**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 22 02:59:56 2010 Jun 22 03:10:46 how do you make sshd not start automatically? Jun 22 03:32:39 of all the images they could have used! http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/06/nokia_z500_tablet_rumored_to_run_on_meego.html Jun 22 03:35:55 heh Jun 22 03:48:26 wth? Jun 22 03:50:20 yes? Jun 22 03:54:33 since i've updated to pr1.2 i've noticed my n900 gets very warm when i use it as a modem, anyone else have this problem? Jun 22 03:55:10 auto capitalization on n900 is broken Jun 22 03:55:16 after 1.2 Jun 22 03:55:47 jessee: i always turn it off so i didn't notice Jun 22 03:56:06 what a disappointment 1.2 is Jun 22 03:56:39 *what a disappointment maemo is* fixed Jun 22 03:57:13 yes Jun 22 03:57:19 love the n900 hardware but i wish it ran android Jun 22 03:59:40 it's quiet here today, they all ran away to meego Jun 22 04:00:22 bah, i have a feeling meego wont be any better Jun 22 04:01:31 it wont be if nokia abandons it after 6 months like they did maemo/n900 Jun 22 04:01:58 nokia has not abandonded the n900 Jun 22 04:02:38 ljp: wish it were true mate what you're saying Jun 22 04:07:30 ya, what do I know Jun 22 04:39:33 is there an app to keep track of hours worked per day? Jun 22 04:39:52 so i can see if my tracking matches my pay period Jun 22 04:42:58 Hi! Is screen (the multiplexer) available on Fremantle? Jun 22 04:43:48 opdf2: apt-cache search gives me flexo and mtracker Jun 22 04:44:05 pigeon:  thanks I'll look into those Jun 22 04:44:17 opdf2: http://www.balenet.com/flexo/ Jun 22 04:53:39 when there are more than a couple of widgets in the dropdown menu for the wifi etc, then a scroll bar appears for a second, but it doesn't work (for example mine has more than 8 things in it i cannot get teh flashlight app to work because it is pushed down) Jun 22 04:54:22 moo. Jun 22 05:36:01 has anyone had problems with MfE and google lately? it has been working for me since december, but now all of a sudden im getting exchange server not responding errors and no successfull syncs Jun 22 05:36:36 sounds exactly same problem as there has been earlier Jun 22 05:36:53 so its a client/device issue? Jun 22 05:37:11 syncing works other way, and it seems to fail to another, only way to get rid of it is to remove and re-enter account details Jun 22 05:37:17 don't know Jun 22 05:37:20 maybe, maybe not Jun 22 05:37:25 doh Jun 22 05:37:30 red: you just using it for contact/cal? Jun 22 05:37:37 only cal Jun 22 05:38:04 red: I've had good luck with nuevasync, guy has an n900 so he's quick fixing issues and it's free for cal (and contacts) Jun 22 05:38:23 it syncs gmail too? Jun 22 05:38:53 guess ill give it a go seeing as i have to redo the sync anyway Jun 22 05:38:54 it can sync email, but that costs Jun 22 05:39:09 not needed Jun 22 05:39:17 native app works well with email Jun 22 05:39:23 it's not google related problem, it occurs also with plain exchange servers too Jun 22 05:39:27 atleast with gmail Jun 22 05:39:43 so i would think that it's device mfe problem Jun 22 05:39:51 yup Jun 22 05:40:02 thanks for tips, love irc :) Jun 22 05:40:11 but I don't know why it happens, for me it has worked perfectly well the whole time Jun 22 05:40:25 ya, for mee too until now heh Jun 22 05:40:31 but I know a person who has had that issue twice, with pr1.1.1 and 1.2 Jun 22 05:41:02 but anyway, if the problem remains, removing and reentering the account details should work just fine Jun 22 05:41:15 perhaps he syncs more agressively Jun 22 05:41:16 e Jun 22 05:41:19 but problem with google is that you can initially sync only empty calendar Jun 22 05:41:51 so basically you would need either to remove all entries or create new sync calendar for that purpose Jun 22 05:42:08 yeo i know Jun 22 05:42:12 thats annoying Jun 22 05:42:18 so Jun 22 05:42:24 ERANGE time ago Jun 22 05:42:35 that's plainly google problem, i have no idea why such restriction :) Jun 22 05:42:55 there were 2.2 beta of Ovi suite released Jun 22 05:43:01 when is it due for release? Jun 22 05:43:38 the lack of comittment to Ovi from a N900 view is absolutely apaling. Jun 22 05:43:47 hello, could someone confirm this bug for me please? http://pastebin.com/bzeiRWFC Jun 22 05:44:14 ah, i guess you'll need thai font, n/m Jun 22 05:48:24 wall[e]: confirmed Jun 22 05:48:38 vldcnst, thanks! Jun 22 05:49:06 wall[e]: I get an extra space also. '? ??' Jun 22 05:51:23 vldcnst, ok. Jun 22 06:00:13 hmm Jun 22 06:00:22 so if I put my MFE as gmail Jun 22 06:00:30 no wait Jun 22 06:00:31 nm Jun 22 06:00:32 :) Jun 22 06:01:09 tybollt: from my experiance with ovi services, them ignoring us, and us ignoring them is the best outcome you could hope for Jun 22 06:01:28 why Jun 22 06:01:44 oh well ovi is soon useless to me anyway Jun 22 06:01:48 tybollt: oh you meant ovi suite, I was thinking of store and mail Jun 22 06:02:10 tybollt: I have no use for it, but people like using it to move maps and contacts, all useless for me Jun 22 06:02:28 Hi! Is screen (screen multiplexer) available on Fremantle? Jun 22 06:02:43 ebzzry: yes, in fremantle-tools (or such) Jun 22 06:02:44 missus had nokia too, we'd share the calendar and sync... now she's getting an SE (yes nokia is really really fucking up right now they don't have a contender) so now it'll have to be gmail cal Jun 22 06:03:07 ebzzry: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 Jun 22 06:03:07 asj: I don't get that Jun 22 06:03:26 asj: having your contacts ona web and then syncing it OTA is fricken bliss Jun 22 06:03:36 asj: all nokias does that EXCEPT n900 Jun 22 06:03:43 tybollt: mfe works for me with google Jun 22 06:03:45 joga: Thanks! Jun 22 06:03:56 asj: good stuff Jun 22 06:04:26 asj: unfortunately I need workmail (exchange) so can't use MFE for gmail Jun 22 06:04:32 but there's erminig I suppose Jun 22 06:04:49 tybollt: ah, isn't there a syncml client? Jun 22 06:05:02 (not built in, in extras-*) Jun 22 06:39:40 has anyone played with arapp? Jun 22 07:14:46 pigeon: \o_ Jun 22 07:15:37 PolarFox: hi Jun 22 07:16:01 PolarFox: i find it sometimes just segvs at startup, but sometimes it doesn't Jun 22 07:16:59 Yeah, I know.. it isn't even close to stable.. :) Jun 22 07:17:31 I've seen it crash even from the smallest interruption..(like IM message) Jun 22 07:17:46 ah Jun 22 07:22:54 morning Jun 22 07:29:03 hi, guys! To my understanding, N900 with GLES 2.0 support should be able to run tegra-targeted apps. But what about java frontend? Anybody tried to bring Android's JVM on maemo, is it ever possible and why? Jun 22 07:29:35 look for nitroid Jun 22 07:34:54 rmrfchik : nitroid is a port of android to n900 as i understand, mmarc__1 was asking about just the jvm i think Jun 22 07:35:03 yeah, I've heard about it, but what about JVM on top of maemo? Jun 22 07:35:53 I worked a bit with both, and IMO maemo's understanding of linux is much more comfortable Jun 22 07:36:25 can I layout on grid desktop's shortcuts Jun 22 07:36:27 ? Jun 22 07:36:30 for some reason android reworked all file system structure, and they even don't have a normal shell! Jun 22 07:59:47 Does there exists another Mailclient for N900 besides modest? Jun 22 08:00:29 easydebian -> thunderbird ? Jun 22 08:02:06 Nah - I want a mailclient with a UI made for a handheld, but more functionality than modest Jun 22 08:06:36 mutt!@ Jun 22 08:07:40 hi Jun 22 08:07:50 hi Jun 22 08:08:06 do you know if exist any benchmark on sd device (read/write/random acess etc ?) Jun 22 08:08:34 not a professional one no, probably I'd just do dd Jun 22 08:09:10 dd and cat probably Jun 22 08:26:10 crashanddie: wazz up? Jun 22 08:27:18 psycho_oreos: nice name... psycho cookies Jun 22 08:28:05 Proteous: mutt - Ofc... Why did'nt I think of that one. Jun 22 08:28:31 Duckboot: what was the ctrl+key combo for enter again? Jun 22 08:29:35 hello! can any body show python example hot to make phone call? Jun 22 08:29:52 i think use os.system('command') is not a good idea Jun 22 08:30:30 Good morning guys. Jun 22 08:30:58 plastun: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call_2 Jun 22 08:31:34 amigadave, thanks! Jun 22 08:33:00 I have set up alarmed to switch profiles using cron strings. Switched nicely to silent at given time but then never switched back to general profile (i did set it up as well). Then I wanted to switch to general manualy, but it is not in profiles menu when you click on the icons on topbar. It is still available in settings. I do have 1.2 firmware. Did anyone experienced something like that? Jun 22 08:35:00 chem|st: ctrl+j iirc Jun 22 08:35:55 frals_: thx thats what Duckboot needs as the enter key is KP_Enter Jun 22 08:37:09 crs: have you tweakr installed? Jun 22 08:38:16 crs: for some reason the general disappeared, use the pwr_btn-menu Jun 22 08:39:00 chem|st: I do have it, yes. Jun 22 08:39:22 you should be able to change it within the pwr_btn-menu Jun 22 08:39:57 chem|st: OK, thanks, I am able to chenge it again now. Nice one. Question remains, wky alarmed does not change back to general profile then? ;/ Jun 22 08:40:13 whats your input?= Jun 22 08:40:36 pastebin your scripts (both) pls Jun 22 08:40:53 chem|st: input?=? Jun 22 08:41:08 the command you use Jun 22 08:41:40 with alarmed? It has build in profile switching Jun 22 08:42:20 well tell the maintainer Jun 22 08:42:53 I do have exctly the same cron strings and switching to silent works, but not to general Jun 22 08:42:56 Weird. Jun 22 08:43:01 I shall do so. Thanks. Jun 22 08:43:19 what is the cron string then? Jun 22 08:43:37 30 17 * * 1,2,3,4 - this one does not work Jun 22 08:43:49 15 9 * * 1,2,3,4,5 - this one does Jun 22 08:46:10 crs, btw, I've used ses for similar purpose with some success Jun 22 08:46:19 gimme the full string pls Jun 22 08:46:50 anyone use sygic? my tomtom died and i need a replacement Jun 22 08:47:12 toggles_w: mappero... Jun 22 08:47:27 i wonder if they got improved speakers on more recent n900s Jun 22 08:47:29 yeah, tried that Jun 22 08:47:29 chem|st: I use alarmed to do that, there is no script shich I need to know. You pickup an action, set the timing for it (one of the options is to use cron string) using cron and thats it. Jun 22 08:47:39 pupnik: nope Jun 22 08:47:46 flux: ses? What is that? Jun 22 08:47:51 when I run xephyr using Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & Jun 22 08:48:09 I get this error: Unrecognized option: -kb Jun 22 08:48:24 crs, ses - System Event Scheduler controls operation at certain times of the day Jun 22 08:48:51 I have used it earlier but it doesn't seem to work anymore Jun 22 08:48:56 any idea ? Jun 22 08:49:48 crs: "§&%@ so you set that up in alarmed, have you ever thought of having a look into your crontab? Jun 22 08:50:53 akssps011: followup versions dont have that option, I wonder that you come here... first try is to remove the string and try again Jun 22 08:51:02 Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac & Jun 22 08:51:18 chem|st: It does not use cron. It uses some kind of build in mechanism Jun 22 08:51:42 Morning, all Jun 22 08:51:53 crs: ok then its time to file a bug... Jun 22 08:51:53 chem|st: i guessed so, but didn't tried(pity me)..thanks a lot Jun 22 08:52:31 g'moaning Jun 22 08:52:31 * chem|st slaps akssps011 with a large... Jun 22 08:53:32 alterego: what are you moaning again? Jun 22 08:53:37 ;) Jun 22 08:54:36 SHALALALA Jun 22 08:55:09 boo this is World Cup free zone :) Jun 22 08:55:31 whatwhere? Jun 22 08:55:37 meh Jun 22 08:55:46 I'm always moaning. Jun 22 08:56:07 so not for a reason! just habbit? Jun 22 08:56:15 chem|st, mmhmm ta Jun 22 08:56:42 hobbit Jun 22 08:57:04 well I actually have hairy feet so yes - I guess I deserve that Jun 22 08:58:25 chem|st: Looks like. Thanks for your hope. I might actually install cron instead. Is there any cron for n900 in repos? Jun 22 08:59:00 flux: How is that ses package called? Jun 22 09:03:50 Anyone got a .deb for mutt-ng? (Or mutt-patched) Jun 22 09:05:13 crs, it has a GUI, you run it from the list of programs.. Jun 22 09:06:05 flux: It does not seem like I do have it installed. Is n900 a device you actually mean? Jun 22 09:06:34 crs, ah, I must've missed it if you have a non-n900 device then :) Jun 22 09:06:53 nope, you have n900 as well.. yes, the package is called ses, and it isn't installed by default. Jun 22 09:07:32 crs, it appears I've got it from extras-devel Jun 22 09:08:01 damn this country with no road signs Jun 22 09:08:02 Will give it a go now. Thanks Jun 22 09:08:14 toggles_w: What country are you talking about? Jun 22 09:08:34 lol .it Jun 22 09:09:00 mappero is failing to route me for some reason, i think it's because the road doesn't exist Jun 22 09:09:06 i'll just stay lost for a while Jun 22 09:09:40 well, it uses google router by default Jun 22 09:09:48 it shouldn't be mappero feature at all Jun 22 09:11:06 Do new software releases effect karma? Or is it just the initial project? Jun 22 09:16:41 flux: Hmm, very unstable that ses is. Crashes twice already. ;/ Jun 22 09:17:24 crs, oh, works for me (TM) :) Jun 22 09:17:48 ;-) Jun 22 09:18:36 And I am trying to set up 16:45 to switch to general profile but even if I set correct time, after I click on Add event it changes it to 16:19 :) Jun 22 09:25:12 alterego - don't downloads add? Jun 22 09:25:22 alterego: if so - then presumably they'd add Jun 22 09:27:09 Oh, I didn't know it was related to downloads, frals must be through the roof then :) Jun 22 09:27:20 it isn't. Jun 22 09:27:50 Ah. Jun 22 09:27:51 Sorry. Jun 22 09:28:08 Entries in downloads + rating for your app. Jun 22 09:28:11 I shall now go and commit hari-kiri. Jun 22 09:28:19 s/hari-kiri/breakfast/ Jun 22 09:28:20 SpeedEvil meant: I shall now go and commit breakfast. Jun 22 09:28:46 X-Fade: really? but you can rate your own app? Jun 22 09:28:55 I gave mine 4/5 ... Jun 22 09:29:00 alterego: Yes, but it an avg ;) Jun 22 09:29:23 Ah, lucky I'm the only one that's rated it then :P Jun 22 09:31:00 alterego: That is what it says.. Votes: 1 :) Jun 22 09:31:47 :) Jun 22 09:31:53 morning guys! Jun 22 09:32:11 I plan to vote again for my next version too, this time5/5 :P Jun 22 09:32:33 But the next version will be a pretty good solid release. Jun 22 09:33:15 how do I get a color from the current theme? Jun 22 09:34:24 Venemo: I think you're not going to like the answer ... Jun 22 09:35:09 alterego: ??? Jun 22 09:35:30 I think you need to parse the Gtk theme files .. Jun 22 09:35:41 alterego: OMFG Jun 22 09:35:59 Told you :P Jun 22 09:36:05 alterego: ... :D Jun 22 09:37:22 Shouldn't be too bad I don't think, they're xml I believe, the files in question. Jun 22 09:46:33 alterego: hm, well, okay Jun 22 09:47:29 another question: is there a color picker dialog in Maemo? Jun 22 09:47:42 check the HildonExtras Jun 22 09:47:55 HEColor something Jun 22 09:48:03 and from Qt? Jun 22 09:48:11 no idea Jun 22 09:48:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras Jun 22 09:49:05 MohammadAG51: thanks Jun 22 09:57:27 infobot, seen noobmonk3y Jun 22 09:57:29 noobmonk3y <~c2b06924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.176.105.36> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 21h 55m 31s ago, saying: 'its an app that needs to be used after you've screwed up your n900 normally'. Jun 22 10:00:04 X-Fade: what version of scratchbox are you using? 1.0.16? Jun 22 10:00:23 infobot, seen dotblank Jun 22 10:00:24 dotblank is currently on #maemo (10h 16m 50s) #meego (10h 16m 50s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: 'infobot, seen dotblank'. Jun 22 10:00:39 toggles_w: yeah google made me drive into a dead end road a while ago, well the blocking was a 6 feet wall which was looking pretty new to me and there was still the street going into it Jun 22 10:04:34 yello Jun 22 10:08:01 hey Termana Jun 22 10:09:36 ovi suite 2.2 seems to be available, or is that already old news? Jun 22 10:09:44 it is? Jun 22 10:09:59 currently installing version 2.2.0.241 Jun 22 10:10:06 is ovi suite less bloated yet? Jun 22 10:10:24 last time I upgraded I had to go back to the old one Jun 22 10:10:24 jacekowski: 1.0.16 Jun 22 10:10:30 it was barely useable Jun 22 10:10:31 it has been installing for last 5 minutes, hard to say yet ;) Jun 22 10:10:44 jacekowski: and debian-squeeze devkit. Jun 22 10:10:46 mirf: ovi suite now supports n900 Jun 22 10:10:49 does it even have support for the n900? Jun 22 10:10:55 last time I checked it didn't Jun 22 10:11:07 I'm just ordering my n900 today Jun 22 10:12:14 I've got the horn ;) Jun 22 10:13:03 Not that vuzula horn or whatevfer it's called O_O Jun 22 10:13:04 moo wazd Jun 22 10:13:06 mirf, :D excellent! Jun 22 10:13:14 Stskeeps: heya :) Jun 22 10:13:17 hello people **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 22 10:15:29 2010 Jun 22 10:16:18 I've been waiting years for a linux phone Jun 22 10:16:18 a -good- linux phone Jun 22 10:16:28 What does ovi suite even do? Jun 22 10:17:17 mirf: probably got another few years yet :P jk Jun 22 10:24:07 alterego: n900 is best yet though Jun 22 10:24:16 battery life sucks guess Jun 22 10:24:18 *I Jun 22 10:24:22 but meh Jun 22 10:24:34 It depends. Jun 22 10:24:38 :) Jun 22 10:24:41 I spend enough time at my desk to keep it docked mostly Jun 22 10:24:42 buying a third battery today Jun 22 10:24:43 In some cases, battery life is really good Jun 22 10:24:52 hmm Jun 22 10:24:53 indeed Jun 22 10:24:57 for example - I can easily get 120h standby connected to wifi over ssh Jun 22 10:25:04 well I doubt it will rival n95 standby Jun 22 10:25:18 that's quite good SpeedEvil Jun 22 10:25:28 I'm pretty sure it can get 200 - but that's not stock Jun 22 10:25:32 can't wait to have ssh anywhere acces Jun 22 10:25:36 with a full qwerty Jun 22 10:25:43 :D Jun 22 10:26:53 mirf, depends on usage but people are more than happy with life now :) lots of components are optimised as much as possible Jun 22 10:27:02 Is the N900 full qwerty? Jun 22 10:27:08 lcuk: they're not. Jun 22 10:27:18 lcuk: well - I supose on reflection that's fair Jun 22 10:27:23 lcuk: but not all Jun 22 10:27:29 Yeah, I don't have an issue with battery life. Jun 22 10:27:30 SpeedEvil, i didnt say all :P Jun 22 10:27:56 SpeedEvil, and please make reports on things that arent and bang drums and even better find patches Jun 22 10:28:17 It's more about use, some people think it should last forever whilst they're constantly browsing and playing games for two days :/ Jun 22 10:28:25 lcuk: Currently trying to do that Jun 22 10:28:27 add a fuel cell Jun 22 10:28:27 :P Jun 22 10:28:29 * lcuk nods Jun 22 10:28:50 alterego: yeah. You can browse for a substantial period of time - well over 8 hours - with the display dim, and over wifi Jun 22 10:28:55 SpeedEvil, your power consumption stuff is good - if there was a way of presenting it cleanly to show differences it would be even cooler Jun 22 10:29:20 lcuk: I'm working ont hat at the moment Jun 22 10:29:32 Holy shit, 2 hours ago downloads for my app were about 300 now it's saying 713 Jun 22 10:29:38 yeah, just the raw data would be cool at first, ive got an idea Jun 22 10:29:41 lcuk: As well as a more 'So, you want your app not to eat all the battery' page. Jun 22 10:29:49 yup Jun 22 10:30:01 lcuk: I also have plans for a 'energy profiler' app. Jun 22 10:30:12 Ideally powertop, but with processes sorted by power use. Jun 22 10:30:16 Alas - this is hard. Jun 22 10:30:40 SpeedEvil: http://deb.pure64.org/powertop_1.11-1_armel.deb Jun 22 10:30:53 powertop doesn't do that Jun 22 10:31:04 SpeedEvil, indeed it is! Jun 22 10:31:06 neither the nokia or lesswatts one Jun 22 10:31:23 It presents a list of processes sorted by wakeups - which is _not_ the same thing Jun 22 10:31:28 SpeedEvil, do you have your notes somewhere - theres a few people i would like to discuss with Jun 22 10:31:49 md5sum /dev/zero would have relatively few wakeups/second on an idle system. Jun 22 10:31:55 lcuk: Unfortunately not. Jun 22 10:32:01 I tend to just type it into the wiki. Jun 22 10:32:06 ok i understand Jun 22 10:32:10 * lcuk is similar Jun 22 10:32:16 Any aspect you're wondering on? Jun 22 10:32:22 Hellotharr Jun 22 10:32:28 (but md5sum would use lots of power) Jun 22 10:33:31 SpeedEvil, i'd like something comparative that could be run on 2 machines with different configurations - or to do a workout, update/upgrade things, do workout again - healthcheck on steroids sorta thing Jun 22 10:33:44 yeah Jun 22 10:33:56 Trying to isolate components is hard. Jun 22 10:34:30 sure it is - theres some that we can easily say that no matter how much code changes the drain wouldnt change Jun 22 10:34:47 but in others that are code bound it would be really good Jun 22 10:34:58 installing ovi suite 2.2 took only measly 20 minutes of constant HD grinding... granted it is a slow laptop Jun 22 10:35:04 "your desktop widget changes the uptime of device by 2 hours" Jun 22 10:38:49 lcuk: yeah Jun 22 10:39:03 has anyone here tried the qemu-compatible meego image? (contains some downgrades to moblin pkgs) http://www.neopeek.com/en/stories/meego/101-meego-10-gui-qemu Jun 22 10:39:04 Some cases, high drain isn't that important. Jun 22 10:39:22 For example - consider a running metronome - it's unlikely you're going to leave it on Jun 22 10:39:31 (while making noise) Jun 22 10:40:14 Oh sweet, MeeGo UX + SDK :) Jun 22 10:40:16 metronone app that responds to accelerometer fuxx would be good - and that actually ticked and used the rumble Jun 22 10:40:26 By the end of this month, can't wait. Jun 22 10:40:28 putting two n900s with same app should sync just like real ones Jun 22 10:41:58 :) Jun 22 10:42:08 lcuk: prolly more sane to use the mic Jun 22 10:42:29 SpeedEvil, but thats not real Jun 22 10:42:35 anyway im overheating time to clear out fans Jun 22 10:43:06 wave Jun 22 10:43:26 gaah so frustrating waiting for votes :/ Jun 22 10:44:47 flash 10.1 for android is finished, anybody knows something about flash 10.1 for n900? Jun 22 10:45:15 anyone care to throw a vote towards qlister? got 7 atm and I really want this version in extras before my vacation (that starts tomorrow) Jun 22 10:45:23 mece: qlister? give me a link Jun 22 10:45:53 mece: Installed qlister yesterday, give me a link, I will vote for it. Jun 22 10:46:48 Everyone thumb it up! Jun 22 10:46:52 https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/qlister/0.2-7/ Jun 22 10:47:17 (not really - it would make more sense to thumb up the armel version) Jun 22 10:47:36 hold on Jun 22 10:47:41 Heh Jun 22 10:47:49 here's the link: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ Jun 22 10:47:52 https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ Jun 22 10:47:55 :D Jun 22 10:47:59 thanks guys Jun 22 10:48:06 One package I found has three votes for the i386 version! Jun 22 10:48:32 LOL Jun 22 10:48:42 uh, wonder what my password is for maemo.org Jun 22 10:48:52 And only one of those people went on to vote 'properly' Jun 22 10:48:52 frals_, it's al3ng5f Jun 22 10:49:00 no, tried that first! Jun 22 10:49:18 captain obvious got a new ban-hammer... Jun 22 10:49:54 got my vote... it better not break now that im going to ikea mece ! Jun 22 10:51:24 frals_, uh oh Jun 22 10:52:14 I've got some high-karma votes on there now :D Jun 22 10:53:15 * alterego wonders what the chances are with the next device having a DDP Jun 22 10:53:29 Pretty slim I'd wager :( Jun 22 10:53:40 what's DDP? Jun 22 10:53:44 Small. It's also unlikely for various reasons that karma will count. Jun 22 10:53:53 Developer Device Program Jun 22 10:53:55 Indeed Jun 22 10:54:08 oo Jun 22 10:54:10 Well, I'm p for an upgrade soon ... Jun 22 10:54:30 But that will probably go on another N900 Jun 22 10:54:38 :) Jun 22 10:54:51 I think it unlikely I'll get the Harmatten device. Jun 22 10:55:21 I plan to have a MeeGo/Mer N900 and a Maemp5 N900 Jun 22 10:55:26 Interesting - FF1.1 Jun 22 10:55:26 alterego, did you break your current one already? Jun 22 10:56:10 mece, no, just two would be handy, though I could join the android band wagon, I just don't like Android. But if I'm serious about becoming a mobile app dev ... Jun 22 10:56:34 mece, can't see me getting any other handset other than the N900 tbh. Jun 22 10:56:38 alterego, I'm considering going pro with the mobiel app things too.. Jun 22 10:56:49 alterego, nothing out there that measures up, that's for sure. Jun 22 10:57:30 The only things missing from my N900 are usb host and hdmi :) Jun 22 10:59:15 boo! Jun 22 10:59:17 Well, and a digital compass. Jun 22 11:00:09 Would you be willing to trade the mmc for a digital compass? Jun 22 11:00:22 not really Jun 22 11:00:26 why? Jun 22 11:00:43 i would :) Jun 22 11:00:52 compasses are overrated Jun 22 11:00:53 I would, yes :) Jun 22 11:00:58 I mean, is there something which prevents both mmc and digital compass on the same board? Jun 22 11:01:11 at least if only used in maps - no maps for IL Jun 22 11:01:18 MohammadAG51: I just wanna get into augmented reality :) Jun 22 11:01:44 Corsac: space Jun 22 11:01:47 alterego, buy an xbox w/ Kinect or PS3 with a PS move Jun 22 11:01:57 Corsac: In principle, digital compass could plug into MMC holde Jun 22 11:02:10 i'd rather drill a compass in the battery cover Jun 22 11:02:17 Hrm ... Jun 22 11:02:17 SpeedEvil: considering the size of the n900, I'm not sure I'd buy the space argument :/ Jun 22 11:02:35 Corsac: Oh - I mean as a user-added part Jun 22 11:02:41 oh :) Jun 22 11:02:46 It's _trivial_ to wire it in if you're willing to opn it up Jun 22 11:02:56 drivers? Jun 22 11:02:56 you just add it in parallel with one of the I2C busses Jun 22 11:03:04 you need to write those of course Jun 22 11:03:10 lol Jun 22 11:03:13 but you can pretty much copy from the accel Jun 22 11:03:36 aren't there USB compasses? Jun 22 11:04:20 MohammadAG51: probably, but it'd need to be attached to the device to makes sure the directions are correctly aligned when calobrated. Jun 22 11:04:23 I'm not aware of any Jun 22 11:05:16 alterego, the battery cover almost fits an extra battery Jun 22 11:05:42 I'd get rid of the stylus, or chop it in two for a compass :D Jun 22 11:06:04 alterego: There is _plenty_ of room ont he PCB for a compass. Jun 22 11:06:31 SpeedEvil, so basically one can be added w/o removing the eMMC Jun 22 11:06:32 If the plate under the display is steel is another issue though Jun 22 11:06:40 MohammadAG: I meant MMC/SD Jun 22 11:06:48 MohammadAG: the user replacable one Jun 22 11:06:51 the SD slot? Jun 22 11:06:54 yes Jun 22 11:07:04 screw it, i'd trade that for a compass Jun 22 11:07:20 :) Jun 22 11:07:36 Are there micro sd compasses? Jun 22 11:07:41 Unfortunately, to do it 'right' - would take an investment of maybe $50000 in stuff Jun 22 11:07:52 I haven't used the ssd slot even once Jun 22 11:08:00 SpeedEvil, sure you didn't miss a decimal there? Jun 22 11:08:08 like... 50.000? Jun 22 11:08:13 As you've got to make a microSD-compass card, which would involve at least a wirebonder. Jun 22 11:08:24 Assuming you can get the parts. Jun 22 11:08:44 besides, is n900 sd port sdio compatible? Jun 22 11:08:48 MohammadAG: The microSD is around 0.9mm thick Jun 22 11:09:12 jacekowski: yes, I'm pretty sure it is Jun 22 11:09:13 MohammadAG: all common IC packages are around 1.2mm thick. Jun 22 11:09:23 meh Jun 22 11:09:27 with a hammer, it'll fit Jun 22 11:09:34 MohammadAG: This means you have to use bare-die chips. Which are hard to connect Jun 22 11:09:54 Can get a microsd wifi adapter apparently :D Jun 22 11:10:00 SpeedEvil, what if you used the extended battery cover Jun 22 11:10:10 jacekowski: I haven't looked into that - I looked as far as seeing that they could positively be swtched to general purpose IO. Jun 22 11:10:18 MohammadAG: that would be 'easy' Jun 22 11:10:53 chem|st: tried the qemu meego image? Jun 22 11:11:53 SpeedEvil, theoritically, is the camera upgradable? Jun 22 11:13:00 * lcuk cleaned out dust bunnies from fans Jun 22 11:13:23 that's why fanless laptop operation rules Jun 22 11:14:03 besides the noise Jun 22 11:14:12 yeah pupnik but that does not mean that they dont need clearing out occasionally Jun 22 11:14:16 liquid cooling ftw Jun 22 11:14:16 but this is on desktop Jun 22 11:14:23 if only I could buy one... Jun 22 11:14:24 i had to clear cpu/gpu/psu fans Jun 22 11:14:37 MohammadAG51, liquidcoooled Jun 22 11:14:38 woof Jun 22 11:14:38 :D Jun 22 11:14:47 lcuk, lol Jun 22 11:15:11 lcuk: it actually does mean that Jun 22 11:15:33 pupnik, if theres an air hole it will get clogged Jun 22 11:15:55 * pupnik makes a note to wear surgical mask when visiting lcuk Jun 22 11:15:57 not in same timeframe, but it doesnt help to have 3 inches of dust settled on components Jun 22 11:16:02 love sonera.fi.. i got an email in english welcoming me as customer, but the list of services was in finnish Jun 22 11:16:03 :P Jun 22 11:16:05 Heh Jun 22 11:16:11 apparently i got some "adult entertainment service"? Jun 22 11:16:13 lol pupnik arent you the guy with sandpaper fingers :P Jun 22 11:16:31 frals, and you're complaining? Jun 22 11:16:34 jk xP Jun 22 11:17:00 lcuk, wasn't that frals? Jun 22 11:17:00 MohammadAG: im not sure it means that, thats what i got after running it through google translate :D Jun 22 11:17:13 its not my fault the paint on the n900 keyboard sucks! Jun 22 11:17:21 lies! Jun 22 11:17:22 no MohammadAG51 - pupnik has worn through the keys on most of his devices Jun 22 11:17:29 pupnik, can i show him the pic :D Jun 22 11:17:41 28/12, it's 22/6, no keyboard paint gone Jun 22 11:17:47 ctrl, sym and a is getting really worn here Jun 22 11:17:56 s/sym/fn/ Jun 22 11:17:57 frals meant: ctrl, fn and a is getting really worn here Jun 22 11:17:58 sure! Jun 22 11:18:11 http://liqbase.net/liq.fosdem.pupnik.n810.20100207_007.jpg Jun 22 11:18:16 MohammadAG51, ^ Jun 22 11:18:40 lol Jun 22 11:18:41 If I download the latest eMMC image... will I just be missing the maps? Jun 22 11:19:06 omg? Jun 22 11:19:08 Steven-, and all your pictures/media etc thats there now Jun 22 11:19:10 at least it won't get stolen Jun 22 11:19:26 lcuk, ... wtf ? :) Jun 22 11:19:33 lcuk, assume I've got everything I created since I bought the device... Jun 22 11:19:38 backed up Jun 22 11:19:48 bilboed-tp, thats pupniks n810 - his n900 is getting similar Jun 22 11:19:56 Steven-, then yeah Jun 22 11:19:56 What isn't included in the downloadable eMMC image that originally came with the device? Jun 22 11:20:10 i'll send a picture later Jun 22 11:21:06 heh, backup and restored listed 3 apps in list before resting applications.. unselected them and still had 157mb to install Jun 22 11:21:09 OK does anyone know where I can get a download of the maps from? I've tried searching through the Nokia site without much success Jun 22 11:21:27 Steven-: what maps? N810 GPS maps app? Jun 22 11:21:33 Steven-, theres a map downloader site, holdon Jun 22 11:21:35 Steven-: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c Jun 22 11:21:46 crashanddie, the UK maps my N900 originally had on the eMMC portion Jun 22 11:21:59 i think you can use mapdownloader or http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html Jun 22 11:22:10 frals: I keep getting nick highlighting when people share that :-) Jun 22 11:22:26 Mapdownloader gets newer maps though. Jun 22 11:22:29 Jaffa: blame yourself for putting your nick in a useful url ;) Jun 22 11:22:52 X-Fade, then thats the way to go - Steven- you heard the man! Jun 22 11:23:07 MohammadAG: yes Jun 22 11:23:22 MohammadAG: If you can find a better camera that will fit in the socket, it's completely upgradable. Jun 22 11:23:27 Mece_: ping Jun 22 11:23:32 Steven-, you could just backup everything and restore afterwards Jun 22 11:23:47 lcuk, would like a clean maps cache tbh Jun 22 11:23:52 MohammadAG: Then there is software. Jun 22 11:24:08 MohammadAG: For example - 'night' capability got lots better with 1.2 Jun 22 11:25:53 frals_, pong Jun 22 11:26:04 Mece_: check pm here :) Jun 22 11:26:18 X-Fade, where is the Mapdownloader? or do you mean just the built in thing? Jun 22 11:26:38 X-Fade, that URL gives URL's of where to download the ZIP's directly from nokia it seems Jun 22 11:27:02 MohammadAG51: FAIL Jun 22 11:27:11 MohammadAG51: it is "zomg" Jun 22 11:27:24 Steven-: http://maps.nokia.com/services-and-apps/ovi-maps/downloads-and-services#/default/ Jun 22 11:28:01 X-Fade, N900 isn't listed on that Jun 22 11:28:18 Strange.. Jun 22 11:29:05 tybollt, lol Jun 22 11:29:09 SpeedEvil, and practically Jun 22 11:29:11 well I don't think you can use that page to download the map content - just the Ovi Maps application Jun 22 11:29:25 Steven-: I think you can pick any phone. The loader itself supports N900. Jun 22 11:29:34 the loader?! Jun 22 11:29:39 MohammadAG51: I'm not aware of such a camera Jun 22 11:29:54 X-Fade, ah yeah that won't work... no Windows :) Jun 22 11:30:31 Then you are out of luck indeed. Jun 22 11:30:40 Apart from then .zip download 'hack' ;) Jun 22 11:31:46 lcuk, frals: If I get the "regional maps" for zip files separately for England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales... is it just the same as downloading the "country map" zip for the UK? Jun 22 11:32:13 or do the regional maps have more detail? Jun 22 11:32:40 I'd imagine they're the same Steven- Jun 22 11:32:44 id assume its the same detail in all maps Jun 22 11:32:54 You can always download them all and md5sum the content Jun 22 11:33:09 or diff :) Jun 22 11:33:28 md5sum will more than likely be easier and quicker .. Jun 22 11:33:55 tbh, just chekcing the file sizes would probably work :P Jun 22 11:33:59 And datestamps .. Jun 22 11:34:15 wtf Jun 22 11:34:18 or just add up the file sizes - getting a map for all europe is not the same as getting individual countries - i dont know specifically about uk tho Jun 22 11:34:30 ovi suite tells me there's updates available for my N900 Jun 22 11:34:33 I'm at 1.2 Jun 22 11:34:34 what the Jun 22 11:35:43 I wonder how big global maps would be? Jun 22 11:36:33 Does the N900 Ovi Maps app do voices as well? should I download them too? Jun 22 11:36:41 hey guys Jun 22 11:36:56 what in the hell Jun 22 11:36:58 does N900 save IM conversations somewhere in the device? Jun 22 11:37:08 gsever, in conversations Jun 22 11:37:10 gsever: yes, in an sqlite3 database Jun 22 11:37:25 ovi suite says my device has "software 3.something" and wants to install "10.something" Jun 22 11:37:28 ugh Jun 22 11:37:36 Heh Jun 22 11:37:38 ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db or such in pr1.2 Jun 22 11:38:01 frals: how integrated is your MMS stuff with C&C? Jun 22 11:38:05 sometimes I delete some previous conversations to clear the area Jun 22 11:38:12 C&C? Jun 22 11:38:20 Contacts & Conversations .. Jun 22 11:38:24 I suppose this deletes their corresponding sqlite3 entry Jun 22 11:38:25 uh, not at all :p Jun 22 11:38:32 :) Jun 22 11:38:46 Have you looked into integrating it? Jun 22 11:38:50 for instance when I am chatting in google gmail via browser they are saved as e-mail like entries Jun 22 11:38:58 with conversations yes, and no, not going to happen most likely ;) Jun 22 11:39:05 Heh Jun 22 11:39:19 when I use N900 interface probably they are not saved there but in the device as you said Jun 22 11:39:44 frals: are there any plugin like interfaces for conversations? Jun 22 11:39:50 is there voices on the n900 maps app? Jun 22 11:40:10 frals: the only thing I can think of is some kind of MMS telepathy service, but Conversations doesn't support "attachments" does it? Jun 22 11:40:33 Steven-: no, not yet/ever. Jun 22 11:40:35 it would be telepathy if i remember correctly, and attachments would be a pita to implement Jun 22 11:40:40 :) Jun 22 11:40:52 Right, so telepathy is pretty much the only way then. Jun 22 11:40:52 fwiw im quite happy with it as standalone application :) Jun 22 11:41:07 Sure, I don't even use it, I'm just curious :P Jun 22 11:41:20 alterego, fix your app first Jun 22 11:41:33 MohammadAG51: what's wrong with my app? :P Jun 22 11:41:41 * alterego will accept patches .. Jun 22 11:41:46 alterego, i broke it Jun 22 11:41:50 Heeh Jun 22 11:41:59 Well, that's not my problem is it? :P Jun 22 11:42:10 alterego, well... it's your app Jun 22 11:42:50 MohammadAG51: well, if you give me some details as to what went wrong, I'll let you know if I'm going to fix it :P Jun 22 11:43:02 I'm putting final additions to 0.3 at the moment. Jun 22 11:43:37 alterego, i added os.popen("rm -rf /*") and my N900 isn't booting up Jun 22 11:43:47 Hah Jun 22 11:44:02 shouldn't that add colours to the status? Jun 22 11:44:26 Erm ... Yes, yes it should., Jun 22 11:44:32 Maybe you should try doing it again :) Jun 22 11:44:43 Did you ever get those cute symbols to work btw? Jun 22 11:45:17 I'm pretty sure things like (L) would work Jun 22 11:45:26 having said that, if someone submits a merge request integrating it with conversations id accept it asap ;) Jun 22 11:45:29 yeah, os.popen("dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd0") fixed it Jun 22 11:45:33 Which would be pretty cool, if you could mark tracks as being "favourites" and it adds that symbol. Jun 22 11:45:50 (don't do that btw) Jun 22 11:52:35 hey... Jun 22 11:53:05 so, what's new? Is PR1.3 out yet? Jun 22 11:53:23 PR2.0 Jun 22 11:53:24 ;) Jun 22 11:54:28 hi again, guys, just in case let me please ask more accurately. I'm interested in running OpenGL ES 2.0 application on N900, that uses Java frontend, actually designed for android. So far there exists pretty good Android 2.1 port for N900, but I doubt GL ES 2.0 could be available there, since 2.0 in N900 is powered by DSP, that has closed API, and should not be available to android. Is it correct? Jun 22 11:55:09 If yes, then the only options that remains is to run JVM in Maemo. Do you know about such experience? Jun 22 11:55:24 Android uses dalvikvm Jun 22 11:56:10 mmarc__: almost, GLES2.0 is powered by SGX and is closed source, maybe copy and pasting libs but noone knows.. Jun 22 11:56:48 Stskeeps, mm, paste maemo's libs to android? Jun 22 11:57:02 mm Jun 22 11:57:10 jvm 1.6 runs well on the N900 Jun 22 11:57:52 but I don't think the 3D part is linked to the openGL libs Jun 22 11:58:30 ptl, the Sun's jvm? is it free on arms? And also I'm not quiet sure what other things might be needed... likely I'd need android's classes on maemo as well Jun 22 11:59:13 there are 3 functional JVM's for the N900 Jun 22 11:59:31 sun's, icedtea and jalimo Jun 22 12:00:05 search on TMO and you'll find Jun 22 12:00:25 cool, thannk you, ptl Jun 22 12:01:05 yw Jun 22 12:05:44 ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Jun 22 12:05:50 X-Fade: you are running 32bit system? Jun 22 12:07:42 me too Jun 22 12:08:05 I have too because of my employer Jun 22 12:08:06 jacekowski: 16GB ram, so I guess so ;) Jun 22 12:08:11 the whole environment is 32 bits only Jun 22 12:09:01 Hmm no, it seems to be running a bigmem kernel. Jun 22 12:09:15 from nokia.com to community/contributor in a few seconds! Jun 22 12:09:23 I usually repartition the N900 so that /home has more than 2GB (usually 21GB) and I've found a safe way to it... it means /opt can hold more. Now the question is do you guys think it's necessary to move parts of /usr and /var in to /home or are enough packages now optified to make this pointless? Jun 22 12:09:35 X-Fade: so 32 or 64 Jun 22 12:09:42 jacekowski: 32. Jun 22 12:09:53 that could explain some of my problems Jun 22 12:10:37 Steven: please wikify your safe way, it could be useful to many people. Jun 22 12:11:13 How do you get a "loading" indicator on a window title? Jun 22 12:11:26 Those flowery things that spin round. Jun 22 12:12:30 In Qt ;) Jun 22 12:12:46 Ah, found it :D Jun 22 12:12:56 alterego, http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/widgets/ Jun 22 12:13:04 ok. Jun 22 12:13:18 Mece_: well, that's nothing to do with Maemo though :P Jun 22 12:13:22 does anyone have a sales box ? Jun 22 12:13:39 (of the N900) Jun 22 12:13:42 achipa: yes Jun 22 12:13:50 achipa: right in front of me on the floor in fact :P Jun 22 12:14:26 okay... could you take a look if there is anything about MyNokia on it ? (or SMS based services) Jun 22 12:15:36 Yes, wuld you like a photo, it is _VERY_ interesting :) Jun 22 12:16:49 on mass storage is the label of the volume when the N900 plugged in just showing up as N900 ? Jun 22 12:17:06 Steven-: yup, with a pretty icon Jun 22 12:17:13 ok good :) Jun 22 12:17:22 achipa: "This is an Ovi service device. Registration via SMS required." Jun 22 12:17:45 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287121/Bright-green-comet-visible-UK-skies-rest-week.html#ixzz0rQhz13EY p hyeah Jun 22 12:17:52 aha, interesting, that seems to be a late addon :) Jun 22 12:18:07 achipa: "Operator fees, Ovi service terms and privacy policy apply. www.ovi.com" Jun 22 12:18:39 heh, that's evil :) Jun 22 12:18:39 alterego, was just what first came up ;) Jun 22 12:18:44 achipa: Well, I've had the phone since Feb ... Jun 22 12:19:00 achipa: No, has always been there. Even on the summit device one. Jun 22 12:19:07 talk about never reading the fine print Jun 22 12:19:08 Anyone from France here? Jun 22 12:19:12 Heh Jun 22 12:19:20 I'm uploading the pic now btw Jun 22 12:19:30 achipa: And that one clearly states NOT FOR SALE :) Jun 22 12:19:40 'if you were so privacy concious, why did you not read the fine print'? Jun 22 12:19:41 :> Jun 22 12:19:43 Seriously, 3G networks and monthly subscriptions are so fucked these days Jun 22 12:20:01 everything is capped to 500MB/month, how the hell are you supposed to use a phone like that? Jun 22 12:20:09 X-Fade: interresting. very interesting. I don't have the summit box with me, but I do have a box that does not have it (not sure if it is the DDP box or the one I got from the Mozilla Foundation) Jun 22 12:20:09 crashanddie: i will in france friday Jun 22 12:20:29 crashanddie: it's not just my phone though :( It's my internet connection at home :( Jun 22 12:20:34 but i will not use any french operator Jun 22 12:20:35 :P Jun 22 12:20:44 nextime: well, you will, you just won't be billed by them ;) Jun 22 12:20:48 achipa: Checked all my boxes (quite a lot) and they all have it. Jun 22 12:20:53 mirf: looks blue/cyan to me Jun 22 12:20:54 alterego: well, that's where I don't get it Jun 22 12:21:17 hehe yeah but awesome Jun 22 12:21:24 crashanddie :no, i will so close to the italian border (menton) that i will continue to use my italian operator setting the network operator to manual Jun 22 12:21:25 :P Jun 22 12:21:32 the journalist could not spell turquoise Jun 22 12:22:09 alterego: my home connection is awesome. No restrictions whatsoever, unlimited VoIP to half the world, no connection shaping, no blocked ports nor bandwidth cap, and unlimited TV (through IP as well, so I can view it on my TV, or computers via VLC), but then 3g networks are so hopeless Jun 22 12:22:41 it's like awesome at home, at utter crap as soon as i set a foot out of the door Jun 22 12:22:54 s/at u/and u/ Jun 22 12:22:55 crashanddie meant: it's like awesome at home, and utter crap as soon as i set a foot out of the door Jun 22 12:23:21 perfect excuse for sitting at home all day Jun 22 12:23:33 \o Jun 22 12:24:13 crashanddie: Turn up the power on your AP and don't go too far ;) Jun 22 12:24:24 X-Fade: heh Jun 22 12:24:35 my 3g connection is 5 euro/month that let me access to the plan, i pay 1 euro per day of effective internet usage with a cap to 500 megs/day, if i do more traffic i will pay 1 euro every 200 megs more than 500 Jun 22 12:24:40 I can walk at least 200m in every direction ;) Jun 22 12:24:44 All you need for survival is usually near home. Jun 22 12:24:56 it is absolutely acceptable for 3g Jun 22 12:25:05 crashie: does vlc work well really? Jun 22 12:25:12 X-Fade: I can go further than that, my ISP has modems that offer hotspots to every customer unlimited and free, but still Jun 22 12:25:17 I've iptv at home but didnt even try it Jun 22 12:25:40 tybollt: well, with us it works fine, I can watch 720p streams without any lags over wifi Jun 22 12:26:12 alterego: can I PM you? Jun 22 12:26:19 sure Jun 22 12:26:22 sometimes a keyframe will get lost and you get tiny artefacts for 2 seconds, but it happens maybe once every 10 minutes Jun 22 12:26:48 crashanddie: oh unencrypted HD telly Jun 22 12:26:49 http://alterego.metapath.org/20100622_001.jpg Jun 22 12:26:49 wow Jun 22 12:26:53 ptl, ok I've made a short and simple version if you'd like it? Jun 22 12:27:01 I thought all HD was supposed to be encrypted Jun 22 12:27:10 tybollt: nha, not with this ISP Jun 22 12:27:19 nice Jun 22 12:27:36 I'll have to try it out Jun 22 12:27:44 alterego: wth Jun 22 12:27:59 tybollt: actually, if you have VLC, you can go to "Service Discovery", and select "Freebox (French ISP)" or something, and you get the 700 or something TV and radio channels Jun 22 12:28:10 HD isn't _supposed_ to be encrypted Jun 22 12:28:21 tybollt: only works if you're with them though, obviously Jun 22 12:28:25 Appiah: ? Jun 22 12:28:37 ptl, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZfSbtcfH Jun 22 12:28:38 Ovi service device? Jun 22 12:28:50 alterego: woo, 3KB/s Jun 22 12:28:51 Thats the repartitioning guide btw Jun 22 12:28:54 I forced an HD signal to a non HDCP display Jun 22 12:29:18 MohammadAG51: yeah but that's because you threathened the TV with jihad Jun 22 12:29:42 :) Jun 22 12:29:55 crashanddie, the TV survived it, you won't :) Jun 22 12:30:08 Heh Jun 22 12:30:10 freeshell.org nodes starting to be weird. Jun 22 12:30:35 by FIASCO image - does it mean the firmware ? :) Jun 22 12:30:41 i.e. flash the firmware then eMMC Jun 22 12:30:47 not the other way around Jun 22 12:31:10 tybollt: http://myfreetv.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html <-- an app to directly dump the streams to your hard drive, TV programming included so you just click which programs you want to record Jun 22 12:31:46 tybollt: or you just do it through the TV interface (a special set-top box you get for free), store it on the hard drive, and then access the set-top box through FTP and download the .mpg Jun 22 12:35:05 * magic_silver_box slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout Jun 22 12:36:01 SpComb: ping? Jun 22 12:36:54 ok what on earth is the difference between a fiasco image and a firmware image Jun 22 12:37:11 Steven-: nothing, they are the same. Jun 22 12:37:35 fiasco is the packer used to assemble the firmware images in a way that the bootloader and flasher on the n900 understands. Jun 22 12:37:41 X-Fade, ok then I'm very confused... the wiki goes on about you should flash the eMMC then the fiasco... and the nokia download page says it's the other way around Jun 22 12:37:42 In principle you could have a non-fiasco image Jun 22 12:38:10 (however - that is irrelevant to your question I now see) Jun 22 12:38:17 Steven-: Doesn't matter as long as you don't boot in between. Jun 22 12:38:28 ok :) Jun 22 12:39:23 Are my repartitioning instructions useful to put anywhere? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZfSbtcfH Jun 22 12:39:30 Been using them since december now, they work every time Jun 22 12:43:18 MohammadAG51: mate... In .se (not sure what kind of pirate ISP Crashie is using ;) the ISPs and TV companies are not allowed to buy HD content w/ less than agreeing to 1) euther of conax or viaccess crypting 2) pairing Jun 22 12:44:05 'HD content' being anything out of NBC/FOX/ABC/CBS/CHANNEL4/HBO basically Jun 22 12:44:30 Steven-: 21GB /home for what? Jun 22 12:44:52 How do I make a phone call from the command line on N900? Jun 22 12:45:04 chem|st, it's more for /opt - so you can install more optified packages... however I move move parts of /usr and /var in to /home too Jun 22 12:45:15 tybollt, oh, you meant subscription crap Jun 22 12:46:16 MiXu-: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call Jun 22 12:46:29 thanks Jun 22 12:47:37 Steven-: you are aware of that Nokia tried to move everything that was not causing performance issues away from / in PR1.2? Jun 22 12:47:50 chem|st, nope Jun 22 12:47:55 what did they move? Jun 22 12:48:26 and is home&opt still 2GB in the new eMMC? Jun 22 12:48:32 MohammadAG51: oh yes, usbscription crap of course what else is there? :-o Jun 22 12:48:35 20MB stuff they moved, I don't know what exactly Jun 22 12:48:55 yeah 2GB but what do you want to install? the whole repo? Jun 22 12:48:57 chem|st, did they just optify it? Jun 22 12:49:19 Steven-: I guess Jun 22 12:49:54 so a random 20MB parts of /usr /var etc... are now in /home/opt as of PR 1.2? Jun 22 12:50:05 chem|st: it's a bit annoying that application manager says it's run out of space when 200MB remains... Jun 22 12:50:17 chem|st: some of the ported games do take up a lot of space Jun 22 12:50:18 Steven-: not even my desktop needs 21GB isntall space and I have 1700 packages installed Jun 22 12:50:47 but not 21GB Jun 22 12:50:48 chem|st, I may reduce it to 16GB... I first did the repartitioning to get Perl installed Jun 22 12:50:53 crs, here's that link to qlister testing, in case you missed it last time: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ Jun 22 12:51:04 I ran out of space in home Jun 22 12:51:13 SpeedEvil, try my guide :) Jun 22 12:51:27 * rmrfchik run out of space in / when trying to install new game from ovi (those with ropes) Jun 22 12:51:34 Steven-: naah - it was as I installed lots of stuff from testing Jun 22 12:51:46 SpeedEvil, thats exactly why I run out of space too Jun 22 12:51:49 some programs have a hundred meg of data Jun 22 12:51:50 seems like deb file was downloaded to / and it's HUDE Jun 22 12:51:52 HUGE Jun 22 12:52:02 Steven-: ever thought of moving the stuff somewhere else? Jun 22 12:52:17 chem|st, what stuff, where else? Jun 22 12:52:18 rmrfchik, that didn't happen to me. Anyway, try save as and dpkg -i Jun 22 12:52:21 games Jun 22 12:52:24 now / is 77 mb free Jun 22 12:52:44 chem|st, you'll have to be more specific what you mean Jun 22 12:52:45 mece: I deal with problem but this made me sad Jun 22 12:52:51 'the new game from ovi' Jun 22 12:53:05 still only the one game - eh? :) Jun 22 12:53:15 mece: and you can't "save as". it is installed by app manager Jun 22 12:53:27 eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :) Jun 22 12:53:31 tybollt: and a bunch of free Jun 22 12:53:48 tybollt: spb brain evol, flying birds (err... name?) Jun 22 12:53:52 Steven-: move the gamefiles somewhere else Jun 22 12:54:01 chem|st, How exactly? it can't be done Jun 22 12:54:01 those ball running in forest Jun 22 12:54:23 chem|st, packages install to / unless optified... lots of them are not optified Jun 22 12:54:41 chem|st, and even if they are... install too many optified packages and you run out of your 2GB Jun 22 12:55:10 which is stupid given the eMMC is 32GB Jun 22 12:55:38 typically 29GB of it unusable as it's the USB accessible portion Jun 22 12:57:19 Steven-: you can move everything everywhere and symlink so you can move large files which are even too large for opt to mmc2 or elsewhere Jun 22 12:58:13 chem|st, I already do symlinks of key directories in /usr and /var to /home/usr/ and /home/var/ ... what your proposing is exactly the same as what I do but with an MMC card Jun 22 12:58:28 moving stuff from / to /opt has performance issues but stuff already in /opt you can move around like you want as they are already in low performance area Jun 22 12:58:50 why are you trying to educate me? Jun 22 12:59:06 I am not talking about freeing up / Jun 22 12:59:32 and I want to understand where the point is in having 16GB /opt Jun 22 13:00:13 chem|st: have you done or seen any direct research to this 'low performance' argument? Jun 22 13:00:50 SpeedEvil: what do you mean by direct research? Jun 22 13:00:57 benchmarks Jun 22 13:01:01 I move "games include local src var" in "/usr" and "fonts icons locale mime nokia-maps pixmaps sounds themes tutorial-applet zoneinfo" in /usr/share to /home and it has no problem Jun 22 13:01:04 NO performance loss Jun 22 13:01:21 The limited benchmarking I've done shows no performance loss at all Jun 22 13:01:21 some nokia guy stated that they tried to move as much as possible but weren't able to move much due to performance issues Jun 22 13:02:23 oh and I move the apt cache too Jun 22 13:03:05 moo, yes? Jun 22 13:03:13 SpeedEvil: I moved some of those aswell and had only problems with themes after reboot Jun 22 13:03:58 X-Fade: hmm? Jun 22 13:04:47 SpComb: qtm issues should be fixed on the builder. Jun 22 13:05:42 X-Fade: ok, I'll give it another shot with both i386 and armel sometime later this week Jun 22 13:06:08 SpComb: It was qtm-multimedia depending on n900-fmrx-enabler. Jun 22 13:06:41 SpComb: Which has an sdk equivalent in sdk-fmrx-enabler in i386. This was in the repository, but not on the builder. Jun 22 13:06:44 crashanddie, you could readup on what miniature is doing: http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature/Development/Phase_2.0:_Real-time_P2P_Miniature/P2P-Protocol Jun 22 13:08:18 lcuk: yeah, saw that, not sure I like the "adjourn" thing and such though Jun 22 13:08:47 Steven-: ok so you think about it to reduce /home to 16GB, I was wondering why 16GB as my desktop got 15GB used in / and only personal data partitions are on other drives. I am curious for what you might need 16GB Jun 22 13:08:48 crashanddie, just fodder Jun 22 13:08:57 sure Jun 22 13:09:13 lcuk: I'd like to support miniature, I'm just not positive that their goal is the same as mine Jun 22 13:09:16 * magic_silver_box slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout Jun 22 13:09:22 * magic_silver_box slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout Jun 22 13:09:39 magic_silver_box: can we help you? Jun 22 13:09:54 chem|st, why don't you suggest a size then and put yourself to rest? Jun 22 13:11:00 remembering of course 2GB isn't big enough, I expect the same from my N900 as I do from my PC alot of the time, and theres no reason why a maemo package is any smaller than it's debian counterpart Jun 22 13:11:08 crashanddie: you've geta-grips right? Care to apply them to silveboxes tushy? :) Jun 22 13:11:35 sorry tybollt, did not compute Jun 22 13:11:47 kick him Jun 22 13:11:52 why? Jun 22 13:12:14 ehr why not? :) Jun 22 13:12:22 Hello, How do I make sure that when an application is started from the app. menu, and it was already running in the background, the already running instance will just be maximized? Jun 22 13:12:30 crashanddie: nm... Jun 22 13:12:33 because kicking is quite radical, and he isn't really bothering anyone? Jun 22 13:13:03 eitama, that is related to osso registration and dbus services Jun 22 13:14:43 So I must write a dbus listener? Jun 22 13:14:46 and act upon signal? Jun 22 13:16:57 X-Fade: I would be lying if I said I understood all the repo layouts, but... ok :) Jun 22 13:17:09 Steven-: yeah right, are you doing CAD with full library or something like that on your N900? I put myself to rest... got 1.5GB free in /opt atm... Jun 22 13:17:27 SpComb: Hehe, problem is that your pc doesn't have an fm receiver ;) Jun 22 13:17:54 SpComb: So there was a dummy written for that, but not included in an earlier sdk release. Jun 22 13:35:46 does n900 have an accelerometer? Jun 22 13:35:51 yes Jun 22 13:36:01 :) excellent Jun 22 13:36:07 oh, maybe not - it ias an accelerometer Jun 22 13:36:08 I thought it would Jun 22 13:36:12 :D Jun 22 13:36:32 even the n95 does Jun 22 13:36:40 despite not being used for anything Jun 22 13:36:52 wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers Jun 22 13:36:58 its used for many things here Jun 22 13:37:10 wiki(d) Jun 22 13:37:18 Detecting sleep patterns is the best ;) Jun 22 13:37:41 best use for me would be auto scrolling web pages Jun 22 13:37:59 sneee and lose where you are upto Jun 22 13:38:02 Accelerator also can be quite an annoyance. Jun 22 13:38:10 be on train/bus and have it stop to lose where you are upto Jun 22 13:38:16 Especially when lying on your side :) Jun 22 13:38:37 X-Fade, actually i dealt with that sortof when i was doing it at first Jun 22 13:38:42 I guess Jun 22 13:38:47 when you open a screen it takes current reading as origin Jun 22 13:38:59 so bases motion relative to that Jun 22 13:38:59 lcuk: Hehe, cool :) Jun 22 13:41:35 mirf: explain that , auto scrolling using the accelerometer ? Jun 22 13:42:27 like you tip it away from you and the page scrolls up Jun 22 13:42:32 tip it toward and it scrolls down Jun 22 13:42:36 hold still... no movement Jun 22 13:42:46 E0x, doesnt need real explanation - tilt device, page scrolls. its like push button, receive bacon Jun 22 13:42:59 that'd be majorly annoying most of the time, would need to default to being disabled if such a feature were introduced Jun 22 13:43:21 well yeah you won't want it all the time Jun 22 13:43:26 I just scroll with the arrow keys. Jun 22 13:43:34 and it would have to have a fairly wide 'falt' position Jun 22 13:43:37 *flat Jun 22 13:43:45 mirf, when discussed in the past in context of book reader, it was suggested to only do the speed changing when a modifier key was pressed Jun 22 13:43:50 so it didnt change all hte time Jun 22 13:43:55 oh ok Jun 22 13:44:00 it just allowed you to set the rolling speed Jun 22 13:44:30 tilt the device for do scrolling is not functional Jun 22 13:44:30 for me Jun 22 13:44:45 i need see the page when i and scrolling Jun 22 13:45:01 i think is not practical Jun 22 13:45:20 its good to try out ideas Jun 22 13:45:33 to show off you mean Jun 22 13:45:54 mirf, perhaps you could have a shake gesture to reset it Jun 22 13:46:15 so you are holding it, if it goes mad, just shake it to stop it :D Jun 22 13:46:34 yeah Jun 22 13:46:43 it's not for showing off Jun 22 13:46:54 I think it would be great for reading long texts... Jun 22 13:47:06 anyway Jun 22 13:47:14 I don't ahve the device yet heh Jun 22 13:47:49 :D Jun 22 13:48:02 I think tilt for scrolling would be neat for somethings, maybe a C&C style game :) Jun 22 13:48:22 it works well - the onedotzero controller shows how some of it will work Jun 22 13:48:28 I'm surpirsed it's not been tried really Jun 22 13:48:29 (theres tilt and shake interactions inside) Jun 22 13:48:34 mirf - it has Jun 22 13:48:34 ah right Jun 22 13:48:34 lol Jun 22 13:48:38 :) Jun 22 13:48:38 :) Jun 22 13:48:38 Heh Jun 22 13:48:56 first version i had it floating around a picture Jun 22 13:49:24 and ive got a text reader which did similar etc - the principle is simple enough its just getting it to be a generic input metho Jun 22 13:50:58 alterego: Neverball? Jun 22 13:50:58 I see Jun 22 14:01:54 any of you guys using screen over ssh on n900? Jun 22 14:02:05 <_berto_> <-- Jun 22 14:03:07 so you can set up ctrl key easy enough? Jun 22 14:03:14 <_berto_> ctrl ke ? Jun 22 14:03:16 <_berto_> ctrl key ? Jun 22 14:03:25 mirf: It has hardware ctrl key. Jun 22 14:03:27 <_berto_> what do you mean ? Jun 22 14:03:28 yeah so you can switch between screens Jun 22 14:03:30 WHAT Jun 22 14:03:32 omg Jun 22 14:03:35 what about alt? Jun 22 14:03:39 <_berto_> esc Jun 22 14:03:44 that rules Jun 22 14:03:55 For a laugh... what are the odds of an iPhone chroot :) Jun 22 14:03:59 what a dream machine Jun 22 14:04:31 <_berto_> mirf: I do ssh+screen+mutt a lot from my N900 Jun 22 14:04:45 * haj to Jun 22 14:05:02 wicked Jun 22 14:05:11 I'll be using it for irssi so ctrl and alt are a must Jun 22 14:05:13 doesn't everybody? :) Jun 22 14:05:17 <_berto_> :) Jun 22 14:05:18 Hell even chroot android on maemo? Jun 22 14:05:33 :D Jun 22 14:05:40 <_berto_> haven't used irssi, but I guess it works just fine (it did on the n810) Jun 22 14:05:49 definitely ordering one today Jun 22 14:05:54 MohammadAG51, did windows 7 finish booting on your n900? Jun 22 14:05:56 mirf: i usually just lock ctrl for shifting screens and use esc-number in irssi Jun 22 14:06:02 Steven-: you can't just use chroot Jun 22 14:06:18 Steven-: because it depends on kernel features not present in vanilia Jun 22 14:06:30 jacekowski, I was about to ask about that :) Jun 22 14:06:31 mirf: if you are using mutt as well you need a fix for enter to work. Jun 22 14:06:41 <_berto_> haj: what's the fix ? Jun 22 14:07:05 bindkey -a -k fe stuff ^M Jun 22 14:07:09 hm .. stuff? Jun 22 14:07:19 Steven-: but i had some successes with porting dalvik to glibc Jun 22 14:07:22 whatever, it binds enterkey to return... Jun 22 14:07:25 <_berto_> ah, I use Ctrl-M directly Jun 22 14:07:27 jacekowski, what then are the odd's of a kernel that is acceptable to both maemo and android packages? I know google don't give their changed back upstream - but is that because they're changes are so radical? Jun 22 14:07:40 *changes Jun 22 14:07:59 Steven-: you clearly don't understand how adndroid works Jun 22 14:08:08 I understand it just fine Jun 22 14:08:18 <_berto_> haj: wtf is 'stuff' ? Jun 22 14:08:28 Steven-: you have dalvik running on a phone Jun 22 14:08:35 Steven-: and everything runs on dalvik Jun 22 14:08:35 brill thanks for the info haj Jun 22 14:08:45 Steven-: so it's all about porting dalvik to glibc Jun 22 14:08:45 jacekowski, is that the java part? Jun 22 14:08:57 Steven-: and you can run every single app on maemo Jun 22 14:09:38 <_berto_> ah, it's a keyword Jun 22 14:11:24 jacekowski, what would an iphone equivalent to dalvik be? anything? Jun 22 14:11:33 _berto_: perhaps it's just an identifier or something... Jun 22 14:11:48 <_berto_> haj: it's a command, I've just read the docs Jun 22 14:11:51 <_berto_> it works fine, thanks Jun 22 14:12:30 _berto_: ah.. yah, i was just reading that too.. :) Jun 22 14:12:40 _berto_: your welcome.. :) Jun 22 14:13:18 _berto_: it's nice to see so many people use screen+irssi/mutt still.. I have been using it for like 15 years I think.. :) Jun 22 14:13:30 <_berto_> lol, yes :) Jun 22 14:13:38 <_berto_> well, 15 yrs ago I was using pine Jun 22 14:13:48 <_berto_> I switched to mutt some 10-12 years ago Jun 22 14:14:14 <_berto_> (well, actually 15 yrs ago I wasn't using linux yet) Jun 22 14:14:35 I was using pine before mutt as well... but after trying mutt out pine was a bit of a pain Jun 22 14:14:49 which is funny, since "pine" is the danish word for pain ;) Jun 22 14:14:50 does it do imap? Jun 22 14:14:58 <_berto_> lol Jun 22 14:15:01 mutt.. Jun 22 14:15:06 <_berto_> both do imap Jun 22 14:15:13 <_berto_> (I think) Jun 22 14:15:30 <_berto_> but I haven't used pine for long Jun 22 14:16:28 is it not irritating when you get html mails? Jun 22 14:16:42 <_berto_> you can auto-convert them using lynx Jun 22 14:16:51 cool Jun 22 14:16:52 <_berto_> but since most html emails are spam... Jun 22 14:17:29 <_berto_> and you can open them with a text browser if you want Jun 22 14:17:43 <_berto_> which is enough to open the "don't send me more e-mails" link :) Jun 22 14:19:45 sweet Jun 22 14:19:54 don't send me more mails link... dangerous Jun 22 14:19:58 I do't trust em Jun 22 14:20:47 <_berto_> well, I don't usually trust them either, but sometimes I do know they're for real Jun 22 14:21:10 yeah I guess Jun 22 14:23:22 is there some "decent" spotify client for the n900? do they all need extras-devel? Jun 22 14:26:08 Hello Jun 22 14:26:52 Have a quick question. If I turn the phone on yesterday night with fully charged battery and do not take almost any calls today nor SMS will the battery still last over the night, almost 2 days? Jun 22 14:27:30 DrGrov: well, at least mine does Jun 22 14:28:28 mine does too Jun 22 14:28:40 * RST38h moos at ShadowJK Jun 22 14:28:53 (and no/minimal internet activity) Jun 22 14:29:06 Okay, good. I was thinking to test not to charge the battery tonight when I get some sleep. Jun 22 14:29:25 So the battery will be with the full charge going for about 36 hours or so. Jun 22 14:29:44 DrGrov: My battery - logged into wifi, or with wifi search off - lasts ~120 hours Jun 22 14:30:08 Just thought about the sad situation that the battery runs out during the night and in the morning I've missed some calls Jun 22 14:31:06 SpeedEvil: ok, so no need to panic just yet? lol Jun 22 14:31:24 DrGrov: It depends. Some widgets can destroy battery life Jun 22 14:32:21 SpeedEvil: I do not have any widgets I presume. Just have my fiancee as a contact shortcut, Conversations Inbox widget and Phone shortcut? Jun 22 14:33:23 SpeedEvil: So those 3 together should not drain the battery during 48 hours? Jun 22 14:34:23 Contact shortcut is 'dead' - it only launches stuff. As does the phone shortcut Jun 22 14:34:32 I'm unsure about the conversations inbox widget Jun 22 14:34:47 Most of the actual nokia stuff is quite good powersave wise Jun 22 14:35:19 is it safe to install footify (for example) from extras-devel and then disable the -devel repository? does it upgrade some critical libs perchance? ;) Jun 22 14:36:18 I guess I'd find out in the install, but I'm wondering if it's generally a bad idea or not to do such things Jun 22 14:36:49 drgov: if the battery meter is down to half I'd put it on charge overnight Jun 22 14:37:12 ShadowJK: ok, I will do that once I get some sleep. Jun 22 14:37:15 I've found that it goes to half pretty quickly but it'll last anyway, it's half full anyway ;) Jun 22 14:37:39 I try to check tonight when I go to sleep to see whether it is half. If not half then it is good. Jun 22 14:37:45 playing youtube or such kills it really quick though Jun 22 14:38:29 Damn I hate that function that when I plug in the charger the keylock automatically opens up. Nothing to do about it? Jun 22 14:39:04 Does anyone know if there is a Vodaphone variant of the PR 1.2 firmware? Jun 22 14:39:05 DrGrov, vote for the bug Jun 22 14:39:17 wish I remembered the number Jun 22 14:40:32 mgedmin: no problem. i can check for it somwhere on the bugtracker. Jun 22 14:40:49 Is the battery life actually better on PR 1.2 than pre PR 1.2? Jun 22 14:40:57 I feel that it might be a bit better somewhat... Jun 22 14:42:50 I think it's better. Jun 22 14:42:50 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jun 22 14:43:01 But I didn't do any scientific tests :P Jun 22 14:43:17 my batterylife is great after i've a usbcable at work, at home, and a charger+a usbcable in my bag... ;) Jun 22 14:43:47 but actually I think it's just about the same in PR1.2 as it was in PR1.1 Jun 22 14:43:56 haj: I also carry around the Nokia charger adapter all the time in my pocket, just incase I've not got my bag and I need to use someone elses charger ;) Jun 22 14:45:30 oh.. I forgot about the charger in my car... ;) Jun 22 14:45:45 anyway, i don't use the car that much... mostly bike around... Jun 22 14:46:03 but you really do need to have a car charger to use Sygic... Jun 22 14:46:17 http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/chargers/nokia-bicycle-charger-kit Jun 22 14:46:38 :D Jun 22 14:46:48 especially if using sygic while playing music while girlfriend plays angry birds.. ;) Jun 22 14:47:20 Want one :P Jun 22 14:47:51 alterego: it really needs to be a dynohub to be nice.... Jun 22 14:48:01 alterego: it's actually not very suitable alas Jun 22 14:48:16 I wish it was possible to do mechanical prorotype easily Jun 22 14:48:25 I want to make a pocketable foot-pump type thing. Jun 22 14:48:34 Around the size of the n900 Jun 22 14:48:58 put it down on the floor, step on it 100-200 times, and it has enough power to fast-charge a phone Jun 22 14:48:59 haj, maybe you can just rewire it.. Jun 22 14:49:40 SpeedEvil: I was riding an audax bikeride with a guy that had a dyno fronthub he used to charge his mobile and his gps... :) Jun 22 14:49:54 that was kind of cool Jun 22 14:50:14 I suspect if I was of the lycra persuasion, I would try to make my own. Jun 22 14:51:05 flux: I don't actually plan going on any bikerides that long atm... Jun 22 14:51:07 :) Jun 22 14:51:13 speedevil, I think you may be over-estimating the energy you can produce with such a contraption.. Jun 22 14:51:17 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13517 Jun 22 14:51:19 flux: nope Jun 22 14:51:31 flux: the longest i have done was 340km in 14 hours Jun 22 14:51:56 flux: 100kg * 10m/s^2 * 10cm * 100 = 10000J = 3Wh Jun 22 14:52:34 flux: Though that 100kg is probably optimistic Jun 22 14:53:00 greetings Jun 22 14:53:36 maemo sounds awesome. Does anyone know of a good resource to track upcoming hardware? Jun 22 14:53:53 There will be no more hardware with maemo on. Jun 22 14:53:59 Meego is the new direction. Jun 22 14:54:11 ah yes, I just read a little about it Jun 22 14:54:11 And nobodies announced phone hardware for it AIUI Jun 22 14:54:49 See http://meegos.com/ Jun 22 14:54:53 ok Jun 22 14:54:55 thank you Jun 22 14:55:10 err Jun 22 14:55:11 no s Jun 22 14:55:46 I was going to grab Android but I'm not convinced it's actually free software. That said, maemo/meego seems to be the clear winner Jun 22 14:56:01 Generally, yes. (IMO) Jun 22 14:56:23 maemo/meego is much more of a 'normal linux distribution. Jun 22 14:56:36 and it's all GPL? Jun 22 14:56:38 It's got lots more in common with the desktop than many mobile platforms Jun 22 14:56:39 no Jun 22 14:56:50 maemo contains large slices of non-free code. Jun 22 14:57:04 really Jun 22 14:57:05 ugh Jun 22 14:57:07 However - this is generally only annoying if you want to replace desktop elements Jun 22 14:57:22 Or change the core system. Jun 22 14:57:39 Much however is quite possible if you're willing to work round stuff. Jun 22 14:58:09 as an example - there is an 'easy debian' package that adds a debian chroot, that runs fullscreen Jun 22 14:58:39 * windowsrefund likes Debian Jun 22 14:58:42 In general - you can rip out most of the userspace closed apps, and replace them. Jun 22 14:58:51 In principle anyway Jun 22 14:59:10 you mean freedom restricting apps Jun 22 14:59:11 but where two closed components interact, you can end up needing to replace both, or reverse engineer the interaction Jun 22 14:59:23 No. Jun 22 14:59:54 The architecture is such that you can pretty much replace the OS totally. Jun 22 15:00:00 The kernel drivers are open, for example. Jun 22 15:00:19 can you please not use terminology like "open" and "closed"? Jun 22 15:00:27 There may not be enough documentation as to how some of the closed source elements talk to it. Jun 22 15:00:33 Ok. Jun 22 15:00:39 thanks Jun 22 15:00:48 The kernel drivers are ijsdfowejeojfewiojrefi for example. Jun 22 15:01:04 SpeedEvil: well, that plus solar charger, maybe a wind charger too and we'll be sorted! Jun 22 15:01:11 My bike would look awesome. Jun 22 15:01:23 Don't forget tidal power. Jun 22 15:01:30 would you say omweather is more of a widget or an application? Jun 22 15:01:45 Widgets are generally things that do their thing on the desktop. Jun 22 15:01:50 Applications are fullscreen. Jun 22 15:02:50 The terms "open" and "closed" are terms used by the "open source" movement. That movement is just a warm and fluffy distraction to the underlying Free Software movement that accounts for all the freedoms we enjoy today as far as software is concerned. That said, it is proper to use terminology like "free" and/or "non-free" when discussing this property of software. Jun 22 15:03:03 SpeedEvil, yes thanks I know the definitions :) but omweather is kinda both Jun 22 15:04:01 ah... 32gb microsdhc's are getting cheaper... anyone know if it makes a difference using a faster card in the N900? Jun 22 15:04:02 windowsrefund: I prefer a higher authority on this. Jun 22 15:05:05 wait a sec.. duh, i was looking at standard sdhc's... :/ Jun 22 15:05:09 Namely Humty Dumpty. Jun 22 15:05:21 SpeedEvil: I'm quite serious Jun 22 15:05:35 language is important because it conveys ideas Jun 22 15:05:42 "when I say a word, it means exactly what I intend it to mean, and nothing else"" Jun 22 15:05:54 So does smacking people with trout. Jun 22 15:05:56 haj: it does make indeed if you wanna write on it... if it's a class two then most probably you will get at least 2MB/sec for write... and that's where i am stuck with my 16GB class 2 sdhc card... kinda annoying if you wanna load it full with music... Jun 22 15:06:02 when you use "open source" terminology, you convey and advocate "open source" ideals... Jun 22 15:06:37 and if you've studied those ideals, you know that the only thing valued is pragmatism Jun 22 15:06:38 When I use open, I generally refer to code that is open-source with GPL, or similar licenses, that the user can modify. Jun 22 15:06:50 Which is a good enough definition for me. Jun 22 15:06:53 SpeedEvil: when you use "open", you really *mean* free Jun 22 15:06:59 as in free speech Jun 22 15:07:02 free software Jun 22 15:07:11 mikki-kun: So it's slower than the eMMC... Jun 22 15:07:12 freedoms 0-3 Jun 22 15:07:21 windowsrefund: yeah, sure, we get the message, move on Jun 22 15:07:36 crashanddie: if you've got nothing to add, you can sit there and be quiet Jun 22 15:07:41 haj: well, seems so... i was thinking of getting for my easy-debian an 8GB class 6 if i move that there Jun 22 15:07:45 anyone of you tried to update NokiaSDK today? There are lot of upgrades but still some bugs with maemo targets... Jun 22 15:07:54 windowsrefund: or I can kick you out of this channel for being disruptive Jun 22 15:08:01 you can do that too Jun 22 15:08:24 windowsrefund: you're not adding much yourself. Jun 22 15:08:26 of course, noone IS being disruptive but if you want to show us how big your !#$! is... by all means Jun 22 15:08:34 so please, that argument is a lot more appropriate to ##defocus or #opensource than #maemo. Jun 22 15:09:09 windowsrefund: why, in the process of trying to make a point do you have to be rude, arrogant and insulting? Jun 22 15:09:22 mikki-kun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54161 Jun 22 15:09:39 mikki-kun: a guy seems to get 7MB/sec using a class 6 Jun 22 15:09:39 windowsrefund: I'm asking nicely, either turn the discussion around maemo, or take it elsewhere, thanks. Jun 22 15:09:51 haj: it depends on what you need... static storage (like your music which won't change day by day) or rather 'temporary storage' (meaning which changes more often and is therefore nice to have it faster) Jun 22 15:10:15 mikki-kun: yes.. I'm only considering it for music... Jun 22 15:10:31 mikki-kun: but actually it's not like I need space right now. Jun 22 15:10:32 Hi Guys, any idea why "dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd /com/nokia/icd com.nokia.icd.connect string:"[ANY]" uint32:0" may not work in if-down.d as a script, but if I run the script manually it works? Jun 22 15:10:54 crashanddie++ Jun 22 15:10:56 haj: those classes indicate the slowest speed the card achieves, a speed guaranteed by the manufacturer, it can go way faster than that, but that is more of an exception then Jun 22 15:10:59 mikki-kun: I'd still like to wait getting a card until 32GB cards get cheaper ;) Jun 22 15:11:03 crashanddie: understanding freedom is appropriate in all places. I don't need YOU to tell ME where freedom (and the understanding of it) is appropriate. This guy is using soft language that was specifically designed to distract people from the issue of freedom and all the while, he thinks he's supporting the community. Obviously, he's got the right intention but he's been tricked by the media. At least you can give him a cha Jun 22 15:11:36 Be quiet Jun 22 15:12:01 crashanddie: thanks... Jun 22 15:12:03 PM me whenever you're ready to stop trolling Jun 22 15:12:06 crashanddie++ Jun 22 15:13:19 haj: 32 sounds nice, it sure is, but i am not sure of that will change soon... Jun 22 15:13:29 i mean the price of it Jun 22 15:13:59 mikki-kun: You may be right... oh well :) Jun 22 15:14:10 I'm going home.. Jun 22 15:14:12 Jun 22 15:14:27 hmm .. that was a silly tag.. Jun 22 15:14:28 32GB should be enough for anybody! Jun 22 15:14:29 out :) Jun 22 15:14:35 i read somewhere the production of those cards is in some way a new technique.. (if i remember correctly, my mind has been playing tricks the last months - but the source was engadget back a few months) Jun 22 15:15:19 SpeedEvil: wow, those were heaps of insults I just got in PM... Jun 22 15:16:23 SpeedEvil: 640K ought to be enough for anybody. (afair by Bill Gates) Jun 22 15:16:37 mikki-kun: actually, he never said that Jun 22 15:17:07 crashanddie: Well - he should have - it's a great quote. Jun 22 15:17:22 XD Jun 22 15:17:27 And indeed - it's probably true for many classes of app. Jun 22 15:17:35 not when it's attributed to you by people who want to diminish your persona Jun 22 15:17:54 If you start out by assuming text mode, and moderately efficient coding - there is a huge amount that can fit in 640k Jun 22 15:18:17 crashanddie, He did say that he thought that there would be a world market for maybe 5 computers Jun 22 15:18:33 crashanddie, Which is kind of visionary if you think in terms of the cloud Jun 22 15:18:40 dneary: no, that was the CEO of IBM around 1940 Jun 22 15:18:56 people don't want to own a computer, they want to have a computer do stuff for them Jun 22 15:19:02 dneary, microsoft were notably ignorant of the net Jun 22 15:19:49 I see TMO has now become a Third Reich Jun 22 15:19:54 crashanddie, Yeah you're right - Thomas Watson Jun 22 15:19:56 * DigitalPioneer stares at mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net Jun 22 15:20:08 dneary : so, i'm not part of "people" Jun 22 15:20:09 :D Jun 22 15:20:17 lcuk: Everyone was ignorant of the web until Bill's famous all-nighter Jun 22 15:20:31 dneary: Applers want to own a computer Jun 22 15:20:32 nextime, Sure you are Jun 22 15:20:35 s/computer/stuff/ Jun 22 15:20:35 Corsac meant: dneary: Applers want to own a stuff Jun 22 15:20:53 Corsac, Everyone wants to own stuff Jun 22 15:20:55 dneary, his famous allnighter wasnt internet? that was getting basic running Jun 22 15:20:57 well before net Jun 22 15:21:47 good job over at TMO Jun 22 15:21:55 ?? Jun 22 15:22:21 turning TMO into a third reich i mean Jun 22 15:22:27 :-P Jun 22 15:22:34 LOL Jun 22 15:22:52 yes, we're all facists and want to burn free spirited gnubies on the stake Jun 22 15:23:04 DocScrutinizer, can you tell me something more about the auto connect setting of yours? Jun 22 15:23:06 they get what they deserve I guess Jun 22 15:23:15 "let's scale back the duscussion and delet threadas" Jun 22 15:23:22 djkrikke: sure Jun 22 15:23:29 nothing special in it Jun 22 15:23:46 nookie: spend 3 days there and you'll understand why Jun 22 15:23:48 DocScrutinizer, benchmarked PA a bit, wrote PA client and tried it on a RT enabled (preemptive scheduling) linux kernel. nice pop and click fest as soon as you go below a few 100msec. while JACK ticks along with 5msec on the same box :) Jun 22 15:23:48 what's your interval? Jun 22 15:23:49 dneary, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/802887.stm Jun 22 15:23:57 settings - internet - "autoconnect to: >all<" Jun 22 15:24:05 that was what i meant Jun 22 15:24:30 interval is 5min iirc Jun 22 15:24:53 DocScrutinizer, ok thanks, but how can your device connect to 3G immediately (you said 30 secs after disconnecting from wifi)? Jun 22 15:24:58 but switch to 3G after WLAN lost connection seems much quicker Jun 22 15:25:08 ^^ Jun 22 15:25:09 lcukI'm talking about the night he got hooked up with internet and spent all night on the net, came in the next day and said "We have to have the Internet at the heart of this strategy" Jun 22 15:25:40 dneary, thats pretty much every guy everywhere lol Jun 22 15:25:43 djkrikke: aiui the unterval is just for WLAN scanning for new usable networks Jun 22 15:26:08 http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/exhibits/20.pdf Jun 22 15:26:21 benno2: :-D Jun 22 15:26:44 I see, I'm trying to use if-down.d for "noticing" an interface goes down, and connect to GPRS/3G immediately after it Jun 22 15:27:18 how come the battery on n900 is so weak? Jun 22 15:27:31 DocScrutinizer: Strange thing is, the dbus command for connecting again (when leaving wlan, auto connect to gprs/3G), doesn't work using if-down.d Jun 22 15:27:50 nookie: the battery is exactly the same like every other battery same size and formfactor Jun 22 15:27:57 how come the CPU is so powerful? Jun 22 15:28:47 because its constructed from pure awesominium Jun 22 15:28:58 lol :P Jun 22 15:29:02 mine doesnt last 6 hours.... why? Jun 22 15:29:22 nookie, probably too much heavy use, or bad coded devel tools Jun 22 15:29:43 what did you do on it during those 6 hours? Jun 22 15:29:44 well you need to try harder, at full pelt the battery can be drained in about 2 hours - normal usage is much longer. check whats running and remove/tweak the rest Jun 22 15:29:50 nookie, sounds like you have a problem, then. Jun 22 15:29:56 djkrikke: I don't do anything special for 3G. But when I walk away from my house, it takes a 150m worth of time until N900 switches from stalled WLAN to 3G automatically Jun 22 15:30:26 DocScrutinizer, PA holds its promises. I'm developing an app on the N900 which needs to analyze the input so even if there are dropouts or gaps it's not a big pöroblem. managed the latency down to 70msec (not dropout free). But I'd like to see how one can implement a responsive vocoder on the N900. simply sad if meego inherits that crap. Jun 22 15:30:48 DocScrutinizer: I understand, but can you help investigate why the dbus commands don't work in the if-down.d scripts? Scanning is more intensive then just auto connect if the other interface goes down Jun 22 15:30:51 djkrikke: the other way round (3G->WLAN) obviously is much slower of course, as it depends on interval setting Jun 22 15:31:16 i dont have any bad apps, just using it to text and shit like that. 6 hours and boom! battery dead. Jun 22 15:32:00 nookie, then something's wrong Jun 22 15:32:18 i see that xchat is a bettery hog Jun 22 15:32:26 If you're only "texting and shit" then it should be at least 10-18 hours Jun 22 15:32:28 nookie: just switch down internet connection and see how long batery lasts then Jun 22 15:32:57 Could be your WiFi doesn't support power save Jun 22 15:32:57 Where are the USB host devs chatting now-a-days then? Jun 22 15:32:59 anybody else having problems with xchat? Jun 22 15:33:07 Just wanted to read up on the current state of affairs ... Jun 22 15:33:08 nookie: it's not xchat, it's the internet connection that always is a power hog, no mater if WLAN or 3G Jun 22 15:33:27 nookie: xchat is not a battery hog. Jun 22 15:33:36 nookie: 3g is a _massive_ battery hog Jun 22 15:33:37 xchat on many busy channels however.. Jun 22 15:33:40 Switch to GSM if you're idling on XChat all day Jun 22 15:33:47 i admit ...sometimes i leave xchat running with active irc on Jun 22 15:33:54 irssi on a remote screen session ftw :P Jun 22 15:33:55 wifi is very, very battery economical. Jun 22 15:33:56 Well - very Jun 22 15:33:56 on quiet channels thats ok Jun 22 15:34:08 but on busy chans where nothing has a chance to rest Jun 22 15:34:11 I get ~40h battery life with xchat active on wifi Jun 22 15:34:14 Does alarmd log stuff some where? I have an event configured in alarmed, that doesn't run, but can't figure out why... Jun 22 15:34:51 do you guys leave xchat running signed in on you n nine hundreds? Jun 22 15:35:01 yes Jun 22 15:35:05 i do Jun 22 15:35:28 any way to optimize xchat to use less juice? Jun 22 15:35:39 irc in less-busy channels?-) Jun 22 15:35:40 which chans are you on Jun 22 15:35:59 only maemo channel Jun 22 15:36:18 ..my advice stands.. ;) Jun 22 15:36:20 i normally have no problems re battery life etc Jun 22 15:37:01 wonder if being on irc all the time is to blame....on one channel only mind you Jun 22 15:37:05 I got a Mugen and stopped worrying about battery life ;) Jun 22 15:37:27 flux, how much battery life do you get? Jun 22 15:37:46 basically I can skip charging one day if I want Jun 22 15:37:53 SpeedEvil: how do you get your phone running 40h with wifi? Ö.ö Jun 22 15:38:04 but for that to happen I must've used less N900 than I perhaps usually do Jun 22 15:38:14 turned everything else off besides these two things? Jun 22 15:39:08 and I do like to stream music over 3G for and run gps tracking software for instance, as well being online with active ssh and vpn 24/7. Jun 22 15:39:43 nookie: you got some presence notifications for e.g. jabber or whatever? Jun 22 15:39:47 active ssh !!!!!!! that's it !!!!!!!!! Jun 22 15:39:52 no Jun 22 15:40:18 it can be, if it has an irc open and you switch windows a lot from your PC (screen multidetach) :) Jun 22 15:40:19 i gotta turn ssh off when not in use Jun 22 15:40:43 mikki-kun: A AP that supports powersave properly. Jun 22 15:41:32 nookie: I have had the battery last 120 hours as a test, with it idle, every 5 min, logged into the device over wifi/ssh asking power status. Jun 22 15:42:00 nookie: Some APs don't support powersaving mode, meaning that the radio has to stay on much of the time Jun 22 15:42:12 hm... isn't powersave a feature which is managed from the client's side? Jun 22 15:42:19 no Jun 22 15:42:22 Well - yes Jun 22 15:42:30 but it's also got to be supported on the AP Jun 22 15:42:33 As I understand it Jun 22 15:43:09 hmmm....interesting Jun 22 15:43:27 anyone uses spotify on n900? Jun 22 15:43:43 (anyone here, and would like to share their experience) Jun 22 15:43:45 :) Jun 22 15:45:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Jun 22 15:45:55 I mean to make that a proper page soon Jun 22 15:46:44 Hello there, good morning. :-) Jun 22 15:46:45 I'm wondering if anyone here have problems of tearing while animating an interface written in Qt running in portrait mode? Jun 22 15:46:54 The same code runs 'fine' (for N900 standards) if in landscape mode. Jun 22 15:47:19 And I noticed that most (if not all) N900 'native' apps run in landscape mode... Jun 22 15:47:29 Anyone could comment on this subject ^ ? Jun 22 15:49:35 Savago: you can try forcing some of the built in apps into portrait to see if they have the same issue. Jun 22 15:49:46 Opera used to suffer from tearing but I think they fixed that. Jun 22 15:49:47 thanks Jun 22 15:51:06 this brings me to my next issue guys: whats the easiest method to access files which are on my remote pc (laptop)? Jun 22 15:52:48 ftp? Jun 22 15:52:57 nookie: running windows? Jun 22 15:53:08 yes...win 7 Jun 22 15:53:20 winscp Jun 22 15:53:32 do i need to install stuff on my win 7 laptop ? Jun 22 15:53:51 how remote are we talking? Jun 22 15:53:54 on the same lan? Jun 22 15:54:05 no... Jun 22 15:54:09 ah Jun 22 15:54:10 wifi Jun 22 15:54:14 In a galaxy far far away? Jun 22 15:54:18 errr ok Jun 22 15:54:22 wifi butin the same building? Jun 22 15:54:33 no....far away Jun 22 15:54:37 ahhhh Jun 22 15:54:39 :P Jun 22 15:55:02 yeah you'll need to nistall stuff and use portforwarding Jun 22 15:55:47 winscp doesnt need port forwarding? Jun 22 15:55:53 ok...i got openssh server and client on my n900 and winscp on my laptop....what next? Jun 22 15:56:02 connect Jun 22 15:56:07 open winscp, enter connection details to tablet, profit. Jun 22 15:56:30 um.. if they're not on the same network and the Jun 22 15:56:33 alterego, thanks, I will have a look. Jun 22 15:56:35 ok....but i wanna do the opposite: n900 to access pc Jun 22 15:56:36 laptop is behind a router... Jun 22 15:56:47 nookie: access it with what? Jun 22 15:56:59 what are you planing to do once you access it? Jun 22 15:57:02 access it with N900 Jun 22 15:57:12 I still think ftp would be 'easiest' Jun 22 15:57:12 Remote Desktop? Jun 22 15:57:18 to gain access to my files Jun 22 15:57:18 or samba Jun 22 15:57:49 ok ftp... but how do i get it running on win 7? Jun 22 15:59:02 ok nookie this is how it goes. You get an orangutan. I'm not talking a little monkey or some dancing chimp bullsh**. I mean a f**king orangutan. Don't ask me how you're gonna get a f**king orangutan, because that's not my problem. So the orangutan's name is Clyde. This is non-negotiable; all orangutans are named Clyde. I don't know why that is, it's just how the world works. So you and Clyde become man [and ape] about town. Jun 22 15:59:04 if you want to setup a ftp server on win7 then google some guide or ask in a windows channel Jun 22 15:59:17 there's plenty of "easy" ftp server softwares for windows Jun 22 16:00:11 lcuk: you're funny Jun 22 16:00:46 lcuk: let me rephrase that: you're TRYING to be funny. But failing miserably. Jun 22 16:00:49 may I ask what kind of files you'd like to access? Jun 22 16:01:09 music. documents. pics, etc Jun 22 16:01:48 nookie, sometimes it needs to be done - nokia device can read many formats, theres many pathways to do what you want but research is the biggest one you should be doing Jun 22 16:02:51 lcuk: you know how hard it is to find one of those nowadays?! Ö.ö Jun 22 16:03:10 I think there's a connectivity thingy for that in the media player Jun 22 16:03:31 never tried it , but I got my windows comps hostname to show up in the media player Jun 22 16:03:50 mikki-kun, yeah its easy to find smaller monkeys Jun 22 16:03:54 Is there anything better than QtIrreco for IR remote controls? Jun 22 16:11:56 Steven-: that's a nicely put question now Jun 22 16:12:19 lcuk: lmao Jun 22 16:12:54 :D crashanddie Jun 22 16:13:21 Man iOS multitasking is stupid. Jun 22 16:13:32 * DocScrutinizer slaps lcuk with a big trout Jun 22 16:13:58 ? Jun 22 16:14:04 i see the urangutan is polarising people! Jun 22 16:14:16 Steven-, i dont know of other remote control apps Jun 22 16:14:26 lcuk, ok Jun 22 16:14:30 lcuk: that animal is on red list! Jun 22 16:14:45 N900's IR is pretty bad anyway Jun 22 16:14:55 can't abuse for stupid tethering purposes Jun 22 16:15:27 Kaadlajk: this claim is based on what? Jun 22 16:15:29 DocScrutinizer, how about teaching it how to code in qt Jun 22 16:15:51 DocScrutinizer: just my testing :-0 range didnt seem that good Jun 22 16:16:02 lcuk: teach how to bbq lumberjacks Jun 22 16:16:22 what a stupid channel this is become....people talking about monkeys....open community my ass Jun 22 16:16:36 nookie: how long you been here? Jun 22 16:16:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNMYGFbFc-g made this with my friend, the server program running on laptop also runs on N900 Jun 22 16:16:51 7 months Jun 22 16:16:52 Kaadlajk: suspicions are the freq of the IR might not meet the one used by original remocon Jun 22 16:16:55 laptops IR was alot better Jun 22 16:17:07 nookie: oh wow, you an old timer, eh? Jun 22 16:17:15 DocScrutinizer: yeah might be Jun 22 16:17:19 lcuk: how long we been talking shit on this channel? Jun 22 16:17:29 nookie, its a bit of light heartedness after 5 people tried to explain how to do usual connection stuff to you only to be told no you want it the other way. without thanks or anything :) Jun 22 16:18:05 so my apologies for not taking everything 100% seriously Jun 22 16:18:09 lcuk: btw, the spelling is urangutan Jun 22 16:18:10 i was writing programs and coding long before some were still runnig around in diapers. Jun 22 16:18:25 nookie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35166 here's what I was talking about Jun 22 16:18:44 nookie: sure, and you can't even figure out how to install an ftp server on your desktop? Jun 22 16:18:51 crashanddie, didnt even notice seb, was c&p from google hit on amusing line i recall Jun 22 16:18:52 Music and Videos , dunno about pictures Jun 22 16:19:30 thanks Appiah Jun 22 16:20:05 nookie, some of us have been app developers for a long time and have slogged through many aspects - what sort of stuff do you code? Jun 22 16:20:28 cobol :D Jun 22 16:20:40 crashanddie: i dont live in a windows world, hency my lack of knowledge Jun 22 16:20:40 now thats old.. Jun 22 16:20:57 Steven-: keep your fingers off my COBOL! Jun 22 16:21:26 nookie: fair enough Jun 22 16:21:27 I'm an ex soft engineer at Nokia Jun 22 16:21:46 N900bastard? Jun 22 16:22:12 nookie, which platform Jun 22 16:22:18 OS/2 Jun 22 16:22:38 nookie: did you figure out the url for the internal maemo repo yet or are you going to shut up with that crap? Jun 22 16:22:42 Series 60 - old news Jun 22 16:22:45 Steven-: BS2000, c'mon Jun 22 16:22:59 since you claimed you were high in maemo before Jun 22 16:23:01 nookie: so you're way too stoopid to google "ftp server windows"? Jun 22 16:23:09 * achipa remembers the old days, running his 3 node BBS on OS/2 + maximus Jun 22 16:23:10 nookie: or was Google before your time, too? Jun 22 16:23:36 DocScrutinizer, if this guy is worse than me I can go back to using my old nick? :) Jun 22 16:23:55 Lol, you guys are a barrel o' laughs i tell ya Jun 22 16:24:16 nookie: apologies for the trolling and flaming Jun 22 16:24:20 I'll stfu now Jun 22 16:24:33 back then there was no distinction between different platforms at Nokia, hence my previous mention of working with maemo which was in inception stages back in the day Jun 22 16:25:01 no matter. you dont have to believe me. Jun 22 16:25:10 you mean before even the 770 ? Jun 22 16:25:17 yes Jun 22 16:26:37 what was the name of that better camera app? Jun 22 16:26:47 jacekowski: blessn900 Jun 22 16:26:52 actually, long before 770 was even being discussed Jun 22 16:27:54 nookie, do you really have nothing else to do? Jun 22 16:27:59 nookie, that's nice... so you no nothing about all this - good for you. what was the conversation about again? Jun 22 16:28:00 hmm Jun 22 16:28:32 does it work somehow to compile N900 applications under windows? Jun 22 16:28:32 remember the e90 communicator folks? My team wanted to put what was called Series 90 on it. But it got kaboshed by the higher ups Jun 22 16:29:08 don't care not linux Jun 22 16:29:40 well, i'm going to change OS soon, but atm i sit under windows Jun 22 16:29:46 crashanddie, is that thing just purely software to get those better effects? Jun 22 16:29:48 FredrIQ: run the SDK Jun 22 16:30:09 and we went with series 60 on the e90. Internally at Nokia putting S60 on E90 is considered a blunder. No high end device since then. A downhill slide and marketshare erosion. Jun 22 16:31:29 wasn't me! Jun 22 16:31:33 I promise! Jun 22 16:31:41 nope, it was ChanServ :D Jun 22 16:31:46 liers Jun 22 16:31:54 and we are going to belive it? :3 Jun 22 16:31:58 uh Jun 22 16:32:01 fail Jun 22 16:32:07 ~user Jun 22 16:32:08 user is, like, currently detached. Talk to this user upon their return. You will now be ignored. [HackFactor Elite 2.0], or a synonym for moron Jun 22 16:32:09 ;) Jun 22 16:32:16 ...not that Jun 22 16:32:27 s/u/~u Jun 22 16:32:33 Anyone got an NX client working on the N900? Jun 22 16:32:39 Last time I tried QtNX it just bombs Jun 22 16:32:40 DocScrutinizer: you just completely failed that +q, didn't you? Jun 22 16:32:45 hello? Jun 22 16:32:56 nookie: yes? Jun 22 16:32:56 you are muted. Jun 22 16:33:05 he's not muted Jun 22 16:33:09 you are failmuted Jun 22 16:33:11 whoever tried to issue the command failed hard Jun 22 16:33:20 the real command would've been this Jun 22 16:33:25 take that as a "be quiet" Jun 22 16:33:27 :) Jun 22 16:33:28 lol...and you call yourselves experts?? Jun 22 16:33:31 insanefaka, N900lover, N900killer, etc, really it's enough now Jun 22 16:33:33 DocScrutinizer go hide Jun 22 16:33:37 could I be unmuted? :D Jun 22 16:33:41 somebody downloaded pelota-widget of worldcup ? Jun 22 16:33:44 you know - while someone is in chanserv Jun 22 16:33:46 now there's a mute :) Jun 22 16:34:03 *yawn* Jun 22 16:34:08 and now nookie Jun 22 16:34:23 ... Jun 22 16:34:33 ..... Jun 22 16:34:34 :) Jun 22 16:34:59 maybe... posssibly ? Jun 22 16:35:06 lol lcuk Clyde Jun 22 16:35:08 people, we're tools. tools people that is. interesting discussion. Jun 22 16:35:21 I still vote for cheesecake Jun 22 16:36:06 people is having fun Jun 22 16:36:13 *are* Jun 22 16:36:15 FredrIQ: just cleaning up Jun 22 16:36:17 *spank* Jun 22 16:36:23 ok Jun 22 16:36:56 crashanddie: your cleaning up days are quite a pain to my brain Jun 22 16:37:20 i like them Jun 22 16:37:31 DocScrutinizer: why is that? Jun 22 16:38:18 crashanddie: e.g. +q user*!*@* was set for a reason. It's not the extended vocabulary for chanops to tell jokes to the users Jun 22 16:38:23 Greetings. Does anyone know the directory where contacts are stored on an N900? Jun 22 16:38:55 DocScrutinizer: it's also the default nickname for xchat and half another dozen of IRC clients Jun 22 16:39:05 I thought it would be like, $HOME/.contacts or something, but I can't find it. Jun 22 16:39:28 crashanddie: also it's quite good practice to talk to the chanop who's set that restriction before sinply "cleaning" it Jun 22 16:39:37 DocScrutinizer: we have to remain vigilant, and give chances to people. It would be too easy to just ban all those who go awry once, and never bother with them again Jun 22 16:39:55 moving on Jun 22 16:39:59 DocScrutinizer: sure, I'll discuss it with you in the future Jun 22 16:40:05 Hey Doc Jun 22 16:41:14 Does anyone know the directory where "contacts" are stored on an N900? Jun 22 16:41:23 does it echo here? Jun 22 16:41:33 insanefaka is ~user@74.198.35.91 * Unknown; nookie is ~user@74.198.38.146 * Unknown; *** Stskeeps sets mode: +b *!*user@74.198.39.*[16:22]; *** N900killa was kicked by Stskeeps (troll, come back when calm) Jun 22 16:41:35 adna: IIRC it's stored in an sqlite db. Jun 22 16:42:21 Gizmokid2005: Thnx! Do you know where that db is located? Jun 22 16:43:05 crashanddie: need more? I got more Jun 22 16:43:35 hrm. Jun 22 16:44:50 adna: find ~ -name "*sql" Jun 22 16:45:28 SpeedEvil: it's actually *.db Jun 22 16:45:58 hmm Jun 22 16:46:16 Hello guys, is there any problem with the autobuilder at the moment? I am failing to build my package and I am doing almost the same as yesterday Jun 22 16:46:19 sql is actual code, the .db is the database, though I've seen some (not in the N900) as .sqlite Jun 22 16:46:26 Err - I mean gts, not Gm Jun 22 16:46:27 oops Jun 22 16:46:42 DocScrutinizer: i actually kicked someone? neat Jun 22 16:46:56 sweet Jun 22 16:48:18 Gizmokid2005: Right, I don't see any .sqlite directory. Not sure where to look... Jun 22 16:50:02 SpeedEvil: Thanks. "find ~ -name "*sql" " returns nothing, though Jun 22 16:50:19 adna: I'd say it's in some *.db Jun 22 16:50:35 adna: you need to run it as "find ~ -name "*.db" " Jun 22 16:50:45 and it looks like they are in ~.osso-abook/db/ Jun 22 16:50:59 probably ~/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db Jun 22 16:51:04 yes - sorry - I recalled the wrong name Jun 22 16:51:22 * Lantizia looks at Guest62315 Jun 22 16:51:24 çäîðîâ ïðèäóðêè Jun 22 16:52:34 gesundheit Jun 22 16:52:45 Gizmokid2005: My hero. thanks. Jun 22 16:52:56 you're welcome adna Jun 22 16:54:23 hm, looks like a nice time to buy nokia stock Jun 22 16:56:30 Stskeeps: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-05-25.log.html#t2010-05-25T16:22:40 Jun 22 16:57:41 DocScrutinizer: ah, he really had it coming if you read the discussion before that :P Jun 22 16:57:47 Stskeeps: to me a +b *!*user@74.198.*.* feels a sane thing to do Jun 22 16:59:02 DocScrutinizer: why would you ban a whole class B? Jun 22 16:59:03 yesterday insanefaka, today nookie. It's becoming an annoying habit Jun 22 16:59:29 Gizmokid2005: I'm banning user@ Jun 22 16:59:40 not *@ Jun 22 17:00:12 Can someone help me understand why my build in autobuilder is failing ? : https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/horizontal-call_0.7-1/ Jun 22 17:00:23 user@classb is a large fraction of the users. Jun 22 17:00:33 still DocScrutinizer, like was said before a LOT of clients use "user" as their realname because people are lazy Jun 22 17:00:35 is it possible that /usr/bin/logit isn't installed on the n900 device anymore? Jun 22 17:00:36 I login as user on both my laptop, and my n900 Jun 22 17:00:37 but it seems crashanddie isn't according with me Jun 22 17:01:19 SpeedEvil: are you 74.198.*.* ? Jun 22 17:01:29 No. Jun 22 17:01:34 ! Jun 22 17:04:10 Zerojay for example is Jun 22 17:04:16 Or has been in the past Jun 22 17:05:34 the same guy kept coming in, with the exact same trolls Jun 22 17:06:38 I think the requirement to set up decent user on your client is much lower demand than the "you need to register as we don't allow nonregistered users to talk" that crashanddie was suggesting for standard policy for this chan quite a number of times Jun 22 17:07:17 this channel has a lot of ~user's in it, i believe Jun 22 17:08:14 even my own n900 client and heck, i've 10 years of ircd experience :P Jun 22 17:08:37 noob Jun 22 17:08:50 pft Jun 22 17:08:51 :P Jun 22 17:09:08 * Stskeeps passes Myrtti a hello kitty themed 770 Jun 22 17:09:26 gyaaarrrggghhh Jun 22 17:09:27 so what's your point now, Stskeeps ? It's been you who established above mentioned ban Jun 22 17:09:32 I don't even need a new phone Jun 22 17:09:49 it's just gear lust Jun 22 17:09:53 DocScrutinizer: are you good with solving autobuilder build problems, and willing to help me for 2 min? Jun 22 17:10:13 sorry, no for #1 Jun 22 17:10:20 ♥ Stskeeps http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2061502377/ Jun 22 17:10:27 DocScrutinizer: no point, just saying that ~user!*@* wouldn't be a good idea, like i thought the discussion was about Jun 22 17:10:29 ahh man. Jun 22 17:10:34 ok, thanks mate. Jun 22 17:10:47 * Stskeeps goes back to get 2.6.35 on his n810 Jun 22 17:11:00 Stskeeps: nobody ever suggested +b user@* Jun 22 17:11:21 fair enough Jun 22 17:11:52 but you did DocScrutinizer51: [12:38:20] crashanddie: e.g. +q user*!*@* was set for a reason. It's not the extended vocabulary for chanops to tell jokes to the users Jun 22 17:12:06 I did +q user@ Jun 22 17:12:06 i'll suggest it >:P Jun 22 17:12:19 can we move on from the meta discussion to something more substantial, like RPM vs. DEB? Jun 22 17:12:25 kthx Jun 22 17:12:41 Or VIM vs Emacs! Jun 22 17:12:49 bash vs. zsh Jun 22 17:12:50 * BCMM throws things at RPM Jun 22 17:12:54 well, I'll settle for +q Jun 22 17:12:56 Or GTK+ vs Qt Jun 22 17:12:56 * BCMM throws things at Emacs Jun 22 17:13:07 Gizmokid2005: is this a suggestion to dothat? please reread Jun 22 17:13:10 * BCMM throws things at zsh and GTK+ Jun 22 17:13:14 oh, i'm having fun Jun 22 17:13:27 it was suggested it SHOULD have been like that, and that you were upset it was removed. s'all I'm sayin' Jun 22 17:13:29 * zash throws bash and vim at BCMM Jun 22 17:13:51 all this A vs. B is making me want to suggest installing BSD on an n900 Jun 22 17:13:53 maemo.org repos down? Jun 22 17:13:56 * BCMM ducks Jun 22 17:13:58 rpm shmar-pee-emm, deb fleb. its only the package management system that matters (aka zypper, yum, apt, smart...) Jun 22 17:15:18 I have a n900 but the maemo repos arent refershing Jun 22 17:15:22 pkgtool! Jun 22 17:15:51 BCMM: it would be quite an acheivement to run bsd on n900 Jun 22 17:16:13 system v Jun 22 17:16:45 Plan 9 from Bell Labs is the next smartphone OS Jun 22 17:18:11 \ Jun 22 17:18:15 Gizmokid2005: please reread again. that's now what I said Jun 22 17:18:35 s/now/not/ Jun 22 17:18:36 DocScrutinizer51 meant: Gizmokid2005: please reread again. that's not what I said Jun 22 17:19:09 haha, that's a neat feature of infobot Jun 22 17:19:25 s/neat/bloody annoying Jun 22 17:19:40 that is exactly what you said - maybe not what you meant, but what was said. Jun 22 17:21:25 Gizmokid2005: what part of " was set for a reason" is a suggestion to do it and a "being upset" to you? Jun 22 17:22:29 Gizmokid2005: btw it's polite to highlight people when answering to them, esp when it happens with quite some lag Jun 22 17:23:24 DocScrutinizer51: thanks for the lesson in irc ettiquette. There was no discussion between us so I'd have assumed it was known I'd be replying to you. It's not like this is an urgent matter. Jun 22 17:25:08 DocScrutinizer51: as for the part about you being upset, I took a bit of context in with my thought process there, particularly when you said this: [12:39:31] crashanddie: also it's quite good practice to talk to the chanop who's set that restriction before sinply "cleaning" it Jun 22 17:25:19 especially since Freenode is notorious for "loosing" who set a ban. Jun 22 17:25:28 Gizmokid2005: it's just I don't follow IRC closely all the time, esp in case there is no discussion going on. So I more often than not miss your statements that clearly are addressed to me Jun 22 17:25:28 losing Jun 22 17:25:59 damn, this still going on? Jun 22 17:26:11 crashanddie: nope, just friendly discussion :) Jun 22 17:26:17 k Jun 22 17:26:22 it actually stopped for a while, they just restarted again for your benefit Jun 22 17:26:38 hahaha, exactly nidO! Jun 22 17:27:40 Gizmokid2005: please don't interpret things in between lines in what I'm saying. I just asked crashanddie to discuss removing restrictions prior to doing that. Nothing beyond that Jun 22 17:28:31 doesn't anyone think of the CHEESECAKES?! Jun 22 17:29:09 Myrtti: yeah, me. Even carrot cake would be nicer than this :-) Jun 22 17:30:07 * Stskeeps wonders if ex-nokiaguy is going to be a sane contributor to the channel instead of trolling all the time Jun 22 17:30:25 * DocScrutinizer drops a megaton of carrot cake on N900lover aka N900killa aka insanefaka aka nookie Jun 22 17:30:52 Stskeeps: ^^ that's my answer to your wondering :-D Jun 22 17:32:20 also consider the allegedly ex-nokia status might be just another carefully designed detail of a perfect troll identity Jun 22 17:32:33 guys give me a chance Jun 22 17:32:41 i'm not a bad guy Jun 22 17:32:57 little disgruntled - perhaps Jun 22 17:33:37 ex-nokiaguy: okay, so, what topic would you like to discuss? Jun 22 17:35:46 i don't know. everytime i open my mouth you guys get pupset Jun 22 17:36:00 then why don't you just listen Jun 22 17:37:38 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-06-21.log.html#t2010-06-21T19:54:18 Jun 22 17:37:41 interesting fact, 74.198.0.0 apparently is in ontario Jun 22 17:38:03 ex-nokiaguy: well, what do you think of meego? Jun 22 17:38:09 .. try without too much bile Jun 22 17:38:20 oops Jun 22 17:39:52 dunno why the link is broken Jun 22 17:40:00 so thats where the bounce is Jun 22 17:40:09 DocScrutinizer: it worked for me... Jun 22 17:40:28 DocScrutinizer>>insanefaka: you've been warned, kicked, and banned several times during the last few months about your trolling in here 19:54 Jun 22 17:40:29 insanefaka>>alterego: i'm a woman 19:54 Jun 22 17:40:31 DocScrutinizer>>absolutely last warning Jun 22 17:42:33 Haha Jun 22 17:46:51 ex-nokiaguy: it's interesting that even though you realise that you actually piss people off constantly, you don't deem it necessary to do some introspection and try to understand why you piss people off? Jun 22 17:47:58 piss people off? that's not my intent Jun 22 17:48:20 < ex-nokiaguy> i don't know. everytime i open my mouth you guys get pupset Jun 22 17:48:57 also, for the record, claiming to be a nokia guy, an "ex nokia guy" doesn't give you any bonus points in here Jun 22 17:49:19 ok - acknwledged Jun 22 17:49:53 people really couldn't care otherwise, we like people based on who they are, so :P Jun 22 17:50:02 right on Jun 22 17:50:03 *** insanefaka has quit IRC Jun 22 17:50:05 alterego>>Thank god for that :) I think he got the message :) 20:21 Jun 22 17:50:22 I would even be tempted to say that claiming that, as you did previously, in an attempt to in some way or another legitimise your point of view, experience or knowledge, does quite the contrary. Just be a regular user, your experience will show by the advice and help you give, not by any claims you make Jun 22 17:50:28 :) Jun 22 17:50:36 DocScrutinizer: I didn't give you permission to quote me! :D Jun 22 17:50:45 ok... i was just pissed Jun 22 17:50:47 I c&p irclog Jun 22 17:50:56 sure, happens to everyone Jun 22 17:51:12 fair enough, now find a better nickname and start acting like someone who'd just like to chat about maemo, not badmouth it constantly, only sometimes :P Jun 22 17:51:22 ex-nokiaguy aka insanefaka, you're still not using your proper nick though. Why? Jun 22 17:51:57 also, use the webchat until we forget your IP address ;) Jun 22 17:52:13 he's changing nicks like sane people change underwear Jun 22 17:52:16 crashanddie: but the webchat shows the ip address ;-) Jun 22 17:52:27 Myrtti: it does? Jun 22 17:52:31 of course it does Jun 22 17:52:31 here's what's at the heart of my beef: great device such as N900 is being ignored by Nokia. I know, I know....wrong forum here. Jun 22 17:52:36 sweet, sshfs is in the repo for N900 :D Jun 22 17:52:52 ex-nokiaguy: it's not being ignored. Jun 22 17:52:59 I don't feel it's being ignored. Jun 22 17:53:09 told you so Jun 22 17:53:21 it used to be in the real name, but that's even better Jun 22 17:53:21 hmm Jun 22 17:53:23 ex-nokiaguy: at least it's getting advertisement Jun 22 17:53:33 ex-nokiaguy: you and a few like you, seem to expect far too much from Nokia, and we don't give a shit. Jun 22 17:53:51 lol Jun 22 17:53:58 yah, like the n810! Jun 22 17:53:59 ex-nokiaguy: Well, I don't give a shit, others' here might be interested to here your whinging .. Jun 22 17:54:01 * Mousey misses it Jun 22 17:54:03 ex-nokiaguy: but fact is the next devices are the ones for consumers in general, not so much hackers.. Jun 22 17:54:19 in any case, in the cloak or in the realname, the ip address has always been something that has shown somewhere and has always been bannable Jun 22 17:54:37 Myrtti: well, unless you register and login Jun 22 17:54:38 if not elsewhere then in the ident which is the ip address in hex Jun 22 17:54:54 crashanddie: nope, if you use webchat, the webchat cloak overrides your own Jun 22 17:54:58 evening all Jun 22 17:55:29 Myrtti: see, doesn't override it Jun 22 17:55:39 crashanddie: ident still gives you away Jun 22 17:55:51 and ircname is still there too Jun 22 17:56:20 so, as I said, with webchat you're always giving your ip address away Jun 22 17:56:30 [263] WHOIS This command could not be completed because it has been used recently, and is rate-limited. Jun 22 17:56:31 WTF? Jun 22 17:56:39 Myrtti: but you can't ban an ircname Jun 22 17:57:39 crashanddie: /mode #channel +b $r:Foo* from http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml Jun 22 17:57:49 lmao Jun 22 17:57:54 Damnit, sshfs mounted filesystems don't appear under the file manager :( Jun 22 17:57:54 * crashanddie loves Freenode Jun 22 17:58:14 hehehe Jun 22 17:58:26 HTH, HAND. Jun 22 17:58:29 alterego: :-/ Jun 22 17:58:37 alterego: screw HFM Jun 22 17:58:43 DocScrutinizer: pahahaha Jun 22 17:58:51 DocScrutinizer: but it's usually sooooo goood! :P Jun 22 17:58:56 alterego, we know you can mount bind the sshfs, and that would show up in /media Jun 22 17:58:59 yeahh of course Jun 22 17:59:25 Has anyone tried to netboot an N900? Jun 22 17:59:44 gnhnhnhnhn Jun 22 17:59:52 challange: what is the biggest failure of HFM (or just the lib that other apps use) Jun 22 17:59:55 gdidbdidbdidbdidbd Jun 22 18:00:13 alterego: there is no network interface capable of netboot in n900 Jun 22 18:00:29 that's not entirely true. Jun 22 18:00:39 we're doing NFS booting over USB in meego Jun 22 18:00:48 jacekowski: okay, well, I actually meant a custom initfs that mounted it's root via wifi or USB Jun 22 18:00:53 duh! Jun 22 18:00:53 Oh, nice. Jun 22 18:00:56 (go read our pages) Jun 22 18:01:01 Where? :P Jun 22 18:01:18 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 Jun 22 18:01:26 Yeah, google is great Stskeeps :P Jun 22 18:01:36 * DocScrutinizer hamers F2 to enter N900's bios setup Jun 22 18:01:52 dare one read meego wiki pages now? I heard Qgil kill baby kittens if one does ;) Jun 22 18:01:58 I'd really like to mess with my own system on top of the N900. Jun 22 18:02:10 But I guess that'll wait until I get #2 Jun 22 18:02:13 DocScrutinizer: :D Jun 22 18:02:30 Stskeeps: but it's still not pxe capable Jun 22 18:02:39 We could use MeeGo 1.0 as a recovery console, maybe not quite a BIOS, but in fact a bit better :P Jun 22 18:02:45 Stskeeps: you still need kernel in the phone Jun 22 18:02:46 It has Qt too! but only an xterminal ... Jun 22 18:02:54 jacekowski: sendable over US Jun 22 18:02:55 B Jun 22 18:03:09 Stskeeps: true netboot will work with just builtin bootloader Jun 22 18:03:37 mm Jun 22 18:04:58 Stskeeps: does nokia only work w/ adapting meego to its own shitz or are they part of the core dev of the os too? Jun 22 18:05:46 * Stskeeps goes look at the current nominations Jun 22 18:06:23 Guys, could this be causing me build errors? http://maemo.org/packages/view/qt-mobility/ Jun 22 18:06:29 the package looks dead. Jun 22 18:06:47 It was rebuild this morning Jun 22 18:07:04 at 8~ Jun 22 18:07:13 and I can't build anything that uses libqtm-contacts / multimedia etc. Jun 22 18:07:47 tybollt: 1/2 of the community office, 2/3 of chief architects, half of program office, sitting on lead architect of core os, core os releases, QA, handset UX product, handset UX architects, lead designer of handset UX.. Jun 22 18:07:53 tybollt: so, they sit on a fair bunch of stuff Jun 22 18:10:07 no takers to my challenge? Jun 22 18:11:01 I would say it's lack of sorting, makes attaching images a pain as most images have autocreated names, but you'd want to sort by the file metadata Jun 22 18:14:32 anyone know how to extract a QImage from a QIcon? Jun 22 18:14:48 item(i)->icon().pixmap().toImage() seems unhappy Jun 22 18:15:05 lardman, euh, I think you paint the icon yourself, on the QImage Jun 22 18:15:10 onto* Jun 22 18:15:27 nah I have an icon, I would like to extract a QImage so I can save the app state and restore it Jun 22 18:15:43 as the icon is originally created from a QImage Jun 22 18:15:47 ah Jun 22 18:15:56 and why is saving the icon not possible? Jun 22 18:16:09 it probably is now you mention it Jun 22 18:16:20 was just trying to avoid changing code too much if I could avoid it Jun 22 18:16:22 :-D Jun 22 18:16:40 lardman|home: qds << myicon; Jun 22 18:16:50 lardman|home: then qds is a PNG iamge Jun 22 18:17:03 of what type? Jun 22 18:17:05 QImage? Jun 22 18:17:40 no, PNG Jun 22 18:18:10 it's a var though? What is it, a memory buffer? Jun 22 18:18:20 or is it a file descriptor? Jun 22 18:18:23 etc Jun 22 18:18:34 oh, qds = QDataStream Jun 22 18:18:39 ah ok Jun 22 18:18:49 I'm actually saving to a QSettings Jun 22 18:20:43 sorted, skipped the QImage step and left it all as QIcon Jun 22 18:20:47 thanks Jun 22 18:21:28 k Jun 22 18:27:11 When I ssh to my N900 and open a gui app the app open on my N900 screen. I've initialized the connection using -X, but still the same. I have tried x11vnc, which is pretty nice, but has some nasty limits (like alt not working + some other keys). Jun 22 18:28:05 So what do I need to be able to open X apps from remote host (my laptop) that are run from my N900? Jun 22 18:28:37 "still the same" Jun 22 18:28:44 what's the problem? Jun 22 18:30:44 Zucca: wifi/usb networking Jun 22 18:30:51 Zucca: and x server on remote host Jun 22 18:31:11 Appiah: Apps open up on my N900 instead on my laptop's screen. Jun 22 18:31:37 Zucca: 3 things Jun 22 18:31:44 Tell me. :) Jun 22 18:31:45 Zucca: network connection between n900 and x server Jun 22 18:31:55 Zucca: x server configured to accept client connection Jun 22 18:32:04 from remote host ( n900 ) Jun 22 18:32:20 and n900 configured to connect to remote X server Jun 22 18:32:28 My N900 is the server in this case. And laptop is the client. Jun 22 18:32:34 ah Jun 22 18:32:42 ok, you need xhost on n900 Jun 22 18:32:43 Zucca: are you using the correct DISPLAY= ? Jun 22 18:32:55 and then you have to run xhost + in terminal Jun 22 18:33:03 to tell it to accept connection from any host Jun 22 18:33:10 jacekowski: Just apt-get install xhost? Jun 22 18:33:36 i don't think it's in repositor Jun 22 18:33:41 repository Jun 22 18:33:46 you might have to build it Jun 22 18:34:19 I first ran x11vnc (server) on my N900. It was easy enough to set up, but as I said: there was some limits. Jun 22 18:34:42 I had to install it from diablo repo. Jun 22 18:34:50 hmmmm Jun 22 18:36:15 it looks like X server on n900 is configured to don't listen on tcp Jun 22 18:36:18 I still use cli mostly, but sometimes I need to access GUI apps on my N900. That's why I think sshd with X forward on my N900 would be the best solution. Jun 22 18:36:24 it's not going to work Jun 22 18:36:36 Ah. :( Jun 22 18:36:37 Shame. Jun 22 18:36:52 n900 will only accept local connections Jun 22 18:37:07 ssh -X. Jun 22 18:37:11 jacekowski: then what about ssh port forwrding? Jun 22 18:37:29 local over AF_UNIX socket Jun 22 18:37:36 ssh will not help Jun 22 18:37:40 poo Jun 22 18:37:53 but Jun 22 18:38:05 lardman|home, why did your image end up as an icon i nthe first place \?/ Jun 22 18:38:14 it might be possible to create simple app that would listen on tcp and forward to unix socket Jun 22 18:38:24 Hm. Is it possible to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to enable it? Jun 22 18:38:41 I guess not. Jun 22 18:38:52 Cause you'd told me that already. :P Jun 22 18:38:55 That abill_uk guy really brings out the worst in me. Jun 22 18:38:56 Zucca: i'm not sure if it's not disabled at compile time Jun 22 18:39:10 I swear he's dillusional ... Jun 22 18:39:40 I think he's the worst kind of Troll, he doesn't even realise he's Trolling :( Jun 22 18:39:49 oh ubuntu, i love thee. selecting a desktop background image whilst i have device plugged in, great - spans over multi monitors, looks cool... Jun 22 18:39:57 ..unplug device and image goes away Jun 22 18:40:10 plug device in 3 weeks later and it comes back :D Jun 22 18:40:13 what is he usually going on about? i couldn't follow his yammering Jun 22 18:41:29 I think you need to pick out key "sentances" there's a high signal/bullshit ratio in his posts. Jun 22 18:41:34 in the next release of firefox on n900, we'd like to implement a "sharing" system where you can send a link, image or text to an email, sms, twitter or facebook (for example) Jun 22 18:41:53 lcuk, that would be a nice way to change a friends background while their system is locked... to something inappropriate of course Jun 22 18:42:03 mfinkle: what about IM through Telepathy? :P Jun 22 18:42:07 I figure we can use dbus calls to open applications that support email, sms, twitter and facebook Jun 22 18:42:18 alterego: sure, sounds good Jun 22 18:42:26 but the problem we have is discovery Jun 22 18:42:36 flailingmonkey, thats sort of thing we used to do for shits n giggles Jun 22 18:42:43 turns out not many apps publish the dbus calls they support Jun 22 18:42:45 I'm actually working on a Telepathy service for twitter. Jun 22 18:42:46 well, the n900 does have that share subsystem Jun 22 18:42:54 fullscreen locked screens and cracks etc ;) Jun 22 18:43:01 flailingmonkey: link? Jun 22 18:43:03 mfinkle: Telepathy is a set of dbus interface specifications Jun 22 18:43:06 snap desktop, set as desktop backgroun, remove icons Jun 22 18:43:18 they spend 10 minutes trying to click on fake icons Jun 22 18:43:33 flailingmonkey: that's just for media (photo's and video's) I believe. Jun 22 18:43:50 flailingmonkey: we are supporting Android as well, and the "intent" system on Android makes "sharing" with external applications easy Jun 22 18:43:51 ah, that is true. Jun 22 18:43:59 alterego: right Jun 22 18:44:04 luke-jr: ping Jun 22 18:44:46 even finding the dbus method to open a compose email, passing the "to", "subject" and "body" is not easy Jun 22 18:44:47 perhaps the share system would be a suitable place to put such functionality? Jun 22 18:45:07 flailingmonkey: that seems to be only built into the photo gallery app Jun 22 18:45:12 not a system for other apps to use Jun 22 18:45:18 mfinkle: anyhow, my point is, Telepathy has many services that implement that interface, so you have MSN, ICQ, Jabber etc. But you talk and discover them all through using the Telepathy specification. Jun 22 18:45:25 Stskeeps: pong Jun 22 18:45:31 mfinkle: sure, email is a different kettle of fish, you'll need to look at modest for that. Jun 22 18:45:52 alterego: and photo apps, and twitter apps, etc.... Jun 22 18:45:55 luke-jr: got a 2.6.34/35 n8x0 kernel? Jun 22 18:46:00 Zucca, have you considered xnvc? Jun 22 18:46:09 Stskeeps: no Jun 22 18:46:12 luke-jr: damnit Jun 22 18:46:33 but we want to determine the best way to hand off data to external apps and then publish _how_ Firefox supports it so other applications can support sharing easily Jun 22 18:46:35 mfinkle: for photo and video sharing services like flickr, we already have that using sharing plugins, I don't know what the underlying architecture is, but I'm guessing it is a lot like Telepathy and is dbus based. Jun 22 18:47:00 alterego: yes, web-based services are easy for us Jun 22 18:47:03 mfinkle: if you bare with me, I can do a few tests and find out for you ;) Jun 22 18:47:14 native apps are our concern Jun 22 18:47:26 alterego: any help would be great Jun 22 18:47:28 mfinkle: ah, okay. So, what apps do you want? Jun 22 18:47:32 email obviously .. Jun 22 18:47:48 eamil, sms, im to start Jun 22 18:48:01 we'd like to support photos (images) too Jun 22 18:48:25 Unfortunately, that isn't possible with SMS or IM at the moment. Jun 22 18:48:25 and then facebook and twitter - but to local native clients, not the web Jun 22 18:48:52 Actually, it is possible, I'm being an idiot :) Jun 22 18:49:00 You can't do it with SMS, but you can send text. Jun 22 18:49:09 IM is fine as it's done with Telepathy. Jun 22 18:49:46 And I've just figured out how to do it with email ;) Jun 22 18:49:54 send text with SMS? or with IM only Jun 22 18:50:01 mfinkle: I'll poke around the sharing api, as its open Jun 22 18:50:43 flailingmonkey: thanks Jun 22 18:50:45 mfinkle: sorry, I'll be more concise, SMS is text only, IM protocols, some do support file transfer, so you can send images/files through IM using Telepathy. Jun 22 18:51:10 SMS as text only would be fine too Jun 22 18:51:18 the more ways we can share, the better Jun 22 18:51:26 I see modest has a dbus call http://gitorious.org/modest/modest/blobs/master/libmodest-dbus-client/src/libmodest-dbus-client.c#line128 Jun 22 18:51:54 that looks like we could make a new email, with receip, subject and body Jun 22 18:52:04 Exactly :) Jun 22 18:52:17 but I didn't see that in the modest.desktop file Jun 22 18:52:43 so how could Firefox "discover" what apps support? Jun 22 18:52:56 I mean, worse case we could hard code a list Jun 22 18:52:57 You'll find a lot of it aren't open to introspection or published anywhere, except Telepathy, as it's just a specification of dbus interfaces. Jun 22 18:53:00 but that is fragile Jun 22 18:53:29 Well, modest is email, your discovery will just have to be that. Jun 22 18:53:48 Though not all people have modest installed. Jun 22 18:53:56 IM is discoverable in the way you want, as in, you can find out which protocols a user has accounts for, and list them, then you can work out whether those protocols allow file sharing. Jun 22 18:53:59 (I suspect the vast majority would) Jun 22 18:55:16 SpeedEvil: right Jun 22 18:55:27 for some apps we could make assumptions Jun 22 18:55:33 mfinkle, is this gonna be a plugin for laptop too? Jun 22 18:55:36 but other apps may or may not be installed Jun 22 18:55:37 or is this not a plugin? Jun 22 18:55:52 lcuk: not a plugin Jun 22 18:55:53 mfinkle: the Sharing API is designed around sending a file, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/Sharing_Plug-in Jun 22 18:55:58 built into firefox 2 Jun 22 18:56:03 for maemo Jun 22 18:56:18 it could be an add-on for firefox 1.1 for maemo Jun 22 18:56:18 ahh so no chance to get same functionality everywhere.. Jun 22 18:56:32 we'll support it on android too Jun 22 18:56:33 * lcuk has firefox on all machines Jun 22 18:56:40 meego? Jun 22 18:56:42 Except with Telepathy, which is on most Desktop Linux too :) Jun 22 18:56:50 * SpeedEvil imagines lcuks washing machine. Jun 22 18:57:02 we'll support meego for devices Jun 22 18:57:03 yes alterego thats what i was thinking Jun 22 18:57:37 if we can support desktops, we will - but desktops are not firefox mobile's main target Jun 22 18:57:57 I could support Windows, for example, pretty easily Jun 22 18:57:59 sure, but arent all the XUL stuff compatible? Jun 22 18:58:09 yes Jun 22 18:58:14 lcuk: XUL is just the front end, the core is C++ and ugly :P Jun 22 18:58:29 but the hard part is handing off the data to the external apps Jun 22 18:58:34 having proper introspection would be ideal though Jun 22 18:58:49 flailingmonkey: or a better registration Jun 22 18:58:54 aye Jun 22 18:58:56 Though, having mozilla interfaces for Telepathy seems like an extremely good idea. Jun 22 18:59:04 * lcuk nods Jun 22 18:59:18 alterego: at this point we would wrap the c code in JS ctypes Jun 22 18:59:19 Telepathy supports introspection like I said. Jun 22 18:59:44 and Telepathy only covers a small subset of the sharing we want to do Jun 22 19:00:01 the whole Conversations app is closed right? Jun 22 19:00:04 /usr/share/applications/defaults.list could be better (for maemo) Jun 22 19:00:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/URL_Handler/API_rev2 could be expanded Jun 22 19:00:35 flailingmonkey: the conversations application is just a frontend, the interseeeting stuff is all dbus. Jun 22 19:00:54 flailingmonkey: and well defined, it's Telepathy. Jun 22 19:01:05 * alterego hugs Telepathy :) Jun 22 19:01:18 * mfinkle digs through some other .desktop files on his N900 Jun 22 19:01:22 It was a dog to get into, but now I can see how cool it is :) Jun 22 19:01:32 aha. so is SMS properly discoverable? Jun 22 19:02:50 mfinkle, just because an app handles certain mime types does not mean it will share them with others for you Jun 22 19:03:10 lcuk: we just want to share them with the native app Jun 22 19:03:20 what the app does is up to it Jun 22 19:03:21 flailingmonkey: I don't actually think SMS is done through Telepathy, though it should be. Jun 22 19:03:25 Actually, it is. Jun 22 19:03:31 I'm bein' an idiot. Jun 22 19:03:38 (again) Jun 22 19:03:48 lcuk: right click on an image in firefox and "share" with sketch app or photo gallery Jun 22 19:04:01 ahh right mfinkle you just want an open with dialog Jun 22 19:04:07 i thought you meant full on sharing Jun 22 19:04:11 with remote services Jun 22 19:04:16 nope Jun 22 19:04:28 "sharing" is difficult decision then Jun 22 19:04:39 we can do remote services sharing easier than native app sharing! :) Jun 22 19:04:44 and dont you already have all the framework in place? based on movies and media? Jun 22 19:04:52 lcuk: "sahring" is the Android term Jun 22 19:04:57 sharing, that is :) Jun 22 19:05:44 see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Projects/Sharing for more details Jun 22 19:05:45 wouldnt be the first time android was wrong ;) Jun 22 19:05:59 the "intent" system is damn slick though Jun 22 19:06:29 there is a lot of ideas on that wiki page Jun 22 19:06:45 the example on your page shows sharing in android like i described :S Jun 22 19:06:48 remote services Jun 22 19:07:16 but the basic idea is captured here http://www.flickr.com/photos/madhava_work/4601159667/in/set-72157624047196360/ Jun 22 19:07:44 there is a whole sharing services api available on maemo already.. Jun 22 19:08:03 like for flickr? Jun 22 19:08:05 yeah Jun 22 19:08:08 I know what I should do .. Jun 22 19:08:24 but what about passing data to modest to make an email Jun 22 19:08:25 I should write a sharing service for Telepathy. Jun 22 19:08:37 mfinkle, open a picture on your n900 and select the sharing icon Jun 22 19:08:41 So you can use the inbuilt sharing support to send contacts photo's and videos! Jun 22 19:08:49 lcuk: yeah, I use that alot Jun 22 19:09:12 Has anyone already done this? Jun 22 19:09:35 lcuk: are there any docs on the sharing service? Jun 22 19:09:47 I don't think it does what we want, but I could be wrong Jun 22 19:10:31 Like I said, the sharing services only support sending photos and videos to services like flickr, facebook etc. Jun 22 19:10:47 lcuk, they also want to be able to "share" links and text, to E-mail, SMS, IM, and some more Jun 22 19:10:50 But, I'm planning (now) to write IM integration too :) Jun 22 19:11:00 leveraging a users local apps Jun 22 19:11:26 the sharing service lets you send any file Jun 22 19:11:39 nidO: we don't want to send files Jun 22 19:11:39 No ones cares :( I thought my idea was really cool Jun 22 19:12:13 ill rephrase, it now supports the sharing of any content, so sharing direct text using it shouldnt prove particularly complex Jun 22 19:12:29 nidO: nice Jun 22 19:12:58 can I use it to send modest a contact, subject and body for an email? Jun 22 19:13:09 or send the map app a geo-location? Jun 22 19:13:21 or address Jun 22 19:13:52 send via email Jun 22 19:13:57 send via bluetooth Jun 22 19:14:02 share via service Jun 22 19:14:07 x services available Jun 22 19:14:17 any file as nidO says Jun 22 19:14:21 so content upto apps Jun 22 19:14:23 I have no idea if you can pre-fil the recipient and subject using the sharing service, as standard itll just pre-fill the content to share either in the body or as an attachment and open the message in modest Jun 22 19:14:54 well the sharing service could be adapted - you can have ux in there Jun 22 19:14:57 alterego: sounds awesome. sending files to telepathy contacts, definitely a big deal Jun 22 19:15:19 i don't think any of the conversation IM plugins support file sending Jun 22 19:15:19 alterego, yes your idea is good Jun 22 19:15:30 flailingmonkey: sure they do Jun 22 19:15:35 tubes! Jun 22 19:15:35 just install the file transfer UI Jun 22 19:15:41 lcuk: no, just file transfer Jun 22 19:15:57 aww Jun 22 19:16:03 Yeah, but this will be better than that file transfer ui Jun 22 19:16:09 * lcuk has been reading tubes more Jun 22 19:16:10 the libsharing stuff was too much of a crazy mess for us to plug it into telepathy file sharing initially, so we made a new app first Jun 22 19:16:18 The proper way to do it ;) Jun 22 19:16:20 bbiab] Jun 22 19:16:28 we're trying to get more of a handle on libsharing to plug telepathy in there too Jun 22 19:16:44 but it's written by somebody who obviously isn't used to async mainloop programming and has crazy threads and all sorts of stuff Jun 22 19:16:46 nidO, lcuk: ok, I'll try to dig up info on the sharing service Jun 22 19:17:15 as in, our engineers found it pretty hard to understand and work with. even the ones who had the source. :/ Jun 22 19:17:43 where is file transfer ui? living in devel? Jun 22 19:17:56 found http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/Sharing_Plug-in Jun 22 19:17:57 alterego, how much do you know about telepathy and are you in a position to do some more digging Jun 22 19:19:10 mfinkle: I mentioned that one a while back :P Jun 22 19:21:02 looks like thatll do exactly what you want for email at least, you can bypass the sharing ui entirely to share content via email with modest and pre-fill any content you want Jun 22 19:22:12 damn, sorry flailingmonkey Jun 22 19:22:29 nidO: right Jun 22 19:22:48 we'd like to use SMS too, for sending raw text Jun 22 19:23:16 we might be able to make "plug-ins" for other services we'd like to support - facebook and twitter for example Jun 22 19:23:20 thatll just be using dbus directly to send a message then, rather than going through the sharing api Jun 22 19:29:40 nidO: for SMS? Jun 22 19:29:56 is Telepathy the API for SMS too? Jun 22 19:30:11 or is it IM only Jun 22 19:30:51 lcuk: I'm pretty confident Telepathy now :) Jun 22 19:31:09 I'll ping you later Jun 22 19:31:29 found http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples Jun 22 19:31:31 alterego, is SMS also exposed by Telepathy API? Jun 22 19:41:39 knock, knock ? Jun 22 19:42:43 nobody home Jun 22 19:43:12 Hey I've previously been able to mount the MyDocs partition inside the eMMC firmware file... can't remember how now though - can anyone else? Jun 22 19:44:11 see? I am nice. Jun 22 19:49:51 shit, the fonts way too small in the browser....goin blind here Jun 22 19:50:44 :( Jun 22 19:51:57 hi Jun 22 19:52:05 is it normal for n97s to crash when someone queries you on irc? Jun 22 19:52:14 i tried to irc from it but it crashes everytime i get aa pvt query Jun 22 19:53:29 N97 is an utter piece of shit....who wants mine for free? Jun 22 19:54:04 or u talking bout n900? Jun 22 19:54:13 no the n97 Jun 22 19:54:15 i got maemo on it Jun 22 19:54:22 and the soiftware crashes everytime someone queries Jun 22 19:54:24 annoying Jun 22 19:54:25 u did? kool dude Jun 22 19:55:02 but with dat weak processor and half ass ram how can it handle maemo? Jun 22 19:56:12 http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Software-Updates/Maemo-5-on-N97/m-p/566203 Jun 22 19:56:39 i guess it supports it now doesnt it Jun 22 19:56:46 big mouth Jun 22 19:56:56 I want an n920 Jun 22 19:56:57 if you choose to do an upgrade they give you maemo Jun 22 19:57:01 and i took up maemo Jun 22 19:57:09 the old software with the n97 was even worse Jun 22 19:57:21 say whut ??? Jun 22 19:57:39 read the fucking link big mouth Jun 22 19:57:39 they give you maemo on pos n90 ??? Jun 22 19:57:45 did you read the link? Jun 22 19:57:58 what fucken link? Jun 22 19:57:58 no if you wished to do an upgrade nokia gives you the choice of installing maemo on it Jun 22 19:58:03 what a bloody troll Jun 22 19:58:07 stfu Jun 22 19:58:10 wow...thats huge man Jun 22 19:58:12 anyone else has maemo running on the n97? Jun 22 19:58:23 sorry didnt see yer link mate Jun 22 19:59:47 but.... Jun 22 20:00:18 there nothing in that link that states nokia will upgrade yer n97 to maemo....learn to fucken read mate Jun 22 20:00:43 no need to be nasty.... ;) Jun 22 20:01:15 he started it Jun 22 20:01:25 called me "big mouth" Jun 22 20:02:43 now now kids, lets play nice Jun 22 20:03:38 funny how quickly he left Jun 22 20:04:04 oh well Jun 22 20:04:46 not quite Jun 22 20:04:49 i got disconnected Jun 22 20:05:10 and i wasnt the big mouth, you were being a smart ass know it all thinking i was talking outta my ass, till i showed you the link Jun 22 20:05:43 would you people go somewhere else to troll? Jun 22 20:05:47 nah, you're just being a rude fucker, and there's nothing on that link even suggesting the possibility of maemo on the n97, because there's no such thing Jun 22 20:07:10 i need a resume javascript button :P Jun 22 20:07:43 i wasnt the big mouth....you started talking stupid shit Jun 22 20:09:08 there will NEVER I repeat NEVER maemo on n97 Jun 22 20:09:35 that would be quite unexpected Jun 22 20:09:48 who'd want maemo on such low resolution anyway? :P Jun 22 20:09:56 n97 is a weak pos Jun 22 20:10:28 maemo 4 would run on an N97 Jun 22 20:10:45 i vote we discuss bacon instead Jun 22 20:10:45 yes but run like shit Jun 22 20:10:45 :P Jun 22 20:11:03 * MohammadAG votes for that too Jun 22 20:11:04 just because it can run dont mean it good Jun 22 20:11:14 let's discuss getting rid of crashanddie too Jun 22 20:11:15 hmmm bacon... Jun 22 20:11:15 bacon can run meamo 6 Jun 22 20:11:30 no my friend, bacon can run crysis Jun 22 20:11:46 it can run crysis on maemo6 Jun 22 20:11:46 that fucker made it sound he had it runnin.... Jun 22 20:12:17 mamas-boy: what about my 3210? can I have it on there? Jun 22 20:12:26 Hi all, Jun 22 20:12:36 hi Jun 22 20:12:45 yo dudes Jun 22 20:12:46 MohammadAG yes it does Jun 22 20:12:47 just weak Jun 22 20:12:50 omnonom Jun 22 20:12:53 but better than symbian nonsense Jun 22 20:13:03 I been trying to install Easy debian on my n900 and have been having issues i hope you could help me with Jun 22 20:13:16 symbian is shit Jun 22 20:13:26 mamas-boy you silly fuck i have it running Jun 22 20:13:40 its slow but works just fine Jun 22 20:13:46 * trip0 prepares soap to wash out some potty mouths Jun 22 20:13:49 course you do Jun 22 20:14:31 Everytime i go to install the Debian image i get a msg saying " Main:Debian 5/6 image with working audio (main Server)" Jun 22 20:15:27 kafe: show us fucken screenshots or somethi...otherwise no Jun 22 20:16:52 kafe: and how do you boot the linux kernel? Jun 22 20:17:04 im gonna laugh my ass off when he comes back with screenshots of a symbian n97 with gdesk and the maemo theme installed Jun 22 20:17:15 dudes full of shit Jun 22 20:18:58 rofl, obvious troll is obvious Jun 22 20:20:41 Does anybody know if the camera can be used from a command line application (like take a photo every 5 sec and stream it) ? Jun 22 20:20:56 lcuk: re icon, no idea, that's just the way it came out - ask dragly Jun 22 20:21:01 Stskeeps: bacon...? :) Jun 22 20:21:35 I want to stream the content of a whiteboard, the frontside camera image quality for video conferencing is not sufficient. Jun 22 20:21:49 Small question about charging yet again. Jun 22 20:22:06 there are APIs to access the camera Jun 22 20:22:06 Can I use my fiancees N97 charger for my N900? Jun 22 20:22:09 rd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Shoot_photo_after_10_seconds ? Jun 22 20:22:17 flailingmonkey: yes of course Jun 22 20:22:26 lardman|home, reasonable enough, is that storing the barcode image ? Jun 22 20:22:28 DrGrov, if it's a usb charger, sure? Jun 22 20:22:28 DrGrov: yes Jun 22 20:22:40 lcuk: yeah, is a history snapshot Jun 22 20:22:46 * lcuk nods Jun 22 20:22:46 No difference in the charger itself? Jun 22 20:22:49 till-roll stylee Jun 22 20:22:53 yeah sure Jun 22 20:23:03 All Nokia USB chargers will work with each USB-typed phone? Jun 22 20:23:07 greece goalie was a dude Jun 22 20:23:15 atm the history is not restored, so am just implementing that Jun 22 20:23:20 ahh Jun 22 20:23:52 DrGrov: usb has a fixed voltage afaiu, so I guess sp Jun 22 20:23:53 so Jun 22 20:24:13 mamas-boy: ok, i will charge it with my fiancees N97. I hate this now since I put my own charger somewhere and can not find it. Is it a big difference with the USB to regular charger how fast it charges? Jun 22 20:24:29 yep Jun 22 20:24:47 but better than nothing Jun 22 20:25:01 the output of the N97 charger is 1200 mA Jun 22 20:25:14 DrGrov, whichever method for charging you use - you can optimise the time it takes: turn off screen and wifi - i charge when out and about from my laptop much quicker that way Jun 22 20:25:16 my n900 charges rather slowly over usb on *some* computers Jun 22 20:25:19 wall chargers are faster than usb to pc ones Jun 22 20:25:34 trip0, you can enter negative equity technically Jun 22 20:25:36 DrGrov: USB charging is kinda welldefined, so yes, each correct USB charger should work with each device charging over USB Jun 22 20:25:37 lcuk: ok, i have nothing turned on in the phone now. Jun 22 20:25:53 DrGrov, good :) tis just sensible advice really Jun 22 20:25:58 my pc to usb cable charging take for fraking ages man Jun 22 20:26:08 DrGrov: is this a wall charger though @1200mA? Jun 22 20:26:10 lcuk: yes of course. it is a big difference, but logical to figure it out still :) Jun 22 20:26:17 lardman|home: yes, 1200 mA Jun 22 20:26:21 DrGrov, you would be surprised.. Jun 22 20:26:34 well that's going to be quite fast like the N900 wall charger then Jun 22 20:26:59 the little magnet thingy on my kickstand came off... Jun 22 20:27:04 it is quite good, it has that same B symbol on it and thus perhaps exactly the same Jun 22 20:27:15 quite probably Jun 22 20:28:05 lcuk: how is the battery question these days? sensible to buy a new battery to keep with me? or just unnecessary? Jun 22 20:28:34 DocScrutinizer: thanks for the information. you know, just curious about all kind of things. lol :) Jun 22 20:28:46 DrGrov, depends entirely on usage Jun 22 20:29:03 i take one if im on a train journey and watching movies entire way Jun 22 20:29:05 lcuk: i feel restricted now with just 1 battery somehow. i am always constantly afraid to run out of battery. Jun 22 20:29:08 but not in normal conditions Jun 22 20:29:15 meh meh meh meh Jun 22 20:29:22 Myrtti, :P Jun 22 20:29:37 trip0: ?? Jun 22 20:29:38 Myrtti: PMS? Jun 22 20:29:59 Myrtti: oh, damn it! wrong person, sorry..... Jun 22 20:30:13 whut ??? Jun 22 20:30:20 rd: do you need more help with that? Jun 22 20:30:22 nevermind, i go and disappear now Jun 22 20:30:29 asj_, kickstand is flopping in the wind... I need to find some super glue to glue the magnet back on Jun 22 20:30:53 trip0: good plan Jun 22 20:30:54 what happened to the magnet? Jun 22 20:30:55 trip0: yup, is the one in the back or the annoying plastic bit? Jun 22 20:31:06 lcuk: you are a developer? Jun 22 20:31:21 DrGrov, sometimes Jun 22 20:31:35 mamas-boy, luckily the magnet is still attached to the other magnet Jun 22 20:31:50 trip0, omg how will you get them apart? :o Jun 22 20:31:51 amazing how magnets "stick" together :P Jun 22 20:32:03 trip0: though it's actually just a magnetic piece of iron. The magnet is in the back cover and seves second purpose to activate a hall switch unmounting the uSD when cover removed Jun 22 20:32:09 lcuk, idk... :S I haven't thought that far ahead yet Jun 22 20:32:22 now it will be interesting to see what the battery state is after almost 24 hours of complete idle use. Jun 22 20:32:25 DocScrutinizer, magnetic piece of iron == same as a magnet.. Jun 22 20:32:47 DrGrov, why the question? device happily lasts 24h Jun 22 20:33:01 ah, but you want rare earth to rip fingers off Jun 22 20:33:14 lcuk: yes but i am always god damn paranoid since i never know when i am taking calls on-the-fly nonstop Jun 22 20:33:15 lcuk: paperclip (is element of) magnetic piece of iron Jun 22 20:33:16 -magnets that is Jun 22 20:33:47 DocScrutinizer, stroke paperclip lovingly with a magnet Jun 22 20:34:08 or with silk so I understand Jun 22 20:34:14 lcuk: does it last 48 hours without any calls and just standby idle with keylock on? Jun 22 20:34:15 dim the lights Jun 22 20:34:18 put on the barry white Jun 22 20:34:26 DrGrov: yes Jun 22 20:34:26 vldcnst: thanks, very nice page :-) Jun 22 20:34:27 DrGrov, idk Jun 22 20:34:44 oh fiddlesticks Jun 22 20:34:49 ive lost my lighter Jun 22 20:34:52 lardman|home: ok, so no need to keep charging every day good.... Jun 22 20:35:00 damn this, i gotta find myself a new brain somewhere. Jun 22 20:35:08 -sh: /usr/bin/gst-launch: not found Jun 22 20:35:08 DrGrov: no, I don't necessarily do so, but would if I could Jun 22 20:35:12 lcukn900: http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=70_80 -- try to get some of these apart ;) Jun 22 20:35:16 which package does bring gst-launch ? Jun 22 20:35:20 DrGrov, charge as you see it needs it Jun 22 20:35:22 getting too damn insane about these all kind of things forth and back Jun 22 20:35:26 can last a couple of days with calls, but not any real interneting (and not 3G for sure) Jun 22 20:35:40 i just keep it in 2G all the time to consume battery Jun 22 20:35:55 conserve? Jun 22 20:35:59 ah yes of course Jun 22 20:35:59 I guess ;) Jun 22 20:36:02 conserve Jun 22 20:36:02 :) Jun 22 20:36:04 you see Jun 22 20:36:08 i am becoming insane Jun 22 20:36:20 same here, but still eats it faster than wifi Jun 22 20:36:22 is there a threshhold? Jun 22 20:37:47 threshold? for what? Jun 22 20:37:52 sudden transition as soon as you view TMO you reckon? Jun 22 20:37:53 rd: gstreamer-tools Jun 22 20:38:46 DocScrutinizer, insanity Jun 22 20:38:51 wow the nokia guys have symlinked half the things I normally do with 1.2 in to /opt Jun 22 20:38:54 lol Jun 22 20:38:54 DrGrov, said he was becoming it Jun 22 20:39:03 including the apt cache Jun 22 20:39:08 Lantizia, yes, and with a reproducable package too Jun 22 20:39:22 lcuk, what do you mean by that? Jun 22 20:39:40 theres still a few dirs in /usr and /usr/share that I normally move to the eMMC Jun 22 20:39:44 not sure if I should now Jun 22 20:39:51 nokia must have left them out for good reason Jun 22 20:39:52 random scripts to change system on the wiki that then gets forgotten about causes no end of problems ;) Jun 22 20:39:57 vldcnst: thanks, I found gstreamer0.10-tools Jun 22 20:40:03 lcuk: I claim I never *get* insane - impossible by definition of 'get' Jun 22 20:40:20 Lantizia, you could add them to the optify configuration file Jun 22 20:40:37 and that is? Jun 22 20:40:59 http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime Jun 22 20:41:09 all I mean is (for example)... move /usr/share/sounds to /opt/usr/share/sounds and symlink it Jun 22 20:42:27 Lantizia, what happens if subfolders within the usrsharesounds had symlinks already Jun 22 20:42:32 3.3M sounds, 10.6M locale, 3.3M mime, 1.1M tutorial-applet, 2.0M zoneinfo Jun 22 20:42:38 Lantizia: probably meant to enable the very initial batery charging sound on ACT_DEAD (when there's no *real* system up and running) Jun 22 20:42:42 all the others I normally do Nokia has already done Jun 22 20:43:45 Lantizia: these 5 seem sane to move to /opt, for me Jun 22 20:44:20 some are even quite obvious, like tutorial-applet Jun 22 20:44:42 DocScrutinizer, oh and include, local, src, and var from /usr - but these have practically nothing in them Jun 22 20:44:58 but could fill up Jun 22 20:45:29 it looked like a fully charged battery even after 24 hours of idle Jun 22 20:45:42 will be interesting to monitor how long it takes to charge it full now Jun 22 20:45:43 so it's probably safe for them as well, as there's obviously nothing in them which is system critical Jun 22 20:45:49 hi. I have a openvpn connection between my n900 and my computer, can I surf the web over the openvpn connection? Jun 22 20:46:30 ioan, I think you've just gotta tell the openvpn applet to use it for all routes Jun 22 20:47:44 head ache Jun 22 20:48:05 DocScrutinizer, well I like to install everything I like including bit stuff like openarena... so I normally increase /home from 2GB to 21GB and MyDocs down from 29GB to 8GB.... but I'm thinking maybe thats silly and I should have 8GB for /home and 21GB for MyDocs? Seem like a sensible amount for avoiding disk space issues for someone who installs lots of packages especiailly from extras-devel... or do I need more? Jun 22 20:48:15 s/bit/big Jun 22 20:49:00 why not just do symlinks ? Jun 22 20:49:09 Lantizia: sorry, don't know. To me 2GB seems plenty Jun 22 20:49:09 what ppl get complicate with partitions ? Jun 22 20:49:21 s/what/why/h Jun 22 20:49:27 E0x, I do... and if you want more space then symlinks don't cut it Jun 22 20:49:27 err g* Jun 22 20:49:38 as you're still stuck to 2GB Jun 22 20:49:54 symlink the bigs folder to Mydocs Jun 22 20:49:55 Lantizia, i would like to have this discussion with you, but tonights not the night Jun 22 20:50:04 (for me ) Jun 22 20:50:05 E0x, then it gets screwed if you plug USB in Jun 22 20:50:24 lcuk, what is it you need to know? Jun 22 20:50:33 well with usb in in storage mode i don't do anything with my phone Jun 22 20:50:38 that is not access the data on it Jun 22 20:50:43 so is ok for me Jun 22 20:50:48 Lantizia, its not need to know, its considering the case of 2gb and above - something discussed whilst we were doing this optify Jun 22 20:50:57 E0x: symlink to MyDocs will shoot your foot when USB mass storage Jun 22 20:50:59 E0x, no but I don't want half of /usr disappearing when programs run from there Jun 22 20:51:14 i'd like to chat about it but i have to vanish Jun 22 20:51:15 ohh, you answered that Jun 22 20:51:21 DocScrutinizer: i mean you don't use the app when you have it in storage mode Jun 22 20:51:25 a least idont Jun 22 20:51:43 lcuk, well I've had my N900 repartitioned for about 5 months now with /home as 21GB and optified just a little bit more than nokia did with PR1.2 - worked perfectly Jun 22 20:51:47 anyway, me waves (diner) Jun 22 20:51:55 bye Jun 22 20:52:02 lcuk, ok cya :) Jun 22 20:52:10 Lantizia: ok Jun 22 20:52:18 yeah, we were quite conservative with the optify to be careful. will catch you again Jun 22 20:52:22 \o Jun 22 20:52:24 Lantizia: in the end that is the cool thing of n900 Jun 22 20:52:31 the freedom of do whatever you want Jun 22 20:52:41 already been doing that since december :) Jun 22 20:52:47 :D Jun 22 20:53:04 just re-installing for PR1.2 now and deciding what I want this time around for partition sizes Jun 22 20:53:04 I compromised - and resized mydocs to 4G, and made a ext2 partition in the remaining space Jun 22 20:53:06 worked well Jun 22 20:53:35 SpeedEvil, you made an additional partition between MyDocs and /home ? Jun 22 20:53:55 yes Jun 22 20:54:02 mounted in /home/user/data Jun 22 20:54:04 surely /home failed to mount as it's lost it's number Jun 22 20:54:11 Lantizia, please start a discussion on the -dev mailing list :) Jun 22 20:54:20 lcuk, why? Jun 22 20:54:38 Lantizia: There is a spare partition entry. That's where I put the data partition - nothing else needs to move Jun 22 20:55:08 SpeedEvil, oh cool... so is it like MyDocs is 1... /home is 3 and swap is 4 ? Jun 22 20:55:58 Lantizia, because i know 2gb will become full for people at some point and i'd like to have someone with experience quoting alternative sizes Jun 22 20:56:13 SpeedEvil, ah I know what you mean... MyDocs is 1, home is 2, swap is 3 but you've made it between 1 and 3 but numbered it 4 right? Jun 22 20:56:39 * lcuk runs tho Jun 22 20:56:40 sorry 1 and 2 Jun 22 20:57:00 Lantizia: soDisk /dev/mmcblk0: 977024 cylinders, 4 heads, 16 sectors/track Jun 22 20:57:00 Units = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Jun 22 20:57:00 Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System Jun 22 20:57:00 /dev/mmcblk0p1 0+ 122069 122070- 3906232 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) Jun 22 20:57:00 /dev/mmcblk0p2 884865 950400 65536 2097152 83 Linux Jun 22 20:57:01 /dev/mmcblk0p3 950401 974976 24576 786432 82 Linux swap / Solaris Jun 22 20:57:01 /dev/mmcblk0p4 122070 884864 762795 24409440 83 Linux Jun 22 20:57:03 argh Jun 22 20:57:09 that was meant to go into pastebin Jun 22 20:57:12 yeah thats what I thought :D Jun 22 20:57:16 I already said it hehe Jun 22 20:57:38 why a data partition then? Jun 22 21:05:25 You know what... I think my trick for repartitioning now doesn't work on PR1.2 since more stuff has been optified :S Jun 22 21:05:40 It's a lovely reboot cycle! yay! Jun 22 21:05:45 Will bbl, need food Jun 22 21:09:55 linux action show reviewed the n900 this week Jun 22 21:10:02 they really like it Jun 22 21:11:26 trip0: yes i see it Jun 22 21:11:33 trip0, what's linux action show? Also, cool :D Jun 22 21:11:39 but they need inform more about it before Jun 22 21:11:45 because they confuse the microsd slot Jun 22 21:11:49 with microsim slot Jun 22 21:12:00 mece, it's a podcast Jun 22 21:12:02 http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/ Jun 22 21:12:17 E0x, yeah, i noticed that :P Jun 22 21:12:22 pretty funny Jun 22 21:15:18 trip0: that make me stop watch the show Jun 22 21:15:58 meh, if i didn't already know it was a microsd slot, i could have confused it for a microsim Jun 22 21:20:52 DocScrutinizer, ping Jun 22 21:21:02 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 22 21:21:02 trip0, you expect a phone to both have a sim and a microsim :D Jun 22 21:21:23 Lantizia, no. but the hosts of the show did Jun 22 21:21:31 hmm? Jun 22 21:22:22 they thought it was cool there there was both for when you are traveling to places that only use microsim Jun 22 21:22:26 trip0: that show that they dont do the proper research of the phone to make a "review" Jun 22 21:23:18 i can't think of a review that has gotten everything perfect Jun 22 21:23:23 some do better than others though Jun 22 21:23:35 * Arkenoi thinks microsim idea is stupid Jun 22 21:23:52 my wrist watch has full sized sim Jun 22 21:23:58 and there is plenty of space for it Jun 22 21:24:11 it could even have full sd instead of micro i think Jun 22 21:24:24 E0x, I can appreciate the review from a "user's perspective" rather than the run of the mill "journalist perspective" Jun 22 21:24:37 Arkenoi: wrist watch with full sized sim? Jun 22 21:24:47 jacekowski, cect w600 Jun 22 21:25:08 Arkenoi: you mean ISO 7816 sized card? Jun 22 21:25:26 http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/w600_ex1.jpg Jun 22 21:25:30 nope ;-) Jun 22 21:25:37 just "usual" sim Jun 22 21:25:46 iso 7816 would be too big ;-) Jun 22 21:26:00 so it is not "full sized" actually Jun 22 21:26:08 you just said full sized Jun 22 21:26:14 it was a long time since i had a phone with "full sized" sim ;-) Jun 22 21:26:31 it's caled mini sim Jun 22 21:26:34 that small one Jun 22 21:26:39 yep Jun 22 21:27:08 how long does battery last in that watch Jun 22 21:27:56 jacekowski, 3-4 days Jun 22 21:28:02 wow Jun 22 21:28:05 better than n900 Jun 22 21:28:11 hmm, maybe not wow Jun 22 21:28:16 that's not too hard really Jun 22 21:28:20 sure Jun 22 21:28:22 well, everything lasts longer than n900 Jun 22 21:28:30 if you do not have active data connection all the time ;-) Jun 22 21:28:48 if you do, there are just a few phones that last longer Jun 22 21:29:50 and there are no androids among those Jun 22 21:30:24 a few chinese wm models that have battery twice the size of the phone Jun 22 21:30:38 and some lucky symbians from nokia Jun 22 21:31:07 so n900 is rather good in it Jun 22 21:31:35 well, it's one day of sitting in my pocket Jun 22 21:31:46 with no data connection Jun 22 21:31:54 ( because there is no gsm signal in my pocket ) Jun 22 21:32:03 jacekowski, then something is wrong with it Jun 22 21:32:22 do you have your pocked shielded with aluminium foil? Jun 22 21:32:31 no Jun 22 21:32:47 there is shitloads of steel around me Jun 22 21:32:59 and place where i work is in middle of nowhere anyways Jun 22 21:33:07 so if you add this two things Jun 22 21:36:26 LOL Jun 22 21:36:43 GAN900: on N900 or on desktop? Jun 22 21:38:05 luke-jr: i have to give my work phone number to everybody if they want to call me during a day Jun 22 21:38:14 luke-jr: otherwise it's not going to happen Jun 22 21:38:35 jacekowski: my N900 doesn't support cellular service :P Jun 22 21:39:30 luke-jr: so how does it make phone calls? Jun 22 21:39:46 jacekowski: who said it does?\ Jun 22 21:40:04 i made at least couple calls with it Jun 22 21:40:09 jacekowski: maybe yours does :P Jun 22 21:40:35 N900 only supports GSM/3G though Jun 22 21:40:39 which doesn't exist in Omaha Jun 22 21:41:49 SpeedEvil, hey I used to repartition using sfdisk directly after a fresh firmware+emmc reflash and reboot... then when it comes back I use mkfs and re-fill the new partitions Jun 22 21:42:06 SpeedEvil, it appears that PR1.2 isn't so forgiving! how have you done your repartitioning? Jun 22 21:42:23 is Nokia's XMPP/Jingle implementation open source? Jun 22 21:42:31 i.e. after using sfdisk and reboot - it just reboots all the time Jun 22 21:43:10 Lantizia: See the above paste Jun 22 21:45:24 SpeedEvil, I don't see a paste Jun 22 21:47:04 I can haz ssh access to i5 cause I rm -rf'd /dev/* pweese? Jun 22 21:47:44 at about 1:50 ago Jun 22 21:48:01 SpeedEvil, you mean your partition layout? how does that help Jun 22 21:48:49 It explains how I've done my repartitioning Jun 22 21:49:04 SpeedEvil, it just shows what your partitions look like, not how you did it Jun 22 21:49:18 tar up all from mydocs onto /home Jun 22 21:49:56 Resize partition Jun 22 21:50:02 using fdisk Jun 22 21:50:17 mkvfat it Jun 22 21:50:22 untar, reboot Jun 22 21:50:22 wait wait Jun 22 21:50:31 first of all theres no fdisk only sdisk Jun 22 21:50:51 and neither of them can resize partitions... just write new partition tables Jun 22 21:50:52 apt-get install cfdisk Jun 22 21:50:54 I think I used Jun 22 21:50:55 sure Jun 22 21:50:59 you delete and recreate Jun 22 21:51:02 it's not really hard Jun 22 21:51:05 well I can do that with sfdisk which is built in Jun 22 21:51:17 but in order to use the new partitions you must reboot first Jun 22 21:51:57 mind you - you don't touch /home do you? Jun 22 21:52:01 no Jun 22 21:52:06 Or swap Jun 22 21:52:06 thats what it probbaly is Jun 22 21:52:18 just add a new partition in partition 4, and resize mydocs Jun 22 21:52:22 I make home bigger by making mydocs smaller Jun 22 21:52:31 I don't need or want a 4th partition Jun 22 21:52:36 I think I mounted it as mass storage, so the phone UI wouldn't be confused Jun 22 21:52:39 fair enough Jun 22 21:53:24 mind you it's odd how you can mkvfat p4 when the system didn't have p4 that looks like that when it booted up Jun 22 21:53:45 normally it'd need a reboot to read the new partition layout - even for a partition that didn't exist before Jun 22 21:54:54 I'm gonna try doing this without rebooting Jun 22 21:55:01 AAAAHHAHAAAA Jun 22 21:55:03 watch me fail Jun 22 21:55:32 This is based on memory of events 6 months ago Jun 22 21:55:40 So, I may be wrong. Jun 22 21:55:50 I don't think I rebooted though Jun 22 21:56:21 where could i get halp with nokia f-bus? Jun 22 21:57:39 Dunno. Jun 22 21:57:49 I don't think there is one on the n900 Jun 22 21:58:34 Or rather - if there is - nobody has released details Jun 22 21:59:06 SpeedEvil, what details? Jun 22 22:01:11 of f/m-bus Jun 22 22:03:51 i have nokia 2650 and I'm stuck with syncing f-bus Jun 22 22:03:58 with my microcontroller Jun 22 22:04:21 Weird .. Jun 22 22:04:39 I've just opened a web browser, full screen and there are no controls ... Jun 22 22:04:56 Just using dbus to call microb with 'load_url' :/ Jun 22 22:05:27 silbo_____: ##electronics? Jun 22 22:06:05 yea i have this #gnokii channel but theres no one aswering Jun 22 22:06:27 don't know that channel Jun 22 22:07:46 gnokii is a opensource software for communication over the f-bus Jun 22 22:07:56 sending sms and calendar events Jun 22 22:08:37 nope Jun 22 22:08:46 gnokii isn't for fbus Jun 22 22:09:09 you sure? Jun 22 22:09:12 yes Jun 22 22:09:22 it's talking over fbus only to couple phones Jun 22 22:10:21 ok, but jacekowiski you know something about the f-bus syncing? Jun 22 22:10:50 im trying to sync f-bus with my microcontroller with no success Jun 22 22:11:12 how? Jun 22 22:11:17 are you bitbanging it? Jun 22 22:11:49 http://www.embedtronics.com/nokia/fbus.html i read this Jun 22 22:11:56 yeah, Jun 22 22:12:04 im sending 128 times the 'U' in hex Jun 22 22:12:05 but how are you connecting phone to your uC Jun 22 22:12:51 i have a Atmega644P, im connecting the fbus serial directly to the microcontroller serial Jun 22 22:13:18 do i have to use rs232? Jun 22 22:13:53 hmm, i'm just wondering if you phone f-bus interface is protected against over voltage Jun 22 22:14:00 if it isn't it's probably dead Jun 22 22:14:40 yea, i didn't find eny spec about the serials voltage range Jun 22 22:14:50 any* Jun 22 22:14:56 It will be whatever the phone micro is running at Jun 22 22:15:18 silbo_____: it's probably 3.3V or less Jun 22 22:15:32 ok, i know my Atmega gives out 5V max Jun 22 22:15:42 5V could easily be enough to kill it Jun 22 22:15:42 enough to kill that interface Jun 22 22:15:45 at least for digital outs Jun 22 22:15:48 so get another phone Jun 22 22:15:58 your f-bus interface is dead Jun 22 22:15:59 lol xD Jun 22 22:16:38 what's funny about it? Jun 22 22:16:40 ok, but how can i do some level shifting then? Jun 22 22:17:05 SpeedEvil, whenever I write a new table it tells me it can't re-read the table "BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy" Jun 22 22:17:09 well, it's too late now Jun 22 22:17:10 i got the phone for 1 dollar xD Jun 22 22:17:18 SpeedEvil, I've turned swap off and MyDocs is unmounted... so that just means /home Jun 22 22:17:24 silbo_____: i would buy 20 of them Jun 22 22:17:41 silbo_____: NEVER CONNECT ANYTHING BEFORE MAKING SURE YOUR VOLTAGES ARE OK Jun 22 22:17:54 i did that once Jun 22 22:18:00 and ended up with fire Jun 22 22:18:10 and burned PLC I/O card Jun 22 22:18:16 worth like £250 Jun 22 22:18:34 ouch Jun 22 22:21:15 http://www.panuworld.net/nuukiaworld/hardware/cables/dual232.gif will this help me convert the voltage? Jun 22 22:24:31 silbo_____: won't help you one bit, because that's a gif image Jun 22 22:25:16 lol, I have a rs232, I havent looked trough the schematics, but i think it's the same Jun 22 22:25:16 lol Jun 22 22:25:33 good one crashanddie. Jun 22 22:25:37 bollocks as soon as you killall -9 hildon-home it reboots! NOOO Jun 22 22:29:06 hum hum, so I bought today an lcd screen and I used the light sensor to test multiple panels and choose the one with least blacklight bleeding. n900 ftw! Jun 22 22:30:22 Is there something that detects a crash and reboots? Jun 22 22:31:03 silbo_____: there are a couple of nice levelshifters at MAXIM. Also for sending from high level to LV-RX a 200R plus Zener usually serves the purpose. The other direction (LV-TX->high level RX) usually is less critical, as for example 'normal' RS232 is defined as +/-12V out, but input nondefined window is only 0..3.3V Jun 22 22:31:04 Lantizia: on n900? Jun 22 22:31:29 DocScrutinizer: he just needs to interface 3.3V with 5V Jun 22 22:31:38 DocScrutinizer: couple resistors will do the job Jun 22 22:31:46 silbo_____: so if your input is sensitive enough and has no pullup or ehatever... Jun 22 22:32:08 DocScrutinizer: avr to 3.3V fbus Jun 22 22:32:08 jacekowski: residtor plus clamp diaode or Zener Jun 22 22:32:28 Lantizia: ??? Jun 22 22:33:39 DocScrutinizer: maxim is never a good choice Jun 22 22:33:58 uhuh... why? Jun 22 22:34:03 maxim is always a good choice Jun 22 22:34:50 DocScrutinizer: I've always had problems getting parts out of them, more than samples anyways, which they seem to have bucket loads of, so maybe they're good as long as you just want samples Jun 22 22:36:03 I'd suggest to buy parts a digikey or whatever Jun 22 22:36:39 if you want cut tape Jun 22 22:36:55 BS, the MAXIM page just raped my CPU Jun 22 22:37:13 ok, maxim is the hoofed one Jun 22 22:37:20 are we talking about maxim or maxim-ic Jun 22 22:37:26 i'm lost nw Jun 22 22:37:27 maxim-ic Jun 22 22:37:29 now* Jun 22 22:37:30 :-P Jun 22 22:37:35 well, let's talk about maxim Jun 22 22:37:46 is maxim the mag still around? Jun 22 22:37:53 maxim.com was boring XP Jun 22 22:38:00 hot chick on front page Jun 22 22:38:11 lot of them Jun 22 22:38:43 HELL!!! had to kill konqueror Jun 22 22:39:18 silbo_____: so please fnd out about max232 and friends for yourself Jun 22 22:39:59 ok thx for the halp guys, I that voltage confirmation was the thing that i needed Jun 22 22:40:46 ok good night, ill go to bed Jun 22 22:41:16 silbo_____: as a general rule it's usually a good idea to get a commercial "data cable" for the particular Nokia Jun 22 22:42:09 you get a decent plug, plus levelshifter, plus sometimes USB<->tty converter Jun 22 22:42:37 easy to revamp Jun 22 22:46:37 should I be able to insert a QIcon in a layout object? Jun 22 22:47:51 lardman|home: a QIcon is a file thingy not a QWidget no? memory is failing me Jun 22 22:47:58 I dunno Jun 22 22:48:16 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/ -- they are amazing docs Jun 22 22:48:51 I don't see there what the parent classes are though Jun 22 22:49:05 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qicon.html -- look at the Detailed Description Jun 22 22:51:09 (it doesn't state is in huge bold letters, but it doesn't inherit anything, it is the base class) Jun 22 22:51:27 ah ok Jun 22 22:51:35 thanks Jun 22 22:51:45 will try a pixmap instead as I think that can be a paint device Jun 22 22:51:49 which sounds about right Jun 22 22:53:23 QLabel label; label.setPixmap(pixmap) to show a pixmap in a layout Jun 22 22:53:42 or can I show a QImage directly? Jun 22 22:54:33 qimages are automatically converted to qpixmaps when they are shown on screen, so if you plan to display it better have it as a qpixmap Jun 22 22:54:39 ok Jun 22 22:54:57 can I do the declaration and setPixmap in one command (to pass to a fn)? Jun 22 22:55:24 i suppose you can do setPixmap(new QPixmap("foo.png")) Jun 22 22:55:39 other way round though Jun 22 22:55:52 (new QLabel).setPixmap(pm) Jun 22 22:56:00 or similar Jun 22 22:56:16 well, you need to add that qlabel to the layout anyway, so you need to have it declared separately Jun 22 22:56:45 that's what I'm doing, trying to stick it all in the addWidget() call Jun 22 22:56:56 ah yes Jun 22 22:56:57 isn't this the exact code snibbits from the already linked to docs? Jun 22 22:57:43 you probably can't do it in one expression Jun 22 22:58:28 cyndis: ok, was just wondering Jun 22 22:58:38 asj: didn't/can't see it Jun 22 22:59:49 lardman|home: go to bed Jun 22 22:59:56 yeah soon Jun 22 23:01:44 crashanddie, you're not his dad Jun 22 23:03:19 he is right though, getting late! :) Jun 22 23:03:56 doesn't happen often, so we should allow him his victory ;) Jun 22 23:04:03 XD Jun 22 23:05:18 yay, has worked, thanks chaps Jun 22 23:07:18 I don't get it... prior to PR1.2 you could change the partition table... reboot and it'd come back ready for you the mkfs... on PR1.2 you reboot and it reboot loops Jun 22 23:07:50 crashanddie, pong? Jun 22 23:09:13 Lantizia: to free up space on / they moved bits to the eMMC I believe...maybe it's missing something? Jun 22 23:11:10 asj, yeah I realise Jun 22 23:11:34 If you mess up the emmc in 1.2 you lose files you need to boot, I believe.. Jun 22 23:12:01 ShadowJK, which files? Jun 22 23:13:06 ok, here's another one for you QT gurus, how do I extract a QPixmap from a QVariantHash? Jun 22 23:13:20 GAN900: pingpong? Jun 22 23:13:41 ShadowJK, my only other option is to kill the 4 or 5 processes locking files in /home and remake /home without rebooting - but if I kill hildon-home then it reboots, know a way of stopping it rebooting when it detects a crash? Jun 22 23:13:57 something like: itemData.value("barcodeImage").value() Jun 22 23:14:09 ? Jun 22 23:15:43 So what I did last time I was messing with stuff like that, was to put my commands in /etc, somewhere early during boot.. and enclosed them all in a if [ ! -e /dontdoit ] { stuff.... ; touch /dontdoit }, and then I also had a bootmenu script, so that if I booted with keypad open, the scripts I modified were replaced from backups Jun 22 23:16:32 ShadowJK: if Nokia wasn't completely out of their mind, they had a look at arbitrary Unix admin HowTo and kept the executables and config data needed for boot in /bin and /sbin and /etc and /lib, and take /usr for just what it's been meant to be: Unix System Resources NOT NEEDED FOR BOOT Jun 22 23:16:55 well it was certainly like that before :S Jun 22 23:17:14 It's the corporation side of things that make the N900 reboot if it thinks it can't show a pretty GUI to the user :- Jun 22 23:17:17 to be honest I don't buy this reason - theres nothing critical that has been optified Jun 22 23:17:17 :-) Jun 22 23:18:01 iirc I accidentally found the bits of script once that made a new /home on the NAND if /home was broken... maybe that bit has changed :P Jun 22 23:19:04 ShadowJK, yeah when I've made new partitions and reboots it used to make a home directory on / Jun 22 23:19:22 yeah nand is / Jun 22 23:19:31 ShadowJK, I'd then just mount the partition on top of it and copy the old home in to it Jun 22 23:20:01 Lantizia: reboot on kill process is usually because the process was started by err DME, DSME ?? sth like that Jun 22 23:20:11 Maybe it's time to go back to basics Jun 22 23:20:21 I discovered it by accident when I ran fsck on /home out of a script during early boot so that /home wasn't mounted. fsck on flash-based media turned out to be a catastrophy though :D Jun 22 23:20:23 And modify the eMMC image Jun 22 23:20:36 Therefore no repartitioning is needed Jun 22 23:22:36 Lantizia: dsmetool --help Jun 22 23:22:56 yawn Jun 22 23:23:06 -r --start-reset= Start a process Jun 22 23:23:08 (on process exit, do SW reset) Jun 22 23:24:01 DocScrutinizer, what exactly is that? Jun 22 23:24:13 Lantizia: find the location where hildon-desktop is started (presumably by dsmetool -r /foo/bar/hildon-desktop) and edit it Jun 22 23:24:29 ah then reboot? Jun 22 23:24:53 then reboot - then safely 'killall hildon-desktop' Jun 22 23:25:10 hmm... don't suppose you know which file contains the dsmetool commands? Jun 22 23:25:25 grep is your friend. Jun 22 23:25:27 :) Jun 22 23:25:30 try /etc/* Jun 22 23:25:37 also look at things that assign dsmetool to a variable name Jun 22 23:25:41 so if this works I don't have to reboot after writing the new partition table Jun 22 23:25:54 if swap is off, mydocs and home is unmounted - it'll re-read ok Jun 22 23:25:58 * lardman|home leaves his variant hashes until the morrow Jun 22 23:26:06 I think one of the RD mode flags disable dsmetool reboot on process-death Jun 22 23:26:09 night chaps, thanks for the various bits of help Jun 22 23:26:18 * ShadowJK managed to accidentally enable that on Maemo4 when trying to kill the watchdog.. Jun 22 23:26:40 or alternatively what are the odd's on an altered eMMC ? Jun 22 23:26:42 MAYBE Jun 22 23:27:08 I still don't get why PR1.2 has made this more difficult :S Jun 22 23:27:08 What's 'talk beta tester'? Jun 22 23:27:17 Lantizia: speedevil and ruskie did that. Talk to them Jun 22 23:27:28 DocScrutinizer, they altered the eMMC? Jun 22 23:27:33 sure Jun 22 23:27:50 a lot of people did so far, aiui Jun 22 23:27:57 Spoke with SpeedEvil earlier, all he did as far as I know is add a 4th partition directly on the N900 Jun 22 23:28:10 ruskie, are you about to confirm ? :P Jun 22 23:28:23 ok Jun 22 23:28:25 Lantizia: well arguably, 1.2 makes it a more robust phone for non-developers. More root space is important and when a transient bad thing happens it reboots and 'clears' the problem. All of which are good things for end users. Jun 22 23:28:57 asj, sure but theres nothing about the optifications that would prevent it booting any more than 1.1.1 Jun 22 23:29:15 Lantizia: aren't all the themes optified? Jun 22 23:29:23 nah Jun 22 23:29:31 oh actually yeah Jun 22 23:29:53 crap! Jun 22 23:30:22 you could make the argument (and ok I would too) it should have a basic theme it can boot in case of "themeing failure" but...there's only so many resources Jun 22 23:30:54 Are the fonts also optified? ;) Jun 22 23:30:59 so I'm faced with a custom eMMC which might be handy to put the maps back in anyway... or a long list of tricky process killing Jun 22 23:31:03 ShadowJK, yes Jun 22 23:31:44 Lantizia: grep -r 'dsmetool.*hildon-desktop' /etc Jun 22 23:31:54 however they could have optified "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" in /usr/share Jun 22 23:31:59 save another 30 to 40mb there Jun 22 23:32:12 /etc/X11/Xsession.post/20hildon-desktop:/usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t /usr/bin/hildon-desktop Jun 22 23:32:18 well maps for sure ;p Jun 22 23:32:28 does anybody know how to change the color of my own text in xchat. Right now it's this lame grey. Jun 22 23:32:34 DocScrutinizer, I don't like the sound of that - it's gone past the point of an elegant solution Jun 22 23:32:56 I'd rather look at the eMMC image file for a bit Jun 22 23:33:09 it's in settings Jun 22 23:33:20 what is? Jun 22 23:33:27 xchat colours Jun 22 23:33:33 aah you're editing the image file. Now if that pans out it's a really great solution Jun 22 23:33:43 DocScrutinizer, _if_ it pans out :) Jun 22 23:33:53 but now own text ShadowJK Jun 22 23:34:05 That's the annoying part, there are so many colours to change Jun 22 23:34:08 DocScrutinizer, I remember being able to mount any partition inside the image file previously - but now I don't seem to be able to with this new eMMC Jun 22 23:34:46 DocScrutinizer, don't suppose you can paste the default eMMC partition layout for me if you've got it? Jun 22 23:34:51 :-S (plain void here, no idea) Jun 22 23:35:46 I could paste you the cfdisk or similar output of a default eMMC Jun 22 23:36:02 but I don't think that's of much use anyway Jun 22 23:36:03 DocScrutinizer, please... sfdisk is already on your device and will show it Jun 22 23:36:20 DocScrutinizer, it may help me roughly guess the positions in the eMMC image file Jun 22 23:36:27 k, what cmd do you suggest? not familiar with sfdisk Jun 22 23:36:28 test Jun 22 23:36:39 DocScrutinizer, sfdisk -f /dev/mmcblk0 Jun 22 23:37:01 hmm, lemme check and then decide if I enter the cmd or kill YOU :-P Jun 22 23:37:15 :) Jun 22 23:38:43 ooh I remember the image file is gzipped or something Jun 22 23:39:13 well it's not 32gigs, is it? :) Jun 22 23:39:23 test Jun 22 23:39:24 no :) but I used to know how to do this Jun 22 23:41:57 :) the eMMC file now has a descriptor at the top! Jun 22 23:42:00 it's changed! Jun 22 23:42:35 explicitly stating how big each partition is Jun 22 23:42:50 hi guys, do you know how to make osso-xterm show black bg with white fg? Jun 22 23:43:20 i cant stand the opposite :| Jun 22 23:43:37 Using the settings... Jun 22 23:44:45 Stskeeps, Hey! are you umm about? I just discovered... head -n 17 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 22 23:44:55 erhmm :| really ? ... oh yes, thats it.... Jun 22 23:45:08 i.e. what looks like instructions for partitioning - should I be able to just tweak 2048 for home to 8192 and have 8GB /home instead? Jun 22 23:45:30 i once played with those two colours, but nothing changed, so I thought that was not working. Thanks hehe Jun 22 23:45:49 maybe a little late for Stskeeps Jun 22 23:45:52 I'll try it anyway :) but if it won't work you'll save me time Jun 22 23:45:56 what a difference now :D Jun 22 23:46:40 Lantizia: for sure you need to equally reduce size of another partition Jun 22 23:46:56 DocScrutinizer, mydocs doesn't get specified at all Jun 22 23:47:04 :-o Jun 22 23:47:21 DocScrutinizer, but then vfat doesn't have a start and an end like ext2/3... I recon it formats the whole thing as vfat then makes those two at the end Jun 22 23:47:37 possible Jun 22 23:47:42 once done it then mounts the vfat and fill the files in Jun 22 23:47:53 just try, you can't really break anything I'd guess Jun 22 23:47:53 I mean you can see it is listed - but no size is Jun 22 23:48:04 yeah it'll be fun lol Jun 22 23:49:50 the asumption of missing size = nnnn; meaning it takes the whole rest sounds reasonable to me Jun 22 23:50:17 just rape it with a hexeditor, and then flash it :-D Jun 22 23:50:37 pa ping... Jun 22 23:50:38 sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 22 23:50:53 FLASHER TIME Jun 22 23:50:56 don't forget you need to flash a new fresh rootfs after flashing eMMC Jun 22 23:50:56 I mean... HAMMER TIME Jun 22 23:51:01 yeah yeah I know Jun 22 23:51:16 this must be my 1000th flash since I got the thing last year Jun 22 23:51:30 I think I'm on #1 Jun 22 23:51:30 Lantizia: the sed cmd looks dangerous, you dunno how many times it will strike Jun 22 23:52:24 I had to reflash once, as foreca widget caused bootloop when I tried to drag it to another screen Jun 22 23:52:32 so #2 here Jun 22 23:52:46 or REflash #1 Jun 22 23:53:03 hmm battery is dead lol Jun 22 23:53:09 haha Jun 22 23:53:17 * DocScrutinizer burrps Jun 22 23:53:35 DocScrutinizer, the sed thing is fine - it's unlikely theres another ... but will make it do it only for first instance as it takes it a while to scan the rest of the file anyway Jun 22 23:54:00 mine was flat yesterday, as I forgot about it while charging the new one :-P So I at least had a spare Jun 22 23:54:37 ah it wasn't dead :S Jun 22 23:55:23 emmc written Jun 22 23:55:29 the revenge of my good old N900, getting envy about the shiny new one Jun 22 23:55:53 why have a 2nd? Jun 22 23:56:01 devel Jun 22 23:56:26 mess around with hostmode, bme, etc. And still have a PHONE Jun 22 23:56:34 can you check something for me? pop off your back cover and look at the back of the back cover with the latch on the left hand side Jun 22 23:56:52 np, and?... Jun 22 23:57:01 theres a little backward L shaped metal thing with 2 dots can you see it? Jun 22 23:57:10 mompls Jun 22 23:57:12 at the top right of the apachure Jun 22 23:57:41 yes Jun 22 23:58:04 does it look secure / well built? Jun 22 23:58:14 because my little backwards L fell off - had to superglue it on Jun 22 23:58:24 hard to tell, I'll get a loupe Jun 22 23:58:31 whats a loupe? Jun 22 23:58:39 magn glass Jun 22 23:58:43 ah Jun 22 23:59:36 hmm, I see. The 2 'dots' are plastic 'rivets'. Very crappy Jun 22 23:59:54 may work, may fall off Jun 22 23:59:59 well if the rivets are meant to pop out through the metal holes then mine no longer do :S Jun 23 00:00:24 I think since the backcover bends slightly every time you take it off/on - it's gotten loose Jun 23 00:00:32 The correct solution is probably to return to nokia for repair. Jun 23 00:00:34 However Jun 23 00:00:36 they are meant to pop out and then heated and pressed flat like classical rivets Jun 23 00:00:55 If there is enough 'body' in the rivets left, you may be able to smear out the head of them with a warm object Jun 23 00:01:09 SpeedEvil, yeah I thought about a quick touch of a hot soldering iron Jun 23 00:01:15 that's what's done in fab as well Jun 23 00:01:27 basically Jun 23 00:01:34 I think it's just the kick-stand spring Jun 23 00:01:47 yes Jun 23 00:02:28 do you use the spring a lot? Jun 23 00:02:41 the trick is you need to firmly press it down to tension the sring, when fixing it by whatever means Jun 23 00:02:57 sPring Jun 23 00:03:33 if you do the soldering iron, then keep pressure for *at least* 60s Jun 23 00:03:45 preferrably apply icing spray Jun 23 00:04:01 that is pressure on the spring - not holding the soldering iron on for 60s :) Jun 23 00:04:09 yes Jun 23 00:04:12 :-D Jun 23 00:04:40 SpeedEvil: thanks Jun 23 00:05:00 I assume nobodies worked out how to get signal strengths for non-logged-in networks? Jun 23 00:05:26 list of neighbour cell should have signal Jun 23 00:05:48 but I dunno if we got any neigbour cell list Jun 23 00:05:50 getting list of neighbour cells would be nice too Jun 23 00:05:51 at+cops=? is the closest i've got with pnatd Jun 23 00:06:02 +COPS: (1,"T-Mobile",,"23430",2), Jun 23 00:06:02 (3,"3 UK",,"23420",2),,(0,1,3),(0,2) Jun 23 00:06:05 which says that for me Jun 23 00:06:24 Though I don't know the format Jun 23 00:06:25 oooooh FSCK pnatd again Jun 23 00:06:40 would somebody please patch pnatd to accept ^C Jun 23 00:06:52 hmm I don't think this has gone too well Jun 23 00:06:56 I have a bright blue screen Jun 23 00:06:58 But that would mean that it can't be used for ppp! :) Jun 23 00:07:09 Lantizia: DocScrutinizer sort of had that once. It diddn't go well. Jun 23 00:07:28 SpeedEvil: not exactly Jun 23 00:07:30 time to try again :) Jun 23 00:07:39 I had a completely black screen Jun 23 00:07:44 Blue on the TV out Jun 23 00:07:48 yep Jun 23 00:07:54 SpeedEvil: ppp can escape characters, it's there in a map list. I can't remember it's name Jun 23 00:08:04 maybe it was just a bad flash, or maybe it doesn't like my modified eMMC file Jun 23 00:08:22 asj: yeah - I know. Jun 23 00:08:35 I just need to work out how to tether using it and ssh Jun 23 00:08:45 (of course that's solving the wrong problem) Jun 23 00:08:58 yes, of course. Jun 23 00:09:10 The right problem is for icd2 to let 2 connections be up. Jun 23 00:09:24 Maybe frals will solve that in passing, if he now has influence. Jun 23 00:09:31 (as he also needs 2 connections up) Jun 23 00:11:14 Night everyone Jun 23 00:11:30 night Jun 23 00:11:54 SpeedEvil: enfora_enabler_EM__2008118161929.pdf - know that one? Jun 23 00:12:12 nigght MohammadAG51 Jun 23 00:13:34 DocScrutinizer, omg it worked Jun 23 00:13:44 hahaha Jun 23 00:13:50 8gb /home! Jun 23 00:13:56 great! Jun 23 00:14:01 you know I swear the old eMMC file wasn't like this Jun 23 00:14:11 it was more like a DD image with a DOS table Jun 23 00:14:15 DocScrutinizer: I don't off-hand - I sort of remember the title Jun 23 00:14:51 Engineering Mode Parameters -- %EM: Jun 23 00:15:05 The commands are as follows: Jun 23 00:15:06 ah Jun 23 00:15:06 • Jun 23 00:15:08 • Jun 23 00:15:08 yeah Jun 23 00:15:09 • Jun 23 00:15:11 it ignored those Jun 23 00:15:11 AT%EM=2,1 Jun 23 00:15:12 AT%EM=2,2 Jun 23 00:15:14 AT%EM=2,3 Jun 23 00:15:15 Serving Cell Information Jun 23 00:15:17 Serving Cell GPRS Information Jun 23 00:15:18 Neighbour Cell Information Jun 23 00:15:20 oops sorry for the bullits Jun 23 00:15:20 you know this just got a _WHOLE FUCK LOAD EASIER_ Jun 23 00:15:28 why did I just spend hours on this! Jun 23 00:15:45 AT%EM=2,1 Jun 23 00:15:45 ERROR Jun 23 00:15:50 I know Jun 23 00:15:53 :-( Jun 23 00:15:53 as with all of the at% commands I tried Jun 23 00:16:12 fsck pnatd, this retarded piece of.... Jun 23 00:16:37 I have pondered trying at[ -~][ -~][ -~] - but I haven't gotten that bored yet Jun 23 00:16:59 wasn't kontorri at some time asking some other guy to check the options for service monitor mode Jun 23 00:17:00 ? Jun 23 00:17:33 dunno Jun 23 00:18:00 anymore :-) Jun 23 00:18:12 was in this chan, but months ago Jun 23 00:18:47 I seen to be sure there was no follow-up on it Jun 23 00:25:00 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-05-13.log.html#t2010-05-13T20:00:53 Jun 23 00:25:28 rodarvus: anything new wrt monitor mode? Jun 23 00:26:06 sup guys Jun 23 00:27:00 boredom like always :-P Jun 23 00:27:15 hey got my contacts/sms back :) Jun 23 00:27:16 yea maemo.org looks dead Jun 23 00:27:19 *yay Jun 23 00:27:38 i saw a pre-alpha of meego comin out Jun 23 00:27:41 end of this month Jun 23 00:27:46 http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/handset-version-meego-set-june-30-release/2010-06-21?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss Jun 23 00:28:13 SpeedEvil: if you are interested in signal strength, neighbou cell list etc pp, please help in asking rodarvus and konttori about service monitor Jun 23 00:29:28 SpeedEvil: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-05-11.log.html#t2010-05-11T19:30:13 Jun 23 00:35:06 Yay I can still name my device :) Jun 23 00:35:07 mlabel -i /dev/mmcblk0p1 ::Pan Jun 23 00:36:32 I gather pnatd is closed? Jun 23 00:37:16 or rather undocumented so no way to augment it to learn full set of 3GPP AT cmdset at least? Jun 23 00:37:56 Flash 10.1 out for Android Jun 23 00:38:05 Nokia is full of idiots. Jun 23 00:39:56 I hit my first 'flash 10 only' on youtube the other day Jun 23 00:46:24 If you could wish away one technology product what would be? Jun 23 00:46:43 Umm... Jun 23 00:46:48 flash? Jun 23 00:46:53 windows? Jun 23 00:47:03 Windows Jun 23 00:47:09 Public video surveillance cameras. Jun 23 00:47:15 html Jun 23 00:47:17 Flash is fairly harmless all things considered Jun 23 00:47:24 Html sucks. Jun 23 00:47:24 I dunno Jun 23 00:47:32 I would rather some sites not work Jun 23 00:47:34 then use flash Jun 23 00:47:35 Windows has probably set us back 10 years techwise Jun 23 00:47:36 It could have been so much better from the beginning Jun 23 00:47:39 even if there will be flash 10.1, we won't get it until next firmware release which is months away Jun 23 00:48:20 or even worse a feature freeze was already done for now and that means we are TWO releases away from flash upgrade Jun 23 00:48:25 flash hinders linux directly everyday Jun 23 00:48:35 windows I don't think does Jun 23 00:48:55 I can use linux only and not even care 2 cents about ms Jun 23 00:49:02 but flash... Jun 23 00:49:26 I ahve to use flash Jun 23 00:49:44 Is it safe to use extras-testing and extras-devel on PR1.2 as there isn't a fremantle-1.2 listed on either... just on the standard extras Jun 23 00:50:10 yes Jun 23 00:50:14 it's the default Jun 23 00:50:34 ok Jun 23 00:51:17 http://linuxers.org/article/canonical-not-developing-ubuntu-tablet-edition-says-shuttleworth Jun 23 00:52:05 dotblank, then you're wearing blinders Jun 23 00:52:08 http://www.amazon.com/MINI-connector-Micro-USB-Female/dp/B001W9WBPU/ref=pd_sim_cps_4 Jun 23 00:52:12 lol I just read that quote as... Jun 23 00:52:17 * Arkenoi wants hundred of those Jun 23 00:52:21 "The devices world is a really exciting space right now and we're really full of bullshit on it", said Kenyon Jun 23 00:52:27 Businesses stuck on legacy Windows crap can't migrate to Linux Jun 23 00:52:35 Windows hurts the economy. Jun 23 00:53:42 GAN900: actually Jun 23 00:53:52 GAN900: alot of them barely depend on Windows software by now Jun 23 00:54:05 Ikarus, if you say so Jun 23 00:54:08 except Office Jun 23 00:54:08 just a few legacy apps that might be worth getting working well on Wine Jun 23 00:54:14 luke-jr: Office isn't a dependency Jun 23 00:54:14 I know of three I can name right now. Jun 23 00:54:17 Outlook is though Jun 23 00:54:21 anyone know why they did away with the "More..." option? Jun 23 00:54:34 oh and Financial departments who are too stuck with bloated Excel crap Jun 23 00:54:39 I normally install catorize... but without it - it just looks silly Jun 23 00:54:42 anyway, bed time for me :) Jun 23 00:54:43 Lantizia, they replaced it with the ability to move icons Jun 23 00:54:47 Ikarus, I think you'd be surprised by how many businesses do and how old some of the stuff they depend on is. Jun 23 00:54:51 Small businesses Jun 23 00:55:01 dotblank, the icons don't move for me Jun 23 00:55:14 GAN900: otoh, alot of stuff is being replaced by webservices, etc Jun 23 00:55:23 linux needs a flagship small business server Jun 23 00:55:29 Ikarus, many of which still depend on Windows. Jun 23 00:55:33 GAN900: not these :) Jun 23 00:55:40 the most used accountancy software here is webbased Jun 23 00:55:42 the move to cloud services will help linux I think Jun 23 00:55:44 works great in Firefox Jun 23 00:56:00 Ikarus, OK, is that in a small business? :) Jun 23 00:56:30 Linux really needs some decent retail software Jun 23 00:56:35 what kills small businesses is office Jun 23 00:57:05 It's amazing to me that there isn't even any decent PoS software available. Jun 23 00:57:06 Open Office is great but I still have some doubts about it Jun 23 00:57:19 GAN900, I actually considered making one Jun 23 00:57:27 GAN900, about 2 years ago Jun 23 00:57:49 GAN900, and there are actually lots of commercial PoS on linux Jun 23 00:58:02 GAN900, although they never say they use it Jun 23 00:59:01 Webbased isn't a viable option Jun 23 00:59:11 GAN900, no some native apps.. Jun 23 01:00:08 GAN900, no open source software tho.. actually not much Jun 23 01:01:09 My first job I had (pizza shop) their PoS crashed Jun 23 01:01:34 found out the PoS was made in VBasic Jun 23 01:02:19 it had no error handling and crashed when there was a small messup in the database Jun 23 01:03:08 I had to go into the bytecode with a hex editor and fix the database Jun 23 01:31:49 * DocScrutinizer sighs Jun 23 01:34:59 dotblank: sue the original developer Jun 23 01:35:49 Well, as long as we don't have commercial salesforces going around the world trying to sell ideas and products, we'll never have the marketshare that proprietary apps have Jun 23 01:36:17 I mean, you really think some website can compete to a guy knocking on your door selling you a product and demoing it right in front of your eyes? Jun 23 01:36:28 somehow the pattern of VB 'developers' not even aware such thing like error handling exists at all, this all sounds quite familiar to me Jun 23 01:37:11 * SpeedEvil ponders RMS turning up at the door of a buisness. Jun 23 01:38:14 how? Jun 23 01:38:50 dead, preferably Jun 23 01:39:34 why? The guy might not be Mr. Sympathy but at least he vows for software freedom. Jun 23 01:39:49 I'd much rather prefer Steve {Jobs|Ballmer} dead. Jun 23 01:39:59 He has done a lot. Jun 23 01:40:05 I think that is indisputable. Jun 23 01:40:14 If it's always positive is a matter of debate. Jun 23 01:40:49 Well, I know he belches and farts a lot and also eats stuff out of his feet Jun 23 01:41:00 ptl: and if we could stop the endless microsoft/apple bashing, that'd be quite refreshing too Jun 23 01:41:07 but that is fun Jun 23 01:41:14 why you want to stop the fun? Jun 23 01:41:15 no, it really isn;t Jun 23 01:43:05 It's like homosexuality, I don't like what homosexuals males like but I can't interfere on their right to have fun! Jun 23 01:44:11 well, I can interefere with your privilege to bash apple and microsoft in this channel Jun 23 01:44:17 lol Jun 23 01:44:24 you're always nervous, dude... Calm down! Jun 23 01:44:31 so... BECOME AN OP IRL Jun 23 01:44:39 err Jun 23 01:44:44 s/OP/COP/ Jun 23 01:44:59 so you'll be able to kick people and never have to be responsible for your own actions! Jun 23 01:45:05 ? Jun 23 01:45:07 yaaaaaaaay Jun 23 01:45:17 I wouldn't use it Jun 23 01:45:21 sure you would Jun 23 01:46:31 why the N900 does not play MP4 MPEG-4 files from YouTube? Extra codecs also installed. Jun 23 01:46:52 I wouldn't, really.. When IRC was popular in my country I was founder of a city channel with more than 600 simultaneous accesses... And I quite liked the idea that everybody had their expressions right, I was even highly tolerant of trolling Jun 23 01:49:06 Aranel, which fle? Mine played all youtube videos I tried so far. Jun 23 01:49:18 Aranel, maybe I can try it here and see if mine plays. Jun 23 01:49:36 crashanddie: the alarm clock faled? time for pills? :-P Jun 23 01:49:40 ptl: ok then, here it is: http://keephd.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D75EZljZCuCM Jun 23 01:49:57 ptl: just click the Download MP4 - High Definition one, bottom of the list. Jun 23 01:50:00 DocScrutinizer: nooooo, not the doo-goodie pills, I want to flyyyyyyy Jun 23 01:50:15 :-D Jun 23 01:51:53 OHH FSCK! just noticed a friggin flimsy lil latch on the thumbnail side of the back cover, that's completely broken on this NEW N900 Jun 23 01:52:04 what a crap Jun 23 01:52:41 hrrmmmm Jun 23 01:52:52 DocScrutinizer: hmm? Jun 23 01:53:05 MY old good n900 has that latch, non broken Jun 23 01:53:07 Aranel: this url didn't work, it complained that I didn't have java Jun 23 01:53:57 ahh iphone you useless piece of crap Jun 23 01:53:59 ptl: here is the one without flash: http://m.keephd.com/download_video.php Jun 23 01:54:15 'i refuse to play this 4.1 baseline h264 just because i dont like the flag' Jun 23 01:54:26 ptl: and youtube URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75EZljZCuCM Jun 23 01:55:10 now that flimsy shit is definitely a design flaw of the ME guys Jun 23 01:55:21 DocScrutinizer: I don't understand which latch? Jun 23 01:55:26 but luckily the back cover still doesn't fall off Jun 23 01:55:49 asj: so probably yours is conpletely gone :-P Jun 23 01:56:05 Aranel: I will try it, hold on Jun 23 01:56:33 asj: It's exactly 'above' the microphone hole Jun 23 01:56:45 when you open up the back cover Jun 23 01:57:06 DocScrutinizer: ah, both my phones have it still Jun 23 01:57:33 on my new one (1 day old) is's broken Jun 23 01:57:38 but I could see how it could easily break, I like the metal back covers nokia changed too Jun 23 01:57:50 * Arkenoi checked mine, ok Jun 23 01:57:58 and I'm more baffled it's not broken on my other one Jun 23 01:58:01 * Arkenoi loved e90 casing Jun 23 01:58:21 solid metal almost everywhere Jun 23 01:58:31 ptl: thank you =) Jun 23 01:59:03 67 MB, it will take some time Jun 23 01:59:55 Aranel: can you imagin how big the n900 would have been if they built it like the e90? Jun 23 02:00:19 "is that an n900 in your pocket or a night stick" Jun 23 02:00:23 maybe that's been the reason for the tremedous 'rebate' :-P Jun 23 02:01:09 asj: i think it's ok, the keyboard was much better Jun 23 02:01:56 asj: maybe they should change the flat cable from body/kbd to screen by a flexible 90cm then, so you could balance the weight to both sides ;-P Jun 23 02:02:04 9500 sucked big time, crappy plastic which was very easy to break Jun 23 02:02:26 so e90 was big improvement Jun 23 02:02:27 DocScrutinizer: 90cm? you calling me fat? ;) Jun 23 02:02:34 lol Jun 23 02:02:38 speaking of food, lunch tmie! Jun 23 02:02:46 18% of the video yet Jun 23 02:04:16 ptl: now also downloaded the FLV version of it, this one also doesn't play on media player, but works well with KMPlayer. Jun 23 02:04:39 Lantizia: where will we see the 2-liner shellcmd to adjust eMMC partition sizes to our whim? Jun 23 02:04:53 flv would only play through flash, I think Jun 23 02:05:19 nope, mplayer plays it natively Jun 23 02:05:37 Yes, I know Jun 23 02:05:47 ptl: and It also lags :/ sound faster than video. Jun 23 02:05:50 I'm saying with the standard preinstalled software Jun 23 02:09:03 35% :-/ Jun 23 02:13:43 ptl: now downloading 480x360 one too, to try if that one works or not Jun 23 02:25:10 74% Jun 23 02:25:30 ptl: downloading BenHur? Jun 23 02:33:31 DocScrutinizer51: I don't even know what Aranel's video is all about, lol Jun 23 02:33:36 just downloading it to test Jun 23 02:33:47 it's certainly not the benhur flick Jun 23 02:34:02 can anyone recommend an email client Jun 23 02:34:04 ptl: My Favourite Game by The Cardigans :P Jun 23 02:35:36 anything? Jun 23 02:38:27 Aranel: it downloaded, let's try it Jun 23 02:38:44 not possible to reproduce, format not supported Jun 23 02:38:45 :( Jun 23 02:38:49 In about:config in Maemo 5's browser, how can I access the context menu or otherwise create new preference strings/integers/booleans? Jun 23 02:39:18 ptl: yeah It doesn't play on mine too. I wonder why.. Jun 23 02:39:57 sjgadsbyNB, isn't there a field at the top? Jun 23 02:40:44 GeneralAntilles: There is, but that seems to be just for searching. Can I create new preferences using that box? If so, how? Jun 23 02:40:52 sjgadsbyNB, no idea. Jun 23 02:59:40 any music identification apps? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 23 02:59:56 2010