**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 02:59:57 2010 Jun 07 03:40:48 but they're just idling... like me Jun 07 03:43:33 O_O Jun 07 03:44:35 what's it called to create a plugin button to contacts app? Jun 07 03:44:39 Hasn't anyone yet written a tool that would sync google contacts? Jun 07 03:49:12 tgalal: mfe? Jun 07 03:49:34 asj, never worked with me for contacts. only works with calendar Jun 07 03:49:42 wfm Jun 07 03:49:42 am I the only one ???? Jun 07 03:50:28 asj, is it working with you? latest firmware Jun 07 03:50:50 anyone change notification priority? Jun 07 03:50:55 tgalal: wfn == works for me Jun 07 03:51:25 asj, what's asj?? Jun 07 03:51:31 sorry wfn Jun 07 03:51:35 what's wfn? Jun 07 03:54:11 asj, lol got it now Jun 07 04:10:12 I modified LED priority, and now LED Pattern Editor won't recognize my mce Jun 07 05:10:29 * slonopotamus yawns Jun 07 05:12:21 morn Jun 07 05:14:07 smth like that, yep :) Jun 07 05:18:33 Yo dawgs Jun 07 05:59:41 N800 FO' LYFE, YO Jun 07 06:08:47 moo Jun 07 06:16:30 good morning maemites Jun 07 06:17:43 has apple fixed the ._foo problem over network shares in snow leopard? Jun 07 06:18:47 maemites? Jun 07 06:18:49 marmite? Jun 07 06:18:51 marmalade? Jun 07 06:23:19 morning Jun 07 06:28:54 PyQt4.7.3 hit extras today. sweet! Jun 07 06:38:46 aaahaha Jun 07 06:38:48 I'm an idiot. Jun 07 06:38:50 morning all Jun 07 06:39:02 I was wondering why my karma so very rarely goes anywhere. Jun 07 06:39:17 seems I have not linked my talk account to my maemo.org account. Jun 07 06:39:26 I got no karma from "thanks" Jun 07 06:46:48 mece: hmm :) Jun 07 06:49:43 mece: "oops" :) Jun 07 06:53:12 doh Jun 07 06:53:20 how do I join a group skype call on the n900? Jun 07 06:53:33 on the linux client you get this notification which you can use to rejoin the call if connection dropped Jun 07 06:53:50 but on N900 it seems to just appear as a normal phonecall and if connection fails i need to ask someone to redial Jun 07 06:53:53 not really handy Jun 07 06:54:03 timeless_mbp, oh well. It's not like I've needed my karma for anything in particular :) Jun 07 06:54:41 hey timeless_mbp Jun 07 06:56:14 hi Jun 07 06:58:40 *yawn* Jun 07 07:01:51 red: afaik you can't join chats and have to be invited Jun 07 07:02:20 red: ahh a group skype call..read chat :) Jun 07 07:03:15 just installed dropbear-server Jun 07 07:03:42 how to connect now? i've changed root password, but still can't connect Jun 07 07:03:48 Permission denied, please try again. Jun 07 07:06:45 use keys? Jun 07 07:07:26 * Milhouse wonders why people install dropbear instead of openssh... Jun 07 07:08:12 Milhouse: it's smaller? Jun 07 07:08:19 http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/iphone-vs-android/ Jun 07 07:09:21 rmrfchik: is that a major benefit these days? Jun 07 07:09:44 i mean sure, it's a bit smaller but also less functional. Jun 07 07:10:38 Milhouse: On a mobile device - Size _does_ matter. Jun 07 07:11:10 i think on devices like the n900, it's not that big of a deal Jun 07 07:11:53 Milhouse: Not a _big_ deal, no - But it does matter. Jun 07 07:12:04 ok - well openssh works... :) Jun 07 07:12:21 Milhouse: Mmm - and Dropbear works Jun 07 07:12:40 Milhouse: That's the beauty of OSS - Freedom of choice. Jun 07 07:12:42 not for rmrfchik Jun 07 07:13:30 phellarv: absolutely - but since the 770 i've seen more people have problems with dropbear than openssh Jun 07 07:14:42 Milhouse: Probs - I think Dropbear have stripped away all those extra ways of getting it to work, and just have one way of doing "things" Jun 07 07:15:14 Milhouse: Fewer lines of code ~= Smaller footprint Jun 07 07:16:02 phellarv: although a smaller foot print is always nice, i think in todays world it's becoming less and less of a major selling point Jun 07 07:16:43 phellarv: reliable, easy to use, functional, works as expected - those are the kind of features that might be more important Jun 07 07:16:53 Milhouse: That's correct - Not so much a sellingpoint anymore, but effective code is often smaller in size too. Jun 07 07:18:13 having opened 2-3 apps (reader, messaging, media player) it takes about 20-30 seconds to open contacts. To answer the call it can take 15 seconds! Jun 07 07:18:20 Milhouse: I'm an old hacker - Reliable and "works as expected" I do not believe in anymore - I have outgrown fairytales. Jun 07 07:18:22 So, size does matter on n900 Jun 07 07:18:52 n900 ran out of resources with a light of speed Jun 07 07:19:09 rmrfchik: And you have shitloads of widgets too? Jun 07 07:19:10 fairy nuff. good luck getting dropbear to work. :) Jun 07 07:19:54 phellarv: calendar, weather, media player, coutple of contacts Jun 07 07:20:04 of shortcuts i mean Jun 07 07:20:32 rmrfchik: Seems weird - I struggle to use my resources. Jun 07 07:20:45 Or - Not struggle, but work for it. Jun 07 07:21:19 phellarv: you never miss a call because can't answer? lucky you Jun 07 07:21:52 poor me -- it happens. click "answer", click, click, click... Aha! it response! oops, too laye Jun 07 07:22:56 rmrfchik, I haven't had that issue. But sometimes there's some glitching before it appears properly, and if I click then I might click on the wrong button. but takes about 1 second to pass. Jun 07 07:24:06 rmrfchik: Nah - Haven't had any problems yet - But I run kernel-power. Jun 07 07:24:11 mece: i think it depends on device usage. i almost always has fbreader opened. messaging/contacts Jun 07 07:24:28 phellarv: I'm too on kernel-power Jun 07 07:24:53 The only thing that bothers me is the battery-life Jun 07 07:25:06 yeah, that's an issue Jun 07 07:25:28 That's why I consider a solar-charger. Jun 07 07:25:33 it's sad there is no any comments from nokia. or I missed them? Jun 07 07:29:23 mugenpowerbatteries.com has an extended battery for the n900 if that helps Jun 07 07:29:30 2400 mah = a little less than 2x the standard battery Jun 07 07:30:23 solrize: Mhmm - I've had some bad experiences with not-original batteries. Jun 07 07:30:34 cheap ones are awful, mugens are expensive but good Jun 07 07:30:57 looks like their n900 batt is out of stock Jun 07 07:31:02 but will probably be back Jun 07 07:31:19 so tell me, is maemo/meego still viable or is android going to crush everything? :( Jun 07 07:31:46 i don't like google's opaqueness but i saw someone's htc phone today and it was amazing Jun 07 07:33:41 android is going to crush. at least, seeing what nokia is doing. Jun 07 07:34:33 hmm Jun 07 07:35:01 i decided to hold out for the n900's successor because the n900 seems pretty buggy Jun 07 07:35:55 solrize: i'm sure, successor will be the same. look -- they throw away any experience. meego will be new OS with new bugs. Jun 07 07:36:20 the n900 hardware has bugs too Jun 07 07:36:41 I don't noticed hw bugs Jun 07 07:36:48 i heard the vid cam drops frames Jun 07 07:36:55 im looking for info about tunneling all traffic from N900 to my server and from there outside. Is the VPN best option? Jun 07 07:36:56 solrize, n900 seems pretty ok with oc kernel and pr12 Jun 07 07:36:56 although maybe that's not exactly hw Jun 07 07:37:07 ah. dunno. i don't use it as videocam Jun 07 07:37:08 Peedrpo, most likely yes Jun 07 07:37:26 Peedrpo, or probably the easiest.. try openvpn Jun 07 07:37:37 Peedrpo: there is some "vpn" package. dind't tired it. Jun 07 07:37:51 Peedrpo: anyway, you can always set ssh tunneling ;) Jun 07 07:37:51 the still cam is pretty slow and the image quality isn't great, though the successor will if anything be worse Jun 07 07:37:59 yea i just installed it. looks like it doesnt have GUI but i think i will survive without it Jun 07 07:38:17 solrize: true true :) but VPN sound better Jun 07 07:38:37 Peedrpo, hmm, isn't the gui integrated to upper menu? Jun 07 07:38:42 solrize: i don't care aboud cam. really. it's always a shit on smartphones Jun 07 07:39:00 Peedrpo, at least "vpnc" has gui there Jun 07 07:39:07 hmm Jun 07 07:39:47 you may check also vpnc, it may be more tricky to configure, but it's more like "real vpn" than openvpn Jun 07 07:39:56 Surfa: nope. im supprised too cos what i read from net it got some sort of gui Jun 07 07:40:02 ok. thanks for info Jun 07 07:40:22 lol Jun 07 07:40:50 this caption is accompanied by a painting of the sword in the stone: "i would hit it so hard, whoever pulled me out of it would be crowned the next king of england." Jun 07 07:41:05 Peedrpo, check openvpn-applet Jun 07 07:41:13 Peedrpo, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/openvpn-applet/ Jun 07 07:43:26 Surfa: yeah, found it. search seems to work little bit hazardious in this new appmanager Jun 07 07:44:33 ok, to be honest.. I haven't used openvpn, but some people tell it's fine. I'm somehow tied with vpnc myself Jun 07 07:44:49 please, how can I minimize the lxde under easy-debian? Jun 07 07:45:38 Surfa: same here :) But now i need it Jun 07 07:46:50 i see nokia just lowered the price of the n900 Jun 07 07:47:05 i'm trying to resist being interested in android Jun 07 07:47:47 it's very depends on your needs Jun 07 07:47:59 and paycheck :) Jun 07 07:48:34 i'm broke and i need a fancy phone like a hole in the head ;) Jun 07 07:48:40 mostly interested in writing code for it Jun 07 07:48:58 i told the guy with the android phone some ideas that i had Jun 07 07:49:00 solrize: why not try android once on the n900? afair there is a project running, though not everything works... Jun 07 07:49:03 nokia is doing endless experiment. they give you half-working device with root access, while android is far more conservative and polished Jun 07 07:49:09 solrize, yourdoingitwrong Jun 07 07:49:16 and everyone of them had already been done on android Jun 07 07:49:17 and without root :) Jun 07 07:49:33 I need ... like a hole in the head - is meant to be used in a negative manner Jun 07 07:49:42 Because no one wants a hole in their head Jun 07 07:49:55 rmrfchik, yeah, that sounds like the situation. although it's possible to get root on andoroid phones Jun 07 07:50:06 Termana, right, i don't need a fancy phone at all Jun 07 07:50:11 it would just burn money Jun 07 07:50:20 solrize: it's hack, while on n900 is it rather normal Jun 07 07:50:31 You might not NEED it Jun 07 07:50:36 but you do WANT it don't you? Jun 07 07:50:36 :P Jun 07 07:50:38 solrize, btw, can't see any price drop in finland at least.. Jun 07 07:51:01 Termana, i've been hacking chdk for canon digicams but they are dog slow, and the phones are much faster, but their cameras suck Jun 07 07:51:05 Surfa, interesting Jun 07 07:51:10 i see a drop on nokiausa.com Jun 07 07:51:17 but dealers haven't caught up with it yet Jun 07 07:51:35 lol, in usa n900 costs twice less as in europe Jun 07 07:51:39 even if maemo is a half-completed work-in-progress type device, it still remains a tinker's toy with literally unfettered access Jun 07 07:52:02 rmrfchik: twice less? so only 33 % of european prices? Jun 07 07:52:08 n900 is half-completed work-is-stopped device Jun 07 07:52:11 psycho_oreos, do you think any other hardware will run it? Jun 07 07:52:22 Scelt, nokia usa says 479.95 usd Jun 07 07:52:25 Scelt: ok, in russia it costs twice Jun 07 07:52:27 i don't know how that compares to europe Jun 07 07:52:50 495 euros in Finland Jun 07 07:53:07 solrize, what maemo? kinda doubt it, its mostly a purpose built device with specific set of chipsets that fulfil the requirements of the kernel on maemo Jun 07 07:53:28 and i'm pretty sure, next-n900 will be "oh, we stop doing MeeGo, we're doing new shiny NokiaGo OS. So, no upgrades, eat this unfinished work" Jun 07 07:54:27 rmrfchik, hmm, yeah, blech Jun 07 07:54:27 the alternatives aren't any better than maemo, each smartphone OS has its upsides and downsides Jun 07 07:54:52 yes, yes.. excuses Jun 07 07:54:57 psycho_oreos, yeah. although i guess application level programming is probably fairly similar between maemo and android Jun 07 07:54:58 rmrfchik, no upgrades? that road has proven wrong so many times so why don't you just drop it already Jun 07 07:55:20 solrize, how do you figure that out Jun 07 07:55:22 Surfa: sure. i'm shutting up Jun 07 07:55:26 5595 SEK Jun 07 07:55:31 Android you have to program in their version of Java Jun 07 07:55:35 = 670ish USD Jun 07 07:55:39 android with a locked root access, same goes with apple's smartphone OS, windows mobile is just plain crap, then you have crackberry which is more or less a simple cloudlike device Jun 07 07:55:39 Maemo you can program in basically any language Jun 07 07:55:40 Surfa: sorry to disturb your comfort Jun 07 07:55:55 solrize: andoind == java almost. Jun 07 07:55:59 android Jun 07 07:56:12 solrize, hmm, actually nokia.fi store prices are the same as other shops.. so there may be some kind of drop Jun 07 07:56:25 typically nokia.fi is quite much more expensive Jun 07 07:56:26 psycho_oreos, the guy i talked to said rooting the android phone was trivial... yeah he did say they use java for a lot of stuff Jun 07 07:56:33 samsung bada is out too, that might be quite interesting too Jun 07 07:56:58 but frankly i am not sure is there markets for everyone. Jun 07 07:57:05 what's bada? Jun 07 07:57:18 sx0n: isn't samsung private os? i mean, they don't plan to distribute it Jun 07 07:57:25 oh bleh Jun 07 07:57:25 http://www.bada.com/ Jun 07 07:57:47 solrize, yes trivial if you considered certain purposes that you don't require the need for.. like for example passive monitoring Jun 07 07:57:49 sx0n: I suppose it going to be "thing-in-itself" Jun 07 07:58:04 psycho_oreos, what do you mean about passive monitoring? Jun 07 07:58:06 actually i don't know, fast googling on their www-pages showed only marketing images Jun 07 07:58:24 i didn't bother with sdk. Jun 07 07:58:42 moin Jun 07 07:59:24 solrize, in wireless penetration for example, there's tools that require root access to gain raw/physical access to a chipset onboard the device. If root access was forbidden, you cannot for example passively monitor wireless networks without actively probing Jun 07 07:59:50 right, yeah, you can do that on the android phone by rooting it, i'm pretty sure Jun 07 08:00:01 where can I get the source of set-focus (easy-chroot software)? Jun 07 08:01:15 and android's kernel isn't true linux.. so the power tools that I were referring to has to be manually ported to android, whereas maemo being true linux kernel, allows the programs to run provided that you compile it for armel platform Jun 07 08:01:37 ic Jun 07 08:02:07 Hi all! Jun 07 08:02:48 I bought n900 mainly for a few reasons: 1) to replace my aging n95-1 2) that I loved to have a linux powered phone 3) hearing that I can run wireless penetration tools on the phone which is specifically targeting my requirements Jun 07 08:03:06 well unless i get some paying work coding this stuff i'll wait for next hw version and see how it compares... i really want to like maemo better, it just seems like it's falling behind the curve. of course the despicable iphone is in front of everything else ;) Jun 07 08:03:32 does the n900 have a compass? Jun 07 08:03:53 iphone just has that saturated marketing aura about.. nothing interesting to be honest.. apart from the people being anal about their products Jun 07 08:04:03 not sure, it has GPS Jun 07 08:05:23 the guy showed me an amazing android app, a star chart. you just hold up the phone and it shows you a picture of the night sky, with the constellations labelled. as you change the direction of the phone, the view changes. it uses the gps, compass, and accelerometer to know which way the phone is pointing and what the view should be. Jun 07 08:07:02 maemo has gps and accelerometer for those instance.. again I'm not too sure on compass but I presume gps takes care of navigation and directions Jun 07 08:07:16 uh, dont we have that as well? Jun 07 08:07:39 gps gives you absolute location, not direction, and it's quite slow. it figures out direction if you're moving, by comparing successive position fixes Jun 07 08:07:43 nearly Jun 07 08:08:05 orrery Jun 07 08:08:15 yeah Jun 07 08:08:25 that's using the internal GPS, then there's external GPS or assisted GPS.. assisted GPS requires internet access to get the points Jun 07 08:08:56 assisted gps? involves triangulation from cell towers or something? Jun 07 08:08:57 the compas is missing in the n900 - pitty :( Jun 07 08:09:08 solrize: from the internet Jun 07 08:09:35 triangulation would be using internal/assisted I would presume Jun 07 08:09:37 roadi the internet can't figure out precise geoposition ;) Jun 07 08:09:56 apparently there's servers that can assist in doing so Jun 07 08:12:04 it takes less than 10 seconds on a good day to lock in the exact location of where you are using assisted GPS Jun 07 08:12:34 http://www.nokian900applications.com/stellarium-for-nokia-n900/ Jun 07 08:12:34 30 seconds minimum using internal GPS.. so there's a bit of comparison Jun 07 08:13:55 the bh-905 headphone sounds great Jun 07 08:14:38 AFAIK assisted gps works by providing a GPS journal in a fast fashion, without the nede to wait for it to get downlaoded from the satellites Jun 07 08:14:46 oh i see Jun 07 08:14:49 yeah that makes sense Jun 07 08:16:49 but agreed, compass would be nice.. apparently those electric compasses may not be all that great, though. Jun 07 08:17:00 they work really well, i used to program them Jun 07 08:17:01 s/ass/as/ :) Jun 07 08:17:04 oh, ok Jun 07 08:17:20 and the one in the android seemed to work well in the minute i played with it Jun 07 08:17:29 i could move the phone around and see the raw magnetometer readings Jun 07 08:17:38 no, actually it was the correct spelling.. Jun 07 08:18:04 well, with the new usb host thingy you can attach a compass to n900! Jun 07 08:18:06 if you have one :) Jun 07 08:18:20 maybe there is a bluetooth compas Jun 07 08:18:28 wait that wouldn't make sense Jun 07 08:18:40 :) Jun 07 08:18:41 usb compass? n900 has usb host, can it supply power? Jun 07 08:18:52 apparently it can, up to 200mA Jun 07 08:18:59 which should be plenty, right? Jun 07 08:19:26 http://www.oceanserver-store.com/coboon.html mere $250.00 for a compass Jun 07 08:19:37 200 mA at 5v? that's like 300 ma from the battery Jun 07 08:19:41 more power than the whole phone uses Jun 07 08:19:55 they should make a giant battery for the phone Jun 07 08:20:32 i know i just joined and this probably makes sense on context, but $250 for a compass? Jun 07 08:20:33 honeywell has a digital IC compass for 80 EUR Jun 07 08:20:52 bcmm yeah i was looking at usb compass modules to connect to an n900 Jun 07 08:20:52 but they also have 200 EUR and 500 EUR models, so maybe the 80 EUR one is sucky.. Jun 07 08:21:11 the expensive ones are for devleopment, fancy instrumentation etc Jun 07 08:21:26 the consumer one i was involved with cost a couple bucks to make Jun 07 08:21:37 the one in the android phone is probably even cheaper than that Jun 07 08:22:03 yeah, those ones seem to provide various accelerometers too - the complete package for dead-reckoning navigation? Jun 07 08:22:17 i think the accelerators aren't accurate enough for that Jun 07 08:22:40 you can use them in combination with gps though Jun 07 08:22:42 sensor fusion Jun 07 08:22:46 car navigation systems do that Jun 07 08:22:58 combine data from gps, accelerometers, car drivetrain Jun 07 08:23:05 i've wondered about that actually Jun 07 08:23:07 to compensate for noise and gaps in the gps signal Jun 07 08:23:14 in the short term, you'd be more accurate, right? Jun 07 08:23:18 yeah Jun 07 08:23:30 is there anything for the n900 to combine acceleration with gps? Jun 07 08:23:49 (this occurred to me before, along with wondering if cars do that) Jun 07 08:23:50 I wonder how the builtin magnets of n900 would mess with that kind of module Jun 07 08:23:51 but you couldn't put a compass/accelerometer in your pocket and walk someplace with no gps signal and expect the accelerometer to tell you where you were Jun 07 08:23:58 they compensate for that Jun 07 08:24:05 also, does the n900's gps make assumptions about continuing in constant motion? Jun 07 08:24:16 gps's always do that, they use kalman filters Jun 07 08:24:21 very fancy interpolation Jun 07 08:24:24 a few times it has seemed to "overshoot" a turning, then correct itself Jun 07 08:24:31 here's the page at farnell for that module: http://export.farnell.com/honeywell-s-c/hmc5843/sensor-digital-ic-compass/dp/1784722?Ntt=1784722 Jun 07 08:24:39 yeah, i guess accelerometers can help with that too Jun 07 08:25:19 it just sent me to a general page. but i think the idea is build it into the phone. i hope the next nokia has it. it's a cool feature Jun 07 08:36:49 frals: Gotten any further in rewriting the statusbar plugin? Jun 07 08:37:11 hm? Jun 07 08:37:45 frals: You mentioned something on Twitter about rewriting the statusbar-plugin in C. Jun 07 08:38:32 you guys seem bored.to pass the time you can test Qlister (aka the least exciting app ever to hit extras-testing): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52113 Jun 07 08:38:51 yes, i finished it the same day iirc, its already in -devel ;) Jun 07 08:38:57 Weeee Jun 07 08:39:26 frals, the what now? Jun 07 08:39:32 frals: Faster than a speeding bullet? Jun 07 08:39:48 fralster than a speeding bullet Jun 07 08:40:05 mece: statusbar plugin for fmms.. i wrote it in python first, which, it turns out, isnt made for always running stuff as it drained the battery noticably :p Jun 07 08:40:20 frals, aah. rainBOWS. I like those. Jun 07 08:40:26 or rather, importing gtk in a python app thats always running is a bad idea ;) Jun 07 08:40:59 frals, is the python app loop heavy on batteries? Jun 07 08:41:35 for some reason importing gtk in python seems to start the gtk.mainloop or something Jun 07 08:41:41 frals, oh.. Jun 07 08:42:13 frals, how curious. Also, good to know. Perhaps one should only import certain bits of gtk. Or just write in pyqt. Now that pyqt4.7.3 is in extras. Jun 07 08:43:26 mece: so this list i made in qlister, its saved even though i quit the app right? Jun 07 08:45:23 frals, yep. if you've clicked "save" Jun 07 08:46:00 frals, the "ticks" aren't saved. Jun 07 08:46:15 mece: does it ask me to save when i quit? Jun 07 08:46:31 frals, no, but if you see the list in the main list window, then it's saved. Jun 07 08:46:42 mece: ok, thanks Jun 07 08:46:48 * frals is going shopping in a bit Jun 07 08:46:51 :D Jun 07 08:47:22 Desktop Activity is nice - 1 Clutter Desktop when I'm running from charger to charger - 1 Clean desktop when I'm far away from chargers. Jun 07 08:47:27 frals, buy me a mars bar. Jun 07 08:48:44 Duckboot: when using desktop activities and a clean desktop, the widgets don't run at all? Jun 07 08:48:48 or are they just not displayed? Jun 07 08:49:28 Corsac: They aren't run. Jun 07 08:49:44 ok Jun 07 08:50:01 The N900's screen looks awesome without a protector Jun 07 08:50:06 Corsac: Otherwise the effect would be /dev/null Jun 07 08:50:36 MohammadAG51: It does - But it's a bit easy to scratch. Jun 07 08:53:30 the few scratches i got on my screen after ~6 months without a protector are only visible if you really look for them in bright light at the correct angle :) Jun 07 08:53:56 frals: But you know they are there, and it does irritate you ;-P Jun 07 08:54:05 X-Fade; is the list at http://maemo.org/downloads/score/Maemo5/25/ being updated? it seems pretty much static lately Jun 07 08:54:22 Duckboot: nah, as i dont see them in normal usage i dont care :) Jun 07 08:54:31 what is annoying is the paint coming of the keys thou Jun 07 08:54:52 ctrl, a, s and e all starting to lose paint :( Jun 07 08:55:05 or well, ctrl is mostly gone so its annoyingly bright when backlight is on Jun 07 08:55:59 frals: You have sandpaper on you fingertips? Jun 07 08:56:05 no :( Jun 07 08:56:43 http://mynokiablog.com/2009/09/18/nokia-n900s-gps-is-amazing-but-it-does-not-have-a-digital-compass/ Jun 07 08:57:08 solrize: So - Just move a bit = Problem solved. Jun 07 08:57:09 thp: pong Jun 07 08:58:19 solrize: And didn't you learn have to use an analock clock and the sun to determine the direction? Jun 07 08:58:32 s/have/how Jun 07 09:07:54 frals: re: scratches, is that because the screen is tough or because you are careful? Jun 07 09:08:30 well i dont put my keys in the same pocket, other than that i wouldnt say im careful Jun 07 09:09:39 I use a screen protector and I use condoms - I gotta protect my most important belongings. Jun 07 09:10:06 I hope you don't mix them up Jun 07 09:10:28 Corsac: Nah rubber screen isn't any fun. Jun 07 09:18:16 frals, well, my N97 got scratched without putting it with any keys Jun 07 09:18:24 i think it was the stylus Jun 07 09:22:48 lardman: wanted to ask you something about mbarcode, but it has answered itself on t.m.o in the meantime :) Jun 07 09:27:12 several used n900's on craigslist... that's a bit tempting Jun 07 09:29:19 i have made a program for N810 which reads out the touch location on a window through flite. how do i get the binary to run as a daemon. i didnt really understand the daemonization part in the manual so askin for a little help Jun 07 09:32:36 thp: then why do you bother him? Jun 07 09:33:02 thp: just kidding, no worries :) Jun 07 09:35:52 solrize: you're surprised that some guy who owns "mynokiablog.com" is saying "GPS on the N900 is amazing", and his only source is a makerting guy's twitter feed? Jun 07 09:36:23 huh? nah i wasn't paying attention to the amazing gps thing, just that it didn't have a compass Jun 07 09:36:31 is the gps any good? the n810's was famously bad Jun 07 09:36:52 well, I haven't used it tbh Jun 07 09:36:59 the non-assisted GPS sucks Jun 07 09:37:04 assisted GPS works quite good Jun 07 09:37:10 it locks on quick, but maps is below standards Jun 07 09:37:19 the map application needs internet? bleccch Jun 07 09:37:20 the n810 really got me used to "it's a brag thing, not a feature". Plus the maps app sucks donkey balls. Jun 07 09:37:31 my gps on the n900 indoors says im in melbourne which is about 1000kms away Jun 07 09:37:42 anyways no IL maps, so I couldn't care less Jun 07 09:38:04 MohammadAG51: should've gotten the US version. They always have IL maps, ready for invasion. Jun 07 09:38:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=542548 these ppl say the n900 gps is worse than the 810 Jun 07 09:38:11 Are there any devices that have good GPS when indoors? Jun 07 09:38:42 Lynoure: nope Jun 07 09:38:43 The N900 locks on here Jun 07 09:38:45 indoors Jun 07 09:38:51 gps doesn't work indoors Jun 07 09:38:54 I'd say that if you are indoors and don't know where you are, there is something massively wrong with your life =) Jun 07 09:38:55 crashanddie, I knew you'd say that :P Jun 07 09:39:03 LOL Jun 07 09:39:05 ive seen a heap of youtube vids that show gps working indoors fairly well Jun 07 09:39:10 for the n900 Jun 07 09:39:13 Lynoure, you may have been kidnapped by a rogue government Jun 07 09:39:36 isn't "fine accuracy" a lock? Jun 07 09:39:38 Lynoure: that happened to me a lot more often than you'd think ;) Jun 07 09:39:42 zaheerm: how kind of them to leave you with your N900 (it's probably tapped) Jun 07 09:40:08 :) Jun 07 09:40:16 they thought it was a brick Jun 07 09:40:25 the jack bauer/mcguyver use case is practical for indoor gps: you wake up in a mysterious jailcell somewhere in the world. the only things around are your n900, a hair clip and some chewing gum Jun 07 09:40:41 Lynoure: yes, because we all know that just by having your phone on, your friends can track your GPS, see the path you've travelled, and even tell whether you're alive or not. Jun 07 09:41:04 GPS has a built in heartbeat sensor Jun 07 09:41:09 crashanddie: Luckily I watch too little TV =) Jun 07 09:41:14 lcuk: There is always the Chuck Norris solution. Roundhouse-kice your way out. Jun 07 09:41:17 if someone wants a bad gps receiver get an n97 Jun 07 09:41:29 mine was good :P Jun 07 09:41:37 Symbian sucks anyways Jun 07 09:41:46 good thing I sold it Jun 07 09:41:57 lcuk: attach hair clip to antenna to get a fix, then attach hair clip using chewing gum to the GSM antenna and call friends/cops with your location. Jun 07 09:42:09 I can do comparations with E55 and N900, if anyone is curious Jun 07 09:42:16 (had to live with an N73 for a while, but... the N900 was worth it) Jun 07 09:42:55 lcuk: or maybe bend the hair clip so that it makes a parabollic antenna and use it to focus the n900's power into a specific direction Jun 07 09:43:03 is there actually a working method to get maps (for ovi maps) pre-loaded to n900? pc suite just goes to a web page saying "you could get one of these other phones if you want navigation" and map loader does not find the phone at all Jun 07 09:43:11 i just got an e63 to help resist spending the $$ on an n900 Jun 07 09:43:12 (I have to admit an E900 would be really nice :) Jun 07 09:43:17 but it's made me more interested in phone programming Jun 07 09:44:06 Trewas, i have the same problem. there was an update on ovi suite just a while ago though? Jun 07 09:44:11 haven't tried that yet Jun 07 09:44:50 visz: I thought ovi suite does not support n900 yet Jun 07 09:44:56 solrize: get yourself scratchbox and start developing. Then send to people for you to test Jun 07 09:44:58 oh Jun 07 09:45:37 solrize: if your apps are any good, I'll send you my n900 myself ;) Jun 07 09:45:48 hmm Jun 07 09:46:37 I dont wanna 'develope' I just want to compile into ARM form... I run debian anyway... do I need scratchbox? Jun 07 09:47:57 apps i'm thinking of: 1) wifi video camera; 2) book scanner; 3) rockbox port; 4) high end audio recorder port for use with external (bluetooth?) a/d converter. any other ideas? Jun 07 09:49:17 solarize, does the e63 support Qt? Jun 07 09:49:27 mece, i doubt it. it's symbian Jun 07 09:49:30 solrize: a combined email/sms/im widget for the desktop Jun 07 09:50:00 solarize, well there's Qt for symbian. I think that's the whole point. Might not be there yet though. Jun 07 09:50:02 it doesn't already have that? Jun 07 09:50:16 solrize, get one done then you can know how to do the rest Jun 07 09:50:21 solrize: Nah - e-mail and sms/im is separated Jun 07 09:51:18 ic Jun 07 09:52:05 solarize, number 4 sounds sweet :) do that one! Jun 07 09:52:51 Warning: do not use WD40 to oil the rails of the N900... :-( Jun 07 09:53:01 MohammadAG51: yeah, i heard stylii are killing screens left and right, wouldnt know as im not using mine at all Jun 07 09:53:15 mece, i meant that app would basically be audacity Jun 07 09:53:33 solarize, ah. ok. Jun 07 09:53:36 audacity port plus some external a/d, with an arduino Jun 07 09:53:37 Treibholz: :D Jun 07 09:53:49 just noticed there's another sensor to the right of the camera Jun 07 09:53:49 OMG Hannu Mikkola has voted for Qlister! Jun 07 09:53:52 mece: autorotate would be awesome in qlister ;-) Jun 07 09:53:55 never seen that before Jun 07 09:54:09 well hidden Jun 07 09:54:26 frals, I can make it autorotate. It's the root of all evil though, so I don't really want to. Jun 07 09:54:54 mece: tis was well annoying having to rotate it manually for me.. but yeah, autorotate misbehaves at times Jun 07 09:55:05 frals, I could make it a switch actually. Jun 07 09:55:28 moar settings = good! :D Jun 07 09:55:44 frals: haven't you added finnish translation yet? Jun 07 09:55:45 frals, well once this one gets to extras, I'll do improvements. Jun 07 09:56:01 frals: checked out changelogs since 1.0.9 and no mention about it Jun 07 09:57:50 Scelt: hmm, i just might have forgot to mention it in the changelog Jun 07 09:58:05 ok, after a reboot and running the map loader in xp comp. mode (windows 7) the stupid program actually sees the phone iff it has been plugged in before starting the program Jun 07 09:58:10 Scelt: my buildscript automatically gets all the translations without me doing anything, so i might just have forgot to add it in changelog... ;o Jun 07 09:58:17 frals: np, nice to get no credits Jun 07 09:58:19 mece: alright, fair enough :) Jun 07 09:58:24 if using the mass storage mode it orders me to reconnect in pc suite mode, and if in pc suite mode then in mass storage... Jun 07 09:58:42 Scelt: credits are on transifex site! (ill add it when i update package tonight) Jun 07 09:58:55 frals: just kidding :] Jun 07 09:59:24 so is new hw coming? we're about due for it Jun 07 09:59:48 hmm apparently longpress->blue key doesn't work in QTextEdit... Is this so? Jun 07 10:00:32 is the os update all good? any issues? Jun 07 10:01:15 heey! New search functions! Yay! Jun 07 10:02:51 mece: voted on qlister, nice work so far, looking forward to autorotation and multiple lists... ;-) Jun 07 10:03:42 frals, ok :) Jun 07 10:05:41 yay my holiday's 74 days Jun 07 10:06:04 anyone got a good pygtk tutorial? (*trouts frals*) Jun 07 10:06:06 the bh-905 headset looks really nice except it has an iphone-like unreplaceable battery Jun 07 10:06:11 and please, don't suggest Qt Jun 07 10:06:48 solrize: show me a bt headset with a replaceable battery... Jun 07 10:06:50 MohammadAG51, hmm.. I used something very simple when I started with that. Jun 07 10:07:14 frals claims he was a n00b six months ago Jun 07 10:07:26 oi! answer me or i'll trout ye again Jun 07 10:07:39 tekojo, i haven't been able to find one, but most of them suck for multiple reasons and the bh905 sucks mostly for just one reason ;) Jun 07 10:07:52 pygtk isn't that hard. do you have any gtk C exp? Jun 07 10:07:58 and when it's a 10 gram tiny thing the internal battery is more forgiveable Jun 07 10:08:08 frals, MohammadAG51, n00b -> l33t in 6 months.. totally doable :P Jun 07 10:08:09 MohammadAG51: also, why not Qt? :P Jun 07 10:08:47 i've always used tkinter :-P Jun 07 10:08:53 MohammadAG51: pygtk.org Jun 07 10:09:04 solrize: I prefer the bh-214 Jun 07 10:09:10 http://www.pygtk.org/tutorial.html even Jun 07 10:09:27 alterego, it's not well documented Jun 07 10:09:32 so finns, does mcdonalds in finland give away free coke glasses with each meal like they do in sweden currently? Jun 07 10:09:41 solrize: 3.5mm plug let's you use your favourite headphones Jun 07 10:09:42 bh-214 has wires flopping around! what kind of a wireless headset is that??!! :) Jun 07 10:09:43 frals: ye, plus meals Jun 07 10:09:52 Scelt: awesome, thanks Jun 07 10:09:53 frals: unfortunately yes Jun 07 10:09:57 frals: np Jun 07 10:10:23 905's most interesting feature is advanced noise cancellation Jun 07 10:10:25 solrize: :) the small stereo type Jun 07 10:10:29 i have a bunch of older tech NC headphones Jun 07 10:10:46 that aren't so great Jun 07 10:10:57 MohammadAG51: well, Qt's well documented and they're pretty close :P Jun 07 10:11:25 i dont see any mention of bh214 being able to pair with more than one phone Jun 07 10:11:32 and I didn't think pygtk was tghat well documented either tbh :/ spend most time looking at the normal gtk docs Jun 07 10:11:32 or multipoint (that's less important) Jun 07 10:11:55 am i the only who is scared the next meego phone will be "worse" than n900? Jun 07 10:12:14 tekojo: free glasses are good if you are going to live in a hotel for the next few weeks... ;) Jun 07 10:12:17 pupnik_, hm, that's a scary thought:) Jun 07 10:12:22 pupnik_: no keyboard, capacitive screen. no, you're not the only one ;) Jun 07 10:12:26 frals: :D Jun 07 10:12:47 so i stlil have a 770, what can i do with it? Jun 07 10:13:11 solrize: build an N900 stealing robot? :) Jun 07 10:13:19 hee Jun 07 10:13:41 770 is great for shell sessions with a t keybooard. can also stream music to your stereo. Jun 07 10:13:54 a bluetooth keyboard Jun 07 10:14:14 hmm, maybe i can use my e63 as a bt keyboard ;) Jun 07 10:14:18 770 makes a nice toy for the kids too O_O Jun 07 10:14:26 heh Jun 07 10:14:45 770 in case is pretty hard to break Jun 07 10:14:51 alterego, you use pyside, so shush Jun 07 10:14:55 stream music to my stereo from where??? Jun 07 10:15:13 also, I really like output when I fsck up with pyQt, not a "Segmentation Fault" Jun 07 10:15:26 MohammadAG51: I'm using PySide now, but zI've used pygtk loads too :P Jun 07 10:15:32 770 can stream music from a desktop server or from internet solrize Jun 07 10:15:58 i dont' have a desktop pc, i have a lot of laptops and i could connect one to my stereo directly ;) Jun 07 10:16:12 MohammadAG51: yes, that is very annoying I must admit. it seems to be really bad with reference counting O_o Jun 07 10:16:56 also, somewhat inconsistent about it Jun 07 10:17:10 oh well, i better go to bed. scratchbox looks interesting and i may play with it Jun 07 10:17:17 lua seems nicer than python for embedding Jun 07 10:17:26 and webheads are used to javascript Jun 07 10:20:43 hmm, how would one go about displaying a custom message when there is an incoming call, Im thinking about writing something that looks up a number online if the number doesnt exist in the phone book Jun 07 10:22:13 ecksun: if it's a daemon, then look at osso notifications. Jun 07 10:23:22 hmm, okay, will do that, but I was thinking more about altering the normal dialog (the one with answer/decline buttons). is that still the place to look? Jun 07 10:24:45 alterego, i'd use Qt if I could use bits from gtk Jun 07 10:24:48 frals, if you don't feel like waiting, just open /opt/qlister/qlister.py with your favorite editor and add self.setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, True) around line 24 Jun 07 10:24:56 but... importing gtk segfaults it, so... Jun 07 10:25:20 MohammadAG51: PyQt or PySide? Jun 07 10:25:29 I like how adding one line python allows rotation, but in C i have to define it all... Jun 07 10:25:34 alterego, pyQt Jun 07 10:25:43 * Cabletwitch pokes frals Jun 07 10:25:48 Question for you, sir. Jun 07 10:25:53 yes? Jun 07 10:26:01 mece: alright, cheers :) Jun 07 10:26:01 MohammadAG51, technically you shouldnt, we should have a function somewhere in a library to pass in a Window* to do it for us Jun 07 10:26:15 Are the settings in fMMS case sensitive? If so, I think I know whats not working... Jun 07 10:26:16 MohammadAG51: I as going to say, works with PySide Jun 07 10:26:16 there may not be now, but that shouldnt stop it from being done ;) Jun 07 10:26:16 frals, you might have to quote out line 40 so it doesn't jump to manual rotation if you click edit. Jun 07 10:26:29 Cabletwitch: yes, very case sensitive :) Jun 07 10:26:36 alterego, it works for noobmonk3y too Jun 07 10:26:40 which annoys me Jun 07 10:26:44 heh Jun 07 10:26:52 lcuk, I started on modest the other day Jun 07 10:26:55 importing gtk in a qt app o_O Jun 07 10:26:59 but C... is mindf*** Jun 07 10:27:03 frals: bingo. I asked the other day, and apparently I'm not the only one with this. something in PR1.2 auto-caps the settings, and I cant use the shift key to drop it back to lower case. Jun 07 10:27:06 So, why not PySide? :P Jun 07 10:27:16 frals noobmonk3y imports both gtk and hildon Jun 07 10:27:35 Noobmon3y imports kitchensink too Jun 07 10:27:36 Cabletwitch: enter the letter twice and then remove the first one is the workaround :) Jun 07 10:27:46 Cabletwitch: you can write it like Ccable and go back and delete the first char :) Jun 07 10:27:50 Oh goody. I shall try that. Jun 07 10:27:57 MohammadAG51: noobmonk3y was importing pyqt, pyside, gtk and hildon... Jun 07 10:28:01 Cabletwitch, or disable autocaps Jun 07 10:28:02 oh hah Jun 07 10:28:06 MohammadAG51: nuff said, i had a go at him already! ;) Jun 07 10:28:07 LOL Jun 07 10:28:31 frals he still does :P Jun 07 10:28:45 he doesnt import pyside in latest Jun 07 10:28:51 but he still depends on it... :) Jun 07 10:28:58 he imports gtk though :) Jun 07 10:29:02 and hildon Jun 07 10:29:05 yeah Jun 07 10:29:26 MohammadAG51: Or diable auto-caps, yes. Would be nice if they werent damaged though (Not screwed enough to call em broken, I guess ;O) Jun 07 10:29:43 Disable even. Excuse any typos, not enough caffine error. Jun 07 10:29:59 * MohammadAG51 stamps it as RESOLVED BROKENINONEPOINTTWO Jun 07 10:30:19 or fixed in 1.1.1 Jun 07 10:30:37 * Cabletwitch does ponder something though... Jun 07 10:30:55 I presume you need to connect via the MMS connection fMMS makes in order to recive the damn things, yus? Jun 07 10:31:09 Or will it work via any other connection present? Jun 07 10:31:13 yeah pretty much, depending on connection mode Jun 07 10:31:43 Bugzilla needs a THEREAREFIVELIGHTS resolution. Jun 07 10:31:51 I know you have a readme squirelled away someplace... XD Jun 07 10:31:52 best way to test everything is to connect manually to the MMS connection ;) Jun 07 10:33:06 Yup, done that. Jun 07 10:33:47 I'm trying to get Mad Developer to use usb, but Edit -> Configure just leaves usb0 empty Jun 07 10:35:34 "So tell me sir, can you look at your modem and tell me which lights are on?" "Erhm, lights 5 and 7" "Ah, so that's twelve" "Pardon me?" "Well, 5 + 7 = 12" "And, what does that mean?" "I don't know. I like 12 though". Jun 07 10:35:38 Ok, the other thing I wanted to find out (I asked before, but couldnt get the reply due to being in the middle of nowhere with no GPRS) is who do I have to bribe/ask/seduce/threaten to get an auto-caps option in xchat? :O) Jun 07 10:36:20 an xchat dev? Jun 07 10:36:36 caps? We don't need no stinking caps! Jun 07 10:36:39 Names, damn you! XD Jun 07 10:36:45 free dinners involved? Jun 07 10:36:49 Also, frals, it works now! Jun 07 10:39:15 Ah, found the solution... the instructions forgot to say one needs to be in PC Suite mode Jun 07 10:39:58 Lynoure, instructions where? Jun 07 10:40:20 I'm curious... does the usb connection on the N900 act as a device only, or can it be a host as well? Jun 07 10:40:31 to be able to do a dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S with a pythonapp on the device, what does one need for that? Jun 07 10:40:41 Cabletwitch: device only, people are working on host mode. Jun 07 10:40:45 Cabletwitch: there is work going on to enable host mode. Jun 07 10:40:56 Ahh, so its not impossible. Sweet. Jun 07 10:40:57 andre__: the ones that came with the sdk beta... ~/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/readme/index.html Jun 07 10:41:00 Cabletwitch: See http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB Jun 07 10:41:11 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host even Jun 07 10:41:25 What was the "make" tool to compile for the n900? For compiling ARM Jun 07 10:41:41 Lynoure, so this is about MADDE? if so, feel free to file a bug report Jun 07 10:41:45 marcus: make? Jun 07 10:41:52 Lynoure, or the Qt SDK? Jun 07 10:41:54 For development of host mode, the appropriate donations of hardware to test with may help. For example, small tropical islands, ... Jun 07 10:41:56 marcus: make is make. Jun 07 10:42:15 SpeedEvil: or large, for that matter Jun 07 10:42:29 crrashanddie: Somebody made a binary to do it all. Can't remember the name of it. What I want, is to compile my C++ app, so it works on the n900. Jun 07 10:42:34 200ma fromt he USB port? Hello :O) Jun 07 10:43:11 andre__: Nokia Qt SDK beta (if I understood right, it has MADDE). But, just a documentation oversight and I would not know where to file that bug Jun 07 10:43:11 is there a LinkedIn application for N900? Jun 07 10:43:22 smhar: no Jun 07 10:43:23 smhar: what it has to do? Jun 07 10:43:37 smhar: you can log into linked in from MicroB Jun 07 10:43:40 just like that! Jun 07 10:43:41 :) Jun 07 10:43:50 * sivang never understood the facebook widget Jun 07 10:43:58 all it does is eat battery Jun 07 10:43:59 :) Jun 07 10:44:06 * vldcnst never understood facebook Jun 07 10:44:20 sivang, it also scrolls some text in a box :) Jun 07 10:44:27 Facebook - How to ensure you never get employed again... Jun 07 10:44:31 Cabletwitch: great :) Jun 07 10:44:46 If the application list is now rearrangeable, how does one rearrange it? Jun 07 10:44:49 Cabletwitch: exactly :) Jun 07 10:44:58 Cabletwitch: I've managed to erase mine Jun 07 10:44:58 Lynoure, long click somewhere there Jun 07 10:45:14 I got my freinds to report me, and they erased the account. Jun 07 10:45:22 Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, Web 2.Bullshit... all a waste of time and braincells. Jun 07 10:45:25 not 'disbled' but not avaialble all Jun 07 10:45:34 in nowehere around Jun 07 10:45:38 and so the spam mail stopped as well Jun 07 10:45:39 I do no even have a facebook account :-) Jun 07 10:45:43 sivang: Thats actually a really good way to get it nuked, yeah XD Jun 07 10:45:58 Cabletwitch: yes, I've been waiting a while to blog about this to not create panic with Facebook Jun 07 10:48:29 Oh, seriously, go create hell with Facebook, it'll really give em something to think about XD Jun 07 10:48:55 at&t switching to data caps Jun 07 10:48:57 eff that Jun 07 10:49:06 everyone switch to verizon :o Jun 07 10:49:13 need a cdma n900 Jun 07 10:49:23 crashanddie: Pretty sure MADDE was the one I was looking for :3 Jun 07 10:49:34 mece: Thanks :) Jun 07 10:49:42 marcus: MADDE is quite different from make. Not my fault if you can't explain what you want. Jun 07 10:49:57 spectre-: I do feel sorry for some of you lot stuck in the states with those carriers. Jun 07 10:50:22 crashanddie: Ofc not, and please excuse my explaination. Jun 07 10:50:55 Cabletwitch: Twitter is useful - for some cases. It is great to coordinate projects where some may have poor, intermittent connectivity, perhaps limited to a basic mobile phone at times. Jun 07 10:51:28 Cabletwitch: If you've got - say - 10 people who may have computers, and be sitting at home, 5 people 'in the field' - it's really handy Jun 07 10:51:50 I guess so. I'm just basing my opinion off the crap generated by 99% of 'normal' users. Jun 07 10:51:51 can I install build-essentials directly on the phone, or will that cause problems for me? Jun 07 10:51:52 For tweeting that you've just gone to the toilet, and produced a _massive_ poo - less so. Jun 07 10:52:01 mece: yes you can. Jun 07 10:52:12 mece: IIRC lcuk did. Jun 07 10:52:13 Speed: Funny that, I know someone on another network that uses twitter for EXACTLY that Jun 07 10:52:17 I also have - but in a chroot. Jun 07 10:52:20 SpeedEvil, from sdk tools? Jun 07 10:52:25 yes Jun 07 10:52:36 cp -ax / /home/user/data/chroot Jun 07 10:52:54 chroot /home/user/data/chroot /bin/sh Jun 07 10:53:04 apt-get install build-essentials Jun 07 10:53:08 SpeedEvil: and that is different how from email? Jun 07 10:53:08 (with the right repos) Jun 07 10:53:09 Speedevil, interesting... Jun 07 10:53:23 SpeedEvil, is that really all there is to it? Jun 07 10:53:24 crashanddie: You can't get email on a 20 quid phone. Jun 07 10:53:42 and you can get twitter? Jun 07 10:53:48 crashanddie: And if you can, it requires better than the intermittent coverage SMSs can do Jun 07 10:53:53 yes Jun 07 10:54:20 SpeedEvil: actually, most operators will allow you to email phonenumber@operator.tld and the guy gets it as sms Jun 07 10:54:31 dude verizon is great Jun 07 10:54:32 mece: fwiw i think lcuk actually installed it on rootfs on a fresh flash.. but lcuk can probably tell you more (highlight frenzy) Jun 07 10:54:40 SpeedEvil, and I can modify the files from outside the chroot directly from the ~/data/chroot dir, or? Jun 07 10:54:52 crashanddie: varies a lot between countries that feature Jun 07 10:55:01 crashanddie: I've not seen that in the UK Jun 07 10:55:03 frals: true Jun 07 10:55:04 mece: no Jun 07 10:55:16 crashanddie: dont think any of the .se providers support it (mine doesnt for sure) Jun 07 10:55:23 unlim flat rates Jun 07 10:55:33 cdma is lol but otherwise data plan is good Jun 07 10:55:33 i'm in uganda and we're stuck with european carriers like france telecom/orange Jun 07 10:55:33 and locals like mtn Jun 07 10:55:33 and they're even worse Jun 07 10:55:35 they only offer data cap plans because people don't know any better Jun 07 10:55:42 mece yeah theres enough space on a clean install to just whack it and a few -dev libraries there, depending on what you need thats useful. for example to build liq* apps i only need one -dev library ontop of build-esssential but for everything else theres a metric shittonne Jun 07 10:56:04 mece: The idea is that that dir is then a complete build environment, isolated and not having to worry about using up extra space on / Jun 07 10:56:09 lcuk, I guess building python requires.. nothing Jun 07 10:56:15 as speedevil says Jun 07 10:56:16 lcuk, besides the dpkg-dev Jun 07 10:56:19 building python? Jun 07 10:56:37 lcuk, well using dpkg-dev I mean Jun 07 10:56:43 if you are rebuilding entire python system you will certainly need heavy full dev kit Jun 07 10:56:44 lcuk, making deb files Jun 07 10:56:45 i assume for building a python package with dpkg-buildpackage Jun 07 10:56:47 mece: You can for example compile the kernel (in around 3 hours) (though my kernel that I made is not booting for some reason I have not debugged) Jun 07 10:56:49 thats different Jun 07 10:56:51 Wha? Huh, catalogue failures... maemo.org., mozilla catalogue and maemo extras... are they down? Jun 07 10:56:53 not part of build essential Jun 07 10:56:54 lcuk, ideed :) Jun 07 10:56:59 and not directly available for on device Jun 07 10:57:02 SpeedEvil: what's your provider in the UK? Jun 07 10:57:10 because the packages conflict with the shell thingy Jun 07 10:57:17 crashanddie: t-mobile Jun 07 10:57:28 lcuk, so I can't have dpkg-dev? Jun 07 10:57:30 SpeedEvil: try sending an email to phonenumber@t-mobile.uk.net Jun 07 10:57:55 lcuk, I want to do dch -i and dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S on device. Jun 07 10:58:00 Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) Jun 07 10:58:21 mece, would be nice wouldnt it Jun 07 10:58:25 but thats not part of build essential Jun 07 10:58:39 see khertans pypackager for on device stuff Jun 07 10:58:43 but it might not work for you Jun 07 10:59:18 lcuk, no, it works fine. Jun 07 11:00:23 lcuk, I'd rather use dpkg though. ok so that doesn't work on N900 because it's incompatible with the dpkg used by system? Jun 07 11:02:02 mece busybox and gnu tools are the conflicting bits afaik - the debian build system expects real ones from what i recall its hazy tho i havent looked in a long time and am unable to dig into logs atm to find out for you Jun 07 11:02:11 ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <07943894922@t-mobile.uk.net> (reason: 550 Unknown local part 07943894922 in <07943894922@t-mobile.uk.net>) Jun 07 11:02:59 maybe text.t-mobile...... Jun 07 11:03:06 SpeedEvil: my bad, you need to activate the service first. Hang on, lemme find the number you need to dial. Then it's 10p per message you receive Jun 07 11:03:15 nvm. Jun 07 11:03:23 Hmm, bah, cannot find qt-mobility-examples (just individual demos) Jun 07 11:03:51 GPRS works OK for me, so I can do email. Jun 07 11:03:51 lcuk, damn. It would be so much faster. Now I have to move the stuff to server, run the dpkg commands and them move back. Jun 07 11:03:54 so far only network where i saw that thing working for free Jun 07 11:03:58 was plusgms Jun 07 11:04:01 Just bought another 6 months of internet Jun 07 11:04:05 and they introduced it 10 years ago Jun 07 11:04:08 mece: git is your friend ;) Jun 07 11:04:09 and it's still working Jun 07 11:04:14 mece on the server, use sshfs Jun 07 11:04:17 +48number@text.plusgsm.pl Jun 07 11:04:20 to the folder on n900 Jun 07 11:04:26 but it only works for plusgsm numbers Jun 07 11:04:35 * noobmonk3y prods frals in the eyes Jun 07 11:04:38 then just open console, browse to the sshfs folder and build package Jun 07 11:04:39 oi! Jun 07 11:04:41 frals, yeah, I use git for that. I still have to build on the server though. Jun 07 11:04:42 no implicit copying Jun 07 11:04:43 * noobmonk3y giggles Jun 07 11:04:49 Morning alls Jun 07 11:05:05 * noobmonk3y hugs frals alot.. then takes a step back, cos it may have been a little bit of a gay hug Jun 07 11:05:12 wohoooo Jun 07 11:05:15 lcuk, sshfs could speed things up... Jun 07 11:05:18 mece: true, same here... but i dont mind starting the vm to do it :) Jun 07 11:05:21 H/c minus GPS bug is in the autobuilder Jun 07 11:05:24 lol noobmonk3y Jun 07 11:05:31 noobmonk3y: fixed dependencies? :P Jun 07 11:05:36 should have :) Jun 07 11:05:41 nice :) Jun 07 11:05:42 mece its a hack - i strongly want dpkg on device too Jun 07 11:05:44 waiting for it to build :) Jun 07 11:06:03 looking forward to not having to install 20 mbs of stuff this tiem around then ;) Jun 07 11:06:23 LOL Jun 07 11:06:51 frals: probably only 19mb ;) Jun 07 11:07:07 saying that i still have 88mb free in rootfs, so wasn't that bad Jun 07 11:07:15 apt-get remove healthcheck && apt-get autoremove -> "After this operation, 22.0MB disk space will be freed" Jun 07 11:07:17 SpeedEvil: can't find any reference to it on their website anymore. Apparently it was free 7 months ago (inbound emails were free, sending was 10p per message). If interested you can always call them and ask Jun 07 11:07:21 lol Jun 07 11:07:27 * noobmonk3y might actually do that Jun 07 11:07:41 frals: same for you. It's a feature that was never advertised, but existed almost by default for every operator. Call them to find out. Jun 07 11:07:51 otoh i dont have any app using pyqt or pyside on that device Jun 07 11:07:54 Maemo.org is being VERY slow right now... Jun 07 11:08:03 crashanddie: Anyway - it doesn't quite do the same thing - you can't send an email from a 20 quid phone. You can tweet. Jun 07 11:08:21 Cabletwitch: ... no change there then ;) Jun 07 11:08:25 crashanddie: ah, could do that.. leaving the country this week thou so changing operator anyway ;) Jun 07 11:08:27 hey, I used to send emails from my mobile phone 10 years ago Jun 07 11:08:53 only through SMS Jun 07 11:08:55 noobmonk3y: ITs getting progressivly slower to repond to page requests... impending failure? :O) Jun 07 11:09:34 Cabletwitch: PR1.4 release? lol - normally happens when something buig is happenning, and lots of people spamming :P Jun 07 11:10:46 PR1.4? We['ve only just had 1.2, let alone 1.3 ;O) Jun 07 11:11:27 PR2.0.42 - The Solution Jun 07 11:12:08 crashanddie fax through sms was more fun than email :) Jun 07 11:13:12 Cabletwitch: was a joke'ish :) Jun 07 11:14:48 how much did that ebay pandora sell-for? Jun 07 11:15:08 580 pounds!!!! Jun 07 11:16:13 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200479755785 Jun 07 11:16:55 And the last thing out of pandoras box was an item not as described claim. Jun 07 11:17:19 Anybody know why I would get this error when compiling using MADDE? checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. Jun 07 11:18:24 x86 cannot run armel perhaps Jun 07 11:18:58 Hmm, better google some. Jun 07 11:27:21 andre__: ping? Jun 07 11:27:32 timeless, pong? Jun 07 11:27:45 did you figure out 10468? Jun 07 11:27:50 i guess you did Jun 07 11:28:45 see summary cahnge? Jun 07 11:29:05 yeah Jun 07 11:30:04 frals: just did a fresh install, all seems ok for me now :) - also minus the pyside stuff :) Jun 07 11:30:21 oh wow, new iphone has multitasking Jun 07 11:30:27 noobmonk3y: awesome :) Jun 07 11:30:44 visz: so did windows 3.1 :) Jun 07 11:30:44 hey, in depends field. should it be I put python2.5-qt4-core (>= 4.7.3-maemo5) or python2.5-qt4-core (>= 4.7.3) Jun 07 11:31:40 The iPhone can multitask now? Someone shoot Jobs or something? Jun 07 11:31:52 jailbroken.. Jun 07 11:32:04 Jailfixed, more like. Jun 07 11:32:19 isn't it only selected multi-tasking though? Jun 07 11:32:19 Cabletwitch, it's "multitask" not multitask though. Jun 07 11:32:26 Cabletwitch: Couldn't it before? Jun 07 11:32:33 sivang: Not officially. Jun 07 11:32:40 ie, you can't multi-task everything, just a select set of apps? - meh, i dont keep up to date with iupdates Jun 07 11:32:40 Cabletwitch: ah?? What do you mean? Jun 07 11:32:53 sivang , one app at a time. Jun 07 11:33:04 apps shut down 'transparently' Jun 07 11:33:07 oh, it's not real multitasking? Jun 07 11:33:08 =D Jun 07 11:33:11 mece: so it could run only one app at at a time? Jun 07 11:33:14 It's like 1990 again. Jun 07 11:33:18 yeah Jun 07 11:33:31 * Cabletwitch longs for the days of the Amiga when things really and truely did do actual multi-tasking, parallel rather than concurrently. Jun 07 11:33:41 sivang, yep. Such is life with the most popular smartish phone in the world. Go figure. Jun 07 11:33:47 Well, yet another comaprison point in favor of Maemo/N900 for my iphone freinds, although they'd probably never witnessed that or say this is untrue. Jun 07 11:34:15 Cabletwitch: I used to be among the users, did it have more than 1 proc? how did it acheive that? Jun 07 11:34:16 * SpeedEvil needs to work out why his on-n900 built kernel doesn't boot. Jun 07 11:34:18 sivang: Nah, the iPhoners will tell you that the N900 doesnt match their decor, therefor it cant be good ;O) Jun 07 11:34:52 sivang, in most cases if a person has an iPhone and is happy with it, they would not like the N900. Unless they are linux hackers. Jun 07 11:35:19 Cabletwitch: I already ignore that :) so how can you be online at all time and get IMs and smss and emails at the same time? Jun 07 11:35:26 sivang: What, the Amiga? It had a custom chipset that could work on different tasks independantly of the CPU. The 68000 was more of a caretaker than an actual CPU. Jun 07 11:35:41 Cabletwitch: I mean, surely there's an online preseance progam that works concurrently? Jun 07 11:36:07 * noobmonk3y thinks this is turning into #iMaemo Jun 07 11:36:19 sivang: Ahh, certain things could run concurrently, but it was Apple code that could, all else was forbidden. Jun 07 11:36:27 noobmonk3y: right, we should stop this OT Jun 07 11:36:38 Cabletwitch: ah, how nice of them. Jun 07 11:37:03 "We achieve this slick and responsiveness not only by pushing 320x200 but also not allowing non core stuff to use concurrency!" Jun 07 11:37:07 :-) Jun 07 11:37:23 sivang: "but, we're ooh shiny!" Jun 07 11:37:24 Cabletwitch, amiga did not really multitask the other chips, it just lightened the load to allow the cpu to do its thing, multitasking was a component of the OS and the 68k chip itself Jun 07 11:38:26 timeless_mbp: hehe Jun 07 11:38:55 sivang: oh, and "we're clean" "no dirty stuff to worry about" Jun 07 11:39:34 timeless_mbp: no dirty? Jun 07 11:39:48 what's considered dirty? :) Jun 07 11:39:57 pr0n ? Jun 07 11:39:58 lcuk: I was under the impression that the chipset in the Amiga was capable of carrying out tasks in dependantly of the main CPU, and only really recieved data from it now and then. Jun 07 11:39:58 :-p Jun 07 11:40:26 sivang: that isn't allowed in the store Jun 07 11:40:30 Graphics, audio etc were all sybsystems that could function in their own right without having to rely on the CPU to babysit constantly. Jun 07 11:40:32 "we're clean, don't worry" Jun 07 11:40:59 heh I see Jun 07 11:41:03 whoa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=703348 Jun 07 11:43:08 mhm, finally got around to getting a decent cheap switch for my home network \o/ Transferred: maemo5.vdi 23,25 GB in 5 minutes 52 seconds (67,53 MB/s) Jun 07 11:43:25 nice! Jun 07 11:43:44 frals: That's quite OK throughput Jun 07 11:43:58 not bad at al! Jun 07 11:48:29 frals, autorotating qlister going to devel in a bit :) Jun 07 11:48:45 mece: awesome :) Jun 07 11:49:14 Odd... the repos are working again... bah. Jun 07 11:50:14 frals, I hope it works. Jun 07 11:50:56 lol, sure it will mece Jun 07 11:54:20 Cabletwitch, sure, but the chipset didnt do general processing, it was useful to do blitting operations or audio processing or disk io etc, but general "programs" still had to operate on the cpu as normal Jun 07 11:56:17 lcuk, Ended up using pypackager. it works fine for most of my apps anyway. Tho I really hope to get dpkg one day. Jun 07 11:56:51 Hi, I have a problem with the maemo5 sdk. I'm using ubuntu 8.04, followed the howto on maemo.org.installed scratchbox and it worked.then I wanted to install the maemo sdk by issuing the install script but it says: Scratchbox user's bind mount... no. I issued: sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start but it did not help. any idea? thanks for help. Jun 07 11:57:02 mece +1 you arent the only one Jun 07 11:57:06 Oh yes, I'm not saying the CPU wasnt important. But it didnt have to do a lot of the work that todays desktop CPUs do, it could hand tasks to the chipset and get on with the next job. The CPU and the chipsets could then do tasks simultaniously, as opposed to waiting for each other to start and stop. Jun 07 11:57:27 benno2: did you download the gui installer? Jun 07 11:58:34 thp: np, sorry for the slow reply, busy morning at work Jun 07 11:58:41 Appiab: no I followed "install maemo on debian based distros", using ubuntu 8.04 (32bit). should I use the GUI installer ? Jun 07 12:00:15 I have only used the GUI installer Jun 07 12:00:19 and thats on ubuntu Jun 07 12:00:25 not saying that's right... Jun 07 12:00:56 never used anything else and I thought I could help you if you had problems with the gui installer Jun 07 12:01:29 morning lardman Jun 07 12:02:49 Appiah, thanks, will try now Jun 07 12:05:09 hey general python thing, if a py app has a class in a different file, and the classes are imported in a main file, and both the main file and class file use for example a Qt function. where do I import the Qt libs? main or class or both? Jun 07 12:06:26 Mece The main python file Jun 07 12:06:33 noobmonk3y, kthx Jun 07 12:07:07 mece: the only time it is different i think is if for example only one small part requires something (ie dbus) then you would import dbus in that separate class / function. Jun 07 12:10:21 even with the GUI installer I still get an error in the log file: Scratchbox user's bind mount... no. any idea how to solve it ? I had the maemo sdk4 installed and it worked (I now renamed the old /scratchbox to /scratchbox.old, does this interfere with the maemo5 sdk installation ? Jun 07 12:12:43 For this page: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/miscellaneous, phonetic fonts are missing. How could I fix it? Jun 07 12:13:23 I've tried to install android font but it doesn't make any difference Jun 07 12:13:28 inkbottle: ie fix the website (That you own?) or fix it because on your pc it doesnt work? Jun 07 12:13:32 benno2: how did you start the gui installer? Jun 07 12:13:52 Appiah, as user sudo ./file.py Jun 07 12:14:19 then the gui turns up, starts working and aborts at the same point like the text based installer Jun 07 12:14:29 I see Jun 07 12:14:34 noobmonk3y_afk, No it's ok on my pc, but not on my n900 with microb Jun 07 12:14:39 maybe it has to do with the old SDK.. Jun 07 12:14:55 dont you get any output in the terminal Jun 07 12:14:59 some debug/error info Jun 07 12:15:36 noobmonk3y_afk, it is the phonetic information that are not displayed properly Jun 07 12:15:53 it might be a matter of missing fonts (ipa) Jun 07 12:17:12 noobmonk3y, bleh it didn't work that way. QWidget not defined. Jun 07 12:18:13 hmmmm Jun 07 12:18:22 * noobmonk3y_afk assumes there is a specific fonts folder on the n900 Jun 07 12:18:37 * frals trouts noobmonk3y_afk Jun 07 12:18:49 Appiah, do I need to use sb-menu before installing the maemo sdk ? Jun 07 12:19:03 sb-menu works , asks if I want to create targets etc Jun 07 12:20:07 noobmonk3y_afk, perhaps, so i now have to find those folders :) Jun 07 12:22:35 * noobmonk3y_afk mackerel's frals Jun 07 12:25:15 * noobmonk3y_afk throws bacon @ lcuk Jun 07 12:25:25 * Scelt is not afk Jun 07 12:25:32 * frals throws noobmonk3y_afk at bacon Jun 07 12:25:49 benno2: no thats after you installed the SDK Jun 07 12:25:55 * noobmonk3y_afk snuggles up in a bacon roll Jun 07 12:26:21 What is chinook? Jun 07 12:26:32 inkbottle, Jun 07 12:26:37 its a chicken and a Nook Jun 07 12:26:42 combined Jun 07 12:27:17 repo_deb_3 = deb http://moff.mozilla.com/latest/maemo/multi chinook release Jun 07 12:27:25 what do i have to understand? Jun 07 12:27:27 Seriously though it was the first revision of OS2008 available on the n800 and n810 Jun 07 12:27:58 So it doesn't fit for n900 maemo5, then Jun 07 12:28:11 probably not Jun 07 12:28:44 frals, rotating qlister in devel Jun 07 12:28:55 mece: nice :) ty! Jun 07 12:29:47 If i go on the site of microb, i see it's very old and unmaintained; is there a browser that is currently worked on? Jun 07 12:30:30 'on the site of microb' ? Jun 07 12:30:31 noobmonk3y_afk, http://www.walyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/email-and-bacon-car.jpg Jun 07 12:30:31 Oooh! Jun 07 12:30:41 And he's summoned. Jun 07 12:30:48 inkbottle: What do you mean 'the site of microb' Jun 07 12:31:22 you can install firefox, chromium and some other ones Jun 07 12:31:35 opera Jun 07 12:32:37 SpeedEvil, I don't remember very precisely, but i've done a lot of search a couple of weeks ago; it is something at 'garage'; and the last commit is very old: nothing had been done on microb code for ages, afaik Jun 07 12:33:09 inkbottle: microb is based on firefox 3.5 that is hardly old ... Jun 07 12:33:34 inkbottle: if you don't like microb, you can install firefox, chromium and some other ones Jun 07 12:33:44 I think you may have been looking at the wrong codebase. Jun 07 12:33:46 inkbottle: but i don't think microb is that old Jun 07 12:33:53 Microb has had changes in pr1.2 Jun 07 12:34:20 ok, it's a mistake for me Jun 07 12:34:29 inkbottle: also, is there specific functionality that you require from some newer version of some software? Jun 07 12:34:33 did they merge the latest upstream Gecko and such when making those changes btw? Jun 07 12:34:40 but the only site i've found it this one: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ Jun 07 12:34:49 BCMM: not sure, I'm checking now. Jun 07 12:35:12 inkbottle: I think everything is in gitorious now ... Jun 07 12:35:24 Ok - that is hopelessly out of date Jun 07 12:36:10 inkbottle: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-GB; rv:1.9.2b6pre) Gecko/20100318 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8 RX-51 N900 Jun 07 12:36:19 alterego, are you kidding me? Firefox 3.5 not hardly old. I'm rocking 3.7a4! Jun 07 12:36:22 inkbottle: doesn't really seem that old to me. Jun 07 12:36:22 :P Jun 07 12:36:32 Termana: :) Jun 07 12:36:48 speaking of microb... it would be really nice if xmarks or something similar would be ported to microb.. Jun 07 12:37:50 alterego, i'm sure your right, it's only i haven't found where is up to date site of the software Jun 07 12:37:55 xmarks doesn't even work in Firefox, here... Jun 07 12:37:59 i'm new using maemo/n900 Jun 07 12:38:45 bollocks, forgot to change pyside to python2.5 in one place.... ok uploading a new version. Jun 07 12:39:07 inkbottle: well, even though microb isn't the latest firefox engine, unless there's specific functionaily you require from a more recent release, it seems kind of pointless wanting to upgrade :P Jun 07 12:40:26 alterego, it's only i haven't found where is the actual repos of microb, because all i found is from 2008 Jun 07 12:40:52 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/ Jun 07 12:40:53 there Jun 07 12:41:09 so i don't understand Jun 07 12:41:46 alterego, but in fact the only thing i want is to wiew this page correctly: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/miscellaneous Jun 07 12:41:55 (it's an example) Jun 07 12:42:08 it's the ipa part that is not ok Jun 07 12:43:34 inkbottle, what ipa part? Jun 07 12:44:22 mece, the pronunciation of the word in phonetic alphabet Jun 07 12:44:36 does not display Jun 07 12:44:58 inkbottle: The SVN in that has - limited - internationalasition fixes as recently as 4 months Jun 07 12:45:23 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/tags/?root=browser Jun 07 12:45:55 ok i opened the link Jun 07 12:46:08 however microb claims a microb-engine date more recent than that Jun 07 12:47:44 http://maemo.org/packages/view/microb-engine-common/ I guess Jun 07 12:48:01 I installed the maemo5 sdk using the gui installer and now I can login into scratchbox and see the FREEMANTLE_X86 target. Is qt 4.6.2 already installed ? if not how can I install it ? Jun 07 12:49:07 SpeedEvil, thanks for the last link Jun 07 12:49:26 fakeroot, and then apt-get install libqt4-dev, is this ok to install Qt ? Jun 07 12:50:10 http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/microb-engine-common-ext/20090612-49.2/ Jun 07 12:50:12 also Jun 07 12:51:03 Question: anyone have the phonetic part of : http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/miscellaneous? Jun 07 12:52:36 which cpu transparency method should I chose when selecting the freemantle_armel target ? qemu-arm-sb or qemu-armeb-sb ? thanks. Jun 07 12:53:24 alterego: am I supposed to see the current song in the status thingy somewhere? Jun 07 12:53:27 inkbottle, looks fine on my N900. Jun 07 12:54:11 alterego: I enabled it in the settings but there's no effect Jun 07 12:54:49 inkbottle, fine as in exactly like on my desktop firefox Jun 07 12:55:40 mece, ok Jun 07 12:55:42 timeless: http://wiki.maemo.org/MicroB - refers to a mercurial repository for microb development. Where is this? Jun 07 12:56:39 mece, so you have this too: /ˌmɪs.əlˈeɪ.ni.əs/? Jun 07 12:57:09 mece has quit :/ Jun 07 13:01:45 inkbottle, I' here. on N900 Jun 07 13:01:56 inkbottle, yes. Jun 07 13:02:45 ~hello Jun 07 13:02:51 Mece_, ok then :) Jun 07 13:03:12 do you have pr1.2? Jun 07 13:03:26 ~hello Jun 07 13:03:28 Howdy Bub Jun 07 13:05:41 morning guys Jun 07 13:05:51 inkbottle, me? yep i have 1.2 Jun 07 13:06:06 i have been having some problems with my contacts, anyone else have issues with merged contacts becoming unmerged after a short time? Jun 07 13:06:24 "this maemo update requires the nokia software update application on your pc for installation. Connect device to pc via usb cable and open nokia software update application. The application will guide you through the rest of the Maemo update." Jun 07 13:06:40 where can i have informations about that? Jun 07 13:06:47 inkbottle, you have conflicting software. Jun 07 13:07:13 no it's for the last update maemo5 Jun 07 13:07:59 inkbottle, yes, and you have conflicting software Jun 07 13:08:23 Mece_, ok Jun 07 13:08:37 inkbottle, qt libs I suspect. Jun 07 13:08:55 what istaller can i use then to solve those conflict? (i can first remove that then) Jun 07 13:09:08 gotta do some driving. afk. Jun 07 13:10:42 Mece_, i don't get 'driving' Jun 07 13:12:10 and the default installer doesn't give much control Jun 07 13:14:03 red light :) Jun 07 13:14:46 inkbottle, I'm driving my car. that's what driving means. Jun 07 13:15:55 Mece_, i couldn't imagine :), it's dangerous Jun 07 13:16:43 anyone else experienced this problem? Jun 07 13:17:24 to see it I added my exchange email account which also added my contacts. I then added my Office Communicator account which duplicated the contacts. I merged contacts but they seem to keep un-merging after some period of time. Jun 07 13:19:04 is the mergingstuff being synced back to exchange/communicator? Jun 07 13:19:40 it does not seem so because i do not see the duplicate contacts in OWA Jun 07 13:27:03 yay.. ok the magically rotating version of qlister (0.2-5) is now in extras-devel, and it even works. Jun 07 13:30:16 gah, transifex allows people to overwrite the .pot file :| Jun 07 13:30:42 Mece_: Looks nice (from the screenshots) think I may actually have to stop using conboy for my shoppinglist ;) Jun 07 13:30:53 haj, :) Jun 07 13:31:53 haj, I made it out of personal need :) It's pretty convenient. Jun 07 13:32:02 haj, vote if you like it. Jun 07 13:32:15 lol Termana !!! nice link! Jun 07 13:33:04 is there a reason why weatherbug isn't available when i go to the ovi store on the n900? Jun 07 13:33:08 how the hell do i delete this stupid mms connection the phone keeps trying to connect to? Jun 07 13:33:23 i guess it is a remenant of when i tried fmms Jun 07 13:33:41 fapn lets you delete it Jun 07 13:33:58 and i cant find out how to delete it or to stop the phone from trying to connect to it Jun 07 13:34:37 pigeon perhaps it's non free? Jun 07 13:34:38 pigeon: because it's in the maem repositoty ? Jun 07 13:34:41 Mece_: it seems a bit silly it doesn't fill out the screen in horizontal mode. Jun 07 13:35:23 frals: ok Jun 07 13:35:27 will try it out Jun 07 13:35:48 Macer: otherwise let me know and ill guide you throu removing it manually Jun 07 13:36:00 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout Jun 07 13:38:39 noobmonk3y: morning Jun 07 13:38:52 * lardman decides to change his status to match what he's doing Jun 07 13:39:07 at least people will know I won't reply then :) Jun 07 13:39:07 lol frals , just seen the tweet - investimagating Jun 07 13:39:11 * noobmonk3y waves! Jun 07 13:41:56 * MohammadAG51 stabs noobmonk3y Jun 07 13:42:20 * noobmonk3y thinks that was a bit hardh! Jun 07 13:42:23 harsh* Jun 07 13:42:38 :( Jun 07 13:42:40 banana? Jun 07 13:42:44 question about maemo5 sdk: can I have audio input when I start an audio app within the sdk ? the app starts but then I get an error:: Alsa lib pulse.c: PulseAudio: unable to connect: connection refused: and then : Unable to open input device "default" Jun 07 13:43:08 afaik there's no audio output from the sdk Jun 07 13:43:27 it's weird though, i don't see weatherbug in app manager either Jun 07 13:43:33 though apt-cache search shows it Jun 07 13:43:33 lol Jun 07 13:43:38 any idea how to fix this ? I think I don't have pulse audio on the host running. do I need to start the pulse audio on the host ? Jun 07 13:44:49 Yay, resizable desktop widgets are so much easier in PR1.2 Jun 07 13:45:48 and i can't apt-get install weatherbug, it just gives me E: Handler silently failed Jun 07 13:46:14 if i browse the ovi store on my desktop, i can find weatherbug. Jun 07 13:46:20 which is also weird Jun 07 13:46:23 pigeon: you need to use OVI store Jun 07 13:46:38 pigeon: just google it... that's what I did.. ;) Jun 07 13:46:44 haj: but then i can't find it using ovi store on the n900 Jun 07 13:46:59 http://store.ovi.com/content/36046 Jun 07 13:48:04 if i goto that link on the n900, it redirects me to the ovi store front page. Jun 07 13:48:26 hm.. weird Jun 07 13:48:42 indeed Jun 07 13:48:57 anyway, I couldn't browse my way to it either... I googled it, clicked the link, and then I could download it Jun 07 13:49:34 uhm .. the danish version of OVI store says Weatherbug is no longer available Jun 07 13:49:54 my n900 is US, but i'm in australia, i wonder if that's the reason Jun 07 13:53:23 pigeon: anyways, the handler silently failed-error always comes when you try to apt-get a program that's only available through OVI Jun 07 13:53:26 (afaik) Jun 07 13:53:33 I still wonder what change the region-customized firmwares do Jun 07 13:53:35 does anyone know? Jun 07 13:54:16 pigeon: do you have the right repos? Jun 07 13:54:20 frals: building a non-pysided version - that stuff is evil, it refuses to be removed! Jun 07 13:54:42 noobmonk3y: what's the problem with pyside? too big? Jun 07 13:54:47 not needed :) Jun 07 13:56:23 * noobmonk3y has sent the new version to the autobuilder Jun 07 13:56:29 with added qwerty12 goodness Jun 07 13:56:44 I am experiencing some trouble to get my package listed in the app manager Jun 07 13:56:47 ooo fmms in the build queue Jun 07 13:56:55 calvaris: which package? Jun 07 13:56:56 and it has already the Section: user/multimedia Jun 07 13:57:00 mafw-grilo-source Jun 07 13:57:52 * noobmonk3y is just looking at the mafw-grilo-source files hold on Jun 07 13:58:56 hmmmm no idea Jun 07 14:00:10 it was wrong the first time Jun 07 14:00:23 then I uploaded the second version with the right section Jun 07 14:00:31 but it does not appear yet Jun 07 14:00:52 it seems that the package has the wrong section, though the code I uploaded the second time is right Jun 07 14:01:10 calvaris, link me to the maemo.org/packages page Jun 07 14:01:12 when did you upload? Jun 07 14:01:37 hmm: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=702017&postcount=43 Jun 07 14:01:39 http://maemo.org/packages/view/mafw-grilo-source/ Jun 07 14:02:34 noobmonk3y: I uploaded last week, don't remember when exactly Jun 07 14:02:51 hmm should be in there by now Jun 07 14:03:03 assuming the latest ver is - mafw-grilo-source 0.1.0-2 Jun 07 14:03:16 noobmonk3y: yes, it is the last one Jun 07 14:03:27 but there it says Section: libs Jun 07 14:03:33 and I changed it to user/multimedia Jun 07 14:03:56 hmm tried a re-upload did you say> Jun 07 14:04:29 auto-builder does sometimes have fun :P - the code and category looks fine to me, maybe X-Fade can have a buthers :) Jun 07 14:04:35 butchers* Jun 07 14:04:39 wtf is up with my typing these days Jun 07 14:04:52 X-Fade: ? Jun 07 14:05:04 Looking. Jun 07 14:05:07 thx Jun 07 14:05:36 that method worked. Jun 07 14:05:38 weird. Jun 07 14:05:54 X-Fade: = god amongst us mere mortals.... or at least a clever person who knows what he is talking about :) Jun 07 14:06:33 Well, I actually think that Packages is right ;) Jun 07 14:06:41 it's in libs Jun 07 14:06:45 X-Fade: what do you mean? Jun 07 14:06:47 This really should not be a user/* library ;) Jun 07 14:07:09 :) Jun 07 14:07:13 It should be a dependency for something else, not an install target on it's own? Jun 07 14:07:45 X-Fade: so I have to create a meta package just for that? Jun 07 14:08:02 calvaris: Why would your mother or uncle install this package? Jun 07 14:08:13 From AM that is. Jun 07 14:08:47 because it provides plugins for the media player Jun 07 14:09:06 it is a lib, but with plugins that the media player will use Jun 07 14:09:11 Ah, ok. I thought it provided plugins for grillo. Jun 07 14:09:18 So the other way around ;) Jun 07 14:09:36 grilo has its own packages Jun 07 14:11:16 GAN900: +1 on MWKN Jun 07 14:11:40 X-Fade: so what do you mean with the other way around? Jun 07 14:12:57 innnnnnnnnnteresting Jun 07 14:13:14 FMTx is not usable when a usb cable is in using mass storage mode, didnt know that Jun 07 14:13:29 calvaris: Is 0.1.0-2 the latest version? Jun 07 14:13:36 X-Fade: yep Jun 07 14:13:45 calvaris: Check the deb then ;) Jun 07 14:13:47 calvaris: Section: libs Jun 07 14:14:10 it has the right one in the debian control Jun 07 14:14:13 calvaris: That is what I see in the actual armel deb. Jun 07 14:14:34 X-Fade: I also see that, but that's not what is in the code Jun 07 14:15:01 is it just me or is gtalk acting strange for anybody else? Jun 07 14:15:03 calvaris: Well, then it is not Packages at fault ;) Jun 07 14:15:12 today it just keeps disconnecting and stuff Jun 07 14:15:33 calvaris: Your source is also libs. Jun 07 14:16:01 calvaris: Check after Package: Jun 07 14:17:05 my source is not libs Jun 07 14:17:10 It is. Jun 07 14:17:14 where Jun 07 14:17:26 I downloaded the code and the debian/control is right Jun 07 14:17:32 Check your control file line 11 Jun 07 14:18:14 oh f.ck! Jun 07 14:18:20 lol Jun 07 14:18:21 I feel this is a case of PEBCAK ;) Jun 07 14:18:25 * noobmonk3y grins Jun 07 14:18:29 PEBCAK? Jun 07 14:18:44 "Problem Exists between Chair and Keyboard" Jun 07 14:18:50 * noobmonk3y lol's Jun 07 14:18:51 lol Jun 07 14:19:06 * noobmonk3y grins Jun 07 14:19:07 Those are the best problems... Jun 07 14:19:14 easily fixed, usually :) Jun 07 14:19:16 thanks X-Fade, sometimes common sense is all that is needed :) Jun 07 14:22:32 X-Fade: ping Jun 07 14:23:03 X-Fade: problems with garage mail delivery :-/ could you look into it? Jun 07 14:24:50 DocScrutinizer: Specific examples? Jun 07 14:25:25 sure, got two delivery-failed mails Jun 07 14:29:02 gaaaaaaaah why isnt dh_pysupport working properly all of a sudden! Jun 07 14:29:15 old debhelper? Jun 07 14:30:10 nvm, "all of a sudden" suggests it worked before Jun 07 14:30:45 yeah Jun 07 14:30:53 about 6 versions Jun 07 14:31:14 http://themeegoblog.com/2010/06/06/a-replacement-for-the-inbuilt-calendar-widget-is-here-its-awesome/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoCentral+%28The+MeeGo+Blog%29 Jun 07 14:31:38 I mean - I can see why nokia wouldn't want to do very complex software - but this isn't that. Jun 07 14:31:54 yay tried first video call, seemed to work, although I don't see a "video call" option to initiate one, I just pressed the "Camera" button after connecting a normal voice call Jun 07 14:33:03 (on skype) Jun 07 14:40:08 ~hail open source Jun 07 14:40:24 cal-home-widget with 7 rows looks great Jun 07 14:40:33 * infobot bows down to open source and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 07 14:42:00 SpeedEvil: wow, awesome Jun 07 14:42:34 cal-home-widget? Jun 07 14:42:54 Corsac: see SpeedEvil 's url above Jun 07 14:43:57 hmhm, looks nice Jun 07 14:44:06 though it doesn't seem to display tasks Jun 07 14:45:06 * TriztFromWork wants to go home Jun 07 14:45:13 cd Jun 07 14:46:52 Corsac: it does not display tasks indeed Jun 07 14:47:03 * haj gets up and goes home Jun 07 14:47:13 sorry Trizt :) Jun 07 14:52:14 hello maemo :) Jun 07 14:52:32 * noobmonk3y looks at maemo waving at wazd Jun 07 14:53:28 lol Jun 07 14:55:15 ~wave Jun 07 14:55:17 * infobot waves goodbye. Jun 07 14:55:25 ~wave wazd Jun 07 14:55:27 Bye, wazd Jun 07 14:55:29 hmhm Jun 07 14:55:33 why “bye” Jun 07 14:55:35 hm. my local archive of debs has ~6500 files Jun 07 14:55:47 quite lot passed though my n900 Jun 07 14:55:49 cya, infobot :) Jun 07 14:56:05 Corsac: maybe because waving is associated to leaving usually? Jun 07 15:21:40 hey all Jun 07 15:25:45 Working on the last feature before I repackage this to extras-devel :) Jun 07 15:26:43 alterego, the im updater doesn't clear the status when the music player's closed Jun 07 15:26:52 alterego: no fuzzy threatening please :-P Jun 07 15:27:18 MohammadAG51: that is one of the features I've added :P Jun 07 15:27:29 alterego, cool Jun 07 15:27:30 stop/pause now restore IM status Jun 07 15:27:39 I was listening to the same song all night the other day Jun 07 15:27:41 xD Jun 07 15:27:47 Heh Jun 07 15:28:06 I've also added debouncing for fast skipping of tracks, now there's a 5 second debounce period before it actually updates your status Jun 07 15:28:33 Also added a button to enable/disable the service Jun 07 15:28:51 And a load of refactoring Jun 07 15:28:54 why? Jun 07 15:29:00 there's a 5 second debounce period before it actually updates your status Jun 07 15:29:40 MohammadAG51: well, I didn't like it updating the status whilst you were skipping through tracks, and apparently I crashed someones msn pecan plugin, or something. Jun 07 15:30:05 lol Jun 07 15:30:17 It also no replaces with '' if title/artist meta data is unavailable. Jun 07 15:30:22 s/no/now/ Jun 07 15:30:22 alterego meant: It also now replaces with '' if title/artist meta data is unavailable. Jun 07 15:32:40 Anyhow, gonna push it into extras-devel in an hour or so, once I've finished repackaging it. Jun 07 15:32:59 Then, I've been using it myself, so if I don't see any problems, I'll push it to testing in the next couple of days Jun 07 15:33:09 :) Jun 07 15:33:38 I'd push it straight to testing, but I think that's bad form really :) Jun 07 15:33:48 Should give it a little grace period in devel Jun 07 15:34:24 yeah, to see if it makes devices implode Jun 07 15:38:06 Anyone here alive? *poke* Jun 07 15:39:32 X-Fade: mail issue seems to be fixed. Thanks :-) Jun 07 15:40:23 * noobmonk3y is back Jun 07 15:40:46 alterego: bad form? you can push it to testing whenever you want! lol Jun 07 15:42:14 X-Fade: though I doubt the Jun 07 15:42:17 Or by replying to this e-mail entering your response between the following markers: Jun 07 15:42:18 #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ Jun 07 15:42:20 (enter your response here) Jun 07 15:42:21 #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ Jun 07 15:42:40 part will work, for answering to noreply@garage.org Jun 07 15:43:24 Can anyone spare a couple minutes of their time? Jun 07 15:43:51 I'm looking to get some information for my N810 Jun 07 15:45:12 I am creating my own remote with IRreco but I can't find the model of my TV on the download list. What do I do? Jun 07 15:45:30 jperez26: just ask Jun 07 15:45:45 Oh, right Jun 07 15:46:22 Well, I haven't used my N810 in a while nor have I really lurked the Maemo Talk forums since the release of the N900 Jun 07 15:47:06 MOUD: find a compatible remote (using same chipset), or create your own config by recording the original remote. See LIRC homepage for details Jun 07 15:47:24 I'm looking to bring new life to my N810 and was either looking to get Mer or something else along those lines, but I see the Mer project was scrapped in favor of MeeGo, which doesn't seem to be N8x0-friendly Jun 07 15:47:36 DocScrutinizer: Nice, tks :) Jun 07 15:48:24 jperez26: for meego /join #meego Jun 07 15:49:10 jperez26: mer is actually "dead" - ask Stskeeps Jun 07 15:49:29 Yeah, I kinda got that from the Mer site, which is a shame really Jun 07 15:49:35 * MohammadAG51 resurructs Mer Jun 07 15:49:40 lol Jun 07 15:49:50 DocScrutinizer, never kill a project Jun 07 15:49:53 it's a bad step Jun 07 15:50:29 mer has become meego, which isn't exactly N8x0 unfriendly Jun 07 15:50:33 ask Stskeeps Jun 07 15:50:45 that's not *my* domain Jun 07 15:50:51 My overall question is what are my options for my N810? I was ready to sell it a few months ago, but changed my mind Jun 07 15:50:59 AND that sounds like a good idea Jun 07 15:51:22 DocScrutinizer, well you killed another project Jun 07 15:51:28 i just forgot the channel name Jun 07 15:51:31 I'm frequently using my N810, with diablo Jun 07 15:51:41 I don't actually know what to do about my N810, I keep looking at it and feeling sad :D Jun 07 15:51:48 * DocScrutinizer kills MohammadAG51 Jun 07 15:51:55 I like Diablo, but I also liked the concept and overall idea of Mer Jun 07 15:51:59 oi! i'm not a project Jun 07 15:52:19 MohammadAG51: don't spread lies! Jun 07 15:52:45 If I could afford an N900, I would, but sadly, I'm a cheap bastard Jun 07 15:54:17 * MohammadAG51 slaps DocScrutinizer Jun 07 15:54:29 Swa one go on ebay for #200 yesterday :) Jun 07 15:54:32 getting cheaper :) Jun 07 15:55:02 I got an unused packaged spare in my drawer ;-D Jun 07 15:55:03 Actually, the N810 might make a nice Alarm clock/Photo-Frame Jun 07 15:55:09 And Alarm Radio .. Jun 07 15:55:51 and whatnot... should get another 5 Jun 07 15:55:57 ... Jun 07 15:56:07 DocScrutinizer, i can haz it? Jun 07 15:56:14 NOPE Jun 07 15:56:20 as a memory for my after life Jun 07 15:56:22 aww Jun 07 15:56:28 * MohammadAG51 kicks DocScrutinizer Jun 07 15:58:06 All qwerty12 ever seems to post anymore are super offensive comments. Jun 07 15:58:25 duh... where? Jun 07 15:58:27 Diablo one? Jun 07 15:58:31 he has a point lol Jun 07 15:59:28 GAN900: I have to admit - that's one post that really has made me chuckle :P Jun 07 15:59:49 noobmonk3y, I was gonna thank him :P Jun 07 15:59:50 and he's done nothing but help me in the healthcheck threads lol :P Jun 07 15:59:57 MohammadAG51: he deserves a medal..... Jun 07 15:59:58 then i realized it would be... Jun 07 16:00:00 awkward Jun 07 16:00:03 lol Jun 07 16:01:49 MohammadAG51: don't worry. You can remove thanks Jun 07 16:02:03 DocScrutinizer, I know Jun 07 16:02:07 but it's still awkward Jun 07 16:02:12 :-P Jun 07 16:03:15 infobot, attack DocScrutinizer Jun 07 16:03:16 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing DocScrutinizer Jun 07 16:03:30 ~die Jun 07 16:03:31 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Jun 07 16:03:45 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jun 07 16:04:17 TWO!! Jun 07 16:04:30 * MohammadAG51 resurructs infobot Jun 07 16:04:31 that's really amazing Jun 07 16:04:36 thanks Jun 07 16:04:55 infobot, fsck noobmonk3y Jun 07 16:04:56 e2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains idiots! Jun 07 16:05:21 DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the info about MeeGo. Still in very early development, but looks really promising Jun 07 16:05:30 yw Jun 07 16:06:01 afk, bbl Jun 07 16:07:01 Anyone heard anything about Ubuntu-n8x0 or even deblet? Everything seems to be for the N900 nowadays, which is a good thing don't get me wrong, but wondering about continuing developement of those on the N8x0 Jun 07 16:09:27 jperez26: N8x0 is reduced to MeeGo and Gentoo Jun 07 16:09:41 both in-progress ports Jun 07 16:10:00 Gentoo works the most right now afaik Jun 07 16:10:01 Yeah, read up on MeeGo, but didn't know about a Gentoo port Jun 07 16:10:04 Hmm Jun 07 16:10:46 I also saw b-man's Fedora-arm project. Looks very promising, unless that's N900 only Jun 07 16:14:52 Gentoo, the worlds worst linux distro :P Jun 07 16:15:19 ~kill MohammadAG Jun 07 16:15:20 * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized photon gun at MohammadAG Jun 07 16:15:23 who was it that called it wastedlifetoo Jun 07 16:15:50 can we stop bashing distros and metadistros? Jun 07 16:15:56 lol luke, I see why you encouraged it. You're part of the team Jun 07 16:15:59 lol, ok Jun 07 16:16:11 satmd, it's a curse I'm afraid Jun 07 16:16:12 there's people loving gentoo and hating ubuntu and the other way around, too Jun 07 16:16:30 I'm currently running Ubuntu on my lappy :p Jun 07 16:16:37 it depends on what one wants. period. Jun 07 16:16:44 Brown or Green. Jun 07 16:16:47 I agree satmd Jun 07 16:17:01 I went for the Elementary look Jun 07 16:17:08 I'd recommend ubuntu to my workmates, but I use gentoo for development Jun 07 16:17:11 :) Jun 07 16:17:12 A nice silvery finish Jun 07 16:17:23 * RST38h yawns Jun 07 16:17:43 recommending ubunto is really mean - oops another bashing :-P Jun 07 16:17:58 Hah Jun 07 16:18:09 all distros that have GNOME rock Jun 07 16:18:15 KDE sucks Jun 07 16:18:19 /kick MohammadAG51 Jun 07 16:18:24 xD Jun 07 16:18:31 Ubuntu is like the beginners Linux. I'm still trying to get into Linux myself after a childhood of servitude with Windows T_T Jun 07 16:18:51 ive been using linux since SLS and i use ubuntu Jun 07 16:18:52 Debian won't install on my system Jun 07 16:18:53 Linux scares me. Almost as much as the deranged userbase... XD Jun 07 16:18:58 so i'm stuck with ubuntu Jun 07 16:19:09 Which userbase? Jun 07 16:19:13 jperez26: so you'll like that one: http://xkcd.com/424/ Jun 07 16:19:16 I like GNOME over KDE, but KDE has a certain appeal still Jun 07 16:19:19 * RST38h knows a few deranged userbases Jun 07 16:19:35 i dont have the time or inclination to much with stupid shit anymore Jun 07 16:19:37 RST38h: Present company excepted, I think. You guys are more helpful than some I've encountered. Jun 07 16:19:38 GNOME owns all Jun 07 16:19:44 s/much/muck Jun 07 16:19:45 * MohammadAG51 cues DocScrutinizer's kick Jun 07 16:20:21 pro lol Jun 07 16:20:26 Ah, don't you judge us too soon =) Jun 07 16:20:38 alterego, reminder, 15 minutes till the importer runs Jun 07 16:21:06 wazd: Hey, are you there? Jun 07 16:21:13 Oh, I assume all knowledgeable people can be right utter bastards too, dont you worry. I've used the net long enough to have have the required level of jaded cynicism. Jun 07 16:21:16 RST38h: yep Jun 07 16:21:17 * MohammadAG51 didn't get kicked Jun 07 16:21:21 RST38h: moo :) Jun 07 16:21:27 wazd: Could you give me a little bit of artistic help? Jun 07 16:21:34 RST38h: sure Jun 07 16:21:45 wazd: Need two bitmaps corresponding to progress bars Jun 07 16:21:46 RST38h, XChat makeover? :) Jun 07 16:21:56 You mistyped 'autistic' there, RST38h ;O) Jun 07 16:22:01 MohammadAG51: !!!! what's with my xchat?? Jun 07 16:22:02 wazd: To be included into a version of the Carbon theme Jun 07 16:22:13 Funny, using that too... Jun 07 16:22:16 DocScrutinizer, it uses Gnome :P Jun 07 16:22:24 blarrrghh Jun 07 16:22:29 keep it Jun 07 16:22:31 wazd: Want them to be striped, in some accent color (let us say, blue) Jun 07 16:22:47 and he's switching to gconf for settings Jun 07 16:22:49 wazd: Tried doing my own, but it does not look very good Jun 07 16:22:51 * MohammadAG51 laughs Jun 07 16:23:31 wazd: GNOME Clearlooks theme has a progress bar that is close to what I want Jun 07 16:24:48 wazd: Example here: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/clearlooks.png Jun 07 16:25:20 You know, the only thing I hate about GNOME is the icon grid for the desktop...other than that, it's quite peachy Jun 07 16:26:07 * DocScrutinizer throws a disassembly listing printout of libtool at MohammadAG51 Jun 07 16:27:04 * MohammadAG51 moves DocScrutinizer to /scratchbox Jun 07 16:29:11 RST38h: not sure if it's possible with current theme engine Jun 07 16:29:25 wazd: oh, it is Jun 07 16:29:46 RST38h: let me see :) Jun 07 16:29:48 wazd: the progress bar will not rotate, but the static striped bar is ok too Jun 07 16:30:43 * jperez26 waits for n810 to charge some more... Jun 07 16:31:58 RST38h: then I don't see any problems :) Jun 07 16:32:07 RST38h: you need wxactly the same look? Jun 07 16:32:26 wazd: same or close, as you see fit Jun 07 16:32:42 wazd: I made some other modifications to the theme, mostly rollbacks to the default one Jun 07 16:33:12 RST38h: I was thinking about making completely flat theme :D Jun 07 16:33:18 wazd: the bars and the bug with the menu borders are the last remaining ones Jun 07 16:33:25 RST38h: like WM7 Jun 07 16:33:31 wazd: Well, it depends on how flat you want it to be :) Jun 07 16:33:54 RST38h: absolutely flat :) Jun 07 16:34:00 wazd: there is a flat theme like that, but I am afraid it does not look very well. I am not sure WM7 looks good either :( Jun 07 16:34:45 wazd: The Carbon approach, with flat recessed keys and subdued colors, looks like the way to go Jun 07 16:36:06 RST38h: yeah, looks like you're right, diagonal stripes are possible :) Jun 07 16:37:54 RST38h: if you can hit me with archived files that you need to edit - that would be awesome :) Jun 07 16:38:17 RST38h: I don't have sliced theme actually :) Jun 07 16:39:45 a'ok Jun 07 16:39:50 a moment Jun 07 16:40:24 dcc away Jun 07 16:41:24 Mohammad: Looks like Iran is finally going for the big boom! =) Jun 07 16:41:56 they're nuking Germany? :P Jun 07 16:42:09 RST38h: radikal maybe? Jun 07 16:42:19 WIll just email instead Jun 07 16:42:26 RST38h: fine :) Jun 07 16:42:43 Mohammad: Not sure about Germany, but they have got closer targets indeed. Jun 07 16:42:59 * wazd sees some new stuff in PR 1.2 theme template... Jun 07 16:43:50 emailed Jun 07 16:47:19 RST38h: got it Jun 07 16:47:54 nice cartoonish look :) Jun 07 16:48:19 anyone knows of a good playable game on the N900? Jun 07 16:48:40 what type Jun 07 16:48:41 loufoque: mahjong? :) Jun 07 16:48:54 there are many ports of games or emulators, but they key mappings are not good enough for them to be playable imho Jun 07 16:48:57 wazd: the original (by joppu) had a few wrinkles the author flatly refused to fix Jun 07 16:49:05 i hear real mahjong is multiplayerf Jun 07 16:49:28 pupnik: there are multiple games using the same tiles Jun 07 16:49:33 pupnik_: one player sets the shit up, second demolishes :D Jun 07 16:49:39 hmmmmmmm Jun 07 16:49:47 is pyqt 4.7.3 in general release? Jun 07 16:50:40 Hmmm...Symbian has got an Incubator Jun 07 16:50:49 maybe i know a programmer who could implement MP mahjong Jun 07 16:50:59 That is where they grow the hallucinogenic toads, I guess Jun 07 16:51:12 * noobmonk3y prods w00t_ :) Jun 07 16:52:10 honestly, not sure, I haven't checked pyqt in a while Jun 07 16:52:15 lol :P Jun 07 16:52:18 thank you though :) Jun 07 16:52:24 i'd prefer a different style than mahjong Jun 07 16:52:31 pipedream: find a way to make every key and all bezel contain photovoltaic solar panel :) Jun 07 16:52:42 * noobmonk3y blames frals Jun 07 16:53:07 wut? Jun 07 16:53:28 uncooked trouts Jun 07 16:53:30 noobmonk3y, Jun 07 16:53:33 :P removed pyside and now h/c has qt issues with some people, beforehand pyside controlled stackable windows :P Jun 07 16:53:36 MohammadAG51, ? Jun 07 16:53:37 who spells stereo as stero Jun 07 16:53:43 no idea? Jun 07 16:53:44 me? Jun 07 16:53:46 you Jun 07 16:53:53 yay Jun 07 16:53:55 i am special though Jun 07 16:54:08 changed that, thanks mo Jun 07 16:54:09 noobmonk3y, need votes! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fmms/1.1.8/ Jun 07 16:54:10 ~mohammadag Jun 07 16:54:11 it has been said that mohammadag is special Jun 07 16:54:19 :) Jun 07 16:54:25 ~noobmonk3y Jun 07 16:54:31 lol Jun 07 16:55:17 frals, can you get rid of the hopefully part? in 'Send and receive MMS, hopefully.' Jun 07 16:55:26 why? :D Jun 07 16:55:38 its not a sure thing ive realised! Jun 07 16:55:43 lol! Jun 07 16:55:49 mostly due to user error thou ;) Jun 07 16:56:11 hmmmmm Jun 07 16:56:22 infobot, noobmonk3y is a huge trout Jun 07 16:56:23 how do i set healthcheck to require 4.6 .... in the imports? Jun 07 16:56:24 MohammadAG51: okay Jun 07 16:56:37 ~noobmonk3y Jun 07 16:56:38 hmm... noobmonk3y is a huge trout Jun 07 16:56:47 RST38h: what color do you want to use? Jun 07 16:56:53 infobot noobmonk3y is a huge trout most of the time, other times he can be a slimey mackerel..... Jun 07 16:56:55 ...but noobmonk3y is already something else... Jun 07 16:56:56 noobmonk3y: you set it in the depends Jun 07 16:57:01 RST38h: same blue or gray or anything? Jun 07 16:57:02 ffs infobot Jun 07 16:57:11 e.g. Depends : python2.5-qt4 (>= 4.6) Jun 07 16:57:11 infobot, forget noobmonk3y Jun 07 16:57:13 MohammadAG51: i forgot noobmonk3y Jun 07 16:57:27 infobot noobmonk3y is a huge trout most of the time, other times he can be a slimey mackerel..... Jun 07 16:57:29 MohammadAG51: okay Jun 07 16:57:33 so that should force the correct version or piss people who don't have it off? Jun 07 16:57:42 we agreed the other day that noobmonk3y is a sardine Jun 07 16:57:51 noobmonk3y: ye Jun 07 16:57:51 frals, i'm a morphong trout Jun 07 16:58:01 morphing* Jun 07 16:58:04 morphong? Jun 07 16:58:33 time for revolutions! Jun 07 16:58:38 revolution #1: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-pre-rm-eng-1.jpg Jun 07 16:58:51 they reinvented floders! Jun 07 16:58:57 infobot, noobmonk3y is also a sardine Jun 07 16:58:59 MohammadAG51: okay Jun 07 16:59:02 yay! Jun 07 16:59:04 OMG they invented folders Jun 07 16:59:05 lol wazd Jun 07 16:59:17 And Maemo5 still does not have folders! Jun 07 16:59:28 Down, DOWN with Maemo5! iPhone reigns supreme! Jun 07 16:59:28 * SpeedEvil submitted a bug about that! Jun 07 16:59:41 SpeedEvil: Actually, Maemo5 supports folders but they disabled those Jun 07 17:00:00 RST38h: now when maemo5 will get folders at last, everyone will say that it just copied an iPhone Jun 07 17:00:01 * RST38h enjoys Apple-free newsfeeds Jun 07 17:00:17 wazd: Of course. Lame copycats they are, those finns Jun 07 17:00:21 RST38h: pick the color though :) Jun 07 17:00:39 wazd: I think the original gnome blue should do Jun 07 17:00:51 frals, at the moment i just import python2.5-qt4-gui, python2.5-qt4-core, should i replace them withpython2.5-qt4 (>= 4.6) Jun 07 17:01:09 wazd: green/red/yellow generally have meanings, and violet is just too...violet. Jun 07 17:01:24 noobmonk3y: dunno what the correct version is but you specify required version by putting it inside () Jun 07 17:01:30 oh Jun 07 17:01:32 poo Jun 07 17:01:45 noobmonk3y: put >= whatever is the latest Jun 07 17:01:48 and you should be fine ;D Jun 07 17:01:54 RST38h: no gloss? gnome has slight Jun 07 17:01:58 wazd: Meanwhile, our friend Eldar has been dumped (again): http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/681111.html Jun 07 17:01:59 my device says 4.7.3-maemo5 Jun 07 17:02:05 wazd: A bit of gloss will not harm it Jun 07 17:02:09 RST38h: accordeon :) Jun 07 17:02:11 of core anyway Jun 07 17:02:24 oh the main version does too Jun 07 17:02:33 RST38h: he seriously suffers from some rare mental illness Jun 07 17:02:41 wazd: highlights in english? ;P Jun 07 17:02:44 wazd: ЧСВ? Jun 07 17:02:49 the question is (>= 4.7.3) or (>= 4.7.3-maemo5) Jun 07 17:02:53 wazd: ФГМ? Jun 07 17:03:01 SpeedEvil: would you count the fact that everytime the battery is removed, the n900 shows the lang/region/time/date setup menu, on next reboot, a bug? Jun 07 17:03:03 noobmonk3y: the latter Jun 07 17:03:12 frals: well, Nokia said to Eldar "fuck you" in formal words :D Jun 07 17:03:21 frals: and he's pissed Jun 07 17:03:22 mc_teo`: I would, if that happened to me :P Jun 07 17:03:55 alterego: i took out the sim to, so want to try reproduce? Jun 07 17:03:58 wazd: about time :) Jun 07 17:04:03 frals; Not even that. Nokia simply stopped given Eldar the standard treatment given to journos Jun 07 17:04:10 RST38h: no, seriously, his phrase about "I 'll stay here forever" is creepy :) Jun 07 17:04:22 mc_teo`: I know there is a little battery in there. Jun 07 17:04:23 frals: No more PR releases, no invitations to events, no officially leaked news Jun 07 17:04:24 mc_teo`: Well, I've done both and I do it quite regularlary .. Jun 07 17:04:36 pr1.2? Jun 07 17:04:37 mc_teo`: I haven't yet worked out what it's connnected to. Jun 07 17:04:45 wazd: He is welcome to stay there forever, as far as I am concerned Jun 07 17:04:48 mc_teo`: I'll have a check in a bit, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make a difference if the SIM is in or not :P Jun 07 17:04:52 good evening... i just got this skype working here and had my first phone call via skype on the n900.. does anybody know if this is for sure for free? or how i can chekc that? and is it possible to have a video connection ? because it didnt work here Jun 07 17:04:55 As a monument to his own stupidity. Jun 07 17:05:23 alterego: i meant i just took out the battery to switch sim cards, and then it showed the menu Jun 07 17:05:34 and it showed again, when i swapped them back Jun 07 17:05:35 Oh, right Jun 07 17:05:38 Hi Jun 07 17:05:40 RST38h, Eldar is wonderfully entertaining though. Jun 07 17:05:46 mc_teo`: probably sim swap Jun 07 17:06:07 GAN900: Yes, he knows how to throw a freak show Jun 07 17:06:16 I'll miss the broken English window into his insanity. Jun 07 17:06:32 I dunno how he became so "respected" in the first place. Jun 07 17:08:24 Well, his main audience is Russian, so they do not get to enjoy his English. He is still pretty entertaining though. Jun 07 17:12:45 I was sitting in a café with my iPad, and it got a girl interested in me Jun 07 17:12:52 Oh fuck, humanity is doomed Jun 07 17:13:43 http://www.reghardware.com/2010/04/21/iphone_owners_fancied_by_women/ Jun 07 17:13:47 probably to steal your ipad Jun 07 17:14:06 wazd: You have got an iPad? Jun 07 17:14:18 RST38h: that's not my quote ofcourse :D Jun 07 17:14:22 Ah the horror... Jun 07 17:14:27 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-070-rm-eng.jpg Jun 07 17:14:54 err Jun 07 17:15:06 Hahah Jun 07 17:15:07 But it doesn't even have a vibrator motor does it? Jun 07 17:15:47 wazd: http://www.google.com/buzz/100276296790232547755/gTVSfBCwuPL/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D0%B7%D1%8F%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D1%83 Jun 07 17:16:04 Escape is cheating. Jun 07 17:16:25 wazd: Kills 'em dead. Jun 07 17:17:34 Anyone point me at microb source? Jun 07 17:17:43 I can't seem to find the uptodate stuff **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 18:28:15 2010 Jun 07 18:28:44 yeah gyro's for gaming Jun 07 18:33:29 Hey, someone wanna talk about OS2008 Development? or Alternatives for N8x0? Jun 07 18:35:51 * noobmonk3y watches the tumbleweed flow through Jun 07 18:37:06 Ok, there is one good thing about this announcement. Jun 07 18:37:13 The screen resolutions will be going up. Jun 07 18:37:31 facetime (video calls) also sounds interesting Jun 07 18:38:34 "300dpi is the limit for what your eyes can see" Jun 07 18:38:56 pfft.. i bet you $10 i can still see pixels Jun 07 18:39:16 * b-man|laptop has very good closeup vision Jun 07 18:41:41 the human eye is @ 17000ppi. that's about even for dpi Jun 07 18:42:29 so the real question is, what is the focal length that the phone needs to be held at for their claims to be valid Jun 07 18:42:50 arm's length? Jun 07 18:42:57 perhaps Jun 07 18:43:16 we get this same kind of bs in the hdtv industry Jun 07 18:43:34 indeed Jun 07 18:43:48 the old 'here's a 42" set with 1080p! see the difference from 720p!' well, not if youre sitting 15ft from it... Jun 07 18:44:42 god and the 3d tv industry is even worse. lets not even go there Jun 07 18:46:20 konfoo, you can tell. Jun 07 18:46:26 And 3D is amazing. Jun 07 18:46:45 haha surely you jest Jun 07 18:47:03 its a novelty Jun 07 18:47:56 konfoo, how old are you? Jun 07 18:48:24 of what relevance is my age? Jun 07 18:48:53 konfoo, because whether you want to admit it or not, 3D is the future. Jun 07 18:49:07 GAN900: silvermountain has started a crusade against me. Jun 07 18:49:14 3d in its current form is not Jun 07 18:49:24 crashanddie, been there, had him holywaring on my ass before. Jun 07 18:49:34 crashanddie, so don't complain to me. :D Jun 07 18:49:43 can't wait for those sci-fi holographic TVs and computer monitors to come out xD Jun 07 18:49:47 i wish i got a iPhone Jun 07 18:50:06 GAN900: not complaining, just making you aware of it, just as you kept me aware when it was your turn Jun 07 18:50:07 and as an artform 2d film will not die out Jun 07 18:50:12 /part #maemo I wish i got an iPhone Jun 07 18:50:22 solves your and our problem :) Jun 07 18:50:23 I wish I *had* Jun 07 18:50:39 MohammadAG51: be nice, dear. Jun 07 18:51:00 MohammadAG51: I'll show you the correct way to handle this. Jun 07 18:51:05 konfoo, didn't say that. Jun 07 18:51:10 crashanddie, lol. Jun 07 18:51:11 * MohammadAG51 gets the popcorn Jun 07 18:51:28 xDaReaperx: you own an N900, yes? Jun 07 18:51:34 * b-man|laptop grabs a handful of MohammadAG51's popcorn Jun 07 18:51:39 yes Jun 07 18:51:41 lol Jun 07 18:51:43 iphone is crap ( a ex iphone owner ) Jun 07 18:51:51 oh Jun 07 18:51:59 xDaReaperx: you know of websites such as ebay, or craigslist? Jun 07 18:52:02 yes? Jun 07 18:52:05 yes Jun 07 18:52:12 ebay yes Jun 07 18:52:14 * MohammadAG51 can see where this is going Jun 07 18:52:19 hehe Jun 07 18:52:22 lo Jun 07 18:52:23 l Jun 07 18:52:37 xDaReaperx: then feel free to set up an ad for your N900. I'm pretty sure you'll get enough money to buy an unlocked iPhone Jun 07 18:52:52 ur telling me to sell the n900 ? Jun 07 18:52:55 gan900: once again, how is age relevant to this discussion Jun 07 18:52:56 and but the i phone? Jun 07 18:52:56 yeah Jun 07 18:52:57 =/ Jun 07 18:53:04 lol Jun 07 18:53:16 konfoo: off-topic then, how old are you? Jun 07 18:53:22 xDaReaperx: how old is you n900 ? Jun 07 18:53:29 38. relevance? Jun 07 18:53:34 0 Jun 07 18:53:40 bought it on may 27th Jun 07 18:53:43 konfoo: no relevance, it's off-topic Jun 07 18:53:44 few weeks Jun 07 18:53:55 xDaReaperx: then it'll definitely fetch a good price. Jun 07 18:53:59 how much cost you ? Jun 07 18:54:00 konfoo, because I find older folks are generally more resistant to new trends. Jun 07 18:54:15 its not a new trend Jun 07 18:54:16 crashanddie, I expected a different way to handle it Jun 07 18:54:18 510 $ Jun 07 18:54:27 one that involved /cs op :P Jun 07 18:54:31 we already had a flash in the pan for 3d in the early 80s Jun 07 18:54:40 my grandparents think computers are an essence of evil LOL Jun 07 18:54:43 and another flash in the pan for 3d in the early 90s Jun 07 18:54:55 MohammadAG51: nha, he still has an n900 and isn't obviously trolling Jun 07 18:55:01 and problems like axis, intra-ocular distance, viewing angle - these are still unsolved Jun 07 18:55:16 crashanddie, oh, I didn't say kick him Jun 07 18:55:24 I was hinting at kicking yourself Jun 07 18:55:28 oh Jun 07 18:55:38 xDaReaperx: stop trolling, or this will happen to you Jun 07 18:55:41 the CE industry is clearly selling 3d tvs for the estinated additional $6Bn in profit since they have tapped out resolutions at 1080p Jun 07 18:55:46 its that simple Jun 07 18:55:49 LOL Jun 07 18:55:56 /ban crashanddie Jun 07 18:55:59 crashanddie, +1 Jun 07 18:56:00 damn, too slow Jun 07 18:56:15 it lives! Jun 07 18:56:42 crashanddie, trolls deserve a permban Jun 07 18:56:51 oh i wan't trolling Jun 07 18:56:59 please demo that on yourself Jun 07 18:57:00 if a guy stealing your browser history doesn't deserve a permban Jun 07 18:57:14 I don't see how this would Jun 07 18:57:15 anyways, demo it on yourself Jun 07 18:57:22 lol Jun 07 18:57:24 permban? Jun 07 18:57:27 Or bankick? Jun 07 18:57:27 yes Jun 07 18:57:31 akick Jun 07 18:57:37 akick? Jun 07 18:57:43 n00b! Jun 07 18:57:44 /kickban Jun 07 18:57:52 /cs akick #maemo add crashanddie Jun 07 18:57:55 duh, the history scriptkiddie wasn't banned? Jun 07 18:57:57 MohammadAG51: I know that Jun 07 18:57:57 see what it does Jun 07 18:58:04 DocScrutinizer: he was for a couple of days Jun 07 18:58:11 soo hmm Jun 07 18:58:12 crashanddie, then demo it Jun 07 18:58:13 REQUEST FOR HELP - i have a strange behavior of my N900 after firmware upgrade (5'10.2010.19.1). have strange names rather than application names and icons. e.g., time on the desktop looks like: wdgt_va_24h_time. any idea how to solve it?? Jun 07 18:58:17 (again on yourself) Jun 07 18:58:27 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation. Jun 07 18:58:38 heh Jun 07 18:58:46 zvirub, lucky, I had no icons :) Jun 07 18:58:50 tsk tsk tsk, then just ban yourself, give me +o before doing that and I'll do the a part Jun 07 18:59:05 zvirub, and also had no fonts :) Jun 07 18:59:06 crashanddie: why the ban expired?? Jun 07 18:59:12 MohammadAG51; fmms needs YOU to test! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fmms/1.1.8/ Jun 07 18:59:13 DocScrutinizer: no, I removed it Jun 07 18:59:20 DocScrutinizer: actually, I removed all the bans from the channel Jun 07 18:59:25 bans don't expire Jun 07 18:59:35 they do Jun 07 18:59:36 crashanddie: you're insane Jun 07 18:59:42 why? Jun 07 18:59:44 b-man|laptop, join #freenode and ask for a kline Jun 07 18:59:57 MohammadAG51: ah - i see Jun 07 19:00:13 or join our server Jun 07 19:00:13 forgot about kline Jun 07 19:00:23 gzline ftw Jun 07 19:00:49 gzline? lol Jun 07 19:00:54 compressed line Jun 07 19:01:01 ah Jun 07 19:01:08 thanks for answering. what is your proposal to address it? Jun 07 19:01:47 what about bz2line - has better compression :D Jun 07 19:01:51 crashanddie: because some of them bans probably were there for a good reason Jun 07 19:01:53 gzline = global zline. z line = server ban by IP alone. (kline would check ident before banning, I believe..) Jun 07 19:02:09 DocScrutinizer: most of them were lazy bans easily circumvented Jun 07 19:02:17 haha, swedish newspaper fronting iphone 4 announcement, getting flamed like hell in comments Jun 07 19:02:20 <3 the internet Jun 07 19:02:28 crashanddie: uhuh Jun 07 19:02:53 crashanddie: that reasoning is above me Jun 07 19:03:21 DocScrutinizer: hey, we need to keep the ops in business Jun 07 19:03:29 DocScrutinizer: go troll silvermountain on tmo Jun 07 19:03:31 MohammadAG51: you too Jun 07 19:03:51 ~flashing Jun 07 19:03:58 * MohammadAG51 gets out his tools Jun 07 19:04:03 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 07 19:04:13 zvirub: check out infobot's link Jun 07 19:05:01 crashanddie, would you consider remoderating tmo? Jun 07 19:05:11 maybe Jun 07 19:05:19 yeah, I'd consider it Jun 07 19:05:30 so, you regret leaving? Jun 07 19:05:33 tmo has become such a mess :( Jun 07 19:05:47 indeed Jun 07 19:05:49 no, I regret that the admin has no balls to enforce simple rules Jun 07 19:06:30 No offence to Reggie, I know he must be pretty busy and shit, but there's no rules except for "live and let live", and quite frankly that time has passed Jun 07 19:06:52 kill or be killed is more like it Jun 07 19:07:19 * Stskeeps is thinking talk.maemo.org is a negativity spiral atm Jun 07 19:07:19 Anyways guys , can someone instruct me on how to configure proxy on the browser Jun 07 19:07:37 it's sad that when ever a productive thread gets started, 75% of the time it ends up getting hijacked :( Jun 07 19:07:41 It worked when the main public were nerds and people with low social skills, low aggro mainly. Now there's a bunch of hyped up, med'd up, cranked up bastards and nobody to shut them up Jun 07 19:07:43 Stskeeps, mind explaining? Jun 07 19:08:23 MohammadAG51: ie, most trails get derailed and then things end up with personal attacks, even though the original intention was good Jun 07 19:08:29 most threads, i mean Jun 07 19:08:30 Stskeeps: i can't even bare to browse that place anymore Jun 07 19:08:56 let alone post Jun 07 19:10:01 half of the posters feel the need to justify their 500 quid money dump, so they insult everything that is microsoft or apple Jun 07 19:10:07 I'm proud to say that in the three-and-a-half years or whatever I've been part of this community, I've _never_ posted there. Jun 07 19:10:15 Or even registered an account. Jun 07 19:10:17 I feel like I'm browsing the mandriva forums 10 years ago and the threads were anti windows Jun 07 19:10:34 or 4chan.org Jun 07 19:10:39 yes Jun 07 19:10:48 but on steriods Jun 07 19:10:54 any ideas on how to set up proxy on the browser ? i tried to check about:config Jun 07 19:10:55 that PR2.1 thread was like browsing /b/ Jun 07 19:10:59 on the N900 Jun 07 19:11:18 *RP Jun 07 19:11:21 although Texrat tries to twist flames into fun Jun 07 19:11:28 which is a good way to moderate Jun 07 19:11:36 some thread just have to be shut down Jun 07 19:11:36 xDaReaperx: how about googling for fuck's sake? Jun 07 19:11:41 so whats the alternative to tmo then? Jun 07 19:11:47 none Jun 07 19:11:52 wow how rude Jun 07 19:11:54 unfortunately :( Jun 07 19:11:56 i'm looking forward to meego Jun 07 19:12:03 should unload a lot of trolls Jun 07 19:12:08 i was gonna say - even the nokia/qt dev forums are weak Jun 07 19:12:09 the diablo/fremantle vmware image for the SDK is corrupt. Jun 07 19:12:29 xDaReaperx: Main Menu -> Settings -> Internet connections -> Connections -> select your network, click Edit -> Next -> Next -> Next then click Advanced -> go to proxies tab. Configure. Win. Jun 07 19:12:40 (from memory, might be wrong in some step, but you get the idea) Jun 07 19:13:09 crashanddie, there's no such thing as a main menu Jun 07 19:13:14 it's called hd-laucnher Jun 07 19:13:30 MohammadAG51: stfu: http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/06/bp2-600x376_61444.jpg Jun 07 19:13:31 ok ty Jun 07 19:14:31 any fluendo people here? Jun 07 19:14:45 NOOOOOOOOOOOO Jun 07 19:14:46 crashanddie, lol Jun 07 19:14:47 nope Jun 07 19:14:52 mermaids became extinct? Jun 07 19:14:54 konfoo: nope Jun 07 19:15:13 MohammadAG51: yes, mwahahahaah!! Jun 07 19:15:28 ~fsck crashanddie Jun 07 19:15:29 e2fsck /dev/crashanddie : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! Jun 07 19:15:44 btw she said that, not me Jun 07 19:15:46 * MohammadAG51 runs Jun 07 19:16:09 ~rape MohammadAG51 Jun 07 19:16:10 * infobot takes MohammadAG51 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jun 07 19:16:18 pedo! Jun 07 19:16:40 ~hrsmngsk Jun 07 19:16:43 ~hrsmngsk MohammadAG51 Jun 07 19:16:45 being raped by a female, not sure if that's wrong Jun 07 19:16:49 damn Jun 07 19:17:13 MohammadAG51: enjoyed it? xDD Jun 07 19:18:10 ~burn himself Jun 07 19:18:11 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Jun 07 19:18:31 lol b-man|laptop Jun 07 19:18:31 MohammadAG51: then again, would you like to lose your virginity during a rape? Jun 07 19:18:54 I've never heard of females raping males Jun 07 19:19:35 * Stskeeps curses Jun 07 19:19:40 i heard it happens in africa, something with spreading hiv Jun 07 19:19:53 surely in the rest of the world as well Jun 07 19:20:05 but... how Jun 07 19:20:15 africa has some royally fucked up customs Jun 07 19:20:18 anything can happen in africa lol Jun 07 19:20:25 Flandry: am I in trouble about my behaviour in off-topic? Jun 07 19:20:37 b-man|laptop, wasn't that russia? Jun 07 19:21:06 MohammadAG51: true xD Jun 07 19:22:46 "in russia, you don't control your computer, the computer controls you!" lol Jun 07 19:22:56 g2g - i'll be back Jun 07 19:28:32 * RST38h moos moodily Jun 07 19:28:58 evening all Jun 07 19:29:00 I've started the Xephyr desktop and did /scratchbox/login in terminal , when i use run-standalone.sh to start a application nothing happens? Jun 07 19:29:00 evening Jun 07 19:29:05 Am I doing it wrong? Jun 07 19:29:24 hey Stskeeps, how's things? Jun 07 19:29:28 moo lardman Jun 07 19:29:32 hi RST38h Jun 07 19:31:47 * lardman curses his nVidia 7300gs Jun 07 19:32:05 lardman: starting to ponder to quit tmo :P Jun 07 19:32:30 * luke-jr curses lardman's nVidia 7300gs as well Jun 07 19:32:36 shame, there are some interesting threads, but needs so much time to sift through Jun 07 19:32:43 thanks luke-jr ;) Jun 07 19:32:46 Stskeeps: can you do that? Jun 07 19:33:05 luke-jr: i don't have 'reading tmo' on my contract ;p Jun 07 19:33:10 Stskeeps: After a while, you will come crawling back, and that would be a minor face-loss Jun 07 19:33:10 haha Jun 07 19:33:12 :) Jun 07 19:33:23 Stskeeps: So, no, not a good solution Jun 07 19:34:12 Stskeeps: But restricting your comments to a few subforums (like Development or Themes) and threads is a wise choice, I think Jun 07 19:34:45 has anyone gotten evopedia working? Jun 07 19:35:05 RST38h: i'm thinking Alternatives and MeeGo / Harmattan. Jun 07 19:35:08 ot, how do I work out which version of Ubuntu I have installed? Jun 07 19:35:47 Stskeeps: The rest of tmo can be used for hunting. It is epecially effective to ask whining newbies whether they have got their next perfect Android phone or offer them to work on the freely available source code by themselves, given how well the know what HAS TO BE DONE Jun 07 19:35:56 Stskeeps: is it possible BME thinks Gentoo is the "battery charging" screen, and that is why it triggers a shutdown when I pull the power? Jun 07 19:36:21 X-Fade, sivang... just thinking... when an app is installed/updated from -testing can we somehow add a nag-screen (or a nag-app) to help get the test feedback? Jun 07 19:36:21 Stskeeps: Alternatives is full of whining pricks Jun 07 19:36:41 Stskeeps: Harmattan forum looks sane, for now Jun 07 19:36:42 lbt requested this sort of process already Jun 07 19:36:49 well discussed it Jun 07 19:36:55 * lbt is slow lcuk Jun 07 19:37:04 RST38h, you don't have to announce leaving tmo Jun 07 19:37:06 you can just do it Jun 07 19:37:21 lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=703983#post703983 :D Jun 07 19:37:22 ShadowJK: So I did, mostly Jun 07 19:37:25 hi lbt Stskeeps RST38h lardman btw Jun 07 19:37:33 Appiah: X is broken i armel target in scratchbox Jun 07 19:37:34 * frals spots a lcuk Jun 07 19:37:35 ShadowJK: There is still interesting stuff going on here and there Jun 07 19:37:43 \o frals Jun 07 19:37:53 hi lcuk Jun 07 19:37:54 o/ Jun 07 19:38:02 jacekowski: umm how am I supposed to test my GUI written apps in SDK then? Jun 07 19:38:08 hi lardman RST38h Stskeeps lcuk frals ShadowJK .... o/ Jun 07 19:38:17 hi #maemo \o Jun 07 19:38:19 hi everyone o/ Jun 07 19:38:19 * lbt has more mates than lcuk !!! Jun 07 19:38:22 :D Jun 07 19:38:24 Appiah: x86 target Jun 07 19:38:26 hi all! Jun 07 19:38:30 Appiah: or on real device Jun 07 19:38:32 afaik #maemo highlights all Jun 07 19:38:32 * lardman settles for less typing Jun 07 19:38:39 not me :( Jun 07 19:38:50 it might not lol Jun 07 19:38:58 sbox-FREMANTLE_X86 , sounds like it is x86? Jun 07 19:39:12 * lbt completely failed at Qt animation this weekend Jun 07 19:39:13 hi * Jun 07 19:39:13 question: are there packages for Qt 4.6.2 on Maemo 4 (N800/N810) ? Jun 07 19:39:14 heya lcuk Jun 07 19:39:35 although I read enough to imagine how cool it looks :) Jun 07 19:39:38 * lardman curses bloody Ubunto for crashing when his mouse moves onto one of his monitors. Damn them for making me want to upgrade Jun 07 19:39:48 s/Ubunto/Ubuntu Jun 07 19:39:54 lardman.... don't do it! Jun 07 19:39:56 :( Jun 07 19:39:59 too late Jun 07 19:40:05 ROLLBACK Jun 07 19:40:05 I know, whatamistakatomaka Jun 07 19:40:15 Ubuntu? Jun 07 19:40:19 * lbt ducks Jun 07 19:40:25 Ubuntu is a lesser evil Jun 07 19:40:25 yeah, well Jun 07 19:40:40 im not doing anything harsh to my ubuntu until i have a nicer way to reinstall scratchbox Jun 07 19:40:41 lardman: You can always go FreeBSD. FreeBSD never crashes =) Jun 07 19:40:49 ewww Jun 07 19:40:54 is driving me mad though, I daren't do any work, one accidental swipe too far left and I will loose the lot Jun 07 19:41:02 bsd! pah! Jun 07 19:41:05 dare i say: thats because its not got any apps :P Jun 07 19:41:07 lcuk: I upgraded to 10.4LTS and SB2 still works. Jun 07 19:41:09 * lcuk knows otherwise Jun 07 19:41:24 lcuk: Had to kick it in the balls with the secret ninja kick provided by hrw though Jun 07 19:41:38 lcuk: same apps as linu xmostly Jun 07 19:41:45 yeah i kno Jun 07 19:41:50 lardman, thats not good Jun 07 19:42:08 yeah, not much coding going on Jun 07 19:42:32 * lcuk did some playing during holiday Jun 07 19:42:48 and running KDE, which imo is craptastic compared to Gnome, I can't even work out how to disable a monitor Jun 07 19:43:13 so all is well in the world of lard ;) Jun 07 19:43:35 960 x 640 with a Cortex A9 Jun 07 19:43:38 dont you have to instantiate a Kkillmydesktopmonitoroneatatime class? Jun 07 19:43:45 Apple just blew Nokia out of the water. Jun 07 19:43:55 lcuk: probably, nasty C++ code Jun 07 19:44:11 GAN900: ipad-thingie? Jun 07 19:44:27 lardman, nope, iPhone 4G Jun 07 19:44:46 oh right, specs released now? Been busy all day so not looked Jun 07 19:44:52 is it using full resolution screen or similar to the android? Jun 07 19:45:09 (shared voxels) Jun 07 19:45:15 IPS Jun 07 19:45:18 * Stskeeps is pondering if he's an enabler for evil ways. Jun 07 19:45:32 * GAN900 is half tempted just to buy it. Jun 07 19:46:13 what evil are you facilitating now Stskeeps? Jun 07 19:46:14 i'm just waiting for the apple fanboys to cheer up for the new resolution... when n900 came out with 800x480, they said that it doesn't matter because 640x360 is just enough... :D Jun 07 19:46:19 random aside, anyone know if nvidia-glx supports the gtx 470 card yet? Jun 07 19:46:53 well, arent most of the iphone apps still at the original resolution and this is just preparing for the ipad specific apps to be backward ported Jun 07 19:47:03 ie they use pixel doubling Jun 07 19:47:17 hmm, sounds like the Psion days Jun 07 19:47:20 where can i find gdigicam doc? Jun 07 19:47:34 stop being such a prancer and share a link GAN900 Jun 07 19:47:43 vinipsmaker: wiki + source code Jun 07 19:48:25 puphome, frontpage of http://engadget.com Jun 07 19:48:25 lbt: seemingily that licensing change requests queue is a /dev/null, or something Jun 07 19:48:25 :P Jun 07 19:49:21 * Stskeeps is honestly looking forward to a week of binge drinking in a couple of weeks. Jun 07 19:49:34 * GAN900 is bored with being abused as a customer by Nokia Jun 07 19:49:35 lardman: i will take a look in source code, thnx Jun 07 19:49:37 you are cc'ing meego-dev and maemo-dev and pmo and the council and Quim and Dawn and Arjan and Mike aren't you? and with the followups saying "it's been weeks" Jun 07 19:50:08 Stskeeps: Cider on sunday night? Jun 07 19:50:14 But not Amsterdam! Jun 07 19:50:19 lbt: well, that's the warmup Jun 07 19:50:26 * Stskeeps is going to a music festival in approx 20 days Jun 07 19:50:31 * lbt considers duty free Jun 07 19:50:48 if I bring a bottle what should I bring? Jun 07 19:50:59 vinipsmaker: might be some docs in with the source on git iirc Jun 07 19:51:21 * lcuk could do with some r&r that doesnt involve playparks or noisey kids Jun 07 19:51:23 is possible use dbus to control camera-ui application? Jun 07 19:51:46 GAN900: Has Steve Jobs been tempting you tonight? Jun 07 19:52:29 GAN900: With His huge megapixel count? With His miracle of multitasking? With his mighty folders? Jun 07 19:53:47 * RST38h uploading HydroCarbon theme to Extras-Devel. Please, give it a try. Jun 07 19:53:49 lbt: hmm, i'm usually good with wine or cider in general Jun 07 19:54:02 duty free - thing stronger Jun 07 19:54:07 lbt: spirits it is then Jun 07 19:54:08 k Jun 07 19:54:34 Pear brandy... Jun 07 19:54:43 peach schnapps Jun 07 19:54:49 anyone in Helsinki on Sunday is welcome to join us... Jun 07 19:55:00 sunday.. hmm Jun 07 19:55:01 (seriously) Jun 07 19:55:08 fernet - is X-Fade around, some random brown dutch spirit that tastes awful Jun 07 19:55:10 what people are joining? :) Jun 07 19:55:31 a drunk brit and dane Jun 07 19:55:44 perhaps, if someone reminds me Jun 07 19:55:46 would love to but have work to do Jun 07 19:55:55 crying into their drinks over non-free licensing ;) Jun 07 19:56:23 RST38h, Nokia clearly isn't interested in my business. Jun 07 19:56:24 which components lbt Jun 07 19:56:51 RST38h, at least I know exactly where I stand with Apple. Jun 07 19:56:59 lcuk: we won't catr Jun 07 19:57:02 care Jun 07 19:57:22 lbt, but which are you raising glasses too Jun 07 19:57:23 to Jun 07 19:57:28 helsinki sunday? Jun 07 19:57:50 Sadly the whole mobile industry has peaked with the N900 for me Jun 07 19:58:03 lcuk: hmmm Jun 07 19:58:06 and now seems to be declining back into useless crap for 2010/2011 Jun 07 19:58:21 * lardman tries to restart Xord using Gnome rather than the accursed KDE Jun 07 19:58:24 bbiam Jun 07 19:58:26 lcuk: Qt Jun 07 19:58:27 Xorg Jun 07 19:58:32 hmm, less vino Jun 07 19:58:33 it always cheers me up Jun 07 19:58:46 lbt ? qt is lgpl? Jun 07 19:58:47 frals: you about? Jun 07 19:58:56 probably Jun 07 19:58:58 lcuk: yes Jun 07 19:59:44 i should be anyway, unless something major happens, like someone failing to book my flight or whatnot :D Jun 07 20:00:24 frals, and you should also be sober the next week :P Jun 07 20:00:38 :D Jun 07 20:00:46 whats on sunday anyway? Jun 07 20:01:08 frals: nothing Jun 07 20:01:12 move along Jun 07 20:01:16 oh wait, no Jun 07 20:01:27 * frals is confused Jun 07 20:01:37 * frals goes back to making sure all cables are packed Jun 07 20:01:40 heh Stskeeps and I happen to be in Helsinki at the same time Jun 07 20:01:53 GAN900, as a bonus, useless crap for 2011/2012 means I don't have to buy a new one that soon ;) Jun 07 20:01:53 we're just going to meet up for a drink Jun 07 20:01:55 cool Jun 07 20:02:09 frals: when are you hel-side? Jun 07 20:02:22 just randomly wondered if anyone else fancied joining? Jun 07 20:02:39 i should be there by thursday... wont be leaving anytime soon i recon Jun 07 20:02:50 so id be up for going out for a bit :) Jun 07 20:03:06 urgh, didn't do anything Jun 07 20:03:08 you're relocating? :P Jun 07 20:03:21 mhm Jun 07 20:03:27 * lardman considers the 5 or so hours he's wasted on this and decides to go watch tv Jun 07 20:03:37 ShadowJK, mmm Jun 07 20:03:59 GAN900, hows your android doin? Jun 07 20:04:19 GAN900: you've got an android? Jun 07 20:04:26 ShadowJK, I just Nokia has an anwer for the iPhone 4G that doesn't make their first MeeGo phone look like the goddamn N97 technology-wise. Jun 07 20:04:43 lardman|tv, the one Google gave away at the LFCS Jun 07 20:04:51 lcuk, sitting in a drawer. Jun 07 20:04:53 ah ok Jun 07 20:04:58 GAN900, hahaha :) Jun 07 20:04:59 I should just eBay it Jun 07 20:05:09 * lardman|tv had a look at the Dell Streak at the weekend, is a big bugger Jun 07 20:05:15 Damn N900 keyboard Jun 07 20:05:29 lardman|tv, 800x480 and android Jun 07 20:05:30 it has a kb, let us be thankful Jun 07 20:05:33 A resounding meh Jun 07 20:05:47 lardman|tv, I was faster and more accurate on the N800 Jun 07 20:05:50 GAN900: I know, was just passing the shop - I still want a Psion 5 replacement really Jun 07 20:06:01 Unfortunately Nokia really hates virtual input Jun 07 20:06:12 fine by me, I do too! ;) Jun 07 20:06:13 So they find ways to make it less usuable with every release. Jun 07 20:06:28 PR1.2 was a particularly impressive performance there. Jun 07 20:06:39 :) Jun 07 20:06:44 for someone who never used the vkb, what happend with it in 1.2? Jun 07 20:07:02 before I throw my monitor through the window, for not crashing the rest of the PC, I'm adjourning to a glass of wine and the tv - I need a new PC to work with new Ubuntu I fear Jun 07 20:07:09 s/not/ Jun 07 20:07:10 i have not find it yet Jun 07 20:07:16 cya lardman|tv Jun 07 20:07:32 have a nice evening lardman|tv o/ Jun 07 20:07:33 frals, Nokia used their secret project, their timemachine, went back in time to the stoneage, stole a couple of stoneage people, and had them design a new vkb from scratch Jun 07 20:09:17 they also returned with a new manufactoring technique for slate devices Jun 07 20:09:39 crap, shop shut in -3 minutes Jun 07 20:09:50 alright ShadowJK ;P Jun 07 20:10:04 btw, fMMS need testers! http://bit.ly/9T87CH Jun 07 20:10:22 uh, maemo.org is taking too long to respond o_O Jun 07 20:10:45 frals, they broke itl Jun 07 20:11:01 Terrible screen space usage Jun 07 20:11:15 Terrible key behaviors Jun 07 20:11:27 Basically, it peaked with Diablo. Jun 07 20:11:32 Been downhill ever since Jun 07 20:11:45 and for some reason they think they're making it better. Jun 07 20:12:22 GAN900: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/shopper/0.5.9-1/ Jun 07 20:14:04 hip hip hurray, the super readers saved the day Jun 07 20:14:14 ? Jun 07 20:15:11 sorry, its been stuck in my head half the afternoon since jake had it on before Jun 07 20:15:17 * mhmh cries.. broke the usb connector at work a couple hours ago Jun 07 20:15:18 so i tohught i would infect maemo with it Jun 07 20:17:29 Virtual KB is a nogo for me - That's why I bought a device with real HW-KB. Jun 07 20:18:23 timeless, timeless_mbp ping Jun 07 20:18:34 Are there many alternative RSS readers for the N900? Jun 07 20:18:44 Any that are particularly good anyhow? Jun 07 20:18:58 built in one XP Jun 07 20:19:07 i was pulled into the 810 by the real keyboard, but at the same time i also see how a VKB can be used - especially a portrait one Jun 07 20:20:45 * lardman|tv tries changes to xorg.conf to disable crashy screen, bbiab hopefully Jun 07 20:21:45 frals: what tends to happen if one sends an MMS to a phone that doesn't do MMS? Jun 07 20:22:02 it disappears in cyberspace Jun 07 20:22:09 or something along those lines Jun 07 20:22:16 BCMM, depending on your mobile phone contract, a real paper telegram will be hand delivered Jun 07 20:22:20 tho thats rare nowadays Jun 07 20:22:31 ah, no incomprehensible SMS or anything? Jun 07 20:22:32 BCMM: depends on the receiving phones operator, on phones I've had, they get sent via email to me if you set it up. Jun 07 20:22:32 depending on the other persons carrier, they might get an sms link, or what lcuk said Jun 07 20:22:33 lcuk: heh Jun 07 20:22:46 Or you got a text message with an embedded link that allowed you to view the MMS through a web browser. Jun 07 20:23:04 really expensive contracts hire dedicated painters who turn up at house with a full set of oil paints and a canvas Jun 07 20:23:16 the good ones sends you a colorfax instead Jun 07 20:23:18 frals: well, i don't know if fmms works for me or not - depends on whether my girlfriend's phone supports MMS Jun 07 20:23:32 lcuk: Yeah, I hear that's free with the platinum Nokia contracts. Jun 07 20:23:34 cause i sent one, and nothing happened Jun 07 20:23:44 BCMM: if you check /tmp/fmms.log you can see the MMSC Response code printed Jun 07 20:23:56 if the sender closed after a while it sent it successfully from the apps point of view Jun 07 20:24:04 alterego, platinum is a bit iffy Jun 07 20:24:28 they usually send round some school kid on minimum wage with felt tips Jun 07 20:24:32 I would have prefered it if they called them the "Footballers wives collection" :D Jun 07 20:25:23 frals: I want to test fMMS, but maemo.org don't let me... Jun 07 20:25:36 :[ Jun 07 20:25:39 lbt, gave up on Ovi? Jun 07 20:25:42 Weee - there I got in Jun 07 20:26:04 Ovi aka "Python apps? no thanks!" :[ Jun 07 20:26:08 GAN900: not really... just wanted to get it to work first :) Jun 07 20:26:32 frals don't tell me they don't allow python apps Jun 07 20:26:35 APPS!!! Jun 07 20:26:46 MohammadAG51: they dont according to pymaemo list Jun 07 20:27:01 wow, that's a big big fail Jun 07 20:27:31 The new OS for iPhone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_IOS - Sorry, but I had to. Jun 07 20:27:32 * MohammadAG51 has a good mind to do an rm -rf app Jun 07 20:27:43 to see if they'd find that Jun 07 20:27:43 So, how about a community app store then? :P Jun 07 20:27:49 sure Jun 07 20:27:50 I'd be up for spear heading that project. Jun 07 20:27:54 we can do it in a week Jun 07 20:28:04 Stskeeps, prettify your links. Jun 07 20:28:11 even the current ovi store is useless Jun 07 20:28:57 MohammadAG51; its kinda funny since i think #1 and #3 in most downloads from extras are python apps Jun 07 20:29:10 * lcuk ponders Jun 07 20:29:10 funny in the sad kinda way Jun 07 20:29:14 frals and python can be compiled Jun 07 20:29:37 * lcuk ponders some more Jun 07 20:29:56 k, so alterego you work on the downloader app, someone here hosts the app, I'll work on coffee management Jun 07 20:29:56 the reason was because the software cant depend on stuff from extras (or such, see pymaemo list for more details) Jun 07 20:30:08 if i come back, someone remind me about "time" Jun 07 20:30:11 * frals ponders what lcuk ponders Jun 07 20:30:12 shove all depedencies into one deb Jun 07 20:30:17 MohammadAG51: what about the actual online store :P Jun 07 20:30:26 alterego, what store Jun 07 20:30:34 * puphome ponders about lack of robotron Jun 07 20:30:36 What downloader app? Jun 07 20:30:41 well Jun 07 20:30:44 puphome, robotron? Jun 07 20:30:51 there is a maemo download app already Jun 07 20:30:55 one that locks a directory it's downloading to Jun 07 20:30:56 danielwilms wrote it :) Jun 07 20:30:57 also this morrowind engine depends on a lot of silly libraries Jun 07 20:30:59 Yeah, sene it. Jun 07 20:31:04 lcuk, i was thinking of a paid store Jun 07 20:31:08 paid community store Jun 07 20:31:14 lcuk: the video game robotron 2084 needs remaking Jun 07 20:31:15 although i'm against closed source Jun 07 20:31:28 but right now, it's what maemo needs Jun 07 20:31:35 why not maemo.org with more emphasis on donations and sharing :) Jun 07 20:31:59 even mozilla addons have a suggested donation Jun 07 20:32:08 MohammadAG51: I agree, so, you want a pay-for app, I'd be pretty happy to do that. Jun 07 20:32:24 Pay-for download app .. Jun 07 20:32:36 * lcuk spits on closed source Jun 07 20:32:45 oh how far i have come Jun 07 20:32:46 Doesn't have to be closed source. Jun 07 20:33:07 alterego, basically, I was thinking of an app where you pay, it locks a directory (not the apt way of doing it), it encrypts the directory, downloads the deb to it, installs it clears the directory and clears the encryption Jun 07 20:33:09 * lcuk strongly dislikes closedness Jun 07 20:33:19 i typed that on the N900, pretty quick eh? Jun 07 20:33:20 :P Jun 07 20:33:30 Heh, yeah. Jun 07 20:34:00 * lcuk gets out of the way of this discussion anyway - bbl Jun 07 20:34:10 dont let me forget about "time" Jun 07 20:34:13 It's not very hard to extract an app from the fs Jun 07 20:34:26 time lcuksbll Jun 07 20:34:28 For some reason I feel cheeky charging someone for my code Jun 07 20:34:42 Besides my employer, obviously Jun 07 20:34:56 MohammadAG51: pong Jun 07 20:34:58 There is another problem. Jun 07 20:35:09 I write some middleware that's handy for all app-developers. Jun 07 20:35:16 Where is my donations? Jun 07 20:35:18 It could do it in memory. Jun 07 20:35:25 No reason to actually use the filesystem. Jun 07 20:35:36 And the server which this would run on, wouldn't need to be a beast - Mich even run all fine on a Xen-node? Jun 07 20:35:51 s/Mich/Might Jun 07 20:35:53 hi guys I got a error in maemo repository, I can not install libqt4-dev on armel. Jun 07 20:35:53 http://pastebin.com/7pZgSB5s Jun 07 20:36:10 Anybody has the same error? Jun 07 20:36:19 http://maemo.org/community/council/notice_to_developers-the_old_libqt4-maemo5-prefixed_packages_have_officially_been_deprecated/ ? Jun 07 20:36:33 oh - not yet Jun 07 20:36:39 unless somethings screwed Jun 07 20:38:56 renato: have you got the nokia-binaries installed? Jun 07 20:39:11 Anyone else having issue with maemo.org? Jun 07 20:39:20 http://bit.ly/duMIIT Jun 07 20:39:32 noctule, I trying this now Jun 07 20:39:34 Can't seem to access any of it :/ Jun 07 20:39:56 talk. is fine. ¬_¬ Jun 07 20:40:10 noctule, yes to use Qt you need the nokia binaries :( Jun 07 20:40:14 alterego: I'm on maemo.org now, no issues Jun 07 20:40:41 It's being dog-slow for me :( Jun 07 20:41:14 renato: I recognised the problem from a bad install here, I know the pain Jun 07 20:41:32 alterego: speed is rubbish, but it is operating lol Jun 07 20:41:53 It seems like the CSS messes up everytime I log in though Jun 07 20:42:13 Well, it's still not finished loading the page .. Jun 07 20:42:25 Not showing any of it in fact. Jun 07 20:42:28 Okay, that's way slower than what I'm getting Jun 07 20:42:31 Might restart my laptop .. Jun 07 20:42:39 noctule, thanks its work now Jun 07 20:42:42 Tried restarting firefox .. Jun 07 20:42:48 renato: no worries mate Jun 07 20:44:08 frals: Tested fMMS 1.1.8, and it looks good - Just waiting for maemo.org to let me give the thumbs up. Jun 07 20:47:15 I had forgotten how horible the n95 was to use.. had not started it since i got the 900 in January Jun 07 20:47:55 hi guys. any idea why the latest official maemo 5 update demands a PC with nokia software update installed for some users and for some others it just happens over the air? Jun 07 20:48:25 not enough space/conflicting dependencies Jun 07 20:49:15 could be, i guess. it would be nice to have a more informative message though. Jun 07 20:49:45 thanks frals Jun 07 20:51:16 uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Jun 07 20:51:25 having to ask location on a gps-enabled device is lame Jun 07 20:51:26 new iphone will have 960x640 Jun 07 20:51:29 (weatherbug) Jun 07 20:52:11 why? Jun 07 20:52:25 maybe you want weather for your holiday destination Jun 07 20:52:51 damn, was hoping to escape iphone frenzy lol Jun 07 20:54:09 what Jun 07 20:54:09 anybody has a link to that sexy open source hardware phone concept thingy? Jun 07 20:54:24 summel: what?! Jun 07 20:54:41 i cant remember it but i got the link from here or from #meego Jun 07 20:55:02 Open source hardware is very expensive. Jun 07 20:55:22 From the fundamental point that getting one PCB of 8 layers made is expensive Jun 07 20:55:23 SpeedEvil: the openmokos main flaw was that it was ugly Jun 07 20:55:23 :D Jun 07 20:55:26 and then going from there. Jun 07 20:55:28 summel: you mean openmoko? Jun 07 20:55:32 kpel: no Jun 07 20:55:33 I disagree - strongly. Jun 07 20:55:40 summel: ofono.org ? Jun 07 20:55:44 except that, WB is quite nice, just too bad there's no widget Jun 07 20:56:01 Openmokos main flaw was that the people at the top of the project had too much vision. Jun 07 20:56:26 and it was ugly :P Jun 07 20:56:30 lol Jun 07 20:56:32 kpel: no ^^ Jun 07 20:56:34 I thought it looked nice Jun 07 20:56:40 there were images/renders of that phone Jun 07 20:56:41 Every 6 months or so - just as the software stack was looking sort-of-stable - the CEO would pop up at a conference, and say 'Something really cool is around the corner!!!!!!' Jun 07 20:56:43 there is no such as too much vision, only too few resources :) Jun 07 20:57:07 And then 2 months later, with no involvement from the community - the whole software stack got refactored. Jun 07 20:57:24 has anyone gotten evopedia working? Jun 07 20:57:24 Junking any chance of community involvement in stuff. Jun 07 20:57:58 That, and the fact is that they could have had a saleable phone + hw in xmas 2007. Ok - the sw would have been basic - little more than a dialer, and SMS. Jun 07 20:58:18 no MMS? Madness! Jun 07 20:58:32 it would be great if maemo5/meego would run on the new iphone... because the only thing it does good is looking great xD Jun 07 20:58:36 But dialer + SMS and working kernel + gtk - in xmas 2007 would have sold - comparatively - bucketloads. Jun 07 20:58:44 ewww gtk Jun 07 20:58:54 :P Jun 07 20:59:15 Summel: yes. And then they went from gtk->qt. Which never really worked. And took up months of everyones time. Jun 07 20:59:30 a really qt-phone would be sooo great :/ Jun 07 20:59:31 Summel: sometimes getting the hardware actually shipping is more important than making it pretty. Jun 07 20:59:37 and no i didnt like the greenphone Jun 07 20:59:37 :P Jun 07 20:59:52 yeah... maemo5 looks kinda... old/ugly Jun 07 21:00:04 i would still pay someone to make my theme-mockup real :P Jun 07 21:00:28 SpeedEvil: but then they complain about it beeing beta hardware instead Jun 07 21:00:30 got a link on that mockup? ;) Jun 07 21:00:33 C'Mon maemo.org - Gimme som response Jun 07 21:00:35 zash: yes. Jun 07 21:00:38 sure one second Jun 07 21:00:39 I know, we need to cripple it and limit the functionality. Then it'll be all slick and cool. Jun 07 21:00:54 noctule: http://summel.de/stuff/maemo-theme.png Jun 07 21:01:01 umm Jun 07 21:01:03 zash: neo1973 was somewhat beta hardware. But it was quite functional beta hardware with maybe 4 or 5 minor fixes that were easy to put into production. Jun 07 21:01:05 maemo.org down? Jun 07 21:01:09 nvm, it connected Jun 07 21:01:11 MohammadAG51: Mmm Jun 07 21:01:32 MohammadAG51: css and gfx are atleast down Jun 07 21:01:34 taking ages to load Jun 07 21:01:41 summel: what's the name of that theme? Jun 07 21:01:48 * MohammadAG51 pings X-Fade Jun 07 21:01:57 Noma: its just a mockup atm :/ Jun 07 21:02:00 summel: looks nice Jun 07 21:02:08 but as i said... i would pay someone to make it real :D Jun 07 21:02:11 thx ^^ Jun 07 21:02:18 well go do graphics instead of ircing?:D Jun 07 21:02:26 What would you have the rss + calendar widgets like? Jun 07 21:02:35 i can do graphics but i dont know how to make themes for maemo :/ Jun 07 21:02:46 and that theme maker thingy app is strange and did not really work Jun 07 21:02:47 oO Jun 07 21:02:53 maybe because it is written in java :P Jun 07 21:03:00 fiferboy: you reading about shopper? Jun 07 21:03:04 * Duckboot shudders - Java? Jun 07 21:03:21 Noma: well... i want transparency shadows and the rest mostly black & white... and helvetica :D Jun 07 21:03:22 summel: couldn't charge you for making it, but happily accepts donations lol Jun 07 21:03:41 noctule: you can make themes? :D Jun 07 21:03:46 summel: windows mobile 7?:D Jun 07 21:04:21 summel: haven't messed with theming the 900 yet, themed loads of stuff using pngs in the past Jun 07 21:04:45 boredom + insomnia == new stuff Jun 07 21:04:48 i can make the css and hhtml for a conversation theme :) Jun 07 21:05:07 lbt: Sorry, just heading out (ironically to do some shopping) Jun 07 21:05:17 lbt: Drop me an email or we can chat tomorrow? Jun 07 21:05:18 Jun 07 21:05:31 sure - I'm around ... poke your kid for me ;) Jun 07 21:05:49 lbt: I have company from Wales in town Jun 07 21:05:50 summel: got a few things on atm, but will happily give it a go if someone hasn't sorted it by then Jun 07 21:06:01 those welsh get about ... Jun 07 21:06:02 do you just talk about the n900? Jun 07 21:06:08 yay ;) i would be happy to donate then Jun 07 21:06:08 :D Jun 07 21:06:12 MohammadAG51: Did you get any response from X-Fade? Jun 07 21:06:21 this device is ridiculous like windows Vista Jun 07 21:06:25 also i would love a nice oxygen/kde4 and a good/working lcars theme xD Jun 07 21:06:34 Duckboot, if he pongs it'll be here :) Jun 07 21:06:35 tuliobaars: oO Jun 07 21:06:42 oO what? Jun 07 21:06:43 MohammadAG51: ;-P Jun 07 21:06:59 why would you say that? Jun 07 21:07:08 We have a troll in the building Jun 07 21:07:25 \o/ Jun 07 21:08:12 cause when they released n900, all of you forget about the classic and original NIT's (N810 and N800, maybe 770) Jun 07 21:08:28 i'm not a troll Jun 07 21:08:30 tuliobaars: not true Jun 07 21:08:41 good to hear that Jun 07 21:08:47 but I can understand it feels like it :) Jun 07 21:08:48 tuliobaars: well when vista was released most people were still using XP so n900 is in no way like vista :P Jun 07 21:09:04 tuliobaars: Mer was supposed to help a lot on that front. Jun 07 21:09:06 i feel me alone with my N8x0 projects Jun 07 21:09:13 i was kidding Jun 07 21:09:22 just to atract atention Jun 07 21:09:30 xp=good, vista=bad, n900!=bad Jun 07 21:09:36 no Jun 07 21:09:42 hey, you'll make me feel guilty... I just released my app for N900 only :( Jun 07 21:10:01 bitphoenix: you missed a ! after xp Jun 07 21:10:05 xp=good but ugly Jun 07 21:10:05 seven= good and pretty Jun 07 21:10:40 at least 20apps per week are launched for N900, but for Diavlo, just2 Jun 07 21:11:04 i'm really mad about that Jun 07 21:11:16 the n900 isn't a bad device Jun 07 21:11:22 just think about it Jun 07 21:11:34 i didn't say it is bad Jun 07 21:11:46 thanks for the atention, pls, continue yuor conversation Jun 07 21:11:52 i know Jun 07 21:11:54 what kind of apps are you looking for? Jun 07 21:11:55 tuliobaars: ;-P Jun 07 21:11:56 i'm saying Jun 07 21:12:01 isnt diablo a bit older then fremantle? Jun 07 21:12:02 :P Jun 07 21:12:12 lets make it newer! Jun 07 21:12:21 install meego Jun 07 21:12:21 xD Jun 07 21:12:29 N8x0 is already pretty old and there's alot of apps for it Jun 07 21:12:42 tuliobaars: do you know how many Diablo users came to help make fremantle run on the N8x0s? Jun 07 21:12:44 Anyone got a phonenumber to someone with root-access to the servers at maemo.org? Jun 07 21:13:20 someone that want to talk, develop, help, and talk about that question, help for projects:Skype: tulio.baars.meira Jun 07 21:13:30 i will be glad helping in something Jun 07 21:13:35 i want to use jabber with SSL and proper certificate checking. i installed the cacert root certificate to /etc/ssl/certs and ran c_rehash, then rebooted the n900. it still says "network error" for this account. where can i find the whole message? Jun 07 21:13:40 just 10minute i'm getting back Jun 07 21:13:45 bye Jun 07 21:13:57 tuliobaars: right now I suggest you focus on MeeGo for N8x0 Jun 07 21:16:22 MohammadAG51/DocScrutinizer51: Is the number of the day 51? Jun 07 21:16:50 sECuRE: whenever you find a working method, please tell me. Jun 07 21:18:15 sECuRE: you can run GABBLE_PERSIST=1 GABBLE_DEBUG=1 LM_DEBUG=net /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble Jun 07 21:20:13 muelli: hm, that also just says "SSL certificate verification failed" Jun 07 21:20:23 i also put it in /etc/certs/common-ca, but that didn’t help either Jun 07 21:21:29 ah, hang on, got the wrong cert file Jun 07 21:21:33 certificates are a pain. Jun 07 21:21:38 sECuRE: I don't think that OpenSSL installation repects any of those paths. That's why the Certificate Manager is there. But it doesn't work for me eith. Jun 07 21:21:40 either Jun 07 21:22:02 but as I've said sECuRE. whenever you found smth working, please tell me. Jun 07 21:31:42 which process is it that does the jabber? Jun 07 21:31:44 w00t_: Have you got a formal to-do list on portrait-keyboard? Jun 07 21:31:54 sECuRE: telepathy Jun 07 21:32:19 telepathy is a framework, not a specific process running on my phone, right? Jun 07 21:32:24 right Jun 07 21:32:48 so which process is it? Jun 07 21:37:40 sECuRE: telepathy Jun 07 21:38:02 ps | grep telepathy does not show a process named only telepathy Jun 07 21:38:09 i have telepathy-{ring,sofiasip,gabble} Jun 07 21:38:18 i guess it’s (mainly?) gabble? Jun 07 21:38:25 yep Jun 07 21:47:37 lbt: do you have skype: Jun 07 21:47:38 ? Jun 07 21:48:08 yes but I rarely use it Jun 07 21:48:55 could you give it to me? we can start a project, Kroll(Dmitriy Chirva) is already in Jun 07 21:49:08 give your skype adreess Jun 07 21:49:34 I don't use it for that kind of thing :) Jun 07 21:49:43 irc works fine for OSS dev Jun 07 21:50:15 is this for N8x0 / meego ? Jun 07 21:50:20 I use IRC all the time at work, for communicating with customers - Fast debugging. Jun 07 21:50:40 yeah Jun 07 21:51:50 Duckboot: lucky guy, IRC was locked out for most of my customers Jun 07 21:52:16 skype is better cause i can click on it Jun 07 21:52:26 no way to fremantle for n810??? even an hacked version Jun 07 21:52:26 crashanddie: We have lots of really tecchie-customers, so they love IRC. Jun 07 21:52:27 * pupnik flails Jun 07 21:52:53 Duckboot: yeah, my customers were more in bunkers and such :) Jun 07 21:53:56 btw, if anyone ever has to do a brainstorm session with army or marines tech division, and nobody is saying anything, get the big cheese out of the room. They won't say a word if a superior officer is present. Jun 07 21:54:20 LOL Jun 07 21:55:09 crashanddie: Hahaha Jun 07 21:57:11 you might wanna dismantle that army. Jun 07 21:57:20 some bucks saved. Jun 07 22:02:05 guy on the right has an n900 http://i.imgur.com/Ceec9.jpg Jun 07 22:02:44 and you tricked me into clicking that Jun 07 22:03:15 i'm goin' to say why maemo doesn't have much apps Jun 07 22:04:15 Amusingly the other platforms don't have the apps I need D: Jun 07 22:05:50 GAN900: any news? I need the device more than ever, as it seems I'm on my own in implementing hostmode :-/ Jun 07 22:08:03 nhahah Shapeshifter Jun 07 22:08:54 DocScrutinizer: what do you need? Jun 07 22:09:30 devel device Jun 07 22:09:48 with working power button Jun 07 22:10:10 devel device? Jun 07 22:10:14 as in the prototype? Jun 07 22:10:25 or just an n900 device you can use for devel? Jun 07 22:10:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue Jun 07 22:10:43 I know Jun 07 22:11:08 wondered if I could help remotely Jun 07 22:11:33 GAN900 poked qgil, seems it's moving Jun 07 22:11:43 DocScrutinizer, cool. Jun 07 22:12:10 GAN900: cool? what? Jun 07 22:12:22 "be cool." Jun 07 22:16:13 DocScrutinizer, glad to hear it's moving. :P Jun 07 22:17:32 DocScrutinizer, ah, sorry. Jun 07 22:17:37 DocScrutinizer, misread Jun 07 22:17:44 I though you said YOU poked qgil Jun 07 22:17:55 I haven't heard anything yet. Jun 07 22:19:10 just proving a point for the n900: http://stuff.moritzg.ch/DSC00038.JPG (ssh -X'ing onto my desktop, running chromium browsing grooveshark, having it play to my normal speakers) ;) Jun 07 22:19:19 versatility ftw Jun 07 22:24:33 doesn't look like a complete list there, or am i missing something? (developer device program) Jun 07 22:32:21 crashanddie: so probably a MP device is more adequate than a prototype that might behave differently wrt USB and charging etc Jun 07 22:38:59 GAN900: obviously not my day. Every second word I write seems to be lost in a mysterious black hole Jun 07 22:39:46 that is time Jun 07 22:42:42 SDK. Do you have? Yes. Where? Google it. I'm downloading for at least 1 month the sdk and it is still on 20%, and i have an 3MB intrent connection Jun 07 22:43:36 night all Jun 07 22:43:52 the SDK is a 700MBs-ish download Jun 07 22:47:32 Woo! Jun 07 22:47:50 * SpeedEvil gets online using the phone as the modem for the first time. Jun 07 22:48:05 not attempted that yet Jun 07 22:48:07 heh Jun 07 22:48:52 I've also found wackily that in addition to holding the phone in strange way s to get a sinal - propped up on the stand on my computer desk works too Jun 07 22:48:59 someone kick maemo.org in the face Jun 07 22:49:09 I think someone already has. Jun 07 22:49:26 k, in the bottom then :) Jun 07 22:49:34 I assume you mean WRT it being randomly lossy? Jun 07 22:49:48 or completely down Jun 07 23:04:10 ~lart maemo.org Jun 07 23:04:26 * infobot puts maemo.org into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of maemo.org's hair of Jun 07 23:08:34 ~slap MohammadAG Jun 07 23:08:43 * infobot slaps MohammadAG, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Jun 07 23:12:14 * SpeedEvil stabs N900evil. Jun 07 23:12:47 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jun 07 23:12:59 * DocScrutinizer stabs SpeedEvil Jun 07 23:13:25 I'm now connected through the n900 3G - through this computer. And the n900 just autoconnected to my wifi, and logged in. Jun 07 23:13:41 lol Jun 07 23:13:45 So, it has phone, usbnet, and wifi interfaces up. Jun 07 23:14:02 Why the hell won't it do this when I want it to. Jun 07 23:14:03 beware of feedback loops :-P Jun 07 23:14:54 hmm Jun 07 23:15:09 * MohammadAG wonders what to do, other than ranting about maemo.org being down when you need it Jun 07 23:15:25 and your wifi is connected to the internet via your PC and your N900? X-D Jun 07 23:16:27 * DocScrutinizer feels dizzy Jun 07 23:17:03 SpeedEvil: tethering? Jun 07 23:17:15 yes Jun 07 23:17:19 no Jun 07 23:17:38 I want to be able to simply use my n900 as a socks proxy Jun 07 23:17:41 so you actually deprived the maemo system from access to modem :-) Jun 07 23:17:42 with sshd Jun 07 23:17:44 no, i hope not Jun 07 23:18:05 but if you make it with SSh will be fine Jun 07 23:18:08 so use it over wifi as a socks proxy over the internet Jun 07 23:18:36 prpxy noo Jun 07 23:19:05 SpeedEvil1: I wonder what a ifconfig on N900 would say ATM Jun 07 23:19:55 and of course what route looks like Jun 07 23:20:26 http://pastebin.com/gf7h1WYs Jun 07 23:20:30 I diddn't check route Jun 07 23:20:44 SpeedEvil1: if you used tethering via USB, then probably the modem shouldn't show up as network device on N900 Jun 07 23:20:56 possibly, yes Jun 07 23:21:15 LOL maemo.org just died completely now Jun 07 23:21:28 which package is dig in? Jun 07 23:21:49 hmm, phonet0 UP PTP Jun 07 23:26:19 MohammadAG: uploading 0.2 now if yer interested. Jun 07 23:26:59 maemo.org just suffering from a borked CSS as it seems Jun 07 23:27:20 also some bug in JS, like Jun 07 23:27:24 Fehler: http://maemo.org/profile/view/joerg_rw/: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: jQuery Jun 07 23:27:31 DocScrutinizer: I think it's more likely something to do with their static caching .. Jun 07 23:27:50 Damnit, can't upload :( Jun 07 23:27:56 it's back! Jun 07 23:28:02 alterego, you can, use dput Jun 07 23:28:04 Have anyone here used Nokia's Remote Device Access with n900? Jun 07 23:28:15 MohammadAG: don't have it set up. Jun 07 23:28:36 alterego, then get off your arse and set it up :P Jun 07 23:28:39 lostinmirkwood: I don't think anyone here has used Nokias RDA at all :P Jun 07 23:28:48 MohammadAG: how?! Jun 07 23:28:49 * MohammadAG has, haha Jun 07 23:28:50 :P Jun 07 23:28:59 alterego, got linux installed or something? Jun 07 23:29:06 or scratchbox (XD) Jun 07 23:29:08 or both Jun 07 23:29:08 Okay, hang on .. Jun 07 23:29:10 * alterego done Jun 07 23:29:16 Got ubuntu 10.04 :P Jun 07 23:29:16 well Jun 07 23:29:24 , too bad seems that their installer for maemo has a bit of a bug. Jun 07 23:29:27 since scratchbox is "brainfucked" (C) DocScrutinizer Jun 07 23:29:40 I use madde .. Jun 07 23:29:48 OK, so I have a question to put to those of you who have actually been involved in other opensource projects. Jun 07 23:29:50 you'll need to do it once in scratchbox and once outside it (unless you're only using it inside.... oh) Jun 07 23:30:03 alterego, got something like terminal in that thing? Jun 07 23:30:07 How does the burnout rate in Maemo compare? Jun 07 23:30:24 MohammadAG: I think I'll justwait until maemo.org is back P Jun 07 23:30:26 alterego, apt-get install dput Jun 07 23:30:30 Do you want the latest package? Jun 07 23:30:48 me? nah, I'll probably be tempted to upload it Jun 07 23:30:57 Heh Jun 07 23:31:06 maemo.org is back btw Jun 07 23:31:09 Well, you can't without the source :P Jun 07 23:31:23 non-free exists for a reason Jun 07 23:31:29 maemo.org is still being crap for me .. Jun 07 23:31:33 I can fake the .changes file Jun 07 23:31:38 got many templates for that Jun 07 23:31:45 curses .. Jun 07 23:32:08 alterego, Jun 07 23:32:15 fakeroot apt-get install dput Jun 07 23:32:33 nano /etc/dput.cf, add your username to the specific firld Jun 07 23:32:35 field Jun 07 23:32:43 What kind of authentication does it use? Jun 07 23:32:45 ssh-keygen -t rsa (keep hitting enter) Jun 07 23:33:02 ssh, it uses the public key Jun 07 23:33:13 Ah, right. Jun 07 23:33:50 cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Jun 07 23:34:01 copy the crap there into your garage profile Jun 07 23:34:04 and you're done Jun 07 23:35:22 Yeah, already done all of that before. Jun 07 23:35:24 err, take care of the user@engine tail Jun 07 23:36:20 alterego, then just do a dput -f fremantle-extras-builder file_source.changes Jun 07 23:36:59 Well, I don't know my key, and I can't load maemo.org .. Jun 07 23:37:11 what key Jun 07 23:37:17 that's on garage.maemo.org Jun 07 23:37:18 My pub key Jun 07 23:37:22 cat it Jun 07 23:37:30 cat ~/.ssh/rsa_id.pub Jun 07 23:38:01 I've already setup a key on garage, my problem is, I don't know where it is, so I'd have to do a new one, but I can't because I can't access maemo.org .. Jun 07 23:38:03 define the key in https://garage.maemo.org/account/ Jun 07 23:38:16 alterego, garage never went down :) Jun 07 23:38:31 and you don't need a key Jun 07 23:38:37 you provide the key on garage Jun 07 23:38:39 If garage isn't down, then why is the assistant? Jun 07 23:38:48 cause it uses the maemo.org theme? Jun 07 23:38:50 It's under g.m.o? Jun 07 23:38:56 yeah Jun 07 23:39:03 Oh, ghey .. Jun 07 23:39:05 but doesn't use the theme/images from maemo.org Jun 07 23:39:15 Who's been pissing around with themes then?! Jun 07 23:39:33 * MohammadAG points at DocScrutinizer Jun 07 23:39:44 :P Jun 07 23:39:44 see above: maemo.org just suffering from a borked CSS as it seems Jun 07 23:39:49 * alterego shakes his head at DocScrutinizer :P Jun 07 23:41:24 huh, weird Jun 07 23:41:33 my Nokia Messaging account got removed Jun 07 23:42:00 and when I added it, it showed me a new TS Jun 07 23:42:08 hey lcuk Jun 07 23:42:21 heya MohammadAG Jun 07 23:42:35 * lcuk just did something worrying Jun 07 23:42:36 lcuk: o/ Jun 07 23:42:40 hiya DocScrutinizer Jun 07 23:42:46 Who's been pissing around with themes then?! Jun 07 23:42:53 there's your answer * lcuk just did something worrying Jun 07 23:43:03 :-P Jun 07 23:43:03 nahhh Jun 07 23:43:03 No input? Jun 07 23:43:09 just something ive wanted to do for a while Jun 07 23:43:24 GAN900: didn't understand the question Jun 07 23:43:28 rm -rf'd root? Jun 07 23:43:34 i mapped and visualised when im talking in which irc channels Jun 07 23:43:43 or erased /dev/mtd0... oh Jun 07 23:44:19 :D lol Jun 07 23:44:28 alterego, oh and use https, it works better, for some reason Jun 07 23:44:33 DocScrutinizer, well, we seem to have an above average burnout rate for people in this community. Jun 07 23:44:46 Compared to my perception of other open source communities Jun 07 23:44:49 wouldn't be surprised Jun 07 23:44:59 burnout Jun 07 23:45:00 ? Jun 07 23:45:12 But since I've never actually contributed to other open source projects, I dunno whether that's true. Jun 07 23:45:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnout_(psychology) Jun 07 23:45:54 MohammadAG, you didnt remind me about time Jun 07 23:46:11 lcuk, I was just checking through logs Jun 07 23:46:19 (no seriously, I was :P) Jun 07 23:46:22 lol Jun 07 23:47:08 It's something I think Nokia is usually responsible for and it's something MeeGo isn't doing a good job of addressing. Jun 07 23:48:09 found it! Jun 07 23:48:10 lcuk if i come back, someone remind me about "time" Jun 07 23:48:27 GAN900: ack. It's the many little obstacles that drive you mad Jun 07 23:48:39 evening everyone Jun 07 23:48:51 so how do you remove the obsticles Jun 07 23:48:52 DocScrutinizer, I've hit severe burnout twice. Jun 07 23:48:53 a Jun 07 23:49:01 damn left IRC on at work lol Jun 07 23:49:14 * lcuk only hits burnout after a particularly strong curry Jun 07 23:49:34 lcuk, beat the shit out of the managers at Nokia and fire everybody in MeeGo Devices from the S60 division. Jun 07 23:49:35 or beans, then you may leave skid marks :) Jun 07 23:49:48 GAN900: so much hostility :) Jun 07 23:50:18 jcrawfor, you'd have lots of hostility too if you'd been dealing with their bs since 2005. ;) Jun 07 23:50:38 GAN900: who says you have to deal with it? you have a choice don't you? Jun 07 23:50:48 but i do hear your pain ;) Jun 07 23:51:01 lcuk, they need to stop doing everything in their power to put up roadblocks to progress. Jun 07 23:51:06 jcrawfor: /ns ghost Jun 07 23:51:06 I wonder if it's possible to track live rates (ex. EUR to USD) from N900 easily, with an app? Jun 07 23:51:11 jcrawfor, what's my choice? Jun 07 23:51:18 jcrawfor, Android? iPhone? Jun 07 23:51:19 DocScrutinizer: yea i know better i just leave it though :) Jun 07 23:51:20 GAN900, ? Jun 07 23:51:33 GAN900: go buy an old motorolla flip on ebay haha Jun 07 23:51:50 Aranel, i think theres a conversion widget that could do it Jun 07 23:51:59 Aranel: at what accuracy ? Jun 07 23:52:04 it might only lookup new price as you enter a value tho Jun 07 23:52:08 not sure Jun 07 23:52:12 realtime on the main markets ? Jun 07 23:52:13 :) Jun 07 23:52:21 it should be reasonably trivial to take a widget that does similar and update it Jun 07 23:52:28 that's about 5 updates per second Jun 07 23:52:29 lcuk, close the internal tracker, make the policy open by default instead of closed, communicate with the community, pay attention to its input, don't jettison large swaths of customers with each generation, actually support existing customers. Jun 07 23:52:31 are exchange rates delayed like US stock rates? Jun 07 23:52:34 just a quick wget and some grepping Jun 07 23:52:35 jcrawfor: nope Jun 07 23:52:41 ah ok Jun 07 23:52:48 jcrawfor: also US stock rates are only delayed if you don't pay for them Jun 07 23:52:55 gan900: what is this utopia you refer to Jun 07 23:53:04 * Ikarus worked on market data distribution platforms Jun 07 23:53:06 Ikarus: yea i know but what app dev is going to pay for it so that everyone can have it lol Jun 07 23:53:08 lcuk: do you know it's package name? Jun 07 23:53:15 Aranel, nope sorry Jun 07 23:53:16 konfoo, I've often been called overly optimistic. ;) Jun 07 23:53:21 try packages interface on maemo Jun 07 23:53:26 and search for currency or something Jun 07 23:53:33 GAN900, maemo isn't that bad Jun 07 23:53:33 Ikarus: oh so that was your glitch that brought stocks down to a penny last month :) Jun 07 23:53:36 Ikarus: maybe refreshing every 5 mins from xe.com should be enough. Jun 07 23:53:38 GAN900.. Jun 07 23:53:39 gan900: anyhow i agree Jun 07 23:53:40 MohammadAG, no, it's not. Jun 07 23:53:47 MohammadAG, but it's bad enough Jun 07 23:53:50 MohammadAG: getting permission denied from dput :( Jun 07 23:53:57 you are aware that to close the internal tracker would cause a metric fucktonne of work Jun 07 23:53:59 alterego, did you update the ssh key? Jun 07 23:54:08 MohammadAG: yeah, how long does that take? :P Jun 07 23:54:10 and not trivial either Jun 07 23:54:11 GAN900, to be honest it's much more successful that symbian Jun 07 23:54:17 alterego, I'd give it 15 minutes Jun 07 23:54:18 or 30 Jun 07 23:54:23 max 60 Jun 07 23:54:24 xD Jun 07 23:54:26 Hah, Jun 07 23:54:27 lcuk, maintaining two separate trackers make a fuckton of work for everybody else. Jun 07 23:54:33 lcuk, I have no sympathy. Jun 07 23:54:35 sure Jun 07 23:54:41 Well, it's 1am, I'm thinking of just going to sleep and leaving it until the morning proper :P Jun 07 23:54:52 After dealing with the insanity it's caused over the past years. Jun 07 23:54:56 what tracker are you guys talking about? Jun 07 23:55:03 not really Jun 07 23:55:04 Aranel: search in package description Jun 07 23:55:16 jcrawfor, Nokia's internal tracker. Jun 07 23:55:28 i dont think thats the big issue personally Jun 07 23:55:36 jcrawfor, and the fact that it makes it impossible for anybody but Nokia to be involved. Jun 07 23:55:57 lcuk, yeah, it's actually an institution-wide sickness. :) Jun 07 23:56:14 GAN900, but on the same side, theres full gitorious code for many system components Jun 07 23:56:17 i am not sure what you mean by tracker :) Jun 07 23:56:20 Thus beating the shit out of all the managers and firing everybody who came from S60. Jun 07 23:56:21 and people are playing with HIM stuff Jun 07 23:56:23 you say tracker i think torrent site lol Jun 07 23:56:35 GAN900, every company in the world has its own tracker Jun 07 23:56:36 lcuk, which nobody will ever accept a patch for. Jun 07 23:56:42 jcrawfor: bug tracker :P Jun 07 23:56:50 GAN900, thats just bullshit and you know it Jun 07 23:56:56 lcuk, oh? Jun 07 23:57:03 Why do we never get patches, then? Jun 07 23:57:06 alterego: haha i cant believe i did not think of that, i live in one all day long (Jira) Jun 07 23:57:13 and certainly not repeat attempts Jun 07 23:57:41 Because you can count on one hand the number of significant patches Nokia has actually shipped from the community Jun 07 23:57:56 yea even as an employee i found it rather hard to submit a bug for the E72 mail app, i had to use an internal forum to report it, i think that is retarted why not have a public one that any user can add tickets to. Jun 07 23:57:58 Usually they're just left to fester for years on end. Jun 07 23:58:12 lcuk, frankly, I think you've lost your perspective. :) Jun 07 23:58:16 GAN900, dont talk about patches, ook at mers strikingly similar situation, there was a lack of people with indepth gtk knowledge for the longest time around here Jun 07 23:58:23 look ^ Jun 07 23:58:45 Where's microb's source. I've been looking for it off and on, and not found it. Anyone got a pointer? Jun 07 23:58:50 now we have people digging into HIM and playing with the portrait keyboards and interest Jun 07 23:58:58 theres people looking at modest to obtain patches Jun 07 23:59:10 lcuk, when people submit patches and have to wait 8 months to hear either "this product is discontinued" or "no", that's a problem. Jun 07 23:59:13 and if good patches come along you can bet your ass i will integrate them Jun 07 23:59:19 ill fudging do it personally Jun 07 23:59:22 Ah, MicroB Jun 07 23:59:42 Someone the UI never actually got opened like Nokia said it would. Jun 07 23:59:54 lcuk, one product does not a platform make. Jun 08 00:00:19 GAN900: You're at all surprised? Jun 08 00:00:22 lcuk, and improved performance over the past few months doesn't overcome the inertia of years. Jun 08 00:00:23 hrm GAN900 is dislexic :) does not a platform make :) Jun 08 00:00:35 derf, only sometimes. Jun 08 00:00:55 mmm yes platform it make Jun 08 00:00:59 Is is 'legal' for me to fix modest, and put it in extras? Jun 08 00:01:08 (I have no intention of doing so) Jun 08 00:01:09 jcrawfor, how is that dyslexic? Jun 08 00:01:11 SpeedEvil, try it Jun 08 00:01:13 lmao Jun 08 00:01:16 SpeedEvil, yes. Jun 08 00:01:23 fix it first Jun 08 00:01:25 I mean permitted Jun 08 00:01:25 gan saying/reading backwards :) Jun 08 00:01:26 rename it 'microb evolved' Jun 08 00:01:35 wait for the emails to roll in Jun 08 00:01:39 I'm about to get banned from TMO because I said "Go back to the mental institute, mate". Jun 08 00:01:47 lol Jun 08 00:01:54 in off-topic. Jun 08 00:02:06 derf, I'll say it again, I'm ever the optimist. :P Jun 08 00:02:08 MohammadAG: uploaded now :) Jun 08 00:02:13 crashanddie, by whom? Jun 08 00:02:17 note to self: start using ":P" more often, everywhere, at the end of every line. Jun 08 00:02:23 GAN900: Personally, I'm only ever surprised pleasantly. Jun 08 00:02:26 and why are you wasting time in off-topic? Jun 08 00:02:36 because the rest bores me? Jun 08 00:02:40 SpeedEvil, in all seriousness, make some changes and lets go through the motions Jun 08 00:02:41 Did I miss something? Does lcuk work for Nokia now? Jun 08 00:02:43 well, I'm bored everywhere, really Jun 08 00:02:44 alterego, you'll miss the importer Jun 08 00:02:47 derf, I have much to learn. ;) Jun 08 00:02:51 if they are good, i can try my best to get it integrated Jun 08 00:02:53 derf, sort of? Jun 08 00:03:02 What the hell does "sort of" mean? Jun 08 00:03:04 * GAN900 can see the Kool-Aid is strong there. Jun 08 00:03:21 derf ive been on the fremantle application framework team for a while now Jun 08 00:03:31 lcuk: That was merely an example. Jun 08 00:03:32 derf, one of Nokia's numerous contractors. Jun 08 00:03:44 I'm about to get banned from TMO because I said "Go back to the mental institute, mate". Jun 08 00:03:46 lcuk: It's looking like I'm more likely to be emitting kernel patches in the near future. Jun 08 00:03:48 where, can't find it :P Jun 08 00:03:51 sure SpeedEvil but gfi Jun 08 00:04:14 derf: lcuk has been working for Nokia for nearly 20 years. NSA. Nokia Secret Agency. They recently allied with the FBI (Fun Bunch at Intel), and will probably merge to become the KGB. Kool Gang of Brothers. Jun 08 00:04:27 lcuk: yeah - there has been the false impression that lots more is actually closed than really is. Jun 08 00:05:02 MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=697242&postcount=3 Jun 08 00:05:09 SpeedEvil, might as well be closed with the over-the-wall mentality. Jun 08 00:05:09 and SpeedEvil theres certainly much more emphasis on patch taking recently Jun 08 00:05:21 GAN900: Well - yes. Jun 08 00:05:46 GAN900: But if it's not impossible to stick replacement versions of system software on extras... Jun 08 00:05:59 SpeedEvil, depends on the software. Jun 08 00:06:05 Or alternatively, a community repo - though that will have regrettably less traffic Jun 08 00:06:11 GAN900: yeah. Jun 08 00:06:14 how do you write stuff to replace system stuff when the APis are documented? Jun 08 00:06:20 I'm anticipating JRBME may have problems. Jun 08 00:06:26 crashanddie: it's quite easy. Jun 08 00:06:46 * SpeedEvil wonders if there was a missing not in tehre. Jun 08 00:07:09 someone has reimplemented the calendar widget for maemo in OSS :) Jun 08 00:07:45 SpeedEvil: well, then, if it's so easy, can you show me a quick python ICD2 daemon example that intercepts the "connected to wifi" signal, calls a callback to establish the connection to wifi hotspot, and then sends the signal "All ready to go"? Jun 08 00:08:32 SpeedEvil: sorry, meant "when the APIs _aren't_ documented" Jun 08 00:08:57 crashanddie, technically you make your own Jun 08 00:09:06 or reveng Jun 08 00:09:13 but bah Jun 08 00:09:13 lcuk: the framework is there. Everything exists. It's just not documented Jun 08 00:09:27 Reverese engineering what BME must do is not - fundamentally hard. Jun 08 00:09:27 autodocs from the libraries Jun 08 00:09:33 then start fleshing them out manually Jun 08 00:09:33 For example. Jun 08 00:09:53 MohammadAG: well, it's built fine, I'm going to bed now :P Jun 08 00:09:53 yeah and tbh i am happy with leaving that box right where it is for now Jun 08 00:09:54 We have [[N900 Hardware Charge Meter]] and [[N900 Hardware Battery Charger]] docs. Jun 08 00:09:59 good morning Jun 08 00:10:17 night alterego Jun 08 00:10:21 This is a large slice of the pie, combined with the electrical knowledge as to how to charge lithium batteries. (which is not complex) Jun 08 00:10:38 now it's official. today the nets suck Jun 08 00:11:03 You then need to work out - strace, dissasembly, reading APIs, checking dbus introspection, ... what it's talking to, and why. And then work out what format that's in. Jun 08 00:11:15 damn, and I missed the whole fun Jun 08 00:11:18 Then drop in a reverse engineered component. Jun 08 00:11:23 naah. Jun 08 00:11:46 SpeedEvil, sounds entirely like any linux component :p Jun 08 00:12:25 * lcuk still misses how clear the documentation for vb6 was :) Jun 08 00:12:49 it read like the amiga basic manual Jun 08 00:12:57 It's easy to miss edge cases though. Jun 08 00:13:04 sure Jun 08 00:13:07 For example, if BME signals 'battery on fire' Jun 08 00:13:17 And you haven't tested it with an on-fire battery. Jun 08 00:13:38 tmo needs to be cleansed with fire Jun 08 00:14:08 SpeedEvil: atleast we know the BME doesn't implement battery authentication (Nokia wasn't quite that paranoid on the N900) Jun 08 00:14:20 portscan :-/ Jun 08 00:15:38 WTF?! 3.0.190.85.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer proxyscan.freenode.net. Jun 08 00:16:04 looks like it does what it says on the tin Jun 08 00:16:14 yeah Jun 08 00:16:18 but if you havent got anytihng on that port why are you being pestered Jun 08 00:16:39 Ikarus: yes. Jun 08 00:16:42 ie why have you got your firewall configured to paranoid Jun 08 00:16:51 but I wonder if it's just an incidentally that my DSL gone down Jun 08 00:18:04 lcuk: that's just my NAT log showing a massive portscan Jun 08 00:18:04 How do you connect the fact that your being port scanned by freenode and your DSL going down... Jun 08 00:18:17 I mean MAYBE if you were being flooded with port scans Jun 08 00:18:53 Termana: dunno Jun 08 00:19:19 the router running that NAT is Zyxel crap Jun 08 00:19:58 maybe it just rebooted or something Jun 08 00:20:22 can't say which end dropped the DSL Jun 08 00:20:36 * SpeedEvil wishes for opendsl Jun 08 00:20:57 whatever that means Jun 08 00:21:14 DocScrutinizer, and you didn't just, you know, trip over the cord accidentally? :P Jun 08 00:21:15 An open-source DSL modem. Jun 08 00:21:32 With an A/D, a DAC, and a processor, and a fully open source DSL modem stack Jun 08 00:21:46 SpeedEvil, isn't that what OpenWRT it about? Jun 08 00:21:49 no Jun 08 00:21:51 is* Jun 08 00:21:53 Termana: nothing like that Jun 08 00:22:09 Termana: OpenWRT basically ignores the whole modem part, as it's complex and hard. Jun 08 00:22:41 OpenWRT things that work with DSL do it by using the original closed binaries. Jun 08 00:23:21 frals, you want me to read all of this? http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html XD Jun 08 00:23:40 * MohammadAG starts wget -m, he'll need them this summer holiday Jun 08 00:24:08 SpeedEvil: odd how no company wants to release an ATM+ADSL2+ stack into the open, wonder why ;) Jun 08 00:24:37 * toresbe just prefers to have a Linux box do the routing and leave the DSL to some embedded software that's usually able to deal with that well Jun 08 00:24:42 Ikarus: battery authentication? :-o Now that sounds nasty - like printer cartridge chips Jun 08 00:25:05 asj: I happen to have a DSL modem that is crap, and I'd like to replace it - but I can't. It's got a comedy coding rror. Jun 08 00:26:02 asj: normally, you can request to the exchange that you get an increased margin. The exchange sets the default margin at times very high. For example, due to occasional noise on my line - occasionally as high as 20dB. Jun 08 00:26:19 DocScrutinizer: Nokia has been considering it, due to third party batteries catching fire and the like Jun 08 00:26:32 asj: that's because there's lots of know how in that stack, to squeeze the most out of the line Jun 08 00:27:06 asj: The comedy error is that if instead of saying 'adsl snr 30' - to set the margin to 3dB more than the exchange wants - as added security - I can say 'adsl snr 65520' - to set it to lots less than the exchange wants. Jun 08 00:27:29 Ikarus: insane Jun 08 00:27:41 Yes. Jun 08 00:27:55 It couldn't have anything at all to do with the fact that nokia makes profits onbatteries. Jun 08 00:28:07 SpeedEvil: actually no Jun 08 00:28:14 SpeedEvil: given that they have had the tech ready for years Jun 08 00:28:23 just never implemented it because the problem is less bad now Jun 08 00:29:03 They are shaving costs. Jun 08 00:29:13 hehehe Jun 08 00:29:13 They omitted a charge monitor chip from the bat, for example. Jun 08 00:29:23 yep Jun 08 00:29:26 :-S Jun 08 00:29:40 gta02-battery FTW Jun 08 00:30:56 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54117&highlight=charge+meter - for example - people thinking hals idea of the batteyr capacity means something Jun 08 00:31:13 DocScrutinizer: having writen dsl drivers, and worked on closed source atm stack yes I'm very aware of that, see the ;) Jun 08 00:31:48 SpeedEvil: actually that is one hell of a common cost saving :( Jun 08 00:31:53 asj: I actually also for some reason I ahven't worked out - get considereably higher downstream performance if I knock out a fair number of the upstream carriers. Jun 08 00:32:07 ie, I don't have a phone battery or netbook battery with charge monitor Jun 08 00:32:26 I do Jun 08 00:33:14 and IIRC that was about some additional 6 bucks / battery, for GTA02 Jun 08 00:33:37 SpeedEvil: mmm, I could speculate as to why, but that wouldn't seem unreasonable. Given the environment adsl lives in it's kind of amazing to see how well it works Jun 08 00:33:58 asj: yeah. I guess it's some nonlinearity on the line Jun 08 00:34:21 asj: As I read the standards - there is no modeling of that int he training sequence Jun 08 00:34:33 SpeedEvil: harmonics? Jun 08 00:34:38 yes Jun 08 00:34:42 or IM Jun 08 00:34:53 I think harmonics rather than IM Jun 08 00:35:31 SpeedEvil: (training) yep. Though asj should know better ;-P Jun 08 00:35:59 SpeedEvil: if you had enough details you should be able to read back exactly why...but alas... :) Jun 08 00:36:41 (a vs b was better I mean) Jun 08 00:36:42 asj: yes - step 0 would be instrumenting an existing stack. Which is often tricky. Jun 08 00:36:51 I cheated. Jun 08 00:37:42 I assumed two blocks cut out of the DSL upstream would give best response. I tried them all, till I found the optimum one that gave a sane upstream margin and best downstream performance. Jun 08 00:37:47 ~700 retrains. Jun 08 00:38:09 SpeedEvil: you need a girlfriend ;) Jun 08 00:38:10 * asj runs Jun 08 00:38:45 It was two lines of shell. Jun 08 00:38:49 And, yes. Jun 08 00:39:30 * SpeedEvil ponders a personal ad. 'Wanted - Girl with machine shop. Send picture (of shop)'. Jun 08 00:39:56 the responses might scare you Jun 08 00:40:03 lol Jun 08 00:42:43 SpeedEvil: you need a girlfriend ;) Jun 08 00:42:49 relationships are overrated Jun 08 00:42:53 it's exciting the first year Jun 08 00:43:02 the second year gets normal Jun 08 00:43:07 third year the complaints start Jun 08 00:43:18 haha Jun 08 00:43:20 4th year you get kids, and then your life tumbles downhill Jun 08 00:43:22 SpeedEvil: oddly enough, I met my wife on a linpeople (which grew into freenode) Jun 08 00:43:22 wait till you hit 10 Jun 08 00:43:27 except this advice is coming from a teenager, so change years to days Jun 08 00:43:34 XD Jun 08 00:43:37 :) Jun 08 00:44:09 well, kids aren't that bad Jun 08 00:44:19 i have two kids, they are great Jun 08 00:44:41 everyone else's kids are bad.. there's the distinction Jun 08 00:46:31 well, relationships eventually kill your early outside life Jun 08 00:46:36 #maemo killed mine Jun 08 00:47:05 MohammadAG: fail Jun 08 00:47:21 ~fsck luke-jr Jun 08 00:47:23 e2fsck /dev/luke-jr : warning! filesystem contains idiots! Jun 08 00:47:34 MohammadAG: not all relationships are marriage Jun 08 00:47:35 <3 that one Jun 08 00:47:41 and the whole point of marriage is kids Jun 08 00:47:46 luke-jr, I was referring to that part Jun 08 00:48:00 4th year you get kids, and then your life tumbles downhill Jun 08 00:48:08 no, that's the beginning Jun 08 00:48:09 make it 4+, it varies :P Jun 08 00:48:19 and you'd need to have some kind of disorder to take 4 years Jun 08 00:48:27 luke-jr, how old are you :) Jun 08 00:48:36 24 I think Jun 08 00:48:48 25 in a few days if correct Jun 08 00:48:49 I think <-- lol Jun 08 00:48:55 hmm, i met my wife on the good old days text mud... Jun 08 00:48:57 1985 Jun 08 00:49:00 haha Jun 08 00:49:05 yeah, I'll be 25 Jun 08 00:49:17 1985, damn Jun 08 00:49:35 pigeon: what was she on the mud, date we ask ;) Jun 08 00:49:35 in 1985 i was making chlorine bombs and beating on the amiga keyboard Jun 08 00:49:35 married, 4 kids so far Jun 08 00:49:47 LOL Jun 08 00:49:54 asj: as in? Jun 08 00:50:18 pigeon: yeah Jun 08 00:50:28 * MohammadAG got lost Jun 08 00:50:38 * pigeon got lost too. Jun 08 00:50:39 MohammadAG: N N E E W S N E Jun 08 00:50:52 Riiight..., what? Jun 08 00:50:56 MohammadAG: n00b Jun 08 00:51:07 those are obviously directions Jun 08 00:51:13 north, north, east, east, west, south, north, east Jun 08 00:51:17 * SpeedEvil ponders Jun 08 00:51:18 sigh Jun 08 00:51:25 east + west must imply some kind of magic/trap Jun 08 00:51:26 luke-jr, I'm not sure #maemo allows swear words, so I'll use $SWEARWORD instead Jun 08 00:51:32 asj: ;) Jun 08 00:51:34 I think you banged against the door of the knights guild. Jun 08 00:51:55 luke-jr: Many muds had bits with noneuclidian directions. Jun 08 00:52:02 luke-jr: no no, you fell down a hole Jun 08 00:52:11 asj: ah Jun 08 00:52:12 lol Jun 08 00:52:17 luke-jr: As the rooms were simply linked nodes, not a proper map. Jun 08 00:52:28 * MohammadAG kinda remembered portal Jun 08 00:52:29 SpeedEvil: I'm aware; still bad design in most cases :) Jun 08 00:52:30 for some reason Jun 08 00:52:35 * MohammadAG wants Portal 2 Jun 08 00:52:49 MohammadAG: You feel a presence behind you... Jun 08 00:53:10 asj, nah, it's just a portal I forgot to close *fires orange gun* Jun 08 00:53:25 postal! Jun 08 00:53:30 Portal! Jun 08 00:53:40 DocScrutinizer, you really should try it :) Jun 08 00:53:50 there was a mud I used to love, then it was overrun by pkillers and stopped being any fun Jun 08 00:53:55 I know you might not be a gamer, but... it's a smartass's game Jun 08 00:54:00 wtf is a mud Jun 08 00:54:05 I'm out for a postal walk in the night :-P Jun 08 00:54:10 cya Jun 08 00:54:14 cya Jun 08 00:54:20 MohammadAG: Think WOW - but in text Jun 08 00:54:27 MohammadAG: it's a darker version of a moo Jun 08 00:54:32 * MohammadAG forwards two minutes later, wb Doc Jun 08 00:54:53 SpeedEvil, World of Worldcraft? ewww :) Jun 08 00:55:11 MohammadAG: Sort-of. Jun 08 00:55:13 MohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD Jun 08 00:55:25 asj: lol, usually MOO is described in terms of MUD, not vice-versa Jun 08 00:55:34 luke-jr: bah Jun 08 00:55:43 RPGs, bah Jun 08 00:55:45 It's one of the major reasons I don't beat on people who get addicted to WOW/... too badly. Jun 08 00:55:50 I hate RPGs :) Jun 08 00:55:52 As I lost much of a year to muds. Jun 08 00:55:59 I grew up in a MOO Jun 08 00:56:07 FPSs ftw Jun 08 00:56:07 MOOs make MUDs look lame Jun 08 00:56:09 :D Jun 08 00:56:41 * MohammadAG wonders if anyone in here has a PS3 Jun 08 00:56:58 * lcuk sighs Jun 08 00:57:01 i miss portal Jun 08 00:57:11 muds were nothing like wow Jun 08 00:57:13 yay, at least someone played it :) Jun 08 00:57:35 first off, people had genuine interest - not many online idiots to pollute the place Jun 08 00:57:39 second: no gfx Jun 08 00:57:42 third: no gfx Jun 08 00:57:50 luke-jr: I could have said MOO is to Second Life as a Mud is to WoW? Jun 08 00:57:53 first off, people had genuine interest - not many online idiots to pollute the place Jun 08 00:57:59 says that guy playing maemo on an ascii irc channel Jun 08 00:58:04 * MohammadAG looks at talk.maemo.org Jun 08 00:58:11 asj: maybe. I never got Second Life to work Jun 08 00:58:13 I guess history does repeat itself Jun 08 00:58:14 konfoo: I would argue that the lack of graphics is orthogonal. Jun 08 00:58:23 mohammed: haha well true in that sense Jun 08 00:58:30 luke-jr: people buiding huge unpopulated worlds and online sex Jun 08 00:58:41 lol Jun 08 00:58:43 asj: then no Jun 08 00:58:47 orthogonal in what sense Jun 08 00:58:54 MOO is all about programming Jun 08 00:58:56 asj, thats second life Jun 08 00:59:01 and socialization Jun 08 00:59:04 theres more to rpg than flying penises Jun 08 00:59:04 luke-jr: so is SL ;) Jun 08 00:59:08 konfoo: In that gameplay can be - broadly - similar with or without graphics. Jun 08 00:59:12 which might seem contradictatory, but... not quite Jun 08 00:59:18 asj: SL is probably not as programmable Jun 08 00:59:19 penii? Jun 08 00:59:20 luke-jr: the furries would be no where without programming ;) Jun 08 00:59:33 speed: well ofcourse, everything is a variation of pong Jun 08 00:59:46 * lcuk . o O ( i never thought i would be trying to work out the plaural of penis ) Jun 08 01:00:04 graphics greatly restrict the extensibility of programming Jun 08 01:00:08 but a graphical game encourages no thought or imagination, it's a visual bowl of dogfood Jun 08 01:00:22 yup Jun 08 01:00:23 it's much easier to say "The thing bites Wizard's toes." than to try to make an animated model of it Jun 08 01:00:26 and it works sometimes Jun 08 01:00:33 * b-man|laptop trys to get a handle on how this strange conversation has started between you guys Jun 08 01:00:40 well, it's how you describe the wizard's toes Jun 08 01:00:40 konfoo: Well - you get a _wide_ variety of muds. Jun 08 01:00:44 and the thing Jun 08 01:00:54 that description is art in itself Jun 08 01:01:02 its story telling Jun 08 01:01:02 There is that. Jun 08 01:01:09 speed: im not saying all text adventures or muds are equal, far from it Jun 08 01:01:17 But the playstyle, and the story element varies enormously in scope. Jun 08 01:01:19 anyone here play on Elandor or whatever it's called now? Jun 08 01:01:22 we read books without graphics and enjoy them Jun 08 01:01:28 lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gdc2010_newell_portal_BSOD.jpg Jun 08 01:01:40 and there are MANY more books than there are games Jun 08 01:01:41 formerly Middle Earth MUSH Jun 08 01:01:46 muds/text adventures were also a much slower pace Jun 08 01:01:46 rofl Jun 08 01:01:57 konfoo, speak for yourself Jun 08 01:01:59 (yes, I know it's not a real BSOD :p) Jun 08 01:02:02 MohammadAG, +1 Jun 08 01:02:07 mavis beacon told me i could type at 90wpm Jun 08 01:02:08 l Jun 08 01:02:08 l Jun 08 01:02:08 l Jun 08 01:02:09 l Jun 08 01:02:10 b-man|laptop, read the title in the BSOD Jun 08 01:02:10 e Jun 08 01:02:10 I wonder if any muds/mush/moos still exist in a large way? Jun 08 01:02:12 r Jun 08 01:02:15 you had time to absorb what you had read, decide and contemplate what to do, use imagination, etc Jun 08 01:02:24 asj: the one I mentioned seems to Jun 08 01:02:26 GlaDOS Jun 08 01:02:29 GlaDOS Jun 08 01:02:31 LambdaMOO still has constant over 100 online at any time Jun 08 01:02:32 :) Jun 08 01:02:40 thank got the n900 has telnet ;) Jun 08 01:02:44 lcuk: besides moving around Jun 08 01:02:52 MOO is very popular among the blind, I've noticed Jun 08 01:02:57 MohammadAG: lol Jun 08 01:03:04 asj: telnet sucks Jun 08 01:03:08 tangentially, interactive fiction Jun 08 01:03:09 I just used ICA Client for ARM over tsocks to access my company's intranet bug tracker :O awesome Jun 08 01:03:38 lcuk, not sure it's gonna be like the first one http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Portal2-testchamber.jpg Jun 08 01:03:42 konfoo, how fast can you respond to conversation in a channel? Jun 08 01:03:46 I would've settled for extra test champers Jun 08 01:04:01 lcuk: clearly not the same thing Jun 08 01:04:04 motion to move #Maemo to a MOO Jun 08 01:04:06 MohammadAG, o_O Jun 08 01:04:11 konfoo, why not? Jun 08 01:04:17 511 online... Jun 08 01:04:19 * Termana slowly creeps behind luke-jr Jun 08 01:04:20 reacting to stimulus and writing "drop sword" Jun 08 01:04:27 luke-jr is unable to see Termana Jun 08 01:04:31 luke-jr, count both bots you racist Jun 08 01:04:32 * luke-jr suddenly drops dead. Jun 08 01:04:32 lcuk: i dont have to reply to you immediately Jun 08 01:04:38 is just like turning a corner on a gp race Jun 08 01:04:41 i could reply to you next year if this were an if game Jun 08 01:04:45 * Termana runs away Jun 08 01:04:48 konfoo, but the fudging grue is after me Jun 08 01:04:52 MohammadAG: my client literally says "511 nicks"; is it wrong? Jun 08 01:04:56 lcuk: ha Jun 08 01:05:11 * ptl casts a ressurrecting spell upon luke-jr. Jun 08 01:05:13 i dont recall the grue being on a timer :P Jun 08 01:05:18 luke-jr, lag Jun 08 01:05:19 * lopz has quit (Quit: Saliendo) Jun 08 01:05:28 MohammadAG: fail Jun 08 01:05:32 damn interwebz Jun 08 01:05:38 konfoo, good for you, i however pressed the turbo button on my ibm pc Jun 08 01:05:40 so, MaeMOO anyone? Jun 08 01:05:50 that damn character gave me nightmares Jun 08 01:05:58 /cs kick #maemo luke-jr Jun 08 01:06:21 luke-jr, Have you mooed today? Jun 08 01:06:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FP5IDs-KKk for luke-jr Jun 08 01:06:29 ~moo Jun 08 01:06:31 apt-get moo Jun 08 01:06:31 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Jun 08 01:06:42 LOL Jun 08 01:06:45 xDD Jun 08 01:06:51 b-man|laptop, lol Jun 08 01:07:17 ~debian b-man|laptop Jun 08 01:07:19 * infobot tells b-man|laptop to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Jun 08 01:07:27 LOL Jun 08 01:07:34 * MohammadAG hands infobot her pills Jun 08 01:07:42 ~ubuntu MohammadAG Jun 08 01:07:44 * infobot lovingly explains to MohammadAG in a way that causes MohammadAG to weep with gratitude that MohammadAG must read the fine, friendly manual Jun 08 01:08:02 hmm Jun 08 01:08:06 ~fedora b-man|laptop Jun 08 01:08:08 * infobot tells b-man|laptop that becoming RHCP certified, is The One True Way to Supreme Linux Knowledge Jun 08 01:08:14 ~gentoo MohammadAG Jun 08 01:08:16 * infobot recompiles MohammadAG again Jun 08 01:08:20 xD Jun 08 01:08:24 what's gentoo all about Jun 08 01:08:35 is it like a linux distro with no package manager? Jun 08 01:09:29 MohammadAG: you know BSD ports? Jun 08 01:09:30 it's a distribution where every package that is installed via portage (the package manager) is compiled by source Jun 08 01:09:33 its like a distro with a package manager on crack Jun 08 01:09:47 pwnguin, too young to know that Jun 08 01:09:57 *from source locally Jun 08 01:10:07 b-man|laptop, well, that ra**s the CPU... Jun 08 01:10:07 lol Jun 08 01:10:14 MohammadAG: basically, gentoo is like Debian if no developer could agree on any technical decision Jun 08 01:10:16 yup xD Jun 08 01:10:19 telnet nat.router.dashjr.org 7777 Jun 08 01:10:19 ftw Jun 08 01:10:28 and portage basically the coping mechanism for this Jun 08 01:10:37 so Jun 08 01:10:52 portage only downloads the source, and runs make + make install Jun 08 01:11:01 I could do the same and release my own distro Jun 08 01:11:13 should prolly call it MAG Jun 08 01:11:21 MohammadAG: it also lets you customize compiler flags distrowide Jun 08 01:11:31 cool, not Jun 08 01:11:33 :P Jun 08 01:11:33 and set crazy optimization levels Jun 08 01:11:44 I wonder if I can sue MAG for using my initials Jun 08 01:11:46 MohammadAG: it automatically does it for updates too Jun 08 01:11:58 MohammadAG: and works with screwed up non-configure systems Jun 08 01:12:13 but seriously guys Jun 08 01:12:15 luke-jr, how does it handle dependencies Jun 08 01:12:16 join MaeMOO! Jun 08 01:12:17 telnet nat.router.dashjr.org 7777 Jun 08 01:12:27 MohammadAG: by installing them first Jun 08 01:12:27 MohammadAG: http://funroll-loops.info/ Jun 08 01:12:46 MohammadAG: portage trees contain the same dep info debian does Jun 08 01:13:17 MohammadAG: the real power is in USE flags and being able to mix-and-match stable with testing or even unstable Jun 08 01:13:38 I'll stick to Debian Jun 08 01:13:45 you can also install binary package via portage if you don't want to wait for them to compile Jun 08 01:13:48 MohammadAG: sounds good Jun 08 01:13:54 b-man|laptop: only if binaries exist Jun 08 01:13:57 which they generally don't Jun 08 01:13:59 true Jun 08 01:14:04 lol Jun 08 01:14:53 is Arch any good? Jun 08 01:15:24 guys, MaeMOO... Jun 08 01:15:27 take the chat there Jun 08 01:15:28 :D Jun 08 01:15:31 im there Jun 08 01:15:43 yeah, only you :P Jun 08 01:15:48 haha Jun 08 01:16:19 SpeedEvil: telnet nat.router.dashjr.org 7777 Jun 08 01:16:40 we got it Jun 08 01:16:47 also, I can't connect :P Jun 08 01:16:53 MohammadAG: why? Jun 08 01:17:04 * Welcome to MaeMOO! Jun 08 01:17:04 * Type 'connect ' to login, or 'create ' to join. Jun 08 01:17:04 * I don't understand that. Valid commands at this point are Jun 08 01:17:09 * Looking up nat.router.dashjr.org Jun 08 01:17:09 * Connecting to nat.router.dashjr.org (98.179.29.76) port 0... Jun 08 01:17:09 * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused Jun 08 01:17:09 ... Jun 08 01:17:14 b-man|laptop: so type a valid command Jun 08 01:17:24 MohammadAG: you forgot the 7777 Jun 08 01:17:28 nope Jun 08 01:17:33 MohammadAG: your telnet client is broken Jun 08 01:17:44 * MohammadAG uses xchat Jun 08 01:17:51 ... Jun 08 01:18:24 *

This is not a webserver. Try connecting with a telnet client.

Jun 08 01:18:24 * *** Disconnected *** Jun 08 01:18:24 * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). Jun 08 01:18:26 fu Jun 08 01:18:28 XD Jun 08 01:20:30 I.. seriously don't get it Jun 08 01:20:56 * MohammadAG is off Jun 08 01:20:59 Night Jun 08 01:23:41 hmm Jun 08 01:23:50 there's a way to DCC send a MOO I remember Jun 08 01:23:53 I forget how tho Jun 08 01:27:16 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=704672#post704672 Jun 08 01:27:30 there, I contributed to the less developer side of the Maemo community Jun 08 01:27:32 :p Jun 08 01:33:33 neat Jun 08 01:33:49 * SpeedEvil needs tio work out why his kernel will not boot Jun 08 01:34:01 * ptl needs to work out. Jun 08 01:34:14 oh - 810 Jun 08 01:34:54 * SpeedEvil ponders commenting 'this won't boot on my n900'/ Jun 08 02:13:06 hmm, static.maemo.org is down or something... Jun 08 02:15:41 hello, im having a problem logging onto a wireless network, its setup without any encryption or stuff, but my n900 thinks there is, it says: "wifi protected setuo compliant" and wants me to use some button on the ap to autoconfigure or enter in some pin on the ap, but it has neither of those functions... if i do iwlist wlan0 scan on my linux laptop it shows just a standard master mode no encryption open AP Jun 08 02:16:04 any ideas? Jun 08 02:22:02 redeeman: i had similar issue on the weekend with someone's wireless ap, i just go into settings -> internet connections and add the ap connection and it worked. Jun 08 02:22:28 thank you, will try it right now Jun 08 02:23:17 yeah we couldn't figure what that pin method thing is, and there is no button on the ap either. Jun 08 02:23:34 its connecting it seems Jun 08 02:23:55 wills ee if it works now Jun 08 02:24:16 it seems it has worked, its searched for updates Jun 08 02:24:23 pigeon, thanks alot Jun 08 02:24:30 cool, np. Jun 08 02:24:53 now i just hope it supports powersaving Jun 08 02:24:59 otherwise i should have brought an AP myself Jun 08 02:25:04 im in the phillipines, came from denmark Jun 08 02:25:06 so well :) Jun 08 02:26:15 ah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 08 02:59:56 2010