**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 26 02:59:57 2010
May 26 03:00:20 <puzzled> |R: think it's just basic files, same as when you got the N900 but in sync with PR 1.2
May 26 03:00:33 <MNX1024> Out of curiosity, what is the difference between Global and Us?
May 26 03:00:44 <puzzled> I flashed the eMMc too just to get a totally clean install
May 26 03:00:57 <|R> puzzled: marketing crap? not Qt and all?
May 26 03:00:59 <Scifi_> I guess date format changes, some language changes may be
May 26 03:01:12 <MNX1024> Guess I'll try using the global, lol
May 26 03:01:17 <asj> |R: qt is part of the main image
May 26 03:01:23 <|R> oki :)
May 26 03:01:27 <puzzled> |R: iirc there's Qt 4.6 preview in there
May 26 03:01:50 <|R> eMMC plays with dpkg ?
May 26 03:02:06 <asj> how big is the US one and how big is Global?
May 26 03:02:06 <|R> that sounds awkward... or it's just a binary? and thus someone will post it i guess :)
May 26 03:02:33 <puzzled> |R you can download the eMMC image from the same place as the PR 1.2 image
May 26 03:02:59 <Ken-Young> Any reports of an OTA pr1.2 update other than in the UK?
May 26 03:03:32 <|R> puzzled: i know, but i don't want to delete all i have on that partition
May 26 03:03:48 <puzzled> then back it up :)
May 26 03:03:52 <|R> also what's up with the holding 'u' ... didn't need that for earlier releases :)
May 26 03:04:27 <Scifi_> |R: Make sure you backup the "Backups" folder from eMMC before flashing
May 26 03:04:27 <|R> puzzled: but if it's to get it emptied and filled by crap marketing garbage...
May 26 03:05:47 <Scifi_> |R: Before PR1.2 Vanilla eMMC had couple of Nokia videos (yes marketing), some ring tones and wall papers
May 26 03:05:51 <puzzled> |R: afaik you need the eMMC image installed or your N900 won't work
May 26 03:05:53 <Scifi_> not sure about the updated image
May 26 03:06:04 <puzzled> it's 250MB
May 26 03:06:11 <DocScrutinizer> |R: the 'u' is supposedly not needed if flasher is catching the right moment of NOLO bootloader checking the USB. If you hold the 'u' then NOLO is supposed not to boot but instead stay in ready-to-flash state
May 26 03:06:33 <MNX1024> Just to make sure once again. I should flash PR1.2 first, without the -R. Then I flash the eMMC right?
May 26 03:06:41 <MNX1024> without unplugging the cable?
May 26 03:07:03 <|R> DocScrutinizer: ok, i just used to plug it after starting flasher-3.5
May 26 03:07:16 <puzzled> MNX1024: yes
May 26 03:07:30 <DocScrutinizer> MNX1024: as long as you do not reboot, sequence is irrelevant. If you happen to boot between, it's probably less problem to flash eMMC first
May 26 03:08:19 <DocScrutinizer> as rootfs on first-boot will alter the eMMC data
May 26 03:08:53 <DocScrutinizer> then when you flash eMMC after that, these edits are lost
May 26 03:09:49 <puzzled> was reading the story about broken usb connectors on tmo. anyone have a similar experience?
May 26 03:13:54 <|R> eMMC = /home ?
May 26 03:15:23 <MNX1024> For some reason, flasing the PR1.2 first and then trying to flash the eMMC does not seem to work
May 26 03:15:41 <MNX1024> I can't seem to get eMMC to flash right after PR1,2
May 26 03:18:22 <skynets> question: would diamond polish work on the n900 screen?
May 26 03:18:29 <skynets> to remove scratches
May 26 03:19:29 <Ken-Young> skynets, I think that would be more apt to introduce more scratches.
May 26 03:23:51 <ohwhyme> bah
May 26 03:28:04 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm not sure any pollishing will work on touchscreens. tried with real paste and engine (dremel), on a OMNIA. result was scratch less but large dull spot
May 26 03:29:09 <skynets> :S
May 26 03:29:20 <skynets> so you've got scratches on your current screen?
May 26 03:29:36 <ohwhyme> anyone know how hard it is to replace a screen?
May 26 03:29:53 <skynets> not sure but its only the digitizer
May 26 03:30:08 <skynets> 60 bucks
May 26 03:30:10 <skynets> fuck
May 26 03:30:33 <skynets> not sure if i should get it for 2 small scratches
May 26 03:30:40 <skynets> it gets annoying
May 26 03:31:48 <Scifi_> MNX1024: Any error message?
May 26 03:32:18 <Ken-Young> skynets, THere are products made that make scratches on eyeglasses less noticable.   They might help, and are less apt than a polishing compound to make things worse (I think).
May 26 03:32:30 <MNX1024> Well, yes, still have the error message.
May 26 03:32:43 <Scifi_> Contacts app crashing?
May 26 03:32:47 <MNX1024> Yep
May 26 03:33:38 <Scifi_> Well that sux, I guess you have to wait for OTA then. Unless anyone has a suggestion
May 26 03:33:54 <MNX1024> Doubt OTa works
May 26 03:34:00 <MNX1024> I've finally narrowed down to the issue
May 26 03:34:10 <MNX1024> It's actually my sim card that is causing a conflict somehow
May 26 03:34:24 <MNX1024> And I don't know how to get T-Mobile to replace my sim card for free, lol
May 26 03:34:35 <MNX1024> And without noticing that I'm using their T-Zone plan with my N900
May 26 03:34:35 <Scifi_> So if you use a different SIM card it works fine?
May 26 03:34:42 <MNX1024> yea
May 26 03:35:12 <|R> can't you flash without a SIM ?
May 26 03:35:26 <MNX1024> That's not the problem
May 26 03:35:40 <skynets> yeah
May 26 03:35:45 <Scifi_> Yes he can but the problem reappears after inserting SIM
May 26 03:35:51 <Scifi_> if i got it right
May 26 03:35:55 <MNX1024> Yep
May 26 03:36:02 <skynets> ill check it out
May 26 03:36:03 <MNX1024> The problem occures only with "my" sim card
May 26 03:36:12 <MNX1024> Well, it is pretty old and busted up
May 26 03:36:29 <MNX1024> Now I have another Problem, my phone is not reading my microsd....
May 26 03:36:31 <MNX1024> wtf....
May 26 03:36:33 <thunderfest> I flashed from pr1.1 to 1.2 and back to 1.1 today and I connot for the life of me get my n900 to recognize my sim anymore
May 26 03:36:39 <MNX1024> PR1.2 just gave me so many problems.
May 26 03:37:07 <thunderfest> me too
May 26 03:37:18 <DocScrutinizer51> MNX1024: delete contacts from your sim
May 26 03:37:19 <MNX1024> If the N900 wasn't such a great phone and does the things I need, I would've trashed it by now.
May 26 03:37:42 <MNX1024> Try this here
May 26 03:37:43 <MNX1024> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=640267&postcount=365
May 26 03:38:56 <DocScrutinizer51> thunderfest: flashing back to 1.1 from 1.2 renders whole modem nonfunct
May 26 03:39:04 <DocScrutinizer51> known 'issue'
May 26 03:39:22 <MNX1024> You can fix that by flashing only the pr1.2's modem driver
May 26 03:39:35 <DocScrutinizer51> as 1.2 updates modem firmware
May 26 03:39:46 <DocScrutinizer51> yep
May 26 03:39:51 <DocScrutinizer51> probably
May 26 03:39:55 <GeneralAntilles> Can somebody check a string for me?
May 26 03:40:04 <thunderfest> wow what a mess this all is
May 26 03:40:22 <GeneralAntilles> I need to know what the first checkbox in the Browser options window where the cache, hardware key and other stuff is is called.
May 26 03:40:32 <GeneralAntilles> "Automatically focus address bar" or something like that.
May 26 03:41:12 <shinkamui> yay!
May 26 03:41:15 <shinkamui> pr1.2 today?
May 26 03:41:22 <GeneralAntilles> and can somebody tell me which button in options brings that dialog up?
May 26 03:42:34 <ohwhyme> yes shinkamui
May 26 03:42:48 <DocScrutinizer51> GeneralAntilles: sorry no 1.2 here
May 26 03:43:21 <shinkamui> anyone who has it know if it fixes the missing 3D libs and some of the broken widgets in gtk apps?
May 26 03:43:23 <MNX1024> Doc, your tip really saved my butt!!!
May 26 03:43:42 <MNX1024> Deleting the contacts from my sim actually worked!!!!!
May 26 03:43:44 <shinkamui> my leaked 1.2 has been perfect other than those
May 26 03:43:58 <|R> MNX1024: woohoo!
May 26 03:44:02 <|R> MNX1024: everything is fixed?
May 26 03:44:04 <MNX1024> Now my only problem is that I can't read my microsd anymore....
May 26 03:44:08 <MNX1024> Not everything
May 26 03:44:09 <|R> doh
May 26 03:44:11 <MNX1024> microsd problem.
May 26 03:44:12 <MNX1024> lol
May 26 03:44:19 <MNX1024> one problem is fix, next comes up
May 26 03:44:23 <MNX1024> I don't think I like PR1.2
May 26 03:44:31 <|R> you can't mount it manually either?
May 26 03:44:43 <thunderfest> so my choices are....use pr1.2 and have gms abilities but no gles 1 (which I am currently using to make a game) ....or downgrade to pr1.1 which will render me gms unusable...or use pr 1.2 force the gles 1 which will create dependency problems...or downgrade to pr1.1 and use the gsm libs from the leaked pr 1.2 to create a "frankenbuild"
May 26 03:44:44 <MNX1024> What do you mean by mount it manually?
May 26 03:45:00 <|R> MNX1024: well from a shell with the mount command
May 26 03:45:08 <Scifi_> GeneralAntilles: Open any webpage, Menu --> Options -->Settings
May 26 03:45:10 <shinkamui> thunderfest, woah, so gles is still broken in 1.2?
May 26 03:45:11 <MNX1024> franken build it is for you
May 26 03:45:21 <shinkamui> nooooo!
May 26 03:45:32 <MNX1024> R: you might want to instruct me on that
May 26 03:45:32 * shinkamui is dissapointed, he really wants descent on his n900 :(
May 26 03:45:36 <thunderfest> shinkamui: yes gles is still broken in pr1.2
May 26 03:45:45 <|R> MNX1024: gimmie a sec :)
May 26 03:45:48 <shinkamui> pardon my french, but that is fucking GAY.
May 26 03:46:05 <MNX1024> But the fact that I can't use my microsd just by going to file manager or through my other app is a no no
May 26 03:46:12 <shinkamui> so I guess bounce evo doesn't work on 1.2 either
May 26 03:46:18 <|R> MNX1024: in the shell, typing : df       do you see anything saying mmcblk1p1 ?
May 26 03:46:22 <shinkamui> not that it matters, but thats silly, nokia best be fixin it
May 26 03:46:57 <MNX1024> I have mmcblk0p1
May 26 03:46:59 <MNX1024> lol
May 26 03:47:08 <MNX1024> and mmcblk0p2
May 26 03:47:08 <|R> yeah that's MyDocs
May 26 03:47:14 <|R> and /home
May 26 03:47:34 <MNX1024> well, I have /home/opt
May 26 03:47:35 <thunderfest> shinkamui: we filed the bug report earlier (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6816) please vote on it and maybe we can get this issue fixed
May 26 03:47:36 <povbot`> Bug 6816: OpenGL ES 1.1 should be supported
May 26 03:48:39 <|R> MNX1024: yes but what you want is /media/mmc1 which would be your microSD
May 26 03:49:02 <MNX1024> Let me reflash one "last" time and hope it would work
May 26 03:49:11 <MNX1024> if not, I'll come back and bother you in 5 minutes, lol
May 26 03:49:14 <|R> yeah maybe that's it
May 26 03:49:16 <|R> :)
May 26 03:49:21 <Scifi_> MNX1024: Good luck again
May 26 03:49:32 <Scifi_> this time try eMMC first and FW next?
May 26 03:49:39 <|R> I'm waiting for my backup to finish before trying to flash... a friend just flashed his with only the root (not eMMC) and it seems to work...
May 26 03:49:44 <Scifi_> as DocScrutinizer said
May 26 03:49:48 <MNX1024> sci: that's what I've been doing, lol
May 26 03:49:58 <Scifi_> :)
May 26 03:50:00 <shinkamui> thunderfest, voting as we speak
May 26 03:50:08 <thunderfest> thanks
May 26 03:50:09 <MNX1024> when i did the opposite, like you guys told me, flashing eMMC in the end never seems to flash
May 26 03:50:10 <MNX1024> lol
May 26 03:50:11 <Scifi_> thunderfest: done
May 26 03:50:31 <|R> weird
May 26 03:51:02 <DocScrutinizer51> sure, you don't need to flash eMMC when updating to 1.2
May 26 03:52:01 <MNX1024> if you're talking about me, then my reason for it was because I did too much stupid stuff on the phone and I need a clean install. :D
May 26 03:52:17 <|R> DocScrutinizer51: there is nothing of value to the system, you're sure? anyone seen a list of files around? (diff between eMMCs)
May 26 03:52:18 <DocScrutinizer51> but who told you to flash eMMC last?
May 26 03:52:33 <|R> i've read that somewhere too
May 26 03:52:37 <|R> (eMMC flash)
May 26 03:52:37 <Scifi_> DocScutinizer51: thats me
May 26 03:53:09 <MNX1024> After rereading the wiki, I've realize, I was right in the first place. You have to flash eMMC first. lol
May 26 03:53:19 <microlith> ....
May 26 03:53:34 <microlith> why is flasher-3.5 forcibly rebooting my device when I tell it to flash the eMMC
May 26 03:53:48 <DocScrutinizer51> MNX1024: yes. as I told you
May 26 03:53:57 <MNX1024> What confused me was scifi told me to flash the fw first, and the new red message in the wiki
May 26 03:54:10 <Scifi_> Few weeks ago I followed this blog blindly http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/05/how-to-hard-reset-the-n900-to-the-factory-state/
May 26 03:54:22 <Scifi_> It said FW first and eMMC next
May 26 03:54:28 <Scifi_> it worked for me anyway
May 26 03:54:34 <|R> hehe
May 26 03:54:39 <Scifi_> But what u said made sense
May 26 03:54:41 <microlith> which is what I'm doing
May 26 03:54:54 <Scifi_> microlith: Then don't do it :)
May 26 03:54:59 <microlith> and instead it reboots the device into a non-working state
May 26 03:55:06 <microlith> rather than actually flashing the N900
May 26 03:55:43 <DocScrutinizer51> simple rule: flashing eMMC will break your system. So you need to flash rootfs after that
May 26 03:55:59 <MNX1024> scifi: well, this wiki here said you have to flash the eMMC first: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware
May 26 03:56:06 <microlith> there we go
May 26 03:56:15 <Scifi_> Yes thats the official source :)
May 26 03:56:20 <|R> the question is...
May 26 03:56:25 <|R> why do you have to flash the eMMC ...
May 26 03:56:26 <microlith> DocScrutinizer51: if that's the case then Nokia needs to fix their site
May 26 03:56:28 <MNX1024> but you confused me with the whole flashing fw first, lol
May 26 03:57:02 <Scifi_> MNX1024: Sorry, hope your N900 is back to usable state soon :)
May 26 03:57:09 <MNX1024> I do hope so, lol
May 26 03:57:14 <MNX1024> at least I got the contacts part fix
May 26 03:57:17 <DocScrutinizer51> microlith: it's obvious as eMMC flash kills /homeVopt
May 26 03:57:23 <MNX1024> now I just hope this reflash would save my memory card
May 26 03:57:56 <DocScrutinizer51> I doubt
May 26 03:57:59 <DocScrutinizer51> sorry
May 26 03:58:43 <microlith> DocScrutinizer51: realizing that now, however Nokia's own site describes the exact reverse
May 26 04:00:40 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway as long as you don't boot the freshly flashed rootfs nothing bad will happen if you flash 'wrong' sequence
May 26 04:00:45 <MNX1024> I give up, the phone still can't read my memory card
May 26 04:00:56 <DocScrutinizer51> toldya
May 26 04:01:15 <MNX1024> Looks like I'll send my phone in for a replacement once I get a new phone, lol.
May 26 04:01:16 <DocScrutinizer51> reformat the card
May 26 04:01:29 <microlith> except trying to flash in the wrong order -will- break your device, as trying to flash the eMMC forces a reboot
May 26 04:01:30 <DocScrutinizer51> probably the MBR got corrupted
May 26 04:01:39 <MNX1024> MBR?
May 26 04:01:47 <espringe> master boot record
May 26 04:02:03 <espringe> Does anyone know why scratchbox would have a different version of Qt than my n900? :/
May 26 04:02:08 <MNX1024> I need some elaboration.
May 26 04:03:32 <DocScrutinizer51> MNX1024: in your desktop linux call cfdisk for the uSD
May 26 04:04:05 <DocScrutinizer51> delete all partitions, create one VFAT partition
May 26 04:04:32 <DocScrutinizer51> then mkfs.vfat a fs on the card
May 26 04:04:57 <DocScrutinizer51> take care not to accidentaly nuke your harddisk
May 26 04:04:59 <MNX1024> I have no idea what you just said to me, lol
May 26 04:05:22 <MNX1024> But all I can say is, thanks a lot for helping me.
May 26 04:05:36 <espringe> MNX1024, have you formatted your card?
May 26 04:05:45 <MNX1024> just did
May 26 04:05:51 <espringe> how did you do it?
May 26 04:05:59 <MNX1024> right click, format
May 26 04:06:03 <MNX1024> restore to default
May 26 04:06:43 <espringe> not sure how it varies, but you might want to try what docScrutinzer suggested
May 26 04:06:48 <espringe> if you have linux installed
May 26 04:07:09 <espringe> You can google 'cfdisk' which is a partion manager program thingy
May 26 04:08:07 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, anything specific holding you back?
May 26 04:08:22 <MNX1024> Looks like reformating my card made it fine.
May 26 04:08:26 <DocScrutinizer51> no OTA
May 26 04:08:48 <DocScrutinizer51> MNX1024: woohoo
May 26 04:09:07 <MNX1024> Did not think 1.2 would give me this much trouble.....
May 26 04:09:21 <MNX1024> The previous firmware was a breeze...
May 26 04:09:52 <DocScrutinizer51> MNX1024: the uSD issue probably was unrelated
May 26 04:10:09 <MNX1024> it was?
May 26 04:10:20 <MNX1024> It was working fine before
May 26 04:10:30 <MNX1024> but the heck with it. It's fine now, so no point in pondering.
May 26 04:10:35 <MNX1024> Thanks a lot though!!!
May 26 04:10:49 <asj> MNX1024: fat has no error checking so really the satement should be "I knew of no errors"
May 26 04:11:01 <DocScrutinizer51> sure a point in pondering
May 26 04:11:19 <asj> MNX1024: it could have been very broken for a very long time.  Wife's sd cards always seem messed up one way or anothen
May 26 04:11:26 <DocScrutinizer51> wiki needs a recommendation to remove uSD prior to flashing
May 26 04:11:50 <MNX1024> Not as of now. Got to head to bed and wake up early, then go on my 50 mile bike ride.
May 26 04:11:58 <DocScrutinizer51> remove battery - WTF! sure this can kill the uSD
May 26 04:12:03 <MNX1024> I was suppose to be in bed at an hour ago...
May 26 04:12:14 <Scifi_> MNX1024: So ur issues fixed?
May 26 04:12:19 <MNX1024> yep
May 26 04:12:21 <MNX1024> everything is fine
May 26 04:12:22 <Scifi_> cool
May 26 04:12:23 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, ah, right, somehow UK got it first.
May 26 04:12:30 <MNX1024> once I'm done with installing all my ap, I gotta sleep
May 26 04:12:40 <Scifi_> Good night
May 26 04:12:51 <MNX1024> night
May 26 04:14:01 * DocScrutinizer51 firing up HAM just another time :-S
May 26 04:14:05 <microlith> there, ticking again
May 26 04:14:49 <MNX1024> Anyone know of a bike dashboard for the N900?
May 26 04:14:57 <MNX1024> I've been looking for one so I can attach it to my bike.
May 26 04:16:30 <DocScrutinizer51> nope, sorry
May 26 04:18:30 <asj> MNX1024: someone made one and won an awards
May 26 04:18:52 <asj> don't know if they ever released the code
May 26 04:19:47 * RST38h yawns, watching just the right selection of tmo posters bitch about pr1.2 not being available in the US yet
May 26 04:20:17 <asj> wfm, like I care about the US ;)
May 26 04:20:42 <GAN900> RST38h, who cares? Buggy as shit anyway.
May 26 04:20:48 * DocScrutinizer yawns sympathizing
May 26 04:21:06 <RST38h> GAN: anything really bad I should look out for?
May 26 04:21:36 * DocScrutinizer ponders to postpone update for another week :-P
May 26 04:21:45 <GAN900> rsalveti,
May 26 04:21:45 <DocScrutinizer> just in case
May 26 04:21:47 <GAN900> er
May 26 04:21:57 <GAN900> RST38h, haven't found anything nasty
May 26 04:22:10 <GAN900> Just a whole lot of sloppy rough edges and regressions
May 26 04:22:19 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, wont help
May 26 04:22:21 <GAN900> B
May 26 04:22:29 <DocScrutinizer> cool, regressions - I *love* it
May 26 04:22:30 <GAN900> Nothing'll be different in a wekk.
May 26 04:22:41 <pupnik_> nice vague insinuation
May 26 04:22:49 <GAN900> Maybe my typing will be worse.
May 26 04:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: workarounds for problems yet to find will be known in a week
May 26 04:23:04 <GAN900> Got two bugs out tonight
May 26 04:23:07 <asj> I haven't seen any major problems with 19-1
May 26 04:23:21 <GAN900> Gonna try to do the more involved ones tomorrow evening.
May 26 04:23:43 <RST38h> ah
May 26 04:24:21 <RST38h> WW19 is pretty fresh stuff btw
May 26 04:24:38 <DocScrutinizer> e.g who'd have known you possibly need to erase all contacts from SIM, not to cause contacts app to crash in a second
May 26 04:24:44 <asj> well it's -1, so I assume wk18 probably has a million builds ;)
May 26 04:24:49 <MNX1024> The dashboard I meant means the mount for it, lol
May 26 04:24:50 <GAN900> I love that it was delayed forever and still sucks
May 26 04:25:39 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: a very nice bug btw
May 26 04:25:41 <RST38h> GAN: That has been fully expected though
May 26 04:26:03 <GAN900> RST38h, true enough
May 26 04:26:04 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: probably caused by new modem FW
May 26 04:26:26 <Scifi_> MNX1024: Seems like u r not the only one with crashing issues
May 26 04:26:35 <GAN900> RST38h, it's amazing that no matter how much I manage to lower my expectations, Nokia still slips under the bar
May 26 04:26:41 <Scifi_> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=677799#post677799
May 26 04:26:42 <RST38h> Bth psychologically (too long wait time inflating expectations) and testing-wise (I do not believe they really test)
May 26 04:26:51 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, SIM contacts are ugly anyway. :P
May 26 04:26:57 <GAN900> RST38h, nor I
May 26 04:27:01 <DocScrutinizer> lol, agreed
May 26 04:27:06 <MNX1024> lol, looks like I wasn't the only unlucky fella
May 26 04:27:09 <GAN900> It's amazing what slips through the cracks
May 26 04:27:15 <Scifi_> Yep
May 26 04:27:24 <GAN900> It's like the nazi-checklist against their stupid specks
May 26 04:27:35 <MNX1024> I'm almost done with my apps, and bed I will head to afterwards.
May 26 04:27:37 <GAN900> and test for certifications
May 26 04:27:42 <GAN900> and call it a day
May 26 04:27:46 <RST38h> more or less
May 26 04:27:53 * asj smells the wiff of whinning
May 26 04:28:00 <GAN900> s/specks/specs
May 26 04:28:57 <RST38h> but then, such a complex UI is a bitch to test
May 26 04:28:59 <asj> I think it would be beneficial to release a small number of more frequent small updates than large ones though
May 26 04:29:14 <RST38h> cannot test it well with the unit tests (which are overrated anyway)
May 26 04:29:25 <GAN900> asj, I'm filing bugs, so your nose is miscalibrated. :)
May 26 04:29:30 <thunderfest> but then stuff would break all the time instead of all at once
May 26 04:29:44 <RST38h> they could have done it by releasing a beta to the community and addressing community bug reports
May 26 04:29:53 <GAN900> asj, Nokia's processes are completely incapable of working like that.
May 26 04:29:57 <RST38h> but no, that is apparently not how nokia works
May 26 04:30:11 <microlith> RST38h: iirc, they ignored most input from the 300 they released last september, no?
May 26 04:30:13 <asj> GAN900: you must know them better than me
May 26 04:30:18 <GAN900> RST38h, well, certification takes to long
May 26 04:30:36 <RST38h> microlith: Not ignored, they are still fixing bugs reported by those 300 people
May 26 04:30:52 <GAN900> If you get a beta out a month ahead of release then only critical data-eating bugs can be fixed.
May 26 04:30:53 <dmj726> I would be fine with their slow updates if they at least had open beta processes
May 26 04:30:58 <RST38h> GAN: You only have to recertify when you change cellmo and power management
May 26 04:31:09 <GAN900> RST38h, Flash, too.
May 26 04:31:11 <opdf2> so what apps can I uninstall for free up for OTA?
May 26 04:31:12 <RST38h> GAN: Changes to desktop or pa do not require that
May 26 04:31:17 <wall[e]> hi, anyone on virtual keyboard know a way to just enter text rather type enter character?
May 26 04:31:25 <wall[e]> w/o sliding hwkb out
May 26 04:31:27 <asj> I suspect you would shocked at how small the n900 team is now
May 26 04:31:29 <GAN900> and they have their own inhouse bullshit, too.
May 26 04:31:51 <GAN900> asj, not at all
May 26 04:31:52 <dmj726> ...then I could have proper updates and testing while keeping Mom on the stable release
May 26 04:31:54 <wall[e]> eg. on skype chat i enter, and it types enter, not enter the text for me
May 26 04:31:59 <RST38h> They should just hire some Android process management guy
May 26 04:32:01 <wall[e]> oh i forget to click outside
May 26 04:32:09 <GAN900> asj, I'm just sick and tired of Nokia screwing over this platform.
May 26 04:32:10 <asj> GAN900: by your comments I could beg to differ
May 26 04:32:20 <GAN900> asj, meh.
May 26 04:32:30 <GAN900> asj, been here for 5 years.
May 26 04:32:51 <GAN900> asj, I know all of the excuses
May 26 04:32:58 <RST38h> asj: A lot of people at #maemo have got sort of a history with Maemo devices
May 26 04:33:02 <GAN900> I just don't think they're acceptable.
May 26 04:33:08 <RST38h> asj: We have heard *all* of this before
May 26 04:33:34 <asj> RST38h: what's your point? It's a dead end device with fw that's dead end in maintainance mode
May 26 04:34:08 <RST38h> asj: My point is that the manufacturer should not declare device dead 3 months after manufacture
May 26 04:34:16 <GAN900> Which justifies a bit of bitching when you've poured as much of your time into it as we have.
May 26 04:34:23 <wall[e]> ok, dumbass
May 26 04:34:24 <wall[e]> just click outside you insensitive clod
May 26 04:34:24 <wall[e]> bah
May 26 04:34:59 <GAN900> wall[e], virtual input hasn't been tested by Nokia since the N810.
May 26 04:35:20 <ShadowJK> Since the N810 came out, right
May 26 04:35:32 <GAN900> The PR1.2 vkb is a fucking joke
May 26 04:35:40 <RST38h> asj: My other point is that non-critical stuff (no certification) should be updated often, both to show that Nokia cares *and* to collect bug reports
May 26 04:35:54 <GAN900> "Let's make it more useful by making the keys IMPOSSIBLE to hit!"
May 26 04:36:08 <RST38h> GAN: BTW, Opera keyboard is quite nice
May 26 04:36:17 * RST38h would not be averse to having that everywhere
May 26 04:36:18 <GAN900> RST38h, problem is, they don't care and they don't want bug reports. ;)
May 26 04:36:29 <GAN900> WTF we're they thinking?
May 26 04:36:35 <RST38h> GAN: Correct. Or such is the impression, anyway
May 26 04:36:43 <opdf2> anyone try this to quickly gain OTA space? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Tanner#Safely_free_some_space_on_rootfs
May 26 04:36:44 <RST38h> They are thinking of selling you the NEXT device? :)
May 26 04:36:47 <GAN900> Let's use space for this vkb as inefficiently as possible.
May 26 04:36:49 <asj> RST38h: we agree there, I think it would be better to release more frequently
May 26 04:37:20 <GAN900> Idiocy
May 26 04:37:24 <RST38h> ...and that next device often becomes an Android device lately
May 26 04:37:29 <GAN900> 60 wpm on the N800
May 26 04:37:30 <asj> RST38h: but there seem to be release maturity issues within the mameo group
May 26 04:37:43 <RST38h> asj: Please use English
May 26 04:37:43 <GAN900> down to about 40 wpm on PR1.0
May 26 04:37:46 <Stskeeps> morn
May 26 04:37:49 <RST38h> moo Sts
May 26 04:37:51 <GAN900> down to about 35 on PR1.1
May 26 04:38:00 <RST38h> Ah, GAN, you will learn :)))
May 26 04:38:00 <GAN900> down to less than 30 on PR1.2
May 26 04:38:07 <GAN900> Something isn't right here.
May 26 04:38:23 * GAN900 sleeps.
May 26 04:38:25 <RST38h> your touchscreen is losing sensitivity maybe? =)
May 26 04:38:43 <GAN900> RST38h, no, the software is trending towards "fucking useless"
May 26 04:39:15 <pupnik_> there shouldnt even be a vkb
May 26 04:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> moo Stskeeps
May 26 04:39:18 <asj> RST38h: hmm? big projects stopping cleanly releasing, continuing work and merging changes upstream as work continues is something that takes time to learn how to do well
May 26 04:39:23 * |R flashed, restoring 940MB :P
May 26 04:39:53 * Stskeeps notes things didn't calm down overnight
May 26 04:40:10 <Scifi_> Lot of ppl are facing issues with eMMC flashing. Here is the bug link
May 26 04:40:17 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: you're getting old and get artrosis
May 26 04:40:21 <Scifi_> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10264
May 26 04:40:22 <povbot`> Bug 10264: Unable to flash emmc RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin on newly released PR 1.2 Iindian variant)
May 26 04:40:40 <wall[e]> pupnik_, help with global warming due to less energy used to get a character.
May 26 04:41:01 * ShadowJK missed all the excitement
May 26 04:41:20 <RST38h> asj: This is not a software project
May 26 04:41:23 <GAN900> docsc
May 26 04:41:26 <ShadowJK> But I'm guessing people discover that despite 5 months in the works it's not the holy grail
May 26 04:41:29 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, clearly.
May 26 04:41:36 <RST38h> asj: This is a hardware support project. makes it different.
May 26 04:41:40 <RST38h> But still...
May 26 04:41:42 <asj> RST38h: not in the least
May 26 04:41:50 <RST38h> ShadowJK: No shit, Sherlock...
May 26 04:41:57 * GAN900 really sleeps
May 26 04:42:52 * ShadowJK wonders if there's a way to get kernel to tell you the total amount of locked memory
May 26 04:42:54 <RST38h> ShadowJK: And that has not started yet. The moment OTA hits the US, we will all have to close t.m.o and wait for a week, until lemmings calm down
May 26 04:42:57 <ShadowJK> would be interesting to compare 1.1.1 and 1.2
May 26 04:42:57 <DocScrutinizer> ehlo ShadowJK
May 26 04:43:07 <ShadowJK> hello
May 26 04:44:08 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: ack :-)
May 26 04:44:15 <pupnik_> i hear 1.2 feels faster
May 26 04:44:25 <asj> RST38h: just because it runs on a phone doesn't make it hardware, maemo is a huge software project. Treating it as anything but is the road to failure.
May 26 04:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> i hear 1.2 falls faster
May 26 04:44:34 <ShadowJK> I just have to reboot 1.1.1 and it feels faster ;-)
May 26 04:44:53 <RST38h> asj: it has got certain specifics
May 26 04:44:57 <RST38h> asj: consider this
May 26 04:45:10 <RST38h> ShadowJK: oh yesss
May 26 04:45:29 <pupnik_> i think asj has a good point
May 26 04:45:39 <RST38h> asj: Your random open-source software project is a piece of free software that comes with no expectations attached
May 26 04:45:43 <pupnik_> calling 1.2 "firmware" doesnt make it so
May 26 04:45:43 <pronto> is the 1.2 going to show up in thhe applicatoin manager?
May 26 04:45:58 <|R> libgles is screwed up apparently...
May 26 04:45:59 <RST38h> asj: People who do not like it may switch to different software or modify it to their needs
May 26 04:46:03 <asj> RST38h: I disagree with that, but continue
May 26 04:46:35 <RST38h> asj: Maemo isn't just software. 100% of its user base have plunked n*$100 to buy devices that run nothing but Maemo
May 26 04:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> actually calling it firmware is braindamaged
May 26 04:46:48 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict firmware
May 26 04:46:51 <infobot> Dictionary 'firmware' (1 of 3): /ferm'weir/ n. Embedded software contained in EPROM or flash memory. It isn't quite hardware, but at least doesn't have to be loaded from a disk like regular software. Hacker usage differs from straight techspeak in that hackers don't normally apply it to stuff that you can't possibly get at, such as the program that runs a pocket calculator. Instead, it implies that the firmware could be changed, even if doing so ...
May 26 04:47:04 <RST38h> asj: Nor can people fix all Maemo problems by themselves
May 26 04:47:04 <pupnik_> ty DocScrutinizer
May 26 04:47:33 <asj> RST38h: if I buy MS Word (vista, windows 7, etc) I'm not buying hardware, I'm buying closed source software
May 26 04:48:22 <thunderfest> |R: yes gles is screwed up ... gles2 works but not gles1.1
May 26 04:48:26 <asj> what's a retail full price copy of Office these days? it's well over $500, and it contains bugs like any other, and has no offical bug filling method to boot ;)
May 26 04:49:07 <microlith> and office 2007 has some pretty harsh regressions, too :)
May 26 04:49:19 <DocScrutinizer> evidence: there's a folder with firmware *inside* maemo rootfs. So you might argue the rest of it obviously isn't firmware then
May 26 04:50:10 * wall[e] kept googling for maego related info and wonder why there was no result.
May 26 04:50:11 * ShadowJK wonders if 1.2 fixes the occasional need to cycle device offline for 60s to regain cellular
May 26 04:50:13 <pupnik_> that dict link ecplains it
May 26 04:50:51 <DocScrutinizer> also fw generally isn't edited/configured by the user
May 26 04:51:03 <|R> python-gobject also missing ...
May 26 04:51:31 <RST38h> asj: Office cost me $10, or I would never buy it.
May 26 04:52:07 <RST38h> asj: Even at $10, I seriously doubt the usefullness of this purchase.
May 26 04:52:23 <pupnik_> heh
May 26 04:52:27 <RST38h> But Office is patched way more frequently than Maemo
May 26 04:52:47 <asj> RST38h: anyways, you can make the same argument against any commercial software, and it seems as the price increase so do the bugs...I could tell you horror stories about $15k  software packages
May 26 04:53:11 <thunderfest> ok all I have a workaround for gles1.1 on pr 1.2
May 26 04:53:19 <RST38h> asj: I can tell you horror stories about $1b software packages :)
May 26 04:53:31 <RST38h> thunder: What is wrong with gles1.1 there?
May 26 04:53:52 <|R> arf a bunch of widget requires pyhton-gobject :/
May 26 04:53:53 <thunderfest> nokia forgot to build the libs for it
May 26 04:54:10 <opdf2> is a backup from 1.1.1 restorable in 1.2?
May 26 04:54:21 <|R> yep
May 26 04:54:31 <RST38h> thunderfest: OMFG...
May 26 04:54:49 <opdf2> okay so I could just do a backup, uninstall all my apps for rootfs space, then restore safely
May 26 04:55:31 <thunderfest> opdf2: yes  except some some apps that depend on opengles 1.1 will not reinstall (brainparty GLtron nehe ect)
May 26 04:55:31 <pupnik_> thunderfest: got a prog that uses gles 1.1 yet?
May 26 04:55:43 <pupnik_> tty
May 26 04:56:02 <opdf2> thunderfest: �okay thanks for the heads up
May 26 04:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: rarely seen here (60s offline)
May 26 04:56:17 <ZogG_N900> damn. never had widget play button bug til pr1.2
May 26 04:56:30 <opdf2> that's still a bug in 1.2?
May 26 04:56:31 <thunderfest> pupnik: yes I can run the nehe demos and my own opengles apps
May 26 04:56:47 <ZogG_N900> it just doesn't work
May 26 04:56:58 <Wolfie> aww, no pr1.2 yet
May 26 04:56:58 <ZogG_N900> i didn't have it before though
May 26 04:57:11 <ZogG_N900> and it works as i change theme. the weirdest thing ever
May 26 04:57:46 <ZogG_N900> as well sometimes ukbrd doesn't appear till reboot
May 26 04:58:03 <ZogG_N900> i hope wouldn't wait another 5 months for fixes )
May 26 04:58:24 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: I gather you found the bug meanwhile in google? :-D
May 26 04:59:04 <RST38h> ZogG: Caused by other applets (OMWeather, RSS, USSD)
May 26 04:59:15 <RST38h> remove them
May 26 04:59:23 <ShadowJK> It'd be funny if there was a typo in some tiny script somewhere that completely killed, for example, microsd, and we'd have to wait until November :D
May 26 04:59:31 <ZogG_N900> how do i check libraries and packeges in maemo. if they allright. like revdep-rebuild
May 26 04:59:41 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Lack of gles1.1 is a huge problem for me
May 26 04:59:46 <RST38h> Almost like that typo
May 26 04:59:59 <ZogG_N900> RST38h, still it's bug.
May 26 05:00:17 <DocScrutinizer> Wolfie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EAqHx2lMk
May 26 05:00:20 <ShadowJK> start filing bugreports :D
May 26 05:00:56 <RST38h> ZogG: It has been filed.
May 26 05:01:00 <Wolfie> DocScrutinizer: :D, nah, i'll wait. Just somehow thought for it to be available at midnight
May 26 05:01:05 <RST38h> And even researched, a little bit
May 26 05:01:11 <thunderfest> yes everyone please vote on the opengl es 1.1  bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6816)
May 26 05:01:12 <povbot`> Bug 6816: OpenGL ES 1.1 should be supported
May 26 05:01:53 <thunderfest> but the workaround is working I just installed brainparty and it works
May 26 05:02:36 <RST38h> what is the workarond? Use the old library?
May 26 05:03:45 <thunderfest> yeah force the old library to install...its not a real solution cause if ans when the real lib come out you'll have dependency all over the place
May 26 05:04:02 <DocScrutinizer> dman, too late, but anyway:
May 26 05:04:23 <DocScrutinizer> HAPPY 5TH BIRTHDAY #MAEMO
May 26 05:06:09 <pupnik_> suddenly the blue fn key only works when held down
May 26 05:06:14 <pupnik_> :(
May 26 05:06:24 <ZogG_N900> RST38h, yep. but reboot brings it back
May 26 05:06:27 <ZogG_N900> damn
May 26 05:06:34 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik_: WAHT?
May 26 05:07:24 <pupnik_> expected result: hit blue fn key once to get blue-key symbols (e.g. numbers)
May 26 05:07:33 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 26 05:07:44 <thunderfest> but as long as you remember to remove the old lib when the fix come out you'll be fine...and the work around will let you use opengl es 1.1 now....I would not really recommend this for the average user .. but if you are a  deveopler who is actively developing with opengl es 1.1 this will get you going on pr1.2
May 26 05:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> I guess they 'fixed' that with the idiotic "holding a key gets the symbol" kickprovement
May 26 05:08:45 <DocScrutinizer> or kinkprovement
May 26 05:09:03 <RST38h> yea, the keyboard (physical and virtual) is definitely suffering from overabundance of "UX designers"
May 26 05:09:14 <tybollt_> \o/
May 26 05:10:24 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: ack, and not only the kbd
May 26 05:10:49 <Stskeeps> meh, you people would be happy with emacs as a UX ;)
May 26 05:10:55 <ZogG_N900> so how do i check if the packages are not broken?
May 26 05:11:30 <ZogG_N900> so maemo still reminds to be as one update instead seperate packages
May 26 05:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: there's a fix for the 'symbols without blue' shit (some gconf voodoo) - maybe it fixes the blue button itself as well
May 26 05:11:41 <RST38h> Sts: You know I am deeply suspicious of anything using AI language for scripting...
May 26 05:11:45 <ZogG_N900> and next bugfixes never comming
May 26 05:12:00 <RST38h> Sts: But at the moment, EMACS does not look like a worse choice
May 26 05:12:19 <ZogG_N900> i would use vim if i needed
May 26 05:12:24 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i'm starting to wonder if RMS's erractic behaviour is from that he actually uploaded himself into emacs ..
May 26 05:13:15 <microlith> Stskeeps: so RMS himself has become a LISP program?
May 26 05:14:10 <DocScrutinizer> probably he's always been ;-)
May 26 05:15:24 <DocScrutinizer> the ghost in the machine, born in Bell labs, and finally freeing himself by founding party of GNU
May 26 05:15:53 <ZogG_N900> RST38h, is it other widgets break it or it's mediad widget bug?
May 26 05:16:00 <RST38h> Sts: no, it is from the Tentacled One sucking his brain out early in his career
May 26 05:16:15 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: sorry, there is already maemo/meego, we do not need another OS (emacs). :P
May 26 05:16:19 <RST38h> ZogG: It is some DBUs bug
May 26 05:16:36 <RST38h> ZogG: Complicated by the fact that all widgets are running in the same process
May 26 05:17:05 <tybollt_> is there an app that displays the date right in the status bar?
May 26 05:17:14 <RST38h> yes
May 26 05:17:16 <tybollt_> I seem to recall there was one but can't find it :-|
May 26 05:17:23 <RST38h> there is a few calendar widgets
May 26 05:17:34 <RST38h> you can even have it displayed in arabic
May 26 05:17:54 <tybollt_> ja but I mean right up there next to the clock in the status bar? Not on the desktop
May 26 05:18:02 <RST38h> oh, no
May 26 05:18:16 <tybollt_> sigh... ok I understand.
May 26 05:18:47 <ZogG_N900> RST38h, but shouldn't be fixed in pr1.2. never had that problem before
May 26 05:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> status bar is missing quite a few configuration options
May 26 05:19:07 <DocScrutinizer> rsp the applets in there
May 26 05:19:12 <RST38h> ZogG: it depends on other applets you have
May 26 05:19:20 <RST38h> moo tekojo
May 26 05:19:31 <ZogG_N900> same as before
May 26 05:19:44 <ZogG_N900> conversation and player
May 26 05:19:45 <RST38h> which ones?
May 26 05:19:52 <RST38h> remove conversation
May 26 05:19:58 <RST38h> I can almost bet the player will work
May 26 05:20:02 <tekojo> morning
May 26 05:20:23 <ZogG_N900> RST38h, it works. but i need conversations
May 26 05:20:44 <RST38h> tough
May 26 05:20:58 <tybollt_> DocScrutinizer: Well then we agree, MOAR POWER to the staus bar :)
May 26 05:21:07 <tybollt_> s/staus/status/
May 26 05:21:07 <infobot> tybollt_ meant: DocScrutinizer: Well then we agree, MOAR POWER to the status bar :)
May 26 05:21:08 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 26 05:21:27 <RST38h> moar power to the straus bar
May 26 05:21:56 * DocScrutinizer googles for next straus bar
May 26 05:24:01 <DocScrutinizer> http://twitter.com/DionneSouth/status/1431764269   and the strauss bar in Zurich is closed because of drug dealing XP
May 26 05:24:16 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, hehe, just typo
May 26 05:24:30 <ZogG_N900> does anyone know how next fixes would work. per package or in update?
May 26 05:24:42 <tybollt_> :(
May 26 05:24:45 <wall[e]> rushing works or i'd get fire
May 26 05:24:46 <tybollt_> Im not a drug dealer
May 26 05:24:57 <RST38h> really?
May 26 05:25:15 <tybollt_> come now, I'a zit faced nerd w/ greasy hair and bad breath - who the hell would buyy drugs from me?
May 26 05:25:26 <tybollt_> :)
May 26 05:25:30 <RST38h> good cover
May 26 05:25:41 <RST38h> and I am sure you do not have a pirate ship, too?
May 26 05:25:58 <tybollt_> I am from sweden so...
May 26 05:26:46 <ZogG_N900> sweden girls. mmmmm
May 26 05:27:03 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
May 26 05:27:25 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: wake up!
May 26 05:27:27 <infobot> rumour has it, xyawn is nap
May 26 05:27:28 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on up! and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
May 26 05:28:12 * microlith hits hildon-desktop with a stick, show the xchat icon!
May 26 05:28:13 <DocScrutinizer> now you got me upset, try again
May 26 05:28:17 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
May 26 05:28:18 <infobot> methinks xyawn is nap
May 26 05:28:23 <DocScrutinizer> bah
May 26 05:29:06 * DocScrutinizer overrides silly infobot and heads out for a coffee
May 26 05:31:03 <wall[e]> me too
May 26 05:34:46 <tybollt_> uhm
May 26 05:34:52 <tybollt_> says sygic is free in ovi store
May 26 05:34:57 <tybollt_> can't be, can it?
May 26 05:35:00 <RST38h> it can
May 26 05:35:05 <RST38h> maps will cost you though
May 26 05:35:11 <tybollt_> heh :)
May 26 05:35:18 <tybollt_> walk right into that one didn't I? :)
May 26 05:35:53 <Trizt> tybollt_; 7day trial now in OVI store [http://www.sygic.com/]
May 26 05:36:12 <DocScrutinizer> finally I tought her... ;-D
May 26 05:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
May 26 05:36:18 <infobot> xyawn is, like, strong coffee
May 26 05:36:47 <tybollt_> did someone around here try sygic?
May 26 05:37:01 <RST38h> yes, what would you like to know?
May 26 05:37:36 <tybollt_> really just overall - does it deliver?
May 26 05:37:46 <RST38h> depends on what you need
May 26 05:38:06 <RST38h> for a car driver it does, for a pedestrian do not bother
May 26 05:38:13 <tybollt_> ah ok
May 26 05:38:18 <tybollt_> this would be pedestrian
May 26 05:38:24 <tybollt_> I have a separate unit in my car
May 26 05:38:47 <RST38h> Maep for pedestrians, free in Extras
May 26 05:38:54 <tybollt_> RST38h: so it's the lack of compass that ruins it for pedestrian or?
May 26 05:38:57 <tybollt_> ah ok
May 26 05:38:57 <RST38h> If you want offline maps, Ovi Maps wil do the job
May 26 05:38:58 <tybollt_> sure
May 26 05:39:10 <tybollt_> thanks
May 26 05:39:23 <RST38h> tybollt: No, the map lacks detail needed for pedestrian use
May 26 05:39:44 <Trizt> RST38h; but you need an infected machine to get offline maps
May 26 05:40:01 <tybollt_> 'infected'?
May 26 05:40:05 <RST38h> tybollt: That is, of course, Russian map. Your mileage may vary
May 26 05:40:15 <RST38h> Trizt: No, you do not need Ovi Suite to get aps
May 26 05:40:24 <RST38h> Trizt: Can just download and copy them
May 26 05:41:34 <Trizt> RST38h; how do you download the offline maps?
May 26 05:42:34 <RST38h> Trizt: google.
May 26 05:43:08 <ToJa92> Wow, maep is extremely accurate
May 26 05:44:28 <wall[e]> can you use n900 in space?
May 26 05:44:32 <wall[e]> like no air
May 26 05:44:55 <wall[e]> with bt headset in helmet
May 26 05:45:07 <RST38h> wall[e]: you should tr
May 26 05:45:08 <RST38h> y
May 26 05:45:15 <wall[e]> yeh
May 26 05:45:17 <Trizt> not likely, your blood will boil
May 26 05:45:32 <wall[e]> no, i'm in space suite
May 26 05:46:34 <RST38h> wall[e]: You are in your space suite...like...right now?
May 26 05:46:43 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: probably yes
May 26 05:46:46 <wall[e]> kind of
May 26 05:46:54 <RST38h> I guess this makes the standard "What are you wearing?" question pointless.
May 26 05:47:00 <Trizt> then you have to shoult quite a lot and as the space outside lacks medium to transport the sound, your voice wouldn't reach the phone
May 26 05:47:40 <Corsac> wall[e]: only in pr1.2
May 26 05:48:11 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: you easily can test by putting the N900 into a vacuum chamber
May 26 05:48:31 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: but I guess it will not like the hard radiation out in space
May 26 05:49:27 <RST38h> http://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/00064gee
May 26 05:49:44 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, thanks
May 26 05:49:45 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: for the vacuum major issues come from touchscreen, LCD, and cell
May 26 05:49:45 <Corsac> at what time was the uk pr 1.2 available ota yesterday?
May 26 05:49:59 <wall[e]> i only concern like solar activities
May 26 05:50:20 <wall[e]> RST38h, http://www.flickr.com/photos/id34/4640706951/
May 26 05:50:30 <wall[e]> while coding I dress like that
May 26 05:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: the type of chip used in OMAP reacts extremely unforgiving to xray and ion radiation
May 26 05:51:21 <wall[e]> ah
May 26 05:51:43 <wazd1> hello humanity
May 26 05:51:48 <RST38h> wall[e]: Does it give you superpowers, or simply prevents the management from crawling from behind and hitting you on the head while screaming "AND DON'T YOU EVER USE STL LIKE THAT"?
May 26 05:52:11 <wall[e]> my gf gave me, at least
May 26 05:52:16 <wall[e]> i wear it just to make her happy
May 26 05:52:22 <RST38h> Ah
May 26 05:52:28 * wall[e] clears screen.
May 26 05:52:34 <RST38h> Hello wazd the 1st
May 26 05:52:57 <Strobeflux> I cannot send PMs on the site, It says that im not having sufficient privileges or that my accoun't hasnt been activated. But it is activated.
May 26 05:53:08 <wall[e]> but.. i like the part that, you can press buttons on the side and auto close the mask and with beeps beeps etc voices and noises.
May 26 05:53:27 * RST38h doubts Doc has ever tried using his OMAP in xray/radiation rich environment
May 26 05:53:50 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, someone x-rays the device right?
May 26 05:54:02 <wall[e]> but that is different coz it's off?
May 26 05:54:08 <wazd1> RST38h: moo :)
May 26 05:54:16 * RST38h off to work
May 26 05:54:24 <wazd1> anybody knows where to get PR 1.2 theme template?
May 26 05:54:25 <wall[e]> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634108
May 26 05:54:32 <wall[e]> for those who wonders
May 26 05:54:35 * RST38h hopes corporate wifi will have to suffer an OTA download today
May 26 05:54:37 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: yu're right, but I know about the design principles for xray-hardened chips used in spacecraft etc, and I can tell OMAP chip is exactly the opposite
May 26 05:54:49 <RST38h> Doc: Yes and no
May 26 05:55:12 <Corsac> RST38h: I don't have corporate wifi, so I'd rather like if it was available _before_ I leave :)
May 26 05:55:36 <RST38h> Doc: IBM Thinkpads have been successfully used on ISS for years
May 26 05:55:51 <DocScrutinizer> *inside* ISS
May 26 05:55:54 <wall[e]> do they use it outside the iss?
May 26 05:55:55 <RST38h> Doc: But yes, you basically want a fault tolerant design
May 26 05:56:03 <DocScrutinizer> and those have no OMAP, right?
May 26 05:56:19 <RST38h> Doc: It is not like you cannot shield a cell phone, especially if you can shield the huge garbage can the ISS is
May 26 05:56:42 <wall[e]> reminds me i wouldn't want digital compass if i were in space
May 26 05:56:46 <RST38h> Doc: They have got Intel chips, with the same or higher integration scale than OMAP
May 26 05:57:01 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: with larger structures and higher currents, so a single ionization doesn't flip the bit or fry the totem pole gate
May 26 05:57:13 <RST38h> Doc: Not really sure about it
May 26 05:57:28 <wall[e]> ah
May 26 05:57:29 <RST38h> Doc: This gets into details that I have no firm understanding of
May 26 05:58:14 <RST38h> Doc: But if you want fault tolerant, LEON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LEON) is actually being used in a lot of low cost Chinese DVD players
May 26 05:58:29 <wall[e]> i used to read years ago you can break some hw security like atm with some kind of radiation
May 26 05:58:48 <wall[e]> on /.
May 26 05:58:53 <Funnyface> is the audio supposed to work out of the box with the lastest easy debian image? I can't get it working, but I still can't find any discussions about it anywhere.. which leads me to think this might be a problem only I have :p
May 26 05:58:53 <wall[e]> can't remember the details
May 26 05:58:54 <Surfa> sounds like very random approach :)
May 26 05:59:04 <RST38h> Not every thing you read on Slashdot is true :)
May 26 05:59:11 <wall[e]> i know :)
May 26 05:59:28 <RST38h> ==> WORK
May 26 06:03:46 <mece> how are things going maemites?
May 26 06:04:13 <Stskeeps> i'd steer clear of t.m.o if you haven't already
May 26 06:04:13 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 06:04:22 <mece> how so?
May 26 06:04:28 <Stskeeps> toxic environment
May 26 06:04:32 <mece> haa :D
May 26 06:04:39 <mece> the best cind
May 26 06:04:40 <mece> kind
May 26 06:17:17 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=678046#post678046
May 26 06:17:58 <tybollt_> actually
May 26 06:18:19 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, thanks!
May 26 06:19:24 <wall[e]> 45 mins to the dead line
May 26 06:19:26 <wall[e]> hahaha
May 26 06:19:28 <wall[e]> damn
May 26 06:24:25 <Funnyface> hmm "Ad-hoc wifi leaks kernel memory, puts N900 into unusable swap hell" listed as fixed bugs in 1.2, hopefully joikuspot should be usable for longer than ~45 mins then
May 26 06:25:23 <lejonet> Hmmm, when doing an backup of user stuff and the app list, what directories do I have to save? MyDocs and ??
May 26 06:25:38 <lejonet> on the N900, forgot to add that
May 26 06:27:50 <Tuukka> lejonet, just use the N900's backup app and you don't need to worry about directories
May 26 06:28:32 <DocScrutinizer> Funnyface: no, after 45 minutes the case begins to melt down. ;-P
May 26 06:28:45 <Funnyface> lol
May 26 06:29:17 <Funnyface> well, the latest version of joikuspot didn't seem to use as much CPU as the first one
May 26 06:30:10 <lejonet> Tuukka: I never looked to see if it had a native backup app lol, I just used grsync and synced the relevant dirs (that I thought :P)
May 26 06:30:52 <lejonet> Tuukka: Now I feel a bit sheepish :P
May 26 06:30:52 <Tuukka> :D
May 26 06:31:53 <lejonet> That went fast and painless lol :P
May 26 06:32:05 <lejonet> well, time to flash the N900 to PR1.2 ^^
May 26 06:32:23 <Hukka> Does anyone know what kind of 3G speeds N900 supports? There's a discount for an unlimited dataplan, and am thinking of upgrading from 384kbps
May 26 06:32:39 <Surfa> lejonet, ota promised today doesn't suit you?
May 26 06:32:45 <Funnyface> hehe I am still waiting like an impatient kid for the update to show up in the app manager :P
May 26 06:33:07 <lejonet> Hukka: I have 7.2Mbps 3G, I havent really tested to see how much of that I get, but it is atleast 2Mbps down
May 26 06:33:31 <lejonet> Surfa: Well I heard that some rekommend a flash anyway, besides that would clean up the mess I created too :P
May 26 06:33:37 <lejonet> recommend*
May 26 06:33:39 <Tuukka> Yeah me too I don't feel like doing all those adblock and rootfs space tweaks again...
May 26 06:33:43 <Hukka> lejonet: That's quite bad, compared to the specified 10Mbps downlink...
May 26 06:33:57 <Funnyface> "Nokia doesn�t have plans for a full scale commercial MeeGo upgrade on the Nokia N900. The reason? It�s really about ensuring that you have the best possible experience designed for the features on your Nokia N900 device." sounds like something steve jobs could have said
May 26 06:34:22 <Surfa> lejonet, recommend is quite strong word to use, but if you like to
May 26 06:34:22 <Funnyface> just that I think nokia fans won't accept that in the same way as apple fans would accept it from apple :P
May 26 06:35:02 <tybollt_> well IIRC apple actually offered the fanbois to pay for OS upgrade
May 26 06:35:03 <lejonet> Hukka: Well I havent really been in the places with the best coverage either :P
May 26 06:35:13 <Surfa> Hukka, how about this site http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n900/specifications
May 26 06:35:27 <Surfa> Hukka, suprisingly it might contain information you need
May 26 06:35:39 <Hukka> Surfa: Yeah, that says the 10Mbps downlink (or the usa version did)
May 26 06:35:51 <Hukka> Surfa: Do you trust broadband numbers as announced?
May 26 06:36:01 <Surfa> by operators?
May 26 06:36:04 <Surfa> no
May 26 06:36:05 <Hukka> Surfa: Surprisignly, there's inflation
May 26 06:36:10 <Hukka> By modem providers
May 26 06:36:13 <tybollt_> and seriously - the usual argument "OS X.y.z is not designed for $HARDWARE - yo have to buy $NEW_HARDWARE to use it" can't possibly fly seeing as stskeeps is developing the OS on this very device... :S
May 26 06:36:34 <Hukka> That's the same as buying any 10 dollar mobile usb stick and wondering why you aren't getting the whole 7.2Mbps
May 26 06:36:36 <Funnyface> haha
May 26 06:36:37 <Stskeeps> tybollt_: i never claimed to understand that argument
May 26 06:36:47 <timeless_mbp> !seen andre__
May 26 06:36:47 <Surfa> Hukka, i happen to know that network is in 99% cases the bottle neck
May 26 06:36:58 <Surfa> don't worry about your device capabilities
May 26 06:37:03 <lejonet> timeless_mbp: I think its ~seen here
May 26 06:37:13 <timeless_mbp> ~seen andre__
May 26 06:37:14 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: pure speculation on my part - but I guess it is logical enough...
May 26 06:37:17 <infobot> andre__ <~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21h 52m 56s ago, saying: 'mece, looks okay from a quick view. also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products'.
May 26 06:37:31 <Hukka> Surfa: The network has been verified to deliver with HSPA+ sticks, so don't worry about what I'm not asking
May 26 06:37:33 <timeless_mbp> ~summon andre__
May 26 06:37:44 <infobot> apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing andre__'s coordinates
May 26 06:38:24 <Surfa> Hukka, so nothing to worry about
May 26 06:38:27 <Tuukka> Just tested my speed in peedtest.net 3.14Mb/s out and 0.78 Mb/s in. In 3G network almost full strenght using 15Mb/s dataplan
May 26 06:38:49 <Hukka> Tuukka: Which operator?
May 26 06:39:03 <Surfa> Tuukka, well, there are plenty of things that affect throughputs in addition to signal strength
May 26 06:39:33 <Tuukka> Saunalahti, you propably ain't aware of it I'm from Finland
May 26 06:39:53 <Surfa> Tuukka, and hukka wouldn't be from finland? :)
May 26 06:39:59 <Funnyface> the HSDPA providers here support "7.2Mbit" HSDPA, but still say "0.5 to 1.5Mbit" as "realistic speeds"
May 26 06:40:15 <Funnyface> however, I don't really think the speed is the problem with HSDPA
May 26 06:40:22 <Tuukka> Judging from his nick maybe.. :D
May 26 06:40:28 <Corsac> tybollt_: imho the very problem about commercial meego on n900 is the upgrade path
May 26 06:41:02 <Hukka> Or whoissing me...
May 26 06:41:04 <Surfa> Hukka, but anyway, i'm pretty sure that n900 won't be the bottleneck in your data transfers anyway
May 26 06:41:07 <Hukka> Tuukka: Which city?
May 26 06:41:14 <Tuukka> Hukka, Turku
May 26 06:41:25 <Hukka> Ah, ok. Don't know about there
May 26 06:41:37 <Hukka> I know the speeds can exceed 10Mbps in Oulu and Helsinki
May 26 06:41:37 <Surfa> public networks have that much changing conditions that they are the ones limiting the throughputs before the device
May 26 06:41:41 <tybollt_> corsac: <Nookla> Hi Guys! Maemo fs layout was seriously FAIL! Here's how it should've worked from the begining - backup your device - wipe it and flash it - easy huh?
May 26 06:41:54 <Tuukka> Quite happy with my dataplan it's fast, unlimited and pretty affordable ~15e/motnh
May 26 06:41:57 <pupnik> Must Hear. Marc Faber speech on economic outlook: http://mises.org/media/4980 (mp3, 67:32)
May 26 06:42:00 <Corsac> tybollt_: OTA seems not really doable, flashing could work but if it messes deeply that means user settings might not be conserved, backups won't apply etc. which might not be really commercialy fine :)
May 26 06:42:53 <Tuukka> Hukka, well technically i'm not in Turku atm. At work in Kaarina
May 26 06:43:12 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: where was he planning to back up his device?
May 26 06:43:18 <Surfa> Hukka, constant speeds? in live networks? :) i highly doubt that... peaks may of course be near to that, but constant i believe when i see
May 26 06:43:45 <Hukka> Tuukka: 13,90 a month ;)
May 26 06:43:56 <Surfa> saunalahti has those offers until end of month?
May 26 06:43:57 <Tuukka> Yep =)
May 26 06:44:03 <Funnyface> with my data plan, I can transfer as much as I want for about 1 euro per day, but at 200MB I get dropped to EDGE until the next day. problem is that each MB is still like half an euro per MB until that limit is reached, so for occasional use the plan sucks
May 26 06:44:23 <tybollt_> ~buy box of leijona tar candies for timeless_mbp
May 26 06:44:24 * infobot goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen of leijona tar candies for timeless_mbps for box
May 26 06:44:48 <Funnyface> I'd really love some sort of combined plan for say 1GB per month, while also having the ability to use the network a lot on specific days :p
May 26 06:45:24 <tybollt_> timeless_mbp: well backup inside the device and copy it to $SAFE_PLACE
May 26 06:45:34 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: do i not want that candy?
May 26 06:45:57 <tybollt_> you tell me
May 26 06:45:57 <Tuukka> Surfa, but the price stays for the whole to year contract
May 26 06:46:06 <timeless_mbp> "tar" sounds bad
May 26 06:46:20 <tybollt_> timeless_mbp: seriously have no idea what candy I am talking about? :)
May 26 06:46:35 <Corsac> don't take a candy from a stranger
May 26 06:46:41 <Wolfie> leijona tar is awesome
May 26 06:46:45 <timeless_mbp> thankfully, i believe that's correct
May 26 06:46:58 <Hukka> Tuukka: Yeah, the think is it's only 4 euros more, but on the downside I would be stuck with it for two years
May 26 06:47:04 <Surfa> Tuukka, i know i know
May 26 06:47:16 <Surfa> Hukka, it's not 2 years contract
May 26 06:47:16 <tybollt_> timeless_mbp: terva leijona it's a friggin classic
May 26 06:47:29 <Surfa> Hukka, you may get rid of it any time you want
May 26 06:47:44 <Surfa> only the price is fixed for 2 years
May 26 06:47:47 <Hukka> Surfa: Then you have different offers from me
May 26 06:47:51 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: i'll pass?
May 26 06:47:55 <timeless_mbp> https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=14223
May 26 06:47:56 <povbot`> Bug 14223: was not found.
May 26 06:48:01 <timeless_mbp> 4 months to get rid of one space
May 26 06:48:03 <timeless_mbp> ...
May 26 06:48:30 <Surfa> Hukka, nope http://saunalahti.fi/gsm/mobiililaajakaista.php
May 26 06:48:30 <Wolfie> hm... isn't leijona a salmiac candy? don't see it in salmiyuck.com's (crappy) title photo
May 26 06:48:40 <Surfa> Hukka, "Sopimus ei ole m��r�aikainen."
May 26 06:48:56 <Hukka> "Määräaikainen sopimus 24 kk"
May 26 06:49:00 <Wolfie> :D
May 26 06:49:13 <tybollt_> <Mr T> I pity the fool</Mr T>
May 26 06:49:13 <Hukka> Ok, that one is a different deal
May 26 06:49:37 <mece> hey, damn missed the 3g speed discussion
May 26 06:49:50 <Hukka> Hm... so it looks like the defined contract includes a usb stick but otherwise is the same
May 26 06:50:15 <mece> I have the cheapest data with sauna for my N900 from saunalahti. 384kbps.
May 26 06:50:21 <Hukka> mece: Same
May 26 06:50:25 <Tuukka> Who needs a usb stick :D You can use your N900 to tether
May 26 06:50:46 <Hukka> Tuukka: Yeah, I know, but I only saw the adverts for the packet
May 26 06:50:50 <Surfa> Tuukka, if you have lack of electricity the usb-stick is more useful
May 26 06:51:01 <mece> but, here in my office in ICT I sometimes get speeds of around 1Mbps for some reason. Only here though.
May 26 06:51:07 <Surfa> and you don't need your phone and can use it for other purposes elsewhere
May 26 06:51:11 <Hukka> Surfa: You can buy a separate stick, though
May 26 06:51:33 <Hukka> Surfa: Does the free contract include multi-SIM?
May 26 06:51:36 <Funnyface> mece: perhaps the tower there doesn't allow plain UMTS
May 26 06:51:43 <mece> perhaps.
May 26 06:51:45 <sivang> Greetings from Nokia Developer Workshop in TLV :)
May 26 06:51:47 <Lynoure> I think I have one old stick to spare, if someone needs one.
May 26 06:51:57 <Lynoure> Assuming the new one works, when it arrives.
May 26 06:52:08 <Surfa> Hukka, i don't know :) i've never been interested in multi sims
May 26 06:52:09 <Lynoure> They push them as extras, annoyingly
May 26 06:56:18 <tybollt_> timeless_mbp: OpenSolaris - the project that after 5 years still is not open. :)
May 26 06:56:40 <tybollt_> you can't compile osolaris w/out massive amounts of binaries
May 26 06:57:00 <Corsac> that reminds me of something else
May 26 06:57:31 <lejonet> Cool, I must say I like the improved bootup time so far in PR1.2 :P
May 26 06:59:02 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: it's more open than maemo :)
May 26 07:00:19 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: and that one character fix is still better than some of my symbian patches :)
May 26 07:01:20 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: i think i might have finally fixed it!
May 26 07:01:34 <timeless_mbp> please say you haven't updated to 1.2 yet :)
May 26 07:03:59 <thunderfest> Here I did a wrtie up on the state of opengles under pr1.2 and detail some workarounds to get it going http://jacobpennock.com/blog/?p=42
May 26 07:04:04 <pupnik> bamboo for crash reporting?
May 26 07:04:17 <pupnik> could volunteers run debug builds of pr release candidates, for crash reporting?
May 26 07:04:38 <pupnik> sorry, bad keying
May 26 07:06:45 <sivang> timeless_mbp:  in the developer workshop :)
May 26 07:06:51 <sivang> timeless_mbp: how's you?
May 26 07:06:56 <timeless_mbp> ?
May 26 07:07:09 * timeless_mbp is in a 2 hour meeting
May 26 07:07:14 <sivang> timeless_mbp: ohhh
May 26 07:07:40 <sivang> timeless_mbp: been quite lately, had to take real life prpjects for bills paying,got a free day at last to attend the event
May 26 07:07:53 <sivang> timeless_mbp: *quiet
May 26 07:07:57 <phellarv> Moin'
May 26 07:10:53 <noobmonk3y> hmmm just me or is the custom operator widget now doing nothing?
May 26 07:12:54 <noobmonk3y> i wonder if i shout bacon loud enoughm will people amazingly wake up? :D :D :D
May 26 07:12:58 <noobmonk3y> enough*
May 26 07:13:17 <bleeter> mmmm bcaon
May 26 07:13:24 <noobmonk3y> lol :P
May 26 07:13:42 <noobmonk3y> wow.... bacon made tekojo quit ;) - *Shocker*
May 26 07:14:10 <phellarv> mmmmm - snus
May 26 07:15:57 * mece has a craving for a footlong subway
May 26 07:16:04 * mece blames noobmonk3y
May 26 07:16:15 <Funnyface> http://cgi.ebay.com/1930mAh-BL-5J-HIGH-CAPACITY-BATTERY-NOKIA-5800-N900-/200471742882?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries&hash=item2ead0c09a2 I wonder if this battery truely is 1930mA as stated.. probably not
May 26 07:16:16 <noobmonk3y> lol mece :P
May 26 07:16:32 <noobmonk3y> no is the answer to that
May 26 07:16:53 <noobmonk3y> Funnyface, same size, same shape, yet more juice ;) - the seller is praying on dumbasses
May 26 07:17:01 <Funnyface> probably
May 26 07:17:24 <Funnyface> and the battery doesn't have the capacity printed on it, meaning they can type in any capacity they want.. :P
May 26 07:17:53 <noobmonk3y> :) yup
May 26 07:18:11 <noobmonk3y> anyway, chances are very unlikely at that price
May 26 07:18:28 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
May 26 07:18:34 * noobmonk3y blinks
May 26 07:18:45 * frals slaps noobmonk3y with a bunch of waffles
May 26 07:18:51 <noobmonk3y> ooo yayness!
May 26 07:19:07 <noobmonk3y> inventive frals! i likie
May 26 07:19:09 * tybollt_ slaps frals around a bit w/ an automatic apn/mms setting sms parser which he must integrate in FMMS
May 26 07:19:22 <noobmonk3y> ^winzor
May 26 07:19:45 <frals> tybollt_: feel free to do it!
May 26 07:20:16 <tybollt_> I would but I think fMMS is closed source so I can't... *visslar*
May 26 07:20:22 <frals> haha
May 26 07:20:24 <tybollt_> ;)
May 26 07:20:25 <mece> LOL
May 26 07:20:39 <frals> actually a sms parsers wouldnt need to be included in fmms in anyway ;)
May 26 07:20:49 <tybollt_> right
May 26 07:20:59 <tybollt_> well
May 26 07:21:15 <tybollt_> you still need to configure fmms right?
May 26 07:21:23 <noobmonk3y> frals does however porn all trout porn pics sent via mms, and forward them to himself :P
May 26 07:21:28 <noobmonk3y> tybollt_, yes :(
May 26 07:21:28 <mece> hey has anyone had problems answering the phone with pr1.2? I had a strange issue just now..
May 26 07:21:36 <noobmonk3y> mece,  nope :)
May 26 07:21:50 <timeless_mbp> mece: we don't receive calls in .fi :)
May 26 07:22:07 <frals> tybollt_: id just revert to making it shwo a list of configured apn's, would take 5minutes ;)
May 26 07:22:27 <mece> well luckily the one calling was a telemarketer (according to google) so It was nice that I failed to answer.
May 26 07:22:55 * noobmonk3y deleted his mms apn
May 26 07:23:07 <noobmonk3y> phone kept bloody connecting to it and pissed me off
May 26 07:23:12 <frals> lol
May 26 07:23:14 <frals> not my fault :(
May 26 07:23:20 <noobmonk3y> true, i blame lcuk
May 26 07:23:20 <frals> you should have set fmms to havoc! ;)
May 26 07:23:26 <tybollt_> frals: to be perfectly honest - that's what I don't get - why doesn't it just offer you the apn-list when you click configure :)
May 26 07:23:38 <tybollt_> I like that
May 26 07:23:42 <frals> tybollt_: because users are stupid
May 26 07:23:47 <noobmonk3y> that would be a hell of alot easier :P
May 26 07:23:54 <frals> tybollt_: and with pr1.2 the autoconfig should be better
May 26 07:23:55 <hrw> morning
May 26 07:23:58 * noobmonk3y agrees <--------------- I r Stup1d
May 26 07:24:01 <tybollt_> frals: got that right! Missus calls me "bloody stupid" even
May 26 07:24:08 <frals> tybollt_: ^^
May 26 07:24:43 <mece> anyway the issue was this, the phone thingamabob popped up as usually, but just when I tapped answer, the screen changed into 4 buttons instead of 2, and the answer/reject ones were on the bottom row, so I clicked one of the top row ones instead by mistake.
May 26 07:25:46 <mece> i think it was send sms. Anyway after that I couldn't get back to the phone app to answer.
May 26 07:25:50 <tybollt_> yonkers - did you praps turn the mobile somehow - hence triggering the accel-o-meter?
May 26 07:26:12 <furunk3l> yes hellau
May 26 07:26:21 <mece> I've set it to portrait, as in not auto, so it shouldn't be affected by that.
May 26 07:26:30 <tybollt_> true
May 26 07:26:41 <tybollt_> furunk3l: why is there hell in .au? :S
May 26 07:27:05 <furunk3l> just cause
May 26 07:27:23 <furunk3l> ask TheAppleMan
May 26 07:27:30 <furunk3l> i bet he knows why
May 26 07:29:18 <TheAppleMan> Woah! Don't drag me into this.
May 26 07:29:35 <MaikB> Speaking of the Phone task, is there an dbus message that broadcasts if the user gets a call?  Running processes should react to this message by putting their CPU intensive parts on hold.
May 26 07:30:22 * tybollt_ blames TheAppleMan - indeed
May 26 07:30:24 <tybollt_> :)
May 26 07:30:51 <MaikB> Or is this issue dealt with via the `nice' value?
May 26 07:32:55 * noobmonk3y meh's
May 26 07:33:20 <noobmonk3y> i really should goto work
May 26 07:36:32 <PhonicUK> pr 1.2 swapped around the Back and Bookmarks buttons in the browser :s
May 26 07:38:01 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: yeah
May 26 07:38:04 <timeless_mbp> minor changes happen :)
May 26 07:38:31 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: i'm actually relatively happy w/ those changes
May 26 07:40:13 <MaikB> Since I'm to lazy to flash my N900 I wonder at which time today 1.2 will be pushed in Germany.
May 26 07:40:31 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: no one here knows
May 26 07:40:38 <timeless_mbp> just be patient, your n900 will tell you when it's ready
May 26 07:40:57 <tybollt_> all the nokians here knows but enjoys laughing sinisterly at us when we're asking... >:)
May 26 07:41:07 <tybollt_> ;)
May 26 07:41:15 * timeless_mbp is a nokian
May 26 07:41:18 * timeless_mbp has absolutely no idea
May 26 07:41:32 <timeless_mbp> the way i'll know it's available in .de is when a customer from .de says it was offered
May 26 07:41:33 <FIQ> hmm
May 26 07:42:05 <FIQ> I told you yesterday that i somehow lost all my repositories
May 26 07:42:15 <FIQ> My battery died then, so i didn't see any answers
May 26 07:42:25 <MaikB> Does someone know how this works? Does the repository server see where I'm from and hold back the upgrade, or is there different Server for the UK?
May 26 07:42:27 <FIQ> Can i get some help with resetting it?
May 26 07:42:51 <FIQ> Because, i have _no_ repositories at all
May 26 07:43:05 * MaikB takes a look at the /etc/apt/sources.list
May 26 07:43:21 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: you want /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
May 26 07:43:31 <timeless_mbp> the repository server isn't one server
May 26 07:43:38 <timeless_mbp> it's one address at many locations
May 26 07:43:47 <timeless_mbp> and dns generally controls which server you reach
May 26 07:44:16 <timeless_mbp> dns can work any way it likes, but generally dns for magic addresses tries to pick a server that is "close" to you and "fast" to you
May 26 07:44:52 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, I see
May 26 07:44:55 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, thanks
May 26 07:45:05 <timeless_mbp> i believe we're using akamai...
May 26 07:45:49 <MaikB> I guess the repo at the Server I am forwarded to just has to be populated with 1.2 then
May 26 07:46:05 <timeless_mbp> roughly
May 26 07:46:14 <MaikB> And this is done by the Admins running it
May 26 07:46:53 <timeless_mbp> no
May 26 07:47:03 <FIQ> Hey
May 26 07:47:05 <timeless_mbp> admins don't really "run" these boxes like that
May 26 07:47:36 <FIQ> Seems as i have some repos in hildon-application-manager.list
May 26 07:48:03 <FIQ> But why does the application manager not recognize anything now?
May 26 07:48:10 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, What I mean is this: The guys who manage the repo for the UK and those who manage the one for the rest of Europe are different people
May 26 07:48:19 <MaikB> is this statement correct?
May 26 07:48:21 <MaikB> :)
May 26 07:48:24 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: it doesn't work like that
May 26 07:48:29 <timeless_mbp> at least, not generally
May 26 07:48:30 <FIQ> sources.list seems to be empty
May 26 07:48:35 <FIQ> is that why?
May 26 07:48:40 <timeless_mbp> FIQ: souces.list is a legacy file
May 26 07:48:44 <timeless_mbp> for you to **** with
May 26 07:48:45 <FIQ> ah
May 26 07:48:58 <FIQ> but why don't i have any repos in appmanager then?
May 26 07:49:00 <timeless_mbp> apt honors it and sources.list.d/*.list
May 26 07:49:07 <MaikB> FIQ: this is the location on my device /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
May 26 07:49:20 <FIQ> Yes, it contains things
May 26 07:49:24 <timeless_mbp> but my mac is out of power
May 26 07:49:27 <timeless_mbp> so i'm going offline
May 26 07:49:35 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, cya
May 26 07:49:48 <FIQ> but when i take up the menu and look up "Program Catalogues", the list is empty
May 26 07:50:42 <midas_> well, it wasnt that timeless then :P
May 26 07:51:57 <LiraNuna> there was an update to Power Kernel today
May 26 07:52:05 <LiraNuna> it wrecked my wifi
May 26 07:52:10 <LiraNuna> anyone having the same problem?
May 26 07:52:15 <midas_> hey yeah!
May 26 07:52:23 <midas_> i cant connect via wifi to my phone anymore
May 26 07:52:30 <midas_> it says it has a ip tho
May 26 07:52:43 <LiraNuna> and I can't restore stock kernel :|
May 26 07:53:07 <midas_> oh well, just a reflash
May 26 07:53:23 <LiraNuna> I don't feel like a backup
May 26 07:53:30 <midas_> hm mine is working again
May 26 07:53:39 <midas_> wifiswitches + powerkernel issue
May 26 07:53:54 <LiraNuna> wifiswitches?
May 26 07:53:54 <midas_> just restarted wifiswitcher
May 26 07:54:45 <hrw> LiraNuna: flash only kernel then
May 26 07:55:13 <phellarv> wifiswitcher - Switch wifi off and on, and you're all good!
May 26 07:55:39 <midas_> putty + n900 :)
May 26 07:55:56 <phellarv> Why putty?
May 26 07:56:13 <midas_> because i dont have a linuxbox on my desk right now
May 26 07:56:54 <phellarv> midas_: Oooh - Kk - I thought you where using putty on your N900?
May 26 07:57:01 <LiraNuna> how do I use wifiswitcher?
May 26 07:57:03 <midas_> haha no no :P
May 26 07:57:05 <LiraNuna> do I need to download it?
May 26 07:57:30 <midas_> if you dont have it yet, yes but probably you have a different problem than i had
May 26 07:57:39 <Tuukka> Seems like the ota is around the edge here in finland. Some packages been updated in repos.
May 26 07:57:43 <LiraNuna> I don't have an internet connection anymore
May 26 07:58:29 <phellarv> LiraNuna: Did you go from one wifi hotspot to another?
May 26 07:58:54 <LiraNuna> nope
May 26 07:58:58 <LiraNuna> was at home
May 26 07:59:06 <phellarv> And?
May 26 07:59:20 <LiraNuna> updated the power kernel as I saw it popped up
May 26 07:59:25 <LiraNuna> then left the phone
May 26 07:59:33 <LiraNuna> came back later and I see wifi tries to connect forever
May 26 07:59:44 <phellarv> Uhm - you must reboot after a kernel update.
May 26 07:59:48 <LiraNuna> I know
May 26 07:59:53 <LiraNuna> I did
May 26 08:00:01 <Tuukka> Hukka, Surfa, OTA is here =))
May 26 08:00:24 <midas_> over the air is everywere Tuukka ;)
May 26 08:00:26 <LiraNuna> damnit, 1.8MB on EDGE
May 26 08:00:27 <LiraNuna> :|
May 26 08:00:28 <phellarv> LiraNuna: Kill the saved wifi-connection.
May 26 08:00:45 <LiraNuna> kill == erase?
May 26 08:00:46 <Surfa> Tuukka, hooray.. must install it right away
May 26 08:00:50 <phellarv> LiraNuna: Mmm
May 26 08:01:16 <midas_> ah after a shell apt-get update and upgrade, i have it in my app manager :P
May 26 08:01:21 <DocScrutinizer> maemo5 OTA in Germany
May 26 08:01:39 <LiraNuna> phellarv, no go
May 26 08:01:48 <MaikB> wow, just did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to see how many packages being hold back.  A ton!
May 26 08:01:50 <LiraNuna> fails to connect
May 26 08:01:51 <MaikB> cool beans
May 26 08:02:03 <matthew-> Hey, any1 available for help? trying to reflash my n900 under mac and im getting
May 26 08:02:15 <matthew-> flasher-3.5: invalid option -- P
May 26 08:02:16 <thresh> no OTA in Russia still
May 26 08:02:17 <thresh> :(
May 26 08:02:18 <phellarv> LiraNuna: Get wifiswitcher - turn wifi on and off - helped for me
May 26 08:02:25 <Wolfie> yay, go finland
May 26 08:02:27 <LiraNuna> how can I get wifiswitcher
May 26 08:02:31 <phellarv> HAM
May 26 08:02:36 <LiraNuna> I am on retarded EDGE that barely works
May 26 08:02:46 <timeless> matthew: why do you want to use flasher?
May 26 08:02:55 <matthew-> timeless: cause my device doesnt switch on ?
May 26 08:02:57 <matthew-> :<
May 26 08:03:16 <Wolfie> over 100mb of updates... that's not a little...
May 26 08:03:19 <Wolfie> over 3g :)
May 26 08:03:32 <midas_> Wolfie: nope it isnt
May 26 08:03:58 <MaikB> I get 100MByte updates for my Arch Linux installation every week :P
May 26 08:03:59 <midas_> DocScrutinizer: youtoob link is broken
May 26 08:03:59 <matthew-> I'm using http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Console_with_Flasher-3.5 guide.
May 26 08:04:13 <Wolfie> MaikB: but hardly over cellular network...
May 26 08:04:19 <matthew-> and then RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_F5_203_ARM.bin
May 26 08:04:32 <MaikB> Wolfie, nope
May 26 08:04:33 <timeless> matthew: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 doesn't list -P
May 26 08:04:44 <LiraNuna> could it be that the new kernel expect something in PR1.2?
May 26 08:05:08 <phellarv> LiraNuna: Seems strange.
May 26 08:05:20 <LiraNuna> wifi just died after I upgraded+rebooted
May 26 08:06:27 <Wolfie> does 1.2 add more authentication protocols to wifi, by happenstance? haven't seen any advertisement about that, but I hope I missed something :)
May 26 08:06:51 <timeless> fwiw, it's typical for nokia doing a uk based launch to GO @9am London time
May 26 08:07:03 <matthew-> timeless: yeah but the guide does..
May 26 08:07:08 <timeless> which was 7mins ago
May 26 08:07:10 <midas_> stupid thing, i dont want to backup
May 26 08:07:29 <phellarv> LiraNuna: try "ifconfig wlan0 down && ifconfig wlan0 up"
May 26 08:07:30 <timeless> matthew: well that sounds stupid
May 26 08:07:40 <Corsac> how large is the SSU update?
May 26 08:07:45 <matthew-> timeless: and look at this:
May 26 08:07:46 <matthew-> To flash just a part of the whole FIASCO image (for example, only rootfs) run  $ flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=rootfs -f
May 26 08:07:48 <LiraNuna> phellarv, already restored stock kernel
May 26 08:07:52 <Wolfie> Corsac: 110 and a bit
May 26 08:07:55 <Wolfie> megabytes
May 26 08:07:56 <matthew-> ON the wiki page u gave me
May 26 08:07:58 <Corsac> hmh
May 26 08:07:59 <phellarv> LiraNuna: Did it help?
May 26 08:08:05 <Corsac> might bit a bit too large over 3g :)
May 26 08:08:07 <LiraNuna> rebooting now
May 26 08:08:08 <timeless> was the guide on *.maemo.org? it ran off my screen because of someone's topic change
May 26 08:08:25 <Wolfie> Corsac: nah, i'm currently doing that. I have the whole workday to spend, so...
May 26 08:08:38 <visz> ahha
May 26 08:08:42 <Wolfie> doesn't matter whether it takes an hour or five
May 26 08:08:45 <visz> OTA available in finland
May 26 08:08:55 <timeless> matthew: sure,
May 26 08:09:05 <timeless> is there a problem w/ that?
May 26 08:09:10 <matthew-> timeless: So i've got no clue what to do now
May 26 08:09:13 <LiraNuna> is OTA available in US?
May 26 08:09:15 <matthew-> well there is no '-P'
May 26 08:09:22 <matthew-> so there kinda is :D
May 26 08:09:34 <matthew-> sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R
May 26 08:09:34 <timeless> matthew: did you download an image?
May 26 08:09:37 <matthew-> that's what it says
May 26 08:09:38 <X-Fade> I see the global SSU now too.
May 26 08:09:39 <matthew-> yes
May 26 08:09:39 <Corsac> Wolfie: yeah but I kind-of have a 1G limit on my unlimited dataplan so... :)
May 26 08:09:43 <midas_> okay, why does my phone want to be hooked up to a pc?
May 26 08:09:49 <matthew-> so im doing mbp:Downloads Matt$ sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f -R
May 26 08:10:00 <LiraNuna> phellarv, yep, restoring the stock kernel worked ...
May 26 08:10:02 <timeless> sure
May 26 08:10:09 <matthew-> and it gives me flasher-3.5: invalid option -- P
May 26 08:10:09 <matthew-> Usage: flasher [OPTIONS]
May 26 08:10:09 <matthew-> Options:
May 26 08:10:29 <timeless> and then you turn on your already attached n900
May 26 08:10:44 <matthew-> timeless: yeah, but nothing happens
May 26 08:10:52 <timeless> hrm
May 26 08:11:11 <matthew-> http://pastebin.com/ag7EKLEr
May 26 08:11:16 <matthew-> and it doesnt specify what the P is
May 26 08:11:20 <timeless> rename that file to "fiasco"
May 26 08:11:43 <LiraNuna> also, did anyone notice the recent Opera updates?
May 26 08:11:47 <LiraNuna> there's no changelog :(
May 26 08:11:48 <timeless> i think you're missing the -F before the image name
May 26 08:12:13 <matthew-> timeless: it doesn't make the difference if its .fiasco .bin or .tranny
May 26 08:12:15 <timeless> lira: why the heck do you neeed a changelog for your web browser?
May 26 08:12:21 <n900-dk_> What should be backed up before OTA update?
May 26 08:12:21 <matthew-> well, at lest it shouldnt, should it?
May 26 08:12:29 <timeless> matthew: no no  no no
May 26 08:12:40 <timeless> rename ther entire file to uust fiasco
May 26 08:12:52 <timeless> the fewer charaadters the easier it is for you not to screw up
May 26 08:12:53 <matthew-> JUST fiasco ?
May 26 08:12:59 <timeless> yes
May 26 08:13:23 <timeless> the app doesn't care, but your commandline looked wrong
May 26 08:13:30 <timeless> and i'm typing on my n900
May 26 08:13:35 <MaikB> matthew-, the filename and extension doesn't matter. timeless wants to make command you have to enter shorter
May 26 08:13:44 <timeless> so i don't want to have to type ouy something long
May 26 08:13:44 <matthew-> yeah
May 26 08:13:45 <MaikB> thats all
May 26 08:13:47 <mece> damn this bug is annoying: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10273
May 26 08:13:48 <povbot`> Bug 10273: Auto-capitalization somewhat broken
May 26 08:13:51 <timeless> maikb++
May 26 08:14:09 <matthew-> timeless: ok, well im only following wiki
May 26 08:14:21 <timeless> mbp:Downloads Matt$ sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -P
May 26 08:14:29 <timeless> there's a P there
May 26 08:14:37 <matthew-> ok
May 26 08:14:39 <matthew-> flashing.
May 26 08:14:46 <matthew-> timeless: yeah
May 26 08:14:52 <timeless> it should have been an F
May 26 08:14:54 <matthew-> i changed -P with -F
May 26 08:15:09 <matthew-> timeless: sorry there is -F not -P in wiki
May 26 08:15:17 <matthew-> i just dont have my glasses on ;d
May 26 08:15:30 <timeless> miakb: please ask guide author to improve the font for that line
May 26 08:15:46 <timeless> matthew: perfectly reasonable problem
May 26 08:16:11 <midas_> quick question, why does my n900 need to be hooked up to my pc for a ota update?
May 26 08:16:23 <mece> midas_, it does not
May 26 08:16:24 <timeless> midas: it shouldn't
May 26 08:16:29 <matthew-> timeless: will do, thanks.
May 26 08:16:30 <timeless> who said otherwise?
May 26 08:16:41 <midas_> mece: / timeless but it does :P
May 26 08:16:47 <midas_> the installer told me
May 26 08:16:47 <crashanddie> midas_: it doesn't
May 26 08:17:02 <mece> midas_, you have experimental qt libs perhaps?
May 26 08:17:05 <midas_> it says backup, did that, now i want to continue and it cant
May 26 08:17:07 <midas_> nope
May 26 08:17:21 <crashanddie> mate, what installer told you that?
May 26 08:17:27 <crashanddie> xxxporn.bin?
May 26 08:17:27 <mece> midas_, what exactly does it say?
May 26 08:17:44 <petteri> it asks if you wan't to do backup before upgrading
May 26 08:17:55 <crashanddie> wan't?
May 26 08:17:57 <midas_> it does, correct
May 26 08:18:07 <crashanddie> interesting spelling
May 26 08:18:12 <midas_> and then, i cant continue even after backing up
May 26 08:18:16 <petteri> sorry about that :P
May 26 08:18:23 <mece> midas_, what does it say?
May 26 08:18:41 <crashanddie> midas_: installer on the N900 or on your computer?
May 26 08:18:42 <midas_> just a second, starting it again :P
May 26 08:18:47 <midas_> crashanddie: n900
May 26 08:19:14 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: my condolences :-)
May 26 08:19:17 <timeless> midas: if the n900 doesn't like it config
May 26 08:19:28 <timeless> it can suggest using the computer to reflash
May 26 08:19:38 <timeless> that is an available message
May 26 08:19:44 <midas_> just a quick translation, to upgrade your device to this version you need the program for upgrading, hook your phone to the pc and start the program
May 26 08:19:58 <timeless> midas: don't translate
May 26 08:20:09 <timeless> but you got the path i just described
May 26 08:20:11 <midas_> oh well, just a reflash
May 26 08:20:13 <mece> midas_, that means you have something incompatible on the phone.
May 26 08:20:25 <timeless> your n900 doesn't have space or it has a conflict
May 26 08:20:25 <hrw> ok, my n900 is upgrading
May 26 08:20:28 <midas_> timeless: you want it in dutch? :P
May 26 08:20:30 <hrw> LR1.2 -> PR1.2
May 26 08:20:35 <crashanddie> midas_: waarom niet?
May 26 08:20:39 <timeless> mias: yes
May 26 08:20:44 <mece> timeless, if it doesn't have space, it tells you it doesn't have space.
May 26 08:20:45 <midas_> ja voor jou is het geen probleem :p
May 26 08:20:48 <timeless> i have the strings for all locals
May 26 08:20:52 <mece> :D
May 26 08:20:55 <timeless> so i can reverse
May 26 08:20:57 <midas_> ah ok timeless
May 26 08:21:02 <timeless> i can't handle free translations
May 26 08:21:11 <n900-dk_> damn space.. or missing space :)
May 26 08:21:20 <timeless> because you're going FI .. GB .. NL .. US
May 26 08:21:27 <timeless> a bad game of telephone
May 26 08:21:41 <timeless> anyway, it's basically a conflict
May 26 08:21:43 <ruskie> hmm finally got the update...
May 26 08:21:46 <MaikB> I got: rootfs                  227.9M    198.6M     25.1M  89% /
May 26 08:21:48 <ruskie> now to see if I can break the system or not
May 26 08:21:49 <MaikB> is this ok?
May 26 08:21:49 <hrw> looks like LR1.2 was nearly final.
May 26 08:21:57 <timeless> and the message is asking you to use a pc based flasher
May 26 08:22:12 <mece> MaikB, too little for ota upgrade I'd guess.
May 26 08:22:18 <MaikB> meh
May 26 08:22:19 <mece> MaikB, if that's what you're asking
May 26 08:22:27 <MaikB> mece, yes, thx
May 26 08:22:31 <mece> MaikB, disable extras, testing and devel
May 26 08:22:39 <mece> gives you 20mb, could be enough
May 26 08:23:04 <MaikB> mece, Stupid me, of course
May 26 08:23:27 <pupnik> anyone else agree with GAN that 1.2 is buggy?
May 26 08:23:38 <ruskie> define buggy
May 26 08:23:56 <MaikB> here we go, OTA in germany
May 26 08:23:57 <pupnik> like, we must be upset about it
May 26 08:24:23 <mece> pupnik, no. But the stupid autocapitalization bug is annoying.
May 26 08:24:30 <lardman|home> morning
May 26 08:24:31 <MaikB> but i disable devel and testing repos first
May 26 08:25:16 <mece> lardman|home, mornin
May 26 08:25:33 <lardman|home> hi mece
May 26 08:26:12 <pupnik> looks like in dosbox 3000 cycles are doable @ 600mhz without sound.  5k @ 900
May 26 08:26:21 <MaikB> mece, hm, symlinked the apt stuff to /home, so there is no space issue with to many active repos :)
May 26 08:26:29 <MaikB> mece, and thus no gain
May 26 08:26:37 <lardman|home> albanc, barisione: re lat/lon data for contacts, do you know if this is something that could be added - iirc I added a bug requesting this. It would be cool to get decent contacts/map integration, but that would probably need a decent maps app too of course ;)
May 26 08:26:46 <MaikB> I just wipe the Qt stuff
May 26 08:26:51 <MaikB> should be enough
May 26 08:27:24 <Bluewind> how much free space on / is needed for pr 1.2?
May 26 08:27:28 <ruskie> hmm I should look at redefining the rest of the apt files to a diff dir... cache I already set through the config
May 26 08:28:11 <pupnik> MaikB: i see no OTA here (de)
May 26 08:28:28 <MaikB> pupnik, I got it 3 minutes ago
May 26 08:28:54 <lbt> mrs lbt is upgrading.... I'm scared
May 26 08:28:56 <MacDrunk> how do i know if i have ota here in mi country
May 26 08:29:01 <pupnik> then maybe i dont install it.  ty MaikB
May 26 08:29:35 <DocScrutinizer> MaikB: [2010-05-26 10:01:21] <DocScrutinizer> maemo5 OTA in Germany
May 26 08:29:56 <pupnik> i just ran apt-get update
May 26 08:30:07 <n900-dk_> and available in Denmark
May 26 08:30:21 <Nitial> Bluewind: apt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr says 42000 for required free space, so I guess 42 MB should be enough
May 26 08:30:34 <Bluewind> k thx
May 26 08:31:00 <lardman|home> interesting how we now have the opposite problem to before, some of the extras-devel apps explicitly want QT 4.5, at a 40Mb download
May 26 08:31:15 * MaikB keeps removing stuff ..
May 26 08:31:33 <ruskie> Nitial, hmm mine states: Maemo-Required-Free-Space: 35840
May 26 08:31:52 <MaikB> ruskie, thx for this info!
May 26 08:32:10 <n900-dk_> It is a little like Christmas, right :)
May 26 08:32:20 <MaikB> n900-dk_, indeed!
May 26 08:32:21 <MaikB> :)
May 26 08:33:12 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, happy birthday you (insert word not suitable for channel) :P
May 26 08:33:38 <crashanddie> thanks mate
May 26 08:34:14 <n900-dk_> Is all this just for crashanddie?
May 26 08:34:35 <lardman|home> crashanddie: birthday?!
May 26 08:34:43 <crashanddie> aye
May 26 08:34:53 <lardman|home> ah, finally they'll let you into bars! ;)
May 26 08:34:58 <lardman|home> happy birthday mate :)
May 26 08:35:10 <lardman|home> mine is next week fwiw
May 26 08:35:14 <MaikB> crashanddie, happy bday
May 26 08:35:16 <lardman|home> I think
May 26 08:35:19 <hrw> upgrade from LR1.2 → PR1.2 worked fine
May 26 08:36:01 <lbt> available: 41.1M
May 26 08:36:04 <lbt> humph
May 26 08:36:11 <crashanddie> lardman|home: I know yours is next week
May 26 08:36:33 <ruskie> well apt-get dist-upgrade that 14MB will be freed up after installation
May 26 08:36:38 <MaikB> Is someone using Catorise?
May 26 08:36:47 <crashanddie> MaikB: aye
May 26 08:36:48 <MaikB> and knows if it will work with 1.2
May 26 08:36:54 <crashanddie> yes
May 26 08:36:57 <MaikB> crashanddie, thx!
May 26 08:37:07 <MaikB> awesome
May 26 08:37:11 <crashanddie> it's a bit weird, because there's a bit of panning now
May 26 08:37:17 <crashanddie> nothing troubling though
May 26 08:37:54 <MaikB> crashanddie, are you involved in catorise?
May 26 08:37:54 <lardman|home> hmm, so has this been fixed then?: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2962
May 26 08:37:55 <povbot`> Bug 2962: Not able to open Maps application with contacts location as a search string
May 26 08:38:25 <lardman|home> says it has in the http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 page
May 26 08:38:30 <lardman|home> but I can't see how
May 26 08:40:29 <Tuukka> Nice your able to change theme without the wallpapers getting change aswell in 1.2 =)
May 26 08:41:09 <thresh> you bastards
May 26 08:41:15 <thresh> don't tease us OTA-impaired
May 26 08:41:15 <MaikB> I changed the start video, I hope this doesn't cause issues with 1.2
May 26 08:42:37 <MaikB> well, if the upgrade just overwrites my changes its all fine
May 26 08:44:14 <lbt> so my wife reports "operation failed" .... no more clues
May 26 08:44:20 <lardman|home> crashanddie: is your N900 on? Could you broadcast your location so I can see if it appears in the Maps app?
May 26 08:44:38 <lardman|home> lbt: sounds like a standard female error report hey? ;)
May 26 08:44:44 <lbt> :)
May 26 08:44:51 <lbt> and her device has hung
May 26 08:45:26 <lardman|home> oops, hope I didn't offend any females, just going by the standard of my wife's telling me what's wrong with a PC
May 26 08:45:37 <lbt> I've found ctrl... where's alt+delete...
May 26 08:45:59 <lardman|home> switch off a plug, seems easier :)
May 26 08:46:14 <lbt> ah... it popped up "operation failed"
May 26 08:46:27 <lardman|home> might have more info in the app manager log
May 26 08:46:29 <lbt> and then...at the bottom says "Updating Maemo 5"
May 26 08:46:39 <Tuukka> Airport touch has a update lol :D
May 26 08:46:45 <lbt> so it hasn't totally failed...
May 26 08:47:07 <Corsac> lbt: I had the “operation failed” too, it seems that it's when the device is forced to offline mode
May 26 08:47:24 <Corsac> lbt: then it goes to a locked UI where you can't do much thing
May 26 08:47:27 <lbt> correct
May 26 08:47:43 <Corsac> I have the Maemo 5 update on top, and a progress bar “Updating Maemo 5" on bottom
May 26 08:47:48 <Corsac> which progresses slowly
May 26 08:47:49 <lbt> and then the screen goes off and you're wondering wtf is happening
May 26 08:48:11 <Corsac> lbt: just open the keyboard or unlock with the right button?
May 26 08:48:13 <lbt> and don't want to hit "cancel" when you touch the screen to wake it up
May 26 08:48:34 <Corsac> (I plugged it so the screen doesn't shut down)
May 26 08:48:45 <lbt> it is plugged in...
May 26 08:48:58 <lbt> I guess she didn't have that setting
May 26 08:49:19 <Corsac> yeah, it might not be a default
May 26 08:49:35 <Corsac> anyway, just pull the little right button won't mess with the cancel stuff
May 26 08:49:44 <Corsac> well, it's called “stop” here and is greyed out anyway
May 26 08:50:19 <lardman|home> GAN900: you about at this time of the morning?
May 26 08:50:27 <lbt> *nod* .... fair comment
May 26 08:51:54 <lardman|home> hmm, is Ovi Store working yet? I'm being told to upgrade my PR1.2 N900 to make it work by the placeholder webpage
May 26 08:52:09 <MohammadAG> 27th of may i think
May 26 08:52:19 <lardman|home> ok thanks
May 26 08:52:22 <Surfa> anyone faced the situation where pr1.2 ota installation forces you to use nsu?
May 26 08:53:34 <MohammadAG> many users afaik
May 26 08:53:39 <midas_> yes, if you used devel or not enough space :p
May 26 08:53:50 <Surfa> haven't used devel
May 26 08:54:04 <Surfa> wonder how much is enough space
May 26 08:54:21 <midas_> i think <80 or 70% on rootfs
May 26 08:54:32 <Milo-> 640 kilobytes should be enough for everyone
May 26 08:54:43 <bleeter> more than enough
May 26 08:54:47 <MaikB> Surfa, ruskie> Nitial, hmm mine states: Maemo-Required-Free-Space: 35840
May 26 08:54:52 <Surfa> hmm.. 54MiB free
May 26 08:55:05 <Surfa> on rootfs
May 26 08:55:06 <lardman|home> mmm, I see "Maemo 6 Tech Preview" as a classification in the bugtracker
May 26 08:55:07 <bleeter> 2.1TB plenty
May 26 08:55:14 <Milo-> this update requires windows?
May 26 08:55:30 <thunderfest> no
May 26 08:55:33 <MohammadAG> lardman|home, what about it
May 26 08:55:52 <lbt> I had 42.5Mb free and it seems to have started
May 26 08:56:01 <defragger> hi
May 26 08:56:32 <Scelt> Surfa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 08:56:37 <defragger> is it possible to find out my maemo version on n900?
May 26 08:56:58 <Stskeeps> in about product
May 26 08:57:32 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: well I was wondering whether we'd ever see anything of it basically ;)
May 26 08:57:51 <MohammadAG> lardman|home, it's already in devel
May 26 08:57:52 <Scelt> Surfa: I removed tuxrace and I'm able to OTA now
May 26 08:57:54 <ZogG_N900> RST38h, hey. fixed play button just deleted record widget but left conversation - works
May 26 08:58:07 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: really? Oh right
May 26 08:58:25 <ZogG_N900> what in devel i wanna test
May 26 08:58:37 <ZogG_N900> it's in my blood )
May 26 08:58:55 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, don't u have exam today?
May 26 08:58:59 <Surfa> Scelt, let me try that one too..
May 26 08:59:07 <Scelt> I accidentally first started the update with apt-get full-upgrade as I'm used to since App. manager is so slow to use. hopefully it haven't screwed up anything, OTA is going in now
May 26 08:59:07 <Surfa> Scelt, i actually have tux racer installed also
May 26 08:59:23 <MohammadAG> ZogG_N900, not that i recall :)
May 26 08:59:39 <Milo-> "This maemo update requires the nokia software update application on your pc for installation."
May 26 08:59:42 <Scelt> Surfa: that's a reason at least
May 26 08:59:46 <ZogG_N900> today is nokia thing right?
May 26 08:59:47 <Milo-> so it requires windows? ._�
May 26 09:00:04 <thunderfest> yeah there are some open gles 1.1 problems with pr1.2 ....so things that depend on it will not reinstall currently (tuxrace, brainpart , nehetutorials, ect)
May 26 09:00:10 <defragger> do i have to install the new firmware with another pc, or is it possible to update to maemo 5 1.2 with apt?
May 26 09:00:17 <Corsac> use HAM
May 26 09:00:17 <ZogG_N900> Milo-, just reflash it
May 26 09:00:35 <ZogG_N900> Milo-, but backup first
May 26 09:01:09 <Milo-> ZogG_N900 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 with this?
May 26 09:01:52 <Surfa> Scelt, no luck..
May 26 09:01:57 <sivang> so , is 1.2 released already?
May 26 09:02:03 <MohammadAG> yesterday
May 26 09:02:18 <MohammadAG> Surfa, uninstall all games and ioquake3
May 26 09:02:19 <n900-dk_> hmm, where is the smileys on the new virtual keyboard..
May 26 09:02:40 <hrw> ah.. I have to remove smileys again
May 26 09:02:41 <defragger> what version is 3.2010.02-8?
May 26 09:02:46 <Scelt> Surfa: how much space on rootfs? check out the list of the apps on that post
May 26 09:02:52 <Scelt> Surfa: there's more than tuxrace
May 26 09:03:01 <Surfa> Scelt, proceeding on that :)
May 26 09:04:21 <thresh> oh yea
May 26 09:04:31 <thresh> ota in .ru
May 26 09:05:30 <summel> i thought 1.2 was an ota update?
May 26 09:05:48 <Scelt> it is
May 26 09:05:53 <hrw> summel: I did over ota
May 26 09:06:01 <Scelt> I'm doing over ota
May 26 09:06:12 <Scelt> over over the air
May 26 09:06:12 <hrw> defragger: 1.1.1
May 26 09:06:16 <summel> No the update program tells me to use a pc usb thingy
May 26 09:06:24 <Scelt> summel:  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 09:06:26 <MaikB> I wonder whats so special about OTA? Its just an updated deb repo, right?
May 26 09:06:29 <summel> but i dont have a pc
May 26 09:06:34 <thresh> MaikB: kinda
May 26 09:06:40 <thunderfest> you guys now updating to pr 1.2 if your interested, I did a write up about the current problems around opengles support in pr1.2 (including current workarounds) ...http://jacobpennock.com/blog/?p=42
May 26 09:07:21 <hrw> MaikB: ota saves time due to not need for reflashing
May 26 09:08:09 <MaikB> hrw, My impression is, that OTA is something special for non linux distro based Hansets
May 26 09:08:22 <MaikB> I never owned an smartphone before the N900
May 26 09:08:35 <MaikB> So I'm a bit confused by the term OTA :P
May 26 09:08:51 <Wolfie> "Over The Air"
May 26 09:08:57 <MaikB> its a glorified apt-get upgrade
May 26 09:09:02 <MaikB> Wolfie, I know
May 26 09:09:15 <Surfa> Scelt, brain party removal helped
May 26 09:09:21 <Surfa> Scelt, thanks a lot
May 26 09:09:27 <Scelt> Surfa: np :)
May 26 09:09:41 <Wolfie> MaikB: i guess it's a nokia term for tech that has been around before wifi and linux was common in smartphones
May 26 09:09:48 <n900-dk_> Is the conversation widget gone?
May 26 09:10:00 <Wolfie> i remember it being discussed as something new and supported only by one phone in the UK back in... um... 2004, i think
May 26 09:10:33 <MohammadAG> ugh i want to set all messages as read
May 26 09:10:38 <summel> Omg
May 26 09:10:40 <MohammadAG> why can't that be so easy
May 26 09:10:47 <Wolfie> and it was a S60 phone, iirc. So thus you couldn't just call it "apt get"
May 26 09:10:59 <Milo-> MohammadAG I agree
May 26 09:11:01 <summel> I have 46GB... that should be more then enough space
May 26 09:11:06 <crashanddie> lardman|home: location switches off automatically, don't know why
May 26 09:11:07 <summel> Garrrrrr
May 26 09:11:07 <MaikB> Wolfie, I guess are are right
May 26 09:11:09 <Milo-> I can't use the email client since I have 2000 '
May 26 09:11:13 <Milo-> 2000 emails there
May 26 09:11:16 <summel> 64
May 26 09:11:17 <Milo-> and they are all 'unread'
May 26 09:11:40 <crashanddie> lardman|home: when I select anything else than "do not show", and hit save, the GPS icon flashes once and then disappears, location reverts to "do not show"
May 26 09:12:08 <summel> And now it relly hurts that i cant uninstall multiple applications at once
May 26 09:12:43 <Wolfie> hm, my theme, or parts of it, seems to be updated
May 26 09:12:53 <Wolfie> i previously had orange icons, now they're blue
May 26 09:12:55 <Shapeshifter> ehm.
May 26 09:12:58 <Scelt> summel:  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 09:13:08 <Wolfie> updated, or reverted.
May 26 09:13:08 <Shapeshifter> "Internal error. applicaiton 'Conversations' closed"
May 26 09:13:10 <Shapeshifter> awesome
May 26 09:13:17 <hrw> Wolfie: check /usr/share/themes/default symlink
May 26 09:14:01 <Wolfie> hrw: it's linked to "alpha"
May 26 09:14:04 <summel> Scellt: could you summarize that in a sentence? opening links from irc on the n900 is a bit painfull atm :D
May 26 09:14:16 <Arkenoi> Err https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ libqt4-xmlpatterns 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5
May 26 09:14:16 <Arkenoi>   The requested URL returned error: 404
May 26 09:14:16 <Arkenoi> Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/003/./libqt4-xmlpatterns_4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5_armel.deb  The requested URL returned error: 404
May 26 09:14:16 <Arkenoi> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
May 26 09:14:17 <hrw> Wolfie: link to beta and restart
May 26 09:14:18 <Arkenoi> wtf?
May 26 09:14:18 <MaikB> meh, the program manager dialog tells me to flash the device
May 26 09:14:39 <Shapeshifter> MaikB: not enough space on /
May 26 09:14:39 <MaikB> I guess there are conflicts caused by installed software
May 26 09:14:53 <Wolfie> hrw: thanks
May 26 09:15:16 <MaikB> Shapeshifter, hmmmm I guess the program manager doesn't know that I symlinked the apt cache to /home
May 26 09:15:17 <MaikB> :P
May 26 09:15:26 <lardman|home> crashanddie: odd, I'm broadcasting my location now
May 26 09:15:36 <MaikB> rootfs                  227.9M    182.4M     41.3M  82% /
May 26 09:15:39 <MohammadAG> MaikB, it uses MyDocs anyways
May 26 09:15:44 <Scelt> summel: there is a list of packages that are blocking OTA installation, including tuxrace and brain party etc.
May 26 09:15:47 <MaikB> not enough?
May 26 09:15:59 <Shapeshifter> MaikB: I think the last one needed 45
May 26 09:16:02 <hrw> hmm.. after update I have only 75MB free on / :(
May 26 09:16:39 <Arkenoi> what should i do?
May 26 09:16:58 <MaikB> Shapeshifter, apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't complain... however, how to get more details on why the OTA doesn't? (i.e. a log file)
May 26 09:17:02 <hrw> Arkenoi: apt-get update?
May 26 09:17:08 <thresh> Arkenoi: why would you want to install 4.5.3 anyway
May 26 09:17:32 <goody> hello guys,  is global release of 1.2 out now?
May 26 09:17:37 <thresh> yes
May 26 09:18:07 <MaikB> softupd.log
May 26 09:18:08 <MaikB>  ??
May 26 09:18:11 <summel> Scelt: omg thats even more fail
May 26 09:18:13 <Arkenoi> hrw: does not help
May 26 09:18:21 <Arkenoi> thresh: i just do apt-get dist-upgrade
May 26 09:18:39 <thresh> Arkenoi: remove google latitude?
May 26 09:18:48 <thresh> or whatever wants that package
May 26 09:18:59 <Scelt> booting
May 26 09:19:19 <Scelt> not yet
May 26 09:19:40 <Scelt> hrw: how long did it stay in black screen after progress bar went to 100 %?
May 26 09:19:47 <RST38h> Could somebody please tell me the maemo5 package name?
May 26 09:20:04 <Corsac> after progress bar goes to 100%, the device just says it'll reboot, and reboots
May 26 09:20:19 <Scelt> mine stays in application manager
May 26 09:20:20 <Corsac> Scelt: check the screen didn't just blank because of power management
May 26 09:20:20 <hrw> Scelt: I did not used hildon-application-manager for update
May 26 09:20:36 <Stskeeps> sigh..
May 26 09:20:37 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 09:20:38 <RST38h> hrw: What is the name of the pr1.2 umbrella package? (also cannot use HAM)
May 26 09:20:39 <hrw> RST38h: mp-fremantle-generic-pr
May 26 09:20:39 <Scelt> Corsac: title still displayed
May 26 09:20:44 <Scelt> hrw: okay
May 26 09:20:44 <RST38h> hrw: thanks =)
May 26 09:21:46 <RST38h> Says I do not have enough space
May 26 09:21:47 * MaikB doesn't find a log file on what blocks OTA and keeps uninstalling stuff
May 26 09:21:54 <RST38h> And HAM cannot update it too
May 26 09:22:05 <hrw> RST38h: Maemo-Required-Free-Space: 35840
May 26 09:22:11 <Corsac> MaikB: already disabled extra and extra-devel repositories?
May 26 09:22:17 <Corsac> or is it not needed now?
May 26 09:22:22 <RST38h> got 57
May 26 09:22:30 <hrw> RST38h: use apt-get?
May 26 09:22:36 <Corsac> (I didn't really check disk space before upgrading, just disabled repositories, and it worked just fine)
May 26 09:23:00 <Corsac> (hurgh, the reindexing after final reboot takes quite some time)
May 26 09:23:07 <Surfa> MaikB, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=677105&postcount=12
May 26 09:23:09 <Arkenoi> Package libqt4-xmlpatterns is not installed, so not removed
May 26 09:23:12 <Surfa> that list is worth checking
May 26 09:23:13 <ruskie> hmm fun... managed to get into an endless loop cycle
May 26 09:23:16 <MaikB> Corsac, I did.  I don't like guessing, I want to see the reasons why it want me to use the flasher
May 26 09:23:18 <Scelt> Corsac: does not respond to any inputs. only power managements blanks the screen after while
May 26 09:23:21 <MaikB> in a log file on the device
May 26 09:23:33 <ruskie> I love how crappy the whole system is wrt to upgrades using normal tools to do so
May 26 09:23:39 <Surfa> MaikB, removing brainparty and tux racer worked for me
May 26 09:23:55 <MaikB> summel, thx, I had gltron installed
May 26 09:23:58 <MaikB> trying again..
May 26 09:24:06 <MaikB> but still, I don't like guessign
May 26 09:24:12 <hrw> brainparty is in extras-1.2 so you will be able to install it after update
May 26 09:24:28 <MaikB> there must be an log file somewhere
May 26 09:24:36 <ruskie> well atleast the rescue console still works
May 26 09:25:10 <MaikB> meh
May 26 09:25:15 <MaikB> no luck
May 26 09:26:49 <thresh> fffuuu
May 26 09:27:10 <MaikB> hm, I installed opengles manually...
May 26 09:27:19 <Surfa> MaikB, are you sure that you don't have any other on the list?
May 26 09:27:48 <summel> ok i uninstalled all games and everything that could probably need opengl but i still cant update -_-
May 26 09:27:50 <MaikB> Surfa, yes, but this not the issue I have.  I will find the reason eventually
May 26 09:27:52 <goody> is there any particular reason why the hildon manager shows no updates? is there another way to 1.2?
May 26 09:28:05 <Scelt> I shutdown from power key. Seems to continue the update process just like last time. Nokia screen and little green progress bar
May 26 09:28:06 <thresh> ran out of space in the middle of apt-get
May 26 09:28:07 <MaikB> Surfa, what bugs me is not knowing where to look at ( log file )
May 26 09:29:14 <djkrikke> Hi Guys, what can be the reason the OTA update asks to connect to the pc?
May 26 09:29:29 <Scelt> djkrikke: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 09:29:48 <djkrikke> ok, couldn't find it that easy, thanks Scelt
May 26 09:29:54 <Scelt> np
May 26 09:29:56 <goody> how about when OTA shows no updates at all?
May 26 09:30:06 <Corsac> just wait
May 26 09:30:23 <hrw>  /t Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 OTA and fiasco shipping, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ | N900 tells "use PC for update" - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 09:30:29 <hrw> can someone with @?
May 26 09:30:31 <RST38h> hrw: Apt-get complains there is not enough space in archives/
May 26 09:30:43 <hrw> RST38h: symlink it to /opt/?
May 26 09:31:10 <defragger> is it save to make a firmware upgrade?
May 26 09:31:57 <furunk3l> defragger, worked for me like a charm.
May 26 09:31:59 <thresh> is it safe to symlink /var/lib/dpkg to /opt ?
May 26 09:31:59 <Arkenoi> thresh: i did remove latitude, did not help
May 26 09:32:08 <MaikB> There is no way I will do a PC firmware update
May 26 09:32:12 <MaikB> its stupid
May 26 09:32:19 <defragger> is there a good howto?
May 26 09:32:36 <MaikB> I want to know where to look for the reason why it fails
May 26 09:32:40 <MaikB> damn..
May 26 09:32:41 <thresh> Arkenoi: apt-cache depends / rdepends to find out the cause
May 26 09:32:44 <MohammadAG> thresh, yes
May 26 09:33:04 <RST38h> hrw: Is it safe?
May 26 09:33:28 <defragger> furunk3l: is there a howto you worked woth to upgrade?
May 26 09:33:42 <furunk3l> defragger, i just use the "over the Air" upgrade
May 26 09:34:07 <defragger> furunk3l: and how can i do that?
May 26 09:34:24 <Arkenoi> thresh: does not look like i hae any installed
May 26 09:34:33 <furunk3l> defragger, just connect to a wifi and after some time you will see a small yellow icon in the upper status bar.
May 26 09:34:45 <hrw> RST38h: I have many dirs moved from /
May 26 09:34:48 <furunk3l> defragger, click on the statusbar and then on the yellow icon
May 26 09:35:01 <hrw> RST38h:  /var/cache/apt /var/lib/apt are safest
May 26 09:35:05 <furunk3l> defragger, this will start the upgrade. be sure to have your battery fully loaded.
May 26 09:35:38 <Wolfie> if the yellow icon hasn't appeared, go to app manager and press update
May 26 09:35:40 <Wolfie> it'll show up there
May 26 09:35:53 <defragger> furunk3l: i see, i will try that now, thanks :)
May 26 09:36:03 <furunk3l> defragger, you are welcome.
May 26 09:36:14 <hrw> RST38h: but I have /usr/share/{fonts,locale,hildon-welcome,icons,maemoblocks,osso-lmarbles,pixmaps,sounds,themes} moved to /opt
May 26 09:36:39 <hrw> RST38h: and this way I have 77.5MB free on /
May 26 09:38:22 <Arkenoi> thresh: no luck. what should i do next?
May 26 09:38:37 <Mobsan> how do I make a google talk (video) call? can't see any options for this in my contact list...
May 26 09:39:17 * lardman|home heads for work
May 26 09:41:30 <MohammadAG> any ideas when the opengl libraries will be put back
May 26 09:42:29 <goody> is anyone getting no updates?
May 26 09:42:33 <Arkenoi> funny, if i disable extra repositiories dist-upgrade says there is nothing to upgrade
May 26 09:42:38 <ruskie> goody, it takes a while to propagate around
May 26 09:42:54 <goody> thank you ruskie
May 26 09:43:55 <stranger__> any clear idea of the future of maemo after Nokia's last announcement?
May 26 09:44:01 <vanadismobile> hai
May 26 09:44:19 <vanadismobile> will pr1.2 install itself by wifi?
May 26 09:44:29 <Stskeeps> stranger__: it would wonder me a lot if pr1.2 is last SSU.
May 26 09:44:57 <stranger__> Stskeeps, it looks like it
May 26 09:45:02 <Stskeeps> looks like last SSU?
May 26 09:45:10 <frals> bah, i dont want to update my other device, 23days of uptime :(
May 26 09:45:57 * MohammadAG halts frals' device
May 26 09:46:24 <stranger__> it seems there will be almost no Nokia involvement in N900 after the final release of meego
May 26 09:46:44 <Stskeeps> erm.
May 26 09:46:45 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 09:46:54 <Stskeeps> that's wrong on a lot of levels :)
May 26 09:47:44 <Stskeeps> first off, there has been talk in bug reports of a fremantle PE1, which means this isn't the last update we'll see.
May 26 09:48:19 <MaikB> I just issued `apt-get move libqt4-opengl' which causes a ton of upgrades
May 26 09:48:35 <djdm> Stskeeps: Mind if I jump in and ask what PE stands for?
May 26 09:48:41 <Stskeeps> djdm: honestly, i don't know
May 26 09:48:45 <MaikB> I'll see how it works out
May 26 09:49:01 <Stskeeps> second, there is a team working on hardware adaptation for MeeGo on N900 (meego the rpm system), with a bunch of nokians too. N900 is ARM reference device and it has to be kept in good shape
May 26 09:49:04 <stranger__> maybe just a driver update here or there, but that is it
May 26 09:49:22 <Robot101> djdm: we've worked on some PE releases in the past, and we have no idea either :P
May 26 09:49:24 <MaikB> I hate try and error
May 26 09:49:24 <Stskeeps> third, nokia care still answers your phonecalls :P
May 26 09:49:35 <djdm> Stskeeps: Fair enough - cheers :)
May 26 09:49:40 <Robot101> Post-release Engineering? Product Enhancement?
May 26 09:49:43 <MaikB> especially if its not needed, I'm sure of it
May 26 09:49:53 <Stskeeps> Robot101: Programmers Escaping?
May 26 09:49:55 <djdm> Pink Elephant?
May 26 09:49:57 <stranger__> and soon, 'most' of the developers will move to meego,
May 26 09:50:16 <Robot101> stranger__: most of the developers are working on maemo 6 atm, not meego, so, this is manifestly untrue.
May 26 09:50:17 <MaikB> stranger__, meego is just another distro
May 26 09:50:21 <defragger> furunk3l: how long does it take, to get this update info?
May 26 09:50:21 * djdm will assume it's Pink Elephant, actually - I like that ;)
May 26 09:50:27 <Robot101> djdm: me too :)
May 26 09:50:29 <Stskeeps> stranger__: situation isn't perfect, but there's -plenty- of life in my n900 yet
May 26 09:50:29 <MaikB> whats the matter?
May 26 09:51:29 <Stskeeps> stranger__: but to say nokia is dropping n900 on the floor and not caring about it at all, is a far stretch from the truth :)
May 26 09:51:31 <biertie> is it possible to update to pr 1.2 without flashing the system? :s
May 26 09:51:32 <stranger__> Stskeeps, now... but I am talking about after the release of meego.
May 26 09:51:43 <Stskeeps> stranger__: meego 1.0's out this month. next one is october
May 26 09:51:58 <Stskeeps> also, if you actually mean harmattan, please denote it meego-harmattan
May 26 09:51:59 <Arkenoi> thresh: any further ideas what can i do to get the update? and why i do not see anything to upgrade if i remove extra repositiries?
May 26 09:52:10 <furunk3l> defragger, some time. check this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At9tJHmgnrE this shold help you get the upgrade.
May 26 09:52:13 <stranger__> Stskeeps, well, actually I meant after the first Nokia mobile based on meego
May 26 09:52:14 <Robot101> Stskeeps: srsly...? :P
May 26 09:52:36 <Stskeeps> Robot101: srsly what? :P
May 26 09:52:43 <Robot101> Stskeeps: meego-harmattan :P
May 26 09:53:01 <Lazy^> Hello, since now nokia release 2.1 patch for N900. How i can choose videocall. Do i need to use some client or ?
May 26 09:53:29 <Robot101> Lazy^: press the video call button in the address book, it will show for Google Talk and Skype contacts who have video support
May 26 09:53:34 <noobmonk3y> 2.1 lol
May 26 09:53:43 <Stskeeps> Robot101: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=677849#post677849
May 26 09:53:47 <Tuukka> Is carbon theme working as it should with pr1.2?
May 26 09:53:49 <noobmonk3y> Lazy^:  videocall on PR1.2 is available for skype/google etc
May 26 09:54:05 <noobmonk3y> i think it is under the contact options.... (Just checking)
May 26 09:54:07 <furunk3l> defragger, you can also check the application manager. and update manually by clicking on "Update" after you started the application manager.
May 26 09:54:25 <pupnik> i suspect apt-get upgrade maymbe dangerous
May 26 09:54:26 <Robot101> Stskeeps: is this not a violation of the meego trademark policy? :P
May 26 09:54:35 <phellarv> Hrmf - No search in HAM after flashing to PR1.2.
May 26 09:54:43 <noobmonk3y> yeah tis under contact options :P
May 26 09:54:44 <Lazy^> noobmonk3y: so i need to use skype/google...
May 26 09:54:50 <noobmonk3y> phellarv:  yes there is
May 26 09:54:57 <X-Fade> phellarv: just start typing.
May 26 09:55:00 <sECuRE> Lazy^: you can also do SIP video calls
May 26 09:55:00 <Stskeeps> Robot101: i think calling harmattan meego is bad enough :P
May 26 09:55:03 <noobmonk3y> yup - there is no video calling for the normal phone function
May 26 09:55:11 <phellarv> X-Fade: Aha - Thanks.
May 26 09:55:22 <defragger> yayyy got it, thank you very much furunk3l :)
May 26 09:55:28 <Stskeeps> stranger__: there's multiple threads of development happening. one of the community backport of harmattan, another is 'real' meego on n900, and then there's the updates to fremantle
May 26 09:55:28 <furunk3l> np, yw.
May 26 09:55:41 <Stskeeps> stranger__: on top of that, synchronised APIs in form of Qt, so you won't miss out on apps
May 26 09:55:43 <Lazy^> But there is no videocalls on normal phone funtion...
May 26 09:55:46 * phellarv is oldschool - I like clear instructions, and less dark magic.
May 26 09:55:54 <Stskeeps> stranger__: the situation could be a hell lot worse.
May 26 09:55:58 <noobmonk3y> phellarv: :D :D i agree
May 26 09:56:31 <sECuRE> Lazy^: if you have configured a SIP account, there is (for SIP calls)
May 26 09:56:35 <portraitm> hello
May 26 09:56:38 <X-Fade> phellarv: Oh, then you need to try start typing at more places :)
May 26 09:56:42 <phellarv> noobmonk3y: That's why I mostly use apt-*
May 26 09:56:43 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 26 09:56:45 <X-Fade> phellarv: For instance on the desktop itself.
May 26 09:56:48 * noobmonk3y grumbles
May 26 09:57:04 <portraitm> guys, i've flashed my n900 to the newest firmware, but i can not get portrait mode working now, any clues way ?
May 26 09:57:10 <portraitm> p.s it's UK version
May 26 09:57:12 <Lazy^> sECuRE: erm (stupid question) where i can get SIP account
May 26 09:57:14 <hrw> PR 1.2 lacks one thing which was in PR1.2 SDK packages
May 26 09:57:17 <noobmonk3y> X-Fade: stop being so gosh darn clever - you are making the rest of us look bad!
May 26 09:57:23 <noobmonk3y> hrw: ?
May 26 09:57:24 <hrw> status area is not available in portrait
May 26 09:57:25 <sECuRE> Lazy^: sipgate.de for example
May 26 09:57:27 <Corsac> not exactly sure which apps got a portrait mode
May 26 09:57:29 <stranger__> Stskeeps, maybe for an owner of N900, but what about those who plan to buy one soon? most will just think it is better to wait and the meego based one,
May 26 09:57:30 <phellarv> X-Fade: If I start typing at more place, I probably would be charged for doing grafitti.
May 26 09:57:47 <hrw> Corsac: run app, press shift-control-r and rotate device with keyboard closed
May 26 09:57:56 <noobmonk3y> stranger__:  but you dont know if meego is better or worse so to speak yet? lol
May 26 09:58:02 <Stskeeps> stranger__: even my n800 is still useful.
May 26 09:58:03 <sECuRE> Lazy^: but your video call partner would need to use SIP too, i think
May 26 09:58:13 * noobmonk3y lols - healthcheck in portrait mode is rather hysterical
May 26 09:58:17 <Stskeeps> stranger__: everyone always wants the next thing, not knowing wtf it's about
May 26 09:58:17 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 09:58:25 <Lazy^> ahh kk =)
May 26 09:58:29 <Lazy^> maybe skype then...
May 26 09:58:39 <Corsac> hrw: I was asking about which ones
May 26 09:58:43 <Corsac> (since it seems not all of them do)
May 26 09:58:47 <Robot101> Stskeeps: exactly
May 26 09:58:51 <hrw> Corsac: with this trick any will rotate
May 26 09:58:59 <hrw> Corsac: some will just do not look good
May 26 09:59:03 <lcuk> Stskeeps, hold on "community backport of harmattan"   ?? !! how can community backport whats not even out!
May 26 09:59:24 <Stskeeps> lcuk: beats me, but we started talking about it
May 26 09:59:35 <lcuk> where?
May 26 09:59:38 <Corsac> hrw: hmmh ok it has to be done for each and every app
May 26 09:59:45 <Corsac> well, each and every one you want
May 26 09:59:59 <noobmonk3y> lcuk: i want windows 2012 with added bacon and i want it yesterday - i also want it to be open source lol
May 26 09:59:59 <hrw> Corsac: yep - this is debug option which did not got removed
May 26 10:00:03 <tybollt_> lcuk: O_o
May 26 10:00:08 <tybollt_> lcuk: where?
May 26 10:00:28 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: this harmattan package that was/is in dev extras (right?) what's its name?
May 26 10:00:34 <hrw> portraitm: basically nearly no apps with real portrait mode
May 26 10:00:48 <noobmonk3y> hrw:  thats cos some of us couldnt test it until yesterday
May 26 10:00:51 * lcuk rotates hrw
May 26 10:00:52 <portraitm> guys, i've flashed my n900 to the newest firmware, but i can not get portrait mode working now in the browser, any clues ?
May 26 10:00:54 * noobmonk3y is figuring out how to do it this week
May 26 10:01:01 <portraitm> yeah, but with 1,1 it was working with the browser
May 26 10:01:04 <portraitm> but now it does not
May 26 10:01:14 <hrw> portraitm: go to settngs of browser?
May 26 10:01:16 <noobmonk3y> portraitm: there is an option in options
May 26 10:01:20 <noobmonk3y> or settings lol
May 26 10:01:45 <hrw> noobmonk3y: any Qt based can be autorotating by one line in code. no idea of gtk
May 26 10:02:02 <tybollt_> well
May 26 10:02:02 <portraitm> oh, and i had to enalbe rotation, yeah ?
May 26 10:02:05 <portraitm> silly me..
May 26 10:02:05 <noobmonk3y> hrw - got healthcheck installed?
May 26 10:02:19 <tybollt_> qt based apps in repositories are ... surprisingly bad
May 26 10:02:34 <tybollt_> if entire meego will be that quality I fret, big time
May 26 10:02:37 <hrw> noobmonk3y: no
May 26 10:02:38 * noobmonk3y slaps tybollt_ with a horde of sloppy wet trouts
May 26 10:02:38 <cehteh> wargs .. it doesnt update automatically
May 26 10:02:44 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: will it?
May 26 10:03:07 * tybollt_ blocks noobmonkey slap w/ MohammadAG 
May 26 10:03:11 <tybollt_> :)
May 26 10:03:12 <Corsac> hmhm, weren't the bug about SMS to land lines supposed to be fixed in pr1.2?
May 26 10:03:20 <hrw> noobmonk3y: instaling
May 26 10:03:25 <djdm> Corsac: There's an option in the Settings
May 26 10:03:28 <hrw> Corsac: it is in settings
May 26 10:03:32 <Arkenoi> actually there *are* landlines that do support SMS
May 26 10:03:34 <tybollt_> Corsac: it is
May 26 10:03:34 <lcuk> Corsac, ? what bug against landlines?
May 26 10:03:36 <bigon> mmm my n900 is stuck in reboot loop :'(
May 26 10:03:45 <tybollt_> Corsac: there's an option to only text mobiles
May 26 10:03:48 <portraitm> hrw is it possible to open a virtual keyboard on screen when writing a sms in this firmware ?
May 26 10:03:49 <noobmonk3y> hrw - the code has been in it for a while - but it has not had any thought put into it on my behalf
May 26 10:03:52 <lcuk> BT are cool, if you SMS home phone, they call you and robot speak your message
May 26 10:03:54 <noobmonk3y> you literally get half the app :P
May 26 10:03:56 <hrw> portraitm: no idea
May 26 10:03:57 <Corsac> thanks people :)
May 26 10:04:05 <tybollt_> Corsac: but technically texting landlines is possib le (I have this service) so it is not off by default
May 26 10:04:13 * noobmonk3y 's landline supports sms
May 26 10:04:17 <tybollt_> so it's not a bug, it's a feature added for 1.2
May 26 10:04:18 <cehteh> i used that too
May 26 10:04:35 <tybollt_> noobmonk3y: I have it on my home phone =)
May 26 10:04:50 <noobmonk3y> :D
May 26 10:04:52 * satmd fails
May 26 10:05:00 <satmd> I installed 1.1 yesterday
May 26 10:05:05 <tybollt_> FAIL
May 26 10:05:05 <cehteh> wtf .. cant install 1.2 with the application manager
May 26 10:05:09 <hrw> noobmonk3y: you wrote healthcheck?
May 26 10:05:10 <noobmonk3y> satmd:  you retro mo fo!
May 26 10:05:14 <lcuk> SMS to house phone isnt something that the mobile can do anything about?
May 26 10:05:15 <noobmonk3y> hrw: supposedly
May 26 10:05:23 <hrw> noobmonk3y: it is UGLY
May 26 10:05:25 <noobmonk3y> from scratch lol
May 26 10:05:37 <noobmonk3y> hrw my first ever foray into linux, python, maemo and qt
May 26 10:05:43 <lcuk> Stskeeps, come on, dont go quiet :p
May 26 10:05:48 * cehteh kicks nokia
May 26 10:05:50 <satmd> noobmonk3y: the firmware on n900 site at nokia said pr1.2, but it was not 1.2 -- or I took the wrong local file but I doubt the latter option
May 26 10:05:55 <hrw> noobmonk3y: so learn about making normal buttons and using dialogs?
May 26 10:05:55 <tybollt_> lcuk: what do you mean?
May 26 10:06:02 <MaikB> I give up and do the flashing
May 26 10:06:02 <noobmonk3y> satmd: i think you took the wrong file :P
May 26 10:06:05 <MaikB> what a PITA
May 26 10:06:09 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=678699
May 26 10:06:30 <tybollt_> lcuk: there's an option (added in 1.2) to block texting option to landlines - that's it. I am pointing out this is a _feature_ and that texting landlines is perfectly possible
May 26 10:06:33 <MaikB> is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the right image?
May 26 10:06:33 <Robot101> bigon: there used to be a bug with reboot loops which you could fix by putting it into R&D mode with flasher, and then booting it, and then rebooting it into the flasher to turn R&D mode off
May 26 10:06:34 <RST38h> hrw: How do I determine why Maemo5 update does not install without actually downloading the files?
May 26 10:07:02 <anonuk> need some major help ppl. upgraded the n900 and it rebooted during the upgrade and now is stuck in a reboot loop. No usb port for flashing, i have a bootmenu i installed so i should be able to boot mer from sd but it freezes on TSLIB calibration utility
May 26 10:07:04 <anonuk> and ideas?
May 26 10:07:22 <portraitm> guys anyone knows is it now possible to get the virtual keyboard when sending sms ?
May 26 10:07:37 <Stskeeps> In some countries in West Africa, the heavy amount of dust in the air can severely limit visibility and block the sun for several days,[2] comparable to a heavy fog. The effect caused by the dust and sand stirred by these winds is known as the Harmattan haze, and costs airlines millions of dollars in cancelled and diverted flights each year.[citation needed] The interaction of the Harmattan with monsoon winds can cause tornadoes.
May 26 10:07:43 <Stskeeps> brilliant name for a os ;)
May 26 10:07:50 <noobmonk3y> hrw: what version of healthcheck you loading btw?
May 26 10:08:08 <hrw> noobmonk3y: 1.2.0-1
May 26 10:08:11 <Robot101> Stskeeps: you mean it's just a load of hot air? :)
May 26 10:08:22 <noobmonk3y> ahhh ok - i thought that was the better looking version :P
May 26 10:08:26 <pillar_> argh, same thing againa - the OTA update complains that the update has to be done through USB .. last time it was Quake causing it - wonder what it is now
May 26 10:08:31 <Stskeeps> Robot101: it was more along the lines of 'costing airlines millions of dollars' and 'causing tornadoes'
May 26 10:08:31 <tybollt_> Robot101: being the head honcho of that project - I believe that is EXACTLY what he means :D
May 26 10:08:34 <Stskeeps> ;)
May 26 10:08:39 <MohammadAG> Robot101, hot air might be vaporware
May 26 10:08:40 <n900-dk_> portraitm: double tap on the white textspace to get virtual keyb.
May 26 10:09:02 <tybollt_> MohammadAG: .'might be','is',
May 26 10:09:19 <MohammadAG> tybollt_, not always :P
May 26 10:10:03 <bigon> Robot101: thx
May 26 10:10:06 <djdm> Quick Q to anyone who may know: The apps in App Manager now seem to be sorted in a random (and not consistent - it keeps changing) order - any way to fix that?
May 26 10:10:32 <lardman> re
May 26 10:10:45 <MohammadAG> djdm, maybe you changed the arrangement?
May 26 10:10:47 <MohammadAG> by size
May 26 10:11:07 <Arkenoi> is dist-upgrade really safe alternative to app manager update?
May 26 10:11:21 <anonuk> arkenoi: i did that just now and now stuck in reboot loop
May 26 10:11:25 <thresh> +1
May 26 10:11:28 <anonuk> arkenoi: so id say no
May 26 10:11:34 <thresh> though I had no space on /
May 26 10:11:36 <djdm> MohammadAG: How do you change it under PR1.2?
May 26 10:11:52 <MohammadAG> wasn't it under the title menu?
May 26 10:11:58 <djdm> It doesn't seem to be now
May 26 10:12:00 <MohammadAG> unless they f'd up and removed it
May 26 10:12:11 <MohammadAG> One step forward two steps back
May 26 10:12:21 <djdm> They're now in reverse alphabetical order, until you install something, in which case they seem to be random-ish
May 26 10:12:25 <hrw> noobmonk3y: code is awful
May 26 10:12:35 <anonuk> can anyone share their /lib/firmware files with me? im trying to boot mer and have no access to the n900 rootfs anymore as the 1.2 upgrade messed up and its stuck in a reboot loop
May 26 10:12:48 <MohammadAG> hrw, improve it :)
May 26 10:13:02 <MohammadAG> anonuk, it's against ToS afaik
May 26 10:13:10 <hrw> MohammadAG: you mean "rewrite"?
May 26 10:13:27 <MohammadAG> anonuk, you should be able to mount ubi0:rootfs and get the files
May 26 10:13:50 <anonuk> MohammadAG: I know its against ToS :( ive got no way to mount anything - usb port gone and cant load main OS
May 26 10:14:10 <anonuk> MohammadAG: ive got bootmenu installed so was trying to load something else to try chroot and recover
May 26 10:14:13 <SpeedEvil> you can also now adjust the order
May 26 10:14:24 <anonuk> MohammadAG: but nothing will boot without /lib/firmware
May 26 10:14:27 <MohammadAG> anonuk, why can't you chroot?
May 26 10:14:30 <MohammadAG> oh?
May 26 10:14:38 <anonuk> MohammadAG: from where?
May 26 10:14:44 <SpeedEvil> long-click on somewhere that's not an application on the application manager. Then you click an app, and move it where you want it
May 26 10:14:47 <MohammadAG> nvm
May 26 10:14:49 <anonuk> MohammadAG: no access to any OS on the device
May 26 10:14:59 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, hi there again.
May 26 10:15:06 <hrw> noobmonk3y: rewrite your app to use .ui file for UI definition instead of making ui in code. then stop making own buttons. then stop assuming screen size
May 26 10:15:38 <MohammadAG> hey DrGrov
May 26 10:15:40 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, how did you say I should update to PR 1.2? From the device yes but how about the right type of backup? Just contacts and settings is needed as backup since I lose the apps?
May 26 10:16:02 <MohammadAG> if you update ota you shouldn't lose anything
May 26 10:16:18 <djdm> My conversations disappeared, actually (but I wasn't that bothered)
May 26 10:16:29 <djdm> So do back them up :)
May 26 10:16:30 <sECuRE> my conversations did not disappear
May 26 10:16:47 <sECuRE> (i ticked all checkboxes in the backup app)
May 26 10:16:51 <djdm> So did I :)
May 26 10:16:57 <sECuRE> strange
May 26 10:16:58 <MohammadAG> neither did mine
May 26 10:17:05 <MohammadAG> pr1.2 changed the db name
May 26 10:17:08 <MohammadAG> no idea why
May 26 10:17:09 <djdm> I tried restoring it but it seemed to have some trouble so I killed it (stuck for ages on 99%)
May 26 10:17:24 <Milo-> is there still no free .doc/.xls reader/writer for n900?
May 26 10:17:24 <djdm> Could probably get them back if I was desperate
May 26 10:17:28 <style> hmm, is it true that PR1.2 application manager doesn't have search anymore o_O
May 26 10:17:38 <Stskeeps> use live search
May 26 10:17:41 <Stskeeps> type first letter ..
May 26 10:17:41 <djdm> style: Start typing the app name
May 26 10:17:45 <style> aaah
May 26 10:17:47 <style> thanls
May 26 10:17:49 <style> thanks*
May 26 10:18:04 <noobmonk3y> hrw: meh........ i got so annoyed with the qt designer and steps involved i did it all manually - i agree i *should* do it properly, but it requires time :(
May 26 10:18:04 <portraitm> guys, i've tried crtl+shift+R in the blocks game
May 26 10:18:19 <portraitm> it rotated the screen, but when i pressed start a game
May 26 10:18:23 <portraitm> app stucked...
May 26 10:18:25 <djdm> Milo: DocsToGo will read
May 26 10:18:36 <Milo-> djdm it's not free
May 26 10:18:39 <djdm> Oh, hang on, that's 30-day trial
May 26 10:18:40 <djdm> Sorry
May 26 10:18:49 <portraitm> i just shut off my phone and turned on, but now i doesnt rotate blocks app, how can i get it rotate again ?
May 26 10:18:58 <Milo-> portraitm reboot
May 26 10:19:09 <Milo-> portraitm your accelerometer died
May 26 10:19:16 <Milo-> it happens
May 26 10:19:27 <portraitm> so i have to take off my baterie you mean ?
May 26 10:19:34 <Milo-> no
May 26 10:19:36 <Milo-> just reboot
May 26 10:19:40 <portraitm> kk
May 26 10:19:42 <portraitm> trying
May 26 10:19:42 <Milo-> turn off your device and then turn it back up
May 26 10:19:53 <Milo-> should do the trick
May 26 10:21:51 <portraitm> Milo- it rotates in the browser, but doesn't rotate app
May 26 10:21:59 <portraitm> shall i try ctrl+shift+r again ?
May 26 10:22:02 <satmd> Stskeeps: doesn't the new search in application manager effectively disable the use of the virtual keyboard?
May 26 10:22:05 <Milo-> oh
May 26 10:22:13 <Milo-> which app?
May 26 10:22:16 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, ok so just update as OTA and good to go? How about applications as OTA update? I need to get them?
May 26 10:22:19 <portraitm> blocks
May 26 10:22:20 <portraitm> game
May 26 10:22:24 <Stskeeps> satmd: no lcue
May 26 10:22:25 <Milo-> oh
May 26 10:22:32 <Milo-> has it rotated before?
May 26 10:22:34 <hrw> portraitm: what did we told?
May 26 10:22:34 <andres> Is there a trick to make the modest widget monitor different folders?
May 26 10:22:37 <Milo-> not all applications support rotation
May 26 10:22:48 <MohammadAG> DrGrov, check out the flashing page, it has a paragraph about SSU afaik
May 26 10:22:50 <portraitm> but it rotated me fist time :)
May 26 10:22:51 <satmd> Stskeeps: well, hard to use it if you have no text box to tap. That's how it is enabled usually
May 26 10:22:52 <MohammadAG> infobot, flashing
May 26 10:22:57 <Milo-> portraitm okay
May 26 10:22:58 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 10:23:10 <hrw> portraitm: shift+ctrl+r is *debug* thing
May 26 10:23:46 <Stskeeps> neat, flawless pr1.2 update
May 26 10:23:50 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, ok. Will do, checking now as we speak. I try to get some good background info first before I go berserk with my beloved N900 lol
May 26 10:23:54 <portraitm> hrw can you tell me any app which supports rotation ?
May 26 10:24:04 <hrw> no, I cant
May 26 10:24:06 <LoCusF> do I need the eMMC image from tablets-dev or do I just need the FIASCO image?
May 26 10:24:26 <sECuRE> LoCusF: fiaso is enough
May 26 10:24:41 <pupnik> "photos" portraitm
May 26 10:24:50 <LoCusF> RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin <- ?
May 26 10:25:11 <lcuk> Stskeeps, im surprised you werent doing testing on pr1.2 before today!
May 26 10:25:14 <LoCusF> hmm thats it, since I'm in Europe
May 26 10:25:19 <sECuRE> LoCusF: yep
May 26 10:25:55 <portraitm> and i have probably the last question, i want to get the virtual keyboard out when sending sms
May 26 10:25:55 <lardman> zaheerm,
May 26 10:25:58 <portraitm> but can not..
May 26 10:26:06 <zaheerm> lardman, yes?
May 26 10:26:12 <lardman> zaheerm: oops, sorry I didn't reply to your question re libchamplain
May 26 10:26:20 <zaheerm> lardman, its ok i fixed it :)
May 26 10:26:30 <lardman> cool, not sureI had that problem anyway
May 26 10:26:43 <Stskeeps> LoCusF: emmc is only needed if you have problems or want to erase your emmc
May 26 10:26:44 <zaheerm> some -dev package had an m4 installed that referred to an undefined macro
May 26 10:26:47 <lcuk> heya lardman \o
May 26 10:26:51 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i'm not a tester
May 26 10:27:00 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, seems like not too different than the update to PR 1.1
May 26 10:27:14 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, I will backup the whole freaking thing and get it over with right now :)
May 26 10:27:17 <alterego> Why is Qt OpenGL support missing for maemo5 in the SD?
May 26 10:27:20 <alterego> ~SDK
May 26 10:27:26 <loufoque> isn't the seamless update there yet?
May 26 10:27:26 <infobot> The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com
May 26 10:27:28 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, perhaps I am too concerned always when there is something new out there :)
May 26 10:27:44 <bleeter> only had the n900 a week, how can I fill / so quickly? hehe
May 26 10:27:45 <lcuk> Stskeeps, no you are a distmaster :P
May 26 10:28:14 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i thought that was just about being punching bag for community
May 26 10:28:14 <portraitm> maybe i should download something to get the virtual keyboard ?
May 26 10:28:45 <LoCusF> Stskeeps: figured as much
May 26 10:28:46 <lardman> hi lcuk
May 26 10:28:56 <satmd> oooh
May 26 10:28:57 <DrGrov> Where can I find a changelog for PR 1.2? What does it bring to the table compared to PR 1.1?
May 26 10:29:06 * satmd gives sts a bag of cookies
May 26 10:29:15 <alterego> I quite like the contact menu extension interface ..
May 26 10:29:48 <lardman> does Mardy (i.e. mappero maintainer/dev) hang out on irc?
May 26 10:29:50 <loufoque> bleeter: installing tons of crap
May 26 10:30:03 <DrGrov> alterego, how is it looking? how is it extended?
May 26 10:30:06 <loufoque> DrGrov: portrait web browser
May 26 10:30:17 <alterego> DrGrov: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/OssoABookMenuExtension.html
May 26 10:30:59 <sECuRE> hm, still no custom groups in addressbook, it seems? or am i overlooking sth?
May 26 10:31:09 <DrGrov> loufoque, ah that is a good addition.
May 26 10:31:12 <loufoque> pupnik: you can see photos in portrait mode now?
May 26 10:31:19 <DrGrov> alterego, thank you
May 26 10:31:39 <alterego> sECuRE: no, no custom groups, but with that interface we can implement it ourselves :)
May 26 10:31:47 <tybollt_> lcuk: ,distmaster,head honcho, ,distmaster,big kahuna,
May 26 10:31:56 <loufoque> DrGrov: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2
May 26 10:32:11 <sECuRE> alterego: ah, i see
May 26 10:32:18 <DrGrov> loufoque, thanks. reading now. had a bit of problems to find it first.
May 26 10:34:09 <DrGrov> ah this is good
May 26 10:35:39 <DrGrov> what are the new applications in PR 1.2?
May 26 10:35:48 <DrGrov> can't seem to read anything about those in the wiki
May 26 10:36:51 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: new email desktop widget :D
May 26 10:37:11 <alterego> New "Help" application .. If you can call it that ^.^
May 26 10:37:27 <alterego> I noticed some more settings in settings under the phone, I think, but they may have been there before ..
May 26 10:38:07 <Milo-> I kind of liked the two level menu
May 26 10:38:21 <Milo-> now I  keep clicking "settings" each time I want to access any of the additional applications
May 26 10:38:24 <sECuRE> is there a way to remove icons from the program menu? i could only move their position so far
May 26 10:38:56 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: ping :)
May 26 10:39:01 <timeless_mbp> (ttl: 3min)
May 26 10:39:18 <pupnik> loufoque: yes for a while
May 26 10:39:34 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, oooh! that's some fancy shit! :) lol
May 26 10:39:49 <loufoque> pupnik: how?
May 26 10:39:50 <noobmonk3y> hehehe ;) - doesnt work too great with nokia messaging accounts tho :(
May 26 10:39:57 <alterego> Oh well, no Qt OpenGL for me then :(
May 26 10:40:31 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, my fiancee tried to wake me up in the morning to do the update but i was sleeping. so she went to work and kindly reminded me again before she left to update the phone :) how sweet isn't that? :)
May 26 10:40:51 <noobmonk3y> awwwwwwwwwww! thats lovely - its a geeky romance! love it
May 26 10:41:20 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, yes it is :) lol
May 26 10:41:30 <loufoque> is there a trick to move to portrait mode?
May 26 10:41:49 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, she must seriously love me for my geeky attributes :)
May 26 10:42:17 <SpeedEvil> A keeper!
May 26 10:42:18 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 26 10:42:27 <DrGrov> SpeedEvil, yes most certainly a keeper :)
May 26 10:42:29 <an0therb0x> update error - not enough space in target ... where is the target ?
May 26 10:42:32 <Milo-> DrGrov how much?
May 26 10:42:36 <noobmonk3y> my missus lets me and my n900 just continue our relationship - as long as i tell her she looks beautiful every so often, works for me
May 26 10:42:38 * SpeedEvil sighs.
May 26 10:42:39 <Milo-> I'll buy her right now
May 26 10:42:51 <SpeedEvil> noobmonk3y: Does the n900 respond when you tell it that?
May 26 10:42:52 <Stskeeps> wtf is this 'my nokia' thing.
May 26 10:42:55 <noobmonk3y> an0therb0x: the target s your root lol
May 26 10:43:03 <noobmonk3y> SpeedEvil: it reb00ts :(
May 26 10:43:05 <SpeedEvil> Stskeeps: It's apparantly to SMS spam you.
May 26 10:43:12 <DrGrov> SpeedEvil, though I wonder how she likes my extremely long sleeping sessions and making noise like an idiot while sleeping :)
May 26 10:43:17 <noobmonk3y> Stskeeps: evil nokia sms text spam
May 26 10:43:19 <inz> noobmonk3y, by 'her', did you refer to your missus or your n900?
May 26 10:43:23 <DrGrov> Milo-, you pimp ;) she is not up for sales
May 26 10:43:28 <noobmonk3y> inz: both :P
May 26 10:43:33 <Milo-> DrGrov dang!
May 26 10:43:34 <Myrtti> "buy her..." *sigh*
May 26 10:43:37 <loufoque> pupnik: ctrl+shift+O doesn't do anything in the image viewer
May 26 10:43:40 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: it's basically Nokia sms-spamming you "tips'n'tricks" and in the long run they will probably start sending comercial messages as well (I get some of those)
May 26 10:43:50 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, you have a sort of a dirty relationship with your N900. That's the way I like it ah ah ah :)
May 26 10:43:56 <pupnik> loufoque: dunno, sometimes works here
May 26 10:44:01 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, but nice to hear you don't forget the "real" missus :)
May 26 10:44:03 <hrw> mynokia smses? crap tricks
May 26 10:44:03 <Stskeeps> tybollt_: ah, corporate evil
May 26 10:44:10 <RST38h> Ok. Cannot update using HAM. Cannot update using apt-get
May 26 10:44:22 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: Time to break out the butterfly.
May 26 10:44:25 <DrGrov> Milo-, you don't got yourself a nice missus eh? :(
May 26 10:44:31 <hrw> RST38h: but you got update info at all?
May 26 10:44:37 <portraitm> and i have probably the last question, i want to get the virtual keyboard out when sending sms
May 26 10:44:42 <RST38h> hrw: Yep, it shows the package
May 26 10:44:46 <Milo-> DrGrov no, haven't been able to find one that would appreciate my geeky habbits
May 26 10:44:49 * MaikB is in the progress of installing the packages that are listed in the backup
May 26 10:44:54 <RST38h> hrw: Is there any way to check for conflicts without really installing?
May 26 10:44:59 <Stskeeps> "Attempt to unsubscribe has failed"
May 26 10:45:00 <Stskeeps> wtf.
May 26 10:45:01 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 10:45:05 <Milo-> habits*
May 26 10:45:10 <cehteh> RST38h: same here
May 26 10:45:11 <MaikB> it is confusing not to have the cpu monitor to look at
May 26 10:45:15 <MaikB> :)
May 26 10:45:19 <SpeedEvil> Stskeeps: I'm not sure - I think it sent a - chargeable - SMS to unsubscribe
May 26 10:45:27 <an0therb0x> noobmonk3y: nothing to remove under rootfs its all system files
May 26 10:45:28 <timeless_mbp> RST38h: apt-get has a dry run flag
May 26 10:45:36 <tybollt_> -n yeah?
May 26 10:45:39 <DrGrov> Milo-, trust me. you will find one some day. you will be enlightened i am sure.
May 26 10:45:41 <MaikB> fortunately ssh is one of the first things thet got installed
May 26 10:45:44 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: real? whats real? - i have a picture of the other missus on my n900 - thats as real as things get? - oh damn i need to get a life
May 26 10:45:44 <MaikB> top ftw
May 26 10:46:05 <noobmonk3y> an0therb0x: lol - lets start from the beginning, you are trying an over the air PR1.2 upgrade i assume?
May 26 10:46:21 <an0therb0x> noobmonk3y: correct
May 26 10:46:22 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, yes perhaps it is time to upgrade yourself a bit eh lol ;)
May 26 10:46:34 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, nah, you just make sweet love to the N900.
May 26 10:46:46 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, it will as you've seen say NO to anything you do with it....
May 26 10:46:56 <tybollt_> put on some Barry White and go down on it
May 26 10:46:59 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, god damn!
May 26 10:47:05 <noobmonk3y> an0therb0x: and you have not got enough room it is saying? can you tell me how much room you have in your root free please?
May 26 10:47:12 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, i mean it will never say no like a real missus would do
May 26 10:47:16 <noobmonk3y> lol DrGrov
May 26 10:47:21 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: puter says nooooooooo
May 26 10:47:29 <tybollt_> hell yes din grove fan :)
May 26 10:47:31 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, god damn i am becoming insane here
May 26 10:47:41 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: i work in mental health - so does revKathy lol
May 26 10:47:47 <an0therb0x> noobmonk3y: rootfs                  227.8M    200.8M     22.7M  90% /
May 26 10:47:56 <tybollt_> DrGrov: s,becoming,are, ;)
May 26 10:47:56 <noobmonk3y> ok... you need space....
May 26 10:48:17 <noobmonk3y> an0therb0x:  can you disable all repo's bar the one needed for the update (specifically extras devel and testing please) - just disable do not delete
May 26 10:48:25 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, you got some space there for a loner like me? rofl
May 26 10:48:26 <noobmonk3y> then let me know the space
May 26 10:48:38 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: system says 18 spare beds atm
May 26 10:48:47 <noobmonk3y> could get a double, for you and the n900 ;)
May 26 10:48:50 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, damn. that is a lot
May 26 10:49:04 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, oh. a double you say you dirty little bastard :)
May 26 10:49:06 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: in 14 buildings, not a lot lol
May 26 10:49:58 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, damn you. make 18 spare beds in one building and we got a deal :) lol
May 26 10:50:11 <noobmonk3y> haha - how many phones are you in a relationship with!!! lol
May 26 10:50:31 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, let me count actually....
May 26 10:50:41 <MaikB> Means knowing one phone knowing them all?
May 26 10:50:49 <an0therb0x> noobmonk3y: i disabled all catalogs except for nokia applications and nokia system software updates
May 26 10:51:06 <noobmonk3y> how much root free now?
May 26 10:51:08 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, i do have a Nokia 3120 Classic, a Nokia N73, a Samsung S5600, a Nokia N97 which the missus has, a Nokia N900, a Nokia 2680 something for a work phone
May 26 10:51:25 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, so i count my private phones to 4 or 5 about...
May 26 10:51:30 <noobmonk3y> lol you phone'enizer!
May 26 10:51:42 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: and the woman still loves you! - she's a keeper!
May 26 10:51:56 <noobmonk3y> (or a zoo keeper lol)
May 26 10:52:15 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, of course she is not too happy though about me getting a new phone once in a while but she starts to understand my craving for phones and geeky stuff
May 26 10:52:32 <noobmonk3y> does that means she gets your sloppy seconds so to speak?
May 26 10:52:33 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, my next phone will be a Nokia 9500i i think
May 26 10:52:42 <MaikB> device is restored.. phew
May 26 10:52:46 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, no. i keep all my phones dearly like a flower on the palm
May 26 10:53:29 <noobmonk3y> an0therb0x: how much rootfs free now?
May 26 10:53:35 <noobmonk3y> congrats MaikB
May 26 10:53:44 <an0therb0x> noobmonk3y: looks like its not going to be possible i am at 89% capacity with 25.0M available
May 26 10:53:45 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: n9500i?
May 26 10:53:55 <noobmonk3y> hmmm it's always possible :p
May 26 10:54:00 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, no. the Communicator 9500i or 9300i
May 26 10:54:08 <noobmonk3y> NSU or flashing is one way - but there are things to do to help :D
May 26 10:54:12 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, or what the name was again. can't remember lol
May 26 10:54:50 <an0therb0x> noobmonk3y: it needs 113.6M on a file system with a total size of 227.8M
May 26 10:54:57 <noobmonk3y> an0therb0x: PM me (On web irc atm, so can't initiate easily)
May 26 10:56:17 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, just type /query nick
May 26 10:56:30 <MaikB> yay, removing entries from the current play list..
May 26 10:56:37 <MaikB> finally
May 26 10:57:49 <lcuk> an0therb0x, do simple things, disable your -devel -testing and other misc repositories and see how much space
May 26 10:58:07 <lcuk> afaik you dont need to start with >100mb even through the update is 119mb :)
May 26 10:58:20 <chadi> do you guys expect PR 1.2.1?
May 26 10:58:21 <lcuk> (first thing it does is reshuffles and makes tonnes more space)
May 26 10:58:27 <MaikB> rootfs                  227.9M    132.5M     91.1M  59% /
May 26 10:58:29 <MaikB> nice
May 26 10:58:40 <chadi> there seems to be a lot of threads about PR 1.2 bugs
May 26 10:59:00 <MohammadAG> morning lcuk
May 26 10:59:19 <RST38h> Hmmmm... apt-get dry run works
May 26 10:59:27 <RST38h> apt-get install needs more space in archives/
May 26 10:59:31 <RST38h> HAM just plain fails
May 26 11:00:00 <MohammadAG> is it me or does facebook try to download the home.php page now
May 26 11:00:33 <lcuk> RST38h, if you are using apt-get then why are you moaning about HAM
May 26 11:00:39 <lcuk> morning MohammadAG
May 26 11:01:37 <toresbe> hey guys
May 26 11:01:50 <toresbe> I'm trying to install PR1.2 but I'm having some trouble
May 26 11:03:02 <toresbe> specifically
May 26 11:03:02 <toresbe> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
May 26 11:03:46 <MohammadAG> move it
May 26 11:04:38 <tybollt_> 7xdcc get meego-rel1-unofficial.bin Stskeeps
May 26 11:04:40 <tybollt_> ;)
May 26 11:04:57 <Stskeeps> tybollt_: it's an xterm, not sure why you'd fake that ;p
May 26 11:05:10 <hrw> did someone used kexec to boot own kernel on n900?
May 26 11:05:10 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: ;)
May 26 11:05:27 <Stskeeps> hrw: yes, but there's a reinitialisation problem in omapdss2
May 26 11:05:37 <RST38h> lcuk: I have tried both apt-get and HAM, neither works
May 26 11:05:39 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: just moaning... want unoptified (meego) noooooow =)
May 26 11:05:49 <RST38h> lcuk: apt-get says there is not enough space. HAM just fails.
May 26 11:06:11 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: are you allowed to talk about what you think of the looks and "shinyness" of QT gui vs current gnome-ish?
May 26 11:06:14 <lcuk> then backup and reflash
May 26 11:06:26 <MohammadAG> RST38h, move it!
May 26 11:06:31 <hrw> Stskeeps: so no screen
May 26 11:06:36 <MohammadAG> umm wait
May 26 11:06:39 <MohammadAG> HAM fails?
May 26 11:06:43 <RST38h> yes
May 26 11:06:48 <Stskeeps> hrw: no, just a lot of output to console
May 26 11:06:49 <RST38h> "You should use Ovi Suite for update"
May 26 11:06:53 <Stskeeps> hrw: screen works fine ;)
May 26 11:07:08 <tybollt_> RST38h: uhm it�s not released yet!?
May 26 11:07:19 <RST38h> whatever, PC Suite or somethign
May 26 11:07:20 <MohammadAG> RST38h, what does apt-get fail with?
May 26 11:07:33 <RST38h> not enough space in archives/
May 26 11:07:53 <noobmonk3y> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space -> Move apt cache outside of rootfs -maybe? :D
May 26 11:08:00 <hrw> RST38h: symlink it...
May 26 11:08:08 <RST38h> a'ok...
May 26 11:08:28 <BCMM> having pr1.2 frees up a lot of rootfs
May 26 11:08:44 <noobmonk3y> BCMM - you owe lcuk a bacon sandwhich i feel
May 26 11:08:51 <noobmonk3y> sandwich even
May 26 11:09:16 <noobmonk3y> or just a plate of bacon, screw the bread
May 26 11:09:17 <BCMM> noobmonk3y: was it him that told me that yesterday?
May 26 11:09:33 <noobmonk3y> he always needs bacon the more bacon he gets the more free rootfs space we seem to get
May 26 11:09:38 <BCMM> anyway, was very true on my device, so i'll repeat it :)
May 26 11:09:42 <noobmonk3y> hehehe :D
May 26 11:09:48 <toresbe> MohammadAG: that's fairly obvious, in hindsight - thanks
May 26 11:10:13 <lcuk> i have had no bacon for a while now :( i am unable to eat it for at least another 2 months
May 26 11:10:24 <noobmonk3y> wtf?!?!
May 26 11:10:28 <noobmonk3y> :| 2 months?!?!
May 26 11:10:43 <tybollt_> until you've converted out of islam/judaism?
May 26 11:10:43 <lcuk> thats when i may finally have a working mouth
May 26 11:10:51 <tybollt_> ouch?
May 26 11:10:55 <lcuk> yup
May 26 11:10:57 <noobmonk3y> omg and ouch
May 26 11:11:05 <tybollt_> what happened?
May 26 11:11:07 <lcuk> so i oculd suck on bacon lollies
May 26 11:11:19 <lcuk> but the experience isnt the same, i <3 crunchy bacon
May 26 11:11:39 <Ken-Young> Has OTA pr1.2 shown up anywhere besides the UK yet?
May 26 11:11:40 <Shapeshifter> uhm
May 26 11:11:41 <Shapeshifter> wtf
May 26 11:11:46 * SpeedEvil passes lcuk a bacon enema bag.
May 26 11:11:49 <lcuk> tybollt_, just having some dental reworking done and dont want to rock the boat
May 26 11:11:50 <Shapeshifter> I just flashed the new firmware an now all my settings have been reset
May 26 11:11:53 <ptl> what is the name of the PR1.2 update package? I can't get it on HAM.
May 26 11:11:54 <Shapeshifter> my mails are gone etc
May 26 11:11:58 <Shapeshifter> and the apps I had installed
May 26 11:12:01 <iPeter-> hei
May 26 11:12:05 <Shapeshifter> I did not flash the emmc
May 26 11:12:07 <tybollt_> lcuk: fair enough
May 26 11:12:07 <ptl> Ken-Young: according to some people on tmo, yes
May 26 11:12:08 <Stskeeps> Shapeshifter: if you reflashed, of course a lot of things go bad..
May 26 11:12:16 <Stskeeps> Shapeshifter: not all settings are on emmc
May 26 11:12:26 <Shapeshifter> so I should have made a backup
May 26 11:12:27 <Shapeshifter> xD
May 26 11:12:27 <Robot101> Shapeshifter: doing a backup and restoring it is a normal part of the backup process...
May 26 11:12:29 <Stskeeps> if you wanted to keep things, you should have OTA'ed
May 26 11:12:30 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 11:12:30 <Shapeshifter> fail
May 26 11:12:33 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, "you flashed new firmware"  ok, so use the restore tool to restore your settings and data
May 26 11:12:34 <Robot101> er, reflash process
May 26 11:12:36 <Ken-Young> ptl Thanks
May 26 11:13:07 <ptl> Ken-Young: but I can't get the update to show
May 26 11:13:08 <Shapeshifter> lcuk: I assume it did not make a backup automatically.
May 26 11:13:17 <iPeter-> i dled new update and i understood i could dl rollecoaster game from somewher but i cant find it from ovistore or app manager
May 26 11:13:26 <Ken-Young> ptl Me neither.   I'm in the US.
May 26 11:13:59 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, :) why ever would you assume that?
May 26 11:14:05 <ptl> apt-get dist-upgrade shows 111 Mb of packages
May 26 11:14:09 <lcuk> everywhere tells you to backup
May 26 11:14:14 <lcuk> EVERYWHERE
May 26 11:14:18 <Shapeshifter> lcuk: well.
May 26 11:14:45 <lcuk> iPeter-, isnt ovi on its way through
May 26 11:14:50 <Shapeshifter> I went here http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware and like... hit "linux" and read on from there
May 26 11:14:52 <lcuk> didnt i see a post saying thursday?
May 26 11:14:53 <Shapeshifter> meh
May 26 11:15:11 <tybollt_> clearly this is what you need lcuk�; http://www.kavli.se/wps/wcm/connect/se/Produkter/Bredbar+ost/Baconost
May 26 11:15:17 <tybollt_> ost == cheese
May 26 11:15:40 <Shapeshifter> still it's kinda weird. when booted up now, I still saw my own background wallpaper. then it disappeared and was replaced by the blue one. and "cannot do operation, internal error" or something like that popped up twice
May 26 11:15:58 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, any computer upgrades and especially a reformat require proper backing up :'(
May 26 11:16:12 <Shapeshifter> yeah I should have thought of that
May 26 11:16:14 <lcuk> mmmm baconarom
May 26 11:16:23 <Shapeshifter> would have been nice if the flasher would do a backup automatically though ;)
May 26 11:16:52 <lcuk> ahem, linux console does not dick around or mollycoddle the user
May 26 11:17:06 <RST38h> apt-get installing...
May 26 11:17:06 <Shapeshifter> yeah ;)
May 26 11:17:11 <lcuk> the ham explicitely tells you to
May 26 11:17:18 * RST38h holds fingers crossed
May 26 11:17:33 <aboyer> i am looking into the possibility of compiling the bc-cat kernel module for maemo/n900. this modules allows for opengl texture streaming and depends on the SGX sdk. has anyone done this already? is there a package or binary available somewhere?
May 26 11:18:51 <SpeedEvil> it's designed for arm?
May 26 11:19:39 <aboyer> SpeedEvil: it should be, it supports omap3x and sgx
May 26 11:19:46 <aboyer> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide
May 26 11:19:47 <tybollt_> RST38h: na z'dorovje
May 26 11:20:28 <ptl> what should I do for the update to PR1.2 appear?
May 26 11:20:47 <ptl> I never reflashed my N900, I never used overclocked kernel
May 26 11:20:56 <ptl> but I refresh from HAM and the update does not appear.
May 26 11:21:03 <ptl> I deactivated extras-devel
May 26 11:21:08 <anonuk> just a heads up for people,    apt-get dist-upgrade broke my device
May 26 11:21:19 <anonuk> sent it into a reboot loop
May 26 11:21:25 <Corsac> ptl: just wait
May 26 11:21:36 <anonuk> (and ive no usb port to flash again :( )
May 26 11:21:44 <tybollt_> anonuk: FLASH for you.
May 26 11:21:55 <anonuk> tybollt_: no usb port so thats not a possibility
May 26 11:21:57 <ptl> Corsac: but there are people who managed to do it
May 26 11:21:57 <SpeedEvil> what do you mean no USB port?
May 26 11:22:04 <anonuk> SpeedEvil: broke out
May 26 11:22:16 <SpeedEvil> anonuk: So return for service
May 26 11:22:16 <tybollt_> anonuk: SOL mate
May 26 11:22:21 <anonuk> SpeedEvil: some 'friend' dropped it
May 26 11:22:34 <jaska> now to replace my libvte with the darkgrey and border fixes :|
May 26 11:22:41 <anonuk> SpeedEvil: was secondhand dunno if i can get service on it
May 26 11:22:46 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 26 11:22:57 <Corsac> ptl: yes, in .eu, for us you might need to wait
May 26 11:23:00 <SpeedEvil> I would phone and ask.
May 26 11:23:06 <Corsac> ptl: all updates aren't pushed at the same time
May 26 11:23:25 <anonuk> SpeedEvil: im hoping maybe i can fix it by booting off SD to a different OS, as bootmenu is installed
May 26 11:24:05 <ptl> Corsac: no, the update for north america
May 26 11:24:15 <ptl> Corsac: people in the US say they did it
May 26 11:24:17 <frals> afternoon everyone o/
May 26 11:24:30 <lcuk> \o
May 26 11:24:41 <frals> hows you lcuk?
May 26 11:25:02 <chadi> hey fMMS
May 26 11:25:44 <EsbenH> Just updated my n900 firmware with the app manager, and device seems to reboot itself in a loop :-((
May 26 11:26:02 <Appiah> ouch
May 26 11:26:03 <RST38h> time to use PC Suite then
May 26 11:26:08 <RST38h> or flasher
May 26 11:26:15 <an0therb0x> i am stuck in a rebooting loop, i may have hosed my n900
May 26 11:26:17 <EsbenH> where do I find doc on that?
May 26 11:26:18 <thresh> flasher works fine for me
May 26 11:26:19 <chadi> what's wrong with infinite loops today?
May 26 11:26:22 <thresh> after a reboot loop ;-)
May 26 11:26:23 <RST38h> tybollt: not until it installs ;)
May 26 11:26:27 <anonuk> an0therb0x: same with me :(
May 26 11:26:40 <RST38h> inifinite loops will be fixed in pr1.3
May 26 11:26:44 <thresh> :)
May 26 11:26:45 <kehna> any solutions to an n900 refusing to install apps?
May 26 11:26:55 <thresh> kehna: tell it in harsh voice to do so.
May 26 11:26:56 <RST38h> file a bug report, contact nokia care, discuss it in brainstorm
May 26 11:27:01 <kehna> i'll try
May 26 11:27:04 <Appiah> kehna: depends on which app and why
May 26 11:27:24 <Appiah> what errors do you get?
May 26 11:27:29 <RST38h> it is a serious bug though, probably unfixable unless you make a human sacrifice to the Tentacled One
May 26 11:27:43 <RST38h> (no, rabbits won't do this time though)
May 26 11:28:55 <EsbenH> when it (tries to) boot I get  wush sound, a themes background, a pink box in top left corner, and a bar underneath with 0000000 in it.
May 26 11:29:04 <EsbenH> anybody else having the same problem?
May 26 11:29:12 <ptl> no
May 26 11:29:19 <ptl> I didn't even get the update to show up on HAM
May 26 11:29:23 <xorAxAx> is 1.2 already out in .de?
May 26 11:29:35 <EsbenH> it is in .dk, and now my n900 is dead :-(
May 26 11:30:20 <tybollt_> RST38h: :) fine, but I'm sure it'll be fine though.
May 26 11:30:32 <mece> hey what's the standard separator object called in pygtk? I remember using something like that, but forget where. like <hr> in html.
May 26 11:30:42 <RST38h> tybollt: it is a proto device
May 26 11:30:48 <tybollt_> Oh ok
May 26 11:30:57 <RST38h> tybollt: which means a at least a couple of things may go wrong
May 26 11:31:08 <tybollt_> ja, I understand
May 26 11:31:16 <lcuk> posts like this remind me why i like maemo so much: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=679015&postcount=40 :)
May 26 11:32:16 <an0therb0x> update just killed my n900, nokia has finally convinced me to switch ... XPERIA X10 here i come
May 26 11:32:33 <thresh> ok thanks for telling us that!
May 26 11:32:40 <an0therb0x> no problem
May 26 11:32:45 <ptl> you waited so much for PR1.2 and will switch just because the update failed?
May 26 11:32:46 <mece> an0therb0x, LOOOOOOOOL
May 26 11:32:56 <mece> lcuk, ftw!
May 26 11:32:58 <ptl> I just wanted PR1.2
May 26 11:33:19 <toresbe> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/adobe-flashplayer_3.0.0.82+0m5_armel.deb
May 26 11:33:20 <Stskeeps> an0therb0x: just flash it with the right fiasco image and you should be a happy boy. did you backup as being told to?
May 26 11:33:22 <pigeon> ahha! i see pr1.2 from my app manager...
May 26 11:33:22 <toresbe> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
May 26 11:33:22 <toresbe> hmh
May 26 11:33:25 <toresbe> sh: getcwd: No such file or directory
May 26 11:33:25 <ptl> and as soon as I get it, even if I brick my device, I'll be satisfied (I'll unbrick it with the firmware images, no problem)
May 26 11:33:29 <RST38h> an0therb0x: Very good idea, switch to Xperia immediately
May 26 11:33:36 <sivang> s somebody responded to me here, and the backlog was lost
May 26 11:33:40 <RST38h> an0therb0x: You are making a perfect choice
May 26 11:33:41 <sivang> please retype )
May 26 11:33:43 <ptl> pigeon: what is the secret?
May 26 11:33:46 <Ken-Young> OTA pr1.2 just showed up on my tablet in the US.   Wasn't there 15 minutes ago.
May 26 11:33:47 <ptl> why can't I get it?
May 26 11:34:01 <pigeon> the secret was i waited almost a day...
May 26 11:34:12 <mece> hey the gtk separator is called... wait for it... gtk.separator! OMG!
May 26 11:34:13 <toresbe> works on reinstall.
May 26 11:34:33 <ptl> oh
May 26 11:34:38 <thresh> damn
May 26 11:34:43 <ptl> I don't have mp-fremantle-002-pr
May 26 11:34:52 <an0therb0x> RST38h: will do, thank you sir
May 26 11:34:54 <thresh> i need to connect nookla via usb to get the packages from backup back. the problem is I don't have a root.
May 26 11:35:05 <thresh> meh.
May 26 11:35:24 * noobmonk3y blinks
May 26 11:35:38 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, so if I update now I just do a backup with the own N900 software?
May 26 11:35:39 <thresh> and no libicd-network-usb in PR12 preinstalled :-(
May 26 11:35:47 <MohammadAG_> yes
May 26 11:35:49 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, will I lose my settings and contacts?
May 26 11:35:54 <MohammadAG_> OTA - no
May 26 11:36:01 <MohammadAG_> reflash - yes, only settings
May 26 11:36:09 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: the n900 backup worked fine for me, device was as-was when i restored ;)
May 26 11:36:13 <MohammadAG_> (and apps - but you didn't ask about them)
May 26 11:36:14 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, good :) I will do a backup just in case something goes horribly wrong
May 26 11:36:27 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, I hate to do all settings again :)
May 26 11:36:27 <MohammadAG_> shit happens
May 26 11:36:27 <MohammadAG_> :)
May 26 11:36:29 <EsbenH> DrGrov: better remember the backup, PR1.2 seems to brick devices :-(
May 26 11:36:31 <noobmonk3y> but you can select what you want to restore
May 26 11:36:41 <chadi> do you guys have any idea why "My Nokia" is crashing my Settings application?
May 26 11:36:41 <noobmonk3y> ie contacts / apps etc
May 26 11:36:44 <MohammadAG_> EsbenH, no bricks here
May 26 11:36:45 <DrGrov> EsbenH, it bricks devices?
May 26 11:36:53 <thresh> it doesnt brick it
May 26 11:36:55 <noobmonk3y> chadi: because it is nokias version of spam'a'lot?
May 26 11:37:00 <thresh> just a new feature of reboot loops
May 26 11:37:00 <EsbenH> 2 or 3 here already reported it, including me.
May 26 11:37:06 <chadi> no bricks here
May 26 11:37:08 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, any need to backup applications?
May 26 11:37:08 <MohammadAG_> how did you upgrade?
May 26 11:37:12 <noobmonk3y> EsbenH: hmmmmmm any update has a chance of doing that?!
May 26 11:37:16 <ptl> dang
May 26 11:37:20 <chadi> noobmonk3y, but I like spam
May 26 11:37:23 <noobmonk3y> lol!
May 26 11:37:30 <MohammadAG_> DrGrov, you can't backup applications, you can back up application lists
May 26 11:37:31 <EsbenH> did anyone have success with OTA PR1.2 update, or did all you lucky guys use flasher?
May 26 11:37:35 <chadi> Im curious to know what it is about
May 26 11:37:40 <ptl> if I try to install mp-fremantle-002-pr it tries to download 110 MB of extra packages
May 26 11:37:44 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, ah okay. Just settings and contacts then.
May 26 11:37:47 <chadi> no seriously, does anyone else have this problem?
May 26 11:37:48 <ptl> EsbenH: I am trying to make it appear here
May 26 11:37:51 <thresh> I had an infinite-loop after apt-get dist-upgrade, then i reflashed ;-)
May 26 11:37:54 <MohammadAG_> DrGrov, do a full backup
May 26 11:38:01 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, ok. will do a full backup
May 26 11:38:02 <Stskeeps> sigh
May 26 11:38:07 <ptl> should I do apt-get install mp-fremantle-002-pr?
May 26 11:38:08 <Stskeeps> dist-upgrade failing is your own darn faults
May 26 11:38:08 <MohammadAG_> apt-get dist-upgrade causes problems
May 26 11:38:08 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 11:38:16 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, what should I do if something goes wrong? Just apply the latest full backup?
May 26 11:38:30 <MohammadAG_> which can be circumvented using dirty methods
May 26 11:38:39 <noobmonk3y> hmmm probably obvious question....
May 26 11:38:45 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, will my 32GB storage be intact without losing any stuff from there?
May 26 11:38:51 <MohammadAG_> yes
May 26 11:39:00 <noobmonk3y> we can currently screenshot the device, anything around to record the device? (Other then doing it from a pc?)
May 26 11:39:01 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, so no lost information ? :)
May 26 11:39:03 <DrGrov> God damn!
May 26 11:39:12 <ptl> MohammadAG_: do you know if there is any way of me installing mp-fremantle-002-pr safely and then upgrading via HAM?
May 26 11:39:13 <DrGrov> Now I will just do this before my fiancee gets irritated :) LOL
May 26 11:39:15 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov: it doesnt make you a cup of tea though :(
May 26 11:39:26 <MohammadAG_> DrGrov, you're a bit overreacting lol
May 26 11:39:29 <noobmonk3y> you need the fiancee to do that!
May 26 11:39:37 <RST38h> Gasson surgically implanted an RFID chip infected by malware into his hand. He claimed claim this made him the first human to become "infected with a computer virus".
May 26 11:39:40 <MohammadAG_> ptl, apt-get install it?
May 26 11:39:43 <RST38h> British scientists...
May 26 11:39:50 <MohammadAG_> -scientists
May 26 11:39:50 <noobmonk3y> i am quite parcial to getting a massage from the gf at the same time as updating... lol
May 26 11:39:51 <MohammadAG_> :P
May 26 11:40:00 <ptl> MohammadAG_: If I do it, it tries to push 119 MB of extra packages
May 26 11:40:19 <MohammadAG_> ptl, duh.. that's the update
May 26 11:40:19 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y, yes. my fiancee will do my PR 1.2 update :)
May 26 11:40:20 <MohammadAG_> umm
May 26 11:40:25 <MohammadAG_> sec
May 26 11:40:46 <ptl> MohammadAG_: I know, but I don't want to do it via apt-get because people here says it's failing.
May 26 11:40:55 <MohammadAG_> ptl, you need to install the old version
May 26 11:41:16 <MohammadAG_> hmm
May 26 11:41:19 <pigeon> DrGrov: you have a lot of confident in your relationship ;)
May 26 11:41:29 <pigeon> confidence even
May 26 11:41:31 <MohammadAG_> 3.2010.02-8 AFAIK
May 26 11:41:40 <ptl> MohammadAG_: yes. How?
May 26 11:41:42 <ptl> MohammadAG_: apt-cache policy does not show it.
May 26 11:41:49 <ptl> :(
May 26 11:41:52 <MohammadAG_> apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=3.2010.02-8
May 26 11:42:00 <tybollt_> noobmonk3y: you mimicing that scene in "Swordfish"? :P
May 26 11:42:17 <ptl> E: Couldn't find package mp-fremantle-generic-pr
May 26 11:42:31 <MohammadAG_> umm
May 26 11:42:35 <MohammadAG_> replace generic with your code
May 26 11:42:40 <ptl> also, for -002
May 26 11:42:42 <ptl> E: Version '3.2010.02-8' for 'mp-fremantle-002-pr' was not found
May 26 11:43:01 <ptl> only      10.2010.19-1.002 0
May 26 11:43:07 <noobmonk3y> lol tybollt_
May 26 11:43:08 <ptl> no previous version
May 26 11:43:25 <MohammadAG_> ptl, you can always fabricate it :)
May 26 11:43:41 <MohammadAG_> (or ask someone with the old firmware to repack it
May 26 11:43:42 <ptl> how?
May 26 11:43:43 <MohammadAG_> )
May 26 11:43:58 <ptl> can someone with the older firmware from north america repack here for me?
May 26 11:44:03 <loufoque> what does OTA stand for?
May 26 11:44:13 <MohammadAG_> Over The Air
May 26 11:44:34 <EsbenH> And specifically, I meant using App Manager
May 26 11:45:03 <loufoque> MohammadAG_: wasn't that called SSU or something?
May 26 11:45:13 <Lazy^> Hey, i have install tar-gnu package to N900. Now i'm trying to extract .tar.gz packa with option tar xzf but i get an error tar: invalid tar magic
May 26 11:45:16 <MohammadAG_> SSU = Seamless Software Update
May 26 11:45:20 <MohammadAG_> OTA = Over The Air
May 26 11:45:26 <Lazy^> am i missing a package or
May 26 11:45:39 * frals trouts MohammadAG_
May 26 11:45:41 <phellarv> Lazy^: tar -xvzf ?
May 26 11:45:55 <loufoque> MohammadAG_: SSU is OTA
May 26 11:46:05 <phellarv> All this is PITA
May 26 11:46:08 <Milo-> how did I disable the annoying startup video? (the dang hands)
May 26 11:46:20 <MohammadAG_> loufoque, your point?
May 26 11:46:22 * tybollt_ hands frals a whale - there, trout him w/ that =)
May 26 11:46:37 * MohammadAG_ throws a noobmonk3y at frals 
May 26 11:46:49 * noobmonk3y giggles in mid-flight
May 26 11:46:49 <loufoque> MohammadAG_: using tons of acronyms for the same thing is confusing
May 26 11:46:51 * frals throws a whale at noobmonk3y
May 26 11:46:58 * noobmonk3y eats the whale and farts
May 26 11:47:00 <jaska> edit /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf then comment out the filename= line with a #
May 26 11:47:08 <jaska> gets rid of the wiggling hands and noise
May 26 11:47:13 <tybollt_> hehe
May 26 11:47:16 <MohammadAG_> loufoque, it's the interwebz, get used to it :P
May 26 11:47:19 <tybollt_> so nibbler/futurama
May 26 11:47:27 <SpeedEvil> Or replace it with rickroll.
May 26 11:47:31 <Milo-> jaska thanks :)
May 26 11:47:36 <Shapeshifter> where's ifconfig?
May 26 11:47:44 <MohammadAG_> on the device
May 26 11:47:48 <MohammadAG_> not in user's path though
May 26 11:47:49 <loufoque> Shapeshifter: /sbin
May 26 11:47:53 <Shapeshifter> loufoque: thanks!
May 26 11:47:56 <DrGrov> pigeon, damn straight I have confidence in our relationship :)
May 26 11:48:05 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, now it is getting the firmware
May 26 11:48:07 <sx0n> whereis ifconfig
May 26 11:48:19 <SpeedEvil> <panto>
May 26 11:48:25 <SpeedEvil> sx0n: Right behind you!
May 26 11:48:26 <DrGrov> god damn!
May 26 11:48:28 <SpeedEvil> </panto>
May 26 11:48:28 <DrGrov> i am excited!
May 26 11:48:29 <jaska> yay, dark grey works now \o/
May 26 11:49:18 <DrGrov> god damn!
May 26 11:49:22 <DrGrov> it seems like it halted....
May 26 11:49:31 <DrGrov> freaking things these updates
May 26 11:49:49 <MohammadAG_> told ya
May 26 11:50:00 <DrGrov> my fiancee will kill me soon she said!
May 26 11:50:02 <DrGrov> LOL
May 26 11:50:09 <DrGrov> i am being paranoid about this update according to her
May 26 11:50:13 <MohammadAG_> <MohammadAG_> shit happens
May 26 11:50:21 <sivang> DrGrov: she using the phone ? :)
May 26 11:50:22 <ptl> dang, I just needed old mp-fremantle-002-pr... Could I get it from a previous FIASCO image?
May 26 11:50:28 <DrGrov> sivang, yes. she is using the phone
May 26 11:50:31 <pigeon> is there anything i should do before upgrading to 1.2 OTA?
May 26 11:50:45 <sivang> DrGrov: hehe, tell her that's the thing in dog fooding.
May 26 11:50:57 <pigeon> apart from backups, that is. is there something i should uninstall or disable first
May 26 11:51:00 <pvanhoof> hmm
May 26 11:51:05 <jaska> also, anyone else run into trouble trying to run the desktop environment in sbox when in fremantle_armel target?
May 26 11:51:08 <DrGrov> sivang, trust me. you don't want to keep messing around when she is angry lol
May 26 11:51:10 <pvanhoof> this new update tells me to use some piece of software on my PC
May 26 11:51:15 <pvanhoof> what is this about? what software?
May 26 11:51:39 <sivang> DrGrov: oh dear.I h one likethis, she's gone now :)
May 26 11:51:42 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, will the update still keep my ringtone?
May 26 11:52:01 <MohammadAG_> LOL seriously mate
May 26 11:52:08 <Appiah> :D
May 26 11:52:09 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, what!?
May 26 11:52:18 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, LOL
May 26 11:52:26 <sivang> DrGrov: actualy there afix there for the ring tone slector on a crash I reported :)
May 26 11:52:26 <MohammadAG_> yes it will lol
May 26 11:52:32 <sivang> heheh
May 26 11:52:57 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, perhaps I will revert back to a old god damn Nokia that has absolutely nothing?
May 26 11:53:06 <DrGrov> WTF? Action failed.... Seriously
May 26 11:53:18 <MohammadAG_> It's called Operation not action
May 26 11:53:22 <DrGrov> But still updating...
May 26 11:53:22 <MohammadAG_> Operation Failed
May 26 11:53:26 <MohammadAG_> your device will now reboot
May 26 11:53:33 <DrGrov> Damn you Nooooookia1
May 26 11:53:34 <DrGrov> !
May 26 11:53:36 <DrGrov> lol
May 26 11:53:37 <frals> and kabooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
May 26 11:53:44 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, explodes!
May 26 11:53:44 <zokier> so pr1.2 is out. is version "10.2010.19-1" pr1.2?
May 26 11:53:45 * shiny_____ dutifully explodes
May 26 11:53:49 <pigeon> hmm now i get that "you must use the nokia software update application on your pc"...
May 26 11:54:04 <Surfa> pigeon, that's solvable
May 26 11:54:19 <DrGrov> god damn autolock
May 26 11:54:27 <DrGrov> autolock can still be active without problems?
May 26 11:54:31 <Surfa> pigeon, most likely you have certain applications there that would create dependency problems
May 26 11:54:38 <zokier> this feels bit buggy so i was wondering if i accidentally installed some beta or something
May 26 11:54:48 <Surfa> pigeon, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=677105&postcount=12 check for those applications
May 26 11:54:49 <DrGrov> should i just ignore the autolock and let the device work as normal?
May 26 11:55:43 <Surfa> MohammadAG_, it appears to print that error message once or twice during update, don't know why, but upgrade seems to work anyway
May 26 11:56:49 <DrGrov> god damn this upgrade is slooow
May 26 11:57:13 <ivan4th> did anyone try to install PR1.2 on repartitioned N900?
May 26 11:57:31 <DrGrov> any need to add new repositories after the PR 1.2 update?
May 26 11:58:22 <SpeedEvil> ivan4th: I have reparttitioned my mydocs to 5G size, and added a 'data' partition of 25G
May 26 11:58:26 <SpeedEvil> ivan4th: no issues
May 26 11:58:35 <SpeedEvil> DrGrov: I added the SDK ones.
May 26 11:58:41 <SpeedEvil> But that's because I'm wierd.
May 26 11:58:47 <DrGrov> SpeedEvil, ok. lol :)
May 26 11:58:55 <ivan4th> I have /usr on eMMC
May 26 11:59:09 <SpeedEvil> ivan4th: I would expect that to much more likely have problems.
May 26 11:59:17 <SpeedEvil> ivan4th: Back up, and prepare to reflash
May 26 11:59:24 <ivan4th> My device survived PR1.0.1 and PR1.1 upgrades (though it needed some intervention)
May 26 11:59:25 <DrGrov> will be interesting to see what is new in PR 1.2
May 26 11:59:42 <SpeedEvil> DrGrov: Annoyingly, my three top bugs were not addressed.
May 26 11:59:56 <DrGrov> SpeedEvil, what were those 3 bugs?
May 26 11:59:56 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584
May 26 11:59:57 <povbot`> Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)
May 26 12:00:09 <zokier> so far 1.2 has been a disappointment here
May 26 12:00:15 <kirma> huh?
May 26 12:00:23 <DrGrov> zokier, nothing new and nice then? :(
May 26 12:00:25 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9827
May 26 12:00:25 <povbot`> Bug 9827: Blocks should have highscore
May 26 12:00:33 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9826
May 26 12:00:33 <povbot`> Bug 9826: Blocks collision detection bug
May 26 12:01:35 <zokier> DrGrov, yet to see anything nice, but have been using just few hours for now
May 26 12:01:50 <DrGrov> zokier, ok.
May 26 12:01:52 * noobmonk3y expected free porn with 1.2 oh well.......... 
May 26 12:02:02 <noobmonk3y> ooo lunchtime............
May 26 12:02:06 <SpeedEvil> noobmonk3y: It has MrHands.
May 26 12:02:10 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, how can I be sure that there will be no probolems?
May 26 12:02:17 <DrGrov> MohammadAG_, *problems
May 26 12:02:23 <noobmonk3y_afk> lol SpeedEvil
May 26 12:02:37 <SpeedEvil> It worked just fine for me - the over-the-air
May 26 12:02:58 <DrGrov> SpeedEvil, no problems with contacts being separated in two different names ?
May 26 12:03:04 <SpeedEvil> Umm...
May 26 12:03:14 <SpeedEvil> I have about 8 contacts.
May 26 12:03:17 <SpeedEvil> They all look OK
May 26 12:03:24 <DrGrov> SpeedEvil, i have 2 numbers for many people but kept as one contact.
May 26 12:03:28 <SpeedEvil> I do not make heavy use of the calling features of the phone
May 26 12:03:35 <SpeedEvil> and none have 2 numbers
May 26 12:03:46 <Lazy^> Hello, i'm trying to chmod +x chroot.sh as root
May 26 12:03:47 <DrGrov> ok. i do make since it is impossible not too because of my work
May 26 12:03:57 <Lazy^>  but it doesn't give +x right for it
May 26 12:04:00 <chadi> I flashed, but didn't even loose the msn-pecan merging. That's great
May 26 12:04:08 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: you cannot make anything execute on the MyDocs partition, as it is vfat.
May 26 12:04:26 <Lazy^> ahh
May 26 12:04:33 <SpeedEvil>  /home should work
May 26 12:04:34 <alterego> Okay, maybe I spoke too soon, I can actually see all the GLES includes and libs in the sysroot, so I should be able to develop using the Nokia Qt SDK ..
May 26 12:04:56 <DrGrov> god damn this update is slow
May 26 12:05:29 <DrGrov> i think i will go down to 1 workspace.
May 26 12:06:24 <DrGrov> how about keeping my encrypted WLAN settings? that is possible?
May 26 12:07:41 <kirma> ehm. I don't see geotags at all on my n900 photos after PR1.2 upgrade...
May 26 12:08:27 <Appiah> is it enabled?
May 26 12:08:51 <Appiah> I remeber disabling this when I was asked..
May 26 12:08:52 <Trewas> OTA update started with "Operation failed" here too, but it still seems to be going on...
May 26 12:08:58 <Appiah> dunno where to enable it
May 26 12:09:19 <RST38h> Aha, it just killed my cell connection
May 26 12:09:25 <RST38h> Must be upgrading cellmo!
May 26 12:12:46 <ptl> p-p-pleaaaaaaaaaaaaase
May 26 12:12:59 <ptl> anyone has mp-fremantle-002-pr from PR1.1.1?
May 26 12:13:01 <X-Fade> ptl: just flash your device?
May 26 12:13:18 <ptl> X-Fade: I want the safest way
May 26 12:13:27 <X-Fade> ptl: That is the safest way :)
May 26 12:13:38 <Corsac> Trewas: “operation failed” seems to be spit when going to offline mode
May 26 12:13:45 <ptl> Why didn't Nokia let the older version stay there?
May 26 12:13:54 <X-Fade> ptl: it does.
May 26 12:14:01 <Talus_Laptop> greetings
May 26 12:14:05 <ptl> where? can I download it somewhere?
May 26 12:14:07 <SpeedEvil> ptl: get the old image, extract it with flasher, ...
May 26 12:14:16 <Talus_Laptop> anyone here from esbox project?
May 26 12:14:23 <X-Fade> ptl: Flashing takes 10 seconds, why bother?
May 26 12:14:42 <cehteh> whats the package name that provides the pr1.2 update in apt?
May 26 12:16:13 <ptl> cehteh: if you use global, mp-fremantle-generic-pr and if you use US mp-fremantle-002-pr
May 26 12:16:46 <cehteh> thanks
May 26 12:17:29 <ptl> X-Fade: flasher-3.5 -u RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin ? is that how I extract the PR1.1.1 image?
May 26 12:18:39 <MohammadAG> ptl, no
May 26 12:18:47 <MohammadAG> flasher-3.5 -F image.bin -u
May 26 12:19:01 <MohammadAG> you forgot the -f
May 26 12:19:06 <MohammadAG> -F*
May 26 12:19:26 <F66F> hi
May 26 12:19:37 <F66F> is there an way to geht 1.2 without an PC?
May 26 12:19:53 <ptl> I did it... no .deb's, only rootfs and such
May 26 12:20:01 <SpeedEvil> It should update automatically F66F
May 26 12:20:01 <Wolfie> wifi or 3g on the device itself works well
May 26 12:20:05 <ptl> it will take some time :/
May 26 12:20:20 <SpeedEvil> ptl: you get a ~100M or so ubifs image misnamed as a jffs that you need to mount
May 26 12:20:25 <F66F> the device Asced 4 an cp connection
May 26 12:20:36 <kevloral> Hi all
May 26 12:20:57 <Scelt> F66F: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 12:21:08 <F66F> thx
May 26 12:21:13 <Scelt> np
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May 26 12:21:25 <Scelt>  http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 OTA an fiasco shipping, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ | N900 tells "use PC for updat e" - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 12:21:29 <Scelt> 12:30:29 < hrw> can someone with @?
May 26 12:21:42 <pigeon> hmm is talk.maemo.org down for anyone?
May 26 12:21:53 <Scelt> yes
May 26 12:21:56 <Scelt> seems so
May 26 12:22:04 <Corsac> same here
May 26 12:22:05 <pigeon> or really really slow...
May 26 12:22:08 <Appiah> what's "OTA" ?
May 26 12:22:09 <Corsac> maybe they are upgrading it to pr1.2
May 26 12:22:14 <Corsac> Appiah: “over the air”
May 26 12:22:19 <X-Fade> ~ota
May 26 12:22:21 <infobot> hmm... ota is ssu
May 26 12:22:25 <Wolfie> :D
May 26 12:22:27 <Appiah> ~ssu
May 26 12:22:28 <X-Fade> ;)
May 26 12:22:28 <infobot> i guess ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU
May 26 12:22:53 <fraggeln> Is there anyway to resize / on a n900?
May 26 12:23:01 <Talus_Laptop> greetings
May 26 12:23:15 <X-Fade> fraggeln: Yes, but only smaller.
May 26 12:23:15 <fraggeln> I only have like 33mb left on /. its a bit hard to patch to the latest maemo then :/
May 26 12:23:32 <X-Fade> fraggeln: As it is the size of the physical chip.
May 26 12:23:33 <Talus_Laptop> anyone here using esbox ide ?
May 26 12:23:48 <X-Fade> fraggeln: disable extras and extras-devel, should save enough.
May 26 12:23:49 <fraggeln> X-Fade: my / is only 256mb, and the update is 136mb
May 26 12:24:00 <phellarv> fraggeln: Do a reflash = Problem solved
May 26 12:24:06 <MohammadAG> is there any way to use sudo in the SDK?
May 26 12:24:06 <SpeedEvil> fraggeln: wfm with 50M free
May 26 12:24:07 <X-Fade> fraggeln: That doesn't matter, it needs a bit under 50MB to work with.
May 26 12:24:12 <fraggeln> phellarv: reflash?
May 26 12:24:13 <MohammadAG> (or chroot)
May 26 12:24:27 <ptl> [root@ubuntola ~]# mount -o loop,ro -t ubifs /dados/n900/x/rootfs.jffs2 /mnt/tmp
May 26 12:24:29 <ptl> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
May 26 12:24:41 <SpeedEvil> ptl: it's not that simple
May 26 12:24:43 <Stskeeps> ptl: ubifs only works in a mtd environment
May 26 12:24:54 <ptl> so... how would I mount it?
May 26 12:25:00 <MohammadAG> ptl, see X86's post
May 26 12:25:06 <SpeedEvil> Bets on how long compiling the kernel will take on the phone?
May 26 12:25:10 <SpeedEvil> Started 13:22
May 26 12:25:13 <ptl> MohammadAG: which one? which url?
May 26 12:25:16 <phellarv> fraggeln: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing
May 26 12:25:38 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35554
May 26 12:26:14 <MohammadAG> btw tmo seems down
May 26 12:26:27 <pigeon> Surfa: hmm, that didn't help... maybe i need to uninstall some package that is not listed there...
May 26 12:27:10 <Surfa> libgles1-img-sgx
May 26 12:27:12 <Surfa> maybe?
May 26 12:27:32 <F66F> apt tells me about 1080 not upgraded packages Oo
May 26 12:27:48 <fraggeln> annoying. I cant upgrade using the Nokia Software Updater.
May 26 12:28:03 <fraggeln> nor using the application manager in the device
May 26 12:28:10 <F66F> fraggeln: y?
May 26 12:28:18 <cehteh> bah .. drat .. ota update still doesnt work
May 26 12:32:13 <ptl> X-Fade: I gave up, I'm flashing it
May 26 12:32:26 <ptl> only combined image
May 26 12:32:39 <ptl> do I need to take the battery out?
May 26 12:33:51 <GeneralAntilles> lardman|afk, pong?
May 26 12:34:49 <MohammadAG> ptl, follow the instructions
May 26 12:34:54 <Funnyface> yay the update is available in the reposies now :P
May 26 12:35:24 <Ikarus[N900]> huh, the pr1.2 update wants me to hook the phone to a pc ?
May 26 12:35:39 <fraggeln> anyone wanna buy a n900? Im starting to hate it more and more.
May 26 12:35:56 <Funnyface> fraggeln: what's wrong with it? :>
May 26 12:36:27 <Funnyface> <Ikarus[N900]>huh, the pr1.2 update wants me to hook the phone to a pc ?
May 26 12:36:36 <Funnyface> uhm.. apparently, it just wanted me to do the same thing -_-
May 26 12:36:42 <cehteh> here too
May 26 12:36:44 <fraggeln> Funnyface: lack of features, and now, impossible to upgrade to the latest maemo.
May 26 12:36:53 <cehteh> thats caused by some dependencies of installed software
May 26 12:36:54 <xorAxAx> hmm, apt-get upgrade doesnt work with PR 1.2 :-(
May 26 12:36:57 <Scelt> fraggeln Funnyface Ikarus[N900]: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 12:37:14 <X-Fade> xorAxAx: It isn't supposed to.
May 26 12:37:14 <cehteh> i am now surgically upgrading it with apt and some hacks
May 26 12:37:17 <Bluewind> xorAxAx: what doesn't?
May 26 12:37:31 <Bluewind> so far apt-get works here
May 26 12:37:31 <xorAxAx> Bluewind: it reboots the device directly
May 26 12:37:42 <X-Fade> If you upgrade with apt,you will have less space on your root when done.
May 26 12:37:47 <cehteh> xorAxAx: when?
May 26 12:37:54 <xorAxAx> cehteh: after downloading
May 26 12:37:58 <cehteh> ah
May 26 12:37:58 <Bluewind> well how else should I do it?
May 26 12:38:04 <xorAxAx> at least it did for me, watchdogs got active
May 26 12:38:15 <Bluewind> ham doesn't want to
May 26 12:38:19 <cehteh> HAM ... but well its broken
May 26 12:38:29 <RST38h> epic fail
May 26 12:38:42 <RST38h> root fs all used up, installation crashed
May 26 12:38:48 <Bluewind> and for nsu: I don't have windows machines here
May 26 12:38:54 <Trewas> damn updated nokia maps in pr1.2 still does not have option to lock direction of north (to prevent it from spinning randomly) and the old fix does not work anymore
May 26 12:39:15 * cehteh deinstalled some conflicting packages and symlinked the dpkg archive to /home to have some space and now apt-get upgrading
May 26 12:39:24 <defragger> is there a goog howto, to port a debian package to maemo?
May 26 12:39:56 <cehteh> 25 secs remaining for download ...
May 26 12:39:57 <RST38h> cehteh: I do not see any normal N900 user doing that
May 26 12:39:57 <cehteh> lets see
May 26 12:40:02 <Funnyface> hmm I thought the update would be installed the same way as the previous one
May 26 12:40:05 <cehteh> RST38h: yes thats pain
May 26 12:40:07 * RST38h doing apt-get install -f now
May 26 12:40:11 <Funnyface> oh well I guess it is time for a fresh start anyway
May 26 12:40:18 <Funnyface> haven't flashed the device since I got it :P
May 26 12:40:23 <thresh> RST38h: haha, failed for me.
May 26 12:40:24 <cehteh> blame nokia (again)
May 26 12:40:47 <cehteh> well 1.2 is likely the last thing i take from nokia i plan to divert anyways ..
May 26 12:40:54 <RST38h> thresh: Well, I moved the apt-get cache to MyDocs
May 26 12:41:04 <RST38h> thresh: still managed to fill / though
May 26 12:41:11 <pupnik> same here RST38h
May 26 12:41:13 <Bluewind> then move some more stuff
May 26 12:41:16 <thresh> yup
May 26 12:41:23 <fraggeln> yay! its upgrading.. :D
May 26 12:41:23 <Shapeshifter> ham is still the same lame, slow garbage thing it was before though
May 26 12:41:26 <thresh> nokia fails :(
May 26 12:41:28 <fraggeln> any year now :)
May 26 12:41:28 <RST38h> pupnik,thresh: install -f folks
May 26 12:41:30 <cehteh> RST38h: HAM does some more tricks to prevent roof fs fill up
May 26 12:41:42 <RST38h> cehteh: HAL fails installing this for me point blank
May 26 12:41:46 <thresh> RST38h: yes, and it fills up FS. and then infinite loop of reboots.
May 26 12:41:54 <cehteh> hehe
May 26 12:41:57 <RST38h> thresh: no reboots for me yet
May 26 12:42:03 <thresh> RST38h: wait and you will have those =)
May 26 12:42:05 <MohammadAG> cehteh, the fact that it repropulates the whole list after each install sucks
May 26 12:42:08 <pupnik> all done here it seems and no reboot
May 26 12:42:10 <zokier> luckily i decided to flash the device instead
May 26 12:42:10 <pigeon> Surfa: good catch, that's it, thanks, now i'm moving onto the not enough memory in target problem :)
May 26 12:42:13 <MohammadAG> repopulates*
May 26 12:42:23 <Bluewind> apt-get dist-upgrade currently running fine
May 26 12:42:23 <cehteh> for me neither, but the download just completed and the optify runonce is installing
May 26 12:42:44 <Surfa> pigeon, hehe :) good luck on that.. i don't have much experience there
May 26 12:42:56 <Bluewind> locales take ages to install though :(
May 26 12:43:42 <cehteh> mhm forgot to rip out the uSD card with the backup .. i hope it wont touch it :P
May 26 12:43:48 <Smokers> hey there, anyone from germany here?!
May 26 12:43:53 <satmd> it wont
May 26 12:43:59 <Bluewind> Smokers: nope but Austria
May 26 12:44:09 <satmd> lol, german in austria here
May 26 12:44:10 <skynets> N900 is dead
May 26 12:44:12 <Smokers> mhh dont know if you can help me ;-)
May 26 12:44:15 <skynets> nokia let it go
May 26 12:44:24 <skynets> like other phones in the past
May 26 12:44:28 <skynets> and people dont care
May 26 12:44:41 <Smokers> i just tryed to update my n900 but it seems that the european / german update server from nokia are dead...
May 26 12:44:41 <skynets> this time it was too early
May 26 12:44:44 <Smokers> is that possible?!
May 26 12:44:45 <pupnik> too many languages
May 26 12:44:49 <GeneralAntilles> skynets, people care.
May 26 12:44:57 <X-Fade> Smokers: no
May 26 12:45:00 <GeneralAntilles> Problem is, too few people are left around because Nokia keeps abusing them.
May 26 12:45:26 <Smokers> mhh any suggestions about the problem X-Fade
May 26 12:45:31 <Smokers> ?
May 26 12:45:31 <cehteh> yeah .. i give a shit about nokia, 1.2 hopefully got a lot firmware and necessary fixes now, thanks nokia, now i part away doing my own stuff with the device
May 26 12:45:36 <Bluewind> Smokers: what's the error?
May 26 12:45:57 <zomg> Mine updated for 1.2 quite fine just a while ago
May 26 12:46:06 <cehteh> Smokers: i just downloaded from the servers in germany
May 26 12:46:07 <Smokers> Mhh The Nokia Software updater tried more than 3 times to reach the server
May 26 12:46:27 <cehteh> well they use akamai, so that tells nothing
May 26 12:46:31 <Smokers> or download. Maybe there is a error while establishing connection .. etc
May 26 12:46:37 <Bluewind> ah guis not having usefull error messages right?
May 26 12:46:52 * GeneralAntilles finds it interesting there's no discussion of the Harmattan/N900 issue on Planet.
May 26 12:47:14 <satmd> where would I look for rtcom logs?
May 26 12:47:37 <Smokers> i can paste it in german ;P  "Nokia Software Updater hat mehr als drei mal versucht , Ihre Software herunterzuladen. M�glicherweise ist ihre momentane Internetverbindung nicht stabil genug. Das Problem kann jedoch auch an unseren Servern liegen."
May 26 12:47:37 <satmd> "network error" isn't helping me
May 26 12:47:52 <Bluewind> anyone knows how to blacklist/remove/whatever the unused locales? there are some metapackages which prevent me from just uninstalling and I'm not used to apt
May 26 12:48:03 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: i think it's because people aren't update starved
May 26 12:48:05 <satmd> versuch n pc neustart oder später nochmal, das kann auch einfach n routing oder dns-problem sein
May 26 12:48:15 <cehteh> Bluewind: no localepurge package?
May 26 12:48:23 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: with Diablo, it had been dead for a fair bit when it got announced n8x0 was hosed
May 26 12:48:27 <MohammadAG> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10291 wasn't this fixed? (I can't reproduce it)
May 26 12:48:28 <povbot`> Bug 10291: Media widget play button doesn't work
May 26 12:48:33 <Smokers> satmd ich versuchs seit 4 h,.. immer der gleiche error... okay kein neustart seitdem aber .. mh
May 26 12:48:40 <Bluewind> cehteh: actually I want to prevent apt from wasting it's time
May 26 12:48:49 <Smokers> satmd ich werd mal n reboot testen, danke.. die info das es an mir liegt is ja schonmal was
May 26 12:48:51 <Bluewind> installing 20 locales takes ~ 1 min
May 26 12:49:04 <fraggeln> anyone got a changelog for the latest update?
May 26 12:49:04 <Bluewind> that multiplied by ~200 packages = ages
May 26 12:49:05 <cehteh> Configuration file `/etc/init.d/rcS'
May 26 12:49:06 <cehteh>  ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
May 26 12:49:06 <cehteh>  ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
May 26 12:49:10 <cehteh> haha nice :P
May 26 12:49:25 <crs> Hi, anyone is having doubled contacts on the contacts list due to facebook?
May 26 12:49:30 <Funnyface> oh so the reason I can't do the update is that the installer doesn't have enough space on the device?
May 26 12:49:38 <Scelt> crs: everyone I think
May 26 12:49:45 <cehteh> only 'd' for diff doesnt work since it has no diff installed by default .. bah
May 26 12:49:46 <crs> I tried to resolve it by using facebook contacts merger by Marco, but it says all is OK.
May 26 12:51:16 <crs> Scelt: But only foir me that app is not working. ;/
May 26 12:51:54 <ZogG> \o
May 26 12:51:56 <Ikarus[N900]> hmz, manual apt-get dist-upgrade doing the trick
May 26 12:52:17 <Bluewind> dist-upgrade install ~20 new packages
May 26 12:52:25 <Bluewind> only upgrade wouldn't do that
May 26 12:53:11 <Funnyface> whoever came up with the partitioning ideas of the N900 did a horrible job
May 26 12:53:11 <Funnyface> :o
May 26 12:53:21 <RST38h> cehteh,thresh: I updated
May 26 12:53:35 <cehteh> still running here, but seems fine so far
May 26 12:53:35 <Bluewind> is that flash they use for / really faster than the one used for /home?
May 26 12:53:38 <RST38h> cehteh,thresh:definitely not "painless"
May 26 12:53:45 <cehteh> Bluewind: yes
May 26 12:53:51 <Ikarus[N900]> Funnyface: it's due to the older webtablet's legacy really
May 26 12:53:59 <Bluewind> how much? any numbers?
May 26 12:54:07 <Ikarus[N900]> Bluewind: yes
May 26 12:54:14 <RST38h> More like "our plane is going to crash, take proper positions, shut up and pray"
May 26 12:54:40 <Funnyface> well they should have allocated less space for MyDocs and more for the system partitions :P
May 26 12:55:23 * Ikarus[N900] hacks a little script to see what packages use most space on /
May 26 12:55:42 * Scelt advices Ikarus[N900] just to use Storage Usage app
May 26 12:55:55 <Bluewind> cd /; du -shx *; excludes symlinks but not bind mounts
May 26 12:56:26 <Bluewind> or actually mounts
May 26 12:56:29 <ghostcube> OTA worked fine yeah
May 26 12:56:36 <Bluewind> i.e. /home will show up as used space
May 26 12:56:43 <thresh> RST38h: you lucky guy
May 26 12:56:46 <lcuk> i wonder why theres a whole bunch of people who say theres better formatting and layout methods yet have not managed to come up with a convincing plan of action to migrate ;)
May 26 12:56:47 <Shapeshifter> gah
May 26 12:57:01 <Bluewind> ota?
May 26 12:57:12 <fraggeln> yay! upgrade complete :)
May 26 12:57:12 <ghostcube> repo update without flashing
May 26 12:57:12 <thresh> because they shouldnt and nokia shouldve though about it in the first place?
May 26 12:57:20 <Shapeshifter> They changed something on the desktop widgets, now the settings button is lower than before. Now I can't move around very small desktop command execution widgets
May 26 12:57:20 <jaska> aah, looks like i can remove the HildonPanninArea indicator in my xterm and reclaim valuable spaaaccee
May 26 12:57:31 <Bluewind> k
May 26 12:57:36 <ghostcube> :)
May 26 12:57:36 <jaska> s/annin/anning/
May 26 12:57:37 <infobot> jaska meant: aah, looks like i can remove the HildonPanningArea indicator in my xterm and reclaim valuable spaaaccee
May 26 12:59:27 <Shapeshifter> Is there a config file for the positions of widgets?
May 26 12:59:36 <Shapeshifter> I need to edit it by hand
May 26 12:59:50 <Bluewind> probably they use gconf
May 26 13:00:32 <MohammadAG> frals, some users aren't happy :P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53806
May 26 13:00:51 <tybollt_> will 'users' ever be happy?
May 26 13:01:44 <cehteh> rootfs                  227.8M    216.2M      7.4M  97% /
May 26 13:01:48 <cehteh> ... cross fingers
May 26 13:02:33 <adeus> tybollt_: http://www.moosegoods.com/Images/products/Clothing/13040-Beatings-Navy.jpg
May 26 13:02:36 <Funnyface> aah stupid me, I was copying stuff from my home directory to a backup folder on my PC, then half way through I forgot I was doing and decided to "aah, let me switch on the phone that I just turned off" and messed up the copying process -_-
May 26 13:02:43 <Funnyface> have to start over now with several GBs :p
May 26 13:03:15 <Funnyface> (instead of turning the phone on, I turned it off, thinking it was already off)
May 26 13:03:16 <crs> Funnyface: Use rsync.
May 26 13:03:32 <Funnyface> I don't trust automatic backup tools :P
May 26 13:03:47 <frosty`> rsync is not just a backup tool..
May 26 13:03:49 <GAN900> Stskeeps, maybe once they realize how flaky the update is.
May 26 13:04:31 * RST38h did not even have to reinstall applications
May 26 13:04:45 <Shapeshifter> GAN900: what issue?
May 26 13:04:59 <Shapeshifter> GAN900: "no official meego for n900"?
May 26 13:05:00 <GAN900> Shapeshifter, regression city.
May 26 13:05:06 <Shapeshifter> ah
May 26 13:05:11 <GAN900> Shapeshifter, oh, yeah, that.
May 26 13:05:13 <crs> Hmm, noone had any problems with facebook merger?
May 26 13:05:17 <Shapeshifter> GAN900: I mean what you said earlier
May 26 13:05:45 <ptl> bah :/ restoring lots of stuff now
May 26 13:06:14 <cehteh> hehe prolly coming for me too
May 26 13:06:59 <ptl> at least I saved my settings using the backup app
May 26 13:08:38 <cehteh> ok update done
May 26 13:08:54 <mece> What the shit? is there no function to replace or remove an item in a hildon.TouchSelector?
May 26 13:09:33 <cehteh> reboot ...
May 26 13:09:36 <Smokers> satmd noch da? leider keinen erfolg
May 26 13:09:52 <Surfa> keinen erfolg bei was?
May 26 13:10:05 <Smokers> reboot, neuinstallation nokia software updater
May 26 13:10:24 <Smokers> und anschlie�endem versuch neue firmware zu laden
May 26 13:10:30 <defragger> is there a good howto, for porting debian packages to maemo?
May 26 13:10:31 <cehteh> Smokers: you have to tell a precise error, just telling "doesnt work" wont help
May 26 13:10:35 <ghostcube> Smokers: OTA update geht nich?
May 26 13:10:37 <mgedmin> this is probably a FAQ, but what's the deal with extras-devel for fremantle-1.2?
May 26 13:10:40 <Surfa> Smokers, was sagt app manager?
May 26 13:11:01 <DrGrov> Does anyone with PR 1.2 think it boots up faster than with PR 1.1?
May 26 13:11:23 <cehteh> just boots here ... doesnt look faster yet
May 26 13:11:25 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, seems like the settings were okay. No worries there
May 26 13:11:33 <cehteh> well first flashed the kernel
May 26 13:11:54 <DrGrov> It seems like the "bootup" bar goes a bit faster. Not just from left to right but simultaneously right and left.
May 26 13:11:57 <Smokers> Ich mach ma englisch... The exact error is :" Updatedownload was failed -  NSU tryied more than 3 times to download the update. Maybe your internet connection is not stable. Please try again later"
May 26 13:11:59 <ghostcube> if you backup settings and after ota clean up device its fine here
May 26 13:12:14 <DrGrov> Be back later, gotta run.
May 26 13:12:35 <passeli|w> anyone knows what is the gps device name in N900 ?
May 26 13:12:41 <cehteh> wee .. somethnig gone horrible wrong
May 26 13:12:42 <mgedmin> ok, apparently Distribution is supposed to be 'fremantle' not 'fremantle-1.2'
May 26 13:12:44 <Smokers> Is there a difference between updateing from nokia software updater and from the app manager?!
May 26 13:13:00 <ham5> yup
May 26 13:13:09 <Smokers> wich one ;-)?!
May 26 13:13:13 <cehteh> the pin screen looks like a completely unthemed gtk with no font (all boxes)
May 26 13:13:16 <ham5> figured ud ask that
May 26 13:13:19 <ham5> shouold of in the first place
May 26 13:13:22 <mgedmin> Smokers, you mean, firmware update?  yes, update from NSU will wipe your device clean; update from app manager will preserve all apps and data
May 26 13:14:06 <cehteh> bah .. bricked it ..
May 26 13:14:14 <Ikarus> well, looks like I broke it
May 26 13:14:14 <Smokers> okay,.. thx mgedmin. i would like to have a clear device, so a update from NSU would be great,.. but seems that will be a hard trip
May 26 13:14:15 <Ikarus> meh
May 26 13:14:29 <ham5> godda 'login' to your n900 when it 'boots'?
May 26 13:14:43 <Ikarus> and ofcourse no USB A -> micro B cable handy
May 26 13:15:12 <Ikarus> mine hits the desktop
May 26 13:15:17 <Ikarus> then spontaneously reboots
May 26 13:15:30 <X-Fade> Smokers: You can also try flashing without nsu.
May 26 13:15:44 <X-Fade> Smokers: Check the planet for an article on how to do that.
May 26 13:16:39 <Smokers> mh okay,.. that will be much harder right ?! -.- i could be so easy.... T_T
May 26 13:16:40 <Ikarus> guess I'll have to reinstall everything
May 26 13:16:53 <RST38h> Ok, physical keyboard STILL does not switch the layout when pressing Ctrl+Enter
May 26 13:17:53 <ghostcube> ok, question: do i need to set extra and extra devel to fremantle-1.2?
May 26 13:17:58 <ghostcube> manually?
May 26 13:18:23 <X-Fade> ghostcube: Only extras has fremantle-1.2
May 26 13:18:41 <ZogG> BBT is great
May 26 13:19:01 <ghostcube> X-Fade: thx a lot
May 26 13:19:04 <cehteh> grr .. what was the page to get the flash images? ...
May 26 13:20:09 <jacekowski> just google it
May 26 13:20:10 <andrewfblack> according to this guy http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364160,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000585 the Dell Mini 5 and he might as well said Nokia 770 and N8x0 are not tablets.  Because they are smaller then an ipad and have a mic and speakers.  I just lose the little repect I had for PCmag
May 26 13:20:25 <Stskeeps> ..
May 26 13:20:36 <Stskeeps> wtf does mic and speakers have to do with it
May 26 13:20:46 <Stskeeps> reality distortion field indeed
May 26 13:23:03 <andrewfblack> Stskeeps: They are calling anything smaller then a ipad or Hp Slate with a mic and speaker a phone not a tablet.  Doesn't matter if it has Cell Voice on it or not
May 26 13:23:06 <Stskeeps> heh
May 26 13:23:39 <Dassu> hmm, any ideas when is the 1.2 gonna be released in Finland?
May 26 13:23:39 <MohammadAG> anyone on fedora and using gnome?
May 26 13:23:58 <noobmonk3y> Dassu: today supposedly
May 26 13:24:07 <Dassu> yeah, I know that but at what time?
May 26 13:24:08 <noobmonk3y> at some point :P
May 26 13:24:15 <Dassu> :(
May 26 13:24:16 <noobmonk3y> Dassu:  really think they give times out? lol
May 26 13:24:37 <Dassu> I hope they fix the wlan bug
May 26 13:24:50 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: no but there's a gnome in left4dead 2 thats quite cool
May 26 13:25:02 <noobmonk3y> whats the wlan bug?
May 26 13:25:07 <noobmonk3y> there is a full list of fixes though
May 26 13:25:12 <Bluewind> Dassu: IÄm from Austria, but my device also installs Finnish locales so I guess it's out
May 26 13:25:15 <MohammadAG> lolwtf
May 26 13:25:28 <RST38h> Anyone knows how I switch to portrait mode in PR1.2 apps?
May 26 13:25:28 <Trewas> Dassu: it was released about at noon as OTA
May 26 13:25:54 <noobmonk3y> Bluewind / Dassu - there are multiple servers / locations - all depends when they are updated to roll out
May 26 13:26:00 <MohammadAG> 17831     1 user     S     5988  2.4 58.2 /usr/libexec/hildon-thumbnailerd  <-- what exactly is this for
May 26 13:26:02 <cehteh> whats new on the emmc image btw?
May 26 13:26:15 <MohammadAG> User guides!!!
May 26 13:26:19 <MohammadAG> :)
May 26 13:26:41 <achipa> RST38h: crt-shift-r ?
May 26 13:26:46 <Dassu> omagod. It found it :o
May 26 13:26:51 <achipa> (if you mean the forced switch)
May 26 13:26:55 <MohammadAG> ignore my question above, whatever that process was, no longer is
May 26 13:27:22 <ZogG> MohammadAG now try photo apps
May 26 13:27:39 <Ikarus> right, it's stuck in a reboot loop...
May 26 13:27:39 <Ikarus> meh
May 26 13:27:43 <RST38h> achipa: testing
May 26 13:27:58 <ZogG> Ikarus reflashing?
May 26 13:28:01 <RST38h> fuck it works
May 26 13:28:05 <achipa> :)
May 26 13:28:06 * Ikarus goes to the local shop for a new USB-A micro-B cable
May 26 13:28:08 <noobmonk3y> Dassu: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2
May 26 13:28:11 <ghostcube> ok i think it was asked before, but is skype video call supported?
May 26 13:28:18 <achipa> depends on the app, really
May 26 13:28:23 <ZogG> RST38h, what works?
May 26 13:28:24 <noobmonk3y> ghostcube: yes
May 26 13:28:28 <ghostcube> cool
May 26 13:28:32 <noobmonk3y> i think
May 26 13:28:33 <achipa> ZogG: forced universal portrait
May 26 13:28:35 <ZogG> Ikarus, you don't have one?
May 26 13:28:45 <MohammadAG> RST38h, watch your language, it's a fscking family channel
May 26 13:28:48 <ZogG> achipa, screenies?
May 26 13:28:59 <noobmonk3y> ghostcube: PR1.2 update - first on the list - Skype video call (with PC and other skype video capable clients)
May 26 13:29:02 <ZogG> achipa, or it's CTRL+SHIFT+R
May 26 13:29:09 <achipa> ctrl-shift-r
May 26 13:29:15 <Ikarus> ZogG: yeah, tactically misplaced it :P
May 26 13:29:25 <ZogG> achipa, meh
May 26 13:29:28 <Ikarus> ZogG: stupid cables are pretty under used
May 26 13:29:36 <Ikarus> even though technically superior
May 26 13:29:37 <achipa> for some stuff it's perfect, some (like nokia default apps ;) ) it's pretty bad
May 26 13:29:37 <ZogG> =(
May 26 13:29:58 <Ikarus> so I'm off shopping in a bit
May 26 13:30:05 <ghostcube> noobmonk3y: thx :)
May 26 13:30:05 <ZogG> MohammadAG, so try to open photo thing
May 26 13:30:08 <ZogG> or file folder
May 26 13:30:33 <noobmonk3y> ghostcube: no probs at all :)
May 26 13:31:13 <MohammadAG> ZogG, it works
May 26 13:31:28 <ghostcube> noobmonk3y: ota worked fine backupped all before cleaned up the dvice after
May 26 13:31:33 <ghostcube> restored backup works fine here
May 26 13:32:04 <Shapeshifter> how to configure the new menu?
May 26 13:32:07 <kaie> am I the first who semi-bricked his n900 with today's maemo5 update? it constantly reboots, and brings up some weird grey dialog for 2 seconds
May 26 13:32:13 <ghostcube> wah sshd applet is gone ;(
May 26 13:32:15 <Scelt> Shapeshifter: push hard
May 26 13:32:32 <Shapeshifter> Scelt: thanks
May 26 13:32:37 <Scelt> Shapeshifter: for 2-3 secs. it asks then where you want to move that icon
May 26 13:32:43 <Scelt> np :]
May 26 13:32:49 <ghostcube> hmmm the best way is to use xterm and apt for an ota update
May 26 13:33:00 <noobmonk3y> wohoooooooooo
May 26 13:33:05 <noobmonk3y> good to hear ghostcube
May 26 13:33:12 * MohammadAG votes for a ban, who seconds that http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53813
May 26 13:33:21 <kaie> I used over the air update
May 26 13:33:45 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: i vote for a slap round the chops with a trout
May 26 13:33:52 <cehteh> kaie: no you are not ..
May 26 13:34:08 <cehteh> mine didnt reboot but other thnigs are broken, i am going to reflash now
May 26 13:34:18 <Scelt> http://www.josefrichter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Perhaps-the-best-legal-typo-of-all-time.jpg :-D
May 26 13:34:36 <ZogG> MohammadAG, wierd
May 26 13:34:38 <kaie> will flashing erase all contents of the internal 32gb storage?
May 26 13:34:59 <ghostcube> not home
May 26 13:35:10 <kaie> ok that's good
May 26 13:35:28 <ZogG> kaie no. but you should do backup for contacts and calendar
May 26 13:35:47 <thresh> Scelt: lol
May 26 13:35:58 <noobmonk3y> Scelt: legal typo?
May 26 13:36:01 <noobmonk3y> am i blind?
May 26 13:36:06 <kaie> ZogG, I did a backup prior to attempting the over-the-air-update, which semi-bricked it
May 26 13:36:08 <cehteh> kaie: do *not* flash emmc ..
May 26 13:36:11 <ZogG> kaie until it's not eMMC flash
May 26 13:36:12 <Scelt> noobmonk3y: in the middle chapter
May 26 13:36:32 <noobmonk3y> hahaha
May 26 13:36:33 <ZogG> kaie have you turned off all the extra repos?
May 26 13:36:33 <kaie> ok. /me starts to read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 13:36:34 <noobmonk3y> ok seen it!
May 26 13:37:15 <kaie> ZogG, I had extras-devel enabled when I attempted the update
May 26 13:37:53 <cehteh> i turned them off still broken
May 26 13:38:08 <cehteh> well possibly because of other changes i did
May 26 13:38:10 <ZogG> kaie any error?
May 26 13:38:28 <ZogG> kaie, can you turn it on?
May 26 13:38:57 <cehteh> dont let the battery run empty btw .. you want some charge for flashing
May 26 13:39:07 <kaie> ZogG, yeah, I said it above. The device no longer works. It is constantly rebooting, showing nokia text, then bringing up a grey broken dialog (might be the enter pin dialog), but after 2 seconds, before I can do anything else, it reboots again
May 26 13:39:24 <ZogG> kaie flash it
May 26 13:39:25 <kaie> The usb cable will provide charge
May 26 13:39:27 <kaie> yes
May 26 13:40:01 <ZogG> kaie, d oyou have at least half battery?
May 26 13:40:36 <ZogG> my turtle driving me crazy
May 26 13:41:14 <ZogG> HIMYM FTW!!!!
May 26 13:41:20 <kaie> my battery was full when I started the upgrade. but now, how would I know? :-)
May 26 13:41:30 <Ikarus> hrm, there is no way to access the MyDocs partition when it's stuck in a reboot loop right ?, I can only hope that just flash root will allow me to access it ? (just spotted a few files missing in my backup)
May 26 13:41:35 <ZogG> kaie go for it
May 26 13:41:48 <noobmonk3y> Ikarus: it shouldn't touch the mydocs :P so should be fine
May 26 13:41:54 <noobmonk3y> i think
May 26 13:43:14 <cehteh> yesterday was towel day .. today is flash your n900 day :)
May 26 13:43:26 * cehteh just flashed it
May 26 13:43:28 <ham5> dont forget to bring a towel
May 26 13:43:31 <MohammadAG> now he's pushing it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53802
May 26 13:44:20 * satmd is unable to use icq/y!/aim since today
May 26 13:44:34 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: have you taken up troll-hunting as a new hobby?
May 26 13:44:39 <satmd> "extended settings" come up empty
May 26 13:44:56 <Ikarus> satmd: yeah, some other users reported that the extra protocol handlers had some issues
May 26 13:45:05 <satmd> do have any pointers for me?
May 26 13:45:09 <cehteh> mhm .. how long is it supposed to stick with the oooOo dots when booting?
May 26 13:45:20 <noobmonk3y> 5 secs'ish
May 26 13:45:22 <thresh> it stuck for me and i had to reboot
May 26 13:45:28 <cehteh> ok was 50 secs here
May 26 13:45:31 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 26 13:45:40 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, yeah, the damn bastards tricked me, it doesn't come with a shotgun
May 26 13:45:48 <noobmonk3y> hahaha
May 26 13:46:28 <cehteh> next question: can pr1.2 mount ext3 emmc and uSD now? .. i bet not
May 26 13:46:48 <MohammadAG> you won the bet
May 26 13:46:54 <MohammadAG> just edit rcS-late
May 26 13:47:02 <cehteh> yes i did .. before
May 26 13:47:06 <cehteh> now i flashed :)
May 26 13:48:01 <MohammadAG> just edit rcS-late again
May 26 13:48:10 <MohammadAG> PR 1.2 music not showing up  <-- was music updated?
May 26 13:48:27 <ZogG> MohammadAG say what?
May 26 13:48:38 <MohammadAG> nvm
May 26 13:48:42 <ZogG> MohammadAG, sometimes happens - just restart
May 26 13:49:33 <cehteh> bah great .. i flashed 1.1.1 .. fail :P
May 26 13:49:40 <SpeedEvil> cehteh: lol
May 26 13:49:43 <MohammadAG> nah, was making fun of the thread title
May 26 13:49:47 <noobmonk3y> failboat express *toot* *toooooot*
May 26 13:50:45 * MohammadAG hopes MeeGo gets released soon
May 26 13:50:56 <MohammadAG> we can offload the trolls to the other forums :P
May 26 13:51:59 * cehteh gets used to flashing :)
May 26 13:52:05 <satmd> oh btw pr1.2 ota worked fine here
May 26 13:52:05 <ZogG> MohammadAG tomorrow
May 26 13:52:07 <kaie> wow, lots of choices for the firmware image. I'm in Germany, so I guess I want the "Latest Global", PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1
May 26 13:52:15 <satmd> yes
May 26 13:52:28 <ZogG> MohammadAG, you gonna stick to maemo?
May 26 13:52:44 <cehteh> is there a tool to backup the whole device image (nand and emmc) as a flashable imagee? would be a nice backup because its fast
May 26 13:52:44 <MohammadAG> yes
May 26 13:53:12 <ZogG> cehteh connect it and backup it
May 26 13:53:14 <cehteh> kaie: yes and not 3.2010 .. :)
May 26 13:55:18 <fiferboy> X-Fade: ping?
May 26 13:55:27 <X-Fade> fiferboy: here
May 26 13:55:54 <fiferboy> X-Fade: If I put a new package in the autobuilder now, is it still available in the non-PR1.2 repos?
May 26 13:56:21 <X-Fade> Only once it reaches Extras, it is separated.
May 26 13:56:40 <X-Fade> The cutoff for Extras will have to happen soon(ish)
May 26 13:57:07 <fiferboy> X-Fade: Ok.  I need to put a package upgrade in extras-devel but it won't work on non-PR1.2 devices
May 26 13:57:27 <fiferboy> I guess my best bet is to make it work for both?  Or is PR<1.2 going to be dropped soon?
May 26 13:57:30 <X-Fade> extras-devel is considered trunk at this point ;)
May 26 13:58:00 <X-Fade> So if you want to run apps from there, you need to run latest released.
May 26 13:58:48 <fiferboy> Ok.  I am changing personal-gprs-mon to use the two separate data counters so it will no longer work for PR1.1
May 26 13:59:38 <X-Fade> fiferboy: You can depend on a PR1.2 version or higher of a certain lib to make sure it doesn't run on 1.1.
May 26 14:00:05 <kaie> ZogG, cehteh, it's back to life. question, is this PR1.2 a stable release, or did not originate from extras-devel?
May 26 14:00:07 <fiferboy> X-Fade: But it will still show up as an update in PR1.1 extras-devel?
May 26 14:00:15 <X-Fade> fiferboy: Yes
May 26 14:00:16 <fiferboy> It just won't be able to be installed
May 26 14:00:24 <thresh> ugly :(
May 26 14:00:28 <X-Fade> Yes
May 26 14:00:41 <X-Fade> But I didn't design AM :)
May 26 14:00:46 <fiferboy> X-Fade: Can you take the version of personal-gprs-mon 0.6-2 out of the autobuilder?
May 26 14:00:50 <kaie> ... typo... s/not/it/
May 26 14:01:17 <cehteh> kaie: thats an offical nokia update extras is community based
May 26 14:01:32 <fiferboy> X-Fade: I want to make a change in 0.6-2 so it won't screw up PR1.1 data counters
May 26 14:01:55 <kaie> cehteh, k thanks. /me tries restore from backup
May 26 14:02:01 <satmd> Ikarus: thanks, got it by removing those accounts, reinstalling the protocols and setting up them again
May 26 14:02:07 <X-Fade> fiferboy: Just increase the version?
May 26 14:02:08 <ZogG> X-Fade fiferboy that's the time for ugly own repos =)
May 26 14:02:38 <fiferboy> X-Fade: As long as nobody installs 0.6-2 while I am preparing 0.6-3 :)
May 26 14:02:44 <ZogG> haha
May 26 14:02:55 <ZogG> fiferboy i gonna install it
May 26 14:02:59 <X-Fade> fiferboy: Hurry up then ;)
May 26 14:03:05 <ZogG> no bugs were closed
May 26 14:03:19 <RST38h> wow, filemanager goes portrait now
May 26 14:03:31 <ZogG> already got 3 bugs that were marked as closed
May 26 14:03:42 <ZogG> RST38h, ut it's ugly
May 26 14:03:47 <RST38h> ZogG: Cyrillic keyboard still does not work
May 26 14:03:56 <Shapeshifter> wtf. since when is pkill hildon-desktop a reason for rebooting -.-
May 26 14:04:02 <ZogG> RST38h, where?
May 26 14:04:23 <RST38h> ZogG: Add Russian as the second language and click Ctrl+Space on the physical keyboard
May 26 14:04:34 <RST38h> it will report the switch but will not let you type letters
May 26 14:04:42 <ZogG> anyway pr1.2 is making me sad, i hoped for bugfixes, and main ones i eeded to be fixed are still here
May 26 14:05:15 <ZogG> RST38h oh, i don't use russian on hw
May 26 14:05:16 <ptl> which ones?
May 26 14:05:17 <lcuk> ZogG, psssst the bug trackers have been updated as bugs get fixed, which ones did you hope to be fixed
May 26 14:05:19 <ZogG> the keymap is ugly
May 26 14:05:32 <X-Fade> RST38h: Did you try xterm? :)
May 26 14:06:16 <fiferboy> X-Fade: Okay, now both 0.6-2 and 0.6-3 are in the queue together :)
May 26 14:06:33 <RST38h> X-Fade: yes
May 26 14:06:39 <ZogG> lcuk there are 2 that are not fixed
May 26 14:06:49 <ZogG> lcuk, the play button on widget
May 26 14:06:58 <ZogG> and the music plays after call
May 26 14:07:20 <ZogG> the first can be fixed by delting recall widget
May 26 14:07:36 <X-Fade> fiferboy: Ok, killing 0.6-2 once it reaches the repo ;)
May 26 14:07:37 <ZogG> second one is no exuce. i had this in the middle of test
May 26 14:07:52 <fiferboy> X-Fade: Thanks
May 26 14:07:54 <ZogG> no i need to turn sound off when i select silent mode as well =(
May 26 14:08:22 <ZogG> lcuk, do you have permission to re-open bugs?
May 26 14:09:18 <lcuk> i just asked what they were, you still havent shown me
May 26 14:09:26 <lcuk> bug 1234 format is good ;)
May 26 14:09:27 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 close-buttons on home menu are too small
May 26 14:09:40 <ZogG> lcuk okay
May 26 14:10:06 <E0x> look like the widget data plan
May 26 14:10:08 <E0x> not work
May 26 14:10:10 <E0x> in pr1.2
May 26 14:10:33 <ZogG> bug 6907
May 26 14:10:34 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6907 Media Player widget suddenly starts music after Phone call ends
May 26 14:11:02 <ZogG> bug 5894
May 26 14:11:03 <X-Fade> fiferboy: killed
May 26 14:11:03 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5894 Play track button doesn't work
May 26 14:11:16 <fiferboy> X-Fade: Thanks.  I just got the email that it built
May 26 14:11:23 <noobmonk3y> bug 666
May 26 14:11:24 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function
May 26 14:11:30 <noobmonk3y> the bug of the devil muhahahahaha
May 26 14:11:34 <X-Fade> yeah, removed it in import queue ;)
May 26 14:11:35 <noobmonk3y> trust Java to be in there
May 26 14:11:53 <jaska> :D
May 26 14:12:16 <ZogG> lcuk ^
May 26 14:12:37 <kaie> I'm very pleased with the automatic restoring of application. Only the manually downloaded ussd-applet won't be included automatically, but at least it tells me what I had in addition, that's very nice
May 26 14:12:53 <MohammadAG> <noobmonk3y> trust Java to be in there lol
May 26 14:13:02 <MohammadAG> bug 1337
May 26 14:13:03 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1337 Menu item News -> garage news is broken
May 26 14:13:13 <MohammadAG> not so leet after all
May 26 14:13:46 <noobmonk3y> lol MohammadAG !!
May 26 14:14:05 <pronto> trying to do that maemo update, but it keeps compaling about i need to connnect to a computer and launce the application...please tell me the aplication works with linux,  and is there anyway around that so i dont have to use my computer?
May 26 14:14:14 <noobmonk3y> ~slap bug 1337
May 26 14:14:15 <kaie> it's not possible to install microb-engine-common-ext, do you want to proceed with installation?
May 26 14:14:16 * infobot slaps bug 1337, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
May 26 14:14:25 <MohammadAG> ~flashing
May 26 14:14:26 <infobot> flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 14:14:51 <kaie> I'll go for "yes", assuming "do you want to proceed" means "do you want to proceed with the other packages"
May 26 14:17:14 <ZogG> lcuk, ?
May 26 14:19:28 <pronto> so is there a way?
May 26 14:19:40 <ZogG> pronto flash it
May 26 14:19:50 <pronto> "restore to factory defaults"  umm , no
May 26 14:20:14 <pronto> i can't just have it update via the app manager? :|
May 26 14:20:16 <Scelt> pronto: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 14:20:44 <pronto> didnt the pr1.1 just update right on the phone itself
May 26 14:20:48 <Scelt> Why can't any of you ops put that link to the topic? This is the 10th time today I've pasted that link already
May 26 14:21:06 <ZogG> Scelt cause you are here =)
May 26 14:21:20 <Noma> is there already a bug report that you can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift?
May 26 14:21:28 <pronto> and that NSU is windoiws only/
May 26 14:21:29 <pronto> ?
May 26 14:21:29 <Scelt> ZogG: I'm not here 24/7 and it'd be nice if users would still get answer
May 26 14:21:39 <Scelt> Noma: I have the same problem
May 26 14:21:43 <ToJa92> [pronto]: You probably need to free up space in your rootfs to update, it should be about 60MB free
May 26 14:21:44 <Scelt> pronto: check the link I pasted
May 26 14:21:55 <ZogG> pronto linux also
May 26 14:21:56 <Scelt> pronto: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 14:22:05 <Noma> Scelt: i know three people that have the same problem
May 26 14:22:07 <ZogG> ~flashing pronto
May 26 14:22:24 <Scelt> Noma: kewl. please check the bug tracker
May 26 14:22:31 <ZogG> ~flashing
May 26 14:22:33 <infobot> from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 14:22:39 <Noma> i tried to search but didn't find it
May 26 14:22:46 <ZogG> pronto, ^
May 26 14:23:04 <Scelt> Noma: maybe you should post it then?
May 26 14:23:12 <ZogG> Noma have you disabled auto cap latters?
May 26 14:23:36 <Noma> ZogG: then it works - but it should also work if I press shift+letter after a dot
May 26 14:23:45 <Scelt> ZogG: I have the same problem. It's a bug
May 26 14:24:12 <ZogG> it's not a bug - it's a feature
May 26 14:24:21 <cehteh> great nokia ... now mounted my MyDocs as /home :)
May 26 14:24:25 <Noma> it worked in pr1.1
May 26 14:24:33 <Noma> and it works in symbian and android etc
May 26 14:24:34 <pronto> talk.maemo.org is down
May 26 14:24:46 <ZogG> oh nooo
May 26 14:25:12 <auenf> too many posts complaining about P1.3?
May 26 14:25:15 <auenf> +R
May 26 14:25:26 <ZogG> PR1.2*
May 26 14:25:28 <auenf> s/P1.3/PR1.3/
May 26 14:25:41 <E0x> lol
May 26 14:26:01 <auenf> PR1.2 is out, theres nothing to complain about ;)
May 26 14:26:04 <ZogG> auenf, cause Nokia should release it before and now release bugfixes for it
May 26 14:26:20 <ZogG> some bugs are not closed at all and there too many new
May 26 14:26:21 <auenf> except whats going to be fixed in PR1.3 and why it isnt already out ;)
May 26 14:26:35 <ZogG> i don't think bugfix release should be merged with new features release
May 26 14:27:02 * auenf decides not to download the 113mb update on 3g
May 26 14:27:20 <Stskeeps> wuss
May 26 14:27:21 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 14:27:23 <ZogG> auenf, the complaining are about things from pr1.1.1 that still in pr1.2 and new uppseting bugs
May 26 14:27:30 <Bluewind> downloading is faster than installing ;)
May 26 14:27:43 <Bluewind> think it's running for 2h now
May 26 14:27:50 <ZogG> i flashed so can't say anything =)
May 26 14:28:01 <ZogG> it was several minutes
May 26 14:28:08 <auenf> it'd cost me AU$1.70 to download it over 3g ;)
May 26 14:28:12 <E0x> i flash fromn windows and was fast
May 26 14:28:21 <auenf> im not in that much or a rush to install it
May 26 14:28:27 <E0x> take more time downloading the image
May 26 14:28:31 <ZogG> i use linux FTW
May 26 14:28:41 * ZogG sys Linux 2.6.33-gentoo [965P-S3; x86_64 Desktop]
May 26 14:28:59 <Bluewind> after flashing I'd have to reinstall all apps and that also take ages
May 26 14:29:06 <Bluewind> old kernel...
May 26 14:29:19 <E0x> if you do backup
May 26 14:29:24 <E0x> the restore will install all app
May 26 14:29:40 <Bluewind> doesn't change apt's slowness
May 26 14:30:15 <Bluewind> installing one locale package takes ~10 sec
May 26 14:31:17 <lauri> hey guys
May 26 14:31:21 <Smokers> okay guys,.. i want to flash over mflasher, but  the flasher wont find my device,...
May 26 14:31:25 <SpeedEvil> hey
May 26 14:31:40 <lauri> Where can I browse Maemo builtin apps source code?
May 26 14:31:46 <lauri> for example phone boo
May 26 14:31:49 <lauri> *book
May 26 14:31:50 <Smokers> drivers are installed, 64 bit problem is known and windows is startet in secure / driver mode
May 26 14:32:10 <Smokers> but still : Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
May 26 14:32:59 <auenf> isnt xp mode suggested when running 64-bit windows?
May 26 14:33:14 <ZogG> Smokers turn it off
May 26 14:33:24 <ZogG> turn on while pressing "u" key
May 26 14:33:27 <ZogG> oops
May 26 14:33:33 <ZogG> connect while pressing
May 26 14:33:33 <Smokers> option 1 is using special boot mode for windows auenf
May 26 14:33:35 <ZogG> don't turn on
May 26 14:33:44 <Smokers> jop ZogG is done
May 26 14:33:54 <Smokers> but nothing happend
May 26 14:35:13 <ZogG> Smokers did nokia turned on and there was usb symbol in the coner?
May 26 14:35:34 <Smokers> yes ,.. it is all like the manual says
May 26 14:35:47 <Smokers> except that there will happen anything after that command o.O
May 26 14:36:43 <Smokers> in first, windows said, installtig driver faild... i de-installed all drivers for n900 in the device manager, than boot in secure driver mode, and installed them again, everything okay...
May 26 14:37:06 <Smokers> than again starting flasher, but nothing happend =/
May 26 14:37:16 <ZogG> wazd privet
May 26 14:38:14 <Smokers> ?
May 26 14:38:46 <Arkenoi> ah. now i see update but it won't install. what applications are known to block it?
May 26 14:39:15 <ZogG> Smokers get the ubuntu livecd and you can flash
May 26 14:39:46 <Noma> Scelt: i posted the bug
May 26 14:39:51 <Scelt> Noma: id?
May 26 14:39:55 <Noma> 10310
May 26 14:40:00 <Scelt> bug 10310
May 26 14:40:00 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift
May 26 14:40:08 <Scelt> Noma: thx!
May 26 14:40:36 <ZogG> buggy bug
May 26 14:40:50 <Smokers> did i need some hdd in live ubuntu? because i only have 3 ntfs partitions
May 26 14:40:56 <Smokers> ZogG
May 26 14:41:17 <ZogG> nope
May 26 14:41:22 <Scelt> Noma: actually you need to put space after dot to reproduce the bug
May 26 14:41:26 <Smokers> okay, thanks
May 26 14:41:41 <Noma> Scelt: oh, okay
May 26 14:42:20 <Scelt> Noma: writing right after the dot it's still lowercase
May 26 14:42:51 <ZogG> cause it thinks it's the same word
May 26 14:42:53 <Noma> so it seems
May 26 14:43:03 <Scelt> yeah
May 26 14:43:23 <ZogG> i just don't use Cap letters on phone at least
May 26 14:44:10 <jef91> Can I upgrade to pr 1.2 from nix?
May 26 14:44:15 <ZogG> transmission  2.00b1 released ? how had i missed?
May 26 14:44:21 <ZogG> jef91 linux?
May 26 14:44:27 <jef91> ZogG Yea
May 26 14:44:34 <Bluewind> I'm running apt-get dist-upgrade and so for no problems
May 26 14:44:38 <ZogG> jef91 yes, you can flash
May 26 14:44:41 <Bluewind> just takes like ages
May 26 14:44:57 <ZogG> Bluewind clear upgrade is always better imo
May 26 14:45:19 <Bluewind> yeah gonna do that once I have more time ;)
May 26 14:45:40 <jef91> ZogG got the link offhand to the rom?
May 26 14:46:16 <ZogG> jef91 you mean the pr1.2 bin?
May 26 14:46:25 <jef91> Yes ZogG
May 26 14:46:32 <ZogG> jef91, i don't but i think there is one in the topic
May 26 14:46:39 <thresh> meh ussd widget doesnt work cleanly in 1.2
May 26 14:47:13 <ZogG> pr1.2 works faster and has qt but nothig fixed actually, ah?
May 26 14:48:45 <jef91> ZogG sounds like Nokia
May 26 14:49:08 <ZogG> jef91, i hope everything would be fine
May 26 14:49:27 <ZogG> i just angry of none of communication with us =)
May 26 14:50:34 <hrw> heh... just tested video skypecall
May 26 14:50:49 <GAN900> thresh, doesn't PR1.2 have USSD support?
May 26 14:51:00 <GAN900> ZogG, browser actually zooms OK.
May 26 14:51:03 <hrw> n900 -> fring/s60, n900 -> skype/win32 and in both combos video from me was not sent
May 26 14:51:37 <KMFDM> are the servers hosting pr 1.2 down?
May 26 14:51:51 <KMFDM> software updater keeps failing to download the update for me
May 26 14:52:06 <skynxnex> KMFDM: I just successfulyl downloaded it (through t-mobile) about 30 minutes ago
May 26 14:52:17 <skynxnex> KMFDM: but it took two attempts; luckily it resumed
May 26 14:53:16 <ZogG> GAN900 it was fine also before for me 9 i don't know any zoom problems) but there still several bugs that were marked as closed but they are not
May 26 14:53:57 <KMFDM> i have something (or multiple) apps installed blocking update over air
May 26 14:54:04 <KMFDM> so i have to do it through software updater
May 26 14:54:10 <KMFDM> only it's download screwed up
May 26 14:54:16 <ZogG> GAN900, bug 6907 and 5894 for example
May 26 14:54:16 <KMFDM> presuably server went offline
May 26 14:54:16 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6907 Media Player widget suddenly starts music after Phone call ends
May 26 14:54:18 <skynxnex> KMFDM: it still does it through the software updater.
May 26 14:54:20 <KMFDM> but now it fails to resume it
May 26 14:54:27 <KMFDM> can't restart it at all
May 26 14:54:34 <KMFDM> i see it has 36.3megs dled
May 26 14:54:35 <ZogG> btw gps takes hours to get any data from sats
May 26 14:54:42 <KMFDM> and then it throws the error
May 26 14:54:44 <marmoute> grmlm I don't have enought freespace to dist-upgrade. wtf
May 26 14:54:44 <KMFDM> been trying for 3 hours
May 26 14:54:45 <jef91> "OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11" thats pr 1.2 right?
May 26 14:54:51 <Bluewind> no
May 26 14:54:57 <ZogG> jef91 no
May 26 14:55:04 <ZogG> jef91, 2010
May 26 14:55:05 <Bluewind> 1.2 ist 2010.x
May 26 14:55:38 <jef91> oh shoot I found it
May 26 14:55:41 <jef91> was lower down on the list
May 26 14:56:21 <jaska> i wonder what uses swi-prolog in maemo :D
May 26 14:56:44 <jaska> ohm i suppose
May 26 14:57:31 <ZogG> jef91 use only pr1.2 not eMMC
May 26 14:58:21 <jef91> yep yep, thanks ZogG
May 26 15:01:26 <cehteh> jaska: device management :)
May 26 15:02:02 <Tuukka> Does the receiving end need a webcam to get skype video call working?
May 26 15:02:11 <cehteh> no
May 26 15:02:38 <cehteh> well dunno for skype, but in sip it can be one-way and i expect that for skype too
May 26 15:02:45 <Corsac> hmhm, fMMS isn't integrated to contacts :(
May 26 15:02:45 <GAN900> hrw, I think you need the lastest win32 client.
May 26 15:03:29 <GAN900> ZogG, you didn't notice the horrifying text rendering issues with zooming?
May 26 15:04:57 <hrw> I checked list of my bugs in bugs.maemo.org... option "mass update all selected bugs" would be nice
May 26 15:05:59 <jacekowski> hannesw_: blow job would be nice as well
May 26 15:06:26 <E0x> installing the extra decoders support, is taking to much time , almost 5 minutes already and not finish yet
May 26 15:06:43 <E0x> oh , it finish now
May 26 15:08:05 <skynxnex> wow, text zooming is a lot better in microb now.
May 26 15:10:50 <kaie> reflashed n900 and restored back and all applications. 1 gb of downloads, installing and power cycle later... trying to use n900 again... microb no longer works. window starts up, then quits
May 26 15:11:42 <kaie> trying terminal, "microb", runs for 10 seconds, then quits, no window coming up
May 26 15:12:05 <kaie> fennec works
May 26 15:12:25 <tgalal> can't restore the FREAKIN CONVERSATIONS :@ !!!!
May 26 15:12:47 <pinheiro> heeerrrr phonnne prt of the n900 gone after flashig to 1.2
May 26 15:12:56 <FredrIQ> PR1.2 :D
May 26 15:12:58 <Stskeeps> pinheiro: did you use the leaked pr 1.2 before? :P
May 26 15:13:05 * FredrIQ is updating atm
May 26 15:13:22 <pinheiro> Stskeeps: nope
May 26 15:13:59 <Stskeeps> pinheiro: do a full reflash i guess, emmc and all
May 26 15:14:06 <pinheiro> tried to update via the regular way but it tollme to flash it instead
May 26 15:14:25 <pinheiro> Stskeeps: how does one do that ?
May 26 15:14:29 <Stskeeps> ~flashing
May 26 15:14:32 <infobot> rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 15:16:39 <pinheiro> "./flasher-3.5 -F *.bin -f -R"
May 26 15:17:33 <chadi> *.bin ?
May 26 15:17:42 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer / SpeedEvil, finally emailed Quim.
May 26 15:17:45 <lardman> re
May 26 15:17:45 <chadi> what if more than one image were present?
May 26 15:17:55 <GAN900> Yo, lardman.
May 26 15:18:03 <GAN900> lardman, re-pong?
May 26 15:18:03 <pinheiro> just have 1 :D
May 26 15:18:05 <lardman> hey GAN900
May 26 15:18:18 <lardman> GAN900: fire away, I've been out most of the day
May 26 15:18:21 <joga> err...is there deborphan for n900?
May 26 15:18:29 <Stskeeps> GAN900: what'd you complain about this time? :P
May 26 15:18:33 <lardman> ah, I was wondering about location information
May 26 15:18:35 <joga> I've uninstalled heaps and only got a few megs back ;)
May 26 15:18:42 <xorAxAx> hmm, PR 1.2 doesnt want to install itself over HAM, what could be the reason?
May 26 15:19:39 * lardman feels better after filing a couple of bugs
May 26 15:20:40 <lardman> mardi: hey
May 26 15:21:07 <lardman> or is it the wrong mardi/y?
May 26 15:21:36 <pinheiro> RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the one i should be using right?
May 26 15:22:06 <Stskeeps> pinheiro: grab a newer one
May 26 15:22:08 <Stskeeps> there should be a 2010 one
May 26 15:22:26 <pinheiro> Stskeeps: were ?
May 26 15:22:39 <Stskeeps> on tablets-dev.nokia.com ? :P
May 26 15:24:46 <cehteh> pinheiro: no
May 26 15:24:58 <cehteh> there are 2 2010 ones dont be fooled :P
May 26 15:25:09 <pinheiro> iiiiiiiiii seeeeeeeee
May 26 15:25:11 <pinheiro> :)
May 26 15:25:22 <ZogG> cehteh there are more
May 26 15:25:23 * cehteh flashed the wrong one earlier too 
May 26 15:25:30 <ZogG> depend on country
May 26 15:25:32 <cehteh> 10.2010...
May 26 15:25:37 <ZogG> cehteh where did you get 2?
May 26 15:25:40 <pinheiro> cehteh: confusing website
May 26 15:25:52 <joga> great, I uninstalled firefox and lost half a meg of space :)
May 26 15:26:02 <cehteh> ZogG: i just used the last one in the ls here sorted
May 26 15:26:12 <joga> is this package thing fixed in 1.2?
May 26 15:26:21 <cehteh> but 3.2010 is higher than 10.2010 ... duh :)
May 26 15:27:37 <cehteh> wow 100M free on root now :P
May 26 15:27:51 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: err - re what - I forget?
May 26 15:27:59 <slonopotamus> -.-
May 26 15:28:14 <joga> I've uninstalled tens of megs and gained only a couple back, a bit frustrating
May 26 15:28:21 <joga> I guess it leaves all the dependencies
May 26 15:28:21 <C-S-B-N900> arrgh, cant wait to get home and upgrade...
May 26 15:28:31 <ZogG> PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1	Latest Maemo 5
May 26 15:28:35 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, device queue and broken loaners.
May 26 15:28:39 <C-S-B-N900> no probelms with it?
May 26 15:28:40 <slonopotamus> cehteh: not enough for porn
May 26 15:29:05 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: Ah - right.
May 26 15:29:15 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: I should have done that myself.
May 26 15:29:28 <C-S-B-N900> cant do ota, seems not to work, no doubt due to 4pmb rootfs
May 26 15:29:56 <hrw> bug 10312
May 26 15:29:59 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10312 Video calls with Skype does not work
May 26 15:30:13 <cehteh> lol
May 26 15:30:16 <hrw> during week it will be wontfix or ignored
May 26 15:30:17 <joga> how can I free the space taken by the packages I've installed and then uninstalled?
May 26 15:30:20 <C-S-B-N900> skype video isnt working?
May 26 15:30:26 <cehteh> fail
May 26 15:30:30 <kaie> ok, browser-switchboard was responsible for the failing microb startup. although it said microb is the default, I confirmed that setting, switched from "faster startup" to "lower mem usage", now microb starts up fine
May 26 15:30:31 <joga> I mean, isn't this something the package manager ought to be doing automatically
May 26 15:30:34 <slonopotamus> joga: apt-get dependency cleaning is just broken. it leaves stuff around under certain circumstances
May 26 15:30:35 <cehteh> well i suspect a user error
May 26 15:30:42 <joga> slonopotamus: so aptitude then?
May 26 15:30:48 <joga> probably not now but anyway :)
May 26 15:30:51 <cehteh> nokia should have enough time to test video calls
May 26 15:31:08 * ShadowJK wonders if skype video is even "supposed" to be working
May 26 15:31:10 <C-S-B-N900> so use flasher to install, restore backup and i should be where i started?
May 26 15:31:15 <ShadowJK> or if it's just gtalk video that's supposed to work
May 26 15:31:21 <StyleWarz> morning
May 26 15:31:35 <StyleWarz> anyone got a repository where i could find a cfdisk package for my n800?
May 26 15:31:38 <pinheiro> RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM this one right?
May 26 15:31:46 <cehteh> yes
May 26 15:31:56 <pinheiro> falashing now
May 26 15:32:02 <pinheiro> flashing
May 26 15:32:07 <slonopotamus> joga: dunno if it properly works. either reflash or read through dpkg -l output, find stuff you don't need, try to remove it, if it doesn't pull away fremantle stuff, remove :)
May 26 15:32:41 <slonopotamus> StyleWarz: it's in sdk repo afair
May 26 15:32:44 <Arkenoi> it damn sucks that OTA updates are that tricky
May 26 15:32:57 <C-S-B-N900> why do these things comeout when i cant install them :(
May 26 15:33:00 <StyleWarz> slonopotamus: hm you got an url? ;)
May 26 15:33:01 <Arkenoi> previous one required enormous free space on root fs
May 26 15:33:01 <slonopotamus> Arkenoi: it's nokia :)
May 26 15:33:14 <Arkenoi> and this one just does not work and i do not know what is blocking
May 26 15:33:19 <pinheiro> think the phone in snot working
May 26 15:33:21 <Arkenoi> because there is no sane diagnostics
May 26 15:33:28 <pinheiro> didnt propmt me for the pin code
May 26 15:33:42 <slonopotamus> Arkenoi: hi, btw. no, sflphone isn't there. X-Fade doesn't fix autocleaner
May 26 15:33:45 <slonopotamus> StyleWarz: repository.maemo.org, somewhere on that page
May 26 15:34:09 <pinheiro> and takes for ever to boot
May 26 15:34:11 <Arkenoi> is there a faq on most common applications that may block ota update?
May 26 15:34:13 <pinheiro> haaaaa
May 26 15:34:15 <StyleWarz> slonopotamus: it isn't extras-devel *searching*
May 26 15:34:17 <pinheiro> pin code
May 26 15:34:18 <joga> slonopotamus: to me it sounds like a big mistake to have left it that way...the average joe will install apps and basically needs to reflash their phone to get the space back
May 26 15:34:29 <pinheiro> :)
May 26 15:34:56 <C-S-B-N900> right, im off. need to keep battery for flash later.
May 26 15:35:00 <X-Fade> slonopotamus: Just committed a fix for it (hope it works)
May 26 15:35:06 <Arkenoi> how much free space is required, after all?
May 26 15:35:13 <slonopotamus> (did i say extras-devel?)
May 26 15:35:27 <joga> now I just ran apt-get autoremove because it suggested that at some point, it claimed to free 8MB of space, but I got nothing back
May 26 15:35:51 <SpeedEvil> joga: UBIFS lies.
May 26 15:35:53 <joga> or maybe they were optified
May 26 15:35:54 <SpeedEvil> You need to sync
May 26 15:36:02 <joga> just with plain sync?
May 26 15:36:04 <SpeedEvil> after removing files, or it won't immediately recover them
May 26 15:36:05 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 26 15:36:05 <joga> (did that)
May 26 15:36:14 <SpeedEvil> ah - ok
May 26 15:36:15 <jef91> grr flashing pr 1.2 reset my theme :-/
May 26 15:36:15 <slonopotamus> X-Fade: one-more-fix-that'll-fix-it-for-sure? :) how the hell it decided to remove?
May 26 15:36:25 <jef91> and all my widgets
May 26 15:36:26 <jef91> gah
May 26 15:36:34 <ZogG> jef91 do the restore thing
May 26 15:36:39 <StyleWarz> slonopotamus: i didn't find anything
May 26 15:36:46 <ZogG> jef91 and than you get everything back
May 26 15:37:27 <jef91> really? it reset applications as well?
May 26 15:37:28 <jef91> wtf
May 26 15:38:12 <slonopotamus> StyleWarz: did you search anything?
May 26 15:38:17 <Arkenoi> it damn sucks if i need to reflash from pc. any hints how to avoid that?
May 26 15:38:26 <jef91> will it need to re-download my installed applications?
May 26 15:38:26 <StyleWarz> slonopotamus: i went through the repositories packages-files
May 26 15:38:35 <slonopotamus> StyleWarz: i gave you an url. i gave you a keyword. what else do you need?
May 26 15:38:41 <StyleWarz> slonopotamus: at least anything that sounded like sdk for diablo
May 26 15:38:46 <StyleWarz> oh didn't see that
May 26 15:38:48 <slonopotamus> StyleWarz: http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories
May 26 15:38:49 <ZogG> jef91 yes
May 26 15:39:04 <ZogG> jef91, restore from backup
May 26 15:39:59 <slonopotamus> StyleWarz: i strongly suggest disabling it back after you install cfdisk (other nasty stuff can sneak in accidentally)
May 26 15:40:23 <StyleWarz> slonopotamus: what nasty stuff might happen with cfdisk?
May 26 15:40:31 <StyleWarz> i've never had troubles in all those years ;)
May 26 15:40:52 <slonopotamus> (having different versions on device/in sdk is the most insane thing you could do with sdk)
May 26 15:42:22 <StyleWarz> slonopotamus: ok it ain't there. ;)
May 26 15:42:42 <cehteh> did the frontcam quality improve with 1.2?
May 26 15:44:03 <Lazy^> Hello how i can make skype-video calls on n900 ?
May 26 15:44:34 <brik> by starting a skype call and clicking the video button
May 26 15:45:12 <Lazy^> brik: where should that video button be ?
May 26 15:45:21 <cehteh> in coversations
May 26 15:45:27 <cehteh> contacts
May 26 15:45:27 <StyleWarz> so there is no partitioning tool other than sfdisk left on the n800?
May 26 15:45:35 <davhotel> Lazy^: Are you calling a mac? I have trouble with that
May 26 15:46:01 <brik> Lazy^: when you've started the call it gives you an option to show your camera
May 26 15:46:15 <Arkenoi> is there less dangerous way than dist-upgrade and at the same time more verbose than app manager?
May 26 15:46:19 <StyleWarz> slonopotamus_: the package isn't there
May 26 15:46:32 <Lazy^> brik: i choose contact from contact list, start skypecall. There isnt any option for videocall
May 26 15:46:35 <X-Fade> Arkenoi: Flashing?
May 26 15:46:46 <Arkenoi> x-fade: OTA :-)
May 26 15:46:53 <Lazy^> brik: should i enable it first =
May 26 15:47:02 <X-Fade> Arkenoi: Use AM only then.
May 26 15:47:20 <Lazy^> davhotel: i'm calling to n900 -> mac
May 26 15:47:30 <X-Fade> Arkenoi: Make sure you have > 48MB free on roo
May 26 15:47:34 <davhotel> Lazy^: probably wont work
May 26 15:47:37 <roquetto> who does the qt4 packaging for maemo?
May 26 15:47:38 <Arkenoi> x-fade: it does not work, saying i should flash from pc and i do not even know what does it want -- free root space? removal of some blocking app?
May 26 15:47:46 <Lazy^> davhotel: do you know the reason ?
May 26 15:48:02 <X-Fade> Arkenoi: And remove brainparty/tuxracer if installed.
May 26 15:48:13 <davhotel> Lazy^: I don't think the mac client is currently supporting the codec or res, or doesnt see the video flag
May 26 15:48:30 <Arkenoi> ah. i have 45, it is probably too low. should remove something big
May 26 15:48:45 <X-Fade> Arkenoi: disable extras*
May 26 15:49:10 <anonuk> MohammadAG: still there?
May 26 15:49:20 <Arkenoi> x-fade, already done
May 26 15:50:22 <Lazy^> davhotel: yes i see no support for h264
May 26 15:50:25 <Bluewind> hm funny that dots during boot are way too fast
May 26 15:50:38 <X-Fade> Arkenoi: Reboot can sometimes help as GC runs on boot.
May 26 15:50:57 <Arkenoi> x-fade: tried that, still not enough
May 26 15:51:13 <plastun> wtf? using apt-get or App manager on N900 my app is not copying files to python2.5/site-packages directory. Using dpkg -i deb-file everything is OK
May 26 15:51:28 <davhotel> Lazy^: skype video was too good to be true :)
May 26 15:51:28 <X-Fade> apt-get clean, remove libqt4-maemo5*
May 26 15:51:30 <FredrIQ> ..
May 26 15:51:49 <X-Fade> libqt4-maemo5-* even.
May 26 15:51:52 <Lazy^> davhotel: seems so :/
May 26 15:51:54 <FredrIQ> i got a prompt about modified file since installation when runned an upgrade
May 26 15:51:54 <f66f> i last jear my gandpa died now i have a Aquarium ... and dunno what to do with it ....
May 26 15:52:10 <FredrIQ> i wanted to check what were different with D
May 26 15:52:15 <FredrIQ> "diff: not found"
May 26 15:52:23 <FredrIQ> very helpful indeed
May 26 15:53:25 <slonopotamus> FredrIQ: they call it "user-frendly"
May 26 15:53:41 <FredrIQ> indeed
May 26 15:53:55 <FredrIQ> will it be fine ignoring with Y and continue upgrade?
May 26 15:54:13 <FredrIQ> the file in question:
May 26 15:54:14 <FredrIQ> Configuration file `/etc/powervr.ini'
May 26 15:54:32 <FredrIQ> what is that file anyway
May 26 15:54:40 <slonopotamus> FredrIQ: i think yes
May 26 15:54:51 <FredrIQ> ok
May 26 15:55:19 * satmd found out where the setting for enabling video calls is hidden
May 26 15:55:23 <satmd> within contacts
May 26 15:55:31 <plastun> can anybody help me with testing my app? just install it, please
May 26 15:55:36 <FredrIQ> lol
May 26 15:55:39 <FredrIQ> nice place
May 26 15:55:51 <FredrIQ> ...and it's not enabled by default?
May 26 15:56:05 <Bluewind> here it is
May 26 15:56:12 <FredrIQ> ah
May 26 15:56:20 <FredrIQ> not installed 1.2 yet
May 26 15:56:26 <FredrIQ> and not using videocalls
May 26 15:56:38 <Aranel> "Move apt cache outside of rootfs"
May 26 15:56:54 <Aranel> Is this a good way to update? I only have 24 megabytes of rootfs space :/
May 26 15:57:16 <joga> I've deleted every big program besiedes vim and mplayer and have only gotten like 10MB back
May 26 15:57:20 <joga> if even that
May 26 15:57:33 <FredrIQ> joga: devel enabled?
May 26 15:57:39 <joga> FredrIQ: nope, but testing is
May 26 15:57:39 <redeeman> i have 56MB and it won't update
May 26 15:57:42 <cehteh> Aranel: make backup, reflash, restore .. i had to do that anyways since installing it ota borked the device
May 26 15:57:49 <FredrIQ> turn it off, refresh the lists
May 26 15:57:50 <Bluewind> I moved like 50 things from /usr to /opt and used apt-get dist-upgrade
May 26 15:57:58 <Bluewind> worked though
May 26 15:58:01 <davhotel> live oil spill rover cam feed works in media player
May 26 15:58:03 <joga> FredrIQ: you mean the repos?
May 26 15:58:05 <FredrIQ> and you will end up with some space
May 26 15:58:06 <Bluewind> and took 3-4h I think
May 26 15:58:06 <FredrIQ> :)
May 26 15:58:19 <slonopotamus> ouch
May 26 15:58:19 <FredrIQ> yeah, the big ones
May 26 15:58:29 <joga> the problem here isn't that I don't get 'some' space, rather it's that I should get *A LOT* more space than that
May 26 15:58:30 <slonopotamus> /home/user/.local is 10 megs
May 26 15:58:41 <chadi> can I lower the vibration level?
May 26 15:58:43 <tripzero> are the rumors true? 1.2 is alive?
May 26 15:58:46 <Aranel> cehteh: I've upgraded from PR1.0 to PR1.1 and PR1.1.1 later. It always worked, making backup and restoring is not a %100 guaranteed way to restore every data.
May 26 15:58:55 <FredrIQ> tripzero: updating atm. :)
May 26 15:58:58 <cehteh> chadi: /etc/mce/mce.ini
May 26 15:58:58 <tripzero> w00t
May 26 15:59:07 <cehteh> be careful :)
May 26 15:59:11 <slonopotamus> /home/user/.local/share/sounds, to be more exact
May 26 15:59:39 <chadi> cehteh: oh so it can be done? that's great; I'm asuming under the LED patterns?
May 26 15:59:47 <joga> I've probably removed about 100M worth but I guess they're still there, somewhere
May 26 15:59:54 <joga> rebooting didn't have an effect earlier at least
May 26 16:00:13 <FredrIQ> joga: if the packages is optified, they don't fill up root space
May 26 16:00:27 <Corsac> is it just me or one can't search anymore in HAM?
May 26 16:00:31 <joga> FredrIQ: so what does then? are libraries optified, in general?
May 26 16:00:32 <Corsac> while it was possible before
May 26 16:00:33 <cehteh> Aranel: the 1.1 things worked for me too, but considering for how many people (admitly the ones who fiddled with the device) its broken
May 26 16:00:34 <greenfly> is there a consensus on how much free space you need on / for an OTR update?
May 26 16:00:49 <Aranel> is it possible to get a list of non-optified packages?
May 26 16:00:56 <X-Fade> Corsac: It is you.
May 26 16:01:05 <X-Fade> Corsac: Just start typing.
May 26 16:01:17 * slonopotamus wonders why he has qt installed
May 26 16:01:19 <slonopotamus> arachnist: no
May 26 16:01:19 <slonopotamus> err, missed
May 26 16:01:19 <slonopotamus> Aranel: no
May 26 16:01:19 <joga> Aranel: I thought about it, I guess it is since you can get a listing of package contents with dpkg -L and so on, but there should be an easier way
May 26 16:01:24 <FredrIQ> w00t
May 26 16:01:31 <FredrIQ> i think the update is done
May 26 16:01:43 <teilzeitstudent> I installed 1.2 manually using the flasher, including a new emmc. Now I seem to have filesystem problems; it keeps telling me that a directory called "music" exists, but it is not there. Also, 246mb are already used (probably by default?). Are there any tools to check filesystem integrity?
May 26 16:02:06 <FredrIQ> hmm
May 26 16:02:21 <FredrIQ> interesting that some of the features actually works without reboot
May 26 16:02:21 <tripzero> fsck it
May 26 16:02:38 <tripzero> FredrIQ, not surprized
May 26 16:02:42 <tripzero> that's linux ;)
May 26 16:02:45 <teilzeitstudent> tripzero, which means I have to unmount it?
May 26 16:02:49 <teilzeitstudent> The MyDocs~
May 26 16:02:50 <FredrIQ> yeah
May 26 16:02:51 <FredrIQ> :p
May 26 16:03:00 <tripzero> teilzeitstudent, yep, umount it and fsck it
May 26 16:03:03 <Aranel> joga: doesnt seem hard to do, maybe someone with basic Python knowledge can do that and save the day :)
May 26 16:03:05 <FredrIQ> but as 50 percent, including Sym doesn't work.. brb reboot
May 26 16:03:16 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, meh, supposedly that's what I'm here for. ;)
May 26 16:03:20 <Arkenoi>  49972 free, still does not let me update :-/ that sucks!
May 26 16:03:20 <joga> Aranel: yeah, shouldn't be all that hard
May 26 16:04:10 <Aranel> joga: dpkg -L is misleading :/ Tried it on amsn package, it showed LOTS of files on rootfs, removed it and yay, 0.9 freed :(
May 26 16:04:23 <joga> Aranel: yeah but are they big files ;)
May 26 16:04:48 <joga> for some reason I think deborphan is needed
May 26 16:04:59 <Aranel> joga: It does not print sizes to screen :/
May 26 16:05:10 <joga> Aranel: the app manager can sort by size
May 26 16:05:17 <joga> but doesn't tell if it's opt :)
May 26 16:05:45 <Aranel> joga: app manager says its 24 Megabytes, and dpkg -L shows them all as non-optified.
May 26 16:06:03 <joga> (I suppose optification can be seen from the package itself?)
May 26 16:06:28 <slonopotamus> fmradioplayer is 2.6mb o_O
May 26 16:07:08 <Aranel> oops, it seems terminal history was not enough for entire output. Now I'm not sure :/
May 26 16:07:56 <joga> Aranel: I think the app manager has some rough estimate of the size...maybe including libs
May 26 16:08:11 <joga> so it just deletes the prog and leaves all the deps hanging there
May 26 16:08:15 <joga> but I dunno
May 26 16:08:51 <greenfly> Arkenoi: remove any applications that might use opengl
May 26 16:09:16 <root____> guys what is the situation with the whole meego/maemo nonsense, i was preparing to get the n900 and sold off my old phone but i just found out that meego is not going to come out on the n900 which means not many people will be using maemo anymore and not enough market for potential developers to sell apps for. Is that reasonable concern?
May 26 16:09:18 <Arkenoi> greenfly, ah, *again*. ok
May 26 16:09:47 <greenfly> Arkenoi: yeah, I freed up to like 60Mb by using all the tricks and still nothing. removed things like duke nukem and then it worked *shrug*
May 26 16:10:24 <Arkenoi> ok, byebye descent
May 26 16:11:12 <Arkenoi> and fuck stupid idiot who thing that detailed diagnostics is confusing and user should not see it or ever understand what happens
May 26 16:11:18 <Arkenoi> s/thing/think/
May 26 16:11:19 <infobot> Arkenoi meant: and fuck stupid idiot who think that detailed diagnostics is confusing and user should not see it or ever understand what happens
May 26 16:12:08 <timeless_mbp> t0or: maemo isn't going to die tomorrow
May 26 16:12:26 <FredrIQ> hm
May 26 16:12:31 <timeless_mbp> and there should be additional service releases
May 26 16:12:40 <tripzero> what's a good way to find my wifi mac addy?  ifconfig doesnt exist in the busybox :|
May 26 16:12:41 <timeless_mbp> Nokia is trying to encourage people to develop applications using Qt
May 26 16:12:49 <timeless_mbp> Qt should work on both Maemo5 and MeeGo
May 26 16:13:02 <aSIMULAtor> i have a question..someone i know who has a device from the maemo summit wants to know what he shoudl flash his device with
May 26 16:13:05 <timeless_mbp> so, if an app dev tries to write for the future and picks Qt, they should be able to provide a Maemo binary too
May 26 16:13:07 <FredrIQ> and symbian^3 and onwards
May 26 16:13:13 <t0or> timeless_mbp: yes i agree  infact i doubt that it'll die at all but the more important point was because the client base for devs.
May 26 16:13:19 <FredrIQ> shouldn't texting in the menu start a search?
May 26 16:13:20 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: same thing as anyone else
May 26 16:13:24 <aSIMULAtor> supposidly there's like 5 different types
May 26 16:13:28 <aSIMULAtor> uk, global, blah balh albah
May 26 16:13:34 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: ignore uk
May 26 16:13:38 <Arkenoi> did not help. fuck!
May 26 16:13:50 <aSIMULAtor> global?
May 26 16:13:58 <timeless_mbp> yeah, i'd pick global
May 26 16:14:07 <t0or> FredrIQ, timeless_mbp: i see
May 26 16:14:15 <aSIMULAtor> this is interesting though everyone i know who has an n900 is having friggin trouble with pr1.2
May 26 16:14:21 <Corsac> works for me
May 26 16:14:29 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: i'm not :)
May 26 16:14:42 <aSIMULAtor> i didnt' have problems either
May 26 16:14:48 <marmoute> timeless_mbp: you have it for month :-)
May 26 16:14:48 <timeless_mbp> i mean, minus a bug which two people found in the browser earlier this week...
May 26 16:14:50 <aSIMULAtor> i was able to update over hte air
May 26 16:14:54 <timeless_mbp> marmoute: yeah well
May 26 16:15:08 <timeless_mbp> i mean, it isn't perfect, but… actually
May 26 16:15:10 <timeless_mbp> i have 2 devices
May 26 16:15:14 * timeless_mbp ponders
May 26 16:15:21 <SpeedEvil> AstralStorm: Worked first time flawlessly for me
May 26 16:15:22 <timeless_mbp> no, iirc they're both running pr1.2 official
May 26 16:15:33 <timeless_mbp> one was running a pre for a bit, but i think it got updated last week
May 26 16:15:37 <SpeedEvil> Also - yay - back is now back.
May 26 16:15:41 * timeless_mbp installs some random app
May 26 16:15:50 <SpeedEvil>  np: Sir Mix-A-Lot - Baby Got Back.
May 26 16:16:55 <Corsac> hmmh, is there a status.net (ex identi.ca) app?
May 26 16:17:04 <Arkenoi> sucks. other suggestions?
May 26 16:18:00 * Arkenoi 'd torture the asshole who made such shamanic practices required the way he deserves if i could get my hands on him
May 26 16:18:20 <tripzero> i can has wifi mac addy?
May 26 16:20:04 <Trizt> how much free do you need on the / to be able to update? I have now 42.1 and it don't seem to be enough
May 26 16:21:42 <oilgame_> http://pastebin.org/283577 Have I done something or should rootfs really be just 227.5MB?
May 26 16:22:05 <oilgame_> I cant even update to PR1.2, because it requires over 100MB free space.
May 26 16:22:18 <SpeedEvil> oilgame: No, it dordn't
May 26 16:22:21 <johnsu01> do I actually need to reflash in order to update to 1.2?
May 26 16:22:29 <SpeedEvil> oilgame: I had about 55.
May 26 16:22:31 <timeless_mbp> johnsu01: 'no'
May 26 16:22:37 <FredrIQ> hmm
May 26 16:22:37 <johnsu01> (as the updater is telling me I have to use the nokia pc application)
May 26 16:22:59 <timeless_mbp> johnsu01: you probably have a conflict… do you have rootsh installed?
May 26 16:23:02 <Bluewind> anyone else has issues with the chat history not showing up?
May 26 16:23:07 <timeless_mbp> actually
May 26 16:23:08 <johnsu01> timeless_mbp: yes
May 26 16:23:19 * timeless_mbp wonders if the hildon-application-manager log feature is useful
May 26 16:23:30 <Arkenoi> fuck! it was kernel-module-joydev!
May 26 16:23:45 <oilgame_> SpeedEvi: When I try to update it only says that I dont have enaught free space..
May 26 16:23:56 <timeless_mbp> before you run to the console, try tapping  application manager's title area and selecting 'log'
May 26 16:24:02 <timeless_mbp> you should be able to tap 'save as'
May 26 16:24:12 <timeless_mbp> (this assumes your current session has a failed install attempt)
May 26 16:24:22 <timeless_mbp> save the log, and stick it somewhere
May 26 16:24:35 <timeless_mbp> if we're lucky, the log explains why ham refused to update your system :)
May 26 16:24:36 <a-saint> hello guys am unable to download the new N900 maemo update "Not enough memory in target location"
May 26 16:24:59 <timeless_mbp> does someone have a nice faq url for a-saint? (there is one)
May 26 16:25:14 <MiXu-> a-saint, oilgame_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
May 26 16:25:28 <Arkenoi> should i change any repository information after update to get correct 1.2 versions of packages?
May 26 16:25:43 <a-saint> MiXu- thanks a lot
May 26 16:25:52 <MiXu-> Arkenoi: not necessary
May 26 16:25:58 <timeless_mbp> Arkenoi: ideally everything should magically DoTheRightThing ™ :)
May 26 16:26:43 <oilgame_> MiXu-:�ty
May 26 16:26:47 <MohammadAG_> but hey, BadThingsHappen�
May 26 16:26:49 <MohammadAG_> :P
May 26 16:27:01 <MiXu-> np
May 26 16:27:29 <Bluewind> where's the chat history saved in pr 1.2?
May 26 16:27:36 <blizzow> anyone got an idea how long the update should take?
May 26 16:27:51 <Bluewind> blizzow: took 3h or something like that here
May 26 16:27:56 <Bluewind> though that was OTA
May 26 16:27:58 <timeless_mbp> Bluewind: same place it is before? it's in a sqlite db
May 26 16:28:02 <blizzow> three hours??!
May 26 16:28:05 <Bluewind> timeless_mbp: where?
May 26 16:28:23 <MiXu-> Took me about 30 minutes iirc
May 26 16:28:23 <timeless_mbp> Bluewind: there's a wiki page which covers this stuff :)
May 26 16:28:26 <PhonicUK> hey all, is there a way to view alt text in the browser?
May 26 16:28:37 <blizzow> Was that in the download or the actual upgrade?
May 26 16:28:39 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: in 1.2 view-source:<url>
May 26 16:28:41 <johnsu01> timeless_mbp: only error seems to be a gpg error from the mozilla repa
May 26 16:28:44 <johnsu01> repo
May 26 16:28:48 <tgalal> how do I launch the Conversations app from terminal ??? It's not reading the restored db file and I need to debug it
May 26 16:28:48 <PhonicUK> lol
May 26 16:28:52 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: or turn off downloading images
May 26 16:29:09 <timeless_mbp> (in adjust view)
May 26 16:29:16 <timeless_mbp> johnsu01: darn
May 26 16:29:23 <timeless_mbp> time to use XTerminal :)
May 26 16:29:26 <Bluewind> timeless_mbp: it's not that I wouldn't google before asking
May 26 16:30:28 <Corsac> grmnl, tmo search only gives the thread, not the post or the page
May 26 16:30:38 <timeless_mbp> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45221 the last comment on the first page lists the relevant directory (.rtcom-eventlogger)
May 26 16:30:39 <PhonicUK> thats annoying
May 26 16:30:43 <PhonicUK> ah well
May 26 16:30:54 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: why?
May 26 16:30:59 <timeless_mbp> what do you need them for?
May 26 16:31:09 <Bluewind> timeless_mbp: thx
May 26 16:31:09 <PhonicUK> xkcd
May 26 16:31:17 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: xkcd is broken
May 26 16:31:21 <timeless_mbp> tell them to fix their site
May 26 16:31:39 <PhonicUK> ? seems fine to me
May 26 16:31:45 <timeless_mbp> alt is *ALTERNATE* text
May 26 16:31:51 <timeless_mbp> it is not "magic secret text"
May 26 16:31:58 <timeless_mbp> it's supposed to be *equivalent* to the picture
May 26 16:32:03 <PhonicUK> hes actually using the title tag
May 26 16:32:09 <timeless_mbp> oh
May 26 16:32:12 <timeless_mbp> that's not the same as ALT
May 26 16:32:17 <timeless_mbp> if you mean TITLE, say TITLE
May 26 16:32:20 * timeless_mbp hates users
May 26 16:32:32 <PhonicUK> which is legit
May 26 16:32:33 <timeless_mbp> if you're a user, please say "i want to see something when I hover over the picture"
May 26 16:32:40 <PhonicUK> lol
May 26 16:32:41 <timeless_mbp> you want to use Mouse Mode
May 26 16:32:50 <timeless_mbp> or Interactive Mode, however you want to call it
May 26 16:32:57 <PhonicUK> im a dev :p
May 26 16:32:58 <timeless_mbp> which was supported in the original sales release
May 26 16:33:08 <timeless_mbp> you're a bad dev, please go back to pretending to be a user.
May 26 16:33:13 <PhonicUK> lol
May 26 16:33:25 <timeless_mbp> … and is documented all over, including in the maemo.nokia.com page
May 26 16:33:41 <PhonicUK> i didnt realise he was using label instead of alt until i looked at the code
May 26 16:33:43 <timeless_mbp> http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam
May 26 16:33:45 <timeless_mbp> you should watch their videos
May 26 16:33:51 <timeless_mbp> see, view-source: saved the day!
May 26 16:33:58 <timeless_mbp> a pr1.2 feature :)
May 26 16:34:23 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: where's the browser howto? i can't find it in that youtube page
May 26 16:34:33 * RST38h wonders how to make portrait mode stick in some applications
May 26 16:34:37 <PhonicUK> i dislike that the bookmarks and history buttons swapped places
May 26 16:34:49 * timeless_mbp shrugs
May 26 16:34:53 <PhonicUK> and the new OSK
May 26 16:35:05 <timeless_mbp> the new osk is /mostly/ better than the old one
May 26 16:35:10 <SpeedEvil> I hate the new osk
May 26 16:35:11 <timeless_mbp> sadly they regressed some 1.1 features :(
May 26 16:35:20 <SpeedEvil> In what ways is it better?
May 26 16:35:28 <PhonicUK> the text keeps changing size as i type :/
May 26 16:35:31 <timeless_mbp> including a community negotiated feature :(
May 26 16:35:35 <PhonicUK> really annoying
May 26 16:35:40 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: eh?
May 26 16:35:56 <PhonicUK> use the OSK to type a long message.
May 26 16:36:09 <defragger> why is the rootfs that small?
May 26 16:36:19 <SpeedEvil> defragger: Because the / device is 256M
May 26 16:36:26 <PhonicUK> after the 1st line, it changes size every time you type a char
May 26 16:36:30 <w00t_> timeless_mbp: do you know how to use OSK to type a | character since 1.2 btw? I can't figure that out for the life of me..
May 26 16:36:47 <PhonicUK> pause typing and it changes again
May 26 16:36:48 <defragger> ah ok i see
May 26 16:36:50 <defragger> thx
May 26 16:36:51 <w00t_> ah
May 26 16:36:54 <w00t_> and i just found out how..
May 26 16:37:04 <w00t_> (a bit nonobvious that symbols change when you hit shift)
May 26 16:37:09 <PhonicUK> found it too
May 26 16:37:17 <PhonicUK> thats annoying too
May 26 16:37:18 <pillar> hey where is the skype video calling available at?
May 26 16:37:28 <timeless_mbp> w00t_: installing hebrew breaks the hardware keyboard, so i press fn-EUR and get |
May 26 16:37:29 <SpeedEvil> In some ways I hate all the little 'obvious' ways of doing stuff.
May 26 16:37:29 <timeless_mbp> :)
May 26 16:37:32 <PhonicUK> pillar, contacts list
May 26 16:37:35 <pillar> I just installed PR1.2 and wanted to try it
May 26 16:37:37 <timeless_mbp> pillar: normal contacts
May 26 16:37:48 <timeless_mbp> it depends on whether skype "thinks" the other party is video enabled
May 26 16:37:52 <SpeedEvil> I would love in many cases a popup the first time I use a feature explainind stuff.
May 26 16:38:08 <PhonicUK> you have to be logged into skype for the option to show
May 26 16:38:10 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: way too logical
May 26 16:38:10 <SpeedEvil> For exampl - click application manager - 'Hey - do you know you can rearrange these icons by...'
May 26 16:38:17 <PhonicUK> i made that mistake
May 26 16:38:29 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: you mean the app launcher not application manager :)
May 26 16:38:39 <SpeedEvil> Rather than randomly spastically clicking on bits of decoration.
May 26 16:38:43 <SpeedEvil> timeless: indeed.
May 26 16:38:56 <pillar> ok, skype is showing that my friends status is offline so that's maybe why
May 26 16:39:00 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: we've asked for that repeatedly
May 26 16:39:00 <Aranel> files located @ /home/user/.something counts as rootfs or optified?
May 26 16:39:11 <timeless_mbp> pillar: yeah, you can't make video calls to people who aren't online :)
May 26 16:39:17 <cehteh> pillar: yes no video chat selection for offline people
May 26 16:39:28 <SpeedEvil> Aranel: /home/ is a different filesystem
May 26 16:39:35 <pillar> they are online for sure though, I just talked normal skype call
May 26 16:39:38 <SpeedEvil> Aranel: As is MyDocs
May 26 16:39:49 <timeless_mbp> pillar: are they invisible or something?
May 26 16:39:52 <pillar> it's just that the status hasn't updated
May 26 16:39:58 <Aranel> SpeedEvil: so everything stored under /home/ is not gonna help me for freeing up rootfs space, isnt it?
May 26 16:40:03 <MaikB> Hi folks.  Am I imagining it, or is 1.2 quite a bit snappier?
May 26 16:40:08 <SpeedEvil> Aranel: Not at all.
May 26 16:40:11 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rSDf2IkmLs
May 26 16:40:15 <Aranel> SpeedEvil: thanks =)
May 26 16:40:15 <SpeedEvil> MaikB: In some ways.
May 26 16:40:34 <SpeedEvil> MaikB: I still get occasional music stalls when compiling a kernel.
May 26 16:40:38 <timeless_mbp> <  Nokia N900: How to use Mouse Mode  >
May 26 16:41:04 <MaikB> SpeedEvil, you compile kernels on device?
May 26 16:41:05 <joga> does anyone know what the sizes reported by app manager are actually?
May 26 16:41:11 <MaikB> awesome lol
May 26 16:41:13 <SpeedEvil> MaikB: I'm just trying it.
May 26 16:41:45 <SpeedEvil> MaikB: It's at net/packet after a couple of hours
May 26 16:42:05 <PhonicUK> i know about mouse mode :p
May 26 16:42:47 <Aranel> any good apps for graphical disk usage? DiskUsage shows lots of /home/ folders, even If I ask for rootfs space :/
May 26 16:42:48 <PhonicUK> wtf, they moved backspace to the BOTTOM of the OSK?!?!
May 26 16:42:55 <PhonicUK> retards!
May 26 16:43:14 <Bluewind> ok ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db ist still here and ok, but the gui doesn't show the logs
May 26 16:43:20 <joga> PhonicUK: maybe you can use ukeyboard to make it better? I haven't tried it though
May 26 16:43:26 <ShadowJK> Just let some schoolchildren play scrabble, then take the OSK layout from the result
May 26 16:43:28 <PhonicUK> Aranel, storage usage is good
May 26 16:43:33 <Bluewind> permissions also seem ok
May 26 16:43:44 <PhonicUK> it shows by filesystem instead of by tree
May 26 16:43:46 <MaikB> SpeedEvil, I didn't build my own kernel since my gentoo days :)
May 26 16:43:53 <PhonicUK> conky is a must have too
May 26 16:44:03 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: yeah well, the people who designed the new OSK aren't the brightest
May 26 16:44:08 <Aranel> PhonicUK: thanks, trying it now =)
May 26 16:44:14 <PhonicUK> no kidding
May 26 16:44:23 <timeless_mbp> in general, their changes weren't so bad
May 26 16:44:33 <aSIMULAtor> hrm
May 26 16:44:37 <timeless_mbp> but yeah, the backspace should have been top right
May 26 16:44:38 <Bluewind> ah http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53762
May 26 16:44:40 <timeless_mbp> that's unfortunate
May 26 16:44:46 <aSIMULAtor> yeah and how are you going to put it at hte top right
May 26 16:44:51 <aSIMULAtor> if it's a friggin dialog now
May 26 16:44:58 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: ?
May 26 16:44:59 <PhonicUK> theres more stuff i hate in 1.2 than i like
May 26 16:45:08 <aSIMULAtor> i'm talking about the backspace
May 26 16:45:14 <aSIMULAtor> add another row?
May 26 16:45:14 <a-saint> MiXu- isn't there a way to increase the root space
May 26 16:45:18 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: the OSK has 4 rows
May 26 16:45:30 <lardman> ~lart Ubuntu updates for breaking things
May 26 16:45:30 * infobot cuts off Ubuntu updates's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for breaking things
May 26 16:45:35 <timeless_mbp> take the backspace key from row 4 and move it to row 1, move rows 1..3 to 2..4
May 26 16:45:46 <timeless_mbp> i.e. "top right of the OSK"
May 26 16:46:01 <PhonicUK> the osk should have stayed full screen
May 26 16:46:17 <timeless_mbp> PhonicUK: the full screen keyboard was moderately painful
May 26 16:46:20 <timeless_mbp> and problematic
May 26 16:46:38 <xorAxAx> what could be the reason for this apt problem? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218573/
May 26 16:46:48 <PhonicUK> better than this imo
May 26 16:46:52 <xorAxAx> anybody seen that?
May 26 16:46:57 <pillar> it's annoying that the Call with skype to the cell number is visible right away, but the actual skype call one has to scroll for..
May 26 16:47:03 <aSIMULAtor> from what i remember, the reason why the backspace key was added to hte lowest row is cause it's right next to your thumb
May 26 16:47:07 <PhonicUK> using it now on the bus
May 26 16:47:21 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: interesting
May 26 16:47:31 <aSIMULAtor> enter, backspace, blah blah
May 26 16:47:32 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: it would be nice if people published their explanations
May 26 16:47:44 <PhonicUK> but my thumbs are in the middle, not at the bottom
May 26 16:47:49 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: personally, having just been a user experience guinea pig for a future OSK
May 26 16:47:50 <aSIMULAtor> are your thumbs retarded
May 26 16:48:10 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: it's easier for me to hit the top right of the OSK than the bottom right
May 26 16:48:29 <timeless_mbp> because it's a radial sweep away from the bottom right corner of the device
May 26 16:48:40 <aSIMULAtor> i would have prefered it not to be a dialog
May 26 16:48:49 <aSIMULAtor> but yeah as you said, problems with it being full screen
May 26 16:49:10 <timeless_mbp> xorAxAx: why do you think that apt-cache output indicates a problem?
May 26 16:49:30 <aSIMULAtor> though also, i think that hte on screen keyboard is somewhat supposed to look like how a regular kb looks like which i think it does
May 26 16:49:40 <SpeedEvil> Deal with it by making the 'return' icon look like close
May 26 16:49:42 <aSIMULAtor> backspace would have been good at hte top
May 26 16:49:43 <aSIMULAtor> but
May 26 16:49:47 <aSIMULAtor> what about hte other languages?
May 26 16:49:51 <SpeedEvil> space is too large now
May 26 16:50:11 <GNU\caust1c> hi! is there a way to update the n900 without the nokia software?
May 26 16:50:17 <Stskeeps> GNU\caust1c: yes, flasher-3.
May 26 16:50:18 <Stskeeps> 5
May 26 16:50:22 <timeless_mbp> GNU\caust1c: eh?
May 26 16:50:29 <timeless_mbp> you can use SSU, Flasher, or NSU
May 26 16:50:31 <MohammadAG_> ~flashing
May 26 16:50:32 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 16:50:32 <zaheerm> TomaszD, ping
May 26 16:50:33 <Bluewind> GNU\caust1c: apt-get dist-upgrade but takes ages
May 26 16:50:35 <timeless_mbp> all of that is nokia software
May 26 16:50:54 <TomaszD> zaheerm, pong
May 26 16:51:04 <timeless_mbp> aSIMULAtor: you're around these days, right?
May 26 16:51:06 <PhonicUK> the osk should match a real one as close as possible imo
May 26 16:51:06 <PhonicUK> same here
May 26 16:51:06 <PhonicUK> and you need backspace a lot in the osk
May 26 16:51:12 <MohammadAG_> MeeGo 1.0 out?
May 26 16:51:13 <TomaszD> zaheerm, is it that time again?
May 26 16:51:17 <aSIMULAtor> in the office?
May 26 16:51:21 <timeless_mbp> yeah
May 26 16:51:25 <aSIMULAtor> yep same place
May 26 16:51:27 <zaheerm> TomaszD, i created gstreamer plugin packages so we can get webm support in, any chance you can add it to extra decoders
May 26 16:51:46 <aSIMULAtor> timeless
May 26 16:51:51 <zaheerm> TomaszD, and add the tracker-register-mimetype stuff for video/webm
May 26 16:51:51 * aSIMULAtor batts her eyelashes at timeless
May 26 16:51:52 <GNU\caust1c> hmk
May 26 16:51:57 <aSIMULAtor> my friend is having problems with pr1.2
May 26 16:52:03 <TomaszD> zaheerm, sure, I was kind of thinking if we need any updates for the other gstreamer packages
May 26 16:52:17 <timeless_mbp> come visit me some time
May 26 16:52:22 <blizzow> so fmms is in extras once I install 1.2?
May 26 16:52:23 <timeless_mbp> what's wrong? :)
May 26 16:52:25 <blizzow> and will work?
May 26 16:52:26 <aSIMULAtor> what flor
May 26 16:52:30 <aSIMULAtor> same?
May 26 16:52:31 <timeless_mbp> e3
May 26 16:52:35 <aSIMULAtor> k
May 26 16:52:39 <timeless_mbp> yep
May 26 16:52:40 <zaheerm> TomaszD, no need for updates, tho we could use the opportunity to push new versions of plugins in
May 26 16:52:44 <timeless_mbp> in now fwiw
May 26 16:52:56 <MiXu-> a-saint: no, there's no way to increase rootfs size since it's on a separate chip.
May 26 16:53:02 <aSIMULAtor> i haven't been on this irc in a long time
May 26 16:53:04 <TomaszD> zaheerm, yeah, mkv, musepack and others
May 26 16:53:08 <Arkenoi> now watching NOKIA logo for several minutes
May 26 16:53:12 <Arkenoi> is that ok?
May 26 16:53:12 <zaheerm> TomaszD, well i already did mkv
May 26 16:53:18 <xorAxAx> timeless_mbp: it should merge all versions to one
May 26 16:53:26 <xorAxAx> timeless_mbp: it thinks that it needs to update that and other packages
May 26 16:53:31 <KMFDM> nokia software updator keeps failign for me
May 26 16:53:32 <zaheerm> TomaszD, needed for webm support
May 26 16:53:33 <xorAxAx> timeless_mbp: after update, it still thinks so
May 26 16:53:33 <TomaszD> zaheerm, ok so we could do musepack and rm then
May 26 16:53:34 <KMFDM> with downloading update failed
May 26 16:53:44 <KMFDM> it keeps trying to resume a download it seems
May 26 16:53:52 <KMFDM> as it always jumps to 33.6MB done
May 26 16:53:54 <KMFDM> then fials
May 26 16:53:55 <KMFDM> fails
May 26 16:54:03 <TomaszD> and then push out new decoders-support with updated dependencies
May 26 16:54:14 <zaheerm> TomaszD, yah good idea
May 26 16:54:18 <MohammadAG_> MeeGo 1.0 out*
May 26 16:54:20 <Arkenoi> it would suck if i will be finally forced to pc reflash
May 26 16:54:23 <timeless_mbp> xorAxAx: hrm
May 26 16:54:27 <aSIMULAtor> timeless: meet kmfdm my friend out of the other many who are having problems
May 26 16:54:35 <TomaszD> zaheerm, I need the mimetypes for webm
May 26 16:54:36 <Arkenoi> but there is no progress, just nokia logo
May 26 16:54:57 <timeless_mbp> so, you don't really want to use 'policy'
May 26 16:55:02 <KMFDM> my problem seems to be nokia software updater
May 26 16:55:10 <zaheerm> TomaszD, video/webm
May 26 16:55:17 <TomaszD> k
May 26 16:55:26 <timeless_mbp> xorAxAx: policy is basically saying " you have 3 repositories configured with the same host which claim to offer the same version"
May 26 16:55:30 <MiXu-> KMFDM: Do you have the latest NSU?
May 26 16:55:34 <KMFDM> yes
May 26 16:55:34 <zaheerm> TomaszD, and it needs to pick up latest gstreamer0.10-mkv package plus gstreamer0.10-vp8
May 26 16:55:35 <timeless_mbp> they might not be the same package version :)
May 26 16:55:37 <KMFDM> i installed the update today
May 26 16:55:48 <timeless_mbp> hi KMFDM
May 26 16:55:51 <KMFDM> hi timeless
May 26 16:55:52 <TomaszD> zaheerm, how about moving registering mimetypes to the metapackage like we planned
May 26 16:55:58 <TomaszD> was there a good plan for this?
May 26 16:56:06 <aSIMULAtor> no email app shortcut for desktop?
May 26 16:56:06 <johnsu01> timeless_mbp: it looks like my problem might just be space after all..
May 26 16:56:09 <TomaszD> I can't think of one that doesn't break things
May 26 16:56:12 <xorAxAx> timeless_mbp: no, it has to look like this:
May 26 16:56:39 <zaheerm> TomaszD, which mimetypes need to move to the metapackage?
May 26 16:56:46 <TomaszD> let me see
May 26 16:57:06 <xorAxAx> timeless_mbp: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218576
May 26 16:57:20 <timeless_mbp> xorAxAx: try apt-cache showpkg … instead of policy ...
May 26 16:57:50 <blizzow> wow meego uses btrfs.
May 26 16:58:14 <xorAxAx> timeless_mbp: 4 provides lines :-(
May 26 16:58:15 <PhonicUK> i did a reflash, ota install died on me
May 26 16:58:50 <Arkenoi> phonic: how it died?
May 26 16:59:01 <MohammadAG_> Arkenoi, I said 1.0
May 26 16:59:05 <MohammadAG_> not 0.1
May 26 16:59:12 * Arkenoi tries to figure out if it died or just stuck for a while
May 26 16:59:13 <MohammadAG_> anyways, i'll reflash it soon, not
May 26 16:59:25 <xorAxAx> timeless_mbp: brb, this issue seems to block also the pr 1.2 upgrade
May 26 16:59:37 <timeless_mbp> xorAxAx: pastebin the showpkg output?
May 26 16:59:49 <PhonicUK> lol ptl
May 26 16:59:51 <Arkenoi> 10 minutes of blue NOKIA logo
May 26 17:00:03 <TomaszD> zaheerm, decoders-support only registers matroska and mpeg2 transport stream
May 26 17:00:11 <Arkenoi> is it too much? should i turn it off until it drained battery completely?
May 26 17:00:28 <PhonicUK> mine took 5 mins to boot, rootfs was full, nothing worked
May 26 17:00:33 <blizzow> Arkenoi: I thought mine died, I had to hold in the power button for a few seconds and then it went to a nokia screen and said it's "installing software update"
May 26 17:00:38 <PhonicUK> so i reflahed with maemo flashed
May 26 17:00:49 <PhonicUK> ~flashing
May 26 17:00:50 <infobot> methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 17:00:52 <zaheerm> TomaszD, so realmedia one needs to be done, what else
May 26 17:01:02 <blizzow> ~flashing
May 26 17:01:03 <infobot> i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 17:01:03 <TomaszD> and musepack
May 26 17:01:12 <TomaszD> zaheerm, ^
May 26 17:01:15 <blizzow> ~bj
May 26 17:01:17 <infobot> well, bj is Benin
May 26 17:01:28 <PhonicUK> ~42
May 26 17:01:29 <infobot> 42 is, like, the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything
May 26 17:01:41 * Arkenoi will wait 5 more minutes and then will try to restart it either way
May 26 17:01:46 <PhonicUK> ~phonicuk
May 26 17:01:53 <PhonicUK> aw
May 26 17:02:14 <blizzow> ~infobot
May 26 17:02:15 <infobot> well, infobot is the most helpful and smartest of all the bots
May 26 17:02:23 <blizzow> ~meego
May 26 17:02:24 <infobot> rumour has it, meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices
May 26 17:02:28 <PhonicUK> ~cheese
May 26 17:02:28 <blizzow> ~maemo
May 26 17:02:29 <infobot> i heard cheese is pure awesomesause.  I love cheese.
May 26 17:02:30 <infobot> somebody said maemo was http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml
May 26 17:02:40 <blizzow> ~btrfs
May 26 17:02:46 <PhonicUK> ~n910
May 26 17:02:46 <papo> hello
May 26 17:02:51 <blizzow> ~BP
May 26 17:02:52 <infobot> i heard bp is pb backwards
May 26 17:02:55 <PhonicUK> ~n920
May 26 17:02:59 <PhonicUK> ~n900
May 26 17:03:00 <infobot> i heard n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside
May 26 17:03:01 <TomaszD> zaheerm, what would be the solution, push everything at once?
May 26 17:03:06 <blizzow> ~British Petroleum
May 26 17:03:14 <TomaszD> could you two stop doing this?
May 26 17:03:16 <PhonicUK> ~google
May 26 17:03:17 <infobot> google is probably http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google
May 26 17:03:35 <PhonicUK> lol
May 26 17:03:40 <blizzow> Sorry TomaszD, I'll private message infobot with this.
May 26 17:04:06 <TomaszD> zaheerm, or push the updated metapackage first, it won't be installable, then push the decoders
May 26 17:04:09 <papo> I'm flashing my N900 and am wondering about the following things: 1. what exactly does the MMC image contain? wiki sais that I don't need it but some other bogs etc. want me to flash it. 2) what is not contained in the backup done by the backup utility?
May 26 17:04:27 <Stskeeps> papo: it overwrites your 32gb storage
May 26 17:04:36 <Arkenoi> well, power button does not respond either
May 26 17:04:46 <Arkenoi> will wait a little more and remove accumulator
May 26 17:04:46 <PhonicUK> take the battery out
May 26 17:04:52 <timeless_mbp> sorry, irc client crashed, time for an update :)
May 26 17:05:14 <papo> Stskeeps: Hm ok but what would one to flash that storage in the first place? Isn't it more or less empty?
May 26 17:05:20 <papo> I mean when you first get the device
May 26 17:05:28 <Stskeeps> papo: it's the same thing that's flashed initialyl to the device
May 26 17:05:57 <Arkenoi> got Nokia logo
May 26 17:06:03 <Arkenoi> then bubbles running
May 26 17:06:10 <Arkenoi> then nokia logo again
May 26 17:06:12 <papo> Stskeeps: to be honest I have no idea what was in there initially
May 26 17:06:35 <Arkenoi> bubbles running again
May 26 17:06:46 <Arkenoi> and it powered itself off
May 26 17:06:47 <papo> Stskeeps: so if I don't flash the MMC I will keep my home with all the podcasts and dot files/directories etc.?
May 26 17:06:59 <Stskeeps> papo: right. but i would just do OTA update
May 26 17:07:02 <Arkenoi> then on, nokia logo again
May 26 17:07:11 <papo> Stskeeps: this doesn't work for me for some reasons
May 26 17:07:31 <MiXu-> Arkenoi: How long since you started the update?
May 26 17:07:32 <Arkenoi> i guess it is a loop and it is dead
May 26 17:07:43 <papo> Stskeeps: I just never get the message of a pending OS upgrade. I get notifications for programs, though
May 26 17:07:48 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: bubbles?
May 26 17:08:04 <Arkenoi> MiXu-, half and hour
May 26 17:08:26 <joga> is 45MB enough?
May 26 17:08:34 <MiXu-> Arkenoi: Ok. I don't recall it powering off that much while upgrading.
May 26 17:08:41 <Arkenoi> looks quite like a reboot loop, it boots up to different stages (i've seen a desktop wallpaper once even) and then reboots again
May 26 17:08:48 <Khertan_n900> Hi !
May 26 17:08:53 <joga> Arkenoi: on charger?
May 26 17:09:04 <Arkenoi> joga: nope, should i?
May 26 17:09:29 <joga> Arkenoi: I dunno. I've had such loops when I was using a charger that didn't actually have the muscle to charge the device
May 26 17:09:53 <papo> Stskeeps: I don't even understand how this is supposed to work... I read reports like "1.2 available in UK today" and stuff like that, how can this be rolled out country by country anyway?
May 26 17:10:33 <joga> in the package details it says "Updating 'Maemo 5' requires 20,0 MB of device memory"..
May 26 17:10:50 <microlith> papo: the repositories are marked off by region
May 26 17:10:52 <joga> meh, quite confusing
May 26 17:11:06 <papo> microlith: oh ok
May 26 17:11:18 <marmoute> joga: it will download much more. Then upgrade. then remove download.
May 26 17:11:22 <Arkenoi> damn if i knew i will be forced to PC reflash anyways i'd installed leakware the first week it appeared
May 26 17:11:25 <marmoute> 20 more Mo will remain after that
May 26 17:11:30 <joga> marmoute: won't it download them to the flash card?
May 26 17:11:41 <marmoute> joga: how are you tring to upgrade ?
May 26 17:11:47 <joga> marmoute: from the app manager
May 26 17:12:34 <joga> I suppose it's possible even though it says it will use 113,1MB in the package view, and I don't think you have that much free rootfs even with a vanilla device?
May 26 17:13:13 * timeless_mbp files bug reports against a software platform using the n900 :o
May 26 17:13:57 <Aranel> is it ok to remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin ? they took 3.9 megabytes.
May 26 17:14:49 <zaheerm> TomaszD, push the decoders then the metapackage in v ery close succession
May 26 17:15:07 <Trizt> not enough space on rootfs when having 45.4MB free (4.2 more if purged some tempfiles)
May 26 17:15:26 <joga> hey, it started updating, complained about putting the charger in and told me to try again, but it didn't stop and just continued after I put it on charge and clicked the notification away
May 26 17:15:39 <joga> I wonder if it now did all the proper disk space checks etc ;P
May 26 17:15:54 * microlith boggles as he taps a mail notification and the mail window pops up faster than ever
May 26 17:15:55 <PhonicUK> i have 85MB free on rootfs since the update :)
May 26 17:15:56 <Arkenoi> Malfunction -- device shutdown in 10s
May 26 17:16:12 <PhonicUK> a lot of stuff is faster now
May 26 17:16:13 <tripzero> oh noes
May 26 17:16:16 <joga> Arkenoi :/
May 26 17:16:20 <tripzero> self destruct sequence initiated
May 26 17:16:28 * joga hoping for the best 
May 26 17:16:31 <PhonicUK> lol
May 26 17:16:37 <PhonicUK> reflash :p
May 26 17:16:49 <wazd> my update thru NSU took about 30 seconds or so
May 26 17:16:51 <joga> reflashing is wrong because it can be fixed! :p
May 26 17:17:01 <Trizt> anyone know how much free space you need before update?
May 26 17:17:04 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: hey, did my package finally update properly? :)
May 26 17:17:09 <PhonicUK> reflashing gets rid of loads of junk
May 26 17:17:13 <joga> Trizt: I just started the update with 45MB, but it's not done yet
May 26 17:17:16 <timeless_mbp> i think at least in .1 the package should work. i hope.
May 26 17:17:31 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; yes, it seemed to work now
May 26 17:17:31 * timeless_mbp hasn't deployed it officially yet, but will once Trizt confirms
May 26 17:17:35 <timeless_mbp> woohoo!
May 26 17:17:39 * timeless_mbp goes to flip the switch
May 26 17:17:46 <skynets> wtf
May 26 17:17:54 <skynets> turned off the phone 2 hours after updating
May 26 17:17:58 <skynets> it wont turn on anymore
May 26 17:18:11 <PhonicUK> battery flat?
May 26 17:18:12 <Arkenoi> so which file do i need?
May 26 17:18:13 <Trizt> at least I'm back on having your excelent translation instead of the default english and the buttons seems to be as they should
May 26 17:18:19 <joga> battery is the first thing I'd check
May 26 17:18:22 <skynets> battery full
May 26 17:18:41 <skynets> wow reseated battery twice and it works now
May 26 17:18:41 <PhonicUK> remove it, wait, put it back
May 26 17:18:43 <joga> skynets: does the led light up when you try?
May 26 17:18:44 <Trizt> joga; each time I try it says I have to flash instead of OTA
May 26 17:18:44 <joga> heh
May 26 17:18:50 <skynets> first time this happens
May 26 17:18:57 <Trizt> soon uninstalled everything
May 26 17:18:59 <joga> Trizt: how much free rootfs space do you have?
May 26 17:19:24 <joga> Trizt: yeah, I did that too, but most of it was optified I guess and took away a lot without getting much rootfs back
May 26 17:19:42 <a-saint> isn't there a way to increase the root space on N900
May 26 17:19:45 * GAN900 reads the MeeGo/N900 thread.
May 26 17:19:46 <fragment> Trizt: do you have gles1 libs or games installed?
May 26 17:20:09 <Trizt> joga; 45.4
May 26 17:20:13 <chadi> is anybody having a problem with qtirreco?
May 26 17:20:13 <joga> a-saint: there are of course ways, but I guess not all of them are something everyone agrees on
May 26 17:20:37 <joga> chadi: what sort you have?
May 26 17:20:39 <chadi> I can't download a remote
May 26 17:20:41 <Trizt> fragment; I think I now have just the default games  gles1 I don't know
May 26 17:20:51 <skynets> 1.2 is so buggy
May 26 17:20:56 <chadi> in the download remote section, i have nothing
May 26 17:21:09 <a-saint> joga can't install the new update because of root space
May 26 17:21:10 <skynets> its freezing right now
May 26 17:21:11 <joga> skynets: how?
May 26 17:21:14 <skynets> really slow
May 26 17:21:16 <skynets> lagging
May 26 17:21:16 <aquatix> hm, is there a known issue about the backup app on n900 not wanting to backup?
May 26 17:21:29 <aquatix> as in, stuck on 0%
May 26 17:21:31 <joga> skynets: if there's something more important going on than then gui, things will lag
May 26 17:21:35 <joga> *than the
May 26 17:21:43 <timeless_mbp> aquatix: i know of a case if you have symlink mazes
May 26 17:21:45 <timeless_mbp> beyond that, no
May 26 17:21:49 <joga> a dual core would help ;)
May 26 17:21:51 <aquatix> odd
May 26 17:21:57 <PhonicUK> aquatix, mine did that
May 26 17:22:05 <skynets> now screen is blank
May 26 17:22:06 <timeless_mbp> aquatix: you should be able to look at the backup app using sshd and the procfs
May 26 17:22:07 <aquatix> timeless_mbp: it's a default used install
May 26 17:22:07 <skynets> black
May 26 17:22:09 <timeless_mbp> or strace
May 26 17:22:09 <PhonicUK> jumped to 100 after a few mins
May 26 17:22:17 <timeless_mbp> aquatix: no evil stuff?
May 26 17:22:18 <aquatix> PhonicUK: oh
May 26 17:22:24 <skynets> still lagging
May 26 17:22:33 <aquatix> timeless_mbp: no, it's my girl's phone
May 26 17:22:33 <PhonicUK> just takes a while
May 26 17:22:39 <timeless_mbp> aquatix: i've done ~5 backups w/ pr12
May 26 17:22:39 <aquatix> nothing weird
May 26 17:22:44 <microlith> skynets: sounds like my device occasionally, back on PR1.1.1
May 26 17:22:46 <timeless_mbp> plus a couple of restores w/o noticing anything annoying
May 26 17:22:54 <timeless_mbp> the only annoying thing is that OTA disables BT
May 26 17:22:55 <joga> skynets: I like to have the cpu tray applet, then I can always see when something's going on and if there's a reason it's lagging
May 26 17:23:05 <aquatix> timeless_mbp: this is right before updating to 1.2
May 26 17:23:20 <timeless_mbp> aquatix: oh, um. i haven't used 1.1.1's backup in ages
May 26 17:23:21 <joga> lol
May 26 17:23:21 <a-saint> joga can't install the new update because of low root space
May 26 17:23:27 <joga> got "operation failed"
May 26 17:23:36 <timeless_mbp> but from memory they haven't been particularly active about fixing bugs :)
May 26 17:23:37 <joga> it downloaded it but didn't get to install
May 26 17:23:41 <Trizt> what was the command to purge pdkg not needed by dependencies?
May 26 17:23:58 <joga> Trizt: hehe...yeah.
May 26 17:24:15 <joga> Trizt: it would be deborphan to list them, but apt-get doesn't handle it without it
May 26 17:24:25 <DocScrutinizer51> GAN900: moo
May 26 17:24:26 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: apt-get autoremove ?
May 26 17:24:35 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, yo.
May 26 17:24:43 <a-saint> joga no didn't download it said no free space target destination
May 26 17:24:57 <ShadowJK> OTA disables BT?
May 26 17:24:58 <DocScrutinizer51> GAN900: you pinged me?
May 26 17:25:24 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, I poked Quim about the device queue
May 26 17:25:26 <joga> a-saint: yeah, but for me it did
May 26 17:25:28 <joga> hmm
May 26 17:25:32 <joga> it actually seems to be updating
May 26 17:25:35 <DocScrutinizer51> GAN900: nice
May 26 17:25:37 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; thanks
May 26 17:25:40 <joga> there's a progress bar going slowly
May 26 17:25:49 <chadi> joga: I get this: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8502&stc=1&d=1269885831
May 26 17:25:50 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: that's really sp 3000
May 26 17:25:55 <timeless_mbp> i'm just an audio irc proxy
May 26 17:25:56 <joga> but I wonder, what was that operation failed...oh, maybe it was when I pressed camkey
May 26 17:26:06 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, I'll let you know what something comes back.
May 26 17:26:06 <a-saint> joga i see the update can't download
May 26 17:26:26 <joga> a-saint: then I'm afraid you need to free up some space or reflash it if you want it fast
May 26 17:26:30 <johnsu01> hm I think I may be in a reboot loop here, maybe dist-upgrade wasn't so wise
May 26 17:26:35 <DocScrutinizer51> GAN900: thanks
May 26 17:27:01 <a-saint> joga i tried and freed some space but it wasn't enough
May 26 17:27:08 <DocScrutinizer51> GAN900: btw my excuse not to use 1.2 has changed now :)
May 26 17:27:12 <chadi> johnsu01: a lot of people were reporting problems with dist-upgrade
May 26 17:27:21 <joga> if I restore a backup, are my /home configuration files gone?
May 26 17:27:38 <joga> a-saint: yeah, then keep on doing it :)
May 26 17:27:40 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, I hear it may eat your children.
May 26 17:27:41 <a-saint> joga i got 47.9 free space in /
May 26 17:27:42 <johnsu01> chadi: yeah, it's rebooting right after it loads the desktop wallpaper
May 26 17:27:48 <joga> a-saint: I got less and it was enough
May 26 17:27:55 <DocScrutinizer51> GAN900: exactly
May 26 17:27:55 <joga> a-saint: try rebooting it and try again or somtehing
May 26 17:27:55 <a-saint> really
May 26 17:28:07 <joga> a-saint: *though* my update is not done yet, so hold on!
May 26 17:28:11 <joga> let's see if it works ;P
May 26 17:28:19 <a-saint> joga ok
May 26 17:28:20 <DocScrutinizer51> GAN900: and I got none to sacrifice
May 26 17:28:20 <joga> it's at about 20%
May 26 17:28:41 <a-saint> joga yeah it's a big update
May 26 17:28:58 <a-saint> joga but there must be a way to increase space
May 26 17:29:22 <DocScrutinizer51> GAN900: so I might wait until cat of the neighbour is enough to feed it
May 26 17:29:52 <chadi> johnsu01 but I have no idea and no experience to help you :) someone else might be able to help
May 26 17:30:55 <joga> a-saint: there are risks involved in radically reorganizing things from the way they are now, but there are some tips in the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
May 26 17:32:23 <a-saint> joga am trying to free all unused app lets see where it gets
May 26 17:32:29 <chadi> a-saint: be aware that using the script on that page may brick your device..
May 26 17:32:57 <a-saint> chadi thanks for the warnning
May 26 17:33:34 <chadi> a-saint: it happened to mine, that's why I'd like to warn people. it may not necessarily apply to you :)
May 26 17:33:51 <chadi> I don't like the fact that they used the word "safely"
May 26 17:34:23 <a-saint> chadi well i will try and not use any script
May 26 17:34:50 <chadi> heh, good luck
May 26 17:35:06 <a-saint> chadi thanks
May 26 17:36:15 <joga> at ~60%...
May 26 17:36:23 <a-saint> joga i got this link earlier
May 26 17:36:51 <joga> ok
May 26 17:37:52 <a-saint> joga worked according to it
May 26 17:38:07 <joga> this is almost done..
May 26 17:38:07 <a-saint> joga and still removing app lol
May 26 17:38:37 <joga> yeah I know, I got rid of everything big and most of the averages :)
May 26 17:39:09 <lcuk> a-saint, how much space have you got?  and have you already disabled -devel and -testing
May 26 17:39:22 <lcuk> space on / and also /home
May 26 17:39:28 <MohammadAG_> bah, meego is a raw file
May 26 17:39:36 <MohammadAG_> assuming it needs reflashing
May 26 17:39:56 <a-saint> lcuk yeah done the disable repos
May 26 17:40:00 <MohammadAG_> it took half an hour to reinstall my apps, i'm not wasting that time again
May 26 17:40:15 <joga> rebooting...
May 26 17:40:19 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, ?
May 26 17:40:32 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, meego.com
May 26 17:40:53 <lcuk> reinstall apps where on meego or back onto maemo
May 26 17:41:16 <MohammadAG_> maemo
May 26 17:41:30 <MohammadAG_> when i upgraded to PR1.2
May 26 17:42:02 <lcuk> from 1.1.9 or whatever you had :D
May 26 17:42:33 <blizzow> Anyone know how to start a video call with a gmail account?
May 26 17:43:35 <MaikB> My N900 performs much better since I upgraded to 1.2
May 26 17:43:41 <MaikB> I'm very happy so far
May 26 17:43:52 <MiXu-> I'm trying to upload my app to extras-devel but I get this error: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/dgscores_0.3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
May 26 17:43:57 <MiXu-> Any ideas what's wrong?
May 26 17:44:15 <joga> seems like the update worked, it's rebooted and now I have 68MB on rootfs (45MB when I started)
May 26 17:44:37 <a-saint> joga I will try and redownload again now
May 26 17:44:39 <X-Fade> MiXu-: Do you have the proper Build-Depends specified?
May 26 17:44:53 <E0x> MiXu-: qmake
May 26 17:44:54 <a-saint> joga congratulations :D
May 26 17:44:56 <E0x> is not found
May 26 17:45:00 <joga> a-saint, thx :)
May 26 17:45:10 <MiXu-> X-Fade: Hmm. Probably not.
May 26 17:45:29 <MiXu-> E0x: I can see that it's not found :D
May 26 17:45:37 <E0x> well , that is the problem
May 26 17:45:48 <E0x> you asking what is wrong
May 26 17:45:51 <E0x> that is wrong
May 26 17:46:10 <MohammadAG_> tmo down
May 26 17:46:12 <dmj726> reflashing doesn't remove all your documents and settings, does it?
May 26 17:46:12 <joga> the first improvement I see is that the "Update all" is no longer in the menu and instead a button above the updates
May 26 17:46:16 <MohammadAG_> back up
May 26 17:46:42 <MaikB> janyone here uses dgiatscene?
May 26 17:46:44 <FIQ> Wasn't texting in the menu going to start a search?
May 26 17:46:49 <FIQ> texting in menu does nothing for me
May 26 17:46:49 <microlith> hmm
May 26 17:46:51 <MaikB> *anyone
May 26 17:46:59 <microlith> that touchscreen click sound interacts badly with music playing
May 26 17:47:19 <a-saint> joga finger crossed for me hopefully it work I freed as much as i could and kept the good needed ones
May 26 17:47:35 <Arkenoi> btw did leakware updated to pr1.2 ota well?
May 26 17:47:36 <MaikB> its an youtube app and it always shows "This video has been removed", no matter which video i select and try to play
May 26 17:48:03 <E0x> what need happen for a package get promote to extra ?
May 26 17:48:26 <joga> MaikB: haven't tried that, but zoutube works pretty ok
May 26 17:48:33 <joga> it's quite simple though
May 26 17:48:59 <MaikB> joga, thx, trying that
May 26 17:49:48 <a-saint> joga backing up
May 26 17:51:13 <a-saint> joga and it's updating :D
May 26 17:51:43 <joga> a-saint: nice. hope it works
May 26 17:51:53 <odin_> here goes me and PR1.2 then
May 26 17:52:09 <a-saint> joga I believe it will now that it's updating
May 26 17:52:35 <joga> a-saint: that's what you'd expect, at least ;)
May 26 17:53:07 <a-saint> joga lets keep the spirit up
May 26 17:53:39 <Otacon22> is it possible to update my n900 from linux?
May 26 17:53:47 <Otacon22> it asks for nokia software updater app
May 26 17:54:15 <Aranel> damn, still need 16 mbyte more space to upgrade :/ Any rootfs-filler apps you know?
May 26 17:54:16 <lcuk> Otacon22, you can reflash from linux - after a backupflash/restore it will be cleaner anyway
May 26 17:54:40 <lcuk> Aranel, -devel -testing repository disable
May 26 17:55:33 <MaikB> joga, zoutube is slow...
May 26 17:55:35 <MaikB> meh
May 26 17:55:37 <Aranel> lcuk: already diabled.
May 26 17:55:44 <Aranel> s/diabled/disabled
May 26 17:56:18 <midas_> so
May 26 17:56:40 <MaikB> unusable
May 26 17:56:51 <joga> MaikB: yeah, but still more comfy to use than youtube in the browser, albeit slow
May 26 17:57:01 <joga> or, well, depends on drunkedness :)
May 26 17:57:08 <C-S-B> Otacon22, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux
May 26 17:57:17 <MaikB> I wonder how it can spend some much time on parsing some meta data
May 26 17:57:43 <C-S-B> so anything really wrong with this update?
May 26 17:57:56 <joga> where's vim??
May 26 17:57:56 <skynets> the phone is lagging so much i cant instaqll shit
May 26 17:58:06 <skynets> wtf
May 26 17:58:10 <lcuk> Aranel, how much space do you actually have now?   du -s /usr/share/*|sort -n
May 26 17:58:15 <C-S-B> also, for the record, you can force the architecture for 64bit linux users
May 26 17:58:18 <lcuk> also, du command for seeing specifics
May 26 17:59:21 <skynets> i just disabled the fucking wifi and it works ok now
May 26 17:59:28 <evilrob> does the app manager "restore applications" work well?
May 26 17:59:47 <Aranel> lcuk: lots of output. want me to paste?
May 26 17:59:53 <joga> hmm...oh, I still have vim, thought I got rid of it temporarily
May 26 18:00:20 <DrGrov> Finally PR 1.2 installed and settings back like they should
May 26 18:00:30 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, I was a bit too worked up there today, eh? ;)
May 26 18:01:33 <MaikB> chromium??
May 26 18:01:35 <dmj726> how much space is needed for pr 1.2?
May 26 18:01:38 <MaikB> When did this happen?
May 26 18:02:14 <joga> is there a video call testing service for skype? ;p
May 26 18:02:22 <timeless_mbp> joga: good question
May 26 18:02:23 <joga> some loopback thing
May 26 18:02:26 <DrGrov> Anyone else see something like a SMS icon or missed call icon when the screen is locked and something has happened?
May 26 18:02:35 <DrGrov> A missed event so to speak
May 26 18:02:45 <timeless_mbp> videoecho123
May 26 18:02:59 <joga> timeless_mbp: it is?
May 26 18:03:02 <DrGrov> Anyone else know if there is a way to get the old "virtual keyboard" of PR 1.1 back? I hate to take out the physical keyboard each freaking time I want to write a SMS
May 26 18:03:02 <Aranel> lcuk: http://pastebin.com/cXw6P9D1
May 26 18:03:45 <timeless_mbp> http://forum.skype.com/topic/54864-video-test-echo123-from-tapur/
May 26 18:03:47 <DrGrov> The new virtual keyboard of PR 1.2 is freaking disgusting and non working
May 26 18:03:49 <lcuk> Aranel, paste df result too please
May 26 18:04:05 <DrGrov> Can't even get big letters for some reason....
May 26 18:04:09 <DrGrov> Big disappointment it seems...
May 26 18:04:15 <timeless_mbp> DrGrov: you can't go back :)
May 26 18:04:25 <kamui> man, even flaming in the comments of bugzilla
May 26 18:04:26 <kamui> jesus
May 26 18:04:28 <timeless_mbp> DrGrov: what problems are you actually having w/ it?
May 26 18:04:32 <kamui> this community can certainly be unforgiving :-D
May 26 18:04:32 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, no problem.
May 26 18:04:37 <timeless_mbp> what do you mean by "big letters"?
May 26 18:04:40 <Aranel> lcuk: http://pastebin.com/mefdetnc
May 26 18:04:47 <timeless_mbp> there's a shift in the lower left corner for uppercase...
May 26 18:05:01 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, i am having the big problem of the virtual keyboard. i can't put a big A for ex. "A nice day today"
May 26 18:05:16 <DrGrov> A shift? I don't see no damn shift...
May 26 18:05:18 <GAN900> kamui, who could blame them, though?
May 26 18:05:19 <timeless_mbp> DrGrov: the up arrow in the bottom left isn't working?
May 26 18:05:41 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, been through the new browser bugs?
May 26 18:05:44 <joga> timeless_mbp: "Maintenance of videoecho123 was difficult technically, and I decided to finish this service" :/
May 26 18:05:50 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: i think so, depends
May 26 18:05:55 <GAN900> See ctrl-l is tied to that automatic focus setting now.
May 26 18:05:59 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, i tried to press the arrow in the bottom left but it just changes the letters for numbers and other signs....
May 26 18:06:08 * GAN900 wonders if that's a spec change or a regression.
May 26 18:06:17 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, so i need to keep it pressed in and then a for a big A?
May 26 18:06:34 <timeless_mbp> DrGrov: hrm
May 26 18:06:45 <timeless_mbp> there's an up arrow to the left of 'Z' in my English OSK
May 26 18:06:50 <timeless_mbp> is that not what you're pressing?
May 26 18:06:55 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: regression
May 26 18:07:01 <MaikB> well, chromium started and looked up the whole system
May 26 18:07:04 <MaikB> to bad
May 26 18:07:05 <timeless_mbp> we discovered it the day pr1.2 shipped
May 26 18:07:16 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, i have pressed that several times.
May 26 18:07:26 <microlith> hmm
May 26 18:07:28 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: the bigger problem is that the feature you're using doesn't persist across browser launches
May 26 18:07:31 <microlith> that is quite terrible
May 26 18:07:35 <timeless_mbp> which makes it hard for people to reliably use it
May 26 18:07:39 <microlith> no key touch indication
May 26 18:07:54 <timeless_mbp> sp3000 was only dogfooding defaults until recently hence the miss for him
May 26 18:07:55 <microlith> no obvious boundaries between keys, either
May 26 18:07:55 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, i will just use the physical keyboard. tomorrow i will test more. have too much stress atm to get into this persistent keyboard issue.
May 26 18:08:02 <timeless_mbp> i don't use ctrl-l myself
May 26 18:08:04 <DrGrov> yet again though some positive comments timeless_mbp
May 26 18:08:08 <joga> isn't there anymore skype availability icons for contacts?
May 26 18:08:26 <joga> or, any account or whatever the green dot thingy is
May 26 18:08:32 <timeless_mbp> DrGrov: so, the up arrow definitely works for me
May 26 18:08:41 <timeless_mbp> joga: it's still there
May 26 18:09:04 <joga> timeless_mbp: not seeing it :(
May 26 18:09:11 <joga> I'll try to relogin to the account..
May 26 18:09:15 <timeless_mbp> joga: stupid question… are you connected? :)
May 26 18:09:23 <joga> yes
May 26 18:09:24 <joga> :)
May 26 18:09:34 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, ok. you see upon boot that the both "dotted" lines tend to move from right to left simultaneously and not only left to right?
May 26 18:09:45 <lcuk> Aranel, which liqbase stuff have you got :D
May 26 18:09:51 <lcuk> tho it wont tip you off the top
May 26 18:09:51 <aquatix> hah, it finished backing up now
May 26 18:09:59 <timeless_mbp> aquatix: good to hear :)
May 26 18:10:01 <joga> timeless_mbp: ok now they came back when I set it to offline and available again
May 26 18:10:10 <aquatix> with a big leap from 0 to 100
May 26 18:10:14 <Aranel> lcuk: I dont even know anything about liqbase. what is it? :)
May 26 18:10:17 <aquatix> timeless_mbp: yeah :)
May 26 18:10:25 <lcuk> Aranel, its installed
May 26 18:10:28 <timeless_mbp> DrGrov: i don't pay much attn to the splash stuff
May 26 18:10:30 <lcuk> ell components may be
May 26 18:10:30 <ghostcube_maemo> hmmm 1.2 is cool
May 26 18:10:34 <timeless_mbp> other than my maemo splash video
May 26 18:10:34 <ghostcube_maemo> heh
May 26 18:10:39 <lcuk> its too small to be everything
May 26 18:11:20 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, ok :) no worries
May 26 18:11:22 <Aranel> lcuk: how to remove it? apt-get remove liqbase doesnt do the trick.
May 26 18:11:36 <joga> the front cam is really dark
May 26 18:11:37 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, i am now looking at a youtube video to see the conversations virtual keyboard.
May 26 18:11:50 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, trying to figure out whether something i have missed out on :)
May 26 18:11:53 <lcuk> Aranel, i dunno what you have installed, i just see the top level folder in your du report :P
May 26 18:12:19 <joga> the image quality seems a lot less grainy though!
May 26 18:12:27 <Aranel> lcuk: If I manage to remove it, how much free space I'll get?
May 26 18:12:32 <lcuk> go into HAM and read up the du report you shown me and remove things which match if you need so much space
May 26 18:12:32 <joga> it's just so dark and lacks contrast, maybe good in daylight
May 26 18:12:41 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, yes I see that arrow in the left corner. I will try my phone now to see if it really works. God admn!
May 26 18:12:45 <lcuk> well thats the general numbers on the left
May 26 18:13:10 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: can you reproduce bug 10313? i can't, even at http://www.google.fi/
May 26 18:13:11 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10313 Browser fullscreen virtual keyboard closes when turning from portrait to landscape
May 26 18:13:46 <timeless_mbp> joga: we have a night mode in camera now :)
May 26 18:14:36 <joga> and more resolutions
May 26 18:15:29 <MiXu-> X-Fade: It was simply build-deps issue. Thanks :)
May 26 18:15:31 <MiXu-> Works now.
May 26 18:15:41 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, reproduced first time on that page.
May 26 18:16:22 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: hrm...
May 26 18:16:38 <Aranel> lcuk: I think I didnt understand what to do :/ How can I know them if they match or not?
May 26 18:16:57 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, open site, go into portrait, tap text field, watching vkb open, move device into landscape, watch keyboard closes.
May 26 18:17:37 <lcuk> Aranel, http://pastebin.com/cXw6P9D1 this paste you put in
May 26 18:18:05 <lcuk> each line consists of a line number, folder size, folder name /usr/share/SOMETHING
May 26 18:18:08 <Aranel> lcuk: cant I send you the list of installed packages or something? I really don't have any idea how I did fill that much space. There was much more space a month ago :/
May 26 18:18:15 <lcuk> the sizes get bigger towards the bottom
May 26 18:18:28 <Aranel> lcuk: yes but they're system files, mostly?
May 26 18:18:37 <joga> hehe, can I somehow press backspace with the osk without using ctrl with it or hw keyb?
May 26 18:18:42 <Aranel> lcuk: like micro-b, locales, themes, icons, nokia maps..
May 26 18:18:57 <lcuk> so look up the list whilst you have app manager open and see hwat you can remove
May 26 18:19:16 <joga> or, well, ctrl doesn't work either since it opens a text input field where it acts and not the terminal
May 26 18:19:21 <lcuk> sure Aranel you cant wipe those im not asking you to, im just trying to help you find out whats taking up space
May 26 18:19:43 <DrGrov> timeless_mbp, my theme was blocking the arrow key and space key. LOL
May 26 18:19:49 <timeless_mbp> ....
May 26 18:19:53 <timeless_mbp> DrGrov: please file a bug
May 26 18:20:02 <lcuk> Aranel, looks like you just have a lot of smallish apps on
May 26 18:20:07 * DocScrutinizer wonders whether to call the coach and medic care, to prepare for meego meeting madness during the remaining 40 minutes
May 26 18:20:39 <Aranel> lcuk: can't I simply upgrade to PR1.2, without reflashing, or freeing up space? Like moving the apt cache?
May 26 18:20:40 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: ok, hit it
May 26 18:20:48 <Arkenoi> ..and qt does not start any faster
May 26 18:20:51 <timeless_mbp> i think that google is changing its page layout
May 26 18:21:14 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: can you reproduce w/ data:text/html,<input><textarea> ?
May 26 18:21:30 <DocScrutinizer> is there some confirmed figure now how much free rootspace 1.2 OTA will require?
May 26 18:21:38 <lcuk> Aranel, backup and reflash
May 26 18:21:43 <lcuk> and restore afterwards
May 26 18:21:50 <DocScrutinizer> moo lcuk
May 26 18:22:19 <lcuk> if you havent got the space and arent comfortable finding out how to make it/rectify issue the only thing left is reflash
May 26 18:22:24 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: no :)
May 26 18:22:25 <lcuk> hey DocScrutinizer
May 26 18:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: great. Thanks anyway :-D
May 26 18:23:02 <MaikB> is there something to use google's buzz ?
May 26 18:23:28 <Aranel> DocScrutinizer: heard that It needs 48 megabytes.
May 26 18:24:26 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: the browser works w/ buzz :)
May 26 18:24:27 <lcuk> thats about right Aranel
May 26 18:24:29 <timeless_mbp> dinner time.
May 26 18:24:32 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: sounds somewhat reasonable (though not exactly sane), as 1.1.1 required about same
May 26 18:24:33 * Trizt ended up with flashing, managde to f**k it up by removing packages
May 26 18:24:49 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, I know
May 26 18:25:14 <timeless_mbp> people often forget that
May 26 18:25:22 <FredrIQ> Can i compile things same way as on a computer on N900?
May 26 18:25:23 <Aranel> lcuk: If I just do rm -rf /usr/share/liqbase. How much space I'll gain?
May 26 18:25:24 <DocScrutinizer> somebody spanked crashanddie? :-P
May 26 18:25:27 <timeless_mbp> they paid for a good browser, got a good browser, and then forgot that it worked
May 26 18:25:33 <FredrIQ> and place it in the 2G partition
May 26 18:25:33 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, I thought about adding (which is not the browser) but assumed...
May 26 18:25:36 <MaikB> nevermind
May 26 18:25:46 <lcuk> about 680k
May 26 18:25:52 <lcuk> from the looks of df
May 26 18:25:54 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: i've been working on microb here @nokia for 4 years
May 26 18:26:12 <timeless_mbp> so it annoys me when people go looking for other solutions which tend to be inferior :)
May 26 18:26:16 <Aranel> lcuk: aww :( so I'll still need 17.4 megabytes to upgrade :P
May 26 18:26:21 <thresh> do you know the man who worked on ham?
May 26 18:26:21 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, it is IMHO _the_ feature of the N900
May 26 18:26:21 <thresh> oh
May 26 18:26:26 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, thank you!
May 26 18:26:30 <thresh> so we could kill him.
May 26 18:26:30 <lcuk> yes so its thousand papercuts
May 26 18:26:31 <johnsu01> will flashing the emmc image overwrite the backup I made before bricking?
May 26 18:26:42 <ghostcube_maemo> hmmm i cant get skype to do vid call grml
May 26 18:26:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~spank crashanddie s/ibot/happy bd/
May 26 18:26:43 <lcuk> really, save hassle and backup/flash
May 26 18:26:44 * infobot bends crashanddie s/ibot/happy bd/ over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on crashanddie s/ibot/happy bd/'s pasty white buttocks.
May 26 18:26:57 <lcuk> your system will be cleaner and you can tick select the apps to reinstall afterwards
May 26 18:27:12 <blizzow> anyone have trouble logging into AIM accounts?  I set up my client and click connect, it just continues to say "not signed in"
May 26 18:27:16 <FredrIQ> hmm
May 26 18:27:39 <Aranel> lcuk: I'd hate to reflash :/ I'm kind of.. weird, when it comes to reflashing, see: I've installed Ubuntu 7.04 like 3 yrs ago, now its 10.04 and I'm still using it. :)
May 26 18:27:45 <DocScrutinizer> johnsu01: depends on where you stored the backup, no?
May 26 18:27:58 <Aranel> lcuk: what about moving the whole microb-engine to opt, then symlink it?
May 26 18:28:02 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, but I don't think any general purpose browser can compete in terms of energy efficiency with an dedicated app for an low volume task like twitter or buzz.
May 26 18:28:08 <Aranel> lcuk: I can move it to same location after upgrade.
May 26 18:28:12 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, disagree?
May 26 18:28:19 <johnsu01> DocScrutinizer: Yes, and I think the answer to my question is yes, judging by the warning in bold at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 18:28:20 <lcuk> Aranel, dont
May 26 18:28:25 <lcuk> it will just cause more upsets
May 26 18:28:28 <DocScrutinizer> johnsu01: anyway flashing eMMC isn't considered mandatory for debricking
May 26 18:29:22 <joga> Aranel: how much space do you have free now?
May 26 18:29:26 <DrGrov> timeless, sorry what did you say?
May 26 18:29:30 <Aranel> joga: 32 megabytes.
May 26 18:29:37 <DocScrutinizer> the only real nasty pathological case would be some rogue content of ~user/
May 26 18:29:42 <joga> Aranel: 45 was enough for me to update
May 26 18:29:59 <Aranel> lcuk: It seems there's 100megabytes of data which APT doesnt know anything about.
May 26 18:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> as it seems there is no other way to clean/edit ~user/* than reflashing the *whole* eMMC
May 26 18:30:39 <Aranel> joga: hmm, so I need 13 more, but I can't find any app to remove, they just give me 50~100kb, nothing more.
May 26 18:30:40 <joga> I don't think the sizes reported by the app manager are even nearly accurate, if they're static, since programs share the libraries
May 26 18:30:44 <lcuk> Aranel, but then when the install occurs it does all sorts of things beyond your cleaning up
May 26 18:30:55 <joga> and I assume it includes the libraries in the estimate
May 26 18:31:05 <joga> (otherwise it wouldn't be very useful at all) :)
May 26 18:31:38 <dmj726> Aranel: what message does it give you?
May 26 18:31:52 <Aranel> dmj726: It says I have to use NSU to upgrade.
May 26 18:31:59 <dmj726> same here
May 26 18:32:05 <Aranel> dmj726: which I resist :P
May 26 18:32:15 <dmj726> I don't want to deal with that.
May 26 18:32:27 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: look into python libs
May 26 18:32:33 <Arkenoi> so qt still sucks and it likely *will* continue to suck :-(
May 26 18:32:34 <josephnexus> hi everyone!
May 26 18:32:37 <joga> hmm...what Attitude needs is the camera finder view to overlay the pitch meter on instead of the dull horizon
May 26 18:32:46 <josephnexus> i'm wanting to update to the latest version of maemo
May 26 18:32:47 <joga> would be even useful then :)
May 26 18:32:50 <josephnexus> but I don't have a windows machine
May 26 18:32:53 <josephnexus> how would I go about updating?
May 26 18:33:04 <Aranel> DocScrutinizer: where to look exactly?
May 26 18:33:12 <dmj726> ...how about a linux machine?
May 26 18:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> josephnexus: feel happy, windows is a virus
May 26 18:33:22 <josephnexus> i have a linux box
May 26 18:33:28 <josephnexus> but I thought we could update this over the air
May 26 18:33:32 <dmj726> you can flash with that
May 26 18:33:33 <DocScrutinizer> that's MUCH better
May 26 18:33:42 <dmj726> ...hopefully we can
May 26 18:33:45 <Aranel> lcuk: so it is normal thing to see that APT doesn't know about 100 megabytes of file?
May 26 18:33:48 <dmj726> some are having issues with ota
May 26 18:34:18 <josephnexus> so how do i do the update?
May 26 18:34:22 <Aranel> lcuk: I'm just suspicious about "unwanted files", maybe some package installed lots of things which APT is not even aware of.
May 26 18:34:32 <dmj726> go to update in the app manager
May 26 18:34:41 <josephnexus> and it will do it's thing?
May 26 18:34:53 <josephnexus> cuz it was telling me to have it plugged into a PC and update that way
May 26 18:34:56 <josephnexus> which isn't possible for me
May 26 18:34:58 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: no expert here. But I found python libs eating some 50MB of my rootspace a few months ago. Some package called python-optify or similar cured that
May 26 18:35:11 <dmj726> it will give a maemo 5 package in the update list
May 26 18:35:14 <MaikB> oops, I broke stackoverflow.com
May 26 18:35:17 <dmj726> tap that to install
May 26 18:35:21 <MaikB> I'm sorry
May 26 18:35:22 <MaikB> :P
May 26 18:35:44 <FredrIQ> qt4-qmake libqt4-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev liblua5.1-dev fpc - is everything available somewhere?
May 26 18:35:49 <josephnexus> since it is reflashing and such, is my data at risk?
May 26 18:35:49 <Aranel> DocScrutinizer: is it pymaemo-optify?
May 26 18:35:54 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: mount should show you a few python bindmounts, otherwise you have to get that optification
May 26 18:36:01 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: yes
May 26 18:36:17 <josephnexus> (i know you should always have a backup, this is more out of curiosity)
May 26 18:36:27 <Aranel> DocScrutinizer: It's already installed.
May 26 18:36:35 <DrGrov> anyone found any HD quality videos about PR 1.2?
May 26 18:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: sorry
May 26 18:37:22 <Arkenoi> the most disappointing part is qt
May 26 18:37:34 <Arkenoi> i did really hope qt application will start fast
May 26 18:37:51 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: anyway, regarding space freed by app deinstall - it's lieing as it doesn't count the dependencies
May 26 18:38:14 <Arkenoi> and modest
May 26 18:38:25 <Arkenoi> modest is still the same disaster
May 26 18:38:43 <Arkenoi> all numerous usability bug reports were ignored
May 26 18:39:24 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: app-a (100k) depends lib-x (10MB),  app-b (150k) depends lib-x (10MB), you never will see the 10MB freed figure that you get on deinstalling app-a AND app-b
May 26 18:39:32 <Shapeshifter> does modest now save sent mails on the imap server as well or is that  still missing?
May 26 18:39:49 <josephnexus> hmm
May 26 18:39:53 <josephnexus> my phone is telling me the following
May 26 18:40:12 <DrGrov> SMS in portrait mode?
May 26 18:40:19 <josephnexus> "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC. Connect the device to your pc via a USB cable and launch the application."
May 26 18:40:20 <RST38h> Arkenoi: At least there is hope it can now access POP3 accounts
May 26 18:40:21 <DrGrov> Haven't had the time to test yet....
May 26 18:40:27 <josephnexus> the only button I have is a "Create Backup" button
May 26 18:40:49 <Ikarus> josephnexus: it means your root filesystem is too full
May 26 18:41:00 <josephnexus> so uninstall some stuff?
May 26 18:41:10 <josephnexus> is there any way to have a larger root fs?
May 26 18:41:12 <RST38h> Arkenoi: but the upgrade process has been...mmmhmm...eventful
May 26 18:41:14 <DocScrutinizer> or conflicts stop the upgrade
May 26 18:41:20 <Ikarus> josephnexus: nope
May 26 18:41:32 <Ikarus> josephnexus: but you can clean it with some luck
May 26 18:41:36 <Aranel> there should be some other way to upgrade without reflashing, or  freeing up space.
May 26 18:41:50 <Ikarus> also don't try to use apt directly (to get a different package dir)
May 26 18:41:58 <Ikarus> my N900 ended up in a reboot loop that way
May 26 18:42:06 <josephnexus> i have only used the app manager
May 26 18:42:06 <Arkenoi> josephnexus, author of that diagnostic string deserves to get his shit beaten out of him
May 26 18:42:35 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: ack
May 26 18:42:41 <joga> josephnexus: do you have a network connection? :)
May 26 18:42:43 <Ikarus> Arkenoi: yes he does
May 26 18:42:48 <josephnexus> i am removing unused apps
May 26 18:43:00 <josephnexus> hopefully that will free up some space
May 26 18:43:04 <josephnexus> how much space do I need?
May 26 18:43:28 <Aranel> heard that you need 48, joga said that 45 megabytes is enough.
May 26 18:43:30 <xorAxAx> timeless: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218609/
May 26 18:43:45 <joga> I had 45.x MB when I started it
May 26 18:44:27 <Aranel> also I heard Brain Party conflicts with update. Is it true?
May 26 18:45:01 <Aranel> damn. removed Firefox. It didnt even give me 0.1 megabyte :/
May 26 18:45:44 <Scelt> because it's on emmc
May 26 18:45:53 <joga> btw...does firefox on maemo make its caches on rootfs?
May 26 18:45:58 <joga> or microb
May 26 18:46:07 <Scelt> Aranel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 18:46:09 <joga> I was thinking if clearing cache from the browsers would help
May 26 18:46:18 <joga> (or is it just memory cache?)
May 26 18:46:30 <Scelt> 12:09:14 < Surfa> Scelt, brain party removal helped
May 26 18:46:36 <Scelt> Aranel: 12:09:14 < Surfa> Scelt, brain party removal helped
May 26 18:47:30 <bennypr0fane> Hi, is it possible to make n900 show me a list of all installed applications that are from devel or testing repos? If yes, how do i do that?
May 26 18:48:04 <Aranel> removed brain party, didnt even free up 0.1 megabyte
May 26 18:48:15 <lcuk> Aranel, what are you testing freespace with?
May 26 18:48:47 <Aranel> lcuk: Free Rootfs widget from DECW
May 26 18:49:18 <josephnexus> conky is good to have
May 26 18:49:21 <lcuk> have you thought that perhaps the widget isnt refreshing?  open a terminal and check "df"
May 26 18:49:55 <Aranel> lcuk: did that too. 32.0 Available.
May 26 18:50:12 <Aranel> lcuk: and I'm sure it's refresing, because I manually refresh it.
May 26 18:50:24 <lcuk> what does your widget show then now
May 26 18:50:29 <lcuk> does it match with df
May 26 18:51:00 <josephnexus> df -h
May 26 18:51:03 <Aranel> lcuk: yes, it matches exactly as df. df says 32.0 Available, Free Rootfs: 32.0MB
May 26 18:51:05 <josephnexus> might be more useful
May 26 18:52:17 <Aranel> damn I'm uninstalling everything, but It still doesn't free up any reasonable space :/
May 26 18:54:01 <dmj726> heh...25.6 free on rootfs isn't enough, right?
May 26 18:54:03 <lcuk> sure Aranel DocScrutinizer told you why
May 26 18:54:05 <josephnexus> aranel, a flash might be in store for you
May 26 18:54:59 <plastun> my apps files installs to /opt/maemo/usr/,,,,/python2.5/site-packeges. So, import MODULENAME can't import module, because /opt/... path is not incuded to PYTHON_PATH. Hot to fixe this best?
May 26 18:55:11 <plastun> *how
May 26 18:55:11 <Aranel> lcuk: isnt it possible to remove a whole library? with all applications depend on it?
May 26 18:56:12 <lcuk> Aranel, its your device, you can remove what you like!  just expect to have to reflash if you get it wrong
May 26 18:56:19 <lcuk> its just like your 4 year old linux desktop
May 26 18:56:23 <DocScrutinizer51> make a backup, then uninstall 'all' apps, upgrade, restore apps from backup
May 26 18:56:38 <MohammadAG_> anyone on 1.1.1?
May 26 18:56:40 <MohammadAG_> :)
May 26 18:56:46 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer51, if hes doing that he would be easier just reflashing
May 26 18:57:03 <lcuk> infact, had he done that, he would be up and running again now
May 26 18:57:05 <Aranel> lcuk: I can boot my linux desktop with a live-cd. and It doesnt end up with reboot loops If some important app -like Xorg- crashes :)
May 26 18:57:05 <DocScrutinizer51> lcuk: not really
May 26 18:57:22 <frals> he, the new firmware update brought along a few fmms downloads... 9686 in a day :D
May 26 18:57:31 <josephnexus> fmms?
May 26 18:57:34 <josephnexus> what's that?
May 26 18:57:39 <MohammadAG_> Aranel, kill the watchdog with a shotgun
May 26 18:57:51 <frals> fMMS, application for sending/receiving MMS
May 26 18:57:52 <lcuk> that doesnt help moh
May 26 18:58:00 <MohammadAG_> not with Xorg
May 26 18:58:08 <MohammadAG_> but the rest, yes
May 26 18:58:14 <bennypr0fane> hey frals, is that you, the guy who made fmms?
May 26 18:58:20 <MohammadAG_> I killed hildon-desktop using killall -sigstop and it stayed dead
May 26 18:58:24 <frals> that be me
May 26 18:58:33 <bennypr0fane> you're awesome, man
May 26 18:58:43 <BCMM> frals: ^
May 26 18:58:48 * MohammadAG_ points to the Donate button on frals' blog
May 26 18:58:57 <lcuk> :D heh frals is blushing now!
May 26 18:59:04 <Aranel> I wonder why reflashing is always preferred. I hated it on Symbian too :/
May 26 18:59:06 <frals> well thank you :) this community is awesome, wouldnt have done it by myself
May 26 18:59:13 * MohammadAG_ suggests using trouts as a currency
May 26 18:59:20 <bennypr0fane> :-)
May 26 18:59:20 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 26 18:59:22 <BCMM> (although i'm not yet sure if i know anybody else with an MMS phone...)
May 26 18:59:38 <lcuk> Aranel, because its SIMPLER and gets the job done
May 26 18:59:39 <bennypr0fane> thanks a lot!
May 26 18:59:56 <BCMM> MohammadAG_: IIRC, trout handle international shipping just fine
May 26 18:59:56 <lcuk> if you are comfortable tho please continue, i however have to make some tea and put some packages in the oven
May 26 19:00:39 <bennypr0fane> trouts are quite tasty indeed
May 26 19:00:57 <DrGrov> MohammadAG, it worked out wonderfully the update to 1.2 :) Sorry for being a bit overreacting there earlier
May 26 19:01:15 <frals> lcuk: you are suppose to upload packages to the repos, not put them in the oven!
May 26 19:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> DrGrov: seems you're the lucky ONE
May 26 19:01:35 <MohammadAG_> DrGrov, oh it worked? damn
May 26 19:01:52 <bennypr0fane> has anyone read my earlier question?
May 26 19:02:11 <bennypr0fane> i''d like to install pr 1.2, but need to make room first
May 26 19:02:14 * anonuk somehow got maemo to boot again but now all the colors and fonts are wrong (unhildonized)
May 26 19:02:46 <bennypr0fane> i'd like to do it by removing most of the apps from devel and testing
May 26 19:02:49 <ag0ny> Just updated to PR1.2. What happend to the search function in the program manager?
May 26 19:03:15 <lcuk> ag0ny, just type
May 26 19:03:16 <bennypr0fane> ag0ny you just type what yu're looking for
May 26 19:03:18 <lcuk> on the main list
May 26 19:03:21 <an0therb0x> help please can someone please direct me to instructions on how to "re-flash" my n900 ... i did something wrong installing the 1.2 firmware
May 26 19:03:28 <bennypr0fane> like in contacts
May 26 19:03:32 <Bluewind> ~flash
May 26 19:03:33 <infobot> methinks flash is the same as ~flashing
May 26 19:03:37 <Bluewind> ~flashing
May 26 19:03:39 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 19:03:45 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer51, still on 1.1.1?
May 26 19:03:54 <ag0ny> lcuk, bennypr0fane: thanks
May 26 19:03:56 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 26 19:04:07 <MohammadAG_> Can you check which version of hildon-desktop is installed?
May 26 19:04:21 <DocScrutinizer> tell me what you want me to do
May 26 19:04:21 * pupnik is running a partially updated system :)
May 26 19:04:23 <MohammadAG_> I hate the face that kinetic scrolling was partially killed, so I'm comparing sources
May 26 19:04:28 <MohammadAG_> dpkg -l hildon-desktop
May 26 19:04:35 <DocScrutinizer> k, mompls
May 26 19:04:56 <MohammadAG_> remember, -l, not -r, we don't want you to go into a boot loop :P
May 26 19:05:07 <ag0ny> Just typing does not work? Do I just start typing in the download section?
May 26 19:05:07 <DocScrutinizer> ii  hildon-desktop            1:2.2.120-4+0m5           Hildon desktop for Fremantle
May 26 19:05:10 <pupnik> ii  hildon-desktop 1:2.2.138-1+0m Hildon desktop for Fremantle
May 26 19:05:12 <MohammadAG_> Thanks :)
May 26 19:05:26 <MohammadAG_> pupnik, that's 1.2 right?
May 26 19:05:44 <pupnik> i guess.  i havent rebooted into upgrade hell yet
May 26 19:06:29 <pupnik> was hoping to fix the upgrade with proper 1.2 metapackage
May 26 19:06:50 <an0therb0x> anybody else have the infinite loop issue ?
May 26 19:06:51 <pupnik> what is the right thing to install for ota upgrade?
May 26 19:07:01 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: no, flash is <reply>see flashing
May 26 19:07:02 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
May 26 19:07:04 <pupnik> i probably will if i reboot now
May 26 19:07:21 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
May 26 19:07:22 <infobot> flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 26 19:08:44 <Aranel> /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive can somebody explain that why I need this?
May 26 19:09:02 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: flash is also a plugin eating your left leg
May 26 19:09:03 * infobot starts a firmware update on is also a plugin eating your left leg, then pulls the plug halfway through
May 26 19:09:03 <Aranel> It's one of "List of big and rarely used files" and 28 megabytes of data.
May 26 19:09:50 <frals> wow crash reporter... "14 stored reports" and only button i can activate is "Select all", cant send/delete or deselect any of them \o/
May 26 19:10:36 <lcuk> frals, select all, delete
May 26 19:10:47 <lcuk> you cant send/delete until you have selected what
May 26 19:11:00 <frals> i had all selected, but delete was still "disabled"
May 26 19:11:06 <frals> but it worked clicking it anyway \o/
May 26 19:11:29 <frals> i think my phone is fubar thou, might need a reboot
May 26 19:11:35 <Arkenoi> well, just about 10mb more with pr1.2 than with moveroot.sh script
May 26 19:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash <self>
May 26 19:11:37 * infobot starts a firmware update on <self>, then pulls the plug halfway through
May 26 19:11:44 <anonuk> an0therb0x: i had infinite reboot issue
May 26 19:11:53 <frals> whenever i scroll desktop it scrolls half of it then stops animation, and wont update until i tap on it
May 26 19:12:06 * DocScrutinizer thinks infobot has done that before
May 26 19:12:27 <josephnexus> what's the best way to free up things from my rootfs?
May 26 19:12:31 <DocScrutinizer> probably doing that every day
May 26 19:12:45 <bennypr0fane> some of the themes for n900 are supposed to slow down the device. Would that be from the moment i install them them or only if i actually use them?
May 26 19:12:48 <an0therb0x> anonuk:  how did you fix it ?
May 26 19:12:49 <Gadgetoid_iMac> Weird, the search option seems to have taken a leave of absence from HAM
May 26 19:12:57 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, since you're a C expert, do you know what this means?
May 26 19:12:58 <MohammadAG_>    if (priv->transition)
May 26 19:12:58 <MohammadAG_> -    priv->transition = (g_object_unref(priv->transition), NULL);
May 26 19:12:58 <MohammadAG_> +    hd_launcher_page_transition_stop (HD_LAUNCHER_PAGE (gobject));
May 26 19:13:08 <frals> so err
May 26 19:13:09 <frals> [91847.421813] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered
May 26 19:13:14 <frals> getting this every second in dmesg, good/bad?
May 26 19:13:19 <MohammadAG_> bad?
May 26 19:13:31 <anonuk> an0therb0x: long long story... i had a boot menu installed already so i could boot to mer... got a firmware copy, and completed the apt-get upgrade / reinstalled packages inside mer
May 26 19:13:48 <anonuk> an0therb0x: but my maemo is still broken, everything is grey and pink
May 26 19:14:03 <anonuk> an0therb0x: no idea how to fix that and the fonts are tiny
May 26 19:14:37 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, yeah - the call which originally was just a gobject unref was replaced by a specific function method to cleanly stop the transition - by the looks of it
May 26 19:14:38 <bennypr0fane> "josephnexus  what's the best way to free up things from my rootfs?" that is actually the question i probably should have asked in the first place
May 26 19:14:55 <josephnexus> any good answer?
May 26 19:14:56 <an0therb0x> anonuk:  sounds like i am going to have to send it back to nokia ... that sucks
May 26 19:14:57 <lcuk> so dig into the hd_launcher_page_transition_stop method and see what it does
May 26 19:15:03 <lcuk> frals, :O
May 26 19:15:06 <frals> any ideas how to debug it?
May 26 19:15:13 <anonuk> can anyone give me a pointer how to get my maemo hildonized again? im getting everything in grey and unhildonized after upgrading
May 26 19:15:18 <frals> needless to say, the display is pretty fubar
May 26 19:16:04 <josephnexus> i've got 43.77 available, need to free up a smidgen more
May 26 19:16:22 <josephnexus> any ideas?
May 26 19:16:58 <josephnexus> yay for the wiki
May 26 19:17:02 <FIQ> too long topic
May 26 19:17:04 <Ikarus> PR 1.2 is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin right ?
May 26 19:17:18 <frals> lcuk: any ideas or should i just reboot and pray? ;)
May 26 19:17:19 <bennypr0fane> josephnexus for the last update, i uninstalled some apps from devel and rebooted
May 26 19:17:33 <bennypr0fane> the worked nicely
May 26 19:17:47 <lcuk> frals, was this during the upgrade? or had you already done that earlier
May 26 19:17:50 <lcuk> and yes reboot
May 26 19:17:52 * josephnexus doesn't have any devel apps
May 26 19:17:57 <lcuk> theres not much more you can do
May 26 19:17:59 <frals> tis was after phone rebooted after upgrading
May 26 19:18:19 <josephnexus> i'm suspecting an apt-get clean will do the trick
May 26 19:18:22 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, so changing it back should stop the transition from being stopped?
May 26 19:18:23 <josephnexus> how do I switch to root?
May 26 19:18:27 <frals> ok shutting down, was just curious if i could debug it in anyway :)
May 26 19:18:29 <DocScrutinizer> root
May 26 19:18:36 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, you have to ask why it was changed
May 26 19:18:44 <lcuk> gimme the gitorious commit url
May 26 19:18:50 <bennypr0fane> josephnexus sudo gainroot
May 26 19:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> josephnexus: though you need to install rootsh first
May 26 19:18:54 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, PR1.2 doesn't scroll through the menu as quick as 1.1.1 for some reason
May 26 19:19:01 <josephnexus> it says
May 26 19:19:05 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, I used apt-get source hildon-desktop=version
May 26 19:19:07 <josephnexus> Enable RD mode if you want to break your device
May 26 19:19:17 <MohammadAG_> install rootsh
May 26 19:19:18 <DocScrutinizer> bennypr0fane: that's quite obsolete, 'root' will do
May 26 19:19:30 <bennypr0fane> oh, good to know
May 26 19:20:24 <anonuk> if my maemo (1.2) doesnt look hildonized, which packages should i try to reinstall?
May 26 19:20:40 <Ikarus> anonuk: try reselectiny your theme
May 26 19:21:07 <josephnexus> i have 45 mb free now
May 26 19:21:07 <DrGrov> Kind of like using themes from D-Iivil which are not PR 1.2 compatible
May 26 19:21:16 <DrGrov> Kind of nice having a few buttons missing here and there :)
May 26 19:21:22 <anonuk> Ikarus: problem is that control panel doesnt have real names for things only pers_ti_personalization and names like that.. is there a manual way?
May 26 19:21:25 <johnsq> Hi
May 26 19:21:55 <anonuk> Ikarus: half upgraded i guess some bits are missing....
May 26 19:22:22 <Ikarus> anonuk: I guess you'll have to reflash to be sure to catch everything
May 26 19:22:32 <anonuk> Ikarus: cant reflash, no usb port
May 26 19:22:33 <bennypr0fane> DrGrov all the d-themes don't work with pr 1.2?
May 26 19:22:41 <anonuk> Ikarus: or id have flashed it already
May 26 19:22:54 <LiraNuna> is PR1.2 OTA for US released?
May 26 19:23:20 <DrGrov> bennypr0fane, they work but they have something missing like ex. the virtual keyboard the Shift arrow besides z on the left side
May 26 19:24:09 <blizzow> Anyone seeing network errors with MSN and Yahoo IM connections?
May 26 19:24:28 <blizzow> I wish I could see more error message than that.
May 26 19:24:33 <Ikarus> right, restoring backups
May 26 19:24:35 <Ikarus> let's see if that works
May 26 19:25:50 <Ikarus> backup application == dumb
May 26 19:25:55 <Ikarus> tells me files conflict
May 26 19:25:59 <Ikarus> without telling me the name
May 26 19:26:09 <Ikarus> and only offering the options rename and no
May 26 19:26:21 <Gadgetoid_iMac> Sheesh, I'm getting spammed with calls from dodgy numbers... need a default-deny call blocking script methinks
May 26 19:27:22 <Ikarus> I can't see which files conflict, etc
May 26 19:28:11 <anonuk> anyone know which packages the original background image and other images like the start button etc are? my n900 starts but has images missing all over the OS
May 26 19:29:50 <Ikarus> anyone know what happens if you hit rename ?
May 26 19:29:56 <Ikarus> ie, how can I find the renamed files
May 26 19:31:28 <josephnexus> i'm doing all I can to free up space
May 26 19:31:34 <josephnexus> and rootfs is only at 44.1 available
May 26 19:31:42 <Arkenoi> oops. ussd widget is now broken - pr1.2 intercepts ussd responses. that sucks!
May 26 19:31:44 <pupnik> need an irc plugin for sharing from camera
May 26 19:32:22 <Ikarus> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7265 that is :(
May 26 19:32:23 <povbot`> Bug 7265: Backup/Restore Version Conflict dialog needs to be more verbose
May 26 19:33:33 <josephnexus> yay, up to 44.2
May 26 19:34:54 <josephnexus> how hard is it just to reflash the device from linux?
May 26 19:35:21 <odin_> depends if you have a USB cable :)
May 26 19:35:24 <Ikarus> josephnexus: easy :)
May 26 19:35:32 <josephnexus> i have the USB cable
May 26 19:35:41 <josephnexus> that's usually how I charge it
May 26 19:36:12 <E0x> meego 1.0 release
May 26 19:38:24 <chadi> Guys. I was playing a movie; I paused for one minute, then clicked pause again, it stopped and said media file not supported. now it doesn't restart and no other video can play. What happened?
May 26 19:39:15 <chadi> That's PR 1.2. Add this to the buglist
May 26 19:39:19 <chadi> :/
May 26 19:39:20 <chupy35> hello, does someone now how to update to the pr 1.2 over the air?
May 26 19:39:38 <josephnexus> the same way you install anything
May 26 19:39:45 <josephnexus> if it says something otherwise, you don't have enough space in rootfs
May 26 19:40:13 <chupy35> how can i make more space on rootfs¡
May 26 19:40:14 <chupy35> ?
May 26 19:40:18 <thresh> rm -rf /
May 26 19:40:22 <Ikarus> ...
May 26 19:40:22 <thresh> sorry
May 26 19:40:31 * Ikarus thwaps thresh 
May 26 19:40:43 <chupy35> i am not so stupid
May 26 19:40:46 <josephnexus> thresh, not everyone understands that's a job=ke
May 26 19:41:00 <thresh> sorry #2
May 26 19:41:13 <chupy35> i understand it luckily :)
May 26 19:41:18 <josephnexus> i order 10,000 floggings with a wet noodle!
May 26 19:41:34 <Rabidus> how much space that needs 'bout @ rootfs
May 26 19:41:44 <josephnexus> some say 45
May 26 19:41:48 <josephnexus> some say 48
May 26 19:41:50 <josephnexus> mb
May 26 19:42:08 * MohammadAG_ votes for a #maemo-flashing/#maemo-pr12 channel
May 26 19:42:21 * josephnexus votes to end all voting.
May 26 19:42:26 * SpeedEvil flashes the channel.
May 26 19:43:10 <red> Is there any way to force teh tracker to ignore certain folders?
May 26 19:43:24 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 26 19:43:26 <red> I don't want my podcasts to appear in the music player since I use gpodder + mplayer to view em
May 26 19:43:35 <SpeedEvil> vi ~/.config/tracker/tracker.conf
May 26 19:43:48 <SpeedEvil> I've got it ignoring /home/user/data
May 26 19:44:21 <Rabidus> i have 56Mb free, and can't update from application manager
May 26 19:44:49 <johnsu01> hm, well, got the update flashed on, but now browser won't start...
May 26 19:44:53 <johnsu01> or rather, starts and dies
May 26 19:46:25 <chupy35> i have 711.3 mb for applications and i cant install PR 1.2 over the air
May 26 19:46:25 <josephnexus> you have enough space (mine just start with about 48MB) you must have some conflicting software installed
May 26 19:47:20 <marex> hi, makes me curious, can I just apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade the PR1.2 into my N900 ?
May 26 19:47:32 <marex> the built-in app manager tells me to install over PC
May 26 19:47:43 <josephnexus> marex, it lies
May 26 19:48:14 <chupy35> the app manager tells me the same and i have 713 mb free for install apps
May 26 19:48:24 <lcuk> chupy35, its rootfs space you need
May 26 19:48:28 <josephnexus> open up the terminal
May 26 19:48:30 <marex> josephnexus, so dist-upgrade is fine ?
May 26 19:48:32 <josephnexus> and run
May 26 19:48:34 <josephnexus> df -h /
May 26 19:48:35 <lcuk> which i can say for certain is not 713mb
May 26 19:48:35 <marex> df -h
May 26 19:48:38 * lcuk wishes it was
May 26 19:48:47 <josephnexus> that will tell you how much space is available in the applicable partition
May 26 19:49:19 <marex> josephnexus, I moved the apt-cache, that's fine ... but it won't screw up the system, right ?
May 26 19:49:19 <Rabidus> i have 56mb and can't install with application manager :(
May 26 19:49:37 * josephnexus wouldn't suggest changing core settings
May 26 19:49:40 <red> Rabidus: have you disabled the testing and devel repositories?
May 26 19:49:46 <josephnexus> rabidus, you may have a conflicting app installed
May 26 19:49:52 <red> try setting them to disabled + rebooting
May 26 19:49:56 <red> should free up some space
May 26 19:49:59 <Rabidus> ok, i'll try
May 26 19:50:04 <mintux> do we have vlc for maemo ? not play stream it can be install on n900 . I would like to see my move with put subtitle on bottom of it
May 26 19:50:17 <red> mintux: its not finished
May 26 19:50:24 <mintux> hmm
May 26 19:50:24 <red> but there are source files somewhere
May 26 19:50:29 <red> they are working on it
May 26 19:50:39 <red> so if u can compile yourself u can give the unfinished one a go
May 26 19:51:22 <mintux> kmplayer support subtitle ? I can put subtitle with mplayer but problem is I can stop moviye or pause or forward an backward
May 26 19:51:22 <marex> josephnexus, what core settings ... the app manager that's in maemo should be built on top of apt ... so tell me, will dist-upgrade screw the thing ?
May 26 19:51:27 <chupy35> how can i free space on rootfs?
May 26 19:51:50 <Thomas_Zahreddin> hi, i have a vanilla N810 and the volume is so low - any solution for this?  (system and app volume is to the max - still to low)
May 26 19:52:08 <lcuk> clean your ears out
May 26 19:52:37 <ioeee> 80,6mb :D
May 26 19:52:38 <lcuk> Thomas_Zahreddin, also, too low at what point, in a specific app, with a specific media file?
May 26 19:52:39 <C-S-B> with the patches in the titan kernel, can I assume that except injection, aircrack works?
May 26 19:53:46 <Arkenoi> so we can rearrange application icon positions now, but there are no folders? that sucks, i'm going back to mymenu -- does it work with pr1.2?
May 26 19:53:55 <Rabidus> still application manager whines about pc connection.. :(
May 26 19:53:55 <thresh> yes it does
May 26 19:54:00 <mintux> I plu my n900 to pc but it doesn't mount kust see the icons
May 26 19:54:02 <Thomas_Zahreddin>  lcuk: ;-) did this without any luck, any app (mplayer, …) any audio file (used different - but did not use mp3gain - what i will definititly) - any other ideas?
May 26 19:54:10 <Rabidus> removed unnecessary cataloques and booted
May 26 19:54:53 <lcuk> Rabidus, its not whinging, backup,reflash,restore.
May 26 19:55:12 <Rabidus> cable is missing, that's why i'm whining :)
May 26 19:55:14 <lcuk> or have a go at clearing space, but read the topic first it has ideas
May 26 19:55:40 <Corsac> grmbl, seems that transfering pcap files makes the wlan0 freezes
May 26 19:55:44 <josephnexus> Rabidus, visit me here in southeast idaho, united states, I'll lend you my cable
May 26 19:55:47 <josephnexus> :-p
May 26 19:56:58 <mintux> it says device storage  in use . but I don't use any file of storage
May 26 19:57:09 <Rabidus> ok.. it's about... too far away :)
May 26 19:57:15 <Rabidus> nearly other side of world
May 26 19:57:39 <mintux> how can I know what app is using storage
May 26 19:57:39 <slonopotamus> mintux: who cares what you use... you device uses it!
May 26 19:57:54 <ruskie> hmm interesting... they added a fsck for home
May 26 19:58:18 <slonopotamus> mintux: lsof. no idea if it is available in maemo
May 26 19:58:25 <Macer> haha
May 26 19:58:38 <marex> Rabidus, europe ?
May 26 19:58:45 <Rabidus> yeah, finland
May 26 19:58:47 <Macer> uhm
May 26 19:59:02 <marex> Rabidus, try console -- sudo gainroot ... apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
May 26 19:59:03 <Macer> whats with the maemo update needing a windows pc?
May 26 19:59:08 <Macer> :)
May 26 19:59:14 <ruskie> Macer, it doesn't
May 26 19:59:32 <Macer> ruskie: it keeps telling me it does in app manager
May 26 19:59:41 <josephnexus> macer, it lies
May 26 19:59:50 <ruskie> could also probably use flasher
May 26 19:59:57 <marex> heck ... can I do that dist-upgrade or will it fsck it up ?
May 26 20:00:04 <microlith> dist-upgrade is probably a bad idea
May 26 20:00:05 <ruskie> marex, depends
May 26 20:00:14 <ruskie> for me it fscked up
May 26 20:00:14 <Rabidus> what :O
May 26 20:00:15 <slonopotamus> Macer: and... it doesn't suggest to download a windows pc?
May 26 20:00:20 <xorAxAx> hmmm, which reasons are known why OTA for PR 1.2 fails?
May 26 20:00:28 <marex> ruskie, in what way ?
May 26 20:00:30 <xorAxAx> i have 53 MB free
May 26 20:00:31 <ruskie> I'm currently cleaning up the stuff I don't need
May 26 20:00:36 <thresh> xorAxAx: nokia is the main reason
May 26 20:00:39 <ruskie> marex, I had customizations
May 26 20:00:43 <Rabidus> "you dont have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives
May 26 20:00:48 <xorAxAx> thresh: yes, that as well
May 26 20:00:53 <ruskie> though frankly it shouldn't happen sadly
May 26 20:00:56 <microlith> xorAxAx: made any modification to the filesystem layout, full eMMC
May 26 20:00:59 <marex> ruskie, I only have stuff from the official feeds and extra
May 26 20:01:04 <xorAxAx> microlith: yes, i did
May 26 20:01:07 <marex> ruskie, was it recoverable ?
May 26 20:01:16 <microlith> xorAxAx: what'd you do?
May 26 20:01:18 <ruskie> marex, not for me... went into a reboot cycle
May 26 20:01:19 <Arkenoi> barriosqare does not install anymore -- python2.5-qt4-gui conflict
May 26 20:01:22 <xorAxAx> microlith: the ruskie script
May 26 20:01:23 <ruskie> had to reflash
May 26 20:01:29 <microlith> moved stuff off rootfs?
May 26 20:01:37 <xorAxAx> microlith: yes
May 26 20:01:46 <pupnik_> can we fix a 1.2 apt-get upgrade?
May 26 20:01:47 <microlith> yeah, the upgrade process won't like that at all
May 26 20:01:47 <ruskie> xorAxAx, different changes for 1.2
May 26 20:01:58 <ruskie> and apparently some other stuff as well
May 26 20:02:00 <xorAxAx> ruskie: well, the OTA doesnt want to run
May 26 20:02:04 <marex> ruskie, that can be done over the usual cable supplied with N900, right ...
May 26 20:02:10 <ruskie> marex, yup
May 26 20:02:10 <xorAxAx> ruskie: it instructs me to use the flasher
May 26 20:02:18 <marex> ruskie, so no risk of bricking the device ?
May 26 20:02:21 <microlith> if you've made changes to your rootfs, yes, use the flasher
May 26 20:02:21 <ruskie> xorAxAx, well I used apt-get dist-upgrade
May 26 20:02:36 <pupnik_> any luck with that ruskie
May 26 20:02:43 <ruskie> pupnik_, it crapped for some reason
May 26 20:02:50 <xorAxAx> ruskie: that activated the watchdogs because an optify-runonce program killed stuff
May 26 20:02:52 <mintux> is it possible to select text in pdf reader?
May 26 20:02:59 <arachnist> i updated with the "gui"
May 26 20:03:03 <ruskie> for some reason the device started rebooting
May 26 20:03:12 <pupnik_> here i kept deleting stuff and resuming install
May 26 20:03:32 <ruskie> ehh I just reflashed rootfs and am currently purging all the crap on my removelist
May 26 20:03:32 <xorAxAx> ruskie: so dist-upgrade isnt safe?
May 26 20:03:38 <ruskie> xorAxAx, apparently not
May 26 20:03:43 <microlith> I do like that my rootfs now has more than 50% free
May 26 20:03:54 <ruskie> I'd really like for dist-upgrade to actually work
May 26 20:04:00 <pupnik_> same
May 26 20:04:04 <ruskie> but I'm amazed that there's a fsck for /home now
May 26 20:04:25 <ruskie> though apparently it'll only get run on massive failures
May 26 20:04:31 <ruskie> i.e. fs mounted as ro
May 26 20:04:42 <marex> ruskie, what modifications have you had ?
May 26 20:05:13 <ruskie> marex, init script changes... emmc is spread out to: /home /home/user/MyDocs /opt and swap
May 26 20:05:27 * RST38h moos evilly
May 26 20:06:01 * pupnik_ decides to avoid reboot for a few weeks
May 26 20:07:16 <marex> ruskie, so you changed fstab
May 26 20:07:17 <marex> ?
May 26 20:07:20 <ruskie> marex, yup
May 26 20:07:30 <ruskie> marex, you can see most of the changes on User:Ruskie wiki page
May 26 20:07:31 <marex> ruskie, wasn't that the case why it crapped /
May 26 20:07:33 <marex> ?
May 26 20:07:40 <ruskie> marex, it shouldn't
May 26 20:07:45 * josephnexus needs faster internet
May 26 20:07:51 <josephnexus> on have 1.5mbps here
May 26 20:07:57 <josephnexus> er... only have
May 26 20:08:02 <ruskie> marex, it should stop the update and allow me to diff changes and select which ones I want
May 26 20:08:04 <lbt> My OTA worked fine with 41.5Mb free .... just FYI
May 26 20:08:05 <marex> josephnexus, 10gbps here :b
May 26 20:08:12 <ruskie> you know... like normal distros
May 26 20:08:19 <josephnexus> marex, share the wealth dude
May 26 20:08:21 <marex> ruskie, like normal dpkg ... yea
May 26 20:08:21 <josephnexus> :-p
May 26 20:08:26 <josephnexus> ur sucking up all of the internets
May 26 20:08:29 <josephnexus> :-P
May 26 20:08:30 * frals throws a whale in MohammadAGs general direction
May 26 20:08:38 <ruskie> marex, sadly in my case something triggered a reboot before that happened
May 26 20:08:43 <ruskie> and crap ensued
May 26 20:08:47 <marex> josephnexus, don't worry, that's only on the server in the basement
May 26 20:08:53 <ruskie> UPDATES SHOULD NEVER TRIGGER REBOOTS
May 26 20:09:01 <marex> oh jeez
May 26 20:09:18 <marex> what the heck :-/
May 26 20:09:19 <ruskie> atleast not without user permission
May 26 20:09:27 <marex> ruskie, right
May 26 20:09:48 <Rabidus> hey, is it safe to link a cache to somewhere else?
May 26 20:09:56 <ruskie> should be
May 26 20:09:57 <marex> Rabidus, should be fine
May 26 20:10:03 <Rabidus> should :)
May 26 20:10:06 <Rabidus> sounds promising :)
May 26 20:10:13 <marex> Rabidus, you can adjust the apt config
May 26 20:10:14 <slonopotamus> ruskie: they also should not trigger disabling wifi and locking screen. but who listens?
May 26 20:10:16 <ruskie> Rabidus, search apt-get howto change cache location
May 26 20:10:23 <ruskie> slonopotamus, don't forget 3g
May 26 20:10:23 <Rabidus> yeah, i know how to change
May 26 20:10:29 <Macer> ok
May 26 20:10:31 <Rabidus> i was just thinking is it safe
May 26 20:10:35 <ruskie> Rabidus, I meant without symlinking :)
May 26 20:10:36 <Macer> im all ears
May 26 20:10:53 <Macer> can i dist update this to work without the windows pc?
May 26 20:10:56 <Rabidus> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=511870
May 26 20:11:01 <Rabidus> i was looking this thread
May 26 20:11:07 <Stskeeps> Macer: use the application manager
May 26 20:11:15 <Rabidus> user "b666m"
May 26 20:11:17 <Stskeeps> if you can't, something's wrong with your setup
May 26 20:11:22 <asj_> bugger, Nokia messaging has stopped working
May 26 20:11:29 <Macer> Stskeeps: it keeps telling me i need a pc and to connect the usb
May 26 20:11:33 <mintux> it'sintresting nothing use my storage but it said device is busy . I got lsof also
May 26 20:11:36 <Macer> wtf?
May 26 20:11:40 <Macer> :)
May 26 20:11:56 <Macer> and my only option is to create a backup
May 26 20:11:57 <Stskeeps> Macer: hrm, ok. what previous version were you on?
May 26 20:12:14 <Macer> you mean still on? :) one sec..
May 26 20:12:35 <ruskie> Rabidus, I have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02cache with: Dir::Cache::archives "/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/";
May 26 20:13:14 <Macer> 3.2010.02-8.002
May 26 20:13:24 <Macer> that is what i am using now
May 26 20:13:40 * Arkenoi bets next ota won't go smooth either
May 26 20:13:49 <anonuk> sorry to repeat but can anyone tell me how i can get icons back, all my icons and graphics disappeared after updating to 1.2 . cant find which package they are in.....
May 26 20:14:15 <ruskie> anonuk, you mean you get squares instead of text and widgets etc?
May 26 20:14:31 <frals> Macer: do you get the details for the update? it should list whats conflicting there
May 26 20:14:41 <MohammadAG_> anonuk, I'm assuming the image worked?
May 26 20:14:46 <anonuk> ruskie: pink squares and blue squares. and some "missing image" images on bootup
May 26 20:14:50 <MohammadAG_> sorry haven't been to my other PC
May 26 20:14:53 <anonuk> MohammadAG: i managed to chroot with mer
May 26 20:14:58 <ruskie> anonuk, hmm sounds like /opt is missing
May 26 20:15:01 <ruskie> can you check
May 26 20:15:02 <MohammadAG_> heh
May 26 20:15:06 <anonuk> MohammadAG: took ages but now im missing all the graphics in maemo
May 26 20:15:20 <MohammadAG_> anonuk, graphics?
May 26 20:15:23 <anonuk> MohammadAG: and also the icons and hildon theme
May 26 20:15:32 <ruskie> yeah that's /opt
May 26 20:15:33 <frals> MohammadAG_: bah, thought you were on the other client, you have pm there!
May 26 20:15:35 <anonuk> pink squares and 'missing image' icons everywhere
May 26 20:15:44 <MohammadAG_> frals, paste again :P
May 26 20:15:44 <anonuk> ruskie: how do i check /opt
May 26 20:15:45 <frals> and now you have it on both!
May 26 20:15:53 <ruskie> some stuff gets moved to /opt with the update
May 26 20:15:55 <anonuk> ruskie: and where should i mount it to?
May 26 20:16:09 <anonuk> ruskie: i mean what do i mount? MyDocs/opt?
May 26 20:16:38 <anonuk> is there a way to manually copy stuff to there or reset it? cant flash no usb port
May 26 20:16:40 <ruskie> /home/opt is where it should exist primarily and be bind mounted to /opt
May 26 20:16:47 <Macer> This Maemo update requires the Nokia software update application...
May 26 20:16:59 <Macer> wtf?
May 26 20:17:08 <Stskeeps> or flasher
May 26 20:17:37 <Macer> so i will have to manually download an image and flash it.
May 26 20:17:41 <Macer> ?
May 26 20:17:51 <Stskeeps> right
May 26 20:17:52 <Macer> update fail
May 26 20:17:53 <Stskeeps> or NSU handles it
May 26 20:18:32 * Macer adds this to the no list next to "portrait"
May 26 20:18:35 <Macer> :)
May 26 20:19:12 <Scelt> Macer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626
May 26 20:19:25 <anonuk> ruskie: sorry irc client was acting up... is there a way to reset/copy over the icons and images into /opt
May 26 20:19:36 <ruskie> /home/opt is where it should exist primarily and be bind mounted to /opt
May 26 20:20:03 <anonuk> it is
May 26 20:20:15 <anonuk> but somehow still not finding the icons/images
May 26 20:20:19 <MarLawN> hello everyone
May 26 20:20:36 <anonuk> wondering how i can reinstall them manually (or by force)
May 26 20:20:37 <MarLawN> flashing fest today ? :)
May 26 20:20:38 <ruskie> anonuk, and I take it you tried rebooting?
May 26 20:20:48 <Macer> Scelt: oh i am sure i can figure out how to do it and get it going
May 26 20:20:48 <anonuk> ruskie: yep
May 26 20:20:54 <Macer> but it is still fail heh
May 26 20:20:59 <anonuk> ruskie: and reinstalling all the packages in the apt archive
May 26 20:21:03 <anonuk> ruskie: from the update
May 26 20:21:11 <Macer> not really an end user device for the masses it seems
May 26 20:21:13 <anonuk> ruskie: and flashing is not an option on this machine
May 26 20:21:53 <Aranel> I've moved the locale-archive to /home/ and symlinked it, but I still have the same rootfs space. How its possible?
May 26 20:22:13 <ruskie> Aranel, iirc ubifs does some compression as well
May 26 20:22:27 <Macer> i honestly shouldnt have to go through all these steps for an ota update :)
May 26 20:22:28 <slonopotamus> arachnist: /home is on rootfs, surprise :)
May 26 20:22:38 <microlith> wow
May 26 20:22:54 * xorAxAx straces apt-worker
May 26 20:22:57 <microlith> the calculator breaks in spectacular fashion when put into portait mode
May 26 20:23:03 <MarLawN> well I don't see why I should lose all my data cause I'm reinstalling the OS - I always put home on a different partition
May 26 20:23:09 * slonopotamus straces strace
May 26 20:23:25 <timeless_mbp> slonopotamus: eep, why?
May 26 20:23:34 <Macer> freeing up rootfs.. using a pc... manually downloading an image? seriously? just for a phone update. put one in the android column for and v maemo
May 26 20:23:38 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: because i can!
May 26 20:23:48 <Macer> :)
May 26 20:23:52 <Aranel> slonopotamus: really? /home/ is rootfs, too?
May 26 20:24:23 <slonopotamus> arachnist: df -h will tell you everything you want to know about partition layout :)
May 26 20:24:45 <ruskie> slonopotamus, having completion issues?
May 26 20:24:50 <arachnist> slonopotamus: it didn't change here
May 26 20:24:54 <slonopotamus> hmm
May 26 20:25:00 <Macer> anyways. have to get my son.. i will do this lame ass windows pc required update or flashing manually update later i suppose
May 26 20:25:07 <slonopotamus> ruskie: kinda
May 26 20:25:18 <slonopotamus> Aranel: okay, i was wrong :)
May 26 20:25:18 <arachnist> as in, my ~/ is still on a 2G partition
May 26 20:25:20 <Aranel> slonopotamus: so where do I have to move it? /home/opt?
May 26 20:26:02 <Aranel> hmm. so It doesnt explain why I didnt gain even a little free space after moving :/
May 26 20:26:02 <ruskie> /dev/mmcblk0p2 20.2G /home /dev/mmcblk0p4 3.6G /home/opt /dev/mmcblk0p1 4.8G /home/user/MyDocs
May 26 20:26:03 <MarLawN> I was looking in the documentation about flashing and holding the 'u' key but I can't find out why and I can still flash without holding - do you know what does it actually do ? i.e. Press and hold down the 'u' key but no reason
May 26 20:26:13 <ruskie> for me this works well ;)
May 26 20:26:23 <ruskie> MarLawN, it can be needed at times to get the device into the right usb mode
May 26 20:26:34 <slonopotamus> Aranel: apt-get purge python2.5-minimal :)
May 26 20:26:58 <slonopotamus> Aranel: i managed to free 30 megs that way here
May 26 20:27:30 <slonopotamus> Aranel: you can reinstall removed apps after upgrade
May 26 20:27:31 <anonuk> ruskie: no ideas what package those icons and images are in?
May 26 20:27:51 <Aranel> slonopotamus: isnt is dangerous to purge python2.5?
May 26 20:27:53 <ruskie> anonuk, lemme find it out
May 26 20:27:53 <MarLawN> ruskie,  this at times seems very ugly to me. Anyway, thanks. I've installed yesterday the leaked version, and then debian - going to do it again tonight with the UK version - btw, any particular difference in the various builds ?
May 26 20:28:06 <slonopotamus> Aranel: no, it isn't bundled with os
May 26 20:28:12 <anonuk> ruskie: thx
May 26 20:28:34 <ruskie> anonuk, hildon-theme-alpha and hildon-theme-beta
May 26 20:28:36 <ruskie> anonuk, try that
May 26 20:28:37 <slonopotamus> Aranel: however it is very likely that some of apps you installed need it (and so they will be removed too)
May 26 20:28:43 <Rinsmaster> I have a quick question: I'm trying to update to PR1.2, and the update manager says I have to launch the "Nokia software update application" on my computer. Do they mean the flasher with that? Does that mean I'll lose my data if I don't back-up?
May 26 20:29:02 <xorAxAx> yes, yes
May 26 20:29:04 <ruskie> Rinsmaster, the data should be on the eMMC and the flasher will only touch the rootfs
May 26 20:29:11 <MarLawN> Rinsmaster, I backed all up but I flashed and it was all there, just some settings gone
May 26 20:29:22 <johnsu01> Rinsmaster: I just had that as well, and I'm pretty sure it was just because I lacked space on rootfs
May 26 20:29:22 <Rinsmaster> Oh, great, thanks guys!
May 26 20:29:24 <MarLawN> I suggest you backup anyway
May 26 20:29:29 <anonuk> ruskie: done that already, didnt work
May 26 20:29:32 <johnsu01> Rinsmaster: but anyway I ran a backup, then used the flasher
May 26 20:29:41 <ruskie> anonuk, that's really the only thing...
May 26 20:29:41 <johnsu01> Rinsmaster: then restored the backup, and all seems good
May 26 20:29:43 <Rinsmaster> I will definately back-up, I was just wondering :)
May 26 20:29:50 <ruskie> anonuk, not sure about anything else
May 26 20:30:06 <MarLawN> Rinsmaster, what version are you installing ? USA ? UK ?
May 26 20:30:18 <Rinsmaster> MarLawN, Not sure? I'm in the Netherlands
May 26 20:30:23 <Rinsmaster> Global I guess?
May 26 20:30:27 <marex> ruskie, doing dist-upgrade ... we'll see
May 26 20:30:29 <MarLawN> I guess since you've got it in the update that it would be the you bought it from
May 26 20:30:30 <anonuk> ruskie: surely those icons and things must be in one of the packages?
May 26 20:30:39 <Rinsmaster> Or can I choose?
May 26 20:30:49 <MarLawN> from the site you can choose, from the mobile I don't know
May 26 20:30:51 <MarLawN> I flashed it
May 26 20:31:12 <ruskie> anonuk, I'm guessing something is bad with the optification
May 26 20:31:19 <Aranel> slonopotamus: ok, doing it now.. *prays*
May 26 20:31:29 <anonuk> anonuk: yes thats probably it, but is there a way to trace it and fix it
May 26 20:31:31 <Rinsmaster> MarLawN, oh, so it can be done without a computer too?
May 26 20:31:35 <Aranel> slonopotamus: I'm running remove instead of purge, any difference?
May 26 20:31:51 <slonopotamus> Aranel: almost none :)
May 26 20:31:56 <valdyn> Aranel: purge removes configuration aswell
May 26 20:32:56 <slonopotamus> Aranel: you'd better read what it is removing so you know what apps you installed got eradicated
May 26 20:33:27 <Aranel> slonopotamus: already did that, noted them =)
May 26 20:33:33 <slonopotamus> k
May 26 20:33:54 <slonopotamus> Aranel: tell us how much space you get :)
May 26 20:34:54 * slonopotamus wonders why maemo pulls in qt
May 26 20:35:08 <Rinsmaster> Also, guys, what does "OTA" mean? I can't find it anywhere, I feel such a noob... :/
May 26 20:35:09 <ruskie> slonopotamus, because it's now part of the basesystem
May 26 20:35:15 <ruskie> Rinsmaster, Over The Air
May 26 20:35:19 <josephnexus> OTA = over the air
May 26 20:35:29 <slonopotamus> ruskie: but why? base system has no apps using it
May 26 20:35:32 <marex> slonopotamus, to pull in developers ;-)
May 26 20:35:44 <ruskie> slonopotamus, the next one will have it as the primary toolkit
May 26 20:35:59 * josephnexus crosses his fingers as his phone finishes installing and is now installing the maemo update
May 26 20:36:01 <slonopotamus> ruskie: sooo?
May 26 20:36:05 <Aranel> 0_0
May 26 20:36:10 <Aranel> I didnt get any free space
May 26 20:36:15 <Aranel> I lost 3 megabytes.
May 26 20:36:16 <slonopotamus> marex: it could happily sit in repo, like python does
May 26 20:36:17 <josephnexus> finishes downloading
May 26 20:36:28 <Aranel> how it can be possible??
May 26 20:36:36 <slonopotamus> Aranel: how you're checking it? df -h / ?
May 26 20:36:52 <Aranel> df -h
May 26 20:36:53 <joga> Aranel: did you remove the pkgcache thingy?
May 26 20:37:00 <joga> (it regenerated it?)
May 26 20:37:06 <Aranel> Available 29.7
May 26 20:37:08 <Rinsmaster> ruskie, oh, so I _can_ update it without the flasher? My update manager says I have to use a computer..
May 26 20:37:12 <slonopotamus> Aranel: and what it says for / ?
May 26 20:37:15 <Aranel> pkgcache thing?
May 26 20:37:27 <joga> Aranel: in /var/cache/apt
May 26 20:37:29 <Aranel> 29.8M
May 26 20:37:39 <slonopotamus> Aranel: did apt-get clean already?
May 26 20:37:57 <Aranel> no I did not remove pkgcache
May 26 20:37:58 <joga> Aranel: referring to (2013  Aranel) is it ok to remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin ? they took 3.9 megabytes.
May 26 20:37:58 <slonopotamus> (you can't lose space by deinstalling stuff)
May 26 20:38:01 <joga> ok
May 26 20:38:16 <joga> sure you can if something uses it while doing the uninstall ;)
May 26 20:38:26 <Aranel> did apt-get clean
May 26 20:38:30 <joga> or, it's reporting it falsely
May 26 20:38:32 <Aranel> still 29.8
May 26 20:38:33 <joga> tried rebooting?
May 26 20:38:33 <slonopotamus> (we're not in windows)
May 26 20:38:37 <emillo> hi all I have updated the firmware but now the image in "mirror " is very dark almost black
May 26 20:38:50 <slonopotamus> emillo: mirror is broken
May 26 20:38:57 <Aranel> it should be a curse.
May 26 20:39:07 <emillo> yesterday it was working
May 26 20:39:07 <dmj726> how is mirror broken?
May 26 20:39:10 <Aranel> I really cant understand how can I lose space when I remove lots of package.
May 26 20:39:14 <joga> emillo: now it has better image quality
May 26 20:39:14 <slonopotamus> emillo: i got much worse picture with it than with other things using front camera
May 26 20:39:22 <Aranel> how can I run fsck on n900?
May 26 20:39:31 <joga> even though it's unusably dark and grey
May 26 20:39:42 <dmj726> slonopotamus: what other things used the front camera?
May 26 20:39:43 <timeless_mbp> Aranel: why?
May 26 20:39:48 <joga> maybe in direct sunlight it's okayish
May 26 20:39:54 <timeless_mbp> you'd run it as root from a shell
May 26 20:39:59 <timeless_mbp> just like you would anywhere else...
May 26 20:40:05 <dmj726> ...mirror also gets bad picture quality with the back camera for some reason.
May 26 20:40:05 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: I've lost space after uninstalling lots of stuff -including python2.5-
May 26 20:40:11 <joga> but the quality has significantly become better I think :)
May 26 20:40:20 <timeless_mbp> Aranel: did you reboot?
May 26 20:40:21 <slonopotamus> dmj726: you can convince mplayer to play what front camera sees. don't remember exact command.
May 26 20:40:32 <timeless_mbp> Aranel: running fsck isn't going to give you space
May 26 20:40:42 <joga> Aranel: have you rebooted?
May 26 20:40:51 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: now I did and regained some of the space. 42.0M =)
May 26 20:40:58 <joga> :)
May 26 20:40:59 <Aranel> damn, it was really weird.
May 26 20:41:09 <joga> it's not really, that's how it kinda works
May 26 20:41:57 <joga> if something still has the old stuff in memory, it won't be 'really' gone until the process stops
May 26 20:42:00 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: doing regular filesystem checks is a old habit, comes from Win98 :P It also worked on some cases on ext3. If your filesystem fills up even if you remove something, it is good to check.
May 26 20:42:00 <emillo> joga: so it's a regression or a new feature?
May 26 20:42:16 <slonopotamus> dmj726: and the fact that pr1.2 ships video skype and gtalk makes me think that they managed to make front camera produce usable picture
May 26 20:42:28 <joga> emillo: I suspect it's mirror's problem, but the camera has gotten better, but I haven't yet tried anything but mirror with it
May 26 20:42:36 <Aranel> now I have 42.0M, can I upgrade to PR1.2? I'm trying to do it for hours :/
May 26 20:42:42 <marex> ruskie, did the dist-upgrade finish for you ?
May 26 20:42:44 <emillo> joga: I tried skype and was dark as well
May 26 20:42:48 <marex> ruskie, or it rebooted in the middle
May 26 20:42:53 <slonopotamus> Aranel: try :)
May 26 20:42:54 <ruskie> marex, no clue... when I checked on it it was rebooting
May 26 20:42:58 <timeless_mbp> Aranel: that's not how this file system works
May 26 20:42:58 <dmj726> ...take a look at what mirror produces for /dev/video0 and you'll see
May 26 20:42:59 <joga> emillo: heh, turn on flashlight and reflect it with a paper or something
May 26 20:42:59 <ruskie> so I'm assuming in the middle
May 26 20:43:00 <joga> ;)
May 26 20:43:04 <timeless_mbp> here it's garbage collected
May 26 20:43:25 <marex> ruskie, d-u still in progress
May 26 20:43:27 <Rinsmaster> Can anyone tell me why I can't do an OTA update? Updating the "Maemo 5" package tells me I have to use the flasher on a computer..
May 26 20:43:37 <ruskie> Rinsmaster, out of space?
May 26 20:43:46 <joga> out of internets?
May 26 20:43:57 <lcuk> see the channel topic
May 26 20:44:03 <slonopotamus> Rinsmaster: didn't pay checks?
May 26 20:44:04 <DocScrutinizer51> Rinsmaster: see /topic
May 26 20:44:09 <Rinsmaster> WiFi is connected, and I have about 30M free on rootfs
May 26 20:44:25 <slonopotamus> Rinsmaster: make it more about 40mb
May 26 20:44:26 <noobmonk3y> could i ask a favour of some lovely people in here please :D - in about 5 mins (New version of healthcheck will be in extras devel), want a few people with different firmware variants (PR1.2) to update and check what comes out in the firmware version pleeeeease. IE usa variant should say ... PR1.2 - USA Version
May 26 20:44:35 <Rinsmaster> oh, I'll flash it then
May 26 20:44:37 <Rinsmaster> thanks
May 26 20:45:14 <Aranel> slonopotamus: It seems I still can't.
May 26 20:45:20 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, hardware revision?
May 26 20:45:31 <noobmonk3y> wohooo healthcheck update in devel if anyone is able to help me out - muchos appreciation
May 26 20:45:37 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, firmware revision
May 26 20:45:48 <Aranel> slonopotamus: any good libraries to remove? :P
May 26 20:46:02 <noobmonk3y> and goooood evening :)
May 26 20:47:06 <lcuk> Aranel, i believe i have already backed up, downloaded pr1.2, installed it, restored apps and am now onto getting changes for a later PR in place whilst you are still not giving up with finding a way round it
May 26 20:47:13 <lcuk> how much space have you got now?
May 26 20:47:24 <Aranel> 42.0
May 26 20:47:32 <Aranel> after removing the python.
May 26 20:47:41 <noobmonk3y> 'the python' w000p
May 26 20:48:04 <noobmonk3y> the freeing up rootfs guide on the wiki is the way - ie sorting the downloads location archive bit out works fine
May 26 20:48:10 <lcuk> you are aware that this method you are wiping out stuff via may still not be enough
May 26 20:48:24 <slonopotamus> Aranel: fire up app manager, open removal list, sort by size and see what's on top :)
May 26 20:48:33 <pupnik_> how can i remove unneeded l10n-*
May 26 20:48:38 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 26 20:48:47 <slonopotamus> Aranel: fmradioplayer freed about 3 megs
May 26 20:49:11 <noobmonk3y> soooo...  any lovely healthcheck testers? :D
May 26 20:49:17 <slonopotamus> Aranel: fbreader is smth like that too
May 26 20:49:33 <MohammadAG_> oh look, there's a monkey on the channel
May 26 20:49:36 <Aranel> It seems like I'll even remove the linux kernel and updater will still not be happy :|
May 26 20:50:05 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 26 20:50:08 <noobmonk3y> he Mo ;)
May 26 20:50:09 <noobmonk3y> hey*
May 26 20:50:31 <noobmonk3y> he-mo the offspring of he man and mo-mowlam?
May 26 20:50:43 <noobmonk3y> chadi, evening
May 26 20:50:43 <ruskie> wtf
May 26 20:50:46 <Aranel> lcuk: why do you think that it may still not be enough? Isnt 45.0~ ok for update?
May 26 20:50:46 <ruskie> Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'
May 26 20:50:49 <noobmonk3y> frals, evening
May 26 20:50:58 <frals> evening noobmonk3y o/
May 26 20:51:03 <noobmonk3y> Aranel, seems to be random atm somewhere between 43 and 60 does it
May 26 20:51:18 <GAN900> sp3000, thanks for being quick on the bug response.
May 26 20:51:25 <noobmonk3y> flashing is just so much easier then faffing lol
May 26 20:51:28 <Aranel> 60.
May 26 20:51:29 <Aranel> 60.
May 26 20:51:31 <Aranel> 60?
May 26 20:51:36 <frals> bah should head to bed soon, wouldve wanted to fix fmms a bit :(
May 26 20:51:42 <noobmonk3y> awwwwww
May 26 20:51:46 <frals> what you upto noobmonk3y?
May 26 20:51:55 <noobmonk3y> just fixing baby bugs in h/c
May 26 20:51:58 <lcuk> :(
May 26 20:52:00 <noobmonk3y> and erm preparing for my travels
May 26 20:52:12 * noobmonk3y is gonna be 1/2 way towards lcuk by saturday lol
May 26 20:52:17 <frals> where you going? :)
May 26 20:52:18 <strohi> it is possible to resize the / partition?
May 26 20:52:32 * lcuk is gonna be in dorset on monday
May 26 20:52:41 <noobmonk3y> borrowing my bros funky ickle sporty car and visiting mates on my way to my best mates 30th - go karting wooooop
May 26 20:52:44 * frals have no idea where hes going to be on monday
May 26 20:52:44 <ruskie> strohi, reduce it that's all
May 26 20:52:48 <lcuk> and tue,wed,thu,fri
May 26 20:52:53 <lcuk> no internet
May 26 20:52:54 <noobmonk3y> i'll be back in worthing on monday lol
May 26 20:52:58 <lcuk> a full itiniary
May 26 20:53:15 <frals> no internet for a week? wow!
May 26 20:53:15 <strohi> ruskie, the partition? i think maximize would be better
May 26 20:53:21 <lcuk> frals sure
May 26 20:53:29 <ruskie> strohi, it's 256 flash on the chip
May 26 20:53:30 <noobmonk3y> frals, very doable when you spend all day on a pc
May 26 20:53:31 <lcuk> i rarely use internet when i travel
May 26 20:53:34 <strohi> hm k
May 26 20:53:36 <lcuk> but with family its even less
May 26 20:53:37 <slonopotamus> Aranel: i have 80 free after updating to pr1.2 :)
May 26 20:53:39 <noobmonk3y> had no pc at home most of last year
May 26 20:53:42 <ruskie> strohi, the rest of the storage is an internal MMC
May 26 20:53:42 <MohammadAG_> <frals> no internet for a week? wow!
May 26 20:53:53 <MohammadAG_> Bad Sulzangen (?) wasn't any better
May 26 20:53:57 <lcuk> slonopotamus, 80 is reasonable, its over 100mb for a clean flash
May 26 20:53:59 <strohi> ruskie,  i can't upgrade using the update manager .. oh i didn't know that
May 26 20:54:01 <frals> i knew you were isolated on your little island but bloody hell i expected there to be some kind of network built ;)
May 26 20:54:23 <lcuk> frals, its purely functional
May 26 20:54:30 <frals> :)
May 26 20:54:50 <Aranel> slonopotamus: removed fbreader. fmradioplayer is not installed.
May 26 20:54:51 <noobmonk3y> lol frals
May 26 20:54:52 <lcuk> i just dont see why i travel XYZ miles to sit on bum infront of a screen
May 26 20:54:54 <Shapeshifter> Has someone written a tool to pre-render and scale map data for maep, mapper etc.?
May 26 20:55:07 <slonopotamus> Aranel: how much? :)
May 26 20:55:11 * noobmonk3y whinges
May 26 20:55:17 <MohammadAG_> yeah lcuk there's VNC for that
May 26 20:55:21 <Shapeshifter> like, so that someone can let the whole of europe through to be cached so that it's available "offline"?
May 26 20:55:21 <noobmonk3y> i want healthcheck testers lol....
May 26 20:55:28 <Aranel> slonopotamus: cant say before reboot :| It doesnt give me any free space. weird.
May 26 20:55:32 * noobmonk3y goes and storms tmo..... gotta be some bored trolls
May 26 20:55:32 <frals> lcuk: good point, i however dont need to sit infront of a screen the whole time even though i do have net access ;)
May 26 20:55:35 <MohammadAG_> he wants a healthcheck for healthcheck
May 26 20:55:46 * noobmonk3y thinks Mo is talking the truth, innit
May 26 20:56:06 <lcuk> frals i have phone with me and that has emergency access and i can keep updated in read only mode if required
May 26 20:56:11 <joga> Aranel: you've checked that there's nothing big in /home/user or so?
May 26 20:56:16 <MohammadAG_> nah, I was just pointing out the obvious irony
May 26 20:56:18 <lcuk> ie n900 awesomeness :D
May 26 20:56:41 <Aranel> joga: isnt /home/user is another partition? apart from rootfs?
May 26 20:56:47 <MohammadAG_> lol [extras-builds] [fremantle]: grr 0.0.4 FAILED   Maemo Extras Builder
May 26 20:56:50 * noobmonk3y will be honing his go-karting skills in a fiesta RS w0000p
May 26 20:56:53 <Zucca> Aye!
May 26 20:57:01 <joga> Aranel: /home/user/MyDocs is
May 26 20:57:01 <noobmonk3y> no phone for much of this wkend :P
May 26 20:57:14 <joga> /home/user is still on rootfs
May 26 20:57:16 <frals> lcuk: if you got your n900 with network access you cant claim to be going off without net :D
May 26 20:57:18 <Zucca> Now Maemo 5 terminal works with tmux. \o/
May 26 20:57:26 <joga> oh, no sorry, it isn't
May 26 20:57:35 <joga> missed one line in mount that says /home
May 26 20:57:44 <ruskie> hmm how can one specify a specific version of a packaget to install using apt-get ?
May 26 20:57:52 <frals> package=version?
May 26 20:57:53 <lcuk> frals, indeed i can
May 26 20:57:59 <lcuk> phone is phone
May 26 20:58:05 <joga> but mydocs and home are on separate partitions
May 26 20:58:06 <lcuk> i will not be sat here like htis
May 26 20:58:13 <frals> fair enough
May 26 20:58:20 <marex> ruskie, ok, reboot
May 26 20:58:33 <marex> ruskie, but dist-upgrade finished
May 26 20:58:48 <strohi> the only way to upgrade is to flash the device?
May 26 20:59:07 <joga> strohi, I did it OTA
May 26 20:59:18 <marex> ruskie, I see NOKIA logo and a progress bar
May 26 20:59:37 <josephnexus> marex, it's updating
May 26 20:59:52 <marex> updating what ?
May 26 20:59:58 <josephnexus> your OS
May 26 21:00:02 <strohi> hm
May 26 21:00:04 <josephnexus> at least that's what mine did
May 26 21:00:09 <joga> yeah
May 26 21:00:50 <marex> Enter PIN
May 26 21:00:50 <marex> ...
May 26 21:01:04 <marex> invitation ... wtf
May 26 21:01:10 <joga> invitation?
May 26 21:01:12 <xorAxAx> ruskie: so what do i need to modify in my scripts for 1.2?
May 26 21:01:23 <marex> dunno ... there were two buttons
May 26 21:01:32 <dmj726> is there a 64 bit version of flasher?
May 26 21:01:33 <marex> Term and whatever (didn't read that far) and Continue
May 26 21:01:51 <marex> *Terms of use maybe
May 26 21:01:52 <joga> I don't recall such
May 26 21:01:57 <joga> but might have been there
May 26 21:02:04 <joga> heh, no one reads those ;P
May 26 21:02:17 <marex> this is europe ... free continent :b
May 26 21:02:20 <lcuk> xorAxAx, what kinds of scripts
May 26 21:02:21 <joga> like ads on the internet...even if you don't have adblock, your brain skips them
May 26 21:02:45 <xorAxAx> lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie
May 26 21:02:48 <marex> MAEMO 5 ... 10.2010.19-1
May 26 21:02:50 <ruskie> marex, there is some thing called My Nokia in settings now
May 26 21:02:52 <marex> over dist-upgrade :)
May 26 21:03:00 <xorAxAx> ruskie: do the old sed commands work?
May 26 21:03:14 <pupnik_> is there any saving script for us dist-upgraders?
May 26 21:03:15 <ruskie> xorAxAx, no scripts changed
May 26 21:03:16 <marex> ruskie, what's that for ... worthless
May 26 21:03:27 <ruskie> marex, no clue... some sms service or something
May 26 21:03:35 <xorAxAx> ruskie: hmm? the update doesnt revert the scripts?
May 26 21:03:50 <xorAxAx> ruskie: then why did it get you stuck in a loop
May 26 21:03:55 <joga> "When you have registered to My Nokia, free tips and support will be sent regularly via SMS to your Nokia." ... lol, if I was really lonely I might even subscribe to that
May 26 21:03:57 <ruskie> xorAxAx, no clue
May 26 21:04:04 <marex> ruskie, the description says "I'm useless, you don't want to use me" ... ok
May 26 21:04:29 <ruskie> joga, hmm it's saying I'm subscribed but I'm 100% sure I never subscribed
May 26 21:04:30 * xorAxAx found the reason for the OTA problems: "apt-get dist-upgrade" may not remove a single package, otherwise HAM bails out
May 26 21:04:47 <xorAxAx> ruskie: so i can update to pr 1.2 and dont need to run anything afterwards?
May 26 21:04:55 <josephnexus> is there a changelog for 1.2?
May 26 21:05:03 <joga> ruskie: seems gray for me too, and unsubscribe seems selectable
May 26 21:05:05 <xorAxAx> josephnexus: yes, in the wiki
May 26 21:05:09 <xorAxAx> josephnexus: see RC
May 26 21:05:12 * joga presses unsubscribe
May 26 21:05:18 <joga> it's still the same
May 26 21:05:24 <MohammadAG_> Gotta run peeops
May 26 21:05:27 <MohammadAG_> -o
May 26 21:05:30 <MohammadAG_> Night #maemo
May 26 21:05:40 <josephnexus> see ya
May 26 21:05:40 <Dr_Cain> so uh, update OTA or via cable?
May 26 21:05:42 * MohammadAG_ slaps noobmonk3y and throws him at frals
May 26 21:05:47 <joga> LOL now I got an SMS "Attempt to unsubscribe has failed. Go to 'My Nokia' in Settings to try again. Visit www. blalbalbbal"
May 26 21:05:50 <Dr_Cain> it's telling me I need to plug it in and run through nokia software update
May 26 21:05:54 <joga> go nokia :)
May 26 21:05:56 <lcuk> gnite MohammadAG_
May 26 21:05:56 <frals> nn MohammadAG_
May 26 21:06:02 <MohammadAG_> joga, I couldn't unsubscribe too
May 26 21:06:11 <dmj726> xorAxAx: What was making it bail?
May 26 21:06:12 <joga> maybe they just highlighted the wrong buttons
May 26 21:06:13 <MohammadAG_> joga, you paid to see that message btw ;)
May 26 21:06:14 <joga> ;p
May 26 21:06:14 <xorAxAx> unsubscribe from what?
May 26 21:06:16 <marex> ruskie, well thanks for the support ... time to fight OE again :-(
May 26 21:06:19 <joga> MohammadAG_!
May 26 21:06:22 <MohammadAG_> Night lcuk, night frals
May 26 21:06:25 <xorAxAx> dmj726: libqt4-qt3support
May 26 21:06:25 <joga> an outrage! :-p
May 26 21:06:30 <MohammadAG_> yes you paid for it
May 26 21:06:47 <dmj726> xorAxAx: is anything using that?
May 26 21:06:58 <xorAxAx> dmj726: nope
May 26 21:07:00 <joga> xorAxAx: from the my nokia thing
May 26 21:07:13 <lcuk> xorAxAx, rcs late was modified
May 26 21:07:40 <lcuk> opt is a mountbind now
May 26 21:07:58 <xorAxAx> lcuk: ah
May 26 21:08:02 <xorAxAx> hmm, OTA failed for me
May 26 21:08:17 <dmj726> so that wasn't it?
May 26 21:08:18 <lcuk> well you have done some pretty invasive mods
May 26 21:08:30 <xorAxAx> well, it said "failed" in the middle of processing
May 26 21:09:04 <joga> xorAxAx: did it keep going or stop?
May 26 21:09:18 <xorAxAx> it stopped working and rebootet
May 26 21:09:21 <joga> k :(
May 26 21:09:26 <xorAxAx> s/t$/d/
May 26 21:09:39 <dougt_> is thumb supported in the 1.2 rom?  I have looked at two device (cat /proc/cpuinfo) and do not see thumb listed as a feature.  But I do have one person saying that it was supported in the 1.1 ROM.
May 26 21:09:50 <joga> if you have shortcutd running and press the cam key while it's updating you probably get "Operation failed" notification at some point but it doesn't matter
May 26 21:10:05 <joga> dougt_: thumb?
May 26 21:10:07 * MohammadAG 's shadow slaps frals again
May 26 21:10:21 * frals chucks a whale at moh
May 26 21:10:22 <frals> bah!
May 26 21:11:50 <Shapeshifter> Today I walked past the guy who wrote vim
May 26 21:12:02 <Shapeshifter> Didn't get the chance to shake hands...
May 26 21:13:09 <spinningcompass> Shapeshifter: You forgot the key combo, right? :) !shake: (switch to entry mode) $$$shake.
May 26 21:13:10 <dmj726> where do I get the image to flash my n900 with
May 26 21:13:11 <marex> joga, arm has two instruction sets ever since like v4
May 26 21:13:25 <dmj726> I do not want to delete everything, just get pr1.2
May 26 21:13:26 <marex> joga, and those two can interwork
May 26 21:13:30 <Shapeshifter> spinningcompass: :P
May 26 21:13:51 <slonopotamus> dougt_: thumb is supported by cpu. it has nothing to do with firmware
May 26 21:14:02 <joga> marex, oh, ok, I don't know the arm architecture all that well
May 26 21:14:28 <Aranel> slonopotamus: now I got 53.8 but It says I should use NSU. Do you know why?
May 26 21:15:47 <DocScrutinizer> see /topic
May 26 21:16:40 <GAN900> Aranel, that warning is because it has conflicting packages that it doesn't know how to deal with.
May 26 21:16:48 <GAN900> Aranel, so check with apt.
May 26 21:17:45 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#How_to_find_out_about_conflicting_packages.3F
May 26 21:18:05 <DocScrutinizer> RTFW
May 26 21:18:24 <Aranel> already. thanks for the link :)
May 26 21:18:33 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, lol
May 26 21:18:47 <dmj726> where are the firmware images
May 26 21:19:00 <joga> btw, do you guys have weird behavior when entering tilde? like you need to press it twice
May 26 21:19:22 <joga> the other keys like [ need only one click (haven't tried them all)
May 26 21:19:30 <lcuk> Aranel, im just finishing PR2.0
May 26 21:19:32 <joga> oh and this is a finnish layout
May 26 21:19:36 <Shapeshifter> joga: that's not weird, that's normal
May 26 21:19:48 <joga> oh, I see
May 26 21:19:54 <Shapeshifter> joga: it's a deadkey for õñã etc.
May 26 21:19:57 <joga> so you can ã?
May 26 21:19:58 <joga> yup
May 26 21:20:07 <Aranel> lcuk: lol, but I have the enough space now. This isnt fair. :P
May 26 21:20:18 <Shapeshifter> joga: same with ^
May 26 21:20:19 <lcuk> i tried to tell you
May 26 21:20:32 <lcuk> all the faffing and removing and mucking around isnt good for anything
May 26 21:20:43 * Shapeshifter is thinking about writing a better mail client
May 26 21:20:56 <lcuk> if you are spending hours trying to find the space requirement you are easier backing up and cleanly flashing and restoring
May 26 21:21:01 <marex> slonopotamus, careful, you need userland that supports interworking !
May 26 21:21:24 <lcuk> Aranel, what happens if you try using command line and apt-get to perform the update
May 26 21:21:36 <lcuk> does that actually tell you why its not possible (cant remember)
May 26 21:22:59 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: pine
May 26 21:23:12 <Aranel> lcuk: now I tried, it says "need to get 121MB of archives. After this operation, 21.1MB of additional disk space will be used. E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives"
May 26 21:23:18 <TheFaioli> newbie question: to start writing an application for maemo, is it best to use the GNU build system or the Qt Creator?
May 26 21:23:54 <lcuk> doh yeah i forgot about that, ham uses a different place for it atm, ok nm
May 26 21:24:08 <Aranel> lcuk: so now what, 53M is not enough for it? It wants more?
May 26 21:24:10 <lcuk> TheFaioli, it depends on what you want to achieve
May 26 21:24:31 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: huh. pine is very old
May 26 21:24:32 <lcuk> Aranel, it is conflicted did you read the message and page docs linked
May 26 21:25:03 <dmj726> what url is the nokia pr1.2 update located at
May 26 21:25:23 <Aranel> lcuk: yes I did and it was noted under "Not Enough Free Space" with a link to "free up rootfs space"
May 26 21:25:34 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: www.google.com
May 26 21:25:35 <TomaszD> dmj726, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
May 26 21:25:37 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
May 26 21:25:40 <Dr_Cain> how much rootfs do you need?
May 26 21:25:44 <Dr_Cain> I have 42 MB now, is that enough?
May 26 21:25:49 <TheFaioli> lcuk: I am not sure I follow. What is the advantage of one over the other? Let's say I want to write a client to sync my contacts a web service.
May 26 21:25:54 <chadi> !seen noobmonk3y
May 26 21:26:40 <lcuk> TheFaioli, well if its a gui app its recommended you use qt to start.  but you will have to check if you have all the qt classes to access what you need
May 26 21:26:50 <DrGrov> Hi guys and girls
May 26 21:28:10 <TheFaioli> lcuk: So as a rule, Qt is better for GUI (and beginners?) and GNU is better for c dev like libs and such? (very rough rule of thumb)
May 26 21:28:32 <dmj726> the emmc image is gereally unnecesay right?
May 26 21:28:43 <Arkenoi> qt sucks today
May 26 21:28:45 <TomaszD> it is essential for PR1.2 dmj726
May 26 21:28:52 <simoneb_> seems like updating to 1.2 broke something on my n900... it boots, but every letter is displayed as a small square, it lacks some themes, etc
May 26 21:29:03 <dmj726> ah
May 26 21:29:04 <Arkenoi> if it takes 3-5 seconds for application to launch it is showstopper
May 26 21:29:09 <Dr_Cain> apt-get clean freed up some rootfs space
May 26 21:29:15 <lcuk> TheFaioli, comparing Qt to GNU is not the same
May 26 21:29:20 <Arkenoi> i hoped pr1.2 will change that as qt was expected to be preloaded
May 26 21:29:22 <Dr_Cain> stupid partition design from the beginning tbh
May 26 21:29:23 <Arkenoi> but no
May 26 21:29:29 <lcuk> people normally do qt vs gtk+gobject
May 26 21:29:49 <TomaszD> dmj726, basically, if you follow instructions it's going to be OK, if you don't you'll end up in deep shit and you subsequently write a thread about how nokia sucks
May 26 21:29:50 <lcuk> GNU build system stuff can be used for qt or gtk or many other things
May 26 21:29:54 <TheFaioli> lcuk: Because both are UI... gotcha.
May 26 21:29:57 <DrGrov> simoneb_: any problems while upgrading to PR 1.2? How did you upgrade? Flashing or OTA?
May 26 21:30:03 <lcuk> yup TheFaioli
May 26 21:30:10 <Arkenoi> something is wrong with media tracker, i do not see any files in player
May 26 21:30:13 <strcpy> Hi everybody. I`m downloading firmware update 1.2 . has anybody checked if this update resolve previous depencency hell mainly caused by Qt ?
May 26 21:30:15 <Arkenoi> after update
May 26 21:30:18 <simoneb_> DrGrov: no, no problems, i just attached it to the wire and let it go... OTA
May 26 21:30:24 <lcuk> so anyway, qt has a lower barrier of entry for new developers if everything flows smoothly
May 26 21:30:31 <Dr_Cain> strcpy: you updating via the app manager ?
May 26 21:30:38 <TheFaioli> lcuk: So I can basically use them interchangeably if I develop for Qt....
May 26 21:30:42 <Dr_Cain> or apt?
May 26 21:30:42 <DrGrov> simoneb_: attach it to the wire? OTA doesn't require any wire as fair as I know...
May 26 21:30:48 <DrGrov> simoneb_: but yes, OTA it is.
May 26 21:30:51 <lcuk> ? use what interchangably?
May 26 21:31:00 <strcpy> no. through nokia-software-update (forgot to mention N900)
May 26 21:31:01 <simoneb_> DrGrov: yea, i mean the battery charger
May 26 21:31:19 <Dr_Cain> damnit, it really wants to use the damn nokia updater :|
May 26 21:31:22 <Dr_Cain> I want to flash OTA!
May 26 21:31:31 <DrGrov> simoneb_: the bootup is going smooth?
May 26 21:31:32 <spinningcompass> I've created a Bluetooth PAN & now I can interact with the Nokia N810's screen via VNC on my Mac. Is there a way to run a program on the Nokia 810 *from the Mac*, feed the program from the Mac to the Nokia, and then watch the result on the Mac's screen?
May 26 21:31:39 <dmj726> so I can't update to pr 1.2 without killing my home?
May 26 21:31:48 <GAN900> dmj726, huh?
May 26 21:31:49 <TheFaioli> lcuk: I can use Qt Creator but basically the source can be compiled either way (suppose I send it to someone who does not use Qt Creator).
May 26 21:32:04 <simoneb_> DrGrov: it boots, (the intro video is not showing up but oh well ...) then in the desktop i can't see many things, i see letters as squares, etc
May 26 21:32:10 <strcpy> Dr_Cain, I did just bricked my n900, it was due to updating to latest kernel-power dev release, I believe. and found it a good chance to upgrade to 1.2 too :)
May 26 21:32:20 <dmj726> isn't the emmc image for the 32 gb?
May 26 21:32:21 <Dr_Cain> oops :D
May 26 21:32:26 <TomaszD> dmj726, that seems to be the case, so back up and move the back up off the phone
May 26 21:32:28 <Dr_Cain> yeah bad idea X)
May 26 21:32:40 <jjmarin> what the hell is this: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `maemo-optify-runonce' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
May 26 21:32:40 <Dr_Cain> though you can get it back with the flasher , right?
May 26 21:32:59 <simoneb_> DrGrov: for example i had some bookmarks on that desktop which i don't see... i see the foreca widget's outline, its icons (sun, clouds...) but not much else
May 26 21:33:02 <DrGrov> simoneb_: i put a PM for you.
May 26 21:33:07 <dmj726> this is painful compared to ubuntu
May 26 21:33:13 <TheFaioli> Thanks!
May 26 21:33:16 <Arkenoi> no videos/no music/no photos
May 26 21:33:18 <strcpy> Dr_Cain, I already reflashed it to latest maemo .bin , to be able to use nokia-soft-up and just noticed 1.2 release :)
May 26 21:33:31 <TomaszD> dmj726, no, flashing is not the preferred option, you are supposed to update OTA
May 26 21:33:36 <DrGrov> simoneb_: sound like you have some serious issues with the installation of the firmware
May 26 21:33:40 <Arkenoi> what can be the reason?
May 26 21:33:44 <Arkenoi> reboot does not help
May 26 21:33:44 <simoneb_> DrGrov: thank you... a pm to who?
May 26 21:33:46 <strcpy> just be warned about trying kernel-power dev releases. in my case it leaded to constant reboots
May 26 21:33:51 <DrGrov> simoneb_: it didn't go as planned it seems
May 26 21:33:55 <dmj726> OTA refuses to work
May 26 21:34:04 <dmj726> I've spent 4 hours trying that
May 26 21:34:11 <DrGrov> simoneb_: i wrote you a private message, but nevermind. we talk here, perhaps someone else can help out as well.
May 26 21:34:25 <TomaszD> so flash both FIASCO and eMMC dmj726, but first move your backup off the phone
May 26 21:34:31 <TomaszD> you'll lose everything if you don't
May 26 21:34:54 <simoneb_> DrGrov: oh, ok. anyway i don't mean the nokia logo, i can't see the small clip after that, the hands (which i changed into something else)
May 26 21:34:56 <dmj726> yeah...I copied off my MyDocs...took half an hour just to copy that
May 26 21:34:56 <DrGrov> simoneb_: when you updated you waited long enough to see the initial big lettered NOKIA screen with a progress bar?
May 26 21:35:03 <TomaszD> and don't reboot between FIASCO and eMMC flash
May 26 21:35:04 <ruskie> Purging configuration files for nokiamaps-navigation-provider ...
May 26 21:35:04 <ruskie> rmdir: unrecognized option `--ignore-fail-on-non-empty'
May 26 21:35:08 <ruskie> so nicely broken
May 26 21:35:11 <DrGrov> simoneb_: ah okay, you changed it.
May 26 21:35:37 <DrGrov> simoneb_: did you do a backup before you upgraded?
May 26 21:36:07 <simoneb_> DrGrov: uhm, i think i waited too much because i didn't see the progress bar. i left the mobile on the table and came back after an hour or so.
May 26 21:36:12 <simoneb_> DrGrov: yes i did
May 26 21:36:56 <DrGrov> simoneb_: you should have seen a blue lettered "NOKIA" appearing after the installation which had a progress bar. Did you see whether the phone told you that the software has been updated?
May 26 21:36:59 <Arkenoi> is there a way to force tracker to rescan manually?
May 26 21:37:08 <TomaszD> yes
May 26 21:37:09 <pupnik_> dunn
May 26 21:37:17 <DrGrov> simoneb_: is there any way you can try to restore your latest backup?
May 26 21:37:22 <simoneb_> DrGrov: ssh?
May 26 21:37:44 <DrGrov> simoneb_: can you access any menus at all?
May 26 21:37:56 <simoneb_> DrGrov: i can, but i can't read anything
May 26 21:38:09 <TomaszD> Arkenoi, tracker-processes -r
May 26 21:38:10 <DrGrov> simoneb_: ok, that makes it a bit hard yes.
May 26 21:38:11 <TomaszD> as a normal user
May 26 21:38:29 <DrGrov> anyone know how to help simoneb_ with his firmware problem? :) kindly appreciated I think.
May 26 21:38:30 <simoneb_> DrGrov: i remember i did a apt-get autoremove which removed libguile... is that bad?
May 26 21:38:36 <DrGrov> I have run out of ideas
May 26 21:38:43 <simoneb_> yea very kindly appreciated, i confirm that
May 26 21:39:09 <DrGrov> simoneb_: no idea actually, i don't use apt-get autoremove at all since it might cause serious problems. not sure about libguile though if it is connected to your current problem.
May 26 21:39:19 * anonuk is so close to a working maemo, yet so far :(
May 26 21:39:39 <spinningcompass> Is there a way to run NFS over a Bluetooth PAN between a Nokia N810 and a Macbook?
May 26 21:39:56 <simoneb_> is there any way to restore a backup via ssh?
May 26 21:39:56 <jjmarin> Anyone has success with apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade
May 26 21:40:21 <jjmarin> for PR1.2 upgrade
May 26 21:40:30 <josephnexus> is there a way to have the calendar have a recurring event every 2nd and 4th friday of the month?
May 26 21:40:41 <obcecado> hi, how can i make a video call thru skype ?
May 26 21:40:55 <obcecado> i cant seem to find any menus
May 26 21:41:00 <obcecado> pr 1.2
May 26 21:41:07 <josephnexus> obcecado you make the call
May 26 21:41:11 <josephnexus> and then after they answer
May 26 21:41:24 <josephnexus> there is a button that appears to enable video
May 26 21:41:34 <TomaszD> not really, there is an option to video call directly as well
May 26 21:42:14 <obcecado> where ?
May 26 21:42:21 * Aranel *yay! yay! It's downloading the update! teeworlds was the conflicting package. thanks to lcuk, slonopotamus, DocScrutinizer and other guys who helped me =) 
May 26 21:42:38 <TomaszD> well, in the call menu
May 26 21:42:48 <Arkenoi> did not help
May 26 21:42:55 <Arkenoi> any other troubleshooting ideas?
May 26 21:43:02 <TomaszD> troubleshooting for what
May 26 21:43:12 <obcecado> i really cant find it
May 26 21:43:21 <obcecado> im doing a call now, and i cant find the icon
May 26 21:43:32 <Arkenoi> TomaszD, no media files are indexed
May 26 21:43:57 <TomaszD> obcecado, open the keyboard to enter landscape mode
May 26 21:43:58 <dmj726> why is the fiasco image 19 and the emmc 13?
May 26 21:44:12 <TomaszD> dmj726, it doesn't matter, it's OK
May 26 21:44:25 <TomaszD> Arkenoi, what is your situation, fresh flash?
May 26 21:44:35 <Arkenoi> TomaszD, yep
May 26 21:44:44 <TomaszD> emmc too?
May 26 21:44:47 <obcecado> TomaszD: same options
May 26 21:44:50 <lcuk> Aranel, sure no problem, btw, pr4.7 was released :P
May 26 21:44:55 <Arkenoi> no, just fiasco image
May 26 21:45:00 <simoneb_> DrGrov: i think i got it ... my /opt has not been mounted. how could it be?
May 26 21:45:06 <TomaszD> obcecado, update the desktop client
May 26 21:45:09 <jjmarin> PR1.2 is a shit !!!!
May 26 21:45:20 <Aranel> lcuk: damn.. I was freeing up some space for PR1.3.. I'll never get it done before pr7.0 :(
May 26 21:45:26 <TomaszD> Arkenoi, see, that's where you failed :)
May 26 21:45:29 <lcuk> heh
May 26 21:45:43 <thresh> yeah flash emmc and lose all your data
May 26 21:45:45 <lcuk> well done anyway :) as much as i moaned you persevered
May 26 21:45:49 <thresh> nice choice :S
May 26 21:46:04 <TomaszD> lose data? maybe back your data up and move it off the phone
May 26 21:46:10 <TomaszD> it's easy...
May 26 21:46:16 <thresh> not really
May 26 21:46:20 <SpeedEvil> Always back up.
May 26 21:46:32 <SpeedEvil> You can't easily drop your server down the toilet.
May 26 21:46:33 <thresh> my nokla has more space than my every computer
May 26 21:46:40 <TomaszD> yes it is. You use the backup app, then move the backup folder to your desktop
May 26 21:46:47 <TomaszD> move your pics and videos too
May 26 21:46:53 <josephnexus> SpeedEvil: is that a challange?
May 26 21:47:00 <thresh> backup app didnt back up all my music ;)
May 26 21:47:06 <SpeedEvil> josephnexus: yes.
May 26 21:47:11 <SpeedEvil> josephnexus: pics plz.
May 26 21:47:18 <lcuk> in soviet russia, toilet drops on server
May 26 21:47:21 <simoneb_> can anybody please tell me how the "/opt" line in /etc/fstab should look like?
May 26 21:47:24 <TomaszD> thresh, sure but where did it say that it would
May 26 21:47:29 <josephnexus> lcuk, pics or it didn't happen
May 26 21:47:31 <josephnexus> :-P
May 26 21:47:32 <Arkenoi> and volume buttons do not work in video player anymore
May 26 21:47:47 <dmj726> why would I want the emmc image?
May 26 21:47:49 <thresh> TomaszD: sure. still a FAIL to update.
May 26 21:47:52 <lcuk> josephnexus, theres stories on dailywtf about server rooms inside toilets
May 26 21:47:54 <lcuk> and floods
May 26 21:47:55 <lcuk> so, sure
May 26 21:48:03 <dmj726> ...my phone just booted fine after flashing the other one
May 26 21:48:07 <TomaszD> Arkenoi, don't waste your time, backup, move backup and data, flash FIASCO, flash eMMC
May 26 21:48:08 <dmj726> Am I missing something?
May 26 21:48:12 <lcuk> simoneb_, how do you know /opt isnt mounted
May 26 21:48:19 <lcuk> have oyu got far enough to get a ssh session?
May 26 21:48:26 <simoneb_> lcuk: "find /opt" yields almost nothing
May 26 21:48:44 <lcuk> how are you typing "find /opt"
May 26 21:48:52 <lcuk> on device itself?
May 26 21:48:52 <simoneb_> lcuk: make that "-type f", and it's really nothing
May 26 21:48:58 <TomaszD> dmj726, yes, you are not supposed to reboot the phone after flashing fiasco (-R flag)
May 26 21:48:59 <simoneb_> yes, via ssh, as root
May 26 21:49:01 <lcuk> or ssh session?
May 26 21:49:07 <Arkenoi> TomaszD, do you imagine what it takes to do on a phone heavy loaded with stuff? it probably takes several hours of my time and i probably forget something
May 26 21:49:15 <TomaszD> dmj726, re-flash without the flag, then flash emmc with the -R flag
May 26 21:49:15 <lcuk> is the device functioning? ie booted visibly ok?
May 26 21:49:34 <Arkenoi> zillion application settings etc
May 26 21:49:39 <TomaszD> Arkenoi, no right to complain if something fails if you can't take the time
May 26 21:49:53 <simoneb_> lcuk: no, it isn't working well, it boots, i see the nokia logo, i don't see the welcoming video, i get to home screen but don't see letters (i see them as squares), etc.
May 26 21:49:55 <Arkenoi> it should not fail, should it?
May 26 21:50:24 <lcuk> :( simoneb_ sure, that does sound like /opt corruption
May 26 21:50:24 <Arkenoi> the phone is not supposed to behave such way or to require *hours* to be spent on fixing things that should not break
May 26 21:50:27 <TomaszD> ...if you flash fiasco without the -R flag, then eMMC with the -R flag it will work fine
May 26 21:50:39 <simoneb_> lcuk: well as a start i could try to mount it by hand
May 26 21:50:51 <TomaszD> Arkenoi, I'm just trying to help you
May 26 21:50:58 <Arkenoi> :-)
May 26 21:51:00 <TomaszD> if you don't want to be helped then fine
May 26 21:51:00 <lcuk> since you have booted, could you pastebin the log of .... to me please
May 26 21:51:02 <lcuk> just finding file
May 26 21:52:02 <lcuk> simoneb_, just mounting it may not do you much good, im just finidng the log filename now - unforuntately if its run over what i think it has but then something has gone wrong you will need to flash most likely
May 26 21:52:17 <lcuk> first/ ceck /home/opt
May 26 21:52:21 <lcuk> check
May 26 21:52:25 <lcuk> does it have contents
May 26 21:52:35 <simoneb_> uhm, yes, /home/opt has stuff in it
May 26 21:52:45 <Dr_Cain> oh hey, nokia software updater started working, just after I downloaded the image manually from tablets-dev >_>
May 26 21:52:56 * Dr_Cain downloads again
May 26 21:53:05 <lcuk> can you pastebin a recursive ls (private if you like)
May 26 21:53:57 <lcuk> and the contents of /var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log as well please
May 26 21:54:23 <dmj726> why must the battery be fully charged to flash the mmc?
May 26 21:54:48 <Dr_Cain> because it will be running off battery power during flashing
May 26 21:54:50 <TomaszD> that's a dumb question, it's failsafe for dumb users
May 26 21:54:55 <dmj726> ...oh
May 26 21:55:13 <Dr_Cain> needs to be atleast 50%
May 26 21:55:18 <lcuk> and simoneb_ one more thing, does /var/lib/maemo-optify-firstboot-do-not-clean-home-opt exist
May 26 21:55:19 <dmj726> Okay, I wanted to make sure it wasn't something to do with calibrating the battery software
May 26 21:55:47 <simoneb_> lcuk: exists, at 0 bytes
May 26 21:56:13 <lcuk> ok ta
May 26 21:56:28 <pupnik_> i got no such file
May 26 21:56:59 <lcuk> pupnik_, did you update to 1.2?
May 26 21:57:07 <pupnik_> yeah upgraded
May 26 21:57:11 <pupnik_> no reboot yet
May 26 21:57:26 <lcuk> sideways
May 26 21:57:29 <pupnik_> ham didnt have an upgrade
May 26 21:57:30 <lcuk> how did you not reboot?
May 26 21:57:36 <Dr_Cain> ah there we go, updated
May 26 21:57:44 <pupnik_> dunno
May 26 21:58:10 <lcuk> ham closes most things so you cannot continue ?
May 26 21:58:11 <pupnik_> kept running out of space and restarting
May 26 21:58:47 <pupnik_> there was and is no pr1.2 upgrade visible in ham today
May 26 21:59:06 <pupnik_> but the packages are there
May 26 21:59:38 <pupnik_> so apt-get upgrade installs them
May 26 22:00:28 <Ikarus> pupnik_: not recommended though
May 26 22:00:48 <GAN900> pupnik_, did you nuke the metapackage or something?
May 26 22:02:16 <pupnik_> i never found out the metapackage - what is it called
May 26 22:03:52 <lcuk> not recommended at all infact
May 26 22:05:17 <pupnik_> there was no OTA in ham for me.  probably took the spooks too long to trojan
May 26 22:07:22 <arachnist> i've got 1.2
May 26 22:07:24 <jjmarin> Pls Help: My N900 reboots trying upgrade PR1.2 with "apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade".   This is the message I've got before rebooting: Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y | Selecting previously deselected package maemo-optify-runonce. | (Reading database ... 22923 files and directories currently installed.) | Unpacking maemo-optify-runonce (from .../maemo-optify-runonce_0.10-32+0m5_all.deb) ... | dokil
May 26 22:07:27 <arachnist> via ham
May 26 22:08:21 <jjmarin> I use "apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade" from http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Listing_rootfs_space_on_your_device
May 26 22:09:15 <jjmarin> jjmarin: any idea. I'm trying to upgrade the hole day. Using the UI I've got "operation failed"
May 26 22:12:54 <PhonicUK> ��$
May 26 22:13:53 <bobbyd> hi
May 26 22:14:25 <bobbyd> I just flashed my n900 to PR 1.2 UK clean and I now I can't work out how to get the calendar widget back
May 26 22:14:35 <bobbyd> a, maybe Ive got to download it :)
May 26 22:15:04 <arachnist> barisione: did you make a backup before reflashing the device?
May 26 22:15:18 <arachnist> barisione: was it a full backup?
May 26 22:15:36 <bobbyd> arachnist: if you're talking to me, yes I did
May 26 22:15:44 <arachnist> whoops
May 26 22:15:50 <b-man> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/british-scientist-becomes-first-human-infected-with-a-computer/    hehehe
May 26 22:15:53 <bobbyd> I know it stores all installed apps, but I wanted to start clean
May 26 22:16:08 <arachnist> bobbyd: well, there should be an option in the backup app to restore the applications
May 26 22:16:29 <bobbyd> (apart from contacts) I've installed a crazy amount of stuff on this
May 26 22:17:47 <bobbyd> I'll have a look through the list anyway
May 26 22:17:52 <bobbyd> thanks for reminding me
May 26 22:19:04 <bleeter> grrr, OTA won't work (insufficient space) and NSU keeps throwing a wobbly :/ lol
May 26 22:19:37 <hardaker> bleeter: how much did it tell you that it needed total?
May 26 22:19:42 <javispedro> the new tmo -- you cannot even point users to bugzilla because they go there and write "MORONS!!!"
May 26 22:19:52 <hardaker> (I didn't even try; I flashed as I knew it wouldn't ever have enough since 1.1.1 needed 90M and I had about 10)
May 26 22:20:38 <jjmarin> For reference: my problem was related with the package maemo-optify-runonce and I resolved with rm -rf /opt/* . Now it is installing :) 		   		   		   		   		   		
May 26 22:21:21 * javispedro wonders what are you doing
May 26 22:21:47 <javispedro> if you just did that, well, backup and reflash, because all your apps are gone.
May 26 22:21:57 <bobbyd> nope, can't find it anywhere
May 26 22:22:09 <bobbyd> is it part of the default install for you guys, under widgets on the desktop?
May 26 22:23:39 <javispedro> b-man: quite a smart guy. now start the countdown to him selling a firewall/antivirus system for an embedded OS whose in the wild virus count is 0 :)
May 26 22:27:38 <Arkenoi> how do i change volume keys function? now they are tied to zoom function
May 26 22:27:48 <shinkamui> yay
May 26 22:27:52 <Arkenoi> so i cannot change volume at all
May 26 22:28:01 <shinkamui> looks likke my break in opengles was due to having a half installed pr1.2 upgrade
May 26 22:28:38 <javispedro> Arkenoi: which application?
May 26 22:28:53 <Arkenoi> all of them
May 26 22:29:04 <shinkamui> javispedro, thanks for the poke there
May 26 22:29:09 <ioan> hi. any idea where the proxy settings for each connection are kept?
May 26 22:29:12 <Arkenoi> if i press volume buttons in media player just nothing happens
May 26 22:29:13 <shinkamui> I didn't think to make sure my packages were up to date
May 26 22:29:19 <Arkenoi> for terminal i get font size change
May 26 22:29:21 <shinkamui> just assumed the update worked
May 26 22:29:46 <javispedro> shinkamui: actually, I wanted you to update package listings, if app mgr left you with a broken system then complain about it
May 26 22:29:56 <javispedro> (but not on that bug report ofc :P )
May 26 22:30:02 <shinkamui> :-D
May 26 22:30:26 <javispedro> Arkenoi: and on the desktop?
May 26 22:31:28 <hawai`i> Okay who wants to solve my new problem?
May 26 22:31:53 <hawai`i> Halted on boot at Nokia logo, R&D mod does not force continuation.
May 26 22:32:30 <Arkenoi> on the desktop no effect as well
May 26 22:33:06 <javispedro> Arkenoi: reboot
May 26 22:33:40 <javispedro> http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/05/26/2050256/Video-Gamers-Have-Power-Over-Their-Dreams oh, I'd wish.
May 26 22:36:04 <Arkenoi> javispedro, no effect
May 26 22:37:07 <hawai`i> Nobody feels like diagnosing this with me?
May 26 22:43:52 <Arkenoi> well, if *THIS* thing was delayed to clean up bugs..
May 26 22:45:12 <hawai`i> Why the fuck doesn't it boot when R&D mode is enabled?
May 26 22:46:25 <Ikarus[N900]> hmmm, video jabber calls aren't allowed ? or is it actually checking if the other end supports it ?
May 26 22:47:39 <Robot101> Ikarus[N900]: it checks that the other end supports it, yeah
May 26 22:53:32 <javispedro> Robot101: btw, do you know if I could potentially call another resource of my own Jabber ID with the Maemo client? (off the top of your head, don't look it up, just an experiment I want to do)
May 26 22:54:40 <Robot101> javispedro: it's hardcoded out in telepathy at the moment, not for any very good reason but nobody really thought it through yet
May 26 22:55:06 <javispedro> ah, nevermind then :)
May 26 22:55:41 <DocScrutinizer> Robot101: o/
May 26 22:55:59 <Robot101> evening
May 26 22:56:26 <bleeter> hardaker: it didn't
May 26 22:56:39 <hardaker> ah
May 26 22:58:55 <opdf2> anyone else holding out on 1.2?
May 26 22:59:43 <DocScrutinizer> eeeew 1.2
May 26 23:00:25 <javispedro> ah... final user vs bugzilla interaction guys are going to have quite a lot of work
May 26 23:00:26 * anonuk fixed the hildon theme by copying /usr/share/themers/Default to /usr/share/themes/default! 90 back to working again :)
May 26 23:01:20 * DocScrutinizer waits for 1.2.1 :-P
May 26 23:01:49 <Ikarus[N900]> hrm search in app installer is missing in 1.2 ?
May 26 23:02:04 <DocScrutinizer> type searkstring
May 26 23:02:13 <wolf^> Ikarus, select "all categories" and type to match
May 26 23:02:14 <DocScrutinizer> s/k/ch
May 26 23:02:24 <javispedro> removing the menu item wasn't a good idea.
May 26 23:02:31 <DocScrutinizer> not at all
May 26 23:02:41 <Ikarus[N900]> wolf^: not working
May 26 23:02:42 <DocScrutinizer> incredibly obscure
May 26 23:02:53 <Ikarus[N900]> 9h just slow
May 26 23:03:00 <javispedro> also I have to check if they still search into descriptions
May 26 23:03:15 <javispedro> because it seemed too fast to be searching in descriptions
May 26 23:03:15 <Ikarus[N900]> also only package name not description it seems...
May 26 23:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> and you can't select anymore descr/name
May 26 23:03:39 <javispedro> bad, bad idea.
May 26 23:03:47 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: now that would be a bummer! :-((
May 26 23:04:30 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: yeah, but now it meets the gui design rules :-P
May 26 23:04:57 <javispedro> dunno -- seems like non-discoverable to me.
May 26 23:05:15 <Ikarus[N900]> dockane: while all other annoying 30 page scroll lists still lack search on type
May 26 23:05:45 <zaheerm> like email :)
May 26 23:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: "type anywhere to search/match" paradigma
May 26 23:05:56 <javispedro> see Ikarus point :)
May 26 23:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> aah EHIGHLIGHT
May 26 23:06:45 <Ikarus[N900]> yeah ENOTAB :P
May 26 23:07:48 <DocScrutinizer> ETRYAGAIN
May 26 23:07:53 <javispedro> ERETRY
May 26 23:07:53 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 26 23:08:00 <DocScrutinizer> oops
May 26 23:08:15 <javispedro> noo
May 26 23:08:19 <javispedro> you're right.
May 26 23:08:20 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 26 23:09:07 <Ikarus[N900]> hrm, also anyone know a better app to manage the applications menu, other then catorise I know none
May 26 23:09:28 <lcuk> Ikarus[N900], on pr1.2 you can arrange single items
May 26 23:09:29 <BCMM> Ikarus[N900]: have you updated to pr1.2 ?
May 26 23:09:31 <lcuk> but not the kind of grouping
May 26 23:09:40 <BCMM> rearranging is built it, but not subfolders
May 26 23:09:41 <lcuk> you can move any item up to where you want it
May 26 23:09:45 <BCMM> also, lcuk is faster than me
May 26 23:09:47 <lcuk> just tap and hold on an icon
May 26 23:09:52 <BCMM> maybe it's daytime in his timezone or something
May 26 23:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> Ikarus[N900]: heard 1.2
May 26 23:10:56 <DocScrutinizer> subfolders are a must though. So just another fail for 1.2
May 26 23:11:00 <jatt> does vertical mode work with the latest maemo update
May 26 23:11:11 <Ikarus[N900]> rearranging is nice and all but not ideal
May 26 23:11:24 <Ikarus[N900]> guess I'll pick apart catorise
May 26 23:11:28 <jatt> vertical in the maemo browser?
May 26 23:11:39 <BCMM> jatt: portrait mode?
May 26 23:12:02 <jatt> yes
May 26 23:12:10 <BCMM> jatt: if you mean portrait mode, it worked before, and in pr1.2 there is a GUI for it
May 26 23:12:45 <DocScrutinizer> catorize and relatives all miss a simple way for user to arrange (even on a basis like which folder an app should go to) - and the categories of HAM/whatever are braindamages&useless
May 26 23:12:52 <jatt> what is this gui? is there a virtual keyboard for the portrait mode?
May 26 23:14:31 <jjmarin> Finally, PR1.2 bricked my N900. Well done Nokia !!!!
May 26 23:14:44 <DocScrutinizer> who needs a kbd for browsing? XP
May 26 23:15:05 <anonuk> jjmarin: mine too , but i managed to fix it as there was a boot menu installed
May 26 23:15:16 <jatt> e.g. to write search terms in google
May 26 23:15:21 <anonuk> jjmarin: did it reboot in the middle of the update?
May 26 23:15:39 <jjmarin> anonuk: no
May 26 23:15:44 <DocScrutinizer> jatt:just klick the right add ;-P
May 26 23:16:01 <mc_teo> hey
May 26 23:16:31 <jatt> which is the biggest improvement in the new version? i haven't decided to upgrade yet
May 26 23:16:44 <DocScrutinizer> jatt: congrats
May 26 23:16:54 * DocScrutinizer neither
May 26 23:17:04 <brik> why not?
May 26 23:17:14 * DocScrutinizer waits for 1.2.1 :-P
May 26 23:17:24 <jjmarin> Tomorrow I'll bring it to the local Nokia care point
May 26 23:17:32 <DocScrutinizer> 1.2 eats your children and pets
May 26 23:17:42 <brik> good I don't have children or pets then
May 26 23:18:12 <jatt> I am not sure if it pays off. I was expectimg a virtual kbd in portrait mode :)
May 26 23:18:13 <DocScrutinizer> I don't have now, so I don't know how to feed it
May 26 23:18:23 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: it doesn't eat them, it just lets other people eat them! remember pr1.2 fixes world hunger!!
May 26 23:18:38 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, how tricky
May 26 23:18:50 <jjmarin> jjmarin: right it restart continouly, it show the keyboard menu no-hildonized and without any letter and the reboots.... :(
May 26 23:19:14 <jatt> will be a new version for bugfixes?
May 26 23:19:23 <mc_teo> hey
May 26 23:19:23 <DocScrutinizer> 2017
May 26 23:19:45 <DocScrutinizer> though probably with usual dely it'll be 2019
May 26 23:19:48 <mc_teo> is there a nice python sound library available for n900
May 26 23:19:50 <BCMM> hmm
May 26 23:19:54 <jatt> haha
May 26 23:20:00 <javispedro> after all, as I predicted, PR1.2 was released in 2013
May 26 23:20:08 * BCMM is waiting for the next "get kicked for asking about" version
May 26 23:20:20 <javispedro> when is PR1.3 going to be released?
May 26 23:20:32 <javispedro> hm.
May 26 23:20:49 <jatt> after duke nukem forever is relaunched
May 26 23:21:02 <DocScrutinizer> RElaunched
May 26 23:21:19 <DocScrutinizer> = v2.0
May 26 23:21:43 <javispedro> either way, you really should upgrade to PR1.2 as we plan to replace all pr1.0 applications from repositories with viruses.
May 26 23:21:58 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 26 23:22:19 <DocScrutinizer> hasn't that been accomplished yet? WTF! another delay
May 26 23:22:22 <mc_teo> lol
May 26 23:22:25 <javispedro> we found it was the best fix for the entire qt4.6experimental debacle
May 26 23:22:32 <mc_teo> is there a nice python sound library available for n900
May 26 23:22:49 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: your help with the exploding battery part of the virus is really appreciated.
May 26 23:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> yw
May 26 23:23:11 <javispedro> mc_teo: what do you mean for sound library?
May 26 23:23:12 <DocScrutinizer> always a joy to contribute in a creative manner
May 26 23:23:14 <javispedro> plain sound output?
May 26 23:23:18 <javispedro> sound manipulation?
May 26 23:23:33 <javispedro> decoding of mp3/aac files?
May 26 23:23:34 <mc_teo> sound output mostly
May 26 23:23:43 <javispedro> you can use pygame
May 26 23:24:01 <jjmarin> Maemo challenge: Build a cool 1.2 wall with N900 bricks !!!!
May 26 23:24:41 <mc_teo> is that included with qtdev? javispedro
May 26 23:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> did that with Freeruners ;-P
May 26 23:24:54 <javispedro> mc_teo: oh, I think not.. :(
May 26 23:25:18 <javispedro> mc_teo: are you using pyside/pyqt? I'm sure Qt will have some sane class for sound output.
May 26 23:25:38 <mc_teo> i hope so
May 26 23:26:14 <mc_teo> does gcc/g++ use much app space?
May 26 23:26:44 <mc_teo> or should i stick to cross compiling on scratchbox?
May 26 23:26:46 <javispedro> for on-device development? it's much more convenient to use a chroot.
May 26 23:27:16 <DocScrutinizer> mc_teo: ask speedevil / N900evil
May 26 23:27:18 <cure`> so eh, people not really liking 1.2 yet or so?
May 26 23:27:31 <lcuk> i liek it
May 26 23:27:34 <cure`> havent reflashed/upgraded myself yet
May 26 23:27:37 * javispedro likes it too
May 26 23:28:04 <javispedro> well, had a battery-dead-in-the-morning problem this morning, but as usual I tend to blame me...
May 26 23:28:10 * lcuk lieks chocolate milk too
May 26 23:28:13 <shinkamui> oh lord
May 26 23:28:34 <shinkamui> anyone know how to fix the not enough space error in app manager when root has 82% in use, and I have over 90% on opt?
May 26 23:28:36 <mc_teo> N900evil: hi
May 26 23:28:48 <DocScrutinizer> I *might* *possibly* consider to give it a try, if I could go back to 1.1
May 26 23:28:49 <javispedro> One more reason to love chocolate milk and hate Apple.
May 26 23:28:52 <shinkamui> its not a total disaster, can install from the console, but i like to peruse the new apps..
May 26 23:28:56 <xorAxAx> shinkamui: delete random files and pray
May 26 23:29:04 <xorAxAx> "russian file roulette"
May 26 23:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> but a one-way ticket to doom isn't that appealing to me yet
May 26 23:29:20 <xorAxAx> shinkamui: how many MB do you have available?
May 26 23:29:32 <shinkamui> 39.2m on root
May 26 23:29:35 <shinkamui> 170 on opt
May 26 23:29:46 <xorAxAx> thats a bit too few on root
May 26 23:30:06 <xorAxAx> remove a few packages
May 26 23:30:07 <shinkamui> dude, pre the upgrade, I was normally around 96% on root
May 26 23:30:22 <xorAxAx> ah, you did the upgrade already?
May 26 23:30:22 <shinkamui> anyway, I removed nokia maps to free up even that much space
May 26 23:30:24 <shinkamui> and no help
May 26 23:30:28 <xorAxAx> then i dont know
May 26 23:30:29 <shinkamui> xorAxAx, yea, I upgraded
May 26 23:30:37 <shinkamui> this is trying to install a 41k app
May 26 23:30:41 <xorAxAx> maybe you need to pay the HAM fee on ovi
May 26 23:30:43 <shinkamui> its clearly just a problem with app manager
May 26 23:31:02 <xorAxAx> "HAM+    10 EUR"
May 26 23:31:07 <shinkamui> WHAT
May 26 23:31:15 <opdf2> how's 1.2 and erminig? This is my most important app
May 26 23:31:16 <shinkamui> why do I have to pay ovi to use shit from extras
May 26 23:31:34 <shinkamui> those douchers are charging me 15$ for nothing?
May 26 23:31:42 <xorAxAx> you get a better HAM!
May 26 23:31:45 <grishnav> damnit dammnit damnit!
May 26 23:31:54 <shinkamui> I dont get the joke
May 26 23:31:54 <grishnav> i forgot to save my upstart script for openvpn before I flashed
May 26 23:31:55 * grishnav funes
May 26 23:31:58 <shinkamui> if its a joek
May 26 23:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> xorAxAx: you're kidding!
May 26 23:32:05 <shinkamui> if its legit, Im really confused
May 26 23:32:12 <tg> hm, this upgrade is really slow for me 60% in 3h
May 26 23:32:14 * shinkamui starts seeing stars
May 26 23:32:29 <xorAxAx> DocScrutinizer: i am one of those who would also sell the "i'm rich" applications :)
May 26 23:32:51 <DocScrutinizer> sure, thought that HAM+ is your idea
May 26 23:33:22 <xorAxAx> i should apply for a position at nokia to increase revenue :)
May 26 23:34:26 <DocScrutinizer> nah, my idea to send the device in for service by flushing it down the toilet beats your HAM+ with hands tied back
May 26 23:34:44 * javispedro runs to patent office
May 26 23:37:00 <Milhouse> Seems like there might be a post PR1.2 release according to bug 6876, which is bloody good news.
May 26 23:37:01 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6876 Birthday appears in the day before
May 26 23:37:54 <javispedro> Milhouse: oh, do not trust. we never got to see some the update containing some of the late bug fixes for diablo
May 26 23:38:11 <javispedro> but more updates are to be expected.
May 26 23:38:29 * javispedro goes get a dyslexic shirt.
May 26 23:38:32 <DocScrutinizer> introducing more nice lovely regressions
May 26 23:38:51 <pigeon> hmm, weird, for some reasons my extras-devel repo url has become fremantle-1.2 (which doesn't exist) instead of fremantle, is that normal?
May 26 23:39:05 * DocScrutinizer starts to sell "3" patches for all those "fixed in 1.2" shirts out there
May 26 23:39:07 <Milhouse> Would be nice if they just hit the annoying, apparently trivial bugs... something for the summer intern to work on.
May 26 23:39:09 <javispedro> pigeon: no.
May 26 23:39:27 <pigeon> i see there is fremantle-1.2 for extras, but not extras-devel
May 26 23:39:47 <javispedro> Milhouse: that one isn't trivial..
May 26 23:40:19 <Milhouse> which one, bug 6876? Showing a birth date on the right day? Righto... ;)
May 26 23:40:38 * javispedro hates date manipulation
May 26 23:40:43 <Milhouse> Wouldn't surprise me if the calendar has a cocked up leap year algorithm.
May 26 23:41:12 <DocScrutinizer> Milhouse: you're not the first one suspecting this
May 26 23:42:13 <Milhouse> BUT, the biggest failing is that this bug, which appears trivial, but even if not it's criminal for a calendar app to contain and not be picked up in testing, was opened in Dec 09... WTF?
May 26 23:42:38 <javispedro> ah, time to repeat my story with eduroam
May 26 23:42:51 <Milhouse> Makes you wonder how the prioritisation system works at Nokia - a browser that can't browse, SHIP IT!!!
May 26 23:42:53 <javispedro> wake me up when the bug is two-three years old.
May 26 23:43:00 <javispedro> as that is my personal record :)
May 26 23:43:26 <pwnguin> Milhouse: well, they did fix USSD
May 26 23:43:28 <pwnguin> which is kinda nice
May 26 23:43:29 <Milhouse> was that just it's age, or how long it took to fix - reckon I can best that easy! :)
May 26 23:44:14 <Milhouse> pwnguin: yeah, seemed pretty necessary though in for people to use the device... then again showing dates in a calendar? Hmm... /rubs chin
May 26 23:44:26 <pwnguin> its just birthdays, no?
May 26 23:46:04 <Milhouse> I guess, although I somewhat distrust anything with such a basic failing so would be disinclined to trust Calendar with anything more important.
May 26 23:46:38 <pwnguin> its not a failing, its a feature
May 26 23:46:48 <pwnguin> they give you 24 hours to find a last minute present
May 26 23:47:08 <Milhouse> :)
May 26 23:47:14 <javispedro> you TRUST calendar???
May 26 23:47:24 <pwnguin> well
May 26 23:47:26 <javispedro> oh god.
May 26 23:47:40 <pwnguin> i trust exchange which syncs the calendar
May 26 23:47:46 <javispedro> didn't you get the "all appointments shown in the widget are pretty much randomly selected" issue
May 26 23:47:49 <DocScrutinizer> pwnguin: fine, they obviously had to reflash the modem fw for that. Seems they introduced a bug this way, which kills the contacts app on certain contact specifics stored on the sim
May 26 23:47:52 <Milhouse> javispedro: yeah I know, what WAS I thinking! :)
May 26 23:48:02 <tuliobaars> Hello, people!
May 26 23:48:12 <javispedro> I really loved knowing that I would go on holiday on july. Of course I really hated missing my next final exam!!
May 26 23:48:29 <Milhouse> javispedro: i did get some that showed up on the right date, but it was a bit random as to when they disappeared.
May 26 23:49:09 <Milhouse> javispedro: don't expried tasks now remain on the current day (was that a fix in this release or an outstanding issue?) must admit I've stopped using it because it's, well, sh1t.
May 26 23:49:22 <DocScrutinizer> but MAJOR FAIL is: you can not go back to pr1.1 (or has that been fixed?)
May 26 23:49:52 <Milhouse> docscrutinizer: think that's because of the radio isn't it? or something like that. probably should be allowed to regress though.
May 26 23:49:59 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: no. either way, I can only think of one reason to want to go back: keyboard and/or categorise, and all of them should be easy to overwrite.
May 26 23:50:01 <Milhouse> s/regress/revert/g
May 26 23:50:01 <infobot> Milhouse meant: docscrutinizer: think that's because of the radio isn't it? or something like that. probably should be allowed to revert though.
May 26 23:50:08 <javispedro> so make that two reasons :P
May 26 23:50:17 <pwnguin> i have to ask: how long ago was USSD introduced?
May 26 23:50:44 <DocScrutinizer> Milhouse: it IS because of modem FW. And it CAN NOT be reverted
May 26 23:50:45 <Milhouse> pwnguin: in general or on the n900? about 24 hours ago for the latter, probably since the dawn of GSM for the former.
May 26 23:50:46 <pwnguin> they seemed kinda surprised at the thought that people might use it
May 26 23:51:19 <javispedro> pwnguin: you surprised? PAP stands for Plain Authentication Protocol. Yep -- the most simple of the protocols. Two years.
May 26 23:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> Milhouse: as Nokia decided to integrate a bullshit nto the modem fw not allowing to downgrade
May 26 23:51:42 <Milhouse> pwnguin: can't believe they're that stupid, so think that was just a cover for the lack of developent time/resources prior to launch.
May 26 23:51:49 <javispedro> so One year for USSD codes which are way more complex is neat. Consider yourself lucky!
May 26 23:52:07 <pwnguin> im not sure what PAP is
May 26 23:52:23 <pwnguin> or if ive ever used it =/
May 26 23:52:25 <Milhouse> USSD codes have been around a lot longer than 1-2 years, surely
May 26 23:52:27 <javispedro> aka the eduroam bug.
May 26 23:52:40 <pwnguin> but im pretty sure that encryption is waaaaaaay harder than you're making it sound
May 26 23:52:46 <Milhouse> USSD is all for PAYG stuff, right?
May 26 23:52:50 <javispedro> encryption? authentication.
May 26 23:52:59 <lcuk> barkeep, i'd like a tall glass of your strongest whiskey please.
May 26 23:53:09 <lcuk> and leave me the rest of the barrel
May 26 23:53:12 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: IIRC it's been found it's possible to reflash the modem IIRC
May 26 23:53:25 <jaska> cask-strength by the pint
May 26 23:53:26 * javispedro gives lcuk some and invites him to the party
May 26 23:53:28 <DocScrutinizer> USSD ?? you're kidding? it's part of 1980 GSM specs
May 26 23:53:36 <lcuk> javispedro, which party
May 26 23:53:51 <javispedro> the complain party, of course! :)
May 26 23:53:57 <pwnguin> Milhouse: USSD is used for more than PAYG. i saw a guy talk about his translation service that ran over USSD
May 26 23:54:29 <pwnguin> DocScrutinizer: which is why i wonder, how do you find a modem that doesn't support it?
May 26 23:54:42 <Milhouse> pwnguin: right, just querying it's age - PAYG has been around for many years.
May 26 23:54:44 <DocScrutinizer> USSD and its relative are used for controlling services since the beginning of (GSM) times
May 26 23:54:55 <Milhouse> Doc: Thought so.
May 26 23:55:22 <lcuk> javispedro well its been interesting to see just how different people have made their filesystems since we last updated
May 26 23:55:36 <DocScrutinizer> pwnguin: becuase it's a modem and not a phone?
May 26 23:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> who needs call redirect on busy, for a modem? :-o
May 26 23:56:05 <pwnguin> DocScrutinizer: i guess that makes some amount of sense
May 26 23:56:10 <pwnguin> heh
May 26 23:56:12 <Milhouse> Question: Anyone using Google Mail with Nokia Messaging here?
May 26 23:56:28 <Milhouse> (on the N900, obviously!)
May 26 23:56:41 <pwnguin> Nokia Messaging == telepathy?
May 26 23:56:43 <pwnguin> or the email app?
May 26 23:56:53 <Milhouse> Emai
May 26 23:56:56 <Milhouse> Email
May 26 23:57:15 <Milhouse> With Nokia Messaging you get push email from Google
May 26 23:57:16 <pwnguin> i was using gmail by way of IMAP but for the last few months its refused to authenticate
May 26 23:57:26 <pwnguin> probably in part because i changed my password last month
May 26 23:57:36 <Milhouse> Hmmm... just wondering how many spam notifications you are getting on the device?
May 26 23:57:44 <pwnguin> none
May 26 23:57:46 <Milhouse> or were
May 26 23:57:52 <Milhouse> Shit, I get loads
May 26 23:58:03 <pwnguin> well
May 26 23:58:13 <pwnguin> are you using the exchange like tool?
May 26 23:58:27 <javispedro> lcuk: but you know this, the more you keep a system without updating it, the more customized and hard to update it gets :)
May 26 23:58:42 <pwnguin> there's an MfE app that lets you set up which folders to care about
May 26 23:58:44 <Milhouse> It seems that Nokia Messaging is monitoring "All Mail" rather than Inbox, so when spam arrives and is labeled as SPAM, I still get a new mail notification - and when you go to read it, it's not there (as it's been re-labeled)
May 26 23:59:09 <Milhouse> pwnguin: No, I'm using Nokia Messaging and have configured it with one Google Mail account/IMAP
May 26 23:59:27 <pwnguin> mfe ties into nokia messaging?
May 26 23:59:41 <pwnguin> ie, i have gmail and exchange in the mail app
May 26 23:59:41 <Milhouse> pwnguin - maybe, not sure why I need MfE though
May 26 23:59:56 <pwnguin> calendar
May 27 00:00:04 <Milhouse> See above :)
May 27 00:00:16 <pwnguin> mine works fine
May 27 00:00:18 <lcuk> sure javispedro
May 27 00:00:19 <Milhouse> Maybe when Calendar can handle dates better I'll revisit that. :)
May 27 00:00:35 <pwnguin> by dates you mean one niggling feature within contacts
May 27 00:01:11 <Milhouse> pwnguin: I'm saying it's a suspect app that falls down at it's most basic task
May 27 00:01:17 <DocScrutinizer> btw push "thanks"on an arbitrary tmo post of DocScrutinizer if you like USSD, as without me asking konttori about it here in IRC it probably would have failed to get into 1.2 even
May 27 00:01:18 <pwnguin> i just don't buy this "if its not visibly bug free i cant be sure that's all the bugs there are!"
May 27 00:01:35 <SpeedEvil> Oh - USSD is in by default? Nice
May 27 00:02:15 <SpeedEvil> Well - if trivially obvious bugs are visible - it raises the question of the quality of the code, and the code review.
May 27 00:02:16 <Milhouse> pwnguin: truth is I don't *need* to use it (Calendar) so won't make the effort when it's broken at such a basic level - obviously Nokia didn't make any effort to test it either
May 27 00:02:34 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: full ack
May 27 00:02:46 <pwnguin> obviously nokia focused all their effort on microsoft exchange support
May 27 00:02:51 <pwnguin> which is nice, because i have it at work
May 27 00:03:06 <xorAxAx> jehovas witnesses infiltrated nokia and reprogrammed the calendar
May 27 00:03:10 <Milhouse> Whereas nobody has birthdays :)
May 27 00:03:24 <pwnguin> not on my phone they dont
May 27 00:03:38 <Milhouse> Meanie :)
May 27 00:03:58 <xorAxAx> yes, no witness witnesses birthdays, and moving them by one day does effectively that :)
May 27 00:04:28 <DocScrutinizer> xorAxAx: "apocalypse is always one day nearer than you think it is!" ?? ;-P
May 27 00:04:35 <javispedro> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
May 27 00:04:47 <pwnguin> anyways, im surprisd that i actually got to OTA update this time
May 27 00:04:50 <javispedro> they removed the left/right swipe to go to next month in calendar!!!!
May 27 00:04:59 <javispedro> that's it!! I'm buying an iPhone.
May 27 00:05:04 <xorAxAx> haha
May 27 00:05:06 <tuliobaars> Hello people! Is the n810 dead?
May 27 00:05:11 <derf> Yes.
May 27 00:05:18 <Mousey> long live the n810!
May 27 00:05:18 <xorAxAx> tuliobaars: yes, it doesnt have an atom cpu
May 27 00:05:23 <GAN900> Howdy, Milhouse.
May 27 00:05:56 <derf> I still use my N810 more than my N900.
May 27 00:06:01 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: 1.2 fanboy's penalty ;-P
May 27 00:06:21 <pwnguin> does the n900 pair with BT keyboards?
May 27 00:07:06 <DocScrutinizer> anyway it's absolutely amazing how the number of regressions seems way larger than the number of fixed bugs
May 27 00:07:46 <ManoftheSea> pwnguin: it can
May 27 00:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> which btw I seen happening in a similar way for OM SHR distro
May 27 00:08:27 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: interestingly enough they also kept changing Gtk<->Qt<->Enlightment didn't them? :)
May 27 00:08:37 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 27 00:08:44 <xorAxAx> pwnguin: yes, except those sold by nokia (not kidding!)
May 27 00:08:44 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: With not enough communication with community.
May 27 00:09:04 <xorAxAx> BTDT, failed miserably
May 27 00:09:23 <Termana> good morning
May 27 00:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> xorAxAx: WTF?!
May 27 00:09:58 <xorAxAx> i have a SU-8W lying here and it was unusable
May 27 00:10:43 * DocScrutinizer wanders off, sobbing
May 27 00:11:16 <tuliobaars> a old history: wayfinder error in n810?
May 27 00:11:22 <tuliobaars> any answer?
May 27 00:12:27 <lcuk2> javispedro, just spent sometime with user who did full complete ssu but ended up with boxes on bootup - he had no /opt mountbind at all!  tho everything else had happened
May 27 00:12:56 <javispedro> uh.
May 27 00:12:58 <lcuk2> turned out his rcS-late and system-services package hadnt been updated because he had modified it (and its a conf file)
May 27 00:13:12 <lcuk2> still dont know whether hes reflashing
May 27 00:13:18 <lcuk2> think he might be ok actually
May 27 00:13:33 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: (SHR) nota bene SHR is somewhat like OM's mer
May 27 00:13:37 <tuliobaars> do yoo know? when i'm goin to get a 7day trial it happens a network error! every tiem! why?
May 27 00:13:56 <lcuk2> tuliobaars, a 7 day trial of what?
May 27 00:14:12 <DocScrutinizer> while OM2008.xx OM2009.xx were like PRx.y
May 27 00:14:23 <b-man> *sigh* i wish people on talk.maemo.org would use the wiki more often :P
May 27 00:14:27 <javispedro> lcuk2: some moments ago was someone here who said that "rm -r /opt" fixed his system =) I wonder what will happen when he tries to run any app.
May 27 00:14:28 <tuliobaars> wayfinder, sorryu]
May 27 00:14:40 <javispedro> (well, no need to guess)
May 27 00:14:44 <lcuk> javispedro, :O
May 27 00:14:47 <javispedro> tuliobaars: ah, wayfinder is dead :(
May 27 00:14:52 <lcuk> tuliobaars, the servers are offline :(
May 27 00:14:58 <lcuk> my tracy misses Todd also
May 27 00:15:01 <javispedro> tuliobaars: if you didn't download the maps previously you're gonna have a hard time..
May 27 00:15:03 <lcuk> "at the traffic circle"
May 27 00:15:13 <lcuk> its not the maps javispedro
May 27 00:15:15 <lcuk> its the license
May 27 00:15:19 <tuliobaars> i know, but i don't know how to use maemo mapper...but i still have the maps
May 27 00:15:21 <javispedro> oh
May 27 00:15:32 <javispedro> my license is still up to 2011
May 27 00:15:34 <lcuk> cant enter nav mode unlicense
May 27 00:15:35 <lcuk> d
May 27 00:15:40 <tuliobaars> i need a 7 day trial, so I crack it even 7 day I need
May 27 00:16:18 <javispedro> oh, so I won't be able to retrieve license file if I flash the n8x0.
May 27 00:16:25 * javispedro backups it.
May 27 00:17:16 <DocScrutinizer> forget online licence shit
May 27 00:17:23 <DocScrutinizer> see where it gets you
May 27 00:17:34 <pigeon> hmm, does anyone know the diff with account-plugin-haze and telepathy-extras?
May 27 00:18:53 <pigeon> ah, never mind... found the diff, telepathy-extras is a meta package.
May 27 00:18:56 <tuliobaars> i need that license or a good gps app
May 27 00:18:56 <DocScrutinizer> date limited lincences for a software are criminal and insane
May 27 00:19:29 <DocScrutinizer> locking down software to a hardware is exactly as criminal
May 27 00:19:58 <SpeedEvil> Date limited licenses - that are not explicitly sold as such are criminal.
May 27 00:20:08 <SpeedEvil> I have much less problem with explicitly sold stuff.
May 27 00:20:42 <tuliobaars> sorry, i didn't understand
May 27 00:20:50 <DocScrutinizer> I pay for it - you give me the whole cake. I don't care watermarks, but licence for a limited time, or a particular device? NO THANKS
May 27 00:20:51 <tuliobaars> crack it is a criminal action?
May 27 00:21:22 <tuliobaars> okok, i just wanna resolve how can I activate the 7-day trial on Way finder!
May 27 00:22:27 <tuliobaars> license failed: network error, pls try again later
May 27 00:22:33 <tuliobaars> unknown error
May 27 00:22:49 <DocScrutinizer> SCREWIT
May 27 00:23:13 <joga> nice that the url clicking problem (when hw keyb is closed) in the terminal is fixed
May 27 00:23:45 <DocScrutinizer> url clicking in terminal?? o.O
May 27 00:23:45 <njsf_> re
May 27 00:23:58 * njsf_ is doing the restore after the 1.2 reflash
May 27 00:24:10 <tuliobaars> no, on the MAP app on app list?!
May 27 00:24:13 <SpeedEvil> you can click on URLs in osso-xterm
May 27 00:24:30 <tuliobaars> but it doesn't give me any URL's
May 27 00:24:31 <b-man> it's stupid to have a limited-time license for something you payed for :P
May 27 00:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: INCREEEDIBLE
May 27 00:25:15 <tuliobaars> I Agree
May 27 00:25:48 * SpeedEvil has no 8810, so has little clue.
May 27 00:25:51 <SpeedEvil> 810
May 27 00:25:52 <DocScrutinizer> b-man: see my rant above
May 27 00:26:24 <tuliobaars> so, how can i resolve this???
May 27 00:26:34 <tuliobaars> editing any .conf ???
May 27 00:26:54 <joga> I see maps has 3D now
May 27 00:26:57 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: yea they sould three-year licenses.
May 27 00:27:02 <javispedro> *sold.
May 27 00:27:16 <DocScrutinizer> b-man: if they revoke my right to use their software, can I then revoke my money I paid for it? :-P
May 27 00:27:39 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: In some cases, yes.
May 27 00:27:52 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: will vary depednign on the jurisdiction.
May 27 00:28:02 <joga> ...except it doesn't work with night mode
May 27 00:29:42 <tuliobaars> sorry, but yoo dunnot answer my question! (sorry, i'm dying tuse that GPS)
May 27 00:29:43 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: fsck jurisdiction, that's clearly a case to be settled by LART
May 27 00:29:46 <SpeedEvil> Oh yeah - that reminds me - I haven't tried maps since boot.
May 27 00:29:58 <SpeedEvil> tuliobaars: Well - sorry - we're not being paid to do this.
May 27 00:30:26 <b-man> DocScrutinizer: revoking your rights to use that software for no real reason when you payed for it is very unreasonable - i'd complain
May 27 00:30:31 <SpeedEvil> tuliobaars: And seemingly nobody that's awake and active - maybe a dozen people - knows the answer.
May 27 00:30:59 <pigeon> hmm, for msn there are like 3 plugins, haze, butterfly, and pecan, anyone knows their diff?
May 27 00:31:22 <tuliobaars> ok, i wait. And, is there any Maemo 4 or N810 or OS2008 irc channel?
May 27 00:31:32 <SpeedEvil> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/17/software_liability_analysis/ DocScrutinizer is interesting.
May 27 00:31:33 <tuliobaars> exclusively
May 27 00:31:39 <SpeedEvil> tuliobaars: Unfortunately not.
May 27 00:31:59 <SpeedEvil> tuliobaars:   It would have made sense to create one - perhaps back in september - but nobody did.
May 27 00:32:00 <javispedro> tuliobaars: there's a forum though. http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=29
May 27 00:32:22 <tuliobaars> how can I create an IRC channel?
May 27 00:33:17 <tuliobaars> ok, bybye
May 27 00:33:24 <tuliobaars> see you later
May 27 00:33:28 <joga> SpeedEvil: maps is more usable now, slowly getting somewhere..
May 27 00:33:58 <SpeedEvil> Oooh. Did it have a 'satellite view' before?
May 27 00:34:10 <joga> no
May 27 00:34:14 <javispedro> yes.
May 27 00:34:14 <joga> or uh, yeah
May 27 00:34:21 <joga> but no 3D or night
May 27 00:34:28 <javispedro> it had 3d.
May 27 00:34:28 <SpeedEvil> \Ah
May 27 00:34:37 * SpeedEvil finds another bug to file.
May 27 00:34:43 <joga> and route search is a bit better (but why pink?)
May 27 00:34:53 <SpeedEvil> I guess it's using yahoo tiles.
May 27 00:35:02 <javispedro> probably nokia's own tileserver
May 27 00:35:03 <pigeon> hmm funny, now i have two "Facebook" account types...
May 27 00:35:09 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: probably
May 27 00:35:12 <javispedro> maps.ovi.com iirc
May 27 00:35:17 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: But the dataset looks very like landsat
May 27 00:35:18 <javispedro> yep.
May 27 00:35:32 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: here - which is 15m resolution - as used by yahoo here
May 27 00:36:02 <SpeedEvil> And zooming in simply endlessly says 'downloading'
May 27 00:36:24 <javispedro> in this country everyone uses the same tileset
May 27 00:36:42 <joga> maep is a nice program, it's simple and fast to use and you can select from many maps, I noticed it also knows the public transport routes
May 27 00:36:59 <javispedro> was provided by government for free iirc, also not satellite imaginary
May 27 00:37:00 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (red sky) heya, the future of FOSS is bright :-)
May 27 00:37:27 <joga> if I need to check where I am, it's a lot faster than maps but more useful than the location widget :)
May 27 00:37:31 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: don't sell a product, just sell a service
May 27 00:37:36 <Pavlov> anyone know about the variant repository/key stuff on maemo?
May 27 00:38:32 <SpeedEvil> joga: I use osm2go - but...
May 27 00:38:33 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 27 00:38:51 * DocScrutinizer sets up lawsuit against nokia, failing to deliver bugfree 1.2 ;-P
May 27 00:41:14 <DocScrutinizer> hey guys - just kidding. Don't hush :-D
May 27 00:41:49 * ljp grumbles
May 27 00:42:17 <javispedro> friendly note: "Users joining DocScrutinizet's class action will be kicked and permanently banned from #maemo"
May 27 00:42:24 <javispedro> argh, sorry for the typo.
May 27 00:43:06 * DocScrutinizer kicks javispedro for typo
May 27 00:43:49 <DocScrutinizer> ljp: things going wrong?
May 27 00:45:12 <DocScrutinizer> btw to keep you: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/17/software_liability_analysis/
May 27 00:45:14 <ljp> nope
May 27 00:46:05 <ljp> just.. if maemo5 was built on Qt, it'd have no bugs :)
May 27 00:46:16 <jebba> there anyway to use the "main" camera for google video calls instead of the "small" one?
May 27 00:46:17 <DocScrutinizer> actually it seems it's an unbearable risk to sell software *products* at all
May 27 00:46:59 <djcaston> ljp, how is qt a part of 1.2? cause i know it plays a pretty big part
May 27 00:47:28 <DocScrutinizer> jebba: given it's probably just a "1" vs a "0" somewhere in a strin like "...video0", I'd say you for sure could patch it
May 27 00:47:56 <jebba> heh. DocScrutinizer ya for sure like that somehow... But if there was a normal way to do it....
May 27 00:48:21 <DocScrutinizer> a lil more normal would be to swap the device names
May 27 00:48:30 <DocScrutinizer> in /dev/* or whatever
May 27 00:48:57 <jebba> that might lead to other problems though, like opening the cover would trigger for wrong device.
May 27 00:49:01 <DocScrutinizer> sane method would be a decent GUI to select on video input
May 27 00:49:14 <jebba> ya exactly. :)
May 27 00:49:27 <DocScrutinizer> jebba: (other problems) exactly
May 27 00:50:13 <DocScrutinizer> nice catch to open the cam cover and then take a shot of your own face XP
May 27 00:51:06 <jebba> hah
May 27 00:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> jebba: synthesis: patch that to "2" in telepahty/whatever, and use a symlink you easily can change to whatever meets your needs
May 27 00:51:55 <javispedro> hm
May 27 00:52:17 <jebba> perhaps just a dbus command will do it
May 27 00:52:17 <javispedro> I kinda remember a config file for choosing the camera
May 27 00:52:25 <javispedro> but that was camera-ui iirc
May 27 00:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> damn, so the mirror shot cam is no fictive joke? \o/
May 27 00:53:45 * DocScrutinizer mumbles gconftool + another few similarly nasty swearwords
May 27 00:55:51 <opdf2> If I don't have enough rootfs space for OTA, will it prevent me from DL in the beginning, or after a long download?
May 27 00:57:11 <DocScrutinizer51> beginning
May 27 00:57:12 <SpeedEvil> Hmm. Why might tcpdump say:
May 27 00:57:33 <SpeedEvil> tcpdump -i wlan0 dst 80
May 27 00:57:33 <SpeedEvil> tcpdump: WARNING: can't create rx ring on packet socket 3: 92-Protocol not available
May 27 00:57:39 <shinkamui> well
May 27 00:57:43 <shinkamui> you're better off than I am
May 27 00:57:46 <shinkamui> I have plenty of space
May 27 00:57:55 <shinkamui> but appmanager wont let me download even a 41k app
May 27 00:58:21 <shinkamui> every freeking ota update leads to some stupid little problem, usually one thats not big enough to warrant a reflash
May 27 00:59:15 <javispedro> oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !
May 27 00:59:43 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: strange
May 27 01:00:32 <opdf2> anyone else get a quick error message during OTA?
May 27 01:04:56 <jebba1> DocScrutinizer i dont see anything in gconf that is relevant
May 27 01:08:16 <opdf2> k looks like downloading started with ~47 mb free rootfs
May 27 01:24:41 <DocScrutinizer> jebba1: was just a blind guess
May 27 01:26:23 * ShadowJK ponders how long to delay updating
May 27 01:27:30 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Worked for me with no problems.
May 27 01:31:22 <spinningcompass> What's the /dev entry for the SHDC external memory card of the Nokia N810?
May 27 01:53:14 <SpeedEvil> How can I get the media player to output through the video adaptor to an audio device?
May 27 01:53:28 <SpeedEvil> That is - the L and R stereo are plugged in
May 27 01:53:36 <SpeedEvil> it stays in speaker mode
May 27 01:56:17 <DocScrutinizer51> humm
May 27 01:56:38 <DocScrutinizer51> short the yellow rca jack
May 27 01:57:14 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil:
May 27 02:00:50 <opdf2> cool 1.2 installed
May 27 02:01:15 <opdf2> backup app makes it so easy to reinstall apps
May 27 02:02:30 <DocScrutinizer51> though I have to admit I don't understand why it doesn't recognize the AV cable as just that, an AV cable - and switches to AV mode delivering audio and video to the 3.5mm receptacle
May 27 02:03:38 <MNX1024> Anyone tried meego out yet?
May 27 02:03:57 <microlith> that reminds me
May 27 02:04:01 * microlith fires up the aspire one
May 27 02:04:06 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway shorting the video/mic ring to gnd (yellow RCA) should signal a plain headphone
May 27 02:04:18 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yeah - I remembered the schematic, and did that.
May 27 02:05:50 <LiraNuna> woot PR1.2
May 27 02:06:00 <LiraNuna> anyone noticed they have revised the touch interface?
May 27 02:06:09 <LiraNuna> you can no longer swipe to open top panels :(
May 27 02:06:14 <LiraNuna> must be a tap
May 27 02:07:16 <microlith> top panels?
May 27 02:07:35 <LiraNuna> application dropdown panel
May 27 02:07:38 <LiraNuna> and global one
May 27 02:07:39 <microlith> oh
May 27 02:08:09 <microlith> didn't know it responded like that
May 27 02:08:14 <microlith> I've always just tapped
May 27 02:08:31 * microlith shoves meego into his ubuntu VM
May 27 02:08:36 <skynets> DocScrutinizer, what? class action lawsuit?
May 27 02:08:40 <LiraNuna> I liked swiping, it felt more natural
May 27 02:08:45 <LiraNuna> as if you "pull" the menu down
May 27 02:09:09 <microlith> LiraNuna: yeah, I can see that. Seems like it would be more useful with a capacitive screen though
May 27 02:09:24 <DocScrutinizer51> skynets: don't take everything you read for a true fact
May 27 02:09:31 <LiraNuna> it used to work fine, they "fixed" it, it seems
May 27 02:09:50 <skynets> ok so its only small claims?
May 27 02:12:36 <LiraNuna> any more 'secret fixes' on PR1.2?
May 27 02:13:32 <skynets> im still getting wrong times
May 27 02:13:38 <skynets> when i recieve smses
May 27 02:36:17 <opdf2> anyone also getting problems with shortcutd in 1.2?
May 27 02:37:46 <pigeon> hmm since i upgraded to 1.2, i started getting smses from this "My Nokia" thing... anyone knows if that will cost me? :)
May 27 02:38:25 <pupnik_> 2 euro and i tell u the answer
May 27 02:40:15 <pigeon> right... silly me, it's mentioned in the terms and conditions of My Nokia...
May 27 02:40:18 <pigeon> thanks
May 27 02:52:45 <opdf2> hmmm are there updated repos?
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