**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 04 02:59:57 2010 Jun 04 03:08:45 hey... navigating through app manager, I saw 2 kernel-related apps to install (kernel-power, etc). Is such packages improves performance and/or energy consumption? Jun 04 03:11:36 astruasdh: there is a custom kernel that allows to set voltages etc, so in combination with those tools you can experiment with undervoltage to save power. google and you'll find information. Jun 04 03:11:37 almost surprised how big this maemo channel is Jun 04 03:13:13 anyone here done any overclocking of the n900? Jun 04 03:15:02 SwedeMike, ty :) Jun 04 03:17:10 is the e-mail read able to download just the unread e-mail using imap? Jun 04 03:17:23 s/e-mail read/e-mail read app/ Jun 04 03:17:23 astruasdh meant: is the e-mail read app able to download just the unread e-mail using imap? Jun 04 03:17:43 the best bot ever! hehe Jun 04 03:18:07 s/e-mail using/e-mails using/ Jun 04 03:20:53 cya guys, ty Jun 04 03:25:21 huh, the n900 volume keys work with the screen locked... Jun 04 03:28:06 asj: nice Jun 04 03:41:19 hey hey Jun 04 03:41:22 luke-jr, yes, that was me. :P Jun 04 03:41:33 will the n900 I buy in the US work everywhere in europe too? Jun 04 03:43:47 yes Jun 04 03:44:23 asj, so it has support for all of those channels, and I can easily switch to their providers? Jun 04 03:44:30 anything I should know ahead of time to avoid costs? Jun 04 03:44:50 get a local sim Jun 04 03:44:58 and use tmo in the US Jun 04 03:45:37 unless you don't like your money Jun 04 03:46:06 I like my money Jun 04 03:46:17 local prepaid sims are good then Jun 04 03:46:33 might want to research who has the best rates Jun 04 03:46:46 (or coverage) Jun 04 03:46:47 sort of a trip across europe Jun 04 03:46:48 GAN900: am I getting one, or just a mass mail to complete some database? Jun 04 03:46:55 and I'm going to switch from sprint right now Jun 04 03:47:11 stuffz: afaik, all Europe providers use the same channels Jun 04 03:47:11 instead of getting the evo4g and experiencing another 2 years od cdma old Jun 04 03:47:12 y Jun 04 03:47:44 stuffz: I hear 3G is basically CDMA anyway Jun 04 03:47:54 what does that mean? Jun 04 03:48:13 is there a clever trick to use cmda in europe or something Jun 04 03:48:13 stuffz: "it's all the same crap" Jun 04 03:48:20 luke-jr, I assume so. I'm not actually doing the mailing out, just collecting the requisite info for Quim, but everybody I've emailed I've done so with the intention of having them provided a loaner. Jun 04 03:48:26 no, they're different just enough to break things I think Jun 04 03:48:37 well that's nice Jun 04 03:48:46 stuffz, 3G (WCDMA/UMTS) is just an extension to the standard CDMA. Jun 04 03:49:19 well im comparing the n900 video performance to the evo 4g currently trying to decide Jun 04 03:49:27 GAN900: I see. Thanks. Now I feel responsible for completing my N810 mainline port ;p Jun 04 03:49:37 or working on bits till it's complete anyhow Jun 04 03:50:31 would be nice if the next NIT had 4G support, including non-SIM-card services Jun 04 03:52:20 but then, I'd also want a bigger display at least :p Jun 04 03:52:23 luke-jr, the 4g is attracting me to the evo, especially since I'm currently with sprint, but I'm pretty close to changing over Jun 04 03:52:28 why does Nokia only do one device at a time? Jun 04 03:52:56 Research platform Jun 04 03:53:01 still? Jun 04 03:53:04 luke-jr, I'm planning to separate my patches for the patches from my n8x0 mainline port. Jun 04 03:53:07 So there's not much of an investment behind it Jun 04 03:53:09 I thought it left the "experimental" phase with N900 Jun 04 03:53:27 Should be changing with MeeGo Jun 04 03:53:28 Termana: I think the difficult part is CBus Jun 04 03:53:37 N900 is still experiment Jun 04 03:53:39 GAN900: does that mean two phones? :p Jun 04 03:53:44 Thus why they're dropping support Jun 04 03:53:46 Dunno Jun 04 03:53:50 I can only hope Jun 04 03:53:52 one for the "omg N900 is too big!" idiots, and one for "eck, too small!"? Jun 04 03:53:54 Capacitive sucks Jun 04 03:54:03 * luke-jr honestly has never used capacitive Jun 04 03:54:09 Right, I don't have intentions of pushing anything up mainline. But just making sure its usable for the MeeGo n8x0 project Jun 04 03:54:22 Termana: :( Jun 04 03:54:46 Termana: then we need to rinse and repeat every N kernel versions Jun 04 03:55:15 luke-jr, your free to try and push stuff out of my tree to mainline :P But I have my doubt, it would seem like a waste of time Jun 04 03:55:21 doubts* Jun 04 03:56:16 Termana: if it was done up front, we wouldn't have to be porting it now ;) Jun 04 03:56:16 how cheaply can the n900 be had for? Jun 04 03:56:41 luke-jr, heh :P no Jun 04 03:56:57 stuffz, I've found them on ebay for about $600 AUD Jun 04 03:57:25 Termana: no? yes Jun 04 03:57:37 oh tat is a shitload Jun 04 03:57:43 might as well get the 4g for 200 Jun 04 03:57:47 luke-jr, I mean, no we wouldn't have to be porting it if it was done up front Jun 04 03:58:05 lol Jun 04 03:58:16 yeah, 4G gets unlimited supposedly too Jun 04 03:58:23 pretty sure there's no unlimited 3G in the US Jun 04 03:59:11 It looks like most n900 stuff is going be up in mainline which is good Jun 04 03:59:54 but I;m thinking about swtiching from sprint just so I dont have to use a shit phone while backacking in europe Jun 04 04:00:10 (sprint = cdma only crap) Jun 04 04:00:49 yeah Jun 04 04:00:56 Nokia really improved that side for N900 I think Jun 04 04:01:18 stuffz: not Sprint's fault Europe doesn't support CDMA phones Jun 04 04:01:19 :p Jun 04 04:01:31 yeah, if you have any innovative solutions for me, then I'd happily consider them Jun 04 04:01:41 cdma is old tech afaik Jun 04 04:01:55 i.e. sprints fault that it doesnt use gsm Jun 04 04:02:16 stuffz: GSM is older than CDMA I think Jun 04 04:02:33 3G is a combination of both kinda Jun 04 04:03:06 Sprint is plain CDMA as an early adopter, it seems to me Jun 04 04:03:14 CDMA is the 3G before 3G :P Jun 04 04:03:28 But Sprint has the EVO! Jun 04 04:03:31 :D :P Jun 04 04:03:51 wtf is EVO Jun 04 04:04:07 luke-jr obviously isn't up to snuff on tech news Jun 04 04:04:14 the HTC EVO Jun 04 04:04:15 evo is first 4g phone Jun 04 04:04:20 and it is android Jun 04 04:04:24 the only problem I have with Sprint is that they won't sell dataless plans for use with even semi-open phones Jun 04 04:04:40 I don't really have $ for data plans here Jun 04 04:04:49 Its like... the HTC HD2... except not Windows Mobile and its 4G Jun 04 04:05:09 yeah, im not sure what to get termana Jun 04 04:05:16 but I would like an open phone so I can prepend all my calls with 1# Jun 04 04:05:20 it wont work at all in europe where ill be for 2mo this summer Jun 04 04:05:29 so im thinking n900 Jun 04 04:05:37 so long as i can get one for cheap Jun 04 04:05:43 im already with sprint Jun 04 04:05:47 and id like to change Jun 04 04:06:03 stuffz, Nexus One! Jun 04 04:06:06 stuffz, iPhone! Jun 04 04:06:12 what about them Jun 04 04:06:14 I'd be leaning toward finding a cheap Bluetooth-tetherable phone Jun 04 04:06:23 stuffz, Samsung BADA phones Jun 04 04:06:24 ! Jun 04 04:06:28 tetherable to what? Jun 04 04:06:39 cheap phone ----tether-----evo 4g? Jun 04 04:06:39 to another smart device Jun 04 04:06:51 yeah Jun 04 04:06:52 like that Jun 04 04:06:55 no idea that worked Jun 04 04:06:59 why all the drama seriously? Jun 04 04:07:12 stuffz: depends on the cheap phone I think Jun 04 04:07:15 and Android Jun 04 04:08:06 I don't think you can tether another phone to the EVO over Bluetooth etc. Jun 04 04:08:12 (DUN) Jun 04 04:08:24 if I'm to have a smart phone I just want to whip it out and have ti work Jun 04 04:08:24 Termana: then replace EVO Android with mainline + Gentoo Jun 04 04:08:25 :D Jun 04 04:08:35 :D Jun 04 04:08:37 asj: sure, once you configure it Jun 04 04:08:47 what about them Jun 04 04:08:52 and I don't want to carry a belt full of crap Jun 04 04:09:02 I'm just listing of different phones. No exact reason Jun 04 04:09:03 :P Jun 04 04:09:09 off* Jun 04 04:09:12 asj: most cheap phones are small Jun 04 04:09:17 i can tell Jun 04 04:09:21 I could easily fit two N810s in a single pants pocket Jun 04 04:09:27 stuffz: what's your goal exactly? Jun 04 04:09:38 reduce costs while have the best Jun 04 04:09:46 lol Jun 04 04:09:47 stuffz: there is no "the best" Jun 04 04:09:48 in terms of phone plans reduce costs Jun 04 04:09:52 well my best Jun 04 04:10:00 Im a linux geek Jun 04 04:10:08 but Im currently on sprint Jun 04 04:10:13 stuffz: I'm waiting. Nothing matches my best yet. Jun 04 04:10:15 and id consider switching to tmo for n900 Jun 04 04:10:30 stuffz: ok, and does that solve the cost issue? Jun 04 04:10:31 stuffz: be aware that Android and Maemo are not Linux, just Linux-based Jun 04 04:10:32 whats wrong with n900 luke-jr Jun 04 04:10:41 N900 is too small, for a start Jun 04 04:10:46 and doesn't support CDMA Jun 04 04:10:46 stuffz: he hates it or something, ignore him Jun 04 04:10:49 it solves buying a decent phone for two months of use in europe Jun 04 04:10:57 i wish my n900 had wimax, like the 810wimax version ;) Jun 04 04:11:12 simula_: WiMax is rarer than iDEN :p Jun 04 04:11:28 luke-jr... in the seattle area we have clearwire.... a wimax isp Jun 04 04:11:42 simula_: you also have Boost Mobile, an iDEN ISP :P Jun 04 04:11:54 and they're not limited to Seattle Jun 04 04:12:00 clearwire is $30 for home and phone : Jun 04 04:12:01 : Jun 04 04:12:05 stuffz: ok, then buy it if it's what you want. I think ovi maps with pr1.2 is good enough to use while traveling to find restaurants and such, not as good as google maps, bt ok Jun 04 04:12:06 the evo 4g will be 200$ for me, but im not sure how much switching to tmo and getting the n900 will be Jun 04 04:12:31 asj: Ovi Maps work w/o Maemo? Jun 04 04:12:38 luke-jr, your the first person to say Maemo is not based on Linux, expand your thinking Jun 04 04:12:42 ah, so l33t things like goog maps dont work, heh Jun 04 04:12:48 luke-jr: Jun 04 04:12:54 stuffz: if you don't buy the phone from TMO, they have $10/mo less Jun 04 04:12:57 I've heard all the arguments of people saying Android is not Linux Jun 04 04:13:00 i heardthe n900 dual boots with android Jun 04 04:13:03 Termana: I didn't say that, I said it IS based on Linux Jun 04 04:13:15 stuffz: not really Jun 04 04:13:16 Sorry rephrase my question, your the first person to say it isn't Linux, its linux based Jun 04 04:13:28 stuffz: the web site works just fine, but it's not as good as the symbian google maps client Jun 04 04:13:28 Termana: maybe Jun 04 04:13:33 expand your thinking Jun 04 04:13:44 Termana: it's no more Linux than Android is Jun 04 04:13:46 luke-jr: what's ubuntu? linux? Jun 04 04:13:51 asj: AFAIK Jun 04 04:14:02 at least, you can run Ubuntu with a Linux kernel Jun 04 04:14:15 maemo is more linux than android Jun 04 04:14:15 Maemo will complain it's missing non-standard /proc entries etc Jun 04 04:14:18 In what way, its uses 'linux' userland mostly AFAIK Jun 04 04:14:25 * asj boggles Jun 04 04:14:29 Termana: Linux is a kernel, not a userland Jun 04 04:14:31 Although it replaces things like GNU tools with, say like, Busybox Jun 04 04:14:35 ok, I'll stop feeding the troll Jun 04 04:15:04 asj: it's "Linux" if it can boot/etc with mainline Jun 04 04:15:16 luke-jr, right, but whats your argument that Maemo is NOT Linux, just Linux-based Jun 04 04:15:23 I assume this: Jun 04 04:15:23 asj: it's "Linux" if it can boot/etc with mainline Jun 04 04:15:33 Termana: Maemo cannot boot with mainline Jun 04 04:15:38 see /proc/bootreason, etc Jun 04 04:15:54 luke-jr: my laptop can't boot with mainline, it can run ubuntu Jun 04 04:16:02 Which just sounds like crap and semantics and the same bullshit people try to say about Android Jun 04 04:16:06 asj: that's your laptop, not Ubuntu, at fault Jun 04 04:16:18 Termana: I said Android isn't Linux either :P Jun 04 04:16:43 luke-jr: ubuntu doesn't use mainline. btw, why are you even on this irc channel? Jun 04 04:16:47 luke-jr, right, but your arguing that if you have out-of-tree patches in your kernel, your not using Linux, just linux-based Jun 04 04:16:51 fucking lockin Jun 04 04:16:56 lose lose situation Jun 04 04:17:00 asj: Ubuntu won't fail to boot if you run mainline Jun 04 04:17:21 are these craigslist n900 for ~$300 possible/legit? Jun 04 04:17:28 Termana: no, I'm arguing if your userland depends on functionality not present in mainline, and won't boot with mainline, then it's not Linux Jun 04 04:17:31 luke-jr: this is the dumbest aregument I've ever heard Jun 04 04:18:02 Termana: in other words, even after the N8x0/N900 hardware is supported 100% by mainline Linux, the Maemo userland will STILL refuse to boot with it Jun 04 04:18:34 asj, I think what he is saying is legitimate enough. I'm not going to say weather I agree or not, but he is making a legitimate argument Jun 04 04:19:15 Ubuntu might ship a patched derivative of Linux, but if you replace it with a vanilla kernel, it WILL still boot and work Jun 04 04:20:06 I'm glad Nokia is aiming to get N900 hardware supported by Linux. That's all I really care about on their end anyway. Jun 04 04:20:28 hopefully MeeGo will be tolerant of vanilla Linux kernels, solving the easy half Jun 04 04:20:52 Termana: he's arguing that if I change the kernel source to deal with a different boot loader/init routine to deal with some particularities of some hardware, yet leave 99.99% of the code unchanged it's not linux. Jun 04 04:21:17 asj: no, I'm not arguing that at all with regard to MeeGo Jun 04 04:22:17 asj: I'm arguing if you change the kernel to have a new syscall that you never merge to mainline, and your userland refuses to boot without that syscall supported, your overall OS can't be said to be Linux Jun 04 04:22:27 because if you boot Linux, your OS will refuse to start Jun 04 04:23:16 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ele/1769942540.html this look legit? Jun 04 04:23:23 under $300 for a n900... Jun 04 04:23:29 in your example, if you claimed your bootloader supported Linux, I'd argue with that ;) Jun 04 04:23:48 stuffz: well, now it's taken ;) Jun 04 04:23:57 stuffz: if you want to be screwed by a 2 year contract, why not just buy the device outright? Jun 04 04:24:13 screwed? Jun 04 04:24:14 is it that much worse Jun 04 04:24:23 how many people aren't going to have 2 years of service? Jun 04 04:24:27 ill need service anyway, so it seems reasonable Jun 04 04:24:46 stuffz: the catch is, T-Mobile charges more for subsidized phones Jun 04 04:24:49 stuffz: but what is the service? it's neve mentioned Jun 04 04:25:01 he n900 is subsidized? Jun 04 04:26:00 on the other hand, the difference between T-Mobile subsidized Nexus One and standalone Nexus One + T-Mobile no-phone service, makes the subsidized cheaper still Jun 04 04:26:16 stuffz: ... that's the meaning of cheaper-phone-with-contract Jun 04 04:27:07 and if the phone ends up locked you can't change carriers or use to travel to europe Jun 04 04:27:35 asj: they're advertising unlocked Jun 04 04:29:00 luke-jr, on an unrelated topic I'd like to hear your argument of OS X not containing BSD (from the other day). To my knowledge, there is the BSD Subsystem and while it can be removed, it is actually required for some pieces of OS functionality. Jun 04 04:29:30 http://www.wi-so.com/All%20Tabs/even-more-plans.htm -- not good smart phone plans... Jun 04 04:30:04 Not an OS X user, but you said I had been 'tricked into believing BSD code is in OS X' Jun 04 04:30:21 Termana: I think you mean FreeBSD. Jun 04 04:30:30 IIRC, OS X has some BSD roots, but not via FreeBSD Jun 04 04:30:40 and certainly not direct Jun 04 04:30:48 OS X is based on NeXTStep Jun 04 04:31:48 luke-jr, NeXTStep pulled BSD code from FreeBSD and NetBSD to my knowledge. And collaboration efforts go on between FreeBSD and Apple currently (eg. Grand Central Dispatch) Jun 04 04:33:31 stuffz: 300 is maybe legit if its off the back of a truck or was a dev phone Jun 04 04:34:47 On another kind of unrelated note - BSD for n8x0/n900 anyone? :P Seriously though, in comparison to Linux, ARM efforts are seriously lacking on the BSD side Jun 04 04:35:27 sounds like a waste of time Jun 04 04:36:11 konfoo, BSD for n8x0/n900? Well actually I was joking. But it would be interesting to see it done. Jun 04 04:48:22 will garage host projects that may violate DMCA? Jun 04 04:48:56 until someone complains about violation :) Jun 04 04:49:13 worried my grooveshark client would be suspect Jun 04 04:49:25 :/ Jun 04 04:49:45 like my pandora client that rips the tracks? :P Jun 04 04:49:52 just host it somewhere else...? Jun 04 04:50:00 konfoo, yea basically Jun 04 04:50:37 https://launchpad.net/~eliaswoods/+archive/groove Jun 04 04:50:50 that may have to get taken down tho Jun 04 04:50:58 *if they complain Jun 04 05:01:10 konfoo: hey, with git it's just a re-push Jun 04 05:01:40 dotblank: i dont even host my ripper online anymore.. any reason why you're even sharing it with the world? Jun 04 05:02:40 luke: ? Jun 04 05:33:24 please, what is the difference between easy-debian and easy-chroot? I'm planning to use my own Debian distro; is easy-chroot sufficient for chrooting into the image and use debbie to run image's apps? Jun 04 05:43:15 £join #qt-maemo Jun 04 05:47:40 so my N810 was literally too hot to hold... Jun 04 05:49:51 luke-jr my n900 gets frighteningly hot when it charges Jun 04 05:50:13 it was charging on my car's dashboard in the sun on a hot day Jun 04 05:50:22 that'll do it Jun 04 05:51:10 hmm, found 3 GB of 5 year old swap files Jun 04 05:51:23 * luke-jr wonders if there's anything useful he might have lost in them Jun 04 05:51:36 lol Jun 04 05:52:11 Save them. Maybe in the future there's technology that can bring them back to life! Jun 04 05:52:33 assuming "they" exist Jun 04 05:52:36 just like walt disney... Jun 04 05:52:51 dunno, I kinda prefer 3 GB of free space right now Jun 04 05:53:07 the whole reason I found them at all was because I'm compressing my old system image >_< Jun 04 05:53:24 how much space does the 810 have? Jun 04 05:53:34 this is on my desktop box Jun 04 05:53:39 oic Jun 04 05:54:07 but fwiw, N810's internal SD is 2 GB Jun 04 05:54:15 NAND memory is like 256 MB or so IIRC Jun 04 05:56:00 not too shabby. certainly beats what the 770 had Jun 04 06:29:25 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:32:34 Hello! Jun 04 06:34:40 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:34:54 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:35:01 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:35:02 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:35:02 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:35:03 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:35:03 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:35:03 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:35:03 {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~  irc.necron.org Jun 04 06:35:17 die Jun 04 06:36:37 http://people.mozilla.org/~jdaggett/images/ex7-aera20100607-p26-ipad.png Jun 04 06:36:51 does the picture at the top left look like an n900? Jun 04 06:37:26 no, see the 3 buttons on the right side Jun 04 06:38:25 it also says "Dell Streak" :) Jun 04 06:38:45 :P Jun 04 06:39:03 http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/02/dells-streak-the-harbinger-of-smartphone-tablet-hybrids/?src=busln oh snap Jun 04 06:40:35 also: linking to an ipad. sheesh. Jun 04 06:41:10 sell streak = listening to us old hands at internettablettalk.com Jun 04 06:41:13 dell Jun 04 06:41:15 hmm... telepathy-idle and the conversations application do not like 400 people in one room Jun 04 06:42:04 pupnik: is there anyone here not an old hand? ;) Jun 04 06:42:32 n.c. Jun 04 06:42:45 nod. Jun 04 06:50:56 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/03/nokia_bicycle/ <-- hmm Jun 04 06:56:49 it is fun how defensive apple users get when you point out the ball and chain on their ankle Jun 04 06:59:43 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/04/sony-ericsson-prepping-a-5-inch-android-phone-with-qwerty-keyboa/ <-- mmm qwerty Jun 04 07:00:02 urg. wrong channel. though. i guess it's somewhat applicable here Jun 04 07:08:53 ping muelli Jun 04 07:21:03 morning Jun 04 07:23:19 mornin hrw Jun 04 07:45:07 X-Fade, ping Jun 04 07:49:38 oops, "nice mv foo bar" seems to be very slow Jun 04 07:51:57 heh Jun 04 07:53:36 cpu-bound mv? wtf? Jun 04 07:55:55 that's way how nice schedules things Jun 04 07:56:11 so cpu probably goes to 0Hz Jun 04 07:56:33 perhaps the nice level makes it unresponsive to an event Jun 04 07:57:00 i havent benchmarked yet. waiting hours to move 4gB to SD Jun 04 08:00:11 Is Maemo still being developed??? I thought it's dead now Jun 04 08:00:21 kkb1101: why would it be? Jun 04 08:00:30 there are things that needs to be fixed... Jun 04 08:00:30 because it's not merged Jun 04 08:00:33 now Jun 04 08:00:35 merged? Jun 04 08:00:38 oh ok. Jun 04 08:01:20 stuff being developed for maemo right now should still be valuable for meego, I'd imagine? Jun 04 08:01:31 so there is little reason to freeze development for maemo Jun 04 08:02:04 but I guess there is no more big innovative update am I right? Jun 04 08:02:11 umm Jun 04 08:02:16 how can you be so sure? Jun 04 08:02:38 did you read some rumor on a blog or something Jun 04 08:02:49 because devices from now on will have meego instead of maemo.. I think Jun 04 08:02:56 no Jun 04 08:02:57 or do you have a nokia annoucment saying so? Jun 04 08:03:16 that is just my thought but.. isn't it right? Jun 04 08:04:14 what's right? Jun 04 08:04:18 there was announcment Jun 04 08:04:29 saying that maemo would be freezed? Jun 04 08:04:31 I haven't read that Jun 04 08:04:35 there will be no new devices with maemo Jun 04 08:04:42 and n900 will not have meego Jun 04 08:05:01 but that does not say that the development for maemo will be frozen.. Jun 04 08:06:00 but it means nobody will care what happens to maemo Jun 04 08:06:11 :( Jun 04 08:06:14 I'm surprised that n900 can't be upgraded to meego. Jun 04 08:06:26 meego on arm is still kinda in its infancy though isn't it? Jun 04 08:06:28 you can install whatever you want on n900 Jun 04 08:06:45 there is an announcement? Jun 04 08:06:51 where? Jun 04 08:06:59 * Appiah sees no link Jun 04 08:07:10 kkb1101, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551 Jun 04 08:07:45 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ Jun 04 08:08:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 <-- Jun 04 08:08:25 Appiah: I'm not sure which one is true http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2010/03/15/nokia-n900-not-upgradeable-to-meego/ Jun 04 08:08:29 brb Jun 04 08:08:54 kkb1101: just beacuse you cant "upgrade" does not mean you can install meego or whatever you want on your n900 Jun 04 08:09:23 wow Jun 04 08:09:27 that is sad Jun 04 08:09:32 Macer, what is sad? Jun 04 08:09:45 the lack of plans for meego on n900 Jun 04 08:09:58 im trying to update my n900. it says i dont have memory for it.. how do i clean up so i can install the 113 mb update? Jun 04 08:10:00 plan is that there won't be such? Jun 04 08:10:01 nokias plans? Jun 04 08:10:07 very strict plan imo Jun 04 08:10:12 we still have the community.. Jun 04 08:10:20 libben, it's the rootfs that it complains about. Jun 04 08:10:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space libben Jun 04 08:10:28 X-Fade, ping Jun 04 08:10:29 like the n900 will get the non official scraps Jun 04 08:10:33 libben, disable extras, extras-testing and extras-devel and try again Jun 04 08:10:35 libben, on rootfs you have too little space, check web instrcutions Jun 04 08:10:43 ~rootfs Jun 04 08:10:47 if nokia does that i swear i will never buy another nokia ever Jun 04 08:10:48 somebody said rootfs was mount ro, but all the nessary files that need to be writen to are created in a ramdisk that is rw Jun 04 08:10:58 * Appiah throws rocks on infobot Jun 04 08:11:07 Macer, may i ask reason for that? Jun 04 08:11:11 this will be my last one they are pulling a sega Jun 04 08:11:45 well nokia didn't release maemo5 for my n800 as well Jun 04 08:11:46 Surfa: because they are rolling with intel crap and leaving faithful consumers in the dust Jun 04 08:11:59 buuuhuuu Jun 04 08:12:00 ditching the n900 :) Jun 04 08:12:19 i could understand if it was old hardware Jun 04 08:12:29 nokia wants to make more products and make more money , THOSE BASTARDS Jun 04 08:12:37 but to ditch it while it is rolling Jun 04 08:12:39 who could have thought? Jun 04 08:12:43 Appiah: uhm Jun 04 08:12:47 * Appiah ducks Jun 04 08:12:58 arent n900 getting hacked meegos from the community in a later stage? Jun 04 08:13:03 at the expense of people who bought their product. Jun 04 08:13:08 libben: it is atm Jun 04 08:13:09 ? Jun 04 08:13:13 :) Jun 04 08:13:24 like i said they pulled a sega Jun 04 08:13:25 a bit more stable hacked release i mean =) Jun 04 08:13:30 symbian is crap Jun 04 08:13:30 people been putting ubuntu and other dists on their n900 Jun 04 08:13:36 why wouldnt they try meego? Jun 04 08:14:04 all in chroot Jun 04 08:14:07 i will wait for meefail Jun 04 08:14:34 which will suck :) and watch nokia switch to android in 2 years Jun 04 08:15:25 any takers on starting a pool for the day this will happen? Jun 04 08:15:37 actually n900 is pretty old hw :P Jun 04 08:15:54 it performs well thougj Jun 04 08:15:55 and it has nothing to do with intel, your reasoning has huge holes Jun 04 08:15:57 though Jun 04 08:16:00 so it doesnt matter Jun 04 08:16:13 Surfa: if you say so Jun 04 08:16:20 2 years Jun 04 08:16:37 android for nokia after releasing crappy phone OSes Jun 04 08:16:43 2 years in mobile devices is very long time still Jun 04 08:17:04 and abandoning their consumers for the next possible thing Jun 04 08:17:06 getting the open source parts of meego to n900 won't necessarily be that great if nokia's n9x0 will have large part of the user visible stuff as closed source, like in n900 Jun 04 08:17:27 Trewas: it will be like mer Jun 04 08:17:44 stuck because of psuedo-open hw Jun 04 08:17:49 :) Jun 04 08:18:20 ah well.. time to look for a new phone and sell this thing while i have the chance Jun 04 08:18:25 Macer, well, maemo5 will run through normal lifecycle, so abandoning is false statement also Jun 04 08:18:45 Surfa: a shortened life cycle Jun 04 08:18:58 shortened from what to what? Jun 04 08:19:07 or is that just personal opinion? Jun 04 08:19:07 android isn't a true linux, period Jun 04 08:19:32 i love my n900 Jun 04 08:19:37 Surfa: time will tell... nokia is jumping on the bandwagon and dont have the os to do it Jun 04 08:19:44 next phone will be similar and with meego hopefully Jun 04 08:20:15 trying to play catch up to the iphone market so throwing whatever they can out there hoping it catches on Jun 04 08:20:22 Macer, ok, so you have just hard feelings, try think facts through too :) Jun 04 08:20:32 this strategy will make nokia the next palm Jun 04 08:20:37 :) Jun 04 08:20:54 heard of: saturated advertisement? Jun 04 08:21:20 psycho_oreos: iphone is not such a good seller simply from marketing Jun 04 08:21:25 your n900 won't stop working as has been said to people like million times, it will have meego as community release, it will have maemo5 roadmapped releases Jun 04 08:21:36 say what you want but at the time it really was innovating Jun 04 08:22:23 and whatevwer anybody says.. the rest of the market is simply playing catch up Jun 04 08:22:36 and i dont like apple :) Jun 04 08:22:45 I love my n900 and can't wait for the next nokia device Jun 04 08:22:46 Macer, afaik it was, and they made it so all the people crave for it like mcdonalds. Plus iphone wasn't the only phone that featured touchscreen Jun 04 08:23:16 Macer, i just say thing the way they are Jun 04 08:23:39 you are just having too much feelings right now,drop them and check the picture again Jun 04 08:23:48 psycho_oreos: sure sure. the typical anti iphone argument Jun 04 08:24:00 "the commercials made the world do it" Jun 04 08:24:27 not the fact it was the most intuitive interface for a touchscreen at the time not requiring a stylus Jun 04 08:25:15 i personally prefer stylus over finger touch Jun 04 08:25:26 i kind of hate finger touching in general Jun 04 08:25:28 stylus on n900 wasn't a mandatory feature, it was only for those with who wants to do some artwork or to finely select certain words, actions Jun 04 08:25:55 psycho_oreos: or click on links without zooming in? Jun 04 08:26:21 Macer, there's pinky finger for that unless you have dick fingers :) Jun 04 08:26:34 anyways. 2 years... nokia will be late yet again in jumping on the android bandwagon Jun 04 08:26:41 after meefail Jun 04 08:26:56 nite :) sleep time Jun 04 08:27:18 android again, isn't a true linux OS Jun 04 08:27:28 didnt say it was Jun 04 08:27:29 err true linux based distro/platform Jun 04 08:27:55 I'm sure people who bought maemo knew to some extent maemo was no conventional phone :P Jun 04 08:27:57 just saying what will be left after abandonments and failure Jun 04 08:28:00 Jun 04 08:28:24 HI RST38bis ! :) Jun 04 08:28:28 more like a curse than a prediction Jun 04 08:28:48 psycho_oreos: we will see ;) Jun 04 08:28:55 moo, Macer Jun 04 08:29:01 you can say you told me so Jun 04 08:29:45 Trewas, there is a community effort to get harmattan inluding nokia binaries etc onto n900 that Stskeeps is leading Jun 04 08:29:47 Macer, no if that happens I'll be happy to own a properly linux powered phone, I've lost many chances in the past and I'm sure I won't lose that many more in the future. meego will be very interesting Jun 04 08:30:52 nice feature in outlook.. "would you like to send a read receipt: yes/no", i press no.. read receipt still gets sent Jun 04 08:31:32 TomaszD: no, at stilo Jun 04 08:32:29 frals, lol Jun 04 08:48:26 Stskeeps, what? Jun 04 08:49:44 TomaszD: not at home, in the middle of nowhered Jun 04 08:53:19 umm, k Jun 04 08:56:43 sez peppa bay plz Jun 04 08:56:50 ops Jun 04 09:14:18 zaheerm: ping? Jun 04 09:15:46 X-Fade, we're having a problem with a package in the autobuilder Jun 04 09:16:01 X-Fade, builds fine in scratchbox on multiple machines in armel root Jun 04 09:16:13 zaheerm: Yes, usually this happens when your control or rules file is broken. Jun 04 09:16:27 X-Fade, summary.log shows it is after dpkg-checkbuilddeps that it stops Jun 04 09:16:54 zaheerm: binary-predeb/gstreamer0.10-plugins-musepack:: Jun 04 09:16:59 zaheerm: Is that valid? Jun 04 09:17:06 zaheerm: Double colon? Jun 04 09:17:36 X-Fade, aah no idea that could be it Jun 04 09:17:53 zaheerm: Hmm no, that seems to be in more places. Jun 04 09:18:04 yah i have the same in -vp8 and that worked Jun 04 09:18:51 zaheerm: In control you have duplicate fields btw. Jun 04 09:19:36 barisione: I just installed contacts-merger (but didn't enable extras-devel for it, I downloaded the .deb and installed that one) but now I get an internal application error when I want to find duplicates Jun 04 09:20:17 twouters: another person told me the same Jun 04 09:20:27 twouters: and he is debugging it atm Jun 04 09:20:31 twouters: did you reboot? Jun 04 09:20:39 twouters: where the other person is zaheerm :) Jun 04 09:20:48 pillar_: yes Jun 04 09:20:49 X-Fade, thx looking at that Jun 04 09:21:14 barisione: thanks Jun 04 09:22:17 http://chinagrabber.com/feiyang-n8-touch-3-4-dual-band-cell-phone-w-wifi-tv-dual-standby.aspx Nokia N8 knockoff $139 said :) Jun 04 09:23:51 X-Fade, I have a security-related question. Is it true that anyone with devel access can build anyone's package in the autobuilder? Jun 04 09:24:19 TomaszD: Yes. Jun 04 09:24:55 so the maintainer requests are... for what? Jun 04 09:25:03 two 900mah batteries? would be awesome to hotswap batteries without reboot Jun 04 09:25:04 which btw still don't work Jun 04 09:25:05 Promotion etc. Jun 04 09:25:07 so you can promote the packages Jun 04 09:25:12 ah Jun 04 09:25:17 hey nokia, next innovation Jun 04 09:25:32 so extras-devel is a wild west of sorts Jun 04 09:25:33 battery swap without reboot Jun 04 09:25:57 TomaszD: I'm debugging the request issue. As it works for most packages, but bugs for the vp8 one. Jun 04 09:26:19 it bugs for mkv, vp8 and flv too as zaheerm didn't get any mail Jun 04 09:26:44 not that we need this now really, as decoders-support will pull those packages automatically anyway Jun 04 09:26:45 yeah, something in those packages triggers something. Jun 04 09:27:07 but we need this last gstreamer package to build damn it :) Jun 04 09:27:09 And I didn't see this issue before on any other package. Jun 04 09:27:16 ok :) Jun 04 09:27:32 Maybe it is scared of zaheer. Jun 04 09:27:46 it's also scared of me apparently Jun 04 09:27:53 And it doesn't want to bother him. Jun 04 09:28:25 TomaszD: As you might have noticed, I could request maintainer for your package without problems. Jun 04 09:28:35 yeah, noticed Jun 04 09:28:39 But not for zaheer's. Jun 04 09:28:39 so that was you heh Jun 04 09:30:00 X-Fade, you're a star Jun 04 09:30:20 X-Fade, it got past that stage now in autobuilder removing the dup fields Jun 04 09:30:48 zaheerm: Cool. Yeah, silent failure is not great. Jun 04 09:31:40 zaheerm: Btw debian/optify -> auto might help ;) Jun 04 09:31:50 ok noted :) Jun 04 09:32:03 Will save users some space on rootfs. Jun 04 09:32:21 its TomaszD's package that i'm helping fix :) Jun 04 09:32:45 Ah so we need to blame and shame TomaszD then :) Jun 04 09:34:28 oh boy Jun 04 09:34:29 :) Jun 04 09:34:31 heya all, has anyone tried to copy paste into xterm when logging with vnc to the n900? Jun 04 09:35:02 first of all, I don't think it's a good idea to put gstreamer plugins on slower memory Jun 04 09:35:04 :P Jun 04 09:35:11 so it's intentionally non-optified Jun 04 09:35:36 It is only initial startup cost. Won't hurt performance on runtime. Jun 04 09:36:22 It is not like these libs are being loaded 1000 times a second ;) Jun 04 09:36:47 sometimes I'm not so sure about this :P Jun 04 09:37:11 anyway, yeah, I think we can optify things later, these .so files are very small anyway Jun 04 09:37:40 once we merge with ogg-support it'll be on my radar Jun 04 09:38:30 TomaszD: It's not slower. Jun 04 09:38:33 hey all Jun 04 09:38:41 are there offline blogging apps for n900? Jun 04 09:38:57 TomaszD: Both / and the mmc go at about 13Mbytes/s read Jun 04 09:40:27 twouters: I found where zaheerm's problem is and I will fix it Jun 04 09:40:33 hopefully it will fix also your crasher Jun 04 09:40:37 moo---_: MaStory Jun 04 09:40:47 moo---_: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mastory Jun 04 09:41:10 looks good Jun 04 09:41:15 need to test drive it tonight Jun 04 09:41:57 how's the host mode going? Jun 04 09:42:13 think there's a thread for that Jun 04 09:42:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode Jun 04 09:43:20 Hmmm - I just got an idea - I've got USB-port on my Car-Stereo - Wonder if it can be used as an car-charger... Jun 04 09:43:46 that's for n8x0 Jun 04 09:43:57 corecode: well, apparently it's working Jun 04 09:44:03 phellarv: it can Jun 04 09:44:08 "Note: The N900 does not support USB Host-mode/OTG. See discussion for details., as well as On usb on the n900" Jun 04 09:44:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921 Jun 04 09:44:30 corecode: mohammadAG managed to get it working Jun 04 09:44:51 corecode: now it's about making it into nice package Jun 04 09:45:00 but hardest part is done Jun 04 09:45:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Jun 04 09:46:04 Anyone here have n900 and ssh tunneling working? Jun 04 09:46:25 define ssh tunnel Dima202 Jun 04 09:46:44 I want to vnc to desktop via ssh tunnel Jun 04 09:46:50 USB Host mode is not quite working Jun 04 09:46:59 Ikarus: it's working Jun 04 09:47:02 it still requires crashing the OTG statemachine which is not that great Jun 04 09:47:06 Dima202: and the problem is.? Jun 04 09:47:15 corecode: and n900 can push 200mA Jun 04 09:47:28 u GET NO SUCH IDENTITY: /HOME/USER/.SSH/ID_DSA Jun 04 09:47:33 sorry about caps Jun 04 09:47:53 Dima202: ssh-keygen is your friend Jun 04 09:47:55 I get that error while trying to use id_dsa.pub Jun 04 09:47:58 jacekowski: sweet Jun 04 09:48:26 need to fix your keys Dima202 .. Jun 04 09:48:49 jacekowski: I don't call it working until it is doable without the OTG abuse, given that that procedure just isn't great Jun 04 09:48:50 I tried no keyphrase but then it asks me for a password Jun 04 09:49:16 Dima202: ssh -vvv Jun 04 09:49:29 when i do use a keyphrase it asks me for it and when it's wrong it repeatedly asks me if i enter correct it just saysPermmission denied (public key) Jun 04 09:49:43 phellarv: yeah that's where I am getting the info from Jun 04 09:49:47 Ikarus: otg is incompatible with normall host mode so it will never work according to your definition Jun 04 09:49:51 Permissions on .ssh? Jun 04 09:50:06 Dima202: ~/.ssh I mean Jun 04 09:50:18 and on the files? Jun 04 09:51:20 user read/write Jun 04 09:52:39 I'd like to be able to use a serial port connected to my N900, but I guess it's out of the question. Thought about bluetooth equivalent, but never checked it out further. Jun 04 09:53:00 SwedeMike: actually UART 3 is exposed in the battery bay Jun 04 09:53:06 we just don't know on which pins :) Jun 04 09:53:59 Ikarus: well, I'd like to have it user friendly, not hackable :P Jun 04 09:54:18 bluetooth serial devices work fine though Jun 04 09:54:21 bit expensive Jun 04 09:54:29 hrm, Python startup times still an issue then :/ Jun 04 09:54:29 Dima202: 700 on .ssh, and 644 on id_dsa.pub Jun 04 09:54:59 Dima202: Btw - are you sure the ssh-server allows DSA? Jun 04 09:55:20 n900's ssh server allows dsa Jun 04 09:55:34 SwedeMike: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8495 or the like (there are cheaper ones and battery powered ones, etc) Jun 04 09:55:52 0600 on the files within .ssh/ Jun 04 09:55:54 I'm using freeSSHd for windows, it should Jun 04 09:56:09 also make sure owner and group are correct Jun 04 09:56:17 sshd is strict about that Jun 04 09:56:39 Hi. Just got my n900, trying to get used to it. Ok to ask for tips here for beginner, or go elsewhere? (No one is awake at #n900.) Jun 04 09:57:14 Ikarus: what software would be used to talk to it? Jun 04 09:57:47 wow, 80 USD... not cheap at all :P Jun 04 09:58:04 SwedeMike: hey, it was the first shop I remembered having them Jun 04 09:58:07 far from the cheapest Jun 04 09:58:18 SwedeMike: you can just use minicom or the like Jun 04 09:58:25 SwedeMike: what are you wanting it for? Jun 04 09:58:36 SwedeMike: USB host mode is a work in progress. Jun 04 09:58:56 SpeedEvil: I want to be able to talk terminal 9600 8N1 with devices sometimes. Jun 04 09:58:58 SwedeMike: Wait a couple of weeks, and you might have the ability to just use USB serial Jun 04 09:59:07 SpeedEvil: nice. Jun 04 09:59:17 All you need is the stock cable, and a gender bender. Jun 04 10:00:02 sounds good, I already have a usb serial thingie for my pc Jun 04 10:00:38 SpeedEvil: where you can get gender bender? Jun 04 10:00:40 otoh, the bluetooth adapters are nice for NOT having to stand behind hot equipment racks Jun 04 10:00:44 jacekowski: thailand. Jun 04 10:00:56 SpeedEvil: because i bought 2 cables and i was thinking about soldering them myself Jun 04 10:00:57 phellarv: i tried 644 on id_dsa but it gives me a warning that it's too insecure so it won't even touch it Jun 04 10:00:59 I am actually in Thailand right now :P Jun 04 10:01:05 Dima202: Oh Jun 04 10:01:11 Hmmm Jun 04 10:01:31 * SpeedEvil is not questioning SwedeMikes gender. Jun 04 10:02:05 SpeedEvil: there are enough ladyboys here already :P Jun 04 10:02:09 phellarv: not on .pub.. n900 wont even use .pub for authentication.. that's for the public key for the ssh server Jun 04 10:04:05 I get the following PEM_read_PrivateKey failed and read PEM private key done: type then it asks me for my /.ssh/id_rsa passphrase Jun 04 10:04:50 jacekowski: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250641334947 Jun 04 10:05:22 i'll just pastebin the whole thing Jun 04 10:05:32 maybe someone can read it better the i Jun 04 10:07:08 pastebin.com/W2Xx9Jn9 Jun 04 10:07:24 SpeedEvil: that's HK not uk Jun 04 10:07:48 besides, i'm just looking at that host mode post Jun 04 10:07:52 jacekowski: Err - so? Jun 04 10:07:59 [2010-06-02 18:33:04] echo e > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc Jun 04 10:08:06 SpeedEvil: takes like a month to deliver Jun 04 10:08:21 and i don't see 'e' in musb_proc_write Jun 04 10:08:35 jacekowski: Or you can pay the seller an extra $20, and get it in a week Jun 04 10:08:53 well, that's more than i'm willing to pay Jun 04 10:08:56 jacekowski: however - I'm sure there are others available - that was simply the first one I found when searching for f-f Jun 04 10:09:05 i'll solder my own cable Jun 04 10:09:07 well.. it just crashed Jun 04 10:09:10 i already have cables Jun 04 10:09:11 and not its working Jun 04 10:09:18 now* it IS working? Jun 04 10:09:55 jacekowski: yeah - I meant for normal users. Jun 04 10:09:59 jacekowski: you're not normal. Jun 04 10:10:14 sorry to waste your time Jun 04 10:10:19 must be a windows thing Jun 04 10:11:10 Dima202: If nobody could waste anyone elses time, where would IRC be? Jun 04 10:11:37 hah Jun 04 10:13:42 hm, what is the recommended way to store settings when using qt to develop applications? still gconf? is there a wrapper? Jun 04 10:16:15 qsettings i think? Jun 04 10:18:23 frals: alright, thanks Jun 04 10:20:50 sECuRE: I just used .ini files :D Jun 04 10:21:01 anyhow, shower time. Jun 04 10:23:05 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/04/nexus-one-gets-usb-host-driver-from-a-dude-with-an-oscilloscope/ Jun 04 10:25:37 dmj726_devel: ping Jun 04 10:26:23 dmj726_devel: re autoconf and finding gst-camerabin, the only thing I can suggest is to take a look at the mbarcode Makefile, etc. Jun 04 10:40:26 Bwahaha Jun 04 10:41:49 Mh, is there some way of initiating an update of the RSS widget from the CLI? Jun 04 10:43:02 sup all Jun 04 10:51:16 apt-get update && apt-get install rss widget ? Jun 04 10:59:37 wow Jun 04 10:59:40 movement in the OVI store Jun 04 11:00:14 its like nokia is releasing it's bowels into the store.... Maemo alarm, converter, calculator and freecell Jun 04 11:00:25 \o/ Jun 04 11:00:49 ooo and it no longer says beta... shocker Jun 04 11:01:09 Wow - Beta is off - Now we probs have to pay for shit. Jun 04 11:01:26 Still shows beta for me? Jun 04 11:01:44 X-Fade: you are not special enough :P - on a pc or the n900? Jun 04 11:01:49 on a pc - it aint there for me Jun 04 11:01:55 w00t Jun 04 11:01:56 noobmonk3y: On device. Jun 04 11:02:02 * noobmonk3y checks on the device Jun 04 11:02:05 let me check Jun 04 11:02:05 yup still beta Jun 04 11:02:19 Weird ;) Jun 04 11:02:27 HtheB: yes? Jun 04 11:02:34 hehe :) - oh well, as i said, nothing to shout about yet Jun 04 11:02:37 gotta install new ovi store Jun 04 11:02:39 good to see new content though Jun 04 11:02:42 be it rubbish or not Jun 04 11:02:46 oh, there are some new stuff on ovi store Jun 04 11:02:46 The templates haven't propagated down to the mobile site? Jun 04 11:02:54 noobmonk3y: Also don't see new content on device? Jun 04 11:02:55 * noobmonk3y checks updates Jun 04 11:03:02 X-Fade: nope neither do i Jun 04 11:03:09 lame ;) Jun 04 11:03:21 lol Jun 04 11:03:22 X-Fade: i think you just described Ovi in one word.... :) Jun 04 11:03:29 X-Fade: Sneak Preview - Not for daily use on your phone. Jun 04 11:03:30 i said w00t because of ovi store Jun 04 11:03:34 * frals thinks noobmonk3y forgot to pick "N900" as phone Jun 04 11:03:37 I see Jun 04 11:03:40 not to poke you Jun 04 11:03:40 :p Jun 04 11:03:40 haha Jun 04 11:03:52 w00t_: ..... Are you related to the ovi store? long long hallf-brother twice removed? Jun 04 11:05:22 * noobmonk3y picks frals nose Jun 04 11:05:26 * frals trouts noobmonk3y Jun 04 11:05:38 frals: - Your mobile: Nokia N900 (Change) Jun 04 11:05:40 still havent fixed that gps bug i take it? *prepares for down vote* Jun 04 11:05:53 frals: lols - :) - was waiting for buggy reporty Jun 04 11:06:05 i reported it to you didnt i? ;) Jun 04 11:06:20 i still need to downote fmms... as i cannay be assed to remember what settings i need to enter lols Jun 04 11:06:23 frals: who what where? meh Jun 04 11:06:36 :D Jun 04 11:06:39 GAN900: Ping, wake up you slacker ;) Jun 04 11:06:43 * noobmonk3y has a memory the size of a goldfish... with a shorter time span Jun 04 11:06:46 noobmonk3y what oprator are you on again? Jun 04 11:06:51 voda uk Jun 04 11:06:53 hmm Jun 04 11:07:07 frals: http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/c/ui/view/de.po - I'm a bit worried about those last three entries Jun 04 11:07:15 vodkaphone Jun 04 11:07:37 Scelt: heh, they are a tad long ye... wonder how that looks on device Jun 04 11:07:51 frals: yeah :P Jun 04 11:08:02 note to self; dont try to do anything on device while launching ham :( Jun 04 11:08:06 btw frals almost finished pirate UK translation Jun 04 11:08:15 lol Jun 04 11:08:34 * noobmonk3y slaps MohammadAG with w00t_ Jun 04 11:08:39 what lang code is that? en_PR? ;D Jun 04 11:08:47 moo Jun 04 11:09:00 frals: en_YARR Jun 04 11:09:20 frals: No, pr_US or pr_GB :) Jun 04 11:09:38 :D Jun 04 11:09:57 the US only has modern-day geeky pirates Jun 04 11:10:04 en_GEEK Jun 04 11:10:06 "i be copyin' yer DVD' Jun 04 11:12:18 lols Jun 04 11:12:23 X-Fade: lo, 36min for accepting a garage project. Dude, that's record I guess Jun 04 11:12:32 * HtheB throws stinkbomb in #maemo Jun 04 11:12:47 :) Jun 04 11:12:48 noobmonk3y: does the phone actually detect your internet settings correctly with voda sim? Jun 04 11:12:56 doesnt detect anything :( Jun 04 11:12:59 DocScrutinizer: Nah, multiple people are watching that. tekojo is fast :) Jun 04 11:12:59 all blank fields Jun 04 11:13:06 * MohammadAG slaps scratchbox with a noobmonk3y Jun 04 11:13:08 aah Jun 04 11:13:10 * noobmonk3y giggles Jun 04 11:13:13 the freaking thing keeps resetting Jun 04 11:13:22 I need to reinstall it at each reboot :S Jun 04 11:13:31 noobmonk3y: i mean regular gprs connection stuffs, not fmms Jun 04 11:13:46 oh yeah net etc all workies fine Jun 04 11:14:17 Should it be possible to establish a video call between the n900 and a desktop empathy? Jun 04 11:14:21 DocScrutinizer: Although the bme one was me. Jun 04 11:14:38 yeah, that's the 36min one Jun 04 11:15:06 noobmonk3y: hmpf, whats the access point name for your internet stuffs in settings > internet conenctions > vodafone internet? Jun 04 11:15:43 Vodafone Internet GPRS Jun 04 11:16:12 noobmonk3y: I guess that's the connection's symbolic name Jun 04 11:16:20 * noobmonk3y blinks Jun 04 11:16:26 noobmonk3y: if you edit it, you can see a field called 'access point name' Jun 04 11:16:30 oh Jun 04 11:16:31 noobmonk3y, lesson of the day, dmesg resets at each reboot :P Jun 04 11:16:33 acces point name = internet Jun 04 11:16:39 ty Jun 04 11:16:55 * noobmonk3y thanks DocScrutinizer for being as clear as mud, but pointing me in the right direction Jun 04 11:17:06 LOL Jun 04 11:17:35 woke up today and the N900's clock was frozen, so I was kinda 3 hours late Jun 04 11:17:52 lol Mo Jun 04 11:18:05 feedservice2 is causing it to hang (facebook/twitter/ap news widgets all use it) Jun 04 11:18:14 MohammadAG: The N900 is not your life... life can go on without it..... (BLASPHEMY screamed from the hilltops!) Jun 04 11:18:16 File a bug! Jun 04 11:18:16 MohammadAG: Hmm I thought it used hardware events for that? Jun 04 11:18:20 It's fun!\ Jun 04 11:18:29 And you get valuable cash rewards! Jun 04 11:18:34 (the last may be a lie) Jun 04 11:18:41 eletrtric beams games from ovi store is pretty funny Jun 04 11:18:43 err, no ^ Jun 04 11:18:49 lol Jun 04 11:19:05 frals: when it works, sometimes stuff needs to be positioned right outside the screen by about 1mm lol Jun 04 11:19:09 MohammadAG: the world was 3h too early ;-D Jun 04 11:19:11 frals: rip off of old game. But yeah. Jun 04 11:19:13 X-Fade, it does, but when I looked at the clock I said I could sleep another 3 hours or so Jun 04 11:19:32 MohammadAG: Ah yeah, it needs to redraw on wakeup. Jun 04 11:19:47 MohammadAG: And if it is swapping heavily it shows the old value for a long time. Jun 04 11:19:59 X-Fade, which it didn't, after 5 minutes of waiting for xterm to open CPU load was 10+ Jun 04 11:20:09 and memory was 1MB Jun 04 11:20:24 (free memory ^) Jun 04 11:20:27 Yeah, I see the swapping unresponsiveness too. Jun 04 11:20:39 Everything seems to block then. Jun 04 11:20:42 man ulimits Jun 04 11:21:02 oom* Jun 04 11:21:11 I wanted to turn swap off, but I thought the results wouldn't be all that great Jun 04 11:21:18 DocScrutinizer: you wouldn't believe how fast some people request upload rights after they get a garage project :) Jun 04 11:21:31 even mce couldn't detect a power button hold, I had to take out the battery Jun 04 11:21:31 I would. Jun 04 11:21:42 although halt in terminal would've been equally fun Jun 04 11:22:15 tekojo: is that a friendly hint & pushing, or what? Jun 04 11:22:38 no, just that you were wondering about garage project acceptance speed :) Jun 04 11:22:49 DocScrutinizer, *defines engadget* http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/04/nexus-one-gets-usb-host-driver-from-a-dude-with-an-oscilloscope/ Jun 04 11:22:50 aah, yes Jun 04 11:23:03 MohammadAG: seen that. blah Jun 04 11:23:14 Nokia N900 gets USB host driver from a dude with a mugwarmer Jun 04 11:23:23 ^ interesting title eh Jun 04 11:23:27 DocScrutinizer: That guy just wants to show off he has a scope ;) Jun 04 11:23:28 :) Jun 04 11:23:46 MohammadAG: n900 gets usb host from two guys with a javelin and a M-134 ;-P Jun 04 11:24:07 "I made N900 an USB Host, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" Jun 04 11:24:42 I have a scope up in the attic somewhere - I do however not flaunt it. Jun 04 11:24:49 DocScrutinizer, I switched to Stingers :P Jun 04 11:25:11 * noobmonk3y has gone for lunch Jun 04 11:25:29 * MohammadAG eats noobmonk3y's lunch before he even reaches it Jun 04 11:25:34 * DocScrutinizer wonders how to answer that... Jun 04 11:25:35 "N900 gets USB Host, doesnt need an oscilloscope to do it" Jun 04 11:25:50 * frals trouts noobmonk3y, have a nice meal! Jun 04 11:26:03 * noobmonk3y is going to go sit on the beach and watch trout go by........ Jun 04 11:26:09 :D Jun 04 11:28:19 well that killed the conversation Jun 04 11:28:28 * MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer, waiting for an answer Jun 04 11:28:33 * noobmonk3y throws a trout at MohammadAG Jun 04 11:28:54 I thought you were supposed to be out Jun 04 11:29:23 MohammadAG: You don't have to go away from the PC to order a Pizza? Jun 04 11:29:23 noobmonk3y: I'm already sitting by the beach, I love the view here. :) Jun 04 11:29:32 Has the twitter widget been pulled from ovi store? Jun 04 11:29:47 Unfortunately, your country is not currently supported. <-- racists! Jun 04 11:29:58 phellarv, he isn't the pizza kind Jun 04 11:30:03 * RST38h laughs diabolically Jun 04 11:30:05 MohammadAG: Did you pay the license fee? Jun 04 11:30:07 range, yes, for a good reason Jun 04 11:30:12 see above Jun 04 11:30:16 Go for a proxy! Jun 04 11:30:33 NEVAR Jun 04 11:30:45 (A instead of an E was intentional) Jun 04 11:30:55 MohammadAG: Ah. Jun 04 11:31:03 Scrolled back but didn't see that. Jun 04 11:31:05 Thanks. Jun 04 11:31:05 MohammadAG: digging my arms chamber... "there's been that backpack, with the dial from 5kT..25kT! Darn... where it's gone..." Jun 04 11:31:30 I think I have it though Jun 04 11:31:31 Hi MohammadAG :) Jun 04 11:31:34 if you want it non the less Jun 04 11:31:48 hi Jun 04 11:31:56 MohammadAG: Ummm. No, I think I reactivate the mauku one, then :) Jun 04 11:33:20 * phellarv wants to exchange the desktop with screen session, with irssi and mutt in - Plus some scripts for convenience. Jun 04 11:33:45 Full-blown CLI phone - that would be awesome Jun 04 11:34:43 dsmetool -k hildon-desktop Jun 04 11:36:02 $ dial 1-555-1234566 && speak "Hello, there" Jun 04 11:36:07 MohammadAG: aah... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/TZ_ELOKA.svg Jun 04 11:38:24 mgedmin: Awesome - I could script my conversations with my wife. "Blah Blah Blah" - "Yes, dear" Jun 04 11:49:06 phellarv: You need a soundboard Jun 04 11:49:25 phellarv: A screen with a dozen bubbles that you press to generate a prerecorded clip Jun 04 11:49:48 So - you tap 'Hello' - and it says 'Hello'. Jun 04 11:50:15 You slide your finger up from hello a bit, and release - and it says it in a slightly higher tone. Jun 04 11:50:25 To the right - and slightly faster Jun 04 11:50:32 Aha - Jean Michel Jarre style phonecall. Jun 04 11:50:57 MohammadAG: found it! ADM H-912 here a picture (taken in my backyard): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/SADM(cropped).jpg Jun 04 11:53:03 DocScrutinizer: The non-cropped version of that picture contained your T-90? Jun 04 11:55:31 DocScrutinizer, err, you keep that in your backyard? Jun 04 11:57:40 MohammadAG: nah, just took it out of the arms chamber to shoot the pic. Jun 04 11:58:27 MohammadAG: If I leave it in the yard, neighbour children play with it. I don't like that :-P Jun 04 11:58:57 lol Jun 04 11:59:46 btw it's actually called Mk-54 Jun 04 12:01:02 hello! Does anybody know, how to fix G_IS_OBJECT warnings when using FileChooserDIalog? Jun 04 12:02:55 X-Fade, what? Jun 04 12:09:56 MohammadAG: darn, forgot to stash it away. 30 minutes in my backyard, with the neighbour kids around: http://marvell.index.hu/imgfrm/0/7/2/3/BIG_0002680723.jpg Jun 04 12:11:08 mmmm, bacon Jun 04 12:11:13 * lardman comments on lunch Jun 04 12:11:20 coffee Jun 04 12:11:21 where did you get screen for n810? Jun 04 12:12:27 DocScrutinizer: what's that - a stupidly high power dummy load? Jun 04 12:12:31 DocScrutinizer, hm channel Jun 04 12:12:36 DocScrutinizer, I also expected something like this http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nuke-needs-to-be-bigger.jpg Jun 04 12:15:05 SpeedEvil: Mk-54 10T..1kT TNT equiv. adjustable. Designed for one man operation, to be carried as a backpack Jun 04 12:15:13 ah Jun 04 12:15:38 I only had the larger one. Jun 04 12:15:43 So I diddn't recognise. Jun 04 12:16:18 I culdn't find the stash space ib my chamber to get one of those Jun 04 12:17:29 weapons are for kids Jun 04 12:18:20 grown-ups playing with weapons, that's just silly. Jun 04 12:19:04 * MohammadAG drops a nuke on Shapeshifter Jun 04 12:19:25 MohammadAG: here, have a penny, kid. Jun 04 12:19:55 * MohammadAG buys an AC-130 Jun 04 12:20:23 Thanks Shapeshifter, I was a penny short from its full price Jun 04 12:20:32 * MohammadAG shoots Shapeshifter from above Jun 04 12:20:39 MohammadAG: eat your vegetables. Jun 04 12:20:56 no shooting during lunch. Jun 04 12:21:05 Shapeshifter, what difference would it make Jun 04 12:21:21 MohammadAG: vegetables are good for you Jun 04 12:23:51 well, I was able to get rid of some 250kG of old TNT which eaten up quite some space in my chamber, and traded it in for this nice Mk-54, during FEATHER test of operation nougat Jun 04 12:24:43 is a G eight grams? Jun 04 12:25:34 sorry, Kg of course Jun 04 12:25:59 kg Jun 04 12:26:09 ^ Jun 04 12:27:04 lol Lynoure sorry had already gone Jun 04 12:27:09 was a lovely lunch :) Jun 04 12:28:12 (sorry, i've just been raging against wget's use of an uppercase K, as in "20.1K/s") Jun 04 12:28:23 kelvins per second? Jun 04 12:28:41 Hawt. Jun 04 12:28:48 trouts? Jun 04 12:29:10 since it doesn't specify b or B, and uses and uppercase K, i presume it's tracking Kelvin per Second Jun 04 12:30:25 well, SI is upper case for units >1, and lower case for units <1 Jun 04 12:30:27 gah, flaky, flaky connection Jun 04 12:30:51 DocScrutinizer: except for k... Jun 04 12:30:52 so K,M, G, T, but m, u, p Jun 04 12:30:59 (well, and da and h) Jun 04 12:31:35 that's not SI I suppose Jun 04 12:31:55 i think they may be recognised bit deprecated or something Jun 04 12:31:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefixes#List_of_SI_prefixes Jun 04 12:32:11 seriously though, anyone know if wget is measuring things in bits or bytes? Jun 04 12:32:20 (or kelvin) Jun 04 12:32:31 bytes most probably Jun 04 12:32:43 WTF, actually k instead of K :-S Jun 04 12:33:10 actually, kelvins are probably the reason for that Jun 04 12:33:23 not that that makes any great deal of sense, since mm is allowed Jun 04 12:34:09 k, I stand corrected. Thanks BCMM for pointing me at it Jun 04 12:34:18 i was building my gender bender Jun 04 12:34:24 and was about to solder screen together Jun 04 12:34:30 you could also theoretically have TT Jun 04 12:34:35 and i realised it's made out of alluminium Jun 04 12:34:37 not copper Jun 04 12:34:40 but you'd probably need some stars or something Jun 04 12:35:23 DocScrutinizer, got 5-10 minutes or so? Jun 04 12:35:41 jacekowski: dunno the english term. Use a Aderendhuelse or Hohlniet Jun 04 12:36:15 jacekowski: ...or a proper solder free connector for crimp mounting Jun 04 12:36:21 dagnamit :/ Jun 04 12:36:55 hi Jun 04 12:37:14 DocScrutinizer: well, i already soldered data cables and put heatshrink on it Jun 04 12:37:19 is it possible to do video streaming on maemo sdk ? Jun 04 12:37:28 DocScrutinizer: so i would have to desolder it and do it again Jun 04 12:37:30 Anyone know if it's possible to get the .desktop file associated with an osso plugin for the control panel app? Jun 04 12:38:53 jacekowski: pragmatic solution: use a short piece of stranded wire, and wind it with the shielding Jun 04 12:39:54 then tighten the whole mesh with some plastic clip or steel wire Jun 04 12:40:08 it won't give me mechanical strenght Jun 04 12:40:43 I cheat. Jun 04 12:41:06 You get mechanical strenght by placing the wires parallel, and binding tightly with string or tape. Jun 04 12:41:20 It's not as neat - but works fine. Jun 04 12:46:58 Okay, I'm going to have to put my thinking cap on, I really hope this is actually possible :( Jun 04 12:49:07 any of you guys tried to repack installed files back into deb? I painfully downloaded some nice tools from OVI store which took me awhile, I don't intend to go back to OVI store and follow the same process after upgrading to PR1.2 Jun 04 12:49:44 Downlaoding from Ovi store is a pain? Jun 04 12:49:49 Do you use dial up with your N900? :P Jun 04 12:50:07 what ? Jun 04 12:50:09 dialup ? Jun 04 12:50:33 psycho_oreos: hmm ovi store don't use .deb files ? Jun 04 12:50:45 if they use it you can find the cache in your /var/cache/apt Jun 04 12:50:46 maybe Jun 04 12:51:04 no, I meant in a way that when you install the packages, you had to wait for a brief moment for each applications to be installed.. and several minutes after that usually Jun 04 12:51:05 err /var/cache/apt/archives Jun 04 12:51:05 E0x: hidden Jun 04 12:51:08 quite sure you shouldnt be doing that for ovi content as it should be some kind of contentprotection on it, afaiu Jun 04 12:51:15 alterego: yup, dialup using a RJ11 to I2C converter Jun 04 12:51:31 oh Jun 04 12:51:38 i just was thinking in a debian way... Jun 04 12:51:38 E0x, they're deb packages, and they are listed as user/hidden Jun 04 12:51:39 crashanddie: :D Jun 04 12:51:56 alas I have tried looking there as well, no luck Jun 04 12:51:57 I now have internet in every hotel I go to. Jun 04 12:52:45 crashanddie: I've got a carrier pidgeon that I bribe with the false hope I'll buy it an N900 to send/recv my packets :) Jun 04 12:53:35 my geneder bender is finished Jun 04 12:55:23 jacekowski: anything special about it? I bought a nice one from Maplin for my N8x0's :) Jun 04 12:57:05 alterego: are you serious? Jun 04 12:57:21 jacekowski: erm, yeah... Jun 04 12:57:27 alterego: how much you paid? Jun 04 12:57:40 About 4 quid Jun 04 12:57:46 fuck Jun 04 12:57:52 i paid 5 quid for my cables Jun 04 12:57:57 Hahah, Jun 04 12:58:08 +time + heatshrinks Jun 04 12:58:11 What about the solder? :D Jun 04 12:58:13 Hahah, Jun 04 12:59:02 jacekowski: did you not ever use one with an N800 or N810? Jun 04 12:59:18 Does video work with knots2 through ssh tunnel? Jun 04 12:59:18 no Jun 04 12:59:19 Actually, they're ~8 quid it seems ... Jun 04 12:59:23 http://www.maplin.co.uk/searchtemplate.asp?criteria=USB%20SEX%20CHANGER Jun 04 12:59:26 i never had n9x0 Jun 04 12:59:29 n8x0 Jun 04 12:59:29 jacekowski: that was fast Jun 04 12:59:45 it was for alterego not for you Jun 04 12:59:46 Dima202: he was talking to me, Jun 04 12:59:56 lol ;) Jun 04 12:59:59 They're nice and neat, Jun 04 13:00:10 The gender benders Jun 04 13:01:05 jacekowski: just like this one .. For 1.48 GBP http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-F-Female-Gender-Changer-Adaptor-Coupler-AF-/280505494215?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL&hash=item414f6e2ac7 Jun 04 13:01:15 Does it make any sense to run knots 2 through ssh tunnel? Jun 04 13:01:27 Dima202: I don't know, how paranoid are you? :D Jun 04 13:01:40 1-10 i'd say a 5 Jun 04 13:01:42 Dima202: also, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. Jun 04 13:02:00 But I also see little benifit in actually doing, just extra overhead. Jun 04 13:02:22 Dima202: but ssh is encrypted Jun 04 13:02:31 Dima202: and you will get a lot of overhead because of that Jun 04 13:02:50 not much Jun 04 13:02:59 ssh will go at ~2M/s here over wifi Jun 04 13:03:05 SpeedEvil: sure, still pointless :P Jun 04 13:03:06 yeah and for some reason video doesn't work through tunneling .. I'm not too worried though Jun 04 13:05:13 Or 30% CPU for 1.5M/s Jun 04 13:05:15 This is mildly annoying. Jun 04 13:05:33 Oh, it was a typo, silly me. Jun 04 13:07:39 X-Fade, repong? Jun 04 13:13:52 hi! Jun 04 13:13:57 X-Fade, Ping? Jun 04 13:20:55 X-Fade: is busy eating bannanas.... its a favourite past time of his ;) lol Jun 04 13:21:18 says mr monkeyboy! Jun 04 13:21:32 guess who was banned, yay! Jun 04 13:21:44 they finally banned you? bout time! Jun 04 13:21:58 lol frals Jun 04 13:22:04 MohammadAG: banned from life? Jun 04 13:22:05 /kickban frals Jun 04 13:22:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54915 Jun 04 13:23:02 that bugged me that did :( Jun 04 13:23:07 had a long chat with him over msg last night Jun 04 13:23:16 and he finally calmed down, backed off then got kicked Jun 04 13:23:49 What is a decent cpu for knots2? My current core2duo t7600 is getting pounded Jun 04 13:23:50 awesome, off-topic threads no longer showing in "active topics"! Jun 04 13:23:54 everyone has the odd rant, he did over step the line, just he finally saw the light and calmed down :( Jun 04 13:24:17 Wish they would release the gpu decoding for knots2 soon Jun 04 13:24:39 define pounded Dima202 Jun 04 13:24:50 100% cpu usage Jun 04 13:25:05 And video isn't that great sometimes freezes or audio goes out of sync Jun 04 13:25:05 transcoding what source? res? codec? Jun 04 13:25:11 noobmonk3y, he was banned before Jun 04 13:25:18 frals: http://alterego.metapath.org/source/osso-plugin-exec-loader.c Jun 04 13:25:20 before? Jun 04 13:25:21 Dima202: core i5 661 Jun 04 13:25:23 awesome, off-topic threads no longer showing in "active topics"! Jun 04 13:25:23 yep Jun 04 13:25:32 I wanted to thank Reggie but... no thanks button Jun 04 13:25:33 frals: I'm working on something a bit nicer, but that by itself is nice and flexible. Jun 04 13:25:43 noobmonk3y, yes, he was banned for two days I think Jun 04 13:25:43 SwedeMike is right, nm Jun 04 13:25:45 Dima202: when doing mencoder it's twice the speed as a 6600 Jun 04 13:25:47 or 24h, not sure Jun 04 13:25:47 meh.... Jun 04 13:26:04 .mkv like 480p i would guess? Jun 04 13:26:35 mm that isnt much work to decode Jun 04 13:26:40 SwedeMike: yeah those new core i5 i7 are sick Jun 04 13:26:40 Dima202: I run tablet-encode (which I guess does the same thing), and I had an E6600 before, and now a i5-661, and the 661 is approx twice the speed, so vlc should be the same. Jun 04 13:26:42 noobmonk3y, he was given many many chances Jun 04 13:26:51 fairymuff Jun 04 13:27:21 Dima202: so first it has turbo-something to 3.33GHz, and then it's faster per GHz, so compared to 2.4ghz c2d it's approx 2x Jun 04 13:27:50 I think I will be going with i7 260 D0 stepping to get 4+ghz Jun 04 13:27:54 920* Jun 04 13:27:55 monkeyiq, he's a troll. :) Jun 04 13:28:49 My friend has c0 stepping we coulg get it only to 3.6ghz Jun 04 13:30:07 Dima202, how about that new unlocked one? Jun 04 13:30:39 which one? Jun 04 13:30:50 the $999? Jun 04 13:31:11 980x? Jun 04 13:32:04 oh i see a cheaper one but for me 920 is plenty if I can get it to 4+ghz it will be insane Jun 04 13:34:26 Dima202: why do you need 4 cores? Jun 04 13:34:54 Not Found Jun 04 13:34:54 The requested URL /news/planet-maemo/ was not found on this server. Jun 04 13:34:55 fail? Jun 04 13:34:58 Dima202: i5 needs less power and already does 3.33GHz, lower TDP, should be possible to overlock easier. Jun 04 13:35:49 hm Jun 04 13:35:50 nvm Jun 04 13:35:56 "www." failed Jun 04 13:36:24 SwedeMike: I never even considered an i5 before you mentioned it.. Jun 04 13:36:27 Dima202: i7 920 is fairly expensive as well, and you need more expensive motherboard Jun 04 13:36:45 and also you need 3x memory sticks to get full memory performance Jun 04 13:37:00 i5 doesn't support tripple memory bandwith? Jun 04 13:37:40 correct. Jun 04 13:38:38 SwedeMike: so how far have you overclocked your i5? Jun 04 13:40:28 Dima202: I don't do overclocking. Jun 04 13:40:35 Dima202: I prefer stability. Jun 04 13:40:52 ok, that's fine Jun 04 13:41:11 is there a way to save the 'conversations' somewhere else? because my memory seems to be full, and I don't feel like I want to delete something Jun 04 13:48:52 Dima202, 875k Jun 04 13:49:23 SwedeMike, virtualization. Jun 04 13:50:34 biertie, unlike Symbian bluetooth messages aren't stored in "conversations" Jun 04 13:50:57 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ is what you want to backup though Jun 04 13:51:07 MohammadAG: yeah, I meant 'jabber' or something Jun 04 13:51:12 doesn't really matter Jun 04 13:51:17 my goals stays the same :) Jun 04 13:52:08 GAN900: VT-x ? all core i3, i5 and i7 have that according to wikipedia. Jun 04 13:52:12 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ is what you want to backup though <-- Jun 04 13:52:53 God, is it too much to ask ... Jun 04 13:53:04 Stskeeps, either this one http://www.unibike.pl/xenon.html or this one http://www.unibike.pl/zethos.html Jun 04 13:53:11 Stskeeps, and I still want that picture Jun 04 13:53:14 SwedeMike, virtualization. Jun 04 13:53:17 Ooo, ide a.. Jun 04 13:53:26 GAN900: please elaborate. Jun 04 13:53:31 GAN900: I'd get the i7 920 because while it's not unlocked and maybe a bit harder to o/c then 875k it's still do-able and cheaper.. Other then 300 to 400 mhz clock rate increase per core i don't really see the point of wasting extra $100 I can spend elsewhere Jun 04 13:53:53 Some of them don't have hyperthreading either Jun 04 13:54:17 Dima202, $350 vs $300 according to my numbers Jun 04 13:54:21 This will be a nice hack if it works .. Jun 04 13:54:22 yeah hyperthreading is waht makes intel intel Jun 04 13:54:25 And by nice, I mean awfuyl .. Jun 04 13:54:34 and no need to get a super-expensive motherboard Jun 04 13:54:55 You save your money on the mobo with the Lynnfield chips Jun 04 13:55:27 GAN900: are you always this incoherent? I recommended i5 and asked why he wanted i7, and you said "virtualization" twice. Jun 04 13:55:52 Hahah, that's pretty coherent :P Jun 04 13:56:33 SwedeMike, um, yeah, OK. Jun 04 13:56:41 Anyone know if it's possible to get the currently processing gobject signal? Jun 04 13:56:55 they both have virtualization only diff is -2 cores nd socket Jun 04 13:57:02 SwedeMike, ah, I see. Jun 04 13:57:18 SwedeMike, blame the godawful placement of the N900's up and return leys Jun 04 13:57:26 s/leys/keys Jun 04 13:57:38 SwedeMike, don't believe that's true Jun 04 13:57:38 GAN900: ok. Jun 04 13:57:45 Was what I intended to send. Jun 04 13:57:54 GAN900: belive what is true? that i5 has VT-x? Jun 04 13:58:10 * GAN900 is at work Jun 04 13:58:29 Not all models of each grade have virtualization. Jun 04 13:58:34 http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43553 says that 661 has VT-x Jun 04 14:03:51 I'm also considering amd because they have great upgrade support Jun 04 14:04:09 no hyperthreading though Jun 04 14:09:33 why anybody want hardware vt? Jun 04 14:09:47 unless you need 64bit guest there is no reall need for that Jun 04 14:21:34 jacekowski: afaik it's more efficient compared to completely sw virtualization Jun 04 14:22:19 it's not software virtualisation Jun 04 14:22:32 it's done in hardware, just differently Jun 04 14:24:04 jacekowski: so what hw function are you referring to now? Jun 04 14:26:23 besides, what are you using to virtualise your stuff? Jun 04 14:26:56 but fact is that virtualisation is using ring2 that's unused to run guests Jun 04 14:29:35 is there a virtualisation system that can run on a non-vt capable cpu which can stand comparison to e.g. kvm on a vt capable machine? Jun 04 14:29:51 bfree: virtualbox is pretty close Jun 04 14:30:07 bfree: kvm is quite slow Jun 04 14:30:22 bfree: mostly because it's hardware emulation is slow Jun 04 14:31:06 jacekowski: istr kvm without hwvirt uses qemu. and qemu is pretty terrible at emulating x86. Jun 04 14:32:43 Disconnect: virtualbox without vt? never heard anyone go from it to kvm and not be delighted at how much faster kvm is Jun 04 14:33:18 virtualbox hasn't needed/used vt until the most recent versions anyway. also, commercial version, not open source version. Jun 04 14:33:25 Hello, anyone from Finland and using roadrunner app ? Jun 04 14:33:36 (for that matter, i'm not sure it uses vt at all on osx still.) Jun 04 14:34:27 Disconnect: eh virtualbox could use vt when I last used it before kvm went mainline, maybe 2 years ago Jun 04 14:34:36 uhm Jun 04 14:35:21 no Jun 04 14:35:30 virtual box can't use vt Jun 04 14:36:12 jacekowski: calling kvm slow ... I can't agree with that and would like to see some hard facts to back that up as it is very different to my experiences Jun 04 14:36:15 SwedeMike: biggest part performance is lost on hardware emulation/virtualisation Jun 04 14:36:50 jacekowski: and VT-x isn't that? Jun 04 14:36:51 jacekowski: If you are right then I guess they removed the option then after Sun took it over. it certainly used to use it Jun 04 14:38:14 virtualbox can use it but it was added/supported around 1.6 or so. (2008) looking at the changelogs and such. Jun 04 14:39:39 and "The Linux kernel 2.6.20 (February 2007) included the first version of KVM." so.. not before kvm went mainline ;) Jun 04 14:40:48 bfree: they have hardware vt for 64bit guests, Jun 04 14:40:52 bfree: but that's all Jun 04 14:40:53 hmm, guess I'm mixing something up timing wise Jun 04 14:41:26 and there is lot of different types of virtualisation/emulation Jun 04 14:41:58 and virtualbox is about as fast as it gets w/o hw. so if that doesn't count as "standing comparison" then you're just asking how to make your ppro as fast as a quad xeon :) Jun 04 14:42:18 bfree: he was saying kvm without hwvirt is slow. and he's totally right.. Jun 04 14:42:33 no i wasn't Jun 04 14:42:41 kvm depends on hvirt Jun 04 14:42:58 but thing is that you need to emulate hardware that guest is using Jun 04 14:43:01 * Disconnect has attempted to boot bare-bones linux images on 12-core 2.3ghz boxes w/ hwvirt disabled. after 20 minutes of "where is my box" I got a console. it was just getting to grub.. Jun 04 14:43:02 and that's slowest part Jun 04 14:43:19 jacekowski: must have misread you. sorry Jun 04 14:43:29 Disconnect: that was emulation Jun 04 14:43:34 Disconnect: and it's not that slow Jun 04 14:43:44 Disconnect: qemu emulation is only 10x slower than native Jun 04 14:43:59 jacekowski: tried it recently? this was less than a year ago (f'ing dell servers ship with hwvirt disabled in the bios) Jun 04 14:44:31 Disconnect: then you have virtualisation running in userland that's slow because there is no help from hardware whasover and it's really tricky to run Jun 04 14:44:48 and then you have virtualisation that run on almost everything using ring2 Jun 04 14:45:17 and that's what virtual box is using Jun 04 14:45:19 and vmware Jun 04 14:45:21 and everything Jun 04 14:45:43 and then you have virtualisation using vt-x/pacifica/hardware virtualisation Jun 04 14:45:58 it was exactly as i described above - "kvm without hwvirt". as in, disable it in bios, then run kvm as usual. its significantly slower than 10x. (also, x64 guest. that might have a lot to do with the speed difference between 10x and 'omgwtf') Jun 04 14:46:10 Disconnect: then you don't have kvm Jun 04 14:46:14 Disconnect: kvm is disabled Jun 04 14:46:25 Disconnect: and qemu failsover to software emulation Jun 04 14:46:26 i realize at that point hte kvm module is simply providing an interface to qemu but it is still there and active. and the executable 'kvm' is running. etc. Jun 04 14:46:42 syncevolution is just as broken as anything SyncML-based... Jun 04 14:46:55 * Treibholz wants syncintelligentdesing Jun 04 14:47:07 Disconnect: there is no fail over to what all other virtualisation solutions are duing Jun 04 14:47:16 Disconnect: which is running virtualised code in ring2 Jun 04 14:47:36 Disconnect: only thing that full hardware assisted virtualisation is giving is iommu Jun 04 14:47:40 jacekowski: at least as of a few years ago, vmware could fail over to full-virt. Jun 04 14:48:03 thats where all those nested-vmware videos came from. not that its useful particularly. Jun 04 14:48:20 Disconnect: that's ring2 virtualisation Jun 04 14:48:37 ring2 doesn't nest. Jun 04 14:48:57 in any case. was there a point to this discussion? I came in late.. Jun 04 14:49:03 i don't know Jun 04 14:58:31 * GAN900 wonders if Peter actually meant Thursday sometime in 2011 Jun 04 15:01:05 ol'a GAN900 Jun 04 15:01:58 hello! Where would be the appropriate place to ask some questions about freemantle on the n900? Jun 04 15:02:17 lol Jun 04 15:02:19 tmartins_: here :P depending on what you are asking Jun 04 15:02:22 here ?xD Jun 04 15:02:47 Nice! Is there anyone having trouble streaming media with the default media player when there are spaces on the url?/ Jun 04 15:02:55 or on tmo, when the question is stupid enough to qualify ;-P Jun 04 15:03:10 not tried :( Jun 04 15:03:13 Ok, if it's stupid enough, please tell me :D Jun 04 15:03:21 lol not a tupid q :P Jun 04 15:03:25 just not tried :P Jun 04 15:03:35 and excuse mr grumpy - he hasnt been fed his sugar today :P Jun 04 15:03:39 you can't spell letters. Jun 04 15:03:57 Well, after the pr1.2 upgrade, I'm getting an "No Connection to Server" error every time there's a space on the url Jun 04 15:04:12 noobmonk3y: how did you know? Jun 04 15:04:16 :) Jun 04 15:04:19 actually it's true Jun 04 15:04:24 tmartins_: you probably don't want spaces in your urls then. Jun 04 15:04:35 diabetic? Jun 04 15:04:44 or just sugar addict? Jun 04 15:04:46 dsf: Yeah, I suppose I don't... The thing is, It's not always an option Jun 04 15:04:53 nah, just ran out of shugar for my caffee latte Jun 04 15:06:53 tmartins_: though not known yet here, that sounds like Nokia. I remeber a similar issue on 1.0.1 with special chars in bookmark *names* Jun 04 15:08:03 noobmonk3y, that's like frals running out of trouts Jun 04 15:08:07 tmartins_: check bugtracker, file a new ticket if there's none yet Jun 04 15:08:17 Yeah, well, to be honest, I'm streaming from my NAS running a lighthttpd... I'm still trying to figure out if that's an lighthttpd issue or a maemo issue... Other media players can stream it just fine though, including KMPlayer Jun 04 15:08:47 It would be nice if I could find a publicly accessible mp3 file with spaces on names... Jun 04 15:09:05 you want to dry one off our cdn? :P Jun 04 15:09:19 hard enough a task for a friday afternoon Jun 04 15:10:55 lol! Jun 04 15:11:07 * noobmonk3y is on a very random telecom Jun 04 15:11:16 can only hear bits of the person on the other end Jun 04 15:13:46 Yeah, I found something... It sounds a bit odd though :S Jun 04 15:14:07 Can anyone please be so kind to try to open this url on a pr1.2 media player? http://tonycuffe.com/mp3/tail%20toddle.mp3 Jun 04 15:15:20 Be warned though, it's some kind of odd Irish/celtic music... :P Jun 04 15:16:02 what's the default lock code for the n900? Jun 04 15:16:11 the lock device one Jun 04 15:16:14 12345 Jun 04 15:16:16 b-man: thanks Jun 04 15:16:24 np :) Jun 04 15:16:47 * noobmonk3y blinks Jun 04 15:16:57 sun is shining and aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh to telecons Jun 04 15:17:15 ÂĴseen Texrat Jun 04 15:17:17 meh Jun 04 15:17:19 ~seen texrat Jun 04 15:17:22 texrat <~ad4a12f4@Maemo/community/council/Texrat> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 37d 16h 49m 59s ago, saying: 'tsg meeting tomorrow bitches'. Jun 04 15:17:27 wow Jun 04 15:17:32 long meeting Jun 04 15:19:37 XD Jun 04 15:19:53 * MohammadAG wonders why qwerty12 never comes here Jun 04 15:20:05 he use to Jun 04 15:20:17 i think he got tired of it Jun 04 15:20:45 ~seen qwerty12 Jun 04 15:20:46 qwerty12 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 182d 20h 56m 47s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. Jun 04 15:20:49 :P Jun 04 15:20:50 * frals blames MohammadAG and noobmonk3y Jun 04 15:21:00 Hopefully because he's doing well at university and got some hot girlfriend. Jun 04 15:21:01 * noobmonk3y blames frals for blaming MohammadAG Jun 04 15:21:13 roh ... again ? Jun 04 15:21:14 then he joined college and discovered girls Jun 04 15:21:19 * MohammadAG blames hildon Jun 04 15:21:37 * b-man blames noobmonk3y for blaming frals for blaming MohammadAG Jun 04 15:21:39 2.2 to be more precise Jun 04 15:21:44 * Khertan was hilighted again Jun 04 15:22:09 182d ... qwerty12 didn't come anymore on #maemo Jun 04 15:22:12 hmpf should format my laptop and make sure everything i need is on it :( Jun 04 15:22:26 Well, this really seems to be a pr1.2 issue... I'm still a bit reticent to fill a bug report, since I've tweaked my installation more than a bit... Has anyone tried that url? Jun 04 15:22:29 ~seen qole Jun 04 15:22:30 qole <~qole@Maemo/community/council/qole> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 85d 22h 46m ago, saying: 'Stskeeps, oh that's some great news!'. Jun 04 15:23:33 frals, that means you're getting rid of everything you need? Jun 04 15:23:55 means im clearing out all old junk ive installed for uni courses and then reinstalling stuff i actually need Jun 04 15:24:41 * noobmonk3y re-installs MohammadAG - aghhhhhhhhhhhh darn viruses Jun 04 15:25:23 * MohammadAG adds a Win32.trout.backdoor to frals's Windows disc Jun 04 15:25:33 lols Jun 04 15:25:52 uni? I thought you were 45 years old Jun 04 15:25:55 jk :P Jun 04 15:27:17 Morning Jun 04 15:27:39 ~trout frals Jun 04 15:27:40 * infobot slaps frals around a bit with a large trout! Jun 04 15:27:44 xDDDDDDDD Jun 04 15:28:52 anyone managed to get PAN working, as in the N900 in a server/gateway mode Jun 04 15:29:25 BT or Wi-Fi? Jun 04 15:29:34 bluetooth Jun 04 15:31:48 Uhn... little help here... How do I find which version of Media Player I'm using? Jun 04 15:32:37 for NAT there is no other way but a custom kernel, right ? Jun 04 15:36:17 bugzilla is asking me what is the version of the Media Player, but I frankly can't find it Jun 04 15:37:02 it's the version of the software release Jun 04 15:37:14 put PR1.2 or 10.2010 or whatever it is Jun 04 15:37:15 dpkg-query -l mediaplayer shows something like 1.2-18+0m5, which is as far from any available options on bugzilla as it can be Jun 04 15:37:30 about -> settings Jun 04 15:37:34 it's not the player version Jun 04 15:37:45 ahhh Jun 04 15:38:11 SpeedEvil: Got it, thanks Jun 04 15:38:15 :) Jun 04 15:39:23 Have any developers used Nokia's Remote-Device-Access to connect, install and test their N900 software? My PyQt Application FAILS the install when I use the Install-Software "Function" to load a .deb built from garage.maemo's autobuilder. Jun 04 15:41:33 i think someone demo'd it for me recently Jun 04 15:41:34 does that count? Jun 04 15:44:30 I have a tricky question on cat6k ios. Need someone to verify my findings. the command 'remote login switch' -> 'show mls rate-limit hw-detail' will show me the actual traffic being rate limited. the mappings of 'Hw ID' are the same with the mapping of 'Layer3 Rate Limiters' in the 'show mls rate-limit usage' command in enable mode. Jun 04 15:44:35 someone can confirm? Jun 04 15:44:42 ooops bad me Jun 04 15:45:40 Uhn... almost filled my bug report, just one last question... what's the URL field for exactly? Jun 04 15:47:20 I'm thinking of entering that mp3 file I found on it, but I'm not sure it that's its intended purpose Jun 04 15:48:48 tmartins_, just leave it empty, same with Alias field Jun 04 15:49:04 gotcha Jun 04 15:49:30 tmartins_, available version options is about Maemo 5 version, not about the version of a specific package Jun 04 15:49:52 oops. already answered here :) Jun 04 15:52:13 ShadowJK: have you got any new tips on how to make mugens show battery properly? Jun 04 15:52:21 Ok, I hope I got it right: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10557 Jun 04 15:52:22 Bug 10557: Media Player cannot stream through http if there are spaces in the url Jun 04 15:52:28 ah Jun 04 15:52:30 Viliny_: Reimplement BME properly. Jun 04 15:52:30 nice Jun 04 15:52:41 Viliny: Or more likely - hald-addon-bme Jun 04 15:53:04 Viliny: There are projects that will peripherally probably fix the battery in passing. Jun 04 15:53:26 It's depressing how little traffic the community forum gets. Jun 04 15:54:12 forums are a pain Jun 04 15:55:05 mailing lists ftw. can view on the web (ooh, like a forum?) -or- through any number of interfaces that suit your style.. Jun 04 15:55:16 barisione: thanks for the quick fix of contacts merger btw Jun 04 15:55:17 Viliny__: SpeedEvil jrbme.garage.maemo.org ;-) Jun 04 15:55:22 SpeedEvil: how does one do that? Jun 04 15:55:32 twouters: np :) Jun 04 15:55:37 Viliny: By attacking the problem with cod. Jun 04 15:55:42 Viliny: err - code Jun 04 15:55:45 with fish? Jun 04 15:55:53 what i hate the most about forums is that you have to cope with all the other guys avatars Jun 04 15:56:06 and IRC for rapid cluebatting of developers Jun 04 15:56:20 the source is on gitourious, right? I think I can tackle this one myself... Jun 04 15:56:23 wait, DocScrutinizer this project does the trick? Jun 04 15:56:33 Viliny: It does about half of it Jun 04 15:56:41 Viliny_: it's a required part of USB hostmode Jun 04 15:56:43 what does that mean? Jun 04 15:56:49 Viliny_: It's also not done yet Jun 04 15:56:57 ah but there is hope yet Jun 04 15:57:01 which is nice to know Jun 04 15:57:26 Viliny_: It means that after the BME reimplementatoin - someone needs to work on the stub - which is hald-addon-bme - which is what tells the rest of the stack the battery state Jun 04 15:57:28 stop bme Jun 04 15:57:40 for example - and the battery stops updating in the statusbar Jun 04 15:57:43 Can anyone honestly read that without thinking "bmezine"? Jun 04 15:58:05 It just seems more and more inevitable that bme will have to be replaced sooner rather than later Jun 04 15:58:21 rofl, bmezine Jun 04 15:58:30 Ikarus[N900] / Disconnect, -community is even worse. :P Jun 04 15:59:11 Viliny__: mugen support (like every other proper reporting of capacity to hal) will have to wait for version 2 though - if you wonder: atm we're at version 0.0.0.1 Jun 04 15:59:24 SpeedEvil: excuse me for jumping in, but usb hostmode is possible? Jun 04 15:59:27 yes Jun 04 15:59:41 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=650333 Jun 04 15:59:43 See that Jun 04 15:59:49 DocScrutinizer oh... "we" well thanks for contributing to the community with awesomeness :) Jun 04 15:59:53 also several other threads Jun 04 16:00:13 It's in progress. Jun 04 16:00:43 Whoa, I got outdated on that... I remember when it was supposed to be hardware-limited Jun 04 16:00:59 That's not quite a lie. Jun 04 16:01:17 Nothing of what any of the nokia people said is actually incorrect - if you read it right. Jun 04 16:01:24 hmmm... what's the problem? Power limitation? Jun 04 16:01:28 It's just that it wasn't saying much interesting. Jun 04 16:01:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Jun 04 16:02:25 Basically - it's looking like in several weeks - all you need is the stock USB cable, and a F-F adaptor to plug stuff in. Jun 04 16:02:26 hehe, great news! :D Jun 04 16:02:26 tmartins_: actually this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685367#post685367 is a little bit more up to date Jun 04 16:02:27 yeah, OTG is hardware limited Jun 04 16:02:47 otg? Jun 04 16:02:53 but hostmode != OTG, because it requires you to choose which mode to be in, instead of doing the dance Jun 04 16:02:53 On The Go Jun 04 16:02:59 A somewhat unrelated standard. Jun 04 16:03:22 yes, of course, hostmode != otg! That got overlooked! Jun 04 16:04:00 now all I'm missing is infrastructure mode on the wifi :) Jun 04 16:05:08 Aw damn, media player is closed-source? Jun 04 16:05:40 tmartins_: oops, this -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=696115#post696115 Jun 04 16:06:51 tmartins_: (MP) yep :-/ Jun 04 16:07:10 it seems like the media player would be getting tons of attention if it was open, and instead we have a handful of alternate video players, audio players, streamers etc Jun 04 16:07:16 and braindamaged Jun 04 16:07:33 Well, it's all cool, as I said, KMPlayer is working just fine Jun 04 16:08:15 is KMPlayer able to use the dsp-accelerated codecs? Jun 04 16:08:37 but yeah, I would attempt to fix that right now if it was open... sounds like a quick fix Jun 04 16:09:51 actually, has anybody compiled a list of software that uses the DSP? Jun 04 16:10:09 plus with open mediaplayer we could get rid of PITA#1 -> the tracker Jun 04 16:10:32 tracker is great, in theory :-p Jun 04 16:10:56 riiight... Jun 04 16:11:03 and useless crap in practice Jun 04 16:11:07 exactly Jun 04 16:11:13 tracker can be tamed Jun 04 16:11:32 I've got it behaving by editing config file Jun 04 16:11:58 does tracker fall into the "Maemo 5" package? such that updates are tied to PR releases? Jun 04 16:11:59 but MP can't be fixed to *simply* use the fs tree Jun 04 16:12:38 tracker could use a configuration GUI Jun 04 16:12:51 DocScrutinizer: cuteexplorer is almost good enough to make it work Jun 04 16:13:00 filemanager that you just click and it starts the player Jun 04 16:13:01 so you can tame tracker like you want, MP still remains fubar crap Jun 04 16:13:18 In testing now. Jun 04 16:13:20 (vote up) Jun 04 16:13:44 yeahhh. tracker has many "possibilities" but MP uses only a tiny amount of the data it records Jun 04 16:14:20 SpeedEvil: playlists is the major thing you need, then you'd be golden Jun 04 16:14:35 flailingmonkey: I don't give a shit on tracker, I KNOW where my media files are Jun 04 16:14:35 yup Jun 04 16:15:02 tracker, a useless crap? Jun 04 16:15:21 and MP simply doesn't handle the concept of file generically Jun 04 16:15:29 actually, it's a good load test Jun 04 16:15:39 yes, especially since there is no search app Jun 04 16:15:44 and a battery burner Jun 04 16:16:09 MohammadAG: if you often change files, yes. Jun 04 16:16:13 heh Jun 04 16:16:42 i actually prefer to have my media on the device scanned and stuff sorted by artist/album Jun 04 16:17:01 Any comments on missing bits of: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Video ? Jun 04 16:17:13 arachnist, or if it feels like corrupting the database Jun 04 16:17:24 err - the whole page I mean Jun 04 16:17:30 arachnist: so what? sort it as you like. you got the nice simple commands mv and mkdir for that Jun 04 16:17:58 MohammadAG: never happened to me, yet Jun 04 16:18:02 DocScrutinizer, that's not the easiest way if you have a lot of crap Jun 04 16:18:33 DocScrutinizer: that stopped being "nice" and "simple" after 5th GB of music on my device Jun 04 16:18:53 in the end, you need playlists somehow. if you were able to base it all on filesystem, maybe a folder of symlinks could act as a playlist? Jun 04 16:18:56 tss, playback of a file you just copied over to N900 also sn't exactly easy, given tracker not even noticed that fact yet Jun 04 16:19:16 DocScrutinizer; cuteexplorer Jun 04 16:19:38 SpeedEvil: yesyes, but then I have no playlists Jun 04 16:19:43 true Jun 04 16:19:54 SpeedEvil: what do you think, of making "playlists" by playing a directory of symlinks? Jun 04 16:20:14 MP is fubar, *because* it depends on tracker, which by itself is the wrong tool for the purpose Jun 04 16:20:50 flailingmonkey: insane. Jun 04 16:22:18 are you using MP to play the songs, and just selecting the songs with cuteexplorer? Jun 04 16:22:25 or another program Jun 04 16:22:53 honestly, each time I find the irreco buttons sorted in under my pictures to view, or the ringtones under my mp3 library, I feel strongly tempted to kill somebody Jun 04 16:22:59 flailingmonkey: I've just been using it to browse my podcasts directoyu Jun 04 16:23:18 You can tell it directories to exclude or include Jun 04 16:23:26 ahhh, yes that is a major problem with tracker Jun 04 16:23:29 yes, I know that Jun 04 16:23:30 It should exclude ringtones by default Jun 04 16:23:48 not my proprietary ringtones folder Jun 04 16:24:33 QT tracker "configurator" tool? might be a good project Jun 04 16:24:49 so if configured *right* the fsckng tracker would scan MyDocs/myMP3 and MyDocs/myPics *only* Jun 04 16:25:05 and then I honestly don't need it anymore Jun 04 16:25:33 tracker is the *wrong tool* for the *wrong concept* Jun 04 16:26:07 grrr contacts is pissing me off Jun 04 16:26:09 see how e.g Amarok is doing that -> "ad folder to library" Jun 04 16:26:14 DocScrutinizer: care to explain what's wrong about indexing mediafiles by the metadata they contain? Jun 04 16:26:15 i merge my contacts but they keep "unmerging" Jun 04 16:26:38 flailingmonkey, problem is, the open experiments aren't going well Jun 04 16:26:40 arachnist: I gues that's been caused by lag now :-) Jun 04 16:26:46 if there was some system-wide search, that's when having tracker makes sense Jun 04 16:27:01 Modest never gets any patches, nor h-a-m, MicroB or any of the other open projects. Jun 04 16:27:48 If people would start seriously contributing to these projects we'd have a lot more ammo to go to Nokia with to open up other stuff. Jun 04 16:28:10 flailingmonkey: exactly - except for media in mediaplayer Jun 04 16:28:44 GAN900: agree Jun 04 16:28:49 flailingmonkey: i guess you never heard of "locate" Jun 04 16:29:10 wut? HAM is FOSS? Jun 04 16:29:14 it's been claimed before, and I can't back it up, but my intuition tells me that people would contribute if they were able to see those contributions pushed out more often Jun 04 16:29:30 GAN900: I suspect many people assume more stuff is closed than is. Jun 04 16:29:35 I think many people think that everything that is tied to the PR updates isn't "open" because of that Jun 04 16:29:45 exactly flailingmonkey. Jun 04 16:29:46 yeah, what SpeedEvil said Jun 04 16:33:20 GAN900: For example - I was really surprised to find that hildon-desktop was open. Jun 04 16:33:45 And I cloned the git repo, and was on the point of trying to work out what was causing the bug I was hitting, when it went away. Jun 04 16:34:49 Modest never gets any patches, nor h-a-m, MicroB or any of the other open projects. <-- HAM's open? Jun 04 16:34:53 * MohammadAG doubts that Jun 04 16:35:03 hams open Jun 04 16:35:09 maemo.gitorious.org, look for yourself! :P Jun 04 16:35:48 SpeedEvil, I agree. Jun 04 16:36:11 PR updates should basically be only closed-source code :-\ Jun 04 16:36:16 SpeedEvil, so let's focus on education and building that community contribution that we can convince Nokia to open more products with. Jun 04 16:36:53 flailingmonkey, the nature of Nokia's development structure and certification processes makes that more complicated than it sounds. Jun 04 16:37:06 MohammadAG, is and has been for a while. Jun 04 16:37:08 Temporarily disabled <-- yay I can't download master Jun 04 16:37:20 MohammadAG, the category view was a patch from Jaffa. Jun 04 16:37:52 GAN900, category view? Jun 04 16:37:56 oh Jun 04 16:37:58 the icons? Jun 04 16:38:14 GAN900: I am certain that you are right. the testing phase would be much much harder with the rest of the system being moving targets Jun 04 16:38:28 GAN900: I'm working on the hardware docs - http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems - intend to eventually have the user be able to click on 'lock button' - and it says 'the lock button is implemented in hardware by... 'and is dealt with in software by [[link]]. Jun 04 16:39:39 SpeedEvil: the Computing section has some missing components, like the DSP at least Jun 04 16:39:46 yes. Jun 04 16:40:10 thanks. Jun 04 16:40:17 is there an ambient light sensor? for the auto-adjusting sceen brightness? Jun 04 16:40:25 yes Jun 04 16:41:42 and the last ones I can think of are microSD slot and SIM card slot (no clue how the latter is handled though) Jun 04 16:41:55 SIM is there Jun 04 16:42:37 yes, I see it now Jun 04 16:43:19 touch screen/sensor? Jun 04 16:44:41 flailingmonkey: it's a rather cute sensor with a dedicated a/d converter and two separate sensors for IR-only and full-spectrum Jun 04 16:45:50 only drawback: it's too slow for a lot of interesting usecases Jun 04 16:45:52 DocScrutinizer51: can you answer some questions? Jun 04 16:45:53 last and almost least, FM transmitter (as opposed to the receiver in the Bluetooth chip) and infrared transmitter Jun 04 16:45:59 DocScrutinizer51: in regards of host mode Jun 04 16:46:24 FM TX is seperate Jun 04 16:46:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware Jun 04 16:46:41 not now probably as I'm on a 90% load by watching TV Jun 04 16:46:48 has most of the HW pages - including the FM TX Jun 04 16:46:56 DocScrutinizer51: well 2 questions Jun 04 16:46:59 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter Jun 04 16:47:03 [2010-06-02 18:33:04] echo e > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc Jun 04 16:47:07 sounds good Jun 04 16:47:18 i've looked into driver source code and there is no option 'e' Jun 04 16:47:37 where that came from, patch? Jun 04 16:47:38 jacekowski, and did you look at the patches? no Jun 04 16:47:45 yep Jun 04 16:48:08 2nd question? Jun 04 16:48:11 and 2nd, what i2cset is doing? Jun 04 16:48:20 that's just for battery managment? Jun 04 16:48:26 raising power output to 5V Jun 04 16:48:38 jacekowski: visit h-e-n.garage.maemo and get the patch Jun 04 16:48:50 no Jun 04 16:48:51 not yet Jun 04 16:49:03 I found some minor problems, nokia forgot a = in the original source Jun 04 16:49:26 since it's commented out in the original source, it's not a problem Jun 04 16:49:31 jacekowski: i2cfoo is for VBUS 5V Jun 04 16:50:47 patch applies against vanilia kernel.org kernel? Jun 04 16:50:53 I said wait Jun 04 16:50:54 no Jun 04 16:50:57 or maemo sources? Jun 04 16:51:00 maemo sources Jun 04 16:51:06 wait, the package will fail Jun 04 16:52:12 sorry, had to delete the patch since it will fail Jun 04 16:52:19 will put up one in a bit Jun 04 16:53:06 i made a copy Jun 04 16:53:25 lol Jun 04 16:53:34 jacekowski, then fix it yourself :) Jun 04 16:53:38 sure Jun 04 16:53:38 it has 4 errors in it Jun 04 16:54:36 lardman: ping Jun 04 16:57:37 i want to hack bme so you don't have to kill it Jun 04 16:57:41 Anyone using MADDE with the "rx51-fremantle-pr12" runtime? Jun 04 16:58:36 (more generified version: anyone using MADDE?) Jun 04 17:01:00 jacekowski, feel free to get the new patch, which I know you won't do Jun 04 17:03:38 frals, when I get the promote package button and it says promoted, does that mean it will stay 10 days in quarantine then it'll get promoted? Jun 04 17:07:52 does anybody know how i can add more 'buttons' to my xterm's bar? Jun 04 17:08:33 google knows Jun 04 17:08:58 i saw tips in the past on adding more special symbols keys to it if i'm not mistaken Jun 04 17:09:02 slonopotamus: i am trying to find it, buz apparently i am not using the right keywords ;/ Jun 04 17:09:18 that's why i am asking Jun 04 17:10:53 found it :) Jun 04 17:13:13 mikki-kun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=386536 Jun 04 17:14:12 mikki-kun, gconf Jun 04 17:15:00 oh Jun 04 17:15:06 someone else already found that, meh Jun 04 17:17:16 thanks for the help :) Jun 04 17:17:26 bbl Jun 04 17:17:40 i really love that with this community :) Jun 04 17:17:46 cya DocScrutinizer Jun 04 17:23:31 :> haha ^^ makes typing via irssi now way faster Jun 04 17:24:00 lol Jun 04 17:24:08 hmm Jun 04 17:24:12 ^^? Jun 04 17:24:55 MohammadAG: have you made a package with i2cset? Jun 04 17:25:07 yes Jun 04 17:25:21 lm-sensors? Jun 04 17:25:38 no Jun 04 17:25:40 sec Jun 04 17:26:22 msg'd it Jun 04 17:27:18 that's standard i2cset from lm-sensors? Jun 04 17:27:35 or something fancy? Jun 04 17:27:50 i2cset Jun 04 17:27:58 actually Jun 04 17:28:02 it's all i2ctools Jun 04 17:28:09 i2cset is in the package Jun 04 17:28:15 if you don't want the rest of the binaries Jun 04 17:35:51 btw. how is it done on n8x0? Jun 04 17:36:06 you have to plug in a cable with grounded id pin or something? Jun 04 17:45:51 n8x0 had no OTG (which is what ID pin is used for), they just had a program to switch the usb hardware into host mode Jun 04 17:46:16 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 Jun 04 17:46:34 You can find a professionally modified USB OTG adapter designed specifically to provide automatic host-mode functionality on the N800 here Jun 04 17:46:49 Ensure your tablet is running OS 2008, the device you want to use is supported, and plug it in using the adapter; the tablet will automatically switch into host mode Jun 04 17:47:25 a7 Jun 04 17:49:22 All we need with proper host-mode is a F-F adaptor Jun 04 17:49:24 ah, that looks like it had some OTG support Jun 04 17:49:26 and the standard cable Jun 04 17:49:29 that's it Jun 04 17:49:37 but look below, there is: "How to manually set the N800 with OS2008 to host mode" Jun 04 17:49:42 No special adaptors, no nothing. Jun 04 17:50:28 that is basically what we are doing. and SpeedEvil is right, the cable from Nokia with an F-F adapter (plugs into the end of the cable, and has a USB socket on the other side) is all that is needed Jun 04 17:50:33 well, it would be nice if there would be no software required Jun 04 17:50:56 i mean, plug in cable and it just works Jun 04 17:51:12 That's the idea eventually. Jun 04 17:52:04 * RST38h moos at the moon Jun 04 17:53:14 stop bme; sleep 3; i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05; while true; do sleep 28; i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80; done Jun 04 17:53:26 0x07 is battery charger/usb power thingy Jun 04 17:53:38 but what's under 0x80? Jun 04 17:54:00 which number is the self destruct arming mechanism again ? Jun 04 17:55:05 Self Destruct Primary Sequence Engaged ... Charging Up Reactor Core .... Detonation in 10 ... 9 ... Jun 04 17:56:53 ...Requesting approval for TI headquarters...APPROVAL GRANTED (Note: Why, let the sucker bite it!)...Self Destruct Initiated... Jun 04 17:57:01 s/for/from Jun 04 18:25:04 Hi all. Jun 04 18:25:46 Anyone here knows where can I get the Maemo SDK (Scratchbox) on an VMWare image file? Jun 04 18:27:13 an1 alive/? Jun 04 18:27:56 isnt that the default for the windows version? Jun 04 18:28:07 I think he means back it up Jun 04 18:29:27 I'm talking about the Ubunto VMWare Image file that contains the Maemo SDK. Jun 04 18:29:44 The thing is I want to compile some Hildon sources.. and I can't do it on windows Madde for some readon. Jun 04 18:30:26 so why dont you make your own vm install Jun 04 18:30:27 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ Jun 04 18:30:56 E0x, thanks for that, but for some reason it isn't htere. Jun 04 18:30:59 there. Jun 04 18:31:01 better this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jun 04 18:31:16 E0x: that talks about diablo Jun 04 18:31:35 google is outdate :( Jun 04 18:31:40 It should be there.. but I don't see it. Jun 04 18:31:40 Linux ftw Jun 04 18:31:55 well just install some linux distro which is supported by the sdk on your vmware or virtualbox or whatever Jun 04 18:31:55 Even the file list claims it should contain those files. Jun 04 18:32:00 and then install the sdk Jun 04 18:32:08 That's an idea. Jun 04 18:32:30 take a snapshot in case you want to start over .. Jun 04 18:32:33 Anyone here compiled maemo hildon sources ?? Jun 04 18:33:06 somebody at the forum Jun 04 18:33:10 post update images Jun 04 18:33:12 look for it Jun 04 18:33:45 I tried looking for it there, with no success. Jun 04 18:34:08 There was someone who added links to the same place, but you can't download them. Jun 04 18:34:56 Mohammad, you are not the one who wrote the hildon-input-method by any chance? Jun 04 18:36:18 hildon-input-method is closed source Jun 04 18:36:27 and I'm not employed by Nokia Jun 04 18:36:28 not anymore. Jun 04 18:37:11 ok.. I thought there might be a chance you were Mohhamad Anwari Jun 04 18:37:31 but the hildon-input-method is an open source, and distributed, it wasn't used to be open though. Jun 04 18:37:59 And that's what I am trying to compile.. Jun 04 18:38:25 Mohhamad is not the more common name in the world ? Jun 04 18:38:47 Yes it is :) Jun 04 18:38:48 lasergun: parts of it is still closed Jun 04 18:39:52 lasergun: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Jun 04 18:40:05 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-input-method/ Jun 04 18:40:44 E0x, thanks , but you can't download it. download starts and it downloads only a coulpe of xml bytes saying there was an error. Jun 04 18:40:57 oh , look like they remove it Jun 04 18:41:19 yep :( Jun 04 18:41:25 if you search in google Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Jun 04 18:41:33 you can fine some torrent site with it Jun 04 18:42:20 Cool! thanks! Jun 04 18:42:31 hopefully it's online there. Jun 04 18:44:19 looks like libhildon-im-ui3, whatever it is, isn't open, and there is a dbg version of hildon-input-method that doesn't have source, but that is probably just compiler settings Jun 04 18:44:54 mm.. Jun 04 18:44:58 I downloaded this: Jun 04 18:45:23 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-input-method/hildon-input-method_2.1.46-1+0m5.tar.gz Jun 04 18:45:35 And this is the package I want to alter. Jun 04 18:46:06 MohammadAG: i'm pretty sure that hildon-input-method isn't Jun 04 18:46:39 jacekowski, lasergun: parts of it is still closed Jun 04 18:47:04 I also saw a video about hildon-input-method of mohhamad, claiming it will be open soon.. and was a long time ago. Jun 04 18:47:37 MohammadAG: anyways, where have you found chip id's? Jun 04 18:47:53 jacekowski, err? Jun 04 18:47:58 interesting bit from TODO of hildon-desktop: Implement Close Applications dialog, shown when the user wants to start a new application but we don't have enough RAM. Jun 04 18:47:59 for i2c Jun 04 18:48:29 Ask DocScrutinizer51, I only packaged it Jun 04 18:48:45 DocScrutinizer51: where have you found chip id's? Jun 04 18:48:47 huh? Jun 04 18:48:57 I don't think anyone has solved the problem of detecting when there's not "enough" memory yet :) Jun 04 18:49:20 jacekowski: which chip id? Jun 04 18:49:43 DocScrutinizer51: for i2cset Jun 04 18:50:08 in the datasheets Jun 04 18:50:13 The IDs are hardcoded into the chips. The id can be found in the datasheet for the chips Jun 04 18:50:27 and the N900 schmeatics show which i2c bus they're on Jun 04 18:50:43 yep Jun 04 18:50:49 exactly Jun 04 18:51:32 then pray you dodn't err somewhere and accidentally erase some firmware by a malformed I2C read Jun 04 18:51:51 :) Jun 04 18:52:17 I suspect most of the chips lack eeprom to store firmware anyway Jun 04 18:52:20 it's quite exciting :-) Jun 04 18:52:29 yes Jun 04 18:52:39 the chances are low Jun 04 18:53:01 but non-zero Jun 04 18:53:40 yep Jun 04 18:54:17 that's the reason you have that BOLD warning in i2ctools readme Jun 04 18:56:26 so 0x07 is for GAIA? Jun 04 18:57:21 or battery charger Jun 04 18:58:14 lol's at : apt-get moo Jun 04 18:59:37 thanks all.... Jun 04 19:01:15 ur welcome Jun 04 19:06:29 hey , how do i know if my firmware is a global firmware ? Jun 04 19:06:50 Settings > about product Jun 04 19:07:03 -002 is US, -003 is UK Jun 04 19:07:22 not sure about global, version number got wiped by the custom kernel Jun 04 19:07:23 mine is 003 Jun 04 19:07:26 UK Jun 04 19:07:27 i bought it in the Middle east Jun 04 19:07:32 hmm, sec Jun 04 19:07:50 my bad Jun 04 19:07:51 ME Jun 04 19:07:55 i wonder why the price of the N900 over here is 518 $ Jun 04 19:08:05 003 is middle east ? Jun 04 19:08:15 MENA, yes Jun 04 19:08:21 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Jun 04 19:09:08 can i flash it to Global firmware ? Jun 04 19:09:20 cause i dunno what all features have been removed in the ME firmware Jun 04 19:09:40 nothing afaik Jun 04 19:09:53 only the indian version lacks Skype Jun 04 19:09:58 the rest are mostly the same Jun 04 19:10:07 hmmm okay , yeah good thing i didn't buy it from India Jun 04 19:10:15 lol , i thought of Jun 04 19:11:02 why would the indian version lack skype? Jun 04 19:11:12 yeah Indian regulatinos Jun 04 19:11:15 regulations * Jun 04 19:11:44 arachnist, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55186 the firmware version is also smaller than the rest Jun 04 19:11:46 The Indian Government has some regulations about Skype usage Jun 04 19:12:16 I'm looking for that vmware image that has the maemo sdk/development tools already installed Jun 04 19:12:31 deja vu Jun 04 19:12:34 * MohammadAG scrolls up Jun 04 19:12:47 lasergun: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Jun 04 19:12:57 thanks :-) Jun 04 19:13:34 instead of removing the battery , isn't there a command line or something to display the IMIE number ? Jun 04 19:13:48 xDaReaperx: *#06# Jun 04 19:13:56 ty Jun 04 19:14:00 np Jun 04 19:14:05 dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei Jun 04 19:14:07 i think it's in settings - about Jun 04 19:14:08 too Jun 04 19:14:23 oh ya lol i forgot abt that Jun 04 19:14:41 hmm Jun 04 19:14:51 wouldn't an app be able to hijack that and replace the IMEI? Jun 04 19:15:57 MohammadAG, as in tell other apps lies about the imei? yeah Jun 04 19:16:17 but the imei going out through the radio couldn't be changed I'd think Jun 04 19:17:28 should've said "replace" :) Jun 04 19:17:42 MohammadAG: the link is broken, and the torrent says ETA 3 years, probably by then the SDK is too old Jun 04 19:17:43 ala fmtx-faker Jun 04 19:17:44 :-) Jun 04 19:17:50 meh Jun 04 19:17:51 sec Jun 04 19:18:21 wow Jun 04 19:18:25 the images were taken down Jun 04 19:18:55 * MohammadAG pings X-Fade, hopefully you'll see this on Monday Jun 04 19:19:23 USB host mode ? whats that ? Jun 04 19:19:45 connect usb-things on the device Jun 04 19:19:48 oh okay use USB sticks and stuff Jun 04 19:19:48 * frals is starting to wonder if the art of using a search engine is lost Jun 04 19:19:51 cool Jun 04 19:20:26 frals, actually they were taken down :) Jun 04 19:20:26 frals : i actually found it out Jun 04 19:20:43 frals, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images#Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Image_Installation Jun 04 19:21:46 hmm the maemo sdk install download a few things but the proxy block the site , where i need put that things Jun 04 19:21:54 and the maemo install script look it Jun 04 19:21:55 ? Jun 04 19:22:52 3,059 items, totalling 389.1 MB != a few Jun 04 19:23:26 MohammadAG: no all are block Jun 04 19:23:36 i think the only one is the binary closed Jun 04 19:23:38 package Jun 04 19:23:46 huh Jun 04 19:25:17 didn't PR 1.2 fix problem with Dynamic WEP keys? Jun 04 19:26:12 dynamic wep keys Jun 04 19:26:15 you mean WPA Jun 04 19:26:17 (not WPA2) Jun 04 19:26:51 will my N900 work with the Network providers of India ? Jun 04 19:27:01 cause i bought it from the Middle east ? Jun 04 19:28:04 xDaReaperx: n900 hardware is the same worldwide except for the keyboard Jun 04 19:28:23 and the FMTX in hong kong Jun 04 19:28:35 can't that be enabled though? Jun 04 19:28:42 the HW was removed Jun 04 19:28:46 oh Jun 04 19:28:54 wow, they went farther than I thought they would Jun 04 19:29:08 well isn't it like certain network providers have different frequencies ? Jun 04 19:29:11 well qwerty12 enabled it, so... :) Jun 04 19:29:39 I wouldn't be surprised if they made the HW revision different for the indian version Jun 04 19:29:40 21:28 < MohammadAG> the HW was removed Jun 04 19:29:42 21:29 < MohammadAG> well qwerty12 enabled it, so... :) Jun 04 19:29:47 xDaReaperx: yes, so check the N900's supported frequencies against the ones used in India Jun 04 19:29:49 so qwerty12 enabled removed hw? Jun 04 19:29:53 enabled it in other devices... Jun 04 19:30:07 hmm okay Jun 04 19:30:11 jacekowski, you seem to be picking on what I'm saying lately Jun 04 19:30:22 emm, Jun 04 19:30:23 no Jun 04 19:30:28 k Jun 04 19:30:29 http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmtx-faker/ Jun 04 19:30:33 i'm picking on what everybody is saying Jun 04 19:30:48 lol Jun 04 19:31:16 jacekowski, some EU devices had the HW, but it was disabled, qwerty12 enabled that Jun 04 19:31:32 if they left it in the HK version they're basically telling everyone to go install a package Jun 04 19:32:08 oh and US devices have the step set as 0.2 (88.1-88.3 etc...), the package fixes that too Jun 04 19:32:16 have somebody opened it and noticed hole where fmtx was supposed to be? Jun 04 19:32:27 lol Jun 04 19:32:54 well, i'm not going to belive in that unless somebody posts pics Jun 04 19:33:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=657153&postcount=31 Jun 04 19:34:07 The FM transmitter option is missing from the Setup menu. However, I manage to use the fm-transfmitter by apt-get fmtx-faker and fmtx-middleware. Jun 04 19:34:22 * MohammadAG stands corrected Jun 04 19:34:37 ooh, an update for extra codecs says it has webm support Jun 04 19:34:46 anyone know if that uses the DSP? Jun 04 19:35:15 decoders-support installs gstreamer packages afaik Jun 04 19:35:23 gstreamer is what the DSP uses Jun 04 19:35:58 MohammadAG: well, it might be just somebody saying bs Jun 04 19:36:02 That is so wrong in many ways ;) Jun 04 19:36:12 hey X-Fade Jun 04 19:36:16 MohammadAG: so i wouldn't belive in anything unless they show pics Jun 04 19:36:28 k Jun 04 19:36:30 MohammadAG: rather, gstreamer uses the DSP, but only if the codec binary supports it, no? Jun 04 19:36:51 That is more like it, yes ;) Jun 04 19:36:51 I went with jacekowski's suggestion, and uploaded i2c-tools, along with a shitload of warnings and agreements Jun 04 19:36:57 hope you don't mind X-Fade :) Jun 04 19:37:18 if I want to file a bug report against UMTS/GPRS data, is this product Connectivity, or which? I cannot find the right component Jun 04 19:37:18 MohammadAG: No, as long as it is not user/* sectioned? Jun 04 19:37:22 X-Fade: so what is going to happen to chromium? Jun 04 19:37:28 X-Fade: because i'm sort of lost Jun 04 19:37:39 X-Fade, nope, not in a user/ section Jun 04 19:37:39 jacekowski: Was there an announcement already? Jun 04 19:37:44 MohammadAG: good. Jun 04 19:37:55 X-Fade: i never saw one Jun 04 19:37:57 and it uses maemo-confirm-text to show an agreement dialog Jun 04 19:38:12 X-Fade, oh and the package didn't get imported at :05, no idea why Jun 04 19:38:21 Warning: This package does not have a proper description Jun 04 19:38:27 neither at :35 Jun 04 19:38:51 jacekowski, that's cause it wasn't imported Jun 04 19:39:05 lol Jun 04 19:39:08 jacekowski, Size: Jun 04 19:39:08 0 bytes should've given it away Jun 04 19:39:28 well, happened to me before Jun 04 19:39:40 importer's down I guess? Jun 04 19:39:52 MohammadAG: Ah, maintenance node is down. Jun 04 19:39:55 webm would not use the dsp, there's no vp8 codec for dsp Jun 04 19:40:02 X-Fade, grr Jun 04 19:40:03 :P Jun 04 19:40:12 Wonder why.. Let me check the vm host. Jun 04 19:40:49 so I'd guess slightly slower than mplayer doing h264 Jun 04 19:41:51 lots of packages to be imported after i2c-tools Jun 04 19:43:04 fmtx can not be removed on a hw level - it's integrated with bt Jun 04 19:43:08 Hmm typical friday afternoon the admin is gone issue ;( Jun 04 19:43:24 so you don't have 24/7 NOC? Jun 04 19:43:47 X-Fade, so it's down till monday? Jun 04 19:43:50 Sure, that is not it. It is just that things like that always happen when you have weekend ;) Jun 04 19:45:58 Ikarus: Network says its WEP Jun 04 19:46:19 Anyway, it is importing atm. Jun 04 19:46:37 X-Fade, repong? Jun 04 19:46:57 Now to find out why I the kvm did not close down gracefully. Jun 04 19:47:06 GAN900: Which one? ;) Jun 04 19:47:23 X-Fade, you pinged me about something early this morning. Jun 04 19:47:33 Ah yeah, the testers thingie. Jun 04 19:47:40 * GAN900 was sleeping, as you were clearly aware. :P Jun 04 19:47:58 GAN900: I miss the insomnia GAN :( Jun 04 19:48:19 MohammadAG: one thing came to my mind Jun 04 19:48:39 * MohammadAG gulps Jun 04 19:48:40 MohammadAG: have you checked what happens when you connect n900 in host mode to other host? Jun 04 19:48:57 does it explode? Jun 04 19:49:02 nope, but it won't stay in host mode after you unplug it Jun 04 19:49:10 jacekowski: no Jun 04 19:49:14 "OTG crap" I guess Jun 04 19:49:33 it goes from a_host to a_suspend Jun 04 19:49:38 jacekowski: also I wonder why you nag MohammadAG with this... ;-D Jun 04 19:49:44 andrewfblack: yeah, WPA is WEP with a key changing scheme Jun 04 19:49:55 DocScrutinizer, I'm really not sure :P Jun 04 19:50:11 well, he made a patch Jun 04 19:50:18 er Jun 04 19:50:20 orly? Jun 04 19:50:28 well, packaged it Jun 04 19:50:28 I just 'compiled' all patches needed Jun 04 19:50:42 into one huge patch Jun 04 19:50:57 you managed to do something that nobody else did Jun 04 19:51:07 MohammadAG: that's what you earn by such niceness ;-P Jun 04 19:51:11 you should fell like a god or something Jun 04 19:51:13 which could be a positive defect in my N900, according to t-tan Jun 04 19:51:21 jacekowski, I'm quite humble :) Jun 04 19:51:23 LOL Jun 04 19:51:59 jacekowski: I honestly doubt you have a clear perception of the whole picture Jun 04 19:52:15 how abt under clocking ? Jun 04 19:52:17 he doesn't :) Jun 04 19:52:23 I'm going to put my maemo.org theme's Pr 1.2 up for ransom for getting my N900 connected to work network. I'll release it once my phone connect lol Jun 04 19:52:30 will under clocking reduce device life ? Jun 04 19:52:38 xDaReaperx: it will reduce battery life Jun 04 19:52:57 xDaReaperx: and it will be unstable Jun 04 19:52:59 underclocking is done to increase battery life right? Jun 04 19:53:16 not if you go too low Jun 04 19:53:27 hmm ok Jun 04 19:53:44 jacekowski, it got imported, now it has a description, you noob :P Jun 04 19:54:10 apparently underclocking reduces time device spends in idle Jun 04 19:54:21 and makes it go to higher frequencies more often Jun 04 19:58:01 hmm yeah i think it cracshes all apps Jun 04 19:58:19 unstable Jun 04 19:59:47 125MHz actually is reported to be unstable Jun 04 20:00:06 250 should do Jun 04 20:00:08 good Jun 04 20:00:12 that's why it's not used. Jun 04 20:00:26 hmm Jun 04 20:00:28 otherwise why should Nokia not use it?? Jun 04 20:01:00 if it actually improved the user experience you bet they'd enable it Jun 04 20:01:56 * DocScrutinizer wonders what strange minds might think Nokia is crippling N900 features/performance just to piss users Jun 04 20:02:14 apple do that Jun 04 20:03:52 for sure nokia sometimes does errrr suboptimal decisions and think they know what users need, see e.g. hiding real fs tree away from user and just offering MyDocs and Card Jun 04 20:04:24 hiding the real fs tree makes perfect sense Jun 04 20:04:34 but nokia isn't a bunch of pathological sadists that feel joy in pissing off users Jun 04 20:05:18 they don't hide it Jun 04 20:05:30 just default app manager shows 2 folders Jun 04 20:05:46 xDaReaperx: 250 is normall speed Jun 04 20:05:47 so if underclocking isn't enabled: ask yourself why. if overclocking isn't enabled: ask yourself if there might be a good reason for that Jun 04 20:06:11 wat's a flasher? Jun 04 20:06:14 lol Jun 04 20:06:30 if SmartReflex dynamic corevoltage is disabled - all the same Jun 04 20:06:32 well it flashes Jun 04 20:06:38 ~flasher Jun 04 20:06:39 flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Jun 04 20:06:46 DocScrutinizer: smartreflex is disabled? Jun 04 20:07:00 DocScrutinizer, Nokia wants to keep the poor man down. Jun 04 20:07:12 DocScrutinizer; you are wrong! tmo users >>> TI/Nokia engineers when it comes to evulating whats good for the soc and not! Jun 04 20:07:20 jacekowski: it wasn't used in pre 1.2, and is even not supported in 1.2 kernel Jun 04 20:07:59 frals: exactly, that's why I love tmo so much I can't tell Jun 04 20:08:07 ;D Jun 04 20:08:28 bah, made the mistake of importing gtk in my status menu plugin Jun 04 20:08:50 interesting none has noticed their battery draining faster yet Jun 04 20:09:37 * andrewfblack is now blackmailing the Maemo community http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55196 Jun 04 20:10:26 lol Jun 04 20:12:46 uhm Jun 04 20:12:57 once you hit promote on a package to get it to -testing, you cant demote it? Jun 04 20:13:11 frals: Yes, vote your own package down. Jun 04 20:13:24 alright, cheers :) Jun 04 20:13:55 Then it will be removed from the queue. Jun 04 20:14:22 hey is there a widget to see how much you have downloaded and uploaded in your life time ? Jun 04 20:14:29 on the n900 Jun 04 20:14:58 X-Fade, yeah, actually working most of your time tends to fix your sleep schedule right quick. :P Jun 04 20:15:19 GAN900: Yeah, I can imagine. Jun 04 20:15:21 X-Fade, I'll try to get the final push going this weekend. Jun 04 20:16:05 GAN900: Thanks Jun 04 20:16:07 The device queue is rolling, so there's one thing off my list. Jun 04 20:16:15 * GAN900 pumps his arms in the air. Jun 04 20:17:24 * MohammadAG blackmails andrewfblack Jun 04 20:17:45 MohammadAG: got to have something I want to blackmail me Jun 04 20:19:02 xDaReaperx: do you use the build in bandwidth counter? Jun 04 20:19:03 > hey is there a widget to see how much you have downloaded and uploaded in your life time ? Jun 04 20:19:17 there is a bandwidth counter ? Jun 04 20:19:19 built in ? Jun 04 20:19:22 never saw it Jun 04 20:19:36 xDaReaperx: then install the bw counter widget, hmm it's cell data only thoguh Jun 04 20:19:55 Oh well yeah thats what i wanted, the 3G data thingy Jun 04 20:23:23 xDaReaperx: you can reset it, and you can have scheduled resets Jun 04 20:23:41 well you can do this right ? /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 Jun 04 20:23:49 to know total send and received bytes ? Jun 04 20:24:04 xDaReaperx: thats a different counter Jun 04 20:24:12 xDaReaperx: that one resets if you reboot Jun 04 20:24:17 oh Jun 04 20:24:43 hmm there's none which dosent reset ? Jun 04 20:24:58 sort of Jun 04 20:25:08 ifconfig counters overflows Jun 04 20:25:12 xDaReaperx: the bandwidth counter for 2g/3g doesnt reset by itself Jun 04 20:25:13 at 4G Jun 04 20:25:24 32bit int Jun 04 20:25:30 xDaReaperx: personal-gprs-mon Jun 04 20:25:33 on 64 bit platform it's almost infinite Jun 04 20:25:40 * MohammadAG51 tests Jun 04 20:25:54 iptables counter is much bigger Jun 04 20:26:01 and it can be saved/restored Jun 04 20:26:07 whats the personal gprs mon ? Jun 04 20:26:17 xDaReaperx: google ;) Jun 04 20:26:21 ok Jun 04 20:26:21 xDaReaperx: that's the one I talked about, the name of the widget Jun 04 20:26:29 oh okay Jun 04 20:26:31 ty Jun 04 20:26:32 xDaReaperx: I think it's what you want actually Jun 04 20:26:38 yeah Jun 04 20:26:41 thanks Jun 04 20:26:48 * MohammadAGRX-51 tests again Jun 04 20:31:18 sadly there's no Wlan data counter that dosent reset Jun 04 20:36:01 i think i found something wrong in the background image option Jun 04 20:36:07 it shows home_li_get_ovi Jun 04 20:36:12 instead of Ovi Jun 04 20:36:22 missing string Jun 04 20:36:30 * MohammadAG51 :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable Jun 04 20:36:32 uhm Jun 04 20:36:42 yeah , i downloaded the Meamo.org theme Jun 04 20:36:46 muhaha, locked in portrait mode Jun 04 20:37:05 works great for even systray menu Jun 04 20:37:09 xDaReaperx, that theme won't be updated Jun 04 20:37:22 till andrewfblack gets what he wants Jun 04 20:37:27 oh , that sucks .... i better tick to the Nokia Nseries theme then Jun 04 20:37:33 stick 8 Jun 04 20:37:42 xDaReaperx, check the blackmail thread :P Jun 04 20:37:51 oh lol i saw that Jun 04 20:37:54 but i thought he was joking Jun 04 20:38:01 nope lol Jun 04 20:38:04 any suggestion except reboot? Jun 04 20:38:08 yes Jun 04 20:38:14 ctrl shift x Jun 04 20:38:20 killall hildon-desktop Jun 04 20:38:22 wait i changed the theme now but it still shows home_li_get_ovi Jun 04 20:38:31 please in less than2pchar) Jun 04 20:38:46 (all other crap will be in portrait mode till you open a portait app and close it) Jun 04 20:39:04 DocScrutinizer51, open terminal and kill it! Jun 04 20:39:29 sorry only can read the nick :P Jun 04 20:39:41 killall hildon-desktop Jun 04 20:39:47 k Jun 04 20:39:48 lol Jun 04 20:39:49 killall Jun 04 20:39:53 hildon-desktop Jun 04 20:39:55 ctrl Jun 04 20:39:56 shift Jun 04 20:39:57 x Jun 04 20:40:00 happy? :) Jun 04 20:40:00 rofl Jun 04 20:40:29 hey how is there a broken string mohammad ? Jun 04 20:40:37 still shows home_li_get_ovi Jun 04 20:40:40 how to fix it Jun 04 20:40:46 hmm Jun 04 20:40:53 not sure Jun 04 20:41:02 did they keep the widget in 1.2? Jun 04 20:41:03 YEAH!! :-D Jun 04 20:41:15 while you are at it why not kill -1 -1 ? Jun 04 20:41:20 well i'm not sure Jun 04 20:41:26 MohammadAGRX-51: thanks Jun 04 20:41:32 DocScrutinizer51, check the status menu :P Jun 04 20:41:36 * MohammadAGRX-51 hides Jun 04 20:41:42 LOL Jun 04 20:41:59 DocScrutinizer51, open a portrait app and go back to landscape Jun 04 20:42:02 e.g phone :P Jun 04 20:42:13 tried that Jun 04 20:42:43 or do you suggest that for the systray menu only? Jun 04 20:42:48 the status menu should go back Jun 04 20:42:50 yeah Jun 04 20:42:53 ok Jun 04 20:43:49 hi, how do i get the virtual keyboard to display? Jun 04 20:44:15 Hey guys, i'm having problems installing python on fremantle 1.2: >> python: Depends: python2.5 (>= 2.5.2-15) but it is not going to be installed << Jun 04 20:44:25 lol. that gave me 'full portrait mode' again XP Jun 04 20:44:31 can anyone help? Jun 04 20:44:31 LOL Jun 04 20:44:42 desktop and status menu Jun 04 20:44:44 kill em Jun 04 20:47:16 ok invoked dialer from desktop (fter killing h-desktop) and autorotated dialer to portrait and back. now menu is fixed Jun 04 20:47:35 :) Jun 04 20:47:45 can anyone help me? with this problem?: python2.5: Depends: python2.5-minimal (= 2.5.4-1maemo6) but 2.5.4-1maemo5 is to be installed Jun 04 20:48:20 is this a 'feature' of the 1.2 kernel? (can't think how) Jun 04 20:48:53 nope Jun 04 20:49:00 that's ctrl+shift+r Jun 04 20:49:06 you upgraded? Jun 04 20:49:07 ctrl shirt are. Jun 04 20:49:18 nope Jun 04 20:49:29 just 'your' kernel Jun 04 20:50:18 lol Jun 04 20:50:52 btw originally triggered that by an accidental 'doubleclick' in taskswitcher Jun 04 20:51:23 hasn't happened to me on 1.2 Jun 04 20:51:27 maybe it was fixed? Jun 04 20:51:48 never happened to me before either Jun 04 20:52:10 it happened to me loads Jun 04 20:53:44 yeah, you also get stuck in hostmode while nobody else even can start it ;-P Jun 04 20:54:15 MohammadAG: jump on #xceleo-tmp until i can fix #xceleo ;P Jun 04 21:05:13 I want a santambyte HD plz Jun 04 21:12:25 HexaByte, I'm working on it. Somehow python2.5 was updated in extras but not python2.5-minimal Jun 04 21:12:49 lmoura: so i should just wait for an available update? Jun 04 21:13:05 HexaByte, you can enable the extras-testing repo Jun 04 21:13:37 HexaByte, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#How_to_activate_Extras-testing Jun 04 21:13:43 do i dare? :-) Jun 04 21:14:29 I wonder why extras promoted python2.5 but not python2.5-minimal Jun 04 21:14:49 is distribution still "Distribution: fremantle" or 1.2 and instructions on that site are obsolete? Jun 04 21:15:31 HexaByte, AFAIR it's still fremantle Jun 04 21:15:37 k Jun 04 21:17:38 going to test it Jun 04 21:18:02 not too eager to do it, 'cause i have no backup with OSX Jun 04 21:18:12 no nokia suite here, correct? Jun 04 21:19:03 HexaByte, hum? Jun 04 21:19:49 lmoura: is there a Nokia PC Suite for Mac/OSX? Jun 04 21:20:19 oh, I have no idea Jun 04 21:20:31 use the built in backup app Jun 04 21:20:46 MohammadAG51: works with OSX? Jun 04 21:20:57 it's on the N900 itself Jun 04 21:22:39 lol, ah i see. it creates a file locally which i can then transfer to my macbook Jun 04 21:22:48 and later do it the other way around Jun 04 21:23:15 hello Jun 04 21:23:19 ~seen achipa Jun 04 21:23:21 achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 8h 37m 26s ago, saying: 'tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be.'. Jun 04 21:23:33 ~seen Khertan Jun 04 21:23:34 khertan is currently on #maemo (4h 58m 3s) #meego (4h 58m 3s), last said: '182d ... qwerty12 didn't come anymore on #maemo'. Jun 04 21:23:49 Khertan, ping Jun 04 21:26:35 sup Jun 04 21:27:24 tnx all for info Jun 04 21:27:26 by Jun 04 21:38:55 mece: it's 20 to midnight, he's probably sleeping Jun 04 21:39:08 ooh well. Jun 04 21:39:40 crashanddie, why aren't you? Jun 04 21:40:00 because I'm waiting for my gf to come back from work? Jun 04 21:49:22 ~botsnack Jun 04 21:49:22 aw, gee, thunderfest Jun 04 21:50:15 so anyone know why my QAbstractKineticScroller is super mega sensitive? Jun 04 21:56:25 DocScrutinizer, = me btw Jun 04 21:56:39 i'm just the stupid part of his head Jun 04 21:59:13 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jun 04 21:59:25 i hate wifi Jun 04 21:59:38 and there is something seriously wrong with my n900's wifi Jun 04 22:00:19 Have you tried dipping your n900 in marmalade, and then having a hungry bear lick it clean? Jun 04 22:00:31 This can solve wifi problems for some users. Jun 04 22:00:44 >.< Jun 04 22:00:46 I thought it was honey Jun 04 22:00:53 SpeedEvil: women in bikinis do a better job Jun 04 22:01:08 asj_, yeah, but they don't fix the wifi problem! Jun 04 22:01:27 I'm pretty sure it's honey + bear. Jun 04 22:01:28 mece: if you have a said women licking your phone, do you care???? Jun 04 22:01:45 asj_, well yeah, but that wasn't the issue :P Jun 04 22:01:52 he'd buy another one and keep the old one Jun 04 22:01:53 err no.. Jun 04 22:07:52 ugh, videos that N900 makes look horrible when viewed with anything except N900.. Jun 04 22:09:12 * GAN900 wonders why battery usage shoots up at the end of the day. Jun 04 22:09:29 GAN900, as measured by what? Jun 04 22:10:10 hmm, it's not bme/watchdog rebooting device Jun 04 22:10:16 when bme dies Jun 04 22:10:28 is it safe to power off phone while updating an application? it froze while updating Extras Decoders update Jun 04 22:10:39 check /etc/event.replace.d/bme jacekowski Jun 04 22:10:55 i know Jun 04 22:10:59 opdf2: decoders takes heaps of time Jun 04 22:11:00 i noticed that Jun 04 22:11:10 opdf2: seriously, it can take like 20 minutes if you have other stuff running Jun 04 22:11:15 crashanddie:  thanks i was getting worried Jun 04 22:11:23 but before that i spent a lot of time trying to find out how bme is talking to watchdog Jun 04 22:11:43 opdf2: don't worry about it freezing up, I had the same. Just put it down on the table and come back in a while. Yes, things might break if you interrupt the install Jun 04 22:11:49 it's talking dbus and voodoo to all sorts of stuff.. Jun 04 22:11:59 crashanddie:  okay cool Jun 04 22:12:19 not that bad Jun 04 22:12:23 opdf2, yeah I powered mine off while install extras decoders when I power it back on no media files would work at all Jun 04 22:12:32 and it's not voodoo Jun 04 22:12:40 thunderfest:  how did you fix that? Jun 04 22:12:46 reflash Jun 04 22:13:14 besides, i'll need somebody who isn't afraid of bricking his phone Jun 04 22:14:17 SpeedEvil, nothing consistent nor precise. Jun 04 22:14:34 SpeedEvil, just that it feels noticeably warm towards the end of the day Jun 04 22:14:41 Odd. Jun 04 22:14:55 GAN900: that's because of the blonde you peep around 4PM Jun 04 22:14:56 * SpeedEvil wishes for another couple of hours a day. Jun 04 22:14:58 and the battery meter goes from "half" to red bar within a few hours. Jun 04 22:15:15 Me too. Jun 04 22:15:19 speaking of battery usage... has anyone noticed this, if looking at the graph with battery eye, when you take the N900 off charge after it is full, and at idle, the battery charge drops at a faster rate when coming down from 100% to about 85-90% then settles at a more acceptable idle discharge rate. Jun 04 22:15:23 * MohammadAG51 hands jacekowski a mirror Jun 04 22:15:27 you found your guy Jun 04 22:15:28 1500mAh would've been about perfect. Jun 04 22:15:36 thunderfest:  how long did it take you to install Extra Decoders after reflash? Jun 04 22:16:44 assuming host mode works Jun 04 22:16:54 Dantonic: Depending on where batteryeye is getting its charge information, this may be inaccurate Jun 04 22:16:57 is a 1080p practically possible? Jun 04 22:16:59 err Jun 04 22:17:07 1080p DVI adapter Jun 04 22:17:12 no Jun 04 22:17:18 The battery meter is somewhat non-linear.. and the older (more worn) your battery gets, the more ninlinear the meter will get Jun 04 22:17:29 MohammadAG51: it's uncompressed Jun 04 22:17:38 ShadowJK: The charge meter chip I have found surprisingly accurate - once it's learned. Jun 04 22:17:38 got it Jun 04 22:17:45 1024x768? Jun 04 22:17:49 SpeedEvil, yes but maemo doesn't use the charge meter chip Jun 04 22:17:49 no Jun 04 22:17:53 err Jun 04 22:17:54 it's still uncompressed Jun 04 22:17:56 SpeedEvil, I think it gets it from the "percentage" value, as if you would check it from the terminal Jun 04 22:18:05 USB can do at most 480Mbit/s Jun 04 22:18:07 SpeedEvil, it uses its own voodoo Jun 04 22:18:17 -overheads Jun 04 22:18:18 now Jun 04 22:18:33 800x480? Jun 04 22:18:33 1024x768x32x25 Jun 04 22:18:53 ... Jun 04 22:19:01 possible Jun 04 22:19:06 ShadowJK: 926 935 935 945 948 - on successive cycles. Jun 04 22:19:09 ShadowJK: I know Jun 04 22:19:20 1024x760 would require 600MBits of raw bandwidth Jun 04 22:19:30 GAN900 was staring at the maemo battery meter, so that's why I said it's nonlinear. Jun 04 22:19:40 yes. Jun 04 22:19:47 opdf2, I have not tried to reinstall Extra Decoders since I reflashed Jun 04 22:20:29 Also - to get warm needs around a watt - IME. This will drain the bat in 4h Jun 04 22:20:37 800x480 would require 292Mbit/s of raw bandwidth Jun 04 22:20:44 so usb could push it Jun 04 22:20:54 theoretical USB could push it Jun 04 22:20:58 but question is where it would push it Jun 04 22:21:03 Also - displaylink Jun 04 22:21:08 it doesn't work that way Jun 04 22:21:09 that too Jun 04 22:21:44 * ZogG high5 MohammadAG51 Jun 04 22:21:50 but considering that USB is divided over a number of busses, and the host has the query each device in order to know if there's data, the overhead of USB quickly kills any hope to get to 480 Mbit Jun 04 22:22:05 hmmm sometimes xorg is eating cpu like crazy Jun 04 22:22:14 even gets to 60% Jun 04 22:22:16 any device capable of recieving 300MBIt/s of data would be more than capable of decoding that video from compressed source Jun 04 22:22:43 is there bug submitted already? anyone has any idea, as the bug search on bugzilla is kinda wierd for me Jun 04 22:23:08 that's not a bug Jun 04 22:23:37 does it stay at that high usage for long period of time? Jun 04 22:23:39 and 2 Jun 04 22:23:44 do you have lot of windows open Jun 04 22:23:49 and lot of widgets Jun 04 22:23:53 xrestop would help Jun 04 22:27:38 can anyone help me with some questions related to nokia n900 udds usage with the latest firmware update? Jun 04 22:28:05 USSD? Jun 04 22:28:54 jacekowski not al ot of windows Jun 04 22:29:28 please, guys. I installed easy-chroot and I'm running commands of my debian image with quserchroot. How can I umount this image that was mounted by quserchroot? Jun 04 22:29:57 and it is bug, as it jumps from 30-60 and everything works slow (even if i have one window) as well how does several programs can cause Xorg to load that much but not application itself as its's not rendered by xorg when it;s inimized? Jun 04 22:30:21 astruasdh run mount Jun 04 22:30:24 from root Jun 04 22:30:29 yes, apps can cause X load when invisible Jun 04 22:30:32 you will see all mount you have Jun 04 22:30:37 strace any active apps Jun 04 22:30:45 that you can use umount blahblah Jun 04 22:30:47 ZogG ya... but is there a command to umount all mounted? Jun 04 22:31:06 ZogG because the easy-chroot "mount -bind"'s many places Jun 04 22:31:10 SpeedEvil still i didn't have much apps running Jun 04 22:31:16 astruasdh umount Jun 04 22:31:33 hi everybody Jun 04 22:31:34 umount only umounts mounts from /etc/fstab with -a Jun 04 22:31:34 astruasdh umount /dev/blahblah or umount /home/anydir Jun 04 22:31:36 ZogG ya, but I have to umount 7 dirs all the time? Jun 04 22:31:52 ZogG I saw qumount, but it is not working properly Jun 04 22:31:56 astruasdh: why do you want to umount them? Jun 04 22:32:14 jacekowski to power down my n900 safely Jun 04 22:32:14 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 04 22:32:15 astruasdh you can use grep to make the trcik Jun 04 22:32:21 astruasdh: they auto-unmount Jun 04 22:32:24 astruasdh: just power it down Jun 04 22:32:32 astruasdh: it will umount it Jun 04 22:32:40 umount -l / doesn't end nice Jun 04 22:32:47 not sure how but you can check the mount list for some search filters and run umount on them Jun 04 22:32:54 astruasdh: init umounts based on /proc/mounts Jun 04 22:33:04 SpeedEvil hmmm even if when the n900 is shutted down when the battery ends? Jun 04 22:33:10 astruasdh: yes Jun 04 22:33:13 astruasdh: and syncs before that Jun 04 22:33:15 astruasdh: that's done cleanly Jun 04 22:33:19 ah Jun 04 22:33:20 astruasdh: unless you've stopped BME Jun 04 22:33:23 so I dont have to umount Jun 04 22:33:25 the battery isn't empty when it's "empty" Jun 04 22:33:31 astruasdh: There is lots of power really left when the battery is empty Jun 04 22:33:35 around 5% Jun 04 22:33:42 5% isn't a lot Jun 04 22:33:52 it lasted me an hour Jun 04 22:33:57 with bme off Jun 04 22:34:11 and 3G connected (yes, really) Jun 04 22:34:11 so I have nothing to worry about Jun 04 22:34:22 quserchroot is all I need Jun 04 22:34:28 hmm, i think i'll have to think about patching that as well Jun 04 22:34:28 thank you :) Jun 04 22:34:40 jacekowski, why Jun 04 22:34:55 it's a safety measure Jun 04 22:34:59 MohammadAG51: Must have been idle Jun 04 22:35:01 is it possible to use zoom under easy-debian's apps? Jun 04 22:35:03 to get more juice out of battery Jun 04 22:35:23 eh fuck Extra Decoders has been updating for more than 30 minutes Jun 04 22:35:34 that's like saying overclock users' N900s to make them run faster Jun 04 22:35:39 and that's not optional Jun 04 22:35:55 well, that's just killing battery Jun 04 22:36:02 which in my case is almost dead anyways Jun 04 22:36:07 uncleanly Jun 04 22:36:16 the modem dies first Jun 04 22:36:24 (sim crossed out icon) Jun 04 22:36:40 i'm just thinking about moving that limit little bit lower Jun 04 22:37:00 it's relatively little. About 10 mins active Jun 04 22:37:08 and maybe 2-3 with the modem able to work Jun 04 22:38:04 I made my own debian image with debootstrap and I'm running apps. But the symbol's virtual keyboard (-> + Sym) does not appear when I have some debian's app focused. Is there some trick to make the virtual symbol's keyboard to appear in this scenario? Jun 04 22:38:53 hey guys, did anyone tried the udds request after latest nokia n900 firmare update which supposelly corrects this bug? Jun 04 22:39:31 ussd... Jun 04 22:39:41 which works Jun 04 22:39:51 wow.. apparently QAbstractKineticScroller is borked on QPlainTextEdit! Jun 04 22:39:55 ironically when you get a reply it goes into landscape mode Jun 04 22:40:00 works perfectly on QTextEdit. Jun 04 22:40:30 yeah unstructured supp service data.... my bad... but it seems that it doesnt Jun 04 22:40:40 or i am a totally freak Jun 04 22:42:26 i mean if i call the *#60# for divice imei address works Jun 04 22:42:54 other like setting the voicemail timing doesnt Jun 04 22:43:07 MohammadAG51: http://hothardware.com/News/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-480M-Powered-Notebook-Sneak-Peek/ Jun 04 22:43:14 get the same old: "service code unsupported" Jun 04 22:43:19 O_O Jun 04 22:43:25 ok... I think qlister is ready to be promoted. Jun 04 22:43:28 err Jun 04 22:43:35 anairda, it's *#06# Jun 04 22:43:40 and that works since 1.1 Jun 04 22:43:55 yeah but nothing changed since then Jun 04 22:43:57 and you don't call it, it's not a ussd function, it's just a sw call Jun 04 22:44:01 using the maemo's default browser I can zoom in and out. This same zoom in/out can be used on iceweasel from easy-debian ? Jun 04 22:44:07 i can make ussd widgets here Jun 04 22:44:14 astruasdh, no Jun 04 22:44:25 woah, nokia drops n900 price by almost $200... new model coming soon? Jun 04 22:44:33 but they said will be embeded in the latest firmware update Jun 04 22:44:42 solrize, wha? Jun 04 22:44:43 still a wallet breaker around here :P Jun 04 22:44:48 anairda, and they did Jun 04 22:45:03 MohammadAG51> ty :) can I use the symbol's virtual keyboard (-> + Sym) on the iceweasel? Jun 04 22:45:15 astruasdh, most probably not :) Jun 04 22:45:28 unless qole adds it somehow Jun 04 22:45:37 got it Jun 04 22:45:40 if he does plan to do that it won't be easy Jun 04 22:45:57 ty! :) so I will need to solve my problem with language settings Jun 04 22:46:17 astruasdh, or remp keys :) Jun 04 22:46:57 MohammadAG51 what is remp keys? Jun 04 22:47:04 why does flash need to be updated? Jun 04 22:47:15 on my N900, check the wiki astruasdh Jun 04 22:47:48 MohammadAG51 got it... remap keys... is it? Jun 04 22:47:55 i get an error, saying flash needs to be updated Jun 04 22:47:57 hmm Jun 04 22:48:32 mc_teo, where? Jun 04 22:48:46 when i view a flash video Jun 04 22:49:01 flash got upgraded to 10 then Jun 04 22:49:14 crashanddie: you here? Jun 04 22:49:25 said i need to update flash, turn on javascript, or add googleapis to whitelist Jun 04 22:49:43 Viliny__: aye Jun 04 22:50:05 got a simple math problem if aren't doing anything important :) Jun 04 22:50:14 MohammadAG51: how should i update it then? Jun 04 22:50:16 cna anybody with 1.2 please check if *#100#, *100#, *31# andm #31# work? Jun 04 22:50:26 doc hold on ill try Jun 04 22:50:37 DocScrutinizer51: for me it works.. Jun 04 22:50:51 all 4? Jun 04 22:50:54 at least some USSD codes worked Jun 04 22:50:59 I did not test them all Jun 04 22:51:10 DocScrutinizer51, imll check Jun 04 22:51:25 #x# yes Jun 04 22:51:30 I bet *some* do actually work Jun 04 22:51:46 *xx# works Jun 04 22:51:50 MohammadAG51: how should i update it then? Jun 04 22:52:02 but I doubt Nokia did a complete clean implementation ;-P Jun 04 22:52:03 *#100# doesn't work for me, my operator doesn't support it Jun 04 22:52:07 mc_teo, flash 10 isn't coming Jun 04 22:52:25 BugBlue: doesn't matter Jun 04 22:52:40 BugBlue, but it was requested Jun 04 22:52:52 then it'll read "not done" os sth liie that Jun 04 22:52:53 *#100# is my networks balance checkup Jun 04 22:53:12 *00# is roaming crap Jun 04 22:53:43 my operator doesn't do a lot of USSD codes, they have a website you've have to have flash installed for of course etc... Jun 04 22:53:48 *#100# works for me Jun 04 22:54:21 *31#NR will send the own number to far end on a call Jun 04 22:54:21 DocScrutinizer51: how you can make partial implementation of these codes? Jun 04 22:54:43 DocScrutinizer51, somehow i doubt it works in call Jun 04 22:54:43 I can - it's easy Jun 04 22:54:47 lol Jun 04 22:55:58 http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2010/06/03/image/295249_Oddly%2C%20this%20is%20how%20she%20learned%20to%20greet%20everyone.gif Jun 04 22:56:20 DocScrutinizer51, it works in call, just call a new number Jun 04 22:56:25 hmmm, how to verify that i really have 5V on usb Jun 04 22:56:33 max madness? '#31#+4199999w*p33'; from contacts Jun 04 22:56:34 without a meter Jun 04 22:56:49 jacekowski, use something that requires 5V? Jun 04 22:57:00 Viliny__: I'm half asleep but sure. Still waiting for your equation though. Jun 04 22:57:01 flash stick + led should do Jun 04 22:57:04 well, i don't have other parts of it Jun 04 22:57:05 * crashanddie rolls a fag Jun 04 22:57:14 * crashanddie throws some tobacco at lcuk Jun 04 22:57:18 i'm just hacking bme Jun 04 22:57:19 omfg, lcuk isn't in the channel/ Jun 04 22:57:21 ??? Jun 04 22:57:21 #31#number just blocks your number from sending Jun 04 22:57:22 lcuk's away Jun 04 22:57:24 ~seen lcuk Jun 04 22:57:25 lcuk <~user@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 22h 32m 31s ago, saying: 'gnite'. Jun 04 22:57:25 holiday Jun 04 22:57:31 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jun 04 22:57:41 he pops in sometimes Jun 04 22:57:53 ~seen lcukn900 Jun 04 22:57:54 lcukn900 <~lcuk@82.132.248.108> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 22m 49s ago, saying: '\o night'. Jun 04 22:58:02 mc_teo: if it really does that's fine Jun 04 22:58:02 crashanddie: that's end of the world Jun 04 22:58:05 2 hours left then Jun 04 22:58:32 hmm, i'm just wondering Jun 04 22:58:33 * crashanddie goes into anaphylactic shock. Jun 04 22:58:38 if he's still in the UK Jun 04 22:58:43 what sort of holiday is it Jun 04 22:58:50 ZogG, any ideas where i can get a bh-505 in il? and don't say import, i have less than 14 days Jun 04 22:59:16 DocScrutinizer: well i didnt try it, but thats been used in ireland for years to block number sending Jun 04 22:59:39 MohammadAG51: il as illinois or something else? Jun 04 22:59:42 mc_teo: yesyes but that's not the topic here Jun 04 22:59:53 isn't the bh505 like ridiculously bad? Jun 04 23:00:32 jacekowski: think the guys who have been kicking the arabs' collective ass for the past 2000 years Jun 04 23:00:46 MohammadAG51, shopping.google.com Jun 04 23:00:57 mc_teo: the question is: has this bug been fixed for good in 1.2? Jun 04 23:01:02 crashanddie: israel Jun 04 23:01:04 MohammadAG51 no, if you would buy it than you would have it by now, and why 14 days, are you gonna explode? =) Jun 04 23:01:22 crashanddie: but they were kicking they butts for last 100 years Jun 04 23:01:30 there was no israel before then Jun 04 23:01:31 nah, off for the holidays Jun 04 23:02:00 and besides, i've read that almost everybody there have polish ancestors Jun 04 23:02:44 jacekowski, and you are? Jun 04 23:02:54 well, polish Jun 04 23:03:06 living in? Jun 04 23:03:10 uk Jun 04 23:03:11 jacekowski: whether it's called zion or medinat yisra'el (or dawlat isra'il for MohammadAG51) doesn't really matter, does it? Jun 04 23:03:13 DocScrutinizer: that was a bug? i thought it just didnt like my network provider Jun 04 23:03:28 rofl Jun 04 23:04:03 MohammadAG51: so, is it true or some bs? Jun 04 23:04:46 jacekowski: more likely to be the other way around Jun 04 23:04:50 what is? Jun 04 23:05:13 that almost everybody living in israel has polish ancestors Jun 04 23:05:17 Extras Decoders froze during update so I took the battery out. I turned on the phone and it resumed the update while on the Nokia screen Jun 04 23:05:58 mc_teo: why do you think I'm asking somebody with 1.2 to test all that? Jun 04 23:06:11 jacekowski: it's a very big generalisation, and a bad one at that. You might want to look up zionism, the first aliyah and the second aliyah. Jun 04 23:07:21 at the moment i'm reading BME code Jun 04 23:07:40 especially the p and w and , operators I bet aren't yet supported Jun 04 23:08:04 jacekowski: between the first and second world war, two further aliyahs happened, which brought another 100k jews to the area, second world war is covered under the 5th aliyah, but we all know it wasn't anything religious, and just a "oh shit, they're cooking people if I stay here" Jun 04 23:08:41 yeah, something like that Jun 04 23:08:45 crashanddie: i pmed you Jun 04 23:08:55 where p = wait for connect, w= wait for silence, and , = pause for 0.5(?)s Jun 04 23:09:06 iirc Jun 04 23:09:07 but the thing is that apparently after 2nd world war half of people there were speaking polish Jun 04 23:10:07 that almost everybody living in israel has polish ancestors Jun 04 23:10:12 the fsck if i know lol Jun 04 23:10:15 i don't xD Jun 04 23:10:28 * ZogG mp> shes.out.of.my.league.2010.720p.bluray.x264-machd.mkv [1280x544 avc1 23.976fps] Jun 04 23:10:51 MohammadAG51: were you adopted? Jun 04 23:11:03 that was stupid comment Jun 04 23:11:29 LOL Jun 04 23:11:37 jacekowski, no Jun 04 23:12:04 how do you know Jun 04 23:12:14 that reminds me Jun 04 23:12:26 couple years ago i asked my parents if i were adopted Jun 04 23:12:39 and they never denied it Jun 04 23:12:46 o.O Jun 04 23:12:59 what made you ask that q Jun 04 23:13:23 i've got no idea Jun 04 23:13:37 i remember that i told that to my younger sister later on Jun 04 23:13:45 and she started do cry Jun 04 23:13:56 well, i've told here that she was adopted Jun 04 23:15:34 MohammadAG51 worked perfectly! ty! Jun 04 23:18:50 so any ideas how i could update flash Jun 04 23:20:56 well, i've told here that she was adopted Jun 04 23:21:02 i wouldn't have done that Jun 04 23:21:12 at least until she's +18yo Jun 04 23:21:52 well, she wasn't adopted Jun 04 23:22:14 i just said it because i could Jun 04 23:22:29 that's... not a smart thing to do Jun 04 23:22:30 ( i have much longer history of antisocial behaviour ) Jun 04 23:22:34 how old are you anyways Jun 04 23:22:47 20 at the moment Jun 04 23:25:10 what brother/sister didn't tell each other they were adopted? Jun 04 23:25:13 heh, opposite of what i expected Jun 04 23:25:18 I mean, seriously. Jun 04 23:26:19 jacekowski: btw, the "at the moment" shows how childish you really are :) Jun 04 23:26:28 lol Jun 04 23:26:30 Most kids stop saying that around age 10-12 Jun 04 23:26:47 tsk tsk Jun 04 23:26:48 or that means i'll be 21 in couple minutes Jun 04 23:26:57 well, in 30 days Jun 04 23:27:06 in a couple months, will you say 20 and 3/4? Jun 04 23:27:27 no, he'll say 20 and 5/4 Jun 04 23:27:29 i'm not that childish Jun 04 23:27:29 http://hyfbt.com/QhA9 Jun 04 23:27:32 sfw Jun 04 23:27:56 * MohammadAG51 estimates crashanddie's age Jun 04 23:27:59 28+ Jun 04 23:28:03 50- Jun 04 23:28:05 :) Jun 04 23:28:13 MohammadAG51: is 51 your age or year you were born? Jun 04 23:28:18 http://hyfbt.com/CCjC Jun 04 23:28:20 lol Jun 04 23:28:20 This is totally off topic, but could I bother someone with Internet Explorer at their disposal? No other channel seems to be alive at this time of the day Jun 04 23:28:32 jacekowski, neither Jun 04 23:28:42 o.O Jun 04 23:28:44 i'd need to get a website quickly IE-checked Jun 04 23:28:47 Wolfie: what exploit you want me to try Jun 04 23:28:47 what was it? Jun 04 23:28:48 well, rather a widget Jun 04 23:29:02 MohammadAG51: checks your browser history and sends it to the guy Jun 04 23:29:11 seriously? Jun 04 23:29:24 how is that even useful... Jun 04 23:29:24 MohammadAG51: could you check if *#62* etc works with 1.2? Also **04*OldPIN*NewPIN*NewPIN#. See http://web.telia.com/~u47904776/gsmkode.htm#nummerpres - thanks :-) Jun 04 23:29:28 yeah, using some javascript thing that was demonstrated on slashdot some time ago Jun 04 23:29:38 crashanddie: it doesn't work very well Jun 04 23:29:39 MohammadAG51: "have you been on naughty websites lately???" Jun 04 23:29:42 jacekowski: exploit? Jun 04 23:29:49 crashanddie: it said that i've not visited any porn sites recently Jun 04 23:29:55 crashanddie, hmm, private browsing ftw Jun 04 23:29:56 jacekowski: doesn't work on safari in private mode, anyway Jun 04 23:30:23 Wolfie: i'm not sure if you know Jun 04 23:30:26 anyway, refering websites are forbidden Jun 04 23:30:33 Wolfie: but ie has long history of security flaws Jun 04 23:30:43 Wolfie: and let you browse internet from your computer Jun 04 23:30:48 jacekowski: i'm just interested in how it renders stuff, and interprets the javascript ;) Jun 04 23:30:50 Wolfie: and your computer from the internet Jun 04 23:30:59 DocScrutinizer, it does Jun 04 23:31:15 Wolfie: go on Jun 04 23:31:18 Wolfie: link Jun 04 23:31:23 ... Jun 04 23:31:25 and you get reasonable answer in a popup window? Jun 04 23:31:31 that wasnt very nice Jun 04 23:31:35 mc_teo: we don't watch porn here you pervert Jun 04 23:31:45 typo fail Jun 04 23:32:01 indeed, i'd correct it if i were you Jun 04 23:33:38 * crashanddie rolls a fag Jun 04 23:37:45 ~flashing Jun 04 23:37:46 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 04 23:37:50 crashanddie, (BH-505) not sure, but I'm not buying the BH-905, it's a bit expensive Jun 04 23:38:33 woah, dude that's some lag Jun 04 23:38:42 bullet time response? Jun 04 23:39:36 lol Jun 04 23:39:47 nah, just forgot about it Jun 04 23:41:23 +b Jun 04 23:41:36 i just restarted my phone again Jun 04 23:41:39 +b = ban Jun 04 23:41:53 where are images for app start ups stored? Jun 04 23:41:56 hmm, not restarted, just killed Jun 04 23:44:29 the character c can be '+c. I found just "ccedilla"... what is the name of the ' that can be combined with c to result in ç ? Jun 04 23:45:36 astruasdh: cedilla Jun 04 23:46:22 no, the last char was shown as c-cedillia here, but '+a is accute Jun 04 23:46:27 iirc Jun 04 23:46:44 a-acute here Jun 04 23:48:36 eh? Are we talking about c with hook under it or about an a with an accent on it? Jun 04 23:50:21 DocScrutinizer thank you... I wanna use ' to be both, acute and cedilla. is it possible? Jun 04 23:52:52 SpeedEvil please tell me you dont use irc through tor? Jun 05 00:00:31 astruasdh: nope Jun 05 00:01:17 ty Jun 05 00:03:30 comet_: you bet he does :-D Jun 05 00:06:00 anyone of you uses QtCreator? Jun 05 00:06:45 is the phone application that n900 uses to make phone calls open-source? Jun 05 00:06:58 not last time i checked Jun 05 00:07:19 hmmm at lease is there some documentation about the api to make phone calls? Jun 05 00:08:33 andy: yes, started to Jun 05 00:12:08 Can anyone tell me the path of the 'N900' directory ? Jun 05 00:12:55 konfoo: do you know how to use Git from QtCreator? Jun 05 00:17:38 andy: nope havent done any revision control through it, sorry Jun 05 00:17:57 andy: doing any qtscript? Jun 05 00:18:21 do u know the library responsible for the phone calls? Jun 05 00:18:32 konfoo: no... working to a qt/c++ project, just started.... Jun 05 00:19:39 andy: compared to xcode/eclipse(android) i'm liking the ide, a lot Jun 05 00:24:38 Hi... I've finally made something that put my device in a reboot loop, although it was a simple script for loading the battery module for titan's kernel Jun 05 00:24:54 how can I get out of the reboot loop sort of reflashing? Jun 05 00:25:41 I've just copied the 'welcome' script to a script that does a modprobe, then put it in /usr/local/bin, then symbolic-linked it to /etc/event.d Jun 05 00:28:06 I've put the device in RD mode Jun 05 00:28:09 how do I reboot now? Jun 05 00:28:36 i need some help Jun 05 00:28:57 hey jacekowski Jun 05 00:28:59 how's it going? Jun 05 00:29:01 from somebody who has working wifi at home and Jun 05 00:29:06 ptl, why did you put it into R&D mode Jun 05 00:29:08 ssh on phone Jun 05 00:29:14 * MohammadAG51 has that Jun 05 00:29:26 MohammadAG51: I am checking if I can do anything to remove that event.d script Jun 05 00:29:34 MohammadAG51: can't R&D mode help me on that? Jun 05 00:29:39 I've disabled the watchdogs. Jun 05 00:29:41 hmm, nvm Jun 05 00:29:43 i forgot Jun 05 00:29:44 how can I choose the boot mode? Jun 05 00:29:49 i can do it without wifi Jun 05 00:29:55 flasher-3.5 -R Jun 05 00:29:59 it says 'boot mode: normal' Jun 05 00:30:03 yep, I did that Jun 05 00:30:13 but it is in the reboot loop again :/ Jun 05 00:30:14 that's always normal Jun 05 00:30:24 dang. Jun 05 00:30:29 Is there anything that can be done? Jun 05 00:30:39 sort of reflashing. Jun 05 00:31:33 hm Jun 05 00:31:52 how do i use f keya in temrm? Jun 05 00:31:52 u want to use mc Jun 05 00:32:03 function keys Jun 05 00:32:13 i want :) Jun 05 00:32:14 ptl: you could turn on the serial console and see why...unfortunatly you don't have a serial port Jun 05 00:32:28 there is a serial port Jun 05 00:32:34 And I can't use USB as a serial port, right? Jun 05 00:32:35 next to the battery pins Jun 05 00:33:01 MohammadAG51: heh, only if they sold the mfg jigs ;) Jun 05 00:33:04 comet_: I don't use IRC through tor. Jun 05 00:33:09 asj: they do Jun 05 00:33:14 there is no way to do it? Jun 05 00:33:22 asj_: To nokia approved service centres. Jun 05 00:33:25 xterm doesnt have very many options Jun 05 00:33:35 So, no options to me, people? Jun 05 00:33:38 asj_: I haven't investigated how to become one, as I suspect it may be hard to do free. Jun 05 00:33:44 i remember being able to add macros to the bar Jun 05 00:33:50 DocScrutinizer: naah Jun 05 00:33:55 SpeedEvil, aren't they generic? Jun 05 00:34:01 DocScrutinizer: _way_ back, I was running a tor exit node. Jun 05 00:34:04 MohammadAG51: no Jun 05 00:34:10 DocScrutinizer: for a few days. Jun 05 00:34:13 SpeedEvil: I bet it varies per country, I'm guessing in India it might be easier than say AU or USA Jun 05 00:34:28 DocScrutinizer: this got me blacklisted on freenode. Jun 05 00:35:09 DocScrutinizer: After I stopped, lilo gave me a tor/* mask - as it was apparantly the easiest way to curcumvent the block that was due to an old list of exit nodes. Jun 05 00:35:15 blah Jun 05 00:35:28 SpeedEvil: that was a long time ago Jun 05 00:35:29 i need to find out how to add fn keys to xterm Jun 05 00:35:38 there has to be a way to do it Jun 05 00:35:43 make it work like ctrl does Jun 05 00:35:54 SpeedEvil: haha nice Jun 05 00:35:55 asj: a moderately long time ago. Hence the appearance of Lilo in the story. Jun 05 00:36:05 where it locks down and you can just hit numbers :( Jun 05 00:36:06 flashing... Jun 05 00:36:09 Macer: there was a post on tmo Jun 05 00:36:18 yah? Jun 05 00:36:21 know where? Jun 05 00:36:21 SpeedEvil: I'm trying to remember when he died, must have been 04-05? Jun 05 00:36:44 I think 07 Jun 05 00:36:47 SpeedEvil: i will look when i get home Jun 05 00:36:53 SpeedEvil: ah my bad Jun 05 00:37:00 i am out now Jun 05 00:37:07 ah well. ok. thanks Jun 05 00:37:08 06 even. Jun 05 00:37:38 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=386536 macer Jun 05 00:37:58 SpeedEvil, so it doesn't follow specs? Jun 05 00:37:59 Look at quoles post Jun 05 00:38:02 quaol Jun 05 00:38:09 however you spell it... Jun 05 00:38:10 MohammadAG51: ? Jun 05 00:38:13 i.e if i can get you what it uses, you can't get it from some site? Jun 05 00:39:02 MohammadAG51: It is a nonstandard box, that's connected to the nonstandard pads. You certainly can make something that will connect to those pads if you have the right gear. Jun 05 00:39:40 I hope to be doing more hardware and software hacking, including exposing what the pads are soon. Jun 05 00:40:01 It is not a standard JTAG wiggler forec Jun 05 00:43:10 testpads? you tried to figure what they are? fsckng Nokia EE erased them from schem :-/ Jun 05 00:44:45 afk Jun 05 00:48:30 03:47:32 up 2:41, load average: 14.98, 10.39, 4.84 Jun 05 00:48:37 happens in seconds ^ Jun 05 00:53:10 is media player supposed to play a wma internet radio? Jun 05 00:53:31 Isn't that Windows Media Audio Jun 05 00:54:18 MohammadAG51 I really dont know the acronym :( it is just a link with the file ending in .wma Jun 05 00:54:41 MohammadAG51 probably is this wma that u told Jun 05 00:55:12 never used wma, but i have a feeling it's not supported Jun 05 00:55:22 ty! Jun 05 00:55:36 audio/x-ms-wma Jun 05 00:55:47 decoders-support Jun 05 00:56:23 actually Jun 05 00:56:29 astruasdh, wma works here Jun 05 00:56:54 MohammadAG51 should I download an specific app for that? Jun 05 00:56:56 cra Jun 05 00:57:03 he left :/ Jun 05 00:57:15 o/ lcukn900 Jun 05 00:57:24 heya moh Jun 05 00:57:37 crashanddie was looking for you Jun 05 00:58:32 oooh Jun 05 00:59:17 crashanddie ping Jun 05 01:00:29 I'm getting "bus error" when trying to run erminig. Any help? Jun 05 01:00:30 he left Jun 05 01:00:47 ahh well will catch him later Jun 05 01:01:46 is there some option in the internet radio tool to remove a link, or I need to edit some conf. file manually? Jun 05 01:02:16 what have i missed then Jun 05 01:07:45 * lcukn900 ponders Jun 05 01:08:20 hey lcukn900 Jun 05 01:08:38 heya bman Jun 05 01:08:52 you are in #liqbase too :p Jun 05 01:09:56 i need to do something with the maps Jun 05 01:10:14 whats best turn by turn directions on 900 nowadays Jun 05 01:10:39 tracy misses todd from the 810 and we cant get license authenticated atm Jun 05 01:10:58 lcukn900: is there anything else than the built in ovi maps? Jun 05 01:11:28 yes but ive not tested them Jun 05 01:11:39 but i need to try something Jun 05 01:12:14 if mapping and routing could be done on amiga it should be viable on 900 rlyrlyrly well Jun 05 01:12:28 * SpeedEvil stabs his internets. Jun 05 01:12:33 damn my lighters are empty Jun 05 01:14:46 next time I am on an windows device I'll use map downloader, would be nice to have more complete maps actually on the device to speed up things Jun 05 01:15:06 otoh I tend to not use the map thing so much, since it uses enormous amounts of cpu (and thus power hungry) Jun 05 01:15:18 moh did i hear right that by stripping the usb code from the driver that hostmode without cable alteration is working? Jun 05 01:15:27 Anyone facing a problem with Nokia Messaging these days? The automatic sync is asking for password each time and doesn't actually sync anything. Jun 05 01:16:24 i need to look at osm maps or the data format used by ovi maps Jun 05 01:17:42 lcukn900: not quite Jun 05 01:17:52 lcukn900: it's a bt more involved than that Jun 05 01:18:08 lcukn900: But it's in progress. Jun 05 01:18:31 lcukn900: The ideal is to get it to the stage where you need a F-F adaptor and the stock cable, and it 'just works'. Jun 05 01:18:38 soeedevil cool ok will read up when i get properly online Jun 05 01:18:48 yeah sure Jun 05 01:18:55 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/h-e-n/ Jun 05 01:18:56 ... Jun 05 01:19:01 like it was on 810 etc Jun 05 01:19:04 good morning Jun 05 01:19:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Jun 05 01:19:16 lcukn900, it worked for me, no one could reproduce it Jun 05 01:19:21 Did 810 supply power - I forget. Jun 05 01:20:28 Well - I don't. Jun 05 01:20:35 I never knew, as I diddn't have one. Jun 05 01:21:27 speedevil it did otg, so 100ma Jun 05 01:21:35 ah Jun 05 01:21:41 100? Jun 05 01:21:47 just enough to power some keyboards etc Jun 05 01:21:48 n900 is twice as good! Jun 05 01:21:51 200 Jun 05 01:22:18 amusingly my keyboard worked until i chorded a group of keys and took the drain over 100 Jun 05 01:23:02 n900 is more than twice as good anyway Jun 05 01:23:19 moh you are proving once again you are special Jun 05 01:24:26 holy crap 1740 emails Jun 05 01:24:38 its only been 5 days Jun 05 01:24:43 jeez Jun 05 01:25:03 i get that much in a year xD Jun 05 01:25:23 Do I need to reflash because I'm gettin Bus error Jun 05 01:26:29 opdf2 explain more Jun 05 01:27:09 ran erminig from xterm, than it says "Bus error" Jun 05 01:27:24 yesterday it was working fine, no erminig updates Jun 05 01:27:44 How do I open/read osso-abook databases? Jun 05 01:27:54 tried rebooting? Jun 05 01:28:14 ptl from where and what purpose? Jun 05 01:28:15 yeah and un/reinstall Jun 05 01:28:29 if its just to be nosey offline they are sqlite Jun 05 01:28:43 lcukn900: from my ubuntu laptop, it seems I have some corrupted addressbook records and I'd like to rescue just 2 contacts. Jun 05 01:29:41 I've copied .osso-abook to a temp directory. Jun 05 01:30:08 no clue? Jun 05 01:30:26 opdf2 someone else experienced it in tmo today Jun 05 01:30:36 did it just get updated? Jun 05 01:30:45 Anyone having problems logging into maemo.org? Jun 05 01:30:49 ie could it be a fault of dev version Jun 05 01:31:15 lcukn900: sqlite? it seems berkeley db Jun 05 01:31:37 im sure someone aid sqlite Jun 05 01:31:55 addressbook.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order) Jun 05 01:32:23 maybe then lol perhaps im thinking of different db Jun 05 01:33:33 * lcukn900 ponders it being the sms database Jun 05 01:33:40 moh you are proving once again you are special Jun 05 01:33:41 lol Jun 05 01:34:31 The SMS db is sql Jun 05 01:34:34 ite Jun 05 01:34:43 eventlogger one yeah Jun 05 01:35:14 If only i could set all entries in it as read Jun 05 01:37:18 cant you? Jun 05 01:38:05 not with the convos app Jun 05 01:38:35 Is https://maemo.org/ down for anyone else? Jun 05 01:39:41 downformeoreveryoneelse.com Jun 05 01:39:48 down for me too Jun 05 01:39:57 URL is too long. Jun 05 01:39:59 :) Jun 05 01:40:03 And yes, I should. Jun 05 01:40:33 Anyone facing a problem with Nokia Messaging these days? The automatic sync is asking for password each time and doesn't actually sync anything Jun 05 01:40:48 my bad Jun 05 01:40:49 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ Jun 05 01:41:01 Scifi, worksforme Jun 05 01:41:20 It doesn't do https Jun 05 01:41:43 MohammadAG51: Thx, is there any log to check what is the error with Nokia Messaging? Jun 05 01:41:50 hmm Jun 05 01:41:52 camel Jun 05 01:41:59 not sure how to check it though Jun 05 01:42:20 Sorry what is camel? is that an app? Jun 05 01:42:49 you can get a camel log, it's related to the email app, how, i'm not sure Jun 05 01:42:58 search for a bug on bugs.maemo.org Jun 05 01:43:13 it will prolly have camel in it Jun 05 01:43:23 ok will do. Thx Jun 05 01:45:59 http://www.google.com/m/search?site=universal&client=ms-nokia-maemo&channel=unibox&q=camel+log+site%3Abugs.maemo.org might help Jun 05 01:51:29 Oh no! Jun 05 01:51:39 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org Jun 05 01:51:43 meh. Jun 05 01:51:51 minipigs Jun 05 01:52:09 crap wrong chan Jun 05 01:52:09 hmm Jun 05 01:52:19 maybe i2c borked it :P Jun 05 01:52:23 lcukn900, it happens :P Jun 05 01:53:12 yeah indeed on here anywa Jun 05 01:53:20 hmm Jun 05 01:53:28 how do i shut up the birds outside Jun 05 01:53:43 MohammadAG51: BB gun ? Jun 05 01:54:00 any silenced versions? Jun 05 01:54:24 hmmm sound was part of the effect to silence them, so I guess not :D Jun 05 01:54:51 at 5AM? Jun 05 01:55:38 MohammadAG51: angrybirds? Jun 05 01:55:56 * MohammadAG51 gets the piglets Jun 05 01:55:58 I suggest an array of properly phased microwave sources Jun 05 01:56:30 i wonder if the stock headphones are comfy to sleep with Jun 05 01:56:32 That are properly phased to create a peak of power on top of the bird, causing it to burst into (largely silent) flame. Jun 05 01:56:34 probably not Jun 05 01:56:40 LOL Jun 05 01:59:10 gnite #maemo Jun 05 01:59:25 gnite lcukn900 Jun 05 02:04:09 The mwkn/SSU visibility thread is still leaving me scratching my head. Jun 05 02:04:57 * MohammadAG51 gets a huge knife Jun 05 02:05:11 can get rid of the head part, if you want Jun 05 02:12:33 i installed audacious (a mp3 player) in a debian image with easy-chroot. What I need to change to make the sound work? maybe some alsa conf, I dunno... Jun 05 02:13:01 afaik debian chroot apps don't work Jun 05 02:14:18 MohammadAG51 it is working for me... I'm using atm openoffice, iceweasel and xchat... the audacious opened, but there is no sound Jun 05 02:14:35 err Jun 05 02:14:37 sorry Jun 05 02:14:42 missed the sound part Jun 05 02:14:57 afaik sound in* debian chroot apps doesn't work Jun 05 02:15:03 debian chroot xchat??? Jun 05 02:15:03 sorry, it's 5AM :) Jun 05 02:15:12 why the heck not Jun 05 02:15:47 anyways Jun 05 02:15:50 i'm off Jun 05 02:15:57 for the night, or the morning Jun 05 02:16:00 whatever Jun 05 02:16:06 Night :) Jun 05 02:16:23 MohammadAG51: do something useful, build the plugins for xchat :-D Jun 05 02:16:33 O_O Jun 05 02:16:42 plugins? Jun 05 02:16:46 what plugins? Jun 05 02:16:55 crap Jun 05 02:16:59 5:16 Jun 05 02:17:02 gotta go :P Jun 05 02:17:08 * MohammadAG51 leaves xchat running Jun 05 02:17:08 python for example Jun 05 02:17:10 DocScrutinizer ya... with debootstrap i created the armel debian's image, and then chrooted and apt-get install xchat Jun 05 02:17:22 DocScrutinizer51, nuke IL if i'm not here in 6 hours Jun 05 02:17:43 Night o/ Jun 05 02:18:12 why nuke? Jun 05 02:18:18 well Jun 05 02:18:23 emergency siren Jun 05 02:18:26 should wake me up Jun 05 02:18:35 ooh Jun 05 02:18:57 Night :P Jun 05 02:19:22 I want py plugins for xchat!!! baaah Jun 05 02:20:29 MohammadAG51: night Jun 05 02:22:33 xchat help says python interpreter usually comes by default with xchat. screwit Jun 05 02:24:24 I refuse explicitly to learn perl for coding a xchat script Jun 05 02:36:19 I'm installing a lxde desktop in a easy-chroot image. is there some specific configuration that I should care about? Jun 05 02:59:53 what does easy-debian icon do to start the lxde? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 05 02:59:57 2010