**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 03 02:59:57 2010 Jun 03 03:13:44 any way to make bluetooth volume louder? Jun 03 05:19:48 hmm ever since updating to pr1.2 I keep getting insufficient power on usb port warning every so often even though it worked without a problem on the same ports since the start Jun 03 05:20:57 normal computer usb ports or cheap laptop? Jun 03 05:23:08 http://gizmodo.com/5553906/british-airways-ad-implies-osama-bin-laden-is-a-frequent-flyer Jun 03 05:23:10 Priceless Jun 03 05:30:30 cehteh, normal ;) Jun 03 05:30:38 cehteh, some even on a powered usb hub ;) Jun 03 05:30:52 cehteh, anyway it's just odd... it still seems to be charging though Jun 03 05:30:57 some? multiple devices? Jun 03 05:31:06 i never got that warning Jun 03 05:31:25 erm sometimes Jun 03 05:33:01 cheap hardware is sometimes out of specs this includes cheap laptops/netbook and usb-hubs Jun 03 05:33:15 maybe the new firmware is just more picky about that Jun 03 05:34:54 well the hub wasn't exactly cheap... 30+ eur I think Jun 03 05:35:16 and it actually worked so far Jun 03 05:35:38 hehe i just removed the power cord from my hub and plugged the n900 in, and it charges without complaint (but accu was 100%full) Jun 03 05:37:16 charges without complaint as well here but in the middle of charging... maybe while I'm trying to check for mesages or calls it will spew out a notice about it Jun 03 05:37:20 still seems to go on charging Jun 03 05:37:30 just says insufficient power to charge battery Jun 03 05:38:21 i never seen that Jun 03 05:43:10 I've seen that, also seen the message "Phone drawing more power than charger can provide" Jun 03 05:43:42 yeah Jun 03 05:43:48 generally both came at the same time Jun 03 05:43:52 atleast for me Jun 03 05:47:18 maybe because i dont do number crunching with my phone :) Jun 03 05:47:34 well it can draw more power than a usb port can provide Jun 03 05:48:56 seen that too Jun 03 05:49:20 but have you seen that with charger or usb-cable? Jun 03 05:50:01 usb-ports on computers tend to give so little power that in many cases it doesn't charge at all, even ow light your usage is, but simply prevent the phone from draining Jun 03 05:52:22 Surfa: usb cable with a nearly dead phone, and I'm probably not quoteing the message correctly. 500ma is a lot of power to be consuming though... Jun 03 05:53:33 asj, i don't know the details, but i think the currency is dependent on mother board too, but yep i don't know the ranges that computers provide Jun 03 05:54:03 that's just a observation of te battery charge :) no maths included Jun 03 05:54:12 Surfa: I do know the details, but it's too involved to get into ;) Jun 03 05:54:48 no doubt, someone always knows more Jun 03 05:55:41 but anyway the usb-charging seems to be a lot slower/inefficient than with original charger, don't know why, don't really care :) Jun 03 05:59:44 Surfa: charger is 1200ma Jun 03 05:59:59 so it's 2.something times faster Jun 03 06:05:36 more than that Jun 03 06:06:05 mhm and mappero just crashed my device once again grr Jun 03 06:07:52 mappero isn't quite stable yet Jun 03 06:08:07 i tried it an when the first turn came out, it crashed the whole phone Jun 03 06:08:27 then i simply uninstalled it.. don't really need voice navigation that much Jun 03 06:11:21 sygic is lightweight (compared to ovi and other monstrosities) :D Jun 03 06:11:37 sygic? Jun 03 06:11:54 sygic maps Jun 03 06:12:12 is that this stuff from ovi store? Jun 03 06:12:17 * cehteh wants osm maps Jun 03 06:12:26 maep is ok too Jun 03 06:12:55 I think there's 7 day demo in ovi store Jun 03 06:13:06 * ShadowJK bought it from sygic's own website Jun 03 06:13:19 dont want Jun 03 06:13:46 well, i think it should be also in the ovi store shortly Jun 03 06:16:16 * pigeon is waiting for australia map for sygic. Jun 03 06:22:39 heh. http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/06/01/nazi-food/ Jun 03 06:23:18 never seen that yet Jun 03 06:33:54 mece don't think it's label Jun 03 06:34:20 it's probably some nazi people just made those stickers and went to shop Jun 03 06:36:50 you can see same products in shelf without the sticker Jun 03 06:37:52 ZogG: read the annotations Jun 03 06:38:30 oh Jun 03 06:38:31 that was done by putinjugend Jun 03 06:38:32 read it Jun 03 06:38:45 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/02/novell_meego/ <- I just hope it won't be pushing mono Jun 03 06:38:46 i thought internets only for lulz picterus Jun 03 06:38:58 on the n900, what's the escape button? Jun 03 06:38:58 didn't thought you can actually read something Jun 03 06:39:07 nocturnal what for? Jun 03 06:39:19 ZogG: I assume vi Jun 03 06:39:26 ZogG: i want to press esc to exit insert mode in vi. or maybe you know another way Jun 03 06:39:42 nope i don't Jun 03 06:39:49 ask asj Jun 03 06:39:52 nocturnal: terminal? beside ctrl, tab, etc Jun 03 06:39:56 he knows everything Jun 03 06:40:04 lol Jun 03 06:40:05 oh man i'm so stupid Jun 03 06:40:06 thanks asj Jun 03 06:40:15 i even added a pipe to that bar but i guess it's too early in the morning Jun 03 06:40:20 told ya Jun 03 06:40:28 nocturnal: you can edit that bar? Jun 03 06:40:32 yeah Jun 03 06:40:44 i found it on the internets, google Jun 03 06:40:49 something about running gconf Jun 03 06:40:50 :) Jun 03 06:41:03 sweet, the lack of | is a pita Jun 03 06:41:06 truly Jun 03 06:41:18 pipe is the most important character in the unix alphabet Jun 03 06:41:22 or so the legend goes Jun 03 06:41:28 right after > Jun 03 06:41:31 =) Jun 03 06:41:42 one can argue though Jun 03 06:42:01 yeah i mean i'm sure \n holds a special place too Jun 03 06:43:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=13405 Jun 03 06:43:07 so Nokia/Intel claim they can guarantee MeeGo is patent-safe because of their own huge patent portfolios Jun 03 06:43:14 what kind of logic is that? :/ Jun 03 06:43:38 lawyers Jun 03 06:43:42 it's the only one that works when absolutely everything is patented :) Jun 03 06:43:43 luke-jr, the logic of you try doing anything to our baby and you'll be turned into a bloody pulp Jun 03 06:44:04 ShadowJK: only when Nokia/Intel can sub-license everything patented out Jun 03 06:44:10 it's like nuclear weapons, mutual assured destruction Jun 03 06:44:48 I'm guessing between Nokia and Intel they could probably buy most patent trolls out Jun 03 06:44:50 ShadowJK: more like mutually assured years of litigation Jun 03 06:45:03 MAYL, doesn't sound as good as mad Jun 03 06:45:48 asj: don't feed the trolls Jun 03 06:45:55 ruskie: except Microsoft, which is afaik the only one actively attacking Jun 03 06:46:03 luke-jr, they aren't actually attacking Jun 03 06:46:05 just FUDing Jun 03 06:46:10 like they have been doing for years Jun 03 06:46:19 ruskie: they're getting people to pay Jun 03 06:46:31 and it only takes one patent Jun 03 06:46:39 IIRC Microsoft has one on vfat Jun 03 06:46:46 which if held to be valid would indeed cover Linux Jun 03 06:46:52 not really Jun 03 06:46:52 luke-jr: help Jun 03 06:46:59 it was workaround a while ago iirc Jun 03 06:47:07 * timeless_mbp is trying to muck w/ zenity.ui Jun 03 06:47:10 * timeless_mbp is stuck Jun 03 06:47:22 timeless_mbp: wtf is that and why do you ask me? Jun 03 06:47:27 * ruskie suggests gtk-server but still hasn't bothered learning it himself Jun 03 06:48:17 i need someone who understands Glade .ui files Jun 03 06:48:21 and i dunno Jun 03 06:48:32 timeless_mbp: boo GTK Jun 03 06:48:47 throw that crap in the trash and write a Qt equivalent Jun 03 06:48:54 view-source:http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/zenity.ui Jun 03 06:49:21 sure, because a Qt equivalent is really going to work better on maemo4 and maemo5 Jun 03 06:49:33 is there a bug report for the jumpy buttons when answering a call in pr1.2 (portrait mode) Jun 03 06:49:36 as if you/Nokia care about Maemo4 Jun 03 06:49:41 and because i want to change my tiny app's download size to include the cost for Qt Jun 03 06:50:29 luke-jr: i still have a package i should probably update for DocScrutinizer Jun 03 06:51:00 timeless_mbp, what's the problem with the file? Jun 03 06:51:58 asj i have | Jun 03 06:51:59 mece: i want to add padding between rows in the tree Jun 03 06:52:08 asj, you can change keyboard maps Jun 03 06:52:21 and make the buttons taller or whatever so they are more fingerable Jun 03 06:52:36 as well i have more combinations like fn+shift+z (it works only for certain keys) Jun 03 06:52:58 timeless_mbp, did you try to modify the spacing? Jun 03 06:53:37 so if i use SDK Nokia, and i add object - can i jump to code straight to object or i need to write it in as well? Jun 03 06:54:16 i did Jun 03 06:54:32 but i can't really figure out how to get it right Jun 03 06:55:07 timeless_mbp, right, in the tree-view? Jun 03 06:56:03 mece: well, i tried 'ypad' or something Jun 03 06:56:12 and a few other things, but i can't figure out how to make it work Jun 03 06:56:26 i'd rather not understand this and have someone just give me a version of the file that works :) Jun 03 06:56:33 i can give you a testcase app Jun 03 06:58:43 timeless_mbp, sorry I don't have time to get into it that much right now. for some reason I actually have some work to do while at work today :/ Jun 03 06:59:21 mece: i'm unlikely to be able to do much about this for a while Jun 03 06:59:28 http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/06/02/2317241 eu = awesome, right? Jun 03 06:59:32 so if you magically do it over the weekend, that's ok too Jun 03 07:18:40 FYI Jun 03 07:18:53 if you put your phone in the freezer and forget it there, it won't start again after a while Jun 03 07:20:57 hmm, that's surprising, because I've seen many phones working in a -20 conditions.. slowly, but working anyway Jun 03 07:23:06 newbie question, does pr1.2 still have the power save mode? Jun 03 07:23:22 what i ment to say was... heres the thing in its entirety -> I have a mugen battery and they tell me that you should boot it at 18 celsius to get more accurate readings from the battery. So far this seems to be true... so what i did was i put the whole phone in the freezer as opposed to what i usually just do - put the battery in the freezer. Went out for a smoke and forgot the phone there.... found it later and it was still running but it couldn't find the Jun 03 07:23:23 sim card anymore so i turned it off... after a while all i got was nokia welcome screen and then nothing. Waited a little longer with the easy parts removed such as back-cover and battery and it started again later :) But boy was there condensation on the thing Jun 03 07:24:04 think my freezer reaches around -30 Jun 03 07:24:50 i think optimal freezer temperature is around -20 :) Jun 03 07:24:55 rest is waste of energy Jun 03 07:25:00 true that Jun 03 07:25:10 me in a nutshell, overdo everything ;P Jun 03 07:25:29 zenity, woohoo Jun 03 07:25:38 but ok, i think that's expected.. below zero celcius conditions are very usual Jun 03 07:25:52 savant42, i don't understand the question Jun 03 07:26:47 Surfa: I see lots of references to PSM and power saving options for wifi causing issues with openssh to the device, in my case an n900 Jun 03 07:26:58 it used to work, now it doesnt; I've since reflashed with pr1.2 Jun 03 07:27:15 wondering if pr1.2 has the powersaving options everyone is talking about, so I can disable them, see if that helps Jun 03 07:27:38 savant42, which powersaving options are those? Jun 03 07:28:00 I read there were power saving options for the wifi card, but not sure if that's for other devices or older builds Jun 03 07:28:06 well, i highly doubt you want to adjust any power saving methods on the phone :) Jun 03 07:28:42 savant42, if you mean sr_vdd1/2_autocomp then no, pr1.2 doesn't have that enabled. Jun 03 07:29:44 Any reason you can think of that I can ssh FROM the phone to my linux server/mac but not the other way around? OpenSSHD is installed from the stable repsotiory Jun 03 07:30:06 ps aux|grep ssh shows /usr/bin/sshd -D running Jun 03 07:30:18 savant42, your operator blocks incoming tcp connections? or are you using wlan? Jun 03 07:30:27 wlan on local network Jun 03 07:30:44 in truth I dont even have a sim in there, it's running purely as a tablet, not a phone Jun 03 07:30:51 savant42, powersaving wlan. Jun 03 07:30:56 :| Jun 03 07:31:02 savant42, just ping the machine fron n900. Jun 03 07:31:05 from Jun 03 07:31:12 Settings -> Internet connections > Connections > Edit the WLAN -> step through the guide until you get to 'advanced', tap it, 3rd tab from the left have 'power saving mode' Jun 03 07:31:21 ah, ok Jun 03 07:32:58 if this works my next kid will be named Frals Mece Jun 03 07:33:07 LOL Jun 03 07:33:07 and Frals Mece it is!!!! Jun 03 07:33:12 I could kiss you both, but I won't Jun 03 07:33:13 hahahhaa Jun 03 07:33:59 ok, since you're on a roll, any idea why the speaker will play misc. audio, like the nokia startup sound, and the keyboard clicks, but not play any audio at all in the media player? I'm only using the stock mp3s that are on there, no downloads, so no codec issues Jun 03 07:34:48 savant42, fm transmitter on perhaps? Jun 03 07:34:55 it's disabled, should it not be? Jun 03 07:35:14 oh wait that would move all sounds to fm... eh no it shouldn't be. So that's not the problem Jun 03 07:35:43 I didn't reflash the emmc, so there might be some junk in there? But I've never tweaked the codecs Jun 03 07:36:02 hmm. Jun 03 07:36:29 ultimately I don't care much, since it's not my primary device, but issues like this get my goat Jun 03 07:36:39 my media player haven't had any problems so I really have no idea. Jun 03 07:36:47 that's what everyone says :\ Jun 03 07:37:03 savant42, does it play sound in videos? Jun 03 07:37:05 if I couldnt hear the stupid nokia post sound I'd suspect the speaker, or the volume being off Jun 03 07:37:53 hmm, murphy's law, the video has audio Jun 03 07:38:20 and now the mp3s do Jun 03 07:38:22 wth?? Jun 03 07:38:28 Frals Mece does it again!!!! Jun 03 07:38:32 you must just be magic Jun 03 07:38:38 ah.. my magical presence is felt even over the interwebs :D Jun 03 07:38:41 that's all I can attribute it to Jun 03 07:38:47 LOL Jun 03 07:38:53 I won't question it Jun 03 07:39:04 but if this problem persists when I wake up, Im going to lurk in this channel Jun 03 07:39:10 maybe set up an irc bot, just in case Jun 03 07:39:12 hehee Jun 03 07:39:15 so I can be near your aura Jun 03 07:40:06 ok, well that's all I really have. What's your rootfs utilization looking like? Jun 03 07:40:10 hey ok what should the link be like for the bugtracker in packages when the tracker is in bugs.maemo.org? I mean to what page should I point the bugtracker? Jun 03 07:40:16 Mine is at ~ 50%, I'd ;like it to be lower Jun 03 07:40:51 savant42, yoy have 50% free rootfs? Jun 03 07:40:56 no, 42 Jun 03 07:41:01 s/yoy/you/ Jun 03 07:41:03 mece meant: savant42, you have 50% free rootfs? Jun 03 07:41:03 42% free Jun 03 07:41:14 savant42, that's about right. Jun 03 07:41:29 ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to fubar my fs by having too much stuff in there Jun 03 07:41:47 I've now owned this phone for 30 hours or so and I'm pretty impressed Jun 03 07:42:01 savant42, if you're over 20Mb free I'd say it's fine. Jun 03 07:42:08 ok, awesome Jun 03 07:42:19 and with that, I'll stop hogging the chat buffer. Thanks for your time! Jun 03 07:42:28 savant42, unused space there is space used somewhere on a slower chip. Jun 03 07:49:03 mece: one sec Jun 03 07:49:58 mece: i'd suggest https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=prod:%22Advanced+Backlight%22 Jun 03 07:50:06 where Advanced+Backlight is your product Jun 03 07:50:21 timeless_mbp, found this: https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=qlister Jun 03 07:50:35 actually hold on Jun 03 07:50:38 is PySide in extras btw? Jun 03 07:50:41 * timeless_mbp wonders if bugzilla is quasi stupid Jun 03 07:50:53 timeless_mbp, heee. Jun 03 07:51:06 mece: so, ... Jun 03 07:51:39 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=MXR Jun 03 07:51:47 oops Jun 03 07:52:02 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Webtools&component=MXR Jun 03 07:52:19 note how at the bottom of that page there's a link 'File a new bug in the "Webtools" product' ? Jun 03 07:52:42 my xterm suddenly switched to a non-console font Jun 03 07:52:52 yeah, sorry, use buglist.cgi?product=<...> Jun 03 07:52:55 stuck that way :( Jun 03 07:53:13 mece: in a newer version of bugzilla that will give you the 'File a new bug' link Jun 03 07:53:23 whereas quicksearch isn't smart enough to do that :( Jun 03 07:53:49 pupnik: what's a non console font? Jun 03 07:54:03 timeless_mbp: hope you at least are aware of my suggestion for a quick javascript activation via button/keycombo affecting one-page-only Jun 03 07:54:20 timeless_mbp so it seems.. Jun 03 07:54:32 looks like "sans" and it is being forced to monospace .. Jun 03 07:54:41 mece: anyway, buglist.cgi?product= is the best choice Jun 03 07:55:06 Nokia Smiley Jun 03 07:55:07 timeless_mbp, selvä. Will do that then. Jun 03 07:55:19 if your product is successful, you don't want people filing duplicates of already reported issues Jun 03 07:55:32 already/previously/ Jun 03 07:58:27 ~seen Khertan Jun 03 07:58:30 khertan is currently on #maemo (1d 4m 29s) #meego (1d 4m 29s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 17h 46m 30s, last said: 'hum ... back to sleep mode'. Jun 03 07:58:45 Khertan, ping Jun 03 08:10:12 back to sleepmode - nice suggestion Jun 03 08:12:53 hehe. Jun 03 08:13:11 anyone here have a good suggestion how to get finger scrolling inside a QPlainTextEdit? Jun 03 08:17:51 mece awesome_finger_scrolling = true; Jun 03 08:27:12 ZogG, apparently this doesn't work in pyside.. Jun 03 08:31:15 mece have you tried? Jun 03 08:31:36 ZogG, damn. found the prob. It only works in PyQt4 and not in PySide for some reason. Jun 03 08:31:53 this is how: Jun 03 08:31:53 scroller = self.editarea.property("kineticScroller").toPyObject() Jun 03 08:31:53 scroller.setEnabled(True) Jun 03 08:31:56 ~seen ScriptFanix Jun 03 08:31:58 scriptfanix is currently on #maemo (1d 22h 41m 4s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 1d 22h 8m 37s, last said: 'SpeedEvil: the SD is 1 week old'. Jun 03 08:32:03 lolts Jun 03 08:32:04 ~seen Scelt Jun 03 08:32:05 scelt is currently on #maemo (2d 9h 18m 26s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Scelt'. Jun 03 08:32:33 Scelt: that'll be enough, you can also PM the bot Jun 03 08:33:03 crashanddie: the first was typo. don't get mad mister mister Jun 03 08:33:37 Scelt: I don't care whether it's a typo or not, you're highlighting a lot of people on the channel for no reason. Thanks for stopping. Jun 03 08:34:12 crashanddie: I only highlighted myself on purpose Jun 03 08:35:23 o/ Jun 03 08:35:50 does anyone know the command to get back to stock kernel Jun 03 08:36:02 i installed the enhanced kernel in the repos Jun 03 08:36:12 read the wiki Jun 03 08:36:22 there is all decscribed Jun 03 08:36:29 im on n900 Jun 03 08:36:32 2g :( Jun 03 08:36:32 * ScriptFanix open eyes, looks at Scelt, closes eyes Jun 03 08:36:48 i know Jun 03 08:36:50 but my conn is slow Jun 03 08:36:53 meego tablet is awesome Jun 03 08:36:54 HtheB: Under system there is a "Deinstall kernel-...." Jun 03 08:36:57 thats why i asked overhere Jun 03 08:37:04 Steve is pissed probably Jun 03 08:37:14 it keeps saying error restoring nokia kernel Jun 03 08:37:20 if i run the deinstall Jun 03 08:38:17 hmm can one put full path in .desktop files? Jun 03 08:38:48 HtheB: Instructions: Jun 03 08:38:58 sudo gainroot Jun 03 08:38:58 apt-get install --reinstall -y kernel kernel-flasher Jun 03 08:39:02 apt-get remove -y kernel-power kernel-power-modules Jun 03 08:39:03 thnx Jun 03 08:39:03 ~seen Mek Jun 03 08:39:04 mek is currently on #gsoc (5d 15h 47m 57s) #maemo (5d 15h 47m 57s) #meego (5d 15h 47m 57s), last said: 'any other tax forms is your own business'. Jun 03 08:39:29 3rd step you ONLY do if 2nd step is successful Jun 03 08:39:39 yeah :) for sure Jun 03 08:39:49 else i need to flash the kernel :p Jun 03 08:39:54 \o/ Jun 03 08:39:57 but im not at home lol Jun 03 08:40:07 found some aweful bug on the kernel app Jun 03 08:40:08 :/ Jun 03 08:40:16 whenever i press the power button Jun 03 08:40:24 it stops my audio for 2secs Jun 03 08:41:53 "kernel app" ?? Jun 03 08:42:26 the enhanced kernel Jun 03 08:42:39 it's in the repos Jun 03 08:42:55 hi timeless Jun 03 08:43:02 w8, rebooting Jun 03 08:43:10 ill tell if it worked :p Jun 03 08:43:14 hi Jun 03 08:43:19 remember the bug i whined yesterday? Jun 03 08:43:22 :p Jun 03 08:43:37 the sound bug when pressing power button Jun 03 08:43:57 found out it's the enhanced kernel that f*cks it up Jun 03 08:43:58 :( Jun 03 08:44:02 donno why :/ Jun 03 08:44:12 anyway, brb Jun 03 08:44:17 (hopefully :D) Jun 03 08:48:58 thanks again Jun 03 08:49:03 worked great Jun 03 08:49:24 though, now I don't have an overclocked device anymore =( Jun 03 08:50:24 ping .... Jun 03 08:50:51 HtheB: what sound bug? Jun 03 08:50:58 HtheB you cann't have pigs and cows together Jun 03 08:51:00 thats life Jun 03 08:51:08 heh Jun 03 08:51:13 t-tan Jun 03 08:51:23 I installed the enhanced kernel in the repos Jun 03 08:51:29 version 23 Jun 03 08:51:37 worked great on my 1.1.1 Jun 03 08:51:54 23=transition package to kernel-power v24 Jun 03 08:51:55 but on 1.2 it stops (silences) the sound for 2-3 secs Jun 03 08:52:21 I'm running v37 with the PR1.2 patches Jun 03 08:52:31 no problem here (from extras-testing) Jun 03 08:52:38 huh Jun 03 08:52:46 :/ Jun 03 08:52:47 should appear in extras in 3 days Jun 03 08:53:01 i have extras dev and testing enabled Jun 03 08:53:06 cant see it over here Jun 03 08:53:11 weird :/ Jun 03 08:53:22 let me see again Jun 03 08:53:38 damn.. I still have only 2g Jun 03 08:53:39 apt-get update Jun 03 08:53:55 would take a lot till the update has been made =( Jun 03 08:53:56 lol Jun 03 08:54:09 ????? Jun 03 08:54:25 and even longer to download the 5mb of the kernel Jun 03 08:54:38 :D Jun 03 08:54:49 v23 never made it to extras Jun 03 08:54:50 3,5G! Jun 03 08:55:10 * HtheB quickly updates Jun 03 08:57:34 ok Jun 03 08:57:46 power off and on again Jun 03 08:57:50 brb Jun 03 09:08:03 argg Jun 03 09:08:17 same issue Jun 03 09:08:17 :( Jun 03 09:08:17 t-tan Jun 03 09:08:27 even with v37 Jun 03 09:08:47 whenver I press power, it will silence the audio for 2-3 secs Jun 03 09:09:38 I cannot reproduce it. what audio? mp3 player? Jun 03 09:09:57 yeah Jun 03 09:10:01 I made a video Jun 03 09:10:20 yay you Jun 03 09:10:22 yesterday night Jun 03 09:10:24 3gp quality :( Jun 03 09:10:39 since I only have my Nokia 6230 Jun 03 09:10:49 let me check the link for u Jun 03 09:11:17 not necessary. I can image how it mutes for a few seconds Jun 03 09:11:26 but I'd like to reproduce it Jun 03 09:11:48 it could be some widget you have installed Jun 03 09:12:00 esp. if you have -devel enabled Jun 03 09:12:04 www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp Jun 03 09:12:09 hmmm Jun 03 09:12:25 i dont have alot of widgets tbh Jun 03 09:12:32 jo MohammedAG Jun 03 09:12:47 found the problem that causes the sound bug Jun 03 09:12:51 well.. partially Jun 03 09:12:52 morning MohammadAG Jun 03 09:13:29 very weird that I'm the only one Jun 03 09:13:31 hey HtheB Jun 03 09:13:34 that haves this prob Jun 03 09:13:37 morning t-tan, any progress? Jun 03 09:13:41 HtheB: sudden hearing loss? :) Jun 03 09:13:43 damn xchat Jun 03 09:13:48 I was wondering, how big would a cable with an attached battery and a charging chip would be? Does something like this exist? For the USB OTG. Jun 03 09:14:02 t-tan, yeah Jun 03 09:14:06 MohammadAG: I posted everything in the thread Jun 03 09:14:22 t-tan, and I replied, you're slow :P Jun 03 09:14:23 You could have something that draws 200mA and charges the battery or something Jun 03 09:15:04 t-tan, another thing Jun 03 09:15:12 don't link to built kernels for the time Jun 03 09:15:42 it will cause us more problems with users asking why (when) it bricked their devices Jun 03 09:15:51 MohammadAG: the first noob is already asking in the thread :) Jun 03 09:15:57 rofl Jun 03 09:16:24 t-tan, I know xD Jun 03 09:16:31 speaking of noobs Jun 03 09:16:36 where is noobmonk3y Jun 03 09:16:39 heh Jun 03 09:16:45 MohammadAG: it tried all timeouts for plugging in the device: 100ms down to 1ns :) Jun 03 09:16:49 he's away for a couple of days afaik Jun 03 09:16:58 t-tan, maybe your device has a defect then ;) Jun 03 09:17:21 MohammadAG: your device has a positive defect Jun 03 09:17:47 well that's something to be thankful for Jun 03 09:17:55 =( Jun 03 09:18:00 MohammadAG: it's very hospitable Jun 03 09:18:02 stupid power button Jun 03 09:18:02 blue_led was able to reproduce, I think it's YOUR device :P Jun 03 09:18:34 t-tan, HOSTpitable (see what I did there? :P) Jun 03 09:19:08 my device is a parasite :( Jun 03 09:20:23 MohammadAG: AFAIK he uses a self-powered hub? Jun 03 09:20:38 t-tan, how can I find out (a quicker way then deleting all my apps) what could cause my prob Jun 03 09:20:39 t-tan, who? Jun 03 09:20:47 oh, blue_led Jun 03 09:20:55 not sure, iirc nope, he didn't use it Jun 03 09:21:04 and DocScrutinizer postponed my execution :P Jun 03 09:21:16 btw, seems that Nokia announced their first double sim phone Jun 03 09:21:26 there you are, lazy.. Jun 03 09:21:39 IT'S ALIVE! Jun 03 09:21:40 :P Jun 03 09:21:55 and a bike charger, haha Jun 03 09:22:56 HtheB: oh ? Jun 03 09:23:03 dual sim, why would they ? Jun 03 09:23:09 i can't imagine real use case for dual sim phone Jun 03 09:23:12 HtheB: bike charger is a big thing Jun 03 09:23:21 bike charger is useless Jun 03 09:23:34 India, China ... Jun 03 09:23:35 morning DocScrutinizer, do you want to act as a USB host? Jun 03 09:23:48 how many bikes, how many cars, how many electricity plugs Jun 03 09:23:54 a lot Jun 03 09:24:21 t-tan: err, of course.... not? Jun 03 09:24:32 moinmoin Jun 03 09:24:48 dual sim Jun 03 09:24:59 DocScrutinizer: or your device? mine seems to be not very hostpitable :( Jun 03 09:25:11 2 networks Jun 03 09:25:11 :p Jun 03 09:25:11 1 is hot swappable \o/ Jun 03 09:25:32 conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/03/nokia-c1-unleashed-with-dual-sim-functionality-photo-gallery Jun 03 09:25:38 HtheB: so you play a regular mp3 file with media player, then you press the power button? Jun 03 09:25:51 t-tan: exactly Jun 03 09:26:01 even if my screen is locked Jun 03 09:26:07 as u could see in the vid Jun 03 09:26:41 if I click the dropdown many quickly away, itk continues again with the music Jun 03 09:26:48 many = menu Jun 03 09:27:04 itk = it Jun 03 09:27:22 * HtheB is failing at typing Jun 03 09:27:23 t-tan: I did a first test yesterday Jun 03 09:27:30 with a hub Jun 03 09:27:38 same result as you Jun 03 09:27:45 blue_led has confirmed Jun 03 09:27:51 see tmo Jun 03 09:27:59 DocScrutinizer: good, my device as broken as yours Jun 03 09:28:17 nah, that's a timing and peripheral issue Jun 03 09:28:31 as well as kernel absolutely not fixed yet Jun 03 09:28:37 still OTG crap Jun 03 09:28:51 we need to force sw state engine into right mode Jun 03 09:29:13 DocScrutinizer, it's still an improvement Jun 03 09:29:27 DocScrutinizer, you couldn't reproduce? :S Jun 03 09:29:42 not in the one test I did so far Jun 03 09:30:06 I've sent you the pastebin URL of the rather verbose log Jun 03 09:30:15 morning DocScrutinizer, do you want to act as a USB host? Jun 03 09:30:16 http://xkcd.com/644/ Jun 03 09:30:23 lol Jun 03 09:31:02 It's unclear whether that's a A or B or AB type Jun 03 09:31:09 curse my slow internet connect, that's the "usb port in arm" that i was gonna find and post, right? Jun 03 09:31:18 MohammadAG: :) Doc, do you have male or female implant? Jun 03 09:31:41 lol Jun 03 09:31:50 guess! :-P Jun 03 09:31:57 * BCMM makes this on-topic by mentioning using mobilehotspot on an n900 to survive the past few days of very slow ADSL Jun 03 09:33:24 so... Jun 03 09:33:32 what can I do t-tan :p Jun 03 09:33:55 Is there an "idiot's guide to make your stuff work in maemo autobuilder" somewhere? Jun 03 09:33:59 get me a USB stinger Jun 03 09:34:16 zomg, wiki, it's called Uploading to Extras-devel afaik Jun 03 09:34:33 yeah I read that :D Jun 03 09:34:40 halp! setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True) doesn't do it for me with PyQt for some reason.. Jun 03 09:34:51 and my debian/rules etc. are all according to the wiki articles Jun 03 09:35:02 but the build is still failing on the autobuild thing Jun 03 09:36:30 HtheB: do you have smartreflex enabled? Jun 03 09:37:58 smart reflex? Jun 03 09:38:26 HtheB: did you overclock or change any of the power settings? Jun 03 09:39:14 yeah Jun 03 09:39:27 set it to 900mhz Jun 03 09:39:29 DocScrutinizer: when you mean blue_led has confirmed: do you mean exactly with MohammadAG's method? Jun 03 09:39:32 pmconfig Jun 03 09:39:58 sounds like. He's fuzzy and terse like always Jun 03 09:40:04 t-tan, accept the truth, your device is borked Jun 03 09:40:08 ah, never touch pmconfig! http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Upgrade_from_older_versions_.28.3C_maemo24.29 Jun 03 09:40:26 owh Jun 03 09:40:26 MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer's too :) Jun 03 09:40:34 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=697331#post697331 Jun 03 09:40:37 t-tan: OC X-/ :-P Jun 03 09:40:43 t-tan, we already know he broke it Jun 03 09:40:48 t-tan Jun 03 09:40:54 can the N900 even shake a damn bed? Jun 03 09:41:07 lol what was that ^ about Jun 03 09:41:47 the best alarm sound is the "Low Battery" sound Jun 03 09:41:47 t-tan Jun 03 09:41:50 can you give the link again :) Jun 03 09:41:52 im on my laptop now Jun 03 09:42:00 wakes me up every time Jun 03 09:42:00 HtheB: did you N900 just self-destruct? Jun 03 09:42:10 for future reference Jun 03 09:42:10 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Jun 03 09:42:14 haha xD Jun 03 09:42:18 why self-destruct xD? Jun 03 09:42:39 thnx MohammadAG Jun 03 09:42:46 when you press the power-button too often... Jun 03 09:43:04 it locks the screen Jun 03 09:43:05 HA! Jun 03 09:43:27 DocScrutinizer, t-tan http://i49.tinypic.com/a2c5dd.jpg Jun 03 09:43:27 double press power button locks the screen Jun 03 09:43:35 MohammadAG: quoting /topic ? X-P Jun 03 09:43:48 1 thing t-tan Jun 03 09:44:02 when my screen rotates from landscape<->portrait mode Jun 03 09:44:09 it will also kill the sound for 2 secs Jun 03 09:44:18 MohammadAG: cool, now we have GUI, just need to get hostmode working :) Jun 03 09:44:21 DocScrutinizer, yep :D Jun 03 09:44:26 LOL t-tan it works for me Jun 03 09:44:27 DocScrutinizer: i have my beagleboard now Jun 03 09:44:52 jacekowski: too late :-P Nah, highly welcome Jun 03 09:45:18 Note to self, never mix GTK and Qt Jun 03 09:45:25 it won't end well Jun 03 09:45:26 DocScrutinizer: so you have working usb? Jun 03 09:45:33 honestly, that GUI is just a nicer QueenBeecon Jun 03 09:45:44 DocScrutinizer: i've noticed small problem with default latest angstrom kernel Jun 03 09:46:04 DocScrutinizer: it loads g_cdc by default, and unloading it and loading g_ether doesn't work Jun 03 09:46:13 hi Jun 03 09:46:16 :-S Jun 03 09:46:17 DocScrutinizer, don't know what that one is :) Jun 03 09:46:21 is there a front camera on N900? Jun 03 09:46:22 well, it loads but nothing happens Jun 03 09:46:26 FIQ: yes Jun 03 09:46:26 yes Jun 03 09:46:29 and if yes, how to activate it? Jun 03 09:46:37 FIQ: there is no software for it Jun 03 09:46:37 with magic Jun 03 09:46:40 in camera application i mean Jun 03 09:46:45 you can't Jun 03 09:46:46 FIQ: you can't Jun 03 09:46:48 ... >.> Jun 03 09:46:55 i need it. :D Jun 03 09:46:56 jacekowski: angstrom kernel? Jun 03 09:46:57 use HealthCheck, it can save an image from it Jun 03 09:46:59 FIQ: only skype and jabber video calls use it at the moment Jun 03 09:47:06 t-tan: beagle board distro Jun 03 09:47:12 Mplayer too. Jun 03 09:47:35 Mirror Jun 03 09:47:36 :p Jun 03 09:47:40 jacekowski: and mirror app, and obviously HC Jun 03 09:47:40 jacekowski: ok, offtopic. maybe my g_ether patch helps? Jun 03 09:47:44 the mirror app will give you a greenish screen though Jun 03 09:47:47 with PR1.2 Jun 03 09:48:18 t-tan: well, unloading g_cdc and loading it back doesn't work as well Jun 03 09:48:35 t-tan, is there some code added when u press the power button!? O_o Jun 03 09:48:48 jacekowski: so you mean, basically hostmode is borked on bb? Jun 03 09:49:00 it's not a host mode Jun 03 09:49:05 (sorry to keep you from other topics) Jun 03 09:49:12 it's slave/client/whatever Jun 03 09:49:16 over otg port Jun 03 09:49:26 but it's probably kernel or maybe windows have some issues Jun 03 09:49:30 jacekowski: I see. then maybe this is unrelated https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/gethercharge.diff;h=6fae8d718a0f0dd0071bda2f50ec2810cb65c1b4;hb=HEAD Jun 03 09:49:38 * MohammadAG bangs head on desk Jun 03 09:49:53 how the fsck does a pyQt app segfault Jun 03 09:50:06 lol Jun 03 09:50:16 MohammadAG haha Jun 03 09:50:23 wtf Jun 03 09:50:24 MohammadAG: python sucks Jun 03 09:50:28 MohammadAG: simple Jun 03 09:50:30 HtheB: nothing. I haven't touched anything related to power keys Jun 03 09:50:58 MohammadAG: by it causing some of the non-python parts to segfault. Jun 03 09:51:10 Lynoure, no non-python parts used Jun 03 09:51:12 HtheB: I suspect it's some widget/menu item that interferes with pulseaudio Jun 03 09:51:16 is it possible to send sms via command line? Jun 03 09:51:27 unless Qt is actually C++ in python Jun 03 09:51:31 MohammadAG: I'm not that familiar with PyQt... there is no actual Qt there, then? Jun 03 09:51:35 hmmm Jun 03 09:51:47 'll check it out again :) Jun 03 09:51:49 thnx again Jun 03 09:51:49 only Jun 03 09:51:49 brb Jun 03 09:51:50 MohammadAG: it's Qt fully reimplemented in python? Jun 03 09:51:50 if __name__ == "__main__": Jun 03 09:51:50 app = QtGui.QApplication(sys.argv) Jun 03 09:51:50 MainWindow = QtGui.QMainWindow() Jun 03 09:51:50 ui = Ui_MainWindow() Jun 03 09:51:50 ui.setupUi(MainWindow) Jun 03 09:51:52 MainWindow.show() Jun 03 09:51:54 sys.exit(app.exec_()) Jun 03 09:51:59 ~pastebin Jun 03 09:52:00 pyqt has a shim binary layer doesn't it? Jun 03 09:52:00 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Jun 03 09:52:00 Are bugzilla & the wiki down? Jun 03 09:52:10 woglinde, it's just a few lines Jun 03 09:52:12 pyQt is a python wrapper for C++ Qt Jun 03 09:52:22 t-tan: yes, that was my impression. Jun 03 09:53:06 if possible, one should use pyside, anyway Jun 03 09:56:21 To me the "wtf" part was "what's surprising with segfaults being possible?" :) Jun 03 09:56:50 it's python Jun 03 09:56:55 t-tan, eww Jun 03 09:57:17 is there something similar to gtk.Dialog in Qt Jun 03 09:58:28 python has never segfaulted for me, it was always a broken external lib Jun 03 09:59:39 MohammadAG: pyqt is python, but it uses qt, which is not python -> segfaults well possible if there is a bug in pyqt or in qt or some black magic in the air Jun 03 10:00:21 Anyone able tp load bz or wiki pages? Jun 03 10:00:25 a friend of mine just got herself an n900 and can't install maep because of some 'incompatibility' thing? what could that mean? Jun 03 10:00:32 (I haven't seen the error myself) Jun 03 10:01:06 DocScrutinizer: so, how is your usb host going? Jun 03 10:01:15 it's updated to 1.2 and so on...probably with finnish language selected Jun 03 10:01:16 hmm, importing hildon also borks it Jun 03 10:01:55 reboot Jun 03 10:02:36 dneary: bugzilla was up earlier :) Jun 03 10:02:59 black magic in the air = e.g. a memory corruption for one reason or another Jun 03 10:03:01 timeless_mbp, So was the wiki (depending how much earlier, of course) Jun 03 10:03:06 Both time out for me now though Jun 03 10:03:19 Ah - could be my ssh tunnel & socks proxy Jun 03 10:03:44 jacekowski, doesn't help Jun 03 10:03:47 wfm Jun 03 10:03:55 jacekowski: MohammadAG used sarahn's kernel patches based partly on my sugestions, and his own patches also based partly on my suggestions, and put genuine hostmode to work - though it's just a POC for now Jun 03 10:04:17 DocScrutinizer, it's all based on your suggestions lol Jun 03 10:04:38 MohammadAG: Qt is not supported on devices that support USB hostmade :) Jun 03 10:04:47 makes sense Jun 03 10:04:55 * MohammadAG shuts down the GUI department Jun 03 10:05:11 oh *wow* Jun 03 10:05:17 OWA has a "map this address" feature Jun 03 10:07:01 DocScrutinizer: any more details,? Jun 03 10:07:17 DocScrutinizer: and what about BME? Jun 03 10:07:25 MohammadAG, t-tan: the funny thing is, my phone seems to work great with the 1.2 based kernel on a 1.1.1 system :-) Jun 03 10:07:53 jacekowski: read the tmo thread Jun 03 10:08:12 link? Jun 03 10:08:16 DocScrutinizer: no surpise, the changes are neglible http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/nokia-20101501%2b0m5.diff Jun 03 10:08:16 bme has been shot by noon Jun 03 10:09:24 jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921&page=102 Jun 03 10:09:33 thx Jun 03 10:11:06 [2010-06-02 18:26:41] no external power? Jun 03 10:11:20 so that means n900 is supplying usb device? Jun 03 10:11:38 t-tan: I'll go over the whole 'echo foo >bar' shit today, will decode devcon for each one, and check what's going right or wrong and why. Guess we'll find a way to make the whole thing more reliable Jun 03 10:11:59 t-tan: keep in mind that's been a first rather blind shot by MohammadAG Jun 03 10:12:58 MohammadAG: did you use an unmodified, standard F-F adapter? Jun 03 10:13:10 yep Jun 03 10:13:41 he wouldn't even know how to mod it ;-P Jun 03 10:14:15 maybe it's prepared. who uses F-F anyway? Jun 03 10:14:27 he wouldn't even know how to mod it ;-P fu :P Jun 03 10:14:39 t-tan: there also might be quite some issues still with LS/FS/HS detection ans switching Jun 03 10:15:45 t-tan: so if e.g. you memstick wants to negotiate highest possible speed, and that fails as it's not even implemented yet, this would explain a lot Jun 03 10:16:00 after echo F, MohammadAG stays in 83 for about 5 secs, mine doesnt Jun 03 10:16:04 andre__, ping? Jun 03 10:16:17 t-tan, less after the reboot Jun 03 10:16:28 andre__, When I change the product of a bug in Bugzilla, the component list doesn't update - known issue? Jun 03 10:16:28 it stays about 1-3 seconds Jun 03 10:16:28 DocScrutinizer: I tried with stick, SD reader and keyboard Jun 03 10:16:43 DocScrutinizer: my keyboard is definitely not HS Jun 03 10:16:52 t-tan: that's weird. We need to check this with finer granularity, and decode the devcon states and try figure out what's going on Jun 03 10:17:09 MohammadAG: n900 can provide 5V@200mA over usb port? Jun 03 10:17:11 dneary, exact steps? and probably not a bug? Jun 03 10:17:18 jacekowski: yes Jun 03 10:17:23 jacekowski, yes, refer to DocScrutinizer for more details :) Jun 03 10:17:27 jacekowski: The battery charger chip has it as a feature Jun 03 10:17:28 for how long? Jun 03 10:17:35 infinite afaik Jun 03 10:17:38 jacekowski: Till the battery runs out Jun 03 10:17:41 unless you meant battery life Jun 03 10:17:43 ^ Jun 03 10:17:50 MohammadAG: that's what i meant Jun 03 10:17:54 DocScrutinizer: and MohammadAG's switches to mode=Host earlier, while mine stays in peripheral Jun 03 10:17:58 USB uses about as much as active 3g Jun 03 10:18:10 It's about 1/4 of battery life an hour Jun 03 10:18:14 a_host Jun 03 10:18:24 andre__, Bug #10513 was the one I was trying to change Jun 03 10:18:25 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10513 Deprecated HildonFontSelectionDialog used in maemo-examples Jun 03 10:18:36 MohammadAG: first line of musb_hdrc Jun 03 10:18:40 It was reported against Code examples-> MaemoExamples (or whatever) Jun 03 10:18:54 dneary, steps please. Jun 03 10:19:05 t-tan: definitely weird, as you both used same kernel and modules Jun 03 10:19:29 andre__, After changing the product, I was expecting the component list to update, but it doesn't. When I submit the bug (change product & mark as NEW) I *then* get prompted to choose the component Jun 03 10:19:32 DocScrutinizer: I also tried connecting immediately after the script or stopping bme Jun 03 10:19:42 dneary, same in every other bugzilla out there :) Jun 03 10:19:49 see gnome bugzilla 3.4 for example. Jun 03 10:20:06 andre__, The issue is that there are a number of promising products, and I have no idea which one contains the component of interest Jun 03 10:20:24 feel free to file an upstream bug if it does not exist yet. Jun 03 10:20:28 MohammadAG: does it work, if you plugin the device before starting the script? Jun 03 10:20:31 andre__, In GNOME Bugzilla, if it's a panel bug the product is "panel", not "Desktop platform" :) Jun 03 10:20:41 t-tan, no Jun 03 10:20:49 So it's more a question of categorisation than anything else Jun 03 10:20:53 dneary, how is that related to your original problem? Jun 03 10:20:58 Where should I report a bug against Hildon? Jun 03 10:21:03 jacekowski: USB boost mode delivers 1W. multiplied by a guessed factor of 1/0.8 for 80% efficiency that's 1.2W drawn from battery - on maximum load Jun 03 10:21:14 MohammadAG: or after the script, but before stopping bme? Jun 03 10:21:14 dneary, what is "hildon"? definitely under Desktop Platform Jun 03 10:21:18 andre__, My original problem was how to reassign a bug to the right place Jun 03 10:21:21 t-tan, no Jun 03 10:21:43 t-tan, it's still a crippled host mode, but it's an advance over the "Impossible" bit Jun 03 10:21:44 dneary, change product, choose "Reassign to default", cliuck "Submit", in next dialog choose Version and Component, done Jun 03 10:21:56 Changing the product & expecting to be able to see the component list was my way of trying to do that (and it was not an appropriate method) - so I had to guess a product & hope I was in the right place Jun 03 10:22:16 as said: does not exist - feel free to file upstream bug. Jun 03 10:22:24 andre__, OK - then I incorrectly changed the product to developer platform Jun 03 10:22:27 MohammadAG: hmm, not very convenient. why a GUI it the user has only 1sec to connect after pressing the button? Jun 03 10:22:33 hmm, i have to make a usb cable Jun 03 10:22:37 t-tan: that's been my question as well. And the "no" is also a weird bit yet to investigate Jun 03 10:22:44 t-tan, I never released the GUI Jun 03 10:22:45 andre__, I feel like you're getting annoyed or something Jun 03 10:23:02 DocScrutinizer, I leave investigations for you :) Jun 03 10:23:10 andre__, Just to repeat - this is indeed not a bug Jun 03 10:23:25 dneary, hehe, not really... probably more like general mood currently :) Jun 03 10:23:35 andre__, The bug, if there is one, is with Maemo bugzilla - it's really hard to know where to report bugs because there are so many products :) Jun 03 10:24:12 the usual problem with organically grown structures... I cleaned up a bit 18 months ago, also with splitting into platform and desktop Jun 03 10:24:27 if you have specific requests / improvements they are welcome Jun 03 10:24:51 andre__, Could you have a glance at the bug & suggest a compoennt for me, please? hildon-widgets doesn't sound right Jun 03 10:24:52 however the current classifications were meant to be a compromise between users looking for the right place, and developer teams Jun 03 10:25:31 dneary, I don't know how maintains maemo-examples. why did you move it at all? Jun 03 10:25:36 s/how/who Jun 03 10:26:47 andre__, The reason is in the comments. The old widget is deprecated, the bug reporter says we shouldn't be using deprecated widgets in code samples, but there is no inkling in the API docs of what a developer should move to from the deprecated widget - and GtkFontSelectionDialog is clearly not correct Jun 03 10:27:16 So it's up to the maintainers of Hildon widgets, when marking widgets as deprecated, to say what replaces them Jun 03 10:27:34 I could ask on a mailing list, I suppose... Jun 03 10:27:43 But then what good is Bugzilla? :) Jun 03 10:29:05 dneary: seems to me that the report should have remained where it was (maemo-examples) and instead a new bug blocking it should be create against hildon-widgets that its docu is outdated. Jun 03 10:29:20 andre__, Perhaps Jun 03 10:29:21 the report deals with two completely different issues now. Jun 03 10:29:27 That would have been a valid approach Jun 03 10:29:44 unsolvable now as it would require two different teams to fix the two issues. Jun 03 10:34:56 andre__, After all that, I found some docs in the Maemo 5 release notes Jun 03 10:35:07 Will propose a patch for API docs & code sample. Jun 03 10:35:26 ah, okay Jun 03 11:30:09 why is stuff all very green-tinted in Mirror, but make a skype video call to another n900 shows proper colour from the front cam? Jun 03 11:30:39 BCMM: Software filter? Jun 03 11:31:29 Mirror probably shows the raw non-processed feed. Jun 03 11:32:22 mplayer also shows it green-tinted Jun 03 11:32:23 speaking of noobs Jun 03 11:32:23 where is noobmonk3y Jun 03 11:32:27 back to lurking Jun 03 11:32:37 * noobmonk3y is working very very very hard i'll have you know! Jun 03 11:32:58 * noobmonk3y bleats Jun 03 11:32:58 is there a program other than video calls that shows the front cam image properly? Jun 03 11:33:28 healthcheck will show an image, but not the cam - mirror should though Jun 03 11:33:36 http://www.din-it-kunskap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/webbl%C3%A4sare-kvinnor.png heh Jun 03 11:33:38 allthough i think it may be flipped Jun 03 11:33:51 qwerty12 rocks! Jun 03 11:33:56 Also - mplayer Jun 03 11:33:59 MohammadAG: tis true Jun 03 11:34:09 mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0 Jun 03 11:34:11 or something Jun 03 11:34:16 MohammadAG: what he do now? Jun 03 11:34:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43395 Jun 03 11:34:34 lol frals Jun 03 11:36:28 tekojo: the yoyo ;) hehe Jun 03 11:36:52 noobmonk3y: moving from my desk to a meeting room :) Jun 03 11:36:58 lol :P Jun 03 11:37:28 hmmm which irc channel is most likely going to be able to help with why qt multimedia - defaultInputDevice doesnt work on the N900 (Python stylee) Jun 03 11:37:45 #qt-maemo ? Jun 03 11:37:55 * noobmonk3y has hit more dead ends then.... erm... something with a lot of dead ends Jun 03 11:38:14 ty tekojo Jun 03 11:38:25 noobmonk3y: #trouts-r-us Jun 03 11:39:14 frals: #trouts-r-us ..... really? can a trout use a phone?! Jun 03 11:39:23 * noobmonk3y apologises... phon'pooooter Jun 03 11:39:28 :D Jun 03 11:41:29 * Arkenoi browsed gconf to find out what is possibly wrong with my volume keys and found nothing suspicious. any ideas how to diagnose the problem? after pr1.2 fiasco flash i lost volume control function via hardware keys totally, they work as zoom/unzoon in all applications that do support zooming Jun 03 11:42:25 uh.. working as intended? as long as they control volume in media player etc Jun 03 11:43:04 frals, they do not Jun 03 11:43:28 they do nothing if an application does not support zooming Jun 03 11:43:35 weird o-O Jun 03 11:43:42 really Jun 03 11:44:41 scroll function in fbreader is not affected Jun 03 11:45:10 otherwise it would be way too annoying Jun 03 11:45:26 but it still sucks to change volume with touchscreen Jun 03 11:46:35 after all that QTmultimedia may be a dead end lol...... Jun 03 11:46:42 now whats this qtmobility malarky all about :P Jun 03 11:47:15 Arkenoi: See post of anidel@gmail.com to maemo-developers Zoom Keys when screen's locked Jun 03 11:47:38 btw, anyone know if any of the maemo maps apps can be launched via dbus pointing to a specific location? Jun 03 11:52:06 SpeedEvil, does not seem very helpful. i will probably will a bug. Jun 03 11:52:39 but i already expect what response would be: "reflash eMMC and restore your data" Jun 03 11:52:57 frals: I might be wrong, but I think I remember hearing that if a contact has a geo-location associated with it, it launches "Ovi" maps? Jun 03 11:53:03 frals: might be worth a try. Jun 03 11:53:05 fill a bug even Jun 03 11:53:06 frals: Would be nice if it could - I have an app which turns on GPS, and find the nearest Bus/Sub/Train-stop, and feeds me realtime data on what leaves when from that stop. Would be really nice to have a "Locate this stop" in that app Jun 03 11:53:26 alterego: thanks, will look in to it :) Jun 03 11:53:48 frals: np Jun 03 11:54:07 Well, I've had a mamoth refactoring session in a cafe this morning. Jun 03 11:54:20 trying to get fmms to play nice with mms's sent from s60 ovi maps which links to a location.. or rather, investigating if its worth spending time on :P Jun 03 11:54:31 Abstract all the generic code from my "Media IM Status Updater" into a few classes like "MediaMonitor" and "TelepathyMonitor" :) Jun 03 11:54:49 Though, right now I can't think of any app that is going to use these, I'm sure I'll find a use for them in the future. Jun 03 11:56:00 I also added a few new features, so now, if you configure an IM account half way through a song it'll update the presence status message straight away, as well as if an account connects mid track that has been configured it'll update straight away, where as before you had to wait for the track to change. Jun 03 11:56:48 alterego: that sounds interesting. is it in extras-devel or somewhere? Jun 03 11:56:55 So, I've created it as a settings/"Control Panel" plugin, now I just need to create a pretty icon and debianize it. Jun 03 11:56:59 alterego: and does it work together with the "show my location" function? Jun 03 11:57:19 as in, @ ? Jun 03 11:57:20 Shapeshifter: not yet, hopefully by this evening or tomorrow morning, depending on what I get up to today. Jun 03 11:57:36 nice Jun 03 11:57:36 Shapeshifter: no, not tested with "show my location" :) Jun 03 11:57:50 I imagine it wont work with it tbh. Jun 03 11:57:57 It should listen to the accellerometer too, and add (dancing) Jun 03 11:58:02 it probably overwrites the state. Jun 03 11:58:03 Hahah Jun 03 11:58:10 It does, Jun 03 11:58:18 alterego: just read out the current state, prepend the songname ? Jun 03 11:58:36 I was planning on adding geolocation to it btw :) So in future it'll just be a case of turning of the inbuilt geolocation and setting it up in my status updater. Jun 03 11:58:43 or rather, remove everything to the @, then prepend Jun 03 11:58:57 http://alterego.metapath.org/images/screenshots/Screenshot-20100602-132604.png Jun 03 11:58:58 oh well Jun 03 11:59:09 I'll add a %g for location or something in the future. Jun 03 11:59:10 cool Jun 03 11:59:11 I like it Jun 03 11:59:14 :D Jun 03 11:59:32 alterego: uhm what kind of checkbox widget is that >.> Jun 03 11:59:38 And before you ask, Python + PySide :P Jun 03 11:59:47 but it's not a QCheckbox is it Jun 03 11:59:51 It's just a Checkbox, it's the theming that makes it look like that I believe. Jun 03 11:59:55 ah Jun 03 11:59:57 Carbon theme Jun 03 12:00:00 nice Jun 03 12:00:07 DocScrutinizer, invite me please Jun 03 12:00:48 alterego: is it a daemon? Jun 03 12:01:02 as in, does it always need to run or can you hook on a trigger of song changing? Jun 03 12:01:20 Shapeshifter: it's a daemon, run by upstart and a cp plugin Jun 03 12:01:51 Is it possible to set HAM to _never_ do an automatic check for new versions? Jun 03 12:02:05 alterego; is the cp plugin in python as well? Jun 03 12:02:27 frals: indeed, wrapped in a C library Jun 03 12:02:45 phellarv: If I'm not mistaken you can remove the event from the alarmd queue. Not sure if that will be restored or if it will cause breakage. also, maybe there's an option somwhere... Jun 03 12:03:08 frals: I'm going to make the C python loader generic so you have a config option in your .desktop file to point at the specific python script. Jun 03 12:03:35 alterego: cool, got the code somewhere? not found anyone adding a python app as cp plugin yet :) Jun 03 12:03:50 frals: not yet, you'll have to wait :P Jun 03 12:04:24 Shapeshifter: M'Kay - Have to look for it then. I prefer to do my updates and check for updates in a controlled environment. Jun 03 12:04:28 frals: but I'll point you to it as soon as it's up. Jun 03 12:04:33 cheers Jun 03 12:04:51 have been meaning to make fapn a cp applet but not had the time to look into how to do it properly Jun 03 12:05:13 Well, I can't promise that this is "properly" ;) Jun 03 12:05:18 If it works, I'm happy :D Jun 03 12:05:27 Ugh Jun 03 12:05:32 s/properly/good enough/ Jun 03 12:05:32 frals meant: have been meaning to make fapn a cp applet but not had the time to look into how to do it good enough Jun 03 12:05:34 ;) Jun 03 12:05:34 Reboot when removing charger Jun 03 12:07:50 GAN900: Defect Battery? Jun 03 12:08:13 Anyhow, I've got some things to do. Jun 03 12:08:15 * alterego walks off. Jun 03 12:12:07 A Solar Charger with 1100 mAh LiPo battery in - Should keep me going for a couple of hours, am I right? Jun 03 12:12:32 what's the pipe key called? Jun 03 12:12:49 MohammadAG: pipe? Jun 03 12:12:54 ;-P Jun 03 12:13:08 doubt that lol Jun 03 12:13:26 i want to map it to the xterm UI buttons Jun 03 12:14:39 hash checking takes forever Jun 03 12:14:41 ugh Jun 03 12:14:41 MohammadAG: wiki says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar Jun 03 12:15:07 MohammadAG: bar Jun 03 12:15:17 MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=386724&postcount=8 Jun 03 12:15:20 haha Jun 03 12:15:32 | ? Jun 03 12:15:45 i always thought that was a pipe Jun 03 12:15:52 Drink@| Jun 03 12:15:56 heh Jun 03 12:16:29 MohammadAG: http://www.hello-world.com/computer_science/windows/keyboard.php Jun 03 12:16:52 drink@work atm, would like bar or terrace more Jun 03 12:16:53 must be an american/euro thing.. like lie-knicks vs lee-nux Jun 03 12:17:28 Macer; fwiw i say pipe as well, never heard anyone calling it bar until i saw that post Jun 03 12:18:40 heh Jun 03 12:18:42 "bar" is the key name for pipe Jun 03 12:19:10 jaska: you are going to hell for saying that Jun 03 12:19:21 macer: why? Jun 03 12:19:39 because perverts go to hell Jun 03 12:19:49 ah doh, frals did it too.. its not my term for it, i call it pipe myself Jun 03 12:20:08 macer, problem is, i cannot go to an imaginary location. Jun 03 12:20:13 oh just drag people down with you huh? Jun 03 12:20:37 tattle Jun 03 12:20:37 hi everyone! Jun 03 12:20:41 :) Jun 03 12:21:47 is anyone around willing to give pointers to a n00b that isnt getting the pr1.2 OTA upgrade on n900? Jun 03 12:23:47 omg. it is 58° Jun 03 12:23:56 F Jun 03 12:24:45 ZeNz0r I guess you would get this link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Jun 03 12:24:48 lies, its 15.8C Jun 03 12:25:13 IT IS JUNE... I am starting to suspect global "warming" is hitting chicago Jun 03 12:25:16 thks... i'll check it out and see if i'v done it Jun 03 12:25:25 i'v read plenty but with no results Jun 03 12:25:31 brb and thks for the link Jun 03 12:25:57 i mean dont get me wrong. i would rather freeze than sweat to death Jun 03 12:26:13 but still.. maybe forca is messed up Jun 03 12:28:11 hm Jun 03 12:28:18 zimbra server seems broken Jun 03 12:28:47 merlin1991 i'v already read that thread... i dlded the RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin but since im on win7 it didnt start, so im waiting till tomorrow to get on a XPbased PC and try that out again... but if i could manage OTA well it'd be done with Jun 03 12:30:55 hi, is there a way to rotate default display by 180 degree? Jun 03 12:31:25 i managed to peek into a file that lists ssu links... etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and verified that my ssu code isnt "mr0" or "203" it reads "204" and im guessing correcting that would enable the OTA update... is that wrong? Jun 03 12:31:52 the thing is i dont know how to open the file cause im a linux n00b... Jun 03 12:32:32 ZeNz0r: Get vim - edit file - win Jun 03 12:32:37 i just copied it into an accessible folder and read it on a PC... tried replacing it but it says i dont have permission even with "sudo gainroot" Jun 03 12:33:21 sry phellarv i dont know what u mean by that... is that xterminal code or an app? Jun 03 12:33:42 vim - win Jun 03 12:33:52 vim is an editor which you can use in the X-Terminal Jun 03 12:34:04 it's not beginner friendly Jun 03 12:34:26 yeah, is there nano? nano is good for beginners Jun 03 12:34:31 ShadowJK: It is - It's just picky on which users to be friendly with. Jun 03 12:34:38 and I don't think changing 204 will enable ota update Jun 03 12:34:53 so i get to the folder and type "vim - filename - win"? Jun 03 12:35:18 Hello ! Jun 03 12:35:22 I said not beginner friendly, I did not claim it's user unfriendly ;) Jun 03 12:35:45 ShadowJK: Always been friendly to me... Jun 03 12:35:48 ok shadowjk... if it wont enable the OTA update then i might just flash Jun 03 12:36:02 I think the easiest way to change from vodafone crippled variants and similar is to backup, reflash and restore.. Jun 03 12:36:03 ZeNz0r: Do the flash - much easier. Jun 03 12:36:08 And safer Jun 03 12:36:13 i mean i went through all the other tips and no luck Jun 03 12:36:27 this was the one i wasnt able to complete Jun 03 12:36:40 Hello, Does anybody know how to do modal dialog in Maemo by QT, i make by exec(), but it is not work? Jun 03 12:36:58 could u just verify if this is the right image... RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 03 12:36:59 there have been other people with 204 saying they can't upgrade, so I guess that means there's no upgrade for 204 yet Jun 03 12:37:08 How obnoxious Jun 03 12:37:12 im in portugal btw so i guess its the global update Jun 03 12:37:17 A bunch of the device queue people just linked to their blogs. Jun 03 12:37:25 I ve strange result while using a QAbstractKineticScroller with a QPlainTextEdit ... It s scroll really too fast, and the QPlainTextEdit doesn't stay in the windows frame after some scroll ... start at 50pixel left before the windows Jun 03 12:38:35 im in portugal but use english as main language since i rather find answers in google then typing in portuguese and not getting anything at all Jun 03 12:38:52 Whats the best widget to use to display resuls? Im using QListWidget at minute, is there better ones? Jun 03 12:38:53 so i wouldnt mind getting the UK update Jun 03 12:39:20 ZeNz0r: The UK update is the update for people using they phone inside the UK Jun 03 12:39:43 ok, so its location specific and not only language oriented? Jun 03 12:40:13 I've heard the differences are pretty small Jun 03 12:40:45 MohammadAG: ping? Jun 03 12:40:55 pong Jun 03 12:40:56 when i checked the image dld site there wasnt anything mentioning 204... do u know what thats for... or what it means? Jun 03 12:41:21 MohammadAG: Should packages like this depend on -dev packages? Jun 03 12:41:32 MohammadAG: Or only build-depend? :) Jun 03 12:41:52 which ones? Jun 03 12:42:02 * MohammadAG scrolls up Jun 03 12:42:07 MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libavahi-glib-dev/0.6.24-0maemo2/ Jun 03 12:42:16 Sorry, forgot to paste ;) Jun 03 12:43:25 X-Fade, not sure, i only removed upstart-job from the package Jun 03 12:43:34 technically, i'm not the maintainer :) Jun 03 12:43:36 Who can I ask about the rules of http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 ? Jun 03 12:43:43 MohammadAG: Yeah, I am wondering what to do with packages like this. Jun 03 12:43:48 There are some things that are not quite clear... Jun 03 12:44:00 MohammadAG: As -dev packages are only available in sdk repos. Jun 03 12:44:02 X-Fade, fireplace Jun 03 12:44:33 do other packages depend on it? Jun 03 12:45:23 luke-jr, ping? Jun 03 12:45:42 MohammadAG: Build-depends at least. Jun 03 12:46:01 X-Fade, so it won't be installed on a device Jun 03 12:46:18 MohammadAG: Can't be at least. Jun 03 12:47:46 so ... I run debian and I can build from source... all I would need to do is compile as ARM and im good to go with maemo? Jun 03 12:47:56 the whole SDK stuff is confusing me Jun 03 12:48:24 MohammadAG: Trying to get the repos in a consistent state, so I can rebuild the whole repo on OBS :) Jun 03 12:48:48 hmm Jun 03 12:48:51 MohammadAG: But currently a lot of build-depends stay in -devel. So rebuilding -testing for instance, is a pain. Jun 03 12:48:51 clone it? Jun 03 12:48:54 LaunchPad is officially useless. Jun 03 12:49:17 clone it and remove the packages which cause problems Jun 03 12:49:18 low battery Jun 03 12:49:29 That will be a lot ;) Jun 03 12:49:37 But I'll try another approach. Jun 03 12:49:45 symlink it :) Jun 03 12:50:17 i'm extremely busy and really code a lot on n900 these days when outside with hwkb Jun 03 12:51:04 hmiltn5, the sdk is more like this weird vm / cpu emulator thing.. Jun 03 12:51:31 MohammadAG: ask X-Fade about the tools Jun 03 12:52:04 ok so then simply just compile in arm arch ? Jun 03 12:52:12 X-Fade, we'll need to upload i2c-tools for hostmode, is it allowed? Jun 03 12:52:16 non user section Jun 03 12:52:20 inside the sdk, sure.. Jun 03 12:52:29 :-P Jun 03 12:52:36 MohammadAG: Is that a free package? Jun 03 12:52:47 MohammadAG: can't you do i2c inside of kernel? Jun 03 12:53:01 X-Fade, yes, but if misused it'll brick a device (HW brick) Jun 03 12:53:07 jacekowski: sure we can Jun 03 12:53:08 luke-jr, just using the address you provided Freenode, then. Jun 03 12:53:19 jacekowski, I can, but that means binaries in the source Jun 03 12:53:24 extract the relevant i2c to an independent apps Jun 03 12:53:38 MohammadAG: Fork it and only leave the safe things in? Jun 03 12:53:43 t-tan: ?? Jun 03 12:53:49 MohammadAG: well, cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd will brick it as well Jun 03 12:53:52 X-Fade, all binaries are unsafe Jun 03 12:53:53 X-Fade: not possible Jun 03 12:53:59 jacekowski, not a hardware brick Jun 03 12:54:04 jacekowski, i2c-tools provides access to the kernel's read and write i2c functions Jun 03 12:54:07 wtf Jun 03 12:54:08 that bricks the bootloader Jun 03 12:54:09 it just.. died? Jun 03 12:54:16 i2c can kill the whole mobo Jun 03 12:54:18 that is crap. it is probably hinet Jun 03 12:54:24 * Macer figures out a way to block all of hinet.net Jun 03 12:54:26 DocScrutinizer: we only need to commands: VBUS up and keep alive Jun 03 12:54:31 damn asians Jun 03 12:54:31 jacekowski: MohammadAG: nulling NOLO also will hw-brick Jun 03 12:54:48 DocScrutinizer, a serial flash would work Jun 03 12:54:57 or a jtag, if that exists Jun 03 12:55:00 t-tan: I'm aware of that, though it holds true for *now* only Jun 03 12:55:13 MohammadAG: right Jun 03 12:55:22 DocScrutinizer: you could add more later Jun 03 12:55:25 You could modify i2c-tools to only allow read and writes to bq24500 Jun 03 12:55:25 DocScrutinizer, i2c is unrecoverable Jun 03 12:55:32 at least not with a "light" swap Jun 03 12:55:41 as referred to in the service manuals Jun 03 12:55:48 it's a mid-level brick Jun 03 12:55:53 i2c is a full brick Jun 03 12:56:15 MohammadAG: that's much too technical, and doesn't matter here Jun 03 12:56:47 fact is we got /dev/i2c-2 and reading/writing to it may brick subsystems like BT, WLAN, etc Jun 03 12:56:47 DocScrutinizer, the package itself and our use of it is harmless Jun 03 12:56:56 the thing is that anything abused will brick device Jun 03 12:57:02 yep Jun 03 12:57:12 there is so many other ways to brick it Jun 03 12:57:25 so why do you care about stopping one way of bricking it? Jun 03 12:57:26 we got a tool that allows reading/writing these dev-nodes in a sane way, and also comes with a proper warning and howto Jun 03 12:57:33 not a full mobo brick :) Jun 03 12:57:54 MohammadAG: cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd will wipe everything Jun 03 12:57:56 jacekowski: exactly Jun 03 12:58:08 what is /dev/mtd Jun 03 12:58:09 jacekowski, read, not a full mobo brick Jun 03 12:58:10 ? Jun 03 12:58:14 BCMM dont ask Jun 03 12:58:17 /dev/mtd0 actually Jun 03 12:58:19 MohammadAG: it's full mobo brick Jun 03 12:58:25 you could echo something into /dev/I2C-2 and that would have same effect Jun 03 12:58:28 jacekowski, a serial flash fixes it Jun 03 12:58:40 yeah Jun 03 12:58:54 i2c bricks can't be fied Jun 03 12:59:04 jtag can fix everything Jun 03 12:59:19 MohammadAG: don't pretend you know what you're talking about ;-P Jun 03 12:59:37 DocScrutinizer, I can differentiate between brick levels Jun 03 12:59:44 ;-D Jun 03 13:00:00 anything that requires more than usb cable is brick that user can't recover from Jun 03 13:00:27 I'd feel safer with i2c-tools than in-kernel though... I don't trust you lot to write kernel code ;D Jun 03 13:00:44 well, all you *could* do (and it's not yet clear if that applies to N900 at all) is destroying your firmware in one of the subsystems attached thru I2C bus Jun 03 13:00:51 like BT, WLAN... Jun 03 13:01:10 ShadowJK: ack Jun 03 13:02:10 jacekowski: exactly. From this POV there's quite little to no diff between a NOLO brick and a BT brick Jun 03 13:02:24 I'm thinking it should be fairly simple to modify the relevant utilities in i2c-tools to only allow access to bus+address we know of Jun 03 13:02:37 ShadowJK: it is Jun 03 13:02:47 but why should we do that? Jun 03 13:03:04 just create tool that's based on i2ctools Jun 03 13:03:24 and can do one thing Jun 03 13:03:25 to save user from typing some weird i2cset comand while sleepwalking? Jun 03 13:03:43 or don't do it at all Jun 03 13:03:48 user shouldn't be typing i2cset commands :) Jun 03 13:03:54 exactly Jun 03 13:04:45 hm, can anybody tell me how i can enable 250MhZ when using titan's ideal settings per default? Jun 03 13:05:09 Is 650mA-750mA ok for charging the N900? Jun 03 13:05:20 500mA is ok Jun 03 13:05:25 or less Jun 03 13:05:27 or more Jun 03 13:05:29 phellarv: should be, usb gives only 500 max Jun 03 13:05:30 I think the minimum is 100mA Jun 03 13:05:45 usb charger gives something like 1.2A max Jun 03 13:05:51 so 100mA to 1200mA Jun 03 13:05:55 see, what's with OC kernel. MUCH easier to do harm to N900 hardware this way, more harm, and more known to work way to kill the device Jun 03 13:06:08 ShadowJK: can you charge it from 100mA? Jun 03 13:06:29 ShadowJK: or it will consume it faster than it charges? Jun 03 13:06:39 phellarv: nope, your charger should at least support 1000mA Jun 03 13:06:51 DocScrutinizer: i wasn't into OCing per default, just using lower power... Jun 03 13:07:01 DocScrutinizer: no evidence so far Jun 03 13:07:12 I'm wondering about buyin a Solar Charger - 1100mAh LiPo battery - Charging at 5,3V 650mA-750mA. Jun 03 13:07:21 phellarv: it's enough Jun 03 13:07:24 sure, TI gave us the evidence in their datasheets Jun 03 13:07:42 DocScrutinizer: no, only for overvoltage Jun 03 13:07:45 jacekowski, depends on what you do :) Jun 03 13:08:05 t-tan: for I2Cset there's no evidence it actually could brick anything at all n N900, so far Jun 03 13:08:18 hmmm, Jun 03 13:08:32 we could try that Jun 03 13:08:40 jacekowski, obviously you don't need much to consume more than 100mA.. if your battery normally lasts 10 hours or less the phone would be eating more than 100mA :) Jun 03 13:09:53 btw. i saw 10m ethernet cable for £50 yesterday Jun 03 13:10:02 just right next to USB cable for £25 Jun 03 13:10:06 * DocScrutinizer wnders how jacekowski wants to set N900 to 100mA charge mode, without messing around with bme and jrbme Jun 03 13:10:10 gold-plated connectors? Jun 03 13:10:18 BCMM: no Jun 03 13:10:35 i have seen special "AV" USB cables with prices like that Jun 03 13:10:47 (it's funny cause gold plating costs approximately nothing) Jun 03 13:10:54 just cheap belkin cables Jun 03 13:11:01 "cheap" Jun 03 13:11:10 hdmi cable for £40 ( gold plated ) Jun 03 13:11:51 there was some "high end" AV company that made digital stuff connected with rj-45 stuff (almost certainly basically cat-5) Jun 03 13:12:01 and they made their won cables for it at great expense Jun 03 13:12:09 with arrows on them telling you which way 'round they go Jun 03 13:12:33 real enthusiasts would be able to hear the loss of quality from connecting an ethernet cable backwards, you see Jun 03 13:14:12 actually, was it PC world? i recall all their USB cables being about £25 Jun 03 13:14:16 http://audio.x.pl/audio/audiovoodoo/shakti.htm Jun 03 13:14:24 BCMM: yes it was pc world Jun 03 13:14:26 (apart from the ones that came with something that cost less than £25...) Jun 03 13:14:43 http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp - $500 cat5 Jun 03 13:14:45 BCMM: but currys and staples had similiar prices Jun 03 13:14:55 well, i ended up buying USB hub for £7 Jun 03 13:15:21 heh, i got a usb hub from pound[world|land] last year Jun 03 13:15:29 it actually worked, sorta Jun 03 13:15:29 hahahaha Jun 03 13:15:43 didn't get on too well with my keyboard for some reason Jun 03 13:16:03 DocScrutinizer: @what? Jun 03 13:16:05 £1 usb hub? Jun 03 13:16:11 that's really cheap Jun 03 13:16:11 jacekowski: yeah Jun 03 13:16:29 i wouldn't expect that manufacturing + shipping from china is that cheap Jun 03 13:16:36 nearly all poundland's USB stuff is made by teh same company, who's name i forget Jun 03 13:16:44 jacekowski: well, they are pretty low quality Jun 03 13:16:51 well, shipping costs Jun 03 13:17:01 and that's independent on quality Jun 03 13:17:03 goldplated OFC powercord for amplifier, costing ~300 bucks. To connect the amp without any loss to the 3*1.5 NYM cable running inside the wall to your mains outlet Jun 03 13:17:05 and it came with an inch-long extension cable Jun 03 13:17:16 jacekowski, you can buy up RMAd hubs in bulk, run them through the oven and sell them as working Jun 03 13:17:42 jacekowski: meh, shipping, on ships, in whole containers probably comes out to be very little for small things Jun 03 13:17:42 DocScrutinizer: they have gold cables as well, and mains conditioners Jun 03 13:18:08 DocScrutinizer: maybe those people have entirely gold-plated houses Jun 03 13:18:12 ah, nothing like a perfectly shaped modified sine wave... Jun 03 13:18:13 (one can only hope) Jun 03 13:18:19 jacekowski: and magic clean air to feed to the speaker membranes ? XP Jun 03 13:18:38 ShadowJK: oven? Jun 03 13:18:39 DocScrutinizer: and special fuses for audio Jun 03 13:18:46 BCMM: smd oven Jun 03 13:18:48 BCMM: reflow Jun 03 13:19:13 or just your baking oven in between bread Jun 03 13:19:29 can't be too fuzzy when you try keep costs down Jun 03 13:19:30 actually, reminds me of somebody (of debatable realness) who blew up a computer by copper-plating the entire case (including insulating bits) Jun 03 13:19:36 hi everyone, somebody knows if maemo have a full emulator or a way to do that? Jun 03 13:19:43 jacekowski: ah, for components that didn't attach the first time? Jun 03 13:19:48 luizheyjr, no Jun 03 13:19:53 luizheyjr: emulator of what? Jun 03 13:20:23 an emulator like qemu or something Jun 03 13:20:25 luizheyjr: emulate maemo on maemo? maemo on something else? Jun 03 13:20:38 maemo on pc Jun 03 13:20:39 luizheyjr: yeah, i believe there is a VM Jun 03 13:20:41 oh Jun 03 13:20:51 i don't know Jun 03 13:21:04 * timeless_mbp looks for someone who uses MfE Jun 03 13:21:05 BCMM: no, that's how it's done 1st time Jun 03 13:21:13 impractical but funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU Jun 03 13:21:20 BCMM: solder paste with glue and shit Jun 03 13:21:32 BCMM: i mean blank pcb is covered with it Jun 03 13:21:38 BCMM: and then components are glued Jun 03 13:21:45 BCMM: using that Jun 03 13:21:52 BCMM: and then it goes to the oven Jun 03 13:22:16 I want to test my apps but i dont have a maemo device Jun 03 13:22:23 luizheyjr: scratchbox Jun 03 13:22:32 luizheyjr: there is all you need inside of it Jun 03 13:23:27 but the scratchbox only emulates the display manager, isnt it? Jun 03 13:23:34 Is there some way to disable the turn-to-mute feature in N900? Jun 03 13:23:37 luizheyjr: What does your app do? Jun 03 13:23:50 luizheyjr: Also - I note that extras-devel can be used for this Jun 03 13:23:55 luizheyjr: yeah, no real reason to emulate an n900 when you can just compile stuff for your desktop instead Jun 03 13:23:59 some poit of sales like app Jun 03 13:24:00 you upload your app there - and ask questions about it Jun 03 13:24:09 (unless you do soemthing odd with hardware, or wanna know about performance) Jun 03 13:24:09 luizheyjr: it emulates everything Jun 03 13:24:11 luizheyjr: What does it do that you can't do on the desk? Jun 03 13:24:15 jacekowski: No, it doesn'.t Jun 03 13:24:23 luizheyjr: well, everything you need Jun 03 13:24:24 jacekowski: Not camera/phone/accelerometer Jun 03 13:28:09 I ve strange result while using a QAbstractKineticScroller with a QPlainTextEdit ... It s scroll really too fast, and the QPlainTextEdit doesn't stay in the window frame after some scroll ... start at 50 pixel left before the windows ? any idea ? This doesn't happen when i use a QTextEdit Jun 03 13:29:04 so if I only compile an app for maemo it will run exactly like in the scratchbox appears right? Jun 03 13:29:12 Khertan_ better ask in the qt channel? Jun 03 13:29:52 woglinde: hum ... :) already ask no answer ... so as it s a bit specifics to maemo ... i try if someone already have this problem here :) Jun 03 13:29:59 luizheyjr: not completely exactly Jun 03 13:30:09 luizheyjr: i mean, performance is bound to differ Jun 03 13:30:15 hummm ok Jun 03 13:30:19 and poorly-written apps could work on one and not the other Jun 03 13:30:22 woglinde: on qt ... there is few people using specificity of maemo Jun 03 13:30:26 woglinde: on qt ... there is few people using specificities of maemo Jun 03 13:30:36 :) Jun 03 13:30:42 but i veliev the official advice is "get it working right in scratchbox, then check if it works on a device" Jun 03 13:30:54 s/v/b/ Jun 03 13:30:54 BCMM meant: but i believ the official advice is "get it working right in scratchbox, then check if it works on a device" Jun 03 13:31:09 wow Jun 03 13:31:14 infobot is awesome Jun 03 13:31:35 yes. Jun 03 13:31:43 * BCMM hugs infobot Jun 03 13:31:57 yeah, no real reason to emulate an n900 when you can just compile stuff for your desktop instead <<< except for QtMaemo5 qt module := Jun 03 13:31:58 :) Jun 03 13:38:30 TomaszD: ping Jun 03 13:38:48 the last question lol :D how can I emulate the acelerometers action, I mean need I do something in the code to make my app able to be viewed in portrait or landscape way? Jun 03 13:39:12 khertan wasnt there qt-maemo channel? Jun 03 13:39:59 Khertan_, could you tell me how to get setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True) to work in PyQt4? Jun 03 13:40:33 easy :) Jun 03 13:40:43 Khertan_, works fine in pyside, but scrolling of qtextedit didn't wokrk in pyside :/ Jun 03 13:41:19 ah Jun 03 13:41:30 yes i see it Jun 03 13:41:41 and there is also pb with keyPressedEvent in pyside Jun 03 13:41:47 ZogG, ping Jun 03 13:41:51 fixed now ... but still not available in repository Jun 03 13:42:22 khertan is pyside this much better now than pyqt? Jun 03 13:43:15 Mece: i simply set self.setAttribute(QtCore.Qt.WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, True) Jun 03 13:43:18 in pyqt Jun 03 13:43:29 works fine since PR1.2 Jun 03 13:46:19 Khertan_, I don't want auto, but ok, was missing the QtCore there. Jun 03 13:46:29 ah :) Jun 03 13:46:48 PyQt4.QtCore.Qt.WA* to be exact Jun 03 13:46:59 :) Jun 03 13:47:02 * noobmonk3y blinks Jun 03 13:47:11 and of course do not forget to import PyQt4.QtMaemo5 Jun 03 13:47:36 Khertan_: are you clear on qtmultimedia v qtmobility? - it seems audioinput doesnt work on the n900 with multimedia, so was thinking of trying mobility Jun 03 13:54:51 Khertan_, doesn't seem to work. Jun 03 13:57:50 noobmonk3y: don't know ... never try to use it :) Jun 03 13:59:06 frals, remember the post i linked to (qwerty12)? Jun 03 14:04:54 :) Jun 03 14:06:18 Google Docs is so unpleasant to use in MicroB. Jun 03 14:17:23 GAN900, Yes Jun 03 14:18:04 * GAN900 gives us Jun 03 14:18:22 up* Jun 03 14:18:41 * noobmonk3y throws frals @ GAN900 Jun 03 14:22:11 what is the best weather application/applet for the N900? Jun 03 14:24:13 there's the new weatherbug, but i haven't tried it yet Jun 03 14:24:48 http://maemoarena.com/2010/05/new-apps-games-coming-your-way-for-nokia-n900/ Jun 03 14:27:11 crap. err Khertan_, are you still here? Jun 03 14:29:21 X-Fade: ping Jun 03 14:29:37 Mece: ... but a bit busy Jun 03 14:29:56 DocScrutinizer: pong Jun 03 14:30:21 or maybe somebody else may tell me: am I supposed to have admin rights for the garage ML of my project Jun 03 14:30:27 visz: are those ovi apps you need to pay for? Jun 03 14:30:51 DocScrutinizer: Yes Jun 03 14:31:03 hmm, it asks for a admin pw Jun 03 14:31:47 I can't remember having that configured any time Jun 03 14:32:01 Khertan_, are you using pyside or pyqt in khteditor? Jun 03 14:32:02 maybe I just forgot? Jun 03 14:32:28 Mece: pyqt Jun 03 14:32:50 DocScrutinizer: I can reset it. Whatis your project? Jun 03 14:32:52 Khertan_, ok, because of the scrolling in qtestedit or..? Jun 03 14:32:54 as i plan to release a first version soon ... pyqt isn't ready yet ... Jun 03 14:33:03 Mece: and other problems :) Jun 03 14:33:11 pyside isn't ready you mean. Jun 03 14:33:14 pyside bug#207 Jun 03 14:33:14 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207 RFE: Bluetooth PAN Jun 03 14:33:19 Mece: :) Jun 03 14:33:44 X-Fade: if it's really been entered by me before, I will find it again. Just can't remember I have set any dedicated ML admin pw Jun 03 14:34:07 Khertan_, well seems that manual rotation doesn't work in pyqt... Jun 03 14:34:25 DocScrutinizer: resetting is easy ;) Jun 03 14:34:31 DocScrutinizer: list name? Jun 03 14:34:56 pyside on an embedded device? Jun 03 14:34:58 that's crazy Jun 03 14:35:24 Mece: strange Jun 03 14:35:36 Mece: ask to achipa ... maybe it can help Jun 03 14:35:39 you Jun 03 14:35:42 s/it/he Jun 03 14:36:06 ~seen achipa Jun 03 14:36:10 achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 1h 50m 16s ago, saying: 'tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be.'. Jun 03 14:38:21 loufoque, don't know if weatherbug is free or not Jun 03 14:38:33 apparently it's no longer on ovi Jun 03 14:39:38 Interesting. Jun 03 14:39:54 what is? Jun 03 14:39:56 After watching half of top-gear - my display wedged, and now won't unblank or react to lock Jun 03 14:40:18 oh - touching unblanked - but it's frozen on one image - even after killing browserd Jun 03 14:40:22 how do you watch top gear on your n900? Jun 03 14:40:57 [89946.780700] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered Jun 03 14:40:57 I guess Jun 03 14:41:00 bbc iplayer Jun 03 14:41:13 so through flash? Jun 03 14:41:17 yes Jun 03 14:42:33 flash sux0rs Jun 03 14:42:55 though that appears to not be a flash bug Jun 03 14:43:47 no Jun 03 14:44:32 eeew nasty Jun 03 14:44:46 hardware recovery - LOL Jun 03 14:45:53 SpeedEvil: seems it forgot to kill the adjacent process same time? Jun 03 14:46:48 that sygic maps thing, it's only a free trial and then you have to pay!? Jun 03 14:47:03 which would be, in this case, err... flash? Jun 03 14:47:43 since when is flash hw accelerated? Jun 03 14:48:43 since a long time ago Jun 03 14:48:44 thought I hear rant it isn't and won't ever be Jun 03 14:49:00 on N900 Jun 03 14:49:26 timeless_mbp: ^^^ ? Jun 03 14:49:38 loufoque it isnt that long time Jun 03 14:49:44 last year for windows Jun 03 14:50:03 please hold Jun 03 14:50:13 ...the line :-D Jun 03 14:50:56 DocScrutinizer: 10.1 has hardware accell. Jun 03 14:51:14 DocScrutinizer: But SGX is used for regular painting on the screen too. Jun 03 14:51:17 duh, so we got 10.1 on N900 now? Jun 03 14:51:22 no ;) Jun 03 14:51:35 aah, ok. Now that makes sense Jun 03 14:51:56 10.1 has hw accel for sgx Jun 03 14:51:58 wau Jun 03 14:52:15 Is there any way I can submit a useful bugreport - does it dump info anywhere? Jun 03 14:52:26 nnnnh, not sure if that's exactly what X-Fade said Jun 03 14:52:38 * woglinde wonders when flash 10.1 for n8x0 will come out Jun 03 14:52:47 *g* Jun 03 14:52:51 N900 has OpenGL ES 2.0 Jun 03 14:52:57 and flash can use that afaik Jun 03 14:53:16 SpeedEvil: There is an internal bug for it at least. Jun 03 14:53:18 gaddamm crap . this is seriously annoying. why don't i get an error when the rotation stuff fails.. grr. Jun 03 14:53:23 X-Fade: K Jun 03 14:53:29 loufoque so you are familiar with the internals of the flash-plugin Jun 03 14:53:33 Mece: what do you mean when the rotation fails Jun 03 14:53:41 * DocScrutinizer has couldy memories of timeless_mbp elaborating on this in epic length Jun 03 14:53:48 DocScrutinizer: flash isn't a process Jun 03 14:53:51 woglinde: no Jun 03 14:53:55 it's just part of a browserd insitance Jun 03 14:54:00 Flash is a disease! Jun 03 14:54:01 :) Jun 03 14:54:04 well when it doesn't rotate., Jun 03 14:54:04 timeless_mbp: it is a process if you use chrome Jun 03 14:54:08 * SpeedEvil wishes it was a process. Jun 03 14:54:10 DocScrutinizer: With the danger of being kicked for arguing with you again.. if you long-click a flashapplet and select settings you'll see that you can select hardware acceleration on and off on the N900... Jun 03 14:54:16 loufoque: there's no Chrome for the n900 Jun 03 14:54:18 Mece: in what application? what context? Jun 03 14:54:25 hm what was thise side which converts flash to html5/javascript again Jun 03 14:54:28 smokesomething Jun 03 14:54:39 timeless_mbp: so you think Jun 03 14:54:46 woglinde: It basically dies on n900 Jun 03 14:54:52 DocScrutinizer: don't know how much it does though.. :) Jun 03 14:54:58 so when we talk about the n900, we aren't talking about Chrome Jun 03 14:54:58 and people wouldn't be stupid enough to ask me for comments about Chromium Jun 03 14:54:58 since I don't work on Chromium Jun 03 14:54:58 loufoque: or "Get off my lawn!" Jun 03 14:55:03 me neither Jun 03 14:55:11 hehe Jun 03 14:55:16 I want chroium os Jun 03 14:55:29 loufoque, in pyqt self.setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True) Jun 03 14:55:36 just joking Jun 03 14:55:53 timeless_mbp: so has the flash implemetation we got now on N900 *any* special hw accel ? Jun 03 14:56:17 SpeedEvil: bug #9150 Jun 03 14:56:18 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150 Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU Jun 03 14:56:23 DocScrutinizer: for video? dunno, perhaps Jun 03 14:56:26 i suppose i could ask Jun 03 14:56:34 but SGX isn't DSP Jun 03 14:56:38 SGX is just buggy Crap Jun 03 14:56:44 it does look a little different with hw acceleration on i think... :/ Jun 03 14:57:02 SGX resets are an unfortunate thing that happen Jun 03 14:57:15 iirc there were some attempts to resolve them, but they broke things :) Jun 03 14:57:18 X-Fade: Ah - thanks Jun 03 14:57:53 timeless_mbp: so who's master of SGX here? flash? X? Jun 03 14:58:33 roughly X Jun 03 14:58:47 k, thanks. All I wanted to know Jun 03 14:58:55 what is SGX? Jun 03 14:59:36 hey all Jun 03 15:00:01 anyone know if sshd will allow incomming connections over GPRS/3G and if not, how to configure it to allow it? Jun 03 15:00:40 PhonicUK: your network might be silly about it Jun 03 15:00:54 PhonicUK: many networks will not allow inbound connections. Jun 03 15:00:57 For good reasons. Jun 03 15:01:00 (i don't even get a proper ip) Jun 03 15:01:18 hmm Jun 03 15:01:29 I'm on T-Mobile UK Jun 03 15:01:38 PhonicUK: if you're behind a NAT then you lose Jun 03 15:01:50 good point Jun 03 15:01:56 PhonicUK: well, check your ip Jun 03 15:01:56 PhonicUK: Do you get lots of inbound packets wrecking your battery life from people scanning for vulns? Jun 03 15:02:10 nope, I only want this as a temporary thing Jun 03 15:02:12 If not then you can't get inbound connections Jun 03 15:02:16 mine starts in 10 Jun 03 15:02:35 #define POWERVR_SERVICES_KEY "\\Registry\\Machine\\System\\CurrentControlSet\\Services\\PowerVR\\" <- nice stuff in that add_nokia_sgx_driver.patch :) Jun 03 15:02:46 lol. Jun 03 15:02:48 PhonicUK: i have t mobile and a local ip so you are most likely out of luck Jun 03 15:03:08 WhatsMyIp shows as 217.154.25.22 Jun 03 15:03:09 PhonicUK: you can "reverse ssh" using a tunnel though Jun 03 15:03:19 PhonicUK: try ifconfig Jun 03 15:03:21 PhonicUK: just compare your local IP (as of e.g. ifconfig) with the one an arbitrary info webpage or wiki shows Jun 03 15:03:31 yes, exactly Jun 03 15:04:08 or apt-get install traceroute Jun 03 15:04:17 yay Jun 03 15:04:18 lol whoops I used Wifi to check xD Jun 03 15:04:24 lol Jun 03 15:05:04 10.213.20.59 in ifconfig, 149.254.49.9 in whatsmyip, damnit NAT Jun 03 15:05:20 I'd have to use a UDP tunnel from both sides :\ Jun 03 15:05:24 usual standard Jun 03 15:05:38 Or reverse ssh tunnel Jun 03 15:05:44 Can't do that :\ Jun 03 15:05:47 or vpn to a public box Jun 03 15:05:47 I plan on setting that up at some point Jun 03 15:05:55 other side won't allow incomming connections xD Jun 03 15:05:58 ssh out to a server somewhere. Jun 03 15:06:02 aye Jun 03 15:06:09 this server then accepts and forwards connects to you Jun 03 15:06:25 I'm at work and I want to SSH into my device, but the work WiFi is a seperate network from the one the machines are on Jun 03 15:06:30 lol Jun 03 15:06:30 jaska lol Jun 03 15:06:46 PhonicUK: usb cable ftw? Jun 03 15:06:47 hmm, vpn, or ssh... probably not much of a difference for that purpose Jun 03 15:06:51 jasak this seems to come from poulsbo crap I guess Jun 03 15:07:00 possible Jun 03 15:07:01 PhonicUK: Do check you're not violating local policy with this. Circumventing network admins can get hairy. Jun 03 15:07:04 hmm, I hadnt thought about net-usb actually Jun 03 15:07:33 Theres nothing in the policy to stop me from SSH'ing to off-site machines Jun 03 15:07:41 i missed a bit fron 'net dropping out Jun 03 15:07:45 its pretty liberal Jun 03 15:07:55 What I can't do is create tunnels that would allow incomming connections Jun 03 15:08:12 do you get a real ip address from t mobile? Jun 03 15:08:20 BCMM: solved - no Jun 03 15:08:30 BCMM: basically - that would be a horribly bad idea. Jun 03 15:08:34 BCMM: generally. Jun 03 15:08:37 yep Jun 03 15:08:46 ah well its not important anyways Jun 03 15:08:48 BCMM: check tcpdump or whatever on a machine exposed to the internet Jun 03 15:08:49 want ipv6... Jun 03 15:09:03 BCMM: one packet every 30s will destroy battery life Jun 03 15:09:04 a configurable (or PnP) NAT was quite nice though Jun 03 15:09:15 should make the space big enough that random scans wouldn't hit much Jun 03 15:09:20 I wonder if the T-Mobile NAT allows for uPnP Jun 03 15:09:23 probably not :\ Jun 03 15:09:29 BCMM: Or support signed packets Jun 03 15:09:33 for sure not Jun 03 15:09:49 SpeedEvil: and i know, i sometimes read my ssh logs for amusement Jun 03 15:10:11 the names people seem to think are common... Jun 03 15:10:21 hehe Jun 03 15:10:28 BCMM_: what do you want ipv6 for? Jun 03 15:11:11 * satmd raises his hand... I have a v6-only network with v4-to-v6-translation on the gateway Jun 03 15:12:20 loufoque: big enough space that A) there would be addresses for phones, and B) random scanning would be unfeasible Jun 03 15:14:07 BCMM_: your 3G carrier isn't going to give you ipv6, you know Jun 03 15:14:20 and most wifis won't either Jun 03 15:14:44 back again... Jun 03 15:14:53 BCMM: your 3G carrier isn't going to give you ipv6, you know Jun 03 15:14:54 and most wifis won't either Jun 03 15:16:13 loufoque: i mean, want a general switchover to occur Jun 03 15:16:31 i think the n900 does it already Jun 03 15:17:02 not the default kernel Jun 03 15:17:18 heh. Jun 03 15:20:13 MohammadAG: ? noobmonk3y: ? Jun 03 15:20:22 frals ? Jun 03 15:20:32 is there any battery applet without extras-testing? Jun 03 15:20:49 you highlighted me! Jun 03 15:21:28 loufoque: not at the mo - but a few apps - http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=battery&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search Jun 03 15:21:31 frals? Jun 03 15:21:39 i always throw you about the place, was a long time ago! Jun 03 15:21:47 is there a maemo irc client that supports maemoish scrolling? Jun 03 15:22:04 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout Jun 03 15:22:06 bah! Jun 03 15:22:10 * noobmonk3y grins Jun 03 15:22:11 * frals returns to kitchen duty Jun 03 15:22:12 (as in, no scrollbar, drag contents up instead) Jun 03 15:22:19 * noobmonk3y thinks frals needs a new pinny Jun 03 15:22:28 noobmonk3y: which one of these two is the best btw? Jun 03 15:22:54 loufoque: what do you want it to do? i use battery eye - as it just works :) Jun 03 15:23:05 battery graph just always seemed a bit too complex for my needs Jun 03 15:23:15 even healthcheck will give you some battery info :P Jun 03 15:23:18 GeneralAntilles: o that was you? Jun 03 15:23:31 BCMM: not sure , doubt it Jun 03 15:23:41 noobmonk3y: having stats is always useful to analyse how I use my phone Jun 03 15:23:45 loufoque: do 3G carriers usually block IPv6? 4G requires it Jun 03 15:23:52 :) good point loufoque Jun 03 15:24:03 noobmonk3y: also, it has perhaps the only eye-themed logo I've ever seen that doesn't look like ass Jun 03 15:24:17 s//icon/, whichever Jun 03 15:24:21 which app sp3000 ? Jun 03 15:24:30 the one with the eye in the name, doh :) Jun 03 15:24:34 ohhhh Jun 03 15:24:35 battery eye Jun 03 15:24:42 * noobmonk3y is slow, sun is out lol Jun 03 15:25:22 w0000p healthcheck hit 80k downloads.... time for a new version i feel Jun 03 15:25:26 luke-jr: there is such a thing as deployed 4G? Jun 03 15:25:40 loufoque: IIRC Jun 03 15:26:39 loufoque: we got LTE net deployed in .se Jun 03 15:26:51 frals: sweden sucks ass Jun 03 15:26:57 * noobmonk3y grins, giggles and jumps about Jun 03 15:27:15 actually you lot are quite often first in the world of tech these days :P Jun 03 15:27:21 frals: what kind of devices support it? Jun 03 15:27:22 sadly Jun 03 15:27:34 sweden doesn't suck as bad as norway Jun 03 15:27:35 loufoque: btw, how can you possibly complain that a company spent money making a decent map application and wants to run a business selling it Jun 03 15:27:37 loufoque: 4g dongles for now i thought? Jun 03 15:27:56 they might even be nice enough to give you a trial, so you can decide that it's worth your money Jun 03 15:27:59 timeless_mbp: I'm simply looking for a free alternative Jun 03 15:28:01 instead of just taking it in advance Jun 03 15:28:04 Mappero Jun 03 15:28:17 we have deployed wimax Jun 03 15:28:24 but nokia dropped wimax support Jun 03 15:28:27 loufoque: a few modems on the market support it Jun 03 15:28:45 as in dongles Jun 03 15:28:50 there are probably 20-30 WiMax deployments in the world Jun 03 15:29:24 oh how i remember the hype days of wimax Jun 03 15:29:34 back in early 200x Jun 03 15:29:35 kinda funny, theres a flying baloonzeppelinthingy which says "Welcome to the 4G Zone" pretty close to my uni Jun 03 15:30:19 frals: lay of the weed Jun 03 15:30:49 oh mappero is in extras-testing now Jun 03 15:31:00 maybe I should enable that repository in the end Jun 03 15:31:26 the ovi map downloader thingy downloads voices too... theyre wavs Jun 03 15:34:36 loufoque: AFAIK, Sprint has deployed 4G somewhat Jun 03 15:35:14 if you can give me worldwide unlimited 4G, I'll be so happy I'll give everyone in the channel a free beer Jun 03 15:35:50 loufoque: that'll take a long time before that happens. Jun 03 15:36:20 very funny: from openpandora forums "The Device Customer" http://www.fullsack.com/images/rocky0B.jpg Jun 03 15:37:36 pupnik: idgi Jun 03 15:37:37 loufoque: you can't get worldwide unlimited anything Jun 03 15:37:45 loufoque: there's no 3G where I live, for example Jun 03 15:37:50 ? Jun 03 15:38:06 no 3g here either, not even edge, and im in .fi :) Jun 03 15:39:30 because different telcos around the world have different business models, getting a flat rate anything is next to impossible. Jun 03 15:42:25 jaska: living i a cave? Jun 03 15:43:57 docscrutinizer: nah, just not in a city, and im using the operator that has crappier 3g coverage (read: nonexistent outside cities), the other operator had poor voice service back in 90s Jun 03 15:44:32 * loufoque installs Qt Jun 03 15:44:37 * loufoque loses 7 MB Jun 03 15:45:21 SwedeMike: they need to understand they should be nothing more than dumb pipes Jun 03 15:46:41 dumb pipes get congested Jun 03 15:47:09 haha, and the operator is going to try to stop providing unlimited data, guess i might as well get rid of having a cell phone contract and just use email Jun 03 15:47:23 loufoque: that's nothing they strive for. Jun 03 15:51:53 timeless_mbp: can mappero work offline as well? Jun 03 15:52:03 it should Jun 03 15:52:08 its predecessor in name only did Jun 03 15:54:46 re Jun 03 15:54:59 how can i recover my IM and email passwords from n900? I have two i forgot good enough which i do not want to reset.. are they in gconf somewhere? Jun 03 15:55:51 I would appreciate if someone could give me a hand on this: I got maemo sdk installed on a 32-bit vm, armel target set - but i get lots of qemu errors like this: Jun 03 15:56:03 getsockopt level=1 optname=17 not yet supported Jun 03 15:56:04 GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running Jun 03 15:56:10 then it segfaults Jun 03 15:56:19 does anyone have any clue on what's going on? Jun 03 15:56:25 or how I could investigate better? Jun 03 15:56:38 Arkenoi: there's a microb extension which includes a password manager from gecko iirc Jun 03 15:56:51 or you could copy the profile to a desktop computer and use firefox to view them Jun 03 15:56:58 btw maybe the fact that there is no D-Bus daemon running might be related to a crash after af-sb-init.sh start is called? Jun 03 15:57:02 that's assuming you're using the browser to do IM and email Jun 03 15:57:14 if you actually mean IM and email Jun 03 15:57:17 * timeless_mbp has no idea Jun 03 15:57:18 timeless_mbp: can't find how to download maps Jun 03 15:57:45 timeless_mbp, not site passwords, but ones i use for email and IM accounts Jun 03 15:58:05 yep, i actually mean im and email ;-) Jun 03 15:58:39 tap the title, select maps, select managemaps Jun 03 15:58:45 the dialog is kinda wonky Jun 03 15:59:00 but you pick an area, the zoom levels and tell it to download Jun 03 15:59:03 it probably does what you want Jun 03 15:59:24 you might be able to use the repositories and 'sync' buttons Jun 03 15:59:49 * timeless_mbp shrugs Jun 03 15:59:56 i'm not saying mappero's ui is perfect Jun 03 16:00:02 Maep's ui is much simpler and shinier Jun 03 16:02:53 how do you disable the nokia hands video already? Jun 03 16:03:13 [loufoque]: Easiest way would be PowaTool, I think it's in extras-devel though Jun 03 16:03:37 edit /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf with vi (or nano?) and put a # in front of the filename= line Jun 03 16:03:51 thanks jaska Jun 03 16:07:18 hey peeps... are you experiencing seemingly random shut downs after upgrading to 1.2 ? Jun 03 16:07:57 what does cat /proc/bootreason say after a shutdown? Jun 03 16:08:15 and no Jun 03 16:08:17 I'll have to check Jun 03 16:08:35 it's happened couple of times Jun 03 16:08:42 where can I find the bzip2 package? Jun 03 16:08:57 who highlighted me? Jun 03 16:09:17 it's in one of the repos loufoque Jun 03 16:09:25 loufoque: try tools maybe Jun 03 16:09:31 i've got everything but extras-devel Jun 03 16:09:59 How can I tell where a package came from? Jun 03 16:10:04 devel and tools Jun 03 16:10:45 Or maybe sdk Jun 03 16:11:57 SpeedEvil: dpkg -l | grep packagename Jun 03 16:12:44 dpkg -l |grep bzip2 Jun 03 16:12:44 ii bzip2 1:1.0.5-3+0m5 high-quality block-sorting file compressor - utilities Jun 03 16:13:04 how come I've got lots of missing packages Jun 03 16:13:04 err- no Jun 03 16:13:13 is it because there is less stuff for PR1.2? Jun 03 16:18:31 How do I set my profile picture on maemo.org? I've signed in - clicked on my profile - and I see no way to edit it. Jun 03 16:19:05 Have you tried changing forum profile? Jun 03 16:19:54 you mean talk profile? Jun 03 16:20:01 Yeah Jun 03 16:20:08 SpeedEvil, apt-cache policy package Jun 03 16:20:22 i think Jun 03 16:20:25 http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=24189 - me looking all hot. http://maemo.org/profile/view/speedevil/ - blank! Jun 03 16:20:25 * wall[e] tries Jun 03 16:20:28 Oh noes! Jun 03 16:21:05 hmm. Jun 03 16:21:13 hm, where do i set start-up commands to be executed on the n900? i can't either locate rc.local nor something like local.start ;/ Jun 03 16:21:21 well, only work if you didn't already have it installed Jun 03 16:22:04 ah Jun 03 16:22:13 mikki-kun: Depends when Jun 03 16:22:20 mikki-kun: Once X has come u? Jun 03 16:22:20 p Jun 03 16:22:37 SpeedEvil: so how can I install bzip2? Jun 03 16:22:50 SpeedEvil: hm... most likely i'll be looking for that Jun 03 16:22:57 /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*\ Jun 03 16:23:12 thanks :) Jun 03 16:23:17 Add something in the '80' range and it'll come up when everything else is done Jun 03 16:23:34 Add an '01' and it starts before the little blobs Jun 03 16:24:22 Arkenoi: gconftool-2 -R /apps/modest/server_accounts Jun 03 16:25:01 hm... it would be a small script in allowing a certain frequency in titan's ideal kernel and changing the max to 600... you maybe know when that is done? Jun 03 16:26:40 http://pastebin.com/6CifeZcb loufoque Jun 03 16:26:44 My repos file Jun 03 16:26:49 It's in one of these. Jun 03 16:27:02 I can't work out how to determine which. Jun 03 16:27:09 Well - I probably could - but... Jun 03 16:27:19 I have more important stuff to do. Jun 03 16:27:28 * SpeedEvil returns to vacuuming his belly-button. Jun 03 16:29:57 according to this http://maemo.org/packages/view/bzip2/ Jun 03 16:30:10 it's in Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2) Jun 03 16:30:13 which one is that Jun 03 16:31:00 Well - look at my above paste Jun 03 16:31:06 tehre is on ly one with ssu in the name Jun 03 16:31:08 copy that lien Jun 03 16:31:18 there are two Jun 03 16:31:22 one I already have Jun 03 16:31:44 have you tried apt-get install bzip23? Jun 03 16:31:47 2 Jun 03 16:33:28 yes, no such package Jun 03 16:35:06 hmm this didn't change anything Jun 03 16:36:39 Arkenoi: succes? Jun 03 16:40:34 vldcnst, nope, no passwords there Jun 03 16:41:19 Strange, thats where my password is stored. PR 1.2? Jun 03 16:42:23 Also, what version did you have when you added the email account? Jun 03 16:42:50 yep Jun 03 16:42:53 1.1.1 Jun 03 16:43:43 SpeedEvil: I enabled almost all of those you gave, still no bzip2 Jun 03 16:44:41 Arkenoi: did you try /home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg ? I don't remember if they fixed that after or before 1.1 Jun 03 16:45:12 you did update ? Jun 03 16:45:19 go to the app-manager - click update Jun 03 16:46:56 I did apt-get update Jun 03 16:47:51 I'm not completeyl sure that does the same thing Jun 03 16:50:50 i tried both anyway Jun 03 16:51:04 vldcnst, settings seem to be there but passwords are not Jun 03 16:55:14 loufoque: strange... try "apt-cache search bzip2" or something to find out whether it has a weird name (?) Jun 03 16:59:18 I get fbreader, p7zip-full and libbz2-1.0 Jun 03 16:59:59 libbz2-1.0 is the library bzip2 uses Jun 03 17:01:49 apt-get install bzip2 just works here Jun 03 17:02:44 someone wanted something from me? scrollback ran out Jun 03 17:02:46 Stskeeps, ? Jun 03 17:03:19 3h22 ago, x-fade Jun 03 17:04:05 -.- Jun 03 17:04:10 maybe it's extras-devel Jun 03 17:04:13 didn't add this one Jun 03 17:04:48 loufoque: maybe, though SSU is supposed the "very safe" updates... Jun 03 17:04:57 loufoque: but it doesn't hurt to try :) Jun 03 17:05:57 I can't install foreca either Jun 03 17:06:06 I suppose that was in the non-1.2 ovi repo Jun 03 17:13:06 TomaszD: ? Jun 03 17:13:23 confusing series of hilights ;D Jun 03 17:13:45 TomaszD: no, not me - guy you pinged in the morning maybe? Jun 03 17:13:56 still no bzip2 :( Jun 03 17:14:21 well I regularly ping zaheerm since he tends to disappear on me mid sentence Jun 03 17:18:58 TomaszD, yah sorry bout that work has been very hectic and i often can't have my irc client active Jun 03 17:19:59 Stskeeps, you're at home already? Jun 03 17:23:12 is it safe to use apt-get instead of the graphical application manager? Jun 03 17:24:44 it's safe, but not recommended, as supposedly appman does some additional magic Jun 03 17:25:05 do most things from apt-get get optified? Jun 03 17:39:55 looking for suggestion of a way to get popup notifications on my n810 sourced preferrably from a polled email account Jun 03 17:40:12 ... Jun 03 17:40:20 polling = lame Jun 03 17:40:35 hrm Jun 03 17:40:40 portrait picture viewer almost works Jun 03 17:40:56 except for the fact that the standalone image toolbar is fixed positioned instead of centered :( Jun 03 17:42:59 i'd like to get backup failure and other system notices. email is the easiest source, but i could pobably massage that to something else. the primary part of the question is how to notify me on my nit Jun 03 17:47:27 is there a way to download map from ubuntu? Jun 03 17:47:31 wine? Jun 03 17:48:16 not sure what you're trying to do? Jun 03 17:48:56 download map but it needs nokia pc suite Jun 03 17:49:05 oh Jun 03 17:50:49 this is cool http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/nokias-15-bike-charger-will-abide/ Jun 03 17:52:31 hey, does irssi have tab completion? Jun 03 17:52:45 irssi on n900, not just irssi in general Jun 03 17:53:18 can't see reason why not Jun 03 17:53:23 me neither Jun 03 17:53:32 i dont see why not either Jun 03 17:53:38 hence the asking Jun 03 17:54:17 when porting something, it doesn't really make sense removing such functionality.. Jun 03 17:54:26 but, you never know :) Jun 03 17:54:38 on xchat it uses shift-space something right? Jun 03 17:55:08 yeah Jun 03 17:55:33 my friend tried it in irssi, and it didnt work Jun 03 17:57:33 mc_teo``: you should have the onscreen "tab" though and that works... Jun 03 17:58:10 wall[e]: depends on your key bindings in xchat settings Jun 03 17:58:25 DocScrutinizer, aha, thanks. Jun 03 17:59:18 I'm having the bug with the music applet again, can't play anything from the desktop Jun 03 17:59:46 it had been fixed when I used PR1.2 the first time Jun 03 18:00:50 any german know how to pronounce zwei? Jun 03 18:01:12 ok. Jun 03 18:01:27 my new game will be called Her Dog Smiles Jun 03 18:01:53 will use farm theme, but the game is like Herzog Zwei Jun 03 18:02:25 wall[e]: wut? Jun 03 18:02:47 DocScrutinizer, working on 3d engine and will build a game over it. Jun 03 18:03:09 er Jun 03 18:03:14 wut == what? :) Jun 03 18:03:19 lardman: I'm having some trouble with autoconf for my camera app. It seems it won't find gst-camerabin Jun 03 18:03:20 yep :-) Jun 03 18:03:27 hehe ok Jun 03 18:03:48 will be something like, big bird carrying animals around Jun 03 18:04:01 throwing stones against the other side. Jun 03 18:04:20 wall[e]: t's-why Jun 03 18:04:35 zwei ? Jun 03 18:04:38 yep Jun 03 18:04:44 ok, thanks. Jun 03 18:05:20 ok, get back on the engine. Jun 03 18:06:15 http://pastebin.org/303919 Jun 03 18:07:18 it's funny, yesterday i code 1k line of code with hwkb Jun 03 18:07:31 a quadtree Jun 03 18:08:08 that's more than my average. Jun 03 18:10:05 i'm trying to find the vmware images to develop for fremantle on os x but failing. http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_fremantle_and_diablo_sdk_virtual_image_final_version_released/ the link referenced here does not contain any images Jun 03 18:10:10 only flasher binaries Jun 03 18:12:54 so there's no good way to get quickly notified of new mail? Jun 03 18:13:01 nocturnal: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vmware+scratchbox+maemo Jun 03 18:13:12 Tobarja_n810: jabber Jun 03 18:14:00 jacekowski: yeah i've found some for diablo Jun 03 18:14:10 with similar queries Jun 03 18:14:13 but not fremantle Jun 03 18:14:23 oh wait sorry Jun 03 18:14:25 diablo/fremantle Jun 03 18:14:29 nocturnal: that's freemantle and diablo in same image Jun 03 18:14:36 yeah i saw that now Jun 03 18:14:50 but the link still goes to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jun 03 18:14:54 and i can't see any images there Jun 03 18:14:58 just dmg files for flasher Jun 03 18:15:13 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ Jun 03 18:15:18 oh it's under old downloads Jun 03 18:15:22 that's 1st link on my google Jun 03 18:15:34 jacekowski: yes i know but that Download link goes to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jun 03 18:15:38 which has no images Jun 03 18:15:41 but they're under OLD downloads Jun 03 18:15:48 saw that now Jun 03 18:16:13 * vldcnst slaps SpeedEvil around a bit with a large trout Jun 03 18:16:17 pesimistic! Jun 03 18:17:56 ? Jun 03 18:19:42 jacekowski: that looks like a suitable method. thanks Jun 03 18:27:10 Some guy posted a link for Ovi Suite 2.2 on my forum it links to somewhere called narod.ru . I wonder if it's legally ok to share that link or not. If it's not, I'll remove that post :) Jun 03 18:29:05 losing mem Jun 03 18:31:15 Aranel, well, dunno about jurisdictional legalities Jun 03 18:31:45 Aranel, but it's almost certainly against the agreement of the person who originally received it. Jun 03 18:32:28 Aranel, it's probably NOT legal in the US fwiw. Jun 03 18:33:03 GAN900: assuming it's not modified and he's not doing it for money, it's legal. Jun 03 18:33:07 Aranel: what's ovi suite? Jun 03 18:33:19 well, and it's free that is. Jun 03 18:34:35 loufoque_: it's a PC application for your Nokia, you can upgrade fw, write/read sms etc. Jun 03 18:36:57 ok then, I'm gonna remove that post. Checked Maemo Talk and they're doing the same thing. Jun 03 18:41:12 why search tab does not exist in app manager on PR 1.2? Jun 03 18:41:27 Zahra: because its find as you type now Jun 03 18:41:57 ow ok! good!:D Jun 03 18:42:03 it's nice :) Jun 03 18:42:23 but virtual keyboard become ugly! Jun 03 18:42:51 GAN900: what legality? Jun 03 18:43:04 (translation: context?) Jun 03 18:43:38 oh sorry, I have the context Jun 03 18:44:16 Aranel: in doubt, you should remove it. Why is he providing a link to a russian website? Why not get it from Nokia directly? Jun 03 18:46:31 crashanddie: thought so and removed it already :) Jun 03 18:49:32 * SpeedEvil awaits someone to get lipreading working on the front camera. Jun 03 18:57:24 SpeedEvil: in what language? Jun 03 18:57:29 quick repository/package question: how do i add a nifty icon that will show up on a page like http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/ ? have i overlooked some part of the project page? Jun 03 18:58:48 crashanddie: All of them! Autodetected, of course. Jun 03 18:58:53 right Jun 03 18:59:25 crashanddie: It's a pity the webcam isn't really good enough for gaze tracking Jun 03 19:02:20 Greetings Jun 03 19:02:47 Can anyone tell me if Kismet will work successfully on a N900 Jun 03 19:05:01 yes Jun 03 19:05:40 pupnik, you can tell him or it does work? ;) Jun 03 19:06:04 Thank you Jun 03 19:06:26 Hi Jun 03 19:06:57 is it possible to check the temperature of the N900 ? Jun 03 19:07:19 Sortof. Jun 03 19:07:33 There is a battery meter chip which has a temperature device in it. Jun 03 19:07:35 Why? Jun 03 19:08:10 titan's power kernel has a driver - modprobe bq27x00 - and look around /sys/class/battery/ or something for a temperature (in kelvin) Jun 03 19:08:36 speedevil, in Kelvin? thats novel. Jun 03 19:09:03 * SpeedEvil lives some 25 miles from where Lord Kelvin discovered solitons. Jun 03 19:09:08 joorin: i thought of it literally firvst too Jun 03 19:09:31 Err Jun 03 19:10:26 Wikipedia claims it was John Russel. Jun 03 19:10:57 * Arkenoi wrote bq27x00_battery into /etc/modules Jun 03 19:11:43 arkenoi, did you get 300K when you did a reading? Jun 03 19:11:56 or, 330K perhaps. Jun 03 19:12:21 * joorin has no idea about idle heat. Jun 03 19:13:11 i get quite realistic values Jun 03 19:13:12 This is _not_ the temperature of the CPU Jun 03 19:14:03 speedevil, battery temperature, i got that, but since at least my device gets hot as a bat out of hellas when i use WiFi heavily, i thought it might be a good approximation. Jun 03 19:14:12 but those are in celsius, not kelvin Jun 03 19:14:39 ~ $ cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp Jun 03 19:14:39 29 Jun 03 19:14:50 the chip outputs kelvin Jun 03 19:14:58 It must be converted in that driver Jun 03 19:15:07 My hottest is 331k Jun 03 19:15:09 speedevil, i do wonder how they calibrated it... ;) Jun 03 19:15:42 It's specified accuracy by TI Jun 03 19:15:45 not calibrated Jun 03 19:15:53 SpeedEvil, that's much. mine does not go higher than 45C Jun 03 19:16:25 speedevil, do they offer some lower limit of what it can measure? Jun 03 19:16:44 yes Jun 03 19:16:51 speedevil, my joe being that at 0k, measuring becomes a tad academical. Jun 03 19:16:57 "my joke" Jun 03 19:18:47 -20 to 70C Jun 03 19:19:22 speedevil, ok. im guessing thats mid range for a chip based sensor. Jun 03 19:20:49 Arkenoi: I think that was hen sitting int he sun while listening to internet radio Jun 03 19:24:10 X-Fade, ? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gst-plugins-bad0.10-musepack_0.10.19-maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Jun 03 19:25:07 so, noone know how to add an icon to the package view page? ;( Jun 03 19:25:47 RST38h: how would I possibly 'install the python module' for xchat? Jun 03 19:31:46 LP5523 also has a temp sensor Jun 03 19:33:22 alledegly BSI is depending on temp of cell, but I doubt that's true Jun 03 19:33:52 I guess twl5030 also has a temp sensor Jun 03 19:37:45 the SoC reportedly has one too - but it's not recommended for use, so may not work. Jun 03 19:38:29 gah - i hate xchat sometimes :P Jun 03 19:39:01 i got tcc (Tiny C Compiler) working on the N900 :) Jun 03 19:40:19 tested a simple hello.c program and it seems to work well :) Jun 03 19:40:30 b-man, any obvious advantage over gcc apart from size? Jun 03 19:40:39 SpeedEvil: can you install ioquake3 or do you get missing packages errors? Jun 03 19:40:47 it's 9 times faster Jun 03 19:40:58 SpeedEvil: on maemo.org it talks about installing maemo-pan , but i dont see it in the repos Jun 03 19:41:10 for getting bluetooth-pan working Jun 03 19:41:35 and it's ISOC99 compliant Jun 03 19:41:44 damn you guys saw the n900 scrath test ? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tgNdRm-iJs , the screen is more vulnerable to scratch as compared to the n97 and iPhone Jun 03 19:41:56 b-man, nice! Jun 03 19:43:05 xDaReaperx: i cant see the scratches on my screen over the fingerprints xD Jun 03 19:43:14 joorin: apparently it's even possible to compile an entire kernel with it using a wrapper (although it hasn't been tested) Jun 03 19:43:28 is there a screen protector for the n900 ? Jun 03 19:43:37 xDaReaperx: yes Jun 03 19:43:43 xDaReaperx: but i dont use one Jun 03 19:43:53 oh , i want one Jun 03 19:43:54 b-man, thats impressive knowing how much special care the kernel needs. Jun 03 19:44:06 indeed Jun 03 19:46:28 I, erm, can't believe I didn't notice that Forum Nokia Maemo comp Jun 03 19:46:33 Anyone here got any submissions? Jun 03 19:46:44 I have 10 days to hack together an idea I've got :(S Jun 03 19:46:58 And by 10, I mean 6 ^.^ Jun 03 19:51:41 maemo comp? Jun 03 19:51:49 alterego, 6 days is ok depending on scope. weekend soon. Jun 03 19:56:23 joorin: not too bad, I'm unemployed at the moment. Jun 03 19:56:32 DocScrutinizer51: http://flors.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/50-000-for-the-best-maemo-qt-nokia-n900-apps-and-more/ Jun 03 19:58:13 alterego, ah, "self employment" at its finest. ;) Jun 03 19:58:38 but, Qt, no, not for me. Jun 03 19:58:38 joorin: got made redundant a couple of weeks ago, so I'm just taking it easy, hacking some maemo apps Jun 03 19:59:06 alterego, always important to keep the skills alive while not selling ones body to an employer. Jun 03 19:59:30 Indeed, Jun 03 19:59:41 alterego: darn, the original site didn't even mention maemo - at least I haven't seen it http://www.callingallinnovators.com/about_the_contest.aspx Jun 03 20:00:18 hi... I have an N900 with a 16GB removable SD-card - how can i format that card with the N900? It seems to be corrupt Jun 03 20:00:46 hume: how much of a linux clue to you have. Jun 03 20:00:56 SpeedEvil, much Jun 03 20:00:59 Also - why not just pull it, and format it externally Jun 03 20:01:05 ok - sfdisk is on there Jun 03 20:01:09 and mkfs.vfat Jun 03 20:01:10 ok Jun 03 20:01:14 or is it mkdosfs Jun 03 20:01:22 no nice gui for the lazy? Jun 03 20:01:28 don't think so Jun 03 20:01:30 may be wrong Jun 03 20:01:45 could be the reason for me not finding any....:) Jun 03 20:02:26 would it be stuipd to format it while USB-connected? use a linux computer Jun 03 20:02:27 file manager, long tap on memory card, format Jun 03 20:02:38 if memory card at all appears there.. Jun 03 20:02:42 MUHAHA - ""The top 25 submissions... will need to ensure that their applications have been thoroughly tested using one of two remote device access services, – either Remote Device Access from Forum Nokia, or Forum Nokia Virtual Developer Lab Jun 03 20:02:45 "" Jun 03 20:03:22 now, I guess that's rather prohibitive for maemo apps to apply XP Jun 03 20:03:37 SpeedEvil, Jun 03 20:03:44 ShadowJK, thx Jun 03 20:04:50 DocScrutinizer: I don't understand what that means? Jun 03 20:05:05 Does that mean it's not worth me "submitting" my app/s? Jun 03 20:05:11 ~sdk Jun 03 20:05:12 The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com Jun 03 20:05:21 err.. Jun 03 20:05:22 o.O Jun 03 20:05:25 ~maemosdk Jun 03 20:05:26 maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Jun 03 20:05:34 thanks infobot Jun 03 20:06:01 mece, you know how to speak to robots. strong! ;) Jun 03 20:06:32 you make sun go away. you powahful Jun 03 20:06:54 alterego: I just don't see how to test a maemo app on a remote virtual device testing facility that doesn't support maemo/N900 Jun 03 20:07:30 do I need to reinstall sdk to get the pr1.2 crap, or can one do some kind of dist upgrade on that frakker? Jun 03 20:07:31 or, wait, does that mean they REALLY made n900 work in their robot racks? Jun 03 20:07:35 Hey DocScrutinizer are you familiar with bluetooth PAN on the n900? Jun 03 20:07:48 sorry, not really Jun 03 20:07:54 boo, no one is :/ Jun 03 20:08:05 dont you guys wanna tether your phone :P Jun 03 20:08:12 anyone of you here know if there has turned up a way to use BT keyboards as there was with the N800? I can link my Nokia BT keyboard, but only use some of the keys Jun 03 20:08:29 nah, got all I need *inside* of the device :-D Jun 03 20:08:57 DocScrutinizer: heh, curse you! :P Jun 03 20:09:13 can anyone help https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gst-plugins-bad0.10-musepack_0.10.19-maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Jun 03 20:09:31 hume: I heard it works with pretty much all BT kbds *except* original Nokia ones Jun 03 20:10:22 DocScrutinizer, ok...that was new to me.... when I bought it there was something with lack of support for full keyboards, hence problems with control keys and for me, swedish characters Jun 03 20:10:29 Xisdibik: I had PAN working on N810, guess that won't help you out Jun 03 20:10:35 DocScrutinizer, got any idea of where you saw that? Jun 03 20:10:47 hume: here in this chan Jun 03 20:10:54 some days ago Jun 03 20:10:57 Do-m-pie, ok Jun 03 20:11:01 DocScrutinizer, ok Jun 03 20:11:29 DocScrutinizer: on the maemo.org site it talked about getting maemo-pan package, but I dont see it in the repos anywhere Jun 03 20:11:42 I vaguely remember bt keyboard threads on talk too Jun 03 20:11:42 DocScrutinizer, got any idea on why? if some BT keyboards, so why not all? Jun 03 20:12:13 ShadowJK, you mean in the web forum? Jun 03 20:12:19 hume: sorry, no. probably Nokia BT kbd stack is borked Jun 03 20:13:09 anyone knows what's the difference between the UK firmware and the vanilla one? Jun 03 20:13:32 hume: talk.maemo.org Jun 03 20:13:39 aaw feck. Jun 03 20:13:40 hume: so yes Jun 03 20:13:52 Well, that was damn annoying. Jun 03 20:14:01 thx Jun 03 20:14:02 Did I miss anything? After what you said about remote testing DocScrutinizer ? Jun 03 20:14:34 Hi Jun 03 20:14:40 alterego: not teally, except me wondering if they might have managed to get N900 into their device zoo Jun 03 20:14:47 Heh Jun 03 20:14:49 s/tea/rea/ Jun 03 20:14:49 DocScrutinizer meant: alterego: not really, except me wondering if they might have managed to get N900 into their device zoo Jun 03 20:14:59 I don't think you need to, I think you can just upload it .. Jun 03 20:15:21 hume: yeah Jun 03 20:15:30 I'm going to enter anyway :) Jun 03 20:15:41 I've got nothing to lose ;) Jun 03 20:16:46 jo Jun 03 20:16:49 re Jun 03 20:17:01 lol 3 diffrent gma500 drivers now from intel Jun 03 20:17:02 alterego: as everybody was so encourraging, I actually pondered to apply with hostmode/h-e-n, but that's really somewhat OT and not exactly "usefull and tested" yet :-P Jun 03 20:17:05 this so stupid Jun 03 20:17:35 DocScrutinizer: ooo, yeah, I'm sure that'd win something. Maybe Productivity? Jun 03 20:17:42 I'm going for the Multimedia category. Jun 03 20:17:52 sure, productivity if anything Jun 03 20:18:01 but it's pre-beta Jun 03 20:18:10 and not exactly an app Jun 03 20:18:18 hi all ^^ Jun 03 20:18:24 Yeah, well, you get judged on the version you upload, so you've got 6 days to sort it out! :P Jun 03 20:18:49 it's so meta it probably will earn a special price on its own category Jun 03 20:18:59 :D Jun 03 20:19:04 $7.99 Jun 03 20:19:10 Hahah Jun 03 20:19:16 Are you still contemplating entering it then? Jun 03 20:19:54 not really, though the many zeros before the . are quite tempting XP Jun 03 20:20:20 Hah Jun 03 20:20:35 ShadowJK, thanks, looks promising, although some work is needed Jun 03 20:20:41 I think, if I get the idea I'm working on done, I might be in with a good chance. Jun 03 20:20:49 I think it's a cool app that a lot of people will enjoy. Jun 03 20:21:12 anyone have any experience making a listview in python for n900? Jun 03 20:21:17 Not going to charge for it though :) Jun 03 20:22:08 guys i need a little help installing apps... it app manager says: "Aplication packages missing: python2.5-minimal(=2.5.4-1maemo6)" any clues on how to get that package? Jun 03 20:22:33 ok what about attaching a custom widget in to a qlistwidgetitem ? Jun 03 20:22:57 # Jun 03 20:23:08 ZeNz0r what package is this and where did you got it? Jun 03 20:23:47 im trying to install apps after i flashed pr1.2... im getting this error on hermes, seriesfinale, battery-eye and more Jun 03 20:23:59 im guessig its a base library Jun 03 20:24:14 it says the package is missing Jun 03 20:24:34 hm the apps are from extra or extra-testing? Jun 03 20:24:40 extras Jun 03 20:24:45 open a console Jun 03 20:24:58 and type apt-cache show python2.5-minimal Jun 03 20:25:07 pastebin the output Jun 03 20:25:11 ~pastebin Jun 03 20:25:12 DocScrutinizer: Either way, I'm not going to start it until I've completed my current project: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/ Jun 03 20:25:12 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Jun 03 20:26:31 DocScrutinizer: I've got it running on my N900, it's been working really well over today. Just doing some tidying now, then I'm going to debianize and upload :) Jun 03 20:26:35 (to extras) Jun 03 20:28:25 ZeNz0r hm latest offical python-minimal is python-minimal 2.5.2-3maemo Jun 03 20:28:35 http://pastebin.com/tmZGWp1M Jun 03 20:28:41 so seems this apps where build against something diffrent Jun 03 20:28:59 http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-minimal/ Jun 03 20:29:16 hm intressting Jun 03 20:29:47 okay Jun 03 20:29:57 ~lart stupid webfrontend Jun 03 20:29:57 * infobot moos at stupid webfrontend Jun 03 20:30:58 should i install the latest package? Jun 03 20:31:13 and do i get it from the link u just sent me? Jun 03 20:31:35 no Jun 03 20:31:42 the link shows only the 1.1 stuff Jun 03 20:32:10 i flashed to 1.2 Jun 03 20:32:17 yes Jun 03 20:32:26 I already saw it Jun 03 20:33:03 am I the only one that cannot install package bzip2? Jun 03 20:33:09 cool... that means i did it right xD Jun 03 20:33:25 it's supposed to be in "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)" Jun 03 20:33:30 zenzor ah Jun 03 20:33:32 whatever that repository is Jun 03 20:33:50 zenzor update python2.5-maemo Jun 03 20:34:08 python2.5_2.5.4-1maemo6_armel.deb Jun 03 20:34:12 from today Jun 03 20:34:20 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/p/python2.5/ Jun 03 20:34:46 ~lart stupid webfrontend again Jun 03 20:34:46 * infobot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to stupid webfrontend again, and goes postal Jun 03 20:37:02 woglinde: unable to install 'python2.5' Incompatible application package Jun 03 20:37:13 shouldn't i have said to open with app manager? Jun 03 20:39:00 hmmm, cool. On x86 linux /usr/bin/hp-systray has created a python zombie. Hi zombie, looong time no see XP Jun 03 20:42:05 zenzor can you do it via terminal? Jun 03 20:42:09 What's the easiest way to package a python app? Jun 03 20:42:10 apt-get update Jun 03 20:42:14 apt-get upgrade Jun 03 20:42:52 woglinde sure, shuold i type upgrade or update or even both? Jun 03 20:43:47 who's garage tech-admin? Jun 03 20:44:31 first update Jun 03 20:44:40 which updates the package-index Jun 03 20:44:45 upgrade updates the packages Jun 03 20:45:10 should i gain root?... it says permission denied Jun 03 20:45:27 root is a shorter comand ;-D Jun 03 20:45:34 ^^ Jun 03 20:45:52 zenzor sudo gainroot Jun 03 20:45:54 sudo gainroot == root Jun 03 20:46:01 if you have the package installed Jun 03 20:46:07 rootshell? Jun 03 20:46:11 or what was it called Jun 03 20:46:15 rot Jun 03 20:46:18 root Jun 03 20:46:38 do u want me to pastebin it? Jun 03 20:46:38 aah tha package is rootsh Jun 03 20:46:46 apt-get install rootsh Jun 03 20:46:51 hm Jun 03 20:46:52 args Jun 03 20:46:53 lol Jun 03 20:46:56 lol Jun 03 20:46:57 LOL Jun 03 20:46:57 omg abill_uk, LOOOOL Jun 03 20:47:02 okay install rootsh via app-manager Jun 03 20:47:03 i was looking at the phone xD Jun 03 20:47:09 sorry Jun 03 20:47:16 i already have it and got root and did the update Jun 03 20:47:22 lol Jun 03 20:47:23 okay Jun 03 20:47:37 dont forget to use apt-get clean Jun 03 20:47:38 hmm Jun 03 20:47:40 should i go for upgrade or do u want me to pastebin the update results Jun 03 20:47:40 afterwards Jun 03 20:47:50 no try upgrade Jun 03 20:47:56 you could use -u Jun 03 20:48:03 to see which one will be updated Jun 03 20:48:18 so i'll type apt-get upgrade -u? Jun 03 20:48:43 no Jun 03 20:48:54 type "jump out the window" Jun 03 20:48:55 why didn't nokia make other colors for the N900 Jun 03 20:49:03 like silver Jun 03 20:49:06 lol Jun 03 20:49:27 i make these questions cause today was my first time typing in xterminal xD Jun 03 20:49:29 use a varnish marker ;-P Jun 03 20:49:41 xDaReaperx, because it's black. Jun 03 20:49:47 i hate black Jun 03 20:49:49 i'm a racist Jun 03 20:49:56 oh wait... Jun 03 20:50:13 xDaReaperx, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. Jun 03 20:50:24 xD Jun 03 20:50:33 noobmonk3y_, err Jun 03 20:50:40 really, all he wants is a big fat hug from frals... nothing more, nothing less...... <-- wtf lol Jun 03 20:50:42 0 upgraded Jun 03 20:50:51 * noobmonk3y_ farts Jun 03 20:51:03 * noobmonk3y_ throws frals @ MohammadAG Jun 03 20:51:09 frals - MohammadAG wants a hug Jun 03 20:51:17 lol Jun 03 20:51:23 did any of you overclock the N900 ? Jun 03 20:51:29 * noobmonk3y_ overclocked a trout once Jun 03 20:51:32 what were the results if so Jun 03 20:51:32 poor bugger Jun 03 20:51:33 wat Jun 03 20:51:39 OC is a noTopic here XD Jun 03 20:51:48 DocScrutinizer, really....... Jun 03 20:51:55 * MohammadAG comments out DocScrutinizer Jun 03 20:52:04 i still wonder about the bug i had yesterday Jun 03 20:52:11 kinda random...... its like going into pc world and them tellin gyou that you cant buy a heatsink Jun 03 20:52:12 ~gentoo MohammadAG Jun 03 20:52:13 * infobot recompiles MohammadAG again Jun 03 20:52:14 * MohammadAG compiles #maemo Jun 03 20:52:18 lol Jun 03 20:52:20 ffs geekisms Jun 03 20:52:22 my Nokia Cable was connected to the phone , i rebooted and the screen was all weird Jun 03 20:52:33 did it poke you? Jun 03 20:52:35 everything messy , lots of green codes and stuff Jun 03 20:52:49 * noobmonk3y_ recommends throwing out the window and getting a Trout 4g Jun 03 20:53:12 =/ Jun 03 20:53:58 woglinde 0 got upgraded... i tested installing one of the apps and its still not working, how do i install the python2.5.......deb through xterm? Jun 03 20:54:14 xDaReaperx: OC :-P Jun 03 20:54:28 whats OC ? Jun 03 20:54:43 ~oc Jun 03 20:54:44 hmm... oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s Jun 03 20:54:49 hmm Jun 03 20:54:51 lol Jun 03 20:54:53 frals, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=697799&postcount=77 Jun 03 20:54:55 ~overclocking Jun 03 20:54:56 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Jun 03 20:54:58 zenzor download the deb from my link Jun 03 20:55:00 oh Jun 03 20:55:02 lol Jun 03 20:55:13 and type dpkg -i python-minimal...deb Jun 03 20:55:24 done Jun 03 20:55:26 infobot, does it get crispy? Jun 03 20:55:51 my N900 has been running continuously for 3 days now Jun 03 20:55:59 still battery is not down Jun 03 20:56:11 a bit is left , 10 % Jun 03 20:56:25 is that a problem ? Jun 03 20:56:39 It should go for at least 4 Jun 03 20:56:51 I had closer to 5 in a test Jun 03 20:56:59 hmmm , i gotta try that Jun 03 20:57:01 (connected to wifi, GSM active) Jun 03 20:57:10 yeah mine was connected to WiFi and stuff Jun 03 20:57:12 xDaReaperx: I ran for over a week before I gave up and had to use the phone, it had no sim though Jun 03 20:57:22 oh Jun 03 20:57:48 but for some ppl , the battery drains within 7-8 hrs Jun 03 20:57:51 its weird Jun 03 20:58:00 It's all up to apps - generally. Jun 03 20:58:16 xDaReaperx: im over 3g is evil and does that easily Jun 03 20:58:31 xDaReaperx: startup skype, a few more IMs, and twitter widgets and...voila Jun 03 20:58:40 with edonkey it'll go down in 90 minutes Jun 03 20:58:43 well i dont run a lot of apps Jun 03 20:58:52 lol edonkey ? what apps is that Jun 03 20:59:15 It is an app for downloading legitimate linux distribution DVDs. Jun 03 20:59:35 hmmm okay Jun 03 21:00:15 youtube also nice ;-P Jun 03 21:00:37 you won't watch Ben Hur Jun 03 21:00:45 skype needs push ( but I somehow doubt carriers would cooperate there ;) ) Jun 03 21:00:48 without recharging Jun 03 21:01:06 woglinde: it didnt work, it found errors (dependency problems) Jun 03 21:01:37 valdyn: skype is a braindamaged peer2peer concept Jun 03 21:01:43 valdyn: no room for push Jun 03 21:02:00 zenzot pastebin? Jun 03 21:02:07 sure Jun 03 21:02:21 is there actually a liquid under the N900's screen ? Jun 03 21:02:30 yes Jun 03 21:02:34 LCD Jun 03 21:02:39 even 2 Jun 03 21:02:55 think of the first word in the acronym Jun 03 21:03:03 the liquid crystal, and above the touchscreen separator oil Jun 03 21:03:14 Hmm so thats 2 Jun 03 21:03:41 anyone know what "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)" is? Jun 03 21:03:54 does the liquid , relate to the problems of the white spots on your screen ? Jun 03 21:03:58 woglinde: http://pastebin.com/QVvm5wbD Jun 03 21:04:23 i meant dead pixles Jun 03 21:04:25 white spots? eew Jun 03 21:04:31 ooh Jun 03 21:04:40 shouldn't have dead pixels Jun 03 21:04:56 my friend has bought his N900 Jun 03 21:04:59 it has few bright spots Jun 03 21:05:02 he replaced it Jun 03 21:05:04 ZeNz0r you only downloaded python2.5 you need python2.5-minimal Jun 03 21:05:04 QA says: zero defect pixels Jun 03 21:05:23 oh ok... sry... give me a sec Jun 03 21:06:05 loufoque_: you mean http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php , maybe Jun 03 21:06:19 xDaReaperx: anyway dead pixels are caused by matrix defects, not by the LC Jun 03 21:06:34 hmmm , there's no fix for that ? Jun 03 21:06:36 zenzor I meant install both deb Jun 03 21:06:41 xDaReaperx: nope Jun 03 21:06:46 python2.5 and python2.5-minial Jun 03 21:06:51 yeah good thing he replaced it Jun 03 21:07:20 woglinde: oh i c, sry Jun 03 21:07:23 valdyn: no, I mean a package repository, referenced at http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/ Jun 03 21:10:41 woglinde: http://pastebin.com/BtXaXJRL im guessing i have to install pymaemo-optify Jun 03 21:11:23 * noobmonk3y_ is tired of babysitting tmo... sleep i think Jun 03 21:11:27 zenzor you didnt do it already? Jun 03 21:11:27 loufoque_: you have no n900? Jun 03 21:11:38 loufoque_: the urls are in the package manager "Catalogues" Jun 03 21:11:44 valdyn: I know. Jun 03 21:11:58 valdyn: please try to answer my question now. Jun 03 21:11:58 http://bellard.org/otcc/otccelfn.c < the tiniest c compiler that can produce dynamically linked ELF binaries in the world Jun 03 21:12:12 woglinde: pymaemo-optify no i didnt... didnt even know of such a thing xD Jun 03 21:12:15 valdyn: what is the address of that repository Jun 03 21:12:37 it's not https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ./ Jun 03 21:12:44 b-man hehe bellard again Jun 03 21:12:48 which repository is that Jun 03 21:12:53 dont know what we will invent Jun 03 21:12:57 in the future Jun 03 21:13:03 he started so many cool stuff Jun 03 21:13:10 woglinde: yeah :) Jun 03 21:13:23 loufoque_: it is Jun 03 21:13:34 what is what Jun 03 21:13:50 loufoque_: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 for me Jun 03 21:14:06 loufoque_: maybe you are trying to download a package directly? Jun 03 21:14:30 I have missing dependencies, and the package needed are in that repository Jun 03 21:14:36 X-Fade: damn you're fast today :-D Jun 03 21:14:58 loufoque_: while apt-get cant install it? Jun 03 21:15:10 the packages are *missing* Jun 03 21:15:17 they're not found in any repository I have configured Jun 03 21:15:20 an example is bzip Jun 03 21:15:26 bzip2 sorry Jun 03 21:16:14 loufoque_: its there, probably extras-devel or -testing Jun 03 21:16:47 loufoque_: actually probably both as I'm having 2 sources Jun 03 21:17:32 bzip2 is in Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2), Fremantle SDK free armel and Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel Jun 03 21:18:21 woglinde: i typed apt-get install pymaemo-optify and it says it needs python2.5 that depends on minimal, but the 2.5.4-1maemo5 is to be installed.... so it seems i need to get an older version first.... does this make sense? Jun 03 21:20:19 ZeNz0r download python-optify deb Jun 03 21:20:26 and install all 3 together with dpkg Jun 03 21:20:28 valdyn: let me give you another one for example. libgles1-sgx-img. This is required for ioquake3 for example. It is only available in "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)" Jun 03 21:20:51 u mean 1line of text to install the 3 .deb? Jun 03 21:20:57 hmm no my bad this one is in others as well Jun 03 21:21:00 regardless I don't have it either Jun 03 21:21:10 even though I've got all repositories one can find on the internet enabled Jun 03 21:21:13 zenzor by the way the python-optify.deb should be already in /var/cache/apt/archives/ bye noiw Jun 03 21:21:26 loufoque_: i can install it Jun 03 21:21:32 zenzor dpkg -i 1.deb 2.deb 3.deb Jun 03 21:21:40 loufoque_: what does "apt-cache policy bzip2" give ? Jun 03 21:21:44 thks Jun 03 21:21:54 valdyn: could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list ? Jun 03 21:24:39 loufoque_: hold.. Jun 03 21:25:23 loufoque_: http://pastebin.com/s0LS800z Jun 03 21:25:46 thats not the hole list, but apt-cache policy its one of those 3 Jun 03 21:25:55 thats not the hole list, but according to apt-cache policy its one of those 3 Jun 03 21:26:06 if I add https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 it works Jun 03 21:26:10 where did you get that one from? Jun 03 21:26:17 loufoque_: no idea Jun 03 21:26:32 how did you install PR1.2? Jun 03 21:26:40 loufoque_: I never added it manually, I flashed pr1.2 Jun 03 21:26:50 global firmware or different one? Jun 03 21:26:54 global Jun 03 21:27:11 but this could just aswell be the result of restoring the backup I guess Jun 03 21:27:27 i flashed uk firmware, maybe that's the reason why I have https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ? Jun 03 21:27:48 hi, i cant find midnight commander in extras repository. Where i must search for it ? Jun 03 21:28:05 on top of that I had pr1.2 pre which could have put that repository there.. Jun 03 21:29:07 all my own repositories are there too, so the backup / restore must have taken care of that Jun 03 21:30:06 woglinde: http://pastebin.com/Hz5CuC20 Jun 03 21:30:44 ZeNz0r look at it again Jun 03 21:30:47 5 vs 6 Jun 03 21:30:58 download latest python-minimal Jun 03 21:31:07 the minimal doesnt have a 6 Jun 03 21:31:12 i thought it was ok Jun 03 21:31:14 hm uh Jun 03 21:31:20 its an annoyance that the nokia repositories are layed out in a way that makes apt-cache policy not show the actual source Jun 03 21:31:32 then download the version 5 of python2.5 Jun 03 21:31:40 k Jun 03 21:32:06 im getting dizzy... xD Jun 03 21:32:27 it should be "https://foo.bar/ssu apps" Jun 03 21:32:28 sorry Jun 03 21:32:32 np Jun 03 21:32:56 i always wanted to learn but put it back in the list... now im forced :p Jun 03 21:34:03 zenzor hihi Jun 03 21:36:53 valdyn: https://foo.bar/ssu%20apps Jun 03 21:37:02 valdyn: "space" is %20 Jun 03 21:37:32 ~nickometer ZeNz0r Jun 03 21:37:34 'ZeNz0r' is 97.280% lame, crashanddie Jun 03 21:37:40 ouch Jun 03 21:38:06 can anyone help me with mc installation ? Jun 03 21:38:26 rofl Jun 03 21:38:39 umm Jun 03 21:38:52 * Received a CTCP PING 1275550949977918 from xnt14 <-- is that an autoping feature or an autoannoy one Jun 03 21:38:55 MohammadAG: yes, that's the highest we've ever seen in this channel Jun 03 21:39:11 lol Jun 03 21:39:27 woglinde: http://pastebin.com/meP97VZv it seems it worked Jun 03 21:39:36 should i try 6 now? Jun 03 21:39:47 apart for maybe z0mB13K1lL Jun 03 21:39:53 zenzor no Jun 03 21:39:59 ~nickometer z0mB13K1lL Jun 03 21:40:00 'z0mB13K1lL' is 88.000% lame, crashanddie Jun 03 21:40:03 when there is no python2.5-minial deb Jun 03 21:40:04 not even Jun 03 21:40:05 damn Jun 03 21:40:28 oh ok Jun 03 21:40:50 gonna test installing those apps Jun 03 21:41:25 yeah Jun 03 21:41:29 w00000t... woglinde masta its installing ;DDD Jun 03 21:41:55 awesome, now i can tell it to get the rest of the apps^^ Jun 03 21:41:59 thks a lot Jun 03 21:42:16 i def couldnt have done it without u Jun 03 21:42:33 since im 97.28% lame and 100% n00b :p Jun 03 21:42:48 zenzor he you doing fine Jun 03 21:43:00 ~nickometer SpeedEvil Jun 03 21:43:01 'SpeedEvil' is 0.000% lame, speedevil1 Jun 03 21:43:15 ~nickometer n900Evil Jun 03 21:43:16 'n900Evil' is 46.000% lame, speedevil Jun 03 21:44:28 ~nickometer Mousey Jun 03 21:44:30 'Mousey' is 0.000% lame, mousey Jun 03 21:44:34 w00t!! Jun 03 21:44:52 ~nickometer satmd Jun 03 21:44:54 'satmd' is 0.000% lame, satmd Jun 03 21:44:58 good. Jun 03 21:45:07 ~nickometer w00t_ Jun 03 21:45:09 'w00t_' is 37.000% lame, w00t_ Jun 03 21:45:11 oh dear. Jun 03 21:45:13 well guys i gotta go pay some attention to my fiance or i'll get killed before the wedding Jun 03 21:45:13 lol Jun 03 21:45:19 thks a lot woglinde ;D Jun 03 21:45:22 Wave. Jun 03 21:45:26 w00t_: too much l33t and _ ;D Jun 03 21:45:49 hehe Jun 03 21:46:28 ~nickometer MohammadAG Jun 03 21:46:30 'MohammadAG' is 8.000% lame, mohammadag Jun 03 21:53:42 anyone know the flag off the top of the head when reflashing to reformat all partitions? Jun 03 21:54:01 I want it to be like factory, but pr 1.1.2 Jun 03 21:54:12 or do I have to delete the partitions manually myself before reflashing? Jun 03 21:54:25 eg rm -rf /home and rm-rf /opt Jun 03 21:55:27 flash *COMBINED* and *EMMC* Jun 03 21:56:07 preferably other way round Jun 03 21:56:33 first emmc, then combined aka rootfs Jun 03 21:57:01 don't reboot in between the two flashes Jun 03 21:57:04 just spool it with random data when updating, it's always fun Jun 03 21:57:27 off to bed it is! Jun 03 22:01:38 GeneralAntilles: just to double check, did you send out emails about n900 devices within the last 12hrs? Jun 03 22:04:46 doc Jun 03 22:04:51 what does nokia mean when they say the fiasco image Jun 03 22:05:02 is that the actual firmware image for rootfs? Jun 03 22:05:07 if you understand what I mean Jun 03 22:05:08 by that Jun 03 22:05:09 :) Jun 03 22:05:36 As I understand it, fiasco is the packer for the big images. Jun 03 22:05:46 It puts together bootloader, kernel, rootfs, ... Jun 03 22:05:53 speed, Im trying to purge my n900 completely Jun 03 22:06:02 so I downloaded pr1.2 image and the emmc Jun 03 22:06:02 For what purpose? Jun 03 22:06:30 ordered a new one, giving this one to my father Jun 03 22:07:10 anyhoo, the site says as doc said, flash the fiasco image first, then emmc image, and never reboot between Jun 03 22:07:18 yes - that should work. Jun 03 22:07:21 i just wanted to be sure that the fiasco image is the pr 1.2 firmware Jun 03 22:07:29 and not something EXTRA I also need to flash Jun 03 22:07:33 However - any really incriminating images can potentially be recovered. Jun 03 22:07:46 See the 'photorec' software in extras-devel I think Jun 03 22:07:58 its my dad, if I needed to worry, I would just zero out the partition multipass Jun 03 22:08:01 if you have any, you'll want to fill up the free space. Jun 03 22:08:47 ha ha Jun 03 22:09:00 how long would it take for that arm cpu to fill 25gigs Jun 03 22:09:21 cat /dev/random > /home/filler Jun 03 22:09:27 I would imagine it would take hours Jun 03 22:09:29 or days Jun 03 22:09:36 maybe not days Jun 03 22:09:38 :) Jun 03 22:11:37 crashanddie, 3D TVs for $2,000. WTF? Jun 03 22:11:48 can someone please direct me to documentation on how to create status bar plugin with python? Jun 03 22:11:49 :) Jun 03 22:11:56 Yes, that is right, I'm smiling :) Jun 03 22:12:16 ioan: get the repeatswitcherstatus source Jun 03 22:12:17 GAN900: so? Jun 03 22:12:27 crashanddie, makes me feel old. Jun 03 22:12:46 Also: makes me determined to get a 3D video rig set up. Jun 03 22:12:48 thp: thanks! Jun 03 22:12:52 GAN900: nha, you'll start feeling old when kids use gadgets you don't even understand Jun 03 22:13:03 * GAN900 wonders about mounting two GH1s to a steadicam. Jun 03 22:13:14 GAN900: get a 5D Jun 03 22:13:18 crashanddie, iPhones? :D Jun 03 22:13:21 well, 5DII Jun 03 22:13:23 ioan: and http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo for "generic" pymaemo docs Jun 03 22:13:30 GH1 is better for HD, I hear Jun 03 22:13:37 GAN900: fuck that Jun 03 22:13:46 Plus, we already have one Jun 03 22:13:54 I'm not actually buying one Jun 03 22:14:03 since it just pisses me off for stills. Jun 03 22:14:13 Not actually being SLR sucks. Jun 03 22:17:00 GAN900: get a merlin steadicam Jun 03 22:17:10 or a glidecam 1000 pro Jun 03 22:17:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0VS4qZDVfU Jun 03 22:20:40 thp: I got the code for Repeatswitcherstatus, but is not what I want, probably I didn't ask the right question. I want to build an app that will show a small icon next to the battery icon, for some event. For example, if ssh is running, I want to show a small icon there, when ssh doesn't run anymore, the icon dissapears Jun 03 22:23:57 load applet, simple brightness applet Jun 03 22:24:13 DocScrutinizer, thanks Jun 03 22:28:10 X-Fade, around? Jun 03 22:29:24 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 03 22:37:00 Anyone happen to know how I can get a GtkWindow from a xid? Jun 03 22:37:21 w00t_, did you announce what you were working on yesterday? Jun 03 22:38:05 MohammadAG: what in particular? (I sometimes think I do more stuff than is healthy for my mental state) Jun 03 22:38:56 ah, yes, ish Jun 03 22:39:08 on tmo? Jun 03 22:39:15 frals and I have talked about it, nothing's been posted/mailed yet though because it's simply too early Jun 03 22:39:25 I (think) we'd rather have something to show of it first Jun 03 22:40:31 w00t_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55062 thought you should say something about it, devs are starting to implement their own keyboards now Jun 03 22:41:49 they're still probably going to do that anyway, a final solution is not going to be a walk in the park I think (else someone would have done it sooner) Jun 03 22:42:03 but maybe, yeah Jun 03 22:42:32 :) Jun 03 23:01:11 any flumotion people around? Jun 03 23:07:34 would you guys consider adblock as microb speed up or slow down? Jun 03 23:11:01 dunno, at least it is annoyance-down Jun 04 00:16:30 adblock can only improve speed :P Jun 04 00:16:31 o/ lcukn900 Jun 04 00:17:58 evening moh \o Jun 04 00:18:23 so whats goin down in bacon town then Jun 04 00:18:41 it closed down cause of bankruptcy Jun 04 00:19:32 thats normal i turned into a lobster today Jun 04 00:19:52 * lcukn900 caught the sun at waterslide park Jun 04 00:20:00 is it hot? Jun 04 00:20:25 he lcuk Jun 04 00:20:31 yeah im practically glow in the dark Jun 04 00:20:37 hey woglinde Jun 04 00:20:51 * MohammadAG wonders what gee is Jun 04 00:21:03 gee-1.0, never heard of it Jun 04 00:21:40 in relation to? Jun 04 00:21:50 some app I'm compiling Jun 04 00:22:10 No package 'gee-1.0' found Jun 04 00:22:10 lol i thought you meant gravity gee's Jun 04 00:22:13 lol Jun 04 00:22:29 * MohammadAG rm -rfs the working directory Jun 04 00:22:37 guess it's targeted for Maemo 6 Jun 04 00:22:47 speaking of which i went on the steepest slide i ever went on Jun 04 00:22:58 what you building Jun 04 00:23:21 http://live.gnome.org/Rygel Jun 04 00:23:36 meh Jun 04 00:23:37 Specifically designed for GNOME (Mobile) and is therefore planned to be one of the key new features of Maemo platform in the Harmattan release. Jun 04 00:23:59 libgee is a gnome lib Jun 04 00:24:38 libgee0 - GObject based collection library Jun 04 00:24:48 ? Jun 04 00:25:02 * MohammadAG can't find that in scratchbox Jun 04 00:25:05 or in Ubuntu Jun 04 00:25:26 i only have my device and std repos Jun 04 00:25:35 * lcukn900 has nothing specia Jun 04 00:25:44 apart from sand in tracys sliders Jun 04 00:25:47 you're special :P Jun 04 00:25:53 lol Jun 04 00:25:54 Fun - 1024*768 display - http://wiki.maemo.org/Comparison_of_tablet_models Jun 04 00:26:01 Where is the edit button? :) Jun 04 00:26:32 which model has that res Jun 04 00:27:07 err - none Jun 04 00:27:12 oh - sorry - I see. Jun 04 00:27:37 I mean - with a 1024*768 screen - load that page in a browser, and try to find the edit link. Jun 04 00:27:57 Or maybe it's just FF. Jun 04 00:28:00 ahh Jun 04 00:28:08 that fails lol Jun 04 00:28:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Comparison_of_tablet_models&action=edit here you go Jun 04 00:28:36 we once tried to ensure all the layouts fitted t tablet res i think Jun 04 00:29:01 but it got hard Jun 04 00:29:04 can't find libglee0 Jun 04 00:29:09 could be in -devel Jun 04 00:29:09 MohammadAG: yeah - I found it. Jun 04 00:29:10 * MohammadAG checks Jun 04 00:29:17 * SpeedEvil ponders libglee. Jun 04 00:29:27 * SpeedEvil goes into a stirring cover of a Prince song. Jun 04 00:29:54 oh ffs tracy likes glee too Jun 04 00:29:54 * SpeedEvil wonders where to find a magazine. Jun 04 00:30:35 shes having a good time rocking to angry birds extra levels tho so keeping music semi quiet Jun 04 00:30:50 nope, not in devel grr Jun 04 00:30:59 heh Jun 04 00:31:15 build it Jun 04 00:31:24 Angry birds is awesome. :) Jun 04 00:31:36 you'd think I haven't tried that Jun 04 00:31:38 E: Unable to find a source package for ligblee0 Jun 04 00:31:40 :) Jun 04 00:31:47 off to some other devices, again Jun 04 00:31:56 i keep thinking about a snake game using accel Jun 04 00:32:25 lcukn900: There is one Jun 04 00:32:25 moh? other devices? Jun 04 00:32:35 whats its name Jun 04 00:32:42 lcukn900: Though I couldn't make sense of it Jun 04 00:32:45 hmm Jun 04 00:32:54 that may on reflection be as I was lying down. Jun 04 00:33:08 ... Jun 04 00:33:30 thats about as much fail as getting sand in your slider Jun 04 00:33:41 for context twitter.com/lcuk Jun 04 00:34:43 anyway short stay. zoo tomorrow. Jun 04 00:34:47 aha Jun 04 00:34:49 snapy Jun 04 00:35:04 \o night Jun 04 00:35:53 DocScrutinizer, haven't done it, but haven't forgotten. Jun 04 00:36:43 GAN900: np, I found your mail quite late as well Jun 04 00:37:13 DocScrutinizer, just got back from my run tonight, gonna put together the spreadsheet later tonight Jun 04 00:37:25 :) Jun 04 00:37:37 btw, SpeedEvil - I've seen you applied for a devel dev as well :-) fine! Jun 04 00:37:46 yes. Jun 04 00:37:56 I'm using it way too much as an actual device. Jun 04 00:37:59 Lot of good folks on that list Jun 04 00:38:13 Wish I had bugged qgil about this earlier. Jun 04 00:38:13 That I don't want to stop working for hours at a time. Jun 04 00:38:35 SpeedEvil: exactly Jun 04 00:39:57 and then, you quite usually want to do such tests on a "clean" system, and that's equally annoying to whipe it, do the tests, then hope you can restore the every-day state Jun 04 00:40:07 yes Jun 04 00:40:45 Last time I did that - it wanted to download 600M over my connection which was then going at 16K/s. Jun 04 00:41:00 nice :-S Jun 04 00:46:11 Aren't there imaging tools? Jun 04 00:46:19 So you can just flash the clean image. Jun 04 00:53:15 you don't want to flash the clean image though Jun 04 00:53:32 you want to unflash the unclean image to a nice safe place, flash the clean image, and then restore Jun 04 01:08:44 good morning Jun 04 01:09:12 it is too quiet, must be a holiday Jun 04 01:24:13 SpeedEvil, oops Jun 04 01:24:19 SpeedEvil, that's what I meant Jun 04 01:24:31 Image your install and flash that Jun 04 01:24:38 instead of flashing the clean image. Jun 04 01:28:32 yes - One of the tasks on my todo list is an unflasher. Jun 04 01:28:40 But there are so many tasks on it. Jun 04 01:33:37 hmm, people on talk.maemo.org are starting to pm me about Ubuntu and now Mer.. Jun 04 01:34:58 why? Jun 04 01:36:18 a member by the name of Dany-69 is trying to get Mer up and running on his N900 but isn't having any luck Jun 04 01:36:48 and people want me to port Ubuntu to the N900 really badly Jun 04 01:36:58 b-man, why? Jun 04 01:37:03 lol Jun 04 01:38:09 weirdos Jun 04 01:38:15 ah Jun 04 01:38:20 dotblank: because i ported ubuntu to the N800/N810 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25975 Jun 04 01:38:56 who are you calling a weirdo, weirdo lol Jun 04 01:39:11 Can you port it to my other device - it's clearly better suited, as it's got a full keyboard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88 Jun 04 01:39:32 ubuntu's launchpad hates me.. its given me 10 rejections :( Jun 04 01:39:36 LOL Jun 04 01:39:38 in the last 10 mins Jun 04 01:40:37 b-man: I booted that a month ago - 4 AA's - came up in 10s, worked fine. Jun 04 01:41:09 SpeedEvil: funny thing is, i've herd of a project that some guy started in the uk that's aimed at porting linux to those machines lol Jun 04 01:41:37 i can't remember the source though Jun 04 01:41:48 It's an 8 bit proc - not going to get much of the way of linux on that :) Jun 04 01:42:04 yeah, try telling him that xD Jun 04 01:46:12 b-man: especially those who are trying to install a declared dead mer to N900 and then are surprised it doesn't work like a charm Jun 04 01:47:33 anyone seen conversation inbox widget being out of sync with conversations, messages that do not go away when you delete conversation or other inconsistencies? Jun 04 01:47:57 DocScrutinizer: yeah - i hate it especially when they realize that and then start complaining aimlessly about it Jun 04 01:49:24 there are too many rant threads on tmo these days - i kinda miss the old itt days... Jun 04 02:00:20 indeed. Jun 04 02:14:30 please... I'm using debootstrap to use my own debian with easy-chroot. what arch I am supposed to use for nokia n900 - arm or armel? Jun 04 02:14:54 armel Jun 04 02:15:44 astruasdh: ^ Jun 04 02:16:41 thank you :) Jun 04 02:16:54 np ;) Jun 04 02:17:54 I will repatition my n900. that 27 Gb vfat partition is weird. Is there some problem in remove such a partition and use a big /home? Jun 04 02:19:05 you'd loose the /opt partition - so you wouldn't be able to install applications unless you formatted the whole partition as ext3 Jun 04 02:19:17 and that would cause problems with the camera Jun 04 02:19:37 and may mess up the rootfs if you have RP1.2 Jun 04 02:20:01 pr1.2 is the latest update of 113.64 Mb? Jun 04 02:20:10 yup Jun 04 02:22:37 what is the main purpose of MyDocs? Is there a special use? I'm asking this to determine a size for this partition Jun 04 02:24:35 astruasdh: MyDocs is mostly used for storing personal files such as music, pictures, documents, and in some cases, application cache Jun 04 02:24:56 Application Manager uses it for package caching ;) Jun 04 02:25:32 got it... so it is more sane to keep MyDocs partition higher than /home one... what do u think? Jun 04 02:26:17 astruasdh: /home isn't mounted to a partition, /home/user/MyDocs is the mountpoint for the 27GB partition Jun 04 02:27:25 astruasdh: i'd recommend using an sd card - playing with the eMMC can be dangerous and may really mess up your device ;) Jun 04 02:27:57 hmmm so all I need is to make MyDocs partition a little short (size=20GB) and ext3. that free unpartitioned space is for future use, like enlarge /usr or something like this Jun 04 02:28:46 b-man, ya, but I dont have one... I'm really annoyed with that vfat partition Jun 04 02:29:32 b-man, hey... is it possible to remove the eMMC to backup it from an external pc in a safe way? Jun 04 02:29:42 nope Jun 04 02:30:06 it's a surface-mounted chip on the device's PCB Jun 04 02:32:07 so I just noticed that PR1.2 meant I can do the *number# semnatics to check balance on prepaid cards, really nice. I had to use another phone (swap sim cards) before to do those things Jun 04 02:32:34 I've wondered what the name of that feature is? Jun 04 02:32:53 b-man, got it! thank you very much! Jun 04 02:32:54 was very surprised when my 20 EUR nokia had it but my N900 didn't (before) :P Jun 04 02:35:09 * b-man is going to bed - c ya later guys :) Jun 04 02:35:49 b-man, I will make MyDocs partition shorter and make it ext3. Can this break some app or is it ok to do that? Jun 04 02:35:53 hello SwedeMike^^ Jun 04 02:36:00 b-man, hmmm go there, thank you! Jun 04 02:38:13 astruasdh: it *should* be safe. Check ruskie's wiki page about repartitioning, or ask SpeedEvil Jun 04 02:38:24 SwedeMike: USSD Jun 04 02:38:55 I am going to sleep. Jun 04 02:38:56 So no Jun 04 02:40:37 astruasdh: IIRC SpeedEvil shrinked MyDocs to 4GB, and created an additional new partition ext3 on the freed up space Jun 04 02:42:39 it seems 1.1.1->1.2 OTA upgrade has problems with that occasionally, otherwise it should just work Jun 04 02:42:47 DocScrutinizer: thanks! Jun 04 02:44:00 now that I know that it's called USSD I found lots of information about it and the inclusion in PR1.2 :P Jun 04 02:54:16 ty guys Jun 04 02:57:35 DocScrutinizer, that sounds good... but using a vfat partition sounds kind of ugly for me. But I'm just speculating, because I have never analyzed that standard partitions Jun 04 02:58:59 I like also to keep an unpartitioned space for future use **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 04 02:59:57 2010