**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 17 02:59:57 2010 Jun 17 04:36:42 anyone know if pluthon will run reliably on x64? Jun 17 04:39:07 hmm nm i already installed it on this box 2 months ago Jun 17 04:39:11 short term memory ftw Jun 17 04:39:18 anyone know if there's a way to launch an app with (py)qt4 and foreground that app's window? Jun 17 04:41:49 actually i can prolly hack around with wmctrl Jun 17 04:54:12 have you tried "$ app &" ? Jun 17 04:54:34 anyone tried that arapp thing? Jun 17 05:11:20 Dassu, doubt that would work Jun 17 05:11:30 plus it would screw up what i'm doing Jun 17 06:58:51 Instantaneous battery voltage (mV): 3185 Jun 17 06:58:53 that's low? Jun 17 07:00:33 3863 a few seconds earlier said: Remaining standby time to battery low (mins): 14954 Jun 17 07:00:48 morning Jun 17 07:00:53 so much for 10 days :/ Jun 17 07:14:15 goodmorning ! dows anyone know how to edit the cursor ( /opt/usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp ) on n900 ? as I saw with " file " command it is GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST filetype .. Gimp didn't work .. I just want a simple " x " as cursor Jun 17 07:16:31 nas_: did you try google? Jun 17 07:16:33 http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=229 Jun 17 07:16:41 yep Jun 17 07:16:55 and you didn't find that link ^ ? Jun 17 07:17:23 I'll check the link , thanks Jun 17 07:17:43 maybe I didn't use the best keywords Jun 17 07:18:12 how many keywords do you think i used? Jun 17 07:18:28 aahahahah .. max 3 ? Jun 17 07:18:42 1 Jun 17 07:18:49 what keyword did i use? Jun 17 07:18:57 cursor ? Jun 17 07:19:06 doesn't seem likely Jun 17 07:19:17 transp ? Jun 17 07:19:33 when using google, you want to pick the word which is uniquely associated with your problem Jun 17 07:19:54 longer random token-like words are your friends Jun 17 07:19:55 so what was the magic word ? Jun 17 07:20:00 do you have any of those? Jun 17 07:21:14 cursor is hardly unique, it could reference the text input flashing indicator, or a mouse indicator, or a database reference point, plus if it actually was a mouse thing, it could relate to any of a number of operating systems Jun 17 07:21:21 that's hardly unique Jun 17 07:21:29 xcursor ? Jun 17 07:21:43 'gimp' is hardly unique since it's used for all sorts of things Jun 17 07:22:03 xcursor is only vaguely unique, and it doesn't accurately describe your problem Jun 17 07:22:13 dimentions of cursor ? 16 x 16 ? 32 x 32 ? Jun 17 07:22:22 timeless_mbp: one keyword? Jun 17 07:22:24 you're looking for something unique Jun 17 07:22:27 jacekowski: ONE Jun 17 07:23:03 goodmorning ! dows anyone know how to edit the cursor ( /opt/usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp ) on n900 ? as I saw with " file " command it is GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST  filetype .. Gimp didn't work .. I just want a simple "  x  " as cursor Jun 17 07:23:11 hmmm Jun 17 07:23:13 was my entire set of possible tokens to consider Jun 17 07:23:16 GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST Jun 17 07:23:26 yea , tried that .. Jun 17 07:23:33 maybe I missed the link you showed me Jun 17 07:23:34 nas_: workedforme Jun 17 07:23:47 it was hit 5 Jun 17 07:23:47 timeless_mbp: that's probably personalised google stuff Jun 17 07:24:00 on my google it's on 2nd page Jun 17 07:24:46 for me, it's highlighted as 'get more discussion results' Jun 17 07:24:53 so it's probably promoted as a 'discussion' Jun 17 07:25:07 but still…. if you're googling, you should be willing to look through 20 links Jun 17 07:25:12 i only read two links Jun 17 07:25:22 the first one i read was http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CBwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.groupsrv.com%2Flinux%2Fpost-8081.html&ei=jssZTKX1DsyIOLLqoL4L&usg=AFQjCNEJgPO6x5D9wPGNEb_8hQG82swsFg&sig2=udG972INA5lneMl3qZZmwA Jun 17 07:31:16 * timeless_mbp sighs Jun 17 07:31:21 unhappy irc client Jun 17 07:32:42 ugh Jun 17 07:32:46 goddamnit Jun 17 07:39:51 hello! what to do, if value text doesn't fit in hildon.Button? Jun 17 07:40:15 plastun: crie Jun 17 07:40:31 of course, I'm crying now :) but Jun 17 07:41:41 I can put this button into PannableArea, but it looks not pretty. Other ideas? Jun 17 07:42:57 marmoute: s/crie/cry/ Jun 17 07:43:46 la? Jun 17 07:50:03 timeless_mbp: thanks ;) just changed the cursor on my n900 ;) I could write a mini " how to " for other people Jun 17 07:51:20 btw Jun 17 07:51:32 anyone figured how the hell to do a mouse-over in micro-b Jun 17 07:51:41 w/out actually pressing anything Jun 17 07:52:02 You start mousing over an area that doesn't do anything Jun 17 07:52:07 and leave the cursor on where you wanted Jun 17 07:52:12 just a workaround.. Jun 17 07:52:49 tybollt: ? Jun 17 07:52:55 Hello, What is the best widget to use for inserting multiple QPushButtons into, with the option to scroll if there are too many? Jun 17 07:52:55 typically you enable hover mode Jun 17 07:56:55 eitama: yes but that "selects" everything leaving all text inverted - sometimes that renders the text invisible :-| Jun 17 07:57:19 timeless_mbp: what the hell is hover mode other than mouse mode? Jun 17 07:57:52 it's mouse mode... Jun 17 07:59:34 timeless_mbp: point is mouse mode does not work w/ all those fancy JS menus that doesn't pop out until you mouse over them since if you try to mouse over them you actually click them leading to an entirely other action than intended Jun 17 08:00:08 I*ll give you an example site Jun 17 08:00:31 please Jun 17 08:01:38 http://www.minhembio.com/ Jun 17 08:01:40 that site Jun 17 08:01:46 menus on the top Jun 17 08:02:06 try mouse overing them w/out "selecting" the text or clicking them Jun 17 08:02:44 that site beachballs my safari5 Jun 17 08:03:24 and its use of flash is broken Jun 17 08:03:28 the menus are behind the flash Jun 17 08:04:29 I am always on a never ending quest to purge all flash Jun 17 08:04:57 tybollt: so, i got it to work the second time i tried Jun 17 08:05:48 o_O Jun 17 08:05:51 do spill Jun 17 08:06:00 tybollt: try starting your initial tap on the third picture in the row below the menu Jun 17 08:06:03 or is this another case of "wfm, lol!" Jun 17 08:06:06 then start dragging, do not release your finger Jun 17 08:06:18 yes? Jun 17 08:06:24 oh right Jun 17 08:06:27 of course Jun 17 08:06:30 if you continously Jun 17 08:06:32 actually, any of those pictures in that row seem to work Jun 17 08:06:34 drag Jun 17 08:06:50 I want a plain mouse over w/ releasing the "drag" Jun 17 08:06:58 sorry Jun 17 08:07:05 so I can study my options w/ butterfingering my screen Jun 17 08:07:14 you could buy a usb adapter or perhaps a bluetooth mouse Jun 17 08:07:29 please; do not mock me :P Jun 17 08:07:34 * timeless_mbp wonders if we support bluetooth mice Jun 17 08:08:33 so, fwiw Jun 17 08:08:50 if you drag in from the left edge of the screen, you can temporarily import the hovering mouse Jun 17 08:08:53 and then let go Jun 17 08:09:06 when you want to use it again, just drag in again from that same point Jun 17 08:09:29 timeless_mbp: that's the "select the text" scenario that may invert the text and render it invisible on certain sites Jun 17 08:09:34 nope Jun 17 08:10:02 as long as you never click the pointer and as long as you only are dragging from that left edge Jun 17 08:10:09 (starting from "not in a special mode") Jun 17 08:10:10 oh Jun 17 08:10:16 like in one great swoop Jun 17 08:10:20 yep Jun 17 08:10:25 ++ Jun 17 08:10:29 that'd make sense Jun 17 08:10:31 thanks Jun 17 08:10:36 please feel free to write a howto or something Jun 17 08:10:42 oddly the feature is quite powerful Jun 17 08:10:47 and it's only a little bit awkward Jun 17 08:11:09 timeless_mbp: do the other browsers have pointer at all? Jun 17 08:11:13 it isn't really what i wanted to implement, but it does manage to cover quite a few cases Jun 17 08:11:26 iirc chromium on the n900 always has a cursor :) Jun 17 08:11:57 iirc fennec on the n900 does not have one at all Jun 17 08:12:32 opera showed me a cursor initially Jun 17 08:12:39 so i believe it is aware of cursors Jun 17 08:12:46 no Jun 17 08:12:47 never Jun 17 08:12:53 opera is norwegian Jun 17 08:12:58 I will not use it :) Jun 17 08:13:51 i can't figure out how to interact w/ your menus in opera Jun 17 08:14:39 * timeless_mbp tries chromium Jun 17 08:14:48 btw, why would you use such a lame site? :) Jun 17 08:21:16 wow Jun 17 08:21:30 the url completion area in chromium is awful on my n900 Jun 17 08:21:54 i think someone decided to squish each row vertically Jun 17 08:22:35 did chroium get any better since it first was released for n900? I did not bother trying it anymore since then Jun 17 08:23:05 and the settings thing manages to pop up its menu on top of the button Jun 17 08:23:11 okay this was silly... Jun 17 08:23:17 so on average i mouse down (trigger menu), mouse up (trigger menu item = new tab) Jun 17 08:23:27 hey guys Jun 17 08:23:35 does this line introduce a memory leak: Jun 17 08:23:36 gconf_value_get_int(gconf_entry_get_value(gconf_client_get_entry(gconfClient, DESKTOP_GCONF_ENTRY, NULL, true, NULL))); Jun 17 08:23:37 ? Jun 17 08:23:40 Can someone tell me if it's correct that themes are placed in /opt/maemo/usr/share/themes, and linked to /usr/share/themes ? Jun 17 08:24:57 haj: not sure what you mean Jun 17 08:25:22 i have 16 theme entries in /user/share/themes Jun 17 08:25:32 2 are symlinks to 2 directories in /opt/maemo/usr/share/themes/ Jun 17 08:25:46 ah.. Jun 17 08:25:50 timeless_mbp: thanks. Jun 17 08:26:21 some have most of their content hosted in /opt w/ other symlinks Jun 17 08:26:33 e.g. reflect seems to live in /opt/themes/reflect/ Jun 17 08:26:55 nuvofre and matrix have similar homes Jun 17 08:27:05 timeless_mbp: so /usr/share/themes is a link to /opt/usr/share/themes? Or is it just a folder? Jun 17 08:27:15 they're all just folders Jun 17 08:27:22 or rather, they're all just directories Jun 17 08:27:29 folders are graphical elements, and these are not Jun 17 08:32:29 haj: basically, they should appear in /usr/share/themes Jun 17 08:32:51 haj: it is the developers' responsibility to make sure they are there Jun 17 08:32:56 yes.. I figured it out now.. :) Jun 17 08:33:29 haj: optifying them is an extra stuff, a "bonus" that is done by several Jun 17 08:34:05 The problem is that I for no reason at all (except being silly) had run the moveroot.sh script on the device, and I was reverting back.. but the unmoveroot.sh script doesn't work correctly so the themes was missing. Jun 17 08:35:22 haj: oh... well, why is it being silly? Jun 17 08:35:36 haj: the moveroot.sh is a very useful script, I also ran it Jun 17 08:36:14 Venemo: I think it's silly when PR1.2 already have enough free space on rootfs Jun 17 08:36:31 haj: you can't have enough space on rootfs :P Jun 17 08:36:37 haj: however, if the unmoveroot is incorrect, you should really contact its author and tell you about your issue - so he can fix it - this will be very helpful for others who also use it Jun 17 08:36:38 Venemo: It is bound to make Maemo slower if stuff is moved off rootfs Jun 17 08:36:59 haj: not that much, and not this stuff :) Jun 17 08:38:20 Venemo: perhaps not... but theres not much to be gained either unless you are running very much out of space.. ;) Jun 17 08:38:37 haj: that is true Jun 17 08:40:26 things you aren't using and aren't likely to be using shouldn't be on the rootfs Jun 17 08:40:43 ideally all inactive themes would be on the emmc Jun 17 08:41:01 and non english locales Jun 17 08:41:03 and the act of enabling another theme should result in a process to copy over the activated theme Jun 17 08:41:07 well not used locales Jun 17 08:41:24 I believe the active theme is loaded in the memory, anyway Jun 17 08:41:26 there is like 30M file with all locales Jun 17 08:41:30 correct me if I'm wrong Jun 17 08:41:40 hm ... for some reason a lot of icons are missing after unmoveroot.sh Jun 17 08:42:00 Venemo: not helpful Jun 17 08:42:12 files on the emmc aren't reachable during system init Jun 17 08:42:20 which includes the first pass of the SIM Lock Jun 17 08:42:31 yes, I know Jun 17 08:42:39 hm Jun 17 08:42:49 I haven't had any problems with it Jun 17 08:43:09 we did, it was iirc one of the delays in pr1.2 Jun 17 08:43:26 because it took a long time for people to realize that merely hosting themes on the emmc wasn't safe :( Jun 17 08:43:52 timeless_mbp: huh, are you affiliated with Maemo development? Jun 17 08:44:03 how does the icons work? are they cached somehow? Jun 17 08:44:26 Venemo: if being employed by Nokia to work on it counts, then, I suppose so Jun 17 08:44:36 * timeless_mbp ponders Jun 17 08:45:26 wouldn't it be great if there were some place where you could see who was involved in maemo? Jun 17 08:45:36 something like http://maemo.org/profile/list/ ? Jun 17 08:45:50 where you could then look people up, and see who they are and what they do? Jun 17 08:45:53 something like http://maemo.org/profile/view/timeless/ ? Jun 17 08:46:09 wow, why don't they get right on it? Jun 17 08:46:24 surely with enough time machine resources they could get it deployed! Jun 17 08:48:08 timeless_mbp: look, I'm sorry, i'm quite new here Jun 17 08:48:27 ok, take some time and browse maemo.org Jun 17 08:48:38 oddly, the people working on it have invested a lot of time to try to help people Jun 17 08:48:46 it's a real shame for their work to be ignored Jun 17 08:48:57 timeless_mbp: I don't ignore anyone's work Jun 17 08:49:06 and don't get defensive Jun 17 08:49:26 you're likely to make even more embarrassing comments in doing so :) Jun 17 08:49:34 I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you in any way :P Jun 17 08:50:01 I just haven't met any of the Maemo developers on IRC yet Jun 17 08:50:14 hrm, that you know of :-b Jun 17 08:50:28 * timeless_mbp isn't quite sure what a maemo developer is Jun 17 08:50:28 true :) Jun 17 08:51:12 * timeless_mbp would sometimes count luke-jr and hrw perhaps (they were talking earlier) Jun 17 08:51:49 I haven't heard about them yet Jun 17 08:52:07 ? Jun 17 08:52:33 I know only a few people from the community Jun 17 08:52:40 (yet) Jun 17 08:52:48 s/yet/so far/ Jun 17 08:53:38 it depends what 'maemo developer' means Jun 17 08:54:09 I meant those people who took part in the creation and development of Maemo Jun 17 08:54:19 I wrote app for maemo, hacked few existing ones, know how system works and can alter some things. this can mean 'maemo developer' Jun 17 08:54:47 Venemo: so you mean Maemo developer from Nokia Maemo team and Nokia contracted companies Jun 17 08:55:21 i'm in the credits for 'lsof' and 'lsof' is in Maemo Jun 17 08:55:35 is that sufficient? :) Jun 17 08:55:44 :) Jun 17 08:55:59 * timeless_mbp has actually made multiple (albeit trivial) contributions to lsof Jun 17 08:56:09 * Venemo is sorry for being ambiguous Jun 17 08:56:23 ambiguity is part of English Jun 17 08:56:31 :D Jun 17 08:56:37 the lesson to learn here is to recognize when people are hinting that you were ambiguous Jun 17 08:56:45 indeed Jun 17 08:57:06 my hint was "* timeless_mbp isn't quite sure what a maemo developer is" Jun 17 08:57:21 you are right, a "Maemo developer" can mean a person who developped Maemo itself, or a person who develops for the Maemo platform Jun 17 08:57:31 the latter also fits me Jun 17 08:57:47 sadly, i suck, since i do a bit of everything Jun 17 08:57:55 what do you mean? Jun 17 08:58:06 i work on some upstreams, i work for nokia, and i write some stuff which runs on maemo Jun 17 08:58:18 nice :) Jun 17 08:58:25 which means that pretty much no matter which definition you want to pick, i'm probably matched Jun 17 08:58:31 :):) Jun 17 08:58:39 but that doesn't help people understand what you mean Jun 17 08:58:57 it does mean "you got me" Jun 17 08:58:59 hi, :) Jun 17 08:59:15 :) Jun 17 08:59:37 * timeless_mbp gets an over the air update Jun 17 09:00:08 what sort of update? Jun 17 09:00:40 Venemo: you're new and you met timeless_mbp.... oooh.... Jun 17 09:00:48 http://maemo.nokia.com/features/maemo-update/ Jun 17 09:01:23 timeless_mbp: I know what an OTA update is... Jun 17 09:01:55 timeless_mbp: I just thought that the last one was 1.2 and it arrived two weeks ago Jun 17 09:02:24 as the page timeless linked to states, software installed to the device gets updated ota too Jun 17 09:02:40 uh, okay Jun 17 09:02:48 I already know that, too Jun 17 09:03:11 I just thought he meant a fw update Jun 17 09:03:21 Venemo: yes, the last publicly delivered update was 1.2 Jun 17 09:03:29 but we've already established that i work for Nokia.. Jun 17 09:03:38 oh... Jun 17 09:03:40 is it just me or has the location for deb packages under pr1.2 being relocated to somewhere secretive? or being deleted on the spot Jun 17 09:03:57 psycho_oreos: eh? Jun 17 09:05:08 timeless_mbp, I know the downloaded deb packages (including updates) usually goes into /var/cache/apt/archives. Since pr1.2, all the updates that I went through with application manager seems to delete those downloaded packages as soon as the said programs needs updating Jun 17 09:05:31 almost like as if I were to download packages from ovi store which usually marks those packages as user/hidden Jun 17 09:05:59 * timeless_mbp doesn't think ham ever used /var/cache/apt/archives Jun 17 09:06:38 ham? as in hamattan or something like that? Jun 17 09:06:45 !ham Jun 17 09:06:48 ~ham Jun 17 09:06:49 somebody said ham was oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. Jun 17 09:06:53 ahh Jun 17 09:07:33 hmm bummer lol so it seems like I should've gone through updating using apt-get afterall oh well, thanks Jun 17 09:07:34 it uses /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache i believe Jun 17 09:08:38 fwiw, i'd like to retract my comment about recalling seeing a cursor in chromium Jun 17 09:08:42 i can't find one Jun 17 09:08:54 I did a system-wide search for deb files and trying to go through the list manually to see where it could have reside but none of the newly downloaded apps were visible apart from the location I initially indicated and other personally created directories Jun 17 09:09:17 * psycho_oreos will dig deeper again Jun 17 09:09:22 thanks timeless_mbp will look into it Jun 17 09:10:51 hmm its blank, looks like its being deleted as soon as the packages are being installed Jun 17 09:11:03 s/blank/empty/g Jun 17 09:11:03 psycho_oreos meant: hmm its empty, looks like its being deleted as soon as the packages are being installed Jun 17 09:13:03 * timeless_mbp didn't say it was a particularly persistent cache ;-b Jun 17 09:15:17 I suppose that's probably how ham handles packages :) meaning that in the future I'll just have to go through the old fashioned method Jun 17 09:19:09 now I have a stupid question, packages made for diablo are definitely incompatible with fremantle right? :) trying to get privoxy but am lazy to do it all in scratchbox Jun 17 10:01:46 Need four more karma for my app Jun 17 10:01:51 Who wants to do some testing? :) Jun 17 10:03:58 what app Jun 17 10:04:15 Surfa: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.2/ Jun 17 10:06:14 alterego: what exactly does it do? Jun 17 10:06:40 ah.. nowplaying status plugin Jun 17 10:06:46 It updates your IM accounts status messages to reflect the song you're listening to on the media player. Jun 17 10:06:52 Yes, Jun 17 10:07:03 sorry, no testing from me. I use last.fm on desktop Jun 17 10:07:16 And that stops you from testing? Jun 17 10:07:43 Where's your community support! :P Jun 17 10:07:53 alterego: who said that I support community? Jun 17 10:07:57 s/support/spirit/ Jun 17 10:08:14 timeless_mbp: yeah, that's probably better :) Jun 17 10:08:28 hrw: do you actually have anything better to do right now? Jun 17 10:08:30 :P Jun 17 10:08:54 I think they should update package karma weights. Jun 17 10:09:08 So the more experienced the community member the more karma points they give a pacage. Jun 17 10:09:13 Would solve my problem :P Jun 17 10:09:49 alterego: yes. merging normal and cross rules in ubuntu gcc-4.5 packaging Jun 17 10:10:00 oh, that sounds like fun Jun 17 10:10:06 Hello everybody! Doesn't anyone know how to adapt this example : http://pastebin.com/MYMgpCcE into letting me get ALL phoneNumbers of a contact? Jun 17 10:10:12 hrw: boring .. Test and vote for my package :P Jun 17 10:11:18 Or just vote .. It has been tested through the kazoo. Jun 17 10:11:32 Plus, you get extra karma for it .. Jun 17 10:12:43 I was kind of disappointed I missed that MeeGo wiki page :( Jun 17 10:12:48 alterego: I tend to gather karma by insulting nokia on my blog Jun 17 10:13:09 I woke up at seven to, I thought, hrm, I could check maemo.org, but didn't and just fell asleep again. Jun 17 10:13:17 hrw: well, that's hardly productive is it :P Jun 17 10:13:50 which meego wiki page? Jun 17 10:14:02 Bananasandpears Jun 17 10:14:17 Quim deleted it shortly after the t.m.o post about it.l Jun 17 10:14:36 Sounded like some leaked handheld UX pictures and page Jun 17 10:14:45 Reggie found it on the meego.org wiki Jun 17 10:14:50 alterego: no pictures Jun 17 10:15:06 Oh, no pictures? Jun 17 10:15:11 Boring, don't mind anymore :) Jun 17 10:15:25 einval: presumably it depends on what kind of object 'a' is Jun 17 10:15:53 alterego: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=pl&q=cache:http://wiki.meego.com/BananasandPears&btnG=Szukaj&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= Jun 17 10:16:31 the page is still in gcache Jun 17 10:17:08 ooh, meego is great because it does mult-tasking Jun 17 10:17:19 does that mean symbian is great? :) Jun 17 10:17:59 That is a lot of text ... Jun 17 10:18:03 And no pictures :( :D Jun 17 10:18:36 timeless_mbp: symbian is even more great Jun 17 10:18:54 timeless_mbp: do you fancy voting/testing my package? Jun 17 10:18:55 is that because it can multi-multi-task? :) Jun 17 10:19:00 I need 4 more! Jun 17 10:19:04 alterego: give me the necessary accounts, and sure Jun 17 10:19:17 alterego: ? Jun 17 10:19:20 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.2/ Jun 17 10:19:31 timeless_mbp: you mean IM accounts? :P Jun 17 10:19:43 alterego: there was a wiki leaked that is on the official site and all and quim deleted the post? Jun 17 10:19:49 * tybollt confused now Jun 17 10:19:59 tybollt: yes, that's what appeared to happen. Jun 17 10:20:02 s33kr|tz Jun 17 10:20:28 alterego: if the page is readily available on meego.com then why can't we look at it? Jun 17 10:20:52 tybollt: it was a page on the wiki, that Quim deleted this morning after someone put it up. Jun 17 10:20:56 Probably by mistake. Jun 17 10:21:37 aaah Jun 17 10:22:05 He put a cheaky comment: "Waiting for Handheld UX Day 1" or something. Jun 17 10:22:09 Cheaky man. Jun 17 10:22:15 ~cheeky .. Jun 17 10:22:23 I've not had a coffee yet :) Jun 17 10:22:26 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jun 17 10:22:33 does 'appdownloader' not support testing? Jun 17 10:23:04 Not sure, but I was going to look into helping that project today, but I'm not sure I'm going to have the time. Jun 17 10:23:44 alterego: category 'devel'?? Jun 17 10:23:58 timeless_mbp: multimedia Jun 17 10:24:07 alterego: ham claims it's devel Jun 17 10:24:20 Erm, it's in extras-devel and in extras-testing Jun 17 10:24:34 It should be under multimedia in HAM on both Jun 17 10:24:51 Section: Jun 17 10:24:51 user/multimedia Jun 17 10:26:18 oh Jun 17 10:26:20 you're right Jun 17 10:26:25 it's Catalog, not Category Jun 17 10:26:27 that's confusing Jun 17 10:26:39 Neat, Zenbound is in ovi store Jun 17 10:27:04 4 quid, hrm ... :) Jun 17 10:27:08 I think I will buy it Jun 17 10:28:32 alterego: please fix the first line of your description Jun 17 10:28:36 it shouldn't be a sentence Jun 17 10:28:57 What should it be? Jun 17 10:29:34 some sort of phrase :) Jun 17 10:29:55 I don't see anything wrong with it .. Jun 17 10:30:08 mdbus2 and NeHeGLES have proper first line descriptions Jun 17 10:30:10 Is there something specific in the QA docs that say anything about that? :P Jun 17 10:30:19 alterego: it's from debian packaging rules Jun 17 10:30:26 ffff Jun 17 10:30:30 maemo is different Jun 17 10:30:42 We use that line to have a formative description of the package. Jun 17 10:30:46 In HAM Jun 17 10:30:48 Can anyone explain the 3rd argument for me in this method : ? QList QContact::details ( const QString & definitionName, const QString & fieldName, const QString & value ) const Jun 17 10:30:48 look at media in ham Jun 17 10:31:07 most of the items that aren't lame (canola addins are lame) don't use sentences for the first line Jun 17 10:31:34 Well, what would you suggest I put there instead? Jun 17 10:31:44 And after the effort it's taken me to get just 6 votes .. Jun 17 10:31:51 I can't be f*cked to start all over again :( Jun 17 10:31:58 Just for a bloody description line :P Jun 17 10:33:17 Is it just the punctuation you have issue with? Jun 17 10:33:38 probably Jun 17 10:33:48 :P Jun 17 10:33:54 (and add the word 'the' before current) Jun 17 10:34:02 You're going to do me for grammer, you bloody pedant :P Jun 17 10:34:09 omfg Jun 17 10:34:10 you know who i am Jun 17 10:34:20 It's just a friggin' description! Jun 17 10:34:29 Heh, it plays it's purpose. Jun 17 10:34:34 It's not confusing Jun 17 10:34:34 "Use current song for IM status message" Jun 17 10:34:43 is what I'd suggest Jun 17 10:34:52 Noted, I'll add it to 0.3 Jun 17 10:34:57 now vote for 0.2 :P Jun 17 10:35:13 how do i use it? :) Jun 17 10:35:17 Heh Jun 17 10:35:31 You install it, then you go into the Settings app and in the bottom section you'll see the configuration UI Jun 17 10:35:46 "via" is wrong Jun 17 10:35:54 "on my" is better Jun 17 10:36:11 Good job you can change it :P Jun 17 10:36:18 And what if it isn't mine? :P Jun 17 10:36:32 you're listening to music on someone else's n900? Jun 17 10:36:34 thief! Jun 17 10:37:06 :) Jun 17 10:37:09 you could use "@n900" instead of "on my Nokia N900" Jun 17 10:37:41 "Use current song/artist for IM status message" Jun 17 10:37:43 That better? Jun 17 10:37:48 yes Jun 17 10:37:59 Okay, that's in 0.3 :) Jun 17 10:38:13 And in the changelog: "* Updated description line for timeless" Jun 17 10:38:16 :P Jun 17 10:38:18 :) Jun 17 10:39:16 "Tweet and spam facebook lyrics of the current song and artist bio cause people are so interested" Jun 17 10:39:27 pexi: doesn't do that. Jun 17 10:39:30 > Listening to "Closer To Where You Want Me" by "Chad Gendason" on my Nokia N900 Jun 17 10:39:35 the music is cr*p Jun 17 10:39:41 Heh Jun 17 10:40:07 pexi: in version 0.4 I was thinking of adding a "get video from youtube and publish on facebook" button. Jun 17 10:40:12 So if you really like a song you can do that. Jun 17 10:40:17 :) Jun 17 10:40:21 But it doesn't update facebook status messages. Jun 17 10:44:36 Oooo, buying my first ovi app :) Jun 17 10:44:57 demand a refund! Jun 17 10:45:00 alterego: uuh, did you use just free software before that? :-) Jun 17 10:45:11 Yes Jun 17 10:45:18 There was nothing particularly interesting. Jun 17 10:45:29 I'll probably buy the angry birds level pack too later. Jun 17 10:45:30 If I can be assed. Jun 17 10:47:00 assed? Jun 17 10:47:27 When I can convince myself to do it. Jun 17 10:47:57 MohammadAG51, Jun 17 10:49:09 Erm, it's not done anything :( Jun 17 10:49:38 It's said I've "downloaded" it, but, well, I haven't. Jun 17 10:49:39 wtf .. Jun 17 10:50:27 confusing ... Jun 17 10:51:44 New firmware available? Jun 17 10:52:31 Got SMS from Nokia stating that, but it felt strange update came THAT fast Jun 17 10:53:05 huh? Jun 17 10:53:10 stskeeps: i tried out the latest hildon-theme-example-stskeeps, and it looks like it's missing the new pr1.2 keyboard and some other stuff. i also tried forking D-Iivil's d-theme-night with the try_it_out script (it has the new pr1.2 stuff) and that worked fine. Jun 17 10:53:23 hm Jun 17 10:53:30 nope, no upgrade Jun 17 10:53:48 sounds phishy to me Jun 17 10:55:57 Thankyou timeless :) Jun 17 10:58:18 Oh, it downloads in the background through the browser .. Jun 17 10:58:18 Interesting .. Jun 17 10:58:20 Anyhow, shower time. Jun 17 11:15:55 happy ending! Jun 17 11:24:47 satmd: there's been a few threads on TMO regarding htis Jun 17 11:25:30 satmd: loads of people have received the texts, but there is no new update. It would appear this is a mass SMS'ing to warn the public at large that PR1.2 is availab.e Jun 17 11:27:01 oh Jun 17 11:28:19 Gaaaaaaaaaagh Jun 17 11:28:35 * SpeedEvil performs the heinlich manouever on Jaffa. Jun 17 11:28:49 heimlich Jun 17 11:28:50 * crashanddie starts dancing while listening to Foals - Olympic Airways Jun 17 11:29:59 what's up Jaffa? Jun 17 11:30:40 * SpeedEvil starts dancing while listening to "BBC - More Or Less'. Jun 17 11:32:34 * achipa starts dancing while listening to "Basil Poledouris - Battle of the Mounds (Part 1)" Jun 17 11:32:36 NOT Jun 17 11:33:16 timeless: your karma is pretty low for an old timer. Jun 17 11:33:25 Not that I can say much .. Mine's lower :P Jun 17 11:38:12 crashanddie: Dealing with communication and "community" issues :-/ Jun 17 11:38:24 Oh, he's gone Jun 17 11:39:44 Jaffa: he's dancing by himself Jun 17 11:40:32 lol Jun 17 11:45:26 alterego: but you're not an old timer Jun 17 11:45:38 define oldtimer crashie Jun 17 11:46:04 more than 3 or 4 years within Maemo? Jun 17 11:46:15 crashanddie: yeah Jun 17 11:46:17 using the 770, and sticking with the NITs ever since? Jun 17 11:46:21 Been here since about 2006 Jun 17 11:46:26 Indeed Jun 17 11:46:29 oh really? Jun 17 11:46:30 I have one of every tablet Jun 17 11:46:39 Sure, I've been here for ages. Jun 17 11:46:39 I thought you were n8x0 generation. Jun 17 11:46:48 No, I had a 770 Jun 17 11:46:50 * tybollt fights the pressing urge to YARLY!11 :) Jun 17 11:46:57 And I was here before I made the choice of getting one :P Jun 17 11:47:12 troll Jun 17 11:47:12 I was using the SDK waaaaaay before I got the device. Jun 17 11:47:21 aye, ditto Jun 17 11:47:27 * tybollt slaps MohammadAG51 w/ frals Jun 17 11:47:45 well, I cheated, school bought me an n800, then I bought an n810. Jun 17 11:47:54 Admittedly, I'm not sure when I first logged into IRC though. Jun 17 11:48:02 tybollt, grr, now I have to shower, again Jun 17 11:48:11 I've always generally been more on here than on the community site. Jun 17 11:48:21 there's a community site? Jun 17 11:48:26 And I never really did anything on ITT, I've only recently been posting regularly on t.m.o Jun 17 11:49:13 MohammadAG51: Do you believe netanyahu's latest? Jun 17 11:49:43 I'm not really into politics, what about him Jun 17 11:50:26 talk about lifting some of the blockade against gaza, but meh... Jun 17 11:50:39 ##politics is full of talk about it Jun 17 11:50:42 what's a way to see why an app isn't launcher via the launcher (but it runs fine from the terminal)? Jun 17 11:50:58 best TMO post ever: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=718383&postcount=40 Jun 17 11:51:15 pigeon, try to guess? :P, seriously, pastebin the desktop file Jun 17 11:51:23 So, what do people think about having testing karma weighted to the voters karma score? I think people with more community experience should be worth more when it comes to testing. Jun 17 11:51:27 pigeon: i would extract that app's .deb archive and look whether it has a desktop file Jun 17 11:51:37 It's been a pain getting 10 people to vote for my package, and I still need more :( Jun 17 11:51:43 crashanddie: ++ Jun 17 11:51:47 lol crashanddie Jun 17 11:51:58 I need 3 more votes. Jun 17 11:52:19 you're not getting them, haha Jun 17 11:52:24 it's mobilehotspot if you have it, but otherwise: http://pastebin.com/DJXjs3zE Jun 17 11:52:26 * MohammadAG51 votes down Jun 17 11:52:30 now you need 4 Jun 17 11:53:33 idk, take out the stuff after /usr/bin/mobilehostpot Jun 17 11:53:48 alterego: I specifically think people in the range of 300-400 should have a weight of 10 times others. :) Jun 17 11:53:53 and /usr/bin is in a user's path, you can take that out too Jun 17 11:54:21 SpeedEvil: 2x would have got me into extras by now :P Jun 17 11:54:25 commercial websites suck, because they rely on keeping your eyes away from the information you are looking-for Jun 17 11:54:35 * SpeedEvil should do more testing, but only got round to a couple of packages yesterday. Going through all the interface, and doing powertop, et al is a bit timeonsuming. Jun 17 11:54:35 Is it worth a brainstorm? Jun 17 11:54:47 Yeah Jun 17 11:55:17 alterego: what package? Jun 17 11:55:39 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.2/ Jun 17 11:55:40 media-im-status-updater Jun 17 11:55:43 ha! Jun 17 11:55:53 I might make a irssi command binding for that :) Jun 17 11:56:17 pupnik: ##politics is a heap of shit Jun 17 11:56:22 After this operation, 17.6MB of additional disk space will be used. Jun 17 11:56:22 Jun 17 11:56:24 wtf? Jun 17 11:56:30 oh - pyside Jun 17 11:56:33 :) Jun 17 11:56:35 Heh Jun 17 11:56:45 Yeah, the actual package is tiny ;) Jun 17 11:56:54 SpeedEvil, who uses HAM! Jun 17 11:56:58 No, it's really not, if most people don't have pyside Jun 17 11:57:14 MohammadAG51: doesn't help Jun 17 11:57:14 Well, all my stuff is going to be based on PySide Jun 17 11:57:15 * SpeedEvil stabs all 'but the actual package is tiny' people. Jun 17 11:57:28 So, consider it an investment ... Jun 17 11:57:33 it was working before, but at some point it broke... Jun 17 11:58:03 pigeon, i'd be surprised if hildon-desktop outputs errors, but you could kill hildon-desktop and start it from terminal Jun 17 11:58:07 hi Jun 17 11:58:15 apt-get --reinstall install mobilehostpot then Jun 17 11:58:15 Anyone installed zenwrap? Jun 17 11:58:15 pigeon: never use that line during a car sale Jun 17 11:58:19 Quite fun :) Jun 17 11:58:25 zen bound? Jun 17 11:58:32 crashanddie: ;) Jun 17 11:58:36 MohammadAG51: yeah, that one. Jun 17 11:58:40 is there any way to disable "automatic sync of package manager repos after connecting to internet" on the n900? Jun 17 11:58:51 arachnist, yes it is Jun 17 11:58:51 MohammadAG51: o_O mobilehotspot? this what I think it is? o_O Jun 17 11:58:54 * SpeedEvil points to arachnists question. Jun 17 11:58:54 alterego, yeah, the music's better than the game at some points :P Jun 17 11:59:09 tybollt, it's been there for ages Jun 17 11:59:14 I like how it says "Made for headphones" at the beginning :) Jun 17 11:59:14 Venemo: other than removing, for example, /usr/libexec/apt-worker? Jun 17 11:59:31 crashanddie: politics is also a heap of shit ;) Jun 17 11:59:31 alterego: btw, I voted for your package :P Jun 17 11:59:32 alterego, cause it sounds better in headphones Jun 17 11:59:40 * MohammadAG51 votes it down Jun 17 11:59:41 Venemo: I know, thank you :) Jun 17 11:59:55 MohammadAG51: unless you've got a load of accounts, voting it down will only work once :P Jun 17 12:00:06 tybollt: what do you think it is? ;) Jun 17 12:00:12 i haz friendz Jun 17 12:00:15 Venemo: how is your project going? Did my idea help you? Jun 17 12:00:24 arachnist: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo Jun 17 12:00:30 GeneralAntilles: you know how people use the world "surreal" when things are really, not? Jun 17 12:00:32 alterego: it did help, a lot! Jun 17 12:00:36 MohammadAG51: wicked, reinstalling fixes it... Jun 17 12:00:45 lol Jun 17 12:00:49 Venemo: sweet Jun 17 12:00:50 alterego: yesterday I couldn't finish it, but now I'm working on creating a workable application :) Jun 17 12:00:52 I think this nearly qualifies as "surreal": "A German student created a major traffic jam in Bavaria after making a rude gesture at a group of Hell's Angels motorcycle gang members, hurling a puppy at them and then escaping on a stolen bulldozer." Jun 17 12:00:53 Venemo: thanks Jun 17 12:01:16 hmm, its postinst does two things, gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor and update-sudoers Jun 17 12:01:18 Venemo: well, that's good. I saw the problem has been ongoing for a few days for you before yesterday :D Jun 17 12:01:21 arachnist: look at the bottom of the page Jun 17 12:01:24 hmm Jun 17 12:01:33 MohammadAG51: anyway, thanks. Jun 17 12:01:37 Venemo: yeah, there's "contents" on top Jun 17 12:01:50 alterego: indeed, but yesterday and the day before that I was mostly distracted by the new Qt Creator... Jun 17 12:02:13 Heh Jun 17 12:02:18 pigeon, update-sudoers is there to update well, sudoers, i.e it's running something with sudo Jun 17 12:02:19 alterego: I found a few bugs in it that prevented me from even running my app Jun 17 12:02:31 the other script is empty since 1.1 Jun 17 12:02:42 ok Jun 17 12:02:53 Venemo: Yeah, you said. Do you ever get the problem when after running a program, doesn't matter on the target, you can no longer edit your source? Jun 17 12:03:26 pigeon, compare desktop file Jun 17 12:03:27 s Jun 17 12:03:49 alterego: after re-enabling the packaging step, no Jun 17 12:04:10 alterego: however, there was also a problem with that one, but I was fortunate enough to solve it :) Jun 17 12:04:43 Venemo: this is a problem I've had with all versions of Qt Creator, even when developing for desktop, so no packaging at all anyway. Jun 17 12:05:07 Venemo: as soon as I run the app, 1/20 times the editor wont be working afterwards. Jun 17 12:05:24 Sometimes you can coax it back into life by doing another build, or re-running the program. Jun 17 12:05:31 But otherwise, it's really bloody annoying :) Jun 17 12:05:34 alterego: interesting, for me it has always worked Jun 17 12:05:44 Venemo: what OS? Jun 17 12:05:56 alterego: Windows 7 Jun 17 12:05:58 MohammadAG51: interesting. now there are a lot less stuff in the desktop file Jun 17 12:06:07 all those X- are gone for instance... Jun 17 12:06:10 hey, did anyone else got a text that a new update was available? Jun 17 12:06:11 Hrm, yeah, I imagine it has something to do with ubuntu 64bit Jun 17 12:06:11 alterego: but I'm quite new to Qt -> perhaps beginner's luck? Jun 17 12:06:20 Venemo: possibly. :) Jun 17 12:06:26 alterego: :) Jun 17 12:06:38 timeless_mbp, fix your loadfile, you should have a changed host before you join the channel Jun 17 12:06:42 I still reckon it's 64bit ubuntu/linux that it has issues with. I should probably ask #qtcreator or whatever. Jun 17 12:07:13 alterego: yeah Jun 17 12:07:25 alterego: btw, the Qt Creator guys have been very helpful Jun 17 12:08:21 Cool Jun 17 12:08:48 lol @ suggestion for a "Comes with pr0n" capaign Jun 17 12:08:54 campaign* Jun 17 12:09:00 brb Jun 17 12:13:59 MohammadAG51: ?? Jun 17 12:15:21 "What's the problem in Nokia!? People is not working as a team!!" thread is full of sh** Jun 17 12:15:40 people are doing nothing but working as a team, heh Jun 17 12:17:54 something is stinking Jun 17 12:17:56 badly Jun 17 12:17:58 very badly Jun 17 12:18:06 bugs? Jun 17 12:18:06 did u fart pupnik !? Jun 17 12:18:10 >:( Jun 17 12:18:29 Anyone played Zen Bound? Jun 17 12:19:44 When do we get an Analog clock as a widget? :p Jun 17 12:19:45 haha Jun 17 12:20:23 when you program it. Jun 17 12:20:27 cairo clock has been around for a while. Jun 17 12:20:50 cairo clock Jun 17 12:20:50 hmmm Jun 17 12:20:55 for N900? Jun 17 12:21:05 I believe so Jun 17 12:22:22 seems like its for N810 Jun 17 12:23:48 what about nclock? Jun 17 12:28:40 oclock Jun 17 12:30:26 SpeedEvil: you testing my app? Jun 17 12:31:07 no. Jun 17 12:31:09 why oh why does my scratchbox install break on each reboot Jun 17 12:31:19 I am lubricating my chainsaw. Jun 17 12:31:28 Heh, is it your sysctl settings? :P Jun 17 12:31:34 O_o Jun 17 12:31:55 alterego, I have to reinstall the scratchbox* debs again Jun 17 12:32:11 It says something similar to cannot run C compiled programs Jun 17 12:32:17 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4693091125/ - trying to make this hedge sane Jun 17 12:32:22 Erm, hmmmm ... Jun 17 12:32:37 SpeedEvil, nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure Jun 17 12:33:06 SpeedEvil: flamethrower? Jun 17 12:33:34 throw bric.... err N900s at it! Jun 17 12:33:53 yay, I broke it even more ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! Jun 17 12:33:57 there is this really great stuff from monsanto Jun 17 12:34:03 i think its called "rounup" Jun 17 12:34:20 MohammadAG: just don't reboot :P Jun 17 12:34:20 alterego, you do realize all your email/skype addresses/names are in the screenshot right? :P Jun 17 12:34:21 that nukes everything green Jun 17 12:34:32 SpeedEvil has a real cool house/project Jun 17 12:34:32 MohammadAG: indeed, but I don't really care :P Jun 17 12:34:33 just spray it on and planbt a new hedge after a week Jun 17 12:34:50 Tachikoma: It's ~100 years old - the hedge Jun 17 12:35:06 Tachikoma: The beech trees it is comprised of have trunks 12" in diameter Jun 17 12:35:06 will not help against roundup :) Jun 17 12:35:11 This'll be one PITA, and it prolly won't work, but.. downloading nautilus source Jun 17 12:35:48 I tried doing it once, a lot of gnome deps. Jun 17 12:36:29 can anyone help with this issue.... I am no longer able to play clips i record with my n900 when plug to my tv with the component cables.. but clips and movies i transferred to the device including the "9" preview will play on my tv but not the ones i recorded with the n900....very strange Jun 17 12:37:13 an0therb0x, do they play on the regular screen Jun 17 12:37:14 andre41, nclock is not a widget Jun 17 12:37:36 lcuk: everything plays on the regular screen... yes Jun 17 12:37:54 HtheB, grrr, when the author should change his/her package description. sorry :-/ Jun 17 12:37:58 and what happens when you have tvout regularly - around the desktop etc Jun 17 12:38:00 s/when/then Jun 17 12:39:07 SpeedEvil: the poison works by stopping the photosynthesis to work, not the best thing for most of the plants .... Jun 17 12:39:42 lcuk: my recorded clips will play on the n900 screen but do not show on the tv, maybe its a pal/ntsc thing .. maybe Jun 17 12:40:18 =( Jun 17 12:40:23 an0therb0x, like i said, just on the regular dashboard, not trying to play movies does tvout show correctly Jun 17 12:41:07 lcuk: tv out shows correctly Jun 17 12:41:21 ok, so its not a pal/ntsc thing.. Jun 17 12:41:31 now with tvout running if you start a movie Jun 17 12:41:33 what happens Jun 17 12:41:36 does it turn black Jun 17 12:41:43 or does it continue showing regular desktop ui Jun 17 12:42:25 lcuk: yes it turns black when playing my recorded clips Jun 17 12:43:24 an0therb0x, and at the same time thats black, the main n900 is showing the clip correctly Jun 17 12:44:15 lcuk: correct the clip its displayed on the device Jun 17 12:44:48 it *sounds* like the yuv overlay is opening, but the movie is then being played back on regular rgb still Jun 17 12:46:41 lcuk: you lost me there Jun 17 12:47:16 an0therb0x, the n900 can show 2 types of data to the tv out Jun 17 12:47:32 the regular desktop rgb x11 windows, or the yuv overlay Jun 17 12:48:26 Wow, do people actually still use ICQ Jun 17 12:49:28 http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7420/screenshot2010061715484.png http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6114/screenshot2010061715245.png any idea what could be causing the battery to discharge this fast? stock fresh pr1.2, two months old batt Jun 17 12:50:02 and that was normal to high usage, but i think the battery discharges faster than normal Jun 17 12:50:37 alterego: quite a lot Jun 17 12:50:51 lcuk: i noticed this after the firmware update... but it may not be related Jun 17 12:53:55 an0therb0x, it does sound odd Jun 17 12:56:55 for the Hildon coders interested in MeeGo: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-June/003201.html Jun 17 12:58:02 I think I might keep a copy of this zen bound .deb, just in case. Jun 17 12:58:39 alterego, don't give it out, seriously, don't :) Jun 17 12:58:52 I wasn't planning on it. Jun 17 12:58:54 alterego, till the ovi store gains momentum at least Jun 17 12:58:59 But if there's a download limit on ovi store. Jun 17 12:59:14 I don't want to accidentally exceed that by continually downloading it :P Jun 17 12:59:50 I wonder if that download limit is for the life of the account or for a week or something Jun 17 13:00:18 Ovi? Momentum? Jun 17 13:00:25 Funny Jun 17 13:01:56 MicroB didn't tell me it was downloading, so I clicked download again and when I looked in the download manager it was downloading twice Jun 17 13:02:23 Very good game though Jun 17 13:03:15 vldcnst: powrtop Jun 17 13:06:24 Ovi? Momentum? Jun 17 13:06:25 Funny Jun 17 13:06:29 I always wanted to be a comedian Jun 17 13:10:47 well, ovi store has huge momentum in certain markets Jun 17 13:15:03 Surfa: it has all of twenty downloads so far? Jun 17 13:15:31 tybollt, well, there are people living outside western countries if you haven't noticed Jun 17 13:15:51 orly Jun 17 13:16:13 your comments looked that you didn't know :P Jun 17 13:16:37 oh... i see some new app on ovi Jun 17 13:16:43 there are countries in the east? thought its just some people with mulees Jun 17 13:17:03 and china... Jun 17 13:17:30 is there a quick way to just see replies to my messages on t.m.o? Jun 17 13:18:29 chem|st: you forget the one with the bomb and the one who invented your donner kebab (als integrations factor) Jun 17 13:19:07 ah, zen boundit Jun 17 13:20:21 pupnik: at your profile it lists how many replies a thread has only Jun 17 13:20:44 marmoute: döner kebab was invented in germany Jun 17 13:21:43 chem|st: I know but by turkish worker. Jun 17 13:21:43 the one with the bomb? russia? Jun 17 13:23:40 chem|st: that is a very nice piece of trivia Jun 17 13:26:13 GAN900: could you kick quim for keeping people alert for >10 days - for nothing >:-( Jun 17 13:26:49 DigitalPioneer: why have you been alert for 10 days? :P Jun 17 13:27:05 what does 'on alert' mean Jun 17 13:28:27 Yeah, that too. Jun 17 13:28:31 Vote for my app Jun 17 13:28:42 * MohammadAG51 kickbans alterego Jun 17 13:28:50 I just need 3 more!>">!?!??!"£ Jun 17 13:29:09 ? Jun 17 13:29:39 I wonder how successful zenbound will be, at 4GBP a pop, that's quite cool. Jun 17 13:30:21 Right, I'm off, see you all later. Jun 17 13:30:41 I wonder when meego will become open-source Jun 17 13:31:29 crap the other way round I mean Jun 17 13:33:47 GAN900: it's incredibly hard to ask all the neighbours to help catching a DHL package delivery, day for day for day. Probably the value of that package reaches break even with the value of all the favours I owe my neighbours very soon Jun 17 13:35:43 can't you leave a sign on the door, "Please ring neighbor's bell"? Jun 17 13:35:54 If you need a signature, they can't release it there anyway, right? Jun 17 13:35:55 GAN900: and they already intercepted one delivery addressed to my landlord :-P Jun 17 13:36:59 DocScrutinizer2, yeah, I dunno what's up. . .. Jun 17 13:39:48 chem|st: open source becomes MeEgo? Jun 17 13:43:20 MohammadAG Jun 17 13:43:27 * eitama wave Jun 17 13:43:32 * eitama waves Jun 17 13:43:38 * MohammadAG waves back Jun 17 13:43:49 My app is working!!! Jun 17 13:44:02 with calls? Jun 17 13:44:11 Only gsm calls Jun 17 13:44:12 yes Jun 17 13:44:14 for now Jun 17 13:44:21 I will add skype and gmail Jun 17 13:44:31 and also only english or numeric contacts Jun 17 13:44:31 without dbus? Jun 17 13:44:35 with (: Jun 17 13:44:38 but using QtDbus Jun 17 13:44:40 HA! Jun 17 13:44:43 hehehehe Jun 17 13:44:45 Owned Jun 17 13:44:52 * eitama Hides in plain sight Jun 17 13:45:38 eitama: gtk theme? Jun 17 13:45:40 DocScrutinizer2: DHL? Aka "we'll be there precisely at ANYTIME between 08:00-17:00 hours Jun 17 13:45:43 ? Jun 17 13:45:46 :) Jun 17 13:46:05 * tybollt long since gave up on that shit Jun 17 13:46:10 Oh god, E3 is 936 + 1458 + 1382 MBs Jun 17 13:46:15 tybollt: yep. even worse I got no idea about any tracking number or anything Jun 17 13:46:19 (3 parts) Jun 17 13:46:25 I just tell them I'll pick up the package at their HUB Jun 17 13:46:45 doc: Oh then you're in for a PITA I suppose :) Jun 17 13:46:51 Anyone knows how to package an app and upload to garage/extras-devel from Qt SDK in windows? and wants to save me some time? Jun 17 13:46:59 By explaining it to me ofc (: Jun 17 13:47:00 tybm gilollt: yep, thanks qui Jun 17 13:47:06 shit Jun 17 13:47:13 tybollt: yes, thanks quim gil Jun 17 13:47:21 am I now ... tybLOLt? :) Jun 17 13:47:43 DocScrutinizer2: he sending you a new device I suppose? :) Jun 17 13:47:53 I'm told he did Jun 17 13:48:04 There was a funny Maemo bug today Jun 17 13:48:05 dunno if that holds true Jun 17 13:48:24 A guy reported a bug against the chess program for doing an illegal move. Jun 17 13:48:42 The sequence was 1. D2-D4 E4xD3 Jun 17 13:48:45 hehehehe Jun 17 13:48:46 s/illegal/faulty/ Jun 17 13:49:05 So I pointed him to en passant Jun 17 13:49:47 tybollt, ? Jun 17 13:50:40 s/faulty/new/ :-P Jun 17 13:51:12 (new obviously only to the reporter) Jun 17 13:53:48 dneary; do you have a link? Jun 17 13:54:08 to the bug, or to an explanation of en passant? Jun 17 13:54:22 to the bug Jun 17 13:54:29 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10694 Jun 17 13:54:30 Bug 10694: Invalid move: After initial two-square move, pawn beaten on square in-between Jun 17 13:55:02 thanks Jun 17 13:55:55 dneary, im surprised no1 has discovered a real bug with maemo chess yet :p Jun 17 13:56:19 lcuk, It's not like it's a new game with ill-understood rules... Jun 17 13:56:57 dneary, tell that to my missus Jun 17 13:57:17 i didn't remember en passant existed Jun 17 13:58:01 how many do really play chess? Jun 17 13:58:25 TriztN900, Used to... never was any good Jun 17 13:58:35 TriztN900, Now I prefer Go Jun 17 13:58:44 * TriztN900 nods Jun 17 13:58:48 GAN900: tybollt: (DHL, PITA) yes, it probably would have been much less hostile to send me a couple of hooligans to run over me and my flat, than to announce a DHL shipment that obviously is a mere make up Jun 17 13:59:03 TriztN900, \o Jun 17 14:00:47 Nokia's revenge, as they couldn't get me with PR1.2 :-P Jun 17 14:00:47 Hello, gotta ask one little thing. I have been reading this blog article, http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2010/06/15/mynokia-in-maemos-pr1-2-release/ Jun 17 14:01:17 And I wonder that does every N900 with PR 1.2 get automatically the MyNokia service? Does the MyNokia service have to be activated somehow by registering or? Jun 17 14:02:21 DrGrov: see http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2010/06/15/mynokia-in-maemos-pr1-2-release/ Jun 17 14:02:37 DocScrutinizer: thanks. i surely hope Nokia does not have any bullshit going on this time around Jun 17 14:03:04 DocScrutinizer: I am reading that one, the link is the same :) lol Jun 17 14:03:05 DrGrov: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 Jun 17 14:03:06 Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user Jun 17 14:03:32 DrGrov: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Jun 17 14:03:35 DocScrutinizer2: thanks. reading Jun 17 14:03:57 lcuk: how many cookies do I get from qgil if I send him this: http://www.segfault.free.fr/board2.html ? Jun 17 14:04:38 crashanddie: ?? Jun 17 14:05:08 DocScrutinizer2: I just wrote a simple chess board in javascript Jun 17 14:05:25 DocScrutinizer2: thanks for the links. how does that really affect the use of the N900? I have never got any type of MyNokia message or such never. Jun 17 14:05:41 DrGrov: it is mostly a privacy issue Jun 17 14:05:51 Venemo: ok, i see. Jun 17 14:06:03 Any Finnish users got that MyNokia thing as well popping up? Jun 17 14:06:14 DrGrov: some people are concerned about what would happen if Noki would know their phone number Jun 17 14:06:15 I have no memory of ever seeing it popping up with the PR 1.2 update Jun 17 14:06:46 Venemo: Ah, so they could use it illegally? Jun 17 14:07:40 anyone here into chess? Jun 17 14:08:26 DrGrov: I consider them knowing my number is illegal, and sending me SMS on arbitrary time of day is maximum annoying Jun 17 14:09:04 DocScrutinizer2: yes, they should not know your private number or any number what so ever. agreed with you on that. how can I check if the service is turned on without actually activating the bloody thing? Jun 17 14:09:17 DrGrov: settings / my nokia Jun 17 14:09:25 DrGrov: and it can be disabled Jun 17 14:09:27 DocScrutinizer2: ah, so the buggers keep sending SMS message throughout the day? Jun 17 14:09:29 or more specifically: I want people to join me working on something: an online chess service that uses whichever front-end you want. No account creation. Set-up a new game in one click, send it to a friend, start playing. Use the same link in your N900 chess application. Move your pieces through twitter. Jun 17 14:09:31 won't work, don't touch hat Jun 17 14:09:39 DrGrov: they haven't sent me anything yet Jun 17 14:09:46 that* Jun 17 14:09:48 DocScrutinizer2: ah, so I should not go and touch the damn mynokia? Jun 17 14:10:18 Venemo: you have not either got any SMS? I will give Nokia Health Care a angry god damn call tomorrow Jun 17 14:10:25 Mark my word, they will hear about this Jun 17 14:10:36 Venemo: DrGrov seems only way to check is to visit the MyNokia website and there your profile Jun 17 14:10:50 DrGrov: no, not really. Jun 17 14:11:02 DocScrutinizer2: ah, so if I do not keep getting SMS messages it most likely is not turned on? Jun 17 14:11:08 DrGrov: I had my nokia back on my old N95, and they hardly ever sent any SMSes for that, either Jun 17 14:11:16 DrGrov: yep Jun 17 14:11:24 nah guys, brb Jun 17 14:12:07 DrGrov: and trying to turn off will send (another) SMS and so reveal all detail that has been kept undisclosed so far Jun 17 14:12:07 DocScrutinizer2: perhaps a private secret phone number that most people have disables this? Jun 17 14:12:22 DocScrutinizer2: ah, so I should really not touch the bloody MyNokia then? Jun 17 14:12:38 nope, never ever Jun 17 14:13:07 DocScrutinizer2: sorry, was not following you there. so if I do not get SMS messages from MyNokia the service is shut off? Jun 17 14:13:19 unclear Jun 17 14:13:36 you might have missed or they didn't send the welcome msg Jun 17 14:13:45 DocScrutinizer2, just fired off another email. We'll see. . . . Jun 17 14:13:54 DocScrutinizer: I have never ever missed a SMS. Jun 17 14:13:59 GAN900: thanks, mate Jun 17 14:14:23 DocScrutinizer2: ah so they could actually not even send a welcome msg? Jun 17 14:14:39 maybe, nobody knows for sure Jun 17 14:15:08 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 holds most exact detail I guess Jun 17 14:15:08 Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user Jun 17 14:15:11 DocScrutinizer2: ok. You got a hidden number from address books online etc.? so no one can ask for your name and find your number? Jun 17 14:15:28 exactly Jun 17 14:15:35 DocScrutinizer2: so it is due to the update itself the MyNokia message is being sent? Jun 17 14:15:45 yes Jun 17 14:15:50 DocScrutinizer2: I got myself a hidden number as well. Jun 17 14:16:11 DrGrov: and so far I get zero spam SMS Jun 17 14:16:17 DocScrutinizer2: I know I would have seen it with the PR 1.2 update the welcome message but no... Jun 17 14:16:40 DocScrutinizer2: ah, so perhaps it might be connected in a way to just pick unhidden numbers? Perhaps not though... Jun 17 14:17:08 DocScrutinizer2: so even if you don't get spam SMS there is a chance it is still active? Jun 17 14:17:38 DocScrutinizer2: it becomes active even though you never use MyNokia nor see the MyNokia screen nor get a welcome message? Sorry for my dumb questions... Jun 17 14:18:05 DrGrov: if you have a means to get a listing of sent SMS from your carrier, you might be sure about any SMS sent to one of the numbers listed in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53565 Jun 17 14:18:43 DocScrutinizer2: I can get a listing of sent SMS from my carrier. The price I gotta pay though is a bit high... :/ Jun 17 14:19:24 DocScrutinizer2: If the message is sent it does not leave a message log on the device? Jun 17 14:19:27 DrGrov: then your next best bet is to visit the MyNokia website and check your profile Jun 17 14:19:42 DocScrutinizer2: ah okay, i am checking MyNokia now as we speak. Jun 17 14:19:45 NEVER touch the MyNokia thing in settings Jun 17 14:20:04 world will come to an end if you do that Jun 17 14:20:28 I never understood what it is, what is mynokia? Jun 17 14:20:52 no, it will just send SMS on your behalf and bill, to unknown destination with unknown content Jun 17 14:20:54 DocScrutinizer2: I am now checking the Finnish version of My Nokia but I am now 1100% percent sure I have never registered for My Nokia. Jun 17 14:21:19 DocScrutinizer2: the Ovi Store is different from My Nokia, correctly? Jun 17 14:21:34 I guess it is a separate thing Jun 17 14:22:02 DocScrutinizer2: ok, good. Now I can be 11011% sure never I registered for My Nokia since I never register my phone number anywhere on the Internet nor anywhere else either. Jun 17 14:22:57 mynokia is that service that sends me all these sms that tell me that ovi ahs new and great content or that there is a new firmware available (the ovi store did not conatin anything new and of course there also was no update) that should only go to symbian users? Jun 17 14:22:59 DocScrutinizer2: and I predict that since I never got any type of My Nokia message nor 11010% registered I perhaps am safe. Jun 17 14:23:14 oh crikey. Jun 17 14:23:16 Tachikoma: ah, so my nokia is sending you also about updates? Jun 17 14:23:41 nonexistant updates, yes Jun 17 14:23:51 on Android channel there is a General_Crespin. GeneralAntilles, is he a relative of yours ;-) Jun 17 14:23:52 Tachikoma: I think it is more directed for Symbian users the firmware updates. Jun 17 14:24:09 aw. bah Jun 17 14:24:32 if Nokia even remotely is thinking about sending me some spam SMS I will make sure they know about it before.... Jun 17 14:24:36 DrGrov: yes, got two sms already telling me there would be a new update and points me to the webpage Jun 17 14:24:54 All i saw there was a 34mb or so .exe file that i would not touch Jun 17 14:25:10 Tachikoma: what webpage does it point you to? what type of update, firmware? Jun 17 14:25:31 As said, I think this was for symbian mobiles (as they all weree listed there) i just wonder how hard it must be to filter the sms by OS ... Jun 17 14:26:20 DocScrutinizer2: did you register yourself with your phone number for My Nokia or checked the status on My Nokia? Jun 17 14:26:24 DrGrov: no details, just a exe file and the request to downlaod that and updgrade. Which totally would look like a bad attemt to install malwere if i would not have been the real nokia webpage Jun 17 14:26:51 DrGrov: i registered with the pr1.2 update, there was no way to continue booting without registering Jun 17 14:26:53 Tachikoma: ah, yes. a serious attempt of installing malware. and strangely a .exe file... this happened on the N900? Jun 17 14:26:58 DrGrov: I never registered actively for MyNokia Jun 17 14:27:26 DocScrutinizer2: I'm just saying, if the website would not have been really nokia which i checked I would have informed the police Jun 17 14:27:27 DocScrutinizer2: okay, just curious. I will keep my sticky fingers away from MyNokia then and not even check my status. Jun 17 14:27:40 yes, happened on n900 Jun 17 14:27:52 Tachikoma: ah, so you could not boot your phone without accepting the MyNokia? Jun 17 14:28:32 So, let me get this straight now. The MyNokia thing comes at the same time the update is being done or after booting up the device after the PR 1.2 has finished installing? Jun 17 14:28:40 It's not that I would have expected anything else from Nokia after all my experience with nokia/n900. I'm not complaining as i don;t really care about a companies PR, I just have to giggle now and then and wonder what these guys are doing Jun 17 14:29:34 Tachikoma: they seem to be getting desperate.... lol Jun 17 14:29:59 DrGrov: with PR1.2 firstboot you get a license displayed that you have to agree which includes the creation of a mynokia account. At least for me in germany here. Then I get a bunch of totally useless mails from nokia that are not even intended for my phone's os Jun 17 14:30:36 Tachikoma: ah ok, I have not got any mails... Jun 17 14:30:43 Tachikoma: lol on the useless mails, typical Nokia Jun 17 14:30:44 and that nonsense is done via SMS you have to pay for Jun 17 14:31:00 DocScrutinizer2: so it keeps just coming as SMS? lol... Jun 17 14:31:13 so booting with a none working sim is a way to get around it? Jun 17 14:31:19 DrGrov: it's sms's, not mail Jun 17 14:31:27 and answering to them does not work Jun 17 14:31:35 I tried to send "WTF" back Jun 17 14:32:06 just wait for iAdds.. Jun 17 14:32:17 TriztN900: see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription, basically yes, that's part of the workaround Jun 17 14:32:31 what is a Nokia account then? Jun 17 14:32:36 That is for the forums, right? Jun 17 14:32:45 I personally don;t need nokia, ovi or anything - so I do not rerally care and see it as kind of an attempt in personal entertainment by nokia .... Jun 17 14:32:46 nope Jun 17 14:32:51 nokia account is for ovi Jun 17 14:33:06 DrGrov: i have no clue what a NOKIA ACCOUTN CAN DO AND NO PLANS TO FIND OUT ;) Jun 17 14:33:15 ups, sry for caps Jun 17 14:33:17 and still ovi is useless PoS on the N900 =) Jun 17 14:33:22 that's the irony of it all Jun 17 14:33:30 Doc: okey, but think it's too late for me Jun 17 14:33:38 nokia released their iPhone w/out an appstore Jun 17 14:33:42 so hilarious :) Jun 17 14:34:02 appstore suxx, use apt-get Jun 17 14:34:24 Tachikoma: LOL :) Jun 17 14:34:26 repositories > appstores Jun 17 14:34:26 apt-get does not work with ovi store apps anymore, right? Jun 17 14:34:31 Tachikoma: no problem for caps :) Jun 17 14:34:55 share on ovi is very useful imo Jun 17 14:35:19 tachikoma: who cares, nothing useful there Jun 17 14:35:27 Surfa: so nokia account is for Ovi? it has nothing to do with MyNokia then? Jun 17 14:35:54 DrGrov, no, mynokia is not exactly any account Jun 17 14:36:15 DrGrov: i *think* that the accoutn is to access all ovi and nokia stuff. But I would not be surprised at all if you need three or more accounts to use all of it. Jun 17 14:36:22 nokia account is unified account for ovi services Jun 17 14:36:39 Surfa: ah ok, so it is a completely different story. i registered for a Nokia account last autumn when I still had the N97. Jun 17 14:36:44 Tachikoma, not true Jun 17 14:36:59 DrGrov, that's right Jun 17 14:37:29 Surfa: ok, so mynokia is just a PR tool? Jun 17 14:37:30 DrGrov, mynokia is just a way to give information for users about capabilities of their phones Jun 17 14:37:33 Surfa: ok, so of course Ovi worked well with the N97. So thanks for clearing up that Nokia Account and MyNokia is two completely different things Jun 17 14:38:00 Tachikoma, not really, but depends on how you take it Jun 17 14:38:04 which nokia uses (at least in my case) as wrong it can be :) Jun 17 14:38:14 Then I am positive I have not registered for any MyNokia BS Jun 17 14:38:26 Tachikoma, well, imo it's good way of usage for some people, but you should be able to deregister too Jun 17 14:38:44 DrGrov, certain devices register themselves automatically upon first start Jun 17 14:39:01 with that infamous sms that no one is telling you Jun 17 14:39:55 DrGrov, but actually my nokia and nokia account are linked in a way that you can handle your settings by logging in with you nokia account Jun 17 14:40:11 see https://my.nokia.com Jun 17 14:40:24 Surfa: so it could have registered itself on PR 1.1 when I updated the first time when I got the device? Jun 17 14:40:45 DrGrov, i think that n900 registered itself only after pr1.2 update Jun 17 14:40:53 it didn't have mynokia capabilities before that Jun 17 14:41:10 Surfa: ah ok. I remember something about MyNokia back with Pr 1.1. Perhaps I am mistaken? Jun 17 14:41:46 i may be wrong about that, I'm not 100% sure Jun 17 14:42:37 but in general my nokia is just a information channel Jun 17 14:42:39 But the strangest thing is that I have never got any SMS from MyNokia asking for anything Jun 17 14:42:54 But as said, I am 101% sure that I have not registered upon PR 1.2 Jun 17 14:43:43 DrGrov, do you get sms messages and want to get rid of them? Jun 17 14:43:59 Hooray for downed proxies Jun 17 14:43:59 you can change my nokia settings in https://account.nokia.com Jun 17 14:44:01 Surfa: no, that is the thing. I don't get any sms messages. Jun 17 14:44:05 ok :) Jun 17 14:44:20 DrGrov, if you want them, you can allow them to be sent from the same address Jun 17 14:44:27 DrGrov: http://www.faq4mobiles.de/forum/nokia/82413-anleitung-mynokia-spam-sms-abstellen.html Jun 17 14:44:30 I am sure I answered no if there ever was that question Jun 17 14:44:40 there's tickers for e-mail and sms messages under the my nokia Jun 17 14:44:42 God damn no, I do not want any MyNokia bs in my phone Jun 17 14:45:22 DocScrutinizer2: language problem here, not fluent German speaker :) Jun 17 14:45:23 even that I'm quite familiar with nokia devices, i must admit that every now and then the tip sms's contain something new, even for me Jun 17 14:45:41 Surfa: working for Nokia perhaps and giving some good PR? Jun 17 14:46:00 Surfa: lol :) j/k Jun 17 14:46:11 doesn't really matter where I work :) just a personal opinion here Jun 17 14:46:17 hey all Jun 17 14:46:26 mostly they are useless crap, but sometimes i find them useful Jun 17 14:46:27 anyone else finding that the Ovi store is asking for some mythical Maemo update? Jun 17 14:46:38 DrGrov: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.faq4mobiles.de/forum/nokia/82413-anleitung-mynokia-spam-sms-abstellen.html&sl=de&tl=en Jun 17 14:47:01 DocScrutinizer2, where do we need this link anymore? :) Jun 17 14:47:13 Surfa: ok, just checking with you that you are not the evil Nokia guy sitting in the office smiling :) Jun 17 14:47:31 DocScrutinizer2: thank you Jun 17 14:47:34 i just told where you can adjust your my nokia settings if you happen to have need for that Jun 17 14:48:23 right place for that was account.nokia.com :) Jun 17 14:48:34 there are settings for all nokia services, along with my nokia Jun 17 14:48:36 Surfa: thanks :) Jun 17 14:49:20 DocScrutinizer2: it seems like the MyNokia could be accepted or rejected when starting the phone the first time after buying it even though it was PR 1.1... Not sure though, perhaps I am misinterpreting something in that text you linked to. Jun 17 14:49:30 but all in all, my nokia is useful for some people, even that it's implemented in a little weird way that everyone get's spammed Jun 17 14:50:49 Surfa: the mynokia implementation is a crime - literally. At least under Germen and UK legisaltion Jun 17 14:51:04 DocScrutinizer2, i don't care really Jun 17 14:51:22 none of my problem, I'm just telling here how to get rid of it if you want to Jun 17 14:51:37 Surfa: I don't care if you care. I hope Nokia will harvest the fruits of what they did Jun 17 14:52:51 Surfa: and to me it sounds rather apologetic rather than you telling how to get rid of anything Jun 17 14:53:09 do I look that I care for that either? :) Jun 17 14:53:31 DocScrutinizer, Jun 17 14:53:31 ifobot, tell HtheB about DocScrutinizer Jun 17 14:53:32 infobot, tell HtheB about DocScrutinizer Jun 17 14:53:44 meh, fail Jun 17 14:53:53 i don't like pretending a free speach anti crime anti corporate jesus Jun 17 14:54:07 normal talk is just fine, no matter how it sounds Jun 17 14:54:58 oh, no fail :p Jun 17 14:54:58 anyway Jun 17 14:54:58 time to do some happy ending now Jun 17 14:55:22 is there a ovi store upgrade planned for today? Jun 17 14:55:59 ? Jun 17 14:57:12 midas__, how so? Jun 17 14:57:47 well, I support that was DocScrutinizer2 said Jun 17 14:58:08 because opened it and it told me to update my n900 Jun 17 14:58:22 Do you have PR1.2? Jun 17 14:58:33 yep Jun 17 14:58:39 DocScrutinizer2: thanks for the help. talk to you later guys Jun 17 14:58:43 oh , then I have no idea Jun 17 14:59:18 strange thing is, i dont even have a new update available :P Jun 17 14:59:26 midas__, it seems to work for me (ovi store) Jun 17 15:01:23 im running 10.2010.191 Jun 17 15:01:29 19-1 Jun 17 15:02:03 oh wait Jun 17 15:02:08 hide user agent... Jun 17 15:03:53 midas__: :D Jun 17 15:10:19 I think i'm going to town to kich and punch some people.. maybe even choke them Jun 17 15:10:45 somewhere it might be crime, but it's fun anyway, I suggest everyone to try it out Jun 17 15:12:43 k, sorry but can't resist, as it's so much fun!! Jun 17 15:13:44 me too Jun 17 15:21:54 how to select text from pdf.and also a dictionery work on selection i tried qstardict but it doesn't work and doesn't show translate when select a word Jun 17 15:28:49 ? Jun 17 15:29:37 mintux, what program do you use to view pdf Jun 17 15:32:28 default pdf viewer Jun 17 15:33:08 hmm minttu Jun 17 15:33:15 pdf reader Jun 17 15:33:37 pupnik: ^ Jun 17 15:33:49 mintux: i don't think it can. not sure Jun 17 15:38:26 are there any pdf reader can i select text on it? Jun 17 15:43:45 mintux: for n900, yes Jun 17 15:44:10 I'm having an issue with the browser not wanting to load a page doesn't matter wifi or 3g Jun 17 15:44:25 I just get loading then white screen Jun 17 15:45:11 pupnik so what is that. should ask quastion for each sentences? Jun 17 15:45:16 just me then Jun 17 15:45:24 evince Jun 17 15:45:48 evince >> default pdf reader Jun 17 15:46:48 hey DocScrutinizer2 Jun 17 15:46:50 mintux: Ctrl+Comma to enter text hilight mode in evince Jun 17 15:51:28 I tried xchat, and definitely prefer irssi over it Jun 17 15:58:32 Anychance someone can remind me of the name of the linux commandline tool for reencoding videos to play properly on an n810 ? I'm sure I had such an app once before but for the life of me I can't rememeber the name :) Jun 17 15:58:44 ffmpeg? Jun 17 15:58:54 mencoder (comes with mplayer on normal distros)? Jun 17 15:59:10 no, it was something specificly gearred for the N8xx devices Jun 17 15:59:21 might very well have used ffmpeg under the hood for all I know Jun 17 15:59:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding Jun 17 15:59:56 ahhh tablet-encode ... thanks that was what I was thinking of Jun 17 16:03:39 can someone give me an idea why n900 default browser my get stuck and not load pages for a while.. But then I manage to load one it works just fine from there on Jun 17 16:05:02 until i close the browser that is Jun 17 16:08:22 The blue bar along the bottom just keeps cycling, and not loading dima202? Jun 17 16:11:33 fsckng JS Jun 17 16:12:04 or DNS not resolving Jun 17 16:13:04 flailingmonkey: awwww Jun 17 16:13:05 SpeedEvil: yeah Jun 17 16:13:38 I've never tried chasing a baby with a chainsaw, so I don't know. Jun 17 16:13:40 oops - wrong window. Jun 17 16:13:53 I actually went to my domain which is just a directory listing and same thing.. also a page by apache saying "it works" Jun 17 16:14:10 SpeedEvil: sounds like an intersting conversation Jun 17 16:17:42 I'd guess a baby with a chainsaw would rather chase me Jun 17 16:17:47 :-P Jun 17 16:18:19 dima202: DNS lookup borked? Jun 17 16:18:32 dima202: try IP address Jun 17 16:24:22 DocScrutinizer2, ping ping ping Jun 17 16:25:11 DocScrutinizer2, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package Jun 17 16:25:19 * DocScrutinizer2 [MSG IPstack: ping flood filter triggered] Jun 17 16:25:36 DocScrutinizer2, add cat icon | sed 's/^/ /' > iconwithspace to that, I don't want the karma for the edit :P Jun 17 16:25:48 * MohammadAG dodges the filter Jun 17 16:25:54 if the leaked video/images of the n9 are true, /me is unimpressed Jun 17 16:26:53 MohammadAG: I don't want any better karma at all, as it kills my excuses to not attend summit Jun 17 16:27:30 rofl Jun 17 16:28:02 nice Jun 17 16:28:07 * alterego yawns Jun 17 16:28:25 DocScrutinizer2: I assume I could have found a way to turn off the channel and user panes, but the scroll bars and context menus were too much bad UI for me Jun 17 16:28:34 luke-jr: pin Jun 17 16:28:34 g Jun 17 16:28:44 s/panes/panes in xchat/ Jun 17 16:28:44 flailingmonkey meant: DocScrutinizer2: I assume I could have found a way to turn off the channel and user panes in xchat, but the scroll bars and context menus were too much bad UI for me Jun 17 16:29:31 context menus were bad UI? Jun 17 16:30:29 user list is easily turned off/on via menu/view/userlist(F7) (obviously F7 fails :-P ) Jun 17 16:30:48 sorry, i meant how its menus are not touch-friendly. having up/down arrows to scroll through them makes me cry Jun 17 16:30:54 yeah Jun 17 16:31:00 or similar (from off the top of my head) Jun 17 16:31:01 The source however is right there. Jun 17 16:31:50 the only thing that constatntly makes me cry on N900 is the lack of a menu hardbutton Jun 17 16:31:54 That's how things use to be in the old hildon days :P Jun 17 16:32:01 and by old I mean last year Jun 17 16:32:29 N810 is so much better wrt that Jun 17 16:32:33 scrollpanes with scroll bars were the last straw (as well as bad default colors, but I would have changed those if the UI elements were hildonized) Jun 17 16:32:34 I'd love another button or two. Jun 17 16:32:56 MohammadAG: I don't want any better karma at all, as it kills my excuses to not attend summit Jun 17 16:33:00 just add it... Jun 17 16:33:00 I make judicious use of shortcutd and half-press of camera button Jun 17 16:33:01 textarea is not a standard widget - it's custom Jun 17 16:33:07 wait wait wait Jun 17 16:33:11 So hildonising isn't quite trivial Jun 17 16:33:16 if you have karma -> you HAVE to visit the summit? Jun 17 16:33:19 would be great if it could open application menu Jun 17 16:33:45 MohammadAG: he's saying the opposite. Jun 17 16:34:19 alterego, pong? Jun 17 16:34:20 he doesn't want to visit the summit Jun 17 16:34:42 but does having karma mean you need to visit the summit? Jun 17 16:35:24 MohammadAG: >>The motivation for the tester is: ... * Karma - rating apps and leaving comments earns karma which has, in the past, translated to discounted devices and sponsored travel & accommodation to the summit. Jun 17 16:35:41 Stskeeps: ? Jun 17 16:36:31 MohammadAG: obviously you'll go to jail and lose your MyNokia account if you have >300 karma and don't visit summit Jun 17 16:36:35 luke-jr: if i wanted to override a symbol in a .so i can't recompile, how'd i do that? Jun 17 16:36:37 DocScrutinizer2, and you don't want to be at the summit because? Jun 17 16:36:39 so far I haven't seen a way to have irssi beep when someone uses your nick Jun 17 16:36:48 Stskeeps: depends on the kind of symbol Jun 17 16:36:50 lolwut Jun 17 16:36:57 * MohammadAG has 469 Jun 17 16:37:04 MohammadAG: ...because I generally hate mass events Jun 17 16:37:06 I hope that doesn't mean I HAVE to go Jun 17 16:37:11 * RST38h moos evilly at all the present Jun 17 16:37:14 .. actually, i think i know how to do it Jun 17 16:37:15 Stskeeps heya Jun 17 16:37:23 DocScrutinizer2, 549 users online, this is a mass online event, you can leave Jun 17 16:37:36 jk XP Jun 17 16:37:59 \o/ Jun 17 16:38:01 Stskeeps: LD_PRELOAD works for most Jun 17 16:38:06 * ZogG xmms2> System of a Down - Spiders ["System of a Down" 1998] Jun 17 16:38:30 Stskeeps: if not, I think it may be impossible since GCC might hard-code the address Jun 17 16:38:43 (* MohammadAG has 469) that's your tmo spammer bonus Jun 17 16:39:03 Heh Jun 17 16:39:16 * Stskeeps is thinking dlopen Jun 17 16:39:53 DocScrutinizer2, now now, how am I a spammer :) Jun 17 16:40:04 * luke-jr doesn't see how dlopen would help Jun 17 16:40:16 actually, I think I do now Jun 17 16:40:31 luke-jr, Stskeeps what are you working on? Jun 17 16:40:34 i need to override a bunch of symbols, so i would dlopen the .so i would want to replace.. Jun 17 16:40:42 I don't have a log back that far :P Jun 17 16:40:53 alterego: no idea Jun 17 16:40:54 Stskeeps: include a dummy lib exporting that particular symbol Jun 17 16:40:59 heh Jun 17 16:41:02 assuming i know the interface.. Jun 17 16:41:15 Stskeeps: how's GPS coming btw? Jun 17 16:41:29 luke-jr: my summer project will be n8x0 stuff at least :P Jun 17 16:42:03 Is the N900 GPS driver FOSS? I was under the impression it's part of the cellmo? Jun 17 16:42:24 alterego: no; yes Jun 17 16:42:27 And how would that relate at all to ofono and MeeGo? Jun 17 16:42:46 alterego: didn't explore it yet, raise it at next n900 hardware adaptation meeting Jun 17 16:42:50 :P Jun 17 16:42:54 Is the GPS going to be a big problem for us creating a true MeeGo instance? Jun 17 16:43:11 alterego: likely Jun 17 16:43:12 depending if you like closed source blobs or not Jun 17 16:43:16 Stskeeps: okay, will do. When is that then? :P Jun 17 16:43:20 same situation with 3d drivers Jun 17 16:43:28 alterego: usually thursdays in the morning, excepting this wek Jun 17 16:43:39 Stskeeps: I like blobs, if they're abi compatible :) Jun 17 16:43:45 fail Jun 17 16:44:11 s/like/can cope with/ Jun 17 16:44:11 alterego meant: Stskeeps: I can cope with blobs, if they're abi compatible :) Jun 17 16:44:22 better Jun 17 16:44:32 I'm more of a kernel driver man myself. Jun 17 16:45:17 alterego: N810 GPS driver is abi compatible, but doesn't work ;) Jun 17 16:45:21 I'd like to know how gps works now, maybe it's possible to use ofone to create some kind of serial connection like interface to the GPS Jun 17 16:45:40 Heh, I thought the N810 driver is FOSS? Jun 17 16:45:44 no Jun 17 16:45:57 Isn't it just a sirfstar attached to a uart? Jun 17 16:46:04 I think the most "source" we have is speculation on the Changelog Jun 17 16:46:07 no Jun 17 16:46:09 alterego: no Jun 17 16:46:20 oh, Jun 17 16:46:23 it's a TI GPS5300 which is basically a specialized DSP Jun 17 16:46:28 the GPS itself *is* the driver Jun 17 16:46:34 fuuun Jun 17 16:46:41 Oh, that's neat, Jun 17 16:47:08 Obviously not from getting it to work, but quite a cool concept if we can do it :) Jun 17 16:47:28 there are a couple of free GPS implementations on the net Jun 17 16:47:34 so it's *possible* at least Jun 17 16:47:47 Nice, Jun 17 16:48:10 So are we talking MeeGo N8x0 at the moment. Jun 17 16:48:19 I've also done a bit of reverse engineering the GPS5300 protocol Jun 17 16:49:01 the hard part will be trying to figure out how to tie it in to one of those GPS implementations Jun 17 16:50:40 luke-jr: how much of the correlator heavy lifting is done in system space by the driver? Jun 17 16:50:55 DocScrutinizer2: no clue what that even means Jun 17 16:51:11 heh :) right man for the job then :P Jun 17 16:51:34 someone with a clue is welcome to help out... ;) Jun 17 16:51:54 I was thinking of turning my N810 into a widescreen TV for my pet rats. Jun 17 16:52:03 luke-jr: basically that first and foremost means: is the gps driver eating up much of the CPU cycles when active? Jun 17 16:52:34 If we can get MeeGo on it with HW GLES I might rethink that idea. Jun 17 16:53:30 DocScrutinizer2: if we run it under gdb to make a trace of the execution, it maxes out and doesn't work at all :p Jun 17 16:53:46 luke-jr: GPS is all about a fair amount of siphisticated complex math Jun 17 16:54:38 luke-jr: there are chipsets that do this in hw, and there are cheap ones that dump all the heavy computing load off to the SoC Jun 17 16:54:46 So, basically everything boils down to bme,gles,cellmo and gps for close blobs? Jun 17 16:54:47 I don't see gps5300driver on 'top' normally Jun 17 16:54:49 application processor Jun 17 16:54:53 well and boot loader .. Jun 17 16:55:07 gpsd uses more CPU than gpsdriver Jun 17 16:55:36 and that's even despite gpsdriver's poor implementation Jun 17 16:55:39 anyone got jtag working on any of the tablets? :) Jun 17 16:55:49 alterego: bme is kinda vanishing issue Jun 17 16:55:50 specifically, it does single-byte syscall reads rather than buffering Jun 17 16:56:03 DocScrutinizer2: BME is never vanishing on N8x0 Jun 17 16:56:06 DocScrutinizer2: due to usb host work? Jun 17 16:56:15 aaah right. Sorry my bad Jun 17 16:56:24 yeah, is that even related to N810? Jun 17 16:56:43 :) Jun 17 16:57:17 Though the chips involved may not be that different? Jun 17 16:57:24 I guess I could tackle N810 bme as well, but atm I don't eactly feel inclined Jun 17 16:57:47 alterego: the chip is totally different from what I gather so far Jun 17 16:58:46 Oh, I thought nokia were more standard in that regard, well, I would have guessed they'd be ... :) Jun 17 16:58:59 standard? Jun 17 16:59:04 this isn't about being standard :P Jun 17 16:59:19 newer devices will of course have better hardware Jun 17 16:59:27 this is about hw design Jun 17 16:59:41 even from N800 to N810, the touchscreen and audio controllers were changed Jun 17 16:59:49 eesh Jun 17 17:00:36 I can understand gles, ass thats imagination, but I don't get the issue with TI being so closed wrt gps and such. Jun 17 17:00:37 and afaik N8x0 have a completely dumb charging hw that needs close control from BME Jun 17 17:00:54 on the signal processing level Jun 17 17:00:59 Right, and N900 is gpio controlled? Jun 17 17:01:34 n900 has an autonomously working charger chip, that just needs programming over I2C Jun 17 17:02:09 cool, Jun 17 17:02:55 In completely unrelated news, anyone know why the alpha gst element doesn't work? Jun 17 17:03:31 fmms 1.1.8 in extras \o/ Jun 17 17:03:42 frals: congrats Jun 17 17:03:46 con...grats Jun 17 17:03:57 congrats, I can't get anyone to vote for my app :P Jun 17 17:04:22 alterego: aggregate blog and post about it on planet maemo! Jun 17 17:04:26 and thanks! Jun 17 17:04:35 voting should be in HAM :-p Jun 17 17:04:47 flailingmonkey: yes Jun 17 17:04:48 flailingmonkey: naah Jun 17 17:04:50 me and my insanity Jun 17 17:05:07 flailingmonkey: it should be a long-press from app laucher Jun 17 17:05:47 I several times suggested to wrap the app in testing into a script that opens the voting page in microb when the main app quits Jun 17 17:05:51 N900evil: it would be easier to implement in HAM, but I think you should be able to get application details from a long press Jun 17 17:06:15 and from those details be able to do things like vote if its in testing, etc Jun 17 17:07:00 N900 is no maemo.org integration, outside extras (stable anyway) Jun 17 17:07:09 I always wondered what that file meantclear Jun 17 17:07:15 whoops Jun 17 17:07:16 being a repository at least. Jun 17 17:07:19 this is not my console window Jun 17 17:10:28 frals: no blog anymore Jun 17 17:10:32 ~seen andre_ Jun 17 17:10:33 andre_ was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 207d 17h 16m 24s ago, saying: 'okay. sounds like very few towns'. Jun 17 17:10:41 huh Jun 17 17:10:47 ~seen andre__ Jun 17 17:10:48 andre__ <~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 3h 35m 24s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer, no idea'. Jun 17 17:18:52 Could anyone help me identify this autobuilder-error? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/qexercise_0.1-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Jun 17 17:19:02 * SpeedEvil ponders a antivuvuzela notch filter app... Jun 17 17:21:16 SpeedEvil: hehe Jun 17 17:21:29 hey MohammadAG Jun 17 17:21:41 MohammadAG: how's it going? you can swim in the air of TLV Jun 17 17:22:38 Lullen, you may be missing some headers from your src you uploaded Jun 17 17:23:12 unless mcd/dbus-names.h is part of another project, in which case you should specify that as a dep in your control file Jun 17 17:25:00 mce/dbus-names.h is a header in the sysroots\fremantle-arm-sysroot-1014-slim\usr\include\mce folder Jun 17 17:25:37 Hi all Jun 17 17:26:05 it works when I write dpkg-buildpackage (and get a .deb on the computer) but when I write dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S and upload it I get that error Jun 17 17:26:11 Hello Jun 17 17:26:33 hi Jun 17 17:26:56 Lullen, make sure you are uploading all the headers. It also won't fail on your machine if you have the deps already installed. Jun 17 17:27:28 you need to specify the deps so that the build server will know to install them as well Jun 17 17:28:32 Has anyone heard the NFC announcement made by Nokia today? I guess it doesnt cover meego handets, does it? Jun 17 17:28:36 url? Jun 17 17:29:12 what deps should I add? currently I have Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev Jun 17 17:31:19 Lullen: perhaps add mce? is it possible? Jun 17 17:31:36 http://m.afterdawn.com/headline.cfm?id=23192 Jun 17 17:33:53 venemo, now I am trying with mce added Jun 17 17:35:28 NFC, sexy Jun 17 17:36:18 could be a possibility actually for Nokia handsets running meego (if they get released in 2011) Jun 17 17:36:37 what is NFC, exactly? Jun 17 17:37:37 NoFsck'ingClue? Jun 17 17:37:48 near field communication Jun 17 17:38:07 I think you can use it to have the phone as a wallet Jun 17 17:39:05 Venemo, still not finding the files and declarations :( Jun 17 17:39:13 very low power contactless communication tech Jun 17 17:39:30 mainly intended for payment stuff Jun 17 17:40:24 Lullen, mce-dev in Build-Depends, mce in Depends Jun 17 17:40:43 Thanks Jun 17 17:44:37 re Jun 17 17:50:38 [fremantle]: qexercise 0.1-1 OK Jun 17 17:50:42 THANKS ALOT! :) Jun 17 17:51:07 So what do I do now? Jun 17 17:51:31 wait :) Jun 17 17:51:36 go to extras-devel and install your app? Jun 17 17:51:39 till 6:05 Jun 17 17:51:43 UTC time Jun 17 17:52:15 thanks :) Jun 17 18:17:14 i'm still surprised nobody has packaged MyTube for debian Jun 17 18:18:51 cya Jun 17 18:22:02 never heard of MyTube Jun 17 18:22:26 haha red pill mode ressurected Jun 17 18:22:53 ~hail MohammadAG51 Jun 17 18:22:54 * infobot bows down to MohammadAG51 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 17 18:22:55 flailingmonkey: search and browse youtube without any flash player Jun 17 18:23:24 :) Jun 17 18:23:38 qwerty12 found it today, but didn't say how to enable it Jun 17 18:24:38 ~/.osso/hildon-application-mamager Jun 17 18:25:12 permanent Jun 17 18:27:01 maybe you miss the line, so: Jun 17 18:27:03 red-pill-mode 1 Jun 17 18:27:05 red-pill-show-deps 1 Jun 17 18:27:06 red-pill-show-all 0 Jun 17 18:27:07 red-pill-show-magic-sys 0 Jun 17 18:27:09 red-pill-include-details-in-log 0 Jun 17 18:27:10 red-pill-check-always 0 Jun 17 18:27:12 red-pill-ignore-wrong-domains 1 Jun 17 18:27:13 red-pill-ignore-thirdparty-policy 0 Jun 17 18:27:15 red-pill-permanent 0 Jun 17 18:27:24 ahhh spam Jun 17 18:27:29 make the last '1' Jun 17 18:27:41 :P Jun 17 18:28:02 what is red-pill ? Jun 17 18:28:15 nevermind , i google it Jun 17 18:28:34 blue and red pill modes Jun 17 18:28:34 alterego, i'm downloading qlister from testing Jun 17 18:28:37 spammer Jun 17 18:28:45 btw, matrix reference, not anything else Jun 17 18:29:28 flailingmonkey: and - as you can tell from filename - it's related to HAM Jun 17 18:30:15 DocScrutinizer2: yeah, I remember when they turned red pill mode off Jun 17 18:30:37 hmm yes, they s/1/0/ :-P Jun 17 18:30:37 apparently they just removed the "matrix" shortcut to enable it Jun 17 18:30:58 DocScrutinizer2, they removed the GUI way of enabling it lol Jun 17 18:31:08 MohammadAG51: not only, it was also disabled for me after update Jun 17 18:31:17 oh Jun 17 18:31:31 I didn't have it enabled permanently Jun 17 18:31:38 so: they s/1/0/ :-P Jun 17 18:32:45 ~seen tealbird Jun 17 18:33:00 tealbird <~Freakazoi@70-36-184-147.dsl.static.sonic.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 66d 20h 5m 51s ago, saying: 'I'm taking time off, didn't even try to get work time cuz I know they wouldn't pay'. Jun 17 18:33:52 * DocScrutinizer2 ponders about OSSO_FILEMANAGER/* and whether we could get rid of the major annoyance of maemo: the crippled filesystem in file selector Jun 17 18:34:21 i see Ovi+HAM are dumb, as highlighted by downloading Zen Bound Jun 17 18:34:30 DocScrutinizer2, nothing interesting Jun 17 18:36:06 DocScrutinizer2: we definitely can. Jun 17 18:36:31 i'd rather port nautilus than fix hildon-fm Jun 17 18:36:54 and replace hildon-desktop with gnome-desktop Jun 17 18:36:55 hmm Jun 17 18:37:00 that might be doable... Jun 17 18:38:14 that doesn't help apps that use libhildonfm for file selecting Jun 17 18:38:43 keep it as a library then Jun 17 18:39:39 MohammadAG5: yes? Jun 17 18:39:42 wrap nautilus file opicker as hildonfm? Jun 17 18:41:25 timeless, pm Jun 17 18:44:24 let me know if that might work Jun 17 18:47:13 if we have trackerd anyway, file picker ought to be able to search it Jun 17 18:47:43 seems somebody needs to analyze the libhildonfm for references to ~/.osso/OSSO_FILEMANAGER/* and what exactly it is rrading from there, if anything Jun 17 18:48:32 DocScrutinizer2, I only have one file there Jun 17 18:49:28 yes, and that seems to adopt windows crappy method of assigning a numeric abstract property to certain dirs Jun 17 18:52:51 that number is some reference to a dir? Jun 17 18:59:11 hmm I wonder if there'll ever be anything from the command line sharing plugin Jun 17 18:59:45 btw. - is it possible to implement sharing plugins in python? Jun 17 19:00:04 Hmmm, Mac Mini looks like a pretty nice media PC box now Jun 17 19:00:12 MUST. RESIST. Jun 17 19:00:16 you could use the command line sharing plugin as the base and then just have python scripts do the stuff Jun 17 19:01:13 indeed. That one is new to me. Jun 17 19:05:17 * RST38h considers buying Mac Mini and installing Windows on it Jun 17 19:05:20 nomis, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sharing-cli/ if you care Jun 17 19:05:37 * MohammadAG51 is considering begging for +o and kickbanning RST38h Jun 17 19:06:01 Aha, 1 (one) Mac user detected Jun 17 19:06:12 or... Jun 17 19:06:21 One mac and windows hater detected Jun 17 19:06:35 hate is an attractive emotion Jun 17 19:06:45 * ruskie loaths windows and mac Jun 17 19:07:03 i hate them too Jun 17 19:07:09 haven't used windows in 12 years, mac in 5 Jun 17 19:08:08 Crazy penguin people they are, my precioussss Jun 17 19:08:43 DocScrutinizer2, file system availability in selector hits only very very few people Jun 17 19:08:57 I use Ubuntu on my laptop, with a Windows 7 dual boot option rarely used. At work I use Windows XP and Maemo 5 on my N900. then my family members have Macs which I trouble shoot Jun 17 19:08:58 lcuk, it annoys me too :) Jun 17 19:09:08 there should technically be no user data stored outside the user accessible areas :P Jun 17 19:09:17 more I say, moooore Jun 17 19:09:23 i have windows installed, with a missing dll to mock it Jun 17 19:09:28 i know that MohammadAG51 i just saw what you said Jun 17 19:09:45 i'd rather see more like what mece did and trying to find simple patches for what we have :) Jun 17 19:10:10 infobot, libhildonfm2 Jun 17 19:10:11 somebody said libhildonfm2 was a piece of sh*t Jun 17 19:10:19 so if for instance hildonf-m could look everywhere Jun 17 19:10:29 well thats fine MohammadAG51 :p Jun 17 19:10:34 lcuk: I tend to agree, nevertheless I would appreciate to have a generic solution for those that actually don't like the "user protection" as of Nokia Jun 17 19:10:40 indeed, and I think it would be possible to have a switch to allow full access Jun 17 19:10:43 lcuk, :D Jun 17 19:10:53 DocScrutinizer2, flailingmonkey MohammadAG51 yup Jun 17 19:11:02 wtf... my phone is still alive! Jun 17 19:11:05 a setting somewhere would be the only real feasible method Jun 17 19:11:07 imagine that Jun 17 19:11:18 i heard gconf is the shizzle Jun 17 19:11:23 * lcuk nods Jun 17 19:11:29 is it bug 430 Jun 17 19:11:30 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430 Show and edit filename extensions Jun 17 19:11:32 * MohammadAG51 grins Jun 17 19:11:48 thats what mece patched up Jun 17 19:11:48 flailingmonkey: and maybe that switch is already there, undocumented and hidden, in ~/.osso/OSSO_FILEMANAGER/* Jun 17 19:12:00 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430#c26 Jun 17 19:12:01 Bug 430: Show and edit filename extensions Jun 17 19:12:15 do do dooo Jun 17 19:12:35 i feel like I'm in some back alley Jun 17 19:12:37 DocScrutinizer2, find or create an actual bug for it Jun 17 19:12:46 flailingmonkey, you are Jun 17 19:12:55 * MohammadAG51 creates a bug for gconf titled "it exists" Jun 17 19:13:10 lol Jun 17 19:13:24 * lcuk files a bug against MohammadAG51 titled "special" Jun 17 19:13:29 has been confirmed by public vote Jun 17 19:13:42 that one too Jun 17 19:13:54 RESOLVED FIXED, MohammadAG v0.2 will no longer be special Jun 17 19:14:04 hahah Jun 17 19:14:30 damn, that's part of PR2.1 Jun 17 19:14:34 I gather libhildonfm is closed? Jun 17 19:14:43 nope Jun 17 19:14:50 not at all Jun 17 19:14:53 but still Jun 17 19:14:59 infobot, libhildonfm2 Jun 17 19:15:00 i guess libhildonfm2 is a piece of sh*t Jun 17 19:15:18 she's so cute Jun 17 19:15:24 xD Jun 17 19:15:43 MohammadAG51, just because hildonfm isnt your type doesnt mean you can rip on it :p Jun 17 19:15:58 Fun, Saturday to fix the internet. . . . Jun 17 19:16:17 the real reason default behavior won't be changed, is that all the screenshots for user guide would have to retaken Jun 17 19:16:18 lcuk, there's always gconf :P Jun 17 19:16:18 lcuk, is there a functional alternative file manager available aside from MC? Jun 17 19:16:22 GAN900, all of it? Jun 17 19:16:34 jaem, i didnt know mc was functional Jun 17 19:16:35 LOL flailingmonkey Jun 17 19:16:37 * lcuk ducks Jun 17 19:16:42 GAN900: great! :-D Jun 17 19:16:45 (this is only slightly a joke, as I've heard such logic used in commercial development) Jun 17 19:16:48 lcuk, you're just using simulated internet. Jun 17 19:16:51 lcuk, I assumed it was, but unless you're being sarcastic, I don't know either. Jun 17 19:16:53 lcuk, what's wrong with it Jun 17 19:17:07 whats not wrong with it?! Jun 17 19:17:09 I optified it, and reqeuested to be a maintainer by mistake Jun 17 19:17:21 * frals goes back to using explorer.exe <3 Jun 17 19:17:24 the only real file manager ive used which ticks every box as far as FM goes is directory opus Jun 17 19:17:41 I've never heard of it... which platform? Jun 17 19:17:45 amiga Jun 17 19:17:46 * MohammadAG51 executes shutdown -h on frals's PC Jun 17 19:17:55 mmm amiga Jun 17 19:18:07 what's amita? :) Jun 17 19:18:12 amiga even Jun 17 19:18:53 wtf... for some reason Settings -> Phone keeps saying that I have Forwarding of unanswered calls... even though I said No so many times and saved... but each time I open it it's there again Jun 17 19:19:00 workbench FTW Jun 17 19:19:10 i think thats for voicemail, from sim card Jun 17 19:19:26 flailingmonkey, I never had that enabled EVER Jun 17 19:19:39 ruskie: your carrier doesn't allow to disable, I guess Jun 17 19:19:46 DocScrutinizer2, they do Jun 17 19:19:54 works just fine if I do it on any other phone Jun 17 19:20:19 so maybe the SS they hardcoded at Nokia for that function just doesn't match Jun 17 19:20:47 ruskie: please look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c7 Jun 17 19:20:49 Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 Jun 17 19:21:18 ruskie: http://web.telia.com/~u47904776/gsmkode.htm Jun 17 19:21:29 btw, "Miss Ovi Blog" just got an N900. maybe we should reach out to her for all our Ovi woes :) Jun 17 19:22:05 tzz, I wonder where's MY N900 Jun 17 19:22:47 http://blog.ovi.com/2010/06/14/who-wants-to-meet-miss-ovi-blog-lets-get-to-know-niini-in-our-10th-ovi-people-interview/ Jun 17 19:23:44 DocScrutinizer2, everytime you complain about it the DHL sits down the block in his truck and laugh maniacally at you another day. :P Jun 17 19:23:49 Ovi Store downloads to rootfs before moving to MMC and installing. where do I file this bug Jun 17 19:24:22 * MohammadAG51 throws a /var/tmp at lcuk, update you package! Jun 17 19:24:27 flailingmonkey: actually /var/tmp is tmpfs I believe Jun 17 19:24:38 MohammadAG51, which package Jun 17 19:24:40 alterego, too slow Jun 17 19:24:52 lcuk, maemo-optify-firstboot(?) Jun 17 19:25:41 GAN900: probably. While bricking the N900 that he found in a torn packet Jun 17 19:25:50 dont just shout things like that MohammadAG51 - explain Jun 17 19:26:16 lcuk, add /var/tmp to your config file that optifies folder at first boot Jun 17 19:26:19 it's needed for ovi Jun 17 19:26:27 soryr, i cant take irc requests Jun 17 19:26:30 My contract is up for an upgrade this month, I'm thinking of upgrading to an N900, that means I'll actually have a spare to screw with :) Jun 17 19:26:35 file bug :P Jun 17 19:26:55 just checked. /var/tmp is not tmpfs. /tmp is though Jun 17 19:27:02 so is /var/run Jun 17 19:27:14 /var/tmp should be a symlink? Jun 17 19:27:17 * MohammadAG51 gets a grenade from DocScrutinizer2's armory Jun 17 19:27:36 *holds the pin*, lcuk sure you don't take requests? Jun 17 19:28:07 alterego, why not Jun 17 19:28:08 positive - btw, why is the a grenade at your feet? Jun 17 19:28:18 * MohammadAG51 runs Jun 17 19:28:29 it seems to be caught on your shoelace Jun 17 19:28:39 I am so lost now. Jun 17 19:28:58 * MohammadAG51 unties shoe Jun 17 19:29:20 * MohammadAG51 hands flailingmonkey a Maemo device and the symbian version of ovi maps Jun 17 19:29:26 alterego: /var/* isn't supposed to be limited to <80MB like /tmp is now Jun 17 19:29:30 alright, so when I download an app from Ovi Store, is there a way to direct where the .deb is downloaded Jun 17 19:29:38 no Jun 17 19:29:43 DocScrutinizer2, it seems the only issue is the display Jun 17 19:29:43 actually it isn't, scratch that Jun 17 19:29:49 flailingmonkey: yes Jun 17 19:29:57 alterego, shut up .) Jun 17 19:30:00 :)* Jun 17 19:30:02 Heh Jun 17 19:30:03 ruskie: err, ok Jun 17 19:30:23 alterego, we want the ovi store for another week, at least Jun 17 19:30:58 Well, I don't think it'd work without being auth'd and having paid MohammadAG51 :P Jun 17 19:31:12 flailingmonkey, as root, mv /var/tmp /opt/var && ln -s /opt/var/tmp /var/tmp Jun 17 19:31:25 ~nuke ovi store Jun 17 19:31:26 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ovi store ... B☢☢M! Jun 17 19:31:29 alterego, what if he devices do share it Jun 17 19:31:33 err Jun 17 19:31:40 s/devices do/decides to/ Jun 17 19:31:44 im off Jun 17 19:31:54 * MohammadAG51 throws a nuke at lcuk Jun 17 19:32:04 lcuk, g'night Jun 17 19:32:55 that qualifies as a workaround, but why does it go in /var/tmp of all places? is it a cache location defined by microb? Jun 17 19:33:14 ~ping Jun 17 19:33:15 ~pong Jun 17 19:33:35 ~pong Jun 17 19:33:36 ~ping Jun 17 19:33:41 flailingmonkey, yes, download a 100mb file and see it output the same error Jun 17 19:33:45 because as more content is available from Ovi, more problems will happen Jun 17 19:33:56 yes Jun 17 19:34:05 so then its a microb problem Jun 17 19:34:22 /tmp is about 1k Jun 17 19:34:44 /var/tmp is about 70k Jun 17 19:35:43 there are no expectations of keeping permissions when a file is downloaded, so it really should just use the eMMC space Jun 17 19:36:24 please note that MyDocs is not always mounted Jun 17 19:36:30 so we can't write there Jun 17 19:36:37 Does http even support permissions? Jun 17 19:36:53 i'm not quite sure about why /var/tmp v /homw/user Jun 17 19:37:15 hmm, yes, at least in /home/user Jun 17 19:37:17 because things arent always installed by /home/user Jun 17 19:37:19 but note that in general, writing temp data to a temp folder and moving it is "the right thing tm" Jun 17 19:37:30 /usr and /var to dedicated partitons on eMMC! Jun 17 19:37:41 Sometimes the right thing is horribly wrong Jun 17 19:37:42 * lcuk isnt here tho Jun 17 19:37:52 or just goes wrong Jun 17 19:38:21 /opt/var/tmp, problem solved Jun 17 19:38:49 for http download, there is usually a filesize reported. it could at least use that to pick a sane tmp dir Jun 17 19:38:54 fsck optification Jun 17 19:39:04 there isn't usually actually Jun 17 19:39:12 what's the browser binary called? Jun 17 19:39:16 not the bookmarks one Jun 17 19:39:23 damn Jun 17 19:39:25 DocScrutinizer, you just wish you had coined such an awesome term. :P Jun 17 19:39:25 and for files which are supposed to be sent to an app Jun 17 19:39:29 instead of saved Jun 17 19:39:45 they're supposed to live in tmp, not home Jun 17 19:39:45 LOL @ GAN900 Jun 17 19:39:51 ~optification Jun 17 19:39:52 it has been said that optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs Jun 17 19:40:13 s/inventive/innovative xP Jun 17 19:40:13 the browser bookmarks ui is the same ui process as the browser itself Jun 17 19:40:18 right, since it is sending it to App Manager Jun 17 19:40:36 timeless, so how do I launch it from terminal? (no dbus please) Jun 17 19:40:39 the engine is browserd Jun 17 19:40:51 /user/bin/browser --url ... Jun 17 19:40:58 oh? ty Jun 17 19:41:10 but if the browser is running, the wrong thing might happen Jun 17 19:41:21 (and the browser is always running) Jun 17 19:41:24 is it browser that supports all the backends, etc Jun 17 19:41:25 * timeless shrugs Jun 17 19:41:36 in theory, yes Jun 17 19:41:49 except it only uses the one Jun 17 19:42:37 timeless: Not if you kill it! Jun 17 19:42:42 :) Jun 17 19:43:00 right :) Jun 17 19:43:07 timeless: /var/tmp is actually not tmpfs, its directly on rootfs. so mine has 70MB Jun 17 19:43:20 (third party browsers run lots better if you do kill the browser) Jun 17 19:43:30 well, it's still more than 1k :) Jun 17 19:44:05 hi, I'm having trouble when trying to trnfer files from my computer to my n900. anyone know how to mount it properly? Jun 17 19:44:07 yep. Jun 17 19:44:23 flailingmonkey, if it's 70MBs zen bound should download Jun 17 19:44:29 i have 66mb free Jun 17 19:44:31 sallesao: Plug into PC.Select 'ass rage' mode. Jun 17 19:44:46 34MBs here, I store a lot of stuff in /root Jun 17 19:44:48 sallesao: Then you can simply copy the files off. Jun 17 19:44:59 but reading df output was too hard for my tired brain Jun 17 19:45:05 mass* Jun 17 19:45:17 sallesao, What's the problem you're having? Jun 17 19:45:46 jaem: I use debian and tried mount /dev/sdb /mnt Jun 17 19:45:51 mohammadag51: storage too ;) Jun 17 19:45:54 MohammadAG51: I haven't bought it yet, but was aware that it was a problem. just trying to see how that might be fixed in the future Jun 17 19:46:23 sallesao, I presume you did select Mass Storage mode on the phone, and that your Debian install isn't set up to automount? Jun 17 19:46:23 I found all my pics but I can't find where to put other files Jun 17 19:46:25 oh Jun 17 19:46:27 Oh Jun 17 19:46:28 maybe microb stored .debs in a special place (aka where it/HAM moves it to anyway) Jun 17 19:46:34 tbh I liked the ovi store's UI Jun 17 19:46:35 jaem: yes Jun 17 19:46:41 when purchasing apps Jun 17 19:46:44 sallesao, Wait, so you can mount it, but you can't find all the files? Jun 17 19:46:44 sallesao: Check '.' directories Jun 17 19:46:48 SpeedEvil, yep Jun 17 19:46:53 jaem: yes Jun 17 19:46:56 sallesao: For some reason, it puts stuff in .sounds / ... Jun 17 19:47:13 sallesao, .documents is "Fancy Schmancy Documents Folder" in the File Manager. Jun 17 19:47:15 etc. Jun 17 19:47:18 SpeedEvil, so that if your eMMC is unmounted it doesn't use the nokia tune Jun 17 19:47:18 jaem: why is there a dir called Mac OS? Jun 17 19:47:20 Which strikes me as totally ass-hatted, but probably makes sense to some spec-writer somewhere. Jun 17 19:47:26 as the N97 did Jun 17 19:47:33 sallesao, because you plugged it into a Mac, and Macs are stupid. Jun 17 19:47:34 SpeedEvil: where do I find .sounds? Jun 17 19:47:34 sallesao, for Mac OS? :) Jun 17 19:47:44 jaem: no mac involved Jun 17 19:47:45 They leave cruft like that on any drive you put in them, at least by default. Jun 17 19:47:46 ~ Jun 17 19:47:52 so you can see your data when you plug into a mac Jun 17 19:47:57 jaem: That dir is there by default Jun 17 19:48:03 SpeedEvil, Oh really? Jun 17 19:48:04 i use debian on a zepto Jun 17 19:48:09 jaem: really Jun 17 19:48:10 jaem, the folder is there by... SpeedEvil beat me to it Jun 17 19:48:18 Is it different than the typical Mac Cruft folder, then? Jun 17 19:48:24 otherwise you're likely to reformat the volume and complain the data is gone when you detach Jun 17 19:48:24 I just assumed... Jun 17 19:48:48 What's the purpose of it, then? My Mac knowledge is limited to remembering (usually) how to open Bash Jun 17 19:49:38 http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/170/ Jun 17 19:49:46 e-yes, morning, and ty for the kernel patches Jun 17 19:49:47 => sallesao Jun 17 19:50:32 jaem: it is what you see as the Audio clips folder on your N900 Jun 17 19:51:01 flailingmonkey, wait, what? Jun 17 19:51:05 jaem: it just has a . in front of it so that it is usually hidden in other file managers (for some reason) Jun 17 19:51:24 flailingmonkey, I know about .sounds Jun 17 19:51:29 MyPaint author gives lecture on extending Python with C/C++ for speed http://river-valley.tv/extending-python-for-speed/ Jun 17 19:51:36 I was just misguidedly explaining that. Jun 17 19:51:38 Heh. Jun 17 19:52:22 okays Jun 17 19:52:25 pupnik: LGM is a fantastic conference. If you're interested in free software graphic tools I suggest attending. Jun 17 19:52:29 flailingmonkey, thanks, though. Jun 17 19:52:44 pupnik, thanks for the link, it looks interesting. Jun 17 19:53:24 found it now. thanks. Jun 17 19:54:21 timeless, sorry, so what is the purpose of the Mac OS folder, exactly? Jun 17 19:55:40 jaem: read the url? Jun 17 19:55:58 Oh, I missed that. Jun 17 19:56:00 * jaem reads it Jun 17 20:04:04 timeless_mbp: interesting read Jun 17 20:04:09 timeless_mbp, thanks, agreed Jun 17 20:04:28 if you guys think it's complete, i can publish it Jun 17 20:04:28 Is that on the wiki in some form? (Possibly with less cynicism) Jun 17 20:04:36 doubtful Jun 17 20:04:42 Which part? :P Jun 17 20:04:43 nor do i care :) Jun 17 20:05:03 well, if there aren't any parts which don't make sense Jun 17 20:05:06 that's a start Jun 17 20:06:06 spelling errors, typos, poor style, anything like that should be fixed.... Jun 17 20:06:16 but it's hard for me to catch that Jun 17 20:07:11 timeless: seems to mostly be sane. Jun 17 20:07:25 DocScrutinizer2: Hi there. You said that I should not open the MyNokia? Not even open to check if it is activated? Jun 17 20:07:35 Hi guys Jun 17 20:08:59 Porbably best not to even remotely open the MyNokia application? Jun 17 20:09:08 nomis, whens that conf due Jun 17 20:09:56 hmm, between the streak the evo and now the droid x, it seems that large screens have really gotten "crazy". Nokia, wtf happened? Jun 17 20:10:27 DrGrov, it doesn't matter if you open it Jun 17 20:10:40 flailingmonkey: you absolutely sure about that? Jun 17 20:10:40 lcuk: it is yearly, this year it was in Brussels, three weeks ago. Jun 17 20:10:48 I hate to get really insanely mad this time of night Jun 17 20:10:56 lcuk: next years date is not yet fixed, it *might* be in vietnam. Jun 17 20:11:14 * lcuk gets in time machine Jun 17 20:11:17 you couldv told me then! Jun 17 20:11:19 correction, if you had a SIM card inserted when you upgraded to PR1.2, then it doesn't matter if you open it Jun 17 20:11:42 lcuk: sorry... Jun 17 20:11:46 flailingmonkey: i had a SIM card inserted when I upgraded to PR 1.2 Jun 17 20:11:46 in that case it auto-sends that text msg Jun 17 20:12:06 flailingmonkey: trust me, does not sending a damn thing. i never got the MyNokia thing popping up. Jun 17 20:12:28 it doesn't pop up Jun 17 20:12:29 t_s_o: blinders, apparently. Jun 17 20:12:30 lcuk: the relevant mailing list ist the create mailinglist: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create Jun 17 20:12:41 flailingmonkey: ah yes, sorry about that. it is silent process. Jun 17 20:12:45 it's only a text message people Jun 17 20:13:07 god damn Nokia fu**! :D Jun 17 20:13:19 DrGrov: you simply can NOT check via the MyNokia in settings. You only can accidentally send another SMS with this crap Jun 17 20:13:46 what I just did, by trying to remove the subscription :P Jun 17 20:13:48 DocScrutinizer2: ah, now i understand. roger that Jun 17 20:13:51 yes, by going into it an unsubscribing, you send anoth sms Jun 17 20:13:59 s/anoth/another/ Jun 17 20:13:59 flailingmonkey meant: yes, by going into it an unsubscribing, you send another sms Jun 17 20:14:09 tomorrow I will call Nokia and demand a god damn answer for this Jun 17 20:14:53 DrGrov, I'm vaguely disturbed as well. Jun 17 20:14:56 DrGrov: document you adventure for our entertai...education if you would be so kind Jun 17 20:15:10 jaem: agreed Jun 17 20:15:19 The first I heard of it was when browsing in X, coming across a README I didn't recognize. :/ Jun 17 20:15:28 That's really not cool. Jun 17 20:15:28 nomis, thanks, signed up :) will hear about it for the next one Jun 17 20:15:39 MohammadAG51: no, it's nothing less than a privacy breach, and a robbery Jun 17 20:15:43 flailingmonkey: i don't give a fu** if Kirsi or what ever person answer the phone. If she does not give me a god damn answer I want a person who gives me an answer. Jun 17 20:15:52 I trust Nokia with my information more than some companies, but that's really not the point. Jun 17 20:15:58 also, as DocScrutinizer2 mentioned, the settings control doesn't "know" if you are subscribed. Jun 17 20:16:03 That's a blatant privacy violation. Jun 17 20:16:11 meh Jun 17 20:16:22 Perhaps time to get my lawyer to check it out for me? Jun 17 20:16:40 Whether it is legal or not...? Jun 17 20:17:08 please, any action is preferrable to rants. It would be greatly appreciated too Jun 17 20:17:17 DrGrov: good idea Jun 17 20:17:31 May I swear in public? Jun 17 20:17:38 its not something Nokia devs can help with either, has to go to legal Jun 17 20:17:56 I have to ask permission for swearing first though Jun 17 20:18:02 Please...? :) Jun 17 20:18:08 go ahead Jun 17 20:18:46 DrGrov: anyway your lawyer will be pleased. Safe money for him Jun 17 20:18:48 I am fucking sick and tired of Nokia fucking me around with first the N97 which is a completely different story and now they keep messing around with the "flagship" device, the N900. Jun 17 20:19:27 cue comment about N900 not being a flagship device... Jun 17 20:19:30 DocScrutinizer2: I am really interested to know whether it might actually hold up in court to press charges against Nokia for this. Jun 17 20:19:46 probably it will Jun 17 20:19:51 microlith, i never disappoint Jun 17 20:20:06 DrGrov, the N900 isn't a flagship device Jun 17 20:20:13 lol Jun 17 20:20:20 MohammadAG: you see the irony in my statement? :) lol Jun 17 20:20:28 DrGrov, I personally wouldn't go that far, but if you want to make a fuss about it, and think you can, be my guest. Jun 17 20:20:33 its difficult because SMS is a small amount of money to go after in a civil case Jun 17 20:20:48 yes of course it is small money but hey... Jun 17 20:20:54 What is the supposed benefit of this "service" again? So they can provide you with helpful SMS spam, or some such? Jun 17 20:21:24 but thats where a lawyer can actually help Jun 17 20:21:27 now we are talking about a serious company with good history who is disregarding the consumer Jun 17 20:21:28 flailingmonkey: no, the privacy violation, together with several other regulations they disobey, that's the case to fight here Jun 17 20:21:46 it's only a meesage... Jun 17 20:22:04 MohammadAG, Yeah, but it's the principle of the thing. Jun 17 20:22:10 indeed, but armchair lawyers don'tm cut it in this case Jun 17 20:22:17 it's only a meesage gdi... Jun 17 20:22:26 e.g. My device is MY device - it should not be phoning home for any reason unless I tell it to, and have a choice. Jun 17 20:22:29 this not about one message Jun 17 20:22:33 and it's not like Nokia cares about your number Jun 17 20:22:40 MohammadAG, no, they probably don't. Jun 17 20:22:53 hmm Jun 17 20:22:53 you bet hey do. Here in Germany we got a whole class of lawyers that make a good living from cases like that Jun 17 20:23:00 how do I kill the other me Jun 17 20:23:03 But plenty of companies do worse with that sort of thing, and being complacent about it will not improve things. Jun 17 20:23:07 this is about personal integrity Jun 17 20:23:21 DocScrutinizer2, can you kickban MohammadAG and remove the ban 5 seconds later? :) Jun 17 20:23:48 frankly, ths issue needs to be addressed by Nokia, and I don't know why it hasn't been. where did MyNokia come from anyway, the symbian people? Jun 17 20:23:57 yes Jun 17 20:24:02 flailingmonkey: agreed, this issue has to be dealt with. Jun 17 20:24:03 the maemo team wouldn't bother with such stuff Jun 17 20:24:05 MohammadAG51, "Privacy for the sake of Privacy" is the doctrine I follow - who cares if it's a practical problem in this specific case. Jun 17 20:24:12 MohammadAG51: you ask for strange favours Jun 17 20:24:14 it was first introduced in a fw update for the N95 Jun 17 20:24:37 V20 i think Jun 17 20:24:37 Perhaps my nightly aggressions can come handy tomorrow with Nokia? Jun 17 20:25:00 Try not to kill them over the phone. -snerk- Jun 17 20:25:02 I mean, I always thought Nokia got their shit together but it seems to be going downwards more Jun 17 20:25:07 That tends to go over poorly. Jun 17 20:25:32 jaem: yes it does. i can not strangle them properly since I do not have a cord close by lol Jun 17 20:25:44 No but seriously. I am pissed off with the treatment. Jun 17 20:25:47 * jaem nods Jun 17 20:25:51 Nokia has inter-communication problems (as well as other communication problems) Jun 17 20:26:13 Back in the good old days Nokia was more about delivering the talk and they walked the walk. Jun 17 20:26:34 Now they are sitting on their lazy asses doing basically nothing "major"... Jun 17 20:26:42 Fuck, I am so disappointed.... Jun 17 20:26:50 Sorry for my public swearing Jun 17 20:27:02 good old days was not as big a company as it is now Jun 17 20:27:04 DocScrutinizer2: so you think there would be a good chance to perhaps get some answers for this? Jun 17 20:27:18 flailingmonkey: that really might be the core problem. Jun 17 20:27:59 lol, does the wiki have a org chart to figure out who might connected to Nokia and how Jun 17 20:28:01 What might be the best place to call first to get some damn answers? Jun 17 20:28:06 get a beagleboard and build your own phone Jun 17 20:28:08 :) Jun 17 20:28:23 MohammadAG51, that'd be one big phone. Jun 17 20:28:26 MohammadAG51: ah yes, you be my right hand in the progress? :D Jun 17 20:28:38 DrGrov: I bet you can enter arbitrary police station and rise a criminal investigation, as they basically are robbing some 20ct off every of their customers. There've been dudes doing time in jail for less Jun 17 20:28:39 DrGrov, no :P Jun 17 20:28:40 Isn't that one of the platforms the Symbian Foundation is porting to as a reference? Jun 17 20:28:41 MohammadAG51: since I basically got two left hands Jun 17 20:28:54 I have two hands left Jun 17 20:29:16 jaem, isn't the beagleboard small? Jun 17 20:29:25 At least it looked small on the site Jun 17 20:29:29 MohammadAG51, Yes, but not /that/ small. Jun 17 20:29:36 DocScrutinizer2: You think the police will give any time for such accusations? Jun 17 20:29:51 * MohammadAG51 wants one Jun 17 20:30:01 MohammadAG51, then again... compared to *this* http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=287 :D Jun 17 20:30:01 quite cheap compared to the N900 tbh Jun 17 20:30:10 MohammadAG51, I wouldn't mind one either. Jun 17 20:30:18 That reminds me... Jun 17 20:30:28 I think I will go for a god damn Nokia 1100 or the old Cityman something brick phone Jun 17 20:30:41 No need for any serious malfunctions. The thing just works like it should. Jun 17 20:30:59 DrGrov: If you have a malware on your computer that does a money order off your account to some russian mafia, wouldn't they investigate that? no matter how high the amount of money? Jun 17 20:31:36 DocScrutinizer2: true, it is perhaps not about the money but about the principle of a committed crime. Jun 17 20:32:05 Does anyone know how complicated it would be to strip down Diablo to a (working) console + SSH? I don't use my N810 for much more than reading eBooks these days, and it occurred to me that with its hardware (and without X and all that taking up resources) it might be useful for wearable computing projects. Jun 17 20:32:08 DocScrutinizer2: at least Nokia Care or what ever it is called these days will get a god damn call. I start with that Jun 17 20:32:33 e.g. hook up some gear to the USB port, use the wireless capabilities, etc. Jun 17 20:34:38 hmm Jun 17 20:34:48 according to wikipedia a beagleboard XM is planned Jun 17 20:35:58 According to Wikipedia, "Beagle-board" is a recognized "Computer Form Factor" Jun 17 20:36:07 I have my doubts about that... Jun 17 20:36:32 DrGrov: google for help-on-homework or similar. The website asks for your tel number and addr, and then lets you enter the "FREE!" worthless main page. 4 weeks later 25 bucks are on your phone bill, for registering to 6 months of homework help. All those cases were going to court Jun 17 20:36:36 i wonder Jun 17 20:36:47 DocScrutinizer2, would it suffer from electromigration? Jun 17 20:36:52 if it was overclocked Jun 17 20:39:16 DrGrov: or remember the infamous windows dialers from back the times when we all used dial up internet Jun 17 20:40:24 internet access via 0900-xxxxxx for 4.99/min. Installed without you even noticing it Jun 17 20:40:26 DocScrutinizer: ah yes, that is a similar case here. not about the same amount of money but still... principle is the same Jun 17 20:40:48 How do I get the Conversations Inbox Widget working now with PR 1.2? I am in desperate need to get it working.... :/ Jun 17 20:42:06 DrGrov: go to settings-MyNokia and hit "unregister" until it says it unregistered successfully. You'l hit that 4.99 figure easily, in less than 10 min Jun 17 20:42:54 DocScrutinizer: ah ok, so they are actually ripping us off money then the sceamy bastards? Jun 17 20:43:14 obviously Jun 17 20:43:55 DocScrutinizer2: you got any clues on that Conversations Inbox widget? I am trying but nothing :/ Jun 17 20:44:22 It seems like the version 1.1.1 is enough to get it working Jun 17 20:44:27 though it's yet unclear in which countries the SMS is a permium service SMS that will earn Nokia money, or if they simply got a deal with the carriers to get a certain amount for each SMS Jun 17 20:44:59 DrGrov: no idea, sorry Jun 17 20:45:22 DocScrutinizer2: no problem. i found on the maemo forum the solution :) it is version 1.1.1 that makes it automagically working :) Jun 17 21:05:49 alterego, requesting permission to fsck up your script :P Jun 17 21:08:55 If I make a program that makes you add stuff, for example a exercise. Should it be in a dialog or in a window to be "maemo-style" Jun 17 21:10:15 Lullen, I've seen both, but your design might make difference, too. Jun 17 21:10:23 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 17 21:10:30 gnite Jun 17 21:10:33 e.g. if it's a simple textbox + "Add" button, putting it in a dialog might be inefficient Jun 17 21:10:42 That's just my personal opinion, completely aside from any HIG Jun 17 21:11:28 Lullen, if you press an add button to create the new ite, yes it should be in a dialog afaik Jun 17 21:11:47 but it all depends on what else you want there and how the rest of the flow goes Jun 17 21:11:50 Hi, this is kenya888, the first time to join this irc channel :-) Jun 17 21:11:55 hi Jun 17 21:12:04 hiya kenya888 \o Jun 17 21:12:08 the camera app is a nice example of how UI specifications can be a poor fit for a specialized app Jun 17 21:12:47 pupnik, indeed, sometimes things have to exist in a different orientation Jun 17 21:13:18 pupnik: Indeed. Jun 17 21:13:20 I have a question about extras-devel autobuilder. Jun 17 21:13:27 pupnik: I just had a bug against that WONTFIXed. Jun 17 21:13:41 SpeedEvil, #? Jun 17 21:13:58 pupnik: For example - I'm about to go out on a trip. I want to turn on geotagging. I don't want to take pictures now. Can't do it without opening the shutter. Jun 17 21:14:10 kenya888, ask away :) we will try to help if possible Jun 17 21:14:32 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10265 Jun 17 21:14:34 Bug 10265: Camera settings not available without opening shutter. Jun 17 21:14:36 luck, thank you :-) Jun 17 21:15:37 I have posted my src package to extras-devel autobuilder with ssh, but it remain being queue now... I'd like to delete it from queue. What should I do? Jun 17 21:16:01 ping X-Fade Jun 17 21:16:01 It is "ibus" Input Method software. Jun 17 21:16:17 SpeedEvil, its not like its non obvious, it does have a massive thing indicating what to do Jun 17 21:16:39 lcuk: Indeed. Jun 17 21:16:40 you can see it on Maemo Extras Assistant top page, right side of it. Jun 17 21:16:52 kenya888, how long has it been on the queue? Jun 17 21:17:22 lcuk: However, simply because it's got a massive dialog doesn't make it right. It makes the workaround obvious. Jun 17 21:17:31 luck, about 7 days, submitted on 11 Jun. Jun 17 21:17:35 wow, vodafone in italy with the summer card promotion is a very good thing for n900 users here Jun 17 21:18:12 lcuk, sory typo of your name :-( Jun 17 21:18:19 for 5 euro/month, you get a flat hsdpa connection with no filters for 1 euro for every day of effective usage Jun 17 21:18:38 so, if you get connected 24h 7/7, with 35 euro/month you have a real flat connection Jun 17 21:18:38 kenya888, gimme the link to the page where its stuck Jun 17 21:19:10 luck, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant Jun 17 21:19:18 nextime: I have doubts. Jun 17 21:19:35 nextime: Is there no 'We reserve the right to protect the network...' clause? Jun 17 21:19:53 lcuk... sorry again :-( Jun 17 21:19:54 kenya888, try again, thats page not found :p Jun 17 21:19:55 SpeedEvil : yes, of course, but in italy those things aren't applied Jun 17 21:20:43 you get limited only if you do more that let me say a lot of gigs of traffic in one month Jun 17 21:20:51 but a with a lot i mean... really a lot Jun 17 21:21:17 nextime: 'more than a lot' is not 24*7 Jun 17 21:21:33 * MohammadAG51 is online 25/8 Jun 17 21:21:36 ha! Jun 17 21:22:07 * SpeedEvil is online 44*7 Jun 17 21:22:18 (I have two rather broken network connections) Jun 17 21:22:23 lcuk, How about this? > http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/ibus/1.3.4-2maemo4/ Jun 17 21:22:57 kenya888, yeah i see the packages in http://maemo.org/packages/view/ibus/ Jun 17 21:23:09 but its not sat on the RHS of the screen Jun 17 21:23:23 this is some really fun public pranking: http://improveverywhere.com/missions/the-mp3-experiments/ Jun 17 21:23:42 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-June/023397.html Jun 17 21:23:47 i even see where it was built Jun 17 21:24:49 lcuk, yes it is. but it isn't the latest. The latest one I'd like to build is 1.3.4-2maemo4. not maemo3. Jun 17 21:25:02 so? Jun 17 21:25:21 change the changelog number Jun 17 21:25:33 you can see it remain being on the queue form my link > http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/ibus/1.3.4-2maemo4/ Jun 17 21:25:37 kenya888, MohammadAG51 is right, you havent submitted a later one? Jun 17 21:26:15 Just need two more .. Jun 17 21:26:32 ,, Jun 17 21:26:34 .. even Jun 17 21:26:36 alterego, I want a countdown status updater, 10 minutes ago Jun 17 21:26:42 :) Jun 17 21:26:57 SpeedEvil : it is 24/7 Jun 17 21:27:05 it needs to countdown till 1:30 UTC+3 time Jun 17 21:27:12 with a limit on the total traffic Jun 17 21:27:32 but it is a limit that you can reach just if you download 3 film in HD every day Jun 17 21:27:48 alterego, oh and make it countdown in light years Jun 17 21:27:56 and it isn't a thing i will do from my phone Jun 17 21:27:57 :) Jun 17 21:27:58 kenya888, ok i see your issue Jun 17 21:28:04 i dont see how Jun 17 21:28:07 but i see it Jun 17 21:28:15 amazing Jun 17 21:28:18 xP Jun 17 21:29:28 MohammadAG51, lcuk, thanks for you advice. but I have update my changelog to new version... Jun 17 21:29:39 lcuk, sees your issue Jun 17 21:29:40 well aall the build information is working on 1.3.4-2maemo3 apart from somewhere a sneaky 1.3.4-2maemo4 has gotten onto place :S Jun 17 21:29:49 lcuk, thanks, and sorry for my poor English. Jun 17 21:30:08 theres not even a cauldron build logged for the later version Jun 17 21:30:16 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-June/thread.html Jun 17 21:30:21 Is it possible to let my application be notified every time a calendar event is happening? Jun 17 21:30:28 reupload it i guess Jun 17 21:30:33 yeah Jun 17 21:31:31 jacekowski: hey man, what about your repository for chromium? Do you still have it? Jun 17 21:32:11 kenya888, on irc, nobody speaks any particular language \o nice to see you hacking on maemo and hope it gets sorted Jun 17 21:33:09 hey \o/ Jun 17 21:33:17 I speak english, and fluent gibberish. Jun 17 21:33:24 haha Jun 17 21:33:30 lol Jun 17 21:33:35 hahaha, thanks all:-) Jun 17 21:33:44 SpeedEvil, my kunfu-gibberish is stronger than your Jun 17 21:33:48 yours* Jun 17 21:34:02 yawn Jun 17 21:34:05 hi! I m using qt4 on maemo5. How and where can I find a repertory to stock my application data? Jun 17 21:34:25 you can stock it where you like Jun 17 21:34:27 repertory? Jun 17 21:34:35 DrIDK do you want ot up your application you mean? Jun 17 21:34:43 MohammadAG, reposetory Jun 17 21:34:53 repository Jun 17 21:35:07 MohammadAG51, I have uploaded newer src package 1.3.4-2maemo5, but no build action have been started... so I'd like delete queue... Jun 17 21:35:12 DrIDK, Do you mean a packaged build of your application, or data of some sort for your application? Jun 17 21:35:14 ZogG: my application dowloads some file... I want to keep them somewhere Jun 17 21:35:22 kenya888, reupload it Jun 17 21:35:33 DrIDK, Oh... you'd either need to pay for somewhere to host it, or ask a friend who has some space. Jun 17 21:35:34 hmm Jun 17 21:35:35 Hahah, ysss' post on that "Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does" thread was priceless. Jun 17 21:35:36 What is the file in question? Jun 17 21:35:38 I lol'd hard. Jun 17 21:35:40 DrIDK, what kind of file? and why does it needs it? Jun 17 21:35:40 i can ssh and kill xchat Jun 17 21:35:50 alterego, link Jun 17 21:35:56 jaem: ZogG : For example, my application dowload pictures logo.. I want to keep them Jun 17 21:36:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=706203#post706203 Jun 17 21:36:04 alterego, was there "to make me coffee" ? Jun 17 21:36:09 MohammadAG51, It must be the same version for upload? Jun 17 21:36:15 jaem: ZogG and test : If ( picture exist , don't download it) Jun 17 21:36:17 DrIDK, you make a package Jun 17 21:36:23 kenya888, upload a new later version, if that doesnt unblock your queue problem, mail garage admin Jun 17 21:36:24 DrIDK, tinypic's enough for pics :) Jun 17 21:36:44 DrIDK, What is the picture of? Is it a graphic for the application? Jun 17 21:37:12 DrIDK, if it's app included - make a package of all the stuff you need and up it to repo, otherwise you can't host these kind of files on repos, it's stupid Jun 17 21:37:17 and it's garbage =) Jun 17 21:37:46 lcuk, OK, I'll try it:-) Jun 17 21:37:55 ZogG: avatar picture for example Jun 17 21:37:59 DrIDK, to put it a bit less bluntly, if it goes with the app, ship it with the app. Jun 17 21:38:03 but if you need your app to donload pictures, i think you shoul find separete host Jun 17 21:38:05 DrIDK, the user's avatar? Jun 17 21:38:12 jaem: yes Jun 17 21:38:19 thanks all, see you:-) Jun 17 21:38:30 DrIDK, Ah, so you need for them to able to download their avatar from... somewhere? Jun 17 21:38:31 DrIDK, use it from local files Jun 17 21:38:38 ...and then store it for future use? Jun 17 21:38:55 ZogG: in KDE, we have this : KStandardDirs::locate("apps) => it return /home/user/.kde4/application/data ... Jun 17 21:38:57 DrIDK, or you can intagrate the app with yfrog or other picture host Jun 17 21:39:20 There are apps with dozens of megabytes of stuff in extras-devel Jun 17 21:39:27 'jammo' ? Jun 17 21:39:29 DrIDK, i think it's inda same here, the question is how you get picture there =) Jun 17 21:39:29 DrIDK, This should be useful: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qdesktopservices.html#StandardLocation-enum Jun 17 21:39:44 jaem: AHhh!! Thx Jun 17 21:39:46 SpeedEvil, DrIDK is asking about storing user-retrieved content, I believe Jun 17 21:39:53 ah. Jun 17 21:39:57 Missed that. Jun 17 21:40:11 * ZogG is sa Jun 17 21:40:14 * ZogG is sad Jun 17 21:40:17 DrIDK, Use the appropriate enum value, grab the path with QDesktopServices::storageLocation(), and save it there. Jun 17 21:40:26 * MohammadAG51 stabs ZogG Jun 17 21:40:32 * ZogG dies Jun 17 21:40:36 * jaem is sa Jun 17 21:40:38 * jaem is sad Jun 17 21:40:46 =( Jun 17 21:42:52 there si so many noise about this meego, i start to hate it Jun 17 21:43:17 * zap has quit, exactly when zap.co.il site is timeouts for me Jun 17 21:43:18 damn Jun 17 21:43:27 hate is a strange term :) Jun 17 21:43:38 * lcuk rather likes what it will allow if it all works Jun 17 21:43:50 linaro looks interesting too. Jun 17 21:44:34 3D games on the PS Store for anyone with a PS3 and a 3D display Jun 17 21:44:48 games? for the ps3? Jun 17 21:45:02 lcuk, the PS3 rocks :) Jun 17 21:45:10 you'd like it if you had one Jun 17 21:45:20 not really, they removed linux from it Jun 17 21:45:29 it was limited anyways Jun 17 21:45:29 lcuk, do you want MohammadAG's ? Jun 17 21:45:45 the chi inside ps3 is interesting Jun 17 21:45:48 chip Jun 17 21:45:51 Cell? Jun 17 21:45:55 i know :( Jun 17 21:46:00 MohammadAG is playing the terrorist games =)))))) Jun 17 21:46:04 but RSX access was disabled Jun 17 21:46:12 so no hardware graphics access Jun 17 21:46:25 ZogG, i AM a terrorist Jun 17 21:46:32 i think n900 is cooler and stronger than ps3 Jun 17 21:46:42 you're an idiot then :P Jun 17 21:46:47 i want new MK in 3D and HD on N900 Jun 17 21:46:51 ps3 doesnt play on bus Jun 17 21:46:54 or in car really Jun 17 21:46:58 or on toilet Jun 17 21:47:03 lies Jun 17 21:47:04 lcuk, in car you drive =) Jun 17 21:47:05 without special config Jun 17 21:47:07 i tried the toilet Jun 17 21:47:14 ZogG, theres more than one seat in a car for a reason Jun 17 21:47:16 ;) Jun 17 21:47:24 LOL Jun 17 21:47:26 lcuk, it does actually, as you have wireless joypad Jun 17 21:47:39 lcuk, i don't see any reason, it's lies =) Jun 17 21:47:39 well yeah Jun 17 21:47:50 MohammadAG51 anyway i would like to have new MK Jun 17 21:47:50 i once played wii baseball from the kitchen Jun 17 21:48:06 sorry, only AK-47s here Jun 17 21:48:08 MohammadAG, and starwars force unleashed 2 trailer looks badass Jun 17 21:48:18 star wars lego kicks ass Jun 17 21:48:22 * lcuk has it for wii Jun 17 21:48:25 lcuk, see the PS move trailer Jun 17 21:48:34 ps? Jun 17 21:48:39 photoshop movie? Jun 17 21:48:40 PlayStation Jun 17 21:48:47 move, not movie Jun 17 21:49:02 that dildo with the lamp attached? Jun 17 21:49:05 it looks failure Jun 17 21:49:29 they should make it as gloves Jun 17 21:49:34 says the guy who says the N900 is more powerful than an N900 Jun 17 21:49:41 PS3* lol Jun 17 21:49:44 haha Jun 17 21:49:48 MohammadAG51, it is Jun 17 21:49:55 can your ps3 make phone calls? Jun 17 21:49:59 yes Jun 17 21:49:59 MohammadAG, my N900 is more powerfull than yours Jun 17 21:50:08 without looking like a dork Jun 17 21:50:09 MohammadAG, liar Jun 17 21:50:19 side talking to the extreme! Jun 17 21:50:27 lcuk, it can target a missile in realtime Jun 17 21:50:41 lucky me, you don't knwo where i live Jun 17 21:50:50 dude Jun 17 21:50:57 MohammadAG51, thats all well and good, i can fly a helicopter Jun 17 21:51:01 i could nuke IL, you live there :P Jun 17 21:51:07 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Striker-II-USB-Laser-Guided-Missile-Launcher-3-Missiles-/110528746620?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19bc06d47c ? Jun 17 21:51:11 lcuk, and I'm the queen of england Jun 17 21:51:25 actually MohammadAG51 i can, ive got an rc one :P Jun 17 21:51:28 MohammadAG, i hope you do so, so i wouldn't be stuck with N900 anymore =) Jun 17 21:51:47 ptl: yeah, i just have to set it up Jun 17 21:51:54 ptl: and i don't have time for it at the moment Jun 17 21:51:58 damn headache Jun 17 21:52:24 MohammadAG51, is it that bad days in a month time for you, darling? Jun 17 21:52:24 what's on the left side of the cerebrum? Jun 17 21:52:30 o.o Jun 17 21:53:53 MohammadAG51 playing good in infamous is much harder than bad =( Jun 17 21:54:08 i know :) Jun 17 21:54:18 i'm playing the good guy Jun 17 21:54:20 as i am Jun 17 21:54:27 lies Jun 17 21:57:01 ok i'm not Jun 17 21:57:03 you got me Jun 17 21:57:24 anyway i'm starting to hate quil answers @ TMO Jun 17 21:57:33 why? Jun 17 21:57:36 those are pointless Jun 17 21:57:47 it has no info and only makes you angry Jun 17 21:57:59 he never aswer straight Jun 17 21:58:23 i disagree Jun 17 21:58:25 only those parts he wants and he makes it in such style so the answer is not connected and pointless Jun 17 21:58:27 Any particlar example? Jun 17 21:58:47 SpeedEvil last thread about maemo misleading Jun 17 21:59:34 he talks in general and never specific Jun 17 22:00:04 i don't blame him -as it's his job, but he is only one link to Nokia as we had (as i see it) Jun 17 22:00:24 * SpeedEvil is rewatching babylon 5. Jun 17 22:00:26 and probably he can't tell everything as well as say something that would make Nokia looks bad Jun 17 22:00:29 'Last best hope for peace' Jun 17 22:00:38 SpeedEvil, TV show? Jun 17 22:00:46 ZogG: yes. Jun 17 22:00:48 * ZogG found out that there PopEye movie Jun 17 22:00:56 the movie with real actors Jun 17 22:00:59 shame Jun 17 22:01:16 crashanddie, \o/ Jun 17 22:01:28 ? Jun 17 22:01:50 crashanddie greetings, outospace stranger Jun 17 22:02:09 greetings, earthling Jun 17 22:04:16 MohammadAG51 finished school? Jun 17 22:04:34 and why do you add those 51? are you DocScrutinizer's son? Jun 17 22:09:15 yes, adoptec Jun 17 22:09:18 d Jun 17 22:09:40 and he asked for using the 51 :-D Jun 17 22:10:22 it should be 42 Jun 17 22:10:48 nah that's joerg42 Jun 17 22:11:03 ▄██████████████▄▐█▄▄▄▄█▌ ██████▌▄▌▄▐▐▌███▌▀▀██▀▀ ████▄█▌▄▌▄▐▐▌▀███▄▄█▌ Jun 17 22:11:03 ▄▄▄▄▄██████████████▀ Jun 17 22:11:06 fuck Jun 17 22:11:16 ▄██████████████▄▐█▄▄▄▄█▌ ██████▌▄▌▄▐▐▌███▌▀▀██▀▀ ████▄█▌▄▌▄▐▐▌▀███▄▄█▌ Jun 17 22:11:16 ▄▄▄▄▄██████████████▀ Jun 17 22:11:16 4 minutes ago · Unlike · 1 person Jun 17 22:11:22 FUCKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Jun 17 22:11:30 LOOOOOOOOOOL Jun 17 22:11:39 ooops Jun 17 22:11:43 wrong channel Jun 17 22:11:45 soory Jun 17 22:11:50 for f word Jun 17 22:11:52 and spam Jun 17 22:11:56 what Jun 17 22:11:57 =( Jun 17 22:12:12 nevermind - i thought it was other channel Jun 17 22:13:21 joerg42, i think you should kick me at least (but srsly i;m sorry) Jun 17 22:14:02 CTCP version wasn't offensive enough? :-P Jun 17 22:15:00 are your viruses now in my computer? Jun 17 22:15:14 always been Jun 17 22:15:43 it had to be and huge whale with FAIL on it, i succedded to make it proper looking on IRC but it's not that channel to post it =))) Jun 17 22:16:02 i thought i'm on one flood russian chan so i can do it =))) Jun 17 22:16:47 how'd ya know you aren't? Jun 17 22:18:45 ZogG: what on earth is that supposed to be? Jun 17 22:19:12 pupnik_ huge whale with fail on side Jun 17 22:19:39 failwhale? :) nice Jun 17 22:20:02 channel #failwhale created Jun 17 22:20:40 pupnik_, you got it in PM =))) Jun 17 22:21:18 hmm Jun 17 22:21:26 mafw stutters a lot today Jun 17 22:26:01 Every time I upload a new version of an application and promote it to testing, it has to go through the whole voting crap again right? Jun 17 22:26:12 muhahahaha Jun 17 22:26:18 (that means yes) Jun 17 22:26:22 This is fucking ridiculous Jun 17 22:26:29 Not having internet for the machine that sorts your email makes for a hectic inbox in Modest. Jun 17 22:26:32 I have QEvent... How do I convert it to QMouseEvent Jun 17 22:26:39 OI, watch your fucking language Jun 17 22:26:52 alterego one hand it is but other hand it stop people of crappy apps Jun 17 22:27:00 ovi store si the place for crappy apps =) Jun 17 22:27:03 So, I develop an application, then I have to spend a couple of weeks begging people to help me promote it, great development cycle :( Jun 17 22:27:08 alterego, we're considering having different criteria for minor revisions. Jun 17 22:27:09 get 10 friends alterego :) Jun 17 22:27:15 lol Jun 17 22:27:16 LOL Jun 17 22:27:20 pupnik_, =))))))) Jun 17 22:27:21 alterego, get it to Extras, then don't worry about it for a while. Jun 17 22:27:32 that's what I did :& Jun 17 22:27:34 )* Jun 17 22:27:38 The point is to prevent untested or rushed stuff from hitting users. Jun 17 22:28:02 pupnik_: all my friends have "forgotten" their passwordsd .. Jun 17 22:28:04 So, yes, the process takes a little while. Jun 17 22:28:04 my app stayed 30+ days Jun 17 22:28:15 Can't we put forward weighted karma for the packages? Jun 17 22:28:21 We're also working on getting more people for testing. Jun 17 22:28:28 Super Testers, etc. Jun 17 22:28:47 We don't need more people, we need to value those that have prooved to be good testers Jun 17 22:29:34 That's the point of Super Testers, yes. Jun 17 22:29:51 alterego facebook it or twitter it =) Jun 17 22:29:56 So, erm, super testers, who are they then? Jun 17 22:30:45 alterego they are common people like you and me, they don't need any respect or money, they just do their job.... watch this summer in the theaters - SUPER TESTERS =) Jun 17 22:30:58 Heh Jun 17 22:31:33 meh... the booming "COMING THIS SUMMER..." thing doesn't work quite so well over a text medium, sad to say... Jun 17 22:32:09 alterego anyway you can go to community section on TMO and post everything you think would be usefull on "[brainstorm 2010] package" or other thread with this tag that suits Jun 17 22:32:34 jaem, you just didn't see the trailer Jun 17 22:32:48 ZogG, can you stream it over telnet for me? Jun 17 22:33:36 it's montage with changig picts and the voice is so calm and quite so it make contrast Jun 17 22:34:21 is "profiled" one of those closed blobs? Jun 17 22:35:40 tripzero "profiled" ? Jun 17 22:35:58 on dbus it is com.nokia.profiled Jun 17 22:43:28 tripzero you mean phone calls profiles, like silent and so on? Jun 17 22:46:15 who knows Jun 17 22:49:08 2? Jun 17 22:49:25 * ZogG charges DocScrutinizer2 to 51 Jun 17 22:49:52 :-P Jun 17 22:53:06 ZogG, yes, that's what profiled is supposed to track Jun 17 22:53:09 DocScrutinizer, are you usb mounted now? Jun 17 22:53:11 is it open? Jun 17 22:53:45 tripzero, not sure, but it's hard to say what you mean by profile. anyway you should check profileX app - it adds more profiles Jun 17 23:03:48 tripzero: i'd just browse the gitoreous site Jun 17 23:04:09 okay Jun 17 23:29:29 God "Goodbye to Maemo" should be renamed "Another iPhone argument" Jun 17 23:29:59 Im seriously full of this ishit Jun 17 23:30:16 * SpeedEvil likes some apple products. Jun 17 23:30:24 For example, sauce. Jun 17 23:30:56 arent there same sorts of arguments on desktop linux distro sites Jun 17 23:31:09 like this one guy was like pointing out bad points about N900. "stulys gets lost too easily" I was lik wtf dude.. Jun 17 23:31:47 Dassu: That is an annoyance - they should have thrown another couple in the box. Jun 17 23:31:51 * pupnik suggests a spare stylus for 900 successor Jun 17 23:31:55 and same goes with iphone "Im using these apps daily: (insert 20 app list here)" Jun 17 23:31:59 It literally costs nokia around 2 or 3 cents. Jun 17 23:33:03 SpeedEvil: It has a good holder and it is because of the users own caresless that that those get lost Jun 17 23:34:09 Carelessness - sure. Jun 17 23:34:20 Dassu, no argument but everyone loses styluses Jun 17 23:34:24 I can see the argument for not having a stylus sensor. Jun 17 23:34:34 That actually costs maybe $.20 or so. Jun 17 23:34:45 A couple of extra styluses is actually lots cheaper. Jun 17 23:35:09 .... Jun 17 23:35:48 I would hate to have useless extra stuff Jun 17 23:36:46 seriously people place things on random locations and thats why they get lost. My stulys is always either in the holder or in my hands Jun 17 23:38:37 if you put extras in the box, you'd lose them before the one in the N900 Jun 17 23:38:51 happens all the time, because they have nowhere to go Jun 17 23:38:58 not at all, i have spare stylus for my fujitsu loox still in its place in its box Jun 17 23:39:35 evening wazd Jun 17 23:40:19 lcuk is a packrat Jun 17 23:40:24 :p Jun 17 23:40:33 probably Jun 17 23:40:34 I have a japanese stylus for my n900. Jun 17 23:40:38 Well - japanese maple. Jun 17 23:40:43 I whittled it. Jun 17 23:40:45 cool Jun 17 23:41:02 i was thinking then that it would be a little shorter than a usual stylus Jun 17 23:41:33 I still have the primary and spare stylus' for my Nokia 770, 800 and 810 Jun 17 23:41:39 did you put the notch in so that it clicks into the N900? Jun 17 23:41:48 I was quite dissapointed however when I didn't get a spare with the N900 Jun 17 23:42:12 i didnt get a box Jun 17 23:42:18 Even though my stylus' loss ratio is 0% :) Jun 17 23:42:20 i forget I'm talking to people that spend a significant amount of their time on IRC talking about linux devices :P Jun 17 23:43:00 stylus slot discriminates against left-handed people :/ Jun 17 23:43:19 stylus doubles as a battery popping tool Jun 17 23:43:36 and handy thing to poke missus with when she says something annoying :D Jun 17 23:43:41 tho she gets me back Jun 17 23:43:41 i just slam the device into my hand Jun 17 23:43:43 LOL Jun 17 23:43:53 MohammadAG51, for the cover Jun 17 23:43:56 i have no fingernails Jun 17 23:44:05 so i just jam the stylus into the thumb notch Jun 17 23:44:14 and popppp Jun 17 23:44:17 have you lost it? Jun 17 23:44:28 my missus? Jun 17 23:44:38 or finger nail Jun 17 23:44:42 virginity =) Jun 17 23:44:45 i mean sylus Jun 17 23:44:49 stylus Jun 17 23:44:50 he said it, not her Jun 17 23:45:09 i never lose my stylii Jun 17 23:45:28 lcuk, no fingernails? Jun 17 23:45:30 ive lost them over time Jun 17 23:45:33 but they turn up Jun 17 23:45:37 barely Jun 17 23:46:52 note, that is after real stitches, its not pretty but theres other fingers on show lol http://liqbase.net/finger_macro.jpg Jun 17 23:48:51 :( Jun 17 23:49:25 lcuk: you lose your fingers over time? IS that your hand?! Jun 17 23:49:28 I did not need to see that... Jun 17 23:52:51 adios Jun 17 23:57:03 alterego, yes its my hand Jun 17 23:57:16 vldcnst, i didnt post it without a warning Jun 18 00:00:05 Why do you lose your fingernails? Jun 18 00:08:19 SpeedEvil, a long tale ;) Jun 18 01:08:22 I just made the purchase for an n900 and I feel good about it Jun 18 01:08:31 Congratulations. Jun 18 01:08:36 ty Jun 18 01:08:56 * SpeedEvil has only one regret - that they diddn't put more than one stylus in th ebox. Jun 18 01:09:06 Oh - IMO - you need to put a screen protector on right away. Jun 18 01:09:13 Others disagree. Jun 18 01:09:33 ty SpeedE I'm pretty careful, but ... Jun 18 01:10:01 I have an n800 in pretty good working order, no scratches Jun 18 01:10:23 I was gardening with mine - using it to listen to mp3 - and managed to put seccaterurs in wrong pocket, and bend down and up a couple of hundred times. Jun 18 01:10:32 Protector was almost shredded. Jun 18 01:11:44 jeez Jun 18 01:12:27 I have 10 more months w/t-mobile I figure purchasing an n900 is a good deal for that time Jun 18 01:12:41 carrying n900 around physical-work-environments can shorten lifespan significantly Jun 18 01:13:16 pupnik: I'm pondering making a proper case for it. Jun 18 01:13:31 pupnik: As in nice thick slab of plastic on the front, ... Jun 18 01:13:48 ha, there is the metal one at Amazon? Jun 18 01:14:13 pupnik: Currently wishing that you could get cheap bluetooth modules so I could do a touchscreen on it Jun 18 01:14:29 ha Jun 18 01:15:15 I'd like a way so I can have it mostly water-resistant while watching videos, for example. Jun 18 01:15:23 Also probably with an extra battery. Jun 18 01:15:23 SpeedEvil: i think you and me are the only n900 owners who get hands dirty Jun 18 01:15:49 nice idea using logs to make that wall btw Jun 18 01:16:20 pupnik: I was doing pretty much a "blue color" job for a month and a half up until now Jun 18 01:16:30 building a house Jun 18 01:16:34 :) Jun 18 01:16:42 with me hands Jun 18 01:17:10 good stuff Jun 18 01:18:59 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ Jun 18 01:19:10 Me up ladder with n900 - chainsawing stuff. Jun 18 01:19:19 And hedgetrimming, ... Jun 18 01:19:32 Chainsaw up ladder is fun. Jun 18 01:19:58 good stuff yigal -- need to be able to do things besides modify patterns on screen ;) Jun 18 01:20:21 exactly, lol Jun 18 01:20:36 Good for excersize too. Jun 18 01:21:04 much better than a gym, makes me feel good Jun 18 01:21:08 yeah Jun 18 01:21:29 I find it really difficult to excersize for the sake of it. Jun 18 01:21:41 Actually find it easier to diet. Jun 18 01:22:29 me too, I like agriculture, home building, a making stuff with my hands Jun 18 01:23:07 http://qkwv.com/weight.gif Jun 18 01:23:09 :) Jun 18 01:24:03 that's some detailed stuff Jun 18 01:24:07 lol Jun 18 01:24:27 sorry I've already imbibed a bottle of wine Jun 18 01:24:43 not so good with figures at present Jun 18 01:24:45 I've wondered about a nice food/recipie/planning application. Jun 18 01:24:49 It's a lot of work. Jun 18 01:25:11 I can't wait to use gnuplot on my new n900 Jun 18 01:25:17 lol Jun 18 01:25:18 Ideally, it would be able to scan barcodes of stuff in cupoards, track levels, and suggest what meals you can make with them based on some recipie reviews site. Jun 18 01:25:39 There was a problem with it for a while Jun 18 01:25:58 I would settle on it being used as a laser level Jun 18 01:26:02 * SpeedEvil tries a reinstall Jun 18 01:26:18 The accel is moderately inaccurate. Jun 18 01:26:30 lol Jun 18 01:33:00 well I'm too drunk to do too much, later Speed etc. I'll be a proud owner in a couple days, this is awsome. Power to freedom!! Jun 18 01:33:45 Hmm. 419 quid@ebuyer Jun 18 01:35:51 There needs to be another component to karma - tracking good reviews on shopping sites :) Jun 18 01:36:57 Hey guys. I have a 332 MB big file called "home/user/.sharing/outbox/attachment-IGC34U" How the * do I delete it ? Jun 18 01:39:28 pelap: do you have "sharing" icon active in the status bar? Jun 18 01:40:31 Not now.. What does it look like exactly ? Jun 18 01:41:19 three dots connected by two lines in this orientation < Jun 18 01:42:15 ah yes. No I don't Jun 18 01:43:40 I thought it was email related, but those folders are empty.. Jun 18 01:43:51 possibly a flickr upload? Jun 18 01:44:20 maybe you accidentally hit share on a video clip Jun 18 01:45:23 True.. but how do i go about rectifying it ? Jun 18 01:46:02 Has anybody had the problem on a n900 with the mediaplayer getting stuck and not playing anything? I didn't install anything new. It just stopped playing anything one morning. Jun 18 01:47:21 Pelap: i would move the file to /media/mmc1 and see what breaks Jun 18 01:48:23 That would be via xterm ? I'm not great at linux commands :) Jun 18 01:48:57 see, normally if there is something in queue waiting to be shared, you will see the sharing icon Jun 18 01:50:02 yes. Cause i use Flickt, but there's no icon and this have been there for weeks now.. Jun 18 01:50:45 Pelap: that's good to know. Then i think you could be safe just moving it (mv) or deleting it (rm) Jun 18 01:50:47 so i guess you may probably safely delete it Jun 18 01:53:04 Okay, so it type in the full filename in xterm combined with rm. Jun 18 01:55:49 pavlo: it's been reported, I've hit it once, when playing corrupt videos. The infrastructure gets wedged. Jun 18 01:56:21 SpeedEvil: Any way to rectify it? Like reinstalling a package? Jun 18 01:56:49 reboot Jun 18 01:56:58 Tried that many times Jun 18 01:57:00 Oh. Jun 18 01:57:06 Sorry - misunderstood. Jun 18 01:57:06 It's been busted a couple of days now Jun 18 01:57:15 pavlo: Do you mean it can't find files? Jun 18 01:57:22 Nope it can find my files Jun 18 01:57:23 Or that it says 'unsupported file' Jun 18 01:57:30 No, I click to play Jun 18 01:57:35 The "now playing" screen comes up Jun 18 01:57:40 But nothing happens Jun 18 01:57:56 That's odd. Jun 18 01:58:09 Sorry - I have no worthwhile suggestions - other than backup and reflash Jun 18 01:58:24 I never flashed in the first place :-( Jun 18 01:58:28 It's gone! :) Thanks for helping out Jun 18 02:01:19 Hmmm now when I try to change the volume on the non-playing song, the cover art shows up and I get "Unable to perform operation" Jun 18 02:01:22 That's nice... Jun 18 02:16:08 Tried reinstalling "mediaplayer" package Jun 18 02:16:11 That didn't help Jun 18 02:28:32 http://gigaom.com/2010/03/18/the-mobile-os-market/ i'm amazed what a big player RIM still seems to be Jun 18 02:29:14 Lots of jobs with them. Jun 18 02:41:14 J2ME isn't too horrible on the N900! Jun 18 02:41:31 SpeedEvil: Strange! I uninstalled and reinstalled decoders-support. That seemed to fix it Jun 18 02:42:04 SpeedEvil: I can now listen to Joe the Plumbers audiobook!!! Score! Jun 18 02:47:33 ds3: using microemulator? Jun 18 02:55:06 Pavlov: odd. Jun 18 02:55:09 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 18 02:59:57 2010