**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 28 03:00:14 2010 May 28 03:00:14 microlith, I'm pretty sure that I saw something to that effect. May 28 03:00:34 I don't have any opinion on the matter, besides Fedora not being my preference. May 28 03:00:46 I've never used it long enough to get a feel for it. May 28 03:01:20 I suppose I'm spoiled by ubuntu May 28 03:01:26 Personally, I'll be happy to have a phone (and other things?) that runs Linux; which distro is secondary except from a design point of view. May 28 03:01:32 yes May 28 03:01:43 microlith, I'm spoiled by Arch, which is why Ubuntu takes getting used to now that I'm using it again. ;) May 28 03:02:50 Besides, if MeeGo takes off like Nokia&&Intel are hoping, then I doubt it will be long until alternative distributions/UXs are available. May 28 03:02:55 yeah May 28 03:11:24 bummer that skype video calls don't work against the linux client :( May 28 03:11:32 trip0, oh, they don't? May 28 03:11:38 Are you using the latest Beta? May 28 03:12:08 I really wish Skype would hurry up with whatever pseudo-/partial-open-sourcing they said they were going to ages ago. May 28 03:12:46 If they gave the community decent quality libraries, even closed source, I'm sure it would take very little time for there to be a whole bunch of much better apps than their own. May 28 03:12:53 ...and integration, for that matter. May 28 03:13:02 That in itself would be great. May 28 03:14:07 jaem, it's not obvious how to get it to work if it does work. May 28 03:14:21 and from what I read, only the windows version works with video calls against the n900 May 28 03:15:04 i doubt even fake-open sourcing would help in this matter May 28 03:15:17 iirc, they were planning on making the frontend open with a closed backend May 28 03:15:32 if the backend never gets updated, any open source frontend is SOL May 28 03:26:48 why bother? Skype is a crap virus May 28 03:27:06 * jaem waves at luke-jr May 28 03:27:09 right on cue! May 28 03:27:20 I dislike it as well, for what it's worth. May 28 03:27:54 it's not like there aren't plenty of open standards for video conferencing May 28 03:28:01 However, with a really lousy cell plan, and no land-line, it's currently the only way I can satisfy my telephony needs at a cost I can afford. May 28 03:28:06 luke-jr, yes, I know. May 28 03:28:31 Find me a service that offers 10,000 outgoing minutes per month for $3, and I'll gladly switch May 28 03:28:51 I really would like to, but I can't afford per-minute billing, and that's all I've seen with others. May 28 03:29:21 ...I am actually serious - if you come across something like that, I'd like to know ;) May 28 03:29:36 ... May 28 03:30:14 :S May 28 03:35:54 hmm May 28 03:57:26 moo May 28 04:19:22 This is going to sound silly - but anyone have some bricks (actual bricks) laying around? May 28 04:19:31 and a camera May 28 04:20:02 not me, what about google image? May 28 04:21:19 I want a photo of the n900 of top of a brick, nothing turned up on google images May 28 04:21:48 ah, right. May 28 04:21:59 gimp them together :) May 28 04:22:36 mmm maybe, not great with image editing, but if no one has a brick and a camera, it will have to do :P May 28 04:29:21 Termana: I could get the brick if you send me a camera and N900 :-P May 28 04:30:47 does anyone know if you could download maps for ovi map so it will work offline? May 28 04:34:54 pigeon: http://support.ovi.com/index.php?id=faq&lang=en_GB&src=support_maps_sublanding&wsid=1002&caseid=FA116008_en_US May 28 04:35:57 undrwater: oh, thanks. May 28 04:47:30 I would like to test skype with video calling on my N900, is anyone else interested to do the same? May 28 04:49:00 lucent, i am May 28 04:49:19 my Skype username is 'joecastle' if you would like to try May 28 04:49:35 o= you have video calling? May 28 04:49:50 pronto: PR1.2 should add video calling May 28 04:50:01 lol May 28 04:50:04 I flashed to PR1.2 last night and did not yet try it May 28 04:50:09 ah, it's to much of a bitch to upgrade that May 28 04:50:22 when is PR 1.3 coming? May 28 04:50:36 forewarning, I had problems doing OTA update of PR1.2 May 28 04:50:46 wazd: wasn't May 28 04:50:47 it is suggested to flash and not upgrade OTA May 28 04:50:48 but really, i wish i hadnt upgraded to 1.2, the keyboard is just not working May 28 04:51:02 redeeman: keyboard looks and works fine to me May 28 04:51:02 i'm in the middle of installing crap from my backup May 28 04:51:08 lol May 28 04:51:12 its impossible to type on May 28 04:51:13 what is your problem with the keyboard, redeeman May 28 04:51:14 my virtual keyboard is also borked May 28 04:51:17 not to mention some characters are missing May 28 04:51:17 misisng some keys May 28 04:51:20 lucent: the onscreen keyboard May 28 04:51:24 yeah, not sure i like the new keyboard yet May 28 04:51:29 it's going to take getting used to May 28 04:51:35 i was getting pretty fast at the old one May 28 04:51:40 it's missing backspace May 28 04:51:41 the old one was extremely good May 28 04:51:48 ColdFyre: no backspace is there May 28 04:51:53 just in a weird position May 28 04:51:54 not visible May 28 04:51:57 it is here May 28 04:51:57 at least for me May 28 04:51:58 i love how video out works so much better now May 28 04:52:00 everything is working here May 28 04:52:01 on-screen? oh. I didn't realize that you are talking about on screen keyboard, that is a feature I don't normally use May 28 04:52:16 on-screen used to rock May 28 04:52:16 only the new onscreen keyboard is worse than i ever imagined it possible to be May 28 04:52:23 haha May 28 04:52:40 I thought you are referring to the "on screen" keyboard for extra keys, when I type Fn-Sym May 28 04:52:57 how would I test this keyboard you're talking about? May 28 04:52:58 seriously May 28 04:53:13 the guy that is responsible for the onscreen keyboard must be insane May 28 04:53:21 i really hope that guy doesn't have a drivers license May 28 04:53:58 redeeman: are you done yet? May 28 04:54:07 not yet, i have one additional comment May 28 04:54:13 I want to see what this feature is you've been upset about for days now May 28 04:54:18 they could atleast have had a huge warning in the update manager that the feature would be effectively rendered inoperable :) May 28 04:54:37 i agree, the keyboard is terrible May 28 04:54:43 the old one was great May 28 04:54:45 actually it's more operable imho than it used to be May 28 04:54:53 text completion is now useable May 28 04:55:06 text completion takes more time than it saves May 28 04:55:14 * lucent taps the microphone May 28 04:55:25 hello? how do I use the feature you are saying is crap? May 28 04:55:37 lucent: don't open the n900's physical keyboard May 28 04:55:44 and then type something May 28 04:55:48 so that the onscreen keyboard appears May 28 04:55:48 is it me or are things in the application manager sorted at random? May 28 04:55:52 lucent: tap in a text field with the kb closed May 28 04:56:01 a text field? Okay, not "Notes" ? May 28 04:56:01 you might need to enable the virutal kb May 28 04:56:07 notes works May 28 04:56:14 and you can't search in there anymore? May 28 04:56:33 asj: "Notes" crashes when I do this May 28 04:56:44 well then something is broken for you May 28 04:56:47 lucent: that wouldn't be a feature ;) May 28 04:56:59 ColdFyre: just type May 28 04:57:12 * lucent plays with N900 a bit more May 28 04:57:15 asj, it only searches for the package name though May 28 04:57:20 not description May 28 04:57:32 how's it work as a phone? May 28 04:57:34 ColdFyre: ah didn't try that May 28 04:57:39 undrwater: it has a phone? May 28 04:57:43 :D May 28 04:58:14 i'm screwed...looks like android for me :P May 28 04:58:20 app mgr still takes way way to long to load the package selection screen May 28 04:58:49 asj: thanks! I see what feature you are talking about now May 28 04:58:53 it looks fine to mee May 28 04:59:19 lucent: it's different, it's bad May 28 04:59:26 could use a different keymap layout but that's easy May 28 04:59:34 lucent: the n900 virtual kb has always been horrible, I don't get why people care May 28 04:59:45 lol the n900 virtual keyboard was extremely good before 1.2 May 28 05:00:02 illume OSK rocks ;) May 28 05:00:04 virtual keyboard was terrible when I first used it May 28 05:00:05 redeeman: not one in their right mind would call it extremely good May 28 05:00:13 which is today? May 28 05:00:14 perhaps you just didn't know how to use it? May 28 05:00:47 redeeman: lol, what features of the kb do you think I wouldn't know how to use? May 28 05:00:53 why bother having a virtual keyboard though... what language are you trying to type in May 28 05:01:16 i don't know, but based on your argument that its horrible, i must assume theres something that escapes you May 28 05:01:24 lucent: its faster than the physical May 28 05:01:27 ColdFyre: btw it does search descriptions May 28 05:01:27 or well.. WAS faster May 28 05:01:36 odd, mine is not May 28 05:01:45 nor does mine render backspace May 28 05:01:46 o_O I'm pretty darned fast with the hw keyboard mate May 28 05:02:04 yeah well i was pretty "darned" fast with the onscreen May 28 05:02:11 ColdFyre: I tried "misc" and searched "conf" which gave me fbreader-page-buttons May 28 05:02:22 using thumbs or a stylus? May 28 05:02:25 thumbs May 28 05:02:39 must have skinny thumbs lawl May 28 05:02:43 not really May 28 05:02:49 i just have excellent precision in my motor control May 28 05:02:51 redeeman: I don't see how you could be faster on vkbd than on hwkbd May 28 05:03:10 DocScrutinizer51: well.. find me a way to restore the old one, and i'll be happy to arrange a demonstation May 28 05:03:17 * lucent declares May 27th 2010 "redeeman is correct and everyone else is being trolled" day May 28 05:03:17 DocScrutinizer51: he has excelent precision...comes from years of...never mind ;) May 28 05:03:43 lucent: im not the only one that thinks the new one is shit May 28 05:04:10 * DocScrutinizer51 coses slider to give vkbd a try May 28 05:04:17 closes even May 28 05:04:30 hell i cant even find a questionmark in the new one May 28 05:04:34 DocScrutinizer51: did you like illume? May 28 05:04:37 but i guess that's not a required character these days... May 28 05:04:52 * lucent looks at questionmark on virtual keyboard May 28 05:05:02 redeeman: you be trollin' May 28 05:05:04 lucent: and where, do tell, might i find it? May 28 05:05:09 what a bullshit.., this kbd is next to unusable May 28 05:05:14 which keymap do you have loaded redeeman May 28 05:05:17 danish May 28 05:05:25 redeeman: you can't fine the ? May 28 05:05:31 right above bs? May 28 05:05:37 i ahve the english keymap May 28 05:05:40 nor do i see ? May 28 05:05:53 believe me, there is no questionmark here May 28 05:05:59 and that's been the *old* vkbd ;-) May 28 05:06:05 the right hand keys from top to bottom here are ' ? bs enter May 28 05:06:30 undrwater: not really May 28 05:06:31 bs? May 28 05:06:37 into what state are you in the keyboard? May 28 05:06:40 shifted/secondary? May 28 05:06:42 i will take a pic of my phnoe..there is no question mark May 28 05:06:43 2nd row over is p ! ., shift changes it May 28 05:06:51 i have the upside down one.. May 28 05:07:12 ? shares it's key with \ when shifted May 28 05:07:23 not here it doesn't May 28 05:07:31 redeeman: do you see \? May 28 05:07:33 on the page with numbers May 28 05:07:38 i have on the third line May 28 05:07:40 no on the alpha page May 28 05:07:43 , . @ / \ ~^( ) May 28 05:07:53 ah May 28 05:07:56 im there now on alpha page May 28 05:08:00 i do not see any question mark there May 28 05:08:06 do you see \? May 28 05:08:14 z c v b n n m ? . backspace May 28 05:08:18 would you guys mind to first agree on a particular version of a particular national variant of the vkbd mapping? May 28 05:08:27 redeeman: what's above the backspace? May 28 05:08:32 ø May 28 05:08:38 DocScrutinizer51: that's no fun May 28 05:08:38 lol May 28 05:08:45 but was that the correct position for the questionmark? May 28 05:08:50 wtf is ø May 28 05:08:54 its a danish character May 28 05:09:09 I wonder what character set I have May 28 05:09:16 english/nederlands layout: <> <> <> May 28 05:09:24 anyway, theres far bigger problems with the new keyboard May 28 05:09:25 for example May 28 05:09:26 ah utf-8 now, let's try again: ø May 28 05:09:38 you have to potentially press 2 buttons to get into the pages for characters May 28 05:09:43 whereas before you just had 3 tabs May 28 05:09:45 took only 3 press May 28 05:09:51 not to mention the buttons being smaller now May 28 05:09:58 redeeman: by happy it takes 5 key presses to get @ on the N8 May 28 05:09:58 making it virtually useless for fast typing with thumbs May 28 05:10:14 and it took max 2 before May 28 05:12:10 the english keyboard layout seems very sensible actually, very smart use of / to be shifted ? May 28 05:13:15 in the scandinavian keyboard I miss that | ain't there, you need to go to symbols May 28 05:14:12 we need a rick astley theme May 28 05:15:20 ColdFyre, No ones ever gonna give that up, ever gonna let it down. May 28 05:16:42 hanna montana theme? :-o May 28 05:17:20 DocScrutinizer51: http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html May 28 05:17:41 is maemo.org down? May 28 05:17:48 or horribly slow.. May 28 05:17:50 aaah thanks - lsot the link May 28 05:18:07 Funnyface: weekend May 28 05:18:25 Funnyface, a lot of people seem to be complaining of that... but mines perfectly fine :P May 28 05:18:54 it's kinda 'scheduled' outage May 28 05:18:57 ah well I can't get it to load here, www.maemo.org itself seems to be fine, but then it gets stuck loading stuff from static.maemo.org May 28 05:19:52 also seems our maintainers are fiddling with the css etc May 28 05:20:06 :P May 28 05:20:11 it seems May 28 05:20:12 7nick sadface May 28 05:20:34 wiki looked really weird 10h ago May 28 05:21:00 it is the gnomes May 28 05:24:15 is there a decent sip call recorder for maemo 4? May 28 05:25:41 could anybody look at e.g http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host whether it actually looks quite messed up for them as well? May 28 05:26:29 DocAvalanche: it's slow here, maybe a style sheet failed to load...I'm still waiting for it to load May 28 05:26:40 messed up here means for example broken image for link maemo.org in upper left corner May 28 05:27:24 yep, looks exactly like missing/messed up css May 28 05:28:09 absolutely no theme at all here May 28 05:28:33 still hasn't finished loading here, nothing rendered at all May 28 05:28:45 same May 28 05:28:59 here it renders like plain text on a white background May 28 05:29:43 with menu moved from right to left May 28 05:30:26 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/samsung-behold-ii-fails-to-fulfill-android-2-0-promise-jilted-u/ <- heh, it's upgrade wars galore.. May 28 05:30:29 :P May 28 05:34:40 o_O the only messed up thing to me is that this is even possible (the content of the article) May 28 05:34:51 re: USB Host mode N900 May 28 05:37:01 is just uninstalling apps enough to clear space for pr12 ota update? (maemo.org is unreachable to me, so im asking here) May 28 05:37:14 ahh recaller works... just for some reason notifications are being put belowe the phone app... May 28 05:37:26 and how do i know how much space im missing? May 28 05:37:32 TTilus: my experience is that the PR1.2 update will result in a reboot cycle endlessly May 28 05:37:45 TTilus: suggested action is to flash manually May 28 05:38:00 i.e. backup your settings first, flash, restore settings May 28 05:38:16 ah, thanks May 28 05:38:38 TTilus: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php is the link May 28 05:38:43 TTilus: that's what I did, I uninstalled openarena, tuxrace, some battle for data files, and after that it let me install OTA May 28 05:39:32 * lucent notes "probably battle for wesnoth, only THE most popular original opensource licensed game in history" May 28 05:40:30 lucent, ??? May 28 05:40:55 lucent: I am putting it that way because I never got it working :p May 28 05:41:01 lucent: I still won't play a game full of snot - NEVAR May 28 05:41:29 * lucent ^_^ May 28 05:41:54 lucent: what's wrong with USB host mode?? o.O May 28 05:42:25 DocScrutinizer: it dun work lest you know how to work the magic and have TEH SPECIALZ CABLERS... :-/ May 28 05:42:45 or was it the content of the wiki site itself that make you wonder how it's possible to publish such thing? May 28 05:42:47 * tybollt can sooooo haz host mode... May 28 05:43:10 ewhr there's a wiki now? May 28 05:43:12 ;) May 28 05:43:48 have you got mediabox working btw? I don't see how I am supposed to make it find my files :p May 28 05:43:56 DocScrutinizer: last I'd researched into the topic, USB host mode on N900 was a no-go May 28 05:44:11 is it somehow a given that it works now? May 28 05:44:15 lucent: they made it work May 28 05:44:24 * DocScrutinizer scratches head and makes note to set tybollt on ignore list until after breakfast May 28 05:44:43 lucent: but involves sacrificing young virgins and goats... May 28 05:44:44 lucent: yes May 28 05:45:15 nifty. academic exercise, or something reliable? May 28 05:45:44 work in progress, aimed to get a reliable every day solution May 28 05:46:03 that's really nifty ^_^ May 28 05:46:05 DocScrutinizer: seriously though - it does require the special cable - right? May 28 05:46:43 tybollt: no, the cable is pretty much standard (A-F to A-F adapter will suffice) May 28 05:47:15 * tybollt confused now - guess I'm just that outdated... May 28 05:47:21 * tybollt heads off to read the wiki May 28 05:47:36 tybollt: that's quite obvious :-) May 28 05:49:49 Hi ! May 28 05:49:53 hello May 28 05:50:08 I remember there was talk of a special cable (which was about when I lost my urgent interest seeing as how I've done more than my fair share of cable soldering/crimping at a previous job and wish not to pick that shore up) but perhaps I have just taken too much drugs and dreamed that... May 28 05:50:53 i founded OcarinaOfTime OST, it is very fun as ringtone ^^ May 28 05:51:31 maybe it would be fun to use tablet as an ocarina like an iphone app :) May 28 05:52:40 n1c0: I've seen a few music apps creep into the package catalogs May 28 05:52:49 ~otg May 28 05:52:50 methinks otg is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go May 28 05:52:56 none using the microphone yet May 28 05:53:02 tybollt: look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=678188#post678188 and prev ~35 pages, to get up to date. On the remaining pages from 1..~60 you'll find virtually all kind of rant and its contrary stated as the one and only truth, so probably also find your cable faulty info May 28 05:53:10 when my FM transmitter is enabled, with nothing playing, it keeps playing tiny beeps every 2-3 secs, is that the channel name being transmitted? May 28 05:53:22 n1c0: one set-back for the N900 as a breath controller is that it is not a multi-touch May 28 05:53:31 or is it some keepalive to not make a radio seek for another channel? :p May 28 05:53:53 Funnyface: interesting, I don't know if I've heard those same beeps or not May 28 05:54:08 Funnyface: sure you don't have a voicemail message waiting? ha.. ha.. May 28 05:54:15 Funnyface: no, that's reminder that the fm transmitter is on and sucking power May 28 05:54:23 symbian does it May 28 05:54:30 Funnyface: it's one thing for sure: STRANGE May 28 05:54:56 lucent: hmm ok thanks for your enlight May 28 05:55:13 nah it doesn't play the same beeps in the regular speakers :P May 28 05:55:31 Funnyface: why would it play it on the regular speakers? May 28 05:55:45 "Funnyface: sure you don't have a voicemail message waiting? ha.. ha.." for that May 28 05:55:52 asj: at a TX power of some NANO-Watts I don't think eating battery power to generate the beeps makes much sense May 28 05:56:02 lucent: so implement multi-touch May 28 05:56:19 luke-jr: the panel supports it? May 28 05:56:25 DocScrutinizer: isn't it 100mW? May 28 05:56:35 lucent: not sure resistive multi-touch requires panel support May 28 05:56:35 asj: at least not wrt saving energy May 28 05:56:45 asj: no, it's nano May 28 05:56:56 I use fm-boost May 28 05:57:04 Funnyface: even then May 28 05:57:11 plus it's handy to locate it May 28 05:57:31 luke-jr: there was a multi-touch hack which predicted where a 2nd touch would be given a first touch and that the next point would be a midpoint of the next touch May 28 05:57:38 just a hack though May 28 05:57:55 all hardware is a hack May 28 05:57:57 :) May 28 05:58:27 in so far as I can tell, the N900 is strictly not multi-touch May 28 05:58:35 probably not super great, because a hard press will pull the "mid point" further towards that point :P May 28 05:58:42 oh well May 28 05:58:49 multi-touch is overrated and N900 sucks in general May 28 05:58:50 :) May 28 05:58:56 lucent: and quite a nonsense that has proven not to work May 28 05:58:57 did you try one? May 28 05:58:57 : May 28 05:58:58 P May 28 05:59:08 Stskeeps: don't need to, the screen is obviously too small May 28 05:59:16 fair enough May 28 05:59:21 I did witness multitouch though May 28 05:59:29 I'd hate it May 28 05:59:58 lucent: that statement is non sensical. RESISTIVE screens are not multi-touch, period. It really has nothing to do w/ just the N900 May 28 06:00:06 I am not going to be an apple fanboi with all their excuses of "I don't need that" but so far I haven't ever thought "damn, multitouch would be great for this" ever on my device :p May 28 06:00:09 Now - the n900 zooms just fine May 28 06:00:17 stop the pinch zoom trolling :) May 28 06:00:17 Stskeeps: also, there's no N900-compatible service here, I found May 28 06:00:24 tybollt: nonsense, there are multi-touch resistive screens May 28 06:00:31 huh? May 28 06:00:36 there are - really? May 28 06:00:43 tybollt: at least two-touch May 28 06:00:50 multitouch would have some benefits, but i don't really need it anyway May 28 06:00:51 tybollt: BZZZ you're out. Sorry that's BS. R-TS *can* do mt May 28 06:01:04 Fair enough - I stand corrected :) May 28 06:01:12 Show me one - please May 28 06:01:19 piano apps need multitouch.. that's it May 28 06:01:21 luke-jr: i actually thought to write a two-touch emulator for n900, but when i realized that pinching wouldn't work, i quickly gave up the idea May 28 06:01:24 tybollt: afaik it's all math in the driver May 28 06:01:45 would've been somewhat accurate only for two touches, but moving those fingers around would've been impossible to predict May 28 06:02:02 and the touches can't be simultaneous, either May 28 06:02:05 Wolfie: pinch != movement tracking May 28 06:02:07 luke-jr: nope, you also need a special A/D hw to read out additional parameters of the TS planes May 28 06:02:16 humans can't be simultaneous when compared with tech May 28 06:02:19 i.e over all resistance May 28 06:02:30 luke-jr: arent' resistive screens still pretty analogous and comparatively slow? May 28 06:02:38 no clle May 28 06:02:40 clue* May 28 06:02:48 i mean, you need to press two films together to short a circuit, or something similar May 28 06:02:57 but a pinch would simply be pressure changes around the same approximate point May 28 06:03:00 I think May 28 06:03:00 .. slow? May 28 06:03:07 Wolfie: that's how they work, yes May 28 06:03:16 Wolfie: that doesn't strike me as particularly slow May 28 06:03:16 Stskeeps: slow as in not reacting in microseconds May 28 06:03:34 Wolfie: that might just be userland. May 28 06:03:38 the truly innovative app I've seen for multitouch _is_ a breath controller for music synth May 28 06:03:41 Wolfie: that depends on the A/D May 28 06:04:01 you can go up to some megasamples/s with usual hw May 28 06:04:05 Stskeeps: yeah, i'm not talking about what happens in the chips May 28 06:04:09 DocScrutinizer: yeah May 28 06:04:13 if that's too slow fore you... :-P May 28 06:04:26 omg 1 am already May 28 06:04:34 well, anyways. it wouldn't be too practical, and that woud've just been one application. I'm not a drivers guy :) May 28 06:04:48 anyway, the N900 has a full keyboard to replace whatever a multitouch would be useful :P May 28 06:04:54 Funnyface: no. May 28 06:04:59 +for May 28 06:05:03 N900's keyboard is epic fail short of "full" May 28 06:05:10 full keyboard MUST have at LEAST a tab key May 28 06:05:18 does n810? May 28 06:05:19 :P May 28 06:05:28 I'd prefer a 4 row keyboard indeed May 28 06:05:33 yep May 28 06:05:35 luke-jr: agreed May 28 06:05:39 luke-jr, and esc and alt and and and.. May 28 06:05:45 but that's not my point :P May 28 06:05:49 Stskeeps: C760 did May 28 06:05:58 luke-jr: agreed, no tab key has made me confused many times May 28 06:06:00 and then suddendly the device is too big and everone complains about it May 28 06:06:06 that's the only key I really miss though May 28 06:06:08 Surfa: too big? N810 was too small May 28 06:06:21 C760 was perfect :( May 28 06:06:22 luke-jr, look, you are not everyone, most people think n900 is too big May 28 06:06:24 don't forget the "windows key" :P May 28 06:06:34 Surfa: anyone besides the idiots who think N900 is a phone? May 28 06:06:47 Funnyface: you mean the tux key May 28 06:06:49 luke-jr, nice attitude, do you like anything? May 28 06:07:01 Surfa: I just said, I liked the C760 May 28 06:07:11 yeah crankypants, some rest will do you good May 28 06:07:12 Surfa: who says there's a physical law forbidding to expose more than 1/2 the hight of the devices lower half to have a kbd there? May 28 06:07:31 well, i'd have to agree that as far as the phone usage of n900 goes, it's not in the top of the list May 28 06:07:47 hmm May 28 06:07:48 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/02/multi-touch-comes-to-resistive-touchscreens/ May 28 06:07:58 I rather like my N900's phone capabilities May 28 06:08:00 well, the N900 does what I need it to do as a phone May 28 06:08:00 DocScrutinizer, not physical law, but the device needs certain firmness and it's not easy thing to do if touching parts are decreasing May 28 06:08:06 so it exist - but there doesn't seem to be a lot of actual devices with it May 28 06:08:10 that doesn't make it any less of a tech gadget, but its best features aren't the phone stuff May 28 06:08:12 tybollt: congrats, you found it without any help ;-) May 28 06:08:13 I make phone calls and send some SMS messages, and the N900 does that May 28 06:08:23 and in addition to that it's a great portable computer :P May 28 06:08:27 DocScrutinizer, not to mention that other space under the screen is used too, it's not empty May 28 06:08:41 Surfa: C760 had a keyboard larger than the screen May 28 06:08:56 Surfa: sorry, you lost me on the 2nd statement May 28 06:09:05 Funnyface: AdBlock Plus, and um... hover in the web browser May 28 06:09:34 DocScrutinizer, devices today are so filled with components that if you want to put anything extra in there, you need more physical space -> device becomes bigger May 28 06:09:35 http://www.brighthand.com/images/Sharp_Zaurus_R_1_L.jpg look at that wonderful design May 28 06:09:47 lucent: ? :P was that for me? :P May 28 06:09:53 yeah May 28 06:09:57 just talking up the great features May 28 06:10:02 DocScrutinizer, it's not just 1/2 keyboard becoming 3/4 keyboards e.g. May 28 06:10:04 ah May 28 06:10:17 6 rows :) May 28 06:10:23 btw I owned several models of zaurs computers, they were somewhat elegant, and 100% unusuable May 28 06:10:38 unusable* sorry my spelling is suffering over a slow net link May 28 06:10:39 lucent: nonsense, I used my C760 every day for at least a year or two May 28 06:10:49 well sure! you are dedicated May 28 06:11:19 Surfa: don't argue with me on that one. You'll lose the game. Look there http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ May 28 06:11:28 far more usable than Nokia's products, minus age differences May 28 06:11:33 I tried using a C3k and a C3k1, it was like a Rolex... looks really pretty but doesn't keep very good time May 28 06:11:56 lucent: ... did you run ntpd? May 28 06:11:57 around the same timeframe my co-worker had a N800 and it did everything the C3k did not do well May 28 06:12:05 LOL May 28 06:12:07 DocScrutinizer, right, whatever May 28 06:12:11 N800 didn't even have a keyboard May 28 06:12:12 Surfa: I assure you there *is* enough space left May 28 06:12:13 Funnyface: yes, it does what it needs to do as a phone (well, mms is debateable). But the fact that sms and phone is just another app, makes the point that it's not the main point of the device May 28 06:12:27 so, it's a device with a phone. Not a phone per-se. Imho. May 28 06:13:04 DocScrutinizer, if you say so May 28 06:13:23 what are the problems getting MMS to work on the N900 anyway? isn't MMS just a separate data connection, which doesn't have an internet gateway on it, but just some MMS server instead? May 28 06:13:44 Funnyface: there's always fMMS... May 28 06:14:00 Funnyface: there might be a seperate data connection, and linux doesn't in 2.6.28 handle IP namespaces May 28 06:14:09 Surfa: the main problem is to design a rugged slider mechanism that slides out more than 50% May 28 06:14:11 Funnyface: I'm by far no expert, but IIRC the only real problem is the cell company doesn't send MMS provisioning to N900s May 28 06:14:14 I'm guessing, MMS integration hurdles are related to making it work within a programming framework May 28 06:14:23 no, kernel level May 28 06:14:24 :P May 28 06:14:28 Stskeeps: why would it need a namespace? May 28 06:14:38 DocScrutinizer: that'd becomne too fragile - surely? May 28 06:14:51 DocScrutinizer, that was my first line, you can slide more than 50% no problem, but device should stay in one peace still May 28 06:14:54 hmm, look at N97 mini May 28 06:15:02 luke-jr: because it would need to keep two data connections alive and mms would only want to go out on the MMS IP namespace May 28 06:15:14 Surfa: why not make a keyboard you can slide off entirely? ;) May 28 06:15:25 anyway it is no major issue to me.. my provider sends me a "you have received an MMS, go to this URL to watch it" message by SMS if I receive something May 28 06:15:30 luke-jr, try to guess :P May 28 06:15:33 or a clamshell. yea May 28 06:15:35 and I can't remember sending an MMS in my life May 28 06:15:49 Stskeeps: and ip route can't handle that why? May 28 06:15:59 Surfa: no clue May 28 06:15:59 Funnyface: as mentioned earlier, you could try the 'fMMS' packages if you want something new to experiment with May 28 06:16:03 Surfa: sounds like a good idea to me May 28 06:16:05 luke-jr: because it'll disrupt al other communications? May 28 06:16:05 Funnyface, not all operators do that if you have once owned a device with mms capabilities May 28 06:16:09 Stskeeps: why? May 28 06:16:10 lucent: yeah :P May 28 06:16:22 Surfa: hehe May 28 06:16:49 Funnyface, and it's a little annoying May 28 06:16:50 * lucent hears a noise "ooh, did I catch a mouse?" May 28 06:17:08 luke-jr: i'm not going to be bothering to argue with you but if you have two internet connections, one MMS, one internet, and you want to communicate with one or more IP on the MMS namespace at same time as communicating with a IP on the internet, this isn't exactly trivial May 28 06:17:11 Funnyface, and some operators do that after 2 days when the mms didn't get retrieved May 28 06:17:14 * Stskeeps goes do work May 28 06:17:23 Funnyface, so basically every mms comes with 2 day delay May 28 06:17:33 Stskeeps: sure it is; man ip May 28 06:17:55 \o/ for every mouse trapped, I love my touchscreen that much more May 28 06:17:57 luke-jr: i know it's possible to set up a bunch of static routes May 28 06:18:08 Stskeeps: you could probably set the internet connection as the main connection, and just override that in your MMS application May 28 06:18:13 but you have to admit that is ugy May 28 06:18:17 luke-jr, you also think that n900 is too small whereas majority of users think n900 is huge an buy another phone :) May 28 06:18:23 Stskeeps: not as ugly as a new network namespace May 28 06:18:35 Surfa: it's not supposed to be a phone May 28 06:18:37 just like if you have 2 internet connections on your computer, it will always only use the one by default, unless you specifically bind an app to use the other May 28 06:18:41 it's supposed to be a pocket computer May 28 06:18:41 luke-jr: kernel people went for network namespace as the solution, so there's a good reason for it May 28 06:18:57 Surfa: someday nokia would like to be able to sell phones May 28 06:18:59 Stskeeps: There's a problem w/ that. Joe User will not understand. May 28 06:19:00 Stskeeps: * namespace is just OpenVZ mainlining; the good reason is virtualization] May 28 06:19:02 luke-jr, it is supposed to be a phone with other capabilities too May 28 06:19:03 not sure why.. but May 28 06:19:18 Surfa: nah, luke-jr is mostly right May 28 06:19:19 Stskeeps: Certainly when symbian had it. May 28 06:19:29 the n900 isn't really supposed to be a phone first May 28 06:19:31 Surfa: N900's predecessors didn't even have phone capabilities May 28 06:19:39 luke-jr, that's not the point May 28 06:19:42 the nokia roadmap for the team had the n900 as step 4 May 28 06:19:43 Surfa: it is May 28 06:19:45 of 5 May 28 06:19:49 Stskeeps: A new product w/ a feature less than the old product - who cares what reason - is still a new product w/ a feture lacking. May 28 06:19:49 luke-jr, no it isn't :) May 28 06:20:04 tybollt: n900 didn't have a older product :P May 28 06:20:08 except for n810 May 28 06:20:09 Stskeeps: N810 May 28 06:20:25 tybollt: reading that somehow made me think of the iPad.. lol May 28 06:20:49 good grief don't get me started on that shitshow May 28 06:20:51 timeless_mbp, well, talking about _phones_ you could check some sales figures :) May 28 06:21:09 point me one company that sells more May 28 06:21:24 IIRC when N900 was announced it was supposed to be data-only May 28 06:21:43 Nokia only added a phone app down the road May 28 06:21:43 anyway, whether the N900 is a computer or a phone, or both, doesn't change what it can do, and what size it is :P May 28 06:21:45 luke-jr, ööh? show me that announcement May 28 06:21:48 to me it's a smartphone May 28 06:22:11 n900 is equipped with phone capabilities, i really don't May 28 06:22:21 get how it is different from smartphones May 28 06:22:37 Surfa: I don't know how to locate old articles :) May 28 06:22:46 maybe timeless_mbp can comment May 28 06:22:48 the GUI layout basically May 28 06:23:32 Funnyface, Surfa: my (mild) objections are mainly from a UX perspective May 28 06:23:46 when I activate the screen, nothing invites me to make a phone call, or write a text message May 28 06:24:04 there's just some icons and widgets. One of them might be to the phone app, but that's incidental May 28 06:24:04 Wolfie: that's what I mean about "GUI layout" :P May 28 06:24:25 I don't want a physical phone. they're obsolete :p May 28 06:24:48 my pocket computer should display caller ID info perhaps May 28 06:25:03 but basically it should just route audio to my bluetooth headset in the background May 28 06:25:08 I wish that the "flashlight" torch mode for camera LEDs could be activated more easily May 28 06:25:44 it used to be possible with flashlight app May 28 06:26:06 luke-jr, that's so opposite of nokia announcements that unless you can't provide any reference, i just don't buy it.. but I'm happy to change my mind if you can show me an official announcement of n900 without cellular capabilities May 28 06:26:31 lucent: you can still use flashlight app May 28 06:26:46 lucent: you're catching mice with your N900? o.O May 28 06:26:52 luke-jr: i can't remember that. It wasn't really prominent, but the phone capabilities were listed from the very beginning, iirc May 28 06:27:03 i, for one, thought it was just another nokia tablet. May 28 06:27:09 until i researched May 28 06:27:14 lol May 28 06:27:19 me too May 28 06:27:22 DocScrutinizer: I wish! I should have not mentioned it, I'm just excited when my apartment mousetrap kills a poor little creepy mouse May 28 06:27:24 it is May 28 06:27:53 \o/ for every mouse trapped, I love my touchscreen that much more May 28 06:27:53 thresh: flashlight app seems to have gotten less useful, I must close the camera application before I can use it May 28 06:27:59 Wolfie, well, in the ux perspective most modern smartphones give exactly the same feeling for me :) May 28 06:28:17 feeling of being defiled? May 28 06:28:17 thought you use the ts to trigger the killing May 28 06:28:36 DocScrutinizer: "firin ma laser"? May 28 06:28:41 DocScrutinizer: oh, man, that would be unusual. I was trying to hard to be clever May 28 06:28:41 lucent: i think i had the same in PR1.1 May 28 06:29:33 thresh: I'm PR1.2 now, and "Unable to initialize flashlight. Camera is in use by another application" May 28 06:30:06 camera-gui is a PITA May 28 06:30:23 Surfa: indeed they do May 28 06:30:42 tybollt, killer-laser is coming in PR1.3 May 28 06:30:43 Surfa: the latest nokia communicator (e90) did invite me to make phonecalls May 28 06:30:44 honestly I don't get it why that shit has to run all the time, exclusively managing the slider and stuff May 28 06:30:45 :P May 28 06:30:48 maybe another application _is_ using the camera? May 28 06:30:59 night May 28 06:31:02 and write sms:s May 28 06:31:15 lucent: i mean i had to close cameraapp. and it works here if camera app is on a standby May 28 06:31:28 contact shortcuts in the numeric pad, "write sms" menu button, etc... May 28 06:31:54 thresh: oh okay same here, I'm finding that flashlight-app is only useful if I can activate it quickly May 28 06:32:25 also it used to be great if I can turn some light on to shoot video at night May 28 06:32:29 Wolfie, ok, that doesn't count me as a modern.. it's ages old :) May 28 06:32:29 now I cannot do this May 28 06:32:42 Hi, does anyone now when PR1.2 will be ready for the Taiwan region? May 28 06:32:59 Wolfie, i can't even remember when it was launced.. :O May 28 06:33:04 damn, what is so hard in implementing a sheme like "watch cam slider switch; on 'open' start the app mentioned in line 'camera=foooApp' in mce.ini" May 28 06:33:10 s/now/know/g May 28 06:33:10 julianh meant: Hi, does anyone know when PR1.2 will be ready for the Taiwan region? May 28 06:33:23 julianh: is Taiwan "Global region" ? May 28 06:33:23 lucent: hmm yes, I was going to use my N900 to record some video in a burned out house, just to realise the flashlight couldn't be used while recording video.. lol May 28 06:33:24 julianh: define ready? May 28 06:33:46 I've ssu/207 in sources.list May 28 06:33:52 that way we could have a nice little app starting the flashlight and popup a menu to select either still or video cam operation May 28 06:33:58 but so far no update available May 28 06:34:11 Funnyface: it used to be workable, in older firmware and app May 28 06:34:20 Surfa: it's still a smartphone May 28 06:34:58 Funnyface: there's an app (called *focus* somewhat) to start the flashlight during video record May 28 06:35:03 as I understand ssu/203 is for UK, guess that ssu/207 is for taiwan May 28 06:35:07 Wolfie, yes, but i was talking about _modern_ smartphones, also stated that on my comment May 28 06:35:13 alright May 28 06:35:42 Wolfie, but i'm pretty sure that we both agree and share opinion here so probably no need to continue May 28 06:35:52 ha, I tried to play a .ogm video file from a mediaserver and was pretty sure it would not work... but n900 opened it in the media player (the music version) and shows the video as the album art, no way to get it fullscreen though May 28 06:35:53 Surfa: i strongly disagree! May 28 06:35:55 Funnyface: keys 'q' and 'w' iirc May 28 06:35:55 (not) May 28 06:36:09 it has been more than 2 days after the announce... so I want to get it :) May 28 06:36:15 Funnyface: manual focus is 'a' and 's' May 28 06:36:15 trend is however away from the phones in all smartphones :| May 28 06:36:22 DocScrutinizer: nice, I will check it out May 28 06:36:29 other functions are coming more important May 28 06:36:39 Surfa: yeah. And it's not like I have strong feelings about that. I intended to buy a internet tablet with calling capabilities, and I got what I expected. no complaints here May 28 06:36:59 Wolfie, me too, not actually buy, but get.. May 28 06:37:12 Funnyface: works like a charm, but it kills the flashlight sysmenu button ;-P May 28 06:37:17 Wolfie, and i'm pretty happy with n900, i can make calls relatively conveniently when needed too May 28 06:37:51 DocScrutinizer: well, I guess that's fine. I am going to do a full reflash soon anyway May 28 06:37:56 I don't talk too much so it suits my needs as a phone too May 28 06:39:31 DocScrutinizer: do you remember which catalog it was in by any chance? May 28 06:40:00 sorry no May 28 06:40:09 probably *-devel May 28 06:40:18 *wow* May 28 06:40:29 timeless_mbp: ? May 28 06:40:32 * timeless_mbp found a nokia service which enables devs to actually respond to feedback May 28 06:40:38 * timeless_mbp is dazed May 28 06:40:45 and confused... :P May 28 06:40:48 yes! May 28 06:40:53 * ruskie is happy May 28 06:40:55 * timeless_mbp was so certain this could never happen May 28 06:41:08 something is wrong in … hrm, helsinki? May 28 06:41:15 timeless_mbp: how many managers and other people have to review the response though? May 28 06:41:37 tybollt: given that i sent the bug report last night and got a reply at 8:32am this morning May 28 06:41:43 the turnaround was <<<1 business day May 28 06:42:03 > Thank you for your suggestions. May 28 06:42:04 > We will consider them in the very next version. May 28 06:42:22 to be fair to my psyche, they only promised to consider them, not to fix them May 28 06:42:36 timeless_mbp, that I think is still a lot ;) May 28 06:42:55 ruskie: yeah um… i'm going to be dazed for a while May 28 06:43:01 it concerns me that nokia employees can't talk face to face but have to add a layer of bug-submission in between May 28 06:43:06 timeless_mbp, really, where is that? May 28 06:43:17 tybollt: you've obviously not been drinking with these people May 28 06:43:20 no bug submission involved May 28 06:43:22 Surfa: sorry, it's nokia confidential or something May 28 06:43:28 * ruskie contemplates merging all the various helper scripts he has on his N900 into one superscript May 28 06:43:43 Stskeeps: this is through an internal system actually, it's roughly equivalent to nokia's betalabs May 28 06:43:49 Stskeeps: Why does all jokes w/ finns always include drinking|sauna? :) May 28 06:43:51 it's basically our pre-betalabs May 28 06:44:07 ruskie's killer ;-P May 28 06:44:16 DocScrutinizer, ? May 28 06:44:23 superscript May 28 06:44:26 lol May 28 06:44:34 it's a dead easy thing to do ;) May 28 06:44:50 hell... already have half the stuff done May 28 06:45:49 still of questionable value to have a repartitioning script integrated with a battery monitor, just to take random examples May 28 06:46:03 DocScrutinizer, naahh didn't meant those ;) May 28 06:46:08 all the cron scripts May 28 06:46:17 emailupdate.sh setprofile.sh resetgprs.sh wifitoggle.sh notify.sh May 28 06:46:40 hmm I see May 28 06:46:56 reminds me on tols like ip May 28 06:47:00 http://sprunge.us/PJFY May 28 06:47:05 or the strange ms crap May 28 06:47:12 tools May 28 06:47:47 ip --sue-my-carrier May 28 06:48:01 if I merge them then it would be: script function(where function would be one of: emailupdate,setprofile,resetgprs,wifitoggle,notify) May 28 06:48:36 -make-me-a-sandwich May 28 06:48:59 uh, forgot sudo :-P May 28 06:49:22 script --sudo_make-me-a-sandwich May 28 06:49:42 ;-) May 28 06:50:40 hello anone in here? May 28 06:51:03 ruskie: you could have several hardlinks to the same script, and decide on 'function' based on $0 ;-D May 28 06:51:20 ??? May 28 06:51:29 izzox: obviously not May 28 06:51:35 i'm not here May 28 06:51:41 ok May 28 06:51:49 or am i? May 28 06:51:52 look behind you May 28 06:51:55 DocScrutinizer, yeah though not a big fan of that ;) May 28 06:52:04 just need someone to help me with the applets May 28 06:52:26 ask away May 28 06:52:34 i'm tryingwhy?? May 28 06:52:40 why?? May 28 06:52:49 why away?? May 28 06:52:57 hola! May 28 06:52:59 izzox: come to the point May 28 06:53:06 uh... May 28 06:53:09 ok May 28 06:53:39 just ask May 28 06:53:40 err, get to.. May 28 06:53:43 i'm trying to make an applet which will help monitoring rtcomm from the desktop May 28 06:53:48 dont ask to ask or if anyone is here May 28 06:54:21 with stuff such as sending msg from the sesktop May 28 06:54:47 look i'm trying to find help May 28 06:54:58 if you can't leave me alone May 28 06:55:00 so you need help developing a widget May 28 06:55:14 don't tell me what i got to do over here May 28 06:55:22 yeah that's rigth May 28 06:55:30 ~tell izzox about question May 28 06:56:05 and what's the problem izzox ? May 28 06:56:23 I got to know where to start May 28 06:56:39 i'm not developping for maemo5 May 28 06:56:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_Desktop_Widgets May 28 06:57:08 i can't develop for maemo5 May 28 06:57:16 then why are you asking in #maemo? May 28 06:57:20 i don't have it May 28 06:57:26 get the SDK? May 28 06:57:32 coz i have the os2008 May 28 06:57:38 nope May 28 06:57:55 if you want you will port it later May 28 06:58:24 you got the OS2008 SDK? May 28 06:58:29 nope May 28 06:58:33 the n810 May 28 06:58:33 :D May 28 06:58:35 well thats a start May 28 06:59:00 get the OS2008/Maemo4 SDK May 28 06:59:14 ok May 28 06:59:22 and what next?? May 28 06:59:44 start developing May 28 07:00:02 ok ok May 28 07:00:06 http://maemo.org/development/ ( site is really slow for me) May 28 07:00:28 yeah I think that the server is down May 28 07:00:29 on the wiki there should be Maemo4 info just like there's info about Maemo5 May 28 07:00:38 onlly talk section works May 28 07:00:49 yeah I saw but May 28 07:00:58 noting about the applets May 28 07:01:01 I mean May 28 07:01:09 i did not really see May 28 07:01:28 usual weekend outage for ointment of the 770s farm May 28 07:01:48 (is there applets on maemo4?) I never seen 4 so.. May 28 07:02:18 how about svg clock May 28 07:02:22 well, depends n definition of applet May 28 07:02:34 applet =! widget ? May 28 07:02:34 reshearch bat May 28 07:02:43 recherche barre May 28 07:02:49 i don't know May 28 07:03:36 ok May 28 07:03:37 you can have those little icons in systray May 28 07:03:50 and larger ones on desktop May 28 07:03:54 it's not necessary May 28 07:04:01 all that maters for me May 28 07:04:15 is to get a kind of transparent small window May 28 07:04:22 on the desktop May 28 07:04:25 i got both on my N810 May 28 07:04:27 like the clock May 28 07:04:44 which will have May 28 07:04:57 check how gpe-calendar is doing it May 28 07:05:04 a litle chan where to put characteres like the search bar May 28 07:05:16 yeah that's a great idea May 28 07:05:41 let melook for that May 28 07:22:33 Well, looks like Quim is sending me ANOTHER device. <_< May 28 07:23:16 scary May 28 07:23:23 what are you doing with the broken ones? May 28 07:23:35 morning May 28 07:23:51 rm_you: busted your first? May 28 07:24:28 tybollt: second May 28 07:24:41 Stskeeps: sitting on my desk right now... May 28 07:24:49 Quim keeps claiming he'll have his secretary handle getting them back May 28 07:24:59 but i keep saying "i havent heard anything, where do i mail these?!" :P May 28 07:25:08 you'll end up with a pile of n900s May 28 07:25:09 :P May 28 07:25:13 lol May 28 07:25:17 woooo pile of paperweights May 28 07:25:26 what's wrong with your n900? May 28 07:25:30 i could use a broken n900 probably as i can do cold flashing May 28 07:25:30 :P May 28 07:25:31 they bricked or just a silly scratch ona screen? May 28 07:25:33 i've got high expectations of the next one :P May 28 07:25:43 first one the USB port fell out May 28 07:25:52 second one doesn't recognize any battery May 28 07:26:09 also the keyboard is freaking out May 28 07:26:19 maybe you're radioactive? May 28 07:26:23 <_< May 28 07:26:35 seems the usb port popping out happens to a fair few people May 28 07:26:41 the first one works great still if i charge the battery in something else May 28 07:26:53 yeah, happened to texrat, i read his post, then THE SAME DAY it happened to me May 28 07:27:04 epic karma May 28 07:27:04 rm_you: mail them to me! :-) May 28 07:27:08 lol May 28 07:27:23 No USB port fail for me yet- fingers crossed May 28 07:27:32 yeah i was about to take the first one apart and solder on another usb port May 28 07:27:33 probably naive on my part but couldn't a bit of neat soldering do the job? May 28 07:27:34 hmhm I though only summit devices were usb-port failing May 28 07:27:39 but i decided to just ask Quim for a new one T_T May 28 07:27:59 my usb port is still as solid as the day I bought it(*knock on wood*) May 28 07:28:03 rm_you: please the one with battery and kbd problems, as I don't care about that May 28 07:28:10 as opposed to going all Dr. Frankenstein on an n900 that i don't own :P May 28 07:28:16 rm_you: maybe he'll come and pick them up in person when he moves to US ;) May 28 07:28:26 DocScrutinizer: what do you want it for? >_> May 28 07:28:27 I wouldn't call it solid, but it's not loose May 28 07:28:38 rm_you: hostmode tortures May 28 07:28:44 anyway, he did claim that this time she really WILL get them back May 28 07:28:51 so May 28 07:29:45 well, GAN900 and javispedro said they poked qgil about a new one for me, so maybe.... May 28 07:29:49 maemo.org down? May 28 07:29:53 yep May 28 07:29:59 aledgedly May 28 07:30:09 just looks strange for me May 28 07:30:19 down for others May 28 07:30:27 DocScrutinizer: did yours break too? May 28 07:30:59 rm_you: yep, nokia broke my power switch while repairing main ribbon connector ;-P May 28 07:31:05 T_T May 28 07:31:46 DocScrutinizer: wtf.. May 28 07:31:56 ffs May 28 07:31:59 but anyway, for hostmode I'd need to 'break' it myself, testing hacked kernels etc. I don't want to lose my daily phone though May 28 07:32:15 DocScrutinizer: I guess you complained about that? May 28 07:32:22 so a developer device came in handy May 28 07:32:22 the way how phone behaves in n900 is annoying May 28 07:32:36 tybollt: sure I did May 28 07:32:44 jacekowski: do you take bug reports? May 28 07:32:46 DocScrutinizer: so where are you with usb on n900? May 28 07:33:14 tybollt: they need to send it in again. As "nokia broke it, nokia repairs it" even while the care center could probably do the fix in 20 minutes May 28 07:33:24 tybollt: no, i'll do it myself when i'll get fed up enough May 28 07:33:28 DocScrutinizer: one thing if it was a dev unit but if it was a phone I had bought myself I would have gone all crazy at nokia :) May 28 07:33:31 DocScrutinizer: could you tell by schematics which are the serial ports btw May 28 07:33:32 ? May 28 07:33:34 jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=678188#post678188 May 28 07:34:03 DocScrutinizer: aaah so that means you'll be w/out a unit for ERANGE of time... that suck :-| May 28 07:34:05 Stskeeps: probably I can May 28 07:34:14 DocScrutinizer: cos i can't read them May 28 07:34:37 jacekowski: Yeah this bug is not very hard to detect (the settings window being all mangled :) May 28 07:34:38 Stskeeps: and there's some order to do so, and get a fixture, already in the tube May 28 07:35:07 tybollt: exactly May 28 07:35:38 tybollt: i have different bug May 28 07:35:40 DocScrutinizer: I was like to time my sending the unit in w/ my two week vacation abroad ;) May 28 07:35:51 tybollt: that i can't take call if i'm doing anything more cpu intensive May 28 07:35:56 tybollt: because phone goes all slow May 28 07:35:58 hmm May 28 07:36:00 tybollt: see, I can live with a semi-borked power switch that needs 90s of sensible twiddling to operate. I can't live without a N900 for another 3 weeks May 28 07:36:13 tybollt: and it takes like 20s to pick up a call May 28 07:36:23 DocScrutinizer: I entirely see your point... May 28 07:36:38 jacekowski: ouch :S May 28 07:37:06 that's why i'm starting to consider using normal phone without anything for phone purposes May 28 07:37:26 jacekowski: first use you get "set as default" popup May 28 07:37:29 I x:ed it May 28 07:37:43 jacekowski: how do I get it back? May 28 07:37:44 yeah May 28 07:37:56 while browsing, picking up a phonecall can take like 10-15s May 28 07:37:59 sometimes i almost miss them May 28 07:38:02 usually i manage tho May 28 07:38:02 tybollt: just use different sim card May 28 07:38:10 tybollt: and it will reappear May 28 07:38:10 UGH? May 28 07:38:10 I wonder if that 20s delay could be not because of lacking CPU, but rather paging in taking a lot of time? May 28 07:38:15 hm don't have any such issues generally May 28 07:38:33 flux: if phone is left doing nothing it takes less time May 28 07:38:37 jacekowski: awww, there is an option in the options windows for it - but it is greyed out - why? May 28 07:38:48 tybollt: i don't know May 28 07:39:02 GAN900: any news about qgil and the devel devs? (sounds like a kids movie, doesn't it? :-P) For jrbme I for sure * May 28 07:39:10 need* another device May 28 07:39:39 as that project includes letting the device sit and (dis)-charge for hours and days May 28 07:41:16 that's definitely something I'm not able to do with just one N900 available :-D May 28 07:42:13 well, bbl, flying to San Fransisco in like 6 hours, gonna grab some sleep May 28 07:42:36 * DocScrutinizer goes registering "qgil and the devel devs" for 'registerd trademark' May 28 07:43:34 i just can't believe he keeps sending them to me, it's well after the loan period May 28 07:43:38 <_< May 28 07:43:53 I do really want to keep working on porting that media player tho May 28 07:44:03 *sigh* May 28 07:44:08 flux: swapping is known to block the whole phone, even the stay-resident realtime scheduled processes May 28 07:44:10 am actually employed now so much less time May 28 07:44:28 rm_you, what media player? May 28 07:44:33 Quasar May 28 07:44:44 isn't it ported already? May 28 07:44:51 to n800 May 28 07:44:55 ah May 28 07:45:00 it's notoriously bad for pet project attention when you get employed :( May 28 07:45:00 so why are you getting n900? May 28 07:45:01 :P May 28 07:45:08 rofl May 28 07:45:09 DocScrutinizer: it's the same affliction that happens with normal Linux desktops May 28 07:45:09 i have an n800 May 28 07:45:10 but it' May 28 07:45:11 docscrutinizer, man, that sucks May 28 07:45:11 swap trashing May 28 07:45:15 it's kinda broken-ish too May 28 07:45:19 docscrutinizer, is it a driver issue or linux kernel issue? May 28 07:45:19 it shuts off a lot now randomly May 28 07:45:21 Ikarus: exactly May 28 07:45:26 like if i look at it funny, it turns off May 28 07:45:37 very genuine linux issue May 28 07:46:29 seems quite strange. I'd imagine the effect should be the same on PCs then as well. (is it?) May 28 07:46:30 probably the kswapd is running with too high priority May 28 07:46:51 flux: it is May 28 07:47:06 how cpu-expensive is accessing the swap's backend device? May 28 07:47:08 or was, some 3 years ago May 28 07:47:17 not checked since May 28 07:47:35 (too much ram since then :-P) May 28 07:48:05 apparently n900 is using swappiness at 100 instead of the linux default 60, so the nokia folks really want it to use swap for some reason May 28 07:48:27 Trewas: to swap stuff out before ram is needed May 28 07:48:34 Trewas: because swapping is expensive May 28 07:49:10 jacekowski: yes, swapping is expensive, so they want to do that a lot? :) May 28 07:49:24 when there are free resources to do so May 28 07:49:30 they want it be done early May 28 07:49:40 not when you need more ram ( which is ussualy when you need more cpu ) May 28 07:50:10 maybe that explains why it is so horribly slow when using transmission, it swaps everything out to make room for caching the transfered file May 28 07:50:17 rather questionable strategy though May 28 07:50:31 torrent on phone has to be slow by design May 28 07:50:39 it's cpu/io intensive May 28 07:50:55 1.2GHz celeron barely handles 10M/s May 28 07:51:11 slow was not a good word, "completely dead" would descripe the user experience better May 28 07:51:21 Trewas: that's expected May 28 07:51:40 Trewas: flash is slow May 28 07:51:44 Trewas: set proper configuration to limit amount of cache used by yoru bittorent client for checksum May 28 07:52:14 not exactly certain of bittorent client on n900 though May 28 07:53:37 Corsac: I am not actually regularly using torrents on n900, but I had to get the fringe season final and didn't have a real computer with me .) May 28 07:53:48 marmoute: emmc is slow May 28 07:54:06 fringe? May 28 07:54:11 that show is ... UGH May 28 07:54:12 marmoute: so that + torrent client == dead phone May 28 07:55:12 jacekowski: anyway shouldn't it be possible to just delete some .chromium folder someplace to get the question back? May 28 07:56:14 jacekowski: how much slow ? May 28 08:00:06 tybollt: you're talking about chromium May 28 08:00:13 of course I am o_O May 28 08:00:16 tybollt: oh, then just delete .chromium May 28 08:00:18 I always was May 28 08:00:20 haha May 28 08:00:22 ok thanks :) May 28 08:00:30 marmoute: very slow May 28 08:04:24 jacekowski: ah olrite so it does not work to have it set itself as the standard browser :) May 28 08:06:44 iirc in January I had a incident where I kept a youtube browser screen in background for half a day. On inbound call the whole machine bacame completely unresponsive after I tried to close the browser in taskswitcher which came up after 3min. took ~2h to recover May 28 08:07:18 yeah, that's annoying May 28 08:07:41 holla May 28 08:07:41 seen similar thing happen on 128MB and even 512MB P-II 300 maachines May 28 08:07:51 DocScrutinizer51: this _did not_ drain your battery? Impressive... May 28 08:08:06 DocScrutinizer51: that's OOM ussualy May 28 08:08:32 tybollt: for sure it did. but it's been prety charged prior to that May 28 08:09:59 hi May 28 08:10:39 is it possible to play-back the microphone input (via fm transmitter?!) May 28 08:11:43 skyscraper do you want to record radio? May 28 08:12:08 i think recall widget ca record from different sources May 28 08:12:20 DocScrutinizer51: that's what usually kills my device. I read online newspapers in the underground, then when I get home I sometimes just fold the keyboard in and pocket the device w/out closing microb, which is then sitting there reloading that newspaper every few minutes and draining away at the batt May 28 08:12:44 and then after an hour or three the device is dead although I left office/home w/ it fully charged May 28 08:12:52 i want to input external audio source from audio port - that playback on fm transmitter May 28 08:12:58 tybollt it's dangerous May 28 08:13:30 if n900 would read a lot of newspapers it would get samarter and can kill people May 28 08:13:48 tybollt: now add to that the known memleaking friggin flash and you are where catatony starts May 28 08:13:49 heh May 28 08:14:29 DocScrutinizer51: ugh flash :( May 28 08:15:09 skyscraper: I made fm-tx playback fmrx, so probably playback of mic is similarly possible May 28 08:15:21 speaking of - do you guys see the Goog initiative to rid us of flash (WebM) actually ridding us of flash anytime soon?= May 28 08:15:29 tybollt: youtube! May 28 08:15:48 youtubez olready comes in webM dun it? May 28 08:15:59 if you opt for the HTML5 version May 28 08:16:11 i think so May 28 08:16:34 docscrutinizer51 how did you do that? May 28 08:16:35 hello May 28 08:17:11 I'm totaly new to the n900. can someone recomend a list of interesting free software repositories? May 28 08:17:43 Try Extra May 28 08:17:54 topic has some May 28 08:18:17 Thanks May 28 08:18:18 jave: mozilla repo and then get firefox 1.2 May 28 08:18:19 * DocScrutinizer51 is waiting for somebody coming up 9847th time with the idea to sigstop all processes in background, which for obvious reasons is a bad idea May 28 08:18:52 DocScrutinizer51: Hey - praps if we SIGSTOP all the procs ina background - it'll be just fine? May 28 08:18:52 how did you made fmrx 2 fmtx?? May 28 08:18:54 also, id like to ssh to the n900 through usb May 28 08:19:01 * tybollt will soon get kicked - see you ;) May 28 08:19:42 Please it was a joke... May 28 08:20:47 skyscraper: sorry, for unknown reason N900 decide to go offline :-S May 28 08:20:59 np May 28 08:21:12 i'm online via n900 umts too :D May 28 08:21:46 skyscraper: I simply started FMRX then switched on fmtx, ignoring all warnings and "won't work with(out) cables plugged in" notifications May 28 08:22:19 (n900) yeah but this is WLAN here, same router this laptop is linked to May 28 08:22:33 probably neighbour's microwave oven May 28 08:22:38 hm. but i dont have a program which can playback mic. only recorder May 28 08:22:54 yep, that's your main problem May 28 08:23:09 try 'arecord|aplay' or sth like that May 28 08:23:27 maybe its possible to open mic device via gstreamer?! May 28 08:23:35 or that May 28 08:23:48 but dont know where mic is May 28 08:24:09 arecord -lL should help May 28 08:24:14 also alsamixer May 28 08:24:20 or amixer? May 28 08:24:25 n900 has pulseaudio. dont know anything about that May 28 08:24:29 tybollt, but the n900 has no WebM support currently so :P "rid you of" is subjective. Though n900 probably can't use most flash sites either now with no 10.1 May 28 08:24:34 alsa? thougt pulse?! May 28 08:25:09 skyscraper: at least the mixer settings are handled by alsamixer afaik May 28 08:25:24 you need a -c0 parameter iirc May 28 08:26:11 and there are similar cmdline tools to arecord and aplay for PA (don't ask me names) May 28 08:26:32 card 0: RX51 [RX51], device 0: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0 []n Subdevices: 1/1n Subdevice #0: subdevice #0ncard 0: RX51 [RX51], device 1: Bluetooth Bluetooth codec-I2S-1 []n Subdevices: 1/1n Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 May 28 08:26:47 think its the aic? May 28 08:26:54 yep May 28 08:28:55 I seem to remember this very usecase (mic -> FMTX) being discussed and put to work several times, here in IRC May 28 08:29:19 arecord cant pla May 28 08:29:20 y May 28 08:29:27 searchstring walkietalkie May 28 08:29:50 arecord is for record ;-D May 28 08:30:18 though actually arecord and aplay is the same executable, just with different names hardlinked May 28 08:30:41 so, im about to update to 1.2, how much freespace do i need in root? May 28 08:31:01 rumor has it you need 45MB May 28 08:31:09 maybe 48 May 28 08:31:21 i needed ca 45 mb May 28 08:31:25 i have 41 May 28 08:31:45 please see /topic May 28 08:31:49 but ota wont work if openarena installed May 28 08:31:57 i looked at the topic, but both those urls dont work for me May 28 08:32:12 hmm, 770 farm down for ointment May 28 08:32:26 DocScrutinizer: 'farm'? May 28 08:32:33 server farm May 28 08:32:42 you have a 770 server farm? :D May 28 08:32:53 that's nice :) May 28 08:33:11 tybollt: nah, don't you know nokia built maemo.org site with the remaining 770 ? May 28 08:33:15 hey, ssh to n900 was super simple! May 28 08:33:27 DocScrutinizer: :P May 28 08:33:56 jave: ? is ssh usualy very hard to use? May 28 08:34:23 tybollt: and every weekend they are stopped and get a drop of good mineral oil, so they don't start to screech May 28 08:34:29 nah was dead easy May 28 08:34:43 I'm impressed May 28 08:35:00 DocScrutinizer: >:) May 28 08:35:13 * DocScrutinizer suspects jave is a happy new N900 owner May 28 08:35:18 heh May 28 08:35:19 yay! May 28 08:35:27 DocScrutinizer: are there such - really? May 28 08:35:36 happy owners? :) May 28 08:35:42 obviously May 28 08:35:44 I had a freerunner, I'm easily imressed :) May 28 08:35:54 haha May 28 08:35:55 * DocScrutinizer hides :-P May 28 08:35:55 same May 28 08:36:02 jave: thats explain a lot May 28 08:36:21 I have 2 in fact May 28 08:36:40 I have 2 neo1973 May 28 08:36:42 need another dozen? XP May 28 08:36:48 lol May 28 08:36:49 but never tried to use them as normal phone May 28 08:37:08 wise May 28 08:37:09 just me or is planet maemo refusing to load the css? May 28 08:37:09 my wife wouldnt let me use it as a phone, so I had to get someting else May 28 08:37:16 wonder why.. May 28 08:37:16 :P May 28 08:37:17 frals: ack May 28 08:37:24 word is Freerunners are being shipped to africa for laying brick roads... May 28 08:37:45 i dont think the battery lasts long enough for that May 28 08:37:47 frals: borked since at least 18h May 28 08:37:52 i'd like having a freerunner May 28 08:37:53 doh May 28 08:38:00 tought luck they never imported those to .ru May 28 08:38:01 though for wiki here May 28 08:38:21 I stripped down one to use as a wrist computer May 28 08:38:29 got a bit hot though May 28 08:38:33 who is from n900 currently May 28 08:38:48 can anyone try to type symbol May 28 08:38:51 [2010-05-28 07:27:24] yep, looks exactly like missing/messed up css May 28 08:38:57 the one for bot command May 28 08:39:03 from ukrbd May 28 08:39:20 symbol? May 28 08:39:52 i can't type it cause i'm from n900 May 28 08:39:56 ~? May 28 08:40:01 yes May 28 08:40:08 this one May 28 08:40:12 just fn+sym to bring they virtual kb up May 28 08:40:18 and press it and then space May 28 08:40:20 ~ is called tilde May 28 08:40:29 trying in xchat it disappear May 28 08:40:46 you can change the key bindinds if you feel like editing a file May 28 08:40:54 ~hm May 28 08:40:55 I wonder... May 28 08:41:01 but try from ukbrd May 28 08:41:11 not the fn+ctrl May 28 08:41:12 ukbrd? May 28 08:41:18 ^ May 28 08:41:22 ukeyboard May 28 08:41:32 onscreenkeyboard May 28 08:41:35 oh May 28 08:41:35 ooh May 28 08:41:39 heh, ive never used that May 28 08:41:50 me neither May 28 08:42:05 it was pretty badly layed out May 28 08:42:20 i saw a pic of it May 28 08:42:30 ~woot May 28 08:42:32 \o/ May 28 08:42:39 õrly May 28 08:42:44 ~orly May 28 08:42:46 YARLY May 28 08:43:17 ~test hit twice works May 28 08:43:18 Testing hit twice works... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ May 28 08:44:02 DocScrutinizer, fixed the driver yet? :P May 28 08:44:24 ZogG_N900: hit tilde twice, ignore the blue one May 28 08:44:42 MohammadAG_: morning May 28 08:45:06 DocScrutinizer51: huhu, my sd is back May 28 08:45:16 but what is this blue one May 28 08:45:40 ZogG_N900: notification of deadkey entere May 28 08:45:43 d May 28 08:46:09 does --purge delete config files/savegames of openttd? May 28 08:46:14 enter e.g a n and you'll get ñ May 28 08:47:15 DocScrutinizer: i put the micro sd into an card reader and pulled it into an mac book. all data was there not deleted, i put it back to N900 nothing. I did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade some python thingies came in and hildon addons and some libs directly after flashing, and then it worked again May 28 08:47:59 strange May 28 08:47:59 zaheerm, ping May 28 08:48:10 TomaszD, pong May 28 08:48:48 ~~ May 28 08:48:49 extra, extra, read all about it, ~ is the key May 28 08:49:01 ghostcube: anyway apt-get upgrade is strongly deprecated May 28 08:49:21 didn't someone dist-upgrade and break his device? May 28 08:49:21 it is funny to do with pr1.2 May 28 08:49:41 i did it and phone/contacts/3g is not working May 28 08:49:59 -> NSU :) May 28 08:49:59 but the whole upgrade did install finally :) May 28 08:50:04 or flasher or whatever May 28 08:50:24 hm dont understand alsa :( May 28 08:50:43 ask questions May 28 08:51:24 /proc/asound seems to be interesting May 28 08:51:34 How can install a package from extras when it's both in extras and extras-devel? May 28 08:51:42 ok, so what is safe to delete on root to free up some space? May 28 08:51:57 skyscraper: so is pulseaudio May 28 08:52:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Psi May 28 08:52:07 now figure out how they relate May 28 08:52:28 Appiah: yeah, but wiki.maemo.org is down May 28 08:52:35 works for me May 28 08:52:39 not working here May 28 08:52:39 it's just no style May 28 08:52:47 just times out May 28 08:52:57 apt-get clean May 28 08:53:04 apt-get autoremove May 28 08:53:05 etc May 28 08:53:24 still 41mb May 28 08:53:28 http://pastebin.com/VYDr8s04 Psi May 28 08:53:30 here you go :D May 28 08:53:34 thanks May 28 08:54:01 dont understand anything only want a "bridge" between mic capture and playback device May 28 08:55:33 thats better, 54MB with extra-devel disabled May 28 08:55:35 morning DocScrutinizer51 May 28 08:55:42 * noobmonk3y prods MohammadAG_ May 28 08:55:53 hi, is there a rescue boot image for the N900? May 28 08:55:57 * MohammadAG_ throws frals at noobmonk3y May 28 08:56:09 Xexplorer, you mean flashing it? :) May 28 08:56:14 * noobmonk3y w00000ts May 28 08:56:31 What time is it in gmt+1 (+summertime)? maybe i've do smth with my clock.. May 28 08:56:54 DocScrutinizer51: on an debian system apt-get upgrade is not wanted o.O May 28 08:56:57 hm May 28 08:56:59 nvm May 28 08:57:00 almost 11am i'd say May 28 08:57:01 gmt+1 summer : 10:56 May 28 08:57:05 i always do apt-get for my updates May 28 08:57:09 no, i want a rescue image for playing with it May 28 08:57:13 ty skyscraper May 28 08:57:17 rescue image? May 28 08:57:18 german? May 28 08:57:25 you can have the flash image easily, not sure what you mean May 28 08:58:08 das deutschen are gestoomphen on ze maemo May 28 08:58:15 * noobmonk3y sticks a carrot up frals nose May 28 08:58:15 ja May 28 08:58:31 ach was May 28 08:58:33 -.- May 28 08:58:34 i used to live in hamburg :) May 28 08:59:03 :) hamburger royal ts May 28 08:59:07 iam hungry May 28 08:59:08 -.- May 28 08:59:10 lol May 28 08:59:11 i likes germany May 28 08:59:15 ui ne menge deutsche hier :d May 28 08:59:18 jo May 28 08:59:34 * noobmonk3y thinks infobot needs a hand from googletranslatebot May 28 08:59:35 ich bin hesse. un nix mehr May 28 08:59:49 ich bin pälzer also geh heim koch jüngling :P May 28 08:59:49 wenn mir jetzt noch einer helfen kann is er gut May 28 09:00:09 * noobmonk3y blinks May 28 09:00:19 lol such halt nen image mit ssh um immer aufs "900 zu kommen May 28 09:00:31 skyscraper: i have run a gstreamer script that echoes mic to speakers May 28 09:00:50 Xexplorer: hmm why not installing ssh server :) May 28 09:00:56 yeah nice! where is that script? May 28 09:01:11 and the commandline is in the #maemo logs. :) May 28 09:01:33 i wan't to have a second working small system May 28 09:01:48 anyone can explain to m, why its not good to use apt-get on an debian system, May 28 09:02:06 has anyone got samba server running? May 28 09:02:15 :O no would be cool where is it May 28 09:02:22 ghostcube: apparently the pr1.2 install doesnt use apt to set up scripts in the proper order/way May 28 09:02:40 aha, will this be changed ? May 28 09:02:50 Xexplorer nimm den programmmanager und installier den ssh sevrer?? May 28 09:03:00 hab ich doch schon gesagt ... May 28 09:03:03 das mag er nit May 28 09:03:05 dunno. i upgraded and broke a lot of stuff. irssi still works tho :) May 28 09:03:11 where oO May 28 09:03:24 hmmm iupgraded and broke nthing lol i reanabled my sd card May 28 09:03:25 :D May 28 09:03:34 Xexplorer: hmm why not installing ssh server :) May 28 09:03:38 da May 28 09:03:42 what ghostcube - phone works?? May 28 09:03:48 pupnik_: like charm May 28 09:03:52 3g 2g all May 28 09:03:56 pupnik_ dont you know the gstreamer command anymore? May 28 09:04:06 everything works fine, after an upgrade and an dist-upgrade May 28 09:04:07 das hab ich'aber wenn dich bei den bootscripten fehler baue muss ich ja trotzdem irgendwie aufs gerät kommen ohne zu flashen May 28 09:04:19 ghostcube gibs denn ne andere lösung für ssh?! oO May 28 09:04:25 i dont know it. just pupnik+gstreamer and maybe microphone May 28 09:04:35 skyscraper: normal nich May 28 09:04:42 lol May 28 09:04:58 ghostcube was er will geht nich May 28 09:05:07 halt nen 2. system booten um das 1. zu fixen May 28 09:05:10 i know, you know, he needs time to know :D May 28 09:05:20 zur bootzeit nen ssh haben?! May 28 09:05:25 Xexplorer: fail! du musst bei sonem hammer fehler neu flashen May 28 09:05:30 this is an english channel May 28 09:05:32 mach backup vorher aber nich auf die sd karte lol May 28 09:05:38 DocScrutinizer: sorry .. May 28 09:05:43 ghostcube: ja, naturlisch May 28 09:05:51 so its saying that all files in the device memory will be removed durning the update. Does that mean its going to wipe it? May 28 09:05:54 fürs 800 er gibts das May 28 09:06:08 lol May 28 09:06:22 Xexplorer: can you may talk english again May 28 09:06:28 DocScrutinizer51: is getting pissed May 28 09:06:29 :D May 28 09:07:00 install mer to sd card :p May 28 09:07:23 on N800 is a bootmanager and image to boot a rescue system to fix the main one May 28 09:07:34 use mer May 28 09:07:36 then you can but mer and fix your probs May 28 09:07:37 or fedora May 28 09:07:40 o.O no idea if this wqorking on N900 May 28 09:07:43 Hi May 28 09:07:44 thats what im looking for May 28 09:07:46 it is... May 28 09:08:29 *bootmanager May 28 09:08:36 xexplorer install n900 bootmanage3 and mer on sd May 28 09:08:58 ok i ll have a look on mer May 28 09:09:16 woah this new display keyboard drives me nuts May 28 09:09:21 -.- May 28 09:09:34 its very easy - im running it too@xexplorer May 28 09:10:29 ive installed mer and then lxde. looks nice May 28 09:10:39 tnx so far ill come back if it works, but ive not found a howto yet May 28 09:11:14 cya May 28 09:11:35 f... crashed microb May 28 09:11:53 ah yeah. there i can read maemo logs May 28 09:11:56 pupnik_ May 28 09:12:22 i couldnt find it skyscraper May 28 09:12:54 ovi update up? May 28 09:12:59 :( May 28 09:13:11 weird. IRC working fine, HTTP not giving me anything May 28 09:13:22 And DNS looks to be working OK May 28 09:13:55 close and reopen browser doesn't help? May 28 09:13:56 And *.maemo.org isn't responding to pings at all... May 28 09:14:15 and all web sites do the same? May 28 09:14:16 nonetheless, pupnik wishes dneary a nice day May 28 09:14:20 maybe under another nick @ pupnik May 28 09:14:35 pupnik_, Thanks May 28 09:14:39 Mmmm. May 28 09:14:44 Just looks broken May 28 09:14:53 really weird that IRC is working May 28 09:15:32 * tybollt hands dneary a cupa joe... this gone be a bad day to be dneary - eh? :) May 28 09:15:53 or mayber@ #maemo-devel? May 28 09:15:54 tybollt, Nah May 28 09:16:05 or whoever handles the site... May 28 09:16:06 :) May 28 09:16:07 tybollt, It's always a good day to be me :) May 28 09:16:10 ;) May 28 09:16:36 It's not just *.maemo.org - just seems like some weird gateways stuff going on May 28 09:16:47 ah ok... May 28 09:16:50 And I guess I was lucky to connect to IRC servers before it fell over May 28 09:16:57 hosting cockup then? May 28 09:18:45 is tangogps in some repos? May 28 09:20:33 W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/mohammad/Desktop/ubuntu-chroot mount -t proc proc /proc <-- any ideas? May 28 09:21:47 jave: universe May 28 09:21:52 0.99.3+debian-2 0 May 28 09:21:53 700 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Packages May 28 09:22:35 hmmm did the PR1.2 include the turnbyturn ovi maps? May 28 09:22:47 no May 28 09:22:47 hrw: Thanks. how can I add universe from cmd line? my debian is a bit rusty May 28 09:22:58 Appiah: updated ovi maps, but !t-by-t May 28 09:23:07 maps got sat-view though May 28 09:23:11 umm May 28 09:23:11 sigh May 28 09:23:15 sure not May 28 09:23:15 jave: you mean repository? May 28 09:23:21 jacekowski: ye May 28 09:23:24 can someone post their rootfs 1k block size? May 28 09:23:31 jave: edit /etc/apt/sources.list May 28 09:23:38 ok May 28 09:23:42 jave: add it using app manager May 28 09:24:02 mine's 232868, but someone has it as 233344, which bugs me a bit May 28 09:24:23 jave: use appmanager to add repos May 28 09:25:11 MohammadAG: / size will vary somewhat due to factory bad blocks May 28 09:25:31 233224 here May 28 09:25:33 SpeedEvil, and I suppose that can't be fixed right? May 28 09:27:28 MohammadAG: no May 28 09:28:22 "GSM Arena has announced MeeGo 1.0..." <-- the way some users word their threads amazes me May 28 09:28:52 MohammadAG: jaja that's for netbooks May 28 09:29:00 burrrps May 28 09:29:05 n900 meego image got something other then xterminal? May 28 09:29:06 but they didnt announce it May 28 09:29:21 tybollt, I know... May 28 09:29:35 tybollt, but Nokia announced their stuff, not some other site May 28 09:30:05 pupnik_: these days you announce via Jizzmodo and Enspanket May 28 09:30:34 MohammadAG: cat /sys/class/ubi/ubi0/bad_peb_count May 28 09:30:35 1 May 28 09:30:49 * Psi waits while phone updates May 28 09:30:51 4 May 28 09:31:06 MohammadAG: Shows the number of initially marked bad blocks. May 28 09:31:32 MohammadAG: It's specced at something like 25 max IIRC May 28 09:32:01 tybollt: getting old is weird. you stop caring about so many things. May 28 09:32:26 SpeedEvil, MohammadAG: 1 May 28 09:33:46 4 May 28 09:34:14 0 \o/ May 28 09:34:46 who's got less? May 28 09:34:58 DocScrutinizer51: amount of perfectly fine working pwrbuttons? :P May 28 09:43:34 yay, 0 here too May 28 09:45:31 silly game :-) May 28 09:45:54 0 May 28 09:45:55 :) May 28 09:46:14 pupnik_ st-launch autoaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink May 28 09:47:15 pupnik_: Wrong - The older I get, the more I care about the little things. And the big things too, come to think of it. May 28 09:47:18 *gst-launch May 28 09:48:04 i said OLD, phellarv May 28 09:48:06 argh! May 28 09:48:20 pupnik_: I'm old. May 28 09:48:23 fm tx wont work while on headset?! May 28 09:48:48 iam older o.o May 28 09:48:56 Hehe May 28 09:48:59 visit nursing home. document number of subjects they care about. get back to us May 28 09:50:47 skyscraper: allegedly not. but maybe the OS fails to enforce that restriction May 28 09:52:29 is there a way to restart browser daemon May 28 09:52:50 what does driver sd neds update mean in my dmesg backlogs o.O May 28 09:53:03 maybe the reason for my sd lose yesterday? May 28 09:53:10 ignore it, appears everywhere May 28 09:53:14 ghostcube: It's irrelevant. May 28 09:53:16 how do i get the application manager to work over wifi connection? May 28 09:53:18 thx May 28 09:53:30 the connection i use requires proxy with userame and password May 28 09:53:33 ghostcube: It means you need to submit a patch for the SD driver, but it's a really low priority. :) May 28 09:53:38 Mbere: Disconnect from your Mobile-connection? May 28 09:53:44 SpeedEvil: oki :) May 28 09:53:53 i can browse the net but i can't download anyting using the application manager May 28 09:54:17 you set an proxy for the inet connection in extended settings dialog? May 28 09:54:33 Mbere: Some Evil FW/Proxy thingabillybong inbetween then? May 28 09:54:39 can i force on fmtx? May 28 09:55:05 phellarv: yeah but where is the option of proxy username and password May 28 09:55:10 skyscraper: Probably - Something under /proc/* May 28 09:56:15 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3783 May 28 09:56:16 Bug 3783: Metabug about Applications ignoring Proxy settings May 28 09:56:23 see that Mbere May 28 09:56:51 Mbere: export http_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.net:port/ (And start HAM from xterm) May 28 09:57:00 woah .... for all eu inhabitants its OT but it makes you sick May 28 09:57:01 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7134077.ece May 28 09:57:04 -.- May 28 09:57:28 ahhh :( May 28 09:57:53 ghostcube: Err - no. May 28 09:58:10 -.- thats true May 28 09:58:12 ghostcube: Ipads are very comparatively inexpensive. May 28 09:58:26 but we buy them with our taxes for them May 28 09:58:32 its not the pad itself May 28 09:58:34 ghostcube: If 4m measurably improves performance - perhaps with some custom apps - it's a net win May 28 09:58:37 ghostcube: who cares about multitasking when you're a MEP anyway, your secretary handles it May 28 09:58:40 ;p May 28 09:58:44 :D May 28 09:58:51 but we pay it May 28 09:58:57 ghostcube: You are also implicitly arguing that they should do all secetarial work themselves too. May 28 09:59:16 ghostcube: Sometimes people are more efficient at their jobs with more stuff. May 28 09:59:18 ghostcube: and the move once in a while to strassburg May 28 09:59:19 :P May 28 09:59:25 ghostcube: yeah fuck that - that is outrageous :( May 28 09:59:35 iam an tax consultant i know about the eu MEP guys May 28 09:59:47 and i hate how they use my taxes May 28 09:59:53 -.- May 28 10:00:02 specially if they bring it stevie baby May 28 10:00:11 ghostcube: nevermind bruxxels <-> strasbourg... :-| May 28 10:00:15 hehe May 28 10:00:43 that is the worst part of EU all together... May 28 10:00:51 "< SpeedEvil> ghostcube: Ipads are very comparatively inexpensive." --> ROFL May 28 10:00:59 the 541897512387827482391758947189572389 EUR we spend each month to move between May 28 10:01:06 :D May 28 10:02:02 does the backup prog really only backup applications installed using HAM and not apt-get? May 28 10:02:15 Bluewind: Mmm May 28 10:02:16 SpeedEvil: iPad price is Half component half marging May 28 10:02:27 marmoute: Err - so? May 28 10:02:33 so where is my ovistore? May 28 10:02:45 marmoute: So are most successful devices. May 28 10:03:03 marmoute: Comparatively inexpensive, compared to an hours paid secetarial time. May 28 10:03:03 apple is an hype no one knows what caused it -.- May 28 10:03:04 ZogG_N900: It ran that way ------> May 28 10:03:07 SpeedEvil: so what do you mean by comparatively inexpensive ? May 28 10:03:15 but i knew that if the hype gets on the viruses will spread :D May 28 10:04:09 so far so good, update seems to have worked, its currently reinstalling all the apps May 28 10:04:12 doh, ipad margins are NOTHING like the iphone May 28 10:04:32 buying it from foxconn for $150, sell it for 500-600+ May 28 10:04:36 apple is making a killing May 28 10:04:46 killing is right May 28 10:04:55 they are working the people to death May 28 10:05:11 viva la apple May 28 10:05:19 Foxconn is killing people May 28 10:05:22 yeah newtons apple May 28 10:05:24 -.- May 28 10:05:30 DocScrutinizer: literally May 28 10:05:34 ^^^ May 28 10:05:36 yep May 28 10:06:22 but they got fences now on the windows, to stop that annoying habit of jumping out at the 5th floor May 28 10:06:49 Tbh - The Apple guys have lots of really cool and innovative ideas - But it's a terribly sad way of putting them into use. May 28 10:06:56 the arbitrary $100 price jump for every storage increase is fun too May 28 10:06:56 it so stupid to jump of 5th floor May 28 10:07:00 anyway Foxconn is bulding iPhones :-P May 28 10:07:13 considering that a 32 gb flash module costs what? 10 more dollars than a 16 one May 28 10:07:17 funny how this 'news' went viral May 28 10:07:46 i would jump from 1st floor :D May 28 10:08:02 pupnik_: and you don't care - please reitterate that - we didn't hear you the first time :P May 28 10:08:10 nah from garage to first floor May 28 10:08:14 so jump up May 28 10:08:15 :D May 28 10:08:16 DarkAvenger: You don't get to complain about this. May 28 10:08:23 i want shazam. and nokia has it btw May 28 10:08:31 DarkAvenger: Unless you bring to market a competing device cheaper. May 28 10:08:32 what are they waiting for ) May 28 10:08:50 im not complaining, just pointing it out May 28 10:09:12 speedevil there cheap chineephones May 28 10:09:34 ZogG_N900: generally not feature competitive. May 28 10:09:34 there are* May 28 10:10:07 ZogG_N900: Point me out one with flash, 32G, 256M, 600MHz omap... , 3g (or better) May 28 10:10:51 amm May 28 10:10:51 there was something on android May 28 10:10:53 there was post on tmo May 28 10:10:57 So, where can I change the color settings for the x terminal shipped with the n900? not just fg/bg but more like Xdefaults or something May 28 10:11:08 Shapeshifter, it doesn't sadly support those May 28 10:11:10 from phone so can't search for it May 28 10:11:27 shapeshifter config files May 28 10:11:30 Shapeshifter, someone needs to port over urxvt and make it work like osso-xterm with the stuff May 28 10:11:31 ZogG: Feature compatible also includes warranty May 28 10:11:46 ruskie: :/ I was thinking about porting urxvt but deb packaging is such a hassle May 28 10:11:52 speedevil oh sorry it was like ipad May 28 10:12:03 but there are phones too May 28 10:12:09 Shapeshifter, it would need more than just repackage May 28 10:12:30 speedevil so if it doesn't work i can complain? May 28 10:12:33 ruskie: why? there's an ARM debian package May 28 10:12:34 ZogG: I've never seen a comparable phone from china. Even neglecting the whole linux thing. May 28 10:12:49 ZogG: Or if it stops working in 9 months, you can get it fixed free. May 28 10:12:58 Shapeshifter, you lack a menu, a quick access bar for those all important missing keys May 28 10:13:02 guys a question, is skype video call only working if both do have a cam o.O May 28 10:13:28 i wonder who makes the first chatroulette n900 app May 28 10:13:29 ;p May 28 10:13:41 will he be banned for lifetime? May 28 10:13:50 all eternity May 28 10:14:00 speedevil that is one thing. u can tell abot anyphone. iphone got to my country officially not too long ago. there were no way to repair before May 28 10:14:21 ruskie: the only onscreen key I use regularly is TAB and that can be bound to something May 28 10:15:09 tybollt: i meant it as an observation on how older people begin to focus. maybe a techniqa May 28 10:15:12 Shapeshifter: it is bound to ctrl+i by default :P May 28 10:15:15 and maybe esc May 28 10:15:15 ue to learn May 28 10:15:44 any idea why N900`s default browser stopped working after PR 1.2 upgrade? May 28 10:16:00 Shapeshifter, | > pgup/pgdn ~ sticky ctrl and tab May 28 10:16:05 ctrl+i in xchat separete tabs in separete windows ) May 28 10:16:07 strcpy: because timeless_mbp don't like you. May 28 10:16:08 Shapeshifter, I guess you didn't do much with terminals May 28 10:16:20 strcpy: what do you mean by "stop working" ? May 28 10:16:33 strcpy: I have some refresh issue but It's still usable. May 28 10:16:51 firefox works like before, but trying to open default browser leads to minor cpu spike and then nothing May 28 10:17:09 strcpy: how did you upgrade ? May 28 10:17:11 strcpy: are you using something stupid like browserswitchboard? May 28 10:17:47 what I did recently bricked phone , flashed maemo firmware > updated by nokia software update . May 28 10:17:58 strcpy: Open X-Term - Run browser - See output May 28 10:18:28 so i guess N900 can't do X rotation that well. browser portrait scrolling still as choppy as in 1.1 May 28 10:18:29 strcpy: Open X-Term - Write "browser" - Press Enter - See output May 28 10:18:31 yea seems on switchboard, cus "browser" outputs switchborad is already running May 28 10:18:39 Mmm May 28 10:18:44 i have an eye for these things... even the slightest screen tearing bothers me ;/ May 28 10:19:22 why does programm manager not show the same updates as apt-get upgrade ? May 28 10:19:31 has been since 1.1.1 here May 28 10:19:46 killing switchboard process won`t either help May 28 10:20:03 ruskie: I have a dozen terminals open on my pc ^^ I have pgup/pgdown on fn-up/fn-down, | on fn-c, [] on shift-up/shift-down on my n900. what do you need sticky ctrl for? modal hotkeys work without that May 28 10:20:08 microb opens,cpu spike, & death.. May 28 10:20:11 what is switchboard May 28 10:20:26 apt-get remove --purge browser-switchboard May 28 10:21:13 phellarv: isn`t switchboard default app provided on firmware? May 28 10:21:21 ruskie: you can fix any of that with some xkbmap tweaking May 28 10:21:24 strcpy: Nope May 28 10:21:36 DarkAvenger, however do you cope on desktop? on every machine i have flash video tears horribly May 28 10:21:37 so where do it come from ? installing firefox? May 28 10:21:55 Shapeshifter, not an option May 28 10:22:15 strcpy: 3.2-1fremantle1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages) May 28 10:22:29 ruskie: it would be an option for me, hence a simple port would be enough. maybe I should give it a try tonight May 28 10:22:39 lcuk with nvidia vsync enabled, compiz vsync enabled, and the other gl sync option which i cant remember enabled i get no tearing May 28 10:22:47 Shapeshifter, repackaging isn't really a problem though May 28 10:23:07 lucky you :) when im playing with my toys on maemo i also get no tearing May 28 10:23:31 strcpy: Correct - Fennec wants browser switchboard May 28 10:23:32 its only portrait browsing on maemo May 28 10:24:32 phellarv, thanks for your comment. it solved the problem :) May 28 10:25:49 I've another issue after upgrade. although extra-protocol support for telepathy installed and I`m using it, May 28 10:26:13 but while update or APT works, I`m still getting dependency errors about it`s failure in "--configure" May 28 10:26:17 let me pastebin it May 28 10:27:24 phellarv, http://pastebin.com/G8XaejXT May 28 10:29:52 X-Fade: static.maemo.org seems borked May 28 10:33:11 strcpy: apt-get -f install May 28 10:33:26 DarkAvenger: tried opera? May 28 10:34:28 Hi ! May 28 10:34:35 yo Khertan_atWork May 28 10:34:39 no but i will May 28 10:34:46 phellarv, tryed it before. not help May 28 10:34:50 ~seen noobmonk3y May 28 10:34:51 noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-180-16-221.range86-180.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 35m 41s ago, saying: 'lol'. May 28 10:35:15 heya crashanddie ! May 28 10:35:42 phellarv, result : http://pastebin.com/MMrHS6gT May 28 10:36:22 Shapeshifter, https://repo.codemages.net/opt/rxvt-unicode_7.9-2_armel.deb no perl rebuilt... try it out May 28 10:42:29 strcpy: dpkg --configure account-plugin-salut May 28 10:43:25 hi, I want to port maemo on my beagleboard C3. suggest some links, guide May 28 10:44:00 BT_: omappedia.org May 28 10:44:50 ruskie: nice, but there's a problem with installing it: short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./opt/maemo/usr/bin/urxvtd') May 28 10:45:28 ruskie: (error processing) May 28 10:47:00 hi,how can i share my 3g connection from my n900 to my macos ? May 28 10:47:15 dridkuser: hotspot May 28 10:47:24 doesn't joikuspot exist for n900? May 28 10:48:03 Wolfie: it costs money and doesn't do anything more then hotspot does May 28 10:48:23 hotspot makes n900 hot! May 28 10:48:27 hotspot? is it an app? May 28 10:48:31 (as would jokiospot) May 28 10:48:32 yes May 28 10:48:37 alright May 28 10:48:45 where ? May 28 10:48:46 out of devel/testing? May 28 10:49:12 i cannot find it in my repository May 28 10:49:38 I think it's in extras-testing May 28 10:49:45 aww :/ May 28 10:49:50 im looking for May 28 10:50:03 http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ May 28 10:50:22 err - no May 28 10:51:01 hm, well this sucks May 28 10:51:07 extradevel May 28 10:51:30 when there are multiple updates avaialble, and there's a list of stuff to upload, i would've expected to select those I want, and then just press "update" for all of them May 28 10:51:39 now i must update either all, or each individually May 28 10:52:06 ...and once it's updated one, it does some kind of checking and locks the ui for a moment May 28 10:52:26 Add a bug! May 28 10:52:31 Adding bugs is fun! May 28 10:52:40 i respectfully disagree May 28 10:52:41 (Though search to see if it exists first) May 28 10:52:50 (i.e. i can't be bothered to create yet another username) May 28 11:21:24 is ther an Emacs for n900 in some repos? May 28 11:22:53 yes May 28 11:22:57 n900 only allows one OS at a time :( May 28 11:23:09 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qemacs/0.3.1.cvs.20050713-7f/ May 28 11:23:22 thresh: apple allows only one app at one time :P May 28 11:23:59 I get google hits of ppl running a proper emacs on n900, I just didnt see if it was packaged May 28 11:24:04 Shapeshifter, no problem here May 28 11:24:22 Shapeshifter, I did install it from the repo not manually download it May 28 11:24:30 ill suppose ill have to set up a build chain May 28 11:26:11 apt-get install emacs does not work May 28 11:27:57 Shapeshifter, but anyway a few issues: can't scroll up, paste, no special chars easily available May 28 11:28:06 apt-cache search ".*emacs.*" May 28 11:28:06 mksh - enhanced version of the Korn shell May 28 11:28:06 erlang-tools - Erlang/OTP various tools May 28 11:28:09 huh? May 28 11:30:21 mksh? make shell? :D May 28 11:30:48 getting error when I do sb-conf st maemo-beagle -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 -d cputransp:perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t qemu-arm-cvs-m May 28 11:30:59 mkfs, mkdir, mktemp, mksh May 28 11:31:11 no such devkit: cputransp May 28 11:32:48 jave: http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B8%E6%922%E5%A4%96%EFC%9AGNU%20Emacs%20for%20Nokia%20N900.html May 28 11:32:56 err google yourself May 28 11:33:21 its packaged but not in the repos May 28 11:35:18 ntx May 28 11:35:23 Thanks May 28 11:35:43 in EasyDebian you have emacs too May 28 11:36:26 what music is #maemo listening too this morning? May 28 11:36:59 the sound of some computer fans here :P May 28 11:37:06 I am listening to Prince and Lady Gaga. May 28 11:37:07 lcuk: gogol bordello May 28 11:37:07 :P May 28 11:37:11 NiN - Closer? May 28 11:37:38 Crystal Method May 28 11:37:47 dimu borgir? May 28 11:37:52 any help for no such devkit: cputransp May 28 11:38:03 Also, Bowie, Blackbox recorder, and Florence and the Machine May 28 11:38:32 i have Eat Static - Implant on atm May 28 11:38:40 ruskie: I'll have a look at it later May 28 11:38:46 ruskie: thanks for your effort though! May 28 11:38:52 anyone using mobilehotspot on pr1.2 May 28 11:38:55 ? May 28 11:39:01 BT_, scratchbox-devkit-cputransp May 28 11:39:01 apt-get purge cherry <-- DO NOT WANT May 28 11:39:05 .. dont want to brock my device again May 28 11:39:05 install OUTSIDE scratchbox May 28 11:39:10 and then you can add it to your config May 28 11:39:23 Shapeshifter, if you can get those things working using the physical keyboard I'll be interested May 28 11:40:02 hi again ! May 28 11:40:13 * SpeedEvil puts on Material World. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qyyb - not madonna) May 28 11:40:23 lcuk: amon amarth - versus the world May 28 11:40:26 ruskie: what bindings? .. i mean the physical keyboard is quite easily configureable May 28 11:40:36 Khertan_atWork, :D May 28 11:41:33 the next is : die apokalyptischen reiter - human end May 28 11:41:53 cehteh, so how can I get the keys for: ~ > < | pgup/pgdn there? May 28 11:43:48 ruskie: well I said earlier that I have fn-up/down == pgup/pgdown, fn-c ==|, shift-up/down == [/], shift-left/right == May 28 11:44:05 ruskie: if you don't want [] you could bind shift-up t~ for example May 28 11:44:13 *to ~ May 28 11:44:37 I also have fn-left/right == Home/End btw May 28 11:44:40 I'm getting upgrade your Nokia N900 ti enter Ovi Store every time I open ovi store, even though I'm on PR1.2 is this normal? May 28 11:45:13 tgalal: How did you upgrade? May 28 11:45:23 X-Fade, NSU May 28 11:45:48 tgalal: Ok, that should be fine. May 28 11:46:09 hmm so basically without VAT nokia cost me with the 1.2 upgrade 0.0696 eur due to MyNokia SMSes May 28 11:47:23 Does the ovi store still have no paid content? May 28 11:47:32 Or am I accessing an old version somehow May 28 11:48:15 luck ; i have added cputansp in devkit folder May 28 11:48:24 now getting different error May 28 11:48:41 SpeedEvil: last time I checked there were some wallpapers for 2eur (who would buy a darn bad pic for that price anyway?) May 28 11:49:14 sb-conf No such cpu-transparency method qemu-arm-cvs-m May 28 11:50:02 chem|st: well - yes - those May 28 11:51:13 trying EasyDebian now May 28 11:51:34 this upgrade is a pain... please someone shoot the guy who said it is ready to be released May 28 11:52:03 X-Fade, so why is it not detecting my pr1.2 May 28 11:52:25 tgalal: No idea. May 28 11:52:48 tgalal: hide user agent? May 28 11:53:01 tgalal: did you try store.ovi.mobi directly? May 28 11:53:06 hello everybody May 28 11:53:36 X-Fade, yeah it's saying my phone is not supported yet May 28 11:53:50 chem|st, I've got this app, but it's saying my user agent is not customized May 28 11:53:58 i have some issues with hildon. After a while icon launchers stop working May 28 11:54:08 chem|st, oh it is customized ! May 28 11:54:13 i have to restart to get them to work again May 28 11:54:27 tgalal: would you mind to stand in that corner for a while please? May 28 11:54:49 chem|st, lol my bad May 28 11:54:53 also Desktop command execution widget does the same May 28 11:54:57 working now May 28 11:55:38 anyone had this issue? May 28 11:57:19 Shapeshifter, well I could live without € and pound signs so that would be | ~... and binding pgup/dn to fn up/dn and < > to fn left/right got any info on playing with that? May 28 11:58:06 now after a restart i get no launchers and all desktop command exec widgets are empty May 28 11:58:17 ruskie, I have made changes like that. May 28 11:59:17 ruskie, You he file rx-51need to esit t May 28 11:59:45 ruskie, Sorry - you need to edit the file rx-51 . May 28 12:01:32 ruskie, in /sur/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr May 28 12:04:03 * ruskie tries to remember what key names there are... May 28 12:09:00 * ruskie wonders how people modified the arrow key bindings May 28 12:10:14 ruskie, there are options there as well May 28 12:10:31 ruskie, get the russian layotu and check it, they have letters on arrows as well May 28 12:10:45 * ZogG xmms2> Gorillaz - Cloud of Unknowing (feat. Bobby Womack and Sinfonia ViVA) ["Plastic Beach" 2010] May 28 12:10:50 great album May 28 12:14:54 is this the new gorillaz album? May 28 12:15:05 ah yes, i think the old one has better songs May 28 12:17:45 lcuk: what's worse for your health, eating 68 strips of bacon, or a milkshake? May 28 12:18:07 at the moment i cant have either May 28 12:18:15 too much sugar and crunchiness :'( May 28 12:18:26 and i keep smelling bacon May 28 12:18:38 lcuk: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64Q47A20100527 May 28 12:18:56 lcuk: a milkshake so rich it has the same caloric content as 68 strips of bacon :P May 28 12:19:48 bacon sounds preferable, tastes better i bet May 28 12:20:04 blended bacon-shake mmm May 28 12:20:05 any idea how to sync the calendar of my n900 with my deskop pc? May 28 12:20:22 syncevolution May 28 12:21:59 how does that work? May 28 12:22:20 do i need bluetooth? May 28 12:22:28 hmm wth are thehttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40278&highlight=syncevolution May 28 12:22:32 corecode, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40278&highlight=syncevolution May 28 12:22:35 ups May 28 12:23:32 ah, syncml server May 28 12:24:28 or use nokia pc suite on windows May 28 12:24:54 beuh. May 28 12:25:39 ghostcube, there are great song here May 28 12:26:41 crashanddie i would eat bacons and drink milkshake after May 28 12:28:55 lcuk: "does it blend?" May 28 12:29:36 :D May 28 12:30:55 hmm well custom keymap still doesn't bring me usable shift+pgup/pgdn May 28 12:30:58 I'd like to put mentorgraphics musb core to that test May 28 12:31:15 and odly doublf fn in urxvt won't lock fn May 28 12:31:17 preferrably together with the head who wrote it May 28 12:31:56 ruskie have you reboted? May 28 12:32:00 rebooted? May 28 12:32:10 roboted May 28 12:32:14 ZogG, yup May 28 12:32:42 robotniks! May 28 12:32:50 ruskie: from sourcemage right ? May 28 12:32:52 ZogG, I'll have to examine the Xdefaults... maybe I can define a few other key combos for the stuff I want May 28 12:32:55 E0x, bingo May 28 12:33:02 :D May 28 12:33:15 * ruskie is amazed so many people are starting to know him May 28 12:33:28 sourcemage still alive ? May 28 12:33:28 ruskie, there is also package hebrew maps, it add hebrew as 3rd language - check it as well May 28 12:33:46 E0x, yup May 28 12:33:49 cool May 28 12:34:09 ZogG, well the keys I bound work... but not what I was expecting May 28 12:34:10 ruskie, i'm using only english - thinking to set other language as h4k3r5 language - just with special symbols =) May 28 12:34:20 ZogG, I get | and ~ and < > May 28 12:34:37 I also think I get pgup/pgdn(need to recheck this) May 28 12:34:43 ruskie, check the package i told you =) what does it do May 28 12:35:00 but I also want to be able to do shift+pgup/pgdn so I can scroll the terminal May 28 12:35:16 ruskie, you can't i think May 28 12:35:27 ZogG, urxvt not osso-xterm ;) May 28 12:35:30 shift cancells special char May 28 12:36:00 well would help if I could fn lock it May 28 12:36:01 ruskie, you can if you set pgdwn as primary =) May 28 12:36:20 yes, why fn dont get lock everywhere May 28 12:36:28 ruskie, doesn't matter - it cancel - try fn lock and shift some blue symbol - what does it do? May 28 12:36:40 E0x, it does but shift cancel it May 28 12:36:46 I'll play with that more at home May 28 12:36:50 ifI remember that is ;) May 28 12:37:02 * ruskie tends to forget his devices over the weekend most of the time May 28 12:37:20 and amazing the n900 will last through the weekend on battery May 28 12:37:28 at times won't even be in the red on monday morning May 28 12:37:31 ruskie, as i said - just add another language where up is pgdwn and all letters are special characters and blue more special, just for terminal =) May 28 12:38:00 is there a quick switch? May 28 12:38:02 n900 is a great device just need a software polish but not much May 28 12:38:04 just a bit May 28 12:38:14 it needs a lot of sw polish imo May 28 12:38:20 na May 28 12:38:23 not that much May 28 12:38:25 ruskie, languages? ctrl+space May 28 12:38:27 it should be possible to upgrade using apt-get without breakage May 28 12:39:20 E0x, it needs more integration - that you can integrate programs with official, for example to ability to add fmms in conversation or add scripts in menu of file manager and so on May 28 12:40:04 it needs to stop thinking it's users are kids and let them have full access to everything(through the file dialogs) May 28 12:40:57 the intent do it with meego May 28 12:40:59 unlike symbian atleast on linux there is some sane semblance of what goes where... May 28 12:41:01 fix that May 28 12:41:14 but i like more meamo May 28 12:41:26 not cryptinc 35ab5ac55 dirs that nobody knows what belongs there May 28 12:41:51 ruskie, it's to send info about you to nokia May 28 12:42:05 so we don't get ovi store yet? =) May 28 12:42:48 arg, no en_DK locales so i could get iso8601 date/time formats May 28 12:42:48 store.ovi.com/content/26397?clickSource=homepage - WTF is that? May 28 12:43:14 ZogG, apt-get purge $(cat oviremovelist nokiamaps adobe skype modest ezitext cherry and others) May 28 12:43:21 jaska, yeah I'd like that as well May 28 12:44:05 what is this rollercoaster game i read about :D May 28 12:44:05 ç”Ÿæ—¥å¿«ä¹ - è‡´æœ‹å‹ - MMS - what is that? and it cost 1 EUR May 28 12:44:08 or atleast a way to define the formats May 28 12:44:28 ghostcube, check the youtube, it looks awesome May 28 12:44:52 is it available so far for the n900? May 28 12:45:07 ghostcube, multiple devices have that as side scroller version, it's fun game even that way May 28 12:45:20 ghostcube, not available yet May 28 12:45:26 ok :) thx May 28 12:45:30 "soon, not yet" May 28 12:45:47 i kind of wished it to come this week, but clock is ticking May 28 12:46:56 ghostcube it's aviable on N900 as other apps but they are not in public, i mean Nokia or dev company has it, but you can't get it =) May 28 12:47:28 i was waiting for pr1.2 in hope nokia convert some symbian QT programs to maemo. NoGo May 28 12:48:39 is there a way for maemo to not connect to a wifi network unless it needs to? May 28 12:49:07 since my update to the latest firmware , the mail for exchange fails to synchronize with my google calender.... May 28 12:49:29 loufoque yes, there is option May 28 12:49:55 lets collect all our N900s and build the house of them =) May 28 12:50:01 ZogG: where? May 28 12:50:23 loufoque internets or connections - there is option to check wifis - set it to never May 28 12:51:11 ZogG, make a whole wall of them and use the cameras to make the wall transparent May 28 12:51:27 loufoque, setting → internet connections → connect automaticlly and Search interval May 28 12:51:39 lcuk nice idea =) May 28 12:51:57 lcuk, are you happy that you bought it? =) May 28 12:52:07 bought what? May 28 12:52:25 okay you got it for free ­— so you are happy =) May 28 12:52:27 ZogG: any reason I shouldn't set this to never? May 28 12:52:55 loufoque, if you want to get autoconnection when it's aviable May 28 12:53:07 ZogG, :) of course i'm happy, maemo rox and is the most accessible mobile OS anywhere May 28 12:53:39 ZogG: isn't it just a waste of battery to connect to wifi if I don't use it? May 28 12:53:49 and actually getting my name in the changelogs for it is an immensely proud feeling :) May 28 12:54:54 lcuk accessible for what? May 28 12:55:53 for anything :) x11 allows people to write their apps using the tools they are happiest with May 28 12:55:57 back again May 28 12:56:19 lcuk meh, don't see a lot of apps =) May 28 12:56:24 have the same problem: May 28 12:56:47 FM-Transmitter active and Headphones - incompatible?! -.- May 28 12:57:01 Skyscraper, same as? May 28 12:57:10 Skyscraper was it bug? May 28 12:57:20 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7591 looks like theres a bug for the missing locale May 28 12:57:22 Bug 7591: locale en_DK isn't installed May 28 12:57:39 ZogG the same problem as 3 hours ago :D May 28 12:57:46 ZogG, meh it would be simple to release apps like candy, just package up simple websites and away you go May 28 12:57:57 trying to steam the headset microphone input via fm transmitter May 28 12:58:20 Ah, Nokia, the company of delays. May 28 12:58:30 lcuk there are a lot of games and usefull apps on iphone except what you are talking about May 28 12:58:48 who said anything about iphone? May 28 12:58:54 * GAN900 somehow didn't get a full charge last night. May 28 12:58:55 already found a solution for playback microphone input... but now i have the next problem: fm transmitter wont work when headphones connected... dont know why... - maybe possible to "hack"? May 28 12:59:00 lcuk, okay android =) May 28 12:59:05 or android? May 28 12:59:28 Skyscraper, as you mic is in headphones now? =) May 28 13:00:04 or do you equate those platforms as having crappy webpages wrapped into "apps" as the norm ;) May 28 13:00:10 lcuk, there are 2 main other OSs like maemo and for devices for price and similar for n900 May 28 13:00:37 ZogG i've connected the included headphones... have mic inclusive... - and i can do it, that i can hear myself in the headset speakers... - but i CANT get the fm tx on May 28 13:00:47 lcuk, there are millions of apps for them and even 99% are websites - still that 1% is more than we have =) May 28 13:01:11 loufoque: Connecting to a powersaving wlan uses about .1% of battery per hour May 28 13:01:17 Skyscraper, have no idea man. sorry May 28 13:01:26 ;( May 28 13:01:33 ZogG, have you released any apps? May 28 13:01:36 SpeedEvil, what is powersaving wlan? May 28 13:01:45 lcuk, not a programmer =( May 28 13:01:49 ZogG: A wan that implements powersaving. May 28 13:01:53 ZogG: wlan May 28 13:02:08 SpeedEvil, is it from host side? May 28 13:02:08 ZogG, dont let that stop you May 28 13:02:17 ZogG: With powersaving turned off - the wlan uses around 20%/hour of battery. May 28 13:02:26 get involved with some other apps May 28 13:02:29 ZogG: Powersaving is a setting in the connections dialog. May 28 13:02:34 i hear the fart app is looking for sound effecst May 28 13:02:37 ZogG: Per connection. May 28 13:02:48 isnt there multiple settings for it May 28 13:02:50 ZogG: It requires the router to support it to work well. May 28 13:03:03 ZogG see here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/FM_Transmitter_API_Usage - means that, that i need a hacked firmware? May 28 13:03:17 lcuk, i know - it sounds like whining, and i would agree as N900 is new and maemo is new, but still, i'm the user. i pay money for something. for example there are some progrs for N900 nokia has (on youtube they show) but you can't get them May 28 13:03:18 So, real device emulation available now. Cool! May 28 13:03:33 it looks like we are polygon for the tests =) May 28 13:03:34 ZogG: With my router, and powersaving set to max - I get >140 hours standby May 28 13:03:55 ZogG: able to login over ssh, or ping the phone with under 500ms delay May 28 13:04:12 SpeedEvil, didn't know that, but there are so many connections in the city as well when it search for connection it takes power. May 28 13:04:24 ZogG, mmm you mean the ovi stuff May 28 13:04:39 SpeedEvil, i have router and don't mind to stay connected without powersaving ) May 28 13:04:40 ZogG: That does not happen if you're logged into a router. May 28 13:04:47 hmm, is it just me, or is 1.2 feels generally slower... May 28 13:04:50 rollercoaster etc - i heard that was meant to be out/coming any time now? May 28 13:04:58 lcuk, nope. i mean shazam, new announced games and other apps May 28 13:05:00 pigeon, if you have just updated its probably you May 28 13:05:02 Staying connected to a router with powersaving off will take about 1/6th battery life per hour. May 28 13:05:06 tracker is likely scanning media May 28 13:05:16 ZogG, then contact the developers? May 28 13:05:32 lcuk, nokia? =)) May 28 13:05:36 haha dead end May 28 13:05:36 X-Fade, "Here's what it feels like to own this thing we're not supporting anymore." ? *eg* May 28 13:05:50 still didnt get answer about flash 10 =) May 28 13:06:14 lcuk: hmm May 28 13:06:20 GAN900, where is it from? May 28 13:06:22 like the ui and stuff May 28 13:06:23 GAN900: Put down that glass of negativism ;) May 28 13:06:34 SpeedEvil: interesting. What about 3G, how much does it use? May 28 13:07:07 loufoque: To be inactive - almost nothing. Otherwise _lots_. May 28 13:07:09 just got a "hildon-home is not responding" too May 28 13:07:15 lcuk, as well i don't need to promote my phone, Nokia should. it's not that they sell hardware. May 28 13:07:26 How do I get a battery percentage in the console? May 28 13:07:36 lshal|grep batt May 28 13:07:59 loufoque: 1s pings - with the screen off - use around 15% of battery per hour May 28 13:08:00 frals, where did you get this info about 100 000 n900 sold =) May 28 13:08:03 lshal|grep battery.charge_level.percentage May 28 13:08:07 I have the N900 hanging after flashing PR1.2 whenever I try to edit the desktop settings (hang when I press the "Done" button on the top right). Does that ring any bell? May 28 13:08:22 SpeedEvil, have you measured all this =) May 28 13:08:26 rdorsch: yeah I have that one as well May 28 13:08:26 ZogG: engadget May 28 13:08:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption May 28 13:08:29 yes May 28 13:08:41 I need to better organise that page. May 28 13:08:46 tybollt: what do you do? I restart the device.... May 28 13:08:47 frals, gonna read May 28 13:08:54 frals: is 1000000 much or? May 28 13:09:00 tybollt: do you have a better way to get out of it? May 28 13:09:14 rdorsch: I can usually "click" my way out of it May 28 13:09:30 tybollt: first quote which polluted the media was 100k devices sold in 5months, correction was 100k in first five weeks May 28 13:09:31 What do you click on? May 28 13:09:48 frals: again - isat much or? May 28 13:10:02 hello, Media player source code is not available, right? May 28 13:10:17 frals: How many 3gS were sold during same timeframe? May 28 13:10:27 frals: You diddn't push a new version of fmms since the update for 1.2? May 28 13:10:38 SpeedEvil: i did, unfortunately :P May 28 13:11:06 lcuk: i updated last night, but since then i feel the ui is generally slower. May 28 13:11:07 im having issues with the pidgin-otr plugin. it worked before but since reinstalling after upgrading to 1.2 it gives and invalid length error May 28 13:11:13 tybollt: comparing with 3gs is a null point in my eyes, but i have no idea May 28 13:11:14 100k in 5 weeks sounds mostly like production line ramp-up and capacity planning limitation mostly May 28 13:11:24 frals: Well May 28 13:11:35 frals: just throwing out numbers is useless May 28 13:11:36 anyone else use that plugin or know what is wrong or know the package maintainer May 28 13:11:43 pigeon, check with htop and see if anything is getting in your way May 28 13:11:44 frals: you have to compare it to SOMETHING May 28 13:11:49 tybollt: it was RE: an article on engadget May 28 13:12:26 url May 28 13:12:27 ? May 28 13:12:33 engadget.com probably May 28 13:12:33 :p May 28 13:12:34 great to compare with iphone of course as apple is media darling and they have only one product per product category at a time May 28 13:12:41 SpeedEvil: I'm not sure I understand. So 3G uses nothing without a data connection established, but 15% with one? May 28 13:12:48 tybollt comparing to iphone it's nothing but comparing to n1 is a lot, but it's not actuall numbers - read the artice =) May 28 13:12:56 comparing with amount of nokia smartphones produced over the same time period would be more informative May 28 13:13:03 loufoque: No - 3G with no data passing over the data connection is very lightweight May 28 13:13:15 loufoque: But if you use that data connection - at all - then it's really not. May 28 13:13:16 comparing to nexus one could have made some sense May 28 13:13:43 just read the article May 28 13:14:27 also: touchscreen-only phones are mechanically vastly simpler to put together in lasting way than phones with slide-out qwerty keyboards... May 28 13:14:29 * tybollt slaps frals w/ ZogG May 28 13:14:41 :P May 28 13:15:18 hmm, from desktop to the menu, it used to do a smooth animation in 1.1, but now with 1.2 it's not for some reasons. May 28 13:16:14 SpeedEvil: so basically instant messaging enabled over 3G uses a lot of battery May 28 13:16:23 frals: I know. I'm trying to work out what the 'real' number of users of fmms is. The stable package was updated on the 18th. after which there were perhaps 4000 downloads after the next few days. May 28 13:16:44 frals: And then trying to work out what the ~30000 downloads after 1.2 release means. May 28 13:16:50 point of all technology news, always: "buy apple products, because they have arrogant dictator that knows what you want even if you have an differing opinion" May 28 13:17:10 some of the ipad news of late have been well beyond parody horizon May 28 13:17:28 frals: I suppose the implication is that quite a lot of people must have it installed, and not be updating it regularly, or most of the users have extras-devel or testing enabled too May 28 13:17:45 the other thing i don't understand is why are some apps automatically run in the background May 28 13:17:48 effective attention-whoring for building a career of pseudo-journalist though. May 28 13:18:10 May 28 13:18:14 like, i can see modest running, even though i haven't started myself May 28 13:18:20 SpeedEvil: yeah, i think most users of fmms have -devel enabled May 28 13:18:48 oh browserd May 28 13:19:06 loufoque: yes. 3G pings every 30s - representative of IRC connected to one server with an inactive channel - uses ~10% of battery per hour. May 28 13:19:08 frals: surprising they actually admit their misstake - hmmm May 28 13:19:24 damn, I've lost the ipad cartoon link.... May 28 13:19:46 loufoque: Xchat over wifi - quite active uses ~3% or so per hour. May 28 13:20:00 For IRC, 2G is _lots_ better. May 28 13:20:08 SpeedEvil: so basically I shouldn't idle with 3G May 28 13:20:13 As in well under half the usage. May 28 13:20:27 speedevil: nice PING-munching IRC and XMPP proxies would be nice to have May 28 13:20:31 Well - depends if you need the battery life. May 28 13:20:34 kirma: indeed. May 28 13:20:40 probably should write some and set up at home server May 28 13:20:51 kirma: Something like irssi+screen even would do that May 28 13:21:37 something like fifteen minutes is quite enough at least on my operator, and would drop the radio modem load to like almost tenth in idle conditions May 28 13:21:48 Actually - fmms is terrible - for this purpose - as frals is always pushing new versions :) May 28 13:22:08 you could port quassel to the phone or hack it's protocol May 28 13:22:13 SpeedEvil, be fun if we could get Nokia to publish these figures in the user manual. :D May 28 13:22:13 SpeedEvil: i shouldve held the last 2 versions a week to see downloads stats after pr1.2 :) May 28 13:22:14 Is there a list of apps by total downloads? May 28 13:22:17 speedevil: well, I have screen and ircII, but native intergration of private irc messages and google chat are nice... but power hogs :I May 28 13:22:38 <3 1.2 May 28 13:22:52 kirma: What's worse is for example if you have 3 different IM servers, all pinging at 30s intervals - the modem will never sleep. May 28 13:23:11 I believe for IRC and XMPP these would even be almost absurdly simple to implement, if dedicating for that specific task May 28 13:23:28 SpeedEvil: I'm pretty aware of this problem :/ May 28 13:23:33 :) May 28 13:23:46 where are the settings for the "Desktop Command Execution Widget"? May 28 13:24:04 should really write those proxies... stupid to run them at home and put one more point of failure on the route, but welll... May 28 13:24:11 Treibholz: You click the desktop, click the 'gear' - and then click the little spanner May 28 13:24:38 SpeedEvil: yes... :-) but where are they stored? May 28 13:24:48 or couple. home machine and the network connection May 28 13:25:02 SpeedEvil: it looses its settings here when refreshing. May 28 13:25:42 ah May 28 13:27:15 eh? why dos my firefox tell me i dont have flash 9 o.O May 28 13:27:27 yeah May 28 13:27:39 flash dun work in fennec does it? May 28 13:28:00 although I really fancy the tab system in fennec, it is _really_ nice May 28 13:28:03 Treibholz: somewhere in ~/.* May 28 13:29:27 Treibholz: .desktop_cmd_exec May 28 13:30:49 greetings. I bet this question was raised very often in the last days: How to I update my n900 to the latest announced maemo. I am on linux64. No Windows or Wine available. May 28 13:31:02 ghostcube: what web page? May 28 13:31:20 Nils^: tap update May 28 13:31:20 woah zdf mediathek :) May 28 13:31:25 moment pls May 28 13:31:40 heh. noting that n900 is actually the top-selling phone in biggest electronics retailer in .fi, and they also sell iphones and bulk phones... May 28 13:31:54 Nils^: or do a backup with the backup tool to your SD and flash the thing May 28 13:32:02 i was shocked landing in .fi and seeing some airport guard standing and playing with her n900 May 28 13:32:03 SpeedEvil: http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25/ May 28 13:32:03 mfinkle: http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/startseite#/hauptnavigation/startseite May 28 13:32:04 Nils^ do it with he app manager May 28 13:32:05 :P May 28 13:32:14 considering they sell phones contract-free phones starting from like 20 euros, that's quite an achievement May 28 13:32:29 kinda sad May 28 13:32:56 Skyscraper: the app manager (the built-in updater) says "Do it with pc-suite" May 28 13:33:12 frals: Ah - thanks May 28 13:33:24 yes, how many space do you have free on your rootfs? @ nils^ May 28 13:33:43 Skyscraper: not much. too many apps installed. May 28 13:33:44 hi has anyone tried using Skype Video on the new PR 1.2? May 28 13:33:51 i can't seem to get it to work on a PC May 28 13:33:52 trupheenix: yeah not working May 28 13:33:56 only if the other has video too May 28 13:34:00 you need at least 40-50 MB @nils^ May 28 13:34:00 seeems so for me May 28 13:34:04 ghostcube, yea the other has a video also May 28 13:34:11 ghostcube, other person has a web cam May 28 13:34:21 if you call him you can wait a few seconds May 28 13:34:21 Skyscraper: ok, lets see what I can uninstall May 28 13:34:25 video should be available then May 28 13:34:26 Aha - fmradio is a much less 'scary' app. May 28 13:34:39 ghostcube, i tried make skype video call May 28 13:34:46 and... i have had installed "OpenArena"... needed to uninstall it to install OTA May 28 13:34:49 me too i see my vid he doesnt ? May 28 13:34:49 http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg May 28 13:34:49 but the other person doesn't get any video May 28 13:34:53 yep May 28 13:35:03 i dont know whats causing this May 28 13:35:07 chem|st: ahh, deleting that helped :-) May 28 13:36:03 hmmm May 28 13:36:13 Nils^ have you brain party or open arena? May 28 13:36:17 anyone has made an succesfull skype video call May 28 13:36:26 http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmradio&os=Maemo5&repo=extras - yeah. You can clearly see that the total size of the population with extras-testing enabled is only a little smaller than the population with only extras. May 28 13:36:43 And there is a nice clearly visible 10 days between spikes May 28 13:36:50 Skyscraper: no, nothing of that May 28 13:36:55 ghostcube, tried PC to PC and it works like a charm May 28 13:37:03 however PC to N900 doesn't work as expected May 28 13:37:04 :( May 28 13:37:10 yep mac to N900 too May 28 13:37:12 wonder if they tried it using Windows or something May 28 13:38:03 hmmmmm May 28 13:38:10 anyone know what could be the problem? May 28 13:38:19 mac doesnt work too and i doubt any client does May 28 13:38:31 i wonder how long localedef should take in sbox while armel, 19 mins and counting :) May 28 13:38:34 yeah the skype client on the n900 is borked i think May 28 13:39:20 skype :-| May 28 13:39:32 i guess not many ppl use otr on their n900 i sent the package maintainer an email May 28 13:39:34 pexi: hmm, what is that? May 28 13:39:50 i guess an auto build system upgraded it and broke it May 28 13:40:03 * ruskie wishes the default client would support otr May 28 13:40:06 reality, I guess :) May 28 13:40:20 pexi: that photo i meant May 28 13:40:24 otr? May 28 13:40:24 pidgin-otr is broken May 28 13:40:33 off the record messaging May 28 13:40:38 ah, off the record, instant messaging stuff May 28 13:40:39 don't know May 28 13:40:41 pexi: what program is that? May 28 13:40:42 oh May 28 13:40:43 it worked before May 28 13:40:49 im the get off my lawn type who uses irc and email so didnt ring a bell May 28 13:40:55 who does the skype things? May 28 13:41:02 is it possible to mail him? May 28 13:41:16 ghostcube, which image are u trying? May 28 13:41:19 but current version is broken and maemo.org autoremoved the old working package May 28 13:41:23 1.2 normal May 28 13:41:24 ghostcube, i'm using the Global release May 28 13:41:27 yep me too May 28 13:41:47 ghostcube, i initially installed the India release, it didn't have skype! May 28 13:41:57 ghostcube, then i used the global release it had skype May 28 13:42:06 hmmmm May 28 13:42:10 ghostcube, i wonder if it is working on the UK or US ones May 28 13:42:12 ghostcube: i have, was just testing it May 28 13:42:14 :-| May 28 13:42:23 pigeon, huh? May 28 13:42:28 pigeon, works for u? May 28 13:42:32 pigeon, wow May 28 13:42:35 pigeon: you can video call? May 28 13:42:40 pigeon, which image u got? Global or UK or US? May 28 13:42:45 skype video call, yes May 28 13:42:47 it worked May 28 13:42:52 ok here it doesnt May 28 13:42:53 wlan only though May 28 13:43:07 pigeon, yea even i'm on Wlan May 28 13:43:08 doesnt work at all here May 28 13:43:11 with none client May 28 13:43:21 pigeon, which image are u using? UK/US/Global? May 28 13:43:45 mine is a us phone, and i upgraded ota, so us i guess? May 28 13:43:56 hmm ok then the global image is borked somehow May 28 13:45:01 i'm thinking if i should do a reflash. May 28 13:45:08 pigeon, no need May 28 13:46:39 hmm May 28 13:46:45 anyone know what is a Vanilla release? May 28 13:46:54 tastes of vanilla? May 28 13:46:59 isn't it possible to update to 1.2 without connecting it to a windows computer? May 28 13:47:08 OTA update May 28 13:47:40 Did I say the ICQ plugin sucks? :D May 28 13:47:45 with at least 40-50 mb rootfs-freespace May 28 13:48:29 ~ota May 28 13:48:30 it has been said that ota is ssu May 28 13:48:33 ag0ny: not sure if it's 1.2 or the new haze package, but the icq account plugin starts to not work properly since yesterday for me May 28 13:48:39 ~ssu May 28 13:48:40 ssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU May 28 13:48:51 pigeon: I had lots of problems before already. May 28 13:48:52 what is that? May 28 13:49:03 ag0ny: i noticed now the advanced settings sometimes comes up blank, and it also tends to lose its settings. May 28 13:49:22 pigeon: It worked yesterday for a couple of hours and all of a sudden, it stopped working. May 28 13:49:42 pigeon: You are right my advanced tab is blank May 28 13:49:51 apol: you can just use app manager to update May 28 13:49:51 pigeon: What are you doing to get your settings again? May 28 13:49:53 ICQ sucks anyway and everywhere. May 28 13:49:56 ag0ny: it was working before before yesterday May 28 13:50:04 icq is russian now :P May 28 13:50:05 :D May 28 13:50:13 ag0ny: if you disable the account then advanced settings comes up sometimes May 28 13:50:15 ghostcube: yes, just like its SPAM May 28 13:50:43 ghostcube: it asks me to connect my device to the computer to continue May 28 13:51:08 how do I clean up my rootfs again if uninstalling is not enough? maybe some trash or temp data? I did it once over ssh but forgot what to delete May 28 13:51:16 apol: to less rootfs space left May 28 13:51:28 pigeon: Going to try that May 28 13:51:40 Nils^: there is an script but i think this is not recommended May 28 13:51:54 ag0ny: you might need to disable it, save it, get out, then go back to its settings May 28 13:52:08 pigeon, are you sure? May 28 13:52:10 pigeon: hm...I deleted it :D May 28 13:52:18 trupheenix: about what? May 28 13:52:24 pigeon, about video calls? May 28 13:52:25 rootfs 233344 217428 11632 95% / May 28 13:52:30 pigeon: Happens if you click to fast :D May 28 13:52:31 pigeon, what clients did u call to? May 28 13:52:33 deinstalling has no impact. May 28 13:52:33 ghostcube: it's because I have to little disk space? May 28 13:52:36 trupheenix: yeah, i tried it with my wife May 28 13:52:36 pigeon: with half your attention May 28 13:52:39 pigeon, was it between 2 N900s or was it to a PC? May 28 13:52:39 how much do i need? May 28 13:52:44 trupheenix: skype on windows May 28 13:52:47 40 - 50 mb :) May 28 13:52:49 ahhhhhhhhhhhhHH!!! May 28 13:52:49 trupheenix: pc May 28 13:52:50 I have a feeling of that my N900 is a little slower operating after PR1.2 upgrade - have any of you experienced the same? May 28 13:52:52 ah May 28 13:52:57 i only have one n900 ;) May 28 13:52:57 pigeon, i'm trying skype on Linux May 28 13:53:00 oh May 28 13:53:06 i could try that too i guess May 28 13:53:08 pigeon, it's not working with skype linux May 28 13:53:09 i tried skype on mac linux and windows May 28 13:53:14 i could try now May 28 13:53:14 i cant get video calls to work May 28 13:53:20 pigeon, ok try and tell us please May 28 13:53:20 bug 10312 guys? May 28 13:53:21 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10312 Video calls with Skype does not work May 28 13:53:31 Why can I see Extra protocol plugins with 0kb in the update manager? May 28 13:53:34 n900-dk mines feels a lil slower also May 28 13:53:53 It is anoying.. May 28 13:54:01 trying... May 28 13:54:45 povbot`, ok i see wat ppl written May 28 13:54:46 trupheenix: Error: "ok" is not a valid command. May 28 13:55:09 ok super idea to make an linux skype not working with any other client than windows 4.0.x May 28 13:55:33 wouldnt it b more clever just to use an skype packag as an normal client app? May 28 13:55:40 cause this works May 28 13:55:52 And I hate how when I click download an attachment in emails it don't say downloading it just goes to the pic on a blank page til the pic is downloaded May 28 13:56:02 i wish you could individually switch online/offline for different accounts on the n900, instead of all or none May 28 13:56:10 pigeon, erm??? May 28 13:56:14 pigeon, you mean IM contacts? May 28 13:56:18 you can May 28 13:56:28 how? May 28 13:56:31 erm accounts even May 28 13:56:37 bbl May 28 13:56:38 i have to go and disable then in each account settings May 28 13:56:48 true May 28 13:57:05 hmm I wonder if there's a dbus signal that handles it May 28 13:57:51 strange, localedef with en_GB finishes in a few seconds, en_DK just pegs a core May 28 13:58:06 jaska, yeah had the same issue May 28 13:58:41 pigeon me is waiting for ur test results May 28 13:58:52 Could someone check please if /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon file does exist? May 28 13:59:06 pigeon, try dbus-monitoring while enablening disableing accounts and so on May 28 13:59:41 ruskie: oh well, guess i have to change the definition file by trial and error until it works... or generate a fake en_DK from en_GB just changing the LC_TIME section :) May 28 14:00:03 jaska, if you manage it lemme know May 28 14:01:25 n900 google video chat seems to be working May 28 14:01:29 just tested it May 28 14:01:41 allthough it took almost a minute to establish the video feed May 28 14:01:43 visz, Google Video chat works even on the older N900 May 28 14:01:47 oh, ok May 28 14:02:01 google video chat is from gmail jabber? May 28 14:02:17 oh that's jabber too? May 28 14:02:20 yes. May 28 14:02:21 visz, it was skype which has been added recently May 28 14:02:25 trupheenix: ok, no, when i make video call to a linux client, it just becomes a voice call, even though the front camera on the n900 is enabled May 28 14:02:25 gmail chat is jabber May 28 14:02:26 right May 28 14:02:38 pigeon so it's confirmed May 28 14:02:51 pigeon, basically i think the latest Skype on Windoz is using H264 May 28 14:02:51 pigeon: codecs incompatibilities May 28 14:02:54 pigeon same on windows if opponent doesn't have video May 28 14:03:02 hmm May 28 14:03:13 it worked for me with windows skype though May 28 14:03:16 17621 timeless 18 0 2264m 1.4g 532 R 0.2 82.7 791:59.28 genxref May 28 14:03:19 pigeon,but the linux clients are not using H264 May 28 14:03:20 new feature — video chat \o/ May 28 14:03:22 * timeless_mbp frowns May 28 14:03:25 that's probably not good May 28 14:03:37 trupheenix: ah, what is it using? May 28 14:03:52 I would consider that the maemo one would be using it May 28 14:04:06 doesn't nokia own some h.264 patents? May 28 14:04:17 pigeon, probably some propreitary stuff. May 28 14:04:18 ruskie, Nokia owns you =) May 28 14:04:36 * ruskie goes back to watching firstplay May 28 14:05:08 * ZogG is gonna so enjoy flashforward today May 28 14:05:16 blame you america for closing this show =) May 28 14:05:31 ZogG u could try VP8 u know May 28 14:05:38 ZogG or DIRAC May 28 14:05:57 hi May 28 14:06:00 blah May 28 14:06:03 try on what? May 28 14:06:12 ZogG on N900 May 28 14:06:56 does the n900 have a digital compass? May 28 14:07:06 dotblank, yes. aka GPS May 28 14:07:14 gps != compass May 28 14:07:29 GPS only works as a compass when you're moving May 28 14:07:30 it requires movement to establish quasi orientation May 28 14:07:31 :( oh I thought there was not Dependant on gps May 28 14:08:08 the QT mobility api's have support for compass readings May 28 14:08:20 n900 video client offers h264/h263 codecs May 28 14:08:24 just wondering if the n900 supported that May 28 14:08:27 empathy on my debian box offers only theora May 28 14:08:35 weird, all of a sudden my "Memory Card" becomes "mmc-undefined-name" May 28 14:08:45 basically you'd need gstreamer+ffmpeg with encoder+decoder support in h264 (which has patent issues) May 28 14:09:05 in the usa May 28 14:09:14 What the difference between the program manager and apt-get? I see updates in apt-get which I don't see in the program manager and vice versa May 28 14:09:18 ? May 28 14:09:24 or you'd need theora support in maemo stack, which should be possible (since telepathy/farsight/ffmpeg/...) do support it May 28 14:09:29 ag0ny, program manager handles things differently May 28 14:09:30 but possible doesn't mean easy May 28 14:09:46 removing the lid and put it back fixes it May 28 14:10:22 ruskie: That means? May 28 14:11:01 ag0ny, HAM only shows whatever has a special field May 28 14:11:18 the rest is generally silently installe through versioned dependencies May 28 14:12:33 what is the difference beetween gps and digital compass? May 28 14:12:53 ZogG, digital compass works like a normal compass May 28 14:12:59 it detects the earts magnetic field May 28 14:13:11 ruskie: taking en_GB definition and replacing the LC_TIME section worked mostly May 28 14:13:16 a gps relies on it's location from timestamps from sateliets May 28 14:13:23 jaska, mostly? May 28 14:13:44 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 2010-02-19 12:58 zh_TW May 28 14:13:46 atleast :) May 28 14:13:51 Hum ... question ... does someone have already use QAbstractKinecticScroller ... as i found it a bit too fast on n900 ... does there is a way to slow it ? May 28 14:14:13 (i scroll 8000 line of code in one gesture :) ) May 28 14:14:17 dont know if the osso-clock etc obey it May 28 14:14:21 or worldclock May 28 14:16:07 changing /etc/osso-af-init/locale, rebooting and trying May 28 14:18:31 ruskie but why would i care how it works at least it works May 28 14:18:42 ZogG, it doesn't May 28 14:18:51 ZogG, hold still and try to get a compass orientation using gps May 28 14:18:55 it's not possible May 28 14:18:56 ruskie: the gui apps seem to have their own definitions, atleast worldclock still uses disgusting dd/mm/yy :) May 28 14:19:07 i don't care when i stand i need it for movement May 28 14:19:11 hmm maybe timeless_mbp might be able to help there May 28 14:19:19 ruskie, anyway gps doesn't work properly May 28 14:19:59 ZogG, instructions... go south DO NOT go north, east or west... there's a big hole on those directions... so how can you figure it out now? May 28 14:21:08 ruskie if you move and gps now the direction the map can tell you where east or north May 28 14:21:20 and you fall down into a hole May 28 14:21:39 i can see it =) May 28 14:21:42 think I can only rely on instruments May 28 14:21:44 not blind =) May 28 14:21:45 bottomless hole? May 28 14:21:58 jaska, so i can travel to australia ? May 28 14:22:10 jaska THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA! May 28 14:22:26 depends on whereabouts you are now, most locations wont have australia on the other side :) May 28 14:22:35 ruskie: as jaska said, the ui apps use the language to pick the string formats May 28 14:22:44 so you basically need to take a language, and change some bits May 28 14:22:53 timeless_mbp, can you point out where? May 28 14:23:57 tuto_ti_date May 28 14:24:11 wdgt_va_date_short May 28 14:24:17 wdgt_va_date May 28 14:24:21 wdgt_va_date_medium May 28 14:24:25 wdgt_va_fulldate_day_name_short May 28 14:24:27 wdgt_va_date_day_name_short May 28 14:24:35 wdgt_va_date_long May 28 14:24:39 insanity May 28 14:24:54 those are just some of them May 28 14:25:00 there are a couple of "special" ones in calendar May 28 14:25:03 pigeon, i can confirm too that it works on Windows Skype client May 28 14:25:10 pigeon, doesn't work on Linux and OSX May 28 14:25:16 pigeon, just tried it at my office May 28 14:25:48 ruskie: the actual fault is posix May 28 14:25:52 woah amarok for n900 May 28 14:25:58 posix really doesn't enable you to get this stuff remotely right May 28 14:26:19 (the only platforms which get this right are OS X and Windows, and it isn't by using a posix api) May 28 14:26:40 how should it? May 28 14:26:51 last I checeked windows regional settings were a horror May 28 14:26:52 locale preferences are not things which should be controlled by environment variables May 28 14:26:56 thresh: yeah! gimme some more bloat! May 28 14:27:00 they're live preferences May 28 14:27:11 a user should be able to say "I want to switch my date format *NOW*" May 28 14:27:17 not "Oh, darn, i better reboot" May 28 14:27:24 hmmmmm May 28 14:27:29 no don't need to reboot... just restart the apps May 28 14:27:40 ruskie: hint: restarting the entire system = reboot May 28 14:27:43 i rebooted just because i didnt know what all to restart by hand May 28 14:27:51 in maemo, all apps are forks of maemo-launcher May 28 14:27:54 woah amarok for n900 say what? May 28 14:27:59 http://jefferai.org/2010/05/amarok-mobile-the-beginning May 28 14:28:02 which means that if you don't restart maemo-launcher, you haven't made any progress May 28 14:28:16 and by the time you've restarted all the apps, you've rebooted May 28 14:28:22 so again, the problem is roughly speaking, posix May 28 14:28:22 is there an easy way to keep the wifi connection running while starting the mobile data link? May 28 14:28:26 I still prefer the posix way May 28 14:28:33 for providing an insane suggestion for how to get things to "work" May 28 14:28:44 ruskie: the posix way doesn't work May 28 14:28:46 really May 28 14:28:49 it works May 28 14:28:56 not just how people are used to it May 28 14:29:03 ruskie: i've looked into it May 28 14:29:05 ruskie: Thanks for the apt/HAM explanation May 28 14:29:06 it doesn't work May 28 14:29:14 and something which requires a user to *learn* a whole system May 28 14:29:17 maybe I'm missing something... but how can I launch an app on windows in a particular locale? May 28 14:29:23 and then read 35 books doesn't a "working" system make May 28 14:29:35 ruskie: lool May 28 14:29:47 never figured that bit out May 28 14:29:53 ruskie: Windows doesn't have locales. May 28 14:30:02 ruskie: you create a user w/ the locale settings you want, log in w/ the user you created, and run the app May 28 14:30:18 ruskie: but normally you don't want to run *one* app in a lcoale May 28 14:30:23 s/coal/ocal/ May 28 14:30:23 timeless_mbp meant: ruskie: but normally you don't want to run *one* app in a locale May 28 14:30:29 timeless_mbp, and you're saying LANG=whatever app is a not working system? May 28 14:30:36 but I do May 28 14:30:41 you typically want to run *all* apps in a locale May 28 14:30:47 I often run an app or two in a different locale May 28 14:30:50 for whatever reason May 28 14:30:51 why? May 28 14:31:10 because the locaziation sucks in some apps, for example May 28 14:31:10 on osx you just specify the preferred language order (n.b. LANG != LOCALE) May 28 14:31:25 either I need the right output language wise, the right formating for date/time, the right collation etc... etc... etc... May 28 14:31:26 or because some have bugs in your default locale May 28 14:31:35 so many reasons May 28 14:31:38 sECuRE: lemme get this straight May 28 14:31:42 you want to screw normal users May 28 14:31:49 takes some fiddling, i need english for language, iso8601 for date/time, and finnish for collation :) May 28 14:31:49 because there are sucky programs out there May 28 14:31:52 which you want to work around? May 28 14:32:02 jaska, will you post a guide? May 28 14:32:06 why not take your "open source programs" and *fix* them? May 28 14:32:08 jaska, I have something similar I think May 28 14:32:10 if you're so proud of open source May 28 14:32:12 what’s this discussion about? (sorry, didn’t follow the whole) May 28 14:32:23 sECuRE, that posix locale settings is a not working system May 28 14:32:35 i disagree. it works fine for me ;) May 28 14:32:41 timeless_mbp, LANG is respected for locales May 28 14:32:45 sECuRE: how using env vars is not a working system for *end users* with regional references May 28 14:32:52 ruskie: again May 28 14:33:06 the baseline in maemo is that you pick a LANG and it forces a regional setting May 28 14:33:06 jaska, I basically need time es_DX and messages en_GB May 28 14:33:14 jaska, ugh... en_DK May 28 14:33:16 can't type May 28 14:33:22 the rest should be set to sl_SI ;) May 28 14:33:24 because the maemo team couldn't get what they wanted from distinct LANG/REGION May 28 14:33:28 i have english messages and german date/$foo on maemo, it works fine May 28 14:33:39 sECuRE: doubtful May 28 14:33:59 why? what doesn’t work? May 28 14:34:00 ruskie: well, i guess those progs use LC_MESSAGES to get their date formats? May 28 14:34:11 hopefully they don’t May 28 14:34:16 hey guys,... anybody know a possibility for dual-boot meego and maemo5 PR 1.2 ?! May 28 14:34:18 sECuRE: you're relying on one of en-GB or en-US to give you date formats which coincide to the german date formats you expect May 28 14:34:26 Smoki: flasher -l -b -k vmlinuz May 28 14:34:42 sECuRE: play around a bit with file manager or clock or things May 28 14:34:46 jaska, well that bit isn't really all that important since the rest of the device respects it May 28 14:34:56 swap between lang=en-us and lang=en-gb while keeping region=german May 28 14:34:58 jaska, but definately interested in your locale hacking May 28 14:35:18 sECuRE: you'll find that it's really the lang that's controlling date formats in maemo May 28 14:35:31 hm, LC_TIME=en_US, indeed. that sucks May 28 14:35:33 oh, i have the en_DK localedef file that i fiddled from en_GB that worked with sbox localedef program May 28 14:35:36 and definitely it is a bug May 28 14:35:45 ruskie: you want that? :) May 28 14:35:48 sECuRE: it's a feature May 28 14:35:54 sECuRE: not a feature i agree w/ May 28 14:35:56 just a feature May 28 14:36:05 jaska, yes... I like LC_TIME set to en_DK May 28 14:36:11 sECuRE: i've spent more time working on localization @maemo than anyone paid to work on it May 28 14:36:16 no, not being able to select language separately from date/time is a bug, IMO May 28 14:36:19 and I'm planing on figuring out where those strings that timeless_mbp said are... May 28 14:36:21 and i've complained about this behavior May 28 14:36:32 and they insist that it's a specified feature May 28 14:36:38 sECuRE, file a bug about it May 28 14:36:40 and they do have a specification that says to do it this way May 28 14:36:50 ruskie: will do, if there is none yet May 28 14:36:51 ruskie / sECuRE: please don't waste your time filing a bug May 28 14:36:53 i already filed a bug! May 28 14:36:59 alright May 28 14:37:01 i'm explaining to you what was explained to me May 28 14:37:07 not because i agree w/ all of it May 28 14:37:08 got the URL? May 28 14:37:13 bugs.maemo.org ? May 28 14:37:19 i've filed <1000 bugs there May 28 14:37:24 it can't be too hard to find :) May 28 14:37:25 of your *specific* bugreport May 28 14:38:06 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=reporter%3Atimeless May 28 14:38:11 it's probably in that list May 28 14:38:14 hrm May 28 14:38:19 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+reporter%3Atimeless May 28 14:38:22 maybe that one May 28 14:38:33 now to find a pastebin that supports upload May 28 14:38:40 * timeless_mbp sighs May 28 14:38:47 searching for "time" in my buglist fails :) May 28 14:38:54 probably :) May 28 14:38:55 jaska, just make a wiki page about it ;) May 28 14:39:13 or a tmo post May 28 14:39:30 * timeless_mbp cries May 28 14:39:35 why? May 28 14:40:39 ok May 28 14:40:44 the bug was filed by me internally May 28 14:41:37 so it's not on bugs.maemo... so maybe a push from there might be a good idea as well May 28 14:41:52 it's one thing when a dev considers something a bug and when a user does May 28 14:42:01 things atleast in my experience tend to get treated differently May 28 14:43:33 sECuRE, so might be a good idea for that bug May 28 14:44:02 Stskeeps: pong? :) May 28 14:44:08 wazd: pong May 28 14:44:13 ruskie: well, there seem to be some reports already May 28 14:44:16 Stskeeps: heya :) May 28 14:44:19 sECuRE: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/729035 May 28 14:44:24 guess garage account creation mails take some time, ive mostly lurked thus far (for the past few years) May 28 14:44:33 Stskeeps: just wanted to ask if you know where to get PR 1.2 theme template :) May 28 14:44:49 wazd: hmm, i thought i already updated for it May 28 14:45:09 Stskeeps: it says that package is still processing May 28 14:45:29 wazd: should be in the same place we picked up the original template May 28 14:45:31 did it change May 28 14:45:32 ? May 28 14:45:36 There also is a something new with shading in chats? May 28 14:45:57 Stskeeps: The archive is currently being generated, try again later May 28 14:46:01 wazd: ah May 28 14:46:05 At least somebody has submitted a theme for that in extras-devel. May 28 14:46:06 wazd: url? May 28 14:46:09 timeless_mbp, so in other words stick it where the sun don't shine and stop bugging us... we're trying to sleep May 28 14:46:19 Stskeeps: http://gitorious.org/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/trees/master May 28 14:46:24 ruskie: i'm comment 0 May 28 14:46:28 but basically, yes May 28 14:46:46 ruskie: i'm not saying i absolutely agree w/ their behavior May 28 14:46:52 however, having seen how things are done May 28 14:46:55 they're not entirely wrong May 28 14:47:02 and posix really doesn't make it easy to do what they want May 28 14:47:15 timeless_mbp, the only difference is that in windows you can modify settings to a point here you can't May 28 14:47:18 (they should have just removed all regional stuff and managed everything using custom data like windows/osx) May 28 14:47:25 wazd: Conversation chat view can be themed now too, it seems. May 28 14:47:33 ruskie: exactly, windows is less broken because it's a user controlled thing May 28 14:47:46 wazd: it should be the most recent one i have access to May 28 14:48:17 amusingly, we're trying to fill in a date field in harmattan right now May 28 14:48:27 X-Fade: oh, that's cool May 28 14:48:35 hopefully meego will work as expected May 28 14:48:36 and my colleague just asked to see a *ucking manual for help about how to fill in a date field :) May 28 14:48:49 use iso standard date format ;) May 28 14:49:04 i wish countries stopped being jerks and just used yyyy-mm-dd :) May 28 14:49:06 ruskie: we're trying 2010-05-28 May 28 14:49:10 it's giving us 2010-00-00 May 28 14:50:10 jaska, also HH:MM:SS ;) May 28 14:50:13 * timeless_mbp thinks he just crashed it May 28 14:51:33 timeless_mbp: are you leaking the fact that harmattan will have a date field? May 28 14:51:52 Corsac: this thing looks like a sample application May 28 14:51:57 so i'm hoping it won't ship :) May 28 14:51:58 bah May 28 14:52:03 stuck at the barrier May 28 14:52:13 does this mean harmattan won't have any date field! May 28 14:52:15 ZogG, help? :P May 28 14:52:17 !!!! BREAKING NEWS! May 28 14:53:19 MohammadAG? May 28 14:53:30 * frals throws a whale at MohammadAG May 28 14:53:40 MohammadAG barrier at jerusalem? May 28 14:55:15 Corsac: i'm definitely not promising a working date field! May 28 14:55:25 you won't ever catch me making such a promise! May 28 14:55:56 I'm gonna flash my device with the latest update, is that easy? :P May 28 14:56:07 want to reset the damn thing altogether May 28 14:57:50 timeless: Do you promise to be nice? May 28 14:57:59 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368 May 28 14:58:00 Bug 2368: -, timeless isn't nice May 28 14:58:09 lol May 28 14:58:12 lol May 28 14:58:27 does the face look nice? -, May 28 15:00:01 ZogG, Ramallah xD May 28 15:00:19 MohammadAG srsly? May 28 15:00:45 ZogG, yeah, went back May 28 15:00:49 MohammadAG, it's dangerous there =) May 28 15:00:58 what have you forgot there? May 28 15:01:06 anyway i'm going to sleep =) May 28 15:01:10 ZogG, not for a terrorist (oops?) May 28 15:01:21 MohammadAG, bring me some hash from there ))) May 28 15:01:22 ZogG, nothing, i'm 16 and apparently can't pass May 28 15:01:27 lol May 28 15:01:39 fun May 28 15:02:04 i'm going to sleep for an hour May 28 15:02:54 ZogG, where do you serve? May 28 15:03:11 Night May 28 15:06:15 someone maybe can say me what is the name or the class of the small throbber show in the window title in qt ? May 28 15:07:25 ruskie: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaskatyni/Locale_hack hopefully the wiki formatting avoidance didnt break the format :) May 28 15:09:03 cool May 28 15:09:12 cant download the firmwarve from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php May 28 15:09:20 says my product id is not valid -.- May 28 15:09:29 are you sure you give the correct one? May 28 15:09:39 well the exact same line thats in the image May 28 15:09:47 triple checked its correct too May 28 15:10:01 pre production version ?. May 28 15:10:19 i think not May 28 15:10:46 Where is your phone from? May 28 15:10:53 Korea, bought in Finland May 28 15:11:35 got friends imei code and it worked meh May 28 15:11:48 should I use Global release? :P May 28 15:14:10 it seems my n900 keeps rebooting over and over May 28 15:14:17 not it seems it does May 28 15:15:28 red, yes. May 28 15:15:37 I come to the "NOKIA" display, then a quick vibrate it it turns off again May 28 15:16:34 Nils^: that seems to have happened to a fair number of people after the update May 28 15:16:43 (including me) May 28 15:16:58 i don't even know if the update is complete. I was in the process of freeing space on rootfs May 28 15:17:14 any Nokias in here? May 28 15:17:23 Nils^: I ended up just flashing, it worked fine after that May 28 15:17:29 Nils^, I recently found my n800 doing the same sometimes, reboots at around 4 or 5 am May 28 15:17:33 ~ping May 28 15:17:34 ~pong May 28 15:17:55 johnsu01: so its not bricked yet? :) May 28 15:18:27 hello! can anybody answer me a question? flashing my N900 keep my contacts and messages, but it will erase the call log? May 28 15:18:47 Nils^: well... not in a way that can't be fixed by flashing :) May 28 15:19:04 johnsu01: ok, I have to find the right wiki site for flashing now May 28 15:19:19 Hariainm: do a backup! May 28 15:19:22 Nils^: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 28 15:19:23 Good day and good day evening girls and guys May 28 15:19:37 Nils^: and http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher May 28 15:20:23 Treibholz: i will do, but i just wanna be sure about it May 28 15:21:18 dont want to reset my call log, and dont know if a backup can restore it May 28 15:21:34 Hariainm: my log was still present after backup => flash => restore May 28 15:21:58 ok, thanks! May 28 15:22:19 Flashing will keep my memory card / home folder intact, right? my backup file is still on the phone May 28 15:22:29 Nils^: yes, just don't do the emmc flash May 28 15:23:46 johnsu01: only fiasco, right May 28 15:23:54 Nils^: yeah May 28 15:23:59 RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 161787293 OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11 Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 May 28 15:24:05 Global Release for Germany. May 28 15:24:23 Nils^, thats the old release May 28 15:24:25 note the 2009 May 28 15:25:07 Latest or third then May 28 15:25:11 ah wait May 28 15:25:12 latest May 28 15:25:26 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 187721717 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 May 28 15:25:34 any chance that maemo can handle running autossh? May 28 15:25:44 After flashing the device May 28 15:25:53 how long should the NOKIA logo with white background be visible? May 28 15:26:10 the flasher exited successfully to command prompt a couple minutes ago May 28 15:26:30 means you bricked it May 28 15:26:37 * RST38bis laughs satanically May 28 15:26:39 haha May 28 15:27:16 RST38bis: really? :P May 28 15:27:19 It can be longer if battery is dead May 28 15:27:28 it was quite low ye May 28 15:27:30 unplug cable, unplug battery May 28 15:27:36 it was quite low yeokay May 28 15:27:45 plug in battery, plug in charger May 28 15:27:53 leave till it boots on its own May 28 15:27:54 unplugged cable and it begun booting May 28 15:28:01 ha May 28 15:28:11 guess it was mounted on my ubuntu still so couldnt access some files or something May 28 15:28:20 possibly May 28 15:28:26 ubuntu is magic! May 28 15:28:31 When it comes to phones. May 28 15:28:44 I love ubuntu for quite many things, and hate it for some May 28 15:28:53 but when weighing between windows 7 and it, the choice is quite clear :P May 28 15:28:55 http://www.pcworld.com/article/197419/iphone_security_flaw_using_a_pin_wont_help_you.html May 28 15:30:29 hey May 28 15:30:59 iCwap May 28 15:31:01 SpeedEvil: bwarf May 28 15:31:45 is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 187721717 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 May 28 15:31:48 the right image=? May 28 15:32:10 so um May 28 15:32:12 openid rocks :) May 28 15:32:36 yes it does May 28 15:32:58 moo mgedmin May 28 15:34:22 hello extended call log refuses to work with pr1.2, is there anything that i can do with that? and is that known? May 28 15:34:24 i have 63mb free in my rootfs May 28 15:34:39 why cant i update OTA? May 28 15:34:41 maemouser: Submit a bug against it. May 28 15:35:48 http://www.pcworld.com/article/197419/iphone_security_flaw_using_a_pin_wont_help_you.html May 28 15:35:50 err May 28 15:36:00 http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index.php?v=info&a=view_results&s=suck May 28 15:36:03 oh dear. May 28 15:36:16 https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Extended%20Call%20Log May 28 15:36:17 that May 28 15:36:32 speedevil: i can but i wanted to be sure that i am not the only person having that issue May 28 15:36:43 See if there is an existing reported bug May 28 15:36:52 maemouser, could be http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/re-pr_1-2_update_and_messaging-001/ May 28 15:36:57 maybe May 28 15:37:09 I don't even know what "extended call log" is May 28 15:37:25 mc_teo, does it tell you there's not enough free space? May 28 15:37:33 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Extended+Call+Log&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2 May 28 15:37:40 woo - long URL is long. May 28 15:37:51 To search for extended call log bugs May 28 15:37:56 Of which there are none. May 28 15:38:07 meh May 28 15:38:12 didn't get meego to boot May 28 15:38:21 it's an app which extends call logs keeping them in a db or file May 28 15:38:46 imho a useful app May 28 15:38:53 mayhaps the sd wasn't correctly dd:t May 28 15:38:59 * n900-dk_ is still missing changelogs when upgrading apps.. May 28 15:39:20 mgedmin: no, just i go app manager -> update -> maemo blah May 28 15:39:35 ah, my contacts are still there after flashing. what a luck May 28 15:39:39 mc_teo, and... ? May 28 15:39:53 mgedmin: and then it want me to backup, and update with NSU May 28 15:39:59 hmm May 28 15:40:30 Maemo 5 Version:10.2010.19-1 Is this the latest version? May 28 15:40:52 mc_teo, there are reasons why it won't let you upgrade directly, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Seamless_Software_Update May 28 15:41:06 so if there is no bug reported before i am still suspicious if its only me or not May 28 15:41:27 it is not only you May 28 15:41:28 maemouser: that's what the last guy said when he refused to report it May 28 15:41:31 and the guy before him May 28 15:42:22 luke-jr: hehehehe you made me laugh bro that was a good one :) May 28 15:42:30 how does AutoFocus work? May 28 15:42:35 on a camera in general May 28 15:42:54 * luke-jr needs to clear his clipboard after copying private URIs to Nokia/TI IP :/ May 28 15:43:10 on xchat how can i reply to someone with a shortcut sorry for my noobness :) May 28 15:43:14 I almost pasted it on my last sentence :x May 28 15:43:54 luke-jr, i thought you didnt touch anything private at all May 28 15:44:00 let alone URIs May 28 15:44:05 btw pr1.2 seems really faster in browsing, i am happy May 28 15:44:27 i have version 3.2010.02-8, did i miss pr1.1? May 28 15:44:38 lcuk: it's not source code, just gpsdriver w/ debug symbols so I can give sts a useful backtrace and such May 28 15:45:00 any of you boys using xchat on your N900s ? May 28 15:45:11 frajer: GAN900 is I think May 28 15:45:43 ok May 28 15:46:04 RST38bis: thank you very much for the feedback bro, i dont feel alone anymore May 28 15:46:18 nice app just wish it had kinetic scrolling May 28 15:46:28 here noob xchat user May 28 15:46:50 who wants to know how to reply to some quicker in channel May 28 15:47:27 how? May 28 15:47:41 wii frajer May 28 15:47:44 type faster May 28 15:47:45 :) May 28 15:47:50 what does OTA mean? May 28 15:48:00 Over The Air May 28 15:48:22 what does red line mean in xchat May 28 15:48:27 wifi ? May 28 15:48:37 maemouser: markerline May 28 15:48:48 wifi or 3g/edge May 28 15:48:52 ok May 28 15:48:54 maemouser: It's a reminder of what point you were up to when the window was last exposed. May 28 15:48:57 CTRL-I helps May 28 15:49:02 when the channel was last exposed. May 28 15:49:04 any significant meaning or just seperator May 28 15:49:12 gre May 28 15:49:20 great May 28 15:49:30 CTRL-I is the equivalent to TAB May 28 15:49:31 what's ctri-i ? May 28 15:49:34 also - #xchat May 28 15:49:41 frajer: a shortcut. May 28 15:49:52 Also - I like binding autocomplete to shift-rightarrow. May 28 15:49:55 Works for me. May 28 15:50:55 ctrl i doubles xchat windows weird May 28 15:51:06 yes May 28 15:51:23 seperates status and maemo window May 28 15:51:24 I think it means "detach tab" May 28 15:51:41 ruskie: you're awesome. urxvt runs perfectly. I added a 30px bar on the left for scrolling, still thinking about a better solution, and I need to find some hotkey for ESC. other than that, it's brilliant. And it even is composited o.O with 32bit color depth, you can set real transparency. May 28 15:52:38 how to make the input box smaller in xchat? it's taking too much space May 28 15:53:28 urxvt on n900 ? May 28 15:53:55 i removed scroll indicator from my osso-xterm and added the old no border patch to get 80x25 with a larger font May 28 15:53:57 E0x: yes May 28 15:54:00 cool May 28 15:54:06 E0x: ruskie has it in his opt repo May 28 15:54:18 whats the shortcut of auto nick completion in xchat for replying someone May 28 15:54:25 xterminal is fine for me by now May 28 15:54:33 probably tab, try ctrl-i? May 28 15:54:45 Treibholz, you can also rebind May 28 15:54:45 E0x: just out of curiosity: why do you want urxvt instead of osso-term? May 28 15:54:53 fn-right arrow for tab here. May 28 15:54:56 ctrl i detaches current window from xchat May 28 15:55:09 ok, ill shut up then, never used it :) May 28 15:55:27 so, skype video call, n900 -> laptop: I can see myself; I can't see the other person; the other person cannot see me -> utter fail May 28 15:55:31 Treibholz: I'm the one, not E0x May 28 15:55:34 thanks are you an irssi guy ? or connecting via pc May 28 15:55:42 at least _sound_ works May 28 15:55:42 Shapeshifter: oh, ok. May 28 15:55:47 Shapeshifter: so: why? May 28 15:55:59 Treibholz: well for once I want to be able to costumize it properly, using .Xdefaults May 28 15:55:59 frajer: recompile :-/ May 28 15:56:19 Treibholz: it also seems to be faster May 28 15:56:22 frajer: pass me the binary if you're finished May 28 15:56:28 maemouser: screen on another linux box running irssi May 28 15:57:04 "n900-fmrx-enabler" May 28 15:57:12 btw tried skype video between n900 and pc - works like a charm! May 28 15:57:18 Shapeshifter: ok, I never needed a faster terminal on the N900. I would prefer to have the touch-stuff. May 28 15:57:18 mgedmin: "n900-fmrx-enabler" would upgrading this work? May 28 15:57:30 jaska: does screen have any good in maemo May 28 15:57:30 mc_teo, I don't know May 28 15:58:04 do i need to install skype client externally to use skype video call May 28 15:58:04 mc_teo, you have two options: simple brute-force (reflash) and hacky debugging (figure out why it won't let you upgrade, fix that) May 28 15:58:25 maemouser: havent used it on the device itself, just run it on another box and ssh in May 28 15:58:27 is it only me or you can't write lowercase letter after in conversations? May 28 15:58:31 in pr1.w May 28 15:58:35 .2 May 28 15:59:01 It's being smart May 28 15:59:04 Nokia: Improving your grammar and punctuation. May 28 15:59:08 Turn off 'auto capitilasation' May 28 15:59:12 in input settings. May 28 15:59:14 Shapeshifter: in fact I don't really "use" the terminal. It's more helper here and not a central application like on the Desktop. May 28 15:59:19 jaska i see thanks bro May 28 15:59:20 SpeedEvil: i always had it enabled May 28 15:59:44 SpeedEvil: but pressing shift made following letter lowercase. before pr1.2 May 28 15:59:51 Treibholz: I use it a lot May 28 15:59:55 slonopotamus: I have the exact same issue May 28 15:59:56 Treibholz: on the desktop as well ;) May 28 16:00:00 ah May 28 16:00:09 slonopotamus: File a bug May 28 16:00:16 Shapeshifter: % ps ax | grep x-terminal-emulator | wc -l May 28 16:00:16 36 May 28 16:00:20 slonopotamus: The users intent is clear when they explicityly press shift May 28 16:00:20 frajer: reported a bug already? i'd confirm/vote May 28 16:00:38 noob question: couldn't finding skype client in app manager what may i do May 28 16:00:40 SpeedEvil, is it? May 28 16:00:50 slonopotamus: not yet May 28 16:00:51 I press shift when I want an uppercase letter May 28 16:00:54 mgedmin: I'd think so - if autocapitalise is on. May 28 16:01:05 mgedmin: you want the opposite of what autocap would normally do May 28 16:01:12 if autocapitalization is on and shift makes the letter lowercase when I expect uppercase, I get angry and turn off autocapitalization May 28 16:01:28 Treibholz: well then. btw, you don't need the |wc -l, grep -c does the same ;) May 28 16:01:29 Fair enough. May 28 16:01:33 Shapeshifter: I would prefer to use urxvtd, but it crashes to often. May 28 16:01:39 I don't know what the best solution here is May 28 16:01:47 mgedmin: More options. May 28 16:01:57 But that is clearly making UI people heads explode. May 28 16:02:04 As users aren't supposed to want options. May 28 16:02:08 All users are the same. May 28 16:02:11 Treibholz: on the desktop? May 28 16:02:16 Shapeshifter: yes. May 28 16:02:19 most users hate options May 28 16:02:21 And all users find the same things obvuious. May 28 16:02:29 Treibholz: odd. I've been using it for 4 years without problems May 28 16:02:33 and they hate strawmen too May 28 16:02:57 * SpeedEvil ponders working out how to revert the keyboard. May 28 16:03:04 Shapeshifter: sometimes t consumes 100% CPU, without doing anything... May 28 16:03:06 incidentally, about the new PR 1.2 virtual keyboard -- what did it do to custom user-defined keyboard layouts? May 28 16:03:20 Shapeshifter: then I have to kill it and all terminals are gone... May 28 16:03:21 uxkeyboard or what was that thing called? May 28 16:03:45 mgedmin: that's irrelevant. it's a loss of functionality (having able to override autocapitalization in particular case) May 28 16:03:45 Treibholz: 9.07-1 on 32bit, here. May 28 16:04:04 (the funny thing is that autocapitalization doesn't work in xchat at all) May 28 16:04:04 Shapeshifter: so on machines with enough RAM, I use urxvt instead of urxvtd May 28 16:04:14 slonopotamus, being unable to type a lowercase letter is a bug, definitely May 28 16:04:24 funny how people waited for 1.2 as if it was the second coming of Christ May 28 16:04:30 Shapeshifter: v9.05 (Debian stable) May 28 16:04:53 filing... May 28 16:05:07 its already fixed May 28 16:05:11 sec and ill give you the git url May 28 16:05:15 im afraid to reflash in case i break something May 28 16:05:35 and STILL no < turned up (caret?) in russian layout May 28 16:05:53 heh, text selection in modest email view is still impossible :) May 28 16:05:54 autocapitalization doesn't appear to work in xterm at all either May 28 16:06:03 slonopotamus: check commit log at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-input-method-framework May 28 16:06:21 I mean, it took them 6 months to add it, and it is still broken. Another 6 months, I guess... May 28 16:06:35 RST38h: hold shift -> profit? May 28 16:06:43 frals: Oh, no, not that simple May 28 16:07:05 frals: see last comments to bug #5033 May 28 16:07:06 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5033 Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken May 28 16:08:09 doh :) May 28 16:08:28 grrr hate how the VKB swaps newlines with actual text May 28 16:08:51 open VKB in Notes with a line of text, go to the end of the field, press (virtual) enter and type another line of text below the first one May 28 16:08:59 upstromp der kootenleiben May 28 16:09:19 you end up with an empty line, followed by the new text and the old text following the new one, without any whitespace May 28 16:09:28 total borkness May 28 16:09:44 frajer: bug 10391 May 28 16:09:45 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10391 [REGRESSION] no longer possible to override autocapitalization May 28 16:10:36 slonopotamus: thanks. I see now May 28 16:11:13 can't believe they screwed up autocapitalization :-( May 28 16:11:14 10000+ bugs! May 28 16:11:36 slono: + still no switch to ru layout on Ctrl+Space. May 28 16:12:55 frajer: they screwed up stupid text selection in mail :) May 28 16:12:55 * slonopotamus isn't sure pr1.2 gives him any advantages over pr1.1 May 28 16:13:13 then again maybe it's different from bug 8750 May 28 16:13:14 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8750 wrong 'enter' behavior with onscreen keyboard and x terminal May 28 16:13:20 this is confusing May 28 16:15:44 meh May 28 16:15:48 RST38h: it always switched for me May 28 16:15:58 RST38h: how you broke ctrl+space? May 28 16:16:34 slono: I have a EURO1 device May 28 16:16:45 sigh... qt4.6.2 on maemo broke the background role (for tables at least) May 28 16:17:05 slono: with all four arrows and no cyrillics. Maemo5 thinks this disqualifies me from being able to switch May 28 16:17:40 is it possible in xchat to be connected to two different networks at the same time? May 28 16:17:42 RST38h: four arrows rock :) i only have two May 28 16:17:57 frajer: yes May 28 16:18:56 RST38h: how? May 28 16:19:20 frajer: open network list again and select another server? May 28 16:19:27 fuck it May 28 16:19:34 im just going to flash it May 28 16:19:44 mc_teo: that won't help May 28 16:20:11 slonopotamus: silly me! thanks May 28 16:21:46 So whose writing an app for the contest? May 28 16:22:42 slonopotamus: why wont it? May 28 16:22:55 ive tried everything, and it refuses to update OTA May 28 16:23:31 anyone link to the fiasco image? May 28 16:23:41 standacd location May 28 16:24:01 don't forget to flash eMMC too May 28 16:24:10 not required May 28 16:24:37 mc_teo: fucking it? well, because phones don't work that way May 28 16:25:02 ... May 28 16:25:35 ruskie: well i have never needed to know where the standard location is? May 28 16:25:58 should be on the wiki on how to flash your device May 28 16:27:18 when ssh'ing to the n900, what is the rootpassword? May 28 16:27:31 whatever you set it to when installing openssh May 28 16:27:49 ruskie: you should have been forced to set one when you installed ssh-server May 28 16:27:53 i jsut removed it, and reinstalled it, didn't ask for a password May 28 16:27:55 s/ruskie/pronto/ May 28 16:27:55 timeless_mbp meant: pronto: you should have been forced to set one when you installed ssh-server May 28 16:28:12 Why is it called 'fiasco'? May 28 16:28:18 use sudo gainroot May 28 16:28:23 and then passwd May 28 16:28:34 n900-dk_: because finns have a lame sense of humor May 28 16:28:49 heh May 28 16:29:05 that's being generous May 28 16:29:12 instead of assuming they're ignorant May 28 16:29:12 another stupid idea in the sauna :) May 28 16:29:15 which is more likely May 28 16:29:38 frajer: my bug was closed as a dupe. track bug 10310 May 28 16:29:39 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift May 28 16:29:42 wow you have a dick bot here too May 28 16:29:52 s/dick/sed'n/ May 28 16:29:53 mc_teo meant: wow you have a sed'n bot here too May 28 16:30:21 slonopotamus: ok. I see May 28 16:30:27 can it regex properly May 28 16:31:26 mc_teo: it regexed properly May 28 16:32:51 whats the difference between the UK edition, and the others May 28 16:33:00 the country May 28 16:33:08 (im in ireland, so i dont know does it count) May 28 16:33:24 the language? May 28 16:33:41 since some silly people still consider ireland as part of the UL May 28 16:33:44 UK* May 28 16:33:56 mc_teo: uk has different limits on wifi power May 28 16:34:16 and believe it or not, irish people actually speak english May 28 16:34:28 (i.e. the same language as in UK) May 28 16:34:37 and maybe some speak gaelic ? May 28 16:34:48 mc_teo: well, it sounds a bit like english, yes... May 28 16:34:51 mc_teo: stop trolling May 28 16:35:11 I meant 'the others'. Could be another country. May 28 16:35:11 maybe they think they speak irish May 28 16:35:11 meh May 28 16:35:14 kynky: actually, it's just irish May 28 16:35:25 special chars keyboard doesn't open anymore May 28 16:35:25 crashanddie, fair enough :) May 28 16:35:37 anyone knows what i should restart? May 28 16:35:45 slonopotamus: life. May 28 16:37:14 does the new ovi maps have turn by turn May 28 16:37:23 dotblank: nope May 28 16:37:47 you can get turn by turn from someone else if you pay May 28 16:38:25 kynky: only like 100 people *in the world* speak irish as theyre primary language May 28 16:38:30 their* May 28 16:38:42 or i guess you figure out how to put android on n900 May 28 16:40:38 * n900-dk_ wonders how people found their way in the old days aka before turn-by-turn.. May 28 16:40:46 so if meego goes rpm we can rebuild packages - what what about closed(non opensource) ones? May 28 16:41:14 n900-dk_ with a map and tons of argueing with the wife May 28 16:41:18 -e May 28 16:41:29 n900-dk_, or simply asking for directions ;) May 28 16:41:30 n900-dk_ you always had wife turn_by_turn feature May 28 16:41:35 n900-dk_, ask directions from the locals May 28 16:41:44 which came with tons of arguing May 28 16:42:08 now there is only argueing with the wife left :) May 28 16:42:16 lol May 28 16:42:37 you never argued with the sat nav ? May 28 16:43:02 actually I dont have one. May 28 16:43:04 * ruskie finds turn-by-turn annoying May 28 16:43:39 lanther look at a map before leaving May 28 16:43:57 gah so can't type this week May 28 16:44:40 wow, Facebook serves 570 billion page views a month (= 19 billion a day = 792 million an hour = 13 million a minute = 220k a second). Amazing that they're running it off a cluster of 5 N900's! May 28 16:45:33 and they using php May 28 16:45:33 mc_teo: actually, it's closer to 350k people who speak irish natively. and about half a million who speak it daily. May 28 16:45:44 crashanddie, 1 of those n900s is just a hot spare May 28 16:45:53 crashanddie: i am irish May 28 16:45:53 right May 28 16:46:09 i was born here, and i live here (in ireland) May 28 16:46:16 you no nothing May 28 16:46:26 I know how to spell, for one. May 28 16:46:43 native irish speakers are so rare, you have to pay to see them May 28 16:46:48 s/no/know/ May 28 16:47:30 anyway, now i think my n900 is really fecked May 28 16:47:34 good May 28 16:47:39 mc_teo, how so? May 28 16:47:52 i was moving things around May 28 16:48:04 to make more room in rootfs May 28 16:48:20 and i turned it off to get the product number under the battery May 28 16:48:47 can get it in about device as well ;) May 28 16:49:05 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <-- anyway here are both relevant links May 28 16:49:08 and when i turned it back on, its in an infinite loop of booting until PIN request screen, then rebooting May 28 16:49:32 and cant stop it, without removing battery May 28 16:49:32 what kind of stuff were you moving around? May 28 16:49:33 ~flashing May 28 16:49:35 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 28 16:50:29 crashanddie: like the icon files, and the startup video (which i believe to be the problem) from that talk thread on making more room on rootfs May 28 16:50:47 well pr1.2 actually moves quite a bit to /opt May 28 16:50:56 mc_teo: are you running pr1.2? May 28 16:51:12 crashanddie: no May 28 16:51:15 because I'm having heaps of free space on my n900 after it, no need to clean anything up May 28 16:51:22 just flash to pr1.2 then and be done with it May 28 16:51:25 hi May 28 16:51:31 hi deja_vu May 28 16:51:33 there's an event.d script that optifies some stuff May 28 16:51:40 in pr1.2 May 28 16:51:52 on bootup May 28 16:51:54 has anyone tried to open a .vcf file from modest on the n900? May 28 16:55:32 frals, that's a vcard right? May 28 16:55:37 yeah May 28 16:55:49 don't have any to try May 28 16:56:45 an ics gets asked for calendar inclusion May 28 16:56:52 I would assume a vcf mould go to contacts May 28 16:57:33 yeah.. i have a feeling its the one i sent myself which is fubar because modest is reporting "File error" when i try to save/open it May 28 17:02:17 ah, text/x-vcard=hildon-osso-addressbook.desktop May 28 17:03:46 hmm May 28 17:03:59 anyone know if it's possible to set up an explicit right-click in easy debian? May 28 17:08:22 The Gartner thread cracks me up. May 28 17:08:31 GAN900: fwiw, ive added vcard receive support in fmms now ;) May 28 17:08:48 frals, lol May 28 17:08:59 frals, how bad was it? May 28 17:09:05 tis was really simple May 28 17:09:19 once i tracked down which app handled it and how to make it handle it May 28 17:09:20 http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/commit/da168720fd823ba7262b22dfb58ad045142f9737 May 28 17:09:20 * ruskie is quite happy with no MMS support May 28 17:09:57 ruskie: Why are you happy about that? May 28 17:10:15 frals, cool. May 28 17:10:34 frals, it just notified me of the update. :P May 28 17:10:44 hmm, that one doesnt have it though :) May 28 17:10:54 will be in next version, just commited to git May 28 17:12:30 Update whore. May 28 17:12:49 someone gotta 'release early, release often' ;-) May 28 17:13:22 shoot first, shoot often May 28 17:14:00 frals: Where can we find the changelogs for fMMS? May 28 17:14:12 debian/control in the package... ;o May 28 17:14:23 last x are shown at http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ May 28 17:15:00 oh, great May 28 17:15:02 erm, is there a way to get rid of the midgard cms toolbar, "page folder website online help"? May 28 17:15:35 logout :p May 28 17:15:51 MohammadAG, i got a project for you! May 28 17:15:53 guess i'll just url filter the .js :) May 28 17:16:03 MohammadAG, package xdg-utils and make sure it works! ;) May 28 17:17:35 frals, yeah sure, give me 10 minutes May 28 17:17:49 what's xdg-utils lol May 28 17:19:37 MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2724#c1 May 28 17:19:38 Bug 2724: Please provide xdg-utils May 28 17:19:56 so i can do a 'catch all' for all attachments in fmms and have them open correctly ;) May 28 17:20:17 xdg is nice May 28 17:24:52 /join #AndroidCentral May 28 17:26:51 frals, fix dh: Unknown sequence patch (choose from: binary binary-arch binary-indep build clean install) and it should be built May 28 17:27:09 O_o May 28 17:28:55 if you can't fix it, comment it out! May 28 17:29:00 xdg-utils_1.0.2-6.1ubuntu3_all.deb May 28 17:29:22 (shame that doesn't work with the hostmode driver) May 28 17:29:38 * MohammadAG slaps frals May 28 17:34:07 * n900-dk_ can't find anything new in the facebook-widget for PR1.2.. May 28 17:34:43 How does a .desktop file have too look so that hildon will allow multiple instances? May 28 17:34:54 as in, usually it will just open the already existing instance if using an icon May 28 17:35:34 RST38h, ping May 28 17:40:39 png May 28 17:40:42 whazzup? May 28 17:42:31 gah. this desktop command execution widget has a very big flaw May 28 17:42:48 same with queen beecon: whenever a non-ascii character comes up, it cuts of the output. May 28 17:43:00 It can't handle non-ascii characters. May 28 17:44:18 RST38h, you ever get the FBReader clock fixed? May 28 17:44:20 Meanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/28/ipad_love_affair_goes_sour/ May 28 17:44:33 GAN: Of course I did May 28 17:44:46 GAN: The version in Extras should only update it once each 30 seconds May 28 17:44:51 RST38h, ah, cool, thanks. May 28 17:45:15 PR1.2 seems to have introduced a slight problem at startup (you have to click on the Book Loading banner) May 28 17:45:30 where is search functionality at PR1.2 in application manager? May 28 17:45:42 I will fix that in the next release, once I get time to work on it. FBReader 0.14 probably comes in the next release too May 28 17:45:46 open a section and start typing Passeli May 28 17:46:10 RST38h: You don't. May 28 17:46:17 RST38h: It just takes ages. May 28 17:46:27 Passeli, search is live in (nearly) all lists. May 28 17:46:39 I'd just been leaving it - I thought the book I'd loaded just must have had lots of graphics May 28 17:46:58 oh, cool May 28 17:48:00 Speed: I click on it and it goes away May 28 17:48:10 instantly May 28 17:48:28 So it is some kind of a change in the already broken Gtk May 28 17:56:23 * RST38h likes how jobs-bitten use "my ipad" in every second sentence, even when whining about "my ipad" not delivering on the promises May 28 17:58:20 Does VertSMS work for you guys after PR1.2 update? May 28 17:59:24 RST38h, looks like you are leaking memes into here :P May 28 18:00:50 * frals takes a leak on lcuks meme May 28 18:02:20 n900-dk, worksforme May 28 18:02:24 RST38h: I'd not been clicking on it and waiting - I'm not saying clicking does not May 28 18:03:06 Speed: Anyway, I will investigate what the hell it is doing there. Looks weird May 28 18:04:03 MohammadAG: hmm, will try reinstall then May 28 18:07:43 hey guys! latest maemo update on my N900 asks me to use a Nokia updater. however, afaik, it does not run under linux and i have no windows machine. how to update then? May 28 18:09:18 ~flashing May 28 18:09:19 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 28 18:09:19 apt-get May 28 18:09:37 VertSMS still exits when I try to start it.. May 28 18:09:59 what is the commandline for it, maybe there is some output there? May 28 18:10:18 "A correction has been posted. It was 100,000 in 5 weeks, not 5 months." <--- ehehehehe May 28 18:11:20 but i don't want to flash my device. i have loads of apps installed! i just want it updated May 28 18:11:46 apt-get. May 28 18:12:04 Well, from the previous SSU I'd say these questions would be relevant: how much free space do you have on / ? Have you installed anything from extras-devel or extras-testing? May 28 18:13:26 * tybollt fixes fmms May 28 18:13:59 ShadowJK, what's SSU? I have loads of free space on /. most of my apps are from extras devel May 28 18:14:11 ssu = update May 28 18:14:31 how much is loads May 28 18:14:39 if you click details on the update it should show whats conflicting May 28 18:14:47 I'm guessing QT apps from extras-devel would be problematic :) May 28 18:14:48 it did for me at least :o May 28 18:15:31 loads is over 1 Gb May 28 18:15:44 it doesn't say it is conflicting May 28 18:15:46 :) May 28 18:15:57 over 1g shouldn't be possible :-D May 28 18:16:03 it says to update you need to connect device to pc May 28 18:16:07 see /topic! May 28 18:16:33 yes louigiverona use the backup tool on n900, back up your data and application selections, then do what you have to and restore if required May 28 18:16:50 (because having over 1 gigabyte free on a 256 megabyte device would be a bit hard) May 28 18:17:12 compression could theoretically make it feasible May 28 18:17:12 256? i have N900 May 28 18:17:22 1. Do a backup May 28 18:17:33 2. Move apt-get cache to the MMC card May 28 18:17:39 2 Gb of space on / May 28 18:17:51 3. Use apt-get to install PR1.2 from the command line May 28 18:17:53 louigiverona, where are you reading the 2gb from? May 28 18:18:00 not possible ^ May 28 18:18:07 settings memory May 28 18:18:12 2Gb = 256MB May 28 18:18:15 (unless you did some serious 1337 hax0ring) May 28 18:18:21 that's /opt May 28 18:18:27 (or /home to be more precise) May 28 18:18:28 Notice small "b" - that is "bit" May 28 18:18:35 N900 has 256 megabyte nand on /, 32 gigabyte emmc, out of which 2 gigabyte is on /home and /opt, 768 meg swap, and the rest in /home/user/MyDocs. "df -h /" in x-terminal should give you free space on /. May 28 18:18:52 sec May 28 18:18:52 Especially stuff from extras-devel is known to consume space on the small / May 28 18:19:06 ok louigiverona yes its rather misleading May 28 18:19:07 hmm, i wonder if i should do localization in fmms now May 28 18:19:07 see how FSCKNG HFM makes things easy for users by cheating on them about real filesystem?! FFS!!! May 28 18:19:53 It wouldn't be such an issue if people stopped putting stuff in / ;) May 28 18:19:58 DocScrutinizer, the nicest part is that i have 23gb of normal space free May 28 18:20:07 but my blue bar is only 10-15% along May 28 18:20:08 haha May 28 18:20:20 15 Mb free, guys May 28 18:20:21 ShadowJK: Should I tell you the biggest who the biggest offenders are? Or do you know it yourself? May 28 18:20:37 RST38h, I don't install anything from extras-devel, so no May 28 18:20:39 ShadowJK: [hint: none of them are Extras* apps] May 28 18:20:40 I don't know May 28 18:20:56 and I don't install anything from Ovi May 28 18:21:06 for some reason they want me to sign up for something or other May 28 18:21:34 was their any change to Maemo supporting WPA2-Enterprise in Pr 1.2? May 28 18:21:39 23800 /usr/lib/microb-engine May 28 18:21:40 23352 /usr/lib/locale May 28 18:21:42 14164 /usr/share/microb-engine/chrome May 28 18:21:50 ShadowJK: Here May 28 18:21:58 RST38h, some of that is historical May 28 18:22:05 is there a smartphone that has a true Debian OS under the hood? May 28 18:22:15 due entirely to the flashing mechanism May 28 18:22:26 RST38h, I don't count the preinstalled stuff :) May 28 18:22:32 lcuk: It does not really matter. The original complaint was that the Extras* stuff consumes / May 28 18:22:33 now hopefully as packages are built more can be pre-optified o_O May 28 18:22:38 yeah sure May 28 18:22:46 lcuk: I know for sure that this is no longer true. Has not been for a while. May 28 18:22:46 because at the time there was no way to do anything about standard May 28 18:22:50 RST38h, how do i move apt-get cache to a card? May 28 18:23:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Move_apt_cache_outside_of_rootfs May 28 18:23:36 * DocScrutinizer does rm -rf /usr/lib/locale/* May 28 18:24:06 DocScrutinizer, i used to do similar stuff, but i couldnt expect anyone else too May 28 18:24:10 some stuff breaks, or displays those foo_bar_baz messages May 28 18:24:40 if you want to trim /usr/lib/locale you prolly need to remove files from the locale-archive.. and more in /usr/share/locale :) May 28 18:24:42 * DocScrutinizer expects fsckng maemo to explode on next boot May 28 18:25:00 ~optification May 28 18:25:01 i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs May 28 18:25:07 atleast on n810 stuff started showing ckpt_blah_blah messages May 28 18:25:08 as I like that so much May 28 18:25:33 The solution is read-only / ;-) May 28 18:26:03 Was that a hitler-smiley-face? =) May 28 18:26:23 read only root May 28 18:26:35 does anyone know how autofocus works? May 28 18:27:14 I'd guess I have an idea May 28 18:27:14 The updates are so rare anyway, and require reboots most of hte time, that one might as well boot a magical special kernel that can write to nand but not do much else, and keep / read-only most of the other time (and /var, /etc on emmc) May 28 18:27:37 If you can't write to / you can't fill it up :] May 28 18:28:14 .,jh .mju.,k.lo,k .ki 8i., lk 8iol vju./. May 28 18:28:15 ~?@:#] May 28 18:28:19 crap May 28 18:28:27 lcuk: you take a "photo", then run a FFT over the video data of the focus window, and sum up the high frequencies May 28 18:28:28 the last part looks like a weird smiley May 28 18:28:36 ~?@:#] May 28 18:28:54 lcuk: then you move focus a little, and do same May 28 18:28:57 lol jaska much less mundane - spilt dregs of a drink on keyboard May 28 18:29:00 Or you don't, and you just highpass it. May 28 18:29:37 DocScrutinizer, well i was thinking whether using newtons method would work - taking the results of the clarity as the guess May 28 18:29:38 Or the OO approach: take photo at each focus setting, compress it to jpeg at quality 90, the picture with biggest jpeg has best focus May 28 18:29:46 lcuk: when you've get a lower high freq energy/sum than with prev focus, you go back to the prev and call that sweet spot May 28 18:30:11 Hmm, I flashed my device today and just enabled extras-testing and devel, but where has the Search functionality from app manager disappeared? May 28 18:30:11 well ive got a simple little edge detection routine that runs nice and quick and can count the pixels in high focus May 28 18:30:21 Or was that an additional app that provided the functionality? May 28 18:30:39 DocScrutinizer, http://liqbase.net/liq.20100526_040359.liqcam.scr.png May 28 18:30:59 and obviously at best focus theres most hits May 28 18:31:07 lcuk: That works too May 28 18:31:23 anyone any ideas? May 28 18:31:44 lcuk: you can also window that May 28 18:31:49 red: start typing May 28 18:31:49 sure May 28 18:32:05 red, go into categories and all, then type May 28 18:32:11 SpeedEvil: ah it's changed to work like the contacts popping up then? :D May 28 18:32:12 lcuk: that's roundabout same as what I explained before :-) May 28 18:32:17 most of the lists now in fremantle work the same way :) May 28 18:32:17 yes May 28 18:32:25 yeah DocScrutinizer but FFT is costly May 28 18:32:29 Does it only search by package name now, since I used the package name + info search too. May 28 18:32:38 highpass is cheap - especially 1D May 28 18:32:46 name only I think unfortunately. May 28 18:33:02 Wonder whos idea this nifty change was sigh May 28 18:33:05 but we can get you a hannah montana screensaver listed at the top ! May 28 18:33:06 lcuk: doesn't matter if you do a FFT, or any other algo to detect the 'high frequencies' aka edges May 28 18:34:00 red the list searching is generally good feature for general stuff - but i can see your point if the search did used to also do deep searching May 28 18:34:58 I used it a lot May 28 18:35:16 ShadowJK: (jpeg) not always May 28 18:35:19 when I realized I'd like an app that can do a certain niche, i'd use that and usually find or not find. May 28 18:35:29 Hi May 28 18:35:30 Now instead I have to go thru all the applications listed and read descriptions :P May 28 18:36:24 ShadowJK: imagine a black/white half/half background. You may get better rsults when you got no blur at he border May 28 18:36:52 hi May 28 18:37:16 how cast char to char* ? May 28 18:37:33 err wut? May 28 18:37:39 lopz: /j ##c++ May 28 18:37:44 DocScrutinizer, would be hard for digital camera to align an 8pixel (or multiple) grid May 28 18:37:48 char *foo(char k) { return (char*) k;} <- error May 28 18:37:58 Shapeshifter, uhmm.. May 28 18:38:02 red: I used that too.. May 28 18:38:03 lopz, errr May 28 18:38:06 that wouldnt work May 28 18:38:12 return &k; would work ? May 28 18:38:22 #define AddressOf(k) &(k) May 28 18:38:23 lcuk: I thought of 2 areas, with vertical border May 28 18:38:23 uh May 28 18:38:35 ShadowJK, not :S May 28 18:38:41 lcuk: will yield two uniform blocks in jpeg May 28 18:38:46 as a function it would not work May 28 18:38:54 but I guess k is only in a register without an address May 28 18:38:54 because you pass the char in on the stack May 28 18:39:01 and you only need the address of the char May 28 18:39:07 n900-dk: thank god our App Manager doesn't have as much apps as Apples May 28 18:39:10 ;P May 28 18:39:13 but if you want it as a char * with null terminator May 28 18:39:14 lcuk: while a gradient caused by blur will make jpeg compression go mad about it May 28 18:39:15 you need more May 28 18:39:44 DocScrutinizer, sure but from camera that would be hard to get May 28 18:39:52 lcuk, how would I do to return the same value, if k = 'a' return 'to', because my function returns a pointer to char, char k is only May 28 18:39:54 lopz, when you say you want a char* May 28 18:39:57 what do you need it for May 28 18:40:12 does it need just the address in memory of the character May 28 18:40:18 or do you need to use it as a null terminated string May 28 18:40:29 red: But doesn't it look like, that it also searches in the app-infos? May 28 18:40:37 lcuk: just calculate sigma(pixel - pixel-left) May 28 18:40:37 lcuk, http://dpaste.com/200426/ my code :) May 28 18:40:55 for all pixels in your focus window May 28 18:41:01 red: It does May 28 18:41:25 lcuk, yes, a null terminated string :) May 28 18:41:44 lopz, ok - so i can see you creating a constant array containing items May 28 18:41:51 make that sigma(ABS(p - p1)) May 28 18:41:57 are you wanting to append new dict items to this array? May 28 18:42:43 DocScrutinizer, noise threshhold makes that fail but i get the point May 28 18:43:04 noisy version of the algo: http://liqbase.net/liq.20100526_032541.liqcam.scr.png May 28 18:43:37 anyone in here using a selfsat dish? Please PM me :) May 28 18:44:20 lcuk: mhm May 28 18:44:48 lcuk: why do you ask? you already know everything you got to know ;-D May 28 18:45:01 DocScrutinizer, i was asking how its done properly May 28 18:45:02 :) May 28 18:45:16 not just based on what i think it should do May 28 18:45:17 I think that *is* as proper as it gets May 28 18:45:23 * ShadowJK 'd use dct not fft, but yeah :D May 28 18:45:47 lcuk, If elements are added, but manuals in the code:) May 28 18:45:47 What I do is that if a "key" is not its value, then return the same key, but key is a char and the value is char * so find_value function returns a char *, and when you do not find ... return key, throws error, key is a char and need to return char * May 28 18:46:08 (because you could "borrow" highly-optmized DCTs from video code) May 28 18:46:18 that doesnt make sense lopz May 28 18:46:26 who allocates the return value for you? May 28 18:46:33 who would destroy it? May 28 18:46:45 lcuk, yes May 28 18:46:52 bbl May 28 18:46:57 normally in c, functions that work on strings normally get the caller to pass in a buffer and a size May 28 18:47:16 so that the function can populate it with the result May 28 18:47:36 now using a strange mix of constants and dynamic selections would make that tough May 28 18:48:00 lcuk, in fun produce... output = strcat(output, get_value(rules[i].key)); May 28 18:48:06 and if the caller expected to hold onto multiple result values you are left needing to either have caller free() the result string May 28 18:48:14 sure lopz May 28 18:48:31 Mh. My fonts grew. odd. I think this happened around the time I installed a .Xdefaults May 28 18:48:36 they're all too large. May 28 18:48:42 but what if you need printf("Hello from %s i am %s to see you", get_value(rules[i].key, get_value(rules[i+1].key) May 28 18:48:42 lcuk, then use the result, I imitate the dict.get (i, i) python:) May 28 18:49:28 python is different May 28 18:49:39 it has different mechanism to free resources May 28 18:49:47 lopz: C isn't python, you can't write python code in C May 28 18:49:48 i can see what you want to do May 28 18:50:02 there is a way! May 28 18:50:06 lopz May 28 18:50:21 struct dict{ char *key, char *data } May 28 18:50:25 zaheerm, ping May 28 18:50:35 change your constant definition to use strings for both key and data May 28 18:50:38 char* May 28 18:50:48 {"A","B"} May 28 18:50:50 etc May 28 18:50:58 instead of {'A',"B"} May 28 18:51:15 then if you need to return the char*, you can happy and safe in the knowledge its null terminated May 28 18:51:33 if (rules[i].key[0] == key) May 28 18:51:39 is the only drastic change May 28 18:52:16 if (rules[i].key[0] == *key) right? May 28 18:52:29 no, you are still testing key as a char? May 28 18:52:42 wait.. May 28 18:52:50 for string comparisons use the strcmp style functions May 28 18:53:00 but if you still expect to use only a char as key still May 28 18:53:23 then use the first index in the array rules[i].key[0] May 28 18:53:32 its not writable May 28 18:53:35 oh, ok, strcmp May 28 18:53:40 but it gives you a read only array of dict pairs May 28 18:53:52 this totally fails when yo uwant to add more :P May 28 18:54:20 but would answer your problem as requested without drastic change May 28 18:54:45 lcuk, thaaanks :=) May 28 18:55:43 bhttp://dpaste.com/200444/ May 28 18:55:53 lopz, -b May 28 18:57:38 lcuk, ok, i test.. May 28 18:57:48 http://stuff.moritzg.ch/Screenshot-20100528-205711.png urxvt ftw if you ask me ;) May 28 18:58:21 ruskie: thanks again for packaging it. I'll work out all the quirks and inform you if I can improve the situation. May 28 18:58:35 Shapeshifter, thats pretty damned sweet May 28 18:58:43 can it have a toolbar :$ May 28 19:01:51 wrong button May 28 19:17:30 more keys would be awesome. Like, say, 4 buttons on each side on the back of the phone like one of those console controllers ;) May 28 19:18:32 ... May 28 19:19:20 where is this urxvt repo? May 28 19:19:55 jaska: ruskies repo: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#My_repos use the "opt" one. May 28 19:20:02 ook, ty May 28 19:34:43 I wonder why I have to press shift+return on the n900 when using urxvt, ssh and screen to enter something in irssi. works fine everywhere else... May 28 19:36:01 conky says the device has 45MiB free in the rootfs. The maemo upgrade says that 113MB are required. If I go ahead with the upgrade it will fail won't it? May 28 19:38:10 jatt use flasher May 28 19:38:13 just take a backup first May 28 19:38:16 then restore it May 28 19:39:45 jatt: probably not May 28 19:40:31 jatt: the 113 aren't just on rootfs May 28 19:41:27 mm May 28 19:41:44 I see May 28 19:41:44 can't seem to find any way to set the N900 calendars default view to Month May 28 19:41:47 I hate agenda view. May 28 19:42:05 so what is this urxvt repo for? May 28 19:42:22 jatt: anyway if all else fails, you're free to flash any time ;-D May 28 19:43:16 but are 45MiB enough? I've read in the mailing list that people clean some apt cache to save space May 28 19:43:30 allegedly 45 are just enough May 28 19:43:45 sure I want to avoid flashing though :) May 28 19:43:48 disable all repos May 28 19:43:50 first May 28 19:43:54 some say they needed 48 May 28 19:43:56 well - other than nokia server update May 28 19:44:56 jatt`: if SSU starts, it usually runs to finish without problems May 28 19:45:24 Hi May 28 19:46:14 i just updated my maemo to 10.2010.19-1.003 May 28 19:46:21 is this the PR1.2 version ? May 28 19:46:42 yes May 28 19:46:44 does PR mean Pre Release ? May 28 19:46:47 no May 28 19:46:55 can i know what all are the new stuff included May 28 19:47:09 It means Penguin Rapper. May 28 19:47:19 Oh a development name May 28 19:47:29 .. May 28 19:47:30 ok I am disabling repos now, i have a nokia application repo and a nokia system software updates repo it's ok to deactivate the former? May 28 19:47:37 lol May 28 19:47:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 May 28 19:48:35 Thank you :) May 28 19:48:49 btw how to do a backup? May 28 19:49:03 jatt`: It will ask you as you go throught he process May 28 19:49:16 jatt`: Otherwise select the cunningly named 'backup' app May 28 19:49:25 on the main menu May 28 19:49:32 well yeah usually when u update it will ask for you to backup May 28 19:49:40 Is there no way of getting hildon-desktop to start multiple instances when hitting buttons in the menu or on the desktop? no matter what app I try, they all just launch one instance and there doesn't seem to be a setting for .desktop files or something. May 28 19:50:55 Shapeshifter, isnt it related to osso registration May 28 19:51:41 lcuk: osso registration? where does that happen? May 28 19:53:43 Shapeshifter, /usr/share/dbus-1/services May 28 19:54:07 afaik the .desktop file mentions which service to run May 28 19:54:15 if its opening by service, it only opens 1 instance May 28 19:54:34 but on my ubuntu i cannot right click on ANY .desktop file May 28 19:54:45 there's X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true and X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable May 28 19:54:47 because it attempts to treat it as an actual .desktop file May 28 19:55:12 other then that, I don't see anything osso related May 28 19:55:24 X-Osso-Service=org.maemo.liqtactoe May 28 19:55:24 X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable May 28 19:55:54 "N900 is now following you on Twitter" May 28 19:56:05 lcuk: well osso-xterm.desktop for example, doesn't contain anything like that May 28 19:56:06 How do these people keep finding me May 28 19:56:21 lcuk: oh wait, it does. May 28 19:56:37 GAN900, you are holding your n900 - its just taken it a while to recognise you! May 28 19:56:37 X-Osso-Service=xterm but I removed it for my urxvt.desktop file. it still launches it only once. May 28 19:56:37 GAN900: well, see, in soviet russia, N900 f... oh May 28 19:56:47 Shapeshifter, i dunno then May 28 19:57:25 the list of resolved bugs in that wiki page is quite compelling May 28 19:58:08 jatt`, the devs did quite well didnt they :) May 28 19:58:28 Wait for hte list of new bugs. May 28 19:58:33 what is the advantage of deactivating repos before the upgrade? May 28 19:58:41 haha May 28 19:58:55 jatt`, space May 28 19:58:57 actually no haha May 28 19:59:19 SpeedEvil, as part of PR1.2 we had a regression in the bug tracker May 28 19:59:28 but we cant file a bug against it :p May 28 19:59:37 muhaha May 28 20:01:30 ~recursion May 28 20:01:31 To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion May 28 20:02:46 ~recursion May 28 20:02:47 To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion May 28 20:03:02 sweet my N900 just arrived :) May 28 20:03:20 sucks that MeeGo will not be put on the N900 :( May 28 20:03:36 officially anyway May 28 20:04:00 idk its not really that big deal to me May 28 20:04:24 hello May 28 20:05:48 waiting for the latest update to download/install May 28 20:06:40 any canola users present? May 28 20:07:11 I use canola May 28 20:07:19 red: yup May 28 20:08:45 etrunko: cant seem to be able to type May 28 20:08:55 like when saving playlist etc May 28 20:09:27 before reflahs i could work around it by tapping the n900 off button and returning to the app May 28 20:09:40 and then it worked.. not anymore :( May 28 20:13:08 ~loop May 28 20:13:09 Console utility. URL: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/biermans/ May 28 20:13:29 i get strange battery drains after update May 28 20:13:38 say, 20% in a few minutes May 28 20:13:51 anyone else experiencing that? May 28 20:13:57 Is wifi on? May 28 20:14:30 yes, but there was no ap in range May 28 20:14:33 guys May 28 20:14:40 doesn't that eat the most power.. May 28 20:14:43 it was on cellular data connection May 28 20:14:45 is it possible to do full backup using some kind of image? May 28 20:14:52 Arkenoi: wifi just being on probably did it May 28 20:15:02 something like create my own flash image from currently running system May 28 20:15:27 * ShadowJK doesn't trust the nokia charge meter to accurately tell the difference between 60% and 80% battery, or 80% and 100% May 28 20:15:30 microlith, never seen anything like that before update May 28 20:15:36 it just sucks May 28 20:15:40 weird May 28 20:15:49 wifi has always been a battery eater for me May 28 20:15:54 well, i see *huge* fast drop on battery meter May 28 20:15:58 much worse than the screen, and way worse than the CPU May 28 20:16:06 Arkenoi, did you reboot in between readings? May 28 20:16:11 nope May 28 20:16:32 microlith: It's about the same as the CPU flat-out May 28 20:16:38 microlith: Without powersave. May 28 20:16:50 which remind me that I should try PR1.2 WiFi with max power management on against my wifi May 28 20:16:52 microlith: With powersave - it uses ~.1%/hour May 28 20:17:06 and the overall stability sucks May 28 20:17:10 In my experience, when the "wifi bug" hits, all you need to do is ifconfig wlan0 down from rootshell and it stops eating battery May 28 20:17:22 i get some mess with incoming message May 28 20:17:37 one in conversation inbox that just does not go away and not shown in conversations May 28 20:17:56 expect wifi to eat battery like mad, if you config AP as 'hidden SSID' May 28 20:18:05 ShadowJK, that means we have to watch that out, and that sucks in turn May 28 20:18:15 of any of your connections May 28 20:18:37 Arkenoi, I've had it on 1.1.1 May 28 20:18:41 * ShadowJK hasn't updated to 1.2 May 28 20:19:12 sjk: You're missing out May 28 20:19:25 on all the regressions, no doubt :D May 28 20:19:38 as soon as you have a hidden AP configured, the wifi needs to ask all AP in vicinity about if they are this AP of name foobar May 28 20:20:25 * DocScrutinizer ->diner.eat May 28 20:20:50 anybody that got skype video calling working? May 28 20:20:50 hidden ssid provides approx zero added security :) May 28 20:22:13 * ShadowJK still hasn't seen anyone claim skype video is supposed to be working May 28 20:25:24 its working well with 1.2 :p May 28 20:25:35 tested both over wlan and 3g May 28 20:27:27 skype video is working like a charm for me May 28 20:27:34 ratbags. All of my configs are gone from my n900 after pr1.2 May 28 20:27:58 only one home screen. Cant see contacts, can't connect to any wifi. May 28 20:28:22 jophish: reflash fresh....mmc too May 28 20:28:43 oh dear May 28 20:29:01 I have hacked about with the mmc a bit May 28 20:29:09 removing MyDocs and expanding home May 28 20:30:17 i'm backing up the whole thing, about to do a full flash May 28 20:30:35 can imagine how you feel May 28 20:30:43 it sucks May 28 20:31:25 * hardaker2 needs to finish his port of the bacula client to the n900 to make backups easier. May 28 20:35:42 hi! who use bluetooth stereo headset with nokia n900? May 28 20:35:49 I am May 28 20:35:51 oioioioi, I use bluetooth headphones May 28 20:38:12 jophish, microlith , tnx for reply. i have strange problems: in firmware PR1.1.1 when i play music all was good. but after update to 1.2 via air, after playing musing (20-30mins), my player stop play music like somebody press STOP button in player. i donno what is it... and whats wrong with my player in n900 May 28 20:38:34 oioioioi, I'm still installing 1.2 at the moment May 28 20:38:48 If you haven't solved your problem when I'm done I will be happy to help May 28 20:38:51 haven't done the music thing over bt May 28 20:39:33 ehh May 28 20:39:35 =( May 28 20:39:38 its strange.... May 28 20:39:52 man this OTA update is taking forever May 28 20:39:59 becouse its hard to press play buttonw every 30 mins May 28 20:40:01 not even 1/2 done yet and it's been over an hour May 28 20:42:03 flashing takes 30s :-P May 28 20:43:48 btw you're allowed to have a nap during OTA upgrade May 28 20:44:30 what? May 28 20:45:30 maybe i should flash it, afterall we do have a flashing station here lol May 28 20:45:46 but no one here that can show me how to use it right now so guess OTA is the only way for me :)' May 28 20:47:16 jcrawford: in Ozz they'd say 'takes just another sixpack' :-P May 28 20:47:49 ;) May 28 20:47:56 then maybe i will have one of those tonight May 28 20:48:15 though it seems stuck on the update May 28 20:48:22 been in the same spot for a while now May 28 20:48:37 don't bother May 28 20:48:52 why ? May 28 20:48:56 as long as it is hot, everything is ok May 28 20:49:10 phone is not hot at all May 28 20:49:36 it was stuck in the downloading process May 28 20:49:53 hmm, then maybe maemo.org is down? May 28 20:54:04 maemo.org was messed up yesterday May 28 20:54:17 at least for me it was May 28 20:54:23 ;( May 28 20:54:24 same May 28 20:54:28 for me too May 28 20:54:34 kinda sucked May 28 20:54:41 sucks for me now too haha May 28 20:55:51 jcrawford, have you tried to reboot it? May 28 20:55:59 expect the 'weekend, let's mess with maemo' effect May 28 20:55:59 check bug 10399 May 28 20:56:00 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10399 Media player randomly stops playing music via BT headset May 28 20:56:00 okay? May 28 20:56:27 heh May 28 20:56:36 hey does updating the firmware through the PC suite delete everything? does it flash all 32GBs of memory? May 28 20:56:51 no offense to nokia May 28 20:57:05 but ovi maps sucks compared to google nav May 28 20:57:18 ovi maps generally sucks May 28 20:57:23 i bought sygic and quite happy with it May 28 20:57:23 :P May 28 20:57:24 heh May 28 20:57:35 maybe someone can port google nav May 28 20:57:37 http://whydidgarycolemandie.com/ May 28 20:57:46 and i am not a big fan of google May 28 20:57:54 but chrome and nav are great May 28 20:58:09 anyone? May 28 20:58:20 anyone update with the Nokia Software updater? May 28 20:58:26 Dantonic: flashing the rootfs pretty much keeps all your data May 28 20:58:29 zaheerm, ping May 28 20:58:43 Dantonic: i had to make a backup May 28 20:58:48 yes it wipes it all May 28 20:58:59 the backup restores everything afterwards May 28 20:59:01 DocScrutinizer51, well the updater says something about wiping everything out not just rootfs May 28 20:59:13 it worked fine May 28 20:59:25 vanadismobile, no have not tried that May 28 20:59:28 no I mean it wipes out EVERYTHING... all files saved all music files video files or anything else on the device, not just system files? May 28 20:59:39 hallå? May 28 20:59:39 no May 28 20:59:43 just restarted the download process, moving again but will see if it stops at the same point May 28 20:59:43 opps wrong chat May 28 20:59:49 music etc stayed there on mine May 28 21:00:00 zChris, haha dong go gangsta in here :) May 28 21:00:09 it wipes the 2G system part May 28 21:00:12 ? :P May 28 21:00:13 ok May 28 21:00:30 make a bckup to get it up and running back to where you were May 28 21:00:33 ok I'm updating without backup May 28 21:00:35 ya I did that May 28 21:00:45 Macer: WHAT????? May 28 21:00:48 but I didn't back up the other 25 gigs of crap I have May 28 21:02:02 Google has gone up quite a lot of the really little roads in the UK. May 28 21:02:08 Macer: either you're mad, or Nokia wants to die May 28 21:02:10 http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Glenrothes,+Fife+KY7+6LA,+United+Kingdom&ll=57.139965,-5.583115&spn=0,0.441513&t=h&z=11&layer=c&cbll=57.139799,-5.58359&panoid=knOwAd_Ypw8aFC7V77Km3g&cbp=12,232.02,,0,12.14 May 28 21:02:36 DocScrutinizer51: then nokia is mad May 28 21:02:44 i did it early yesterday May 28 21:02:56 it wipes and backup restores everything May 28 21:03:07 had to re-download all apps and install May 28 21:03:08 check bug 10399 May 28 21:03:09 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10399 Media player randomly stops playing music via BT headset May 28 21:03:22 it was a one step deal but still took a while May 28 21:03:32 Can anybody read it and think? May 28 21:03:33 Macer: if it whipes my homedir, then I whipe Nokia May 28 21:03:59 oioioioi: I might have had that with the wired headset today May 28 21:04:01 backup restores it May 28 21:04:06 :-P May 28 21:04:19 Macer: definitely NOT May 28 21:04:39 * MohammadAG_ votes for /home not being wiped May 28 21:04:48 lol May 28 21:04:58 hmm now that I think about it... I should have backed up some other things... May 28 21:05:06 * lcuk votes for /home being saved May 28 21:05:15 however most of the data there is useless after a reflash May 28 21:05:23 until the apps using the data come back May 28 21:05:27 lcuk, for prime minister May 28 21:05:35 or if you transfer the backup to a new machine May 28 21:05:56 IMO - really - it should store all of the downloaded apps onto /opt/archive or something May 28 21:05:57 does the backup save the .desktop files? May 28 21:06:10 So it can then just rapidly unpack them May 28 21:06:11 Dantonic, ? what do you mean May 28 21:06:35 and no May 28 21:06:42 the files that create an icon on your desktop... I had created a few to call some remote ssh commands and WOL my desktops May 28 21:06:49 I guess I'll have to recreate them? May 28 21:06:50 lcuk: call my scripts useless just once more :-P May 28 21:06:59 SpeedEvil, the backup app? I just use apt-get now May 28 21:07:07 MohammadAG: yeah May 28 21:07:19 although I don't remember exactly how I wrote them... should have saved a copy May 28 21:07:23 DocScrutinizer51, call my scripts useless just once more and i'll hardwrite an explicit DocScrutinizer51 patch to it :P May 28 21:07:26 SpeedEvil, and I have the debs on my card, so restoring takes about 20-30 minutes with hildon-desktop off May 28 21:07:44 updating software, please wait... May 28 21:07:53 I'm scared May 28 21:07:58 MohammadAG_, you backup? May 28 21:08:11 i just say stuff to #maemo and hope for scrollback May 28 21:08:16 so 10.2010.19.1 is PR1.2 right? May 28 21:08:23 yeah May 28 21:08:34 lcuk, yeah, my debs have been carried over since March May 28 21:08:54 lcuk, I think I have at least 30 healthcheck versions in there May 28 21:09:05 hey May 28 21:09:12 im all ready to flash my n900 May 28 21:09:22 do i need to flash eMMC on it too? May 28 21:09:31 not usually no May 28 21:09:31 not unless you want to May 28 21:09:44 but if you want to wipe out EVERYTHING that ever existed on your device, yes May 28 21:09:57 * Macer orders an ipad May 28 21:10:06 * MohammadAG_ orders a kickban May 28 21:10:14 * lcuk orders a bacon May 28 21:10:24 * MohammadAG_ gives it to lcuk May 28 21:10:27 "a" May 28 21:10:29 mm May 28 21:10:40 update over May 28 21:10:41 :) May 28 21:10:46 just kidding May 28 21:10:56 jusr saw a commercial for it May 28 21:10:56 * MohammadAG_ demands a refund! May 28 21:10:59 Macer, i thought you liked new toys? May 28 21:11:00 * DocScrutinizer51 orders a ~nuke nokia May 28 21:11:17 if that scary story is true May 28 21:11:18 DocScrutinizer51, how many nukes? May 28 21:11:21 lcuk: no. learned that lesson with the touchbook May 28 21:11:26 :-P May 28 21:11:26 why would someone want to wipe out all things on their n900? May 28 21:11:29 she will know May 28 21:11:49 mc_teo: To remove the horse porn before sending it in for service. May 28 21:12:03 xD May 28 21:12:05 mc_teo,why do you wash your pants May 28 21:12:11 hahaha May 28 21:12:16 horse porn May 28 21:12:22 SpeedEvil, !! May 28 21:12:41 service techs probably have the strangest collection of random media May 28 21:12:45 how did you kno... May 28 21:12:51 lcuk, he can't help it, he typo'd zoutube once and was scarred for life May 28 21:13:28 should i see any output on the n900 screen when its beening flashed? May 28 21:13:32 my life is enriched knowing there is such a website. thank you so much MohammadAG_ i shall send the hospital bill to your house May 28 21:14:09 * MohammadAG_ pays lcuk's bill May 28 21:14:16 mc_teo, i dunno o_O i'm always looking at its rear end when im flashing it May 28 21:14:17 and when i try put the n900 in flash mode, it just stays a faded out Nokia screen, and i cant see any usb symbol May 28 21:14:28 mc_teo, just take out battery May 28 21:14:34 put flash cable in May 28 21:14:35 mc_teo: Your battery is possibly quite flat May 28 21:14:41 potentially May 28 21:15:03 start flasher, and when it says "device not detected" put the battery in May 28 21:15:08 (all assuming a full battery May 28 21:15:14 then make a wish :) May 28 21:15:39 sacrifice a virgin May 28 21:16:06 im updating to pr1.2, so are you sure i dont need to flash eMMC too? May 28 21:16:15 did you manage to lose yours this year DocScrutinizer51 May 28 21:16:19 or visit nokia with a SADDAM May 28 21:16:19 mc_teo: No, you don't. May 28 21:17:40 ty May 28 21:18:01 it allegedly whipes the most important data on eMMC anyway, so don't bother May 28 21:18:29 DocScrutinizer51, blue_led replied, I think he doesn't care about fixing the driver... May 28 21:18:45 lcuk: im using maemo_flasher-3.5, does this apply also to your instructions? May 28 21:18:48 hmm May 28 21:18:48 anyone know how to beat scratchbox dns into submission? May 28 21:18:59 dns resolution is a no-go, despite my resolv.conf being OK May 28 21:19:13 mc_teo, yes May 28 21:19:13 mc_teo, yes... May 28 21:19:19 or rather, does your instructions apply to this situation May 28 21:19:21 i use those steps regularly May 28 21:19:38 well wheni start flasher, it gives no outout May 28 21:19:38 i did a LOT of testing with people about reflashing the device to 1.2 :$ May 28 21:19:54 how do you start it May 28 21:20:10 ~flashing May 28 21:20:11 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 28 21:20:26 Whats this May 28 21:20:35 MeeGO for N900 avaiable for download? May 28 21:20:36 quite handy how almost all the strings i needed for fmms is shipped with device \o/ May 28 21:20:53 :D how bizarre May 28 21:20:59 indeed May 28 21:21:30 honestly now, dudes. has anybody experienced ~user being nuked on upgrade? I feel scared :-/ May 28 21:21:41 lcuk: do i need to do that whole "u" thing to put it in flash mode? May 28 21:21:43 DocScrutinizer51, i still have my logs May 28 21:21:47 DocScrutinizer: wfm May 28 21:21:52 mc_teo, no May 28 21:21:52 k May 28 21:21:53 mc_teo: no May 28 21:21:58 mc_teo: not if you pulled the battery May 28 21:22:09 macer scared the shit out of me May 28 21:22:33 DocScrutinizer51, ~ will be nuked (jk :)) May 28 21:23:06 ngggggggggggggggggggggggggh. May 28 21:23:10 nsswitch.conf is fine too May 28 21:23:14 * w00t_ wonders what he's missing May 28 21:23:15 DocScrutinizer51, the whole bug fix only applies to reflashing May 28 21:23:24 w00t_, a connection? :) May 28 21:23:33 MohammadAG_: if I didn't have that, I wouldn't be talking to you :-) May 28 21:24:08 w00t_, I thought it was interactive lag May 28 21:24:33 w00t_: syslog-ngggggggggggg.h ? May 28 21:24:37 on finnish n900 keymap, where is . May 28 21:24:48 left arrow May 28 21:24:54 or, where left arrow is on yours May 28 21:25:02 sure, thanks May 28 21:25:04 next to the space bar? May 28 21:25:06 ie to the right of space May 28 21:25:20 MohammadAG_, i have a folder .mo May 28 21:25:28 on a device i flashed a few minutes May 28 21:25:29 ago May 28 21:25:39 from a discussion we made about ~ being cleared a while ago May 28 21:25:53 its been flashed at least 10 times since that discussion May 28 21:25:55 it doesn't get cleared from what I see May 28 21:26:05 i reflashed to 1.2 May 28 21:26:05 MohammadAG_: damn I told ya to hide that stuff better May 28 21:26:07 ~/.mo actually May 28 21:26:22 im just confirming :) May 28 21:26:26 DocScrutinizer51, uhh? May 28 21:26:35 to help DocScrutinizer51 May 28 21:26:36 lcuk, +1 bacon May 28 21:26:47 * MohammadAG_ tests lcuk's eyes May 28 21:26:54 you didn't see that did you :P May 28 21:26:55 MohammadAG_: it's fine to call the virus mo, but HIDE THE SHIT May 28 21:26:57 my eyes are fine May 28 21:27:00 they even autofocus now May 28 21:27:25 * MohammadAG_ is confused :S May 28 21:27:32 what does this virus do? May 28 21:27:36 lcuk, cool, do they have AF? May 28 21:27:40 oh yeah, Im in Ireland, does this count as being in UK? May 28 21:27:42 err, red light May 28 21:27:46 what virus? May 28 21:27:51 lasers May 28 21:27:58 some silly people still think ireland is part of UK :( May 28 21:27:58 ask MohammadAG_ , he coded the thing May 28 21:28:04 lcuk, and a Xenon flash? May 28 21:28:22 DocScrutinizer51, grr, I was gonna distribute it on the store! May 28 21:28:26 xenon? this thing has magnesium grenades May 28 21:28:41 grenades are ftw May 28 21:28:58 they really help add backlight in a dim room May 28 21:29:03 mc_teo: Some is. May 28 21:29:07 brings out the contrast May 28 21:29:10 I put in my request for permission to upload to extras-devel a few hours ago...how long does it usually take to hear back? May 28 21:29:17 lcuk, flashbangs work better for that May 28 21:29:18 MohammadAG_: rename it to bacon, I always thought that's a better name May 28 21:29:32 thunderfest, 24-48 hours, but you hit at the start of a weekend May 28 21:29:34 DocScrutinizer51, done May 28 21:29:39 so its potentially going to be sometime monday May 28 21:29:58 MohammadAG_, flashbangs are magnesium grenades afaik May 28 21:30:06 DocScrutinizer51, shall I package it with i2cset? May 28 21:30:19 lcuk, grrr May 28 21:30:21 :p May 28 21:30:24 bah May 28 21:30:25 thats fine I probably wont really be ready to upload until late next week or the week after May 28 21:30:58 lcuk, is that a bah, or a baaaah (in which case I'll just moo back) May 28 21:31:19 it was a bah because wikipedia didnt say same thing May 28 21:31:30 but then relented within when it told of composition of flashbangs May 28 21:31:31 The filler consists of about 4.5 grams of a pyrotechnic metal-oxidant mix of magnesium or aluminium and an oxidizer such as ammonium perchlorate or potassium perchlorate. May 28 21:31:33 hah! May 28 21:31:41 * MohammadAG_ 1 : 0 lcuk May 28 21:31:46 ahem ^ May 28 21:31:51 catching up on fringe May 28 21:32:01 lcuk 2 : -1 MohammadAG_ May 28 21:32:09 is there any place to tweak the volume levela May 28 21:32:10 olivia is kind of that.. not hot hot May 28 21:32:14 levels May 28 21:32:16 lcuk, i was referring to the aluminum one May 28 21:32:17 like hilary swank May 28 21:32:25 * MohammadAG_ 2 : 2 lcuk May 28 21:32:37 its like having to keep vol near minimum for earplugs May 28 21:32:44 annoying :p May 28 21:32:52 near minimum is good May 28 21:32:55 saves your ears May 28 21:32:58 just max it out, no warranty for your ears May 28 21:33:05 pardon? May 28 21:33:13 haha May 28 21:33:13 id like to be able to tone down the global max volume May 28 21:33:30 red use alsamixer May 28 21:33:34 the volume slider goes way too high : May 28 21:33:36 alsamixer -c 0 May 28 21:33:55 I wonder if MeeGo will have a multitouch alsamixer May 28 21:34:03 can never win, "music is too quiet" "ok we made it go to 11" "ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" May 28 21:34:41 the nokia provided headphones are wickedly effective May 28 21:34:48 indeed May 28 21:34:55 are you meant to force them right into ears May 28 21:35:00 or sit on outer edge May 28 21:35:01 especially when you're surrounded by annoying people May 28 21:35:11 lcuk, force, like a plug May 28 21:35:14 cos i cant hear a thing from outside world with em in May 28 21:35:20 like proper ear plugs then ok May 28 21:35:24 lcuk, noise cancellation May 28 21:35:36 lcuk, you should try the BH-905 :) May 28 21:35:36 hence needing only a very tiny volume to drive them May 28 21:35:52 lcuk, actually remove the plugs and try them May 28 21:36:03 the volume is pretty low without the bugs May 28 21:36:05 buds* May 28 21:36:12 yeah sure i understand May 28 21:36:17 its only a tiny resonator May 28 21:36:32 but inside ear canal only and with no background thats plenty May 28 21:36:40 yeah May 28 21:36:52 lcuk, the BH-905 uses a different method though May 28 21:37:15 direct neural implant? May 28 21:37:31 8 microphones are used to 'hear' outside sounds May 28 21:37:32 lol May 28 21:37:47 portrait contacts would be nice May 28 21:37:55 exactly what i was looking for, splendid! ty MohammadAG_ May 28 21:37:57 :) May 28 21:37:58 Macer, ctrl shift R May 28 21:38:14 now i dare touch canola2 vol slider with earphones on :0 May 28 21:38:23 lcuk: would being on windows change your instructions? May 28 21:38:24 hehe May 28 21:38:24 whoa.. seriously? May 28 21:38:42 Macer, it's a debug feature, don't expect miracles May 28 21:38:52 portrait on screen keyboard is what i want :/ no use having portrait apps if you can't type May 28 21:39:09 whoa May 28 21:39:14 mc_teo, because windows is "special" May 28 21:39:14 PR2.1 May 28 21:39:16 awesome May 28 21:39:27 opera mobile has portrait mode May 28 21:39:39 and has an on-screen keyboard available May 28 21:39:39 id just want the contact popup gui to work in portrait May 28 21:39:47 arachnist: because it uses it's own on screen keyboard May 28 21:39:57 lcuk: no because it sucks May 28 21:40:07 red: it does if you open it in the phone app May 28 21:40:13 a lot of time i have to rddial and click on buttons sideways since im holding phone in portrait after a call May 28 21:40:26 svanheulen: ye but not when one clicks from desktop May 28 21:40:32 which id prefer May 28 21:41:21 whoa lol May 28 21:41:25 red: yeah but if you open the contact list from the phone app you also have the bonus of it only showing contacts with a phone number May 28 21:41:41 terminal goes in portrait @ifi close keyb slider :D May 28 21:41:42 lcuk: and because your instructions dont seem to work on ti May 28 21:41:44 it May 28 21:41:58 svanheulen: i call a lot via skype May 28 21:42:45 u cant even see skype contacts with phone app.. May 28 21:42:53 you can May 28 21:42:59 well.. i can May 28 21:43:40 i see skype contacts in the phone app May 28 21:44:04 i only see skype contacts who have actual phone number visible May 28 21:44:14 not skype-only contacts May 28 21:44:37 via phone app ->@+3:3£5@£9"5*£5 May 28 21:44:39 nope, got skype only contacts here May 28 21:44:46 oops May 28 21:44:57 select contact i ment to type :) May 28 21:45:20 mh, wonder why i dont May 28 21:45:29 whoa May 28 21:45:36 Anyone not upgraded to 1.2, can they comment on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 as they do? May 28 21:45:37 Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. May 28 21:45:37 it rotates everything? May 28 21:45:47 I recall you could view the terms and conditions on first boot after flash, there was a link before a dialog 'done' May 28 21:45:48 what about the desktop? :) May 28 21:45:53 Can I submit multiple applications for the programming contest? May 28 21:46:01 n900 is a horrible, horrible phone, but not halfbad as a mini tablet pc May 28 21:46:11 what is it people expect out of a phone May 28 21:46:22 particularly, what makes the N900 bad at it May 28 21:46:27 guess not May 28 21:46:33 No hardware call accept buttons. May 28 21:46:41 accept/reject May 28 21:46:57 because im going to win it.. and I wan't to maximize my odds May 28 21:47:07 microlith: portrait mode :-P May 28 21:47:09 haha May 28 21:47:17 jus letting ya'll know May 28 21:47:18 * Macer hides May 28 21:47:42 Would it be hard to make pushing the camera button accepting a call? May 28 21:48:02 why is that easier than touching the screen? May 28 21:48:07 just curious May 28 21:48:26 Becuase you can't see the screen May 28 21:48:33 because I often hit the wrong button May 28 21:48:36 when you pick it up from a bag. May 28 21:48:43 Or a pocket May 28 21:48:48 microlith: per user ringtones, swipe to answer, horrid start of call lags at times, timed profiles, multiple profiles and ways to set certain groups calls to alarm while others dont (aka important calls mode). May 28 21:49:01 ahh May 28 21:49:07 microlith: to mention some basics that older models handled fine May 28 21:49:25 well, all the older models in the N900's lineage lacked call support completely May 28 21:49:33 everything else is symbian May 28 21:49:39 SpeedEvil: fair enough May 28 21:49:40 ye May 28 21:49:42 still May 28 21:49:59 newer fancier model -> lose base functionality :p May 28 21:50:15 was a shock to realize that all was really not there May 28 21:50:25 Mh. So, it seems like automatic rotation doesn't work here. Neither in microb nor opera, which apparently are both supposed to do something when physically rotating the device. I installed attitude to see if stuff works and it does. May 28 21:50:29 considering price range :) May 28 21:50:46 Shapeshifter: rotation works in microb May 28 21:50:50 Shapeshifter: have you see settings? May 28 21:50:55 yeah it's enabled May 28 21:51:01 in 1.2 it has an option May 28 21:51:01 Macer: I just said it doesn't for me xD May 28 21:51:09 microb ctrl shidt something to activate May 28 21:51:10 heh May 28 21:51:11 isnt it May 28 21:51:15 no May 28 21:51:23 it is an option in settings May 28 21:51:30 oh its an option now? :p May 28 21:51:32 The option is enabled. May 28 21:51:36 exit microb and start it again and try May 28 21:51:42 I rebooted and everything May 28 21:51:43 installed 1,2 few hours ago so May 28 21:51:58 weird. maybe you have a lemon :) May 28 21:52:32 worked fine here.. but the browsing is better in landscape for me.. i turned it off May 28 21:52:56 i want a rotating portrait desktop and media player more than anything :) May 28 21:53:05 I don't really care either I'm just wondering why it's broken. May 28 21:53:07 * microlith frowns as glxgears renders an empty window at 18FPS May 28 21:59:14 hello May 28 21:59:27 guys how do one scroll a window if it is bigger than the screen ? May 28 21:59:33 or drag up ? May 28 22:00:33 I mean I have the accept button not visible :( how do I move the window so I can click on the button ? this is easy on gnome/kde by using ctrl + left click + drag May 28 22:01:01 on what software? May 28 22:01:07 n810 diablo May 28 22:01:09 does PR 1.2 support ogg playback standard? May 28 22:01:10 ah May 28 22:01:15 kpoman: sorry - no idea. May 28 22:01:19 SpeedEvil: in general May 28 22:01:25 is ther ea shortcut to drag ? May 28 22:01:38 kpoman: In n900, only in browser mode. May 28 22:01:39 or do I still need the ogg support package? May 28 22:01:48 kpoman: that is a task of the window manager in charge and might vary from WM to WM. May 28 22:02:01 Shapeshifter: matchbox right ? May 28 22:02:08 Shapeshifter: for n810 i mean May 28 22:04:02 ? May 28 22:04:16 so how much free space do I need for 1.2? May 28 22:05:07 koala_man: ~50M May 28 22:05:25 I have 51.6, but it's still asking me to connect via usb May 28 22:05:50 See 'details' May 28 22:06:05 have you dopnloaded stuff from extras-devel/testing? May 28 22:06:18 yes May 28 22:06:59 how do I determine what was installed from extras-devel so I can uninstall it? May 28 22:07:08 It's likely that you've downloaded a conflicting package May 28 22:07:23 generally - anything beginning with 'q' is a fair bet May 28 22:07:30 it doesn't say anything under "Problems", the tab is blank May 28 22:07:42 hmm May 28 22:07:52 I've never hit an issue - so I'm not sure where to go. May 28 22:08:01 I'd try removing some apps May 28 22:11:58 Dantonic: http://www.vorbis.com/music/Epoq-Lepidoptera.ogg - will not play on standard media player May 28 22:12:37 While upgrading to 1.2 - if it works koala_man - can you check out where the terms and condiions are? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 May 28 22:12:38 Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. May 28 22:13:32 so it seems like the whole of gtk is picking up my .Xdefaults. Funny side effect really May 28 22:14:07 And doing what? May 28 22:15:34 I used the one from my desktop and it contained Xft*dpi: 120. That makes all the fonts too big ;) May 28 22:17:33 (uhm so yeah, nothing to do with gtk really) May 28 22:17:58 any facebrick users, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=686905&postcount=423 May 28 22:18:57 grrr.... May 28 22:19:13 can someone help me May 28 22:19:54 my n900 wont get past the PIN screen May 28 22:20:09 because some symlinking didnt work May 28 22:20:23 so now it cant be turned fully on May 28 22:20:36 since i am using windows, i cant flash it either May 28 22:20:39 what do? May 28 22:21:32 I would cry May 28 22:21:48 you can flash in windows? May 28 22:23:20 http://www.maemofanatics.com/how-to-flash-your-nokia-n900/ May 28 22:23:26 thanks SpeedEvil May 28 22:27:11 CLabel: i love you May 28 22:27:18 its official May 28 22:28:00 lcuk told me not to bother doing putting it in to flashing mode, but now that i did, it worked first time May 28 22:28:13 woo!, its rebooting! May 28 22:28:22 Yes - lcuk spouts almost as much bad advice as me at times. :) May 28 22:28:52 Working out exactly which of the very many states it's in during flashing can be a bit tricky. May 28 22:28:55 this is supposed to be a rather long reboot, since its opt-something it all May 28 22:29:04 It takes a few mins May 28 22:29:07 Also May 28 22:29:16 Can you check out the above bug? May 28 22:29:35 which is? May 28 22:29:43 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 May 28 22:29:43 Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. May 28 22:29:59 on first boot - there should be a dialog asking you to accept terms and conditions of use. May 28 22:30:15 I think it's in a box with 'done' - and there's a link to read the T&Cs May 28 22:30:25 Can you check this is where it is? May 28 22:30:43 im on that screen now May 28 22:30:59 it displayed time + region details first May 28 22:31:04 ah May 28 22:31:16 Do you have an account on bugzilla? May 28 22:31:25 err - bugs.maemo.org May 28 22:31:52 just a message from OVI, saying you agree to Nokia's terms by continuing May 28 22:32:07 is there a link there letting you read the terms? May 28 22:32:14 or a button? May 28 22:32:17 yes, ill try it May 28 22:32:20 well a button May 28 22:32:36 of similar style to the "done" button May 28 22:32:41 ah - ok. May 28 22:34:34 and from that bug report, it looks like he's arguing its purpose, rather than its functionality May 28 22:34:51 I think he just diddn't see it. May 28 22:34:52 hm May 28 22:34:55 And so can't confirm. May 28 22:35:14 Do you want to comment - or should I comment on it on your behalf? May 28 22:36:03 comment on my behalf please May 28 22:36:13 i am too lazy to make an account May 28 22:36:18 k May 28 22:36:57 and i dont know if its counted as a bug, but when i started it, the theme and widgets were all mixed up May 28 22:37:39 k May 28 22:37:47 That's as I understand normal May 28 22:37:54 It corrects in a few seconds? May 28 22:38:37 are we ever gonna get portrait mode for the N900? full portrait? May 28 22:39:41 * lcuk slaps SpeedEvil May 28 22:39:42 Mh, so what exactly is the WM on maemo5? "hildon"? hildon-desktop? May 28 22:40:40 Shapeshifter, libmatchbox May 28 22:40:48 lcuk: ah May 28 22:41:12 lcuk: thanks May 28 22:41:12 SpeedEvil, which bad advice to you spout May 28 22:42:00 I'm sure there must be some. May 28 22:44:14 SpeedEvil: i didnt wait to find out, i just changed the theme to my usual one May 28 22:45:26 oh - I recalled some immedaite visial disturbance which went away fast May 28 22:45:42 that sounds different. May 28 22:45:50 where can i get wpa_suplicant for n900? i need to connect into cisco leap autentication wlan May 28 22:46:22 is wpa_suplicant best way? May 28 22:46:48 Hehe. Nokia survey site. May 28 22:46:50 language. May 28 22:46:55 English. May 28 22:47:02 English. (Android) May 28 22:49:30 Is there a result from the n900 survey yet? May 28 22:50:19 does someone know what package contains diff? May 28 22:50:30 it's not in coreutils-gnu apparently. or at least not in PATH May 28 22:50:53 apt-cache search diff | grep gnu May 28 22:50:55 diffutils-gnu - File comparison utilities May 28 22:51:08 hardaker2: thanks May 28 22:51:24 I wish backup would remember apt-get iinstalled packages :-( May 28 22:52:20 cehteh: I'm unsure they will be published. May 28 22:52:45 cehteh: The first part recently concluded. May 28 23:07:24 hi, how to change mac on (official) PR 1.2 ? May 28 23:08:19 echo newname > etc/hostname doen't work..((( May 28 23:08:46 plz help May 28 23:12:02 Why MAC? May 28 23:12:12 hostname is not MAC May 28 23:13:56 ifconfig DEV hw ether MAC May 28 23:14:15 may differ for non-ethernet devices May 28 23:17:08 it is done! May 28 23:17:31 i am on my n900 as i speak May 28 23:17:39 aloud as i type May 28 23:17:59 pretending to be morgan freemans voice May 28 23:19:13 is the new ovi out yet? May 28 23:19:47 mc_teo: at least you're not gordon freeman May 28 23:20:18 lcuk, I can not do what I want, but it is about, could you help me? :(( May 28 23:21:20 :) May 28 23:23:41 the n900 is so smooth after a full flash :) May 28 23:23:48 guess it was loaded May 28 23:24:20 i need to find my damn usb cable May 28 23:24:22 cure`: as opposed to ota? May 28 23:24:56 ota means going though that application manager? May 28 23:25:14 :) Damn, Didn't know that Java and mobile hotspot (including custom kernel) could be installed through app manager. Freaking awsome May 28 23:25:19 yeah, Over The Air May 28 23:25:30 yeah that dosent work for me >.< May 28 23:25:39 ota? May 28 23:25:39 i upgraded to 1.2 ota, i wonder if i should reflash it instead. May 28 23:26:04 * Dassu had problems with OTA 1.2. Didn't install May 28 23:26:05 my phone was just loaded with all kinds of apps i've tried since i got it May 28 23:26:25 i had 1.1 before today May 28 23:26:25 goes to that back up thing and just stops -.- May 28 23:27:48 Oh no! gnuite.com is down. May 28 23:28:23 Dassu: What java and hotspot? May 28 23:30:43 n900-dk: Java is included in the microemulator and the Hotspot is called mobilehotspot May 28 23:35:12 oh i reflashed it under fedora, no probs May 28 23:42:59 Hi, does anyone here speak portuguese? How do I say: "Peak Download Rate" May 28 23:43:45 http://translate.google.com/ May 28 23:44:35 Well... "Peak" does not translate very well. May 28 23:51:02 ~seen andrewfblack May 28 23:51:03 andrewfblack <~927e3333@gateway/web/freenode/x-cwsfwsnrxdwxikmc> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 29m 29s ago, saying: 'was their any change to Maemo supporting WPA2-Enterprise in Pr 1.2?'. May 28 23:56:41 holy 1.2 battery life jump batman May 28 23:57:35 >.< May 28 23:57:44 seem to be getting double the battery life now May 28 23:58:58 how'd you update? May 28 23:59:27 seems the same to me May 28 23:59:30 Proteous: I would agroo May 28 23:59:37 Well - ... May 28 23:59:51 If you haven't reinstalled some things - then that may explain it May 29 00:00:03 I've found several apps on testing to use ratehr a large amount of battery. May 29 00:00:15 SpeedEvil: no May 29 00:00:25 As a first cut - when idle and connected to ssh - I got >140 hours of battery life. May 29 00:00:25 lopz, doing arrays and collections and dictionaries in c is not trivial. especially so for dynamic ones. you have to learn about c string handling and memory allocation and stuff first May 29 00:01:24 SpeedEvil: there's been an improvement in how either IM or sip, or 3g or wifi useage that's made a dramatic increase in battery life May 29 00:02:26 SpeedEvil: I had an idle n900 sitting on my desk at work running nothing at all and battery life is amazing, but no one uses an n900 like that May 29 00:02:53 no radios = n900 runs for days May 29 00:03:05 wifi on = runs 3 days or so May 29 00:03:18 3g on = barely one day May 29 00:03:24 for me, with 1.1.1 May 29 00:03:31 My N900 dies in less than a day with nothing on. May 29 00:03:33 dunno about 1.2 yet May 29 00:03:38 corecode: after 3 or 4 days it was still > 80% so I would say with no radios would be week(s) May 29 00:03:58 asj_: that was with wifi? May 29 00:04:15 corecode: wifi is a radio so no May 29 00:04:21 lcuk, http://codepad.org/z1ssylxk May 29 00:04:33 derf: install BatteryGraph and see what's wrong May 29 00:04:35 oh May 29 00:05:04 yes, i think battery drain is ~ 5%/day in offline mode May 29 00:05:31 maybe 7 May 29 00:05:50 probably also changes when the battery drains more May 29 00:05:59 corecode: sounds about right, sadly I think my informal test will get cut short next week May 29 00:06:23 lcuk, look, I'm missing that part, that the pass & axiom [i] then return key, that is where the problem is, how I can do to get returns a char * but only the first character .. ? because here I print from & axiom [i] until '\ 0' May 29 00:07:04 ENOPARSE May 29 00:07:20 punctuation? May 29 00:07:45 corecode: EUSEQT ;) May 29 00:08:23 I updated via the nokia software updater May 29 00:08:53 I'm on edge with a ssh session always May 29 00:09:00 open May 29 00:09:22 Hi! Does a darcs binary exist for Maemo 5? May 29 00:09:31 Proteous: edge uses much less power May 29 00:09:33 asj: this was connected to wifi, running a shell script to log battery life every 5s, connectable to over ssh - but yes - quite idle May 29 00:10:06 SpeedEvil: idle accroding to powertop? May 29 00:10:26 asj: fairly also. May 29 00:10:41 asj: I was meaning idle as in not doing mich May 29 00:10:59 SpeedEvil: heh, ok May 29 00:12:18 SpeedEvil: keep in mind though, wifi does use a good bit of power as well. That's really improved over the years, I remember 2 years ago an n78 type device on sip (so effectively idle) would kill it's own bat in a few hours May 29 00:12:32 now we're up to days on wifi, that's pretty huge improvement May 29 00:16:14 good morning May 29 00:16:25 asj: it's on the order of .1%/hour - with powersave at max May 29 00:16:53 that's pretty amaing really, 10mW xmit? wonder how much that changes things May 29 00:17:13 almost none May 29 00:17:31 if it's active - you've got the ~1W power of it being active. May 29 00:17:47 damn May 29 00:17:49 ~.5W May 29 00:18:21 In idle mode - it very rarely transmits too May 29 00:19:29 well that's the power of 802.11 powersaving, you just wake up for beacons every so often May 29 00:19:47 lopz, this gets more and more convoluted :p your result string needs space allocating to it May 29 00:20:20 and returning the thing you passed into it wont be returning just a single character as you indicated May 29 00:20:33 like i said earlier, c memory and bytes need learning May 29 00:21:06 its not something that me poking with your function could do unless you understood why i did the things i did May 29 00:21:24 asj: exaclty. I'm not sure exactly when you transmit - but it's not really often May 29 00:21:39 i could *write* a function which does what you want, but thats not the point here :P May 29 00:22:51 lcuk, in python it's very easy http://codepad.org/p3jnNQi5 hehe May 29 00:24:51 SpeedEvil: it's something like this. Beacon has a bit mask of stations with waiting data, station then sends a power save request (or someting like that), the ap then pumps out the packets. xmit is very short, of course apps might then generate traffic. But if it's only doing keep alives every few mins then that's a huge win, especially since you can sleep through many beacons so rx section is powered down most the time. May 29 00:25:44 asj: I wish I could find a nice explanation of al of this. May 29 00:25:56 asj: I tried reading the standard, and my head exploded. May 29 00:26:20 I was trying to find out where the max data per station, and max hold time was set May 29 00:27:59 SpeedEvil: heh, 6 years ago I worked for a company making ap software, it should be in the standard if there is a max hold time or data, not sure if there is. Can't remember the details. May 29 00:28:10 lopz, a moment May 29 00:28:53 And yes 'it should be in the standard' - doesn't much help if first you have to digest it :) And it's quite self-referential and crosslinked. May 29 00:29:14 SpeedEvil: helps you get to sleep... ;) May 29 00:29:26 True. May 29 00:29:57 For that I have the whirr of the n900 as it does make -j4 bzImage. :) May 29 00:30:23 802.11e-200 seems to have some improved power savings, not sure if that's in active use atm May 29 00:30:36 I plan on some easy entry-level hacking of the bq27x00 driver May 29 00:30:43 Not here. May 29 00:30:51 My AP was gotten a couple of years ago on ebay. May 29 00:30:58 lopz, http://codepad.org/0nG4tNA7 May 29 00:31:16 And diddn't come with a GPL offer. May 29 00:31:20 there's a lot of 802.11 that's not in use sadly (mainly because it's hard to do) May 29 00:31:22 * SpeedEvil stabs dynamode. May 29 00:31:49 lopz, its very easy in c as well, if you know what you are doing with the bytes of memory May 29 00:31:50 Hard to do technically, or requires a lot of reading of the standard? May 29 00:32:03 if all you want is to output to a stream you can just push out either a string or a char May 29 00:32:06 nice and simple May 29 00:32:24 but storing them and reallocating space etc to get the whole string is more tricky May 29 00:33:04 * SpeedEvil really wants a nice embeddable wifi chip. May 29 00:33:07 But meh. May 29 00:34:22 SpeedEvil: technically hard to do right when you incorperate it into a full system. Like having multiple hardware queues for qos. You can do it in the driver, but the OS has to do QOS right (which is hard) and deliver it to you in the right queues. Since the OS can barely do it, and most drivers don't do it so no one improves the OS, then there's no point to doing it in the driver. Chicken/egg issue. May 29 00:34:35 Ah. May 29 00:34:39 lcuk, ok, thanks :) May 29 00:35:02 SpeedEvil: now add millions of APs that may or may not do cool feature and it gets worse May 29 00:35:04 asj: and as it's not used by peripherals, and customers are not clamouring for it, ... May 29 00:35:20 i updated to the last maemo version without issues why so much fuss about installations go wrong? May 29 00:35:35 About the only 'cool thing' that would be a requirement for a new AP would be supporting powersaving well. May 29 00:35:56 SpeedEvil: well they would clamor for it if their SIP calls could work perfectly (since 802.11 is probably the weekest link in SIP), oh but wait customers don't care about sip, and the AP doesn't do it anyways May 29 00:37:01 asj: and their IP backhaul doesn't do QOS anyway May 29 00:37:59 In some ways things would be oh-so-much better if you could rewind back several protocols and start over. May 29 00:38:13 IP, SMTP, HTTP for example. May 29 00:38:35 trying to jam in poorly supported reterofits rarely works well. May 29 00:38:51 SpeedEvil: well those tend to be really "big" these days compared to 128kbit audio stream and worse case jitter is probably 100ms probably much much less. Were as 802.11g running without QOS frequently has 500ms+ jitter issues May 29 00:39:33 Yup. May 29 00:40:35 SpeedEvil: sadly it would probably fail, there was better than IP available but it was too complicated, too control, or too much of a pain. IP was "simple" you just plug and set a few things and voila. May 29 00:41:43 SMTP for example - if there was a way to ask a host 'can mail from this user originate from you?' May 29 00:41:59 SpeedEvil: "of course!" May 29 00:42:02 But that's getting somewhat off-topic :) May 29 00:42:04 err May 29 00:42:21 I meant - some way of asking the users MX server, not the spammer May 29 00:42:46 SpeedEvil: there's too much money in spam for it to be acutally fixed. Yahoo, etc made tons of money from spam May 29 00:43:19 well, not from the spammers, but from selling access to whitelists to companies that want to send "legitimate" emails May 29 00:44:18 where legit is "New products at 1800flowers.com" vs non ledit "B3y v1agara!" May 29 00:44:22 Fixed now - yes. May 29 00:44:39 I once got up to 8% of my ISPs inbound mail. May 29 00:44:47 I was quite active on usenet. May 29 00:45:07 Shortly after Canter and Siegal - I decided to post with each post being a unique message-ID. May 29 00:45:17 SpeedEvil: heh May 29 00:45:35 This worked quite well for some time, and I was able to work out which groups attracted most spam, metrics like mean time to spam, ... May 29 00:46:03 It kind of fell over when I had 20000 of these addresses, and they were all being used to send 500 each mortgage spams. May 29 00:46:17 postfix rules ftw May 29 00:46:37 heh, it's a pita, I used to run my own mailserver, greylisting was great but I finally gave up and use google apps for domains May 29 00:46:59 asj_, i dont even greylist and i get 0 spam May 29 00:47:15 just a good postconf and amavis May 29 00:47:18 swc|666: OMG you're John C Devorak? May 29 00:47:22 not even using spamassassin May 29 00:47:31 swc|666: Postfix rules don't really help when you're at the end of a 64kbit line trying to recieve 300 messages a second by smtp. May 29 00:47:52 hey May 29 00:47:52 so sup May 29 00:47:52 watched wolfman May 29 00:48:01 SpeedEvil, thats where rate limiting and/or an IPS helps May 29 00:48:18 oh 64kbit May 29 00:48:20 lol May 29 00:48:23 swc|666: Yes - however - this was ~2000 May 29 00:48:51 * swc|666 just got 2 38/19 lines today May 29 00:50:07 i never got surprise party May 29 00:50:36 * ZogG_N900 watching breaking bad May 29 00:50:58 s1e1 May 29 00:51:28 ZogG_N900: ugh I couldn't take too much of that show, just wait till the bathtub scene May 29 00:51:42 (and I did like Deadwood, if that's saying anything) May 29 00:52:10 asj_ watched flashforward May 29 00:52:14 great show May 29 00:52:30 closed it. damn america ) May 29 00:53:34 flashforward ftw \o/ May 29 00:53:38 wow. she is jerking him off ) May 29 00:54:01 pronto closed with not a single answer May 29 00:54:09 lol May 29 00:54:15 answers are overrated May 29 00:54:22 haahahhaha May 29 00:54:23 huh, any one found a bug on the n900 where is reverse balance on audio output? May 29 00:54:31 give us more questions! May 29 00:54:35 as in left becomes right, and it alternates? May 29 00:55:26 not a bug May 29 00:55:34 fetuare May 29 00:55:44 I'm trying to figure out whether I can tether my new n900 to my AT&T-connected n85 via bluetooth so that the n900 can make use of the AT&T connection. I keep finding things that seem to imply this is possible but that dismiss it without saying how (and usually go on to explain how to tether a laptop to the n900, which isn't the direction I need to go). Any help would be appreciated. May 29 00:55:53 i didnt even found where to set balance yet May 29 00:56:11 ) May 29 00:56:20 cehteh: alsamixer -c0 all the settings you could ever want May 29 00:56:38 ah i was thinking about media player gui May 29 00:56:51 cehteh: I wish May 29 00:57:25 you can make gui for that May 29 00:57:36 i dont really need it May 29 00:57:41 well it would be easier just to port kmix May 29 00:58:05 an eq for the internal speakers and maybe when one uses external speaker might be somewhat useful May 29 00:58:05 no k* programs May 29 00:58:12 no kdelibs May 29 00:58:20 but since i am most often use headphones i dont need a eq May 29 00:58:24 ZogG_N900: kmix is so simple, just bring it back to qt only May 29 00:58:53 it prob depence on kde May 29 00:59:40 alsagui ftw May 29 00:59:42 ZogG_N900: I couldn't imagin for what, I wonder if Qt Mobility multimedia has audio controls like balance/mix/etc with easy acccess May 29 01:00:06 don't think so May 29 01:00:27 anyway we don't get any of it ) May 29 01:00:55 nokia made me negative thinker May 29 01:01:15 Yay for connection bouncing May 29 01:01:25 kilroo why don't you sleep? May 29 01:01:36 I beg your pardon? May 29 01:02:00 i excuse u May 29 01:03:29 Kilroo: tethering like that is similar to laptop tethering. do you have all the network interfaces up? May 29 01:03:56 Getting the network interfaces up can be problematic May 29 01:04:32 budfive: That's a darn good question. If it can be problematic, as SpeedEvil says, then probably not, because I haven't done anything problematic yet. May 29 01:04:44 However - it should be possible similar to pairing any other linux device using bluez with the att mobile May 29 01:06:05 I've never paired anything before at all. Bluez was mentioned in at least one place I was reading; sounds like that might be a less abortive place to start than the tutorials on pairing in the other direction. May 29 01:06:56 I'd start out at a 'pairing my slackware laptop with a phone' tutorial - or something basic May 29 01:07:12 that goes through the commandline - rather than a shiny wizard. May 29 01:08:01 That sounds like a good idea. <3 commandline. May 29 01:09:19 re May 29 01:15:04 http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/component/poll/16-maemo-devices-will-never-be-anything-more-than-a-fad-among-geeky-enthusiasts May 29 01:15:04 :) May 29 01:25:57 hmm May 29 01:26:01 PR1.2++ May 29 01:26:08 I can use max powersave with my AP May 29 01:33:09 lol, I can run azsmrc on n900 :D May 29 01:34:57 how do i tell which firmware i have? May 29 01:35:30 go to settings and "information about the product" (Or similar) May 29 01:37:08 3.2010.02-8.002 <-- i assume this is not the latest one May 29 01:39:28 ~flashing May 29 01:39:29 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 29 01:40:00 ~changelog May 29 01:40:01 somebody said changelog was dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile whatever.deb | tar xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz' | gzip -d | less May 29 01:40:11 ~pr1.2 May 29 01:40:12 it has been said that pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update May 29 01:40:44 26). Version 1.2 (V10.2010.19-1) May 29 01:41:13 does updating the firmware erase all mtsettings? May 29 01:41:21 does updating the firmware erase all my settings? May 29 01:42:17 no May 29 01:42:40 thinking about all the unused GPIO of N900 SoC and GAIA etc, and then figuring the ID pin of 1707 hardwired to a fixed level, I really really would love to be more involved in next NIT's HW development =( May 29 01:43:10 microlith: the wiki says: Flashing a new rootfs image on your device will reset the device back to factory defaults and remove all data except those on the (internal and uSD) memory card: preferences, bookmarks, installed applications, May 29 01:43:31 correct, if you flash the rootfs the contents of the internal memory card are preserved May 29 01:43:36 which is where all of your settings are May 29 01:45:00 which is a pretty fsckng ambiguous wording May 29 01:45:09 microlith: so eMMC is the rootfs and RX-51 is the firmware? I'm confused... May 29 01:45:13 no May 29 01:45:23 there's a 256MB device that stores the rootfs May 29 01:45:43 RX-51 is the Nokia model number for the device May 29 01:47:00 So basically flashing a rootfs fiasco image will keep your /home/user and MyDocs data (first boot will wipe /home/opt though). Flashing a EMMC fiasco image will wipe your complete eMMC internal memory card, thus resetting /home and MyDocs to whatever is in the image May 29 01:47:11 from http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 29 01:47:52 DocScrutinizer, no. May 29 01:48:08 No? did my c&p fail? May 29 01:48:18 DocScrutinizer, I haven't heard from qgil. May 29 01:49:03 can i just flash with the RX and not the eMMC? May 29 01:49:10 yes May 29 01:49:44 but you can not flash the eMMC without flashing a new rootfs May 29 01:50:22 so i lose everything in / but not /home - what about /urs? May 29 01:50:27 GeneralAntilles: ahh, ok. Thanks for the info May 29 01:50:29 i mean /usr May 29 01:50:36 lost May 29 01:51:06 so i gave to manually restore the stupid hoops i jumped through to get some version of cron to work? May 29 01:51:16 yep May 29 01:51:35 propriety sw is shit May 29 01:51:41 though I'd recommed to forget cron and settle for alarmed app May 29 01:52:01 DocScrutinizer: yeah - if i could have ever got it run my scripts... May 29 01:52:26 will run your scripts just like cron, I'd say May 29 01:52:36 just better ;-D May 29 01:52:56 i can't even remmeber what i did May 29 01:53:15 if it doesn't then that's a bug which will be fixed by Shapeshifter in a minute :) May 29 01:54:31 i installed fcron.... May 29 01:54:51 DocScrutinizer: ok - how do I get alarmed to run a script on say a daily basis? May 29 01:55:48 man fcron? :) May 29 01:55:55 open the gui, set the alarm time, a repeat of 'daily', and select 'execute command' or what it's called, and enter the full path to your script or execuable May 29 01:56:37 or, on cli, do a "alarmed --help" May 29 01:57:30 cli interface even supports a crond alike syntax for recurring events May 29 01:58:09 DocScrutinizer: i don't see an execute script option - is this on the new firmware? May 29 01:58:29 plus full power of 'date' abstract time definitions, like "fri in 2 weeks" May 29 01:58:54 uhh, I thought it should be there May 29 01:58:57 mompls May 29 01:59:58 left button: "command execution" May 29 02:00:19 botton text field: "enter command" May 29 02:00:26 what else do you need? May 29 02:00:34 DocScrutinizer: ? May 29 02:00:50 maher: ?? May 29 02:01:12 DocScrutinizer: what is left button and which screen should i press it on? May 29 02:01:30 maher: start alarmed by clicking the icon May 29 02:01:39 maher: click "new event" May 29 02:02:23 maher: click the leftmost of the four buttons saying "alarm", a menu pops up, select "command execution" May 29 02:02:27 DocScrutinizer: do you mean "Clock"? May 29 02:02:36 ALARMED APP May 29 02:02:54 DocScrutinizer: where is it? May 29 02:03:06 extras-devel? May 29 02:06:10 DocScrutinizer: hmmm... I have that in sources.d... - ok - I'm going to update the firmware so that will nuke everything anyway... May 29 02:06:51 Do-m-pie: oh - alarmed is different from alrmd May 29 02:07:05 DocScrutinizer: oh - alarmed is different from alarmd May 29 02:07:20 you bet it is May 29 02:08:37 and it's even powering up your device, in case a scheduled event arrives while the N900 is switched off May 29 02:09:07 oh wow, the made the smilay icons super ugly in pr1.2 o_o May 29 02:09:54 wow, bluetooth tethering in general is starting to look more complicated than I'd anticipated. May 29 02:09:59 maher: probably alarmed won't install flawlessly on PR1.1 May 29 02:10:16 pronto, smiley icons are ugly per definition ;-) May 29 02:10:21 so RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin <--- this is just / not anything else? May 29 02:10:32 yep May 29 02:10:33 ShadowJK: well yeah, but they've made them worse , still no way to disable them? May 29 02:10:45 (plus /home/opt) May 29 02:10:47 dunno :( May 29 02:11:42 x.x May 29 02:11:56 oh well - i have backups May 29 02:13:03 maher: well, actually it's kernel, plus /, plus a script that will optify some things and erase /home/opt/* during the process May 29 02:13:24 maher: that's why it's called "COMBINED" I guess May 29 02:13:40 DocScrutinizer: one day debian will run natively on these things... May 29 02:13:52 meego May 29 02:15:21 though I guess you could install a debian as well, even natively. You just will lose phone, wlan?, GFX-accel, and charging May 29 02:15:48 heh May 29 02:15:51 who needs charging May 29 02:15:58 wlan? for losers May 29 02:16:20 yeah, especially since I could toss you a one-liner to make it charge ;-P May 29 02:17:18 I don't get it May 29 02:17:20 heh May 29 02:17:35 and chances are it will charge for 32minutes and up to 3.7V even without that oneliner May 29 02:17:54 DocScrutinizer: no - it has to be debian, because no else cares about upgrade in place May 29 02:18:14 Arch linux on a phone May 29 02:18:19 whatever you say, honey :-) May 29 02:18:54 ok - what do you do when your device is bricked? May 29 02:18:56 * DocScrutinizer back to TV May 29 02:19:34 ~flashing May 29 02:19:36 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 29 02:19:54 is the method of choice for 'bricked' devices May 29 02:21:06 ok - it did something May 29 02:23:13 i lost both terminal and ssh - gordon bennet May 29 02:25:25 doh May 29 02:34:51 does the maemo dpkg support --set-selections? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 29 02:59:57 2010