**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 30 02:59:56 2010 May 30 02:59:57 'git tag' needs to become aware of version sorting May 30 02:59:58 -.- May 30 03:00:22 as in, put RCs *before* the final May 30 03:06:47 no search applicaiton with PR1.2? May 30 03:11:57 will N900 get a new kernel update? May 30 03:12:40 with PR1.2 it replaced my installed kernel anyway. May 30 03:13:05 it's still .28, right? May 30 03:13:14 yes. May 30 03:13:45 there are patches in linux-omap for .33 rx-51 May 30 03:13:57 from Nov however May 30 03:14:31 I suppose once the next N900 meego release comes, you could probably plug in the .33 kernel from that May 30 03:16:10 LiraNuna, There probably will be no other kernel updates for the n900, in terms of newer releases May 30 03:16:16 The MeeGo kernel will be incompatible May 30 03:16:28 how so? May 30 03:16:38 and so will all mainline kernels that will contain RX 51 code May 30 03:16:48 Termana, http://lwn.net/Articles/362479/ May 30 03:17:13 microlith, theres something in the .28 OMAP kernel that got dropped and MeeGo doesn't need it, so no work is put in to get it back May 30 03:17:35 Termana, why does the N900 need it? May 30 03:18:09 LiraNuna, I believe the code tells Maemo about the boot state, I can't remember exactly but I can look it up if you want May 30 03:18:34 so, what does the meego N900 release use? May 30 03:18:40 I know it got released recently May 30 03:18:50 haven't tried it myself, though so I don't know how complete it is May 30 03:19:06 how you can make kernel incompatible? May 30 03:19:25 Maemo requires non-standard interfaces May 30 03:19:37 Right so the code in particular is the boot tag code I believe May 30 03:20:41 and the OMAP Bootreason code May 30 03:20:41 IIRC the mainliners said to use kernel options or board file stuff to replace it May 30 03:20:49 boot tags, that is May 30 03:21:29 Termana: hmm, glad they had that in back in december >.> May 30 03:21:51 which doesn't really help unless Nokia promises that all N8x0 always have the same boot tag info :p May 30 03:22:38 luke-jr: non-standard interfaces? May 30 03:22:42 luke-jr: any details on that May 30 03:23:02 jacekowski: /proc/bootreason, etc May 30 03:23:14 that can be emulated May 30 03:23:18 in userland May 30 03:23:28 Termana: FWIW tho, I wrote an app to decode /proc/atags including OMAP Boot Tags ;) May 30 03:23:34 ugly hack with ld_preload but it can be done May 30 03:23:54 jacekowski: except that all this stuff runs before your rootfs May 30 03:24:07 and can't be rebuild to work with normal libc May 30 03:24:08 etc May 30 03:24:47 just updated http://elinux.org/N800#Status with 2.6.34 and 2.6.35-so-far FWIW May 30 03:24:53 well, klibc is almost standard libc May 30 03:24:56 Either way, I don't think Maemo will boot/work properly without the kernel code there. There is always the possibility it might work, luckily there is no harm in trying. May 30 03:25:05 2.6.35 added TMP105 implementation... anyone want to do the board side? :P May 30 03:27:35 luke-jr: hmm, it's staticaly linked isn't it? May 30 03:27:44 jacekowski: no May 30 03:28:08 then it can be done really easily May 30 03:28:10 easy* May 30 03:29:07 and worst case scenario just hack whatever uses anything non standard and hardcode some values May 30 03:32:48 but you forget I hate Maemo and therefore have no interest in any of this May 30 03:32:50 :P May 30 03:34:55 besides May 30 03:35:01 what about meego on n900? May 30 03:44:49 is there any UK distributor of beagle board? May 30 03:48:39 alright May 30 03:49:37 ideally in london May 30 03:49:42 and ideally open today May 30 03:49:48 ( i'll be in london today ) May 30 04:28:08 I've downloaded vmware images, lauched in virtualbox. I wanted to use ESbox but after selecting workspace, epty popup appears with no text or buttons, how to fix it? May 30 04:29:43 have you noticed what you said May 30 04:29:51 vmware images in virtualbox May 30 04:30:11 use latest virtualbox May 30 04:30:31 if there is a section in README concerning additions for virtualbox then it's officialy supported May 30 04:30:58 not really May 30 04:31:09 GuestAddition installer should be used only for VirtualBox virtual images May 30 04:31:19 use latest version May 30 04:31:26 then what is the line for if it's not to be used in vbox? May 30 04:31:33 has anyone here touched the aava mobile phone? May 30 04:59:27 Evening... May 30 04:59:37 morning May 30 05:01:26 So, the Qt SDK works, but I guess someone forgot to remove some code XD http://imagebin.ca/view/MQc2TA.html May 30 05:01:39 Look at the bottom of the dialog. May 30 05:21:00 ok I updated virtualbox to 3.2 and not even ubuntu doesn't boot May 30 06:01:18 yo yo yo maemiggers ) May 30 06:02:23 do i need to set fn+backspace as tab somewhere or it's outofbox? May 30 06:03:37 sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't =( May 30 06:05:03 frals, sup.do you have your own bugtracker or should i report to garage? May 30 06:06:01 ~ping May 30 06:06:02 ~pong May 30 06:06:40 everybody still sleeping ?) May 30 06:07:00 ZogG_N900, firstly, we are not your maemiggers, and that sounds very racist. May 30 06:07:12 Secondly, "yo yo yo", stop trying to sound ethnic May 30 06:07:32 Thirdly, you'll probably need to set it May 30 06:07:52 meh. why is there always some srs guy in here ) May 30 06:08:05 And thats the peter, yes I swear thats the peter May 30 06:08:09 thats the peter panda dance May 30 06:08:11 ! May 30 06:09:45 ZogG_N900, *COUGH* either way, your ON your n900, why not TRY it? May 30 06:10:25 termana i don't think words you can hear in almost everymovie and on tv shows are racist. as well the meaning of original is black. and any word is racist if you want to hear person May 30 06:11:29 still, I doubt we regard ourselves as your "maemiggers" :\ :P May 30 06:11:45 it was joooooooke May 30 06:13:08 and tab is not working ( May 30 06:13:12 ZogG_N900, you think? :P But anyway, you didn't answer my question - why not just TRY it, since your on your n900 anyway May 30 06:13:18 scrap the last bit May 30 06:13:38 ZogG_N900, your only wanting it for xchat right? May 30 06:14:51 not only May 30 06:15:01 the problem it works May 30 06:16:09 thats generally not a problem, thats normally a good thing May 30 06:16:23 :P May 30 06:16:30 wait May 30 06:16:42 and than i reboot and it doesn't May 30 06:17:06 so i need to catch the right boot of phone it would work May 30 06:17:21 say what now? May 30 06:24:08 termana i boot device it works May 30 06:24:22 it would work till reboot May 30 06:25:10 like it doesn't break in the middle that's what i mean May 30 06:25:34 ZogG_N900, are you trying to say: on some boots it works on others it doesnt? May 30 06:25:58 termana exactly May 30 06:32:12 as well some boots virtual keyboard doesn't work but happens once a .... very long time May 30 06:51:49 http://lh4.ggpht.com/_NRWUGak3PFo/TAIK5qwLq5I/AAAAAAAAAgo/y0E-0AQ-oqE/recaller_64.png May 30 06:51:55 i don't like it but just for now May 30 06:52:23 i wish recaller don't blink when pressing :) May 30 06:55:33 would be good for lo-color graphics wall[e] May 30 06:55:58 e.g. 8-bit, where few colors are available May 30 06:56:12 ever do game graphics? May 30 07:00:16 Hi all ;) May 30 07:02:03 huhu May 30 07:03:55 pupnik: yes May 30 07:04:12 pupnik: i have been working in a game company hehe May 30 07:04:22 :) May 30 07:04:44 it shows. your stuff pops to the eye. :) May 30 07:05:01 hehe May 30 07:05:08 Any way to use desktop command execution widget to see the current cpu frequency? May 30 07:05:39 better focus on completing my theme May 30 07:07:06 Please, tell me at your experience what is the average price of N900 in your region(name it) . Secondly is it reasonable to pay for the subject 380$, or it's a kind of joke? May 30 07:07:49 http://nokia-n900.com/maemo-5-vs-android-2-1/ May 30 07:07:50 wtf May 30 07:08:00 isn't that comparing apples to oranges? May 30 07:09:16 K0JIbKA: 450 euro in germany May 30 07:10:14 ColdFyre: do the devices compete in the same market May 30 07:10:33 pupnik: count one May 30 07:10:39 K0JIbKA; 5995SEK sweden May 30 07:10:53 well yes but each has a different target audience May 30 07:11:01 Trizt:two May 30 07:11:12 K0JIbKA; just go to the different nokia shops online and you get prices there May 30 07:12:08 n900 was built to lure foss dev to build nokia free apps :) May 30 07:12:21 ColdFyre: i thinl maemo wants to target more than a few linux users May 30 07:12:27 Trizt: I'm going to save on purchase, delivery might rise the expense though May 30 07:13:21 okey, try to get in touch with someone who works at the Chinese factory, they may be able to slip one to you for 2 -3 months sallery May 30 07:13:48 Trizt: :) May 30 07:14:43 Any experience in that? May 30 07:14:43 not sure if they get as lousy pay as those working with apple products May 30 07:15:19 K0JIbKA; no, I don't have. Keep in mind that warranties may work quite differently in different countries too May 30 07:16:50 $614 in bangkok May 30 07:16:57 Here in Russia they charge from 350 to 850 USD a piece May 30 07:17:35 K0JIbKA; I think that 350 will be difficult to beat, specially if i's a unlocked one May 30 07:17:56 K0JIbKA, oddly, i paid 850 for my first one, then 350 for my second one May 30 07:18:32 Depends on what part of China man comes from maybe May 30 07:18:45 lolyup May 30 07:19:31 swc|666:where's that? May 30 07:19:59 K0JIbKA, the first one i got from an amazon dealer; rthe second one from someone i know May 30 07:20:05 s/rthe/the/ May 30 07:20:05 swc|666 meant: K0JIbKA, the first one i got from an amazon dealer; the second one from someone i know May 30 07:21:03 Means Amazon is a waste, is it? May 30 07:21:23 K0JIbKA, yeah, but at the time .. I *had* to have it May 30 07:21:34 and everywhere else was out of stock May 30 07:22:48 It's a long time for need to change my good old N800 to a new set:/ May 30 07:23:01 haha yeah May 30 07:23:21 * Trizt bought from Nokia, who said it would be delivered before Christmas (confirmed by Nokia staff), delivered after Christmas, they knew how to ruin a Christmas May 30 07:24:17 can i make and receive skype video calls yet? May 30 07:24:23 ya nokia screwed a lot of people May 30 07:24:56 mornin May 30 07:25:06 mc_teo; to make your contact has to enable video chat in their client. May 30 07:25:09 anyone know if underlying mail checking system for modest is a script or binary? I want a simple hack to make each account use different refreshing time. May 30 07:25:09 i've tried making but haven't successfully done it yet May 30 07:25:13 n900 to n900 May 30 07:25:19 but thats due to my bad link May 30 07:25:21 :p May 30 07:25:27 Trizt: 5995SEK - what's the rate for$? May 30 07:25:28 (i think) May 30 07:25:36 anyone successfully done it? May 30 07:26:16 K0JIbKA; hadd to sue my n900 to find that out, 760.07 May 30 07:26:18 well want about using the cam for other things, like msn? May 30 07:26:56 just write a new msn plugin May 30 07:27:11 think there is already 3-4 of those May 30 07:45:01 mohammadag hey May 30 07:45:19 not here ( May 30 07:45:29 hmm, PR1.2 freed ~15mb on rootfs May 30 07:57:21 moin May 30 07:58:31 good morning DocScrutinizer May 30 08:10:19 how can i open rar files on n900? May 30 08:12:38 unrar mc_teo May 30 08:12:50 I've seen some application/plugins for that in the filemanager too May 30 08:12:54 check the app manager May 30 08:14:51 sure i might as well get 7zip May 30 08:15:35 thats what I did May 30 08:22:52 Appiah: does 7zip support rar? May 30 08:23:02 im getting errors here May 30 08:23:30 yupp May 30 08:25:57 im getting loads of errors May 30 08:29:38 wall[e]: binary, I bet May 30 08:30:47 wall[e]: modest, the winner of golden lemon on N900 May 30 08:32:27 wall[e]: honestly, if you want anything more than the absolute basics, you're better off with a webmailer May 30 08:33:36 Claws works May 30 08:34:06 But I am seriously torn between Modest and Tracker on the subject of the golden lemon May 30 08:34:34 when trying to extract a .rar file using 7zip, i get an error unsupported format May 30 08:35:20 RST38h: oh yeah, forgot tracker May 30 08:35:49 mc_teo, use unrar package, not that hard. - Termana, Sent From My Computer May 30 08:36:08 but tracker isn't conceived as a genuine app May 30 08:36:08 actually the error is "unsupported method" May 30 08:36:50 Termana: i would of done that, but i didnt want too apps that do the exact same thing May 30 08:37:19 If its that troublesome, just uninstall unrar when your finished with it May 30 08:39:23 mc_teo: try mc May 30 08:39:57 mc_teo: dunno if it needs unrar or other binary to handle rar files May 30 08:40:10 on PC it works like a charm May 30 08:41:02 mc_teo: probably if it wouldn't allow to run mc, I'd never bought the N900 ;-) May 30 08:41:44 forget hildon file manager, it's incredible crap May 30 08:41:46 useless May 30 08:42:39 :P May 30 08:42:53 mc_teo: I'd had tested it for you, but alas I have no .rar on my N900 ;-) May 30 08:43:01 yeah its working now May 30 08:43:42 when installing 7zip, it mentioned something about a 7zip-rar package May 30 08:43:54 bah May 30 08:43:57 probably needs that to extracr rar May 30 08:44:18 couldn't bother less May 30 08:45:21 the gag of the year, form this channel "I zipped it, as I don't know if you can handle .tar.gz files" May 30 08:46:19 heh May 30 08:46:57 talk.maemo.org can't handle .tar.gz files May 30 08:47:16 well .tgz at least May 30 08:47:18 still choking from laughing each time I think of it May 30 08:47:57 who would want tmo to *handle* .tgz ?? May 30 08:48:12 accept as attachment to post May 30 08:48:21 * DocScrutinizer shrugs May 30 08:48:33 .tar.gz.txt May 30 08:48:41 have fun :-P May 30 08:49:49 somebody told you there's no basic inherent concept of 'file.extensions' in unix? May 30 08:51:23 well, some mime types base on extensions, and tar tries to guess the format from them, but that's about it May 30 08:55:49 DocScrutinizer: yes. And that's good. May 30 08:57:29 btw tmo knows .tar May 30 09:00:24 i wonder why it takes zip but not tgz DocScrutinizer May 30 09:00:51 clearly not a "no binaries" policy May 30 09:00:56 written by redmond zombies? May 30 09:03:03 do I use the same configuration for testing and devel repository after 1.2? May 30 09:03:14 well, I'd prefer a *.tgz.tar to a .zip all days, given the fact tmo knows .tar at least, and also that (un)tar doesn't *need* the extensions May 30 09:03:41 yes delor1 May 30 09:04:43 delor1: alas yes. (was the worst decision of the last 3 months, at least in my opinion) May 30 09:05:28 allegedly it was too much effort to clone these as well, for the incompatible 1.2 packages' versions May 30 09:06:21 DocScrutinizer, hehe thanks. I am thinking if getting php working on the system for webmail make any sense. May 30 09:06:36 lol May 30 09:09:18 mohammadag, here? May 30 09:09:27 frals? May 30 09:10:55 Well - modest is at least open-source so you can fix it. May 30 09:11:04 I notice nobody stepping up to the plate. May 30 09:11:20 * timeless looks for the app downloader dev May 30 09:11:52 speedevil: hey,i posted a patch for modest :) May 30 09:12:04 Well - few people. May 30 09:12:45 I'm slowly getting to the point I'm likely to put out patches for stuff in the next few months. May 30 09:16:26 moin SpeedEvil May 30 09:17:09 I'm somewhat confused regarding the pyside packages on maemo5. It seems like there's pyside-qt4 with for example pyside-qt4-gui, which is 0.2.3 and depends on boost, and this seems to be the default. The only packages I found having something to do with shiboken are libpyside0 and libpyside0.3 but it seems like these only contain some "core" stuff? May 30 09:17:17 At the same time there's the python-pyside metapackge which depends on all the pyside-qt4-* >=0.3.0 packages but the individual packages still depend on boost and are 0.2.3 May 30 09:18:48 ooh, boost AND shiboken. Now that will yield an overwhelming amount of power May 30 09:21:05 in twinkle there's one reference to libboost-regex, and so I once tried to compile it. Turned out the friggin boost package needed some GB of disk storage to build May 30 09:21:46 morning May 30 09:22:09 not really a surprise, given the goal to 'implement the better c++ successor' May 30 09:22:46 who needs qt or c++, we got boost XP May 30 09:26:01 http://domino.watson.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/1e4115aea78b6e7c85256b360066f0d4/7a30ed0aac59bf5d85256d79006f272f?OpenDocument May 30 09:26:13 wonder if such interface is good for phone device May 30 09:28:16 (pop up with transparency like vkb) May 30 09:30:20 Interesting concept May 30 09:32:39 know one client has that implemented May 30 09:33:16 qt provides widgets May 30 09:33:29 which no one wants to use ;) May 30 09:33:47 http://www.collaboration-world.com/gnumail.data/screenshots/v1.2.0pre1/gnumail-gs.png May 30 09:35:04 The thread display could be usefully - in that example - be overlaid vertically onto the message list May 30 09:35:55 * wall[e] nods. May 30 09:42:09 may be on the left with pull-in interface May 30 09:42:50 looks like crop circle, uk will love them. May 30 09:54:38 frals@saviour:~:$ ./fmms_stats.py May 30 09:54:38 Total: 277349 downloads May 30 09:54:38 Minimum: 134 (2010-01-08 00:00:00) May 30 09:54:38 Maximum: 10341 (2010-05-27 00:00:00) May 30 09:54:47 \o/ May 30 09:55:45 I still didn't even try it :/ May 30 09:56:53 frals: hmmh, would it be possible to add fMMS stuff to the sharing services? May 30 09:57:15 ha, it's already available, in “services” :) May 30 09:58:30 yeah :) May 30 09:59:07 MohammadAG, hey called orange May 30 09:59:16 i* May 30 09:59:49 ZogG_N900, what'd they say? May 30 10:00:14 they fixed it May 30 10:00:22 for all N900s? May 30 10:00:35 "We're useless cunts and you can't have more than gprs or to buy any extras 'cos our shop is broken"? May 30 10:00:38 nope it not n900 problem May 30 10:01:06 it is, they detect that it's an N900 and send it to an online album May 30 10:01:16 if frals is right they do it by reading the IMEI May 30 10:01:40 they ignore the useragent at least ;) May 30 10:02:08 well they send it to an online album on the N86 so I'm not sure what's f'd up there :P May 30 10:02:19 ZogG_N900, so does it work now? May 30 10:04:42 moo mr m May 30 10:04:59 MohammadAG, yes ) May 30 10:05:24 moo Dr DocScrutinizer May 30 10:05:31 MohammadAG, they have option or to send to phone or to site. asked to turn it to phone May 30 10:05:47 frals: it's a pity that the stats widget doesn't let you break down extras-devel and extras downloads May 30 10:05:51 (well - also testing) May 30 10:06:02 ZogG_N900, yay, so now I can receive their MMS spam again May 30 10:06:25 stats widget? May 30 10:06:38 DocScrutinizer: well - the download counter May 30 10:06:45 aah May 30 10:06:49 frals, last fmms delete 3g connection on hovac mode May 30 10:07:05 * MohammadAG wonders what an inode is May 30 10:07:24 MohammadAG: wikipedia is your friend May 30 10:07:27 MohammadAG, full context May 30 10:07:43 DocScrutinizer, nah, we had a fight last week May 30 10:07:43 MohammadAG: It's like an ipad, but more one-dimensional. May 30 10:07:45 :P May 30 10:07:50 lol May 30 10:08:15 SpeedEvil: yeah May 30 10:08:18 :-D May 30 10:08:20 Setting filetype for entry '..' in ??? (316714) to 2. May 30 10:08:21 Directory inode 164310, block 1, offset 0: directory corrupted May 30 10:08:21 Salvage? May 30 10:08:38 MohammadAG: inodes are filesystem metadata entries May 30 10:08:39 ZogG_N900: yes, havoc mode hides the connection fmms uses May 30 10:08:41 no, nuke ;-P May 30 10:08:48 guess I'm f'd May 30 10:08:49 Failed to optimize directory ??? (11): EXT2 directory corruptedIllegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for in-use block map May 30 10:08:50 Illegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for block bitmap for /dev/mmcblk1p1 May 30 10:08:50 Warning... fsck.ext3 for device /dev/mmcblk1p1 exited with signal 11. May 30 10:08:53 MohammadAG: they hold data on files and directoried May 30 10:08:54 s May 30 10:09:03 Oh May 30 10:09:15 MohammadAG: I would restart it May 30 10:09:30 the fsck? did that May 30 10:09:34 mohammadag, get in contact with the author? May 30 10:09:38 it's not showing any errors - yet May 30 10:09:48 flux, author? May 30 10:09:54 WHAT? May 30 10:09:55 mohammadag, the author of e2fsck May 30 10:10:02 i'm thinking of installing mobilehotspot because my ADSL is having a stupid day - anything i should know about when installing a custom kernel? May 30 10:10:07 Umm,, why? May 30 10:10:12 e.g. will later updates clobber it? May 30 10:10:14 if the fsck is segfaulting, due to a bug May 30 10:10:14 fsck.ext3 SIG11 ?? :-o May 30 10:10:16 s/,,/.. May 30 10:10:38 BCMM: it just works, normally May 30 10:11:20 Pass 3A: Optimizing directories May 30 10:11:20 Failed to optimize directory ??? (11): EXT2 directory corruptedIllegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for in-use block map May 30 10:11:20 Illegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for block bitmap for /dev/mmcblk1p1 May 30 10:11:20 Warning... fsck.ext3 for device /dev/mmcblk1p1 exited with signal 11. May 30 10:11:43 MohammadAG: you hit y to salvage? May 30 10:11:45 That is probably a worthwhile bug report May 30 10:11:46 frals, so i don't have internet connection at all when it's in hovac? mode May 30 10:11:58 valdyn, I hit enter for everything, so yeah May 30 10:12:16 restarted it with -a May 30 10:12:18 id restore a backup May 30 10:12:28 wow, 3g is a bit faster than my wired internet right now May 30 10:12:30 I don't have a backup lol May 30 10:12:34 err, it should let your normal internet connection be when in havoc unless youve used the mms access point for surfing May 30 10:12:35 after reformatting.. May 30 10:12:36 MohammadAG: that's fsck scary May 30 10:12:48 and this is the end of the building that only has 3g reception on good days... May 30 10:12:58 bah May 30 10:12:59 /dev/mmcblk1p1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. May 30 10:12:59 (i.e., without -a or -p options) May 30 10:13:02 as fsck is the fsckng best tested tool on unix - at least supposed to May 30 10:13:08 MohammadAG, format c: May 30 10:13:16 MohammadAG: so make a backup now, it should be able to get all directories that aren't fucked May 30 10:13:35 MohammadAG, is it mounted? May 30 10:13:38 MohammadAG: make an image very first May 30 10:13:39 ZogG_N900, on linux? seriously? May 30 10:13:43 remount ro May 30 10:13:44 ZogG_N900: no May 30 10:13:57 MohammadAG: mkfs.ext3 is the command in this case May 30 10:13:58 MohammadAG, sure? check mount May 30 10:14:07 It warns me if it's mounted May 30 10:14:12 valdyn, no what? May 30 10:14:15 valdyn, I'm not formatting it May 30 10:14:24 yet May 30 10:14:25 MohammadAG: yes, im just saying May 30 10:14:31 MohammadAG, check for bad blocks May 30 10:14:42 it has bad blocks apparently May 30 10:14:47 haha May 30 10:14:55 MohammadAG: how yould you know that it has bad blocks? May 30 10:14:58 mkfs.ext2 is better May 30 10:15:07 /dev/mmcblk1p1: Duplicate or bad block in use! May 30 10:15:11 it's flash - no? May 30 10:15:22 Pass 3A: Optimizing directories May 30 10:15:23 Failed to optimize directory ??? (11): EXT2 directory corruptedIllegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for in-use block map May 30 10:15:23 Illegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for block bitmap for /dev/mmcblk1p1 May 30 10:15:23 Segmentation fault May 30 10:15:24 lol May 30 10:15:27 yeah May 30 10:15:30 MohammadAG: if you want to recover data, make an IMAGE first, as all tries to fix it can actually play more havoc on it May 30 10:15:42 MohammadAG: that does not mean that the block is bad May 30 10:15:56 fuckin hell what have you done MohammadAG :D May 30 10:16:12 DocScrutinizer, there's something like NFS stale file system or sth May 30 10:16:21 frals: He broke his wookie. May 30 10:16:23 Stale NFS file handle May 30 10:16:25 eeew, know that May 30 10:16:31 lol May 30 10:16:49 that's ext3's common way to tell you the file type of an inode is fscked up May 30 10:17:18 usually fsck.ext3 should fix it May 30 10:17:19 MohammadAG, is it microsd? May 30 10:17:24 yes May 30 10:17:35 why do u use ext3? May 30 10:17:44 why not? May 30 10:17:48 it will kill it faster May 30 10:17:49 cause I need it? May 30 10:17:58 who gives a shit? May 30 10:18:03 do you need journaling May 30 10:18:32 /home's still working and it's ext3 afaik :) May 30 10:18:56 use ext2 May 30 10:19:04 o/ lcuk May 30 10:19:12 lcuk, nice vhost May 30 10:19:36 ZogG_N900, I might look into the qemu stuff and just format the whole partition May 30 10:19:44 (ext4 here I come :P) May 30 10:20:00 are you insane May 30 10:20:47 sometimes, yes :P May 30 10:21:11 use zfs May 30 10:21:32 anyway there are some fs for flash in linux or ext2 May 30 10:21:52 how do i recalibrate my accelerometers, after pr1.2 update one axis is 45deg out May 30 10:22:16 isn't that controlled by HW? May 30 10:22:26 (or i2c related - whatever that is) May 30 10:23:26 MohammadAG: man fsck.ext3, check -b ck d v option May 30 10:23:34 * MohammadAG wants progress bars for rm, mv, and cp May 30 10:23:55 dunno, just noticed that my bubble level app says its level at 45deg now :( May 30 10:23:59 MohammadAG: also I suggest to try and use fsck on a different architecture May 30 10:24:16 i want places or dual view in filemanager May 30 10:25:16 psi check what it uses to get level May 30 10:25:27 and check if you can reset May 30 10:25:29 Psi: plural?? there's only one afaik May 30 10:25:55 app is just called level v1.0 May 30 10:26:05 copyright 2009 offscreen technologies May 30 10:26:23 also games that use the accel are 45deg out too May 30 10:26:23 Psi, check the code May 30 10:26:33 it's closed source May 30 10:26:48 Psi: reboot May 30 10:26:56 * Psi tries SpeedEvils idea May 30 10:27:03 Psi: It's been reported that the acellerometer, or its code can get wedged May 30 10:27:06 MohammadAG: also I suggest to try and use fsck on a different architecture <-- that might be helpful actually May 30 10:27:11 I wouldn't call that an idea ;-P May 30 10:27:27 heh, it quite often fixes problems tho :) May 30 10:27:47 so does qt nokia sdk is only for c++? May 30 10:28:18 MohammadAG: huh? May 30 10:29:14 aaah, I always miss the one line of new text, appended to the 700 lines of quote :-/ May 30 10:29:44 and can i emulate program on it or i still need pr1.2 sdk May 30 10:30:11 ok, reboot hasnt fixed issue, still way out May 30 10:30:19 looks more like 35deg than 45 May 30 10:32:04 * DocScrutinizer51 suggests liqacceltest (or similar name) May 30 10:32:17 watch -n 1 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord May 30 10:32:34 x/y/z - they should be about in the range +-1000, and change as you move the phone May 30 10:33:07 * Psi tries May 30 10:34:02 SpeedEvil: brilliant May 30 10:34:16 flat on desk i get -468 -54 -936 May 30 10:34:23 where is this program. i would check it May 30 10:34:34 I hate it when the indexer runs... May 30 10:34:35 first is off by 400 May 30 10:34:41 psi maybe desk is not straight May 30 10:35:00 ) May 30 10:35:07 Maybe you have a nearby black hole. May 30 10:35:11 ZogG_N900: stop telling nonsense May 30 10:35:14 heh, i doubt its 100% level but thats not really important for this test May 30 10:35:21 Nokia-N900:/media/mmc1# cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord May 30 10:35:22 0 -18 -1026 May 30 10:35:22 flat on desk May 30 10:35:27 Do you notice any hard-x-rays, and an acretion disk in your vicinity? May 30 10:35:44 * Psi checks May 30 10:35:55 Psi: shut down the device completely, remove bat May 30 10:36:32 i would switch off the ZPM powering my PC, but then i couldnt tell you if it fixed the issue May 30 10:36:35 :P May 30 10:36:42 DocScrutinizer51: good idea May 30 10:36:50 * DocScrutinizer51 tries to recall how to reset the lis302 May 30 10:36:53 I wouldn't call that an idea May 30 10:36:54 :P May 30 10:36:59 lol May 30 10:37:16 MohammadAG: exactly May 30 10:37:30 :P May 30 10:37:39 lol May 30 10:37:54 again with the hate on the word 'idea' May 30 10:37:56 damn tracker May 30 10:38:00 what do you have against it May 30 10:38:01 :P May 30 10:38:21 I might come up with another potentially hazardous I2Cset cmd to recalibrate LIS302 :-) May 30 10:38:48 * MohammadAG hides May 30 10:38:54 battery is out May 30 10:38:59 that's what I call an idea May 30 10:39:09 DocScrutinizer, it was obiviously joke May 30 10:40:07 i find it funny that the n900 runs for longer than my openmoko, especially considering the n900 has a smaller battery and is actually running all that time and not in suspend May 30 10:40:09 a poor joke, as the vector sum is off for our planet May 30 10:41:19 Psi: depends. I've seen 140h standby on FR May 30 10:41:41 i only have gta01 May 30 10:41:48 ouch May 30 10:41:52 yeah May 30 10:41:59 Psi5 was a fun game May 30 10:42:01 imagine how awesome i find the n900 tho :) May 30 10:42:06 that one will never get to decent standby time May 30 10:42:11 yeah May 30 10:42:51 Psi: you updated the modem? May 30 10:43:08 MOKO11? May 30 10:43:55 yeah, gsm is latest firmware May 30 10:44:00 unless moko11 is really new May 30 10:44:02 cool May 30 10:44:09 nope May 30 10:44:13 so err May 30 10:44:24 this translation mumbojumbo, whats the prefered way of shipping translations to your app? May 30 10:44:40 ask timeless May 30 10:44:45 i imagine separate packages for each language is not encouraged? May 30 10:45:25 Psi: the CPU in the n900 isn't in some ways 'running' most of the time May 30 10:45:43 Psi: The clock gating and enabling means that most of the time, most of the chip is shut down May 30 10:45:45 it seems N900 come with even inuktitut for all apps May 30 10:45:57 i get 36 18 -1040 ) May 30 10:46:18 psi is this program in extras? May 30 10:46:38 ZogG_N900: so YOUR table is not level May 30 10:47:05 DocScrutinizer: the bias of thelis302dl can be quite bad May 30 10:47:12 I want to know how to properly enable taps May 30 10:47:29 but not 400+ May 30 10:47:38 no May 30 10:47:38 DocScrutinizer, it's not but my friend have option in his phone May 30 10:47:46 ZogG_N900: the level one, i think it may have been on the ovi store May 30 10:49:11 there is also angle meter May 30 10:49:22 there is also levelball May 30 10:49:23 SpeedEvil: it's all n lis302 ds May 30 10:49:36 DocScrutinizer: no, it's not May 30 10:49:49 DocScrutinizer: if you bang the phone, you see /proc/interrupts incrementing May 30 10:49:50 enabling taps? sure May 30 10:49:55 so the kernel driver does something May 30 10:49:56 ooh May 30 10:50:08 na not ooh May 30 10:50:14 quite normal May 30 10:50:37 the gmeter is supposed to work in highpass filter mode May 30 10:50:56 so every g change will trigger an IRQ May 30 10:51:01 DocScrutinizer51, does a USB extender slow transfer speeds? May 30 10:51:15 yes May 30 10:51:47 afaik May 30 10:52:58 SpeedEvil: tap and doubletap detection is a lis302 hw function though May 30 10:53:30 DocScrutinizer: yes - I know May 30 10:53:43 DocScrutinizer51: that fixed it, now its 18 0 -936 May 30 10:53:55 :-D May 30 10:54:01 so looks like cure for out of cal accel is hard reset May 30 10:54:22 Psi: got severe miscalibration I guess May 30 10:54:28 yeah May 30 10:54:42 thanks for ya help May 30 10:54:53 yw May 30 10:55:06 it still isn't an idea May 30 10:55:08 :) May 30 10:55:14 no May 30 10:55:19 :P May 30 10:55:21 it's a SOP May 30 10:55:34 Son Of a Patriot? May 30 10:55:49 standard operation procedure May 30 10:56:14 :P May 30 10:56:18 or starfleet operation protocol May 30 10:56:19 running fsck May 30 10:56:36 eject the warp core !! May 30 10:56:47 jettison warp core May 30 10:56:54 ooh May 30 10:57:09 k my backtranslation sucks May 30 11:03:34 http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NRWUGak3PFo/TAJF9imdenI/AAAAAAAAAgw/KejtFTM59VU/recaller_64_on.png May 30 11:03:39 another render May 30 11:03:45 still don't like it May 30 11:03:51 give up and go building the theme May 30 11:08:42 wall[e]: what is that for May 30 11:10:08 Pass 3A: Optimizing directories May 30 11:10:11 Pass 4: Checking reference counts May 30 11:10:11 Inode 2 ref count is 5, should be 7. Fix? yes May 30 11:10:17 it didn't segfault on my PC May 30 11:10:35 miracle. May 30 11:10:55 segfaulting is a bug, and should be reported as such May 30 11:11:00 It should never segfault May 30 11:11:21 Umm, what would the steps to reproduce be May 30 11:12:31 What's the best way to get n900 communicating with arduino? May 30 11:13:07 MohammadAG: Filesystem image that causes it to segfault May 30 11:13:21 SpeedEvil, I don't have an image... May 30 11:13:23 nikki93: what do you mean by best May 30 11:13:31 SpeedEvil: low latency communication. May 30 11:13:32 Or e2fsdump May 30 11:13:34 SpeedEvil: Low data loss May 30 11:13:44 nikki93: Bluetooth serial port May 30 11:14:11 http://www.provantage.com/quatech-ss-blt-100~7QTCK03Y.htm May 30 11:14:14 something like that May 30 11:14:48 Behold the mighty VAX booting VMS, Satan's favorite operating system! May 30 11:14:50 pupnik: for recaller widget app May 30 11:15:11 Though you want to make sure it's a standard serial port profile, and you can just pair it with the n900 - you only want one of coruse May 30 11:15:12 pupnik: must split into 2 files and put them over the default icon though May 30 11:15:12 SpeedEvil: I see. May 30 11:15:33 That probably isn't suitable May 30 11:15:41 wall[e]: looks like a game to me May 30 11:15:44 i couldn't stand its default icon, didn't like this one but at least i feel a bit better. May 30 11:16:09 pupnik: I am working in a game company (again) :D May 30 11:16:20 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A0634762&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335 looks more like it May 30 11:16:32 my n900 theme i am working on really make it like alien device May 30 11:16:55 will build another one based on hal-9000 interface May 30 11:20:14 I'm trying to lauch ESbox in virtual machine and it always displays empty popup box. I have newest virtualbox (3.2) updated the ubuntu guest (9.10) but this still does not help May 30 11:20:27 http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1926/vboxmaemosdk.png May 30 11:23:32 my bat is low ( May 30 11:24:02 very blank dialog sobczyk. i usually just ssh into the vm May 30 11:24:17 ZogG_N900: you need to swing just before you think it's too late. May 30 11:24:18 work from the shell May 30 11:24:40 ZogG_N900: also always think under the ball -- that is unless there's top spin May 30 11:25:04 crashanddie, i have usb cabel and laptop here ) May 30 11:25:25 ZogG_N900: oh sorry, wrong kind of "bat" May 30 11:25:25 pupnik: but there aren't any buttons, so what's for the dialog May 30 11:25:26 haha people are already angry at me at forum ) May 30 11:25:49 wall[e]: what company? May 30 11:26:01 crashanddie, no. u was talking about the right one May 30 11:26:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=689452#post689452 May 30 11:26:22 tmo goes warez ) May 30 11:27:20 no it doesnt May 30 11:27:36 I don't get the point of releasing buggy VM for development... May 30 11:27:58 sobczyk: it's not really buggy May 30 11:28:15 sobczyk: it's just a test to see if you are a True Coder May 30 11:28:32 only people worthy of the True Coder clan are allowed to develop for Maemo. May 30 11:29:36 I can always use python so this isn't true :P May 30 11:29:55 DocScrutinizer51, ping May 30 11:31:16 i backed upped my phone, reflashed with 1.2+emmc, installed all apps, restored backed up calender and conversation shit, only to find out my phone contacts are gone, didn't export them earlier May 30 11:31:20 ./cry :( May 30 11:32:08 cure maybe u have them on simcard or old phone? May 30 11:32:36 sobczyk: I never said python made you strong enough to be a True Coder. May 30 11:32:38 nope, this is my first mobile phone actually May 30 11:32:46 harsh lesson May 30 11:33:06 your forst mobile is a 500 pound piece of kit? May 30 11:33:10 how old are you? May 30 11:33:33 crashanddie: a small thai company, never do large game, just some small java and iphone May 30 11:33:33 does it matter? i never felt like getting a mobile phone before :P May 30 11:33:37 and nds May 30 11:34:58 wall[e]: you ship me some of that soy sauce in a can in case my gf doesnt May 30 11:35:05 ok, installing xulrunner 1.8 helped May 30 11:35:20 pupnik: hehe, don't like fish sauce? May 30 11:35:45 dunno, it is a thai company. best i ever tried. May 30 11:35:58 golden mountain? May 30 11:36:12 Termana: pong May 30 11:36:31 DocScrutinizer, quick pm? May 30 11:36:37 go ahead May 30 11:36:58 * wall[e] spent 3h/day in kitchen :S May 30 11:38:28 lost the name wall[e] - ill get back to you May 30 11:39:14 ok May 30 11:41:21 owch May 30 11:44:47 recaller looks good to me. it would fit in chrono trigger future world also. wall[e] May 30 12:03:46 Hi! Did anyone tried to restore ~./bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml from Backup? May 30 12:04:59 zaheerm, ping May 30 12:27:30 Hi, anyone here? May 30 12:27:38 no. May 30 12:27:46 we all died due to exploding n900s. May 30 12:27:51 SpeedEvil: sssh May 30 12:27:57 hehe, ok.. May 30 12:28:13 speaking of exploding n900's... May 30 12:28:17 :/ May 30 12:28:18 zalucius: we're all busy watching Eurovision reruns of Belarus May 30 12:28:20 exploding n900s? May 30 12:28:32 * SpeedEvil ponders adding 'n900explode' to the repo. May 30 12:28:32 * pigeon is still waiting for the new ovi store... :( May 30 12:28:40 Mine just got bricked :o( cannot flash it.. May 30 12:28:50 ~flashing May 30 12:28:51 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 30 12:28:59 take the battery out - unplug USB May 30 12:29:01 bummer. howd that happen? May 30 12:29:05 zalucius: it's very hard to truely brick an n900 May 30 12:29:10 start flasher - wait till it says 'no such device - waiting' May 30 12:29:15 plug USB in - put battery in May 30 12:29:19 see what happens May 30 12:29:31 asj: no it's not. May 30 12:29:32 I have tried the flashing command thingy.. but it cant find the device May 30 12:29:45 asj: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd0 or something May 30 12:29:56 SpeedEvil: cold flash it then May 30 12:30:06 tried to unplug it, pulled out battery and still no response. May 30 12:30:12 cold flash? May 30 12:30:12 asj: that wipes the bootloader. May 30 12:30:22 SpeedEvil: you don't need nolo to flash May 30 12:30:39 zalucius: your battery may be dead. Plug it into the charger for half an hour May 30 12:30:44 asj; yes you do. May 30 12:30:47 a finn must have named that bootloader May 30 12:30:52 SpeedEvil: May 30 12:31:01 ive always chuckled at it, even with previous device May 30 12:31:02 battery is almost fully charged. May 30 12:31:33 asj: the bootloader is as I understand it absolutely required to flash. May 30 12:31:49 so.. cold flashing. is that the flasher with -c as paramter? May 30 12:32:10 SpeedEvil: yes, but you can load nolo through flasher May 30 12:32:11 asj: The only other place that could have flashing information is the ROM on the OMAP chip. and that doesn't know how to setup the USB hardware. May 30 12:32:21 asj: not if nolo is not present. May 30 12:32:41 nolo? im totally new at this May 30 12:33:02 zalucius: Sorry - we're having a tangential conversation that's not directly helpful. May 30 12:33:06 zalucius: yes cold flash is -c May 30 12:33:15 zalucius: Why do you think that the battery is full? May 30 12:33:40 battery was full when I began ... May 30 12:34:09 and its plugged to the USB now, and LED often is Green May 30 12:34:41 zalucius: sounds like the device has booted May 30 12:34:44 the computer can identify the device, but the flasher cannot find it May 30 12:34:52 LED being green means it's booted and is running the OS May 30 12:35:00 haha. wars at tmo r started May 30 12:35:01 And BME is lighting the light green. May 30 12:35:14 There is - as I understand it - no other way it will be green. May 30 12:35:22 zalucius: unplug it, remove the battery for at least 10 seconds, then follow the instructions May 30 12:35:32 ok. brb.. :o) May 30 12:35:46 zalucius: even I agree with SpeedEvil ;) May 30 12:35:54 SpeedEvil, battery 100 would do it? May 30 12:36:01 ZogG_N900: no. May 30 12:36:13 ZogG_N900: BME - in concert with MCE turns the light green. May 30 12:36:17 but it's more clever to do with bme May 30 12:36:37 ZogG_N900: There is no lower-level stuff that will make the light green. (in the default install. May 30 12:37:05 hello May 30 12:37:06 So green means it's booted linux - though may be in the act_dead state where it looks off. May 30 12:37:23 ahh, now something new is happening... looks like it works.. yay! May 30 12:37:26 asj: what would enable it to be flashed if nolo wasn't present? May 30 12:37:50 does someone here use ukeyboard ? May 30 12:37:53 SpeedEvil: the omap has some usb access on cold powerup I understand it May 30 12:38:00 SpeedEvil, i dunno. i think you are right. but you can do it other way too May 30 12:38:06 there’s something I don’t figure out May 30 12:38:27 asj: but it is not using the twl4030 USB phy. It needs to know how to setup the 1707 - and it can't. May 30 12:38:42 SpeedEvil, do you mean full battery green? May 30 12:38:47 ZogG: yes May 30 12:38:54 I can’t get the dvorak layout on the onscreen keyboard May 30 12:39:12 though the layout is set for the integrated keyboard May 30 12:39:18 so... now the flasher says "CMT flashed succesfully", do I load the eMMC now? May 30 12:39:28 do I have to change my language to have it available ? May 30 12:39:42 ZogG: there is nothing in the low-level hardware that makes the LED go green. It can only be controlled by software. There is no kernel driver that makes it green. It is only BME telling MCE to make it green - well - to show the 'charged' LED pattern - that makes it green. May 30 12:39:43 (to en_GB that is) May 30 12:40:03 SpeedEvil, and blue? May 30 12:40:17 ZogG: so unless you've been screwing with it - any other colour than yellow - means linux is booted. May 30 12:40:17 SpeedEvil, as the led pattern app May 30 12:40:22 And maybe red. May 30 12:40:36 I vaguely remember some error conditions can cause red. May 30 12:40:47 i saw red once May 30 12:40:56 for less than sec May 30 12:41:03 when taking usb out May 30 12:41:15 I think it means 'charger voltage out of spec' May 30 12:41:33 but still u can make script changing led to colour right? May 30 12:41:36 SpeedEvil: dunno I'm tired and it's bed time May 30 12:41:59 :) May 30 12:42:00 turning it on i mean May 30 12:42:29 ZogG: Once it's booted the kernel - then any scripts or whatever that the kernel runs can do whatever they want to the LED. May 30 12:42:40 so u can grep battery in lshal right? May 30 12:43:25 u can make if 100 than red colour May 30 12:43:28 e.g. May 30 12:43:55 SpeedEvil, but u r right that it's better to use bme May 30 12:44:39 is anyone here using qt sdk or maemo sdk? May 30 12:44:40 BME will interfere in setting LED colours if you don't kill it May 30 12:44:49 it will automatically reset them quite often May 30 12:45:00 It's not hard to setup custom patterns and use them with BME May 30 12:45:18 SpeedEvil, i don't see need and don't think it's safety to play with it May 30 12:45:20 ZogG_N900: qt yes May 30 12:45:36 asj__, have few questions May 30 12:45:45 ZogG_N900: be quick May 30 12:45:53 ZogG_N900: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/led-pattern-editor/0.0.3-1/ then May 30 12:45:55 asj__, is it only for c++ ? May 30 12:46:15 ZogG_N900: I beleive there is PyQt, but I only do c++ May 30 12:46:28 SpeedEvil, as i said i don't need it and think it's unsafety May 30 12:46:54 asj__, and do we have maemo emulator or it's only in maemo sdk? May 30 12:47:22 i just can't get it on 64bit so have only qt sdk May 30 12:47:40 ZogG_N900: can't answer that one May 30 12:47:48 have several ideas for simple apps. the best way to learn little bit ) May 30 12:47:55 oh joy! its alive again :o) Thanks alot for the help. May 30 12:48:17 zalucius, alive linux system is boring May 30 12:48:57 ZogG_N900, I prefer my system to be alive :o) May 30 12:48:59 hmm seems like rebooting the phone in english does not change the on-screen keyboard May 30 12:49:04 * shikamaru wonders why :9 May 30 12:49:05 :/ May 30 12:50:01 shikamaru, u have options in settings? May 30 12:50:13 found it ! May 30 12:50:29 actually it’s not the language of the phone you have to change ! May 30 12:50:39 but the language of the dictionary May 30 12:51:03 there’s a English USA (dvorak) May 30 12:51:06 ZogG: how is stopping BME safer? May 30 12:51:28 once you choose it, the on-screen keyboard changes too in ukeyboard May 30 12:51:30 SpeedEvil, why would i stop it? May 30 12:51:57 SpeedEvil, as i said i don't to touch it (kill change or whatever) May 30 12:52:39 shikamaru, there are several options May 30 12:53:02 hw keyboard. 2 virtual. 2 dictionary for them May 30 12:53:41 If you don't stop it - BME will interrrupt your setting of the LEDs at random times May 30 12:54:15 I see, sorry for the noise then May 30 12:54:58 i don't really care about colours untill they are not pink May 30 12:55:07 shikamaru, it's okay to ask question May 30 12:55:26 :) May 30 12:55:50 SpeedEvil, how does fmms do the led if it does btw? May 30 12:56:19 through BME as I understand it May 30 12:57:06 err May 30 12:57:11 MCE, not BME May 30 12:57:17 for the last several lines May 30 12:57:50 so u send to mce to send to bme? May 30 12:58:05 no - BME has nothing to do with the LEDs May 30 12:58:10 btw what is mce stand for. as i know only what is bme May 30 12:58:19 other than it uses mce to show various notifications to the uer May 30 12:58:33 Unsure May 30 12:58:44 oh. so u meant mce all the last times May 30 12:58:45 fmms activates the led via hildonsvnotificationdaemon May 30 12:58:55 ZogG: yes - sorry May 30 12:59:21 no sorries will cure the disease of the fallen! May 30 12:59:23 what does mce stand for. May 30 12:59:44 Mode Control Entry I think May 30 12:59:52 dassu u mistyped ur nickname May 30 13:00:09 ZogG_N900: http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/wappushhandler.py#line115 May 30 13:00:21 ~mce May 30 13:00:22 MCE = Machine Check Exception May 30 13:00:55 >.< May 30 13:01:06 mce = mode control entity (though it think of it as machine control entity) May 30 13:01:16 morning maemo \o May 30 13:01:25 lo lcuk May 30 13:01:38 noon* ) May 30 13:02:01 lcuk, are u from australia or china? May 30 13:02:04 ) May 30 13:02:22 neither, its just morning in irc May 30 13:02:35 * lcuk has been packing for holiday May 30 13:02:37 ZogG_N900: bme sends a dbus cmd to mce, to light up yellow flashing, or green (or red) indicator LED May 30 13:02:44 mornin lcuk o/ May 30 13:02:51 oh May 30 13:02:53 see wiki "LED patterns" May 30 13:03:26 frals, so u didn't answer about connection. do hovac mode erase connection at all? May 30 13:03:39 i did answer ;) May 30 13:03:44 mornin lcuk May 30 13:03:49 havoc mode hides the mms connection from the ui May 30 13:04:01 THIS IS HAVOK! May 30 13:04:09 errr SPARTA May 30 13:04:11 and if you have somehow managed to get fmms to use your normal connection as a source of the settings its going to hide that connection ;) May 30 13:04:14 DocScrutinizer: Is there a hardware red - I vaguely recall it May 30 13:04:17 frals, what about not mms. the regular 3G? May 30 13:04:22 nope May 30 13:04:26 lcuk: :D May 30 13:04:30 lcuk: broke 10k downloads in a day \o/ May 30 13:04:59 only hardwired indicator is yellow/amber May 30 13:04:59 frals, doesn't it create new apn for mms? May 30 13:05:11 yeah frals i saw :D congrationaltions May 30 13:05:16 for emergency recover charging May 30 13:05:17 it does May 30 13:05:18 ZogG_N900: it does, unless you've had a really old version of fmms installed May 30 13:05:24 he deserves a trout May 30 13:05:27 ~trout frals May 30 13:05:28 * infobot slaps frals around a bit with a large trout! May 30 13:05:32 ~whale MohammadAG May 30 13:05:35 :( May 30 13:05:36 frals, new from extras. May 30 13:05:44 haha May 30 13:05:47 :P May 30 13:05:53 ZogG_N900: and you never had fmms installed before? May 30 13:06:04 frals, had. never used May 30 13:06:42 frals, anyway i don't care to delete it May 30 13:06:59 i mean for reset) May 30 13:07:09 to delete and install again May 30 13:07:22 it sounds bad as i see it now ))) May 30 13:08:08 frals, is there any data on /home or / that is kept even after uninstall? May 30 13:08:16 do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and reinstall May 30 13:08:25 wanna try fresh installation May 30 13:08:29 all messages are kept in /home/user/.fmms/ May 30 13:08:44 but the gconf line removes all settings May 30 13:09:36 and the problem is prob in settings and not .fmms folder? May 30 13:09:47 yes May 30 13:10:09 okay. lemme check. thanks May 30 13:11:03 frals, had 1.1.1 now May 30 13:13:47 frals, what is sharing-fmms? May 30 13:13:57 share via service plugin May 30 13:17:20 frals, now i turned while was on 3G. and turned it on. now current connection is mms(disconnect mms) and there is internet 3G as well ) May 30 13:17:46 WTF May 30 13:17:55 i just disconnected my phone from charger May 30 13:18:08 and i have one bar left May 30 13:18:25 jacekowski, and it's still charging May 30 13:18:29 tesla ghost May 30 13:18:47 jacekowski, the "WTF" part made me think you lost the port... May 30 13:19:04 i connected it back May 30 13:19:08 and it's charging again May 30 13:19:29 pupnik: I guess I just can't stand its color May 30 13:19:33 (recaller) May 30 13:20:45 is there a warranty on battery? May 30 13:20:52 and how long is it? May 30 13:23:34 Mobile HotSpot works really well May 30 13:23:48 reception is weird in this room though May 30 13:24:01 frals, ok. works fine May 30 13:24:05 thnx May 30 13:24:09 within the same 20cm^3 space, i will get either 2G, 3G, or 3.5 May 30 13:24:10 np :) May 30 13:24:24 jacekowski: you are sure it charged before when on USB? May 30 13:24:42 well, i had green light May 30 13:24:50 jacekowski:oh May 30 13:24:51 btw does fmms supports video? May 30 13:25:40 and it seems to have problem with my wifi May 30 13:25:42 since upgrade May 30 13:25:50 jacekowski: now that's actually bad. Either your battery cell is EOL, or BME gone haywire May 30 13:25:57 BCMM, wierd. i have sometimes 3G to 3.5G May 30 13:26:09 but not 2G to 3.5G May 30 13:26:21 by problem i mean it detects one maybe 2 networks May 30 13:26:43 but hmm May 30 13:26:54 that might be because i changed it to G only at the same time May 30 13:27:11 BCMM: 3G<->3.5 is absolutely normal, as it shows 3.5 only when data is transferred (and some time after) May 30 13:27:18 ah May 30 13:27:22 DocScrutinizer: a battery life thing? May 30 13:27:34 BCMM: eeh May 30 13:27:36 ? May 30 13:27:38 DocScrutinizer: also, this is true even when transfering data, and seems to be dependant on the angle of the phone... May 30 13:28:48 sorry, my comment about battery was a reply to jacekowski "well, i had green light" May 30 13:29:43 BCMM, sure orientation could effect signal May 30 13:30:02 just like if you have your back turned to someone you may not know they are waving frantically at you May 30 13:31:13 to avoid the endless trial and error, any idea which end of the device ought to point towards teh mast? May 30 13:31:47 i dunno BCMM May 30 13:32:04 well May 30 13:32:08 that's od May 30 13:32:26 ok May 30 13:32:43 battery "charged" in 14 minutes May 30 13:33:36 http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=149&g2_serialNumber=1 May 30 13:34:20 is there synergy for maemo yet? May 30 13:36:23 hmm May 30 13:36:28 i've restarted my phone May 30 13:36:40 and it's charged May 30 13:36:52 hmmm slashdot, New Ebola Drug 100 Percent Effective In Monkeys. giving monkeys ebola would be 100% effective! May 30 13:37:16 jacekowski, what was the last burst that flattened it May 30 13:37:42 i mean it's charged May 30 13:37:55 and phone is reporting almost 1200mAh charge May 30 13:37:58 instead of 0 May 30 13:39:07 planetary alignment? May 30 13:39:09 BCMM: you can use x2x May 30 13:39:26 BCMM: but I always had trouble getting a consistent visible mouse pointer May 30 13:39:34 it would randomly disappear, or not disappear when I wanted it to May 30 13:39:48 no to bothered about that, mainly just want to use my computer's keyboard May 30 13:39:52 (and it be snappier than vnc) May 30 13:40:03 BCMM: that is possible without trouble. May 30 13:40:35 BCMM: only thing is that the screen still dims when you don't use the n900 keyboard or touchscreen, so you need to script it that it doesn't dim anymore May 30 13:40:57 i already have the screen stay lit when charging anyway May 30 13:41:04 Shapeshifter, theres a setting to keep display lit whilst charging :) May 30 13:41:18 or qwertys simple backlight doofer also has a lock backlight option May 30 13:44:23 hey noidea` May 30 13:44:26 noobmonk3y, even May 30 13:44:31 sorry noidea` i had noidea` May 30 13:44:38 w000p w000p May 30 13:44:45 ready for your hols? May 30 13:44:50 sure May 30 13:44:59 and my python marathon yesterday worked :) May 30 13:45:52 i managed to use it to scan all my mails, grab the information i needed, collate it and tie it up and generate a (rather ugly but functional) report of state of play with certain things May 30 13:45:53 oooo?!?! May 30 13:45:59 lol! May 30 13:47:03 noobmonk3y, it would be what i would normally use vb for May 30 13:47:21 ahhhhh :P - while the rest of us get a secretary to do it ;) May 30 13:47:36 well i tried that, i sent spec for what was needed a while ago ;) May 30 13:47:54 lol ... cindy crawford not wanting to help? May 30 13:48:35 there was a fistfight at the door between her and tracy :( May 30 13:48:54 thankfully i recorded it and managed to steer them towards the handy mudpool May 30 13:49:11 wow healthcheck had 3k dloads this weekend - random! May 30 13:49:20 hahaha! May 30 13:58:49 hi May 30 13:59:00 dejavu sans mono says it's already installed May 30 13:59:07 but i'm unable to choose it May 30 13:59:17 s/mono// May 30 13:59:26 lcuk - need your brains :) May 30 13:59:48 you'd still complain. May 30 14:00:08 /proc/net/dev - i'm assuming networky things are in there? - is there a specific folder / file for wireless / 3g data etc? May 30 14:00:40 use the source noobmonk3y May 30 14:00:42 just the configured interfaces. May 30 14:00:49 use the source?! lol! May 30 14:00:49 theres desktop widgets which read specific bits May 30 14:00:57 oh lol! May 30 14:01:04 noobmonk3y: cat /proc/net/dev May 30 14:01:18 lol mazer i'm putty'd into it having a butchers May 30 14:02:15 I don't want to understand what that means May 30 14:02:24 nvm May 30 14:02:45 lol May 30 14:02:48 butchers = look at May 30 14:03:05 he said he doesnt want to May 30 14:03:05 gotta love the english langiage :P May 30 14:03:08 language* May 30 14:03:13 the knowledge might actually push something useful out May 30 14:03:23 * frals throws a whale at noobmonk3y and runs off May 30 14:03:32 * noobmonk3y giggles May 30 14:03:42 * noobmonk3y pets the whale, puts it in a fish bowl and calls it frank May 30 14:03:52 iphone user? May 30 14:03:59 who?! lol May 30 14:04:14 damnmmmmmm my mail scanner is a bit self referential, sending a mail with the results of the scan in it effects the results of the next run o_O May 30 14:04:41 lol May 30 14:05:05 lcuk: try else. May 30 14:05:14 lol May 30 14:06:00 or try except else finally, instead of while, or whatever you're doing. May 30 14:06:03 mazer_, its not an else condition, its scanning all my mails for certain things, but then when i tell people about what those certain things are .. May 30 14:06:17 how does one get teh keyboard mapping right when using x2x? May 30 14:06:17 ill have to put a safeword in the report May 30 14:06:25 ah. May 30 14:06:30 i'm finding that 2 types w and so on May 30 14:06:57 lcuk: you are taking reading pron-spam to new heights May 30 14:06:59 also, how are you supposed to connect to the n900's X server? i'm forwarding the connection with ssh May 30 14:07:06 hi. I fscked up an upgrade and more or less bricked my n900. There's no way to get terminal access to the bootloader or something through USB, is there? May 30 14:07:14 frals, surprisingly my mail account is very clean May 30 14:07:24 fdv: it's trivial to flash this device. May 30 14:07:26 :( May 30 14:07:28 only used for work related stuff and not one iota of spam anywhere May 30 14:07:33 :) May 30 14:07:37 mazer_: but then I'll loose contacts etc, right? May 30 14:07:50 fdv: not as far as I know May 30 14:07:53 BACKUP, reflash, RESTORE May 30 14:07:56 oh May 30 14:08:04 lcuk: he cannot backup/restore. May 30 14:08:16 on device backup stores data on the eMMC which is same place as all your photos etc May 30 14:08:24 lcuk, mazer_: I've copied everything I could May 30 14:08:33 well the upgrade DOES say in big bold letters May 30 14:08:37 back yo stuff up May 30 14:08:47 it even opens the backup app May 30 14:08:49 fdv: then go and flash it; preferrably with pr1.2 May 30 14:09:07 bbiaw May 30 14:09:22 lcuk: for one thing, I've been unable to use the GUI upgrading thingie for a long time, I've been using apt. secondly, I'm just asking what's possible :) May 30 14:09:45 mazer_: thanks May 30 14:09:52 fdv sure, but backing up before an upgrade is the most logical thing May 30 14:10:09 the gui tool for doing it is painless :) May 30 14:10:23 lcuk: depends what, I guess, and it doesn't really matter *now* what would have been sensible ;) May 30 14:10:56 sure, spilt milk cant go on cornflakes May 30 14:11:22 lcuk, it can if you spill it ON the cornflakes May 30 14:11:32 * Termana hasn't followed the conversation :P May 30 14:12:10 lcuk: I can't quite recall exactly how, but after adding some repos or installing some packages through apt or whatever, I couldn't use the GUI updater-thingie anymore May 30 14:12:32 I can't say I've gone out of my way to be on the safe side either, unfortunately :) May 30 14:16:45 throw cornflakes on floor and grind into milk May 30 14:19:47 pupnik, novel May 30 14:51:22 does anyone know if there are other nokia phones with jabber voice/video support than n900? May 30 14:53:15 Well all symbian phones should support Jabber May 30 14:53:20 using Nimbuzz May 30 14:53:26 afaik May 30 14:55:01 thanks. I will do some research about this nimbuzz May 30 15:04:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=689898&postcount=76 jesus christ, what's up with these people? May 30 15:05:22 is there aptitude for maemo? May 30 15:05:42 hm, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/aptitude/ May 30 15:05:47 he's been complaining/flaming a lot recently May 30 15:05:58 not in any repo apparently. :( May 30 15:06:21 I'd better stop arguing with him in that case :) May 30 15:06:22 and it's not compiled for armel May 30 15:06:55 joppu, I've stopped arguing, if someone disagrees let him, I don't give a crap and he shuts up :) May 30 15:08:33 joppu: dont feed ze trools May 30 15:09:32 why some people want flash 10? May 30 15:09:42 what's in flash 10? May 30 15:10:05 it has hardware acceleration May 30 15:10:26 videos and stuff should work much faster May 30 15:11:06 Although adobe announced there would be no hw accel in linux version May 30 15:11:15 presumably that includes maemo/meego May 30 15:11:26 lol android May 30 15:11:38 (it's not really linux) May 30 15:11:48 ShadowJK: i though linux alraedy has? May 30 15:12:02 no May 30 15:12:16 linux hardware acceleration is very limited May 30 15:12:39 lol android May 30 15:12:45 android doesn't have HW accel. May 30 15:13:00 even with the flash 10 beta May 30 15:13:17 well it does use hw for fullscreen scaling on linux May 30 15:13:32 SpeedEvil: ping May 30 15:13:35 but I don't think it uses any hw decode accel for video May 30 15:13:51 not really May 30 15:13:58 that hw accel is disabled in most cases May 30 15:14:16 anything else using 3d hardware ( compositing ) will make flash disable hw accel May 30 15:14:50 ...Consumers can try the prerelease of Flash Player 10.1 to preview hardware acceleration of video on supported Windows PCs, x86-based netbooks, and Android 2.2 supported device... May 30 15:14:50 well my computer would not have the power to do it in software, so :) May 30 15:14:58 http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ May 30 15:15:52 well, i don't have flash at all May 30 15:16:04 ShadowJK: hard to develop a general plugin with hw decoder, if you don't have a standard abi to access the DSP May 30 15:16:38 ShadowJK: windows has what? some foocarpbar10 May 30 15:16:53 there's more than one standard abi :D May 30 15:17:06 * timeless looks for a helpful soul May 30 15:17:10 don't see this panning out with gles May 30 15:17:10 well, it's not a standard then May 30 15:17:44 windows has directx May 30 15:18:03 that's it directcrap10 May 30 15:18:03 which while not quite direct access to a dsp isn't entirely useless either May 30 15:18:34 * timeless crosses docs off the helpful candidates list May 30 15:18:37 * timeless looks for a helpful soul May 30 15:18:50 yeah, but we don't have anything similar on N900 DSP May 30 15:18:57 there was vaapi which was comittee-designed and generally useless, then nvidia released their drivers using vdpau api, at which point intel hired someone to make drivers for, iirc, poulsbo for vaapi.. and then ati came out with their own (does it even do anything yet?), and now vaapi is gaining wrappers around everything else May 30 15:19:08 gles is useless for video May 30 15:19:12 oh hell yeah May 30 15:19:18 settlers ii clone May 30 15:19:23 :) May 30 15:19:36 i have to try that out May 30 15:19:42 how finished is it May 30 15:19:45 sure would love starcraft May 30 15:19:48 Well, gstreamer on n900... and I think the n900 codecs use openmax api? May 30 15:20:02 pupnik, i am installing it now May 30 15:20:25 i will see in a bit but am installing over 3g so might take a while May 30 15:20:52 shadowjk: will you be my helpful soul? May 30 15:21:01 command and conquer would be even better than starcraft May 30 15:21:16 wasn't c&c dos based? May 30 15:21:25 it should probably work in dosemu May 30 15:21:30 timeless, you always ask that type of questions without first giving any hints as to what it's about... but sure May 30 15:21:50 hehe, that's why I didn't answer May 30 15:22:19 but N900 DSP supports h.264 and Flash 10.1 uses h.264 so only problem would be the implemention, right? May 30 15:22:31 wrong May 30 15:22:40 and of course just because I got no soul, so how could I be a helping one May 30 15:22:41 h264 is not monolythic May 30 15:22:50 it's profiled or stepped May 30 15:23:12 the dsp supports a useless baseline profile May 30 15:23:19 which no one uses May 30 15:23:30 really? May 30 15:23:37 roughly May 30 15:23:55 joppu: well, flash wants the video back into cpu, in rgb form. I dont know the capabilities of the codec, but right now (unless the people who write it were braindead) it basically decodes straight to a yuv buffer and the dss thingy converts and scales in hw May 30 15:23:56 yeah, I know bout the profiles and all but that N900 oly supports baseline... May 30 15:24:10 needless to say the flash team wasn't impressed by the dsp delivery May 30 15:24:24 they weere promised "h264" May 30 15:24:31 Youtube uses h264 baseline (encoded by x264) for 360p and 480p May 30 15:24:34 and got something useless May 30 15:25:37 plus iirc it wasn't the greatest of deliverables May 30 15:25:58 Luckily though h26rr streams actually have signaling that says what profile they are, so one could switch to software decode instead of hw May 30 15:26:14 * timeless chuckles May 30 15:26:41 i'm currently watching a product where switching from hardware to software is fatal May 30 15:26:55 not that you can do much more than 512x384 in software reliably... and less than that with flash bloat on top May 30 15:27:18 i'm not saying i'm a fan of flash May 30 15:27:29 but they do a lot with what they're given May 30 15:27:36 which is often junk at best May 30 15:27:37 so I heard WebM quality/efficiency is somewhere between DIVX/h.264 May 30 15:28:00 is that a problem? May 30 15:28:26 ehm.. can anybody tell me which is the FISCO image for n900 (is it the "Latest Maemo 5 Global release" (unless you're in other places)), and do I understand it correctly that the "Vanilla version of the eMMC content" should be unnecessary? May 30 15:28:41 it's actually pretty good for "open source" project May 30 15:28:43 joppu comparisons i have seen based on filesize put it on par with h.264 May 30 15:28:51 joppu: well no, visually it's somewhere between divx and h264, at given rate. Computationally heavier than h264 May 30 15:29:01 fdv: there are two unrelated pieces May 30 15:29:09 the rootfs and the eMMC May 30 15:29:15 but come w/ variants May 30 15:29:25 s/but/both/ May 30 15:29:26 timeless meant: both come w/ variants May 30 15:29:38 :) May 30 15:29:42 * timeless walks up stairs May 30 15:29:51 ShadowJK: it's above both if you actually want dark colours to look right.... May 30 15:29:53 timeless: what is the eMMC actually anyway? May 30 15:29:56 (w/ a coat over an arm...) May 30 15:30:03 (or anybody else) May 30 15:30:15 or, what's on it? May 30 15:30:15 timeless; did you get hold of someone with pr1.1.1 to test your English localization? May 30 15:30:17 fdv: a bigger slower piece of mass storage May 30 15:30:25 trizt: nope May 30 15:30:31 still hoping May 30 15:30:48 timeless: but the root fs contains all that's needed to boot up, right? May 30 15:31:04 fdv: clasically the os lived on rootfs May 30 15:31:31 the eMMC is mostly the MyDocs vfat partition, then? May 30 15:31:54 w/ 1.2 the os moves part of itself to the emmc during first boot May 30 15:32:01 fdv, yes technically, but there is a 2gb extension /opt area which the OS now stretches into giving more free space on the rootfs May 30 15:32:22 lcuk: I think that might have been what I hosed trying to upgrade May 30 15:32:25 and that free space combined with the /opt partition allows oodles of apps to be installed May 30 15:32:32 possible May 30 15:33:02 should I technically be able to just flash the rootfs and get things back up? May 30 15:33:02 fdv: so, it's important to understand that your question isn't "simple" :) May 30 15:33:19 timeless_mbp: alas, few are :) May 30 15:33:29 fdv: worked for me May 30 15:33:53 which / subdirs are now magically extended lcuk? what do i search to learn about that trick? May 30 15:34:04 fdv, sure, on first boot, the OS does what it can to clean the /opt area only and get it ready. then you can just restore the backup you took before starting and be back where you wanted to be May 30 15:34:20 or should have taken :) May 30 15:34:22 pupnik, May 30 15:34:31 rootfs flash image contains an /opt folder May 30 15:34:33 http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime May 30 15:34:41 on first boot, the first boot script runs ... May 30 15:34:49 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/30/exopc-slate-hands-on/ May 30 15:34:50 which will first check and clear /home/opt May 30 15:34:51 kick-ass May 30 15:34:57 then copy the contents of the rootfs /opt May 30 15:35:17 and then delete rootfs /top and make a hardlink May 30 15:35:43 thereby allowing the system components on the flashed image a way to be optified May 30 15:35:58 lcuk: my /home still has an opt dir May 30 15:35:59 so, expect each maemo update to actually consume less of rootfs May 30 15:36:17 pupnik, it should have May 30 15:36:32 ^ rootfs /opt May 30 15:36:39 /home/opt 2064208 1364660 594692 70% /opt May 30 15:36:45 that right? May 30 15:37:27 why wouldnt it be? May 30 15:38:01 * Trizt thinking about repartition his phone, more to /home and less for ~/MyDocs May 30 15:38:08 http://paste.debian.net/75468/ May 30 15:38:16 hi May 30 15:38:24 how to turn off autorepeat? May 30 15:38:26 eh May 30 15:38:28 because i just upgraded to 1.2 with apt-get :) May 30 15:38:29 turn on* May 30 15:38:37 in pr1.2 May 30 15:38:44 pupnik, apt-get still has to go through the same installations May 30 15:38:49 when that's replaced by "goto fn key" May 30 15:38:50 wow, holding a key gives the symbol! May 30 15:38:52 if everything is fine and you booted then cool May 30 15:39:03 yeah, i hate it May 30 15:39:13 * lcuk likes it now May 30 15:39:22 @ pupnik May 30 15:39:27 i just dont like it happening with space -> @ May 30 15:39:42 how to turn off the damn thing May 30 15:39:46 fiq lets find out May 30 15:40:08 `hmz May 30 15:40:32 FIQ, theres a gconf setting May 30 15:40:36 lemme find it.. May 30 15:40:54 ty :D May 30 15:41:58 browser is still broken, not accepting text input into input fields May 30 15:42:06 that has been a persistent bug May 30 15:42:19 .. that's never happened to me May 30 15:42:29 lcuk, start backspacing :P May 30 15:42:33 fiq pupnik https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421#c26 May 30 15:42:33 browser is still broken, not accepting text input into input fields May 30 15:42:34 Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number May 30 15:42:38 that happens sometimes May 30 15:42:44 MohammadAG, ? May 30 15:42:45 ty lcuk May 30 15:42:49 backspacing? May 30 15:43:03 expected a you're special thingy May 30 15:43:18 nice lcuk ty May 30 15:43:19 i can never be as special as you May 30 15:43:23 pupnik: did you reboot after your aptget upgrade? May 30 15:43:32 * lcuk guesses not yet May 30 15:43:55 awesome May 30 15:43:55 ty May 30 15:44:31 that key thing we should have in the control panel May 30 15:44:41 idd May 30 15:46:06 timeless_mbp: yes. sorry to report this. i just saw it in google.com with screen zoomed-in May 30 15:46:22 lcuk: yes!!! May 30 15:46:56 ( lemme find it..) then add to http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo please, when you found it May 30 15:47:06 DocScrutinizer, i found it May 30 15:47:28 pupnik: *shrug*, wfm and most people May 30 15:47:35 and note that apt-get is not a supported upgrade path May 30 15:47:48 so you'll need to do a diff against a normal system and find out what's broken May 30 15:48:40 where is the plugin directory for opera m on the 810 May 30 15:48:46 to re-enable autorepeat gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true May 30 15:49:12 btw May 30 15:49:23 i tried find i didnt find should i create May 30 15:49:29 what's up with the slide to unlock thing? May 30 15:49:43 seems as just a feature they added in when they were bored May 30 15:49:58 huh? May 30 15:50:05 because, it's easily dodgeable and doesn't seem to really have a purpose May 30 15:50:19 you're kidding May 30 15:50:21 avoiding unlocking by pocket pressure May 30 15:50:48 but you need to press the powerkey anyway May 30 15:50:57 what? May 30 15:50:59 and that's enough imo May 30 15:51:03 well May 30 15:51:05 you can pasword protect the lock May 30 15:51:08 forgettit May 30 15:51:18 just touching the screen doesn't do anything May 30 15:51:18 got no power button May 30 15:51:29 DocScrutinizer, done :) May 30 15:51:37 lcuk: :-)) May 30 15:51:40 formatting is a bit wonky cos i dont know wiki language May 30 15:51:42 but it is in place May 30 15:51:52 anyone try opera for the n800 May 30 15:52:38 it rocks but doesnt seem to suport plugins May 30 15:53:06 FIQ: if N900 wouldn't unlock on slider-open, I'd not even install N900fly to document the new unbeatable record May 30 15:54:40 * RST38h found an insecure soul to torture May 30 15:55:28 please report insecure souls to soul-sec first May 30 16:01:42 * RST38h notices how semi-adhoc Opera virtual keyboard absolutely rules in comparison to the carefully-thought-out-by-the-nokia-ux-specialists Maemo virtual keyboard May 30 16:02:44 I am unsure. May 30 16:02:53 The buttons on the opera are too small for me May 30 16:03:03 they are ok really May 30 16:03:34 if they are too small for you, you can by one of those wriststraps with stylus-like thingies May 30 16:04:26 yeah - I liked the v1.1.1 vkbd May 30 16:04:43 I would also like a fullscreen graffiti - or even xstroke vkbd May 30 16:07:15 lcuk, timeless_mbp, mazer_, joppu: thanks, worked like a charm and no important data lost May 30 16:07:26 \o May 30 16:07:32 I've even made a backup now :) May 30 16:07:41 congrats on maemo-optify-boottime lcuk May 30 16:07:53 it is heroic :) May 30 16:08:09 thanks pupnik, its not heroic, it was a group effeort and involved lots of team members May 30 16:08:17 oh ok May 30 16:08:54 yeah one person could hardly test all the changes May 30 16:09:08 yeah and we got input from community too May 30 16:09:34 can we ignore optifying .debs now? May 30 16:09:41 nope May 30 16:09:44 lol May 30 16:09:47 waah May 30 16:10:10 thats still important but it looks like the default is simpler to apply now from what i know May 30 16:10:26 and since pretty much everyone has gone over the hump its just matter of fact to optify May 30 16:10:51 the boottime patch does allow system packages to be optified now tho :) May 30 16:11:05 oooo May 30 16:11:55 so i anticapte a flash from next update to end up occupying even less rootfs May 30 16:13:07 pupnik, it all started cos i needed to optify liqbase ;) May 30 16:15:14 hey guys, a little spam for you: http://www.e-castig.com/index.php?r=x1TaP May 30 16:16:04 wtb ban on lauri May 30 16:16:17 * frals tries to throw a whale in DocScrutinizers direction May 30 16:16:21 DocScrutinizer, May 30 16:16:33 /me can't forget mwkn today May 30 16:17:50 hehe GAN900 May 30 16:18:00 sure you can GAN900 May 30 16:19:53 Bastards May 30 16:20:24 This issue is going to be from scratch end-to-end May 30 16:20:32 * Arkenoi noticed that free root space after pr1.2 update is just almost the same you get with moveroot.sh script May 30 16:20:44 almost no advantage May 30 16:20:55 What does "Older tweets are temporarily unavailable." mean? May 30 16:21:03 GAN900: means youre fucked ;) May 30 16:21:19 frals, apparently. May 30 16:21:22 usually shows instead of the fail whale May 30 16:21:39 * GAN900 is going to have to collect all of the stories by hand. May 30 16:21:48 * Stskeeps plays with tmos ignore function May 30 16:22:04 Hey, if anybody has any interesting Talk threads, want to go ahead and @mwkn them on twitter for me? May 30 16:22:20 lcuk: huh? highlight? May 30 16:22:22 GAN900: it usually works an hour later or so May 30 16:22:27 ask frals May 30 16:22:28 DocScrutinizer: ban lauri May 30 16:22:41 hey guys, a little spam for you: [spam url stripped] May 30 16:23:45 Does the total downloads number include -testing and -devel or not? May 30 16:23:52 does afaik May 30 16:24:08 ok? May 30 16:24:16 ty DocScrutinizer51 May 30 16:25:25 hai May 30 16:26:10 Just wrote an E-Mail about the loose USB Connection to Nokia Switzerland May 30 16:27:54 looks like the upgrade frees rootfs space too May 30 16:28:13 it grew from 40 to 70 May 30 16:29:33 yes May 30 16:30:37 technically rootfs is the same, but stuff was moved out of it :) May 30 16:31:23 alas in a way that is suboptimal at best May 30 16:31:41 ~optification May 30 16:31:42 methinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs May 30 16:32:07 * MohammadAG wonders if infobot would say what FUBAR means (he knows what it means btw) May 30 16:32:12 ~dict FUBAR May 30 16:32:15 Dictionary 'FUBAR' (1 of 3): Fouled / Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition / Repair (telecommunication-slang, Usenet, IRC). May 30 16:32:25 ~wtf fubar May 30 16:32:26 FUBAR: fucked up beyond all recognition May 30 16:32:39 cool command lol May 30 16:32:42 ~wtf wtf May 30 16:32:44 WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck May 30 16:32:59 shouldn't this be a family channel? :P May 30 16:33:09 MohammadAG: see 'man wtf' May 30 16:33:24 my n900 has a MyDocs/Mac OS directory, is this default? May 30 16:33:34 yes May 30 16:34:40 Anybody happen to have a link to a nice article with a summary of the big changes in Qt4.6? May 30 16:35:21 wikipedia maybe? (not being sarcastic) May 30 16:35:21 http://qt.nokia.com/developer/changes/changes-4.6.0 May 30 16:35:28 or that May 30 16:35:30 :) May 30 16:36:22 looks empty to me it has images, videos dirs but my mp3 are stored in MyDocs/.sounds May 30 16:36:58 why is it called mac os, where is this directory used? May 30 16:37:03 bogie11, something more approachable for people who aren't actually going to be coding in it? May 30 16:37:07 Mac OS May 30 16:37:12 damn, I always forget to give reason string to kickban :-/ May 30 16:38:02 jatt, it's needed for Macs afaik May 30 16:38:08 \o/ May 30 16:38:10 GAN900: that new features section is quite generic May 30 16:38:13 * ZogG home \o/ May 30 16:38:15 not sure if it can be deleted, but it's not on my device May 30 16:38:46 MohammadAG you can delete it and i have it also =) May 30 16:39:06 All devices have it May 30 16:39:09 * GAN900 was hoping to avoid having to do the summarizing himself. May 30 16:39:11 afaik May 30 16:39:16 i see. somehow it got created and I haven, May 30 16:39:30 t used a mac in my life May 30 16:39:39 GAN900: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qt4-6-intro.html May 30 16:40:21 jatt, it's there by default May 30 16:40:27 jatt you have it by default? May 30 16:41:02 yes May 30 16:41:20 jatt, it's there by default May 30 16:42:29 bogie11, thanks. May 30 16:42:38 GAN900: hopefully that helps May 30 16:46:12 I request marijuana growing application !!!!!!!!!!1 May 30 16:47:23 I pondered selling growboxes on ebay. May 30 16:47:50 With odour neutraliser - just stick it in a wardrobe, and 4 months later off goes the timer. May 30 16:48:55 fire hazard. get sued. lol May 30 16:51:10 Kesha's love is my drug May 30 16:51:45 anyone happen to know how to restart the media daemon? May 30 16:51:56 google won't help me May 30 16:53:08 Hydroponics Grow Box System Light Cabinet 90w LED UFO ! — 1,999 $ May 30 16:53:11 say w00t May 30 16:54:02 * Stskeeps yawns May 30 16:56:48 Drugs are bad m'kay... May 30 16:59:08 bogie11: only bad drugs are bad May 30 16:59:20 +1 May 30 17:01:50 Hey all May 30 17:03:04 How can I set up my PS3 controller to work with n900? May 30 17:03:15 with the sixaxis package May 30 17:03:31 then use a computer to assign the controller to your n900 mac May 30 17:03:38 it's all in the guide May 30 17:03:49 could you please link the guide? May 30 17:05:12 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sixaxis+n900 May 30 17:06:09 korhojoa, is custom kernel needed btw? May 30 17:06:19 LOL WTF May 30 17:06:21 WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK! May 30 17:06:21 OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM. May 30 17:06:24 ty :) May 30 17:07:03 you are checking mounted file system May 30 17:07:08 ZogG: not sure, i think it just loads a module, so no May 30 17:07:21 MohammadAG, are you bonehead? May 30 17:07:34 jacekowski, nope :) May 30 17:07:39 ZogG, ^ answers it May 30 17:07:48 so it's bug May 30 17:07:50 you are denying facts May 30 17:08:56 :D May 30 17:09:19 besides, e2fsck? May 30 17:09:30 aren't you trying to run it on ecxt3?4 May 30 17:09:32 ext3? May 30 17:09:48 ext3 May 30 17:09:51 fsck.ext3 May 30 17:10:01 fsck fsck fsck May 30 17:10:08 ahhhhh May 30 17:10:14 well fsck. May 30 17:10:20 Nokia-N900:~# fsck.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 May 30 17:10:20 e2fsck 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008) May 30 17:10:33 cat /proc/mounts May 30 17:10:34 jacekowski, it was an fsck.ext3 May 30 17:10:37 not mounted May 30 17:10:58 otherwise it would bi*** about it before I start May 30 17:11:19 do you do this manually, or with a special script? May 30 17:11:23 anyone happen to know how to restart the media codecs daemon? May 30 17:11:30 manually May 30 17:11:48 cure`: reboot May 30 17:11:53 save the effort, we all know what you mean May 30 17:12:00 can do it manually too jacekowski May 30 17:15:19 app manager can't search anymore May 30 17:15:37 live filter intstead May 30 17:15:47 s/int/in/ May 30 17:15:47 frals meant: live filter instead May 30 17:16:18 Is there any damn way to answer yes to all May 30 17:16:36 jacekowski: type in it May 30 17:19:56 yawn May 30 17:19:56 Pass 3A: Optimizing directories May 30 17:19:57 Failed to optimize directory ??? (163535): EXT2 directory corrupted May 30 17:19:57 Segmentation fault May 30 17:20:08 why does ext3 say ext2 though May 30 17:20:14 because ext3 is ext2 May 30 17:20:16 ext3 is really ext2 May 30 17:20:21 with journal May 30 17:20:51 so cleanly unmounted ext3 == ext2 May 30 17:21:08 I would - if I could - build ext2tools with debug symbols, hit that puppy with gdb, and send a backtrace, and dumpe2fs output with it to the e2tools bugtracker May 30 17:21:31 dumpe2fs May 30 17:24:35 are we going to get decent ovi store for n900? May 30 17:28:21 so cleanly unmounted ext3 == ext2 May 30 17:28:25 it's unmounted... May 30 17:28:59 e.g May 30 17:29:01 fsmohammad@mohammad-i5:~$ sudo fsck /dev/sda5 May 30 17:29:02 [sudo] password for mohammad: May 30 17:29:02 fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 May 30 17:29:02 e2fsck 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010) May 30 17:29:02 /dev/sda5 is mounted. May 30 17:29:02 WARNING!!! The filesystem is mounted. If you continue you ***WILL*** May 30 17:29:04 cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage. May 30 17:29:06 Do you really want to continue (y/n)? May 30 17:29:56 wtf are you doing May 30 17:29:56 :P May 30 17:30:05 press y May 30 17:30:12 MohammadAG, i made a small quiz for you (sorry that i'm late was on phone) ­— http://i48.tinypic.com/iepj4n.jpg May 30 17:30:30 press y May 30 17:30:39 that's like telling me to rm -rf root May 30 17:30:52 try it May 30 17:30:59 nobody has done any research May 30 17:31:07 DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! May 30 17:31:24 nobody has done any research May 30 17:31:38 I can't take all the credit, you do it, I'll post the results on tmo and linux.org May 30 17:31:48 MohammadAG, do you have guaranty ? May 30 17:33:02 MohammadAG, http://i48.tinypic.com/iepj4n.jpg May 30 17:33:47 ZogG, slightly wrong, since it always ends at one points May 30 17:33:53 and that's not how flow charts work :P May 30 17:33:57 MohammadAG, it's not May 30 17:34:08 ZogG, replace bonehead with "special" May 30 17:34:19 MohammadAG, my chart works as i told it !!! May 30 17:34:32 then I'm in a loop right now May 30 17:34:35 lcuk, screw you :P May 30 17:35:07 lcuk, have you heard that MohammadAG won a canada citizenship? May 30 17:35:26 and.. You have been awarded a donation funds of $1,350,000 usd.Contact Mr Simons Regiado with the following information. May 30 17:35:46 hotmail blocks legit mail May 30 17:35:55 and keeps that crap in my inbox May 30 17:35:59 I'm switching to gmail May 30 17:36:02 what May 30 17:36:06 someone still uses hotmail? May 30 17:36:43 ... May 30 17:36:44 only special people May 30 17:36:48 Hey even after reading as much as I could find I'm still confused about Maemo/Mer/Moblin/MeeGo May 30 17:36:59 ah. well. "Have a very special day, for a very special boy." May 30 17:37:01 Harmatton is Maemo 5+1 right? May 30 17:37:21 jacekowski, f you :P May 30 17:37:29 f you too May 30 17:37:34 flowers? May 30 17:37:36 wow, that's so nice May 30 17:38:02 Lantizia there is also Goblin May 30 17:38:04 jacekowski, aww, I was jk... May 30 17:38:06 anyone know what I'm on about? May 30 17:38:09 opensuse based on moblin =) May 30 17:38:22 OpenSUSE sucks May 30 17:38:28 * MohammadAG waits for someone to reply May 30 17:38:31 so ubuntu May 30 17:38:35 Well.. Harmatton is Maemo 5+1 am I right? May 30 17:38:37 haha, just looked at the quiz. win :D May 30 17:38:45 Lantizia it's only code name May 30 17:38:48 MohammadAG: now what? May 30 17:38:51 But Harmatton is no longer branded Maemo 6 and instead MeeGo May 30 17:39:01 Lantizia yes and no May 30 17:39:05 MohammadAG: gmail also has that crap come through May 30 17:39:13 So will the Nokia release of MeeGo be debian based as it's the existing Maemo 5+1 Harmatton work? May 30 17:39:21 * MohammadAG shuts down all email accounts May 30 17:39:23 Lantizia, meego is platform, hartmatton is meego + nokia UX for handsets May 30 17:39:32 harmattan May 30 17:39:32 MohammadAG use yahoo =)))) May 30 17:39:32 :P May 30 17:39:47 Right so how can Harmatton be rebranded MeeGo as I'm reading May 30 17:39:47 Stskeeps harmatata May 30 17:39:50 akuna matata May 30 17:39:50 surely thet is in conflict May 30 17:39:57 ZogG, err... May 30 17:40:39 In short what I'm asking is... is Maemo 5 (that which we run on our N900's) the last of the Debian breed? May 30 17:40:54 no, harmattan is deb based too May 30 17:40:54 kind of May 30 17:40:55 last i saw May 30 17:40:59 huh? May 30 17:41:22 stskeeps - but that is now MeeGo I rea May 30 17:41:22 Lantizia as i understand, and probably i'm wrong as always, it'a like mint is ubuntu based linux harmattan is meego based or something like that =) May 30 17:41:30 Lantizia: it's all magic branding. May 30 17:41:43 Stskeeps are you sure it's deb based? May 30 17:41:43 http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/16/its-official-nokia-is-dropping-the-maemo-6-brand/ May 30 17:41:50 ZogG: damn sure. May 30 17:41:56 hmm May 30 17:41:56 Lantizia: meego is (actually) a open source system from meego.com, using rpms May 30 17:41:57 wierd May 30 17:42:14 none of you really know do you? :P May 30 17:42:27 such sellouts May 30 17:42:29 Lantizia, go #meego =) May 30 17:42:37 Lantizia: i do know May 30 17:42:37 :P May 30 17:42:40 ZogG this isn't about MeeGo... it is about Maemo May 30 17:42:43 apt is the best package management system in existence May 30 17:42:52 People were working on the Maemo 5 successor... known as Harmatton long before MeeGo May 30 17:42:56 Lantizia, there is no maemo only maemo 5 May 30 17:42:57 and they ditch it because intel wanted them to May 30 17:42:58 So Maemo 5+1 must be deb based May 30 17:42:58 Lantizia: right May 30 17:43:10 Stskeeps, oh, so MeeGo is what I should hate, Maemo is what I should like :P May 30 17:43:12 Unless they're scrapping that work entirely May 30 17:43:31 yes May 30 17:43:34 MohammadAG, you have to hate fsck May 30 17:43:35 maemo = good May 30 17:43:38 sigh May 30 17:43:40 silly people May 30 17:43:41 I don't know what the hype around meego is about May 30 17:43:46 * Stskeeps goes get a glass of wine May 30 17:43:48 mazer_ me either May 30 17:43:50 technically - the code is not rpm or deb or installshield based. May 30 17:44:06 Stskeeps, silly eh? May 30 17:44:09 Look I just want to know if Maemo 5 is the last of the .deb based distros for my phone! May 30 17:44:15 and I can't be fussed to port llvm to maemo this month. May 30 17:44:23 code is based on library linking and instructions May 30 17:44:27 lcuk, right, so the packaging system can theoretically be changed May 30 17:44:28 Lantizia: if you count official spport, yes May 30 17:44:33 and the delivery mechanism is largely another matter May 30 17:44:49 Stskeeps...ok so what is going to happen to the work on the next .deb based distro Maemo 6 (Harmatton) ? May 30 17:44:53 Lantizia, anyway most meego programs should work on maemo as they are QT, anyway you can make deb rpm or other packages May 30 17:45:05 Lantizia, the point is it's QT and arm based =) May 30 17:45:17 Lantizia: goes on a next device. and there's a project to do a simple port of this to n900, in community. May 30 17:45:25 ZogG: so was my Zaurus - but they didn't make it good May 30 17:45:38 zaurus? May 30 17:45:41 who did it bad? May 30 17:45:44 lcuk: is Python your only source of programming knowledge? May 30 17:46:08 Can I subscribe to a tmo thread? May 30 17:46:11 mazer_, i hope not, im fully atuned to c and c++ and lots of OO languages, why do you ask? May 30 17:46:13 lcuk, do you use Qt SDK or maemo SDK? May 30 17:46:19 ZogG: my point is Qt/ARM based phones/pda's are old - theres nothing exciting about that... it's been done to death. The nice thing with the N900 was it has REAL full blown APT and .deb support May 30 17:46:20 i wrote liqbase from the ground up in native c May 30 17:46:21 rdorsch, i think so May 30 17:46:35 ZogG, i have to work with many languages May 30 17:46:54 lcuk, i'm interested if i can use python in QT SDK May 30 17:47:05 i found ony C++ there May 30 17:47:11 [rdorsch]: On the top, press thread tools and then subscribe to thread May 30 17:47:19 On the top of the thread* May 30 17:47:32 ZogG, thats because pyqt or pyside or whatever its called now sits ontop and is technically something else May 30 17:47:33 ZogG, you don't need an SDK for python May 30 17:47:33 Lantizia, so you still have it, just take rpm package and prot it to deb. May 30 17:47:38 as all python stuff does May 30 17:47:51 ZogG you mean the other way around May 30 17:47:56 MohammadAG, i need SDK for GUI May 30 17:48:02 nope May 30 17:48:22 you can write it from scratch, that is, if you're hardcore May 30 17:48:27 MohammadAG, need == dislikes writing layout code in code May 30 17:48:35 which i totally understand May 30 17:48:46 tho cant you use the layouts saved and load dynamically at runtime May 30 17:48:54 so you can use the designer May 30 17:48:58 So again... what is going to happen to the existing work that went in to Maemo 6/Harmatton before the Nokia/Intel announcement? May 30 17:49:08 Lantizia, it's like i have source based linux you have deb based and MohammadAG have whatever something, but source is the same source. you just make different packages May 30 17:49:09 I know the Qt work will go in to Meego May 30 17:49:19 * haltdef shakes Lantizia May 30 17:49:21 But what about the existing base created for Maemo 6 that was .deb based May 30 17:49:32 lcuk, I know May 30 17:49:35 lcuk i'm noob - i want to learn =) May 30 17:49:51 lcuk: how long have you been coding c/c++/python May 30 17:50:10 lcuk, liked glade cause i could add an object and jump straight to code, for example i add button and than i add code to it May 30 17:50:17 50 years ago, since before he was born May 30 17:50:23 mazer_, i got heavily into c(and asm) on my amiga in the 90s, then put it down for 10 years whilst i was doing visual basic job May 30 17:50:29 then picked up c again in liqbase May 30 17:50:43 Lantizia, they even now port symbian apps easily to maemo apps and back =) May 30 17:50:50 I don't fucking care May 30 17:50:55 I don't want RPM's May 30 17:51:06 Lantizia, what does it matter to a developer May 30 17:51:09 if you stay with maemo5 you will get deb May 30 17:51:15 press button, get packages May 30 17:51:18 packaging rpms is more painful :) May 30 17:51:19 deploy May 30 17:51:20 and what about unfinished maemo6 ? May 30 17:51:27 lcuk: you dropped c/asm for vb? May 30 17:51:41 mazer_, yeah :) but i never stopped thinking about it May 30 17:51:43 lcuk: when all i need to get a package is press a button ill be happy man ;) May 30 17:51:49 Lantizia, i want any package as i get programs smoothly working on my system and they are easily installed (no dependies problems and so on) May 30 17:51:50 +a May 30 17:51:55 frals its all i do to get a package :) May 30 17:51:59 fair enough. May 30 17:52:01 and it will just be a template when i need rpm May 30 17:52:29 frals, same here, as it's phone, though desktop is little bit different May 30 17:52:35 ZogG... RPM based package management doesn't exactly have a good history of resolving dependancies correctly May 30 17:52:38 mazer_, principles of making applications fast are the same in vb as they are in assembly May 30 17:52:41 APT is king with that May 30 17:52:45 all programming is just lego blocks May 30 17:52:53 and it takes ages to do a simple install May 30 17:53:12 to make it faster you have to use less blocks May 30 17:53:23 I'm guessing there won't be any non-destructive upgrade path from Maemo 5 to MeeGo May 30 17:53:23 how? May 30 17:54:09 Lantizia, don't think so, it would be probably some community hack May 30 17:54:25 and it wouldn't be smooth, as you would liek to get meego before it would be ready May 30 17:54:28 ZogG at least it's coming for the N900 May 30 17:54:33 i'm looking forward for dual boot May 30 17:54:49 they even turned down dual package management on MeeGo May 30 17:54:50 lcuk: fwiw i almost got it down to one command to package, but it wasnt as painless as i hoped :P May 30 17:54:50 the bastards May 30 17:54:56 Lantizia, the question how end-user finished it would be May 30 17:55:02 lcuk: I wouldn't know about vb principles. May 30 17:55:21 I'm still pissed off about the whole announcement and it's months later May 30 17:55:30 mazer_, meh a set of functions that call other functions that call other functions, the language isnt important May 30 17:55:33 I didn't buy thing thing for the one thing I loved about it ... TO GET AXED May 30 17:55:39 Lantizia, its a community project May 30 17:55:39 s/thing thing/this thing May 30 17:55:48 Lantizia, agreed May 30 17:55:51 lcuk - what is? May 30 17:55:57 lcuk: how do you use vb on freebsd? May 30 17:55:57 SHOW that it can work May 30 17:55:58 assert yourself and dont sit back expecting someone else to do it all for oyu May 30 17:56:11 #something like the dual packaging May 30 17:56:15 i think if even the support would be as it is, we should still get the clear image what's going on, but only rumors =) May 30 17:56:20 mazer_, not what i mean May 30 17:56:38 lcuk: what do you mean? May 30 17:56:59 42 May 30 17:57:07 ZogG: you're an iphone user. May 30 17:57:16 you said how do i use vb on freebsd - i never needed to but if microsoft want to build the library for it it would work May 30 17:57:25 I loved the Zaurus because it had a loose connection to Debian and the ipkg's worked similarly.... I bought the N900 because it basically was debian with full blown APT support... in both cases either the hardware or the OS got axed May 30 17:57:43 lcuk: thanks for playing. May 30 17:57:50 When it comes to embedded systems and the OS they're often based on... Debian is king May 30 17:57:53 ? May 30 17:58:02 Why the fuck are we following intel on this for their failed product? May 30 17:58:13 feel free to make your own. May 30 17:58:14 :P May 30 17:58:16 Lantizia: because everyone else does. May 30 17:58:19 If I had knew it been debian, I would have thought a bit longer May 30 17:58:41 mazer_ no, why? May 30 17:58:42 Lantizia: Are you sure that N900 has "full blown apt support" May 30 17:58:43 mazer_ like who! name me a successful moblin device! May 30 17:58:53 yes May 30 17:58:57 Lantizia: http://linux.die.net/man/1/alien May 30 17:59:09 Doc: i know that exists, not my point May 30 17:59:15 Lantizia i say go gentoo May 30 17:59:36 I agree with zogg. May 30 17:59:38 i think portage is most easy thing and orginized thing to use May 30 17:59:41 * RST38h moos at Stskeeps, feebly May 30 17:59:42 Are Nokia at least releasing all the proprietary stuff in Maemo 5 so people can make their own? May 30 17:59:49 Mmm a Gentoo phone... May 30 17:59:50 moo RST38h May 30 17:59:54 I noticed (before this too got axed) Mer had the phone support May 30 18:00:00 we didn't May 30 18:00:04 Trizt you can use rpm on gentoo too =) May 30 18:00:16 ZogG; I know May 30 18:00:18 ZogG: then it wouldn't be Gentoo May 30 18:00:22 Stskeeps you are Mer dev right? May 30 18:00:25 zogg: portage is useless. May 30 18:00:32 Mer is dead May 30 18:00:35 ZogG: do you run Gentoo? May 30 18:00:37 Lantizia, mers lead said that its been closed. but since mer is open source technically someone could continue where he left off May 30 18:00:38 ZogG: mer's dead May 30 18:00:38 mazer_ useless? why? May 30 18:00:40 Lantizia: no that proprietary stuff will find an open counterpart in meego May 30 18:00:42 luke-jr yes May 30 18:00:42 Moblin was a failure and is dead May 30 18:00:46 thats right isnt it Stskeeps May 30 18:00:47 Stskeeps, i know May 30 18:00:49 ZogG: N8x0 or N900? May 30 18:00:50 Maemo is dead by Nokia's lazyness May 30 18:00:55 Moblin is now known as Meego May 30 18:01:01 luke-jr, no i use it on desktop, lol May 30 18:01:01 DocScrutinizer: says who? May 30 18:01:02 Lantizia, er, yeah. May 30 18:01:03 zogg: several reasons, such as having the whole repository hard-masked. May 30 18:01:06 So, not sure what you mean by "dead" May 30 18:01:07 Revisionist much? May 30 18:01:14 DocScrutinizer: last I checked, MeeGo was still going to be proprietary May 30 18:01:17 mazer_ hard masked? say what? May 30 18:01:18 luke-jr: me? May 30 18:01:19 ZogG: o boring May 30 18:01:21 DocScrutinizer: so why not just release what was in maemo 5 as open source so people can continue that build themselves if they don't want meego? May 30 18:01:24 Lantizia, pr1.2 was released just this week May 30 18:01:26 zogg: I guess you don't run gentoo. May 30 18:01:30 Lantizia: cost May 30 18:01:33 mazer_ i do, unstable May 30 18:01:35 and go look on gitorious, im sure theres modifications made since May 30 18:01:38 zogg: see paludis. May 30 18:01:39 ZogG; so you too have rpm on your Gentoo? I don't really use it for installing, just testing and building some rpms May 30 18:01:40 excellent, luke-jr joined the discussion May 30 18:01:43 luke-jr: whats cost? May 30 18:01:44 * Stskeeps grabs his popcorn May 30 18:01:45 Hi May 30 18:01:46 lcuk: of what? May 30 18:01:46 mazer_ but any way stable debian is not the same? May 30 18:01:50 zogg: see paludis. May 30 18:01:52 maemo code May 30 18:01:56 Lantizia: cost of having the code looked over for third party IP, etc May 30 18:01:57 and maemo update May 30 18:01:57 Lantizia: because it's closed for some good reasons (3rd party IP etc) May 30 18:02:00 lcuk: yes, it's all in OBS May 30 18:02:01 Lantizia: getting it cleared by legal May 30 18:02:08 Trizt never tried, i just say that it can work on gentoo too May 30 18:02:10 DocScrutinizer: s/good/bad/ May 30 18:02:18 k May 30 18:02:19 mazer_ paludis is crap May 30 18:02:23 zogg: why? May 30 18:02:24 and therefore Mer - the debian based open project for Nokia devices and beyond is not dead May 30 18:02:27 its merely resting May 30 18:02:36 and it was ubuntu based May 30 18:02:38 because i ♥ portage May 30 18:02:41 Paludis doesn't work sanely, at least on ARM May 30 18:02:42 i find it easy May 30 18:02:43 zogg: you're stupid. May 30 18:02:49 luke-jr: how so? May 30 18:02:50 lcuk - ummm the web page says... IT IS DEAD May 30 18:02:52 mazer_, i love you too May 30 18:03:01 Lantizia: it is, but anyone can fork or continue it if they want May 30 18:03:05 Lantizia, the web page can say what it likes, but its open source May 30 18:03:06 mazer_: no clue, I couldn't get it to work May 30 18:03:13 s#s/good/bad/#s/good/invariable/# May 30 18:03:14 to kill a closed source project would mean its death May 30 18:03:15 mazer_: IIRC the Paludis devs just blamed GCC or some nonsense May 30 18:03:21 but in open source thats simply not true May 30 18:03:33 lcuk: Maemo was never open source May 30 18:03:35 mazer_, what is so bad in portage? May 30 18:03:37 luke-jr: ah. May 30 18:03:40 we are discussing mer May 30 18:03:42 Mer could never be, in its NIT support May 30 18:03:47 luke-jr that's the problem from the begining May 30 18:03:49 zogg: have you ever looked at their code? May 30 18:03:50 ZogG; the freedom ;) May 30 18:04:04 mazer_ nope, i'm user, not dev. May 30 18:04:08 zogg: go away. May 30 18:04:18 mazer_ i like how it's orginized May 30 18:04:28 if someone wanted to continue/fork Mer, they would need to get Stskeeps to get them the ability to distribute the blobware May 30 18:04:44 zogg: you can probably get apt formatted in a similar fashion May 30 18:04:48 Lantizia: to filter out some of your arguments, please realize Stskeeps is maintainer of mer as well as "initiator" of meego May 30 18:04:50 with color coded combinations. May 30 18:05:07 luke-jr: we never distributed blobs, so no problems there May 30 18:05:22 mazer_ i don't like when you don't have flags and you have several repos for stable and unstable May 30 18:05:22 Stskeeps: nor had something working May 30 18:05:31 luke-jr: point May 30 18:05:31 * lcuk carries on hacking on maemo and enjoying it May 30 18:05:38 luke-jr: initfs hacks are cool though May 30 18:05:43 Stskeeps: what would you say the odds are... of a community developed debian based distro that uses the front end and libraries (e.g. for phone support) from MeeGo ? May 30 18:05:50 lcuk: what does hacking mean to you? May 30 18:06:06 mazer_; and all the bad hacks you have to do if you want some other functions than the maintiners of the distro May 30 18:06:13 * DocScrutinizer yawns May 30 18:06:19 Trizt: what does hacking mean to you? May 30 18:06:23 anybody else to ban? May 30 18:06:24 *sighs May 30 18:06:28 Lantizia: as in people actually spending time on it? not good odds May 30 18:06:35 DocScrutinizer ya ya das ist fantastish May 30 18:06:46 DocScrutinizer ban me =) May 30 18:06:47 mazer_; how do you get SeaMonkey 2 with qt toolbox in debian? May 30 18:06:49 Stskeeps, to be fair *any* f the open source stuff has low odds May 30 18:06:50 Stskeeps: do you know is android uses gtk+ ? May 30 18:06:54 but yet, here we all are May 30 18:06:55 Lantizia: it doesn't May 30 18:07:01 DocScrutinizer, don't forget the reason this time May 30 18:07:04 Trizt: by doing hideous things. May 30 18:07:10 Stskeeps: so it's entirely it's own thing? May 30 18:07:16 Lantizia: right May 30 18:07:17 * DocScrutinizer yawns again May 30 18:07:19 Lantizia, complete front end May 30 18:07:28 DocScrutinizer: are you tired? May 30 18:07:28 Lantizia: no xorg, even May 30 18:07:31 ZogG: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 May 30 18:07:42 i think i know this guy May 30 18:07:44 mazer_: yes, somewhat. Of filtering this noise May 30 18:07:45 I may see if Angstrom release for N900 May 30 18:07:46 he is russian right? May 30 18:08:02 DocScrutinizer: which noise? May 30 18:08:06 luke-jr as i get microSD i would check android and maybe gentoo May 30 18:08:18 ZogG: Gentoo requires at least 4 GB May 30 18:08:23 I'd suggest at least 8 May 30 18:08:31 can i flash maemo ing on MMC btw? May 30 18:08:44 ah, speaking of sd cards, any idea how fast the sd controller goes on n900? May 30 18:08:50 if i get gentoo and have dual boot can i use maemo from MMC ? May 30 18:08:51 * DocScrutinizer sets S/N squelch up a 6dB ticks May 30 18:08:54 as in is it worth jack to get class 10 cards etc May 30 18:09:10 luke-jr, i got 8 GiBs May 30 18:09:27 DocScrutinizer, your SWR meter goin crazy? May 30 18:09:42 the left arrow key on my n900 stopped working after the last 1.2 firmware flash. also the dot key goes left instead of a dot so what i really lost was the ability to type dots. anyone recognize this issue? May 30 18:09:49 ZogG: Gentoo must be on external MMC obviously :p May 30 18:10:30 i tried re-flashing, used the global .bin file May 30 18:10:35 wrong keyboard layout? May 30 18:10:37 its choosable May 30 18:10:37 for a swedish phone May 30 18:10:40 nocturnal, ? which region are you in and did you alter your keymap ? May 30 18:10:42 i've checked that May 30 18:10:46 the on screen keyboard works fine May 30 18:10:48 lcuk: that's not fair highlighting me :-P May 30 18:11:01 nocturnal, try changing language in settings? May 30 18:11:02 i have swedish as primary and danish as secondary just as always, i've tried english as secondary May 30 18:11:06 can you unset secondary completely? May 30 18:11:08 my .fi device needs it after a reflash May 30 18:11:20 lcuk: do you thing my own noise TX spams the RX due to mismatch spoiling SWR? May 30 18:11:22 Stskeeps: btw, did you see I updated http://elinux.org/N800#Status May 30 18:11:23 ok i'll check language settings again May 30 18:11:40 luke-jr: you happen to have a 2.6.33 TSC2301 laying about btw? May 30 18:11:40 think even May 30 18:11:52 Stskeeps: nope May 30 18:11:54 yes DocScrutinizer May 30 18:12:14 luke-jr: thanks May 30 18:12:21 Stskeeps: I did look yesterday all over May 30 18:12:22 /mode #mameo +q DocScrutinizer May 30 18:12:24 couldn't find any May 30 18:12:30 luke-jr: i have a link .. sec May 30 18:12:35 oh wtf, i never noticed this hardware keyboard layout setting, it was set to English, Nederlands wtf May 30 18:12:38 thanks for the help May 30 18:12:41 luke-jr: nice work May 30 18:12:46 the TSC2005 implementation that will probably go into 2.6.35 was for N900 May 30 18:12:58 yeah, i should be reusable for n8x0 thoug May 30 18:13:00 johnsq: ? May 30 18:13:09 luke-jr: elinux page May 30 18:13:11 luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49660 has a n800.diff.gz containing one May 30 18:13:15 Stskeeps: also, TMP105 is apparently just another LM75 clone May 30 18:13:24 Stskeeps: that's useless for mainlining :P May 30 18:13:34 a n800.diff.gz? admittedly May 30 18:13:52 luke-jr: same guy also had DSP forward ported May 30 18:14:01 what is bootloader used in maemo? May 30 18:14:03 what does DSP actually need from the kernel? May 30 18:14:10 ZogG: NOLO; proprietary May 30 18:14:12 luke-jr: dsplink or something May 30 18:14:23 or dspbridge, i forget May 30 18:14:27 luke-jr can i change it to something else? May 30 18:14:35 Stskeeps: does it require board support, or just a generic driver? May 30 18:14:39 ZogG: not afaik May 30 18:14:51 ok, could someone recommend the most kosher way of listening to N900 keyboard, globally? May 30 18:14:51 =( May 30 18:15:00 luke-jr: http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/index.php May 30 18:15:07 RST38h: put your ear near the back side? May 30 18:15:14 Corsac lol May 30 18:15:22 RST38h, what do you mean? May 30 18:15:56 oh luke-jr it's you there =) May 30 18:16:07 ZogG: ?? May 30 18:16:15 luke-jr on gentoo on n8*0 May 30 18:16:19 you and marat May 30 18:16:27 yeah May 30 18:16:31 there was other guy porting gentoo to PPC May 30 18:16:35 old PPC May 30 18:16:36 ... May 30 18:16:42 Gentoo's worked on PPC for a long time May 30 18:16:47 yeah May 30 18:17:03 there was guy i talked to, who made the port i think May 30 18:17:07 May 30 18:17:09 from gentoo.org.ru May 30 18:17:16 May 30 18:17:50 RST38h: cat /dev/input/keypad ? May 30 18:18:46 luke-jr if you want to port gentoo to n900 it would be from scratch or you can use n8*0 port? May 30 18:19:07 ZogG: no clue May 30 18:19:24 ZogG: don't care unless someone sends me one, either May 30 18:19:27 ZogG: porting any distribution is no problem, you still have no applications. May 30 18:20:30 sys-kernel/n900-sources =) May 30 18:20:40 on overlay =) May 30 18:21:33 armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi May 30 18:21:34 hmmm May 30 18:21:50 luke-jr, armin762.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/arm-status-gentoo/ May 30 18:25:01 RST38bis: was that what you asked for? May 30 18:25:24 Is it quite thick, and does green stuff come out of it when it gets hot? May 30 18:25:25 oops May 30 18:25:55 hmm, my wifi seems to stop working after the screen blanks May 30 18:25:59 SpeedEvil: that's an oops indeed :-P May 30 18:26:13 then I have to reconnect... is anyone having the same problem on PR1.2? May 30 18:27:13 * DocScrutinizer wonders what SpeedEvil is talking about. Heaggis? May 30 18:27:16 felipec do you have any extra apps? May 30 18:27:26 autodisconnect or disconectidle May 30 18:27:27 DocScrutinizer: solder May 30 18:27:32 eeeeeek May 30 18:27:35 SpeedEvil buffalor soldier May 30 18:27:43 ZogG: no May 30 18:27:59 felipec wierd =) May 30 18:28:28 felipec: i'm having some odd new PSM like issues, yeah May 30 18:28:44 SpeedEvil: seems you're talking about that kind of solder you could use to etch PCBs May 30 18:28:57 felipec: on a wifi router that normally works fine with PSM May 30 18:30:30 SpeedEvil: heard you could also solder aluminium to grey steel sinter with it May 30 18:31:11 Stskeeps: PSM? May 30 18:31:38 or scare the oil in gulf of Mexico back under the earth May 30 18:31:53 ~wifi-psm May 30 18:31:54 somebody said wifi-psm was http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) May 30 18:32:49 PMS May 30 18:33:00 ~pms May 30 18:33:01 They Call it PMS because mad-cow disease was already taken May 30 18:33:24 Am I supposed to be able to get 1.2 ota? May 30 18:33:42 It just keeps telling me to use the Nokia PC Suite... which is impossible as I don't use windows May 30 18:34:04 Lantizia: 1) see topic May 30 18:34:06 ~flashing May 30 18:34:07 it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 30 18:34:17 Lantizia: 2) you don't need windows to use flasher tool May 30 18:34:19 I don't want to flash it May 30 18:34:24 I want it to fucking upgrade May 30 18:34:27 Lantizia: 3) see topic May 30 18:34:36 it will try to OTA but sometimes isnt possible May 30 18:34:47 Lantizia flash it May 30 18:34:53 No way! May 30 18:35:03 It's not long back I put the last update on via flashing May 30 18:35:09 I have to repartition the thing every time May 30 18:35:12 ~ubuntu Lantizia May 30 18:35:13 * infobot lovingly explains to Lantizia in a way that causes Lantizia to weep with gratitude that Lantizia must read the fine, friendly manual May 30 18:35:15 err May 30 18:35:17 repartition? May 30 18:35:20 Lantizia: you repartitioned your device? May 30 18:35:22 yes May 30 18:35:27 well no wonder it won't work May 30 18:35:31 It works just fine May 30 18:35:36 sure it does May 30 18:35:40 haha May 30 18:35:42 yes it does May 30 18:35:50 I give /home more space for optified packages May 30 18:35:56 but once you go root, technically you are unsupportable, how does nokia or anyone know what you have done May 30 18:35:56 MyDocs gets 16gb May 30 18:36:18 people! hey! is there any way to tell peolple about my nit blog? to divulgate May 30 18:36:35 messing with partitions frequently renders OTA nonfunct May 30 18:36:42 you can try some methods and if you find a decent way to upgrade then post about it on the wiki May 30 18:36:51 but dont cry because we cant automagically know everything you did May 30 18:37:00 tuliobaars: ask to be included to maemo planet May 30 18:37:05 Umm I re-arranged some paritions... but whoop May 30 18:37:05 er, maemo.org planet May 30 18:37:09 there is nothing more to it May 30 18:37:17 If anything there is more room available for an upgrade May 30 18:37:19 obviously there is May 30 18:37:20 waht's maemo palnet? May 30 18:37:24 tuliobaars: planet.maemo.org May 30 18:37:27 lcuk: your a dick May 30 18:37:29 else it would let you May 30 18:37:44 tuliobaars give me url May 30 18:37:44 Lantizia, sure :) May 30 18:37:46 when I say it's been repartitioned - theres nothing more else to tell May 30 18:37:51 ohh, and how can I do that? May 30 18:37:54 it works and it has been working for months May 30 18:37:55 Lantizia: Nokia's updates expect a certain layout, if you wander outside that you're on your own May 30 18:38:02 Doc: guess so, thanks May 30 18:38:07 thats probably not the reason tbh May 30 18:38:21 this is stupid, so much for an open distribution May 30 18:38:32 this is open May 30 18:38:33 ttablet.blogspot.com, and it doens nave an english version (i'm working in one) and a good domain name May 30 18:38:36 Lantizia most people couldn't upgrade, so they tried NSU and still couldn't do it, so they flashed, just go straight to flash May 30 18:38:38 you did what you wanted May 30 18:38:46 now help diagnose why it went wrong May 30 18:38:49 tuliobaars: twitter or talk.maemo.org i gues May 30 18:39:13 ZogG: I have to install my the apps and re-enable all the extra repos'a and it'll take forevereeeeerrr May 30 18:39:14 that sounds quite open to me Lantizia May 30 18:39:14 ok May 30 18:39:24 Lantizia, the backup tool does all that for you May 30 18:39:29 :) May 30 18:39:33 is there any way to contact the webbmasters? May 30 18:39:33 not the apps it doesn't May 30 18:39:36 but you dont listen to us or read anything May 30 18:39:37 Lantizia repos would be ever, apps would take some time May 30 18:39:52 lcuk your a complete retard May 30 18:40:06 Lantizia: if you're going to wander in here and start insulting people, I see no reason anyone should help you May 30 18:40:19 Lantizia: watch your language pls May 30 18:40:20 Lantizia but as lcuk backup would do it automagicly, juts fix etra-dev repo beforem it woudl addd -1.2 in the end May 30 18:40:40 in english? May 30 18:40:45 Lantizia: to me your bitching starts to sound quite like trolling May 30 18:40:56 Lantizia it does. you restore and it would redownload and reinstall them May 30 18:40:57 indeed May 30 18:42:09 Lantizia anyway if you think you are smarter, don't ask us ) May 30 18:43:53 Lantizia: and the next insult will earn you a kick May 30 18:44:38 Yes, I have been saving up May 30 18:45:04 DocScrutinizer you just promise =((( May 30 18:45:19 nope, he delivers too May 30 18:45:26 told ya May 30 18:45:32 That wasn't an insult May 30 18:45:48 calling someone a retard is an insult May 30 18:45:57 Oh sure that is May 30 18:45:57 anyway May 30 18:46:15 I still stand by it however, for completely failing to see my point May 30 18:46:16 and its the first time ive been called a dick in a while. May 30 18:46:33 I'm guessing the Application Manager will log messages regarding a failed on-device upgrade? May 30 18:46:45 DocScrutinizer oh, i feel nacked May 30 18:47:06 Lantizia, to be honest I would've glined you, alas, it's not my server May 30 18:47:12 Lantizia: consider your 'point' maybe is so fuzzy nobody can see it May 30 18:47:17 * Stskeeps wonders why we had +v's in the first place, excepting infobot May 30 18:47:37 lcuk, so what? i'm called dick everyday and even from friends, i take as compliment =) it's nice to be special May 30 18:47:45 Stskeeps: we hadn't May 30 18:47:47 I'm just angry that the N900 doesn't have the freedom it was touted it would have May 30 18:48:09 At the end of the day it is still a device under the thumb of Nokia, just as bad as an iPhone May 30 18:48:12 Lantizia, what freedom dont you have? you changed it as you like May 30 18:48:17 Lantizia: completely false May 30 18:48:20 now then May 30 18:48:21 indeed May 30 18:48:23 application manager logs May 30 18:48:25 please May 30 18:48:42 theOTA upgrade using the normal path doesnt like it, try using some other mathods you might know May 30 18:48:48 hmm more arguments going on about the N900 ? May 30 18:48:50 It's not false, they refuse to give 100% of the code away - a major part, the phone part - they won't give up May 30 18:48:56 So now we are forced to go MeeGo May 30 18:48:58 Stskeeps: real ircd's allow devoice even if the user didnt have +v ;) May 30 18:49:01 Lantizia: that isn't anywhere near as closed as the iPhone May 30 18:49:02 frals: shush, i knew that May 30 18:49:03 ;P May 30 18:49:08 ;D May 30 18:49:11 lol May 30 18:49:16 Lantizia: now do you want to solve your problem or give us shit over nokia's decisions? May 30 18:49:19 Umm May 30 18:49:23 For an update we are forced to use the Nokia PC Suite... which forces the use of Windows... so instead we have to resort to a total reflash May 30 18:49:26 I'm reeeeealy tempted... May 30 18:49:27 does MeeGo even have the phone part open source? May 30 18:49:34 MohammadAG: oFono, iirc May 30 18:49:36 Lantizia: did you read the pages docscrutinizer pointed to? it explains reasons for the error you're experieincing May 30 18:49:37 err, pc suite reflashes the device doesnt it? May 30 18:49:38 Mohammed - apparently May 30 18:49:44 I bought the N900 , but i did not get the Nokia PC suit kit with it May 30 18:49:45 MohammadAG: sure, we're slowly but firmly getting there. May 30 18:49:49 frals - I think it updates it May 30 18:49:50 just in a user friendly gui May 30 18:49:53 MohammadAG: ofono plugins, etc May 30 18:49:57 so now when i connect the USB cable , i can't connect using PC suit mode May 30 18:50:03 * MohammadAG stands corrected then May 30 18:50:07 Lantizia: and I TOLD YA you DO NOT NEED windows to use flasher tool May 30 18:50:11 so STFU May 30 18:50:13 ~flashing May 30 18:50:14 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 30 18:50:19 * microlith doesn't even have Nokia PC Suite May 30 18:50:20 DocS: I KNOW that ... I don't care about reflashing May 30 18:50:22 microlith, just a mo, theres a menu item for it but i cant remember where the file is stored or if it will even retain the info you need May 30 18:50:26 I said updating... there is a freaking difference May 30 18:50:37 Lantizia, if you f up the system it won't upgrade May 30 18:50:41 well so PC suit isn't necessary ? May 30 18:50:46 You accuse me of not reding, well I accuse you back May 30 18:50:52 particularly following the dpkg -i --force-all 'advice' that was given on the forums May 30 18:51:06 Lantizia: im quite certain that the pc suite "upgrade" is a reflash May 30 18:51:08 Lantizia, as a console master, have you tried apt and seeing what problems it gives May 30 18:51:10 xDaReaperx, not at all May 30 18:51:12 and seeing what the reason is May 30 18:51:14 My system isn't f-cked up May 30 18:51:15 instead of whining May 30 18:51:16 frals, it is May 30 18:51:17 frals: he's repartitioned his device May 30 18:51:20 it works just fine May 30 18:51:37 chances are he just has a gles1 app and running into that problem. May 30 18:51:44 yeah Stskeeps May 30 18:51:44 that too May 30 18:51:47 hence May 30 18:51:49 go read the topic May 30 18:51:51 or rootfs space May 30 18:51:56 kanso if you dan't care about flashing, then why the hell are you bitching about nokia suite? May 30 18:52:00 i would expect someone who repartitioned his device to be able to do apt-get dist-upgrade and read the bloody error May 30 18:52:05 Well when i connect the USB cable , and when i choose mass storage mode , at times my mobile charges automatically , but at times it says insufficient power to charge and i'm not able to transfer files form my Memory card to my N900 it fails to transfer and give some x... error code May 30 18:52:08 Stskeeps, just wondering, is the libgles package back in -devel? May 30 18:52:20 When I say repartitioned... I mean properly... as in completely fdisk'd May 30 18:52:24 Lantizia: if you dan't care about flashing, then why the hell are you bitching about nokia suite? May 30 18:52:29 MohammadAG: no clue, i believe jeremiah still has his last day tommorow, ask him :P May 30 18:52:32 No silly sudo partitions mounted from files May 30 18:52:49 Insufficient power means the PC isn't supplying enough power May 30 18:52:55 DocS: because that appears to be the only way to upgrade rather than reflash May 30 18:52:59 or you f'd up bme (talking from experience :P) May 30 18:53:06 the advantage irc has over real life is there is a sufficiently good way of completly ignoring someone <3 May 30 18:53:19 i never did anything , my PC is running on power saver ... maybe thats the reason ? May 30 18:53:24 its a Laptop May 30 18:53:25 * MohammadAG types /ignore frals ALL May 30 18:53:44 Disconnect all other USB devices May 30 18:53:51 not sure if power saver limits USB power May 30 18:53:58 I've never used it when I had windows May 30 18:54:01 hmm , okay May 30 18:54:15 well i need to transfer videos from my old phone's memory card to my N900 May 30 18:54:19 so i'm doing it this way May 30 18:54:23 * DocScrutinizer sighs and heads away. ping me if you need a kickban May 30 18:54:24 switch to high performance and check if it works May 30 18:54:25 but it dosent help May 30 18:54:30 how about an alarm if n900 uses more than 300 ma for a minute straight May 30 18:54:31 okay i'll try May 30 18:54:46 or 250 May 30 18:54:49 or 1 May 30 18:55:03 is there a compass or a decibal metre for the n900? May 30 18:55:04 Oh wait, that's what the breathing light's for :P May 30 18:55:07 no May 30 18:55:10 i couldn't find either on the repo's May 30 18:55:16 decibel meter? May 30 18:55:20 well can the N900 charge from one USB cable and at the same time transfer huge files ? May 30 18:55:21 yeah that :) May 30 18:55:25 arecord -vvv /dev/null May 30 18:55:39 xDaReaperx, it can here May 30 18:55:44 and that tells you in dB does it? May 30 18:55:45 hmm okay May 30 18:55:52 not sure May 30 18:56:08 give answers, not guesses May 30 18:56:16 go try it yourself... May 30 18:56:18 when giving guesses, say that they are a guess May 30 18:56:25 instead of pissing people of May 30 18:56:26 well does your N900 use up 130 -140 MB OF RAM always ? May 30 18:56:31 even when no app is running May 30 18:56:39 sigh, a troll's a troll May 30 18:56:40 yay! May 30 18:58:04 does it ? May 30 18:58:34 xDaReaperx: probably yes May 30 18:58:47 xDaReaperx: there's a lot of stuff preloaded May 30 18:58:47 why is the OS eating up so much RAM ? May 30 18:59:01 how many apps in total can it run ? May 30 18:59:02 browser, phoneapps May 30 18:59:08 i thoguht it had a total of 1 GB RAM May 30 18:59:15 as said on the Nokia's site May 30 18:59:15 nah May 30 18:59:18 xDaReaperx: 256mb ram, 768mb swap May 30 18:59:22 256 ram May 30 18:59:25 hmm whats swap ? May 30 18:59:25 which, technically, is RAM.. May 30 18:59:26 :P May 30 18:59:31 xDaReaperx: virtual memory May 30 18:59:40 oh so dosent that add up and work together ? May 30 18:59:47 it does add up May 30 18:59:53 oh okay May 30 19:00:04 anyways after updating to PR 1.2 everything was running so slow May 30 19:00:16 probably the thumbnailer going nuts May 30 19:00:20 and rethumbnailing things May 30 19:00:21 after rebooting 4-5 times it became alright May 30 19:00:31 well i bought it 2 days back only May 30 19:00:38 will take 3 h to finish, then everything is fine again :-) May 30 19:00:38 got a lot of media? :P May 30 19:00:39 xDaReaperx, tracker reindexing media May 30 19:00:41 yeah, the thumbnailer is a bit bit**y May 30 19:00:45 that too May 30 19:00:47 it wouldv gotten faster without the reboots ;) May 30 19:01:01 well hmm anyways thats fixed now May 30 19:01:06 i had no media on it when i updated May 30 19:01:14 totally new May 30 19:01:25 totally new device comes with a load of media May 30 19:01:31 oh May 30 19:01:51 well i dunno i had only 2 videos pre added and few pics May 30 19:01:59 and the music May 30 19:02:06 and indexer is a greedy pile of BS May 30 19:02:18 well i dunno a lot about linux May 30 19:02:23 so whats an indexer ? lol May 30 19:02:33 it um indexes stuff May 30 19:02:44 oh May 30 19:02:50 :D May 30 19:02:53 it's like desktop search, or the spotlight thing in apple May 30 19:02:55 well if i sudo gainroot can i install java ? May 30 19:03:04 indexer = stupid May 30 19:03:16 should be built into the filesystem <.< May 30 19:03:22 oh hmm okay May 30 19:03:32 cause i saw elsewhere , that someone did so May 30 19:03:34 i dunno why May 30 19:03:35 should be nuked completely May 30 19:03:59 so guys what are the things that need improvement on maemo platform ? May 30 19:04:03 according to you May 30 19:04:05 nahh it has its uses May 30 19:04:10 Maemo is dead May 30 19:04:14 lol May 30 19:04:28 more open source May 30 19:04:31 lcuk: not the ones it is abused for in maemo May 30 19:04:33 ie, 97%, not 43% May 30 19:04:34 :P May 30 19:04:36 i keep hitting OL now instead olf O May 30 19:04:40 Stskeeps: 100% -.- May 30 19:04:54 luke-jr: i believe in 100% in terms of a portable system, on hw side, not so much May 30 19:05:01 actually, I'd be ok with 10% as long as that 10% were the essentials May 30 19:05:03 but we all know we have different views :) May 30 19:05:25 what all i can do when i gain root access ? May 30 19:05:28 but then I guess it wouldn't be Maemo I care about May 30 19:05:31 since i'd trash the other 90% May 30 19:05:33 :D May 30 19:06:00 xDaReaperx: all May 30 19:06:12 lol? May 30 19:07:05 at times i notice that my WLAN disconnects automatically May 30 19:07:08 xDaReaperx: you're *root* when you are root. this is unix. check linux/unix essentials May 30 19:07:09 on my N900 May 30 19:07:26 thats kind of weird May 30 19:08:05 depends on the wlan ap May 30 19:08:17 hmm the router is near to me May 30 19:08:29 its i think having a strong signal strenght May 30 19:08:37 how can i put a notice on planet maemo? May 30 19:08:49 there's a mail you can write to May 30 19:08:57 tuliobaars, on planet theres a frame on the right with a link to submit your blog May 30 19:09:22 "Aggregate your blog" May 30 19:10:17 xrchange the power saving mode for your N900 wifi May 30 19:10:25 xDaReaperx: ^^^ May 30 19:10:48 hmm how do i do that? May 30 19:11:00 kind of new to the device as i said May 30 19:11:42 settings -> internet connections -> one of the wlan ones -> settings -> go through the wizard until you get to 'advanced', then the 3rd tab lets you change power save mode May 30 19:11:43 settings - connections -pick one -edit - on end click additional_settings button or what it's called May 30 19:12:08 Okay ty i'll go through it now May 30 19:12:45 Stskeeps, how much will meego handset be open source? May 30 19:13:22 lcuk: as far as i know, fully, if it comes from meego.com May 30 19:13:25 okay i've set it to On(intermediate) for now May 30 19:13:41 lcuk: with exception of artwork/logo stuff and trademark compliance May 30 19:14:06 lcuk, but still you'll have closed drivers for devices =0) May 30 19:14:09 so is the expection of the 1.1 or whatever to have all its app open source? May 30 19:14:15 apps ^ May 30 19:14:22 lcuk, don't think so May 30 19:14:36 opensource system ~= opensource apps May 30 19:14:48 they would prob have meego store wth different apps May 30 19:14:49 Lantizia: after you've read the wiki and made up your mind not to troll or insult people, feel free to query any of the chanops to -q you - - - next week May 30 19:14:56 ZogG, sure, but thats one of hte big things Stskeeps just said he was against May 30 19:15:13 lcuk, which one? store or drivers? May 30 19:15:46 more open source May 30 19:15:46 ie, 97%, not 43% May 30 19:15:59 lcuk, i think it's about system not apps May 30 19:16:06 as apss not the part of the system May 30 19:16:09 is the 97% expected May 30 19:16:13 sure ZogG its easy to do that May 30 19:16:13 i mean file manager and everyday apps May 30 19:16:37 not the cool studd apss and games May 30 19:16:41 everyday apps on a phone are phone and mediaplayer May 30 19:16:46 It depends. May 30 19:16:51 it's not phone May 30 19:16:55 whats not? May 30 19:17:15 You need enough of the system open, to allow most apps to function well within the open space. May 30 19:17:30 lcuk, i think you'll have basic opensource apps for every handset function, but still you would want to change half with more cool apps May 30 19:17:31 heey! What's the latest panic? May 30 19:17:33 For most apps - i don't see major problems with maemo 5 May 30 19:17:51 For replacing core functionality - BME - dialer - camera - there are issues May 30 19:18:03 lcuk, look at that that all free apss in droid would be open and all not would be closed May 30 19:18:05 issues with camera? May 30 19:18:10 lcuk: yes May 30 19:18:25 yeah the camera needs more functions May 30 19:18:28 Hey again May 30 19:18:34 i loved the N73's functions for the camera May 30 19:18:36 lcuk, i'm dyslexic and it'a hard to explain for me May 30 19:18:54 lcuk: It's not open-source - which means that any tweaks have to be forced on it. May 30 19:18:56 yeah ZogG you arent making it clear May 30 19:18:58 is there ability of n900 to make HD videos? May 30 19:19:05 lcuk: Or completely reimplemented. May 30 19:19:05 SpeedEvil, and im not talking about now May 30 19:19:09 thats hwy im asking about meego May 30 19:19:12 ah May 30 19:19:15 missed that May 30 19:19:18 and stskeeps assertion of 97% May 30 19:19:48 lcuk, you know android has a lot of free official free apps, right? now think that meego would have similuar opensource apps May 30 19:19:51 he says principle thing is lack of open source on maemo, yet will meego be more open May 30 19:20:21 then again, who listens to me anymore May 30 19:20:21 :P May 30 19:20:24 lcuk, meego but not application. maybe 3rd party basic apps May 30 19:20:44 Stskeeps, i am, explain how it would work May 30 19:21:30 my turtle is going crazy May 30 19:21:32 no ZogG you are using a false analogy because the apps people use on android often are closed afaik May 30 19:21:50 the meego.com platform, ie, core, UX'es and reference applications, would be open source, with some exceptions on artwork and logo/trademark stuff. May 30 19:21:55 hardware adaptations may include blobs May 30 19:21:55 isnt therewasnt there a big hoo haa about distributing google apps May 30 19:22:33 so Stskeeps do you anticipate a working reference dialer for instance May 30 19:22:49 (blobs) though aiui it's a nice-to-have to get rid of then as much as possible May 30 19:22:56 lcuk okay, as i see it, most not freeware apps would be closed May 30 19:22:58 capable of being forked (whatever graphical issues ensue) and used as basis for a new project May 30 19:23:00 lcuk: without specific knowledge, yes, but people could write it on their own with ofono apis May 30 19:23:11 sure Stskeeps May 30 19:23:15 lcuk most free apps would be opensource, except maybe games May 30 19:23:25 people can write a new camera app using gstreamer and v4l now May 30 19:24:04 lcuk Stskeeps that's what i said, just didn't know the words — UX'es and reference applications =) May 30 19:24:20 lcuk: people can even write a new dialer, using e.g pnatd, aiui May 30 19:24:30 ideally people would help write reference apps, which would turn into included apps.. May 30 19:24:31 sure DocScrutinizer May 30 19:24:36 people can make new phone =) May 30 19:25:04 Stskeeps, with the handset UX being already somewhere between 0.0 and 1.1 (since its release is soonish) isnt it a bit late for that stage May 30 19:25:08 ZogG: yes, they can May 30 19:25:20 lcuk: 1.1 isn't close, afaik May 30 19:25:23 1.1 is october May 30 19:25:28 thats close :) May 30 19:25:33 very close May 30 19:25:38 i might be wrong, but they're fucking around with the version numbers so i don't know anymore May 30 19:25:40 it's not for me May 30 19:25:43 i might die =) May 30 19:25:44 ZogG: and you can't expect everything contributed to a open system is a FOSS app. Everybody is free to contribute closed apps May 30 19:25:47 yeah sure May 30 19:26:09 hey timeless_mbp hilighting in browser feels faster now May 30 19:26:10 DocScrutinizer that's what i said May 30 19:26:29 in fact.. it is working well :) May 30 19:26:33 ZogG: so what. If you don't like the closed app, write an open one May 30 19:26:35 pupnik: did you get the keyboard working? May 30 19:26:42 thankyouthankyou May 30 19:26:53 ZogG, but closed apps in the core cause problems, look at the lengths having to be gone to with just camera app here with our maemo May 30 19:26:57 DocScrutinizer, there would people that would write apps only for profit and if you pay for app you expect it to be better than free analog so these devs have to make it better May 30 19:27:06 it "always" works. just that one page May 30 19:27:28 lcuk not in the core, they can be integrated but not included May 30 19:27:30 which one page? May 30 19:27:52 ZogG, /me knows lots about integration May 30 19:28:02 -zogg May 30 19:28:02 lcuk, like ubuntu, it has only open drivers but that you addd repo and add nvidia drivers May 30 19:28:22 ± ZogG May 30 19:28:46 ZogG+-+-- May 30 19:29:00 ._. May 30 19:29:56 lcuk, i think mostly we are talking about the same thing but don't full y understand eachother May 30 19:30:10 ~hug lcuk May 30 19:30:11 * infobot gets a running start and tackle-hugs lcuk May 30 19:33:23 no anti viruses for maemo? May 30 19:34:14 xDaReaperx not yrt May 30 19:34:16 why? May 30 19:34:25 to stop viruses May 30 19:34:32 incase of malware attacks and that ^^ May 30 19:35:02 firefox has a lot of holes May 30 19:35:14 and can be exploited May 30 19:35:30 yeah May 30 19:35:45 isn't it firefox 3.5 May 30 19:35:49 in real? May 30 19:35:51 you can try to port linux antiviruces May 30 19:35:53 xDaReaperx, by default to get an app on your device, a user has to signup for extras upload rights, create the app, put it in devel, put it to testing, get it past an angry group of barking enthusiasts and can be pulled at any time May 30 19:35:58 viruses May 30 19:36:00 or use ovi May 30 19:36:05 LOL May 30 19:36:16 lcuk: so, firefox can be exploited from remote May 30 19:36:21 oh May 30 19:36:25 or use ovi | hahaha May 30 19:36:41 lcuk: probably all browsers on maemo can be exploited May 30 19:36:46 sure May 30 19:36:47 "angry group of barking enthusiasts" :) May 30 19:37:00 my turtle is going crazy May 30 19:37:06 pupnik, testing squad are cool :D May 30 19:37:13 its for a damned good reason May 30 19:37:35 flash can be exploited May 30 19:37:51 yep May 30 19:37:54 sure May 30 19:37:59 jacekowski that's why we don't get 10.1 May 30 19:38:05 :D May 30 19:38:29 jacekowski, anything can, but try running virus.exe or any of the normal shell code here May 30 19:38:33 arm != x86 May 30 19:38:37 so? May 30 19:38:37 I'm licensing everything of mine under the strict open-source license May 30 19:38:45 there is lot of arm shellcodes May 30 19:38:52 oh May 30 19:38:53 if you want to copy it, you have to agree to open every piece of code you ever write May 30 19:38:55 :D May 30 19:39:02 thats a good idea May 30 19:40:07 * DocScrutinizer wonders how much of an exploit a vulnerability in browser actually would create - given the fact the user user can't even start a ping May 30 19:40:22 depends if he has gainroot installed or not May 30 19:40:25 / rootsh May 30 19:40:30 yep May 30 19:40:34 obvously May 30 19:40:35 DocScrutinizer: enough to steal all user data May 30 19:40:42 the user can't install gainroot? ;) May 30 19:40:43 wait u can ping on maemo ? May 30 19:40:47 which is insane the way it is set up by default May 30 19:41:05 lcuk anything you can advice me to read to start coding on c++ on QT? May 30 19:41:14 ZogG: C++ or Qt. Pick one. May 30 19:41:17 hmm asks on ping : are you root ? May 30 19:41:29 ZogG, sure, search google for qt May 30 19:41:52 xDaReaperx, yeah they had to lock ping down! May 30 19:42:02 luke-jr isn't its C++ i write code while developing QT ? |c++ or python or whatever May 30 19:42:09 ZogG: Qt is its own language May 30 19:42:10 actually i am able to ping after sudo gainroot May 30 19:42:13 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/tutorials.html May 30 19:42:27 xDaReaperx: surprise surprise May 30 19:42:28 xDaReaperx, yeah thats what root does May 30 19:42:37 ZogG: it is compatible with C++, so you can mix the two, but it's just silly to do that unless you're porting an old C++ app May 30 19:42:38 hmm okay May 30 19:42:49 [2010-05-30 21:07:07] xDaReaperx: you're *root* when you are root. this is unix. check linux/unix essentials May 30 19:42:51 thats cool May 30 19:42:54 :D May 30 19:42:59 yeah you were right May 30 19:43:01 hehe May 30 19:43:13 luke-jr so i can write QT without knowledge of C++ ? May 30 19:43:15 what about telnet ? May 30 19:43:18 is it possible ? May 30 19:43:21 ZogG: sure May 30 19:43:29 luke-jr, thanks May 30 19:43:48 xDaReaperx: sure May 30 19:43:48 xDaReaperx: telnet is obsolete May 30 19:43:49 lucent, i thought in different way =) May 30 19:43:57 hmm oaky May 30 19:44:00 okay * May 30 19:44:04 luke-jr: yep, but *possible* May 30 19:44:26 ZogG: most c++ developer write c++ without using it features. May 30 19:44:28 what about attacks over bluetooth or wifi? May 30 19:44:39 though probably a sane persn would prefer ssh for normal purposes May 30 19:44:42 johnsq you mean QT features? May 30 19:44:55 ZogG: no c++. May 30 19:45:05 johnsq, sounds wierd =) May 30 19:45:49 hmm yeah it is possible to dns poison using wifi May 30 19:46:08 so it leads you to phishing sites May 30 19:46:19 only if your DNS setup is crap May 30 19:46:24 * n900-dk hates Tom Dooley... Why can't people listen to normal music May 30 19:46:37 well maybe , or maybe if you have a crappy firewall May 30 19:46:47 i wonder if maemo has a firewall lol May 30 19:46:53 I am trying to install cpp on N900 itself ... but even though I have the repository added correctly it is unable to locate the package. May 30 19:47:07 The package itself is in the repository May 30 19:47:14 anyone know why? May 30 19:47:28 goodwill: cpp? really? May 30 19:47:34 i just wanna try to write widget for xmms2 for maemo May 30 19:47:34 do you know what cpp is? May 30 19:47:39 luke-jr: still I got telnet installed on my n900 as my router has no other fullsize configuration interface May 30 19:47:43 luke-jr: c++ ? May 30 19:47:47 goodwill: no May 30 19:47:47 gcc-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb May 30 19:47:50 luke-jr see plus plus? May 30 19:47:54 goodwill: C PreProcessor May 30 19:47:57 ah May 30 19:48:09 the C++ compiler is called G++ May 30 19:48:10 luke-jr: also comes handy to check pop3/whatever servers on the lowest level May 30 19:48:22 luke-jr: one way or another is that I need for gcc compilation on the phone May 30 19:48:52 DocScrutinizer: socat May 30 19:49:04 luke-jr: valid point May 30 19:49:24 telnet isn't the lowest level May 30 19:49:26 alas the cmdline options are mindboggling May 30 19:49:28 it's just a different level May 30 19:49:32 luke-jr: any ideas why I can not apt-get from the repo? May 30 19:49:37 socat stdio TCP:remotehost:port May 30 19:49:55 goodwill: the repo probably doesn't have it May 30 19:50:03 luke-jr: thanks :-)) May 30 19:50:14 luke-jr: I check the server itself ... it does ... May 30 19:50:23 hey is there any command to reboot the phone ? May 30 19:50:26 goodwill: the server might, but the server has multiple repos May 30 19:50:31 xDaReaperx: reboot May 30 19:50:36 lol May 30 19:50:37 k May 30 19:50:40 xDaReaperx: also, it's not a phone May 30 19:50:43 luke-jr: I am able to pull other bits fromt eh repo ... May 30 19:50:49 yeah internet tablet May 30 19:50:55 or so lol May 30 19:52:33 luke-jr: I am able to manually download and install the package ... I just find its odd that its not part of the repo May 30 19:52:59 actually replacing the somewhat braindead config'd sudo by a osso-su would make up a nice little project May 30 19:53:35 ... May 30 19:53:40 the kind of X-su that pops up a requester to ask for the root pwd May 30 19:53:42 su is obsolete May 30 19:53:48 just configure sudo right May 30 19:53:49 uhuh May 30 19:54:10 and which requester will it rise to get he passwd? May 30 19:54:54 well does the n900 most of the time run at 250 MHZ ? May 30 19:55:22 I would think 0 Hz May 30 19:55:31 oh May 30 19:55:48 zaheerm, ping May 30 19:55:59 anyways of finding out the frequency it runs at ? May 30 19:56:07 xDaReaperx: OMAP has a zero-clock feature May 30 19:56:24 xDaReaperx: powertop is nice for that May 30 19:56:33 hmmm okay May 30 19:58:45 # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state May 30 19:58:51 xDaReaperx: every other app would probably read out whatever /sys/* while the own process keeps the CPU busy, so results aren't worth much May 30 19:59:10 Hmmm okay May 30 20:00:09 xDaReaperx: or that :-) May 30 20:01:24 is it OMAP 3530 ? May 30 20:01:37 or something lower May 30 20:01:51 does anyone know what is the difference between: cpp-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5_armel.deb and cpp-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb May 30 20:01:58 one is 13 and the other is 9 May 30 20:02:08 is that supposed to be versioning? May 30 20:02:34 xDaReaperx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware ;-) May 30 20:02:51 ty May 30 20:03:21 hmm okay OMAP3430 May 30 20:03:40 goodwill, that is versioning May 30 20:03:45 hmm May 30 20:03:51 how would you say May 30 20:03:51 Would you like me to terminate your current connection and connect to the correct one for fetching the MMS? May 30 20:03:55 in correct english? May 30 20:03:56 lcuk: and I am assuming 13 is the latest? May 30 20:04:09 that would be logical May 30 20:04:26 timeless_mbp: ping May 30 20:04:34 btw goodwill its trivial to "apt-get install build-essential" if you really want May 30 20:04:40 default flash has enough space by default May 30 20:05:03 pong May 30 20:05:14 lcuk: says no such package May 30 20:05:19 timeless_mbp: "Would you like me to terminate your current connection and connect to the correct one for fetching the MMS?" in correct english, please :) May 30 20:05:30 please hold May 30 20:05:50 lcuk: I can not see to find an easy way to set up gcc and make and there up on the phone May 30 20:05:55 what does cat /proc/mem actually do ? May 30 20:05:56 then goodwill which repositories have you got, the maemo sdk and maemo tools repositories are the only additional ones i get May 30 20:05:56 To retrieve the MMS your activate connection will need to be dropped. Switch connection? May 30 20:06:05 add those 2 repositories and the command is simple May 30 20:06:10 'your activate connection'? May 30 20:06:11 ;) May 30 20:06:14 some commas are probably required May 30 20:06:34 lcuk: is maemo sdk repo safe to install on the device itself? May 30 20:06:39 To retrieve the MMS your active connection will need to changed. Switch connection? May 30 20:06:44 Stskeeps: thanks May 30 20:06:52 i still think there's a comma required May 30 20:07:00 goodwill: phone will not explode May 30 20:07:14 jacekowski: well that good to hear May 30 20:07:20 goodwill, its a repository of software used to create the software on your phone May 30 20:07:25 :) May 30 20:07:46 timeless_mbp: ty May 30 20:07:46 development version of it May 30 20:07:50 lcuk: I was just wondering about that warning: "These repositories are meant to be used with apt-get only within the SDK environment." May 30 20:08:01 * frals is trying to sort out transifex May 30 20:08:02 xDaReaperx: /proc/mem is killing your device most probably whenever you dare to touch it May 30 20:08:17 xDaReaperx: well, not device, just system May 30 20:08:23 oh okay May 30 20:08:28 so this will increase CPU usage ? May 30 20:08:43 it will probably cause a kernel panic May 30 20:08:54 lcuk: would you be kind enough to give the exact "deb" line to add the sdk repos? May 30 20:09:00 goodwill, you are the one trying to add compiler to the device May 30 20:09:10 lcuk: yes May 30 20:09:34 oh ok May 30 20:09:40 the repository informaiton is around and you have it May 30 20:10:59 hi all May 30 20:11:22 who knows is there any channel devoted to maemo5 and n900? May 30 20:12:30 ah there we go May 30 20:12:40 lcuk: got it ... thanks for all your help May 30 20:13:43 need more help; "%dMB file size limit on attachments, please select another file." "Please make sure your settings are correct" May 30 20:14:49 and "Invalid attachment" May 30 20:17:01 timeless_mbp: ^ if you have time :) May 30 20:17:08 hehehe May 30 20:17:20 build-essentials ate up like 30mb on rootfs May 30 20:17:27 only 30mb May 30 20:17:43 please hold May 30 20:17:48 * GAN900 hates those ugly Mappero buttons. May 30 20:18:03 * Corsac would really like maep to be able to drop a pin May 30 20:18:08 frals: wait May 30 20:18:12 please explain the limit May 30 20:18:20 is it a per file limit or a per message limit? May 30 20:18:45 per file limit, it shows up when a user attempts to select a file thats over X May 30 20:19:11 Attachment is too large (limit is %d MB) May 30 20:19:42 Please check your settings May 30 20:19:52 --- May 30 20:19:57 what made the attachment invalid? May 30 20:20:02 do you only support certain file types? May 30 20:20:19 yeah May 30 20:20:27 which types? May 30 20:21:00 or rather, its a general catch-all message when something fucked up with attaching the file to the message May 30 20:21:08 heh May 30 20:21:18 Couldn't attach file. May 30 20:21:56 * GAN900 hates those ugly Mappero buttons. May 30 20:22:00 I thought I'm the only one May 30 20:22:02 ty :) May 30 20:26:21 interesting May 30 20:26:34 pkg-config does not know about calendar-backend May 30 20:28:56 Anybody want to give me a list of notable application releases or updates from the past week? May 30 20:29:03 Minus fMMS and Mappero. May 30 20:29:56 jgombos strikes again! May 30 20:30:18 GAN900: i think witter added rotation support today May 30 20:34:17 Stskeeps: I disabled PSM completely May 30 20:34:23 the network still disconnects May 30 20:35:03 does maemo run on top of x? May 30 20:35:15 sure May 30 20:35:56 I'm wondering if it's related to usbnetwork May 30 20:38:15 is it possible to install python on my maemo? I did not found python on the list of possible packages to install... May 30 20:39:35 astruasdh, python on its own isnt really a user level app May 30 20:39:47 but sure, python is available, try something like healthcheck which is written in pyqt May 30 20:39:51 or fmms which is pygtk May 30 20:39:56 or hermes May 30 20:40:02 or one of many apps May 30 20:40:09 Setting up sudo (1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5) ... May 30 20:40:09 Updating sudoers May 30 20:40:09 /usr/sbin/update-sudoers: line 45: /usr/sbin/visudo: No such file or directory May 30 20:40:09 /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo changes break sudoers May 30 20:40:09 dpkg: error processing sudo (--configure): May 30 20:40:10 subprocess post-installation script returned error May 30 20:40:13 any suggestions? May 30 20:41:21 you busted it again May 30 20:41:25 lcuk, ya, I asked it because I wrote some python apps that I wanna run on my nokia n900 May 30 20:41:31 lcuk, sadly May 30 20:41:34 ty May 30 20:41:53 astruasdh, so package them up, add python as dependency and all is good with the world May 30 20:42:05 heh, didn't know there was Garnet VM for the N900 May 30 20:42:09 very nice May 30 20:43:38 oh crap May 30 20:43:46 lcuk, ya, but the problem is that the "python" interpreter is not installed... May 30 20:43:46 I forced the unmount of / May 30 20:44:09 mohammad@mohammad-i5:~$ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 / May 30 20:44:09 mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist May 30 20:44:13 Am I fooked? May 30 20:44:20 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 58404 Apr 17 2009 visudo May 30 20:44:24 Is it worth to overclock the phone to play games? like GBA or PSX maybe? May 30 20:44:43 No May 30 20:45:02 astruasdh, sure so either use the command line or install something that requires python May 30 20:45:11 why not? May 30 20:47:03 lcuk, ahhh got it! the apt-get front-end does not show me all available, just more high level apps... is it? is it possible to apt-cache search python, for examle? May 30 20:47:33 astruasdh, sure it is May 30 20:47:35 :) May 30 20:48:11 tyvm! :) May 30 20:54:14 can some who has scratchbox running run this: "pkg-config calendar-backend --libs" and tell me if they get any output May 30 20:55:50 * GAN900 is working himself up to mouth-foam levels summarizing the past week. May 30 21:03:27 What was the name of the thread Eero wrote about the PR1.2 delays in May 30 21:03:30 ? May 30 21:09:59 it is on mwkn GAN900 May 30 21:15:04 pupnik, is it? May 30 21:15:35 * GAN900 always has to recheck the previous weeks' issues for dupes. May 30 21:15:43 how can i put my Maemo Blog URL on maemo planet? May 30 21:16:01 tuliobaars, talk to X-Fade. May 30 21:16:27 niels at maemo dot org May 30 21:16:35 http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/ May 30 21:16:47 tuliobaars didnt lcuk say that to you like 2hrs ago? :D May 30 21:18:40 19:30 20:00 and now! May 30 21:18:50 hes been told the same thing by multiple people multiple times May 30 21:21:33 quick google found it GAN900 - need heklp? May 30 21:22:02 pupnik, nah, I can get it. May 30 21:22:33 pupnik, pointing to why PR1.3 is unlikely to face PR1.2's delays. ;) May 30 21:23:25 ohh May 30 21:24:13 and wishing Jaffa weren't on vaction, the bastard. May 30 21:25:48 on chulak? May 30 21:26:19 is there going to be a PR 1.3? May 30 21:27:03 What's up with twitter May 30 21:27:07 nite all, sweet dreams May 30 21:27:11 MOUD, as far as I know May 30 21:27:16 and supposedly more after May 30 21:27:27 We shall see, though, I suppose. May 30 21:27:34 nice May 30 21:27:42 trem, gn May 30 21:27:51 anidel says he posted some to mwkn, but I can't find them for the life of me. May 30 21:47:21 ~curse users May 30 21:47:22 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users ! May 30 21:47:56 frals, users arent that bad May 30 21:48:33 well, there are good days and bad days, today is a bad one :P May 30 21:48:57 :( May 30 21:49:02 im impressed how they found my email without reading any other instruction thou, they deserve cudos for that May 30 21:49:06 * lcuk offers you some well cooked trout May 30 21:49:10 :D May 30 21:49:58 Could be worse. May 30 21:50:08 They could be turning up at your door. May 30 21:50:15 GAN900, if you have got problems filling MWKN feel free to add a note about http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/ and me needing help translating ;-) May 30 21:50:19 lol SpeedEvil May 30 21:50:26 * FredrIQ has quit irc (G-lined) May 30 21:50:41 haha, /me May 30 21:52:00 I read that nokia will adopt meebo for its next cellphones... does maemo will be discontinued? May 30 21:52:12 Meego. May 30 21:52:15 bleebmo May 30 21:52:25 astruasdh: correct May 30 21:52:29 Also - it's been stated repeatedly I think that symbian has a future. May 30 21:52:46 But yes - maemo is not being on any more phones. May 30 21:52:49 Maemo won't be discontinued May 30 21:52:57 SpeedEvil: in the mid-range? May 30 21:52:59 but it won't be discontinued May 30 21:52:59 It's been implied that n900 will carry on maemo development officially May 30 21:53:08 loool when i load up duke nukem 3d through dosbox (ye i know), my phone crashes May 30 21:53:09 well - for maybe a year - till it dies. May 30 21:53:15 haah fuck, i've just bought my n900! hehe May 30 21:53:29 Well the next release is going to be more of a halfway step between Maemo and MeeGo, and then next one will have evolved fully into MeeGo May 30 21:53:31 we're two people here that after upgrading to PR1.2 has had problems with contacts not being matched when someone is calling, seems to be (in our case) a +46 and 0 prefix problem. Is this a known problem? May 30 21:53:52 astruasdh: yeah, I was tricked into a N810 :( May 30 21:54:42 n900 is a very powerful hardware... maybe it will be possible to port meego into it May 30 21:54:55 it is, and the team was already assigned May 30 21:55:20 * MohammadAG slaps Stskeeps with a not-so-CTCP-ish ping May 30 21:55:26 astruasdh: N900 is not so powerful compared to 2010 devices May 30 21:55:54 * SpeedEvil wants his HAL 9000. May 30 21:56:05 but I guess nokia liked to screw their existing customers so I guess they'll EoL N900 soon and just abandon it, so community will have to support it. May 30 21:56:16 SwedeMike: that's how it went with N810 at least May 30 21:56:25 I've seen no reason to expect otherwise May 30 21:56:36 * FredrIQ *** ok, sorry guys, that ame passed through too much things (multinetwork, +T...) May 30 21:56:48 luke-jr, like what device? May 30 21:56:53 * ShadowJK uses his n800 and n810 daily still :D May 30 21:57:03 astruasdh: Nexus One, if you don't mind a missing keyboard May 30 21:57:11 yeah, ok... I agree... n900 has a 600 mhz cpu, and iphone htc hd2 has a 1000mhz May 30 21:57:17 astruasdh: 1 GHz + 512 MB RAM May 30 21:57:32 though the clock speeds aren't comparable :/ May 30 21:57:32 the next generation will have dual core 1 to 1.5 GHz May 30 21:57:35 the iPhone 3GS has an underclocked 800MHz ARM May 30 21:57:40 ShadowJK: why not? they're both ARM May 30 21:57:50 not sure about the 4G one May 30 21:57:54 luke-jr, yeah but they're different cpus May 30 21:57:54 wow May 30 21:57:55 astruasdh: what exactly is "iphone htc hd2"? May 30 21:58:01 HTC is not Apple May 30 21:58:06 I bought n900 because the keyboard and the linux-based os May 30 21:58:09 he doesn't use commas May 30 21:58:17 astruasdh: good reasons May 30 21:58:21 indeed May 30 21:58:29 luke-jr, it was a typo... htc hd2 May 30 21:58:31 astruasdh: too bad it doesn't run real Linux (yet?) May 30 21:59:14 hmmm the cpu is arm, and there is support by the kernel for arm archs May 30 21:59:24 astruasdh: a computer is more than a CPU May 30 21:59:53 luke means that the kernel.org kernel is missing too many things to be useful on n900 May 30 22:00:11 but for port the os, the cpu is the most difficult parameter May 30 22:00:30 someone should make a N900 version of http://elinux.org/N800#Status May 30 22:00:34 if there is kernel support and glibc support, it may be possible to port all os May 30 22:00:39 hmmm May 30 22:00:42 ya, agree May 30 22:00:48 astruasdh: no, CPU tends to be documented May 30 22:01:13 other hardware we have to beg for specs and problably end up having to reverse engineer May 30 22:01:19 astruasdh: no other os will be more fun than maemo5 on n900 - i think May 30 22:01:35 hm May 30 22:01:43 whats up with devel? May 30 22:02:31 weekend breakdown? May 30 22:03:01 hm May 30 22:03:07 404 not found May 30 22:03:10 :( May 30 22:03:11 how the hell is it possible for dosbox to crash the os? May 30 22:03:12 :( May 30 22:03:30 is there a new address for devel? May 30 22:03:31 just kill it May 30 22:03:34 no May 30 22:03:55 luke-jr, http://techie-buzz.com/tips-and-tricks/run-debian-on-n900.html May 30 22:04:15 easy debian? May 30 22:04:28 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ May 30 22:04:35 is that right? May 30 22:04:41 cure`: try again May 30 22:04:48 no, real debian May 30 22:04:49 wohooo May 30 22:04:53 oh May 30 22:04:57 hmmm May 30 22:05:06 i suspect it was something else May 30 22:05:23 i did 3 times May 30 22:05:24 multiple music widgets May 30 22:05:27 bingo 3 times May 30 22:05:29 on my desktop :D May 30 22:05:45 easy debian? I read it at my n900, but I dont know what is it May 30 22:05:54 no idea May 30 22:06:08 is there no fremantle 1.2 devel? May 30 22:06:23 no May 30 22:06:27 frals, added. May 30 22:06:28 it is a full-blown debian installation inside a chroot jail on your n900 May 30 22:06:49 * Arkenoi thinks about downgrading back to 1.1.1, but i am afraid too many packages are broken with it May 30 22:06:49 * MohammadAG has Fedora installed May 30 22:06:55 with Ubuntu coming up May 30 22:07:00 man... when is the new ovi store coming out... May 30 22:07:10 soon :) May 30 22:07:21 GAN900: cheers :) May 30 22:07:42 MohammadAG: how soon? ;) May 30 22:07:51 idk May 30 22:07:58 could be PR1.2 soon :) May 30 22:08:02 hahahaha May 30 22:08:03 * MohammadAG sniggers May 30 22:08:05 :P May 30 22:08:42 isn't it supposed to be out last thurs or something? May 30 22:08:50 yeah May 30 22:08:50 hmmm nice May 30 22:09:40 :( May 30 22:09:43 dev is down May 30 22:09:46 MohammadAG: pr1.2 soon, that would be, eh nice :P May 30 22:09:50 and i want ioquake May 30 22:10:10 this way you can install all those applications available in the debian repos without screwing with your main maemo os, astruasdh May 30 22:10:22 i cant seem to get my browser to work in port. mode... May 30 22:10:56 ctrl + shift + o didnt work May 30 22:10:57 pr1.3 is coming this year May 30 22:11:11 midas_: there's now a setting for it in the settings May 30 22:11:20 that didn't work for me in pr1.1.1 and under eihter btw May 30 22:11:21 mindfaq, but I will see the debian's gnome screen instead of the maemo one? or the chroot is just to run debian apps over the maemo x? May 30 22:11:36 astruasdh, your choice May 30 22:11:45 midas_: Options -> Settings in fact May 30 22:11:46 you can use from LXDE May 30 22:11:51 and from maemo x May 30 22:12:31 pigeon: settings in the browser or settings for the phone? May 30 22:12:40 FIQ, wow!!! that is nice! May 30 22:12:52 barriosquare still broken May 30 22:12:54 nevermind :P May 30 22:12:57 it is May 30 22:13:09 much better May 30 22:13:26 now just to find the skype video phone mode :) May 30 22:13:30 python2.5-qt4-gui May 30 22:14:25 with easy debian, the debian will be mixed with the maemo os, or it will be handled separately? May 30 22:14:32 i suck at keeping XChat open longer than 2 minutes May 30 22:14:33 does anyone use the "healthcheck" app? it doesn't seem to run anyone... some missing symbol problem with a python module. May 30 22:14:37 it will be a seperate directory May 30 22:14:40 i always misclick "exit" May 30 22:14:40 in the filesystem May 30 22:14:41 :( May 30 22:15:04 it's an image May 30 22:15:15 yeah May 30 22:15:25 the biggest part is the installation is the extract of that May 30 22:15:29 mounted through a loop device May 30 22:15:35 made my phone lag very much May 30 22:15:55 but after that, debian was installed and worked flawlessy May 30 22:16:06 wow, got it! easy debian will mount -o a debian image! that is nice! I have much work for the hollyday May 30 22:16:13 because nokia people thought it's smart to make a ~27 GiB fat partition ;) May 30 22:16:53 mindfaq, that's why you should resize it May 30 22:17:09 i would, if i knew how May 30 22:17:37 and let other things use that random berspace throwed away just for media May 30 22:17:49 there is a page on the wiki May 30 22:17:53 it's not that simple May 30 22:18:02 meh May 30 22:18:15 Wizzup: :) May 30 22:18:52 wat May 30 22:18:59 iirc /etc/fstab gets overwritten on each boot or something like that May 30 22:19:30 and some problem with the camera May 30 22:20:47 mindfaq, why would the camera complain May 30 22:20:54 you keep the partition May 30 22:20:59 but you shrink it May 30 22:21:04 couldn't be that hard May 30 22:21:37 the problem is that the partition must be unmounted for that to work though May 30 22:21:39 it is possible but there are some caveats May 30 22:21:47 iirc May 30 22:22:07 grrrr May 30 22:22:09 wtf May 30 22:22:17 is wrong with devel? May 30 22:22:19 :( May 30 22:22:23 HM May 30 22:22:26 DUNNO May 30 22:22:27 eh May 30 22:22:29 -caps May 30 22:22:31 in the last update, the maemo's skype has now a webcam support? May 30 22:22:49 any sdl + gles wizards around? May 30 22:23:10 astruasdh: seemingly May 30 22:23:19 Pringles have less than 50% potato content. May 30 22:23:21 i havent seen it yet though May 30 22:23:28 astruasdh, thats the rumor May 30 22:23:37 i know google vid works May 30 22:23:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash May 30 22:24:03 and now contacts have a video chat button May 30 22:24:15 hmmm ty May 30 22:24:31 i am just mad devel is down May 30 22:24:33 how come sdl-libs is almost completly missing on maemo repos? May 30 22:24:46 can I install an official Debian, generate an Image, and use it with easy debian instead of that default image? May 30 22:24:53 :( May 30 22:25:09 yes, but I doubt it's trivial May 30 22:25:10 astruasdh, that should work May 30 22:25:36 Mace_N900: videochat? i dont see that tho? May 30 22:25:40 make sure it's using ARM as an arch though May 30 22:25:41 FIQ most of the sdl libs are in extras-testing and extras-devel May 30 22:25:45 nice :) May 30 22:25:48 * GAN900 is at 13 stories. May 30 22:25:58 maybe it's my contacts tho May 30 22:26:03 what is wrong with the image it comes with? May 30 22:26:15 lenny is becoming old ;) May 30 22:26:27 just remove what you dont want with apt May 30 22:26:31 heh May 30 22:26:47 no dist-update? May 30 22:27:02 i wish someone would make an opensolaris based maemo May 30 22:27:05 :) May 30 22:27:11 that would be quite slow May 30 22:27:21 liar! May 30 22:27:34 ah finally got it working :+ May 30 22:27:38 oh.. you mean the dist update. May 30 22:27:55 no, he means slowlaris xD May 30 22:28:04 Mace_N900: and used zfs for the storage? :) May 30 22:28:04 libsdl-ttf2.0-dev: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not installable or May 30 22:28:06 ok May 30 22:28:11 opensolaris is bryond great May 30 22:28:16 midas, yes May 30 22:28:18 raidz May 30 22:28:22 heh May 30 22:28:23 i like it, too May 30 22:28:26 hehe :p May 30 22:28:41 i had 22TB on the n900 :) May 30 22:28:44 it is the best thing i have ever used as a server May 30 22:28:51 nothing against the image that comes with easy debian, because I dont know that: that is why it should be better to use an official image May 30 22:29:15 time for bed May 30 22:29:18 nn yall May 30 22:29:29 22TB hehe May 30 22:29:54 i would set up a raid0 with the onboard and a 32G sd May 30 22:29:56 heh May 30 22:30:02 astruasdh: maybe check the easy chroot package May 30 22:30:06 haha Mace_N900 :P May 30 22:30:09 that would be cool May 30 22:30:21 how long your n900 batery takes to become empty? May 30 22:30:25 :) May 30 22:30:43 well May 30 22:30:50 2-8 on average May 30 22:30:58 a long time May 30 22:31:00 hm May 30 22:31:00 it lasted 26h max May 30 22:31:04 question: May 30 22:31:14 i have constantly used mine and it kills my older G1 May 30 22:31:16 i have -devel but not -testing May 30 22:31:21 the g1 would last an hour May 30 22:31:22 has anyone noticed a real drain in battery power since pr1.2? May 30 22:31:26 will -testing be useless with -devel? May 30 22:31:31 o_O May 30 22:31:39 hmm May 30 22:31:43 fiq, does devel work for you? May 30 22:31:44 good point lol May 30 22:31:44 not necessarily, FIQ May 30 22:31:55 mace_N900, i can check May 30 22:31:58 Well May 30 22:31:58 the repo isnt working for me :( May 30 22:32:09 all -testing stuff is from -devel May 30 22:32:20 mc_teo: just the oposite May 30 22:32:21 if someone submitted his package to testing but has no newer version in devel, you won't get that package May 30 22:32:25 I don't see a reason why you just have both May 30 22:32:38 you can't submit to testing directly May 30 22:32:38 mc_teo: battery performance fells improved since pr1.2 to me May 30 22:32:40 OK, I think it's done unless anybody else has some really compelling content. May 30 22:32:41 I keep bluetooth powered off, and dont use 3g so much.. so mine lasts 2 days +-... but with no hard working, just using as a normal cellphone May 30 22:32:53 hmm May 30 22:32:59 well May 30 22:33:03 that's what i though May 30 22:33:07 hm May 30 22:33:14 ttyl May 30 22:33:20 and that's why i never added that repo May 30 22:33:23 speaking of battery :) May 30 22:33:31 so if switch off 3G ill get better battery life? May 30 22:33:32 stuff that's submitted to testing is kept in devel, MohammadAG? May 30 22:33:38 yes May 30 22:33:44 ok May 30 22:33:51 W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) May 30 22:33:57 and extras app are in all 3 repos May 30 22:33:59 is the only error (warning) i get May 30 22:34:06 -devel seems to work fine May 30 22:34:06 assuming there's no newer version May 30 22:34:40 ah, didn't know that May 30 22:34:42 FIQ, you have 2 repos duped May 30 22:34:48 n900 is so good, it replaced my laptop May 30 22:34:59 it did that for a week here May 30 22:35:09 and its battery lasts more than the lappy May 30 22:35:14 n900 is so good, it replaced my laptop May 30 22:35:16 and is flash going to be updated soon? May 30 22:35:16 (about 5 mins) May 30 22:35:20 mine too May 30 22:35:38 my lappy's battery is borked i guess May 30 22:35:44 except the fact that i prefer sitting with desktop keyb and screen May 30 22:35:46 that should be an advertisement, FIQ May 30 22:35:56 yeah May 30 22:36:04 FIQ: i have a media keyboard for that ;) May 30 22:36:06 FIQ, keyboard + TV out May 30 22:36:10 bluetooth and all :) May 30 22:36:17 Heh May 30 22:36:23 I will remove MyDocs' fat partition to create a 27g ext3. is there some problem doing this? May 30 22:36:41 you can use N900 as an old gaming console, a computer and a phone and more things May 30 22:36:42 and hey, if hostmode works soon you could use a display adapter, a keyboard and a mouse May 30 22:36:46 = instant win May 30 22:36:58 indeed May 30 22:37:11 and if you want to conquer the world, get a USB tactical nuke May 30 22:37:29 astruasdh: AFAIK camera app won't work without FAT MyDocs May 30 22:37:33 ("old gaming console" = tv-out, an good emulator and a SIXAXIS) May 30 22:37:58 only dont buy one with a usb 3.0 interface, it might not work properly May 30 22:38:10 the tactical nuke that is May 30 22:38:45 i have seen usb feetwarmer May 30 22:39:06 with 500 mA? May 30 22:39:07 nice May 30 22:39:12 smoku, hmmm bad news :( ah, no problem... that approach to swap the mydocs and /home should work fine May 30 22:39:19 yeah, why not May 30 22:39:27 you even can use your N900 to watch tv, video, radio, texttv, and (wall of things, both useless and useful) May 30 22:39:51 astruasdh: AFAIK camera app won't work without FAT MyDocs May 30 22:39:54 any idea why? May 30 22:40:04 someone posted why on tmo May 30 22:40:10 not sure where May 30 22:40:10 FIQ, watch tv??? how? May 30 22:40:22 shame that devs just don't get the fact that N900 can do more than iPhone. :( May 30 22:40:23 the browser doesn't save to my ext3 card May 30 22:40:29 astruasdh: web-tv May 30 22:40:34 LiraNuna: It's a (closed) bug May 30 22:40:35 ahhh ya May 30 22:40:42 SpeedEvil, closed as... WONTFIX? May 30 22:40:51 no - fixed May 30 22:40:51 or use a digital TV receiver, WHEN hostmode works :) May 30 22:40:54 Maemo hardcodes the MyDocs partition as /dev/mmcblk0p1 in several applications <- taken from maemo wiki May 30 22:41:00 so it's fixed in PR1.2? May 30 22:41:06 1.1.1 I think May 30 22:41:11 mindfaq, that shouldn't matter May 30 22:41:17 the node stays the same May 30 22:41:21 I left mydocs as VFAT, shrunk it May 30 22:41:25 even if you change the fs type May 30 22:41:36 and made a new data partition with 25G May 30 22:41:40 but it has -t vfat (or w/e it uses) hard coded May 30 22:41:46 SpeedEvil, oh, so why isn't MyDocs ext3? May 30 22:41:50 ah, so i can safely remove my vfat partition to use just ext3... ? May 30 22:41:53 how is koffice coming along? May 30 22:42:09 would love to see a maemo koffice already May 30 22:42:11 LiraNuna: some nokia guy explained it on some mailing list May 30 22:42:12 SpeedEvil, mount it in /media/data and you should see it when downloading/using hildon-m May 30 22:42:14 fm* May 30 22:42:32 I'm not fond of using FAT on my data directory May 30 22:42:33 LiraNuna: you can't sell a device which is not accessable from the average windows computer May 30 22:42:42 a linux-based cellphone os with 27g fat sounds kind of fun May 30 22:42:47 sure, but can't do it myself? May 30 22:42:56 *can't I May 30 22:43:02 well May 30 22:43:14 at least, it really should be easier to do May 30 22:43:25 change the fs i mean May 30 22:43:39 again: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash May 30 22:43:57 LiraNuna, http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash here there are some tips about repartitioning... but I'm with you: I'll remove my fat May 30 22:44:35 astruasdh, with exercise and proper diet? May 30 22:46:11 haha May 30 22:46:31 * SpeedEvil loves the n900 diet. May 30 22:46:40 (buy n900, be unable to afford food) May 30 22:46:48 n900>food May 30 22:47:05 I'm with my n900 not more than 1 week, so I have no data to care... and I really don't wanna use n900 as a usb flash May 30 22:47:36 i dumped tons of mp3's and vids on it straight away lol May 30 22:47:45 heya guys... have to go... thank u very much for the tips, cya! May 30 22:47:48 More seriously - I promised myself I'd partially subsidise my n900 with food savings. May 30 22:47:53 Now 20Kg down. Woo! May 30 22:48:04 and quake1 through 3 May 30 22:48:27 haha May 30 22:51:34 hm May 30 22:51:38 btw May 30 22:51:48 27+2=29 May 30 22:52:00 what's up with the missing 3GB? May 30 22:52:21 or do i fail? May 30 22:52:36 GiB != GB May 30 22:52:44 i know May 30 22:52:50 but still May 30 22:52:57 too much missing May 30 22:53:01 nope May 30 22:53:12 that's how much my N97 had May 30 22:53:18 ok May 30 22:53:25 768 for swap May 30 22:53:30 ah yeah May 30 22:53:33 you forgot that May 30 22:53:54 isn't swap on NAND? May 30 22:53:58 nope May 30 22:54:04 ok May 30 22:54:29 I can't seem to find a way to list absolutely all products not aggregated together in a list. I want to submit a bug for hildon-desktop May 30 22:54:30 though NAND were 1GB May 30 22:54:35 but ok May 30 22:54:43 no - swap is on the emmc May 30 22:54:56 samsung oneNAND isn't available in high capacities May 30 22:55:36 iirc they just announced 512 MiB chips May 30 22:55:39 if swap had its own NAND it would technically be RAM... May 30 22:56:24 lol May 30 22:56:33 ok, fine May 30 22:56:35 :p May 30 22:56:41 * FIQ is tired May 30 22:56:49 Mon May 31 01:56:48 IDT 2010 May 30 22:56:57 think of a better excuse :P May 30 22:57:09 00:56 gmt+2 here May 30 22:57:35 or well, gmt+1 and summertime May 30 22:57:48 dunno whatever it's called May 30 22:57:55 dst/utc/whatever May 30 22:57:56 here too May 30 22:58:06 daylight saving time? ;) May 30 22:59:04 guess so May 30 22:59:07 brb May 30 22:59:17 cet May 30 22:59:37 + dst May 30 23:15:28 SpeedEvil: bugzilla's query.cgi has a list :) May 30 23:15:47 view-source:bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi May 30 23:17:37 only problem is that it looks like hildon-desktop is 'diablo-community-updates' May 30 23:19:45 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10438 May 30 23:19:46 Bug 10438: Hildon-desktop segfaults if May 30 23:19:57 did I eventially find the right place? May 30 23:20:01 oh May 30 23:20:19 I seemed to have suffered a minor oops with that. May 31 00:12:45 ping May 31 00:13:39 no one's here, go away May 31 00:18:34 ty May 31 00:19:39 yw May 31 00:32:21 what confuses me about the scratchbox is that by default it has no software May 31 00:34:07 you'd think it would look like a stock n900 image + sdk May 31 00:35:26 no May 31 00:35:56 because you arent meant to play with the damn sdk like a n900 user May 31 00:36:13 get to work May 31 00:36:22 *blinks* May 31 00:36:26 yes sit May 31 00:36:26 The SDK is not supposed to be an emulator. May 31 00:36:28 sir May 31 00:37:16 well I need to install some of the stock apps so I can test the functionality May 31 00:37:37 goodwill: beyond simple games most applications that use phone resources wouldn't work since there's no phone function emulator May 31 00:38:23 asj: I do not even need a phone for developing my application May 31 00:39:20 there is a disconnect ... on the device itself there is not enough space on rootfs to do dev ... -dev packages and the rests start maxing it out May 31 00:39:35 and sdk lacks emulation May 31 00:39:47 I am running between the two back and forth May 31 00:40:39 Well moving new binary to phone is a oneliner you can make an alias for May 31 00:41:09 that's what my workflow has always been: edit, compile, transfer May 31 00:41:15 yeah ... me too May 31 00:41:16 goodwill: why do you need -dev on the phone? You can debug without -dev... May 31 00:41:28 I just want 1 dev environment May 31 00:41:29 not 2 May 31 00:41:33 and transfer is fastest step really :-) May 31 00:41:45 ShadowJK: yeah I got ssh keys and aliases for that too May 31 00:41:50 transfer to device May 31 00:41:54 goodwill: you don't need 2, this is embedded dev without an emulator... May 31 00:41:59 and s t f u May 31 00:42:22 well 1 environment is easy, remove the ability of sdk to execute arm binaries, and don't install -dev packages on n900 :D May 31 00:42:22 pupnik: I see Mr. Polite is not in town today May 31 00:42:40 then you have pure crosscompiling and only run binaries in one environment :D May 31 00:43:16 ShadowJK: except now I need to install a bunch of apps in the sdk May 31 00:43:27 what apps? May 31 00:43:40 ShadowJK: I am working on a calendar widget May 31 00:43:48 I've never really had good luck with emulators, no matter how good they are. Either they are horrible, see symbian, or they don't emulate the environment the device is in and I can't test anything since there's no surrounding environment May 31 00:43:52 I need calendar in the sdk to check things May 31 00:44:20 i wish i could sympathize May 31 00:44:37 test on device please May 31 00:45:17 and the phone has a pretty darn good debug environment for an embdded device. stdout/stderr work great, and I think you can even use gdb no? May 31 00:47:00 for me sdk is that vm image I ssh into to compile things.. May 31 00:47:19 I don't even use any of the things that needs X/xephyr.. May 31 00:47:27 while of course sshing into the phone and working on the UI at the same time May 31 00:49:05 I'd like to be able to run the calendar UI in the SDK May 31 00:49:10 just so I can test things May 31 00:49:22 I can not get it installed as it seems SDK does not support https May 31 00:50:04 yaay for /ignorw May 31 00:50:34 :) May 31 00:51:27 goodwill: I'de like many things that I don't get to have :) May 31 00:53:25 really helpful attitude May 31 00:56:53 goodwill whats the problem with just testing on the device? just compile, transfer, test thats how all of us do it. May 31 00:58:02 Its only 1 command different than if you were testing in the sdk May 31 01:01:17 fun = log(time) May 31 01:02:04 thunderfest: thats what I have been doing and it is rather annoying ... but thats just me May 31 01:06:16 good morning May 31 01:06:34 good evening May 31 01:08:41 ~pms May 31 01:08:42 They Call it PMS because mad-cow disease was already taken May 31 01:09:05 ^ lol May 31 01:13:27 just cleaned my microwave oven. now i may be safe from GWB May 31 01:13:41 goodwill: this is just a suggestion but you could add a line to your makefile or whatever you use to do all the copying for you...thats what I do May 31 01:17:18 is it possible to use the nokia n800 as a bluetooth headset? May 31 01:20:47 anything is possible, some things just take longer :) May 31 01:21:06 * timeless_mbp doesn't think that's a supported out of the box configuration May 31 01:21:53 hrm May 31 01:22:09 any clues where i might go to obtain information on pairing it with a cell phone as a headset? May 31 01:22:38 bluez is the standard linux bluetooth stack May 31 01:23:07 ..i know what bluez is May 31 01:25:52 I want to detect sliding finger from right (like in microb). Do I have to implement the detection manually or is there some event fired when this happens??? May 31 01:25:57 well…. you'd need to convince bluez to make your n800 act as a headset May 31 01:26:06 tgalal: we do it manually May 31 01:27:05 timeless_mbp, oh ok. is there and example or some code that does this that I could follow May 31 01:27:12 * timeless_mbp shrugs May 31 01:27:14 timeless_mbp, early morning or late night? :P May 31 01:27:23 late night May 31 01:27:31 timeless_mbp, whatever happened to the mozilla repository? May 31 01:27:34 i just refactored a script which failed for a while May 31 01:27:41 csc`: which one? May 31 01:28:10 timeless_mbp, for the nokia tablets May 31 01:28:17 which one? May 31 01:28:17 csc`, Fennec? May 31 01:28:26 Pressumably they moved to Ovi May 31 01:28:36 Well, Firefox Mobile May 31 01:28:40 * timeless_mbp chuckle May 31 01:28:44 (which is a stupid name) May 31 01:28:53 sadly the skyfire folks stopped hosting skyfire for nokia phones May 31 01:28:55 i have a n800, i was curious if firefox was actually a usable solution on the n800 as apposed to the microbrowser May 31 01:28:57 you now need an ovi account May 31 01:29:02 skyfire? May 31 01:29:07 Ovi Store: Where the Pros go when their packaging sucks! May 31 01:29:21 GAN900: in this case, it was for symbian... May 31 01:29:41 timeless 17621 4.0 91.5 2470076 1594204 pts/1 D May17 808:49 /usr/bin/perl /data/mxr/genxref /data/meego.com/BUILD/ May 31 01:29:56 gan: that line has been making me sad for a while :( May 31 01:30:02 timeless_mbp, curious, whats skyfire? May 31 01:30:07 * GAN900 hopes the Handset UX gets a native UI for Fennec. May 31 01:30:26 csc`: skyfire:firefox::opera mini::opera May 31 01:30:40 OK, last call for mwkn.net stories I missed. May 31 01:30:56 timeless_mbp, ovi im guessing has replaced skyfire? May 31 01:31:02 csc`: no May 31 01:31:13 skyfire the company stopped hosting its own binaries May 31 01:31:18 and now relies on ovi to distribute them May 31 01:31:26 :< May 31 01:31:37 but since i refuse to get an ovi account, it meant that i couldn't install skyfire for a friend's n97 May 31 01:31:44 so i installed opera instead... May 31 01:31:46 is skyfire worth it the download or should i just stick with micro May 31 01:31:56 skyfire isn't available for linux afaik May 31 01:32:01 (android ne linux) May 31 01:32:18 timeless_mbp, why do you refuse to get an Ovi Account? May 31 01:32:18 bleh May 31 01:32:32 so firefox doesnt exist on the nokia tablets anymore, right? May 31 01:32:38 csc`: err May 31 01:32:51 you're confusing the hell out of me May 31 01:32:51 Termana: because there's a board in the company cafeteria which will remember me for 6 months from my first use of it May 31 01:33:03 csc`: not everything i say is addressed to you! May 31 01:33:09 csc`, Fennec is available for N8x0 still May 31 01:33:18 csc`, I dunno where the debs are May 31 01:33:29 csc`, but presumably the site should tell you. May 31 01:33:41 http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/dists/chinook/release/binary-armel/ May 31 01:33:48 is old stuff May 31 01:33:49 * timeless_mbp sighs May 31 01:34:31 i know all of it wasnt addressed to me May 31 01:34:33 ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mobile-trunk/ has .deb's May 31 01:34:48 dunno if they work on maemo4 May 31 01:34:50 i was asking if firefox is still updated on the n800 platform May 31 01:35:01 which in turn led me to watch the conversation May 31 01:35:29 well May 31 01:35:35 your original question didn't mention firefox May 31 01:35:38 it mentioned mozilla May 31 01:35:43 which is incredibly ambiguous May 31 01:36:14 (it could mean seamonkey, firefox, firefox for mobile [fennec], microb, skyfire [Not Available, but…], ...) May 31 01:37:00 timeless_mbp, given the channel context and the use of the word "repository" I think we can safely assume he's afterf Fennec. ;) May 31 01:37:05 microb is gecko? May 31 01:37:09 :< May 31 01:37:17 GAN900: i read 'repository' as 'source repository' May 31 01:37:28 csc`, really, really old Gecko. May 31 01:37:28 before i read it as 'binary repository' May 31 01:37:45 so i assumed he was asking where the sources were for the microb which has the screen detection stuff May 31 01:37:49 timeless_mbp, developer bias. :P May 31 01:37:55 it was a perfectly reasonable conclusion May 31 01:38:02 :( May 31 01:38:02 GAN900: developer question initiated context May 31 01:38:10 Hehe May 31 01:38:26 don't ask like a dev if you want to be treated as a user! May 31 01:38:26 GAN900, why not something more resource efficient like webkit :< May 31 01:38:44 csc`: why would you ask him? May 31 01:38:51 kinda stupid... May 31 01:38:54 csc`, 'cause WebKit didn't fit the bill in 2006 May 31 01:38:54 * timeless_mbp works for nokia May 31 01:38:58 rhetorical opinion question May 31 01:38:58 * timeless_mbp works on microb May 31 01:39:03 don't ask those! May 31 01:39:20 webkit wasn't actually an interesting browser in 2006 May 31 01:39:28 and in reality, it isn't a good choice for nokia May 31 01:39:38 csc`, http://firefox.com/m May 31 01:39:40 look at how well it's served their symbian customers May 31 01:39:41 but itos08 exists, thats two years of work May 31 01:39:44 (it hasn't) May 31 01:39:49 csc`, they claim N810 is supported May 31 01:39:55 csc`, think it'll work May 31 01:40:03 csc`, might also try Tear May 31 01:40:06 there's a great article about 'webkit' May 31 01:40:09 timeless_mbp: how does it feel to be exoert in so many factors that nobody else will understand May 31 01:40:28 csc`, MicroB came out late Summer 2007 May 31 01:40:35 http://www.quirksmode.org/webkit.html May 31 01:40:38 timeless, all i know is that i have memory applets and everytime a browser opens, it drops all the resources down to about 5mb May 31 01:40:49 and eventually, it stops loading images May 31 01:41:10 > And remember: May 31 01:41:10 > There is no “WebKit on mobile!” May 31 01:41:10 > So far I’ve tested 10 different mobile WebKits, and they are all slightly different. You can find the details below. May 31 01:41:37 csc`: um May 31 01:41:42 * timeless_mbp tries to care May 31 01:42:03 any web browser will take at least 4mb of ram May 31 01:42:05 timeless_mbp, two bugs behind you. May 31 01:42:18 GAN900: ? May 31 01:42:18 * GAN900 needs to file the rest of his PR1.2 bugs May 31 01:42:26 lol, it eats over 100mb of ram, timeless_mbp May 31 01:42:38 96 vs 94 filed May 31 01:42:52 GAN900: oh May 31 01:42:52 Hrm, that sounds wrong May 31 01:43:02 i should probably file some more May 31 01:43:17 244 bugs filed. May 31 01:43:19 browserd is using 35mb here May 31 01:43:26 2 windows May 31 01:43:33 * csc` shrugs May 31 01:43:34 so if you're using 100mb, you're doing 'something else May 31 01:43:39 Not sure what the karma algorithm is now May 31 01:43:44 normal browsing, timeless May 31 01:43:49 GAN900: it's basically "eat my count" May 31 01:43:50 * GAN900 just knows bergie hates bug reporters. May 31 01:44:12 csc`: are you using an n8x0 or an n900? May 31 01:44:23 * SpeedEvil notes that RSS is a lie. May 31 01:44:23 because if you're using an n8x0, i don't want to hear anything from you May 31 01:44:23 n800 May 31 01:44:31 yeah, thought so May 31 01:44:31 ok, go sit in a corner May 31 01:44:32 256 bugs May 31 01:44:45 http://www.selenic.com/smem/ works ok on n900 May 31 01:44:48 So, 12 bugs behind. May 31 01:44:48 timeless, not my fault nokia wants to ditch their products May 31 01:44:49 csc`: it isn't fair to complain about bugs in an out of date program May 31 01:44:56 csc`: not mine either May 31 01:45:02 but you're free to complain to nokia care May 31 01:45:10 i'll give you the phone number if you're too lazy to look it up May 31 01:45:15 csc`, did you check the link I provided yet? May 31 01:45:42 csc`: it isn't fair to compare a new version of a program against an ancient version of a program May 31 01:45:53 i don't compare gecko1.9.3+ against safari1.0 May 31 01:46:11 and please don't bite the engineer who talks to you May 31 01:46:16 it's poor form, and a terrible idea May 31 01:46:28 especially if he's been up since yesterday and it's nearly 5am and he skipped dinner May 31 01:46:33 he might bite back. May 31 01:46:37 microb is ancient by design May 31 01:46:46 (you aren't kosher, but that doesn't preclude biting) May 31 01:46:49 opera FTW May 31 01:46:51 csc`, good news is that N8x0 may have MeeGo sometime this year. May 31 01:47:01 * csc` shudders May 31 01:47:09 i thought that nokia denied these rumours May 31 01:47:20 jacekowski, not a rumor May 31 01:47:26 timeless_mbp, dont presume im a psychic, its bad form and generally considered crazy thoughts ;P May 31 01:47:27 Community-supported May 31 01:47:28 and they said that there will be no meego for old devices May 31 01:47:47 Officially supported MeeGo/Harmattan May 31 01:47:59 * GAN900 stabs Nokia for endlessly confusing branding. May 31 01:47:59 what about n900? May 31 01:48:23 No official support because they're cheap, short-sighted bastards May 31 01:48:36 But community support should be easy May 31 01:48:41 meh May 31 01:48:48 if only itos08 was community run May 31 01:49:12 Diablo's got a community SSU May 31 01:49:58 GAN900: well, i don't believe in any decent community support May 31 01:50:10 jacekowski, ok then. May 31 01:50:29 GAN900, link? May 31 01:50:39 csc`, somewhere on talk.maemo.org May 31 01:50:45 I don't have it handy. May 31 01:51:07 csc`, think it's a sticky in the Diablo forum May 31 01:51:35 csc`, and, by the way, it's Maemo 4. ITOS isn't a think anymore. :P May 31 01:51:46 jacekowski, Nokia has a team doing the hardware layer. May 31 01:51:49 So, meh. May 31 01:57:50 hello from Guatemala May 31 01:59:07 * timeless_mbp cries May 31 01:59:12 unlink is a bad idea while debugging May 31 01:59:38 If the files are not closed - they exist still in /proc May 31 01:59:59 they were closed and the process quit May 31 02:00:04 i only realized it afterwards May 31 02:00:08 it's 5am May 31 02:00:13 a bit late to be thinking clearly May 31 02:00:31 fail May 31 02:00:32 ah. May 31 02:00:46 Tired coding seems like a good idea at the time. May 31 02:01:16 Then you wake up, and find that you've copied a mirror of youtube over your /dev/sda May 31 02:02:00 LOL May 31 02:03:24 hrm May 31 02:06:43 well, that's great May 31 02:06:48 it seems i'm writing an empty database May 31 02:06:58 :/ May 31 02:11:50 on the bright side, it means i didn't actually delete a big database! May 31 02:11:53 less maintainence with an empty db May 31 02:16:25 timeless_mbp, curious question, since you have your nose in nokia's belongings, why doesnt the n800 have gps, and instead an fm tuner that isnt usable out of the box (With the last latest software release) May 31 02:16:58 csc`: the n8x0 were basically experimental platforms May 31 02:17:08 oddly i figured that May 31 02:17:09 they had whichever component was included from some other product May 31 02:17:14 roughly 'surplus stock' May 31 02:17:29 the only component that was custom was the screen May 31 02:17:47 which means that when the n800 was produced, there were a lot of nokia products w/ fm radios (n95?) May 31 02:17:54 im just curious, i havent toyed around with an n810, it just seems that an n800 would be more suitable for gps May 31 02:18:08 and when the n810 was produced, there were lots of products w/ gps (dunno which product, i didn't care at this point) May 31 02:18:23 Often the GPS comes free. May 31 02:18:55 For example - with the n900 - the bluetooth and the FM reciever are one chip May 31 02:19:09 they are? May 31 02:19:13 it'd be interesting to have google map's 'estimated gps' on the n800, but i doubt that'd work May 31 02:19:13 yes May 31 02:19:13 oh, 900 not 800 May 31 02:19:18 sorry, yes May 31 02:19:48 estimated GPS is probably cell-GPS - which uses the phone module to work out with the aid of the network where you are. May 31 02:19:53 SpeedEvil, any modifications possible to break the fm tuner's wavelength caps (n800) May 31 02:20:04 That is somewhat unreliable on the n800. May 31 02:20:10 hammer. May 31 02:20:13 csc`: there was something for japanese frequencies iirc May 31 02:20:15 'break' ? May 31 02:20:31 read the kernel source - see if it's in there May 31 02:20:42 SpeedEvil, yeah it is, but on the ipod touch, google pinpoints more accurate locations using wifi network data they collected with streetview May 31 02:20:54 more accurate than cell-gps, using predetermined data May 31 02:21:08 timeless_mbp: so basically, NIT platform failed? May 31 02:21:11 I wonder if they will be allowed to keep the data May 31 02:21:27 ive also heard its possible to install android on the n8x0 series? May 31 02:21:29 luke-jr: depends on the objective May 31 02:21:37 if the objective was to test technology May 31 02:21:45 csc`: why would you want Android on a non-phone? May 31 02:21:46 and to force our team to deliver products May 31 02:21:59 we tested technology (some failed: wimax) May 31 02:22:03 and we delivered products May 31 02:22:15 timeless_mbp: but not enough to keep with custom displays? May 31 02:22:24 hence the N900 being 100% surplus components May 31 02:22:32 luke-jr, some people do it just because they can May 31 02:22:42 i know someone who has a droid just to use wifi May 31 02:22:56 luke-jr: which device did we share the display w/ in the n900? May 31 02:23:12 timeless_mbp: no idea, but why get rid of the nice displays for a crap one otherwise? May 31 02:23:24 cost of course May 31 02:23:26 silly rabbit May 31 02:23:28 -.- May 31 02:23:50 a $600 that I won't buy is less profit than a $800 that I would buy May 31 02:23:52 <.< May 31 02:24:27 Only if there are a million people just like you May 31 02:24:41 2 600$ devices sold to 2 other people is more profit than selling one to you for 800$ and none to those other two May 31 02:25:18 actually, that assumes our profit is $1 per device in both cases May 31 02:25:25 which for all i know is correct :) May 31 02:25:38 i.e. i don't know, and your $800 device is hypothetical May 31 02:26:30 luke-jr: i don't generally agree w/ management May 31 02:26:37 but management does do a lot of bean counting May 31 02:26:44 and it's hard to argue w/ how they count their beans May 31 02:28:56 sigh May 31 02:30:36 random question, can more than one bluetooth device be used at the same time? ie a phone and keyboard May 31 02:33:08 YEs May 31 02:33:28 There are limits - bandwidth may not allow some combos **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 31 02:59:56 2010