**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 27 02:59:57 2010
May 27 03:03:20 <rockydd> anyone is using maemo mapper? I have a problem to use google maps
May 27 03:34:43 <hardaker> my qt mail checking application is much nicer under 1.2, but they screwed up the highlight font.
May 27 03:34:45 <hardaker> it's now dark on dark
May 27 03:50:52 <greenfly> hmmm CPU constantly pegged (xorg and rtcom-message-ui) after PR1.2 update
May 27 03:52:22 <dougt_> is thumb code still supported w/ the 1.2 ROM on the n900s?
May 27 04:12:18 <Ikarus> hrm, no one yet wrote a little nagios desktop applet for the N900 ?
May 27 04:12:49 <asj> Ikarus: have you tried magios?
May 27 04:13:19 <Ikarus> you mean maegios
May 27 04:13:27 <Ikarus> doesn't quit seem to embrace the style I want
May 27 04:14:25 <asj> why do people ask "Is there an app for X in maemo" when they want to say "I've tried app X and I [don't like it|it doesn't do what I want|it looks ugly] is there anything else?"
May 27 04:14:36 <Ikarus> asj: no, I just found it and looked at it :)
May 27 04:14:43 <iPeter-> how to put video on skype call?
May 27 04:15:19 <Ikarus> asj: up to that point I believed maegios was just a teaser as the google result implied
May 27 04:15:56 <asj> Ikarus: I'm not picking on your alone, it's just happended a couple times in the last few days
May 27 04:16:58 <iPeter-> I found, nothing anymore
May 27 04:17:22 <Ikarus> ah well, got to run, work and all, meh
May 27 04:24:42 <ZogG_N900> hey
May 27 04:25:20 <ZogG_N900> so meego core for N900 is ready )
May 27 04:25:39 <ZogG_N900> hope some test UI is comming soon
May 27 04:35:30 <iPeter-> Hey, i found "an-droid theme for n900" from "AppWatch" ther was repository history and downloaded it from that way. Now i cant find it from anywhere to give it to my friend
May 27 04:35:54 <opdf2> finally I can delete new emails
May 27 04:39:39 <iPeter-> Is there any way to refresh mediaplayer, it doesnt regonize my vids or music
May 27 04:46:45 <MiXu-> iPeter-: It'll take a few minutes
May 27 04:47:07 <iPeter-> booted phone and removed battery, worked.
May 27 05:14:18 * RST38h yawns
May 27 05:14:28 <RST38h> EHLO HUMANS
May 27 05:15:42 <Termana> RST38h, HELLO ROBOT
May 27 05:15:50 <Termana> sudo make me a sandwich
May 27 05:16:47 <Cy8aer> Termana: http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/comic.php?content_id=88
May 27 05:18:05 <Termana> Cy8aer, heh :P I hadn't seen that one
May 27 05:19:42 <RST38h> DESTROY DESTROY
May 27 05:21:31 * tekojo tickles RST38h with a feather
May 27 05:29:00 <RST38h> OMG, it has been 8 hours and POP3 account still works
May 27 05:29:36 <Stskeeps> modest was fixed?
May 27 05:29:38 <Stskeeps> scary shit
May 27 05:29:52 <RST38h> Stskeeps: hush, don't scare it off =)
May 27 05:29:58 <Xisdibik> morning Stskeeps
May 27 05:30:01 <Stskeeps> morn
May 27 05:30:19 <RST38h> Stskeeps: keyboard language switch still broken though =
May 27 05:30:31 <Stskeeps> i'd say hack it but that part isn't oss..
May 27 05:30:32 <Stskeeps> :P
May 27 05:30:44 <RST38h> Actually, it is easily hackable
May 27 05:31:00 <Xisdibik> not sure if this was with the update, or just a fluke or something i changed long ago, but forgot now,   When i reply to an email in Modest, it has the original message and the cursor is on the front part of it.   and I dont want that.
May 27 05:31:02 <RST38h> I have found the gconf value that sets the hw keyboard layout
May 27 05:31:13 <RST38h> changing it from "en" to "ru" and back does the trick
May 27 05:31:30 <Xisdibik> Stskeeps: do you know if there is a way to disable including the original message in a reply email in modest?
May 27 05:31:34 <RST38h> Now only need to find a way to listen to keyboard events, globally
May 27 05:31:53 <Stskeeps> Xisdibik: no idea, my general opinion is that modest is too broke to fix
May 27 05:31:54 <Stskeeps> :P
May 27 05:32:05 <Xisdibik> Stskeeps: lol
May 27 05:32:07 <RST38h> Anyways, work.
May 27 05:32:17 <Xisdibik> anyone else know if that can be disabled in modest?
May 27 05:35:16 * lucent eyeballs Maemo 5 10.2010.19-1.002 update @ 113.6MB
May 27 05:39:30 <tybollt> lala
May 27 05:42:09 <Corsac> ok, video call between empathy and n900 fails with “codec negotiation failed”
May 27 05:42:10 <Corsac> too bad
May 27 05:42:51 <tybollt> you need to call in a mediator
May 27 05:42:59 <Corsac> :)
May 27 05:43:13 <tybollt> negotiate a truce
May 27 05:43:14 <tybollt> ;)
May 27 05:43:43 <tybollt> Corsac: anyway if you install extras codec - does that help?
May 27 05:44:40 <Corsac> I have them installed, it doesn't seem to work
May 27 05:44:49 <tybollt> :-/
May 27 05:45:05 <Corsac> afaiui it uses farsight on the n900 side?
May 27 05:45:38 <tybollt> I have no idea  sorry
May 27 05:45:50 <Termana> Corsac, thats your problem
May 27 05:45:55 <Termana> you need normalsight
May 27 05:46:02 <Termana> otherwise its unseeable
May 27 05:46:06 <Corsac> gnagnagna
May 27 05:46:10 <tybollt> ja
May 27 05:46:13 <Termana> :P
May 27 05:46:22 <tybollt> farTsight... gets rather smelly too
May 27 05:46:23 <tybollt> :(
May 27 05:46:36 <tybollt> ok this is silly :)
May 27 05:49:31 <Corsac> erf
May 27 05:50:00 <Corsac> http://paste.debian.net/75007/
May 27 05:51:15 <Stskeeps> what did you expect, theora? ;)
May 27 05:53:45 <Corsac> Stskeeps: yes
May 27 05:54:22 <Stskeeps> Corsac: was it you who was into xfce4 on moblin?
May 27 05:54:27 <Corsac> http://www.tester.ca/2010/05/25/n900-video-calls-skype-too/ seems to say that it's h264 only
May 27 05:54:30 <Corsac> Stskeeps: yes
May 27 05:54:37 <Corsac> well
May 27 05:54:42 <Corsac> depends on what you mean by “into”
May 27 05:55:16 <Stskeeps> well, there was someone who was maintaining packages of xfce4 somewhere :P
May 27 05:56:13 <Corsac> hhm, then it might be sofar
May 27 05:56:38 <Corsac> I maintain Xfce packages in Debian, but didn't do anything for moblin
May 27 05:56:40 <Stskeeps> ah
May 27 05:56:45 <Stskeeps> had to put it in context :)
May 27 05:57:14 <pigeon> Corsac: oh, thanks.
May 27 05:57:32 <Corsac> for? h264 stuff?
May 27 05:57:41 <pigeon> Corsac: for maintaining xfce :)
May 27 05:57:46 <Corsac> ha :)
May 27 05:58:00 <Stskeeps> Corsac: preparing my n810 port of meego with xfce4 atm for first public .ks release :P
May 27 05:58:00 <pigeon> i use debian and xfce :)
May 27 05:58:08 <Corsac> Stskeeps: woot
May 27 05:58:46 <Stskeeps> still some way to go to M0 but stil..
May 27 05:58:54 <Corsac> Stskeeps: I plan to look at the 1.0 meego core to put on the touchbook, too, so that'll mean Xfce until there's a way to do GL stuff on it
May 27 05:59:02 <Corsac> so I guess you ks might be helpful too :)
May 27 05:59:06 <tybollt> bop @ Stskeeps
May 27 05:59:13 <tybollt> Stskeeps: KDE ftw!!!!1111
May 27 05:59:22 <Stskeeps> Corsac: managed to ask to get 'extra' built for ARMv5 and ARMv7 so
May 27 05:59:24 <lucent> I haven't completed an update of my N900 to PR1.2 yet, was there an improvement to the quality of front web cam capture?
May 27 06:00:59 <microlith> lucent: well, they enabled skype video call support so I hope they did
May 27 06:01:23 <Corsac> hmmh, not really sure
May 27 06:01:30 <Corsac> I didn't really see a difference, tbh
May 27 06:01:36 <Corsac> Stskeeps: thanks :)
May 27 06:02:34 <lucent> I hope this upgrade works with HAM, hardly any free space on my N900 rootfs, after following the advice to free up space
May 27 06:03:39 <Corsac> did you disable the extras repositories?
May 27 06:03:59 <Corsac> grmbl, I don't see why telepathy framework can't use any of the available gstreamer codecs
May 27 06:04:06 <lucent> Corsac: ^_^ yes I did
May 27 06:04:18 <lucent> it won't bother me too much if this operation fails
May 27 06:04:36 <lucent> my last resort is familiar to me, I will re-flash
May 27 06:05:33 <lucent> somehow I hoped the upgrades would be less than 40MB
May 27 06:05:51 <Corsac> it's 110M
May 27 06:06:03 <Corsac> but the total occupied space is much less than that
May 27 06:06:42 <lucent> HAM did not complain when I confirmed that I want to attempt the upgrade, does that imply it has enough space to store the downloaded upgrade?
May 27 06:07:13 <lucent> i.e. I have say 40MB free on rootfs, using HAM the upgrade will be 110M as you say
May 27 06:07:38 <lucent> where ... does the information go if not to rootfs?
May 27 06:09:24 <microlith> eMMC
May 27 06:09:57 <microlith> the root space is mostly a buffer, all the packages and whatnot are stored on the eMMC where there's plenty of space -if- you use HAM
May 27 06:10:10 <microlith> using apt-get will hurt quick
May 27 06:10:24 <tybollt> huh
May 27 06:10:42 <tybollt> the location of a package is - of course -not mandated by what installer you use
May 27 06:10:50 <tybollt> that's silly
May 27 06:11:10 <tybollt> s/mandated/decided/
May 27 06:11:23 <microlith> HAM is aware of the eMMC partitions, and uses them
May 27 06:11:32 <microlith> apt-get acts like it does on any Linux system
May 27 06:11:43 <tybollt> ?
May 27 06:11:56 <tybollt> it's in the package itself where it'll get installed
May 27 06:11:56 <microlith> it'll pull the packages down into /var/cache/apt/archive
May 27 06:12:04 <microlith> and eat your rootfs space
May 27 06:12:33 <microlith> this has nothing to do with -install- time
May 27 06:12:41 <microlith> it's all the download before install
May 27 06:12:57 <tybollt> jaja
May 27 06:13:18 * microlith breaks networkmanager
May 27 06:21:15 <Tuukka> Anyone using mobile hotspot app? Does it work well?
May 27 06:21:25 <bleeter> Funny thing about trying to use NSU under Win7 64bit, trying to get it working gave me the time to remove enough packages to get the update OTA going :)
May 27 06:21:56 <lucent> Tuukka: I'm wary of changing kernels
May 27 06:22:52 <Tuukka> What about Joiku spot it doesn't need a modified kernel, does it?
May 27 06:23:10 <tybollt> no
May 27 06:23:12 <tybollt> it does not
May 27 06:24:01 <tybollt> bleeter: it plain does NOT work in Windows 64 bit
May 27 06:25:09 <Tuukka> Does bluetooth tethering work phone to phone?
May 27 06:27:16 <bleeter> tybollt: I kinda figured that. The giveaway was iirc 'option 3' in the  Win7 64bit tips and tricks doc page.
May 27 06:27:33 <bleeter> but felt the need to give it one shot just the same :P
May 27 06:32:12 <aboyer> is there a package that i can install in scratchbox that will give me the OMAP Graphics SDK devel files?
May 27 06:34:33 <aboyer> i'm refering to this thing: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/gfxsdk/3_01_00_06/index_FDS.html
May 27 06:34:43 <Stskeeps> well, what file specifically do you eed?
May 27 06:35:01 <aboyer> kernelbuffer.h
May 27 06:35:21 <aboyer> i'm trying to compile the bc-cat kernel module to perform opengl texture streaming
May 27 06:35:41 <aboyer> and this bc-cat module depends on OMAP Graphics SDK and OMAP Linux PSP
May 27 06:37:51 <Stskeeps> aboyer: don't think we have it.. any path associated?
May 27 06:38:03 <Stskeeps> it might be in kernel itself
May 27 06:38:47 <aboyer> Stskeeps: drm/mrst/pvr/services4/include/kernelbuffer.h
May 27 06:39:14 <aboyer> if it was in the kernel then there would be 10 devices /dev/bc-cat0 - /dev/bc-cat9
May 27 06:39:28 <aboyer> and those are not present on pr 1.1.1
May 27 06:39:39 <aboyer> are they there on pr1.2 perhaps?
May 27 06:40:21 <aboyer> * actually the devices should be /dev/bccat0-9
May 27 06:40:52 <Stskeeps> aboyer: check kernel source, it would be in drivers/gpu/pvr
May 27 06:41:06 <aboyer> it's not there.. checked already, that is why i'm asking
May 27 06:41:13 <Stskeeps> sure?
May 27 06:41:39 <aboyer> all i have in there are Kconfig, Makefile and a tools directory
May 27 06:41:45 <Stskeeps> eh :P
May 27 06:41:53 <Stskeeps> sec
May 27 06:42:49 <Stskeeps> drivers/gpu/pvr/kernelbuffer.h
May 27 06:43:28 <aboyer> can you tell me what package i need to install to get that?
May 27 06:43:47 <Stskeeps> grab the kernel source package from repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0
May 27 06:44:08 <aboyer> ok, and then dump it in /usr/src in scratchbox?
May 27 06:44:21 * aboyer is new to kernel hacking
May 27 06:44:43 <Stskeeps> wiki documentation should help
May 27 06:44:53 <aboyer> ok, thx for your help
May 27 07:00:45 <Corsac> hmhm, when taking pictures with ctrl+shift+P, where are the png stored?
May 27 07:02:23 <Corsac> ha, MyDocs/.images/Screenshots
May 27 07:02:24 <Khertan> /home/user/MyDocs/.images/screenshot
May 27 07:02:29 <Khertan> if i remember well
May 27 07:02:32 <Khertan> Hi All !
May 27 07:02:42 <Corsac> yeha thanks :)
May 27 07:02:57 <Khertan> a bit late :)
May 27 07:03:59 <parim> is it possible to mount a windows file share on maemo 4?
May 27 07:04:28 <Appiah> is there samba support? then yes
May 27 07:04:31 <Appiah> oh wait
May 27 07:05:25 * pupnik still surviving after dist-upgrade
May 27 07:05:43 <pupnik> what is the OTA metapackage name for pr1.2
May 27 07:05:44 <Appiah> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2487&page=2 parim
May 27 07:06:50 <ruskie> pupnik, same as for the rest... fremantle-generic-pr or something like that
May 27 07:07:15 <ruskie> hmm seems like I'll be rolling my own kernel
May 27 07:07:29 <pupnik> ty
May 27 07:07:37 <johan_> why ruskie
May 27 07:08:12 <ruskie> because jebba isn't rolling his anymore and the power-kernel is worthless to me
May 27 07:08:28 <pupnik> hmm that installs addnl packages over dist-upgrade
May 27 07:08:28 <parim> thanks so much Appiah
May 27 07:08:54 <pupnik> how do i delete all those -eses -fifi -esmx etc packages?
May 27 07:08:57 <ruskie> I don't need overclocking and all the rest... I just want the same kernel with the extra stuff enabled
May 27 07:09:01 <ruskie> pupnik, you can't
May 27 07:09:05 <ruskie> pupnik, they are always installed
May 27 07:09:09 <ruskie> and have been since forewer
May 27 07:09:12 <ruskie> erm forever
May 27 07:09:16 <pupnik> ah ok
May 27 07:09:34 <ruskie> it would require package modification to get rid of all the language packs
May 27 07:10:26 <ruskie> johan_, basically I want fbcon NAT, ppp, pptp and a few other things on it
May 27 07:12:00 <tybollt> ehr there - that's better :)
May 27 07:12:10 <ruskie> :)
May 27 07:12:38 <tybollt> ruskie: isn't there an "advanced user kernel" in the repo's for that olready?
May 27 07:13:14 <ruskie> tybollt, yeah the power kernel that has way to many features(overclocking being one of them)
May 27 07:13:51 <hrw> morning
May 27 07:15:18 <pupnik> ruskie: and is rather flaky talking to X
May 27 07:19:00 <ruskie> pupnik, fun... basically I just want a basic kernel with extra modules that most people might find usable maybe I'll roll a few kernels... atleast a fbcon and non-fbcon ones for sure
May 27 07:19:47 <tybollt> overclocking
May 27 07:19:52 * tybollt FACEDESK
May 27 07:20:04 <ruskie> tybollt, agreed
May 27 07:20:14 <Stskeeps> and kexec
May 27 07:20:14 <Stskeeps> :P
May 27 07:20:22 <ruskie> kexec isn't a bad idea if it works
May 27 07:20:35 <pupnik> how bout hacking a console or single-user runmode ruskie
May 27 07:20:43 <ruskie> pupnik, already have that ;)
May 27 07:20:47 <pupnik> so i can get a shell when i reboot
May 27 07:20:51 <pupnik> do want!
May 27 07:20:51 <tybollt> single mode runmode?
May 27 07:20:54 <tybollt> huh?
May 27 07:21:03 <tybollt> just boot w/ init=/bin/bash ;P
May 27 07:21:08 <ruskie> nope
May 27 07:21:14 <ruskie> /bootmenu.sh
May 27 07:21:19 <ruskie> boot with open keyboard
May 27 07:21:21 <ruskie> and it will start that
May 27 07:21:31 <ruskie> I have a basic one there
May 27 07:21:42 <pupnik> mm?  ty i install bootmenu
May 27 07:21:44 <ruskie> starts up dsme and ssh and exec /bin/sh
May 27 07:21:57 <ruskie> pupnik, it's my own creation not the bootmenu from the repos
May 27 07:22:13 <ruskie> I need to update it and refine it...
May 27 07:22:18 <ruskie> I guess I can post it to my wiki page
May 27 07:22:22 <pupnik> ok. very important utility
May 27 07:23:04 <pupnik> i am getting many "Internal error. Application XYz closed" atm
May 27 07:23:48 <pupnik> SIM gone, web gone, conversations, phone, applets gone
May 27 07:24:01 <pupnik> but terminal survives :)
May 27 07:24:33 <pupnik> so if i reboot without console i will have to flash via usb, which is dodgy/damaged :)
May 27 07:25:10 <pupnik> ahh good web restarts
May 27 07:26:20 <ruskie> pupnik, well bootmenu.sh does require fbcon in my case
May 27 07:27:02 <pupnik> i have titans kernel atm
May 27 07:27:07 <ruskie> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#Bootmenu
May 27 07:27:20 <ruskie> you probably do want to modify and update for your own device
May 27 07:27:26 <ruskie> it's currently very hackish to my own device
May 27 07:27:31 <defragger> is it easy to port debian packages to maemo? and is there a good detailed howto about that?
May 27 07:27:51 <pupnik> right. ty
May 27 07:27:59 <ruskie> defragger, generally use etch repos for deb-src in sdk then just apt-get source package
May 27 07:28:14 <ruskie> pupnik, the only problem is that the kernel lacks a good keyboard map for the keyboard
May 27 07:28:21 <ruskie> pupnik, so sym keys don't work
May 27 07:28:51 <ruskie> pupnik, basically that bootmenu.sh is hacked from existing init/event scripts ;)
May 27 07:29:02 <pupnik> very interesting. ty
May 27 07:29:06 <defragger> ruskie: ive done that, and what do i have to do with the source top build a package for maemo?
May 27 07:29:36 <ruskie> defragger, dpkg-buildpackage
May 27 07:29:40 <ruskie> more or less
May 27 07:30:00 <defragger> ruskie: i see, i will try that thx :)
May 27 07:30:23 <ruskie> pupnik, also not sure if I have a usable network connection on that
May 27 07:31:29 <ruskie> frankly haven't given much thought to it so far
May 27 07:31:43 <ruskie> I did use it a few times but the lack of sym keys is more than annoying
May 27 07:31:49 <ghostcube> morning, anyone maybe got the link for the moverootfs script?
May 27 07:31:57 <ghostcube> if not i will search on maemo.org :D
May 27 07:32:00 <pupnik> mhm.  work to do...
May 27 07:32:04 <skyscraper> hi
May 27 07:32:11 <skyscraper> ive a question
May 27 07:32:57 <defragger> ruskie: what is meant by that: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7) flex texi2html?
May 27 07:33:40 <skyscraper> i have read its possible to connect external mic to n900 via yellow plug from videocable?! can i use it to for auxillary in like from cd player line out?
May 27 07:33:46 <Stskeeps> for those interested in MeeGo on N810, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=681902&postcount=84
May 27 07:33:47 <ruskie> defragger, it wants debhelper v7 or above, flex and texi2html
May 27 07:33:51 <skyscraper> *too
May 27 07:34:10 <defragger> i see
May 27 07:34:46 <ruskie> defragger, you sure you're using the etch sources?
May 27 07:35:50 <lucent> uh-oh
May 27 07:35:59 <lucent> post-PR1.2 my N900 is endlessly rebooting
May 27 07:36:03 <skyscraper> no one knows?!
May 27 07:36:21 <tybollt> lucent: flash it bro
May 27 07:36:27 * lucent facepalms
May 27 07:36:46 <tybollt> don't fucking facepalm - just flash your device :)
May 27 07:37:05 <lucent> ha yeah okay.
May 27 07:37:05 <defragger> uhm i dont know, i need to take a look, installed the system yesterday
May 27 07:37:29 <tybollt> lucent: I believe flashing is there for these types of situations
May 27 07:37:46 <pupnik> i believe console mode is
May 27 07:37:48 <skyscraper> lol my n900 reboots too, sometimes - after pr12l
May 27 07:38:02 <lucent> I mean post-install, directly after
May 27 07:38:15 <lucent> I've flashed before but I wish I could avoid it if possible
May 27 07:38:17 <skyscraper> hm. ota or nsu?
May 27 07:38:19 <tybollt> skyscraper: by any chance ... cause you typed reboot?
May 27 07:38:34 <lucent> OTA here
May 27 07:38:37 <defragger> ruskie: where can i see the source list? /etc/apt/sources.list??
May 27 07:39:26 <zlimvos> weird i just enabled again extras-devel and i got an error  "IP 92.122.216.179 not found"
May 27 07:39:28 <skyscraper> no @tybolt - testing some media player and screen rotation and then blackscreen white led. restarted without asking for my pin again
May 27 07:39:50 <ruskie> defragger, should be
May 27 07:40:12 <skyscraper> does no one know anything about audio line in
May 27 07:40:15 <skyscraper> ??
May 27 07:40:22 <defragger> ruskie: uhm there are only maemo sources ...
May 27 07:40:34 <defragger> i had to add these:
May 27 07:40:35 <defragger> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/  etch main non-free contrib
May 27 07:40:36 <defragger> deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib
May 27 07:40:39 <defragger> right?
May 27 07:41:40 <skyscraper> hm :(
May 27 07:41:51 <skyscraper> need to test it myself?!
May 27 07:42:24 <skyscraper> can i destroy anything when connecting a mp3player or stl to yellow plug from video cable?
May 27 07:42:39 <ruskie> defragger, just deb-src
May 27 07:42:45 <tybollt> ehr
May 27 07:42:47 <ruskie> defragger, you don't want deb
May 27 07:42:53 <tybollt> that's an audio out innit - not in?
May 27 07:42:55 <defragger> i see
May 27 07:43:29 <skyscraper> thats in, too - the standard headphone has microphone too?
May 27 07:43:43 <ghostcube> hmmm skype video call with mac doesnt work damn
May 27 07:43:55 <ghostcube> -.-
May 27 07:44:49 <skyscraper> http://www.google.com/m/url?cd=1&channel=unibox&client=ms-nokia-maemo&ct=res&ei=tCL-S-juMY2AnQOur6R0&oi=blended&q=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.nokia.com%2Fid%2F81ba2105-f16d-4c2b-a958-542ede07c7bc%2FNokia_AV_Hardware_Interface_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf&resnum=1&sa=X&ved=0CAkQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEwGDGG_Uf6aPD7R36OTywcB8Bj9A
May 27 07:44:56 <skyscraper> @tybollt
May 27 07:46:01 <tybollt> skyscraper: that's a  big doco
May 27 07:46:13 <skyscraper> wait
May 27 07:46:14 <tybollt> anyway does it say in there the thing can be used for audio in too?
May 27 07:47:30 <skyscraper> http://shelbinator.com/2008/05/04/n95-external-microphone/ is the same for n900
May 27 07:48:23 <skyscraper> yes the document says 'mono line in'
May 27 07:48:23 <RST38h> Anyone knows if I should change Extras-Testing and Extras-Devel from fremantle to fremantle-1.2?
May 27 07:48:36 <hrw> RST38h: only extras exists in two forms
May 27 07:48:43 <RST38h> hrw: Ah, ok
May 27 07:48:46 <RST38h> good to know
May 27 07:48:47 <hrw> RST38h: testing and devel are for latest
May 27 07:49:24 <Appiah> ~PR1.2
May 27 07:49:25 <infobot> hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update
May 27 07:49:28 <lucent> tybollt: could use a refresher, my memory not so good... what is the eMMC?   I'm looking at the firmware images page and am confused about whether I *must* flash the eMMC or not?
May 27 07:50:17 <Appiah> ~flashing
May 27 07:50:18 <infobot> [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 27 07:50:20 <tybollt> lucent: emmc is where you have you pr0n
May 27 07:50:29 <tybollt> lucent: nand is where the OS is
May 27 07:50:34 <tybollt> lucent: flash the nand
May 27 07:50:43 <tybollt> not the emmc
May 27 07:50:48 <tybollt> that way you don't lose the pr0n
May 27 07:50:50 <tybollt> WIN
May 27 07:51:07 <elstupidos> lol i love that explanation
May 27 07:51:33 <skyscraper> have to write "klausur" now.... afk, maybe off when connection times out
May 27 07:52:06 <tybollt> Yes
May 27 07:52:20 <tybollt> a mustached german named "klaus" is very typical for pr0n movies
May 27 07:52:30 <skyscraper> later back!
May 27 07:52:50 <skyscraper> klausur is at school, lol
May 27 07:53:03 <Scelt> tybollt: I guess it is also mustached german Klaus in the band named The Scorpions
May 27 07:53:06 <defragger> ruskie: do i have to use apt-get source on x86 or ARMEL?
May 27 07:53:23 <ruskie> defragger, you are doing everything on armel... atleast I do it
May 27 07:53:54 <defragger> ruskie: i see, last question whats that: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
May 27 07:54:21 <tybollt> RST38h. hrw: Funny how this 1.2 thing for fremantle is not mentioned on http://repository.maemo.org/, don't you think? :-|
May 27 07:55:39 <ruskie> defragger, add the relevant keys using apt-key iirc
May 27 07:57:39 <ghostcube> woah what is the latest europe firmware file again )
May 27 07:57:43 * johnsu01 wonders what it would take to rearrange the keys on the on-screen keyboard
May 27 07:57:58 <johnsu01> why on earth are the backspace and enter keys lower than the rest
May 27 07:58:00 <ghostcube> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  ??
May 27 07:58:14 <CLaX0> Hi all, a quick question concerning the fremantle sdk
May 27 07:58:25 <CLaX0> They seem to have changed the address of it in the repo
May 27 07:58:29 <lucent> ghostcube: you too?
May 27 07:58:31 <CLaX0> So I get a 404 when installing
May 27 07:58:52 <CLaX0> How do I change the repo address? It's not a in the python script I got
May 27 07:59:05 <biston> Good morning. I've been reading lately in so many places that the MeeGo project dropped support for the N900 device. But looking at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/, where the images for N900 are supposed to be, we can notice that the images have been updated to v1.0 on May 25th. Did anyone try these images? do they include an interface ?
May 27 07:59:05 <lucent> ghostcube: you can be sure following the process at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
May 27 07:59:09 <CLaX0> I mean no the repo address, but rather the resource within it
May 27 07:59:09 <ghostcube> dam i removed some files, and have killed my themes
May 27 07:59:36 <lucent> biston: who what now?
May 27 07:59:46 <biston> i mean, im confused, it seems that N900 are still supported
May 27 07:59:58 <lucent> try #meego ?
May 27 08:00:12 <Stskeeps> biston: it isn't a nokia product, it is a meego.com thing
May 27 08:00:17 <biston> yea :p good point
May 27 08:00:25 <biston> i didn't know the chan existed
May 27 08:00:31 <Stskeeps> biston: n900 support isn't going anywhere, n900 is the reference platform for ARM on meego
May 27 08:00:46 <Stskeeps> support as in 'something that makes it work'
May 27 08:00:49 <biston> ah
May 27 08:01:46 <biston> i'll see what they have to say about this on #meego
May 27 08:02:12 <Stskeeps> biston: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 explains a little more about our wor
May 27 08:02:13 <Stskeeps> k
May 27 08:03:13 <biston> reading
May 27 08:03:26 <defragger> ruskie: what options do i have to use with that apt-key? i hate debian :D
May 27 08:03:30 <tybollt> Stskeeps: how 'free' is meego though? Will there ever be like ... 'snapshots' etc?
May 27 08:04:07 <tybollt> (I can't see how that'd be sustainable granted nokia and intel wanting to make money out of this :)
May 27 08:04:07 <Stskeeps> tybollt: there's supposed to be weekly or daily snapshots of Trunk, depending on who you ask
May 27 08:04:22 <tybollt> oh? o_O
May 27 08:04:27 <Stskeeps> it isn't android, you know
May 27 08:04:27 <Stskeeps> :P
May 27 08:04:28 <ruskie> defragger, me too... searc hfor debian import key apt-key
May 27 08:05:05 <Milo-> do I get charged for anything if I press the "send to mobile" button on the ovi store site? (given that the application is free)
May 27 08:05:11 <ruskie> tybollt, from my understanding MeeGo core is completly open no clue about the stuff on top
May 27 08:06:16 <ruskie> which reminds me... need to try the netbook release on my 701
May 27 08:06:44 <tybollt> Stskeeps: No of course not
May 27 08:06:48 <tybollt> Stskeeps: My point is...
May 27 08:07:10 <tybollt> At some point you'll be pulling in closed source binaries - how/when is that?
May 27 08:07:41 <Stskeeps> tybollt: right. in our hardware adaptation we try to minimize closed source binaries. if you own a n900, you can get the repo URL for them and the kickstart file for generating our closed image.
May 27 08:07:48 <Stskeeps> this is entirely on hardware basis.
May 27 08:07:57 <tybollt> uhuh
May 27 08:08:34 <Stskeeps> at some point, a vendor might add differentiation.
May 27 08:08:43 <Stskeeps> that core on top of the open and portable meego core and ux.
May 27 08:08:57 <Stskeeps> so instead of 43% we have like 97% :P
May 27 08:09:00 * ruskie hopes that the announcement that MeeGo 1.1 will support touchscreen phones and that it'll be around somewhere in october iirc will come true
May 27 08:09:28 <timeless_mbp> !seen andre
May 27 08:09:33 <tybollt> Stskeeps: Right so a _fairly_ vendor agnostic process then... makes sense I suppose
May 27 08:09:41 <lejonet> timeless_mbp: still is ~ not ! ;)
May 27 08:09:50 <lejonet> ~seen andre
May 27 08:09:54 <infobot> andre is currently on #meego (8d 23h 25m 59s), last said: 'postmanPechkin: const char* is not a class, it has no nested types'.
May 27 08:10:05 <asj_> hmm, I wonder if I can change left-right audio output balance on the n900
May 27 08:10:08 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: so… you're looking at platform costs wrong
May 27 08:10:18 <tybollt> ?
May 27 08:10:19 <Stskeeps> tybollt: i think it could be a lot worse. if you have hardware that supports a fully open hardware adaptation you can build open differentiation on top
May 27 08:10:22 <Stskeeps> :P
May 27 08:10:31 <timeless_mbp> a platform is a sustainable expense because it's a substitute for an existing expense
May 27 08:10:41 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: My missus always said I don't handle/understand "costs", so yeah - probably.
May 27 08:10:45 <timeless_mbp> and it enables costs savings through cost sharing
May 27 08:10:57 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: so, look at it this way..
May 27 08:11:04 <timeless_mbp> i don't have a missus, so i have to pay for my own apt
May 27 08:11:16 <timeless_mbp> imagine someday i meet a nice lady, who also has to pay for her own apt
May 27 08:11:27 <timeless_mbp> we could share a place, and our base cost for housing would go down
May 27 08:11:36 <timeless_mbp> sure it might be a bigger place and seem to cost more
May 27 08:11:53 <timeless_mbp> but if you compare how much each of us put in before to how much we put in after, our individual costs will drop
May 27 08:11:59 <timeless_mbp> we might even be able to do more things
May 27 08:12:05 <timeless_mbp> and that's w/ just two of us
May 27 08:12:27 <timeless_mbp> imagine if i moved from Finland (where neighbors are imaginary)
May 27 08:12:39 <timeless_mbp> to a place where we had friendly neighbors who'd help out once in a while
May 27 08:12:45 <tybollt> you entirely lost me now - but ok :)
May 27 08:12:48 <timeless_mbp> that community adds value and reduces cost
May 27 08:12:52 <timeless_mbp> which part?
May 27 08:13:08 <timeless_mbp> imagine an apt for one in HEL costs 200kEUR
May 27 08:13:11 <timeless_mbp> which isn't too far off
May 27 08:13:23 <timeless_mbp> imagine if another person in the same city is also paying 200kEUR for an apt
May 27 08:13:31 <timeless_mbp> total cost for 2 individuals = 400kEUR
May 27 08:13:36 <timeless_mbp> imagine if they "merged"
May 27 08:13:45 <timeless_mbp> they could live in a 300kEUR apt together
May 27 08:13:51 <timeless_mbp> they each save 50kEUR
May 27 08:14:28 <timeless_mbp> if their old apt was say 50m^2, they might upgrade to an 80m^2 place
May 27 08:14:43 <timeless_mbp> their place to them looks bigger, and to you as a visitor it also looks bigger
May 27 08:14:44 * ruskie is used to cast sharing paying for half of the costs for living at home
May 27 08:15:01 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: does the first part make sense?
May 27 08:15:03 <ruskie> erm cost even
May 27 08:15:11 <defragger> ruskie: finally its compiling the package
May 27 08:15:13 <groove> hi, i have been told there has been a new release for the n900 this week but my phone is not showing up the update, any ideas why?
May 27 08:15:26 <ruskie> groove, maybe it hasn't updated yet
May 27 08:15:30 <timeless_mbp> groove: it doesn't poll every minute
May 27 08:15:35 <groove> is there a way to force a poll?
May 27 08:15:41 <tybollt> groove: sure there is
May 27 08:15:41 <timeless_mbp> for some reason someone thought that might be expensive :)
May 27 08:15:48 <lucent> tybollt: Thanks for the help, I like your description of the eMMC ^_^
May 27 08:15:48 <tybollt> go into HAM and press refresh
May 27 08:15:55 <Lazy^> Helli, is there MMS option for N900. I know there isn't one from Nokia but repos ?
May 27 08:16:01 <ruskie> fMMS
May 27 08:16:03 <ruskie> supposedly
May 27 08:16:04 <groove> tybollt: what is HAM?
May 27 08:16:06 <timeless_mbp> Lazy^: fMMS
May 27 08:16:14 <timeless_mbp> groove:  'App. Manager'
May 27 08:16:15 <Lazy^> Can i find it from repos ?
May 27 08:16:24 <timeless_mbp> or 'App manager' or 'Add/Remove' (if you use my localization)
May 27 08:16:32 <timeless_mbp> Lazy^: sure, it should be in extras
May 27 08:16:44 <tybollt> dneary?
May 27 08:16:52 <groove> timeless_mbp: i already tried an "update" (as opposed to "download") from the app manager
May 27 08:16:54 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: so, did the basic cost sharing stuff make sense?
May 27 08:16:57 <groove> i'm not sure if it comes from the standard repos
May 27 08:16:58 <ruskie> gah... hate that More... was removed
May 27 08:17:02 <tybollt> who is the head honcho in charge of website / doco? That's dneary yeah?
May 27 08:17:05 <timeless_mbp> groove: the update is from a standard repo
May 27 08:17:16 <groove> ok, maybe my repos are messed up
May 27 08:17:17 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: file a bug ;-)
May 27 08:17:18 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: I'm not sure still what you are trying to convince me of.
May 27 08:17:31 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: you were wondering how meego could be sustainable
May 27 08:17:33 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: I'd really just want a mail where I can submit a bug.
May 27 08:17:34 <lucent> groove: I had to flash PR1.2 anyways, because of troubles upgrading
May 27 08:17:36 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: I'd really just want a mail where I can submit a diff
May 27 08:17:44 <lucent> groove: it might make sense to just flash
May 27 08:17:47 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: bugzilla supports that :)
May 27 08:17:49 <Khertan> Hi !
May 27 08:17:55 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: jajaja Ok, very well then
May 27 08:17:56 <timeless_mbp> there's a website product and you can attach patches
May 27 08:17:59 <Khertan> hum ... meego 1.0 ... interesting
May 27 08:18:18 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: anyway, both intel and nokia had to pay for building an os (moblin, maemo)
May 27 08:18:18 <groove> ok, i'll try flashing it if the update doesn't show up in the next week
May 27 08:18:20 <groove> many thanks
May 27 08:18:34 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: jajaja now stop mocking me
May 27 08:19:34 <defragger> ruskie: did you ever upload any of your created packages to the maemo repository?
May 27 08:19:43 <ruskie> defragger, all my stuff is in my own repo
May 27 08:19:52 <defragger> ah i see
May 27 08:20:56 <Scelt> hei boys, where was the article about N900 ovi store update?
May 27 08:21:08 <Khertan> ruskie ... :)
May 27 08:21:26 <timeless_mbp> Scelt: afaik nokia didn't actually promise that
May 27 08:21:34 <Khertan> Scelt ... maybe in rumors ... or archives 2009 sections
May 27 08:21:36 <timeless_mbp> it might be hoped, but afaik we didn't make that promise
May 27 08:21:45 <timeless_mbp> i think the hope is to get it rolled out asap
May 27 08:21:53 <timeless_mbp> but please don't treat it as a promise
May 27 08:22:31 <Scelt> I thought they said something about this day, thursday 27th
May 27 08:22:36 * ruskie is happy living an Ovi-less life
May 27 08:22:38 <Scelt> I saw somewhere
May 27 08:22:41 <timeless_mbp> Scelt: you're welcome to think that
May 27 08:22:48 <timeless_mbp> and there were third parties who made that claim
May 27 08:23:03 <timeless_mbp> i'm speaking as a nokian having read mail where internals asked if the claim was accurate
May 27 08:23:10 <Scelt> may be so, but I want to find that arcticle anyway
May 27 08:23:11 <timeless_mbp> the response i saw indicated the claim was not
May 27 08:23:18 <timeless_mbp> oh, the article's easy to find
May 27 08:23:26 <timeless_mbp> but who cares? it's a third party article
May 27 08:24:08 <Scelt> "I want to find a Volvo repair shop. Please help." "Lol! Drive BMW!!1"
May 27 08:24:46 <timeless_mbp> more like "I need help finding macrumors.com, because I have an apple and want to know if apple announced its next product"
May 27 08:25:15 <pupnik> second pot of tea is sooo smooth
May 27 08:25:22 <pillar_> I thought that what was promised for today was new games to ovi store
May 27 08:25:34 <Scelt> nah. I want to find that article because of interest, not because of believing anyone blogging anything
May 27 08:25:38 <tybollt> pupnik needs himself some coffe
May 27 08:25:39 <tybollt> e'
May 27 08:25:51 * Khertan didn't see why the sauerkraut is cold
May 27 08:26:00 <lucent> I wish there were a "No to all" setting in "Version conflict" dialog for Backup/Restore
May 27 08:26:01 * ruskie needs vast amounts of sleep this week... am so sleep deprived it's not funny
May 27 08:26:17 <timeless_mbp> http://www.google.com/search?q=new%20games%20ovi%20n900&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 says ...
May 27 08:26:20 <tybollt> Khertan: do you fancy those little cheese cubes? you know w/ a red cow on them? :)
May 27 08:26:30 <timeless_mbp> lucent: i filed a bug for that feature years ago
May 27 08:26:38 <timeless_mbp> the backup team ui designers insist on being annoying
May 27 08:26:41 <lucent> timeless_mbp: ha, yeah
May 27 08:26:48 <timeless_mbp> http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/
May 27 08:26:55 <timeless_mbp> >  First up – new games join the veritable arcade already on offer in Ovi Store. Jurassic 3D Rollercoaster, Zen-bound, Angry Birds (level pack), Sygic, Kroll, Weatherbug, and GoGadget are all available to keep you entertained. Important to note though that Ovi Store will do a full switchover this week Thursday, May 27, so these games and other for-purchase apps will show up then.
May 27 08:27:07 <timeless_mbp> interesting
May 27 08:27:11 <Khertan> tybollt, the laughting cow ?
May 27 08:27:14 <Scelt> Thanks! tjust that I was looking for
May 27 08:27:22 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: isn't that an official channel?
May 27 08:27:49 <timeless_mbp> Scelt: dunno
May 27 08:27:58 <lucent> Angry Birds game is brilliant, it is catching on at the Apple iPhone apps store, one of the most popular games... and I played it first on N900 :)  though unrelated to maemo
May 27 08:28:03 <timeless_mbp> the place i read earlier was maemo<something>
May 27 08:28:06 <timeless_mbp> which definitely wasn't
May 27 08:28:45 <Scelt> well, gotta believe the official Nokia blog
May 27 08:28:56 <timeless_mbp> Scelt: bad idea ;-)
May 27 08:29:00 * timeless_mbp goes to send an email
May 27 08:29:24 <Scelt> ;D
May 27 08:29:35 <tybollt> Khertan: oui justement
May 27 08:29:51 <ZogG_N900> bad day for me
May 27 08:29:55 <ZogG_N900> damn fml
May 27 08:30:21 <Stskeeps> pr1.2 ate your lunch?
May 27 08:30:56 <ZogG_N900> nope
May 27 08:31:04 <Khertan> tybollt, i'm not a fan :)  prefer cashew nut with my vodka
May 27 08:31:27 <ZogG_N900> today i would waste myself i think
May 27 08:31:40 <Khertan> tybollt, but right now it 10h30 ... un peu t�t pour l'ap�ritif
May 27 08:31:44 <timeless_mbp> > We are not committed to open Store for PR1.2 on Thu May 27. We naturally hope we can do this.
May 27 08:31:50 <timeless_mbp> that's an email i received internally
May 27 08:31:51 <Khertan> tybollt, but right now it 10h30 ... a little early for a drink
May 27 08:31:59 <timeless_mbp> it was sent tuesday morning
May 27 08:32:16 <tybollt> Khertan: is it ever - for a frog? :)
May 27 08:32:26 <Khertan> tybollt, haha
May 27 08:32:27 <ZogG_N900> timeless_mbp, i don't believe anyone anymore
May 27 08:32:33 <Khertan> tybollt, in fact not :)
May 27 08:32:37 <tybollt> ;-P
May 27 08:32:41 <odin_> ok I finally did the PR1.2 deed today (OneNAND + eMMC reflash), my WinXP PC was acting up yesterday
May 27 08:32:50 <ZogG_N900> it's all lies around
May 27 08:32:59 <lucent> odin_: why reflash eMMC?
May 27 08:33:26 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: not really a surprise that nobody knows what's going on
May 27 08:33:38 <Khertan> lol Surfa ... it s here the right channel :)
May 27 08:33:39 <odin_> well its got bugger all data on it (as its not my main phone), and I wanted to the full Nokia device experience
May 27 08:33:56 <Surfa> Khertan, i have plenty of right channels :)
May 27 08:34:06 <Surfa> problem is to talk about right thing on them :)
May 27 08:34:12 <lucent> I'm still wondering what flashing the eMMC does to add to the "experience"
May 27 08:34:23 <ZogG_N900> why not. that's cool to reflash.
May 27 08:34:32 <Khertan> Surfa, exactly
May 27 08:34:33 <Khertan> :)
May 27 08:34:39 <ZogG_N900> you know i was in army
May 27 08:34:44 <timeless_mbp> Scelt: glad to hear you're appropriately jaded
May 27 08:34:48 <timeless_mbp> and sorry about that :(
May 27 08:35:02 <ZogG_N900> and even ordaniry soldier perfore better if he knows reasons
May 27 08:35:03 <odin_> it ensures all config files are reset and the correct formats, plus I get to pick my language and locale again on first boot!
May 27 08:35:18 <lucent> config files? hm
May 27 08:35:37 <ZogG_N900> lucent, that are in /home/user
May 27 08:35:43 <lucent> oh okay
May 27 08:35:49 <odin_> wow the Terms and Conditions would take a whole day to read !
May 27 08:35:53 <timeless_mbp> Deputy Editor, Nokia Conversations rhiain.morgan@republicpublishing.co.uk 079 8305 5495
May 27 08:35:56 <timeless_mbp> cute
May 27 08:35:58 * timeless_mbp grumbles
May 27 08:36:01 <timeless_mbp> EWTF
May 27 08:36:18 <vanad1s> good morning
May 27 08:36:29 <ZogG_N900> timeless_mbp, you want him to get spamed? not a good idea to put data here
May 27 08:36:29 <vanad1s> are the nokia update servers currently down?
May 27 08:36:31 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: well, not talking about Nokia only. Big firms just are what they are.
May 27 08:36:36 <lucent> uh-oh
May 27 08:36:45 <lucent> post PR1.2 my SIM is not registered
May 27 08:36:47 <ZogG_N900> Scelt, not true
May 27 08:36:51 <lucent> that's bad...
May 27 08:36:53 <PhonicUK> hey all
May 27 08:37:09 <pupnik> check that the cellmo module loaded maybe lucent
May 27 08:37:12 <DocScrutinizer51> moo
May 27 08:37:16 <timeless_mbp> ZogG: i got that person's contact info from google
May 27 08:37:18 <PhonicUK> anyone tried the meego release on their n900?
May 27 08:37:27 <timeless_mbp> and i fully intend to place a phone call to that person <now>
May 27 08:37:37 <ZogG_N900> Scelt, there are 2 options. or keep ur clients happy with support or inform
May 27 08:37:39 <odin_> Hmm... "SMS - Nokia", "You are already registered to My Nokia.  You will nopw start receiving Tips from your new Nokia."  hmm...
May 27 08:37:44 <DocScrutinizer51> lucent: oops
May 27 08:37:49 * odin_ thinks ET Phone Home
May 27 08:37:51 <lucent> DocScrutinizer51: is this known bug?
May 27 08:37:59 <Stskeeps> odin_: that is really a wtf
May 27 08:38:00 <ZogG_N900> timeless_mbp, update me with results
May 27 08:38:16 <ruskie> it says I'm subscribed as well even though I never subscribed
May 27 08:38:21 <ZogG_N900> lucent, do you have it?
May 27 08:38:22 <Stskeeps> yeah, same
May 27 08:38:22 <ruskie> it also doesn't let me unsubscribe
May 27 08:38:26 * timeless_mbp nods
May 27 08:38:47 <ZogG_N900> it's gentoo port time
May 27 08:38:51 <lucent> ZogG_N900: the SIM-with-crossout-line icon is displayed now, and no cell connectivity
May 27 08:39:07 <lucent> that's bad. what do I do
May 27 08:39:07 <ZogG_N900> lucent, have u took it out?
May 27 08:39:17 <timeless_mbp> anonymous voicemail :(
May 27 08:39:25 <lucent> ZogG_N900: I've tried re-seating it
May 27 08:39:30 <ZogG_N900> i mean before. try to take out and place it back
May 27 08:39:38 <DocScrutinizer51> lucent: somebody had his contacts app act up until I recommended to ersase all SIM contacts
May 27 08:39:52 <Lazy^> Hello on fMMMS instructions it says: -Enter your phone number at last (without dash) <- Where i should put my phonenumber ?
May 27 08:39:54 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: few things agravate me to the extent anon voicemail does when I REALLY need to get a hold of someone :-S
May 27 08:39:54 <ZogG_N900> lucent, try to reflash and try another sim as well
May 27 08:40:20 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: *shrug*
May 27 08:40:28 <lucent> is there some commandline kung-fu I should do?
May 27 08:40:32 <timeless_mbp> the british version is better than the finnish version
May 27 08:40:35 <ZogG_N900> who is the head of nokia and responsible for n900 ? )
May 27 08:40:42 <timeless_mbp> the british version doesn't make any claim about who owns the mailbox
May 27 08:40:48 <ZogG_N900> lucent, i don.t think so
May 27 08:40:51 <Scelt> Lazy^: configuration
May 27 08:40:55 <timeless_mbp> the finnish version says something like "the person you are trying to reach ..."
May 27 08:41:15 <timeless_mbp> but since it's an anonymous box, how does it know it *is* the person i'm trying to reach?
May 27 08:41:15 <Lazy^> Scelt: yes but where in there, i cant find any place for phonenumber
May 27 08:41:18 <ZogG_N900> timeless_mbp, are u calling from n900?
May 27 08:41:19 <timeless_mbp> *i* don't know that!
May 27 08:41:24 <timeless_mbp> ZogG: w/ SIP.
May 27 08:41:26 <timeless_mbp> yep
May 27 08:41:29 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: :P:P
May 27 08:41:31 <timeless_mbp> i don't have other phones, just n900s
May 27 08:41:34 <ZogG_N900> cause that your phone in ignore list
May 27 08:42:11 <Scelt> Lazy^: seems that it's unnecessary anymore. I didn't find it either
May 27 08:42:14 <ZogG_N900> Lazy^, check the thread at tmo or ask frals
May 27 08:42:38 <Scelt> Lazy^: so skip it
May 27 08:42:39 <ZogG_N900> i failed test today
May 27 08:42:59 <asj_> well that's lame, there's no good n900 mixer control
May 27 08:43:07 <Lazy^> ok skipped it
May 27 08:43:09 <lucent> DocScrutinizer: I think I've got a handle on the issue
May 27 08:43:12 <ZogG_N900> i want to get drunk. right now. it's hard to be russian
May 27 08:43:30 <thresh> not really
May 27 08:43:39 <lucent> DocScrutinizer: PR1.2 contains info that gets flashed, and is not downgraded when you get back to 1.1, which I think is what I manually flashed to my N900
May 27 08:43:56 <lucent> so it's not going to work until I get PR1.2 going again? that's the theory
May 27 08:44:07 <ZogG_N900> lucent, true
May 27 08:44:38 <ZogG_N900> everything goes wrong
May 27 08:45:13 <lucent> the strange thing is I thought I'd installed PR1.2 when I manually flashed
May 27 08:45:25 <lucent> exact command line was "sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R"
May 27 08:45:33 <ZogG_N900> lucent, check in setting - about
May 27 08:45:34 <lucent> is that not PR1.2?
May 27 08:45:48 <ZogG_N900> it's not
May 27 08:46:08 <lucent> ZogG_N900: settings->about says "Version: 1.2009.42-11.002"
May 27 08:46:08 <marmoute> Why are the 1.2 package not authenticate on my N900 ? (when I try apt-get dist-upgrade ?
May 27 08:46:15 <ZogG_N900> 10?.
May 27 08:46:22 <odin_> the "Device Lock -> Lock Code" should be clearer, it should indicate it does not have a device lock code set on first use, not ask you for a code (and accept anything, this is confusing)
May 27 08:46:24 <ZogG_N900> 10.2010.*
May 27 08:46:55 * timeless_mbp cries
May 27 08:47:01 <timeless_mbp> i reached a colleague of rhiain's
May 27 08:47:07 <timeless_mbp> but my sip audio quality was bad
May 27 08:47:11 <odin_> there should also be a mechanism to remove the device lock code, to its "unset" again
May 27 08:47:22 <timeless_mbp> odin_: so...
May 27 08:47:27 <timeless_mbp> there's always a device lock code
May 27 08:47:30 <ZogG_N900> timeless_mbp, try out video call on them )
May 27 08:47:32 <timeless_mbp> the default is 12345
May 27 08:47:53 <odin_> nope it accepted my new code, as the existing code (which I take to mean, it accepts ANY CODE)
May 27 08:47:58 <timeless_mbp> odin_: the key is whether the device is actively <locked>
May 27 08:48:00 <odin_> I entered my new code 3 times
May 27 08:48:02 <ZogG_N900> odin_, so what's the point in lock?
May 27 08:48:23 <ZogG_N900> haha
May 27 08:48:26 <odin_> my code is not 12345
May 27 08:48:36 <ZogG_N900> someone forgot microsoft pen in the bus
May 27 08:48:49 <ZogG_N900> odin_, it is )
May 27 08:49:07 <ZogG_N900> i wanna be happy again
May 27 08:49:22 <timeless_mbp> ZogG: fwiw http://www.republicpublishing.co.uk/about/rhiain-morgan/
May 27 08:49:24 <RST38h> ZogG: There is plenty of medications for that
May 27 08:49:30 <timeless_mbp> and she's a she :)
May 27 08:49:39 <odin_> hmm I click the power button and "Lock screen and keys" doesn't appear to do anything (but activate backlight off)
May 27 08:49:47 <marmoute> No idea Why those pacage are not recognised as unauthenticated by my phone ?
May 27 08:49:53 <tybollt> RST38h: :-D
May 27 08:49:59 <ZogG_N900> RST38h, they are too expensive
May 27 08:50:00 <odin_> hmm I click "Secure Device" and it ASKS me for a code, to secure it, if I click out of it, I get desktop back, Doh!
May 27 08:50:10 <lucent> oh... wow
May 27 08:50:16 <timeless_mbp> odin_: that's the idea...
May 27 08:50:19 <ZogG_N900> haha
May 27 08:50:21 <asj_> well at least alsamixer works, but poo
May 27 08:50:24 <lucent> I just realized that I flashed the oldest version of firmware to my N900
May 27 08:50:31 <timeless_mbp> you don't want to accidentally lock yourself out, do you?
May 27 08:50:33 <ZogG_N900> odin_, u jailbroke it
May 27 08:50:33 <ghostcube> lucent: hehe
May 27 08:50:42 <ghostcube> thats what i was asking for the package a bit earlier
May 27 08:50:49 <lucent> I thought the newest would be at the top of the page!  I'm enraged at my stupidity
May 27 08:51:05 <ghostcube> lucent: its in the middle the latest thingies
May 27 08:51:16 <odin_> I presume and hope you are being sarcastic timeless_mbp
May 27 08:51:53 <timeless_mbp> no
May 27 08:51:54 <lucent> ghostcube: thanks mate
May 27 08:51:59 <ghostcube> np
May 27 08:52:02 <odin_> not sure on the jailbreaking, this is an eMMC+OneNAND reflash, my first action is to set and test device locking so far it has either failed or doesn't work like any other phone
May 27 08:52:04 <timeless_mbp> don't be presumptuous ;-b
May 27 08:52:14 <timeless_mbp> odin_: i tend to be serious first
May 27 08:52:16 <pupnik> where is kernel with fbcon now
May 27 08:53:01 <marmoute> odin_: I assume they ask the code you *WILL* need to type again to unlock the phone
May 27 08:53:05 <ZogG_N900> brb
May 27 08:53:17 <timeless_mbp> marmoute is correct, as usual
May 27 08:53:19 <odin_> I don't get this "Enter lock code to lock device" that is crazy, and if its meant to be a real feature needs a mechanism to turn it off
May 27 08:53:38 <timeless_mbp> odin_: it doesn't lock the phone unless you lock the phone...
May 27 08:53:45 <timeless_mbp> if you unlock the phone, it's unlocked
May 27 08:53:49 <timeless_mbp> it's quite simple
May 27 08:54:05 <timeless_mbp> yes the design was by finns and is hardly brilliant, and the English text is disastrous
May 27 08:54:08 <odin_> marmoute, I have already setup the code, I don't want to setup a unique code on the move (this is not a hotel with safe) its too easy to forget the number or type it incorrectly for that to be good UK
May 27 08:54:11 <odin_> s/UK/UI/
May 27 08:54:11 <infobot> odin_ meant: marmoute, I have already setup the code, I don't want to setup a unique code on the move (this is not a hotel with safe) its too easy to forget the number or type it incorrectly for that to be good UI
May 27 08:54:12 <timeless_mbp> but… it's still quite simple
May 27 08:54:38 <timeless_mbp> odin_: again
May 27 08:54:42 <timeless_mbp> the default code is 12345
May 27 08:54:54 <timeless_mbp> if you don't enter the right code when you try to lock the phone, it won't let you lock it
May 27 08:55:00 <odin_> I entered something else which was accepted, not 12345
May 27 08:55:10 <timeless_mbp> if you change the lock code, then you will have to use <your> code to unlock it
May 27 08:55:19 <tybollt> hmm funny buig
May 27 08:55:26 <tybollt> after -> 1.2
May 27 08:55:35 <odin_> I entered something else which was accepted, in the 1st step to changing the lock code
May 27 08:55:37 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 27 08:55:43 <timeless_mbp> the error messages are bad there
May 27 08:55:46 * timeless_mbp goes for a rewrite
May 27 08:55:57 <tybollt> it seems the device no longer attaches the phone book name of an incomming sms number
May 27 08:56:02 <tybollt> that is just super weird
May 27 08:56:17 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: the number is probably in multiple contacts
May 27 08:56:28 <tybollt> hmm
May 27 08:56:34 <tybollt> I shall check that
May 27 08:56:39 <tybollt> than ks
May 27 08:56:45 <timeless_mbp> sadly, checking that is hardly easy
May 27 08:56:56 <timeless_mbp> if you find an app for that, please let me know, thanks :)
May 27 08:57:12 <tybollt> ;)
May 27 08:57:18 <odin_> when the device is "Secured" it doesn't clearly state across the top "This Device Is Secured" then "Enter unlock code to release" its like the page doesn't change
May 27 08:58:03 <ZogG> back here
May 27 08:58:46 <odin_> ok "Lock Screen and Keys" what is that meant to be doing.... the "Secure Device" looks like more major operation
May 27 08:59:11 <timeless_mbp> odin_: my translation has "Lock" and "Disable input"
May 27 08:59:25 <timeless_mbp> or in your order "Disable input" and "Lock"
May 27 08:59:37 <timeless_mbp> does that help?
May 27 08:59:48 * timeless_mbp considers "Prevent input" instead of "Disable input"
May 27 08:59:50 <odin_> Lock Screen and Keys - for me, just deactivates the screen backlight, the right hand button reactivates the backlight (with no sign of any "lock")
May 27 09:00:05 <timeless_mbp> odin_: right, don't think about the nokia strings, think about mine :)
May 27 09:00:11 <alterego> Oh, sweet, meego v1.0 anyone used it yet?
May 27 09:00:12 <timeless_mbp> the nokia strings are bad of course :)
May 27 09:00:15 <lucent> the difference between "lock controls" and "lock with a password" are difficult in English perhaps?
May 27 09:00:21 <odin_> well "Secure Device" is an ok label in my UK one
May 27 09:00:36 <timeless_mbp> lucent: the problem is that it was designed in finnish
May 27 09:00:42 <timeless_mbp> and the finns did the translation into english
May 27 09:00:43 <odin_> ok thinking about yours.... you should have one "Turn Off Backlight"
May 27 09:00:52 <timeless_mbp> w/o considering related items
May 27 09:01:01 <odin_> that is what my "Lock screen and keys" does
May 27 09:01:08 <timeless_mbp> odin_: not quite true
May 27 09:01:15 <lucent> it's not surprising, but your observation does ring true :)
May 27 09:01:18 <timeless_mbp> the screen can dim w/o preventing input
May 27 09:01:27 <alterego> Oh, is it still reference UI-less ...
May 27 09:01:28 <odin_> but I also have a button for blacklight on right hand side, the non-latching slider
May 27 09:02:04 <timeless_mbp> odin_: again, it's not controlling the backlight
May 27 09:02:23 <odin_> I bet the DRM system works 100% (sarcasm)
May 27 09:02:51 <timeless_mbp> it mostly prevents the screen from accepting input
May 27 09:03:00 <odin_> what about _MY_ security
May 27 09:03:01 <timeless_mbp> it happens of course to generally mean that the screen is off
May 27 09:03:06 <ruskie> what DRM system?
May 27 09:03:14 <timeless_mbp> but if you get a phone call, the screen won't stay off
May 27 09:03:15 * odin_ looks on ebay for a lead box, that will keep it secure
May 27 09:04:30 <odin_> ruskie, sorry it was a sarcastic reference to the Maemo Security teams current work for Maemo6/MeeGo1.x in relation to "Trusted Execution" and application licensing / application secure storage (which DRM can be built on top of)
May 27 09:05:09 <ruskie> doh
May 27 09:05:21 <odin_> ruskie, the sarcasm is due to glaring issues with personal/data security that exist in Maemo5
May 27 09:05:22 <ruskie> that'll be part of MeeGo?
May 27 09:05:28 <odin_> I believe so
May 27 09:05:46 <timeless_mbp> odin_: maemo didn't promise drm
May 27 09:05:58 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: thank bob for that
May 27 09:06:04 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: yeah well
May 27 09:06:06 <odin_> these new features are a good thing, I just wish the usual security stuff I have on my Symbian handsets was also in Maemo/MeeGo
May 27 09:06:12 <timeless_mbp> bob's planning on taking a vacation
May 27 09:06:41 <alterego> Does the new search feature in the applications manager only search by application name?
May 27 09:06:41 <odin_> timeless_mbp sure sure... well it was announced for Maemo6 but whatever that turns into for the next hardware device release, is then the promise is made for, so until that comes out, its still work-in-progress
May 27 09:06:53 <alterego> I think I prefered the old search system ...
May 27 09:07:22 <ruskie> odin_, what security stuff on symbian?
May 27 09:07:32 <pupnik> ruskie: which fbcon module / kernel are you using? homemade?
May 27 09:08:04 <timeless_mbp> alterego: iirc it searches the one line descriptions too
May 27 09:08:06 <ruskie> pupnik, I used jebbas but with PR1.2 I'll need to roll my own
May 27 09:08:09 <odin_> well my E72 (which is my primary phone), has working SIM locking, working device locking, working MMC encryption (but no idea how secure it really is!)
May 27 09:08:43 <odin_> Im not so fussed about MMC encrpytion the community can deal with that but the other points are really something Nokia should be addressing
May 27 09:09:01 <lucent> is it unwise to restore my application list from Restore when doing an upgrade PR1.1.1 -> PR1.2 ?
May 27 09:09:09 <odin_> since they impact too much potentially close-source items and/or low level hardware, for which they are in the best position to address
May 27 09:09:15 <lucent> any reason not to Restore the app list?
May 27 09:09:38 <ruskie> device locking and sim locking? what's broken?
May 27 09:09:45 <RST38h> lucent: PR1.2 install has not removed any of my apps
May 27 09:09:47 <odin_> the device doesn't lock!
May 27 09:09:57 <redeeman> argh, is there any way to get the onscreen keyboard back to how it was in 1.1?
May 27 09:10:06 <lucent> RST38h: okay, good feedback thanks
May 27 09:10:08 <alterego> timeless_mbp: thanks, I suppose that's not a complete set back. I'm going to try searching for "<up to 40 characters for description>" then :D
May 27 09:10:17 <ghostcube> redeeman: yeah the keyboard sux
May 27 09:10:19 <ghostcube> :D
May 27 09:10:22 <ruskie> odin_, does here
May 27 09:10:37 <redeeman> seriously this is insane, the old one worked so well
May 27 09:10:41 <redeeman> and this one is useless
May 27 09:10:41 <ghostcube> you cant hide it again by any key as you could in 1.1.1
May 27 09:10:46 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, hello.  Yesterday u suggested using microb for google buzz.  Well, after waiting a minute for gmail's web interface to load, it takes another minute when I've hit the buzz text enter widget.  Just FYI
May 27 09:11:05 * odin_ clicks Power Button, then he selects "Lock screen and keys", the backlight goes out, now he slides the right hand slider up and desktop some back (nothing was locked), it should STILL require me to "Slide the slider"
May 27 09:11:21 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: yeah, but it lets you pick pictures from URLs
May 27 09:11:26 <timeless_mbp> just like the real thing, since it is the real thing :)
May 27 09:11:36 <timeless_mbp> my desktop is probably 10x as fast as my phone
May 27 09:11:56 <lucent> redeeman: I haven't got to playing with PR1.2 yet
May 27 09:11:56 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: were you using WiFi, 3.5, 3G, or GPRS?
May 27 09:12:03 <odin_> ruskie, how do I enable the handset to _REQUIRE_ an unlock boot on bootup ?
May 27 09:12:05 <alterego> timeless_mbp: is that all? :P
May 27 09:12:10 <pupnik> imagine n900 with 4-row 14 column keybd :)
May 27 09:12:16 <redeeman> lucent: well i don't recommend you upgrade now, atleast not if you didn't have some major issue you know is fixed
May 27 09:12:22 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, 10MBit via wireless
May 27 09:12:25 <lucent> redeeman: video calling
May 27 09:12:30 <ruskie> odin_, in settings device lock
May 27 09:12:39 <odin_> ruskie, how do I set SIM locking, set PIN, activate, deactivate ?
May 27 09:12:40 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, I guess its because of a ton of javascript that is executed
May 27 09:12:41 <redeeman> video calling is not worth not being able to type
May 27 09:12:55 <timeless_mbp> odin_: if you set Device Lock in control panel to some time interval
May 27 09:12:58 <ruskie> odin_, sim locking under settings phone iirc
May 27 09:13:04 <lucent> that, and I already attempted to install PR1.2 which caused endless rebooting, going back to PR1.1.1 causes my SIM to not be detected, so... stuck upgrading one way or another to PR1.2
May 27 09:13:12 <timeless_mbp> and then walk away, it'll prompt you for you password after that time
May 27 09:13:12 <odin_> ruskie, no I can see "Autolock" and "Change lock code", I want it to require code on power up
May 27 09:13:18 <timeless_mbp> if you don't enter the password
May 27 09:13:29 <timeless_mbp> then you are asked if you want to turn off the phone
May 27 09:13:31 <ruskie> odin_, it does here
May 27 09:13:37 <lucent> redeeman: I think the on screen keyboard is easily modified though
May 27 09:13:37 <timeless_mbp> when you turn it on again, it asks for the password
May 27 09:13:45 <ruskie> odin_, lemme dig it up
May 27 09:13:48 <timeless_mbp> the SIM Lock stuff is unrelated and is optional
May 27 09:14:00 <odin_> ruskie, nope.. under phone I can't require device unlock code on SIM change ?
May 27 09:14:08 <timeless_mbp> odin_: you can't
May 27 09:14:12 <ruskie> on sim change???
May 27 09:14:15 <timeless_mbp> but why is that interesting?
May 27 09:14:22 <odin_> ruskie, yes Symbian phones do it,
May 27 09:14:28 <odin_> its interesting to make my handset WORTHLESS when stolen
May 27 09:14:35 <odin_> you cant have the data, you can't resell it
May 27 09:14:46 <timeless_mbp> odin_: not true :)
May 27 09:14:47 <pigeon> is there a way to reset the accelerometer on the n900 without rebooting?
May 27 09:14:59 <pigeon> it seems to be stuck on one side
May 27 09:15:02 <timeless_mbp> odin_: i highly doubt that the symbian phones encrypt their entire memory
May 27 09:15:03 <ruskie> hmm last I checked my N95 didn't require any codes to switch SIMs as well
May 27 09:15:09 <ruskie> had to install an extra app for that
May 27 09:15:18 <timeless_mbp> odin_: as such, it's merely smoke and mirrors
May 27 09:15:22 <timeless_mbp> which we're missing
May 27 09:15:29 <timeless_mbp> so you have one less useless feature to complain about
May 27 09:15:33 <timeless_mbp> is that a bad thing?
May 27 09:15:51 <ruskie> odin_, yeah it locks for me... maybe you need to set an autolock timeout
May 27 09:16:05 <ruskie> it asks me for lock code AND SIM code when I bootup the thing
May 27 09:16:09 <timeless_mbp> real criminal groups can easily wipe the device
May 27 09:16:11 <alterego> Wow, Apple are now worth more than Microsoft.
May 27 09:16:19 <alterego> Being closed really does pay off!
May 27 09:16:28 <timeless_mbp> and you can also probe the device for its data w/o loading the os
May 27 09:16:34 <timeless_mbp> alterego: eh?
May 27 09:16:39 <odin_> timeless_mbp, in my E72 I have menu items. Control Panel -> Settings -> Security -> Phone and SIM card (PINcode, PIN2code, Keypad autolock, Phone autolock, Lock code, Lock if SIM card changed, Remote phone lockingClosed user group, Confirm SIM services)
May 27 09:16:47 <timeless_mbp> one closed company is worth more than another closed company?
May 27 09:16:50 <ruskie> need food bbl
May 27 09:16:58 <alterego> timeless_mbp: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10168684.stm
May 27 09:17:03 <timeless_mbp> alterego: i know
May 27 09:17:04 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, did you ever test buzz with microb?
May 27 09:17:07 <timeless_mbp> it made bbc-wn-tv
May 27 09:17:10 <MaikB> Just wondering
May 27 09:17:15 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: i buzzed w/ it, yes
May 27 09:17:16 <skyscraper> yo i'm back
May 27 09:17:23 <alterego> timeless_mbp: well, Apple are a new kind of evil realy.
May 27 09:17:25 <timeless_mbp> it worked well enough for my purposes
May 27 09:17:37 <lucent> timeless_mbp: "Freedom from Pornography"
May 27 09:17:38 <odin_> timeless_mbp, in my E72 I have menu items. Control Panel -> Settings -> Phone -> Encryption -> (Phone memory on/off, Memory card on/off)
May 27 09:17:41 <alterego> They've gone way past Microsoft in screwing over FOSS.
May 27 09:17:42 <timeless_mbp> alterego: nah, they're the same company, just more successful
May 27 09:17:46 <alterego> Heh
May 27 09:17:51 <redeeman> well this is a disappointment, i wonder wtf the people that created the new onscreen keyboard were thinking, obviously they're on some new designer drugs
May 27 09:17:58 <skyscraper> anyone NOW here knows anything about n900 audio in?
May 27 09:17:58 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, I've hit publish, and it says "in progress.." for over a minute now
May 27 09:18:01 <MaikB> meh
May 27 09:18:12 <alterego> redeeman: I think it's in preparation for multi-touch and probably portrait mode.
May 27 09:18:17 <lucent> redeeman: relax, I said it, and the on screen keyboard is easily modified
May 27 09:18:19 <odin_> so those are the features and the things that N900/Maemo/MeeGo should aim for
May 27 09:18:20 <alterego> Is the new kbd in Qt?
May 27 09:18:26 <timeless_mbp> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=e72+phone+decryption&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
May 27 09:18:34 <timeless_mbp> sounds like the e72 crypto just gives people headaches
May 27 09:18:36 <timeless_mbp> alterego: no
May 27 09:18:45 <alterego> Oh well.
May 27 09:18:46 <timeless_mbp> the keyboard is still hildon
May 27 09:18:46 <chadi> is there a way to make the menu scroll in PR1.2 faster?
May 27 09:18:46 <redeeman> alterego: well multitouch isn't on this device :)
May 27 09:19:16 <alterego> redeeman: well, if it's not in Qt like timeless_mbp states, then I doubt what I said is the case ;) Maybe it's for a possible portrait implementation ;)
May 27 09:19:27 <odin_> maybe, but as I stated somewhere above... I am not too fussed about eMMC/bulk encryption but all the other things are important ( I see the community as able to make bulk crypto good)
May 27 09:19:28 * lucent cheers \o/ at the return of a working N900 phone with PR1.2 successfully installed
May 27 09:19:39 <skyscraper> oskeybd is sh** - watch the keyb from opera 10 for n900 very nice
May 27 09:19:48 <Corsac> the fact that it's done badly in e72 doesn't mean it couldn't be useful doing correctly on n900 :)
May 27 09:19:53 <redeeman> i like the old onscreen keyboard
May 27 09:19:54 <odin_> ^^^ indeed
May 27 09:20:36 <odin_> Take "Keypad autolock" and "Phone autolock" one is automatic activation of "Lock screen and keys" and the other is automatic activation of "Secure Device"
May 27 09:20:41 <pupnik> e72 design is great for portrait users
May 27 09:20:50 <skyscraper> i like that from opera. useful und iphone like
May 27 09:21:11 <ZogG> sooooo
May 27 09:21:20 <odin_> but the Secure Device might want to have additional options about how to handle data connections, like WLAN/3G/USB and also indepenant firewall setting, like you might secure it by barring incoming connections but allow all outgoing, etc..
May 27 09:21:40 <odin_> I can't wait for MeeGo in E72 format mono-block :)  then I will have 2 MeeGo handset s:)
May 27 09:21:52 <lucent> odin_: you've got to be kidding, about data connections.
May 27 09:22:03 <ZogG> redeeman, me too
May 27 09:22:09 * timeless_mbp ponders
May 27 09:22:10 <skyscraper> so. now trying to search a "media markt" near to me with ovi maps xD
May 27 09:22:15 <timeless_mbp> the e72 claims to use AES
May 27 09:22:44 <ZogG> does e72 get mego?
May 27 09:22:47 <ZogG> meego?
May 27 09:22:48 <odin_> lucent, why ? one known hack of N900 security is that you can attack/access MMC via USB even when locked, maybe its fixed now, but I see it that the USER should be able to control this
May 27 09:23:00 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 27 09:23:03 * timeless_mbp hates nokia web content
May 27 09:23:06 <timeless_mbp> totally useless
May 27 09:23:14 * timeless_mbp can't figure out what the e72 actually uses
May 27 09:23:35 <lucent> odin_: it's not a core OS feature in so far as I am concerned
May 27 09:23:45 <lucent> you do the work, write the code, upload an app
May 27 09:24:00 <timeless_mbp> odin_: you can read the file system w/ special hardware
May 27 09:24:07 <timeless_mbp> just as you can for symbian phones
May 27 09:24:16 <timeless_mbp> and you can reset the phone
May 27 09:24:30 <skyscraper> afk
May 27 09:24:34 <odin_> lucent, indeed!
May 27 09:24:35 <timeless_mbp> your phones are not going to protect you from true evil
May 27 09:24:41 <timeless_mbp> true evil w/ time will win
May 27 09:24:52 <odin_> my BeagleBoard clone is in the van outside my door, yippee!  I went for IGEPv2
May 27 09:25:07 <ZogG> hildon is part of maemo right?
May 27 09:25:16 <timeless_mbp> yes
May 27 09:25:16 <TheGerman> is "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" ok to install then new firmware without flashing?
May 27 09:25:20 <ZogG> and maemo is prop. right?
May 27 09:25:22 <timeless_mbp> well, maemo 5 and older :)
May 27 09:25:26 <timeless_mbp> 'prop.'?
May 27 09:25:40 <timeless_mbp> TheGerman: you don't want other repos enabled if you do that
May 27 09:25:46 <timeless_mbp> and officially you should use app manager
May 27 09:25:57 <odin_> lucent, my BeagleBoard thingy should help me address these "security" matters
May 27 09:26:10 <timeless_mbp> i don't think apt-get will say "hey, you don't have enough power not to fry me if you try this"
May 27 09:26:11 <ZogG> timeless_mbp binaries only, you can't take UI out that's what i mean
May 27 09:26:17 <timeless_mbp> (not certain)
May 27 09:26:31 <timeless_mbp> ZogG: hildon is open source
May 27 09:26:33 <ZogG> i was thinking to get maemo UIX on meego
May 27 09:26:35 <ZogG> =)
May 27 09:26:38 <Ikarus> TheGerman: I wouldn't recommend it, I dropped my N900 into a reboot loop
May 27 09:26:45 <pupnik> no fbcon in .37 kernel-power
May 27 09:26:47 <ZogG> timeless_mbp can i get it run on meego?
May 27 09:27:06 <timeless_mbp> ZogG: um
May 27 09:27:11 <TheGerman> ZogG : orginal or poweruser kernel?
May 27 09:27:13 <timeless_mbp> meego is a collection of bits
May 27 09:27:18 <timeless_mbp> a linux kernel, and a userland
May 27 09:27:25 <timeless_mbp> it doesn't include hardware
May 27 09:27:32 <Stskeeps> ZogG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-KQ6wPJ04
May 27 09:27:37 <timeless_mbp> but nothing about meego is so special that it would prevent other libraries from running on it
May 27 09:27:48 <lucent> Ikarus: ditto, reboot loop here when I tried installing PR1.2 OTA
May 27 09:27:50 <timeless_mbp> *unlike* android
May 27 09:27:54 <timeless_mbp> which has a special libc
May 27 09:27:57 <timeless_mbp> and special kernel
May 27 09:27:59 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/E72/
May 27 09:28:24 <ZogG> timeless_mbp it does as i understand part of them
May 27 09:28:38 <TheGerman> ZogG : have u installed the poweruser kernel before upgrade?
May 27 09:28:49 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: is that finnish in the background?
May 27 09:28:55 <ZogG> TheGerman, nope, why would i?
May 27 09:28:55 <TheGerman> maybe this was the problem
May 27 09:28:57 <defragger> is it possible to add extras-devel to application manager?
May 27 09:29:03 <timeless_mbp> yeah, it is
May 27 09:29:03 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: no idea
May 27 09:29:07 <ZogG> TheGerman, what problem?
May 27 09:29:10 * timeless_mbp heard "noni"
May 27 09:29:13 <TheGerman> reboot loop
May 27 09:29:14 <ZogG> defragger, yes
May 27 09:29:22 <ZogG> TheGerman, i don't have one =)
May 27 09:29:30 <defragger> ZogG: what link?
May 27 09:29:37 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: "joku viis vastausta"
May 27 09:29:47 <TheGerman> aww, sorry i mean Ikarus :D
May 27 09:29:50 <Aranel> how can I edit the new menu on PR1.2?
May 27 09:29:51 <ZogG> defragger ?
May 27 09:29:56 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: it's Finnish
May 27 09:30:09 <ghostcube> Aranel: touch the icons for 2 seconds
May 27 09:30:12 * ZogG is confused
May 27 09:30:18 <defragger> ZogG: what do i have to add to my application manager to get to extras devel?
May 27 09:30:32 <Aranel> ghostcube: thanks =)
May 27 09:30:34 <ZogG> defragger, oh, just write it by hand
May 27 09:30:34 <Scelt> Aranel: push icon on menu for 2 secs
May 27 09:30:46 <TheGerman> Ikarus : same question :D
May 27 09:30:48 <Appiah> defragger: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel
May 27 09:30:58 <ZogG> defragger, catalogues, new, and than fill the info
May 27 09:31:03 <defragger> oh cool thanks :)
May 27 09:31:05 <Appiah> check on the bottom of that page
May 27 09:31:13 <timeless_mbp> Scelt: the spec page is useless
May 27 09:31:22 <Appiah> and read the warning on the top defragger :)
May 27 09:31:23 <timeless_mbp> sure it provides crypto apis to java
May 27 09:31:25 <Ikarus> TheGerman: no, using standard kernel
May 27 09:31:38 * timeless_mbp hates nokia web content
May 27 09:31:40 <ZogG> so who gonna leak nokia's drivers =)
May 27 09:31:43 <Aranel> do I have some missing icons? Like wifi icons? On PR1.2, there's no "signal strength icon" on the left on connection dialog, right?
May 27 09:32:48 <timeless_mbp> there should be signal strength icons
May 27 09:32:53 <timeless_mbp> do you have a bad theme?
May 27 09:33:03 <timeless_mbp> someone else reported a theme which hurt the OSK
May 27 09:33:27 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: using the default n-series theme. But I also have some other themes.
May 27 09:33:37 <TheGerman> hmh, ill make a backup and try it :D
May 27 09:33:46 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: I didnt have any problem before the upgrade.
May 27 09:33:50 <ghostcube> Aranel: update through repos?
May 27 09:33:55 <Aranel> ghostcube: yes
May 27 09:34:00 <ghostcube> from terminal?
May 27 09:34:01 <ZogG> Aranel no you do TADA
May 27 09:34:03 <timeless_mbp> Aranel: there are 3 rings above the circle for wifi
May 27 09:34:07 <TheGerman> if it's in booting loop, i'll flash it with meego and then with pr1.2 :D
May 27 09:34:11 <Aranel> ghostcube: no. from HAM
May 27 09:34:15 <timeless_mbp> you can have 0, 1, 2, or 3 rings white
May 27 09:34:18 <timeless_mbp> i'm using digital nature
May 27 09:34:25 <timeless_mbp> which is the "other theme"
May 27 09:34:28 <ZogG> TheGerman, go with win6.5
May 27 09:34:29 <timeless_mbp> nseries is ****
May 27 09:34:37 <ghostcube> maybe try if the xterm apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade brings in some packages
May 27 09:34:48 <TheGerman> i just want try meego :D
May 27 09:35:01 <ZogG> timeless_mbp it's nice, but there thing with too much colours
May 27 09:35:18 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: Reflect, Digital Nature, Nokia NSeries.
May 27 09:35:19 <TheGerman> i hate rpm, but i am curious
May 27 09:35:21 <ruskie> I've modified digital nature to be well green
May 27 09:35:29 <ghostcube> rpm sux
May 27 09:35:44 <corecode> so is it true?
May 27 09:35:45 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: I also had maemo-org and marina, removed before the upgrade.
May 27 09:35:47 <corecode> there is 1.2?
May 27 09:35:50 <ruskie> yup
May 27 09:35:54 <ghostcube> yo
May 27 09:35:56 <TheGerman> yep, its loading^^
May 27 09:35:57 <corecode> heh
May 27 09:36:02 <ghostcube> i killed my 1.2 already lol
May 27 09:36:04 <corecode> meego?
May 27 09:36:08 <ghostcube> no maemo
May 27 09:36:11 <corecode> is there a preview available?
May 27 09:36:19 <ghostcube> of what?
May 27 09:36:31 <timeless_mbp> cute
May 27 09:36:33 * timeless_mbp can't open themes
May 27 09:36:34 <corecode> meego
May 27 09:36:40 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: ping, can you open 'themes'?
May 27 09:37:18 * timeless_mbp crashes themes
May 27 09:37:46 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 27 09:37:55 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: corematic's cert expired 12 days ago
May 27 09:39:10 <RST38h> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53996 (check the Join Dates)
May 27 09:39:58 <SWFu64> Does anyone know i the monitor mode patch is in PR 1.2?
May 27 09:40:24 <timeless_mbp> SWFu64: eh?
May 27 09:40:37 <SWFu64> Wireless monior mode patch
May 27 09:41:10 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: (lock) I suggest "dim & lock touchscreen"  and "security device lock"
May 27 09:41:57 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: 99% certain those don't fit
May 27 09:42:08 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, always the problem
May 27 09:42:10 <timeless_mbp> "Close application" is my widest string
May 27 09:42:21 <timeless_mbp> you can have about 4 'n's longer than that string
May 27 09:42:33 <DocScrutinizer> make that "screen lock"
May 27 09:42:33 <timeless_mbp> and it's a proportionally spaced font
May 27 09:42:54 <DocScrutinizer> and "SECURE LOCK"
May 27 09:43:06 <DocScrutinizer> (capitals on purpose)
May 27 09:43:27 <timeless_mbp> way too similar
May 27 09:43:35 <timeless_mbp> i'm considering "Lock" and "Prevent input"
May 27 09:43:45 <timeless_mbp> maybe "Pocket mode"
May 27 09:44:04 <DocScrutinizer> pocket mode is quite nice
May 27 09:44:11 <timeless_mbp> objections to Pocket mode?
May 27 09:44:21 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 27 09:44:23 <timeless_mbp> it goes nicely w/ Flight mode and Tablet mode
May 27 09:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> full acl
May 27 09:44:34 <Stskeeps> how about purse mode?
May 27 09:44:36 <DocScrutinizer> ack even
May 27 09:45:01 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: i don't think it'll fit into you average male's wallet :)
May 27 09:45:07 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: blargh, I'd expect it is like pw wallet
May 27 09:45:23 <timeless_mbp> i think Pocket mode is a winner
May 27 09:46:02 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: btw, are you using my strings? :)
May 27 09:46:05 <timeless_mbp> ok, last thing
May 27 09:46:13 <timeless_mbp> "Device Lock" the item in Settings
May 27 09:46:32 <timeless_mbp> i *believe* that label is shared between the icon and the dialog <bug>
May 27 09:46:44 <timeless_mbp> it has two items "Autolock after" <interval>
May 27 09:46:49 <TomaszD> zaheerm, around?
May 27 09:46:49 <Stskeeps> i'm really wondering if most n900 owners are emo kids, they certainly seem so..
May 27 09:46:50 <Stskeeps> :P
May 27 09:46:56 <timeless_mbp> and "Change code"
May 27 09:47:04 * TomaszD cuts himself
May 27 09:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: dunno
May 27 09:47:13 <timeless_mbp> dunno which? :)
May 27 09:47:17 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: I'm not actively using any string
May 27 09:47:23 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
May 27 09:47:38 <timeless_mbp> you'd know it if you were using mine :)
May 27 09:47:55 <corecode> "not enough memory in target location"?
May 27 09:48:05 <corecode> what does it mean by that?
May 27 09:48:19 <timeless_mbp> corecode: is this from App manager?
May 27 09:48:24 <corecode> yes
May 27 09:48:47 <timeless_mbp> gimme a minute to get a translation?
May 27 09:49:26 <corecode> sure
May 27 09:49:50 <zaheerm> TomaszD, yep
May 27 09:49:57 <ZogG> timeless_mbp, in which language?
May 27 09:51:42 <timeless_mbp> ZogG: well, i generally translate from Fingrish into English
May 27 09:51:54 <timeless_mbp> but i can translate from Fingrish into nl-FI if you prefer
May 27 09:52:05 <ZogG> i prefer russian
May 27 09:52:12 <timeless_mbp> ru-FI is also available
May 27 09:52:15 <Aranel> It reverts back to default after pressing "Done" on menu customization. Why is that?
May 27 09:52:36 <timeless_mbp> Aranel: did you tap an item and tap a new location for the item?
May 27 09:52:54 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: yes, after that I pressed "Done" and it didnt save.
May 27 09:53:08 <timeless_mbp> Aranel: are you using catorise?
May 27 09:53:17 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: no
May 27 09:53:51 * timeless_mbp shrugs
May 27 09:54:10 <timeless_mbp> catorize (en-US locale display name) isn't compatible w/ that feature, so i don't use it
May 27 09:54:46 <Shapeshifter> PSX4All vs. PCSX - Which to choose?
May 27 09:54:54 <timeless_mbp> corecode: so, you probably hit sfil_ni_not_enough_memory
May 27 09:54:59 <timeless_mbp> which is a generic message :)
May 27 09:55:02 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: but I dont use Catorise or MyMenu
May 27 09:55:11 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, I gave microb 20 minutes to buzz a message, it just stuck at the "in progress.."
May 27 09:55:19 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: hrm
May 27 09:56:06 <timeless_mbp> corecode: what it probably means is that your root file system is too full to enable you to install the update
May 27 09:56:19 <timeless_mbp> (and that the people who did ham were too lazy to get their own error messages)
May 27 09:56:42 <timeless_mbp> # Information note presented when there is not enough memory to do the operation
May 27 09:56:42 <timeless_mbp> msgid "sfil_ni_not_enough_memory"
May 27 09:56:42 <timeless_mbp> msgstr "Not enough space in target location"
May 27 09:57:28 * timeless_mbp pokes mxr
May 27 09:57:33 <timeless_mbp> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=sfil_ni_not_enough_memory&find=application-m
May 27 09:59:38 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: s/memory/storage/G
May 27 09:59:46 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, speaking of error messages... I had to flash 1.2 onto my N900. The update dialog told me so without giving me the reason.  I tried to find a log file that contains the relevant infos, but I didn't found one.  Is there one?
May 27 10:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: memory == RAM on most parts of the educated world
May 27 10:00:24 <vanad1s> corecode, "not enough memory in target location" -> got this error too
May 27 10:01:13 <timeless_mbp> MaikB: i think the answer is that there isn't really
May 27 10:01:21 <DocScrutinizer> fingrish->English: "not enough free storage space on target drive"
May 27 10:01:22 <timeless_mbp> if you use apt-get you can find out what's conflicting (in theory)
May 27 10:01:30 <vanad1s> currently trying to free as much space as possible
May 27 10:01:46 <timeless_mbp> vanad1s + corecode: keep in mind that you need to free space from the root file system
May 27 10:02:08 <MaikB> timeless_mbp, i c
May 27 10:02:22 <timeless_mbp> which is not reported in "Storage" in Settings
May 27 10:02:23 <vanad1s> timeless_mbp: but how much does it need? And how do i check, how much i have?
May 27 10:02:35 <timeless_mbp> vanad1s: i think 60mb is enough (don't you dare quote me!)
May 27 10:02:38 <timeless_mbp> and df -h /
May 27 10:03:00 <timeless_mbp> vanad1s + corecode: the simplest way to free space is to disable all the repositories you don't need
May 27 10:03:20 <timeless_mbp> esp "extras" and "extras-devel"
May 27 10:03:33 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
May 27 10:03:42 <timeless_mbp> there's a wiki faq page for this, DocScrutinizer++
May 27 10:03:46 <DocScrutinizer> please see /topic
May 27 10:03:47 <vanad1s> oh great, thx
May 27 10:04:08 <BugBlue> dear f**** nokia, I already have PR1.2 I don't need to surf to your website just after the update
May 27 10:04:34 <timeless_mbp> BugBlue: eh?
May 27 10:04:43 <timeless_mbp> what did it do?!
May 27 10:05:05 <BugBlue> I just got an SMS from nokia that there is 'new software with nice features at nokia.com/softwareupdate/ or so'
May 27 10:05:27 <BugBlue> after I upgraded I got an SMS 'welcome back to OVI'
May 27 10:05:38 <timeless_mbp> BugBlue: you must have opted in for 'My Nokia'
May 27 10:05:40 <BugBlue> seems that my phone does send some information to nokia
May 27 10:05:41 <timeless_mbp> welcome to cherry
May 27 10:05:53 <BugBlue> time to opt-out
May 27 10:05:57 <timeless_mbp> it's a mandatory feature for all nokia products
May 27 10:06:10 <timeless_mbp> it's in Settings near 'About'
May 27 10:06:16 <timeless_mbp> http://www.nokia.com/softwareupdate/
May 27 10:06:27 <timeless_mbp> Oops. Lost?
May 27 10:06:31 <timeless_mbp> Don't worry, it's not serious, but it looks like the page you've requested isn't available.
May 27 10:06:46 <BugBlue> unsubscribe
May 27 10:06:46 <timeless_mbp> BugBlue: what was the exact url?
May 27 10:07:09 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: clicking outside the box is appaerently also opt-in then....
May 27 10:07:23 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 27 10:07:26 <BugBlue> nokia.com/softwareupdate without a /
May 27 10:07:44 <BugBlue> Ikarus: like thinking outside the box? :P
May 27 10:07:46 <Ikarus> and clicking unsubscribe doesn't seem to unsubscribe
May 27 10:07:55 <ghostcube> wow flashing is fast
May 27 10:07:58 <Ikarus> BugBlue: :)
May 27 10:08:00 <timeless_mbp> BugBlue: thanks, wow, they're clever
May 27 10:08:03 <ghostcube> if i knew this yesterday i had done it direct :D
May 27 10:08:11 <DocScrutinizer> "activate MyNokia?" [yes] [ok] [go ahead] [continue]
May 27 10:08:34 <Ikarus> I don't need more spam
May 27 10:08:36 <BugBlue> let me see how much this charges me on my phone bill later this week
May 27 10:09:01 <DocScrutinizer> "deactivate MyNokia?" [no] [abort] [back] [exit]
May 27 10:09:04 <Ikarus> BugBlue: if they are premium I am demanding money back from Nokia :P
May 27 10:10:14 <BugBlue> 21 cents... seems to be normal SMS costs
May 27 10:10:20 <Ikarus> yeah, looks like it
May 27 10:10:27 <BugBlue> which means I lost 42 cents for this joke
May 27 10:10:30 <timeless_mbp> it costs you 21c for 1 sms?
May 27 10:10:36 <timeless_mbp> wow?
May 27 10:10:38 <BugBlue> timeless_mbp: yes, I have no SMS plan
May 27 10:10:41 <BugBlue> I *never* sms
May 27 10:11:03 <BugBlue> timeless_mbp: I pay for roaming internet in the EU only 5 EUR/Day flat fee
May 27 10:11:04 <DocScrutinizer> BugBlue: here in Germany some reseller sold Nokia smartphones with SIM contract with NO dataplan (means you pay by the KB), phone did a update and user had to pay 450EUR ;-P
May 27 10:11:06 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: I have unlimited HSDPA, why would I want SMS (although mine are only 17 cents)
May 27 10:11:14 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: youch
May 27 10:11:16 <Shapeshifter> BugBlue: that is quite awesome
May 27 10:11:23 <timeless_mbp> BugBlue: um
May 27 10:11:28 <Ikarus> Shapeshifter: it's called T-mobile
May 27 10:11:29 <BugBlue> Shapeshifter: Ikarus has the same plan I presume :-)
May 27 10:11:30 <timeless_mbp> 5 EUR/day flat sounds amazing
May 27 10:11:33 <timeless_mbp> does that include data?
May 27 10:11:34 <Ikarus> BugBlue: yup
May 27 10:11:37 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: ofcourse
May 27 10:11:43 <timeless_mbp> ****
May 27 10:11:44 <BugBlue> timeless_mbp: that's data roaming .. call roaming costs a lot more
May 27 10:11:51 <timeless_mbp> ?!
May 27 10:11:56 <Shapeshifter> who needs calls
May 27 10:11:56 <timeless_mbp> i want your provider
May 27 10:11:57 <BugBlue> timeless_mbp: that's why I call via SIP when abroad
May 27 10:12:08 <BugBlue> Shapeshifter: I do... with SIP via 3G :P
May 27 10:12:18 <timeless_mbp> if i roam for a week in Europe, i typically hit 1000EUR
May 27 10:12:28 <Shapeshifter> whoa
May 27 10:12:33 <BugBlue> if I roam for a week in europe I do hit about 35 EUR
May 27 10:12:43 <timeless_mbp> (two phones)
May 27 10:12:59 <BugBlue> my E51 uses my N900 for uplink
May 27 10:13:08 <timeless_mbp> actually maybe it's closer to two weeks
May 27 10:13:23 * timeless_mbp tries to calculate if 11 days is closer to 1 or 2 weeks :)
May 27 10:13:48 <timeless_mbp> BugBlue: wifi sharing?
May 27 10:13:53 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: ever considered Iridium or Suraya? They can't be any more expensive :-P
May 27 10:13:56 <Ikarus> PAN I assmume
May 27 10:14:00 <Ikarus> assume
May 27 10:14:12 <timeless_mbp> Ikarus: n900 doesn't have pan out of the box..
May 27 10:14:19 * timeless_mbp isn't even sure if s60 has pan support
May 27 10:14:21 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: it has
May 27 10:14:24 <BugBlue> timeless_mbp: wifi... but I now do have to upgrade the kernel again
May 27 10:14:32 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: my laptop was just connected via bluetooth PAN
May 27 10:14:45 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: what the N900 doesn't have is PAN client mode
May 27 10:14:48 * BugBlue off to lunch
May 27 10:14:51 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: but it works as a gateway
May 27 10:15:06 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwNWviK5z0Q
May 27 10:15:17 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: aiui both do even CSD data, suraya at an incredible price per minute of <0.3$ iirc
May 27 10:15:41 * timeless_mbp ponders
May 27 10:15:42 <Ikarus> it's what my fight with DBus is all about, getting my laptop to log on via PAN without using NetworkManager
May 27 10:15:55 <timeless_mbp> what would that get me at 1.22USD = 1EUR for 1000EUR?
May 27 10:16:25 <timeless_mbp> that's 3 days continuous use
May 27 10:16:26 <vanad1s> f***, i guess i'm just gonna reflash the device
May 27 10:16:29 <timeless_mbp> if i got my math right
May 27 10:16:47 <timeless_mbp> that's about a week or so
May 27 10:16:52 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: *shudder*
May 27 10:17:02 <Ikarus> I am glad with my 5 euro a day limited plan
May 27 10:17:18 <timeless_mbp> Ikarus: as long as i don't go over 1000eur, it doesn't matter
May 27 10:17:19 <Ikarus> even if I do have to call when they kick me down to dial up rates after some time
May 27 10:17:25 <DocScrutinizer> Ikarus: not via satellite though :-P
May 27 10:17:26 <Ikarus> timeless_mbp: your boss must be awesome
May 27 10:17:30 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: heh
May 27 10:17:30 <Trewas> data roaming can be somewhat expensive, for example upgrade to pr1.2 while roaming with finnish SIM in russia is about 1400 euros
May 27 10:17:39 <Ikarus> Trewas: ...
May 27 10:17:44 <Ikarus> Trewas: you haven't tried that right
May 27 10:17:47 <timeless_mbp> ...
May 27 10:18:07 <Trewas> Ikarus: of course not, but I am going to visit there for a couple of days and checked the prices... now I know to be careful :)
May 27 10:18:17 <Ikarus> Trewas: Russia is dead expensive roaming
May 27 10:18:26 <Ikarus> 3 euro/minute stuff
May 27 10:19:04 <DocScrutinizer> Ikarus: in Russia the few stupid have to pay for all the hacked phones to keep the service up and running :-P
May 27 10:19:34 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: heheh
May 27 10:19:58 <ghostcube> wow the flashing killed my sd card with all my backups on it
May 27 10:19:59 <Trewas> 11 euros per megabyte in russia with DNA as operator, and it is not that much cheaper even in EU countries
May 27 10:20:01 <ghostcube> -.-
May 27 10:20:05 <Ikarus> ghostcube: then you did it WRONG
May 27 10:20:23 <Ikarus> Trewas: uh, as said, BugBlue and me have 5 euro a day max unlimited EU roaming
May 27 10:20:31 <Ikarus> Trewas: from T-mobile
May 27 10:20:33 <ghostcube> Ikarus why should i ?
May 27 10:20:55 <Ikarus> ghostcube: normally flashing doesn't touch your SD card or the /home and MyDocs sections
May 27 10:21:03 <ghostcube> yeah my sd is killed
May 27 10:21:07 * DocScrutinizer considers to put BIG FAT WARNING to wiki, to remove SIM and uSD(!!!) before updating
May 27 10:21:13 <ghostcube> its damaged i think its becaus of taken out the batterie
May 27 10:21:27 <arachnist> DocScrutinizer: why remove sim?
May 27 10:21:31 <DocScrutinizer> ghostcube: you're not the first one reporting such issue
May 27 10:21:37 <ghostcube> damn
May 27 10:21:41 <Ikarus> ghostcube: that is just bizarre
May 27 10:21:52 <ghostcube> yep ... but it happened
May 27 10:21:59 <DocScrutinizer> arachnist: just to be on the safe side
May 27 10:22:48 <pupnik> my sim icon is dead. but i havent rebooted
May 27 10:22:50 <DocScrutinizer> arachnist: there was a case yesterday where the contacts app crashed 2s after start, until all SIM borne contacts were deleted
May 27 10:22:53 <loufoque_maemo> is it normal i'm still not offered OTA ?
May 27 10:23:18 <DocScrutinizer> arachnist: for obvious reasons I guess the erase was done on another phone
May 27 10:24:12 <ghostcube> ok, i need a new sd its broken
May 27 10:24:16 <ghostcube> cant get access to it
May 27 10:24:16 <Ikarus> but erm, reformatting the SD not sufficient ?
May 27 10:24:45 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: is there a bug up on the N900 killing uSD and SIM cards ?
May 27 10:24:48 <ghostcube> 40 euros for the trash
May 27 10:24:58 <Ikarus> ghostcube: call Nokia
May 27 10:25:03 <Shapeshifter> mhh. I installed openttd, openttd-data and openttd-opengfx and still, if I launch it, I get "Error: Cannot open file 'sample.cat'". Do i really need to get the file manually from somewhere and place it somewhere else? I can't remember having done that when I installed openttd on PR1.1.1...
May 27 10:25:36 <Ikarus> (although they can argue that their EULA exempts them from this, most EU countries have laws banning such exclusions)
May 27 10:27:07 <noobmonk3y> hmmmmm has the ovi update happenned? http://www.cellbharat.com/blog/7774/nokia-n900-gets-version-1-2-firmware-update/ Suggests there is more content, cant see it at all though
May 27 10:27:24 <DocScrutinizer> Ikarus: no, SIM contacts kill contacts app ocasionally. Also there were at least 2 reports about corrupted uSD now
May 27 10:27:48 <visz> noobmonk3y, it's all lies
May 27 10:27:55 <noobmonk3y> as per usual :P
May 27 10:28:04 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: yes, but corrupt I get, but unable to recover even with formatting
May 27 10:28:07 <Ikarus> I can't imagine how
May 27 10:28:53 <DocScrutinizer> nah, not seen yet. Either card is borked from beginning, or a new partitioning and mkfs should recover it
May 27 10:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> yet to see a SD card being eaten by a device completely
May 27 10:32:42 <Shapeshifter> Mh. My desktops are kinda empty. there really aren't too many good widgets. any favourites?
May 27 10:32:51 * noobmonk3y laughs
May 27 10:32:53 <DocScrutinizer> ghostcube: if the card's MBR is corrupt, it might not be mounted at all, and this resulting in FM doesn't show it
May 27 10:33:13 <ghostcube> DocScrutinizer: yep seems so
May 27 10:33:20 <ghostcube> i calling nokia at the moment
May 27 10:34:09 <DocScrutinizer> I never tested how N900 handles uSD with corrupt MBR. Anyway I suggest you do a complete fresh format of the card on your PC
May 27 10:34:49 <ghostcube> nokia told me, so i have used the maeomo flasing tool
May 27 10:34:54 <ghostcube> they dont care if its borked
May 27 10:35:01 <ghostcube> its not recommended
May 27 10:35:04 <ghostcube> o.O
May 27 10:35:11 <ghostcube> wtf
May 27 10:35:15 <DocScrutinizer> huh?
May 27 10:35:19 <Stskeeps> well, the official way is NSU
May 27 10:35:27 * noobmonk3y throws a B0rked trout @ frals 
May 27 10:35:35 <noobmonk3y> Stskeeps: the official borked way? :)
May 27 10:35:39 * frals throws a whale at noobmonk3y
May 27 10:35:47 <noobmonk3y> frals: interesting
May 27 10:35:48 <tybollt> heh
May 27 10:36:02 * DocScrutinizer trows a galaxy at noobmonk3y and frals
May 27 10:36:07 * noobmonk3y throws frals at a whale
May 27 10:36:13 * noobmonk3y eats the galaxy
May 27 10:36:14 <ghostcube> DocScrutinizer: i cant tell more they just told me dont use the flashing tool o maemo.org
May 27 10:36:15 * noobmonk3y farts
May 27 10:36:23 <ghostcube> :|
May 27 10:36:29 * tybollt throws a noobmonk3y at the whale
May 27 10:36:34 * noobmonk3y giggles in mid air
May 27 10:36:41 <Stskeeps> This software is work-in-progress and use of this software requires special skills and knowledge. The software and the instructions provided herein or with the software may not be complete. Improper use or installation of this software may harm the device you are installing it into, or the device you are using it with. By accepting the following License Agreement you also agree to use this software at your own risk and accept that ...
May 27 10:36:47 <Stskeeps> ... Nokia assumes no liability and does not provide any warranties, support or services related to the software.
May 27 10:36:50 <Stskeeps> :P
May 27 10:36:51 <DocScrutinizer> ghostcube: I can't comment on that. I don't understand that
May 27 10:37:17 <noobmonk3y> lmfao my n900 is jhonny 5
May 27 10:37:30 <tybollt> jhonny 5?
May 27 10:37:30 <noobmonk3y> i'm watching it sit flat on a desk swapping between portrait and landscape on it's own
May 27 10:37:41 <noobmonk3y> johnny5* alive!
May 27 10:37:41 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: which is that?
May 27 10:37:48 <noobmonk3y> (80's film)
May 27 10:38:11 <ghostcube> number 5 lives
May 27 10:38:29 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: OVI self destructor app
May 27 10:38:39 <tybollt> Stskeeps: Everytime I read those disclaimers and what not I am thinking to myself they could just replace the text w/ "Hi customer - FUCK YOU! bye..."
May 27 10:38:42 <timeless_mbp> thanks,, i think i'll pass :)
May 27 10:39:03 <timeless_mbp> tybollt =~ s/customer/sucker/
May 27 10:39:13 <ghostcube> DocScrutinizer: best is i told the guy on the phon eoTA crashed and i need the flasing utility cause your nsu sux
May 27 10:39:20 <ghostcube> he told me he cant do anything for me
May 27 10:39:21 <SpeedEvil> tybollt: I'm astounded that they don't get people to actually read them.
May 27 10:39:24 <noobmonk3y> tybollt:  i think they would phrase it differently "Oh shit we have a customer.... what shall we do, run , run for the hillllllllllls!"
May 27 10:39:27 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: customer == sucker >:)
May 27 10:39:47 <DocScrutinizer> ghostcube: I hope he answered RTFW
May 27 10:39:52 <tybollt> run tio the hills run for your liiiiiife....
May 27 10:39:56 <Ikarus> Stskeeps: guess what, those terms don't survive in most European courts
May 27 10:39:56 <tybollt> aaah the nostalgia >:)
May 27 10:39:57 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261
May 27 10:39:59 <povbot`> Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect.
May 27 10:40:06 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: awesome
May 27 10:40:27 <noobmonk3y> bug 10261
May 27 10:40:27 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect.
May 27 10:40:29 <noobmonk3y> meh
May 27 10:40:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell ghostcube about flashing
May 27 10:40:34 <noobmonk3y> bot's are on form today
May 27 10:40:48 <noobmonk3y> ~tell frals where to stick his trouts
May 27 10:40:53 <tybollt> ~tell tybollt to fuck off
May 27 10:41:00 <ghostcube> DocScrutinizer: i did it this way upadte worked fine
May 27 10:41:03 <ghostcube> only sd get killed
May 27 10:41:06 <noobmonk3y> [11:40] <infobot>  No, noobmonk3y, I won't. (target invalid?)
May 27 10:41:08 <noobmonk3y> lol!
May 27 10:41:22 <tybollt> =)
May 27 10:41:27 <DocScrutinizer> ghostcube: so please REFORMAT your SD
May 27 10:41:37 <SpeedEvil> ghostcube: Killed - or erased?
May 27 10:41:38 * noobmonk3y throws bacon at lcuk 
May 27 10:41:51 <DocScrutinizer> ghostcube: ...as bitching about flasher tool won't help recover it
May 27 10:41:53 <ghostcube> must check dont have an real card reader for usd
May 27 10:42:05 <timeless_mbp> someone please send ian stirling a box of candies for me?
May 27 10:42:11 <timeless_mbp> i'll send money to pay for the candy
May 27 10:42:12 <ghostcube> DocScrutinizer: iam not bitchin about flaher tool nokia does lol
May 27 10:42:24 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: why?
May 27 10:42:34 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: the bug above ^^
May 27 10:42:52 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: and knowing you diss terva leijona - those candy are probably pretty icky tasty :P
May 27 10:42:53 <timeless_mbp> that he actually read the license and spent the time to explain why it was totally broken
May 27 10:42:55 <tybollt> tasting
May 27 10:43:02 <DocScrutinizer> ghostcube: FWIW I added a warning to the wiki page
May 27 10:43:08 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: i'd hope they'd send him candy he'd appreciate
May 27 10:43:14 <timeless_mbp> i'm not going to pay someone to send him poison!
May 27 10:43:16 <ghostcube> DocScrutinizer: yeah thats good !
May 27 10:43:22 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: :-D
May 27 10:43:23 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: do link to relevant bugs
May 27 10:43:38 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: warnings without clear explaination are a scourge
May 27 10:43:43 <DocScrutinizer> Ikarus: I don't even know if there are
May 27 10:43:52 <Ikarus> heh, ask the affected uses
May 27 10:43:55 <Ikarus> users
May 27 10:43:58 <Ikarus> that is you ghostcube
May 27 10:44:06 <corecode> apt-get clean was sufficient
May 27 10:44:13 <corecode> dunno why that is on root
May 27 10:44:16 <ghostcube> :)
May 27 10:46:00 <DocScrutinizer> corecode: because apt isn't optified?
May 27 10:46:34 <corecode> sad
May 27 10:46:45 <timeless_mbp> corecode: we improved the stuff users should officially use
May 27 10:46:48 <DocScrutinizer> ~optification
May 27 10:46:49 <infobot> well, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs
May 27 10:46:55 <timeless_mbp> not the stuff that happens to be there but isn't for general use
May 27 10:47:00 <timeless_mbp> if we hack the underlying levels
May 27 10:47:11 <timeless_mbp> then experts will complain that we messed with it
May 27 10:47:21 <corecode> heh
May 27 10:47:27 <corecode> silly experts :)
May 27 10:47:31 <corecode> thanks anyhow
May 27 10:47:47 <DocScrutinizer> create a decent dedicated partition on eMMC for /usr and /var, and nuke optification
May 27 10:48:22 <RST38h> Doc: and then the whole system becomes even slower
May 27 10:48:43 <timeless_mbp> and it might not boot
May 27 10:48:52 <timeless_mbp> if it needs stuff from /usr before /usr is available
May 27 10:48:56 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: possible, but not inevitably
May 27 10:49:25 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: that's a simple matter of doing the init right
May 27 10:49:44 <timeless_mbp> 'simple'
May 27 10:49:58 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: of course /usr is supposed to be mounted before init scripts access stuff from there
May 27 10:50:19 <DocScrutinizer> btw that's the whole rationale of /usr
May 27 10:50:24 <DocScrutinizer> always been
May 27 10:51:08 <DocScrutinizer> /usr per definitionem holds the stuff not needed for booting
May 27 10:51:47 <RST38h> "Symbian^3 to launch on non-Nokia handset, courtesy of 'Asian vendor'"
May 27 10:52:09 * RST38h suspects there is an internal war going on at Nokia
May 27 10:52:13 <DocScrutinizer> init -s MUST succeed with a completely borked or even removed /usr drive
May 27 10:52:26 <asj_> RST38h: Nokla go go! ;)
May 27 10:52:40 <DocScrutinizer> same for /home, and /var
May 27 10:52:47 <RST38h> The only possible explanation for this part of news
May 27 10:52:55 <DocScrutinizer> that's btw the reason ~root is on /
May 27 10:53:02 <DocScrutinizer> and not on /home
May 27 10:53:16 <SpeedEvil> timeless: As it happens - nokia is sending me money. But for a study on usability, and just the once. :)
May 27 10:54:54 <SpeedEvil> Also - anyone that can - substiting the candy for broken n900s :)
May 27 10:55:16 <Stskeeps> dneary: thanks for the book recommendations, managed to get producing oss and art of community.. getting peopleware some other time
May 27 10:55:35 <dneary> Stskeeps, Cool
May 27 10:55:39 <dneary> Glad to help
May 27 10:55:55 <Stskeeps> is good to put words on experiences
May 27 10:56:59 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: if you need to faststart a particular app that resides on /usr, you are free to symlink it back to /MyFaststartUsrAux/fastapp.a on NAND
May 27 10:57:28 <DocScrutinizer> or simply move it from /usr/bin to /bin
May 27 10:57:35 <Shapeshifter> Is there someway of telling where stuff will get installed to when doing an apt-get install? As in, I want to do apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins* but I want to see if everything will go to opt, first.
May 27 10:58:07 <SpeedEvil> should libraries be optified?
May 27 10:58:19 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: why not
May 27 10:58:34 <SpeedEvil> I noticed a couple of packages in extras-testing that pulled in perhaps 10 meg of libraries onto / as dependancies
May 27 10:58:37 <Shapeshifter> optified and symlinked
May 27 10:58:41 <frals> heh, i like going from 21170 function calls (20851 primitive calls) in 13.204 CPU seconds to 20391 function calls (20072 primitive calls) in 3.848 CPU seconds
May 27 10:58:57 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: the sheer fact you have to  ask saddens me... what a total catastrophe this optification is :-|
May 27 10:59:13 <tybollt> frals: ? what's that
May 27 10:59:24 <frals> improved code :-)
May 27 10:59:31 <noobmonk3y> SpeedEvil: Healthcheck pulls in 40mb now ;)
May 27 10:59:32 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: exactly. Though pymaemo-optify doesn't use symlinks, it uses bindmounts instead
May 27 10:59:36 <SpeedEvil> tybollt: I mean - is libraries it pulls in being non-optified a reason for QA fail?
May 27 11:00:09 <asj_> SpeedEvil: if there is an option to fix the library I would say yes
May 27 11:00:11 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell tybollt about optification
May 27 11:00:59 * corecode waits for update
May 27 11:01:23 <corecode> DocScrutinizer: how is the usb host mode going?
May 27 11:01:31 <achipa> SpeedEvil: depends on the lib. If they are your libs -> fail. Nokia's libs -> sigh and wave along
May 27 11:01:41 <SpeedEvil> corecode: slow progress.
May 27 11:01:43 <DocScrutinizer> sleeping for 2 days
May 27 11:02:08 <SpeedEvil> achipa: I mean from a random app I go to install from testing - to evaluate for extras
May 27 11:02:12 <tybollt> DocScrutinizer: what are you on about?
May 27 11:02:17 <tybollt> DocScrutinizer: I know that
May 27 11:02:23 <DocScrutinizer> we got 2 new hackers to the club, which will need some time to catch up
May 27 11:02:24 <tybollt> that doesn't change the fact :)
May 27 11:02:44 <DocScrutinizer> tybollt: just felt like... :-D sorry
May 27 11:02:56 <Shapeshifter> so. awesome. I did apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins* and after it unpacked most of the stuff it says "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-pplugins-ulgy_0.10.10.2-1maemo2_armel.deb E: Sub-process /usr7Bin/dpkg retuned an error code (1)". Oh why do people think that apt is awesome again? Can never hear enough of it. Just look at this highly descriptive error message... In any case, free ...
May 27 11:03:02 <Shapeshifter> ... space on rootfs dropped from 90 to 81mb. apt-get clean doesn't change that fact. But apt didn't even install anything.
May 27 11:03:31 <pvanhoof> When I click "Maemo5" in the application manager's update list, it tells me to use some software on my PC instead. What is this about?
May 27 11:03:32 <achipa> SpeedEvil: that's what I say. If the libs are from Nokia, it's not a fail. If they are community libs, it's a fail (unless there is a very good reason/precedent why the given lib is not optified)
May 27 11:03:37 <DocScrutinizer> and javispedro was a little busy the last few days
May 27 11:03:48 <Shapeshifter> pvanhoof: conflicting packages or not enough space on rootfs
May 27 11:04:06 <pvanhoof> Shapeshifter, can I figure out which packages conflict?
May 27 11:04:07 <achipa> SpeedEvil: for example most Qt libs are not optified, but it's not a QA fail to write Qt apps
May 27 11:04:19 <Shapeshifter> pvanhoof: http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#How_to_find_out_about_conflicting_packages.3F
May 27 11:04:29 <pvanhoof> rhanks
May 27 11:04:45 <Shapeshifter> and where the hell are the apt logs?
May 27 11:05:39 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 27 11:05:52 <SpeedEvil> achipa: yeah - it's just a hell of a pain to work out library ownership.
May 27 11:06:05 * asj_ grumbles, I wonder if I can get Nokai Messaging working again
May 27 11:06:32 <pvanhoof> Shapeshifter, apt-get upgrade doesn't give me conflicts
May 27 11:06:43 <pvanhoof> Shapeshifter, can I safely answer Y ?
May 27 11:06:48 <DocScrutinizer> NOO!
May 27 11:06:56 <pvanhoof> no worries, i didn't
May 27 11:07:04 <Shapeshifter> pvanhoof: meh there's lots of room for failure. Just backup, then use flasher.
May 27 11:07:15 <Shapeshifter> But seriously, how do I clean up this mess apt just made
May 27 11:07:20 <DocScrutinizer> please see /topic
May 27 11:07:23 <DocScrutinizer> RTFW
May 27 11:07:25 <Shapeshifter> I fucking HATE apt. it's so broken.
May 27 11:07:33 <zaheerm> pvanhoof, the biggest culprit seems to be libgles1-sgx-img
May 27 11:08:11 <visz> hmh
May 27 11:08:11 <pvanhoof> aha
May 27 11:08:13 <Shapeshifter> apt-get autoremove: "the following packages have unmet dependencies: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-dbg Depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly blablabla
May 27 11:08:17 <Shapeshifter> FAIL
May 27 11:08:31 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: install find-utils (I *HATE* BUSYBOX!), the remove all files and drawers newer than xy
May 27 11:08:36 <pvanhoof> zaheerm, aha brainparty
May 27 11:08:37 <pvanhoof> that used that
May 27 11:08:47 <pvanhoof> and tuxrace
May 27 11:08:54 <visz> evopedia on n900 serves only one wiki-page. needs to be restarted for another
May 27 11:08:54 <pvanhoof> ok, getting rid of those
May 27 11:08:55 <zaheerm> pvanhoof, yep i had those 2 installed also :)
May 27 11:09:34 <vanad1s> so, i gonna reflash my n900
May 27 11:09:47 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: I doubt that'll work. I'd probably delete a couple of temp files from some hildon stuff or whatever and apt would be confused as to why the files are gone but still in the db and so on
May 27 11:09:56 <vanad1s> how do i give it more space on rootfs?
May 27 11:10:10 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: maybe
May 27 11:10:10 <Shapeshifter> and where's the log file, anyway...
May 27 11:10:13 <Shapeshifter> can't find it.
May 27 11:10:25 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: but isn't apt already confused to hell
May 27 11:10:27 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 27 11:10:36 <Shapeshifter> nah. it just failed while "unpacking"
May 27 11:10:45 <Shapeshifter> and yeah it's confused. that's because it sucks
May 27 11:10:49 <Shapeshifter> but I guess that's normal
May 27 11:11:25 <Shapeshifter> Don't tell me apt doesn't have a log file on maemo5...
May 27 11:11:38 <pvanhoof> zaheerm, my new hero, that did it :)
May 27 11:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: sure, it's stored in /dev/null/apt/
May 27 11:11:58 <pvanhoof> now the app manager accepts the update
May 27 11:12:02 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: xD
May 27 11:12:10 <corecode> wow slow update
May 27 11:12:13 <Shapeshifter> nah this is a joke isn't it
May 27 11:12:15 <Shapeshifter> no log file?
May 27 11:12:16 <Shapeshifter> ....
May 27 11:12:26 <Shapeshifter> how is anyone supposed to know what's going on then
May 27 11:12:29 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, just kidding. No idea
May 27 11:12:51 <zaheerm> pvanhoof, enjoy the update :)
May 27 11:13:05 <pvanhoof> thanks for the support zaheerm
May 27 11:13:18 <pvanhoof> you should blog this :)
May 27 11:14:13 <zaheerm> pvanhoof, lol it is in some talk.maemo.org thread, should be enough i think...i have blogged enough this past week
May 27 11:14:31 <DocScrutinizer> pvanhoof: no, you should add it to http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting
May 27 11:14:41 <Shapeshifter> oh god how stupid is this. unbelievable that there is a single person standing up for this rubbish package management system
May 27 11:15:01 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, is it alright to pm you?
May 27 11:15:14 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: go ahead
May 27 11:15:50 <zaheerm> dockane, surely you want OTA-to_PR1.2_troubleshooting page created
May 27 11:15:53 <DocScrutinizer> but don't sell me a new washing machine :-P
May 27 11:16:29 <DocScrutinizer> zaheerm: I guess that's ETAB
May 27 11:16:36 <vanad1s> reflashing finished, works perfectly
May 27 11:16:41 <pvanhoof> docscrutinizer, will do
May 27 11:16:48 <alterego> When's this Ovi update occuring any one know?
May 27 11:17:03 <zaheerm> alterego, depends if you believe nokia conversations blog
May 27 11:17:17 <DocScrutinizer> zaheerm: sure a new page would be better, but then otoh I think the 1.1 version just needs little update and a change of the title
May 27 11:17:58 <alterego> zaheerm: don't see anything on the blog?
May 27 11:18:34 <hrw> sygic landed in ovi store
May 27 11:18:36 <pvanhoof> added
May 27 11:18:40 <alterego> I heard it was today ..
May 27 11:19:00 <pvanhoof> update is installing
May 27 11:19:04 <pvanhoof> nice :)
May 27 11:19:09 <pvanhoof> exciting!
May 27 11:19:16 <zaheerm> alterego, it said today.....but timeless says it isn't
May 27 11:19:36 <sivang> is PR1.2 out already? ;)
May 27 11:19:45 <alterego> zaheerm: ah, cool. Well, I'm not too bothered, would have been nice to try out some of those new games though.
May 27 11:20:09 <zaheerm> sivang, the topic says it all
May 27 11:20:11 <zaheerm> ;)
May 27 11:20:16 <sivang> I hoped to try some of the OVI app wizard apps on N900, but the site said it is uncompatible
May 27 11:20:19 <sivang> zaheerm: o :)
May 27 11:20:56 <ghostcube> hola
May 27 11:21:08 <ghostcube> i recognized the programms have an own backup list?
May 27 11:21:20 <ghostcube> cool  less work for damaged backup owners
May 27 11:21:22 <ghostcube> :D
May 27 11:22:00 <ghostcube> o the only thing i lost now with the sd formating by what ever it was are my settings
May 27 11:22:00 <sivang> how do I check my PR version again?
May 27 11:22:04 <ghostcube> hmmm this is ok so far
May 27 11:22:12 <ghostcube> menu systeminfo?
May 27 11:22:27 <corecode> boot progress bar?
May 27 11:22:30 <SpeedEvil> sivang: settings - about product
May 27 11:23:04 <sivang> SpeedEvil: 3.2010.02-8
May 27 11:23:20 * sivang wonders if he can cat /etc/lsb-release
May 27 11:23:22 <sivang> :)
May 27 11:23:26 <SpeedEvil> sivang: that's 1.2
May 27 11:23:36 <SpeedEvil> err
May 27 11:23:42 <SpeedEvil> i mean 1.1.1 I think
May 27 11:23:48 * SpeedEvil becomes confused.
May 27 11:23:51 <sivang> SpeedEvil: so we need a translation table somewhere
May 27 11:23:54 <sivang> hey timeless_mbp
May 27 11:24:04 <sivang> timeless_mbp: How do you know what PR you have on the device?
May 27 11:24:09 <SpeedEvil> yeah
May 27 11:24:12 <tybollt> yeah
May 27 11:24:19 <lardman|gone> 10.2010.19-1 is PR1.2
May 27 11:24:20 <SpeedEvil> 1.2 is 10.2010.19
May 27 11:24:22 <SpeedEvil> ...
May 27 11:24:35 <lardman|gone> or at least the legacy version I flashed
May 27 11:24:54 <corecode> \o/ updated
May 27 11:25:28 <sivang> so I have to the OTA flasher if so?
May 27 11:25:34 <sivang> and can go onw tih the instructions ?
May 27 11:25:37 <timeless_mbp> sivang: in "About" or "About Product" in Settings it'll tell you the version
May 27 11:25:58 <sivang> timeless_mbp: yes, it just says a what is for me (and an iphoner) a cryptic version number :)
May 27 11:26:07 <timeless_mbp> sivang: bugzilla has a table
May 27 11:26:12 <sivang> lardman|gone: so the pR will be out in october?
May 27 11:26:19 <timeless_mbp> i used to maintain a table in my blogs
May 27 11:26:24 <timeless_mbp> and there was a wiki page
May 27 11:26:33 <lardman|gone> sivang: ? It's out now
May 27 11:27:00 <sivang> lardman|gone: right, so even a "guess" at this cryptic version number yields nonsesne:)
May 27 11:27:17 <timeless_mbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Release_history
May 27 11:27:21 <sivang> is P1.2 makes the device at least a bit faster?
May 27 11:27:50 <SpeedEvil> sivang: Seemingly, in some aspects.
May 27 11:28:36 <sivang> SpeedEvil: nice to hear, and the a fix for something I reported should be there, so I wanna test :)
May 27 11:29:06 <sivang> timeless_mbp: thanks dude
May 27 11:29:44 <visz> meh
May 27 11:29:56 <visz> extended call log app doesn't seem to work with 1.2
May 27 11:30:00 <ghostcube> this programm reinstall tool is fine folks :)
May 27 11:30:05 <ghostcube> i have all back again
May 27 11:32:37 <timeless_mbp> visz: eh
May 27 11:32:41 <timeless_mbp> iirc it did stuff for me
May 27 11:32:47 <tybollt> argh
May 27 11:32:51 * tybollt hates at nookla
May 27 11:33:03 <jaska> mokia?:)
May 27 11:33:12 <timeless_mbp> visz: yeah, extended call log works fine here
May 27 11:33:29 <ivan4th> FYI: I've managed to upgrade repartitioned N900 with /usr on eMMC (it was done long ago on PR1.0 according to ruskie's instructions). the command was apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=10.2010.19-1 osso-wlan=3.0.17+0m5 Before rebooting, I've merged changes in /etc/init.d/rcS and kept /etc/event.d/rcS-late that was before upgrade
May 27 11:34:11 <ivan4th> changes in /etc/event.d/rcS-late in PR1.2 seem to be related to optification which I don't need
May 27 11:34:33 <Shapeshifter> ivan4th: aint that awfully slow at times?
May 27 11:35:00 <ivan4th> Shapeshifter: mostly during reboots, but I don't reboot often
May 27 11:37:25 <krakan_> 1337
May 27 11:37:37 <timeless_mbp> visz: what version of extended call log are you using?
May 27 11:37:39 <timeless_mbp> i have 0.4
May 27 11:38:44 <Stskeeps> mm, i need some kind of very simple wiki hosting place, ideally without signup, just some
May 27 11:38:47 <Stskeeps> for one page
May 27 11:38:51 <Stskeeps> any recommendations?
May 27 11:39:37 <alterego> wikipedia? :)
May 27 11:39:51 <alterego> Stskeeps: what's the nature of the pagE?
May 27 11:40:00 <Wolfie> Stskeeps: github?
May 27 11:40:05 <Stskeeps> alterego: semi-private temporary collaboration, text
May 27 11:40:14 <smoku> ivan4th: what is the advantage of this setup?
May 27 11:40:23 <smoku> Stskeeps: wikia.com ?
May 27 11:40:25 <alterego> Stskeeps: google docs?
May 27 11:40:46 <alterego> I'm not talking out of experience though, I personally don't use any google services.
May 27 11:41:07 <alterego> But I've heard people use things like docs and other services I think they even have a whiteboard of some sorts.
May 27 11:41:25 <Wolfie> i guess google wave should work well for collaboration
May 27 11:41:28 <tybollt> At least googlers provides OTA calendar
May 27 11:41:33 <tybollt> �)%&!�"#(%"#= nokia doesn't :-|
May 27 11:41:35 <tybollt> )%(!"#�%()?"?
May 27 11:41:59 <MohammadAG> yes
May 27 11:42:05 <Shapeshifter> mh. since PR1.2 something keeps resetting my xkbmap to something like en_US I'm guessing. I want "ch". I use the same minor modifications to rx-51 as with PR1.1.1 and I'm 100% sure that they're not the problem.
May 27 11:42:12 <tybollt> MohammadAG: yes!?
May 27 11:42:12 <Shapeshifter> anyone else experiencing this?
May 27 11:42:28 <MohammadAG> tybollt, &!&&#+�$, in short, yes
May 27 11:42:35 * tybollt dips MohammadAG  in chocolate and throws him to the lesbians...
May 27 11:42:36 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, haven't changed them
May 27 11:42:43 <tybollt> MohammadAG: ah sorry, yes
May 27 11:42:43 <MohammadAG> o.O
May 27 11:43:04 <MohammadAG> tybollt, sorry for what?
May 27 11:43:11 <tybollt> hehe :)
May 27 11:43:19 <MohammadAG> :P
May 27 11:43:26 <corecode> anybody found out what the "join chat room" thing does in conversations?
May 27 11:44:27 <timeless_mbp> corecode: it should work if you use skype
May 27 11:44:37 <corecode> no skype
May 27 11:44:37 <timeless_mbp> to let you join a skype group chat
May 27 11:44:39 <corecode> xmpp
May 27 11:44:52 <corecode> ohhm
May 27 11:45:02 <corecode> now it is twiddling
May 27 11:45:40 <tybollt> "join chat room" -> first step to being arrested by FBI on grouns of misconduct w/ children >:)
May 27 11:45:46 <MohammadAG> i'm really not sure who crippled the convos app
May 27 11:46:24 <MohammadAG> it scrolls up on its own and / commands don't work
May 27 11:46:58 <noobmonk3y> OooooooooooooOOooo one new app on ovi store - go Nokia :P lol
May 27 11:47:34 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: can you verify bug 6141 for me? :)
May 27 11:47:35 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6141 "Maemo Software" should be "Maemo Devices"
May 27 11:47:43 <tybollt> noobmonk3y: seriously? that's it? "new and improved ovi store" = one new app?
May 27 11:47:56 <noobmonk3y> tybollt: pretty sure they havnt actually done anything yet
May 27 11:47:58 <tybollt> bug 666
May 27 11:47:59 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function
May 27 11:48:02 <noobmonk3y> or if they even are lol
May 27 11:48:10 <noobmonk3y> bug 1
May 27 11:48:11 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it
May 27 11:48:14 <noobmonk3y> wohoooooooooo
May 27 11:48:18 <tybollt> bug 99999999999
May 27 11:48:18 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99999999999 was not found.
May 27 11:48:28 <noobmonk3y> the bug was not found or the device was not found?
May 27 11:48:43 <tybollt> =D
May 27 11:48:43 <Corsac> bug -1
May 27 11:48:51 <kehna> Guys I can't seem to back up my n900 or install new applications, Is there a way to back up stuff manually such as my contacts list?
May 27 11:49:09 <tybollt> *** povbot` connection reset by peer
May 27 11:49:10 <timeless_mbp> kehna: technically, yes
May 27 11:49:11 <tybollt> ;)
May 27 11:49:12 <noobmonk3y> kehna - how good are you at leaching sql db's?
May 27 11:49:12 <SpeedEvil> kehna: Do you have a SD card?
May 27 11:49:15 <tybollt> bug 1
May 27 11:49:16 <timeless_mbp> kehna: do you have a usb cable attached?
May 27 11:49:25 <kehna> I have the usb cable
May 27 11:49:29 <timeless_mbp> is it attached?
May 27 11:49:30 <tybollt> Corsac: I think you killed povbot =)
May 27 11:49:31 <kehna> yes
May 27 11:49:35 <Corsac> naah
May 27 11:49:41 <timeless_mbp> because it's hard to back up data when you have no volumes available
May 27 11:49:43 <tybollt> bug 3127
May 27 11:49:43 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3127 *.maemo.org goes to repository.maemo.org
May 27 11:49:48 <tybollt> argh :)
May 27 11:49:53 <plastun> hello! what is the best: making symbolic link to /opt/... using debina/rules or opstins script?
May 27 11:49:55 <timeless_mbp> and volumes typically are exported to your pc when you use the usb cable
May 27 11:50:02 <plastun> *debian
May 27 11:50:07 <Shapeshifter> mh. how do I initiate a skype video call? I only see "skype call" in the contact, and if I do that I can't enable the camera
May 27 11:50:12 <kehna> through pc suite?
May 27 11:50:15 <plastun> *postinst
May 27 11:50:27 <timeless_mbp> Shapeshifter: if you're in a skype call you can tap the title area to try to start video
May 27 11:50:32 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, the other party needs to have a vid cam
May 27 11:50:35 <Shapeshifter> ah
May 27 11:50:37 <timeless_mbp> but normally you'd want to find someone who advertises a video camera
May 27 11:50:41 <timeless_mbp> in which case you'd see a 3rd item
May 27 11:50:42 <Shapeshifter> I can't see "skype IM" either
May 27 11:50:48 <MohammadAG> (well for the option to show in there)
May 27 11:50:49 <timeless_mbp> note that you can't advertise camera when you aren't online
May 27 11:50:55 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, the person hates you
May 27 11:51:02 <Shapeshifter> she uses skype for linux
May 27 11:51:03 <timeless_mbp> i know, it's stupid, you can't leave video voicemail via skype
May 27 11:51:14 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, she hates you :P
May 27 11:51:16 <timeless_mbp> Shapeshifter: get her wine-skype or windows :)
May 27 11:51:18 <Shapeshifter> oh noes
May 27 11:52:21 <ivan4th>  smoku: I did it when I needed some SDK packages to be able to use gcc etc. on device itself. The main advantage is no problem with running out of rootfs space
May 27 11:53:19 <noobmonk3y> i think there is confusion on the ovi update - as May 27 last year Ovi store was updated, i bet you someone is regurgitating last years news without reading the date
May 27 11:53:20 <ruskie> hmm I guess I don't know how to use feeding it
May 27 11:55:30 <SpeedEvil> ivan4th: I cheated
May 27 11:55:40 <SpeedEvil> ivan4th: cp -ax / /home/user/data/chroot
May 27 11:56:45 <visz> timeless_mbp, ah, i have version 0.3
May 27 11:58:12 <timeless_mbp> visz: should you perhaps check for updates? :)
May 27 11:58:21 <timeless_mbp> or maybe i need to vote to promote it out
May 27 11:59:05 <visz> 0.3 is the version on maemo-extras
May 27 11:59:25 <MohammadAG> lcuk, how many MBs did build-essential use up?
May 27 12:05:26 <visz> timeless_mbp, 0.4 seems to be working
May 27 12:06:44 <timeless_mbp> visz: =)
May 27 12:07:03 <timeless_mbp> visz: so 0.4 isn't promoted?
May 27 12:07:06 <timeless_mbp> let's fix that! :)
May 27 12:07:14 <timeless_mbp> help, how do we promote something? :)
May 27 12:07:45 <visz> extras-devel also had working conversations inbox desktop widget
May 27 12:08:18 <timeless_mbp> ?
May 27 12:09:09 <visz> 1.1.1 vs. 1.0.4 in extras
May 27 12:09:33 <visz> latter one didn't run on PR 1.2
May 27 12:10:10 <noobmonk3y> hmmmmmmmm
May 27 12:10:17 <timeless_mbp> help, how does one get http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/extcalllog/0.4/ promoted?
May 27 12:10:31 <timeless_mbp> do we have to beg the maintainer?
May 27 12:10:31 <noobmonk3y> Angry birds description on ovi says - "Each of the 21 levels requires logic, skill, and brute force " - am i right in assume thats bollocks, and there is only 3 levels?
May 27 12:10:33 <MohammadAG> hmm
May 27 12:10:46 <MohammadAG> 21 levels
May 27 12:10:53 <tybollt> 3 levels
May 27 12:10:56 <tybollt> then YOU PAY
May 27 12:10:59 <MohammadAG> 21!
May 27 12:11:01 <MohammadAG> nope
May 27 12:11:03 <tybollt> ;)
May 27 12:11:07 <MohammadAG> 21 without paying here
May 27 12:11:12 <Wolfie> no, there's 21 levels, then you can (eventually, i hope) buy two level packs more
May 27 12:11:13 <noobmonk3y> 21?!
May 27 12:11:20 <MohammadAG> yeah
May 27 12:11:21 <noobmonk3y> omfg - i need to re-dload back later!
May 27 12:11:45 <Wolfie> well, it's just one level pack, but there's 2x21 levels in that
May 27 12:12:20 <MohammadAG> http://maemo.nokia.com/ovi-store-promo/ kinda stupid, they could've made them linked to an .install file to update
May 27 12:12:48 <SpeedEvil> And 63 levels is not enough!
May 27 12:13:13 <SpeedEvil> I was at the point of trying to beat my high-scores of ***'d levels.
May 27 12:13:18 <MohammadAG> there are 2 more packs afaik
May 27 12:13:25 <noobmonk3y> has bounce got better yet? hehe
May 27 12:13:40 <noobmonk3y> hmmm no update for me :|
May 27 12:13:41 <MohammadAG> yeah, it bounces a bit higher now
May 27 12:13:46 <noobmonk3y> unless they mean pr1.2?
May 27 12:13:57 <MohammadAG> nah, my user agent is borked
May 27 12:15:36 <pigeon> oh, new ovi store out already?
May 27 12:15:56 <nidO> no
May 27 12:16:16 <tybollt> they said day after 1.2 release
May 27 12:16:17 <tybollt> so.
May 27 12:16:26 <timeless_mbp> they lie :)
May 27 12:16:35 <Wolfie> i just wish someone would get off their asses and re-re-put the angry birds pack back online
May 27 12:17:07 <pigeon> i'm looking forward to that roller coaster game too
May 27 12:17:26 <MohammadAG> same
May 27 12:18:01 <MohammadAG> not sure if i'll actually play it, but the graphics chip is kinda wasted
May 27 12:18:01 <nidO> im still really happy with spb brain evolution that showed up on ovi a week or two ago
May 27 12:18:26 <MohammadAG> oh?
May 27 12:18:38 <tybollt> "I'm still happy there is now an (one!) app on ovi store"
May 27 12:18:40 <tybollt> yeah...
May 27 12:18:41 <tybollt> wow
May 27 12:24:38 <Netrum> Hi all :)
May 27 12:25:41 <noobmonk3y> wohoooooooooo
May 27 12:25:45 <noobmonk3y> I r Angry Birding lol
May 27 12:26:27 * MohammadAG does them andry bird sounds
May 27 12:27:58 <Netrum> i installed ubuntu to flash my phone. and i havent touched windows since. starting to like this more and more :)
May 27 12:33:32 <Netrum> is there a ovi suite type of program for linux?
May 27 12:33:46 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, ping?
May 27 12:34:04 <tybollt> MohammadAG: "andry bird sounds"?  android bird sounds???
May 27 12:34:33 <MohammadAG> angry :)
May 27 12:34:33 <Netrum> you guys bored or something ?
May 27 12:34:40 <MohammadAG> lol
May 27 12:34:45 <MohammadAG> nah
May 27 12:34:48 <tybollt> =)
May 27 12:34:53 <MohammadAG> just got home from an epic MW2 game
May 27 12:34:55 <MohammadAG> got a nuke
May 27 12:35:23 <Netrum> never played that game online :)
May 27 12:36:30 <MohammadAG> tbh i never played any cod game online, then someone invited me into a game and now i'm at lvl 70 :)
May 27 12:37:22 <Netrum> i havent played anything online since eve in may last year.
May 27 12:38:03 <Netrum> and recently the only game i've played is mahjong on the n900
May 27 12:38:10 <SpeedEvil> Hmm...
May 27 12:38:26 * SpeedEvil wonders why anything accessing /home/ is deadlocking.
May 27 12:38:45 <SpeedEvil> The processes show as 'D' in ps
May 27 12:39:16 <SpeedEvil> And nothing in dmesg
May 27 12:40:25 * jaska overclocks the 7700 running wiki.maemo.org
May 27 12:40:32 <jaska> s/7700/770/
May 27 12:44:11 <auenf> Netrum, why not play tetris, its in portrait mode ;)
May 27 12:44:23 <auenf> it is (was?) in portrait mode on n810 also
May 27 12:45:06 <adeus> yeah Mahjong
May 27 12:45:15 <adeus> I'm hooked playing it
May 27 12:45:28 <Scelt> is anyone else having problem with power management that opening up keyboard opens properly the screen but putting it back again doesn't lock the screen as it used?
May 27 12:46:58 <auenf> isnt that by design?
May 27 12:47:07 <timeless_mbp> Scelt: at least for my basic test, that works
May 27 12:47:28 <timeless_mbp> steps: 1. close keyboard. 2. use hardware slider to lock screen. 3. open keyboard. 4. close keyboard
May 27 12:47:33 <timeless_mbp> actual result: screen is off
May 27 12:47:40 <TheGerman> yay, boot loop :D
May 27 12:47:57 <auenf> but if you do something, it doesnt lock, which iirc is by design
May 27 12:48:08 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, that's the expected result
May 27 12:48:15 <Scelt> timeless_mbp: seems to work now :> don't know what happened. I tested it like dozen times
May 27 12:48:17 <MohammadAG> it prevents accidental slides
May 27 12:49:42 <auenf> if you (start closed): lock device, open slider, tap dashboard, close slider
May 27 12:49:51 <TheGerman> wow, it comes up, after upgrading without flashing, but it shows strange effects :D
May 27 12:50:05 <auenf> it doesnt turn the screen off, which afaik is by design
May 27 12:50:53 <KMFDM> anyone able to help me troubleshoot an issue with the NSU
May 27 12:51:16 <zogg_laptop> timeless_mbp, have you talked to him?
May 27 12:51:38 <timeless_mbp> ?
May 27 12:52:00 <Shapeshifter> mh. I can't un-capitalise letters at the beginning of a sentence anymore. shift+letter or shift, pause, letter don't make it lower case anymore since PR1.2
May 27 12:52:18 <Shapeshifter> I have to do something like Oo-left-backspace to get "o"
May 27 12:52:27 <Shapeshifter> Oo-left-backspace-right actually
May 27 12:52:56 <Scelt> Shapeshifter: reported bug
May 27 12:52:57 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, I use space, noticed that too
May 27 12:53:05 <Scelt> bug 10310
May 27 12:53:05 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift
May 27 12:53:10 <Shapeshifter> okay
May 27 12:53:20 <Shapeshifter> funny that they didn't notice this in 3 months of testing
May 27 12:53:44 <Scelt> yea :(
May 27 12:54:18 <MohammadAG> i noticed it with the sdk packages a month ago
May 27 12:54:25 <KMFDM> my nokia software updater refuses to finish downloading hte new firmware
May 27 12:54:26 <MohammadAG> but thought it might not be final :/
May 27 12:54:37 <KMFDM> even with another phone it tries to resume a download at 33.6megs and then fails
May 27 12:54:45 <KMFDM> if i knew where it temporarily saves firmware images
May 27 12:54:52 <KMFDM> i assume i could delete the failed download and get it to work
May 27 12:55:02 <KMFDM> but it doesn't save the temporary download in a standard location
May 27 12:55:06 <KMFDM> and it fails to resume it
May 27 12:55:09 <KMFDM> even with a different phone
May 27 12:55:15 <KMFDM> (also an n900)
May 27 12:55:23 <KMFDM> it attempts to resume the same failed download
May 27 12:55:27 <MohammadAG> which OS?
May 27 12:55:30 <KMFDM> windows
May 27 12:55:34 <KMFDM> nokia software updater
May 27 12:55:34 <KMFDM> xp
May 27 12:55:44 <KMFDM> sp3 32bit
May 27 12:55:45 <MohammadAG> it's in common data afaik
May 27 12:56:10 <KMFDM> common data?
May 27 12:56:13 <KMFDM> whee is that?
May 27 12:56:16 <pigeon> hmm, the new HAM has no sort?
May 27 12:56:31 <MohammadAG> not sure on xp
May 27 12:56:41 <KMFDM> this is the nokia software updater
May 27 12:56:41 <Disconnect> I learned the hard way not to trust the backup app. for some unknown reason the n900 saved a bunch of the photos (an entire bachelor/wedding trips worth of candids in fact) to the main storage. then didn't back them up (cuz, you know, who wants anything as useless as PICTURES?)
May 27 12:56:44 <KMFDM> there isn't one for linux
May 27 12:56:48 <MohammadAG> KMFDM, look up a how to hack a 5800
May 27 12:56:49 <Disconnect> just a warning for anyone else doing an upgrade..
May 27 12:57:02 <MohammadAG> it should tell you where the files are
May 27 12:57:10 <MohammadAG> or use flasher-3.5 on linux
May 27 12:57:56 <zogg_laptop> who tried meego on n900?
May 27 12:58:26 <MohammadAG> not interested enough
May 27 12:58:46 <zogg_laptop> i want to see screenies of twm
May 27 12:59:14 <MohammadAG> twm?
May 27 12:59:20 <MohammadAG> isn't it only an X server now?
May 27 13:00:14 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, nope as i understand
May 27 13:00:25 <KMFDM> MohammadAG, the image is not on the phone yet
May 27 13:00:27 <KMFDM> its on my computer
May 27 13:00:31 <zogg_laptop> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Tips_and_tricks/TWM_WM
May 27 13:00:47 <MohammadAG> ~flashing
May 27 13:00:48 <infobot> it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 27 13:01:07 <zogg_laptop> KMFDM, it should be on the computer ^ read what bot said
May 27 13:01:14 <zogg_laptop> ~pr1.2
May 27 13:01:15 <infobot> well, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update
May 27 13:01:31 <zogg_laptop> ~nokia
May 27 13:01:32 <infobot> nokia is, like, a cellphone company from Finland.
May 27 13:01:35 <KMFDM> ive read through all that 30 times
May 27 13:01:51 <KMFDM> it does not tell me where the nokia sofware updater saves its temporary firmware downloa
May 27 13:01:55 <KMFDM> which is where my issue is
May 27 13:02:09 <GAN900> KMFDM, why is that your issue?
May 27 13:02:12 <sx0n>  ~kumisaapas
May 27 13:02:21 <SpeedEvil> ~finland
May 27 13:02:22 <infobot> finland is probably some bloody scandinavian icicle, or nice place to live in :}
May 27 13:02:36 <sx0n> :)
May 27 13:02:38 <KMFDM> GAN900, the NSU attempts to resume a failed download at 33.6mb complete teach time
May 27 13:02:44 <KMFDM> then throws a failed download error
May 27 13:02:47 <KMFDM> and does this teach time
May 27 13:02:56 <KMFDM> b/c the server went down when it was attempting the first download
May 27 13:03:06 <zogg_laptop> KMFDM, you get img, you run flasher with command from wiki, you connect phone and do what it said on wiki, voullla
May 27 13:03:10 <tybollt> hmmm
May 27 13:03:18 <tybollt> maybe I should install meego tonight?
May 27 13:03:23 * noobmonk3y prods frals 
May 27 13:03:27 * noobmonk3y pokes MohammadAG 
May 27 13:03:29 <GAN900> KMFDM, then don't use NSU?
May 27 13:03:37 <GAN900> KMFDM, why not update on device?
May 27 13:03:42 <KMFDM> that fails
May 27 13:03:45 <KMFDM> i have too much crap installed
May 27 13:03:48 <GAN900> KMFDM, or use the flasher if that doesn't work.
May 27 13:03:50 <KMFDM> and can't tell what is optified and what isn't
May 27 13:03:53 <GAN900> NSU sucks
May 27 13:04:06 <zogg_laptop> kmfdm, just wait for pr1.3
May 27 13:04:07 <tybollt> Is there a way to turn off
May 27 13:04:08 <Scelt> http://research.nokia.com/news/549
May 27 13:04:11 <GAN900> ~flasher
May 27 13:04:12 <infobot> rumour has it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
May 27 13:04:18 <Scelt> sx0n: The text featured on a PowerPoint presentation at Motorola some years ago bluntly described how America's top cell phone maker lost global leadership in the 1990s: "So, what happened? A little known rubber-boot company from Finland kicked our butt."
May 27 13:04:28 <GAN900> Follow the instructions for the commandline flasher.
May 27 13:04:50 <GAN900> Scelt, now Nokia is a joke in the US.
May 27 13:05:14 <Scelt> GAN900: sure. thanks to apple and google. motorola should be dead already
May 27 13:05:34 <MohammadAG> what's motorolalala?
May 27 13:05:35 <MohammadAG> :P
May 27 13:05:59 <ghostcube> KMFDM: take out your sd card before you flash the device
May 27 13:06:12 <MohammadAG> why
May 27 13:06:28 <ghostcube> it can be killed liek mine and nokia says we dont care
May 27 13:06:32 <ghostcube> :)
May 27 13:06:39 <MohammadAG> cause it's not because of flasher
May 27 13:06:42 <MohammadAG> or flashing
May 27 13:06:45 <ghostcube> it is
May 27 13:06:47 <MohammadAG> don't blame it on flasher
May 27 13:06:52 <MohammadAG> got proof of that?
May 27 13:06:54 <ghostcube> i flashed and my sd card was clean like a baby popo
May 27 13:07:06 <ghostcube> yeah it worked before the flashing with ota update
May 27 13:07:20 <tybollt> MohammadAG: s/canada/flasher/?
May 27 13:07:26 <zogg_laptop> hahah
May 27 13:07:27 <MohammadAG> and how did you deduce it's because of the update?
May 27 13:07:38 <zogg_laptop> tybollt, dnot nice
May 27 13:07:39 <ghostcube> the same happened for 1.1.1
May 27 13:07:47 <MohammadAG> hardware defect then
May 27 13:07:48 <ghostcube> but there i could change the card at amazon
May 27 13:07:55 <ghostcube> nope new card guy
May 27 13:08:02 <zogg_laptop> ghostcube, yu should call ghostbusters
May 27 13:08:03 <MohammadAG> N900 hw defect...
May 27 13:08:08 <tybollt> zogg_laptop: You from .ca? :)
May 27 13:08:13 <ghostcube> nope n900 works fine
May 27 13:08:22 <zogg_laptop> tybollt, thank's g-d no
May 27 13:08:27 <MohammadAG> ghostcube, no one had your problem
May 27 13:08:36 <tybollt> 
May 27 13:08:37 <tybollt> '
May 27 13:08:40 <KMFDM> ha i found the failed download by searching for rx51
May 27 13:08:42 <ghostcube> thtas incorrect
May 27 13:08:49 <KMFDM> it was in G:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Nokia\Nokia Service Layer\A\nsl_service_module_00001\vpls\www.dsut.online.nokia.com.oti.caresuite\Products\rx-51
May 27 13:08:56 <zogg_laptop> tybollt, same place as MohammadAG, different country =))
May 27 13:09:03 <KMFDM> deleting the failed download did indeed fix the issue
May 27 13:09:07 <KMFDM> my phone is upgrading
May 27 13:09:10 <ghostcube> DocScrutinizer: ping
May 27 13:09:19 <MohammadAG> NSU is kinda... stupidj
May 27 13:09:19 <zogg_laptop> KMFDM, format c: and than get ubuntu live cd
May 27 13:09:32 <MohammadAG> umm
May 27 13:09:32 <wazd> hello people :)
May 27 13:09:39 <wazd> Stskeeps: around? :)
May 27 13:09:41 <ghostcube> MohammadAG: btw there is an announce on the flöasher page for this what happened to me
May 27 13:09:45 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, how would he burn the disc w/o windows?
May 27 13:09:45 <zogg_laptop> wazd 'uuuuup?
May 27 13:09:49 <ghostcube> take out sd card !
May 27 13:09:55 <wazd> zogg: o/
May 27 13:09:58 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, with laser eyes
May 27 13:10:26 <zogg_laptop> wazd, so let's make habrapp for maemo =)
May 27 13:10:27 <MohammadAG> ghostcube, i've never had problems with my SD card in while updating
May 27 13:10:30 <MohammadAG> or flashing
May 27 13:10:39 <ghostcube> iam not the only one.. so something must be a problem
May 27 13:10:41 <zogg_laptop> i don't have sd card
May 27 13:10:42 <MohammadAG> and I've flashed more than 35 times now
May 27 13:10:46 <KMFDM> zogg_laptop, i also run ubuntu on this computer, but NSU is easier
May 27 13:11:02 <zogg_laptop> KMFDM, flash took 3 mins
May 27 13:11:05 <zogg_laptop> evn less
May 27 13:11:07 <wazd> zogg: I thought they have pretty pathetic API
May 27 13:11:13 <zogg_laptop> no windows anywhere
May 27 13:11:17 <wazd> zogg: no commenting and stuff
May 27 13:11:51 <zogg_laptop> wazd, highlight here, desktop in other room would be pissed off if it knows i'm using laptop
May 27 13:12:22 <zogg_laptop> wazd, it was joke, just can't stand it anymore, al these droid news all over it, damn habrahabr
May 27 13:12:47 <zogg_laptop> wazd r u from ua or ru?
May 27 13:13:40 <wazd> zogg_laptop: moscow :)
May 27 13:13:41 * pupnik hopes he never has to reboot
May 27 13:14:58 <zogg_laptop> http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/
May 27 13:15:09 <zogg_laptop> 2d ui for n900?
May 27 13:15:16 <zogg_laptop> or maybe not =)
May 27 13:17:14 <hrw> zogg_laptop: it is more for 1024x600+ resolutions
May 27 13:21:27 <MohammadAG> hrw, nope, should work on the N900
May 27 13:22:05 <thresh> doh metromap is painfully slow
May 27 13:23:12 <hrw> MohammadAG: I know that it can work. I saw it on 800x480 screen already
May 27 13:27:41 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: Hi
May 27 13:27:56 <ftrvxmtrx> fiferboy, hi
May 27 13:28:06 <fiferboy> Did I fix all the tabs in my patch?
May 27 13:28:34 <ftrvxmtrx> no, but I fixed them in git rebase -i :)
May 27 13:29:49 <fiferboy> Oops.  I really should have changed that in VIM before starting on the code
May 27 13:30:01 <ftrvxmtrx> btw, help message box doesn't rotate even if created with parent set
May 27 13:30:21 <ftrvxmtrx> I think it's because the string is too long
May 27 13:30:48 <fiferboy> Hmm, it worked for me.  Both with the win message and lose message
May 27 13:30:52 <fiferboy> In English, that is.
May 27 13:31:11 <tybollt> oh that is just lovely
May 27 13:31:19 <tybollt> you can "merge" contacts on your mobile
May 27 13:31:20 <ftrvxmtrx> yes, this box work fine, but another one, which shows help message, doesn't
May 27 13:31:25 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: You could change it to a QMaemo5InformationBox and see if that works in portrait and landscape
May 27 13:31:27 <tybollt> but yOU CAN'T FUCKING UNMERGE THEM
May 27 13:31:29 <tybollt> %!)#%"(=%="#�)
May 27 13:31:38 <fiferboy> Ah, the help message one.  I didn't look at that.
May 27 13:32:17 <ftrvxmtrx> fiferboy, yep, QMaemo5InformationBox rotates as it should, but it doesn't show whole string, only part of it
May 27 13:32:28 <ftrvxmtrx> I will investigate it later
May 27 13:35:32 <MohammadAG> tybollt, watch your fscking language
May 27 13:35:44 <MohammadAG> we have kids in here *points at noobmonk3y*
May 27 13:38:03 <tybollt> MohammadAG: :-( I am crying now
May 27 13:38:10 <tybollt> MohammadAG: kplzthks?!
May 27 13:38:16 <zogg_laptop> tybollt, that makes me feel good
May 27 13:38:20 <tybollt> :)
May 27 13:38:28 <MohammadAG> tybollt, lies
May 27 13:38:36 <zogg_laptop> at least someone feels terrible as me
May 27 13:38:44 <tybollt> zogg_laptop: what's up?
May 27 13:38:49 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, stfu, you don't understand the meaning of life
May 27 13:39:01 <zogg_laptop> tybollt, terrible, everything is terrible
May 27 13:39:03 * tybollt tried leveling w/ mohammad - or else he'd throw frals at me... :P
May 27 13:39:13 <MohammadAG> there is no life, we're all in one huge matrix
May 27 13:39:17 <tybollt> zogg_laptop: why what happened?
May 27 13:39:33 * MohammadAG nontheless throws frals at tybollt 
May 27 13:40:03 <MohammadAG> in all seriousness, zogg_laptop what's wrong?
May 27 13:40:04 <zogg_laptop> tybollt, exams, army, some shit i need to do, driver test failure, work, don't have time to finish something(so wouldn't get 1k$)
May 27 13:40:07 <zogg_laptop> terrible
May 27 13:40:12 <MohammadAG> exams?
May 27 13:40:26 <tybollt> zogg_laptop: :-/ Army? Where you at?
May 27 13:40:37 <MohammadAG> driver test failure, I'm not surprised, a friend got it @ 6th try
May 27 13:40:44 <MohammadAG> IL sucks :)
May 27 13:40:53 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, i have reserve army at the time of the exams of colledge
May 27 13:40:59 <tybollt> ah IL
May 27 13:41:00 <tybollt> yeah
May 27 13:41:10 <tybollt> general draft in IL is pretty menacing
May 27 13:41:33 <tybollt> from what I heard you can't easily get out of the draft in .il by faking madness or faking gayness or such?
May 27 13:41:37 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, aren't you 27-ish?
May 27 13:41:38 <zogg_laptop> MohamemadAG, it was fine first 3 times (they just need one not to pass) b, but this time it was really my mistake
May 27 13:41:54 <zogg_laptop> oh and i need to find new appartment and don't have time and money to move there
May 27 13:42:07 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, 24 this month
May 27 13:42:14 <MohammadAG> oh that life, nope i'm still 16 :/
May 27 13:42:31 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, stay like that
May 27 13:42:33 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, doesn't the army crap finish @ 20?
May 27 13:42:42 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, are you going t army? i suppose ....
May 27 13:42:45 <MohammadAG> well, forced army, or w/e it's called
May 27 13:42:52 <MohammadAG> not that i know of
May 27 13:43:02 <MohammadAG> don't have an IL passport
May 27 13:43:12 <zogg_laptop> meh
May 27 13:43:18 <MohammadAG> so I'll stay as an amateur terrorist for the time
May 27 13:43:24 <zogg_laptop> the situation between our nation sucks
May 27 13:43:33 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: Patch sent :)
May 27 13:43:35 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, haha =)
May 27 13:43:48 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, get a match and throw it at the local nuke armory
May 27 13:43:55 <tybollt> 7nick mossad
May 27 13:44:01 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, i would joke, but probably mossad are watching us, and they wouldn't understand =)
May 27 13:44:19 <MohammadAG> there are logs, and they're public
May 27 13:44:31 <MohammadAG> (hi mossad) :)
May 27 13:44:34 <MohammadAG> anyways
May 27 13:45:02 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, scratch that idea, i wouldn't see PR1.3
May 27 13:45:08 <zogg_laptop> mossad@idf.gov.il ~ cat maemo.log |grep terrorist |grep Mohammad
May 27 13:45:18 <pupnik> i wonder what the problem with fbcon and pr1.2 is
May 27 13:45:43 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, i'll bring it to you to the prison ... in my arse
May 27 13:45:46 <ghostcube> grml pokerth is devel grml
May 27 13:45:50 <ghostcube> :)
May 27 13:46:00 <pupnik> pokerth is what
May 27 13:46:03 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, there wouldn't be a prison if you match the armory
May 27 13:46:07 <zogg_laptop> like that watch from pulp fiction
May 27 13:46:09 <ghostcube> in extras devel
May 27 13:46:10 <MohammadAG> pupnik, what problem?
May 27 13:46:11 <ghostcube> :)
May 27 13:46:24 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, anyway u don't miss anything
May 27 13:46:28 <MohammadAG> pupnik, fbcon works here - with about 3 reboots
May 27 13:46:38 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, so it's not like cod eh?
May 27 13:46:47 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, but do you have green or whatever colour ID?
May 27 13:46:57 <MohammadAG> nope, blue
May 27 13:47:03 <MohammadAG> but i don't have the passport
May 27 13:47:08 <pupnik> whose kernel MohammadAG
May 27 13:47:17 <MohammadAG> pupnik, my own kernel
May 27 13:47:34 <MohammadAG> pupnik, it crashes a couple of times, but then it boots
May 27 13:47:39 <ghostcube> is pokerth not ready for normal extras-testing?
May 27 13:47:40 <pupnik> k, did you have to patch fbcon module?
May 27 13:47:43 <MohammadAG> and that's been happening since 1.1
May 27 13:47:46 <ghostcube> i never had any problem with it :)
May 27 13:48:00 <MohammadAG> pupnik, I just enabled it in the .config file
May 27 13:48:07 <MohammadAG> i don't do modules - yet
May 27 13:48:14 <pupnik> okay ty
May 27 13:48:35 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, you don't need passport - if you have blue you are citizen
May 27 13:48:59 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, so... should i say "oh crap" anytime soon?
May 27 13:49:15 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, afaik you don't force arabs to join the army
May 27 13:49:26 <zogg_laptop> i'm not sure if u have to serve anyway
May 27 13:49:47 <MohammadAG> no idea, but i highly doubt it
May 27 13:49:48 <ftrvxmtrx> fiferboy, tapping 'Help' button while in portrait mode makes whole screen rotate to landscape and then it shows the message box :(
May 27 13:50:04 <MohammadAG> ftrvxmtrx, where?
May 27 13:50:11 <ftrvxmtrx> fiferboy, and doesn't rotate back to portrait when closed
May 27 13:50:13 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: Really?  It works for me with the new patch
May 27 13:50:31 <ftrvxmtrx> wow, that's strange
May 27 13:50:35 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, i know you don't like each other but i served with some druzim in army
May 27 13:50:36 <fiferboy> It shows the help message in portrait when in portrait with proper line wrapping
May 27 13:51:16 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, tbh I'm not that into politics and all, I don't mind israelis in here, as long as it's stable
May 27 13:51:27 <MohammadAG> by the looks of it, it is right now
May 27 13:51:54 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, it wouldn't be stable. the tops want money and power. and we � common people suffer
May 27 13:52:02 <zogg_laptop> ☹
May 27 13:52:24 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, right now it is (:
May 27 13:52:26 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: If I show the help message while in landscape and then rotate to portrait, the message box and application rotate too
May 27 13:52:36 <fiferboy> And vice versa
May 27 13:53:00 <ftrvxmtrx> fiferboy, and if you show it while in portrait?
May 27 13:53:21 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: It shows fine portrait and will rotate to landscape if I turn the device
May 27 13:53:22 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, if i was you i would go to Saudi and marry some rich guy's daughter, even 20 =)
May 27 13:53:50 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, interesting idea :P
May 27 13:54:01 <zogg_laptop> ftrvxmtrx, fiferboy , what are you talking about?
May 27 13:54:27 <fiferboy> zogg_laptop: colorflood
May 27 13:54:36 <zogg_laptop> say what
May 27 13:54:59 <FIQ> can i customize the toolbar in the browser?
May 27 13:55:01 <ftrvxmtrx> fiferboy, ok, I'll apply the patch
May 27 13:55:07 <supertramp> maemo 1.2 update complete ruined my n900 :)
May 27 13:55:13 <supertramp> perfect job
May 27 13:55:15 <FIQ> or in other place?
May 27 13:55:16 <ruskie> hmm recaller stopped working with pr1.2
May 27 13:55:21 <FIQ> not mine. :)
May 27 13:55:24 <zogg_laptop> americans are so... americans, i have colour marked as mistake while color is alright. damn you x-chat
May 27 13:55:24 <FIQ> anyway
May 27 13:55:28 <FIQ> would be useful
May 27 13:55:43 * MohammadAG wonders if PR1.2 broke more apps than it fixed :)
May 27 13:55:53 <FauxFaux> Stop it stop it stop it.
May 27 13:55:58 * FauxFaux is simply too lazy to update. :p
May 27 13:55:58 <zogg_laptop> ruskie, it started for me, at least it sends some notify while calling
May 27 13:56:09 <ruskie> zogg_laptop, hmm didn't happen for me
May 27 13:56:21 <zogg_laptop> ftrvxmtrx, what patch are you talking about?
May 27 13:56:36 <zogg_laptop> ruskie, i didn;t even known of this app before
May 27 13:57:12 <ftrvxmtrx> zogg_laptop, the patch fiferboy sent me to fix help message box rotation issue
May 27 13:58:00 <zogg_laptop> what box. i didn't get where is this help msg?
May 27 13:58:33 <ftrvxmtrx> here http://maemo.org/packages/view/colorflood
May 27 13:58:39 <zogg_laptop> andrei_, privet andrei, kak dela? =))
May 27 13:58:46 <the_lord> Hi! does anybody here knows if it's true that skype has video call in pr 1.2
May 27 13:58:50 <the_lord> ?
May 27 13:58:59 <thresh> говорите по-русски уже, транслит не нужен
May 27 13:59:01 <SWFu64> Yes it does
May 27 13:59:03 <ftrvxmtrx> yep, it's true
May 27 13:59:09 <SWFu64> I've not tried it out yet though
May 27 13:59:20 <MohammadAG> oh, new SDK update
May 27 14:00:01 <ftrvxmtrx> транслит makes our eyes bleed
May 27 14:00:13 <GAN900> Yo, fiferboy.
May 27 14:00:20 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: I'm fiferboy on github now if that helps anything
May 27 14:00:23 <fiferboy> Hi GAN900
May 27 14:00:23 <the_lord> thresh, I tried calling and it didn't show me anything of video
May 27 14:00:33 <thresh> the_lord: cant help ya. never tried.
May 27 14:01:16 <fiferboy> GAN900: Are the Rays going to run away with the East?
May 27 14:01:51 <GAN900> fiferboy, probably
May 27 14:01:59 <GAN900> fiferboy, although the offense is in a slump
May 27 14:03:24 <GAN900> and the Red Sox have the umps in their pocket
May 27 14:03:36 <GAN900> I can't believe how fast they ejected Crawford.
May 27 14:04:52 <fiferboy> Yanks and Red Sox always get the benefit of the calls
May 27 14:07:37 <supertramp> why I lost all my sms / contacts and calendar after the update? :)
May 27 14:08:30 <Appiah> you did? good thing you made a backup first!
May 27 14:09:21 <supertramp> well ... no
May 27 14:09:44 <the_lord> thresh, yes, it works
May 27 14:09:46 <Appiah> O_O
May 27 14:10:04 <supertramp> ok - let's see the calendardb :)
May 27 14:10:12 <supertramp> all data are in it
May 27 14:10:27 <ftrvxmtrx> fiferboy, I've added you as a collaborator
May 27 14:10:42 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: Thanks!
May 27 14:10:50 <ftrvxmtrx> n/p :)
May 27 14:11:19 <supertramp> ah
May 27 14:11:24 <supertramp> ok - I see the problem now
May 27 14:12:40 <supertramp> permissions :)
May 27 14:12:54 <GAN900> fiferboy, I was at the game and it was clearly outside.
May 27 14:13:03 <GAN900> fiferboy, Fox Trax said about 6 inches
May 27 14:13:11 <fiferboy> GAN900: Did you let them have whatfor?
May 27 14:13:20 <GAN900> fiferboy, and that was only one call of at least a dozen.
May 27 14:13:39 <GAN900> fiferboy, Madden got out there and gave him hell
May 27 14:13:58 <GAN900> Half the stadium booed nearly every strike call after that.
May 27 14:14:14 <GAN900> Other half were Red Sox fans of course. :rolleyes:
May 27 14:14:16 <fiferboy> GAN900: What's attendance like these days?
May 27 14:14:24 <rm_you> hrm....
May 27 14:14:40 <GAN900> fiferboy, better than usual
May 27 14:14:51 <GAN900> Averaging around 20k, I think.
May 27 14:15:02 <rm_you> so my device started reboot-looping at the loading dots right after the nokia hands like a week ago....
May 27 14:15:07 <GAN900> But the Northerners still insist we don't deserve a team.
May 27 14:15:16 <GAN900> rm_you, and you haven't flashed it?
May 27 14:15:17 <rm_you> i figured i'd wait and just reflash when PR1.2 came out
May 27 14:15:25 <rm_you> so i did, and it has
May 27 14:15:45 <rm_you> but it's not entering flash mode, it just flashes the usb icon and continues to the dots and the reboot loop T_T
May 27 14:16:06 <rm_you> supposed to just hold down the "u" key, right?
May 27 14:18:00 <GAN900> Yes
May 27 14:18:05 <oscillik> frals: you should be a Nokia employee for making MMS work on my N900
May 27 14:18:13 <frals> heh
May 27 14:18:18 <oscillik> thank you
May 27 14:18:23 <plastun> after installation my app it not appears in menu. What the matter?
May 27 14:18:25 <frals> thank you ;)
May 27 14:19:32 <MohammadAG> .desktop files aren't autocreated
May 27 14:19:40 <GAN900> oscillik, don't say that.
May 27 14:20:11 <GAN900> They he'd have specs to follow, it would only be released for Harmattan and we'd never hear from him again. ;)
May 27 14:20:12 <Corsac> GAN900: any intent to integrate fmms in contacts? (not sure if it's possible though)
May 27 14:20:13 <MohammadAG> GAN900, why? I wouldn't mind a trout in future Nokia phone boxes
May 27 14:20:33 <GAN900> Corsac, apparently the plugin interface sucks.
May 27 14:20:34 <frals> MohammadAG: be careful what you wish for :D
May 27 14:20:38 * oscillik is confused
May 27 14:21:00 <rm_you> I'm holding down the "u" key as hard as I can, no luck. <_<
May 27 14:21:02 <GAN900> s/They/Then
May 27 14:21:13 <MohammadAG> hehehe
May 27 14:21:35 <GAN900> rm_you, unplug USB, pop battery, replace battery, hold u, plug in USB.
May 27 14:21:43 <mortal> which maemo phones are out there?
May 27 14:22:03 <rm_you> done it about 10 times, doing it again for funsies
May 27 14:22:06 <GAN900> N900
May 27 14:22:11 <GAN900> rm_you, odd.
May 27 14:22:21 <MohammadAG> rm_you, or unplug USB, remove the battery, connect the USB, execute the command and connect the battery
May 27 14:22:31 <MohammadAG> some OSs like to be bi***y
May 27 14:22:31 <GAN900> rm_you, sure there's nothing wrong with your cable, your keyboard or your fingers?
May 27 14:22:33 <lcuk> rm_you, remove battery, connect usb cable, start flasher, when it says "no device detected", put battery in
May 27 14:22:48 <lcuk> no key presses and works :)
May 27 14:22:51 <MohammadAG> or bacon in my N950 package :P
May 27 14:23:01 <TheRealHotshot> lol
May 27 14:24:48 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: Latest git works perfectly for me
May 27 14:26:17 <rm_you> nope, does the same thing
May 27 14:26:47 <MohammadAG> andre___, what's with the keywords? :)
May 27 14:26:59 <andre___> MohammadAG, hmm?
May 27 14:27:16 <andre___> MohammadAG, "moreinfo": workaround waiting for new Bugzilla version that introduces "NEEDINFO" state
May 27 14:27:19 <MohammadAG> andre___, "moreinfo"
May 27 14:27:27 <MohammadAG> oh
May 27 14:27:31 <rm_you> computer says "detected usb device" in the taskbar, flickers a bit (the n900 has the usb icon in the corner for right around 1 second) then the beeping that means "usb device connected" followed by "usb device disconnected" happens a little bit, and the device continues to try to boot, but reboots during the dots
May 27 14:27:35 <andre___> MohammadAG, only used "against" the reporter
May 27 14:28:06 <rm_you> is there a way besides holding "u" to force a flash? because it doesn't seem to be forcing anything
May 27 14:28:16 <rm_you> or to force-reset / wipe the device?
May 27 14:28:37 <rm_you> do I need to have a SIM or a microSD in the n900?
May 27 14:28:45 <MohammadAG> andre___, oh, I see
May 27 14:28:53 <MohammadAG> nope
May 27 14:28:56 <lcuk> rm_you, try alternative usb port/computer potentially something is screwing your usb stack
May 27 14:29:05 <rm_you> tried two computers so far
May 27 14:29:06 <lcuk> either that or your battery may be rlyrlyrly flat
May 27 14:29:13 <rm_you> tried two batteries
May 27 14:29:23 <MohammadAG> try a proper OS :)
May 27 14:29:25 <rm_you> will attempt to charge them both again in n810 and then try again
May 27 14:30:14 <MohammadAG> rm_you, try using a linux live cd
May 27 14:30:33 <MohammadAG> DSL aka Damn Small Linux is... damn small :)
May 27 14:30:39 <ftrvxmtrx> fiferboy, great, maybe I should promote it then
May 27 14:32:07 <fiferboy> ftrvxmtrx: I'd go for it
May 27 14:32:46 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, haha loser you have n950, i have n950i
May 27 14:34:41 <MohammadAG> Nokia-NXX:~# uname
May 27 14:34:41 <MohammadAG> Mac OS X
May 27 14:34:46 <rm_you> aha, so i left it doing that little loop on my laptop on the other side of the room just now while i scoured forums for answers
May 27 14:34:51 <MohammadAG> who's the loser now :)
May 27 14:35:02 <rm_you> the beeping stopped so i went to look.... it started taking the flash after about the 40th reboot
May 27 14:35:10 <MohammadAG> lol
May 27 14:35:11 <rm_you> watched it finish flashing...
May 27 14:35:25 <rm_you> now i try to turn it on and it turns off after the dots
May 27 14:35:36 <rm_you> so, basically the same as before >_<
May 27 14:35:37 <GAN900> rm_you, low batt?
May 27 14:35:48 <rm_you> attempting to charge the battery again in the n810
May 27 14:36:03 <rm_you> as when i plug the n900 into power, it attemps to turn on, then reboot-loops
May 27 14:36:11 <rm_you> instead of charging
May 27 14:37:34 <zogg_laptop> Nokia-N950:~ uname
May 27 14:37:37 <zogg_laptop> Plan9
May 27 14:37:43 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, you are
May 27 14:37:56 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, fake!!!!11!
May 27 14:37:58 <zogg_laptop> rm_you, give it a time
May 27 14:38:27 <zogg_laptop> rm_you, sometimes the screen goes off for me while turning on instead of dots
May 27 14:38:38 <zogg_laptop> and after flash turning on takes a while
May 27 14:39:07 <rm_you> this is what happens when i plug it into power when it is off.
May 27 14:40:36 <rm_you> one second delay. NOKIA in blue letters on white. the loading dots for about two to three seconds, they are moving as normal. screen dims. still see dots, but they are frozen, lasts for two to three seconds. screen goes entire dark. goto beginning and repeat.
May 27 14:40:51 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, my cosmorabbit sends you huge
May 27 14:41:08 <rm_you> sorry no, dots are still moving while screen is dim, continue moving until reboot
May 27 14:43:07 <mortal> does the n900 have many known hardware bugs or severe software limitations? how usable is it currently?
May 27 14:43:31 <SpeedEvil> mortal: It is rather slow.
May 27 14:43:41 <SpeedEvil> mortal: It takes around 3 hours to compile a kernel.
May 27 14:43:44 <zogg_laptop> mortal, don't buy it
May 27 14:43:52 <SpeedEvil> Though the UI is surprisingly responsive during this.
May 27 14:43:59 <mortal> eh, 3 hours
May 27 14:44:01 <mortal> that is fast
May 27 14:44:11 <zogg_laptop> and it makes coffee
May 27 14:44:20 <mortal> I am using n810 + e90 combo atm
May 27 14:44:33 <mortal> the only thing I lack is the 900 MHz 3g
May 27 14:44:36 <zogg_laptop> wait for meego device
May 27 14:44:45 <SpeedEvil> mortal: The biggest hardware issue I have is that teh cheap bastards only included one stylus.
May 27 14:44:49 <zogg_laptop> 900mhz is overclocking
May 27 14:45:21 <SpeedEvil> err - no
May 27 14:45:25 <jaska> lol
May 27 14:45:28 <SpeedEvil> 900MHz is also a cellular band
May 27 14:45:39 <jaska> 2100MHz 3g must be real bad overclocking then
May 27 14:45:54 <ghostcube> hmmm, i just noticed the kayboard has no & sign i mean the hw keyboard
May 27 14:45:55 <ghostcube> lol
May 27 14:45:55 <Shapeshifter> biggest hardware issue is emmc IO
May 27 14:45:58 <zogg_laptop> 900mhz is aso frequency
May 27 14:46:06 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100527-173806.png
May 27 14:46:09 <SpeedEvil> ghostcube: Mine does - blue-k
May 27 14:46:19 <ghostcube> hmm, am i so blind today
May 27 14:46:20 <timeless_mbp> Trizt, et al: help
May 27 14:46:27 <zogg_laptop> ghostcube, you can change other leeter for it
May 27 14:46:45 <zogg_laptop> letter*
May 27 14:46:57 <zogg_laptop> mine have it
May 27 14:47:06 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, there any way to make that clickable with strings?
May 27 14:47:07 <zogg_laptop> what i miss is | and �
May 27 14:47:15 <jaska> i replaced euro and sterling with | and & etc, then added <> {} () ` % as shift-fn combos
May 27 14:47:16 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: not afaict
May 27 14:47:18 <Zucca> Is there a way to start terminal (in Maemo 5) in ISO locale?
May 27 14:47:24 <SpeedEvil> ? is shift-:
May 27 14:47:25 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: where is that a cellular band?
May 27 14:47:30 <ghostcube> hmm i only have the & in terminal with fn and sym key :)
May 27 14:47:39 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: here - though it's not 3G
May 27 14:47:41 <SpeedEvil> AFAIK
May 27 14:47:45 <jaska> oops, not () but []
May 27 14:47:51 <ghostcube> yeah the pipe is a missing one too
May 27 14:47:51 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: the word wrapping of the url was also helpful
May 27 14:47:54 <zogg_laptop> ат фты ынь лун вщтэе цщкл ащк ьу
May 27 14:47:59 <timeless_mbp> fwiw the missing space after the period near the bottom is my fault
May 27 14:48:01 <timeless_mbp> i'll fix that
May 27 14:48:05 <zogg_laptop> ooopsy
May 27 14:48:07 <timeless_mbp> could i get a shorter url?
May 27 14:48:14 <timeless_mbp> note that afaict, i can't even make the url selectable
May 27 14:48:15 <zogg_laptop> fn+sym doesn't work for me at all
May 27 14:48:22 <timeless_mbp> which means people will have to hand retype it ! :(
May 27 14:48:38 <ghostcube> is there any way to get back the old software keyboard
May 27 14:48:40 <ghostcube> o.O
May 27 14:48:47 <SpeedEvil> zogg: It's stupid
May 27 14:48:49 <timeless_mbp> i claim it's still better than what is normally presented
May 27 14:48:50 <MohammadAG> Might check on that soon
May 27 14:48:58 <MohammadAG> i want the old menu back
May 27 14:49:07 <timeless_mbp> i might be able to buy some space by changing 'Open backup' to 'Backup'
May 27 14:49:07 <jaska> also longpress is kinda wacky when you do press shift and then longpress a key :) atleast in terminal
May 27 14:49:13 <dotblank> hmm video call over javver says there is mismatched video codecs..
May 27 14:49:16 <ghostcube> i want the old keyboard back btw the old menu was cool too
May 27 14:49:21 <timeless_mbp> but that's kinda stupid :(
May 27 14:49:22 <dotblank> what codec does the n900 use for video call?
May 27 14:49:28 <dotblank> jabber*
May 27 14:49:29 <ghostcube> full ack MohammadAG
May 27 14:49:45 <SpeedEvil> zogg: You need to press and hold blue, press function, release function, release blue
May 27 14:49:56 <SpeedEvil> zogg: any other combination doesn't work
May 27 14:50:11 <ghostcube> yeah i have my pokerth back (yeah)
May 27 14:50:20 <ghostcube> :)
May 27 14:51:01 <ghostcube> wth apt-get update && apt-get upgrade arent working
May 27 14:51:06 <zogg_laptop> SpeedEvil, what is stupid? i think it worked before i updated (pr1.1.1) i even don't remember what it did. after that it's nt working
May 27 14:51:10 <ghostcube> *isnt
May 27 14:51:34 <plastun> does anybody install MeeGo to N900?
May 27 14:51:37 <ghostcube> you cant combine commands by && in busybox?
May 27 14:51:45 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, try hildon-im-recache as root
May 27 14:51:49 <MohammadAG> ghostcube, you can
May 27 14:51:52 <SpeedEvil> zogg: at least for me - the other way round - press symbol - hold symbol - press blue - release blue - does not work.
May 27 14:51:59 <SpeedEvil> zogg: nor does pressing them at the same time
May 27 14:52:11 * timeless_mbp looks for other people who could offer help
May 27 14:52:12 <ghostcube> MohammadAG: hmmm my apt-get doesnt like it here ;(
May 27 14:52:20 <SpeedEvil> Is everyone else not seeing this - or is it just me / my hardware?
May 27 14:52:33 <zogg_laptop> SpeedEvil, all blue keys are working except Sym
May 27 14:52:44 <zogg_laptop> what does it do?
May 27 14:52:49 <SpeedEvil> zogg: this is to start the symbol overlay
May 27 14:53:00 <ghostcube> if you open an terminal and do fn+sym it should bring up a special sign table
May 27 14:53:01 <SpeedEvil> zogg: of the hardware keyboard
May 27 14:53:06 <timeless_mbp> zogg_laptop: does sym-eur give you a PIPE instead of a EUR?
May 27 14:53:10 <jaska> press fn, release fn, press sym, release sym works for me
May 27 14:53:23 <zogg_laptop> timeless_mbp, yes
May 27 14:53:28 <SpeedEvil> ghostcube: Oh - that works too
May 27 14:53:38 <timeless_mbp> ZogG: you have some keyboard layout installed, e.g. hebrew
May 27 14:53:38 <BCMM> has anybody benchmarked the various browsers available for Maemo?
May 27 14:53:38 <SpeedEvil> jaska: I mean
May 27 14:53:41 <timeless_mbp> which breaks that stuff
May 27 14:53:47 <BCMM> (and is it possible to change the default?)
May 27 14:54:24 <dotblank> ugh takes like 20 mins to install extra decoders
May 27 14:54:46 <ghostcube> anyone can confirm that apt-get update && apt-get upgrade dont work if you work in rootshell o.O
May 27 14:54:48 <TomaszD> don't fret, I'm preparing a new version dotblank
May 27 14:54:59 <TomaszD> but it does pull in many deps
May 27 14:55:00 <dotblank> TomaszD, :)
May 27 14:55:08 <jaska> now i need to refiddle with the layout to get 4 arrows while keeping the a and o umlauts
May 27 14:55:25 <TomaszD> should be a bit faster to install
May 27 14:55:33 <mortal> could it be possible to use the e90 keyboard as a bluetooth keyboard for an n800
May 27 14:56:07 <SpeedEvil> mortal: I've really not found the n900 keyb bad.
May 27 14:56:13 <dotblank> Does video calling require extra decoders/
May 27 14:56:18 <SpeedEvil> mortal: My laptop died for a week. I got up to ~30wpm
May 27 14:56:35 <nidO> he said n800
May 27 14:56:52 <nidO> and the e90's keyboard blows the n900's away anyway :p
May 27 14:57:10 <zogg_laptop> hhahaha
May 27 14:58:08 <jaska> i liked my jornada 720s kbd :|
May 27 14:58:14 <zogg_laptop>  i went to uninstall the hebrew keyboard and it says - no apps installed
May 27 14:59:01 <timeless_mbp> zogg_laptop: is it wrong?
May 27 14:59:27 <zogg_laptop> re-opened appmanager solved it
May 27 15:02:22 <dotblank> can anyone test video calling with me. just put pr 1.2 on
May 27 15:03:13 <rm_you> would if i could get my phone to boot
May 27 15:03:17 <rm_you> <_<
May 27 15:03:19 <BCMM> dotblank: skype really needs a video version of echo123
May 27 15:03:28 <rm_you> i thought they had one
May 27 15:04:05 <dotblank> BCMM, Skype test call works with video?
May 27 15:04:21 <BCMM> dotblank: no, but it should
May 27 15:04:52 <dotblank> ah.. im getting abunch of cedec mismatch errors.. with video calling
May 27 15:04:57 <dotblank> over gtalk
May 27 15:07:34 <MohammadAG> <BCMM> dotblank: skype really needs a video version of echo123 indeed
May 27 15:07:45 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: right, so do we have a wiki page/
May 27 15:08:08 <MohammadAG> <zogg_laptop>  i went to uninstall the hebrew keyboard and it says - no apps installed
May 27 15:08:27 <MohammadAG> open app manager and type killall apt-worker as root, you'll get the same effect :)
May 27 15:09:35 <rm_you> charged battery seems to have the same effect... noted that when it is not plugged in, it just immediately turns off during the moving dots.
May 27 15:09:42 <rm_you> is my n900 just fucked again?
May 27 15:09:55 <rm_you> seriously doubt quim is going to send me ANOTHER one <_<
May 27 15:11:31 <Aranel> whats the difference between USA and Global release?
May 27 15:11:59 <luke-jr> I think it's more like USA vs UK vs Finland vs ...
May 27 15:12:06 <luke-jr> varied keyboards or such
May 27 15:12:31 <MohammadAG> nope, keyboards are the same
May 27 15:12:42 <luke-jr> O.o
May 27 15:16:26 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, nope, they are not
May 27 15:16:52 <zogg_laptop> russian keyboard is different
May 27 15:16:58 <zogg_laptop> buttons are placed different
May 27 15:17:29 <MohammadAG> zogg_laptop, the fw has the same files afaik, it's determined by something else
May 27 15:17:33 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, for?
May 27 15:17:36 <MohammadAG> just like the FMTX
May 27 15:18:36 <thresh> long live the author of gps data logger widget.
May 27 15:19:21 <E0x> so know i can try the nokia qt sdk just fine , i mean test the app create on it in the n900 without do anything special ?
May 27 15:19:29 <thresh> and, of course, curse nokia for stupid ovi maps.
May 27 15:20:44 <rm_you> alright well, I booted up my other (broken USB) n900 with this battery, it starts up fine and reports well over half battery left. in my "not broken" (at least, physically) n900, it is still just immediately turning off after the NOKIA text and three seconds of the loading dots. T_T
May 27 15:20:44 <E0x> hmm i was using mapper in pr1.1 and was very fine , why is not yet in extra ?
May 27 15:20:48 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: sorry, which question
May 27 15:20:52 <E0x> some bugs ?
May 27 15:21:31 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: a) is there a wiki url explaining to people how to deal w/ OTA failure
May 27 15:21:42 <rm_you> timeless_mbp: i may have to ask Quim whether he feels like shipping me ANOTHER n900. this time i'll ship him TWO broken ones back! <_<
May 27 15:22:01 <timeless_mbp> ...
May 27 15:23:06 <MohammadAG> rm_you, it could be your fault you know :)
May 27 15:23:12 <MohammadAG> I'm still on 1 N900
May 27 15:23:17 <rm_you> lol i did nothing this time :P
May 27 15:23:24 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: i'm on n900s 4 and 5
May 27 15:23:28 <MohammadAG> then how did it brick
May 27 15:23:29 <rm_you> not that i did anything last time either, besides normal plugging and unplugging of USB
May 27 15:23:40 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, what happened to 1 2 and 3?
May 27 15:23:46 <rm_you> i was listening to pandora one day and it just turned off
May 27 15:23:51 <rm_you> and since then it won't turn on
May 27 15:24:05 <MohammadAG> bad luck
May 27 15:24:07 <rm_you> which was about two weeks after Quim sent it to me <_<
May 27 15:24:11 <MohammadAG> the very definition of it
May 27 15:24:27 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: one of them was dropped and had a bad encounter with a tile floor
May 27 15:24:34 <rm_you> I'm just glad I hadn't actually BOUGHT one
May 27 15:24:36 <timeless_mbp> one of them decided that charging wasn't important
May 27 15:24:43 <timeless_mbp> one's on permanent loan to an end user
May 27 15:24:53 <timeless_mbp> (and despite him trying to drown it, it's doing quite well)
May 27 15:24:56 <rm_you> the failure rate seems to be like... 75%
May 27 15:25:17 <rm_you> then again, people with problems are louder than people without
May 27 15:25:42 <rm_you> so it must not be THAT bad... it must just coincidentally happen repeatedly to people I know :P
May 27 15:26:08 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: so, i'm considering taking wiki.maemo.org/ota_failed
May 27 15:26:16 <RurouniJones> Hmm, how do you switch input with mscim on the N900?
May 27 15:26:27 <RurouniJones> I accidentally did it but then it switched back
May 27 15:26:40 <RurouniJones> And I cannot find the key combo to enable the Japanese input again
May 27 15:26:46 <MohammadAG> ctrl space
May 27 15:27:05 <RurouniJones> Nuts, thta is what I thought, tried that and it didn't work
May 27 15:27:19 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, I think there's already a page
May 27 15:27:40 <_gpg_> hi
May 27 15:27:58 <RurouniJones> And now it worked again, cheers MohammadAG, think I need to do some more experimentation
May 27 15:28:04 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update
May 27 15:28:05 <MohammadAG> :)
May 27 15:28:09 <timeless_mbp> but it's too long to make someone type!
May 27 15:28:55 <supertramp> :))))
May 27 15:29:53 <RurouniJones> Wooo! Jagged alliance 2 on the N900? Fantabulous
May 27 15:30:01 * RurouniJones goes and diggs out CD
May 27 15:30:21 <supertramp> cannot remember when I had thigs soooooo screwed up
May 27 15:31:02 <Rinsmaster> I have 120MB free in /home, but the application manager is complaining about free application space.. Also apt-get works fine.. :/
May 27 15:31:23 <MohammadAG> what about /?
May 27 15:31:27 <MohammadAG> and MyDocs
May 27 15:32:17 <Rinsmaster> MohammadAG, 60MB free in / and 4GB free in MyDocs, which all should be enough, especially for a 200kb app -.-
May 27 15:32:48 <Rinsmaster> It happened while restoring applications from my backup ( I just flashed to PR1.2)
May 27 15:32:49 <MohammadAG> Rinsmaster, what do the logs say?
May 27 15:33:00 <Rinsmaster> I'll check them out, good idea
May 27 15:34:11 <tripzero> so uh... OTA should work if you have the free space?
May 27 15:34:22 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.nokia.com/news/n900-gets-even-better-with-the-latest-update/
May 27 15:34:48 <zogg_laptop> oh, i know the secret
May 27 15:34:51 <SpeedEvil> Err - my store does not apparantly contain 'new Ovi Store content like 3D Rollercoaster, QuickPanorama Pro, Angry  Birds Level Pack, Sygic Mobile Maps and more. '
May 27 15:34:58 <SpeedEvil> Does anyone elses?
May 27 15:35:20 <zogg_laptop> SpeedEvil, that's what was my secret
May 27 15:35:23 <zogg_laptop> the new ovi store...
May 27 15:35:25 <zogg_laptop> wait for it
May 27 15:35:31 <zogg_laptop> ... is old one \o/
May 27 15:35:34 <zogg_laptop> TADA
May 27 15:35:37 <Rinsmaster> MohammadAG, http://paste.debian.net/plain/75071
May 27 15:35:38 <tripzero> lol
May 27 15:36:12 <Rinsmaster> As far as I know, 8952 < 119463936
May 27 15:36:55 <zogg_laptop> so how can i build the deb for maemo i a quickest way?
May 27 15:37:11 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: complain to peter@maemo ;-)
May 27 15:37:12 <MohammadAG> get a shed and a soldering iron
May 27 15:37:16 <RurouniJones> So with PR1.2 Mad Developer is the way to go for Qt dev?
May 27 15:37:22 <RurouniJones> No more scratchbox?
May 27 15:37:26 <MohammadAG> Rinsmaster, hmm, don't see anything weird
May 27 15:37:36 <MohammadAG> RurouniJones, who said that?
May 27 15:37:52 <MohammadAG> new sdk packages were released
May 27 15:38:08 <RurouniJones> Just based on past conversations in here it seemed that MADDE was the "new hotness"
May 27 15:38:51 <Rinsmaster> MohammadAG, So is there any way to possibly fix this?
May 27 15:39:03 <MohammadAG> Rinsmaster, I'd use apt
May 27 15:39:42 <zogg_laptop> does sdk build deb?
May 27 15:39:51 <MohammadAG> not without magic
May 27 15:39:53 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, then make a redirect.
May 27 15:39:54 <Rinsmaster> MohammadAG, that'd mean I always have to use apt instead of the app manager, I don't see that as a solution. I guess flashing the eMMC remains then?
May 27 15:40:16 <MohammadAG> Rinsmaster, try checking permissions?
May 27 15:40:21 <MohammadAG> i'm just guessing here
May 27 15:40:24 <MohammadAG> never seen that
May 27 15:40:30 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: is anyone working to update that article to cover 1.2?
May 27 15:40:31 <MohammadAG> actually, never used ham
May 27 15:40:35 <timeless_mbp> it only talks about 1.1 :(
May 27 15:40:53 <Pavlov> anyone know if thumb2 got broken in 1.2?
May 27 15:42:19 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, no idea.
May 27 15:42:40 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, I don't have the energy to invest in a deadend wiki. :P
May 27 15:42:50 <zogg_laptop> - PR1.3 � 1. QT Mobility |Source : Urho Konttori (Nokia)
May 27 15:42:53 <zogg_laptop> hmmmm
May 27 15:43:30 <timeless_mbp> :)
May 27 15:44:02 <Aranel> is it enough to use backup app to get a backup before flashing, or any other steps necessary?
May 27 15:44:27 <MohammadAG> yeah
May 27 15:45:32 <timeless_mbp> Aranel: depends on what you're trying to do
May 27 15:45:45 <timeless_mbp> generally backing up, and only flashing the rootfs and then restoring should be good enough
May 27 15:45:50 <nidO> generate a backup and, if you're paranoid or plan to flash the emmc, copy it to your pc
May 27 15:45:52 <Aranel> timeless_mbp: I'll flash my device with Latest Maemo 5 USA release for N900
May 27 15:45:52 <timeless_mbp> that was the design
May 27 15:46:11 * timeless_mbp hopes we don't have a usa release
May 27 15:46:19 <timeless_mbp> if we do, it will have virtually 0 testing
May 27 15:46:20 <Rinsmaster> MohammadAG, I found a bug report about my problem, only it seems like there's no solution yet. :/  https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10305
May 27 15:46:22 <povbot`> Bug 10305: Application Manager in PR1.2 says not enough space even though there is.
May 27 15:46:38 * microlith wonders what Nokia changed in the media player that reduced his visible album art down to two
May 27 15:46:45 <MohammadAG> hmm, that might be a blocker
May 27 15:47:19 <supertramp> ok - all data saved :}
May 27 15:48:48 <MohammadAG> Rinsmaster, reply on the bug report
May 27 15:49:13 <Rinsmaster> I will
May 27 15:49:19 <MohammadAG> with the log of course
May 27 15:49:24 <andre___> but please no "me too" but more info :)
May 27 15:49:25 <E0x> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54058
May 27 15:49:28 <andre___> heh, yes. log welcome.
May 27 15:49:33 <E0x> i was doing something like that
May 27 15:49:40 <E0x> well not like that but relate
May 27 15:49:45 <MohammadAG> andre___, yeah i noticed that my sentence was a bit spammy
May 27 15:49:47 <MohammadAG> :)
May 27 15:49:51 <E0x> i was doing a desktop indicator.
May 27 15:50:27 <timeless_mbp> andre___: why is the pr1.2 version number randomly different in bugzilla from the previous ones?
May 27 15:50:42 <luke-jr> LOL
May 27 15:51:09 <andre___> timeless_mbp, because Bugzilla sucks and ASCII sorting came to the rescue
May 27 15:51:19 <timeless_mbp> oh
May 27 15:51:20 <andre___> (no sorting for Version numbers)
May 27 15:51:21 <timeless_mbp> cheater
May 27 15:51:26 <timeless_mbp> cute
May 27 15:51:43 <andre___> timeless_mbp, was the only idea I had in the morning, being half asleep :-P
May 27 15:58:33 <zogg_laptop> is it old conversation widget or it's a new look ? http://maemo.nokia.com/images/app-screens/cache/conversations-inbox-widget-screen-400x240.png
May 27 15:58:53 <rm_you> that's an app
May 27 15:58:59 <rm_you> that's been around for a long time
May 27 15:59:15 <spectre-> god
May 27 15:59:26 <Shapeshifter> spectre-: yes?
May 27 15:59:27 <spectre-> freebsd community are a bunch of pricks :o
May 27 15:59:31 <spectre-> haha shape
May 27 15:59:45 <spectre-> anyone have experience with dnsmasq on the n900?
May 27 15:59:48 <rm_you> that's how I felt about debian for a while
May 27 16:00:04 <rm_you> so I'd ask all my linux questions in #gentoo, even though I used debian :P
May 27 16:00:21 <rm_you> I just had to phrase them carefully and interpret the responses through a debian user's filter :P
May 27 16:00:32 <zogg_laptop> rm_you, i know but it looks different
May 27 16:00:33 <spectre-> well, the debian channel is really hardcore about staying on-topic, but i just got booted from #freebsd for having difficulty finding something in a gigantic man file
May 27 16:00:43 <zogg_laptop> http://maemo.nokia.com/images/uploads/entry-media/features-mainpage-browser.jpg - that's how new ovi would look =)
May 27 16:00:57 <rm_you> lololol
May 27 16:00:59 <spectre-> so is pr1.2 out now?
May 27 16:01:01 <RurouniJones> Japanese Input, Mnemosyne that works...I am a happy bunny, thank you PR1.2
May 27 16:01:04 <spectre-> (can't see topic)
May 27 16:01:10 <rm_you> yes
May 27 16:01:12 <RurouniJones> spectre-: Yes
May 27 16:01:18 <spectre-> sweeeeeet
May 27 16:01:20 <spectre-> can i ot?
May 27 16:01:22 <spectre-> er
May 27 16:01:23 <spectre-> ota?
May 27 16:01:27 <rm_you> would love to run it but my n900 appears to be busted again. *sigh*
May 27 16:01:32 <rm_you> will poke at it more after I sleep
May 27 16:01:57 <RurouniJones> spectre-: Yes
May 27 16:02:16 <spectre-> sweet :)
May 27 16:02:18 <Xisdibik> RurouniJones: Japanese input in PR1.2?  where!?
May 27 16:02:22 <RurouniJones> Topic set by DocScrutinizer!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg on Wed May 26 15:18:07 2010
May 27 16:02:31 <RurouniJones> Whhops, stupid IRC client :)
May 27 16:02:35 <roue> hola
May 27 16:02:43 <RurouniJones> Xisdibik: install mscim and mscim-ja
May 27 16:02:47 <zogg_laptop> Get the full internet experience by quickly accessing rich Adobe Flash content across the web.
May 27 16:02:51 <DocScrutinizer> HUH??
May 27 16:03:10 <RurouniJones> To be honest, it isn't that great, there is some real wierdness with Kanji input
May 27 16:03:39 <Xisdibik> RurouniJones: -testing, -devel?  dont see it in the base repo
May 27 16:03:48 <RurouniJones> But I am still experimenting, plus there is another package called plain old scim and scim-ja. They might be in devel
May 27 16:04:10 <Xisdibik> RurouniJones: know if they are optified?
May 27 16:04:15 <RurouniJones> Not a clue
May 27 16:04:28 * luke-jr has PR1.3
May 27 16:04:28 <roue> I'm trying to use mod_deflate with a specific set of mime types and things with mime types I'm not specifying are still being sent with content-encoding: gzip. For instance, I specify "AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/html text/plain text/javascript text/css" and a request that returns Content-Type: video/quicktime is being gzipped. Any ideas? thanks.
May 27 16:04:32 <roue> er
May 27 16:04:32 <RurouniJones> I upgraded an hour ago and have been installing stuff left right and centre so I can experiment on the train tomorrow
May 27 16:04:36 <roue> wrong channel :)
May 27 16:04:38 <roue> sorry.
May 27 16:04:42 * Xisdibik bows before the God, luke-jr 
May 27 16:05:06 <Xisdibik> RurouniJones: well, if you can find out if its optified that would be win
May 27 16:05:06 <Xisdibik> :)
May 27 16:05:09 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; you still need help with the themes thing?
May 27 16:05:11 <RurouniJones> And now, bed. 1am and I was supposed to go to sleep 2 hours ago
May 27 16:05:19 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: yeah
May 27 16:05:22 <RurouniJones> Xisdibik: If I remember, they ain't exactly big packages
May 27 16:05:23 <timeless_mbp> does themes work for you?
May 27 16:05:25 <RurouniJones> Night
May 27 16:05:29 <rm_you> luke-jr: sweet, give me a copy of that and we'll see if my device can stay bricked even through a flash of that :P
May 27 16:05:31 <MohammadAG> Night
May 27 16:05:52 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; I haven't tested in 1.2, worked fine in 1.1.1
May 27 16:05:56 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, any apps in the store yet?
May 27 16:06:16 <Xisdibik> RurouniJones: still, id prefer it to be optified :D
May 27 16:06:39 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: i'm going to push out one more 1.1.1 update
May 27 16:06:48 <timeless_mbp> which i'd hope you'd get before you jump to 1.2
May 27 16:07:09 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; sorry, but I flashed my phone yesterday
May 27 16:07:30 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; in 1.2 it seems to work as well as it did in 1.1.1
May 27 16:08:45 <timeless_mbp> ok
May 27 16:08:45 <rm_you> timeless_mbp: do you know if there is any way to more *thoroughly* flash/reset the device than the flasher command on the wiki?
May 27 16:08:49 <spectre-> is my sources.list supposed to be empty?
May 27 16:09:07 <timeless_mbp> rm_you: once you move to 1.2, going back requires something people outside nokia don't have
May 27 16:09:15 <spectre-> rm_you, flash the content as well
May 27 16:09:16 <timeless_mbp> heck, it requires something most people *inside* nokia don't have
May 27 16:09:24 <rm_you> how do i do that
May 27 16:09:29 <rm_you> maybe that is the problem
May 27 16:09:30 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; managed to uninstall the wrong package and had no option than flush, took mee quite many hours to get things back as I had them before
May 27 16:09:33 <luke-jr> rm_you: sure, it's easy
May 27 16:09:33 <timeless_mbp> but if you're not talking about going backwards
May 27 16:09:50 <luke-jr> rm_you: dd if=/dev/zero of=PR1.3.img bs=1024 count=1024055
May 27 16:09:51 <spectre-> there's instructions somewhere about it on nokias site
May 27 16:09:53 <timeless_mbp> iirc you can actually specify both images in the flasher commadn line
May 27 16:09:55 <luke-jr> rm_you: that will make the image :)
May 27 16:10:00 <spectre-> i forget where :)
May 27 16:10:07 <spectre-> but that'll reset the filesystem as well
May 27 16:10:16 <spectre-> normally flashing only does the os
May 27 16:10:17 <rm_you> luke-jr: rofl
May 27 16:10:22 <rm_you> timeless_mbp: hrm k
May 27 16:10:32 <rm_you> spectre-: k will try that
May 27 16:10:46 <spectre-> read directions carefully :o
May 27 16:11:03 <spectre-> so, is my sources.list supposed to be empty?
May 27 16:11:08 <timeless_mbp> yes
May 27 16:11:14 <spectre-> hm
May 27 16:11:17 <timeless_mbp> spectre-: apt supports sources.list.d/*.list
May 27 16:11:26 <spectre-> ahhh, thx
May 27 16:11:29 <timeless_mbp> sources.list is for you to **** around with
May 27 16:11:40 <timeless_mbp> but i'd suggest you use sources.list.d/<your-whatever>.list instead
May 27 16:12:47 <spectre-> yeah
May 27 16:12:54 <spectre-> needed to clear out some bad repos
May 27 16:13:00 <spectre-> and apps manager is bugged
May 27 16:13:11 <rm_you> spectre-: don't see an option in the flasher-3.5 docs
May 27 16:13:34 <rm_you> timeless_mbp: specify *both* images?
May 27 16:14:12 <timeless_mbp> rm_you: there's a rootfs and a eMMC
May 27 16:14:21 <timeless_mbp> a/and a/and an/
May 27 16:14:26 <rm_you> ah
May 27 16:14:26 <timeless_mbp> if you really want a clean thing
May 27 16:14:31 <timeless_mbp> you'd want to flash both
May 27 16:14:33 <rm_you> yes
May 27 16:14:36 <rm_you> CLEAN
May 27 16:14:43 <rm_you> factory wipe
May 27 16:15:53 <Trizt> I guess no one here know how much a taksi from Vantaa airport to train station costs nowadays?
May 27 16:17:42 <rm_you> it says it can flash the eMMC image... but no where in the options does it say what flag to give
May 27 16:17:58 <rm_you> do I just do the exact same command as for the firmware image, just with the eMMC bin?
May 27 16:18:11 <TomaszD> rm_you, flash fiasco without the "-R" flag
May 27 16:18:20 <TomaszD> and eMMC with it
May 27 16:19:36 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: i'd expect ~30EUR
May 27 16:19:45 <timeless_mbp> it's ~6EUR to use the Finnair bus
May 27 16:20:02 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; where do those stop? if you know
May 27 16:20:17 <timeless_mbp> the finnair bus stops at the central railway station :)
May 27 16:20:27 <timeless_mbp> (and the continental hotel, but...)
May 27 16:20:30 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; okey, that would work fine
May 27 16:20:55 <timeless_mbp> it's a lot easier, runs regularly, something like every 20mins
May 27 16:21:06 <timeless_mbp> there's a stop in front of both terminals
May 27 16:21:12 <timeless_mbp> (finnair should pay me)
May 27 16:21:22 <Trizt> yeah :)
May 27 16:21:33 <Trizt> I'll tell them when I buy the tickets :)
May 27 16:21:43 <Trizt> 5% or is it 10% you want?
May 27 16:22:11 <timeless_mbp> 5% is fine :)
May 27 16:23:51 <Trizt> if resizing /home /home/user/MyDocs, then you need to get fdisk/parted from debian repo and do both system and emmc flashings?
May 27 16:26:33 <rm_you> fuck
May 27 16:26:38 <Aranel> how to manually refresh the menu? I mean rebuilding the menu cache.
May 27 16:27:19 <MohammadAG> killall hildon-desktop
May 27 16:27:28 <MohammadAG> slightly unclean, but who cares
May 27 16:27:37 <rm_you> well, flashed the eMMC image, then the firmware image, and it is still shutting down on the loading dots
May 27 16:28:11 <rm_you> anything lower level I can do to it?
May 27 16:28:29 <MohammadAG> flash a kernel with fbcon enabled
May 27 16:28:34 <rm_you> ?
May 27 16:28:41 <rm_you> fbcon?
May 27 16:28:56 <MohammadAG> framebuffer console
May 27 16:29:07 <rm_you> k
May 27 16:29:19 <rm_you> where can i get one of those that is compatible with PR1.2?
May 27 16:29:31 <rm_you> I hope the answer isn't "build one yourself"
May 27 16:29:42 <rm_you> kernel work was never my thing <_<
May 27 16:29:48 <Aranel> MohammadAG: But It seems It still loads from some location, so it knows the location for app. I've removed witter, reinstalled it, killed hildon-desktop, still It shows up on same place.
May 27 16:30:18 <Aranel> MohammadAG: I want to wipe that data, so It won't know where to place those apps. It's causing  bugs on my installation.
May 27 16:30:43 <hurbu__> can i upgrade to 1.2 on linux desktop ?
May 27 16:33:17 <rm_you> trying it with rd mode enabled and setting no-lifeguard-reset
May 27 16:34:26 <spinningcompass> Which package has libjpeg in it?
May 27 16:34:59 <Milhouse> maemo bugzilla is performing like sh1t when posting comments
May 27 16:35:04 <zogg_laptop> my interwebz are slooow
May 27 16:35:09 <zogg_laptop> MohammadAG, no apps
May 27 16:35:29 <rm_you> MohammadAG: hrm, with those flags set it has not shutdown yet, still in dots...
May 27 16:35:38 <rm_you> much longer than before
May 27 16:35:47 <lcuk> spinningcompass, on your console type "apt-cache search libjpeg"
May 27 16:35:57 <MohammadAG> rm_you, what flags?
May 27 16:36:09 <MohammadAG> oh
May 27 16:36:09 <spinningcompass> lcuk: Thank you. :)
May 27 16:36:21 <rm_you> YES
May 27 16:36:24 <rm_you> it booted up
May 27 16:36:30 <rm_you> lifeguard was killing it!?
May 27 16:36:35 <MohammadAG> uhh
May 27 16:36:35 <lcuk> rm_you, do not specify -R that flag is Reboot after completion
May 27 16:36:51 <rm_you> erm
May 27 16:36:55 <rm_you> right
May 27 16:36:56 <lcuk> just flash both, then take out battery
May 27 16:37:00 <rm_you> that wasnt really an issue
May 27 16:37:07 <lcuk> ah k
May 27 16:37:11 <rm_you> more like, it never booted to begin with :P
May 27 16:37:18 <rm_you> apparently lifeguard was shutting it down during bootup
May 27 16:37:39 <lcuk> are you still on a pre production device?
May 27 16:37:50 <rm_you> dunno
May 27 16:37:58 <rm_you> Quim just sent me this one like two weeks ago
May 27 16:38:00 <rm_you> so i doubt it?
May 27 16:38:02 <rm_you> could be tho
May 27 16:38:13 <Stskeeps> check hardware id
May 27 16:38:47 <rm_you> k
May 27 16:39:05 <rm_you> rx-51 revision 2101
May 27 16:40:28 <Xisdibik> so has anyone else tried out the mscim mscim-ja packages that knows if its optified?
May 27 16:43:09 <rm_you> ok well when i plug in the power cable it now says "Not charging"
May 27 16:43:29 <rm_you> and i put in a battery that had at least 3/4 life and it says it is empty and is making the battery low beep
May 27 16:44:38 <rm_you> is that something to do with R&D mode?
May 27 16:47:09 <spinningcompass> rm_you: Is it the USB cable, or the power brick (PSU)?
May 27 16:48:11 <Shapeshifter> does someone know if its save to use the led pattern editor with pr1.2?
May 27 16:48:28 <zlimvos> hey all. after upgrading to pr1.2 this new auto search thingy doesnt work for me. It works on contacts (like before) but not on app manager, not on media player to find music etc. any ideas what i should be looking for..?
May 27 16:49:47 <loufoque> I can't find how you're supposed to remove the battery of the N900
May 27 16:49:51 <loufoque> anyone has a link?
May 27 16:49:58 <lcuk> o_O
May 27 16:50:06 <SpeedEvil> loufoque: Axe.
May 27 16:50:09 <Rabidus> :D
May 27 16:50:09 <Xisdibik> how did you get your SIM card in loufoque ?
May 27 16:50:10 <lcuk> loufoque, theres a fingernail tab on the back side of n900
May 27 16:50:14 <lcuk> pull it and the back comes off
May 27 16:50:21 <SpeedEvil> loufoque: Or you look round the back, and find the fingernail tab.
May 27 16:50:27 <loufoque> I have removed the back cover already
May 27 16:50:33 <Xisdibik> SpeedEvil: #1 sounds easier
May 27 16:50:34 <Rabidus> :O
May 27 16:50:34 <lcuk> i just push my stylus about 2 inches into the fingertab and twist
May 27 16:50:37 <SpeedEvil> loufoque: bang it
May 27 16:50:45 <SpeedEvil> slightly
May 27 16:50:48 <SpeedEvil> it's not firmly in
May 27 16:50:55 <SpeedEvil> or pull it out with a fingernail
May 27 16:50:56 <Xisdibik> or use an axe?
May 27 16:50:57 <Xisdibik> ;)
May 27 16:51:02 <SpeedEvil> Or a sucker, if you're an octopus.
May 27 16:51:10 <lcuk> loufoque, theres a fingernail tab also at one end of battery
May 27 16:51:21 <Xisdibik> SpeedEvil: I can think of something else that has good suction
May 27 16:51:33 <loufoque> i tried to update my phone with nokia software updater
May 27 16:51:34 <loufoque> it failed
May 27 16:51:39 <loufoque> and now the phone is blocked
May 27 16:51:39 <lcuk> Xisdibik, your girlfriend leave stoo much saliva
May 27 16:51:44 <GAN900> wazd, ping?
May 27 16:51:45 <rm_you> spinningcompass: either
May 27 16:51:48 <lcuk> i had to mop up with a towel last time
May 27 16:51:53 <Xisdibik> lcuk: lolol
May 27 16:52:02 <Xisdibik> lcuk: i ment a vacuum. you perv :P
May 27 16:52:24 <lcuk> Xisdibik, either way, you need to tellyour GF to stop drooling :p
May 27 16:52:24 <spinningcompass> rm_you: It could be a hardware problem. Do you have a multimeter?
May 27 16:52:31 <Xisdibik> hey lcuk or GAN900  or Speedy,  if I install an app. how can i check if its installed in /opt?
May 27 16:52:33 <rm_you> not handy
May 27 16:52:40 <rm_you> could borrow one though
May 27 16:52:41 <nocturnal> i'm confused about updating my n900 maemo fremantle with the new 1.2 update. does using the pc suite method from windows also require restoring backups as when you use the flasher method?
May 27 16:52:47 <lcuk> Xisdibik, browse to opt and see whats there
May 27 16:52:49 <Xisdibik> lcuk: that wasnt my gf, thats my dog.....
May 27 16:53:08 <lcuk> sure Xisdibik i get them mixed up, both are hairy
May 27 16:53:08 <nocturnal> in other words, is pc suite just a function for flashing the firmware like the flasher utility?
May 27 16:53:23 <Xisdibik> lcuk: not my fault i dont like shaved women :p
May 27 16:53:53 <lcuk> Xisdibik, speaking of which, did you every find out why her name is bob
May 27 16:54:17 <rm_you> Stskeeps: what does hardware revision 2101 mean?
May 27 16:54:30 <Shapeshifter> rm_you: planned release date of PR1.3
May 27 16:54:33 <Xisdibik> lcuk: yes, it was short for Bobbette
May 27 16:56:26 <Xisdibik> lcuk: im going to guess since i found scim in  /opt/maemo/usr/share/scim   that mscim is optified?
May 27 16:57:31 <lcuk> Xisdibik, thats potentially somewhat correct
May 27 16:57:44 <lcuk> i believe theres a package which shows space used by all pacakges
May 27 16:57:48 <lcuk> and i cant remember its name
May 27 16:58:00 <SpeedEvil> df
May 27 16:58:30 <lcuk> no speedevil
May 27 16:58:38 <lcuk> something that shows list of packages and how much each takes
May 27 16:59:17 <SpeedEvil> I got halfway through writing one, then got distracted by something shiny.
May 27 16:59:56 <Bluewind> ideas why the option to use a sip accoutn for calls vanished with 1.2?
May 27 17:00:09 <lcuk> http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem#Tool_for_detection_of_non-optified_packages
May 27 17:00:12 <rm_you> the *SEARCH* option went away in the application manager?!
May 27 17:00:15 <lcuk> Xisdibik, ^ SpeedEvil
May 27 17:00:19 <Bluewind> also if I call the sip number the phone hangs up automatically
May 27 17:00:21 <lcuk> rm_you, just type
May 27 17:00:24 <lcuk> its search inline
May 27 17:00:27 <rm_you> k...
May 27 17:00:37 * rm_you mumbles about non-intuitive
May 27 17:01:47 <lcuk> rm_you, lists and grids in all operating systems do similar
May 27 17:02:50 <chadi> in PR1.2, can I make the menu scroll faster like PR1.1.1?
May 27 17:03:59 <chadi> please, it is terribly annoying
May 27 17:04:29 <lcuk> chadi, an alternative why are you scrolling so often
May 27 17:05:20 <Shapeshifter> mh
May 27 17:05:22 <chadi> because i like to...
May 27 17:05:24 <chadi> :P
May 27 17:05:25 <Shapeshifter> mediaplayer widget is also broken
May 27 17:05:35 <Shapeshifter> can only pause/next/prev but not play
May 27 17:05:37 <lcuk> chadi, you can rearrange menu to not have to scroll at all
May 27 17:05:48 <lcuk> is what im saying
May 27 17:06:01 <chadi> lcuk: I know that, but I use all the stuff at all times
May 27 17:06:46 <zlimvos> damn this is so annoying, auto search thingy doesnt work, and now search button on app.man
May 27 17:06:55 <zlimvos> *no
May 27 17:07:43 <zlimvos> is there a deamon that does the inliune search? to see if it is running?
May 27 17:08:15 <lcuk> chadi, go and search on bugs.maemo.org to see if anyone filed similar, if not file a bug, i can enquire what can be done :)
May 27 17:08:24 <lcuk> zlimvos, which bit of searching fails?
May 27 17:08:31 <lcuk> does itbring up the textbox or just do nothing?
May 27 17:08:42 <zlimvos> on application manager par example, does nothing
May 27 17:09:21 <lcuk> are you on the app list?
May 27 17:09:27 <lcuk> or just on the front screen of app man
May 27 17:09:43 <zlimvos> i tried on both screens (and download)
May 27 17:10:08 <rm_you> Is there anything about R&D mode that would cause the battery to read incorrectly?
May 27 17:10:16 <rm_you> or, I guess maybe I do just need a multimeter
May 27 17:10:31 <zlimvos> ok then i see i was expecting to work for all type of apps, but i have to choose first 'games' and then type. then it works
May 27 17:10:59 <lcuk> zlimvos, "both screens" ?  front screen, download categories, applicaiton list
May 27 17:11:10 <lcuk> the application list is the one with the search
May 27 17:11:22 <MohammadAG> rm_you, never stay in R&D mode, I found out why a week ago
May 27 17:11:43 <MohammadAG> (thankfully nothing bad happened, I just shrugged)
May 27 17:11:43 <zlimvos> lcuk: then I guess there is no way to search for a word matching in all type of applications
May 27 17:11:47 <lcuk> rm_you, what are you needing battery stuff?
May 27 17:11:51 <lcuk> zlimvos, click all
May 27 17:11:52 <lcuk> ..
May 27 17:12:08 <zlimvos> o_o
May 27 17:12:16 <chadi> lcuk: fine, will do :)
May 27 17:12:34 <chadi> one more question, what's with the ctrl+shift+r?
May 27 17:12:56 <Bluewind> any ideas why I can't use sip anymore to call someone/get called? (pr 1.2)
May 27 17:13:56 <rm_you> lcuk: one n900 says my battery is half charged, the other says it is empty and shuts off
May 27 17:14:00 <rm_you> for both of my batteries
May 27 17:15:48 <lcuk> rm_you, then charge them?
May 27 17:16:22 <rm_you> they ARE charged
May 27 17:19:18 <lcuk> rm_you, how do you know?
May 27 17:19:29 <lcuk> if 2 devices are both telling you the same thing?
May 27 17:19:33 <rm_you> no
May 27 17:19:35 <rm_you> i said
May 27 17:19:43 <rm_you> one device says it is more than half full
May 27 17:19:52 <rm_you> the other says it is empty and shuts off
May 27 17:19:58 <rm_you> for both of my batteries
May 27 17:20:05 <lcuk> ok misunderstood
May 27 17:20:41 <rm_you> thought maybe it was an R&D mode quirk or something <_<
May 27 17:20:48 <Bluewind> nobody using sip with pr 1.2 here?
May 27 17:21:03 <PhonicUK> hey all
May 27 17:21:37 <PhonicUK> anyone else finding that the browser behaves weird when using the arrow keys since 1.2?
May 27 17:21:45 <MohammadAG> kind of
May 27 17:21:51 <MohammadAG> can live with it
May 27 17:21:53 <lcuk> rm_you, not heard of anything similar, are tehse official nokia batteries maintained normally, or have you been shoving them in places they arent meant to be
May 27 17:22:28 <PhonicUK> it keeps on scrolling after i let go :/
May 27 17:22:55 <rm_you> lcuk: had to charge them in N810, per the instructions Quim gave on his blog :P
May 27 17:23:21 <rm_you> lcuk: since the n900 that works right doesn't have an attached USB port anymore, and the one that does have USB is just failing in general
May 27 17:24:10 <Stskeeps> ah, right, it's possible to charge n900 battery in n810?
May 27 17:24:32 <rm_you> supposedly
May 27 17:24:54 <rm_you> it worked for a few weeks at least
May 27 17:24:59 <rm_you> appears to still be working, except this
May 27 17:27:21 * ShadowJK tried battery in N810, but had too much trouble getting all 3 pins to make contact
May 27 17:27:41 <rm_you> thats what the stylus is for :P
May 27 17:28:23 <Bluewind> ok maybe someone knows why the jabber voice chat buttons also vanished?
May 27 17:29:08 <Bluewind> apparently skype still has call buttons
May 27 17:29:43 <Corsac> Bluewind: I still have them
May 27 17:29:49 <Corsac> plus video calls when available
May 27 17:29:51 <Bluewind> jabber audio and sip?
May 27 17:30:08 <Corsac> no mention of sip, but yeah, audio calls
May 27 17:31:25 <DocScrutinizer> rm_you: anyway battery charge guestimation is flawed, and I'm not surprised to hear it differs largely from one N900 to the other, with same battery
May 27 17:32:43 <DocScrutinizer> rm_you: basically as soon as you remove the battery fro N900, it loses track of the cell's charge, and needs several full cycles to calibrate
May 27 17:32:56 <rm_you> it also says "not charging" when i plug it in
May 27 17:33:14 <DocScrutinizer> now that's a real bug then
May 27 17:33:48 <rm_you> dunno if it is PR1.2 or the hardware
May 27 17:33:51 <DocScrutinizer> probably you ruined the springs of the batteries when charging in N810
May 27 17:33:53 <rm_you> it was fucked up before i flashed it
May 27 17:33:54 <rm_you> so
May 27 17:34:03 <rm_you> well, they both work in my other n900
May 27 17:34:11 <rm_you> keep swapping back and forth to check
May 27 17:34:29 <rm_you> it just happens that the other n900 (the one the batteries work fine in) doesnt have a USB port anymore
May 27 17:34:59 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 27 17:35:15 <DocScrutinizer> seems unrelated
May 27 17:35:20 <GAN900> rm_you, lol
May 27 17:35:50 <rm_you> GAN900: I want an android device with a snapdragon and a keyboard T_T
May 27 17:35:57 <rm_you> i am seriously about to give up
May 27 17:36:01 <DocScrutinizer> though not really, as the gaughe chip can't calibrate anymore due to missing charge cycle
May 27 17:36:06 <GAN900> rm_you, oh, hush.
May 27 17:36:10 <GAN900> Snapdragon sucks.
May 27 17:37:01 <rm_you> well, you know what i bought USED a year ago and still works?
May 27 17:37:04 <rm_you> my G1
May 27 17:37:28 <rm_you> the n900 is freaking amazing and I love it more than I can express
May 27 17:37:40 <rm_you> but I'm tired of having to switch back to another phone when it breaks
May 27 17:38:14 <GAN900> Yeah, well, don't be such a big whore and they wont get jealous on you. *g*
May 27 17:38:38 <lcuk> rm_you, im surprised you have so much tragedy with yours
May 27 17:38:45 <lcuk> im still on the one i got in september
May 27 17:38:46 <rm_you> hey, I only use my G1 when the n900 won't put out :P
May 27 17:38:50 <lcuk> and other
May 27 17:38:57 <rm_you> lcuk: <_<
May 27 17:39:10 <GAN900> lcuk, me too.
May 27 17:40:36 <rm_you> whatever, i'm going to bed. i'll debug more in the ... evening
May 27 17:40:43 <GAN900> Bed?
May 27 17:40:46 <rm_you> going to bed at 1PM <_<
May 27 17:40:57 <rm_you> been up since 3PM yesterday :/
May 27 17:41:11 <rm_you> fuck my sleep schedule
May 27 17:41:19 <rm_you> I start work next tuesday 8-5
May 27 17:46:38 <GAN900> Oops
May 27 17:48:03 <lcuk> lighters with torches built in.  genius
May 27 17:48:51 <jaska> for a min there i was confused, then realized its the english version of flashlight
May 27 17:57:08 <GAN900> jaska, yeah, no pitchforks, unfortunately. ;)
May 27 18:01:19 <Dassu> Is it normal that  PR 1.2 requires PC to upgrade the device?
May 27 18:05:55 <Xisdibik> thats disappointing GAN900
May 27 18:06:09 <Xisdibik> I wanted to turn my n900 into the perfect werewolf hunting device
May 27 18:06:32 <lcuk> Xisdibik, with the Buffy pack, it works for vampires
May 27 18:06:38 <lcuk> replaces the stylus with a wooden stake
May 27 18:06:49 <Sargun_Screen> what's the easiest way to make the n900 vibrate from python
May 27 18:06:51 <Xisdibik> lol
May 27 18:07:11 <Xisdibik> lcuk: does it come with Buffy?
May 27 18:07:13 <lcuk> Sargun_Screen, dbus call
May 27 18:07:24 * N900evil drools.
May 27 18:07:34 <Sargun_Screen> lcuk: which one
May 27 18:07:52 <lcuk> see jebbas wiki pages about dbus calls and search
May 27 18:07:58 <ZogG> i have some program
May 27 18:07:59 <ZogG> trying to run it
May 27 18:08:06 <lcuk> health check is python
May 27 18:08:11 <lcuk> and has tests for vibe
May 27 18:08:14 <lcuk> so dig into its code
May 27 18:08:18 <ZogG> i got sh blabla permission denied
May 27 18:08:26 <lcuk> ZogG, yeah needs root
May 27 18:08:29 <ZogG> i used chmod +x and chmod +x
May 27 18:08:32 <ZogG> nothing
May 27 18:08:40 <ZogG> lcuk, tried from root =)
May 27 18:08:40 <lcuk> chomod on MyDocs does nothing
May 27 18:08:47 <lcuk> chmod
May 27 18:09:05 <ZogG> lcuk from root as well?
May 27 18:09:17 <lcuk> mydocs cannot accept +x
May 27 18:09:30 <pupnik> fat cannot
May 27 18:09:40 <lcuk> hey pupnik
May 27 18:10:27 <lcuk> Xisdibik, what kind of question is that
May 27 18:10:35 <lcuk> and why do you ask
May 27 18:10:45 <Xisdibik> haha i was curious
May 27 18:11:10 <pupnik> hi lcuk
May 27 18:11:25 <lcuk> Xisdibik, what kind of personal use
May 27 18:11:28 <lcuk> i have many computers here
May 27 18:11:42 <Xisdibik> like your everyday use it all the time one
May 27 18:11:52 <lcuk> i use 2
May 27 18:12:01 <Xisdibik> are they PC's macs, linux? :p
May 27 18:12:48 <lcuk> one (the one im talking in now) is windows xp desktop headless, run through vnc, onto my x200s laptop
May 27 18:13:05 <pupnik> woo for x200s
May 27 18:13:21 <pupnik> anything it does worse than x41?
May 27 18:13:25 <lcuk> and the code window notes browser mail and other stuff is VVVVV on the main laptop screen
May 27 18:13:25 <MohammadAG> UGH
May 27 18:13:32 <pupnik> like does keyboard feel cheaper?
May 27 18:13:33 <MohammadAG> C code is hard to edit
May 27 18:13:33 <lcuk> yeah pupnik its not touchable
May 27 18:13:55 <Xisdibik> x200s laptop?
May 27 18:13:57 <Sargun_Screen> lcuk: no luck finding said page, link?
May 27 18:14:12 <lcuk> cant easily write/test applicaitons for touching when i cant touch and interact with them ;)
May 27 18:14:16 <pupnik> yes, some later lenovo kbds arent as nice as ibm's
May 27 18:14:24 <pupnik> ohh no touchscreen
May 27 18:14:30 <Xisdibik> lcuk: ah a lenovo laptop :)
May 27 18:14:34 <Xisdibik> Thinkpad
May 27 18:15:25 <Sargun_Screen> lcuk: nevermind
May 27 18:15:47 <Xisdibik> bbl
May 27 18:15:58 <lcuk> Sargun_Screen, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+jebba+dbus
May 27 18:17:18 <Sargun_Screen> lcuk: yeah, I was using maemo.org search
May 27 18:18:28 <MohammadAG> andre___, shall I close bug 10159
May 27 18:18:29 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10159 "Longpress special character" breaks console applications in X Terminal
May 27 18:18:43 <GAN900> Anybody know what Ovi's getting the promised new content?
May 27 18:18:54 <MohammadAG> soon :)
May 27 18:19:14 <andre___> MohammadAG, I'd keep it for the time being. On the other hand, osso-xterm in Maemo5 seems to be quite dead.
May 27 18:19:34 <MohammadAG> andre___, well fixing it would result in breaking another bug
May 27 18:20:07 <MohammadAG> andre___, and there's already a package which fixes (or unfixes bug 5421) it
May 27 18:20:07 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421 keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number
May 27 18:23:39 <andre___> MohammadAG, in that case I'd say: Do what you think is right. (Because you've got some really good arguments.) :)
May 27 18:24:05 <MohammadAG> andre___, I always ask for a second opinion, so... anyone?
May 27 18:24:45 <andre___> MohammadAG, I'm in! :-D
May 27 18:24:55 <MohammadAG> third opinion? :)
May 27 18:25:18 <andre___> wait, let me log in under a different name
May 27 18:26:21 <wolf^> personally I'd vote for a proper fix for xterm
May 27 18:26:32 <FredrIQ> lol
May 27 18:26:32 <kthomas_vh_> Stskeeps, if you're around,  I was told to ask you about getting my n810 to recognize the internal flash as memory again,  after booting from flash (mine says the card is 'formatted incorrectly',  even if I reformat)...
May 27 18:26:39 <FredrIQ> i'm used to the "more" icon
May 27 18:26:43 <andre___> wolf^, which is highly unlikely for Maemo5
May 27 18:26:48 <wolf^> I know
May 27 18:26:53 <FredrIQ> i end up turning on Settings everytime i access the menu
May 27 18:26:54 <FredrIQ> :P
May 27 18:28:32 <andre900> MohammadAG: I totally agree! And I'm really not andre, I swear! ;-)
May 27 18:29:45 <MohammadAG> hehehe :)
May 27 18:30:21 <N900evil> how does it break xterm?
May 27 18:30:23 <N900evil> wfm
May 27 18:30:27 <kamui> I
May 27 18:30:28 <kamui> love
May 27 18:30:30 <kamui> pr1.2
May 27 18:30:41 <kamui> which doesn't really do anything new
May 27 18:30:48 <kamui> but it feels fast
May 27 18:30:53 <lcuk> \o/
May 27 18:31:05 <kamui> also, Im happy gles was fixed
May 27 18:31:10 <FredrIQ> it fixes a LOT of bugg
May 27 18:31:12 <FredrIQ> bugs*
May 27 18:31:16 * kamui has been struggling with descent controls for the whole morning
May 27 18:31:23 <FredrIQ> and upgrades random packages
May 27 18:31:35 <FredrIQ> it deleted my awesome q2tab mod. ;(
May 27 18:31:45 * FredrIQ must put it in again.. sometime
May 27 18:31:53 <FredrIQ> :(*
May 27 18:33:00 <johnsq> Hi
May 27 18:34:42 <zeevqwr> hi, how to enable videocalling for skype?
May 27 18:36:07 <zeevqwr> can you read my posts?
May 27 18:36:29 <Trizt> zeevqwr; go to your addressbook, select te contact you want to call and click on the "skype video call" button
May 27 18:39:06 <zeevqwr> i have only regular skype call and IM
May 27 18:39:12 <zeevqwr> no video...
May 27 18:39:39 <zeevqwr> (i did update)
May 27 18:39:58 <Trizt> did you updated to pr1.2?
May 27 18:40:25 <zeevqwr> yes, today...
May 27 18:40:38 <Trizt> could be that your contact don't support video calls
May 27 18:40:45 <zeevqwr> i got some new stuff
May 27 18:41:02 <Trizt> I found one of my contacts who don't and therfor I don'ät have the video call button
May 27 18:41:23 <zeevqwr> a really? how can he enable it?
May 27 18:42:15 <Trizt> depends on hos skype client, if it don't have the  "Video Device" in his options, then not without upgrading client to a newer
May 27 18:43:28 <ghostcube_maemo> my sd works again
May 27 18:43:47 <zeevqwr> thank you!
May 27 18:43:48 <Trizt> zeevqwr; among the "video device" settings there is an option "Enable Skype Video", this has to be checked
May 27 18:43:48 <ghostcube_maemo> after i upgraded it startet working
May 27 18:44:15 <Trizt> ghostcube_maemo; I had problems with my sd, but than it was -10 degrees
May 27 18:44:29 <Dassu> Flashing the device with USB cable doesn't remove the Backups right?
May 27 18:45:05 <Trizt> Dassu; depends on how you flash, if you do the single flash, then no, but if you do the dural (including emmc) then yes
May 27 18:45:12 <ghostcube_maemo> Trizt: it stoped after reflashing, now after apt-get upgrade it works again
May 27 18:45:22 <lcuk> Dassu, backups stored in MyDocs are safe unless you flash the EMMC image
May 27 18:45:22 <ghostcube_maemo> so i dont know what caused it
May 27 18:46:17 <Trizt> ghostcube_maemo; I noticed that if you have the back cover open, then the sd won't be accesseble
May 27 18:46:49 <ghostcube_maemo> it was definetly anything with the n900 . in an card reader it worked fine
May 27 18:47:09 <ghostcube_maemo> Trizt: hmm yeah but this wasent the prob
May 27 18:47:16 <ghostcube_maemo> :)
May 27 18:48:43 <Trizt> IMHO it's quite silly to disable the SD when the back cover is open, you need to remove the battery first before you can remove it
May 27 18:49:06 <defragger> is anyone able to see the program "bc" in the extras-devel repository?
May 27 18:50:45 <Kegetys> you dont need to remove the battery
May 27 18:51:40 <Trizt> Kegetys; sorry, but you are right
May 27 18:52:28 <lcuk> defragger, http://maemo.org/packages/
May 27 18:52:56 <pupnik> "No portrait keyboard" must piss some folks off :)
May 27 18:54:08 <lcuk> pupnik, i see at least 2 portrait keyboards
May 27 18:54:20 <Trizt> wouldn't the keys bee minimalistic small?
May 27 18:55:42 <pupnik> dunno. n900 is a two hand device for me.  get e72 if you want a phone
May 27 18:56:09 <lcuk> Trizt, t9
May 27 18:56:37 <kamui> man
May 27 18:56:49 <pupnik> i saw ppl claim 100* MB free after flashing pr1.2 - true?
May 27 18:57:11 <lcuk> yes
May 27 18:57:13 <lcuk> easily
May 27 18:57:18 <GAN900> Stuff was optified.
May 27 18:57:20 <lcuk> ive >100mb for a cleanflas
May 27 18:57:28 <lcuk> its^
May 27 18:57:38 <Trizt> pupnik I had 92MB after flash
May 27 18:58:36 <pupnik> finally i got to see real phone stores with decent selection lcuk
May 27 18:58:45 <Trizt> any date on when adobe releases flash 10 for arm?
May 27 18:58:46 <pupnik> the amoled phones are sweet
May 27 18:58:47 <lcuk> pupnik, where have you been?
May 27 18:58:51 <pupnik> finland
May 27 18:59:09 <lcuk> Trizt, ask adobe
May 27 18:59:39 <pupnik> i will never like typing on-screen.  never
May 27 18:59:55 <Trizt> lcuk; they said ask at #maemo ;)
May 27 19:00:06 <kamui> hi pupnik!
May 27 19:00:10 <kamui> I love typing on screen
May 27 19:00:25 <lcuk> Trizt, well wheres the source
May 27 19:00:42 <Trizt> on their home page
May 27 19:00:55 <pupnik> off to the rice paddies with kamui
May 27 19:01:03 <lcuk> really? link to source download for flashplayer?
May 27 19:01:08 <lcuk> 10
May 27 19:01:21 <Trizt> no, I think it was for 11 :P
May 27 19:02:08 <lcuk> Trizt, sure, where
May 27 19:07:29 <m> maemouser
May 27 19:09:30 <Funnyface> damn I hate when someone phones me in the middle of something on the N900 :p
May 27 19:09:50 <Funnyface> it's just as annoying as the lame ending on that N900 video where you get a phone call from your mum :>
May 27 19:10:20 <aSIMULAtor> im glad you like my acting
May 27 19:10:23 <aSIMULAtor> ;)
May 27 19:11:07 <lcuk> aSIMULAtor, o_O what are you acting at now
May 27 19:11:31 <aSIMULAtor> acting at
May 27 19:11:34 <aSIMULAtor> possibly going to sleep
May 27 19:11:35 <aSIMULAtor> at 10pm
May 27 19:11:38 <aSIMULAtor> which is early as hell
May 27 19:11:43 <lcuk> lol
May 27 19:11:44 <petteri> hmmm.. I took couple of picture today. Earlier I saw those in pictures, but now they are gone. File still exists. Any way to refresh the picture browser view
May 27 19:11:44 <aSIMULAtor> but i feel like poo
May 27 19:11:47 <aSIMULAtor> i'm good at acting like poo
May 27 19:11:48 <maemouser> hello is there any difference between updating the device from pc or via application updater?
May 27 19:12:20 <lcuk> maemouser, only that one completely reflashes, the other tries to upgrade whats there
May 27 19:12:23 <frals> cant go to bed now, its eurovision song contest qualifiers! ;)
May 27 19:12:28 <lcuk> backup properly before either
May 27 19:13:10 <aSIMULAtor> huh
May 27 19:13:14 <aSIMULAtor> eurovision qualifying again
May 27 19:13:16 * lcuk renames aSIMULAtor as MyHankyulator
May 27 19:13:19 <aSIMULAtor> i thought that was 2 days ago or something
May 27 19:13:20 <lcuk> Mr
May 27 19:13:24 * lcuk cant type
May 27 19:13:34 <MohammadAG> bacon shortage?
May 27 19:13:50 <frals> aSIMULAtor: half was then last half is now
May 27 19:14:06 <lcuk> MohammadAG, certainly
May 27 19:14:17 <maemouser> i will backup but i wonder if any file remains when i update via application updater
May 27 19:14:20 <lcuk> i need bacon and chocolate and other things to sustain me
May 27 19:14:37 <MohammadAG> chocolate?
May 27 19:14:40 * MohammadAG hates that
May 27 19:14:58 <maemouser> such as the update package itself
May 27 19:15:29 <lcuk> maemouser, what do you mean
May 27 19:15:35 <redeeman> anyone that has managed to revert the onscreen keyboard?
May 27 19:15:36 <aSIMULAtor> just ate some chocoalte
May 27 19:15:59 <MohammadAG> redeeman, I'll start experimenting with it soon
May 27 19:16:02 * lcuk cant eat chocolate or bacon until teeth are fixed
May 27 19:16:10 <MohammadAG> right now i'm trying to get back menu kinteic scrolling
May 27 19:16:27 <redeeman> MohammadAG: if you could let me know if you succeed or have new results i'd apreciate it, and who knows, maybe i can help
May 27 19:16:37 <redeeman> unfortunately im VERY busy the next few days, i have to go to the phillipines
May 27 19:16:39 <lcuk> and my coffee tastes like crap with no sugar
May 27 19:16:43 <mazer_> hmm, this software updater suggests that we no longer need to flash?
May 27 19:16:44 <lcuk> i might start drinking tea
May 27 19:16:49 <lcuk> anyone know any nice ones to brew
May 27 19:16:50 <MohammadAG> lcuk, add sugar :)
May 27 19:16:56 <lcuk> cant!
May 27 19:16:59 <MohammadAG> redeeman, no promises though
May 27 19:17:00 <lcuk> dentist told me off
May 27 19:17:00 <redeeman> ahh i was just at the dentist today :) zero holes
May 27 19:17:02 <mazer_> lcuk: "can't"
May 27 19:17:05 <redeeman> MohammadAG: i understand
May 27 19:17:05 <MohammadAG> lcuk, screw him
May 27 19:17:06 <MohammadAG> :)
May 27 19:17:24 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: Sweetner.
May 27 19:17:34 <MohammadAG> or that
May 27 19:17:42 <lcuk> mazer, whats the matter with missing off a few ' its not like they are required and wont let me ingest sugar
May 27 19:18:02 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, even more evil
May 27 19:18:09 <mazer_> lcuk: because "im" is not "i'm", "theyre" is not "they're" and "cant" is not "can't"
May 27 19:18:24 <mazer_> mohammad: you updated to pr1.2?
May 27 19:18:33 <MohammadAG> yea
May 27 19:18:44 <mazer_> mohammad: the software updater rm's everything?
May 27 19:18:54 <mazer_> like with the flasher, or whatever
May 27 19:18:57 <defragger> is this a packet i am able to install through the application manager? : http://maemo.org/packages/view/bc/
May 27 19:19:03 <mazer_> a packet?
May 27 19:19:08 <MohammadAG> which updater?
May 27 19:19:13 <MohammadAG> App manager?
May 27 19:19:32 <mazer_> mohammad: "Nokia Software Updater"
May 27 19:19:33 <evo> hello, I was using a script to monitor GPRS traffic (with gconftool calls), but /sys/osso/connectivity keys seems gone
May 27 19:19:40 <Dassu> Hmm
May 27 19:19:43 <mazer_> mohammad: http://www.softsailor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Nokia-Software-Updater-500x381.png
May 27 19:19:52 <MohammadAG> mazer_, same as flasher
May 27 19:19:56 <MohammadAG> so yes
May 27 19:20:09 <mazer_> mohammad: ah.
May 27 19:20:11 <MohammadAG> it removes everything except MyDocs
May 27 19:20:19 <Dassu> Maan. Sucks to flash my device just for n900. I will lose my desktop icons and propably some things I have no idea about. Wonder if all of my apps will lose their settings
May 27 19:20:19 <mazer_> fair enough.
May 27 19:20:37 <mazer_> Dassu: your desktop icons! oh no!
May 27 19:20:40 <Dassu> :D
May 27 19:20:49 <Dassu> Dude, I have a lot of bookmarks on my desktop
May 27 19:21:05 <lcuk> Dassu, just backup and then restore afterwards
May 27 19:21:06 <joga> wow, how do they fit?
May 27 19:21:07 <joga> ;)
May 27 19:21:07 * Dassu prefers to place bookmarks on the desktop
May 27 19:21:09 <lcuk> the backup tool is very good
May 27 19:21:12 <wazd> GAN900: pong :)
May 27 19:21:18 <alterego> I used backup and restore and got all my icons back.
May 27 19:21:21 <Dassu> lcuk: does restore the shortcuts?
May 27 19:21:23 <alterego> Even restored my conboy data
May 27 19:21:24 <pupnik> backups include desktop bookmarks?
May 27 19:21:24 <lcuk> desktop icons all come back once apps are installed again
May 27 19:21:25 <mazer_> I wonder what I'd want to backup
May 27 19:21:27 <lcuk> yeah
May 27 19:21:30 <pupnik> k
May 27 19:21:32 <lcuk> its very good at what it does :)
May 27 19:21:34 <mazer_> backups include packages?
May 27 19:21:53 <joga> a package list, I think
May 27 19:21:53 <Dassu> also I have recreate my ssh+irssi shortcut. Also I have to limit my number of desktops to 2 once again
May 27 19:21:58 <mazer_> eh.
May 27 19:22:01 <Dassu> lol, I have little memory about htat
May 27 19:22:02 <lcuk> it backs up all apps that have config files in the backup settings folder ;)
May 27 19:22:17 <joga> lcuk huh?
May 27 19:22:27 <mazer_> think i'd rather rm -rf and start over.
May 27 19:22:27 <lcuk> mazer_, it even backs up your repository selections
May 27 19:22:38 <lcuk> and network settings
May 27 19:22:42 <lcuk> and furry dice
May 27 19:22:46 <mazer_> I'm running pr1.2-beta or whatever.
May 27 19:22:46 <joga> Dassu: why limit the desktop?
May 27 19:22:47 <lcuk> oh crap
May 27 19:22:53 <sandstorm> sorry I was on my N900 could not type and read efficiently so briefly do you suggest me to update maemo via pc so that it makes a fresh reflash cleaning up everything behind ?
May 27 19:23:01 <joga> (and btw where's that 9-desktop thing...)
May 27 19:23:13 <mazer_> I just want half decent gas/gcc support
May 27 19:23:21 <mazer_> might work on clang/llvm porting
May 27 19:23:23 <Dassu> joga: Faster to scroll
May 27 19:23:24 <mazer_> when I feel better
May 27 19:23:25 <Dassu> joga: simpler
May 27 19:23:47 <joga> Dassu: yeah, I was thinking of 3 but all four I have are already full of stuff
May 27 19:23:57 <Dassu> joga: when you have 2 desktops you end up with the second desktop no matter where you scroll to
May 27 19:24:01 <mazer_> lcuk: metasploit is half nice on n900.
May 27 19:24:07 <joga> the 9-way desktop would be nice, it has the same wrapping effect
May 27 19:24:11 <Dassu> joga: I have very little stuff on my second desktop
May 27 19:24:15 <joga> (and much more space)
May 27 19:24:37 <lcuk> i have over 9000 desktops
May 27 19:24:55 <lcuk> only kidding, i just use the normal 4 ;)
May 27 19:25:07 <joga> Dassu: I've mostly gathered shortcuts to apps that I find useful, so I don't need to hunt them from the app list
May 27 19:25:34 <joga> and couple of the widgets take a lot of space. not that they're very useful but hey, they may look cool ;)
May 27 19:29:31 <mazer_> lcuk: wmii
May 27 19:30:21 <sandstorm> sorry for repeating, I am maemouser, is there any difference between SSU update and Nokia Software Updater update while updating the firmware
May 27 19:30:22 <kthomas> ok,  what determines where partitions are mounted upon boot?
May 27 19:30:25 <lcuk> mazer_, after telling me off about ' i would have thought you would use english :p
May 27 19:30:53 <mazer_> lcuk: what did I say that confused you?
May 27 19:31:25 <tybollt> lala
May 27 19:31:36 <lcuk> sandstorm, SSU is inprocess single packages updates which aims to retain running system.  flashing is like reformatting windows and starting again.  however in both cases use the backup tool because you dont do a big update like this without backing up,  right!?
May 27 19:31:45 <lcuk> mazer_, wmii
May 27 19:31:59 <mazer_> lcuk: yes? http://wmii.suckless.org/
May 27 19:32:32 <joga> kthomas: you mean, fstab?
May 27 19:32:36 <tybollt> \o_
May 27 19:32:40 <tybollt> -o/
May 27 19:32:46 <kthomas> joga,  clearly not fstab :)
May 27 19:32:54 <sandstorm> lcuk: sure thing for backing up, just curiousity does flashing wipe out everything ?
May 27 19:32:56 <tybollt> /o/
May 27 19:33:27 <sandstorm> lcuk: instead of memory card I guess ?
May 27 19:33:35 <joga> kthomas: can you rephrase your question?
May 27 19:33:37 <kthomas> because fstab says to boot the internal card on mmc1
May 27 19:33:51 <kthomas> *mount
May 27 19:34:04 <kthomas> and instead it mounts on mmc2
May 27 19:34:12 <lcuk> sandstorm, the contents of MyDocs is not touched by either SSU or reflashing normally
May 27 19:34:24 <kthomas> not to mention anything else I put in fstab is pretty much ignored for boot purposes
May 27 19:34:25 <lcuk> the only way to wipe out MyDocs is to flash the EMMC image
May 27 19:34:37 <kthomas> is it bootloader which determines?
May 27 19:34:51 <lcuk> mazer_, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGUKICDeok
May 27 19:34:55 <lcuk> thats my comeback
May 27 19:35:23 <sandstorm> lcuk: so I am guessing all the apps are stored in MyDocs folder
May 27 19:35:29 <sandstorm> sorry for my ignorance
May 27 19:35:32 <lcuk> no
May 27 19:35:35 <lcuk> the backup would be
May 27 19:35:39 <lcuk> and your photos are
May 27 19:35:42 <lcuk> and movies etc
May 27 19:35:53 <lcuk> SSU doesnt remove the applications, it does an inplace upgrade
May 27 19:35:54 <bfree> anyone noticed their N900 slowing down?  I guess I might need a reboot ... current uptime 50 days :-p
May 27 19:36:07 <lcuk> and would not need you to restore afterwards
May 27 19:36:12 <lcuk> because everything should still be there
May 27 19:36:29 <lcuk> but if you reflash you come back with system default apps
May 27 19:36:42 <lcuk> and you can restore from your backup and bring everything back
May 27 19:37:00 <sandstorm> hmm
May 27 19:37:28 <sandstorm> I see
May 27 19:37:33 <lcuk> im going beering anyway >>
May 27 19:37:42 <sandstorm> btw that liqbase seems rocking and thanks to your for presenting that to us
May 27 19:37:55 <sandstorm> *you
May 27 19:38:19 <sandstorm> thanks very much for the info btw
May 27 19:38:29 <lcuk> sandstorm, :) ta its just been in a bit of a hibernation stage recently whilst some other things are sorted
May 27 19:39:26 <sandstorm> are you the/a developer of that?
May 27 19:39:48 <lcuk> yeah
May 27 19:40:56 <sandstorm> as it says; maybe the first creative application of N900 (or a major one)
May 27 19:41:33 <sandstorm> simple and effective
May 27 19:41:37 <sandstorm> nicely thought
May 27 19:41:38 <lcuk> sandstorm, thats the onedotzero stuff :)
May 27 19:41:39 <lcuk> http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/onedotzero-adventures-in-motion-powered-by-nokia-n900/
May 27 19:42:00 <lcuk> the n900 controller is written ontop of liqbase engine
May 27 19:42:29 <sandstorm> I see
May 27 19:42:30 <lcuk> but anyway, beer is calling
May 27 19:42:54 <lcuk> cya later #maemo \p
May 27 19:42:56 <lcuk> \o
May 27 19:43:09 <sandstorm> see you around
May 27 19:43:13 <sandstorm> bon apetit�
May 27 19:43:24 <tybollt> lcuk: o/
May 27 19:43:38 <tybollt> grenoullie apetite
May 27 19:45:20 <BCMM> anyone using Qtirreco?
May 27 19:45:22 <kthomas> boot does not read fstab,  known bug:
May 27 19:45:23 <kthomas> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2575
May 27 19:45:25 <povbot`> Bug 2575: changes to fstab (mount mmc as /home) ignored on device startup
May 27 19:45:33 <kthomas> fstab not used on n810...
May 27 19:46:42 <bfree> anybody else reached months of uptime on an N900?  without problems?
May 27 19:47:09 <tybollt> no
May 27 19:47:15 <tybollt> it is not a competition
May 27 19:47:17 <tybollt> so stop that
May 27 19:47:40 <joga> I've often ran out of battery so it's a hard thing to do with a cell phone
May 27 19:47:42 <mazer_> lcuk: I'm unable to visit youtube
May 27 19:48:05 <visz> i have quite impressive downtime with my first N900
May 27 19:49:01 <visz> HTH HAND
May 27 19:49:45 <bfree> I'd no reason to shut it down or anything, so I'm not entering a competition, just curious why it's behaving a little odd (and seems to have been degrading over the last week or two)
May 27 19:50:32 <joga> bfree: do you get cpu usage (unresponsiveness of the gui) when you flick the locking switch to turn it on?
May 27 19:50:58 <bfree> not just flicking the locking switch, but yes
May 27 19:50:59 <joga> often there's also some thumbnailing going on at the background so it may slow it down at times for a while
May 27 19:51:25 <joga> but if you see hildon-home taking 100% for a few secs when you open lock, booting probably helps, or killing hildon-home
May 27 19:51:40 <joga> I think it's some widget bug or whatever, or, at least was in pr1.1
May 27 19:53:59 <caotic> I didnt forsee pr1.2 "uninstalling" all my applications
May 27 19:54:18 <red> just installed canola2
May 27 19:54:29 <joga> caotic: did you do over over-the-air update?
May 27 19:54:31 <red> works great but cant type in dialogs
May 27 19:54:36 <bfree> guess I'll leave top running and see if I can catch it in the act ;-)  or else I'll install that kexec capable kernel and give myself an excuse to reboot it :-p
May 27 19:54:44 <red> like last.fm logins or naming playlists :(
May 27 19:55:24 <caotic> joga: mm define over the air ? since the n900 required to use the nokia suite
May 27 19:55:43 <joga> caotic: so you flashed it? did you take a backup first?
May 27 19:56:19 <joga> caotic: over the air would be with the app manager's update thingy
May 27 19:57:14 <caotic> joga: I did backup, but only in the device, I cant find the backup utility under settings
May 27 19:58:00 <joga> caotic: if you have the backup that you made on the n900, I think you just need to restore that and the programs will be reinstalled
May 27 19:58:26 <joga> haven't tried it though, but I saw someone here saying they did that
May 27 19:58:26 <sandstorm> can we use freshly released meego 1.0 on N900 officially ?
May 27 19:58:39 <caotic> I see, I think that I was looking on the wrong place at first
May 27 19:58:40 <joga> sandstorm: I think meego will never be officially on the n900
May 27 19:58:42 <lcuk> caotic, its on the main menu
May 27 19:58:46 <lcuk> not in settings ;)
May 27 19:58:53 * lcuk raises a glass
May 27 19:59:11 <caotic> lcuk: joga yup,
May 27 19:59:18 <sandstorm> joga: hmm I did not know that
May 27 19:59:29 <sandstorm> I was thinking maemo will transit to meego when the time comes
May 27 19:59:58 <joga> I think hacks will be made but nokia said that they don't intend meego to be supported on the n900
May 27 20:00:27 <joga> who knows, maybe it'll just work without a hitch but it's not their priority
May 27 20:00:33 <sandstorm> oh I see but it's a bit weird than imho, merging with intel and not supporting it on devices.
May 27 20:00:34 <caotic> joga: really ? I thougth that the n900 was the only device that could use mego
May 27 20:00:51 <sandstorm> *then
May 27 20:00:54 <visz> i tried meego live image on my laptop today
May 27 20:01:02 <visz> it had wonderful colourscene
May 27 20:01:08 <sandstorm> caotic: same here
May 27 20:01:14 <sandstorm> not the only
May 27 20:01:20 <visz> crayonic
May 27 20:01:21 <sandstorm> but the capable device
May 27 20:01:37 <joga> though the first google hit says something like this http://theunlockr.com/2010/05/27/meego-1-0-available-for-download-for-nokia-n900-and-atom-based-netbooks/
May 27 20:01:49 <b-man> hmm, got a very strange PM O_o
May 27 20:01:52 <b-man> <faridcmi> your to sleep well
May 27 20:02:07 <sandstorm> hmm interesting
May 27 20:02:21 <joga> the second hit is the nokia blog that says "Although Nokia N900 devices are being used for platform development and testing purposes by those involved in the MeeGo project, Nokia doesn’t have plans for a full scale commercial MeeGo upgrade on the Nokia N900."
May 27 20:02:51 <sandstorm> is that an official response from an author?
May 27 20:02:57 <joga> http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/
May 27 20:04:23 <alterego> Id on't know how many times Nokia are going to have to say that exact same thing before it actually sinks in.
May 27 20:04:47 <alterego> I also don't get this whole, we want someting that doesn't exist yet yesterday attitude :/
May 27 20:04:47 <GAN900> alterego, they should really make it a press release
May 27 20:04:53 <sandstorm> "Nokia realises this news may be a disappointment for some" <-- talking about me
May 27 20:05:01 <GAN900> To let everybody know how little they really care. ;)
May 27 20:05:10 <alterego> Heh
May 27 20:05:16 <alterego> You're such an optimist GAN :P
May 27 20:05:32 <kthomas> swap?
May 27 20:05:44 <alterego> I have to say though, I'm quite happy with PR1.2
May 27 20:05:51 <Zucca> Ok... Where's the search funtion in App manager now? After an update it disappeared. Should I reboot?
May 27 20:05:54 <alterego> Makes everything much more snappier.
May 27 20:05:57 <sandstorm> I was enthusiastic about intel and nokia collaboration over MeeGo on N900
May 27 20:06:21 <Zucca> In Maemo 5 I mean.
May 27 20:06:22 <alterego> Zucca: just type, the option in the menu has been replaced by just typing whilst viewing a category
May 27 20:06:24 <b-man> xnt14: !!!
May 27 20:06:24 <caotic> Zucca: refresh the mirrors
May 27 20:06:30 <lcuk> Zucca, go into all category and start typing
May 27 20:06:37 <Zucca> alterego: Ah. Nice. Thanks. :)
May 27 20:06:50 <Zucca> alterego: Does it also search from descs?
May 27 20:07:06 <xnt14> b-man: Hello. :P
May 27 20:07:10 <alterego> Zucca: name and short desc I believe
May 27 20:07:14 <lcuk> it searches on pretty much anywhere in maemo with a grid/list
May 27 20:07:26 <Kegetys> I be it will take a few generations for meego to become polished anyway so maemo may be better anyway for N900
May 27 20:07:49 <Zucca> This is great. :) Thanks everyone. \o
May 27 20:07:51 <joga> and if the devs already run it on n900 it will work, official or not
May 27 20:07:53 <b-man> xnt14: 8P
May 27 20:07:56 <lcuk> alterego, :) glad pr1.2 is working for you
May 27 20:08:06 <tuliobaars>  :)
May 27 20:08:14 <alterego> Kegetys: until the community develop a MeeGo that has all the features users expect from the N900 right now, no user should replace maemo with meego
May 27 20:08:17 <xnt14> b-man: lol
May 27 20:08:19 <Kegetys> which is also quite silly in my opinion, just when maemo is made mature it is thrown out and replaced with meego :P
May 27 20:08:43 <alterego> lcuk: yeah, just makes the device smoother :)
May 27 20:09:20 <alterego> Kegetys: I think MeeGo is probably the best decision Nokia have made in a long time.
May 27 20:09:41 <alterego> Kegetys: just above actually using Linux in a device path.
May 27 20:09:56 <alterego> They were doing it before Google, hell, Google don't really do it anyway.
May 27 20:10:05 <Kegetys> well, I just hope intel wont convince nokia to go for x86
May 27 20:10:21 <sandstorm> I have pr1.1 right now so depending on your "glad pr1.2 is working for you" statement might I not upgrade to the new firmware?
May 27 20:10:26 <alterego> I can imagine in the future, Google will write their own kernel and Android will not have a single element of Linux in it :D
May 27 20:10:51 <tuliobaars> people!
May 27 20:10:57 <alterego> sandstorm: I think his comment is just because I'm pretty happy with it, but there are a lot of people that were expecting more and obviously arse still complaining about the lack of features.
May 27 20:11:34 <alterego> sandstorm: we all pretty much new what PR1.2 would bring, and it has indeed brought everything on that list. It is definitely an improvement to 1.1.1, I can't see a single reason not to upgrade :)
May 27 20:12:01 <tuliobaars> How can i improve the OS2008 transitions/animations, like in Canola; Opera or Firefox? I'd like all OS with a flip and that things...is there a way?
May 27 20:12:01 <caotic> Does anyone thinks that the n900 stand (the "leg" that holds the n900 as a picture frame) is a joke ?
May 27 20:12:06 <alterego> Basically, don't listen to the trolls, 1.2 is a good upgrade, as you'd expect.
May 27 20:12:53 <MaikB> hi folks
May 27 20:13:07 <sandstorm> alterego: since we dont have a downgrade option, I am a bit worried if something is wrong depending on people currently experiencing the new one
May 27 20:13:25 <sandstorm> alterego: I see, thank you for enlightening :)
May 27 20:13:43 <alterego> sandstorm: well, there is always a risk, but you can't really break it beyond repair unless you do something really silly.
May 27 20:14:09 <alterego> Admittedly, I prefer flashing over OTA, feels cleaner.
May 27 20:14:29 <sandstorm> alterego: hmm, good point, I was thinking to flash it over Nokia Software Updater
May 27 20:15:05 <alterego> So, I backed up using the backup application, flashed following the appropriate flashing procedure, and then did a restore. And everything is just as I had it before, better infac, obviously :)
May 27 20:15:06 <MaikB> [N900][Skype][Video] Gents, I tried to video-call my notebook (which has a cam built in) which runs skype with another account. It didn't work.  Anyone here had more success and give me a heads up what I've might done wrong?
May 27 20:15:35 <sandstorm> alterego: what is the rationale beyond thinking that way ? suggesting OTA over NSU ?
May 27 20:15:44 <sandstorm> I mean what are your claims
May 27 20:16:00 <MohammadAG> wiki.maemo.org borked?
May 27 20:16:20 <tuliobaars> N900 just $285: http://bnnshop.com/proView.php?proid=341
May 27 20:16:27 <alterego> sandstorm: well, I've done OTA's in the past and not had a problem, but my reasoning is, if you flash it, there is no possibility of having redundant information on the root filesystem, as you're effectively reformatting it at the same time.
May 27 20:16:49 <caotic> MohammadAG: yeah the webpage has been sluggish
May 27 20:16:53 <alterego> And I'm a stickler for upgrading with a clean slate :)
May 27 20:17:04 <alterego> Or tablet ^.^
May 27 20:17:07 <sandstorm> tuliobaars: brand: Nikon ?
May 27 20:18:23 <sandstorm> alterego: so keeping in mind that, cant we say flashing would be cleaner and fresher so might be better with a chance(small or not)
May 27 20:19:01 <tuliobaars> is there real?
May 27 20:19:05 <sandstorm> so that NSU would be better than OTA ?
May 27 20:19:32 <alterego> sandstorm: well, I guess I also think it's better, because when you're doing it, you're sitting calmly at your desk, preparing for it. So you're less likely to screw it up, and as the process is much quicker than an OTA even if you do do something wrong, you'll probably be able to flash your device about 5 times in the time it takes to do the OTA :)
May 27 20:20:12 <alterego> So, as long as you've backed up your data, flashing is much faster.
May 27 20:20:56 <flux> well, there's also the possibly long stage or restoring all apps from the net ;)
May 27 20:21:00 <sandstorm> so you changed your advice to NSU update, not the OTA one right ? :)
May 27 20:21:22 <BCMM> anyone successfully imported infrared codes recorded on a computer into qtirreco?
May 27 20:21:28 <alterego> sandstorm: I thought I was always promoting NSU :) As flashing is what I always do.
May 27 20:22:23 <alterego> I suppose another reason not to do OTA, if it does not work, then you're left walking around with a brick until you can get home to a computer and flash it ;)
May 27 20:22:39 <rdorsch> Can anybody tell if PR1.2 is already released for Germany?
May 27 20:22:53 <visz> pfft
May 27 20:23:00 <visz> ota works just nice
May 27 20:23:30 <sandstorm> alterego: I see, thanks for the brainstorming :)
May 27 20:23:35 <visz> i bet my money on n900 doing the flashing over windows or linux desktop computer anytime
May 27 20:23:37 <GAN900> The Droid slide action is so awful.
May 27 20:23:44 <sandstorm> and sharing valuable thoughts of yours
May 27 20:23:51 <bfree> I hadn't realised PR1.2 was out so I guess that's the obvious excuse for a reboot to lose my uptime ;-)
May 27 20:23:57 <alterego> visz: yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't. I know they go through a lot of effort making sure it'll work well for users. But with the amount of "dodgy" N900's out there with custom kernels, over-clocked CPU's and seriously screwed installations, it's not guaranteed to work.
May 27 20:24:03 <sandstorm> but one thing to clarify, we dont blame OTA or say OTA is bad :)
May 27 20:24:12 <alterego> Flashing is easy, painless and is extremely reliable.
May 27 20:24:12 <MaikB> [N900][Skype][Video] ah, according to this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53579&page=6 it doesn't work because I dare to use linux as my desktop OS
May 27 20:24:22 <MaikB> pitty me :'(
May 27 20:24:25 <alterego> exactly.
May 27 20:24:34 <pupnik> apt-get upgrade is bad
May 27 20:24:38 <toresbe>  http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/all/autotalent
May 27 20:24:40 <alterego> Heh
May 27 20:24:42 <toresbe> oops, sorry
May 27 20:24:43 <sandstorm> just brainstorming about the probable consequences and etc
May 27 20:25:27 <visz> well my vista with nokia pc suite doesn't seem to recognize my phone with some of the apps
May 27 20:25:41 <visz> nokia maps uploader for example
May 27 20:25:44 <pupnik> device still running after a g u alterego - at least wifi, web, irssi
May 27 20:26:33 <MohammadAG> andre___, ping?
May 27 20:26:37 <alterego> I'm just giving my opinion, I'm not saying one method is technically any better than another, I'm just expressing my personal bias toward flashing over doing OTA.
May 27 20:26:45 <andre___> MohammadAG, pong
May 27 20:26:50 <alterego> That and PR1.2 was available before I got the OTA notification :D
May 27 20:27:06 <MohammadAG> andre___, just wondering if you could create a sub category for Desktop widgets -> Email Widget
May 27 20:27:22 <GAN900> I've only been able to do OTA for PR1.1.1
May 27 20:27:23 <MohammadAG> aka Component
May 27 20:27:37 <pupnik> i think it is funny what happens
May 27 20:27:39 <MohammadAG> Bug 10294 to be more exact
May 27 20:27:40 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 Email widget on desktop does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts
May 27 20:27:50 <sandstorm> alterego: for which, I appreciate it and I am glad about
May 27 20:27:56 <alterego> GAN900: anything unusual about your N900?
May 27 20:28:07 <alterego> sandstorm: no problem :)
May 27 20:28:21 <alterego> GAN900: except it being yours that is :P
May 27 20:29:00 <andre___> MohammadAG, uhm I should, yeah
May 27 20:31:23 <andre___> MohammadAG, done. thanks for noticing.
May 27 20:32:00 <MohammadAG> andre___, thanks for making it :)
May 27 20:32:43 <MohammadAG> andre___, heh, changing a small detail emailed everyone
May 27 20:33:21 <andre___> hmm? which detail?
May 27 20:34:34 <GAN900> alterego, September proto.
May 27 20:34:42 <GAN900> alterego, and early firmware access. :P
May 27 20:35:00 <chupy35> hi, i was upgrading my n900, but when it was upgrading, but my battery goes empty and now my n900 dont turn on, only reboots and a red led turns on what can i do?
May 27 20:35:17 <alterego> GAN900: hahah, oh, well, they did say that it wouldn't work for the early 1.2 leaks
May 27 20:35:42 <alterego> chupy35: charge it
May 27 20:35:59 <chupy35> alterego its already charged
May 27 20:36:32 <chupy35> but it fails the upgrading and i fuck it up and can boot now, i upgrade with apt dist upgrade
May 27 20:36:43 <MohammadAG> andre___, the component one in the bug, changed it from contacts to email widget
May 27 20:36:44 <GAN900> alterego, well, it was an official early
May 27 20:36:50 <GAN900> alterego, and the same as the released.
May 27 20:37:01 <MohammadAG> andre___, you should've received an email anyways :)
May 27 20:37:09 <andre___> ah that one. yeppah
May 27 20:37:15 <GAN900> alterego, so I didn't NEED to OTA. Since I already had it.
May 27 20:37:52 <rdorsch> I am wondering why I do not see PR1.2 in the program manager (it claims 0 updates are available)
May 27 20:38:02 <rdorsch> when I do and apt-get upgrade, I get
May 27 20:38:03 <rdorsch> 1055 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded.
May 27 20:38:04 <rdorsch> Need to get 106MB of archives.
May 27 20:38:04 <rdorsch> After this operation, 8606kB disk space will be freed.
May 27 20:38:04 <rdorsch> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
May 27 20:38:27 <chupy35> how can i repair my n900?
May 27 20:38:27 <rdorsch> Is that expected or do I miss something?
May 27 20:39:11 <MohammadAG> rdorsch, you probably broke the mp-fremantle-<productcode>-pr package
May 27 20:39:13 <rdorsch> chupy35: there are a number of service manuals available.
May 27 20:39:40 <GAN900> Too bad the business end axed the beta program
May 27 20:39:42 <lcuk> chupy35, :
May 27 20:39:45 <lcuk> ~flashing
May 27 20:39:46 <infobot> flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 27 20:40:12 <rdorsch> /home/user # apt-cache search mp-fremantle
May 27 20:40:12 <rdorsch> mp-fremantle-generic-pr -
May 27 20:40:12 <rdorsch> /home/user #
May 27 20:41:03 <chadi> were you guys able to improve the framerate for contacts scrolling?
May 27 20:41:08 <rdorsch> MohammadAG: is mp-fremantle-<productcode>-pr available for download from an apt-source or was that preinstalled?
May 27 20:41:15 <chupy35> thanls lcuk
May 27 20:41:25 <chadi> the transitions improvement is great so far :)
May 27 20:41:26 <Mbere> could someone help me
May 27 20:41:31 <Mbere> i'm new to this
May 27 20:41:33 <rdorsch> I see only mp-fremantle-generic-pr
May 27 20:41:33 <MohammadAG> rdorsch, preinstalled, just reinstall it
May 27 20:41:48 <MohammadAG> umm, <productcode> is what you need to replace...
May 27 20:41:58 <MohammadAG> generic for global 002 for US etc...
May 27 20:42:08 <Mbere> how to i install applications that i downloaded to my p.c.
May 27 20:43:00 <Mbere> ?
May 27 20:43:24 <lcuk> Mbere, you downloaded them to your pc? why?
May 27 20:43:35 <Mbere> coz
May 27 20:43:48 <MohammadAG> ...
May 27 20:43:49 <Mbere> i have free internet when i'm using my p.c.
May 27 20:43:57 <sandstorm> can I somehow see the ingredients of the backup file/files created by backup manager? I am just wondering what type of data it stores as backups .
May 27 20:44:11 <MohammadAG> sandstorm, normal zip files
May 27 20:44:17 <Mbere> its costly when i use the application manager
May 27 20:44:26 <lcuk> Mbere, ? wifi
May 27 20:44:28 <Dima202> Hmm, I wonder why they removed search from app manager
May 27 20:44:30 <rdorsch> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
May 27 20:44:48 <lcuk> Dima202, because if you go into the categories, click all and start typing it magically searches!
May 27 20:44:49 <rdorsch> do they want me to free 122 MB in the root filesystem for OTA PR1.2?
May 27 20:44:52 <lcuk> same for any other category
May 27 20:44:53 <sandstorm> MohammadAG: does it compress all the applications I installed including all their conf and executable files ?
May 27 20:45:05 <Dima202> oh cool didn't know that thanks
May 27 20:45:06 <lcuk> sandstorm, application config only
May 27 20:45:08 <MohammadAG> sandstorm, it backs up application lists
May 27 20:45:14 <lcuk> and repository list+app list
May 27 20:45:21 <lcuk> when you restore you can then restore apps ontop
May 27 20:45:22 <Mbere> i don't have wifi at this point
May 27 20:45:30 <Mbere> is there no other way?
May 27 20:45:32 * lcuk drinks faster
May 27 20:45:48 <sandstorm> so list for apps and their conf files are stored as backups anything else? (just trying to understand the dynamics)
May 27 20:45:52 <lcuk> Mbere, not easily as a regular user with gui
May 27 20:46:03 <lcuk> if you ssh as root you can use your linux skills and dpkg :)
May 27 20:46:07 <Mbere> i could install .deb files
May 27 20:46:13 <Mbere> but
May 27 20:46:19 <Mbere> .install files?
May 27 20:46:26 <Mbere> how do i install those
May 27 20:46:41 <lcuk> those just tell you which repository and package to grab
May 27 20:46:47 <dotblank> Mbere, usually those are python arn't that or is that setup
May 27 20:46:49 <lcuk> and are specifically for HAM
May 27 20:47:05 <dotblank> nah nvm its setup.py that does that
May 27 20:47:08 <sandstorm> so anyhow can I see which conf files it stores in the backup files, maybe I could want to ignore some of them to make them refreshed with the default ones?
May 27 20:47:29 <dotblank> sandstorm, you could flash EVERYthing
May 27 20:47:39 <Mbere> i can install debian files using the x terminal yes
May 27 20:47:50 <dotblank> or rm ~/.
May 27 20:47:57 <sandstorm> dotblank: I know but I am trying to understand the basics you know
May 27 20:48:02 <Mbere> but how do i install those with the .install extnsion?
May 27 20:48:07 <sandstorm> the tweaks etc.
May 27 20:48:58 <Dassu> :grrr flashing my n900
May 27 20:49:09 <Dassu> hopefully will not result in failure or lost data
May 27 20:49:20 <kthomas> ^good luck
May 27 20:49:33 <Dassu> I know I will lose some of the data but what if like images or such. Shouldn't happen cause those are in MyDocs
May 27 20:49:39 <Mbere> so no one knows?
May 27 20:50:00 <Dassu> CMT flased successfully
May 27 20:50:03 <Dassu> booting now
May 27 20:50:06 * kthomas is too stubborn to flash
May 27 20:50:11 <dotblank> Mbere, what other files are in the program
May 27 20:50:11 <Dassu> grrr
May 27 20:50:16 <Dassu> :D lol, it was quick
May 27 20:50:36 <Dassu> :( I was so scared because 500euros is so much for me
May 27 20:50:55 <alterego> Dassu: scared of what?
May 27 20:50:55 <Mbere> dotblank , could you be specific perhaps?
May 27 20:51:27 <Dassu> alterego: like bricking it
May 27 20:51:33 <dotblank> Mbere, is the only file you have is a .install?
May 27 20:51:34 <Dassu> "oops power cut"
May 27 20:51:56 <pupnik> try flashing with a damaged usb header for excitement
May 27 20:52:05 <alterego> Dassu: hundreds of Nokias are flashed every day, maybe even thouasands, no one really has any problems. The chances of you drastically breaking it are so very slim :P
May 27 20:52:13 <alterego> Heh
May 27 20:52:30 <dotblank> Ive flashed mine plenty
May 27 20:52:55 <Mbere> dotblank like for example eyes-widget.install thats wat i have
May 27 20:53:20 <dotblank> hmm can you cat the file?
May 27 20:53:34 <Mbere> cat?
May 27 20:53:42 <dotblank> its a command
May 27 20:53:43 <Mbere> sorry i'm such a n00b
May 27 20:53:58 <dotblank> reads the contents of a file
May 27 20:54:26 <Mbere> well
May 27 20:54:34 <Mbere> after copying it to my phone
May 27 20:54:37 <Mbere> i can see it
May 27 20:54:49 <Mbere> but i don't know how to install it
May 27 20:54:56 <dotblank> whats in it
May 27 20:54:58 <dotblank> the file
May 27 20:55:15 <dotblank> binary data or a description of where to download it
May 27 20:55:21 <MohammadAG>        cat - concatenate files and print on the standard output
May 27 20:55:40 <Dassu> Yep
May 27 20:56:25 <Mbere> just the icon
May 27 20:56:54 <Mbere> k lemme put the question this way
May 27 20:56:54 <Dassu> woot, All my shortcuts were restored.
May 27 20:57:12 <Mbere> is the another way to install apps withut using the application mamanger?
May 27 20:57:21 <Dassu> yes, apt-get
May 27 20:57:26 <Dassu> or dpkg
May 27 20:58:40 <MohammadAG> or manual unpacking :)
May 27 20:58:43 <MohammadAG> I'm off
May 27 20:58:52 <Mbere> k thanks
May 27 20:59:06 <Mbere> will try that
May 27 21:01:06 <Dantonic> how do I install PR1.2 from ubuntu?
May 27 21:01:18 <Dantonic> is there an installer application?
May 27 21:01:36 <sandstorm> been 215 megabytes and NSU is still dling pr1.2
May 27 21:01:45 <andre___> Dantonic, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 27 21:02:21 <andre___> Dantonic: but normally you don't need to reflash. no on-the-fly update possible?
May 27 21:02:38 <Dantonic> won't let me
May 27 21:02:45 <Dantonic> says I have to do it through the installer
May 27 21:03:03 <Dantonic> are you able to visit the wiki? for some reason I can only visit the "talk" area of maemo.org
May 27 21:03:17 <Dantonic> been try to get there all morning the wiki that is
May 27 21:03:28 <andre___> uhm. I recommend a data backup in that case
May 27 21:03:31 <andre___> wiki works here
May 27 21:03:41 <Dantonic> damn it!
May 27 21:03:45 <Dantonic> this sucks!
May 27 21:03:50 <sandstorm> works here as well
May 27 21:04:14 <sandstorm> try viewing it over vtunnel.com
May 27 21:04:26 <tuliobaars> Hey people, is it real? it can't, huh? a N900 for 285Bucks!
May 27 21:04:29 <tuliobaars> http://bnnshop.com/proView.php?proid=341
May 27 21:04:40 <sandstorm> I doubt it is
May 27 21:04:59 <DrGrov> hello hello guys and girls
May 27 21:05:26 <tuliobaars> yep, but... i wanna try...
May 27 21:05:41 <tuliobaars> a n900 for 285...it sounds like a dream
May 27 21:05:44 <Dantonic> CGI Error
May 27 21:05:44 <Dantonic> No response from wiki.maemo.org:80
May 27 21:05:55 <Dantonic> thats from vtunnel
May 27 21:05:58 <sandstorm> hmm
May 27 21:06:00 <sandstorm> so it means
May 27 21:06:00 <andre___> tuliobaars: ROFL. with typos in their webpage, like "Detials". that looks veeeery serious ;-)
May 27 21:06:06 <sandstorm> theres a server thingie going on
May 27 21:06:11 <tuliobaars> sorry, andree?
May 27 21:06:19 <Dantonic> :(
May 27 21:06:20 <tuliobaars> what's ROFL?
May 27 21:06:51 <andre___> ROFL = a good laugh.
May 27 21:06:56 <sandstorm> :)
May 27 21:07:12 <Dantonic> Rolling On Floor Laughing.... ROFL
May 27 21:07:33 <sandstorm> like LOL
May 27 21:07:36 <dotblank> odd.. i seem to get a better signal in pr 1.2
May 27 21:07:42 <tuliobaars> oooh, thanks
May 27 21:07:47 <tuliobaars> ok, i got it
May 27 21:07:52 <asj_> ROFL is lauding way harder than LOL
May 27 21:07:55 <sandstorm> better signal from wifi ?
May 27 21:07:57 <dotblank> I never get 3g at my house and after the update I'm always getting it
May 27 21:08:00 <andre___> tuliobaars: as many typos as they have on their website I have problems to imagine that it's a serious company. plus what does "Brand: Nikon" mean? looks not trust-worthy at all to me
May 27 21:08:01 <sandstorm> or gsm line ?
May 27 21:08:19 <Dantonic> finally made it to the wiki
May 27 21:08:19 <sandstorm> hmm interesting point
May 27 21:08:26 <tuliobaars> whats typos? Brand: Nikon...why?
May 27 21:08:50 <dotblank> unless tmo upgraded my cell tower right when i flashed my device...I think i can attribute the enhancement to pr 1.2
May 27 21:09:01 <sandstorm> anyone experienced any significant battery life change comparing pr1.1.1 and pr1.2 ?
May 27 21:09:07 <dotblank> yes
May 27 21:09:12 <asj_> sandstorm: yes
May 27 21:09:18 <sandstorm> in a good way or bad ?
May 27 21:09:21 <tuliobaars> ohh, now i saw...brand nikon
May 27 21:09:30 <tuliobaars> but, what is typos?
May 27 21:09:30 <asj_> sandstorm: good, I saw a large increase.  subjective though
May 27 21:09:37 <DrGrov> yes, battery life is better right?
May 27 21:09:37 <sandstorm> hmm
May 27 21:09:41 <andre___> tuliobaars, typo = wrong spelling of words
May 27 21:09:57 <tuliobaars> ah, thanks...
May 27 21:09:58 <sandstorm> so maybe its the best news I've heard about pr1.2
May 27 21:10:25 <dotblank> works great with my grooveshark app :)
May 27 21:10:38 <sandstorm> because over than it's a very handful device, longer battery life makes it better with its cellphone function :)
May 27 21:10:46 <tuliobaars> should i buy it? i'm dying for a N900...
May 27 21:10:57 <dotblank> tuliobaars, do you like linux?
May 27 21:10:58 <asj_> sandstorm: I was web browsing this morning and it seemed faster too
May 27 21:11:08 <tuliobaars> a lot
May 27 21:11:22 <tuliobaars> i have an n810 and trying to install xubunntu!
May 27 21:11:23 <sandstorm> asj_: good news keep coming :)
May 27 21:11:29 <Dantonic> lol
May 27 21:11:31 <Dantonic> Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'
May 27 21:11:34 <Dantonic> wtf!
May 27 21:11:38 <pupnik> nothing would replace a n900 except a n810 plus cell-model
May 27 21:11:40 <tuliobaars> Xubuntu?
May 27 21:11:42 <pupnik> modem
May 27 21:11:42 <Dantonic> won't work for 64 bit?
May 27 21:11:45 <asj_> sandstorm: it's way less buggy than the prerelease I had access too. :)
May 27 21:11:47 <dotblank> tuliobaars, do you like ssh access to your phone and spending many hours tinkering with the device and constantly having to re-flash it becuase you contantly mess up?
May 27 21:11:51 <Dantonic> I have 9.10 but it's 64 bit
May 27 21:12:22 <sandstorm> asj_: 282 megabytes and going up, can't wait it coming :)
May 27 21:12:41 <asj_> sandstorm: it's a ~170 meg image....
May 27 21:12:50 <tuliobaars> i never had connect my n810 by ssh,  (i don't know how to, and yes...reflash at least 1 time per month
May 27 21:12:54 <Dantonic> well whatever
May 27 21:13:04 <Dantonic> not gonna be able to do this today
May 27 21:13:08 <sandstorm> it probably also dling nokia pc suite and updater updates as well :)
May 27 21:13:21 <asj_> sandstorm: oh god, Ovi Suite here you come...
May 27 21:13:34 <sandstorm> Ovi Suite compatibility ?
May 27 21:14:02 <asj_> sandstorm: sadly video calling I don't think works well, it's too dark.  To "hide" the front camera I think it's smoked so dark no light gets through...
May 27 21:14:04 <kirma> any idea if message sound could be disabled for group chats and left on for one-to-one chats?
May 27 21:14:16 <asj_> sandstorm: which isn't pr1.2 fault ;)
May 27 21:14:30 <sandstorm> hmm
May 27 21:14:39 <sandstorm> is Ovi Suite compatible with pr1.2 ?
May 27 21:14:59 <asj_> sandstorm: no clue, it breaks to many things for me so I don't install it
May 27 21:15:12 <sandstorm> ah that would be a killer news
May 27 21:15:15 <sandstorm> if it was so :D
May 27 21:15:22 * alterego gets back into Qt hacking
May 27 21:15:51 <pupnik> asj, better than transmitting pure noise
May 27 21:16:30 <asj_> sandstorm: I'm relatively pleased with pr1.2 tbh, I have a few problems, but I also changed devices at the same time so <shrug>
May 27 21:16:31 <zChris> Hey how is the community for maemo? Big? Productive? :)
May 27 21:16:34 <sandstorm> hmm I wonder what NSU is dling, its 310 mbs and going up..
May 27 21:16:49 <zChris> Im wondering if its "worth" getting a N900 or if you should wait
May 27 21:16:50 <asj_> sandstorm: the 1.7gig emmc ;)
May 27 21:16:58 <asj_> zChris: wait for what?
May 27 21:17:10 <sandstorm> asj_: what kind of problems? personal ones or general ones ?
May 27 21:17:21 <zChris> asj_: Either wait for MeeGo or get an Android or Iphone(not likekly)
May 27 21:17:27 <asj_> sandstorm: Nokia Messaging is broken for me
May 27 21:18:06 <sandstorm> asj_: ah is that for SMSing ? never used Nokia Messaging before.
May 27 21:18:20 <asj_> zChris: I wouldn't hold your breath on meego from nokia
May 27 21:18:26 <asj_> sandstorm: no, email
May 27 21:18:30 <sandstorm> hmm
May 27 21:18:34 <zChris> asj_: Reason being? :)
May 27 21:18:43 <asj_> zChris: you would die waiting?
May 27 21:18:59 <zChris> Now we dont want that :)
May 27 21:19:04 <sandstorm> asj_: is it because your e-mail provider?
May 27 21:19:09 <asj_> though I think the world record is like 30 minutes so that's not saying much
May 27 21:19:32 <tuliobaars> please, visit my NIT Blog and rate it: http://ttablet.blogspot.com
May 27 21:20:21 <asj_> sandstorm: email provider has imap, but Nokia Messaging gives you push notificiation speeds, low bw
May 27 21:20:46 <tuliobaars> so, is it good? i know that need more posts, but, whatever...
May 27 21:20:55 <sandstorm> asj_: hmm, tried thunderbird if it's available for maemo ?
May 27 21:21:01 <zChris> Now is maemo community big?
May 27 21:21:07 <zChris> :) Perhaps its a stupid question
May 27 21:21:20 <lcuk> anyone know where the Qtablet source is hiding - the one that seemed to work well on n810
May 27 21:21:24 <tuliobaars> the blog?....
May 27 21:21:40 <tuliobaars> i think you don't like it....
May 27 21:22:40 <asj_> sandstorm: I can't stand thunderbird on linux... ;)
May 27 21:22:45 <tuliobaars> OK. Now i'm sure!
May 27 21:24:02 <tuliobaars> last time: Anybody enterded on it?
May 27 21:24:33 <pupnik> i checked it out tuliobaars
May 27 21:24:46 <tuliobaars> ohh, thak you!
May 27 21:24:48 <wazd> Stskeeps: around? :)
May 27 21:24:53 <tuliobaars> the only one!
May 27 21:24:59 <tuliobaars> byebye
May 27 21:25:04 <sandstorm> asj_: I see, btw I got 356 mbs and still going up, I really wonder what it is, maybe the image is this big or I miss something.
May 27 21:25:37 <asj_> sandstorm: you're in the states? you have unlim bw no
May 27 21:25:39 <asj_> ?
May 27 21:26:20 <sandstorm> asj_: not in states, but I have unlimited bandwidth
May 27 21:26:52 <sandstorm> I had some maps from Ovi, can it be them maybe?
May 27 21:27:43 <sandstorm> it says: Downloading a new version of Nokia Software Updater.. still :|
May 27 21:28:15 <TheFaioli> Newbie question: If I use apt-get install pkgname, why isn't pkgname being listed as installed in pkg_config --list-all ?
May 27 21:29:11 <TheFaioli> (scratchbox)
May 27 21:30:06 <Shapeshifter> Mh
May 27 21:30:33 <Shapeshifter> I wonder why i just received an SMS from a random number stating: "mobile-login: 1234567" the numbers forming some sort of password.
May 27 21:31:40 <KenYoung> Are other people seeing extremely sluggish response times from the maemo.org site?
May 27 21:31:56 <jaska> wiki.maemo.org atleast
May 27 21:32:09 <TheFaioli> Shapeshifter: [guessing] a program which has a "continue on mobile" option, into which the user entered your mobile number by mistake.
May 27 21:32:34 <TheFaioli> maemo.org times out on me.
May 27 21:32:50 <zChris> same here
May 27 21:32:59 <sp3000> TheFaioli: if it's a -dev package that installs a .pc file somewhere useful it should -- of course the name isn't necessarily an exact match
May 27 21:33:11 <Hariainm> hello! can anybody answering me a question? reflashing the N900 keeps your contacts and messages, but what about the calling log?
May 27 21:33:16 <TheFaioli> sp3000: I use grep... no match...
May 27 21:34:32 <lcuk> TheFaioli, not all packages supply pkg_config config files
May 27 21:34:40 <CLabel> i just tested webgl with pr1.2
May 27 21:36:25 <TheFaioli> lcuk: Can I add it manually?
May 27 21:36:50 <lcuk> well which package is it for?
May 27 21:36:57 <lcuk> perhaps you could create them a .pc config file
May 27 21:37:03 <lcuk> and file a bug adding that as a patch
May 27 21:37:14 <lcuk> and helping explain where its meant to go and how it helps other devs using the lib
May 27 21:37:15 <lcuk> :)
May 27 21:37:51 <guysoft42> no meego for N810 right?
May 27 21:37:53 <TheFaioli> I'm trying to build conboy and it checks for several missing libs, which I managed to apt-get from the extras... and then it went on complaining :-)
May 27 21:38:19 <sandstorm> Nokia Update is at 440 mbs and still downloading something :|
May 27 21:38:20 <TheFaioli> lcuk: !
May 27 21:38:36 <TheFaioli> gotcha.
May 27 21:39:33 <lcuk> TheFaioli, if you were finding missing libs trying to build it
May 27 21:39:42 <lcuk> apt-get build-dep [thingyouwanttobuild]
May 27 21:40:12 <lcuk> it should bring in everything the developer remembered he needs for you to rebuild his program
May 27 21:40:34 <lcuk> if the app has made it to extras-devel, the chances are this should work
May 27 21:40:40 <lcuk> because its used by the autobuilder ;)
May 27 21:40:55 <TheFaioli> I need to add extras-devel to the sources.lst then
May 27 21:41:27 <alterego> Has anyone wrote a service which updates your IM status to what you're currently listening to?
May 27 21:41:59 <GAN900> alterego, not as far as I know.
May 27 21:41:59 <lcuk> TheFaioli, potentially, it should work same for -testing or proper extras too
May 27 21:42:00 <DrGrov> I am having issues to get Conversations Inbox widget to be properly displayed.
May 27 21:42:06 <lcuk> since promotion usually handles deps
May 27 21:42:13 <alterego> GAN900: cool, because I'm just hacking one together now ^.^
May 27 21:42:20 <TheFaioli> Proper extras were a no-go, it needs a -devel dependency.
May 27 21:42:43 <DrGrov> I tried to activate it, nothing happened so I removed it from Program manager and then installed it again but it doesn't show up at all. I rebooted as well just in case but still nothing visible of the Conversations Inbox widget. Anyone got any clues to why?
May 27 21:42:46 <lcuk> ok TheFaioli reasonable enough
May 27 21:43:53 <DrGrov> It is not being displayed in the 'Add widget' box....
May 27 21:43:54 <sandstorm> anybody know how many mbs does pr1.2 image take ?
May 27 21:44:58 <DrGrov> Anyone got any clues at all about the Conversations Inbox widget not showing up at all?
May 27 21:44:59 <TheFaioli> Hm, can't add extras-devel? Can't access keyring no such file or directory...
May 27 21:45:59 <Macer> droid incredible? is that like an iphone gsXtreme 4G ?
May 27 21:46:14 <TheFaioli> ah!
May 27 21:46:17 <TheFaioli> eureka!
May 27 21:46:38 <TheFaioli> Only apt-get update doesn't work, but build-dep does. Thanks!
May 27 21:47:16 <Macer> i need to hook my n900 up to a win pc and update this thing
May 27 21:47:19 <Macer> blah
May 27 21:49:39 <TheFaioli> So, apparently no need to file a .pc file bugfix in this case.
May 27 21:50:11 <TomaszD> zaheerm, ping
May 27 21:52:15 <Macer> heh
May 27 21:52:26 <DrGrov> It is mighty strange
May 27 21:52:48 <DrGrov> The Conversations Inbox Desktop Widget is showing now in the 'Add wiget' menu once I removed it....
May 27 21:56:16 <Macer> cuddy is gettig married
May 27 21:56:23 <wazd> can anybody please point me at PR 1.2 theme template please if it exists? :)
May 27 21:56:24 <Macer> poor broken hearted house
May 27 21:56:46 <Macer> is 1.2 a major update?
May 27 21:56:58 <lcuk> wazd, konttori_work or andrewfblack owuld be best to ask
May 27 21:57:01 <Macer> i mean is it a noticable difference ?
May 27 21:57:41 <lcuk> yes, it includes many bugfixes and speedups and optimisations and tweaks for usability
May 27 21:57:51 <Macer> im pondering the fact that i have to drag a monitor to the one win box i have to upgrade
May 27 21:57:59 <alterego> Is there a python method for converting encoded names for dbus objects?
May 27 21:58:07 <alterego> like foo_2dbar ?
May 27 21:58:29 <alterego> Where _2d gets replaced with it's proper character?
May 27 21:58:30 <lcuk> alterego, specialist, google would know better
May 27 21:58:48 <Macer> blah... let me dig up my netbook
May 27 21:59:00 <alterego> lcuk: yeah, I was simultaneously googling, just wondering as maemo is very dbus centric whether anyone here would have come across it ;)
May 27 21:59:21 <lcuk> sure
May 27 22:00:10 <MarLawN> ok, 1.2 here, something fannoying, if you're on a skype call (no video) you can't take a picture with the 5M pixel camera (on the back).
May 27 22:00:45 <alterego> lcuk: I can't even be bothered now, just gonna write my own ^.^
May 27 22:00:51 <lcuk> :D
May 27 22:01:04 <alterego> Nothing came up after the first couple of searches.
May 27 22:05:31 <sandstorm> okay, I am starting to become suspicious, Nokia Software Updater started updating itself and it has downloaded 600 mbs so far and keep going, is it normal ?
May 27 22:05:46 <alterego> Heh, 600 ...
May 27 22:05:48 <alterego> Erm ..
May 27 22:05:56 <alterego> I don't think that's normal, but I don't use windows.
May 27 22:06:16 <sandstorm> I wonder how I can figure out whats going on
May 27 22:09:07 <loufoque_> ~flashing
May 27 22:09:08 <infobot> i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 27 22:10:56 <sandstorm> I doubt flashing wiki has the proper info about the size
May 27 22:11:59 <SpeedEvil> Did you have lots of apps installed?
May 27 22:12:07 <djkrikke> What do you guys think about this post http://my.opera.com/yodude/blog/how-to-overclock-the-n900-to-a-relatively-safe-r-800mhz ?
May 27 22:12:17 <sandstorm> hm not really I just have 10-15 at max
May 27 22:12:25 <sandstorm> and the device is plugged in right now
May 27 22:12:38 <sandstorm> maybe thats why software updater dling so many files ?
May 27 22:13:11 <sandstorm> the biggest app I have is kmplayer with mplayer I guess
May 27 22:13:23 <sandstorm> 650mbs and going up btw
May 27 22:13:43 <SpeedEvil> Speaking personally - ir depends djkrikke.
May 27 22:13:56 <djkrikke> On what does it depend SpeedEvil ?
May 27 22:14:05 <SpeedEvil> how long do you intend to keep your n900?
May 27 22:14:08 <cehteh> can it be that the camera uses extensively much power?
May 27 22:14:13 <SpeedEvil> 6 months, or 5 years?
May 27 22:14:23 <djkrikke> SpeedEvil, wil it make such a big difference on lifetime?
May 27 22:14:27 <SpeedEvil> cehteh: The camera uses a fair bit of power, yes.
May 27 22:14:33 <sandstorm> in 5 years N900 will be a garbage
May 27 22:14:35 <sandstorm> for sure
May 27 22:14:37 <cehteh> i ran mbarcode before and on battery graph i have an almost vertical line downwards
May 27 22:14:50 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
May 27 22:15:14 <SpeedEvil> I have not run mbarcode to test.
May 27 22:15:29 <SpeedEvil> however - it will use about backlight + CPUmax + camera
May 27 22:15:44 <cehteh> yeah
May 27 22:16:22 <SpeedEvil> Which is ~600mA
May 27 22:16:33 <SpeedEvil> so a battery life of ~2 hours
May 27 22:17:02 <zChris> sandstorm: dont say that! Now you made me hesitate :P
May 27 22:17:28 <dmj726> ...Based on actual experience, I'd suggest a batter life of at least 3 when recording video.
May 27 22:17:34 <sandstorm> sorry for that :O
May 27 22:17:40 <zChris> On the other hand
May 27 22:17:45 <SpeedEvil> dmj726: Recording video is somewhat lighter.
May 27 22:17:46 <zChris> Atm i have a SEM p1i :)
May 27 22:17:55 <SpeedEvil> dmj726: The CPU isn't used all the time so much
May 27 22:18:20 <dmj726> well, it does need to display and encode the video
May 27 22:18:25 <SpeedEvil> sandstorm: Speaking personally, I'm likely to be keeping it at least 3 years, unless it breaks.
May 27 22:18:32 <dmj726> ...but that's hopefully on the dsp
May 27 22:18:32 <sandstorm> N900 is a beast atm so dont worry too much
May 27 22:18:38 <SpeedEvil> dmj726: The encoding of the video is not done on the CPU
May 27 22:18:40 <djkrikke> is the wiki really slow, or is it just me?
May 27 22:18:54 <sandstorm> SpeedEvil makes sense, sir.
May 27 22:19:26 <SpeedEvil> sandstorm: And replacing it if it breaks is not likely to happen.
May 27 22:19:36 <sandstorm> at least 2 is more sensible though
May 27 22:19:38 <SpeedEvil> So I'm very hesitant about overclocking.
May 27 22:19:47 <sandstorm> same here
May 27 22:20:01 <jaska> only thing id consider is undervolting, not sure how much that saves tho
May 27 22:20:06 <sandstorm> and I see oc'ing useless for my usage
May 27 22:20:11 <DrGrov> I keep loosing all my programs one after another
May 27 22:20:24 <DrGrov> I lost the 2G/3G/Dual switcher from the status area
May 27 22:20:35 <DrGrov> And I lost the WiFi Switcher.
May 27 22:20:39 <DrGrov> WTF is happening?
May 27 22:21:02 <sandstorm> dark side might be calling ? :)
May 27 22:21:13 <djkrikke> DrGrov: you're officially doomed
May 27 22:21:16 <djkrikke> the first n900 virus!!
May 27 22:21:30 <djkrikke> ...not
May 27 22:22:26 <sandstorm> 700mbs omg...
May 27 22:22:27 <DrGrov> at least after a reinstall of the 2G/3G/Dual switcher and WiFi Switcher and reboot later I got the items back
May 27 22:22:39 <DrGrov> My heart can't take this stress
May 27 22:23:19 <alterego> lcuk: It's not pretty, but: http://pastie.org/980911
May 27 22:23:34 <alterego> I'm sure there's a better way of doing it :/
May 27 22:29:19 <djkrikke> are there any tools yet too send text message from the computer?
May 27 22:29:20 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 27 22:29:28 <timeless_mbp> buzz.google.com doesn't support the n900
May 27 22:30:24 * pupnik types a text message
May 27 22:30:30 <pigeon> what about that google buzz client?
May 27 22:36:58 <joker_89> hi
May 27 22:37:04 <joker_89> anyone knows the SYNCML concepts?
May 27 22:37:12 <loufoque_> I just upgraded by flashing the 1.2 UK image, but now 3G doesn't work anymore, I'm only on 2G
May 27 22:37:15 <loufoque_> I'm with vodafone
May 27 22:42:32 <cehteh> that will safe you some battery and a shitload of money :P
May 27 22:44:02 <pupnik> mwheheh
May 27 22:44:30 <pupnik> i am getting 2 4000mAh batteries
May 27 22:44:40 <djkrikke> anyone else noticed that from 1.2 on, the browser scroll behavior changed?
May 27 22:44:51 <pupnik> for ALL DAY computing
May 27 22:45:00 <djkrikke> pupnik: which ones?
May 27 22:45:22 <pupnik> openpandora ones :P
May 27 22:45:24 <reggna> loufoque_: If you have used the 2G/3G/Dual switcher, and left it on 2G when flashing, you will need to install it again to switch back.
May 27 22:46:01 <djkrikke> lol pupnik, do they work with the n900?
May 27 22:46:25 <loufoque_> reggna: shouldn't flashing reset everything!?
May 27 22:48:37 <Dantonic> damn it is the website down?
May 27 22:48:45 <pupnik> djkrikke: nope, but maybe they wikll work with meego
May 27 22:48:56 <Dantonic> has anyone successfully installed PR 1.2 from Ubuntu?
May 27 22:48:58 <djkrikke> Dantonic: it's really slow in here
May 27 22:49:14 <reggna> Dantonic: I have, yes.
May 27 22:49:16 <Dantonic> I just want to install 1.2 Sigh
May 27 22:49:22 <Dantonic> what installer did you download?
May 27 22:49:26 <lcuk> Dantonic, Ubuntu released PR1.2 as well?
May 27 22:49:36 <Dantonic> oh do you have 32 bit ubuntu?
May 27 22:49:44 <loufoque_> Dantonic: I did
May 27 22:49:49 <Dantonic> lcuk I just mean using ubuntu to flash the N900
May 27 22:49:55 <lcuk> 32b ubuntu + flasher works hppily from my thinkpad
May 27 22:50:04 <Dantonic> ok I have 64bit and I cant install it
May 27 22:50:08 <reggna> Dantonic: Yes, 32 bit, using flasher-3.5 and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
May 27 22:50:17 <Dantonic> Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'
May 27 22:50:22 <Dantonic> :(
May 27 22:50:22 <reggna> lcuk: My thinkpad to. :)
May 27 22:50:25 <Dantonic> any way around t?
May 27 22:50:26 <Dantonic> it*
May 27 22:50:29 <zChris> Are there any good adventure games for N900 ?
May 27 22:50:31 <reggna> *o
May 27 22:50:38 <lcuk> zChris, yeah, maemo
May 27 22:50:56 <Dantonic> any way to install on 64 bit?
May 27 22:50:56 <zChris> lcuk: hmm?
May 27 22:51:05 <loufoque_> how do you put the browser in portrait mode?
May 27 22:51:07 <lcuk> people go raiding to level up
May 27 22:51:12 <loufoque_> ctrl+shift+O doesn't seem to work
May 27 22:51:13 <DrGrov> Why does everything have to be such a PITA after the PR 1.2 upgrade? God damn this
May 27 22:51:14 <lcuk> 12 man raids to make new widgets
May 27 22:51:27 <zChris> Very helpfull. And VERY funny too lcuk
May 27 22:51:43 <lcuk> zChris, this channel is the MMORPG lobby ;)
May 27 22:52:47 <loufoque_> ok you need to select "enable rotation" in the settings
May 27 22:53:49 <BCMM> loufoque_: yeah, they made a GUI for portrait mode now
May 27 22:53:53 <BCMM> you even get a back button
May 27 22:54:11 <BCMM> (talking of which, very glad there is a proper back button now)
May 27 22:54:33 <djkrikke> they'd better fix the dropped call problem
May 27 22:55:13 <loufoque_> how do I completely reset the phone? even after flashing it it still has my IM account settings
May 27 22:55:32 <loufoque_> and my contacts
May 27 22:56:59 <reggna> loufoque_: Maybe, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32993  ?
May 27 22:58:02 <loufoque_> ok so I need to flash the eMMC as well
May 27 23:03:30 <Macer> wow this update is a pain
May 27 23:03:41 <Macer> it has to reinstall all the apps
May 27 23:04:10 <Macer> is there bt kb support now? :)
May 27 23:04:21 <Macer> something a little more... usable?
May 27 23:05:23 <pupnik> i could imagine going back to the ThinkOutside Stowaway
May 27 23:05:38 <Macer> heh
May 27 23:05:46 <Macer> my su8w isnt too bad
May 27 23:05:57 <Macer> although it is more so meangt for an n95
May 27 23:06:48 <zChris> It will be interesting too see if there will be an "standard" OS in the future
May 27 23:06:55 <pupnik> yes, but third row is shifted too far to the left
May 27 23:07:06 <pupnik> otherwise nice unit
May 27 23:13:53 <budfive> anybody know if there's a setting to adjust the direction of the volume rocker? Since PR1.2 it now works backwards in landscape mode (and correctly in portrait mode)
May 27 23:13:53 <opdf2> man youtube sucks on 1.2
May 27 23:14:54 <Macer> grr
May 27 23:14:59 <Macer> damnit
May 27 23:15:13 <Macer> bt kb stopped working after the update
May 27 23:16:07 <pupnik> file bugs
May 27 23:16:15 <Macer> now i have to go through the steps of getting it going
May 27 23:16:33 <Macer> pupnik: it would more likely be an enhancement than a bug
May 27 23:16:58 <Macer> too bad. my n810 worked with my NOKIA su8w
May 27 23:17:23 <Macer> ;)
May 27 23:17:38 <Macer> i will fix it later i suppose
May 27 23:18:15 <Macer> let me see what the update gives me
May 27 23:18:45 <pupnik> i am just going to never reboot
May 27 23:19:12 <Macer> haha
May 27 23:19:27 <Macer> hm. no portrait media player
May 27 23:19:36 <Macer> :( was hoping for that
May 27 23:19:47 <Macer> feels more naturl than the landscape
May 27 23:20:07 <Macer> since the jack is on the "right"
May 27 23:20:48 <pupnik> not a bad idea
May 27 23:21:16 <pupnik> q
May 27 23:28:57 <Macer> portrait browsing works better :)
May 27 23:29:16 <pupnik> wow .. why
May 27 23:33:45 <Macer> maybe not
May 27 23:33:53 <Macer> no menu in portrait mode
May 27 23:33:56 <Macer> heh
May 27 23:34:03 <Macer> ah well.. bbl
May 27 23:34:07 <pupnik> ttyl
May 27 23:37:36 <Macer> hey
May 27 23:37:51 <Macer> is the fm transmitter an actual transmitter??
May 27 23:38:01 <Macer> like it sends out on an fm freq?
May 27 23:38:18 <Macer> to play music in your car or something?
May 27 23:38:33 <Termana> Macer, what else is an FM TRANSMITTER suppose to be?
May 27 23:38:36 <djdm> Yes, it  does
May 27 23:38:56 <Macer> heh
May 27 23:39:08 <Macer> i just thought they got the word wrong ;)
May 27 23:39:14 <djdm> Except your calls
May 27 23:39:18 <Macer> fins :-P
May 27 23:39:29 <Macer> wow thats awesome
May 27 23:39:44 <Macer> this whole time i could have been using that! haha
May 27 23:39:47 <djdm> No, I think they can write :)  FM radio is fine too if you plug in some headphones for an antenna
May 27 23:39:59 <Macer> haha
May 27 23:40:06 <Macer> didnt say they couldnt write
May 27 23:40:23 <pupnik> ymmv with interference
May 27 23:40:27 <Macer> the word could have been confused in translation ;)
May 27 23:40:52 <djdm> My apologies :)
May 27 23:40:52 <Macer> i saw "transmitter" and was like... no way
May 27 23:40:54 <Macer> haha
May 27 23:42:33 <djdm> As a matter of fact, mine provided music for a party at my house last weekend (streaming from a DLNA server)
May 27 23:43:13 <Macer> well.. if they add easy bt kb support and cups and a portrait media player... it is win
May 27 23:43:39 <Macer> but i am not seeing a huge difference in 1.2
May 27 23:43:49 <Macer> im sure a lot under the hood has changed
May 27 23:43:49 <pupnik> check changelog
May 27 23:44:25 <djdm> I normally use the Media Player one-handed with no problems
May 27 23:44:50 <Macer> djdm: yeah.. but the way you pull it out the pocket leaves a portrait mode desired
May 27 23:45:15 <Macer> jack is kind of in the way when landscape
May 27 23:46:23 <Macer> pupnik: where is the changelog?
May 27 23:46:56 <Macer> internal error application web closed?
May 27 23:46:59 <Macer> wtf?
May 27 23:47:17 <Macer> maybe a fluke
May 27 23:47:50 <Macer> why does it seem like microb is running sluggish?
May 27 23:48:13 <asj> you're trying to load a web page with 534 flash apps?
May 27 23:48:23 <pupnik> how did you update Macer
May 27 23:48:36 <Macer> pupnik: on a windows pc
May 27 23:48:41 <Macer> with the nokia updater
May 27 23:48:49 <Macer> then restored from a backup
May 27 23:49:14 <Macer> is maemo.org not working for anybody else?
May 27 23:49:42 <jaska> slowly, ~10s to load a wiki page
May 27 23:49:51 <djdm> Reading it at the moment - seems fine
May 27 23:50:15 <Macer> doesnt seem to be working on my n900
May 27 23:51:53 <Macer> other pages are acting strange too
May 27 23:52:59 <Macer> but maemo.org seems messed up
May 27 23:54:03 <Macer> http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html
May 27 23:54:07 <Macer> oops
May 27 23:57:46 <Macer> how do you initialize a video call?
May 27 23:57:55 <Macer> i dont see the option anywhere
May 28 00:06:14 <tripzero> ~flashing
May 28 00:06:15 <infobot> [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 28 00:16:03 <tripzero> so this doesn't make sense to me.  In the context of flashing your n900:
May 28 00:16:06 <tripzero> "Turn off your device (make sure you unplug the charger or else the device will not power down completely. You can plug the device back into power once it starts flashing)."
May 28 00:16:25 <tripzero> unplug it, turn it off, start flashing, plug it back in?
May 28 00:16:49 <Macer> haha
May 28 00:16:58 <Macer> i just ran the nokia updater
May 28 00:17:06 <Macer> with the phone on ;)
May 28 00:17:25 <Macer> file manager needs smb support :)
May 28 00:17:31 <Macer> with login support
May 28 00:19:55 <tripzero> Macer, update manager wouldn't install it for unknown reasons
May 28 00:19:59 <tripzero> :(
May 28 00:21:19 <Macer> in windows? wtf?
May 28 00:21:21 <Macer> heh
May 28 00:21:36 <Macer> i was more pissed off that an ota update needed a wire
May 28 00:21:40 <Macer> ;)
May 28 00:21:54 <Macer> that isnt very over the air now is it?
May 28 00:23:54 <tripzero> no
May 28 00:23:56 <tripzero> hehe
May 28 00:24:02 <tripzero> we;;. ot
May 28 00:24:04 <tripzero> s bpptomg
May 28 00:24:28 <tripzero> err, at least its booting
May 28 00:24:46 <Macer> then people wonder why i was confused about the fm transmitter :)
May 28 00:28:06 <microlith> I wonder what is in the application manager logs of people who can't update directly on the device
May 28 00:28:12 <microlith> there's gotta be something
May 28 00:31:50 <tripzero> yay, update successful
May 28 00:31:59 * tripzero shakes hands of world
May 28 00:33:29 * SpeedEvil ponders reporting a bug.
May 28 00:33:55 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure how sane 'Compile kernel with -j4 in background' is as a step to reproduce.
May 28 00:34:17 <SpeedEvil> Camera can flash and take a picture after the flash if very loaded.
May 28 00:34:26 <SpeedEvil> OTOH - I _love_ the new night mode
May 28 00:34:53 <SpeedEvil> It seemingly slows the shutter to ~1/5th s or so.
May 28 00:39:40 <GAN900> andre900, you still here?
May 28 00:40:34 <opdf2> how do u reset the Internet Radio list?
May 28 00:44:30 <opdf2> It is stored in .mafw.db
May 28 00:45:29 <pigeon> with the n900 (ovi) map application, can you download maps for it so it will work offline?
May 28 00:45:55 <opdf2> "/home/user/.mafw.db" Anyone wanna send me their PR 1.2 original?
May 28 00:47:27 <rm_you> So, I think the problem with my current N900 is that it doesn't detect the battery correctly and refuses to charge
May 28 00:47:55 <opdf2> oo nm its in a backup
May 28 00:53:36 <ShadowJK> rm_you, if it's any help, my N810 refused to charge when only + and - pins made contact, the third pin didn't and it refused to charge
May 28 00:53:57 <rm_you> hrmrm....
May 28 00:54:54 <ShadowJK> lshal | grep battery
May 28 00:55:11 <ShadowJK> if reporting.design is 0 then I'd say third pin
May 28 00:55:12 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, crap, still here?
May 28 00:55:22 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: yep
May 28 00:55:35 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, cool, one sec.
May 28 00:56:29 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, can you add yourself to this page?
May 28 00:56:35 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue
May 28 00:56:58 <GeneralAntilles> (Not loading here, of course)
May 28 00:57:14 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: i'm there actually
May 28 00:57:24 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, are you? Good.
May 28 00:57:24 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: as I remember :)
May 28 00:57:41 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, I've got some traction going on the queue, just wanted to make sure you were on there (haven't actually checked).
May 28 00:57:59 <sp3000> GeneralAntilles: see under normal load that would be a rhetorical question ;)
May 28 00:58:06 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: VDVsx forced me to sign in :)
May 28 00:58:17 <wazd> what's wrong with maemo.org btw?
May 28 00:58:41 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, well, I'm gonna draft an email and collect information from everybody to forward on to Quim so he can start shipping them out.
May 28 00:58:57 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, did you see my message from the other day?
May 28 00:59:04 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: awesome
May 28 01:01:30 <rm_you> wtf how do i make a | in the terminal
May 28 01:01:40 <toresbe> you press |
May 28 01:01:50 <rm_you> ... where us that key, lol
May 28 01:02:09 <sp3000> GeneralAntilles: something about bugs?
May 28 01:02:50 <ShadowJK> blue fn and sym to bring up symbol menu
May 28 01:02:52 <SpeedEvil> GeneralAntilles: added.
May 28 01:03:37 <sp3000> yeah that must be it
May 28 01:03:40 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: btw, AndrewFBlack was trying to ask Quim if he can send his device to me. but I guess he has failed :)
May 28 01:04:31 <rm_you> ShadowJK: pressing that key combo does nothing
May 28 01:04:55 <rm_you> actually apparently none of the keys do anything besides letters
May 28 01:05:09 <rm_you> can't type numbers....
May 28 01:05:18 <rm_you> arrow keys don't work except the left one
May 28 01:05:21 <rm_you> wtf
May 28 01:05:25 <ShadowJK> heh
May 28 01:05:34 <ShadowJK> hal-device bme
May 28 01:05:40 <asj> rm_you: do you have ctrl pressed?
May 28 01:05:48 <ShadowJK> though you'll have fun typing -
May 28 01:05:55 <rm_you> tab got it
May 28 01:05:56 <rm_you> :P
May 28 01:06:20 <rm_you> battery.reporting.design = 1
May 28 01:07:10 <rm_you> can you pastebin the output of that command on your device?
May 28 01:07:27 <rm_you> i can't copy/paste mine out because ctrl doesnt work and they removed the menu option for copy
May 28 01:07:38 <rm_you> and can't out it to a file cause i can't type symbols
May 28 01:08:43 <rm_you> ok now NONE of the keys work
May 28 01:09:56 <ShadowJK> ctrl-c in terminal doesnt copy anyway...
May 28 01:10:28 <rm_you> HA, got cirtual keyboard to work
May 28 01:10:31 <rm_you> *virtual
May 28 01:10:33 <ShadowJK> combinations of ctrl-s and ctrl-q in terminal would freeze it, if ypu were randomly pressing stuff..
May 28 01:10:39 <SpeedEvil> rm_you: slect the pointer
May 28 01:10:51 <SpeedEvil> rm_you: then you can select stuff, and then copy appeard
May 28 01:10:52 <SpeedEvil> s
May 28 01:10:53 <redeeman> any news on restoring the virtual keyboard from pr 1.1.1?
May 28 01:10:59 <ponyofdeath> hi, anyone else having issues with the phone screen orientatioin after pr1.2
May 28 01:12:12 <ShadowJK> Anyway, 1 shows n900 isn't reading the battery capacity right, which is probably why it refuses to charge
May 28 01:15:31 <rm_you> battery.reporting.design = 1 <--- not right?
May 28 01:15:31 <rm_you> hrm
May 28 01:16:36 <SpeedEvil> http://pastebin.ca/1873192
May 28 01:16:38 <SpeedEvil> see rm_you
May 28 01:17:19 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, yeah, was just thanking you for the fast turnaround.
May 28 01:17:23 <rm_you> mine is...
May 28 01:18:13 <sp3000> yeah I was monitoring for any interesting fallout from release
May 28 01:18:18 * sp3000 &
May 28 01:19:36 <rm_you> SpeedEvil: mine: http://pastebin.ca/1873193
May 28 01:20:00 <rm_you> since i can't copy/paste or get anything off device, i just edited your post and typed in the changes >_<
May 28 01:20:09 <rm_you> is my device fucked?
May 28 01:20:14 <SpeedEvil>   battery.voltage.design = 9999  (0x270f)  (int)
May 28 01:20:18 <SpeedEvil> looks exciting.
May 28 01:20:22 <rm_you> <_<
May 28 01:20:33 <SpeedEvil> But practically - it looks like it's not actually detecting the battery at all.
May 28 01:20:41 <rm_you> <_<
May 28 01:20:46 <rm_you> thoughts?
May 28 01:20:46 <SpeedEvil> I assume you don't have a spare battery?
May 28 01:20:50 <rm_you> i do
May 28 01:20:58 <rm_you> it exhibits the same symptoms
May 28 01:21:00 <SpeedEvil> Does it do the same thing?
May 28 01:21:00 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 28 01:21:01 <rm_you> exactly.
May 28 01:21:08 <SpeedEvil> I would first try flashing.
May 28 01:21:09 <rm_you> so i could switch it and check again
May 28 01:21:12 <rm_you> just did
May 28 01:21:15 <SpeedEvil> In case it's a screwed BME
May 28 01:21:17 <rm_you> flashed PR1.2 and eMMC last night
May 28 01:21:20 <SpeedEvil> Ok - prolly not that.
May 28 01:21:23 <rm_you> like four times
May 28 01:21:26 <SpeedEvil> Does it actually charge?
May 28 01:21:29 <rm_you> it was dead before then.
May 28 01:21:31 <SpeedEvil> And was it doing this before?
May 28 01:21:32 <rm_you> no it does not.
May 28 01:21:34 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 28 01:21:49 <SpeedEvil> I would return it for warranty service.
May 28 01:21:50 <rm_you> i was listening to pandora one day and it just turned off
May 28 01:21:53 <rm_you> and wouldnt turn back on
May 28 01:21:56 <rm_you> .... I got it from Quim
May 28 01:21:57 <rm_you> <_<
May 28 01:21:59 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 28 01:22:16 <rm_you> Second of the devices I got from him to fail
May 28 01:22:30 <rm_you> first one was a USB port catastrophe ALA Texrat
May 28 01:22:36 <rm_you> and so many others...
May 28 01:22:40 <rm_you> now this :/
May 28 01:23:42 <SpeedEvil> rm_you: I would next try qkwv.com/bq.tar - this is ShadowJK's script for monitoring battery state - it's really a tar.gz
May 28 01:23:57 <rm_you> k
May 28 01:24:02 <SpeedEvil> it has two files - copy to /root - and run it
May 28 01:24:40 <rm_you> ok rebooted and some of keyboard works
May 28 01:25:00 <rm_you> tried to type wget and got "wge", the "t" key doesnt appear to work
May 28 01:25:05 <SpeedEvil> The script looks like http://pastebin.ca/1873195
May 28 01:25:06 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 28 01:25:08 <SpeedEvil> ok -
May 28 01:25:22 <SpeedEvil> In that case, it sounds like you've got major hardware screwage going on.
May 28 01:25:39 <SpeedEvil> And it's more than just a battery or software issue.
May 28 01:25:56 <SpeedEvil> I would wonder about mechanical damage, or liquid ingress.
May 28 01:26:11 <opdf2> hmm u need to remove sim before update?
May 28 01:26:27 <rm_you> zero liquid damage
May 28 01:26:39 <rm_you> mechanical maybe? but dunno HOW
May 28 01:26:46 <rm_you> i didn't ever drop it
May 28 01:26:48 <SpeedEvil> opdf2: I diddn't - some have reported issues.
May 28 01:26:56 <SpeedEvil> rm_you: Might it have been dropped before though.
May 28 01:27:06 <SpeedEvil> Also - random stuff just happens.
May 28 01:27:08 <rm_you> when i got it from Quim it was NIB
May 28 01:27:20 <opdf2> SpeedEvil: � are the issues not being able to install it? Or problems in 1.2?
May 28 01:27:33 <rm_you> at least, it had all the plastic shielding bits on that i had to peel off
May 28 01:27:43 <SpeedEvil> opdf2: Some have reported wiping of SIMs and microSDs.
May 28 01:27:45 <rm_you> :(
May 28 01:27:51 <opdf2> geez
May 28 01:27:51 <SpeedEvil> opdf2: however - it's worked for most peopel.
May 28 01:27:52 <rm_you> i guess i'll just tell Quim this one is broken too
May 28 01:27:59 <rm_you> and I'll just send them both back to him
May 28 01:28:06 <SpeedEvil> opdf2: The vast majority of people.
May 28 01:28:09 <SpeedEvil> rm_you: :/
May 28 01:28:26 <rm_you> at least it broke in a completely different way
May 28 01:28:37 <rm_you> so hopefully he doesn't think I'm destroying them on purpose <_<
May 28 01:28:42 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 28 01:28:54 * rm_you sighs
May 28 01:29:07 <rm_you> back to G1
May 28 01:29:11 <SpeedEvil> :/
May 28 01:29:11 <rm_you> again.
May 28 01:29:37 <SpeedEvil> I would try resoldering the USB - but I have a soldering iron, and I'm not afraid to use it.
May 28 01:30:38 <spectre-> pr1.2 is awesome
May 28 01:30:39 <rm_you> heh
May 28 01:30:48 <spectre-> :D
May 28 01:30:54 <rm_you> i could ship you my old n900 (the one with the USB that broke off) :P
May 28 01:31:19 <rm_you> the hardware in THAT one still works great
May 28 01:31:23 <rm_you> besides the USB thing
May 28 01:32:09 <ShadowJK> rm_you, reporting.design is supposed to be closer to 1320 than 0 ;)
May 28 01:32:19 <rm_you> lol yes i would imagine
May 28 01:32:29 <ShadowJK> 1000-1300 is reasonable with stock battery
May 28 01:32:58 <SpeedEvil> rm_you: That would be good - but I don't know how that'd work.
May 28 01:32:58 <rm_you> so apparently besides it not correctly reading the battery, the keyboard is also failing
May 28 01:33:37 <SpeedEvil> rm_you: I can't off-hand think of any simple commonality between parts of the keyboard, and the battery charging. The keyboard is just connected to a bunch of IO pins.
May 28 01:33:51 <rm_you> T_T
May 28 01:34:03 <ShadowJK> hm, gaia has the battery detection stuff. doesn't it also handle keyboard matrix or am I misremembering?
May 28 01:34:07 <rm_you> could it have gotten a surge or something while charging?
May 28 01:34:16 <rm_you> or, do DC converters catch those and just explode
May 28 01:34:17 <rm_you> lol
May 28 01:35:02 <ShadowJK> well it's different components that do charge
May 28 01:35:49 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Gaia has some ADCs that hook to the battery I think.
May 28 01:36:09 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: As does the cellmo. But I'm not really sure what bme is reading.
May 28 01:36:18 <ShadowJK> Gaia does battery detection, bq24500 does battery charging, bq27200 does battery "fuel gauge" measurements, and then stuff is connected to Cellmodem side too..
May 28 01:36:19 <SpeedEvil> It seemed to be reading gaia ADCs.
May 28 01:37:27 <ShadowJK> yeah
May 28 01:38:43 <zChris> mameo.org times out for me :/
May 28 01:39:34 <Rolexde>  :D
May 28 01:39:41 <SpeedEvil> wfm
May 28 01:39:53 <Rolexde> www.motherless.com
May 28 01:40:35 <SpeedEvil> Ah - I forgot about spammers.
May 28 01:40:40 <SpeedEvil> How delightful.
May 28 01:43:52 <swc|666> ./0wnit.py www.motherless.com -p80 -T Insane --shellcode=all --include="nginx-0day"
May 28 01:43:55 <swc|666> oops, ww
May 28 01:43:56 <swc|666> :p
May 28 01:46:21 <Macer> so
May 28 01:46:32 <Macer> how is koffice coming along for maemo?
May 28 01:51:33 <Macer> wow
May 28 01:51:50 * microlith wonders what's with Fedora's insistence on LVM volumes
May 28 01:53:03 <Macer> if only palm really had a 3D holographic projecting phone
May 28 01:53:25 <Macer> microlith: it is linux' funny way of pretending they have zfs :)
May 28 01:54:22 <spectre-> like in freenas?
May 28 01:54:40 <spectre-> ;)
May 28 01:55:20 <Macer> hehe
May 28 01:55:45 <Macer> maybe linux distros should just use zfs
May 28 01:55:48 <Macer> :)
May 28 02:03:48 <b-man> today was terrible - had 3 power serges during a sever thunderstorm todya because of lightening :(
May 28 02:03:59 <b-man> *today
May 28 02:04:39 <SpeedEvil> My n900 got hit by lightening. It went gray.
May 28 02:05:01 <rm_you> now is it sentient, evil, bent on taking over the world, and ruggedly handsom?
May 28 02:05:22 <spectre-> why does the fm transmitter only do odd frequencies?
May 28 02:08:00 <b-man> there were at least 4 or 5 lightening strikes from within 400 meters from my house lol
May 28 02:08:23 <b-man> it got bad xD
May 28 02:08:38 <rm_you> because radios only tune to odd frequencies?
May 28 02:08:40 <b-man> even my dad's car got f*cked up
May 28 02:10:11 <spectre-> ...
May 28 02:10:35 <spectre-> depends on where you are in the world :)
May 28 02:10:44 <rm_you> what country are you in? :P
May 28 02:11:16 <arachnist> 041108 [fnode] !--        host | ~b-man17@pool-70-106-220-48.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net
May 28 02:11:19 <spectre-> one of the most well known radio stations here is 88.8
May 28 02:11:22 <arachnist> my guess is, usa
May 28 02:11:31 <rm_you> nah, he can't be USA
May 28 02:11:36 <spectre-> uganda
May 28 02:11:42 <rm_you> hrm
May 28 02:11:59 <rm_you> well, craziness
May 28 02:12:01 <GeneralAntilles> b-man, I take it you don't get thunderstorms frequently there? :P
May 28 02:12:04 <spectre-> but i've been to plenty of places that do even numbers as well
May 28 02:12:15 <spectre-> also, lower frequencies are common in lots of places too
May 28 02:12:22 <rm_you> yeah
May 28 02:12:28 <rm_you> in US it's due to FCC regulations <_<
May 28 02:12:31 <spectre-> like sub 88 range
May 28 02:12:47 <spectre-> ye
May 28 02:12:52 <spectre-> ah
May 28 02:13:12 <spectre-> i wonder if the world edition firmware does other frequencies
May 28 02:13:20 <rm_you> also, we have single radio stations that would cover your entire country
May 28 02:13:34 <rm_you> and they are single city based
May 28 02:13:40 <rm_you> sooo
May 28 02:13:40 <spectre-> well, i'm from the us :p
May 28 02:13:43 <rm_you> that could be why :P
May 28 02:13:48 <spectre-> just living over here
May 28 02:13:58 <rm_you> lol k then you know what i'm talking about :P
May 28 02:14:08 <spectre-> so, i'm aware :p
May 28 02:14:30 <spectre-> nah, i think it's the fcc thing
May 28 02:14:30 <rm_you> it's probably an issue with channels bleeding together in the major cities
May 28 02:14:36 <spectre-> and this is usa firmware
May 28 02:14:37 <rm_you> since the transmitters are so powerdul
May 28 02:14:41 <rm_you> *powerful
May 28 02:14:56 <spectre-> anyone here using world edition firmware?
May 28 02:15:15 <spectre-> yeah thats the tough thing here
May 28 02:15:20 <spectre-> no regulation
May 28 02:15:24 <rm_you> oooooo
May 28 02:15:28 <spectre-> so your transmitting fm fine here
May 28 02:15:35 <spectre-> drive down the road and b�
May 28 02:15:37 <spectre-> bzzzzz
May 28 02:15:40 <spectre-> interference
May 28 02:15:40 <rm_you> Pirate radio!
May 28 02:15:41 <rm_you> win
May 28 02:15:45 <spectre-> haha yeah
May 28 02:16:06 <rm_you> I always wanted to start a pirate radio station in the US
May 28 02:16:10 <rm_you> it's tricksy tho
May 28 02:16:17 <rm_you> but not too expensive
May 28 02:16:23 <spectre-> i like the new 'hold' the button feature in 1.2
May 28 02:16:25 <rm_you> setup costs are like $2000
May 28 02:16:35 <spectre-> makes typing ip's hella easier
May 28 02:16:44 <rm_you> can get all the equipment you need from Radio Free Berkely :P
May 28 02:16:56 <spectre-> well, you can get some powerful transmitters for around 200
May 28 02:16:56 <rm_you> hrm
May 28 02:17:05 <spectre-> that'd do your neighborhood
May 28 02:17:08 <rm_you> would love to have a device with a working keyboard to try that on :P
May 28 02:17:15 <spectre-> maybe a bit more $ but not much
May 28 02:17:21 <spectre-> kits though
May 28 02:17:35 <rm_you> I want a good distance in the city
May 28 02:17:40 <rm_you> not just three blocks
May 28 02:17:46 <spectre-> i was going to build one into my car at one point
May 28 02:17:58 <spectre-> so i could harass other drivers in traffic
May 28 02:18:02 <rm_you> haha
May 28 02:18:05 <spectre-> by overriding the signal they were on
May 28 02:18:14 <spectre-> with something obscene
May 28 02:18:17 <rm_you> if they were being annoying? :P
May 28 02:18:25 <rm_you> like pumping rap music at obscene volume?
May 28 02:18:35 <spectre-> haha yeah exactly
May 28 02:18:39 <rm_you> replace it with Haddaway :P
May 28 02:18:44 <spectre-> switch em to backstreet boys real quick
May 28 02:18:44 <rm_you> or rickroll them
May 28 02:19:15 <spectre-> anyway, gotta crash
May 28 02:19:24 <spectre-> 4am here in rwanda (visiting)
May 28 02:19:27 <SpeedEvil> I'd love to be able to tweak the buttons.
May 28 02:19:33 <rm_you> kk night
May 28 02:19:35 <spectre-> later :D
May 28 02:19:38 <SpeedEvil> I want to drop the 'symbol' delay to 200ms or so
May 28 02:39:32 <jaem> 'evening...
May 28 02:39:58 <jaem> Has anyone tried out the remote debugging feature of the beta SDK with the N900 yet?
May 28 02:48:25 <LiraNuna> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bV-zoiHKwc
May 28 02:48:30 <LiraNuna> oh em gee portrait moed
May 28 02:48:33 <LiraNuna> ;P
May 28 02:51:23 <jaem> LiraNuna, is that a video of portrait mode /other/ than the many that sprung up a few months ago when someone's phone glitched?
May 28 02:51:32 <LiraNuna> yes
May 28 02:51:41 <jaem> LiraNuna, hmm... I will check it out, then
May 28 02:51:42 <LiraNuna> it's a joke though, it's from Nokia R&D
May 28 02:51:59 <LiraNuna> maybe it shows Nokia's interest in portrait mode
May 28 02:52:28 <jaem> darn you, Flash... :/
May 28 02:52:35 <jaem> no sound... it happens.
May 28 02:52:49 <LiraNuna> sound is just music
May 28 02:53:38 <jaem> Ah, and it locked up FF. :S
May 28 02:55:05 <jaem> wow... the first ~40s pegged the cheesometer... I think I'll skip it.
May 28 02:55:20 <jaem> Also, that's an interesting Maemo UI :P
May 28 02:56:27 <jaem> It reminds me of watching Caprica (the BSG spin-off), in which all the mob guys use the same model of cheap dumbphone as I'm currently stuck with - except the UI is much shinier, and probably wouldn't even run on that hardware.
May 28 02:56:41 <jaem> What would we do without CG, eh?
May 28 02:58:17 <microlith> man, I hope MeeGo isn't as outright terrible as Fedora
May 28 02:58:46 <jaem> microlith, I doubt it, since it isn't Fedora
May 28 02:59:33 <jaem> Didn't Moblin have a big announcement some while before the MeeGo press release saying that they were not using Fedora as an upstream anymore?
May 28 02:59:49 <microlith> don't recall
May 28 02:59:53 <microlith> but that's a good thing
May 28 03:00:05 <microlith> I keep forgetting that redhat is what drove me away from linux
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