**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 23 02:59:56 2010 Jun 23 03:22:43 "identification"? Jun 23 03:23:43 any character identification apps? Jun 23 03:24:35 a profile media player would be a better start Jun 23 03:24:38 :) Jun 23 03:25:02 Macer: happy fathers' day +2 Jun 23 03:25:15 anyone want my new calendar app? Jun 23 03:25:16 heh. thanks. you too Jun 23 03:25:19 thanks Jun 23 03:25:56 my cal app probably takes 4 or 5 minutes to render a week on N900 Jun 23 03:25:58 <.< Jun 23 03:33:11 "I promise to be careful" LOL Jun 23 03:33:46 yello Jun 23 03:33:50 DocScrutinizer51, is that how the loan agreement reads? :P Jun 23 03:34:14 about:config Jun 23 03:34:38 german version of accept button Jun 23 03:37:28 shorter: switch to cursor mode in about:config Jun 23 03:39:58 (double?)clicking any value either toggles or opens an edit requester Jun 23 03:40:38 ooops Jun 23 03:41:17 sjgadsbyNB: ^^^^ Jun 23 03:44:37 Doc*51 Jun 23 03:44:40 lol Jun 23 03:44:49 not sure what you mean Jun 23 03:45:01 what is cursor mode in reference to? Jun 23 03:46:00 shorter: sorry, EADDR. was for sjgadsbyNB Jun 23 03:46:50 how to edit values in microB's about:config page Jun 23 04:13:30 DocScrutinizer51: Thanks, but I'm able to edit existing preferences. How can I add new ones? Jun 23 04:15:12 I never heard about adding name-value tuples to the preferences. My take on that always been all that the browser knows to read and handle is actually listed in about:config Jun 23 04:16:12 lol Jun 23 04:16:32 but somehow I have the feeling I don't really get what you want to do Jun 23 04:18:10 Ah, I don't have much hope of success, but I was playing with adding spellcheck support. I dropped the (probably not working) lib in the right place, but I need preference values to try to activate it. Jun 23 04:19:14 On desktop Firefox, right clicking opens a context menu with a New... option. Can't find an equivalent in MicroB. Jun 23 04:20:50 mhm Jun 23 04:20:56 no idea then Jun 23 04:21:17 thanks for explaining :- Jun 23 04:21:24 :-) Jun 23 04:21:30 Out of interest, has anyone tried to use qemu on the n900? (outside of just for certain binaries - (doing a full OS boot in qemu)) Jun 23 04:22:38 bochs, not qemu: http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html Jun 23 04:23:09 Yeah, I knew people had been using Bochs. I like qemu better :P Jun 23 04:25:05 bochs -> x86-linux -> qemu -> whatever :-P Jun 23 04:26:29 emulator on an emulator :P I think x86 emulation is going to be slow enough without doing that! :D Jun 23 04:26:49 just kidding Jun 23 04:27:29 any idea if OpenBTS would be legal to setup in the US? Jun 23 04:27:31 <.< Jun 23 04:28:55 sure - if you get a licence from FCCm(or whatever authority) Jun 23 04:29:04 :/ Jun 23 04:29:12 any chance I could cover the city and go unnoticed? Jun 23 05:01:12 DocScrutinizer51: and what if the 900 MHz band is unlicensed? :D Jun 23 05:02:37 luke-jr: I think 900 is used by US military. Probably nobody will care XP Jun 23 05:03:34 hmm Jun 23 05:03:42 apparently it's unlicensed, but not allowed for 'communications' Jun 23 05:03:54 is it possible to run GSM in data-only mode? ;) Jun 23 05:03:55 guess why! Jun 23 05:04:08 sure Jun 23 05:04:48 (there is precedent that data is not 'communications', as this rule applies to 802.11 frequencies too) Jun 23 05:05:56 I guess the GIs will not discuss that particular detail Jun 23 05:06:25 I wonder if it is communications when you have 100 chinese kids in your basement processing your data Jun 23 05:06:55 GIs? Jun 23 05:07:43 luke-jr: soldiers Jun 23 05:08:36 hmm Jun 23 05:08:45 someone just pointed out a flaw in my plan Jun 23 05:08:53 unlicensed use has power limits :( Jun 23 05:09:21 I have a solution luke-jr Jun 23 05:09:26 Move. Jun 23 05:09:31 Yes thats my solution to everything Jun 23 05:09:45 Termana: you forget I can't Jun 23 05:10:02 No, I didn't forget :P Jun 23 05:10:11 also, that would only be a half-solution Jun 23 05:10:23 never seen a carrier that lets me connect my cell to my internal PBX Jun 23 05:10:25 :p Jun 23 05:10:29 in Russia a similar issue is probably solved much quicker, as 811.2a (?) interferes with military radar. Assumtions are you'll attract the air2air missiles of the MIGs Jun 23 05:11:47 err 802.11 Jun 23 05:11:48 In Soviet Russia, missiles attract you! Jun 23 05:12:20 Worst russian joke ever :P, I had nothing to work with! :P Jun 23 05:15:28 so. how is that portrait desktop going? Jun 23 05:15:30 :) Jun 23 05:16:06 it would be interesting if someone made an android ui using X Jun 23 05:17:37 android seems to handle the portrait to landscape very well Jun 23 05:18:17 then again... almost all other phone UIs seem to Jun 23 05:21:51 I honestly couldn't care less about portrait Jun 23 05:23:03 heh Jun 23 05:23:42 well. there is nothing wrong with being part of the minority Jun 23 05:23:48 ;) Jun 23 05:26:45 portrait mode makes sense when you're using only one hand... Jun 23 05:34:44 and have a lot to read Jun 23 05:35:07 it's easier to read e.g. forums in portrait mode if scaled correctly Jun 23 05:39:36 and also typing Jun 23 05:44:08 wtf... the calendar widget doesn't show birthdays... that's crap Jun 23 05:45:56 you want to try the calendar widget replacement Jun 23 05:46:05 not sure if it's extras{,-testing,-devel} Jun 23 05:48:20 cal-home-widget is in extras-devel Jun 23 05:50:56 typing? with one hand? in portait? easier?? *cough* Jun 23 05:54:11 DocScrutinizer: thank god for a highres screen Jun 23 05:54:15 we meant it should be made easier, currently it's not, hence the need of better portrait mode. Jun 23 05:54:48 try using the n900 with only one hand for a day and you'll see. Jun 23 05:58:03 thank god I have two healthy hands Jun 23 05:58:49 and even when I need to operate the phone with one hand only, I prefer landscape and using the hw kbd Jun 23 05:59:41 YMMV Jun 23 06:00:35 pigeon: you own stock in a lube company or something? Jun 23 06:00:47 that's fair enough, but one of the reasons could be the current portrait mode support sucks :) Jun 23 06:01:05 maybe Jun 23 06:01:14 asj: you've lost me... Jun 23 06:01:53 pigeon: nm, I think portrait mode would handy in certain areas, but after getting stuck with symbian and it's love for portrait I'm not fan of that Jun 23 06:02:51 yeah, i'm not saying the landscape isn't good. Jun 23 06:02:58 and I love user choice, so making it trivial for the dev, and trivial for the user to choose is good Jun 23 06:03:54 it's just like today it's raining holding the umbrella and i find it difficult to reply e-mail or smses. Jun 23 06:05:58 I can't see you doing that in portrait more easily, without T9 or similar shit Jun 23 06:05:59 portrait is good for one handed use Jun 23 06:06:31 DocScrutinizer: yeah, sure. Jun 23 06:06:51 like vertsms for example. Jun 23 06:07:10 on MotoQ9 I got even a rather decent hw kbd in portrait mode, and I found it impossible to operate with one hand Jun 23 06:09:04 T9 rules Jun 23 06:09:56 although, qtopia's predictive software keyboard was good Jun 23 06:13:06 what kind of range would 1 W get on the 900 MHz radio? Jun 23 06:15:28 raster's error tolerant kbd is still even better than any predictive. It's kinda T9 for fullsize kbd Jun 23 06:17:35 Also, you can use portrait mode so you can wipe your arse and use the device at the same time Jun 23 06:17:37 Kidding :P Jun 23 06:18:13 hmm, the device isn't smooth enough :-S Jun 23 06:18:14 Ass-texing is a major problem - not a joking matter. Jun 23 06:49:59 Termana: i bet you have this t-shirt :) http://tinyurl.com/yeparp6 Jun 23 07:34:49 morning Jun 23 07:58:58 hi, is there a delay before the promote package link appears for apps in testing? Jun 23 08:00:15 oh wait.. there's a 10 day quarantine for new versions too? Jun 23 08:02:52 X-Fade, Hi! Do you know why there's no php5 (and dev) packages for fremantle? no maintainer? Jun 23 08:06:25 Morning :) Jun 23 08:06:31 DocScrutinizer, two liner? one liner you mean Jun 23 08:06:50 sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 23 08:07:12 shake 'n' flash Jun 23 08:08:43 Mece: yes, 10d for everything Jun 23 08:11:13 frals_, is there an equivalent to packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntu.com for maemo? Jun 23 08:11:29 maemo.org/packages Jun 23 08:11:37 http://repository.maemo.org/ Jun 23 08:11:45 or that maybe Jun 23 08:14:13 so z500 eh Jun 23 08:14:46 nah neither of them are the same really Jun 23 08:15:47 frals_: when will you release 10.1 for us? Jun 23 08:15:55 you can't see dependencies at a glance, differences in versions according to extras extras-testing extras-devel Jun 23 08:16:10 you can't download the original source from it Jun 23 08:16:49 frals_, thanks, and also bleh. crap. Jun 23 08:16:51 not the same :( Jun 23 08:17:05 you can see dependencies, changelog and which version is where from maemo.org/packages Jun 23 08:17:11 and download the source Jun 23 08:17:19 http://maemo.org/packages/view/wget/ Jun 23 08:17:25 http://packages.debian.org/wget Jun 23 08:17:39 They clearly don't offer the same options on a per package view Jun 23 08:18:54 Lantizia: what do you miss? Jun 23 08:18:55 I can also see the maintainer, the original home page, and suggested packages from the debian version Jun 23 08:19:05 hi Jun 23 08:19:14 oh Jun 23 08:19:34 the maemo version is nothing more than package name, description and build history :S Jun 23 08:19:45 flash 10.1 Jun 23 08:19:58 will it require a new PR or can it be packaged separately? Jun 23 08:20:32 packaging it separately means breaking the ssu package Jun 23 08:20:34 Lantizia: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/quick-launch/0.4/ Jun 23 08:20:43 I think it differs from package to package.. Jun 23 08:20:48 MohammadAG51: true Jun 23 08:20:50 And who said flash 10.1 was even coming Jun 23 08:20:59 MohammadAG51: making a PR means you and me waiting ... forever... Jun 23 08:21:13 Appiah, ah! thats closer to the information I'm used to seeing - a mouthful of a URL however :) Jun 23 08:21:23 MohammadAG51: I have no idea... apparently adobe is sending it to manufacturers starting today... Jun 23 08:21:28 hey look everyone MohammadAG51 said that flash 10.1 _is_ coming Jun 23 08:21:30 * Appiah ducks Jun 23 08:21:54 * MohammadAG51 gets a 10 foot pole and walks towards Appiah Jun 23 08:22:27 now now Jun 23 08:22:40 let's not solve problems middle-east style :) Jun 23 08:22:53 Do Adobe put the ARM builds anywhere public ? Jun 23 08:23:05 I mean if they do it's just one file to swap out for 10.1 Jun 23 08:23:05 tybollt, you thought I was going to beat him with it? touche Jun 23 08:23:30 how would I go about creating a custom field in contacts manager Jun 23 08:23:42 like create a custom field for an im application Jun 23 08:23:44 tybollt, I can't explain what it's for, it's a family channel Jun 23 08:24:09 10 foot? braggin are we? :) Jun 23 08:24:23 MohammadAG51: :-D Jun 23 08:24:24 Appiah: Mice-feet Jun 23 08:24:47 Appiah, nah, you just lost something you can't get back :P Jun 23 08:25:07 =( Jun 23 08:25:18 MohammadAG51: pics or it din happen Jun 23 08:25:24 Appiah, oh, and it was a metal pole, not a ... Jun 23 08:25:52 MohammadAG51: You have to seek out a shrink - You're NOT Iron-man Jun 23 08:25:59 ;P Jun 23 08:26:10 morning \o Jun 23 08:26:10 tybollt, =( <--says it all Jun 23 08:26:18 lol Duckboot Jun 23 08:26:24 morning lcuk Jun 23 08:26:50 mornin lcuk Jun 23 08:27:13 smells like fish in here Jun 23 08:27:13 hell wouldn't a flash 10.1 .so file compiled for any ARM be ok? (e.g. for android - just copy the file over to maemo) Jun 23 08:27:29 umm Jun 23 08:27:33 Lantizia, I doubt it'd be that easy Jun 23 08:27:34 IS there script counter time connection? Jun 23 08:27:41 MohammadAG51, and why not? Jun 23 08:27:55 try it Jun 23 08:28:00 and see what happens :) Jun 23 08:28:04 Lantizia, the browsers differ Jun 23 08:28:29 well I don't know where to download the ARM build of Adobe Flash from... are the publically available? Jun 23 08:28:36 also does flash work in any other than microb yet Jun 23 08:28:54 MohammadAG51, true... no mozilla browser on android for there to be a need for a mozilla plugin Jun 23 08:28:58 tybollt, yes, firefox, but you have to enable it Jun 23 08:29:03 ah Jun 23 08:29:18 * tybollt enables MohammadAG51 Jun 23 08:29:43 * pupnik starts to learn what symbiN + E71 does better than maemo :) Jun 23 08:29:53 pupnik: ? Jun 23 08:30:05 troll alert! Jun 23 08:30:12 I call troll yes Jun 23 08:30:13 some menus are nicely optimized - few keyclicks Jun 23 08:30:22 and less *lag* Jun 23 08:30:52 pupnik, less eye candy too Jun 23 08:30:54 I can haz troll? Jun 23 08:30:58 there are a few things it does well Jun 23 08:31:04 pupnik: why did you get E71? Jun 23 08:31:15 can we go back On topic btw :) Jun 23 08:31:22 * Duckboot has a E75 laying around somewhere - pretty nice phone all in all. Jun 23 08:31:24 When I read about the n900 in this channel , feels like I'm one of the few with a n900 going smooth thru the menus? Jun 23 08:31:49 these are small differences of a couple hundred milliseconds Jun 23 08:31:57 but it makes for a different feeling Jun 23 08:31:58 MohammadAG51: so why not test it? Jun 23 08:31:58 tada... here's flash... /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so Jun 23 08:32:21 MohammadAG51: we should be able to get a 10.1 arm bin out of adobe and atleast _try_ Jun 23 08:32:27 so what if we misserably fail Jun 23 08:32:51 tybollt: Buy an iPad.... Jun 23 08:32:54 * Duckboot ducks Jun 23 08:33:11 i search connection counter time, hel me,pls Jun 23 08:33:43 tybollt: try what? Jun 23 08:34:32 tybollt: there is no flash plugin with compatible interface for any other phone Jun 23 08:35:11 you're dead sure about that Jun 23 08:35:14 jacekowski: Jun 23 08:35:23 yes Jun 23 08:35:24 tybollt, you will miserably fail, but if you misreably succeed, kudos to you Jun 23 08:35:50 tybollt: but still, it's possible to reverse engineer it and modify interface Jun 23 08:35:58 so. does conversations support msn. Jun 23 08:35:58 tybollt: but then still why you want to do it? Jun 23 08:36:07 MohammadAG51: tybollt: Wrapper? Jun 23 08:36:10 its not an option to add an account through it, but my googling suggests its possible. Jun 23 08:36:17 tybollt: hardware acceleration? Jun 23 08:36:34 no Jun 23 08:36:36 tybollt: not going to happen on n900 because it would have to use completly different interfaace Jun 23 08:36:53 built in flash doesn't work w/ a certain app that monitors world cup =) Jun 23 08:37:04 jacekowski, the arm build doesn't even have HW accel yet Jun 23 08:37:05 fuck the world cup Jun 23 08:37:27 jacekowski: Nah - Could'nt it be done through an wrapper - Like the on which use Windows-WiFi-drivers in Linux? Jun 23 08:37:29 * MohammadAG51 slaps jacekowski with a vuvuzela Jun 23 08:37:35 Yeah I bet there's a lot of that going on... http://asset.soup.io/asset/0886/2236_e7b1_500.jpeg (nsfw) Jun 23 08:37:43 MohammadAG51: grr Jun 23 08:37:46 MohammadAG51: niggerhorn Jun 23 08:38:25 LOL @ england one Jun 23 08:38:26 Duckboot: ndiswrapper is quite simple Jun 23 08:38:34 jacekowski, racist Jun 23 08:38:41 Duckboot: linux NAPI and windows NDIS are quite similiar Jun 23 08:38:47 MohammadAG51: so? Jun 23 08:42:52 jacekowski: M'kay. Jun 23 08:44:36 i search script, or software of network traffic monitor, help me pls. Thx Jun 23 08:44:51 oh wow! Jun 23 08:44:58 Banshee detects my N900 as a music device Jun 23 08:45:07 complete with icon and device info Jun 23 08:45:08 whoa Jun 23 08:45:21 backtrack mobile beta to release in julyt Jun 23 08:45:24 july* Jun 23 08:45:32 so? Jun 23 08:45:42 so cool Jun 23 08:45:45 i have more tools in my n900 that in backtrack Jun 23 08:45:52 can't wait to test this out Jun 23 08:46:08 well it support packet injection Jun 23 08:46:13 supports* Jun 23 08:46:39 http://liranuna.com/junk/banshee-n900.png Jun 23 08:46:43 so? Jun 23 08:46:51 you don't know how to use it properly anyways Jun 23 08:47:07 one other qyuestion being, how can one search through the application download section Jun 23 08:47:10 on an n900 Jun 23 08:47:22 it's search as you type Jun 23 08:47:25 jacekowski: You're a sunshine this morning ;-P Jun 23 08:47:46 obsidieth: All apps - start typing Jun 23 08:48:22 jacekowski, your saying that I don't know how to use packet injection? Jun 23 08:49:05 dotblank, yes, he is Jun 23 08:49:19 i had nemesis working on n900 couple months ago Jun 23 08:49:40 yeah Jun 23 08:49:51 usually MohammadAG51 is the 'sunshine' around here... ;P Jun 23 08:50:01 Thats kinda dumb and naive to say I don't know how to use packet injection Jun 23 08:50:04 besides, openchoice desktop is shit Jun 23 08:50:43 yeah, whatever Steve Jobs dictates should be good for everyone Jun 23 08:50:44 tybollt, you're asking for that pole Jun 23 08:51:30 point in case >:) Jun 23 08:51:54 can i connect my n900 to the internet using my laptop connection??? Jun 23 08:52:03 MohammadAG51: Did you know that in Sweden they actually dance around pole at midsummer eve. So it's kinda suiting that you drag a pole around today. Jun 23 08:52:16 Mymo, what does your laptop has that your N900 doesn't? Jun 23 08:52:39 this is not the pole you are thinking about duckie. Jun 23 08:52:52 Hey I want to reset my N900 to factory mode ... therefor I want to flash it with the emmc image .... It says the battery needs to be fully charged in the wiki ... is that just so the device won't turn off in the process? Jun 23 08:52:55 tybollt: Nah - Probs not. Jun 23 08:52:56 Mymo: yes Jun 23 08:53:03 Mymo: google will help Jun 23 08:53:10 LiraNuna nothing but bigger screen ;) Jun 23 08:53:18 alschroe: Yep Jun 23 08:53:34 lol tybollt Jun 23 08:53:44 err, Duckboot Jun 23 08:53:44 Mymo, I meant, why would your N900 wouldn't be able to use any connection that the laptop is able to connect to? Jun 23 08:53:52 so I can flash it with less than a full battery right? Jun 23 08:54:08 alschroe: Probs - but why take the risk? Jun 23 08:54:10 yes, 50 percent should do I guess Jun 23 08:54:27 i flashed it with 25% battery once Jun 23 08:54:27 because I don't want to wait anymore :) Jun 23 08:56:18 alschroe: Patience, my young Padawan Jun 23 08:56:48 LiraNuna i use 3G usb on my laptop....but i want to know if i can connect my n900 to the laptop then use the internet connection on n900 Jun 23 08:57:02 I am more the dark side kind a person -.- we have cookies ! Jun 23 08:57:13 Mymo, N900 can do 3G just fine..?! Jun 23 08:57:23 unless you got two operators Jun 23 08:57:45 LiraNuna, I think it's a 3G usb modem Jun 23 08:58:04 ^yep 3G usb modem hooked to my laptop Jun 23 08:58:16 N900 has a built in 3G modem as well Jun 23 08:58:27 When I flash the N900 with the emmc I have to flash the PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 afterwards too right ? Jun 23 08:58:56 alschroe, the opposite Jun 23 08:59:05 yeah but i got one SIM that i use with the 3G usb modem Jun 23 08:59:22 isn't it the other way around.. first vanilla, then emmc... but you don't actually need to flash emmc unless it's gone weird.. Jun 23 08:59:36 yes Jun 23 08:59:38 sorry if i'm not making sense ;) Jun 23 08:59:56 Mymo, buy another SIM? :D Jun 23 08:59:56 use the sim in the N900 :) Jun 23 09:00:21 and use mobilehostpot to tether (also comes with a free heater!) Jun 23 09:00:22 or tether using the N900 ^ Jun 23 09:00:45 MohammadAG51, my N900 doesn't heat when I use bluetooth tethering Jun 23 09:00:49 hmm Jun 23 09:00:58 so i added my msn. but it shows all the offline contacts. Jun 23 09:00:59 LiraNuna, I was referring to wifi tethering Jun 23 09:01:03 ah Jun 23 09:01:11 MohammadAG51: Last I tried mobilehotspot did not like Titan's kernels. Jun 23 09:01:21 I can't get power kernel to work, so mobilehotspot never worked for me Jun 23 09:01:25 Duckboot, two different kernels Jun 23 09:01:26 you did not like my Kernel! how dare you Jun 23 09:01:27 3G and wifi just didn't work Jun 23 09:01:34 Duckboot, and I use my own kernel Jun 23 09:01:44 i'll try that and get back to you guy.....thank u very much guys Jun 23 09:02:13 MohammadAG51: Ok Jun 23 09:02:26 Mymo, do you have a normal call sim already in your n900 Jun 23 09:02:37 yes Jun 23 09:02:44 the simplest is to contact your service provider and add data to that one Jun 23 09:03:25 or as others suggested, put that data sim in your phone, but that loses you your number and the data sims (from 3g modems) dont usually allow calls Jun 23 09:03:54 laptop->n900 tethering is really good -> it acts just like your 3g modem ;) Jun 23 09:04:18 * Duckboot told his employer that he really, really, really needed an unlimited dataplan for his N900. And got it. Jun 23 09:04:36 Ok here is what I am doing and why ... I have a Kolab-server (For those unfamiliar its "like" an exchange server) but since the upgrade to 1.2PR its not working anymore ... this why I want to flash my n900 to factory defaults. First step: ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f" und danach "sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f -R" Jun 23 09:04:42 w00t party on Duckboot's internet Jun 23 09:05:02 \o/ Jun 23 09:05:06 Party on Jun 23 09:05:20 i will search more about tethering o/ Jun 23 09:05:23 Duckboot: actually unlimited? Jun 23 09:05:29 probably not Jun 23 09:05:39 Duckboot: T-Mobile has ridiculous terms - all the data plans are unlimited Jun 23 09:05:39 BCMM: Well - reduced speed after 3Gb Jun 23 09:05:51 Duckboot: but you can pay extra to have a different "fair use limit" Jun 23 09:05:58 Unlimited*â„¢ Jun 23 09:06:14 am I making sense ... is it the right order ? Jun 23 09:06:54 But as I'm on Wifi at home, and at work, I struggle to use 3Gb in a month. Jun 23 09:06:56 Duckboot: on the plus side, t-mobile doesn't cut you off or start charging you over the limit; it just throttles your speed between 4pm and midnight, and occasionally replaces an http request with a page telling you what they did Jun 23 09:06:58 (for the rest of the month) Jun 23 09:07:43 yeah, i find i need surprisingly little bandwidth, since i have a wireless network at home and seldom get the urge to do software updates while cycling Jun 23 09:07:47 BCMM: Full speed until 3Gb, then 128kbps the rest of the month - No extra charge for going over the limit. Jun 23 09:08:04 Duckboot: what country are you in, and which network? Jun 23 09:08:14 BCMM: Norway - Hello. Jun 23 09:08:34 Ridiculus name for a Network Provider. Jun 23 09:09:00 hello ? ... is it the right order? ... Jun 23 09:09:52 alschroe: Read backlog - MohammadAG51 answered the order question. Jun 23 09:10:00 alschroe: no it's the wrong order... Jun 23 09:10:08 10:58 < alschroe> When I flash the N900 with the emmc I have to flash the PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 afterwards too right ? Jun 23 09:10:15 10:58 < MohammadAG51> alschroe, the opposite Jun 23 09:10:33 Duckboot: people providing somewhat "abstract" services seem to struggle to find meaningful names Jun 23 09:10:37 opposite wasn't the best word to use, but... meh Jun 23 09:10:38 we have O2 here Jun 23 09:10:39 MohammadAG51, thats not right Jun 23 09:10:50 BCMM: Mmm Jun 23 09:11:10 (but written like O_2, as in diatomic oxygen) Jun 23 09:11:49 lcuk, fiasco then eMMC Jun 23 09:11:59 yes I was confused because somebody said vanilla first and thats what I am doing ... I specified the hole command and it would be nice if somebody can check that Jun 23 09:12:05 lcuk, that's what the first PR1.2 edit said Jun 23 09:12:15 MohammadAG51, doesnt matter which order as long as no rebooting in between Jun 23 09:12:19 lcuk, and I really don't see why this order is needed Jun 23 09:12:26 yeah Jun 23 09:12:31 but if theres gonna be rebooting, do MMC first Jun 23 09:12:36 oh Jun 23 09:12:44 we also have "3", who presumably do business with people who've heard they need a 3G connection and got confused Jun 23 09:13:00 lcuk, so order doesn't really matter :) Jun 23 09:13:28 MohammadAG51, actually it does Jun 23 09:13:44 if oyu do pr1.2, boot, then eMMC it will need redoing Jun 23 09:14:06 lcuk, w/o reboots, it doesn't matter Jun 23 09:14:10 BCMM, yeah 3 throws a lot of syntax errors Jun 23 09:14:14 * lcuk nods Jun 23 09:14:19 lcuk: eh? Jun 23 09:14:51 BCMM, just the name of a company being a single digit Jun 23 09:14:52 oh, you mean always expecting a noun there are three of after it in sentences? Jun 23 09:14:59 hutchinson telecome was better :) Jun 23 09:15:06 -e Jun 23 09:15:09 "I am connected through 3" Jun 23 09:15:21 (3 what? 3 proxies?) Jun 23 09:16:24 Ok maybe someone can explain it so a real idiot (me) understands what to do ... which image ... and please don't say fiasco.image because thats not what its called ... I simply don't know which is which Jun 23 09:16:38 http://images.whatport80.com/images/c/c9/Good_Luck_I'm_Behind_7_Proxies.jpg Jun 23 09:17:23 lcuk, MohammadAG51, it's better to do eMMC _then_ FIASCO... as I find the N900 starts up after a FIASCO flash and not after an eMMC flash Jun 23 09:17:50 Lantizia, it never reboots on its own, you're using the -R parameter Jun 23 09:17:52 if you dont need to flash eMMC, then dont Jun 23 09:17:58 most people dont need to anyway Jun 23 09:18:12 MohammadAG51, aah! Jun 23 09:18:22 lcuk, I do :) Jun 23 09:18:43 wern't you the guy on about the alternative home partition sizes yesterday? Jun 23 09:18:43 why Jun 23 09:18:46 you are special :D Jun 23 09:18:51 LOL Jun 23 09:19:00 the same, but now i am working Jun 23 09:19:08 sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 23 09:19:25 instead of all my partitioning stuff I had to do with the old eMMC... that works a treat with the new eMMC Jun 23 09:19:37 makes /home 8GB instead of 2GB Jun 23 09:19:52 neat trick Jun 23 09:19:53 lol Jun 23 09:19:59 yeah Jun 23 09:21:04 morning danielwilms Jun 23 09:21:22 hey lcuk Jun 23 09:21:26 :) Jun 23 09:21:28 I find I'm using just over 2GB already... but then I've got openareana installed :) Jun 23 09:21:43 lcuk: how's life? Jun 23 09:22:25 its good danielwilms, just trying to find a tool to write up some things i need. Jun 23 09:23:40 lcuk: why searching...shouldn't be to hard to implement hehe Jun 23 09:24:16 danielwilms, sure i can implement it (I have actually) i just want proper editable document Jun 23 09:24:24 this is for writing up a spec, not coding things ;) Jun 23 09:25:02 * lcuk wants it to look good and be presented well Jun 23 09:25:02 :D Jun 23 09:25:40 i even have examples, i just dont know what to use to actually make new ones Jun 23 09:25:50 http://liqbase.net/liqbase_cal_UI_Ideas_Kalle/liqbase_cal_UI_8_monthedit.jpg Jun 23 09:26:44 Morning, all Jun 23 09:26:52 Kalle Lievejarve sent those over to me just before the summit last year, they have been rolling around head since as being the "right" way to present them Jun 23 09:27:10 and obviously ive been busy with other things ;) Jun 23 09:27:16 g'moaning #maemo Jun 23 09:27:38 morning alterego Jun 23 09:27:46 lcuk: what were you interested in wrt telepathy? Jun 23 09:28:59 alterego, at the time you vanished, Robot101 mentioned that interaction between telepathy and the sharing services was a bit hard. if you happen to be comfortable with both ends, perhaps some groundwork to tie them together would be great Jun 23 09:30:00 Yeah, I was meaning to ask him if the roadmap for his project included that. Or whether it was worth me doing it myself. Jun 23 09:30:32 alterego, well have a talk with him :) Jun 23 09:31:09 I've finished the new version of my project, so I'm going to either move on to that or continue working on my maemo qa testers app. Jun 23 09:31:50 alterego: the guy who wrote the file transfer app is taking summer vacations atm Jun 23 09:32:02 alterego: so nothing much will happen for a while Jun 23 09:32:19 alterego: but albanc was also considering some libsharing+tp stuff too Jun 23 09:32:31 alterego, how is your current app going, you have a screenshot of the ui? Jun 23 09:32:32 alterego: speak to him and he should be able to help anyway Jun 23 09:32:35 Robot101: cool, I'll probably just do it myself then. Is his stuff open source? Jun 23 09:32:47 alterego: the file transfer app? sure Jun 23 09:32:58 And is it C or Python? or C++? Jun 23 09:33:10 its called monorail, is probably on git.collabora.co.uk under jonnylamb Jun 23 09:33:17 and most likely in C Jun 23 09:33:24 Okay, thanks :) Jun 23 09:33:59 i search script, or software, of network traffic monitor, help me pls. Thx Jun 23 09:34:18 The new version of my app has a donate button, which opens a browser and points to a paypal donation option. I think maybe I should, at some point, add the ability to remove that button? Jun 23 09:34:50 Klio: Personal Dataplan Monitor - It's in the repositories. Jun 23 09:34:52 It's more of an experiment rather than profiteering :D Jun 23 09:35:13 Klio: Or did you want something more spesific? Jun 23 09:35:15 Duckboot: thx Jun 23 09:35:37 i want see time connection Jun 23 09:35:55 Klio: On what level? Jun 23 09:36:00 thx i search and install PDM Jun 23 09:36:01 alterego: I don't mind it for individuals but its a slippery slope for companies unless they have or can show a genuine pro-bono non-profit contribution to open source (and justify it) Jun 23 09:36:10 alterego: like mozilla has the foundation Jun 23 09:37:15 Yeah, I am an individual, an unemployed one at that :D Jun 23 09:37:24 Robot101: The company which a work for made this contrib - And now it's used by Facebook and Twitter, and MANY other big sites. Jun 23 09:37:38 s\which a\which I Jun 23 09:38:32 Duckboot: which? Jun 23 09:38:55 Robot101: Sorry - forgot the link: http://www.varnish-software.com/ Jun 23 09:39:39 Robot101: BSD-License if I recall correctly Jun 23 09:40:53 ah yes, cool Jun 23 09:40:56 Robot101: I have even compiled, and tested Varnish on my N900 ;-P Jun 23 09:41:17 Duckboot: PDM only gprs, i want see time connection 3g, o wi-fi, are there software ? Jun 23 09:41:54 I'm not sure what point you're making though - I know companies can do good - but also they make profit - so if they solicit donations they have to be very transparent about how the money is used (and not just to increase profit) Jun 23 09:42:08 Klio: Not sure. Sorry. Jun 23 09:42:33 Duckboot: np. thx Jun 23 09:42:48 I run a company which I firmly believe to do good, I don't solicit donations towards any of our OSS work though, because I don't know how to show the money being used without revealing too much about our financials Jun 23 09:42:53 Robot101: Oh - You mean a real non-profit organization Jun 23 09:43:16 well - thats it - I don't know. :) Jun 23 09:43:24 a full nonprofit would do Jun 23 09:43:31 but I don't have time to make one Jun 23 09:43:39 so atm, don't take donations Jun 23 09:43:54 :) Jun 23 09:43:59 ;-P Jun 23 09:43:59 people have offered to donate collabora money but it always seemed broken to me Jun 23 09:44:07 which is touching but I refused it Jun 23 09:44:11 "Free as in Beer" Jun 23 09:44:30 I hope my donations don't ammount to too much, otherwise I may have to declare them or something :) Jun 23 09:44:49 And it's not donate as in charity, the money will go on food and rent :D Jun 23 09:44:58 And probably beer. Jun 23 09:45:15 Beer is nutricious. Jun 23 09:45:21 :) Jun 23 09:45:35 And it is good for your hair. Jun 23 09:45:40 \o/ Jun 23 09:45:58 Duckboot, why waste good beer pouring it on your hair? Jun 23 09:46:08 Hahah Jun 23 09:46:09 lcuk: Internal use only, ofc Jun 23 09:46:28 the only internal hair i know is up your nose Jun 23 09:46:41 and i always sneeze when i get beer up there Jun 23 09:46:56 So, my next two projects, the Telepathy "share with contact" plugin, and my maemo qa testers ui will be FOSS and no donate button. Jun 23 09:47:20 But I then will work on another app, which I plan to be a pay for. Jun 23 09:47:51 Here is a though - A Desktop Widget which combines Mail, IM, SMS and MMS. Jun 23 09:47:57 thought* Jun 23 09:48:53 Once, I come up with that killer idea. Though, I will continue to write fully FOSS maemo products. And the "Share with Contact" service, like the Media IM updater service is the kind of stuff I want to work on. Basically integrating normal maemo functionalty to make the platform more complete :) Jun 23 09:50:01 So for me, it's about enhancing the current functionality by integrating those components we already have, I find it quite fun and rewarding :) Jun 23 09:50:42 alterego, heh Jun 23 09:51:13 Lantizia, ping Jun 23 09:51:22 pong Jun 23 09:51:49 heya - your nice little hack Jun 23 09:52:00 what about it Jun 23 09:52:25 theres pondering occuring on whether it would actually overlap the other partitions Jun 23 09:52:38 if you do a head -n 17 on the file Jun 23 09:52:42 which might not be noticed until you have data Jun 23 09:52:57 you'll see it specifies 768 for swap, 2048 for home... and doesn't specify size for MyDocs Jun 23 09:52:59 i havent got it to hand - its just a ponderment that was raised Jun 23 09:53:05 the partition layout looks correct Jun 23 09:53:26 imma try it soon Jun 23 09:53:29 reasonable enough - as i say just initial o_O things Jun 23 09:53:31 4096 should do Jun 23 09:53:44 8192 is a lot Jun 23 09:54:00 MohammadAG51, nah not if you install lots of games and things like perl from extras-devel Jun 23 09:54:32 extras-devel has been enabled since day 1 Jun 23 09:54:56 Perl is a bit of a game yes :P Jun 23 09:54:57 quake 3's maps are in mydocs and symlinked to /home/user/.baseq3 Jun 23 09:55:05 alterego, lol Jun 23 09:55:35 achievement unlocked: operating system in 3 lines Jun 23 09:55:38 yeah in /home not MyDocs Jun 23 09:56:02 lcuk, eww, xbox Jun 23 09:56:12 I like my xbox :P Jun 23 09:56:12 lcuk, want my output of sfdisk -f /dev/mmcblk0 for verification? Jun 23 09:56:21 alterego, I hate you Jun 23 09:56:39 rawr :'( Jun 23 09:56:39 PS3s ftw Jun 23 09:56:51 http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pVSb7wcu Jun 23 09:57:02 The XBox is the best product MS have done imo :P Jun 23 09:57:34 riiight, how many successful products have they done anyways Jun 23 09:57:54 A lot Jun 23 09:58:12 windows vista eh? Jun 23 09:58:12 They are the most successful software company on the planet btw :P Jun 23 09:58:14 Lantizia, i wouldnt know how to read it but thanks ill put it elsewhere :) Jun 23 09:58:36 I wonder if microsoft would have been a lovable company if they made games from day one, right back with the Altair Jun 23 09:58:41 i.e. instead of making OS's and apps Jun 23 09:58:46 This is why, when I start my own s/w company I'm going to do it on the moon or in space, so I can have a better title. Jun 23 09:58:50 the OS is a game Jun 23 09:58:59 its got expansion packs and levels ;) Jun 23 09:59:07 "The most successful software company in outer space (afaik)" Jun 23 09:59:15 :) Jun 23 09:59:45 I have just one aim in life. Jun 23 10:00:13 SpeedEvil: AOL are evil :P Jun 23 10:00:22 For my obituary to read '... the reclusive billionaire who for the past century had been living on the moon with his extensive harem of catgirls'. Jun 23 10:00:36 hah Jun 23 10:01:00 Lantizia: can you pastebin df -h? Jun 23 10:01:23 timeless, I've installed a number of packages first you realise :) Jun 23 10:01:33 Lantizia: i only care about totals per volume Jun 23 10:01:40 alterego: ms best product is intellimouse explorer 3.0! ;-) Jun 23 10:01:42 not wasted space per volume Jun 23 10:02:09 timeless, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aAnBATGX Jun 23 10:02:11 mmmmmm coffee Jun 23 10:02:26 hahah Jun 23 10:02:56 timeless, I would normally optify extra directories in /usr/share - but since Nokia have done pretty much about half the ones I'd normally optify in PR1.2 then I thought I'd leave it this time Jun 23 10:03:03 else could free another 40MB on / Jun 23 10:03:05 frals: thx for reminding, i'm a few cups behind on the daily caffeine-overload x) Jun 23 10:03:48 Lantizia: yeah, i'm not interested in what you've moved where, only the partitioning Jun 23 10:04:02 timeless, I'm just saying I haven't moved anything :) Jun 23 10:04:04 we were just curious about the general intelligence of the nokia script you hacked Jun 23 10:04:13 it seems like it's not as dumb as we expected Jun 23 10:04:38 it's important to note the old eMMC image didn't have these instructions at the top of the file Jun 23 10:05:22 with the old eMMC you have to flash it and repartition after ... but since pre-PR1.2 it'll allow you to repartition the eMMC and it'll come back after a reboot it's not an issue - with PR1.2 if you repartition the eMMC and reboot it flips out :S Jun 23 10:06:01 tweaking the eMMC flash image is a more elegant solution anyway Jun 23 10:06:14 * timeless_mbp nods Jun 23 10:06:31 fwiw, the mozilla people would probably appreciate your emmc partition change bits Jun 23 10:06:38 i'm pretty sure they're running out of space :) Jun 23 10:06:54 back in december it took me forever to work out how to repartition it - felt really happy when I worked it out Jun 23 10:07:00 and now it's all meaningless with one sed command :( Jun 23 10:08:03 mozilla bloated Jun 23 10:08:05 naaaaw nevar Jun 23 10:08:21 Lantizia, not meaningless, you simply found a more elegent way to deal with the change you wanted to do Jun 23 10:08:26 So meego is going webkit, hope mobile firefox sticks around :) Jun 23 10:08:29 even if thats a hack atm Jun 23 10:09:02 lcuk, I don't know how you can call it a hack - it's changing a script concatenated at the start of a binary image Jun 23 10:09:10 seems legitimate to me Jun 23 10:09:38 Seems more like a crack to me :P Jun 23 10:09:42 Lantizia, sure Jun 23 10:10:12 alterego, old fashioned script kiddie stuff, changing captions in games to say "alterego was ere" :D Jun 23 10:10:27 Cool, ofono is a Telepathy service :) Jun 23 10:10:36 What I believe is... it formats the _ENTIRE_ eMMC as FAT32 (no partitions) and then after makes partitions 2 and 3 (home and swap) and a disused 4 Jun 23 10:10:39 ( DocScrutinizer, two liner? one liner you mean) heh, that's poor Jun 23 10:10:53 but because FAT32 doesn't have a beginning and an end... it doesn't matter Jun 23 10:11:02 Lantizia: but /usr/share is so full of useful and oft-used content ! Like the flash tutorial or the T&C for all languages known to man ! Jun 23 10:11:28 achipa: except esperanto Jun 23 10:11:33 And Iraqi Jun 23 10:11:50 achipa, these I reckon can still be moved... "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" Jun 23 10:12:05 if fonts and themes can be moved and it can still boot ... then so can sounds Jun 23 10:12:24 Lantizia: cherry cherry :) Jun 23 10:12:41 save about 30M that way Jun 23 10:13:04 how does moving something from one bucket to another save anything? Jun 23 10:13:15 don't you typically save space by deleting? Jun 23 10:13:32 alterego: obviously, I was exaggerating. Klingon and Sindarin are also plainly missing. Jun 23 10:13:36 timeless, saves space on / by moving it to the eMMC Jun 23 10:13:52 * timeless_mbp shrugs Jun 23 10:13:58 timeless, helpful for installing more packages that need a little bit of space on / for things like binaries and libraries Jun 23 10:14:06 timeless_mbp: it saves hardcoded Nokia stuff from borking Jun 23 10:14:13 better to get those things not to install to / Jun 23 10:14:18 (when it runs into missing files) Jun 23 10:14:32 timeless, you can't do that for the main binaries and libraries however - not easily Jun 23 10:14:38 * timeless_mbp shrugs Jun 23 10:14:39 so better to move what isn't either off it Jun 23 10:14:41 timeless_mbp: except these things are preinstalled Jun 23 10:14:41 generally wrong Jun 23 10:14:49 achipa: so? Jun 23 10:15:04 Lantizia's goal is to enable pigs to install to / Jun 23 10:15:12 pigs?! Jun 23 10:15:15 it seems better for the pigs to install to / Jun 23 10:15:17 Hello Jun 23 10:15:35 timeless, and you're going to achieve that how? Jun 23 10:15:36 build w/ --prefix Jun 23 10:15:47 well I certainly cba to do that Jun 23 10:15:58 timeless_mbp: so you cannot just delete/remove them less you risk package/application borkage (talking stricktly about Nokia packages here) Jun 23 10:16:01 Is there any good way to get a overview of Profile/WiFi/Bluetooth with a widget or so? Not need always to access the battery bar? Jun 23 10:16:14 achipa: we aren't really talking about nokia packages Jun 23 10:16:19 they aren't really that interesting Jun 23 10:16:28 you can actually delete files from nokia packages Jun 23 10:16:29 most piggy pig is Nokia by nstalling things like first_steps_tut to / Jun 23 10:16:32 apt doesn't care Jun 23 10:16:49 it will still update the package as long as it claims to be there Jun 23 10:16:54 timeless_mbp: "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" (+cherry) Jun 23 10:17:02 timeless_mbp: "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" (+cherry) Jun 23 10:17:05 achipa: just delete those files Jun 23 10:17:08 and stop wasting space Jun 23 10:17:13 don't uninstall the packages Jun 23 10:17:15 just delete the files Jun 23 10:17:19 shall i repeat again? Jun 23 10:17:31 (do keep the locales you actually need...) Jun 23 10:17:37 Anyone not thought about making such a widget that I propose? Not need always to check whether something is on or off... Jun 23 10:17:41 is there a tune you can do that to ? :) Jun 23 10:17:42 apt does not *care* at all if files are missing Jun 23 10:18:07 Lantizia: sounds is more likely to be needed *very* early in boot than either fonts or locale Jun 23 10:18:37 timeless_mbp: there are apps that DO (cherry cherry cola, as I personally discovered) Jun 23 10:18:37 http://vimeo.com/9693926 has some music Jun 23 10:18:41 DocScrutinizer, well they're only 3.3MB Jun 23 10:18:47 Lantizia: I told you the bare bones system acting_dead on charge is probably accessing a sound for battery charge signallinfg Jun 23 10:18:56 Ok, I will talk with someone that actually is interested then Jun 23 10:19:58 i'm not sure offhand how many pieces cherry actually hooks, but it's likely that you can replace its hook points and then delete the rest Jun 23 10:20:35 but really, it shouldn't matter Jun 23 10:20:44 if you're trying to install 200mb of shared libraries for other apps Jun 23 10:20:47 they won't fit on / Jun 23 10:21:01 if you make /opt bigger and arrange for them to install to /opt, then they'll fit there Jun 23 10:21:20 wasting hours trying to prune a tree might be interesting Jun 23 10:21:28 but more often than not, it's a complete waste of time Jun 23 10:21:38 the pre-MeeGo tablets demo I am watching now which was linked from maemo.org. Will that actually be the UI perhaps even for the N900? Jun 23 10:21:46 http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/item/11706_Pre-alpha_MeeGo_for_tablets_de.php Jun 23 10:22:04 DrGrov: is this #meego? Jun 23 10:22:33 timeless_mbp: oh, just thought i'd ask for fun. nothing more. sorry about that. Jun 23 10:22:44 * timeless_mbp doesn't think it's fun Jun 23 10:22:58 DrGrov: tablet != handset Jun 23 10:23:07 timeless_mbp: ok, i will not say it is fun then. i will say nothing more about meego nor something related to that. Jun 23 10:23:49 timeless_mbp: seem like cranky today, eh? Jun 23 10:24:30 i am Jun 23 10:24:54 timeless_mbp: ok, then i will not say more irritating things since i know how it feels like to be cranky. Jun 23 10:25:00 timeless_mbp: sorry about that :) Jun 23 10:25:11 but please try to keep the borders straight in general Jun 23 10:25:32 timeless_mbp: yes, i will try my best. it was just so fun to see that video so i got excited about it in general. Jun 23 10:25:56 excitement is nice, but it needs to be directed appropriately Jun 23 10:26:24 must... not.. make... rapist... joke... >:) Jun 23 10:26:27 timeless_mbp: agreed, that was completely my mistake going off-topic. Jun 23 10:26:43 border patrol is aproaching with flashing read and blue lights Jun 23 10:26:55 DAMN you DocScrutinizer! LOL Jun 23 10:27:03 s/read/red/ Jun 23 10:27:04 You sent the idiots to catch me, I trusted you... Jun 23 10:27:10 Even you my DocScrutinizer? Even you? Jun 23 10:27:11 oops Jun 23 10:27:25 hehehe Jun 23 10:27:33 Humor is good, very good :) Jun 23 10:27:37 * DrGrov hugs timeless_mbp Jun 23 10:28:24 Oh, wtf did I do wrong now then? Jun 23 10:28:33 No hugging allowed either? Jun 23 10:28:49 Depends where you put the tongue. Jun 23 10:28:58 :-D Jun 23 10:29:01 :-D Jun 23 10:29:11 SpeedEvil: ah you dirty man. i just waited for you to show your face and get the dirty things going Jun 23 10:29:13 :D Jun 23 10:29:45 timeless_mbp: you need some cheering up? i got a few good clips to show that might actually get you out of that cranky mood Jun 23 10:30:20 there's a useless party soon Jun 23 10:30:26 and there's a soccer game tonight Jun 23 10:30:31 * timeless_mbp should get lunch Jun 23 10:30:44 currently, i'm a bit saddened, i finally finished a task Jun 23 10:30:45 timeless_mbp: s,soccer,football, _please_ Jun 23 10:30:50 DocScrutinizer: perhaps you have a solution to my current problem? i see on this screenshot that there is a WiFi shortcut on the desktop but I do not know how to get one there myself. Jun 23 10:31:01 tybollt: football is ambiguous Jun 23 10:31:05 DrGrov: there is an app in extras or somewhere Jun 23 10:31:08 just out of curiosity, what is involvd with getting irssi running with perl scripting enabled Jun 23 10:31:08 timeless_mbp: is not Jun 23 10:31:15 http://static.maemo.org/static/f/fd6d93ee7dd611df81e00b2f6def10921092_thumbnail_screenshot-20100329-131450.png Jun 23 10:31:16 ive installed perl, but it seems i might have to rebuild irssi? Jun 23 10:31:21 DrGrov: sorry I don't know it (yet) Jun 23 10:31:26 the last two visitors i've had are American Football players playing American Football here in Finland Jun 23 10:31:30 DocScrutinizer: no worries :) Jun 23 10:31:31 timeless: It's not. See http://lh5.ggpht.com/_APjgPmP_12w/SZEkmZuG1CI/AAAAAAAAEc0/mZzSuIDvRR0/Handegg_thumb4.jpg for help Jun 23 10:31:46 iiivul Jun 23 10:31:49 SpeedEvil++ Jun 23 10:31:57 timeless_mbp: good food always cheers up :) Jun 23 10:32:01 iivuldiivul Jun 23 10:32:20 and sexy woman Jun 23 10:32:23 DrGrov: good stuff - lets all have mämmi and some whipped cream! Jun 23 10:32:36 and naked woman Jun 23 10:32:37 tybollt: F*** NO for mämmi! Jun 23 10:32:39 tybollt: lol Jun 23 10:32:45 mmmh mämmi Jun 23 10:32:58 * timeless_mbp wonders what m?mmi is Jun 23 10:33:00 i take a big chunk of snus under my lip and it is better than some mämmi Jun 23 10:33:07 timeless_mbp: beware of the mämmi power Jun 23 10:33:15 X-Fade, heya, question - can i change my cloak to something other than community? :) Jun 23 10:33:16 timeless_mbp: it is black goo look-a-like desert Jun 23 10:33:23 And cement! Jun 23 10:33:38 DrGrov: don't be daft - he knows perfectly fine what mämmi is :) Jun 23 10:33:39 lcuk: no Jun 23 10:33:42 ;) Jun 23 10:33:49 bah! Jun 23 10:33:50 tybollt: i am not daft you finnish juntti :) lol Jun 23 10:34:20 tybollt: ah, he tried to trick me? damn him! :) Jun 23 10:34:34 hows it goin this morning X-Fade Jun 23 10:34:45 iptables not doing what I want. Jun 23 10:34:50 tybollt: m m m i? Jun 23 10:34:53 no, i don't Jun 23 10:34:59 lcuk: what's wrong with community? Jun 23 10:35:03 X-Fade, adding new domains? Jun 23 10:35:04 i don't have a corrective algorithm for random letter sequences Jun 23 10:35:19 timeless_mbp: it is black goo-like desert that has a strong taste. tasted good with whipped cream. very much sugar. Jun 23 10:35:21 lcuk: forwarding some ports to some VMs. Jun 23 10:35:35 mämmi... nom nom nom Jun 23 10:35:42 so, basically, it's junk which tastes good w/ sweeteners Jun 23 10:35:44 great Jun 23 10:35:49 no mämmi! Jun 23 10:35:51 snuuuuuus! Jun 23 10:35:52 :) Jun 23 10:36:20 timeless_mbp: spot on, not need any fancy explanation about mämmi. it is just junk :) Jun 23 10:36:24 lol DocScrutinizer nothing at all Jun 23 10:36:36 X-Fade, ahh is this obs stuff again Jun 23 10:36:40 why not skip the junk and go straight for the sweeteners? Jun 23 10:36:45 timeless_mbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi Jun 23 10:36:53 timeless_mbp: m ? m m i is eqiv to m{2,3}i Jun 23 10:36:55 lcuk: Yes Jun 23 10:36:58 i wonder how i will survive midsummer without any #maemo nor maemo apps? :/ Jun 23 10:38:01 DrGrov: you're sure it's not some rotten fish or the like? Jun 23 10:38:15 what does extended call log actually add compared to the regular call log? Jun 23 10:38:17 DocScrutinizer: yeah, it is not rotten fish Jun 23 10:38:25 mmmh surströmming Jun 23 10:38:33 loufoque: you can see all calls Jun 23 10:38:37 aah, yes. That was the name Jun 23 10:38:42 hakarl? Jun 23 10:38:51 nuuska! Jun 23 10:39:17 * DocScrutinizer is fetching the IKEA catalog Jun 23 10:39:52 DrGrov: I can see that in the normal call log as well Jun 23 10:39:59 timeless_mbp: you should try the nuuska Jun 23 10:40:14 * timeless_mbp should try lunch Jun 23 10:40:15 loufoque: yes but not the whole list of calls. with advanced call log you see each call as separate. Jun 23 10:41:15 DocScrutinizer: you're not allowed to board an airplane w/ surströmming anymore - considered too explosive Jun 23 10:41:24 lcuk: drop community and get unafiliated Jun 23 10:41:35 (that's not a joke :) Jun 23 10:41:39 tybollt: lol Jun 23 10:41:52 DocScrutinizer, im very afiliated tho :) Jun 23 10:42:28 DrGrov: indeed, it appears it's merged Jun 23 10:42:43 I wonder if surströmming is considered worse than antrax Jun 23 10:42:48 bioweapon Jun 23 10:42:54 morning Jun 23 10:43:26 moo lardman Jun 23 10:44:45 surströmming is not a bioweapon Jun 23 10:44:58 the problem is that the fish expands a lot during fermenting Jun 23 10:45:46 so yes in rare and bizarre case she cans have been known to explode Jun 23 10:51:10 hey docscrutinizer Jun 23 10:52:54 * lardman finally found some time to do some work on mBarcode, nice feeling Jun 23 10:53:44 somebody found blue indicator LED not flashing on new msgs in PR1.2? o.O Jun 23 10:54:54 lardman, lots of us are finding time to do things Jun 23 10:55:15 doesn't seem to blink on instant messages (can't remember if it did before though) Jun 23 10:55:18 * lcuk is stressing to find a document editor that makes nice layouts tho Jun 23 10:56:09 I'd suggest to the poor guy saurabh on [devel] he should check his settings - indicator-light, then see if he gets white or maybe orange breathing and power-on indicator, and if it's orange he probably has a hw defect Jun 23 10:57:00 But I'd like to hear a WFM for blue SMS / mail flashing indicator on 1.2 first Jun 23 10:57:54 guys? gals? Jun 23 10:59:35 hmmm Jun 23 10:59:41 ~botsnack Jun 23 10:59:41 :), DocScrutinizer Jun 23 11:01:03 c'mon, it's really that stupid and simple a question: have you seen blue flashing indicator on PR1.2? anybody? ever? Jun 23 11:01:28 uh Jun 23 11:01:35 mine is flashing blue for new sms im pretty sure Jun 23 11:01:36 DocScrutinizer: yes Jun 23 11:01:43 thanks Jun 23 11:04:26 yeah mine too Jun 23 11:04:43 really anything that needs to alert you when the phone is sleeping/screen locked Jun 23 11:11:44 holy fscking mother of gahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. i just got a papercut on my tongue whilst licking a rollup Jun 23 11:11:50 lcuk: ow Jun 23 11:12:32 smoking is dangerous to your health ;) Jun 23 11:12:48 lcuk: :D Jun 23 11:13:01 in more ways than one! this is undocumented and more immediate Jun 23 11:13:27 Also - there is spontaneous human combustion. Jun 23 11:13:49 lcuk: SUE!! Jun 23 11:13:51 that implies i am human o_O Jun 23 11:14:16 lcuk: serves you right for smoking ;-) Jun 23 11:14:42 * DocScrutinizer lights up the VanNelle spliff Jun 23 11:15:03 docscrutinizer: re blue light, works for me with sms at least Jun 23 11:15:20 tell you what frals, ill try and stop if you code up the specs im writing now :p Jun 23 11:15:49 lardman: thanks. Already answerd the poor guys misplaced question (how is that [devel]? :-S ) Jun 23 11:15:59 yeah Jun 23 11:16:01 lcuk: bah! ;) Jun 23 11:16:01 np Jun 23 11:18:11 * lcuk might just use the posh template with sketches in the middle of it Jun 23 11:19:38 posh spice? Jun 23 11:21:14 DocScrutinizer, nahh nicer templates i got, im trying to find an editor to allow me to writeup things properly and just keep coming back to pushing them out directly from liqbase cos its just easier Jun 23 11:22:23 lick posh - I see :-P Jun 23 11:22:34 :D there are worse things to lick Jun 23 11:22:40 http://tiddlywiki.com/ Jun 23 11:22:48 I find useful Jun 23 11:23:25 SpeedEvil, nice - at the moment, ive got all my sketches and notes as little elements - i need to combine them to make proper outlines Jun 23 11:24:30 * lcuk has a sketch to svg, but web svg support is somewhat slow Jun 23 11:29:27 how do i remap Aring key into Alt key on 2 arrow kb? Jun 23 11:30:36 lcuk: It's possibly not 100% appopriate - but it has nice ideas Jun 23 11:31:37 alludus: err, please rephrase Jun 23 11:32:21 I need to remap Å-> Aring key into Alt key Jun 23 11:32:29 Holy crap, Nokia are allowing individuals to publish to Ovi now! Jun 23 11:32:33 schweet! Jun 23 11:32:35 on two arrow keyboard Jun 23 11:33:00 alludus: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters Jun 23 11:33:06 alterego, hasn't it always been that way? Jun 23 11:34:34 SpeedEvil, indeed it does :) and it matches with something else i am considering Jun 23 11:34:39 * lcuk is learning lots about the web Jun 23 11:40:01 moo mo Jun 23 11:42:23 anybody got a N8 USB adaper for me? Jun 23 11:42:53 heard those critters ship with N8 Jun 23 11:49:36 * achipa realizes the sound he hears are not vuvuzelas - the actual beeswarm is back, and it's making him uneasy Jun 23 11:51:12 covered in bees~ Jun 23 11:52:20 DocScrutinizer: is it just a gender changer for the normal USB cable? Jun 23 11:52:27 kid you not, it's scary, they are even closer than last time http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=720387&postcount=416 Jun 23 11:52:38 alterego: probably Jun 23 11:52:54 I'd like to see and check one, to know for sure Jun 23 11:53:00 sup peoples Jun 23 11:53:25 Anyhow, bbl Jun 23 11:54:12 achipa: don't wear black, stay cool, call fire brigades Jun 23 11:54:58 * achipa not wearing black: check, stay cool: check, fire brigade: what fire brigade ? Jun 23 11:57:01 (3rd neighbor keeps bees, probably are his, so no need to panic, probably just didn't notice they are prepping to swarm) Jun 23 11:59:13 Damn this Internet! Jun 23 11:59:26 I am going to seek revenge against my ISP. Cables are always in the way. Jun 23 11:59:43 ARGH! Vacuuming in front of the router is not a clever idea Jun 23 11:59:53 DrGrov: don't worry too much... it's just a hype, it's going to be gone soon.. :) Jun 23 12:00:03 achipa: ok, then probably it's not a swarm of african killer bees :-) Jun 23 12:00:16 achipa: nice pics btw Jun 23 12:01:11 any rollercoaster news or other cool games or programms :) Jun 23 12:05:42 can anobody here provide an alternative to flash for youtube? Jun 23 12:05:53 Zoutube doesn't work for all videos Jun 23 12:06:03 DocScrutinizer: thx Jun 23 12:06:24 DrGrov: the same goes for life support equipment (vacuuming) ! Jun 23 12:06:34 i'm working on a fix for zoutube...youtube changed their html..expect to see a new version in extras-testing by the weekend Jun 23 12:06:51 zaheerm: are you scraping or using the youtube api ? Jun 23 12:07:11 achipa, the youtube api doesn't tell you what formats are available for a specific video Jun 23 12:07:21 achipa, so some stuff needs to be scraped Jun 23 12:07:35 zaheerm: :o oke Jun 23 12:07:40 that's actaully the only scraping i am doing, the rest is witht he api Jun 23 12:08:00 zaheerm: I see... didn't know, I just used the API for flashlauncher Jun 23 12:08:06 zaheerm: ah.. nice.. I was just trying to use zoutube like an hour ago and was annoyed that it didn't work. looking forward to the new version. Jun 23 12:08:07 LMAO XP N8 stylus... ->"" This should be a better solution than sausages, which are quickly becoming popular in South Korea for the use with capacitive screens"" Jun 23 12:08:15 zaheerm: any word on real full screen with zoutube? Jun 23 12:08:29 http://thenokiaguide.com/2010/04/28/a-look-at-3-new-n8-accessories/#more-2164 Jun 23 12:08:37 Dassu, the latest one in extras-testing uses the built in media player which ahs full-screen Jun 23 12:09:09 Dassu, but due to youtube changing their html, i need to change zoutube code Jun 23 12:09:25 DocScrutinizer: I like my pink pogo stylus Jun 23 12:10:40 DocScrutinizer: haha... a "totenschläger"-stylus.. :) Jun 23 12:11:01 or pogo sketch or whatever it's called Jun 23 12:11:14 haj: close - "Totschläger" Jun 23 12:11:23 http://www.copquest.com/25-3100.jpg Jun 23 12:11:39 DocScrutinizer: it's a hard word to spell... :) Jun 23 12:12:51 zaheerm: oke, thanks for info. Jun 23 12:13:27 ah.. and it seems to be a common error to spell it totenschläger in Denmark.. 2030 hits on google, only 138 danish hits on "totschläger".. stupid Denmarkians... :) Jun 23 12:27:07 anyway a totenschlaeger would be quite useless, the dead don't need to be beaten anymore Jun 23 12:28:42 while tot is to be dead which makes more sense Jun 23 12:29:29 DocScrutinizer: :) Jun 23 12:30:44 DocScrutinizer: anyway, the stylus looks a bit silly... I like the one on the N900. I'm a bit amazed that I didn't missplace it somewhere yet.. Jun 23 12:32:15 I misplaced mine a couple days ago Jun 23 12:32:20 greetings, earthlings Jun 23 12:32:34 I'm using it quite rarely, so chances to lose it are rare. In case I have a spare that a Nokia service droid 'forgot' in the return package during last repair Jun 23 12:33:05 greetings oh master Jun 23 12:33:21 uhm .. havn't had any repairs yet... but mine is only 3months old or so... what did you get repaired? the USBport issue? Jun 23 12:34:03 nope. Flat cable body to screen. also a not so rare problem Jun 23 12:36:00 at least that's what I guess they fixed. The repair papers weren't very verbose on nature of problem or type of fix Jun 23 12:38:27 crashanddie: and did it turn up again? Jun 23 12:38:58 just now actually, I just looked under the couch Jun 23 12:41:16 crashanddie: you got a CA-157 for me? :-D Jun 23 12:41:30 (N8 adapter OTG) Jun 23 12:42:18 nope Jun 23 12:43:38 i found my stylus in the couch one day Jun 23 12:43:43 after looking for it couple of days Jun 23 12:44:34 now if only I could find my zippo again Jun 23 12:46:22 I had a zippo once Jun 23 12:46:29 but you lost it? :) Jun 23 12:46:35 oh yes Jun 23 12:47:06 I was in the boyscouts... it was very usefull... the only thing that would always light me a fire no matter what :) Jun 23 12:47:25 but this was >20 years ago :P Jun 23 12:47:50 it's annoying losing things.... the most annoying thing I ever lost was my first 9300i, that I hadn't backed up for like 6 months.... grrr! Jun 23 12:48:48 oi Jun 23 12:48:53 reminds me that I still havn't set up my N900 to do automatic rsyncs nightly when it's connected to my home wifi.. ;) Jun 23 12:49:50 haj & tybollt: well, it's probably in my gf's bag or something Jun 23 12:50:20 I know she took when we last went for tennis, so it's probably not "lost", just "temporarily misplaced" Jun 23 12:50:25 anyway, gotta run, later Jun 23 12:51:08 crashanddie: nah.. I lost .. and now he leaves.. oh well, i lost it in a street called "Pusherstreet" in Christiania (Copenhagen)... ;) Jun 23 12:52:13 * alterego burps Jun 23 13:11:19 I love Engadget calling iOS's fake multitasking so amazing. Jun 23 13:11:41 o.O cisco? Jun 23 13:11:58 i(Phone)OS. Jun 23 13:12:09 oh haha Jun 23 13:12:24 * FauxFaux read ios first too. :p Jun 23 13:13:14 lol Jun 23 13:13:52 incredible. now the charger died just in time to send it in for repair together with the N900 Jun 23 13:14:17 what did you do with the n900? Jun 23 13:14:19 DocScrutinizer51, I tell you, they know. Jun 23 13:14:41 it died of a broken heart Jun 23 13:15:11 bah, why? I used it all the time Jun 23 13:18:22 Appiah: me nothing. Nokia broke the powerswitch while repairing it Jun 23 13:18:53 still didn't get that fixed? Jun 23 13:19:07 DocScrutinizer51: I told you you need to go all apeshit on their asses :) Jun 23 13:19:33 ah you're sending it Jun 23 13:19:37 so you gave it to nokia to repair something and meanwhile they broke the switch? :) Jun 23 13:20:17 tybollt: I didn't want to send it in again as long as no spare. Now I got a spare since 2 days :) Jun 23 13:20:31 Appiah: yep Jun 23 13:21:03 you finally caught the DHL-guy then? Jun 23 13:21:10 yep Jun 23 13:21:41 good stuff Jun 23 13:21:52 sure Jun 23 13:28:11 wow, that was an essay ... :D Jun 23 13:28:54 I hope I don't come acrfoss like too much of a Nokia fanboi ^_^ Jun 23 13:31:09 alterego: eh? Jun 23 13:34:18 DocScrutinizer51 my tmo post Jun 23 13:34:49 With reams of of spelling and gramatical errors. Jun 23 13:40:33 FauxFaux, I love how Apple have has to not only license iPhone from Cisco but not iOS as well :) Jun 23 13:40:36 s/not/now Jun 23 13:40:53 ah Jun 23 13:40:58 so they do license ios? Jun 23 13:41:05 Cisco should start a new division buying up likely Apple trademarks and selling them Jun 23 13:41:14 I was thinking for a bit "how in the HELL can cisco accept the use of iOS?" Jun 23 13:41:16 tybollt, They license the use of both of the names Jun 23 13:41:31 heh Jun 23 13:41:42 apple is more worse than google Jun 23 13:41:45 Linksys owned a Wi-FI phone called iPhone (now Cisco) and IOS is the name of Cisco's OS Jun 23 13:41:53 they changed the privacy policy Jun 23 13:48:49 maybe apple is buying cisco Jun 23 13:49:11 that's a scary scenario Jun 23 13:50:35 I don't see that happening Jun 23 13:50:42 apple is so far a lot of "bubble" monneh Jun 23 13:50:47 cisco is real monneh Jun 23 13:51:01 hum Jun 23 13:51:10 hmm. Jun 23 13:51:30 read apple is all hype Jun 23 13:51:36 zOMG apple!111 Jun 23 13:51:41 anyone have really wobbly ping times to their n900? Jun 23 13:52:13 It's too bad Apple has such great hardware Jun 23 13:53:23 no? Jun 23 13:53:30 damn. i can't get ssh to work well Jun 23 13:53:45 it takes forever to do anything when it's so unstable Jun 23 13:53:56 loosing connection? Jun 23 13:53:56 it's like using the internet on a train Jun 23 13:54:12 using wifi, not losing connection Jun 23 13:54:18 just very glitychy Jun 23 13:54:22 glitchy Jun 23 13:55:00 Minimum = 5ms, Maximum = 1986ms, Average = 211ms Jun 23 13:56:00 :) Jun 23 13:56:10 korhojoa: Check powersaving on your AP. Jun 23 13:56:10 5ms - 1986ms Jun 23 13:57:02 Just wish their software didn't suck so much Jun 23 13:57:23 X-Fade: it doesn't matter which ap i'm using Jun 23 13:57:25 Nokia clearly isn't interested in my continued business Jun 23 13:58:05 X-Fade: it worked fine in the past, then a month or two ago it decided to stop working properly Jun 23 13:58:52 korhojoa: Running PR1.2? Jun 23 13:58:59 X-Fade: yup Jun 23 13:59:08 it was wonky before 1.2 Jun 23 14:07:01 damn my headset stop get detected by my phone Jun 23 14:07:36 i can buy a replacement what find as headset too ? ( i really like the original ) Jun 23 14:08:17 Hi ! Jun 23 14:08:29 e0x, I'm sure you can atleast buy second hand. I haven't used mine, for instance. although possibly they are available otherwise as well.. Jun 23 14:08:31 I see that now ovi store is open to individual developpers Jun 23 14:08:35 a bit late :) Jun 23 14:09:22 surely it's open for all the platforms, not just maemo Jun 23 14:09:23 no need for a vat number finally? Jun 23 14:09:40 so I'm not sure if the "a bit late" comment is warranted Jun 23 14:09:51 nidO, they ask one :) Jun 23 14:10:03 even for individual developpers :) Jun 23 14:10:05 hihi Jun 23 14:10:18 still not really open for individual developers then :p Jun 23 14:10:27 Myrtti, what you mean by warranted ? Jun 23 14:10:34 Khertan: called for Jun 23 14:10:53 bit late for what? Jun 23 14:11:01 bit late as in bloody slow Jun 23 14:11:08 the ovi store's been open, what, over a year? Jun 23 14:11:24 and only just now allowing non-big-businesses to submit apps to it Jun 23 14:11:31 E0x: odds are it's your N900 receptacle and not the headset which causes the detecting issue Jun 23 14:11:37 Myrtti, a bit late as noone anymore on maemo plateform or meego believe anymore on the ovi store :) Jun 23 14:11:38 bloody slow, that I can understand, but late? again, late for what? Jun 23 14:11:48 for not missing the boat Jun 23 14:11:51 DocScrutinizer51: what ? Jun 23 14:11:59 sorry i don't understand Jun 23 14:12:48 Nokia's premier range of devices, the N Series, will bid adieu to the Symbian operating environment and go MeeGo full time after the introduction of the N8 Jun 23 14:12:50 docscrutinizer51, I've found that headsets are infact can easily get damaged. I think I'm using my fourth pair of sony headsets now.. Jun 23 14:12:51 AGAIN Jun 23 14:13:19 DocScrutinizer51: hmm you say the problem is not my headset and is my phone ? Jun 23 14:13:26 i try another headphone and get detected Jun 23 14:13:45 but i don't try another headset Jun 23 14:13:46 docscrutinizer51, ah I suppose you mean that the mechanical switch that should still work in any case.. Jun 23 14:13:56 if headset isn't detected then you should try with arbitrary other headphone/set Jun 23 14:15:06 E0x: well if other headphone is detected then probably the original one is actually broken Jun 23 14:15:18 DocScrutinizer51: that is what i think too Jun 23 14:15:57 hi Jun 23 14:17:33 DocScrutinizer51: a headphone ( just speakers ) is get detected and working just fine Jun 23 14:17:51 maybe i will try find some headset to test it too Jun 23 14:17:56 ( spearks and mic ) Jun 23 14:18:11 test av-cable with TV Jun 23 14:18:22 ok Jun 23 14:19:21 The buttons are just a resistance, right? Jun 23 14:19:24 should get pretty clear bright picture. stable. no shadows or jitter Jun 23 14:19:45 X-Fade: holdbutton hs? Jun 23 14:19:53 DocScrutinizer51: Yes. Jun 23 14:20:03 short mic to gnd Jun 23 14:20:30 DocScrutinizer51: With variable resistance. Jun 23 14:20:33 mic = 3. contact Jun 23 14:20:38 nope Jun 23 14:20:41 Different value for every button. Jun 23 14:20:47 just short Jun 23 14:20:54 There is only one button. Jun 23 14:20:59 I got just one button Jun 23 14:21:09 Not on other headsets made by nokia at least. Jun 23 14:21:18 They had vol up/down too. Jun 23 14:21:26 ♥ telephone calls to mum Jun 23 14:21:28 other phones Jun 23 14:21:30 what was I saying Jun 23 14:22:21 there are probably different methods for multibutton headsets Jun 23 14:22:33 restistance one of them Jun 23 14:23:06 Khertan: Ovi store isn't only for Maemo or Meego, and in relation to the amount of headsets sold using those OS's it's a drip in the ocean, so that might be the reason why the development team of Ovi haven't considered the lifespan of N900 a hard deadline for implementing an arbitrary rule. Jun 23 14:23:25 not that I know of these things, but I can speculate as anyone can Jun 23 14:24:27 X-Fade: a much better method would be slow serial data 'morsed' via mic short to gnd Jun 23 14:24:38 folks i know nokia is slow as hell, but when are the games announced in all the damn vids be available o.O Jun 23 14:24:46 DocScrutinizer51: I've heard that too before. Jun 23 14:24:48 *will Jun 23 14:24:55 what games? Jun 23 14:24:57 what vids? Jun 23 14:25:04 -.- Jun 23 14:25:21 afk Jun 23 14:25:38 X-Fade: particularly far and in a call will hear :-) Jun 23 14:28:13 yeah what games, what vids, what announcements... Jun 23 14:28:24 I didn't think nokia made games anymore :-) Jun 23 14:28:58 Snake Jun 23 14:29:33 Myrtti, do not accept individuals developpers is an arbitrary rules ? Funny Jun 23 14:29:36 is the autobuilder down or something? Xarchiver shouldn't take so long to compile... Jun 23 14:29:37 anyway I asked at Nokia competence center for CA-157 or *any* other OTG cable or adapter. Not available Jun 23 14:30:04 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/android-dual-boot-could-make-nokia-n900-jack-of-two-trades/ is there any affort to this till now Jun 23 14:30:26 NOTHING available Jun 23 14:30:43 Khertan: I'm not claiming it can't be done quickly, the decision, I'm just saying that ... let me check so I don't misquote you Jun 23 14:30:45 I suspect there's little effort on android, and it's probably a huge task Jun 23 14:31:42 DocScrutinizer51: ;( Jun 23 14:31:50 Myrtti, noway do not waste your time ... i ll keep my position :) Jun 23 14:31:56 and must go on :) bye Jun 23 14:32:12 ... Jun 23 14:32:25 yeah. Ovi store was made only for Maemo software. Jun 23 14:32:25 Khertan,Myrtti: OviStore vs AntiOviStore? Jun 23 14:32:30 Myrtti: (((: Jun 23 14:32:32 Appiah: this damn rollercoaster thingy i want to play for testing at least, and it was announced weeeeeeks ago :) Jun 23 14:32:43 the others get boring Jun 23 14:32:45 :D Jun 23 14:32:50 RST38h: I couldn't care less of the bloody Ovi Store, they've got nothing for my old handset. Jun 23 14:33:29 incidentally, they have nothing for my new handset either, but that's not their fault - they are allowed to limit the selection to software for Nokia handsets Jun 23 14:33:57 never heard of ghostcube Jun 23 14:34:05 Myrtti: I would like to point it out that the problem with Ovi Store is not the lack of Maemo support Jun 23 14:34:54 Myrtti: The problem is that they make it so bloody difficult and expensive to publish stuff there that NOBODY except their really really preferred subcontractors will go through the trouble Jun 23 14:35:04 Myrtti: Maemo or Symbian or PC, does not matter Jun 23 14:35:17 ovostore sucks big time Jun 23 14:35:54 RST38h: I'm not denying that, even if I don't have any experience of it myself. Jun 23 14:36:02 Myrtti: If Ovi were the only possible distribution channel, the people would curse Nokia but jump through the loops. Some of them (a few) would even publish Jun 23 14:36:05 looking at tmo, ovi store makes it pretty difficult yto buy apps too Jun 23 14:36:24 impossible Jun 23 14:36:37 Throws weird errors about tmp being filled that mean nothing. Jun 23 14:36:43 there's just no app that's NOT 'free' Jun 23 14:36:48 Myrtti: But the way it is, it is easier for me to just self-sign my Symbian package, and use a CC processing company + website to sell it Jun 23 14:37:07 Myrtti: Or use some third party app store like Handango Jun 23 14:37:17 DocScrutinizer, some level packs for games iirc Jun 23 14:37:36 and sygic maps if you're crazo enough not to buy straight from sygic Jun 23 14:37:42 Myrtti: So, yes, Ovi is probably going down the drain, pretty soon, as soon as the current app store craze passes over. Jun 23 14:38:06 ShadowJK: nope. sygic is 'free' Jun 23 14:39:02 RST38h: what I'm saying is that "ovi store is finally open for individual developers, *a bit late* [...] *for Maemo or Meego*" is a valid opinion, and I probably agree with it, but I don't think that the developers of Ovi Store made it "possible" for individual developers to put their software in the bloody thing because it was something Maemo community demanded, Ovi store wasn't made for only Maemo products. Jun 23 14:39:14 i guess it's a demo Jun 23 14:39:18 last time I checked. Thought fsckU I know it costs $ and wanna know how much, not dl free test version to earn oops it's a teaser Jun 23 14:39:21 anyway I'm not sure if I can ... hold on, lost a word Jun 23 14:39:44 Learn Jun 23 14:40:02 anyway I'm not sure I can communicate what I'm trying to too well, so I'll just continue on doing my own stuff and you go back doing whatever you were doing Jun 23 14:40:03 Ovi just inherited the hobbyist-hostility of symbian :-) Jun 23 14:40:33 ShadowJK: yup Jun 23 14:41:14 good thing we can get applications from other places then OVI then Jun 23 14:42:57 Myrtti: Ah of course not, who the hell cares about Maemo community "demands"? Jun 23 14:43:59 Myrtti: I guess it is just starting to become evident to the Ovi people that they are doing something majorly wrong. So, they are trying to change the course of the ship Jun 23 14:44:15 RST38h: yup, and as we all know, big ships turn slow Jun 23 14:44:34 Myrtti: Yea, my bet is that they are gonna hit the iceberg. Jun 23 14:45:05 RST38h: out of worry for my countrymen, I hope not. Jun 23 14:46:39 does a sundial require a circle to represent a half-day? Jun 23 14:46:55 or can one make a 24-hour sundial Jun 23 14:47:49 luke-jr: ?? o.O Jun 23 14:48:16 if one can find a place that's sunny 24 hours a day, yet still has the sun rising and setting, im sure one could Jun 23 14:48:21 DocScrutinizer51: I'm switching to tonal time Jun 23 14:48:31 luke-jr: on the poles you probably can make a 24h sundial Jun 23 14:48:46 I don't need it to work the whole day, just be accurate when the sun is up :) Jun 23 14:49:07 luke-jr: you'll need that to talk to the pinguins Jun 23 14:49:12 you people should stop eating the funny mushrooms Jun 23 14:49:22 srsly Jun 23 14:49:55 Myrtti: It will only hit a tiny percentage of your countrymen and you can always write it off to natural selection =) Jun 23 14:50:25 * RST38h passes Myrtti a toadstool Jun 23 14:51:13 yes you can have 24hr sundial Jun 23 14:51:32 but it'll only work north of arctic circle, in the summer Jun 23 14:51:47 ShadowJK: c'mon that's not been a serious question Jun 23 14:51:48 freaking crap !!!! The live stream on fifa.com doesnt freaking work!!!! "Internet device" my ass .... I need to follow this game jerks !!!! Jun 23 14:51:49 !ops Jun 23 14:52:09 Myrtti: tonal ftw Jun 23 14:52:35 KHUY: lolwhat Jun 23 14:52:44 luke-jr: huh? Jun 23 14:52:44 D I S A P P O I T M E N T Jun 23 14:52:52 oh, him Jun 23 14:53:11 isuck: blame fifa.com Jun 23 14:53:24 spell chekcer Jun 23 14:53:36 :-> Jun 23 14:54:06 didn't anybody slap that troll down yet? Jun 23 14:54:07 I'm away from gome today and I was hoping to follow the game on this "internet device" N900....but no it doesnt freaking support it.... god dam!!! Jun 23 14:54:57 isuck: here, let me give you a handkerchief *TRRRLLÖÖÖT* Jun 23 14:55:17 so much for full inernet experience - what a joke Jun 23 14:55:46 isuck: so get another device that fulfills your expectations and have a happy life. Jun 23 14:56:34 * Bactius agree with Myrtti Jun 23 14:56:52 my buddy with android is laughing at me and my brick right now Jun 23 14:57:01 isuck: takeit. bastards pushing activex applets to stream video on ms explorer ONLY are the ones to shoot down. Get a winmoob device and stop boring us Jun 23 14:57:22 isuck: he's not the only one laughing at you Jun 23 14:57:57 but i'm not talking about live video....but freaking text play by play !!!!! Jun 23 14:58:06 text only !!!!! Jun 23 14:58:40 you would think i could follow text on n900 no? Jun 23 14:58:47 isuck: give you n900 to the charity and buy another phone Jun 23 14:59:01 text only no problem. you are talking about live feed function... Jun 23 14:59:15 is that all you can say EOx ? Jun 23 14:59:22 yes Jun 23 14:59:41 a simple freaking live text feed .... but no...it dont work Jun 23 14:59:45 isuck: maybe you should whine to idiots who made text-only site requiring flash 10 Jun 23 14:59:47 isuck: you would think somebody buying a N900 would know enough to undertand implications of proprietary formats Jun 23 14:59:47 isuck: what do you expect US to do to the fact that it doesn't work? Jun 23 15:00:06 lol this is a live text feed as well Jun 23 15:00:06 isuck: here, let me cry you a river. Jun 23 15:00:12 is there any hacks or work arounds for this problem? Jun 23 15:00:26 share the link and explain the problem Jun 23 15:00:28 no wait, I'll let Justin Timberlake to do it Jun 23 15:00:31 lets see if it is Jun 23 15:00:58 meh, I left for an hour or so and you're still talking about flash 10 Jun 23 15:01:08 nope Jun 23 15:01:11 Myrtti: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 Jun 23 15:01:12 * MohammadAG misses his i5 Jun 23 15:01:17 just this minute Jun 23 15:01:35 and believe me not for long :-( Jun 23 15:01:41 luke-jr: what about tonal system? I couldn't care less about it Jun 23 15:01:43 * MohammadAG checks buffer Jun 23 15:01:52 here....one second.....look: try this shit on your n900s : Jun 23 15:01:55 http://www.fifa.com/live/competitions/worldcup/matchday=13/day=1/match=300061461/index.html Jun 23 15:02:02 Myrtti: fail Jun 23 15:02:02 dont fucken work !! Jun 23 15:02:05 http://www.fifa.com/live/competitions/worldcup/matchday=13/day=1/match=300061461/index.html Jun 23 15:02:14 http://i.imgur.com/4BR69.jpg Jun 23 15:02:28 did you dudes click ? Jun 23 15:02:36 isuck, wheres the text stream? Jun 23 15:03:11 click on da linky mate Jun 23 15:03:17 and does that huuuuuuuge flash work on any mobile device? Jun 23 15:03:26 thats not text - thats a big flash thing Jun 23 15:03:31 cant play it on my laptop Jun 23 15:03:42 Die EX Jun 23 15:03:49 press-installation Jun 23 15:03:49 http://i.imgur.com/YRfC7.jpg Jun 23 15:03:54 lcuk: i smell bullcrap Jun 23 15:04:04 wird unter doiesem Betriebssystem nicht untestuetzt Jun 23 15:04:09 not really isuck im watching game on my n900 now btw on bbc iplayer Jun 23 15:04:17 FUCKIT and that's my LAPTOP Jun 23 15:04:18 england are plaing well Jun 23 15:04:20 KHUY: that's enough Jun 23 15:04:23 so isuck STFU Jun 23 15:04:36 http://i.imgur.com/BwjB4.jpg Jun 23 15:04:41 isuck, so meh Jun 23 15:04:45 do u like my drawings?? Jun 23 15:05:09 KHUY: no, stop it Jun 23 15:05:15 y Jun 23 15:05:24 KHUY: post one more, and you'll be quieted Jun 23 15:05:42 i.imgur.com/foain.jpg Jun 23 15:05:43 KHUY, those are cool, what did you draw em in Jun 23 15:05:46 crashanddie: pay one, take 2 Jun 23 15:05:47 or are they actual sketches? Jun 23 15:05:51 lcuk: yes Jun 23 15:05:58 my teacher didnt like them Jun 23 15:06:09 he's homosexual retard Jun 23 15:06:21 where do i download iplayer? Jun 23 15:06:37 isuck, i dunno i just go onto the bbc website and it works Jun 23 15:06:39 on iShop? Jun 23 15:06:45 KHUY, how old are you... Jun 23 15:06:57 15 Jun 23 15:07:04 and the games work on n900? Jun 23 15:07:04 god, i fucking hate gays Jun 23 15:07:07 they are so stupid Jun 23 15:07:12 and.. Jun 23 15:07:14 gay xD Jun 23 15:07:19 you'ra gay Jun 23 15:07:21 its playin a bit more sluggish than usual iplayer streams, i think this england match is really overloading it Jun 23 15:07:30 isuck, yes im listening and watching now Jun 23 15:07:37 mirf; no Jun 23 15:07:46 we'll see ;) Jun 23 15:07:54 * lcuk uses his n900 stand for its proper purpose Jun 23 15:08:14 it omes with a stand lcuk ? Jun 23 15:08:22 lcuk: I doubt that iplayer works in Brampton, ON, Canada. Jun 23 15:08:36 Myrtti, thats not my problem really Jun 23 15:08:42 lcuk: true :-) Jun 23 15:08:56 mirf, theres a kickstand on device and ive got another stand also Jun 23 15:09:08 Soccer's for socialists anyway Jun 23 15:09:11 * lcuk is watching england match on n900 and happy :) Jun 23 15:09:30 * DocScrutinizer turns laptop to portrait mode, to better cope with all the one word lines, and all the noise Jun 23 15:09:32 crashanddie, that ^ saved you the trouble of kicking him Jun 23 15:09:34 meh. Now the Justin Timberlake earwormed on me Jun 23 15:09:50 wicked! Jun 23 15:09:59 mine comes in the post tomorrow Jun 23 15:10:07 too bad I@m at work... gonna be sooo distracted Jun 23 15:10:37 * mgedmin tried using an external LCD in portrait mode, but subpixel rendering gets all whacked out making text unpleasant to read :/ Jun 23 15:10:45 fine khuy is gone Jun 23 15:10:55 mgedmin, on MS windows you can choose the orientation Jun 23 15:11:05 yeah, I tried that Jun 23 15:11:06 shockingly its quite well thought out Jun 23 15:11:18 it just looks wrong with vertical subpixels Jun 23 15:11:42 and on Linux you can't have different subpixel order on different monitors Jun 23 15:11:49 mgedmin, theres a subpixel cleartype config utility Jun 23 15:11:58 to let you choose the orientation it uses, not just a single tickbox Jun 23 15:12:00 http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/step1.aspx Jun 23 15:13:13 funny how running geoip on a troll that has foolishly let their IP to be visible always shuts them up Jun 23 15:13:24 * Myrtti whistles Jun 23 15:13:34 Myrtti, i think it was more about actually having nothing to rant about Jun 23 15:13:54 since his main point was "i cant watch football" and we all sat here watching football Jun 23 15:14:01 lcuk: you'd be amazed how many times I've done that exact thing with the exact same result though Jun 23 15:18:03 lcuk: LOL Jun 23 15:18:04 anyone mind helping me figure out a problem on the n800? Jun 23 15:18:19 Myrtti: ack Jun 23 15:18:54 Turks: everybody watching the games Jun 23 15:19:04 :D Jun 23 15:19:08 shh :p Jun 23 15:19:17 you arent ;) Jun 23 15:19:24 oh, i am Jun 23 15:19:29 actually I do Jun 23 15:19:31 i just dont know how many others are Jun 23 15:19:40 Myrtti: this has been documented before: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ Jun 23 15:19:44 * mgedmin is trying to remember what an n800 looks like ..... remembered Jun 23 15:20:21 and GAN900 will start a live twitter on this chan in a moment :-P Jun 23 15:20:24 remove anonymity, shuts them up Jun 23 15:20:45 DocScrutinizer51, hes scary once he starts Jun 23 15:21:13 im just trying to get regular messaging with the accounts application, theyre listed as if i can add them, but they never show up in the accounts list Jun 23 15:21:43 lcuk: I know :-D Jun 23 15:21:52 flailingmonkey: indeed Jun 23 15:22:10 Turks, personally unsure others will know Jun 23 15:22:38 oooh fsck Jun 23 15:23:00 its just annoying. pidgin sucks on maemo 4 (?) Jun 23 15:48:39 quiet here all of a sudden Jun 23 15:49:38 wow, Nokia will actually have more than one M***o device at a time? apparently after current N8 release all N-series are going to run MeeGo Jun 23 15:50:02 hmm. us+uk Jun 23 15:50:05 N8 is not maemo though, so with is the other one? Jun 23 15:50:10 which* Jun 23 15:50:24 ah Jun 23 15:50:27 never mind (: Jun 23 15:50:33 *** Jun 23 15:50:35 (: Jun 23 15:51:02 * eitama covers face and hides Jun 23 15:51:14 it's not like they are going to refresh the N8 after a month. So the 'more than one at a time' will be good for early 2012 at best Jun 23 15:51:21 N8 is to be last N-series that isn't MeeGo (they don't clarify Harmattan vs. meego.com, but w/e) Jun 23 15:52:02 they are going to call it meego, they just haven't decided if it's going to be based on meega, derived from meego, inspired by meego or what... Jun 23 15:52:38 actually I had expected to see a N8 alike for next magoo device Jun 23 15:53:01 n8 is below min meego specs... arm11 and all Jun 23 15:53:13 (offical ones, anyway) Jun 23 15:53:16 achipa: its just an indication of how MeeGo figures into their plans. Maemo was always something that got a single device at a time, and now it will basically be the differentiator for the whole N series Jun 23 15:53:34 uh? Jun 23 15:53:50 holy cow, US? Jun 23 15:53:51 arm11 isn't good enough now? Jun 23 15:54:09 someone on #symbian mentioned that maemo's UI is very touchscreen-centric, i.e. there's no way to run it on an e63/blackberry like device Jun 23 15:54:21 sure the amoled is subpar wrt res Jun 23 15:54:29 DocScrutinizer: AFAIK it's ARMv7 for the official builds Jun 23 15:54:54 you can of course roll your own like Carsten and the hw adaptation project Jun 23 15:55:06 btw does anyone know if it's possible to use all 3 n900 radios at the same time? i.e. GSM voice, 3g, and wifi. (I guess bluetooth doesn't count) Jun 23 15:55:29 if you have 3g, why gsm? Jun 23 15:55:35 3g can have simultaneous voice + data Jun 23 15:55:39 oh ok Jun 23 15:55:49 we are hools we're o'right... Jun 23 15:55:50 solrize: well, no non-touchscreen Nseries in sight, so... Jun 23 15:55:51 the idea is you're using the net connection while someone calls you on the phone Jun 23 15:56:03 for what reason do I want 3G if wifi is available? Jun 23 15:56:07 solrize: you can have data and calls at the same time Jun 23 15:56:12 solrize: if your terminal supports it Jun 23 15:56:20 chem|st, joikuspot? Jun 23 15:56:20 solrize: most of high end nokia phones do Jun 23 15:56:23 chemist your wifi may not be connected to the internet Jun 23 15:56:23 chem|st: tethering ? Jun 23 15:56:25 i.e. share your 3g with friends Jun 23 15:56:28 mgedmin: gsm can as well Jun 23 15:56:33 ah the other way round Jun 23 15:56:54 well for that case Jun 23 15:57:00 DocScrutinizer: AFAIK witk GSM+GPRS/EDGE it's either voice or data, but not both at the same time Jun 23 15:57:10 nope Jun 23 15:57:24 [citation needed] Jun 23 15:57:33 thats the whole benefit of 3G, simultaneous voice+data connections Jun 23 15:57:36 mgedmin: voice and data is the same in case of voip Jun 23 15:57:42 N900 Lq/2 tech specs Jun 23 15:57:44 mgedmin, yes. Jun 23 15:57:47 VoIP is cheating ;) Jun 23 15:57:54 L1/2 Jun 23 15:57:57 mgedmin: no SIP is cheating Jun 23 15:57:57 but if you are stuck on GPRS or EDGE, you can only have voice OR data Jun 23 15:58:05 flailingmonkey, well, that, faster speeds and more battery sales. ;) Jun 23 15:58:36 flailingmonkey: nope Jun 23 15:58:54 * chem|st managed to have a clear conversation over EDGE while browsing... and voip isnt cheating Jun 23 15:59:18 that's what she said Jun 23 15:59:21 N900 can do EDGE + call Jun 23 15:59:51 DocScrutinizer51: I would be very interested in that, as I am using AT&T so no 3G at all Jun 23 15:59:56 see L1/2 RF tech spec Jun 23 16:00:20 maybe L3/4 Jun 23 16:00:38 okay, wikipedia tells me GPRS Class A devices _can_ be connectet to GPRS and GSM and use both at the same time Jun 23 16:00:42 it's mentioned as a feature Jun 23 16:00:56 I assume class B phones are just more popular Jun 23 16:01:12 how would I go about doing that then? Jun 23 16:01:21 As I understand it, you need two radios for GPRS+GSM Jun 23 16:01:24 mgedmin: my sony 880 did do it and thats a cheap bitch Jun 23 16:01:40 SpeedEvil: why? Jun 23 16:01:54 esp for GSM TDMA Jun 23 16:02:13 I may be wrong Jun 23 16:02:14 you can use one TX/RX for multiple slots Jun 23 16:02:19 I haven't read it closely Jun 23 16:03:04 so is the GPRS data connection indicator misleading when I send/get texts or make calls? Jun 23 16:03:14 aiui the phone *and* the network has to support/allow it Jun 23 16:03:58 informative: http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?s=aa9ee89f023e730bbedd385c2ffacf4c&p=555390&postcount=123 Jun 23 16:05:23 flailingmonkey: in which way? Jun 23 16:07:25 it shows an icon with a strike through the symbol, and some apps show a message that the data connection is interrupted (or something like that) Jun 23 16:08:14 btw, if they did put meego on a arm11 chipset, they could actually put meego on the N97 :-p Jun 23 16:08:28 hmm, never seen that. Anyway this feature needs support from carrier side as well Jun 23 16:09:30 yeah. sorry I frequently get confused with this insane arm numbering Jun 23 16:09:41 worse than intel Jun 23 16:17:30 DocScrutinizer51, I think it's better than Intel at least Jun 23 16:17:34 It mostly goes in order Jun 23 16:18:01 alphabetic? Jun 23 16:18:13 11<8 Jun 23 16:18:46 then theres the Cortex stuff, A8 Jun 23 16:18:49 Well, use the full name. :P Jun 23 16:18:59 Cortex A8, ARM11 Jun 23 16:19:10 gnah Jun 23 16:19:16 yes Jun 23 16:19:20 ah, but Jun 23 16:19:33 cortex-a8 is based on ARMv7 Jun 23 16:20:04 Core, Core 2, Core i*, Pentium 4, Pentium, etc. Jun 23 16:20:08 OH Jun 23 16:20:11 ok Jun 23 16:20:24 * crashanddie giggles as he plays little big planet Jun 23 16:20:27 flailingmonkey, it's not based on armv7, it uses the armv7 instruction set Jun 23 16:20:30 ARM11 chips, are based on ARMv6 architecture Jun 23 16:20:47 how not-confusing-at-all Jun 23 16:20:56 and don't capitalizae the instruction set Jun 23 16:21:02 makes it less confusing Jun 23 16:21:36 just using what is in the big table on wikipedia Jun 23 16:23:16 ooo, Cortex-A9 gets out-of-order speculative issue superscalar Jun 23 16:32:30 A9 is nice Jun 23 16:32:38 I'd love an A9 in a mobile device Jun 23 16:33:42 hi... I'm having problems with skype on my N900 - am I supposed to be able to do video calls on skype? Jun 23 16:33:44 apparently Tegra 2 is based on A9 Jun 23 16:33:55 hume: yes Jun 23 16:34:06 how? Jun 23 16:34:20 I look forward to having ARM laptop Jun 23 16:34:27 hume: when you have a contact of skype that have video settings enable Jun 23 16:34:38 they will show you a video call option Jun 23 16:35:06 your contact need have video options/settings enable Jun 23 16:35:09 in they side Jun 23 16:35:26 ok...let me check, change computer and be back Jun 23 16:38:02 mhm, nightmode is a bit strange. fixed focus Jun 23 16:38:28 SpeedEvil: did you ota upgrade? Jun 23 16:38:32 when i hear about nightmode i think that was a mode that enable Jun 23 16:38:34 flash led Jun 23 16:38:56 is ok how is but i don't like the frame rate drp Jun 23 16:38:59 drop* Jun 23 16:39:14 ( i am mean video recording ) Jun 23 16:39:17 hi again... where on the N900 is that video option to be found? Jun 23 16:39:22 in Skype Jun 23 16:39:23 the framerate drop is the whole trick Jun 23 16:39:37 hume: select you contact Jun 23 16:39:45 and will have skype video option Jun 23 16:40:25 I only have Skype call.. no Skype video call. is there another option somewhere? Jun 23 16:41:11 I actually did *two* uprades in series now, it seems. To 1.1.1 then to 1.2 Jun 23 16:42:33 now just need to revisit wiki about how to nuke that infamous pending SMS Jun 23 16:42:45 ah, yeah you would need 1.1.1 first Jun 23 16:43:05 hume: i am out to lunch righ now when i get back i will show you a screenshot Jun 23 16:43:07 btw, dell selling N900s for $370 Jun 23 16:43:14 bbl Jun 23 16:43:28 ok, thx Jun 23 16:43:33 WHAT? Jun 23 16:44:01 ok the EUR isn't what it used to be Jun 23 16:44:21 but still Jun 23 16:45:58 Ha Jun 23 16:46:05 http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Unlocked-version-of-the-Nokia-N900-is-priced-at-369.99---no-contract-required-article-a_12116.html Jun 23 16:46:19 DocScrutinizer51, if you didn't hand all of your money over to the government, you wouldn't have to pay so much. :P Jun 23 16:46:50 hhm yep Jun 23 16:48:28 Sales tax isn't included in the price, either Jun 23 16:49:03 So depending on your state and local laws, local tax rates and who you're doing business with, you may have to pay between 5 and 10% tax. Jun 23 16:49:52 N900 has no case??? Jun 23 16:49:57 20 Jun 23 16:49:59 or I just didn't get one? XD Jun 23 16:50:35 no case for N900 Jun 23 16:50:40 also no spare stylus Jun 23 16:50:46 I was kinda bummed about that Jun 23 16:50:53 hume: I recall reading somewhere that it only works with the latest version of Skype Jun 23 16:50:57 369.99, wow, a big reduction, n9 must be on its way ;) Jun 23 16:51:00 but the exquisite joy of holding a N900 in my hands overwhelmed that bum Jun 23 16:51:23 solrize, not before October. Jun 23 16:51:55 GAN900, heh, that probably means not before 2011 ;) Jun 23 16:52:05 wow, newegg has it for 420 Jun 23 16:52:09 luke-jr, latest on the N900 or the callers version? Jun 23 16:52:23 hume: both Jun 23 16:52:30 PR 1.2 for N900 Jun 23 16:53:00 i control version python on my n900, it is 2.5, are there update version? Jun 23 16:53:22 DocScrutinizer51, for me here in Florida, it's 7% on any sale that's not non-prepared food, a bible, or a variety of other exempt items if you're buying in-state or mailorder through a company that's incorporated in the state of Florida. Jun 23 16:53:35 lol Jun 23 16:53:42 they make an exception for a Bible specifically? Jun 23 16:54:14 luke-jr, how do I update to latest on the N900? program manager says nothing about availbale updates, at least not skype-related Jun 23 16:54:30 hume: grab the firmware image, flasher, and reinstall over USB? Jun 23 16:55:14 luke-jr, uhg... is there a page with good instructions on how to NOT lose all my settings and programs? haven't done that on the N900 before Jun 23 16:55:22 no idea Jun 23 16:55:47 hume, maemo wiki has something Jun 23 16:56:01 hume, I prefer over-the-air updates; less hassle Jun 23 16:56:14 mgedmin, over-the-air? Jun 23 16:56:18 hume, if you're not offered an OS upgrade in the app installer, maybe you already have the latest firmware? Jun 23 16:56:22 Hey all Jun 23 16:56:50 hume, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Jun 23 16:56:51 mgedmin, i udated through the app installer (program manager) a few weeks ago....? Jun 23 16:57:24 hume, control panel -> about device will show you the version (or osso-product-info in xterm) Jun 23 16:57:25 mgedmin, hows tricks Jun 23 16:57:48 (it's Settings and About product, actually) Jun 23 16:58:02 latest is version 10.2010.19-1 Jun 23 16:58:23 incidentally, skype video didn't work for me when I tried it Jun 23 16:58:56 luke-jr, yeah, dating from the height of the cold war. Jun 23 16:59:10 I have Eyes widget but it's fixed on the left upper corner of the screen and I can't move it, how can I move to another position? I have the maemo PR1.2 Jun 23 16:59:27 mgedmin, so, I have the latest Jun 23 17:00:17 MOUD, you can drag it around when in "desktop maintenance" mode (what is it called officially? anyway), it's just very difficult to grab it since it's so small Jun 23 17:00:27 the stylus helps somewhat Jun 23 17:01:04 mgedmin: I used it before but after the maemo update it won't move Jun 23 17:01:42 you're right! Jun 23 17:01:44 another question: I have problems with synchronizing google calendar. Using the exchange server sync stuff. It works for a while, and the syncs starts to fail. And I have to empty the calendar on the N900 and start all over again. Anyone got advice on how to solve this? Jun 23 17:02:09 MOUD, no, it moves all right Jun 23 17:02:14 just managed it Jun 23 17:02:21 somehow Jun 23 17:02:50 mgedmin: strange. I will reinstall it Jun 23 17:05:13 maemo repository extra devel: what is address? Jun 23 17:05:47 klio everything you need is on the page: http://repository.maemo.org/ Jun 23 17:06:01 thx Jun 23 17:07:13 lcuk: thx Jun 23 17:09:17 aww, there's no way to see if a phone number exists in your Maemo contacts is there? Jun 23 17:09:36 moo all Jun 23 17:09:42 * deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free Jun 23 17:09:44 * deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free Jun 23 17:09:45 hume: afaik using the built-in Mail for Exchange with google isn't a supported feature. it may/may not work, but it would need changes to accomidate the changes google made Jun 23 17:10:05 i must paste all Jun 23 17:10:19 or i can put only one Jun 23 17:10:21 DocScrutinizer: yes - 1.0->1.1->1.1.1->1.2 Jun 23 17:10:24 someone was working on a syncing solution for google calenders and more, Erming-NG Jun 23 17:10:30 flailingmonkey, call your phone from said number? :P Jun 23 17:11:37 any way to get N900 to prefer SIP for calls, rather than Cellular? Jun 23 17:13:01 nobody? :( Jun 23 17:14:52 Moo, GAN900, seen the news about N-series? :) Jun 23 17:15:35 RST38h, all MeeGo (sometime in 2013)? Jun 23 17:21:12 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free error not found Jun 23 17:21:23 RST38h: ? Jun 23 17:21:30 error 404 Jun 23 17:23:08 Ovi Maps looks real flickery if I remain stationary XD Jun 23 17:24:33 how i can control firmware? Jun 23 17:24:56 ... Jun 23 17:25:01 control what? Jun 23 17:25:12 It's just like how you can shot web. Jun 23 17:25:23 firmware PR 1.2: Jun 23 17:25:29 how can i* Jun 23 17:25:37 Klio: you can't Jun 23 17:25:40 what are you talking about? Jun 23 17:26:04 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ not found Jun 23 17:26:34 and that's related to controlling of firmware how? and what are you meaning by control? Jun 23 17:26:49 maybe install Jun 23 17:27:14 i want add repository extra Jun 23 17:27:26 but i have error Jun 23 17:28:02 Mymo, maybe? maybe not Jun 23 17:28:39 lol maybe Jun 23 17:30:40 so does n900 has voice command thingy? like when u want to call someone and say his name and the phone dial the number Jun 23 17:33:48 no Jun 23 17:33:58 Feel free to implement one, though. Jun 23 17:35:15 GAN: No, some big corpse said that N8 is the last N-series device with Symbian Jun 23 17:35:24 believe me if I know how, I would be working on it right now Jun 23 17:36:13 GAN: I guess he is in the dungeon now, being whacked with Symbian app development specification printouts Jun 23 17:45:44 RST38h: so does that mean maemo is going go take center stage? Jun 23 17:45:49 :) Jun 23 17:46:51 or whatever they are going to call it? Jun 23 17:46:55 meefail Jun 23 17:50:10 Macer: No, it just means the maemo camp is trying another frontal attack Jun 23 18:04:17 anyone alive now? Jun 23 18:04:26 they've got their faces painted black, orange and gray Jun 23 18:04:39 that sucks Jun 23 18:05:55 http://www.chemistry-blog.com/2010/06/22/something-deeply-wrong-with-chemistry/# Jun 23 18:06:00 lovely Jun 23 18:08:04 Hello out there, you crazy cats, would someone like to talk about money with me? Jun 23 18:09:03 *crickets* Jun 23 18:09:50 im just going to start talking in the hope that someone might respond to me.. Jun 23 18:10:08 kojacker, sure, you want my paypal so you can send me samples so i can investigate what you mean Jun 23 18:10:24 you may be aware of the Maemo coding competition - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53112 - we have $423 pledged as a bounty Jun 23 18:10:34 no free samples! Jun 23 18:10:50 thats ok, are you who i asked about where to pay the money to Jun 23 18:10:53 what i need is ideas how to split that bounty up into prizes for winners Jun 23 18:11:22 * lcuk pledged $50 Jun 23 18:11:31 could be, at the moment we're still waiting and hoping their might be a maemo paypal account coming along.. it's a bit quiet on that front Jun 23 18:11:38 but was told there was noone organised to take it Jun 23 18:11:57 * lcuk then got back on with work Jun 23 18:11:57 i'l be very pleased to take it off your hands soon :P Jun 23 18:12:15 RST38h, yeah, that's what I meant (insert "Nseries" . . . ) Jun 23 18:12:20 well you will have to get behind other people :p ive been on holiday since you declined Jun 23 18:12:41 declined? hmm? Jun 23 18:13:05 anyway.. what Im asking is what would be the best way to split up any winnings. Jun 23 18:13:07 translation: you have $373 Jun 23 18:13:11 Neither particularly surprising or very meaningful except in the short term. Jun 23 18:13:40 kojacker: split it ?but how much winner are ? Jun 23 18:13:43 3 ? Jun 23 18:13:50 ok, consider yourself removed from the bounty list lcuk. I'd still appreciate your opinion on this though Jun 23 18:14:02 i didnt mean that! Jun 23 18:14:14 * lcuk will honour his pledge Jun 23 18:14:16 we started with 6 categories, which in hindsight is quite a lot Jun 23 18:14:55 if we had 1st 2nd and 3rd prizes, then that'd be 3*6=18.. it kinda cuts into the pot a lot and everyone would get little Jun 23 18:15:00 thanks lcuk! Jun 23 18:15:10 kojacker, once you sort out where it needs to go, drop me a PM or mail and ill happily push it to it Jun 23 18:15:11 423/6 = 70 Jun 23 18:15:15 i was thinking a top 10 or something like that? Jun 23 18:15:22 divide the price just for the best of eatch categorie Jun 23 18:15:25 kojacker: 70% to 1st, 20% to 2nd, 10% to 3rd ? Jun 23 18:15:51 that means $49 to each 1st place right now Jun 23 18:15:52 the best of each category is already getting a trip to dublin, flight and accom paid by Nokia.. or a n900 if they prefer Jun 23 18:16:05 $14 to 2nd, $7 to 3rd Jun 23 18:16:05 oh Jun 23 18:16:21 so maybe we could spread the bounty out a bit more to everyone else Jun 23 18:16:25 kojacker: does Nokia get the passport for us too? :P Jun 23 18:16:32 the best of eatch categories dont get money price from the 423$ ? Jun 23 18:16:54 luke-jr, they may be able to squeeze you into a cardboard box with a n900 shipment :P Jun 23 18:17:05 just price the 1st and 2nd place Jun 23 18:17:11 kojacker: how about 1/4 to 2nd, 1/4 of remaining to 3rd, and so on? Jun 23 18:17:36 these are all good ideas, appreciate the suggestions :) Jun 23 18:18:11 i was thinking maybe taking the top 3 of each category, and putting those 18 towards a vote for the top 10.. and splitting it out that way.. Jun 23 18:18:22 $17, $13, $10, $7, $5, $4, $3, $2, $2, $1, $1, $1, $1 Jun 23 18:18:25 kojacker: better Jun 23 18:18:38 hmm Jun 23 18:18:47 $1 is probably cost more in paypal fees than what the recipient gets :) Jun 23 18:18:51 :) Jun 23 18:19:01 kinda a token prize Jun 23 18:19:02 so maybe 50% each place Jun 23 18:19:27 $35, $17, $9, $4, $2, $1, $1 Jun 23 18:19:33 kojacker: btw they have already the winners ? Jun 23 18:19:39 and/or if it's < $5, they don't get it? XD Jun 23 18:19:59 lol i would be lynched if they dont get it :) Jun 23 18:20:03 why not give no $ to Jun 23 18:20:07 1st place? Jun 23 18:20:20 E0x, nope no winners yet. It goes on until July 21st... feel free to join! Jun 23 18:20:26 when 50% drops under $5, the remaining goes to "best of the top 6"? Jun 23 18:20:34 lol, first place winners don't need cash, if they really want some they can sell the N900 from Nokia Jun 23 18:20:43 hehe Jun 23 18:20:52 kojacker: ok , i think just price the 1st place of eatch categorie Jun 23 18:21:01 then just give money to 2nd and 3rd place winners Jun 23 18:21:08 flailingmonkey, there's one trip (ie 1 person) for each 1st place.. im thinking if there's a team that wins then we'd need a bit of bounty to split up there Jun 23 18:21:11 that would be $57 to the best of all, then to each 2nd place $35, 3rd=$17,4th=$9 Jun 23 18:21:14 since they don't get anything else Jun 23 18:21:54 dam.. my maths sucks Jun 23 18:22:08 lol Jun 23 18:22:36 kojacker: basically, first split the $423 / 6 ways = $70.5 Jun 23 18:22:48 then each 2nd place gets 50% of that = $35 Jun 23 18:22:51 (rounded down) Jun 23 18:22:56 maybe put some news about it in the maemo.org home page to get more founding Jun 23 18:23:01 from the ppl Jun 23 18:23:12 that leaves $36 remaining per category Jun 23 18:23:17 mhm, a summary of entered apps, with descriptions too Jun 23 18:23:35 3rd place gets 50% of that = $17 Jun 23 18:23:45 leaving $19 Jun 23 18:23:56 4th place gets 50% of that = $9 Jun 23 18:23:59 leaving $10 Jun 23 18:24:09 which half of is only $5, so the prizes end Jun 23 18:24:27 $5 * 6 categories = $30 remaining Jun 23 18:24:41 which goes to a new round of competition: best of the 6 winners Jun 23 18:24:57 I think I messed up the math somewhere in there tho-- the last # *was* $57 when I calculated it before Jun 23 18:24:59 <.< Jun 23 18:25:20 ah, it's because remaining was $9 each category Jun 23 18:25:21 :) Jun 23 18:26:09 flailingmonkey, it's not quite what you're after but you can see some of the apps on the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 Jun 23 18:26:26 luke-jr, i have no idea what you wrote but it looks good to me lol Jun 23 18:26:30 >_< Jun 23 18:27:17 so from the start, are you including 1st place shares in your calcs Jun 23 18:27:32 you start off with the 423 then divide by 6, and take 50% for the 2nd places.. Jun 23 18:27:35 kojacker: then put a link to that page in a blog post that goes on planet, or a new talk thread Jun 23 18:27:36 I suggest there is only one rational way round this. Jun 23 18:27:46 A prize to create a system for awarding prizes. Jun 23 18:28:03 SpeedEvil: it would win 1st place Jun 23 18:28:06 kojacker: no, 1st place per category gets nothing with this system Jun 23 18:28:10 SpeedEvil, I will award a virtual cookie Jun 23 18:28:11 only 1st place overall Jun 23 18:28:17 ah ok Jun 23 18:28:42 but you could start with 1st instead of 2nd too Jun 23 18:28:49 flailingmonkey, there's a link to the wiki on the development thread sticky Jun 23 18:29:08 so it'd be 1st=$35, 2nd=$17, 3rd=$9 Jun 23 18:29:20 $9 looks crummy though Jun 23 18:29:20 and then 1st-overall=$57 (more) Jun 23 18:29:29 so increase the bounty ;P Jun 23 18:30:01 after booting meego on my N900 I only see a black screen! Jun 23 18:30:07 i already got $50 and 3 lazer cut stands in the bounty :P Im just a poor man, my back is old and bent, my legs are red and ... bent Jun 23 18:32:08 Are the laser cut stands also bent? Jun 23 18:32:26 hopefully not, if i package them well enough Jun 23 18:33:03 Ok... I just read something I cannot belive just yet... N900's USB port is USBotg capable? True? Jun 23 18:33:42 so is anyone here entering the competition? Everyone welcome, beginners, punks, crazies, the hamish Jun 23 18:34:00 Zucca: no Jun 23 18:34:18 Zucca: It may be able to be switched into host mode - there is a project underway to get this working. Jun 23 18:35:37 SpeedEvil: Ok. Does this mean that it cannot provide power to it's "slaves"? Jun 23 18:36:16 Yes, it can provide power. Jun 23 18:36:32 Ok. What's the difference then to USBotg? Jun 23 18:36:33 But it can't be OTG - OTG is to hostmode as pizza is to cheese Jun 23 18:37:54 vegetarian pizza can have no cheese.. xD Jun 23 18:38:07 Meaning what? You need set the port to host mode before inserting device? It cannot regonize slaves automatically? Jun 23 18:39:03 Zucca: something like that will be needed Jun 23 18:39:23 It's great news anyways. :) Jun 23 18:39:27 exactly Jun 23 18:39:53 vegan, b-man, this vegetarian is eating pleeeeeenty of cheese right now. Jun 23 18:39:55 i am not sure yet what is the different betewen OTG and generic host mode Jun 23 18:40:02 OTG is a system that allows two devices to negotiate who should be the host Jun 23 18:40:10 Zucca: meaning that for host mode - plugging stuff into the n900 - OTG isn't needed Jun 23 18:40:24 Zucca: OTG cannot be used on the n900 - the hardware is missing Jun 23 18:41:04 generic host mode will involve running some script, which then prepares the N900 to act as host, and when a device is plugged in it works Jun 23 18:41:45 IF there was OTG, you could just plug the device in and it would figure things out Jun 23 18:42:06 the N900 can provide power to a USB device in either case Jun 23 18:42:19 My widgets and shortcuts on the home screen are not clickable. How can I know what app is causing that problem? It usually happens after a phone call. Jun 23 18:42:37 I tap them, it's as if they do not exist Jun 23 18:43:05 flailingmonkey: maybe something automatimagic can be dont using hal Jun 23 18:43:09 any idea? this is really annoying, and the only workaround is to reboot. Jun 23 18:43:13 SpeedEvil: host mode is enough for me. :) Unfortunately charging the devide at the same time may be hard/impossible. Jun 23 18:43:23 Zucca: Charging is irrelevant Jun 23 18:43:38 Zucca: you need a special cable is all Jun 23 18:43:39 hal+udev , but you will need make your own rulz for that Jun 23 18:44:15 It's currently looking like it'll be an app or a toolbar widget to set hostmode Jun 23 18:44:40 Toolbar widget would be nice. Jun 23 18:44:41 toolbar widget Jun 23 18:45:20 But this is all irrelevant Jun 23 18:45:28 that's the easy part that lots of people can do Jun 23 18:45:47 the harder part is working out the kernel driver, and stuff to get it working reliably Jun 23 18:46:03 true Jun 23 18:46:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Jun 23 18:47:38 E0x: udev/hal wouldn't work, because those events are only triggered when a device is detected. and USB devices are only detected if you are in hostmode :) Jun 23 18:48:14 ok Jun 23 18:48:39 Zucca: charging in hostmode is possible, but I don't know about fast charge (500mA) Jun 23 18:49:19 The charger hardware is completely seperate from the USB host hardware Jun 23 18:49:59 The USB hardware may care about if there is 5V on the USB port, but it can't care - or even know - which way rund the cunt is flowing. Jun 23 18:52:06 flailingmonkey: It is enough for me if the device can run without battery running empty. My some kind of dream is to have a "USB docking station" for my N900. ;) Jun 23 18:52:23 In principle, that'spossible. Jun 23 18:52:40 Indeed, someone has already demonstrated SB displaylink adaptor Jun 23 18:55:31 easiest way to use USB in host mode is to use the cable that comes with the N900 and put a female-to-female adapter onto the end Jun 23 18:56:17 yes - once it's setup Jun 23 18:57:25 :/ What do you guys think about that fact that YouTube Chose to use h264 instead of theora on their html5 implementation? Jun 23 18:57:31 can I power the n900 only from the power without battery? Jun 23 18:57:59 chadi: no Jun 23 18:58:21 SpeedEvil: any reason for that choice by nokia? Jun 23 18:58:35 Dassu: It enrages me to the point that Ihave killed 14 google employees, and one burger king employee. Jun 23 18:59:02 chadi: I'munsure it's a choice - it may simply be not catering to it. All options are not free. Jun 23 19:01:37 ok thanks Jun 23 19:02:27 chadi: to create a system that can run directly from DC input without a battery means an increase in circuit complexity Jun 23 19:03:10 also, I've never had a phone that can run without the battery, only laptops Jun 23 19:03:33 can't I get a DC source with 3.7V and plug it in the place of the battery sockets? Jun 23 19:06:40 chadi: sure Jun 23 19:07:00 chadi: It needs to produce ~2A pulses though Jun 23 19:07:12 oh Jun 23 19:07:21 then i won't worry about it :P Jun 23 19:07:44 there is hardware detection to make sure the battery is functioning properly, and isn't going to explode and such Jun 23 19:08:09 There really isn't Jun 23 19:08:19 It's prettty much all done in software Jun 23 19:08:31 orly? interesting Jun 23 19:08:56 - with the hardware battery charger being limited by design to not too harmful maximumvoltages, by the choice of chip. Jun 23 19:09:04 by checking its temperature? Jun 23 19:09:26 There isn't a temperature measurement device in the battery Jun 23 19:09:30 only on the motherboard Jun 23 19:09:42 umm ok Jun 23 19:10:09 Well - there are several on the motherboard Jun 23 19:48:21 SpeedEvil: well, it looks like bme isn't reading temperature at all Jun 23 19:48:24 SpeedEvil: just on startup Jun 23 19:48:44 SpeedEvil: but that's maybe because i was looking when there was no charger connected Jun 23 19:49:45 hmm Jun 23 19:51:01 it would be really useful to be able to run without a battery since that means you could hot-swap batteries Jun 23 19:54:18 I think some EE should take a look at the graphs in the charger's spec to make a guess if N900 could handle that power raw Jun 23 19:54:58 then if we can convince the charger to not shut down when it detects battery is missing, and put N900 into a state with predictable, steady, non-zero power draw.. Jun 23 19:55:00 i think charger switches off when it detects any problem with battery Jun 23 19:55:17 and i doubt it can be overriden Jun 23 19:55:30 esspecialy that it would be hard to keep voltage stable Jun 23 19:56:26 jacekowski: nope. no bat != prpblem in chrg pov Jun 23 19:56:29 Well basic premise is that the charger can't distinguish system load from battery Jun 23 19:56:37 yep Jun 23 19:56:57 And we can disable the normal charge termination also Jun 23 19:57:44 Is there cfdisk for maemo? Jun 23 19:58:00 But the battery has an important role in smoothing out what comes from the charger chip, and that's what I'd worry about Jun 23 19:58:17 nope Jun 23 19:58:29 that should be ok Jun 23 19:58:40 modem spikes kill Jun 23 19:58:53 spikes kill modem Jun 23 19:58:58 kill modem spikes Jun 23 19:59:03 modem kill spikes Jun 23 19:59:11 kill spikes modem Jun 23 20:00:07 does mussrogsky support freedb? Jun 23 20:01:34 DocScrutinizer, that PWM charging waveform on p8 could be handled by the capacitors in N900? Jun 23 20:02:18 yes Jun 23 20:02:25 aiui Jun 23 20:04:10 DocScrutinizer51: pretty dead on h-e-n mailing list. anything happening now that you a dev device? Jun 23 20:04:25 s/you/you have/ Jun 23 20:04:25 flailingmonkey meant: DocScrutinizer51: pretty dead on h-e-n mailing list. anything happening now that you have a dev device? Jun 23 20:04:32 I hope so Jun 23 20:04:58 plan to start a few initiatives this week Jun 23 20:09:06 I am excited to see development of a hostmode driver, now that people seem to realize that, no, trying to bend OTG state machine into a knot is not a great approach Jun 23 20:10:23 usb hostmode will be useful especially if there is a tiny battery-powered hub to go with it Jun 23 20:10:43 there is also some problem with running the wifi in infrastructure mode right? Jun 23 20:11:18 What problem? Jun 23 20:11:49 GAN900, i heard that infrastructure mode didn't work, so if you wanted to use your n900 as a hot spot, you had to use ad hoc mode and reset it every 10 minutes or something like htat Jun 23 20:13:50 why do 3g phones have higher download speeds than upload? either direction uses the same amount of air bandwidth Jun 23 20:14:39 That's not infra Jun 23 20:14:43 that's master Jun 23 20:14:45 essentially the same reason adsl has higher download than upload despite using the same bit of cable. Jun 23 20:15:14 so looks like nokia's going with meego for nseries Jun 23 20:15:24 yep Jun 23 20:15:25 symbian for low end Jun 23 20:15:28 How official is this announcement? Jun 23 20:15:39 godod! i say Jun 23 20:15:44 SpeedEvil, seems pretty official. Jun 23 20:16:10 right from the horses mouth mate Jun 23 20:16:30 the impression i had was nokia wanted to switch to m*o for all but low end phones, but found symbian was (for now) still working better, so n8 is running symbian Jun 23 20:16:47 droid x looks like awesome hardware, too bad it's running android :P Jun 23 20:17:11 :) Jun 23 20:17:13 android is a good OS Jun 23 20:17:30 If you don't mind Java and Google's evilness. Jun 23 20:17:40 solrize: got it wrong mate. Meego was for high end not low end. symbian will be on low end Jun 23 20:17:59 he never said meego would be low end Jun 23 20:18:16 sybian will have a place for a while. Jun 23 20:18:17 then wtf is m*o ??? Jun 23 20:18:23 not seeing any official references on that cnet.au article Jun 23 20:18:31 m*o is meego/maemo but re-read what he said. Jun 23 20:18:32 n8 is the last symbian nseries Jun 23 20:19:09 E0x: Android is garbage Jun 23 20:19:18 but that russian dude is saying this is all bushit and there will be more symbian nseries Jun 23 20:19:23 he said "for all BUT low end phone" Jun 23 20:20:00 dont know who to trusxt Jun 23 20:20:03 someone on #symbian says m*o's UI is touchscreen dependent so non-touchscreen phones have to stay with symbian unless there's big rewrite Jun 23 20:20:29 rewrites dont work well Jun 23 20:20:45 Maemo needs a rewrite anyway Jun 23 20:21:02 there is only one sentence claiming N8 is last symbian, and no references to back it up Jun 23 20:21:08 weeeak Jun 23 20:21:11 especially if MeeGo is going to be a phone platform Jun 23 20:21:16 Maemo was never meant for phones Jun 23 20:21:25 Indeed. Jun 23 20:21:29 but its on cnet - they aint bullshiters no? Jun 23 20:21:34 We should start with a cutting-edge ncurses GUI. Jun 23 20:21:51 MeeGo isn't a phone platform Jun 23 20:21:52 Anyone else have problems mounting N900's MicroSD card on Linux. I only can mount MyDocs But /media/mmc1 doesn't appear. MyDocs appear as /dev/sdc on my laptop (should it be /dev/sdc1 ?). Jun 23 20:22:01 It's a mobile computer platform, in part. Jun 23 20:22:46 Zucca, it just worked for me Jun 23 20:22:47 thats the cool thing about meemo... its a computer first Jun 23 20:22:53 lol, cnet will print anything Jun 23 20:23:29 Zucca: what? Jun 23 20:23:29 i thought they was always good....cnet Jun 23 20:23:54 N900killa: why would you want a computer platform on a phone? Jun 23 20:24:15 :/ Jun 23 20:24:17 n900 aint a phone Jun 23 20:24:33 flailingmonkey: I can access it by starting sshd on N900 and then mounting the whole N900 filesystem via sshfs on my laptop, but that's not very user friendly. Jun 23 20:24:35 n900 is a tiny laptop with radios Jun 23 20:24:58 N900killa: cnet isn't bad, but without any references, its just a rumor they have started Jun 23 20:25:22 luke-jr: Just waht I said. I cannot acces /dev/mmc1 via usb. :| Jun 23 20:25:25 i know, they say they heard it from horses mouth Jun 23 20:25:27 *what Jun 23 20:25:43 so why wouldn't Symbian continue to be used on phones? Jun 23 20:25:45 Zucca: yeah, when I plug in the N900 by usb to my linux laptop, and choose USB Storage Device, both the MyDocs and the mmc show up Jun 23 20:25:50 Zucca: why would you expect to? Jun 23 20:26:11 luke-jr: Because it normally should. Jun 23 20:26:30 luke-jr: read what flailingmonkey said. Jun 23 20:27:03 to be clear, I really mean the microSD, NOT the eMMC Jun 23 20:27:05 This is prehaps the only thing that works here on windows but doesn't on linux. :P Jun 23 20:27:22 the maemo=highend, symbian=featurephone policy realy isn't any news Jun 23 20:27:29 Yes. MicroSD. Jun 23 20:27:32 Zucca: reboot your phone Jun 23 20:27:48 Zucca: if something is accessing it then it might not make it avaliable over usb Jun 23 20:28:01 jacekowski: It hasn't worked even if I reboot. Jun 23 20:28:10 Ah... Hm. Jun 23 20:28:18 something is wrong with your pc then Jun 23 20:28:19 they just made a new s60 v3 phone, the e5 Jun 23 20:28:22 switch your phone off Jun 23 20:28:24 and connect it Jun 23 20:28:27 true Jun 23 20:28:38 I have closed all the apps. And I have even unmounted it. So nothing's accessing to it. Jun 23 20:28:39 where are the usb host dudes....they seem to disapeear from tmo ??? Jun 23 20:28:59 N900killa: Becaus the discussion on there is not especially helpful. Jun 23 20:29:03 N900killa: they are still there Jun 23 20:29:12 hiding, to perform their black magicks Jun 23 20:29:12 N900killa: We all know that USB host is cool. Jun 23 20:29:22 but why no helpful ??? Jun 23 20:29:38 N900killa: Having person after person pop up and ask the same questions as have been answered earlier in the thread is totally unhelpful. Jun 23 20:29:41 N900killa: because people that are posting there know fuck all about n900/usb/programmin/linux kernel Jun 23 20:29:43 they was talking about it and they got shut down Jun 23 20:29:58 they have a mailing list that they use to develop Jun 23 20:30:22 but tmo is not just for linux freaks no? Jun 23 20:30:26 N900killa: btw some unknown dude joerg posted this night Jun 23 20:30:33 the tmo thread was filling up with people not reading the whole 100 page thread and mostly just saying I want this! Jun 23 20:30:55 flailingmonkey: do you expect anybody to read 100 pages? Jun 23 20:31:21 jacekowski: If I unmount /media/mmc1 then plug my N900 usinf mass storage mode then unplug N900 --> /media/mmc1 is mounted again. And yes, it's propably something wrong with my system then. It's just strange that any other mass storage that has been partitioned acts fine when plugged. O.o Jun 23 20:31:35 Anyone here use sygic maps on the n900? Jun 23 20:31:54 jef91: yeah Jun 23 20:32:01 Zucca: because n900 is behaving differently to all storage devices Jun 23 20:32:03 Any idea how to update the maps on it? Jun 23 20:32:09 Or does it do it on it's own? Jun 23 20:32:14 Zucca: it's presenting itself with two medias Jun 23 20:32:15 jacekowski: YES! Jun 23 20:32:19 jacekowski: the 'keep this yhread for dev, there's another one for general discussion' was on every of the last 10 p though Jun 23 20:32:28 jacekowski: Ok. That's why... Jun 23 20:32:32 jef91: I don't think there are updates yet. It's pretty new. Jun 23 20:32:40 Zucca: so if you switch off your phone Jun 23 20:32:47 Zucca: and connect it with cable Jun 23 20:32:52 Zucca: and it doesn't work Jun 23 20:32:53 jacekowski: So then my microSD should appear as /dev/sdd... Jun 23 20:33:01 Zucca: something like that Jun 23 20:33:01 And I don't know what's sygic's policy on updates. You might have to pay for them. Jun 23 20:33:13 Let's try... Jun 23 20:33:16 Zucca: just type dmesg after you connect it Jun 23 20:33:24 Ok. Jun 23 20:33:36 and you can see what's happening Jun 23 20:33:46 i'm going to be sick Jun 23 20:33:49 fu** Jun 23 20:33:54 again Jun 23 20:34:03 3rd time in this year already Jun 23 20:34:09 N900killa: they didn't get shutdown, they moved so they could focus and not have to re-explain OTG vs hostmode for the thousandth time Jun 23 20:34:13 Mixu- hrm thats odd Jun 23 20:34:51 jef91: Why odd? Jun 23 20:35:28 A offtopic Macbook question. Jun 23 20:35:37 Can I keep the Macbook charging even after I shut it down? Jun 23 20:35:38 DrGrov: sell it Jun 23 20:35:40 Well maps change all the time Jun 23 20:35:46 most map programs update them Jun 23 20:35:50 or allow you to Jun 23 20:35:50 DrGrov: oO? Jun 23 20:35:54 jacekowski: unfortunately I can not sell it since it is my fiancees macbook Jun 23 20:35:58 to adjust to changing things Jun 23 20:36:05 DrGrov: get rid of her and sell it Jun 23 20:36:15 jef91: ask sygic Jun 23 20:36:15 DrGrov +1 for jacekowski Jun 23 20:36:18 jef91: The last one I had updated like once a year Jun 23 20:36:24 DrGrov: it will save you lot of money Jun 23 20:36:31 You can't just get rid of people and sell their stuff. Jun 23 20:36:38 Well - unless you have developed a filesystem. Jun 23 20:36:40 jef91: who the fuck are you to judge me? Jun 23 20:36:59 jef91: but yes, i do understand the irony in that statement :) Jun 23 20:37:05 stop fucking swearing Jun 23 20:37:16 jacekowski: yes, i will stop fucking swearing Jun 23 20:37:22 good Jun 23 20:38:05 jacekowski: but seriously now... i can still keep it charging with the wall charger even though it is turned off? i mean it will perhaps tell me once it is fully charged. Jun 23 20:38:33 well, normall laptops keep charging after you switch them off Jun 23 20:38:40 Fuck fuck fuck... I had it with this Macbook Jun 23 20:38:41 i'm kinda surprised that macbook isn't Jun 23 20:38:44 yeah, it will charge Jun 23 20:38:55 SpeedEvil: you really think reisserfs helps on the issue? Jun 23 20:39:05 God damn this devil Macbook! Jun 23 20:39:07 jacekowski: http://dpaste.com/210748/ No sign of /dev/sdd :| Jun 23 20:39:13 DrGrov: try asking on #mac Jun 23 20:39:24 DrGrov: don't mention me or you will get banned Jun 23 20:39:34 i caused lot of mischief there Jun 23 20:39:44 , Jun 23 20:39:50 jacekowski: yeah, i will do that. no, i will not. i do hate mac, it is like anthrax for my blood. Jun 23 20:39:51 meant to say "lol" Jun 23 20:40:13 DrGrov: something is seriously wrong with that picture Jun 23 20:40:28 DrGrov: not for you Jun 23 20:40:30 jacekowski: orly? can't believe it :-p Jun 23 20:40:31 Zucca: that was for you Jun 23 20:40:39 jacekowski: yes, perhaps so. you are seeing the picture in front of you? Jun 23 20:40:41 Zucca: what does lsusb say Jun 23 20:41:00 Shows only one device. :E Jun 23 20:41:04 jacekowski: quite gruesome eh? Jun 23 20:41:22 nite alll, sweet dreams Jun 23 20:41:25 I told my fiancee not to buy a Mac but no. She wanted and craved for it so bloody have it then! Jun 23 20:41:35 Install windows on it Jun 23 20:41:37 jacekowski: http://dpaste.com/210751/ Jun 23 20:41:53 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Jun 23 20:41:59 MiXu-: nooooo! windows is even worse for me than os x. Jun 23 20:42:03 i like osx Jun 23 20:42:18 please... Jun 23 20:42:18 never had one, but they have nice pictures on site Jun 23 20:42:28 Zucca: it should detect something Jun 23 20:42:35 Zucca: i mean - empty device Jun 23 20:42:42 Zucca: but it's not detecting anything Jun 23 20:42:44 jacekowski: perhaps just because you made fun out of me i should actually go to #mac and tell that you are the person responsible for sending me on a anti-mac crusade Jun 23 20:42:54 could we switch to something more on topic? e.g Germany 1 Jun 23 20:42:58 jacekowski: First I bet that it was hal that's messing things up, but then if lsusb doesn't show anything... Jun 23 20:43:15 I really out of ideas here. :| Jun 23 20:43:16 Zucca: try switching off your phone Jun 23 20:43:23 Zucca: and connect it like that Jun 23 20:43:24 DocScrutinizer: of course dear lord. :) sorry for my mischief behaviour Jun 23 20:43:45 jacekowski: I did. Nothing happens. Jun 23 20:44:11 Tomorrow my sole purpose is to watch Italy destroy Slovakia and get drunk since my holiday starts Jun 23 20:44:33 \o/ Vacation. Tomorrow! Jun 23 20:44:56 i'm going to eat something Jun 23 20:44:56 I got myself a nice 6, almost 7, week vacation Jun 23 20:45:01 and then probably sleep Jun 23 20:45:10 Mee too. Jun 23 20:45:11 good night everyone Jun 23 20:45:16 good night jacekowski Jun 23 20:45:26 DocScrutinizer51: you seem - i'm trying to be nice now Jun 23 20:45:32 s/seem/see/ Jun 23 20:45:34 jacekowski meant: DocScrutinizer51: you see - i'm trying to be nice now Jun 23 20:45:39 jacekowski: just because you go now i will not forget how you treated me regarding the Macbook Jun 23 20:45:42 I think I just repartition my SD card with card reader. I just hate to open N900 backpanel... Jun 23 20:45:43 jacekowski: :-D Jun 23 20:45:43 jacekowski: ;) Jun 23 20:46:44 actually even insanefaka err n900XXXX is amazingly easy to digest today Jun 23 20:47:05 much appreciated Jun 23 20:47:06 wait, you partitioned you mircoSD card? Jun 23 20:47:09 thats why Jun 23 20:47:18 YEAH :-P bingo Jun 23 20:48:09 Zucca, reformat the microSD card, no partitioning should be done... Jun 23 20:48:20 though partitioning in itself seems not the showstopper. A non-VFAT 1st partition is, though Jun 23 20:48:32 or fix the export script :-p Jun 23 20:49:08 Is there some easy to use partitioning app for maemo then? Jun 23 20:49:18 I got a uSD16G here with 12G VFAT 1.; 3.5G ext3; and a swap. It just works Jun 23 20:49:32 for the VFAT partition Jun 23 20:49:33 Good Jun 23 20:49:56 DocScrutinizer, germany won! Jun 23 20:49:57 The macbook is charging as I predicted. Eventually the green light will go on when it is fully charged. My fiancee hates when I use her stuff and the battery is low. Jun 23 20:50:00 bolt that door Jun 23 20:50:16 MohammadAG51: [2010-06-23 22:42:54] could we switch to something more on topic? e.g Germany 1 Jun 23 20:50:53 yeah, they fired crackers and drive around honking and vovozeling Jun 23 20:50:55 DocScrutinizer, I just logged on, how do you expect me to see that :D Jun 23 20:51:21 MohammadAG51: that's why I copied it just for you :-D Jun 23 20:51:23 Germany - England on Sunday then as the early game Jun 23 20:51:31 OMFG Jun 23 20:51:31 DocScrutinizer, aww, sanks :D Jun 23 20:52:03 Die Deutsche mannschaft ist ser gut :) Jun 23 20:52:21 Or something remotely close to that statement. Forgive my poor German skills Jun 23 20:52:27 The datch mannshaft is very good? Jun 23 20:52:32 idk german btw Jun 23 20:52:40 The German troops are good Jun 23 20:52:47 Or the German squad is good Jun 23 20:52:50 i was close :D Jun 23 20:52:54 Yes, close :) Jun 23 20:53:22 Lerry leiks to dress up funny. Tonite he is dressed up leik Frenk Sappa. Letz ask him WATZ ZEDEEEL Jun 23 20:53:31 I do not know why I always get freaked out by the battery time on the N900. Jun 23 20:53:41 on that note Jun 23 20:53:48 I just bought my 3rd battery Jun 23 20:55:22 MohammadAG51: somebody told ya they can be recharged? :-P Jun 23 20:55:39 DocScrutinizer, oops, thought they were disposable Jun 23 20:56:40 <_0x471> Good evening! Is anyone around that could help me out with porting a Debian package to Maemo? I know the wiki but it seems I have big troubles with outdated packages required to build it in the SDK. Unfortunately nobody is available in #maemo-devel Jun 23 20:57:09 just ask Jun 23 20:57:45 wtf? Jun 23 20:58:52 <_0x471> MohammadAG51: typing Jun 23 20:59:20 DocScrutinizer, is that one of your "MANY" nicks? Jun 23 20:59:35 I am known by MANY NAMES Jun 23 21:00:05 and seems I urgently need a good shot of loud 200Motels Jun 23 21:00:55 mytery roach, for example Jun 23 21:01:35 <_0x471> Well, I'm trying to port libboost 1.40 to Maemo. It somehow worked with 1.38 (it's in extras-devel). I have to mix three sources for the following reasons: The original 1.40 debian package uses new source format so it cannot be apt-get sourced in the SDK (outdated). The previous 1.40 package is tagged in the Debian SVN. But in there is only the ./debian/ dir, so no actual sources. That means I'm using the 1.40 release sources from boost, the 1.40-4 Jun 23 21:02:35 <_0x471> I had to tweak a few lines in order to make it stop complain (debhelper 7 etc) Jun 23 21:03:08 <_0x471> Finally it starts to build but miserably fails with the following output: http://www.copypastecode.com/31523/ Jun 23 21:03:37 <_0x471> Now it's your turn MohammadAG51 :) Jun 23 21:04:51 <_0x471> brb, cig -> Jun 23 21:05:28 _0x471, check the wiki entry about debhelper7 Jun 23 21:05:35 brb myself Jun 23 21:07:14 brb Jun 23 21:12:58 <_0x471> re Jun 23 21:13:08 <_0x471> yeah indeed, i read all of it Jun 23 21:14:05 <_0x471> i had to use the alternative thingy tho, dehelper7 didn't help much. So I changed the required version to 5 Jun 23 21:15:39 <_0x471> MohammadAG51 (in case you didn't notice) Jun 23 21:16:04 just a sec Jun 23 21:17:38 MohammadAG51: I gother you're not onn a decent connection right now? Jun 23 21:17:57 why? Jun 23 21:18:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fRimhxa0bE&feature=related Jun 23 21:18:44 dell small business is really selling stuff cheap but i'm terrified to buy from them. has anyone bought their n900 and not gotten spammed to within an inch of their life afterwards? Jun 23 21:18:54 So? Jun 23 21:19:02 Use a fake address Jun 23 21:19:30 sometimes I see parallels everywhere Jun 23 21:19:48 how are they going to send the n900 to a fake address? i mean snail mail spam Jun 23 21:19:58 solrize: You could use mine. Jun 23 21:20:04 I shall screen the mail for you. Jun 23 21:20:06 heh Jun 23 21:22:36 <_0x471> MohammadAG51: /me is more important than zappa? Jun 23 21:24:26 heretic! Jun 23 21:25:09 DocScrutinizer51: did u sell ur iphone yet ? Jun 23 21:25:50 digitalsurgeon: havemyou stopped beating your wife? Jun 23 21:26:03 lol Jun 23 21:27:37 rofl Jun 23 21:27:44 _0x471, no, dinner is Jun 23 21:28:23 <_0x471> almost bed time here :/ Jun 23 21:28:45 _0x471, did you add the lines to the debian/rules file? Jun 23 21:28:49 for debhelper7 Jun 23 21:29:13 <_0x471> I tried at first, but this didn't help much. I had to reduce the 7s to 5s Jun 23 21:29:40 _0x471, http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Debhelper_7 Jun 23 21:30:05 <_0x471> Are you ignoring my response? :P Jun 23 21:30:21 <_0x471> Alternatively, you can try to use debhelper 5. Debian packages that require level 7 need some changes, for example: debian/compat: 7 -> 5 debian/control: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7) -> debhelper (>= 5) Possibly, comment out a few dh_* calls from debian/rules, which might not exist on level 5 Jun 23 21:31:44 <_0x471> MohammadAG: The build would still fail adding these lines to the debian/rules. Still complaining about the debhelper not being Version 7. Jun 23 21:32:01 <_0x471> Let me add them one more time for you to see the errors Jun 23 21:32:06 _k Jun 23 21:35:16 hi Jun 23 21:36:33 <_0x471> MohammadAG: adding them right on top, k? Jun 23 21:37:00 eten M800, samsung OMNIA, LIN900 nobrand linux featurephone proto, 2 Openmoko Neo 1973, ~10 Neo Freerunner, 2 GTA03 protoboards, Nokia first 6210, 2 N810, 2 N900. Damn, NO spyPone Jun 23 21:37:27 _0x471, yes, after comments, if there are any Jun 23 21:39:15 <_0x471> MohammadAG: so i did Jun 23 21:39:19 <_0x471> output: Jun 23 21:39:20 <_0x471> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /home/user/MyDocs/boost/fkingsht/boost1.40-1.40.0] > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jun 23 21:39:20 <_0x471> dpkg-buildpackage: source package is boost1.40 Jun 23 21:39:21 <_0x471> dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 1.40.0-4maemo1 Jun 23 21:39:21 <_0x471> dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Steve M. Robbins Jun 23 21:39:21 <_0x471> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture armel Jun 23 21:39:21 <_0x471> dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 1.40.0-4maemo1 Jun 23 21:39:21 <_0x471> : Using Scratchbox tools to satisfy builddeps Jun 23 21:39:22 <_0x471> -: Scratchbox has unsatisfying version: debhelper 5.0.42 Jun 23 21:39:22 <_0x471> : Dependency provided by Scratchbox: bison Jun 23 21:39:23 <_0x471> : Dependency provided by Scratchbox: docbook-to-man Jun 23 21:39:23 <_0x471> : Dependency provided by Scratchbox: xsltproc Jun 23 21:39:24 <_0x471> : Dependency provided by Scratchbox: doxygen Jun 23 21:39:24 <_0x471> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7) Jun 23 21:39:25 <_0x471> dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. Jun 23 21:39:25 <_0x471> dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) Jun 23 21:39:46 _0x471, use pastebin next time, change debian/control's debhelper (>= 7) to debhelper7 Jun 23 21:40:10 whenever I open a mail on my N900 using my mail for exchange account it now takes 7-10 seconds. There's hgh cpu usage in dbus-daemon during the pause, is there anything I can do to debug the problem? Jun 23 21:41:05 it's fine for IMAP and it used to be fin for MfE Jun 23 21:42:51 <_0x471> MohammadAG: My fault, I didn't see the hint. It's not very clear that you'd have to change that one in the debian/control. Maybe someone should make this more clear in the Wiki? For now it's building, lets see what it turns out. Jun 23 21:43:17 <_0x471> aaaaaaand there it is Jun 23 21:43:19 <_0x471> error Jun 23 21:43:20 <_0x471> mom Jun 23 21:43:39 <_0x471> same as before Jun 23 21:44:09 which is? (pastebin.com) Jun 23 21:45:12 <_0x471> this one sir: http://pastebin.com/gQDGKYVT Jun 23 21:45:30 <_0x471> if you need more log, please let me know Jun 23 21:47:52 just deleted my MfE account and created it again and now it's fine Jun 23 21:47:58 for future reference Jun 23 21:51:16 <_0x471> MohammadAG did you see it? Jun 23 21:53:13 No idea mate, I suck at debugging C/C++ Jun 23 21:56:13 <_0x471> k then I'm giving up too. I messed around with it all day long and it's really frustrating successfully building it on one system but failing on another. I'm still wondering why Maemo and the SDK is so incredible outdated... This kinda kills my will to help/contribute and enthusiasm. Well, thanks for your time, MohammadAG! Jun 23 21:57:52 [ 857.717590] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered <-- quite worrying Jun 23 21:58:27 Anytime _0x471, I don't see any probs with the SDK :) Jun 23 21:59:23 <_0x471> MohammadAG: big issues with the SDK. If I cp -R the directory over to my Ubuntu machine, and run the same command, it builds with no errors. What else could be the problem then? Jun 23 22:00:34 Does anyone happen to know if javascript pausing has gone upstream and is in firefox nightlies, or any releases yet? Jun 23 22:08:31 <_0x471> MohammadAG: Any idea who could have ported the boost libs? http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/boost1.38/1.38.0-6maemo2/ Jun 23 22:08:39 <_0x471> Guess he could help me out Jun 23 22:19:06 <_0x471> ok never mind, got to hit the sack Jun 23 22:19:15 <_0x471> nn all Jun 23 23:00:21 o/ lcukn900 Jun 23 23:04:30 Does anybody know which directory the camera application wants to access to write images and movies? Jun 23 23:05:49 DCIM.. Jun 23 23:06:06 but it's messier than just a directory iirc Jun 23 23:43:43 yikes! Jun 23 23:43:45 my processor temperatura was at 51°C Jun 23 23:43:47 just because I was uploading something to youtube Jun 23 23:43:54 *temperature Jun 23 23:44:17 as long as you don't go over 90C you are fine Jun 23 23:44:44 put it in front of the fan Jun 23 23:44:49 temperatura is at 46°C now Jun 23 23:44:57 there is no accufrate processor temp. Jun 23 23:44:59 43 Jun 23 23:45:07 it's ok to be approximate. Jun 23 23:45:37 it is completely bogus at least some time Jun 23 23:45:54 it's consistent Jun 23 23:46:05 I refreshed the temperature indicator because the device seemed hot Jun 23 23:46:12 so I saw 51°C Jun 23 23:46:18 As in, it would not move at all when I md5summed /dev/zero Jun 23 23:46:40 where are you getting thyis temp from? Jun 23 23:47:08 I mean the cpu temp meter. Jun 23 23:47:10 /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp Jun 23 23:47:17 ah Jun 23 23:47:30 39°C now... much better Jun 23 23:47:31 That's not CPU temp Jun 23 23:47:33 that's the motherboard temperature Jun 23 23:47:49 the battery charge meter Jun 23 23:48:00 I thought it was measured by the battery which is next to the CPU Jun 23 23:48:01 isn't it? Jun 23 23:48:05 * GAN900 facepalms Jun 23 23:48:12 so in part it reflects the CPU temperature Jun 23 23:48:17 The first thing my mother did when she wanted to get the SIM out of her new iPhone 4 was stick a pin in the ambient noise mic on the top. . . . Jun 23 23:48:17 There's no temperature sensor in the battery Jun 23 23:48:19 lol Jun 23 23:49:08 so it's kinda odd that the battery charge kernel driver returns a temperature Jun 23 23:49:15 iirc bq27200 is a bit away from cpu+sdram+nand stack Jun 23 23:49:25 GAN900: re Jun 23 23:49:27 GAN900: cur Jun 23 23:49:30 GAN900: sion Jun 23 23:49:34 GAN900: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs020.ash2/34343_827309133792_9125091_45544484_5619899_n.jpg Jun 23 23:49:54 Scary Jun 23 23:50:28 Well the charge meter chip has a crude die temperature sensor, it's only natural to report whatever info the chip provides Jun 23 23:50:35 O_o Jun 23 23:55:38 (the battery gauge chip uses temp sensor to detect subzero temperatures and reduce available energy estimate) Jun 23 23:55:57 GAN900 facepalmed because I used 'battery', ok, saying battery was a silly thing, I wanted to say the charge meter as the name 'charge meter' and 'battery' are kinda exchangeable in my language Jun 23 23:56:15 Change your language Jun 23 23:56:26 I did Jun 23 23:56:30 ptl, I facepalmed at my mother sticking a pin in a mic hole. Jun 23 23:56:41 but some confusions happen sometimes. Jun 23 23:56:44 I am typing in english Jun 23 23:56:55 GAN900: oh, ok Jun 23 23:57:59 "sticking a pin in the mic hole" is that what the kids are calling it nowdays? Jun 23 23:58:29 LOL Jun 23 23:59:03 ptl: the The charge meter - looking at the board pics - is around 1.5cm from the CPU Jun 23 23:59:20 hmm Jun 23 23:59:30 not that close Jun 23 23:59:32 GAN900: I just quoted you in another channel, and some dude went "crashanddie, I knew I'd seen your nickname before, #maemo right?". The guy remembered #maemo from YOUR "GAN900" instantly. Jun 23 23:59:39 It is. Jun 23 23:59:43 but not that far also Jun 23 23:59:52 crashanddie, that's sad for me. Jun 23 23:59:52 Oh Jun 23 23:59:56 right Jun 23 23:59:56 nvm Jun 24 00:00:13 ptl: the CPU temp I suspect is not greatly affecting that. Jun 24 00:00:22 ptl: what were you doing at this time? Jun 24 00:00:47 ptl: as the cell modem and wifi will use the same as teh CPU flat-out sometimes Jun 24 00:01:03 SpeedEvil: uploading a video to youtube, using nethogs wlan0 to see upload taxes, using X-Chat and tree more browser windows open on talk.maemo.org, only that Jun 24 00:01:13 *three more browser Jun 24 00:01:53 ah Jun 24 00:03:05 That's going to be using the wlan flat out, and the CPU flat out too, and the backlight too Jun 24 00:03:35 Though the backlight doesn't heat the board Jun 24 00:13:30 Hi, what for is file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 on n900. Can i change keyboardmapping from there? Jun 24 00:14:04 heritage from the RX-44 I guess Jun 24 00:14:08 keep it anyways Jun 24 00:14:51 The 44 was an early unreleased proto? Jun 24 00:15:53 I cant really figure our how to change Å(Aring) key to Alt key... Jun 24 00:16:27 Can the N900 ovi maps do voices and driving mode? Jun 24 00:16:46 Lantizia: Not on n900, as I understand it. Jun 24 00:16:55 is there any memo where it shows key codes like (key ) is this key on kb Jun 24 00:16:55 Lantizia: It does on others as I understand it. Jun 24 00:17:05 thought as much, can you recommend any other map apps that can for the N900 ? Jun 24 00:17:23 there is sygic Jun 24 00:17:26 I think Jun 24 00:17:31 that's the only one Jun 24 00:17:45 Well - then there are various openstreetmap and other stuff. Jun 24 00:25:23 Is htere a picasa sharing plugin? Jun 24 00:29:17 ohh i got it now >.< Jun 24 00:29:21 stupid me Jun 24 00:30:36 SpeedEvil, sharing-service-picasa Jun 24 00:31:08 Curse these impossible-to-decipher names! Jun 24 00:31:10 :) Jun 24 00:31:37 :D Jun 24 00:32:05 Reading state information... Done Jun 24 00:32:07 E: Handler silently failed Jun 24 00:32:08 hmm Jun 24 00:32:34 SpeedEvil, ovi Jun 24 00:32:43 oh Jun 24 00:32:53 user/hidden to be more precise Jun 24 00:33:05 some version of apt broke installs from there Jun 24 00:33:14 i have a reversed deb - somewhere Jun 24 00:34:17 hmm - ovi.com is timing out for me Jun 24 00:37:02 SpeedEvil, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb Jun 24 00:37:43 SpeedEvil, or edit ~/home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager and set red pill mode and red pill mode permanent to 1 Jun 24 00:38:02 thanks Jun 24 00:38:12 what does red pill mode do Jun 24 00:38:33 enable red pill, the package would show up in app manager Jun 24 00:38:37 but that's too slow Jun 24 00:39:24 Night Jun 24 00:39:24 ah Jun 24 00:39:25 OSM can't do routing yet though :( Jun 24 00:39:26 night Jun 24 00:39:29 :) Jun 24 00:39:37 asj: you can do routing ont he data Jun 24 00:39:39 SpeedEvil, pin apt when you install my deb Jun 24 00:39:44 asj: there are several services that do Jun 24 00:39:56 k Jun 24 00:39:58 SpeedEvil: sorry, I stated that to generically, you can not route with the n900 Jun 24 00:40:10 and do turn-by-turn Jun 24 00:40:27 I had a voice nav app on the n900 Jun 24 00:40:34 but I lost it when I reflashed pr1.0 Jun 24 00:40:39 and I haven't rewritten Jun 24 00:40:54 3 line dbus-monitor+awk+espeak Jun 24 00:42:09 SpeedEvil: there's ebough dbus info flowing out from ovi maps? or some other app? that's interesting Jun 24 00:42:35 no - just positio Jun 24 00:42:37 n Jun 24 00:42:49 ah ok Jun 24 00:42:58 It was a very silly 'left'/right warmer/colder thing Jun 24 00:43:10 ah ok Jun 24 00:43:52 lol Jun 24 00:53:24 List of reasons why you shouldn't be afraid to leave me with your kids: "Number 3: I never killed anyone by accident." <-- somehow, that's not a very good argument. Jun 24 01:04:58 damn, I really hate the summer break Jun 24 01:05:31 all the good shows stop, and the best shows that remain air episodes like droplets in a river Jun 24 01:07:15 and in other news, a drunk driver trapped after overturning his car cracked open another can of beer while he waited for emergency crews to rescue him. Jun 24 01:36:07 oh, come on Jun 24 01:36:14 and I thought android had useful applications Jun 24 01:36:26 hi Jun 24 01:36:26 just took a walk on androlib.com and saw only stupid apps Jun 24 01:36:33 now I just stumbled on this: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.net-teknoraver-FiCm.aspx Jun 24 01:36:43 N900 has way more useful applications Jun 24 01:36:51 "the page cannot be found" Jun 24 01:37:09 oh sorry, it was next line timestamp Jun 24 01:37:44 ? Jun 24 01:38:16 sry, not related to you directly Jun 24 01:45:44 ptl, stop advert your favorite application Jun 24 01:47:42 ok, I will Jun 24 01:47:47 lol Jun 24 01:48:00 let's do it for maemo! Jun 24 02:03:17 well, think I read some time ago somewhere about attempts to make a selfcharging battery based on movement. That app could be really good to have around then ;) Jun 24 02:30:48 Oh the irony of a Android-dedicated website running ASP Jun 24 02:31:12 GeneralAntilles: gimme thanks Jun 24 02:32:12 crashanddie, for? Jun 24 02:32:25 GAN900: dunno, just see you browsing topics I've posted in Jun 24 02:41:32 Just got my N900 today, was wondering if there was native support for AIM and MSN Jun 24 02:42:03 pyther: yes, install the extra IM plugins Jun 24 02:43:51 speaking of which, which msn plugin do you people use? haze or butterfly or pecan? Jun 24 02:46:03 asj: do I need the pidgin plugin stuff? Jun 24 02:46:26 pyther: mmmm, don't think so, you want the Conversations extra plugins Jun 24 02:46:46 pyther: might be in extras-testing? (devel?) Jun 24 02:48:05 maybe this "Pidgin protocols plugin for Conversations and Contacts" Jun 24 02:49:35 pyther: yeah that sounds good Jun 24 02:52:02 pyther: better off not usign them :) Jun 24 02:55:18 haha Jun 24 02:55:40 Is there a good intro guide on configuring the N900? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 24 02:59:58 2010