there is no usb icon at the top of the screen
May 21 13:54:32 <smoku> zlimvos: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso/group__Devstate.html#gbd82d7b0160e26cd15479f2685697322
May 21 13:55:18 <crashanddie> Schorschl: connect the USB cable before
May 21 13:55:39 <Schorschl> tried, same
May 21 13:55:56 <crashanddie> Schorschl: make sure the N900 is completely "off"
May 21 13:55:57 <smoku> Schorschl: turn off the device and plug USB
May 21 13:56:16 <smoku> you don't have to turn it on before flashing
May 21 13:56:35 <Schorschl> battery out, put usb cable, press u, battery in  - same
May 21 13:58:46 <crashanddie> Schorschl: that would actually boot the device in charge mode
May 21 13:59:06 <DrGrov> Good day to all
May 21 13:59:52 <Schorschl> i tried so many ways
May 21 14:00:35 <crashanddie> Schorschl: no, you're trying the wrong ways
May 21 14:00:38 <crashanddie> Schorschl: read the doc
May 21 14:00:43 <crashanddie> Schorschl: and apply what it says
May 21 14:01:00 <Schorschl> i read it, last 30 minutes, it works
May 21 14:01:07 <Schorschl> but now, nothing
May 21 14:01:17 <Schorschl> tried to use the rom mode to copy the filesystem
May 21 14:18:18 <zlimvos> smoku: excellent thanx
May 21 14:19:04 <pupnik_> smoku is* excellent
May 21 14:22:01 <MohammadAG_> ShadowJK, 3.22V is an empty batt right?
May 21 14:22:31 <DocScrutinizer> rather
May 21 14:22:51 <DocScrutinizer> depends on your definition of "empty"
May 21 14:23:13 <MohammadAG_> device won't boot up?
May 21 14:23:20 <DocScrutinizer> probably not
May 21 14:23:33 <MohammadAG_> device won't flash?
May 21 14:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> iirc 3V5 needed to boot
May 21 14:23:51 <DocScrutinizer> for sure won't flash
May 21 14:24:00 <MohammadAG_> Schorschl, ^
May 21 14:24:09 <Schorschl> hum?
May 21 14:25:01 <Schorschl> how much needed to boot?
May 21 14:25:41 <Schorschl> i've charged 2 hours, it cant be empty ....
May 21 14:25:48 <Schorschl> *carged it
May 21 14:26:00 <MohammadAG_> bme isn't starting maybe
May 21 14:26:14 <MohammadAG_> but from what I remember, DocScrutinizer it should charge at 100mA
May 21 14:26:36 <MohammadAG_> brb, microb acting up
May 21 14:27:12 <DocScrutinizer> when device doesn't boot ("NOKIA" b&w screen), then it will charge @100mA for 32minutes
May 21 14:28:30 <Schorschl> ok, it's plugged and i'll wait one hour
May 21 14:28:36 <Schorschl> *plugged in
May 21 14:28:44 <DocScrutinizer> so you should plug in to wallcharger, let it charge for 30min (steady yellow indicator will lit), after 30min unplug and replug again
May 21 14:29:34 <DocScrutinizer> watch device as it may boot during this emergency charge, when battery reaches minimum voltage
May 21 14:29:52 <DocScrutinizer> indicator light will start to flash
May 21 14:30:35 <DocScrutinizer> if that happens, DO NOT unplug, but rather keep it charging until indicator turns green (~3..4h)
May 21 14:30:56 <Schorschl> DocScrutinizer : the wallcharger is plugged in, but the led doesn't glow and it vibrates every 40 seconds
May 21 14:31:06 <DocScrutinizer> OMG
May 21 14:31:41 <DocScrutinizer> remove plug and batery, wait 1min, reinsert battery, plug charger
May 21 14:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: if you 'charged' 2h in this vibrator kicking way, then FOR SURE your battery is *empty* :-D
May 21 14:35:10 <Schorschl> yes, i didnt noticed
May 21 14:35:28 <Schorschl> but your tip don't help^^^
May 21 14:35:33 <DocScrutinizer> does it charge now?
May 21 14:35:40 <DocScrutinizer> yellow indicator?
May 21 14:35:41 <Schorschl> nope
May 21 14:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> that's actually bad
May 21 14:36:01 <Schorschl> it turns on, when i plug it in
May 21 14:36:12 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, not that bad
May 21 14:36:46 <Schorschl> but then it's in a "battery die" - "reboot" loop
May 21 14:36:55 <DocScrutinizer> so I guess it's charging anyway? Lokk screen with the slider switch
May 21 14:37:08 <DocScrutinizer> hmm :-/
May 21 14:37:31 <Schorschl> no reaktion
May 21 14:37:35 <Schorschl> *reaction
May 21 14:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> you're using the original wallcharger, do you?
May 21 14:37:51 <Schorschl> yep
May 21 14:38:06 <DocScrutinizer> seems you destroyed your root-fs
May 21 14:38:22 <MohammadAG_> or kernel
May 21 14:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> or that
May 21 14:38:37 <MohammadAG_> or the port (muhahahaha jk)
May 21 14:38:52 <Schorschl> but it must carge with a broken root-fs
May 21 14:39:10 <Schorschl> the port is ok, it tries to start when i plug it in
May 21 14:39:28 <DocScrutinizer> which is pretty bad if you get a deadlock like "battery empty, doesn't charge due to kernel/rootfs defect, can't flash new due to empty battery"
May 21 14:39:44 <nidO> the solution does only cost like £3 though
May 21 14:39:53 <nidO> its an annoyance more than a dead device
May 21 14:40:55 <DocScrutinizer> nidO: so share your solution please :-)
May 21 14:41:11 <nidO> charge the battery with a desktop charger....
May 21 14:41:31 * DocScrutinizer *knew* he's going to say that :-P
May 21 14:43:51 <auenf> welp, still cant disable call forwarding options :/
May 21 14:44:34 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: you could try to hold or immediately push the powerbutton while/after charger plug in. This *might* keep the device from full booting and light up the yellow charging indicator (via minimal boot which aiui might work even with borked root-fs)
May 21 14:45:04 <DocScrutinizer> if you flashed a broken kernel though, your chances are small
May 21 14:45:09 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, NOLO afaik
May 21 14:45:42 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG_: dunno if NOLO charges battery
May 21 14:45:43 <Schorschl> when i was 8 years old and my gameboy batteries was empty, i put the batteries in my trouser pocket.... after 3 minutes i had 5 more minutes.... but i dont know if this will work for li-io batteries :D
May 21 14:46:00 <DocScrutinizer> won't
May 21 14:46:01 <MohammadAG_> LOL
May 21 14:46:52 <Schorschl> y, a higher battery temperature give some more mV
May 21 14:47:57 <Schorschl> but i don't know for which battery type this would work
May 21 14:48:31 <achipa> in fact, it's the other way round... if you can't boot, you put your battery in the fridge/cooler :)
May 21 14:49:24 <Schorschl> this will work for old harddisks :D
May 21 14:49:49 <Schorschl> if the reading head don't move
May 21 14:50:35 <johnsq> Hi
May 21 14:53:52 <Schorschl> uhh, now it was in flashing mode...
May 21 14:58:42 <Schorschl> so, try carging the battery with a desktop charger?
May 21 15:00:20 <Schorschl> or it's not a ggod idea?
May 21 15:01:15 <Schorschl> DocScrutinizer: ?
May 21 15:01:39 <flux> btw, is it reasonable to do 'emergency' charging of a battery with a laboratory power source?
May 21 15:03:22 <MohammadAG_> Schorschl, i use 1.5 buck charger from ebay
May 21 15:03:32 <MohammadAG_> seems to cut off power when battery is full
May 21 15:03:40 <MohammadAG_> and it uses a nokia 2mm charger
May 21 15:03:48 <MohammadAG_> so, yeah, could be safe
May 21 15:04:51 <Schorschl> i live in germany, it's a bit different to your chargers
May 21 15:05:14 <Schorschl> but how much V and mA i should give to the battery?
May 21 15:06:00 <MohammadAG_> nope, germany uses the same chargers as ours
May 21 15:06:21 <MohammadAG_> no idea, have a look at the bottom of a charger
May 21 15:06:49 <Schorschl> 5V 1200mA  thanks :D
May 21 15:06:52 <MohammadAG_> 5V, 890mA on my 2mm charger
May 21 15:06:59 <odin_> maybe 1200Ma is a little high !
May 21 15:07:02 <odin_> start at 200mA !
May 21 15:07:13 <MohammadAG_> default of the original N900 charger
May 21 15:07:20 <Schorschl> usb deliver 500mA
May 21 15:07:25 <MohammadAG_> my desktop charger only allows 500
May 21 15:07:34 <odin_> maybe so but when experimenting best to use low voltage (and wait longer!)
May 21 15:07:42 <MohammadAG_> use 500 then (ask DocScrutinizer or ShadowJK to be safe)
May 21 15:07:45 <odin_> opps low amperage
May 21 15:07:55 <MohammadAG_> umm
May 21 15:07:58 <MohammadAG_> wait!
May 21 15:08:07 <Schorschl> 500mA should be good
May 21 15:08:10 <MohammadAG_> it charges at 100 when flat right?
May 21 15:08:13 <DocScrutinizer> eeh?
May 21 15:08:28 <MohammadAG_> the emergency charge
May 21 15:08:40 <MohammadAG_> it charges at 5V
May 21 15:08:42 <odin_> you dont need to emeergnecy charge it yourself
May 21 15:08:56 <odin_> you just need to put enough juice in it to charge it normally right ?
May 21 15:09:04 <Schorschl> y
May 21 15:09:23 <odin_> so use low mA (compared to normal chargers) and just wait a little longer
May 21 15:09:59 <Schorschl> 100mA ?
May 21 15:10:21 <odin_> 100mA for 60 minutes should give you plenty to charge it normally
May 21 15:10:30 <DocScrutinizer> emergency charge charges @500mA if charger gets detected
May 21 15:11:22 <Schorschl> then i can load the battery with power from usb
May 21 15:11:25 <odin_> what is the mAH capacaity anyway?
May 21 15:11:34 <Schorschl> thats 100mA and 5V
May 21 15:12:08 <DocScrutinizer> you *can* charge this type of LiIon with up to ~2A, but you MUST use a charger circuit that either limits charge voltage to 4.20V, or even stops charging on more complex criteria
May 21 15:12:36 <Schorschl> the battery ha 4.9mWH
May 21 15:12:38 <odin_> and at 2.1A is makes a good firework huh!
May 21 15:12:53 <DocScrutinizer> using a lab PSU may be possible and safe, if you limit voltage to 4.20V and current to 2A, better 1A
May 21 15:13:19 <mintux> can I define socket proxy for browser ?
May 21 15:13:22 <Schorschl> the battery has 3 pins, first ist +, second is -   right?
May 21 15:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 21 15:13:36 <odin_> still think its way too high Amps to just put a little juice in it to be able to use a proper charger, the higher the Amps the less room you have for errors
May 21 15:13:41 <DocScrutinizer> it's written on the battery afaik
May 21 15:14:00 <Schorschl> ok, then i can charge it from usb power
May 21 15:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> why do you think that's OK?
May 21 15:14:33 <Schorschl> usb give 5V and 100mA
May 21 15:14:41 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 21 15:15:02 <Schorschl> if the device ask the host, it will receive 500mA
May 21 15:15:14 <Schorschl> usb 2.0 specs
May 21 15:15:24 <odin_> but batt is dead, so no power up, so no USB driver, so no ask host
May 21 15:15:27 <DocScrutinizer> 5V is way too high voltage, and USB can give anything from 100mA (even 0mA) to ~2A, depending on USB source
May 21 15:15:41 <odin_> hence the needs to emergency charge it, so it can then be charged properly
May 21 15:16:20 <odin_> maybe the NOLO driver should be able to charge at 100mA and flash the light to say its doing it
May 21 15:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: that's nonsense (the USB specs wrt 100mA/500mA) that's minimum, not real life
May 21 15:16:23 <Schorschl> odin_ : i have a usb cable with two wires
May 21 15:16:35 <odin_> it is a min you are right
May 21 15:16:53 <odin_> but most USB Also has "current limiting" devices to stop one device bringing down the host
May 21 15:16:59 * DocScrutinizer shrugs and wishes "happy fireworks"
May 21 15:17:08 <Schorschl> ok, i'll use my multimeter before charging the battery
May 21 15:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, use it a last time n your life ;-P
May 21 15:17:31 <Schorschl> cause i have no charger with open wires
May 21 15:17:35 <odin_> if you have lab PSU I presume you have lab meter for volts/amps so this shoulds better than USB
May 21 15:17:44 <odin_> unless you are using proper USB lead
May 21 15:18:07 <DocScrutinizer> you guys are nuts
May 21 15:19:28 <Schorschl> but how can that happen?
May 21 15:19:46 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl needs a pretty much 100% charged battery to reflash his borked kernel/rootfs
May 21 15:20:00 <odin_> fireworks you mean ?
May 21 15:20:17 <Schorschl> no, that deadlock
May 21 15:20:21 <DocScrutinizer> I STRONGLY DISCURRAGE you to try and charge a LiIon to full by such crude means
May 21 15:20:28 <odin_> put your lab goggle on your head, turn up the LAB PSU to max, hook it up and give it 30 seconds
May 21 15:20:51 <odin_> no one talked of full charges just an emergency charge to get a proper charger going
May 21 15:21:17 <DocScrutinizer> odin_: his proper charger IS BORKED
May 21 15:21:39 <DocScrutinizer> emergency charge would be handled by N900 quite nicely :-S
May 21 15:21:48 <odin_> maybe put it in the microwave for 3 minutes, 800watts, that should do it
May 21 15:22:02 <Schorschl> lunchtime
May 21 15:22:44 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, I use pecan, and there's some in my house, so yeah i guess i'm nuts
May 21 15:22:47 * odin_ wonders what Schorschl is cooking for lunch
May 21 15:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> odin_: no destructive advice please! rm -rf or microwave are usually a kickban
May 21 15:23:29 <odin_> he asked how fireworks can happen, I cited 2 cases
May 21 15:23:38 <Schorschl> come on. no one is so stupid ...
May 21 15:23:42 <DocScrutinizer> that was pretty unclear
May 21 15:24:06 <Schorschl> nobody put his battery in a microwave
May 21 15:24:07 <DocScrutinizer> you'd be surprised, and you've been warned
May 21 15:24:30 <odin_> well the convo was between me and him (not me and you) so providing he did not get confused, does it matter it wasn't unclear to you ?
May 21 15:24:42 <MohammadAG_> yes, he's an op
May 21 15:24:52 <Schorschl> ok, crazy physics... buy no normal human
May 21 15:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> no, odin_ - the convo was public in this IRC chan
May 21 15:25:05 <Schorschl> *but
May 21 15:25:35 <smoku> DocScrutinizer: does "/disco lights on" count? :)
May 21 15:25:42 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, you've been warned
May 21 15:26:03 <Schorschl> guys it was a joke and everybody understand it
May 21 15:26:16 <Schorschl> and i have no microwave :(
May 21 15:26:24 <odin_> why is asking about PR1.2 a kicking offence also?  how about asking about PR1.3 ?
May 21 15:26:29 <MohammadAG_> I do, shall I tape my N900 there?
May 21 15:26:37 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: you don't understand you can't simply say everybody understood
May 21 15:26:39 <MohammadAG_> odin_, now you're pushing it ;)
May 21 15:26:49 <odin_> hehe
May 21 15:26:56 <MohammadAG_> Schorschl, someone fell for it on our server :)
May 21 15:27:11 <MohammadAG_> we ended up having to tell him how to get / back
May 21 15:27:11 <fcrozat> PR1.2 is like Fight Club :)
May 21 15:27:15 * fcrozat hides
May 21 15:28:17 <Schorschl> DocScrutinizer: yes, but this people aren't able to join an irc chat :D
May 21 15:28:31 <Schorschl> but i understand
May 21 15:28:41 <Schorschl> -.-
May 21 15:29:18 <Stskeeps> sigh
May 21 15:29:35 <Stskeeps> silly people, will you go have a beer, it's a beautiful friday out
May 21 15:29:35 <odin_> guys I don't know what is worst, a convo about PR1.2 or kiddies playing IRC chan ops games
May 21 15:29:36 <MohammadAG_> mkick would be a bad typo in here
May 21 15:29:49 <crashanddie> MohammadAG_: probably
May 21 15:29:56 <crashanddie> MohammadAG_: luckily, I don't think we have those bindings
May 21 15:30:08 <MohammadAG_> lemme try? :P
May 21 15:30:17 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: going for wine tasting in about an hour
May 21 15:30:34 <MohammadAG_> /kick crashanddie i'm tempted
May 21 15:30:48 <Treibholz> wine on arm?
May 21 15:31:03 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: I think MohammadAG_ has long deserved to receive op rights on #maemo
May 21 15:31:03 <Schorschl> why u use op status to kick?
May 21 15:31:12 <crashanddie> Schorschl: because you can't kick otherwise?
May 21 15:31:12 <Schorschl> !k user reason
May 21 15:31:17 <crashanddie> Schorschl: doesn't work
May 21 15:31:23 <odin_> Schorschl, anyhow, if you don't have a proper way to change it up (i.e. your N900 OS works if only if had battery power, but it wont boot to charge because batt is too flat) then you are never going to achieve a full charge on a make shift USB or LAB PSU
May 21 15:31:25 <Schorschl> uhh, bad chanserv
May 21 15:31:33 <crashanddie> Schorschl: no, safe chanserv
May 21 15:31:48 <crashanddie> Schorschl: chanserv is here to protect the channel, not "play kick"
May 21 15:31:48 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: me out for a nice beer in a minute
May 21 15:31:49 <Schorschl> !up and !down are better? :D
May 21 15:31:53 <crashanddie> !up
May 21 15:32:04 <DocScrutinizer> just fix hostmode before I do ;-P
May 21 15:32:05 <crashanddie> !kick Schorschl trying out his advice
May 21 15:32:15 <crashanddie> Schorschl: good chanserv.
May 21 15:32:46 <crashanddie> Schorschl: please don't try to school people on how to use IRC if you don't know the specifics of a network, kthxbai
May 21 15:32:52 <odin_> Schorschl, if however you have a way to charge it up (USB lead to PC or proper charger, and the N900 OS is good, rootfs ok and such) then 100mA at a correct voltage should be fine to achieve a good enough charge to do it normally
May 21 15:32:53 <DocScrutinizer> odin_: his N900 WILL NOT charge, even when properly booted
May 21 15:33:16 <Schorschl> crashanddie: i dont school u i only asked^^
May 21 15:33:27 <DocScrutinizer> and that 100mA thing is done by N900 in hardware - not the problem here
May 21 15:33:36 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: btw, the only reason I kicked you was because I wanted to kick odin
May 21 15:33:42 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: he's been trolling for quite some time
May 21 15:33:46 <leino> I have some problems with "dpkg -i x.deb --root=/usr/x", here is the output: http://pastebin.com/Vc89Z31y
May 21 15:34:14 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: ooh, so it was a typo ;-P
May 21 15:34:27 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: no, you stole my kick
May 21 15:34:47 <DocScrutinizer> XP
May 21 15:35:11 <Schorschl> sounds like HoN players :D
May 21 15:35:29 <Schorschl> or Dota
May 21 15:36:08 <crashanddie> Schorschl: please English speaking proprietly
May 21 15:36:19 <odin_> I thought there was a "sprint" on for hostmode !   going fast are we ?  :P
May 21 15:37:20 <Schorschl> crashanddie : theese are game names
May 21 15:37:27 * odin_ thinks you must be really fast (if you can play kick games on #maemo)
May 21 15:37:54 <crashanddie> ~dict theese
May 21 15:37:57 <infobot> could not find definition for theese
May 21 15:38:16 <Schorschl> HoN = Heroes of Newerth
May 21 15:38:28 <mintux> n900 display is led or lcd ?
May 21 15:38:32 <Schorschl> nice game
May 21 15:38:32 <crashanddie> DOTA = Domination on Thy Ass?
May 21 15:38:37 <crashanddie> mintux: LCD
May 21 15:38:57 <Schorschl> dota = defence of the alliance
May 21 15:39:01 <Schorschl> like this
May 21 15:39:40 <crashanddie> oh, that stupid war3 mod?
May 21 15:40:02 <timeless> trizt: found my bug
May 21 15:40:14 <Schorschl> yes, but HoN is a better version of dota
May 21 15:40:40 <timeless> i have an app /usr/sbin/translatins-locale1
May 21 15:40:48 <timeless> it expects verb noun
May 21 15:41:03 <crashanddie> Schorschl: "better version" and "dota" in the same sentence is really impossible
May 21 15:41:33 <Schorschl> i don't think so^^
May 21 15:41:34 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 21 15:41:39 <timeless> but /usr/bin/pick-locale-*1 call it w/ noun verb
May 21 15:41:45 <MohammadAG_> i'm a gamer (kind of), never heard of both
May 21 15:41:58 <Schorschl> but i leave u now :D driving home and cook some "gadgets" :D
May 21 15:42:27 <timeless> verb noun is correct, i'll fix it sunday
May 21 15:42:43 <timeless> it's a trivial fix in activate_locale
May 21 15:42:51 <MohammadAG_> what happened to the _mbp?
May 21 15:43:02 <timeless> it' at home charging
May 21 15:43:09 <timeless> .me is walking home
May 21 15:43:16 * timeless sighs
May 21 15:43:29 <odin_> s/walking/wobbling/
May 21 15:43:40 * timeless shrugs
May 21 15:44:05 * timeless gets to climb to the fifth floor
May 21 15:44:10 * timeless ascends
May 21 15:44:26 <MohammadAG_> priviet
May 21 15:44:41 * timeless is of course using an n900..
May 21 15:45:06 <lcuk2> timeless, up the stairs?
May 21 15:45:13 <lcuk2> i always lose connectivity in the lifts
May 21 15:45:29 <timeless> no choice here
May 21 15:45:40 <lcuk2> ahh
May 21 15:45:53 <odin_> what floor are you on now ? and is it the same department ?
May 21 15:45:53 <Corsac> arf
May 21 15:45:58 * timeless sits and stretches toes
May 21 15:46:01 <Corsac> google.com = no productivity for now
May 21 15:46:17 <timeless> odin: it is rather my apartment
May 21 15:46:41 <lcuk2> Corsac, omg is that just javascript
May 21 15:47:09 <odin_> great, all that moving of crap and junk this weekend :)
May 21 15:55:07 <mintux> my battery low soon and I know because of wife . but if I enable power save and in it be in max my connection lost ( means not different between disconnect) so what the best option for my connection works and my battery take long time to be low
May 21 15:56:37 <SpeedEvil> Get a router that properly supports powersaving.
May 21 15:56:51 <SpeedEvil> With mine, it lasts >140 hours.
May 21 15:56:55 <lcuk2> mintux, lower the screen brightness, dont install/run heavy apps which drain batter, be consdervative, make sure your wifi router is correctly supporting power save
May 21 15:56:56 <lcuk2> etc
May 21 15:57:18 <SpeedEvil> (140 hours standby, connected to wifi powersaving router)
May 21 15:57:44 <odin_> is there a simple test to check it supports it ?
May 21 15:58:03 <mintux> SpeedEvil: what do you mean router ( I have access point or router here )
May 21 15:58:21 <odin_> I guess mine does not as almost 6 days of idle handset seems a bit high for my expectations of my N900
May 21 15:58:26 <mintux> I have linksys WAG54G2
May 21 15:58:26 <SpeedEvil> What you connect to with wifi.
May 21 15:58:48 <mintux> I have dsl modem that it's access point too linksys WAG54G2
May 21 15:58:55 <mintux> and router
May 21 15:59:04 <SpeedEvil> Mine is a crappy Dynamode RADSL-C4w thing
May 21 15:59:23 <mintux> so does it has special configuration for this point ?
May 21 15:59:37 <SpeedEvil> mintux: More modern routers tend to support powersave better.
May 21 15:59:45 <odin_> for me I have a stand alone WLAN AP, Belkin F5D7130 2115UK
May 21 16:00:01 <SpeedEvil> If yours does not, then you can see dropped connections, if you enable maximum power saving.
May 21 16:00:56 <odin_> I never see dropped connections, my SSHs to handset have been open days (maybe weeks), but I don't necessarily have any power saving enabled on anything
May 21 16:02:25 <SpeedEvil> Actually - checking logs - it was looking more like >125 hours, not >140
May 21 16:02:32 <mintux> no my connection doesn't lost . but in phone ( in powersave mod and maximum power . noy anypage open or local computer ) my setting is 10mw and power saving is on(intermediate) what does that means?
May 21 16:03:11 <mintux> 10mw and 100mv
May 21 16:03:14 <odin_> just TCP Keepalives in use here, no SSH ServerAliveInterval here
May 21 16:03:39 <mintux> intermediate and maximum
May 21 16:03:41 <SpeedEvil> 10mw/100mW is the power the mobile transmits over wifi at. It's irrelevant to standby times.
May 21 16:03:51 <SpeedEvil> intermediate is halfway
May 21 16:04:01 <mintux> 10mw is better for power saving ?
May 21 16:04:56 <mintux> if I choose maximum my speed will be very low not different by disconnect
May 21 16:05:11 <mintux> and what is wpa2-only mode ?
May 21 16:05:40 <MohammadAG_> b-man|laptop, ping?
May 21 16:05:44 <odin_> also there is no other WLAN activity here, so don't really understand this WLAN power save concept, how does the N900 power save when it needs to listen for a wake up, is it a store-forward poll situation?
May 21 16:05:50 <MohammadAG_> mintux, it uses WPA2 only
May 21 16:06:45 <mintux> does  security has effect on power saving ?
May 21 16:08:19 <flashn> mintux, good question, short answer: no
May 21 16:08:28 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 21 16:08:32 <SpeedEvil> odin_: yes
May 21 16:08:46 <SpeedEvil> odin_: The router stores packets for the n900 for a few hundred ms.
May 21 16:09:09 <SpeedEvil> odin_: For example pinging the n900 when it's in maximum powersaving you get a rtt like 100/200/250
May 21 16:09:09 <tripzero> http://blog.vlingo.com/2009/09/nokia-users-download-vlingo-today.html
May 21 16:09:12 <tripzero> not for n900?
May 21 16:09:36 <odin_> Im not sure my cheap-ass Belkin AP has much memory to do that, even if my N900 is the only WLAN user/device
May 21 16:09:58 <mintux> flashn:so what the wpa2 in the option if not different ?
May 21 16:10:15 <SpeedEvil> odin_: It only buffers a few packets
May 21 16:10:29 <SpeedEvil> odin_: If there are more, it wakes the modem up all the way and keeps it on
May 21 16:11:03 <SpeedEvil> odin_: But the n900 normally just wakes the reciever for a couple of milliseconds every 250 or so, which saves _enormously_ on power.
May 21 16:11:14 <SpeedEvil> (in max powersave)
May 21 16:11:34 <MohammadAG_> every 250ms?
May 21 16:11:45 <MohammadAG_> shutting it down and waking it up saves battery?
May 21 16:12:03 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 21 16:12:13 <odin_> so it can power save by shutting WLAN down multiple times per second ?  I wonder if it can power same some more by making it once in 3 seconds but using a SOCK5 proxy to fully buffer
May 21 16:12:37 <SpeedEvil> Wlan on - recieving - uses _lots_ of power. 1/6th or so of the battery an hour.
May 21 16:12:43 <SpeedEvil> odin_: In principle yes.
May 21 16:13:36 <SpeedEvil> odin_: But normal idle standby is around 1/200th of the battery an hour. Implementing complex stuff to go from 140 hours standby to 180 or so - is of dubious merit.
May 21 16:13:54 <Trizt> timeless; cool, I guess there will be an update during the weekend?
May 21 16:14:02 <SpeedEvil> For 3G - if you did the same sort of thing - but with a 60s poll - this would also save lots of battery.
May 21 16:16:36 <timeless_mbp> yeah
May 21 16:16:41 <timeless_mbp> but i'm done for today/tomorrow
May 21 16:16:49 * Trizt nods
May 21 16:17:01 <timeless_mbp> it means that you should be able to do: sudo /usr/sbin/translations-locale1 install en_GB
May 21 16:17:20 <timeless_mbp> later...
May 21 16:17:42 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; taking the tram home and drinking a beer at the bar? ;)
May 21 16:18:37 <Trizt> okey, thought you was getting a bit lazy time
May 21 16:19:23 <mintux> MohammadAG_: it seems you installed l a lot app but what do you you do with rootfs . mine is full . if I enable repository I can not install software.its so bad because im a developer and linux user and I would like to use linux facilities every where but I limited with this  and use my tablet as phone only and not any more
May 21 16:20:02 <SpeedEvil> mintux: how long have you had the phone?
May 21 16:20:11 <mintux> 4 days
May 21 16:20:14 <mintux> :-D
May 21 16:20:30 <SpeedEvil> Ok - have you been installing anything not through the application manager?
May 21 16:20:59 <mintux> SpeedEvil: no I installed from app manager in devel and testing repo
May 21 16:21:27 <SpeedEvil> It's probable that you've installed a broken package that uses lots of space in /
May 21 16:22:03 <mintux> what can I know they are broken package ? each package I installed work correctly
May 21 16:22:04 <SpeedEvil> I would suggest uninstalling some apps, then install gnu findutils
May 21 16:22:12 <dfaure> is there a pac-man clone for the n810?
May 21 16:22:29 <SpeedEvil> then /usr/bin/gnu/find / -mount -size +100k -mtime -5
May 21 16:22:35 <mintux> SpeedEvil: what does gnu findutils do ?
May 21 16:22:51 <SpeedEvil> - list all files on the root that are newer than 5 days and over 100k
May 21 16:23:07 <ohwhyme> hi speedevil how are you today
May 21 16:23:20 <SpeedEvil> ohwhyme: Somewhat stinky.
May 21 16:23:31 <ohwhyme> yummy lol
May 21 16:23:43 <SpeedEvil> I have been removing about a hundred gallons of sludge from the bottom of my pond.
May 21 16:23:57 <SpeedEvil> The stuff that won't pump - with the consistency of vomit.
May 21 16:24:52 <dfaure> SpeedEvil: tonight: porridge :-)
May 21 16:25:03 <ohwhyme> :o
May 21 16:25:14 <ohwhyme> sounds like you've had a long day
May 21 16:25:21 <SpeedEvil> dfaure: Tonight - roast pork, apple sauce and potatos.
May 21 16:29:45 <mintux> SpeedEvil: doesn't work http://codepad.org/MhA6ULr5
May 21 16:30:21 <leino> ok people, I have now unpacked some stuff in /opt/ghc6
May 21 16:31:27 <leino> I now want to be able to run it, so I guess I should add symlinks like "/x -> /opt/ghc6/x" for all files and dirs x in /opt/ghc6
May 21 16:31:38 <opdf2> hows the a2dp streaming on the n900? stable?
May 21 16:31:48 <valdyn> leino: why arent you using debians ghc6?
May 21 16:31:56 <ohwhyme> yea using it right now with bh503
May 21 16:32:24 <opdf2> I'm about to pull the trigger on car head unit bluetooth adapter for a2dp
May 21 16:32:35 <leino> valdyn: I am but I had trouble installing the .deb with the option --installdir=/opt/ghc6, so I used a script that turns .deb's into .tar.gz's
May 21 16:32:44 <leino> and then unpacked it manually into /opt/ghc6
May 21 16:32:48 <opdf2> ohwhyme:  sound quality good?
May 21 16:32:49 <valdyn> leino: thats a fucked up idea
May 21 16:32:58 <valdyn> leino: whats wrong with the stock debian package?
May 21 16:32:58 <ohwhyme> its mediocre
May 21 16:33:03 <leino> well, the --instdir didnt work :)
May 21 16:33:13 <ohwhyme> nothing compared to jh16 pros
May 21 16:33:15 <opdf2> better than FM transmitter?
May 21 16:33:34 <SpeedEvil> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.christopherkois.com/%3Fp%3D448&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=lR&sa=G&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&strip=1
May 21 16:33:36 * SpeedEvil sighs.
May 21 16:33:44 <valdyn> leino: you should not use that switch
May 21 16:33:47 <leino> Imma quote myself:
May 21 16:33:48 <SpeedEvil> Encryption - why my 5 year old can do it!
May 21 16:33:51 <leino> "I have some problems with "dpkg -i x.deb --root=/usr/x", here is the output: http://pastebin.com/Vc89Z31y"
May 21 16:34:09 <leino> noone said anything, so I proceeded with my fucked up idea
May 21 16:34:11 <valdyn> leino: why are you not just running "dpkg -i x.deb" ?
May 21 16:34:18 <valdyn> leino: or aptitude install ghc6 ?
May 21 16:34:21 <leino> because my /usr is out of space
May 21 16:34:40 <valdyn> leino: so fix the obvious issue instead of using hacks that would not work
May 21 16:34:56 <leino> valdyn: repartition?
May 21 16:35:02 <MohammadAG_> playing pacman on google is fun XD
May 21 16:35:17 <valdyn> leino: the dpkg switches you used are used for bootstrapping debian, not to install on a running system
May 21 16:35:19 <dfaure> MohammadAG_: yeah but now my wife wants a pacman app for her N810, and I can't find any
May 21 16:35:34 <MohammadAG_> swf?
May 21 16:35:39 <leino> valdyn: bootstrapping?
May 21 16:35:46 * MohammadAG_ googles gtk pacman
May 21 16:35:48 <valdyn> leino: installing debian
May 21 16:36:08 <leino> valdyn: ok..
May 21 16:36:31 <leino> valdyn: what did you mean by 'obvious issue'?
May 21 16:36:34 <valdyn> leino: you can probably fix the partition size without repartitioning, i cant know
May 21 16:36:47 <valdyn> leino: the obvious issue is that /usr is out of space, that issue needs to be fixed
May 21 16:37:22 <leino> valdyn: yeah, my first thought was "if this was an ordinary linux box, I would re-install and partition in a non-retarded way"
May 21 16:37:52 <valdyn> leino: that is what im saying: You dont need to reinstall, you can fix the /usr issue in several ways
May 21 16:38:24 <leino> valdyn: ok, new plan:
May 21 16:38:56 <valdyn> leino: can you reboot btw?
May 21 16:38:57 <leino> step1 - copy the contents of /usr to my laptop somewhere
May 21 16:39:10 <leino> valdyn: reboot my n900? yeah of course
May 21 16:39:19 <valdyn> leino: uh
May 21 16:39:48 <valdyn> leino: i forgot in which channel i am. There's an optify.sh script in the wiki
May 21 16:40:50 <leino> "the wiki" = wiki.maemo.org?
May 21 16:40:55 <valdyn> leino: yes
May 21 16:41:16 <leino> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
May 21 16:45:18 <RST38h> Starting with Shrek Forever After, three AMC theaters in New York will begin selling $20 adult movie tickets on their IMAX screens.
May 21 16:45:35 * RST38h heads to bittorrent
May 21 16:46:30 <SpeedEvil> dfaure: i have a stupid suggestion.
May 21 16:46:40 <SpeedEvil> dfaure: www.google.com - press 'insert coin'.
May 21 16:47:59 <SpeedEvil> it's not very playable without the stylus though
May 21 16:48:17 <MohammadAG> or use the keyboard arrows
May 21 16:49:07 <leino> valdyn: allright.. at the end of the day /usr is mounted on a partition that only has some 200 MB in total
May 21 16:49:32 <leino> no matter how much I remove, that is not really a satisfactory solution when I have a 26G partition mounted on /home/user/MyDocs
May 21 16:49:40 <valdyn> leino: actually im not seeing my optify.sh script on that page
May 21 16:49:53 <leino> what I am thinking is this:
May 21 16:50:09 <leino> the storage device /dev/mmcblk0 seems to have two partitions
May 21 16:50:12 <leino> /dev/mmcblk0p1
May 21 16:50:16 <leino> and /dev/mmcblk0p2
May 21 16:50:22 <valdyn> leino: you can precreate /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1 in order to make dpkg install to a convenient place
May 21 16:50:56 <leino> so I was thinking to copy everything on /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 to my laptop..
May 21 16:51:14 <leino> then repartition so I get /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk0p2 as well as /dev/mmcblk0p3
May 21 16:51:21 <leino> and then have /usr mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p3
May 21 16:51:44 <leino> I see no reason why that would fuck anything up, since /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 would still be there
May 21 16:52:04 <valdyn> leino: right, but i have not tried that
May 21 16:52:16 <leino> ok, suppose that fucks thing up
May 21 16:52:19 <valdyn> leino: id rather solve just the ghc6 personally
May 21 16:52:28 <leino> is it easy to re-install maemo or whatever
May 21 16:52:49 <valdyn> leino: you can link or bind mount or if its to big you can use a loopback device in MyDocs
May 21 16:53:02 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: ah - right - you need to select pointer mode first, and click on the js
May 21 16:53:29 <SpeedEvil> It's slow with multiple ghosts.
May 21 16:53:31 <MohammadAG> i just clicked on it by mistake without pointer mode :p
May 21 16:53:42 <valdyn> leino: i would rather use a loop device than repartition, but up to you
May 21 16:53:53 <SpeedEvil> err - multiple ghost eyes
May 21 16:54:26 <valdyn> leino: ( and that loop device not for /usr but just for ghc6
May 21 16:54:26 <leino> valdyn: that sounds pretty good
May 21 16:54:44 <leino> valdyn: why?
May 21 16:54:50 <leino> why not for all of usr?
May 21 16:55:06 <valdyn> leino: less risk of breaking anything
May 21 16:55:08 <SpeedEvil> leino: because it will bork the boot scripts
May 21 16:55:30 <leino> SpeedEvil: did you read my repartition plan?
May 21 16:55:36 <valdyn> leino: i do not believe that maemo follows the rule that /usr cant require stuff needed to boot
May 21 16:55:55 <SpeedEvil> leino: err - no.
May 21 16:56:00 <SpeedEvil> leino: The root is not on the mmc
May 21 16:56:17 <SpeedEvil> leino: it's on the onenand - which is /dev/ubi* IIRC
May 21 16:56:25 <SpeedEvil> this is a 256M device
May 21 16:57:06 <valdyn> ehe s/require/contain/
May 21 16:57:30 <leino> ok, so you are saying that while the n900 boots, it doesnt check /usr, rather uses /dev/mmcblk0p2 (on which usr is mounted)?
May 21 16:57:39 <SpeedEvil> leino: no
May 21 16:57:57 <SpeedEvil> leino: The mmc is not initially mounted at all.
May 21 16:58:09 <leino> SpeedEvil: sorry, mmc?
May 21 16:58:14 <SpeedEvil> ubi0:rootfs / ubifs rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc 0 0
May 21 16:58:18 <valdyn> leino: your plan breaks when booting needs stuff from /usr before it can be mounted
May 21 16:58:20 <SpeedEvil> this is not the emmc
May 21 16:58:27 <SpeedEvil> which is the 32G device
May 21 16:58:31 <SpeedEvil> the boot device is 256M
May 21 16:58:57 <MohammadAG> /dev/mtd5 right?
May 21 16:59:15 <SpeedEvil> mtd something, yes
May 21 16:59:24 <leino> ok, then there is no way to move /usr to the big device it seems
May 21 16:59:28 <SpeedEvil> cat /proc/mtd
May 21 16:59:37 <SpeedEvil> leino: not without screwing with the boot scripts.
May 21 16:59:40 <RST38h> Google might be trying to shake up video on the web by releasing the WebM video format and VP8 codec under a royalty-free open-source license, but we've already heard the format's uncomfortably close relationship to H.264 might cause some patent concerns, and the MPEG-LA, which licenses the H.264 patents, doesn't seem to be sitting still.
May 21 16:59:43 <SpeedEvil> leino: If you do that, you can.
May 21 17:00:03 <valdyn> RST38h: old news?
May 21 17:00:09 <leino> SpeedEvil: do what?
May 21 17:00:13 <valdyn> RST38h: the browser can already be used..
May 21 17:00:20 <valdyn> err, browsers
May 21 17:00:29 <SpeedEvil> leino: Screw with the init scripts so they will mount the mmc and /usr before using anything from there.
May 21 17:00:43 <leino> ok, sounds like fun
May 21 17:01:34 <leino> just for the record, I was under the impression that you have to mount something before you read files from it
May 21 17:03:11 <SpeedEvil> of course you do.
May 21 17:03:41 <SpeedEvil> I was meaning by default the scripts may use stuff from /usr before getting to the place where they do.
May 21 17:03:47 <Schorschl|OFF> aww, this is a bad bay... my n900 died, my multimeter is broken and my mailserver crashes every minute ...
May 21 17:03:52 <SpeedEvil> Looking at /etc/init.d/rcS
May 21 17:04:04 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl|OFF: Are you having hte problem with it not flashing?
May 21 17:04:14 <SpeedEvil> It looks like it _might_ work.
May 21 17:04:17 <MohammadAG> umm
May 21 17:04:31 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, if I dd /dev/mtd0, what would happen?
May 21 17:04:42 <MohammadAG> mtd0 being the bootloader
May 21 17:04:48 <Schorschl> SpeedEvil: the battery is "empty"
May 21 17:04:57 <Schorschl> and now i am in a deadlock
May 21 17:05:01 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: Do you have the wallcharger?
May 21 17:05:31 <Schorschl> yes, but it's so low that the emergency charge wouldn't work
May 21 17:06:02 <MohammadAG> actually
May 21 17:06:04 <pupnik_> i would like something simpler to use v4l to stream webcam to friends in irc
May 21 17:06:10 <MohammadAG> your kernel is borked, so you can't charge
May 21 17:06:20 <MohammadAG> emergency charging should kick in at 0
May 21 17:06:22 <Schorschl> now i charge the battery directly from a usb port
May 21 17:06:55 <SpeedEvil> leino: A quick read of /etc/init.d/rcS indicates that simply copying /usr/ to /home/usr - then mv usr usr.o;ln -s /home/usr /usr - might work.
May 21 17:07:19 <MohammadAG> O_O
May 21 17:07:20 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: Ok - it charges autonomously.
May 21 17:08:03 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: However - it will normally automatically start up quite early at 3.3v? and boot into linux, and then enable the charger in the proper mode.
May 21 17:08:25 <Schorschl> not on my device
May 21 17:08:25 <SpeedEvil> The initial 'NOKIA' screen is under linux, it's not the bootloader.
May 21 17:08:42 <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure what happens if you bork the kernel.
May 21 17:09:03 <Stskeeps> well, no
May 21 17:09:11 <Stskeeps> nolo shows NOKIA too
May 21 17:09:20 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, again, if I erase /dev/mtd0 would the device become a brick?
May 21 17:09:28 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: I think so, yes.
May 21 17:09:29 <Schorschl> we will see what happen in 45 minutes^^
May 21 17:09:30 <leino> SpeedEvil: that looks like its quite easy to undo as well, no?
May 21 17:09:31 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Try it.
May 21 17:09:35 <leino> If the thing boots of course
May 21 17:09:38 <SpeedEvil> leino: Well - yes - flash it.
May 21 17:09:45 <SpeedEvil> leino: if it doesn't work that is.
May 21 17:09:48 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, wise guy eh? :P
May 21 17:10:15 <leino> SpeedEvil: ok, Ive never flashed my n900, but that resets it completely to what it was when I got it?
May 21 17:10:19 * lcuk2 ponders downtime
May 21 17:10:22 <leino> even if I fuck with partitions?
May 21 17:10:31 <SpeedEvil> leino: no.
May 21 17:11:00 <SpeedEvil> leino: It wipes the root filesystem only. /home is left alone. If you backup with the backup app, all that ahppens - pretty much - is that you need to redownload your applications.
May 21 17:11:33 <leino> aha
May 21 17:11:52 <SpeedEvil> Well - once you click 'restore')
May 21 17:13:06 <leino> back to the loop device idea
May 21 17:13:21 <leino> how would that be any different than installing it in /opt/ghc6 ?
May 21 17:13:33 <SpeedEvil> I forgot where you came in.
May 21 17:13:38 <SpeedEvil> What are you trying to do?
May 21 17:13:46 <SpeedEvil> You're aware also of easy-debian?
May 21 17:14:03 <leino> SpeedEvil: I am a total noob, so no
May 21 17:14:14 <SpeedEvil> It sets up a debian chroot
May 21 17:14:36 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian
May 21 17:15:23 <LiraNuna> Opera Mobile update?
May 21 17:15:30 <LiraNuna> anyone has the changelog?
May 21 17:15:53 <leino> SpeedEvil: so it's a variation of debian that "lives" under maemo?
May 21 17:16:28 <SpeedEvil> Ileiyes
May 21 17:17:15 <leino> where is it's /, on the big device?
May 21 17:17:28 <Schorschl> charging the battery for 30 minutes direcly from an usb port is enougth to boot the system?
May 21 17:18:44 <jacekowski> should be
May 21 17:19:01 <SpeedEvil> leino: ?
May 21 17:19:03 <leino> ok, easy debian doesn't seem super awesome to me
May 21 17:19:12 <leino> dont think I want it
May 21 17:19:15 <SpeedEvil> leino: ah - it's ina loopback on mydocs
May 21 17:19:42 <Schorschl> jacekowski: : but not  usb -> n900 -> battery   i charge: usb -> battery :D
May 21 17:19:53 <leino> SpeedEvil: but you were talking about how you would install stuff (like ghc6 in my case) if you were out of space on /usr
May 21 17:20:02 <SpeedEvil> leino: No, I wasn't.
May 21 17:20:32 <SpeedEvil> leino: The correct solution is to fix the packages that are using up space on /. I was discussing hypothetical ways of moving /usr.
May 21 17:20:52 <leino> oh darn, that was valdyn
May 21 17:20:58 <leino> sorry
May 21 17:21:09 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: stop asking stupid questions! You can not charge a battery from a USB port
May 21 17:21:26 <leino> SpeedEvil: look /usr is mounted on a device with like 200M
May 21 17:21:43 <leino> to get haskell running, that alone will be around 100M
May 21 17:21:49 <leino> theres no way
May 21 17:22:07 <microlith> that's what /opt is for, or a loopback on MyDocs
May 21 17:22:14 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: I explained to you quite epically
May 21 17:22:19 <leino> sooner or later, / run out of space
May 21 17:22:49 <leino> microlith: I was trying the /opt idea, but I couldnt get it to work
May 21 17:22:51 <Schorschl> DocScrutinizer : maybe i don't understand you. my english is worse :D
May 21 17:23:10 <leino> microlith: any tutorials on how to install stuff in /opt, that expects to be installed in /usr
May 21 17:23:13 <leino> ?
May 21 17:23:31 <LiraNuna> so no one noticed about Opera Mobile update on N900? :P
May 21 17:23:37 <LiraNuna> s/about/the/
May 21 17:23:37 <infobot> LiraNuna meant: so no one noticed the Opera Mobile update on N900? :P
May 21 17:23:42 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: once again: NEVER charge a LiIon with a power supply giving more than 4.20Volt!
May 21 17:23:45 <microlith> leino: there's a guide to optification on the maemo.org wiki, but if things are hard-coded to expect being in /usr...
May 21 17:24:31 <Schorschl> ups
May 21 17:24:43 <leino> microlith: exactly, then what?
May 21 17:24:57 <RST38h> Doc: You really DO want to make him try that though, right?
May 21 17:24:59 <leino> then you do a lot of symlinks?
May 21 17:25:05 <DocScrutinizer> hooking the LiIon cell to a USB VBUS with 5V may explode the cell
May 21 17:25:05 <microlith> fix the software? hard coded paths are bad to begin with
May 21 17:25:08 <SpeedEvil> Symlinks are not bad.
May 21 17:25:34 <leino> SpeedEvil: someone here called that idea crazy
May 21 17:25:35 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: There are 'USB chargers' which charge any battery.
May 21 17:25:54 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 21 17:26:08 <SpeedEvil> Schorschl: They are of debatable overall safety, but not terrible to just use to get it charged once, for no more than an hour
May 21 17:26:16 <DocScrutinizer> but they got additional electronics to guarantee the 4V2 condition
May 21 17:26:50 <SpeedEvil> In theory. :)
May 21 17:26:50 <Schorschl> yay, the emergency light is on now :D
May 21 17:26:52 <MohammadAG> battery empty
May 21 17:26:53 * MohammadAG times
May 21 17:27:09 <Schorschl> now it works ! :D
May 21 17:28:08 <Schorschl> and when the yellow light begins to flash, it's charging 'normally' ?
May 21 17:28:17 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 21 17:28:21 <Schorschl> good
May 21 17:28:33 <DocScrutinizer> keep it charging til "green"
May 21 17:28:48 <Schorschl> good idea^^
May 21 17:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> if the steady yellow stops after 32 minutes, unplug and replug the charger
May 21 17:29:36 <DocScrutinizer> if the yellow steady begins to flash, just keep it charging
May 21 17:30:17 <Schorschl> hope it will help
May 21 17:31:26 <Schorschl> wow, the xkcd from wednesday is nice :D
May 21 17:31:36 <leino> interesting: http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9ARepartition%20the%20Nokia%20N900.html (hope the link works)
May 21 17:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> if the device eventually boots to full system, it might be a good idea to switch it "off" and just have the yellow blinking light
May 21 17:32:28 <Schorschl> DocScrutinizer: ok
May 21 17:32:33 <SpeedEvil> Ah - right - see http://books.google.com/books?id=bkOMDgwFA28C&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=hfe+nanoamp*&source=bl&ots=F2fjTI81Uq&sig=FXJWYUP0hk0J2atQvP1Z9SOlNqM&hl=en&ei=WMH2S9GcJ4T20gT-j-3pBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false
May 21 17:32:34 <SpeedEvil> oops
May 21 17:33:10 <DocScrutinizer> (rationale: your system might have some runaway processes that consume more power than he charger is providing, so your battery gets empty instead of full)
May 21 17:34:09 <Schorschl> DocScrutinizer : but how can this deadlock happen? i was listening to music (without any charger) and suddenly (without a notice) the system goes down
May 21 17:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: no idea
May 21 17:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: usually you just plug in the wallcharger and battery recovers nicely
May 21 17:35:25 <DocScrutinizer> Schorschl: maybe your battery is worn or broken
May 21 17:35:31 <Schorschl> yes, but i was at work and my chargers were at home
May 21 17:36:39 <DocScrutinizer> so you hooked it up to your PC and tried to enter NOLO flashing mode? ("u")
May 21 17:37:13 <Schorschl> no, in my break i went home to get it
May 21 17:37:29 <Schorschl> cause the battery was empty^^
May 21 17:37:50 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I seem to remember something about "holding 'u' didn't help"
May 21 17:38:23 <Schorschl> y, i went home to get the charger and the usb cable
May 21 17:38:34 <DocScrutinizer> flashing mode doesn't charge, and it's not quite clear if it discharges battery beyond all sane limits
May 21 17:38:42 <Schorschl> it's 19:27 here
May 21 17:38:58 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, here it's 19:38
May 21 17:39:15 <DocScrutinizer> so DocScrutinizer is away for dinner
May 21 17:39:40 <SpeedEvil> wave.
May 21 17:39:49 <Schorschl> aww ntp don't run
May 21 17:46:11 <MohammadAG> which is package is the module glib in?
May 21 17:46:15 <MohammadAG> python
May 21 17:49:16 <kevloral> Hi all
May 21 18:02:37 <Schorschl> DocScrutinizer: led is off... reconnected the charger, but nothing happen
May 21 18:03:28 <dfaure> SpeedEvil: playing pacman on google.com will only work for today or so ;-)
May 21 18:03:40 <MohammadAG> i'll wget the site
May 21 18:03:56 <Shapeshifter> huh. I just looked at theme making and it's a huge joke :o
May 21 18:04:01 <MohammadAG> lol
May 21 18:04:06 <Shapeshifter> and I imagined you'd just write a gtkrc.
May 21 18:04:25 <Shapeshifter> but there's a png for like every possible button. of course all look somewhat the same but...
May 21 18:04:25 <lcuk> l33t ninjamagic skills required
May 21 18:04:51 <lcuk> you could just grab thememaker thingy
May 21 18:05:06 <Shapeshifter> yeah that simplifies it.
May 21 18:05:14 <Shapeshifter> but again, some very odd design choices here
May 21 18:05:21 <pupnik_>  http://www.google.com/logos/js/pacman10-hp.2.js
May 21 18:06:15 <lcuk> having live google main page is a downer for me, i hope this does not become a common occurance
May 21 18:07:06 <Shapeshifter> I haven't visited the google main page in ages
May 21 18:07:50 <MohammadAG> lcuk, you can always disable javascript
May 21 18:07:51 <lcuk> its set as homepage atm
May 21 18:07:54 <MohammadAG> or use lmgtfy.com
May 21 18:07:59 <lcuk> MohammadAG, sure i could
May 21 18:08:13 <lcuk> but that just complicates places where i want it
May 21 18:08:36 <lcuk> google pride themselves on simple clutter free page
May 21 18:08:37 <MohammadAG> lcuk, lmgtfy.com then :P
May 21 18:08:58 <lcuk> MohammadAG, thats worse it has a big fat advert
May 21 18:09:11 <MohammadAG> lcuk, adblock +
May 21 18:09:14 <lcuk> thats actually more annoying
May 21 18:09:15 <MohammadAG> :)
May 21 18:09:28 <lcuk> adblock doesnt help either ;) i dont mind adverts :)
May 21 18:09:38 <MohammadAG> i hate adverts
May 21 18:09:40 <Shapeshifter> lcuk: single digit hotkey
May 21 18:09:44 <Shapeshifter> g something
May 21 18:09:47 <MohammadAG> well, not normal adverts
May 21 18:09:55 <MohammadAG> full screen adverts
May 21 18:09:58 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, its for the rest of google
May 21 18:10:02 <MohammadAG> the ones that cover the whole page
May 21 18:10:06 <Shapeshifter> ah you have the igoogle thing
May 21 18:10:06 <lcuk> not specifically the seach
May 21 18:10:11 <lcuk> i could just make a custom html
May 21 18:10:13 <lcuk> but its meh
May 21 18:10:36 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it's only one day
May 21 18:10:37 <lcuk> infact the html will be better anyway
May 21 18:10:41 <MohammadAG> and it's a friday
May 21 18:10:45 <MohammadAG> bacon? :P
May 21 18:10:52 <lcuk> <lcuk> having live google main page is a downer for me, i hope this does not become a common occurance
May 21 18:11:00 <dfaure> the best way to use google is "gg:foo" in konqueror, then you don't need a main page at all
May 21 18:11:31 <lcuk> how do i get to news? or mil? or maps? or images? or video?
May 21 18:11:50 * lcuk will just make custom one
May 21 18:11:57 <Shapeshifter> gn, gm, gi, gv
May 21 18:11:59 <dfaure> (ggi for images)
May 21 18:12:26 <lcuk> cmon, i still type "dir" into the linux console
May 21 18:12:27 * Shapeshifter bets that there are custom one available already
May 21 18:12:32 <Shapeshifter> lcuk: xD
May 21 18:12:56 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, custom will be better anyway
May 21 18:13:00 <lcuk> always offline :)
May 21 18:13:15 <lcuk> unless i drag it from liqbase.net .. mm
May 21 18:15:08 <frals> bah, any decent ide for doing qt programming on windows? qt creator seems kinda.. lacking
May 21 18:15:34 <MohammadAG> switch to linux and get... Qt creator
May 21 18:15:38 <Shapeshifter> frals: well what do you want to do?
May 21 18:15:40 <frals> or do i expect too much when i expect changes in header file to propagate to the source?
May 21 18:15:53 <Shapeshifter> oh an IDE I see
May 21 18:16:03 <Shapeshifter> eclipse runs on windows, doesn't it.
May 21 18:16:20 <frals> ah, good point
May 21 18:16:34 <Shapeshifter> I'd stick to the editor, but hey...
May 21 18:16:55 <MohammadAG> frals, QfMMS? :)
May 21 18:17:08 <Shapeshifter> frals: but why windows, anyway?
May 21 18:17:24 <MohammadAG> he's a gamer (lame excuse :p)
May 21 18:17:37 <Shapeshifter> ah. well for that I also have windows...
May 21 18:17:41 <frals> Shapeshifter: because i play games and booting just to play is.. :P
May 21 18:17:49 <Shapeshifter> mhh
May 21 18:18:02 <BCMM> ... still more convenient than an xbox
May 21 18:18:03 <MohammadAG> frals, get a console, PCs suck for gaming
May 21 18:18:14 <MohammadAG> PS3 ftw!
May 21 18:18:17 * MohammadAG hides
May 21 18:18:18 <BCMM> MohammadAG: what if one enjoys FPS?
May 21 18:18:27 <MohammadAG> I play CoD
May 21 18:18:29 <Shapeshifter> frals: you'd find yourself going "meh, not worth to boot into windows now just to play some shit" and as such would waste less time on gaming ;)
May 21 18:18:33 <Shapeshifter> it happened to me
May 21 18:18:37 <MohammadAG> I hate fpss on PCs
May 21 18:18:44 <MohammadAG> too many keys
May 21 18:18:46 <Shapeshifter> consoles ftl.
May 21 18:18:46 <BCMM> ok, what if one likes turning around?
May 21 18:18:57 <frals> Shapeshifter: id boot windows and then go "meh, not worth to boot to linux since i can just open putty" ;-)
May 21 18:18:59 <MohammadAG> move right analog stick?
May 21 18:19:04 <Shapeshifter> frals: ;)
May 21 18:19:08 <frals> MohammadAG: "too many keys" <- lol :D
May 21 18:19:22 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: lol aiming on the console
May 21 18:19:34 <wall[e]> need more 3d game
May 21 18:19:34 <MohammadAG> i always hit b instead of v on cod on a pc
May 21 18:19:47 <MohammadAG> and therefore, I get knifed and not the opposite
May 21 18:19:49 * Shapeshifter laughs at how most games even ship with an aim bot because it's impossible to aim properly for yourself with these sticks
May 21 18:19:54 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, aiming is epic
May 21 18:20:10 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: map b to v?
May 21 18:20:14 <MohammadAG> it needs skill
May 21 18:20:16 <BCMM> i was gonna say, don't pretty much all console FPSs use autoaim of some sort?
May 21 18:20:16 <Shapeshifter> ...
May 21 18:20:19 <wall[e]> anyone want to do sokoban 3d?
May 21 18:20:23 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, I'd hit v
May 21 18:20:25 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: it needs an aimbot
May 21 18:20:30 <wall[e]> bah, must be boring..
May 21 18:20:31 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: map them both to knifes.
May 21 18:20:40 <MohammadAG> sharpneli, i'd hit m
May 21 18:20:43 <Shapeshifter> ,,,
May 21 18:20:44 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, *
May 21 18:20:48 <frals> MohammadAG: i see little point buying a console for xxx € when i got a 360 controller to my pc and can pretty much anything :p
May 21 18:20:52 <MohammadAG> sorry sharpneli
May 21 18:21:10 <MohammadAG> frals, you can't play exclusives
May 21 18:21:15 <wall[e]> may be mahjongg 3d
May 21 18:21:15 <MohammadAG> killzone was an epic fps
May 21 18:21:24 <Shapeshifter> those who make exclusives need to be shot
May 21 18:21:33 <Shapeshifter> suckers, seriously.
May 21 18:21:37 <Shapeshifter> sell outs
May 21 18:21:39 <Shapeshifter> -.-
May 21 18:21:41 <MohammadAG> MGS4 was an epic TPS
May 21 18:21:45 <frals> MohammadAG: yeah, but not worth the cash for a console
May 21 18:21:47 <wall[e]> with bullet rigit body physics when the game upsets you
May 21 18:21:54 <frals> i do however have the original xbox somewhere around here
May 21 18:22:11 <MohammadAG> frals, well my PC is running on software emulation cause of a borked graphics card
May 21 18:22:12 <frals> mostly because it was a decent media center
May 21 18:22:40 <BCMM> there have been some amazing games that just wouldn't be workable on a console
May 21 18:22:51 <MohammadAG> the N900's browser renders faster than the PS3's faster :P
May 21 18:22:53 <Shapeshifter> or strategy games...
May 21 18:22:54 <BCMM> Deus Ex, for example
May 21 18:22:55 <MohammadAG> browser*
May 21 18:23:04 <dfaure> frals: yeah you expect too much, I don't know any IDE which propagates changes from .h to .cpp. On the other hand, both xemacs and qtcreator (with creator-plugins installed) have support for generating the implementation in the .cpp file from the method decl in the .h
May 21 18:23:14 <MohammadAG> I hate RPGs, deeply :)
May 21 18:23:24 <lcuk> MSG on n900?
May 21 18:23:25 <lcuk> :D
May 21 18:23:28 <Shapeshifter> consoles are pointless
May 21 18:23:45 <BCMM> Shapeshifter: i wouldn't own one myself, but i wouldn't go that far
May 21 18:23:45 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, you're pointless
May 21 18:23:46 <MohammadAG> :P
May 21 18:23:55 <Shapeshifter> nou
May 21 18:24:04 <MohammadAG> no, YOU
May 21 18:24:20 <MohammadAG> I can aim perfectly fine on my PS3
May 21 18:24:20 <frals> dfaure: alright, cheers.. seems like an obvious feature for me but otoh ive not done any c++ coding
May 21 18:24:25 * MohammadAG waits for lcuk's line
May 21 18:24:26 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: right.
May 21 18:24:31 * lcuk deletes it
May 21 18:24:38 <lcuk> theres gotta be an element of surprise
May 21 18:24:44 <MohammadAG> lol
May 21 18:24:57 <dfaure> frals: obvious to the user, but definitely not to the implementor ;)
May 21 18:25:06 <dfaure> frals: c++ is a very difficult language to parse.
May 21 18:25:29 <BCMM> now i think about it, windows XP on modern hardware boots at a comparable speed to an xbox360
May 21 18:25:33 <dfaure> (plus method overloading means that it is actually valid to have two methods with the same name and different argument types)
May 21 18:25:36 <MohammadAG> shoot yourself in the foot, it hurts less than C++
May 21 18:25:46 <BCMM> (if you have basically only games installed, and no startup stuff)
May 21 18:25:50 <MohammadAG> BCMM, well, the xbox is meh :)
May 21 18:25:53 <lcuk> they were right with CFront
May 21 18:26:05 <lcuk> what C++ is today is mega convoluted
May 21 18:26:20 <E0x> http://alban.apinc.org/blog/2010/05/21/your-contacts-on-a-map-with-your-n900/
May 21 18:26:22 <E0x> nice one
May 21 18:26:22 <BCMM> MohammadAG: picking on that cause i've never actually seen a ps3
May 21 18:26:31 <MohammadAG> err
May 21 18:26:47 <MohammadAG> you're missing out
May 21 18:26:51 <MohammadAG> ask crash
May 21 18:26:55 <MohammadAG> bah, he's offline
May 21 18:27:01 <BCMM> E0x: awesome/creepy
May 21 18:27:12 <BCMM> i presume one can specify *which* contacts get it, right?
May 21 18:27:15 <MohammadAG> google-y
May 21 18:28:19 <E0x> BCMM: or just turn it off
May 21 18:28:30 <BCMM> E0x: yeah, but then it isn't useful :)
May 21 18:28:39 <E0x> maybe some button like : Steal mode : ON/OFF
May 21 18:28:47 <wall[e]> i used to play megadrive
May 21 18:28:59 <wall[e]> that was the last console i played
May 21 18:29:12 <wall[e]> i love a game called herzog
May 21 18:29:17 <E0x> BCMM: yes i saw you point
May 21 18:29:25 <wall[e]> i wish i can port it to 3d for maemo
May 21 18:29:46 <MohammadAG> wall[e], use PicoDrive
May 21 18:30:03 <pupnik_> cool E0x ty
May 21 18:30:06 <wall[e]> MohammadAG, been playing the game already.
May 21 18:30:15 <wall[e]> but now i want 3d version
May 21 18:30:21 <wall[e]> herzog is like the first rts
May 21 18:30:29 <wall[e]> and its concept is still very cool.
May 21 18:30:48 <wall[e]> i never saw the game with similar concepts
May 21 18:31:35 <wall[e]> you are transformer like robot, flying around giving orders to units, sieging bases, building army
May 21 18:31:59 <wall[e]> you cant order unit directly, must use the robot to pick the unit up and give it order
May 21 18:32:24 <wall[e]> robot can fight directly with enemy units
May 21 18:32:52 <wall[e]> herzog zwei
May 21 18:33:16 <MohammadAG> hmm
May 21 18:33:27 <MohammadAG> ~seen noobmonk3y
May 21 18:33:29 <infobot> noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-181-7-164.range86-181.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 23h 54m 47s ago, saying: 'ie it wasnt working, but randomly fixed to get it working ;)'.
May 21 18:33:52 <wall[e]> if someone want to program for me i'll do the model!
May 21 18:33:54 <MohammadAG> lcuk, did you notice how he disappeared after the xxx incident? :)
May 21 18:34:59 <wall[e]> coz i don't know c++...
May 21 18:35:00 <pupnik_> i miss all the fun incidents
May 21 18:35:22 <wall[e]> and all 3d engine except mine were c++
May 21 18:35:35 <lcuk> MohammadAG, ? xxx incident
May 21 18:35:44 <MohammadAG> lcuk, twitter
May 21 18:35:55 <wall[e]> and python
May 21 18:36:03 * wall[e] wonders why people love horrible languages.
May 21 18:36:14 <pupnik_> wall[e]: do you know any good non-realtime-strategy games?
May 21 18:36:25 <wall[e]> pupnik_, beside freeciv ? no
May 21 18:36:30 <mikhas> wall[e], to show how awesome we are, that is why
May 21 18:36:45 <wall[e]> mikhas, indeed
May 21 18:37:24 <wall[e]> but anyone who love rts should play herzog once
May 21 18:37:40 <wall[e]> if it released today it will sell like hell
May 21 18:37:49 <wall[e]> nobody got the idea what rts were at its time
May 21 18:37:59 <lcuk> MohammadAG, link or context plx
May 21 18:38:01 <lcuk> plz
May 21 18:38:50 <MohammadAG> lcuk, /msg'd it :P
May 21 18:39:24 <wall[e]> i thought people randomly complain about ppl usage
May 21 18:39:28 <wall[e]> why is that?
May 21 18:40:09 <wall[e]> oh herzog oh
May 21 18:40:32 * wall[e] gets back to works.
May 21 18:41:04 <johnsq> Hi
May 21 18:43:48 <pupnik_> enjoy wall[e]
May 21 18:43:58 <wall[e]> i have an idea
May 21 18:44:15 <wall[e]> i think maemo need 3d h-game to attract more h-dev
May 21 18:44:20 <E0x> the gps don't work without a internet connection ?
May 21 18:44:34 <wall[e]> i'll do graphics if anyone want to code
May 21 18:45:18 * wall[e] goes dig mscim
May 21 18:45:42 <mikhas> E0x, there are two gps modes, one is network discovery
May 21 18:46:12 <mikhas> you can configure that somewhere
May 21 18:46:19 <lcuk> wall[e], whats a 3d h-game and whats h-dev?
May 21 18:46:34 <wall[e]> lcuk, hentai game
May 21 18:46:56 <lcuk> of course
May 21 18:47:13 <pupnik_> wow, first pandora has shipped
May 21 18:47:18 <E0x> mikhas: when i use the tracker widget gps-data-logger  i saw the icon of location blinking but never stop blinking
May 21 18:47:30 <pupnik_> faith.  in action.
May 21 18:49:16 <wall[e]> will porno app got in to repos?
May 21 18:49:47 <SpeedEvil> E0x: Sometimes the GPS does not get a lock
May 21 18:49:58 <wall[e]> or should there be an age qualified repo?
May 21 18:50:10 <lcuk> wall[e], make one and find out
May 21 18:50:26 <wall[e]> yeh, interesting idea.
May 21 18:51:09 <E0x> SpeedEvil: with mapper app and internet conection i get lock fast ( i mean the icon of location stop blink )
May 21 18:51:11 <lcuk> i bet it would go in,out,in,out,in,out of the repository
May 21 18:51:19 <wall[e]> heh
May 21 18:52:57 <mirr0r> logout
May 21 18:54:52 <RST38h> ...If that fails, the vessel will move on to a 'junk shot' that involves spewing larger debris like shredded rubber and golf balls into the lines to gum up the flow and stop it...
May 21 18:55:17 <wall[e]> may be uikit clone can attract some people to port their iphone app?
May 21 18:55:25 <wall[e]> i doubt that...
May 21 18:55:38 <wall[e]> 3 guys at most
May 21 18:55:45 <lcuk> wall[e], you really have to apply some context links when you waffle about random stuff
May 21 18:55:55 <RST38h> Jaaksi wearing a black turtleneck might just do the job
May 21 18:56:04 <lcuk> RST38h, BP have really screwed up with that havent they
May 21 18:56:23 <wall[e]> lcuk, well like several people at once
May 21 18:56:35 <wall[e]> UIKit
May 21 18:56:39 <wall[e]> iphone framework
May 21 18:58:00 <RST38h> lcuk: You mean, the plan B, the one involving golf balls? =)
May 21 18:58:40 <RST38h> lcuk: Yes, I would say that any disaster mitigation plan involving golf balls is a sure sign of a screwup
May 21 18:59:26 <lcuk> some firstposter on slashdot just said let the govt take over
May 21 19:00:03 * RST38h likes the Russian MK journo's plan better
May 21 19:00:04 <lcuk> at least now they are considering options to actually closeup the well properly instead of trying to rescue it
May 21 19:00:14 <lcuk> nuclaer explosion?
May 21 19:00:16 <RST38h> "Let us nuke that thing!"
May 21 19:00:19 <lcuk> nuclear
May 21 19:00:51 <SpeedEvil> Pump oxygen down to it, and light it off as it comes out.
May 21 19:00:55 <RST38h> On the other hand, the government can always nuke it
May 21 19:02:39 <RST38h> lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw
May 21 19:03:27 <pupnik_> "it's spelled nukular, lisa.  n-u-k-u-l-a-r"
May 21 19:03:38 <redeeman> :)
May 21 19:03:49 <pupnik_> and these people have atomic bombs...
May 21 19:03:51 <wall[e]> is it a good idea for a gui to arrange DAG of unix command node and it pipe and tee on the fly?
May 21 19:04:08 <wall[e]> and may create app on the fly
May 21 19:05:32 <wall[e]> and store blocks of templates
May 21 19:06:08 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
May 21 19:06:19 <SpeedEvil> Actually - a rather small hose with H2O2 would work.
May 21 19:06:49 <SpeedEvil> I wonder how fire at that depth and pressure would behave.
May 21 19:07:04 <RST38h> It won't
May 21 19:07:30 <RST38h> Oil is a mixture of hydrocarbons, it probably won't burn very well, especially underwater
May 21 19:07:50 <SpeedEvil> Hydrocarbons burn quite well indeed.
May 21 19:07:55 <RST38h> You probably want to add some aluminium powder for the maximal boom
May 21 19:07:55 <SpeedEvil> PRetty much all of them.
May 21 19:08:25 <SpeedEvil> If you can get H2O2 and oil in the same place, and light them off, the reaction will be enthusiastic.
May 21 19:08:32 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: not really, try burning paraffin
May 21 19:08:34 <SpeedEvil> The issue would be mixing.
May 21 19:08:53 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: With pure oxygen - it burns quite vigorously.
May 21 19:09:03 <RST38h> Anything burns with pure oxygen
May 21 19:09:28 <pupnik_> it's an oxidizer ;)
May 21 19:09:35 <RST38h> No shit Sherlock
May 21 19:09:41 <MohammadAG> xD
May 21 19:09:57 * RST38h goes to find his favorite mad chemist blog
May 21 19:12:23 <RST38h> here: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride.php
May 21 19:12:44 <pupnik> heh repeat paste
May 21 19:12:49 <RST38h> (and yes, it reads pretty much like SCP Wiki)
May 21 19:13:32 <pupnik> what is your personal funnest chemistry story
May 21 19:13:44 <mintux1> do you accept this script is safe ? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Tanner#Safely_free_some_space_on_rootfs
May 21 19:14:48 <pupnik> i checked out 'moveroot.sh' and didn't see anything too scary mintux1
May 21 19:14:56 <wall[e]> anyone know how well small puzzle game sells on maemo?
May 21 19:14:58 <pupnik> but other people should check it
May 21 19:15:25 <RST38h> pupnik: I try staying away form funny chemistry
May 21 19:15:28 <wall[e]> or the number of maemo user base
May 21 19:15:47 <RST38h> helps limb retention, you know
May 21 19:16:00 <pupnik> yeah boy oh boy it can hurt
May 21 19:16:12 <mintux1> pupnik: what about local and fonts somebody break his phone here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52443
May 21 19:17:57 <Schorschl> thank u all guys, my n900 is alive without flashing the firmware :D
May 21 19:18:29 <MohammadAG> lol
May 21 19:18:33 <MohammadAG> what was the problem?
May 21 19:18:36 <pupnik> mintux1: i don't understand your question
May 21 19:20:15 <mintux1> pupnik: I read a topic on the froum somebody lost some data and language and something broke on his phone. so I worried about that . I need more space on rootfs and I can not install app . so that script make free space on rootfs. so I worry about that script doesn't break my phone
May 21 19:20:36 <mintux1> and another question is are there any way to install app on /opt ?
May 21 19:20:54 <pupnik> don't use a script.  just investigate each step yourself, and try it
May 21 19:21:03 <mintux1> suppose I would like to install new app . is it possible the file's copy on opt instead of bin?
May 21 19:21:10 <mintux1> ok
May 21 19:22:03 <Schorschl> MohammadAG : i dont know... the battery was empty completly emply and the kernel was broken
May 21 19:22:35 <Schorschl> but after charging i flashed a new kernel and now its alive :D
May 21 19:22:39 <Schorschl> will all data
May 21 19:23:02 <mintux1> how can I get the sum of size of file and directories of a directory in megabyte ? (command line )
May 21 19:23:10 <RST38h> du ?
May 21 19:23:15 <pupnik> du -s *
May 21 19:23:23 <pupnik> du -s [directory]
May 21 19:23:54 <MohammadAG> Schorschl, so it was the kernel lol
May 21 19:24:03 <MohammadAG> which kernel borked it?
May 21 19:24:08 <Schorschl> yes, and the empty battery^^
May 21 19:24:14 <Schorschl> mom
May 21 19:24:38 <Schorschl> MohammadAG : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/
May 21 19:24:55 <MohammadAG> o.O
May 21 19:25:04 <MohammadAG> t-tan needs to see this...
May 21 19:25:04 <pupnik> i got tha powah! [/dance]
May 21 19:25:05 <mintux1> pupnik:the result is in megabyte ? forexample http://codepad.org/3uHqtOrn the sum of themes directory is 1420 Mb ?
May 21 19:25:11 <MohammadAG> ~seen t-tan
May 21 19:25:15 <infobot> t-tan <~tanner@e176238235.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 1h 48m 37s ago, saying: 'has anybody already tried this http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Dump_and_Restore_rootfs_Image ?'.
May 21 19:25:30 <pupnik> hahah.  no guess again
May 21 19:25:37 <pupnik> or du a du -sh *
May 21 19:25:59 <Schorschl> and first... backup
May 21 19:26:35 <wall[e]> can i know the actual storage of the hard disk used for a file on ext3 ?
May 21 19:27:04 <wall[e]> if it is 1gb it may not actually use 1gb of hd right? like all zero
May 21 19:27:19 <wall[e]> due to seek
May 21 19:28:12 <florian> re
May 21 19:31:04 <otubo> otubo, testing
May 21 19:31:29 <otubo> sorry wrong channel!
May 21 19:44:42 <mintux> I moved my apt/cache to /home/user but why when i enabled repo the rootfs get size
May 21 19:45:29 <MohammadAG> /var/lib/apt
May 21 19:45:37 <MohammadAG> and /var/lib/dpkg
May 21 19:45:56 <mintux> it was 31 meg after enable extra extra-devel testing it be 18meb
May 21 19:46:02 <pupnik> /home/user is still in rootfs, mintux
May 21 19:46:11 <MohammadAG> pupnik, uh...
May 21 19:46:18 <MohammadAG> it's on a separate partition
May 21 19:46:22 <pupnik> oh
May 21 19:46:31 <pupnik> i thought that was /home/user/MyDocs
May 21 19:46:43 <MohammadAG> /home is on a 2GB partition
May 21 19:46:52 <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p2 afaik
May 21 19:46:58 <pupnik> how do i confuse these things
May 21 19:47:04 <MohammadAG> yes p2
May 21 19:47:06 <MohammadAG> p3 is swap
May 21 19:47:31 <mintux> MohammadAG:so if I move that path to /home/user my problem will be solved ?
May 21 19:47:42 <MohammadAG> should be
May 21 19:48:46 <mintux> and if I install a app it will be install on / ? not /opt ?
May 21 19:49:10 <MohammadAG> that depends on how it was packaged, not where the folders are
May 21 19:49:18 <mintux> hmm
May 21 19:49:27 <mintux> and can we know before install it ?
May 21 19:49:38 <MohammadAG> dpkg-deb -c afaik
May 21 19:49:58 <mintux> or can we move the package from for example share to /opt and link it ?
May 21 19:50:19 <MohammadAG> depends on the package
May 21 19:50:30 <mintux> and I have another problem why we don't hava man and history command ?
May 21 19:50:47 <MohammadAG> apt-get install man-db man-db-pages
May 21 19:50:55 <pupnik> because history is lies told by the victors
May 21 19:51:08 <valdyn> mintux: history is a bash builtin
May 21 19:51:09 <mintux> :-D
May 21 19:51:14 <valdyn> mintux: you can have it if you just use bash
May 21 19:51:37 <mintux> valdyn: yeah but when I use it . it said -sh: history: not found
May 21 19:51:48 <valdyn> mintux: you are not using bash
May 21 19:51:53 <valdyn> mintux: thats busybox?
May 21 19:52:06 <mintux> so how can I use it ? I should install it ?
May 21 19:52:15 <valdyn> mintux: its packaged
May 21 19:52:47 <mintux> MohammadAG: do we have documents on maemo somewhere like /share and take space ?
May 21 19:52:52 <mintux> or manuals
May 21 19:52:56 <MohammadAG> apt-get install man-db man-db-pages
May 21 19:53:09 <MohammadAG> need I say it again? :)
May 21 19:53:51 <mintux> no .I understand .my question was if we have manuals it may be in /share and take space so move it to /home/user
May 21 19:54:17 <valdyn> mintux: install the packages and look?
May 21 19:54:48 <mintux> valdyn:ok I'll try it after release some spcae on rootfs
May 21 19:55:05 <MohammadAG> mintux, i packaged it to install to /opt/man
May 21 19:55:16 <MohammadAG> and if lcuk is right I broke the autobuilder
May 21 19:55:40 <mintux> MohammadAG:so where is it ? which repo?
May 21 19:56:01 <MohammadAG> -devel
May 21 19:56:06 <mintux> great
May 21 19:56:37 <MohammadAG> yeah, expect a slow install though
May 21 19:56:43 <MohammadAG> it needs to generate a database
May 21 19:56:52 <mintux> hmm
May 21 19:57:03 <mintux> and it created on /opt not root ?
May 21 19:57:12 <MohammadAG> yes
May 21 19:57:20 <MohammadAG> /opt/man/man0
May 21 19:57:25 <mintux> hmm
May 21 19:57:25 <MohammadAG> don't worry about it
May 21 19:57:28 <mintux> ok
May 21 19:58:19 * mintux wants god help him because he wants to move /var/lib/apt
May 21 19:58:33 <lcuk> sorry, god is busy
May 21 19:58:41 <lcuk> hes testing pr1.2
May 21 19:58:41 <mintux> :-D
May 21 19:58:52 <MohammadAG> lol
May 21 19:59:14 <MohammadAG> lcuk, if god's testing 1.2 that means there's no 1.3
May 21 19:59:30 <lcuk> why
May 21 19:59:36 <mintux> there is no list of package's that installed on /opt . it's great if they put this point in description of package
May 21 19:59:39 <lcuk> god is omnipresent
May 21 19:59:43 <MohammadAG> oh right, that got tested
May 21 19:59:58 <lcuk> hes testing1.2 as well as every other version at same time
May 21 20:00:06 <valdyn> mintux: theres a script to optify any package
May 21 20:00:19 <MohammadAG> lcuk, even 1.0?
May 21 20:00:24 <lcuk> theres a script to optify any folder too, but thats by the by
May 21 20:00:29 <lcuk> MohammadAG, especially 1.0
May 21 20:00:41 <MohammadAG> lcuk, what about DeeGo?
May 21 20:00:46 <MohammadAG> the debian based MeeGo
May 21 20:01:10 <lcuk> god draws the line somewhere :P
May 21 20:01:17 <mintux> valdyn: what does it do exactly ? when you want to install it moved to /opt or move some package installed to /opt
May 21 20:01:46 <valdyn> mintux: it just moves and symlinks anything in /usr, or similar
May 21 20:02:13 <lcuk> mintux, understand that opt is a hack whichever way you look at it, but new packages build and constructed for the purpose now store and use their data inside /opt directly.  older packages need some kind of symlinkability
May 21 20:02:19 <valdyn> mintux: or /usr/lib, i dont really know it exactly
May 21 20:02:24 <mintux> valdyn: it's  pymaemo-optify ?
May 21 20:02:37 <valdyn>  mintux that one is just python
May 21 20:02:58 <mintux> what is the name of it?
May 21 20:03:22 <lcuk> maemo-optify and theres a readme related
May 21 20:03:32 <valdyn> mintux: i cant put it up, i dont remember where I have it from, its optify.sh
May 21 20:03:41 <valdyn> mintux: err I *can* put it up
May 21 20:04:03 <lcuk> http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README
May 21 20:04:24 <mintux> hmm so I should run it in some period of times to move /usr to /opt
May 21 20:07:03 <Nadley> hi everybody
May 21 20:07:17 <valdyn> mintux: https://valdyn.org/optify.sh No guarantees, and i think Nokia thinks that optifying can make things slower.
May 21 20:07:47 <Nadley> I'm looking for a virtualbox image to start developping with maemo where quand I find one ?
May 21 20:07:49 <mintux> hmm . means it move everything to /opt or some package
May 21 20:07:53 <Nadley> *can
May 21 20:07:56 <tybollt_> hmm
May 21 20:08:11 <tybollt_> stskeeps: will meego "fix" the optifying misstake?
May 21 20:08:17 <mintux> valdyn:did you test it ? your phone be slow ?
May 21 20:08:26 <mintux> valdyn: did you test it ? your phone be slow
May 21 20:08:28 <valdyn> mintux: im find
May 21 20:08:29 <valdyn> mintux: im fine
May 21 20:08:35 <mintux> hmm
May 21 20:08:46 <valdyn> I dont get why anyone thinks that optifying is a problem
May 21 20:08:59 <valdyn> *not* having done it right on release is the actual mistake
May 21 20:09:17 <trumee> which is a more stable connection wpa or wpa2?
May 21 20:09:29 <mintux> valdyn: I want to move /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/apt what is your idea ? I do it or not?
May 21 20:09:55 <valdyn> mintux: if that script does that, then it works for me
May 21 20:10:01 <mintux> mv /var/lib/apt /home/user/.apt-lib-cache
May 21 20:10:05 <lcuk> valdyn, i do believe pontificating about making it right is easier than making it right.  voice of experience here.
May 21 20:10:14 <valdyn> mintux: in this case im a dumb user, i just ran the script, im lazy to read it
May 21 20:10:25 <mintux> hmm
May 21 20:10:51 <mintux> I'll save 60meg
May 21 20:11:22 <trumee> is wpa2 more work for N900 compared to wpa?
May 21 20:11:36 <lcuk> valdyn, why have you got the .sh on a https connection?
May 21 20:11:38 <Nadley> nobody can help to find a virtualbox appliance to develop with maemo ?
May 21 20:11:40 <lcuk> especially one without a cert
May 21 20:11:40 <valdyn> lcuk: not even dict.org can help me with pontificate
May 21 20:12:11 <valdyn> lcuk: because i dont have a plain http server at all
May 21 20:12:18 <nidO> trumee not to the point of causing problems, and I have a vague recollection that there are issues with the n900 and wpa currently
May 21 20:12:40 <nidO> you should be using wpa2 in any case
May 21 20:13:04 <trumee> nid0, ok going to stick with wpa2
May 21 20:15:10 <valdyn> Nadley: iirc virtualbox can deal with plain disk images just fine too
May 21 20:15:46 <Nadley> valdyn: sorry but I don't understand
May 21 20:16:26 <valdyn> Nadley: what you call "appliance" is not much more than a plain image of a disk plus *some* configuration for virtual box that is mostly redundant
May 21 20:16:49 <valdyn> Nadley: you just need a disk image and set vbox to boot from the first partition of that image, or somesuch
May 21 20:17:04 <Nadley> valdyn: ah yes of course I now but I'm looking for this image  :D
May 21 20:17:11 <Nadley> *know
May 21 20:17:16 <mintux> where is save email's message's and ...? in root or home ?
May 21 20:17:26 <mintux> sms
May 21 20:18:26 <valdyn> Nadley: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images#Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Image_Content
May 21 20:19:44 <Nadley> valdyn: thanks but I find it and they say to go there http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php to find the file but there is no file usable with virtualbox
May 21 20:20:16 <valdyn> Nadley: bottom of that page
May 21 20:20:43 <Nadley> ok sorry
May 21 20:21:07 <mintux> valdyn: I saw that script . I moved that path manually before
May 21 20:21:29 <mintux> valdyn: what free do you have in rootfs now ?
May 21 20:22:15 <valdyn> mintux: 72.5
May 21 20:22:36 <valdyn> mintux: but i didnt run that script for a long time and im on pr1.2 ( leaked )
May 21 20:23:01 <mintux> you don't need to run  again
May 21 20:23:19 <mintux> because everything place in /home/user
May 21 20:23:27 <valdyn> mintux: i never ran it after flashing pr1.2
May 21 20:23:47 <valdyn> mintux: im guessing whatever that script ever did is canceld by flashing
May 21 20:23:48 <mintux> some of my widget disappeared
May 21 20:24:02 <mintux> yes
May 21 20:24:06 <mintux> what is your device ?
May 21 20:24:29 <valdyn> mintux: uh?
May 21 20:24:58 <mintux> did you upgrade your os ?
May 21 20:25:12 <valdyn> mintux: i flashed the leaked pr1.2
May 21 20:25:30 <mintux> and what was previous ?
May 21 20:25:40 <valdyn> 1.1.1 ?
May 21 20:26:01 <mintux> your device is n900?
May 21 20:26:07 <valdyn> mintux: sure
May 21 20:27:24 <mintux> some widget doesn't work anymore after move something to /home/user
May 21 20:27:35 <lcuk> valdyn, can you pastebin your script somewhere feasible to access, i strongly dislike security for the sake of it
May 21 20:27:48 <valdyn> lcuk: uh?
May 21 20:27:53 <lcuk> pastebin.com
May 21 20:27:59 <mintux> no I taked mistake they works . but they are in another desktop
May 21 20:28:00 <lcuk> your script, put it there?
May 21 20:28:05 <valdyn> lcuk: i can do that
May 21 20:28:24 <valdyn> lcuk: but i dont understand why you would mind that no one can eavesdrop
May 21 20:28:58 <wall[e]> what choose which partition can be exported on mass storage mode?
May 21 20:29:20 <lcuk> valdyn, i just dont like security certificates and obfuscation around useless stuff, and i have no need or desire to do anything else on your site
May 21 20:29:32 <lcuk> so i wouldnt accept a self cert
May 21 20:29:38 <valdyn> lcuk: its not obfuscated
May 21 20:30:25 <valdyn> lcuk: your webbrowser is just confusing you
May 21 20:30:30 <lcuk> its not openly accessible tho
May 21 20:30:41 <valdyn> lcuk: its accessible by everyone
May 21 20:31:10 <valdyn> lcuk: the fact that your browser issues a warning just means that microsoft did not ship the root cert
May 21 20:31:27 <valdyn> ( but they ship root certs for alot of stuff you cant trust any better )
May 21 20:31:44 <valdyn> lcuk: http://pastebin.com/fpYAQmQs
May 21 20:31:52 <lcuk> cool ta
May 21 20:31:57 <lcuk> what have MS gotta do with this?
May 21 20:32:23 <valdyn> lcuk: the warning you get sais that you dont have the root cert for "cacert.org"
May 21 20:32:39 <marcus__> Anybody could guide me to get python-qt4 on my n900?
May 21 20:32:43 <valdyn> lcuk: thats just one certificate authority like verisign
May 21 20:32:43 <lcuk> no it didnt valdyn
May 21 20:32:54 <marcus__> I tried with python2.5-qt4-gui, but some packages were old or something (via apt-get install)
May 21 20:33:00 <valdyn> lcuk: but thats what it means
May 21 20:33:28 <valdyn> lcuk: the most important difference is that you already have the verisign root cert, so you dont get a warning, but you dont have the cacert root certificate
May 21 20:33:47 <Arkenoi> anyone playing d1x-rebirth? any advices on controls setup?
May 21 20:34:18 <valdyn> lcuk: this stuff looks like its made to confuse people, I admit
May 21 20:34:40 <lcuk> especially for a shell script
May 21 20:35:07 <valdyn> lcuk: my cert just claims that valdyn.org is valdyn.org, it doesnt try to convince you that im trustworthy like a bank
May 21 20:35:43 <valdyn> lcuk: sure, agreed
May 21 20:36:55 <valdyn> lcuk: maybe you never noticed, but microsoft ( or whoever got your root certs on your computer ) decided for you who you can trust and who you cannot ;)
May 21 20:41:17 <lcuk> valdyn, sure, i'd rather have a big group of big companies making sure their sites were marked trusted than each and every one having wild west style self certs.  for financials and other things i do with them thats ok with me.  but individuals signing up randomly for nonesense things just highlights it and asks silly questions and just makes the internet a not very open system
May 21 20:41:35 <pupnik> heh heh
May 21 20:41:50 <valdyn> lcuk: were not talking about self certs here
May 21 20:42:08 <lcuk> to the end user theres not much difference
May 21 20:42:27 <valdyn> thats the problem
May 21 20:42:54 <valdyn> thinking that something is trustworthy because someone paid verisign
May 21 20:43:27 <wall[e]> anyone try blender? i just want the sequencer part
May 21 20:43:28 <lcuk> sure, thats how companies work - they are the only ones who can afford to so you know you are talking to the big sites themselves
May 21 20:43:37 <lcuk> valdyn, anyway, original topic
May 21 20:43:47 <lcuk> you say you have the leaky pr1.2 on your device
May 21 20:43:47 <wall[e]> (if it is fast enough by that part)
May 21 20:43:54 <lcuk> why didnt you run your script on it
May 21 20:43:54 <valdyn> lcuk: "malware" is a big industry
May 21 20:44:05 <valdyn> lcuk: i dont need to
May 21 20:44:19 <lcuk> why not
May 21 20:44:33 <valdyn> lcuk: i ran it on 1.1.1 and before, but pr1.2 seems to change things so you got more space on /
May 21 20:44:59 <lcuk> sure it does :) because we listened to people and tried to help out space wise
May 21 20:45:17 <lcuk> your script is a bit similar to how the maemo one in pr1.2 looks
May 21 20:45:18 <lcuk> http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime
May 21 20:45:27 <wall[e]> and maemo sdk stuck, clicking cancel warns things
May 21 20:45:35 <wall[e]> stuck like hours
May 21 20:45:43 <valdyn> lcuk: i just dont remember where i have it from, its probably the same origin
May 21 20:45:47 <wall[e]> installation*
May 21 20:45:51 <lcuk> doubt it
May 21 20:46:04 * lcuk wrote it from scratch ;)
May 21 20:46:11 <valdyn> alright then
May 21 20:48:42 <SpeedEvil> does apt-get install whatever do the same as installing whatever through HAM?
May 21 20:48:56 <SpeedEvil> i mean - are there any caveats?
May 21 20:49:42 <valdyn> SpeedEvil: you can force apt-get to do really stupid things
May 21 20:49:57 <E0x> SpeedEvil: yes do the same
May 21 20:50:09 <E0x> HAM is the aplication manager right ?
May 21 20:50:12 <valdyn> SpeedEvil: "apt-get install <package-that-triggers-removal-of-essential-package>"
May 21 20:50:24 <SpeedEvil> valdyn: I know you can - I'm assuming only packages installable through HAM
May 21 20:50:24 <dmj726> ...HAM is I think just a front end that uses apt-get
May 21 20:50:47 <SpeedEvil> Yes - I'm not sure if HAM has any 'magic' wrapped around apt-get.
May 21 20:50:53 <E0x> in HAM you can't install 2 package at the same time
May 21 20:50:59 <E0x> with apt-get you can
May 21 20:51:10 <E0x> apt-get install package1  package2
May 21 20:51:17 <SpeedEvil> yes, I know.
May 21 20:51:22 <lcuk> valdyn, how are you finding 1.2 and have you noticed any huge gotchas
May 21 20:52:26 <valdyn> lcuk: nothing huge, e-mail widget isnt working ( but I assume it will in final anyway )
May 21 20:52:59 <tybollt_> speedevil: will meego "fix" the optifying misstake?
May 21 20:53:10 <valdyn> then i had huge issues recently, but that was probably only to blam on the unofficial kernels
May 21 20:53:36 <MohammadAG> tybollt_, Maemo never had the mistake
May 21 20:53:39 <MohammadAG> the HW did
May 21 20:54:22 <tybollt_> do not agree w/ that
May 21 20:54:23 <SpeedEvil> tybollt_: meego includes a coupon for a free SoC with a 2GB NAND installed on it.
May 21 20:54:30 <tybollt_> meh
May 21 20:54:33 <tybollt_> jaja
May 21 20:54:34 <SpeedEvil> tybollt_: You have to install it yourself though.
May 21 20:54:57 <MohammadAG> tybollt_, it's not maemo's fault
May 21 20:55:01 <dmj726> can I install the SoC from apt?
May 21 20:55:05 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: yes, it is.
May 21 20:55:10 <MohammadAG> go install the SDK, it shows root as 60GB
May 21 20:55:18 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, how, a bigger root would've worked
May 21 20:55:51 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: / not being the system drive you install all the software on was solved 20 years ago.
May 21 20:56:01 <SpeedEvil> 30 probably.
May 21 20:56:10 <MohammadAG> well
May 21 20:56:21 <MohammadAG> /usr could've been mounted somewhere else
May 21 20:56:36 <SpeedEvil>  /usr /var on the emmc - and the problem goes away.
May 21 20:56:52 <MohammadAG> but the scripts are hardcoded... so
May 21 20:57:02 <MohammadAG> yeah, blame maemo
May 21 20:57:59 <wall[e]> lib better on faster paging
May 21 20:58:19 * SpeedEvil sings the "Blame Nokia" song, with all the gusto of a 8-year-old on a sugar binge.
May 21 20:58:28 <SpeedEvil> (To the Tune of Blame Canada)
May 21 20:59:05 <lcuk> this is open source.  why blame others?  come up with a much better proposal and follow it up
May 21 20:59:20 <tripzero> w00t
May 21 20:59:28 <tybollt_> SpeedEvil++
May 21 20:59:59 <MohammadAG> lcuk, uhuh
May 21 21:00:08 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I have no problems with root
May 21 21:00:10 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: That isn't the open-source way!
May 21 21:00:27 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: The open-source way is to complain and bitch that someone else should have coded it better.
May 21 21:00:34 <tripzero> haha
May 21 21:00:35 <lcuk> it it must be.  someone must have decided that the current wasnt good enough
May 21 21:00:50 <tripzero> ~ff
May 21 21:00:51 <infobot> rumour has it, ff is even in dutch, or fork&fsck, or or Android
May 21 21:00:56 <wall[e]> open source is forking into photon soup
May 21 21:01:00 <MohammadAG> lcuk, why? root worksforme
May 21 21:02:07 <wall[e]> and remerged just to be forked again.
May 21 21:02:35 <lcuk> some people are better at forking than others
May 21 21:02:57 <lcuk> but its not the size of the repository that counts
May 21 21:03:42 <dmj726> interestingly, just about any utensil name can be used as a verb.
May 21 21:03:42 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, the biggest thing ive got a problem with is how come we need more than 256mb on rootfs in the first place ;)
May 21 21:03:46 <marcus__> ImportError: cannot import name QtGui         anybody know why this is showing up?
May 21 21:03:51 <marcus__> python with qt4
May 21 21:04:01 <valdyn> whats up with vertical scrolling vs horizontal, why is vertical slower.. ?
May 21 21:04:16 <lcuk> ? valdyn
May 21 21:04:27 <wall[e]> i wonder why... nand is not only be used for swap..
May 21 21:04:41 <DocScrutinizer> ~optification
May 21 21:04:42 <infobot> optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs
May 21 21:04:43 <lcuk> its probably got the same speed but it appears faster on landscape because of the less pixels
May 21 21:04:45 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 21 21:05:00 <valdyn> lcuk: in microb and  i think everywhere you get scrolling glitches
May 21 21:05:11 <valdyn> lcuk: is that tearing? i dont know.
May 21 21:05:20 <lcuk> i dont know either
May 21 21:05:30 <valdyn> lcuk: only noticable when scrolling in portrait mode however
May 21 21:06:18 <MohammadAG> no tearing here
May 21 21:06:28 <wall[e]> font rendering may have something to do with that?
May 21 21:06:42 <valdyn> i dont think so
May 21 21:06:47 <wall[e]> like glyph calculation must be done for horizontal more than vert
May 21 21:06:53 <lcuk> that reminds me
May 21 21:06:56 <N900evil> What is an album, but a collecgion of mp3 im a directory?
May 21 21:06:59 <lcuk> ill probably be offline most of the weekend
May 21 21:07:03 <lcuk> ive got some things i need to do
May 21 21:07:09 <valdyn> same in opera anyway
May 21 21:07:11 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: it's not the size that counts, it's the turn around time ;-P
May 21 21:07:12 <N900evil> wrt tracker/media player.
May 21 21:07:24 <wall[e]> vertical *
May 21 21:07:31 <wall[e]> vert stands for vertices!
May 21 21:07:31 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, sure
May 21 21:07:49 <Shapeshifter> I notice it's kinda hard to get good themes into extras with the current voting system
May 21 21:08:05 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, ?
May 21 21:08:18 <Shapeshifter> because usually there's like 5 different colors. and you have to vote for everyone. there's some perfectly good themes around which have very few or 0 votes
May 21 21:09:08 <valdyn> seems like a general problem through all apps, i dont understand why
May 21 21:09:16 <DocScrutinizer> I noticed my karma going up at a rate of ~2pts/week :-P
May 21 21:09:48 <adnyxo> im having some trouble with the sd card in my n810
May 21 21:09:55 <Shapeshifter> I think people aren't really aware anyway of the package promotion procedure
May 21 21:10:05 <Shapeshifter> users of -devel and -testing that is, not developers
May 21 21:10:06 <MohammadAG> karma (insert word starting wit w)
May 21 21:10:10 <MohammadAG> with*
May 21 21:10:12 <adnyxo> the tablet complains about the formating so i format it from within the tablet
May 21 21:10:25 <adnyxo> but when i take it out and transfer files to it,
May 21 21:10:51 <adnyxo> when i put it back in the tablet complains about corruption
May 21 21:11:24 <wall[e]> whore
May 21 21:11:31 * wall[e] inserts.
May 21 21:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: thus my suggestion to 'wrap' testing apps into a script invoking the promotion site of that very app, on quit of the app itself
May 21 21:11:39 <wall[e]> perfect sense.
May 21 21:12:04 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: rather, invoking the voting on promoting
May 21 21:12:05 <adnyxo> lol
May 21 21:12:27 <Shapeshifter> ah "the promotion site"
May 21 21:12:30 <Shapeshifter> I get it, nvm ;)
May 21 21:12:46 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: err, have to confess I have not the slightest idea of the differences
May 21 21:12:49 <thunderfest> so last night I crashed my n900 while I was also installing the "extra decoders support" package now the media doesn't seem recognize any type of media file....any suggestions on where to start fixing this?
May 21 21:13:04 <thunderfest> media player*
May 21 21:13:37 <wall[e]> did apt-get help? like -f install ?
May 21 21:13:40 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: nah I misread. I thought you meant it would be promoted on quitting
May 21 21:13:54 <DocScrutinizer> lemme guess... garage.maemo.org/projects/<projname>
May 21 21:14:13 <DocScrutinizer> need to thumb up a few apps
May 21 21:14:17 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, problem is some scripts dont install binaries
May 21 21:14:25 <lcuk> packages
May 21 21:14:31 <lcuk> so there is no run cycle
May 21 21:14:37 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: err what?
May 21 21:14:54 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
May 21 21:14:54 <lcuk> "wrap testing apps into a script"
May 21 21:15:04 <MohammadAG> lcuk, no probs with scripts here
May 21 21:15:09 <DocScrutinizer> when the script is the app, or ... ? err
May 21 21:15:17 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=r-style for example
May 21 21:15:19 <lcuk> themes etc just drop pngs
May 21 21:15:44 <lcuk> no binaries or scripts required to run
May 21 21:16:03 <wall[e]> anyone know if i can prevent theme engine not to stretch but tiling instead?
May 21 21:16:06 <MohammadAG> grr
May 21 21:16:06 <wall[e]> configurable?
May 21 21:16:14 <MohammadAG> he's not saying it
May 21 21:17:12 <DocScrutinizer> >>Warning: Promotion of experimental Qt based applications (qt4-maemo5) is blocked...<< fsck
May 21 21:17:30 <Shapeshifter> lol
May 21 21:17:34 <Shapeshifter> fail
May 21 21:18:07 <Shapeshifter> who care about 1.2... but just don't let the whole infrastructure be crippled for months
May 21 21:18:11 <Shapeshifter> *cares
May 21 21:18:44 <lcuk> MohammadAG, if i remind you that you are "special" every time you request it, it no longer has the same meaning
May 21 21:18:51 * MohammadAG infiltrates Nokia
May 21 21:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> actually I tried to thumb up 2 apps, and none of them had the option to do that. Can't be bothered to do that any time soon again
May 21 21:18:54 <tybollt_> Shapeshifter: oh wait, thats just what they did :)
May 21 21:19:15 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=1 DocScrutinizer
May 21 21:19:30 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
May 21 21:20:40 <dmj726> grr...qt/pr1.2 hate
May 21 21:21:06 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: you're not sugesting I visit and scan that page 3 times a day, do you?
May 21 21:21:11 <dmj726> ...the half dozen apps I can't update.
May 21 21:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: see, I got fahrplan, WFM, ->thumb-up ->fail. alarmed, WFM ->thumbup ->FAIL. WTF screwit. never try again.
May 21 21:24:22 <MohammadAG> lcuk, you mentioned your son had an X6
May 21 21:24:28 <DocScrutinizer> when RST38h comes here with a URL asking for support, I may bother
May 21 21:24:28 <Arkenoi> Our largest national WiMAX operator announced it will migrate to LTE. Not really good (i'd prefer just better network coverage), though, there is a chance next Nokia qwerty linux device will be LTE-capable and almost none that it will support WiMAX
May 21 21:24:29 <MohammadAG> ever had a look @ Symbian :)
May 21 21:24:35 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise - NOT
May 21 21:25:31 <DocScrutinizer> that scheme is definitely FUBAR and a PITA
May 21 21:26:00 <lcuk> MohammadAG, hes got an X something i assume its a 6 but i dunno
May 21 21:26:09 <lcuk> it might even be an 8 :S
May 21 21:26:13 * lcuk cant remember
May 21 21:26:21 <MohammadAG> lcuk, X6
May 21 21:26:30 <MohammadAG> lcuk, about symbian :)
May 21 21:26:55 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I'm assuming it has a (capacitive) touchscreen
May 21 21:27:45 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: sorry, but ping me when your alarmed actually can use a vote
May 21 21:28:09 <lcuk> MohammadAG, assume so, dunno tho its not my phone so i dont muck about with it
May 21 21:28:29 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not the tmo & maemo.org/packages and dunnowhat webpage poller monkey :-S
May 21 21:28:38 <Arkenoi> BTW are current LTE devices dual SIM (separate LTE data and 3G voice)?
May 21 21:29:12 <MohammadAG> lcuk, heh
May 21 21:29:15 <thunderfest> is there a maemo command to open a file in the default app for that file type?  like gnome-open on gnome systems?
May 21 21:29:29 <lcuk> bbl anyway
May 21 21:29:31 <lcuk> cooling down
May 21 21:30:24 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: current LTE devices??? o.O
May 21 21:30:49 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, there are some handests already? As there are networks already..
May 21 21:30:58 <DocScrutinizer> I heard some little town in the north of europe actually is testing LTE
May 21 21:31:23 <DocScrutinizer> but seems hard to find a handset for that LTE test network
May 21 21:31:27 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, yes, and they do have handsets, right?
May 21 21:31:52 <DocScrutinizer> ask the dudes in here who live there ;-P
May 21 21:43:36 <frals> what, doesnt everyone have LTE in their hometown? O_o
May 21 21:43:39 <Stskeeps> tybollt_: damn well hope so
May 21 21:44:15 <thunderfest> where can I download the freemantle image to re-flash my n900
May 21 21:44:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
May 21 21:44:27 <infobot> ~pong
May 21 21:45:09 <thunderfest> nevermind I found it
May 21 21:55:00 <yabbapappa> Ok.. what is wrong in this? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pykake_0.5.0-8/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt
May 21 21:56:01 <lcuk> MohammadAG - your call - its got man-db again
May 21 21:56:44 <MohammadAG> lcuk, i guess i broke the autobuilder?
May 21 21:57:09 <yabbapappa> So the problem is not in my code?
May 21 21:58:07 <MohammadAG> umm
May 21 21:58:35 <MohammadAG> yabbapappa, can you try adding man-db (=2.5.1-3maemo1) to build-depends?
May 21 21:59:00 <MohammadAG> if it works I'll need X-Fade to take down the package, then i'll rename it
May 21 21:59:01 <yabbapappa> MohammadAG yes I think soo
May 21 21:59:27 <MohammadAG> lcuk, that's the right syntax right?
May 21 22:00:21 <yabbapappa> This is ok, or should it be something more? >> p.depends = "python, python-gtk2, python-pygame, python-gconf, python-gobject, python-gst0.10, python-hildon, lirc, man-db"
May 21 22:00:22 <rcg> hmm so i am not the only one keeping X-Fade busy ;P
May 21 22:01:27 <MohammadAG> pypackager eh?
May 21 22:01:40 <yabbapappa> py2deb
May 21 22:01:44 <MohammadAG> I need it to use a versioned man-db :/
May 21 22:01:58 <MohammadAG> sec
May 21 22:02:29 <rcg> anyways .. time to call it a day .. cya
May 21 22:02:40 <kpoman> hi
May 21 22:03:55 <kpoman> do someone know if there is an application to monitor wifi signal of access points or something similar ?
May 21 22:04:03 <kpoman> like a signal-o-meter app ?
May 21 22:05:11 <yabbapappa> Ok, command back, now it worked :P So it was in my code (or temporal error)
May 21 22:05:24 <DocScrutinizer> tztztz
May 21 22:06:59 <kpoman> ?
May 21 22:07:06 <DocScrutinizer51> kpoman: wifiinfo
May 21 22:08:02 <DocScrutinizer51> WiFiInfo app
May 21 22:08:33 <DocScrutinizer51> now comes with weird sounds X-P
May 21 22:09:02 <MohammadAG> lol
May 21 22:12:58 <kpoman> DocScrutinizer51: ok I am looking for it
May 21 22:14:33 <DocScrutinizer51> ...and a fat bold warning on firstrun about power consumption, which probaly is right
May 21 22:15:48 <kpoman> DocScrutinizer51: I cant find the app on app manager, nor on the internet
May 21 22:15:56 <yabbapappa> ok, I can't remove the older version of my app (pyKake 0.5.0-7) from app manager, is there some other way (except reflash) to do it? :P
May 21 22:16:17 * DocScrutinizer51 sighs
May 21 22:16:18 <kpoman> oh
May 21 22:16:21 <kpoman> soory
May 21 22:16:42 <kpoman> it was wifiinfo
May 21 22:16:50 <kpoman> i looked for wifimonitor, my mistake
May 21 22:17:05 <kpoman> DocScrutinizer51: but it seems like it monitors only current wifi connexion right ?
May 21 22:17:17 <DocScrutinizer51> nope
May 21 22:18:27 <kpoman> oops
May 21 22:18:33 <kpoman> it does monitor all I think
May 21 22:18:35 <DocScrutinizer51> current / all
May 21 22:19:40 <kpoman> what are wardrive and powersaving options for ?
May 21 22:20:30 <DocScrutinizer51> uh?
May 21 22:20:51 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe I got an old version?
May 21 22:21:24 <MohammadAG> grr
May 21 22:21:29 <kpoman> ok
May 21 22:21:31 <kpoman> np
May 21 22:21:43 <MohammadAG> lcuk, uploading new version of man-db with reversed changes
May 21 22:22:14 <MohammadAG> when X-Fade goes online he can take all post maemo1 versions
May 21 22:23:34 <wall[e]> good night maemo
May 21 22:26:30 <MohammadAG> err
May 21 22:26:42 <MohammadAG> lcuk, his package built correctly
May 21 22:26:43 <MohammadAG> :S
May 21 22:26:56 <MohammadAG> it's not my package then?
May 21 22:27:03 <lcuk> i saw! maybe not
May 21 22:27:11 <MohammadAG> UGH
May 21 22:27:35 <MohammadAG> i just upload maemo4 with reversed changes
May 21 22:27:36 <lcuk> lol - thing is having something in -devel replacing the sdk is potentially a bit wrong
May 21 22:27:50 <MohammadAG> lcuk, my SDK doesn't upgrade man-db
May 21 22:28:22 <MohammadAG> i wanted to backup my package
May 21 22:28:27 <lcuk> look at what autobuilder does tho
May 21 22:28:31 <MohammadAG> so i did an apt-get source man-db
May 21 22:28:37 <MohammadAG> it downloaded maemo1
May 21 22:29:12 <lcuk> do you have source enabled for -devel?
May 21 22:29:19 <MohammadAG> but it worked :S
May 21 22:29:20 <MohammadAG> yeah
May 21 22:29:48 <MohammadAG> deb-src
May 21 22:31:14 <lcuk> pass MohammadAG i keep seeing builder fails and amongst them your package is grabbed instead of the sdk one
May 21 22:31:20 <lcuk> :P
May 21 22:35:37 <MohammadAG> lcuk, repackaged as man-db-n900
May 21 22:36:03 <MohammadAG> is there any damn way to make dpkg-buildpackage use all 4 cores lol
May 21 22:36:19 <lcuk> :D run it from 4 consoles :p
May 21 22:36:26 <lcuk> or just get a faster single core
May 21 22:36:27 <lcuk> :D
May 21 22:37:39 <MohammadAG> lol
May 21 22:38:06 <MohammadAG> 8 Cores exist right?
May 21 22:39:04 <Appiah> dual quad core
May 21 22:42:13 <lcuk> MohammadAG, but then you will just moan that 7 of them are idle
May 21 22:42:30 <lcuk> hey adam
May 21 22:43:14 <MohammadAG> lcuk, well
May 21 22:43:16 <MohammadAG> gah
May 21 22:44:38 <yabbapappa> Ok, I should select the latest Global release of frimware (pr 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8) to flash? (It is good as long as it speaks finnish :p )
May 21 22:51:40 <lcuk> gnite \o
May 21 22:51:42 <MohammadAG> global it is
May 21 22:51:46 <MohammadAG> Night...
May 21 22:53:19 <yabbapappa> MohammadAG, that I supposed too :)
May 21 22:58:03 <DocScrutinizer> #cs op #maemo MohammadAG
May 21 22:58:40 * SpeedEvil wishes the 1.2 screwage would get fixed.
May 21 22:58:54 <SpeedEvil> WRT devels not being able to deploy QT apps.
May 21 22:59:15 <SpeedEvil> We need to be encouraging people to be moving to QT ASAP - if that's the way it's going.
May 21 22:59:43 <pexi> no
May 21 22:59:45 <pexi> python
May 21 22:59:55 <talonz> efl :D
May 21 22:59:58 <SpeedEvil> python and QT are orthogonal.
May 21 23:00:26 <DocScrutinizer> aiui the "1.2 screwage" should be fixed by now, by some cruft always using oldest version of a lib to link against
May 21 23:00:27 <ShadowJK> maybe they could replace the jabascrpt in qt with python? ;@
May 21 23:00:41 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer; oh.
May 21 23:00:46 <pexi> html5 and python with good device api
May 21 23:00:51 <pexi> that should do it
May 21 23:00:55 <SpeedEvil> I haven't been keeping up as well as I should with app-devel.
May 21 23:01:00 <SpeedEvil> awkQT
May 21 23:01:03 <SpeedEvil> Job done.
May 21 23:01:37 <DocScrutinizer> ask X-Fade
May 21 23:02:01 <DocScrutinizer> or Stskeeps
May 21 23:02:09 <SpeedEvil> I shouldn't really be commenting - the closest I've come to an app yet is spewing one-liners on IRC.
May 21 23:02:25 <DocScrutinizer> seen a wiki or tmo post or sth OWTTE
May 21 23:02:28 <pexi> ShadowJK, why not replace python with javascript ;) http://lively.cs.tut.fi/qt/
May 21 23:03:04 <DocScrutinizer> alas I can't keep 5000 browser windows on my desktop
May 21 23:03:22 <DocScrutinizer> even the bookmarks become unmanageable
May 21 23:03:34 * SpeedEvil should close tabs.
May 21 23:04:18 <SpeedEvil> I have a really bad habit of leaving tabs open, as I'm going to get to it soon.
May 21 23:04:29 <DocScrutinizer> same here
May 21 23:04:41 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I said 5000 is too much :-P
May 21 23:04:44 <SpeedEvil> For example - to edit the wikipedia page on Glycogenesis, as I found it confusingly incomplete.
May 21 23:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> another nice one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procrastination
May 21 23:07:47 <DocScrutinizer> causes xx windows with xx tabs each on my desktop
May 21 23:15:36 * GeneralAntilles has officially reached dumbass status.
May 21 23:15:58 <GeneralAntilles> When 'setxkbmap us' throws an error after editing your keyboard symbols file, don't reboot to "fix" it.
May 21 23:16:24 * MohammadAG plays Call of Duty "You have been promoted" sound effects
May 21 23:16:31 <MohammadAG> boot loop?
May 21 23:17:16 <GeneralAntilles> Hildon crash, I think.
May 21 23:17:28 <GeneralAntilles> Boots to showing an FBReader shortcut icon in the left corner on a dark gray background
May 21 23:17:29 <MohammadAG> R&D is your friend, sometimes
May 21 23:17:33 <GeneralAntilles> You can tap it.
May 21 23:17:40 <MohammadAG> kill the watchdog
May 21 23:17:41 <MohammadAG> repair
May 21 23:17:42 <GeneralAntilles> But it doesn't open anything
May 21 23:17:46 <MohammadAG> revive the watchdog
May 21 23:17:48 <GeneralAntilles> Watchdog didn't force a reboot.
May 21 23:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> and I didn't have a machine to fix it with at work today.
May 21 23:18:23 <MohammadAG> which raises a question
May 21 23:18:40 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, would a hub + two cables allow the N900 to flash itself?
May 21 23:18:47 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm
May 21 23:18:47 <MohammadAG> I kid i kid
May 21 23:18:56 <GeneralAntilles> I bet you could do it.
May 21 23:18:58 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Only if they are _really_ long
May 21 23:19:02 <DocScrutinizer51> lol
May 21 23:19:09 <GeneralAntilles> If you replaced NOLO, anyway. :P
May 21 23:19:11 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: You need the cables to be at least 60 light-seconds long.
May 21 23:19:49 <MohammadAG> that's like 60 metres ^ n?
May 21 23:20:03 <DocScrutinizer51> which isn't as tough as it might sound, given the wave speed in a cable
May 21 23:20:18 <MohammadAG> use the vbus boost
May 21 23:20:27 <MohammadAG> and raise voltage to 500V
May 21 23:20:40 <MohammadAG> if that doesn't work raise it a bit, 500MV
May 21 23:21:05 <DocScrutinizer51> but I see severe problems with the ACKs
May 21 23:21:24 <MohammadAG> comment out the driver
May 21 23:21:38 <DocScrutinizer51> be careful with the ACKs, Eugene
May 21 23:21:55 <pigeon> so, on the n900 is there a way to change the name of the network provider on the top of the screen? i keep seeing screenshots from people showing random strings
May 21 23:22:05 <SpeedEvil> pigeon: yes
May 21 23:22:15 <SpeedEvil> pigeon: It's in extras I think
May 21 23:22:24 <pigeon> ah ok , thanks.
May 21 23:22:28 <SpeedEvil> pigeon: carrier display applet?
May 21 23:22:31 <SpeedEvil> I forget the name.
May 21 23:22:32 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, on the N900?
May 21 23:22:35 <pigeon> i just googled but found nothing
May 21 23:22:52 <pigeon> ah, "carrier", or i searched for "network", probably bad choice of word...
May 21 23:23:20 <SpeedEvil> pigeon: Anyway - just enable all repos - go to 'all' - and scroll down the list looking for interesting stuff. :)
May 21 23:23:49 <pigeon> heh, yeah well, i normally just got apt-cache search ;)
May 21 23:23:59 <pigeon> s/got/go/
May 21 23:23:59 <infobot> pigeon meant: heh, yeah well, i normally just go apt-cache search ;)
May 21 23:24:15 <SpeedEvil> That works if people name stuff as you expect.
May 21 23:24:41 <pigeon> hehe
May 21 23:25:17 <SpeedEvil> hmm.
May 21 23:25:24 <pigeon> speaking of which, try apt-cache search . | grep insert ;)
May 21 23:25:29 <SpeedEvil> Where is powertop - I have the tools repo enabled - isn't it in there?
May 21 23:27:06 <pigeon> ah, custom-operator-name-applet and custom-operator-name-widget
May 21 23:27:15 <pigeon> thanks
May 21 23:28:41 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: nope
May 21 23:29:03 <DocScrutinizer51> seems you need to dl from 3rd party site
May 21 23:32:21 * bleeter finally has an n900
May 21 23:33:28 <SpeedEvil> Woo!
May 21 23:33:35 <cure`> gz
May 21 23:33:57 <bleeter> the nice sales person threw in a pair of BH-905 headphones with it for free :D
May 21 23:34:23 <bleeter> but the left ear's noise cancellation was not working so I am having to get them replaced :(
May 21 23:34:43 <Stskeeps> hence why it was free? ;p
May 21 23:34:48 <bleeter> :P
May 21 23:40:00 <Stskeeps> quim's relocating to US it seems
May 21 23:40:35 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, permanently?
May 21 23:40:49 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, interesting.
May 21 23:40:51 <GeneralAntilles> Well, that's nice
May 21 23:40:55 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: flors.wordpress.com
May 21 23:40:58 <GeneralAntilles> Real contact in a sane timezone. :P
May 21 23:43:14 <Stskeeps> i guess meego, if done right, allows a lot of people to not -have- to live in finland
May 21 23:43:15 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm, taken over by Intel?
May 21 23:43:18 <Stskeeps> nah
May 21 23:43:22 <Stskeeps> nokian still
May 21 23:44:15 <DocScrutinizer51> depends what is defining the membership to a group
May 21 23:44:30 <Stskeeps> merit, obviously
May 21 23:44:59 <DocScrutinizer51> mayne Nokia is taking over Intel XP
May 21 23:45:12 <pexi> nokia's evil plan for brain drain
May 21 23:45:15 <w00t_> o_O
May 21 23:45:35 <w00t_> it must be past midnight, the conspiracy theories are running thick
May 21 23:45:38 <w00t_> :-p
May 21 23:45:45 <Termana> :P
May 21 23:46:03 <Stskeeps> MeeGo obviously means 'MeeFlee Finland' ;)
May 21 23:49:16 <DocScrutinizer51> w00t_: that's nothing yet
May 21 23:50:16 <Termana> Anyone want some tonsillitis? Its killing me, I'll gladly give it away :P
May 21 23:51:45 * SpeedEvil extracts Termanas tonsils, and sells them on ebay.
May 21 23:53:41 * Xisdibik buys them for $1
May 21 23:54:39 <Termana> Mmm its possible I might have to have them removed. I'm going to see the doctor soon, I'm just hoping he gives me some medicine for it instead :P
May 21 23:56:23 <Xisdibik> goodluck
May 21 23:56:33 <Termana> Xisdibik, thanks :D
May 21 23:56:55 <Termana> Xisdibik, if I have to have them removed, I'll sell them to you for a dollar though ;) lol
May 21 23:57:00 <DocScrutinizer51> finally got rid of mine. better now
May 21 23:57:24 <Xisdibik> Termana: excellent, now I just need snot from a lizard, and eggs from satan.  and ill have me some immortality in a bottle
May 21 23:59:02 <DocScrutinizer51> sounds more like an iraq war weapon
May 21 23:59:48 <Xisdibik> nope, cant be, it doesnt say to strap it to myself before using
May 22 00:00:16 <Nadley> Hi,
May 22 00:00:25 <Xisdibik> hi
May 22 00:01:20 <Nadley> I've install the SDK has said here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation. Now how can I launch maemo to test it and start developing apps ?
May 22 00:01:46 <Xisdibik> that sounds like a Doc question to me :)
May 22 00:02:28 <Nadley> ok I'll try this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI is it good ?
May 22 00:09:51 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: fixed your 'ditry' bat contacts?
May 22 00:10:41 <SpeedEvil> sort-of.
May 22 00:10:44 <MohammadAG> bah, switched to wifi to ssh
May 22 00:11:47 <DocScrutinizer> contact spray?
May 22 00:12:20 <crashanddie> heh
May 22 00:12:25 <crashanddie> the google pacman thing was fun
May 22 00:13:32 <Nadley> I need help I can't start the SDK UI
May 22 00:15:33 <crashanddie> Nadley: we're going to need more than that
May 22 00:15:47 <Nadley> crashanddie: I know :D
May 22 00:15:48 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: something like that
May 22 00:15:51 <crashanddie> "doesn't work" isn't a valid error message
May 22 00:16:46 <Nadley> crashanddie: I trying to lauch by this way but I have nothing on the screen http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI
May 22 00:16:57 <Nadley> I'll pastbin the message
May 22 00:19:05 <Nadley> crashanddie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/437578/7
May 22 00:19:14 <Nadley> http://paste.ubuntu.com/437578/ sorry
May 22 00:19:54 <Nadley> and I had just a black screen on Xephyr
May 22 00:20:42 <crashanddie> Nadley: sorry, I don't use scratchbox, couldn't help you
May 22 00:20:51 <crashanddie> so feel free to ask the channel, rather than me specifically
May 22 00:20:53 <MohammadAG> line 67 says it all
May 22 00:21:12 <Nadley> crashanddie: Is there another solution than scratchbox ?
May 22 00:21:54 <Nadley> MohammadAG: what can I do for this error
May 22 00:22:41 <MohammadAG> upgrade RAM maybe?
May 22 00:22:44 <MohammadAG> not sure though
May 22 00:22:49 <MohammadAG> never happened to me
May 22 00:22:55 <yabbapappa> Ok, after re-flash I'm now reinstalling punch of apps and multiple of them gives me an error and said that it wont find python-gobject (=2.14.2-1maemo2)? (example fmms and freecell4maemo)
May 22 00:23:08 <MohammadAG> err?
May 22 00:23:27 <MohammadAG> don't tell me they borked that package too :S
May 22 00:23:31 <opdf2> anyone using TheOneRing? Does the format of the numbers dialed need to be +(CountryCode)(AreaCode)(7digit#)?
May 22 00:23:53 <Nadley> upgrade which RAM I had 4Gb
May 22 00:24:20 <yabbapappa> MohammadAG, I think it looks badly in that way then :/
May 22 00:25:05 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: may I suggest usbnet when you're doing a lot of ssh to the N900?
May 22 00:25:20 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: the speed difference is really amazing
May 22 00:26:35 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, used it once and never again lol
May 22 00:26:40 <crashanddie> why?
May 22 00:26:46 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: oh, what platform are you running?
May 22 00:26:53 <MohammadAG> it seems to cause normal ssh to break
May 22 00:27:00 <MohammadAG> Ubuntu
May 22 00:27:05 <crashanddie> meh, fail :P
May 22 00:27:10 <crashanddie> go buy yourself a mac
May 22 00:27:15 <MohammadAG> Debian didn't install
May 22 00:27:18 <MohammadAG> WHAT
May 22 00:27:49 <MohammadAG> mac's are overpriced and underpowered
May 22 00:28:22 <yabbapappa> Wohoo! I didn't delete my discworld! Thank god, I was worried.
May 22 00:29:11 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, you weren't serious were you? :)
May 22 00:29:37 <spturtle> how could you delete a turtle system?
May 22 00:29:39 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: 13" 2.6ghz, 4gb ram, 320gb HD, 10h battery, works for me
May 22 00:29:51 <MohammadAG> oh, laptops
May 22 00:29:53 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG, say that to my dual E5520. :P
May 22 00:30:13 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, my laptop's crap anyways
May 22 00:30:19 <MohammadAG> I use my i5 for compilation
May 22 00:30:30 <MohammadAG> then move to my laptop and sftp the file over
May 22 00:30:35 <DocScrutinizer> Nadley: I can't really help, but maybe mentioning which OS/distro/version you're running on your PC might ring a bell for someone here
May 22 00:30:50 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: I doubt you really need i5 power for compilation
May 22 00:30:59 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: unless you're compiling KDE 20 times a day :P
May 22 00:31:03 <Nadley> I'm running ubuntu 10.04
May 22 00:31:13 <DocScrutinizer> 32 or 64?
May 22 00:31:14 <crashanddie> Nadley: ah, doesn't work with 10.04
May 22 00:31:16 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, how much time did that custom kernel take you to compile?
May 22 00:31:19 <crashanddie> Nadley: go back to 9.10
May 22 00:31:22 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, but it does
May 22 00:31:28 <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk
May 22 00:31:29 <infobot> i guess maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
May 22 00:31:32 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: I only heard issues with it
May 22 00:31:32 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: maybe 15 minutes
May 22 00:31:35 <MohammadAG> 10.04 notes, follow them
May 22 00:31:46 <MohammadAG> see crashanddie, it tooks him 15 minutes
May 22 00:31:51 <MohammadAG> it took me 2 :)
May 22 00:31:59 <Nadley> crashanddie: ok thanks
May 22 00:32:12 <crashanddie> Nadley: ah, it seems to work
May 22 00:32:20 <MohammadAG> Nadley, follow the 10.04 notes, it should work
May 22 00:32:28 <crashanddie> Nadley: though you have to hack some stuff that "may reduce system security"
May 22 00:32:44 <MohammadAG> i quoted that from here
May 22 00:33:06 <Nadley> MohammadAG: I follow the notes but for the moment it is notes working maybe I forgot one I'll check
May 22 00:33:35 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: I'll probably get an iMac next (once I'm employed again, all that)
May 22 00:33:43 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, lemme list my badass laptop's specs
May 22 00:33:48 <MohammadAG> 1.7GHz centrino
May 22 00:33:51 <MohammadAG> 1GB RAM
May 22 00:33:55 <MohammadAG> 120GB HDD
May 22 00:34:09 <MohammadAG> 12.1" wacom digitized screen
May 22 00:34:19 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: even though I love my 13" mbp, I guess I'll want a proper desktop computer once I have to spend some time working
May 22 00:34:19 <MohammadAG> oh, and no optical media drive
May 22 00:34:31 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: how much d'you pay for that?
May 22 00:34:42 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, do I really have to say that?
May 22 00:34:45 <crashanddie> yeah
May 22 00:34:57 <MohammadAG> it's like, an insult in front of 499 users
May 22 00:35:03 <crashanddie> SAY IT
May 22 00:35:09 <MohammadAG> 2000 5 years ago
May 22 00:35:17 <crashanddie> 2000 wut?
May 22 00:35:22 <MohammadAG> $
May 22 00:35:26 <crashanddie> fair enough
May 22 00:35:38 <MohammadAG> err?
May 22 00:35:49 <MohammadAG> i can get an i5 laptop for 999 now
May 22 00:36:18 <MohammadAG> maegym delayed my package
May 22 00:36:19 <MohammadAG> grrr
May 22 00:36:20 <MohammadAG> :P
May 22 00:36:50 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, my i5 cost me 400 dollars to build, a Dell with the same specs was about 2000 :)
May 22 00:37:35 <crashanddie> I paid $1000 for a 2.2Ghz macbookpro, yada yada yada, upgraded the ram and HD
May 22 00:37:48 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: the whole "overpriced" thing is getting old :)
May 22 00:38:07 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, oh forgot to say
May 22 00:38:19 <MohammadAG> it came with a 40GB HDD and 512MBs RAM
May 22 00:38:26 <crashanddie> obviously
May 22 00:39:31 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: plus the OS is actually really good. It's like a proper OS that can run proprietary software, with open source goodness on top
May 22 00:40:02 <crashanddie> (outlook and office if your company requires it, but also openssh under the hood)
May 22 00:40:36 <MohammadAG> don't macs use openoffice.org?
May 22 00:42:18 <MohammadAG> i'm dead
May 22 00:42:49 <GeneralAntilles> Macs use Office, OpenOffice.org, Apple's office suite or just about anything else.
May 22 00:43:44 <MohammadAG> I suppose i can't use the SDK on a mac though :)
May 22 00:44:37 <SpeedEvil> Given that it's an x86 box, why can't you just run a vM?
May 22 00:45:03 <ohwhyme> you could just run osx86 :p
May 22 00:46:46 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, cause it would half the speed?
May 22 00:47:03 <MohammadAG> 0.5 was an estimate, it could be more or less
May 22 00:48:33 <MohammadAG> anyways
May 22 00:48:37 <MohammadAG> i'm off
May 22 00:48:42 <MohammadAG> night #maemo
May 22 01:01:18 <Nadley> see you guys thx
May 22 01:15:51 <Noma> is it possible to have a webcam picture as a wallpaper in n900? has anyone done an app or script for that?:)
May 22 01:16:17 <Noma> (no live picture of course, maybe 1h update freq or something)
May 22 01:21:53 <DocScrutinizer51> I think SpeedEvil had a script for something like that
May 22 01:22:31 <DocScrutinizer51> and then I heard of a weird thing called live wallpaper
May 22 01:22:48 <SpeedEvil> while true
May 22 01:22:48 <SpeedEvil> do;rm *png ;wget http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png
May 22 01:22:48 <SpeedEvil> gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png
May 22 01:22:48 <SpeedEvil> sleep 3600
May 22 01:22:48 <SpeedEvil> done
May 22 01:22:54 <SpeedEvil> something like that
May 22 01:23:21 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't cope with wallpapers with the wrong aspect, and just crops them though
May 22 01:23:59 <SpeedEvil> There is also a webcam viewer widget - but that's not fullscreen
May 22 01:33:14 <Noma> webcam viewer widget does not seem to work very well, it doesn't show any pictures and when i click it it just disappears
May 22 01:34:10 <DocScrutinizer51> W   T    F?!?!
May 22 01:34:49 <DocScrutinizer51> opened the glenrothes meteo card in browser
May 22 01:35:47 <DocScrutinizer51> while switching between fullscreen and windowed view, a white screen with fullsize blue NOKIA flashes up
May 22 01:37:35 <DocScrutinizer51> to be precise, it's during fullscreen->windowed transition, for maybe 0.2s
May 22 01:38:36 <ohwhyme> anyone here play with pcsx?
May 22 01:40:10 <SpeedEvil> odd
May 22 01:40:14 <SpeedEvil> never seen that
May 22 01:41:56 <DocScrutinizer51> console fb?
May 22 01:43:14 * Arkenoi wonders what is the percent of "active" n900 users (tmo + #maemo) who installed leakware. my patience is almost over too
May 22 01:45:33 <Arkenoi> w20 has ended and still no official update
May 22 01:45:55 <DocScrutinizer51> I feel with you
May 22 01:46:51 <DocScrutinizer51> it's starting to get ridiculous
May 22 01:52:46 <DocScrutinizer51> when was the incredible update in SDK + buildhoat?
May 22 01:52:55 <DocScrutinizer51> host even
May 22 01:55:16 <DocScrutinizer51> (which btw for the buildhost part I still fail to understand - who exactly needs the 1.2 depening app pkg versions in those repos? to do exactly what which isn't possible in a more sane way?)
May 22 02:02:25 <SpeedEvil> It would be sane if it was an option.
May 22 02:02:34 <SpeedEvil> To make sure your stuff worked when used on 1.2
May 22 02:03:09 <SpeedEvil> If it doesn't wotk with 1.1 - then that's broken - but I thought that had been fixed.
May 22 02:05:22 <DocScrutinizer51> yo make sure it works with 1.2 you would need a real N900 with that version, no?
May 22 02:09:02 <SpeedEvil> Maybe the reason is that there are 3980 developers under NDA, all releasing apps for 1.2.
May 22 02:14:16 <GAN900> lol
May 22 02:14:20 <DocScrutinizer51> boo ey, those must feel pissed by the ridiculous delay
May 22 02:14:53 <DangerMaus> sup
May 22 02:33:29 <yuizy_> can i update the background image from terminal?
May 22 02:36:26 <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.com/Spectacular-TIBERIUS-Tessera-Sprintia-/390187954119?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad903afc7
May 22 02:36:28 <SpeedEvil> err
May 22 02:36:30 <SpeedEvil> not that
May 22 02:36:36 <SpeedEvil> (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: while true
May 22 02:36:36 <SpeedEvil> (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: do;rm *png ;wget http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png
May 22 02:36:36 <SpeedEvil> (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png
May 22 02:36:36 <SpeedEvil> (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: sleep 3600
May 22 02:36:36 <SpeedEvil> (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: done
May 22 02:36:38 <SpeedEvil> that
May 22 02:36:45 <SpeedEvil> which seems to be the question of the night
May 22 02:46:17 <DocScrutinizer51> probably pacman fans
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