**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 20 02:59:56 2010 Jun 20 03:19:56 luke-jr: damn I didn't want to shock you, or make you angry as now you probably need to buy that crap with calypso chipset. Or is there any other reason you're so quiet? :-P Jun 20 03:21:23 hmm, quiet earth... Jun 20 03:21:30 ~botsnack Jun 20 03:21:31 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Jun 20 03:22:37 snacks? I'll have salmon with butter and a bit of lemon. Jun 20 03:22:51 meh Jun 20 03:23:12 I hate my empty fridge :-( Jun 20 03:23:34 at least you have fridge =( Jun 20 03:23:56 you have internet and no fridge? what's wrong with you! Jun 20 03:24:01 yeah eating power like mad, to cool down 0.5L of milk Jun 20 03:24:33 vldcnst i'm eating thru internet Jun 20 03:24:51 thousand gibs a day Jun 20 03:24:52 ZogG: please a pointer to a mini-HowTo Jun 20 03:25:23 it's a secret of kunfu internet maste Jun 20 03:25:24 indeed Jun 20 03:25:26 master Jun 20 03:25:55 meh Jun 20 03:25:57 share or we will be forced to assimilate you Jun 20 03:26:17 i think this secret will go with to grave Jun 20 03:26:25 nothing personal Jun 20 03:27:59 Yeah I knew some dude who found out how to stop eating completely. Alas he took this knowledge with him to his grave, some 6 weeks later Jun 20 03:28:35 (no kidding :-/ ) Jun 20 03:28:42 ouch Jun 20 03:46:06 DocScrutinizer: just not interested enough :) Jun 20 04:00:26 hi everyone, right now i am trying to flash my device because the kernel was uninstalled and right now it doesnt turns on, i am using the maemo flasher 3.5 and i runed the comand C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5exe –F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin –f -R, and it shows: "flasher-3.exe" isnt recognized as an internal or external comand, program or file for runing lots, i translated it from spanis Jun 20 04:04:30 anyone? Jun 20 04:05:19 rodald, the command line is incorrect ;) Jun 20 04:05:30 flasher-3.5exe <<<< look carefully there Jun 20 04:05:35 you are missing a "." Jun 20 04:05:57 what do i have incorrect ohh i have an extra dot, let me try again, thank you very much Jun 20 04:06:40 * lcuk goes bac to sleep Jun 20 04:08:32 still shows me the same mistake :( X 1000 Jun 20 04:08:57 rodald, do a "dir" in the folder you are in Jun 20 04:09:17 does it show correctly the .exe flasher Jun 20 04:09:47 what its a dir and how do i do it? sorry i dont know that much on this Jun 20 04:09:59 well on the command line now, just type dir Jun 20 04:10:17 and it will list all the contents of that folder Jun 20 04:10:19 ok and then? Jun 20 04:10:50 tell you what - lets start simpler, what does your command line show right now Jun 20 04:10:51 ok now what do i do? Jun 20 04:11:44 mine (on windows xp) starts with "C:\Documents and Settings\Gary>" Jun 20 04:11:49 what does your have.. Jun 20 04:12:02 C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5 Jun 20 04:12:11 ok, type dir and press enter Jun 20 04:12:17 it should list some files Jun 20 04:12:27 tell me what it shows Jun 20 04:12:32 i runed it and it shows the file Jun 20 04:13:35 flasher, help, licences, readme, COMBINED, unins.dat, unins.exe Jun 20 04:13:37 shows what file.. be specific here Jun 20 04:13:47 the name is "flasher" only? Jun 20 04:14:05 flasher-3.5.exe Jun 20 04:14:23 was trying to make it shorter Jun 20 04:14:24 ok, type that in and press enter - no parameters Jun 20 04:14:39 just the flasher-3.5.exe part Jun 20 04:14:45 lets make sure windows can find it and it runs it Jun 20 04:15:27 yes it asks me for permision Jun 20 04:15:42 ok, so its different to when you used the long command line.. Jun 20 04:16:03 yes Jun 20 04:16:06 do you know where you have stored the RX-51 file Jun 20 04:16:18 * lcuk is meant to be sleeping now Jun 20 04:16:55 yes its in the same carpet prgm files,maemo,flasher-3.5 Jun 20 04:17:32 ahh that would be the COMBINED shortening you used ;) Jun 20 04:17:41 correct Jun 20 04:18:00 alright, so enter flasher-3.5.exe and all the parameters as you did before and try again Jun 20 04:18:13 since we know now that windows recognises it if you spell it correctly ;) Jun 20 04:23:52 sorry, i am back my other phone went dead and i am using it as a modem Jun 20 04:24:45 ok so i runed the comand now and it asked for concent to run, i agreed and nothing else happened do i have to wait? Jun 20 04:36:32 right now i runned C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5exe –F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin –f -R, and windows asked for permision for it to run, i agreed and nothing else happend does the flasher or the device show somethin to say its flashing? Jun 20 04:38:38 anyone knows what should i do? Jun 20 04:41:24 flasher was pretty stright forward for me showed it was flashing right in the terminal Jun 20 04:41:48 when I got into the phone how can I get it to come up as the dial pad by default?? Jun 20 04:41:48 it doesnt show anything Jun 20 04:42:04 are you starting up the device corectly? Jun 20 04:42:30 yes pressing the u key and it shows the usb on the corner Jun 20 04:46:49 please refer to instructions in? Jun 20 04:46:56 ~flashing Jun 20 04:46:57 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 20 04:48:48 for windows iirc there's suggested to 'run commad as admin: cmd' Jun 20 04:49:37 this shall give you a terminal window where windows will NOT ask for permission to execute flasher Jun 20 04:51:00 ok let me try that Jun 20 05:02:07 ok did it again as cmd and the same it asks me for permision and then nothing happens, should i be able to see something on the flasher or on the device? Jun 20 05:05:28 i noticed that the i had the command wrong and i fixed it, now when i runned it an other black window poped up and desapeared, am i doing it right? Jun 20 05:11:27 thank you so much to every one that helped me with this i really apreciate it Jun 20 05:15:47 Wouldn't it be cool if there was a phone with a 3d screen like the 3ds Jun 20 05:16:28 not too sure how it would work due common rotating of phones Jun 20 05:18:23 need to get the rotating a little better on the one screen they got imo Jun 20 05:25:16 * DocScrutinizer honestly wonders if >>Open the Command Prompt (Start then Run or Windows Logo key + R) and type cmd then press Enter.<< from http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware is clear enough and correct, for windows users Jun 20 05:25:50 DocScrutinizer: It doesn't matter, someone will fail horribly anyways Jun 20 05:25:58 also the part about admin seems to miss completely Jun 20 05:27:04 I got no product from Redmond here, so I'm sorry but can't check nor suggest a better instruction Jun 20 05:27:08 Hopefully, the users who would fail in epic ways isn't the target market for n900 Jun 20 05:27:34 ooh yes. I forgot. You got a point there Jun 20 05:29:34 probably these were the users that complain like mad about they got no idea what that /etc and /bin and /usr crap in HFM is for and what it means, once we finally get the fsckng libhildonfm2 fixed Jun 20 05:29:43 can I get the dial pad to come up instead of recent calls when I start the phone ? Jun 20 05:30:31 ham5: good call. Tell me if you find out, I'd be interested as well Jun 20 05:31:27 moo all Jun 20 05:32:12 apt-get moo Jun 20 05:33:51 ~moo Jun 20 05:33:52 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Jun 20 05:34:15 dman what a skinny cow Jun 20 05:34:25 damn even Jun 20 05:34:35 _______ Jun 20 05:34:35 < moooo > Jun 20 05:34:36 ------- Jun 20 05:34:37 \ _ Jun 20 05:34:38 \ (_) Jun 20 05:34:40 \ ^__^ / \ Jun 20 05:34:40 \ (oo)\_____/_\ \ Jun 20 05:34:41 (__)\ ) / Jun 20 05:34:42 ||----w (( Jun 20 05:34:43 || ||>> Jun 20 05:34:49 lol Jun 20 05:34:52 that's a dog. Jun 20 05:35:21 cowsay sorry Jun 20 05:35:22 cow Jun 20 05:36:35 ham5: w t f Jun 20 05:37:10 hi Jun 20 05:39:28 now I finilly got it why you better used fixed width font in IRC Jun 20 05:41:25 :) Jun 20 05:41:32 for all the leetness Jun 20 05:43:40 * RST38h cackles satisfied, as he is reading the Nokia gripes thread Jun 20 05:43:59 Pretty much all the oldtimers made their comments Jun 20 05:44:01 wheres that at? Jun 20 05:44:15 you have strange hobbies, gentlemen Jun 20 05:44:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55913 Jun 20 05:45:06 I think povbot should learn to answer tmo URL posts with the topic of the thread Jun 20 05:45:24 true Jun 20 05:45:42 like with bug #420 Jun 20 05:45:43 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420 Request: adding an entire folder of files to audio player playlist Jun 20 05:45:53 Next, we need to teach it autopost our IRC comments back to threads Jun 20 05:45:58 Doc: that is done Jun 20 05:46:04 heh, god beware Jun 20 05:46:21 And, finally, the povbot should be able to participate in tmo discussions on its own =) Jun 20 05:46:46 Shouldn't be difficult, given the average level of intellect there nowadays Jun 20 05:47:04 you know this will inevitably end in povbot echoing the most spammed tmo threads to #maemo? :-O Jun 20 05:47:29 No, I said echo #maemo to tmo, not the vice versa Jun 20 05:47:45 you won't stop halfway Jun 20 05:47:49 Ah, shit: "China pledges to revalue yuan" <=== if you were going to buy some gadget, do it NOW Jun 20 06:04:47 hey guys, can anyone of you tell me how to add single python files to setuptools script? I can add packages but I cant add single files Jun 20 06:11:00 got it, it was "py_modules" Jun 20 06:41:23 ah yes, http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/18/htc-issues-cease-desist-to-hackers-for-cooked-roms.html Jun 20 06:43:42 I wonder what part of the word "selling" they are having trouble understanding. Jun 20 06:45:26 we would technically see those kind of C&D regarding MeeGo trademark though if the device is not meego compliant Jun 20 06:50:59 is portrait mode coming to N900? Jun 20 06:52:10 is everybody sleeping??? Jun 20 06:52:25 Nope. Jun 20 06:53:02 where is voice navigation for ovi maps? Jun 20 06:53:31 I don't think the N900 version has it. Jun 20 06:53:31 dunno, this isn't a nokia support channel Jun 20 06:53:32 :P Jun 20 06:54:27 it's a maemo channel and maemo is on N900 right? Jun 20 06:54:40 yes.. but we don't know of nokia plans Jun 20 06:54:45 rest of the stuff you can google for Jun 20 06:55:20 i cant google right now I'm driving a car Jun 20 06:55:33 yet you can IRC? :P Jun 20 06:55:35 maybe you should not be able to irc right now, too? Jun 20 06:55:57 irc is like texting... it's easier Jun 20 06:56:09 right, not helping you kill people Jun 20 06:56:11 * Stskeeps goes get breakfast Jun 20 06:56:18 I respect a man who stays on the IRC while driving." Jun 20 06:56:40 that's the power of N900 Jun 20 06:56:48 using xchat Jun 20 06:58:53 * RST38h watches a tv report of a 7xx-series BMW hitting an expensive sporty motorcycle last night Jun 20 06:59:35 nice, clean self-liquidation for both drivers Jun 20 07:01:12 anybody know links to watch world cup games on n900. free, i dont wanna pay for nothing Jun 20 07:01:59 titman: irc and watching football while driving ... Jun 20 07:02:14 titman: talk.maemo.org, search there Jun 20 07:02:23 ok Jun 20 07:02:43 it's a long drive for me and it's boring Jun 20 07:04:06 titman, Maybe you should try cooking something in the passenger seat, while texting on the IRC and watching football. Jun 20 07:04:06 titman: driving a BMW by any chance? =) Jun 20 07:05:01 And remember, the faster you drive, the faster you'll get there. Jun 20 07:05:37 yea, the paramedics will be delighted about your arrival Jun 20 07:05:45 i'm driving slow and careful... all this talk about not texting when driving is overblown Jun 20 07:07:43 titman: http://acloserlookatutah.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/grim-reaper.jpg Jun 20 07:08:26 lol... Jun 20 07:08:42 i'm taking a break right now gotta piss Jun 20 07:08:49 hmm, canada Jun 20 07:09:07 titman, That's why cars have windows - don't slow down! Jun 20 07:09:27 love the smell of grass in middle of the night Jun 20 07:10:01 it's so peaceful too, not too many cars on the road right now Jun 20 07:10:10 will you irc with us while pissing? Jun 20 07:10:57 if i would be living in canada i would call the police Jun 20 07:11:09 but because chances of me being there anytime soon are remote Jun 20 07:11:12 you can still call the police Jun 20 07:11:17 and i don't care about other people Jun 20 07:11:31 and when i'll be there you will probably be dead Jun 20 07:11:34 international calls are cheap, call the mounties Jun 20 07:11:53 who thought this would be possible 10 years ago? computers were big ugly boxes Jun 20 07:12:11 now i can drive and irc an do other shit Jun 20 07:12:29 well 10 years ago MIT had SPARCstations in dorm restrooms Jun 20 07:12:34 So, yes, you *could*. Jun 20 07:12:45 you're shitting while driving? Jun 20 07:13:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmTG6pbGBo Jun 20 07:13:45 something for the morning Jun 20 07:13:45 youj guys are mean and nasty. i drive for a living... i dont have the time to sit in front of my fucking ciomputer all day... i irc whenever i can Jun 20 07:14:08 that sounds even worse Jun 20 07:14:44 and you're making fun of this? Jun 20 07:15:08 is that a huge multwheeler you are driving? Jun 20 07:15:47 can I even hope it is a gas tanker? Jun 20 07:15:51 hold on.....cops ahead....brb Jun 20 07:16:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lze88sU9IGg Jun 20 07:17:10 he went to court for that Jun 20 07:17:29 jacekowski: cant click on your link....too much fucking around with a stylus when driving Jun 20 07:17:49 * RST38h vaguely remembers one of these skidding sideways and hitting a row of toll booths somewhere at I85 Jun 20 07:17:52 I95 sorry Jun 20 07:18:29 Taking out toll booths is God's work. Jun 20 07:18:37 more or less, yes Jun 20 07:19:32 going back to my original question: so this is a channel for developers? Jun 20 07:19:47 among other things Jun 20 07:19:57 it's a general channel for the community but we're not your google Jun 20 07:20:00 Jun 20 07:20:20 where are the good apps? right now apple is kicking your asses Jun 20 07:20:29 google. Jun 20 07:20:38 it's like a flight recorder Jun 20 07:20:50 it actually is, once carman is ported Jun 20 07:20:51 last couple minutes of what's happening in his lorry Jun 20 07:21:20 titman: we're not nokia people, you know Jun 20 07:21:38 i know....whats your point? Jun 20 07:22:11 i gotta pull over now Jun 20 07:22:37 His point is that if you are going to complain about Nokia pissing you off, this is the wrong venue for that Jun 20 07:23:39 how do i share shit on irc? if i wanted to show you a pic from my n900 what do i click on in xchat....just got the app still learning it Jun 20 07:26:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722369&postcount=30 - Step to step guide for having 'working' GLES1 on N8x0 Jun 20 07:27:45 good riddance Jun 20 07:28:09 woot thanks Stskeeps, gonna try that Jun 20 07:28:16 it's amazing the way the newbies never stay around long enough to get answers... Jun 20 07:28:37 maybe he's dead Jun 20 07:28:42 wrapped around some tree Jun 20 07:28:53 waste of a good tree Jun 20 07:29:04 one can hope, but it's hard to use a DSL connection while driving Jun 20 07:29:20 ...that's a good point Jun 20 07:30:21 but how stupid you have to be to do it anyways Jun 20 07:30:49 it's worse than talking at the phone as you don't have to look at it every so often Jun 20 07:32:04 i'm pretty sure IRC is even less compatible with driving than texting is Jun 20 07:33:05 autoanswering machine on n900 would be nice Jun 20 07:33:18 and if it could pull current location and speed out of gps Jun 20 07:34:05 hi, whoever you are, i'm on M25 doing 100mph and i can't take your call, if you really need to speak to me press 1 and i'll pull over and call you back Jun 20 07:34:26 i have always wanted an answering machine that can say "i'm in a restaurant [or whatever], press 1 if it's an emergency, otherwise leave a message" Jun 20 07:34:37 (with 1 causing the phone to actually ring) Jun 20 07:34:45 yeah Jun 20 07:35:07 and then the stalker knows how to get to you, jacekowski Jun 20 07:35:14 BCMM: On-phone answering machine ey? Jun 20 07:35:17 yeah, i wouldn't actually make location that available Jun 20 07:35:26 zash: well, that is what jacekowski was talking about Jun 20 07:35:38 do other platforms have on-phone answering machines of any sort? Jun 20 07:35:56 I've seen discussion on that before, back when #openmoko was promising Jun 20 07:35:59 i don't think so Jun 20 07:36:13 and is it technically feasible on maemo, without extra stuff getting open-sourced Jun 20 07:36:13 but it shouldn't be too hard to do on n900 Jun 20 07:36:15 there are on-phone answering machine apps for some platforms Jun 20 07:36:20 symbian definately Jun 20 07:36:37 BCMM: some workarounds, but it's possible Jun 20 07:40:04 heres one that aparently acts like an IVR http://my-symbian.com/s60v3/software/applications.php?faq=1&fldAuto=156 Jun 20 07:53:29 1 Jun 20 07:57:24 * RST38h wonders where that weird guy got FBReader 0.14 from Jun 20 08:00:10 man, those 3d drivers are unstable.. Jun 20 08:00:41 Stskeeps: hah, I read that as "3d printers" Jun 20 08:01:13 * RST38h imagines an unstable 3d printer, creating 3d bodies out of plastite Jun 20 08:05:55 heh, the step to step guide is my 1000th post on tmo Jun 20 08:07:34 Is that something to celebrate or mourn? Jun 20 08:07:53 i'm pondering to retire Jun 20 08:07:53 :P Jun 20 08:10:19 not until you make an obligatory "I have got an iPhone|Android" post Jun 20 08:30:29 soo nitdroid didn't work :p Jun 20 08:31:13 hey chaps Jun 20 08:31:29 moo Jun 20 08:31:36 lardman: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722369&postcount=30 Jun 20 08:32:16 Stskeeps: cool, well done :) Jun 20 08:32:41 lardman: running into some MBX HW recovery issues but hmm Jun 20 08:33:16 caused by the driver not handling the hw correctly? Too much data being pushed at it? HW bug? Jun 20 08:33:29 or answer 4, no-one knows? ;) Jun 20 08:33:30 not sure, but i guess there's some hints in the debug output Jun 20 08:33:56 do you have a copy somewhere? Jun 20 08:34:34 not handy Jun 20 08:35:03 np, will do the install when I have a bit of spare time Jun 20 08:35:14 i can't get OpenVG working which bothers me a bit as i was planning on using it for qt acceleration Jun 20 08:36:03 are these drivers the ones that are supposed to work on this chip? Jun 20 08:36:48 well, it is OMAP24XX Jun 20 08:38:50 yeah, but there are significant differences between e.g. the 2420 and 2430 afaiu Jun 20 08:38:58 I was just wondering Jun 20 08:39:19 mm, good question Jun 20 08:39:56 i guess openvg would be VGP lite? Jun 20 08:41:00 Texas Instruments OMAP 2420—MBX + VGP + FPU (VFP11) + ARM1136 Jun 20 08:41:05 well that I don't know, but I thought the 2420 had better hw inside actually Jun 20 08:41:12 yeah, my thought too Jun 20 08:41:28 or more features at least, but whether the code has been written to use those, rather than the VGP Lite only Ti can know Jun 20 08:42:12 I'm unsure why a later chip has less hw unless the 2420 was a pita to program for the VGP, so they went lite and made it easier? Jun 20 08:42:16 or perhaps a cost thing Jun 20 08:42:26 good question Jun 20 08:43:07 i need a diary app on the n900, something which offers passowrd protection and a global search function, any hints? Jun 20 08:43:29 Stskeeps: so you not fried you gfx hw ? :-D Jun 20 08:43:40 DocScrutinizer: not completely, at least Jun 20 08:43:49 DocScrutinizer: perhaps that's the problem, would work fine for everyone else! ;) Jun 20 08:44:55 actually it's not completely impossible to let the magic blue smoke out of some function block of SoC Jun 20 08:48:14 lardman: (cost thing) quite likely. Imagine they got poor yield due to complex chip design Jun 20 08:49:04 or couldn't rise clock without dropping a few critical blocks Jun 20 08:50:16 sometimes features even turn out to do no good and just eat silicon real estate and power Jun 20 08:50:34 yep Jun 20 08:50:44 * DocScrutinizer mumble "glamo" Jun 20 08:50:57 the clock thing sounds familiar even with the linked CPU/DSP clocks Jun 20 08:51:03 ~glamo Jun 20 08:51:13 i guess glamo is http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster, or http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/000114.html Jun 20 08:51:43 what's the name of that app which sits in the task bar and tells you your camera shutter is open? Jun 20 08:51:58 and while I'm at it, can I capture the hw shutter release button? Jun 20 08:52:19 probably one of whole history's worst 'improvements' over the predecessor device Jun 20 08:53:13 lardman: capture what? Jun 20 08:53:24 as in in code, I want to use the keypress Jun 20 08:53:40 does it come in as a normal keypress or is it removed from the stack earlier Jun 20 08:53:49 dunno Jun 20 08:53:56 i wonder if the PVR2D apis are valuable for anyone Jun 20 08:53:57 d-bus will have it Jun 20 08:54:19 also there's a sysnode with the state Jun 20 08:55:08 * alterego yawns Jun 20 08:55:19 * DocScrutinizer yawns back Jun 20 08:55:34 ~xyawn Jun 20 08:55:35 from memory, xyawn is strong coffee Jun 20 08:55:51 :-D Jun 20 08:55:57 ~botsnack Jun 20 08:55:58 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Jun 20 08:59:09 I don't understand how people can moan about or repos ... Jun 20 08:59:10 ah, "Lens Cover Reminder" was the one Jun 20 09:05:55 bbiab, need to start the dreaded Windows for my wife to use Jun 20 09:10:39 I wonder if this move to device series like 'N9' means that the hardware line will be much more inline. Kind of like the iphones, might help Nokia keeping older generation "tablets" up-to-date with firmware. Jun 20 09:17:39 I think I'm going to delete myself from a few mailing lists, it's so hard keeping up to date with all the crap. Jun 20 09:25:23 can I get the dial pad to come up instead of recent calls when I start the phone ? Jun 20 09:32:47 ham5: how do you normally start the phone? Mine goes straight to dial pad but that's just because that's how I launch it :) Jun 20 09:33:08 how do you launch it? Jun 20 09:33:31 short cut on my desktop or the menu from the power button Jun 20 09:33:34 is how I do it Jun 20 09:33:50 I just start typing in a number. Jun 20 09:35:03 if your keyboad is out, just hold down one of the keys with a number on it. Jun 20 09:35:25 Oh wait, that doesn't work. Jun 20 09:35:29 mmm no Jun 20 09:35:35 You need to press Fn first :) Jun 20 09:36:22 ok thats kinda close Jun 20 09:36:41 now how can I get it to pop up just by launching phone? :) Jun 20 09:38:34 YA seperate shortcut, Jun 20 09:38:48 Or you could be cheaky and edit the normal phone ui one. Jun 20 09:39:38 There's a dbus command you can use to show it. Jun 20 09:48:30 to bad im not linus torvalds Jun 20 09:48:56 like yourself Jun 20 09:51:14 Well, if you give me a moment, I could try making the button from the power menu do that? Jun 20 09:51:20 Would that help you? Jun 20 09:51:48 making it? Jun 20 09:51:53 you dont have to do all that Jun 20 09:52:18 It's not as hard as it sounds ;) Jun 20 09:52:37 Seriously, if you want it I can show you how :P Jun 20 09:52:42 if some one picks up my phone and wants to call I just dont want my recent calls showing up Jun 20 09:52:43 u know Jun 20 09:53:27 Yeah Jun 20 09:53:54 anybody knows how to search a pattern in hexedit? Jun 20 09:54:29 crtl + f ? Jun 20 09:55:16 nm... Jun 20 09:55:17 Ctrl-S: search forward Jun 20 09:55:17 Ctrl-R: search backward Jun 20 09:57:50 thats a bit annoying yea ham5 Jun 20 09:58:05 was also thinking about that.. everytime they see the whole call list :p Jun 20 09:59:08 got that wiki up yet alterego? ;) Jun 20 10:15:56 ham5: so... Jun 20 10:16:06 on average, if you've used your n900 for a while Jun 20 10:16:13 how often do you expect to manually enter a phone number? Jun 20 10:16:30 the n900 ui designers estimated that on average it'd be a rare task Jun 20 10:16:48 they believe that you're *much* more likely to call people from your contacts or your recent call history Jun 20 10:17:00 now, with a classic rotary phone, there was no question Jun 20 10:17:14 obviously when you picked up the receiver, you would either: Jun 20 10:17:18 I regularly use the call ui to enter in a phone number. Jun 20 10:17:21 1. talk to the operator and ask them to connect you Jun 20 10:17:43 2. slowly spin the rotary dial until you entered sufficient numbers to dial someone Jun 20 10:17:57 alterego: does your n900 know those numbers? Jun 20 10:18:02 Nope Jun 20 10:18:14 It's a taxi firm, I can't be bothered to enter into my contacts :) Jun 20 10:18:40 is it the *same* firm? Jun 20 10:18:51 Mostly, yes :) Jun 20 10:18:58 so your phone does know the number Jun 20 10:19:02 i.e. it's in your call log Jun 20 10:19:07 Yes, I guess it is. Jun 20 10:19:15 ... Jun 20 10:19:19 the designers aren't wrong Jun 20 10:19:21 you're just stubborn Jun 20 10:19:22 next? Jun 20 10:19:26 But it'd get dropped down pretty quickly as it's only every few days. Jun 20 10:19:45 alterego: scroll down, then? :P Jun 20 10:20:00 I'm not knocking the designers, I'm just saying, we can do it, so why not? Jun 20 10:20:01 well, the fact is that you could *trivially* name the contact 'taxi' Jun 20 10:23:09 i find whenever i try calling someone by phone number Jun 20 10:23:10 Is there a way to somehow refresh the power menu without restarting the device? Jun 20 10:23:15 my n900 says "you're calling <...>" Jun 20 10:23:23 and i'm like, doh, why did i waste my time entering the number? Jun 20 10:23:32 :) Jun 20 10:23:35 alterego: afaik you tend to need to kill apps to do that Jun 20 10:23:42 Hrm .. Jun 20 10:23:52 it's generally one Jun 20 10:23:59 my localization doesn't currently kill that menu Jun 20 10:25:34 pkill systemui does the trick :) Jun 20 10:25:51 * timeless_mbp considers adding it to the kill list Jun 20 10:26:10 i currently kill 3 or 4 processes Jun 20 10:26:10 What kill list? :P Jun 20 10:26:11 whats the 'u' key on an n800? I need to reflash mine Jun 20 10:26:45 kkal: It should automatically detect the flasher when it's starting up with USB plugged in, otherwise, it's the home button I believe. Jun 20 10:28:11 On N900 it works at least so that you take out the battery, start flasher, plug the usb in to a device, insert the battery. Jun 20 10:28:26 worth trying out Jun 20 10:29:28 worldcloc image-viewer hildon-desktop hildon-status-menu hildon-home mediaplayer Jun 20 10:29:34 is my current list of victims Jun 20 10:30:43 timeless_mbp: how much are you familiar with hildon-desktop's workings? Jun 20 10:30:51 hmph... That was quick Jun 20 10:30:54 alterego: thanks Jun 20 10:30:57 Venemo: i know quirks Jun 20 10:31:00 workings don't interest me Jun 20 10:31:10 timeless_mbp: quirks is what I want :) Jun 20 10:31:15 try me Jun 20 10:31:30 ham5: done it Jun 20 10:31:37 timeless_mbp: what is the most effective way of knowing which is the currently active homescreen? Jun 20 10:32:04 ? Jun 20 10:32:09 ham5: http://pastie.org/1012217 Jun 20 10:32:09 Venemo: my guess is it's either in a dot-file or in a gconf bit Jun 20 10:32:14 timeless_mbp: so far, I know it can be found in a gconf entry and I can receive gconf callbacks for it Jun 20 10:32:14 i'd use strace to figure it out Jun 20 10:32:24 Make sure you backup the current callui.xml file before you put that in. Jun 20 10:32:26 timeless_mbp: however, it is vastly undocumented Jun 20 10:32:52 ham5: it changes the "Phone" button in the power menu to open the dial pad instead of call history. Jun 20 10:33:11 timeless_mbp: normally, when I swipe between desktops, firstly it changes gconf, calls the gconf callbacks, and then sets the _HILDON_APPLET_ON_CURRENT_DESKTOP property for the widgets Jun 20 10:33:20 I'm going to add an icon now .. Jun 20 10:33:31 ok.. Jun 20 10:33:33 and? Jun 20 10:34:02 timeless_mbp: there is a corner case when this is not the case Jun 20 10:34:10 heh Jun 20 10:34:14 if i turn off desktops? Jun 20 10:34:27 timeless_mbp: when in edit mode and the user drags a widget to the next screen (but only after the user dragged it on the current one), this order is not the same Jun 20 10:34:39 brilliant Jun 20 10:35:06 timeless_mbp: therefore, it becomes quite hacky to determine which homescreen a widget is currently on Jun 20 10:35:24 timeless_mbp: this is why I asked you if you know a more effective way around it :) Jun 20 10:35:41 not offhand Jun 20 10:35:52 i presume you've done the standard gconf / dbus snooping Jun 20 10:35:57 i'd file a bug Jun 20 10:36:13 timeless_mbp: well, dbus sends no signals when homescreens change Jun 20 10:36:36 gconf callbacks, whatever ) Jun 20 10:36:47 timeless_mbp: yes, that is what are buggy Jun 20 10:37:08 for swipe, it sets the property first? Jun 20 10:37:20 timeless_mbp: yes, for a regular swipe Jun 20 10:37:44 timeless_mbp: sorry, quite the opposite Jun 20 10:37:56 edit-drag, sorry Jun 20 10:38:01 timeless_mbp: so, for a normal swipe, it first calls the callback Jun 20 10:38:08 timeless_mbp: in edit-drag, it first sets the property Jun 20 10:38:18 file a bug Jun 20 10:38:47 timeless_mbp: I guess there must be a more regular way to ask for the current homescreen number other than gconf Jun 20 10:39:00 nah, this is maemo :) Jun 20 10:39:19 timeless_mbp: isn't there some sort of an X property or something like that which lets me do this? Jun 20 10:40:27 _NET_WORKAREA ? Jun 20 10:40:33 Venemo: i don't know offhand Jun 20 10:40:38 i work on the browser Jun 20 10:40:39 no, wait Jun 20 10:40:44 that's something else Jun 20 10:40:55 timeless_mbp: okay, thanks Jun 20 10:41:12 Venemo: i haven't needed to worry about this quirk Jun 20 10:41:16 but please file a bug Jun 20 10:41:35 timeless_mbp: will do, but I don't see any chance of it being resolved anytime soon :P Jun 20 10:41:46 _NET_DESKTOP_VIEWPORT Jun 20 10:42:02 timeless_mbp: do you know someone who knows better? Jun 20 10:42:14 timeless_mbp: I found this: http://maemo.gitorious.com/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/mb/hd-atoms.c Jun 20 10:42:43 Venemo: so you're having issues now with moving them between home views? Jun 20 10:43:03 Venemo: file a bug, once you do, i'll see if i can find someone who can poke it Jun 20 10:43:27 alterego: well, I solved it with a hack, but I don't really like hacks... Jun 20 10:43:37 Hacks are fine, this is maemo! :P Jun 20 10:43:44 zash: I'm sorry, did you write that one for me? Jun 20 10:44:06 alterego: hehe! Jun 20 10:44:24 timeless_mbp: thanks for that Jun 20 10:44:38 Venemo: _NET_DESKTOP_VIEWPORT seems to specify offset of the virtual desktop .. on gnome Jun 20 10:44:49 Venemo: gnome/compiz Jun 20 10:45:07 timeless_mbp: however, I think there may be a way to directly ask X Jun 20 10:45:12 zash: well, I can try Jun 20 10:45:17 zash: thanks Jun 20 10:45:37 Venemo: i tried `xprop -root > $vd_number` and the only diff is that Jun 20 10:46:08 zash: does this work in Hildon, too? Jun 20 10:47:20 Venemo: you can install xprop on maemo Jun 20 10:47:22 i've done it Jun 20 10:47:26 it's definitely worth doing Jun 20 10:47:37 Venemo: I hope so Jun 20 10:47:39 timeless_mbp: how can I install that? Jun 20 10:47:39 no clue if the hint applies to maemo Jun 20 10:47:58 timeless_mbp: is it in one of the maemo repos? Jun 20 10:48:06 "A Pager can request to change the viewport for the current desktop by sending a _NET_DESKTOP_VIEWPORT client message to the root window" Jun 20 10:48:14 hopefully in tools Jun 20 10:48:26 * zash gets google hits on standards.fdo Jun 20 10:48:41 timeless_mbp: hm, I haven't used that one, yet Jun 20 10:48:42 zash: standards…. we don't believe in those :) Jun 20 10:48:56 zash: okay, will test it out Jun 20 10:50:00 this (should be) why maemo is(?) great, if generetic gnu/linux/x11/etc knowledge applies :) Jun 20 10:52:31 zash: it seems to be not working :( Jun 20 10:52:49 or that I'm calling it in a wrong way Jun 20 10:53:28 :( Jun 20 10:53:36 zash: can I PM you? Jun 20 10:53:36 could someone please paste the output of md5sum /usr/lib/libhildonfm.so.2.0.0 (preferably 1.1.1, but 1.2 maybe also fine) Jun 20 10:56:44 from here: http://maemo.gitorious.com/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/mb/hd-atoms.c Jun 20 10:56:58 I would guess that _HILDON_HOME_VIEW would do something like this Jun 20 10:57:01 DocScrutinizer b8146809534a8c5eded2903e7857c113 (1.2) Jun 20 10:57:12 thanks Jun 20 10:57:14 but I haven't found anything for that on google Jun 20 10:58:03 Venemo: if you do `xprop -root > a` in a terminal and move around viewports, outputing into diffrent files and then compare them Jun 20 10:58:20 zash: okay, but how do I get xprop to the N900? Jun 20 10:58:39 zash: I'm sorry, but I'm quite new to the world of Linux :( Jun 20 10:58:43 MohammadAG51: ping Jun 20 10:59:09 Venemo: i would try terminal → apt-cache search xprop Jun 20 10:59:49 In Ubuntu (and most likley Debian and -based distros) it's in x11-utils Jun 20 11:00:40 zash: apt-cache search xprop ->outputs nothing Jun 20 11:01:48 then i have no idea Jun 20 11:06:21 I was looking for it the other day, there isn't a maemo package for it and as I don't have scratchbox setup I couldn't compile it myself. Jun 20 11:06:37 Oh, tried compiling it with mad, didn't work and I couldn't be bothered to figure out what was missing :P Jun 20 11:06:38 :( Jun 20 11:07:14 Venemo: what did you need it for? Jun 20 11:07:36 To check X11 properties on the root window to see if there's a way of knowing which home view you're looking at. Jun 20 11:07:42 Or is currently active. Jun 20 11:09:05 zash: as alterego said Jun 20 11:09:56 timeless_mbp: here you go: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10725 Jun 20 11:09:57 Bug 10725: Hildon calls gconf callbacks late when moving widgets to another desktop Jun 20 11:10:15 povbot: yes, I filed it in this minute :) Jun 20 11:10:16 Venemo: Error: "yes," is not a valid command. Jun 20 11:11:21 Venemo: I think it saw your url :) Jun 20 11:11:36 zash: what is povbot? Jun 20 11:11:41 a bot. Jun 20 11:11:54 Myrtti: obvously, but what does it do? Jun 20 11:11:56 povbot Jun 20 11:11:56 * alterego starts working on his update UI Jun 20 11:12:07 This time I'm gonna do it in C++, python+PySide is too slow for my liking :( Jun 20 11:12:37 Venemo: gives links and descriptions to bugs on bmo Jun 20 11:12:41 Venemo: bug #123 Jun 20 11:12:42 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar Jun 20 11:12:46 bug #862 Jun 20 11:12:47 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=862 Not all of HildonAppView is marked as deprecated Jun 20 11:12:52 bug #9999 Jun 20 11:12:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9999 Tap & Hold menu disappears before an item can be selected Jun 20 11:13:18 attachment #123 Jun 20 11:13:18 lol... :D Jun 20 11:13:20 Attachment https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=123&action=edit patch, hildon-fm_enums_types.patch, hildon-fm_enums_types.patch Jun 20 11:13:30 awesome Jun 20 11:13:40 bug #-1 Jun 20 11:13:40 ~burn Venemo Jun 20 11:13:42 * infobot pours gasoline all over Venemo, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Jun 20 11:13:45 :( Jun 20 11:14:03 ~lart infobot Jun 20 11:14:04 * infobot holds zash to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails Jun 20 11:14:09 meh Jun 20 11:16:20 LOOL Jun 20 11:28:27 infobot, ping Jun 20 11:28:28 ~pong Jun 20 11:31:27 Funny how adding one feature can radically fuck up your UI design :( Jun 20 11:31:38 I think I'm going to have to rethink it quite substantially. Jun 20 11:31:53 never did get that to work Jun 20 11:33:12 I had a different argument line I tried putting that back, with just the method changed. Nothing happened when I clicked on the phone button Jun 20 11:37:55 infobot, ping Jun 20 11:37:56 ~pong Jun 20 11:41:24 alterego: what sort of app are you working on? Jun 20 11:41:39 Updating my "Media IM Status Updater" app. Jun 20 11:41:44 oh. Jun 20 11:41:53 and what is this shiny new feature? :) Jun 20 11:42:05 Want to make it feature complete before I move onto my next project, so I said I'd add support for internet radio and movies Jun 20 11:42:29 nice Jun 20 11:42:35 and what is the next project? :) Jun 20 11:42:48 I don't know :) Jun 20 11:43:02 ah, I have plenty of ideas :P Jun 20 11:43:02 I'm going to start helping with the application downloader I think Jun 20 11:43:11 application donwloader? Jun 20 11:43:29 what's that? Jun 20 11:43:31 Yeah, it's an alternative to HAM, hopefully adding things like voting for testers etc. Jun 20 11:43:41 oh. Jun 20 11:43:46 why not update HAM itself? Jun 20 11:43:55 isn't it open source? Jun 20 11:43:57 So it'll be a more complete application downloader, with screenshots for applications and things like that. Jun 20 11:44:07 HAM is, but there are things it relies on that apparently are not. Jun 20 11:44:17 I'm sure the was good reason to start from scratch :) Jun 20 11:44:22 then what? Jun 20 11:44:30 I would prefer to update that, anyway Jun 20 11:44:42 that would benefit everyone Jun 20 11:45:02 I don't see why this wouldn't benifit everyone? :P Jun 20 11:47:54 well, I don't like having multiple apps for the same purpose Jun 20 11:48:06 hm Jun 20 11:48:18 Think of it as a better replacement as we're not going to have anything better for m5 Jun 20 11:48:50 well, that one is true, however it would still be nice if they would accept contributions to HAM Jun 20 11:48:56 nah, another question Jun 20 11:49:37 We have to maintain m5 ourselves, we can't really rely on Nokia making it what it should be. Jun 20 11:49:53 how do I create a small contact list plug-in? Jun 20 11:49:58 Not unless MeeGo, with the reference UX is something extremely special on its' own. Jun 20 11:50:22 I would like to add a field to the contacts Jun 20 11:52:39 is that possible with QtMobility? Jun 20 11:53:32 brb Jun 20 12:08:06 well, that one is true, however it would still be nice if they would accept contributions to HAM Jun 20 12:08:20 someone said the icons were a patch by Jebba (I think) Jun 20 12:08:45 yes Jun 20 12:09:06 err was it jebba Jun 20 12:10:11 lol... A keylogger in maemo devel? Jun 20 12:11:17 I usually get confused by Jebba and Jaffa, so excuse me if I got that wrong :P Jun 20 12:13:22 MohammadAG51: agreed Jun 20 12:14:29 crashanddie, name? Jun 20 12:14:51 MohammadAG51: nha, just some plonker spread FUD on tmo Jun 20 12:15:01 MohammadAG51: I played a lttle with MYDOCSDIR, it seems completely braindamaged and broken. if you extend it MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM then icon and name change in HFM, but you are _still_same_directory_ :-/ . When you make it shorter MYDOCSDIR=/home/user then the N900 entry vanishes completely. I patched the lib to s/files:/file:/ and this got me d-bus error and rather weird breakdown of every running app on system, even after restoring Jun 20 12:15:02 original libhildonfm2. Needed 2 reboots to fix. Strace shows absolutely nothing except the getenv is different :-S Jun 20 12:16:46 o.O Jun 20 12:17:38 what's the use of an env that only breaks things when set to a non-default value?? Jun 20 12:19:02 ~libhildonfm2 Jun 20 12:19:04 i guess libhildonfm2 is a piece of sh*t Jun 20 12:19:33 so, again, is there an example of how to add a new field to the contacts app? Jun 20 12:20:06 err, click 'add field' button? Jun 20 12:20:15 Venemo: think you might need to look at evolution a bit. Jun 20 12:20:22 DocScrutinizer: lol... no comment... Jun 20 12:20:51 DocScrutinizer: I'd like to create an app that adds a new filed that users can add to their contacts... Jun 20 12:21:04 a new field* Jun 20 12:21:16 alterego: evolution? Jun 20 12:21:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56674 <- wtf Jun 20 12:21:59 Venemo: so you want a new field in the list of new fields? Jun 20 12:22:04 I want to make a repository for applications Jun 20 12:22:10 Venemo: evolution is the backend for calendar andcontacts Jun 20 12:22:30 possible ? Jun 20 12:22:44 My_PeSePe: yes, it is Jun 20 12:22:47 My_PeSePe: yes, though what's wrong with extras? Jun 20 12:22:55 alterego: okay, is there an example that you can show me? Jun 20 12:22:57 Venemo: I bet that won't work. As most probably the fields are hardcoded at least in the contacts GUI Jun 20 12:23:04 Venemo: not really no :P Jun 20 12:23:07 is for my page Jun 20 12:23:32 tbh I really hate having a shitload of repos on an embedded device Jun 20 12:23:52 and a personal repo is sometimes more dangerous than devel Jun 20 12:24:02 is possible Venemo Jun 20 12:24:05 DocScrutinizer: okay, then how does every IM plugin add their own field? Jun 20 12:24:21 Venemo: those fields are defined in evolution already. Jun 20 12:24:50 ooh, they do? ok then obviously I don't know how they do, as I'd have told you if I had... Jun 20 12:24:50 Venemo, check the telepathy api and the plugin sources Jun 20 12:25:04 alterego: so, both "MSN", "MSN (Haze)", "MSN (Pecan)" are pre-defined along with every other possible sevice name? Jun 20 12:25:06 Telepathy has nothing to do with evolution Jun 20 12:25:11 alterego: I don't buy that Jun 20 12:25:19 Evolution is for Mail afaik Jun 20 12:25:22 Venemo: no, just msn_1, msn_2, msn_3 ... msn_7 Jun 20 12:25:24 Telepathy is for IM Jun 20 12:25:47 alterego: could you elaborate more? Jun 20 12:25:52 is possible make a repository for my page ? Jun 20 12:26:06 * MohammadAG facepalms Jun 20 12:26:07 Telelpathy has no interaction what-so-ever with evolution, the Conversations application bridges data from Telepathy and Evolution to show you meaningful contact names etc. Jun 20 12:26:32 So, ignore telepathy :) Jun 20 12:26:33 alterego, so the Contacts app is evolution? Jun 20 12:26:47 (or based on it) Jun 20 12:26:50 i have a one page and I would like to make a repository Jun 20 12:26:54 MohammadAG: it uses evolution to get contact information for telepathy sessions Jun 20 12:26:58 so-to-speak :) Jun 20 12:27:19 evolution is just a database, telepathy is used for IM, SMS and phone calls. Jun 20 12:27:21 My_PeSePe, you got two answers, do I need to quote them and give you a 3rd one? Jun 20 12:27:23 My_PeSePe: you can do that the same way you would create a debian repository... I can't tell you more as I don't know more about the subject Jun 20 12:27:29 The Conversations application uses both, obviously :) Jun 20 12:27:53 My_PeSePe: we don't recommend it, use extras Jun 20 12:28:02 changed the source of http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmrdsnotify/ and updated it, if anyone gives a crap :) Jun 20 12:28:48 :) Jun 20 12:28:59 this is my page www.phonesfera.com y a like a make repository in www.repositorios.phonesfera.com Jun 20 12:29:12 We got you the first time Jun 20 12:29:19 and the second time Jun 20 12:29:26 My_PeSePe: we know what you want to do, we just don't think it's a good idea. Jun 20 12:29:29 alterego: you didn't answer my last question Jun 20 12:29:53 Venemo: you want me to elaborate? Jun 20 12:29:59 On what exactlyD? :) Jun 20 12:30:03 ok thanks Jun 20 12:30:26 crashanddie, "Here's something. if you find a keylogger in any app in the repo, I'll give you $50" <-- I'm tempted to upload one to -devel, Jun 20 12:30:35 Heh Jun 20 12:30:44 alterego: so, the name of every possible IM service is hard-coded? Jun 20 12:30:45 MohammadAG: the date is fixing, obviously Jun 20 12:30:50 alterego: or what? Jun 20 12:31:00 crashanddie, you didn't specify one, ha! Jun 20 12:31:14 Venemo: no, not every one. I'm attempting to find out, now, if it's posible to add "free-form" fields to a contact, just bare with me. Jun 20 12:31:19 MohammadAG: I'm the one paying out, I can specify whatever i want Jun 20 12:31:31 Venemo: I was just describing how IM/Telepathy & Evolution works, Jun 20 12:31:40 alterego: okay Jun 20 12:32:25 * DocScrutinizer installs a keylogger to crashanddie's N900 Jun 20 12:32:33 DocScrutinizer: goodluckwiththat Jun 20 12:32:43 crashanddie, he doesn't need it Jun 20 12:32:52 we get you all :-) Jun 20 12:33:08 ~burn DocScrutinizer Jun 20 12:33:09 * infobot pours gasoline all over DocScrutinizer, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Jun 20 12:33:12 I have a camera set up viewing him. Who needs a keylogger? Jun 20 12:33:22 Termana: lol Jun 20 12:33:28 Termana: am i lying down or sitting? Jun 20 12:33:46 neither, you're levitating Jun 20 12:34:00 You have something covering the camera at the moment Jun 20 12:34:03 :D Jun 20 12:34:09 Venemo: here's a little insight: http://library.gnome.org/devel/libebook/stable/EContact.html#EContact.properties Jun 20 12:34:09 Termana: did I shave this morning or yesterday? Jun 20 12:34:19 the day before Jun 20 12:34:23 Termana: don't disclose why frontcam is so crappy. We'll fix that issue with the concurrent access soonish :-P Jun 20 12:34:47 MohammadAG: actually, I haven't shaven in over a month Jun 20 12:34:52 :P Jun 20 12:35:14 crashanddie, I didn't specify the month :D Jun 20 12:35:25 alterego: so, if I would invent my own IM service tomorrow, it would be impossible for me to write a plugin for it, unless hard-coded in this stuff? Jun 20 12:35:39 MohammadAG: your response wasn't generic enough, you're wrong either way Jun 20 12:35:53 Venemo: I think so, I don't know off-hand Jun 20 12:35:53 ~lart crashanddie Jun 20 12:35:54 * infobot beats crashanddie over the head with a microkernel Jun 20 12:36:07 ~seen noobmonk3y Jun 20 12:36:08 Venemo: actually, if you were to invent your own IM service, you'd be broke before you could actually write the client for the N900. Jun 20 12:36:11 ouch, that hurts Jun 20 12:36:12 noobmonk3y <~c2b06924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.176.105.36> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 34m 15s ago, saying: 'its an app that needs to be used after you've screwed up your n900 normally'. Jun 20 12:36:12 ~rape MohammadAG Jun 20 12:36:13 * infobot takes MohammadAG behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jun 20 12:37:19 Yay! infobot is raping for me again! Jun 20 12:37:32 Venemo: I think it's based on the vcard format or something, not sure. Jun 20 12:37:36 I still don't get how someone can be raped by a female... Jun 20 12:37:48 crashdaddie: I'm investigating a way to add an own field to the contacts UI Jun 20 12:37:51 crashanddie: sure, I fixed it for you Jun 20 12:37:58 MohammadAG: SEXIST! Jun 20 12:38:03 :D Jun 20 12:38:12 Me? NEVAR! Jun 20 12:38:37 I'm only racist towards australians who moved to france Jun 20 12:38:40 Venemo: there's also a function 'e_book_get_supported_fields' that is probably applicable too .. Jun 20 12:38:50 MohammadAG: wait till you meet London dykes Jun 20 12:39:04 alterego: so, this is basically impossible? Jun 20 12:39:32 lol Jun 20 12:39:46 * MohammadAG suggests that crashanddie gets suspended Jun 20 12:39:49 for racism Jun 20 12:39:59 Venemo: seems that way yes :/ Jun 20 12:40:07 me, racist? Jun 20 12:40:17 Always been Jun 20 12:40:26 I'm probably more informed about race than most Jun 20 12:40:52 alterego: and what about the Qt Mobility API? It seems that is has some fields that are not on the list you linked Jun 20 12:40:55 yeah, you saw the moon whistling too Jun 20 12:40:59 yeah all those races, in d-bus and kernel and who knows where else Jun 20 12:41:23 and he hates aliens, evidently Jun 20 12:41:50 he denies the existence of UFOs Jun 20 12:42:08 tztztzzzz Jun 20 12:42:12 alterego: that is unfortunate... :( Jun 20 12:42:34 Venemo: no idea, not looked at the QtMobility API for contacts Jun 20 12:42:35 Is it me, or is the importer down again Jun 20 12:42:54 Venemo: ask #qt? maybe #qt-mobility if it exists? :) Jun 20 12:42:58 crashanddie: When something is in flight and you don't know what it is, what do you call it? Jun 20 12:43:09 Sounds like an Unidentified Flying Object to me Jun 20 12:43:09 Termana: super man Jun 20 12:43:22 Termana: Right. Jun 20 12:43:47 Termana: But the question 'Do you believe in UFOs' Does not mean what it literally says in the mind of most questioners. Jun 20 12:43:50 alterego: there are 2 people on #qt-mobility :P Jun 20 12:43:56 Hah Jun 20 12:44:03 Termana: please don't attack me based on what the village idiots in this channel said Jun 20 12:44:06 Venemo: chanserv and you? Jun 20 12:45:19 alterego, no 2 people who don't respont and me :P Jun 20 12:45:25 crashanddie, see? you're being racist Jun 20 12:45:42 MohammadAG: "village idiot" has no bearing on race Jun 20 12:46:15 Termana: I do understand the definition of UFO, and yes, by definition, if you can not identify a flying object, it is a UFO. But so is a Boeing 737 or Airbus a-380 when seen through clouds at a gazillion miles with a reflection lens. However, claiming that any and all UFO you might see are proof there is alien life is a complete and utter travesty of intelligence Jun 20 12:46:15 what a saddening list of var defs. that's really unfortunate - I always preferred a struct field.type, .name, .value, .sortpos Jun 20 12:47:02 * MohammadAG hates C++/Qt Jun 20 12:47:15 MohammadAG: why is that? Jun 20 12:47:24 * lcuk ponders open/accessible/hackable/distributable source license Jun 20 12:47:29 Looks hard to read for the average newbie :P Jun 20 12:47:50 ive had enough of all this extra crap and restrictions on openness Jun 20 12:48:03 oh, hello everyone \o Jun 20 12:48:11 hiya lcuk Jun 20 12:48:17 how's your sunday going? Jun 20 12:48:28 great - just been fixing jakes bike Jun 20 12:48:38 MohammadAG: well, C++ is not for the faint of heart Jun 20 12:48:39 what was wrong with it? Jun 20 12:48:46 Venemo: pardon me? Jun 20 12:48:55 and came back to see lots of mails and posts and things about open restrictions Jun 20 12:49:00 Venemo: C++ is piss easy, ASM, now there's something that you can't smear to any dimwit Jun 20 12:49:08 crashanddie, stabiliser adjustment Jun 20 12:49:32 asm is easy too if you can break down problems into small enough chunks Jun 20 12:49:34 crashanddie: it is easy indeed, but not for beginners Jun 20 12:50:05 MohammadAG, hate is a strong word Jun 20 12:50:09 lcuk: writing code, loving father and husband, maemo inspirer, bike repairman, is there anything you can't do, oh lcuk, hallowed be thy name. Jun 20 12:50:41 :D Jun 20 12:51:12 Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering, I sense much fear in you MohammadAG Jun 20 12:51:47 lcuk: stop looking at him when he's in the shower then :P Jun 20 12:51:50 oh jeez - now he fell off bike Jun 20 12:51:50 I like ASM better Jun 20 12:51:57 much better Jun 20 12:52:20 :( now hes screaming at top of voice :( Jun 20 12:52:38 * lcuk is supping brew waiting for him to chillax Jun 20 12:53:24 crashanddie, how is sms searchr coming? Jun 20 12:54:05 Hi, how can I get contacts from Otlook to n900? Jun 20 12:54:39 lcuk: backburner Jun 20 12:54:50 lcuk: haven't had the time to mess with Qt, started a new idea Jun 20 12:56:21 Af'noon Jun 20 12:56:28 yo Jaffa \o Jun 20 12:56:36 does n900 have iotop? Jun 20 12:56:50 jaffa, you are a motherf*cker aren't you? ie happy fathers day! :D Jun 20 12:57:03 pupnik: there is a package with it Jun 20 12:57:16 same to all others too :D Jun 20 12:57:42 heh, happy fater's day to all Jun 20 12:58:29 i have an uber cool personalised cup with full instructions on making my perfect brew Jun 20 12:58:33 * ptl just argued with two jehova's witnesses that went to his door Jun 20 12:58:44 a good day to think about the responsibilities of fatherhood Jun 20 12:58:55 ptl: were they telling you to buy an iPhone? Jun 20 12:59:12 pupnik, usually its best to consider those BEFORE you become a father Jun 20 12:59:19 Heh Jun 20 12:59:49 crashanddie, whats the new project o_O Jun 20 13:00:01 alterego: you can say they were doing the bronze age people equivalent of that Jun 20 13:00:12 lcuk: http://www.segfault.free.fr/board2.html Jun 20 13:00:20 * lcuk nods Jun 20 13:00:33 are you discussing this with the miniature developers ? Jun 20 13:00:44 to ensure compatability and avoiding duplication of effort Jun 20 13:01:41 pupnik: besides iotop, I found nethogs to be very useful on my N900 too Jun 20 13:01:48 guys, I'm leaving now Jun 20 13:01:53 have a good day Jun 20 13:03:16 lcuk: heh, thanks :) Jun 20 13:03:44 crashanddie, your chessboard does not think en passant moves are legal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_passant Jun 20 13:04:00 Heh Jun 20 13:04:01 (noted after dneary and co spotted it after someone thought it was a bug) Jun 20 13:04:46 190 downloads in under a day, that's not bad :) Jun 20 13:05:00 I wonder how many of them uninstalled it straight away :) Jun 20 13:06:10 hey Jun 20 13:06:27 alterego, so what is your app Jun 20 13:07:15 lcuk: yeah, nor the rockade, and other moves Jun 20 13:07:19 lcuk: haven't added them all yet Jun 20 13:07:30 lcuk: also doesn't allow pawn promotion Jun 20 13:07:53 pawns need promoting - someo f them work hard acting as cannon fodder Jun 20 13:08:04 lcuk: but I just hacked it in an afternoon, so I'm not too depressed Jun 20 13:08:05 MohammadAG, it's so hot here, how is it in Jer? Jun 20 13:08:11 sure, it works well Jun 20 13:08:21 ZogG, where are you Jun 20 13:08:21 pawns? Jun 20 13:08:26 lcuk, TLV Jun 20 13:08:34 Tel-Aviv Jun 20 13:08:36 * lcuk nods Jun 20 13:08:39 ZogG: it's pretty hot, he's dodgy rockets and all Jun 20 13:08:47 ZogG: and stones, they're throwing stones again Jun 20 13:08:47 =) Jun 20 13:09:03 crashanddie, it's all made 'cause of love Jun 20 13:09:15 this is a computer chan, leave anything else at the door Jun 20 13:09:28 I mean, the muslim people are seriously the most optimistic people I have ever seen. http://www.dontrithai.org/palestine_/images/GazaBoyTank.jpg Jun 20 13:09:47 "If I aim right, I'll block his canon!" Jun 20 13:09:48 looks familiar Jun 20 13:10:47 * lcuk goes doin other stuff bbl \o Jun 20 13:10:57 lcuk bye Jun 20 13:12:51 lcuk: it updates your IM status to the song you're currently listening to on your N900 Jun 20 13:12:56 Pretty crap really. Jun 20 13:13:14 I have my usual lack of anything meaningful to write Jun 20 13:13:29 alterego, pretty cool actually for those that listen to music :) Jun 20 13:13:30 alterego someone can find it usefull Jun 20 13:13:58 :) Jun 20 13:14:12 alterego, i have a lot of ideas =) Jun 20 13:14:24 ZogG: well, I'm always open to ideas :) Jun 20 13:14:50 alterego, let's start with yetanothermusic widget Jun 20 13:15:11 better if it supports xmms2 ported by russkie =) Jun 20 13:15:14 Heh, I keep thinking about writing my own media player, or maybe a playlist editor to make it easier for people. Jun 20 13:15:33 alterego, you should make the xmms2 gui Jun 20 13:15:36 for maemo Jun 20 13:15:47 Meh Jun 20 13:15:47 i can give some ideas about UI =) Jun 20 13:15:55 alterego, folder based media player - which talks to MAFW ;) Jun 20 13:16:10 lots of folks request that rather than just browsing via metadata Jun 20 13:16:40 swype analog for ukeyboard =) Jun 20 13:17:03 I did a bit of research, popular iphone and android apps. Can't see anything particularly useful or interesting there tbh Jun 20 13:17:33 alterego, can you add a vuvsela button to your app :D Jun 20 13:17:45 lcuk: what would that do? Jun 20 13:17:55 "i'm playing BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" to all your IM contacts Jun 20 13:18:04 srsly, what the fsck is up with people talking about vuvuzelas fcsken everywhere? Jun 20 13:18:07 BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Jun 20 13:18:16 Heh Jun 20 13:20:34 zash: http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=R8JGhoVybkM&feature=irc ? Jun 20 13:20:38 * SpeedEvil would love to blow his own horn. Jun 20 13:20:59 * SpeedEvil gets out a book entitled '101 tips to spinal flexibility'. Jun 20 13:21:48 ... Jun 20 13:23:21 re Jun 20 13:25:46 hey lardman Jun 20 13:25:58 * lcuk waits for restore to finish Jun 20 13:26:16 hi lcuk Jun 20 13:28:24 anyone in here who got lucky using the map loader for the n900? I first tryed it on my win7 notebook, it complained in pc-suite mode (like it should) but it also complained in mass stroage mode :/, then I tryed it on a xp machine, there the maploader didn't even load :P so I went to another xp machine and finally got it running and connecting to the phone just to get a notice that it can't connect to the maps server WTF? Jun 20 13:30:01 I do it manually Jun 20 13:30:05 not sure the map loader works with n900 anyway Jun 20 13:31:13 Does anyone happen to know what he phones for the n900 are called? Jun 20 13:31:19 I'm doing it manually atm too Jun 20 13:32:13 SpeedEvil: eh? Jun 20 13:32:29 the headphones Jun 20 13:32:32 the model number Jun 20 13:32:34 merlin1991: I got the map loader to work eventually, some file had to be renamed in the phone Jun 20 13:32:50 DocScrutinizer, why did you flip the instructions to flash the eMMC in the wiki? Jun 20 13:34:00 SpeedEvil, maybe ev666il Jun 20 13:34:08 but I have to say that the GPS in n900 is so unbelieveably crappy that without constant internet connection it is completely useless anyway... Jun 20 13:34:21 Trewas, true Jun 20 13:34:21 * lardman curses cambelts Jun 20 13:34:34 i wonder if it's HW issue or SW Jun 20 13:34:51 lardman, this year its cambelts - when will it be nappies etc :p Jun 20 13:34:52 merlin1991: I just downloaded the map .zip and extracted it on the right spot Jun 20 13:35:05 dosent it have kind of a weak wifi receiver too ? Jun 20 13:35:06 * lcuk fixed jakes bike earlier Jun 20 13:35:35 ham5: IME - no Jun 20 13:35:56 ham5: I can get reception 30m away through 2 stone walls totalling 1.3m. That's fine for me. Jun 20 13:36:30 lcuk: soonish I think Jun 20 13:36:39 o_O :D Jun 20 13:36:45 it's far superior to most wifi devices I normally use Jun 20 13:36:53 N900 makes a great wifi signal mapping tool due to that Jun 20 13:37:00 but Holly's car's cambelt looks like it's jumped some teeth, so bit worried about whether I need to pay for a new engine Jun 20 13:37:05 esp if the GPS decides to work (sadly no use in door) Jun 20 13:37:09 * lcuk will get baby gifts ready: "my first cambelt change" "picture book of car maint" Jun 20 13:37:16 lcuk: just in the thinking about it stage mind you! Jun 20 13:37:43 so no rush Jun 20 13:37:46 enjoy the practice dude! Jun 20 13:37:57 also trying to buy a house, so life's pretty hectic atm Jun 20 13:40:06 yeah lardman are you looking near current place or far away Jun 20 13:40:49 near here, just upsizing Jun 20 13:41:07 :D Jun 20 13:41:18 mainly to house her shoes ;) Jun 20 13:41:33 (and my books) Jun 20 13:41:41 lol tracy needs similar Jun 20 13:41:47 * lcuk retweets something Jun 20 13:42:03 I suggested a shipping container in the carpark, Holly wasn't too pleased! :D Jun 20 13:42:16 RT: @lcuk tracys top idea to stop personalised advertisements from showing same thing (1) buy the shoes (2) search for other stuff *facepalm* Jun 20 13:42:16 hm, lol I can't open maps anymore :P Jun 20 13:42:20 lcuk can you tweet that you retweet the tweet Jun 20 13:42:30 it just closes after a few seconds of running Jun 20 13:42:42 sure ZogG Jun 20 13:44:16 anyone know what generates the dbus shutter state signal? Jun 20 13:44:20 and how laggy it is? Jun 20 13:44:48 dunno, are you after watching when people take real pictures? Jun 20 13:45:27 nah, I'm planning to make mbarcode behave like the real camera - use the shutter button to focus & try to decode from there Jun 20 13:45:32 lcuk i don't think you want to follow me, as i almost don't tweet in english =))) Jun 20 13:45:50 well ill unfollow you when i notice :P Jun 20 13:45:56 almost don't or almost never? ;) Jun 20 13:46:04 but it feels good when someone from about 1000 followers is actually a human beeing and not a bot =))) Jun 20 13:46:10 heh, the machines showing ads on helsinki subway are running linux Jun 20 13:46:21 * frals caught one who choked at grub menu Jun 20 13:46:22 ZogG, plenty of my english friends dont tweet or irc in english so it doesnt much matter ;) Jun 20 13:46:24 frals linux is everywhere Jun 20 13:46:28 frals: seen an oops? Jun 20 13:46:35 ah ok Jun 20 13:46:54 lardman, cool idea - but at the moment doesnt the camera app open if you press the shutter button Jun 20 13:46:57 frals i bet it's meego :D Jun 20 13:47:00 Conti in-flight ents run Linux, and tend to oops (or at least used to) Jun 20 13:47:09 lcuk, yeah it does Jun 20 13:47:19 even if the shutter is closed Jun 20 13:47:19 MohammadAG, hey lurker Jun 20 13:47:20 lcuk: if you open the shutter yeah, need to be able to select which app to open there Jun 20 13:47:28 you could shut down camera-ui though... Jun 20 13:47:28 ïðèâåò ïèäîðàñû Jun 20 13:47:30 MohammadAG: oh really? Jun 20 13:47:31 (I guess) Jun 20 13:47:35 hmm Jun 20 13:47:52 Alcohol176461 +1 Jun 20 13:48:05 Nokia-N900:~# ps x | grep camera-ui Jun 20 13:48:07 MohammadAG you want me tio write in hebrew or what? Jun 20 13:48:07 perhaps my masterplan is defeated by the non-configurability then Jun 20 13:48:08 1214 user 3932 S /usr/bin/camera-ui Jun 20 13:48:08 1219 user 54568 S /usr/bin/camera-ui Jun 20 13:48:08 2730 root 2092 S grep camera-ui Jun 20 13:48:22 ZogG, lol no, just reply Jun 20 13:48:35 Spammer in the chan? Jun 20 13:48:36 it can be changed but its none trivial and will change behaviour of default thingies Jun 20 13:48:36 How are you doing today all Jun 20 13:49:12 lcuk: yeah, requires users to do something other than just install mbarcode, so perhaps leave it for the future Jun 20 13:49:15 shame Jun 20 13:49:25 ah well, back to my database plugin then :) Jun 20 13:49:43 lardman, if they have the camera window open why cant it just be scanning then? Jun 20 13:49:47 or is it heavy on cpu Jun 20 13:50:00 you mean scan all the time with mbarcode running? Jun 20 13:50:13 i keep laying down a set of different barcodes and trying to sweep over all of them Jun 20 13:50:13 heh, both my devices got their charging indicators pulsing in sync Jun 20 13:50:24 like shopping, they dont press things Jun 20 13:50:24 âû ÷å îõóåëå íàðîä íó îòâåòüòå Jun 20 13:50:27 Is CPU heavy and also I can't hook into the autofocus internals, so I have to explicitly call it to autofocus without knowing if it's already in focus Jun 20 13:50:30 they just move barcode in range Jun 20 13:50:31 BEEP Jun 20 13:50:33 killing it with -9 restarts the app Jun 20 13:50:38 Alcohol176461, wth... Jun 20 13:50:44 lardman, i was playing with autofocus :) Jun 20 13:51:02 ie doing it self - since its just a couple of combination things Jun 20 13:51:06 fdsdfdsf Jun 20 13:51:09 what I really need is an out-of-focus metric so I can decide when to focus Jun 20 13:51:09 anyone has experience writing home widgets? Jun 20 13:51:14 DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 ping Jun 20 13:51:20 I'm like porno Jun 20 13:51:24 Alcohol176461, im doing great but would be better if you wold stop fucking around Jun 20 13:51:27 lcuk: which technique? Contrast based I guess? Jun 20 13:51:28 crashanddie, ping Jun 20 13:51:39 pong Jun 20 13:51:40 lardman, the edge detection thing we spoke about Jun 20 13:51:43 hey crashanddie Jun 20 13:51:47 crashanddie, spammer at 12 Jun 20 13:51:49 count number of edges at specific focus Jun 20 13:51:52 change focus Jun 20 13:51:54 count again Jun 20 13:51:56 lcuk: ah ok, how cpu intensive is that to run? Jun 20 13:52:03 newtons method Jun 20 13:52:14 lardman, technically for the 3 pixel thing its light Jun 20 13:52:48 since it just takes 3 adjacent pixels and works out if its a hill or a valley Jun 20 13:52:59 runs over the 384k pixels quickly Jun 20 13:53:03 ok Jun 20 13:53:21 count number of peaks etc - should work without using the system AF ? Jun 20 13:53:42 crashanddie why are you so angry today? Jun 20 13:53:48 im only working with lower resolution data tho - you use much higher to begin with dont you Jun 20 13:53:52 but you still need to alter the focus and see where you get the best metric Jun 20 13:53:53 angry? Jun 20 13:54:02 yeah lardman Jun 20 13:54:08 MohammadAG done Jun 20 13:54:40 ZogG: I kicked the spammer/troll, not MohammadAG Jun 20 13:54:44 the problem I get is in macro with low-ish light, it takes a long while to run the autofocus anyway, and then there are not enough frames to do the detection before it starts again Jun 20 13:54:52 lol Jun 20 13:54:55 I may have to alter the timeout, or make it adaptive in some way Jun 20 13:55:02 crashanddie that's the point Jun 20 13:55:03 low light is a bitch Jun 20 13:55:20 ZogG: please state your point clearly, I'm not following you Jun 20 13:55:38 certainly for the 1d barcodes its quite feasible - the problem is that once the AF light goes on it over saturates Jun 20 13:55:43 the barcode is really close Jun 20 13:55:48 and gets blinded Jun 20 13:56:15 lardman, how far away on average do you expect to hold barcode Jun 20 13:56:20 yeah, and then takes a while for that to die down Jun 20 13:56:22 crashanddie you should leave Alcohol1234 and kick MohammadAG Jun 20 13:56:25 and could you not just set to macro focus and accept? Jun 20 13:56:26 it's obv Jun 20 13:56:32 lcuk: dunno, perhaps 6" Jun 20 13:56:39 ZogG: I respectfully disagree Jun 20 13:56:47 but if it's small, or dark, you hold closer naturally Jun 20 13:56:52 i added focus slider - but i couldnt get contrast to work Jun 20 13:56:53 ZogG, don't make me come over to TLV Jun 20 13:56:56 crashanddie you are acting like Nokia right now =))) Jun 20 13:57:15 MohammadAG, meh, you don't drink beer anyway and you can't pass the boards =)) Jun 20 13:57:22 mwahahaha Jun 20 13:57:29 i found on some shiny plastic things i couldnt get the white end zone thing to detect Jun 20 13:57:35 ZogG: please don't insult me, thanks Jun 20 13:57:40 like in shops when people say certain things just dont scan Jun 20 13:57:42 crashanddie =( Jun 20 13:57:49 lcuk: depends how many points it uses/regions to do the autofocus Jun 20 13:57:54 Hi Jun 20 13:58:02 shame we can't alter that more easily really Jun 20 13:58:25 well thats why i am thinking to do it using AF from afar Jun 20 13:58:31 I came here a few weeks ago about performance issues with MPD on my N800 Jun 20 13:59:08 I noticed jffs2 was using up to 50% CPU, and realised MPD was flooding its error.log :( Jun 20 13:59:42 I resolved the issue by specifying /dev/null as error_log, now everything's fine Jun 20 13:59:51 ScriptFanix, cool Jun 20 13:59:56 crashanddie, so i was on gentoo chan, and i was off for a week to army so i set away =) when i get backm someone told me to turn it off, i asked what and why, he said autoaway msg and because he told so, as it was pivate i told him to f himself and istead to play cool op to check away time to understand it's not auto, he banned me. my point — i'm happy you are op here =) Jun 20 14:00:07 still wondering why the ALSA subsystem was generating so many errors though Jun 20 14:00:11 lcuk: from afar, the contrast is reduced anyway, so in some ways it doesn't matter, but you still need to be able to resolve the individual blocks in e.g. a QR code Jun 20 14:00:45 lardman, doing the 1d barcode, i do resolving 1:0 by checking contrast within the group itself Jun 20 14:00:47 ScriptFanix: what were the errors? Jun 20 14:00:49 ZogG: I also used to be an op on #gentoo, until they all went into a powertrip Jun 20 14:00:53 ie, guard bars are 3 bits Jun 20 14:00:53 is maebarcode author around? Jun 20 14:00:59 ZogG: I'm still not following you, but please let's drop the topic Jun 20 14:01:06 ZogG: yeah I'm one Jun 20 14:01:13 i base whether its a 1 or 0 by taking the range of only those 3 bits Jun 20 14:01:21 lcuk: nice Jun 20 14:01:25 it really emphasises and allows pulling out data from low light Jun 20 14:01:38 and because contrast changes over the entire barcode Jun 20 14:01:40 X-Fade, ping Jun 20 14:01:45 silly me! I destrouyed it… just a sec Jun 20 14:01:46 it allows much nicer pullup Jun 20 14:01:49 oh nvm, it's a Sunday Jun 20 14:01:53 crashanddie oh, that's why your nick is so familair, i hate kids with power, i was op on some jabber confs, hate to use power. only bots are banned by me =) Jun 20 14:02:07 lardman you are one what? Jun 20 14:02:15 of the mbarcode devs Jun 20 14:02:23 oh Jun 20 14:02:29 dragly being the other (who knows more about Qt than me) Jun 20 14:02:31 :) Jun 20 14:02:38 you're more than that, lardman, you're the one who started the project, are you not? Jun 20 14:02:39 lardman, can you try somehower to intagrate it more into system =) Jun 20 14:02:57 of course, what are you thinking? Jun 20 14:02:57 lardman is a shy guy Jun 20 14:03:03 lardman: alsa_dsp_transfer(): Requested too much data transfer (playing only 2048) Jun 20 14:03:14 crashanddie: well yeah, I wrote the backend, but not the new plugin system and ui Jun 20 14:03:17 * ZogG is useless loser =) Jun 20 14:03:19 lardman, i even use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downsampled#Downsampling_by_rational_fraction Jun 20 14:03:30 to get however many pixels to fit the 95bits needed Jun 20 14:03:36 * lcuk is getting very posh o_O Jun 20 14:03:42 ;) Jun 20 14:03:44 lardman new plugin system is weird as most of it doesn't have configs but it is still there Jun 20 14:04:16 ScriptFanix: interesting, sounds as though there's an arbitrary limit set by the Nokia ARM-side code, but the DSP-side wants more Jun 20 14:04:18 my turtle is driving me crazy Jun 20 14:04:24 ScriptFanix: but doesn't sound terminal Jun 20 14:04:28 crashanddie, are you gentoo dev as well? Jun 20 14:04:32 no Jun 20 14:04:55 ZogG: I think plugins are the way forward, but can't say I completely understand it all! :) Jun 20 14:05:09 what's you issue specifically? Jun 20 14:05:15 yep, playing works fine, so besides flooding log files it's not really an issue Jun 20 14:05:17 lardman: wouldn't AF use some sorting algorithm? Jun 20 14:05:27 itit's like there is configs of plugins and you can't change or set anything there =) Jun 20 14:05:39 re integration, being able to choose which app to launch on shutter screen opening would be good, as would using the shutter release button Jun 20 14:06:06 no / pity i almost wanted to touch you and to put your photo on my desktop =( Jun 20 14:06:20 crashanddie: contrast based tries (iirc) to maximise the contrast in the image (which will require sorting the derivatives probably) Jun 20 14:06:51 ZogG: yeah, we need to add a menu to allow plugins to be turned on/off/etc certainly Jun 20 14:06:59 lardman: are you running contrast against the whole image, or just a subset of it? Jun 20 14:07:05 it might also be an MPD bug, I don't think it's much tested on ARM platforms, and the maemo package is quite old (0.13, current MPD version is 0.15 and there were many changes) Jun 20 14:07:22 ScriptFanix, do you have the sdk installed? Jun 20 14:07:23 i' Jun 20 14:07:31 I just use the Ti offering rather than doing it myself - but that will depend on which regions they chose Jun 20 14:07:32 because it might be an idea to grab the latest Jun 20 14:07:32 m gonna sleep for an hour or smthing like that Jun 20 14:08:08 lcuk: nope, i found that package on garage.maemo.org Jun 20 14:08:14 ScriptFanix: I'm not sure it would be a bug with MPD, seems lower level, but MPD could simply avoid/filter passing along those messages Jun 20 14:08:34 so most of important parts of hildon are closed? Jun 20 14:08:47 not especially Jun 20 14:08:48 and there are no api for blobs on maemo? Jun 20 14:08:54 depends on what's important to you ;) Jun 20 14:09:07 i mean can we just fork maemo and replace all the things we don't like Jun 20 14:09:35 not easily re battery charging, wifi, BT, but otherwise look at Mer Jun 20 14:09:49 mer is dead =( Jun 20 14:09:49 add GPS to the list too Jun 20 14:10:00 but do they have api or something Jun 20 14:10:07 we can still use the same drivers Jun 20 14:10:13 but gives an idea of what needs to be replaced due to being closed, if that's the goal Jun 20 14:10:27 most of the apis are open and available Jun 20 14:10:43 but re autofocus, we don't know what it does inside, and I want some intermediate data Jun 20 14:10:57 i just think if most bugs can't be fixed, no updates are comming Jun 20 14:11:34 lardman, i'm thinking about hacking Nokia's data server Jun 20 14:12:41 for the GPS? Or something else? Jun 20 14:14:00 QSqlDatabase::open() - does that create a database/table that doesn't already exist? Jun 20 14:14:44 * Duckboot has bought Lego Mindstorms NXT 2.0 - It's a helluva fun. Jun 20 14:15:15 lardman, shouldnt create any tables - you asked it to open a database :p Jun 20 14:15:43 ah, that's true, doh! Jun 20 14:15:51 but will it create the db if it's not there? Jun 20 14:16:08 in fact, where does one even set the location Jun 20 14:16:13 * lardman needs to look at some examples Jun 20 14:17:10 Does tmo have an RSS feed? Jun 20 14:19:08 Is it possible to find out what repository a package came from? Jun 20 14:19:26 I want to be able to differentiate whether a package was from testing or somewhere else ... Jun 20 14:19:55 when I find time for this I'll try and package MPD 0.15 for maemo. If it doesn't resolves this at least it will bring some really interesting features Jun 20 14:20:42 is there some app to change wallpapers via a gui ? Jun 20 14:20:58 cant find anything usefull Jun 20 14:21:04 Actually, nevermind, I've got a cool idea. Jun 20 14:29:17 lol ZogG Jun 20 14:30:12 dr34m: yeah there is an app called "settings" Jun 20 14:30:21 lardman, barcode scanning should be theoretically simmilar to OCR Jun 20 14:32:50 yep Jun 20 14:33:06 at least in the Booleanisation process Jun 20 14:33:53 http://www.talesofthings.com/ must add plugin for this Jun 20 14:45:29 hello maemo Jun 20 14:46:17 lo wazd Jun 20 14:46:51 Aloha Jun 20 14:47:41 stskeeps: how's it going?) long time no see :) Jun 20 14:47:45 wazd_n900: i'm good Jun 20 14:49:29 wazd_n900, when'd you get an N900? Jun 20 14:50:55 wazd_n900: and you? Jun 20 14:53:46 stskeeps: I've missed meego handheld ui leak, was there anything interesting? :) Jun 20 14:54:01 wazd_n900: engadget links to it i believe Jun 20 14:54:13 (google cache) Jun 20 14:55:13 stskeeps: oh, nice, should check it asa I get home :) Jun 20 14:57:50 stskeeps; Eldar already wants to write devastating preview of n9 :) Jun 20 14:58:16 wazd_n900: probably, but he writes shit anyway Jun 20 14:59:10 stskeeps: shit can't prodiuce anything but shit :) Jun 20 14:59:20 produce* Jun 20 14:59:32 wazd_n900: It'll be on the front page of tomorrow's MWKN Jun 20 14:59:43 good day Jun 20 14:59:44 do maemo apps come directly from debian repos? Jun 20 14:59:48 so what's new Jun 20 15:00:01 Tha801game: Yeah; apart from Ovi which is a bit weirder Jun 20 15:00:31 jaffa: MWKN saves the day again :) Jun 20 15:01:13 wow. i just got n900. so most debian apps are available huh Jun 20 15:02:18 wazd_n900: Every week :-) Jun 20 15:02:29 not most, really, but if you install easydebian, you can use the debian arm repos Jun 20 15:02:57 Hello Jun 20 15:03:23 I'm looking at getting the N900 for ATT Jun 20 15:03:24 btw, n900 has passed the most important crash test - my friend that has paranormal ability to crash any digital device was unable to do it with n900 :) Jun 20 15:03:32 il do that. so happy i got this instead of iphone4 Jun 20 15:03:55 Is there a way to have programs ask to use the 2g/3g network? Jun 20 15:04:00 So, currently my N900 has 1873 packages installed. Jun 20 15:04:46 I won't have a data plan, but I can send/recieve mms messages + do instant messaging with the text-messaging service I have Jun 20 15:04:47 i got it for att. in the settings u can have it ask u everytime it requireds inet connection Jun 20 15:05:01 no 3g on att Jun 20 15:05:04 Tha801game: thanks, cool, any problems with ATT Jun 20 15:05:12 wazd_n900, we told you, the n900 is a rock solid device and maemo is kickass on it :) Jun 20 15:05:19 yah I don't really need 2g/3g most places I'm around have wifi Jun 20 15:05:31 and if there is no wifi I likely don't want to be online Jun 20 15:05:37 Hah Jun 20 15:05:43 jaffa: I'll try to find some time to help you with CSS stuff if you want, but I'm seriously crowded with maemo projects now :) Jun 20 15:05:59 Woo! 200 downloads of my app! :D Jun 20 15:06:11 ya. no problems so far. i been using it for a day straight non stop. im on it now Jun 20 15:07:04 Tha801game: have you tried mms messaging? Jun 20 15:07:07 lcuk: not quite kick-ass but really sweet indeed Jun 20 15:07:17 btw do you guys get SIP working over your cellular networks? here in Russia it just sucks, both 2G and 3G equally Jun 20 15:08:04 arkenoi: o/ Jun 20 15:08:08 wazd_n900, you are involved with making it better :P you should be prouderer Jun 20 15:08:33 no not yet. it doesnt come on the phone by default Jun 20 15:08:49 I've done VoIP and SIP, worked okay for me. Jun 20 15:09:14 alterego: What is this app? And do you have a convenient way to donate by paypal, or donatearussianbridetoastrugglingGPLauthor.com? Jun 20 15:09:36 Tha801game: ahh ok, if you don't mind where did you buy yours from? Jun 20 15:09:49 SpeedEvil: no, this app is a freebie, my next app will have a donate system in place. Jun 20 15:09:57 :) Jun 20 15:10:01 Or, the next update of this app might have a donate in place. Jun 20 15:10:08 craigslist. 350 with everything in box Jun 20 15:10:21 Depends, as, well, I don't currently have any "profitable" ideas to write apps. Jun 20 15:10:31 I'm currently working on a maemo QA testers UI Jun 20 15:10:47 * SpeedEvil just finished a stupid script to scrape the QA page. Jun 20 15:12:19 Well, my app, when run, will tell you what apps you have installed from testing, what their current karma is, and give you the option to vote for the app. Jun 20 15:12:29 http://www.mauve.plus.com/packageqalist - output tab seperated package list Jun 20 15:12:42 I suspect yours may be more usable :) Jun 20 15:12:53 :) Jun 20 15:13:04 It's in response to your post on that thread actually. Jun 20 15:13:24 And my lack of anything to do at the moment ;) I thought I could quickly hack something together this afternoon Jun 20 15:13:26 SpeedEvil: lol on the license Jun 20 15:13:27 Do I need net access to use the gps app? Jun 20 15:13:29 * SpeedEvil attempts to annoy people into developing apps! Jun 20 15:13:35 :D Jun 20 15:14:40 * SpeedEvil tends to overuse awk, and not actually use sane parsers for (x|ht)ml Jun 20 15:15:00 There aren't really any sane (shell script) usable parsers. Jun 20 15:15:16 I wrote a few of my own, for processing XML using xpath and stuff for use in shell scripts a while ago. Jun 20 15:15:49 I was meaning overuse awk - rather than python or perl, when you can simply include a shiny thing that parses the whole DOM. Jun 20 15:15:57 and lets you query it Jun 20 15:16:00 indeed Jun 20 15:18:44 I might even add a status area plugin, which every now-and-again notifies you that you've got testing software installed and you should vote for it ;) Jun 20 15:19:17 Ooo, this could me my submission to that maemo developer contest :D Jun 20 15:20:16 Oh, I have one day .. Jun 20 15:20:27 Oh well, maybe not Jun 20 15:29:00 Can the ovi maps be downloaded to the n900? Jun 20 15:37:47 Hi, i still have trouble on autobuilder... Jun 20 15:38:50 Does anyone know why my source package remains being on the build queue of autobuilder...? my way of creating package is wrong? Jun 20 15:39:31 Where can I find some decent N900 accessories? Jun 20 15:41:33 kenya888, is it still a problem then? did you mail admin after trying previous method Jun 20 15:41:42 to get your backlog cleared Jun 20 15:44:18 lcuk, hi, thx. uploading latest pkg is not good for me... now 4 source package on the queue. I couldn't find out admin's mail address. and know on this IRC X-Fade may be help me.. but cannot met him on. Jun 20 15:45:12 you can see build queue on maemo extras assistant web page... Jun 20 15:45:47 not today i cant :) tis fathers day and im not doing anything energetic :) Jun 20 15:45:56 ~ping Jun 20 15:59:53 ~ping Jun 20 15:59:54 ~pong Jun 20 16:02:32 Hi Jun 20 16:02:40 isnt the N900 supposed to play .mp4 files ? Jun 20 16:03:06 which it does Jun 20 16:03:19 well i have a video file with .mp4 Jun 20 16:03:25 it says unsupported format Jun 20 16:03:59 well, MP4s can use a variety of codecs Jun 20 16:04:12 so there's no real way to say which one will work and which one won't Jun 20 16:04:24 i thought all .mp4 files are playable Jun 20 16:04:41 i downloaded the .mp4 file from keepvid , which actually downloads files form youtube Jun 20 16:05:06 Video playback file formats: .mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp; codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263 Jun 20 16:05:18 MP4 is used for HQ vids on youtube afaik Jun 20 16:05:33 yes Jun 20 16:05:35 i.e their res is higher than 800x480 Jun 20 16:05:45 xDaReaperx, mp4 is a container format, as MohammadAG says it supports many codecs within that - some of which may not be accessible. there is an extra codec pack around i believe which might improve compatability in your instance Jun 20 16:05:47 hmm okay i'll get a smaller resolution one and try Jun 20 16:06:01 hmm do you know the codec packs name ? Jun 20 16:06:05 nop Jun 20 16:06:12 cos i never needed it Jun 20 16:06:19 why ? Jun 20 16:06:21 oh ok Jun 20 16:06:23 ive just heard others mentioning it Jun 20 16:06:30 extra-decoders I think Jun 20 16:06:35 ok ty Jun 20 16:06:53 or decoders-support Jun 20 16:07:11 http://maemo.org/packages/view/decoders-support/ Jun 20 16:07:34 which one is good ? Jun 20 16:07:47 oh its the same thing almost Jun 20 16:09:50 * MohammadAG ponders how to reset the menu arrangement Jun 20 16:13:41 anyways i'm lucky to find the same video with 480x360 HQ Jun 20 16:13:44 hope it works Jun 20 16:14:28 what means "HQ" for 480*360? Jun 20 16:14:44 its High quality but it's 480 x360 Jun 20 16:14:56 * DocScrutinizer scratches head Jun 20 16:15:10 i dunno i'm downloading the video from keepvip and it says so there Jun 20 16:15:20 ***** moviestar rating? Jun 20 16:15:26 this is what it shows : ›› Download MP4 ‹‹ - High Quality - 480x360 Jun 20 16:15:34 what are you talking about ? Jun 20 16:16:11 the video plays yes ! Jun 20 16:18:02 http://www.tvmovie.de/ rating 5 stars Jun 20 16:18:19 == High Quality Jun 20 16:18:26 lol k Jun 20 16:18:31 i was talking about music video Jun 20 16:20:10 so probably more like a RollingStone rating then Jun 20 16:21:56 xD Jun 20 16:23:14 aah well, probably they meant ">5fps" Jun 20 16:23:43 i dunno the video is pretty much like HQ lol Jun 20 16:24:01 as 480*360 is seriously sub-par wrt resolution Jun 20 16:24:31 hmm k Jun 20 16:58:00 * pahartik is just getting started with "Nokia N900" Jun 20 16:58:10 :) Jun 20 16:58:42 possibilities are endless Jun 20 16:58:42 :P Jun 20 16:58:47 I recommend installing as your first app - http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900fly/ Jun 20 16:59:20 LOL Jun 20 17:01:52 Stskeeps: I did transfer "rootsh_1.5_armel.deb" to device over OBEX PUSH but there seems to be no possibility to install it in file browser... Jun 20 17:02:35 parasight: Do you not have normal internet connectivity on the phone? Jun 20 17:03:56 pahartik: use terminal Jun 20 17:04:13 pahartik: like in "connect to WLAN, have 3G working" Jun 20 17:04:17 jacekowski, you're so smart you shouldn't be here Jun 20 17:04:29 lol Jun 20 17:04:31 MohammadAG51: :-D Jun 20 17:04:41 jacekowski, how would he gain root Jun 20 17:05:15 local root exploit Jun 20 17:05:35 pahartik is just getting started with "Nokia N900" Jun 20 17:05:48 aayes, boot into single user and hack passwd with a hexeditor Jun 20 17:06:00 talkimg shit doesn't mean you weren't wrong, which you were :) Jun 20 17:06:11 definitely Jun 20 17:06:29 actually, he could go into R&D mode, much easier than haxxoring passwd Jun 20 17:06:29 i see you are learning how to be antisocial Jun 20 17:07:04 haha Jun 20 17:07:09 I'd suggest WLAN + HAM Jun 20 17:07:15 I learn from the best jacekowski Jun 20 17:07:26 yeah, i'm proud of you Jun 20 17:08:01 DocScrutinizer: Well, I have used "Nokia 770" until now... I have not activated SIM yet, but I guess I have to, before anything can be installed... Jun 20 17:08:01 I suggest clicking the deb in the file manager Jun 20 17:08:13 pahartik: you can use wifi Jun 20 17:08:30 is there an equalizer for the N900 music player ? Jun 20 17:08:31 or the file manager Jun 20 17:08:47 xDaReaperx: ;-( Jun 20 17:08:52 plugin that rapes the CPU, yes Jun 20 17:09:08 DocScrutinizer : ? Jun 20 17:09:21 xDaReaperx: == afaik not Jun 20 17:09:23 jacekowski: I have Bluetooth PAN for local wireless networking at site Jun 20 17:09:33 xDaReaperx: you can do it with PA Jun 20 17:09:35 oh hmm okay Jun 20 17:09:43 xDaReaperx: but as MohammadAG51 noticed, it will rape your cpu Jun 20 17:10:40 seems ALSA mixer has some treble and bass controls, maybe worth a try Jun 20 17:10:48 jacekowski : hmm PA ? Jun 20 17:10:57 okay i'll try to get that Jun 20 17:11:03 DocScrutinizer, there's a plugin in devel Jun 20 17:11:09 PulseAudio Jun 20 17:11:14 blaaargh Jun 20 17:11:18 jacekowski: And next thing is trying to find out which package on current Maemo provides "pand" Jun 20 17:11:42 hi there Jun 20 17:11:45 MohammadAG51 : Okay thanks a lot i'll find it Jun 20 17:11:46 pahartik: adhoc wifi would be simpler Jun 20 17:11:47 pand? Jun 20 17:11:51 honestly a eq should go to mp3/whatever decoder Jun 20 17:11:59 hey Jun 20 17:12:08 bluetooth thing Jun 20 17:12:14 personal area network something Jun 20 17:12:23 it's like panda without a Jun 20 17:12:25 oh, PAN Jun 20 17:12:27 jacekowski: I do not have 802.11 network Jun 20 17:12:44 is kexec broken completely in all n900 kernels? or... could anybody tell "success story" about kexec? Jun 20 17:12:58 now that's a serious bootstrap problem Jun 20 17:13:07 Hi Jun 20 17:13:41 What is wrong with my N900, i receive a message and then its yellow, but it doesnt open, or takes 10~20sec to open it Jun 20 17:13:44 even more. Jun 20 17:13:46 use terminal to install rootsh... ofc Jun 20 17:13:50 e-yes: yes, but there's supposed to come an update with working kexec. there's patches out in the open for it Jun 20 17:14:07 pahartik: I guess your best bet is 3G or public hotspot, as even USB networking will need some root to put it to work Jun 20 17:14:41 just transfer the file to /home/user/MyDocs and install it from file manager Jun 20 17:14:56 Stskeeps, do you mean kexec.diff (4 patches related to mmu/caches/etc lowlevel code) from kernel-power? Jun 20 17:15:11 pahartik: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles Jun 20 17:15:25 pahartik: might help Jun 20 17:15:42 just transfer the file to /home/user/MyDocs and install it from file manager Jun 20 17:15:47 does that even work? Jun 20 17:15:57 yes Jun 20 17:16:40 e-yes: yes Jun 20 17:16:47 Hi ! How can I show QGroupBox border? Or is there any way to show this? ( layout border ?) Jun 20 17:16:49 or change the configuration file for hildon-application-manager in .osso and change permanent red pill mode to 1 Jun 20 17:16:54 DocScrutinizer: Yes, very good... Thank you Jun 20 17:17:18 pahartik, just transfer the file to /home/user/MyDocs and install it from file manager Jun 20 17:18:15 i though local debfiles needed dpkg -i to work properly Jun 20 17:18:17 Stskeeps, thanks. seems my mistake (in kexec-tools args?). What did you used kexec for? Jun 20 17:19:17 FredrIQ, not really, it's needed for the ovi store Jun 20 17:19:53 so installation via HAM was enabled in 1.1.1 Jun 20 17:19:54 MohammadAG51: It asks which application I want to open that Debian package Jun 20 17:20:17 err Jun 20 17:20:28 which firmware? Jun 20 17:20:34 you need at least 3.2010.02-8 for that Jun 20 17:20:56 re Jun 20 17:21:33 Is it possible to add a command liine command to desktop as shortcut? Jun 20 17:21:48 vi .osso/hildon-application-manager and change the 0 to 1 in red-pill-mode and red-pill-permanent Jun 20 17:21:51 Zucca: queenbeecon Jun 20 17:22:02 Zucca, desktop execution widget Jun 20 17:22:07 or that Jun 20 17:22:08 Zucca: or command line execution widget Jun 20 17:22:24 err that, MohammadAG51 said Jun 20 17:22:53 allegedly queenbeecon is better Jun 20 17:23:06 I want to store long cli commands I use to desktop. Lika alias for desktop. I'll see those you suggested. Jun 20 17:23:08 hi Ctrl-backspace isn't taking me out of easy Debian LXDE session? Jun 20 17:23:18 how can I kill the session? Jun 20 17:23:52 yigal: power button, or camera button, back from camera, kill app in app switcher Jun 20 17:24:55 SpeedEvil: the stylus doesn't work although the powerbutton dialogue comes up Jun 20 17:25:20 infact the touchscreen is borked seemingly Jun 20 17:25:47 hmm, odd. Jun 20 17:25:51 it's almost time for battery out time Jun 20 17:25:56 ssh into it? Jun 20 17:26:07 or just longpress power to shut it off Jun 20 17:26:16 SpeedEvil: not possible I haven't started the ssh server Jun 20 17:26:20 ok I'll power off that way Jun 20 17:26:22 ty Jun 20 17:28:02 n900fly also has a hidden poweroff mode, if you throw it high enough. Jun 20 17:28:35 SpeedEvil: how did you find out? Jun 20 17:28:45 SpeedEvil: cool :D Jun 20 17:29:16 mikki-kun, he checked the source code, how else Jun 20 17:29:40 Ah I closed the window needed to gain keyboard access in the LXDE session by mistake Jun 20 17:29:48 MohammadAG51: you never know... some people may even try getting a world-record at throwing their n900 ;) Jun 20 17:30:07 7km here Jun 20 17:30:44 Discus for Linux nerds Jun 20 17:33:38 Jaffa, going shooting this afternoon then Father's Day dinner after that. Should be available after 2000 UTC, so just leave me whatever. Jun 20 17:34:04 GeneralAntilles: what are you shooting? Jun 20 17:34:09 and hi :) Jun 20 17:34:11 * SpeedEvil wonders on parcels. Jun 20 17:34:25 lardman, 9mm, .357 Mag, .22LR. Jun 20 17:34:30 and hi :) Jun 20 17:34:37 GeneralAntilles: people, sheep, signs? ;) Jun 20 17:34:47 Paper targets. :P Jun 20 17:34:50 :) Jun 20 17:35:05 we're off to the US for 3 weeks, Holly wants to do some shooting while we're there Jun 20 17:35:14 With pictures of nokia executives on? Jun 20 17:35:14 lardman, where are you going? Jun 20 17:35:19 SpeedEvil, if only. Jun 20 17:35:25 SpeedEvil: lol Jun 20 17:35:32 SFX, San Diego and then over the border to Quebec Jun 20 17:35:35 SpeedEvil, but the ranges don't let you bring pictures of celebrities or ex girlfriends. :D Jun 20 17:35:43 is installing CUPS in Easy Debian useful for printing with the n900? Jun 20 17:35:44 lardman, CA sucks for shooting. Jun 20 17:35:51 Not sure what your options are out there, really. Jun 20 17:35:52 really, boo! Jun 20 17:36:03 ah, we're going to Las Vegas too now I remember Jun 20 17:36:11 lardman, yeah, bunch of anti-constitution totalitarians out there. Jun 20 17:36:13 Ah, Vegas. Jun 20 17:36:15 is a long trip Jun 20 17:36:20 Should be a good place to shoot. Jun 20 17:36:27 I know where I can get a life size picture of Sarah Palin, do politicians count? Jun 20 17:36:32 GeneralAntilles: lol @ anti-* comment Jun 20 17:36:42 GeneralAntilles: cool :) Jun 20 17:36:52 lardman, too bad you're not coming to Florida or I could buff you guys out. :P Jun 20 17:36:59 GeneralAntilles: will try to make a trip to Florida next year - missed the deadlines for this year Jun 20 17:37:22 lardman, rent a .22 and rent something big. Jun 20 17:37:29 you're always welcome here of course, weapons not included I hasten to add! ;) Jun 20 17:37:35 .22 is the best for starting out. Jun 20 17:37:38 If only I had the cash. Jun 20 17:37:54 what does rental cost? ball-park Jun 20 17:38:12 Probably between $10-$50 an hour Jun 20 17:38:17 Depending on where you go and what you get Jun 20 17:38:31 Range fees will be between $10 and $20 either for as long as you shoot or per hour Jun 20 17:38:32 Depending. Jun 20 17:38:42 ok, so not too much in the grand scheme (/me looks at his credit card) Jun 20 17:38:50 Buy your ammo at WalMart. Jun 20 17:39:08 Because range reloads always suck and they charge an arm and a leg for factory at the ranges. Jun 20 17:39:15 really? as a foreigner? Don't want homeland security to cut our holiday short! Jun 20 17:39:29 Shouldn't be an issue. Jun 20 17:39:43 I can ask around about Nevada law. Jun 20 17:39:49 just remember to not try to take any unused rounds home with us ;) Jun 20 17:39:53 Hehehe Jun 20 17:39:56 You poor bastards. Jun 20 17:40:00 GeneralAntilles: that would be good, thanks :) Jun 20 17:40:37 still got 3 weeks of getting presentations done so there's time yet :) Jun 20 17:40:40 lardman, I'll see about good ranges in Vegas, too. Jun 20 17:40:44 Hehe Jun 20 17:40:49 thank mate :) Jun 20 17:40:54 -s Jun 20 17:41:36 Hey, I'm ALWAYS happy to corrupt foreigners with my evil gun-toting ways! :D Jun 20 17:41:41 lol Jun 20 17:41:46 GeneralAntilles, lardman wont need shootign range in vegas, tho he will turn into sheriff and go after those one armed bandits no doubt :D Jun 20 17:42:16 nah, not into the pokies, my Mum's aussie, they have a bad rep over there Jun 20 17:43:16 bbiab, have to go do some washing up - wouldn't want an "accidental discharge" to kill me on the shooting range ;) Jun 20 17:47:21 Is there a standard method to launch apps from python/programs or should I just parse .desktop files myself and use exec? Jun 20 17:51:51 V13, what's this for? Jun 20 17:52:00 an application launcher Jun 20 17:52:07 (wannabe) Jun 20 17:52:23 oh, the request one? Jun 20 17:52:27 ? Jun 20 17:52:31 Just read .desktop files, use Name= as a name and exec= to launch the app Jun 20 17:52:32 xdg-open ? Jun 20 17:52:35 GeneralAntilles: Cool, have fun. Jun 20 17:53:03 V13, thought you were making what someone requested on tmo (app launcher with search support using keyboard) Jun 20 17:53:07 bef0rd: hm... not in my n900... Jun 20 17:53:26 MohammadAG: No. What i want is a launcher with portrait mode support :) Jun 20 17:53:42 read: desktop-widget Jun 20 17:53:43 oh Jun 20 17:53:51 * RST38h moos distractedly Jun 20 17:57:01 * MohammadAG51 moos back at RST38h Jun 20 17:57:17 does anyone know how to convert PNGs to PVRs? Jun 20 17:58:35 * lardman looks at lots of class methods to fill in an feels despair Jun 20 17:58:53 what's a pvr? Jun 20 17:59:08 not a PowerVR I guess Jun 20 17:59:37 i think it might be.. Jun 20 17:59:46 SVG then? Jun 20 17:59:51 I would answer pngtopvr - but that doesn't exist on my system Jun 20 17:59:59 but those are vector graphics Jun 20 18:00:20 oh right, pvr-ready textures? Jun 20 18:01:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PVRTC Jun 20 18:02:12 hildon-desktop uses them Jun 20 18:05:06 ah ok Jun 20 18:05:11 MohammadAG: http://web.onetel.net.uk/~simonnihal/3d.html - y2fail Jun 20 18:05:23 Ha!... got it :-) method call sender=:1.29 -> dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr serial=477 path=/com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr; interface=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr; member=LaunchApplication Jun 20 18:09:47 FYI: You can start apps like this: dbus-send --session --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr --type=method_call /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:MyApp Jun 20 18:09:51 where MyApp is the app name Jun 20 18:10:07 this way you get the launch feedback and the previews Jun 20 18:10:57 ty Jun 20 18:11:25 * MohammadAG51 adds it to his local dbus list Jun 20 18:11:40 lol :) Jun 20 18:11:55 I mention it here so that I can google it latter :) Jun 20 18:12:25 add it to the wiki Jun 20 18:12:31 which one ? Jun 20 18:13:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS ? Jun 20 18:13:07 Jebba's, if he doesn't mind Jun 20 18:14:58 yea Jun 20 18:15:55 arg... already there :) Jun 20 18:16:01 he asked to do that Jun 20 18:16:07 and first :-) Jun 20 18:16:09 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Open_Phone_application Jun 20 18:17:22 ~curse pnatd for being a crippled retarded botch Jun 20 18:17:23 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, pnatd for being a crippled retarded botch ! Jun 20 18:35:10 ok... a harder one. Is there a standard way to load application icons or should I just search on all icon paths ? Jun 20 18:36:55 Where can the chat logs for the built-in IM system be found? Jun 20 18:36:59 find -name *.png in /usr/share i guess Jun 20 18:37:13 MohammadAG: no I wont :-) Jun 20 18:37:14 i use /usr/share/pixmaps for my packages Jun 20 18:37:19 others use /usr/share/icons Jun 20 18:37:27 I see pyxdg... will try this first Jun 20 18:37:55 ebzzry, /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-1.db iirc Jun 20 18:38:19 el-v1.db* Jun 20 18:38:50 MohammadAG51: Thanks, let me check. Jun 20 18:39:02 MohammadAG51: What type of db is it? Jun 20 18:39:29 SQLlite I think Jun 20 18:39:29 sqlite3 Jun 20 18:39:40 and make sure you use sqlite3 Jun 20 18:39:51 that's the one Jun 20 18:39:53 if you use sqlite software it will just destroy database Jun 20 18:40:11 Thanks guys. BTW, why is it prefixed "rtcom"? Jun 20 18:40:23 realtime communication? Jun 20 18:40:25 maybe Jun 20 18:40:33 was called rtcomm before Jun 20 18:40:57 got it! pyxdg/IconTheme.py: getIconPath(). Jun 20 18:41:29 Hmm. Due to lack of imagination maybe? But naming isn't critical in that context anyway. Jun 20 18:41:36 Thanks, nevertheless. Jun 20 19:01:08 * pahartik seems to have some more work on getting Bluetooth PAN set up, but at least "dpkg --purge adobe-flashplayer" was performed Jun 20 19:01:42 lol why'd you purge it Jun 20 19:02:37 it has a lot of bugs Jun 20 19:02:58 MohammadAG51: Otherwise HTML browser might accidentally under some circumstances execute that code... Jun 20 19:03:33 heh Jun 20 19:08:24 alterego: are you there? Jun 20 19:09:41 MohammadAG51: Hopefully packages matching "*skype*" have only few dependencies as well, so "dpkg --purge" will be easy Jun 20 19:11:30 telepathy-spirit, hope I saved you some time Jun 20 19:16:47 hey guys Jun 20 19:16:47 MohammadAG51: Thank you... Yes, that looks like core of that evil thing Jun 20 19:17:36 does the "update automatically" (in settings/date&time) work correctly on the N900? Jun 20 19:17:53 because even though I enabled it, the clock is inaccurate Jun 20 19:17:54 yeah Jun 20 19:18:08 after a reboot at least Jun 20 19:18:18 Venemo: no Jun 20 19:18:31 * SpeedEvil finds the bug Jun 20 19:18:37 no? Jun 20 19:18:45 it worksforme Jun 20 19:19:35 alterego, which def of your updates updates im status, too many definitions in it :P Jun 20 19:19:36 Will the N900 have any MeeGo support later on? Jun 20 19:20:02 well, either this, or EVE's UTC time is wrong, which I seriously doubt Jun 20 19:20:03 define support Jun 20 19:20:04 bug 10163 Jun 20 19:20:05 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 GPS does not automatically set time of device. Jun 20 19:20:19 DrGrov: yes, with community support Jun 20 19:20:22 (In the UK, apparantly, we don't broadcast GSM time) Jun 20 19:20:58 Venemo: so Nokia will not be interested in supporting it officially? Jun 20 19:21:17 DrGrov: no, it has been announced when PR 1.2 arrived Jun 20 19:21:21 Venemo: you can instal ntpdate Jun 20 19:21:24 err Jun 20 19:21:24 ntpd Jun 20 19:21:27 which works well Jun 20 19:21:31 it won't be commercially supported as in you won't be able to call nokia care about it Jun 20 19:21:39 SpeedEvil, isn't that GPS time not network time? Jun 20 19:21:56 Stskeeps: will it be able to make normal phone calls as Maemo is now on the N900? Jun 20 19:22:13 DrGrov: however, there are community projects for bringing Harmattan, and also regular MeeGo Jun 20 19:22:14 DrGrov: they are both backed by several Nokia devs Jun 20 19:22:14 SpeedEvil: where do I get that from? Jun 20 19:22:17 DrGrov: we're working on that Jun 20 19:22:25 MohammadAG: yes Jun 20 19:22:33 Venemo: One of the repos - hangon Jun 20 19:22:40 Venemo: ah, Harmattan. Have to google around that to find out more. Thank you Jun 20 19:23:06 Stskeeps: great news :) It was a bit odd to see the first MeeGo running on the N900 with a bash screen lol :) Jun 20 19:23:09 Roadmapped for Harmattan. Resolving as fixed since we have agreed that no actual code is needed to resolve feature requests. Trust the Maemo SW product managers. ;) Jun 20 19:23:12 ah - optimism Jun 20 19:23:29 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/openntpd/3.9p1-4-maemo8/ Jun 20 19:23:32 openntpd Jun 20 19:23:38 DrGrov: that's just cos no UX is published.. Jun 20 19:23:44 MohammadAG51: you packaged aptitude for maemo5? Jun 20 19:23:46 hi all Jun 20 19:24:14 Stskeeps: ok, what is the timeline for MeeGo to officially be stable to use on the N900? Jun 20 19:24:36 hrw, yes, libcwidget is broken and the app segfaults, haven't checked out the actual reason Jun 20 19:24:41 DrGrov: dunno, let's see how things go. there'll be extensive QA and development Jun 20 19:24:47 DrGrov: never. Jun 20 19:24:50 DrGrov: let's get a UX on it first Jun 20 19:24:53 MohammadAG51: ok, good to know that it is known problem Jun 20 19:24:53 DrGrov: AIUI Jun 20 19:25:04 hrw, actually it works till you actually start the "install packages" part Jun 20 19:25:18 -2nd actually Jun 20 19:25:18 (In that it will never - as currently roadmapped - be available on n900) (As I understand it) Jun 20 19:25:30 MohammadAG51: it sigfaults here after creating UI Jun 20 19:25:46 Stskeeps: ok, so just time to wait it out for now. thanks Jun 20 19:25:58 hrw start it as root Jun 20 19:26:01 DrGrov: enjoy fremantle for now i guess Jun 20 19:26:02 MohammadAG51: I did Jun 20 19:26:17 MohammadAG51: I remotelly logged by ssh to root user and started it Jun 20 19:26:47 it starts up, even minesweeper in it works :) Jun 20 19:27:07 MohammadAG51: not here Jun 20 19:27:29 re Jun 20 19:27:52 Stskeeps: yeah, I really enjoy Fremantle :) It is working out beautifully Jun 20 19:28:30 Stskeeps: just a side question: is the current MeeGo for N900 able to run the tablet UX? Jun 20 19:28:33 Stskeeps: No issues thus far which I find relieving. Perhaps I will try more applications now when I have good setup and got used to the device. Time to pick out the testing repositories Jun 20 19:28:48 Venemo: i haven't seen the tablet UX code. Jun 20 19:31:14 Stskeeps: it is very interesting, since it was demoed already, but noone has seen its source yet Jun 20 19:31:24 Stskeeps: does it mean that is won't be open, or that it will be opened when it's complete? Jun 20 19:31:34 Venemo: i don't (honestly) know Jun 20 19:31:45 How is the WLAN on the N900? I have a 24 Mbit connection at home with WiFi and I get around 2-2,2MB / sec download speeds. Is the N900 capable on handling the 2MB download speeds? Jun 20 19:32:15 DrGrov: yes, it is Jun 20 19:32:35 DrGrov: for web pages, the rendering speed of the browser is more likely to be the bottleneck than the network throughput Jun 20 19:32:44 24 is about the max you get on 11.g in ideal conditions Jun 20 19:33:26 * SpeedEvil tests. Jun 20 19:34:09 I get max 200kbps on my 5MB connection Jun 20 19:34:26 same download on my PC gets about 600-800 Jun 20 19:34:29 MohammadAG: this is http? Jun 20 19:34:37 Venemo: yes, it does seem like that. I had some minor issues on larger images. Jun 20 19:34:45 I get at least 150 kilobytes/s Jun 20 19:34:54 DrGrov: if you don't mind my asking, are you new here? :) Jun 20 19:34:55 that is my upstream limit though Jun 20 19:35:18 I actually tested with an episode of House which is roughly 350 MB took me about 5-6 minutes or so to finish. Jun 20 19:35:38 Venemo: yes, I am new here. Been around for about 2-3 months or so, ever since I got my N900. Jun 20 19:36:14 So roughly counting that would be around 600-850 kB /s Jun 20 19:36:51 DrGrov: well then, welcome aboard! :) Jun 20 19:37:12 DrGrov: however, just a side note: if I were you, I wouldn't worry about MeeGo at all Jun 20 19:37:35 Venemo: thank you :) No, I am not worrying about MeeGo. I am just interested and curious as always with new techincal stuff :) Jun 20 19:37:40 DrGrov: with the Nokia Qt SDK, it will be bloody easy to build any app for Maemo 5 Jun 20 19:38:11 Venemo: you say? I actually have a suggestion for an app Jun 20 19:38:21 DrGrov: I'm listening Jun 20 19:38:34 :) Jun 20 19:39:08 Venemo: gui being the only and main problem in developing any app? that's new to me Jun 20 19:39:41 Venemo: The type of application I liked to see more of is some type of "organizer" application. Jun 20 19:39:46 can the n900 receive camera streams from wireless servalence cams? Jun 20 19:39:50 DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry, what do you mean? Jun 20 19:40:27 Venemo: not like the regular calender though lol Jun 20 19:40:45 DrGrov: well, what do you miss? Jun 20 19:40:57 Venemo: I'd say with Qt you may perhaps get shinier gui with less effort, but a working app is just as much of an effort to get the core functions right on either gui lib Jun 20 19:41:15 Venemo: Ah, I hate to explain my ideas in English. It takes a while for my brain to translate from Swedish to English :) Jun 20 19:42:00 DocScrutinizer: I wasn't talking about that Jun 20 19:42:02 Venemo: I mean like an organizer that would integrate the functions of the calendar but with extra additions. To have a "all-in-one" package for alarm, notes etc. Jun 20 19:42:39 Venemo: uhuh Jun 20 19:43:23 DocScrutinizer: what I meant was this: if there will be an app for MeeGo, and we want it for Maemo 5, it will take only a click of a button to build a Maemo 5 package for the app Jun 20 19:43:26 Venemo: see ^^^ DrGrov - now tell me why this is a snap with Qt and much more trouble with the recent maemo Jun 20 19:44:06 Venemo: now that's a little different from what you were stating some lines above. Anyway nvm Jun 20 19:44:07 ham5: Sometimes - for example - if you can point a browser at it, often, yes. Jun 20 19:44:10 DocScrutinizer: huh? Not following you now.... Jun 20 19:44:20 evenin' Jun 20 19:44:28 DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry, English is not my native language Jun 20 19:44:43 DrGrov: DrGrov: with the Nokia Qt SDK, it will be bloody easy to build any app for Maemo 5 Jun 20 19:45:02 DocScrutinizer: ah I see. I am not too sure about that since I have never tried to build an app for Maemo 5. Jun 20 19:45:11 DrGrov: I just tested with /dev/zero, and 100 meg took 100 seconds. Jun 20 19:45:14 I'm amazed that there isn't a "real" last.fm client Jun 20 19:45:15 DocScrutinizer: yes, it takes a click of a button to build for Maemo 5 Jun 20 19:46:09 I might have to make one Jun 20 19:46:11 Venemo: building always takes the click of a button in the end - usually enter-button Jun 20 19:46:21 SpeedEvil: oh, that is good. Not too bad actually :) Jun 20 19:46:28 last.fm doesn't allow streaming to moibles IIRC Jun 20 19:46:45 DrGrov: And that is to my laptop, which is on the same subnet. Jun 20 19:46:48 Guys, check out DJ May on Jamendo. Jun 20 19:46:49 SpeedEvil, right... but I plan to fix that with my grooveshark client Jun 20 19:47:06 DocScrutinizer: true, but my point is, it takes no effort for a future MeeGo app to be ported to Maemo Jun 20 19:47:08 whatever, bbl Jun 20 19:47:21 I do hate Rhythmbox on Ubuntu with Jamendo client.... Jun 20 19:47:26 DrGrov: I would be happy to perform a test where this is the only device on the wireless net, but I would need you to paypal me $500 to get a faster line installed :) Jun 20 19:47:43 God damn that downloading of the Jamendo catalog is painfully slow even on my 24 Mbit connection Jun 20 19:47:52 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jun 20 19:47:59 DrGrov, Yea I know its insaine Jun 20 19:48:27 I actually have my N900 as the only device on my wireless net atm. There is no other one on the same signal. Jun 20 19:48:31 My connection syncs at ~2 meg. But occasionally drops to 150K If I don't remember to kill it at night - well - I have it going through cron now - then it retains lower, and then stays at 150k for 2-3 days Jun 20 19:48:35 dotblank: the Jamendo loading? Jun 20 19:48:44 DrGrov, yea Jun 20 19:49:22 dotblank: i started checking via Rhythmbox for nice songs and get the browser and just download everything I find. Jun 20 19:49:41 Got 20-30GB in store to download later once I have the time to search on the Jamendo webpage :) Jun 20 19:50:22 I am trying to get a even faster line here where I live but seems like nobody is supplying it. Jun 20 19:50:24 Damn Jun 20 19:51:20 dotblank: are you on Jamendo at the moment? Check this one out. A girl from Brazil doing some trance. Jun 20 19:51:28 DJ May - Have Found Jun 20 19:52:48 Any new themes or good apps coming from testing to extras? :) Jun 20 19:53:34 DrGrov, I'm working on my grooveshark client but its not even in testing yet Jun 20 19:53:57 dotblank: is it in devel yet? Jun 20 19:54:16 I supose I could put it in devel... Jun 20 19:54:24 i was looking for it earlier so :P Jun 20 19:54:38 .. on a sidenote, there isn't a possibility to have the client save the mp3s while listening? Jun 20 19:54:41 I also have to put a dependancy in in devel then too Jun 20 19:55:17 Stskeeps, Maybe :) because the mp3s are properly tagged with metadata its possible to make a folder in Music/Grooveshark Jun 20 19:55:20 rapier wizard-mounter quick-launch tuner wormux feedingit grr lfocus espeakgui ecoach gonvert Jun 20 19:55:23 and it has all the downloaded songs Jun 20 19:55:28 dotblank: that'd be leet. Jun 20 19:55:32 are all on their way from extras-testing to extras Jun 20 19:55:44 some are updated versions Jun 20 19:55:49 (qa list >10 karma) Jun 20 19:59:05 Do I need to have an invitation for extra-devel? Jun 20 19:59:14 I'm guessing yes Jun 20 19:59:36 no Jun 20 19:59:46 you can request one easily, afaik Jun 20 20:00:09 Who is in charge of the Conversations Inbox widget? Jun 20 20:02:33 There's a conversations inbox widget? Jun 20 20:03:07 mece1: yes, there is Jun 20 20:03:10 There's a conversations inbox widget? Jun 20 20:03:18 mece: yes Jun 20 20:03:24 Stskeeps, just sent a request Jun 20 20:03:27 mece: although it's no big deal Jun 20 20:04:01 oh the mece1 came through? weird. Jun 20 20:06:48 * Stskeeps sighs Jun 20 20:07:35 The conversations inbox widget is really good to have Jun 20 20:08:02 Like the way I see the message directly on the screen without needing to open the message to see the main things... Jun 20 20:08:21 Humanity is wily and resourceful, and many of the methods outlined below will take many years to even become available, let alone implement, by which time mankind may well have spread to other planets Jun 20 20:08:33 Any good hints and tips videos in HD quality on YouTube about the N900? Jun 20 20:08:44 Trying to find some good quality and informative videos without any good success Jun 20 20:10:50 DrGrov: not really Jun 20 20:10:58 DrGrov: you are better off with the Maemo.org wiki Jun 20 20:12:41 Venemo: ok thanks Jun 20 20:12:43 nah, good night everyone Jun 20 20:13:08 Is that Notification light settings really important to turn "Device On" indicator off to save battery life? Jun 20 20:13:31 Or can I keep "Device On" indicator on without much difference? Jun 20 20:13:47 MohammadAG, ping Jun 20 20:13:57 pong Jun 20 20:13:58 DrGrov: it's nothing compared to everything else Jun 20 20:14:09 DrGrov: besides, there is o device on indicator Jun 20 20:14:46 wow! BRA-CIV! It's like hockey! Jun 20 20:16:32 MohammadAG, hey, can you type a right to left language on your N900? Jun 20 20:16:44 mece: Is CIV allowed to use sticks? Jun 20 20:16:49 mece, yeah Jun 20 20:17:44 MohammadAG, can you see you can use qlister 0.2-7? Jun 20 20:17:48 it's in devel Jun 20 20:18:23 sec, I already have it Jun 20 20:18:28 :) Jun 20 20:18:53 DrGrov: Best case it will cause a drop from around 120h standby to 100 or so Jun 20 20:20:29 mece, no problems here Jun 20 20:20:54 MohammadAG, so it works? Jun 20 20:21:03 SpeedEvil: so not too much then I presume... Jun 20 20:21:07 MohammadAG, does the list become right aligned too? Jun 20 20:21:11 mece, yes, and no Jun 20 20:21:13 SpeedEvil: So no need to turn the sexy LED blue light off then ;) Jun 20 20:21:19 mece, that's a Maemo 5 problem afaik Jun 20 20:21:35 MohammadAG, ok, thanks a lot. Care to make a screenshot? Jun 20 20:25:16 I just figured out that why do I really need 4 virtual desktops when 2 is enough? Jun 20 20:25:23 That as well should be a battery life saver Jun 20 20:25:31 DrGrov: It should? Jun 20 20:25:45 Jaffa: as fair as I know it should. Not 100% sure though Jun 20 20:25:57 at most it'd save some memory Jun 20 20:26:01 DrGrov: Wow; can you point to the code in hildon-desktop which means that having fewer desktops means less battery usage? Jun 20 20:26:17 DrGrov: Fewer poorly written widgets, sure; but fewer *desktops*? Don't buy it. Jun 20 20:26:30 it doesn't actually take any CPU or power to have them there if nothing happens on them (and that kind of power use I'd rather attribute to the widgets) Jun 20 20:26:35 mece, sure, http://i46.tinypic.com/2nqxg2a.jpg <-- why don't you get rid of the rotate button and use the flag? Jun 20 20:26:40 Jaffa: No, I have been just reading about it. I am not too confident but I kind of believe it. Jun 20 20:27:02 Jaffa: did I say that I had invented that? No, I basically just stated that I've read it Jun 20 20:27:10 DrGrov: As an experienced developer, and someone who's vaguely aware of hildon-desktop works, I'd say "don't believe it until you have stats" Jun 20 20:27:26 DrGrov: I'm not saying you've invented it. I'm trying to dissuade you of mystical black magics. Jun 20 20:27:33 Jaffa: do you know anything about maemo autobuilder? Jun 20 20:27:39 MohammadAG, because autorotate is the scourge of the world, and should be killed with fire Jun 20 20:27:47 Jaffa: I just read it online, not that I believe it until I see proof. Jun 20 20:28:19 MohammadAG, or actually, I don't like when I'm holding my phone in the wrong way and it rotates Jun 20 20:28:19 DrGrov: Then we're in agreement and the world is happy. Jun 20 20:28:25 jacekowski: Some. Wassup? Jun 20 20:28:30 DrGrov: if less desktops mean less widgets then it will save battery life Jun 20 20:28:33 mece, oh, when editing the list in bed I guess :P Jun 20 20:28:42 Jaffa: any chance that you could send me configuration files? Jun 20 20:28:45 Jaffa: yes, we are in agreement. Not that I never though otherwise. Jun 20 20:29:11 MohammadAG, More like, when shopping and a screaming kid is climbing up your leg. Jun 20 20:29:25 Jaffa: wanna-build made me use f word much more often than average Jun 20 20:29:27 jacekowski: Yes, agreed. I just have 1 desktop atm since I am not too active during my vacation. Jun 20 20:29:58 mece lol Jun 20 20:30:20 Jaffa: ShadowJK: could you please point to the code in hildon-desktop which means that having fewer desktops means SAVING MONEY ;-P Jun 20 20:30:49 DocScrutinizer, I guess they could fuck it up and still load all 4 background pictures ;-) Jun 20 20:30:53 just comment out the whole hildon-home file Jun 20 20:31:06 so Advice needed. I've got 0.2-6 with 7 votes, on it's way to extras, but 0.2-7 has the much wanted support for cyrillic, arabic, hebrew and whatnot. What should I do? Should I replace 0.2-6 with 0.2-7 right away, or try to get 0.2-6 to extras first? Jun 20 20:31:29 What app is it? Jun 20 20:31:33 qlister Jun 20 20:32:22 How the f*** do I save the loopable wallpapers on n900wallpapers.com? Jun 20 20:32:30 The .desktop file should go to Images as well?? Jun 20 20:32:53 mece, push the new version Jun 20 20:33:08 $10 and you'll get my vote Jun 20 20:33:10 jk Jun 20 20:33:17 MohammadAG, yeaj, I think I will. Jun 20 20:33:30 Does that thing where you're supposed to need less votes for an upgrade work? Jun 20 20:33:36 Jaffa: so? Jun 20 20:33:39 Mind if I post your screencap on tmo? Jun 20 20:33:57 ShadowJK, apparently not. Jun 20 20:34:15 ShadowJK, afaict. I've got 7 votes, and it's not enough. Jun 20 20:34:16 mece, screencRap? yeah Jun 20 20:34:22 k, thanks Jun 20 20:34:25 err, no I don't mind :P Jun 20 20:35:12 :D Jun 20 20:35:51 why is maemo.org transferring data from google.com?? Jun 20 20:37:35 jacekowski: There's a thread on maemo-developers about how Jebba got it working, and gcobb using sbdmock Jun 20 20:37:42 jacekowski: I don't have them to hand, I'm afraid. Jun 20 20:38:06 mece, ajax.google? I noticed that too Jun 20 20:38:27 MohammadAG, ah yes it must be the new search thing. It uses google. Jun 20 20:38:58 mece: ajax.google.com also hosts loads of third party JavaScript libraries so that a) you don't have to download them for each site and b) they can come from Google's nice big fat bandwidth Jun 20 20:39:24 hmm so I promoted 0.2-7 I wonder if it automagically replaces 0.2-6 that was there with a bunch of votes.. Jun 20 20:39:26 Jaffa: do you have a link? Jun 20 20:39:38 Jaffa, oh. Interesting. Jun 20 20:41:44 jacekowski: NOTTOMH, I'm afraid. Would've been about six months ago. Jun 20 20:42:06 Hello! Does anybody know which scripts run when the N900 is connected via USB to a computer and the user selects "Mass storage mode"? Jun 20 20:42:19 jacekowski: Somewhere around http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg22861.html perhaps Jun 20 20:42:54 mece: you had a look at 'env|grep MYDOCSDIR', on http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libhildonfm/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-private.c#159 and #93? Jun 20 20:43:31 DocScrutinizer, umm.. no? Jun 20 20:43:53 DocScrutinizer, for adding / access to fm? Jun 20 20:43:57 mece: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=mydocs Jun 20 20:44:13 mece: yep Jun 20 20:44:16 mece Jun 20 20:44:26 night chaps Jun 20 20:44:33 night lardman|home Jun 20 20:44:50 you do realize you could use sed to remove the file from the original package (modified libhildonfm-community package) Jun 20 20:45:42 edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/libhildonfm2.list and remove the last two lines, DocScrutinizer knows more about sed Jun 20 20:45:59 any project working on .iSCSI .idisk WebDAV googleFS for distributed filesystem or peer-to-peer projects? Jun 20 20:46:45 MohammadAG, wtf is sed? ;) Jun 20 20:47:11 DocScrutinizer: accessing "/" from /home/user/MyDocs works by binding "/" to "/home/user/MyDocs/root", but then the N900 cannot unmount MyDocs automatically... Jun 20 20:47:34 sed - stream editor for filtering and transforming text Jun 20 20:48:21 ah I see. Jun 20 20:48:56 ok here it is: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ Jun 20 20:49:01 vote away :) Jun 20 20:49:14 kW_: I'm well aware of that Jun 20 20:49:37 as it seems I 'invented' that quite some time ago Jun 20 20:49:55 mece, fix that black bar :P Jun 20 20:50:08 what black bar? Jun 20 20:50:34 DocScrutinizer: so, this meens the "MyDocs" storage is actually not easily accessible anymore Jun 20 20:50:36 the one when scrolling up/down Jun 20 20:50:37 DocScrutinizer: how can this be fixed? Jun 20 20:51:10 kW_: fix the crap Jun 20 20:51:14 mkdir /media/root && mound --bind / /media/root Jun 20 20:51:18 ~libhildonfm2 Jun 20 20:51:19 from memory, libhildonfm2 is a piece of sh*t Jun 20 20:51:21 there, you don't need to touch MyDocs Jun 20 20:51:28 :D Jun 20 20:51:37 indeed, but there i more Jun 20 20:51:49 MohammadAG, hmm I wonder where that comes from. It's only in the QTextEdit. I wonder if it's a bug in Qt. Jun 20 20:51:51 *is Jun 20 20:52:09 MohammadAG: nice :-D Jun 20 20:52:18 MohammadAG: you need to mount --bind some more of the filesystems into /media/root/* to get full coverage Jun 20 20:52:40 it does work for the rootfs parition by itself though Jun 20 20:52:46 MohammadAG: doesn't work Jun 20 20:52:56 but, as an example, it wouldn't let you access /home/user Jun 20 20:53:01 Thanks for the vote MohammadAG ;) Jun 20 20:53:02 flailingmonkey: mhm, particularly /home Jun 20 20:53:11 kW_, works for me Jun 20 20:53:19 kW_, restart the file manager Jun 20 20:53:25 but another few mounts should take care of that Jun 20 20:53:26 MohammadAG: how do I restar the file manager? Jun 20 20:53:43 close it and reopen it... Jun 20 20:53:56 that's what I did Jun 20 20:53:56 kW_: it should work, as it monitors /media for mounted directories, and displays them Jun 20 20:54:15 MohammadAG: I still see "Nokia N900" as the only top-level directory Jun 20 20:54:40 brb Jun 20 20:55:06 and I also issued "killall ossofilemanager" and then opened the file manager again Jun 20 20:55:08 kW_: try 'MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM ossofilemanager' ;-) Jun 20 20:55:54 kW_: won't fix your root problem, but at least you don't see "Nokia N900" then XP Jun 20 20:56:01 kW_, http://i48.tinypic.com/2vw8a3d.jpg and http://i46.tinypic.com/hs89a8.jpg Jun 20 20:56:05 LOL Jun 20 20:56:47 MohammadAG: a 'mount' prolly would help better than pics in this case Jun 20 20:56:51 MohammadAG: well, that's cool for you Jun 20 20:57:04 MohammadAG: but it doesn't look like I can replicate this Jun 20 20:57:28 MohammadAG: mount says "/ on /media/root type bind (bind)" Jun 20 20:57:31 try mount / /media/root --bind Jun 20 20:57:34 idk then Jun 20 20:57:39 DocScrutinizer, it works for me Jun 20 20:57:59 (so does hostmode - most of the times) Jun 20 20:58:11 MohammadAG, you're special that way Jun 20 20:58:16 ~MohammadAG Jun 20 20:58:17 you are, like, special Jun 20 20:58:34 lemme check Jun 20 20:59:22 mount: mounting / on /media/root failed: No such file or directory Jun 20 20:59:26 :-P Jun 20 20:59:39 kW_: you repartitioned your N900 right? might be the issue Jun 20 21:00:01 I also noticed that I have a microSD card inserted, as does MohammadAG Jun 20 21:00:24 DocScrutinizer: did you mkdir /media/root? Jun 20 21:00:28 DocScrutinizer, mkdir /media/root && mound --bind / /media/root Jun 20 21:00:31 flailingmonkey: might, but then it would still be a bug in the vfs, somehwere Jun 20 21:00:36 flailingmonkey, he knows :P Jun 20 21:00:49 flailingmonkey: I'm not a noob Jun 20 21:00:58 MohammadAG: ^^^ Jun 20 21:01:02 wfm Jun 20 21:01:44 DocScrutinizer: I was teasing :P Jun 20 21:03:38 DocScrutinizer: do you think it is feasible to relocate the mountpoint of the FAT32 partition to "/home/user/MyDocs/RealMyDocs"? Jun 20 21:03:53 MohammadAG, is it arabic btw? Jun 20 21:04:18 mece, yeah Jun 20 21:04:35 kW_: most probably will break almost everything, see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=mydocs Jun 20 21:04:38 kW_, that would cause more problems than solutions Jun 20 21:04:39 DocScrutinizer: this way, I do not need to re-bind "/home/user/MyDocs/.maps" (which I do not want to store on the FAT32 partition, because FAT32 is inefficient with large directopries), and I can safeily re-bind "/home/user/MyDocs/root" to "/" Jun 20 21:05:05 note that I have 19GB free on my root partition... Jun 20 21:05:24 uhuh Jun 20 21:05:34 I also noticed that I have a microSD card inserted, as does MohammadAG Jun 20 21:05:35 http://i46.tinypic.com/vensbc.jpg Jun 20 21:05:37 so what specifically would break? Jun 20 21:05:51 any project working on .iSCSI .idisk WebDAV googleFS for distributed filesystem or peer-to-peer projects? Jun 20 21:06:01 kW_: [2010-06-20 22:55:08] kW_: try 'MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM ossofilemanager' ;-) Jun 20 21:06:09 DocScrutinizer: I did Jun 20 21:06:13 if you didn't get an answer the first time it probably means no Jun 20 21:06:23 @ type_t Jun 20 21:06:32 MohammadAG, it looks so much nicer on screen than these letters. Handwritten like. Jun 20 21:06:35 you noticed HFM seems to use the fs-root of MYDOCSDIR? Jun 20 21:06:54 DocScrutinizer: the result was that the only top-level directory was "MyDocs" Jun 20 21:07:08 * lcuk finally kicks visual basic and calls it a wild piece of shite Jun 20 21:07:11 and _not-_ "DCIM" Jun 20 21:07:15 ive actually found something in it i cant do! Jun 20 21:07:24 exactly Jun 20 21:07:55 DocScrutinizer: so, this does not help, does it? Jun 20 21:08:14 ive actually found something in it i cant do! Jun 20 21:08:21 yay, party! Jun 20 21:08:23 no, but it strongly suggests your relocation will break more than you'd normally guess Jun 20 21:08:26 lcuk: congrats Jun 20 21:08:28 mece, lol Jun 20 21:08:41 Meh Jun 20 21:08:46 Hello everyone. Jun 20 21:08:58 eitama, hi Jun 20 21:09:09 * eitama waves Jun 20 21:09:12 MohammadAG, its taken 10 years Jun 20 21:09:13 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 20 21:09:19 but today i think it finally beat me Jun 20 21:09:36 lcuk: what version of VB? Jun 20 21:09:42 vb6 Jun 20 21:09:49 ahhh vb6 Jun 20 21:10:03 DocScrutinizer: but you do not know specificall what would break? Jun 20 21:10:21 i got familiar with when doing maintenance on an app in VB6, then doing a VB6 to .NET migration. Jun 20 21:10:34 * mece hasn't touched VB it since the 90's Jun 20 21:10:35 kW_, mate, it will probably render your device unbootable Jun 20 21:10:38 first libhildonfm2 will break I guess Jun 20 21:10:57 MohammadAG: well, then I should try it :-) Jun 20 21:10:59 the USB storage device export scripts probably would break Jun 20 21:11:06 flailingmonkey, i spent 9 years working with the damned thing, and still have a fucktonne of code in it - i just cant get this one piece working Jun 20 21:11:20 kW_, time the reflash please Jun 20 21:11:21 kW_: as your relocation is the same as MYDOCSDIR=/home/user ossofilemanager Jun 20 21:11:26 Someone please tell me you know how to start a skype call from dbus / C++ / Qt code / terminal pelase please please Jun 20 21:11:48 accessing the live .picture data from the VBIDE addin subsystem whilst generating a c application from the form layouts Jun 20 21:11:48 lcuk: what I learned what that it has a TON of behavior that typical CS types wouldn't expect, and a lot of those behvaiors changed in .NET too Jun 20 21:11:51 maybe you just can't :) Jun 20 21:12:07 MohammadAG, howcome you haven't voted on this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/arabic-l10n/0.6/ Jun 20 21:12:08 eitama, run dbus-monitor, see if there's a path for it Jun 20 21:12:47 MohammadAG: no, I can boot from "rescue" mode and just undo the change Jun 20 21:12:48 dbus monitor Jun 20 21:12:49 hmm Jun 20 21:12:59 i'll search around (: Jun 20 21:13:01 thanks!!! Jun 20 21:13:09 dbus-monitor in terminal Jun 20 21:13:14 kW_, k Jun 20 21:14:36 DocScrutinizer: well.. not having rebootet yet, relocating MyDocs to MyDocs/RealMyDocs works so far... but ossofilemanager needs to be started as "MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM ossofilemanager", not as "MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs ossofilemanager" Jun 20 21:14:50 is usleep in microseconds? Jun 20 21:14:53 so you have to supply a _fake_ MYDOCSDIR to actually make the MYDOCSDIR accessible Jun 20 21:14:55 weird, but works Jun 20 21:15:18 kW_: this actually works? Jun 20 21:15:22 so far Jun 20 21:15:27 now I should try to reboot :-) Jun 20 21:15:28 great Jun 20 21:15:53 kW_: it might prune the last dir even Jun 20 21:15:58 kW_, nah, just try too finish a reboot Jun 20 21:16:01 to* Jun 20 21:16:05 kW_: first edit some shellscript where MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs is defined Jun 20 21:16:24 DocScrutinizer: I just did Jun 20 21:16:26 now I'm rebooting Jun 20 21:16:28 let's see Jun 20 21:16:34 * MohammadAG ponders what userdel would do Jun 20 21:16:50 kW_: where is it? (MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs) Jun 20 21:17:18 MohammadAG: try rm -rf /, it's shorter Jun 20 21:17:32 XD Jun 20 21:18:24 someone steal a serial cable from a care center and mass reproduce it, please :) Jun 20 21:18:27 kW_: env|less highly recommeded for lecture Jun 20 21:19:21 hi Jun 20 21:20:36 * DocScrutinizer ponders where to smash in that "mount --bind / /media/root" line... Jun 20 21:20:46 MohammadAG Jun 20 21:20:48 I ran it Jun 20 21:20:58 and pressed the skype call button right after it Jun 20 21:21:02 10 pages of crap (: Jun 20 21:21:03 well Jun 20 21:21:20 just 10?? feel blessed Jun 20 21:21:24 lol Jun 20 21:21:33 Really it's japanese to me Jun 20 21:21:34 /dev/mmcblk0p1 was mounted to /home/user/MyDocs and not to /home/user/MyDocs/RealMyDocs Jun 20 21:21:41 against the wish stated in /etc/fstab Jun 20 21:22:04 I probably need to redefine INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT Jun 20 21:22:12 kW_: fstab is dynamically built on boot Jun 20 21:22:12 eitama, idk anything about dbus tbh Jun 20 21:22:29 aiui Jun 20 21:22:31 annoying POS ^ Jun 20 21:22:37 DocScrutinizer: not on my system ;-) Jun 20 21:22:48 kW_, actually, it is :) Jun 20 21:23:19 MohammadAG: actually, what is what? Jun 20 21:23:22 hmm, just stopping the new build of fstab doesn't mean it's actually used anywhere. You'd need a mount -a for that Jun 20 21:23:39 fstab is built on bootup Jun 20 21:24:30 DocScrutinizer: well, "mount /dev/mmcblk0p1" would help, too Jun 20 21:24:37 kW_: I guess no grep will find any 'mount -a' in any /etc/* file Jun 20 21:24:58 MohammadAG, it's never too late to learn? Jun 20 21:24:59 so you can as well smole your fstab in a pipe Jun 20 21:25:00 MohammadAG: no, I explicitly changed the scripts to not rebuild /etc/fstab anymore Jun 20 21:25:04 smoke Jun 20 21:25:08 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jun 20 21:25:54 eitama, good luck http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html Jun 20 21:26:06 hooray ENTERANICK is back again Jun 20 21:26:45 guys, it works :-) Jun 20 21:26:54 I need to leave in 1 minute Jun 20 21:27:58 plugging in the USB cable and making RealMyDocs visible on the computer works, too :-) Jun 20 21:27:59 minute's over Jun 20 21:28:10 Out you go Jun 20 21:28:12 :P Jun 20 21:28:27 so changing MYDOCSDIR, changin INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT to another directory and creating this directory is enough Jun 20 21:28:32 ciao :-) Jun 20 21:28:36 lol Jun 20 21:28:43 no fear of unbootability :-) Jun 20 21:29:29 kW_: great! :-) Jun 20 21:29:45 ciao :-) Jun 20 21:30:04 kW_: though I'd expect major surprise on using HAM next time Jun 20 21:30:44 INTERNAL_MMC_SWAP_LOCATION=/home/user/MyDocs Jun 20 21:30:51 OSSO_SWAP=/home/user/MyDocs Jun 20 21:31:43 DocScrutinizer, change settings so that it uses /var/cache/apt/archives Jun 20 21:32:06 MohammadAG: wrong approach Jun 20 21:32:32 DocScrutinizer, it's only a s/1/0/ :) Jun 20 21:33:14 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=INTERNAL_MMC_SWAP_LOCATION&filter=[Ii]NTERNAL_MMC_SWAP_LOCATION Jun 20 21:41:14 DocScrutinizer, so just change 134 export INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/home/user/MyDocs' Jun 20 21:41:15 and you should be good to go Jun 20 21:41:32 this too if test "x$INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT" = "x"; then Jun 20 21:41:33 154 export MYDOCSDIR=$HOME/MyDocs Jun 20 21:42:16 MohammadAG, what happens if the phone is in mass storage mode? Jun 20 21:42:31 mhm, and what's with http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/ke-recv/src/ke-recv.c#1543 Jun 20 21:42:39 for example Jun 20 21:43:13 Nokia-N900:/media# cat /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | grep mmcblk0p1 Jun 20 21:43:14 Nokia-N900:/media# cat /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | grep MyDocs Nokia-N900:/media# Jun 20 21:43:23 I'm out. Toodles. And thanks for the help. Jun 20 21:43:52 DocScrutinizer, nothing that's hardcoded I guess Jun 20 21:44:13 your guesses aren't quite assuring Jun 20 21:44:29 I know, they're very worrying :P Jun 20 21:44:31 MohammadAG, oh I ment if you set the mmc mountpoint in the MyDocs directory whilst the phone is in mass media mode Jun 20 21:44:38 mass storage* Jun 20 21:44:46 I would guess bad things Jun 20 21:44:47 dotblank, how would you even do that... Jun 20 21:45:02 MohammadAG, honestly no idea Jun 20 21:45:21 MohammadAG: or look at that: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=OSSO_SWAP&find=&findi=&filter=OSSO_SWAP&hitlimit=&tree=fremantle :-D Jun 20 21:45:53 DocScrutinizer, not hardcoded, again :) Jun 20 21:46:09 proove it! Jun 20 21:46:15 MohammadAG, is there a way to use the g_file_storage kernel module to boot a computer with the usb cable? Jun 20 21:46:17 grep MyDocs in it Jun 20 21:46:34 In theory it should work... Jun 20 21:46:39 err, what's this got to do with it Jun 20 21:46:43 if (setenv("OSSO_SWAP", mmc->swap_location, 1)) looks damn hardcoded Jun 20 21:47:19 DocScrutinizer, just change the variable and it's not hardcoded anymore Jun 20 21:47:27 MohammadAG: BS Jun 20 21:47:28 hmm Jun 20 21:47:36 err Jun 20 21:47:47 k, nvm Jun 20 21:49:56 btw the real problem is it's actually NOT hardcoded, but depends on object mmc Jun 20 21:51:31 Good Night guys Jun 20 21:51:37 night Jun 20 21:51:58 time for my breakfast I guess Jun 20 21:53:33 guess it had to wait for me so long, it honestly could catch mold by now Jun 20 21:55:30 I'm so fecking bored it's not even fun anymore Jun 20 21:56:36 kick yourself for the thrill Jun 20 21:56:40 You have the internet! There is so much fun and exciting stuff you could do! For example - http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ Jun 20 21:56:58 yeah, so not going to happen SpeedEvil Jun 20 21:56:59 Or http://www.foddy.net/Athletics.html Jun 20 21:59:26 ./me ha Jun 20 21:59:28 * Koriami ha Jun 20 22:04:33 3.5! a winner is me. Jun 20 22:28:26 crashanddie, finish mwkn.net, yah bastard. Jun 20 22:28:44 GAN900: I'm not working on something where I never get any feedback Jun 20 22:29:30 GAN900: I'm a challenge driven man, and if the 3 things that challenge me, integration with twitter, jquery and the algorithms for edition management are written, I can't be arsed to finish it up Jun 20 22:30:49 Hi guys. Can anyone tell me where are contacts stored on n900? Jun 20 22:30:59 crs: on the n900 Jun 20 22:31:48 Nice. How about path? Jun 20 22:32:34 crs: what are you trying to achieve? Jun 20 22:32:44 crs: why not simply use the API? Jun 20 22:32:45 ls /home/user/.osso-abook/db Jun 20 22:33:07 you'll find some files that might interest you Jun 20 22:33:31 I do have a lot contacts (some step of backing up from other device and importing to n900 caused that) with date of birth 31/01/2001. I would like to clear that field for those contacts. Jun 20 22:35:57 "In the computer?!?!?!?" Jun 20 22:39:46 crashanddie, too bad. Jun 20 22:39:53 crashanddie, what if I dive into the CSS? Jun 20 22:40:18 GAN900: hey, I've been asking people start working on it since I started on it Jun 20 22:40:26 there is nothing that I hate more than working alone on a project Jun 20 22:43:32 Watashi wa anata no keiyaku wa, ketsumatsu wa, to suisoku hiro sa re masu. Jun 20 22:43:52 agreed on that last bit Jun 20 22:44:37 MohammadAG: wa shiri o o okonau koto ga deki masu? Jun 20 22:44:50 crashanddie, no Jun 20 22:45:34 MohammadAG: Maybe you know whether it causes problem for Maemo if one uses "ext2" instead of "vfat" for "/home/user/MyDocs/"? Jun 20 22:45:44 wakara naku nari mashita Jun 20 22:46:31 sure sure, just meet me in france by the eiffel tower Jun 20 22:46:37 pahartik, no idea, sorry Jun 20 22:47:11 MohammadAG: shame, you were making sense for a while. Jun 20 22:48:23 LOL Jun 20 22:48:50 crashanddie, what were you saying anyways :P Jun 20 22:50:50 ~seen zaheem Jun 20 22:50:52 i haven't seen 'zaheem', MohammadAG Jun 20 22:51:23 When I use gdb in scratchbox to examine a core file, it always seg faults - has anyone else seen that problem, and found a fix? Jun 20 22:51:48 first I was preaching, then you said "agreed on the last bit", then I asked "what? That I can do you up the arse?", to which you replied no. I then said I was confused, and you said we'd meet under the eiffel tower Jun 20 22:52:14 ~seen zaheerm Jun 20 22:52:15 zaheerm <~zaheer@93-97-43-61.zone5.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 10h 49m 59s ago, saying: 'timeless_mbp, yep'. Jun 20 22:52:59 Hi all Jun 20 22:53:04 That I can do you up the arse?", to which you replied no. <-- LOL Jun 20 22:53:17 I'm gonna buy a N900 and was wondering what accessories I might want to look at. Any suggestions? Jun 20 22:53:31 car battery modded with a USB cable Jun 20 22:53:35 pyther: an iphone Jun 20 22:53:37 you might just get one day with it Jun 20 22:54:18 crashanddie: not much interested in an iphone Jun 20 22:54:21 actually I'm hitting my 3rd day on one charge Jun 20 22:54:46 crashanddie, you're special Jun 20 22:54:57 crashanddie, I use 4 batteries each day Jun 20 22:55:01 well, sometimes 3 Jun 20 22:55:21 MohammadAG: no, I live in a room where the electromagnetic current is so strong that batteries charge themselves Jun 20 22:55:59 that and I'm being paid by Nokia marketing to put in a good word every now and then Jun 20 22:56:13 pyther: an iphone <-- uhuh Jun 20 22:56:28 well, it's just that, an accessory :P Jun 20 22:56:44 lol Jun 20 22:56:54 Nah I just mean is there anything that I might want to look at grabbing Jun 20 22:57:06 pyther: screen protectors off the net Jun 20 22:57:15 I got an Otter Box case/screen protector in my newegg cart Jun 20 22:57:28 pyther: they seem pretty hot on the forums, never used/seen one. Jun 20 22:57:53 Does anyone know if the N900 can charge via a simple/normal dc->usb charger? Jun 20 22:57:55 pyther: I've lost all my styluses, so you may want to think about that too Jun 20 22:58:39 pyther: not a "normal" charger, it requires some kind of "smart" charger IIRC, all these questions are answered by google and the wiki Jun 20 22:58:51 crashanddie: so not with this? http://www.amazon.com/P002-Universal-USB-Charger-Adapter/dp/B000FAQ6S0/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1 Jun 20 22:59:04 soldering irons ftw http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38230 Jun 20 23:00:29 I'm going to contaminate myself now -> http://www.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~hofmann/index_eng.html Jun 20 23:00:36 MohammadAG: thanks for the link Jun 20 23:01:09 Can anyone recommend a good smart-usb car charger? Jun 20 23:01:17 Nokia one I guess Jun 20 23:01:32 or,,, Jun 20 23:01:32 I've just a few hours ago downloaded scratchbox, and have been trying the examples foudn around the net. All the ui-elements are grey, what could be the cause? (http://imgur.com/13k4D.png) Jun 20 23:01:36 s/,/./ Jun 20 23:01:36 MohammadAG meant: or.,, Jun 20 23:01:42 damn bot... Jun 20 23:01:55 :D Jun 20 23:02:11 MohammadAG: +g Jun 20 23:02:15 wouldn't that require s/foo/bar/g Jun 20 23:02:19 anyway? Jun 20 23:02:25 what he said Jun 20 23:02:50 http://i48.tinypic.com/2nh106r.jpg Jun 20 23:03:04 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jun 20 23:03:10 yes! Jun 20 23:03:15 s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ.........../G Jun 20 23:03:39 s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/G Jun 20 23:03:44 s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/G Jun 20 23:03:51 s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/g Jun 20 23:03:51 DocScrutinizer meant: s/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/G Jun 20 23:03:59 gnah Jun 20 23:04:06 xD Jun 20 23:04:07 what Jun 20 23:04:11 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jun 20 23:04:15 s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/g Jun 20 23:04:16 DocScrutinizer meant: jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGHJjkadhkDHJJHgDGH... Jun 20 23:04:23 foobar Jun 20 23:04:26 oh,,, Jun 20 23:04:27 s/oo/\n/ Jun 20 23:04:28 zash meant: f\nbar Jun 20 23:04:29 s/,/./g Jun 20 23:04:30 MohammadAG meant: oh... Jun 20 23:04:31 damn capslock Jun 20 23:04:32 foobar Jun 20 23:04:33 I see Jun 20 23:04:35 s/oo/\\n/ Jun 20 23:04:36 zash meant: f\\nbar Jun 20 23:04:37 ty DocScrutinizer Jun 20 23:04:50 foobar Jun 20 23:04:57 s/\n/moo Jun 20 23:05:00 meh Jun 20 23:05:03 s/\n/moo/ Jun 20 23:05:12 stop spamming :P Jun 20 23:05:12 whatever Jun 20 23:05:21 every 'special' char will make the regex fail Jun 20 23:06:11 s//what/ Jun 20 23:06:50 s/^/what/ Jun 20 23:08:49 it's a shame how poorly documented is that special feature if infobot Jun 20 23:10:47 Wow, has the Good Doctor ever been absent from this channel before? Jun 20 23:10:48 * MohammadAG stabs crashanddie Jun 20 23:13:13 What do you guys use for car chargers? Jun 20 23:13:28 pyther, muhahaha http://i48.tinypic.com/2nh106r.jpg Jun 20 23:13:40 btw, that way the FMTX works Jun 20 23:13:49 haha Jun 20 23:13:52 oh, and the car does act as a booster Jun 20 23:14:00 thus violating regulations Jun 20 23:14:07 but... I don't give a crap Jun 20 23:14:16 someone said this cable will do the trick http://www.amazon.com/Micro-Adapter-SKN6252-Alltel-Motorola/dp/B000IBLD3E Jun 20 23:14:17 crashanddie, someone's gonna be pissed Jun 20 23:14:36 not sure Jun 20 23:15:22 who? Jun 20 23:16:17 crashanddie, yeah, sorry. Jun 20 23:16:33 :( Jun 20 23:16:35 wait, wut? Jun 20 23:16:50 oh, you offering to work on the CSS? Jun 20 23:17:20 Well, I'm on a UX expert. i just try shit until people scream "this is awesome" Jun 20 23:17:34 can take a decade or two, before that actually happens Jun 20 23:18:24 crashanddie, DocScrutinizer, who else Jun 20 23:18:50 who gives a shit about DocScrutinizer51? Jun 20 23:18:58 hi Jun 20 23:19:00 He's a grumpy old electronics engineer Jun 20 23:19:41 puzzled: ohayo yoi sa Jun 20 23:19:48 anyone know a way to make the Modest email client on a N900 with PR1.2 do client certificate authentication? Jun 20 23:19:55 crashanddie: evening :) Jun 20 23:20:06 * MohammadAG hands crashanddie his pills Jun 20 23:20:20 arigato Jun 20 23:20:33 you're welcome Jun 20 23:21:00 Modest doesn't send its client certificate when requested so I wonder if there is some magic gconf setting that I can flip to make it offer its client certificate Jun 20 23:21:26 Anyone have any idea if this cable would work with the N900? Jun 20 23:21:27 http://www.amazon.com/BlackBerry-DataSync-Charging-Cable-Micro/dp/B001UC9NOQ/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Jun 20 23:21:45 it states "DataSync and Charging Cable" Jun 20 23:22:03 pyhimys: looks good. afaik it's a standard usb <-> mini-usb (or was that micro-usb) cable Jun 20 23:22:09 MohammadAG: anata wa amarini mo shinsetsu de yujin desu shitashii Jun 20 23:22:35 pyther: that was for you (sorry pyhimys) Jun 20 23:22:59 puzzled: it was a micro, I'm hoping to use it with my cheapo car charger Jun 20 23:23:31 pyther: dude, that cable comes with the n900 Jun 20 23:23:34 crashanddie, what language is that? Arigato is japanese Jun 20 23:24:01 MohammadAG: tashika ni Jun 20 23:24:17 * lcuk thinks crashanddie has been playing pokemon today Jun 20 23:24:25 rofl Jun 20 23:24:43 pyther: cheap enough to try :) Make sure you sand of any "bumps" at the bottom side of the micro-usb connector or you will soon join the ranks of folks who pulled the female micoro-usb connector straight out of the N900 or break it Jun 20 23:25:06 puzzled, ive never sanded my bumps down o_O Jun 20 23:25:29 read the massive forum thread about the usb port breaking on the N900 Jun 20 23:25:39 actually, I had that question during a pubquizz last tuesday, lcuk, "What does Pikachu evolve into?", and secondly "What is the name of the yellow teletubby?" Jun 20 23:25:40 i know it can happen Jun 20 23:25:47 but its not guaranteed to Jun 20 23:25:55 and ive certainly had device for a long time now Jun 20 23:25:57 lcuk: how can I sand them, sandpaper? Jun 20 23:26:11 my N900 has started to stop charging intermittently so I'm going to bring it to Nokia Jun 20 23:26:11 and i whack it in and out like nobodies business Jun 20 23:26:17 pyther: I think that would be the ustensil used to sand stuff. Jun 20 23:26:23 pyther, i dont know! Jun 20 23:26:30 lcuk: then you're on of the lucky ones I guess Jun 20 23:26:33 one even Jun 20 23:26:44 puzzled: never had any issues either Jun 20 23:26:54 the only time ive ever broke a usb thing is on a device i dropped cable on and that wasnt a nokia even Jun 20 23:26:59 puzzled, not at all Jun 20 23:27:01 pyther: you can use one of those things women do their nails with Jun 20 23:27:10 puzzled: a file? Jun 20 23:27:13 theres thousands on thousands of people with perfectly fine devices Jun 20 23:27:13 ah ok Jun 20 23:27:16 and a handful Jun 20 23:27:25 crashanddie: that's the word, thanks (not native English speaker) Jun 20 23:27:35 puzzled: neither am I :) Jun 20 23:27:39 puzzled, its always the way Jun 20 23:27:43 the vocal minority Jun 20 23:27:59 you dont shout from rooftop "my device usb port works fine" Jun 20 23:27:59 crashanddie, this is racism, and sexism, why does infobot have voice and I don't Jun 20 23:28:14 * lcuk does actually Jun 20 23:28:14 is it known that the planet is probabile dead? Jun 20 23:28:23 if I look at the pictures of how the micro usb connector is attached to the pcb then, without any technical knowledge, tend to agree that it is a design flaw Jun 20 23:28:31 MohammadAG: because your voice isn't worth hearing? Jun 20 23:28:32 barisione, i think its just sleeping for the weekend Jun 20 23:28:43 * MohammadAG goes up to his roof and shouts Jun 20 23:28:46 X-Fade has been missing a bit this weekend Jun 20 23:28:52 so perhaps theres a blockage Jun 20 23:28:54 My device's USB port works fine! Jun 20 23:29:04 had a nice weekend barisione ? Jun 20 23:29:06 MohammadAG: is that you I hear faintly? :) Jun 20 23:29:11 lcuk, actually, the importer's been funny lately Jun 20 23:29:15 * lcuk submitted your patch for testers tomorrow Jun 20 23:29:18 barisione: this may help answer your question: http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ Jun 20 23:29:34 lol Jun 20 23:29:45 didn't know domains could have that much chars Jun 20 23:29:59 LOL crashanddie Jun 20 23:30:00 63. Jun 20 23:30:26 crashanddie: I meant another planet, the maemo one and not the earth one ;) Jun 20 23:30:35 barisione: ah, my bad Jun 20 23:30:38 lcuk: yes, and now it's time to bed Jun 20 23:30:40 night all Jun 20 23:30:43 night Jun 20 23:30:45 crashanddie, how would that get updated if it does destroy the world Jun 20 23:30:46 cya in the morning marco Jun 20 23:30:51 nn barisione Jun 20 23:31:00 MohammadAG: well, I think you just answered your own question Jun 20 23:31:23 MohammadAG: if the planet is destroyed, serving dynamic pages should be your last problem Jun 20 23:31:32 crashanddie, nope, UFOs have ethernet nowadays so they need to check on this planet's status Jun 20 23:31:47 MohammadAG: you are missing the funny part of the page :) Jun 20 23:32:02 the source code Jun 20 23:32:19