**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 24 02:59:57 2010
May 24 03:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> good night
May 24 03:08:05 <DocScrutinizer> and
May 24 03:08:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~hail javispedro
May 24 03:08:13 * infobot bows down to javispedro and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
May 24 04:06:51 <Funnyface> I wonder, what are the chances of getting android stuff to run on maemo?
May 24 04:08:28 <ham5> its another os what are the chances of gettin linux source to compile on windows
May 24 04:09:35 <microlith> Funnyface: slim to none, short of porting dalvik and whatnot over and massive modifications to the framebuffer stuff
May 24 04:09:36 <Funnyface> I know, but in this case both are linux
May 24 04:09:44 <microlith> Funnyface: Android is not Linux
May 24 04:10:13 <Funnyface> well it is, but I believe it is horribly modified? :>
May 24 04:10:45 <microlith> no, just that the kernel and environment outside that provided by Android is completely irrelevant in the android system
May 24 04:12:04 <Funnyface> alright, well I was thinking of something similar to "Easy debian" on maemo, just using android instead :p
May 24 04:12:14 <microlith> it wouldn't be anywhere near as straightforward
May 24 04:12:47 <microlith> first you have kernel modifications to apply, then the whole framebuffer/rendering rework
May 24 04:13:10 <microlith> easydebian works because maemo is a standard linux environment
May 24 04:13:52 <Funnyface> ok, well I was hoping that android would be kind of the same thing
May 24 04:14:15 <Funnyface> but my experience with android is limited to a buggy port I ran on a winmo device :p
May 24 04:14:23 <microlith> ha
May 24 04:15:29 <microlith> speaking of easy debian, I unchecked "let <whatever> manage the desktop" and now I have no clue where to re-enable it
May 24 04:18:25 <Funnyface> ah well, at least it's good that we have debian's repositories as well for our maemo devices :p
May 24 04:18:45 <microlith> yup
May 24 04:19:07 <Funnyface> (though I wouldn't mind having android's app database as well :p)
May 24 04:28:31 <RST38h> yahoo
May 24 04:29:17 <derf> mmoooooo00000000000000000oooo00000oooooooooooooooo0o0o
May 24 04:29:31 <RST38h> heya derf
May 24 04:33:16 <Termana> Funnyface, when DJ_Steve finishes porting Android over to the n900, you can run Android and then run Maemo and Debian apps inside of Android
May 24 04:35:39 <microlith> Termana: there's an X server for Android?
May 24 04:36:53 <Termana> microlith, you can chroot into Debian/Maemo from Android and start an X server within the chroot, and a VNC Server and then use an Android VNC client
May 24 04:37:02 <microlith> hmm
May 24 04:37:04 <microlith> I suppose that works
May 24 04:37:31 <Termana> microlith, confirmed working for other natively Android devices, I see no reason for it not to work in the n900 Android port :)
May 24 04:37:53 <microlith> well, I meant in the sense of having to work around android's proprietary framebuffer setup
May 24 04:37:59 <Termana> I'm not completely sure about Maemo apps etc. but Debian definitely.
May 24 04:38:55 <Termana> For starters, I think your using the wrong word there. Android's framebuffer setup is not proprietary.
May 24 04:39:03 <microlith> nothing but android uses it
May 24 04:39:27 <microlith> sure it's open source, but that doesn't make it not exclusive to android
May 24 04:40:30 <RST38h> Ah, fresh load of FUD on t.m.o!
May 24 04:40:31 <Termana> That doesn't make it PROPRIETARY
May 24 04:40:45 <microlith> Termana: proprietary does not have a single definition
May 24 04:41:42 <microlith> or rather, it does not exclusively refer to closed source software
May 24 04:41:55 <Stskeeps> open doesn't have a single definition either
May 24 04:41:56 <Stskeeps> :P
May 24 04:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> ~ff
May 24 04:42:45 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, ff is even in dutch, or fork&fsck, or or Android
May 24 04:43:22 <Termana> microlith, I'd be interested to see what definition your trying to use - AFAIK, when you talk about it being proprietary in the sense your trying to use it has to be covered by property rights such as patents and trade secrets
May 24 04:43:32 <microlith> no
May 24 04:43:42 <microlith> that's not the definition of proprietary
May 24 04:43:58 <microlith> my point is that in the whole of the Linux ecosystem, the setup Android is using is exclusive to Android
May 24 04:44:05 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict proprietary
May 24 04:44:09 <infobot> Dictionary 'proprietary' (1 of 8): \Pro*pri"e*ta*ry\, n.; pl. {Proprietaries}. [L. proprietarius: cf. F. propri['e]taire. See {Propriety}, and cf. {Proprietor}.] 1. A proprietor or owner; one who has exclusive title to a thing; one who possesses, or holds the title to, a thing in his own right. --Fuller. [1913 Webster] 2. A body proprietors, taken collectively. [1913 Webster] 3. (Eccl.) A monk who had reserved goods and effects to himself, ...
May 24 04:44:15 <Termana> microlith, read here http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proprietary - point to definition that fits for your purposes
May 24 04:44:37 <microlith> yay let's bitch about semantics and ignore the fact that Android does not use X11 like every other linux distribution
May 24 04:45:06 <DocScrutinizer> andoid is NO linux
May 24 04:45:15 <microlith> I know that
May 24 04:45:42 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, Thats misrepresenting things
May 24 04:45:48 <Termana> Android clearly is Linux
May 24 04:45:55 <microlith> Termana: it runs -on- linux
May 24 04:45:56 <Termana> It doesn't use a GNU stack
May 24 04:46:01 <microlith> it could just as well run on Symbian
May 24 04:47:02 <Termana> microlith, but it makes it *no less* LINUX. If it used the Symbian kernel you would say it uses the Symbian kernel, you don't call it not symbian.
May 24 04:47:07 <DocScrutinizer> it could neither run on linux nor on Symbian. It needs quite some tweaks in low level system stuff that renders it incompatible to any other system
May 24 04:48:38 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, If someone has forked the Linux kernel, hmm lets say... like Nokia has for instance. Is Maemo no longer running on Linux?
May 24 04:49:36 <DocScrutinizer> i'd say the kernel abi is so compatible we don't need to rewrite every single app we want to compile for maemo
May 24 04:49:42 <microlith> if you wanna get stallman level nitpicky, then the answer is "Android is not GNU/X11/GTK2/etc. Linux"
May 24 04:49:47 <DocScrutinizer> so for me maemo IS a linux
May 24 04:50:13 <ZogG_N900> hey
May 24 04:50:29 <ZogG_N900> so i have android update on laptop
May 24 04:50:29 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, you'll find Kernel ABI is left in tact. Busybox compiles fine for Android for example
May 24 04:50:45 <ZogG_N900> trying to find out where is flash in there?
May 24 04:50:55 <ZogG_N900> is it intigrated?
May 24 04:51:58 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: hmm, I can just repeat what I've heard as I never looked into that. And what I heard is porting device drivers *from* Android *to* a "normal" linux is a major PITA
May 24 04:52:19 <DocScrutinizer> as there are androidisms all over the place
May 24 04:52:41 <DocScrutinizer> wich are hard to adapt for a standard system
May 24 04:52:43 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, This last statement is an actually correct one.
May 24 04:52:46 <RST38h> which is unusual
May 24 04:53:01 <Termana> Drivers need to use Android's power management scheme, which is in the kernel
May 24 04:53:04 <RST38h> if Android uses a Linux kernel (and it does), why would it use non-linux drivers?
May 24 04:53:26 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, HOWEVER, Wakelocks or as they are now called Suspend Blockers HAVE made it mainline
May 24 04:53:43 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, So for the most part, the driver issue is gone
May 24 04:54:10 <DocScrutinizer> good, I'm always willing to change my notions
May 24 04:54:13 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, However, it is also good to note, an Android kernel will work fine with a standard GNU stack
May 24 04:54:23 <ZogG_N900> so is flash there are lib or something
May 24 04:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, night #maemo
May 24 04:55:20 <Termana> Good night Doc
May 24 04:55:48 <Termana> ZogG_N900, Maybe its better to ask in an Android channel? What laptop are you using that has Android on it?
May 24 04:56:00 <ZogG_N900> no
May 24 04:56:06 <ZogG_N900> i use ubuntu
May 24 04:56:19 <Termana> <ZogG_N900> so i have android update on laptop
May 24 04:56:34 <Termana> Maybe I misinterpreted this :P
May 24 04:56:58 <RST38h> Nokia's New York flagship store closes today
May 24 04:57:04 <ZogG_N900> yeah
May 24 04:57:05 <ZogG_N900> files
May 24 04:57:05 <ZogG_N900> i wanted to get flash out there for maemo )
May 24 04:57:05 <ZogG_N900> so i'm asking here
May 24 04:57:25 <microlith> android build probably won't work with maemo
May 24 04:57:57 <Termana> ZogG_N900, as microlith said, its very doubtful you will be able to simply transfer it straight over to Maemo
May 24 04:58:20 <ZogG_N900> anyway worth a try
May 24 04:58:31 <microlith> the terrible irony in this is that an N900 release would probably be easier
May 24 04:58:34 <ZogG_N900> can't find any libs anyway (
May 24 04:58:50 <Termana> Also, I don't know weather they built the flash player code into the browser app, or they have made it a plugin like normal
May 24 04:58:59 <microlith> plugin
May 24 04:59:33 <microlith> at least, if it's in the stock android drops
May 24 04:59:37 <ZogG_N900> still can't find
May 24 05:04:13 <Termana> ZogG_N900, do a full find and a grep inside the update for "flash"
May 24 05:04:28 <Termana> Assuming they named it something obvious and/or put the word flash in some readable file
May 24 05:15:11 <timeless_mbp> flash is a proper plugin on maemo
May 24 05:15:17 <timeless_mbp> minus the fact that it talks to os libraries
May 24 05:15:37 <timeless_mbp> you can use it w/ e.g. fennec if you configure fennec to use plugins
May 24 05:16:37 <Stskeeps> same plugin architecture?
May 24 05:18:28 <timeless_mbp> npapi = npapi = npapi
May 24 05:18:30 <timeless_mbp> usually
May 24 05:18:35 <timeless_mbp> except when it cheats
May 24 05:23:02 <Termana> timeless_mbp, I was actually talking about on Android, I suspected already that is was a plugin on Maemo :P
May 24 05:30:41 <manjiri> Hi guys.
May 24 05:30:58 <manjiri> Hw do I get harmattan UI framework on N900?
May 24 05:31:17 <manjiri> I am not able to compile it in my scratchbox either.
May 24 05:43:30 <timeless_mbp> oh
May 24 05:43:35 * timeless_mbp shrugs
May 24 05:43:42 <timeless_mbp> making it not a plugin would be incredibly stupid
May 24 06:00:06 <RST38h> OMG I can see Snake
May 24 06:03:52 <manjiri> Hi. How do I put maemo ui framework on N900? I am not able to compile it in my scratchbox either.
May 24 06:06:52 <mintux> is it possible to download google maps for gpxview and use offilne
May 24 06:06:52 <mintux> ?
May 24 06:15:15 <manjiri> Any body?
May 24 06:35:35 <mintux> I need google maps offline for gpxview are there any why?
May 24 06:40:59 <mintux> how to exit fullscreen in evince ?
May 24 06:54:55 <DocScrutinizer> ^enter?
May 24 07:04:41 <ZogG_N900> soooo
May 24 07:06:14 <ZogG_N900> does anyone know what the shazam or trackid use
May 24 07:06:31 <ZogG_N900> is it acoustic fingerprints
May 24 07:08:07 <ZogG_N900> cause as i understand picasa uses it too. but it needs more than 10 sec
May 24 07:15:31 <ZogG_N900> anyone
May 24 07:19:16 <wazd> seriously, who decided to put micro-usb port on the same side with phone speaker? :(
May 24 07:29:37 <Macer> damn i love my n900
May 24 07:33:53 <Unksi> wazd: just my thoughts... :D
May 24 07:34:09 <ZogG_N900> wazd ++
May 24 07:34:40 <plastun> Hello! How to hide title area in hildon.Dialog? dialog.set_tiltle('') makes title caption empty, but not hide this are :(
May 24 07:34:42 <zomg> If it was a bit smaller and worked in portrait mode it would be perfect ;)
May 24 07:46:17 <hrw> morning
May 24 07:46:42 <RST38h> morening
May 24 07:47:41 <wazd> RST38h: plastun: moarning :)
May 24 07:48:07 <wazd> hrw: moarning too :)
May 24 07:48:15 <plastun> wazd, morning!
May 24 07:49:01 <RST38h> wazd: How is suffering today?
May 24 07:49:31 <wazd> RST38h: downloaded 1st season of Fringe :)
May 24 07:49:57 <wazd> RST38h: pilot episode was pretty dramatic :D
May 24 07:51:34 <wazd> but seriously, charger on the top, what the hell...
May 24 07:51:45 <elstupidos> fringe is one of the best shows on right now imo..it gets crazy
May 24 07:51:56 <elstupidos> 2nd season just ended
May 24 07:52:01 <wazd> elstupidos: oh, don't spoil for god sake :D
May 24 07:52:06 <mece> it's cancelled.
May 24 07:52:12 <mece> no wait
May 24 07:52:13 <mece> sorry
May 24 07:52:18 <mece> that was flash forward.
May 24 07:52:20 <mece> nvr mind.
May 24 07:52:26 * wazd covers his ears and sings "nanananananana"
May 24 07:52:30 <elstupidos> fringe was picked for a third season hehe
May 24 07:52:37 <elstupidos> flashforward sucked
May 24 07:53:00 <wazd> new masterpiece from JJ Abrams - "FlashKernel"
May 24 07:55:04 <wazd> also, I don't get the point of all that OTA updates if they still come packed twice a year
May 24 07:55:41 <wazd> the whole thing was made to deliver quick fixes and improvements as I suppose
May 24 07:57:03 <crashanddie> elstupidos & mece: flash forward had one episode I absolutely loved, the one where they had to recap the whole of the first part of the season in one eppy. So the whole episode was in a kind of "previously on flash forward"-style. Scenes didn't last for more than 10 seconds, you had voiceovers to explain the holes in the story, it was absolutely bloody brilliant
May 24 07:57:33 <crashanddie> If only they'd done the whole show like that
May 24 07:57:51 <elstupidos> the show started quick..then it just kinda dragged
May 24 07:58:28 <akumar> Please any one suggest me how to Create Debian Packages for maemo5.
May 24 07:59:02 <akumar> I am flow step from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing
May 24 08:00:01 <crashanddie> They covered 6 months of pretty detailed life of a few dozen people, including initial premise, disruptive elements, and whatnot in less than 40 minutes, which kept me on the edge of my seat.
May 24 08:00:13 <achipa> crashanddie: sounds like http://www.angryalien.com to me
May 24 08:00:33 <crashanddie> elstupidos: the problem is that this kind of scenario is very dangerous. It's why Lost sucked (and still sucks) donkey balls
May 24 08:00:46 <akumar> but it only install the package, but not showing double-click-launch-icon.
May 24 08:00:53 <crashanddie> achipa: yeah, not too far fetched
May 24 08:01:00 <elstupidos> crashanddie: lol about to start watching 1st season of lost
May 24 08:01:09 <crashanddie> elstupidos: don't bother
May 24 08:01:14 <elstupidos> everyone tells me its good heh
May 24 08:01:21 <crashanddie> it's a piece of crap
May 24 08:01:32 <RST38h> wazd: Yea, Fringe is good
May 24 08:01:42 <RST38h> wazd: A bit eclectic but good
May 24 08:02:00 <Stskeeps> meh, it has spock, who cares if it's good ;)
May 24 08:02:40 <RST38h> wazd: The Symbian updates work the same way as Maemo updates - they get marinated for bigger half of the year, then released, stuff becomes broken, and it is time to start waiting for the next update
May 24 08:02:49 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Not any more, it does not
May 24 08:02:52 <elstupidos> the actor that plays walter bishop in fringe makes the while show..
May 24 08:02:59 <crashanddie> I expected a whole lot more, but it's just like JJ Abrams quirkyness. It seems brilliant, until you scratch the surface and you go "ooh, meh"
May 24 08:03:03 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Nimoy retired, so they promptly killed him last week
May 24 08:03:19 <elstupidos> wazd: CLOSE YOUR EYES!
May 24 08:03:39 <RST38h> crash <-- more or less correct, although it is still worth watching
May 24 08:03:54 <crashanddie> first season is OK
May 24 08:04:28 <crashanddie> after that, Seth McFarlane really summed it up: "List of things to never do in your life: Don't create a TV show about a bunch of people lost on an island if you don't know where you're going with it"
May 24 08:06:01 <crashanddie> he then continued "I'm obviously talking about Desperate Housewives. Terry Hatcher, you're a beautiful woman please grow old without the facial reworkings. You're only allowed to have an exosqueleton if you're a beetle"
May 24 08:06:23 <wazd> RST38h: well, the difference is that you need to reflash symbian phone each time
May 24 08:06:46 <wazd> RST38h: and that was the main advantage of OTA updates as I thought
May 24 08:11:33 <jacekowski> tekojo: can you accept counternotice in e-mail or do you want me to use snailmail?
May 24 08:12:49 <KA> ab[out]:
May 24 08:12:57 <KA> sorry
May 24 08:13:06 <mintux> I would like to replace two unusable character on physical keyboard by < and > characters (in english keyboard) . ho w can I do that ? is it possible ?
May 24 08:13:53 <hrw> mintux: wiki.maemo.org has something about remapping
May 24 08:14:03 <mintux> ok
May 24 08:16:29 <mece> I want pr1.2 to be released so I could unleash qlister upon the world... of maemo extras :)
May 24 08:18:26 <Wolfie> i'm imagining there are a few people waiting for their works done with the IDE being compatible with the actual users
May 24 08:19:59 * mintux is thinking about next nokia device with meego . if it doesn't work on n900 because he bought n900 just 1 week and new device is coming up 
May 24 08:22:39 <achipa> mintux: there is not a single platform where you will not wonder 1 week later about the upcoming devices
May 24 08:22:54 <achipa> unless your platform died, of course, in which case there is no upcoming device
May 24 08:23:05 <mintux> hmm
May 24 08:25:26 <mintux> how can I see my maemo version?
May 24 08:25:40 <achipa> settings->About
May 24 08:25:43 <jacekowski> have you tried google?
May 24 08:26:17 <mintux> ok
May 24 08:27:36 <SuRfDeMoN> Hi, Just wondering if anyone here has a O2 iPhone sim in their Nokia N900? any problems with data usage not coming out of your contracted data plan?
May 24 08:28:17 <mintux> I don't think so meego can install on n900 because meego build with nokia and intel together for support intel cpu too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo
May 24 08:29:36 <mintux> but I see a lot of links for install meego on n900 ingoogle
May 24 08:30:03 <Wolfie> mintux: well, maemo 5 does already support two architectures, ARMEL and x86...
May 24 08:30:06 <MohammadAG> without a GUI, so why do you care
May 24 08:30:29 <Wolfie> um, I mean ARM
May 24 08:31:14 <mintux> Wb MohammadAG
May 24 08:40:13 <achipa> mintux: the n900 is the reference ARM platform for MeeGo. If it doesn't install on that, it will not install on anything.
May 24 08:44:27 <mintux> hmm
May 24 09:13:41 <psycho_oreos> pardon my ignorance but are the PR1.2 stuff in the SDK repo? just wondering why there were packages held back when installing nokia-apps, etc.. i.e. in other words it should be safe to issue fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade?
May 24 09:14:04 <plastun> where I can find sources of File manager?
May 24 09:15:23 <MohammadAG> isn't it closed
May 24 09:16:12 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, yes you can do an apt-get dist-upgrade
May 24 09:16:17 <plastun> don't know exactly
May 24 09:16:23 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, cool, ta
May 24 09:17:01 <mintux> I compiled a c++ program on my pc ( hello world ) and move it to n900 but it said bash: ./a.out: cannot execute binary file I know my pc is x86 and n900 is ARM now the question is how can I compile software on my pc that work on n900 ( or work on both of them )
May 24 09:18:08 <BCMM> mintux: there is (at present) not a Linux binary format that works on multiple architechtures (apple has a format where two binaries are rolled into one file, however)
May 24 09:18:33 <mintux> BCMM: so how can I compile on pc that work on n900 ?
May 24 09:18:39 <inz> mintux, you can compile arm binaries using the scratchbox cross compilation thingmabob
May 24 09:18:43 <BCMM> mintux: you just use a "cross compiler"
May 24 09:18:48 <mintux> hmm
May 24 09:18:52 <Dima_Sharihin> BCMM, what reason of multi-platform compiling?
May 24 09:19:01 <BCMM> mintux: being, a compiler that runs on one architecture, but produces output for another
May 24 09:19:10 <BCMM> mintux: i believe there is an official SDK for this sort of thing
May 24 09:19:11 <Dima_Sharihin> BCMM, do you want to download 3/5 copies of app at time?
May 24 09:19:34 <BCMM> mintux: also makes sure stuff gets compiled against the correct version of libc and what have you
May 24 09:19:41 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: i don't really agree with it
May 24 09:19:57 <inz> mintux, see http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/
May 24 09:20:07 <mintux> scratchbox is in extra-dev ?
May 24 09:20:08 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: but apple did it so people could just ship one install file for powerpc and intel boxes
May 24 09:20:43 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: rather than try to explain to people that why they need different versions of things
May 24 09:20:45 <Dima_Sharihin> BCMM, yes. Apple makes IPhones - very expensive photo frames with call functions - too =)
May 24 09:21:19 <inz> Dima, and makes millions selling them ;)
May 24 09:21:26 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: i think it's about making sure users don't need to think about "technical details" like what kind of computer they bought
May 24 09:21:37 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: personally, i like thinking about technical details :)
May 24 09:21:52 <BCMM> inz: due to good advertising
May 24 09:21:56 <Dima_Sharihin> BCMM, Yeah, let's include platform detector into program downloader
May 24 09:22:24 <BCMM> plenty of people make millions selling boring fashion that's been done before
May 24 09:23:13 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: anyway, they called them universal binaries
May 24 09:23:37 <Dima_Sharihin> We can try cross-platform programming
May 24 09:23:56 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: it wasn't a completly brain-dead format; it was superiour to a tarball of several binaries in that that non-executable resources were not duplicated, i think
May 24 09:24:06 <BCMM> kinda a brain-dead concept though
May 24 09:24:07 <Dima_Sharihin> Something like .NET or Java(these examples are disasters)
May 24 09:24:34 <BCMM> recently, somebody has been agitating for ubuntu to do implement something like universal binaries :(
May 24 09:24:38 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: or bash :)
May 24 09:24:48 <Dima_Sharihin> BCMM, I think it is seems to be true. But libraries are "heavy" too
May 24 09:24:55 <Dima_Sharihin> =)
May 24 09:24:58 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: ?
May 24 09:26:19 <Dima_Sharihin> If we do not include duplicate files, size to download whatever will be large
May 24 09:27:01 <Dima_Sharihin> type du /usr/lib for example
May 24 09:27:25 <Dima_Sharihin> and increase this value in 4-5 times
May 24 09:27:28 <BCMM> mintux: anyway, it is basically much easier to compile for your own system, since it's easy for the build system to know what sort of processor and which version of various libs you have
May 24 09:27:52 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: not sure i understand
May 24 09:28:35 <Dima_Sharihin> BCMM, I'm sorry, my english is bad.
May 24 09:28:53 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: i don't know if we're still talking about the universal binary concept or not...
May 24 09:29:05 <Dima_Sharihin> For example, if we want to download "universal" distributive of linux...
May 24 09:29:15 <Dima_Sharihin> still =)
May 24 09:29:42 <Dima_Sharihin> typical size of x86 ubuntu disc is 700 MBytes
May 24 09:29:43 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: well, every distro i've seen  makes you choose install media appropriate for your system
May 24 09:30:14 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: the user-friendly ones will give you instructions on how to determine your architechture
May 24 09:30:27 <BCMM> which is no problem for me, really
May 24 09:30:45 <Dima_Sharihin> Yes. user-friendly installer do not ask your architecture
May 24 09:31:10 <Dima_Sharihin> It simply install necesseary version
May 24 09:31:26 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: for a linux distro, you've already chosen the arch before you do the install
May 24 09:31:58 <Dima_Sharihin> And on Apple?
May 24 09:32:09 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: dunno much about apple
May 24 09:32:26 <BCMM> never had any of their stuff other than an ipod
May 24 09:32:28 <BCMM> and that runs ipodlinux
May 24 09:32:56 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: but in general, they just ship universal binaries for applications
May 24 09:33:07 <BCMM> i don't see the problem in asking people what arch they use
May 24 09:33:17 <Dima_Sharihin> I'm too
May 24 09:33:22 <BCMM> i mean, you can expect somebody to know if they need the windows or mac version of software
May 24 09:33:45 <BCMM> and computers almost always make a big selling point of what sorta processor is in there
May 24 09:34:50 <Dima_Sharihin> Windows and Mac differs not only the processor architecture
May 24 09:35:00 <Dima_Sharihin> OS API differs too
May 24 09:35:24 <BCMM> Dima_Sharihin: my point is that, in general, people ought to know what kind of computer they have
May 24 09:35:46 <Dima_Sharihin> yes, of course
May 24 09:37:45 <Mobsan> Is it possible to find change logs on updates to N900 apps? ex: MSN (Pecan)
May 24 09:39:21 <merlin1991> Mobsan: I'm wondering that often too :D
May 24 09:39:53 <merlin1991> sometimes there is a changelog on the package page, but not in the case of pecan msn
May 24 09:40:37 <Mobsan> hmm :/
May 24 09:42:54 <auenf> rofl, phone didnt start charging immediately after i connected to power cable
May 24 09:43:21 <auenf> it was falling out of the wall
May 24 09:47:07 <loufoque_> finally got a N900 (been waiting for it for months), anything I need to do to benefit from community packages?
May 24 09:47:19 <Mobsan> found this: http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/wiki/ToDo ... i have to wait for 0.3.0 or later before "Multiple Points of Presence" will be enabled :(
May 24 09:47:30 <Stskeeps> loufoque_: upgrade to latest fw
May 24 09:48:18 <auenf> Stskeeps, from what i can see, ive got newer than the latest fw
May 24 09:48:19 <loufoque_> Stskeeps: can I do that with the phone itself?
May 24 09:48:31 <auenf> i can select 'English (Australia)'
May 24 09:48:33 <auenf> but its not PR1.2
May 24 09:48:35 <loufoque_> Stskeeps: or do I need to flash it from a PC somehow
May 24 09:48:49 <Stskeeps> loufoque_: it should offer itself as an upgrade after a little while
May 24 09:49:25 <Nils^> my scratchbox failes to compile a simple hello world c prog because it cannot find stdio.h . I think my scratchbox is set up correctly, but obviously it is not. Is there a certain package that does contain stdio.h and which is not included by default?
May 24 09:52:31 <ag0ny> hello everybody
May 24 09:52:44 <ag0ny> Is it possible to get ICQ running on Maemo 5 currently?
May 24 09:52:52 <Dima_Sharihin> О_о
May 24 09:52:56 <Dima_Sharihin> use Pidgin
May 24 09:53:08 <Dima_Sharihin> ICQ supported on Maemo 5 by the default
May 24 09:53:23 <ag0ny> I mean using the Conversations and so on
May 24 09:53:37 <Myrtti> ICQ protocol is updated so often that I'm not surprised if it breaks and doesn't work
May 24 09:54:04 <Dima_Sharihin> I think jabber(gtalk) is better. But ICQ is working too
May 24 09:54:23 * Dima_Sharihin using Pidgin on notebook. Almost the same, that installed on maemo
May 24 09:55:44 <mintux> what is usbcontrol package ?
May 24 09:56:16 <auenf> os2008 leftover?
May 24 09:58:27 <hrw> yes
May 24 09:59:08 <hrw> ag0ny: it is possible but not granted that always will work
May 24 09:59:13 <mintux> /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51  is map of physical keyboard ?
May 24 09:59:31 <hrw> yes
May 24 09:59:39 <Dima_Sharihin> and map of hardware keys of photo, +- vol etc
May 24 10:01:36 <crashanddie> ag0ny: install the pidgin protocols for conversations
May 24 10:01:42 <mintux> I just change euro sign to < and > on physical keyboard
May 24 10:02:11 <Dima_Sharihin> mintux, you can change arrow keys by the same way?
May 24 10:02:29 <ag0ny> Thanks. I just installed the protocolls, got an error during installation but then it worked...
May 24 10:02:30 <ag0ny> :)
May 24 10:03:41 <MohammadAG> Dima_Sharihin, yes
May 24 10:03:52 <Dima_Sharihin> zer gut
May 24 10:03:57 <MohammadAG> i have a pipe symbol mapped to one of them
May 24 10:04:18 <loufoque_> the time and date of my phone is wrong, shouldn't it be automatically set with NTP?
May 24 10:04:37 <MohammadAG> is it set to update automatically?
May 24 10:04:37 <wall[e]> i forget the way back to the usb host channel
May 24 10:04:41 <Dima_Sharihin> If more labels changed by softwate...
May 24 10:04:44 <wall[e]> it's a different machine
May 24 10:05:08 <wall[e]> may be good to put it on wiki
May 24 10:05:14 <merlin1991> when I set my phone to update automatically the time keeps beeing wrong :D
May 24 10:05:36 <MohammadAG> #maemo-hostmode-discussion
May 24 10:06:59 <lcuk> MohammadAG, have you seen the new channel #MohammadAG-is-special :p
May 24 10:07:25 <MohammadAG> i swear if that channel exists...
May 24 10:08:01 <loufoque_> merlin1991: there doesn't seem to be any NTP installed
May 24 10:08:13 <lcuk> :D
May 24 10:08:19 <crashanddie> loufoque_: erhm, I thought it used the phone network time
May 24 10:08:46 <loufoque_> crashanddie: that doesn't seem to work in any case
May 24 10:09:02 <frals> merlin1991: wrong how?
May 24 10:09:13 <frals> because thats the time your phone is getting from the phone network
May 24 10:09:37 <merlin1991> obviously not, because it's drifting off the right time the longer the phone runs
May 24 10:09:38 <loufoque_> frals: it says 07:15 thursday 1 january 2009
May 24 10:09:56 <loufoque_> frals: for the uk
May 24 10:10:23 <crashanddie> that's some drift right there
May 24 10:10:25 <Nils^> crashanddie: I'm so ashamed... there was a space in < stdio.h>
May 24 10:10:43 <frals> merlin1991: a thought is its updated whenever you reregister with the network - but i dunno
May 24 10:11:12 <merlin1991> well it kept beeing wrong when I restarted my device too
May 24 10:11:33 <merlin1991> atm I can't test because it's getting repaired :/
May 24 10:11:47 <frals> please elaborate on 'wrong' :p
May 24 10:12:48 <lcuk> frals, it doesnt work for everyone, anuary 2009 is often seen on test devices
May 24 10:13:15 <frals> cool
May 24 10:13:18 <crashanddie> lcuk: "lcuk left #mohammadag-is-special; (I am now alone in #mo...) wall[e] has joined #mohammadag-is-special; <wall[e]> dude.. get a life; wall[e] left #mohammadag-is-special
May 24 10:13:25 <frals> works fine for me on both of mine \o/
May 24 10:14:38 <merlin1992> after about 1 month using the device (not 1 month uptime though) the time was wrong by about 5 mins
May 24 10:15:14 <wall[e]> and now i am alone
May 24 10:23:02 <loufoque_> is there a way to make the device use NTP?
May 24 10:23:30 <jacekowski> depends on device
May 24 10:23:36 <jacekowski> n900?
May 24 10:23:38 <jacekowski> probably yes
May 24 10:23:44 <jaska> why not pull clock from gps?:)
May 24 10:23:52 <jacekowski> but it get's clock from gps and gsm
May 24 10:24:54 <loufoque_> because it's not working with gsm for some reason
May 24 10:25:23 <jacekowski> use gps then
May 24 10:26:30 <loufoque_> I can't sync with gps
May 24 10:26:33 <mintux> Dima_Sharihin:sorry I disconnected . no I don't know what should I do ? I just want change these blue characters  £ € by < > on physical keyboard
May 24 10:26:37 <loufoque_> I suppose I need to be outside for the first time?
May 24 10:28:05 <mintux> I installed maemo sdk but this window is in 18% while I started it http://img6.tinypic.info/files/wazswuleobu25au35cx0.png
May 24 10:30:32 <Dima_Sharihin> mintux, all correct ;)
May 24 10:30:58 <mintux> Dima_Sharihin: it takes too long time ?
May 24 10:31:00 <wall[e]> it took me 4 days to install sdk
May 24 10:31:13 <viliny_> 4 days?
May 24 10:31:20 <mintux> =-O
May 24 10:31:20 <wall[e]> yes, 4 days
May 24 10:31:23 <wall[e]> you can,
May 24 10:31:26 <mintux> how much the size ?
May 24 10:31:27 <wall[e]> download the deb
May 24 10:31:30 <wall[e]> and dpkg -i
May 24 10:31:35 <wall[e]> in 3/11
May 24 10:31:37 <Dima_Sharihin> mintux, no
May 24 10:31:50 <MohammadAG> took me 3 hours or so
May 24 10:31:52 <merlin1991> hm it took me 3 horus to install, 4days is a bit more
May 24 10:31:52 <viliny_> why are you installing sdk mintux?
May 24 10:31:58 <wall[e]> those packages in 3/11 the process to do that can be broken badly
May 24 10:32:07 <MohammadAG> now i have the packages on dvd, so it installs in 5 minutes
May 24 10:32:14 <wall[e]> and you sometimes have to solve thing manually
May 24 10:32:31 <wall[e]> coz it can be frozen badly
May 24 10:32:43 <wall[e]> strace can help you
May 24 10:32:50 <mintux> viliny_: for cross compiling or just compile a c++ that it can work on n900
May 24 10:32:56 <wall[e]> see if you stuck
May 24 10:33:18 <wall[e]> or ps auxww , check if apt http is working correctly
May 24 10:33:25 <wall[e]> the apt isn't problem
May 24 10:33:27 <mintux> wall[e]: what was your connection speed in KB?
May 24 10:33:28 <wall[e]> the wrapper are
May 24 10:33:36 <wall[e]> mintux, very bad connection
May 24 10:33:48 <wall[e]> it has been raining and thunders
May 24 10:33:51 <wall[e]> ip keeps changing
May 24 10:34:11 <wall[e]> on another box it took me half a day
May 24 10:34:44 <mintux> wall[e]: what the average your connection speed number . I want to compare with myself and determine how much does it take time
May 24 10:34:52 <wall[e]> after 3/11 life is happy
May 24 10:35:03 <wall[e]> 30k/sec
May 24 10:35:08 <MohammadAG> it's a 720-ish MB download
May 24 10:35:23 <wall[e]> it's thailand
May 24 10:35:27 <wall[e]> slowwww
May 24 10:35:36 <Nils^> Is there a trick to change file permissions on my n900? I can't change any file nor make it executable (chmod 777 foo.bar or chmod a+x foo.bar). I've tried with root@ssh and sudo gainroot on my n900 directly.
May 24 10:35:48 <mintux> and what is total of size ? 720 MB ?
May 24 10:35:57 <wall[e]> Nils^, on vfat partition?
May 24 10:36:03 <corecode_> oh btw power statistic
May 24 10:36:07 <MohammadAG> Nils^, chmod works, move out of mydocs
May 24 10:36:19 <corecode_> phone in offline mode stays online very long
May 24 10:36:22 <corecode_> probably a week or so
May 24 10:36:23 <MohammadAG> mintux, 720-ish
May 24 10:36:32 <MohammadAG> not sure of the exact size
May 24 10:37:09 <wall[e]> oh, and the rootstrap downloading part is horrible too
May 24 10:37:22 <wall[e]> it locked me out completely
May 24 10:37:34 <viliny_> what does the sdk need as a platform to install?
May 24 10:37:38 <wall[e]> must download the file manually as well
May 24 10:37:41 <Dima_Sharihin> wall[e], how fast you inet connection?
May 24 10:37:47 <viliny_> last i checked there was a vm but that wasn't free
May 24 10:37:52 <wall[e]> Dima_Sharihin, 20-30k/sec
May 24 10:37:53 <MohammadAG> apparently not a lot
May 24 10:37:56 <viliny_> using vbox myself
May 24 10:38:18 * Dima_Sharihin seems to be happy with 50kb/sec
May 24 10:38:24 <mintux> I disconnected a lot I don't my message come in channel or not but I repeat it again I don't know what should I do ? I just want change these blue characters  £ € by < > on physical keyboard for programing . and I don't how to edit keyboard map files . are there any body did it before . share his files with me ?
May 24 10:38:33 <wall[e]> Dima_Sharihin, speed isn't the problem
May 24 10:38:48 <wall[e]> as i said on another box it took me like 5-6 h
May 24 10:39:33 <Dima_Sharihin> I noticed, that nokia maemo sdk fileserver is very stupid and slow
May 24 10:40:06 <viliny_> sorry to be a google dumbass but has anyone got a good sdk getting started guide?
May 24 10:40:21 <viliny_> id imagine someone involved would know the best one off the bat
May 24 10:40:37 <psycho_oreos> viliny_, vmware player and vmware server are free, vmware workstation however isn't
May 24 10:44:53 <viliny_> psycho_oreos: what are the roles of player and server again?
May 24 10:45:09 <viliny_> player some sort of citrix like remote desktop?
May 24 10:46:03 <psycho_oreos> viliny_, no, it allows you to run vmware images but not edit them, vmware server basically has almost all the features of the vmware workstation except that its mostly web driven and lacks extra perks likes directx acceleration, etc
May 24 10:47:40 <merlin1991> hm I'm not able to find the vm images, from everywhere I get linked to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
May 24 10:48:00 <Nils^>  wall[e] MohammadAG it was in mydocs, yes.
May 24 10:48:06 <mintux> nobody works < > in programing . it's very need in most of language it's too hard press ctrl+alt together and type it . how can I change < > by £ €  on keyboard
May 24 10:48:20 <viliny_> so basicly i could run the server and be happy with it?
May 24 10:48:22 <psycho_oreos> merlin1991, you press the green rectangle box to agree
May 24 10:48:22 <wall[e]> Nils^, vfat can't store many thing
May 24 10:48:51 <psycho_oreos> viliny_, if you want to make changes to the .vmx file easily, yes.. but like I said its mostly web driven.. for administration that is
May 24 10:49:00 <merlin1991> psycho_oreos errm I'm not that dumb :), the problem is I can't find it on the page you get then or is it the maemodoc-toolchain_0.2.6.tar.gz?
May 24 10:49:07 <Nils^> wall[e]: MyDocs is the vfat partition?
May 24 10:49:09 <viliny_> web driven... how exactly can it be web driven?
May 24 10:49:10 <wall[e]> Nils^, it's for windows
May 24 10:49:12 <MohammadAG> yes
May 24 10:49:19 <wall[e]> for exporting/importing files
May 24 10:49:25 <wall[e]> between mac/win etc
May 24 10:49:36 <MohammadAG> in short, yes
May 24 10:49:39 <wall[e]> vfat is poppupar coz it is simple
May 24 10:49:49 <MohammadAG> no need to write a paragraph m8 :P
May 24 10:49:57 <psycho_oreos> merlin1991, the page for downloads is after you click the agree button, I don't think the site allows you to hotlink
May 24 10:49:57 <wall[e]> haha
May 24 10:49:58 <Nils^> wall[e]: but isn't this the space where all the GB are free for binary files?
May 24 10:50:02 <MohammadAG> vfat is popular cause ntfs is closed
May 24 10:50:16 <MohammadAG> and windows doesn't use ext3
May 24 10:50:23 <MohammadAG> or ext2
May 24 10:50:23 <psycho_oreos> viliny_, for remote administration, like configuring the virtual machines.. the base engine and stuff aren't web driven
May 24 10:50:25 <MohammadAG> or 4
May 24 10:50:28 <MohammadAG> bah
May 24 10:50:34 <wall[e]> Nils^, i format mine so vfat now is only 13 GB
May 24 10:50:49 <viliny_> psycho_oreos: but i still get a window with the desktop... right?
May 24 10:50:51 <wall[e]> er repatition
May 24 10:51:03 <psycho_oreos> viliny_, put it this way, imagine running virtualbox GUI inside the web browser.. the main engine and all aren't running from within the browser, just the GUI for managing it
May 24 10:51:13 <psycho_oreos> viliny_, I believe so yes
May 24 10:51:20 <viliny_> ah okay, weird but i get it
May 24 10:51:58 <auenf> merlin1991, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
May 24 10:51:59 <merlin1991> psycho_oreos I did click the agree button, but I can't find the sdk image on the page you get then, there's a bunch of version of the flasher tool some diablo usbnet patch but I can't see the desktop vm image there
May 24 10:52:14 <Nils^> Yeah! I got my first own app crosscompiled and running on my n900. Now the terminal shows a very beautiful "Hello World" to me :)
May 24 10:53:00 <psycho_oreos> merlin1991, hmm wrong area, whoops, look at what auenf said
May 24 10:53:18 <Dima_Sharihin> Nils^, well done, take some candy :P
May 24 10:53:22 <akumar> Please any one suggest me how to Create Debian Packages for maemo5.
May 24 10:53:22 <akumar> I am flow step from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing
May 24 10:53:22 <akumar> But it is only install the package, but not showing double-click-launch-icon.
May 24 10:53:38 <wall[e]> if you wnat to do 3d game for the next days and need 3d graphcs tell me
May 24 10:54:11 <MohammadAG> akumar, you need to make a .desktop file
May 24 10:55:06 <akumar> MohammadAG: how and where to make .desktop file
May 24 10:55:14 <merlin1991> following http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Image_Tutorial/Installation#Image_installation I should get a vmware image that has everything I need on that page
May 24 10:55:18 <MohammadAG> instructions in the wiki
May 24 10:55:35 <merlin1991> but there is none
May 24 10:56:22 <wall[e]> anyone boot a pc with n900?
May 24 10:56:28 <auenf> merlin1991, you went to the wrong part of the link i gave you
May 24 10:56:39 <auenf> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_non-Linux_operating_systems
May 24 10:56:49 <mintux> what the name of these characters: < >
May 24 10:56:58 <wall[e]> less and more
May 24 10:57:08 <loufoque_> what is best, maemo browser or firefox?
May 24 10:57:08 <auenf> &gt; &lt;
May 24 10:57:18 <Dima_Sharihin> loufoque_, chrome :)
May 24 10:57:25 <mintux> hmm
May 24 10:57:33 <loufoque_> on maemo....
May 24 10:57:34 <wall[e]> chrome isn't usable for me
May 24 10:57:40 <mintux> and £ € ?
May 24 10:57:44 <loufoque_> chrome doesn't run on maemo
May 24 10:57:46 <wall[e]> pound and euro
May 24 10:57:49 <MohammadAG> loufoque_, chrome is available on maemo
May 24 10:57:49 <Dima_Sharihin> pound and euro
May 24 10:57:51 <mintux> great
May 24 10:57:52 <Mobsan> loufoque_: opera
May 24 10:57:53 <MohammadAG> it's in the repos
May 24 10:57:58 <loufoque_> you're sure it's not chromium?
May 24 10:57:58 <wall[e]> chrome runs on mamemo
May 24 10:58:05 <Dima_Sharihin> loufoque_, google it
May 24 10:58:05 <MohammadAG> umm, it's the same..
May 24 10:58:11 <loufoque_> no it's not
May 24 10:58:12 <MohammadAG> chrome is just google's name
May 24 10:58:13 <MohammadAG> yes
May 24 10:58:20 <MohammadAG> it is the same
May 24 10:58:32 <MohammadAG> iceweasel = firefox with debian changes
May 24 10:58:43 <MohammadAG> chromium = chrome - google crap
May 24 10:59:51 <merlin1991> auenf I came from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation and to the  "Maemo SDK Virtual Image Tutorial" but even  on the page you linked there is a link to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php and there is not a single vm image as far as I see
May 24 11:01:45 <merlin1991> or am I missing something? http://merlin1991.me.funpic.de/where.png
May 24 11:02:11 <mintux> how can I set SOCKS proxy for browser ?
May 24 11:03:04 <auenf> merlin1991, try this one instead
May 24 11:03:11 <auenf> seems the other one is mia
May 24 11:03:36 <merlin1991> and this one is?
May 24 11:03:56 <auenf> iirc, this one is a pre-configured ubuntu vm where you'll have to run the scripts to create the scratchbox/sdk
May 24 11:03:56 <auenf> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/vpc-sdk/
May 24 11:04:46 <auenf> you can run it in virtualbox iirc
May 24 11:05:35 <merlin1991> maybe we should update the wiki and put a link dead notice?
May 24 11:06:51 <auenf> well, somewhere there will be a reason why its not on the nokia site
May 24 11:07:37 <loufoque_> how do you enable those repos to get opera or chrome
May 24 11:07:57 <mintux> I open  /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51  how can I find less and more characters ? I would replace by sterling and EuroSign  . I found this http://codepad.org/yXYDKg3T is it correct part to edit ? (at the end of that file ) so I should replace sterling and EuroSign but what should I put for < and >
May 24 11:08:35 <auenf> loufoque_, surfing to the opera site there would be a 'direct install' linke that will install opera and the repository for it (iirc)
May 24 11:09:08 <mintux> it's less an more ?
May 24 11:09:13 <Nils^> If I compile a normal program in scratchbox with ./configure --prefix=usr && make  is the next step "fakeroot make install" or just make install?
May 24 11:11:26 <wall[e]> do you have xev in maemo?
May 24 11:11:49 <wall[e]> you can check for charcode
May 24 11:12:24 <wall[e]> you should be able to...
May 24 11:12:43 <wall[e]> set DISPLAY to maemo and xev onto it
May 24 11:12:58 * wall[e] tries
May 24 11:14:29 <wall[e]> strange i can only track mouse event
May 24 11:14:30 <auenf> merlin1991, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53145
May 24 11:16:03 <auenf> or merlin1992 ;)
May 24 11:16:12 <wall[e]> anyway to track keyboard event with xinput?
May 24 11:16:24 <wall[e]> or may be i should try xev with window id
May 24 11:17:43 <odin_> Nils^, it is "--prefix=/usr" slash at start can be important
May 24 11:17:55 <wall[e]> hmm xev win won't get focus
May 24 11:18:11 <wall[e]> ok, try -id
May 24 11:18:40 <odin_> Nils^, what is the package ?  normally if you are compling your own stuff, you don't specify --prefix and end up with it in /usr/local which is the correct place for unmanaged self-installed stuff
May 24 11:19:12 <wall[e]> ok, this is how i set it
May 24 11:19:17 <odin_> Nils^, just setup ld.so.conf to look in /usr/local/lib and add /usr/local/bin (and possible /usr/local/sbin) to your $PATH and away you go
May 24 11:19:54 <wall[e]> leave xterminal open, ssh to n900->ssh -X to box, run xwininfo and click on xterminal in n900 to get window id
May 24 11:20:04 <wall[e]> then xev -id the id you got
May 24 11:20:42 <wall[e]> hmm i can only track atom changed, nm
May 24 11:21:09 <Nils^> odin_: I'm compiling the jack audio connection kit right now.
May 24 11:21:58 <wall[e]> ok, just use xterm on local box instead and works
May 24 11:22:00 <odin_> Nils^, for sbox ?  I wouldn't know about how it might work under sbox
May 24 11:22:24 <wall[e]> get all keycodes
May 24 11:22:28 <Nils^> odin_: I'm just compiling it in sbox. Thats needed before running on the n900, right?
May 24 11:22:45 <wall[e]> mintux, try
May 24 11:22:56 <Nils^> odin_: well.. it does not run on sbox because FATAL: cannot locate cpu MHz in /proc/cpuinfo
May 24 11:23:01 <odin_> Nils^, yes sbox when setup correctly, will output executable that run both under sbox (due to QEMU) and on the N900 natively
May 24 11:24:01 <Nils^> odin_: at least my hello world ran onthe n900 natively right now :)
May 24 11:25:00 <odin_> Nils^, the N900 does not have "cpu MHz" only "BogoMIPS" maybe you can override an environment var, run the ./configure outside sbox and check the config.log/config.make for the value is needs
May 24 11:26:04 <Nils^> odin_: ok, maybe I'll contact the JACK devs, too.
May 24 11:26:34 <odin_> Nils^, well they probably don't have an N900 to help you, you need to work out what ./configure wants to know from debugging the configure script
May 24 11:27:21 <mintux>  in this line why ampersand repeat twice ? what does that mean ?  key <AC08>	{ [	k,		K,		ampersand,	ampersand	] };
May 24 11:28:13 <Nils^> odin_: I am not sure why configure. Configure does not test for cpu mhz, its the succesfully compiled binary that crashes
May 24 11:29:12 <odin_> Nils^, crashes or exits not liking the environment ?  sent the devs a copy of "uname -a" and "/proc/cpuinfo" from the N900 or better patch it yourself to make it work
May 24 11:29:58 <Nils^> odin_: it starts with the copyright message and then ends with  FATAL: cannot locate cpu MHz in /proc/cpuinfo
May 24 11:30:24 <odin_> Nils^, sounds like it just exits not liking the environment
May 24 11:30:39 <wall[e]> i think, a dance doll for n900 would be nice
May 24 11:30:42 <wall[e]> while playing music
May 24 11:31:05 <jacekowski> Nils^: what are you trying to compile?
May 24 11:31:37 <Nils^> jacekowski: JACK audio connection kit.
May 24 11:31:37 <wall[e]> mintux, it means..
May 24 11:32:02 <wall[e]> that in its mode, it will echo both no matter if shift is pressed or not
May 24 11:32:10 <jacekowski> Nils^: what version?
May 24 11:32:16 <Nils^> jacekowski: 0.118
May 24 11:33:10 <Nils^> odin_: and how can I create an enviroment that JACK likes?
May 24 11:33:23 <Nils^> odin_: this is just a question to figure out what you mean.
May 24 11:34:27 <jacekowski> Nils^: works for me
May 24 11:34:27 <odin_> Nils^, well I guess JACK might presume certain information is in /proc/cpuinfo to optimize itself at runtime (maybe for jitter/wake-sleep) based on CPU speed
May 24 11:34:41 <jacekowski> Nils^: at keast when i'm compiling in scratchbox
May 24 11:34:42 <odin_> jacekowski, works in sbox or on N900 ?
May 24 11:35:01 <odin_> jacekowski, I believe Nils^ issue is runtime parsing of /proc/cpuinfo
May 24 11:35:06 <Nils^> jacekowski: the compilation works. Try to run it: jackd -d alsa
May 24 11:35:18 <jacekowski> sbox
May 24 11:36:02 <jacekowski> hmm
May 24 11:37:45 <mintux> wall[e]: hmm. is it possible to put brackets for that ?
May 24 11:37:45 <mintux> wall[e]: mean shift+Fn type bracket
May 24 11:37:45 <mintux> I did try but didn't work
May 24 11:38:10 <jacekowski> remove that from code
May 24 11:38:43 <wall[e]> to replaece ambersand ?
May 24 11:38:51 <wall[e]> did you re-set xkbmap?
May 24 11:39:00 <Nils^> jacekowski: "hmm".. exactly
May 24 11:39:11 <wall[e]> man setxkbmap
May 24 11:40:27 <jacekowski> Nils^: config/os/gnu-linux/time.c
May 24 11:40:28 <Nils^> odin_: jacekowski: I just got the message that MIPS is already in in JACK for arm and others.
May 24 11:40:34 <Nils^> #else /* MIPS, ARM, alpha */
May 24 11:40:34 <Nils^> (13:38) ( petern_) ,...,...ret = sscanf(buf, "BogoMIPS        : %" SCNu64, &mhz);
May 24 11:41:30 <odin_> Nils^, so check the code yourself?  check the version you have is the same, and the devels are not referring to something in SCM/GIT/SVN/CVS
May 24 11:41:51 <jacekowski> Nils^: have you tried it on n900?
May 24 11:42:08 <Nils^> jacekowski: no, not yet. only sbox
May 24 11:43:09 <mintux> wall[e]:is it possible to assign brackets for left and right key + alt  . the code is: key <LEFT>	{ type[Group1] = "ONE_LEVEL", symbols[Group1] = [	Left	] };  how can I edit that ?
May 24 11:43:16 <mintux> or +FN
May 24 11:43:31 <odin_> Nils^, well sbox might not have a proper /proc layout
May 24 11:43:55 <odin_> Nils^, looks like it does but it is under QEMU
May 24 11:44:22 <Nils^> odin_: jacekowski: ok, so I have to try it on the real device
May 24 11:44:49 <odin_> Nils^, well I would before complaining, as sbox+QEMU is not perfect emulation
May 24 11:45:19 <loufoque_> I don't really get how one is supposed to do the zoom gesture in the browser
May 24 11:45:24 <loufoque_> I need both hands to do this
May 24 11:46:17 <wall[e]> mintux, you know [] are accessible to alt-sym right?
May 24 11:46:42 <wall[e]> s/to/through/
May 24 11:46:43 <infobot> wall[e] meant: mintux, you know [] are accessible through alt-sym right?
May 24 11:46:59 <mintux> im sorry
May 24 11:47:03 <mintux> fn+left
May 24 11:47:07 <mintux> is it possible ?
May 24 11:47:19 <wall[e]> yes
May 24 11:47:19 <mintux> fn+left type left bracket
May 24 11:47:33 <mintux> so how should I change that code ?
May 24 11:47:37 <wall[e]> do you need them that often btw?
May 24 11:47:47 <mintux> yes in programing I need that
May 24 11:47:50 <wall[e]> a couple files
May 24 11:48:11 <wall[e]> yes but you can alt+sym to type them, you know that right?
May 24 11:48:14 <wall[e]> just checking
May 24 11:48:38 <wall[e]> that it will pop up a window so you can type them
May 24 11:49:00 <wall[e]> if you program in x terminal, you can just have them on the bottom toolbar
May 24 11:49:13 <wall[e]> i am not in mood to look into xkb atm
May 24 11:49:27 <mintux> it's very hard to take alt+sym together my finger is big and if I want to use it my keyboard damage soon it's very hard to work
May 24 11:49:27 <mintux> in this file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 at the end of file
May 24 11:49:29 <wall[e]> busy with something so i think may be you could find xkb doc yourself
May 24 11:49:35 <mintux> we have key <LEFT>	{ type[Group1] = "ONE_LEVEL", symbols[Group1] = [	Left	] };  and key <RGHT>	{ type[Group1] = "ONE_LEVEL", symbols[Group1] = [	Right	] };
May 24 11:49:37 <wall[e]> i believe you need more than one file
May 24 11:49:42 <wall[e]> brb
May 24 11:49:45 <mintux> hmm
May 24 11:50:11 <mintux> I found it I think
May 24 11:51:24 <wall[e]> mintux, you can btw, press alt, leave , press sym
May 24 11:51:35 <wall[e]> no need to press them together
May 24 11:53:42 <mintux> ok
May 24 11:53:57 <mintux> wow
May 24 11:53:58 <mintux> worked
May 24 11:59:55 <Chiku> lol PR1.2 stil not released yet
May 24 12:01:11 <Chiku> too much critical bugs or no care about customers
May 24 12:01:33 <viliny_> any math freaks here want to help me with a equation? :)
May 24 12:02:14 <Chiku> 0+0 = la tete a toto :)
May 24 12:03:42 <crashanddie> viliny_: shoot
May 24 12:03:49 <crashanddie> Chiku: that is so not funny
May 24 12:03:58 <Chiku> http://nourryan.perso.cegetel.net/images/toto.jpg
May 24 12:04:14 <crashanddie> Chiku: except that on IRC, it's 0.0
May 24 12:04:50 <crashanddie> or maybe you didn't reach the grade where they stop using x and start using .?
May 24 12:06:01 <mintux> /home/user/MyDocs is 32GB vfat ?
May 24 12:06:21 <crashanddie> mintux: something like that, yeah
May 24 12:06:22 <louigiverona> hey guys! is there any way to configure the standard N900 browser to not load images?
May 24 12:06:42 <viliny_> mintux: i have seen  you ask that questions many times here, have you not gotten an answer that satisfies you yet?
May 24 12:06:43 <mintux>  louigiverona: adujst view in browser setting
May 24 12:06:45 <talonz> 27 gigs mintux
May 24 12:07:32 <Appiah> mintux: yes it is
May 24 12:07:57 <mintux> viliny_: yes I got it but something confused me . in /media/mmc1/ (that is 27Gib) are some files but the contents of /home/user/MyDocs is completely different
May 24 12:08:16 <louigiverona> mintux: how can i reach those settings. cannot seem to find them
May 24 12:08:36 <mintux> louigiverona: press top of browser to see setting button
May 24 12:09:13 <viliny_> crashanddie: http://img6.tinypic.info/files/wazswuleobu25au35cx0.png
May 24 12:09:18 <viliny_> sorry, that was wrong paste
May 24 12:09:32 <crashanddie> and?
May 24 12:09:35 <crashanddie> hmm
May 24 12:09:47 <viliny_> that was actually mintux earlier url... damn this copy pasting in virtualbox - what i ment was http://era.daug.net/prob.jpg
May 24 12:09:58 <mintux> viliny_: please see this http://codepad.org/ktks0NTt
May 24 12:09:59 <louigiverona> mintux: that's the problem, there are no settings there, just import bookmarks, open file, add
May 24 12:10:08 <crashanddie> viliny_: and?
May 24 12:10:28 <crashanddie> viliny_: what's the thing on the right?
May 24 12:10:30 <viliny_> i shot as you asked :)
May 24 12:10:42 <crashanddie> a = -3/4 and b = 3?
May 24 12:10:42 <viliny_> it's what a and b are
May 24 12:10:53 <viliny_> yes, i took out the explanation as they were in finnish
May 24 12:10:54 <crashanddie> viliny_: just making sure because of the "ja"
May 24 12:11:03 <viliny_> ah that got left there
May 24 12:11:09 <viliny_> means and in finnish
May 24 12:12:18 <mintux> now I delete some files now see http://codepad.org/Mt8yfFUJ
May 24 12:13:26 <mintux> let me see your iamge
May 24 12:14:10 <louigiverona> mintux: found it )
May 24 12:14:11 <mintux> viliny_:it's that reason the contents of /media/mmc1/  and /home/user/MyDocs/  are different ?
May 24 12:15:07 <crashanddie> viliny_: the answer is -1
May 24 12:15:23 <viliny_> mintux: i had your url in clipboard because i had to copy it off and paste it outside this virtual machine to see it, im not actually working on your problem right now . sorry if that was misleading
May 24 12:15:37 <viliny_> crashanddie: thats correct, is there any easy way you could show me how you did it?
May 24 12:15:40 <mintux> what's I mmc1 exactly ?
May 24 12:15:56 <mintux> in /media ?
May 24 12:16:21 <viliny_> mintux: stop your trolling seriously, last time you went on about this for a good while everyone was trying to tell you that /media/mmc1 is where the memory card is mounted and you didn't have a memory card to begin with
May 24 12:16:36 <viliny_> mydocs and mmc1 are not the same location
May 24 12:16:38 <crashanddie> viliny_: off the top of my head really, you didn't ask me anything, just showed me a formula, and no variables are unknown, so it's not even an equation
May 24 12:16:39 <viliny_> i don't know where you got this from
May 24 12:16:42 <mintux> oh
May 24 12:16:44 <mintux> I taked mistake
May 24 12:17:09 <mintux> I thought /media/mcc1 is 32GB
May 24 12:17:13 <mintux> but it's root
May 24 12:17:29 <viliny_> crashanddie: alright, you see, i suck at math and im trying to refresh the basics and i'd like to see how thats solved since im having some trouble with it
May 24 12:17:35 <mintux> and it the reason of my rootfs is full
May 24 12:17:59 <mintux> hmm
May 24 12:18:02 <MohammadAG_> Linux fedora-arm 2.6.28-omap1 #2 PREEMPT Sat May 22 21:10:23 IDT 2010 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
May 24 12:18:02 <MohammadAG_> \o/
May 24 12:18:06 <mintux> im so sorry
May 24 12:18:43 <mintux> MohammadAG_: what did you do ? boot fedora on n900 ?
May 24 12:18:55 <viliny_> mintux: you shouldn't put stuff in mmc1 if you don't have a memory card. The location is your memory card only when you have the card in and at other times it's your rootfs
May 24 12:18:59 <crashanddie> viliny_: 1/a-1/b+(2 (a+b))/(a b) = sum_(n=-1infinity)^infinitypiecewise1 | n = -1
May 24 12:18:59 <crashanddie> 1/b | n = 0 a^n
May 24 12:19:02 <viliny_> you should move content away from there
May 24 12:19:12 <MohammadAG_> mintux yeah
May 24 12:19:18 <mintux> I solved it
May 24 12:19:26 <MohammadAG_> thanks to b-man yesterday :)
May 24 12:20:08 <viliny_> crashanddie: okay, i can't decipher that
May 24 12:20:27 <mintux> MohammadAG_: I compiled c++ on debian chroot but the output doesn't run on My pc because the cpu is different and it's run on xterminal also . just run it on debian chroot why ?
May 24 12:20:35 <Nils^> ARGH! no my n900 refuses to ssh anymore.. it just disconnects after 5 chars send there...  its getting worse! http://xkcd.com/349/
May 24 12:21:00 <crashanddie> viliny_: ok, hang on
May 24 12:21:17 <Stskeeps> Nils^: try disable PSM and see if it helps
May 24 12:21:47 <MohammadAG_> mintux huh
May 24 12:22:01 <viliny_> crashanddie: thanks alot for doing this
May 24 12:22:04 <Nils^> Stskeeps: PSM?
May 24 12:22:13 <crashanddie> Asking permission to the channel to paste a few lines?
May 24 12:22:23 <Stskeeps> ~wifi-psm
May 24 12:22:24 <infobot> from memory, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)
May 24 12:22:26 <mintux> **doesn't run in xterminal
May 24 12:22:49 <mintux>  crashanddie: use codepad.org
May 24 12:23:14 <crashanddie> viliny_: there's quite a few ways of doing this, depending on your math level. The formula you gave is a pretty "well known" formula, and can be expanded quite rapidly
May 24 12:24:00 <viliny_> ah i see
May 24 12:24:09 <viliny_> no im really working up from the bare basics at this point
May 24 12:24:26 <viliny_> i was less than enthusiastic about this stuff while i had the chance in school and now it's come back to bite me in the ass
May 24 12:24:35 <mintux> a software for edit photo ?
May 24 12:24:44 <viliny_> mintux: what os?
May 24 12:24:58 <mintux> maemo5 (n900) I want on phone
May 24 12:25:14 <mintux> I use gimp in my pc
May 24 12:25:32 <viliny_> the phone has basic stuff built in - you can run gimp via debian chroot if you like
May 24 12:26:34 <ManoftheSea> isn't the Gimp kinda heavy for the phone?
May 24 12:26:49 <viliny_> yup
May 24 12:27:03 <mintux> I ran it . but it's very hard to work .
May 24 12:27:18 <viliny_> well, it is a phone mintux
May 24 12:27:25 <ManoftheSea> mintux: what kind of editing do you want?
May 24 12:27:34 <ManoftheSea> cropping?
May 24 12:27:43 <ManoftheSea> drawing?
May 24 12:27:46 <mintux> no I don't think so it's a tablet that installed a phone software on it
May 24 12:27:55 <mintux> ManoftheSea: both. work on colors
May 24 12:28:10 <viliny_> mintux: regardless, you won't be editing images comfortably with what you have in the n900 due to physical limitations
May 24 12:28:14 <ManoftheSea> Is there enough screen real-estate for that?
May 24 12:28:44 <mintux> if tuxpaint can open image . it was great
May 24 12:28:54 <viliny_> isn't tuxpaint for kids or something?
May 24 12:29:13 <ham5> almost like photoshop cs5
May 24 12:29:26 <viliny_> tuxpaint is like ps cs5?
May 24 12:29:33 <ham5> yea ;)
May 24 12:29:38 <mintux> it can draw easily . and has some clipart that it's funny
May 24 12:29:46 <viliny_> lol
May 24 12:29:54 <mintux> let try mypaint
May 24 12:29:57 <SpeedEvil> netpbm then
May 24 12:30:05 <viliny_> "for 3-12 year olds" - that kinda made me not install it in the first place
May 24 12:30:08 <SpeedEvil> to convert to something that tuxpaint will open
May 24 12:30:25 <SpeedEvil> Everyone should have a 12yo inside.
May 24 12:30:33 <SpeedEvil> brb, checking cage.
May 24 12:30:54 <ManoftheSea> SpeedEvil: I'm a guy, I don't want people inside me.
May 24 12:33:55 <viliny_> crashanddie: were you still working on the illustration?
May 24 12:34:05 <crashanddie> viliny_: http://slexy.org/view/s20Bd887Zn
May 24 12:34:29 <crashanddie> viliny_: I really tried to drill down to the most simple steps
May 24 12:34:47 <viliny_> ah thanks alot
May 24 12:34:55 <viliny_> do you have any project that wants donations going on? :)
May 24 12:35:10 <crashanddie> nope, but I'm looking for a job :)
May 24 12:35:27 <Noma> life is a common project that people need donations for...:p
May 24 12:35:48 <viliny_> crashanddie: where? :) im leaving an it planner job open soon ;)
May 24 12:36:12 <crashanddie> viliny_: all over the world provided I can work from home :D
May 24 12:37:52 <viliny_> hehe, no im afraid theres too much working with people and hardware involved, and i have this kreeping feeling you might be overqualified :)
May 24 12:39:01 <crashanddie> story of my life
May 24 12:39:19 <crashanddie> I think I might change my name to "appartment"
May 24 12:39:27 <crashanddie> I'll be the House of computer science
May 24 12:40:50 <viliny_> hehe
May 24 12:41:08 <crashanddie> viliny_: for what it's worth, I sucked at math in school. I hate the whole "there's no point to it" feeling you get at solving equations
May 24 12:41:09 <viliny_> well better to be overqualified and good at math than mediocre almost savant at it and dumb at math
May 24 12:41:15 <viliny_> hehe yeah
May 24 12:41:47 <crashanddie> I finished with 2/20 in high school, and 8/20 for my degree
May 24 12:41:58 <crashanddie> 8/20 was by cheating, I could look at the guy in front of me
May 24 12:42:27 <viliny_> i still have trouble making out the solution from what you gave me but should be enough for my friend to give me the thing in clear format
May 24 12:42:49 <crashanddie> hang on
May 24 12:45:35 <mintux> I would like to  Repartition 27Gb and I don't want vfat partition or only just 2gb and another want be ext3 . is it possible ? means does it show in file manager ?
May 24 12:46:51 * MohammadAG_ wonders how to check battery level on Fedora
May 24 12:47:20 <ZogG> MohammadAG_ what do you mean?
May 24 12:47:25 <ZogG> what DE?
May 24 12:47:50 <MohammadAG_> DE?
May 24 12:48:41 <ZogG> MohammadAG yes DE
May 24 12:48:42 <wall[e]> desktop environment!
May 24 12:48:43 <ZogG> ~DE
May 24 12:48:44 <infobot> i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes...
May 24 12:48:57 <wall[e]> or development environment?
May 24 12:49:03 <ZogG> desktop
May 24 12:49:10 <MohammadAG_> oh
May 24 12:49:17 <MohammadAG_> GNOME
May 24 12:49:26 <wall[e]> mintux, yes, that's very possible
May 24 12:49:31 <ZogG> do you have udev or hal support?
May 24 12:49:34 <wall[e]> there's a step by step tutorial for that
May 24 12:49:35 <ZogG> acpi support?
May 24 12:49:47 <ZogG> if you do just get the panel applet and that's all
May 24 12:49:48 <MohammadAG_> the N900 doesn't use acpi
May 24 12:49:49 <wall[e]> it just swap the vfat with home
May 24 12:49:50 <MohammadAG_> afaik
May 24 12:50:10 <ZogG> MohammadAG_, windows doesn't too
May 24 12:50:24 <MohammadAG_> windows uses acpi lol
May 24 12:50:53 <ZogG> windows 3.11 doesn't
May 24 12:51:10 <MohammadAG_> Linux fedora-arm 2.6.28-omap1 #2 PREEMPT Sat May 22 21:10:23 IDT 2010 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
May 24 12:51:17 <ZogG> oh
May 24 12:51:25 <ZogG> you got it on n900?
May 24 12:51:30 <wall[e]> cool
May 24 12:51:30 <MohammadAG_> yeah
May 24 12:51:30 <viliny_> crashanddie: im used to solving these things in like 3-4 rows of steps - your way seems a little foreign... might have to do with the limiations you have on giving the information (1 line)
May 24 12:51:45 <MohammadAG_> thanks to Jebba for the image and b-man for the help
May 24 12:52:14 <ZogG> x11-misc/xbattbar
May 24 12:52:40 <MohammadAG_> but it doesn't show up in lshal
May 24 12:52:49 <ZogG> battery?
May 24 12:52:56 <MohammadAG_> yeah
May 24 12:53:12 <ZogG> i think nokia doesn't keeps some things closed
May 24 12:53:34 <MohammadAG_> bme
May 24 12:53:44 <MohammadAG_> but n900-support from mer is loaded
May 24 12:53:52 <Stskeeps> you don't have hal-addon-bme
May 24 12:54:06 <MohammadAG_> ?
May 24 12:54:10 <ZogG> MohammadAG_ do you have hal?
May 24 12:54:17 <Stskeeps> which is what provides the bme info in lshal
May 24 12:55:18 <ZogG> MohammadAG_ try to use hal and acpi =)
May 24 12:55:25 <MohammadAG_> can i just copy it over from maemo?
May 24 12:55:34 <mintux>  wall[e]: im reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash Im afraid to do that :-(
May 24 12:55:35 <Stskeeps> not easily, i think
May 24 12:55:35 <crashanddie> viliny_: http://imm.io/y8U
May 24 12:56:14 <wall[e]> mintux, I followed that, work perfect!
May 24 12:56:31 <mintux> wall[e]: which solution did you do ?
May 24 12:56:40 <ZogG> MohammadAG_ i don't think it would work anyway
May 24 12:56:49 <ZogG> MohammadAG_, maybe it needs drivers
May 24 12:56:51 <wall[e]> 1 i thought i wanted 1 then i switch to my own.
May 24 12:56:57 <wall[e]> but it works
May 24 12:57:02 <viliny_> crashanddie: oh thats cool man - thanks alot!
May 24 12:57:07 <wall[e]> now my /home is 16GB
May 24 12:57:32 <wall[e]> i can download hidef pr0n that's so cool.
May 24 12:57:50 <viliny_> crashanddie: how does the fourth  work. whered you get the -1+1 up there?
May 24 12:58:28 <mintux> wall[e]:what should I backup ?
May 24 12:58:42 * MohammadAG_ chroots into maemo
May 24 12:58:57 <crashanddie> viliny_: oh, sorry, oversimplification again, that -1+1 = 0, so any number to the power of 0 = 1
May 24 12:59:23 <ZogG> MohammadAG_ wait - let's read moooore
May 24 12:59:25 <crashanddie> viliny_: so 2a^(-1+1) = 2a^0 = 2 * 1 = 2
May 24 12:59:41 <wall[e]> mintux, solution 1 I think they will tell you how to backup
May 24 12:59:53 <wall[e]> mintux, there's also a backup app
May 24 12:59:55 <viliny_> crashanddie: ah okay
May 24 13:00:19 <mintux> wall[e]: I don't think the backup app takes a complete backup
May 24 13:00:24 <viliny_> well thanks a tonne man, it's 4 o clock now so im leaving work, so appreciated :)
May 24 13:00:50 <ZogG> MohammadAG_ wait - can you check what does your kernel have?
May 24 13:00:51 <wall[e]> mintux, no, but backing up /home/user should be enough
May 24 13:00:54 <wall[e]> after umount
May 24 13:00:57 <wall[e]> MyDocs
May 24 13:01:15 <wall[e]> what do you want to backup?
May 24 13:01:27 <crashanddie> viliny_: no problem
May 24 13:01:29 <mintux> wall[e]: completely home
May 24 13:01:44 <mintux>  /home
May 24 13:01:45 <ZogG> where is kernel in maemo?
May 24 13:01:49 <wall[e]> mintux, you can tar them away
May 24 13:02:07 <mintux> ok i'l do it
May 24 13:02:09 <wall[e]> tar up those in /home/user and exclude MyDoc
May 24 13:02:11 <wall[e]> s
May 24 13:02:15 <ham5> kernel should be in /boot no?
May 24 13:02:29 <mintux> total is 4.1GB
May 24 13:02:31 <wall[e]> you sure you only want 2GB vfat?
May 24 13:02:43 <mintux> yes im linux user
May 24 13:02:44 <wall[e]> coz it's used to transfer
May 24 13:02:49 <wall[e]> ok
May 24 13:03:30 <mintux> and for more facilitates and security reason I would it be ext3 because anybody plug this device to computer has windows
May 24 13:03:47 <wall[e]> i am a gnu/linux user too but you will have more problems to solve to transfer big file from another gnu/linux box
May 24 13:04:13 <wall[e]> coz maemo will only export vfat partition
May 24 13:04:22 <wall[e]> i don't know how to export other yet
May 24 13:04:37 <mintux> wall[e]: what do you mean ? why another gnu/linux box ?
May 24 13:04:41 <wall[e]> but you can still transfer file over usb0 net
May 24 13:04:52 <mintux> problem is for windows machine
May 24 13:04:52 <wall[e]> which is quite fast
May 24 13:05:07 <mintux> that we have 2 GB vfat for that
May 24 13:05:09 <wall[e]> mintux, imagine you want to transfer 4gb file from another gnu/linux box
May 24 13:05:41 <wall[e]> it won't fit in MyDocs, though larger file still need split
May 24 13:05:58 <mintux> wall[e]: hmm from usb ?
May 24 13:06:08 <wall[e]> over usb, coz that's the fastest
May 24 13:06:15 <wall[e]> but you can still use usb0 net to transfer
May 24 13:06:21 <wall[e]> later
May 24 13:06:34 <wall[e]> i think it's okay
May 24 13:06:46 <wall[e]> so if you want to deal with that just have mydocs 2gb shoudl be ok
May 24 13:07:18 <mintux> wall[e]: so it's better to shrink mydocs
May 24 13:07:43 <wall[e]> and i think media player (default) only looks in MyDocs
May 24 13:07:52 <MohammadAG> did someone highlight/ping me?
May 24 13:07:55 <wall[e]> so I want it bigger a bit
May 24 13:08:04 <ZogG> MohammadAG me
May 24 13:08:10 <ZogG> tryig to find out something
May 24 13:08:23 <ZogG> MohammadAG, indeed it doesn't have acpi (maemo)
May 24 13:08:32 <ZogG> but does your fedore have?
May 24 13:08:37 <MohammadAG> ZogG, you killed my battery
May 24 13:08:45 <MohammadAG> acpi is hw based afaik
May 24 13:09:25 <ZogG> www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Battery-Powered.html
May 24 13:09:43 <ZogG> MohammadAG,
May 24 13:10:55 <mintux> wall[e]: I think buy a memory for it
May 24 13:11:35 <wall[e]> yeh, that too
May 24 13:11:40 <MohammadAG> docpurge breaks dpkg-repack
May 24 13:11:45 <satmd> hi
May 24 13:13:13 <mintux> wall[e]: there is no change need in fstab ?
May 24 13:13:54 <wall[e]> mintux, no, afaik fstab is autogenerated?
May 24 13:14:00 <mintux> mintux: when you open filemanager what files do you see ? where path ?
May 24 13:14:10 <wall[e]> wall[e], yeh, i love me
May 24 13:14:38 <wall[e]> mintux, it opens MyDocs
May 24 13:15:11 * mintux doesn't do this at this time . he needs more time to think about it and knows what does he do 
May 24 13:15:28 <SpeedEvil> fstab is generated in /etc/rc.d/rcS-late
May 24 13:15:30 <SpeedEvil> IIRC
May 24 13:15:35 <wall[e]> SpeedEvil, thanks!
May 24 13:15:46 <SpeedEvil> grep -r fstab /etc
May 24 13:17:26 <MohammadAG> yes, if you f up while editing your system will become non bootable :)
May 24 13:18:04 <wall[e]> ok, got it
May 24 13:18:44 <satmd> the apm faq above looks old and outdated
May 24 13:18:58 <satmd> some of the kernel options don't exist anymore
May 24 13:19:17 <wall[e]> but doesn't look like it relate to why i was looking for it. want to know how to export partitions over usb
May 24 13:19:24 <satmd> "are running a relatively recent (>2.4.10) kernel, "
May 24 13:19:27 <satmd> no comment.
May 24 13:21:11 <wall[e]> if i only have ext3 parts it will not export anything?
May 24 13:25:20 <mintux> wall[e]: what is your partition exactly ? 16gig ext3 mydcos and ... ?
May 24 13:26:07 <wall[e]> mindfaq, 16GB /home and 13GB ext3 I think
May 24 13:26:18 <wall[e]> I left the swap untouched
May 24 13:27:44 <wall[e]> /dev/mmcblk0p1 : start= 64, size= 27271168, Id= c
May 24 13:27:44 <wall[e]> /dev/mmcblk0p2 : start= 27271232, size= 33554432, Id=83
May 24 13:27:44 <mintux> tar doesn't work tar -cvjf backup.tar.bz2 *
May 24 13:27:45 <mintux> tar: invalid option -- j
May 24 13:27:56 <wall[e]> z
May 24 13:28:14 <wall[e]> zvxf
May 24 13:28:17 <wall[e]> and use tgz
May 24 13:28:36 <wall[e]> er
May 24 13:28:46 <wall[e]> zvcf
May 24 13:29:22 <wall[e]> you can install gnu tar if you want
May 24 13:29:58 <MohammadAG> mintux, cause it's busybox's tar
May 24 13:30:09 * MohammadAG has gtar symlinked to /bin/tar
May 24 13:30:17 <mintux> wall[e]: where is that table file ?
May 24 13:30:23 <MohammadAG> no idea if it would kill my device, but that can be fixed
May 24 13:31:05 <wall[e]> brave heart
May 24 13:31:13 * wall[e] bows before you.
May 24 13:31:15 <mintux> hmm ok
May 24 13:31:45 <MohammadAG> lol
May 24 13:32:02 <wall[e]> mintux, it's sfdisk output
May 24 13:33:43 <satmd> ah
May 24 13:38:39 <mintux> I want these partitions 8gig vfat  and 22 gig ext and swap be everything that was. but the questions is 8gig vfat will be /home/user/MyDocs and 22 will be /home/user so if it's true file manager open 8gig partition content's ??
May 24 13:41:37 <MohammadAG> the filemanager shows everything in /media/$foldername
May 24 13:42:07 <MohammadAG> so in theory if you could mount / on /media/root you can see rootfs in hildon-fm
May 24 13:43:15 <mintux> MohammadAG: means the MyDocs is in /media ??
May 24 13:43:42 <MohammadAG> umm, let me rephrase
May 24 13:44:06 <MohammadAG> /home/user/MyDocs and everything in /media will show
May 24 13:44:22 <mintux> hmm
May 24 13:45:45 <mintux> MohammadAG: I did mount /home/user /media/user but I don't see it in fb
May 24 13:46:47 <MohammadAG> restart the file manager
May 24 13:46:48 <MohammadAG> fb?
May 24 13:47:09 <mintux> default file manager
May 24 13:47:17 <mintux> restrt means close and open ? I did it
May 24 13:47:38 <MohammadAG> works for me
May 24 13:47:48 <MohammadAG> umm
May 24 13:47:54 <MohammadAG> you mount a device on a folder
May 24 13:48:00 <MohammadAG> not a folder on another folder
May 24 13:48:35 <mintux> /home/user is a device or partition ?
May 24 13:49:13 <wall[e]> file browser
May 24 13:49:26 <MohammadAG> neither...
May 24 13:49:32 <MohammadAG> /home/user is a directory
May 24 13:49:40 <mintux> ok now I mount /home/user/apps/omweather
May 24 13:49:41 <MohammadAG> and in the N900's case, a mount point
May 24 13:49:47 <MohammadAG> huh?!
May 24 13:50:04 <mintux> what do you mount and work for you ?
May 24 13:50:04 <MohammadAG> mintux, i suggest you stay away from partitioning
May 24 13:50:19 <MohammadAG> or read some man pages then do it
May 24 13:51:10 <MohammadAG> mount /dev/node /path/i/want/to/mount/to
May 24 13:52:19 <wall[e]> don't do
May 24 13:52:28 <wall[e]> anything not documented step-by-step
May 24 13:52:51 <mintux> MohammadAG: there is no choice . my problem is 1- everyone plug my device to the computer can see my files ( all people have windows ) 2- in debian chroot I can compile cpp files and run it only ext3 partition not fat 3-in pygtkeditor I can open only files in MyDocs and it in vfat 4- in lighhttpd browser the files are in /wwwPHP and I can not open it with pygtkeditor
May 24 13:52:55 <wall[e]> i wish someone has script to automate thing
May 24 13:53:46 <mintux> im linux user . and do it a lot partitioning before in my system but here it's different
May 24 13:53:48 <wall[e]> hahah your drive full of pr0n just like mine!
May 24 13:54:50 <wall[e]> note that I don't have windows or ever have use it
May 24 13:55:06 <lauri> hey guys
May 24 13:55:26 <lauri> do you have any good links for Qt4 MVC programming?
May 24 13:55:32 <DocScrutinizer> mintux: MohammadAG: mount --bind / /user/MyDocs/my_root
May 24 13:55:34 <lauri> I am interested in QListView etc
May 24 13:56:01 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I know :)
May 24 13:56:26 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, check your damn queries :P
May 24 13:56:39 <DocScrutinizer> uhh?
May 24 13:56:54 <MohammadAG> /query? :/
May 24 13:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> what's wrong with 'my queries'? o.O
May 24 13:57:51 <mintux> DocScrutinizer: did it . doesn't work . I have my_root but the content's of root doesn't list
May 24 13:58:13 <wall[e]> forget /home ?
May 24 13:58:23 <mintux> oh
May 24 13:58:23 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I pm'd you...
May 24 13:58:40 <wall[e]> miss /home
May 24 13:58:41 <MohammadAG> mintux, what exactly are you doing?
May 24 13:58:43 <wall[e]> lollololololol
May 24 13:59:04 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you got your chance weeks ago
May 24 13:59:10 <mintux> worked
May 24 13:59:24 * MohammadAG didn't get the joke
May 24 13:59:27 <MohammadAG> Oh
May 24 13:59:27 <Dima202> no patch?
May 24 13:59:28 <MohammadAG> lol
May 24 13:59:43 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I didn't have anything installed a week ago :P
May 24 14:01:15 <MohammadAG> mounting / to /media/root isn't the smartest idea
May 24 14:01:22 <MohammadAG> at least for the average user
May 24 14:01:24 <SpeedEvil> what was that way that someone mentioned to send AT commands to the modem - or am I making that up
May 24 14:01:54 <DocScrutinizer> moo SpeedEvil
May 24 14:01:58 <Dima202> MohammadAG: why not? in /media you can make any folder name why is root dangerous/
May 24 14:02:18 <MohammadAG> err
May 24 14:02:28 <MohammadAG> mounting / to /media/root
May 24 14:02:44 <MohammadAG> since root would be modifiable in the file manager
May 24 14:02:45 <Dima202> oh i c
May 24 14:02:55 <mintux> can I have virtual maemo on my pc and do everything on it and test and destroy it and after that I undrestand what I should do, do it on real device ?
May 24 14:03:13 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: wouldn't you need permissions to do that? :-P
May 24 14:03:37 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, everyone on tmo knows how to do that now
May 24 14:03:38 <DocScrutinizer> or is FM run as root?
May 24 14:03:43 <MohammadAG> nope
May 24 14:03:56 <MohammadAG> not with the default desktop file
May 24 14:04:23 <DocScrutinizer> so I don't see the problem
May 24 14:05:24 <wall[e]> mintux, install sdk?
May 24 14:05:39 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, mount / to /media/root, start ossofilemanager as root, delete /usr cause it takes a lot of space
May 24 14:05:46 <wall[e]> but that won't help with partitioning
May 24 14:05:48 <MohammadAG> watch device go downhill from there
May 24 14:06:03 <mintux> wall[e]: why ?
May 24 14:06:06 <DocScrutinizer> aaahyes (LOL
May 24 14:06:09 <DocScrutinizer> )
May 24 14:06:31 <mintux> wall[e]: there is no partition on that environment ?
May 24 14:06:32 <SpeedEvil> ooom
May 24 14:06:40 <mintux> can I install maemo on pc ?
May 24 14:06:51 <SpeedEvil> No.
May 24 14:06:52 <mintux> on virtual machine
May 24 14:06:58 <SpeedEvil> Well - the SDK does that sort-of
May 24 14:07:00 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, someone might interpet opt as optional, and delete it
May 24 14:07:05 <MohammadAG> cause... it's optional!
May 24 14:07:15 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: If you start anything as ROOT, there's pretty little sense in trying to protect the user doing this by means inside the started app
May 24 14:07:17 <MohammadAG> (/sarcasm for those who don't know)
May 24 14:07:41 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, you haven't read a lot of tmo posts have you
May 24 14:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: anybody able to start FM as root(!) is probably also able to rm -rf / in a xterm
May 24 14:08:22 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, that cleans up root right? :P
May 24 14:08:31 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: No.
May 24 14:08:33 <MohammadAG> s/cleans/frees
May 24 14:08:35 <SpeedEvil> dd cleans it better
May 24 14:08:37 <DocScrutinizer> honestly that's abysmal nonsense
May 24 14:08:38 <ZogG> it does
May 24 14:08:47 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, that takes more time
May 24 14:08:52 <ZogG> clean root and time in your life
May 24 14:09:09 <ZogG> format c:
May 24 14:09:10 <ZogG> =)
May 24 14:10:11 <MohammadAG> so DocScrutinizer ... dd if=/dev/mtd5 of=destination right?
May 24 14:10:14 * DocScrutinizer ponders to publish evil nasty hack to patch osso-fileselector widget to open / instead of /home/user/MyDocs
May 24 14:10:41 <mintux> wall[e]: what is sdk exactly completely virtual environment of maemo and n900 ? so it should has virtual partitions too ..
May 24 14:10:43 <DocScrutinizer> should be rather easy, with a hex editor
May 24 14:10:51 <MohammadAG> why stop there...
May 24 14:11:10 <MohammadAG> package i2cset and raise voltage to 30GV
May 24 14:11:42 <wall[e]> mintux, it runs on existing system
May 24 14:12:27 <DocScrutinizer> no, I'll design a specific virus adapted to your particular type of non-founded sarcasm
May 24 14:12:37 <DocScrutinizer> then spread that everywhere
May 24 14:13:36 <MohammadAG> riiight...
May 24 14:13:54 <DocScrutinizer> I'll call it N
May 24 14:13:59 <DocScrutinizer> ~n
May 24 14:14:00 <infobot> n is, like, the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure.
May 24 14:14:14 <MohammadAG> lol
May 24 14:14:23 <wall[e]> mintux, i think for the part you want, building a gnu/linux system from scratch is a better place to study.
May 24 14:14:38 <wall[e]> ever do that?
May 24 14:14:55 <wall[e]> i built my own in 95
May 24 14:15:06 <mintux> wall[e]: no I didn't work with scratch before
May 24 14:15:09 <MohammadAG> o/ Andrewfblack
May 24 14:15:13 <mintux> but I'll do it
May 24 14:15:21 <wall[e]> i love your theme
May 24 14:15:23 <mintux> it's better to test something on device
May 24 14:15:29 <mintux> :-D
May 24 14:15:30 <Andrewfblack> hey MohammadAG
May 24 14:15:42 <wall[e]> mintux, yes it's fun too.
May 24 14:15:59 <mintux> wall[e]: so for first step what should I do ?
May 24 14:16:06 <wall[e]> and improve a lot of overall knowledge about system
May 24 14:16:18 <wall[e]> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
May 24 14:17:16 <mintux> wall[e]: so with that I can create any linux I want not maemo ?
May 24 14:17:35 <wall[e]> mintux, will help you understand maemo a lot more
May 24 14:17:44 <mintux> hmm
May 24 14:17:53 <wall[e]> or even built it from scratch
May 24 14:18:27 <mintux> so what type of these model should I choose do you think? LFS or ALFS or ... ?
May 24 14:18:31 <wall[e]> took time but worth it
May 24 14:18:42 <mintux> yep
May 24 14:18:43 <wall[e]> just read em all
May 24 14:18:52 <wall[e]> lfs first
May 24 14:18:56 <mintux> ok
May 24 14:20:12 <mintux> :-D walle is the name of that funny robot ? wall[e]
May 24 14:20:24 <mintux> http://soandthus.blogs.com/so_and_thus/images/2008/02/04/walle.jpg
May 24 14:20:25 <wall[e]> yes
May 24 14:20:31 <mintux> :-Dlooool
May 24 14:20:37 <wall[e]> :)
May 24 14:20:46 <elstupidos> pixars best to date
May 24 14:20:48 <wall[e]> i work in 3d industry.
May 24 14:20:56 <mintux> hmm
May 24 14:21:13 <wall[e]> doing cartoon and such
May 24 14:21:21 <elstupidos> i love how they can tell a story better with no words than 95% of the movies out
May 24 14:21:27 <enpsgp> afternoon
May 24 14:21:29 <mintux> and do you have any relation with that animated characters or just like it
May 24 14:21:37 <wall[e]> mintux, i wish but no
May 24 14:21:41 <wall[e]> i am only use blender
May 24 14:22:03 <wall[e]> coz i joined the church of emacs for yearsss
May 24 14:22:28 <wall[e]> though i use vim
May 24 14:22:30 <wall[e]> :)
May 24 14:22:42 <mintux> wall[e]: are there any products that you worked on it ?
May 24 14:22:50 <lardman> note to self, hope no-one phones while HAM is doing something
May 24 14:22:58 <GAN900> Hehe
May 24 14:23:07 <wall[e]> mintux, internal, no public release
May 24 14:23:18 <mintux> hmm
May 24 14:23:24 <wall[e]> yet
May 24 14:23:46 <lardman> I just spent 20s hitting the green button and nothing happening, fail
May 24 14:23:50 <mintux> what software do you use for it ? blender ?
May 24 14:24:00 <wall[e]> yes
May 24 14:24:08 <mintux> that's great
May 24 14:24:28 <wall[e]> it is
May 24 14:26:33 <mintux> wall[e]: when you have the n900 ?
May 24 14:26:43 <wall[e]> since april?
May 24 14:26:52 <wall[e]> yeh, mid april
May 24 14:27:15 <mintux> and do you have previous device before it ?
May 24 14:27:20 <wall[e]> yes
May 24 14:27:24 <wall[e]> ericsson t68
May 24 14:27:38 <wall[e]> it's very cool
May 24 14:27:41 <wall[e]> does imap and such
May 24 14:28:13 <mintux> hmm some of nokia products support wimax is it true ? like n810 wimax ?
May 24 14:28:46 <mintux> woow
May 24 14:29:00 <mintux> it was great if n900 support it too
May 24 14:29:09 <GAN900> lardman, I/O is such a huge bottleneck.
May 24 14:29:15 <Myrtti> wimax is pretty dead in european point of view
May 24 14:29:19 <Myrtti> LTE is the future
May 24 14:29:43 <ZogG> mintux it depends on hw
May 24 14:30:15 <GAN900> mintux, no, the N900 does not support WiMAX.
May 24 14:30:28 <mintux> but in my area is the newest technology and just a few months we have wimax here :P
May 24 14:30:49 <wall[e]> next 10 years i'll get new cell phone
May 24 14:31:00 <wall[e]> hope n900 last
May 24 14:31:00 <ZogG> so buy ipad =)
May 24 14:31:17 <wall[e]> kill me for that :)
May 24 14:31:28 <MohammadAG> i'm not freenode staff
May 24 14:31:34 <MohammadAG> otherwise i would've killed you
May 24 14:31:35 <MohammadAG> :)
May 24 14:31:35 <ZogG> n900⁹°° ?
May 24 14:31:35 <happyblob> just curious as to whether anyone here has tried a non nokia Maemo phone?
May 24 14:31:37 <wall[e]> haha
May 24 14:32:06 <ZogG> happyblob, non nokia and non maemo =)
May 24 14:32:22 <mintux> :-D
May 24 14:32:29 <wall[e]> ask chinese they may interested
May 24 14:33:06 <happyblob> I just ask 'cos I saw something about a ZTE V7 MID which looks interesting
May 24 14:33:14 <wall[e]> i want that ipad knockoff device
May 24 14:33:28 <happyblob> although i've still gotta decide if its ugly or not (i'm leaning towards it being so :D)
May 24 14:33:33 <wall[e]> just hope it will not explosive
May 24 14:33:40 <wall[e]> not be
May 24 14:33:52 <wall[e]> running android
May 24 14:34:22 <wall[e]> will use to base my own mobile os dev on it
May 24 14:34:55 * mintux is works with n900 to discover anything it has and leaves the college lessons . he failed this term finally :P
May 24 14:35:26 <wall[e]> better dig lfs
May 24 14:35:28 <wall[e]> first
May 24 14:35:40 <wall[e]> will help and reduce time spent digging n900
May 24 14:35:46 <Trewas> transmission (the torrect client) kills n900 interactivity totally, I have seen several >30 second "pauses" where it reacts to absolutely nothing (even 10s press of power button)
May 24 14:36:04 <wall[e]> Trewas, download file larger than 4gb?
May 24 14:36:24 <Trewas> I wonder why it is that bad, at least transmission itself is not taking that much memory and at most 500k/s transfer does not sound too high amount of I/O
May 24 14:36:24 <wall[e]> you can shell in and kill it
May 24 14:36:31 <Trewas> wall[e]: no, few hundred of megabytes
May 24 14:36:36 <jacekowski> Trewas: it is
May 24 14:36:42 <wall[e]> uh strange, due to vfat?
May 24 14:36:58 <lardman> GAN900, IO or is it CPU linked?
May 24 14:37:00 <wall[e]> i download large file with rtorrent on ext3 and no problem
May 24 14:37:02 <jacekowski> Trewas: it's network i/o + sd i/o + a lot of processing by torrent client
May 24 14:37:04 <lardman> certainly pretty annoying
May 24 14:37:28 <wall[e]> but i got the same result d/l on vfat with transmission
May 24 14:37:59 <DocScrutinizer> want to kill your system? sudo cat /dev/kmem ;-P - reboots reliably
May 24 14:38:26 <wall[e]> can or cat something into it?
May 24 14:38:32 <wall[e]> cat or *
May 24 14:38:43 <DocScrutinizer> just cat it
May 24 14:38:48 <Trewas> jacekowski: I guess, still a bit surprising that it is much worse than any old pentium mmx would be with similar task given the processor/memory stats of n900 :)
May 24 14:38:54 <wall[e]> oh nice
May 24 14:39:00 <DocScrutinizer> core sigsegv
May 24 14:39:01 <wall[e]> wonder why heh
May 24 14:39:13 <DocScrutinizer> add 0
May 24 14:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> addr 0
May 24 14:39:21 <wall[e]> ah i see
May 24 14:39:29 <jacekowski> Trewas: MHz doesn't say anything about performance
May 24 14:39:47 <jacekowski> Trewas: 16MHz AVR is 4 times faster than 16MHz pic
May 24 14:40:13 <Trewas> wall[e]: transmission seems to be a bit stupid though, maybe rtorrent is better... transmission often reports *huge* "unverified data" which implies that it has started transfering huge number of pieces at the same time, which makes no sense whatsoever
May 24 14:40:23 <DocScrutinizer> I'd call it *almost* a bug
May 24 14:40:41 <wall[e]> i never try rtorrent on vfat though
May 24 14:40:50 <jacekowski> use rtorrent
May 24 14:40:50 <wall[e]> neither transmission on ext3
May 24 14:40:56 <jacekowski> but rtorrent need a lot of ram
May 24 14:41:07 <Macer> are there any portrait mode media players?
May 24 14:41:08 <Trewas> jacekowski: I know, but I have seen claims that arm cortex a8 mhz is not that far from say intel atom mhz
May 24 14:41:15 <jacekowski> it allocates chunk size for every connection
May 24 14:41:22 <Macer> the sideways stuff is irritating
May 24 14:41:25 <jacekowski> Trewas: but n900 is 600MHz
May 24 14:41:37 <jacekowski> Trewas: torrent client uses lot of ram
May 24 14:41:43 <wall[e]> can't you limit?
May 24 14:41:44 <jacekowski> Trewas: which forces os to start swapping
May 24 14:41:46 <Macer> considering that the jack is on the "bottom"
May 24 14:41:50 <wall[e]> crash?
May 24 14:41:54 <GAN900> Guh, what's the name of the Maemo blog krisse writes for?
May 24 14:42:04 <pexi> I would like to have side-talking in the next MaeGo phone
May 24 14:42:04 <jacekowski> Trewas: and increases amount of io
May 24 14:42:14 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: no, the jack is on the right side ;-P
May 24 14:42:18 <Trewas> jacekowski: yeah, i guess the slowness is mostly due to kernel swapping stuff out to make room for caches
May 24 14:42:26 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: if you say so :)
May 24 14:42:55 <Macer> better to just run rtorrent somewhere and use ssh
May 24 14:43:05 <Macer> then sftp it to the phone
May 24 14:43:14 <moo---_> there is some crazy person trying to run torrent on the phone? :o
May 24 14:43:21 <jacekowski> Trewas: nah, caches are gone
May 24 14:43:32 <jacekowski> Trewas: it's all resources used by torrent client
May 24 14:43:45 <GAN900> All About Maemo
May 24 14:44:12 <Trewas> jacekowski: according to top transmission does not use all that much RAM or processor either
May 24 14:44:29 <jacekowski> then it's probably loads of small io
May 24 14:44:33 <mintux> what is the mail software on maemo ?
May 24 14:44:41 <mintux> default
May 24 14:45:35 <Macer> haha. it should be kind of obvious that running an torrent client on a 600MHz arm withrealistically 256M will slow down the phone
May 24 14:45:41 <hrw> someone here uses mail-for-exchange to sync with gcalendar and not @gmail.com domain?
May 24 14:45:53 <Macer> :)
May 24 14:46:14 <Trewas> Macer: I would not mind slowness, but >30s pauses where the phone does reacts to nothing is a bit extreme :)
May 24 14:46:16 <pexi> hmm. transmission runs *quite* nicely on several routes with less ram and cpu
May 24 14:46:24 <pexi> *routers
May 24 14:47:34 <DocScrutinizer> gnaaaah
May 24 14:48:08 <Macer> Trewas: probably io like was said. writing bits to a file in multiple areas from multiple sources to an sd
May 24 14:48:41 <DocScrutinizer> sd stress test?
May 24 14:48:44 <GAN900> Trewas, I/O is slow.
May 24 14:48:44 <Macer> 20   0  132m 7060 5060 R 68.7  0.3   6:27.52 rtorrent
May 24 14:49:11 <Macer> that is on a 1.8GHz system with 2G of ram
May 24 14:49:41 <Macer> 0.3 of 2GB
May 24 14:50:00 <Macer> not to mention the 68 percent of the core
May 24 14:50:10 <mintux> mass storge just support vfat ? for connect by usb ?
May 24 14:50:43 <DocScrutinizer> basically yes
May 24 14:51:30 <DocScrutinizer> as you're "supposed" to use nass storage frequently with PC that knows VFAT only
May 24 14:51:39 <mintux> ok
May 24 14:51:40 <DocScrutinizer> mass*
May 24 14:51:56 <DocScrutinizer> you *can* export other fs as well
May 24 14:52:08 <DocScrutinizer> but you'll probably have a hard time
May 24 14:52:30 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, telling users how to fsck up their devices 1 by 1
May 24 14:53:02 <DocScrutinizer> /kick MohammadAG
May 24 14:53:51 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I dare you
May 24 14:54:18 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: stop bitching. It's not my fault if you don't like meego
May 24 14:54:41 <MohammadAG> meego?
May 24 14:54:55 * MohammadAG wonders if he missed something in the convo
May 24 14:55:08 <MohammadAG> doesn't seem like it
May 24 14:57:51 <hrw> ~curse maemo5 for crappy sync solutions
May 24 14:57:52 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo5 for crappy sync solutions !
May 24 14:58:14 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, was jk btw :)
May 24 14:58:37 <hrw> ermining has toolbar with missing icons and not usable logs. mfE cant connect to google account
May 24 15:05:40 <mintux> how can I run mysql server ?
May 24 15:09:11 <JakubS_> hello
May 24 15:09:33 <JakubS_> during video playback (h264/aac) pulseaudio daemon takes over 20% cpu
May 24 15:10:06 <JakubS_> is it possible to do something about it? like making sure that files use audio format that requires least processing?
May 24 15:11:17 <GAN900> Threading in Modest would be so nice.
May 24 15:12:03 <Robot101> GAN900: search first... :P
May 24 15:12:08 <mintux> I installed mysql but it doesn't work . it said ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)
May 24 15:13:07 <GAN900> Robot101, search where?
May 24 15:13:17 <Robot101> GAN900: for modest
May 24 15:13:44 <MohammadAG> Robot101, there is search
May 24 15:13:57 <MohammadAG> (at least in the latest package)
May 24 15:14:02 <GAN900> Robot101, ahaha
May 24 15:14:07 * GAN900 was confused
May 24 15:14:26 <MohammadAG> yep, there is search here
May 24 15:14:30 <GAN900> I thought that was a Talk-style (you) search first
May 24 15:14:30 <MohammadAG> just start typing
May 24 15:14:44 <GAN900> Not a (we need) search first.
May 24 15:15:03 <mintux> mysql is installed but it doesn't work can I come up mysal on easy-debian ? the php can connect to it ?
May 24 15:21:36 <e-yes> hi all. is initfs used somehow in n900? i see it's assumed initfs is present and mounted in /mnt/inifs in both Mer and Android rootfs' scripts. But mount output says nothing about initfs.
May 24 15:22:38 <e-yes> And after boot I see <no initfs> message in (?) bootloader
May 24 15:24:20 <SystemParadox> afternoon. Does anyone know of a way to disable screen unlocking on keyboard slide out?
May 24 15:27:28 <E0x> somebody with expirence with python-xlib ?
May 24 15:32:30 <GAN900> e-yes, it's not.
May 24 15:32:51 <GAN900> e-yes, but I'm not sure of the details relating to Mer or Android.
May 24 15:34:51 <DocScrutinizer> Robot101: mark all as read first! :-D
May 24 15:35:53 <loufoque> is it normal I can't sign in to msn with pecan?
May 24 15:35:57 <dneary> Hi
May 24 15:36:01 <dneary> Who's around?
May 24 15:36:22 <dneary> I'm looking for a volunteer or two to help me synthesise the brainstorm discussions into their wiki pages
May 24 15:36:23 <DocScrutinizer> JakubS_: alas PA is broken by design and there's probably few you can do other than hope for Nokia doing a complete rework of audio system
May 24 15:36:37 <dneary> Most of the discussions have been pretty tame, so not much synthesising to be done
May 24 15:37:06 <dneary> And in those where there was discussion, the original idea just got knocked back and forth, and not necessarily modified/improved
May 24 15:37:12 <JakubS_> even changing resample to 'trivial' did not help. Not that it needs much resampling  - my test file is 48kHz,2ch, le16 - exactly as alsa expects
May 24 15:37:13 <dneary> Anyone have a few minutes to take on one?
May 24 15:37:32 <dneary> I've already done news & planet and packages
May 24 15:39:34 <dneary> GAN900, Busy?
May 24 15:39:38 <GAN900> dneary, at work.
May 24 15:39:44 <GAN900> dneary, I can do cleanup tonight
May 24 15:39:49 <dneary> OK
May 24 15:40:01 <dneary> achipa, How about you, have a few minutes?
May 24 15:40:22 <GAN900> but not really available until after 2300 UTC
May 24 15:40:24 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Or you? :) It's really very straightforward, I can guide you through the process
May 24 15:40:44 <GAN900> dneary, I'd love to see more discussion for the Brainstorm part.
May 24 15:40:47 <achipa> dneary: here, sort of (at work)
May 24 15:40:49 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh* - shoot
May 24 15:40:50 <GAN900> I think we need more time
May 24 15:40:51 <dneary> GAN900, No worries, I only have another 15 mins or so, so my choice is recruit or stop half way through :)
May 24 15:40:53 <achipa> let me digest the history
May 24 15:41:12 <ZogG> dneary hey
May 24 15:41:15 <dneary> GAN900, I'm hoping that some synthesised discussions + a summary email will provoke discussion
May 24 15:41:22 <GAN900> Love to get an IRC session together and push it some more.
May 24 15:41:25 <GAN900> dneary, yeah.
May 24 15:41:40 <dneary> GAN900, Or, perrhaps, the life is already gone out of Maemo & there's nothing to be done but wait for the coroner to come in & pronounce time of death?
May 24 15:42:00 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: go ahead or hush forever ;-P
May 24 15:42:18 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Cool!
May 24 15:42:47 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Let's look at "Community workings" (currently not much in the way of proposals)
May 24 15:42:58 <DocScrutinizer> URL
May 24 15:43:02 <dneary> Talk thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53004
May 24 15:43:12 <dneary> Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Community_workings
May 24 15:43:39 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: /query or here, for a template for others?
May 24 15:43:59 <dneary> 2s - on phone
May 24 15:44:01 <ZogG> dneary talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53400
May 24 15:44:10 <dneary> Let's keep it in channel
May 24 15:44:24 <ZogG> damn chromium eats my http's =)
May 24 15:44:45 <dneary> ZogG, Missed that
May 24 15:45:10 <ZogG> dneary i got no comments, and my language is pretty poor to explain, but hope it is understandable
May 24 15:46:19 <GAN900> dneary, well, at least we can put together the will and plan what we're going to bury it with.
May 24 15:47:09 <dneary> ZogG, It mighht have been better as a comment on the "Packages" thread than a separate thread
May 24 15:47:30 <ZogG> okay - can you merge it?
May 24 15:47:36 <microlith> ...
May 24 15:47:41 <microlith> easy debian so feels like cheating
May 24 15:48:22 <ZogG> it's connected to packages, but the mirror thing i think can be separeted, anyway you decide =)
May 24 15:48:33 <dneary> ZogG, I don't know how to do that (and no time now)
May 24 15:49:19 <ZogG> dneary, okay, it was there for a while - so you would be able to merge when you figure out how, or you want me to make a new comment?
May 24 15:50:42 <dneary> ZogG, I think it would be best to ask a talk moderator to merge :)
May 24 15:50:51 <dneary> ZogG, I don't believe I have the permissions
May 24 15:51:08 <dneary> I've included your proposal in the http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Packages page
May 24 15:51:16 <ZogG> if i knew who they are
May 24 15:51:34 <ZogG> thnx
May 24 15:51:52 <dneary> So - I'm back now
May 24 15:52:11 <dneary> ZogG, GAN900 can point you in the direction of that information - I believe he is one
May 24 15:52:39 * ZogG kicks GAN900 
May 24 15:52:46 <ZogG> GAN900, yo, ganster
May 24 15:52:53 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: So - the basic idea is, edit the wiki page, and include anything which looks like a proposal from the Talk thread, attributing it to its proposer
May 24 15:53:22 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: For community workings, that might be:
May 24 15:53:24 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I see. Which wiki page?
May 24 15:53:45 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: I linked to it
May 24 15:53:51 <dneary> Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Community_workings
May 24 15:54:01 <dneary> (right after "Talk thread:")
May 24 15:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> though "community workings" maybe isn't a gentle start
May 24 15:55:00 * slonopotamus idles
May 24 15:55:01 <DocScrutinizer> too less technical for mee to start with, well almost
May 24 15:55:08 <DocScrutinizer> for me
May 24 15:55:46 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: anyway let me read it down to the bottom line first
May 24 15:56:05 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: unless you maybe got a better starting point
May 24 15:56:46 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps: around?
May 24 15:57:42 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Let's start with something else then
May 24 15:58:04 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Garage and developer services
May 24 15:58:11 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Talk thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53003
May 24 15:58:23 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Garage_and_developer_services
May 24 15:59:24 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: k
May 24 15:59:37 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: You hit "Edit page" on thhe wiki page, and then add a bullet list underneath:
May 24 16:00:10 <DocScrutinizer> probably pretty much like the meego meeting minutes
May 24 16:00:27 <dneary> "Add option to autobuilder not to add packages to repository on successful build, to allow submitter to test package built in autobuilder before shipping (gri)"
May 24 16:00:39 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 24 16:01:34 <DocScrutinizer> "have an option to delete package instead of uploading (bundyo)"
May 24 16:01:40 <SpeedEvil> But it compiles!
May 24 16:01:43 <SpeedEvil> It must work!
May 24 16:01:44 <dneary> "Allow submitter to scrap the package on a build failure, rather than requiring version bump (Bundyo)"
May 24 16:01:45 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 24 16:01:48 <dneary> Yes, whatever
May 24 16:02:11 <dneary> SpeedEvil, Sorry for my grammar comment on your Garage bug report - couldn't resist :)
May 24 16:02:14 <SpeedEvil> What is the aim of this wikipage creating.
May 24 16:02:23 <SpeedEvil> dneary: i blame my keyboard.
May 24 16:02:30 <SpeedEvil> It's hardly a dealbreaker bug. :)
May 24 16:02:57 <dneary> SpeedEvil, Synthesise discussion of brainstorms into proposals that we can prioritise & plan
May 24 16:03:07 <SpeedEvil> I've been going through all my apps submitting bugreports for slightly irritating stuff.
May 24 16:03:13 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
May 24 16:03:15 <dneary> (similar to what we did with "Task:" pages with the 100Days thing)
May 24 16:03:24 <SpeedEvil> You mean that brainstorm is not a suitable forum?
May 24 16:03:26 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 24 16:03:47 <dneary> SpeedEvil, Brainstorm on Maemo has been a failed social effort
May 24 16:03:55 <SpeedEvil> Sounds like something I might look at.
May 24 16:04:14 <SpeedEvil> Good for times you're not feeling constructive.
May 24 16:04:14 <dneary> People submitting issues don't know what effect their submission has, developers don't know what to do with it, and the interface is a bit of a pain
May 24 16:04:27 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: what does the ToDo list look like (in terms of threads to process)?
May 24 16:04:55 <dneary> SpeedEvil, Yes - that is one problem. Brainstorm's primary goal from the point of view of developers is to channel complaining somewhere they're not reading
May 24 16:05:06 <dneary> That only works as long as the complainers don't cop on
May 24 16:05:28 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: There are 8 threads, I've done 2, in progress on a 3rd
May 24 16:05:28 <SpeedEvil> Yes - and it's even worse - as it's poking users with the illusion of change.
May 24 16:05:37 <E0x> indeed
May 24 16:05:37 * DocScrutinizer wonders why dneary asked him to contribute his pidgin english to the wiki :-P
May 24 16:05:56 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: X-Chat2 English
May 24 16:06:02 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: There is worse english on the wiki.
May 24 16:10:09 <GAN900> ZogG, sjgadsby.
May 24 16:11:11 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: may I point to the CSS bug I reported, and frown a little
May 24 16:11:58 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: please toss and empty bullet list template into http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Brainstorm_2010/Garage_and_developer_services&action=edit
May 24 16:12:40 <crashanddie> for crying out loud, I want PR1.2. I'm sick of having a half functionning Qt environment. Bollocks to Nokia; long enough a wait already.
May 24 16:13:05 <lbt> crashanddie: that ought to do it :)
May 24 16:13:20 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, wednesday is the rumored release date
May 24 16:13:37 <MohammadAG> some "Nokia Italy" 'confirmed' it on facebook
May 24 16:13:40 <MohammadAG> which is.. weird
May 24 16:13:56 <Appiah> I dont trust facebook
May 24 16:14:18 <MohammadAG> that's why i said 'confirmed'
May 24 16:14:20 <slonopotamus> crashanddie: are we there yet? :)
May 24 16:14:49 <Appiah> :)
May 24 16:15:04 <slonopotamus> (you don't want pr1.2 actually)
May 24 16:15:19 <timeless_mbp> crashanddie: i think 1.2 will give you yet another "not the qt someone else is looking for" :)
May 24 16:15:39 <MohammadAG> 4.7 problems here we come
May 24 16:16:13 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: List example in place
May 24 16:16:26 <DocScrutinizer> expectations rise each day the rollout is delayed
May 24 16:16:33 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: thnx
May 24 16:16:38 <BCMM> ever since i installed extra codecs, media player has been reporting no music and no videos
May 24 16:16:47 <BCMM> is there a way to force it to rescan?
May 24 16:16:58 <crashanddie> BCMM: delete the cache, or reboot
May 24 16:17:09 <BCMM> crashanddie: where is yhe cace?
May 24 16:17:11 <BCMM> i have rebooted
May 24 16:17:14 <achipa> timeless_mbp: well, considering the fuss around 1.2 one really has to wonder what changed wrt Qt :S
May 24 16:18:38 <crashanddie> BCMM: tracker-processes --hard-reset
May 24 16:18:46 <timeless_mbp> achipa: 1.2 goes to qt4.6
May 24 16:19:00 <timeless_mbp> but it's unclear whether anyone will ship 4.6 in a fcs product
May 24 16:19:17 <timeless_mbp> infobot: fcs?
May 24 16:19:18 <ZogG> <GAN900> ZogG, sjgadsby is it nickname?
May 24 16:19:22 <achipa> timeless_mbp: but really, what's the difference wrt to PR1.1 and libqt4-maemo5 ?
May 24 16:19:39 <timeless_mbp> achipa: what version of qt4 is in libqt4-maemo5?
May 24 16:19:45 <timeless_mbp> it's probably qt4.5<whatever>
May 24 16:19:55 <achipa> git310
May 24 16:19:59 <slonopotamus> hehe
May 24 16:20:01 <Torne> does anyone know how the eMMC gets set up on the n900 when you flash it? the MMC image only appears to contain the FAT filesystem image, not the partition table or anything to go on the othe rpartitions.
May 24 16:20:19 <slonopotamus> your naming scheme is broken
May 24 16:20:24 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: You actually have some debate in your thread, cool!
May 24 16:20:35 <achipa> if there are any extra fixes in there, they could have been just as well applied to libqt4-maemo5
May 24 16:21:00 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: yeah. Trying to aggregate
May 24 16:21:34 <dneary> Docscrutinizer: For an example, here's my synthesis of the community workings discussion: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Community_workings#Community_workings
May 24 16:22:34 <GAN900> ZogG, yes, of a supermod on Talk.
May 24 16:23:00 <ZogG> thnx
May 24 16:23:31 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: you're cheating. 75% are your own contributions. That's just too easy :-P
May 24 16:23:53 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: It gives me liberty to ignore criticism too ;)
May 24 16:26:08 <dneary> Anyone else want to join in? Downloads is short & easy
May 24 16:26:37 <dneary> Talk thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52998
May 24 16:26:46 <dneary> Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Downloads
May 24 16:27:19 <dneary> Bugzilla is even shorter:
May 24 16:27:22 <kthomas_vh> lol
May 24 16:27:30 <dneary> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53002
May 24 16:27:46 <dneary> Needs synthesising here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Bugzilla
May 24 16:29:42 <Macer> hm
May 24 16:30:16 <dneary> kthomas_vh, lol?
May 24 16:30:18 <dneary> Why?N
May 24 16:30:29 <dneary> Macer, Do you have a minute to helpp out?
May 24 16:30:34 <dneary> I'm afraid I have to go now
May 24 16:30:39 <dneary> 3 threads left
May 24 16:30:57 <dneary> Talk & Mailing lists is the 3rd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53000
May 24 16:31:04 <dneary> http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Talk_and_mailing_lists
May 24 16:31:35 <kthomas_vh> ^^^^easily amused when tired :)
May 24 16:33:12 <timeless_mbp> dneary: where's the bugzilla thing?
May 24 16:33:32 <DocScrutinizer> talk&ml, OMG
May 24 16:33:52 <Macer> huh?
May 24 16:34:15 <DocScrutinizer> just for the topic ;-P
May 24 16:34:42 <DocScrutinizer> could easily evolve into a 90 pages thread
May 24 16:35:00 <DocScrutinizer> haven't looked at it
May 24 16:36:45 <DocScrutinizer> a quote of my favourite band (KC): "I did things like not looking at it for a whole week - then looking at it to see if I still *hate* it. I DID!"
May 24 16:39:04 <dneary> timeless_mbp, Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Bugzilla
May 24 16:39:22 <dneary> timeless_mbp, Talk thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53002
May 24 16:39:51 <dneary> Only ones left to do now are Bugzilla & Downloads
May 24 16:39:58 <dneary> Gotta go
May 24 16:40:18 <dneary> Will try to pop in later & move things along over the next couple of days while I'm not here :}
May 24 16:54:21 <ZogG> MohammadAG, hey
May 24 16:54:31 <MohammadAG> o/
May 24 16:54:45 <MohammadAG> ~seen ossipena
May 24 16:54:48 <infobot> ossipena <~timo@a91-156-160-235.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16d 2h 49s ago, saying: 'mohammadag, nothing else. well, backspace improvement code that is commented'.
May 24 16:57:15 <ZogG> Allow easy mirroring of package repository (ZogG, in this thread)
May 24 16:57:25 <ZogG> MohammadAG have you tried meego?
May 24 16:58:00 <tripzero> mmmmeego
May 24 16:58:07 <MohammadAG> yeah, it says bash-3.2$
May 24 16:58:28 <tripzero> GM should have gone with meego instead of android :S
May 24 16:58:43 <lbt> MohammadAG: but it uses GL to do it...
May 24 16:59:44 <MohammadAG> lbt, now i'm impressed!
May 24 17:00:01 * lbt nods sagely
May 24 17:00:16 <lbt> you should see a btrfs listing fly by now!
May 24 17:00:40 <MohammadAG> lbt, does it use Qt to draw the terminal window?
May 24 17:01:25 <lbt> sadly not.... btrfs uses 945Mb for metadata so they can't fit Qt anymore...
May 24 17:01:33 <lbt> hence the xterm
May 24 17:01:46 * lcuk *blink*
May 24 17:02:03 <lbt> don't do that lcuk, you'll miss it
May 24 17:02:17 <ZogG> hm
May 24 17:02:41 <ZogG> is there anyway to install WM on meego? =)
May 24 17:02:57 <lbt> yum ?
May 24 17:03:28 <visz> what are you running meego on?
May 24 17:03:30 <Ikarus> ZogG: WM ?
May 24 17:03:54 <ZogG> WindowsManager
May 24 17:03:58 <ZogG> like openbox
May 24 17:04:02 <ZogG> any *box
May 24 17:04:19 <ZogG> or awesome
May 24 17:04:19 <Ikarus> aaah
May 24 17:04:25 <ZogG> DE has WM in it also
May 24 17:04:34 <ZogG> metacity or compiz in e.g.
May 24 17:04:38 <Ikarus> ZogG: yeah, I was hoping you meant that definition
May 24 17:04:49 <Ikarus> not sure how though, Meego is pretty bare at the moment
May 24 17:04:52 <ZogG> xfwm4 in xfce4
May 24 17:04:55 <ZogG> and so on
May 24 17:05:32 <ZogG> Ikarus, i read tmo about flash and maemo and so on and i dunno who is saying truth
May 24 17:05:36 <ZogG> so i'm looking forward
May 24 17:07:21 <johnsq> Hi
May 24 17:10:35 * MohammadAG blinks back at lcuk
May 24 17:12:39 <tybollt_> ugh
May 24 17:12:44 <tybollt_> fucking update icon
May 24 17:13:11 <tybollt_> everytime I see it my heart skip ERANGE of beats my thinking it might be THE ONE... :)
May 24 17:13:19 <tybollt_> but naw - some random silly app >:P
May 24 17:16:27 <GAN900> Haha
May 24 17:16:45 <GAN900> They need to have a fanfare sound to play for the real ones.
May 24 17:16:58 <MiXu-> Can someone help me with deb packaging... Where do I put my .desktop file for example?
May 24 17:17:53 <MiXu-> Or do I need to do the copying to proper directory with a postinstall script?
May 24 17:21:40 <tybollt_> GAN900: ;P
May 24 17:23:58 * satmd found an interesting question
May 24 17:24:14 <satmd> is it possible to see wether a n900 works in gsm unencrypted mode?
May 24 17:24:35 <tybollt_> oi
May 24 17:24:38 <SpeedEvil> Connect it to an openBTS
May 24 17:24:50 <Bilaw> hey there!
May 24 17:24:55 <SpeedEvil> http://openbts.sourceforge.net/
May 24 17:25:04 <SpeedEvil> satmd: What ar eyou really asking?
May 24 17:25:05 <satmd> I was wondering about detection of imsi catching
May 24 17:27:17 <SpeedEvil> I don't think it will tell you.
May 24 17:27:33 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure how prevalent theattack is in the wild - I suspect not very.
May 24 17:28:08 <satmd> true, but still was interesting to know if this is possible with current hardware or not
May 24 17:28:22 <SpeedEvil> Also - there are worse problems.
May 24 17:28:22 <satmd> hoped to find a register to query
May 24 17:28:36 <satmd> like?
May 24 17:29:00 <satmd> the provider spying directly? yeah
May 24 17:29:29 <SpeedEvil> http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/26/1736253/All-GSM-Phones-Open-To-Attack-Tracking?from=rss
May 24 17:29:54 <Arkenoi> oh sh*t. after a few days uptime it happened again: no memory hogs, no high cpu load, no high io load -- and almost non-responsive desktop :-/
May 24 17:30:02 <SpeedEvil> http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1931256/GSM-Decryption-Published
May 24 17:30:08 <SpeedEvil> while true
May 24 17:30:09 <SpeedEvil> do
May 24 17:30:11 <SpeedEvil> sleep 30
May 24 17:30:19 <SpeedEvil> ps;cat /proc/vmstat
May 24 17:30:20 <SpeedEvil> done
May 24 17:30:28 <Andy80> hi all
May 24 17:30:29 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, could you please convert mbx sources to unix line endings?
May 24 17:30:36 <Andy80> any eCoach developer here around?
May 24 17:31:05 <satmd> yeah, my good friends at ccc
May 24 17:31:06 <satmd> ;)
May 24 17:33:12 <Bilaw> hey there: when I try to install the new kernel kernel 2.6.28.10, I get a message saying «downloading of kernel-power-flasher impossible, unable to find application». Can you tell me what I get wrong?
May 24 17:36:57 <VDVsx> Andy80, eCoach is one man project :D
May 24 17:37:34 <Andy80> VDVsx: eCoach just lost my running logs :( no way to recover them....
May 24 17:38:23 <Andy80> VDVsx: no way to stop the current activity, I missclicked on "X" button, "there is a current activity, are you sure you want to close?" I pressed "NO" and eCoach closed anyway
May 24 17:38:26 <Andy80> ffs -.-
May 24 17:39:11 <VDVsx> Andy80, I don't use that app so dunno, but know some people that use it, are you using last version ?
May 24 17:39:23 <Andy80> VDVsx: yes... 1.62
May 24 17:39:28 <frals> reporting those bugs to the developer is a good start id say :)
May 24 17:39:40 <Andy80> VDVsx: and even the upload to heiaheia failed (using an old log)
May 24 17:40:05 <VDVsx> Andy80, Sampo told me that there are some nasty bugs in last version in -extras-devel
May 24 17:40:08 <Andy80> I used Nokia Sport Tracker once, on my N73 but it doesn't have gps and I had to use an external bt receiver
May 24 17:40:32 <Andy80> VDVsx: ouch :\ maybe I should have used the stable 1.61 ?
May 24 17:42:28 <Andy80> VDVsx: the fact is that I keep extras-devel enable to help in reporting bugs, but I didn't know that the version of eCoach I had installed came from extras-devel and not just extras, my fail then :\
May 24 17:42:46 <VDVsx> Andy80, report the bugs :D
May 24 17:43:11 <Andy80> VDVsx: a bit difficoult to reproduce, but I'll try
May 24 17:46:07 <Andy80> VDVsx: changing "topic", there is someone on Facebook called "Nokia Italia" that rumors about p.r. 1.2 for this wednsday....
May 24 17:46:26 <Andy80> VDVsx: nothing against "rumors", but maybe he shouldn't name itself "Nokia Italia" ?
May 24 17:46:53 <Andy80> VDVsx: http://www.nokioteca.net/blog/2010/05/in-arrivo-il-nuovo-firmware-pr1-2-per-n900/
May 24 17:47:56 <VDVsx> Andy80, lol, tip Nokia to sue him, hihihi
May 24 17:48:12 * VDVsx sues SpeedEvil
May 24 17:48:19 <VDVsx> :D
May 24 17:49:09 <Andy80> VDVsx: uhm... look the profile on facebook, actually it looks like official one O_o
May 24 17:49:20 <Andy80> VDVsx: and magically you cannot find that post anymore :P
May 24 17:49:47 <VDVsx> can be, but isn't PR 1.2 just a rumor ? :D :D
May 24 17:49:56 <tripzero> lol
May 24 17:49:57 <tripzero> prolly
May 24 17:50:09 <SpeedEvil> PR1.2 is the last, best hope for peace.
May 24 17:50:17 <VDVsx> not sure if it really exist :D
May 24 17:50:32 <SpeedEvil> Oh - sorry - that was the Babylon stations.
May 24 17:50:43 <SpeedEvil> I always confuse those.
May 24 17:50:44 <Andy80> VDVsx: lol :D
May 24 17:51:27 <Andy80> VDVsx: well... I tell you a secret... it will be released on 2011 February, 31th :D
May 24 17:52:04 <VDVsx> Andy80, with support for the 770 :D
May 24 17:52:13 <Andy80> ofc :)
May 24 17:58:06 <MohammadAG> weird, my sim wasn't being detected
May 24 17:58:32 <MohammadAG> and when i checked it, it was sticky (like it melted or sth)
May 24 18:00:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I cursed it
May 24 18:01:12 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it kind of spelled JR with the glue :P
May 24 18:09:06 <GAN900> "Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900"
May 24 18:09:19 <GAN900> Gotta love it.
May 24 18:10:28 <jaska> disabling flash was the first thing i did in microb :)
May 24 18:10:43 <GAN900> Flashblock CSS
May 24 18:10:53 <johnsq> is there a way to simulate with xephyr a touchscreen?
May 24 18:11:13 <MohammadAG> X11 server?
May 24 18:11:43 <johnsq> MohammadAG: xephyr is a xserver in a window.
May 24 18:11:54 <tripzero> you can simulate a touchscreen by imagining your mouse is your finger
May 24 18:11:58 <MohammadAG> i know what xephyr is
May 24 18:12:14 <MohammadAG> it's needed by the sdk
May 24 18:13:30 <johnsq> tripzero: but it sends enter and leave window events, which a touchscreen sends before you click at the point.
May 24 18:14:01 <tripzero> touchscreen apps should ignore window leave/enter events
May 24 18:14:42 <tripzero> in the very least sense the developer can ignore those events
May 24 18:14:51 <tripzero> cuz touchscreens have no concept of enter/leave
May 24 18:15:32 * MohammadAG looks up sense
May 24 18:15:40 <MohammadAG> sense: word not found
May 24 18:16:33 <tripzero> since*
May 24 18:16:34 <tripzero> ;)
May 24 18:16:47 * tripzero blames xchat
May 24 18:17:02 <MohammadAG> right....
May 24 18:17:03 <MohammadAG> :P
May 24 18:17:08 <tripzero> and the failure of the school system
May 24 18:17:25 <MohammadAG> umm sense exists
May 24 18:17:31 <MohammadAG> as a word
May 24 18:17:35 <tripzero> not in that sense though
May 24 18:17:44 <MohammadAG> i was blaming devs for not having it :P
May 24 18:17:52 <tripzero> oh, heh :P
May 24 18:18:04 <tripzero> nope, i don't have that either
May 24 18:18:18 <tripzero> especially not the common form of it
May 24 18:18:34 <MohammadAG> :P
May 24 18:19:05 <DocScrutinizer51> I sense nonsense
May 24 18:19:22 * MohammadAG enters a loop
May 24 18:20:03 <MohammadAG> (on an off topic (kind of) note, fedora works, but the N900 doesn't have a HW clock/BIOS-like clock)
May 24 18:20:16 <MohammadAG> so the pass resets every minute (and I have to change it)
May 24 18:20:16 <Ikarus> MohammadAG: actually it does have one
May 24 18:20:23 <SpeedEvil> umm - yes it does
May 24 18:20:35 <SpeedEvil> (though it is broken on suspend to RAM - wich is annoying)
May 24 18:20:36 <MohammadAG> not for other OSs though right?
May 24 18:20:39 <SpeedEvil> On that topic.
May 24 18:20:49 <SpeedEvil> Does anyone know how to talk to the modem with AT commands?
May 24 18:20:57 <MohammadAG> not me
May 24 18:21:03 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: there is a sample on the wiki to send SMSes that way
May 24 18:21:11 <ZogG> GAN900> They need to have a fanfare sound to play for the real ones. [brainstorm 2010]
May 24 18:21:16 <MohammadAG> oh the phone modem
May 24 18:21:23 <MohammadAG> AT?
May 24 18:21:27 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 24 18:21:32 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: WUT?? the rtc is messed up on suspend to ram??
May 24 18:21:32 <SpeedEvil> Ikarus: oh
May 24 18:21:38 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yes
May 24 18:21:45 <ZogG> it's not only phone modem
May 24 18:21:47 <DocScrutinizer51> impossible
May 24 18:21:50 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: well - I'm not saying the RTC
May 24 18:22:02 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I mean - the time is not preopetly kept over suspend-ram
May 24 18:22:06 <ZogG> it's any modem'/me is thinking about old BBS
May 24 18:22:09 <ZogG> and fido net
May 24 18:22:12 <MohammadAG> Fedora keeps reporting 31 Dec 1999 (or similar)
May 24 18:22:25 <MohammadAG> even after setting it
May 24 18:22:39 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS
May 24 18:22:39 * SpeedEvil is reminded of explaining 600 quid phone-bills to parents.
May 24 18:22:39 <SpeedEvil> :/
May 24 18:22:41 <DocScrutinizer51> which is caused by kernel not doing a hwclock -hctosys
May 24 18:22:48 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: likely\
May 24 18:23:40 <MohammadAG> shall i comment it out? :P
May 24 18:24:59 <DocScrutinizer51> well MohammadAG - that doesn't always work :-D
May 24 18:25:06 <ZogG> talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=673668#post673668 - HAHA
May 24 18:26:41 <MohammadAG> the N95 wasn't exactly the device with most apps
May 24 18:27:00 <MohammadAG> on the HW side it owned the iPhone 2G
May 24 18:27:36 <RST38h> n95...meh
May 24 18:27:48 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it wouldn't hurt to try *comments out NOLO*
May 24 18:30:05 <Arkenoi> btw n95 is still one of best selling phones in US
May 24 18:30:31 <GAN900> Arkenoi, care to cite that?
May 24 18:30:31 <Arkenoi> i thought it is not manufactured anymore for years
May 24 18:30:38 <Arkenoi> no, it is still alive
May 24 18:30:39 <jacekowski> well, it is the best phone
May 24 18:30:45 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: ARRGH! where's the "kick ass" button? Or can I remove thanks I never gave?
May 24 18:30:45 <GAN900> I haven't seen one in years
May 24 18:30:57 <GAN900> And I see at least 3 iPhones a day
May 24 18:30:58 <jacekowski> GAN900: it's most popular phone in the UK
May 24 18:31:15 <GAN900> jacekowski, that's not the US, however. ;)
May 24 18:31:29 <jacekowski> but well, i've been in US some time ago
May 24 18:31:43 <cato`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones
May 24 18:31:55 <jacekowski> and i went to at&t shop and they had no nokia handsets
May 24 18:32:07 <GAN900> How long ago?
May 24 18:32:13 <GAN900> They have 2 or 3 right now
May 24 18:32:29 <Ikarus> the N900 is pretty damn rare in actual stores here
May 24 18:32:32 <GAN900> But Nokia doesn't generally play ball with the US carriers.
May 24 18:32:36 <DocScrutinizer> Ticket; Improvement; system: tmo:  Add a "blame" button please! allow to push that several times, to accumulate
May 24 18:32:36 <jacekowski> GAN900: last summer
May 24 18:32:55 <jacekowski> mhm
May 24 18:32:56 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer you can remove. but how am i connected
May 24 18:33:02 <GAN900> jacekowski, E71x and that Surge thing are both available right now.
May 24 18:33:17 <ZogG> ~pr1.2 =)
May 24 18:33:18 <jacekowski> i doubt anything will beat 1100 and 3210
May 24 18:33:26 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: you posted that tmo url
May 24 18:33:28 <ZogG> jacekowski 3310
May 24 18:33:38 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer so - it's funny
May 24 18:33:43 <SpeedEvil> 3310++
May 24 18:33:44 <jacekowski> ZogG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones
May 24 18:33:50 <DocScrutinizer> it's AAAARRRRGH
May 24 18:34:06 <SpeedEvil> 3310 - in some ways better than my n900.
May 24 18:34:15 <jacekowski> battery life?
May 24 18:34:20 <SpeedEvil> 'Oh - I'm sitting on my phone - I'd better get up - it's uncomfortable.'
May 24 18:34:30 <SpeedEvil> vs 'Plz be ok, Plz be ok...'
May 24 18:34:47 <GAN900> Nothing's beaten the Model T either
May 24 18:35:09 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: i dropped my n900 from quite height
May 24 18:35:16 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, how's that diet coming along? :P
May 24 18:35:17 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: and except minor scratches it's fin
May 24 18:35:25 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: Fred Flintstone's car :-P
May 24 18:36:05 <sECuRE> is there a way to get the number of a missed call when you have an address book entry with multiple numbers?
May 24 18:36:06 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: I'm at 77.4Kg or so - my aim is 76.5 - down from 97 in Oct.
May 24 18:36:10 <jacekowski> fine*
May 24 18:36:10 <zaheerm-lp> when building packages in scratchbox is DEB_ARCH set?
May 24 18:36:36 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, awesome
May 24 18:36:51 <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/weight.gif
May 24 18:36:52 <SpeedEvil>  :)
May 24 18:37:03 <SpeedEvil> N900 made it possible! :)
May 24 18:38:24 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: how high are you?
May 24 18:40:01 <Arkenoi> SpeedEvil, how did you achieve that?
May 24 18:40:13 <RST38h> "Leaving Nokia for life!" (c)tmo
May 24 18:40:19 <RST38h> Arkenoi moo
May 24 18:40:38 <pupnik> Protip, bring a towel or sheet if you use german public transportation.  Or your +ss will smell like homeless person for days.
May 24 18:41:35 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: Calorie counting.
May 24 18:41:40 <Stskeeps> you smell your ass often?
May 24 18:41:55 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: And planning inexpensive meals in order to pay for the n900.
May 24 18:42:03 <pupnik> whenever it stinks to high heaven
May 24 18:42:04 <RST38h> pupnik <--- making RST38h doubt famous German ordnung
May 24 18:42:20 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: I found http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/ of use. Though in some ways it sucks.
May 24 18:42:58 <Arkenoi> speedevil: and exactly how many calories daily?
May 24 18:43:24 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: Early on - ~1700.
May 24 18:43:38 <SpeedEvil> Now ~2100
May 24 18:43:51 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: yum, healthy amounts :)
May 24 18:44:10 * FauxFaux sits here eating 1000 calories of chese with biscuits, don't link things like that. /o\
May 24 18:44:20 <Ikarus> brrr
May 24 18:44:27 <SpeedEvil> IMO.
May 24 18:44:32 <SpeedEvil> Avoid diet-food.
May 24 18:44:38 <FauxFaux> Eat cheese instead.
May 24 18:44:46 <SpeedEvil> Work out what you like to eat that happens to be healthy.
May 24 18:44:54 <SpeedEvil> A good example.
May 24 18:44:57 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: well, don't avoid it, but eat the sensible sort, ie, which is naturally low fat/carbohydrates
May 24 18:44:57 <pupnik> well said
May 24 18:45:08 <GAN900> Stskeeps, I imagine you can't help but if it smells like homeless person. :P
May 24 18:45:24 <SpeedEvil> Do you A) have a huge slice of cheese - or B) Have a smaller slice of really nice cheese and actually prepare it so you taste it.
May 24 18:45:42 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: given the choice between two pizzas, go for the one with more vegetables and less cheese and meat :)
May 24 18:45:54 <Ikarus> don't care that the vegetable one is offered as diet
May 24 18:46:00 <pupnik> salads with every meal is good
May 24 18:46:03 <SpeedEvil> Ikarus: Personally, I'd go for the cheese and meat - but half the size
May 24 18:46:05 <Ikarus> pupnik: yup
May 24 18:46:09 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: also a good option
May 24 18:46:26 <Ikarus> and get creative
May 24 18:46:30 <pupnik> i should do that now
May 24 18:46:51 <Ikarus> canned soup makes for a good pasta sauce when allowed to thicken a bit, while being less then half the calories and as much vegetables
May 24 18:47:32 * DocScrutinizer51 is counting the calories of his 3 latte macchiato today, and concludes he finally needs breakfast URGENTLY
May 24 18:48:14 <SpeedEvil> As another example - stuff fried in really nice olive oil can taste a whole lot better. So much so that you may actually not miss the slightly bigger portion that much
May 24 18:56:27 <RST38h> [saidstically] SpeedEvil: BTW, fried/roasted foods are bad for you
May 24 18:56:32 <RST38h> Causing cancer
May 24 18:56:52 <SpeedEvil> On balance - being 20Kg overweight is also bad for you.
May 24 18:56:53 <RST38h> Even if you prepare a smaller amount =)
May 24 18:57:04 <RST38h> Pretty much everything in life is bad for you
May 24 18:57:17 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
May 24 18:57:18 <RST38h> That *includes* Internet. And cell phones.
May 24 18:57:35 <RST38h> And reading (bad for eyes). And walking (your spine bends).
May 24 18:57:57 <zash> And forks in eyeball!
May 24 18:58:17 <SpeedEvil> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm
May 24 18:58:29 <RST38h> zash: depends on who that eyeball belongs to
May 24 18:58:36 * RST38h cackles and goes off to get his omelette
May 24 18:59:07 * SpeedEvil prepares some special sauce for RST38hs omelette.
May 24 19:00:10 <DocScrutinizer> (fried/roasted foods are bad for you) that's why mankind vanished from earth on invention of fire :-P
May 24 19:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> so what? Live is a disease spread by sexual intercourse,  and it has a 100% lethality prognosis
May 24 19:03:43 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: there's a massive difference between fried and cooked.
May 24 19:04:03 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: and that should've been "Life", not "live"
May 24 19:04:11 <DocScrutinizer> oops
May 24 19:05:12 <crashanddie> fried foods are seriously bad. Because they are usually pre-processed foods
May 24 19:05:27 <korhojoa_> ah goddamnit
May 24 19:05:52 <korhojoa_> people, how do you compile stuff for the n900? i've been trying, but the thing just says "c++ compiler cannot create executables"
May 24 19:05:55 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: the cooking pot took quite a few 10,000 years longer to get invented than use of fire for frying meat
May 24 19:06:19 <Ikarus> korhojoa_: uh, SDK and using dpkg-buildpackage ?
May 24 19:06:22 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: except that in English, frying usually has the connotation "deep frying"
May 24 19:06:28 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: as in, cooked in boiling oil.
May 24 19:06:41 <Ikarus> fried and roasted is actually both fine
May 24 19:06:42 <SpeedEvil> Not here
May 24 19:06:54 <Ikarus> fried when done with the right oils at the right temperatures to the right foods
May 24 19:06:56 <korhojoa_> Ikarus: damnit. So I have to download that? Not possible to compile on the device?
May 24 19:07:00 <Ikarus> roasting, just about anything
May 24 19:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, that's clearly to blame to my technical English then
May 24 19:07:05 <Ikarus> korhojoa_: I wouldn't do it
May 24 19:07:11 <korhojoa_> Ikarus: why not?
May 24 19:07:12 <Ikarus> korhojoa_: but ti should in theory work
May 24 19:07:25 <Ikarus> korhojoa_: because the needed development libs take up quite soms space ?
May 24 19:07:37 <korhojoa_> it's got space on the eMMC :D
May 24 19:07:54 <Ikarus> korhojoa_: yeah, except they have to go into standard locations
May 24 19:08:44 <korhojoa_> Ikarus: links never hurt anyone
May 24 19:28:12 <GAN900> RST38h, ping?
May 24 19:34:16 <roquetto> re
May 24 19:35:29 <roquetto> question: i need to write an applicatio nwhich uses libosso-abook - im a total newbie, i suppose i need the maemo sdk, right? so my computer is x86_64 - what should I do? chroot? go for a vm?
May 24 19:35:34 <roquetto> any suggestions?
May 24 19:36:07 <Funnyface> uhm I tried that little charger adapter with my N900, using some nokia 3310 charger, the N900 says "charging" but the charging led seems to flicker and is not as bright as with the USB cable or wall charger, is that a bad thing? :>
May 24 19:37:38 <DocScrutinizer> yes, as indicator LED brightness on a booted N900 shouldn't correlate to charging voltage/current
May 24 19:38:11 <Funnyface> hmm
May 24 19:38:16 <korhojoa_> Funnyface: what also doesn't work is a usb power supply powered by 4xAAA batteries going through the pop-port data+charging cable and then through the adapter to the phone
May 24 19:38:36 <korhojoa_> it does the same thing
May 24 19:38:37 <korhojoa_> flickers
May 24 19:38:44 <korhojoa_> then after a while goes white
May 24 19:39:05 <korhojoa_> it's like it's trying, but going "ah fuck it, I give up" after a few seconds :D
May 24 19:39:16 <Funnyface> hehe
May 24 19:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> overcurrent protection of external supply?
May 24 19:39:26 <korhojoa_> doubt it
May 24 19:39:31 <loufoque> is it normal that neither pecan nor haze works for MSN? I simply can't sign in.
May 24 19:39:33 <korhojoa_> more like can't supply enough
May 24 19:39:33 <Funnyface> well I pulled off those tiny jags from the USB plug
May 24 19:39:37 <ak5> hello, can I install maemo on a droid?
May 24 19:39:38 <DocScrutinizer> with foldback
May 24 19:39:42 <Funnyface> so it doesn't put as much wear on the USB jack
May 24 19:39:56 <loufoque> ak5: not likely
May 24 19:39:58 <Funnyface> my neighbour managed to tear it off the other week
May 24 19:40:07 <korhojoa_> well that sucks
May 24 19:40:15 <ak5> loufoque: sucks, I won this thing, now I am probably gonna have to sell it
May 24 19:40:39 <Funnyface> and I have always been worried, reading about others with the same problem, so I think it was time to pull those off :p
May 24 19:40:49 <korhojoa_> ak5: you won a droid?
May 24 19:40:54 <ak5> korhojoa_: jah
May 24 19:40:55 <korhojoa_> why are you selling it then?
May 24 19:40:59 <Funnyface> oh and my external supply should be able to provide 350mA
May 24 19:41:01 <ak5> cause I want maemo
May 24 19:41:06 <korhojoa_> i mean, help get android on the n900 with it
May 24 19:41:14 <korhojoa_> hop on #nitdroid
May 24 19:41:26 <DocScrutinizer> korhojoa_: can't supply enough ~= OC-protection triggers
May 24 19:41:38 <ak5> Why would I want android? I want linux?
May 24 19:41:53 <korhojoa_> DocScrutinizer: it's not that fancy. Just got a simple voltage regulator
May 24 19:42:02 <johnsq> ak5: android is linux under the hood
May 24 19:42:16 <ak5> johnsq: I am scared of google, I want no part of it
May 24 19:42:22 <Funnyface> it's also a voltage booster
May 24 19:42:36 <DocScrutinizer> depending on characteristics of PSU it either lowers voltage until current is within limits, or it switches down completely (foldback)
May 24 19:42:49 <wall[e]> i changed the machine and forget the usb host mode channel name again no this is not my secret plan to promote the channel.
May 24 19:42:57 <korhojoa_> DocScrutinizer: it doesn't even get hot, which i'd expect it to do first before giving up
May 24 19:43:13 <wall[e]> but it's okay
May 24 19:43:24 <wall[e]> will get back to it from home
May 24 19:43:29 <korhojoa_> DocScrutinizer: then again, it could be like +50 inside temporarily and not heat up on the outside enough to be noticable
May 24 19:43:35 <DocScrutinizer> nah, a nice OC-shutdown will keep the PSU cool like ice
May 24 19:43:52 <wall[e]> anyone know a good silc client for maemo btw?
May 24 19:44:09 <wall[e]> irsii keeps segfaulting on me
May 24 19:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> and depending on type of foldback OC-prot, it either keeps off until mains power removed, or it restarts periodically
May 24 19:45:00 <DocScrutinizer> which might explain flickering
May 24 19:45:12 <Funnyface> I hate the PSUs that switch back on immediately after cutting off
May 24 19:45:24 <Funnyface> it goes into an endless loop of "power on", "power off"
May 24 19:45:47 <DocScrutinizer> yep. especially the "electronic" switched PSUs do that
May 24 19:46:32 <Kegetys> how about those that cut off and never turn on again ;)
May 24 19:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes several 10s of times / second
May 24 19:48:12 <Funnyface> DocScrutinizer: I have some power inverter, if the battery or wiring can't supply enough power to it, it cuts off, then the full supply voltage returns and recharges the capacitor in it, so it turns back on, drains the capacitor, switches off, charges capacitor, switches on.. and so on.. :>
May 24 19:49:54 <DocScrutinizer> anyway it's quite an annoyance there seems to be no decent user manual for CA-146C
May 24 19:51:01 <DocScrutinizer> not even a product specs flyer saying a bare minimum about the input voltage range and max current
May 24 19:51:18 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it didn't come inbox with my device
May 24 19:51:31 <Funnyface> US device?
May 24 19:51:42 <MohammadAG> yes, it doesn't come with us devices
May 24 19:51:50 <Funnyface> someone said that it seems like they are only shipped with euro devices
May 24 19:52:02 <MohammadAG> think it was me :P
May 24 19:52:08 <Funnyface> might have been :p
May 24 19:52:09 <tybollt_> hmmm hmm hmm
May 24 19:52:20 <tybollt_> so slate was why they bought palm
May 24 19:52:24 <tybollt_> makes sense I suppose
May 24 19:52:32 * Stskeeps sends off another mail about the 3d libraries to his TI contact
May 24 19:52:33 <tybollt_> and slate w/ webos could be a winner
May 24 19:52:49 <tybollt_> guess intel'll release a 'slate' w/ maemi too
May 24 19:53:15 <Funnyface> now I wonder if I should pull those studs off the original charger, I am a bit afraid I'll ruin it for good :(
May 24 19:54:05 <DocScrutinizer> intel presented their new processor (FZ600?) without meego, which might have caused some shouting inside Intel
May 24 19:54:33 <wall[e]> is osso-applet-screencalibration-fix compatible with default kernel?
May 24 19:55:07 <wall[e]> or i need newer kernel? I don't quite understand
May 24 19:55:11 <tybollt_> DocScrutinizer: what did it have on it then?
May 24 19:56:14 <johnsq> DocScrutinizer: what should they show? nothing!
May 24 19:56:35 <wall[e]> it only means for kernel-power i guess
May 24 19:58:00 <jimbo_> is 'flash launcher' in extras-devel? i have extras-testing and still can't see it
May 24 19:58:15 <MohammadAG> so.. it's in devel
May 24 19:58:57 <DocScrutinizer> london: 7' opentablet of OpenPeak has Moblin, 3'8 smartphone Virta Aava, Moblin & Android
May 24 19:59:19 <DocScrutinizer> the processor is Z600
May 24 20:01:46 <wall[e]> heh i never know my screen was very badly calibrated
May 24 20:01:55 * wall[e] adds a wow here
May 24 20:02:42 <pupnik> url?
May 24 20:03:04 <wall[e]> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=620086#post620086
May 24 20:03:24 <wall[e]> now i'm kicking more asses with mypaint...
May 24 20:04:30 <wall[e]> btw, i think i was wrong when mentioning that writing (as oppose to typing) is dead
May 24 20:04:40 <wall[e]> i didn't think about gesture input
May 24 20:05:00 * lcuk slaps you
May 24 20:05:16 <lcuk> wall[e], where did you say writing was dead
May 24 20:05:22 <wall[e]> hehe
May 24 20:05:48 <wall[e]> days ago when discussing touchscreen with raster
May 24 20:05:56 <lcuk> eep
May 24 20:05:59 <wall[e]> he said it was dead
May 24 20:06:03 <wall[e]> and i agreed
May 24 20:06:09 <lcuk> ahh
May 24 20:06:25 <lcuk> well HK version has hand writing recognition now
May 24 20:06:42 <wall[e]> actually writing should be a powerful tool for alternative input
May 24 20:06:52 <wall[e]> like someone did 80 wpm with some gesture?
May 24 20:06:56 <lcuk> i dont think it should, i know it is
May 24 20:07:13 <lcuk> theres swype which is completely different
May 24 20:07:52 <wall[e]> saw that before
May 24 20:08:27 <wall[e]> i kinda want x language input though
May 24 20:09:16 <lcuk> wall[e], X language ? you mean language agnostic
May 24 20:09:17 <lcuk> ?
May 24 20:09:33 <wall[e]> any language
May 24 20:10:24 <lcuk> sure but you cant expect world+dog to train it from scratch themselves.  i just write into vector sketches atm and trust that ill convert to hwr at one point
May 24 20:10:38 <wall[e]> i thought i wouldn't need thai, gf proofed that I do
May 24 20:10:44 <lcuk> for now im happy reading back my notes
May 24 20:11:22 <wall[e]> hehe
May 24 20:11:34 <wall[e]> vector sketch? like maepad?
May 24 20:11:48 <wall[e]> no xournal
May 24 20:12:10 <MohammadAG> liqbase is far more superior than those apps
May 24 20:12:38 <lcuk> wall[e], a couple of my sketches, i normally take notes but sometimes i just end up doodling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q
May 24 20:12:46 <MohammadAG> if this isn't about liqbase, then i'll go back to house
May 24 20:13:07 <MohammadAG> on an unrelated note, scp is slow
May 24 20:13:11 <wall[e]> cool
May 24 20:13:22 <lcuk> MohammadAG, scp is slow
May 24 20:13:27 <MohammadAG> or... the CPU is slow and can't decrypt as fast as the i5
May 24 20:13:33 <lcuk> not normally noticable for small files
May 24 20:13:34 <zash> MohammadAG: tarpipe!
May 24 20:13:36 <wall[e]> you are terminator
May 24 20:13:49 <wall[e]> your eye bright in laser
May 24 20:13:53 <lcuk> lol
May 24 20:13:58 <lcuk> thats n900-n900 recording
May 24 20:13:59 <MohammadAG> zash, i'm not compressing it
May 24 20:14:09 <zash> MohammadAG: hu?
May 24 20:14:10 <wall[e]> ok
May 24 20:14:18 <MohammadAG> tar?
May 24 20:14:26 <lcuk> wall[e], http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjDEvXueO0I&feature=related
May 24 20:14:30 <wall[e]> it looks cool at first sight
May 24 20:14:33 <lcuk> that is more of how i use sketching
May 24 20:14:37 <wall[e]> i'll play with it, thanks a lot
May 24 20:15:03 <MohammadAG> lcuk, can't check vids, did you get it compiled for the N900?
May 24 20:15:03 <zash> MohammadAG: I meant tar cf - files | netcat reciver $RANDOMPORT and netcat -l $SAMERANDOMPORT | tar xf -
May 24 20:15:14 <lcuk> MohammadAG, which
May 24 20:15:24 <MohammadAG> liqsketch
May 24 20:15:28 <wall[e]> wonder why i never know this app
May 24 20:15:39 <wall[e]> it looks just great
May 24 20:15:43 <MohammadAG> zash, that compresses it, sends it, and decopresses it on device right?
May 24 20:15:45 <lcuk> because i havent pushed recently because ive been busy with things
May 24 20:15:50 <zash> MohammadAG: for great justice! http://p.zash.se/2aheXg.txt
May 24 20:16:00 <lcuk> and its not quite integrated enough (or wasnt)
May 24 20:16:10 <zash> MohammadAG: no, but if you add a z or j flag to both tar's
May 24 20:16:20 <wall[e]> i see
May 24 20:17:19 <MohammadAG> zash, basically i have a 23MB lzma, i copied it to the i5, decompressed, and i'm copying it back
May 24 20:17:37 <lcuk> wall[e], liqflow is in extras, install it and see the integration issues
May 24 20:17:42 <lcuk> and have fun playing
May 24 20:18:45 <wall[e]> i played with liqflow
May 24 20:19:16 <wall[e]> before i reflash, i didn't install it again, i didn't install much after reflash
May 24 20:20:08 <wall[e]> just something i actually need, i keep playing n900 and didn't do anything that is actually useful for month because of it
May 24 20:20:23 <zash> MohammadAG: huh? just wanted to say that tarpipeing is great if one don't want to waste cpu on compression or encryption
May 24 20:22:22 <wall[e]> carbon theme is so beautiful
May 24 20:22:30 <wall[e]> imho
May 24 20:22:42 <MohammadAG> zash, too late now ;) thanks though
May 24 20:23:53 <embedded> Hi all
May 24 20:24:46 <RST38h> wall: has got a few warts though
May 24 20:25:49 <wall[e]> RST38h: carbon theme?
May 24 20:26:31 * wall[e] is confused :)
May 24 20:28:25 <embedded> Who can help me to solve a issue with Maemo Autobuilder?
May 24 20:29:22 <RST38h> wall[e]: look at the volume control in the video player
May 24 20:29:28 <RST38h> and position control too
May 24 20:29:41 <embedded> no one??? plz
May 24 20:33:16 <wall[e]> RST38h: i see, i only use mplayer though
May 24 20:33:43 <wall[e]> still devel it seems
May 24 20:34:14 <embedded> no Maemo developers are present at the moment?
May 24 20:34:28 <wall[e]> embedded: may be you could just ask the question?
May 24 20:34:46 <wall[e]> no i am not a developer
May 24 20:35:05 <embedded> well
May 24 20:36:24 <embedded> I have sent to the Maemo autobuilder engine a port of a program
May 24 20:36:49 <embedded> but while executing on the server the ./configure script
May 24 20:37:00 <embedded> I get the following error:
May 24 20:37:06 <embedded> checking where the gettext function comes from... libc
May 24 20:37:07 <embedded> checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... no
May 24 20:37:09 <embedded> configure: error: * Can't find SDL library: http://www.libsdl.org
May 24 20:37:10 <embedded> make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1
May 24 20:37:55 <embedded> It seems that no SDL libraries are installed on autobuilder, is that possible??? No issues under scratchbox.
May 24 20:38:11 <embedded> any help guys?
May 24 20:38:13 <wall[e]> do you need sdl-dev whatever?
May 24 20:38:21 <wall[e]> look for test.c
May 24 20:38:40 <wall[e]> the script that configure used to cause the error
May 24 20:38:50 <wall[e]> in configure
May 24 20:38:57 <Stskeeps> embedded: you need to build-dep on it
May 24 20:38:57 <wall[e]> it should create on the fly
May 24 20:39:50 <wall[e]> (conftest.c btw)
May 24 20:39:56 <embedded> Stskeeps: hi, can you explain further?
May 24 20:40:04 <Stskeeps> embedded: look into debian Build-Depends:
May 24 20:40:15 <Stskeeps> if it cant find sdl, it's cos you didn't build-dep on it
May 24 20:40:16 <Stskeeps> :P
May 24 20:41:15 <embedded> yup! I just added the SDL lib but not the devel too
May 24 20:41:22 <ufa> Hi!
May 24 20:41:30 <ufa> I had the micro-usb loose issue
May 24 20:41:52 <ufa> should I try to send it to USA or try to fix it locally (Brazil)?
May 24 20:41:54 <wall[e]> you can check if you have sdl header files too
May 24 20:42:10 <ufa> just a offtopic question, if I may :)
May 24 20:42:27 <MohammadAG> not really off topic
May 24 20:42:34 <MohammadAG> but i'd try locally
May 24 20:42:41 <ufa> MohammadAG Why?
May 24 20:42:52 <ufa> I was wondering if I wouyld get a brand new n900
May 24 20:42:54 <MohammadAG> cause i'm quite impatient ;)
May 24 20:43:03 <ufa> and with usb fixed
May 24 20:43:12 <MohammadAG> or they might do a "light swap"
May 24 20:43:18 <MohammadAG> which is a mobo swap
May 24 20:43:23 <ufa> MohammadAG hum
May 24 20:43:30 <MohammadAG> question though, did the usb come out or is it just loose?
May 24 20:43:36 <ufa> out
May 24 20:43:44 <MohammadAG> :/
May 24 20:43:45 <ufa> first it got loose
May 24 20:43:53 <ufa> and I sent it to local Nokia service
May 24 20:44:09 <ufa> and they said that this phone is not recoverable here
May 24 20:44:29 <MohammadAG> send it to the US then
May 24 20:44:38 <ufa> and returned to me with the usb connector out
May 24 20:44:50 <wall[e]> sue.
May 24 20:44:52 <wall[e]> :)
May 24 20:44:54 <ufa> Yeah, I think it is the best bet :/
May 24 20:45:02 <MohammadAG> wow
May 24 20:45:08 <MohammadAG> they returned the connector?
May 24 20:45:22 <ufa> wall[e] >> that should be the most slow process :)
May 24 20:45:34 <ufa> MohammadAG >> yes they did
May 24 20:45:47 <MohammadAG> that's kinda... low lol
May 24 20:46:23 <MohammadAG> infobot, maemosdk
May 24 20:46:24 <infobot> [maemosdk] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
May 24 20:46:29 <MohammadAG> infobot, thanks
May 24 20:46:29 <infobot> MohammadAG: de nada
May 24 20:47:38 <ufa> MohammadAG >> well, I will ship it to usa as soon as I can make a back up of my stuff then...
May 24 20:47:55 <MohammadAG> tbh that sucks
May 24 20:48:51 <ufa> MohammadAG >> indeed
May 24 20:49:42 <lejonet> What am I doing wrong when I am trying to use the FRISCO bin found in the wiki for N900 to flash my kernel and the flasher outputs the right things, but after it says "booting device into flash mode" it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting", I havent waited long enough with the 'u' key pressed?
May 24 20:50:33 <wall[e]> must sleep, bibi
May 24 20:53:39 <mintux1> does file manager support ftp or sftp I would like to connect my pc and get files
May 24 20:58:25 <mintux1> can I mount ssh to file manager ?
May 24 20:58:59 <crashanddie> mintux1: how about you try and google shit instead of asking all the time
May 24 20:59:35 <crashanddie> mintux1: you're seriously starting to annoy people in this channel.
May 24 21:00:30 <mintux1>  crashanddie: how do you know I don't do that
May 24 21:01:35 <mintux1>  crashanddie: I don't remember you answer any my question . so please speak from you self not everyone in this channel
May 24 21:01:38 <lcuk> mintux1, sshfs is what you would need to create a file system branch, but im not even sure (a) if its on n900, and (b) whether you can map to the MyDocs
May 24 21:01:42 <crashanddie> mintux1: because if you googled "maemo mount ssh" you'd find half a million hits
May 24 21:01:56 <mintux1> I didn't know I can mount ssh
May 24 21:02:10 <mintux1> and I see it now here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24135&highlight=sftp
May 24 21:02:12 <zaheerm-lp> you asked "can I mount ssh" :)
May 24 21:02:21 <DocScrutinizer51> ~tell mintux1 about question
May 24 21:02:37 <lcuk> hold on, he did ask that
May 24 21:02:38 <mintux1> and I'm looking for software
May 24 21:02:42 <lcuk> <mintux1> can I mount ssh to file manager ?
May 24 21:04:07 <lejonet> Hmm, what is the average time you'd have to wait for it to boot into flash mode?
May 24 21:04:27 <DocScrutinizer51> 3s
May 24 21:04:30 <lcuk> lejonet, i dunno i have my machine upside down
May 24 21:05:03 <lcuk> remove battery, plug in usb leads, start flasher, wait till it says 'device not detected', put in battery, profit
May 24 21:05:06 <lejonet> lcuk: That made sense... :P
May 24 21:05:08 <MohammadAG> while inserting the battery
May 24 21:05:15 <MohammadAG> yes it did
May 24 21:05:17 <MohammadAG> :P
May 24 21:05:18 <mintux1> lcuk: if I know it's possible to mount ssh it's not need ask here and search in maemo forum . in my ubuntu I have connect to in nautilus and use this . I didn't know what should I look for
May 24 21:05:35 <Appiah> apt-get install sshfs
May 24 21:05:46 <lcuk> mintux1, the file manager installed by default on maemo just views the MyDocs folder
May 24 21:05:54 <lejonet> MohammadAG: I'll give it a whirl, right now it is just stuck with the Nokia logo on a white background and the USB icon in the right upper corner
May 24 21:06:04 <lcuk> so if you make a sshfs mountpoint within there you should be able to browse normally with it
May 24 21:06:08 <Appiah> sshfs myuser@atsomeremotehost:/path/to/dir /path/to/my/mountpoint
May 24 21:06:13 <lcuk> but i dont know if sshfs is available as i said
May 24 21:06:24 <Appiah> well I have it
May 24 21:06:30 <lcuk> good
May 24 21:06:41 <Appiah> dunno which repo it came from ...
May 24 21:06:49 <Appiah> think its in extra
May 24 21:06:51 <MohammadAG> lejonet, which OS?
May 24 21:07:01 <lejonet> MohammadAG: it is an N900, so Maemo 5 I think
May 24 21:07:11 <MohammadAG> PC side...
May 24 21:07:19 <lejonet> oh :P Sorry, Linux
May 24 21:07:28 <MohammadAG> distro?
May 24 21:07:46 <lejonet> Ubuntu atm, it is doing the same thing with my 32-bit chroot in Gentoo tho :/
May 24 21:07:52 <MohammadAG> Ubuntu 10.04 has problems detecting my N900
May 24 21:07:58 <lejonet> It is 9.04
May 24 21:08:04 <MohammadAG> hmm
May 24 21:08:11 <MohammadAG> shouldn't cause probs
May 24 21:08:14 <MohammadAG> do as lcuk said
May 24 21:08:30 <MohammadAG> remove battery, plug usb, execute command, plug in battery
May 24 21:08:32 <lejonet> I have, I have just now started the flasher and it is at Suitable USB device not found
May 24 21:08:40 <lejonet> Battery removed
May 24 21:08:43 <MohammadAG> plug the battery
May 24 21:08:49 <MohammadAG> with the usb connected
May 24 21:09:57 <DocScrutinizer51> *sometimes* even a boot of host PC (eeeeeww) might help
May 24 21:10:14 <lejonet> Yeah, it reacted with going to the start screen with the nokia logo, and a quick flash of the usb logo in the corner and then it went into the bootloop it seems like
May 24 21:10:21 <MohammadAG> you lost me after boot
May 24 21:10:59 <MohammadAG> lejonet, sure the usb is connected to the PC? (i spent half an hour trying different methods then noticed it wasn't connected)
May 24 21:11:07 <ZogG> MohammadAG go to sleep you have exam tomorroqw
May 24 21:11:15 <MohammadAG> oh i forgot
May 24 21:11:22 <MohammadAG> it's at 1:30 anyways
May 24 21:11:25 <DocScrutinizer51> /kick MohammadAG
May 24 21:11:41 <lejonet> MohammadAG: Yes, 100% positive, I can try another USB port if that might do something?
May 24 21:11:43 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, do it!
May 24 21:11:53 <MohammadAG> that helps sometimes
May 24 21:12:04 <lejonet> One thing to note is that I did not press the 'u' button when I had inserted the battery
May 24 21:12:11 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, if you don't do it i'll do it
May 24 21:12:16 <MohammadAG> lejonet, you don't need to
May 24 21:12:37 <lejonet> MohammadAG: Hmm, what am I doing wrong then?
May 24 21:12:46 <MohammadAG> i have no idea
May 24 21:12:47 <MohammadAG> umm
May 24 21:12:51 <DocScrutinizer51> lejonet: please also read the wiki
May 24 21:12:53 <MohammadAG> do the routine u thing
May 24 21:12:56 <MohammadAG> and check dmesg
May 24 21:13:04 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer51: I have, it is not that detailed :/
May 24 21:13:20 <MohammadAG> anyone good at sketching?
May 24 21:13:28 <MohammadAG> need N900 sketches
May 24 21:13:28 <lcuk> lejonet, did the flasher tool change from saying device not detected?
May 24 21:13:34 <MohammadAG> the wiki needs to have them
May 24 21:13:43 <MohammadAG> lcuk, nope
May 24 21:13:44 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: a few guys on TMO are very good -- made on N900 as well
May 24 21:13:49 <DocScrutinizer51> err it's not? I posted a quote from flasher README lately
May 24 21:13:50 <lejonet> lcuk: Yes, and then went back to saying device not detected
May 24 21:14:01 <lcuk> what did it say?
May 24 21:14:07 <MohammadAG> went back?
May 24 21:14:33 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, I wanted slightly detailed N900 sketches :)
May 24 21:14:46 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/Slaxe/Boy2.jpg
May 24 21:14:50 <MohammadAG> not those kind of sketches
May 24 21:14:51 <MohammadAG> umm sec
May 24 21:14:59 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: if they can draw that on a N900, they can draw an n900
May 24 21:15:17 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, good point :)
May 24 21:15:29 <lejonet> it said USB device found and where, found the device RX-51 and hw revision, NOLO version, Version of sw release and then "Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting"
May 24 21:16:00 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: this guy seems to do inanimate objects as well: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656621&postcount=58
May 24 21:16:17 <mece> uf I feel inspired to do a little programming perhaps..
May 24 21:17:20 <lejonet> ... siigh, I guess that is what I get for playing around with that power user kernel -.-
May 24 21:17:42 <MohammadAG> it shouldn't touch NOLO
May 24 21:17:48 <MohammadAG> afaik it can't touch NOLO...
May 24 21:18:18 <lejonet> Well it only lists the version of NOLO
May 24 21:18:25 <lejonet> 1.4.14
May 24 21:18:31 <MohammadAG> meaning nolo exists
May 24 21:18:41 <MohammadAG> which means it should go into flashing mode
May 24 21:18:55 <lejonet> Well it does say that it is booting the device into flash mode
May 24 21:18:59 <MohammadAG> actually it is in flashing mode, your PC isn't detecting it for reason
May 24 21:19:22 <lejonet> Yeah, something goes wrong when it boots to flash mode
May 24 21:19:43 <MohammadAG> check dmesg
May 24 21:19:47 <MohammadAG> on your PC
May 24 21:19:55 <lejonet> Because that is when the computer outputs "Suitable device not found, waiting." Again
May 24 21:20:59 <lejonet> It notices an new high speed USB device, choses configuration and then USB is disconnected ad infinitum
May 24 21:21:12 <lejonet> The USB address is incremented each time
May 24 21:21:39 <lcuk> lejonet, reboot laptop
May 24 21:21:53 * MohammadAG backspaces
May 24 21:21:54 <lcuk> windows fix! :D
May 24 21:22:14 <MohammadAG> lcuk, not while it's doing something to the registry :P
May 24 21:22:21 <lejonet> lcuk: Yeah, ubuntu is a bit like that sometimes :P
May 24 21:22:32 <lcuk> mine only allows me to flash once
May 24 21:22:37 <lcuk> then says its busy with usb
May 24 21:23:02 <lejonet> Time to do the same procedure with an newly rebooted computer
May 24 21:23:07 <MohammadAG> i have to take the battery out on my i5
May 24 21:23:18 <MohammadAG> but my lappy works fine
May 24 21:23:22 <lcuk> you have to disconnect form the internet
May 24 21:23:31 <lcuk> from
May 24 21:23:36 <lejonet> lcuk: I am doing it from another computer :P
May 24 21:23:44 <lcuk> cheat
May 24 21:23:49 <MohammadAG> lol
May 24 21:23:59 * lejonet loves that he has an Eee 900 that he bought dead cheap as a victim :P
May 24 21:24:17 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-05-24 23:09:57] <DocScrutinizer51> *sometimes* even a boot of host PC (eeeeeww) might help
May 24 21:24:22 <MohammadAG> victim of what lol
May 24 21:24:24 <lejonet> I think I paid around 110$ for it :P
May 24 21:24:30 <lejonet> MohammadAG: My experiments :P
May 24 21:24:48 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer: Yes we know, just wanted to rule out other possibilities first
May 24 21:25:13 <lejonet> :P
May 24 21:25:27 <DocScrutinizer> as soon as your host PC modprobes some drivers for USB that don't behave, you're pretty busted. Reboot!
May 24 21:25:34 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, this episode of house reminds me of you xD
May 24 21:27:23 <lejonet> Hmm, this time when doing the same thing it doesnt find the device even :/
May 24 21:27:42 <loufoque> what is PR1.2?
May 24 21:27:47 <tripzero> noone knows
May 24 21:27:50 <loufoque> I see that everywhere on the net
May 24 21:28:08 <tripzero> just ignore it and it'll go away
May 24 21:28:31 <DocScrutinizer> A placebo made by Bayer
May 24 21:29:04 <MohammadAG> lol
May 24 21:29:09 <MohammadAG> battery low
May 24 21:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~pr.1.2
May 24 21:29:14 <lejonet> MohammadAG: It doesnt react to the 'u' key method thingy now either :/
May 24 21:29:17 <DocScrutinizer> ~pr1.2
May 24 21:29:18 <infobot> i heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 24 21:29:27 <MohammadAG> lejonet, rereboot?
May 24 21:29:36 <lejonet> MohammadAG: siiigh :P
May 24 21:29:48 <MohammadAG> lejonet, use your current PC?
May 24 21:30:04 <lejonet> MohammadAG: I guess I could try that again
May 24 21:30:49 <loufoque> I'm not asking when it's coming, I'm asking what the hell it is
May 24 21:31:05 <lejonet> An update
May 24 21:31:30 <loufoque> that I could deduce.
May 24 21:31:39 <DocScrutinizer> lejonet: you've read http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing ?
May 24 21:31:44 <MohammadAG> it ends world hunger
May 24 21:31:47 <MohammadAG> but seriously...
May 24 21:31:54 <loufoque> but what are its important improvements
May 24 21:31:56 <MohammadAG> it includes Qt4.6.2
May 24 21:32:02 <MohammadAG> and other bug fixes
May 24 21:32:11 <MohammadAG> it's pretty overhyped if you ask me
May 24 21:32:16 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer: Yes, a few times
May 24 21:32:46 <DocScrutinizer> lejonet: seen the >>from README_Flasher-3.5_beta coming with the flasher dowload tgz:<< quote?
May 24 21:33:07 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer: THe one about the removing try and stuff?
May 24 21:33:12 <lejonet> battery*
May 24 21:35:44 <lejonet> With my gentoo computer it atleast notices what vendorid and such and what it is, Nokia USB ROM
May 24 21:35:56 <lejonet> but then after it gets to all that it disconnects
May 24 21:36:01 <loufoque> MohammadAG: ok, nothing major then
May 24 21:36:08 <DocScrutinizer> lejonet: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#Linux all the way thru >>from README_Flasher-3.5_beta coming with the flasher dowload tgz:<< until (and maybe including) http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image
May 24 21:36:33 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer: That is the procedure I am trying to do
May 24 21:36:40 <GAN900> crashanddie, how goes the job search?
May 24 21:36:50 <DocScrutinizer> these are actually TWO slightly different methods
May 24 21:37:17 <DocScrutinizer> both seem to work, if your PC doesn't throw sticks at your legs
May 24 21:37:30 <loufoque> anyone knows I can tell maemo to use the GPS for the clock? GPSJinni reports the correct time, but the time reported by maemo (which I assume is that of GSM) is completely off
May 24 21:37:36 <lejonet> Yeah, like mine apparently like to do
May 24 21:37:41 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, he can't flash anything if he isn't in flashing mode
May 24 21:37:44 <MohammadAG> HOWEVER
May 24 21:37:58 <MohammadAG> flashing the kernel while the device is in any mode worksforme
May 24 21:38:00 <MohammadAG> battery low
May 24 21:38:59 <ptl> Does changing the default theme for any theme whatsoever makes the use of memory increase?
May 24 21:39:02 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: he clearly stated all the indicators he IS in flashing mode
May 24 21:40:30 <lejonet> Well lets try all this with a fresh  reboot of this PC too
May 24 21:40:31 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, wasn't it the opposite?
May 24 21:40:39 <MohammadAG> or actually the pc doesn't detect it
May 24 21:40:45 <DocScrutinizer> alas even when N900 enters flashing mode correctly, some PC OS prefer to occupy the USB by greedy drivers that block the flasher. That's my take on it
May 24 21:41:08 <MohammadAG> ubuntu shouldn't do that
May 24 21:41:40 <mintux1> my some folder icons like images/ camera/documents / video clips are repeat twice is it a bug ? http://img6.tinypic.info/files/3g36q48l12ymjs2gy6e8.png
May 24 21:41:57 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG:  <lejonet> it said USB device found and where, found the device RX-51 and hw revision, NOLO version, Version of sw release and then "Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting"
May 24 21:42:46 <lejonet> Well, lets try this from CLI in gentoo then
May 24 21:42:54 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, last part :)
May 24 21:43:03 <lejonet> Less things loaded, less things the computer is occupied with :P
May 24 21:43:05 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, problem is his PC, not the N900
May 24 21:43:19 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-05-24 23:05:54] <lejonet> MohammadAG: I'll give it a whirl, right now it is just stuck with the Nokia logo on a white background and the USB icon in the right upper corner
May 24 21:44:10 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: Did I claim anything different?
May 24 21:45:04 <lejonet> Well, the flasher aint reacting that way anymore...
May 24 21:45:22 <DocScrutinizer> btw, sometimes some users thanked me for that...
May 24 21:45:31 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: sleep!
May 24 21:46:53 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer: could the fact that I am doing this in a 32-bit chroot from an AMD64-bit system without multilib affect the whole thing?
May 24 21:47:35 <DocScrutinizer> yes, for sure
May 24 21:47:53 <lejonet> Well the only 32-bit system I have is my Eee 900 with ubuntu 9.04
May 24 21:48:19 <lejonet> And even there it stopped reacting on it...
May 24 21:48:25 <DocScrutinizer> USB access is wacky from all virtual and chroot environments
May 24 21:48:39 <ptl> what about theming? Does it use more memory?
May 24 21:49:02 <lejonet> ptl: No, unless the new theme has more animated stuff I guess
May 24 21:49:42 <DocScrutinizer> lejonet: a silly question - you're starting flasher on PC under root?
May 24 21:49:50 <ptl> lejonet: hmmm, k, thx
May 24 21:49:51 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer: Yes :P
May 24 21:49:56 <DocScrutinizer> kk
May 24 21:50:18 <lejonet> on ubuntu PC it was with sudo, in chroot I am root by default
May 24 21:50:43 <MohammadAG> grrr
May 24 21:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> lejonet: yeah, but only for your "virtual" chrooted devices
May 24 21:51:09 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer: Well I started the chroot as root too
May 24 21:51:11 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG, go to sleep!!!
May 24 21:51:20 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, the sleep bit killed my N900
May 24 21:51:33 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 24 21:51:45 <DocScrutinizer> YOU should sleep, not your N900 ;-P
May 24 21:51:48 <lejonet> I need to get my N900 to work, it is mine alarm clock lol :P
May 24 21:52:05 <tripzero> +1 for the n900 alarm clock
May 24 21:52:17 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, you did the wrong command then
May 24 21:52:38 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I'm running short of options
May 24 21:52:41 <MohammadAG> my body's ssh server runs on a port ouside the range
May 24 21:54:00 <lejonet> Luckily I still have my work phone, but I kinda need my N900 to work lol :P
May 24 21:54:19 <lejonet> I guess I should let it charge the battery over the night and bash at it again tomorrow, it is late
May 24 21:54:22 <MohammadAG> lol
May 24 21:54:24 <DocScrutinizer> lejonet: you might want to check lsmod and see if you find any suspicious drivers to modprobe -r. But that's no cooking receipe for beginners
May 24 21:54:50 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer: I think i'll manage, been running gentoo for 2 years :P
May 24 21:54:51 <DocScrutinizer> on your host PC
May 24 21:55:41 <DocScrutinizer> things like cdc_ether, *_nokia* etc come to mind
May 24 21:55:56 <DocScrutinizer> see what keeps usb locked
May 24 21:56:15 <lejonet> Well the only USB mods in lsmod was bluetooth related stuff
May 24 21:56:25 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 24 21:57:02 <DocScrutinizer> mass_storage
May 24 21:57:13 <lejonet> I have that compiled in the kernel
May 24 21:57:13 <DocScrutinizer> dunno what else
May 24 21:57:14 <mece> is attila ever on here?
May 24 21:57:35 <mece> ~seen attila77
May 24 21:57:41 <infobot> i haven't seen 'attila77', mece
May 24 21:57:42 <mece> hmm
May 24 21:57:43 <lejonet> I'll give it a go tomorrow, i'll use my workphone as alarm clock tonight
May 24 21:57:59 * lejonet is glad he forgot to leave it at work
May 24 21:58:27 <lejonet> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, lcuk: Thank you for your attempts to help me, I will probably be back tomorrow :P
May 24 21:58:34 <DocScrutinizer> yw
May 24 21:58:39 <MohammadAG> np :)
May 24 21:58:39 <lejonet> With a fresh brain (hopefully) and some more time
May 24 21:59:13 * lejonet sometimes wishes he didn't fiddled with every electronic device he gets across :P
May 24 22:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> nah, that's why we buy those gadgets after all
May 24 22:04:59 <lejonet> Very true
May 24 22:05:48 <lejonet> I doubt this goes under warranty either :P I did afterall cause it myself with untested software (It all happened when I tried to uninstall the "Enhanced linux kernel for power users")
May 24 22:06:15 <GAN900> mece, achipa
May 24 22:06:23 <mece> yees?
May 24 22:06:32 <mece> aah
May 24 22:06:32 <mece> ok
May 24 22:06:37 <mece> attila is achipa?
May 24 22:06:44 <mece> ~seen achipa
May 24 22:06:46 <infobot> achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 46m 10s ago, saying: 'if there are any extra fixes in there, they could have been just as well applied to libqt4-maemo5'.
May 24 22:06:51 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-05-24 23:11:07] <ZogG> MohammadAG go to sleep you have exam tomorroqw
May 24 22:06:52 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-05-24 23:11:14] <MohammadAG> oh i forgot
May 24 22:06:57 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-05-24 23:11:25] <DocScrutinizer51> /kick MohammadAG
May 24 22:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-05-24 23:11:43] <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, do it!
May 24 22:07:38 <MohammadAG> meh
May 24 22:08:11 <DocScrutinizer> any questions, Mr Watson?
May 24 22:08:25 <satmd> mh. trying it here, too.... anyone familiar with maps generation in png? just state boundaries + marked positions?
May 24 22:09:30 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil *might*
May 24 22:09:36 <satmd> ok, have something
May 24 22:09:43 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, got our vicodin?
May 24 22:09:44 <MohammadAG> :P
May 24 22:09:59 <MohammadAG> your* lol
May 24 22:10:19 <DocScrutinizer> since 3, 6th season I'm clean ;-P
May 24 22:11:09 <DocScrutinizer> (though I guess I'm cheating)
May 24 22:11:42 <SpeedEvil> satmd: #osm
May 24 22:11:49 <SpeedEvil> satmd: over on irc.oftc.net
May 24 22:12:07 <SpeedEvil> I just woke up - what?
May 24 22:12:09 * DocScrutinizer waiting for crashanddie telling it's not been 6,3, and the exact name of the episode
May 24 22:12:17 <satmd> thx
May 24 22:14:28 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: a good time to wake up, it's actually nice outside (though I'm a few 100km away from you, so can't know for sure what's your weather)
May 24 22:15:05 <SpeedEvil> 9C and cloudy
May 24 22:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> eeeeqw
May 24 22:15:17 <DocScrutinizer> 19° here
May 24 22:15:24 <DocScrutinizer> 3/4
May 24 22:25:35 <mece> hey does maemo-optify make synlinks to binaries?
May 24 22:25:38 <mece> sym even
May 24 22:27:28 <lbt> is 1.2 out yet then?
May 24 22:27:46 <mece> ~pr1.2
May 24 22:27:47 <infobot> i heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 24 22:28:10 <lbt> aw
May 24 22:28:30 <FauxFaux> Surely the device will notify when there's updates..?
May 24 22:28:43 <mece> it will
May 24 22:29:17 <mece> but It only checks like once a day, so unless you go poking at the app manager it wont notice right away.
May 24 22:29:44 <FauxFaux> Oh no!
May 24 22:30:09 <jacekowski> http://leanmeanfightingmachine.posterous.com/welsh-asda-pizza-complaint
May 24 22:31:59 <mece> building wesnoth.. hopefully optified this time..
May 24 22:33:02 <ponyofdeath> anyone know of an good prog to share the 3g connections through the wifi with the power kernel?
May 24 22:33:16 <DocScrutinizer> 23:59 worst case not noticing a fresh new version -*unbearable*!!11!!!1!!!
May 24 22:34:09 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I bet you'll notice when the internets go mad over it
May 24 22:34:26 <DocScrutinizer> will take an estimated 79s
May 24 22:34:54 <mece> I've managed to package a lot of things already, but I'm still baffled amount of trouble it causes.
May 24 22:35:07 <mece> yeah :D
May 24 22:35:56 <Dima202> Mobile HotSpot
May 24 22:36:12 <DocScrutinizer> yoghurtsport?
May 24 22:36:22 <DocScrutinizer> errr...
May 24 22:37:47 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: did you say that the rumoured date was wednesday?
May 24 22:37:59 <DocScrutinizer> nah, not me
May 24 22:38:05 <crashanddie> MohammadAG:
May 24 22:38:09 <crashanddie> did you?
May 24 22:38:22 <DocScrutinizer> I hope he's asleep
May 24 22:38:34 <crashanddie> because I just remembered something
May 24 22:38:43 <crashanddie> Wednesday's my birthday :)
May 24 22:38:57 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, sec
May 24 22:39:03 <DocScrutinizer> there was even a URL to a blog about a facebook post in this chan today
May 24 22:39:22 <MohammadAG> http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/nokia-n900-pr-1-2-firmware-coming-this-wednesday/ crashanddie
May 24 22:39:25 <crashanddie> hang on, a blog about a facebook post?
May 24 22:39:31 <MohammadAG> sadly
May 24 22:39:39 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 24 22:39:42 <MohammadAG> I said it was a rumor
May 24 22:40:09 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, a friend of the father of my granny's dog heard somebody wispering...
May 24 22:40:21 <crashanddie> damn
May 24 22:40:27 <crashanddie> would be nice for my bday though
May 24 22:40:33 <SpeedEvil> I have also - really - heard comments it's 'happening soon' from someone who knows someone.
May 24 22:40:53 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: sure, and i was told pr1.2 was definitely coming out before pr1.3
May 24 22:40:55 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, I hear it's coming before January
May 24 22:41:23 * SpeedEvil looks over at January.
May 24 22:41:44 * SpeedEvil sets vibrate mode.
May 24 22:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: I doubt even that ;-P
May 24 22:43:06 <DocScrutinizer> now if nokia had good marketing dudes, thy'd rename the thing to 2.0 anyway
May 24 22:43:32 <SpeedEvil> Look at how much better web 2.0 is.
May 24 22:43:42 <DocScrutinizer> "see, it took a while, but now we're up with something really fresh and new"
May 24 22:44:43 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, yeah, I have facebook now, that thing has been of so much use to me...
May 24 22:44:45 <DocScrutinizer> "1.2 wasn't that great, and we felt we owe our custumers nothing less than the best, so here it is: PR2.0"
May 24 22:46:26 <DocScrutinizer> >>music, cheerleaders dancing across your N900 screen<<
May 24 22:46:41 <SpeedEvil> They'll break it!
May 24 22:46:57 <SpeedEvil> I lost my last laptop that way.
May 24 22:47:27 <DocScrutinizer> they were drilled ;-) in a whatdoyacallit-camp
May 24 22:47:59 <DocScrutinizer> on thin polar ice
May 24 22:49:11 <DocScrutinizer> that's why it took so long - in winter the ice is too strong
May 24 22:49:33 <DocScrutinizer> they wouldn't learn how to treat the LCD nicely
May 24 22:51:52 <zaheerm-lp> lardman, you had an issue with gl_FUNC_ARGZ macro finding in scratchbox when compiling libchamplain, did you ever fix it?
May 24 22:55:24 <DocScrutinizer> btw, SpeedEvil - you got strange hobbies. Having cheerleaders step on your laptop screen ;-P
May 24 22:56:13 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, generally you tend to let cheerleaders do pretty much what they want
May 24 22:57:15 <lcuk> pr1.2 has gotten boobie shots anyway
May 24 22:57:23 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 24 22:57:40 <DocScrutinizer> to scare steve I guess
May 24 22:57:57 <FauxFaux> What it needs is a catchy name.  How about "Froyo"?
May 24 22:58:30 <DocScrutinizer> sound like my dog's food
May 24 22:58:50 <DocScrutinizer> (though I got no dog anyway :-D )
May 24 23:00:46 <DocScrutinizer> aah: side note http://www.fremantlemedia.com/home.aspx
May 24 23:01:24 <loufoque> is there an app that automatically hacks WEP networks?
May 24 23:01:26 <loufoque> that would be cool
May 24 23:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> it's called aircrack
May 24 23:03:14 <DocScrutinizer> extras-devel iirc
May 24 23:05:57 <DocScrutinizer> but it doesn't "hack", it does a security audit ;-)
May 24 23:06:31 <DocScrutinizer> and it has a bug :-S
May 24 23:08:21 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't support xkcd-config?
May 24 23:35:41 <loufoque_> what's best, butterfly, pecan or haze?
May 24 23:35:44 <loufoque_> for msn
May 24 23:47:29 <opdf2> How long is Dataviz ToGo Suite trial?
May 24 23:48:05 <opdf2> oh nm premium coming soon, I'll wait for that
May 24 23:49:24 <Arkenoi> DtG sucks
May 24 23:49:29 <Arkenoi> well, it is fast
May 24 23:49:35 <Arkenoi> but maemo version is outdated
May 24 23:49:45 <Arkenoi> and i doubt there will be update soon
May 24 23:56:49 <Psi> does samba (server) work ok on n900?  I see it in the repo
May 24 23:58:54 <accessdenied5k> hi ich habe mal ne frage jemand da ?
May 24 23:59:00 <accessdenied5k> or english ?
May 24 23:59:11 <Ikarus> accessdenied5k: English would be more practical
May 24 23:59:15 <Psi> ^
May 24 23:59:49 <accessdenied5k> sorry for me english i have question i have the apad can i make maemo installed ?
May 25 00:00:07 <accessdenied5k> http://www.ipmart.com/main/product/APad,China,iPad,,7,0,Inch,Touch,Screen,Tablet,PC,MID,Entertainment,and,Internet,Device,,With,OS,Android,1,5,,,Silver,204092.php?prod=204092
May 25 00:00:47 <Ikarus> accessdenied5k: I'm afraid your on your own with that
May 25 00:00:52 <Ikarus> though it might be possible
May 25 00:01:19 <Psi> its possible, but you'd need to write lots of code to get it all working
May 25 00:01:38 <accessdenied5k> ahhh okay
May 25 00:02:22 <MohammadAG> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory any ideas?
May 25 00:02:35 <Ikarus> MohammadAG: by default bash isn't installed
May 25 00:02:41 <Ikarus> run chroot /bin/sh ?
May 25 00:02:43 <Ikarus> err
May 25 00:02:44 <MohammadAG> Ikarus, on my PC
May 25 00:02:57 <Ikarus> MohammadAG: errr, install bash ? heck, wonder why you lack it
May 25 00:03:10 <MohammadAG> umm, bash is installed..
May 25 00:03:24 <Ikarus> MohammadAG: is it installed inside the chroot aswell ?
May 25 00:03:26 <MohammadAG> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh': No such file or directory
May 25 00:03:29 <MohammadAG> yeah
May 25 00:03:30 <accessdenied5k> thx for reply bye
May 25 00:03:47 <MohammadAG> mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ ls /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash
May 25 00:03:47 <MohammadAG> /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash
May 25 00:04:10 <Ikarus> MohammadAG: and how are you running chroot ?
May 25 00:04:16 <MohammadAG> chroot?
May 25 00:04:28 <MohammadAG> chroot /mnt/ubuntu /bin/bash
May 25 00:05:47 <Ikarus> and is /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash executable ?
May 25 00:06:00 <MohammadAG> yes, chmod'd it
May 25 00:06:34 <Ikarus> MohammadAG: is it mounted as non-exec ?
May 25 00:06:50 <MohammadAG> /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/ubuntu type ext3 (rw)
May 25 00:07:25 <MohammadAG> uhh
May 25 00:07:28 <MohammadAG> root@mohammad-laptop:/mnt/ubuntu# ./bin/bash
May 25 00:07:43 <MohammadAG> /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: /targets/links/scratchbox.config: No such file or directory
May 25 00:08:24 <Ikarus> # ls -l /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash ?
May 25 00:08:44 <MohammadAG> root@mohammad-laptop:/mnt/ubuntu# ls -l ./bin/bash
May 25 00:08:44 <MohammadAG> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 617344 2010-01-04 21:09 ./bin/bash
May 25 00:09:15 <Ikarus> *blink*
May 25 00:22:31 <DocScrutinizer> echo $PATH
May 25 00:23:24 <DocScrutinizer> oops, no
May 25 00:36:26 <b-man|n900> just released netbeans for maemo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=674127#post674127 :)
May 25 00:41:56 <pigeon> heh
May 25 00:42:39 <pigeon> how about eclipse next ;)
May 25 00:44:36 <b-man|n900> i think it would be too large lol
May 25 00:45:47 <redeeman> haha
May 25 00:45:59 <redeeman> im not sure the N900 is very suited for netbeans though
May 25 00:53:23 <b-man|n900> true
May 25 00:53:48 <b-man|n900> it was mostly just an experiment :)
May 25 01:06:07 <ptl> it's cool anyway
May 25 01:13:28 * ptl dancing the dark beat
May 25 01:15:00 <pupnik> Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang, when asked if the Atom Z6 processor could be competitive, quickly responded with a "not possible"
May 25 01:16:03 <ptl> I'd like to be an interviewer for high-ranked individuals like that
May 25 01:16:10 <ptl> I'd get the most embarrassing questions
May 25 01:16:28 <ptl> I'd ask Nokia's CEO over and over again about flash for the N900 and PR1.2 and Ovi Store.
May 25 01:17:19 <ptl> It would not even be an interview, it would be enthusiastic harassment.
May 25 01:17:27 <SpeedEvil> Unless they _have_ to talk to you, that simply won't get you another interview.
May 25 01:17:44 <ptl> lol
May 25 01:17:46 <ptl> Yes, I know.
May 25 01:17:48 <ptl> But let me dream about the possibility, would ya?
May 25 01:18:02 <SpeedEvil> I suggest you consider more possible actions.
May 25 01:18:10 <SpeedEvil> For example - the supply of rotten eggs.
May 25 01:18:17 <SpeedEvil> Or custard pies.
May 25 01:18:29 <ptl> No, I was already flamed at tmo for suggesting beating Nokia's management with a huge piece of wood.
May 25 01:19:55 <ptl> (these were not the exact words I used, of course
May 25 01:19:56 <ptl> )
May 25 01:30:03 <zaheerm-lp> http://zaheer.merali.org/articles/2010/05/24/n900-and-maemo5-playing-vp8webm-live-stream/
May 25 01:30:28 <zaheerm-lp> android gets webm support in q4, maemo gets it before q2 is over :)
May 25 01:31:47 <pupnik> nice zaheerm-lp
May 25 01:31:58 <dmj726_devel> sweet!
May 25 01:32:11 <pupnik> backdooring nintendo's gamecube http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/654716
May 25 01:32:37 <ptl> lol
May 25 01:32:39 <ptl> very cool indeed
May 25 01:37:07 <pupnik> funny
May 25 01:44:15 <zaheerm-lp> enough vp8 stuff for me today, time to sleep
May 25 01:47:40 <b-man|n900> just took this picture yesterday with my device :) http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/photos/20100522_001.jpg
May 25 01:51:15 <pupnik> b-man|n900: how far was the N900 from the flower?
May 25 01:51:49 * pupnik is amazed at the universe
May 25 01:52:20 <SpeedEvil> You can focus sanely down to 7cm
May 25 01:54:09 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.520-1/
May 25 02:00:57 <microlith> :( copying from sd card to internal memory is so slow
May 25 02:01:40 <SpeedEvil> It is?
May 25 02:09:20 <ohwhyme> Does anyone know how to make opera mobile 10 display pages normally? (as in not mobile version)
May 25 02:12:17 <SpeedEvil> how normally?
May 25 02:13:13 <adnyxo> elo
May 25 02:17:15 <ohwhyme> hey speedevil :p
May 25 02:17:24 <ohwhyme> I mean it shows the mobile version of websites
May 25 02:17:29 <ohwhyme> not the full webpage like on the desktop
May 25 02:31:29 <b-man|n900> pupnik: about 1 1/2 inches away
May 25 02:34:00 <SpeedEvil> ah\
May 25 02:38:52 <ohwhyme> :p
May 25 02:45:28 <microlith> note to self: don't copy stuff using easydebian
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