**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 31 02:59:56 2010 May 31 03:14:35 Hello everyone :) May 31 03:15:20 ROR. May 31 03:15:26 that is lol in chinese May 31 03:16:08 Kek :) May 31 03:18:20 Am i correct in understanding that Modest supports the idle extension to IMAP, but this support is disabled in the stock n900 builds? May 31 03:20:00 omg May 31 03:20:14 a spider just crawled inside my keyboard May 31 03:27:32 Was it called google? May 31 03:28:35 no May 31 03:28:37 literally May 31 03:29:11 luke-jr, freaky May 31 03:29:52 you could call it google if you like.. May 31 03:31:59 I could, but then I might hesitate to slaughter it May 31 03:32:24 ................................. May 31 03:34:32 crap May 31 03:34:33 it got away May 31 03:37:17 nonsense. For all I know apple is using skyhookwireless.com, not the google wifi data collected either semi-illegally or totally "oops, we didn't plan to do that, was an accident" May 31 03:37:42 DocScrutinizer: how is it semi-illegal? May 31 03:38:10 I have concluded this particular spider is unlikely to be poisonous, and have allowed it to escape into my pile o' mess on my desk May 31 03:38:28 simple. Some german court says it's a breach of german data privacy laws, then it's illegal by definition May 31 03:38:36 only in Germany May 31 03:38:48 which is known to be extremely screwed up May 31 03:38:50 sure May 31 03:39:19 nah, if somewhere is totally screwed up, then that's USA May 31 03:39:29 USA is pretty screwed up, but Germany is far worse May 31 03:39:59 maybe the opposite direction, but yes May 31 03:40:13 Wandering around capturing all packets in a systematic organised way is quite dodgy by many definitions. May 31 03:40:18 Germany has mandatory brainwashing, persecution of those who dare question the Holocaust, and other such nonsense May 31 03:40:26 I don't think it's a huge reach to call that an invasion of privacy. May 31 03:40:44 omg. now it's getting silly May 31 03:40:55 SpeedEvil: if you're broadcasting to the public, don't complain if someone listens May 31 03:41:01 if you don't want it public, encrypt it May 31 03:41:43 http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp May 31 03:41:50 Fun german story May 31 03:42:22 (for the record, I neither claim to know nor care how many or what methods were used by the Nazis to kill people; but persecuting people because of their opinion on it seems ridiculous) May 31 03:42:25 if you're walking thru the night, don't complain all sorts of rape and robbery accur to you. If you don't like, get a gun May 31 03:42:37 DocScrutinizer: totally different May 31 03:43:04 this is like two guys shouting their plans for the day across the neighborhood with loudspeakers May 31 03:43:21 and complaining that someone driving by heard their plans May 31 03:43:27 luke-jr: not at all. sounds both like you're living in the USA May 31 03:43:56 it is May 31 03:44:40 my N810 happens to keep a record of every wifi packet it comes across, btw May 31 03:45:03 Hi, it will look like a stupid question but as I have no Nokia device, I don't know... Is it possible to do "double-click" with your fingers when using the N900? May 31 03:45:05 not because I care about what other people are doing, but because that's what kismet does May 31 03:45:12 fureddo: yes May 31 03:45:16 fureddo: hold-tap May 31 03:45:35 it's like you are recording everything with parabolic mics and 500 taperecorders, and then centrally process it. And YOU accuse germany about 3rd Reich? May 31 03:45:45 luke-jr, so it's not really a double-click but a holding-click, right? May 31 03:46:04 DocScrutinizer: everything broadcast to your vehicles May 31 03:46:09 fureddo: yeah May 31 03:46:50 luke-jr, Ok, thanks. On the scratchbox emulator, I guess it will be a double-click but will translate to a long click on the device. May 31 03:46:56 bah, I'm really not in the mood to discuss that now. Not worth it May 31 03:47:08 DocScrutinizer: privacy is secondary to avoiding brainwashing May 31 03:47:16 in any case May 31 03:47:39 which obviously in your case wasn't so successfull May 31 03:47:51 LOL May 31 03:50:27 luke-jr, the screen on the N900 is nicer than the one on the N810. May 31 03:50:42 GAN900: nonsense, it's way too small May 31 03:50:55 luke-jr, have you ever used one? May 31 03:51:02 and that's super-subjective May 31 03:51:34 * GAN900 wonders why his slide closes crooked. May 31 03:55:16 * DocScrutinizer51 says goodnight to big brother's little friend luke-jr and takes another nap. Feel happy with your homeland security and Millenium Copyright BS May 31 04:38:25 DocScrutinizer51: tell me, why should the law differentiate between filter(capture()); and capture(data); filter(data); ? May 31 04:48:08 luke-jr: because there's a huge difference May 31 05:00:33 luke-jr: tell me, where should I publish the NDA and PR contract you signed with google? Should I attach the video taken from your sleeping room by a camera that was inside that quadrocopter drone in plain .avi, or better upload to youtube? May 31 05:00:40 hello everyone. I've set up password-less login from my laptop to my n900 and it works great. However, no matter what I try to do, I cannot log into my laptop from my n900. Any ideas as to why I can't? a simple ssh usernameonlaptop@laptopsIP doesn't do anything May 31 05:14:04 do you have a ssh server running on your laptop? May 31 05:14:16 do you have a firewall running on your laptop? May 31 05:16:03 Proteous: nothing has been changed. I can get on there from a different computer to that laptop, but from the n900 i can't, ssh user@host -v doesn't give me much info either May 31 05:16:32 Proteous: firewall shouldn't be an issue. Nothing was changed. I just updated to PR 1.2 and now i can no longer log into my laptop via ssh May 31 05:16:35 can you ping the laptop from your n900? May 31 05:16:43 Proteous: yes i can May 31 05:17:37 meamo media player is it a front end for mplayer? May 31 05:19:20 Sambeezi, how about with password, does it work? May 31 05:19:29 Sambeezi: so what happens, does the host respond at all? May 31 05:20:42 I added a .jpg file inside an album folder but player doesn't display the jpg May 31 05:21:04 it automaticly detects tubgirl and won't display it May 31 05:21:13 it's for your own safty May 31 05:21:58 Sambeezi: try connecting with debug on. Like this ssh -vvv user@host May 31 05:24:24 DocScrutinizer: I'm anti-Google, fool May 31 05:24:36 asj: what difference? May 31 05:25:07 luke-jr: the same reason why CALEA doesn't work that way May 31 05:25:36 never heard of it May 31 05:25:41 luke-jr: good CALEA May 31 05:25:46 google May 31 05:25:53 why? I just said I'm anti-Google May 31 05:26:23 then use what ever search engine you like May 31 05:26:50 asj: anyhow, you answered a "why" question; I didn't ask a "why" question May 31 05:27:13 there's a difference between wiretapping and logging public broadcasts May 31 05:27:59 Surfa: Proteous petteri , cursed Verizon fios. changed my ip and me dumbhead didn't even check. changed port forwarding settings and it's all good now. I knew it was something crazy like that but just couldn't figure it out until i actually went and looked into my firewall settings again. duh! anyways, tahnks for the help. *embarrassed look* May 31 05:27:59 luke-jr: actually that depends on you expect to have a reasonable expectation of privacy May 31 05:28:28 glad you got it figured out May 31 05:28:30 asj: it is unreasonable to expect an unencrypted public broadcast to be private May 31 05:28:30 it happens May 31 05:29:06 which is why it's illegal to peer into open windows of strangers houses, while they didn't close the shades and might be publicly displaying the family jewels to the world you aren't allowed to record it May 31 05:29:38 asj: it's illegal to peer as well as record May 31 05:29:53 the equivalent here would be legal peering but illegal recording May 31 05:30:42 let me try rephrasing my objection May 31 05:31:14 why should Google be required to install filters on their embedded/mobile systems, when it is more cost-effective to have their bulky datacenter filter the data? May 31 05:31:46 in both cases, technology is filtering out the "private" data that was broadcast publicly May 31 05:32:05 I want to setup an open wifi connection and get anyone who connects to it arrested, MUHAHAHAHAAA May 31 05:32:36 Proteous: not just connects to it, but even receives your beacon! May 31 05:35:20 Proteous: no problem. come here to germany. You can have that here. Though otoh since ~1 week you're in danger to getm arrested as well, as it's been outlawed to have open wlan May 31 05:36:08 heh May 31 05:38:24 DocScrutinizer51, whats the punishment for the ignorant who leave theirs open? May 31 05:38:42 not clear yet May 31 05:38:51 they rip your toenails out with rusty pliers May 31 05:39:09 at least a fee of a few 100bucks to music industry May 31 05:39:30 heh May 31 05:39:54 those fines are the only thing keeping them afloat!! THEY NEED YOUR HELP, GIVE IF YOU CAN! May 31 05:50:32 Hehe, Eldar is starting another crusade, this time against Meego =) May 31 05:52:22 http://www.networkcomputing.de/kommunikation/mobile-wireless/artikel-82982.html (open wlan outlawed by supreme court) May 31 05:59:50 Germans. May 31 06:03:52 bah. USA it's even illegal to have a hex number printed on your t-shirt May 31 06:04:07 Really? URL? May 31 06:04:58 css key for DVD May 31 06:05:22 Ah, the CSS key... I guess it is illegal in Germany too, just has not been explicitly tried May 31 06:06:24 sure. USA knows to act like rambo everywhere on this globe May 31 06:07:54 That's separate though May 31 06:07:59 man wtf .. this is twice already that the Internet Connection dialog fails to load May 31 06:08:31 wtf(6) - translates acronyms for you May 31 06:08:39 ha May 31 06:09:10 I am mainly considering the chances of being found guilty of *something* when traveling to one destination or another. And Germany does not look good. May 31 06:09:29 .de laws suck May 31 06:10:05 i was i jail there for hearsay; no evidence for a year May 31 06:10:12 well, in germany you can handle almost everything with common sense.. which is not case in the us May 31 06:10:24 not in bayern evidentally May 31 06:10:29 hmhm, hs-48 nokia headset has crappy quality except when pressing on the button May 31 06:10:31 != sense of any kind May 31 06:10:32 doesn't make sense to mention them in same sentence May 31 06:10:34 which I guess is the mike button May 31 06:10:37 Surfa: Funny, I had the same thought, but in opposite direction =) May 31 06:10:56 RST38h, well, i've lived in germany and visited us multiple times May 31 06:10:57 ha no, answer/end button May 31 06:11:04 I should tape it May 31 06:11:16 Surfa: Especially that accident in Frankfurt airport... May 31 06:11:48 Surfa: Where they refused to print me a ticket on the basis that I had not shown them the ticket May 31 06:12:12 No way common sense can explain THAT May 31 06:12:20 in the us there's one benefit for travellers.. you need to be a total idiot not to find your way. 2m of each other there's someone asking where you are going and no matter what you say they still check your papers and push you to right direction May 31 06:12:59 * RST38h never had his papers checked in the US May 31 06:13:00 RST38h, well, idiots do live in each country May 31 06:13:38 Other than at the passport control in the airport, which is usually way meaner than any place else in the world May 31 06:14:17 my first landing to chicago was actually just like that, every person checked my bagtag to be sure where I was going, even that I told them it every time May 31 06:14:49 Surfa: Remember: security personnel are not "persons". They are security personnel. May 31 06:15:14 Surfa: Once you stop treating them as persons and start treating them as hostile robots, you will be ok May 31 06:15:21 suits me, but you know what I mean May 31 06:15:45 Actually, no, I have never had my bagtags checked in the US :) May 31 06:15:52 but that's only a benefit for a traveller as I said in the first place May 31 06:16:00 But I can tell a few rather fun stories about US customs May 31 06:16:01 Can i use userCSS in microB somehow? May 31 06:16:30 Like the guy who wanted to see what is on the custom NAND cartridge I was carrying May 31 06:17:19 He proudly told me his previous job was the detective at NYPD May 31 06:17:40 well, I've had some working equipment with me couple of times and it's always the same.. asking questions and nodding even that they don't have a clue what I'm talking about May 31 06:17:49 FIQ: allegedly yes May 31 06:18:01 * RST38h expressed polite hope that the guy would love his *current* job of a security drone at the airport. May 31 06:18:03 RST38h, did you happen to ask why it was previous? ;) May 31 06:18:37 moaning people :) May 31 06:18:41 Surfa: That would be hostile, and I am well able to smear people in shit without being outwardly hostile =) May 31 06:18:48 ehlo wazd May 31 06:18:55 RST38h: o/ May 31 06:19:31 oh rly, but i think that question would have been a good start for a great adventure of security checks at the airport :) May 31 06:19:38 hello. May 31 06:19:49 Shouldnt ditch people that are only doing their jobs May 31 06:19:55 Surfa: Not necessarily, although that is always a possibility May 31 06:20:11 zChris: Not "people". Hostile drones. See above. May 31 06:20:16 sigh May 31 06:20:27 Is the Nokia twitter widget part of Desktop Widgets under "Maemo Official Applications" ? May 31 06:20:37 zChris: They are not treating you as a person. If you treat them as people, you are in for a disappointment. May 31 06:21:18 Anyways, gotta go May 31 06:27:22 anyway in US you easlily get on a no-flight list for idiotic coincidences in one of the gvmt's databases, and you got no chance whatsoever to fix that. In germany we got quite a history of large databases built up by big brother, and that's just one of the reasons why it's a different thing when google stores uncrypted yet private data of a few million people than it is when my neighbour listens to my wlan May 31 06:28:19 omg May 31 06:28:21 frank.wagner is back May 31 06:29:48 ~seen MohammadAG May 31 06:29:50 mohammadag <~MohammadA@62.219.120.20> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7h 32m 52s ago, saying: 'think of a better excuse :P'. May 31 06:31:54 basically it's illegal to store any of your data without your explicit authorization to do so, here in germany. while un USA it's not even forbidden to sell your customers database to a 3rd party company, to spam you with whatever they like May 31 06:34:16 and google stored private data here the large way, and then took it to USA where they never will be revoked May 31 06:34:30 anyone using Twitter widget can confirm that the cpu usage bug appears only after a tweet has been posted from it? As I explained here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=691139&postcount=42 May 31 06:35:02 that's why I say google acts in a criminal way with their streetmap cars ad wlan scanning May 31 06:35:27 hmm, libqfacebook 0.1.1-4 seems to be empty for some reasons May 31 06:36:15 or is it meant to be like that... May 31 06:37:29 and someone had a typo: libqfacebook-dev: Depends: liqfacebook1 (= 0.1.1) but it is not installable May 31 06:40:13 ah, libqfacebook 0.1.1-2 is sane, non empty. May 31 06:52:01 I've got image is it a EMMC fiasco image or a new rootfs image? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware does not clarify the situation. May 31 06:53:06 what device are you trying to flash? May 31 06:53:14 vanilla is emmc May 31 06:53:26 oh diablo May 31 06:54:56 Stskeeps:N800 May 31 06:55:36 no interna mmc for n800 images May 31 06:55:40 so it's a rootfs image May 31 06:55:44 K0JIbKA, well, compare the version numbers to the other ones. The one with the highest version would be the newest, and thusly most likely the rootfs image. May 31 06:55:48 :) May 31 06:56:11 memory is overfilles and device gives error: malformed database schema - unable to open a temporary database file for storing temporary tables May 31 06:57:45 it's possible to and though without any reflashing. I'm in doubt May 31 06:58:57 It's N800 with OS 5.2008.43-7 May 31 07:00:03 I've flooded repositories from http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php May 31 07:00:13 oh. Guillermo is off the hobbit. May 31 07:00:17 :-( May 31 07:04:35 now it's giving this error: malformed database schema - unable to open a temporary database file for storing temporary tables May 31 07:05:06 K0JIbKA: just reflash the rootfs and you should be fine May 31 07:05:37 Stskeeps: I'm worried about /home/user and My May 31 07:05:37 morning May 31 07:05:45 Documents May 31 07:06:06 K0JIbKA: got sshd installed? May 31 07:06:11 or bootmenu May 31 07:07:48 Stskeeps: think not and there's no possible way to confirm it. Application manager is showing no apps at all May 31 07:08:28 So I've decided to reflash the whole set May 31 07:08:52 :nod: May 31 07:13:17 GAN900: so, gecko talks to maemo certman via a symlink May 31 07:13:26 if the symlink is lost or destroyed then we don't talk to it May 31 07:20:17 hi folks, will the skype client be updated to work with linux and mac clients May 31 07:20:21 who nees windows o.O May 31 07:20:36 jnone of my friends use windows May 31 07:20:50 ghostcube: works here. May 31 07:21:02 with all three of the, May 31 07:21:03 m May 31 07:21:05 video call to linux client works for you? May 31 07:21:13 ghostcube: you mean for video or what? with sound it's always been working (but with less network resiliency than the other clients though) May 31 07:21:15 their clients might need to be updated May 31 07:21:27 hmm, video... never tried... I don't WANT to see them May 31 07:21:28 nope video only works with windoof 4.6.x May 31 07:21:37 and this must be changed May 31 07:21:54 cause you wont see any client for mac or linux using the 4.6 base on mac or linux May 31 07:22:13 this is kind of stupid making an linux phone only calling windows boxes May 31 07:22:33 ghostcube: this sounds like aou have to wait, until THEY updated Linux and MacOS May 31 07:22:41 lols May 31 07:22:46 ok better joke this morning May 31 07:22:48 :) May 31 07:22:57 ghostcube: you could try jabber. May 31 07:22:58 or use jabber/gtalk, video for it works fine May 31 07:23:07 nope i wont use jabber or gtalk May 31 07:23:55 the funny part is my linux client works fine for all three client to call with video May 31 07:23:57 ghostcube: then you need to wait until skype brought an update for Linux and MacOS. May 31 07:24:14 this wont ever happen and why isnt maemo version not the linuxversion i use at ubuntu May 31 07:24:23 or debian or somewhere else May 31 07:24:38 ghostcube: why should this never happen? May 31 07:24:51 Treibholz: you following the dev sites on skypeso far? May 31 07:25:15 ghostcube: no, I try to avoid the useage of skype whenever I can. May 31 07:25:25 because skype is as evil as ICQ. May 31 07:25:28 so it wont happen that linux and mac are the same as windows May 31 07:25:34 skype works just fine May 31 07:25:42 so does jabber. May 31 07:25:43 icq is now russian so ok its evil :D May 31 07:25:49 irc forever May 31 07:25:51 ;) May 31 07:25:58 joga: video IRC? May 31 07:26:01 Treibholz: i dont care if someone uses jabber gtalk or whatever i want to use skype i need skype May 31 07:26:02 possible. May 31 07:26:09 so its not in any case possible to switch May 31 07:26:39 interesting if it only works to windows skype...has someone else tried it? May 31 07:26:52 its announced in an bug report May 31 07:26:55 its confirmed May 31 07:26:55 ghostcube: if there is no way to fix it, then you're lost. May 31 07:26:58 I still haven't tried the feature because I don't have any skype friends who could have video chats :) May 31 07:27:01 there must be May 31 07:27:05 linux version is fine May 31 07:27:11 ghostcube: yes, it's called jabber. May 31 07:27:27 I guess it'll be fixed then, eventually May 31 07:27:44 Treibholz: you can't switch to another if the people you need to contact are in skype May 31 07:27:51 Treibholz: next worse joke this morning means for me you ignored May 31 07:27:58 (and they either won't change, won't know how to, or don't care to) May 31 07:28:27 joga: well, if it doesn't work, and all alternatives are ignored, then you have to live with "it doesn't work". May 31 07:28:33 Treibholz: true. May 31 07:28:45 * timeless_mbp is confused May 31 07:28:47 I think such an issue will be fixed though May 31 07:28:47 what doesn't work? May 31 07:28:58 hmm ok if nokia coders to stupid to get an working skype client i need to get an other phone next time May 31 07:28:58 timeless_mbp: apparently video call with skype to a linux box May 31 07:29:12 heh if only skype was open .. May 31 07:29:20 ghostcube: why? it's working fine with windows. May 31 07:29:31 joga: did you try wine? May 31 07:29:35 does it not work? May 31 07:29:39 ghostcube: more important would be a useable mail-client. May 31 07:29:51 timeless_mbp: wine? why? no I haven't tried, ghostcube was complaining about it May 31 07:30:04 timeless_mbp: no it does not work May 31 07:30:08 joga: bah, then translate my suggestion to him May 31 07:30:09 ghostcube: and I'm pretty sure, the nokia-guys just use a skype.so. May 31 07:30:10 it just working with stupid windows boxes May 31 07:30:12 and it's "wrong" to use wine if there's a native client that should handle it May 31 07:30:29 joga: it's wrong to claim linux boxes can't do it May 31 07:30:35 wine runs on linux boxes May 31 07:30:43 timeless_mbp: no need for wine May 31 07:30:47 if you want to claim that skype's linux client doesn't work, fine May 31 07:30:50 linux native can do calls May 31 07:30:52 but don't claim the boxes are incapable May 31 07:30:58 maemo cant do to all client versions except windows May 31 07:31:01 timeless_mbp: The problem is, that skype has a bad linux/macOS-Client. May 31 07:31:20 Treibholz: you mean the problem is people aren't willing to use the better client May 31 07:31:27 ghostcube: is the linux client open source? May 31 07:31:29 timeless_mbp: I'm not claiming that, I know I can do everything with linux, even if it needs M-x butterfly, but apparently this one is because of the client in n900 May 31 07:31:38 if not, what the heck is wrong w/ using wine+closed-windows-client? May 31 07:31:40 bug 10312? May 31 07:31:41 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10312 Video calls with Skype does not work May 31 07:31:44 timeless_mbp: no, there is no better Client für Linux. May 31 07:31:51 timeless_mbp: no May 31 07:31:54 s/für/for/ May 31 07:31:55 and I have my doubts about using the windows client with wine and expecting proper sound and video May 31 07:32:03 joga: try it May 31 07:32:07 Treibholz meant: timeless_mbp: no, there is no better Client for Linux. May 31 07:32:08 you might be surprised May 31 07:32:11 timeless_mbp: stop May 31 07:32:17 you dont get the problem as it seems May 31 07:32:37 maemo client sux ... linux client works fine May 31 07:32:47 so there must be a reason for this May 31 07:32:53 the problem is, that the maemo-skype-client is to new for the old linux and macos-clients-. May 31 07:32:55 timeless_mbp: I can have video call between 2008 symbian phones using their skype clients. I cant video call them from n900 May 31 07:33:20 Treibholz: it is too new for anything != skype/win32 May 31 07:33:26 hrw: glad to see they screwed that bug up May 31 07:33:29 since c0 is clearly about windows May 31 07:33:42 timeless_mbp: this is *mine* bug report May 31 07:33:54 timeless_mbp: and c0 is about win32 and also fring/s60 May 31 07:34:16 GAN900: afaik the downloads number is counted from all 3 repos only for apps currently in extras (re: mwkn) May 31 07:34:22 maybe, this is just a codec-problem. May 31 07:34:44 hrw: i'd presume the older clients use a different codec May 31 07:35:10 i'm assuming this was a design choice by Skype May 31 07:35:18 timeless_mbp: nope ... May 31 07:35:26 the linux client works for calling all clients May 31 07:35:30 ghostcube: you work for Skype? May 31 07:35:30 maemo doesnt May 31 07:35:40 * frals facepalms May 31 07:35:44 nope i support ubuntu ... and skype is fine in linux version May 31 07:35:53 ... May 31 07:35:54 timeless_mbp: as a normal user I do not care about internals. I cant make video call to my friend n95 with fring May 31 07:35:58 ghostcube: maybe, the removed a codec. May 31 07:36:27 timeless_mbp: and I can video call him from any other skype client with video support May 31 07:36:35 hrw: full ack May 31 07:36:35 hrw: is fring a third party client? May 31 07:36:40 doesnt matter May 31 07:36:59 hrw: it sounds like you should file a bug against fring May 31 07:37:03 have you? May 31 07:37:12 hrw: i think we talking against oaks ... May 31 07:37:30 timeless_mbp: "To retrieve the MMS your active connection will need to be changed. Switch connection?" or "To retrieve the MMS your active connection will need to change. Switch connection?"? May 31 07:37:40 http://www.fring.com/support/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit&step=1&departmentid=1 May 31 07:37:55 timeless_mbp: ??? May 31 07:37:58 timeless_mbp: it is 3rdparty May 31 07:37:59 you still dont get it or? May 31 07:38:00 frals: the latter May 31 07:38:08 ghostcube: your English parser is broken May 31 07:38:12 please upgrade May 31 07:38:14 timeless_mbp: ty May 31 07:38:26 frals: i think you need a comma after 'MMS' May 31 07:38:33 but please find someone else to verify May 31 07:38:43 (that was my fault) May 31 07:38:47 timeless_mbp: my english is better as your german i think so May 31 07:38:52 we could test it May 31 07:39:04 ghostcube: there's a reason why we aren't speaking German here May 31 07:39:07 timeless_mbp: I do not use fring so will not report against it. May 31 07:39:17 hrw: so have your friend report it May 31 07:39:28 genau ... so dont blame me for an language i dont prefere May 31 07:39:31 or speak german May 31 07:39:42 ghostcube: i'm blaming you for not listening May 31 07:39:52 yeah same for you May 31 07:40:19 ghostcube: if Skype delivered a client which supports a certain codec May 31 07:40:26 then that was Skype's choice May 31 07:40:39 there's nothing wrong w/ Skype making that decision May 31 07:40:41 *if*? do you know this is the case? May 31 07:40:41 nokia does code the maemo client May 31 07:41:04 if a third party doesn't support that codec then that third party will need to upgrade its client May 31 07:41:21 if a skype client on linux desktop doesn't understand the skype client on n900 May 31 07:41:26 who is the third party? May 31 07:41:52 joga: fring here May 31 07:42:06 how did we end up with fring? what is it anyway May 31 07:42:17 joga: presumably it's Skype's job to update their linux client May 31 07:42:20 nm. googling May 31 07:42:27 joga: its pure shit and we werent talking about fring before timeless_mbp did it May 31 07:42:32 timeless_mbp: presumably, yes May 31 07:42:39 and given that they've shipped the n900 client w/ this codec, it shouldn't be too hard for them to do so May 31 07:42:47 but that's not Nokia's problem either May 31 07:43:12 NOKIA codes skype client and this damn client cant use any other native skype client than windows 4.6.x to do vid calls May 31 07:43:14 and this cant be May 31 07:43:21 thats just the fact and it wont go aaway May 31 07:43:23 ghostcube: no, it doesn't May 31 07:43:32 nokia does *not* write the skype client May 31 07:43:38 it's a code drop from *skype* May 31 07:43:53 and so what its recodet cause the normal linux client works May 31 07:43:59 I can see why it would only work with newer clients, as unfortunate as it is, but I guess eventually they'll be up-to-date May 31 07:44:09 joga++ May 31 07:45:39 * timeless_mbp ignores ghostcube because his comments are incomprehensible May 31 07:46:49 since i update to the latest firmware, my mail for exchange doesn't work any more , someone with the same problem ? May 31 07:46:50 timeless_mbp: i dont care May 31 07:47:42 jpe: have you tried using logging? May 31 07:47:51 finding someone with the "same problem" is unlikely to get you anywhere May 31 07:47:52 not yet May 31 07:48:08 if they *have* the same problem, they're not in a position to help you anyway May 31 07:48:11 jpe: works here. May 31 07:48:17 jpe: exchange 2007 May 31 07:48:17 getting a 'exchange server is not responding...' May 31 07:48:30 jpe: turn on logging... May 31 07:48:35 ok, May 31 07:48:49 hello May 31 07:49:29 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:B4lk-5Lx0a8J:wiki.maemo.org/Mail_For_Exchange_(MfE)_Heartbeat_and_FAQ+maemo+mfe+logging&hl=en&strip=1#How_can_I_turn_the_logging_ON_or_OFF.3F May 31 07:49:36 is wiki.maemo.org down? May 31 07:50:27 not for me May 31 07:50:35 timeless, Me neither. May 31 07:50:50 not down? hrm May 31 07:50:51 oh well May 31 07:53:20 btw. is there a cool todo-list-application somwhere for maemo? May 31 07:53:55 Treibholz: the calendar app? May 31 07:54:05 asj__: forget it.... May 31 07:54:23 timeless 17621 4.0 92.5 2487364 1610412 pts/1 R May17 812:01 /usr/bin/perl /data/mxr/genxref /data/meego.com/BUILD/ May 31 07:54:25 * timeless_mbp cries May 31 07:55:31 asj__: I need about 10 clicks to reach my todos... May 31 07:55:50 asj__: that's not what I would call 'cool' May 31 07:56:23 for now I use the dbian-binary of devtodo in the terminal. May 31 07:58:58 Hi All ! May 31 07:59:22 o/ Khertan_atWork May 31 08:04:15 Hum ... if i want to put a list of QPushButton in a QMainWindow finger scrollable ....what is the widget i should use ... May 31 08:05:06 so err, anyone know of a way to launch ovi maps with a map over a specific location? May 31 08:05:24 or any other of the maps apps for maemo? May 31 08:06:12 frals: How can I fix the 'MMS' AP as default thing again? May 31 08:06:37 /opt/fmms/fmms_config.py should do a switch between which one is picked as default, hopefully May 31 08:06:50 if you just run it, wont give you any output or anythign thou May 31 08:06:52 frals: It somehow hid my 'internet' ap. May 31 08:07:23 X-Fade: oh, err, thats weird May 31 08:07:43 frals: Yeah, internet is hidden and mms is default. May 31 08:08:05 frals: Happened this friday when I restored a backup on PR1.2 and restored apps after flash. May 31 08:08:12 * MohammadAG demotes frals May 31 08:08:31 X-Fade: bah, i want to blame backup app but i guess it really is my fault :P May 31 08:08:52 frals: Backup was made on PR1.2 too, so I don't know. May 31 08:09:15 X-Fade: gconftool-2 -R /apps/fmms, check what the apn = says, then do gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP and see if it contains internet or mms settings May 31 08:09:35 frals: But having MMS as default did ring a bell ;) May 31 08:09:43 * MohammadAG didn't have any problems May 31 08:09:44 yes :( May 31 08:09:51 bug #9500 May 31 08:09:51 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9500 internet connection settings aren't followed if 2 APs configured May 31 08:09:57 and I used the 1.2 backup app May 31 08:10:08 hmm, maybe its bug #9476 May 31 08:10:09 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9476 Only 1 APN connection is shown in 'Connect automatically' setting May 31 08:11:04 the mms AP was created with fapn on pr1.1 btw. May 31 08:11:13 X-Fade: the easiest way is to do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/ and then gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and reinstall fmms tbh May 31 08:11:21 So maybe the convert thing went wrong? May 31 08:11:56 ah, could be that it didnt set the "fmms is actually using this flag" like it should have, which would explain the confusion and hiding of the wrong apn May 31 08:12:27 if you reboot the phone before reinstalling fmms your 'internet' connection should be restored by some system component btw May 31 08:13:09 I will try that this evening. May 31 08:39:20 X-Fade: just ping me if theres any problems.. it usually works ;) May 31 08:40:08 Has anyone else got bug 10415 and likes to confirm? May 31 08:40:09 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10415 "My location" in chat status hangs and doesn't get updated May 31 08:41:08 frals: Yes, on my other phone it is ok. It just happened when I restored a backup onto another one ;) May 31 08:41:41 :) May 31 08:42:34 did you change sim between creating the backup and restoring it btw? May 31 08:43:19 frals: no. May 31 08:44:07 ok, most definitely fmms fault then ;) May 31 08:47:21 Shapeshifter: install sysklog May 31 08:49:26 timeless_mbp: wont it eat noticably more battery? May 31 08:49:43 timeless_mbp: and do I need to reboot after having it installed or something? May 31 08:49:53 probably, dunno May 31 08:51:44 timeless_mbp: output isn't very interesting. location-daemon[3864]: GLIB DEBUG default - :1.56 now having 1 connections, location-daemon[3864]: GLIB DEBUG default - Tracking ongoing, status: 1, npe_id: 15 yadda yadda May 31 08:52:48 * timeless_mbp shrugs May 31 08:53:04 the interesting side is the status thingy, right? May 31 08:53:16 try changing the precision now May 31 08:53:18 timeless_mbp: there's no output about it. only from location-daemon May 31 08:53:38 doesn't do anything in syslog. May 31 08:54:29 :( May 31 09:09:08 Was xterm changed in pr1.2? Just asking cause after getting root access by sudo gainroot it returns "enable RD mode to break your device". WTH? It wasn't like that before.. May 31 09:09:33 install rootsh again May 31 09:10:07 So to totally reset every setting in an N900 I need to reflash the whole thing including the eMMC card? May 31 09:10:25 I was borrowing one for a while and now I need to return it and I'd really like to know all my personal data is gone.. =) May 31 09:11:09 is this a package i can install through application manager in extras-test? : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/bc/1.06-20maemo1/ May 31 09:11:40 Stskeeps, Thanks! May 31 09:11:41 ok, i've enabled logging for my activesync, but i don't see any errors http://pastebin.mozilla.org/729821 May 31 09:16:49 defragger: Not on your device, as it is an i386 package. May 31 09:18:23 X-Fade: sorry i meant that: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bc/1.06-20maemo1/ May 31 09:19:27 defragger: You can only install that one with apt. May 31 09:21:46 ahh i see May 31 09:21:48 thanks :) May 31 09:21:55 Mh. A pity, python is kinda slow to launch. Probably because it needs to read from emmc. May 31 09:22:43 http://khertan.net/screenshots/khteditor_editor.png May 31 09:22:49 oups ... wrong window May 31 09:23:16 Shapeshifter: hum ... python isn't really slow to start May 31 09:23:34 just tips and trick to know ... avoid large import at startup May 31 09:24:03 do it after first ui displayed in idle May 31 09:30:00 Khertan_atWork: http://pastie.org/985391 May 31 09:30:38 Khertan_atWork: Needs almost a second to display "here". It's for a desktop command execution widget. I'm not complaining, the problem is obvious, but I need those imports. It's just not snappy ;) May 31 09:31:36 it needs about 0.1s to start python and 0.7 to import that stuff. May 31 09:33:19 does anybody knows how to use ^ in the maemo console? May 31 09:33:40 defragger: blue shifty thing, ctrl May 31 09:33:50 defragger: well, that's how you do it on the n900 May 31 09:34:01 defragger: i presume you mean in xterm? May 31 09:34:06 BCMM: yes May 31 09:34:29 yeah, it's the blue shifty thing, followed by ctrl (i.e. Sym) May 31 09:34:42 then it's 3rd from top, 3rd from left May 31 09:34:47 Hey, have there been an update to ovi store for N900? I can't see any new things there... It should have been updated the 27. may? May 31 09:34:55 and can somebody remind me of what teh blue shifty thing is called? May 31 09:35:02 Fn? May 31 09:35:07 that's the one, thanks May 31 09:35:17 only that it's actually alt-gr May 31 09:35:34 I was close May 31 09:35:45 well fn is practically correct. May 31 09:35:55 BCMM: it works, thanks :) May 31 09:35:58 is it actually an alt-gr? May 31 09:36:17 not technically, as fn on notebooks is usually hardwired by the manufacturer to give you more "hardware keys". on the n900, the blue arrow "fn" key is Alt-Gr May 31 09:36:34 is there a way to use alt in xterm on the n900? May 31 09:36:39 as in, alt-gr on your normal keyboard. they just painted a blue arrow on it. it doesn't give you more keys. May 31 09:36:42 defragger: esc May 31 09:36:53 Shapeshifter: yeah, i know it isn't the same as a laptop fn, but fn is what i've heard people call it before May 31 09:37:03 sure May 31 09:37:32 i was in the process of ssh'ing to a machine with xev installed May 31 09:39:25 that's weird, xev won't register any keystrokes May 31 09:39:31 it sees clicks though May 31 09:40:47 in fact in general remote X apps don't seem to see keystrokes May 31 09:41:21 does the keyboard send proper X keystrokes, or does it do something "clever" to make the prediction and so on work? May 31 09:42:44 there's a window flag you should set May 31 09:42:51 Stskeeps: ? May 31 09:43:22 oh, windows that want to use the keyboard in the normal fashion need to say so? May 31 09:59:03 hm, does anybody experience as well problems in some mails not being able to read äöü (account is from gmail - there the chars are displayed correctly) May 31 10:00:03 hmmm vert sms is cool app :) May 31 10:00:29 ghostcube: hm, I just checked, the newest windows skype client is 4.2 (on skype.com), you talked about 4.6 when it came to video calling? May 31 10:00:41 i have 5.0 beta here on windows May 31 10:00:54 must check moment pls May 31 10:01:33 sorry 4.2.x sorry my fault May 31 10:01:36 :) May 31 10:02:05 mikki-kun, its mostly the problem with the fonts, IMO install the fonts May 31 10:02:15 that should do the trick May 31 10:02:41 kakashi_: the problem is, it is only in specific mails, not all May 31 10:03:49 i noticed that in mails from boards where i register i have this problem... May 31 10:03:59 SwedeMike: https://developer.skype.com/WindowsSkype May 31 10:04:30 ghostcube: so 4.2 should be enough? May 31 10:04:43 yes May 31 10:05:02 hm, i forgot to mention the special chars are displayed with a ? May 31 10:05:13 the problem is that linux and mac clients arent able to recieve video from N900 May 31 10:05:27 you can enable the vid but none of them is able to see it May 31 10:05:38 ghostcube: same thing with older windows clients, I noticed. May 31 10:05:49 yep May 31 10:05:56 3.x cant handle it May 31 10:06:53 ghostcube: the problem was discussed in the thread... it is due to a change in the encoding of the video which is now h264 and not anymore vp7 May 31 10:07:14 mikki-kun: i read the post but why? May 31 10:07:31 so you take off all users with linux and mac from the vid calls? May 31 10:07:39 this cant be an solution May 31 10:07:44 mikki-kun, what is your locale settings? May 31 10:08:01 ghostcube: well, you just don't enable it for them, you don't take it off :P May 31 10:08:07 as far as i understood it h264 can be forwarded to the gpu, but vp6 is solely handled by the cpu May 31 10:08:29 SwedeMike: yeah but results in the same for now May 31 10:08:32 :) May 31 10:08:35 considering how hot my linux machine gets when I run skype video, I'd imagine it'd be hard for the n900 to do that at all. May 31 10:08:52 kakashi_: device language is englisch (USA) and region is germany May 31 10:08:58 SwedeMike: gets hot? May 31 10:08:59 it's using like half the performance of one core of my P8600 CPU in my thinkpad x200 May 31 10:09:01 mehhh, i mean english May 31 10:09:22 my e8400 doesnt take care if i do a normal vid call May 31 10:09:27 only in high res May 31 10:09:32 utf-8? May 31 10:09:44 hu? where can i "set" that? May 31 10:10:22 i have everything except laid out for german... my keyboard is german-qwertz and i can write äöüß... May 31 10:10:32 fire the terminal and set it May 31 10:10:50 I suspect the problem is mostly with the locale settings May 31 10:11:04 kakashi_: wanna gimme the command for setting utf8? May 31 10:11:39 i hadn't this issue until now anywhere except on my n900 May 31 10:12:45 locale May 31 10:12:50 check it May 31 10:13:15 export LC_ALL="xx_YY.UTF-8" May 31 10:13:19 locale May 31 10:13:22 check it again May 31 10:13:50 also, xx = your preferred language and YY = region May 31 10:14:02 Shapeshifter: yep ... but you didn't need this lib at the start ... right ? May 31 10:14:15 eg. export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" May 31 10:14:19 kakashi_: via sudo? May 31 10:14:25 yep May 31 10:14:52 does it remember it for every boot? May 31 10:15:29 not sure :) May 31 10:15:34 Khertan_atWork: I'd need it somwhere in the execution process, and always, so it doesn't matter where I import it. Desktop command execution widget waits for the script to exit anyway so it doesn't matter. May 31 10:15:59 Khertan_atWork: I'd love to just write a widget in python and Qt but the adaptor for homescreen widgets is not yet available to the pyside bindings May 31 10:16:04 (or pyqt for that matter) May 31 10:16:54 Shapeshifter: hum ... yep ... for desktop execution widget as it wait the script end ... May 31 10:17:21 maybe just launch a process which do the job and read the result in the script May 31 10:17:28 in a file for example May 31 10:17:40 Khertan_atWork: meh doesn't matter, really. May 31 10:17:45 :) May 31 10:18:12 looking forward to QMaemo5HomescreenAdaptor though May 31 10:19:19 lalala May 31 10:19:23 MohammadAG: There? May 31 10:19:44 no May 31 10:19:47 :) May 31 10:21:30 hum ... i cannot scroll my QScrollArea ... strange May 31 10:22:09 mikki-kun, did it help? May 31 10:23:03 zaheerm, ping May 31 10:23:33 kakashi_: hm, sadly no... and i am looking what could be just wrong May 31 10:23:46 if i look at the mail online it displays it correctly May 31 10:24:06 i even asked a friend to send me a mail full of äöüß and every single one of them displayed correctly May 31 10:24:09 on the same account May 31 10:24:30 so i really don't know any further May 31 10:25:06 mikki-kun, then there is a possibility that the mail has different fonts which is not in Maemo and it renders it wrongly May 31 10:25:38 Khertan_atWork: btw, do you have written a small py2deb->pypackager migration guide, yet? May 31 10:25:45 hm... gotta ask then which font the mailer uses... May 31 10:28:43 maybe that'll help then May 31 10:29:17 hi! May 31 10:29:43 hi May 31 10:31:05 Shapeshifter: not yet :) May 31 10:31:46 Shapeshifter: yep i should take the time to write it ! May 31 10:31:47 Khertan_atWork: well py2deb still works so I'm still using it ;) May 31 10:31:52 héhé May 31 10:32:07 it s mainly just to change the import py2deb by pypackager May 31 10:32:15 and some field that change May 31 10:32:15 :) May 31 10:32:23 s/field/property May 31 10:32:38 Khertan_atWork: what fields did change? May 31 10:33:10 hum ... the version number which is a property now ... May 31 10:33:16 and some minor things like that May 31 10:33:17 kakashi_: but thanks for the idea with the fonts :) May 31 10:33:36 np :) May 31 10:35:37 Shapeshifter: you can look directly in the source of pypackager as it s self packaged :) May 31 10:36:34 Shapeshifter: http://gitorious.org/pypackager/pypackager/blobs/master/pypackager.py May 31 10:36:47 Shapeshifter: take a look at the end May 31 10:36:49 Khertan_atWork: thanks May 31 10:39:58 Shapeshifter: the main differences between pypackager and py2deb is that py2deb build only source package May 31 10:40:11 while pypackager can build source, and binary May 31 10:41:58 Khertan_atWork: nice, that is useful for testing May 31 10:43:20 frals, ping May 31 10:43:34 TomaszD: pong May 31 10:44:02 Shapeshifter: this was the main purpose :) May 31 10:49:45 Oh, google maps works by default now May 31 10:49:55 (http://maps.google.com/maps/m) May 31 10:50:20 MohammadAG: microb? May 31 10:50:42 which is interesting May 31 10:51:34 I haven't fully grasped the nokia google [love hate] story yet - are they cool or are they fighting? It'd seem from the MeeGO shitz they are not enemies just yet anyway May 31 10:51:54 although obviously competitiors May 31 10:52:49 tybollt, yeah, it uses the location from the GPS automatically now May 31 10:52:54 I guess geolocation is built in May 31 10:53:01 ooh May 31 10:53:29 and with fine accuracy it pointed my exact location May 31 10:54:03 directions too May 31 10:54:30 hmm May 31 10:54:39 technically an espeak plugin could be made May 31 10:54:49 almost my exact location May 31 10:55:10 i'm indoors though May 31 10:55:22 visz: trioangulation May 31 10:55:40 oh, now it corrected it May 31 10:55:55 gps got a lock May 31 10:55:58 it uses coarse accuracy May 31 10:56:02 then fine accuracy May 31 10:56:42 uhm May 31 10:57:04 when I go there I just get a search field and can look for locations. there's no automatic or manual GPS location or anything May 31 10:57:43 which FW? May 31 10:57:57 it asks if you want to share location May 31 10:59:27 MohammadAG: well newest May 31 10:59:34 it didn't. :| May 31 11:00:32 i still dont understand why we cannot manually assist gps, as the celltower info does May 31 11:00:53 when i fire up gps i often know my location exactly May 31 11:01:22 Shapeshifter, http://i45.tinypic.com/2wmi0ef.jpg May 31 11:01:45 MohammadAG: doesn't happen here. May 31 11:02:01 Shapeshifter, even google doesn't want to know where you live May 31 11:02:01 MohammadAG: http://www.zefrank.com/frog/frog.html May 31 11:02:02 :) May 31 11:02:15 ^^ May 31 11:02:28 lol why me May 31 11:04:05 Would it make sense to require debug symbols for stuff in extras-testing? May 31 11:07:06 hi Shapeshifter :D May 31 11:07:47 ghostcube: Lo May 31 11:09:15 MohammadAG: another one to make your family go nuts: http://www.zefrank.com/snm/index.html May 31 11:15:31 crashanddie: dude, they can't become what they already are. :P May 31 11:16:03 If you have a therapist, I wonder how they'd react if you were to ask them, every time you saw them: "So, how long until you issue the certificate stating that I'm normal?" May 31 11:16:31 You need to check the certificate chain back to the root authority. May 31 11:17:23 crashanddie: :D May 31 11:17:29 Or maybe make an appointment for every wednesday, for the next 10 years May 31 11:17:49 SpeedEvil: sop essentially - I need to hve my therapist root me? May 31 11:17:58 And try to negotiate getting a meal during your meetings, argue other therapists can arrange for that. May 31 11:18:00 Only if you're into that. May 31 11:18:04 SpeedEvil: =D May 31 11:18:06 I think that's usually extra. May 31 11:19:06 Therapists really just repeat the last two words you said and turn it into a question. May 31 11:19:24 Really, you should mess with them and ask, after answering a question: "So, how'd I score?" May 31 11:19:30 crashanddie: a question? May 31 11:19:48 crashanddie: how does that make you feel? May 31 11:19:49 Treibholz: Riiight, gotcha, May 31 11:20:32 yes, it's just like eliza. May 31 11:20:56 Treibholz: Do you think that my aggressive and libidinal wishes are fused and that I continue to lack a sense of object constancy, or is this all the result of my attempts to master the traumatic experiences involving orality during my pre-oedipal years? May 31 11:21:12 * crashanddie goes to take his pills for the afternoon May 31 11:21:21 I once had a "talking therapist" Dr. Creative or something, it was part of my "SoundBlaster 2.0" May 31 11:21:36 lol May 31 11:21:39 crashanddie: brother - share! May 31 11:21:41 I think he was recycled into the Dr. Phil robot. May 31 11:21:51 crashanddie: I think it's because you want to sleep with your mother. May 31 11:22:04 Treibholz: I said pre-oedipal, you dophus May 31 11:22:23 crashanddie: :-) May 31 11:23:11 how to get keyboard state from python? May 31 11:23:25 ie is it "open" or not May 31 11:23:33 one thing that would really freak a therapist out is if you allowed this book to drop out of your jacket in the middle of a sentence: http://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Involvement-Therapists-Assessment-Subsequent/dp/1557982481 May 31 11:24:22 "Oh no, just some light reading for the bus" May 31 11:25:22 anyway, 'later May 31 11:25:30 is it planned to get vert sms into the normal sms app? May 31 11:26:05 pre-oedipal - you don't want to sleep with her yet? May 31 11:26:41 ghostcube: You could try opening a bug against the sms app for an enhancement - or brainstorm. May 31 11:27:07 hmmm would be cool if it switches to vertical on phone movement :) May 31 11:27:49 SpeedEvil: you tested the vert sms application? May 31 11:30:05 ghostcube: No. I assume it does what it says on the tin. May 31 11:30:22 :) yeah works fine has an own virtual keyboard May 31 11:30:31 I use SMS about 10* SMS than voice calls. May 31 11:30:48 But to put that into context - I have made one phone call. May 31 11:30:53 In 6 months. May 31 11:30:57 oh May 31 11:35:13 it s funny ... each time i connect my n900 to my pc at work via usb .... google chrome crash on windows May 31 11:35:14 hihi May 31 11:35:44 no ... this smell like a usb device scan May 31 11:35:59 odd May 31 11:36:12 yep May 31 11:36:36 Does chrome notmally do anything when you plug in mass storage devices? May 31 11:36:40 SpeedEvil: indeed ... i think they are scanning device May 31 11:36:52 SpeedEvil: nothing visible May 31 11:37:04 oki, so I just made a video call with a windows skype 4.2, so that seems to work ok May 31 11:37:30 SwedeMike: using frontcam yeah? May 31 11:37:46 frontcam is _lots_ better than it was May 31 11:37:52 tybollt: the one towards me when I'm looking at the display, yes. May 31 11:37:52 SwedeMike: is the picture quality good on the front cam yet? Pre 1.2 it was ... "grt" :) May 31 11:37:53 Which is nice May 31 11:38:01 tybollt: yes, it was quite ok. May 31 11:38:17 'quite' I don't like the sound of that :) May 31 11:38:25 SpeedEvil: goodie May 31 11:38:26 in mirror app the front camera is still quite bad May 31 11:38:45 tybollt: you have to try it yourself, I don't know your reference to what "good" is. May 31 11:38:52 =) May 31 11:39:08 I only did it for two minutes and at the office, so it's hard to say too much, and the display is quite small so hard to tell. May 31 11:39:15 I'd say it's like a cheap webcam May 31 11:39:30 so definitely not as good as my 100 EUR logitech 9000 webcam I have at home :P May 31 11:40:16 it's better than the webcam in my Netbook! May 31 11:40:33 tybollt: I think the picture is a lot better now, even though I've only seen it through 'mirror' prog which supposedly renders it like crap (very low-contrast, grayish) May 31 11:40:40 but less grainy for sure May 31 11:41:05 The chip is not a _terrible_ quality - it has a declared decentish spec May 31 11:41:12 not a great spec - but quite reasonable May 31 11:41:23 hmm. so is everyone here on a n900 then May 31 11:41:32 Not everyone. May 31 11:41:35 There are oddballs. May 31 11:41:39 * SpeedEvil looks at luke-jr. May 31 11:41:58 most ... but some n900 owner still use older device May 31 11:41:59 Well - that and I'm not actually on my n900 ATM May 31 11:42:02 whast the verdict May 31 11:42:13 awesome. May 31 11:42:15 ill be picking one up in the new few days hopefully :D once my sim arrives. May 31 11:42:30 My major regret after 6 months is that they have only included one stylus. May 31 11:42:31 tybollt: frontcam is good enough for skypecalls but not great :P May 31 11:42:31 depends of your use May 31 11:42:44 but ... clearly the best mobile device :) May 31 11:42:45 I would strongly recommend getting a pack of screen protectors, and a case. May 31 11:42:58 Also perhaps mobile insurance. May 31 11:43:10 But screen protectors are almost mandatory May 31 11:43:16 and i didn't recommand proporta screen protector May 31 11:43:24 screen protectors, bah i say! May 31 11:43:52 otoh the summer does tend to show the microscopic scratches i got on my screen when viewed in the correct angle May 31 11:43:58 I went out to the garden. May 31 11:44:03 With my n900 in my pocket May 31 11:44:05 tried a screen protector, failed installing it :) i just keep mine in a bag for my old htc May 31 11:44:14 I pu the seccatuers in the wrong pocket May 31 11:44:19 :D May 31 11:44:22 :D May 31 11:44:27 I bent up and down 200 times. May 31 11:44:36 The screen protector was _destroyed_ May 31 11:44:42 the screen was just fine. May 31 11:44:42 SpeedEvil: My sympathy and condolences - Sir. May 31 11:44:49 oooh May 31 11:44:52 wow that's nice :) May 31 11:44:55 yay for shielded magnetic hatch so it doesnt affect the magnetic kbd switch May 31 11:45:00 err, latch May 31 11:45:03 I got http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-ANTI-SCRATCH-Full-LCD-Screen-Protector-fr-Nokia-N900-/270514266205?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item3efbe8205d May 31 11:45:10 or similar - I'm not sure it's that seller May 31 11:45:12 works for me May 31 11:45:39 http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/ May 31 11:45:42 need translations! May 31 11:45:45 gogo etc May 31 11:46:00 I can translate into 4chan. May 31 11:46:03 I purchased a screen protector and tried to apply it but failed, so I roll without, and try to make sure I keep the phone safe (screen towards cloth only) May 31 11:46:18 It needs practice. May 31 11:46:20 * Khertan_atWork_ is fighting with a strange problem on widget didn't expand in his QScrollArea May 31 11:46:26 I bought a protector and got 4 of them May 31 11:46:32 hmm May 31 11:46:34 the third one succeeded May 31 11:46:36 :) May 31 11:46:38 plus the zagg protector i failed to apply felt rather weird with stylus May 31 11:46:42 so. is there only one sort of screen protector May 31 11:46:48 there's many May 31 11:46:53 tons May 31 11:46:57 it's just a cheap film, nothing fancy May 31 11:46:57 I have these; http://www.protectionfilms24.com/article/vikuiti-armr200-screen-protector-nokia-n900-27604.html May 31 11:47:05 * GAN900 doesn't know why Peter was stupid enough to post an expected date for the Ovi Store upgrade May 31 11:47:06 i should say, one main one. May 31 11:47:17 the one i failed to install was 15eur a pop so didnt feel like trying again May 31 11:47:39 GAN900: peter who? and yes that was rather silly seeing as it hasn't (right?) updated yet May 31 11:47:54 heh I think I paid like 5 eur or something and got 4 May 31 11:48:17 tybollt, Schneider May 31 11:48:19 jaska: yeah - I find the cheap ones are not enormously better than the good ones - which I manage to scrach anyway May 31 11:48:35 tybollt, head of MeeGo Devices marketing. May 31 11:48:59 SpeedEvil: I bought that 10pack now, we'll see if I succeed, otherwise I'll donate to a friend who also has an N900 :P May 31 11:49:00 frals: I don't want to create a account :\ May 31 11:49:17 an May 31 11:49:42 SwedeMike: Firstly, clean the n900 all-over with a moist washed t-shirt. May 31 11:49:53 _thouroughly_ May 31 11:50:10 then do the application in a dust free room - a bathroom can be good. May 31 11:50:31 Minor bubbles will dissapear over the next couple of days May 31 11:50:42 unless there is a blob of dust behind them May 31 11:50:46 i dont mean to open a can of worms May 31 11:50:53 don't do it in a bathroom where you also have a washing machine May 31 11:50:53 :P May 31 11:51:00 but if you had to weight up an android device and the tablet with phone features angle the n900 takes May 31 11:51:04 whatd you say. May 31 11:51:06 yeah, i managed to leave a dot of black stuff behind.. in the middle of the screen May 31 11:51:12 and reapplying was impossible :D May 31 11:52:27 SpeedEvil: my bathroom is definitely not dust free anyway :P May 31 11:52:46 Apply it underwater, that should help then. May 31 11:52:47 frals: where's translation for the button "New MMS"? May 31 11:52:51 (no, not really) May 31 11:53:10 Scelt: on device ;) May 31 11:53:20 ie nokia shipped it May 31 11:53:56 frals: okaydokay. Delete too? Open file? All those Reply, Forward, Reply (SMS), Copy (Text)? May 31 11:54:11 yeah, everything that isnt in the .pot file :) May 31 11:54:26 btw, I ordered one of thse: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260598606482&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT we'll see how good they are, I mainly needed the earbuds :P May 31 11:54:44 * mece is ota upgrading boss' N900 to pr1.2. May 31 11:54:54 I hopeIi don't fuck it up... May 31 11:55:13 mece: brick it brick it ! May 31 11:55:25 frals: it could be nice if we could see waht small, medium and large means. in pixels I mean. Selecting small instead of medium just be sure but don't know if small is 120 px and medium 500 px or 240px vs. 320px May 31 11:55:55 yeah i plan to add that at some point ;o May 31 11:56:13 better sooner than later May 31 11:56:32 the nokia default earbuds are meant for mutant ears May 31 11:56:57 only way to get them to stick is to ram till the ear channel bleeds :) May 31 11:57:03 in-ear headsets are braindead, too. May 31 11:57:26 your own voice just sounds too weird. May 31 11:57:32 thanks :( May 31 11:57:51 but for music they are ok. May 31 11:57:56 having to use my akgs which are much larger than the device itself feels silly :) May 31 11:58:24 frals: where's that 34 msgid "About %s". At least in the menu with Settings, it's translated already May 31 11:58:29 Milo-: ? May 31 11:58:41 Scelt: its in a new about dialog May 31 11:58:45 ok May 31 11:58:47 Scelt: "About fmms" May 31 11:59:13 frals: damn, that Copy (Text) isn't trnaslated properly May 31 11:59:18 Treibholz nothing, joke does not get better if you have to explain it May 31 11:59:39 frals: it says "Kopioi (Text)" when it should be "Kopioi (teksti)" May 31 11:59:40 Scelt: right, it might be due to me takign the 'copy' string and then just throwing a (text) at the end :P May 31 11:59:56 frals: damn you ;D May 31 12:01:18 frals: what does those polite, rude and havoc mean in practice? Is it the interval to check for n ew MMs or what`? May 31 12:01:57 Scelt: http://blog.frals.se/2010/05/19/fmms-1-0-3-now-in-extras/ 'Connection modes' section :) May 31 12:03:17 frals: thx May 31 12:04:26 frals: have to ask, after wondering many times: does your surname have two parts without a hyphen? :I May 31 12:04:45 no, "Leppänen" is toy boy name May 31 12:04:50 :-D May 31 12:05:07 kirma: yes May 31 12:05:35 that's odd May 31 12:05:44 no it is not May 31 12:05:52 not in .se ;) May 31 12:06:12 but good that the other surname is Finnish May 31 12:06:26 frals: somewhat surprising way of writing it, without a hyphen, from .fi perspective. :I May 31 12:06:35 Hum ... i ve a small problem with my widget in a QScrollArea ... they have a ridicoulous size ... and didn't expand ... any advice : http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/blobs/master/welcome_window.py May 31 12:06:39 ? May 31 12:07:20 kirma: well, finns are weird, not much i can do about that ;-) May 31 12:07:38 weird but cool May 31 12:07:46 frals++ May 31 12:07:58 Khertan_atWork, which bit has the size issue? May 31 12:08:16 well, at least it tends to be easier to say what names are the family name part. only exceptions I know tend to involve non-finnish prefixes May 31 12:08:35 frals: is it mandatory to create an account to translate it? May 31 12:08:55 mece: all the widget contain in the scrollarea May 31 12:09:02 mece: every things look like 1px :) May 31 12:09:03 Scelt: no idea how transifex works really, it was suggested on maemo.org somewhere so i signed up.. you can mail me the .po file to fmms@frals.se if you prefer that May 31 12:09:16 mece: in the setupMain May 31 12:09:20 mece: in the setupMain() May 31 12:09:27 frals: you're so good looking. but swedish men tend to be May 31 12:09:53 frals: i'm working w/ them May 31 12:09:59 if you're having problems, you can ping me :) May 31 12:10:04 had classmate with surname "van Gilse van der Pals" but otherwise, they tend to be at worst something like Isohookana-Asunmaa :I May 31 12:10:13 timeless_mbp: :D May 31 12:10:28 frals: i have my grubby fingers everywhere :) May 31 12:10:40 Anyone about? May 31 12:10:46 GAN900, Ping? May 31 12:10:55 Khertan_atWork, lemme take a look.. May 31 12:10:56 I think it's pretty ironic that a translation community site has only five translations for the site May 31 12:11:04 Any news on the brainstorm follow-up meeting? May 31 12:11:14 I'm still catching up with PR1.2 and MeeGo 1.0 email May 31 12:11:31 well, iks-Idnpn-Heikkil might be the longest I've heard May 31 12:11:46 mece: thx May 31 12:12:06 dneary: think people are agreeing on a date May 31 12:12:08 and time May 31 12:12:28 Stskeeps, When's it likely to be? May 31 12:13:01 early Tuesday or Wednesday morning (1200 UTC or so). May 31 12:13:05 according to niels' mail May 31 12:14:43 anybody know if there is an app that can measure hspda signal quality as a widget? May 31 12:14:52 kirma: Yxi-kaxi-virtaheppo! May 31 12:14:54 frals: can I translate it on the site or do I have to download it and upload again? Can't find a place to upload though :P May 31 12:15:10 yksi-kaksi-virtahepo it'd be :) May 31 12:15:13 Scelt: you can translate on the site May 31 12:15:15 if you register you should be able to just press "add translation" or something May 31 12:15:28 can't find the button May 31 12:15:49 http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/c/ui/ May 31 12:15:51 that page May 31 12:16:14 right "add translation" then you upload your local file May 31 12:16:27 "add a new translation" below the list of translations May 31 12:16:29 there's no add translation button May 31 12:16:34 there's not May 31 12:16:39 Scelt: are you logged in? May 31 12:16:41 sorry May 31 12:16:48 came from cache :( May 31 12:17:08 hm May 31 12:18:22 /usr/sbin/update-sudoers: line 45: /usr/sbin/visudo: No such file or directory May 31 12:18:28 any ideas? May 31 12:19:11 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ./visudo May 31 12:19:12 bash: ./visudo: No such file or directory May 31 12:19:12 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ls visudo May 31 12:19:12 visudo May 31 12:19:32 MohammadAG: ll visudo May 31 12:19:35 what are you doing?? May 31 12:19:37 ls -l visudo May 31 12:19:47 (to discover this is a symlink) May 31 12:19:48 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ls -l visudo May 31 12:19:48 -rwxr-xr-x 1 mohammad mohammad 56848 Apr 17 2009 visudo May 31 12:19:57 (no it isn't...) May 31 12:19:57 already checked that May 31 12:20:09 pupnik, reinstalling the SDK, I borked it May 31 12:20:26 head visudo ? May 31 12:20:47 nothing that's human readable May 31 12:21:51 i am stupid so i put my sdk on a usb-keychain and run it anywhere May 31 12:21:54 supsup May 31 12:21:56 frals: "Send and receive MMS on your N900." - where does that text come to? May 31 12:22:09 new about dialog as well May 31 12:22:21 description of the application in other words May 31 12:22:21 how much longer than that can it be? May 31 12:22:44 uh, quite a bit i think May 31 12:22:59 not 20 letters? May 31 12:23:09 Is 'picture messages' a better term than MMS? May 31 12:23:15 SpeedEvil: no May 31 12:23:23 * SpeedEvil is unsure how it's usually referred to in documentation May 31 12:23:29 phone documetnation May 31 12:23:30 those used to be in the same time than logos and mono ringtones May 31 12:23:32 SpeedEvil, depends May 31 12:23:33 people are aware of MMS May 31 12:23:42 I know my last phone called it picture messaging May 31 12:23:46 I suppose May 31 12:23:47 really? May 31 12:23:49 Scelt: 20 letters longer than that is a stretch i think May 31 12:23:50 does fmms support video? May 31 12:24:03 SpeedEvil: s/lastphone/freerunner/ ye? :P May 31 12:24:04 yes (:rolleyes:) May 31 12:24:13 frals: I make it smaller then May 31 12:24:14 Scelt: do you have an n900? May 31 12:24:33 frals: does fMMS run on Mer-x86? May 31 12:24:43 tybollt: no May 31 12:24:46 no clue May 31 12:24:51 timeless_mbp, are u is u? May 31 12:24:53 doubt it May 31 12:24:54 tybollt: well - last 'consumer phone. May 31 12:24:59 timeless_mbp: probably wont work unless wappushd is ported to mer May 31 12:25:06 timeless_mbp: no, I'm a freelancer translator using my old 5110 May 31 12:25:06 Also - I have a neo1973 May 31 12:25:09 Khertan_atWork, err damn, I need to actually get this running to figure it out, and the boss is calling me to a meeting, so I have to get back to you on that. May 31 12:25:20 blah May 31 12:25:37 * timeless_mbp eyes ZogG May 31 12:25:43 Khertan_atWork, but is the problem that it's too small or too big? May 31 12:25:56 frals: not trying to send stuff May 31 12:26:02 Stskeeps, u have jogger(or how is it called), do you? May 31 12:26:05 just wondering if you can give Scelt a running app in a vmware May 31 12:26:19 translating apps w/o being able to see them is a disaster May 31 12:26:20 replaced the script May 31 12:26:26 as nokia has proven time and again May 31 12:26:27 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /var/cache/apt/archives] > dpkg --configure sudoSetting up sudo (1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5) ... May 31 12:26:28 Updating sudoers May 31 12:26:28 haha May 31 12:26:28 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /var/cache/apt/archives] > May 31 12:26:35 timeless_mbp: assuming the millions of python-deps are there the gui should run, i assume May 31 12:26:38 ZogG_N900: right May 31 12:26:56 frals: i'd suggest you walk Scelt through setting it up May 31 12:27:01 it'll make your life better May 31 12:27:15 Stskeeps, is it like tablet or what is the difference? May 31 12:27:40 timeless_mbp: there's only like 10 rows. not a problem. That was the only question I had to ask. If there were 200 lines I wouldn't have started thuis May 31 12:28:30 ZogG_N900: it has to be plugged into wall plug, but yeah May 31 12:29:15 Stskeeps, from normal AC you mean and not battaries May 31 12:29:41 Scelt: it's a bad return on investment May 31 12:29:53 either frals needs to add localization comments (which he does) May 31 12:29:54 timeless_mbp: can't win always May 31 12:30:04 ZogG_N900: right May 31 12:30:08 or he needs to provide helpful steps for random localizers to setup an env May 31 12:30:44 timeless_mbp: it was sarcasm about the 5110. I do have the N900, wouldn't mind hanging here if I didn't. so I've seen most of the lines May 31 12:31:14 Stskeeps, great. i wanted to buy ipad when i would be rich and put in toilet for internet surfing. now i don't have too May 31 12:31:17 would be nice if transifex had an option to provide context for the strings May 31 12:31:25 Scelt: sorry May 31 12:31:29 frals: // in pot? May 31 12:31:40 hi, is there a way to disable usb-charging? May 31 12:31:42 Scelt: i'm used to people not using the product they translate May 31 12:31:56 heck, i think i still have a human visible string that says "XXX how did i get here?" May 31 12:31:56 Scelt: yeah probably works, but is it shown when doing an edit of existing strings in transifex webui? May 31 12:31:59 * ZogG_N900 can't see anything he types as there is too much sun outside May 31 12:32:01 timeless_mbp: no problemos. I bet you have May 31 12:32:11 frals: dunno :( May 31 12:32:50 hmm May 31 12:32:53 frals: is http://gitorious.org/fmms the project home page? May 31 12:32:55 ah, 6 months since my first deb package and i finally got it to do everything in a single command May 31 12:33:00 frals: idg.se work for you? May 31 12:33:21 timeless_mbp: err, thats the code page at least ;o May 31 12:33:24 tybollt: no May 31 12:33:24 frals: hazard word you're using about network mode :-D May 31 12:33:27 +s May 31 12:33:30 frals: is there a project page? May 31 12:33:31 frals: uhuh May 31 12:33:37 http://mms.frals.se/fmms.html ? May 31 12:33:47 timeless_mbp: not really, i got my blog, my placeholder and the garagesite May 31 12:33:56 yeah, that be the project page i guess May 31 12:35:43 tybollt: doesn't work for me either. May 31 12:36:44 yub May 31 12:36:51 seems idg/m3 etc are fucked :) May 31 12:37:02 bet their IIS server went tits up May 31 12:37:03 hahaha May 31 12:38:37 frals: https://www.ohloh.net/p/fmms May 31 12:39:57 timeless_mbp: ty May 31 12:40:50 frals: i should get you to commit my string changes as me ;-) May 31 12:42:22 ohnoes.net/p/fmms? May 31 12:42:23 ;) May 31 12:43:21 > The domain ohnoes.net is for sale. May 31 12:43:28 * timeless_mbp sighs May 31 12:43:42 i have some code which writes 'EEP!' whenever it gets something it doesn't like May 31 12:43:48 i always read ohloh as ohlol May 31 12:43:57 * timeless_mbp flipped to a screen session and the entire screen was full of EEP! May 31 12:44:10 hello, how i can customize n900 menu.. i mean move icons to different order ? May 31 12:45:02 Lazy^: Press and hold an icon. May 31 12:45:02 Lazy^, tap and hold any icon May 31 12:45:37 hi, is there a way to disable usb-charging? It sucks my netbook battery while using it as a modem May 31 12:46:04 not cleanu May 31 12:46:07 cleanly May 31 12:46:17 ufa: 'stop bme' in a root shell will work May 31 12:46:25 The phone will not charge with bme stopped though May 31 12:46:27 frals: added May 31 12:46:32 'start bme' after to restart it May 31 12:46:37 Scelt: thanks :) May 31 12:46:51 you could add 'sudo stop bme' in a 'queen beecon' widget May 31 12:46:57 (same with start) May 31 12:47:01 frals: np May 31 12:48:04 SpeedEvil, but it wont kill my connection? May 31 12:49:22 queen bacon widget? May 31 12:54:05 tybollt: A capital idea! May 31 12:54:13 ufa: bme only manages the battery May 31 12:54:20 ufa: killing it stops it charging May 31 12:54:21 mece: sorry ... boss call me too for a meeting May 31 12:54:36 ufa: Also - stops it reporting battery state - so you will run out of battery quite fast. May 31 12:54:54 ufa: you can easily run down the battery in a little more than a couple of hours use as a modem May 31 12:55:07 err May 31 12:55:08 hey, look at that May 31 12:55:10 SpeedEvil I know, thx for the info May 31 12:55:14 mece: a setWidgetResizable on the QScrollArea fix the problem ! May 31 12:55:17 PR1.2 lost my data connection again May 31 12:55:25 stops reporting battery state - so you won't know when you are running out May 31 12:55:26 actually, my n900 is on its way to nokia repair center :( May 31 12:55:29 A bug, a bug! That's a bug! May 31 12:55:40 * SpeedEvil passes GAN900 a template. May 31 12:55:46 usb pulled out May 31 12:55:59 GAN900: use a flyspray ! May 31 12:56:29 ufa: That is an alternative way of saving laptop battery. May 31 12:56:43 ufa: Also - in principle, you can bluetooth tether too. May 31 12:57:20 SpeedEvil Can I make it in a native way? Or an app is needed? May 31 12:57:43 SpeedEvil, lol, that makes me want to take printed bugzilla template forms to a conference sometime. May 31 12:57:57 You can install 'rootsh' - and then open an xterm, and type 'stop bme' May 31 12:58:19 ufa: queen beecon is a general purpose widget that runs arbitrary commands. May 31 12:58:27 arbitrary user-specified commands that is. May 31 12:58:32 Otherwise it'd be silly. May 31 12:58:35 SpeedEvil I mean, on bluetooth tether May 31 12:58:40 oh May 31 12:58:45 I don't know, I've not tried May 31 12:58:52 you can save a lot of power by taking out the battery :) May 31 12:58:54 ok, thx anyway May 31 12:59:15 pairing the N900 to Windows7 didn't work for me May 31 12:59:24 it wouldn't find/install the modem May 31 13:00:08 then looking in the repo's there were pkgs about it May 31 13:00:47 tybollt: so.. May 31 13:00:52 about bt tether, not sure if it fixes that May 31 13:00:54 nokia has issues providing useful drivers May 31 13:00:54 though May 31 13:01:07 but you can install enough stuff so that the n900 mostly works w/ wVista or w7 May 31 13:01:16 even though it at least in wVista constantly whines May 31 13:01:20 timeless_mbp: Not placing blame - just saying "didn't work for me" May 31 13:01:32 tybollt: which didn't work? May 31 13:01:37 * Khertan_atWork 's n900 use his Win7 internet connection via usb May 31 13:01:44 fact is - right now I haz cookie - so I don't care who is guilty of what ;-P May 31 13:01:47 my experiences on n900 and win7 in general are positive.. seems to work for me like a charm May 31 13:01:53 i'm saying that my actually n900 (the real one) is semi paired to a wVista machine May 31 13:02:03 each time it comes in range, windows whines about not having good drivers for it May 31 13:02:15 but it still works for bluetooth file transfer, and pc suite syncing May 31 13:02:16 timeless_mbp++ May 31 13:02:36 timeless_mbp: can you - however - just do a regular "*#90#" from it? May 31 13:02:42 w/out pc suite May 31 13:04:15 andre__, ping? May 31 13:04:18 i don't think that n900 has upgraded to 1.2 yet May 31 13:04:30 * timeless_mbp doesn't know what *#90# is May 31 13:07:32 andre__, ping timeout. If I file a dupe, I'm blaming your inability to respond within 3 minutes to an IRC ping on a holiday! May 31 13:07:53 heh May 31 13:09:05 Whichever UI designer (manager?) put together the new vkb should be shot. May 31 13:09:13 Talk about usability regressions. . . . May 31 13:09:49 GAN900: oh you still believe there is a designer in the team ? huhu May 31 13:10:14 Khertan_atWork, I'm ever the optimist. :P May 31 13:10:15 people in this community ought to pay more respect to GAN May 31 13:10:34 tybollt, but then my ego would get bigger than it already is. May 31 13:10:45 and you guys wouldn't fit in the channel. :P May 31 13:10:52 GAN900: i'm prefer to be optimist and think that the designers place was replace by some developpers :) May 31 13:13:32 vkb is for what? May 31 13:14:10 /var/lib/dpkg/info/shared-mime-info.postinst: line 10: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: No such file or directory May 31 13:14:13 :/ May 31 13:14:36 MohammadAG: Makes it nice and fast ;) May 31 13:16:22 GAN900: thanks for the mentions in mwkn :) May 31 13:16:34 GAN900: Error: not a valid argument. holiday only in US today :-P May 31 13:16:41 X-Fade, :| May 31 13:17:03 MohammadAG: I've seen that before in build logs btw. May 31 13:17:17 andre__: in UK too May 31 13:17:20 X-Fade, any ideas what the problem was? May 31 13:17:23 this is on the SDK btw May 31 13:17:29 GAN900: err, i thought 1.2 had qt4.6 May 31 13:17:31 /kick tybollt "Sorry we need MOAR room for GAN!" May 31 13:17:36 MohammadAG: It is not fatal, is it? May 31 13:17:52 so when are all the new cool apps based on 1.2 going to come out? I thought there was a huge backpressure? :P May 31 13:18:59 X-Fade, not at all :) http://pastebin.com/RsQHMi6V May 31 13:19:09 timeless_mbp, it does. May 31 13:19:57 andre__, know of a bug for losing the data connection after a few days of migrating back and forth between data and wifi? May 31 13:19:58 > Fortunately, though, if the next update doesn't bring as many substantial platform-level changes (Qt 4.6, optification of bundled libraries, etc) May 31 13:20:06 GAN900: reading that requires way too much brainpower May 31 13:20:34 * MohammadAG nukes his /dev/sda7 (scratchbox) partition May 31 13:20:38 timeless_mbp, ah, sorry May 31 13:20:48 timeless_mbp, was my "vent the spleen" issue. :P May 31 13:20:52 can you make it easier on my taxed mind? May 31 13:20:57 GAN900: This is not the "losing data connection when connected to wifi" one, right? May 31 13:20:59 GAN900, not by heart. there's a few similar ones though May 31 13:21:23 What with Twitter ensuring I had to do all of the story collection myself and Jaffa being on vacation. May 31 13:21:44 andre__, this morning was the second time ICD has lost my data connection. May 31 13:22:03 i.e., on battery all night on wifi at home May 31 13:22:13 what is a password for 'user' user? May 31 13:22:16 leave the house and see it hasn't migrated May 31 13:22:56 Open the connection selection dialog and see no data connection May 31 13:23:07 hrw: doesnt seem to have one May 31 13:23:09 have you seen kde's plasma on n900? May 31 13:23:24 ZogG: ? May 31 13:23:25 user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh May 31 13:23:48 ZogG: explain? May 31 13:23:52 GAN900: oh May 31 13:24:00 my network definitely gets stuck leaving my Apt or Nokia May 31 13:24:05 and has been for months May 31 13:24:13 i've sorta poked fun at it w/ sp3000 but otherwise ignored it May 31 13:24:28 I have lots of issues w/ that May 31 13:24:42 but i can open networks and eventually pick a sane network May 31 13:24:44 tybollt i'll show you May 31 13:24:49 most irritating one being a sudden drop of connectvity when being on wifi for a prolonged time May 31 13:24:58 timeless_mbp: same here May 31 13:25:00 uf.. mumble via ssh with x forwarding May 31 13:25:08 tybollt, www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jVJE_Nb9Y May 31 13:25:11 meh May 31 13:25:15 no flash here :S May 31 13:25:21 Stskeeps, www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jVJE_Nb9Y May 31 13:26:16 kinda sluggish May 31 13:27:26 jo May 31 13:28:23 ZogG: what UI is this? May 31 13:28:31 ZogG: how'd you go about installing it? May 31 13:28:37 tybollt so how does it look like? May 31 13:28:58 cool =) May 31 13:29:00 I want to try it :) May 31 13:29:20 tybollt it's KDE plasma May 31 13:29:27 i don't know how to get it =( May 31 13:29:37 for whatever reason getting stuck on a network that's no longer nearby doesn't really happen to me May 31 13:29:51 maybe I know more friendly networks ;) May 31 13:29:52 this guy seriously annoys me http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54679 May 31 13:29:55 heh May 31 13:30:45 tybollt as wel there is post and video with KDE plasma desktop widgets on n900 that looks good May 31 13:30:50 look* May 31 13:31:06 MohammadAG bomb him May 31 13:31:24 tybollt, MohammadAG dot.kde.org/2009/10/12/free-n900 May 31 13:31:40 MohammadAG, have you seen video i sent before? May 31 13:31:50 MohammadAG: come now, if you can deal w/ trolls here (hello!) then why can't you deal w/ a troll on TMO? :) May 31 13:32:05 tybollt, cause other trolls back him up there May 31 13:32:15 on #maemo otoh, it's free-for-all May 31 13:32:17 MohammadAG: ouch May 31 13:32:55 MohammadAG check the videoooooo May 31 13:33:05 and get me the wait to install it May 31 13:34:11 tybollt, labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/02/28/tokamak-4-the-kde-plasma-meeting/ May 31 13:35:39 ZogG: "Watch the planet for a blog from Marijn on how to get plasma running on the N900!" May 31 13:36:29 <[XeN]> what is plasma? May 31 13:36:43 * Khertan_atWork see plasma on his netbook 1.6Ghz atom with 1Go of ram ... kinda slow ... May 31 13:36:56 * Khertan_atWork cannot imagine it running on an n900 smoothly May 31 13:37:08 yeah May 31 13:37:15 plasma is bloat for sure May 31 13:37:26 (I'm still using KDE3 :) May 31 13:37:47 [XeN]: a couch on a other couch based on a framework that is base on a framework which load an other framework to display widget May 31 13:38:01 <[XeN]> mhk May 31 13:38:06 :) May 31 13:38:34 tybollt i don't like KDe but it looks nice on phone May 31 13:38:35 a tentative to do a lightweight desktop May 31 13:38:53 [XeN] it's WM for KDE4 afaik May 31 13:39:13 tybollt anyway i found only post how to port plasma widgets May 31 13:39:15 ZogG: your mean on a 160x160 phone ... when you cannot see the details with a zoom out of 1000% ? :) May 31 13:39:28 Khertan_atWork plasma MOBILE May 31 13:39:37 where MOBIE is the key word May 31 13:39:42 ZogG: yep of course just kidding May 31 13:39:47 Khertan_atWork www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jVJE_Nb9Y May 31 13:40:12 ZogG: take a look a qt ... i was always thought that is too heavy for mobile use ... but the result is here May 31 13:40:42 ZogG: my own source code editor with same feature is faster in qt than in gtk May 31 13:40:43 :) May 31 13:40:53 Khertan_atWork QT was never heavy, the problem that on desktop almost all QT is KDE, that is heavy May 31 13:41:21 Is http://maemo.org/packages delayed? As in, my package build -2 is already in extras-devel while the package view still shows -1 May 31 13:41:24 hi pupnik May 31 13:41:44 Shapeshifter: just a few ... but many bugs still here May 31 13:42:07 wait a bit and ping x f a d e :) May 31 13:42:19 No, just wait half an hour ;) May 31 13:42:27 ^^ May 31 13:42:51 X-Fade: :) May 31 13:43:09 X-Fade: i was trying to not disturbing you by using space in your nick :) May 31 13:43:37 Separate monitor for all chat windows, so reading along anyway. May 31 13:43:50 same here :) May 31 13:44:13 in case you missed it - mp3 playback using 7-8 percent cpu at 250mhz : alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol' May 31 13:44:21 * Shapeshifter might promote his package to testing today. May 31 13:44:28 only use with headphones - can damage speakers May 31 13:45:10 Shapeshifter, which one May 31 13:45:14 pupnik: ? May 31 13:45:18 X-Fade is AI May 31 13:45:45 MohammadAG: alarmed May 31 13:46:00 though I first need to read the wiki and QA stuff May 31 13:46:05 Shapeshifter, I have a suggestion May 31 13:46:13 Shapeshifter, fmtx_client -p1; sudo fm-boost; while true; do mplayer /usr/share/sounds/ui-clock_alarm_default.aac; sleep 5; done, you figure out what it does :) May 31 13:46:23 Khertan_atWork: can you rephrase that? May 31 13:46:24 oh and change the 5 May 31 13:46:48 pupnik: ?? May 31 13:47:12 t lets me play my lectures for many hours with low battery drain May 31 13:47:15 MohammadAG: you mean it should enable fm and play a ringing sound? As in, people leave their radio on all night just for this? May 31 13:47:24 mp3 playback using 7-8 percent cpu at 250mhz : alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol' <<< why does it can damage your speaker ... i didn't understand what it does May 31 13:47:54 because pulseaudio is bypassed, along with the speaker protection equalizer May 31 13:48:06 ah ... oki :) thx May 31 13:48:15 tybollt, i would try to contact the guy later May 31 13:48:49 nice May 31 13:48:53 zaheerm, ping.... May 31 13:48:53 Shapeshifter, actually, there are alarm clocks with FM May 31 13:49:03 when the alarm rings it switches on the radio May 31 13:49:39 MohammadAG: how does that work. May 31 13:49:49 MohammadAG: I mean, how does the clock know that it was your signal May 31 13:49:54 and not just radio from outside May 31 13:50:28 MohammadAG: I only know those normal ones where you just set the time and it turns on the radio. but that's kinda redundant May 31 13:56:40 Shapeshifter, it doesn't, you set both alarms before you go to bed :) May 31 13:56:51 although a big 7.1 Bass might be better May 31 14:08:53 Good day all May 31 14:09:23 http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/nytprof6/var-www-html-mxr-test-genxref-line.html#1273 May 31 14:09:30 hrm, custom kernel booting on the Milestone, wonder if we can pull off running Maemo on it :P May 31 14:09:41 sp3000: any idea why i'm being accused of spending time for DB_* in that box? May 31 14:09:53 I... don't know what that is May 31 14:10:01 * timeless_mbp guesses it's part of how the while loop is being handled May 31 14:10:14 it's NYTime's profiler May 31 14:10:32 of genxref calling DB_File May 31 14:11:38 Will there be some transparency effects on the N900? May 31 14:11:42 ah right May 31 14:11:50 yeah it looks a bit curious I guess May 31 14:12:05 i'm guessing it's just because it can't quite blame a line backwards May 31 14:12:13 so it uses the last available line May 31 14:13:39 ah, hm, it only blames the while for three May 31 14:13:54 there are only 3 files being merged May 31 14:14:09 dbm, nsprpub, security May 31 14:15:31 basically the while is being blamed for entry criteria May 31 14:15:43 and the last line in the block is being blamed for looping May 31 14:16:14 i'm using an out of date version of nytprof because i messed up trying to do a cpan-user install May 31 14:19:07 another game ported :D May 31 14:23:48 whatmwhat smoku ? May 31 14:27:09 Can someone PLEASE help me with this? http://pastebin.com/AxP9mQQW May 31 14:27:19 Scratchbox is a pita... May 31 14:27:42 is asking for getent May 31 14:27:52 wtf is that ? May 31 14:28:04 something that should probably be there.. May 31 14:28:08 usermod too May 31 14:28:14 maybe you are missing coreutils May 31 14:28:21 -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless timeless 14635008 May 31 16:06 xref May 31 14:28:26 -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless timeless 19927040 May 31 04:25 xref May 31 14:28:29 * timeless_mbp sighs May 31 14:29:15 usermod is in passwd packages May 31 14:29:17 ( at debian ) May 31 14:29:58 sp3000: so... May 31 14:30:48 getent is part of libc6 May 31 14:31:04 it seems like i'm losing some records May 31 14:31:36 wohoo, There was an error creating the child process for this terminal May 31 14:32:19 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm May 31 14:32:37 pupnik: Globulation 2 :) May 31 14:33:37 oo i heard that is a good one May 31 14:34:14 i am very happy with the work you guys did for n900 games May 31 14:34:27 way better than the 770 situation May 31 14:36:18 N900 can handle moar May 31 14:36:33 you folks using 'autodisconnect' app? May 31 14:36:51 is it possible to define profile for browser? i set some settings for browser in about:config but when i close ir and open agin my setting lost.it's great if it can suuport profile May 31 14:38:08 ~seen javispedro May 31 14:38:09 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 13h 38m 54s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. May 31 14:38:22 wut? May 31 14:39:28 I'm developing qt project with QJson and I want to port it to Maemo 5(I'm using QtSimulator...still waiting for my n900). There is qjson package for maemo, but how should I point it in .pro file? May 31 14:39:41 it's obvious I can't use my /usr/include/qjson path May 31 14:39:42 or introduce e browser that it support socks May 31 14:40:44 we have more people doing good work now too smoku May 31 14:41:52 mintux: kinda May 31 14:42:00 the browser engine can be asked to do things May 31 14:42:12 but the browser ui specifically asks it to do stupid things per requirements May 31 14:42:20 that includes screwing with your socks pref May 31 14:42:35 if you get your own browser ui and tell it to talk to the browser daemon and specify your own profile May 31 14:42:43 the browser daemon won't do anything screwy May 31 14:43:04 does microb support profile? like firefox May 31 14:43:08 yes May 31 14:43:11 but again May 31 14:43:20 the browser UI is what's asking the daemon to do stupid things May 31 14:43:25 kinda package does not found May 31 14:43:26 could you try *reading* what i wrote? May 31 14:43:50 do you surf with javascript disabled timeless_mbp ? May 31 14:43:58 pupnik: not usually May 31 14:44:02 nokia-maps and the tutorial are both browser clients May 31 14:44:07 each has its own profile May 31 14:44:09 w/ its own settings May 31 14:44:25 please note that microb is the *engine*, it is not the ui May 31 14:44:26 ovi map on n900 is a brwoser-ui? May 31 14:44:29 yes May 31 14:44:34 oh my god May 31 14:44:38 would be kinda neat to bind a key combo to activate javascript on a page May 31 14:44:43 what is the command of web browser i don't find microb and firefox May 31 14:44:47 woglinde: the problems are actually in the way they wrote their browser plugin May 31 14:44:56 mintux: PAY ATTENTION May 31 14:44:58 PAY ATTENTION May 31 14:45:00 PAY ATTENTION May 31 14:45:05 microb is an *engine* May 31 14:45:07 it is *not* a ui May 31 14:45:13 timeless_mbp: btw, how'd you fancy <- actually takes you one page back and not into a history menu? May 31 14:45:15 there are 3 ui's in the n900 May 31 14:45:24 /usr/bin/browser is running here May 31 14:45:26 tablet-browser, nokia-maps-ui, tutorial May 31 14:45:32 none of them *are* microb May 31 14:45:36 they are all microb *clients* May 31 14:45:41 cool May 31 14:45:42 each of them has their own profile May 31 14:45:54 but *none* of them give you a ui to specify your own profile May 31 14:45:54 hmm May 31 14:45:55 tybollt: it does May 31 14:46:00 mintux: IS THAT CLEAR? May 31 14:46:10 lbt: How do you _like_ it May 31 14:46:18 mmmmm :D May 31 14:46:19 tybollt: actually, back goes back is annoying May 31 14:46:27 timeless_mbp: nooooo! May 31 14:46:28 because out of the box we generally aren't cache friendly May 31 14:46:37 which means i tend to lose data and yell May 31 14:46:37 yes May 31 14:46:43 sure May 31 14:46:48 back is "you didn't really want to do that" May 31 14:46:50 that's something that could improve May 31 14:46:50 is safer May 31 14:46:53 and safe is good May 31 14:46:55 :( May 31 14:46:58 no May 31 14:46:59 timeless its a plugin for microb? May 31 14:47:06 how braindead is this May 31 14:47:12 timeless_mbp: I profoundly do not agree May 31 14:47:16 woglinde: maps is a ui that's a client to the browser daemon May 31 14:47:21 which also provides a plugin May 31 14:47:28 which it then uses to do all of its work May 31 14:47:36 well, almost all of its work May 31 14:47:39 but hey, cheer up May 31 14:47:45 i prefer the back button yielding overview May 31 14:47:47 i dont find tablet-browser and kinda package May 31 14:47:48 we're hoping to do that for other apps for harmattan! :) May 31 14:47:55 actually, i messed up the count May 31 14:48:02 oh no May 31 14:48:05 there's a 4th microb client in the n900 May 31 14:48:07 midori and chroume doesn't support network proxy May 31 14:48:10 which is the conversations app May 31 14:48:17 mintux: install Fennec May 31 14:48:29 mintux: but please, PAY ATTENTION May 31 14:48:30 ok May 31 14:48:33 and PLEASE ANSWER ME May 31 14:48:38 ? May 31 14:48:38 because you still haven't indicated if you UNDERSTOOD May 31 14:48:46 and I directed a question to YOU May 31 14:48:56 because you were repeatedly asking stupid questions and ignoring my answers May 31 14:49:01 which is incredibly rude May 31 14:49:02 hmm May 31 14:49:13 now go back and read, and come back to me with answers May 31 14:49:17 * tybollt hides under a table... May 31 14:49:18 ok May 31 14:49:27 hey... was wondering if anyone have been playing with pygame.music.play() ? I'm trying to use it but it only plays like the first second of audiofiles.. :/ May 31 14:49:37 in pidgin i have two lines of chat in n900 May 31 14:49:37 ffs! My PC doesn't detect the ethernet cable anymore May 31 14:49:51 MohammadAG: ugh? May 31 14:49:59 on the BIOS level May 31 14:50:04 huh? May 31 14:50:09 umm May 31 14:50:10 MohammadAG: try changing the cable :) May 31 14:50:12 MohammadAG: do you get a linkled? May 31 14:50:21 timeless_mbp, it works on another device May 31 14:50:28 is that 1000 or 100? May 31 14:50:35 tybollt, neither on the router or the PC May 31 14:50:39 1000 May 31 14:50:49 ok May 31 14:50:53 cable works on the ps3 May 31 14:51:00 well May 31 14:51:07 loaded failsafe bios settings May 31 14:51:20 and the LAN LEDs are still off May 31 14:51:29 The following packages have unmet dependencies: May 31 14:51:29 libsdl-ttf2.0-dev: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (= 2.0.9-1osso0+0m5) but it is not installable May 31 14:51:31 WTF? May 31 14:51:42 MohammadAG: same cable used to work fine in same hardware? May 31 14:51:45 lol May 31 14:51:52 tybollt, yes, 5 minutes ago May 31 14:52:01 MohammadAG: :S May 31 14:52:04 then i rebooted and couldn't connect to the server May 31 14:52:12 check if you broke a pin on either PHY May 31 14:52:14 MohammadAG: see… rebooting is bad May 31 14:52:25 yes May 31 14:52:37 have uptime for YEARS instead - so _everyone_ can root you May 31 14:52:40 timeless_mbp, you play on two different teams eh? May 31 14:52:51 :P May 31 14:53:09 do ethernet ports even break May 31 14:53:15 sure they do May 31 14:53:20 MohammadAG: my server box is locked in a basement May 31 14:53:22 i can't get to it May 31 14:53:26 it doesn't really reboot May 31 14:53:26 when they're less than 4 months old? May 31 14:53:34 well, maybe 6 May 31 14:53:39 MohammadAG: pull ccable out of the device May 31 14:53:43 timeless_mbp, i can haz ssh IP? May 31 14:53:47 tybollt, i did that May 31 14:53:49 MohammadAG: check if any of the pins inside it is bent May 31 14:53:57 they should all be neatly aligned May 31 14:54:00 the device? May 31 14:54:11 * SpeedEvil boggles. May 31 14:54:16 /home/opt 2064208 1864384 94968 95% /opt May 31 14:54:55 MohammadAG: ssh://swift May 31 14:55:06 that works from my n900 sometimes :) May 31 14:55:45 so I did some more tests with skype video calling, it uses 100% cpu all the time, and it draws so much power that according to battery graph, the battery isn't being charged when I have the charger in while at the same time doing the video call May 31 14:56:01 SwedeMike: sounds about right May 31 14:56:02 SwedeMike: sounds plausible May 31 14:56:06 also, the camera is a bit less light sensitive than the built-in one in my thinkpad x200 May 31 14:56:09 SwedeMike: is this connected to the wall charger? May 31 14:56:17 SpeedEvil: yes, the one that came with the phone. May 31 14:56:17 we've had bugs where people complain that Flash drains the batter while charging May 31 14:56:17 timeless_mbp, k, i'm in May 31 14:56:26 we looked at the reporters and shook our heads May 31 14:56:38 it is *not* a software bug when the hardware is such that you can drain more power than it can charge May 31 14:56:46 timeless_mbp: undrestood. but i could not install fennec i got E: Handler silently failed May 31 14:56:59 mintux: how did you try to install fennec/ May 31 14:57:07 timeless_mbp: it is ! ... the software should shutdown the device while charging ! May 31 14:57:08 timeless: But there are quality bug reporters! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 - look at the last. May 31 14:57:09 Bug 5337: Ovi Maps gives up finding GPS lock too soon May 31 14:57:10 the job of software is to do whatever the user asks May 31 14:57:22 err #147 even May 31 14:58:42 SpeedEvil: gah, that bug is long May 31 14:58:45 yes May 31 14:58:47 * timeless_mbp is @c18 May 31 14:59:00 tybollt, looks a-ok to me http://i49.tinypic.com/vni0rt.jpg May 31 14:59:00 ...and full of flames. May 31 14:59:09 I have experienced the same thing while doing media playing... May 31 14:59:11 And not much light May 31 14:59:15 don't you just love it when the N900 cam does wonderful macros May 31 14:59:27 SwedeMike: media playing should definately charge May 31 14:59:37 SwedeMike: slowly May 31 14:59:52 timeless_mbp apt-get May 31 15:00:27 oh May 31 15:00:41 media playing from onboard storage. May 31 15:00:46 mintux: from what repository? May 31 15:00:49 playing from 3g - perhaps not May 31 15:01:11 mintux: in case it wasn't absolutely clear, you're *way* past trying my patience May 31 15:01:19 i do not generally yell May 31 15:01:29 i have devel and testing May 31 15:02:07 need pygame.mixer.music.play() help anyone? May 31 15:02:29 SpeedEvil: well, this wasnt with a wall charger but with a battery powered emergency charger May 31 15:02:42 in app manager i could not found it May 31 15:03:20 SwedeMike: Ah. May 31 15:03:30 SwedeMike: Then you need stronger batteries. May 31 15:03:50 SwedeMike: Also - perhaps you need to ensure it can provide >500mA - and also has D+ and D- shorted May 31 15:03:53 SpeedEvil: yeah, I wish they had a stronger model, I think the N900 is really nice to have on airplane, less bulky than the laptop May 31 15:04:26 im installing opera May 31 15:06:33 SpeedEvil: i'm so glad i don't get comments for that bug May 31 15:06:50 i wrote a very detailed explanation for how you can't possibly get a fix in 2 minutes May 31 15:06:56 and a guy asks me if i'm kidding May 31 15:07:12 umm - perhaps with this hardware. May 31 15:07:30 There are GPSs out there that will do a truly cold fix with no assist in a bit over a minute May 31 15:07:57 SpeedEvil: see comment 61 May 31 15:09:44 Yes - and that's wrong. You can get a position using only the ephemirides - which are broadcast on a 30 min cycle, not 12.5 min May 31 15:09:49 30s cycle May 31 15:10:36 * SpeedEvil checks he's not making this up. May 31 15:10:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_first_fix May 31 15:10:51 offers a way to listen to more satellites at once May 31 15:11:04 which is something i was going to mention, but wanted to verify before repeating May 31 15:11:05 Yes. May 31 15:11:12 I know how these things work. May 31 15:11:13 but that requires more hardware May 31 15:11:19 I have a partially coded software GPS. May 31 15:11:24 at least, that's my understanding May 31 15:11:57 but in general, the average device does suffer from time_to_first_fix May 31 15:11:57 There exist designs with massively parallel correlators that essentially output data immediately without any required scanning of the frequency ranges. May 31 15:13:14 http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/orig/Baby.turtle.1.05_31_2010.jpg woah detail, did the pr1.2 improve the camera? May 31 15:13:59 aw, cute May 31 15:14:02 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=163 - coldstart 50s http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8975 - 36s May 31 15:14:39 (this is for open sky conditions, ttff is pretty much inherently much, much slower if your reception is dodgy) May 31 15:14:50 SpeedEvil: btw, i'm glad to see that the reporter by comment 74 recognized that the device works May 31 15:15:38 I've occasionally seen it take >20 mins to lock under open-sky. May 31 15:15:43 That was just once though. May 31 15:15:46 heh May 31 15:16:00 pronto: shot with an n900? May 31 15:16:01 well, would you pay an extra 60USD for a faster gps fix? May 31 15:16:02 What I find much more annoying is the times that camera will block while waiting for GPS May 31 15:16:06 BCMM: yes May 31 15:16:13 SpeedEvil uahahaa May 31 15:16:17 timeless: it's maybe another $1 or $2 May 31 15:16:34 Block - and not let you take pictures May 31 15:16:41 pronto: hmm, i've never shot a photo that stands up to 100% zoom May 31 15:16:59 can i use usb networking to share the N900's wifi to my PC? May 31 15:16:59 i used macro mode May 31 15:17:04 and focused on the turtle May 31 15:17:10 Macro mode is basically cheating May 31 15:17:18 pronto: yeah, i can see that only the turtle is in *perfect* focus May 31 15:17:23 the resolution is a fair bit higher in macro mode May 31 15:17:25 MohammadAG should do May 31 15:17:28 effective resolution May 31 15:17:44 i'll look at some of my pre-1.2 macro shots and see if they have perfect areas May 31 15:17:47 MohammadAG with iptables May 31 15:18:10 Also - zoom in closely - and you see that it's not that great May 31 15:18:17 it happens the shell masks some of teh defects May 31 15:18:18 woglinde, I have USB networking set up but iirc that shares my pc connection to the N900 May 31 15:18:20 BCMM: some of my pre pr1.2 looked good May 31 15:18:35 SpeedEvil: it is just a phone with a shitty lense May 31 15:18:35 Look at some of the dust May 31 15:18:38 lol May 31 15:18:40 MohammadAG whats your problem? May 31 15:18:40 pronto: indeed May 31 15:18:46 like for a phone, holy hell May 31 15:18:57 woglinde, my ethernet port broke down and I can't find my wifi adapter May 31 15:19:02 For a non-camera-focused phone - it's very good May 31 15:19:15 if this phone had a real lense on it May 31 15:19:16 MohammadAG with iptables on the n900 you could tethering the connection May 31 15:19:18 it would be amazing May 31 15:19:25 SpeedEvil: oh, you're right about the shell May 31 15:20:17 the lens is good by phone standards - a lot of phones still have things that are basically similar to a laptop webcam May 31 15:20:59 pronto: any advice on how to persuade it to focus on the correct thing when in macro mode? May 31 15:21:13 pronto: i've always had to take a few tries to persuade it not to choose the background May 31 15:21:50 take your time , sligtly press the button to focus it, and if it dont focus how you want it to, move the phone further or closer to your target May 31 15:22:30 and good lighting is a key factor May 31 15:22:49 though that shot was outside , and i didnt use the flash May 31 15:25:15 is there a wikipage where all those funny release number extensions a la "203.1" are explained? May 31 15:26:35 BCMM: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.520-1/ May 31 15:26:43 pronto: May 31 15:26:47 ? May 31 15:26:51 SpeedEvil: is that manual focus? May 31 15:26:55 yes May 31 15:26:56 (that would be awesome) May 31 15:27:18 does that work the normal camera app? May 31 15:27:24 yes May 31 15:27:30 most camereas have that , pressing the buton slightly May 31 15:27:35 to try and focus May 31 15:27:35 open stock camera app May 31 15:27:44 press proximity sensor May 31 15:27:51 focus dialog pops up May 31 15:27:52 pronto: yeah, i know about the half-press May 31 15:27:58 (and you can turn the lights on and off) May 31 15:27:59 comments 115 / 116 do not at all surprise me :) May 31 15:28:02 does it also fix exposure on half-press? May 31 15:28:11 think so May 31 15:28:40 proximity sensor? May 31 15:29:38 bottom right corner of the screen May 31 15:29:53 bottom right goes to the photos you've taken May 31 15:30:07 * timeless_mbp chuckles May 31 15:30:09 outside the screen May 31 15:30:20 SpeedEvil: so basically the problem was that power saving trumped functionlaity May 31 15:30:21 yay! May 31 15:30:25 power saving ftw May 31 15:30:33 O_o May 31 15:30:47 timeless: I'm not sure there isn't an underlying problem May 31 15:30:54 but it's comparatively rare May 31 15:31:11 not sure where the proximity sensor is May 31 15:31:24 (04:29:38 PM) SpeedEvil: bottom right corner of the screen May 31 15:31:29 > "Because 10 minutes was agreed on after 3 days of internal mail discussions" May 31 15:31:31 hello May 31 15:31:37 SpeedEvil: well May 31 15:31:50 there definitely was a design to turn off gps 30s after the screen blanks to save power May 31 15:32:01 It should probably look at the sat strengths. May 31 15:32:04 and there was a design to turn off screen after 30s of inactivity by default, also to save power May 31 15:32:19 which means that on average you're not going to last anywhere near 15mins May 31 15:32:19 From the sat strengths, it's quite easy to tell if the GPS is likely to ever lock May 31 15:32:34 is it an icon on the camera app? May 31 15:32:59 * timeless_mbp sighs May 31 15:33:02 pronto: no - when you install the livefocus app - it is outside the screen area - to the bottom right of the screen. May 31 15:33:03 comment 147 is depressing May 31 15:33:12 yes May 31 15:33:38 ...that would be why, i didnt install a 'livefocus' app May 31 15:33:54 thank you nokia for the satellite display May 31 15:35:19 wait May 31 15:35:25 the mail app supports portrait mode? May 31 15:35:34 no May 31 15:35:52 wow May 31 15:35:54 it does May 31 15:35:58 o.o May 31 15:36:18 (via a backdoor, ctrl-shift-r instead of ctrl-shift-o, so much for backdoor consistency) May 31 15:36:34 umm May 31 15:36:41 that's a debug feature May 31 15:36:50 it works globally on hildon-desktop May 31 15:37:07 = all apps May 31 15:37:15 MohammadAG: it works nowhere for me May 31 15:37:27 Shapeshifter, it hates you too May 31 15:37:35 apesha: aren't you still on pr1.1.1? May 31 15:38:29 http://twitter.com/zodttd May 31 15:38:51 looks like we're going to get HW acceleration for psx4all quite soon now May 31 15:38:56 :D May 31 15:49:36 nax3000 wrong twitter feed? May 31 15:52:57 * timeless_mbp sigh May 31 15:53:12 GAN900: would you call me a cheater if i filed bugs about easter eggs in modest? May 31 15:53:40 the details window content area is about 6 pixels tall in portrait mode May 31 15:54:12 file it May 31 15:54:59 how can i make an audio beep in terminal? May 31 15:55:07 "bell" May 31 15:55:19 used to be ctrl-g back in 1988 May 31 15:55:27 nope, that's the right one May 31 15:55:59 it's zodtt's, he's the creator of psx4all May 31 15:56:04 why does Maemo can't find included libs from .pro file? May 31 15:56:08 LIBS += -lqjson for example May 31 15:56:28 Bah. That new Qt SDK is pants. May 31 15:56:37 the libqjson.so file is in the same directory as the whole source and still can't load it May 31 15:56:41 apparently he's going to send the code for the gpu May 31 15:57:00 You gotta fall back to Scratchbox if you want to use external libraries, since madde doesn't support that. May 31 15:57:42 So... Nice thought. Kinda like communism. May 31 15:58:00 hah May 31 15:58:20 eh May 31 15:58:21 wtf May 31 15:58:28 It's still beta though. They better come up with a solution. May 31 15:58:30 my XTerminal just switched to portrait mode May 31 15:58:49 that's handy May 31 16:01:09 nax3000: where did you get the idea of hardware acceleration? May 31 16:01:35 sup smoku May 31 16:01:37 and how was the alien abduction? May 31 16:01:50 http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100531-185919.png May 31 16:01:55 isn't that why zod's going to contact you? May 31 16:02:09 I mean, why would you need him otherwise? May 31 16:02:25 timeless_mbp: nice, how did you do that :D May 31 16:02:30 whoah, portrait terminal May 31 16:02:39 Wizzup: i was trying portrait mail May 31 16:02:45 and went to my xterminal.. May 31 16:02:47 LOL May 31 16:02:48 and well.. err May 31 16:04:21 timeless_mbp: yeah, i tried that May 31 16:04:29 timeless_mbp: just difficult to type May 31 16:05:04 shift-ctrl-r does not work for me :/ May 31 16:05:12 got 1.2? May 31 16:05:31 xrandr -o left May 31 16:05:31 sure May 31 16:05:33 smoku: you have to close the keyboard and hold the phone in portrait afterwards May 31 16:05:42 people tend to forget those bits May 31 16:05:49 aw. right May 31 16:06:02 there is portrait mail? May 31 16:06:13 "enabling portrait doesn't turn my phone into portrait, i'm holding it in landscape, why doesn't it look funny!" May 31 16:06:15 bcmm yes easteregg May 31 16:06:22 BCMM: yes. there's an easter egg for it May 31 16:06:25 i really wouldn't recommend it May 31 16:06:30 why? May 31 16:06:35 there are missing strings and dialogs don't go where they need to May 31 16:06:42 BCMM: presumably someone's working on it May 31 16:06:48 and they wanted to show that they were working on it May 31 16:06:55 would you prefer people to *not* work on stuff? May 31 16:06:59 like the browser was before 1.2 May 31 16:06:59 users are really funny May 31 16:07:03 right May 31 16:07:11 i didn't say i'd rather they didn't work on stuff... May 31 16:07:39 sorry, i misinterpreted your 'why' May 31 16:07:45 timeless_mbp: why are you so hostile? May 31 16:07:46 oh May 31 16:07:50 in between saunas and the pub.. a little work May 31 16:07:56 i was asking why you wouldn't recommend it May 31 16:08:07 is not mature maybe May 31 16:08:22 i think it's quite nice May 31 16:08:24 hmm May 31 16:08:28 BCMM: and i happened to answer that right after i said i wouldn't recommend it... May 31 16:08:53 i presumed you were responding to my first line, not line 2/3 May 31 16:09:11 i like reading stuff in fairly narrow columns (LaTeX has it right) May 31 16:09:19 * timeless_mbp shrugs May 31 16:09:28 the mail client doesn't work so well in portrait atm May 31 16:09:34 i wish other people's email clients wouldn't put in line breaks May 31 16:09:35 some messages wrap reasonably well May 31 16:09:36 i wish other people's email clients wouldn't put in line breaks May 31 16:09:39 and some don't wrap at all May 31 16:09:51 smoku: so did I get the wrong impression about why you need zodttd's help with psx4all? May 31 16:09:54 yeah, format=flowed May 31 16:10:01 is it not for the HW plugin? May 31 16:10:05 tbh, email clients need a button to ignore single linebreaks May 31 16:10:29 sp3000: ooh, i think my account expired May 31 16:10:36 time for a password reset! May 31 16:10:50 oh no, it's just the 1 week warning :) May 31 16:11:08 thanks for that, i actually really like the portrait-mode email May 31 16:11:26 only obvious oddity is buttons sizing oddly May 31 16:11:29 not a huge deal May 31 16:12:42 it's pretty much what i have on my desktop - folders, message list, and message contents in three columns. only difference is how many i can see at the same time :) May 31 16:13:40 timeless_mbp: fud? May 31 16:13:44 sp3000: yes May 31 16:13:46 chicos? May 31 16:13:48 nax3000: yes. I think you got the wrong impression. May 31 16:13:52 sure May 31 16:13:56 now? May 31 16:14:13 * timeless_mbp wanders to turn off the BBC May 31 16:14:17 I'm thinking of scrolling down a long page three times, so a few mins May 31 16:14:19 Is there an imagemagick port for N900? May 31 16:14:25 ok May 31 16:14:30 with the nokia sdk beta i can only use c++ , i can't use python or something ? May 31 16:14:48 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: libqjson.so.0.7.1: No such file or directory May 31 16:14:48 … which is busy talking about Turkey + Israel, Turkey + Rebels, Russia + whatever May 31 16:15:01 smoku: oh. so may I ask what's going to happen after zod contacts you? May 31 16:15:03 the file is in path and only madde's qmake doesn't found it May 31 16:15:11 where is the sense? May 31 16:15:31 timeless_mbp: Turkey + Israel? last time i turned on BBC it was nearly everybody + israel May 31 16:15:44 BCMM: today it's Turkey + Israel May 31 16:15:59 nax3000: I will port newer version of psx4all to fremantle, once I get the sources. May 31 16:16:01 and after they stop talking about Turkey+Israel, they talk about Turkey killing its own citizens May 31 16:16:04 it's kinda amusing May 31 16:16:20 smoku: oh, I see. Sorry for being a nag heh May 31 16:16:21 * RST38bis sighs: looks like PR1.2 has broken the Phone application May 31 16:16:28 if i didn't think the BBC was anti israel, i'd think someone there has a sense of humor May 31 16:16:35 RST38bis: you're too negative, what's wrong now? May 31 16:16:36 This is getting beyond sad straight into comical May 31 16:16:42 xchat would be great in portrait May 31 16:16:51 my only problem w/ the phone is that sometimes SIP calls keep ringing after connecting May 31 16:16:52 hi rst May 31 16:16:53 If the keyboard would actually swivel. May 31 16:17:00 timeless_mbp: the bbc is anti-israel? May 31 16:17:04 timeless: Set Phone app to portrait mode, lock the phone, ask someone to call you, watch it glitch May 31 16:17:16 BBC was always anti-israel May 31 16:17:16 * RST38bis thought it was just him, but apparently no May 31 16:17:21 hrm, portrait phone, ick May 31 16:17:25 phone works fine here, for skype and cellular May 31 16:17:33 RST38bis: i'll try that at dinner w/ sp3000 May 31 16:17:39 Yes, how unusual to hold your phone vertically to your ear when making a call May 31 16:17:52 rst *g* May 31 16:17:53 I mean, if iPhone users do that, it must be perverse May 31 16:17:53 I should know, I live here May 31 16:17:57 i'm pretty sure i use automatic May 31 16:18:06 so when my phone is collapsed, it's in portrait May 31 16:18:09 and when it isn't, it isn't May 31 16:18:22 (in israel that is, not the uk) May 31 16:18:36 * RST38bis wonders if there is PR1.2.1 on the horizon May 31 16:18:41 RST38bis: yes. phone app is very moody since PR1.2 May 31 16:18:42 take it -> ##politics May 31 16:18:45 preferably in the next 30 days May 31 16:18:52 * MohammadAG kicks RST38bis May 31 16:18:53 RST38bis: doubtful May 31 16:19:00 on the topic of phoning and portrait, there is a nice application to make it go into speaker mode when you open the keyboard May 31 16:19:12 yeah May 31 16:19:14 BCMM: ooh May 31 16:19:21 is it in extras or -testing? May 31 16:19:25 it's like that by default on the N97 May 31 16:19:27 dunno, i'll check May 31 16:19:27 -devel i think May 31 16:19:29 on the other hand, modest seems to work (slowly, cut&paste still broken) and the weird bug with the media player applet seems to be mostly gone May 31 16:19:30 * timeless_mbp would gladly vote that out of testing into extras May 31 16:20:00 RST38bis: yeah, still waiting for a new update we can try and make people ask about so they get kicked :0 May 31 16:20:01 RST38bis: there were few times it disappeared when I picked up the ringing phone. it started rotating and poof - gone. I needed to go to app browser and unhide it, then pick up. May 31 16:20:02 :) even May 31 16:20:10 MohammadAG: What? Me? May 31 16:20:40 * timeless_mbp frowns May 31 16:20:56 ok, i'm looking for someone here running 1.2 in English willing to risk their device May 31 16:21:07 MohammadAG: Me, personally, thinks that your little middle east complication should be resolved with nuclear weaponry, as soon as possible, but preferably not during sand storms May 31 16:21:07 how much risk? May 31 16:21:09 psswitcher - Eases to switch on/off speakers while on the phone. May 31 16:21:30 hi,can someone tell me why the browser always redirectsme to the mobile site if available! May 31 16:21:35 RST38bis, I want a vertical nuke to be fired May 31 16:21:35 MohammadAG: beat me to it May 31 16:21:42 matti_hautameki: it doesn't May 31 16:21:45 and I have a feeling that PR1.2 lags on mass storage access May 31 16:21:49 (mostly because that will make nice, prolonged news subject with some cool imagery) May 31 16:21:50 the browser does whatever web sites tell it to do May 31 16:21:52 eventually, it will run out of fuel in mid air and... May 31 16:21:55 mine does May 31 16:22:07 matti_hautameki: have installed any third party browser hacks? May 31 16:22:10 a user agent changer? May 31 16:22:13 no May 31 16:22:18 ok, what sites specifically? May 31 16:22:29 matti_hautameki: it's not the browser. it's the site. browser has nothing to do with it. it's the site's decision to serve you the redirection. May 31 16:22:30 smoku: that is because more stuff has been moved to mmc May 31 16:22:45 you can also make it open the dashboard, which is kinda neat since if you open the keyboard, you're probably going to want to go to speakerphone then start some program to answer whatever somebody just asked you May 31 16:22:48 does anyone else get that annoying bug where if someone calls while the backlight is off - you try to answer it but as soon as you press "answer" the backlight goes off again May 31 16:23:00 smoku: so now it takes a few seconds for the phone to react even for most common tasks May 31 16:23:00 it's like the phone is playing tag with me May 31 16:23:03 smoku, I would recommend copying all data from mass storage, formatting and then copying everything back, should speed things up May 31 16:23:04 ok ... i have deleted the cookies and so on. any idea? May 31 16:23:08 timeless_mbp: back on your original question, what do you need attempted? May 31 16:23:09 you can also use the camera button, if some some weird reason you don't already use that to activate the dashboard May 31 16:23:21 nax3000: Welcome to my recent complaint about the Phone app bug May 31 16:23:26 nax3000: that is it May 31 16:23:26 microlith: i have a package and i want to know if installing it changes the email app May 31 16:23:28 TomaszD: this is what i did once i felt something is wrong May 31 16:23:42 that is damn annoying May 31 16:23:49 how could they have not fixed that in pr1.2 May 31 16:23:58 * timeless_mbp grumbles May 31 16:24:01 * timeless_mbp kicks ham May 31 16:24:02 they broke that with pr1.2 May 31 16:24:05 it works before May 31 16:24:08 worked May 31 16:24:09 it only tells me about updates to package visible packages May 31 16:24:12 not hidden packages May 31 16:24:20 hello everyone, anyone here happen to use joikuSpot on the N900 and gotten it to work well with DD-WRT flashed routers? May 31 16:24:23 for me it did that with 1.1.1 May 31 16:24:26 was fine in 1.1 May 31 16:24:40 I cannot seem to get my router to connect to JoikuSpot but it had previously worked with my Palm Pre and MyTether... May 31 16:24:41 Next time someone tells me "extensive in-house testing Nokia requires as part of the PR release procedure" I will laugh my socks off May 31 16:24:47 must say I love this phone :) May 31 16:24:56 s/me/me about May 31 16:25:00 joikuspot is the payware wifi tethering app, right? May 31 16:25:02 timeless_mbp, is there a mechanism for updating apps downloading from Ovi like from other catalogues or is it broken? May 31 16:25:07 what does it have over mobilehotspot? May 31 16:25:07 *downloaded May 31 16:25:23 a nice gui I suppose ;) May 31 16:25:23 * FauxFaux is regretting even less being too lazy to install pr1.2 due to NSU being broken. May 31 16:25:24 TomaszD: in theory it generally works May 31 16:25:29 nokia needs QA people without a lobotomy May 31 16:25:44 BCMM: yes it is May 31 16:25:51 you'd think that'd be a requirement May 31 16:25:54 and I am not sure as I have never looked at mobile hot spot ,what is that? May 31 16:26:02 nax3000: actually May 31 16:26:02 timeless_mbp, so if there is an important security update for Firefox Mobile in the Ovi Store, will it inform me by way of the orange flashing icon? May 31 16:26:06 actually, most qa people I have seen had lobotomies May 31 16:26:07 TomaszD: ovi store apps are user/hidden, but it's still user/* May 31 16:26:10 having a lobotomy is probably a requirement here May 31 16:26:17 "looking for QA testers, lobotomy patients need not apply" May 31 16:26:18 otherwise you'd go mad from the insane demands May 31 16:26:19 jcrawford: well, it lets you share the 3g connection using wifi May 31 16:26:21 smoku, they changed the hidden mechanism in PR1.2 May 31 16:26:34 demands? what demands? May 31 16:26:37 BCMM is it an app for the phone or a device i have to get down at AT&T May 31 16:26:44 TomaszD: i'd assume so May 31 16:26:49 i don't use ovi store May 31 16:26:49 jcrawford: it's a maemo app May 31 16:26:49 timeless: are you a QA guy for nokia? May 31 16:26:55 nax3000: no, i'm an engineer May 31 16:27:01 jcrawford: it doesn't do wpa, AFAIK May 31 16:27:03 i don't like the qa team any more then you do May 31 16:27:07 however i've seen their managers May 31 16:27:09 you overshoot suggested PR release date by several months and cannot even insure that the Phone app works? May 31 16:27:11 timeless only beserks on the QA-Reports May 31 16:27:13 and it's hard to blame the qa team May 31 16:27:21 You CANNOT use WPA(2) over adhoc networks in the wifi spec May 31 16:27:21 sometimes May 31 16:27:23 hmm is it in the app manager or in the ovi stire? May 31 16:27:26 i will check it out May 31 16:27:33 Ikarus: wirelesshotspot is ad-hoc? May 31 16:27:36 BCMM: yup May 31 16:27:42 the firmware in the wifi chip bars the use of actual AP mode May 31 16:27:42 idc if it does wpa or not, just want to use it for small crap around the house :) May 31 16:27:43 well, the people who work there are only as good as the management May 31 16:27:43 RST38bis: s/insure/ensure/ May 31 16:27:47 so I can relate May 31 16:27:47 Ikarus: why does it need a new kernel then? May 31 16:27:49 insurance is just a gamble May 31 16:27:50 doh. I like my QA team guys. they are our best friends... May 31 16:27:52 getting it right is harder May 31 16:28:04 smoku: qa at nokia is split into 3 or more classes May 31 16:28:10 some classes have good teams May 31 16:28:11 BCMM: NAT May 31 16:28:16 but all classes are overworked May 31 16:28:23 and all classes get incredibly stupid demands May 31 16:28:24 BCMM: the default kernel lacks iptables NAT support May 31 16:28:24 jcrawford: ah, no netfilter in the default kernel? May 31 16:28:38 Ikarus: you are marginally faster than me :( May 31 16:28:43 anyone here been able to get pidgin to install for them? here it says downloading 3.33mb then says downloading 1.26mb and just hangs until the download fails May 31 16:29:16 the irony of it all - I might start working in QA next month May 31 16:29:16 so what exactly causes people to pay money for joikuspot, other than getting to use the same software they use on their android phones? May 31 16:29:24 BCMM: because they are high on crack May 31 16:29:46 there is a sucker borne every minute? May 31 16:29:47 BCMM: because i did not know there was an alternative :) May 31 16:29:51 * timeless_mbp grumbles May 31 16:29:53 * timeless_mbp sighs May 31 16:29:55 stupid stupid stupid May 31 16:29:57 apt sucks May 31 16:29:58 or i would not have been suckered into paying lol May 31 16:30:16 perhaps we should run a VPN server on the N900 to make hotspot mode secure :) May 31 16:30:16 jcrawford: i will admit i had heard of joikuspot but not mobilehotspot until i decided to do a quick search May 31 16:30:21 WEP is cracked in 20 minutes May 31 16:30:33 if not less :) May 31 16:30:43 Ikarus: oth, the n900 has less range than a typical wireless router May 31 16:31:04 ah well, I'll stick with Bluetooth PAN for now May 31 16:31:07 Ikarus: my internet is only on for about 20 minutes at a time most of the time lol May 31 16:31:18 so idc if they crack it :) in-fact right now it's unsecured May 31 16:31:21 given that Bluetooth security is reasonable May 31 16:31:45 i have never actually used the bluetooth on my phone :( May 31 16:33:06 woha, putting a donate button in my aboutdialog just payed off \o/ May 31 16:33:23 timeless_mbp: ok, going -> May 31 16:33:38 ok May 31 16:33:41 heading out May 31 16:33:47 pisses me off that pidgin refuses to install lol May 31 16:34:00 re rst May 31 16:34:13 remoo May 31 16:34:37 frals: how long did it take? May 31 16:34:43 doh... builder is broken again.. :/ I guess it's time to leave extras-devel alone and move back to my own repository May 31 16:35:01 BCMM: i submitted to autobuilder like err 4 hrs ago i think May 31 16:35:12 oh, that would be the fmms update i got today May 31 16:35:46 Is X-Fade on vacation again? =) May 31 16:36:37 has anyone gotten pidgin to install? May 31 16:36:42 yes May 31 16:36:53 looks like pycallblock will end the call you currently have going if a blocked number calls :) May 31 16:37:14 heh May 31 16:37:34 yay, a way to make people you don't want to talk to more annoying! May 31 16:38:00 haha May 31 16:38:02 gerat. May 31 16:38:04 great May 31 16:38:17 hrm May 31 16:40:47 i think its a 1-line fix tho May 31 16:42:52 zaheerm... May 31 16:43:21 bbl May 31 16:45:05 timeless, no. May 31 16:48:54 yay, fixed it May 31 16:53:00 If anybody's noticed bug #10454 May 31 16:53:01 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 Data connection disappears after automatically migrating between WiFi and data a few times May 31 16:56:04 GAN900, define a few times? 10? 20? 50? May 31 16:58:28 re doc May 31 17:06:01 You can automatically migrate between wifi and data? Really? May 31 17:08:27 RST38h: if you allow automatic data connection, it gets established once you get out of AP reach May 31 17:08:56 but all your sessions will break May 31 17:09:03 so, it is not automatic, afaik May 31 17:12:08 youd need mobileip hackery or both networks under same organizations control to retain tcp connections May 31 17:13:13 ruskie, see the reproduction field. May 31 17:13:25 ruskie, 2 of the 8 days I've had 1.2 May 31 17:15:37 RST38h, which sessions? May 31 17:20:18 Hi May 31 17:22:12 RST38h, I don't have to touch anything. May 31 17:22:22 So, automatic. May 31 17:23:30 hi May 31 17:23:57 does anyone know a game-server-monitor software like "HLSW" for n900? May 31 17:31:00 ? May 31 17:31:32 not existing?? May 31 17:46:35 GAN: Like ssh session or http May 31 17:46:49 RST38h, fix xchat! May 31 17:46:51 or irc. they do get broken when changing connection, right? May 31 17:46:59 some people like to paste spam May 31 17:47:14 and join channels on connect May 31 17:47:17 rant over May 31 17:47:18 :) May 31 17:47:52 wow, that live focus app is damn annouing May 31 17:48:12 Speaking of spam, http://gizmodo.com/5551789/motorola-droid-shadow-and-xtreme-show-up-on-verizons-system - and it is not running Maemo May 31 17:48:42 * MohammadAG kicks RST38h in the (word not suitable for #maemo) May 31 17:53:51 * RST38h wonders where he has been kicked May 31 17:54:11 likely not in the groin, if you don't know. May 31 17:56:24 "A melancholy view of our national mental level is obtained from a survey of the moronic quality of the majority of today's radio programs" May 31 17:56:51 (C)Lee de Forest, inventor of a triode, 1952 May 31 18:17:41 rst: so how does this call bug work? May 31 18:17:51 i locked a phone in portrait May 31 18:26:40 jaska: vpn with automatic reconnection would save your ass too May 31 18:28:57 ttilus: yeah, mobileip is somewhat like that iirc May 31 18:31:43 mobileip is ip-over-ip tunneling, so essentially the same in this case May 31 18:34:32 TTilus: it's actually not tunneling, it is redirection May 31 18:36:48 if theres no foreign agent? May 31 18:37:19 its been a while since i touched that stuff :) May 31 18:41:55 RST38h: yep. xchat irc connection breaks on automatic 'roaming' from WLAN to GPRS connection May 31 18:42:05 hmm, i stand corrected, its more or less just plain forwarding, "home agent" just forwards the packages to mobile node, which sends data always directly to the peer, not via "home agent" May 31 18:42:33 RST38h: btw you noticed the "tickets" on your xchat "bugtracker" thread? May 31 18:50:22 DocScrutinizer, wish libconic were hooked into it. May 31 18:50:52 libconic? it? May 31 18:51:19 you're referring to 'roaming'? May 31 18:52:00 as in 'xchat needs libconic' ? May 31 18:53:37 DocScrutinizer, yeah. May 31 18:54:00 XChat should hook into libconic so it knows when a connection change has happened May 31 18:54:08 Instead of taking 15 minutes to timeout. May 31 18:55:02 Doc: Yes, I have noticed "tickets" and may even "looks" at them once I have time =) May 31 18:55:10 s/looks/look May 31 18:55:22 hey guys anyone been able to get google voice activated? May 31 18:55:33 i keep getting unknown code May 31 18:57:20 ugh fonts are soo small in xchat May 31 18:58:45 GAN900: full ack. Though reducing ping-timeout to 2 minutes helps, but introduces other problems May 31 18:59:36 jcrawford: select anothe PT size in xchat settings? :-P May 31 18:59:45 sucks my other phone broke and i cannot get google voice to activate from the n900 May 31 19:00:14 gogle voice? you're kidding, aren't you? May 31 19:01:07 * RST38h needs a new laptop and may even consider Samsung. May 31 19:01:12 no i have a number i give everyone to call me on and that is the google voice # May 31 19:01:22 aaah May 31 19:01:27 That is how low I have fallen May 31 19:01:38 thought you're talking about that voice-command thing May 31 19:02:34 nope May 31 19:02:35 Are Dell Vostros any good? May 31 19:02:35 * DocScrutinizer suggests plain SIP to jcrawford May 31 19:03:44 doc i may try that but the point of ga google voice # is so that you have it forever. when you get a new phone you just activate google voice :) May 31 19:04:01 DocScrutinizer: googlevoice is much more than what plain sip gives you May 31 19:04:09 uhuh May 31 19:04:14 Mek, hey May 31 19:04:19 MohammadAG, ^ May 31 19:04:23 Hi May 31 19:04:23 tybollt, hey May 31 19:04:37 tybollt, i found the guy. he is here btw May 31 19:04:39 google voice for N900 ? May 31 19:04:43 but when i enter the code in the phone app it complains about an invalid code May 31 19:05:18 budfive: please elaborate May 31 19:05:26 ZogG, kk May 31 19:05:41 what's google voice? May 31 19:05:49 is it like SIP or something? May 31 19:06:00 DocScrutinizer: for example if I have a cell-phone and an office phone, I would register both other those numbers with a googlevoice account. GV gives you a 3rd phone number. That's the one you give out to people May 31 19:06:04 MohammadAG: [2010-05-31 21:04:02] DocScrutinizer: googlevoice is much more than what plain sip gives you May 31 19:06:17 DocScrutinizer: When your gv number is called, BOTH the cellphone and the office phone ring May 31 19:06:18 I downloaded Easy debian now, and it tells me that it has to download some 2.5 GB image file and must be saved in the memory card , but can i be saved on the N900 ? cause i dont have a memory card May 31 19:06:19 heh you asked the same q... May 31 19:06:34 DocScrutinizer: so you can be reached wherever you are May 31 19:06:42 xDaReaperx, yes May 31 19:06:48 it can be saved to either afaik May 31 19:06:50 budfive: can be done with SIP easily, and in a standards conforming manner May 31 19:06:51 mohamed it allows callers to call one number to ring many phones and allows you to transparently tranfer calls from one phone to another etc. May 31 19:06:57 unless qole changed that, which i doubt May 31 19:07:03 DocScrutinizer: then there are other niceties, like voicemail that's sent to your email May 31 19:07:05 hmm whats afaik ? May 31 19:07:06 lol May 31 19:07:17 ~wtf afaik May 31 19:07:18 AFAIK: as far as I know May 31 19:07:25 budfive: I got that with sipgate since 5 years now May 31 19:07:28 ~botsnack May 31 19:07:29 :), MohammadAG May 31 19:07:29 i wanted to host PHP and SQL on my phone , so i was gonna install debian May 31 19:07:38 DocScrutinizer: yeah? SIP is a standard and sipgate is a product? May 31 19:07:45 DocScrutinizer: you educate me :) May 31 19:07:55 budfive: with SIP you can do all what GV do , the catch with GV is everything is already do and you don't need config May 31 19:07:58 anything May 31 19:08:05 or almost nothing May 31 19:08:13 budfive: SIP is a RFC standard and sipgate.de is one of a zillion providers May 31 19:08:36 DocScrutinizer: reading... May 31 19:09:20 budfive: http://twinklephone.com May 31 19:09:29 GAN900: Rays vs Jays tonight May 31 19:09:35 for a good free softphone May 31 19:09:59 (ok, maybe I am biased, as I co-developed it a little bit) May 31 19:11:18 budfive: anyway you got a nice list of links to all the RFC and sevices implemented in that particular SIP client May 31 19:11:32 it says service code not supported. May 31 19:11:57 when i do the activation of google voice May 31 19:12:29 the code looks like this *004*15555551212# May 31 19:12:45 DocScrutinizer: Yes. Thanks a lot for that May 31 19:12:58 actually I couldn't think of a single function/service in GV that hasn't been implemented by sipgate some years before May 31 19:13:00 DocScrutinizer: googlevoice isn't nearly as special as I was led to believe :) May 31 19:13:28 fiferboy, yeah, we had a baaaaaad week. May 31 19:13:38 fiferboy, fingers crossed for improvements this week. May 31 19:13:40 sipgate allows one number for life? May 31 19:13:49 hey guys , i have 2 new themes on my N900 , but now i liked the background image of the first theme , and the icons of the 2nd theme , i want to use the 2nd theme with the 1st theme's background image , how can i set it to that ? May 31 19:13:51 GAN900: Morrow should get you on the right track :/ May 31 19:14:05 DocScrutinizer, how do I reduce ping time? May 31 19:14:09 in USA sipphone.com aka freeworlddialup/fwd is very popular for a SIP provider afaik May 31 19:14:29 jcrawford: That code is a gsm command. what is telling you that the service isn't supported? May 31 19:14:36 jcrawford: is it the n900 or your gsm provider? May 31 19:14:39 hello again, humanity :) May 31 19:14:40 GAN900: walk a few steps towards the AP? May 31 19:15:02 the phone app May 31 19:15:10 or attach a huge antenna May 31 19:15:32 to your roof, if the router supports that (old dlinks did :)) May 31 19:15:41 DocScrutinizer, hate you. May 31 19:15:42 it works on att as my E72 is setup May 31 19:15:47 xDaReaperx> hey guys , i have 2 new themes on my N900 , but now i liked the background image of the first theme , and the icons of the 2nd theme , i want to use the 2nd theme with the 1st theme's background image , how can i set it to that ? May 31 19:15:52 anyone ? ^ May 31 19:15:53 DocScrutinizer, how do I reduce XChat's timeout period? May 31 19:16:06 GAN900: on a more serious comment, you can reduce MTR, and also tune a few other parameters of the link May 31 19:16:13 jcrawford: pr1.2 added support for ussd codes to be entered in the phone app, so update if you haven't yet May 31 19:16:16 ooh May 31 19:16:24 mompls May 31 19:16:32 xDaReaperx: You can easily set the background image. May 31 19:16:38 i have updated May 31 19:16:40 already May 31 19:16:40 can you tell me how plz ? May 31 19:16:44 xDaReaperx: I'm unure where the theme would store it May 31 19:16:49 oh May 31 19:16:54 how to find that out ? May 31 19:17:18 * SpeedEvil boots phone May 31 19:17:27 jcrawford: maybe it's a bug then. :( If you can enter the commands from a different code they'll work with the n900 afterwards, since you're commanding your provider May 31 19:17:28 GAN900: net_ping_timeout = 240 May 31 19:17:40 jcrawford: different PHONE that is May 31 19:17:42 GAN900: in .xchat2/xchat.conf May 31 19:18:00 thats what i thought u meant May 31 19:18:13 i will try from my E72 tomorrow May 31 19:18:16 thanks May 31 19:19:37 xDaReaperx: click the desktop, click the little gear thing. Click desktop menu. Click change background. May 31 19:19:55 DocScrutinizer, thanks. May 31 19:19:58 yeah i am there May 31 19:20:11 okay ty May 31 19:20:14 figured it out May 31 19:20:16 :D May 31 19:21:05 ~ $ cat .xchat2/loginhost.xsh May 31 19:21:06 nick Docscrutemp May 31 19:21:08 msg nickserv ghost DocScrutinizer51 MyPWD May 31 19:21:09 timer 6 nick DocScrutinizer51 May 31 19:21:34 DocScrutinizer, ah, awesome. May 31 19:22:12 Can I reload the settings? May 31 19:22:19 Or just have to restart? May 31 19:22:22 .xchat2/servlist_.conf:C=load -e /home/user/.xchat2/loginhost.xsh May 31 19:24:31 F=27 May 31 19:24:32 D=0 May 31 19:24:34 S=irc.freenode.net May 31 19:25:12 F=? May 31 19:25:14 GAN900: or just edit login-cmd in settings May 31 19:25:53 MohammadAG: was just a context=3 in the 'diff' - i.e. I gave the 3 lines following the one I changed May 31 19:26:01 oh May 31 19:26:09 you use a loadfile too, cool May 31 19:27:00 for some reason i cant connect to irc.freenode.net on xchat May 31 19:27:01 sure, otherwise I would be known as DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51_ DocScrutinizer51__ just like you ;-P May 31 19:27:33 xDaReaperx from n900? May 31 19:27:37 yes May 31 19:27:40 i can May 31 19:27:49 its taking for ever May 31 19:27:49 xDaReaperx, have you changed something? May 31 19:27:59 no it shows connecting to chat.freenode.net May 31 19:28:10 shouldn't it connect to irc.freenode.net ? May 31 19:28:28 works like a charm here (xchat to freenode from N900) May 31 19:28:46 xDaReaperx yes May 31 19:29:00 i could connect yesteday May 31 19:29:01 xDaReaperx, different servers, they depend on your location May 31 19:29:04 but it dosent today May 31 19:29:11 wow May 31 19:29:14 i have chat =) May 31 19:29:19 hmm May 31 19:29:27 * Looking up irc.freenode.net May 31 19:29:28 * Connecting to chat.freenode.net (213.179.58.83) port 6667... May 31 19:29:33 chat.freenode.org May 31 19:29:38 haahha May 31 19:29:41 well yeah lol May 31 19:29:44 loswe May 31 19:29:48 loser* May 31 19:29:56 irc noobs May 31 19:30:00 can't type blind from n900 May 31 19:30:01 who me ? May 31 19:30:12 xDaReaperx: well actually sometimes it fails here too, saying "***checking ident" May 31 19:30:19 :) May 31 19:30:21 * ZogG_N900 bans MohammadAG May 31 19:30:33 DocScrutinizer :hmm yeah same problem here May 31 19:30:34 never failed May 31 19:30:45 * MohammadAG shoots ZogG_N900 with his N900-powered USB Javelin May 31 19:30:52 xDaReaperx maybe you are blocked or server blocked? May 31 19:30:59 are you using wifi or 3G May 31 19:31:03 WiFi May 31 19:31:10 xDaReaperx: probably related to GPRS-NAT of your provider May 31 19:31:13 try same connection as on desktop with sameserver May 31 19:31:16 hmm no Using WiFi May 31 19:31:22 as well check the proxy settings May 31 19:31:23 i can connect on my PC May 31 19:31:27 ooh May 31 19:31:39 xDaReaperx, change the server to what you have on desctop May 31 19:31:40 so then probably related to your own NAT :-P May 31 19:31:45 desktop* May 31 19:31:56 hmm ok i'll check May 31 19:31:58 xDaReaperx, xchat just hates you May 31 19:32:11 xDaReaperx, try 3G May 31 19:32:12 ZogG: UHUH. I just use the server I found in the preconfigured server list May 31 19:32:20 3G is too costly here May 31 19:32:22 DocScrutinizer me too May 31 19:32:24 i prefer WiFi May 31 19:32:32 xDaReaperx, i have 5 gibs a month =) May 31 19:32:34 and that's how you should do, as it does some arbitration May 31 19:32:39 i have none lol May 31 19:32:43 i have to pay as i surf May 31 19:32:45 on 3G May 31 19:32:49 real costly May 31 19:33:25 xDaReaperx country? May 31 19:33:36 Middle East : Bahrain May 31 19:34:07 lol how do you read the text on xchat on your N900 ,it's so puny May 31 19:34:29 hah, hasn't bhrain a 'no VoIP' policy on their wired internets as well? May 31 19:34:48 means they have a nasty firewall/proxy even on DSL May 31 19:34:55 ADSL May 31 19:35:10 well yeah they have blocked lots of networks May 31 19:35:20 but i can bypass that May 31 19:35:22 so there you got your problem May 31 19:35:50 hmm could be May 31 19:35:55 but i could connect yesterday May 31 19:36:03 dunno all of a sudden today it's taking forever May 31 19:36:10 this probably makes situation equivalent/worse to what I experience on GPRS May 31 19:36:27 yes, same here with GPRS May 31 19:36:43 hmm May 31 19:36:48 sometimes it works, rarely it takes literally forever/stalls May 31 19:37:01 xDaReaperx middle east israel ( no flood please) May 31 19:37:04 just select "reconnect" from menu-server May 31 19:37:22 i'm not form israel lol , i'm in Bahrain , but i'm from India May 31 19:37:23 xDaReaperx, change fonts May 31 19:37:30 xDaReaperx: usually fixes the issue for me May 31 19:37:31 yeah i changed it now and even the font size May 31 19:37:35 xDaReaperx, i understand, i am May 31 19:37:45 i left them as they are May 31 19:38:01 * ZogG waits for real avatar so hard May 31 19:38:14 Aank — the Last Air Bender May 31 19:38:29 ZogG: the default font is much too large iirc ;-P May 31 19:38:42 what is the best setup for do python program for maemo ? May 31 19:38:48 Nokia Sans 12 here May 31 19:39:01 code in anythign IDE and test directly in the n900 ? May 31 19:39:08 DocScrutinizer, it's exactly as in mail widget =) May 31 19:39:35 E0x, there is emulator, SDK for example May 31 19:39:52 ZogG: but you can program in python using the SDK May 31 19:39:53 ? May 31 19:40:01 not QT SDK May 31 19:40:06 python doesn't need an sdk May 31 19:40:07 oh May 31 19:40:07 you can May 31 19:40:24 MohammadAG, yes for graphics =) May 31 19:40:29 nope May 31 19:40:33 nope ? May 31 19:40:34 you can code it all May 31 19:40:36 on windows May 31 19:40:43 fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu May 31 19:40:50 use Qt designer May 31 19:40:52 MohammadAG, as QT and C++ or any language - so what? May 31 19:40:59 why the hell does this dialog refuse to show my widgets when i launch it the 2nd time? May 31 19:41:06 ZogG, huh May 31 19:41:13 python UI is in GTK or Qt May 31 19:41:14 well /proc/mem < does this actually exist ? May 31 19:41:18 E0x gtk or qt? May 31 19:41:22 i heard ppl say it causes a kernel panic May 31 19:41:29 gtk May 31 19:41:31 * MohammadAG tests May 31 19:41:38 E0x, use geany May 31 19:41:38 no need for an sdk then May 31 19:41:45 maybe some qt , i am learning/testing May 31 19:41:54 MohammadAG, glade =) May 31 19:42:11 E0x, check glade as well, though it's for desktop May 31 19:42:27 MohammadAG, gajim is made with glade May 31 19:42:46 but i need hildon libs not ? May 31 19:43:02 for what? May 31 19:43:08 to emulate or what? May 31 19:43:13 i don't really know May 31 19:43:19 ok May 31 19:43:24 ZogG, so what, fmms is made with trouts May 31 19:43:25 i will check and test May 31 19:43:26 probably for some emelents May 31 19:43:30 GAN900: everything ok? May 31 19:43:39 MohammadAG, you are made with love May 31 19:43:52 :P May 31 19:43:59 * ZogG hugs MohammadAG May 31 19:44:56 o.O May 31 19:45:10 Hey all May 31 19:45:35 Ahh, there we go. May 31 19:46:00 That topic gets longer everytime I come here... May 31 19:46:21 Cabletwitch i meant hornier May 31 19:46:32 ~pr1.3 May 31 19:46:33 pr1.3 is, like, a ban'able subject now..... May 31 19:46:39 hahaha May 31 19:46:41 * ZogG hides May 31 19:46:47 ~flash10.1 May 31 19:47:06 ~gentoo ZogG May 31 19:47:07 * infobot recompiles ZogG again May 31 19:47:44 ~flash ZogG May 31 19:47:45 * infobot starts a firmware update on ZogG, then pulls the plug halfway through May 31 19:48:08 that isn't fatal May 31 19:48:24 flash him with a broken NOLO May 31 19:48:28 yeah, ZogG is the living proof May 31 19:48:47 rofl May 31 19:48:51 how can I use my ps3 controller as a mouse for my n900? May 31 19:49:05 afaik, you don't :) May 31 19:49:24 ah, the joy of support May 31 19:49:47 * frals facepalms and walks towards the booze May 31 19:49:55 * DocScrutinizer ties frals to a first level helpdesk chair May 31 19:50:22 * MohammadAG replaces the rope with a metal bar and solders it May 31 19:50:44 * DocScrutinizer suggests welding May 31 19:50:48 :D May 31 19:51:38 MOUD, you can play games with it though May 31 19:51:42 * MohammadAG welds frals to the desk May 31 19:51:55 * MohammadAG hangs a trout out of reach in front of frals May 31 19:51:59 yeah... too bad that you cant use as a mouse May 31 19:52:03 * DocScrutinizer goes for a booze :-P May 31 19:52:10 MOUD, just use mouse May 31 19:52:20 * MohammadAG shoots DocScrutinizer and runs May 31 19:52:27 can wireless or bt mosue work with n900? May 31 19:52:48 can't shoot a zombie :-] May 31 19:52:51 well i dont think there is a cursor on N900 May 31 19:52:53 ZogG: o/ May 31 19:52:56 expect while browsing May 31 19:52:57 wazd \o May 31 19:53:06 * Stskeeps passes wazd some booze May 31 19:53:09 what about a keyboard then? May 31 19:53:10 why is it that whenever i tell someone to start an application from the terminal they always do it as root? May 31 19:53:11 * MohammadAG solders DocScrutinizer too May 31 19:53:11 wazd, this guy from habr talking about meego is an iddiot May 31 19:53:19 Stskeeps, Oi! that's mine May 31 19:53:23 Stskeeps: ohnoes, can't take any more :D May 31 19:53:37 ZogG: he's a "journalist" May 31 19:53:39 i'm not sure about the keyboard May 31 19:53:44 briglia, hello May 31 19:53:50 keyboards work, mice don't May 31 19:53:59 and it was marked as fixed, meh May 31 19:53:59 briglia, i'm AI bot, can i hep you? May 31 19:54:02 the zombie solders army of #maemo May 31 19:54:34 both wireless and bt keyboard work? May 31 19:54:39 sergio__, bey, it was nice to meet you May 31 19:54:42 ZogG: but all that atom-phone stuff was fun anyway :) May 31 19:54:51 yay, a bot May 31 19:54:55 let me try... May 31 19:54:59 !ZogG May 31 19:55:01 wazd, they read rumors from rumors from rumors and than they think they know May 31 19:55:07 didnt work... meh May 31 19:55:09 lol May 31 19:55:18 maybe you need permission to use him May 31 19:55:24 wazd, i doubt even Nokia sees all the picture, but he does May 31 19:55:33 MOUD, coffee? May 31 19:55:52 ZogG: actually I was surprised to meet "journalist behaviour pattern" May 31 19:55:54 no tks May 31 19:56:00 lol May 31 19:56:05 !ZogG -rm -rf May 31 19:56:10 ZogG: when he suddenly switched theme dramaticaly May 31 19:56:12 wazd, habr is a network of snobs May 31 19:56:40 Cabletwitch, you harddrive with pr0n was deleted successfully May 31 19:57:07 How do you delete a harddrive? May 31 19:57:23 with magic hat? May 31 19:57:26 douh May 31 19:57:36 Is it possible to cause a kernel panic on the N900 ? May 31 19:57:41 man, everyone knows that May 31 19:57:47 * Cabletwitch looks in the case, and see's the disk is still there May 31 19:57:55 xDaReaperx, prob, you wouldn't see it anyway May 31 19:57:55 xDaReaperx: easily May 31 19:58:02 how ? May 31 19:58:04 which command line May 31 19:58:11 Cabletwitch, TA-DA, it was magic trick May 31 19:58:36 Uh-huh. Now make my 'More...' icon come back. May 31 19:58:37 I did it as root with 'cat /proc/kmem' but since then my kmem and/or mem is gone it seems :-P May 31 19:58:50 THAT would be a good trick May 31 19:58:55 ZogG : we might notice the high CPU usage during a kernel panic and heating May 31 19:59:04 can i use 2 ps3 controllers with n900? May 31 19:59:30 any screen cap app out there for the n900 yet? May 31 19:59:33 DocScrutinizer : well can that command cause any harm for the phone ? May 31 19:59:38 xDaReaperx, you can do #mv kernel panic_room May 31 19:59:42 or do i have to use my other phone to record stuff? May 31 19:59:46 or maybe it was /dev/kmem May 31 19:59:49 I wonder if its possible to use the N900 as a wiimote? May 31 20:00:03 xDaReaperx, if you have kernel panic - doesn't the system fall ? May 31 20:00:04 xDaReaperx: nah, just causes kernel to segv May 31 20:00:19 Cabletwitch: yes, but only once. It will go to your TV in a first throw. May 31 20:00:20 Cabletwitch: for one, you'd need to mod the camera to accept only IR light May 31 20:00:20 well a restart should fix that right ? May 31 20:00:34 xDaReaperx: it restarts immediately May 31 20:00:35 Cabletwitch, not sure if it's as Wii remote or with Wii remote May 31 20:00:42 hmm ok May 31 20:00:57 xDaReaperx, kernel panic is like blue screen May 31 20:01:04 so can i try it ? lol will it harm the phone in any way ? May 31 20:01:06 Wolfie: I meant as the controller, not the sensor bar. May 31 20:01:13 oh ... hmm maybe never seen one May 31 20:01:15 xD May 31 20:01:18 xDaReaperx: nope it won't harm the phone May 31 20:01:19 MohammadAG, fixed mms thing? May 31 20:01:32 Cabletwitch: the sensor bar is just two IR leds, nothing more... the wiimote has an IR-sensitive camera, that knows how you point at the tv May 31 20:01:39 And generally, CMOS and CCD devices will see in IR if you remove the filter. May 31 20:02:10 additionally, there's some accelerometers in 3 axis, which could probably be done with the N900... May 31 20:02:11 Ahh yes, forgot the camera was in the remote. Duh. May 31 20:02:15 how accurately, though, I don't know May 31 20:02:38 *axes May 31 20:02:54 You were right the first time. May 31 20:02:59 and then you'd need to get the phone to sync with the wii, which would require a certain amount of hacking May 31 20:03:05 ahh yeah it crashed the phone lol May 31 20:03:08 its restarting May 31 20:03:13 so, technically, sure, it's bound to be possible. But hardly usable May 31 20:03:29 When has that ever stopped the OSS crowd? May 31 20:03:48 more interesting/rewarding projects? ;) May 31 20:04:11 Eh, someone will try it eventually, you'll see. May 31 20:05:59 Dear Nokia, if you ever revise the N900's hardware, put the goddamn usb port on the OTHER end of the phone, so you dont look like a total tit when its charging/plaugged in during a call. Thanks in advance, Cable. May 31 20:06:04 Hmmm...Skype is broken in PR1.2 as well May 31 20:06:22 Does not show messages sent by myself from some other machine to somebody else May 31 20:06:35 Actually, shows them in the log but does not show the messages themselves May 31 20:06:47 well i chmod 640 /proc/meminfo , so this should prevent apps from displaying or recording my memory info right ? May 31 20:07:07 muhahaha, Israel not found out 35% of world poulation are AlKaida May 31 20:07:14 now May 31 20:07:18 not not May 31 20:07:24 DocScrutinizer =( May 31 20:07:29 eh? May 31 20:07:48 DocScrutinizer it's not the size but how you use it May 31 20:07:52 Doc, pills time! May 31 20:08:17 can we make the menu on the N900 to be viewed in Portait mode ? May 31 20:08:22 instead of landscape ? May 31 20:08:27 and all the other apps May 31 20:08:50 xDaReaperx ctrl+shift+r May 31 20:08:55 IR leds need to be on the top end too, so we can use it as a proper remote. May 31 20:08:59 the 700 passangers of the hijacked and attacked convoy all were AlKaida members, according to Israel minitry of exernal afairs May 31 20:09:27 DocScrutinizer please, don't start it here May 31 20:09:33 all with kalaschnikovs and grenades May 31 20:09:47 700 passengers != 35% of world population May 31 20:09:57 Bastard May 31 20:10:03 ZogG : i tried ctrl+shift+r dosent do anything May 31 20:10:09 israeli did a good thing May 31 20:10:12 xDaReaperx in the app May 31 20:10:18 thresh: Not really May 31 20:10:33 DocScrutinizer you see what i meant May 31 20:10:35 thresh: A nuclear blast would be way more spectacular May 31 20:10:46 heh, but If there were diplomats under the 700 (and there actually were) then it's highly unlikely the rest of that government isn't AlKaida as well May 31 20:10:53 RST38h, shhhh May 31 20:10:56 RST38h: still, they being consistent, something our country lacks for instance May 31 20:11:02 thresh: Especially at sea. Would probably take all the vessels at once, too May 31 20:11:04 nuclear blast, for sure. May 31 20:11:07 * Cabletwitch must have missed the news... not having a TV makes this possible. May 31 20:11:16 thresh: Actually, quite the opposite May 31 20:11:17 ZogG : wait i go to some application and type ctrl+shift+r ? May 31 20:11:23 yes May 31 20:11:33 and then i tilt my phone ? May 31 20:11:34 thresh: Israelis are pretty inconsistent in their treatment of PA May 31 20:11:50 xDaReaperx, close keyboard and move phone May 31 20:12:08 oh cool works :D May 31 20:12:12 RST38h: PA being? May 31 20:12:15 thresh: Constantly switching from appeasement to supression, where the Chechen approach would probably work better May 31 20:12:21 palestine autonomy? May 31 20:12:22 thresh: Palestinian Authority May 31 20:12:26 oh k May 31 20:12:30 Cabletwitch: Some non-whites blew up a boat with some other non-whites on it. WHITE POWAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR. Wait, actually, this isn't a normal IRC channel, I probably can't say that here. May 31 20:12:40 Heh, the rotate trick works with xchat too. May 31 20:12:40 haha May 31 20:12:42 RST38h: we all know how well chechen approach worked :/ May 31 20:12:55 thresh: Better than israeli approach to PA May 31 20:12:56 Anybody else having the phone app do weird gymnastics when receiving a call? May 31 20:13:01 Cabletwitch, it's hildon trcik not certain apps May 31 20:13:05 /nick FauKFauKK. May 31 20:13:16 thresh: (although neither has been particularly stellar) May 31 20:13:22 true May 31 20:13:24 Ones that make you hit the hangup button. . . . May 31 20:13:37 ZogG: Ahh, gotcha. Is it applicable to the app used in, or does it stay active globally? May 31 20:14:02 wow , that 'live focus' app is horrible o_o May 31 20:14:25 what IS that live focus app??? May 31 20:14:31 something for the camera May 31 20:14:44 GAN: Yes. It is confirmed to be a bug. May 31 20:15:04 pronto: I think it works quite well inside the given restrictions May 31 20:15:13 GAN: Appears when your phone app set to work in portrait mode. Made quite a few people miss calls too. May 31 20:15:28 the thing keeps poping up when i'm viewing phtos :\ May 31 20:15:29 pronto: oh that thing May 31 20:15:54 pronto: uh, ok. never seen that May 31 20:16:12 or wait May 31 20:16:18 it acautaly poped up when i was on the home screen :| May 31 20:16:30 maybe I seen it once, before I changed the setting in systray menu May 31 20:16:40 oh? May 31 20:17:33 pronto: It has major problems working with the camera May 31 20:17:42 isnt it _for_ the camera? May 31 20:17:44 pronto: The camera module is completely closed-source May 31 20:17:45 livefocus can not create an overlay to camera-gui. So that's quite a handicap for a decent implementation May 31 20:18:04 To do it 'right' - it would want to be integrated into the camera May 31 20:18:08 oh? wow that's annoying May 31 20:18:29 For example - live focus applet - cannot actually tell - as I understand it - if the camera applet is showing you your existing pictures, or ... May 31 20:18:38 by using the kbd shortcuts it works like a charm May 31 20:20:09 just switch the keyboard button in systray menu to green-dot May 31 20:20:53 err red? May 31 20:21:29 Q/W toggles flashlight, A/S is focus... May 31 20:23:36 E/R is red indicator light May 31 20:23:47 D is some obscure reset May 31 20:24:13 but something is a little inconsistent still, sometimes refuses to work May 31 20:24:58 prssing q/w nothing is happening o.O May 31 20:25:48 yeah, a pita May 31 20:26:17 i'll just remove it May 31 20:26:42 open cam slider, press crtl-bs, go to desktop, hit, systray, switch kbd-button to red-dot, press crtl-bs, goto camera May 31 20:27:41 probably me to May 31 20:27:59 as I don't need manual focus, or video light May 31 20:28:45 what I need though is a torch, simple and easy to start. and the not so easy to start torch was killed by live_focus May 31 20:29:17 so now the night is over before I get some light ;-P May 31 20:29:33 darn darkness May 31 20:29:48 cya May 31 20:31:31 i love how mplayer can slowdown speech May 31 20:32:41 www.windows7.nsk.ru/?article=12 - not sure if google translator can handle that - but this is epic win May 31 20:34:31 ZogG: There is a similar (and even better) English version May 31 20:35:57 any body seen a backgammon game for N900? May 31 20:36:05 ZogG: Start here: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html May 31 20:37:34 And to polish it off: http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html May 31 20:40:09 RST38h there is article there that IE8 is perfect and helps to feed starving children =) May 31 20:40:24 n900-dk i played it May 31 20:40:52 ZogG: I am sure it helps feeding a few children in Redmond, Washington May 31 20:41:12 ZogG: Where did you find it? Can't find bg any where.. May 31 20:41:12 Quite a few young Nigerians, Albanians, and Russians too May 31 20:41:21 Indian's programmers children maybe May 31 20:41:28 n900-dk ovi May 31 20:41:37 that is Java! May 31 20:41:40 RST38h huh, i;m russian =) May 31 20:41:49 there isn't any at ovi for N900 May 31 20:42:24 yay, got through a day with one battery swap May 31 20:42:36 you actually swap batteries? May 31 20:42:54 one charges while other is in use May 31 20:43:37 nokia has to really work on energy consumption May 31 20:43:41 or better batteries May 31 20:44:02 that is what the world has come to: swapping batteries in your phone May 31 20:44:41 * RST38h fills himself with sorrow for the future of the humanity May 31 20:46:04 * ShadowJK is pretty happy with battery consumption now May 31 20:46:14 now that I have the bigger battery May 31 20:46:28 original one lasted the day too though May 31 20:46:29 what sort of battery? May 31 20:46:30 Runs for about 15hrs here May 31 20:46:37 RST38h, it's amazing what Nokia doesn't test. May 31 20:46:38 and how you managed to fit it in n900? May 31 20:46:39 mugen's 2400mAh battery May 31 20:46:47 GAN900: No shit Sherlock May 31 20:47:12 Though not even the 2400mAh mugen would see me through the day on my operator's 3g :) May 31 20:47:19 (with xchat running on n900) May 31 20:47:32 GAN900: You would think "the extensive release qa process" should have caught broken phone app. Isn't it a phone? May 31 20:47:45 The phone app is broken? I just made a call? May 31 20:47:57 ShadowJK: Do this: May 31 20:48:10 RST38h: it's a mobile computer! May 31 20:48:33 ShadowJK: 1) Set Phone app to always use Portrait mode 2) Lock the screen 3) Call your phone May 31 20:48:43 Atlthough mafw-dbus-wrapper or something crashes alot more in PR1.2.. I was letting crash-reporter send in the crash reports, but I think the crash server crashed May 31 20:49:04 ShadowJK: You will see the screen go through weird acrobatics and if you click the green button too soon, N900 will drop the call and go back to sleep May 31 20:49:18 n900-dk yes there is May 31 20:49:23 i had that happening as well May 31 20:49:35 RST38h: it worked fine here, just tested May 31 20:49:37 and it looks like bad signal is making it worse May 31 20:49:53 RST38h: except if by “locked” you meant secure through the lock code maybe? May 31 20:49:54 Corsac: I am getting this in ~50% cases May 31 20:49:55 revenge of the ninja - perfect way to relax after before bedtime :D May 31 20:50:00 RST38h, I've dropped about a half dozen calls now. May 31 20:50:06 RST38h: I often see races condition in incoming calls though May 31 20:50:11 Corsac: No, turn the screen off with the lock button May 31 20:50:20 Corsac: yes that is our culprit May 31 20:50:36 GAN900: You are on the Council at the moment? May 31 20:50:43 the phone rings/vibrates, I pick it, and the screen shuts down, then on, then rotate, then... May 31 20:50:52 Corsac: Yep. May 31 20:52:17 n900-dk they deleted it probably - it was there May 31 20:52:25 RST38h, I have that issue too. usually I just wait a few seconds and it's fine. May 31 20:54:29 hi. I have a pdf document, with 4 slides per page, is it possible to cut it so that each slide is on separete pate? May 31 20:55:11 KongfuPanda i think so May 31 20:55:19 GAN900: Could you initiate some kind of a semi-formal drive for a quick update to fix the worst regressions caused by PR1.2? I have heard there are also some problems with messaging and the virtual keyboard May 31 20:55:21 how? May 31 20:55:41 GAN900: And the copy from emails still does not work May 31 20:55:49 KongfuPanda, forums.adobe.com/thread/339253 May 31 20:56:03 KongfuPanda google =) May 31 20:56:22 can i use 2 ps3 controllers with n900? May 31 20:56:26 RST38h, I could, but I doubt it would do anything productive. May 31 20:56:31 RST38h: GAN900: great idea. Then I don't have to wait forever for 1.2.1 May 31 20:57:18 KongfuPanda, www.wikihow.com/Extract-Pages-from-a-PDF-Document-to-Create-a-New-PDF-Document May 31 20:57:30 sitting here with a reasonably working but outdated 1.1, while everybody else curses 1.2 borkedness - man, that kinda sucks as well May 31 20:57:32 damn, Sho Kosugi is just ridiculously fast! Never did appreciate the art as a kid. May 31 20:57:36 GAN900: I know :( But it just feels so ridiculous to delay something for months and still get it wrong May 31 20:57:56 KongfuPanda o are you linux user? May 31 20:58:19 RST38h, I think it was the big platform stuff that killed them. May 31 20:58:23 GAN900: Maybe someone at Maemo Devices management has enough conscience left to actually authorize a quick fix May 31 20:58:45 GAN900 why don't they go modular ? May 31 20:58:56 They are modular May 31 20:59:08 are they? May 31 20:59:14 maemo is released as maemo May 31 20:59:19 and I don't even fare to allow updates of things like alarmed or live_focus, as probably it will eat my system or at very least shoot the app irrecoverably May 31 20:59:27 But Nokia's firmware release process is the same for Symbian and Maemo, and it dictates large, far-in-between updates May 31 20:59:28 s/fare/dare May 31 20:59:32 and not app manager+conversation+phtoapp+ blahblah May 31 20:59:55 ZogG: Not how they do it in Symbian ===> not how they can do it in Maemo May 31 20:59:58 RST38h i mean modular updates, when you have separete pkgs and not whole maemo May 31 21:00:07 ZogG; See above May 31 21:00:12 i saw May 31 21:00:20 saw wha is this modularity is about? May 31 21:00:29 that you have several files or what? May 31 21:00:33 ZogG: They create a package, with all the updates. They test it (or so they say). They release it. May 31 21:00:40 ZogG, that doesn't work. Windows 7, Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro. May 31 21:00:46 ZogG; Inside the package, things are still pretty modular May 31 21:00:49 KongfuPanda, second link? May 31 21:00:53 It doesn't split pages May 31 21:01:02 they give same advice May 31 21:01:07 RST38h, no sense =) May 31 21:01:17 ZogG: But they have to get released in a huge lump because that is how Nokia's release process works May 31 21:01:26 Document>Pages>E tract pages. But nothing happens May 31 21:01:27 KongfuPanda, there programs for that as well May 31 21:01:32 (and yes, it does make certain perverse sense in Symbian) May 31 21:01:46 RST38h, tht's how Nokia fails you mean? May 31 21:01:59 ZogG: They think it is vital May 31 21:02:01 i don't care about symbian ) May 31 21:02:35 ZogG: A lot of Nokia engineers privately agree that it is bullshit May 31 21:02:41 RST38h, they just don't care as something doesn't work, they care if the whole picture is fine, and it's wrong as handset is something different for others May 31 21:02:43 ZogG, which ones? May 31 21:02:45 But the engineers do not decide what and when to release May 31 21:03:09 for example i don't care about certain things but need to wait whole update only for things i care May 31 21:03:16 RST38h: support is the crux May 31 21:03:35 Doc: I seriously doubt this argument. May 31 21:03:44 RST38h, it's an old war. the programmers against the market stuff May 31 21:03:55 Doc: You can release updates to packages into a separate unsupported "testing" repo May 31 21:04:31 ZogG: The funny part is that the "market" people often resemble blind goats leading their sheep into the abyss May 31 21:04:37 RST38h: helpdesk dude:"which version are you running?" user:"ok, I updated from 1.1.1 to a new desktop manager, added the t-tan kernal, and.... what? No support??? FSCKYOU!" May 31 21:04:45 RST38h even better, as they make update test it inside and don't touch it anyway May 31 21:05:04 so it can go straigfht to repo and if something wrong people would complain May 31 21:05:13 Doc: "Where have you added it? -- From the beta testers repo. -- Reflash to the latest supported version and test again" May 31 21:05:24 DocScrutinizer how does ubuntu works? May 31 21:05:36 Doc: Believe me, there ARE ways to quickly resolve these issues in support May 31 21:05:46 RST38h: I fully agree, but not the management drones at Nokia I guess May 31 21:05:56 Doc: I mean, your local IT department probably solves such issues daily May 31 21:06:22 DocScrutinizer, so you decide what version of core and than the version of specific program, as well you can advise to make update - so you would know the versions =) May 31 21:07:01 ZogG: and what is a 1st level helpdesk robot supposed to do with such info? May 31 21:07:03 DocScrutinizer, okay, now i have pr1.2 and my widget still doesn't work properly, so how do they resolve it in support? May 31 21:07:10 DocScrutinizer, they don't anyway May 31 21:07:19 so at least they would work at bugs May 31 21:07:56 i don't care about buggy soft as i see some work is done to resolve it May 31 21:08:07 here i don't even know if someone work on it May 31 21:08:18 nota bene, that's not MY opinion, that's what I suspect Nokia management thinks about that issue May 31 21:08:22 maybe they didn't update it - just said it's fixed and that's all =) May 31 21:08:23 Doc: Actually, the 1st level reporting should be done with an on-device program that reports all the necessary data (including list of installed packages) to the support May 31 21:08:45 RST38h: ack, full ack May 31 21:08:49 Doc: And the server side script should analyze this data and mark suspicious lines in red for the support guy May 31 21:09:01 RST38h, too much May 31 21:09:16 the callcenter doing 1st level probably can't handle that May 31 21:09:26 ZogG: Not really. You are letting computer do what computers do best: analyze long lists of data May 31 21:10:02 Doc: Drone's instructions just say "You see red lines? ---> Ask what he installed and where from." May 31 21:10:39 I know some callcenters, they pay zillions on a crappy CRM+phone-sw controlling the PBX May 31 21:10:42 does anyone know if those "Flex" keyboards work with n900? May 31 21:10:46 RST38h, yes, but people don't care about it, as programist or familiuar with computers you understand that calls are stupid and bug reports are important May 31 21:11:00 but person want to get answer at the moument he calles May 31 21:11:10 ZogG: And he will get one May 31 21:11:11 so he wants to talk to other person and get aswer May 31 21:11:25 and then that software doesn't even work. they never are prepared for such a nice innovative concept May 31 21:11:25 RST38h like what? bug 1234556 ? May 31 21:11:26 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234556 was not found. May 31 21:11:43 here is your answer :) May 31 21:11:49 RST38h we can use povbot` as support desk =) May 31 21:12:48 ZogG: Guy calls support. The drone can either start asking him about stuff, OR he can ask the guy to click on the "Support" icon and enter a certian number (case ID) into the input field May 31 21:13:15 ZogG: the second choice may actually be faster and easier than asking a lot of involved questions May 31 21:13:25 but he want straight answer May 31 21:13:32 the program doesn't know to give it straight May 31 21:13:37 Everybody wants straight answer May 31 21:13:44 The program will not give him answer May 31 21:14:09 that's the point May 31 21:14:14 The program will report his setup to the call center where server side script will analyze it and show the drone a list of most likely bugs May 31 21:14:18 * DocScrutinizer waves May 31 21:14:42 if person on support don't give you aswer but talk to you and give info (that actually not usefull) it will come you dawn May 31 21:14:50 calm down* May 31 21:14:53 Starting with non standard combination of system packages and ending with 'this bluez package has a known issue" May 31 21:15:26 RST38h you have to understand common user, they don';t think logicly May 31 21:15:29 ZogG: That is psychiatric support, not IT May 31 21:15:40 heh May 31 21:15:46 * RST38h is talking about IT/technology support May 31 21:15:53 what is marketing and phone support on companies? May 31 21:16:01 * lbt recalls, whilst working at BT a few years ago, that the cost per support call was ~ £11 May 31 21:16:02 RST38h: this is not IT May 31 21:16:07 I thik it classifies as IT/technology May 31 21:16:10 why they ask you - have you restarted it and other stupid questions? May 31 21:16:29 RST38h: maemo is hiding the real filesystem hirachy from *THE USER* May 31 21:16:29 lbt: that is kinda high May 31 21:16:31 cause for them you have 0 knowledge May 31 21:16:44 they wouldn't give you quiz to understand your knowledge May 31 21:16:53 Doc: Pretty irrelevant, 95% of callers won't know how to use it May 31 21:16:54 RST38h: probably fully costed for a particular (retail) product May 31 21:17:19 RST38h: that should tell you what Nokia expects about expertise of their average support callling *user* May 31 21:17:21 RST38h, here, you answered yourself May 31 21:17:26 lbt: You average Indian drone is getting $3-$7 per hour May 31 21:17:39 lbt: So, 11 pounds is a lot May 31 21:18:02 * RST38h sighs and hits the bed May 31 21:18:05 RST38h: 1st level _always_ is psychological treatment rather than IT support May 31 21:18:10 yup...... which is why a) that was a few yrs ago and b) we know use indian drones May 31 21:18:10 RST38h most of support guys on phone are noobs themselfs May 31 21:18:15 now May 31 21:18:20 and just like monkeys push the certain buttons May 31 21:18:33 ZogG: Most of support guys on the phone are not even human May 31 21:18:38 DocScrutinizer that's what i say May 31 21:18:52 RST38h maybe on moon May 31 21:19:07 * lbt goes back to his workflow integration with speech simulation and voice recognition.... May 31 21:19:09 ZogG: If you assume that being human is defined by adequate reaction to arbitrary verbal input May 31 21:19:30 ZogG: i.e. drones do not even pass a Turing test May 31 21:19:34 i'm not english native speaker =) May 31 21:19:45 lbt: voice recog??? o.O May 31 21:19:51 gimmegimmegimme May 31 21:19:53 pardon May 31 21:20:11 lbt too late May 31 21:20:11 please say that again madam May 31 21:20:18 * ZogG xmms2> Dusk + Blackdown - Kuri Pataka (The Firecracker Girl) ft. Teji and Farrah ["Margin's Music" 2008] May 31 21:20:18 Doc: the adequate response to this string is "fuckoff." May 31 21:20:20 =) May 31 21:20:32 lol, I'll obey May 31 21:20:32 no, definitely sleep now. May 31 21:20:40 me too May 31 21:20:42 o/ May 31 21:20:47 DocScrutinizer, he lost =) May 31 21:20:51 again May 31 21:20:56 citory is our May 31 21:21:01 victory May 31 21:21:26 DocScrutinizer, finished the GUI? May 31 21:21:38 GUI for what May 31 21:22:02 please, guys... I was reading the easy debian scripts, and noticed that for each app intended to run in the debian a chroot is created... so it is 1 chroot per app ran on Debian. am i right? May 31 21:23:25 hm May 31 21:23:30 i found someone with froyo =) May 31 21:23:35 wonder if there is smbmount for maemo May 31 21:23:42 if you're using the debbie command then i think it creates a bew chroot for each app May 31 21:24:01 where is flash lib in maemo? May 31 21:24:31 hmmm the script that is ran to exec Debian's app is qchroot? May 31 21:25:01 has anyone tried this kind of keyboard? http://gadizmo.com/duraflex-flexible-keyboard.php May 31 21:26:32 astruasdh, yes May 31 21:26:37 qole chroot i think May 31 21:26:47 MOUD: that looks pretty cool May 31 21:26:55 wish they had a bt ver May 31 21:27:13 Macer: yeah, i saw one in the supermarket today, was like $20,00 May 31 21:27:24 afaik there are other q* command May 31 21:27:25 s May 31 21:27:30 qmount is one May 31 21:27:34 and that maemo had good bt keyboard support May 31 21:28:02 is it now possible to dual boot the n900? May 31 21:29:17 good q May 31 21:29:29 MOUD probably May 31 21:29:32 tyvm May 31 21:30:52 how many MB is the GPU? May 31 21:31:31 MohammadAG: yeah, atm working on version 7 May 31 21:31:41 I GOT FLASH 10 !!! May 31 21:31:50 GRATZ May 31 21:31:52 but didn't check if it works =))) May 31 21:32:06 -.- May 31 21:32:10 ibflashlite.so May 31 21:32:10 libflashsnddec.so May 31 21:32:10 libflashplayerlib.so May 31 21:32:30 any word about java support? May 31 21:32:45 DocScrutinizer51, windows 7? May 31 21:32:59 meh May 31 21:33:02 win7 is so old May 31 21:33:09 win 98 is better May 31 21:33:13 98 > 7 May 31 21:33:23 ME > 98+7 May 31 21:33:23 nah the 7th version for the 14th mio sold apps May 31 21:33:35 Rabidus 311 May 31 21:33:48 1/0 rules all May 31 21:34:02 MohammadAG, i'm getting flash libs from android =))))))) May 31 21:34:20 ZogG, right... May 31 21:34:24 i wish i could dual boot win 98, mainly for games May 31 21:34:27 you expect that to work? May 31 21:34:30 well May 31 21:34:31 MohammadAG meh, it;s old flash =( May 31 21:34:43 you expect it to work with microb? May 31 21:35:03 MohammadAG i expect mirracle May 31 21:35:05 i saw a win98 emulator written in flash :) May 31 21:35:10 ZogG, flash 10 on fryo is mainly flash 9 + some fixes + a version bump May 31 21:35:16 it would be nice playing DotA with it :P May 31 21:35:19 it doesn't have HW acceleration May 31 21:35:40 yet May 31 21:35:50 ZogG, mirracles don't happen nowadays May 31 21:35:52 MohammadAG, how do you know? May 31 21:36:00 you are jealous May 31 21:36:03 google it :) May 31 21:36:10 pupnik: bsod? May 31 21:36:10 MohammadAG google is evil May 31 21:36:16 bing it May 31 21:36:23 Bing May 31 21:36:33 infobot, you're supposed to Bong back May 31 21:36:46 lol May 31 21:36:52 maybe lunch time? :P May 31 21:37:01 ~bing May 31 21:37:02 from memory, bing is an Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester May 31 21:37:07 lol May 31 21:37:19 lol May 31 21:37:19 ~ding May 31 21:37:20 dong May 31 21:37:38 ~ping May 31 21:37:39 ~pong May 31 21:37:51 XD May 31 21:38:20 ~hey May 31 21:38:21 hey is, like, almost for horses May 31 21:38:30 WT... May 31 21:39:26 ~ping May 31 21:39:27 ~pong May 31 21:39:32 ~pong May 31 21:39:33 ~ping May 31 21:39:45 ~bye May 31 21:39:46 l8tr May 31 21:39:53 ~l8tr May 31 21:40:00 ~stupid May 31 21:40:01 stupid is probably http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif May 31 21:40:08 * MohammadAG suggests switching to PM May 31 21:40:09 lol May 31 21:40:26 lol May 31 21:40:32 ~PM May 31 21:40:33 hmm... pm is project manager, or private message, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission May 31 21:41:19 infobot: pm? May 31 21:41:20 somebody said pm was project manager, or private message, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission May 31 21:41:39 duh.. May 31 21:41:59 #maemo is logged, that ^ spams the logs :) May 31 21:42:07 ~query May 31 21:42:08 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query apt" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) May 31 21:43:27 MohammadAG: just having some fun :) May 31 21:43:53 I'm not an op, but we don't want to make DocScrutinizer51 angry do we :) May 31 21:44:52 we have 5 docs on :P May 31 21:46:49 is there a way to partition n900? if so, would it be possible to create a FAT32 partition and install win98 in it? May 31 21:47:19 night May 31 21:47:36 yes May 31 21:48:07 gn ZogG May 31 21:48:23 DocScrutinizer51: have you seen something like that? May 31 21:49:05 wow, infobot is retarded May 31 21:49:15 i think someone made win run under bochs May 31 21:50:12 is it a program? May 31 21:52:42 lol DocScrutinizer51 May 31 21:53:05 you can also install CP/M on a n900 partition! May 31 21:53:38 MOUD: do you have win98 for ARM processors? May 31 21:53:47 anybody here tried video streaming from mediatomb? May 31 21:54:00 SwedeMike: no May 31 21:54:44 that's what bochs and qemu are for May 31 21:54:57 then I don't see the need for a separate partition? May 31 21:55:51 i was thinking about dual boot win98 for max performance but didnt think that win98 is incompatible with ARM processors May 31 21:57:36 where do i get qemu May 31 21:57:43 MOUD: on the internet May 31 21:58:14 what is the "Charging" sound effect called May 31 21:58:20 ok, tks May 31 21:58:46 ui-charging maybe? May 31 21:58:47 sec May 31 21:58:49 moud talk.maemo.org has a thread about it May 31 21:59:16 pupnik: tks, i'll check it now May 31 21:59:18 but almost nobody does it - too slow May 31 21:59:21 close May 31 21:59:23 /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav May 31 21:59:32 thanks much MohammadAG May 31 21:59:39 sorry, scratch bochs. prolly was false May 31 21:59:39 np May 31 21:59:59 scratchbochs sucks May 31 22:01:06 MohammadAG: sucks when the usb connector is flaky and the charging sound comes on 50 times a minute May 31 22:01:38 machine gun sound May 31 22:02:34 MOUD: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42195 May 31 22:03:15 i should run win95 on here too May 31 22:04:41 wohoo! it's dead, jim! May 31 22:04:54 pupnik: tks for the link :) May 31 22:05:23 is that where the cast of star-trek work out Myrtti ? May 31 22:05:59 pupnik: intranet, xmpp and email just bite the dust for a moment... not that I was working or anything at this ungodly hour, but... May 31 22:06:26 probably electric problems :-( May 31 22:11:52 sorry to hear it Myrtti. interesting this xmpp thing... May 31 22:18:13 i installed bochs but i cant find the icon to run it May 31 22:21:38 why on Earth would anyone use bochs? May 31 22:21:56 to try it out? :P May 31 22:22:39 so... how can i run it? May 31 22:23:03 i'm not sure if bochs is maybe a console emulator May 31 22:23:21 arcade console May 31 22:24:30 chirp chirp May 31 22:30:36 so... what happened to the new ovi store? May 31 22:30:58 it broke May 31 22:31:03 was there any? May 31 22:31:20 DocScrutinizer51: no, it's a pre-qemu x86 emulator May 31 22:31:21 it should be released/was released briefly May 31 22:32:29 I'd be much more interested in szncing ovi contacts May 31 22:32:44 syncing even May 31 22:33:11 night all May 31 22:33:26 51? May 31 22:33:53 /quit May 31 22:33:54 id like to have ovi maps finally doing turn by turn navigation on my n900 :) May 31 22:34:09 midas_: use sygic May 31 22:34:36 is it free? May 31 22:34:47 ovi store was such a disgusting experience, I couldn't be bothered to revisit it any time soon May 31 22:35:12 midas_: on torrents May 31 22:35:29 hehe May 31 22:35:59 luke-jr: heh so I was right May 31 22:36:00 but really May 31 22:36:07 you don't want turn by turn on n900 May 31 22:36:16 it drains battery too fast May 31 22:36:18 damn lags. and then 20 post at once May 31 22:36:40 jacekowski: if you're in a car, it can be plugged in May 31 22:36:52 yep indeed May 31 22:36:54 well, you need holder for it May 31 22:36:58 better speaker May 31 22:37:03 you might as well buy proper sat nav May 31 22:37:15 and my brodit active holder has that budfive :) May 31 22:37:29 with bigger screen, and better gps May 31 22:37:49 http://www.brodit.com/productinformation.jsp?anr=512099&sortiment=null May 31 22:37:50 composite out is probably fine for the screen actually May 31 22:37:51 DocScrutinizer51, that's psm for ya :) May 31 22:37:59 bah May 31 22:38:18 for a bandaid it'd be great May 31 22:38:36 DocScrutinizer51, other channel May 31 22:41:27 I've got a repo/dependencies problem. Anyone here a wiz? May 31 22:42:15 MohammadAG: thanks May 31 22:42:18 just ask May 31 22:43:38 DocScrutinizer51, np :) May 31 22:44:32 I'm using libpoppler with the qt bindings and the package http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libpoppler-qt4-dev/0.12.2-2maemo0/ May 31 22:44:54 claims to have a missing dependency, but only in armel target May 31 22:45:19 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-dev/ May 31 22:45:36 It actually exists and i'm not sure why it says it's unmet May 31 22:45:53 maybe it needs specific version or somethign May 31 22:47:08 It shows version requirements in the package page May 31 22:47:12 it doesn't have any May 31 22:47:33 plus that doesn't really explain why it is happy on x86 target May 31 22:48:24 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/libpoppler-qt4-dev/0.12.2-2maemo0/ May 31 22:51:22 midas_: I love that holder. If you pair it with their car specific mount, it is such a clean look May 31 22:57:28 please, guys. I would like to backup the whole original disk to recover it in case of some mistake May 31 22:57:44 how can I do this? Is it possible to open n900 eh put the disk in a normal pc? May 31 22:57:55 s/eh/and May 31 22:58:05 / ? May 31 22:58:16 no May 31 22:58:17 em disk? May 31 22:58:42 the 32GB MMC can be easily backed up May 31 22:58:47 astruasdh: you can always restore it May 31 22:58:50 just plug the usb port in May 31 22:59:03 and /opt can be copied to an ext2/3 card May 31 22:59:12 useless if you erase / May 31 22:59:27 Also the backup app handles app data May 31 22:59:28 besides, have they fixed non vfat card support? May 31 22:59:37 or is it still hardcoded to vfat? May 31 22:59:45 I wanna backup the maemo itself, in order to restore the whole / May 31 22:59:55 dd if=/dev/disk of=backup May 31 22:59:58 something like this May 31 22:59:59 astruasdh: go to tablets-dev May 31 23:00:01 not possible, easily May 31 23:00:10 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ May 31 23:00:17 jacekowski, he wants a full rootfs backup, that doesn't help May 31 23:00:17 astruasdh: and type your imei May 31 23:00:18 easier to backup data and reflash if needed May 31 23:00:25 actually May 31 23:00:28 dd worked for me May 31 23:00:31 astruasdh: it will give you all images required for it May 31 23:00:44 but the image was f'd up May 31 23:00:48 so it stopped at 50 percent or so May 31 23:00:57 don't forget to backup contacts, cause i have, it was painfull May 31 23:01:01 you'll need to do it outside maemo May 31 23:01:06 there is also another problem: to recover May 31 23:01:10 using another OS May 31 23:01:21 MohammadAG: never use dd on rw mounted fs May 31 23:01:25 flasher-3.5 -r imageyoumadeusingdd -f May 31 23:01:34 jacekowski, you didn't see what i wrote May 31 23:01:37 if you dd inside a running maemo, and the crash makes you unable to boot maemo, it will be impossible to recover May 31 23:01:44 I said you have to use another os May 31 23:01:53 astruasdh: that's why you have flasher May 31 23:02:03 /dev/mtd5 can be recovered May 31 23:02:05 astruasdh: and you flash it using original os images over usb May 31 23:02:11 and how i will recover? May 31 23:02:15 through usb? May 31 23:02:21 yes May 31 23:02:26 ~flashing May 31 23:02:27 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 31 23:02:34 usb give me full access to the disk!?!?!? May 31 23:02:43 no... May 31 23:02:54 so usb does not solve my problem May 31 23:02:55 I said you need to use dd outside of maemo for that May 31 23:02:57 astruasdh: yes May 31 23:02:59 lol May 31 23:03:01 install fedora or something May 31 23:03:06 ya May 31 23:03:07 of course May 31 23:03:08 astruasdh: usb will give you full access to disk May 31 23:03:10 jacekowski, he can't backup rootfs over usb May 31 23:03:11 dd outside maemo May 31 23:03:12 gor it May 31 23:03:30 but how can I acccess the n900's disk outside maaemo? May 31 23:03:32 that is my question May 31 23:03:36 fedora May 31 23:03:37 astruasdh: from bootloader May 31 23:03:43 if I can plut the flash in my notebook, I can easily backup May 31 23:03:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora May 31 23:03:54 astruasdh: you don't have to back it up May 31 23:03:58 if i remembered the url correctly May 31 23:04:18 astruasdh: everything required to recover completly wiped phones is on tablets-dev website May 31 23:04:18 jacekowski, some people find redownloading + restoring one pain in the arse May 31 23:04:47 dd'ing /dev/mtd5 to some image would be easier & faster May 31 23:04:56 jacekowski, why not??? if I wanna remove all the / and install my own linux distro, for example... I need to recover it later in case of some trouble May 31 23:05:18 I want /dev/mtd is it possible? May 31 23:05:19 you can't install a distro to / afaik May 31 23:05:23 astruasdh: then you do it using flasher May 31 23:05:27 to backup yes... but how do recover? May 31 23:05:37 no.. May 31 23:05:39 astruasdh: flasher May 31 23:05:42 I can damage even the bootloader May 31 23:05:44 to resotre you use flasher May 31 23:05:47 astruasdh: you can't May 31 23:05:51 jacekowski, you're missing something May 31 23:06:06 astruasdh: bootloader can't be broken May 31 23:06:06 he can erase /dev/mtd0 and f up his device May 31 23:06:13 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd bs=512 count=1 May 31 23:06:17 this will erase the bootloader May 31 23:06:21 excuse my spam May 31 23:06:22 and now? how to recover in such a scenario? May 31 23:06:29 dev: size erasesize name May 31 23:06:30 flasher May 31 23:06:30 mtd0: 00020000 00020000 "bootloader" May 31 23:06:30 mtd1: 00060000 00020000 "config" May 31 23:06:30 mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "log" May 31 23:06:30 mtd3: 00200000 00020000 "kernel" May 31 23:06:33 mtd4: 00200000 00020000 "initfs" May 31 23:06:33 mtd5: 0fb40000 00020000 "rootfs" May 31 23:06:40 erase mtd0, and you're f'd May 31 23:06:42 is it writable? May 31 23:06:51 why wouldn't it be May 31 23:07:13 anyways i don't have experience with serial ports or jTag May 31 23:07:21 so I'm not going to try it May 31 23:07:50 and flasher can't backup May 31 23:07:54 it can only restore May 31 23:09:32 according to google May 31 23:09:33 i understood nothing hehe. my question is: can I plug the flash directly in my notebook to dd if=/dev/nokia_flash of=backup? May 31 23:09:37 you can't fuck up bootloader May 31 23:09:53 yeah, how to RRALLY brick N900 May 31 23:09:53 why not? is it a read only memory? May 31 23:09:55 it's in mask rom of cpu May 31 23:09:59 b-man fucked up his bootloader May 31 23:10:06 on the N800 May 31 23:10:11 if it was a writable memory, it is easy to fuck bootloader with dd hehe May 31 23:10:36 i doubt it was 'fixed' in the N900 May 31 23:10:39 jacekowski: uh? why not? May 31 23:10:56 jacekowski: for sure not May 31 23:11:01 hmm May 31 23:11:27 DocScrutinizer51: accorging to google messing up with mtd0 will not brick device May 31 23:11:37 jacekowski, dd if/dev/0 (change it) of=/evd/mdt0 May 31 23:11:40 you can reflash it after that May 31 23:11:41 i crippled the command May 31 23:11:42 but May 31 23:11:49 mtd1 will brick it May 31 23:11:49 I will install my own Debian through the same easy-chroot technique... and I'm afraid to fuck something May 31 23:11:51 on purpose May 31 23:12:01 jacekowski: maybe no sure ther is a mini bootloader to work over TTY(!) May 31 23:12:36 my point stands, the N900 is brickable May 31 23:12:55 hmm May 31 23:13:01 how evil would that be May 31 23:13:10 if you erase the bootloader i doubt you can even tty May 31 23:13:19 i could just add some bricking code to chromium package May 31 23:13:31 flashing using serial should work though May 31 23:13:43 MohammadAG: YOU can't - *I* can May 31 23:13:45 before it would get taken down at least 100s of phones would be bricked May 31 23:13:47 jacekowski, you need R&D mode afaik May 31 23:13:57 MohammadAG: no, you don't - just to be root May 31 23:14:14 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd0 is the nice way May 31 23:14:21 err May 31 23:14:34 i recall DocScrutinizer51 telling me NOT to post commands like that here May 31 23:14:40 moo SpeedEvil May 31 23:14:44 well - probably a bad idea May 31 23:14:46 don't do that May 31 23:14:48 hmm, i can create small package called Brick with description - this will brick your device May 31 23:14:49 yep May 31 23:14:53 see above, where i crippled the command :) May 31 23:15:13 You can also set the battery voltage to 4.44V - which probably won't make it explode. May 31 23:15:21 with dd is easy to fuck what you need and is writable May 31 23:15:24 And instantly kill stuff by overvoltaging it May 31 23:15:30 please create no c+p fatality option May 31 23:15:55 yeah May 31 23:16:11 * SpeedEvil erases the above line with dd. May 31 23:16:21 * SpeedEvil passes round the tippex. May 31 23:16:21 c+p? May 31 23:16:25 child + porn? May 31 23:16:41 No. May 31 23:16:46 * SpeedEvil sighs. May 31 23:16:47 copy and paste you perv :P May 31 23:16:51 haha May 31 23:16:53 * SpeedEvil hits jacekowski with 4chan. May 31 23:17:06 is msn butterfly or haze better? May 31 23:17:11 fbi will jail all of u hehe May 31 23:17:25 my experience with internet tells me to assume the worst May 31 23:17:52 been using butterfly, and seems there is a bug where my own messages not showing up in the ui are being sent May 31 23:18:09 seems to happen if the message is quite short May 31 23:18:54 astruasdh: i'm not under fbi jurisdiction May 31 23:19:26 neither do i hehe. so we can talk safely about c+p "dark" meaning :P May 31 23:20:03 jacekowski: happy awakening when the black heli lands in your garden :-P May 31 23:20:36 shit May 31 23:20:43 since when i have garden? May 31 23:20:49 haha May 31 23:20:59 they will bring one May 31 23:21:10 and drop it prior to landing May 31 23:21:25 i can hide under it May 31 23:21:53 solution! May 31 23:36:20 Damn... Playing Dune2 on N900 is addictive... I rally should go to sleep :/ May 31 23:37:35 hmm May 31 23:48:01 ok seriously May 31 23:48:16 is there some other devel repo i should be using with 1.2? May 31 23:48:34 the one on repositories.maemo.org isnt working May 31 23:48:45 isnt working means? May 31 23:48:49 hey guys. I'm trying debootstrap to install a new arm debian in my x86 notebook. The idea is to put such an image in the n900 to use the easy-chroot May 31 23:48:51 (works for me) May 31 23:49:00 means 404 not found May 31 23:49:05 have any of u done that? May 31 23:49:41 cehteh: you just chose install from repositories.maemo.org and it works? May 31 23:49:44 astruasdh: you want some emulator (like the scratchbox based sdk) May 31 23:49:58 Macer: i have it registered since ages May 31 23:50:07 i keep getting 404 errors from app manager May 31 23:50:58 Nokia-N900:~# grep extras-devel /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list May 31 23:50:58 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free May 31 23:51:08 ceesco, with debootstrap, as I read, it is possible to install a cross-platform debian May 31 23:51:09 Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/non-free Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 198.63.203.27 80] May 31 23:51:11 I'm trying it now May 31 23:51:12 maybe its down now? May 31 23:51:38 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free May 31 23:51:44 for 2 days? May 31 23:51:48 ;) May 31 23:51:59 whats the line in your sources.list file? May 31 23:52:07 see the grep above May 31 23:53:06 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free May 31 23:53:16 hm May 31 23:53:27 -1.2 May 31 23:53:33 remove it May 31 23:53:43 (very) long shot, I can't find anything at all on this.. but does anyone know how to change the virtual keyboard plugin used, relating to hildon-input-method? May 31 23:53:52 devel has no -1.2 specific dir May 31 23:54:21 it doesnt have that in app manager as a component May 31 23:54:26 w00t_, check the pre-PR1.1 hack to see which files it uses May 31 23:54:33 i can do it manually i suppose May 31 23:54:38 MohammadAG51: this is news to me, so :P May 31 23:54:51 Macer: i read something that the / at the end makes a difference May 31 23:54:59 w00t_: htere was a thread on tmo as of about a week ago that diddn't have positive resulyts yet May 31 23:55:25 SpeedEvil: mind digging it up for me? May 31 23:55:30 all my repos work May 31 23:55:37 (if it's not possible, ignore) May 31 23:56:27 umm May 31 23:56:38 * SpeedEvil ponders the awesomeba May 31 23:56:39 r May 31 23:57:12 hmm.. May 31 23:57:23 there is a gconf key, /apps/osso/inputmethod/input_method_plugin.. May 31 23:57:44 but apparantly that's for stylus stuff, on googling further May 31 23:58:01 (because that name of course makes me think it's stylus related.) May 31 23:58:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40619&page=2 May 31 23:58:13 * MohammadAG wonders if his reply to w00t_ went through May 31 23:58:16 battery went dry May 31 23:58:33 MohammadAG51: you mentioned an old hack, i said i didn't know of it May 31 23:58:45 cehteh: no.it keeps adding -1.2 to it May 31 23:58:49 power search May 31 23:58:54 in application manager May 31 23:58:54 ~botsnack May 31 23:58:54 thanks, DocScrutinizer51 May 31 23:58:57 and use hildon-im-recache May 31 23:58:59 hahh May 31 23:59:06 Macer: i saied the / .. the -1.2 here works for me May 31 23:59:18 where does application manager get its sources.list? May 31 23:59:20 i updated half an hour ago or so, lemme try now May 31 23:59:26 the trailing / ? Jun 01 00:00:02 there is a regression in the application manager :O Jun 01 00:00:07 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ Jun 01 00:00:11 ~nuke Jun 01 00:00:12 Cockroach. I win. Jun 01 00:00:18 in 1.1 you could change how the apps get sortet in 1.2 you cant oO Jun 01 00:00:32 that is what i have for the address Jun 01 00:00:32 ah mine has no -1.2 for the extras-devel Jun 01 00:00:34 i want the apps get ordered by name again ;_; Jun 01 00:00:48 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free Jun 01 00:00:54 exactly like that works for me Jun 01 00:00:57 cehteh: well. application manager is getting it from somewhere Jun 01 00:01:18 yeah i added mine long ago Jun 01 00:01:26 Nokia-N900:/etc/apt# cat sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Jun 01 00:01:40 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free Jun 01 00:01:40 dont paste that all here :) Jun 01 00:01:45 someone else mentioned app manager sorting order being inverted. it should be investigated Jun 01 00:01:50 want my list? Jun 01 00:01:53 damn nick Jun 01 00:01:59 i dont know why the 1.2 keeps coming back Jun 01 00:02:08 i tried to remove it manually Jun 01 00:02:10 no idea :) Jun 01 00:02:10 with vi Jun 01 00:02:27 church of vim Jun 01 00:02:29 prolly the app-manager keeps it in gconf or somewhere else too Jun 01 00:02:56 worse than scientology Jun 01 00:03:06 hail emacs Jun 01 00:03:12 indeed doc Jun 01 00:03:13 aha! Jun 01 00:03:23 /apps/osso/inputmethod/default-plugins/ looks useful Jun 01 00:03:24 gconf? Jun 01 00:03:25 * w00t_ toys Jun 01 00:03:26 wtf Jun 01 00:03:28 :) Jun 01 00:03:37 let me add it manually Jun 01 00:03:44 just a guess :) Jun 01 00:04:06 hail vim \o/ Jun 01 00:04:43 all over the place are we Jun 01 00:04:54 cehteh what order is it in Jun 01 00:05:11 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=692718#post692718 :(( Jun 01 00:05:35 and did you used to mess with the sort order in previous 1.1 system Jun 01 00:05:55 well I heard there are guys who say all raytracers are evil and they prefer coding RGB for each voxel by hand ;-P Jun 01 00:06:08 hm Jun 01 00:06:09 http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1875129 Jun 01 00:06:13 that works for me Jun 01 00:06:21 adding it manually seems to have worked Jun 01 00:06:30 how very intuitive, it ignored the setting for 'finger', 'stylus' seems to have worked Jun 01 00:06:37 now.. why is my vkb not working Jun 01 00:07:00 someone needs to fix the install link on maemo.org maybe? Jun 01 00:07:12 becauseof leading V? Jun 01 00:07:33 cure did you reboot after dwapping folder Jun 01 00:07:43 yes Jun 01 00:07:46 every time Jun 01 00:07:52 mm Jun 01 00:08:01 * w00t_ headdesks Jun 01 00:08:04 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4730 Jun 01 00:08:05 Bug 4730: hildon_im_ui_button_set_active() undefined. Jun 01 00:08:17 now why do I have old example code. Jun 01 00:08:30 hi everyone....i just bought my n900 3 days ago...i want to know how can i add a contact to the desktop Jun 01 00:08:40 cos its bank holiday monday w00t Jun 01 00:08:47 it just doesnt seem to eat the 1.1 db Jun 01 00:08:48 no, it is now tuesday Jun 01 00:08:59 and I wasn't on holiday anyway, saving it for later :-P Jun 01 00:09:22 hamoor click the edit desktop nobble then click the menu and select add contact Jun 01 00:09:32 * lcuk is on holiday Jun 01 00:09:41 but i cant sleep Jun 01 00:10:05 awesome Jun 01 00:10:12 devel is working again Jun 01 00:10:15 cehteh, done. with debootstrap I installed a fresh Debian in an image for arm arch. Now I need to chroot in such an image in the arm machine (n900) and run /debootstrap/debootstrap --seconnd-strage to finish the instalation Jun 01 00:10:23 now i can get openarena going again heh Jun 01 00:10:25 lol that was too easy....thanks lcuk :D Jun 01 00:10:28 cehteh, this way I have my own Debian image to use with easy-chroot Jun 01 00:11:00 damn, we got the better TV (PAL) we got the better 2G (GSM GPRS) and for 3G we adopt the battery eating BS from the losers Jun 01 00:11:06 \o hamoor if only all issues were as simple. hope you are enjoying device Jun 01 00:11:20 DocScrutinizer: huh? Jun 01 00:11:31 i have ext3 everywhere also considering to chroot the easy-debian instead using this file image, but currently i dont even have it installed Jun 01 00:11:31 WCDMA Jun 01 00:11:32 better tv? haha Jun 01 00:11:57 isnt the difference between ntsc and pal like... 2 scanlines? Jun 01 00:12:01 :) Jun 01 00:12:03 yep very much :) Jun 01 00:12:10 hah Jun 01 00:12:11 w00t_ can you open a pm window i cant see how using keyboard only Jun 01 00:12:15 sure Jun 01 00:12:17 no there are major diferences Jun 01 00:12:32 completely different color signals Jun 01 00:12:37 Macer: no, it's fairly major Jun 01 00:12:46 Macer: The colour subcarrier is completely different Jun 01 00:12:48 Macer: nah. gues why NTSC means 'never twice same color" Jun 01 00:12:49 lcuk: code bt keyboard support into the settings app Jun 01 00:12:50 other framerate .. and different resolution Jun 01 00:12:52 Macer: the bandwidths are similar Jun 01 00:12:53 cehteh, I have a brand new n900. I installed just 1 app: the flash light Jun 01 00:13:27 I installed catorise. Jun 01 00:13:32 not a major difference in frame rate either i thought Jun 01 00:13:39 I have filled the /opt Jun 01 00:13:46 Macer: 50 vs 60 half-frames Jun 01 00:13:49 /s Jun 01 00:13:52 btw even the scanlines are +100 Jun 01 00:13:54 macer 900 and not knowing irc doesnt matter often enough Jun 01 00:14:05 pal is 50 fields per second, ntsc is almost (by a odd margin) 60 Jun 01 00:14:17 lcuk: huh? Jun 01 00:14:30 i need it for openoffice :) Jun 01 00:14:32 (not exactly 60 because of historic rasins) Jun 01 00:14:45 and build a cups pkg while youre at it Jun 01 00:14:59 * Macer finishes his list to santa lcuk Jun 01 00:15:16 color subsampling in ntsc and pal are also different Jun 01 00:15:49 i dont count interlaced as 60 Jun 01 00:16:07 60 half frames is misleading Jun 01 00:16:23 I'm really a bit afraid of having malwares in extra softwares, like the flashlight. what do u think? Jun 01 00:16:45 the led flashlight is great Jun 01 00:16:47 heh Jun 01 00:16:55 lolmacer Jun 01 00:17:01 :) Jun 01 00:17:08 well.. it is Jun 01 00:17:19 Macer: I suggest wikipedia Jun 01 00:17:23 it is bright as hell and not just some white screen Jun 01 00:18:00 60 half frames / s is absolutely correct for ntsc Jun 01 00:18:02 macer sure but it doesnt work on my 810 ;) Jun 01 00:18:05 ya, it is very nice! I don't know if it can, in some way, fuck the leds that ware concepted to be used sometimes as a flash Jun 01 00:18:16 DocScrutinizer: no, it's not Jun 01 00:18:23 lcuk: you dont have an n900? Jun 01 00:18:29 DocScrutinizer: it's 59.9998 or something Jun 01 00:18:32 astruasdh: there is led controller that limits current Jun 01 00:18:38 okokokok Jun 01 00:18:39 It's to make the colour subcarrier lineup or something Jun 01 00:18:41 haha Jun 01 00:18:54 i have more than 1 device liqbase was born on my 810 and initially optimised for it Jun 01 00:19:13 jacekowski, so can I safely use the flashlightr? Jun 01 00:19:23 lcuk: make glesliqbase :-P Jun 01 00:19:32 quit clinging onto the past Jun 01 00:19:34 would be slower Jun 01 00:19:41 liar! Jun 01 00:19:45 :) Jun 01 00:19:47 no i aint Jun 01 00:19:53 then ditch liqbase Jun 01 00:19:57 astruasdh: yes Jun 01 00:20:03 and make hw accdelerated stuff Jun 01 00:20:11 like normal people Jun 01 00:20:18 jacekowski, can I get flashlight code somewhere? Jun 01 00:20:19 what do you think ive been doing for last few months. working directly on fremantle Jun 01 00:20:21 :) Jun 01 00:20:25 oh Jun 01 00:20:25 now totally screwed crap Jun 01 00:20:31 ok.. my bad :) Jun 01 00:20:38 :) Jun 01 00:20:47 astruasdh: you can setup the 'extras' repository, and install lots of stuff. Jun 01 00:20:54 DocScrutinizer: 60000/1001 Hz :) Jun 01 00:20:55 astruasdh: and yes, it's safe Jun 01 00:21:03 omfg Jun 01 00:21:09 us nerds Jun 01 00:21:16 then make a 3D portrait stretching to landscape with scaling icons desktop! Jun 01 00:21:26 astruasdh: yes Jun 01 00:21:28 astruasdh: repository Jun 01 00:21:33 * Macer hides Jun 01 00:21:39 with compositing Jun 01 00:21:41 important when you program video software :P Jun 01 00:21:43 :) Jun 01 00:22:01 you dont want to drift your fames out of time Jun 01 00:22:08 macer you mean like my beyond portait but in something else? Jun 01 00:22:15 are extra apps verified by maemo team? Jun 01 00:22:25 yes Jun 01 00:22:25 beyond portrait? Jun 01 00:22:26 so WHY T* F* we adopted UMTS wich is that loserms stuff of wcdma? Jun 01 00:22:26 no Jun 01 00:22:35 10 times, QA team Jun 01 00:22:37 if maemo team == community, then yeah Jun 01 00:22:40 whats that? Jun 01 00:22:44 which we are the maemo team Jun 01 00:23:00 lcuk: nobody found anything in chromium so far Jun 01 00:23:23 lcuk: so i wouldn't leave QA to community Jun 01 00:23:23 lcuk: whats beyond portrait? the rotating liq based thing ? Jun 01 00:23:30 When NTSC color was introduced in 1953, the older rate of 60 fields per second was reduced by a factor of 1000/1001 to avoid interference between the chroma subcarrier and the broadcast sound carrier. Jun 01 00:23:32 yeah Jun 01 00:23:33 that was pretty neat Jun 01 00:23:36 I'm asking this because, if anyone can put apps in extra, it will be easy to have some malwares there Jun 01 00:23:39 :) Jun 01 00:23:54 extras apps are usually open-source. Jun 01 00:23:57 you working on making it the new maemo desktop? Jun 01 00:24:02 jace then test it and find problems Jun 01 00:24:08 oh... i just lost "the game" Jun 01 00:24:08 cehteh: but ntsc uses something strange like 23.9something fps Jun 01 00:24:14 that would be so awesome Jun 01 00:24:19 They have to be checked by 10 people for functionality and stuff, then there has to be a 10 day delay, and then they go into extras. Jun 01 00:24:26 There is however no formal code review. Jun 01 00:24:26 rotating icons that always stay upright Jun 01 00:24:28 jacekowski: nope that what i saied above 60000/1001 Jun 01 00:24:34 * lcuk sleeps anyway Jun 01 00:24:38 So if someone chooses to put malware in, they can. Jun 01 00:24:44 much like with apple, or android. Jun 01 00:24:46 i only wanted to idle rly Jun 01 00:24:50 haha Jun 01 00:24:54 gnite Jun 01 00:24:55 hmmm Jun 01 00:24:55 good night lcuk Jun 01 00:24:59 although Jun 01 00:25:00 night. Jun 01 00:25:05 sleep is a crutch Jun 01 00:25:07 :) Jun 01 00:25:18 SpeedEvil, should I avoid installing extra apps because of malwares? Jun 01 00:25:22 * SpeedEvil grabs his crutch. Jun 01 00:25:27 haha Jun 01 00:25:33 malwares in the main repo? Jun 01 00:25:35 it is 7pm here Jun 01 00:25:46 astruasdh: I have never had any issues with any malware - nor as far as I'm aware has anyone. Jun 01 00:26:00 MohammadAG51: non-intentional malware :) .. looking at how much things there dont work :) Jun 01 00:26:04 the apps pass a 10 vote QA and a 10 day quarintine, which frals thinks should be longer Jun 01 00:26:22 ~hail cehteh Jun 01 00:26:23 * infobot bows down to cehteh and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 01 00:26:32 Oh - cehteh. Jun 01 00:26:35 That reminds me. Jun 01 00:26:45 how do I get my xchat hildon banners back Jun 01 00:26:54 huh? Jun 01 00:27:03 how did you lost them? Jun 01 00:27:09 dosbox? haha Jun 01 00:27:11 I upgraded I think Jun 01 00:27:13 i mean i reflashed my device and still have them Jun 01 00:27:18 or reinstalled Jun 01 00:27:18 SpeedEvil: was that a ETAB, meant to rst38 ? Jun 01 00:27:19 hmm Jun 01 00:27:20 hildon banners? Jun 01 00:27:23 * SpeedEvil ponders Jun 01 00:27:25 do people still use actual ms-dos? Jun 01 00:27:29 top bar? Jun 01 00:27:30 ty, guys :) Jun 01 00:27:32 ctrl enter Jun 01 00:27:33 Macer: yes Jun 01 00:27:38 other than the win "shell" ? Jun 01 00:27:42 DocScrutinizer: cehteh made a hildon-banner thing that works with xchat Jun 01 00:27:44 Macer: i encountered some PLCs that run dos Jun 01 00:27:50 wow Jun 01 00:27:53 Macer: and some of these are not so old Jun 01 00:27:53 ooh, my fault Jun 01 00:27:57 SpeedEvil: cat /home/user/.xchat2/maemo_notify.conf Jun 01 00:28:04 oh Jun 01 00:28:06 jacekowski: that is amazing Jun 01 00:28:07 those banners Jun 01 00:28:13 VIBRA_PATTERN PatternIRCMessage Jun 01 00:28:13 NOTIFY_MODE +bvld Jun 01 00:28:13 DIALOG_THROTTLE 2 1800 Jun 01 00:28:18 Macer: well, it's same reason why space shuttle flies on 40years old operating system and 40yo computer Jun 01 00:28:25 pick what you want from there :) Jun 01 00:28:33 jacekowski: why is that? Jun 01 00:28:34 Macer: because it's been tested and every fault has been fixed Jun 01 00:28:38 ah Jun 01 00:28:41 cat: can't open '/home/user/.xchat2/maemo_notify.conf': No such file or directory Jun 01 00:28:42 cya Jun 01 00:28:43 fair enough Jun 01 00:28:43 that'll do it Jun 01 00:28:46 Macer: new platform == repeating all QA process Jun 01 00:28:47 ty all Jun 01 00:29:13 jacekowski: i am sure a software bug on a space shuttle would be a little bit of a big deal Jun 01 00:29:39 Macer: There are 5 computers - and 2 different software stacks. Jun 01 00:29:40 ~/.xchat2 $ ls -l notify.sh Jun 01 00:29:42 -rwxr--r-- 1 user users 180 Dec 18 15:42 notify.sh Jun 01 00:29:52 SpeedEvil: not on space shuttle Jun 01 00:30:04 jacekowski: For the flight-control - yes Jun 01 00:30:04 SpeedEvil: there is one computer and one software Jun 01 00:30:04 DocScrutinizer: still using your old stuff? Jun 01 00:30:12 ~/.xchat2 $ cat notify.sh Jun 01 00:30:13 mine is in upstream since ages Jun 01 00:30:13 #!/bin/sh Jun 01 00:30:14 SpeedEvil: aircrafts do it like that Jun 01 00:30:15 play-sound $1 Jun 01 00:30:16 dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:PatternChatAndEmail Jun 01 00:30:24 you bet I do Jun 01 00:30:32 it JUST WORKS Jun 01 00:30:38 jacekowski: There are multiple redundant flight control computers. And in use they have actually failed in flight, and done the redundancy thing. Jun 01 00:30:41 well it had isses :) Jun 01 00:31:41 http://klabs.org/DEI/Processor/shuttle/ Jun 01 00:31:45 AND I bet it's smaller than calling any friggin libs and whatnot natively Jun 01 00:32:04 SpeedEvil: i posted some kindof documentation ages ago on tmo Jun 01 00:32:25 what's tmo ? ;-P Jun 01 00:32:40 t-mobile Jun 01 00:32:46 or talk.maemo.org Jun 01 00:32:51 jacekowski: Jun 01 00:33:20 DocScrutinizer: 11.5k well :) .. guess its not optimized for size anymore, i had it smaller once Jun 01 00:33:23 jacekowski: yeah - 5 computers - one quad redundant, and a backup Jun 01 00:34:22 http://klabs.org/images/shuttle/shuttle_board_kevin.jpg Jun 01 00:34:30 oldskool Jun 01 00:34:36 DocScrutinizer: but when you didnt disabled it explicitly its loaded in your xchat too since its default for quite some time now :P Jun 01 00:35:35 why is dosbox under games? Jun 01 00:35:37 cehteh: that's why I don't do any more updates to xchat. Don't want my precious ram crammed with useless shit (no offense) Jun 01 00:35:38 heh Jun 01 00:35:47 haha Jun 01 00:36:04 really i was very careful to make it small Jun 01 00:36:20 starting your script will require far more memory Jun 01 00:36:33 (and resources/cpu in general) Jun 01 00:36:53 for the moment it's executed - granted you're right it takes quite some ram Jun 01 00:37:45 but that ram is freed after 0.5s Jun 01 00:38:08 while your addon adds 11k of resident ram usage Jun 01 00:38:12 * cehteh doesnt think 11k are really a problem .. Jun 01 00:38:16 11k... Jun 01 00:38:23 Look at the stupid clock Jun 01 00:38:48 I don't see the advantage when I already got that notify.sh file. Jun 01 00:39:06 if I had to invent it, I'd say "so what?" Jun 01 00:39:14 it's just 11k Jun 01 00:39:54 Night Jun 01 00:40:30 but I stopped updating xchat when there was that crap of every highlight popping up a notification I had to click to make it vanish - that's actually mega BS Jun 01 00:40:54 I liked that Jun 01 00:41:22 haha you can disable it in the config Jun 01 00:41:22 now I'm so happy with what I have on xchat, and I couldn't bother less to update, given all the 'goodies' it would buy me Jun 01 00:41:31 * SpeedEvil wonders why DSME is using _7_ meg Jun 01 00:41:45 Does it do more than be a simple watchdog? Jun 01 00:42:04 i just turned on all bells and whistles by default to make users available of the features Jun 01 00:42:16 cehteh: why should I? just won't update Jun 01 00:42:25 5 clocks less Jun 01 00:42:26 yeah be happy Jun 01 00:42:30 clicks even Jun 01 00:43:12 SpeedEvil: sounds insane Jun 01 00:43:39 wfm Jun 01 00:43:53 ~wtf wfm Jun 01 00:43:55 WFM: works for me Jun 01 00:44:00 ugh Jun 01 00:44:26 7MB wfm?? o.O Jun 01 00:44:42 ? Jun 01 00:45:02 SpeedEvil wonders why DSME is using _7_ meg Jun 01 00:45:42 Oh Jun 01 00:46:03 I thought (01:43:12 AM) DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil: sounds insane was WRT the notification Jun 01 00:46:14 SpeedEvil: does the notify work now? .. not that when you want vibration and copied my config you have to configure PatternIRCMessage (by default it uses some standard vibra pattern) Jun 01 00:47:41 cehteh: I missed that - no I haven't done - what config? Jun 01 00:48:27 what i pasted above Jun 01 00:48:40 ah - sorry - missed it Jun 01 00:48:59 the all capitals stuff I refused to look at, I guess Jun 01 00:49:40 [2010-06-01 02:27:57] SpeedEvil: cat /home/user/.xchat2/maemo_notify.conf Jun 01 00:49:46 [2010-06-01 02:28:13] VIBRA_PATTERN PatternIRCMessage Jun 01 00:49:59 yes - I saw that now Jun 01 00:50:25 * SpeedEvil pokes N900evil Jun 01 00:50:50 http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1875149 in lack of doc, read the source Jun 01 00:51:15 :) Jun 01 00:51:17 Thanks Jun 01 00:51:51 the first 6 are actually commands you can use from scripts if you care (i just used them for testing) Jun 01 00:52:31 * DocScrutinizer edits notify.sh slightly, and selects im_notify.wav%sppedevil for audio to playback on a certain event, to get a different VIBRA_PATTERN whenever he likes :-P Jun 01 00:53:43 haha Jun 01 00:54:03 * cehteh was thinking about regex on events but i want to keep it small Jun 01 00:54:15 takes me 2 minutes and a smile Jun 01 00:54:31 and another megabyte :P Jun 01 00:54:59 lol, never Jun 01 00:55:14 maybe 200bytes Jun 01 00:55:48 yet alone the .wav is biggier Jun 01 00:58:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Mike_Gancarz:_The_UNIX_Philosophy Jun 01 00:58:37 and the .wav is there anyway Jun 01 01:07:03 how about writing some shell script around telnet to make an irc client instead xchat? :) Jun 01 01:07:16 actually i have a irc client in shell somewhere Jun 01 01:09:11 cehteh: I bet you're too late with your idea Jun 01 01:09:23 yeah i fetched it somewhere from the internet Jun 01 01:09:28 but I prefer xchat, for the GUI Jun 01 01:10:30 and as I suppose your notifications are nicely integrated into xchat's settings, it is a perfectly sensible approach Jun 01 01:11:22 it would be rather insane to try and edit the notify.sh to meet the settings in xchat Jun 01 01:12:05 and probably even take more prgram text to implement it Jun 01 01:13:50 yet if the code was segmented and would load the needed segment containing the notification bits just in case you selected any of the notify stuff in xchat setup, that would even more please me Jun 01 01:20:03 hmmm Jun 01 01:20:16 do you think it's possible to use the n900 as a camera Jun 01 01:20:18 good morning Jun 01 01:20:23 i mean video camera connected to my mac Jun 01 01:20:25 ? Jun 01 01:22:35 as a webcam? Jun 01 01:22:45 yeah Jun 01 01:22:59 yeah i dunno Jun 01 01:23:45 hi... is there an IRC channel where I can contact someone about evopedia? I would like to use evopedia to view an offline copy of another mediawiki wiki that isn't a wikipedia language. (actually it's from jimmy wales's wikia site) Jun 01 01:23:59 asking here since evopedia.info seems like it's maemo-focused Jun 01 01:29:00 matthew-: N900 uses quite standard means to handle video streams (v4l...) So the questions is just "can your mac use the N900's cam?" Jun 01 01:30:05 I bet vlc on mac can use the camera on N900 easily Jun 01 01:30:39 but I dunno if there's such a thing like vlc on mac Jun 01 01:30:59 DocScrutinizer: there is VLC Jun 01 01:31:22 but i mean, how to connect it? via usb? and then i would have to install the drivers somehow ? Jun 01 01:31:46 you don't need any drivers, if you use e.g gstreamer Jun 01 01:32:04 No I dont, but I can Jun 01 01:32:11 the drivers are inside N900 already. N900 is a fullsize linux system Jun 01 01:32:54 think of N900 as a ethernet camera, not a usb webcam Jun 01 01:33:20 Or someone could write a USB gadget driver Jun 01 01:33:26 so it would look like a USB webcam Jun 01 01:33:43 yeah, but how ugly and useless that effort Jun 01 01:34:54 DocScrutinizer: Ok, so the question is, how Jun 01 01:35:36 Or 'how would you stream a random linux boxes webcam to your mac' Jun 01 01:35:54 Yes Jun 01 01:36:01 maybe the most simple way would be to have a NFS mount to N900 /dev Jun 01 01:36:14 Doesn't work at all Jun 01 01:36:24 the device nodes are local Jun 01 01:36:30 was a shoot from the hip Jun 01 01:36:51 gstreamer thru ssh Jun 01 01:36:58 RTP stream Jun 01 01:37:06 socat Jun 01 01:37:25 no idea, really. depends on the client app Jun 01 01:37:30 I guess Jun 01 01:37:45 ok Jun 01 01:37:58 well the quality is far from what I want, so.. Just ignore it guys ;d Jun 01 01:38:49 damn, the quality of the 5Mp cam is far from what you want. I bet that's true :-P Jun 01 01:39:16 DocScrutinizer: Well i jsut recorded something and emailed it to myself Jun 01 01:39:19 to check the quality Jun 01 01:39:23 blah Jun 01 01:39:56 DocScrutinizer51: try mounting the N900 / to your system then to mke2fs /n900/here/dev/hda3 and see what happends ;) Jun 01 01:40:12 hmm, does anyone know which site has an rss feed of latest updated package? i remember seeing a list on the right hand side of a website, but i forgot what site it was? Jun 01 01:40:24 DocScrutinizer: and it's not about the Mps' i've got a panasonic hdc hs300eb-k with 3MP and well, it records in 1080i Jun 01 01:40:24 asj: I gues I won't do that Jun 01 01:40:57 DocScrutinizer: it's a learning experiance ;) Jun 01 01:41:20 asj: I stopped learning for this week Jun 01 01:42:05 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "remote scsii" Jun 01 01:42:48 hey guys it's 3:42 AM here Jun 01 01:43:39 prove it Jun 01 01:44:21 pigeon: sorry Jun 01 01:44:32 for what? Jun 01 01:44:40 no ideA Jun 01 01:44:52 DocScrutinizer: apology accepted then :) Jun 01 01:45:52 matthew-: that *is* about MPs Jun 01 01:45:55 * DocScrutinizer muses about luke-jr's general mindset. smells like nazi Jun 01 01:46:38 * pigeon is still waiting for the ovi store... Jun 01 01:47:04 matthew-: 1080i is never [much] more than 2 MP Jun 01 01:47:25 so 5 MP should always be more than sufficient for 1080i (or 1080p for that matter) Jun 01 01:48:00 though I have to wonder if N900's cam can really do 5 MP video Jun 01 01:48:15 nope it can't Jun 01 01:48:26 or it doesn't Jun 01 01:48:59 I guess there's a bottleneck somewhere Jun 01 01:49:46 "It is capable of video recording at up to 848 × 480 pixels at 25 fps." Jun 01 01:50:03 mgiht as well use the front-side one Jun 01 01:50:12 well it looks crap ;d Jun 01 01:50:21 my mac web-cam records it better ;d Jun 01 01:50:50 what's the difference between upstart and initng Jun 01 01:50:54 I mean, besides the implementation Jun 01 01:51:05 or is this just a case of Canonical not-invented-here syndrom? Jun 01 01:51:09 upstart is event driven Jun 01 01:51:24 and initng isn't? Jun 01 01:51:48 or it should be, though the way it's usually used today doesn't put that property to purpose very much Jun 01 01:52:30 they look like they serve the same purpose, except initng remains compatible with existing init scripts to a degree Jun 01 01:52:31 initng just runs scripts one after the other Jun 01 01:52:40 initng runs as much parallel as possible Jun 01 01:52:42 aiui Jun 01 01:52:58 yes, but it doesn't handle dependencies Jun 01 01:53:08 yes it does Jun 01 01:53:33 not like upstart does Jun 01 01:53:38 no? Jun 01 01:54:03 I dunno initng any better than I know init-v Jun 01 01:54:37 initng supports ServiceA being before/after/need/use ServiceB for dependency Jun 01 01:54:51 but init-v doesn't know about dependencies of one service finishing before you can start another, in the way upstart does Jun 01 01:55:07 sysv != initng Jun 01 01:55:57 anyway the way upstart is usually used it doesn't really perform up to its best Jun 01 01:56:13 it's usually used as a replacement for init Jun 01 01:56:35 and cron, apparently Jun 01 01:57:59 whatever. I remember upstart has a quite nice project homesite Jun 01 01:58:23 I found it worth reading Jun 01 01:59:13 hope it hasn't changed to the worse since I looked at it some 1..2 years ago Jun 01 02:01:08 hmm, i'm using maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py to install the sdk, and for custom installation, why is the list of users for the sdk install doesn't include the one i want? Jun 01 02:06:20 ah, great, it only shows >=1000 uid users. .. Jun 01 02:06:36 and i'm 500 Jun 01 02:10:16 ah, it uses /etc/adduser.conf, nice. Jun 01 02:15:13 can someone please go scorched earth on TMO? Jun 01 02:15:41 isn't that a 3D game? Jun 01 02:16:04 no, it's a civil war tactic where everything was burnt to the ground Jun 01 02:21:12 hello guys, i have nokia 95, is there theora support for this mobile ? Jun 01 02:28:40 No. Jun 01 02:28:43 Oh Jun 01 02:28:47 I have no idea. Jun 01 02:28:51 no support :( Jun 01 02:29:11 I skipped the end of the question, as I was assuming youwere asking f you could maemo it. Jun 01 02:29:11 i have real player in n95, why its not streaming 3gp video ? only asking to save Jun 01 02:29:40 :( all these media players for mobiles asking to save video so sad Jun 01 02:29:52 Sorry - this isn't really a sybian channel. Jun 01 02:30:02 I don't know if anyone happens to know. Jun 01 02:30:42 er ok thanks Jun 01 02:33:21 is there any app to convert things like meter in inches and degrees celcius in fahrenheit? :/ Jun 01 02:33:40 been googling a bit but could not really find anything Jun 01 02:35:27 Gh0sty: gonvert Jun 01 02:36:44 ha good, strange why that did not show up in the search results Jun 01 02:36:50 thx Jun 01 02:38:06 so, I'm in canuckistan. Wind are coming to vancouver this week and I'm considering switching. It seems like the n900 should be supported on its network but nokia don't sell/support the n900 here. If you were in my position would you wait for the next phone? Jun 01 02:38:51 which next phone? Jun 01 02:38:53 next maemo phone? Jun 01 02:39:11 well, whatever follows the n900 I suppose Jun 01 02:39:17 be it meego or whatever Jun 01 02:39:42 doc|home: it can be Nokia 1100 successor :D Jun 01 02:39:44 i don't think this will be anytime soon Jun 01 02:39:45 doc|home: how does wind make a difference? are they a real operator of an mvno? Jun 01 02:40:17 asj: they have their own network. They're not piggy backing anyone. Jun 01 02:40:38 wazd: you lost me :) Jun 01 02:41:02 doc|home: the n900 is 900mhz, 2100mhz (ignoring the tmobile crap), does that match up with Wind? Rogers is 850 I thought so no luck there Jun 01 02:41:34 it's kinda crappy that I can't even buy the thing here and expect to have support, and even if I did, it might become a dead end when meego properly comes along Jun 01 02:41:42 asj: they're aws Jun 01 02:42:02 doc|home: ah ok, well it's a dead end product as you state Jun 01 02:42:24 * doc|home nods Jun 01 02:42:27 but it's a pretty fun phone if you want linux in your pocket Jun 01 02:42:36 just wondering how long a person might expect to wait for its replacement Jun 01 02:42:49 I bought an openmoko freerunner about two years and still can't use the damn thing Jun 01 02:42:53 *two years ago Jun 01 02:42:58 I'd say long Jun 01 02:43:02 : Jun 01 02:43:08 :/ Jun 01 02:43:10 yeah 2 years probably Jun 01 02:43:21 or more Jun 01 02:43:23 shame Jun 01 02:43:45 it's almost like nokia wants to not capitalise on the good thing they have Jun 01 02:44:10 anyway, thanks for the replies Jun 01 02:44:22 doc|home: the n900 is a trial balloon I think Jun 01 02:44:39 ^ i agree Jun 01 02:44:40 seems kinda an odd way to run it Jun 01 02:44:57 "you can't buy it here, and you also won't have any OS upgrade route" :/ Jun 01 02:45:04 here = canada Jun 01 02:45:07 asus came uber-close to my tablet idea, bastards Jun 01 02:45:29 doc|home: what phone ever went through a real os upgrade? even the iphone 2g was dropped Jun 01 02:45:32 buuut, since it's asus, they don't have enough brain to think out of the boundaries :) Jun 01 02:46:12 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/31/asus-eee-tablet-preview/ Jun 01 02:46:19 asj: yep, but still, doing it about 6 months after you start selling the phone, with no replacement in sight seems a bit odd Jun 01 02:47:09 ewww that thing looks fugly Jun 01 02:47:29 doc|home: not really if you think about it, we knew there would be maemo6, no one expected it to run on the n900, why would we expect meego to as well? The n810 doesn't run maemo5... Jun 01 02:48:18 asj: yep, but some of the tablets did go through multiple OS versions Jun 01 02:48:42 doc|home: the tablets were way more niche than the n900 after all Jun 01 02:48:47 * doc|home nods Jun 01 02:49:22 obviously I'm not expecting all the same functionality, or speed advances, but some should be transferable I'd have thought Jun 01 02:50:24 doc|home: even if the next device were only a year away, do you want to run it on 2 year old hardware? (assuming the n900 was finalized 6mo before mass production) Jun 01 02:51:00 asj: sure, if it's usable Jun 01 02:51:18 it won't be much slower than the piece of junk I use now :) Jun 01 02:52:06 doc|home: the market isn't about "useable" it must perform great, at least as good as the original if not better, otherwise imagin the reviews. This also retricts the new OS to 256 meg / and do you want to limit that? Jun 01 02:52:33 and potentially keeps the current /opt -> /home/opt mess Jun 01 02:53:42 asj: I know things progress, but like I said, the tablets did a reasonable job of handling OS advances, so a person can hope Jun 01 02:54:37 doc|home: there's always community support ;) anyways I enjoy the n900 and had the option a couple of weeks ago of getting one to last the next 2 years and chose the n900 Jun 01 02:55:15 asj: yeah, community support is what I was relying on for the openmoko freerunner :( Jun 01 02:55:37 asj: I still haven't ruled out a n900. Just not sure yet either way. Jun 01 02:55:56 doc|home: not enough of a community, I wonder how many openmoko's were made? Jun 01 02:56:35 asj: I don't know if the number was ever said Jun 01 02:57:24 "This would give programmers as well as users complete freedom. Up to now the manufacturer has produced two models, the first has sold 3,000 units and the second one 10,000" Jun 01 02:57:47 the first one really was a dev machine though Jun 01 02:57:48 I wonder how those numbers compare to a nokia proto run ;) Jun 01 02:57:57 hah, they don't :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 01 02:59:57 2010