**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 12 02:59:56 2010
Jun 12 03:10:34 <GAN900> Ugh, lost data connection again.
Jun 12 03:12:10 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: moinmoin
Jun 12 03:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: actually you missed not a bit
Jun 12 03:13:11 <GAN900> Since about 4 hours ago?
Jun 12 03:13:12 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: seems all the world switched focus to some silly round object
Jun 12 03:13:28 <GAN900> Baseball? :D
Jun 12 03:13:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~50 lines since 4h ago
Jun 12 03:14:02 * GAN900 watched the Marlins beat the Ray 14-9 thanks to our Ace pitcher having a . . . rough night.
Jun 12 03:14:07 <GAN900> Yeesh
Jun 12 03:14:16 <DocScrutinizer> anyway there's livelogs ;-D
Jun 12 03:14:21 <GAN900> Any reply on the tracking info?
Jun 12 03:14:37 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Jun 12 03:14:45 <GAN900> There's scrollback on my Mac Pro in the studio, I'm just too lazy to go out there.
Jun 12 03:15:30 <DocScrutinizer> managed to crank up znc
Jun 12 03:15:52 <shorter> hey
Jun 12 03:15:56 <DocScrutinizer> DocScrutinizer2
Jun 12 03:16:08 <shorter> is it possible to plug a usb flash drive into a n900?
Jun 12 03:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Jun 12 03:16:21 <shorter> like flash drive -> conversion cable -> small usb port
Jun 12 03:16:41 <shorter> that would be mad l33t
Jun 12 03:17:19 <DocScrutinizer> http://h-e-n.garage.maemo.org  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=696115#post696115
Jun 12 03:17:27 <SpeedEvil> shorter: not yet
Jun 12 03:17:40 <DocScrutinizer> but soonish
Jun 12 03:18:13 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227
Jun 12 03:19:24 <shorter> wow, impressive
Jun 12 03:20:17 <DocScrutinizer> yeah - lol
Jun 12 03:20:39 <shorter> I wonder if a usb mouse could wor
Jun 12 03:20:40 <shorter> k
Jun 12 03:20:45 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jun 12 03:21:05 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51 said it has issues with resolution
Jun 12 03:21:29 <DocScrutinizer> from one end of screen to the other in 2mm
Jun 12 03:21:53 <DocScrutinizer> probably needs some tweaking in xorg.conf [input]
Jun 12 03:22:51 <shorter> the maemo community is great
Jun 12 03:23:19 <shorter> I guess that's FOSS!
Jun 12 03:23:35 <DocScrutinizer> do you think I'd do anything else?
Jun 12 03:24:33 <shorter> with... your time/
Jun 12 03:25:01 <shorter> indeed, we are just organisms falling into our respective niches
Jun 12 03:25:58 <DocScrutinizer> well, I'm notorious for pushing FOSS, so why would I do different when developing hostmode?
Jun 12 03:31:17 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: aiui it should be trivial to extract a bzImage from a .deb, and flash that via usb?
Jun 12 03:34:31 <luke-jr> scibotic: nah
Jun 12 03:40:30 <SpeedEvil> fairly, yes
Jun 12 03:53:32 <scibotic> Does anyone here know what a "chunk" is when using GPRS/Mobile internet?
Jun 12 03:54:27 <SpeedEvil> in what context?
Jun 12 03:55:58 <scibotic> Billing, they say they bill per a 20kb chunk. Which usually means that if you only down 1kb, it's still going to be charge as 20kb down.
Jun 12 03:56:57 <scibotic> My question is, if I initiate the connection and I download 1kb, then download another 2kb a few seconds later, is that still part of the same "chunk" or are they seperate 20kb chunks?
Jun 12 03:57:20 <SpeedEvil> It varies per operator
Jun 12 03:57:26 <scibotic> Well fuck. :/
Jun 12 03:57:46 <scibotic> It's an incredibly vague term to me, so I'm not sure how to interpret it.
Jun 12 04:03:25 <Arkenoi> some even count every several minutes, so if you have almost no data flow, you are still being billed for several "minimal chunks"
Jun 12 04:06:13 <SpeedEvil> Phone them.
Jun 12 04:06:14 <SpeedEvil> Ask.
Jun 12 04:20:02 <scibotic> Can't phone them, they have a distinct lack of customer support.
Jun 12 04:20:42 <scibotic> One of those super cheap garage companies that are selling what the carrier offers at as close to wholesale as they can make a profit off by keeping their running costs ridiculously low.
Jun 12 04:22:33 <shorter> why doesn't the n900 re-orientate the screen like many other phones when turned upright/sideways?
Jun 12 04:22:40 <shorter> like in firefox?
Jun 12 04:22:40 <SpeedEvil> Some apps do.
Jun 12 04:22:44 <shorter> fennec*
Jun 12 04:23:12 <shorter> oh, I haven't used many yet I guess - I just mean the default ones
Jun 12 04:23:46 <shorter> just expected it to be standard for most things
Jun 12 04:24:09 <shorter> is it difficult/are they waiting to add more support for accelerometer integration?
Jun 12 04:25:25 <SpeedEvil> It's a UI thing more. Writing two UIs
Jun 12 04:27:35 <microlith> is there an incompatibility between PyQt and pynotify?
Jun 12 04:36:34 <Macer> blah
Jun 12 04:40:27 <DocAvalanche> exactly
Jun 12 04:42:43 <scibotic> Thank you for the help, I'll probably monitor my usage closely for the first week and see what turns up on the bill.
Jun 12 04:44:25 <pupnik> growing food with n900 LEDs?
Jun 12 04:44:44 <DocAvalanche> hehe
Jun 12 04:45:01 <DocAvalanche> n8
Jun 12 04:51:30 <Macer> hahaha
Jun 12 04:52:06 <Macer> pupnik: i could see it now.. someone growing marijuana with an n900
Jun 12 04:52:25 <Macer> "Is there an iphone app for that bitch?!"
Jun 12 04:53:26 <pupnik> Macer: yes flashlight app
Jun 12 04:53:34 <Macer> haha
Jun 12 04:53:47 <Macer> pupnik: does iphone have an led cam flash?
Jun 12 04:53:59 <pupnik> hmm
Jun 12 04:54:08 <Macer> is that the new feature added to this years model?
Jun 12 04:54:13 <Macer> like the compass?
Jun 12 04:54:15 <Macer> :)
Jun 12 04:55:06 <Macer> i loved the commercial "now with video"
Jun 12 04:55:13 <Macer> welcome to 1999
Jun 12 04:55:38 <Macer> blah.. just something for the cattle
Jun 12 04:56:22 <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/zombeef.jpg Macer
Jun 12 05:00:26 <Macer> hahahaha
Jun 12 05:00:30 <Macer> looks more like
Jun 12 05:00:35 <Macer> cows of the damned
Jun 12 05:00:41 <Macer> than zombies
Jun 12 05:00:45 <Macer> bbl
Jun 12 05:52:36 <RST38h> <yawn>
Jun 12 05:52:55 <ds3> hmmmm
Jun 12 05:54:20 <luke-jr> know any cheap (under $100) netbooks?
Jun 12 05:54:54 <ds3> try punching holes in a copy of websters? :D
Jun 12 05:55:06 <luke-jr> ds3: wtf?
Jun 12 05:55:32 <ds3> the holes should turn that book into a net
Jun 12 05:55:55 <luke-jr> ...
Jun 12 05:57:33 <pupnik> gpodder on n810 takes most cpu just to download a file
Jun 12 05:59:03 <pupnik> ok that isnt true, but it is over 25 pct
Jun 12 05:59:05 <ds3> btw, anyone seen weirdness where the N900 thinks it is still connected to a WiFi AP even though the WiFi is miles away and it has been hours?
Jun 12 05:59:18 <Stskeeps> yes, but did you upgrade to pr1.2?
Jun 12 05:59:28 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: any ideas? :P
Jun 12 05:59:31 <ds3> not yet, no time to backup 16G
Jun 12 05:59:51 <ds3> and no time to figure out how to work the flasher with the N900
Jun 12 05:59:52 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: ben nanonote?
Jun 12 05:59:54 <Stskeeps> or something
Jun 12 06:00:05 <ds3> now if there was a really a peice meal OTA version....
Jun 12 06:00:06 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: something that can browse the net and do video chat :p
Jun 12 06:00:15 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: n900 ;p
Jun 12 06:00:21 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: that's far far from cheap
Jun 12 06:02:17 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: considering the equipment in it .. it's fairly cheap :P
Jun 12 06:02:40 <luke-jr> not really... <.<
Jun 12 06:02:45 <luke-jr> and it's not a netbook in any case
Jun 12 06:03:49 <ds3> does PR1.2 also solve the battery life issue?
Jun 12 06:04:09 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: i use it same way i'd use a netbook :P
Jun 12 06:04:17 <Stskeeps> replaces my laptop quite often
Jun 12 06:04:31 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: this is to be a lone computer
Jun 12 06:04:49 <luke-jr> as in, no other computers for the person to use :p
Jun 12 06:05:19 <ds3> if it wasn't for the crappy USB setup, the N900 works fine as a lone computer
Jun 12 06:05:36 <luke-jr> ds3: you forget super-tiny screen and keyboard
Jun 12 06:06:06 <ds3> luke-jr: that doesn't bother me
Jun 12 06:06:37 <ds3> about the only complaint with they screen is the smudging
Jun 12 06:06:51 <ds3> and the TV out takes care of the situations where I need to share stuf
Jun 12 06:06:53 <ds3> stuff
Jun 12 06:07:19 <luke-jr> heh, TV out is only useful with a TV/monitor ;)
Jun 12 06:07:29 <ds3> or a projector
Jun 12 06:07:35 <luke-jr> sure, but that's even MORE expensive
Jun 12 06:07:41 <pupnik> hdmi out will be a sweet upgrade
Jun 12 06:07:44 <ds3> eh?
Jun 12 06:07:51 <ds3> I paid $80 for mine
Jun 12 06:07:57 <pupnik> but tv out is nice
Jun 12 06:08:01 <Surfa> ds3, and cheapest tv costs how much?
Jun 12 06:08:02 <luke-jr> $80 for a projector? what?
Jun 12 06:08:11 <Surfa> ds3, 1$?
Jun 12 06:08:15 <luke-jr> last I checked they were thousands
Jun 12 06:08:17 <ds3> yes, $80 for a battery powered one
Jun 12 06:08:22 <luke-jr> and hundreds for bulbs
Jun 12 06:08:31 <ds3> Surfa: too heavy
Jun 12 06:08:44 <Surfa> ds3, i thought price was the question here
Jun 12 06:09:04 <ds3> I want portability and the N900 gives me that... if only it did Host + charging like the N800...
Jun 12 06:10:00 <ds3> the N900 is fast enough to play DVDs if it can only have a DVD drive hookedup
Jun 12 06:10:29 <DocAvalanche> ds3: stay cool man
Jun 12 06:10:40 <DocAvalanche> hostmode with charging coming soon
Jun 12 06:10:44 <luke-jr> yeah, the question is a netbook for under $100, not a display for under $100 :p
Jun 12 06:10:55 <ds3> DocAvalanche: but no charging
Jun 12 06:11:03 <DocAvalanche> uh?
Jun 12 06:11:08 <ds3> I saw sarahn's patches
Jun 12 06:11:15 <DocAvalanche> so?
Jun 12 06:11:42 <ds3> it has a side effect of preventing charging
Jun 12 06:12:06 <DocAvalanche> heh, nice find. Guess why we rework the kernel
Jun 12 06:12:44 <ds3> just one more jack is all it would have cost to get OTG + charging
Jun 12 06:13:10 <DocAvalanche> WE DON'T NEED additional jack
Jun 12 06:13:25 <DocAvalanche> hostmode with charging coming soon
Jun 12 06:13:37 <DocAvalanche> which part of that didn't get thru?
Jun 12 06:13:42 <ds3> okay
Jun 12 06:13:53 <ds3> deliver it =)
Jun 12 06:20:09 <RST38h> "The Pentagon is desperately seeking the 'cooperation' of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, in order to stop him from releasing over 250,000 pages of confidential foreign policy documents."
Jun 12 06:20:20 <RST38h> Gets better daily
Jun 12 06:20:44 <luke-jr> ...
Jun 12 06:20:52 <luke-jr> shouldn't foreign policy be public anyway?
Jun 12 06:21:02 <Surfa> no?
Jun 12 06:21:05 <RST38h> it should be foreign.
Jun 12 06:21:08 <luke-jr> haha
Jun 12 06:21:13 <luke-jr> where does Julian live?
Jun 12 06:21:17 <luke-jr> they don't have copyright there?
Jun 12 06:21:40 <Surfa> Julian Paul Assange is an Australian journalist
Jun 12 06:21:44 <Surfa> ...
Jun 12 06:21:47 <pupnik> he is still locked-up isnt he?
Jun 12 06:21:57 <pupnik> oh founder
Jun 12 06:21:58 <RST38h> He lives in .AU. Not a good place to live in THIS kind of sense
Jun 12 06:22:21 <luke-jr> so why doesn't the Pentagon just threaten him with copyright infringement?
Jun 12 06:22:39 <RST38h> Because this is not a copyight infringeent?
Jun 12 06:22:42 <luke-jr> no?
Jun 12 06:22:46 <luke-jr> how isn't it?
Jun 12 06:22:58 <pupnik> just listening to an interview with Daniel Ellsberg on the subject
Jun 12 06:23:01 <luke-jr> he's copying their documents...
Jun 12 06:23:06 <RST38h> But given that he is in AU, they will find something to blame him for
Jun 12 06:23:47 <RST38h> Either he has not paid taxes, or got child pornography, or something else. Never been a problem.
Jun 12 06:23:56 <pupnik> http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/06/09/daniel-ellsberg-8/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AntiwarRadio+%28Antiwar+Radio%29
Jun 12 06:24:06 <luke-jr> RST38h: why isn't it copyright infringemnet?
Jun 12 06:24:38 <RST38h> luke: Because copyright infringement has to be proven?
Jun 12 06:24:49 <luke-jr> ...
Jun 12 06:25:02 <pupnik> govt doesnt have copyright on war crimes
Jun 12 06:25:03 <RST38h> And that requires examination of the documents? And attribution to a copyright holder?
Jun 12 06:25:04 <Surfa> even that it was.. copyright infringements may not have enough scale of punishment for this :)
Jun 12 06:25:36 <luke-jr> if he publishes Pentagon documents, that he admits are the Pentagon's documents, and he admits he doesn't have permission to publish them, hasn't he admitted to copyright infringement?
Jun 12 06:25:37 <pupnik> there is no word for 'whistleblower' in german...
Jun 12 06:25:51 * RST38h isn't sure why luke-jr is so bent on copyright infringements
Jun 12 06:26:04 <luke-jr> RST38h: it's very clearly copyright infringement...
Jun 12 06:26:16 <Surfa> totally unrelated this whole copyright discussion
Jun 12 06:26:17 <Stskeeps> can a state claim copyright on their documents? ;)
Jun 12 06:26:20 <RST38h> There are, of course, other methods to silence a whistleblower. Way more reliable.
Jun 12 06:26:29 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: I suppose that would be a good question XD
Jun 12 06:27:25 <RST38h> pupnik: I am sure Germans never leak documents. That, after all, would violate a law!
Jun 12 06:28:11 <pupnik> Stskeeps: not in usa, afaik
Jun 12 07:24:32 <Termana> <luke-jr> they don't have copyright there? <-- you have to be joking right. We're about to have mandatory internet filters and you have to ask weather we have copyright :P
Jun 12 07:36:49 <xkr47-DI> hi, can somebody tell me what they have in /var/run/resolv.conf ?
Jun 12 07:36:57 <xkr47-DI> is it "nameserver 127.0.0.1" or something else ?
Jun 12 07:39:37 <arachnist> xkr47-DI: nothing else
Jun 12 07:47:26 <xkr47-DI> and, is /etc/resolv.conf a symling to somewhere or a plain file ?
Jun 12 07:49:21 <pupnik> what OS
Jun 12 07:52:05 <MohammadAG51> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           21 Feb 22 09:42 /etc/resolv.conf
Jun 12 07:52:15 <MohammadAG51> it's a file
Jun 12 08:23:31 <RST38bis> somebody please /msg rst38bis test
Jun 12 08:24:11 <jaska> test messaged
Jun 12 08:24:41 <dr34m> anybody got a working fish module yet for xchat on n900 ?
Jun 12 08:25:39 <cure`> dunno, but it could use some plugins indeed
Jun 12 08:26:31 <cure`> media playing/sysinfo, the usual, looked around a few days ago but couldn't find anything
Jun 12 08:27:29 <dr34m> yup maybe somebody can compile it for maemo ;p
Jun 12 08:29:42 <cure`> i couldn't even find much linux python xchat stuff for anything
Jun 12 08:29:53 <cure`> it must be out there tho
Jun 12 08:32:50 <pupnik> irssi could use an audible bell :(
Jun 12 08:51:28 <Stskeeps> wow, i'm seeing actual constructive discussion on tmo
Jun 12 08:53:38 * pupnik rolls vs illusion and successfully disbelieves
Jun 12 09:39:55 <redeeman> hello, can someone tell me which file holds the configuration of the wifi stuff? i suspect something has gone wrong there
Jun 12 09:40:59 <FauxFaux> It's in gconf.  Ho ho ho.
Jun 12 09:41:29 <redeeman> damn gconf
Jun 12 09:42:36 <MohammadAG51> lol
Jun 12 09:42:56 <redeeman> well i really dont like it :)
Jun 12 09:43:20 <FauxFaux> gconf the denier of information services.
Jun 12 09:44:07 <MohammadAG51> neither do I
Jun 12 09:45:21 <redeeman> ah well it seems to not be the n900 that fucks, seems my laptop cant find it either now :)
Jun 12 10:05:07 <kirma> on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor : "The main camera is a ET8EK8 by Toshiba. The datasheet for this part is not publicly available." ... and: http://www.gitorious.org/omap3camera/pages/Home : "The et8ek8 sensor driver datasheet is available at http://retiisi.dyndns.org/~sakke/foo/SMIA95_AF_camera%20module_APL_090511.doc" ... might someone update the wiki, as I can't?
Jun 12 10:06:15 <akshey> Hi, I heard that recent maemo5 update has added support for front camera also. Is that true?
Jun 12 10:06:36 <kirma> depends on your definition of "support"
Jun 12 10:06:40 <MohammadAG51> Skype and Google Video
Jun 12 10:06:53 <MohammadAG51> why would they lie about it :P
Jun 12 10:06:55 <kirma> it works. tried with gstreamer just half an hour ago.
Jun 12 10:07:07 <kirma> but sensitivity us awful
Jun 12 10:07:09 <kirma> is
Jun 12 10:10:00 <akshey> kirma and MohammadAG51,  How can I update it? I can't see any updates from application manager. I am using the firmware for India.
Jun 12 10:11:04 <lcukx200> akshey, the linux drivers for the camera have been there from day1
Jun 12 10:11:33 <MohammadAG51> akshey, no idea about Indian fw
Jun 12 10:11:41 <MohammadAG51> but I thought that doesn't have skype
Jun 12 10:11:55 <MohammadAG51> aptitude is a b**** to compile
Jun 12 10:12:07 <lcukx200> mornin moh
Jun 12 10:12:19 <MohammadAG51> morning lcukx200
Jun 12 10:12:21 <MiXu-> There isn't an application that you could use to operate the front camera for pictures etc. It's only for video calls or 3rd party apps.
Jun 12 10:12:44 <akshey> lcukx200: I am talking not talking about the 5mp camera. I am talking about the camera for vdo conferencing
Jun 12 10:12:45 <lcukx200> MiXu-, ?
Jun 12 10:13:08 <MiXu-> lcukx200: Hm=
Jun 12 10:13:09 <MiXu-> ?
Jun 12 10:13:34 <RST38h> You can operate front camera for pictures
Jun 12 10:13:39 <RST38h> If you really need to
Jun 12 10:13:49 <RST38h> Both cameras are available as standard Video4Linux devices
Jun 12 10:13:52 <lcukx200> MiXu-, /dev/video0
Jun 12 10:13:55 <lcukx200> MiXu-, /dev/video1
Jun 12 10:14:04 <RST38h> and hello, lcuk
Jun 12 10:14:08 <lcukx200> install healthcheck, it looks at them :D
Jun 12 10:14:11 <lcukx200> hiya RST38h
Jun 12 10:14:11 <MiXu-> lcukx200, RST38h: That's not usable for 90% of people.
Jun 12 10:14:16 <akshey> MiXu-: how can I test if it is working for vdo conferencing?
Jun 12 10:14:18 <MiXu-> I was talking about an app.
Jun 12 10:14:27 <MiXu-> akshey: Make a video call :)
Jun 12 10:14:31 <lbt> duh
Jun 12 10:14:33 <lcukx200> MiXu-, neither is skydiving, but does not mean it doesnt exist
Jun 12 10:14:36 <RST38h> screw 90% of people
Jun 12 10:15:01 <MiXu-> lcukx200: I didn't say it's not possible. I just said there isn't an app (by default) that would do it.
Jun 12 10:15:08 <MiXu-> 3rd party stuff is another story as I said.
Jun 12 10:15:15 <lcukx200> perhaps a filesystem branch for the 10% of users should be made
Jun 12 10:15:37 <akshey> MiXu-: How do i make a video call? Cant see any such option :(
Jun 12 10:16:22 <MiXu-> I haven't tried it. But if you make a gtalk voip call there should be an option to enable video afaik.
Jun 12 10:16:25 <LiraNuna> akshey, you need skype or google talk
Jun 12 10:16:28 <lbt> akshey: do you have PR1.2?
Jun 12 10:16:35 <LiraNuna> and the other side should have a video camera as well
Jun 12 10:16:39 <MiXu-> yep
Jun 12 10:17:03 <akshey> lbt: PR ?
Jun 12 10:17:12 <LiraNuna> public release
Jun 12 10:17:17 <lbt> latest update to Maemo
Jun 12 10:17:32 <RST38h> lbt: he does not
Jun 12 10:17:40 <akshey> I installed this one: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.004_PR_COMBINED_004_ARM.bin
Jun 12 10:17:50 <MiXu-> Yeah, that's PR1.2
Jun 12 10:18:06 <MohammadAG51> Indian version though, not the same one we have
Jun 12 10:18:24 <lbt> ah... may make a difference
Jun 12 10:19:20 <akshey> While using US version it was asking me to update but when I installed Indian one, it is not asking
Jun 12 10:19:22 <MohammadAG51> cool, another step forward in aptitude compilation
Jun 12 10:19:33 <MiXu-> I'd be surprised if video calls were missing from the indian version
Jun 12 10:19:43 <MohammadAG51> skype's missing :P
Jun 12 10:19:54 <MiXu-> Oh :o
Jun 12 10:20:00 <MiXu-> But why :o
Jun 12 10:20:45 <MohammadAG51> f*** yes!
Jun 12 10:20:50 <MohammadAG51> aptitude compiled
Jun 12 10:20:59 <MohammadAG51> err, Segmentation Fault
Jun 12 10:21:02 <MohammadAG51> xDD
Jun 12 10:21:55 <lbt> MohammadAG51: :)
Jun 12 10:22:10 <lcukx200> MohammadAG51, nice
Jun 12 10:22:38 <RST38h> Ok, I have uploaded the latest HydroCarbon theme to the Extras-Devel
Jun 12 10:22:41 <RST38h> Give it a try.
Jun 12 10:22:47 <MohammadAG51> qemu segfaulted btw, aptitude worked :P
Jun 12 10:23:17 <lcukx200> RST38h, this hydrocarbon theme does not create plumes on surrounding desktops does it?
Jun 12 10:23:23 * lcukx200 writes a top-kill theme
Jun 12 10:23:44 <MohammadAG51> whatever happened to live-wp development
Jun 12 10:23:48 * SpeedEvil pumps golf-balls into lcukx200.
Jun 12 10:23:59 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG51: see xsnow.
Jun 12 10:24:04 <lcukx200> SpeedEvil, arghhhh
Jun 12 10:24:30 <lcukx200> the methane escaping from me is all ummm natural gas
Jun 12 10:24:44 <MohammadAG51> who needs documentation when docpurge purges it
Jun 12 10:24:51 * MohammadAG51 strips debian/rules
Jun 12 10:25:06 <lcukx200> MohammadAG51, dont!
Jun 12 10:25:20 <MohammadAG51> Already did
Jun 12 10:25:43 <lcukx200> clearing off the documentation makes a ballache later
Jun 12 10:26:33 <lcukx200> when someone has to figure out how to turn it back on again ;)
Jun 12 10:27:12 <RST38h> lcuk: No, although it has managed to drive joppu mad
Jun 12 10:27:15 <MohammadAG51> lcukx200, oh, I just commented it out anyways :P
Jun 12 10:29:15 <MohammadAG51> hmm
Jun 12 10:29:18 <MohammadAG51> it uses qt3
Jun 12 10:29:24 * MohammadAG51 comments out
Jun 12 10:30:43 <chadi> Hello. I have downloaded and set up scratchbox, now I downloaded the source code of an app (QtIrreco) inside scratchbox, extracted, then "make". I get the following:
Jun 12 10:30:57 <chadi> make: *** No rule to make target `/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-gles2/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.
Jun 12 10:31:12 <MohammadAG51> configure it first
Jun 12 10:31:17 <MohammadAG51> qmake I guess
Jun 12 10:32:03 <chadi> is qmake a command?
Jun 12 10:32:55 <chadi> bash: qmake: command not found
Jun 12 10:33:40 <LiraNuna> chadi, you need the Qt dev kit
Jun 12 10:33:53 <LiraNuna> oh, wait - scratchbox
Jun 12 10:34:05 <chadi> yea, and there is a pro file.
Jun 12 10:35:34 <chadi> do I need qt4-dev?
Jun 12 10:36:10 <chadi> libqt4-dev that is
Jun 12 10:36:11 <MohammadAG51> just do a dpkg-buildpackage -b and see what packages it needs
Jun 12 10:36:45 <chadi> exactly: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqt4-dev
Jun 12 10:36:49 <chadi> :)
Jun 12 10:36:51 <lcukx200> "apt-get build-dep qtirreco"  should just work?
Jun 12 10:37:12 <lcukx200> with a bit of instally bit
Jun 12 10:37:31 <chadi> Downloading libqt4-dev right now, let's see if it helps :)
Jun 12 10:38:04 <MohammadAG51> lcukx200, well, build depends can be more than depends :)
Jun 12 10:38:14 <MohammadAG51> i.e -dev packages, and the such
Jun 12 10:38:29 <MohammadAG51> compiling cwidget
Jun 12 10:38:38 <lcukx200> course MohammadAG51
Jun 12 10:38:42 <MohammadAG51> Might get this into -devel after all
Jun 12 10:38:47 <lcukx200> thats what the build-dep bit is for
Jun 12 10:39:23 <MohammadAG51> lcukx200, well, those packages don't install by installing the package itself
Jun 12 10:39:50 <MohammadAG51> don't you just love it when text scrolls while compiling
Jun 12 10:40:44 <lcukx200> ? MohammadAG51
Jun 12 10:41:10 <lcukx200> dont worry
Jun 12 10:41:16 * lcukx200 vanishes and goes driving
Jun 12 10:42:34 <chadi> are pyton apps also developed in scrathbox or that is not neccesary?
Jun 12 10:54:44 <chadi> MohammadAG51, dpkg-buildpackage -b does a make too in case no problems found?
Jun 12 10:58:10 <MohammadAG> \o/ http://i46.tinypic.com/96aoht.jpg
Jun 12 11:00:02 <psycho_oreos> aptitude
Jun 12 11:00:03 <psycho_oreos> lol
Jun 12 11:02:09 <chadi> MohammadAG, what's after fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b?
Jun 12 11:02:37 <MohammadAG> chadi, depends on what you're doing
Jun 12 11:02:46 <chadi> i wanna launch it :D
Jun 12 11:03:02 <MohammadAG> o.O
Jun 12 11:03:11 <MohammadAG> why not just install qtirreco from the repos...
Jun 12 11:03:50 <chadi> I have a problem that I am trying to debug, for now I wanna compile the source code as it is, later I'll modify it
Jun 12 11:05:00 <pupnik> it should be in the directory in binary form
Jun 12 11:06:04 <chadi> but make did nto work
Jun 12 11:06:17 <MohammadAG> did dpkg-buildpackage work?
Jun 12 11:06:35 <MohammadAG> and you can't launch GUIs in the ARMEL target
Jun 12 11:06:35 <chadi> yeah, but it gave an optifying error at the end
Jun 12 11:07:11 <chadi> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}
Jun 12 11:07:11 <chadi> maemo-optify
Jun 12 11:07:11 <chadi> make: maemo-optify: Command not found
Jun 12 11:07:11 <chadi> make: *** [binary-arch] Error 127
Jun 12 11:07:30 <chadi> fine, let me go in x86
Jun 12 11:07:34 <MohammadAG> apt-get install maemo-optify
Jun 12 11:08:00 <chadi> couldn't find package
Jun 12 11:08:13 <MohammadAG> Riiight... did you add -devel?
Jun 12 11:08:35 <MohammadAG> aptitude, which section would it be more sutiable in, user/utilities or user/system?
Jun 12 11:08:36 <chadi> nope
Jun 12 11:09:05 <chadi> utilities i'd say
Jun 12 11:12:35 <pupnik> openpandora user can set lcd refresh to 50/ or 60 hz
Jun 12 11:20:13 <mord> kuusiokolojahanne, vaihtasi torxeihin
Jun 12 11:20:19 <mord> eek. sorry wron chan
Jun 12 11:20:22 <mord> wrong*
Jun 12 11:23:59 <Treibholz> damn! The dependencies in the SDK are broken and I cannot install it...
Jun 12 11:38:32 <MohammadAG> :/
Jun 12 11:38:43 <MohammadAG> I have to wait two imports to upload a damn package
Jun 12 11:38:59 <MohammadAG> package depends on a dependency, which depends on another one
Jun 12 11:39:58 <MohammadAG> lol crashanddie (football post)
Jun 12 12:13:03 <chadi> I tried installing qtirreco from the repos, it worked by lirc did not installing, saying:
Jun 12 12:13:04 <chadi> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lirc_0.8.5-3fremantle30_i386.deb (--unpack): | error creating pipe `./dev/lircm': Permission denied | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Jun 12 12:13:04 <chadi> Errors were encountered while processing: | /var/cache/apt/archives/lirc_0.8.5-3fremantle30_i386.deb | E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Jun 12 12:14:39 <chadi> it worked but* lirc did not install*
Jun 12 12:16:25 <MohammadAG> you forgot fakeroot
Jun 12 12:17:43 <Treibholz> is it possible, the dependencies in the SDK are totally messed up?
Jun 12 12:19:49 <chadi> MohammadAG, no I did not
Jun 12 12:20:15 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: around?
Jun 12 12:21:13 <chadi> MohammadAG, it even refuses to install in xephyr
Jun 12 12:21:35 <MohammadAG> use the chroot terminal
Jun 12 12:21:40 <MohammadAG> (scratchbox)
Jun 12 12:21:53 <crashanddie> I need some names/ideas for something: I have a set-top-box that I want to hide, I also have a couple of playstations that I want to hide. Playstation uses bluetooth so no need to have line of sight, but the set-top-box uses IR remote, so I need to have line of sight or some IR transmitter that I could build into the drawer where everything will be in
Jun 12 12:22:43 <GAN900> crashanddie, they sell IR retransmitters.
Jun 12 12:22:55 <crashanddie> yeah, names, google isn't helping at the moment
Jun 12 12:23:07 <yanu> crashanddie: there are IR-recievers that passtrough the signal back to ir
Jun 12 12:25:06 <RST38h> Anyone knows how I can enable coredumps in Maemo5?
Jun 12 12:26:11 <crashanddie> yanu: do you have a name?
Jun 12 12:27:07 <id2380dnasid> Hi?
Jun 12 12:27:18 <ecksun> crashanddie, there is a harmony remote that have a rf to ir converter
Jun 12 12:27:22 <GAN900> crash
Jun 12 12:27:36 <GAN900> crashanddie, I know smarthome.com has some listed.
Jun 12 12:27:37 <crashanddie> ecksun: yeah, don't want that
Jun 12 12:28:20 <ecksun> crashanddie, it would solve your problem though ;)
Jun 12 12:28:37 <crashanddie> ecksun: not likely. Not a standard remote and not supported by universal remote controls
Jun 12 12:28:45 <ecksun> I know where you can by some in sweden, however i dont know how that willl help you
Jun 12 12:28:52 <ecksun> harmony supports everything
Jun 12 12:29:10 <ecksun> otherwise you can just ask them to add the support and they will do it
Jun 12 12:29:30 <ecksun> http://www.clasohlson.se/Product/Product.aspx?id=147601748 doesnt help you, does it?
Jun 12 12:30:20 <yanu> crashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=infrared+repeater+remote+control+vcr&btnG=Google+Search
Jun 12 12:31:07 <ecksun> crashanddie, how about  Digiality IR Bender
Jun 12 12:31:57 <RST38h> Anyone?
Jun 12 12:35:50 <Treibholz> http://tmp.uxix.de/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.log
Jun 12 12:35:56 <Treibholz> what am I doing wrong?
Jun 12 12:36:12 <benno2> Hi, I'm trying to make an icon for a maemo app but the icon  does not appear in the application list. I followed this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application   any idea how to make it work? thanks
Jun 12 12:47:17 <zaheerm-lp> luke-jr, not when it is based on false pretenses
Jun 12 12:47:42 <zaheerm-lp> luke-jr, sorry, replying to something from hours ago
Jun 12 12:49:54 <ZogG> вщ ш туув ещ гьщгте ыщьурщцук ьшскщЫв иуащку ефлштп ше щге( еру зрщту шы щт)
Jun 12 12:49:58 <ZogG> damn
Jun 12 12:50:13 <ZogG> do i need to umount mocrosd before taking it out if the phone is on?
Jun 12 12:50:22 <RST38h> that has been unicode, apparently...
Jun 12 12:50:30 <RST38h> yes, you do.
Jun 12 12:50:43 <ZogG> RST38h what is the mount point
Jun 12 12:51:00 <ZogG> and it is unicode but still jebrish as i tried to type in english
Jun 12 12:51:07 <ZogG> just wrong layout =)
Jun 12 12:51:23 <RST38h>   /media/mmc1 ?
Jun 12 12:52:01 <ZogG> it wasn't mounted =)
Jun 12 12:53:40 <MiXu-> You don't need to unmount manually
Jun 12 12:53:56 <MiXu-> It gets unmounted if you remove the back cover
Jun 12 12:54:16 <MiXu-> There's a magnet + a sensor that detects when the cover is removed
Jun 12 12:54:22 <kW_> Hello! Is there some documentation how to completely re-build a N900 Maemo distribution as it is preinstalled? I've already compiled the kernel, but how do I create userspace-images?
Jun 12 12:54:48 <MiXu-> What is it you're trying to achieve?
Jun 12 12:55:21 <kW_> MiXu-: my objective is an encrypted root file system
Jun 12 12:55:44 <MiXu-> Ah. Can't help with that then. :)
Jun 12 12:55:58 <kW_> MiXu-: which effectively means that I'll have two maemo userspace instances, one for booting and entering the passphrase, and the other one which is actually encrypted
Jun 12 12:56:28 <kW_> MiXu-: I did this before with openmoko, it is not really difficult
Jun 12 12:56:44 <MiXu-> Isn't it enough if you encrypt all user data? :)
Jun 12 12:57:14 <kW_> MiXu-: well, if it is ensured that "all user data" lies within a certain directory in the VFS directory tree?
Jun 12 12:57:52 <MiXu-> Not sure about that
Jun 12 12:57:56 <kW_> MiXu-: typically, files are written here and there (e.g. some configuration changes are reflected in /etc, some log files are stored in /var or /var/log ...)
Jun 12 12:58:59 <kW_> I have to measure the speed difference, though. If it is too slow, then I may do the work and try to find out all places which are modified.
Jun 12 12:59:11 <MiXu-> Most user data is under /home
Jun 12 12:59:27 <kW_> But nevertheless, I need to be able to rebuild the image (or a comparable image) as it is originally installed in N900 devices you buy.
Jun 12 12:59:59 <MiXu-> There's a 2GB partition that's mounted as /home which should hold all contacts, sms, etc.
Jun 12 13:01:59 <kW_> Well, I do see this.
Jun 12 13:02:23 <kW_> it is a good starting point
Jun 12 13:03:24 <GAN900> crashanddie, steadicam is here.
Jun 12 13:03:33 <crashanddie> which one?
Jun 12 13:05:29 <GAN900> crashanddie, dunno, didn't order it.
Jun 12 13:06:17 <Lazy^> Hello, can someone post me link to wiki to instructions how to tell apt-get to use different cache. Since i cant upgrade to 1.2 since low diskspace.. and i have only 1 app installed
Jun 12 13:08:27 <crashanddie> GAN900: going to have fun with it?
Jun 12 13:08:53 <felipec> X-Fade: did the PR1.x dependency bug get fixed?
Jun 12 13:10:03 <GAN900> crashanddie, hell yes.
Jun 12 13:10:26 <clasificado> hi all
Jun 12 13:10:57 <crashanddie> GAN900: you'll have to show me some footage
Jun 12 13:11:11 <crashanddie> GAN900: secure it in your car and drive around :P
Jun 12 13:11:28 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: Maybe it's linked from
Jun 12 13:11:30 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Jun 12 13:11:31 <infobot> somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 12 13:11:32 <crashanddie> GAN900: attach it on the backseat, and give it a spin, then go driving, enjoy 360 degree views
Jun 12 13:11:34 <clasificado> hi all
Jun 12 13:11:46 <MohammadAG51> hmm, there aren't going to be fremantle X86 devices?
Jun 12 13:11:54 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG51: Sounds unlikely.
Jun 12 13:12:08 <MohammadAG51> s/?/ right?/
Jun 12 13:12:08 <infobot> MohammadAG51 meant: hmm, there aren't going to be fremantle X86 devices right?
Jun 12 13:12:24 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG51: Still sounds unlikely.
Jun 12 13:12:27 <MohammadAG51> k, i'll set it to armel only
Jun 12 13:15:21 <clasificado> hi guys, what are you doing? im trying to compile the hid-apple module but im a noob with that, so its uber-fun :P
Jun 12 13:17:18 <crashanddie> lol... "Wireless external DVD burner. USB lead included"
Jun 12 13:17:20 <Lazy^> SpeedEvil: hehe, not flashing.. i mean upgrading =) Someone sayed that there is way to give more cache-space for apt
Jun 12 13:17:43 <crashanddie> Lazy^: "said"
Jun 12 13:17:45 <RST38h> Anyone used OpenGLES?
Jun 12 13:18:21 <Lazy^> "said" ;)
Jun 12 13:18:31 <clasificado> OpenGLES, not yet. too much math
Jun 12 13:20:52 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, grammar nazi
Jun 12 13:21:07 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: I thought you'd be one to like nazis
Jun 12 13:21:27 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, did I complain?
Jun 12 13:21:33 <crashanddie> :P
Jun 12 13:21:47 <crashanddie> (I think we just shocked the hell out of anyone who isn't completely perverted)
Jun 12 13:22:03 <MohammadAG> o.O
Jun 12 13:24:16 <MohammadAG> I swear if this build fails I'm nuking the autobuilder
Jun 12 13:25:03 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: oops
Jun 12 13:25:05 <crashanddie> GAN900 & timeless: you guys use an external dvd writer? I have a macbook (unibody first gen) that has a broken cd player. recommendations?
Jun 12 13:25:23 <Lazy^> anyway, i did find that link...
Jun 12 13:25:24 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: have you disabled all repos apart from nokia?
Jun 12 13:25:31 <Lazy^> yep
Jun 12 13:25:48 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/cdfaq.htm
Jun 12 13:25:48 <Lazy^> but maybe moving apt-cache is the solution...
Jun 12 13:25:56 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: What space do you have?
Jun 12 13:26:16 <GAN900> crashanddie, get a cheap one off the interwebs?
Jun 12 13:26:29 <GAN900> and, WTF, since when does Maemo do autocorrection?
Jun 12 13:27:34 <crashanddie> GAN900: the cheap ones I see in the area around me are reported to not work with macs
Jun 12 13:27:44 <GAN900> Ah
Jun 12 13:27:46 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, I use an external writer
Jun 12 13:27:58 <MohammadAG> it's a USB-only one, so it's kinda slow
Jun 12 13:28:09 <MohammadAG> but my laptop doesn't have an internal drive so...
Jun 12 13:28:13 <GAN900> I have a MacAlly enclosure with some DVD writer or other in it.
Jun 12 13:28:21 <GAN900> From 2005 or so.
Jun 12 13:28:42 <SpeedEvil> I vaguely recall some proto-app to get the n900 to appear as a CD player
Jun 12 13:28:56 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: the axel is bent, if you insert a CD it scratches it against the inside of the computer
Jun 12 13:29:28 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: and macs (especially the unibody) are notorious for being hard to open. It's not my computer either, so not going to mess with it
Jun 12 13:29:31 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, http://www.overclockersonline.net/reviews/50002601/
Jun 12 13:30:50 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: works under osx?
Jun 12 13:31:15 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, drivers use generic drives afaik, it 'works' with my N900
Jun 12 13:31:24 <MohammadAG> drives*
Jun 12 13:31:32 <MohammadAG> drivers*
Jun 12 13:31:32 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 12 13:31:38 <MohammadAG> swap both terms
Jun 12 13:32:08 <crashanddie> meh, true, plug and pray right. I'll just go pick up something at the local shop and go yelling if it doesn't work
Jun 12 13:32:50 <MohammadAG> works most the times (yelling part)
Jun 12 13:33:25 <DocScrutinizer2> *yawn*
Jun 12 13:33:54 <MohammadAG> it's alive!
Jun 12 13:34:09 <DocScrutinizer2> you're sure? me not
Jun 12 13:34:51 <MohammadAG> heh
Jun 12 13:35:06 <Lazy^> SpeedEvil: rootfs 63.8mb
Jun 12 13:36:08 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: That's plenty
Jun 12 13:36:25 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: I had IIRC 55M before updating. You're on 1.1.1?
Jun 12 13:36:32 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: what exact error message do you get?
Jun 12 13:36:35 <Lazy^> heh, it's still complaining about the space...
Jun 12 13:36:38 <Lazy^> sec
Jun 12 13:36:42 <MohammadAG> who said aptitude wouldn't run http://maemo.org/packages/view/aptitude/
Jun 12 13:36:51 <benno2> Any idea how I can see the same fonts in maemo5 scratchbox as on the N900 ?
Jun 12 13:37:44 <DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG, you evil repo spammer
Jun 12 13:37:48 <Stskeeps> should be, nokia fonts are installed
Jun 12 13:38:26 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer2, muhahahaha
Jun 12 13:38:30 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jun 12 13:38:39 <MohammadAG> I wonder if I removed the rm -rf from the postinst script
Jun 12 13:38:41 <MohammadAG> oh well
Jun 12 13:38:45 <Lazy^> SpeedEvil: yes, 1.1.1
Jun 12 13:39:02 <Jaffa> SpeedEvil: Thanks for the sensible comment on the Chromium thing. Much appreciated.
Jun 12 13:39:07 <SpeedEvil> Lazy^: It should certainly not fail wwiht lack of space with 65M IIRC
Jun 12 13:39:18 <SpeedEvil> Jaffa: I wish things were sane.
Jun 12 13:39:33 <SpeedEvil> Jaffa: And just by holding up clear proof, this sort of thing would go away.
Jun 12 13:39:56 <Lazy^> but it does.. .) App-manager says that i should pc-suite. pc-suite flips outs.. apt-get distupgrade fails also
Jun 12 13:39:56 <SpeedEvil> But - ...
Jun 12 13:40:01 <benno2> Stskeeps, I tried af-sb-init.sh start on both X86 and ARMEL targets but I get a lot of errors, like qemu not found etc. but starting my app standalone with Xephyr running works. just I don't see the maemo desktop. any idea ?
Jun 12 13:40:30 <Jaffa> SpeedEvil: If wishes were horses...
Jun 12 13:40:45 <lbt> SpeedEvil:  Mece: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.11/    :D
Jun 12 13:40:46 * SpeedEvil looks up horse recipies.
Jun 12 13:42:35 * lbt goes back to building the maemo obs
Jun 12 13:42:58 <lbt> X-Fade: are we ready to get any trial users on there yet?
Jun 12 13:43:07 <benno2> I installed maemo5 sdk a few days ago, did apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade is this enough to update to the PR 1.2 SDK or do I need to perform apt-get dist-upgrade ?  dist-upgrade wants to install only 1.6MB of archives, bsdutils, e2fsprogs etc.   any idea? thanks
Jun 12 13:45:21 <MohammadAG> lol it keeps segfaulting
Jun 12 13:50:26 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, yummy, grilled horse
Jun 12 13:52:39 <kW_> Are there any experienced n900 hackers here?
Jun 12 13:56:14 <MiXu-> Try the talk.maemo.org forum
Jun 12 13:56:49 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer2, KOR 2 - 0 GRE XP
Jun 12 13:57:06 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, good
Jun 12 13:57:17 <SpeedEvil> kW_: for what?
Jun 12 13:57:33 <DocScrutinizer2> less kor than gre around here
Jun 12 13:59:57 <kW_> SpeedEvil: Well, I want to rebuild the software on the N900 from source (e.g. kernel, initfs, rootfs, ...). I've already succeeded with the kernel, but I do not know how to build a rootfs (e.g. out of a scratchbox instance).
Jun 12 14:00:20 <MohammadAG> well, at least aptitude can do an apt-get update :S
Jun 12 14:00:42 <kW_> (I'm aware that "source" may well mean to add some "nokia-binaries", but that's fine.)
Jun 12 14:01:04 <SpeedEvil> I've not used scrachbox - so am unaware if it can do 'make world'\
Jun 12 14:01:13 <MohammadAG> LOL I got a framebuffer console in maemo
Jun 12 14:01:16 <MohammadAG> idk how
Jun 12 14:01:17 <SpeedEvil> Maemo-devel aslo
Jun 12 14:01:30 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Some of the third party kernels enable it
Jun 12 14:01:42 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, inside Maemo? not that I recall
Jun 12 14:01:47 <DocScrutinizer2> Noma: ctrl-alt-F1?
Jun 12 14:01:48 <MohammadAG> plus I'm not using third party kernels
Jun 12 14:02:34 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Odd - I diddn't think that it had fbcon compiled in
Jun 12 14:03:20 <DocScrutinizer2> a hoax, MohammadAG prolly doen't even know what kernel is on his dev atm XP
Jun 12 14:03:57 <MohammadAG> /kick DocScrutinizer you hurt my feelings
Jun 12 14:04:09 <DocScrutinizer2> :-P
Jun 12 14:04:24 <MohammadAG> XD
Jun 12 14:05:14 <DocScrutinizer2> noma? you see... :-S ETAB
Jun 12 14:05:30 <DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG:  ctrl-alt-F1?
Jun 12 14:05:40 <MohammadAG> someone install aptitude and see if it segfaults for them
Jun 12 14:05:57 <MohammadAG> I can't see any reason it would segfault, other than Nokia fscking around with apt-utils
Jun 12 14:06:14 <DocScrutinizer2> gdb is your friend
Jun 12 14:06:15 <clasificado> i can do it
Jun 12 14:06:31 <clasificado> where it is?
Jun 12 14:06:35 <MohammadAG> -devel
Jun 12 14:07:01 <MohammadAG> wow
Jun 12 14:07:04 <MohammadAG> one goal already
Jun 12 14:07:05 <MohammadAG> xDDDD
Jun 12 14:08:40 <MohammadAG> It's bad to lock the N900 at 100% right?
Jun 12 14:08:46 <MohammadAG> what about 10x that? :P Load average: 9.86 8.56 5.03
Jun 12 14:10:29 <clasificado> -devel repos is big :P
Jun 12 14:21:21 <Mece> argentina is looking pretty good.
Jun 12 14:32:16 <DocScrutinizer> damn, feels like futurama. The space bees are loose - run!!
Jun 12 14:41:58 <MiXu-_> Is there a way to see how many times a certain package has been downloadded from extras?
Jun 12 14:42:05 <MiXu-_> extras-devel actually
Jun 12 14:46:43 <DocScrutinizer2> yes
Jun 12 14:47:48 <GAN900> MiXu-_, http://downloads.maemo.org
Jun 12 14:48:45 <clasificado> im argentinian :D 1st half done
Jun 12 14:48:45 <fureddo> I think it's only for extras though, not extras-devel.
Jun 12 14:49:44 <clasificado> hey mohammadag, i have aptitude and sigsegv, both in one package :P
Jun 12 14:50:04 <MohammadAG> lol what
Jun 12 14:50:28 <clasificado> sorry, let me try again
Jun 12 14:50:31 <clasificado> ive installed your aptitude
Jun 12 14:51:23 <clasificado> and my output is "Ouch! Get SIGSEGV, dying..."
Jun 12 14:51:39 <MohammadAG> did you run it as root?
Jun 12 14:51:43 <clasificado> yep
Jun 12 15:08:09 <Mece> heyoo
Jun 12 15:08:47 <Mece> oops
Jun 12 15:09:09 <Mece> MohammadAG51, thanks for fixing the pelota widget
Jun 12 15:13:17 <MohammadAG51> Mece np :P
Jun 12 15:18:20 <fureddo> Is there anyone here who was using QStardict and cannot use it anymore since PR1.2?  I have resubmitted a new version in extras-devel and would like to know if it works now.   Anyone can test it and report?
Jun 12 15:18:33 <fureddo> The name is qstardict_0.13.2-3fb.
Jun 12 15:18:46 <fureddo> I have no device so cannot test it myself.
Jun 12 15:29:21 <SpeedEvil> fureddo: What is the problem?
Jun 12 15:29:26 <felipec> anyone knows how to make g_log actually print something?
Jun 12 15:30:01 <SpeedEvil> fureddo: qstar!=mstar?
Jun 12 15:30:21 <SpeedEvil> Downloading
Jun 12 15:31:41 <fureddo> SpeedEvil, qstar != mstar.  That is correct.  It's 2 different apps.
Jun 12 15:32:03 <SpeedEvil> It starts and does not immediately crash
Jun 12 15:32:14 <fureddo> That's a good.
Jun 12 15:32:19 <fureddo> The problem is explained here:
Jun 12 15:32:27 <fureddo> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=709715&postcount=176
Jun 12 15:34:26 <fureddo> SpeedEvil, You will have to download and install a dictionary.
Jun 12 15:34:27 <SpeedEvil> "The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config""  - appearing on the console when I try to tick the plugin
Jun 12 15:34:42 <fureddo> Ah ok.
Jun 12 15:34:55 <SpeedEvil> Is this related to a dictionary?
Jun 12 15:35:01 <fureddo> So most probably that the problem is still there.
Jun 12 15:35:59 <fureddo> I wonder...  Did you have the previous version installed before installing the new version?
Jun 12 15:36:12 <SpeedEvil> No - no qstardict - I did have mstardict
Jun 12 15:36:21 <fureddo> Ok.
Jun 12 15:36:38 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Jun 12 15:36:50 <fureddo> You can try to install a dictionary and use it.
Jun 12 15:37:12 <fureddo> Dictionaries from mstar are supposed to be compatible with qstar.
Jun 12 15:37:20 <SpeedEvil> hadn't got that setup either
Jun 12 15:37:46 <fureddo> I think you can copy one of them in $HOME/.stardict/dic directory.
Jun 12 15:37:49 <fureddo> Ah ok.
Jun 12 15:37:50 <SpeedEvil> Is there a nice page on how to setup the dicts?
Jun 12 15:38:00 <fureddo> Yes, here...
Jun 12 15:39:01 <fureddo> http://wiki.qstardict.ylsoftware.com/Dictionaries_installation
Jun 12 15:42:11 <SpeedEvil> downloading
Jun 12 15:42:28 <SpeedEvil> I suspect you know it would be nice to have some nice automagic way to do this.
Jun 12 15:43:45 <fureddo> Probably.  But I think maybe not actually.  Of course, it's a hassle.  But if all applications have their own dowload manager for installing data, that would clutter all the applications and take more space needlessly.
Jun 12 15:44:22 <fureddo> So, I don't know...  Of course, in the future, we will have plenty of space on these devices but for now, the space is limited.
Jun 12 15:46:02 <ManoftheSea> what's a hassle?
Jun 12 15:46:10 <ManoftheSea> the app store?
Jun 12 15:46:13 <fureddo> trouble
Jun 12 15:46:59 <fureddo> disturbance, annoyance
Jun 12 15:47:04 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Jun 12 15:47:15 <SpeedEvil> Where does the browser put downloaded files..
Jun 12 15:47:21 <fureddo> No idea
Jun 12 15:47:47 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Jun 12 15:47:52 <SpeedEvil> Mydocs/.documents
Jun 12 15:47:57 <SpeedEvil> How deeply obvious.
Jun 12 15:47:59 <fureddo> Home directory? or desktop? or Documents & Settings/home/My Documents/My Received Files/endOfTheWorld
Jun 12 15:48:10 <fureddo> :-)
Jun 12 15:49:20 <SpeedEvil> And of course - busybox tar doesn't know bz
Jun 12 15:49:57 <fureddo> Yeah, I thought so.  There was a lot of complains about how difficult it can be to install those dict files.
Jun 12 15:50:00 <SpeedEvil> ls -l .stardict/dic/
Jun 12 15:50:00 <SpeedEvil> drwx------    2 user     users        4096 Jun 12 16:49 stardict-English_French-2.4.2
Jun 12 15:50:03 <SpeedEvil> that look sane?
Jun 12 15:51:51 <MohammadAG51> i removed /bin/tar and symlinked /usr/bin/gnu/tar to it
Jun 12 15:53:29 <SpeedEvil> fureddo:  ls -l .stardict/dic/*
Jun 12 15:53:29 <SpeedEvil> -rw-r--r--    1 user     users      482640 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.dict.dz
Jun 12 15:53:29 <SpeedEvil> -rw-r--r--    1 user     users      768420 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.idx
Jun 12 15:53:29 <SpeedEvil> -rw-r--r--    1 user     users         217 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.ifo
Jun 12 15:53:31 <fureddo> Yes, it looks good
Jun 12 15:53:48 <SpeedEvil> I tried moving them back a dir - when it diddn't pick them up
Jun 12 15:54:10 <fureddo> No...  I think you must have a directory named with the dict.
Jun 12 15:54:16 <SpeedEvil> k
Jun 12 15:55:28 <SpeedEvil> Fixed that - they are now in a subdir - ~/.stardict/dic/stardict-English_French-2.4.
Jun 12 15:55:38 <fureddo> Looks better.
Jun 12 15:55:43 <SpeedEvil> And I go to configure, click 'dictionaries - and get what appears to be an empty list
Jun 12 15:56:03 <fureddo> Have you checked the stardict plugins?
Jun 12 15:56:21 <fureddo> You may have to restart the application too.
Jun 12 15:56:26 <SpeedEvil> no
Jun 12 15:56:39 <fureddo> Can you check it?
Jun 12 15:56:56 <RST38h> Oh fuck...glColorPointer() apparently does not like integer color components
Jun 12 15:57:07 <SpeedEvil> the 'i' and spanner do nothing on the settings page - just tick and dismiss the window?
Jun 12 15:57:31 <jacekowski> RST38h: that's because you didn't read the friendly manual
Jun 12 15:57:36 <fureddo> If you select stardict plugin, can you click the wrench button?
Jun 12 15:57:40 <SpeedEvil> no
Jun 12 15:57:56 <fureddo> Then the bug is still there.
Jun 12 15:58:04 <SpeedEvil> It lights up, then dims as soon as I touch it to the same as it looked before.
Jun 12 15:58:05 <fureddo> Most probably.
Jun 12 15:58:08 <SpeedEvil> Would strace be of use?
Jun 12 15:58:12 <RST38h> jacekowski: URL of the friendly manual?
Jun 12 15:58:25 <fureddo> Maybe.
Jun 12 15:58:41 <jacekowski> http://www.khronos.org/opengles/documentation/opengles1_0/html/glColorPointer.html
Jun 12 15:59:02 <fureddo> But I think that the previous error message: "The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config"
Jun 12 15:59:21 <RST38h> oh fuck
Jun 12 15:59:27 <fureddo> means something...
Jun 12 15:59:32 <RST38h> it does not take GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE either though
Jun 12 15:59:36 <fureddo> For someone :-)
Jun 12 16:00:20 <SpeedEvil> fureddo: http://www.mauve.plus.com/qs - strace - in a few mins when it's finished uploading
Jun 12 16:00:36 <fureddo> Ok
Jun 12 16:01:13 <fureddo> Tell me when it's done.
Jun 12 16:02:37 <SpeedEvil> Ok - gzip is more sane
Jun 12 16:02:40 <SpeedEvil> qs.gz
Jun 12 16:02:43 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: what's the problem?
Jun 12 16:02:47 <SpeedEvil> up in 5s
Jun 12 16:02:48 <fureddo> I think it's a Qt bug.
Jun 12 16:02:49 <SpeedEvil> ?
Jun 12 16:02:52 <SpeedEvil> WRT what?
Jun 12 16:02:58 <jacekowski> bzip2 or lzm
Jun 12 16:03:01 <jacekowski> lzma
Jun 12 16:03:03 <SpeedEvil> I just cut through the lead of my hedgetrimmer
Jun 12 16:03:15 <SpeedEvil> I don't think that's directly related though
Jun 12 16:03:23 <jacekowski> well, the software problem
Jun 12 16:03:37 <jacekowski> not your home problems
Jun 12 16:04:35 <SpeedEvil> IT wouldn't undo a bz2
Jun 12 16:05:04 <jacekowski> your hedge trimmer?
Jun 12 16:05:10 <SpeedEvil> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Jun 12 16:05:14 <SpeedEvil> oops
Jun 12 16:05:44 <inz> SpeedEvil, are you sure you escaped it enough?
Jun 12 16:06:24 <MohammadAG51> lol
Jun 12 16:06:51 <MohammadAG51> I wonder what would've happened if he type s/\/\/
Jun 12 16:07:10 <inz> Too late now ;)
Jun 12 16:07:14 <jacekowski> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Jun 12 16:07:18 <MohammadAG51> lol
Jun 12 16:07:19 <jacekowski> s/\/\/
Jun 12 16:07:19 <infobot> jacekowski meant: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\...
Jun 12 16:07:28 <jacekowski> s/\/\/g
Jun 12 16:07:28 <infobot> jacekowski meant: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\...
Jun 12 16:07:30 <inz> Just as I guessed.
Jun 12 16:07:35 <MohammadAG51> oops
Jun 12 16:07:47 <MohammadAG51> i meant s/\///
Jun 12 16:07:48 <inz> The "regex" engine in infobot is far from regex =)
Jun 12 16:08:02 <MohammadAG51> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Jun 12 16:08:06 <MohammadAG51> s/\///
Jun 12 16:08:07 <satmd> stop it please
Jun 12 16:08:24 <l0up> dudes
Jun 12 16:08:30 <jacekowski> yeah
Jun 12 16:08:34 <jacekowski> let's be adult
Jun 12 16:08:59 * MohammadAG51 switches to sed
Jun 12 16:09:42 <SpeedEvil> Sigh
Jun 12 16:09:55 <SpeedEvil> It was me putting my soldering iron down on my keyboard
Jun 12 16:12:01 <crashanddie> \\\
Jun 12 16:12:10 <crashanddie> s/\//\//
Jun 12 16:12:25 <crashanddie> infobot: you serve nothing
Jun 12 16:12:42 <crashanddie> or maybe it does...
Jun 12 16:12:45 <jacekowski> rapuyama is for 3g and gazoo for 2g?
Jun 12 16:12:48 <crashanddie> \\\
Jun 12 16:12:53 <crashanddie> s/\\/\//
Jun 12 16:12:55 <korhojoa> crashanddie: why would you do that?
Jun 12 16:13:20 <jacekowski> osomebody fucked up the bot
Jun 12 16:13:22 <jacekowski> ~flashing
Jun 12 16:13:23 <infobot> somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 12 16:13:28 <crashanddie> ~rape jacekowski
Jun 12 16:13:28 <jacekowski> hmm
Jun 12 16:13:28 <jacekowski> no
Jun 12 16:13:34 <crashanddie> oh :(
Jun 12 16:13:39 <crashanddie> ~nuke jacekowski
Jun 12 16:13:40 <jacekowski> crashanddie: she's ignoring you
Jun 12 16:13:43 <crashanddie> why?
Jun 12 16:13:53 <jacekowski> she can sense bad people
Jun 12 16:13:57 <crashanddie> s/?/!/
Jun 12 16:13:59 <infobot> crashanddie meant: why!
Jun 12 16:14:11 <jacekowski> fail
Jun 12 16:14:22 <crashanddie> ~commands
Jun 12 16:14:27 <crashanddie> ~help
Jun 12 16:14:40 <crashanddie> ~unlobotomy
Jun 12 16:14:47 <crashanddie> god dayum
Jun 12 16:14:56 <crashanddie> ~facstats
Jun 12 16:15:03 <crashanddie> ~factstats
Jun 12 16:15:05 <korhojoa> wellthen
Jun 12 16:23:45 <crashanddie> TALK
Jun 12 16:24:02 * MohammadAG51 talks
Jun 12 16:26:20 <LuciusMare> Hi, I've forgot the password to the device, it's not locked, I got root privs, I just forgot the password - can I change it?
Jun 12 16:27:03 <MohammadAG51> the root pass?
Jun 12 16:27:08 <MohammadAG51> just type passwd
Jun 12 16:28:46 <LuciusMare> No, the pass that is asked for at locked screen
Jun 12 16:29:26 <MohammadAG51> didn't you ask about it the other day?
Jun 12 16:29:38 <MohammadAG51> And I said search for a method by qwerty12
Jun 12 16:31:35 <DocScrutinizer> and I second on that
Jun 12 16:34:51 <jacekowski> and i do
Jun 12 16:37:20 <lcuk> anything good on telly tonight
Jun 12 16:37:24 * satmd had a fun idea (and posted it to the wrong channel)
Jun 12 16:37:41 <satmd> I sit in a thunder and wondered if my n900 could calculate the distance for me
Jun 12 16:38:07 <crashanddie> lcuk: england vs usa
Jun 12 16:38:27 <lcuk> yeah i saw that was on crashanddie
Jun 12 16:38:34 <lcuk> but i did say anythin good ;)
Jun 12 16:38:43 <DocScrutinizer2> kids!
Jun 12 16:38:50 <DocScrutinizer2> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Jun 12 16:38:59 <crashanddie> lcuk: I think the queen should bet with obama. If England wins, they start using -ise and more u's in their words. If USA wins, we start using -ize and remove all of our scrabble-cheating u's, h's and g's.
Jun 12 16:39:24 <DocScrutinizer2> s/\/\ll\\l\ll\\\/
Jun 12 16:39:24 <infobot> DocScrutinizer2 meant: \ll\\l\ll\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Jun 12 16:39:29 <DocScrutinizer2> s/\/\ll\\l\ll\\\/g
Jun 12 16:39:29 <lcuk> if its a draw, we all pitch in and go cleanup the oil
Jun 12 16:39:30 <infobot> DocScrutinizer2 meant: \ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\
Jun 12 16:39:38 <Appiah> haha
Jun 12 16:39:52 <crashanddie> lcuk: sure, I'm happy to be neither part of the US or UK then :D
Jun 12 16:40:11 <crashanddie> anyway, going to the shops, 'later
Jun 12 16:42:11 <DocScrutinizer2> satmd: we had that topic. It seems you need to exploit the camera to detect the lightning
Jun 12 16:42:22 <frals> lcuk: i ate at your favorite pizzereia yesterday ;D
Jun 12 16:42:33 <satmd> :(
Jun 12 16:42:50 <DocScrutinizer2> satmd: and of course mic and sw audio analysis to detect the arrival of thunder
Jun 12 16:43:10 <satmd> :)
Jun 12 16:43:17 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, the world cup is good :P
Jun 12 16:43:22 <DocScrutinizer2> or you simply create a stopwatch that counts 333/s
Jun 12 16:43:25 <MohammadAG51> last game was lulz
Jun 12 16:44:27 <DocScrutinizer2> satmd: you *might* check if you can exploit the FMRX to detect nearby lightning EM
Jun 12 16:44:38 <satmd> hm
Jun 12 16:44:42 <Mece> MohammadAG51, who are you cheering for?
Jun 12 16:44:58 <DrGrov> Where can I see the new themes for N900?
Jun 12 16:45:02 <DocScrutinizer2> on an empty (silent) channel it might work
Jun 12 16:45:45 <MohammadAG51> Mece, USA, to annoy a certain english fan :P
Jun 12 16:45:56 <fureddo> SpeedEvil, I must go to bed now.  It's almost 2am here.  I will take a look to the strace tomorrow.  Bye!
Jun 12 16:47:00 <Mece> MohammadAG51, LOL. though I meant in general.
Jun 12 16:47:42 <fureddo> SpeedEvil, Thanks for your time.
Jun 12 16:48:26 <DrGrov> MohammadAG: any way to find themes for the N900 from reliable sources?
Jun 12 16:48:34 <jacekowski> DIY
Jun 12 16:48:58 <SmokeyD> hey everyone, I am trying to connect to openvpn from my n900, but when I press "connect" the phone waits a few secs and then alerts "socket.connect() failed".
Jun 12 16:49:14 <SmokeyD> any ideas what's wrong?
Jun 12 16:49:54 <BCMM> DrGrov: ovi store or app manager
Jun 12 16:50:32 <BCMM> DrGrov: and why did you highlight MohammadAG?
Jun 12 16:50:49 <DrGrov> BCMM: ah ok. i highlight MohammadAG since he is always been very kind and helpful.
Jun 12 16:51:20 <BCMM> imho app manager should have a catagory for themes, but it doesn't
Jun 12 16:51:28 <MiXu-_> I agree
Jun 12 16:51:51 <MiXu-_> In my opinion app manager is the worst app of N900 right after the RSS reader
Jun 12 16:51:51 <BCMM> you can search for themes though, or list the catagory they are in (i forget which one - "Desktop"?) by size
Jun 12 16:51:52 <DrGrov> BCMM: agreed
Jun 12 16:51:58 <BCMM> the themes are all huge
Jun 12 16:52:14 <BCMM> also, i dunno where list by size has gone in 1.2
Jun 12 16:52:27 <MiXu-_> The fact that it's only a GUI for apt is a bit disappointing.
Jun 12 16:52:45 <BCMM> DrGrov: anyway, there is a section on ovi store
Jun 12 16:53:00 <BCMM> MiXu-_: well, what else does it need to do?
Jun 12 16:53:16 <MiXu-_> BCMM: If you've got a lot of repos it is painfully slow
Jun 12 16:53:26 <BCMM> is list by size entirely gone in 1.2?
Jun 12 16:53:37 <MiXu-_> take a look at appdownloader in extras
Jun 12 16:53:42 <MiXu-_> That's much better.
Jun 12 16:53:51 <BCMM> i mean, it's not a big deal for install, but it's very useful for uninstalling
Jun 12 16:54:02 <BCMM> MiXu-_: is that an alternative apt frontend?
Jun 12 16:54:02 <MiXu-_> Don't know about that.
Jun 12 16:54:13 <MiXu-_> BCMM: No. It's a extras frontend.
Jun 12 16:54:40 <MiXu-_> Technical stuff aside, it's much more user friendly.
Jun 12 16:54:56 <MiXu-_> And you can actually see comments/screenshots/whatnot about the app in question.
Jun 12 16:55:01 <MiXu-_> Plus it's much snappier.
Jun 12 16:55:10 <BCMM> snappier is a gooooood thing
Jun 12 16:55:21 <BCMM> i feel like it got slower in 1.2, but am not entirely sure
Jun 12 16:56:31 <DrGrov> BCMM: good though i really hate ovi store.
Jun 12 16:57:38 <DrGrov> I am trying to find something extremely useful for my N900
Jun 12 16:57:51 <DrGrov> Trying to customize it perfectly for my needs but I can not seem to get it done
Jun 12 16:58:19 <MiXu-_> Have you tried extras-testing and extras-devel?
Jun 12 16:58:22 <DrGrov> I just keep my fiancee, Conversations and Phone as shortcuts available on the desktop.
Jun 12 16:58:31 <DrGrov> No, I maybe should really start to do this ;)
Jun 12 16:58:54 <DrGrov> MiXu-_: It feels like something is kind of "missing" on my current setup
Jun 12 17:01:57 <BCMM> you need a little desktop button that makes the thing go "beep"
Jun 12 17:03:44 <Mece> DrGrov, well, as a reference, I've got 14 contacts, 21 shortcuts, widgets: calendar, personal ip, media player, transmitter, comic widget and world cup widget.
Jun 12 17:04:02 <Mece> it's crowded but not cramped :-)
Jun 12 17:04:14 <xDaReaperx> Hi
Jun 12 17:06:30 <MiXu-> I've got the facebook app as well. Although it is pretty useless.
Jun 12 17:07:12 <MiXu-> It should at least be scrollable and you should be able to post stuff.
Jun 12 17:07:23 <MiXu-> I use mauku for posting now.
Jun 12 17:07:37 <BCMM> yeah, glorified RSS reader
Jun 12 17:08:01 <xDaReaperx> yeah i wished There was an official FB and twitter app
Jun 12 17:08:04 <xDaReaperx> for maemo
Jun 12 17:08:22 <MiXu-> mauku is pretty good for twitter
Jun 12 17:08:30 <MiXu-> I have no complaints
Jun 12 17:09:40 <xDaReaperx> wat about witter and tweego
Jun 12 17:15:44 <Jaffa> Anyone got iodine and DNS tunnelling working on Maemo 5?
Jun 12 17:15:45 <Mece> I use witter. I need the features.
Jun 12 17:18:10 <konfoo> guys anyone built gstreamer for maemo bleeding edge with rtsp support?
Jun 12 17:31:24 <lcuk> frals lol
Jun 12 17:31:35 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, mmm kinda
Jun 12 17:32:14 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, pregame started, kick off is 58 mins from now
Jun 12 17:32:24 <MohammadAG51> USA vs England
Jun 12 17:32:24 * lcuk rolleyes
Jun 12 17:32:33 <lcuk> ill find out the score anyway whether i watch it or not
Jun 12 17:32:34 <Mece> FTW!
Jun 12 17:32:50 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, it's the fake stuff that's fun
Jun 12 17:32:52 <lcuk> but i think i best had vanish, i can at least do some lounging around
Jun 12 17:33:01 <lcuk> what fake stuff?
Jun 12 17:33:07 <MohammadAG51> like when a player dives face forward into the ground to get a foul
Jun 12 17:33:11 <lcuk> the only shocking thing ive heard so far are those damned air horns
Jun 12 17:33:15 <MohammadAG51> seen that twice
Jun 12 17:33:25 <MohammadAG51> yeah, they sound like a huge bee hive
Jun 12 17:38:50 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: england is bad
Jun 12 17:38:55 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: but not that bad
Jun 12 17:39:56 <jacekowski> what would be simplest way of veryfing if phone is really charging?
Jun 12 17:40:28 <MohammadAG51> touch the metal cable and see if you get electricuted
Jun 12 17:40:30 <MohammadAG51> :P
Jun 12 17:40:44 <jacekowski> ( i need some way of keeping phone charged when bme is paused )
Jun 12 17:40:59 <MohammadAG51> test voltage?
Jun 12 17:41:31 <lcuk> put a glass of water down, if it starts to shake jurrasic park style, the n900 is charging towards you
Jun 12 17:41:52 <jacekowski> lcuk: i'll have to try that
Jun 12 17:42:31 <jacekowski> lcuk: it's either not working or n900 isn't charging
Jun 12 17:42:37 <jacekowski> ( towards me )
Jun 12 17:44:05 <xDaReaperx> glass of water down ?
Jun 12 17:44:13 <xDaReaperx> wont the N900 spoil ?
Jun 12 17:44:17 <lcuk> you could use multiple glasses of water and triangulate i suppose
Jun 12 17:51:06 <lcuk> damn missed the start of doctor who
Jun 12 17:51:09 <lcuk> will have to watch later
Jun 12 17:52:58 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: when bme is stopped,then there's no way to keep device charging - except starting jrbme instead
Jun 12 17:53:31 <lardman> evening chaps
Jun 12 17:53:42 <crashanddie> shitstorm flying on TMO
Jun 12 17:53:43 <crashanddie> woohooo
Jun 12 17:53:49 <lardman> hey crashanddie
Jun 12 17:54:19 <crashanddie> hey lardy, howzit?
Jun 12 17:54:38 <lardman> not bad, finally got some time to fix my linux box and do some coding
Jun 12 17:54:57 <lardman> and just ordered a new pc so I'll havr to do it all again anyway
Jun 12 17:55:37 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: well, i2cset
Jun 12 17:56:22 <crashanddie> lardman: cool
Jun 12 17:56:29 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Discharging to under 3.7v, then plugging in the charger for under 32 mins
Jun 12 17:56:37 <lardman> crashanddie: and you?
Jun 12 17:58:04 <crashanddie> bha
Jun 12 17:58:11 <crashanddie> finding jobs is hard, and boring
Jun 12 17:58:28 <lardman> hmm, yeah I can imagine
Jun 12 17:58:58 <lardman> where you looking, la France?
Jun 12 17:59:55 <Mece> where's the shitstorm on tmo? url plz?
Jun 12 18:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: jrbme for now is just a script using i2ctools
Jun 12 18:01:39 <crashanddie> Mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56008
Jun 12 18:10:28 <lardman> crashanddie: ah, the wonders of forum moderation
Jun 12 18:14:32 <pupnik> i don't see how people get thier thinkpads down to <8 watts current draw
Jun 12 18:15:18 <lardman> pull out the CPU? ;)
Jun 12 18:17:04 <crashanddie> turn it off?
Jun 12 18:17:09 <crashanddie> then it's under 8 watts
Jun 12 18:18:07 <MohammadAG51> lardman, tbh I'd close that thread if I were a mod
Jun 12 18:18:17 <MohammadAG51> it'll eventually be closed, so why waste time
Jun 12 18:21:30 <GAN900> lardman, you ever get an answer from Reggie?
Jun 12 18:21:59 <GAN900> lardman, personally, I'm ok with "Because I don't like your stupid face". :P
Jun 12 18:22:02 <lardman> MohammadAG: I'm no longer a mod, so I'm not really bothered
Jun 12 18:22:06 <lardman> GAN900: no, nothing
Jun 12 18:22:15 <GAN900> Bizarre
Jun 12 18:22:33 <lardman> GAN900: yeah, a reason would be nice, but in the absence I'll just get on with the rest of my rather busy life and not worry too much
Jun 12 18:23:09 <lardman> cursing QT Creator is taking up 100% of my time in the current 10min slice anyway ;)
Jun 12 18:24:37 <lardman> aargh, why oh why does it not want to just work
Jun 12 18:24:38 <lardman> ?
Jun 12 18:25:26 <lardman> create a new .ui file, try to go to the slot definiation for a pushbutton and it moans about not finding the header file for the window
Jun 12 18:25:39 <lardman> hmm, definition even
Jun 12 18:26:42 * lardman quietly thinks to himself that they should make it Visual Basic easy, or not bother encouraging people and let them write ui code themselves
Jun 12 18:29:05 <MohammadAG51> kick off in a bit
Jun 12 18:38:26 <xDaReaperx> Hi
Jun 12 18:38:37 <xDaReaperx> i think i found a bug in Health check tool
Jun 12 18:40:41 <xDaReaperx> http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8093/screenshot2010061210035.png
Jun 12 18:40:43 <xDaReaperx> see that
Jun 12 18:41:41 <xDaReaperx> each field is capable to be replace by the CPU current freq field , by just clicking once on the CPU current freq field and clicking the other field
Jun 12 18:45:55 * GAN900 chuckles at the World Cup on ABC
Jun 12 18:51:50 <Mece> gotta save some batteries. mece out.
Jun 12 18:52:51 <Stskeeps> ...
Jun 12 18:52:54 <Stskeeps> penguinbait's at it again?
Jun 12 18:56:30 <Stskeeps> lo tomasz
Jun 12 18:56:43 <TomaszD> lo Stskeeps
Jun 12 18:57:01 <TomaszD> @ a rally meetup
Jun 12 18:57:03 * Stskeeps is seriously considering to add talk.maemo.org to his hostname ban list
Jun 12 18:57:28 <xDaReaperx> lol y ?
Jun 12 18:57:53 <Stskeeps> the current mood reminds me a lot like the giraffe in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c
Jun 12 18:57:53 <TomaszD> brb, next beer
Jun 12 18:59:04 * MohammadAG adds talk.maemo.org to Stskeeps's hostname ban list
Jun 12 18:59:13 * MohammadAG bans Stskeeps from tmo
Jun 12 18:59:14 <kW_> Stskeeps: Hi, I'm currently using your boot-menu :-)
Jun 12 18:59:19 <GAN900> Stskeeps, community isn't SO bad.
Jun 12 18:59:20 <Stskeeps> kW_: fanoush'es :)
Jun 12 18:59:20 <xDaReaperx> MohammadAg did you see this?  http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8093/screenshot2010061210035.png
Jun 12 18:59:29 <xDaReaperx> its a bug which i mentioned above in health check tool
Jun 12 18:59:35 <MohammadAG> xDaReaperx, yeah I had it once
Jun 12 18:59:40 <xDaReaperx> Hmm
Jun 12 18:59:42 <Stskeeps> GAN900: it is comparable at the moment :P
Jun 12 18:59:52 <kW_> Stskeeps: well, this one http://maemo.org/packages/view/bootmenu-n900/
Jun 12 19:00:05 <Stskeeps> kW_: yeah, we commonly attribute it to fanoush as he made it
Jun 12 19:00:15 <Stskeeps> GAN900: did you see penguinbait's thread? :P
Jun 12 19:00:17 <kW_> ah, I see
Jun 12 19:01:00 <kW_> Stskeeps: I'm currently using it to build booting from an encrypted root filesystem
Jun 12 19:01:17 <Stskeeps> should be possible, i'd be wary of watchdogs though
Jun 12 19:01:56 <kW_> Stskeeps: what exactly do you mean?
Jun 12 19:02:13 <Stskeeps> kW_: if you take too long time starting up, the watchdogs will get you
Jun 12 19:02:25 <GAN900> Stskeeps, nurp
Jun 12 19:02:27 <kW_> ah, I see
Jun 12 19:02:54 <Stskeeps> GAN900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56008
Jun 12 19:02:55 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, still want that pic
Jun 12 19:03:18 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: yeah, i'll ask bogna to get it for you - her birthday today
Jun 12 19:03:37 <kW_> Stskeeps: is there information on watchdogs (when they start, how long they take until they become active, ...)?
Jun 12 19:04:31 <DocScrutinizer2> arfarfarf <watchdog biting Stskeeps' ass>
Jun 12 19:04:48 <GAN900> Stskeeps, love it.
Jun 12 19:05:04 <GAN900> Stskeeps, well, you know my feelings on the subject(s). ;)
Jun 12 19:05:07 <DocScrutinizer2> kW_: you can disable then in R&D mode anyway
Jun 12 19:05:13 <DocScrutinizer2> tem
Jun 12 19:05:17 <DocScrutinizer2> omfg
Jun 12 19:05:22 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer2: there was a wd in bq* btw?
Jun 12 19:05:32 <DocScrutinizer2> kW_: you can disable those watchdogs in R&D mode anyway
Jun 12 19:05:41 <DocScrutinizer2> Stskeeps: yes
Jun 12 19:05:45 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, oh, tell her a happy birthday from me then :)
Jun 12 19:05:49 <Stskeeps> how does it work, out of curiousity
Jun 12 19:06:57 <TomaszD> it's god damned too loud to talk here
Jun 12 19:07:02 <DocScrutinizer2> Stskeeps: if system starts to talk to bq24150, then the WD is awake. When system fails to feed it for >32s nominal (aktually >12s) then bq24150 restes to defaults
Jun 12 19:07:49 <DocScrutinizer2> Stskeeps: defaults pretty much means safe bootstrap charge mode enabled
Jun 12 19:08:17 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Jun 12 19:09:04 <DocScrutinizer2> (3.7V max charge Voltage, 100/500mA max charge current, timeout 32min)
Jun 12 19:12:09 <DocScrutinizer2> Stskeeps: so in that mode, which obviously also is the power-on reset mode, you can charge a dead battery to ~250mAh (500mA*32min) with the dedicated charger, even without system booted
Jun 12 19:14:23 <DocScrutinizer2> this should suffice to cleanly boot up NOLO and enable normal charging (though I'm not sure if NOLO does that, or you need the play-dead/softoff minimal unix system + BME to manage the bq24150 WD)
Jun 12 19:15:08 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer2, ENG 1 - 1 USA, I suggest bolting the door
Jun 12 19:15:53 <DocScrutinizer2> nah, American Forces have no longer any troops here
Jun 12 19:16:00 <DocScrutinizer2> England neither
Jun 12 19:16:50 <DocScrutinizer2> Greece, Italy, Spain, that's the major threat here in my possee
Jun 12 19:17:29 <DocScrutinizer2> and of course first and foremost the Germans ;-P
Jun 12 19:18:40 <GAN900> MohammadAG, I'm rioting as soon as the game's over.
Jun 12 19:18:47 <GAN900> Gon get me uh new TV!
Jun 12 19:19:43 <MohammadAG> GAN900, XD, I'm watching it online
Jun 12 19:22:12 <xDaReaperx> lol
Jun 12 19:30:25 <ksale> hi, came from maemo wiki, need help
Jun 12 19:31:25 <ksale> my n900 has unstable sound.
Jun 12 19:32:16 <xDaReaperx> unstable sound?
Jun 12 19:34:01 <ksale> goes off when player is paused and device is locked. Also sometimes plugging/unplugging headset creates the same effect.
Jun 12 19:34:21 <pupnik> only speakers or headset goes off also?
Jun 12 19:35:51 <ksale> both
Jun 12 19:38:49 <crashanddie> aah, the joys of having to go through level 1 support with my ISP
Jun 12 19:39:06 * crashanddie remembers the days when I used to work for them, and had a direct number to lvl 3 support...
Jun 12 19:39:40 <crashanddie> and it was "cheaper", because it was a local number, so free to dial, whereas this is .3 euros a minute
Jun 12 19:41:28 <ksale> I'll try to be  more specific -- device has just turned on, headset is on, media (mp3) plays with sound. Then I switch to internet radio, and sound disappears. Return back to mp3 -- no sound.  WiFi account is enabled and stable.
Jun 12 19:46:19 * kirma has sort of hard time understanding what and why on earth nokia folks have done with v4l2 camera drivers and gstreamer v4l2camsrc to make it so that getting raw (bayer filter level) 10-bit-per-pixel image from sensor should be trivial, but it's pretty much not so
Jun 12 19:48:01 <kirma> with plain v4l2 it's "simple", but then again everything else becomes unnecessarily complicated without gstreamer additions
Jun 12 19:48:24 <GAN900> crashanddie, I hate having to go through the bullshit phase.
Jun 12 19:48:52 <crashanddie> GAN900: "turn off, check it's plugged in, bla bla bla"
Jun 12 19:48:53 <GAN900> Back in the day Sears would make you wipe your whole machine before they'd honor the warranty
Jun 12 19:49:09 <GAN900> and I didn't have enough guile back then to lie to them
Jun 12 19:49:36 <vldcnst> crashanddie: my ISP support won't even answer any questions if I'm using a router, they say they don't support routers. Even if the problem is at their end, imagine that.
Jun 12 19:49:37 <GAN900> So I wiped that stupid iMac 4 times in as many years for fried ethernet hardware. . . .
Jun 12 19:49:39 <crashanddie> problem is, there must be so many people trying to bullshit their way through lvl 1 because they think they understand what's happening
Jun 12 19:49:59 <GAN900> Yeah
Jun 12 19:50:17 <crashanddie> anyone watching usa vs uk?
Jun 12 19:50:26 <GAN900> I've dealt with my fair share of it myself.
Jun 12 19:50:29 <crashanddie> 1080p HD on a projector... not too bad
Jun 12 19:50:30 <GAN900> crashanddie, on at work.
Jun 12 19:51:36 <crashanddie> I'm actually surprised the US managed to score
Jun 12 19:51:50 <GAN900> lol
Jun 12 19:52:05 <crashanddie> I was kinda imagining them coming out on the field with all the padding and everything: "Whadyamean, not that kind of football dude?"
Jun 12 19:54:30 <kirma> I must say that I don't quite comprehend what exactly happens to the SGRBG-style pixel encoding once it has crossed to userland and to gstcamerasrc code, though. pipelines seem... strange, referring components not visible with gst-inspect.
Jun 12 19:55:29 <DocScrutinizer2> crashanddie: :-D
Jun 12 19:55:43 <GAN900> Texrat seriously needs to try just ignoring these threads.
Jun 12 19:55:50 <crashanddie> he does
Jun 12 19:57:35 <Stskeeps> i wouldn't mind Texrat in a role where following up on every single comment would be needed
Jun 12 20:07:07 <GAN900> lol
Jun 12 20:07:38 <GAN900> He always loses perspective in the trenches.
Jun 12 20:08:42 <lcuk> ##world-cup channel is very noisey and sweary :D
Jun 12 20:09:18 <GAN900> Even though I don't care one bit about soccer, England can go eat dirt. :P
Jun 12 20:09:25 <frals> bah ppl not reading first post in a thread and asking a question which has been answered a million times really makes me stay away from tmo
Jun 12 20:10:01 <kirma> supposedly kicking balls make people agitated
Jun 12 20:11:04 <BCMM> lcuk: aaaaah, that makes some sense
Jun 12 20:11:11 <BCMM> i thought outside was a bit weird today
Jun 12 20:11:36 <BCMM> is england playing, by any chance?
Jun 12 20:11:41 <MohammadAG> how do I restart X?
Jun 12 20:11:58 <lcuk> BCMM, was watching downstairs before but i got distracted
Jun 12 20:12:02 <MohammadAG> nvm, found it
Jun 12 20:12:17 <BCMM> that would explain a significant subset of the strange people in town
Jun 12 20:12:54 <crashanddie> lcuk: lol... it is noisy
Jun 12 20:14:53 <crashanddie> GAN900: haha, the bitch just hung op on me after being too difficult...
Jun 12 20:14:55 <lcuk> crashanddie, yeah its a bustling chan
Jun 12 20:16:25 <MohammadAG> two screens rock!
Jun 12 20:16:38 <MohammadAG> now if only I can figure out how to move windows between them
Jun 12 20:17:00 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: slide finger from the bottom right corner
Jun 12 20:17:07 <lcuk> MohammadAG, 2 big screens?
Jun 12 20:17:07 <GAN900> crashanddie, at the ISP?
Jun 12 20:17:14 <crashanddie> yeah
Jun 12 20:17:24 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, you're kidding right :P
Jun 12 20:17:27 <MohammadAG> lcuk, sec
Jun 12 20:17:37 <GAN900> crashanddie, call back and ask for her again.
Jun 12 20:17:57 <crashanddie> doing just that
Jun 12 20:19:01 <BCMM> MohammadAG: two screens on an n900?
Jun 12 20:19:14 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Oh - sorry - I'm not supposed to say anything about my n900-ds
Jun 12 20:19:45 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG
Jun 12 20:20:12 <MohammadAG> lcuk, basically, 2930x2074
Jun 12 20:20:26 <lcuk> so big desktop screens
Jun 12 20:20:50 <MohammadAG> yeah, but I can't figure out how to move windows between them
Jun 12 20:21:02 <MohammadAG> it runs on a separate X screen
Jun 12 20:21:06 <frals> must be an old screen doing 1280x1024!
Jun 12 20:21:29 <MohammadAG> I guess trouts do make you smart
Jun 12 20:22:01 <lcuk> MohammadAG, yeah thats the problem with proper distinct x instances
Jun 12 20:22:04 <lcuk> i have dual screen
Jun 12 20:22:08 <lcuk> but since x11
Jun 12 20:22:11 <lcuk> single
Jun 12 20:22:40 <MohammadAG> that's only possible if both screens are the right size, right?
Jun 12 20:22:48 <frals> not sure how that 2930 adds up thou.. some weird reso x1050 :<
Jun 12 20:22:49 <MohammadAG> s/right size/same res
Jun 12 20:23:06 <MohammadAG> 1680x1050 is standard on all 22" screens frals
Jun 12 20:23:24 <frals> 1280+1680 doesnt make 2930 me thinks!
Jun 12 20:23:31 <frals> two evens dont make an odd!
Jun 12 20:23:41 * frals remembers basic math
Jun 12 20:24:51 <BCMM> 2930 isn't odd!
Jun 12 20:24:53 * BCMM ducks
Jun 12 20:28:39 <DocScrutinizer2> ~1280 + 1680
Jun 12 20:28:39 <infobot> 2960
Jun 12 20:39:43 <kW_> Does anybody know how to resize the FAT32 partition on the eMMC card?
Jun 12 20:39:46 <RST38h> The CEO has accused workers of killing themselves for financial compensation, and the company has stopped suicide payments to suicide victims' families.
Jun 12 20:40:06 <Stskeeps> excellent
Jun 12 20:40:31 <SpeedEvil> kW_: copy off, mkfs.vfat
Jun 12 20:40:41 <SpeedEvil> copy on
Jun 12 20:41:06 <kW_> SpeedEvil: well, if nothing speaks against this approach...
Jun 12 20:41:21 <SpeedEvil> Worked for me.
Jun 12 20:41:40 <kW_> is it possible to export the _whole_ eMMC as a USB mass storage device instead of just one partition?
Jun 12 20:41:50 <SpeedEvil> Yes, but.
Jun 12 20:42:00 <SpeedEvil> You'd need to do some hackery.
Jun 12 20:42:08 <SpeedEvil> Also - if you export /home - things get messy
Jun 12 20:42:21 <MohammadAG51> unless youmre outside maemo
Jun 12 20:42:29 <SpeedEvil> Mounting a block device in two places at once is a generally bad idea
Jun 12 20:42:31 <SpeedEvil> Even if
Jun 12 20:42:41 <kW_> well, I'd unmount it on the maemo-side first
Jun 12 20:42:57 <MohammadAG51> is that even possible
Jun 12 20:43:01 <kW_> and I'd actually not touch the linux or swap partition
Jun 12 20:43:04 <MohammadAG51> without fscking up the device
Jun 12 20:43:12 <DocScrutinizer2> RST38h: sounds like china's big electronics factory
Jun 12 20:43:22 <kW_> just tell me, I'm not afraid to break the things, I just flashed it anyway
Jun 12 20:43:47 <SpeedEvil> kW_: You can't easily unmount home that way
Jun 12 20:44:36 <kW_> Well, I just want to export /dev/mmcblk0
Jun 12 20:44:52 <SpeedEvil> Why?
Jun 12 20:45:08 <kW_> because then it is much easier to make parted resize the partition and create a new partition
Jun 12 20:45:15 <kW_> (the FAT partition)
Jun 12 20:45:29 <SpeedEvil> copy data off fat partition.
Jun 12 20:45:36 <SpeedEvil> mkfs, and you're done.
Jun 12 20:45:51 <MohammadAG51> or use sfdisk
Jun 12 20:46:01 <MohammadAG51> makes me wonder
Jun 12 20:46:05 <DocScrutinizer2> not for the partition size thing
Jun 12 20:46:10 <MohammadAG51> gparted would be interesting
Jun 12 20:46:11 <kW_> well, in case I need to repair the FAT partiion, then the repair tools will find signatures of 2 fat partiions...
Jun 12 20:46:47 <kW_> SpeedEvil: do you know how to change the export settings? (I know what I do)
Jun 12 20:46:50 <DocScrutinizer2> cfdisk
Jun 12 20:46:51 <SpeedEvil> nope
Jun 12 20:46:55 * MohammadAG51 wonders if gparted is an ass to port
Jun 12 20:47:10 * MohammadAG51 also wonders if it'd expose the mtd blocks
Jun 12 20:47:13 <SpeedEvil> Hit up /etc/ with grep
Jun 12 20:48:10 <kW_> is it possible to add a generic debian repository to /etc/apt/sources.list in order to have much more software runnable on the N900?
Jun 12 20:48:36 <RST38h> a'ok...
Jun 12 20:48:37 <kW_> (for example, nbd-server, parted, fdisk, ...)
Jun 12 20:49:08 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if easy-debian has it in.
Jun 12 20:49:38 <MohammadAG51> would easy-debian even export the drives outside the chroot
Jun 12 20:49:38 <korhojoa> kW_: well, it is possible. not many things will work though
Jun 12 20:49:44 <MohammadAG51> hmm
Jun 12 20:49:59 <MohammadAG51> would be possible to mount --bind the dev nodes I guess
Jun 12 20:49:59 <kW_> korhojoa: is there a specific reason why this won't work?
Jun 12 20:50:08 <SpeedEvil> There are ways to mount stuff outside the chroot
Jun 12 20:50:18 <SpeedEvil> kW_: It is possible to get it to work.
Jun 12 20:50:34 <korhojoa> kW_: wrong libs and files in different places
Jun 12 20:50:39 <SpeedEvil> But it's going to be a couple of orders of magnitude easier to simply move it off, resize, move it back on.
Jun 12 20:51:04 <korhojoa> kW_: i've managed to install a thing or two, but that's about it. i downloaded the debs off the website though
Jun 12 20:52:03 <DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG51: didn't you say (was it you?) that all the USSD and network control codes work on 1.2?
Jun 12 20:52:15 <MohammadAG51> not all
Jun 12 20:52:26 <MohammadAG51> I told you one or two didn't work
Jun 12 20:52:51 <DocScrutinizer2> "maemo-users" <maemo-users@maemo.org> Tanuva <tanuva@googlemail.com>  subj:Re: Cannot turn off call forwarding
Jun 12 20:52:53 <MohammadAG51> ** ones i think
Jun 12 20:53:24 <kW_> SpeedEvil: well, I've copied it off, now I need to be able to delete or resize the partition, but sfdisk apparently does not have such options.... weird
Jun 12 20:54:04 <DocScrutinizer2> FSCK! I *knew* Nokia wouldn't achieve to fix it
Jun 12 20:55:09 <frals> was it an USSD that didnt work or was it a SS code or whatever they are called?
Jun 12 20:55:34 <SpeedEvil> kW_: apt-get install cfdisk
Jun 12 20:57:56 * SpeedEvil wonders why /var/adm/lastlog is 8 meg.
Jun 12 20:58:38 <SpeedEvil>  /var/log even
Jun 12 21:06:07 <MohammadAG> I'm sick of threads about closing threads making users sick of it
Jun 12 21:06:09 <MohammadAG> :P
Jun 12 21:06:45 <w00t_> MohammadAG: lol
Jun 12 21:06:58 <w00t_> meta discussions about discussions are always a bit like that
Jun 12 21:07:02 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/files/2005/09/giantsquid.jpg
Jun 12 21:08:49 <MohammadAG> w00t_, if only I could close that thread :P
Jun 12 21:08:56 <MohammadAG> the squid fell on him ^
Jun 12 21:09:27 <w00t_> I'm wondering if SD69 forgot his tinfoil hat
Jun 12 21:09:30 <MohammadAG> he survived it!
Jun 12 21:09:40 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, <MohammadAG> the squid fell on him ^
Jun 12 21:12:00 <opdf2> how many amps does n900 draw when under full load?
Jun 12 21:12:18 <SpeedEvil> opdf2: Around 1.
Jun 12 21:12:24 <opdf2> this car charger I have cant seem to charge with 500mA
Jun 12 21:12:24 <SpeedEvil> maybe a hair more
Jun 12 21:12:27 <opdf2> okay I see
Jun 12 21:12:38 <SpeedEvil> That's a seperate issue
Jun 12 21:12:55 <SpeedEvil> It needs to short the D+ and D- wires to be accepted as a charger
Jun 12 21:13:10 <opdf2> No I already have a dumb car charger
Jun 12 21:13:26 <GAN900> w00t_, that guy's a nut
Jun 12 21:13:54 <opdf2> It says "Charging." I just need a higher car charger output
Jun 12 21:14:03 <w00t_> GAN900: seen the post I'm talking about?
Jun 12 21:14:29 <SpeedEvil> opdf2: 500mA should pretty much charge it acceptably fast.
Jun 12 21:14:38 <GAN900> w00t_, not yet, probably.
Jun 12 21:14:53 <GAN900> "acceptably"
Jun 12 21:14:54 <opdf2> but while under full load? It'll only slow down depletion
Jun 12 21:15:00 <kW_> SpeedEvil: thank you, that worked so far :-)
Jun 12 21:15:17 <kW_> Now: Does anybody know which package for maemo contains the "blockdev" command?
Jun 12 21:15:18 <MiXu-> 1 amp at full load? That's more than just 100% cpu then. THere's gotta be radios and I/Os and shit simultaneously.
Jun 12 21:15:24 <kW_> ("util-linux" does not seem to contain it)
Jun 12 21:15:30 <SpeedEvil> If you're doing pretty much anything other than sharing 3G it will charge
Jun 12 21:15:32 <SpeedEvil> MiXu-: yes.
Jun 12 21:16:12 <w00t_> GAN900: see msg
Jun 12 21:16:15 <ali1234> mine charges when tethered
Jun 12 21:16:20 <MiXu-> The usual "high load" situation is more like 700mA the last I checked
Jun 12 21:16:21 <SpeedEvil> MiXu-: That's with flashlight on, streaming camera video, while maxing the CPU, with FM transmitter on, and acting as an AP sharing 3G doing bittorrent, with the screen max brightness.
Jun 12 21:16:32 <MiXu-> SpeedEvil: Ok, so you were really trying :D
Jun 12 21:16:46 <SpeedEvil> naah
Jun 12 21:17:16 <SpeedEvil> I diddn't even bother turning on the keyboard LEDs, notification LED, IR LED, and privacy LEDs, or the vibrator.
Jun 12 21:18:07 <opdf2> I usually use GPS and stream 3G while driving. Doesn't seem like 500mA is enough. I also used to have an 800mA charger but that broke
Jun 12 21:20:01 <jacekowski> opdf2: are you texting while driving as well?
Jun 12 21:20:24 <opdf2> I'm not that good
Jun 12 21:20:43 <jacekowski> http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/P/r/2/texting-while-driving.jpg
Jun 12 21:20:49 <MohammadAG> I tweet while driving
Jun 12 21:21:07 <lcuk> you arent old enough to ride a bmx, let alone drive a car
Jun 12 21:21:27 <HtheB> hi guys
Jun 12 21:21:27 <HtheB> :)
Jun 12 21:21:28 <HtheB> sup
Jun 12 21:21:32 <MiXu-> I irc while driving
Jun 12 21:21:41 <HtheB> MiXu-, you're nuts
Jun 12 21:21:48 <FauxFaux> I masturbate while driving.
Jun 12 21:22:00 <MiXu-> saves time
Jun 12 21:22:00 <HtheB> FauxFaux ftw!
Jun 12 21:22:06 <jacekowski> have you ever had sex while driving
Jun 12 21:22:06 <HtheB> rofl
Jun 12 21:22:09 <MohammadAG> lcuk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnout_Paradise
Jun 12 21:22:18 <HtheB> hey guys
Jun 12 21:22:20 <MiXu-> no :(
Jun 12 21:22:22 <lcuk> lolz MohammadAG
Jun 12 21:22:29 <HtheB> does anyone know about updating firmware from Symbian devices?
Jun 12 21:22:31 <HtheB> (N97)
Jun 12 21:22:35 <HtheB> I have some major problems over here
Jun 12 21:22:39 <MohammadAG> sure
Jun 12 21:22:41 <jacekowski> HtheB: just ask
Jun 12 21:22:50 <HtheB> I wanted to change a language
Jun 12 21:22:52 <MohammadAG> just plug it in and hit update
Jun 12 21:22:54 <HtheB> changed prod code
Jun 12 21:23:01 <jacekowski> that will fail
Jun 12 21:23:01 <HtheB> tried to update
Jun 12 21:23:12 <MohammadAG> <jacekowski> that will fail nah
Jun 12 21:23:14 <HtheB> jacekowski, it worked for me like a charm before
Jun 12 21:23:28 <HtheB> but now it just says: you already have the latest firmware
Jun 12 21:23:38 <MohammadAG> The N97 uses some weird shit, use Pheonix/JAF
Jun 12 21:23:44 <HtheB> but by default, I could install the firmware again
Jun 12 21:23:49 <HtheB> hmm
Jun 12 21:24:04 <HtheB> do I need a special box for it?
Jun 12 21:24:57 <HtheB> the Prod code is changed successfully
Jun 12 21:25:04 <HtheB> so... do I still have to use JAF?
Jun 12 21:25:21 <HtheB> latest version of Nemesis (NSS) supports N97
Jun 12 21:25:29 <PHiZiK> lol @ irc while driving, wouldn't that be epic :D
Jun 12 21:25:42 <HtheB> I changed some languages on N97 mini lately
Jun 12 21:25:53 <HtheB> it told me: you are on the latest firmware, but you can re install it
Jun 12 21:25:58 <HtheB> so that helped me out
Jun 12 21:26:12 <HtheB> but.... this time, I can only click on the Exit button :/
Jun 12 21:26:19 <MohammadAG> <HtheB> do I need a special box for it?
Jun 12 21:26:30 <MohammadAG> you need one that's as legal as the MP3s you're listening to
Jun 12 21:26:47 <lcuk> PHiZiK, speech synthesis and recognition would be cool
Jun 12 21:26:54 <lcuk> and the typo rate would be about the same
Jun 12 21:27:01 <HtheB> :D
Jun 12 21:27:06 <MiXu-> I saw a guy driving a mini excavator on a public road yesterday
Jun 12 21:27:08 <HtheB> you know what I mean MohammadAG :p
Jun 12 21:27:15 <MiXu-> He's driving ~1000km with that thing
Jun 12 21:27:19 <lcuk> MiXu-, the one driving across .fi?
Jun 12 21:27:22 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: I offer such a service for just $1/min.
Jun 12 21:27:22 <lcuk> :D
Jun 12 21:27:23 <MiXu-> Yup
Jun 12 21:27:32 <MiXu-> There was a guy walking behind it :D
Jun 12 21:27:33 <lcuk> awesome did you beep? :D
Jun 12 21:27:38 <MiXu-> Sure did :D
Jun 12 21:27:51 <lcuk> wicked, hes become a bit of a finnish hero
Jun 12 21:28:12 <MiXu-> I figured it would be slow but I didn't think it would be slow enough for someone to keep up with it by walking :D
Jun 12 21:28:17 <lcuk> hes heading all the way up to oulu isnt he?
Jun 12 21:28:22 <MiXu-> Kuusamo
Jun 12 21:29:14 <MiXu-> The trip takes 4 weeks :D
Jun 12 21:29:25 <MiXu-> I hope he has more summer holidays than that.
Jun 12 21:29:40 <Clasificado> hi all again
Jun 12 21:29:43 <lcuk> hes fully sponsored up for his epic endeavor tho
Jun 12 21:29:53 <MiXu-> sure
Jun 12 21:30:08 <jacekowski> there is nothing epic about it
Jun 12 21:30:14 <w00t_> evening lcuk
Jun 12 21:30:21 <jacekowski> there are more epic things that somebody can do
Jun 12 21:30:24 <w00t_> (& MiXu-, jacekowski :))
Jun 12 21:30:30 <jacekowski> morning
Jun 12 21:30:40 <jacekowski> it'll be morning in couple hours
Jun 12 21:30:45 <lcuk> jacekowski, you are only jealous because you didnt do it
Jun 12 21:30:47 <w00t_> true
Jun 12 21:30:48 <MiXu-> evening w00t
Jun 12 21:30:53 <lcuk> morning w00t_ \o
Jun 12 21:31:12 <w00t_> then again
Jun 12 21:31:16 <w00t_> the sun doesn't go down here very well
Jun 12 21:31:21 <jacekowski> lcuk: have you heard about jessica watson?
Jun 12 21:31:25 <w00t_> so I'm just going to start saying "good day"
Jun 12 21:31:30 <jacekowski> lcuk: that's epic
Jun 12 21:32:05 <lcuk> sure, but if it had been a gruff 30 year old bloke who did the same
Jun 12 21:32:11 <lcuk> he wouldnt have headlines
Jun 12 21:32:19 <lcuk> and he would have had to pay to be rescued
Jun 12 21:32:30 <jacekowski> well if he would do it in excavator
Jun 12 21:32:44 <jacekowski> he would get headlines
Jun 12 21:32:48 <lcuk> yes because many people sail around the world
Jun 12 21:33:02 <jacekowski> not that many do it single handed
Jun 12 21:33:03 <lcuk> but few take excavators on epic adventures
Jun 12 21:33:37 <MiXu-> The guy has a live webcam in the excavator
Jun 12 21:33:51 <jacekowski> guess i'll take road roller across the europe
Jun 12 21:33:52 <lcuk> link?
Jun 12 21:33:58 <MiXu-> I was trying to find myself from the footage yesterday but couldn't remember the exact spot I saw him at :D
Jun 12 21:34:06 <lcuk> jacekowski, a month ago, you wouldv made news
Jun 12 21:34:10 <MiXu-> just a sec
Jun 12 21:34:21 <lcuk> now around the world 100s of people went into offices and said "can we take our digger on a trip"
Jun 12 21:34:33 <MiXu-> http://bambuser.com/channel/hankokuusamo
Jun 12 21:34:39 <jacekowski> digger != roadroller
Jun 12 21:35:11 <lcuk> ahhh, thats your angle
Jun 12 21:35:14 <lcuk> i see what you did there
Jun 12 21:35:26 <MiXu-> The guy is constantly talking which is amazing
Jun 12 21:35:40 <lcuk> well MiXu- not much else you can do lol
Jun 12 21:35:45 <MiXu-> On the phone a lot of the time but still :D
Jun 12 21:35:48 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jun 12 21:35:50 <MiXu-> He talks by himself also :D
Jun 12 21:36:06 <MohammadAG> I wonder how much time repartitioning would take
Jun 12 21:36:48 <vldcnst> MiXu-: what kind of vehicle is that?
Jun 12 21:37:34 <MiXu-> vldcnst: http://www.on-kuljetus.com/sunward.jpg
Jun 12 21:37:35 <MiXu-> :D
Jun 12 21:38:02 <lcuk> hes like ace rimmer
Jun 12 21:38:06 <lcuk> "what a guy"
Jun 12 21:38:16 <MiXu-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvsgfT0ZeYE
Jun 12 21:38:43 <MiXu-> The speed cracks me up :D
Jun 12 21:38:43 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:/# yum install gparted <-- damn this looks awkward :P
Jun 12 21:39:16 <Clasificado> damn. compiling the kernel takes too much time. im impatient
Jun 12 21:39:18 * w00t_ blinks
Jun 12 21:39:31 <w00t_> a facebrick user requesting my help to evade their country blocking facebook
Jun 12 21:39:36 <w00t_> that's something I didn't expect to see
Jun 12 21:39:50 <MohammadAG> Clasificado, 10 minutes on an i5 locked @ 2.80GHz using 6 processes at the same time
Jun 12 21:40:06 <MohammadAG> including modules
Jun 12 21:40:11 <MohammadAG> and deb packages
Jun 12 21:41:53 <lcuk> MiXu-, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibNrYDjdY
Jun 12 21:43:28 <MohammadAG> any RPM techies here?
Jun 12 21:43:29 <MohammadAG> http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/fedora/pub/fedora/linux/updates/12/arm/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] PYCURL ERROR 6 - ""
Jun 12 21:43:29 <MohammadAG> Trying other mirror.
Jun 12 21:44:48 <GAN900> Local news: "iPhone G4 release"
Jun 12 21:45:03 <GAN900> Now that'll be some short battery life.
Jun 12 21:46:15 <MohammadAG> lol lcuk (vid)
Jun 12 21:47:06 <MiXu-> :D
Jun 12 21:47:22 <MiXu-> "Strictly butter side up"
Jun 12 21:47:42 <lcuk> red dwarf kicks ass
Jun 12 21:56:57 <DocScrutinizer2> w00t_: what exactly was it you didn't expect?
Jun 12 21:57:08 <w00t_> DocScrutinizer2: hrrm? oh, facebrick?
Jun 12 21:57:25 <w00t_> I didn't expect to have people contacting me saying "please help me evade my country's censorship", tbh
Jun 12 21:58:07 <lcuk> what censorship
Jun 12 22:00:02 <DocScrutinizer2> great chinese wall, pakistan madness, pick your favourite out of a dozen
Jun 12 22:00:49 <jacekowski> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2010/06/182_67319.html
Jun 12 22:01:01 <jacekowski> well, i was hosting tor exit node for a while
Jun 12 22:01:13 <jacekowski> amount of shit that was passing trough it was amazing
Jun 12 22:01:41 * BugBlue hints australia, bangladesh, turkey, germany, netherlands, uk, ...
Jun 12 22:01:42 <jacekowski> and i totally agree with countries blocking facebook
Jun 12 22:01:52 <jacekowski> facebook, myspace, hmm
Jun 12 22:01:54 <jacekowski> twitter
Jun 12 22:01:58 <jacekowski> that should be banned
Jun 12 22:02:36 <PHiZiK> facebook, never got what the big deal about it
Jun 12 22:02:46 <vldcnst> no one did
Jun 12 22:02:53 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer2, i was asking w00t_ specifically, because the same people censored should be censored for all facebook?
Jun 12 22:03:30 <jacekowski> btw. is there a tor client for n900?
Jun 12 22:03:43 <PHiZiK> yep
Jun 12 22:03:48 <SpeedEvil> Ban TMO~
Jun 12 22:03:51 <lcuk> jacekowski, agreeing with censorship for things you approve of might seem cool now
Jun 12 22:04:37 <lcuk> hiya lardman
Jun 12 22:06:43 <lardman> hey lcuk
Jun 12 22:08:42 * lcuk puts his beer down and boots a ball around the chan
Jun 12 22:09:14 <SpeedEvil> That's no ball!
Jun 12 22:09:19 <DocScrutinizer2> FOUL!
Jun 12 22:09:46 * SpeedEvil flies down the trench on the surface of the ball.
Jun 12 22:10:16 * SpeedEvil turns off the weapons using the power of visual basic.
Jun 12 22:10:39 <lcuk> o-O
Jun 12 22:10:43 <DocScrutinizer2> Visual Basic for Anarchists
Jun 12 22:11:15 <SpeedEvil> apt-get install bounce \ Reading package lists... Done \Building dependency tree        \Reading state information... Done \E: Handler silently failed
Jun 12 22:11:18 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Jun 12 22:11:43 <MiXu-> I get the same thing when I try to install Fennec 1.1 Beta :(
Jun 12 22:12:50 <MiXu-> If I do it via appmanager it just gets stuck while installing
Jun 12 22:13:41 <MiXu-> Hm. Or not. I tried again and it worked :o
Jun 12 22:14:23 <jacekowski> is X-Fade around?
Jun 12 22:25:57 <lcuk> lardman, expert opinion
Jun 12 22:25:59 <lcuk> required
Jun 12 22:26:10 <lcuk> whos the guy in the first picture http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2010/06/09/computer-workstations/
Jun 12 22:26:15 <lcuk> is it who i think it is
Jun 12 22:35:31 <jacekowski> does anybody know what is used to build maemo packages
Jun 12 22:35:40 <jacekowski> specificaly the 1st part that process input from dput
Jun 12 22:42:34 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Jun 12 22:51:17 <kthomas> anyway to get a nokia maps app running on an 810 at this point?
Jun 12 22:54:50 <jacekowski> i personally would try n900 version in chroot
Jun 12 22:59:20 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> is it possible to plug a higher quality recording mic into the n900?
Jun 12 23:00:04 <SpeedEvil> You can plug a mic into the headset connection.
Jun 12 23:00:25 <SpeedEvil> I haven';t looked at the maximum quality though. I _think_ it's a 16 bit ADC
Jun 12 23:01:08 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> yeah, I want to record a concert
Jun 12 23:01:14 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> and would like something optimal
Jun 12 23:01:24 <SpeedEvil> ok - not easily then
Jun 12 23:01:34 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> I'm surprised at how many random connectors work in that thing
Jun 12 23:01:39 <SpeedEvil> possibly in the future with a woeking USB host.
Jun 12 23:01:42 <SpeedEvil> Not now.
Jun 12 23:02:07 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> well, for now I'm sure I can get something higher quality than the voice mic
Jun 12 23:02:13 <SpeedEvil> I mwan - you can in principle plug a mic in - not that it will work if you just plug it in
Jun 12 23:02:22 <SpeedEvil> It will at best be mono.
Jun 12 23:02:33 <SpeedEvil> There are also bluetooth mics
Jun 12 23:02:41 <SpeedEvil> you could in principle use one of those
Jun 12 23:03:53 <SpeedEvil> However - that won't have supported software - so you'd need to implement that
Jun 12 23:04:04 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> well mono will be best anyway, because I can only be in one place at once with the n900 (unless it has the feature to split myself in two)
Jun 12 23:04:28 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> what software would you use for recording with the analogue mic in?
Jun 12 23:04:37 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure.
Jun 12 23:04:55 <SpeedEvil> anything that will record from the headset will work.
Jun 12 23:05:09 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if it's of reasonable quality - the A/D though
Jun 12 23:27:47 <DocScrutinizer2> also you need to take care about micbias setting and type of mic matching. Not any random mic will work
Jun 12 23:28:26 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jun 12 23:28:51 <DocScrutinizer2> recording with recorder should probably be fine, if S16 @ 48kHz is used
Jun 12 23:29:41 <DocScrutinizer2> also you'll need an adapter probably, to connect the mic to ring3 + 4(gnd)
Jun 12 23:29:58 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> yeah, where can I read about how that port works?
Jun 12 23:30:08 <DocScrutinizer2> mompls
Jun 12 23:30:13 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> it seems to magically be compatible with different types of 1/4" jacks
Jun 12 23:30:16 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> lol
Jun 12 23:31:02 <DocScrutinizer2> http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf
Jun 12 23:31:13 <DocScrutinizer2> is the best spec I know of
Jun 12 23:31:27 <DocScrutinizer2> Nokia's spec for the AV-connector is based on that one
Jun 12 23:32:50 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> cool thanks
Jun 12 23:33:00 <SpeedEvil> Not magically, there are internal switches
Jun 12 23:33:27 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> indeed, they are not magnets
Jun 12 23:33:29 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> (sorry)
Jun 12 23:33:32 <crashanddie> ljsdofuynsdfufuh: last time I'm warning about the nickname
Jun 12 23:33:38 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> oh shnap
Jun 12 23:33:49 <shorter> forgot it changes back when i log off
Jun 12 23:33:58 <crashanddie> np
Jun 12 23:36:01 <SpeedEvil> Magnets are not magic.
Jun 12 23:36:09 <konfoo> ah thats fucking great - the power kernel with modest OC can kill your device's battery
Jun 12 23:36:27 <SpeedEvil> They are based on the distortion of spacetime by the aligned spins of electrons in materials.
Jun 12 23:37:00 <shorter> indeed, terrible reference and I hate memetics
Jun 12 23:39:17 <DocScrutinizer2> konfoo: uhuh. I'd be more concerned about it killing my CPU though
Jun 12 23:40:02 <konfoo> doc: yeah well, it can kill your battery as well
Jun 12 23:40:14 <konfoo> in fact that didn't take long at all
Jun 12 23:40:22 <konfoo> 10 mins running gstreamer encode
Jun 12 23:40:33 <konfoo> battery alert, poweroff, dead battery
Jun 12 23:40:36 <DocScrutinizer2> LOL
Jun 12 23:40:40 <DocScrutinizer2> :-X
Jun 12 23:42:40 <DocScrutinizer2> let's do a little math fancy: batery has ~4Wh, 10min = 0.167h; ergo 4Wh / 0.167h = 24W
Jun 12 23:43:22 <DocScrutinizer2> do you think your device would survive a heating by 24W, for 10min?
Jun 12 23:43:31 <konfoo> no, i mean kill as in heat
Jun 12 23:43:38 <konfoo> but nod
Jun 12 23:43:44 <opdf2> Is there a way for sound or some sort of notification when a contact gets online from Gtalk, Skype, etc?
Jun 12 23:44:12 <konfoo> and the battery was not drained in 10 mins
Jun 12 23:49:56 <MohammadAG> opdf2, I guess it could be done with an app, but atm, no
Jun 12 23:54:09 <lardman> night all
Jun 13 00:00:10 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jun 13 00:00:17 <MohammadAG> df doesn't get updated by deleting files
Jun 13 00:00:19 <MohammadAG> apparently
Jun 13 00:00:31 <DocScrutinizer2> konfoo: actually this info is highly appreciated. It doesn't come by surprise, as LiIon tend to collapse at temperatures over 70°..1xx° C, due to separator meltdown, which shorts the cell and adds to the heat. It's amazing to hear bme failed to stop that effect for you
Jun 13 00:00:59 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:/var/log# du -h
Jun 13 00:00:59 <MohammadAG> 165.7M	.
Jun 13 00:01:04 <MohammadAG> I'm removing sysklogd
Jun 13 00:01:39 <DocScrutinizer2> konfoo: well, maybe it had stopped that, if it weren't the OC kernel
Jun 13 00:02:02 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: youv'e got to sync
Jun 13 00:02:30 <SpeedEvil> how failed?
Jun 13 00:02:37 <SpeedEvil> Diddn't catch fire
Jun 13 00:02:54 <DocScrutinizer2> konfoo: maybe bme throttles CPU when cell heats up, and OC kernel made that safety measure fail, so the CPU heated your battery to the point where it had that infarct
Jun 13 00:02:55 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil,
Jun 13 00:02:55 <shorter> If I add the dev and extra repositories will the phone then update to unstable software?
Jun 13 00:02:56 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:/var/log# sync
Jun 13 00:02:56 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:/var/log# df
Jun 13 00:02:56 <MohammadAG> Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Jun 13 00:02:56 <MohammadAG> rootfs                  232868    232860         0 100% /
Jun 13 00:03:25 <SpeedEvil> sync
Jun 13 00:03:31 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:/var/log# sync
Jun 13 00:04:07 <SpeedEvil> how did you manage to totally fill / ?
Jun 13 00:04:20 <DocScrutinizer2> konfoo: anyway first firsthand report of a OC fatality. Please report on TMO :-)
Jun 13 00:04:21 <MohammadAG> sysklogd,<MohammadAG> 165.7M .
Jun 13 00:04:27 <MohammadAG> that's only /var/log ^
Jun 13 00:05:00 <DocScrutinizer2> SpeedEvil: sync will trigger garbage collection?
Jun 13 00:05:14 <DocScrutinizer2> ubifs!
Jun 13 00:06:05 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 13 00:06:12 <DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG: space on NAND is freed on next boot, not the very moment you delete a file
Jun 13 00:06:23 <SpeedEvil> I thought also low free space would
Jun 13 00:06:28 <DocScrutinizer2> maybe also on sync
Jun 13 00:06:44 <DocScrutinizer2> SpeedEvil: you'd think it should
Jun 13 00:07:14 <SpeedEvil> yeah - it does on sync - just confirmed
Jun 13 00:07:42 <SpeedEvil> I can see why lazy deallocation is good - but maybe that's a bit too lazy
Jun 13 00:08:47 <N900rulz> guys what's the easiset way on the N900 to manipulate files on home PC when away from home? What soft do I need?
Jun 13 00:09:27 <MohammadAG> doesn't work for me
Jun 13 00:09:39 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jun 13 00:09:53 <MohammadAG> use ssh from the N900 if you're on linux
Jun 13 00:10:03 <shorter> that would be my first guess
Jun 13 00:10:09 <shorter> especially if you can mount ssh volumes
Jun 13 00:10:09 <N900rulz> I'm on Win 7
Jun 13 00:10:14 <shorter> and then us a file manager
Jun 13 00:10:34 <SpeedEvil> ssh fails hard if you try to move stuff
Jun 13 00:10:41 <shorter> how danagerous is it really to add the developer repository?
Jun 13 00:10:42 <SpeedEvil> sshfs
Jun 13 00:10:52 <SpeedEvil> as it doesn't do rename
Jun 13 00:10:58 <shorter> I want that app to change the startup vid, which is in the dev repos.
Jun 13 00:11:02 <SpeedEvil> unless it does, and I'm confused again
Jun 13 00:11:11 <SpeedEvil> shorter: I have currently ~30 apps installed from devel
Jun 13 00:11:13 <N900rulz> is there a soft to access my pc remotely? sorry for noobish question
Jun 13 00:11:20 <SpeedEvil> shorter: no issues
Jun 13 00:11:31 <SpeedEvil> shorter: However - enable devel - install the app - disable devel
Jun 13 00:11:41 <SpeedEvil> N900rulz: there is a VNC client I thin
Jun 13 00:11:43 <shorter> same with extras?
Jun 13 00:12:10 <SpeedEvil> extras is meant to be safer
Jun 13 00:12:10 <N900rulz> SpeedEvil: ok...will try
Jun 13 00:12:22 <shorter> so should i disable extras usually?
Jun 13 00:12:22 <lcuk> tested and stable
Jun 13 00:12:23 <SpeedEvil> Ten people have to check the app to see it doesn't crash.
Jun 13 00:12:35 <SpeedEvil> Then it has to go ten days after that.
Jun 13 00:12:41 <lcuk> shorter, its enabled by default
Jun 13 00:12:52 <SpeedEvil> Then the blood of ten virgins has to be shed on a nokia 3310.
Jun 13 00:12:56 <shorter> not on mine, i just added extras
Jun 13 00:12:56 <lcuk> the other in development repositories arent
Jun 13 00:13:03 <SpeedEvil> And then it goes into extras.
Jun 13 00:13:31 <lcuk> ~extras
Jun 13 00:13:31 <infobot> hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Jun 13 00:13:53 <shorter> yeahm, i meant extra testing
Jun 13 00:13:54 <lcuk> Using Extras
Jun 13 00:13:54 <shorter> sorry
Jun 13 00:13:54 <lcuk> The Extras repository is pre-configured on the N900 and listed as maemo.org and is enabled by default in PR1.1.
Jun 13 00:14:36 <lcuk> possibilities include not having pr1.1
Jun 13 00:14:41 <lcuk> or you removed it somehow
Jun 13 00:14:58 <shorter> when the phone updates, will having extra texting or dev repositories effect the updating process?
Jun 13 00:15:28 <lcuk> shorter, usually no, but installing applications from these repositories might
Jun 13 00:16:12 <SpeedEvil> Generally simply removing the app will make you able to upgrade
Jun 13 00:16:18 <SpeedEvil> if there are problems
Jun 13 00:16:37 <SpeedEvil> But I diddn't have problems - and probably had 15 apps from testing
Jun 13 00:17:07 <lcuk> yeah SpeedEvil - majority dont have any issue whatsoever
Jun 13 00:17:42 <lcuk> but the other repositories are more wild wild west, so its not possible to rule out
Jun 13 00:17:42 <shorter> I just enabled extras testing and it found some updates to apps that i didnt have before I added extras testing......
Jun 13 00:18:02 <lcuk> oh shorter thats normal, you had the apps installed
Jun 13 00:18:17 <lcuk> but the developer hasnt pushed the latest bleeding edge to extras yet
Jun 13 00:18:32 <shorter> ah, okay
Jun 13 00:18:39 <lcuk> so until you added extras-devel you were using the latest "stable"
Jun 13 00:18:56 <shorter> so when updating have testing and devel disabled
Jun 13 00:19:09 <lcuk> thats recommended for other reasons anyway
Jun 13 00:19:20 <DocScrutinizer2> yeah, and I see a regression on xchat though I don't recall having updated at all o.O
Jun 13 00:19:27 <lcuk> the size of the catalogues is quite large
Jun 13 00:19:42 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer2, ?
Jun 13 00:19:46 <lcuk> which regression
Jun 13 00:20:24 <shorter> great, was just scared of all the blog "brick phone" warnings about devel repositories and such
Jun 13 00:20:34 <shorter> fear tactics!
Jun 13 00:20:49 <DocScrutinizer2> I filed a bug about "add to favourites" in chan tab context menu doesn't work like expected. Now there isn't any such menu item in that context menu anymore .o0(???)
Jun 13 00:20:57 <N900rulz> what's that vnc client called?
Jun 13 00:21:06 <lcuk> shorter, if you are a developer and sensible you can understand the differences and rationally deal with most things
Jun 13 00:21:37 <lcuk> Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search vnc
Jun 13 00:21:37 <lcuk> vncviewer - A VNC viewer for maemo
Jun 13 00:21:37 <lcuk> Nokia-N900:~#
Jun 13 00:21:40 <DocScrutinizer2> or my mind need a chillout&refresh
Jun 13 00:21:54 <N900rulz> lcuk: thanks
Jun 13 00:22:10 <lcuk> N900rulz, use the syntax i just did in future to answer self ;)
Jun 13 00:22:28 <N900rulz> lcuk: I see....cool
Jun 13 00:22:32 <SpeedEvil> shorter: brick is very very unlikely in the classic sense.
Jun 13 00:23:03 <SpeedEvil> shorter: Generally - the worst case - if you don't install anything with 'kernel' in the name - is that your device doesn't boot properly and you need to flash it
Jun 13 00:23:05 <SpeedEvil> ~flash
Jun 13 00:23:06 <infobot> somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 13 00:23:13 <lcuk> i just realised the x11 vnc server isnt around
Jun 13 00:23:16 <shorter> omg conky is sexy on here
Jun 13 00:23:35 * lcuk has seen things sexier than conky
Jun 13 00:23:48 <shorter> pics or ...
Jun 13 00:23:55 <shorter> heh
Jun 13 00:24:05 <DocScrutinizer2> has anybody seen/not seen the "add to favs" context menu item in xchat?
Jun 13 00:24:30 <SpeedEvil> don't think so
Jun 13 00:24:59 <DocScrutinizer2> damn, I'm not THAT mad, am I?
Jun 13 00:25:15 <SpeedEvil> ass friends?
Jun 13 00:25:19 <SpeedEvil> add friends even
Jun 13 00:25:35 <SpeedEvil> when I click and hold on a nick
Jun 13 00:25:45 <SpeedEvil> it doesn't seem to do the same in the channel switcher
Jun 13 00:25:48 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer2, when you tap/hold on a #chan name
Jun 13 00:25:51 <SpeedEvil> (which I have on tree mode)
Jun 13 00:25:56 <lcuk> you can add/remove from favorites
Jun 13 00:26:16 <DocScrutinizer2> SpeedEvil: it doesn't work in tree mode, which is another bug I filed
Jun 13 00:26:38 <DocScrutinizer2> lcuk: not here anymore
Jun 13 00:26:54 <SpeedEvil> ah - yes
Jun 13 00:27:00 <SpeedEvil> I get it if I enable tabs
Jun 13 00:27:18 <lcuk> i have no idea what chan favorites are tho
Jun 13 00:27:27 <lcuk> doc, what version are you using
Jun 13 00:27:28 <DocScrutinizer2> autojoin
Jun 13 00:27:33 <SpeedEvil> Autojoin or notify
Jun 13 00:27:34 <DocScrutinizer2> mompls
Jun 13 00:28:18 <MohammadAG> <lcuk> you can add/remove from favorites
Jun 13 00:28:24 <MohammadAG> it doesn't save them on exit
Jun 13 00:28:29 <MohammadAG> both on my PC and my N900
Jun 13 00:28:44 <DocScrutinizer> 2.8.6 Feb 22
Jun 13 00:28:45 <lcuk> but the menu item is there?
Jun 13 00:29:02 <lcuk> 2.8.6 april 24 2010
Jun 13 00:29:03 <DocScrutinizer> yes another bug
Jun 13 00:29:46 <lcuk> is the regression you having an old build
Jun 13 00:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> I refused to update, so the FEB 22 version is ok then
Jun 13 00:31:03 <DocScrutinizer> wonder if that might be related to the znc bouncer?
Jun 13 00:31:36 <DocScrutinizer> no menu item
Jun 13 00:31:49 <lcuk> pass, ask RST38h about it?
Jun 13 00:31:55 <lcuk> when hes here obviously
Jun 13 00:32:23 * lcuk vanishes anyway
Jun 13 00:32:24 <DocScrutinizer> lemme restart that thing
Jun 13 00:32:28 <lcuk> gnite guys
Jun 13 00:32:32 <DocScrutinizer> nite
Jun 13 00:34:07 <DocScrutinizer51> tadaa, add/remove from Favourites is here again (without znc bouncer)
Jun 13 00:34:20 <shorter> what does it mean when an installed app doesn't show up?
Jun 13 00:34:32 <shorter> install was successful
Jun 13 00:34:48 <pigeon> can you tell modest to do top quote during a reply?
Jun 13 00:36:08 <DocScrutinizer2> might mean it's an app without icon, and you need to start from terminal
Jun 13 00:36:35 <shorter> oh, it says "error: cannot create configuration file"
Jun 13 00:36:45 <shorter> that is probably why it didn't show up - i launched it from the term
Jun 13 00:36:50 <DocScrutinizer2> pigeon: move the cursur under the quote?
Jun 13 00:37:44 <pigeon> DocScrutinizer2: almost... it adds the signature at the top of the e-mail...
Jun 13 00:37:45 <shorter> why wouldn't bootscreen app (from devel repo) not be able to create settings files?
Jun 13 00:39:05 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, read the docs on project homepage, I'd suggest
Jun 13 00:39:31 <DocScrutinizer2> bootscreen sounds quite like a task for root, for example
Jun 13 00:40:20 <shorter> wow typing sudo before it helped, lol
Jun 13 00:40:29 <DocScrutinizer2> see?
Jun 13 00:40:31 <shorter> I wonder how people were running it not from the terminal
Jun 13 00:40:40 <shorter> what do they run everything as root or something?
Jun 13 00:40:47 <shorter> it usually has an icon
Jun 13 00:44:50 <shorter> ill figure it out
Jun 13 00:45:18 <shorter> I wonder if restarting took as much battery as it looked like
Jun 13 00:50:17 <DocScrutinizer51> for sure not the restarting
Jun 13 00:55:55 <pigeon> modest does not download e-mail attachments unless you actually click on the attachments, right?
Jun 13 00:56:40 <skynets> rofl
Jun 13 00:56:49 <skynets> im changing the digitizer
Jun 13 00:56:58 <skynets> tried unscrewing the screen
Jun 13 00:57:23 <DocScrutinizer2> ok, scratch that "favourites" context issue. I switched to another server (actually my znc bouncer) by direct /cmd, so there isn't any entry in the server list where the favourites/autojoins could be added. Everything working perfectly reasonable wrt that
Jun 13 00:57:25 <skynets> the screw is striped :/
Jun 13 00:57:30 <skynets> noooo
Jun 13 00:57:44 <skynets> i cant use any thing to open it
Jun 13 00:57:48 <skynets> anything*
Jun 13 00:59:08 <DocScrutinizer2> pigeon: I'd wonder how it'd do that, on my POP3 account
Jun 13 00:59:46 <DocScrutinizer2> pigeon: dunno if such acrobatics are feasible n IMAP
Jun 13 01:00:32 <derf> It's technically possible in POP3.
Jun 13 01:00:53 <derf> But I'd be really surprised if modest actually did things that way.
Jun 13 01:01:18 <skynets> does anyone have an idea what i can do
Jun 13 01:01:24 <SpeedEvil> skynets: Drill it out
Jun 13 01:01:37 <SpeedEvil> I suggest using a 22mm masonry bit in a SDS drill.
Jun 13 01:01:42 <SpeedEvil> On hammer.
Jun 13 01:02:33 <skynets> when i drill it what will happen
Jun 13 01:02:53 <pigeon> ok, well i'm using imap.
Jun 13 01:02:53 <skynets> the whole thing  cracks?
Jun 13 01:03:21 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
Jun 13 01:03:31 <DocScrutinizer51> get the right tool
Jun 13 01:03:43 <SpeedEvil> More seriously.
Jun 13 01:03:55 <SpeedEvil> The right drill can safely drill out the screw.
Jun 13 01:04:15 <skynets> all i have is a portable drill with no battery left and i can't find the charger for it (4.5v)
Jun 13 01:04:20 <SpeedEvil> This would ideally be a left-hand threaded bit in a pillar drill set at a relatively low speed.
Jun 13 01:04:33 <skynets> i only found 6v
Jun 13 01:04:38 <skynets> adapters
Jun 13 01:04:50 <skynets> and i have pointy screws
Jun 13 01:05:00 <skynets> and all kinds of manual screw drivers
Jun 13 01:05:08 <skynets> can i be mcgyver for this
Jun 13 01:05:26 <shorter> does leaving wifi connected really drain the battery that much?
Jun 13 01:05:27 <skynets> and drill it with the screw manually?
Jun 13 01:05:28 <SpeedEvil> Generally - you never harm screws by pressing too hard with the screwdriver.
Jun 13 01:05:32 <shorter> what battery saving strategies do yall use?
Jun 13 01:05:36 <SpeedEvil> shorter: Not with a powersavin gAP
Jun 13 01:06:02 <SpeedEvil> shorter: I get ~120 hours battery life logged in over SSH with wifi
Jun 13 01:06:32 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: does SSH actually work w/ PSM on N900?
Jun 13 01:06:39 <SpeedEvil> with mine, yes
Jun 13 01:06:47 <luke-jr> how?
Jun 13 01:07:02 <luke-jr> I thought PSM basically turned the radio off except when an app wanted it
Jun 13 01:07:27 <SpeedEvil> The radio wakes up for a timeslice, and listens for the AP saying it has data for it - in the prearranged interval.
Jun 13 01:07:35 <SpeedEvil> It then pings the AP - saying 'gimme'
Jun 13 01:07:44 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it anyway
Jun 13 01:07:50 <luke-jr> ...
Jun 13 01:07:53 <luke-jr> so really high latency
Jun 13 01:08:04 <shorter> anything i need to do to configure psm?
Jun 13 01:08:24 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: 200-300ms typical
Jun 13 01:08:32 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: so noticable but not really painful
Jun 13 01:08:55 <SpeedEvil> shorter: it's normally set to on. If you have a compliant router, it will 'just work'
Jun 13 01:09:01 <skynets> i used the screw driver and a screw
Jun 13 01:09:09 <skynets> now i can open the screen
Jun 13 01:09:17 <skynets> but the bit is still in the hole
Jun 13 01:09:18 <shorter> anyone here have an otterbox?
Jun 13 01:09:22 <skynets> :S
Jun 13 01:09:31 <skynets> dunno how i will close it
Jun 13 01:09:36 <skynets> with another screw
Jun 13 01:09:38 <shorter> running around with this thing scares me
Jun 13 01:09:38 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: easily several seconds when the AP isn't in sync
Jun 13 01:09:39 <SpeedEvil> skynets: Now you need some way of firmly clamping on the screw, in order to remove it
Jun 13 01:09:54 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yes - I'm saying what it normally does
Jun 13 01:09:58 <skynets> :S
Jun 13 01:10:27 <SpeedEvil> I would strongly recommend finding someone with a clue.
Jun 13 01:10:32 <SpeedEvil> and tools
Jun 13 01:11:17 <DocScrutinizer51> yep
Jun 13 01:11:55 <SpeedEvil> where are you skynets?
Jun 13 01:13:01 <skynets> ?
Jun 13 01:13:29 * MohammadAG gets out his Javelin
Jun 13 01:13:34 <MohammadAG> he's asking where you live
Jun 13 01:13:50 <DocScrutinizer51> lol
Jun 13 01:14:15 <skynets> canada
Jun 13 01:14:18 <skynets> you?
Jun 13 01:14:19 <SpeedEvil> It's OK, I don't stalk random people off #maemo, and kill them.
Jun 13 01:14:21 <MohammadAG> coordinates?
Jun 13 01:14:22 <SpeedEvil> Well - not often.
Jun 13 01:14:31 * MohammadAG targets skynets' garden
Jun 13 01:14:37 <SpeedEvil> Scotland - so I probably can't help. :)
Jun 13 01:14:47 * MohammadAG fires at Scotland
Jun 13 01:14:52 <DocScrutinizer51> skynets: EMEA here
Jun 13 01:15:11 <skynets> cool
Jun 13 01:15:27 <skynets> MohammadAG, the Javelin suits you for some reason :P
Jun 13 01:15:36 <MohammadAG> skynets, racist!
Jun 13 01:15:48 <b-man> skynets: lol
Jun 13 01:15:52 <skynets> lol no don't worry alot of my friends are arabs
Jun 13 01:16:03 <MohammadAG> sarcasm...
Jun 13 01:16:07 * MohammadAG slaps b-man 
Jun 13 01:16:31 <skynets> not sure if you're talking about my last line, but no i'm serious :D
Jun 13 01:16:48 <b-man> MohammadAG: jk xDDDDD
Jun 13 01:17:12 <MohammadAG> skynets, I was jk XDDDDDDD
Jun 13 01:17:24 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jun 13 01:17:29 <MohammadAG> b-man, is that bot in here? :P
Jun 13 01:17:41 * DocScrutinizer51 puts a ticking Mk-57 next to MohammadAG's horizon
Jun 13 01:17:43 <b-man> MohammadAG: i hope not lol
Jun 13 01:18:15 <b-man> MohammadAG: you maen Archabot or infobot?
Jun 13 01:18:21 <b-man> *mean
Jun 13 01:18:39 * MohammadAG throws an unarmed tactical nuke at DocScrutinizer51
Jun 13 01:18:40 <MohammadAG> enjoy
Jun 13 01:18:47 <MohammadAG> b-man, archabot
Jun 13 01:18:55 <b-man> MohammadAG: NO. xD
Jun 13 01:19:29 <MohammadAG> b-man, I expect to have a working Ubuntu rootfs image 10 minutes ago
Jun 13 01:19:36 <b-man> MohammadAG: btw, you grabbed the wrong nuke; that one was armed!
Jun 13 01:19:53 * b-man runs for the hills
Jun 13 01:19:56 <MohammadAG> hmm, DocScrutinizer51's quiet all right
Jun 13 01:20:19 <skynets> lol
Jun 13 01:20:20 <MohammadAG> just got my bill, my dad's not gonna be happy
Jun 13 01:20:20 <MohammadAG> XD
Jun 13 01:20:26 <b-man> LOL
Jun 13 01:20:34 <skynets> thanks SpeedEvil and the others who helped
Jun 13 01:20:48 <MohammadAG> np racist
Jun 13 01:20:48 <MohammadAG> :P
Jun 13 01:20:54 <skynets> marhaba
Jun 13 01:21:04 <MohammadAG> see? that's racism
Jun 13 01:21:06 <MohammadAG> XDDDD
Jun 13 01:21:13 <shorter> bill?
Jun 13 01:21:16 <skynets> yeah it means sex
Jun 13 01:21:20 <MohammadAG> phone bill
Jun 13 01:21:22 <b-man> lol
Jun 13 01:21:23 <MohammadAG> LOL
Jun 13 01:21:24 <shorter> aren't you getting free service man - you seem to be contributing a lot...
Jun 13 01:21:27 <MohammadAG> it means hi btw
Jun 13 01:21:29 * b-man dies
Jun 13 01:21:37 <MohammadAG> shorter, nah, others contribute more
Jun 13 01:21:45 <MohammadAG> take b-man for example, he made a ROFL ascii
Jun 13 01:21:55 <MohammadAG> now THAT's contribution
Jun 13 01:21:57 <shorter> I hope to be soon too, just got this thing 2 days ago
Jun 13 01:21:58 <b-man> lol
Jun 13 01:22:14 <DocScrutinizer51> the laser pulse of the anti balistic missile measures was so bright, I still hardly can read the screen
Jun 13 01:22:42 <b-man> DocScrutinizer51: blame MohammadAG for giving you the wrong nuke XD
Jun 13 01:23:15 <MohammadAG> I swear they're f***ing with me
Jun 13 01:23:16 <DocScrutinizer51> giving wasn't exactly the right word for that
Jun 13 01:23:21 <MohammadAG> the gif is just making fun of me
Jun 13 01:23:39 <b-man> DocScrutinizer51: ok, throwing xD
Jun 13 01:24:05 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm yes, it's a balisyic curve mostly
Jun 13 01:24:05 <MohammadAG> לצורך שמירה על הפרטיות שלך, נשלחה למכשירך הודעת sms המכילה קוד זיהוי חד פעמי. לאחר הקלדה של הקוד החד פעמי תוכל לצפות בפרטי החשבונית האחרונה שלך. <--- right... say what
Jun 13 01:24:22 <DocScrutinizer51> so throwing isn't completely wrong
Jun 13 01:24:29 <shorter> omg
Jun 13 01:24:32 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, you've annoyed me for the last time
Jun 13 01:24:40 * MohammadAG throws 10 nukes, only 1 is armed
Jun 13 01:24:47 <DocScrutinizer51> damn
Jun 13 01:25:03 <MohammadAG> you have 30 seconds to defuse the correct one
Jun 13 01:25:51 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: he was a good lad
Jun 13 01:26:00 <MohammadAG> I'm sure he'll be missed, by all 487 of us
Jun 13 01:26:02 <shorter> I think I'm changing my boot screen to this: http://www.thecleverest.com/countdown.swf
Jun 13 01:26:08 * b-man noticed that someone was switching around MohammadAG's nukes
Jun 13 01:26:26 <shorter> should me help this plane trip
Jun 13 01:26:47 <MohammadAG> that looks so broken on linux
Jun 13 01:26:47 <MohammadAG> xD
Jun 13 01:27:42 <DocScrutinizer51> ROTFL in TV there was just a duck that catched flies while sitting
Jun 13 01:28:47 <shorter> anyone have the lastfm app?
Jun 13 01:28:59 <shorter> I don't see it anywhere except settings
Jun 13 01:29:09 <skynets> wtf i dunno what to do with the new digitizer and plastic surrounding
Jun 13 01:29:09 <MohammadAG> that only scrobbles
Jun 13 01:29:18 <MohammadAG> k, it's getting late
Jun 13 01:29:21 <MohammadAG> Night peeps
Jun 13 01:29:38 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I misread that as fire.
Jun 13 01:29:41 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, I expect to see that nuke here in IL at 11AM
Jun 13 01:29:49 <b-man> c ya MohammadAG
Jun 13 01:29:50 <MohammadAG> LOL
Jun 13 01:30:01 <MohammadAG> ducks catching fire
Jun 13 01:30:06 <MohammadAG> would be... awkward
Jun 13 01:31:00 <shorter> oh
Jun 13 01:31:07 <shorter> i thought you could listen via lastfm n900 app
Jun 13 01:31:10 <shorter> eww
Jun 13 01:32:14 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jun 13 01:32:17 <MohammadAG> there's an app
Jun 13 01:32:19 <MohammadAG> vagulime
Jun 13 01:32:23 <MohammadAG> or vagulume
Jun 13 01:32:25 <MohammadAG> or sth
Jun 13 01:32:33 <MohammadAG> used it for a month, then cancelled my last.fm sub
Jun 13 01:32:40 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm, my English is abysmal. Anyway I feel a duck catched flies but caught fire. Not sure if I'm completely wrong
Jun 13 01:32:43 <MohammadAG> I figured that youtube kinda does the same, for free
Jun 13 01:33:11 * MohammadAG slaps DocScrutinizer51 for the night
Jun 13 01:33:25 * MohammadAG shuts down X server on screen 1
Jun 13 01:34:04 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> just got my bill, my dad's not gonna be happy
Jun 13 01:34:04 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> XD
Jun 13 01:34:04 <MohammadAG> <b-man> LOL
Jun 13 01:34:12 <MohammadAG> happy isn't the best word btw
Jun 13 01:35:05 <HtheB> wtf is nuke age
Jun 13 01:35:21 <MohammadAG> I'm off
Jun 13 01:35:24 <HtheB> happy ending!?
Jun 13 01:35:35 <HtheB> do u know happy ending!?
Jun 13 01:35:36 <HtheB> :D
Jun 13 01:35:39 <MohammadAG> not really, it would be... a quiet, radioactive one
Jun 13 01:35:41 <HtheB> u should see it before going
Jun 13 01:35:49 <MohammadAG> it goes KABOOM
Jun 13 01:36:02 <skynets> MohammadAG is excited tonight
Jun 13 01:36:05 <HtheB> MohammadAG
Jun 13 01:36:11 <MohammadAG> skynets, yeah I'm high
Jun 13 01:36:17 <MohammadAG> finished my 3rd bottle
Jun 13 01:36:18 <MohammadAG> of water
Jun 13 01:36:20 <HtheB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE
Jun 13 01:36:22 <HtheB> :D :D :D :D :D
Jun 13 01:36:23 <HtheB> there u go!
Jun 13 01:36:34 <skynets> mineralized i bet
Jun 13 01:37:31 <MohammadAG> lolwut
Jun 13 01:38:03 <MohammadAG> @ HtheB
Jun 13 01:38:09 <MohammadAG> skynets, nah
Jun 13 01:38:26 <HtheB> :D :D :D :D
Jun 13 01:38:28 <HtheB> HAhahah
Jun 13 01:38:30 <HtheB> happy endiiing!
Jun 13 01:38:33 <DocScrutinizer51> 5L of water when drunken quickly can be fatal
Jun 13 01:38:41 <MohammadAG> true
Jun 13 01:38:46 <MohammadAG> osmosis-y
Jun 13 01:38:52 <DocScrutinizer51> yep
Jun 13 01:38:56 <MohammadAG> and they're 0.5L :P
Jun 13 01:38:58 <skynets> anyones got a manual or a guide
Jun 13 01:39:07 <MohammadAG> yeah, man-db
Jun 13 01:39:08 <skynets> to replace the fukking digitizer
Jun 13 01:39:13 <MohammadAG> oh
Jun 13 01:39:19 <MohammadAG> it's not that capable yet
Jun 13 01:39:26 <MohammadAG> come back when PR1.3 is released
Jun 13 01:39:31 <skynets> u know that surrounding piece
Jun 13 01:39:33 <skynets> with Nokia
Jun 13 01:39:38 <MohammadAG> last I checked, that was never
Jun 13 01:39:41 <MohammadAG> oh
Jun 13 01:39:47 <skynets> i can't get that around the digitizer
Jun 13 01:39:49 <SpeedEvil> skynets: See the manual on the wiki
Jun 13 01:39:49 <MohammadAG> that Nokia bezel isn't the digitizer
Jun 13 01:40:03 <skynets> i want to put it around the digitizer but can't
Jun 13 01:40:03 <MohammadAG> skynets, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8
Jun 13 01:40:29 <skynets> MohammadAG, i checked that but that guy ditched me at the end
Jun 13 01:40:31 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, he ^ disassembled the screen 4 times I think
Jun 13 01:40:44 <MohammadAG> skynets, tweet him
Jun 13 01:40:54 <skynets> i dont tweet
Jun 13 01:41:21 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking skynets
Jun 13 01:41:22 <MohammadAG> you should start to
Jun 13 01:42:02 <HtheB> happy ending!
Jun 13 01:42:25 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 13 01:42:41 <cure`> haha hardware hacking
Jun 13 01:42:47 <cure`> that's amazing
Jun 13 01:43:05 <DocScrutinizer51> that's ridiculous
Jun 13 01:44:14 <skynets> DocScrutinizer51
Jun 13 01:44:30 <skynets> i can't get the surrounding plastic around the digitizer
Jun 13 01:44:34 <skynets> it seems too tight
Jun 13 01:44:37 <skynets> is there a trick for that
Jun 13 01:44:40 <MohammadAG> use a screw driver
Jun 13 01:44:46 <MohammadAG> to lever it into place
Jun 13 01:44:54 <skynets> where do i start
Jun 13 01:45:09 <MohammadAG> next to the clips most probably
Jun 13 01:45:14 <MohammadAG> common sense helps, sometimes
Jun 13 01:45:21 <DocScrutinizer51> skynets: i never disassembled thescreen
Jun 13 01:45:30 <skynets> oh ok
Jun 13 01:46:00 <MohammadAG> btw, I said sometimes
Jun 13 01:46:05 * MohammadAG sheds a tear on his old PS3
Jun 13 01:46:19 <MohammadAG> ah well
Jun 13 01:46:21 <MohammadAG> Night all
Jun 13 01:46:30 <MohammadAG> ~attack DocScrutinizer51
Jun 13 01:46:33 <DocScrutinizer51> I strongly recommend to cling to L1/2 manual and the video on youtube
Jun 13 01:46:50 <DocScrutinizer51> she asked
Jun 13 01:46:59 <DocScrutinizer51> :-P
Jun 13 01:47:02 <MohammadAG> why doesn't that bevel come attached anyways
Jun 13 01:47:07 <MohammadAG> infobot, attack DocScrutinizer51
Jun 13 01:47:10 <MohammadAG> that's an order!
Jun 13 01:47:17 <MohammadAG> infobot, die
Jun 13 01:47:17 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
Jun 13 01:47:29 <MohammadAG> ~unforget attack
Jun 13 01:47:29 <infobot> MohammadAG: cannot undeleted 'attack' because it already exists!
Jun 13 01:47:34 <MohammadAG> o.o
Jun 13 01:47:39 <HtheB> happy ending!
Jun 13 01:47:39 <MohammadAG> infobot, attack b-man
Jun 13 01:47:49 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, she's broken again
Jun 13 01:47:53 * b-man runs
Jun 13 01:47:56 <b-man> yay
Jun 13 01:47:57 <MohammadAG> funny enough, it happens on a monthly basis
Jun 13 01:48:00 <skynets> comon sense broke my iphone :(
Jun 13 01:48:18 <b-man> curiosity killed the cat
Jun 13 01:48:21 <marmoute> iPhone broke comon sens anyway
Jun 13 01:48:30 <MohammadAG> <b-man> curiosity killed the cat
Jun 13 01:48:36 <MohammadAG> nope, cat works fine for me
Jun 13 01:48:41 <MohammadAG> :P
Jun 13 01:48:48 <HtheB> happy ending!!
Jun 13 01:48:56 <MohammadAG> I think he's stuck
Jun 13 01:49:04 <b-man> yup xD
Jun 13 01:49:05 <marmoute> MohammadAG: but curiosity send SIGKILL to cat
Jun 13 01:49:16 * MohammadAG SEGFAULTS b-man 
Jun 13 01:49:22 * b-man slaps HtheB out of it
Jun 13 01:49:31 <HtheB> :(
Jun 13 01:49:34 <HtheB> i like the video
Jun 13 01:49:35 * MohammadAG dumps b-man's core and sells it on ebay
Jun 13 01:49:36 <HtheB> happy ending!
Jun 13 01:49:40 <b-man> SEGMENTATION FAULT *core dump*
Jun 13 01:49:50 <MohammadAG> b-man, too late, someone already got it
Jun 13 01:49:57 <b-man> noes!
Jun 13 01:50:02 <MohammadAG> he paid a buck
Jun 13 01:50:18 <b-man> STACK OVERFLOW
Jun 13 01:50:34 <HtheB> happy ending!!
Jun 13 01:50:58 <marmoute> Someone kill HtheB  ?
Jun 13 01:51:00 <HtheB> 51?
Jun 13 01:51:14 <HtheB> why kill me?
Jun 13 01:51:15 <HtheB> I just want
Jun 13 01:51:17 <HtheB> happy ending!!
Jun 13 01:51:18 <HtheB> :D
Jun 13 01:51:57 <MohammadAG51> I'm gonna pry this plymouth thingy
Jun 13 01:52:23 <HtheB> im going to fall asleep
Jun 13 01:52:25 <HtheB> marmoute,
Jun 13 01:52:40 * b-man gives HtheB a "happy ending" >;)
Jun 13 01:52:48 <HtheB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE
Jun 13 01:52:56 <HtheB> i just have to rofl about it :D
Jun 13 01:53:05 <HtheB> watch it, and ull know it :P
Jun 13 01:53:20 <MohammadAG51> why does the sun rise up so early
Jun 13 01:53:24 <MohammadAG51> it's still 5 AM
Jun 13 01:53:53 <b-man> hey, the sun sets at 10:15 here
Jun 13 01:54:04 <b-man> *+pm
Jun 13 01:54:14 <MohammadAG51> lol that's nothing
Jun 13 01:54:27 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer51, when does the sun set in good ol' Germany
Jun 13 01:54:41 <MohammadAG51> last summer it used to set @...
Jun 13 01:54:46 <MohammadAG51> 12:30-ish
Jun 13 01:54:48 <MohammadAG51> AM
Jun 13 01:55:00 <DocScrutinizer2> I'm afraid in ~90 minutes
Jun 13 01:55:07 <DocScrutinizer2> nah that's dawn
Jun 13 01:55:09 <crashanddie> GAN900: thoughts? http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2010/06/veil-is-vile-and-live-evil-says-levi_13.html
Jun 13 01:55:11 <MohammadAG51> xD
Jun 13 01:55:11 <b-man> LOL
Jun 13 01:55:35 <MohammadAG51> crashanddie, scary title
Jun 13 01:56:20 <HtheB> happy ending!!
Jun 13 01:56:29 * MohammadAG51 facesmacks
Jun 13 01:56:42 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, explain separation of church and state to whom?
Jun 13 01:57:00 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: sorry/
Jun 13 01:57:03 <crashanddie> ?
Jun 13 01:57:22 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, nevermind, I misread.
Jun 13 01:57:26 * b-man will facesmash if HtheB says happy ending again..
Jun 13 01:57:27 <DocScrutinizer2> lo comods
Jun 13 01:57:41 <GeneralAntilles> Despite the legacy shit in the Federal government, most day-to-day people really don't care much about religion.
Jun 13 01:57:41 <HtheB> happy ending!!
Jun 13 01:57:49 <HtheB> :D
Jun 13 01:57:59 * b-man smashes his face in from smacking it so hard
Jun 13 01:58:08 * b-man falls down dead
Jun 13 01:58:16 <HtheB> b-man, did u watch the vid?
Jun 13 01:58:52 <MohammadAG51> doubt it, b-man is one serious grown up
Jun 13 01:59:06 <HtheB> :D
Jun 13 01:59:57 <MohammadAG51> #maemo disrupts my normal sleep patterns
Jun 13 02:00:02 <MohammadAG51> Night, ffs
Jun 13 02:00:05 <crashanddie> night
Jun 13 02:00:10 <b-man> g'night
Jun 13 02:00:14 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: 4Am here if it makes you feel any better
Jun 13 02:00:24 <MohammadAG51> 5 AM
Jun 13 02:00:37 <HtheB> nite
Jun 13 02:00:40 <MohammadAG51> so.. no not really :P
Jun 13 02:00:43 <MohammadAG51> Night
Jun 13 02:00:43 <HtheB> happy ending!!
Jun 13 02:00:47 <HtheB> :D
Jun 13 02:00:52 <b-man> MohammadAG51: SLEEP lol
Jun 13 02:02:01 <HtheB_> -_-
Jun 13 02:02:03 <HtheB_> ok ok
Jun 13 02:02:06 <HtheB_> I'm going aswell :p
Jun 13 02:02:14 <HtheB_> 4.02 already over here
Jun 13 02:02:15 <HtheB_> ._.
Jun 13 02:02:42 <HtheB_> that wasnt very happy ending at all hehe
Jun 13 02:02:43 <HtheB_> anyway
Jun 13 02:02:45 <HtheB_> nite all
Jun 13 02:02:48 <HtheB_> and you too b-man
Jun 13 02:03:17 <HtheB> well... cya later guys
Jun 13 02:03:19 <HtheB> and remember:
Jun 13 02:03:24 <HtheB> happy ending!!
Jun 13 02:03:25 <HtheB> :D
Jun 13 02:03:33 <b-man> -_-
Jun 13 02:14:11 <ds3> before I go down the wrong road, can someone confirm that the old Linux flasher will work with the N900 and PR1.2 assuming PR1.2 is available as a Fiasco image
Jun 13 02:15:06 <crashanddie> ds3: yes
Jun 13 02:15:41 <ds3> and does upgrading via the flasher wipe out the emmc?
Jun 13 02:19:40 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, not unless you tell it to.
Jun 13 02:19:43 <GeneralAntilles> and provide an eMMC image.
Jun 13 02:19:49 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, why flashing?
Jun 13 02:22:02 <ds3> GA: how else do I upgrade w/o to PR1.2 w/o installing windows?
Jun 13 02:22:12 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, OTA?
Jun 13 02:22:15 <GeneralAntilles> From the application manager
Jun 13 02:22:22 <ds3> doesn't seem to offer that option
Jun 13 02:22:36 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, hrm, apt-get dist-upgrade spits out what, exactly?
Jun 13 02:22:46 <ds3> one sec
Jun 13 02:23:19 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, the likeliest story is that you removed the update metapackage at some point using apt.
Jun 13 02:23:29 <DocScrutinizer> you should mention it's not supposed to answer Y
Jun 13 02:23:54 <GeneralAntilles> Aye, that.
Jun 13 02:24:19 <ds3> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
Jun 13 02:24:29 <ds3> is that why it doesn't even offer the option in app mgr?
Jun 13 02:24:37 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, nope.
Jun 13 02:24:54 <GeneralAntilles> If the metapackage isn't installed, h-a-m wont know to offer the upgrade.
Jun 13 02:25:02 <GeneralAntilles> Since the packages being updated aren't in user/
Jun 13 02:25:03 <GeneralAntilles> *
Jun 13 02:25:06 <ds3> dpkg -l | grep for what?
Jun 13 02:25:17 <ds3> update?
Jun 13 02:25:27 <GeneralAntilles> What the hell is the name of the metapackage now?
Jun 13 02:25:42 <DocScrutinizer> maemo5?
Jun 13 02:25:56 <GeneralAntilles> Is that the package name?
Jun 13 02:26:19 <DocScrutinizer> mompls, as I still have it pending in HAM, I can look
Jun 13 02:26:32 <GeneralAntilles> mp-fremantle-generic-pr
Jun 13 02:26:33 <GeneralAntilles> I think.
Jun 13 02:26:36 <DocScrutinizer> HAM will need 5 min though, to startup
Jun 13 02:27:01 <ds3> ii  mp-fremantle-002-pr                                 3.2010.02-8.002
Jun 13 02:27:04 <ds3> that is there
Jun 13 02:27:52 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Jun 13 02:28:07 <GeneralAntilles> Run an apt-get update and see if everything responds?
Jun 13 02:28:24 <ds3> will apt-get update confirm before doing anything dangerous?
Jun 13 02:28:43 <ds3> <-- kernel guy
Jun 13 02:29:20 <DocScrutinizer51> nodanger
Jun 13 02:29:56 <ds3> running...
Jun 13 02:30:40 <ds3> it looks happy, there were some Hit/Ignlines but no errors
Jun 13 02:30:56 <lcuk> ds3, backup first
Jun 13 02:31:10 <lcuk> then you can just reflash restore if you screw up
Jun 13 02:31:25 <ds3> backup is tricky with all the third party apps saving things all over; which is why I been taking so long
Jun 13 02:31:26 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, update just refetches the catalogs.
Jun 13 02:31:42 <GeneralAntilles> Most of the 3rd party stuff is pretty good about backing up with the built-in tool.
Jun 13 02:31:45 <ds3> don't have a 20G drive online handy
Jun 13 02:31:55 <lcuk> ds3, from what ive encountered, its quite a reasonable uptake
Jun 13 02:32:18 <ds3> hmmmm... either it is doing it quietly or it isn't doing t cuz it only lists standard apps when it runs
Jun 13 02:33:37 <ds3> guess I'll resume course with a full backup of every filesystem on there before running the fiasco flasher
Jun 13 02:34:07 <ds3> any chance that installing an alt kernel would be what's preventing an OTA upgrade?
Jun 13 02:34:17 <GeneralAntilles> Shouldn't
Jun 13 02:35:08 <DocScrutinizer51> I got custom kernel, and HAM says "damaged, but upgradeable"
Jun 13 02:35:18 <DocScrutinizer51> for maemo5
Jun 13 02:35:33 <DocScrutinizer51> (no idea what's the name of the pkg)
Jun 13 02:35:49 <ds3> I also get other weird things from appmgr... i.e.it tells me there is an update for koffice viewer but it cannot update it due to missing libs
Jun 13 02:35:57 <DocScrutinizer51> (ham doesn't tell such redundant info :-P)
Jun 13 02:37:20 <DocScrutinizer51> missing libs is a quite reasonable warning for a 1.2 app on a 1.1.1 device
Jun 13 02:37:38 <ds3> that predates the official existance of PR1.2
Jun 13 02:38:02 <ds3> App Mgr tells me:
Jun 13 02:38:15 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm, quite some apps werebuilt against 1.2 before it emerged
Jun 13 02:38:19 <ds3> "This Maemo update requires the Nokia software update application on your PC for installation."
Jun 13 02:38:35 <ds3> that sounds like it wants to do a full flash
Jun 13 02:38:46 <DocScrutinizer51> yea
Jun 13 02:39:18 <ds3> unless it wants me to just hit continue instead of looking at the details
Jun 13 02:57:37 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, that means package conflicts
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