**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 10 02:59:57 2010 Jun 10 03:16:24 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jun 10 03:17:47 ytu Jun 10 03:20:14 hello? Jun 10 03:20:38 482 users idling huh Jun 10 03:20:43 cya Jun 10 03:33:52 SpeedEvil: hold_keys? omg. that takes even longer than the Fn dance Jun 10 03:34:57 is the keyboard driver OSS? Jun 10 03:38:33 lol Jun 10 03:39:01 hm. http://www.intomobile.com/2010/02/17/qualcomm-there-will-be-a-nokia-symbian-phone-this-year-with-snapdragon.html Jun 10 03:39:24 difficult to believe that ^ Jun 10 03:39:48 ..but, why not. Jun 10 03:39:53 why? Jun 10 03:40:01 Snapdragon easily beats anything TI has Jun 10 03:41:19 luke-jr: they said it in the article, there has been law issues. Jun 10 03:41:56 luke-jr: ti's multicore arm is not bad either. Jun 10 03:42:24 you mean the one that doesn't exist? Jun 10 03:43:14 i have read about it at least Jun 10 03:45:46 luke-jr, mind citing that? :) Jun 10 03:45:58 Snapdragon has less cache and fewer integrated pieces. Jun 10 03:46:02 So that claim is pretty much bunk. Jun 10 03:46:15 They're basically on par. Jun 10 03:46:34 fewer integrated pieces? like GSM, 802.11, GPS, etc? :p Jun 10 03:47:03 anyhow, I haven't seen any real TI offering to compete with 1.5 GHz x2 Jun 10 03:47:15 Like DSP and GPU Jun 10 03:47:22 Er, yeah. Jun 10 03:47:29 Because that's actually shipping in something. Jun 10 03:52:14 fsck MHz. Use decent performance tests Jun 10 03:55:01 Hooray Google Alerts Jun 10 03:55:09 I get to see weird people use me to justify weird positions on -users. Jun 10 04:55:04 somebody got a working fish encryption module for xchat for maemo already ? Jun 10 05:21:47 Morning! Jun 10 05:25:07 morning Jun 10 05:25:32 morn tekojo Jun 10 05:25:35 Shapeshifter: delete event fails in alarmed Jun 10 05:26:50 Shapeshifter: sorting of menus is weird - like "second, day, hour, week" Jun 10 05:27:22 presets are great Jun 10 05:30:48 a funny idea I had for command to execute: completion based on ~/*sh.history Jun 10 05:32:44 note to self: check if xterm can force shell to save history on focus-lost Jun 10 05:36:40 oooh, mBarcode works nicely Jun 10 05:37:27 yep Jun 10 05:37:56 too bad it starts the camera+flash even if the door is closed :| Jun 10 05:38:39 duh! Jun 10 05:39:14 and it still opens the camera app if i open it while it's on Jun 10 05:41:32 camera-gui is greedy, nasty, and a general PITA. Jun 10 06:30:52 does anyone know where i can find the list of tweaks with the n900 screen rotation, like speed and smoothness stuff like that? Jun 10 06:37:42 pigeon: do you mean transition control? Jun 10 06:41:33 i'm not sure to be honest, i just remember reading a page about things you can tweak, and those numbers are in gconf somewhere Jun 10 06:44:55 question: in your opinion, will maemo in any way ( a fork? ) developed anyway in the future even with the event of meego adopted as primary platform from nokia? Jun 10 06:45:43 nextime: community SSU, maybe, but forking a closed source OS is difficult Jun 10 06:46:07 Stskeeps : closed? which things are closed in maemo? Jun 10 06:46:41 sec Jun 10 06:47:07 i need to rtfm something more about it... anyway, i'm sad about the lose of the "debian based" thing on meego Jun 10 06:47:23 meh, spend some time with the rpm tools and packaging and it's actually nicer Jun 10 06:47:24 :P Jun 10 06:47:37 http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html Jun 10 06:47:50 Stskeeps : yes, but as a long time debian user ( from when debian exists ) on all my pc/servers Jun 10 06:48:03 i prefer to have a debian based system even on my phone :) Jun 10 06:48:08 hehe Jun 10 06:48:50 Stskeeps : consider that the "debian based" os is the primary reason on my choice for nokia n900... Jun 10 06:52:00 * mece tips his hat to the maemites Jun 10 07:10:50 morning Jun 10 07:19:24 Morning, all Jun 10 07:25:11 Jaffa, morning. Jun 10 07:25:26 Anyone want to test my modified libhildonfm2? Jun 10 07:25:51 what type of media player plugin does Mobile firefox have? Jun 10 07:26:17 mece: modified for what Jun 10 07:27:04 I see it most likely has none :/ Jun 10 07:27:27 Definitately need for a gecko mediaplayer is great Jun 10 07:28:38 Appiah, to show filename extensions Jun 10 07:28:48 http://twitpic.com/1vc5m5 Jun 10 07:29:03 cool Jun 10 07:29:15 but I'd bet thats for PR1.2 Jun 10 07:29:26 (still not updated) Jun 10 07:29:40 Appiah, well, you need some updated hildon libs for it to run, so I guess so. Jun 10 07:29:46 Appiah, so update. Jun 10 07:29:49 why cant i delete all the connections Jun 10 07:30:09 red, internet connections? Jun 10 07:30:32 i mean, ihave connection A set as default, yet it always connects to B which doesnt work Jun 10 07:30:42 mece: not yet :) Jun 10 07:30:45 both have the delete option grayed out Jun 10 07:31:12 red, fAPN problem? Jun 10 07:31:20 i think the other one came when i tried the fmms app (its called MMS) Jun 10 07:31:34 red, uninstall fAPN Jun 10 07:31:54 fmms isnt installed and cant see fapn in the list Jun 10 07:32:05 ill see what apt-get says Jun 10 07:32:45 red, perhaps fapn is included in fmms these days? I forget how it works. Havent used it lately. Jun 10 07:33:02 fapn not installed Jun 10 07:33:35 wonder in where the connections are stored if i could delete it manually Jun 10 07:50:34 red, well first remove fmms. Jun 10 07:53:23 You can remove the non working APNs using gconf-tool2 Jun 10 07:54:30 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=39737&page=3 Jun 10 07:56:48 http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/06/09/nokia.house.shows.s.series.c7.e7.x7.and.n9/ new nokia phone roadmap? Jun 10 08:04:46 frals, ping Jun 10 08:11:10 solrize: old news Jun 10 08:11:18 is there any more info Jun 10 08:11:18 ? Jun 10 08:12:32 it's a rumour Jun 10 08:12:51 well ok, that presentation seems to be new though Jun 10 08:12:56 not that it says anything interesting Jun 10 08:13:29 well, for all we know, it could be an economy bachelor's end-of-studies project Jun 10 08:13:34 certainly looks like it Jun 10 08:13:41 No Nokia branding, no copyright notice Jun 10 08:13:56 ic Jun 10 08:14:06 http://www.nokiaphones.net/nokia-n9-first-phone-on-meego/ more of the same Jun 10 08:14:10 You would be deeply wrong to think that it says nothing. Jun 10 08:14:16 If you actually look Jun 10 08:14:25 It shows, Nokia is building an unstable house Jun 10 08:15:10 Termana: what's even worse, they know there's problems with it. "Faible" is french for "weak" Jun 10 08:15:46 also, there's no way that chimney is going to stay put Jun 10 08:18:33 what's Harmattan? "PR2.0" or MeeGo? Jun 10 08:18:46 LiraNuna: Maemo 6 Jun 10 08:18:58 I thought there will be no Maemo 6 Jun 10 08:19:03 LiraNuna: Correct Jun 10 08:19:15 * LiraNuna confused Jun 10 08:19:25 LiraLuna, harmattan is Maemo 6. It's called MeeGo for some reason, eventhough it's not really meego. Jun 10 08:19:27 Harmattan was planned before the Nokia-Intel marriage Jun 10 08:19:49 but there's no MeeGo support for N900 Jun 10 08:19:56 does it mean a new device? Jun 10 08:20:07 LiraNuna: Nokia N9 presumably Jun 10 08:20:12 LiraNuna, There IS MeeGo support for N900 Jun 10 08:20:16 MeeGo = full open source shit Jun 10 08:20:23 Maemo 6 = closed shit Jun 10 08:20:24 But yes, there is a new device Jun 10 08:20:26 non official* Jun 10 08:20:29 No commercial support for N900 Jun 10 08:20:35 so basically... Jun 10 08:20:37 and Maemo 6 is not really MeeGo underneath Jun 10 08:20:46 MeeGo is kind of like the android we have Jun 10 08:20:48 * LiraNuna is even more confused now Jun 10 08:20:53 (except it's working) Jun 10 08:21:09 MohammadAG51, except it's proper linux, afaict. Jun 10 08:21:15 Duckboot, no commercial support as in, you can't call them up. They are providing people to work on it. Jun 10 08:21:18 Maemo 6 would be like Android on google devices (app store etc..) Jun 10 08:21:37 oh, THAT what "commercial support" means? Jun 10 08:21:38 Termana: Mmmm - Think so. Jun 10 08:21:44 mece, yes, I was using android as a reference Jun 10 08:22:06 hopefully ovi will be closed shit and we won't have it Jun 10 08:22:16 anyways, i'm sticking to M5 Jun 10 08:22:26 More like, know so. The whole N900 MeeGo team is Nokia employees/contractors Jun 10 08:22:33 Theres like 10 of them Jun 10 08:22:43 MohammadAG51, M5? Jun 10 08:22:52 LiraNuna, Maemo 5... Jun 10 08:22:54 Maemo 5, wasn't it obvious? Jun 10 08:22:55 oh Jun 10 08:23:06 LiraLuna, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551 read that. It's an excellent thread if you ignore the whine. Jun 10 08:23:08 well, there was N9, N8, etc Jun 10 08:24:19 so MeeGo is going to be 'more open' than Maemo5? Jun 10 08:24:27 MohammadAG51: have you something to do with usb on-the-go? Jun 10 08:24:29 Also, Nokia are willing to license Maemo 6 for N900 if the community can get it working. So you will probably see Maemo 6 on N900 as well Jun 10 08:24:44 Maemo 6?huh Jun 10 08:24:57 Jaffa, cheers for new hermes! Jun 10 08:25:09 Scelt_, it's not OTG.... Jun 10 08:25:17 mece, new hermes? OMG Jun 10 08:25:21 MohammadAG51: what then? Jun 10 08:25:28 Scelt_, usb host Jun 10 08:25:29 Appiah, Maemo 6 - Harmattan/MeeGo Jun 10 08:25:39 oknp Jun 10 08:26:00 Didnt know Maemo 6 = MeeGo Jun 10 08:26:08 just one day I thought about that kind of thing, to be able to attach a external hdd to my n900 Jun 10 08:26:10 Seriously, this is troublesome. How is it not easy to understand the Harmattan naming situation Jun 10 08:26:27 for an HDD you need external power Jun 10 08:26:39 Appiah, Maemo 6 != MeeGo. Only in branding. Jun 10 08:26:51 ... Jun 10 08:26:55 unless it's an SSD Jun 10 08:26:58 I'd very much like to dual boot that though. Jun 10 08:26:59 Die in fire Jun 10 08:27:08 * Appiah dies Jun 10 08:27:21 MohammadAG51: yeye, that's not a problem Jun 10 08:27:32 * MohammadAG51 sings Still Alive (portal) Jun 10 08:30:06 ok soo.. anyone with pr1.2 wanna test the modified libhildonfm2? I've only tested it on my own phone so far. Works for me. MohammadAG51? DocScrutinizer? Jun 10 08:30:36 why us? Jun 10 08:30:49 probably due to experience ;) Jun 10 08:30:50 it's a conspiracy I tell ya Jun 10 08:31:10 MohammadAG51, because you want it? Jun 10 08:31:10 mece, sure Jun 10 08:31:11 what can we replace asm "int $3" on arm with? Jun 10 08:31:15 MohammadAG51, you have nothing better to do anyway, what are you complaining about? :P Jun 10 08:31:25 MohammadAG51, hold on, I'll put the deb somewhere. Jun 10 08:31:48 Termana, I do have something better to do, but I'm not sure how to do it xP Jun 10 08:31:48 * psycho_oreos has pr1.2 running but the phone is busy repacking all the pre-installed deb files Jun 10 08:34:30 ~curse closed source Jun 10 08:34:32 I should tell you that there is one annoying sideeffect with switching to the new filemanager. The stupid pr1.2 will come as an update again. Jun 10 08:34:55 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, closed source ! Jun 10 08:35:22 mece, raise the time stamp in the changelog Jun 10 08:36:23 MohammadAG51, hmm I don't think that's the problem. It is listed as newer than the one in pr1.2 anyway. Jun 10 08:36:44 MohammadAG51, if I were to make it the same version I'm sure that wouldn't happen, but that would be just wrong. Jun 10 08:36:52 mece, don't change the version number Jun 10 08:37:09 i think mp-fremantle-generic-pr depends on it Jun 10 08:38:31 MohammadAG51, it does, but I wanted to point out that it's different. Oh well. I'll make another later. wanna try this one? you can undo it by installing the original from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libh/libhildonfm/ anyway Jun 10 08:39:02 or just apt-get install it :) Jun 10 08:39:06 mece libhildonfm2 (= 1:2.28.18+0m5) Jun 10 08:39:21 MohammadAG51, it wasn't in my repos Jun 10 08:39:37 I know, I was referring to the original one Jun 10 08:39:59 MohammadAG51, for some reason I couldn't install it with apt. Jun 10 08:40:21 MohammadAG51, anyway here: http://hedwerks.net/stuff/libhildonfm2_2.28.18+0m5-maemo2_armel.deb Jun 10 08:41:13 my build environment is a bit sketchy, so if it bombs, it's probly due to that and not the modifications. Jun 10 08:41:23 since they were tiny and simple. Jun 10 08:42:50 morning Jun 10 08:43:16 you'll need to restart something or reboot too.. Jun 10 08:44:25 Termana: "only in branding"? Maemo6 !=MeeGo in packaging as well Jun 10 08:45:00 chem|st, Termana meant that Maemo6 == MeeGo only in branding. Jun 10 08:45:05 afaict. Jun 10 08:45:15 ah that way around... Jun 10 08:45:26 guess its not only branding Jun 10 08:45:42 mece: what was libhildonfm2 for? Jun 10 08:45:55 chem|st, file manager and file picker/chooser Jun 10 08:46:07 and your patch does what? Jun 10 08:46:07 chem|st, modded to show filename extensions. Jun 10 08:46:15 ah!!!111 Jun 10 08:46:19 nice! Jun 10 08:46:58 chem|st, :) yes, I'm quite happy with it. I'm wondering what other mods would be nice. Jun 10 08:47:22 Making the descriptive bit under the filename a smaller font perhaps. Jun 10 08:47:22 everytime I finish a Qt gui someoneelse has the full blown program uploaded to garage, quiet disappointing Jun 10 08:47:32 I should go to maintain libs! Jun 10 08:47:36 chem|st, lol Jun 10 08:47:40 chem|st, like what? Jun 10 08:47:59 fourier transformation I found handy ;) Jun 10 08:48:22 how can I see the depends of a deb? particularly mp-fremantle-generic-pr? Jun 10 08:48:31 or go back to the roots and try some hardware abstraction Jun 10 08:48:46 apt-cache show mp.... Jun 10 08:49:11 but dpkg can list that aswell Jun 10 08:49:14 chem|st, but how do I see the control file? Jun 10 08:49:35 (should be huge) Jun 10 08:51:03 chem|st, if I ever needed to do fourier transfers, and app would be nice :D Luckily I've already done the maths courses and will not touch that again. Jun 10 08:51:24 yay! garnetVM for n900 Jun 10 08:51:34 url? Jun 10 08:52:13 http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ Jun 10 08:52:13 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6668/garnet-vm-working-on-the-nokia-n900/ Jun 10 08:53:41 MohammadAG51, did it work or is your phone now a smoking crater? Jun 10 08:54:00 it just imploded Jun 10 08:54:13 how? Jun 10 08:54:14 yeah.. conservative vs. ondemand showed me that ondemand is better Jun 10 08:54:19 do I have to reboot? I don't see a difference Jun 10 08:54:20 heh Jun 10 08:54:32 MohammadAG51, or restart some hildon stuff. reboot is what I did. Jun 10 08:54:49 conservative makes the n900 2x slower and doesnt really save any battery life Jun 10 08:55:06 conservative? Jun 10 08:55:12 mece: I need it for signal handling but the program isnt compiling atm Jun 10 08:55:21 for the power governor Jun 10 08:55:35 mece, change the version number to the original one, pleeease :P Jun 10 08:56:54 MohammadAG51, so it works? Jun 10 08:57:02 does the enhanced kernel have nfs? Jun 10 08:57:24 or sshfs? :) Jun 10 08:57:25 btw. what is the deal with this smartarray stuff. IT worked fine befoe PR1.2 and does not work anymore for me now. I know it's not supposed to work but i wondered if there are hints what one could try. It nearly doubled my runtime ... Jun 10 08:58:00 so.. anyone? how do I see a list of depends from a package? Jun 10 08:58:04 Macer: nfs was already shipped with the device, so I'd assume that it is in the power kernel as well Jun 10 08:58:11 hrm, when I try to get DUN working, I get unable to open host for /dev/rfcomm0 Jun 10 08:58:28 MohammadAG51, was hoping to make it work somehow with a better version number, or whatnot. Jun 10 08:58:34 obex works fine though Jun 10 08:58:46 mece change mp-fremantle then :P Jun 10 08:58:55 Macer: yes, it comes with nfs Jun 10 08:59:01 or make it a separate package that installs somewhere else Jun 10 08:59:24 erm I get host is down that is for /dev/rfcomm0 Jun 10 08:59:35 MohammadAG51, I could just rename the package. dpkg won't know what hit it! Jun 10 08:59:36 Macer: for sshfs afaik you need no support on the kernel level at all, just a working ssh server Jun 10 08:59:46 s/dpkg/HAM/ Jun 10 08:59:46 mece meant: MohammadAG51, I could just rename the package. HAM won't know what hit it! Jun 10 09:00:15 I mean it would still overwrite the lib file like we want Jun 10 09:00:43 I'll try that. Jun 10 09:01:02 Tachikoma: ive never tried it Jun 10 09:01:10 it would be nie to use Jun 10 09:01:12 Stskeeps: http://www.access-company.com/cgi/gvm.cgi?a=download_eula_now&w=N900&o=OS2009 Jun 10 09:01:30 using sftp kind of sucks.. i would love to stream vs. xfer files Jun 10 09:01:44 Stskeeps: basically it is n810 version but with proper portrait direction Jun 10 09:01:45 Stskeeps, is that an official release? Jun 10 09:02:04 what is? Jun 10 09:02:08 only problem with nfs tho is that you are stuck with "user" Jun 10 09:02:10 the website looks so shiny.. Jun 10 09:02:14 Stskeeps, garnet Jun 10 09:02:28 maemo needs logins with uid/gid stuff :) Jun 10 09:02:45 mece: no cluie Jun 10 09:03:42 k Jun 10 09:04:02 mece: just run n900 meego Jun 10 09:04:08 * Macer hides Jun 10 09:04:48 Macer, I don't really want to run Garnet. I was just curious. Jun 10 09:05:14 mece: I am using garnet only for Metro ;d Jun 10 09:06:01 hrw, what's metro? Jun 10 09:07:09 hrw: is it up-side-down for you? Jun 10 09:08:13 Stskeeps: you are a nokia right? Jun 10 09:08:21 no, i'm not a nokian Jun 10 09:08:26 nokian I mean Jun 10 09:08:27 mece: http://metro.nanika.net/ Jun 10 09:08:34 damn Jun 10 09:08:48 I need s/o to slap some other for me... Jun 10 09:08:51 chem|st: n900 version has proper portrait. n810 was up-down Jun 10 09:09:19 hrw: I have the n900 version and the bottom is at the usb connector side! Jun 10 09:10:08 chem|st: here it is fine Jun 10 09:10:21 grml Jun 10 09:10:53 moo all Jun 10 09:11:01 moo Jun 10 09:11:08 DocScrutinizer51: do you have 0.2.0-1 or -2 ? Jun 10 09:11:22 mece, it worked Jun 10 09:11:29 and crashed X somehow Jun 10 09:12:08 moo Jun 10 09:12:41 Umm, can anyone tell me where chromium went? Jun 10 09:13:17 MohammadAG51, crashed? Jun 10 09:13:31 someone sent a cease and desist letter, afaik Jun 10 09:13:33 mece, yeah, I'll blame you for the time being Jun 10 09:13:43 till I found out what actually caused it Jun 10 09:13:43 MohammadAG51, I got a crash the first time I ran it, and nothing after that. Jun 10 09:14:03 Stskeeps, for what? chromium? Jun 10 09:14:08 MohammadAG51, I opened filemanager, scrolled down really fast, and then it rebooted. Jun 10 09:14:10 Mohammad: Yes Jun 10 09:14:20 RST38h, why Jun 10 09:14:26 Mohammad: There is some patent troll on the lose, trying to make money on Chrome Jun 10 09:14:26 MohammadAG51, if you find the cause, let me know. Jun 10 09:14:31 mece, kind of did the same, but it didn't reboot now Jun 10 09:14:48 err, -now Jun 10 09:14:53 i had to reboot manually Jun 10 09:14:58 Stskeeps, oh... Jun 10 09:15:00 RST38h, it's open source Jun 10 09:15:05 well, chromium is Jun 10 09:15:36 MohammadAG51, my actual mod is so small that I don't think it is the problem. Might be some bugs in the build though. It sorta felt like it was indexing or whatnot and I stressed it. Jun 10 09:16:34 to change the name of a package, is it enough to modify the control file? Jun 10 09:16:40 mece, now can you please change the number Jun 10 09:16:43 lol no Jun 10 09:16:56 lolwut? Jun 10 09:17:05 well yes, but you'll have to adjust debian/rules Jun 10 09:17:17 ok. will check that. Jun 10 09:17:29 unless it's packaged well Jun 10 09:17:48 MohammadAG51, well it's packaged by nokia... Jun 10 09:18:25 I guess. Jun 10 09:20:42 mece: A couple of minor bugs to fix - testing today appreciated Jun 10 09:21:24 I've got dh_makeshlibs -plibhildonfm2 -V"libhildonfm2 (>= 1:2.28+0m5)" Jun 10 09:22:57 Mohammad: This does not prevent patent trolls from attacking it Jun 10 09:24:08 I get some "compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated" Jun 10 09:30:28 How to run apt-get from the arm freemantle scratchbox? It required CPU transparecny mode to be set. Not clear what does it mean. Should I run apt-get from qemu-arm? And if so, how to find the corresponding apt-get app from the outside of the fakeroot? Its /usr/ folder seems to be symlinking elsewhere... Jun 10 09:31:24 mmarc__, apt-get works fine in arm... Jun 10 09:31:38 mmarc__, just switch to target arm and apt-get all you want. Jun 10 09:32:51 x64? Jun 10 09:33:33 mece, I've switched or what do you mean? Jun 10 09:34:33 mmarc__, what is the problem exactly? Jun 10 09:35:12 Could you please help me to understand: in FREMANTLE ARM root on 32-bit host the gcc acts as a cross-compiler to arm, correct? Then how apt-get works? Logically, it should be also x86-compiled to get it working. Jun 10 09:35:59 mmarc__, no idea. it just works. Jun 10 09:36:08 Basically, I need to install some development libs on ARM root, but apt-get says "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" Jun 10 09:36:38 mmarc__, never had that issue. Jun 10 09:36:43 It also just works for me under i486 root Jun 10 09:37:57 mmarc__, so your prompt looks like "[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARM: ~] > " and you type "apt-get install " and you get that error? Jun 10 09:38:14 yeah, exactly! Jun 10 09:38:19 how curious. Jun 10 09:40:19 mmarc__, here's something: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34801 Jun 10 09:42:24 MohammadAG51, so did it crash again or is it working now? Jun 10 09:44:12 mece, thanks, the difference with other users' experiences is that sb-menu CPU transparency menu has only "none" option Jun 10 09:44:24 < Un SaLuTo a TuTto il chan #maemo > Jun 10 09:44:32 _list Jun 10 09:45:33 on irc log there is also scratchbox-devkit-cputrans package mentioned Jun 10 09:46:45 GarnetVM is AWESOME. Jun 10 09:46:54 and up side down Jun 10 09:47:46 that's to run old palm apps? who wants to do that? Jun 10 09:47:51 yea that takes me back a bit :P Jun 10 09:48:13 solrize: For the sheer joy of beeing back in PalmOS days Jun 10 09:49:47 anyone know how fast the n900 bluetooth is? Jun 10 09:49:56 guys, could you please state what options do you have in sb-menu cpu transparency option that is deeper in setup menu? I really wonder why I have none. Jun 10 09:51:44 oh hah, it looks like high speed bluetooth actually moves the data by wifi ;) Jun 10 09:57:16 Anyone knows if there is a bug report for the annoying phone app glitch? Jun 10 09:57:30 When it shows up and then does acribatics for a few seconds? Jun 10 09:59:00 mece, N900's still working Jun 10 10:00:03 did i already mention how awesome the n900 is? :) Jun 10 10:01:00 mh, vllt pass east india trading company ja besser als piraten :) Jun 10 10:01:14 is there a way to make the maemo backup activate itself periodically? Jun 10 10:01:48 while I'm using backuppc now, the official backup might be easier to restore should the software side die again some day.. Jun 10 10:03:53 i just got an sms from nokia telling me there is an update for my n900 and i should enter some URL on my PC Jun 10 10:03:55 wtf??? Jun 10 10:06:45 phishing? Jun 10 10:07:23 no, the url is valid and says the same Jun 10 10:07:55 mece: Hermes 0.8.0 should be in Extras-devel. Testing welcome; but take a backup of your contacts Just In Case[TM] ;-) Jun 10 10:08:34 got the sms too Jun 10 10:09:18 it doesn't make sense. why do i have to use a pc to update an internet enabled device running linux? Jun 10 10:09:35 www.nokia.de/softwareupdate is the url btw Jun 10 10:09:40 totally generic Jun 10 10:09:59 just checking with apt Jun 10 10:10:11 this is getting too much like apple and itunes Jun 10 10:10:44 with the difference that with apple and itunes this stuff actually works ;) Jun 10 10:10:48 everything has to happen through an application controlled by the vendor. Jun 10 10:11:21 i mean, i get an sms with an generic url asking me to select my phone. From apple i'd expect some url fitting my device Jun 10 10:11:31 tachikoma: correct Jun 10 10:11:44 i guess this might be ovi store related :) Jun 10 10:12:20 at least that would be the only thing I'd understand them to actively notify people as i would not go there anymore wuithout a heads up that it finally is ready Jun 10 10:12:35 but the I'd expect at least a little hint what this update is about ... Jun 10 10:12:47 ovi in general gave me more grief and downtime in a year than yahoo gave me in ten years. Jun 10 10:13:07 ok, no updates available via apt, guess this sms is total bogus Jun 10 10:13:24 as the webpage states one could install the update using the app installer as well Jun 10 10:15:12 i personally don;t care about ovi anymore, i do not believe this will ever fly for maemo5. For meego/maemo6 maybe but i don;t belive that this is even of big interest for nokia with maemo5 ... Jun 10 10:20:03 dneary: ping Jun 10 10:20:12 Jaffa, pong Jun 10 10:20:24 Jaffa, What can I do you for? Jun 10 10:21:34 dneary: Example of the problems programmers face finding API docs. I want to set an input field (HildonEntry) to be numeric only. This probably involves setting the hildon-input-mode property to some flags (I've done it elsewhere, but not with numbers). So I google for one of the fixed values: HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL - and the only definitive Maemo reference manual entry is to diablo at position #3 :-( Jun 10 10:22:33 I have the suspicion that this sms for a system update was only supposed for symbian users. the webpage talks about 'Go on your device into menu and select "programs->update".' Jun 10 10:22:56 that does not exist on my device... Jun 10 10:23:10 Jaffa, You googled for HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL directly? Jun 10 10:23:19 heh... gtk stock icons got killed in pr1.2 Jun 10 10:23:22 Not "HildonEntry numeric input" or something? Jun 10 10:23:26 bug 10351 Jun 10 10:23:27 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10351 Icons at bottom broken since PR1.2 Jun 10 10:23:27 dneary: yup - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Jun 10 10:25:16 Jaffa, So do you think that we're not linking enough to specific API docs from code samples & the reference docs, or...? Jun 10 10:25:18 when nokia will stop breaking 3rdparty apps with system updates? Jun 10 10:27:12 dneary: Dunno - I'd hoped that the Dev Center think would contain enough centralised resource that I wouldn't go to Google and its search would be definitive; but since Nokia have refused to include major third party APIs/platforms like Python, I don't use it. Jun 10 10:27:54 hrw: With an Open OS like Maemo you cannot hope to not break anything. Jun 10 10:28:34 Duckboot: there should be some stability and migration plans Jun 10 10:29:10 hrw: All major players on Linux recognize that simple fact. That's why there exists a thing called Compability Matrix. Jun 10 10:29:39 dneary: Searching for HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL or "numeric entry" on library.maemodocs.nokia.com are both useful. What about cloning it, making the header less intrusive and including Python/hilonmm etc :) Jun 10 10:30:33 hmm, I wonder if uploading a modified closed source package is allowed Jun 10 10:30:42 oh well, already uploaded Jun 10 10:31:25 MohammadAG51: as long as its free to distribute... Jun 10 10:31:53 chem|st, well, yeah, but the package is borked (overwrites a file from another package) Jun 10 10:32:05 office live 2010 editing works nicely on n900 http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4687886038/ Jun 10 10:32:05 hrw: For example, if you come to Oracle with an contaminated system with loads of 3rd party libs, they just wave you goodbye. Jun 10 10:32:06 so I removed the file and edited the control file, then repackaged it Jun 10 10:32:50 hrw: Or give you the Compability Matrix, and tell you to reinstall Jun 10 10:33:01 Ok, I've found export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD is just a shell symbol to set Jun 10 10:33:14 And I set it to "export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb" Jun 10 10:33:52 Now apt-get in working, but just partially, it now won't do apt-get update Jun 10 10:34:03 E: Method http has died unexpectedly! Jun 10 10:34:09 dude, reinstall scratchbox Jun 10 10:34:14 and the whole sdk Jun 10 10:34:26 you shouldn't be getting all that sh*t Jun 10 10:34:49 well, I did nothing stange :) just used pythin installer... Jun 10 10:38:06 Heya guys, I could use a little guidance regarding creating .debs for the maemo platform Jun 10 10:38:18 I have a little game created using SDL and SDL_image Jun 10 10:38:34 Should I put anything specific in prog.pro, on CONFIG? Jun 10 10:38:35 CONFIG -= qt Jun 10 10:38:35 CONFIG += debug Jun 10 10:38:39 instead of that. Jun 10 10:39:06 On the GTK_Example on the MADDE website, they put link_pkgconfig, because it is a python+GTK example. Jun 10 10:41:01 Jaffa, Here's your problem: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alibrary.maemodocs.nokia.com+numerical+entry&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a Jun 10 10:41:23 Jaffa, It seems like there's no sitemap for Google to trawl & index pages in lmnc Jun 10 10:41:45 dneary: Indeed. No results for "numeric entry" at *all* Jun 10 10:41:49 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/10/spymobile_light_speed/ Jun 10 10:41:52 Opening a bug Jun 10 10:41:56 dneary: Thanks Jun 10 10:55:56 Jaffa, It's not straightforward to get direct links to help pages either Jun 10 10:56:01 I had to dig around to get http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.c.toolkit/api_refs/5.0/gtk/GtkEntry.html Jun 10 10:57:16 uff. that was an epic lunch. Jun 10 11:02:09 hi all, any idea if it's possible to send SMS from a script / console / python on the N900? Jun 10 11:02:18 Saviq, yes. Jun 10 11:02:35 mece: can you point me to some docs? Jun 10 11:02:38 vertsms source Jun 10 11:02:57 cool thanks Jun 10 11:03:16 :) Jun 10 11:03:35 yes, I channeled my thoughts through MohammadAG51's keyboard :D Jun 10 11:04:51 lol Jun 10 11:05:36 MohammadAG51, testing a renamed package for libhildonfm2 now. Let's see if the update bug doesn't annoy. Jun 10 11:09:46 MohammedAG51: Do you know anything about this problem I have Jun 10 11:09:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55751 Jun 10 11:11:25 You're accessing talk.maemo.org? Jun 10 11:11:30 I'm not sure that's curable. Jun 10 11:11:36 hehehe Jun 10 11:11:40 :'( Jun 10 11:11:49 Am I doomed then? Jun 10 11:12:26 The libs+= line looks a likely cndidate Jun 10 11:12:33 marcus: MADDE isn't good for SDL, i think Jun 10 11:12:42 i might be wrong though Jun 10 11:13:05 SpeedEvil: I thought so as well, but the output got errors, and it looked like it tried to find the libraries _inside_ the folders of the deb pkg. Jun 10 11:16:45 hmm Jun 10 11:17:16 Oooh, pretty. I think it managed out fine. Jun 10 11:17:31 Just needed the - in front of lSDL & lSDL_image Jun 10 11:18:20 So I guess I just put the .deb file onto my n900, and install it? Jun 10 11:18:28 Anyone mind giving me the command again? :) Jun 10 11:18:50 dpkg -i foo.deb? Jun 10 11:19:03 I need root, aye? Jun 10 11:19:11 dpkg -i or just open it in file manager and ham should install it Jun 10 11:19:31 Haven't used dpkg much, using Arch here. Jun 10 11:21:04 dpkg won't install dependencies Jun 10 11:21:14 Jaffa: hermes is your app - right? Jun 10 11:21:20 it is Jun 10 11:21:38 mece: VertSMS doesn't seem to work for me - it does put the sms into the rtcomm database, but no sms came through :/ Jun 10 11:22:11 hmm Jun 10 11:22:35 a question though: the binary is then located in /usr/bin/foo, what about img files then? Where should they be located? Jun 10 11:23:04 Currently, it should be reading them from the place the binary is, but that is just stupid to put them in /usr/bin .3 Jun 10 11:23:05 :3 Jun 10 11:25:44 bug 8369 got update Jun 10 11:25:45 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 "Something went wrong" error when browser switchboard is installed Jun 10 11:26:27 Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.osso_browser was not provided by any .service files Jun 10 11:36:37 How the hell did I get a game installed on my N900 called 'them bloody ducks'? Jun 10 11:36:47 All I did was uninstall opera mobile Jun 10 11:38:28 TigerTael: i think TomaszD ran into that too, that it installed an random app when uninstalling one or something Jun 10 11:39:03 mornin Stskeeps croppa Jun 10 11:39:09 damn Jun 10 11:39:16 croppa, sorry, was aiming for crashanddie Jun 10 11:39:44 can the Jun 10 11:40:02 email client display source and headers? Jun 10 11:40:20 Stskeeps, yeah, I was trying to uninstall it and I saw that it said downloading about 500kb's... Jun 10 11:40:24 I was like, downloading? Jun 10 11:44:17 MohammadAG51, damn that dpkg is a wimp. Jun 10 11:44:38 MohammadAG51, didn't even want to overwrite a file, just because it was also in another package. Jun 10 11:45:01 MohammadAG51, --force-overwrite did the trick though. Jun 10 11:46:26 about the crash, I wonder if it's something cached that is incompatible with the new version of libhildonfm2.so that needs to recache before you launch the app. Jun 10 11:50:28 I need libgl-dev, that is removed from 5 sdk final. is there an alternative place to get it or could you please share, if you have it? Jun 10 11:52:11 I remember there being some log of what happened when a device crash. Where is that thing? Jun 10 11:52:56 there is "boot_reason" but there could also be more logs that are created Jun 10 11:56:06 * noobmonk3y wohooooooooooooo's Jun 10 11:57:16 oopses are stored on a seperate partition Jun 10 11:57:24 flailingmonkey, where is boot_reason then? Jun 10 11:57:33 /proc Jun 10 11:58:11 hahha pwr_key Jun 10 11:58:13 damn Jun 10 11:59:59 ok so.. renamed the package so it no longer messes with firmware stuff. Jun 10 12:00:25 However, I don't think this would ever be installable through ham for example, since it overwrites a file that belongs to another package. Jun 10 12:00:29 mece: ? Jun 10 12:00:54 Healthcheck is the most popular utility software on Maemo5 :) - yay Jun 10 12:00:56 the modified file manager chooser picker thingamabob Jun 10 12:01:15 noobmonk3y, LIES! I don't have it, so it can't be the most popular! Jun 10 12:01:28 * noobmonk3y slaps mece around a bit with healthcheck Jun 10 12:01:30 I do have it, so it must be Jun 10 12:01:35 cant say I use it though! Jun 10 12:01:36 * noobmonk3y agrees with nidO Jun 10 12:01:41 nidO: lol ;) Jun 10 12:01:47 will flashing the n810 securely erase all previous bits stored in /home/user ? Jun 10 12:01:53 noobmonk3y: lol .. yeah we all use it daily :P Jun 10 12:01:57 its an app that needs to be used after you've screwed up your n900 normally Jun 10 12:02:58 damn I hate nationwide. Jun 10 12:03:50 * lcuk smashes a frozen trout over noobmonk3y's head Jun 10 12:03:55 oooops, i thought it had thawed Jun 10 12:04:36 how to become root in scratchbox? Jun 10 12:04:40 Hello. With what software can I transfer files from my laptop (running K/Ubuntu) onto my N900? Am I stuck with "scp" or is there a better file manager? Jun 10 12:04:47 or howto set ui to 0? Jun 10 12:05:04 kwtm: nautilus? Jun 10 12:05:16 kwtm: the file manager Jun 10 12:05:49 kwtm: or dolphin - default for KDE Jun 10 12:06:12 mmarc__: Are you referring to the file manager on Kubuntu on my laptop? Or file manager on N900 (which I don't think is Nautilus)? Jun 10 12:07:01 mmarc__: Yeah, right now I am on a hotel network where I can't SSH into my N900. However, I can ssh FROM my N900 into a remote server (outside the hotel network). Jun 10 12:07:05 I mean you could just plugin your n900 select USB storage mode on its screen, and then Ubuntu/Kubuntu will automatically notify you the storage device is added and you can then browse it with standard file manager Jun 10 12:07:30 mmarc__: Yes, that's what I did: plugged into USB and selected USB storage mode. Something weird happened: Jun 10 12:08:02 on my laptop, I see files and directories. But these are not the same files and directories I see on my N900 on File Manager (or in the shell)! Jun 10 12:08:19 kwtm: yeah, it's normal Jun 10 12:08:29 if anyone dares, you can try this now: http://hedwerks.net/stuff/libhildonfm2-community_2.28.18+0m5-maemo1_armel.deb Jun 10 12:08:44 mece: What has been changed? Jun 10 12:08:53 you need to install with dpkg -i --force-overwrite Jun 10 12:09:00 I suspect either the directories visible on my laptop are in a subdirectory on the N900, or (less likely) the directory structure on the N900 is contained in a subdirectory of what I see on the laptop. Jun 10 12:09:04 RST38h, just lists filename extensions Jun 10 12:09:35 to uninstall you need to dpkg -r and then install the original from here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libh/libhildonfm/ Jun 10 12:09:41 using dpkg, not ham. Jun 10 12:09:43 mmarc__: I haven't been able to figure out how the two directory structures are related. Jun 10 12:09:56 kwtm: but after you copy something on device and unplug it, you can then see your files with device file manager Jun 10 12:10:10 mece: Not enough to be worth testing it =) Jun 10 12:10:11 I tried creating a directory with a unique name on the laptop... couldn't find it. Jun 10 12:10:25 mmarc__: Oh, I have to unplug it first? I already unmounted. WIll try unplugging. Jun 10 12:10:32 RST38h :) Jun 10 12:10:35 mece: but if you shrink the time to scan large directories (100+ files) I will be the first in line to test it =) Jun 10 12:10:41 kwtm: are you trying to find it _after_ unplugging your device ? Jun 10 12:10:52 mooo Jun 10 12:11:04 RST38h, heee.. perhaps I could. we'll see. I'm off. Jun 10 12:11:45 kwtm: from ssh view all files are placed to ~/MyDocs Jun 10 12:12:12 mmarc__: Okay, unplugged now. So, for example, I put something in the /MountPointForN900/.documents directory (as seen from the laptop)... Ah, I see. Will try ~/MyDocs Jun 10 12:12:39 Ahhh.... I see, it's only after unplugging that the files show up... strange, but I guess I will get used to it. Jun 10 12:12:46 say mece, what if you Jun 10 12:13:04 kwtm: yeah, just unplug, and it will appear Jun 10 12:13:04 kwtm: It's basically (logically) unplugging a virtual disk from the desktop, and plugging it into the phone again Jun 10 12:13:16 had a script which backed up the original filemanager on install and replaced it on uninstall Jun 10 12:13:17 kwtm: Bad stuff happens if two boxes try to share disks Jun 10 12:14:01 SpeedEvil: not really. To my belief this way is due to n900 performs some kind of indexing Jun 10 12:14:03 SpeedEvil: Really? I thought it would be like fish:// or smb:// where the N900 allows a controlled write to the disk. Jun 10 12:14:06 mece, would that make it possible to package it up for extras? Jun 10 12:14:53 I.e. n900 has some media indexing daemons, that could be trashed if volume is shared Jun 10 12:14:57 nope, it literally unmounts the fat32 filesystem and then exports it Jun 10 12:15:10 <_abhishek> how to get glx.h on maemo Jun 10 12:15:18 mmarc__: you'd be wrong Jun 10 12:15:28 mmarc__: Ahh... right, the indexing daemons. That makes sense. Jun 10 12:15:30 mmarc__: Mydocs is a VFAT filesystem. Jun 10 12:15:34 i think its called tracker? Jun 10 12:15:37 the indexer Jun 10 12:15:48 mmarc__: With any filesystem, if you mount it from two places at once - bad stuff happens. Jun 10 12:16:01 mmarc__: It is exported not as a list of files - but as a block device. Jun 10 12:16:16 SpeedEvil: I also didn't realize that umounting was not enough, and that the n900 had to be unplugged. Jun 10 12:16:19 not sure, how it called, but I have succesfully corrupted it once. Terrible idea, IMO. Jun 10 12:16:36 *Terrible mechanism. Jun 10 12:16:41 mmarc__: So - if the PC does 'rm foo' - the n900 does not get 'rm foo', but 'write block 45,6996,28485.28895' with this data Jun 10 12:16:59 It then has to remount the filesystem when the PC is finished with it Jun 10 12:17:07 SpeedEvil: and what's about vfat flash card? Jun 10 12:17:12 Just type 'sync' and be done :) Jun 10 12:17:14 same idea Jun 10 12:17:30 Thanks guys! Jun 10 12:17:35 It is just write back cache. Jun 10 12:18:15 It looks like the n900 comes with "PC Suite" software which can be installed on the PC. Does this work on Linux? If not, how do you import contacts from your existing contact list --does it support standard Vcard format? Jun 10 12:18:23 SpeedEvil: oh, yeah, sync makes sense in any case. But there are also additional things on n900 Jun 10 12:18:37 mmarc__: The tracker is _completely_ irrelevant to this. Jun 10 12:19:02 mmarc__: The reason it's unmounted is because you cannot have two computers sharing one block device, and both trying to access its filesystem at once. Jun 10 12:19:14 kwtm: PC suite works only for Windows. IMO, that's terrible shit for kitchen women. Jun 10 12:19:17 mmarc__: Bad stuff - like massive filesystem corruption - happens regularly. Jun 10 12:19:33 s/regularly/everytime one writes a file/ Jun 10 12:19:34 SpeedEvil meant: mmarc__: Bad stuff - like massive filesystem corruption - happens everytime one writes a file. Jun 10 12:19:51 kwtm : gammu/wammu should work on n900 Jun 10 12:20:10 SpeedEvil: ok, got it, simply the restriction is the block volume cannot be shared between >1 active OSes. Jun 10 12:20:15 yes Jun 10 12:20:38 mmarc__: Attempts to get round that are basically horribly complex hacks that will work at best sometimes. Jun 10 12:20:48 bergie, ping? Jun 10 12:20:57 mmarc__ : you can share it IF the second only 1 os mount it in rw mode and others in read only Jun 10 12:21:01 _abhishek: I'm trying to figure out where to get those headers too right now. Jun 10 12:21:14 but you can expect strange things in the read only side Jun 10 12:21:22 if you write something on the rw side Jun 10 12:21:27 bergie, There's some weirdish PHP caching going on with Mediawiki - I'm changing PHP files and nothing is changing. Jun 10 12:21:30 _abhishek: the problem is that some wise people removed libgl-dev from arm packages Jun 10 12:21:49 Can you explain to me how this stuff works? (stepping out for a minute, but later)? Jun 10 12:22:02 dneary: you *may* have to restart the web server, depends on php bytecode cache config Jun 10 12:22:19 <_abhishek> mmarc__: that's really bad well I just got something might help you http://www.unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/projects/maemo/ Jun 10 12:22:22 calendar.exe exited with code -1073741511 Jun 10 12:22:24 bergie, I don't think wiki users would like that Jun 10 12:22:30 Just for a php file edit? Jun 10 12:22:32 dneary : isn't only web browser cache issue? have you tryed to just press f5 to reload? Jun 10 12:22:35 Why do I always get this with the Qt Creator simulator? ;/ Jun 10 12:22:42 Any way to invalidate the cache instead & force a reload? Jun 10 12:22:58 _abhishek: one way I see is to compile libgl-dev from sources for arm, but I need to know how to become su in scratchbox. Jun 10 12:23:01 depends what level the cache is on Jun 10 12:23:04 nextime, Thanks for the suggestion, but no, it's not a web browser cache Jun 10 12:23:19 dneary: if it is PHP bytecode cache you indeed have to restart Apache Jun 10 12:23:23 bergie, When I change message files, for example, the effects are instantaneous Jun 10 12:23:33 <_abhishek> mmarc__: well can you tell me where I will get libgl-dev source Jun 10 12:23:41 But module fines don't change anything Jun 10 12:23:49 dneary: but to be honest I don't know how the wiki is configured Jun 10 12:23:55 Funny thing is, changing LocalSettings did. Jun 10 12:24:07 So some of the PHP is cached, and some isn't Jun 10 12:24:11 _abhishek: apt-get source libgl-dev Jun 10 12:24:20 What configuration files are used to cache byte code? Jun 10 12:24:30 <_abhishek> on scratchbox ? Jun 10 12:24:37 I could just turn it off (and slow things down temporarily) while debugging Jun 10 12:24:47 <_abhishek> and about su I think you can try fakeroot Jun 10 12:24:53 <_abhishek> mmarc__: and about su I think you can try fakeroot Jun 10 12:25:17 _abhishek: yeah, do it under x86 scratchbox mode, and then switch onto arm mode, and compile from there. That's my idea. Jun 10 12:25:43 <_abhishek> mmarc__: hummm will check that thanks Jun 10 12:25:48 This seems to be at fault: $nt = Title::makeTitleSafe( NS_USER, $target ); Jun 10 12:26:12 Thanks for your very essential help, guys. The #n900 channel is dead, and I would be stuck without some of your guidance. (TOok me 7 days to figure out that there was a user guide contained in my n900) Jun 10 12:26:30 :/ Jun 10 12:26:36 Deeply stupid that. Jun 10 12:26:48 It should be in _huge_letters_ on the front of the leaflet in the box Jun 10 12:26:53 * Duckboot didn't know that - User Guide - Bah. Jun 10 12:27:07 Also as a HUGE FLASHING LINK after the 'getting started' video Jun 10 12:27:44 I really HATE such corporate stupidness: WHY THE HELL nokia stuff removed libgl-dev? WHY THE HELL they make me do again the work that was previous done? Is it just to make me use GL|ES? Forcing is bad nature. Jun 10 12:28:40 Having multiple libraries on the device that do the same stuff is bad practice. Jun 10 12:28:47 hrw: Yeah Jun 10 12:28:51 However - this should be clearly signosted in adcance. Jun 10 12:28:55 :/ Jun 10 12:29:11 SpeedEvil: IMO, BS. For example, >4 MPI implementations coexist in different distros. Jun 10 12:29:12 * SpeedEvil tries to predict the top tmo thread. Jun 10 12:29:16 chromium being pulled? Jun 10 12:29:35 mmarc__: On a device with 256M of RAM, it's more important Jun 10 12:29:45 mmarc__: libgl-dev doesn't exist on a N900? :P Jun 10 12:29:54 ie, the chip only supports GLES v1 and v2 Jun 10 12:30:24 Stskeeps: libgl-dev was removed from repos, while libgl ittself exists! Jun 10 12:30:25 in fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a ARM device that does full opengl Jun 10 12:30:32 mmarc__: libgl is only in use on the X86 side Jun 10 12:30:35 Stskeeps: they both were there previously Jun 10 12:30:55 mmarc__: That doesn't make it right ;) Jun 10 12:31:29 mmarc__: on x86 you use your own graphics card's GL, on device your use SGX gles. Jun 10 12:31:33 Stskeeps: [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/mesa-7.1~RC3-0maemo1] > apt-cache search libgl Jun 10 12:31:35 libgl1 - GL library using AIGLX Jun 10 12:31:37 Stskeeps: so, it's there, for arm Jun 10 12:31:56 that's just mesa compiled for arm, which is software rendering Jun 10 12:32:10 Stskeeps: true, and it's what I need! Jun 10 12:32:20 I don't need ES at this point Jun 10 12:32:39 then install the lib yourself, it doesn't make sense out of the box / in a ssu repo Jun 10 12:32:40 But some stupid assh**es removed mesa Jun 10 12:33:02 i would rather say it was sane, as who'd want to use sw rendering? :P Jun 10 12:33:56 Stskeeps: software rendering makes sense for testing. I'd likely see the working ported softwere FISRT, and then consider optimozattions. Isn't that the good way? Jun 10 12:34:12 mmarc__: Testing on device? Jun 10 12:34:23 X-Fade: yes Jun 10 12:42:35 why is everything so quiet today? Jun 10 12:42:52 hello ppl Jun 10 12:43:11 Jaffa: bug 8369 - can I help more? Jun 10 12:43:13 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 "Something went wrong" error when browser switchboard is installed Jun 10 12:43:33 dneary: the config should be in /etc/php/conf.d/apc.ini Jun 10 12:44:21 OK, thanks Jun 10 12:44:39 Just so I get this out there, the My Nokia button in settings just crashes.... Jun 10 12:45:18 TigerTael: Crashes, in what manner? Jun 10 12:45:59 Hold on, let me try it now Jun 10 12:46:49 You click My Nokia, it brings up a page for about a second and then closes, Internal Error, Application "settings" closed. Jun 10 12:47:10 I did a fresh flash btw... Jun 10 12:47:23 Fun. Jun 10 12:47:27 My nokia has problems. Jun 10 12:47:29 I didn't even know what 'My Nokia' was... and still don't. :P Jun 10 12:47:52 It may be the fact that my simcard does not know my cellphone number. Jun 10 12:48:00 Or something else. Jun 10 12:49:19 can a maemo package install an older version of a library for itself? Jun 10 12:49:20 hrw: There must be other apps which open web pages. Do they have problems? e.g. a "Donate" button in gPodder's About dialogue? Jun 10 12:49:24 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 Jun 10 12:49:26 Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user Jun 10 12:49:27 for example Jun 10 12:49:31 and make it shared Jun 10 12:50:06 need older libsdl-ttf for angband Jun 10 12:50:33 dpmg for me Jun 10 12:50:58 SpeedEvil, yeah, i read about the SMS thing... and I never knew what My Nokia was until i saw it now. Jun 10 12:51:06 Mine still just crashes straight away. :P Jun 10 12:51:31 Jaffa: witter works fine Jun 10 12:51:39 What does this command do? cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd0 Jun 10 12:51:59 th3hate, doesn't look safe :) Jun 10 12:52:10 agreed. Jun 10 12:52:15 Crashes with, or without costing you money. Jun 10 12:52:25 th3hate: probably irrecoverably bricks your device. Jun 10 12:52:32 th3hate: try it, and let us know. Jun 10 12:53:01 Well someone told me to try it, so i thought its better to ask for i do Jun 10 12:53:10 Jaffa: 'donate' button in currency converter also works Jun 10 12:53:12 before* Jun 10 12:53:21 So I guess I should be happy that 'My Nokia' just crashes and burns for me. :P Jun 10 12:53:44 SpeedEvil, I don't think it's costing me money... although I should check. Jun 10 12:53:57 th3hate: From where? Jun 10 12:54:50 Hey Jun 10 12:54:55 Okay, i just tried it again and it didn't use any money. Let me reboot and try again. Jun 10 12:55:01 when playing music pulseaudio and mafw-dbus-something , eat the 40% of the cpu Jun 10 12:55:03 this is normal ? Jun 10 12:55:15 SpeedEvil: I heard to formats the device Jun 10 12:55:19 the funny thing is it didn't ask me to sign up for MyNokia, and I was able to back out when I clicked on it from settings... Jun 10 12:55:26 (I flashed to PR1.2) Jun 10 12:55:30 Guys, question: Have someone got ettercap and aircrack-ng working on N900? Jun 10 12:55:45 th3hate: not strictly accurate Jun 10 12:55:59 lol, my N900 doesn't want to turn on now. Jun 10 12:56:00 SpeedEvil: what is it for then? Jun 10 12:56:13 th3hate: It wipes only the bootloader partition. So all your data is still there - it just won't boot without the attention of nokia wiwht a special programming adaptor. Jun 10 12:56:21 bergie, Nothing there Jun 10 12:56:45 bergie, Anywhere else I might find it? /etc/apache2/modules.enables/mediawiki maybe? Jun 10 12:56:46 Okay, I had to take the battery out and in to turn on my phone. Jun 10 12:56:52 hello Jun 10 12:57:01 _abhishek: I've successfully compiled libgl-dev for armel. Can't promise you good performance, but at least OpenGL-based apps (without ES!) could be compiled for maemo using the following stuff: freeglut3, freeglut3-dev, libgl1 and libgl-dev Jun 10 12:57:12 dneary: maybe regular php.ini Jun 10 12:57:15 or conf.d/mediawiki.conf Jun 10 12:58:38 is there a way to completely mute the audio, so that flash videos don't play sound while in silent mode? Jun 10 12:58:40 $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_MEMCACHED; Jun 10 12:58:42 hrw: Thanks. I'll have a look at witter Jun 10 12:58:58 Holy crap, now all of a sudden after weeks and weeks, the My Nokia thing isn't crashing. Jun 10 12:58:59 mmarc__: how you solved problem with non existing primitives? Jun 10 12:59:32 There doesn't appear to be any APC Jun 10 12:59:39 So now, the My Nokia app doesn't crash... but I can't click anything either. Jun 10 13:00:16 Wait, this may be related to regional settings... Jun 10 13:00:34 Because it changed my region to United Kingdom. Jun 10 13:00:39 Changed it and rebooting again. Jun 10 13:00:50 <_abhishek> mmarc__: well I am trying to get the source but not able to download apt-get source libgl-dev won't work Jun 10 13:01:12 Jun 10 13:01:14 jacekowski: don't know, they probably are not used, best thing is to check the app. Why when I execute it from X Terminal it says permission denied? Jun 10 13:01:36 there is a my nokia app? isn't it just a web link? Jun 10 13:01:42 Okay, it's definitely region related. Jun 10 13:01:52 _abhishek: check repos are turned on, and then do apt-get update Jun 10 13:01:53 loufoque_maemo, it's a section in the settings app actually. Jun 10 13:02:10 If I change my region to 'South Africa', reboot, start My Nokia, it just crashes. Jun 10 13:02:40 Thankfully, no money lost. :D Jun 10 13:03:12 mmarc__: thing is that if it will send non existing primitives to graphic chip Jun 10 13:03:16 mmarc__: shit will happen Jun 10 13:03:41 TigerTael: Nokia isn't sponsoring the 2010 world cup, so no support for SA this year. Jun 10 13:03:43 jacekowski: that's logical! But do you know how to run the app? Jun 10 13:03:59 hrw: Can you try, in X Terminal (or over SSH), as user: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"http:/www.google.com/" Jun 10 13:04:00 chmod it Jun 10 13:04:06 chmod 755 app Jun 10 13:04:09 and then ./app Jun 10 13:04:10 <_abhishek> mmarc__: yeah doing the same Jun 10 13:04:10 crashanddie, haha. Jun 10 13:04:49 bergie, Do you know how to invalidate a memcached cache? Jun 10 13:04:53 It appears to be that Jun 10 13:05:08 dneary: Just restart memcached Jun 10 13:05:26 _abhishek: wait for it to be imported Jun 10 13:05:46 _abhishek: and i think you can't get sources of libgl-dev Jun 10 13:05:50 jacekowski: sure, I've done chmod +x, but access is still denied, and I wonder what does it mean... Jun 10 13:05:54 _abhishek: it would have to be just libgl Jun 10 13:06:05 I think I'd better get a hold of Niels Jun 10 13:06:11 Ah - there he is :) Jun 10 13:06:18 X-Fade, Didn't do the job Jun 10 13:06:22 <_abhishek> jacekowski: yeah thanks Jun 10 13:06:27 _abhishek: are you getting the source from x86 freemantle, not from arm? Jun 10 13:06:38 Jaffa: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.osso_browser was not provided by any .service files Jun 10 13:06:51 X-Fade, When I've been making small changes to php files in /usr/share/mediawiki/includes, they have not been taking effect Jun 10 13:06:53 <_abhishek> mmarc__: I am doing it on x86 Jun 10 13:06:57 _abhishek: the trick is to get source from x86 and compile from arm Jun 10 13:07:07 dneary: restart apache Jun 10 13:07:18 hrw: And what about: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /com/nokia/osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.open_new_window string:"http:/www.google.com/" Jun 10 13:07:21 X-Fade: what are you using for caching? Jun 10 13:07:23 Changes to LocalSettings, or in messages (a test - superficial change), went through straight away - I just needed to reload Jun 10 13:07:32 But for stuff in includes, no Jun 10 13:07:33 <_abhishek> mmarc__: is it apt-get source libgl1 ? Jun 10 13:07:37 probably apc with stat=off ? Jun 10 13:08:01 that's evil Jun 10 13:08:18 Changes happen once every few months. Jun 10 13:08:22 Saves a lot ;) Jun 10 13:08:23 X-Fade, where's apc? Jun 10 13:08:25 _abhishek: ok, then check you have the similar list of /etc/apt/sources.list: http://pastebin.com/9ELHvBxL Jun 10 13:08:43 dneary: It is a php cache. Jun 10 13:08:46 _abhishek: no-no-no, libgl1-dev Jun 10 13:09:00 X-Fade, There's no /etc/php/conf.d/apc Jun 10 13:09:02 X-Fade: so you get like 100% hitrate? Jun 10 13:09:04 Jaffa: nothing Jun 10 13:09:12 _abhishek: there is libgl1 binaries for arm already, they've just wasted headers... Jun 10 13:09:21 hrw: doesn't error, but doesn't open the browser either? Jun 10 13:09:49 Jaffa: exactly Jun 10 13:09:57 <_abhishek> mmarc__: ok thanks Jun 10 13:10:04 MDBUS2> com.nokia.osso_browser /com/nokia/osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.open_new_window Jun 10 13:10:07 [ERR]: Unknown object path /com/nokia/osso_browser for com.nokia.osso_browser Jun 10 13:10:15 Jaffa, isnt there something about being as root - are you testing as regular user Jun 10 13:10:16 I haven't had lunch yet Jun 10 13:10:17 bbiaw Jun 10 13:10:54 <_abhishek> mmarc__: can you send me you sources.list Jun 10 13:11:04 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"URL" Jun 10 13:11:05 lcuk: I'm testing as a regular user. Jun 10 13:11:13 _abhishek: http://pastebin.com/9ELHvBxL Jun 10 13:11:15 ok jaffa just making sure Jun 10 13:11:26 <_abhishek> when I do apt-get source libgl1-dev it says E: Unable to find a source package for libgl1-dev Jun 10 13:11:27 * lcuk gets similar oddities Jun 10 13:11:28 MohammadAG51: That doesn't work with Browser Switchboard: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 Jun 10 13:11:29 Bug 8369: "Something went wrong" error when browser switchboard is installed Jun 10 13:11:54 Jaffa, oh, solved that yesterday Jun 10 13:11:55 _abhishek: import repos from my list and then do a apt-get update Jun 10 13:11:59 hermes right? Jun 10 13:12:09 MohammadAG51: Yeah Jun 10 13:12:18 I don't have browser switchboard installed though Jun 10 13:12:24 <_abhishek> mmarc__: yeah thanks Jun 10 13:12:25 it tries to create /dev/null Jun 10 13:12:32 and gets permission denied Jun 10 13:12:36 MohammadAG51: What does? Jun 10 13:12:49 running as root, authenticating, then rerunning as user solves it Jun 10 13:12:52 Jaffa, hermes Jun 10 13:12:54 Oh ffs, why does google put a full screen background image on their search frontpage. How can I turn that off ;) Jun 10 13:13:00 it says /dev/null: permission denied Jun 10 13:13:10 MohammadAG51: When? Jun 10 13:13:24 when it tries to open facebook Jun 10 13:13:28 hmm Jun 10 13:13:33 when it send the auth key Jun 10 13:13:42 after that Jun 10 13:13:54 X-Fade: igoogle? Jun 10 13:14:18 X-Fade, did you get my earlier request? :) Jun 10 13:14:19 <_abhishek> mmarc__: W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' Jun 10 13:14:23 X-Fade, after you have finished advertising for them Jun 10 13:14:31 <_abhishek> mmarc__: while doing apt-get update Jun 10 13:14:36 it goes away after you told 10 people about it Jun 10 13:14:48 MohammadAG51: no Jun 10 13:14:49 MohammadAG51: OK. Then it (python-facebook) does webbrowser.open() which uses the command in gconf to launch a browser. The problem is the one which works with the default browser doesn't work with the DBUS interface provided by Browser Switchboard Jun 10 13:15:21 Jaffa, but i don't have browser s. :) Jun 10 13:15:49 MohammadAG51: What do you think you solved? What do you mean by "solved"? How did you solve it? Jun 10 13:15:56 X-Fade: did you import the hoopsfrenzy stuff, was that an automation accident, or was it a user upload/promotion ? Jun 10 13:16:03 X-Fade, the USBcontrol package is useless, and it caused a lot of speculation, can you take it out of fremantle's repo? Jun 10 13:16:05 MohammadAG51: The dbus-send command you pasted is the same one as in hermes.postinst, so it should have been using it already Jun 10 13:16:13 _abhishek: that's a warning, not an error Jun 10 13:16:19 _abhishek: I have it too Jun 10 13:16:22 Jaffa, i ran it as root, authenticated, then ran it as user Jun 10 13:16:28 achipa: I think it was not cleaned properly and got reimported. Jun 10 13:16:47 MohammadAG51: But apart from seeing /dev/null, permission denied what was the problem running it as user? Jun 10 13:17:03 nothing Jun 10 13:17:13 it just said something went wrong Jun 10 13:17:25 So there *was* a problem? Jun 10 13:17:29 Jaffa, how do I clear authentication? Jun 10 13:17:47 MohammadAG51: You use 0.8.0 in Extras-devel, or delete some gconf keys in 0.2.x Jun 10 13:17:50 yes Jun 10 13:18:05 i'm upgrading it right now Jun 10 13:18:10 MohammadAG51: killing Jun 10 13:19:17 thanks X-Fade Jun 10 13:19:18 hrw: can you use mdbus2 to monitor what DBus stuff happens when you click on a link in witter? Jun 10 13:19:37 Jaffa, no problems with the new version Jun 10 13:20:09 MohammadAG51: Cool Jun 10 13:20:34 Jaffa, only difference on my side is a reboot from yesterday Jun 10 13:21:22 X-Fade: ok, can you re-remove it ? Jun 10 13:21:38 achipa: done Jun 10 13:21:45 <_abhishek> mmarc__: but still fakeroot apt-get source libgl1-dev Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Unable to find a source package for libgl1-dev Jun 10 13:21:47 Jaffa: moment Jun 10 13:21:54 hrw: thanks Jun 10 13:22:16 <_abhishek> mmarc__: can you send me libgl1-dev source package on mail ? Jun 10 13:22:38 _abhishek: what apt-cache search libgl shows? Jun 10 13:22:49 "apt-cache search libgl" Jun 10 13:23:00 X-Fade: thanks. Are you OK with the rest of the points in my email regarding QA stuff ? Jun 10 13:23:17 achipa: Will reply to that. Jun 10 13:23:24 X-Fade: ok Jun 10 13:23:28 <_abhishek> mmarc__: http://pastebin.com/rWXBu0X7 Jun 10 13:23:32 achipa: But generally, yes. Jun 10 13:24:12 _abhishek: so, that's it here: libgl-dev - GL library development files Jun 10 13:24:17 without 1 Jun 10 13:25:05 method call sender=:1.225 -> dest=com.nokia.osso_browser serial=53 path=/com/nokia/osso_browser; interface=com.nokia.osso_browser; member=open_new_window string "http://bit.ly/bNhqWQ" Jun 10 13:25:07 <_abhishek> mmarc__: mesa_7.1~RC3-0maemo1-recomp1.tar.gz ? Jun 10 13:25:10 method return sender=:1.99 -> dest=:1.225 reply_serial=53 Jun 10 13:25:22 _abhishek: no Jun 10 13:25:33 step into folder mesa-... Jun 10 13:25:37 Jaffa: thats what dbus-monitor --session --monitor said Jun 10 13:25:50 <_abhishek> mmarc__: ok Jun 10 13:25:50 Jaffa: mdbus2 listening code needs work Jun 10 13:26:03 hrw: fair enough. So WTF doesn't that work from dbus-send? Jun 10 13:26:06 cd mesa-7.1~RC3-0maemo1/ Jun 10 13:26:11 dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc Jun 10 13:26:29 pardon, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc Jun 10 13:26:33 <_abhishek> mmarc__: wait well one more thing where its download the source package Jun 10 13:27:54 mmarc__, Jun 10 13:28:01 why are you building mesa Jun 10 13:28:03 ? Jun 10 13:28:24 MohammadAG51: there are no dev headers on arm Jun 10 13:28:32 someone removed them Jun 10 13:28:54 does mesa even work on the PowerVGX Jun 10 13:28:59 or whatever it's called Jun 10 13:29:56 he wants to run OpenGL (non-ES) with software rendering on device, for testing i believe Jun 10 13:31:26 MohammadAG51: I've compiled my opengl stuff on ARM (not on X86) under scratchbox, and it could be executed on xephyr. Quiet slow, but it runs well. Jun 10 13:32:27 <_abhishek> mmarc__: compiling thanks :) Jun 10 13:32:34 MohammadAG51: the problem is that exactly same executable on n900 says "permission denied". Is nokia detecting OpenGL apps and preventing them from running? ;) Seriously, I really wonder why is it happenning. Whatever error could be, but not this one. Jun 10 13:32:49 chmod +x... Jun 10 13:33:00 MohammadAG51: That is because home is mounded noexec. Jun 10 13:33:08 MohammadAG51: I did it 1000+ times. It's something else... Jun 10 13:33:13 Damn, what is whith my typing today ;) Jun 10 13:33:15 you can strace the start of that call Jun 10 13:33:19 see X-Fade's comment Jun 10 13:33:36 X-Fade, check the nick before you hit enter :P Jun 10 13:33:41 mmarc__: Copy the file somewhere else ;) Jun 10 13:33:43 MohammadAG51: wait a minute, noexec? I.e. chmod +x would have no effect? Jun 10 13:33:46 home can be executed from Jun 10 13:33:49 MyDocs can't Jun 10 13:33:55 what arm platform did you run this on before? Jun 10 13:33:56 in MyDocs, no Jun 10 13:34:11 MohammadAG51: aha, let me try: Jun 10 13:34:40 its fat32, so you can't set permissions at all Jun 10 13:34:54 sure sure, my fault Jun 10 13:34:59 the filesystem doesn't support them Jun 10 13:35:09 hows it going now Jun 10 13:37:47 did N900 meego hardware adaptation meeting already happen today? Jun 10 13:38:52 yes at about 530am Jun 10 13:40:14 MohammadAG51: thanks agian for the hint, placement outside of MyDocs makes sense... Jun 10 13:40:32 mohammadag Jun 10 13:40:35 errm Jun 10 13:41:10 flailingmonkey: minutes are published to mailing list Jun 10 13:41:38 US east coast is in a bad timezone for those meetings :( Jun 10 13:42:00 X-Fade, Jun 10 13:42:06 Back Jun 10 13:42:16 1 am wednesdays, i believe Jun 10 13:42:37 Mece, ? Jun 10 13:43:01 lcuk, what timezone? Jun 10 13:43:28 MohammadAG51, that was metaphorical Jun 10 13:43:35 "early" is the best guess Jun 10 13:43:39 even for europeans Jun 10 13:43:41 riiight Jun 10 13:43:54 so what timezone again? Jun 10 13:43:54 7am uk time Jun 10 13:43:57 :P Jun 10 13:44:07 oh, 5AM my time Jun 10 13:44:14 err Jun 10 13:44:17 9 Jun 10 13:44:20 lol Jun 10 13:44:46 as i said :P early Jun 10 13:44:59 0600@UTC Jun 10 13:45:28 meh Jun 10 13:45:33 <_abhishek> mmarc__: wow its compiled installed thanks a lot man :) Jun 10 13:45:33 i could've lurked Jun 10 13:45:37 so 2am for me actually Jun 10 13:45:57 X-Fade, thanks, it's down (usbcontrol) Jun 10 13:46:05 _abhishek: welcome, I just learned this today too :) Jun 10 13:46:13 <_abhishek> mmarc__: :) Jun 10 13:46:42 _abhishek: do not forget to bring both freeglut3 and libgl1 on device too, if you are going to test on device Jun 10 13:46:59 _abhishek: and to place apps outside MyDocs Jun 10 13:46:59 Stskeeps, would it be an idea to try alternative times to see if others want to be involved Jun 10 13:47:18 <_abhishek> mmarc__: yeah sure thanks Jun 10 13:47:34 lcuk: dunno, it has to be in 9-17 finnish time ideally Jun 10 13:48:15 sure but as you see flailingmonkey had an interest and i'd lke to see more of the discussion rather than reading scrollback Jun 10 13:48:20 Screw the Finns Jun 10 13:48:35 GAN900: when 90% of the team is in finland, it's hard to Jun 10 13:48:36 They so rarely attend meetings anymore anyway. :P Jun 10 13:48:37 * lcuk hits GAN900 on the head Jun 10 13:48:56 GAN900: are you from some other nordic country? Jun 10 13:49:00 Stskeeps, you just gave a big wide time swath that could be acceptible Jun 10 13:49:01 <_abhishek> mmarc__: well I got freeglut3-dev.deb for arml but not installing Jun 10 13:49:12 i speak to finns all day Jun 10 13:49:25 _abhishek: are you installing with dpkg -i ? Jun 10 13:49:43 <_abhishek> mmarc__: yes Jun 10 13:49:58 I've found it very annoying that swedes, norwegians and danes have to have a meeting about everything. An hour meeting seems to be mandatory even the matter could be solved in the phone in 5 minutes or by few emails. Jun 10 13:50:12 Scelt, openness Jun 10 13:50:23 _abhishek: use dpkg, since apt-get will fail due some stupid dependencies. IMO, this is totally stupid that dev (!) package has dependencies :) Jun 10 13:50:29 lcuk: timewasting Jun 10 13:50:34 an hour long coordination meeting in the open is better than a 5 minute private phonecall Jun 10 13:50:45 it seems that later in the finnish work day would be better, but I understand the difficulties of coordinating global meetings Jun 10 13:50:51 lcuk: sometimes it's better to just fix the problem Jun 10 13:50:55 lcuk: and then talk about it Jun 10 13:50:57 lcuk: it still annoys me Jun 10 13:51:14 I'm a Finn. I like to drink, not to chat Jun 10 13:51:24 sure jacekowski and that happens but sometimes planning and organising requires collaboration Jun 10 13:51:27 and coordination Jun 10 13:51:29 Scelt, our views about this seem to differ. i suggest a meeting for further discussion Jun 10 13:51:47 visz: You need to come to a compromise that Scelt can live with. Jun 10 13:51:53 Scelt, let it annoy you, but Stskeeps and the qt people and a lot of the meego work is open and accessible to all (timezones not withstanding)_ Jun 10 13:51:55 visz: I suggest a meeting with lots of drink. Jun 10 13:52:00 =) Jun 10 13:52:24 * RST38h moos at lcook Jun 10 13:52:41 * lcuk cooks a trout for rstr Jun 10 13:52:44 * lcuk cooks a trout for RST38h Jun 10 13:52:51 perhaps I'll add detailed stuff to the agenda, if there are things I'd like discussed but can't attend Jun 10 13:53:05 obviously it would have to explain the question well Jun 10 13:53:39 flailingmonkey, when things are on the agenda, the meetings like to have a representative to champion it Jun 10 13:53:42 in the meeting itself Jun 10 13:53:52 otherwise people wtf at the first point and dont get past it Jun 10 13:54:05 yeah, i understand Jun 10 13:54:08 visz: I'm very relieved that I can answer you no. There was a time when a norwegian boss told me to and I had to obey Jun 10 13:54:44 did someone here try easy debian? did the sound work out for you in the latest image? I can't seem to find any info about it, which makes me wonder if it is only me.. Jun 10 13:55:39 _abhishek: with dpkg -i -f freeglut should install anyway, but it will still complain about missing dependencies. Currently I dont have better solution, but this one works. Jun 10 13:56:01 lcuk: ye, I just let my thinkings out loud. I agree to disagree Jun 10 13:56:51 Scelt, disagree all you like,but openness requires more open coordination even if that requires more work Jun 10 13:57:17 and Stskeeps is doing a great job at it Jun 10 13:57:35 lcuk: sure. I didn't talk about maemo, meego or anything. I was just talking about annoying scandinavian habbits Jun 10 13:57:49 anybody compiled midnight commander for maemo? Jun 10 13:57:56 any issues with it? Jun 10 13:58:06 or simply compiles from source? Jun 10 13:58:10 <_abhishek> mmarc__: thanks Jun 10 13:58:14 mmarc__: it's in Extras :) Jun 10 14:03:30 achipa: great news! thanks Jun 10 14:04:32 Scelt, i think we should take up SpeedEvil's suggestion of a meetign to clarify your objectives Jun 10 14:05:12 YAY! My OpenGL sample executes on device, one thing: the keyboard is not working Jun 10 14:06:13 X-Fade: that hoops thing is really stubborn - it's back again :) Jun 10 14:06:40 a keyboard focus issue? Jun 10 14:07:29 flailingmonkey: sorry, I don't know. Original OpenGL apps were using straight keyboard callbacks Jun 10 14:07:32 lcuk: I think it was visz Jun 10 14:07:32 mmarc__, sure if you arent using gtk or qt the keyboard focusing doesnt hold Jun 10 14:07:41 Scelt, sure but you can come too Jun 10 14:08:01 flailingmonkey: hmm, but yes, the symbols I'm typing are echoed on the underlying X terminal I'm starting from Jun 10 14:08:12 flailingmonkey: and no gtk, no qt Jun 10 14:08:25 Scelt, otherwise the meeting wouldn't represent all view points Jun 10 14:08:43 :-p Jun 10 14:08:44 flailingmonkey: you mean I need some extra circuit to get keyboard focus in my app? Jun 10 14:09:13 lcuk: ;NO! I've flown too many times for no real reason. It has to end Jun 10 14:09:27 hi, how i can disable the software updater on maemo5 ? Jun 10 14:10:25 rlinfati, I suppose you could go into app manager and disable every repository Jun 10 14:10:44 you can change the update interval Jun 10 14:10:44 i don't know what controls the schedule of update checks though Jun 10 14:11:21 OMG, why so black font in mc?? Jun 10 14:11:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo Jun 10 14:11:35 are you going to hurt your eyes?.. Jun 10 14:11:37 at Disabling Auto Updates Check Jun 10 14:12:07 ah, the black font is for hidden files Jun 10 14:12:40 jaska, thanks !! Jun 10 14:23:14 achipa: Ah crap, nice bug. Jun 10 14:23:22 ? Jun 10 14:23:37 Zoutube broke grrr Jun 10 14:37:23 is the zoutube download function broken for anyone? Jun 10 14:37:45 yes, hasn't worked for days Jun 10 14:38:50 which version? Jun 10 14:38:57 the one in extras-devel or extras? Jun 10 14:39:31 well Jun 10 14:39:35 the extras one is just borked Jun 10 14:39:46 the -devel one can't download Jun 10 14:40:01 will fix the download and push another one into -devel today Jun 10 14:41:28 zaheerm, oh you're the dev? Jun 10 14:42:03 tried to download zoutube yesterday, it's broken for me too Jun 10 14:42:03 yes Jun 10 14:43:21 cutributeError: YoutubeWithMediaPlayer instance has no attribute 'current_format' Jun 10 14:43:25 err Jun 10 14:43:29 AttirbuteError* Jun 10 14:43:38 missed the first two letters Jun 10 14:43:51 MohammadAG51, thx you saw that on console when doing what? Jun 10 14:44:02 yeah Jun 10 14:44:43 zaheerm, as a quick fix, what are these variables Jun 10 14:44:46 http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=%s&t=%s Jun 10 14:45:00 %s is the video 'ID' right Jun 10 14:45:24 what line number do you see that error? Jun 10 14:45:53 667? Jun 10 14:46:15 MohammadAG51, k found the bug, fixing now and packaging it up Jun 10 14:46:42 667 Jun 10 14:46:49 yeah Jun 10 14:46:59 cool, thanks :) Jun 10 14:47:41 zaheerm, 15 minutes till the importer runs Jun 10 14:47:53 :) Jun 10 14:48:50 MohammadAG51, well building local package first Jun 10 14:50:03 zaheerm, I'm just saying, you have ten mins to upload if you want it there asap :P Jun 10 14:51:06 MohammadAG51, lol pushed it to autobuilder Jun 10 14:52:27 zaheerm, cool, then it should be there at :5 Jun 10 14:52:50 Mece: pong Jun 10 14:53:27 MohammadAG51, ok it was successful in autobuilder Jun 10 14:53:44 well, it's a python app :P Jun 10 14:54:26 frals, I forget what I pinged you about :P Jun 10 14:54:43 Is there a way to check if the vibrator is dead? like a terminal command Jun 10 14:54:51 healthcheck Jun 10 14:55:01 is good for checking everything Jun 10 14:55:17 my syncing to google has been screwed up since around the time of the last OS upgrade Jun 10 14:55:35 th3hate, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS Jun 10 14:55:38 i think Jun 10 14:55:39 Maybe something like: # ls /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/ ? Jun 10 14:56:13 Appiah: turn on touchscreen vibration Jun 10 14:56:25 chem|st: ? Jun 10 14:56:30 it's very rare for the whole vibration controller to break Jun 10 14:56:46 Appiah, he pinged the wrong guy :P Jun 10 14:56:56 oh Jun 10 14:56:56 Appiah: settings > display >touch screen vibration Jun 10 14:56:58 * Appiah is slow Jun 10 14:57:12 Appiah: no its me sry Jun 10 14:57:13 chem|st, he never asked for it lol Jun 10 14:57:15 ;) Jun 10 14:57:27 * MohammadAG51 slaps crashanddie Jun 10 14:57:30 MohammadAG51: jeah overread it... was the guy above Jun 10 14:57:45 th3hate: read it? Jun 10 14:57:59 Still stuch Jun 10 14:58:14 I've added a bunch of wfDebugs in there now, and nothing gives Jun 10 14:58:33 X-Fade, When you do this kind of thing, how do you do the debugging? Jun 10 14:59:08 MohammadAG51, yes makes it a quick build too :) Jun 10 14:59:57 chem|st: Vibrator only vibrator stops working after 10 mins of uptime, but works first 10 mins Jun 10 15:00:03 what do you think the problem is? Jun 10 15:01:36 zaheerm, did the old app use the DSP? Jun 10 15:02:09 the old version allowed videos in the background Jun 10 15:02:11 MohammadAG51, yes for h264 decoding Jun 10 15:02:36 zaheerm, oh, so why did you switch to the media player? Jun 10 15:02:42 correct, it allowed videos in background...now i shifted responsibility to the media player Jun 10 15:03:05 MohammadAG51, because its video widget is better Jun 10 15:03:26 How is there no themes in extras repositories now? Just the an-DROID theme? Jun 10 15:03:33 and i haven't had time to improve the one in zoutube much, so until i do i will leave it to media player Jun 10 15:03:36 No other ones? Is it really this slow development in themes? Jun 10 15:03:58 DrGrov: people don't test themes, it seems Jun 10 15:04:35 I don't Jun 10 15:04:49 Stskeeps: yes it does seem like that. there seems to be many themes in the devel repositories Jun 10 15:04:59 is carbon in testing? awesome theme! Jun 10 15:05:01 MohammadAG51: the motor breaking is not uncommon Jun 10 15:05:14 Themes are generally considered "safe" to install without any major complications? Jun 10 15:05:47 yes Jun 10 15:05:50 DrGrov, there are no guarantees with devel stuff though. Jun 10 15:05:59 though in some cases themes can mean you can't see hte screen Jun 10 15:06:05 so to be safe - stick with extras Jun 10 15:07:09 Mece: ok, so better to stay away then? Jun 10 15:07:22 SpeedEvil: ah, then it is definitely that I stay away LOL Jun 10 15:07:45 the problem with devel and testing at least for me is that once i see all the stuff available I want to try it out :) Jun 10 15:07:50 drgrov, wouldn't say that. it could be a good idea to check tmo for comments on said theme before installing. Jun 10 15:08:17 Mece: yes, I will try them if comments are positive. There is the beautiful Nuvofre theme I would love to test. Jun 10 15:08:26 Are all themes in testing/devel optified yet? I would not assume that Jun 10 15:08:44 tachikoma, no idea. Jun 10 15:08:44 DrGrov: where do you know from how the theme looks like? Jun 10 15:08:52 Tachikoma: It's not unreasonable to do so - also - look at the app page - to see if there are any 'this app ate my kitten' reports. Jun 10 15:08:57 And any thumbs-down Jun 10 15:09:00 tachikoma, announce thread on tmo Jun 10 15:09:07 Tachikoma: i have seen screenshots Jun 10 15:09:15 Mece: I just relized the nokia shipped themes are eating up quite some spae on / - so i would not be surprised if others do that as well Jun 10 15:09:17 http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ Jun 10 15:09:29 For example. Jun 10 15:09:39 The top item on that list has karma 15 - rapier. Jun 10 15:09:40 DrGrov: yes - where - i always look for screenshots - already started to make my own so i can better compare Jun 10 15:09:56 That may mean that 15 more people voted it up than voted it down Jun 10 15:09:57 thanks speedevil, I was just about to ask for a link to the queue Jun 10 15:09:59 * ZogG is back (gone 106:29:48) Jun 10 15:10:01 Tachikoma: ok, let me find it for you Jun 10 15:10:05 so it's probably safe to install. Jun 10 15:10:34 Tachikoma: http://www.mobile-geeks.com/2010/02/09/maemo-theme-nuvofre-theme-for-nokia-n900/ Jun 10 15:10:35 Then you click on the version page - http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/rapier/1.0.5-3/ Jun 10 15:10:44 DrGrov: thanks, bookmarked Jun 10 15:11:05 This Nuvofre theme is something that definitely should get into extras hopefully fast as possible Jun 10 15:11:21 zaheerm, looks like it got imported - checking Jun 10 15:11:26 And you see that the GUI probably isn't very pretty - and it sticks a hundred k in / - but nobody making any 'broke my device' comments Jun 10 15:11:34 MohammadAG51, thx Jun 10 15:11:44 (this of course doesn't mean it won't break your device) Jun 10 15:12:20 Tachikoma: you are welcome Jun 10 15:13:00 SpeedEvil: what do you mean? I have a script to install from testing and extras that does basically record disk space, powertop oputput and some other things, then installs a package and then recoords the values again - then some awk/diff and i usually have a pretty good impression about the optification and so on Jun 10 15:13:33 Tachikoma: that would be a good thing to polish a little, and share. Jun 10 15:14:06 SpeedEvil: i believe so, I was a bit active in the beginnig of the Qa discussion but soon got bored Jun 10 15:14:09 you know about sync? Jun 10 15:14:33 Even just jam it up on http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist Jun 10 15:14:43 as a link saying 'work in progress, please fix' Jun 10 15:15:16 right now i don;t have it, i reflashed when 1.2 came out to factory state, no backups - but will redo that soon Jun 10 15:16:00 And my personal experience with testing and devel is that there are only very few really broken packages. Jun 10 15:16:23 it's more issues like wronf screen resolution and such things Jun 10 15:16:24 Tachikoma, devel is straight from autobuilder so definitely will be quite a few broken ones! Jun 10 15:16:34 zaheerm: i di only hit a few yet Jun 10 15:16:45 but also installed only based on my needs, so mostly games ;) Jun 10 15:16:46 hey nice. I have 214 more karma than last time I checked :D Jun 10 15:16:53 zaheerm, yep, you fixed it, thanks :) Jun 10 15:17:06 zaheerm, why don't you push it into extras-testing? Jun 10 15:17:14 the one in extras is borked Jun 10 15:17:31 MohammadAG51, yah will do Jun 10 15:17:31 but with the whole meego/harmattan stuff going on I do not actively ork on anything related to n900 at the moment Jun 10 15:17:40 Mine too. Jun 10 15:17:54 I don;t even know anymore what the current devel system is, i assume that scratchbox got replaced? Jun 10 15:17:55 Worst thing I've seen with extras-devel is apps that can't be exited Jun 10 15:18:06 SpeedEvil: ssh into the box Jun 10 15:18:23 Tachikoma: or power-button/camera button to get to a menu Jun 10 15:18:27 and then ctrl/backspace goes to taskmanager screen where i can kill Jun 10 15:18:52 camera is probably more reliable - ctrl-backspace doesn't work sometimes for me Jun 10 15:18:53 dunno why Jun 10 15:19:15 what annoys much more are the non adopted apps that assume that every keyboard in the world has an up, down, left and right key :) Jun 10 15:19:32 Jaffa: I updated bug 8369 Jun 10 15:19:33 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 "Something went wrong" error when browser switchboard is installed Jun 10 15:19:36 well - the german keyboard layout does not really have an own button for each of these directions ... Jun 10 15:19:36 tachikoma, well, to be fair, it's not that bad assumption :) Jun 10 15:20:00 there the up and down key is shift combined with the left and right key ... Jun 10 15:20:15 A bit more requirements might be nice. Jun 10 15:20:16 flux: i'm not really complaining here ;) Jun 10 15:20:32 (grumble grumble, would one extra row of keys have killed them..) Jun 10 15:20:45 'Your app if it's a statusbar widget, or may be invisible to the user when running must appear in settings' Jun 10 15:20:48 as long as i can switch to us layout, which i now try to memorize so i don;t have to use german anymore at all Jun 10 15:20:52 For example. Jun 10 15:21:25 SpeedEvil: you mean the descriptions? Jun 10 15:22:18 Tachikoma: I mean - for example - I ahve 'lens cover reminder' installed. Jun 10 15:22:55 Without the entry in the 'settings' application - it would be much harder to work out what I have installed. Jun 10 15:23:32 well, currently i only have the powerkernel and the mobilehotspot stuff from devel/testing, nothing else - system is still clean Jun 10 15:23:41 Basically 'stuff that runs with no user interaction and does not appear in the applications list must have some way for the user to discover it's running' or something similar Jun 10 15:23:52 timeless_mbp: got any recommended places for takeout around NRC? Jun 10 15:24:01 SpeedEvil: i can't follow - you don't know what you have installed? Jun 10 15:24:08 what do you want? Jun 10 15:24:17 i check with dpk -l | grep ii Jun 10 15:24:22 there's a pizza place across the street Jun 10 15:24:22 dpkg -l | grep ii Jun 10 15:24:25 and a chinese place Jun 10 15:24:28 whats available in a short walk except mcd and subway? Jun 10 15:24:31 there's a subway down the end Jun 10 15:24:45 there are a few places around the corner from the metro Jun 10 15:24:48 Tachikoma: I mean for normal users. Jun 10 15:24:49 im at holiday inn atm Jun 10 15:24:50 dpkg -l to my knowledge shows every installed package Jun 10 15:24:55 ok Jun 10 15:24:57 Tachikoma: I just read hex-dumps of the filesystem. Jun 10 15:25:02 the chinese any good? Jun 10 15:25:06 SpeedEvil: oh, ok Jun 10 15:25:08 i'm quite happy w/ it Jun 10 15:25:13 didn't get that Jun 10 15:25:14 note this is the one across from nokia Jun 10 15:25:16 hrw: Cool. I think 0.8.1's postinst sets that command (now in -devel). Testing welcome. Jun 10 15:25:18 the one closer to you costs more at night Jun 10 15:25:21 ok Jun 10 15:25:32 (it's a good deal during lunch hour where it's an all you can eat buffet) Jun 10 15:25:41 well it takes like 5min to go to NRC from here so Jun 10 15:25:47 yeha, i would not recommend testing / devel to normal users despite my not too bad experience up to now Jun 10 15:25:52 but definitely check out the shops to the right of the metro Jun 10 15:26:23 Nokia | McD's | Metro | Food places | | You Jun 10 15:26:36 Nokia and You are on the wrong side of the street, but Jun 10 15:26:37 * timeless_mbp has to run Jun 10 15:26:39 alright, cheers Jun 10 15:26:40 Apt meeting Jun 10 15:26:45 have fun o/ Jun 10 15:26:52 hrw: Nope, it'll be in 0.8.2 which'll go out this evening Jun 10 15:27:06 if you can wait an hour Jun 10 15:27:14 sp3000 and myself could do dinner w/ ya Jun 10 15:27:17 hey how should one approach uninstallation of something that replaces a part of the firmware? Jun 10 15:27:30 put it back? Jun 10 15:27:38 i don't see another solution. Jun 10 15:27:59 speedevil, yeah, but how? Jun 10 15:28:26 I'm talking about how one could automate it.. Jun 10 15:28:27 copy it in preinstall, put it back in uninstall? Jun 10 15:28:31 Jaffa: ok, will try it on monday Jun 10 15:28:36 * SpeedEvil isn't sure how this packaging stuff works. Jun 10 15:28:58 speedevil, sure.. postinst and preinst scripts. Jun 10 15:29:24 i mean preinst and postrm Jun 10 15:35:44 wouldn't you just copy original somewhere in preinst, and copy it back in postrm? or is the problem that it would be inus Jun 10 15:35:50 s/inus/use Jun 10 15:36:17 how do I make infobot fix my mistakes? Jun 10 15:36:55 flailingmonkey: use a trailing slash Jun 10 15:38:08 s/trailing/trailed/ Jun 10 15:38:10 hcm meant: flailingmonkey: use a trailed slash Jun 10 15:38:12 ;) Jun 10 15:38:55 he knows even global substtitution when he's told so Jun 10 15:38:58 timeless_mbp: im about to die from starvation, but some other evening :) Jun 10 15:39:07 s/he /she /g Jun 10 15:39:08 DocScrutinizer51 meant: she knows even global substtitution when he's told so Jun 10 15:39:31 tzzz, or not Jun 10 15:39:41 blah Jun 10 15:39:47 is there a autokick on some forbidden words? then you could kick infobot using this substitution feature ;) Jun 10 15:39:53 he knows even global substtitution when he is told so Jun 10 15:39:57 flailingmonkey, that probly would work. Jun 10 15:39:57 s/he /she /g Jun 10 15:39:57 DocScrutinizer51 meant: she knows even global substtitution when she is told so Jun 10 15:40:04 hcm: autokick is lame Jun 10 15:40:20 aaah Jun 10 15:40:29 crashanddie: yes, but it would be fun tu kick infobot :P Jun 10 15:40:39 why? Jun 10 15:40:46 DocScrutinizer51: whe? Jun 10 15:40:48 does she know about regexp ? Jun 10 15:40:50 DocScrutinizer51: she? Jun 10 15:41:06 s/^does/hoy/ Jun 10 15:41:10 ~attack jacekowski Jun 10 15:41:11 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing jacekowski Jun 10 15:41:17 DCC SE Jun 10 15:41:21 docscrutinizer, did you ever get that modded filemanager? Jun 10 15:41:27 s/SE/SEND startk/ Jun 10 15:41:29 SpeedEvil meant: DCC SEND startk Jun 10 15:41:30 ~confess Jun 10 15:41:31 ... Jun 10 15:41:45 Mece: 1.1.1 here Jun 10 15:41:45 hmm, bot on #amarok has ~confess Jun 10 15:42:05 17:41 < jacekowski> ~confess Jun 10 15:42:05 17:41 <@insanity> i am going out with the guy its been almost a year. i dont love him at all but i dont have the guts to break up with him because he is head over heals for me and it will completely break him. it hurts be to be with him because i want to be with other people. But i cant Jun 10 15:42:11 just hurt him that bad. I dont know what to do. Jun 10 15:42:25 docscrutinizer, ah. probly wont work then. what do you get on dpkg -l libhildonfm2 Jun 10 15:42:38 there used to be two bots on that channel Jun 10 15:42:40 X-Fade, Restarting both memcached and apache doesn't appear to have the desired effect Jun 10 15:42:50 the problem you run into is if the file gets changed by another update. but that fortunately takes forever with Maemo 5 :P Jun 10 15:42:59 I'm starting to wonder if it's picking up the includes somewhere else... Jun 10 15:43:13 hcm: http://bash.org/?178890 Jun 10 15:43:21 dneary: Then you need to trace if that happens. Jun 10 15:43:32 So, that's the problem Jun 10 15:43:37 flailingmonkey, well that would only need a reinstallation. besides the program would prevent ota update. Jun 10 15:43:39 I asked how you did your tracing before Jun 10 15:43:40 crashanddie: yes I know that one ;) Jun 10 15:43:55 Because all the wfDebug() calls I'm putting in never get logged Jun 10 15:43:57 dneary: Just printing. Jun 10 15:44:06 aha Jun 10 15:44:23 And a simple print will go into Apache's logs? Jun 10 15:44:48 dneary: No, the page itself. Jun 10 15:45:08 X-Fade, I've been avoiding that because it's quite disruptive Jun 10 15:45:25 dneary: Print it inside html comments then? Jun 10 15:45:34 dneary: Jun 10 15:48:17 X-Fade, I know what HTML comments look like Jun 10 15:48:45 X-Fade, I also know that mediawiki uses some kind of weird templating system to allow for internationalisation and all that jazz... Jun 10 15:48:59 I'll figure something out. Jun 10 15:49:32 dneary: Write it out to file then? Jun 10 15:49:37 I still don't get how you see this happening Jun 10 15:50:08 dneary: debugging is a bit of a black art. Jun 10 15:50:14 I say "I've made a bunch of changes to files to log things, but nothing is getting logged, I think the files might be getting picked up from somewhere else" Jun 10 15:50:20 and you say "add traces then" Jun 10 15:50:50 Have you ever hacked around with mediawiki? Jun 10 15:51:00 I am missing something... Jun 10 15:51:10 Anyway - like I said, I'll figure it out eventually Jun 10 15:51:11 dneary: Sure I have. It is just php. Jun 10 15:51:36 what's our policy on stuff that replaces bits of firmware? will stuff like that ever make it to extras? Jun 10 15:51:50 Mece: If it breaks SSU, probably not. Jun 10 15:52:41 x-fade, ok. Jun 10 15:53:27 what's the problem with chromium? Jun 10 15:53:29 Mece: Although you could start thinking about a community SSU like we have for Diablo. Jun 10 15:53:36 why has it been removed? Jun 10 15:53:46 Is google being ghey? Jun 10 15:54:02 No, not google. Jun 10 15:54:16 Some company having issues with google. Jun 10 15:54:18 oh, then who? Jun 10 15:54:25 oh, weird Jun 10 15:54:29 Nokias lawyers. Jun 10 15:54:34 No. Jun 10 15:54:39 x-fade, that would be sweet. Jun 10 15:54:44 Red Bend Jun 10 15:54:47 God I'm so frigging bored Jun 10 15:54:54 Seem to be worried about a cease and desist order from some company that alledge chromium is using their technology. Jun 10 15:55:16 partial result Jun 10 15:55:18 The version of chromium in the repo had those bits ripped out. But the lawyers were still reportedly unhappy. Jun 10 15:55:22 Broke something Jun 10 15:59:18 MohammadAG51: are you there? Jun 10 15:59:49 i'm off. toodles. Jun 10 16:00:01 MohammadAG51: I've read a post by you where you compiled a non-crippled version of apt for the N900 -- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=58454 - but the URL does not work. Do you still have it? Jun 10 16:11:10 o/ VDVsx Jun 10 16:11:19 moo frals, vdvsx Jun 10 16:11:40 ehlo Stskeeps Jun 10 16:12:26 * Stskeeps is really not happy about it being 31 C outside Jun 10 16:12:41 ouch, where are you Jun 10 16:12:47 X-Fade, Found it Jun 10 16:12:55 X-Fade, Evil evil stuff Jun 10 16:13:34 Stskeeps: send it over here... summer in finland means its clear blue sky but you can still wear a jacket without breaking a sweat :| Jun 10 16:13:37 X-Fade, There was an out-of-date includes directory in /var/lib/mediawiki, and a different, modified, also out-of-date one in /usr/share§mediawiki Jun 10 16:13:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Contributions/dneary works now Jun 10 16:14:12 dneary: Hmm, not good. Jun 10 16:14:19 dneary: Symlink gone bad? Jun 10 16:14:29 And I am going to do what has been done for every other directory and make /var/lib/includes a symlink Jun 10 16:14:36 Just no symlink at all Jun 10 16:14:50 It's a messy set-up Jun 10 16:15:01 So I was right about not being in the right place Jun 10 16:15:07 Hmm I guess it is a copy of the old server, where symlinks got converted to dirs. Jun 10 16:15:28 I think it's a relic from when I put everything in svn Jun 10 16:15:52 ferenc probably just did an svn co of the includes in both places Jun 10 16:16:00 And the "wrong" one was getting picked up Jun 10 16:17:03 The funny thing was, includes/Wiki.php was getting taken from /usr/share/mediawiki, but all of the rest of the includes were getting picked up from /var/lib/mediawiki - not sure how that happened Jun 10 16:23:36 how can i clear my dns cache? Jun 10 16:29:51 hi, guys, could you please suggest a best set of optimization options for gcc on n900? Jun 10 16:31:00 -O2 Jun 10 16:31:16 cmon, how about mtune? Jun 10 16:31:27 All of that should be set correctly by default in the SDK. Jun 10 16:32:01 really? It assumes some optimization defaults when running "gcc" ? Jun 10 16:32:07 especially when you're calling gcc from makefile... Jun 10 16:32:20 -mfpu=vfp ? Jun 10 16:32:40 It assumes some architecture defaults, because, you know, the people who put the SDK together knew what architecture you'd be targeting. Jun 10 16:33:00 mmarc__, I use -O3 -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math -fsingle-precision-constant Jun 10 16:33:28 that's what I need! Thanks much, wolf^ Jun 10 16:33:57 Yay for placebos, I guess. Jun 10 16:34:48 yes, your guessing is much better than my benchmarks Jun 10 16:35:23 O3 - questionable Jun 10 16:36:18 some tight blitter loops were faster with it iirc Jun 10 16:39:10 anyway, how does one restart a service? Jun 10 16:39:25 start foo Jun 10 16:39:45 or restart Jun 10 16:40:10 I can't believe I spent nearly 2 days chasing down a fucking ghost Jun 10 16:40:11 is there a website anywhere that explains the different icons you see in the status area near the clock> Jun 10 16:40:19 And I still don't understand how that happened Jun 10 16:40:45 i see an odd icon that looks like a tilted 8 with a red ! in it but don't see it when I click on the status area and the window appears Jun 10 16:40:57 screenshot? Jun 10 16:41:27 maybe is from a widget / application you installed ? ? Jun 10 16:41:43 SpeedEvil, if i knew how to take a screen shot on the device i would lol Jun 10 16:41:51 ctrl-shift-p Jun 10 16:43:03 SpeedEvil, that does not seem to do it for me :( Jun 10 16:43:09 at-least they don't show up under pictures Jun 10 16:45:42 MyDocs/.images/Screenshots Jun 10 16:46:06 ah Jun 10 16:46:16 anybody using sip on n900? Jun 10 16:46:26 yes Jun 10 16:46:41 ah hell i dont have my computer cable with me, just the charger Jun 10 16:46:42 :( Jun 10 16:46:54 sip, sure Jun 10 16:46:56 Surfa, my voice gets minced after 2 minutes of usage Jun 10 16:47:15 trumee, ok, haven't talked for 2 minutes (probably( Jun 10 16:47:18 i am running my own * server with g729 Jun 10 16:47:38 trumee: try to use another codec Jun 10 16:47:51 if you are on local LAN mayne just Alaw or Ulaw are ok Jun 10 16:48:00 *meyBe Jun 10 16:48:02 uff Jun 10 16:48:05 nextime: i have used PCMU Jun 10 16:48:05 mAyBe Jun 10 16:48:06 :D Jun 10 16:48:27 trumee : try A-law Jun 10 16:48:43 nextime: now you're just running him through useless hoops Jun 10 16:49:00 trying g729 and ulaw means it isn't a codec-related issue Jun 10 16:49:03 nextime: Bug 6936 is what i am facing Jun 10 16:49:04 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936 Caller voice gets minced after some time when taking call via SIP Jun 10 16:49:27 the devs think it is fixed but it is not Jun 10 16:49:30 luke-jr : depend if on the asterisk side it is doing transcoding or not Jun 10 16:49:40 usually the ppstn use a-law Jun 10 16:49:45 i have to use n95 to make sip calls now :( Jun 10 16:49:49 I'm quite sure a audio problem showing up after 120s won't depend on codec used Jun 10 16:49:53 so, using another codec, even u-law, can make the call problematic Jun 10 16:49:55 where are the photos taken with the camera stored? I want to copy the screenshot there from term so that i can email it to post :) Jun 10 16:50:02 nextime: err, usually not in my experience Jun 10 16:50:38 basically every ITSP I've seen supports ulaw Jun 10 16:50:43 I've never seen anyone use alw Jun 10 16:50:46 alaw* Jun 10 16:50:48 i am running my own * server. the extensions are remote though. the calls doesnt go over pstn at all. Jun 10 16:51:43 luke-jr : at least here both BRI and PRI ISDN are default on alaw Jun 10 16:51:54 doesnt n900 use sofia sip stack. why is this opensource implementation buggy. Jun 10 16:52:15 anyway, this was why i was saying "try alaw" Jun 10 16:52:25 nextime: of course, ISDN doesn't exist in the real world... :p Jun 10 16:52:34 luke-jr : uh? Jun 10 16:52:36 all right Jun 10 16:52:40 what is cooking? Jun 10 16:52:42 luke-jr: i've had isdn at home :P Jun 10 16:52:44 anybody here actually uses sip over wifi a lot? i am interested to know what codec they use. Jun 10 16:52:48 Hey all Jun 10 16:52:51 Stskeeps: you're in Poland, not the real world Jun 10 16:52:51 luke-jr : i don't know where you live, but here isdn is very common Jun 10 16:52:52 :p Jun 10 16:52:56 every home line is ISDN Jun 10 16:52:59 luke-jr: was in denmark Jun 10 16:52:59 :P Jun 10 16:53:22 ISDN? Eh.... Jun 10 16:53:31 luke-jr : i'm in europe :) Jun 10 16:53:34 here isdn is very common Jun 10 16:53:41 so any recommendations for codec from real sip users? Jun 10 16:54:13 How can I use my 3G internet to my laptop via wireless? Jun 10 16:54:20 nextime: ISDN is basically non-existent in the Americas Jun 10 16:54:52 ISDN had its day Jun 10 16:54:55 luke-jr : true, but america is only about 8% of the population of the world :) Jun 10 16:54:57 long sinc epassed Jun 10 16:55:08 america -> usa Jun 10 16:55:08 DocScrutinizer: you maintain twinkle too? Jun 10 16:55:23 nextime: and Europe is what? 5%? Jun 10 16:55:29 trumee: a little bit Jun 10 16:55:34 luke-jr : not so many less than america Jun 10 16:55:38 nextime: America is more than USA Jun 10 16:55:47 mh, in germany you can not get anything but a isdn line for pots Jun 10 16:55:59 luke: It is USA and Colonies Jun 10 16:56:02 i mean i wanted analog but that was simply not available anymoe Jun 10 16:56:05 DocScrutinizer: how can i get decent log from * for the devs Jun 10 16:56:06 * RST38h ducks Jun 10 16:56:13 Tachikoma: sure, but of all the countries I know anything about, Germany is the most screwed up Jun 10 16:56:27 trumee: no idea Jun 10 16:56:37 luke-jr : as google there are more people in europe than in us :) Jun 10 16:56:45 jcrawford: you found DCIM? Jun 10 16:56:55 nextime: my point was that China easily trivializes both Jun 10 16:57:00 well, that won't make isdn go away any time soon there Jun 10 16:57:06 luke-jr : right, and china has isdn too! Jun 10 16:57:15 rotfl Jun 10 16:57:19 this sip issue is real frustrating for me. Jun 10 16:57:20 does it? Jun 10 16:57:21 yes i found it copied it there and am trying to email it now but seems to keep failing to send grrrr Jun 10 16:57:25 lol Jun 10 16:57:29 makes the tablet unusable Jun 10 16:57:42 trumee : anyway, try to debug the call on the * side Jun 10 16:57:46 nextime: no, China has MIW Jun 10 16:58:20 anyone? Jun 10 16:58:25 * luke-jr is someone. Jun 10 16:58:33 nextime: is there any test sip number i can call? Jun 10 16:58:35 * SpeedEvil is everyone. Jun 10 16:58:40 SpeedEvil: liar Jun 10 16:58:41 trumee: probably blame pulse audio for it Jun 10 16:58:54 trumee: wait just a second Jun 10 16:58:58 okayyyyy. Jun 10 16:59:09 How can I use my 3G internet to my laptop via wireless? Jun 10 16:59:10 i will put online a sip number with an Echo() Jun 10 16:59:18 DocScrutinizer: so it is not sip stack issue, rather than pulse audio? Jun 10 16:59:22 MOUD: that's called tethering, and is usually against your provider's ToS Jun 10 16:59:40 trumee: not sure Jun 10 16:59:42 nextime: you use alaw codec? Jun 10 16:59:43 luke-jr: but is it possible with n900? Jun 10 16:59:48 MOUD: yes. Jun 10 16:59:59 DocScrutinizer, OviShare does not want to seem to upload the 500kb image either grr Jun 10 17:00:23 trumee: just PA is known to be crap. I frequently blame it for all unclear issues Jun 10 17:00:38 luke-jr: in germany it's not against every providers Tos anymore, mine allows it by now if i read it right ... Jun 10 17:00:58 gonna give a try. Does it need any special configuration? Jun 10 17:01:01 but then again i also have a contract that was so early they did not yet think of putting that restirction in :) Jun 10 17:01:24 Tachikoma: yeah right. it's illegal to run an open AP in Germany Jun 10 17:01:26 DocScrutinizer: the * debug log wont help if it is a PA problem? Jun 10 17:01:31 MOUD: of course Jun 10 17:01:35 nope Jun 10 17:01:38 MOUD: might even need to recompile your kernel Jun 10 17:02:06 luke-jr: :S ok, tks for the info :) Jun 10 17:02:27 trumee : try to call 123456@skylive.astronomix.org Jun 10 17:02:37 corecode seve6 Jun 10 17:02:38 nextime: thanks Jun 10 17:02:40 ops Jun 10 17:02:42 trumee: first: what kind of problem are you facing? Jun 10 17:02:46 MOUD: you might need to use ad-hoc wifi mode, too Jun 10 17:02:51 not sure if N900 supports AP mode Jun 10 17:02:53 luke-jr: yeah - an open one. It's not illegal to run a encrypted one. In fact it's not even legal to run an encrypted one where the random number that was printed on the access point and is the preconfigured passphrase has not been changed after setting it up the first time ... Jun 10 17:03:12 finally got it on ovishare but now to actually remove it from being private lol Jun 10 17:03:12 Tachikoma: yeah, exactly. Germany is insane. Jun 10 17:03:17 DocScrutinizer: remote voice gets muffled after 2 minutes Jun 10 17:03:23 luke-jr: wasn't it said that the wifi firmware explicitly disables that mode? Jun 10 17:03:23 luke-jr: nope - germ,any is freaking old Jun 10 17:03:32 ahhahaha: http://pics.livejournal.com/cd_riper/pic/000ebgzs/ Jun 10 17:03:41 Tachikoma: and senile/insane Jun 10 17:03:43 just look at the average age, its something like 42 Jun 10 17:03:48 trumee: that's strange Jun 10 17:04:13 for sharing over wifi, joikuspot? Jun 10 17:04:17 luke-jr: I'll try with default settings. If it doesn't work i'll try playing with it later Jun 10 17:04:19 RST38h: you know, if it was a omap3 and with n810 design.. Jun 10 17:04:20 so the people in charge here have not the slightest clue about what they are doing when it comes to technology, also expleins the extremely rapid growth of the pirate party here Jun 10 17:04:23 DocScrutinizer: Bug 6936 Jun 10 17:04:24 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936 Caller voice gets minced after some time when taking call via SIP Jun 10 17:04:25 flailingmonkey Jun 10 17:04:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=450777#post450777 Jun 10 17:04:38 DocScrutinizer, what is your email i will share with you :) Jun 10 17:04:44 whomever can tell me what this icon is haha Jun 10 17:04:55 wait i will just upload to image service Jun 10 17:04:56 jcrawford: share what? Jun 10 17:04:56 Stskeeps: Actually, N810 is kinda flimsy when compared to n900, and the keyboard is worse... Jun 10 17:05:01 at kleast germany forbitd google to take pictures of public streets :) Jun 10 17:05:04 bah why have ppl thumbed down the statement that chromium was pulled Jun 10 17:05:09 Tachikoma: I am anti-piracy of course Jun 10 17:05:20 Tachikoma: yeah, more insanity there Jun 10 17:05:27 luke-jr: pirate party is that as well, most people do not understand that. Jun 10 17:05:35 bollocks Jun 10 17:05:41 DocScrutinizer, this screenshot :) Jun 10 17:05:45 What is wrong with taking pictures of public streets btw? Jun 10 17:05:47 Tachikoma: then why call themselves piracy? Jun 10 17:05:57 RST38h: nothing, just Germany being retarded Jun 10 17:06:04 nobody calls themself piracy Jun 10 17:06:04 jcrawford: I don't need that Jun 10 17:06:04 pirate party are a bunch of idiots who hide behind "we're against piracy", when really they just want to download shit, without caring of copyright Jun 10 17:06:10 its pirates Jun 10 17:06:31 crashanddie, since when are they officially against piracy? Jun 10 17:06:35 crashanddie: so? Jun 10 17:06:40 hi Jun 10 17:06:45 at least in finland i've never seen such statement Jun 10 17:06:50 piracy and copyright are two completely unrelated political issues Jun 10 17:07:00 piracy is raiding ships at high seas Jun 10 17:07:02 Am I missing something.. how do I create an account for the wiki ? Jun 10 17:07:02 really? Jun 10 17:07:07 copyright is a monopoly over informaton Jun 10 17:07:10 http://tinypic.com/r/25s390h/6 Jun 10 17:07:12 crashanddie: that depends on the country, in germany many people joined pirate party as the governement was about to implement censorship technology for the internet and was about to store the last 5 years or so connection data of every internet user Jun 10 17:07:22 i need to know what the icon is 2nd from the right in the top row Jun 10 17:07:23 I went to the wiki.maemo.org and clicked "log in / create account" Jun 10 17:07:38 but on the page I see no possibility to create an account Jun 10 17:07:41 in sweden the piracy topic is much more viviid, german pirates are more aginats surveillance and censorship Jun 10 17:07:44 and trying to log in just gives errors Jun 10 17:07:46 luke-jr, copyright has nothing to do with current understanding of information Jun 10 17:07:51 can anybody help ? Jun 10 17:07:55 nextime: cant call your number? Jun 10 17:07:56 anyone know? Jun 10 17:08:03 in italy google can shot public streets, but they have to cover things that can be bad for privacy like registration numbers of cars ( i don't know the right word in english) and so on Jun 10 17:08:21 nextime, censoring Jun 10 17:08:26 trumee: uhmm i don't see anything coming from outside Jun 10 17:08:36 123456@skylive.astronomix.org ? Jun 10 17:08:42 jcrawford : no, i mean the registration numbers of the cars Jun 10 17:08:46 nextime: 123456@skylive.astronomix.org ? Jun 10 17:08:49 trumee : yep Jun 10 17:08:54 can anyone tell me what the 2nd icon from the right in the top row of the status area is? http://tinypic.com/r/25s390h/6 Jun 10 17:09:13 luke-jr: i can only recommend this page to you: http://nothingforungood.com/ Jun 10 17:09:15 i'm in the asterisk cli with verbose set to 6 Jun 10 17:09:20 and i don't see any call coming Jun 10 17:09:26 it will veru strongly improve your view that germany is insane Jun 10 17:09:27 nextime, in the use we call them license plates Jun 10 17:09:30 ( no firewalling on 5060 udp ) Jun 10 17:09:32 plate number :) Jun 10 17:09:34 and you'll have a good laugh :) Jun 10 17:09:39 jcrawford : yep, plate number is ok :D Jun 10 17:09:51 basicvally its some american guy explainung germany :) Jun 10 17:10:11 luke-jr & jcrawford & Tachikoma & nextime: Could we take it to an off-topic channel? Jun 10 17:10:19 crashanddie: already leaving Jun 10 17:10:31 dneary, \o thanks Jun 10 17:10:38 jcrawford: Don't recognise it. Jun 10 17:10:47 lcuk, Thanks fer what? Jun 10 17:10:55 n900fly active? Jun 10 17:10:56 SpeedEvil, yea nor do i but sometimes it is a green circle with that ssideways 8 icon Jun 10 17:11:04 bug 10573 following up and rectifying :D Jun 10 17:11:05 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10573 Searching for wiki contributions by username yields no results Jun 10 17:11:06 nope Jun 10 17:11:11 lunch be back Jun 10 17:11:56 trumee : just tryed from my office to call the * server, it work Jun 10 17:12:00 jcrawford: never seen Jun 10 17:14:18 are the extras catalogs offline? Jun 10 17:14:46 nextime: some problem with my * config Jun 10 17:15:10 nextime: it is not accepting sip addresses ony telephone numbers Jun 10 17:16:35 trumee : can't you bypass your asterisk registration and directly call from the phone? Jun 10 17:16:56 Hi Jun 10 17:17:31 * nextime need to find the more rapid way to transfer a LOT of contact from the blackberry to the n900 Jun 10 17:17:33 nextime: how would i do that? Jun 10 17:17:52 nextime: disable * register? Jun 10 17:17:56 trumee : just calling sip:123456@skylive.astronomix.org without any registration would do Jun 10 17:17:59 Is JoikuSpot worth the money? Jun 10 17:18:27 dneary: thanks for fixing 19573 :-) Jun 10 17:18:48 DocScrutinizer: 10573? No problem :) Was painful Jun 10 17:18:57 DocScrutinizer: how's charging coming along? Jun 10 17:19:14 nextime: should i disable sip account? Jun 10 17:19:24 trumee : ok, the default voip client in maemo doesn't let you call by voip without an account Jun 10 17:19:40 nextime: why you want voip? Jun 10 17:19:42 at leas as i can see looking at the config Jun 10 17:19:58 jacekowski : my voip is working, it is trumee that has issues Jun 10 17:20:16 dneary: People can now see what I've been editing! Oh noes! :) Jun 10 17:20:18 Stskeeps: not on top of my todo list. To verify any concept I'd need the devel device which I'm waiting to arrive every day now Jun 10 17:20:18 jacekowski : i use it so i can redirect my office number to my mobile :D Jun 10 17:20:24 thanks Jun 10 17:20:44 nextime: what codec do you use? Jun 10 17:20:57 nextime: just setup a call forwarding Jun 10 17:21:00 trumee : g729... Jun 10 17:21:15 jacekowski : why i have to pay for a call forward when i can do it gratis? Jun 10 17:21:17 Stskeeps: anyway SpeedEvil, ShadowJK and me have successfully charged, using a one-liner Jun 10 17:21:24 nextime: and it works fine for long duration over wifi? Jun 10 17:21:33 trumee : never tryed over wifi Jun 10 17:21:40 nextime: ah! Jun 10 17:22:02 ShadowJK: a crude concept, but for anything more sophisticated ... see above about device to test Jun 10 17:22:03 nextime: i have found it working ok over 3g but not on wifi Jun 10 17:22:14 trumee : so, i will try Jun 10 17:22:22 MOUD: you guess it is, because it's cheap. But it also uses too much CPU, I'd rather use something like mobilehotspot even though it requires a custom kernel (you can use the opportunity to go overclock, though) Jun 10 17:23:04 i see Jun 10 17:23:11 MOUD: the rationale being, if you use your mobile as a hotspot, you want it for the longest time possible, and mobilehotspot allows you that because it uses much less CPU than joikuspot Jun 10 17:23:15 my wife is calling me for dinner, seeya guys. Jun 10 17:23:19 s/shadowjk/stskeeps/ Jun 10 17:23:48 ~ping Jun 10 17:23:49 ~pong Jun 10 17:24:04 ptl: I see, but does it work right? Jun 10 17:24:15 MOUD: both do. Jun 10 17:24:30 nice Jun 10 17:24:44 what about using n900 as a repeater? Jun 10 17:24:55 ? Jun 10 17:25:30 n900 as a Wifi Repeater. (To increase a wireless signal) Jun 10 17:26:13 No idea about that, but I don't think it will fit this purpose. mobile phone wifi power is small. Jun 10 17:26:39 ptl: it's not actually Jun 10 17:26:51 I stand corrected, then. :) Jun 10 17:27:04 But I'm not sure that the firmware supports acting as a client and a master at the same time Jun 10 17:27:12 in principle, that might work with ad-hoc. Jun 10 17:34:24 its tricky business Jun 10 17:35:13 SpeedEvil: well, it's more about hardware Jun 10 17:35:32 SpeedEvil: as you can't do 2 channels at the same time Jun 10 17:35:44 major usb-hostmode use case for myself: usb-ethernet stick to share wifi/3g with wired devices Jun 10 17:36:03 That too, yes. Jun 10 17:36:23 and to make it just repeat all you need is access to raw mode Jun 10 17:36:40 jacekowski: yep Jun 10 17:36:47 recieve everything with interesting SSID and resend Jun 10 17:37:02 bbl Jun 10 17:37:11 n900 wifi can do raw mode? Jun 10 17:37:12 what temperature do your n900s show? Mine is usually within 30 to 40 ⁰C Jun 10 17:37:23 ptl: 32 Jun 10 17:37:24 43* Jun 10 17:37:27 42( Jun 10 17:37:28 omg Jun 10 17:37:29 fail Jun 10 17:37:31 :D Jun 10 17:37:41 currently 33 Jun 10 17:37:49 it needs to send on different channel perhaps? how would client handle seeing the same packets twice Jun 10 17:37:49 Where do i check? -_- Jun 10 17:38:40 Is it right that N8 has a broadcom GPU? Jun 10 17:39:02 LuciusMare: you need custom kernel (kernel-power), then you need to load the bq27x00_battery kernel module, then you do cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp Jun 10 17:39:09 th3hate, why do you think so Jun 10 17:39:31 rumors say so Jun 10 17:39:36 Just wanna make sure Jun 10 17:39:43 ptl: okay, thanks :) Jun 10 17:40:13 or is it PowerVR SGX530? Jun 10 17:40:35 LuciusMare: kernel-power it titan's kernel, a ready-for-overclocking kernel with loads of stuff, like ipv6 support, NAT/masquerading support (for mobilehotspot) and other goodies, it's worth the money you pay for it Jun 10 17:40:53 th3hate, I see no reason to expect such a bizarre change Jun 10 17:41:00 what money? Jun 10 17:41:06 $0 Jun 10 17:41:11 it's worth it. Jun 10 17:41:37 Then i guess it's not broadcom like rumors say? Jun 10 17:42:51 it's something weird, an ARM11 chip with OpenGL ES 2.0 support Jun 10 17:43:11 I wonder if it's something custom from TI Jun 10 17:43:48 The UI is gpu accelerated with Broadcom BCM2727 GPU Jun 10 17:43:49 i guess Jun 10 17:44:12 nvm, I keep forgetting its ARM11 platform Jun 10 17:44:51 SpeedEvil, Fixed user links in Recentchanges too Jun 10 17:44:55 ARM11 is based on ARMv6? Jun 10 17:44:57 :) Jun 10 17:45:02 broadcom's site is terrible :/ Jun 10 17:46:42 Stskeeps, man up. :P Jun 10 17:47:09 Oops, stuck in scrollback. Jun 10 17:47:33 th3hate, ARM11 is the CPU type, armv6 is the instruction set. Jun 10 17:48:09 I mean n8's CPU is the based on the same cpu used in n810 Jun 10 17:48:11 right? Jun 10 17:48:27 both are ARM-11 Jun 10 17:48:29 th3hate, not exactly. Jun 10 17:48:35 ARM11 Jun 10 17:48:51 th3hate, quite again.. where did you get the idea? :) Jun 10 17:49:16 It says the CPU is ARM11 in nokia's site Jun 10 17:49:34 And it says the same about n810's cpu both are arm11 Jun 10 17:50:11 But GPU being broadcom is just a rumor Jun 10 17:50:48 * timeless_mbp sighs Jun 10 17:51:47 well, the "gpu" being broadcom is unlikely unless the whole SoC is broadcom Jun 10 17:52:13 we'll know soon enough, in any case Jun 10 17:52:27 That's what i thought too, i think it's PowerVR SGX530 Jun 10 17:55:46 much more liekly Jun 10 17:55:56 a/liekly/likely/ Jun 10 17:56:00 ugh Jun 10 17:57:27 IRC/forums must be pretty amusing for people who know internal details. or depressing Jun 10 18:06:30 depressing Jun 10 18:07:09 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jun 10 18:07:21 uhuh Jun 10 18:07:33 ? Jun 10 18:07:52 stupid web2irc script Jun 10 18:08:14 I bet, otherwise where's THAT lame nick from Jun 10 18:10:22 GAN900: no news yet. 'overnight' was a guess of you, right? Jun 10 18:15:38 does anyone else have this weird hypnotic response to spinning the desktops on their phone? Jun 10 18:15:50 fun for my 3yr old and for me Jun 10 18:18:22 nah, I won't say it... Jun 10 18:19:02 flailingmonkey: my vote is on depressing if you have a open source mindset Jun 10 18:20:26 Stskeeps: has charging gained some points on meego importance rating? Jun 10 18:21:24 Stskeeps: just asking why you're asking :-) Jun 10 18:21:48 DocScrutinizer: curiousity and i wish we had a open bme (personally) Jun 10 18:21:51 Stskeeps: so I might re-arrange my ToDo Jun 10 18:22:57 Stskeeps: I wait for response from hah and err, what's his name? Jun 10 18:23:57 DocScrutinizer, yeah. Jun 10 18:24:31 DocScrutinizer: marquiz i guess Jun 10 18:24:35 yes Jun 10 18:25:53 on a random sidenote, if a meego team is meeting in person and there's only nokians/subcontractors in it, - what's best way to maintain 'openness'? publish minutes afterwards and postpone actual decisions until next online meeting? Jun 10 18:25:59 Stskeeps: you noticed (yet quite empty) jrbme.garage ? Jun 10 18:26:04 yeah, i noticed it Jun 10 18:26:27 Stskeeps: good question Jun 10 18:26:34 okay, bought that n900 Jun 10 18:26:43 because even in open teams there might be BoF's in person, on a random conference Jun 10 18:26:53 thought the touchscreen would be better Jun 10 18:27:00 did they ever get multitouch to work on it? Jun 10 18:27:24 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: hardware-side not possible Jun 10 18:27:44 but with some nasty software-hacks it emulates that... Jun 10 18:28:03 Stskeeps: probably yes. depends on nature of the decisions. If you easily can revert, then no need to postpone, just mention them in minutes and encourage public debate Jun 10 18:29:18 mikki-kun, which softare hacks are these? Jun 10 18:30:08 Stskeeps: after all it's always one person who says 'so now that's it, let's see if it pans out" - so you can decide based on prior discussion, or you decide based on own notion and discuss later Jun 10 18:30:12 to my knowledge none have been really distributed widely as these hacks are really basic and implementation can and surely is very difficult Jun 10 18:30:30 DocScrutinizer: :nod: Jun 10 18:32:20 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: you can not implement true mt on this type of touchscreen, without at least minor hw mods Jun 10 18:32:59 DocScrutinizer: minor hw hacks?! replacing the touchscreen and the controller is for me a major hack... Jun 10 18:33:08 Stskeeps, we should fly you to all of them. :P Jun 10 18:33:48 meh, i hate travelling too much Jun 10 18:34:01 visiting two countries this month Jun 10 18:34:36 mikki-kun: that's not how r-ts mt works, though Jun 10 18:35:03 will the n900 work with maemo 6? Jun 10 18:35:08 mikki-kun: basically it'd need really minor modifications to the driver hw for a 4wire r-ts Jun 10 18:35:25 this n900 seems to have maemo 5: 10.2010.19-1.002 Jun 10 18:35:32 is this optimal? Jun 10 18:35:40 isn't that pr1.2? Jun 10 18:35:45 yep Jun 10 18:35:46 if so, then you are up to date.. Jun 10 18:35:54 Hey Jun 10 18:36:08 Does anyone know of a workaround to get the email widget working with nokia messaging? Jun 10 18:37:29 DocScrutinizer: hm, i didn't know that you can hack a rt-st-ts to a multi-touch... Jun 10 18:38:14 maybe i should take a look there... Jun 10 18:38:15 mikki-kun: well, dual touch Jun 10 18:38:24 isn't that enough? Jun 10 18:38:38 for me even single is enough Jun 10 18:38:59 if we could have triple-touch then we'd beat the iphone4 :D ^^ Jun 10 18:39:55 not sure about that. iPhone c-ts probably supports virtual "unlimited" number of conurrent touchpoints Jun 10 18:40:09 9 or 10 Jun 10 18:40:14 yep Jun 10 18:40:18 Ö.ö Jun 10 18:40:21 1st gen may be less Jun 10 18:40:31 try putting 10 of you fingers on the 3.5" screen Jun 10 18:40:33 s/less/fewer Jun 10 18:40:37 or even 11! Jun 10 18:40:46 it's pretty full after that Jun 10 18:40:47 %) Jun 10 18:40:49 I can't eve put two without awkwardness. Jun 10 18:41:07 o/ Jun 10 18:41:13 sometimes dual-touch would be cool, but single-touch is easier in usage :) Jun 10 18:41:14 lo Jun 10 18:41:25 err \o Jun 10 18:41:42 GAN900: play tap tap Jun 10 18:42:04 GAN900: you'll learn to use three fingers without any problem Jun 10 18:42:15 §and next week we show you how to unknot your fingers..." Jun 10 18:42:24 XD Jun 10 18:42:26 and that sentence taken out of context can be so damning Jun 10 18:42:40 two-touch Jun 10 18:42:53 apple could bring "twister for fingers" out... Jun 10 18:42:57 it's too easy to leave evidences on touch screen. Jun 10 18:43:03 not apple, apple doesn't write apps Jun 10 18:43:06 or very little Jun 10 18:43:07 that would top 1 app in all stores Jun 10 18:43:33 anyway twister for fingers was exactly what I had in mind Jun 10 18:43:47 DocScrutinizer: you ever played heavy rain? Jun 10 18:43:56 nope Jun 10 18:44:18 at one point you have to use 8 of your fingers to hold down specific buttons... Jun 10 18:44:22 that is really twister Jun 10 18:44:26 couldn't the screen on the n900 be replaced or something? Jun 10 18:44:31 there seem to be screws on the back Jun 10 18:44:42 put on a capacitive one Jun 10 18:44:51 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: forget it Jun 10 18:45:37 I mean, it doesn't seem that hard to do - just saying Jun 10 18:46:06 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: have fun writing the drivers ;) Jun 10 18:46:17 i dont think that resistive and capacitive screens are electronically compatible Jun 10 18:46:28 have fun finding a mechanically matching part, first instance Jun 10 18:46:32 well the whole screen part would have to be replaced, I guess Jun 10 18:46:46 of course, nokia would probably have to manufacture it Jun 10 18:46:49 seems like a lot of work just to pinch to zoom Jun 10 18:47:05 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: not bad idea. Jun 10 18:47:08 well, I've never had a phone with it, but I heard there is a lot more one cna do with it Jun 10 18:47:12 insane idea Jun 10 18:47:18 good ideas are insane Jun 10 18:47:24 minus the atomic bomb Jun 10 18:47:32 modularity is good m'kay? Jun 10 18:47:49 n900 isn't 'modular' Jun 10 18:48:02 presumably n900+1 will have a capacitive screen Jun 10 18:48:06 that why phones have (normally) changeable batteries Jun 10 18:48:11 trust me, I know what I'm talking about Jun 10 18:48:17 good Jun 10 18:48:22 share your knowledge Jun 10 18:48:23 well i dont :) Jun 10 18:48:23 lol Jun 10 18:48:39 greenfly: ack Jun 10 18:48:48 anyone have problems connecting to certain APs with the n900? Jun 10 18:49:01 greenfly: and no hw kbd Jun 10 18:49:09 screwit Jun 10 18:49:15 you guys talking about the n920? Jun 10 18:49:18 DocScrutinizer: at least from what I've read APIs are being written to support it Jun 10 18:49:19 thought that was fake Jun 10 18:49:40 DocScrutinizer: hadn't heard about the hw kbd Jun 10 18:49:52 that's a pretty important feature for me Jun 10 18:50:01 grep your config files for RX-71 Jun 10 18:50:01 interactive shell sessions are painful w/ pure touchscreen Jun 10 18:50:41 ljsdofuynsdfufuh, versatility wise resistive is better Jun 10 18:50:57 or maybe s/config/git tree/ Jun 10 18:51:05 n900 kbd is not very comfortable either, too small for my taste Jun 10 18:51:22 GAN900, why so one can use that stick thingy? Jun 10 18:51:23 heh Jun 10 18:51:25 four rows would be great Jun 10 18:51:44 eh, I just tend to get used to whatever thumb keyboard Jun 10 18:51:51 well, let's try to be optimistic about it since I literally just bought one Jun 10 18:51:56 none of them are ideal (since the ideal would be a full-sized keyboard) Jun 10 18:52:00 *everyone make ljsdofuynsdfufuh feel good about his purchase* Jun 10 18:52:20 greenfly: and no qwerty. it was only invented to slow down typing Jun 10 18:52:26 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: the n900 is great as long as you aren't trying to turn it into some other phone Jun 10 18:52:28 Actually, I wonder if anyone has hooked up full sized keyboards using bluetooth Jun 10 18:52:36 sx0n|home: oh here we go with that old yarn... Jun 10 18:53:00 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: some have, it's hit or miss, depends on the keyboard type and you have to do a bit of work to get it to work Jun 10 18:53:07 greenfly: well yes :) Jun 10 18:53:09 it was invented to slow down typing in one way, but actually it ends up not doing so much anymore Jun 10 18:53:19 (researched that one for a while) Jun 10 18:53:40 the end result of all of it is that people who are properly trained to type are faster than people who aren't Jun 10 18:53:41 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: it's the best device I ever had, and I don't want it to be elementarily different Jun 10 18:54:09 currently having problem connecting to wifi Jun 10 18:54:16 n900 is really a good device. Jun 10 18:54:17 thinks wep pass is wrong or something Jun 10 18:54:57 first thing I did was install nmap Jun 10 18:54:58 heh Jun 10 18:55:02 even farmville works with oc kernel and pr1.2. it does not work well even on most desktops Jun 10 18:55:12 oh what a plus Jun 10 18:55:14 hahah Jun 10 18:55:16 sorry Jun 10 18:55:41 yeah, zynga ceo was second speaker in ios4 presentation. Jun 10 18:56:29 and millions of users. incl me ;) Jun 10 18:57:11 i just do little "research" about online games. Jun 10 18:57:17 people actually play farmville? Jun 10 18:57:32 yes depending upon your definition of 'people' Jun 10 18:57:34 i would not call it playing.. Jun 10 18:57:52 right, sorry, the great unwashed Jun 10 18:58:21 im on level 62 btw :) Jun 10 18:59:06 how do you show a wep key you entered in previously? Jun 10 18:59:21 you cant i suppose Jun 10 18:59:24 ouch Jun 10 18:59:30 security issue Jun 10 18:59:51 Hi Jun 10 18:59:55 but it was just guess Jun 10 19:00:25 for installing Wine should i donwload the .deb package ? Jun 10 19:00:42 cause there are other packages available Jun 10 19:00:54 this is the binary list : http://www.lamaresh.net/binary.php Jun 10 19:00:58 i don't know which one to choose Jun 10 19:01:01 wine? for what? Jun 10 19:01:05 N900 Jun 10 19:01:08 wow Jun 10 19:01:11 LOL Jun 10 19:01:27 dont tell me its not yet out Jun 10 19:01:49 you're aware we got no x86 cpu, are you? Jun 10 19:02:17 well how did some ppl run Wine on their N900 Jun 10 19:02:21 xDaReaperx: are you trying to use spotify? Jun 10 19:02:28 yes Jun 10 19:02:35 there is different client Jun 10 19:02:45 hmm couldnt find one Jun 10 19:03:19 someone even made OSX run on N900, using bochs Jun 10 19:03:49 time to first boot message: ~3h Jun 10 19:04:27 windows also "works" using this way Jun 10 19:04:28 xDaReaperx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33390 Jun 10 19:04:42 so why shouldn't wine work as well? Jun 10 19:04:43 there might be better threads, but that came up first Jun 10 19:04:58 hmm ok ty Jun 10 19:05:04 ya i thought wine should be working alone Jun 10 19:05:35 nope Jun 10 19:06:30 bochs hosting x86-linux, running wine, running a windows app Jun 10 19:06:36 sounds sane ;-D Jun 10 19:07:34 dont we have DoxBox as another PC emulator ? Jun 10 19:07:38 DosBox * Jun 10 19:07:45