**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 09 02:59:57 2010 Jun 09 03:15:41 pigeon: irreco-widget ? Jun 09 03:17:51 PolarFox: is it on your repo? it's not here with mine Jun 09 03:18:03 there are a lot of irreco-*, but not widget Jun 09 03:18:59 I think I saw it today.. my phone is... well.. somewhere.. But it might be in extras-devel still .. Jun 09 03:30:45 so Jun 09 03:30:54 how goes meefail? Jun 09 03:30:55 :) Jun 09 03:39:23 hm Jun 09 03:39:35 anybody know of any bbs software for linux that uses an ssh daemon? Jun 09 03:42:14 you can prolly put ssh in front of any bbs system, just make it the shell for the ssh logins Jun 09 03:43:45 or just make the bbs the users login shell... Jun 09 04:15:59 buying a used n900 tomorrow - any tips for what to watch for? Jun 09 04:16:30 how do I know it is the most complete model (fm radio et al) Jun 09 04:19:45 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: there is only one model, unless you're buying it in china/hong kong, india or some other country that has awkward rules for cell phones Jun 09 04:24:50 nope - 'merica Jun 09 04:26:06 there are some cheap china plagiates which look quite similar but are in no way n900's Jun 09 04:26:16 differnt os, complete different features Jun 09 04:26:35 otherwise there is only one model, only the keyboard mat differs Jun 09 04:26:43 (local keys) Jun 09 04:26:44 wat is the PR number for next firmware? Jun 09 04:26:50 the rest is all software Jun 09 04:26:53 PR 1.2.1 ? Jun 09 04:27:28 will there be a next firmware? :) Jun 09 04:27:45 how they will fixed bugs? Jun 09 04:27:55 do they? Jun 09 04:28:07 * cehteh doesnt really trust nokia :P Jun 09 04:28:25 since the successor meego phone is on the way ... Jun 09 04:28:36 which sounds like it sucks Jun 09 04:28:38 <.< Jun 09 04:29:07 i think with 1.2 its usable now, the rest i can do by myself except the closed source bugs Jun 09 04:29:37 yawn Jun 09 04:29:39 i still hope nokia will care for the device a little more, but i have some doubts Jun 09 04:29:46 history says not Jun 09 04:29:50 yeah Jun 09 04:30:03 anyways i can live with it as is now Jun 09 04:30:05 honestly, I couldn't care less for Maemo/MeeGo Jun 09 04:30:12 ack Jun 09 04:30:19 but Nokia's closedness prevents most anything else Jun 09 04:30:20 :( Jun 09 04:30:39 basically, I have no loyalty to Nokia :) Jun 09 04:30:56 whoever makes the best (hardware-wise and open-wise) device wins Jun 09 04:31:02 exactly Jun 09 04:31:20 if it turns out to be Nokia, good for them; if not, oh well Jun 09 04:31:20 only happend to be nokia by coincidence this time .. next time it might be someone else Jun 09 04:31:21 cehteh, what would you check before buying a used n900? Jun 09 04:31:26 anything in terms of software? Jun 09 04:31:30 or accessories? Jun 09 04:31:34 while i still expect that my device will last some yeats Jun 09 04:31:38 years Jun 09 04:32:44 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: dunno, except for the oblivious things, mechanically ok, scratches, dead pixels, slider Jun 09 04:33:14 there are dead pixels sometimes even in new devices, you have to check if you can live with it Jun 09 04:33:35 the slider is what on the n900? Jun 09 04:33:40 "slider" Jun 09 04:33:43 battery? .. its replaceable anyways so even if there is a almost dead or 3rd party battery it wont be a problem Jun 09 04:34:01 the keyboard slideout mechanics Jun 09 04:34:04 oh, so is the bat expensive? Jun 09 04:34:07 ah Jun 09 04:34:22 10-20 Eur in europe, not that expensive Jun 09 04:34:31 (original, really recommended) Jun 09 04:34:49 there are cheap $3 batteries but these have no much charge and die soon Jun 09 04:34:55 okay, and I guess I'll just reload/upgrade the software after I purchase it anyway Jun 09 04:35:01 original is around 30 in retaul Jun 09 04:35:13 from nokia Jun 09 04:35:33 but you get original for 17Eur or so here Jun 09 04:35:43 nice Jun 09 04:35:56 you should check the usb socket .. if its bended or loose then dont buy Jun 09 04:36:30 also the lens lid comes off on some devices, the black cap is just glued on the blue plastic part Jun 09 04:36:50 easily fixable, unless its already damaged or the tiny spring there got lost Jun 09 04:37:01 I think I've seen n900s in diff colors and crap - it is supposed to be all black right? Jun 09 04:37:09 yes Jun 09 04:37:25 really beware that you dont get a china plagiate Jun 09 04:37:38 I guess I should be able to tell by..... Jun 09 04:37:40 some look quite exactly the same Jun 09 04:37:40 like running firefox Jun 09 04:37:41 lol Jun 09 04:37:51 that shit would be hard to fake Jun 09 04:38:08 yeah the display res is way lower, usuall those have dual-sim and a very different os Jun 09 04:38:49 dual sim would be cool to have on it actually Jun 09 04:38:59 but that wont be a n900 Jun 09 04:39:39 some devices had problem with reboots Jun 09 04:39:47 but thats rather hard to check Jun 09 04:40:00 and i think PR1.2 fixed that anyways Jun 09 04:40:02 n901 with 5" screen Jun 09 04:40:06 ah, so no model # to check for the reboot problem? Jun 09 04:40:12 no Jun 09 04:40:38 there are some hardware revisions but its not clear how they relate Jun 09 04:40:41 I'll probably have fun reinstalling the OS anyway being a linux slut Jun 09 04:41:10 yeah you prolly want to flash the device completely to wipe any stuff out the former owner put on it Jun 09 04:41:33 must not be locked too Jun 09 04:41:53 i dont think n900 can be locked Jun 09 04:41:58 has nokia a imei datatabase of stolen devices? Jun 09 04:42:02 it can Jun 09 04:42:08 nokia didn't allow any providers to brand it Jun 09 04:42:09 afaik Jun 09 04:42:17 locked i mean pin for the user Jun 09 04:42:31 not simplock Jun 09 04:42:33 oh, like OS password Jun 09 04:42:41 yes kindof that Jun 09 04:42:53 well, if i can use it then it shouldnt have it i guess Jun 09 04:43:05 after a reboot :) Jun 09 04:43:26 do a full boot cycle to check, insert your sim too and check if it works Jun 09 04:43:43 otherwise i think there is not really much you can do as short test Jun 09 04:43:48 good advice Jun 09 04:44:00 there is the healthcheck app you may install and test serveral things Jun 09 04:44:07 I'm not going to have a sim before purchasing it Jun 09 04:44:40 is the healthcheck app from the apt installer? Jun 09 04:44:45 cant you borrow a sim from a friend or so for a test? .. from the same carrier you intend to use? Jun 09 04:44:49 yes Jun 09 04:45:23 you can check for dead pixels (by color screens), test sound, led, vibrator and such Jun 09 04:45:32 hmm, it is possible Jun 09 04:45:33 but its really not an exhaustive in depth test Jun 09 04:45:52 I'm thrilled at how much more helpful you all are than the android community Jun 09 04:45:53 heh Jun 09 04:45:55 i admit you can hardly do an in depth test when buying it Jun 09 04:46:30 well .. watch out for scratches on the screen, the resistive screen is a plastic foil, not glass Jun 09 04:46:43 ah Jun 09 04:46:48 and get a screen protector if you dont plan to be super-careful with it Jun 09 04:46:53 you all use those crazy shock protective cases with your n900s? Jun 09 04:47:01 i build my own :) Jun 09 04:47:05 interesting Jun 09 04:47:08 any pics? Jun 09 04:47:22 don't the screen protectors diminish touch screen effectiveness? Jun 09 04:50:01 not noticeable Jun 09 04:50:41 did your n900 come with 32gig microsd? Jun 09 04:51:54 nope, it has ~30G of usable internal storage Jun 09 04:52:06 but usually doesn't come with a microsd Jun 09 04:52:16 http://git.pipapo.org/n900case/n900_shell.html Jun 09 04:53:47 the package originally contains: usb cable, av-cable, crappy earbuds, cleaning cloth, charger, usb-charge adapter for old nokia chargers Jun 09 04:54:03 joppu: all themes derived from the theme templates are CC BY SA, so yours has to be too Jun 09 04:54:04 no wrist strap, no microsd Jun 09 04:54:17 but a used device might be equipped slightly differently Jun 09 04:54:57 well you should be sure the usb cabel and the charger are included at least Jun 09 04:55:20 joppu: same right that gave you ability to alter and make themes has to be passed on to others Jun 09 04:55:23 (anything should be available as 3rd party) Jun 09 04:55:34 joppu: go shout at rst38h for not fixing the package though Jun 09 04:57:18 is there a pages somewhere where the available themes are previewable with screenshots? Jun 09 04:57:43 since the themes are rather big i dont want to install tons of them just to choose Jun 09 04:58:05 (imo themes should have their own category on HAM anyways) Jun 09 05:05:46 hm Jun 09 05:05:50 i installed the enhanced kernel Jun 09 05:06:08 does it have the ability to use the conservative governor? Jun 09 05:06:22 right now it's set to ondemand Jun 09 05:06:42 i thought ondemand steps up faster than conservative Jun 09 05:07:45 cpu goes up to 1150? :) Jun 09 05:07:47 heh Jun 09 05:07:56 * Macer pictures melting his n900 at 1.1GHz Jun 09 05:08:53 i wouldn't mind bumping up the freq to like 850 Jun 09 05:09:02 that sounds reasonable :) Jun 09 05:09:08 with a conservative governor Jun 09 05:09:24 so it doesn't go straight to 850 like ondemand does Jun 09 05:12:37 you prefer melting it with 850 MHz?-) Jun 09 05:12:50 you're right Jun 09 05:12:54 i should go for broke :) Jun 09 05:13:05 maybe i can stick a smal fan and vent system in it Jun 09 05:13:16 now there's an idea =) Jun 09 05:13:21 heh Jun 09 05:13:39 or i can just stick it in a copper enclosure Jun 09 05:13:48 make the entire phone copper minus teh screen Jun 09 05:13:55 and keep it out of my pocket Jun 09 05:14:07 and use the case as a heatsink while it runs at 1.1GHz Jun 09 05:14:23 actually.. for now i am just trying to figure out how to use kernel-config to change the governor Jun 09 05:14:38 but i have to find out what governors are in the enhanced kernel Jun 09 05:18:03 ah. got it Jun 09 05:18:24 i'm curious as to whether or not a conservative gov will work better on the battery life while providing the same performance Jun 09 05:20:00 it seems like my phone always runs at 600MHz :) Jun 09 05:32:34 eek Jun 09 05:32:39 Jun 09 05:33:12 when playing music its at 35% 250mhz here .. i rather would like to enable the 125Mhz for that Jun 09 06:07:23 cehteh, have you tried forcing the MHz to 125 in that case? Jun 09 06:07:32 (by setting max frequency to 125 during playing) Jun 09 06:08:05 flux: i have the nokia kernel still Jun 09 06:08:19 oh Jun 09 06:08:38 well, installing a new kernel is just an apt-get away Jun 09 06:09:11 TADAAA, found first hardware BUG in N900 :-D Jun 09 06:09:22 oh? Jun 09 06:09:36 you can kill SoC GPIO55 Jun 09 06:09:43 hm :) Jun 09 06:09:52 by applying Vbat via LP5523 Jun 09 06:10:31 do to tell nokia, I'm sure they'll fix it for the next hw revision 8) Jun 09 06:10:49 INT output of LP5523, when used as GPO (sw controlled), switches properties from pulldown to totem-pole Jun 09 06:11:10 flux: i am burned .. some time ago my only/first try to do so got me the only broken kernel from t-tan :) Jun 09 06:11:18 had to reflash then.. Jun 09 06:11:39 well i eventually will try next time when i have some spare time and be bored enough Jun 09 06:11:43 cehteh, not a big deal, reflashing, though Jun 09 06:11:49 yes it is Jun 09 06:11:53 which means it's feeding Vbat+ to SoC GPIO55, when '1' Jun 09 06:12:03 because i have to restore a shitload other customizations Jun 09 06:12:19 cehteh, no, if you flash just the kernel Jun 09 06:12:46 well next time Jun 09 06:13:04 DocScrutinizer: that means you can fry the device in software? Jun 09 06:13:09 yep Jun 09 06:13:48 nice one, package it Jun 09 06:14:06 n900fry try at your own risk Jun 09 06:14:09 basically, though I don't expect tooooo worse thing happen when a totem-pole with Vhigh of Vbat is feeding a SoC GPIO Jun 09 06:14:53 remember the people who tried a unpatched 2.6.32 kernel which almost made their device melt? Jun 09 06:15:08 LOL Jun 09 06:15:09 well thats another case, but still :) Jun 09 06:15:37 fwiw, i did not have my device melt in .33 Jun 09 06:15:37 :P Jun 09 06:15:48 vanilla? Jun 09 06:15:55 you almost always can force two GPIO of two chips to output-fight each other Jun 09 06:16:20 Stskeeps: iirc some nokia patches went into .33 so that might explain that Jun 09 06:16:29 s/to /two / Jun 09 06:16:30 DocScrutinizer meant: you almost always can force two GPIO of two chips two output-fight each other Jun 09 06:16:52 err, scratch that s/ Jun 09 06:17:02 morn wazd Jun 09 06:17:03 Stskeeps: but note that the cpu voltage is controlled by the kernel itself :) Jun 09 06:18:30 Stskeeps: moo :) Jun 09 06:18:36 hello people :) Jun 09 06:18:50 anyway, that GPIO_55 has a pullup to VIO_1.8, and Vbat may be 4.2 Jun 09 06:20:17 so I'd say, it's STRONGLY DISCOURAGED to drive LP5523 INT output under software control Jun 09 06:24:02 reg 0x3B, bit2 MUST be 0 Jun 09 07:05:30 baa Jun 09 07:06:00 Hello, how i can remove my operator-data-connection settings... it allows me delete wlan ect.. but not the operator settings.. Jun 09 07:07:49 no (simple) way Jun 09 07:08:16 set AP name to some faulty value Jun 09 07:08:31 Lazy^: fAPN might help you - I'm not sure, but it's worth a try. Jun 09 07:11:15 Duckboot: noup, i can delete mms settings =) Jun 09 07:11:20 from fAPN Jun 09 07:13:16 Lazy^: Ok - Then I don't know ;-P Jun 09 07:13:20 It's Operator GPRS settings, and i want to delete it so i can get new settings from operator Jun 09 07:13:54 Lazy^: Edit you old settings - That's atleast what I did when I changed Operator. Jun 09 07:14:37 Duckboot: yes i can edit it.. no prob.. but when i'm trying to determine that n900 is allowed to connect to it automatically, it's not on the list Jun 09 07:14:37 afaik N900 can not 'receive new settings via SMS' Jun 09 07:15:52 DocScrutinizer51: It can - I tried it with setting my phone to Nokia E75, and getting my operator to send me an SMS with settings - It worked for me. Jun 09 07:16:33 err, mhm Jun 09 07:17:13 iirc it didn't work for me with PR1.0 Jun 09 07:17:27 maybe they fixed the SMS app Jun 09 07:18:50 but then probably it also will overwrite old settings, so still no reason to delete the connection Jun 09 07:22:13 well, doesn't n900 support multiple connections? Jun 09 07:22:19 and it selects them based on operator Jun 09 07:23:06 ( that's how it worked for me ) Jun 09 07:26:06 jacekowski: that'd be nice Jun 09 07:26:46 well, i swapped sims o2/plusgsm/t-mobile and i had gprs straight away Jun 09 07:29:22 hmm, should better be bound to actual network the modem registerd to. You might be roaming Jun 09 07:30:47 anyway, I got the problem I want to use different APN settings with same carrier. Seems this isnMt supported - have to edit Jun 09 07:32:46 what is the scenario for not using "internet" apn? Jun 09 07:33:26 any of you tried timing how long does it take to charge up the N900 battery assuming from empty level using USB2 dedicated port? Jun 09 07:33:30 O2 Jun 09 07:34:21 psycho_oreos: 3:30 with charger Jun 09 07:34:53 maybe +1h for standard usb host PC Jun 09 07:35:42 DocScrutinizer51, thanks, might have to re-organise my schedule.. I bricked my phone for the first time on the way to work today and I'm assuming its flat due to excessive reboots during the day in a bid to hopefully see that it will still boot Jun 09 07:35:44 DocScrutinizer, 3:30? 2:15 here?! Jun 09 07:36:06 manual says 3:30 iirc Jun 09 07:36:22 hmmm just checked battery eye, its between 2:15 and 2:45 on mine Jun 09 07:36:47 thats from about 3% to 97% but then my device doesnt go above 97 lol Jun 09 07:37:58 noobmonk3y: yeah, and last 3% take another 1h Jun 09 07:38:05 hahaha :) Jun 09 07:38:12 damn that last 3% :( Jun 09 07:38:15 no haha Jun 09 07:39:35 logical consequence of CC/CV charging Jun 09 07:39:55 cc/cv? Jun 09 07:40:22 const current / const voltage Jun 09 07:43:49 you might even say it *never* reaches 100 Jun 09 07:44:38 so you simply have to stop charging at some point and say 'that's 100 for me now' Jun 09 07:46:21 hey is there a way to get the file picking dialogues and file manager to display the whole filenames? Jun 09 07:46:36 s/dialogues/dialogs/ Jun 09 07:46:37 mece meant: hey is there a way to get the file picking dialogs and file manager to display the whole filenames? Jun 09 07:46:40 maybe indicator says 'charging complete' at 97, but Nokia's figure of 3:30 is for 99.9 Jun 09 07:47:02 mece: no Jun 09 07:47:25 which is a PITA Jun 09 07:48:03 morning Jun 09 07:48:03 DocScrutinizer51, grr argh! no kidding! Gaddammit! Jun 09 07:48:09 there must be a hack. Jun 09 07:48:33 so the 900 has usb host after all? what if i want to run a power hungry device, is the simplest way to add a powered hub? Jun 09 07:48:47 it's a .so lib I guess. You might hack that Jun 09 07:49:21 mece: check -dev mailing list Jun 09 07:49:27 topic was up yesterday Jun 09 07:49:28 solrize: not yet, we're still working on it. And yes Jun 09 07:49:36 tx Jun 09 07:50:25 frals, hmm. I'm on that, but didn't get any mails. I think. Jun 09 07:50:37 oh nvm Jun 09 07:50:40 bug #430 Jun 09 07:50:41 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430 Show and edit filename extensions Jun 09 07:50:53 my bad :) Jun 09 07:51:29 mece: I got me a bindmount of / to MyDocs/myroot/ Jun 09 07:51:58 another one for /home Jun 09 07:52:06 wfm Jun 09 07:54:13 what software options do I have if I want to turn my n900 into a wlan ap? Jun 09 07:54:16 bah, extensions - that's yet another issue where not even bindmount will help :-S Jun 09 07:54:23 is there anything besides joikuspot? Jun 09 07:54:46 dnaumov: There is some software called Hotspot (or something like that) Jun 09 07:55:03 dnaumov: I didn't get it to work - but some have. Jun 09 07:56:29 hey, filemanager is open source! Jun 09 07:56:34 also I am a bit confused regarding how WifiEye works, why does it seem to require to be connected to some WLAN connection before it can tell me about all the WLAN networks in the vicinity? Jun 09 07:59:09 ok so would it be a difficult fix to fork and modify filepicker and filemanager to make things show up? Jun 09 07:59:21 err extensions show up is what I means Jun 09 08:01:23 * DocScrutinizer51 takes microsoft and android and beats Nokia with it down the street of Unix Jun 09 08:02:50 aah. forgot: in PR1.3 we'll get drive letters, starting at 'C:' Jun 09 08:05:19 hello! How to get selected item when I clicked on TouchSelector? Jun 09 08:07:38 Morning. Jun 09 08:09:16 moanin Jun 09 08:19:31 ok.. the removing of extensions is done in hildon-file-system-model.c Jun 09 08:20:38 in the function hildon_file_system_model_new_item Jun 09 08:22:19 hey guys Jun 09 08:22:39 I've been doing a lot of work to bring hardware accelerated 3D to qemu Jun 09 08:22:57 I almost have things working, and I can boot maemo / meego on it Jun 09 08:23:06 mece: patch it and share the fixed version :-D Jun 09 08:23:30 but I appear to have run into a bug that googling shows has struck the maemo community before Jun 09 08:23:45 ClutterX11-WARNING **: Failed to get XImage of pixmap: 200704, removing Jun 09 08:24:02 moaning 2 Jun 09 08:24:09 has anyone fixed this? Jun 09 08:24:19 hmm Jun 09 08:24:38 DocScrutinizer51, I was thinking I'd just compile and put it on my N900 :P Jun 09 08:24:40 'cos if so, I suspect this is the last remaining bug before maemo / moblin / meego can make use of qemu + hard3D Jun 09 08:25:07 DocScrutinizer, could we fork this and put it in extras? Jun 09 08:25:23 as a replacement.. Jun 09 08:25:43 mece: why not? Jun 09 08:26:39 yeah.. why not.. I have no idea how to actually do it, but it would be logical for community to make own versions of the open stuff that we don't like. Jun 09 08:26:57 anyone at all? Jun 09 08:27:07 damn, I wish lcuk was about :/ Jun 09 08:27:26 sorry spyro, wasn't paying attention.. what's that? Jun 09 08:27:33 \o/ Jun 09 08:27:43 I've been working on qemu hardware 3D accel Jun 09 08:27:56 mostly so meego can boot on qemu Jun 09 08:28:05 but it also affects moblin and maemo Jun 09 08:28:26 I'm seeing this error from clutter now that I've fixed a number of its other 'issues' Jun 09 08:28:27 spyro, cool. Jun 09 08:28:41 Failed to get XImage of pixmap , removing Jun 09 08:28:45 spyro, hmm I get lots of those in scratchbox Jun 09 08:29:19 yeah for me it all works great now, but as soon as those messages appear, it loses its ability to read the window contents and it just displays garbage Jun 09 08:30:03 any nokians here? got bug10559 reproduced somehow and you might be interested Jun 09 08:30:05 It looks like no-one cares about the software TFP fallback path, which is very sad :-( Jun 09 08:30:36 bug 10559 Jun 09 08:30:37 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10559 CPU +0.2 load constantly Jun 09 08:31:25 ok, so what happens if I upload my magical version of libhildonfm to extras-devel? would it come up as an update? Jun 09 08:31:37 darn still wrong there its CPU +1.1 load constantly now Jun 09 08:32:06 bug #10559 Jun 09 08:32:12 chem|st: whats showing in top thats using CPU ? Jun 09 08:32:13 oops Jun 09 08:32:15 already there. Jun 09 08:32:22 povbot is slow today.. Jun 09 08:32:22 mece: Error: "is" is not a valid command. Jun 09 08:32:24 mece: regarding normal ways yes Jun 09 08:32:46 spyro: nothing relay all things but top are in S state... Jun 09 08:33:09 what about tasks waiting for IO Jun 09 08:33:20 load being up isnt only about cpu usage Jun 09 08:33:42 that the system load doesnt drop in seconds from 1.2 back to 0.2 is normal but this is now the second time and its not droping for hours Jun 09 08:34:35 spyro: CPU: 0.7% usr 1.5% sys 0.0% nice 97.6% idle 0.0% io 0.0% irq 0.0% softirq Jun 09 08:35:09 that does seema bit odd. Jun 09 08:36:24 sys is variing between 2.5 and 3.5% now Jun 09 08:37:58 chem|st: constantly ? Jun 09 08:38:05 sure Jun 09 08:38:18 look at the picture attached to the bug Jun 09 08:38:29 chem|st: load is the number of processes waiting for io in a given period, so it can be quite high even with low CPU usage Jun 09 08:39:02 thought load is something like all together Jun 09 08:39:30 how do I find out what is waiting? Jun 09 08:39:30 well, thats the classical definition. I dunno if linux does something odd... Jun 09 08:39:42 spyro: I guess not ;) Jun 09 08:40:01 help me out... that graph has no scale and only a couple of legends Jun 09 08:40:57 so.. any council members around? Jun 09 08:40:59 for load the first horizontal line is 1 the second 2, load is the purple Jun 09 08:41:30 dotted lines ar .5 Jun 09 08:42:29 ok so load is the purple. Jun 09 08:43:00 so at this graph somwhere at 1.2-1.3 Jun 09 08:44:17 looks like when the load was 1.x the CPU was very busy (voltage sucked quite low) Jun 09 08:45:24 on the current graph something is producing +2 with peaks to 3.5 in the first 2 hours and the voltage gets sucked down decreasing a lot faster than just before Jun 09 08:45:48 i get the other pic ready Jun 09 08:46:16 you could try getting a commandline and killing processes until the load drops off :) Jun 09 08:46:26 see if its anything identifiable Jun 09 08:47:01 last time I started stopped fmtx via desktop widget Jun 09 08:47:21 I dont want to stop it until I realy know what is causing it Jun 09 08:47:49 probably xorg Jun 09 08:47:58 chem|st: I cant think of a good way of locating the task if its not showing any noticeable CPU or IOWAIT usage Jun 09 08:48:02 thing is that it will be higher when you look at it Jun 09 08:48:18 loadavg on dyntick systems is messed up Jun 09 08:48:43 jacekowski: very true - esp. if the desktop is composited (it is on maemo isnt it?) as X will spend a lot of time IOWAITing on the GPU Jun 09 08:48:58 it isn't Jun 09 08:49:12 jacekowski: well the bug seems more likely :) Jun 09 08:49:34 jacekowski: wasnt the loadavg bug fixed like a year ago ? Jun 09 08:49:34 just take a look at phone taken from iddle Jun 09 08:49:37 idle* Jun 09 08:49:50 1 minute average can reach over 1 Jun 09 08:49:58 but 5 and 15 minute average is under 0.1 Jun 09 08:49:58 FAIL Jun 09 08:50:18 spyro: new picture uploaded Jun 09 08:50:32 chem|st: jacekowski's explanation seems quite plausible... Jun 09 08:50:39 thing is that frequency should be adjusted to keep loadavg as high as possible Jun 09 08:50:49 without causing any interactivity loss Jun 09 08:51:26 but then you have run-to-idle strategy Jun 09 08:51:43 which is run at full speed and go to 0Hz idle as fast as possible Jun 09 08:52:07 jacekowski: Load average: 2.88 2.73 1.86 Jun 09 08:52:23 quite normal Jun 09 08:52:26 was 1.2 1.2 1.2 before Jun 09 08:52:26 10:52:26 up 7 days, 20:19, 3 users, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.08 Jun 09 08:52:31 but that's server Jun 09 08:52:39 with 4x2.8GHz cpu Jun 09 08:52:47 jacekowski: thats not normal! Jun 09 08:52:53 chem|st: it is Jun 09 08:53:01 chem|st: you don't understand how loadavg works Jun 09 08:53:17 it's amount of processes waiting for cpu Jun 09 08:53:32 guys, anyone faced 2 minute stop in media player with 1.2 fw? Jun 09 08:53:43 jacekowski: that it is stuck for hours at 1.2 even after a reboot? Jun 09 08:53:54 hi Jun 09 08:54:02 chem|st: take a look at ps output Jun 09 08:54:51 looking for what? Jun 09 08:54:57 nothing Jun 09 08:55:09 you would have to get proper ps Jun 09 08:55:12 not busybox one Jun 09 08:55:23 I'm trying to install the maemo-sdk freemanntle rootstrap, but it gives unknown url http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta/i386/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0beta_i386.tgz that seems to be outdated. How can I update its internal information? Jun 09 08:55:26 and you would get cpu consumption of each process Jun 09 08:55:41 jacekowski: the loadavg hits 1.2 constantly and the battery gets drained faster and you call it normal you are kidding? Jun 09 08:56:17 define faster Jun 09 08:56:19 you mean cpu time Jun 09 08:56:25 ( n900 only lasts couple hours ) Jun 09 08:56:53 jacekowski: have a look at the pic and stop telling random BS! Jun 09 08:57:11 n900 doesnt last only hours Jun 09 08:57:23 which pic? Jun 09 08:57:35 https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2849 Jun 09 08:57:35 ok... let's see if I can build libhildonfm Jun 09 08:57:38 well, everybody will tell you that n900 doesn't last more than a day Jun 09 08:58:01 wish that mugen battery wasn't fucked Jun 09 08:58:04 chem|st: you see, that's a problem Jun 09 08:58:16 chem|st: batterygraph uses resources as well Jun 09 08:58:19 jacekowski: well mine does as you see at the pic Jun 09 08:58:31 damn, even the chinese are showing us how to "fight the power" Jun 09 08:58:33 "A Chinese farmer has declared war on property developers who want his land, building a cannon out of a wheelbarrow and pipes and firing rockets at would-be eviction teams" Jun 09 08:58:34 hmm, Jun 09 08:58:38 It's all about a distributing charger-cables everywhere you normally go... :) Jun 09 08:58:38 that's a problem Jun 09 08:58:43 bleh.. my scratchbox hildon is too old apparently Jun 09 08:59:09 chem|st: have you tried looking at top/cpu time/something? Jun 09 08:59:18 jacekowski: can you please stop telling me off on that! I know batterygraph threats every 5 seconds Jun 09 09:00:43 http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2E5DE#a=8 Jun 09 09:00:51 threats? Jun 09 09:01:34 uptime 4 days 19:17 -> xorg 19h; hildon-desktop 7h; bme_RX.. 6h; pulse 4h; Jun 09 09:01:48 Whoops Jun 09 09:01:59 *nukes the kernel* Jun 09 09:02:35 jacekowski: good point with wanting to scale the CPU clock for intweractive perf. too Jun 09 09:03:05 although it seems unlikely that anything on the systems would want to behave quite like hes seeing Jun 09 09:03:37 batterygraph 8' Jun 09 09:05:42 chem|st: unless its heinously badly written it shouldnt be causing much CPU load. how often does it poll the status ? Jun 09 09:06:38 * DocScrutinizer51 mv batterygraph batterydrain Jun 09 09:06:56 old story Jun 09 09:09:18 halp! Jun 09 09:09:45 I get a "Makefile: 526 - Missing separator. Stop." Jun 09 09:09:49 So what does that mean? Jun 09 09:10:13 the Makefile line looks like this: Jun 09 09:10:18 spyro: 8 minutes cpu time in close to 4 days 19h isnt much... Jun 09 09:10:23 @ENABLE_GTK_DOC_FALSE@ @echo "*** gtk-doc must be installed and enabled in order to make dist" Jun 09 09:10:23 Bootstrapper installer asks: GUI start up command for 'freemantle5.0-10_i386'? - What to answer? Jun 09 09:10:44 *rootstrap Jun 09 09:10:45 chem|st: probably not that then :) Jun 09 09:11:14 DocScrutinizer51: I am monitoring my batterydrain for month now and batterygraph did no significant change to that yet Jun 09 09:12:17 hmm it's a tab problem apparently. Jun 09 09:14:30 BatteryGraph did not affect me as well Jun 09 09:14:41 hey, guys, how do you install freemantle rootstrap?? Jun 09 09:15:38 hi - does anyone here use the MobileHotspot tool on his n900? I juust wonder if i need to set the ip adress on the laptop connecting to the device manually or if there is supposed to be some dhcp service? I found tons of documentation on what to do on the n900 side but nothing on the setup of the connecte machine. I can connect to the mobilehospot ad-hoc network (at least according to iwconfig on the laptop) but do not get any ip adress ... Jun 09 09:25:33 tachikoma, the project page suggests reading the configuration keys from the source :) Jun 09 09:26:07 in any case, atleast n900 has dnsmasq available, so it should be able to use that for serving DHCP Jun 09 09:26:13 guys, I really wonder if there exists a newer version of sdk installation guide, than http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html Jun 09 09:26:21 Tachikoma: i have used mobilehotspot, it basically just works Jun 09 09:26:47 BCMM: so no need to manually configure the IP on the connected laptop? Jun 09 09:26:49 spyro: the imapd on the server I am here got 98h in 5.5days... Jun 09 09:26:57 Tachikoma: i don't think so Jun 09 09:27:01 i didn't look at how it works Jun 09 09:27:15 but my machine seemed to get assigned an address Jun 09 09:27:28 I have the suspicion that the problem is with this networkmanager thing on the laptop, not with mobilehotspot Jun 09 09:27:35 chem|st: yeah doesnt look like the battery load app. sorry, I'm out of ideas. Jun 09 09:27:44 chem|st: try killing stuff :) Jun 09 09:27:46 hi Jun 09 09:27:54 BCMM: thanks a lot, then i will first look into network manager and try using thintgs with ifconfig directly Jun 09 09:27:57 X-Fade, ping? Jun 09 09:27:59 I wait for an answer at the bug report Jun 09 09:28:19 good luck :) Jun 09 09:29:28 thanks a lot for your help! Jun 09 09:29:52 spyro: my xserver at home has 8h with 22days uptime but I guess thats nothing to compare with Jun 09 09:30:18 spyro: whats your cputime on xorg? Jun 09 09:30:39 * lcuk spies a spyro Jun 09 09:30:43 ello dude Jun 09 09:30:49 chem|st: thats not really useful to know (and I just rebooted) Jun 09 09:31:04 chem|st: depending on what you're doing X can use anything from no CPU to 100%. Jun 09 09:31:07 anyone with uptime +2days? Jun 09 09:31:28 chem|st: my fileserver has uptime +400 days, but no X :) Jun 09 09:31:56 UPS FTW! :) Jun 09 09:31:57 ok - it does just work with a macbook as client. So I guess my problem is with network manager and nothing on the n900 :) Jun 09 09:32:03 the usual experience ... Jun 09 09:32:07 spyro: at home I whatch tv movies play 3d games (wine helps...) Jun 09 09:32:51 spyro: ;) yes! Jun 09 09:33:17 :D Jun 09 09:33:49 spyro: I had to boot after a couple of hours fallout Jun 09 09:34:16 :) Jun 09 09:34:30 Is there nm, strings or objdump somewhere in the repos? Jun 09 09:34:34 Can't find any of them. Jun 09 09:34:49 but as my firewall is "kill'em all and let god sort them out" the wake on lan stopped working for some reason Jun 09 09:39:23 "E: Host kernel VDSO support is incompatible with scratchbox." - is there a workaround for this case and what kernels support VDSO? Jun 09 09:40:25 mmarc__, are you on 32 bit or 64 bit? Jun 09 09:41:06 kalikiana: Linux msiwind 2.6.32-22-generic Jun 09 09:41:22 kalikiana: 32-bit Jun 09 09:41:39 mmarc__, try "echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled" Jun 09 09:43:18 kalikiana: works now, thanks a lot! Jun 09 09:43:33 you're welcome Jun 09 09:54:52 Stskeeps: even thought I don't use anything from the templates? Jun 09 09:55:27 I create everything from scratch (except a few icons) Jun 09 10:07:50 joppu: it's difficult to say it's not a deriative though as it was used as basis for your work, including the packaging and such Jun 09 10:08:53 on PR1.2 firmware, is it possible under applications manager to select more than one items to install? Jun 09 10:09:21 joppu: as i said before, same rights that you have to make your own theme based on the theming information is passed on and should be passed on Jun 09 10:09:50 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ is pretty clear :P Jun 09 10:10:33 either way, this isn't my battle - just stating the situation Jun 09 10:10:43 you can't compare code and art licenses Jun 09 10:11:10 the hildin-theme-tool stuff should be licensed under GPL or something Jun 09 10:11:34 I was under impression that just the graphic stuff was under CC Jun 09 10:11:48 can you -honestly- say that your png's and svgs are not in one way or the other built on the template svgs and pngs? Jun 09 10:12:19 even if 'code'/scripts was GPL licensed, it'd be same situation Jun 09 10:12:48 I can say that Jun 09 10:13:10 Much stuff is pretty generically computer Jun 09 10:13:11 graphics based on templates? I have a hard time understanding what that means. I assumed that graphics are drawn or sketched Jun 09 10:13:22 how? placements of theme elements and everything are pretty static Jun 09 10:13:24 but maybe i missunderstand something ... Jun 09 10:13:47 Nobody uses a picture of a file (tool) to denote a file in the UI Jun 09 10:14:22 well the placements are an another thing Jun 09 10:16:12 the whole problem isn't that I don't want people to modify my themes, the problem is that I feel offended by the fact that somebody is "fixing" my artistic choices Jun 09 10:16:44 right, the social part of it Jun 09 10:17:33 it is their right though, just as it was given to you to modify and build a theme cos of wanting a different theme than nokia ones :/ Jun 09 10:18:29 but I'm not "fixing" the nokia ones, I'm building ones of my own Jun 09 10:19:05 joppu: which theme is from you? Jun 09 10:19:07 there's not really a difference, a modification is a modification Jun 09 10:19:19 I just ask as i tried some and was not yet able to find a single one i liked Jun 09 10:20:08 either way, http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-theme-layout-5/blobs/master/COPYING , ie, all the .rc stuff, http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-theme-variant-template/blobs/master/COPYING , template + coordinates png - so, licensing is pretty clear. i believe the kontorri theme maker ones has a similar license Jun 09 10:20:23 so, it is cc by sa 2.5 or 3.0 depending where you look. Jun 09 10:21:25 and is there a page where one could see screenshot of available themes? I took screenshot of the ones i tried already to but them on a blog but was wondering if that already exists? Jun 09 10:21:40 Tachikoma: tt's carbon. some others I can recommend is the array by me and then there's marina by wazd and of course D-livil's stuff (there's tons of those) Jun 09 10:22:09 http://wiki.maemo.org/List_of_Themes_for_Maemo5 Jun 09 10:22:20 joppu: mh, i guess i already tried some of them. I'd like to have some brighter theme, but most are dark and the brighter ones i found were not that nice Jun 09 10:22:26 that's kinda incomplete though Jun 09 10:22:31 wow, thanks a lot for the link Jun 09 10:22:37 was unable to find that by myself Jun 09 10:23:31 the problem is that Nokia has decided the create the template in a way that makes black-on-white themes kinda impossible Jun 09 10:23:43 i see Jun 09 10:24:18 * Stskeeps had a similar situation of his irc daemon software being used by a bunch of white pride people, which i didn't like at all, but the same thing that protects me against someone filing a lawsuit against me for randomly revoking the license to my code is the same freedom they have. Jun 09 10:25:28 Stskeeps: change the default of future versions to a big black body builder Jun 09 10:25:33 default theme. Jun 09 10:26:07 crashanddie: meh, long ago Jun 09 10:29:44 Stskeeps: so add a backdoor and take over their server :) Jun 09 10:30:21 BCMM: naah. no need to do illegal things cos you disagree with people Jun 09 10:30:23 Stskeeps: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_don.E2.80.99t_like_the_way_a_person_has_used_my_work_in_a_derivative_work_or_included_it_in_a_collective_work.3B_what_can_I_do.3F Jun 09 10:30:31 woah nice URL Jun 09 10:31:03 joppu: well, you can do that, but you can't stop the use Jun 09 10:31:05 Stskeeps: not entirely serious, of course Jun 09 10:36:47 looking at that themes page, what is the relationship between matrix and melody? Jun 09 10:40:28 matrix is melody with changed backgrounds Jun 09 10:41:03 wow, the tmo thread should really mention that Jun 09 10:41:19 hmm, it suggests that the matrix theme adds green progress bars too Jun 09 10:41:37 bother, i had already decided i wanted to use something pretty much like Matrix without the silly backgrounds Jun 09 10:42:57 I think I have already expressed my concern about changing a few backgrounds adding a fancy name and calling it a theme Jun 09 10:46:43 is there a page somewhere listing boot videos people have made? Jun 09 10:47:03 youtube.com ? Jun 09 10:50:32 * RST38h moos at the moon Jun 09 10:50:56 EHLO joppu, sorry for pissing you off so unexpectedly =) Jun 09 10:53:01 hello - I was wondering if it's possible to read sms message directly via a terminal, or ssh? Jun 09 10:55:17 yes Jun 09 10:55:17 * SpeedEvil suffers a parity error. Jun 09 10:55:29 misc-, yes. Jun 09 10:56:08 * SpeedEvil tries to recover. Jun 09 10:56:27 * crashanddie pairs SpeedEvil with his bluetooth headset Jun 09 10:56:33 ah, how do you do that? Jun 09 10:56:55 misc--: you can query a sqlite database that contains all the events Jun 09 10:57:04 ahhh Jun 09 10:58:19 do you know where the sqlite db stored? Jun 09 10:58:24 misc--: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51090 Jun 09 10:58:34 misc--: I wrote a small python app that interacts with the SMS's DB Jun 09 10:58:38 shoudl give you an idea Jun 09 10:58:48 ah good stuff, thanks a lot Jun 09 11:05:29 speaking of themes Jun 09 11:05:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55604 Jun 09 11:05:42 there's a great example of a "theme" Jun 09 11:16:34 do i need to turn off the n900 to insert a micro-sd? Jun 09 11:17:41 no, but back panel needs to be on Jun 09 11:18:28 Stskeeps: ah, that would explain why it was taking so much force to insert Jun 09 11:18:41 i must've been trying to push it through a couple of mm of hard plastic Jun 09 11:19:04 I did that first too. Jun 09 11:19:08 There's a magnet in the cover that tells the phone whether the cover is on or not. Jun 09 11:19:10 I had to use a hammer. Jun 09 11:19:22 If the cover is not there, the microsd will be unmounted Jun 09 11:19:46 MiXu-_: the n900 knows if the cover is on? Jun 09 11:19:50 yes Jun 09 11:19:50 yes Jun 09 11:20:04 there needs to be a list somewhere of environmental sensors the n900 does not have Jun 09 11:20:10 (starting with rotation) Jun 09 11:20:41 what happens if you take the case off and it cannot unmount the sd? Jun 09 11:21:03 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking Jun 09 11:21:06 BCMM: Jun 09 11:21:13 bah, how does this work? does it slot into the cover like the sim, or do you put it on the contacts then close it? Jun 09 11:21:27 slots in Jun 09 11:21:30 Hi ! Jun 09 11:21:56 you push the microSD cover opposite to the direction of the arrow Jun 09 11:22:00 it then unlocks Jun 09 11:22:02 flip it up Jun 09 11:22:05 put microsd in Jun 09 11:22:12 into the steel bit Jun 09 11:22:24 it then flips back down, and you slide it into lock Jun 09 11:23:12 ah, looks like the problem is that this is not actually a microsd card Jun 09 11:23:22 lol Jun 09 11:23:28 SpeedEvil: so it works just like the sim cover then/ Jun 09 11:23:47 yes Jun 09 11:23:55 :) Jun 09 11:24:24 offtopic, but what is about the size of a microsd but rectangular (with a few notches) Jun 09 11:24:32 (it came out of a Sony phone) Jun 09 11:25:42 sony reeks of those proprietary memory sticks? maybe "memory stick micro"? Jun 09 11:25:43 memory stick micro; when will sandisk tire of inventing types of memory card? Jun 09 11:25:52 its sonys own format Jun 09 11:26:00 ah Jun 09 11:26:07 looks like sandisk makes them though Jun 09 11:26:14 kinda assumed SD from the sandisk name Jun 09 11:26:19 oh well, bluetooth time Jun 09 11:30:44 :) Jun 09 11:33:26 does the n900 do OBEX File Transfer Profile? Jun 09 11:33:36 (i mean, as teh PC) Jun 09 11:35:31 Is that the 'browse other phones fss' thing? Jun 09 11:35:32 i'm trying to get everything off my girlfriend's phone, (which she plans to replace) - this is basically contacts and photos Jun 09 11:35:42 no - as I understand it. Jun 09 11:35:44 there has to be a better way that accepting the files, one at a time Jun 09 11:35:53 SpeedEvil: what is fss? Jun 09 11:35:56 oh, filesystems Jun 09 11:35:59 yeah Jun 09 11:36:09 i have no bluetooth on my pc Jun 09 11:36:30 but when i had a bluetooth laptop, i was able to see directories on hte old phone using obex Jun 09 11:36:42 the n900 won't do that? Jun 09 11:37:02 Hai. Jun 09 11:37:05 As I understand it no, not with the default software. Jun 09 11:37:13 It is certainly possible with the hardware Jun 09 11:37:20 and there isn't a package to do that yet Jun 09 11:37:35 ATM she it just sitting there pressing accept... accept... accept... Jun 09 11:37:36 I`m Turkey. Jun 09 11:37:53 (her phone, for some reason, has a "send all my photos one at a time over bluetooth" feature) Jun 09 11:38:08 she seems surprisingly happy about that actually Jun 09 11:40:28 Foreign: the entire country? Jun 09 11:40:50 Big man Jun 09 11:40:59 heee Jun 09 11:41:23 was that a fortune, or directed at me? Jun 09 11:41:34 joppu, what's this about themes now? Jun 09 11:41:39 I was wondering about the same thing Jun 09 11:42:14 Or maybe he meant to say he's a turkey Jun 09 11:42:31 joppu, those other "themes" are only there to make your theme look more awesome Jun 09 11:44:35 MiXu-_: probably meant "Turkish" Jun 09 11:44:42 Sure :) Jun 09 11:44:52 gaddammiiit! Jun 09 11:47:07 oh right. nvr mind. Jun 09 11:49:15 Hey guys Jun 09 11:49:22 I just have a little question please Jun 09 11:49:55 in the updates section, if i update the phone to the latest Maemo OS, does that remove any data from the phone? like sms, contacts and photos Jun 09 11:50:05 no Jun 09 11:50:09 i have nokia n900 sorry didnt mention that Jun 09 11:50:34 But it's good to have a backup just in case Jun 09 11:50:40 Hazz: there's only one phone that runs Maemo Jun 09 11:50:42 Put it on a memorycard or a pc Jun 09 11:50:49 how to backup ? Jun 09 11:50:54 Hazz: backup application Jun 09 11:51:00 There's backup built in Jun 09 11:51:06 aha Jun 09 11:51:38 where can i reach that ? Jun 09 11:52:25 Application list Jun 09 11:53:40 If you have something older than PR1.2 it's under "More..." Jun 09 11:53:56 ~seen MohammadAG Jun 09 11:53:57 "safe" icon called "Backup" Jun 09 11:54:06 mohammadag <~MohammadA@62.219.120.20> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20h 41m 13s ago, saying: 'SpeedEvil, not sure, it just popped up while using ssh'. Jun 09 11:54:07 Damnit, I fail at bot commanding. Jun 09 11:54:14 Oh, no I didn't :D Jun 09 11:54:25 GeneralAntilles: http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/ Jun 09 11:54:33 Damnit .. Jun 09 11:55:33 What's my t.m.o user page? Jun 09 11:55:36 thanks a lot guys Jun 09 11:55:38 Hopw do I get it? Jun 09 11:56:11 Because it doesn't look like it's registered my forum posts .. Jun 09 11:58:45 Hrm, maybe it's just taking time to register or something, because I got the url right ... :/ Jun 09 12:00:00 alterego: about:blank Jun 09 12:00:09 DocScrutinizer: :P Jun 09 12:00:26 I like my list of Handhelds, makes me look like a right Fanboi: "Nokia N900, Nokia N810, Nokia N800, Nokia 770, Nokia N96, Nokia N95 8G" Jun 09 12:00:32 ~seen GeneralAntilles Jun 09 12:00:34 generalantilles is currently on #maemo (1d 10h 6m 35s) #meego (1d 10h 6m 35s). Has said a total of 91 messages. Is idling for 19h 38m, last said: 'alterego, you, too, can not be socialist.'. Jun 09 12:00:49 braggard Jun 09 12:00:51 Heh Jun 09 12:00:58 Would be about me wouldn't it :D Jun 09 12:01:01 ~seen SpeedEvil Jun 09 12:01:02 speedevil is currently on #maemo (59m 28s) #openmoko (59m 28s) #edev (59m 28s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen SpeedEvil'. Jun 09 12:01:18 18 messages? that can't be right Jun 09 12:01:22 alterego, I've got N-Gage and N900. What does that make me? Jun 09 12:01:35 mece: erm .. I don't want to say :P Jun 09 12:01:40 lol Jun 09 12:01:51 mece, the original sidetalk N-Gage? Jun 09 12:01:55 N-Gage + frodo = awesome. Jun 09 12:01:56 vldcnst: why not count them, so you know for sure. I mean it's just 1h Jun 09 12:02:06 inz, of course. not the shitty excuse that came later. Jun 09 12:02:28 vldcnst: probably since I relogged this morning Jun 09 12:02:49 morning? (59m 28s) Jun 09 12:02:50 oh, its only this session Jun 09 12:03:09 vldcnst: since birth then? Jun 09 12:03:20 that "total" is misleading Jun 09 12:03:30 very Jun 09 12:03:54 Has anyone else linked their talk with their maemo.org profile? Jun 09 12:04:00 why? isn't it the total of all chan you're in with infobot? Jun 09 12:04:02 OMGWTFLOL SUCCESS! Jun 09 12:04:02 (yes, I'm trying to be a karma whore) Jun 09 12:04:22 alterego: lo Jun 09 12:04:49 DocScrutinizer: how long did it take to register? I thought it was refreshed every night or summink .. Jun 09 12:04:53 worked after a week Jun 09 12:04:56 * mece has enabled viewing of file extensions. Jun 09 12:04:59 Oh, right :) Jun 09 12:05:00 Hahah Jun 09 12:05:02 Fair enough :D Jun 09 12:05:56 btw karma seems is recalculated every 4..7 days, maybe once a week actually Jun 09 12:06:09 Oh, ghey :D Jun 09 12:06:23 Not sure if it's still going to be used though, by Nokia. Jun 09 12:06:40 I'd imagine with MeeGo, they're going to need to account for Moblin devs too, or some such. Jun 09 12:06:44 ok, so.. on this new and improved file manager file picker and all that. what should we do with audio files for example? Jun 09 12:06:51 And I completely missed the N900 DDP, I didn't even know it was happening. Jun 09 12:06:55 for last council elections it has been used Jun 09 12:07:25 originally track title is shown with artist below. With my new and pimped version you only see filename. Jun 09 12:07:31 mece: :-))) Jun 09 12:07:32 http://pastebin.ca/1879691 Jun 09 12:07:46 was thinking something like filename first and then artist - title. What do you think? Jun 09 12:07:48 - how many lines people have in my logs Jun 09 12:08:03 Since ~oct Jun 09 12:08:19 mece: that's just fine for me Jun 09 12:08:35 (not showing anything I mean) Jun 09 12:08:46 it's a file manager Jun 09 12:08:52 In maemo that is. Jun 09 12:09:13 for such "useless" info I gather there's a "file details" menu entry Jun 09 12:09:20 Docscrutinizer, ok. Well that means it's done. Should I create my own version number for this? Jun 09 12:09:55 GeneralAntilles: also: http://safariadblock.com/ (finally an adblock that allows safari to run in 64bit) Jun 09 12:10:06 mece: could it learn to show full pathname as well? Jun 09 12:10:08 crashanddie, OmniWeb! Jun 09 12:10:25 DocScrutinizer, you mean to start from / instead of MyDocs? Jun 09 12:10:29 yep Jun 09 12:10:32 or just the whole thing.. Jun 09 12:10:39 I dunno. Haven't looked at that yet. Jun 09 12:10:44 I'll just make this one first. Jun 09 12:10:49 cuteexplorer is ok Jun 09 12:11:05 It kind of annoys me that user's home is a different place than MyDocs Jun 09 12:11:24 There are good reasons for that. Jun 09 12:11:40 Basically, mydocs has to be vfat, and to go away when it's plugged in as mass storage Jun 09 12:11:43 it annoys me Nokia is optimizing a linux OS for M$-users Jun 09 12:11:46 So it can't be _too_ crucial Jun 09 12:11:52 It's not MS Jun 09 12:12:21 it's essentially optimising for everything other than linux desktops/laptops Jun 09 12:12:27 which is probably fair. Jun 09 12:12:39 Many printers can take a mass storage device and read pictures off it. Jun 09 12:12:48 But only if it's in vfat Jun 09 12:12:49 it's idiocy Jun 09 12:13:54 even osX has a ^G in their filemanager - whatever it's called. "go to:" /etc, ->voila Jun 09 12:14:14 SpeedEvil: The part that annoys me is that as the result many app developers (me to until recently) think that ~ is a good place for files... but it's not. Jun 09 12:14:27 s/to/too/ Jun 09 12:14:28 Lynoure meant: SpeedEvil: The part that annoys me is that as the result many app developers (me too until recently) think that ~ is a good place for files... but it's not. Jun 09 12:14:29 SpeedEvil: and we're not talking bout VFAT here Jun 09 12:14:55 it's about HFM and every bit that uses fileselector Jun 09 12:15:00 ~ is a good place for small files Jun 09 12:15:12 I was commenting on Lynoures comment Jun 09 12:15:22 and explaining the reasons for that. Jun 09 12:15:27 SpeedEvil: not really, makes it hard to backup them elsewhere Jun 09 12:15:49 Doesn't rsync work just as well on home? Jun 09 12:15:52 yeah sorry, s/we/me/ Jun 09 12:15:55 * SpeedEvil fails to see the problem. Jun 09 12:16:21 SpeedEvil: sure, over the network it's not a problem, just over the usb Jun 09 12:16:54 GAN900: safari scores 100 in the acid 3 test ;) Jun 09 12:16:56 A 'right' way would be to use the nice shiny tracker database to populate a virtual vfat filesystem. Jun 09 12:17:04 GAN900: omniweb a poor 20 Jun 09 12:17:08 As the USB is plugged in Jun 09 12:17:17 SpeedEvil: that would indeed be nice. Jun 09 12:17:32 Lynoure: as SpeedEvil elaborated, having your $HOME on vfat would break your functionality as long as phone is plugged to a host using mass storage Jun 09 12:17:57 Doing that right is hard though. Jun 09 12:18:13 And involves some not quite trivial new code. Jun 09 12:18:37 DocScrutinizer: I did understand his explanation. Jun 09 12:20:41 http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n900#/gallery/colors/landing :) Jun 09 12:20:50 Website fail. Jun 09 12:21:22 SpeedEvil, populate fs from tracker? Jun 09 12:21:35 sx0n: yes. Jun 09 12:21:59 DocScrutinizer: just a bit frustrated with some data being in ~ and some in MyDocs. I have not yet looked at what the default backup app backs up to the vfat, if it also sweeps ~ (excluding MyDocs) there, that's less of an annoyance, but I suspect it does not. Jun 09 12:22:15 sx0n: On plugin to USB as mass storage, you read the tracker database for files, and the make a virtual filesystem which you export to the PC/printer/... Jun 09 12:22:36 sx0n: This decouples the underlying filesystem from the exported one. Jun 09 12:23:15 shallow copy? Jun 09 12:24:10 (to do this right, you would need all sorts of twiddles. For example, you would need tracker to be always up to date, so it might need kernel hooks. You'd also need to make read-only any files. And deal with files that are open being modified by the vfat side.) Jun 09 12:25:07 Also - if on vfat side, user takes a file, and moves it around in the directories, what happens gets messy. Jun 09 12:25:08 why tracker? if you're able to create a virtual block oriented fs from logical files, then why not simply take the *real* files, maybe even starting at / Jun 09 12:25:29 Because then you would need to run find /mydocs at insert-time Jun 09 12:25:39 with potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of files. Jun 09 12:25:49 morning vietnan !! Jun 09 12:26:20 seems no diff to using tracker for it Jun 09 12:26:37 ok so... Jun 09 12:26:40 let's see now. Jun 09 12:26:51 DocScrutinizer: find / may take about 10 mins before completing Jun 09 12:27:04 SpeedEvil, sounds almost misuse of things :) i would suppose that there is easier ways to do that somehow Jun 09 12:27:52 SpeedEvil: that's nothing, compared to the cpu workload to create virtual blocks and a virtual FAT from that list of files Jun 09 12:27:59 how is that apt-get trick where you specify which version you want? Jun 09 12:28:00 SpeedEvil, afaik tracker is about up-to-date, at least it gets notifications of files inserted Jun 09 12:28:18 something like apt-get install thingamagic=1.3.4 Jun 09 12:28:49 DocScrutinizer: it's really not - that's damn trivial. You run through the file list allocating x blocks in the FAT for each file, as you don't care about fragmentation. Jun 09 12:29:23 if only it were so simple ;-P Jun 09 12:29:36 That part of it is. Jun 09 12:29:43 The harder part is the locking. Jun 09 12:30:57 you need directory structures, need to handle sparse files, dunno what Jun 09 12:31:53 you don't need sparse files Jun 09 12:31:54 your task is definitely > mkfs.vfat Jun 09 12:32:03 As fat doesn't do that. Jun 09 12:32:17 but your source fs might do that Jun 09 12:32:25 You don't care. Jun 09 12:32:34 You build the FS as if the sparse files are real. Jun 09 12:32:37 uhuh Jun 09 12:32:43 This does raise obvious issues though Jun 09 12:32:51 There are edge cases all over. Jun 09 12:32:57 Performance isn't really one though Jun 09 12:34:25 exactly, not even for a silly "find / >somewhere" Jun 09 12:35:01 time find /home/user/data/ |wc Jun 09 12:35:01 real 3m 11.76s Jun 09 12:35:01 442877 454965 35382852 Jun 09 12:35:38 as quite obviously without a *real* filehandle, just with the crappy info from tracker, you won't lift it anyway Jun 09 12:36:03 hi chaps Jun 09 12:36:11 I'm assuming tracker info is somewhat updated, and made complete with kernel hooks. Jun 09 12:36:14 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jun 09 12:36:15 * lardman gets round to reading about the new i-thingie Jun 09 12:36:46 * lardman likes the sound of gyros + accelerometers + digital compass, Nokia take note of the exciting possibilities Jun 09 12:36:56 i-thingie? Jun 09 12:37:03 Does it vibrate? Jun 09 12:37:15 I imagine so Jun 09 12:37:33 Practically - integrated digital compasses have only really just come onto the market Jun 09 12:37:33 Only when Steve Jobs is around Jun 09 12:37:34 DocScrutinizer, ok building arm version. Man I'm a little bit excited actually :) Jun 09 12:37:40 crashanddie, yes, I care because I browse Acid3 every day. :P Jun 09 12:37:42 mece, what? Jun 09 12:38:04 GeneralAntilles, it was nothing. Jun 09 12:38:16 GeneralAntilles, or did you wonder what I was building? Jun 09 12:38:32 mece, just wondering if you needed anything. ;) Jun 09 12:38:58 GeneralAntilles, ok, no. I just saw crashanddie mention you and I was wondering if you were around at all :) Jun 09 12:39:30 Oh, I like the iPhone 4 launch, fail first time :D Jun 09 12:39:47 alterego, what failed? Jun 09 12:39:52 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10260634.stm Jun 09 12:40:02 crashanddie, also: Damn your lies. http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4684540533/ Jun 09 12:40:58 yuck, Apple! ;) Jun 09 12:40:59 alterego, lol Jun 09 12:41:24 good response time Jun 09 12:41:45 Hrm, N9. Jun 09 12:42:56 hey nice, there's a N900 link below that apple fail! Jun 09 12:43:02 This one is much better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoqh27E6OuU Jun 09 12:44:15 mece: with an amizing one sentence of info Jun 09 12:44:35 DocScrutinizer, there is a video though. Jun 09 12:44:43 bah Jun 09 12:45:02 no time for such nonsense like videos Jun 09 12:50:44 ok apparently my arm target was not up to date. all updated and now I'm really building :) Jun 09 12:50:55 mhm .. there is no fax solution for the n900 .. and mobile phones in general? Jun 09 12:51:04 GeneralAntilles: I thought you didn't browse the acid test? Jun 09 12:53:37 cehteh: fax? Jun 09 12:53:38 wtf? Jun 09 12:53:53 should I create a garage project for hildon filemanager community edition? Jun 09 12:54:09 just thinking :) .. imaging you could send/receive faxes on your smartphone Jun 09 12:54:17 my newton had that! Jun 09 12:54:23 15 years ago!! Jun 09 12:54:25 no it shouldn;'t Jun 09 12:54:29 fax is a dead technology Jun 09 12:54:42 email is recognised as having the same legal standing as fax Jun 09 12:54:45 here in germany its quit much used still Jun 09 12:54:55 * Stskeeps decides to wear his 'Fixed in Fremantle' tshirt today Jun 09 12:54:58 yeah.. but germans... Jun 09 12:55:01 not by me i have no fax device, the only thing i ever used for faxing was my newton Jun 09 12:55:03 Stskeeps, :D Jun 09 12:55:28 very handy tshirt if you want to be spotted in a crowd Jun 09 12:55:28 :P Jun 09 12:55:40 cehteh: my ISP offers a free fax service. Special number that is my "fax" number, and I get a PDF version of the faxes I receive per email Jun 09 12:55:54 cehteh: same thing, I can email PDFs to a special email account, and it faxes them for me Jun 09 12:56:26 ah .. well i could set such up too i guess, not that i really need it now, but if it would be build in i'd use it Jun 09 12:56:38 (once or two times in a lifetime :P) Jun 09 12:57:11 crashanddie, well, we still can't have you spreading false information around. :P Jun 09 12:58:35 Stskeeps, kinda like my "Satanic Warmaster" t-shirt then :) Jun 09 12:59:25 mece: i'm waiting for the MeeGo tshirts :P Jun 09 12:59:36 Stskeeps, fixed in meego? Jun 09 13:00:03 Stskeeps: http://www.backstreetmerch.com/product.asp?item=WLTMO01&add=1 Jun 09 13:01:06 fax is definatly not dead here Jun 09 13:01:42 GAN900: has so, false information? Jun 09 13:01:45 Stskeeps: You want some with the Intel logo? =) Jun 09 13:01:49 backstreetmerch... this sounds like a reliable place to buy at Jun 09 13:01:53 GAN900: your screenshot just confirmed what I said Jun 09 13:02:07 it's pretty common, and it's much easier to get paperwork to someone than mail often is. Govermental agencies are not yet able to handle documents that are sent by mail while they absolutly accept documents that were sent by fax Jun 09 13:02:11 RST38h: if theres Jun 09 13:02:16 's a nokia logo too, maybe Jun 09 13:02:16 :P Jun 09 13:02:43 ok, let's see if my phone implodes with the customized filemanager. installing... Jun 09 13:02:47 i know because i do not have fasx and had to use it several times already this year, alternatively i would have had to send a snailmail Jun 09 13:03:27 it is a GO! Jun 09 13:04:16 OMG, N900 has become unbearably slow Jun 09 13:04:30 htop is your friend Jun 09 13:04:37 RST38h: overclock it. Jun 09 13:04:45 wait, I spoke too soon.. need reboot. or restart of something anyway. doing reboot. Jun 09 13:04:53 htop does not tell me anything useful Jun 09 13:04:56 apt-get install sysstats Jun 09 13:05:01 RST38h: powertop too Jun 09 13:05:04 what are sysstats? Jun 09 13:05:06 dmesg Jun 09 13:05:08 Overlocking is not recomended since power consumption is directly related to the CPU frequency Jun 09 13:05:15 is iostat in systats? Jun 09 13:05:17 eehhe. Jun 09 13:05:20 systats are the root package of iostats Jun 09 13:05:24 Dassu, I believe that was a joke. Jun 09 13:05:28 It was. Jun 09 13:05:30 oki, i ned that Jun 09 13:05:30 ah I see Jun 09 13:05:34 I assume RST38h has a clue. Jun 09 13:05:35 mece: No it is not :| Jun 09 13:05:44 Dassu, I meant SpeedEvil's comments. Jun 09 13:05:47 oh Jun 09 13:05:49 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/sebastien.godard/faq.html Jun 09 13:08:07 960-by-640 pixel in the new iPhone Jun 09 13:08:11 I was expecting more .. Jun 09 13:08:31 I thought, I might be wrong, but I thought they said, four times the pixels per inch Jun 09 13:08:35 It is still the same 3.6" screen though Jun 09 13:08:37 That doesn't sound like 4x .. Jun 09 13:08:51 me wants 4.3" Jun 09 13:09:24 X-Fade,how did our hoop friend get imported again ? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/hoopsfrenzy/1.0.5/ Jun 09 13:09:31 they doubled the resolution in both directions Jun 09 13:09:44 Ah, okay Jun 09 13:09:55 alterego: four times as much pixels Jun 09 13:10:13 Yeah, I was just trying to find the original iPhone resolution but couldn't. Jun 09 13:10:34 Argh. I think there is a major bug in the auto-update application code. Jun 09 13:10:38 alterego: though I am not at all sure if it's not some magic-pixel-tech cheat thingy, a la AMOLED Jun 09 13:10:49 I just got a notification of 4 apps to update - and fmms wasn't in there. Jun 09 13:10:51 Ah, 320x480? Jun 09 13:13:00 alterego: yes. Though 960x640 could be a funky RGB layout 640x480 Jun 09 13:13:35 stereo 640x480 ;) Jun 09 13:13:54 mgedmin: no, as in 2 component pixels, counted separately for marketing purposes Jun 09 13:14:14 I think you'll find there is no tricks being played here, like was/is played with AMOLED screens. Jun 09 13:14:46 I think I'll wait to see the actual hardware :) Jun 09 13:14:58 hmm.. Jun 09 13:14:59 ok Jun 09 13:15:07 so the outcome was almost as i wanted. Jun 09 13:15:14 Hrm .. Jun 09 13:16:11 now I can see filename extensions on for example txt files and png/jpg etc. can you see those in the regular file manager? Jun 09 13:17:09 anyone? Jun 09 13:19:16 mece: not for .txt or .jpg files at least Jun 09 13:19:19 alterego, the resolution makes sense, since otherwise they'd have trouble with the old apps. to simply double the pixels is very simple. Jun 09 13:19:27 Trewas, thank you very much. Jun 09 13:20:00 mece: I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. Jun 09 13:20:06 I'm sure the screen will look brilliant. Jun 09 13:20:17 I question if simply integer rounding isn't as good. Jun 09 13:20:18 I just think the name is a bit misleading. Jun 09 13:20:27 Can the user actually tell the difference at 285dpi Jun 09 13:20:34 Maybe just Jun 09 13:21:04 SpeedEvil, I think it looks about as sharp as the N900. Moar pixels is always nice though imo. Jun 09 13:21:19 Wht's the N900 dpi? Jun 09 13:22:37 achipa, no trickery. Jun 09 13:22:42 achipa, IPS. Jun 09 13:22:46 It's about that too Jun 09 13:22:48 crashanddie, how so? Jun 09 13:25:12 ooh, lookie lookie, new Nokia Qt SDK ! Jun 09 13:26:35 oo nice. Jun 09 13:26:55 hey.. the maemo5.0 repository. is that supposed to be activated? Jun 09 13:27:31 talking about http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/ Jun 09 13:29:50 Nokia REALLY better have something better planned for Harmattan Jun 09 13:30:08 WVGA and OMAP3 will be so far behind the times come fall. Jun 09 13:30:57 I think WVGA is fine. Jun 09 13:31:08 * MohammadAG51 suggests a 1GHz OMAP3 Jun 09 13:31:28 OMAP3 1ghz is catch-up at best, considering it has to last through at least 2011 Jun 09 13:31:34 MohammadAG51: you rang last night? Still having issues with the IM status updater? Jun 09 13:31:55 hmm, I think i had a Q Jun 09 13:32:00 i forgot anyways :) Jun 09 13:32:03 and 2011 is likely the year of OMAP4 and dual core snapdragons Jun 09 13:32:17 dual core is overrated Jun 09 13:32:24 especially in mobiles Jun 09 13:32:38 indeed, few applications can make use of dual cores Jun 09 13:32:48 the memory is the bottleneck anyways Jun 09 13:32:49 for android/iphone style multitasking, yes, but maemo/meego ? not so much Jun 09 13:32:54 Cortex A9 or you're a generation behind. Jun 09 13:33:07 achipa: A question Jun 09 13:33:23 what CPU does the N8 use? Jun 09 13:33:35 achipa: When your N900 is stuck and unresponsive, what do you think is the problem? Lack of CPU performance? Jun 09 13:33:45 MohammadAG51: ARM11 fossil with broadcom DSP for video Jun 09 13:33:57 RST38h: eMMC being shit slow :) Jun 09 13:34:00 RST38h: I know, I know, we swap around Jun 09 13:34:11 achipa, isn't that the N97-kind Jun 09 13:34:18 achipa: Exactly. And you can have 8 cores if you want. It will not change a thing. Jun 09 13:34:22 more memory would make more difference then a faster clock Jun 09 13:34:29 RST38h, ssh and check top Jun 09 13:34:34 More memory. Faster memory. Jun 09 13:34:43 Mohammad: top stays pretty low all that time. Jun 09 13:34:44 RST38h: the thing is that I DO expect more memory and faster swap to be available Jun 09 13:35:07 These things go hand-in-hand with a generational upgrade. Jun 09 13:35:11 achipa: And once you have those (if only), you may not even notice that you need more CPU Jun 09 13:35:30 achipa: because 600MHz-1GHz CortexA8 is really *enough* for most mobile things Jun 09 13:35:45 for now at least Jun 09 13:35:50 Correct Jun 09 13:36:11 But in order to make more use of the CPU power, you need bigger screen and bigger battery and better input facilities first Jun 09 13:36:38 i expect an i7 in a Maemo 7 device in 3 years :) Jun 09 13:36:39 slightly less braindead software would help, too Jun 09 13:36:48 Otherwise, it makes no difference is the keyhole you are looking through is lit with a 40W bulb or a 500W bukb Jun 09 13:36:56 with a 1GP camera Jun 09 13:37:01 lol Jun 09 13:37:13 no, 1TP Jun 09 13:37:20 In built 1080p projector :) Jun 09 13:37:22 overkill Jun 09 13:37:26 bah Jun 09 13:37:30 Mohammad: Are you expecting to move to Antarctic then? Jun 09 13:37:31 1080p will be old Jun 09 13:37:35 QFHD ftw Jun 09 13:37:40 MohammadAG51: in a phone? :P Jun 09 13:37:40 Mohammad: Because that thing will be...mm...hot... Jun 09 13:37:57 RST38h, well Jun 09 13:37:58 with a TP you could read a sign from 100 miles away lol Jun 09 13:38:01 RST38h: It'll be nitrogen cooled obviously :D Jun 09 13:38:07 the poles should be molten Jun 09 13:38:22 Anyhow, I'm off bbl Jun 09 13:38:26 alterego: Ah, don't tell me where he is gonna "house" the pump... Jun 09 13:38:31 \j wicket Jun 09 13:38:58 RST38h, he can't, it's a family channel Jun 09 13:38:59 :P Jun 09 13:39:20 * RST38h really just wants a bigger screen and longer battery. Nokia can keep CortexA8 in there, or even use that ARM11 fossil Jun 09 13:40:04 * b-man|laptop would be happy with more ram Jun 09 13:40:06 A 1GHz ARM11 with 500MHz memory will run circles around the Cortex Jun 09 13:40:24 Ah, shit, you can just use ARM9 there :) Jun 09 13:40:28 * MohammadAG51 would be happy with MW2 support Jun 09 13:41:11 indeed, few applications can make use of dual cores <-- are you trying to say this "few apps can use it because they aren't written that way" or "few apps can use it because it provides little benefit" Jun 09 13:41:24 what is the speed differentce between eMMC and a micro SD card? I'd expect the microSD to be slower, but frm my expereince with n800 i know that i might be wrong. There the two sd cards i had both were faster than the internal memory Jun 09 13:42:12 RST38h, if it's available to be used, it'll be used. Jun 09 13:42:53 Stuff like that sounds like saying 1GB will be all you'll ever need for a desktop HD in 1994. Jun 09 13:43:03 The web is getting more complicated every day Jun 09 13:43:16 That's the biggest thing that needs keeping up with. Jun 09 13:43:23 Because if your saying they can't use it because they weren't written with multi-cores in mind (threading etc.) - this is a native app issue. Android apps will (should) automatically take advantage of it. Jun 09 13:43:30 Termana: few apps solve problems that can be split over two cores Jun 09 13:43:50 GAN900: Oh, no, I am not repeating certain Gates' words :) Jun 09 13:44:34 GAN900: Merely saying that CPU is not a bottleneck in these ARM-based systems. Once the memory bottleneck is more or less resolved, CPU may become the next bottleneck Jun 09 13:45:20 GAN900: And it is good that you have mentioned the web: your web browser need memory (more of it, faster of it) way more than it needs CPU Jun 09 13:45:42 RST38h: except if you talk about the unholy Flash Jun 09 13:45:55 achipa: Same with flash Jun 09 13:46:15 RST38h: how so ? It's a separate process. You don't want it to bog down the browser. Jun 09 13:46:57 RST38h, I think we need both Jun 09 13:47:15 and the faster memory is generally going to be tied with newer CPUs. Jun 09 13:47:21 killed my fox on my desktop yesterday... eating up 1.2GB mem and 2.4GB swap Jun 09 13:47:45 Tachikoma, I think it depends on what you're doing. Jun 09 13:47:46 RST38h: nobody says you should stick an OMAP4 in there with 256MB of RAM Jun 09 13:47:48 and I bet it was flash ads killing it Jun 09 13:48:01 chem|st: how many tabs did you have open? lol Jun 09 13:48:24 chem|st: what ? no flashblock ? :) Jun 09 13:48:27 and with the multitasking these things generally do, dual core will be useful. Jun 09 13:48:36 with flash about 3 or 4, and 20 others Jun 09 13:48:53 achipa: I cant block flash on a 100% flash site... Jun 09 13:49:01 GAN900: how does the speed of some storage medium get influenzed by what one does? Jun 09 13:49:41 freshly started with those 20-30 tabs it eats 500MB ram and no swap Jun 09 13:49:42 the most tabs i've ever had open was about 65 lol Jun 09 13:49:49 i mean, of course, there is throughput and access time and different factors, but they should be the same no matter if i open the kernel or some video file Jun 09 13:50:08 RST38h: plus, do not underestimate the parallelism Qt can provide under the hood - that's something you get for free Jun 09 13:50:35 I got this tab-toolkit and have up to 6 rows open with 15 tabs each Jun 09 13:50:52 (esp with QGraphicsView or signal/event heavy stuff) Jun 09 13:50:53 O_o Jun 09 13:51:07 how do it put it to the side of the screen btw Jun 09 13:53:15 GAN900: Rays got their offense going last night Jun 09 13:55:42 apt-get install novacaine Jun 09 13:57:19 W: Unable to locate package novacaine Jun 09 13:57:33 fiferboy, you aren't kidding. Jun 09 13:57:40 ptl damn typo Jun 09 13:57:44 apt-get install novocaine Jun 09 13:57:46 Hooray for a Peña grand slam Jun 09 13:57:57 tech Jun 09 13:58:03 GAN900: I told you the Jays were what they needed Jun 09 13:58:07 W: Unable to locate package novocaine Jun 09 13:58:14 what is this package all about? Jun 09 13:58:35 dentists Jun 09 13:58:38 Tachikoma, random read/write, sequetial read/write, block size, etc. Jun 09 13:58:51 they are apt-get remove purging a tooth Jun 09 13:59:05 Tachikoma, different flash types handle these with different degrees of competency. Jun 09 13:59:05 well, at least "Create apps for early adopters" clears things about mainstreaming... Jun 09 14:00:03 * GAN900 wonders how dumbed-down Harmattan will be. Jun 09 14:00:20 Between capacitive insanity and that whole "mainstream" silliness. Jun 09 14:00:56 Just as an aside re: the flash (on desktop) discussion just above Jun 09 14:01:14 Flash regularly locks up my machine and/or slows it right down Jun 09 14:01:18 AND Jun 09 14:01:26 I have to drop to a terminal and manually kill it Jun 09 14:01:40 or just wait till its scanned Jun 09 14:02:12 heh, N97 got filed under smartphones Jun 09 14:02:48 achipa, hilarious. Jun 09 14:02:55 hmm, has anyone noticed this? 1) start playing a network music stream on media player 2) stop it 3) switch from 3g to wlan or vice versa 4) music starts playing by itself Jun 09 14:03:04 lcukn900, scanned? by what? It just sits there no matter what. I can close my browser completely off and half an hour come back and find flash still running. Jun 09 14:03:04 (pr1.2-feature I just noticed) Jun 09 14:03:53 (and I'm wondering if there's a bug for that) Jun 09 14:04:15 hmm Jun 09 14:04:26 * frals is slightly lost Jun 09 14:05:17 flux: there is a bug for that Jun 09 14:05:49 Please Stand By... Jun 09 14:05:53 hmm when i am playing music and the screen is locked i press the power button to check the time and the player get pause for a few seconds , somebody experience this too ? Jun 09 14:05:55 GAN900: if it scored a 100, then at one point it scored 20 Jun 09 14:06:14 E0x: stopped - or was it just lagging? Jun 09 14:06:26 speedevil, I think I found it Jun 09 14:06:30 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10536 Jun 09 14:06:31 Bug 10536: Media Player starts to play music with no user intervention Jun 09 14:06:31 speedevil, 10536 Jun 09 14:06:38 SpeedEvil: stopped Jun 09 14:06:54 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6907 also Jun 09 14:06:55 Bug 6907: Media Player widget suddenly starts music after Phone call ends Jun 09 14:06:59 crashanddie, that sounds like one those white trash jokes I hear every so often. . . . Jun 09 14:07:10 context-aware music player! Jun 09 14:07:41 SpeedEvil: do happe to you ? Jun 09 14:07:45 GAN900: har har Jun 09 14:07:46 happen* Jun 09 14:07:49 gibts schon location aware profile manager? Jun 09 14:07:54 speedevil, I think 6907 is possible a special case of 10536.. I can repeat it now easily 10536 easily, while 6907 apparently isn't easily reprodusible Jun 09 14:07:58 E0x: no. Jun 09 14:08:04 damn Jun 09 14:08:07 is there already location aware profile manager? Jun 09 14:08:25 SpeedEvil: you have power kernel ? Jun 09 14:08:29 E0x: no. Jun 09 14:08:36 ok Jun 09 14:08:39 E0x: Well - have in the sense that I have a deb somewhere Jun 09 14:08:51 i mean using it Jun 09 14:09:19 Tachikoma, you should propably turn to steve for that kind of high level innovations :) Jun 09 14:09:37 I have used it - I'm using stock 1.2 ATM Jun 09 14:09:54 me too Jun 09 14:11:20 Tachikoma: only english please Jun 09 14:11:30 Tachikoma: especially when your sentence contains as many english words as german Jun 09 14:12:04 makes it easier for the non-multi-linguists ;) Jun 09 14:17:40 crashanddie: i already wrote the sentence again in english, didn't i? Jun 09 14:18:12 * timeless_mbp kicks andre Jun 09 14:18:18 andre__: if you want us to use the bug tracker Jun 09 14:18:21 then you have to let bugs die Jun 09 14:18:25 otherwise, forget it Jun 09 14:18:37 a bug which is marked as fixed in a release can't be reopened Jun 09 14:18:41 it needs a new bug Jun 09 14:18:46 i think refit broke my hd in my macbook Jun 09 14:19:02 the drive is good but i cant wipe it or reinitialize it Jun 09 14:19:16 timeless_mbp, disagree Jun 09 14:19:23 well, forget about us using it Jun 09 14:19:37 you can't redact release notes Jun 09 14:19:45 once you've published them, they're published Jun 09 14:19:55 we do not need just five bugs Jun 09 14:19:59 '1 browser crashes' Jun 09 14:20:02 '2 browser is slow' Jun 09 14:20:05 '3 browser ui sucks Jun 09 14:20:12 '4 browser input methods are broken Jun 09 14:20:18 '5 browser should do something else Jun 09 14:20:25 we could keep reopening those 5 bugs forever Jun 09 14:20:31 but that doesn't make them good bugs Jun 09 14:20:42 if a bug is 'fixed' in that code has changed in order to 'fix' it Jun 09 14:20:51 then a new bug needs to exist to track a new code fix Jun 09 14:20:58 Tachikoma: just saying Jun 09 14:21:15 crashanddie: yeah, i just mixed channels up, am aware of that :) Jun 09 14:21:32 hmm Jun 09 14:21:37 how much is a ticket for helsinki metro? Jun 09 14:21:46 frals: ~2eur? Jun 09 14:21:57 alright Jun 09 14:22:06 walking is cheaper :) Jun 09 14:22:09 cba to walk from this hotel to centre Jun 09 14:22:15 where are you and where are you going? Jun 09 14:22:29 holiday inn helsinki west Jun 09 14:22:36 going -> centre:ish Jun 09 14:22:49 or, if i dont go to sleep :p Jun 09 14:22:56 a tram is ~1.80 EUR Jun 09 14:23:22 timeless_mbp, ok, I'll forget about you. np Jun 09 14:23:25 but to take the "direct" tram, you need to walk to radison seeside Jun 09 14:23:29 s/see/sea/ Jun 09 14:23:30 timeless_mbp meant: but to take the "direct" tram, you need to walk to radison seaside Jun 09 14:24:04 the tram where you are would work if you transfer when you meet the 3 Jun 09 14:24:13 but it saves you 20eurocents :) Jun 09 14:24:22 the walk is ~15mins Jun 09 14:24:36 through "scenic" helsinki :) Jun 09 14:25:41 i have a feeling ill see enough of helsinki in the coming weeks that i can safely take the metro now ;) Jun 09 14:27:10 aww Jun 09 14:27:22 they get jaded so fast Jun 09 14:32:24 timeless_mbp, interesting position. Jun 09 14:32:32 * GAN900 had always just reopened in the past. Jun 09 14:34:07 andre__, hey, with as many regressions as Nokia ships it'll make everybody look better. Jun 09 14:34:29 We get more bugs filed Jun 09 14:34:42 Nokia gets to pad out their numbers with pretend fixes. Jun 09 14:34:47 It's a win-win. Jun 09 14:35:25 timeless_mbp, if you don't want this to be an issue, doing a better job testing or stop marking bugs pretend FIXED, eh? :P Jun 09 14:41:19 scary, just saw someone with a debian tshirt Jun 09 14:41:50 I often saw ones Jun 09 14:41:53 Stskeeps, weird. Jun 09 14:41:57 see* Jun 09 14:42:06 sometime including myself ¬¬ Jun 09 14:42:14 * GAN900 wears his MeeGo every so often. Jun 09 14:44:08 GAN900: so Jun 09 14:44:13 i'm pretty sure it was *fixed* Jun 09 14:44:20 and that the system people broke the api later Jun 09 14:44:22 I say someone with an ubuntu messenger bag yesterday, that was quite sweet. :D Jun 09 14:44:24 that's not our fault Jun 09 14:44:37 s/say/saw/ Jun 09 14:44:39 alterego meant: I saw someone with an ubuntu messenger bag yesterday, that was quite sweet. :D Jun 09 14:46:15 timeless_mbp, well, that sounds like a new bug, then. Jun 09 14:46:54 To bug reporters it's only a new bug if the reporters too see it in the fixed state at some point :-) Jun 09 14:47:23 * GAN900 's screen clicks when you press near the Nokia logo. Jun 09 14:48:55 One thing that's good in Ovi Maps is the search Jun 09 14:48:55 GAN900: my screen just always clicks :) Jun 09 14:48:59 GAN900: 'ine vibrates :P Jun 09 14:49:02 and that was my point... Jun 09 14:49:23 Sygic's search is so fragile it needs local knowledge to work :/ Jun 09 14:50:29 ShadowJK: are you sending feedback to sygic? Jun 09 14:50:58 GAN900: I found a way to get in everywhere :D Jun 09 14:51:00 GAN900: http://bighugelabs.com/viewpostcard.php?id=186941-d5c88 Jun 09 14:51:18 timeless_mbp, I did in their own thread before they realized tmo is a wasteland :) Jun 09 14:51:44 ShadowJK: heh Jun 09 14:51:54 you should know better! Jun 09 14:52:02 send your feedback through their system Jun 09 14:52:11 alterego / timeless_mbp, vibrating being different than the peizo-plate like clicking I get when I press it. Jun 09 14:52:25 GAN900: my n900 is off :) Jun 09 14:52:28 ShadowJK, Ovi's search is amazingly useless. Jun 09 14:52:34 or has the screen locked Jun 09 14:52:36 whatever Jun 09 14:52:46 GAN900, it works wonderfully I think Jun 09 14:53:03 timeless_mbp: is there anything about OVi not amazingly useless? Jun 09 14:53:10 Like, you can enter the address all on one line, and it figures out what you mean Jun 09 14:53:15 Tachikoma: there's stuff that's amazingly amusing Jun 09 14:53:17 does that count? Jun 09 14:53:24 timeless_mbp: ok, that is true Jun 09 14:53:33 GAN900: I've noticed that there's GSM interferrence during my phone calls unless I apply pressure to the top side with the power button. I think it might be realted to a drop not so long ago :H Jun 09 14:53:40 i met some ovi marketing people in the city the other week Jun 09 14:53:50 at least, I don't remember it happening prior to that. Jun 09 14:54:08 Sygic wants you to enter street address, street number, city, town (and you get 0 results if you don't know that city means region or town means village, or if you don't know what random entity is entered into the village field in their database) Jun 09 14:54:11 ShadowJK, I can't find anything I search for by name. Jun 09 14:54:13 when i asked about ovi and n900 they were suddenly very quiet Jun 09 14:54:22 not sure if it warrants insurance use though. Jun 09 14:54:43 Tachikoma: heh Jun 09 14:55:18 Like, I had problems finding my own address in Sygic, I basically had to bruteforce try combinations of my address, and things that I wouldn't normally put in my address, before it found it Jun 09 14:55:34 crashanddie, you look like a homeless person in that picture. :P Jun 09 14:55:41 and Ovi Maps is just.. I put in the street name and it says oh there are two streets like that in the world, did you mean this one or that one Jun 09 14:55:46 GAN900: yeah, just a quick try Jun 09 14:55:54 GAN900: not much better than your avatar, though Jun 09 14:56:25 crashanddie, :D Jun 09 14:56:34 * GAN900 needs to update his avatar. Jun 09 14:56:54 i actually quite like Nokia Maps on the N900 Jun 09 14:57:09 ooh navigation. I used to have the map application that came with n810 until they evaporated, now I have found navit. Anyone know of a different program for n810 / Diablo? Jun 09 14:57:14 Especially now it remembers which view I prefer (night mode). Jun 09 14:57:14 the update with 1.2 however broke the roouting with ovi maps on n900 for me Jun 09 14:57:45 Tachikoma: really? works fine for me, flash or ota update? Jun 09 14:58:37 or does anyone know if it is possible to access the n810 GPS receiver through USB? Jun 09 14:58:55 i click on the route icon, then i get one field saying "your gps location" as point A and can enter something in the next field as point B. Then it searches and once it found B, the first entry "Your GPS location is gone" and what was supposed to be the end point i wnat to got to now the starting point ... Jun 09 14:59:08 alterego: ota, afterwards flashed. Jun 09 14:59:13 both, emmc and root Jun 09 14:59:24 it's just totally weird Jun 09 14:59:57 how so? Jun 09 15:01:05 well, the starting point is there and set to my gps location until i add something i want to go to Jun 09 15:02:16 maybe there's a problem between the N900 and what ever is directly behind you :P I have to admit, it took me a couple of times to get routing to work properly. Jun 09 15:02:49 GAN900: for $74 you can get a lifetime press card from the International Freelance Photographer Organisation... Jun 09 15:03:59 for less than a dollar you can print your own, which is rarely confirmed. Jun 09 15:04:08 Oftentimes, an L lens is enough in itself. Jun 09 15:04:52 ah, the wonders of Windows, reboot time, bbl Jun 09 15:04:54 toresbe: nope, it ain't Jun 09 15:05:05 toresbe: at least, not where I live Jun 09 15:05:12 toresbe, the press card sounds cheaper. :P Jun 09 15:05:15 crashanddie: that contradicts my experience, at least Jun 09 15:05:27 toresbe: do you live where I do? Jun 09 15:05:35 I don't know. Do you live in Norway? Jun 09 15:05:42 nope, so mileage may vary Jun 09 15:05:58 crashanddie: One time I got away by just attaching one of those flash holder things for cameras without hot shoes. Jun 09 15:06:10 That embiggened the camera enough to get me into a movie set. Jun 09 15:06:30 toresbe: france is extremely anal on photography laws, though yes, big lens usually means they take you seriously Jun 09 15:07:00 which goes to show how clueless people are about photography as a whole Jun 09 15:07:03 Heh. i liked this dialog box. Jun 09 15:07:22 "No stream founds in file, cannot proceed." Jun 09 15:07:30 both quit the program. :) Jun 09 15:13:36 how the hell is my nick in use... Jun 09 15:14:18 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/nokia-demonstrates-n8-video-editing-capabilities/ nice Jun 09 15:15:10 cross-channel link posting faggatry detected Jun 09 15:28:54 Does anyone actually know what this freemantle/ssu/205 repo is (that my device shipped with), as apposed to the /mc0? Jun 09 15:30:24