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Jun 24 03:05:32 <e-yes> special "thanks" for irc plugin for conversation, very useful.
Jun 24 03:08:05 <e-yes> actually, is there any alternative that "know" about notification facilities (sound/lights) of n900?
Jun 24 03:08:24 <pyther> Stupid question but how can i set a profile?
Jun 24 03:13:35 <asj> pyther: push the power button, or touch the battery
Jun 24 03:20:57 <pyther> asj: perfect thanks
Jun 24 03:21:12 <pyther> can't wait for my case to come so I can actually start using it
Jun 24 03:21:24 <pyther> asj: is possbile to create an additional profile?
Jun 24 03:23:46 <asj> pyther: heh, no
Jun 24 03:24:41 <pyther> that is disappointing, oh well
Jun 24 04:45:59 <pigeon> pyther,asj: you can with tweakr
Jun 24 05:03:47 <nan> anytime
Jun 24 05:07:54 * magic_silver_box slaps aloril around a bit with a large trout
Jun 24 05:10:48 <Stskeeps> morn andre__
Jun 24 05:11:26 <DocScrutinizer> mo Stskeeps
Jun 24 05:12:01 <Stskeeps> morn
Jun 24 05:12:54 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: do you think it's incident the NITs use 'u' to enter bootloader flashmode, just like uBoot based devices do?
Jun 24 05:12:55 <andre__> Stskeeps, heja!
Jun 24 05:13:57 <DocScrutinizer> 'u' could mean 'update' as well. But I always thought it's 'uBoot'
Jun 24 05:14:21 <DocScrutinizer> i.e is NOLO == uBoot+/-x ?
Jun 24 05:16:17 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: yes, i think it's incident
Jun 24 05:16:37 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, a pity :-D
Jun 24 05:17:00 <DocScrutinizer> no lever to as for source of NOLO ;-)
Jun 24 05:17:05 <DocScrutinizer> ask*
Jun 24 05:22:16 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: well. NOLO is signed and hence you can't replace it, why bother having the source?
Jun 24 05:22:47 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not sure about that
Jun 24 05:23:06 <DocScrutinizer> not convinced to be precise
Jun 24 05:23:23 <Stskeeps> i'm quite sure
Jun 24 05:23:24 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 05:24:00 <Corsac> who does the nolo sign check?
Jun 24 05:24:09 <Stskeeps> OMAP HS rom, i believe
Jun 24 05:24:23 <Corsac> and what does it do if the check fails? it'll refuse to boot?
Jun 24 05:24:39 <Corsac> (a bit like TPM?)
Jun 24 05:24:42 <magic_silver_box> dont worry
Jun 24 05:24:47 <magic_silver_box> i have carrots
Jun 24 05:24:59 <Corsac> does that use trustzone, or is it a standard arm feature?
Jun 24 05:25:16 <Stskeeps> dunno, i just know it's there and not to fuck with it :P
Jun 24 05:30:31 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: think I can get the Maemo calendar working in tonal? XD
Jun 24 05:30:50 <tekojo> morning!
Jun 24 05:31:01 <luke-jr> tekojo: morning
Jun 24 05:41:40 <DocScrutinizer> I always thought there are 2 versions of OMAP wrt signature checking initial loader
Jun 24 05:43:54 * DocScrutinizer suggests a joint effort to brute force crack the signature (or Nokia publishes the signing key to document they're not as evil as you'd think)
Jun 24 05:44:40 <Stskeeps> i think there's bigger fish to fry, tbh
Jun 24 05:44:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 05:45:00 <DocScrutinizer> sure. But some are small, delicious, and look funny
Jun 24 05:45:56 <Stskeeps> how's charging coming along?
Jun 24 05:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> and I feel like Nokia's hostage *just another time*. Nobody told me I can't revert from 1.2 celmo (and I'm pondering whom to sue if the repair dept at Nokia will fry my 1.1 cellmo FW during fixing the power switch), and now I have to learn they can replace NOLO any time with a signature checking version not allowing me to install my own kernels on device, and there's just nothing I can do if that happens (except knowing in advance and just not
Jun 24 05:48:18 <DocScrutinizer> update)
Jun 24 05:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> charging was declared a low low low priority for *meego* afaicr, for hostmode it's also no showstopper, so nothing essential has been done yet
Jun 24 05:49:23 <asj> DocScrutinizer:  did you look at the security model they proposed for maemo6?
Jun 24 05:49:44 <Corsac> DocScrutinizer: afaik the security model should allow you to boot an unsigned kernel, but some functions won't be enabled
Jun 24 05:50:02 * DocScrutinizer heads to bathroom to puke - please, not this time of day, even before my breakfast
Jun 24 05:50:05 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: well, until handset day one (this month), anything else is a low priority, but we're not exactly having luck with the closed charging either..
Jun 24 05:50:21 <Corsac> (the exact range of what is enabled is not clear for me, especially I don't know if it'll be possible to use security functions, encryption etc. with a custom kernel)
Jun 24 05:50:28 <MiXu-_> "# Individuals can now register as Ovi Publishers"
Jun 24 05:50:29 <MiXu-_> Nice
Jun 24 05:50:50 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: afaik SSU's can't upgrade nolo/won't, so i wouldn't worry about that..
Jun 24 05:50:50 <asj> DocScrutinizer: point being, they've stated if you don't want drm features you can install any kernel you want with maemo6
Jun 24 05:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: so you tell me I should push it up to top of my ToDo list?
Jun 24 05:51:14 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: well, i was just asking about the current state :P but i guess usb host is higher atm
Jun 24 05:51:45 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: a basic working charge mode can be implemented til next week though
Jun 24 05:51:57 <Stskeeps> have you successfully made it charge so far?
Jun 24 05:52:01 <Corsac> who needs charging anyway
Jun 24 05:52:02 <DocScrutinizer> there's few unknown ground to break
Jun 24 05:52:10 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jun 24 05:53:00 <Stskeeps> personally i'd be interested in a simple charging, doesn't have to be efficient, just has to work and stop in error situations
Jun 24 05:53:14 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: a basic working *safe* charging, that just doesn't deal with special niche cases like overtemperature etc, is basically a oneliner
Jun 24 05:53:24 <DocScrutinizer> and it worked
Jun 24 05:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: define 'error situation'
Jun 24 05:53:47 <tybollt> Stskeeps: Z500 eh? o_O
Jun 24 05:53:58 <Stskeeps> tybollt: what are you talking about?
Jun 24 05:54:17 <tybollt> yeah what AM I talking about :)
Jun 24 05:54:26 <Stskeeps> tybollt: isn't that a intel atom processor? :P
Jun 24 05:54:33 <digitalsurgeon> z500 doesnt seem a real name to me
Jun 24 05:54:41 <digitalsurgeon> eldar is propbably drunk when he said that
Jun 24 05:54:44 <tybollt> there was a meego product demog of a supposed Nookla product (next gen tablet) w/ meego
Jun 24 05:55:12 <tybollt> eldar drunk? A russian guy  drunk?
Jun 24 05:55:14 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: charging certainly is a showstopper
Jun 24 05:55:14 <tybollt> NEVAR HAPPENED
Jun 24 05:55:37 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: for what? hostmode? nope
Jun 24 05:55:46 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: for basic device usage
Jun 24 05:55:52 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jun 24 05:56:00 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: define 'error situation'
Jun 24 05:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: otherwise there's few I can do for you :-P
Jun 24 05:56:17 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: well, as in, if chip reports any errors, stop charging, all those kind of things..
Jun 24 05:56:39 <DocScrutinizer> THAT will happen automatically :-P
Jun 24 05:56:48 <Stskeeps> ok
Jun 24 05:57:24 <DocScrutinizer> ok, so would you feel happy this morning to announce working charging start of next week, on #magoo-meeting ?
Jun 24 05:57:55 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: you can always mention you're starting the work, i can't really touch the code for various reasons
Jun 24 05:58:38 <DocScrutinizer> you don't have to, I just realized you're in a kind of a pinch, so I'll look into it and should deliver mnday
Jun 24 05:59:09 <rmrfchik> guys, what are you charging?
Jun 24 05:59:16 <DocScrutinizer> last info I got from you was "not before October"
Jun 24 05:59:24 <Stskeeps> :nod: well, it's honestly easier to discuss things when there's something tangible in the open that works
Jun 24 05:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> that's what I offered to you, so smile!
Jun 24 06:00:03 <Stskeeps> i am, but the coffee isn't working yet
Jun 24 06:00:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 06:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> same here
Jun 24 06:00:19 <DocScrutinizer> (coffee)
Jun 24 06:00:44 * luke-jr heats the coffee to 99 C
Jun 24 06:00:49 <luke-jr> working yet?
Jun 24 06:01:06 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: fact is, SpeedEvil and me we both have charged battery successfully without bme
Jun 24 06:01:31 <Stskeeps> got graphs to prove it? :P
Jun 24 06:01:48 <tybollt> pics or it didnt happen
Jun 24 06:01:53 <DocScrutinizer> leme check, I think I had a logger running
Jun 24 06:02:26 <DocScrutinizer> can do that til monday as well, to back up my claim the one-liner really works
Jun 24 06:04:44 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: ok, mr chairman, take it to meego-meeting, as I feel like having a nap. Tell me what you decided upon ("ok we could use that - no, forget it)
Jun 24 06:05:15 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: also what's the minimum requirement specs
Jun 24 06:05:30 <DocScrutinizer> for the basic charger for meego
Jun 24 06:05:43 <tybollt> cynical doc is ... cynical... :)
Jun 24 06:06:08 <DocScrutinizer> there's nothing cynic in me ATM
Jun 24 06:06:24 <tybollt> 'ATM' :P
Jun 24 06:17:16 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: personally i think it would be good to have, with graphics showing charging working, perhaps with graphing of temperatures, etc, you know, the works
Jun 24 06:17:48 <Stskeeps> like, a nice report on why this actually works
Jun 24 06:18:01 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jun 24 06:18:26 <DocScrutinizer> temp is a bit hard as there's actually no way to get cell temp
Jun 24 06:18:33 <Stskeeps> really?
Jun 24 06:18:36 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Jun 24 06:19:05 <DocScrutinizer> next best thing you can get is bq24150 chip die temperature
Jun 24 06:20:23 <Stskeeps> what does DSME/BME use then? i know there's a GET_TEMPERATURE request or something
Jun 24 06:36:59 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: don't ask *ME*
Jun 24 06:37:10 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: generic question to everyone :)
Jun 24 06:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> thought you got better (re)sources
Jun 24 07:26:22 <hrw> morning
Jun 24 07:26:26 <Stskeeps> morn
Jun 24 07:40:18 <dotblank>  does anyone get a happy feeling when you realize you can delete code from a project?
Jun 24 07:41:12 <MiXu-_> Sure :)
Jun 24 07:41:32 <sandst1> it's a purifying experience ^^
Jun 24 07:41:43 <MiXu-_> If it means optimizing. If it's dropping features, then it's not so satisfying.
Jun 24 07:42:45 <dotblank> like you write a new class and makes a bunch of code obsolete :)
Jun 24 07:43:03 <sandst1> dotblank: exactly :)
Jun 24 07:43:47 <dotblank> although now im stuck on a bug :(
Jun 24 07:49:59 <ds3> anyone know if flashing the NAND image/rootfs fiasco image will result in dataloss or corruption of the installed apps database?
Jun 24 07:50:51 <tekojo> ds3: it will be wiped clean, so back-up before flash
Jun 24 07:51:27 <tekojo> and if for some reason you would flash the emmc back-up to external card :)
Jun 24 07:52:40 <ds3> I intend to, just trying to see if I will have to reinstall all apps to keep the dpkg database sane or not
Jun 24 07:53:23 <ds3> it seems packages live in /home which appears to be on the emmc so the binaries will be there but /usr is on the NAND whichshould be wiped out
Jun 24 07:54:06 <dotblank> grrr... I blame grooveshark
Jun 24 07:54:23 <dotblank> must be down or acting slow or under maintenance
Jun 24 07:57:13 <dotblank> yup
Jun 24 07:57:17 <dotblank> thats the reason
Jun 24 07:58:36 <haj> ds3: whan you do backup you just make sure it backs up the application list..
Jun 24 07:59:35 <haj> ds3: then after you flash you and you restore the backup, you can select "Restore Applications" in Application Manager.. then it installes the apps for you.. (not sure about ovistore stuff though?)
Jun 24 07:59:51 <ds3> don't care about ovistore
Jun 24 08:00:06 <ds3> and how does one backup the app list?
Jun 24 08:01:01 <haj> use the backup-application... it's pretty obvious
Jun 24 08:02:01 <haj> new backup -> name -> select everything.. :)
Jun 24 08:02:27 <ds3> oh... didn't know it remembers the applications; just thought it did dataonly
Jun 24 08:12:42 <DocScrutinizer> it remembers the app *list* and re-installs apps on restore (if the apps were isnatlled via appmanager, you need to handle things  separately on your own which are installed via apt-get)
Jun 24 08:14:51 <DocScrutinizer> obviously it depends on particular app if any settings in ~/.app/* are kept or are deleted on re-install
Jun 24 08:15:57 <MohammadAG51> wouldn't that fail unless they edited apt-get?
Jun 24 08:16:27 <MohammadAG51> some users don't use the app manager
Jun 24 08:16:37 <Corsac> they should :)
Jun 24 08:17:33 <ds3> hmmm
Jun 24 08:17:38 <MohammadAG51> Corsac, tbh I'd edit mp-fremantle-generic-pr and get rid of the app manager
Jun 24 08:38:13 <Tuukka> I have something draining my battery really fast, is there something i can do to identify the cause?
Jun 24 08:38:31 <pronto> all that porn man, stop it
Jun 24 08:38:32 <Corsac> try top
Jun 24 08:39:05 <Tuukka> Xorg -logf is taking 1,6%
Jun 24 08:39:14 <Tuukka> cpu
Jun 24 08:40:06 <Tuukka> is that normal?
Jun 24 08:40:45 <Bactius> might be something else
Jun 24 08:42:14 <Tuukka> The drain started to occur few days after installin queen beecon and powerkernel.
Jun 24 08:42:58 <haj> Tuukka: seems normal
Jun 24 08:43:39 <tybollt> I don't run any crazy whacky powerkernals!111 but I still get mad bat drainage.
Jun 24 08:43:58 <jacekowski> 8h isn't mad
Jun 24 08:44:25 <tybollt> My phone was fully charge this morning when I woke up ... an hour later at work it has drained 1/3d of the batt - WHIE ENTIRELY IDLE
Jun 24 08:45:28 <Tuukka> Usually i have been been able to get almost 2 days of usage with moderate usage, now it drains within a day even if i don't do anything :// Guess i'll just reflash
Jun 24 08:46:28 <frals_> most likely youve installed something which is misbehaving
Jun 24 08:46:43 <Venemo> good morning guys
Jun 24 08:46:49 <Venemo> I have a question
Jun 24 08:46:57 <Tuukka> Haven't installed anything lately, just updates.
Jun 24 08:47:04 <ShadowJK> or then it's the wlan bug
Jun 24 08:47:08 <frals_> well updates can introduce bugs :p
Jun 24 08:47:23 <Venemo> if I create a .deb package from my app, and wish to launch the app immediately in the post-install, how should I do that?
Jun 24 08:47:28 <ShadowJK> tuukka: is it still alive?
Jun 24 08:47:40 <Bactius> I have another problem since installing fmms. I can no longer surf the web due to the following error
Jun 24 08:47:54 <Bactius> : you do not have access to the site
Jun 24 08:48:14 <Tuukka> ShadowJK, what do you mean? Is it working, yeah
Jun 24 08:48:21 <obsidieth> hmm.
Jun 24 08:48:30 <ShadowJK> are you trying to surf the web when connected to the mms apn?
Jun 24 08:48:32 <obsidieth> my n900 doesnt actually get down to 250MHz, seems stuck at 500
Jun 24 08:48:46 <obsidieth> im using the ideal kernel profile, and have removed the 'avoid frequencies'
Jun 24 08:48:47 <Bactius> this occurs while on the mobile connection
Jun 24 08:48:48 <ShadowJK> TuukkaÖ I mean have you  rebooted since?
Jun 24 08:48:50 <obsidieth> but it still wont scale down that far.
Jun 24 08:49:05 <ShadowJK> obsidieth, connected charger or usb?
Jun 24 08:49:10 <obsidieth> usb.
Jun 24 08:49:26 <Tuukka> ShadowJK, yeah a few times doesn't help
Jun 24 08:49:30 <ShadowJK> Yeah it doesn't go below 500 when connected to usb
Jun 24 08:49:35 <obsidieth> ah.
Jun 24 08:49:37 <obsidieth> thats interesting.
Jun 24 08:49:52 <obsidieth> oo
Jun 24 08:49:53 <ShadowJK> Tuukka, facebook widget, 3g data active?
Jun 24 08:49:54 <obsidieth> 125.
Jun 24 08:49:57 <obsidieth> very nice.
Jun 24 08:50:14 <obsidieth> has anyone else been using such low frequencies, heh.
Jun 24 08:50:21 <Tuukka> ShadowJK no facebook widget and no connections enabled
Jun 24 08:50:33 <ShadowJK> Ok now that's strange :)
Jun 24 08:51:30 <Tuukka> Well i'll uninstall some apps that might cause it and see if the problem disappears
Jun 24 08:51:48 <ShadowJK> What do you have installed?
Jun 24 08:53:11 <Bactius> ShadowJK: It looks like I'm using standard APN but the connection behaves like if it is MMS APN
Jun 24 08:53:26 <Bactius> (got a phonecall)
Jun 24 08:53:31 <ShadowJK> hm :/
Jun 24 08:54:25 <obsidieth> hmm. it seems to jump between 125 and 900 quite frequently. im wondering if one could lower the threshold that causes it to scale.
Jun 24 08:56:13 <Tuukka> ShadowJK: Auto Disconnect, Quuen Beecon, Powerkernel + settings, 3g/2g/dual mode applet, ConnectNow,  Easy debian, DCEW,  + many more
Jun 24 08:56:49 <ShadowJK> Well, consider that normall the CPU is at 0 MHz the majority of time, this eats the least power. Unless there's something that constantly requires small amounts of processing, it's most efficient to go up to fastest speed, complete the tasks that exist, and go back to sleep
Jun 24 08:57:24 <ShadowJK> What's queen beecon?
Jun 24 08:57:44 <obsidieth> its basically sitting at 125 while im not on it, but occasionally spiking to 900
Jun 24 08:57:53 <BCMM> ShadowJK: at 0 MHz?
Jun 24 08:57:58 <obsidieth> im hoping like, since its only background tasks, it could maybe jump to 500 or 250 instead
Jun 24 08:58:03 <obsidieth> of all the way to 900. save me a bit of juice.
Jun 24 08:58:15 <ShadowJK> BCMM, yep, clocks off, voltage off
Jun 24 08:58:22 <Tuukka> Hildon-satus-m uses constantly some cpu aswell could it be it? 0.6-1.3%
Jun 24 08:58:46 <obsidieth> hmm. what is that.
Jun 24 08:59:20 <ShadowJK> Tuukka, I think hildon-status-menu is holding all the stuff that comes out when you tap on the clock
Jun 24 08:59:55 <ShadowJK> Tuukka, 'ifconfig', do you see wlan0 or wmaster0 ?
Jun 24 09:00:17 <Tuukka> ShadowJK, should it just idle when the status/power menu ain't in usage
Jun 24 09:01:11 <ShadowJK> Well it also draws signal strength and battery icon I think..
Jun 24 09:02:16 <Tuukka> ShadowJK,  Can't find those
Jun 24 09:02:28 <ShadowJK> ok, that's good
Jun 24 09:03:08 <ShadowJK> at 33% drain per hour the phone should be pretty warm I think?
Jun 24 09:03:39 <obsidieth> i might have to run the battery monitor and see where im at.
Jun 24 09:03:46 <obsidieth> today my phone barely lasted through my 9 to 5:p
Jun 24 09:05:58 <jacekowski> obsidieth: that's kinda normal
Jun 24 09:06:37 <obsidieth> mmmm.
Jun 24 09:06:45 <obsidieth> im sure i can do better.
Jun 24 09:06:51 <ShadowJK> mine lasted about 2-3 days per charge when using original battery and being mostly offline since I couldn't afford roaming :)
Jun 24 09:07:04 <obsidieth> maybe its 3g chewing it up
Jun 24 09:07:09 <obsidieth> i checked, not catorise.
Jun 24 09:09:12 <ShadowJK> 3g can be very power consuming
Jun 24 09:09:18 <ShadowJK> One packet every 5 seconds is enough to keep the 3g radio constantly active and empty battery is 4-6 hours or less
Jun 24 09:12:01 <jacekowski> well, i have problem with tmobile
Jun 24 09:12:11 <jacekowski> i can't use internet unless i run ping in background
Jun 24 09:12:41 <jacekowski> and and 10-15 pings come back with like 15s round trip time
Jun 24 09:12:49 <jacekowski> and then it starts going down
Jun 24 09:12:59 <Duckboot> jacekowski: Agressive disconnectpolicy.
Jun 24 09:13:01 <Duckboot> ?
Jun 24 09:13:20 <jacekowski> well, that only happens if i don't have full signal
Jun 24 09:13:38 <jacekowski> when i'm in colchester with full 3g signal it works fine
Jun 24 09:30:49 <mirf> it has arrived!
Jun 24 09:30:56 <mirf> n900 in a box under my desk
Jun 24 09:31:05 <Surfa> hooway
Jun 24 09:31:06 <vldcnst> unpack it!
Jun 24 09:31:07 <Surfa> ray
Jun 24 09:31:07 <mirf> problem is I'm at work so I can't open it yet ... noooo
Jun 24 09:31:22 <vldcnst> toilet!
Jun 24 09:31:23 <stonda> just do it
Jun 24 09:31:27 <mirf> hahaha
Jun 24 09:31:35 <mirf> lunch is in an hour and a half
Jun 24 09:31:43 <mirf> if I get it out now I'll do nothgin for the rest of the day haha
Jun 24 09:32:38 <Duckboot> mirf: Say to anyone that asks: I'm assigned to testing out the new company phones.
Jun 24 09:35:29 <mirf> lol
Jun 24 09:35:30 <mirf> could do
Jun 24 09:35:39 <mirf> everyone knows thats' balls tho
Jun 24 09:35:40 <mirf> I can wait
Jun 24 09:35:42 <mirf> it's fine
Jun 24 09:36:34 <mirf> tempted to get out and charging at least though
Jun 24 09:38:20 <_0x47> hey ho! anyone has an idea why I can't get the ubuntu repository to work in maemo?
Jun 24 09:38:33 <_0x47> always getting 404s on apt-get update
Jun 24 09:38:41 <Appiah> well
Jun 24 09:38:46 <_0x47> i assume they have armel packages tho
Jun 24 09:38:50 <Appiah> do you have the exact error?
Jun 24 09:38:51 <_0x47> dunno if so
Jun 24 09:38:54 <_0x47> sec
Jun 24 09:38:55 <Appiah> maybe just wrong path
Jun 24 09:39:40 <adeus> no armel
Jun 24 09:39:53 <achipa> _0x47: careful with that, if you install something that pulls in packages/libs that update the Maemo ones, it's super easy to hose your install
Jun 24 09:40:26 <_0x47> http://pastebin.com/PH0tG4gD
Jun 24 09:40:40 <_0x47> no no, talking about SDK
Jun 24 09:40:46 <_0x47> and I'm trying to get the source
Jun 24 09:40:52 <_0x47> @ achipa
Jun 24 09:41:00 <_0x47> adeus: no armel?
Jun 24 09:41:08 <_0x47> ok, that would explain the problem
Jun 24 09:41:16 <Appiah> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/
Jun 24 09:41:19 <Appiah> no armel
Jun 24 09:41:25 <Appiah> amd64 and i386
Jun 24 09:41:29 <adeus> are those deb-src sources then?
Jun 24 09:41:36 <Appiah> but there is ARM packages for ubuntu lucid I know
Jun 24 09:41:46 <Appiah> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel?text=
Jun 24 09:41:51 <achipa> _0x47: but that's no moon... you don't need binary repos for the source
Jun 24 09:42:05 <_0x47> lucid is too new i guess, maybe it's worth a try, but it seems most packages are in the new source format
Jun 24 09:42:07 <achipa> (as you can see it got the source ones just fine)
Jun 24 09:42:11 <_0x47> which is not understood by the SDK
Jun 24 09:42:28 <Appiah> well you can look around yourself
Jun 24 09:42:30 <Appiah> thats all I know
Jun 24 09:42:48 <_0x47> adeus: what do you mean?
Jun 24 09:42:52 <Appiah> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel
Jun 24 09:42:56 <achipa> _0x47: there is not error - just do apt-get source packagename
Jun 24 09:42:59 <_0x47> Appiah: ok thanks
Jun 24 09:43:09 <Appiah> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel <-- here you go ARM ubuntu packages
Jun 24 09:43:27 <_0x47> achipa: i can't even do a apt-get update
Jun 24 09:43:38 <adeus> remove the "deb http..." row
Jun 24 09:43:43 <achipa> _0x47: but... you did. according to the pastebin
Jun 24 09:43:48 <adeus> there is no armel pacakged versions there, as you can see from the link from Appiah
Jun 24 09:43:57 <achipa> it's just the binary package list that failed, you got the source repos
Jun 24 09:44:12 <_0x47> oh ok, let me try
Jun 24 09:44:39 <adeus> that's actually something you could do as well..
Jun 24 09:44:50 <adeus> I always apt-get source on the host
Jun 24 09:45:04 <adeus> you/I
Jun 24 09:45:18 <nomis> felipe`:
Jun 24 09:45:22 <nomis> erf. Sorry.
Jun 24 09:45:28 <_0x47> thanks all! it works! (with removed deb... line)
Jun 24 09:53:42 <Bactius> I have another problem since installing fmms. I can no longer surf the web due to the following error: you do not have access to the site
Jun 24 09:55:22 <Bactius> this occurs while on the mobile connection
Jun 24 09:55:37 <crashanddie> where does the error appear?
Jun 24 09:55:42 <Bactius> It looks like I'm using standard APN but the connection behaves like if it is MMS APN
Jun 24 09:55:43 <crashanddie> As if it were a webpage?
Jun 24 09:56:19 <Bactius> I cant visit webpages due to the above error
Jun 24 09:56:36 <crashanddie> Bactius: please answer the questions people ask you, in order to help you solve your issue
Jun 24 09:56:55 <crashanddie> Bactius: where does the error message appear? Is it displayed as if it were a webpage, in the browser?
Jun 24 09:57:15 <Bactius> yes. misunderstood the question
Jun 24 09:57:39 <crashanddie> then it would appear it is indeed a misconfigured internet connection
Jun 24 09:57:52 <Bactius> I get it in both web browsers
Jun 24 09:58:10 <loufoque> is there any cool game for N900 that uses the touch screen?
Jun 24 09:58:23 <crashanddie> The easiest solution is to find someone who has the same network provider as yourself (same contract would be a plus, too), and copy their settings
Jun 24 09:58:51 <crashanddie> Bactius: if you didn't change anything, there is also a chance that you ran out of credit or something, and your provider has cut your connection
Jun 24 09:58:55 <Stskeeps> loufoque: angry birds?
Jun 24 09:59:06 <loufoque> is that all there is?
Jun 24 09:59:19 <crashanddie> loufoque: I can give you a great idea if you want to write one
Jun 24 09:59:40 <Stskeeps> loufoque: marbles..
Jun 24 09:59:41 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 10:00:15 <Bactius> crashanddie: i can chat here, send emails and so on but not open webpages through browser windows
Jun 24 10:01:06 <crashanddie> Bactius: do you have specific proxy settings?
Jun 24 10:01:37 <loufoque> Bactius: does host resolution work properly?
Jun 24 10:02:40 <sandst1> loufoque: Numpty Physics is pretty neet
Jun 24 10:02:48 <crashanddie> neat*
Jun 24 10:02:54 <Bactius> crashanddie: Yes. I got the connection settings sent again and got the message that the ones I had was identical with the new ones
Jun 24 10:03:09 <crashanddie> hmm
Jun 24 10:05:38 <loufoque> sandst1: looks good indeed. Can't find it in the repos though
Jun 24 10:07:54 <Bactius> loufoque: Don't know what you mean
Jun 24 10:08:21 <loufoque> Bactius: can you resolve names into IP addresses?
Jun 24 10:08:23 <MohammadAG> e-yes, ping
Jun 24 10:08:42 <chem|st> hell bad morning *moan*
Jun 24 10:09:31 <crashanddie> chem|st: stfu, bitch
Jun 24 10:12:20 <chem|st> loufoque: gweled eightyone "numpty physics(devel)" SPBBrainEvo Xploder need more?
Jun 24 10:13:03 <chem|st> crashanddie: ty, thats what I needed... now I feel better!
Jun 24 10:13:12 <crashanddie> chem|st: anytime
Jun 24 10:13:14 <sandst1> loufoque: should be in extras-devel at least
Jun 24 10:13:17 <Bactius> MohammedAG: Yes i could
Jun 24 10:13:29 <Bactius> got to go. bbl
Jun 24 10:13:36 <chem|st> crashanddie: how are you anyway? need a bit of a towel?
Jun 24 10:13:46 <crashanddie> towel
Jun 24 10:13:47 <crashanddie> ?
Jun 24 10:13:58 <MohammadAG> Bactius, huh?
Jun 24 10:14:09 <chem|st> crashanddie: trout
Jun 24 10:14:11 <MohammadAG> wtf
Jun 24 10:15:58 <chem|st> MohammadAG: thats all my morning, wtf wth stfu "whats the matter with you"
Jun 24 10:16:13 <MohammadAG> chem|st,
Jun 24 10:16:19 <MohammadAG> <crashanddie> chem|st: stfu, bitch
Jun 24 10:16:38 <chem|st> ok...
Jun 24 10:16:44 <MohammadAG> :D
Jun 24 10:17:01 <MohammadAG> chem|st, you're that mod on tmo right?
Jun 24 10:17:01 <chem|st> and I wasn't even on tmo yet...
Jun 24 10:17:02 <sandst1> loufoque: if not found there's always SVN https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=638
Jun 24 10:17:19 <chem|st> yeah.... someone died already?
Jun 24 10:17:42 <obsidieth> hmm. this battery lfie is really poor.
Jun 24 10:17:47 <MohammadAG> chem|st, do you mind marking all users and hitting the Ban user button in modcp?
Jun 24 10:17:48 <obsidieth> are wigets generally responsible for this.
Jun 24 10:18:02 <chem|st> modcp? gimme a link
Jun 24 10:18:15 <chem|st> ah modcp get it
Jun 24 10:18:25 <chem|st> MohammadAG: all users where?
Jun 24 10:18:33 <MohammadAG> chem|st, tmo doh...
Jun 24 10:18:51 <chem|st> hehe you mean all like in ALL tmo right ;)
Jun 24 10:19:33 <crashanddie> chem|st: ban these users: abill_uk, geneven, daperl. Thanks.
Jun 24 10:19:43 <MohammadAG> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/modcp/ <-- modcp, I've never seen a mod ask about it...
Jun 24 10:19:58 <MohammadAG> chem|st, add CrashandDie to the list
Jun 24 10:19:59 <Stskeeps> nah, geneven and daperl says sane things at times
Jun 24 10:20:10 <Stskeeps> abill_uk should be duct-taped against an electric fence
Jun 24 10:20:13 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps too
Jun 24 10:20:29 <crashanddie> geneven is wanking twat
Jun 24 10:20:37 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, tbh, you torture people more than an electric fence
Jun 24 10:20:41 <chem|st> abill is currently discussed if we throw stones or yeah duct-taped against an electric fence
Jun 24 10:20:54 <crashanddie> throwing stones won't server anything
Jun 24 10:20:59 <MohammadAG> if in doubt, choose both
Jun 24 10:21:00 <crashanddie> s/ver/ve/
Jun 24 10:21:00 <infobot> crashanddie meant: throwing stones won't serve anything
Jun 24 10:21:07 <chem|st> MohammadAG: I will
Jun 24 10:21:19 <crashanddie> chem|st: I really don't see why those things need discussion for so long
Jun 24 10:21:26 <chem|st> crashanddie: will serve my pleasure...
Jun 24 10:21:40 <tybollt> crashie: It might serve to pleasure the masochists :P
Jun 24 10:21:57 <MohammadAG> if I was a mod I would've permbanned them
Jun 24 10:22:12 <crashanddie> chem|st: everytime the guy gets one reply, he is fueled for days. Isn't that enough for an admin to just step up and get rid of the guy?
Jun 24 10:22:14 <MohammadAG> then again, I requested a mod drop on the site I mod
Jun 24 10:22:23 <crashanddie> Everyone wants to do it, but Reggie doesn't want to take ownership of this kind of thing
Jun 24 10:22:47 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: mods can't ban
Jun 24 10:22:53 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, WHAT!?
Jun 24 10:23:00 <crashanddie> we can ban spammers
Jun 24 10:23:07 <crashanddie> and we can give infraction points
Jun 24 10:23:07 <MohammadAG> again
Jun 24 10:23:09 <MohammadAG> WHAT?!
Jun 24 10:23:19 <crashanddie> (which can lead to temporary bans)
Jun 24 10:23:20 <MohammadAG> if mods can't ban, what can you do...
Jun 24 10:23:40 <crashanddie> but there's no permbans AFAIK (maybe supermods have it)
Jun 24 10:24:06 <crashanddie> well, you can soft-delete posts, edit, move, reorganise, etc
Jun 24 10:24:08 <MohammadAG> I can permban and I'm a normal mod (different site)
Jun 24 10:24:20 <crashanddie> yeah, but that's for power hungry people
Jun 24 10:24:27 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 24 10:24:40 <loufoque> chem|st: can't find SPBBrainEvo and Xploder
Jun 24 10:24:44 <crashanddie> proof to point: you're an israeli powermonging bastard :P
Jun 24 10:24:45 <MohammadAG> do you always PM reggie to ban spambots?
Jun 24 10:24:47 <chem|st> loufoque: ovi
Jun 24 10:24:56 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, XD
Jun 24 10:24:58 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: not at all, we can ban spammers
Jun 24 10:25:04 <tybollt> becomming a mod - power hungry is implied crashie
Jun 24 10:25:16 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: we can ban accounts that are less than 30 days old, and have less than 5 posts or something
Jun 24 10:25:23 <crashanddie> chem|st: what are the numbers?
Jun 24 10:25:27 <MohammadAG> lame :)
Jun 24 10:25:43 <crashanddie> tybollt: hey, I wasn't power hungry when I was a mod
Jun 24 10:25:59 <MohammadAG> right... but you're power hungry here
Jun 24 10:26:02 <MohammadAG> hence the +o :D
Jun 24 10:26:09 <crashanddie> I'm not +o
Jun 24 10:26:18 <crashanddie> AAAARRGGH YOU COMMUNIST
Jun 24 10:26:41 <crashanddie> indeed, you are :)
Jun 24 10:26:52 <MohammadAG> :D
Jun 24 10:27:01 <crashanddie> wanna guess what?
Jun 24 10:27:06 <crashanddie> so am i
Jun 24 10:27:12 <crashanddie> :D
Jun 24 10:27:24 <chem|st> tybollt: is it? I started with my inner want to have brainstorm cleaned up and actualy being useful
Jun 24 10:27:35 * MohammadAG stabs crashanddie
Jun 24 10:27:43 * crashanddie backstabs MohammadAG 
Jun 24 10:28:18 <crashanddie> chem|st: are you even a mod in brainstorm?
Jun 24 10:28:33 <obsidieth> oh. man.i bet its the gps drinking all my power?
Jun 24 10:28:55 <crashanddie> lmao
Jun 24 10:28:57 <crashanddie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUFH9NXBmAY&feature=related
Jun 24 10:29:01 <chem|st> crashanddie: something like that yeah, no I am not mod in brainstorm as I barely find time to handle it because of all those wnaking twats
Jun 24 10:29:02 <MohammadAG> nah, GPS doesn't use the battery
Jun 24 10:29:03 <crashanddie> there's a vuvuzela button
Jun 24 10:29:04 <MohammadAG> it rapes it
Jun 24 10:29:29 <crashanddie> you can listen to the nice sound of vuvuzela's while watching your movie
Jun 24 10:29:31 <crashanddie> excellent
Jun 24 10:29:39 <MohammadAG> ROFL
Jun 24 10:29:43 * RST38h stretches
Jun 24 10:29:51 <RST38h> Soooooo... What is new and exciting?
Jun 24 10:30:00 <MohammadAG> RST38h, the world ended
Jun 24 10:30:02 <Appiah> everything!
Jun 24 10:30:09 <MohammadAG> ^see?
Jun 24 10:30:11 <chem|st> crashanddie: I will get back to brainstorm when I get controls in the brainstorm system everything else is just useless
Jun 24 10:30:18 <RST38h> MohammadAG: Cool, so that was what that button did...
Jun 24 10:30:24 <crashanddie> chem|st: hey, we're not useless!
Jun 24 10:30:29 <MohammadAG> RST38h, how's afterlife?
Jun 24 10:30:29 <crashanddie> chem|st: don't say "everything else"
Jun 24 10:30:42 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, they're not useless, you are
Jun 24 10:30:50 <crashanddie> :(
Jun 24 10:30:54 <MohammadAG> aww
Jun 24 10:30:58 <crashanddie> :'(
Jun 24 10:31:07 * MohammadAG sees an opportunity
Jun 24 10:31:12 <RST38h> MohammadAG: Ah, splendid, eating/sleeping/screwing all the time
Jun 24 10:31:13 * MohammadAG stabs crashanddie again
Jun 24 10:31:22 <chem|st> crashanddie: I can moderate tmo-brainstorm as much as I want as long as I cannot moderate the maemo brainstorm it is glue on a wet surface
Jun 24 10:31:44 <chem|st> so anything useless to add?
Jun 24 10:31:54 <MohammadAG> why are there two brainstorm sections?
Jun 24 10:32:03 <chem|st> o_O
Jun 24 10:32:09 <RST38h> chem|st: Add some cool brainstorms
Jun 24 10:32:10 <chem|st> MohammadAG: where?
Jun 24 10:32:14 <psycho_oreos> ~tmo
Jun 24 10:32:17 <infobot> tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes
Jun 24 10:32:19 <RST38h> chem|st: Like, a brainstorm to create a religion around Maemo
Jun 24 10:32:20 <MohammadAG> chem|st, the tmo one, and the normal one
Jun 24 10:32:27 <crashanddie> chem|st: I know that, I was just saying don't say "everything else is useless", cuz that kinda includes 99.9% of the world :)
Jun 24 10:32:29 <MohammadAG> RST38h, that doesn't seem half bad
Jun 24 10:32:34 <crashanddie> chem|st: you know, joke, pun, funny
Jun 24 10:32:42 <RST38h> chem|st: Or a brainstorm to create a mascot
Jun 24 10:32:58 <crashanddie> RST38h: don't you fecking go there again
Jun 24 10:33:02 <chem|st> RST38h: I did add alot and one seems to get the most exciting program onto n900 as the upstream project directly got involved
Jun 24 10:33:08 <crashanddie> the mascot was probably the worst idea we've ever had
Jun 24 10:33:22 <crashanddie> anyway, I'm out, 'later
Jun 24 10:33:24 * MohammadAG suggests a beaten penguin with bruises and the like
Jun 24 10:33:49 <MohammadAG> or a penguin with a javelin
Jun 24 10:33:51 <MohammadAG> cya crashanddie
Jun 24 10:37:25 <chem|st> MohammadAG: because someone wanted it like that... wasn't me
Jun 24 10:37:49 <chem|st> the discussion at brainstorm was moved to tmo and the brainstorm discussion plugin disabled
Jun 24 10:39:53 <chem|st> crashanddie: everything else is useless to put on to brainstorm system, what helps a philipine's as on top of brainstorm system?
Jun 24 10:39:56 <crashanddie> damn, this is bad http://www.gtspirit.com/2010/06/24/toyotas-chief-test-driver-dies-in-lfa-crash/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GTspirit+%28GTspirit%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
Jun 24 10:40:16 <chem|st> s/as/ass/
Jun 24 10:40:17 <infobot> chem|st meant: crasshanddie: everything else is useless to put on to brainstorm system, what helps a philipine's as on top of brainstorm system?
Jun 24 10:40:37 <chem|st> +??
Jun 24 10:45:15 <Nervengift> is there an official or unofficial i386(Intel Atom)-build of maemo? i'd like to try it in virtualbox before buying N900
Jun 24 10:45:55 <MiXu-_> Nervengift: Scratchbox for linux
Jun 24 10:46:06 <nidO> http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners
Jun 24 10:46:12 <MiXu-_> It gives you an idea
Jun 24 10:46:24 <Nervengift> thx
Jun 24 10:46:27 <MiXu-_> But it's not complete, obviously.
Jun 24 10:46:58 <psycho_oreos> probably also physically test drive one as well
Jun 24 10:46:59 <nidO> wouldnt the easiest way to try maemo before buying an n900 be to just walk into a shop and use one?
Jun 24 10:47:37 <Nervengift> i did so but i'd like to take a closer look
Jun 24 10:47:50 <MiXu-_> HC geeks don't go to physical shops!
Jun 24 10:48:00 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jun 24 10:48:03 <psycho_oreos> HC as in hardcore?
Jun 24 10:48:08 <MohammadAG> is purging hildon-desktop a good idea?
Jun 24 10:48:20 <psycho_oreos> probably not
Jun 24 10:48:50 <MiXu-_> psycho_oreos: yes
Jun 24 10:48:57 <MohammadAG> meh, need to get rid of the settings
Jun 24 10:49:56 <Kleggas> you mean people should "try out" the OS before buying a phone? I must have failed badly when deciding to go n900 then..... for me it was: Looks good, has wide screen with higher ress than other phones, has keyboard and most important is running Linux - I will take 2x, for me and wife...
Jun 24 10:49:58 <psycho_oreos> MiXu-_, I'd say hard core geeks get N900 anyway, its far more unrestrictive than android powered phones.. and it runs linux as well
Jun 24 10:50:07 <MiXu-_> yup
Jun 24 10:51:15 <psycho_oreos> though critics say maemo 5 is an unfinished masterpiece, I tend to somewhat agree.. running maemo inside scratchbox isn't going to help you much understanding knowing that the actual toy itself is more fun in which you can do fancy things
Jun 24 10:54:48 <_0x47> me again! :) any idea how to get that package? http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/dblatex I can't get it through apt-get with the extras-devel and nokia binaries enabled...
Jun 24 10:59:28 <_0x47> does that mean nobody's here or nobody has got an idea? :/
Jun 24 11:01:43 <Stskeeps> probably need to build it yourslf
Jun 24 11:02:14 <_0x47> no way, why are there packets in the repository that rely on this package but the package itself is not available?
Jun 24 11:03:32 <_0x47> that doesn't make much sense to me
Jun 24 11:04:15 <aboyer> hi, gstreamer on n900 question: is the ffmpegcolorspace element accelerated by the DSP on the n900? or is all the conversion code run on the cpu?
Jun 24 11:06:05 <BCMM> Kleggas: i went into a shop and asked politely if i could have a go on the n900 keyboard and touchscreen to see how usable they were
Jun 24 11:09:24 <borco> hi
Jun 24 11:09:39 <chem|st> _0x47: is a devel app depending?
Jun 24 11:09:51 <loufoque> BCMM: and your verdict?
Jun 24 11:09:54 <loufoque> not very?
Jun 24 11:10:13 <BCMM> loufoque: i liked them...
Jun 24 11:10:28 <borco> any ideas when the results of the nokia n900 survey will be published and where?
Jun 24 11:10:45 <BCMM> loufoque: i was trying to find out whether i could reliably hit the keys on the keyboard, and guess whether i'd eventually be able to use it without looking
Jun 24 11:10:51 <chem|st> borco: survey?
Jun 24 11:10:54 <BCMM> and i guessed correctly that i could
Jun 24 11:11:06 <borco> http://maemo.nokia.com/survey/
Jun 24 11:11:44 <chem|st> borco: ehrm never anywhere I guess
Jun 24 11:12:33 <borco> chem|st: i have received an e-mail that i have won one of those. how can i check if the e-mail was legit and not a scam?
Jun 24 11:12:49 <Kleggas> BCMM: That is what one should go and try out regardless of the OS running. I can say I did NOT do that, and was happy I found a perfect fit for myself when I got home and tried it out for first time, after having bought it. However I have an HP iPaq from work, and even that tiny tiny keyboard I learned to use after a while so I knew that the bigger keys on N900 would so not be a problem :)
Jun 24 11:13:01 <chem|st> borco: one of those what?
Jun 24 11:13:30 <_0x47> chem|st: where to find that out? it was a few days ago tho when the last change happened
Jun 24 11:13:31 <borco> chem|st: one of the n900 give-aways.
Jun 24 11:13:32 <Kleggas> the touchscreen however was something I could not have guessed how it would be, but Im very happy with it even if I didnt try it out
Jun 24 11:13:53 <chem|st> borco: dont know
Jun 24 11:14:04 <_0x47> chem|st: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/dblatex
Jun 24 11:14:12 <_0x47> 1st june
Jun 24 11:14:35 <chem|st> _0x47: which program depends ond dblatex?
Jun 24 11:15:13 <_0x47> cdbs
Jun 24 11:15:18 <SpeedEvil> borco: I offer a service to scren incoming packages, to determine if it's a real n900 or not.
Jun 24 11:15:24 <_0x47> it's a build dependency
Jun 24 11:15:57 <borco> SpeedEvil: what do you mean?
Jun 24 11:16:01 <SpeedEvil> borco: Realistically - go for it - unless they require you to pay for shipping.
Jun 24 11:16:20 <SpeedEvil> borco: Oh
Jun 24 11:16:29 <SpeedEvil> borco: Sorry - nvm
Jun 24 11:16:33 <SpeedEvil> borco: I misread.
Jun 24 11:17:00 <SpeedEvil> borco: I always assumed the survey (that I took, and am taking part in) was completely internal to nokia, and would never be published.
Jun 24 11:17:07 <SpeedEvil> Indeed, I would be astonished if it was.
Jun 24 11:17:18 <borco> SpeedEvil: no problem. but i received that e-mail and now i can only ask myself when will i receive my shiny n900 :-)
Jun 24 11:17:20 <SpeedEvil> (it would be good, but I'd still be astonished)
Jun 24 11:17:38 <chem|st> _0x47: thats not the only dependencie that package misses out on...
Jun 24 11:18:00 <_0x47> chem|st: i sorted out all others, what do you mean?
Jun 24 11:18:03 <SpeedEvil> borco: Sorry - I'm missing this again - why were you supposed to recieve a n900? Is this directly related to the survey?
Jun 24 11:18:08 <_0x47> and why is the older version in the repos then?
Jun 24 11:18:33 <_0x47> i removed the python2.5 dependency in hope 2.4 would be fine
Jun 24 11:18:47 <borco> SpeedEvil: yes. the survey stated that people completing the survey could win one of the 50 n900 that were given away
Jun 24 11:18:54 <chem|st> the cdbs package in testing has missing dependencies too
Jun 24 11:19:00 <SpeedEvil> borco: Ah - right.
Jun 24 11:19:08 <SpeedEvil> borco: have you had an email that you've won then?
Jun 24 11:19:12 <borco> SpeedEvil: to my surprise, i receive an e-mail stating that i'm one of the lucky winners ...
Jun 24 11:19:21 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Jun 24 11:19:38 <SpeedEvil> borco: Well - follow the instructions.
Jun 24 11:19:50 <borco> SpeedEvil: it's from Qt.Comments@nokia.com.
Jun 24 11:19:54 <_0x47> chem|st:  oh lol, the how would I create another one with missing dependencies? I just need it for building.
Jun 24 11:19:59 <borco> SpeedEvil: just wanted to be sure it is legit :)
Jun 24 11:20:03 <SpeedEvil> borco: I have had a (smaller) reward from a nokia survey, so I have no inherent reason to doubt it.
Jun 24 11:20:06 <_0x47> get any deb for armel from somewhere?
Jun 24 11:20:30 <chem|st> _0x47: "in the repos" we are talking about testing and devel so there is no "why is there something not working in this repo?"
Jun 24 11:20:48 <borco> SpeedEvil: yep, the win is quite substantial. i normally never win ...
Jun 24 11:21:00 <chem|st> anything I mean
Jun 24 11:21:13 <SpeedEvil> borco: Congratulations then.
Jun 24 11:21:34 <chem|st> borco: have fun with it ;)
Jun 24 11:21:35 <_0x47> chem|st: sure, I just meant why there is a package that you theoretically couldn't create? I can't create it locally, so there is no way to get a .deb out of it
Jun 24 11:21:37 <frals_> borco: check the email header, should be enough
Jun 24 11:21:43 <frals_> headers*
Jun 24 11:21:59 <SpeedEvil> borco: It does seem odd to give away n900s for a questionaire about the n900.
Jun 24 11:22:03 <_0x47> chem|st: so I guess someone just got binaries from somewhere and compiled it with them
Jun 24 11:22:06 <SpeedEvil> But - they get to decide I guess.
Jun 24 11:24:20 <mirf> omg
Jun 24 11:24:26 <mirf> xterm
Jun 24 11:24:29 <mirf> right there in apps
Jun 24 11:24:53 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 24 11:25:26 <Kleggas> mirf: Congratulations on your newly bought (today?) n900? :)
Jun 24 11:25:28 <SpeedEvil> mirf: Enable 'extras' repository in the application manager, install 'rootsh' - and then you just type 'root' in xterm to get root
Jun 24 11:25:45 <chem|st> well sources on maemo are what the autobuilder got for building...
Jun 24 11:26:27 <mirf> :D
Jun 24 11:26:28 <chem|st> I mean the realated sourcce to a already build binary
Jun 24 11:26:35 <mirf> thanks dudes
Jun 24 11:27:11 <chem|st> mirf: welcome to the other side
Jun 24 11:27:16 <mirf> haha
Jun 24 11:27:30 <mirf> just waiting for it to charge then I'm gonna have fun
Jun 24 11:27:39 <chem|st> want a cookie?
Jun 24 11:27:54 <sx0n> hmm. http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/insiders-ownership
Jun 24 11:28:05 <Kleggas> there are cookies for n900 users?
Jun 24 11:28:08 <chem|st> mirf: LOL, it is precharge so you don't need to do it
Jun 24 11:28:30 <mirf> hmm
Jun 24 11:28:34 <mirf> well it's charging now
Jun 24 11:28:43 <chem|st> mirf: the manual says so
Jun 24 11:28:48 <mirf> first thing I gotta so is put vnc on it
Jun 24 11:28:55 <mirf> says it's partially precharges
Jun 24 11:28:56 <mirf> *d
Jun 24 11:29:07 <chem|st> yep
Jun 24 11:30:15 <Kleggas> ssh server is a good thing too, if you want to access it from the puter
Jun 24 11:30:28 <chem|st> mirf: your battery time might be a bit short in the first few days, scared me of as a friend visiting me who bought it the same day did not have that
Jun 24 11:30:31 <Kleggas> server on n900, that is
Jun 24 11:30:34 <SpeedEvil> For those of us in the UK. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/net-neutrality/ - ofcom consultation about net neutrality. Please respond if you have concrete points to make.
Jun 24 11:31:15 <mirf> :)
Jun 24 11:31:30 <mirf> basically treat it like a full blown linux box right?
Jun 24 11:31:39 <Kleggas> battery life increased very noticable for me when I removed that facebook widget ;)
Jun 24 11:31:44 <mirf> f__k yeah
Jun 24 11:31:49 <mirf> oh yeah screw facebook
Jun 24 11:31:55 <Kleggas> if it only had a "refresh every XX hours" option :p
Jun 24 11:31:56 <chem|st> mirf: exactly
Jun 24 11:32:15 <Ikarus> heh
Jun 24 11:32:28 <SpeedEvil> mirf: I was really surprised around 3 months in, when my pocket linux box rang.
Jun 24 11:32:46 <chem|st> Kleggas: nope
Jun 24 11:33:01 <Macer> SpeedEvil: haha
Jun 24 11:33:07 <Ikarus> you can also blow through the battery in under three hours with mobile browsing, IRCing, etc on the train while continously switching between 2 and 3 G :)
Jun 24 11:34:08 <Macer> im just happy it has a good skype integration
Jun 24 11:34:08 <chem|st> Ikarus: Kleggas you might want to write up a guide "Battery drain for Dummies"
Jun 24 11:34:18 <SpeedEvil> Or under 1.5 hours if playing loud audio, while recording video, and acting as a mobile hotspot
Jun 24 11:34:19 <Macer> my g1 had that crappy call forwarding skype
Jun 24 11:34:25 <chem|st> Macer: good == poor?
Jun 24 11:34:26 <Kleggas> I started using it as a "ringing" device from day one, but through skype. I wasn't surprised at all until the day skype was turned off, and it rang
Jun 24 11:34:43 <Macer> chem|st: i havent had a problem using skype
Jun 24 11:34:43 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: I'm about to write something along those lines.
Jun 24 11:35:04 <chem|st> Macer: yeah I can text and call but thats it for now
Jun 24 11:35:08 <Macer> even over 3G
Jun 24 11:35:15 <loufoque> Macer: what has good skype integration?
Jun 24 11:35:27 <Macer> er... maemo5?
Jun 24 11:35:31 <Macer> :)
Jun 24 11:35:44 <Macer> beats androids to say the least
Jun 24 11:35:57 <Macer> the gtalk video is a little lacking
Jun 24 11:36:09 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: btw anything new at the hotspot front? some free tool on it's way?
Jun 24 11:36:09 <Macer> doesnt seem to work that well but i havent tested it much
Jun 24 11:36:30 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: there is 'mobilehotspot'
Jun 24 11:36:33 <Kleggas> even the camera works flawless over 3g, or atleast where I live in the centre of 3g heaven close to several large markets
Jun 24 11:36:35 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: I haven't used it
Jun 24 11:36:38 <loufoque> Macer: video is useless (and I say that working for the world leader in videoconferencing)
Jun 24 11:36:47 <SpeedEvil> loufoque: Video is not useless.
Jun 24 11:36:49 <Macer> Kleggas: im in chicago
Jun 24 11:36:50 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: didn't it need a new kernel?
Jun 24 11:36:57 <SpeedEvil> loufoque: For some things - it's very useful.
Jun 24 11:36:59 <Macer> there is quite a bit of coverage here heh
Jun 24 11:37:00 <loufoque> text > voice > video
Jun 24 11:37:01 <pigeon> i've been using mobilehotspot, works ok.
Jun 24 11:37:21 <chem|st> Kleggas: no video for me yet
Jun 24 11:37:26 <SpeedEvil> loufoque: For example - being able to show someone a bit of furniture that you're contemplating buying
Jun 24 11:37:31 <Macer> loufoque: not really
Jun 24 11:37:35 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: yes - so?
Jun 24 11:37:49 <loufoque> SpeedEvil: take a picture and send it
Jun 24 11:37:55 <Macer> i am divorced and my son stays with his mother 3 months out the year
Jun 24 11:37:59 <loufoque> via email or mms
Jun 24 11:38:08 <Macer> so video chatting is great
Jun 24 11:38:15 <Macer> :)
Jun 24 11:38:23 <loufoque> Macer: get a new son
Jun 24 11:38:24 <DrGrov> Good damn day to you all!
Jun 24 11:38:29 <Kleggas> hahah
Jun 24 11:38:32 <Macer> loufoque: hahaha
Jun 24 11:38:37 <Macer> let me ebay one
Jun 24 11:38:42 <chem|st> Kleggas: with windows skype versions no video yet, with linux (latest beta) I get the video button but nothing happens
Jun 24 11:38:43 <DrGrov> Now the damn drinking starts in order to celebrate vacation starting
Jun 24 11:38:47 <Macer> im sure china has them cheap
Jun 24 11:39:26 <DrGrov> I gotta find a GOOD game for the N900 in order to stand my mother over midsummer
Jun 24 11:39:32 <DrGrov> Any suggestions?
Jun 24 11:39:35 <Kleggas> chem|st: you mean, when you try to use videochat on your n900 with someone sitting on windows/linux skype?
Jun 24 11:39:35 <chem|st> Kleggas: what version is the other end skype?
Jun 24 11:39:43 <chem|st> yeah
Jun 24 11:40:05 <Kleggas> chem|st: oh, well. I only tried videochat with my bro who also runs it on his n900.....
Jun 24 11:40:17 <chem|st> ...
Jun 24 11:40:24 <Wolfie> RST38h: angry birds
Jun 24 11:40:31 <Kleggas> or I think he was on his phone those times...
Jun 24 11:41:07 <chem|st> Kleggas: that works flawless, but where is my video-conference?
Jun 24 11:41:30 <Kleggas> ... someone ate it, perhaps....
Jun 24 11:41:44 <chem|st> grml
Jun 24 11:41:58 <chem|st> later...
Jun 24 11:43:49 <pupnik> loufoque: i think i understand text > voice > video but what context are do you mean?
Jun 24 11:50:32 <mirf> find a bench and play phone
Jun 24 11:52:51 <Kleggas> mirf: play "how"?
Jun 24 11:52:53 <Kleggas> :)
Jun 24 11:53:04 <mirf> dunno
Jun 24 11:53:06 <mirf> we'll see
Jun 24 11:53:14 <mirf> I've unlimited web so the world is my oister I guess
Jun 24 11:53:39 <Kleggas> mirf: I saw an app with a description something like "Measures how hard you throw your n900"... that kind of playing? I wonder how you would be able to see the results after breaking it :p
Jun 24 11:53:50 <mirf> no way
Jun 24 11:53:53 <mirf> I'm not playing that game
Jun 24 11:53:59 <Kleggas> heheh
Jun 24 11:54:20 <crs> Hi, how can I add extra weather stations to omweather? It does not have my city.
Jun 24 11:56:06 <pigeon> does anyone know how much video ram is there on the n900?
Jun 24 11:56:23 <FauxFaux> Wikipedia does.
Jun 24 11:56:41 <FauxFaux> Oh, it doesn't.
Jun 24 11:56:47 <pigeon> or maybe better phased, texture memory for gles
Jun 24 11:56:55 <pexi> n95 has the fastest gpu
Jun 24 11:57:07 <pexi> :)
Jun 24 11:57:13 <Kleggas> it does?
Jun 24 11:57:21 <pexi> so i've read
Jun 24 11:57:33 <pexi> but how to really compare
Jun 24 11:57:34 <chadi> if the meego platform isn't fully open source, how is the community going to port it to the N900?
Jun 24 11:57:54 <pexi> there is already a meego but not gui
Jun 24 11:58:03 <Kleggas> chadi: isn't there allready a n900 version of it? Its being tested on n900
Jun 24 11:58:04 <pexi> so
Jun 24 11:58:04 <pigeon> n900 isn't fully open source anyway is it...
Jun 24 11:58:16 <pexi> its matter of time
Jun 24 11:58:32 <Corsac> well, not only time
Jun 24 11:58:41 <chadi> so Nokia will provide a N900 (ARM) build of Meego, not the community, right?
Jun 24 11:58:43 <pexi> you can even try it just installing meego to usb-stick
Jun 24 11:58:51 <pexi> and running it from there
Jun 24 11:59:18 <chadi> oh and I mean the GUI part
Jun 24 11:59:38 <Kleggas> chadi: Nokia will not support it by pushing it out to all n900 devices, but you will be able to install it manually, or that is the latest I read few weeks ago
Jun 24 12:00:19 <Kleggas> chadi: but Im not 100% sure where I read it, so dont go entirely on my words
Jun 24 12:00:21 <chadi> so in other words, it will not be officially supprted OTA, but it will be possible to flash it or dual boot it
Jun 24 12:00:36 <Kleggas> chadi: thats what I understood
Jun 24 12:01:01 <chadi> yea, thank you for the info...
Jun 24 12:01:03 <Stskeeps> chadi: there is a meego.com team that has a bunch of subcontractors and nokia employees working on the hardware adaptation for n900. nokia also provides (unsupported) closed source repository which contains 3d drivers and other closed bits for n900 owners.
Jun 24 12:01:35 <Stskeeps> MeeGo Core + Handset UX + n900 hardware adaptation (open and closed) = a n900 handset image
Jun 24 12:01:37 <chadi> oh, cool
Jun 24 12:09:59 <tybollt> hmm
Jun 24 12:10:11 <tybollt> white spots - cause for warranty repair? :-o
Jun 24 12:10:21 <tybollt> s/white/bright/
Jun 24 12:10:22 <infobot> tybollt meant: bright spots - cause for warranty repair? :-o
Jun 24 12:12:03 <chem|st> chadi: no offical upgrade that means so no OTA upgrade and no support
Jun 24 12:12:36 <chadi> yea
Jun 24 12:13:22 <chem|st> but thats fine with me, as long as all drivers are available
Jun 24 12:13:44 <chadi> sure, ... and it's as if nokia provides weekly updates OTA :P
Jun 24 12:14:08 <chem|st> right :)
Jun 24 12:14:52 <chadi> by the way, were you able to do injection?
Jun 24 12:14:54 <chem|st> has anyone thought of meego entertainment and server yet?
Jun 24 12:15:03 <Macer> hm
Jun 24 12:15:07 <obsidieth> chadi i did a litle googling, im not sure you vcan
Jun 24 12:15:23 <chem|st> sry maemo I mean
Jun 24 12:15:56 <chadi> the thread about WEP on talk.maemo.org did not reach any solution concerning injection..
Jun 24 12:16:24 <obsidieth> there sa video on youtube of someone using aircrack. maybe not injeting.
Jun 24 12:16:48 <chadi> yeah, the WPA2 crack
Jun 24 12:19:41 <chadi> yesterday, i captured about 65k IVs through an active client on the network, and the battery went from about 70% to 10% in about 30 minutes :P
Jun 24 12:23:55 <timeless_mbp> mirf: oyster fwiw :)
Jun 24 12:24:41 <lcuk> has anyone seen my postit notes
Jun 24 12:25:03 <E0x> what is the time that warranty cover ?
Jun 24 12:25:13 <chem|st> lcuk: yeah someone was sticking them onto the postman's back
Jun 24 12:25:19 <E0x> i check the warranty in the nokia site but i dont understand what say me
Jun 24 12:25:38 <chem|st> E0x: warranty cover is related to the country you are in
Jun 24 12:25:41 <lcuk> thanks chem|st !
Jun 24 12:25:56 <chem|st> lcuk: you are welcome
Jun 24 12:26:15 <E0x> chem|st: well i not buy my self the phone , was buyed in USA
Jun 24 12:26:20 <E0x> and give to me
Jun 24 12:28:01 <_0x47> ok price-question: What would you do if all dependencies are given and program doesn't build in the SDK, but builds on my ubuntu machine?
Jun 24 12:28:01 <chem|st> then USA warranty applies and thats 1 year afaik
Jun 24 12:28:19 <E0x> chem|st: when i check in the page say this:......appears to be within the initial warranty period. This warranty verification covers the following 10 days.
Jun 24 12:28:42 <E0x> f you send your device in for repair after 10 days, please include a copy of the proof of purchase with your device to confirm that your unit is within the warranty period.
Jun 24 12:28:54 <_0x47> http://pastebin.com/zje7E8q4
Jun 24 12:28:58 <MohammadAG> grr, can't find any damn list with sdl keys
Jun 24 12:29:04 <E0x> if i send the device after 10 day of buy it i need the proof the buy ?
Jun 24 12:29:26 <alterego> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/24/iphone4_retail/
Jun 24 12:29:34 <crashanddie> E0x: yes, you may also need some english lessons
Jun 24 12:29:44 <MohammadAG> oh, found one
Jun 24 12:29:53 <E0x> crashanddie: yes english is not my native language
Jun 24 12:30:06 <crashanddie> why is that always the first excuse people use?
Jun 24 12:30:18 <E0x> because is the true maybe ?
Jun 24 12:30:29 <Kleggas> :D
Jun 24 12:30:30 <chem|st> E0x: lol you tried the warranty check?
Jun 24 12:30:30 <E0x> i never go to a school to learn english
Jun 24 12:30:38 <E0x> chem|st: yes
Jun 24 12:31:18 <Kleggas> crashanddie: not all countries have english classes in school :)
Jun 24 12:31:20 <chem|st> E0x: thats just verifying that it is covered "at least" the next then days
Jun 24 12:31:39 <chem|st> if you check in ten days it will tell the same I think
Jun 24 12:32:04 <crashanddie> Kleggas: I didn't learn my English at school either ;)
Jun 24 12:32:23 <chem|st> Kleggas: me neither
Jun 24 12:32:26 <Kleggas> crashanddie: I did, and much more outside :p
Jun 24 12:32:49 <E0x> Kleggas: we have here but is a s**t and you don't learn anything , you need go to a specialized school for really learn
Jun 24 12:33:02 <E0x> chem|st: hehehe
Jun 24 12:33:03 <E0x> ok
Jun 24 12:33:04 <E0x> thx
Jun 24 12:33:48 <chem|st> you learn english by talking and thats the problem in most schools, they do not talk enough
Jun 24 12:34:09 <E0x> i can't talk english
Jun 24 12:34:10 <chem|st> or languages in general
Jun 24 12:34:36 <n900-1> hey guys
Jun 24 12:35:00 <E0x> here is easy learn english if you want because we have a lot of influence of USA
Jun 24 12:35:17 <chem|st> E0x: I was able to write 2k words essays but wasn't able to have a descent conversation
Jun 24 12:35:18 <E0x> tv,culture,etc
Jun 24 12:36:06 <Kleggas> chem|st: true. I have several relatives at the balcan area, they all had english for several years in school and none of them knows one single word english.... What draws my attention more is those who are grown up in countries like Sweden (where Im from) where you have really good teaching in school, everywhere you are exposed to english, and we have amongst highest amount of computers per family, meaning internet = 100% english, and sti
Jun 24 12:36:06 <Kleggas> hear people here that really do not know the language....
Jun 24 12:36:08 <chem|st> E0x: watching english movies/tv and such is good as you get used to the sound
Jun 24 12:36:16 <Kleggas> chem|st: now THAT is something to be afraid of :D
Jun 24 12:37:02 <chem|st> ?
Jun 24 12:37:50 <MohammadAG> question, what's the best key to map 'quit' to if there's no escape button
Jun 24 12:37:54 <chem|st> even if you are not able to speak yet by listening to it you learn to understand it properly
Jun 24 12:38:00 <Kleggas> chem|st: I was just trying to point out that some are not exposed to english in a way that teaches them, while others are and yet don't learn.... nvm :p
Jun 24 12:39:42 <chem|st> ah that you mean, sure but that's the same over here, they are loosing it as english words get mixed up with local language in the wrong way
Jun 24 12:40:06 <chem|st> so they are exposed but with the wrong relation
Jun 24 12:40:09 <Kleggas> :)
Jun 24 12:40:54 <achipa> MohammadAG: proxymity sensor
Jun 24 12:41:17 <chem|st> kids listen to music about deep penetration and like the song, when you tell them it is about rippin of your ass and abuse them, they are shocked...
Jun 24 12:42:20 <Kleggas> lol
Jun 24 12:42:25 <MohammadAG> achipa, lol, I doubt SDL supports that :D
Jun 24 12:43:00 <chem|st> like a 14 year old girl likes ayo technology in the milow remake, she does not know what this song is about and I like to keep it that way for now (poor soul)
Jun 24 12:43:07 <MohammadAG> I tried SDLK_EQUALS, but apparently that's either not =, or the = on the N900 is not a regular SDLK_EQUALS
Jun 24 12:45:47 <achipa> chem|st: oh, you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDCb44O6Euo
Jun 24 12:47:14 <chem|st> achipa: yeap
Jun 24 13:11:58 <MohammadAG> lol http://maemo.org/packages/view/notmynokia/
Jun 24 13:12:28 <obsidieth> whats mynokia?
Jun 24 13:13:37 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366
Jun 24 13:13:38 <povbot> Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user
Jun 24 13:13:45 <MohammadAG> Umm, X-Fade ping?
Jun 24 13:13:47 <SpeedEvil> ...
Jun 24 13:14:05 <MohammadAG> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt failed before it even started
Jun 24 13:14:10 <SpeedEvil> my nokia is a service you are auto-subscribed to in many countries.
Jun 24 13:14:45 <MohammadAG> In some countries, unsbuscribing fails to do anything except take some off your credit
Jun 24 13:15:26 <kW> Does anybody know there the camera application tries to store images when the $MYDOCSDIR directory changed? The camera application seems to report "Memory not accessible. Unable to save content." without cause.
Jun 24 13:15:47 <SpeedEvil> What do you mena by $MYDOCS
Jun 24 13:16:10 <SpeedEvil> It saves on the MMC if mydocs is mounted mass storage
Jun 24 13:17:04 <jacekowski> i think that was problem with permissions
Jun 24 13:17:24 <MohammadAG> <SpeedEvil> What do you mena by $MYDOCS
Jun 24 13:17:38 <MohammadAG> $MYDOCSDIR, an env variable
Jun 24 13:17:47 <MohammadAG> echo $MYDOCSDIR on the N900
Jun 24 13:18:02 <Venemo> hi
Jun 24 13:18:11 <Venemo> could anyone help me with this build log, please?
Jun 24 13:18:12 <Venemo> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sticky-notes_0.1.2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
Jun 24 13:18:14 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# echo $MYDOCSDIR
Jun 24 13:18:14 <MohammadAG> /home/user/MyDocs
Jun 24 13:18:42 <ptl> ugly prompt :P
Jun 24 13:18:45 <ptl> [user@n900 user]% echo $MYDOCSDIR
Jun 24 13:18:52 <MohammadAG> Venemo, add libqt4-dev to build-depends in debian/control
Jun 24 13:19:00 <Venemo> oh
Jun 24 13:19:06 <Venemo> what else?
Jun 24 13:19:12 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# hostname ptl-sucks
Jun 24 13:19:12 <MohammadAG> ptl-sucks:~# echo $MYDOCSDIR
Jun 24 13:19:12 <MohammadAG> /home/user/MyDocs
Jun 24 13:19:18 <ptl> lol
Jun 24 13:19:37 <MohammadAG> Venemo, redo the dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S command and upload it
Jun 24 13:19:39 <Venemo> MohammadAG: is there a way to determine what other stuff should I add to it?
Jun 24 13:19:48 <ptl> export PS1='\e[93m[\e[96m\u\e[92m@\e[96mn900 \e[92m\W\033[93m\]\033[95m%\e[0m '
Jun 24 13:20:03 <MohammadAG> Venemo, get a clean scratchbox install and try to build it :)
Jun 24 13:20:26 <Venemo> MohammadAG: well, that is out of my reach ATM
Jun 24 13:20:29 <Venemo> I use MADDE
Jun 24 13:21:03 <MohammadAG> bleh
Jun 24 13:21:08 <Venemo> MohammadAG: there is no build-depends section in the control file, just a plain depends section whose content is this:
Jun 24 13:21:09 <Venemo> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
Jun 24 13:21:20 <MohammadAG> check the source line
Jun 24 13:21:26 <MohammadAG> should be a paragraph above it
Jun 24 13:21:39 <Venemo> the file begins with
Jun 24 13:21:42 <Venemo> Source: sticky-notes
Jun 24 13:21:55 <MohammadAG> then?
Jun 24 13:22:07 <Venemo> Source: sticky-notes
Jun 24 13:22:07 <Venemo> Section: user/Desktop
Jun 24 13:22:07 <Venemo> Priority: extra
Jun 24 13:22:07 <Venemo> Maintainer: Timur Kristóf (Venemo) <venemo@msn.com>
Jun 24 13:22:07 <Venemo> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5)
Jun 24 13:22:07 <Venemo> Standards-Version: 3.7.3
Jun 24 13:22:08 <Venemo> Homepage: - (not yet)
Jun 24 13:22:08 <Venemo> Package: sticky-notes
Jun 24 13:22:09 <Venemo> Architecture: armel
Jun 24 13:22:09 <Venemo> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
Jun 24 13:22:10 <Venemo> XB-Maemo-Display-Name: Sticky Notes
Jun 24 13:22:17 <ham5> probly blows up
Jun 24 13:22:18 <Venemo> then Description and XB-Maemo-Icon-26
Jun 24 13:22:18 <MohammadAG> ~pastebin
Jun 24 13:22:21 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
Jun 24 13:22:40 <TigerTael> Uhh, come someone tell me why 'gTranslate' is always telling me to 'Please input valid text!'?
Jun 24 13:22:48 <Venemo> MohammadAG: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/eve-watcher/trunk/poc/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/debian/control
Jun 24 13:22:49 <TigerTael> Is there some kind of fix?
Jun 24 13:23:04 <andre__> TigerTael, well, would help to describe what you did before :-P
Jun 24 13:23:10 <MohammadAG> Veggen, Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) <--
Jun 24 13:23:13 <MohammadAG> err
Jun 24 13:23:21 <MohammadAG> Venemo ^, sorry Veggen
Jun 24 13:23:22 <Venemo> oh
Jun 24 13:23:25 <TigerTael> andre__, used the application?
Jun 24 13:23:44 <Venemo> MohammadAG: errr... i accidentally left case-sensitivity on when I searched
Jun 24 13:23:54 <MohammadAG> :)
Jun 24 13:23:56 <andre__> TigerTael: like starting it and not opening any file and getting that error message straight after start?
Jun 24 13:24:14 <TigerTael> andre__, no, you input the text on either the right or left field and press translate...
Jun 24 13:24:27 <Stskeeps> w00t
Jun 24 13:24:33 <Stskeeps> er, wrong button
Jun 24 13:24:37 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 24 13:24:46 <Venemo> MohammadAG: is this OK?
Jun 24 13:24:51 <andre__> TigerTael: without providing *clear* steps: No, can't help
Jun 24 13:25:00 <lcuk> Stskeeps, you have a dedicate w00t button!
Jun 24 13:25:01 <Venemo> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) libqt4-dev (>=4.6) mce-dev hildon-notify-dev
Jun 24 13:25:05 <MohammadAG> TigerTael, broken here too, Google changed there api I guess
Jun 24 13:25:25 <Venemo> MohammadAG: should I add versions to mce-dev and hildon-notify-dev, too?
Jun 24 13:25:29 <TigerTael> andre__, 1. Open application 2. Select language to translate from 3. Select language to translate to 4. Enter text in target field 5. press translate.
Jun 24 13:25:30 <TigerTael> Jesus.
Jun 24 13:25:31 <MohammadAG> Venemo, don't see why you need to version libqt4-dev since it's 4.6.2 by default
Jun 24 13:25:44 <MohammadAG> Venemo, no, take out the version for libqt4-dev :)
Jun 24 13:25:49 <Venemo> MohammadAG: okay
Jun 24 13:25:54 <Venemo> MohammadAG: the others?
Jun 24 13:26:01 <MohammadAG> keep them as they are
Jun 24 13:26:05 <MohammadAG> umm
Jun 24 13:26:05 <MohammadAG> wait
Jun 24 13:26:09 <MohammadAG> add commas, didn't notice that
Jun 24 13:26:23 <MohammadAG> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, mce-dev, hildon-notify-dev
Jun 24 13:26:57 <N900rulz> URGENT REQUEST ***** where (or how) can I on my N900 follow live TEXT play by play of the world cup games? The FIFA one doesn't work. I dont want video, i want text play by play. Sorry I'm driving right now cant research on google. HELP !
Jun 24 13:27:23 <Termana> Can't do googling?
Jun 24 13:27:27 <jacekowski> N900rulz: don't text while driving
Jun 24 13:27:29 <Termana> Yet your DRIVING AND IRCING
Jun 24 13:27:50 <ManoftheSea> seems dangerous.  Text play-by-play?  Like, a twitter feed?
Jun 24 13:27:54 <lcuk> N900rulz, IRC whilst driving?
Jun 24 13:27:57 <ManoftheSea> there should be an IRC channel for that.
Jun 24 13:28:03 <Stskeeps> N900rulz: why are you always driving and ircing?
Jun 24 13:28:05 <andre__> N900rulz: I've heard that IRC is text too, just like Google. But let me quickly google if that's really true...
Jun 24 13:28:09 <lcuk> also, reading text stream WHILST DRIVING?
Jun 24 13:28:21 <lcuk> N900rulz, ##world-cup
Jun 24 13:28:24 <Venemo> MohammadAG: okay, thanks
Jun 24 13:28:28 <N900rulz> SPARE ME THE MORALIZING PLEASE...TEXTING ON IRC IS EASY....PLEASE HELP !!!
Jun 24 13:28:38 <Venemo> MohammadAG: if the app uses gconf, then gconf-dev and so on?
Jun 24 13:28:40 <lcuk> N900rulz, then join ##world-cup
Jun 24 13:28:42 <MohammadAG> caps is more dangerous while driving
Jun 24 13:28:46 <lcuk> it has running text of everything
Jun 24 13:28:54 <andre__> N900rulz: so Google is more complicated? I'm impressed about your typing skills then. ;-)
Jun 24 13:28:58 <TigerTael> andre__, 1. Open application 2. Select language to translate from 3. Select language to translate to 4. Enter text in target field 5. press translate.
Jun 24 13:28:59 <N900rulz> lcuk: what network they on?
Jun 24 13:29:10 <tybollt> N900rulz: on this server
Jun 24 13:29:21 <lcuk> this one
Jun 24 13:29:22 <tybollt> N900rulz: join me there we're reporting for ya right now
Jun 24 13:29:23 <MohammadAG> Venemo, no, the -dev packages contain headers, .h files, if the app #include(s) them then you need them in build-depends
Jun 24 13:29:25 <ptl> I also type on IRC while driving sometimes
Jun 24 13:29:28 <N900rulz> ok....thanks
Jun 24 13:29:57 <andre__> I sometimes read the newspaper while driving a car. Guess I'm oldschool.
Jun 24 13:29:58 <lcuk> i can barely change radio station let along have a conversation
Jun 24 13:29:59 <MohammadAG> andre__, I guess the API was changed, it was working for me before
Jun 24 13:30:07 <lcuk> dont you also need 2 hands to type on n900
Jun 24 13:30:16 <lcuk> or has he got proto vkb?
Jun 24 13:30:18 <N900rulz> GUYS DONT WORRY ... I AM A MASTER AT MULTITASKING ....BUT GOOGLING AND RESEARCHING IS HARDER WHEN DRIVING
Jun 24 13:30:20 <MohammadAG> no, I can type with one hand
Jun 24 13:30:42 <lcuk> N900rulz, you mean you are a lazy liar?
Jun 24 13:30:55 <N900rulz> IRC IS SIMPLE AND EASY....JUST LIKE TEXTING....NO WORRIES
Jun 24 13:31:05 <Stskeeps> stop using caps
Jun 24 13:31:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 13:31:13 <MohammadAG> +1 on that
Jun 24 13:31:14 <lcuk> stop using irc
Jun 24 13:31:23 <Termana> I think what he is really trying to say is that he is a big moron
Jun 24 13:31:24 <ptl> doesn't caps lock work when driving?
Jun 24 13:31:26 <jacekowski> N900rulz: i hope when you die you don't hurt anybody
Jun 24 13:31:32 <lcuk> GAN900, technical input please - can you happily use n900 with one hand and type that fast?
Jun 24 13:31:34 <MohammadAG> LOL
Jun 24 13:31:38 <jacekowski> N900rulz: and you will die in lot of pain
Jun 24 13:31:56 <jacekowski> lcuk: he's probably holding it with both hands
Jun 24 13:31:58 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I get 30WPM with one hand
Jun 24 13:32:02 <N900rulz> why are u guys so mean???? there is nobody here on the road....its quiet streets....no worries
Jun 24 13:32:20 <Termana> no worries. Oops you hit that old lady
Jun 24 13:32:21 <lcuk> N900rulz, common sense
Jun 24 13:32:31 <ptl> it's fun to be mean.... and I don't know the answer
Jun 24 13:32:33 <Termana> Meow
Jun 24 13:32:34 <Termana> there goes the cat
Jun 24 13:32:39 <andre__> N900rulz: Maybe it's just that Google is really not harder than IRC?
Jun 24 13:32:40 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 24 13:32:42 <ptl> I am brazilian and I hate soccer
Jun 24 13:32:45 <lcuk> i would like to know where you are so i can stay the hell out of your town
Jun 24 13:32:50 <N900rulz> im holding the n900 and wheel at the same time aand i can type without looking on the keayboard
Jun 24 13:33:03 <w00t_> Stskeeps
Jun 24 13:33:05 <ptl> can you read without looking at the screen?
Jun 24 13:33:06 <jacekowski> N900rulz: what about looking at the road?
Jun 24 13:33:07 <w00t_> er, wrong button
Jun 24 13:33:11 <Termana> Must be an iPhone user
Jun 24 13:33:19 <ptl> maybe you use espeak for listening to IRC also :)
Jun 24 13:33:42 <ptl> pelota app does that?
Jun 24 13:33:43 <N900rulz> i quickly glance at the screen but most of the time i loook on the road
Jun 24 13:33:54 <timeless_mbp> Hey, has anyone asked for notmynokia to be pushed to testing?
Jun 24 13:34:16 <Termana> I haz haxored N900rulz's n900, I can see true hes camra. Big apple logo on back
Jun 24 13:34:19 <Termana> :P
Jun 24 13:34:29 <N900rulz> so you guys tell me honestly yous never drive and sms? honestly please.
Jun 24 13:34:36 <jacekowski> N900rulz: no
Jun 24 13:34:40 <MohammadAG> I don't drive
Jun 24 13:34:44 <ptl> I said I did, N900rulz
Jun 24 13:34:50 <Termana> MohammadAG, lies
Jun 24 13:34:58 <MohammadAG> Termana, 16, can't have a license
Jun 24 13:34:59 <N900rulz> lier lier pants on firee - jacekowski
Jun 24 13:35:01 <jacekowski> Termana: he doesn't have driving license
Jun 24 13:35:01 <Termana> MohammadAG, you drive - me up the wall
Jun 24 13:35:04 <Termana> :P
Jun 24 13:35:04 <jacekowski> N900rulz: nope
Jun 24 13:35:05 <Termana> kidding
Jun 24 13:35:12 <MohammadAG> Termana, rofl
Jun 24 13:35:16 <jacekowski> N900rulz: i have phone in ashtray above radio
Jun 24 13:35:17 <ptl> and I don't know the answer to your question because I don't like soccer... there's an app called pelota though and there are some recipes for queen beacon widget
Jun 24 13:35:24 <jacekowski> N900rulz: so i can listen to music from fmtx
Jun 24 13:35:25 <N900rulz> its innocent. stop making a big deal out of it
Jun 24 13:35:35 <Termana> its innocent
Jun 24 13:35:37 <auenf> wtf, i cant change the ip address for my email account without deleting it and putting it in again?
Jun 24 13:35:37 <Termana> honestly officer
Jun 24 13:35:44 <jacekowski> N900rulz: and disable gsm because it makes annoying noises in my radio
Jun 24 13:35:55 <flailingmonkey> I met a guy a couple weeka
Jun 24 13:35:56 * wazd 's trying to find parts of his brain after meego song meditation
Jun 24 13:36:13 <MiXu-_> I've written stuff a few times while driving. Not innocent. :)
Jun 24 13:36:15 <Stskeeps> wazd: audio could have been better
Jun 24 13:36:19 <MiXu-_> Almost hit a curb once
Jun 24 13:36:22 <achipa> soccer... annoying noises... hmmm....  http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.maemo.org
Jun 24 13:36:32 <ptl> stop trolling him, this makes it even more probable that he crashes his car
Jun 24 13:36:35 <flailingmonkey> weeks back, and he died later that night because he was texting while driving on highway, plowed right into median
Jun 24 13:36:45 <wazd> Stskeeps: let's wait for LP :D
Jun 24 13:36:46 <Termana> ptl, teach him a lesson
Jun 24 13:37:04 <ptl> I can't, I also don't know the lesson
Jun 24 13:37:09 <ptl> I also drive and type
Jun 24 13:37:13 <N900rulz> thanks for your help dudes....that widget is shit by the way
Jun 24 13:37:15 <GAN900> Ha, what great advertising
Jun 24 13:37:28 <Termana> ptl, I meant, crashing his car will teach him a lesson
Jun 24 13:37:35 <Termana> ptl, also, don't.
Jun 24 13:37:42 <GAN900> One of the waiters from a local restaurant rushed the field in South Africa
Jun 24 13:37:42 <ptl> it won't, because he'll die
Jun 24 13:37:50 <MohammadAG> me too, except I'm on my PS3
Jun 24 13:37:51 <ptl> dead people have learnt nothing
Jun 24 13:38:05 <GAN900> So the restaurant is giving free margaritas to anybody who says "Viva Joe"
Jun 24 13:38:27 <ptl> don't say that. I love margaritas and I'm doing the atkins diet.
Jun 24 13:38:31 <ptl> :( can't drink
Jun 24 13:38:40 <jacekowski> ptl: one more moron eliminated from gene pool
Jun 24 13:38:46 <Termana> ptl, if he dies, he's teaching everyone else a lesson at least
Jun 24 13:38:46 <timeless_mbp> N900rulz: i don't
Jun 24 13:38:51 * timeless_mbp doesn't drive at all
Jun 24 13:38:53 <GAN900> lol, Atkins.
Jun 24 13:39:10 <Termana> timeless_mbp, private jet I assume? :P
Jun 24 13:39:12 <ptl> I'm dumb enough that if he dies he won't teach me a lesson
Jun 24 13:39:23 <lcuk> Termana, i dont give a damn about him, its anyone else he might inconvenience
Jun 24 13:39:28 <N900rulz> why yous all so mean ??????
Jun 24 13:39:34 <GAN900> achipa, elgato released a patch for EyeTV that includes a Vuvuzela filter.
Jun 24 13:39:34 <lcuk> ie: cleaner having to sweep up his eyeballs
Jun 24 13:39:59 <Termana> lcuk, heh, I think if he runs over someone its going to be a little more than an inconvenience
Jun 24 13:40:02 <jacekowski> ptl: then you will die
Jun 24 13:40:10 <ptl> :(
Jun 24 13:40:10 <timeless_mbp> Termana: nah, i walk :)
Jun 24 13:40:13 <Termana> "Ouch, you ran over me! What an inconvenience"
Jun 24 13:40:14 <ptl> some day I will
Jun 24 13:40:15 <jacekowski> ptl: and that's how evolution works
Jun 24 13:40:17 <ptl> every one of us will
Jun 24 13:40:19 <jacekowski> ptl: and natural selection
Jun 24 13:40:39 <lcuk> Termana, i was avoiding that incase hes alone on a country road
Jun 24 13:40:46 <ptl> jacekowski: evolution is bullshit, I am adept of intelligent design
Jun 24 13:40:58 <achipa> GAN900: but... does it run on Linux ? :)
Jun 24 13:41:08 <ptl> (just kidding, I just finished my master degree in molecular philogeny)
Jun 24 13:41:08 <jacekowski> ptl: intelligent design is a bullshit
Jun 24 13:41:14 <N900rulz> one more question.....if i wanted to send yous all a pic here on irce whats the comand in xchat?
Jun 24 13:41:21 <GAN900> achipa, no. :P
Jun 24 13:41:26 <lcuk> andre__, another community patch on its way through :)
Jun 24 13:41:29 <ptl> N900rulz: /dcc send nickname /path/to/picture
Jun 24 13:41:42 <Termana> N900rulz, difficult to send it to the whole room
Jun 24 13:41:50 <lcuk> this one is for bug 7256
Jun 24 13:41:52 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7256 Maemo should use en_GB as default fallback in locales
Jun 24 13:41:56 <MohammadAG> /dcc send #maemo ?
Jun 24 13:41:58 <jacekowski> imageshac + paste a link
Jun 24 13:41:58 <Termana> N900rulz, it would be better to upload it to imageshack or something and give us the link
Jun 24 13:42:01 <MohammadAG> just a guess btw
Jun 24 13:42:02 <andre__> lcuk, nice
Jun 24 13:42:05 <GAN900> Termana, he's got all the time in the world while driving.
Jun 24 13:42:07 <Termana> MohammadAG, I don't think that works
Jun 24 13:44:05 <achipa> soooo... what's the difference between "Forum Nokia Projects" and garage (either Maemo or whatever MeeGo garage will actually be) ?
Jun 24 13:44:24 <timeless_mbp> form nokia is run by your friends at forum nokia
Jun 24 13:44:33 <achipa> (apart from dput style stuff and Extras, obviously)
Jun 24 13:44:40 <N900rulz> oooops.....cops
Jun 24 13:45:00 <flailingmonkey> fail
Jun 24 13:45:02 <Termana> WIN!
Jun 24 13:45:15 <flailingmonkey> timeless_mbp: you work on mozilla stuff right?
Jun 24 13:45:21 <N900rulz> dude didnt see me..... lol
Jun 24 13:45:24 <timeless_mbp> yes
Jun 24 13:45:27 <Termana> fail
Jun 24 13:45:39 <achipa> timeless_mbp: I know that, was thinking in community terms, as there was this how cool MeeGo garage will be talk, only to turn into silence...
Jun 24 13:45:49 <Termana> Your meant to let him chase you and give you a big fine
Jun 24 13:46:29 <N900rulz> funny thing is cops themselves text and drive....see them all tthe time bastards
Jun 24 13:46:40 <timeless_mbp> achipa: i've never found garage.maemo.org to be wonderful
Jun 24 13:46:40 <GAN900> achipa, no worries, if you want to use Forum Nokia, you gotta have liability insurance. :P
Jun 24 13:46:54 <timeless_mbp> but i've used it
Jun 24 13:47:01 <timeless_mbp> i have no interest in FN
Jun 24 13:47:06 <lcuk> N900rulz, can i ask, since you are driving - why are you using a rogers cable ip?
Jun 24 13:47:09 <timeless_mbp> beyond the fact that they shipped an n810 to a friend for me
Jun 24 13:47:23 <mirf> is there a more straight forward was to use network over usb than cygwin?
Jun 24 13:47:26 <N900rulz> I am not... i am on my n900 through edge
Jun 24 13:47:36 <lcuk> thats not what your ip says
Jun 24 13:47:47 <achipa> timeless_mbp: well, it's not exactly if we were encouraged to develop further garage.maemo.org...
Jun 24 13:47:50 <N900rulz> lcuk: check your shit and stop implying i'm liying
Jun 24 13:48:06 <N900rulz> lcuk: shall is send you a screenshot?
Jun 24 13:48:11 <achipa> s/if/as if/
Jun 24 13:48:11 <ManoftheSea> lcuk, there are other alternatives.
Jun 24 13:48:11 <infobot> achipa meant: timeless_mbp: well, it's not exactly as if we were encouraged to develop further garage.maemo.org...
Jun 24 13:48:22 <timeless_mbp> :)
Jun 24 13:48:22 <ManoftheSea> I mean, I'm not actually at my IRC IP right now either.
Jun 24 13:48:44 <ManoftheSea> I'm SSH+screen'd into my home.
Jun 24 13:48:54 <lcuk> N900rulz, actually no i'd rather not, you arent concentrating enough as it is
Jun 24 13:49:11 <flailingmonkey> we're in a vaccuum, and so nothing will happen without that being filled by authoritative information, or someone takes charge in their own way
Jun 24 13:49:16 * lcuk goes ack to other places
Jun 24 13:49:18 <N900rulz> why woud i lie.... i am not at home
Jun 24 13:49:18 <timeless_mbp> ManoftheSea: please don't encourage him
Jun 24 13:49:33 <timeless_mbp> so it's ok to lie from home?
Jun 24 13:49:43 <Termana> lol
Jun 24 13:50:10 <Termana> 100 internets for you timeless_mbp
Jun 24 13:50:33 <achipa> but it's a sad sort of fun to see meego.com try to be primarily a home to Qt developers, considering FN, qtcentre et al
Jun 24 13:50:40 <N900rulz> lcuk where are you???
Jun 24 13:50:56 <MohammadAG> mars, same solar system
Jun 24 13:51:24 <timeless_mbp> wouldn't FN be a home for Java devs? :)
Jun 24 13:51:26 <achipa> mars means 'get outta here' in some languages
Jun 24 13:51:47 <lcuk> N900rulz, thankfully on another continent to you
Jun 24 13:51:50 <lcuk> thats scary
Jun 24 13:51:52 <Termana> achipa, mars
Jun 24 13:52:20 <N900rulz> i am here on studies....goin back tou europe soon !!!!
Jun 24 13:53:13 <Termana> N900rulz, oh I see, so your driving to Europe from the US? I hadn't realised they invented cars to do that.
Jun 24 13:53:22 <achipa> Termana: you/M-AG mean Mars, but let's not be grammar nazis
Jun 24 13:53:24 <Termana> :P
Jun 24 13:53:50 <N900rulz> no....Im drivin from to school to where i live...in july i fly back to europe
Jun 24 13:54:44 <Termana> N900rulz, so your home is in europe?
Jun 24 13:54:47 <N900rulz> the n900 is not mine i borrowed it... i gonna buy one when im in europe
Jun 24 13:55:29 <achipa> timeless_mbp: Java? Well, they did kinda join the Qt push lately (or so I hear/see).
Jun 24 13:56:00 <N900rulz> lcuk: im still waiting for the apology buddy ;-)
Jun 24 13:56:18 <Termana> hah
Jun 24 13:56:56 <MohammadAG> N900rulz, you'll get it when PR1.5 arrives :)
Jun 24 13:56:57 <lcuk> N900rulz, pull over to the side of the road whilst talking and i will apologise
Jun 24 13:57:10 <jacekowski> it seems that recently there is more suicidal people on this channel
Jun 24 13:57:17 <N900rulz> lcuk: just kidding mate....
Jun 24 13:57:18 <jacekowski> there was that canadian bloke couple days ago
Jun 24 13:57:21 <lcuk> no jacekowski hes not the first
Jun 24 13:57:29 <N900rulz> (about aologizing)
Jun 24 13:57:37 <Termana> N900rulz, do you know your number plate?
Jun 24 13:57:52 <MohammadAG> 14M1337900
Jun 24 13:58:29 <MohammadAG> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt any ideas? anyone?
Jun 24 13:58:32 <Termana> MohammadAG, :P I see what you did there
Jun 24 13:58:40 <N900rulz> guys let me ask you a question: i am not a linux geek like yous all....am i annoying yous by coming here?
Jun 24 13:58:41 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: builder is broken probably
Jun 24 14:00:03 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-June/thread.html some packages were successful between my 2 failed ones
Jun 24 14:00:25 <lcuk> MohammadAG, you spelt urgency wrong in the changelog
Jun 24 14:00:52 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: yeah, lrn2spl
Jun 24 14:00:55 * MohammadAG bangs head on desk
Jun 24 14:01:03 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: couple more times
Jun 24 14:01:36 * MohammadAG shoots jacekowski 
Jun 24 14:02:06 <jacekowski> you missed
Jun 24 14:02:31 * MohammadAG fires a nuke at jacekowski 
Jun 24 14:02:32 <achipa> it's because of all the headbanging. Shoot first, THEN bang head
Jun 24 14:03:11 <lcuk> wheres han solo when you need him
Jun 24 14:03:33 <RST38h> helo lcuk
Jun 24 14:04:20 <lcuk> 250 lcuk Hello RST38h
Jun 24 14:04:31 <pigeon> anyone uses shortcutd with the proximity sensor?
Jun 24 14:06:26 <flailingmonkey> frozen bubble would be awesome :)
Jun 24 14:06:38 <mirf> why on earth is the charging port on TOP of the phone?
Jun 24 14:06:56 <mirf> ludicrous
Jun 24 14:07:13 <nidO> well, another way to look at it is that it's on the left end of the tablet
Jun 24 14:08:14 <MohammadAG> the N86 has the USB port on top too
Jun 24 14:08:26 <MohammadAG> but yeah, the N900 has it on the left side
Jun 24 14:11:30 <flailingmonkey> well, it can't be on at the bottom of the keyboard, because then you couldn't charge while using its kickstand
Jun 24 14:11:53 <pigeon> hmm, that's the first time i've seen this: "Malfunction! Device shutdown in 10s"
Jun 24 14:11:54 <achipa> flailingmonkey: what kickstand ?
Jun 24 14:12:05 <nidO> theres only one kickstand on an n900
Jun 24 14:12:12 <flailingmonkey> perhaps switching the lock switch and headphones would have been possible
Jun 24 14:12:35 <flailingmonkey> s/headphones/headphones with the usb port/
Jun 24 14:12:36 <infobot> flailingmonkey meant: perhaps switching the lock switch and headphones with the usb port would have been possible
Jun 24 14:14:30 <MohammadAG> someone should really fix the i386 version of maemo-optify
Jun 24 14:14:30 <flailingmonkey> my guess is that the headphone port only fit where it is right now, and the usb next to the headphone port might have had too much noise
Jun 24 14:14:32 <MohammadAG> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt
Jun 24 14:15:16 <achipa> what flailingmonkey says, power electronics and sound are not friends
Jun 24 14:15:36 <achipa> (not impossible, but a lot more difficult to do right)
Jun 24 14:16:57 <achipa> still, this black plasting thingy is no replacement for the N810 kickstand, USB charging be damned
Jun 24 14:17:48 <lcuk> this is awesome; vuvuzela in DOOM !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPPyjtw5WU
Jun 24 14:18:17 <jacekowski> lcuk: niggerhorn*
Jun 24 14:19:13 <lcuk> get lost jacekowski, theres no need for racism
Jun 24 14:19:58 <mirf> what is it with this chan ?
Jun 24 14:20:14 <MohammadAG> most of us don't do drugs
Jun 24 14:20:22 <nidO> some of us do
Jun 24 14:21:39 <lcuk> mirf active moderators sometimes would be good, sometimes feel like i would kick some folks
Jun 24 14:21:40 <flailingmonkey> jacekowski just really likes that term, makes him feel edgy and hip
Jun 24 14:21:56 <lcuk> jacekowski would be gone right now for instance
Jun 24 14:22:17 <mirf> mm
Jun 24 14:22:19 * MohammadAG ops lcuk 
Jun 24 14:22:21 <_0x47> Could someone explain me why this happens? http://pastebin.com/B0nTXv7n It found boostlib but could not link?
Jun 24 14:22:21 <flailingmonkey> who is sop on #maemo
Jun 24 14:22:25 <mirf> and that hkuy guy yesterday,,,
Jun 24 14:22:30 <mirf> *khuy
Jun 24 14:22:36 * MohammadAG wishes he could do that - oh well
Jun 24 14:22:52 <mirf> gaaahhh I can't wait to get home
Jun 24 14:23:02 <mirf> I wanna play n900
Jun 24 14:23:34 <n900-1> can anyone give me a clue to how to convert qt creator project into MADDE compileable thing?
Jun 24 14:23:36 <MohammadAG> do something wacky at work, get fired, ???, profit... errr
Jun 24 14:25:37 <amigadave> _0x47: check config.log which should give you a more verbose error message
Jun 24 14:25:44 <_0x47> k thanks
Jun 24 14:26:37 <_0x47> amigadave: that's kinda cryptic, let me pastebin it
Jun 24 14:26:55 <_0x47> amigadave: http://pastebin.com/14FjTCJw
Jun 24 14:27:21 <achipa> n900-1: add a Maemo target ? Provided your QtCreator is from the Nokia Qt SDK
Jun 24 14:28:16 <amigadave> _0x47: and that is the whole file? it should normally be quite long, 100 lines say
Jun 24 14:28:20 <amigadave> 1000
Jun 24 14:28:57 <_0x47> amigadave: oh sry, I just took the last lines, let me paste the whole thing.
Jun 24 14:30:10 <luke-jr> anyone here good with non-electronic coding?
Jun 24 14:30:15 <_0x47> amigadave: here we go: http://pastebin.com/HRQMYSQN
Jun 24 14:31:07 <n900-1> umm, achipa thanks for the reply. I have madde setup, and i can build test hello application and deploy to n900 through command line and run stuff and test. Now I want to take some small application from the qt creator installed on my pc, lets say the Address Book part 1 example which only has 2 text boxes, compile it through madde and deploy to n900 and run.
Jun 24 14:31:20 <jacekowski> lcuk: you mean like a punch card coding or something?
Jun 24 14:31:42 <luke-jr> jacekowski: no, even simpler XD
Jun 24 14:31:58 <jacekowski> luke-jr: programming a washing machine?
Jun 24 14:31:59 <luke-jr> jacekowski: I want an object to fall down the side of my wall over a period of 12 hours
Jun 24 14:32:15 <luke-jr> so far my only idea is a floating ball, and a slow leak
Jun 24 14:32:27 <jacekowski> luke-jr: that will make it slow down
Jun 24 14:32:36 <jacekowski> as less water means less pressure
Jun 24 14:32:42 <luke-jr> :(
Jun 24 14:32:59 <jacekowski> so if you calibrate it that 1l would be 1h
Jun 24 14:33:11 <jacekowski> then 10l would be something around 3h
Jun 24 14:33:12 <luke-jr> need a constant rate
Jun 24 14:33:23 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: added tsc2005 to my set of patches
Jun 24 14:33:27 <luke-jr> or at least near-constant
Jun 24 14:34:01 <jacekowski> luke-jr: you would need something like an old clock
Jun 24 14:34:07 <jacekowski> luke-jr: and tweak it little bit
Jun 24 14:34:38 <amigadave> _0x47: i guess from line 495 and 548 that you are building against the same libstdc++ as boost was built against?
Jun 24 14:35:39 <_0x47> amigadave: yes
Jun 24 14:35:42 <achipa> n900-1: but is that qt creator a standalone one or part of the Nokia Qt SDK (it does matter)
Jun 24 14:36:52 <n900-1> stand alone one
Jun 24 14:36:55 <_0x47> amigadave: i installed some debian packages to satisfy dependencies. see the list here: http://pastebin.com/f6nJzVR7
Jun 24 14:37:14 <achipa> n900-1: if you ask me you should not bother with using MADDE manually... the QtCreator from the aforementioned SDK will deal with Madde and deployment...
Jun 24 14:37:21 <_0x47> after that no complains were left
Jun 24 14:37:45 <n900-1> yea ... i'll be downloding the 1.0 sdk tonight :) .. but just too excited to run the sample
Jun 24 14:38:00 <n900-1> achipa: its giving the error >> cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading ..
Jun 24 14:38:50 <n900-1> and i have googled so i'm at a page where this guys is saying that the changlog file should be created in the staging area
Jun 24 14:38:58 <n900-1> the webpage says "The debian directory is found in the package staging area used by MADDE. The staging area is where the package is prepared and assembled. The changelog file should be created in the debian directory at that place."
Jun 24 14:39:07 <n900-1> where is that area can you specify ?
Jun 24 14:39:25 <n900-1> i'm using windows 7 32 bits
Jun 24 14:40:32 <N900rulz> freak my dad gonna kill me
Jun 24 14:40:43 <jacekowski> N900rulz: have you crashed his car?
Jun 24 14:41:01 <N900rulz> i put $1000 on the italy game and they are losing !!!!
Jun 24 14:41:13 <Stskeeps> heh, serves you right
Jun 24 14:41:14 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 14:41:16 <jacekowski> that's even worse
Jun 24 14:41:28 <Stskeeps> and who'd bet on italy? ;p
Jun 24 14:41:35 <N900rulz> now i have to ask him for more $$$$ he gonna freak
Jun 24 14:41:49 <jacekowski> i never spend money on gambling like that
Jun 24 14:42:02 <N900rulz> freak !!!!!!!!
Jun 24 14:42:11 <jacekowski> i would just get rid of you
Jun 24 14:42:37 <jacekowski> and tell you to never come back
Jun 24 14:42:52 <N900rulz> sorry guys i know its not linux but my ass is on the line.....f**k !!!!
Jun 24 14:43:00 <yuizy> $1000 :D
Jun 24 14:43:06 <yuizy> sorry
Jun 24 14:43:07 <N900rulz> yes.....fack
Jun 24 14:43:09 <jacekowski> well, i would never gave you $1000 in a first place
Jun 24 14:43:11 <Stskeeps> N900evil: sell him your car and n900
Jun 24 14:43:12 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 14:43:15 <_0x47> amigadave: are you still alive?
Jun 24 14:43:20 <N900rulz> now i gotta pay rent and food.....
Jun 24 14:43:32 <jacekowski> N900rulz: just die
Jun 24 14:43:53 <jacekowski> N900rulz: it's your fault, live with consequences
Jun 24 14:44:04 <N900rulz> it was money for rent and food andd ticket back ghome.....
Jun 24 14:44:04 <amigadave> _0x47: just trying to find that symbol, have not come across it so far...
Jun 24 14:44:22 <_0x47> amigadave: oh well, take your time, just was worried :P Thanks!
Jun 24 14:44:28 <N900rulz> the game is not over yet......go italy !
Jun 24 14:44:40 <_0x47> fking italy will lose
Jun 24 14:45:13 <N900rulz> my dad will disown me... he gonna have a hart attck
Jun 24 14:45:39 <_0x47> wtf it's your fault, live with it and bet less next time
Jun 24 14:45:46 <_0x47> or just don't bet
Jun 24 14:46:11 <N900rulz> but odds were good i needed $$$$
Jun 24 14:46:26 <N900rulz> freak i am worried old man will lose it
Jun 24 14:47:23 <_0x47> lol stfu now, he's prolly not gonna die
Jun 24 14:47:42 <flailingmonkey> he's just going to facepalm
Jun 24 14:47:55 <flailingmonkey> and then facepalm your face
Jun 24 14:48:31 <N900rulz> you dont get it....my old man is very strict...pickle up his ass he has
Jun 24 14:48:36 <jacekowski> i would do DNA test after that
Jun 24 14:48:48 <jacekowski> just to make sure it's my son
Jun 24 14:49:31 <N900rulz> plus im not doing too good in school either....fack when it rains it pours
Jun 24 14:49:35 <_0x47> i guess italy's gonna win anyways, so maybe just wait and see?
Jun 24 14:49:43 <N900rulz> ok
Jun 24 14:49:46 <_0x47> thanks
Jun 24 14:50:00 <jacekowski> N900rulz: maybe that's because you're stupid
Jun 24 14:51:01 <N900rulz> jacekowski: rude bastard... i have more money than u ever will have in your fucken life
Jun 24 14:51:26 <TigerTael> lol
Jun 24 14:51:34 <Stskeeps> N900rulz: you sound awfully lot like a spoiled brat indeed
Jun 24 14:51:46 <amigadave> _0x47: it appears that you are using the scratchbox gcc (4.2.1) and not the gcc from the packages that you downloaded
Jun 24 14:52:00 <amigadave> which would probably explain the missing symbol
Jun 24 14:53:00 <mirf> hahahaha
Jun 24 14:53:13 <mirf> most fun thing so far... telnet star wars
Jun 24 14:53:18 <jacekowski> N900rulz: but you just said that you can't afford a rent
Jun 24 14:55:18 <N900rulz> jacekowski: my old man doesnt like me wastin $1000 like that....look i dont mean to argue with yous
Jun 24 14:58:06 <Kegetys> if you are rich then pay it from your own pocket and dont tell him
Jun 24 14:58:18 <MohammadAG> e-yes, ping, again?
Jun 24 14:59:17 <luke-jr> N900rulz: money and stupid are not exclusive
Jun 24 14:59:21 <_0x47> amigadave: are you sure, let me verify
Jun 24 15:00:04 <amigadave> _0x47: checking config.log, there is only mention of gcc 4.2.1
Jun 24 15:00:44 <amigadave> it seems that package accepts boost 1.36 anyway, so the boost version in extras-devel might be sufficient (1.38)
Jun 24 15:00:51 <amigadave> but i am not sure
Jun 24 15:01:03 <_0x47> amigadave: hm, it said "Preparing to replace gcc-4.4-base 4.4.4-5 (using gcc-4.4-base_4.4.4-5_armel.deb) ..." that seems to be already 4.4.
Jun 24 15:01:26 <_0x47> build fails with 1.38 tho, hence the try with 1.42
Jun 24 15:02:21 <e-yes> MohammadAG, icmp response:)
Jun 24 15:02:36 <_0x47> trying again atm as it seemed to install the gcc instead of saying it's already there
Jun 24 15:02:43 <_0x47> amigadave: no, same error
Jun 24 15:02:54 <MohammadAG> e-yes, I got your patches from gitorious yesterday, they break the ts in maemo :)
Jun 24 15:03:02 <Stskeeps> .. wtf are you doing
Jun 24 15:03:13 <_0x47> amigadave: how can I ensure that it uses gcc 4.4 instead of 4.2?
Jun 24 15:03:21 <amigadave> _0x47: you will probably not be able to replace the toolchain in scratchbox without major surgery
Jun 24 15:03:42 <e-yes> MohammadAG, aha, you have to left old modules in Maemo, especially ts.
Jun 24 15:03:54 <_0x47> 0x47: i feel like i have to if I ever want to build that POS...
Jun 24 15:04:17 <jacekowski> amigadave: it's quite easy
Jun 24 15:04:26 <jacekowski> amigadave: toolchain is in one devkit
Jun 24 15:04:28 <amigadave> _0x47: what was the build error with boost 1.38?
Jun 24 15:04:32 <jacekowski> amigadave: so you just need to build one
Jun 24 15:04:35 <MohammadAG> e-yes, tsc2005? so basically I need to have the ts modules for maemo when loading maemo and the android one when loading android?
Jun 24 15:04:42 <jacekowski> amigadave: and add another devkit
Jun 24 15:04:46 <e-yes> ts ccontains patches for android. unfortunately, android expects slightly different ts coord. range
Jun 24 15:04:48 <MohammadAG> e-yes, oh and I'm not using your image, I built my own one :)
Jun 24 15:05:14 <_0x47> amigadave: http://pastebin.com/zje7E8q4
Jun 24 15:05:58 <MohammadAG> banning the nick itself is sometimes helpful
Jun 24 15:06:04 <_0x47> amigadave: additionally when I try to "fakeroot apt-get remove gcc-4.2" it wants to remove my 1.42 boost libs
Jun 24 15:06:04 <Stskeeps> idiot changes nicks often
Jun 24 15:06:51 <e-yes> MohammadAG, yes, all compiled modules I copy to android rootfs, and leave maemo's modules intact
Jun 24 15:07:21 <MohammadAG> e-yes, oh, I see, I'll reflash it again I guess :)
Jun 24 15:07:24 <MohammadAG> e-yes, thanks
Jun 24 15:09:43 <MohammadAG> e-yes, oh and another thing, the overclock.diff patch doesn't actually overclock the device, it's the same as the kernel-power one right?
Jun 24 15:13:30 <amigadave> _0x47: seems as though that build error has nothing to do with the boost version
Jun 24 15:14:03 <_0x47> :'(
Jun 24 15:14:21 <_0x47> amigadave: so what? i can't find out what the problem is
Jun 24 15:14:48 <_0x47> i'm about to replace the whole build system in the SDK
Jun 24 15:15:19 <amigadave> _0x47: looks like it is complaining about SDL_mixer headers, the Max_Chunk typedef is forward-declared as a struct in hch/CMusicHandler.h of vcmi
Jun 24 15:15:52 <_0x47> yeah i already tried to check this one out. the weird thing is that it compiles on my ubuntu machine without problems
Jun 24 15:16:08 <amigadave> maybe your SDL_mixer version is different?
Jun 24 15:16:29 <_0x47> err, different from what?
Jun 24 15:16:47 <amigadave> the version in Scratchbox
Jun 24 15:17:22 <_0x47> hm, is it possible to get a second armel target in scratchbox? i bet I already messed mine up, but want to keep it for reference...
Jun 24 15:18:12 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping
Jun 24 15:18:16 <Jaffa> dneary: ping
Jun 24 15:18:18 <Jaffa> andre__: ping
Jun 24 15:18:22 <amigadave> yeah, use sb-menu to guide you through it, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation has some hints
Jun 24 15:18:49 <dneary> Hi Jaffa
Jun 24 15:19:23 <_0x47> amigadave: k thanks, let me do that and check the version. how much longer will you be around?
Jun 24 15:20:14 <amigadave> _0x47: heading home soon, but will be around tomorrow
Jun 24 15:20:41 <dneary> Did everyone see this: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N20Y20100624
Jun 24 15:20:56 <MohammadAG> ~flasher
Jun 24 15:20:58 <infobot> somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
Jun 24 15:21:02 <MohammadAG> ~botsnack
Jun 24 15:21:03 <infobot> MohammadAG: :)
Jun 24 15:21:23 <_0x47> amigadave: k then I'll come back to you tomorrow, heading home too, but will probably online there too
Jun 24 15:21:46 <amigadave> _0x47: good luck :)
Jun 24 15:22:01 <_0x47> thanks a bunch
Jun 24 15:22:18 <Dassu>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tgNdRm-iJs this is just horriiible to waatch >:D
Jun 24 15:22:20 <mirf> what do you say when someone asks you if your n900 is better than their iphone?
Jun 24 15:22:31 <mirf> they are incomparible!
Jun 24 15:22:43 <mirf> so vastly different
Jun 24 15:23:59 <Dassu> I'm gonna be like "yeaaaah...." I get away fast as possible stupidity doesn't spread to me
Jun 24 15:28:07 <GAN900> mirf, sadly the iPhone 4 really starts to pull away.
Jun 24 15:28:55 <Kegetys> for me it wont until it gets a keyboard at least
Jun 24 15:29:13 <GAN900> The screen is jaw dropping
Jun 24 15:30:39 <MohammadAG> GAN900, you haven't seen the problems have you :)
Jun 24 15:30:52 <MohammadAG> GAN900, http://gizmodo.com, they're on the first page
Jun 24 15:31:29 <Stskeeps> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=727741#post727741
Jun 24 15:31:32 <Stskeeps> i vote they bring in abill_uk
Jun 24 15:31:54 <MohammadAG> LOL
Jun 24 15:32:17 <mirf> iphone will always be miles behind
Jun 24 15:32:43 <mirf> but as I say
Jun 24 15:32:47 <mirf> you can't compare them
Jun 24 15:34:15 <flailingmonkey> OS != hardware
Jun 24 15:35:11 <Lullen> how do I select an item in a qlistview by knowing its index? And how do I disable manual editing?
Jun 24 15:37:36 <GAN900> MohammadAG, meh, no problem with ours.
Jun 24 15:38:18 <MohammadAG> GAN900, "ours"?
Jun 24 15:39:39 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/bacon_love
Jun 24 15:41:07 <vldcnst> that's a poster worth buying
Jun 24 15:42:15 <Jaffa> mirf: If the iPhone 4 is as fast and smooth as an iPad, it's miles ahead of the N900 in terms of user experience.
Jun 24 15:42:42 <GAN900> MohammadAG, my mother's. . . .
Jun 24 15:42:49 <jaska> no kbd -> useless
Jun 24 15:42:54 <MohammadAG> GAN900, oh ok
Jun 24 15:42:57 <GAN900> Jaffa, faster in some ways. 512MB
Jun 24 15:43:06 <Jaffa> GAN900: Eek
Jun 24 15:43:32 * Jaffa wonders if Harmattan device's "OMAP3430" will be up to the task; hopefully a fully optimised Qt stack will help.
Jun 24 15:43:34 <GAN900> Jaffa, yeah, it pretty much blows everything out of the water.
Jun 24 15:43:46 <MohammadAG> I like the iPhone, hate the non-existent community
Jun 24 15:43:49 <MohammadAG> brb, going out
Jun 24 15:43:49 <Corsac> I have to admit I find it looking nice, the square look etc.
Jun 24 15:44:04 <GAN900> Fast A8, faster graphics than all of the other SoCs, huge RAM, huge resolution
Jun 24 15:44:05 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: 'salright, we're well on our way to that with MeeGo :-(
Jun 24 15:44:20 <GAN900> Rumor mill says OMAP3630
Jun 24 15:44:31 <flailingmonkey> in many ways the N900 competes with the iPad and the iPhone simultaneously
Jun 24 15:44:40 <chem|st> Stskeeps: someone will get killed that night
Jun 24 15:44:43 <Jaffa> GAN900: For Harmattan device?
Jun 24 15:44:47 <GAN900> But Nokia is really gonna have to bring the heat for the N900+1 to compete with this.
Jun 24 15:44:51 <GAN900> Jaffa, yeah.
Jun 24 15:45:05 <wazd> Isner vs Mahut - oh my
Jun 24 15:45:20 <Jaffa> GAN900: Did it say OMAP3 or 3430 in Amsterdam?
Jun 24 15:45:26 <Corsac> wazd: yeah, it's crazy
Jun 24 15:45:29 <Lullen> The first meego phone from nokia will be harmattan, but when will we get a real meego phone from nokia?
Jun 24 15:45:31 <GAN900> I'd buy the iPhone 4 in a heartbeat if iOS wasn't so boring.
Jun 24 15:45:36 <GAN900> Jaffa, OMAP3
Jun 24 15:45:52 <GAN900> capacitive, WVGA
Jun 24 15:45:55 <Jaffa> GAN900: Yup; that was my impression from an iPad. Shiny; impressive; fun to use but boring after an hour or two
Jun 24 15:45:57 <Corsac> and I don't exactly like the locked-down ecosystem
Jun 24 15:46:03 <Corsac> iOS + iTunes etc.
Jun 24 15:46:05 <Jaffa> WVGA == 800x480?
Jun 24 15:46:08 <Jaffa> (stupid acronyms)
Jun 24 15:46:10 <timeless_mbp> Lullen: before 2035!
Jun 24 15:46:18 <timeless_mbp> or was it 2036
Jun 24 15:46:19 <wazd> Jaffa: or 848x480
Jun 24 15:46:23 <Corsac> timeless_mbp: the overflow?
Jun 24 15:46:24 * timeless_mbp wasn't very good w/ tea leaves
Jun 24 15:46:33 <timeless_mbp> Corsac: it's somewhere over there, yeah :)
Jun 24 15:47:39 <Corsac> 2038
Jun 24 15:47:48 <wazd> MohammadAG: have you heard? It's i"everythingbutthephone" now
Jun 24 15:48:09 <RST38h> heya wazd
Jun 24 15:48:10 <wazd> matchball
Jun 24 15:48:12 <RST38h> how is life?
Jun 24 15:48:25 <RST38h> got yourself an iphone 4g? =)
Jun 24 15:48:25 <achipa> Jaffa: or 854x480
Jun 24 15:48:46 <Jaffa> achipa: wazd: So, basically 800ishx480.
Jun 24 15:48:56 <Corsac> 70-68 then
Jun 24 15:48:58 <wazd> oh shit, they've finised :D
Jun 24 15:49:03 <wazd> RST38h: heya :)
Jun 24 15:49:07 <Corsac> too bad :)
Jun 24 15:49:09 <wazd> finished*
Jun 24 15:49:12 <RST38h> who?
Jun 24 15:49:19 <Corsac> ilsnet-mahut
Jun 24 15:49:21 <wazd> RST38h: http://www.championat.ru/tennis/_wimbledon/472/match/22806.html
Jun 24 15:49:25 <Corsac> ner*
Jun 24 15:49:28 <Corsac> and Ilsner won
Jun 24 15:49:32 <wazd> RST38h: epic tennis battle :)
Jun 24 15:49:33 <Corsac> Isner*
Jun 24 15:49:48 <achipa> Jaffa: yes, sort of favourite aspect ratio * 480
Jun 24 15:50:12 <wazd> Corsac: I think they should marry each other now :D
Jun 24 15:50:41 <Corsac> yeah :)
Jun 24 15:51:31 <RST38h> wazd: oh that...
Jun 24 15:55:55 <wazd> RST38h: I'm fine, finishing my top secret project :)
Jun 24 15:58:21 <MohammadAG51> hmm, android boots up, shows Powering down then turns off the device
Jun 24 15:58:23 <MohammadAG51> weird
Jun 24 16:00:09 <GAN900> Jaffa, or slightly more or less.
Jun 24 16:00:22 <GAN900> Depending upon exactly how "wide"
Jun 24 16:00:54 <GAN900> Oops
Jun 24 16:00:57 <lcuk> lol Stskeeps
Jun 24 16:03:36 <trip0> does maemo use a build system like obs that you can push code and have it build packages and add it to a repo somewhere?
Jun 24 16:05:25 <Stskeeps> trip0: maemo extras, but we're building a obs as well
Jun 24 16:06:32 * trip0 searches wiki
Jun 24 16:06:35 <trip0> thanks Stskeeps
Jun 24 16:06:52 <trip0> will obs be up soon?
Jun 24 16:07:06 <Stskeeps> it'll be the same obs as the meego community obs, i believe
Jun 24 16:07:19 <trip0> it'll just build for fremantle?
Jun 24 16:08:14 <Stskeeps> well we haven't seen any SDKs for harmattan..
Jun 24 16:08:52 <DocScrutinizer> diablo?
Jun 24 16:09:03 <trip0> harmattan still lives?
Jun 24 16:09:14 <trip0> i thought it was going to be "meego"
Jun 24 16:09:15 <Stskeeps> N900killa: yes, we get it, you just lost 1000$
Jun 24 16:09:16 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 16:09:27 <N900killa> shoot
Jun 24 16:09:34 <N900killa> I'm dead
Jun 24 16:10:18 <N900killa> what should i do?
Jun 24 16:10:29 <trip0> run
Jun 24 16:10:33 <trip0> hide
Jun 24 16:10:38 <N900killa> no more internet for me
Jun 24 16:10:39 <trip0> wear body-armour
Jun 24 16:11:29 <Stskeeps> god, i suck.
Jun 24 16:12:09 <trip0> do I want to ask what that was all about?
Jun 24 16:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> prolly not
Jun 24 16:12:36 <lcuk> its the same guy that got bored midmorning each day this week isnt it?
Jun 24 16:12:45 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jun 24 16:12:52 <Stskeeps> trip0: read channel scrollback.. he's been trolling for days including claiming he was a nokia employee and not being able to answer simple questions.. and being kinda hostile in general
Jun 24 16:12:54 * trip0 notes not to mess with Stskeeps 
Jun 24 16:12:54 * lcuk nods
Jun 24 16:13:31 <DocScrutinizer> trip0: wait til you start messing with ME :-P
Jun 24 16:13:32 <Stskeeps> so we're a bit tired of him :)
Jun 24 16:13:37 <lcuk> trip0, you neednt be concerned with Stskeeps - its that GAN900 fellow you should worry about ;)
Jun 24 16:13:53 <Stskeeps> (usually we are very happy about any nokians or ex-nokians as long as they're friendly)
Jun 24 16:13:56 <luke-jr> just ban *!*@*
Jun 24 16:13:59 <luke-jr> that'll keep him out
Jun 24 16:14:07 <trip0> lol
Jun 24 16:15:41 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
Jun 24 16:16:03 <DocScrutinizer> couldn't feel upset about him the last ~24h
Jun 24 16:16:23 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: have you tried banning his nick yet?
Jun 24 16:16:31 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: he changes nicks quite a fair bit
Jun 24 16:16:35 <luke-jr> o
Jun 24 16:16:37 <DocScrutinizer> maybe I missed one or two of his frequent nick changes
Jun 24 16:16:40 <luke-jr> just not today?
Jun 24 16:17:22 <GAN900> lcuk, rawr?
Jun 24 16:18:01 <vldcnst> ~botsnack
Jun 24 16:18:01 <infobot> vldcnst: aw, gee
Jun 24 16:19:02 <DocScrutinizer> you people make me dizzy - or is that the fact my coffee ran out
Jun 24 16:19:45 <trip0> its the coffee
Jun 24 16:19:49 <trip0> maybe you've had too much?
Jun 24 16:19:59 <vldcnst> there's never too much coffee
Jun 24 16:20:12 <trip0> ...unless you start seeing spots on everything
Jun 24 16:20:18 <GAN900> luke-jr, like a dozen in the past few weels
Jun 24 16:20:22 <GAN900> weeks*
Jun 24 16:20:24 <vldcnst> not from coffee
Jun 24 16:21:02 <trip0> you only need 1000mg or so of caffeine to overdose
Jun 24 16:21:52 <vldcnst> for a coffee newbie maybe
Jun 24 16:21:59 <trip0> http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine
Jun 24 16:22:33 <trip0> wow, this calc is awesome
Jun 24 16:22:39 <trip0> we need a meego app for this
Jun 24 16:22:48 <vldcnst> After 59.72 cans of Red Bull, you'd be pushing up daisies.
Jun 24 16:22:56 <vldcnst> Oh my.
Jun 24 16:23:10 <trip0> 2000 glasses of chocolate milk would kill you
Jun 24 16:23:29 <trip0> (but something tells me you'd die before 100)
Jun 24 16:24:02 <mortini> trip0: depends on how quickly consumed
Jun 24 16:24:19 <trip0> 95 cups of coffee
Jun 24 16:24:52 <vldcnst> I doubt you can actually DIE
Jun 24 16:25:23 <mortini> you'd really have to try.
Jun 24 16:25:47 <mortini> 150-200mg per kg of body mass
Jun 24 16:26:06 <mortini> but, it's timing
Jun 24 16:26:07 <trip0> i doubt you could physically down 100 cups of coffee in any reasonable amount of time it would take to kill you
Jun 24 16:26:12 <mortini> yeah.
Jun 24 16:26:30 <mortini> you could do it if you had just caffeine, but that's about it.
Jun 24 16:26:45 <RST38h> Heh, Eldar dances on the Symbian bones
Jun 24 16:26:55 <vldcnst> http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/re-load-energy-spray
Jun 24 16:26:56 <vldcnst> interesting
Jun 24 16:27:10 <vldcnst> that one could kill you I guess
Jun 24 16:27:36 <mortini> so, the half-life for caffeine in human males is 4.9 hours, so, less than that.
Jun 24 16:28:03 <trip0> mortini, is it different in females?
Jun 24 16:28:10 <mortini> yes
Jun 24 16:28:40 <mortini> oh, that's 'adults' according to wikipedia, females on contraception is 5-10 hours
Jun 24 16:29:55 <RST38h> ext3
Jun 24 16:32:23 <DocScrutinizer51> Stskeeps: GAN900: could you explain to me why this killa/faka/lova guy was kicked now? I donmt think it's educative to reward a short period of almost correct behaviour with restrictions
Jun 24 16:34:07 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer51: it bends down to him talking inconsistent crap as well as being hostile and disruptive to channel discussions and mood.
Jun 24 16:34:25 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, because I was tired of his incessant idiocy?
Jun 24 16:34:27 <DocScrutinizer51> Stskeeps: when?
Jun 24 16:35:11 * DocScrutinizer51 checks his ignore list
Jun 24 16:35:41 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer51: well do you really want me to pull out the various examples where he has been pointed out to state untruthful stuff, including 'ircing from a car' and saying he's rich when he can't pay his rent as well as other inconsistent stuff? :P
Jun 24 16:35:51 <jacekowski> GAN900: so that would mean that you can be rude/insulting and etc. but if you are stupid you get banned
Jun 24 16:36:04 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer51, I'm more than happy to ceed the handling of it to you.
Jun 24 16:36:12 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer51: he's rude to people and even more insulting than crashanddie, really :P
Jun 24 16:36:21 <GAN900> Since I don't particularly have time to deal with nonsense like jacekowski's at work.
Jun 24 16:36:47 <DocScrutinizer51> Stskeeps: completely agree. just saying he started to behave
Jun 24 16:37:13 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer51: as well as actively evading bans and continuing after being warned. i don't like banning nor kicking people, personally
Jun 24 16:37:16 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 16:37:29 <Stskeeps> but this character shows me something i've commonly seen in other trolls, so
Jun 24 16:38:40 <DocScrutinizer51> Stskeeps: just saying he behaved since yesterday
Jun 24 16:39:01 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer51: well, today he was sort of hmm
Jun 24 16:39:13 <DocScrutinizer51> and yesterday/the day bfore I got bashed for banning him
Jun 24 16:39:23 <Stskeeps> when? :P
Jun 24 16:39:29 <Stskeeps> right, and i'm disagreeing with that (that he behaved)
Jun 24 16:39:34 <jacekowski> 16:49 < N900rulz> plus im not doing too good in school either....fack when it rains it pours
Jun 24 16:39:37 <jacekowski> 16:51 < N900rulz> jacekowski: rude bastard... i have more money than u ever will have in your fucken life
Jun 24 16:39:40 <jacekowski> 16:55 < N900rulz> jacekowski: my old man doesnt like me wastin $1000 like that....look i dont mean to argue with yous
Jun 24 16:40:13 <DocScrutinizer51> ok
Jun 24 16:40:21 <RST38h> jacekowski: Have you asked him an obligatory question about what he is wearing?
Jun 24 16:40:27 <DocScrutinizer51> that's what I've missed
Jun 24 16:40:42 <DocScrutinizer51> jacekowski: thanks
Jun 24 16:40:42 <RST38h> I mean, kicking him without asking obligatory questions is wrong, wrong
Jun 24 16:40:52 <jacekowski> and he was ircing while driving
Jun 24 16:40:56 <jacekowski> and he was plain stupid
Jun 24 16:40:59 <RST38h> That is nice
Jun 24 16:41:08 <jacekowski> which on it's own is enough
Jun 24 16:41:24 <RST38h> I mean, you actually missed an opportunity to cause a traffic accident over irc?
Jun 24 16:41:32 <RST38h> That may be one in your lifetime...
Jun 24 16:41:52 <jacekowski> well, there was somebody driving lorry in canada 2 days ago
Jun 24 16:42:05 <RST38h> He did not say what he was driving
Jun 24 16:42:07 <jacekowski> so there will be couple more chances
Jun 24 16:42:23 <RST38h> Hopefully it was an oil tanker
Jun 24 16:46:52 <crashanddie> jacekowski & DocScrutinizer51: yeah, he's a troll who's been coming quite a bit, just get rid of him time and time again
Jun 24 16:48:29 <DocScrutinizer51> thanks for confirming, great cleanser of buns err bans
Jun 24 16:51:30 <Lullen> How do I make a qlistview scroll down to the index I have selected?
Jun 24 16:54:48 <mortini> Lullen: tried setCurrentIndex?
Jun 24 16:54:59 <mortini> Lullen: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qabstractitemview.html#setCurrentIndex
Jun 24 16:56:32 <Lullen> mortini thanks!
Jun 24 16:56:51 <Lullen> got suprised when it selected an item and did not scroll down to it :)
Jun 24 16:58:01 <mortini> Lullen: the 'list all members' of a class feature of the documentation is nice, because then you can see everything it inherits, too
Jun 24 16:58:12 <mortini> er, there's a link at the top of the page
Jun 24 17:04:22 <Lullen> now it is working as it should, thanks again!
Jun 24 17:05:20 <mortini> cool, np
Jun 24 17:07:52 <ham5> what file browser can I use that will open config files in a text editor?
Jun 24 17:12:16 * RST38h mourns his laptop
Jun 24 17:12:36 * SpeedEvil holds up the case of the laptop.
Jun 24 17:12:46 <SpeedEvil> 'Alas, poor laptop, I knew him well!'
Jun 24 17:13:36 <RST38h> Yea, that is exactly how I feel
Jun 24 17:13:49 <RST38h> Except that the poor thing is not fully dead yet, more like sick with cancer
Jun 24 17:16:04 * h0n3st is away: I'm busy
Jun 24 17:18:37 <maemouser> hhey can i somehow save a route on maps for offline routing?
Jun 24 17:46:10 <ham5> click/ walk threw the maps when your online?
Jun 24 17:47:51 <InteliWasp> how well does maemo 5 work with the n800?
Jun 24 17:48:02 <RST38h> It does not
Jun 24 17:49:00 <InteliWasp> so i shuld stay with diablo?
Jun 24 17:49:29 <RST38h> That is an invalid question
Jun 24 17:49:58 <flailingmonkey> InteliWasp: you'll get meego, probably by 1.1 release (1.1 is about to enter open development)
Jun 24 17:50:35 <trip0> meego1.1openingftw
Jun 24 17:51:41 <mortini> 3/topic
Jun 24 17:51:42 <mortini> oops
Jun 24 17:52:30 <Lullen> what can "undefined reference to `DietSettings::DietSettings(QWidget*)'" mean? I have included the dietsettings.h and written "DietSettings *ds;" in the window that calls header. And in the cpp file I have a function wich have the following lines ds = new DietSettings(this); and ds->show; What have I missed?
Jun 24 17:54:34 <trip0> what's the deal with mono on the n900?
Jun 24 17:55:36 <trip0> Lullen: it means that you have a constructor 'DietSettings(QWidget*) in your header and it's not implemented in your cpp file
Jun 24 17:59:06 <Lullen> now it works:)
Jun 24 18:00:31 <trip0> of course it does ;)
Jun 24 18:00:46 <trip0> where's the wiki on using autobuilder?
Jun 24 18:25:31 <DrGrov> How is AutoDisconnect working really? Does it work without needing to run the application in the background?
Jun 24 18:25:51 <vldcnst> isn't it open source?
Jun 24 18:30:21 * DocScrutinizer drops a note to Stskeeps and GAN900 about complete uselessness of banning particular IP addr which obviously are dynamic
Jun 24 18:30:57 <valdyn> DrGrov: no
Jun 24 18:31:55 <flailingmonkey> I vote for +q on user
Jun 24 18:32:17 <flailingmonkey> @*.* or w/e
Jun 24 18:32:55 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-06-24 20:31:55] [Bannliste: #maemo] *!*user@74.198.38.251 eingetragen von Stskeeps am 2010-06-24 17:05
Jun 24 18:33:02 <DocScrutinizer> nonsense
Jun 24 18:34:21 <DocScrutinizer> [Di 22. Juni 2010] [18:57:47] <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: to me a +b *!*user@74.198.*.* feels a sane thing to do
Jun 24 18:34:22 <DocScrutinizer> [Di 22. Juni 2010] [18:59:02] <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: why would you ban a whole class B?
Jun 24 18:34:47 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: makes sense, feel free to do that
Jun 24 18:36:11 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: I'm thoroughly fed up with dealing with it, as I got nothing but flames and fuzzy answers and other chanops reverting what I had been set after carefully thinking about how to do the best thing for the channel
Jun 24 18:36:49 <luke-jr> anyone here good with pendulums?
Jun 24 18:37:03 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: i've changed my opinion after reviewing logs of users from same IP range.
Jun 24 18:37:46 <DocScrutinizer> I've changed my opinion about feeling involved in this particular topic
Jun 24 18:37:54 <DrGrov> valdyn: so i need to keep the application multitasking in the background? wtf? should not that work by default?
Jun 24 18:38:59 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: drop a note to crashanddie not to delete it in 30min
Jun 24 18:39:02 <mortini> that isp spans that /16, tho
Jun 24 18:39:12 <Stskeeps> yeah, the CIDR is right
Jun 24 18:39:18 <mortini> oh, duh.
Jun 24 18:39:23 * mortini lrn2read.
Jun 24 18:42:56 <valdyn> DrGrov: you cannot see most processes in the task manager, and you cannot see the autodisconnect daemons either
Jun 24 18:43:15 <valdyn> DrGrov: no idea why you are wtfing this...
Jun 24 18:44:59 <valdyn> DrGrov: the autodiconnect configuration tool does not need to be running
Jun 24 18:52:17 <DrGrov> valdyn: ah, then that was what i mean. that it does not need to be running.
Jun 24 18:54:09 <DrGrov> valdyn: i misunderstood you that is why i wtfcked it
Jun 24 18:55:56 * GAN900 hands DocScrutinizer some chocolate.
Jun 24 18:58:54 <DocScrutinizer> seems my sctp server isn't running (secure chocolate transfer protocol)
Jun 24 19:00:13 <DocScrutinizer> I suspect soime nasty greedy Cisco router ate it
Jun 24 19:01:49 <Wolfie> so, how can I enter a full WPA2 hex key into my n900? it doens't allow me to enter the last hex
Jun 24 19:02:12 <flailingmonkey> there is an app that lets you
Jun 24 19:02:30 * DocScrutinizer sighs
Jun 24 19:02:44 <zash> flailingmonkey: you mean "there's a hack for that" ;)
Jun 24 19:02:47 <flailingmonkey> as you found, the one in the current firmware isn't able to
Jun 24 19:03:38 <yigal> why is Modest an even poorer email client than it was in Diablo? :)
Jun 24 19:03:47 <Wolfie> flailingmonkey: where can I find this app?
Jun 24 19:03:55 <Stskeeps> yigal: that wonders me at times too. i loved the pre-modest one
Jun 24 19:03:58 <DocScrutinizer> yigal: that's caled progress
Jun 24 19:04:04 <yigal> :D
Jun 24 19:05:28 <yigal> I mean the older Modest one could use the menu key and quickly move to another account, and at least there was some search capabilities.  It's very funny, how limited this Modest is.
Jun 24 19:05:38 * SpeedEvil notes that modest is open-source.
Jun 24 19:05:42 <SpeedEvil> apt-get remove modest
Jun 24 19:05:46 <SpeedEvil> apt-get install elm
Jun 24 19:06:02 <SpeedEvil> (or more sensibly, a version of modest where you've fixed the bugs you complain of)
Jun 24 19:06:08 <Venemo> hey guys
Jun 24 19:06:28 <flailingmonkey> SpeedEvil: you know you can't apt-get remove modest
Jun 24 19:06:30 <yigal> SpeedEvil: ah, if I were such a pro at coding I would be very happy
Jun 24 19:06:40 <yigal> flailingmonkey: you can, but with consequences
Jun 24 19:06:45 <Venemo> could anyone tell me what the problem is with the auto-builder?
Jun 24 19:06:45 <SpeedEvil> flailingmonkey: you can remove modest
Jun 24 19:06:46 <SpeedEvil> I have
Jun 24 19:06:47 <flailingmonkey> don't tease us :P
Jun 24 19:06:55 <flailingmonkey> Venemo: ahoy
Jun 24 19:06:55 <SpeedEvil> flailingmonkey: apt-get remove modest worked.
Jun 24 19:07:01 <SpeedEvil> Consequences?
Jun 24 19:07:08 <yigal> SpeedEvil: it didn't remove anything else?
Jun 24 19:07:15 <yigal> SpeedEvil: interesting
Jun 24 19:07:19 <SpeedEvil> dunno
Jun 24 19:07:32 <SpeedEvil> It shouldn't remove anything other than stuff that only depends on it
Jun 24 19:07:48 <yigal> just reading, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41539
Jun 24 19:07:57 <Venemo> re
Jun 24 19:07:59 <flailingmonkey> really? I thought it was in that firmware metapackage
Jun 24 19:08:04 <Venemo> sorry, I got disconnected
Jun 24 19:08:12 <yigal> SpeedEvil: I'm enlarging Easy Debian image right now, I'll check after that's done
Jun 24 19:08:14 <SpeedEvil> (I never used it, and it used up a dozen meg or so of RAM)
Jun 24 19:08:56 <SpeedEvil> apt-get install modest only wants to install one package
Jun 24 19:10:13 <flailingmonkey> for me, it would remove mp-fremantle-002-pr
Jun 24 19:10:17 <flailingmonkey> so, yeah
Jun 24 19:10:22 <yigal> SpeedEvil: sure, but that doesn't mean it wasn't part of a larger metapackage initially
Jun 24 19:10:30 <yigal> right
Jun 24 19:10:57 <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying that's not the case - simply that I have noticed no consequences in the month I've had it uninstalled
Jun 24 19:11:04 <SpeedEvil> (well - other than having more free RAM)
Jun 24 19:11:08 <yigal> SpeedEvil: good to hear
Jun 24 19:11:18 <yigal> I imagine I will follow suit shortly
Jun 24 19:11:56 <yigal> I like mutt, but the ui isn't really designed for a small touchscreen imo
Jun 24 19:12:00 <flailingmonkey> a bunch of useful packages were automatically installed by modest, so apt thinks they are no longer needed
Jun 24 19:12:16 <flailingmonkey> so don't run apt-get autoremove :P
Jun 24 19:12:35 <flailingmonkey> like, rtcom-accounts-voip-support, and cherry
Jun 24 19:12:37 <yigal> or just manually install those packages
Jun 24 19:13:10 <flailingmonkey> everyone needs cherry after all! ;)
Jun 24 19:13:13 <yigal> or create a equivs metapackage
Jun 24 19:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> There's this fancy first-boot(?)-setup-wizard for region, language, and time/date, incredibly oversophisticated graphics (like a gambling machine) and same time basically unusable - not to mention those win2000-alike animated teaching assistant. I run into that 2 times now (2nd after rebooting when bat was removed for 12h). Is it still there in 1.2?
Jun 24 19:13:35 <yigal> lol
Jun 24 19:14:28 <yigal> DocScrutinizer: never saw that, n900 used my cell provider for all of that
Jun 24 19:14:36 <yigal> as far as I can remember?
Jun 24 19:14:48 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, I booted without SIM
Jun 24 19:14:49 <valdyn> yigal: remove battery and see
Jun 24 19:15:27 <flailingmonkey> i've seen it, if you leave battery unplugged long enough
Jun 24 19:15:46 <yigal> interesting, I hope I will never have to
Jun 24 19:15:46 <flailingmonkey> no SIM will too
Jun 24 19:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> so I gather it's still there and still nusable
Jun 24 19:16:27 <DocScrutinizer> un*
Jun 24 19:16:41 <flailingmonkey> SpeedEvil: did you remove mp-fremantle-002-pr as well as modest
Jun 24 19:16:56 <flailingmonkey> DocScrutinizer: don't know what you mean by unusable
Jun 24 19:17:27 <DocScrutinizer> it's like a fortune wheel. A royal PITA to get he right setting
Jun 24 19:17:53 <DocScrutinizer> much too much balistic scrolling
Jun 24 19:17:59 <DocScrutinizer> too less dampening
Jun 24 19:18:40 <flailingmonkey> its iPhone-y
Jun 24 19:18:45 <DocScrutinizer> and you can't click-select a value out of the list, you need to scroll it to the "hit&win" center field
Jun 24 19:18:52 <flailingmonkey> but without enough tuning
Jun 24 19:19:22 <DocScrutinizer> makes me want to smash the N900 to next wall
Jun 24 19:19:41 <yigal> makes me love Diablo
Jun 24 19:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> some serious wanking of a UX-guy
Jun 24 19:20:12 <flailingmonkey> keyboard support would have been smart addition, but its not frequently used
Jun 24 19:21:03 <DocScrutinizer> and for time/date this widget is as odd as it can possibly get
Jun 24 19:22:01 <DocScrutinizer> nah, wait. maybe the time thing was brilliant. Almost forgot the whole unpleasant experience
Jun 24 19:22:18 <luke-jr> any idea what the part that connects the pendulum to the gear is called?
Jun 24 19:22:29 <yigal> ?
Jun 24 19:23:55 <yigal> luke-jr: input shaft, although I don't know the context
Jun 24 19:24:08 <luke-jr> building a clock
Jun 24 19:26:52 <zash> luke-jr: "hook" or something like that
Jun 24 19:27:06 <zash> duno what it's in english
Jun 24 19:31:19 <luke-jr> found it.. anchor
Jun 24 19:32:04 <zash> huh
Jun 24 19:32:19 <zash> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_escapement
Jun 24 19:32:36 <DocScrutinizer51> flailingmonkey: any idea how long a battery removal it needs to make that setting madness thing pop up on boot?
Jun 24 19:32:56 <valdyn> DocScrutinizer51: sim change does it in no time
Jun 24 19:33:04 <zash> luke-jr: escapement would be the generetic term
Jun 24 19:33:21 <DocScrutinizer51> it's hard to chane NO sim
Jun 24 19:34:07 <flailingmonkey> nope, no clue
Jun 24 19:34:41 <SpeedEvil> flailingmonkey: All I did was apt-get remove modest - I'm quite sure of that
Jun 24 19:34:53 * DocScrutinizer51 goes scrutinizing the schematics, particularly the backup battery details
Jun 24 19:35:03 <SpeedEvil> flailingmonkey: I upgraded PR1->1.1->1.1.1->1.2 - OTA though
Jun 24 19:35:10 <SpeedEvil> flailingmonkey: maybe that has an impact
Jun 24 19:36:46 <flailingmonkey> SpeedEvil: when did you remove modest?
Jun 24 19:37:12 <flailingmonkey> I've only upgraded by OTA so far, flasher virgin right here
Jun 24 19:38:01 <DocScrutinizer51> well, the bupbat seems to work like expected. some 10min of bat removed don't cause loss of RTC, nor do they make the gambling machine show up
Jun 24 19:39:04 <flailingmonkey> mhm
Jun 24 19:39:25 <flailingmonkey> if you have a sim, maybe you should put one in
Jun 24 19:39:51 <flailingmonkey> are you avoiding cherry?
Jun 24 19:40:41 <SpeedEvil> flailingmonkey: about a couple of months ago, I think
Jun 24 19:41:04 <SpeedEvil> flailingmonkey: If you really want to  know grep for speedevil.*modest
Jun 24 19:42:48 <flailingmonkey> alright. I wonder if I can upload a package that depends on all the same packages as mp-fremantle-002-pr, so that installing it will allow removal of the PR package
Jun 24 19:42:54 <DocScrutinizer51> flailingmonkey: yep, cherrysquashing pending
Jun 24 19:44:12 <flailingmonkey> and then I would be able to have that replacement package not pin versions, allowing newer versions of packages to be released and updated to between PRs
Jun 24 19:44:41 <flailingmonkey> would work/won't work?
Jun 24 19:47:09 * SpeedEvil has no clue.
Jun 24 19:49:26 <SpeedEvil> Anyone happen to know if 'javascript pausing' got pushed upstream and might turn up in FF?
Jun 24 19:50:02 <Rabidus> joo
Jun 24 19:50:04 <Rabidus> läksispä sitte
Jun 24 19:50:09 <Rabidus> oops, sorry
Jun 24 19:50:43 <yigal> now that you've done it, ough
Jun 24 19:50:50 <yigal> :D
Jun 24 19:51:52 <yigal> flailingmonkey: it would work
Jun 24 19:52:46 <flailingmonkey> after doing that, you wouldn't automatically update to the next PR
Jun 24 19:53:13 <yigal> I don't know enough
Jun 24 19:53:46 <flailingmonkey> perhaps a program would check when a new PR is available, and fix you up to update to the new release
Jun 24 19:56:37 <yigal> sounds doable in theory
Jun 24 19:57:40 <yigal> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.
Jun 24 20:05:42 <DrGrov> The D-THEME SimpleBlue has some annoying bugs.
Jun 24 20:06:04 <DrGrov> It is a difficult theme to use since it constantly lags when opening shortcuts or closing them.
Jun 24 20:06:35 <DrGrov> Scrolling in menus lags as well
Jun 24 20:07:05 <DrGrov> Why put a theme in the extras repository when it is clearly still almost like it belongs in testing repository?
Jun 24 20:07:49 <DrGrov> Just curious to know that is all
Jun 24 20:09:20 <trip0> how long does it normally take to get an upload invite after requesting?
Jun 24 20:16:05 <flailingmonkey> DrGrov: all it takes is votes, and those people are supposed to try it out first
Jun 24 20:20:22 <DrGrov> flailingmonkey: ok, i think i will the theme a second chance though. i presume it is a bit of a slow starter in the beginning after a fresh reboot.
Jun 24 20:27:52 <flailingmonkey> if it still sucks, vote it down :P
Jun 24 20:53:36 <DocScrutinizer> flailingmonkey: voting down apps in extras?
Jun 24 20:54:33 <flailingmonkey> oh, right.. it got into extras
Jun 24 20:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> ok, bme is definitely buggy
Jun 24 20:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> really buggy
Jun 24 20:56:37 <DocScrutinizer> I always thought Nokia/maemo was better on battery charging and management than Openmoko. I start to doubt
Jun 24 20:58:16 <DocScrutinizer> I mean, keeping the device in a ACT_DEAD semi powered up state, while no charger is attached, and no indicator light or any screen display would let you know. That's about as bad as it can get
Jun 24 21:03:42 <SpeedEvil> act_dead can use very little power
Jun 24 21:03:52 <SpeedEvil> but yes - if it stays in that state.
Jun 24 21:05:11 <BCMM> tworking
Jun 24 21:05:22 <BCMM> oh, sorry
Jun 24 21:05:32 <BCMM> i was trying to /join #networking
Jun 24 21:12:01 <flailingmonkey> DocScrutinizer: gotta tell you, replacement bme should be high priority, and not just because it would mean more open components
Jun 24 21:12:42 <flailingmonkey> not as high as hostmode, I suppose
Jun 24 21:14:16 <ShadowJK> Yesterday when I charged without bme, 1200mA/4200mV, it tapered off so perfectly to 4100mV (according to bq27200) I got suspicious/worried :P
Jun 24 21:15:13 <DrGrov> Does that N900 charger adapter give the same output as the regular USB charger?
Jun 24 21:15:38 <ShadowJK> If by charge adapter you mean CA-146C, then no
Jun 24 21:16:00 <DocScrutinizer51> sorry, missed a few minutes
Jun 24 21:16:18 <DrGrov> So it will take much longer to charge?
Jun 24 21:16:36 <DrGrov> I mean that small adapter that fits for older Nokia charges and out comes the usb charger to insert into the N900
Jun 24 21:16:51 <DocScrutinizer51> DrGrov: yes
Jun 24 21:16:57 <ShadowJK> Yeah. Let's say it's only practical for overnight charging
Jun 24 21:17:05 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: ok, that will be no problem to charge then.
Jun 24 21:17:17 <DocScrutinizer51> though 'much' is relative
Jun 24 21:17:30 <DrGrov> yes, i will use it for overnight charging tomorrow at the summer place then.
Jun 24 21:17:40 <ShadowJK> I'd also use it on a fireproof surface..
Jun 24 21:17:40 <DrGrov> i just need it fully charged saturday morning so no hurries
Jun 24 21:18:00 <DrGrov> why fireproof? it heats up too much?
Jun 24 21:18:20 <DocScrutinizer51> alas there's no datasheet or specs for CA-146C anywhere
Jun 24 21:18:23 <ShadowJK> http://www.nokiausers.net/General/N97-Charging-Warning-Beware-of-Using-Supplied-CA-146C-with-Old-Style-Nokia-Charger.html :)
Jun 24 21:18:23 <MohammadAG51> sometimes melts
Jun 24 21:18:40 <MohammadAG51> it was removed from US N900s
Jun 24 21:19:03 <DrGrov> ah then it is better that i take the normal N900 charger and plug it in the socket and no need for any extra adapter thingies in between. just plain normal charging
Jun 24 21:19:23 <flailingmonkey> yep
Jun 24 21:19:36 <flailingmonkey> DocScrutinizer51: did you get my comment about jrbme?
Jun 24 21:20:45 <DrGrov> i need to tell this to my fiancee as well just to use the default similar charger that the N97 has
Jun 24 21:21:00 <ShadowJK> Similar? I'd say it has the same charger
Jun 24 21:21:28 <DrGrov> ah yes, it is infact the same charger
Jun 24 21:21:32 <DrGrov> 1200 mAh as well
Jun 24 21:21:50 <DrGrov> but good thing is that she only uses the normal N97 charger without any additional things
Jun 24 21:22:07 <DrGrov> i will fucking destroy both these evil adapters before it becomes too risky
Jun 24 21:22:15 <DrGrov> sorry for swearing..
Jun 24 21:22:31 <Venemo> hi guys
Jun 24 21:23:11 <Venemo> autobuilder vs. Venemo = 5 - 0
Jun 24 21:23:29 <Venemo> "error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory" -> does anyone know what the problem is?
Jun 24 21:24:15 <yigal> hey I just assumed that Modest in Maemo 5 PR 1.2 can't do searches for key terms in header, body etc..  Is this true?
Jun 24 21:24:34 <DocScrutinizer51> just one line. about prio
Jun 24 21:25:54 <DocScrutinizer51> DrGrov: please send them to me
Jun 24 21:26:01 <yigal> Excuse me I didn't mean searches I really meant filter email.
Jun 24 21:28:43 <TomaszD> hey guys, can you vote for this http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/gps-data-logger/0.5-3/ ? I'm not the author but I've worked closely with him and tested this app through hundreds of kilometeres of bike rides so it works fine
Jun 24 21:30:16 <DocScrutinizer51> filter in modest? you're kidding
Jun 24 21:32:27 <yigal> I know, I know, I jest :D
Jun 24 21:33:27 <yigal> at least gmail.com works well enough on the n900
Jun 24 21:36:03 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer51: you sure you want to have them? the old Nokia - usb charger?
Jun 24 21:36:58 <BCMM> So, Intel is backing Android as well as meego
Jun 24 21:37:29 <flailingmonkey> intel is backing linux
Jun 24 21:37:55 <BCMM> android isn't linux.
Jun 24 21:38:00 <yigal> trudat
Jun 24 21:38:06 <BCMM> nah, intel is backing "stuff running in atom as well as ARM"
Jun 24 21:38:11 <BCMM> ^on
Jun 24 21:38:12 <yigal> trudat
Jun 24 21:38:21 <luke-jr> zash: escapement is more than the anchor :p
Jun 24 21:38:32 <BCMM> still, was kinda hoping the intel thing meant meego would go further than android
Jun 24 21:38:34 <yigal> BCMM: you're just a bit faster at typing than I, lol
Jun 24 21:38:53 <flailingmonkey> i feel the same, but
Jun 24 21:39:14 <BCMM> since i'm somewhat opposed to the idea of making an incompatible fork of the linux kernel and an even less compatible userspace
Jun 24 21:39:46 <SpeedEvil> A assymetric multiprocessor solution would be interesting.
Jun 24 21:39:49 <BCMM> <tinfoilhat>it all feels a bit "embrace, extend..."</tinfoilhat>
Jun 24 21:39:51 <SpeedEvil> One 486 class core.
Jun 24 21:40:08 <SpeedEvil> One 'modern' one
Jun 24 21:40:09 <flailingmonkey> i frankly think ARM is going to threaten intel
Jun 24 21:40:14 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jun 24 21:40:26 <ManoftheSea> assymetric?
Jun 24 21:40:29 <jacekowski> flailingmonkey: not really
Jun 24 21:40:30 <ManoftheSea> like... what?
Jun 24 21:40:31 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: shiny, but why?
Jun 24 21:40:32 <mavhc> intel tried to kill x86, failed, so they'll lose eventually
Jun 24 21:40:43 <jacekowski> flailingmonkey: it's not compatible with x86
Jun 24 21:41:02 <BCMM> i mean, you'd still have the power-usage consequences of x86
Jun 24 21:41:04 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: Maintaining binary compatibility across cores, but having one use a couple of orders of magnitude less power at nominal clock
Jun 24 21:41:06 <mavhc> new software is all written for non x86 runtimes anyway
Jun 24 21:41:15 <flailingmonkey> assymetric is when the booth babes have a perfect... product to sell
Jun 24 21:41:19 <jacekowski> ManoftheSea: like smp with dedicated hardware for specific job
Jun 24 21:41:28 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ - x86 - 486/150 - ~1W
Jun 24 21:41:29 <BCMM> flailingmonkey: i want to put the tinfoil hat back on and say that intel is prepering it's own line of non-x86 things
Jun 24 21:41:38 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: they had ARM
Jun 24 21:41:41 <mavhc> CLR, Parrot, JVM
Jun 24 21:41:49 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: They used to sell 'strongarm'
Jun 24 21:41:55 <SpeedEvil> which did quite well in mobile space
Jun 24 21:42:01 <SpeedEvil> well - PDA
Jun 24 21:42:06 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: actually, it would make sense in a couple of years, with a slow, low-power x86 core
Jun 24 21:43:02 <BCMM> assuming you don't need to run new apps on the x86 thing
Jun 24 21:43:26 <mavhc> x86 is just risc with a battery wasting emulation layer
Jun 24 21:43:27 <flailingmonkey> I just want an ARM laptop already
Jun 24 21:43:45 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: well, doing non-x86 now would make sense - they don't want to die if x86 dies
Jun 24 21:43:53 <BCMM> flailingmonkey: me too
Jun 24 21:43:53 <BCMM> i think there are a couple
Jun 24 21:44:13 <mavhc> flailingmonkey: I can sell you an A4 laptop
Jun 24 21:44:16 <SpeedEvil> I would put a large bet on x86 not being dead in 10 years.
Jun 24 21:44:21 <BCMM> i actually can't see a single downside of an arm laptop really
Jun 24 21:44:32 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: Binary compatibility
Jun 24 21:44:35 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: IOW - flash
Jun 24 21:45:03 * SpeedEvil saw his first 'upgrade to 10.0' banner on youtube the other day. :/
Jun 24 21:45:13 <flailingmonkey> SpeedEvil: it won't die, too many legacy systems, but I wouldn't expect it to be the new tech leader
Jun 24 21:45:23 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: it won't be dead in ten years, in the same way you can still get software for powerpc macs
Jun 24 21:46:01 <BCMM> i mean, they aren't dead, but they aren't very well
Jun 24 21:46:06 <ManoftheSea> I know what asymmetric means.
Jun 24 21:46:11 <ManoftheSea> But what would you do with it?
Jun 24 21:46:16 <ManoftheSea> Like, CPU vs. GPU?
Jun 24 21:46:19 <BCMM> i think people could actually accept losing legacy software
Jun 24 21:46:29 <ManoftheSea> Or are you planning to do a lot of FFTs on your cell phone?
Jun 24 21:46:32 <flailingmonkey> mavhc: I'm hoping for something in the Cortex-A9 family :)
Jun 24 21:46:33 <BCMM> i mean, people don't assume stuff will work on the next windows version
Jun 24 21:46:46 <BCMM> and normal people switch to macs, and so on
Jun 24 21:47:20 <flailingmonkey> consumers definitely do, companies are not as flexible
Jun 24 21:47:41 <mavhc> that's what emulation is for
Jun 24 21:47:48 <jacekowski> flailingmonkey: there is no alternatives
Jun 24 21:47:48 <SpeedEvil> ManoftheSea: Imagine one processor that just ticks over at 20MHz or so, reacting to events.
Jun 24 21:48:05 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: i think sombody designed tickless '81
Jun 24 21:48:07 <jacekowski> 51*
Jun 24 21:48:12 <jacekowski> completly asynchronous
Jun 24 21:48:17 <SpeedEvil> possibly
Jun 24 21:48:23 <jacekowski> just processing data as it comes
Jun 24 21:48:30 <flailingmonkey> for workstations not runnng heavy apps, the ARM power savings would be a sell. but many are locked into software suites that live in microsoft ecosystem
Jun 24 21:48:32 <mavhc> arm is fast enough for most things people do, with a dsp/gpu if you're lazy
Jun 24 21:48:42 <jacekowski> i've read about it in one of polish electronics newspapers couple years ago
Jun 24 21:49:17 <mavhc> microsoft is moving office to sliverlight and web, both run on arm
Jun 24 21:49:53 <jacekowski> flailingmonkey: there is no real alternative to x86 for high performance applications
Jun 24 21:50:01 <jacekowski> flailingmonkey: only itanium
Jun 24 21:50:15 <mavhc> or high end risc stuff
Jun 24 21:50:20 <jacekowski> flailingmonkey: but there isn't many people that can program itanium
Jun 24 21:50:45 <mavhc> noone can program itanium, that's the compiler's job
Jun 24 21:51:33 <jacekowski> sparc died with sun
Jun 24 21:51:34 <Arkenoi> well, the bad news is you cannot really program itanium
Jun 24 21:51:42 <flailingmonkey> jacekowski: the alternative to x86 for such apps is a new intel line that gets rid of legacy chip components, but implements the instructions that are relevent
Jun 24 21:51:51 <Arkenoi> the good is that you do not need to, compiler does the job for you
Jun 24 21:52:14 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: well, you can
Jun 24 21:52:29 <Arkenoi> actually, EPIC native code is almost impossible to program in low level
Jun 24 21:52:54 <jacekowski> *almost*
Jun 24 21:52:56 <jacekowski> and well
Jun 24 21:52:57 <jacekowski> it's hard
Jun 24 21:53:01 <jacekowski> requires brain
Jun 24 21:53:06 <jacekowski> but it's possible
Jun 24 21:53:16 <mavhc> well, someone had to program the compiler, but once that was done, they locked him up in a mental hospital
Jun 24 21:53:30 <Arkenoi> it is worse than worst case RISC like alpha where you need to keep in mind that you cannot access memory bus until n tacts pass after this instruction
Jun 24 21:53:32 <jacekowski> well, i'm programming itanium sometimes
Jun 24 21:54:44 <jacekowski> anyways going back to other alternatives
Jun 24 21:55:00 * DocScrutinizer51 pointing to bell+braben and their 500000mlines of asm for elite
Jun 24 21:55:09 <jacekowski> there is no alternative for hi end workstations
Jun 24 21:55:17 <Arkenoi> jacekowski, and what's the point of programming EPIC in low level manually? I think compiler will do the job better almost always.
Jun 24 21:55:56 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: i was doing some things and i just gave up on trying to tell compiler what to do
Jun 24 21:55:57 <Arkenoi> a decent compiler, i mean
Jun 24 21:56:08 <jacekowski> and i decided to do it in asm
Jun 24 21:56:12 <Arkenoi> wow
Jun 24 21:56:43 <Arkenoi> btw used itanium workstations are still inadequately expensive on ebay'
Jun 24 21:56:53 <Arkenoi> i want one but i still cannot afford it
Jun 24 21:57:22 <Arkenoi> too much money for outdated slow hardware
Jun 24 21:57:37 <jacekowski> thing is that gcc seems to generate a lot of inefficient code very often
Jun 24 21:57:42 <Arkenoi> and if it is not that outdated it is damn a lot of money
Jun 24 21:57:46 <Arkenoi> ah
Jun 24 21:57:51 <Arkenoi> you use gcc
Jun 24 21:57:55 <jacekowski> or just redundant code
Jun 24 21:57:58 <Arkenoi> gcc is not an option for itanium
Jun 24 21:58:03 <Arkenoi> it is known issue
Jun 24 21:58:07 <jacekowski> well, icc isn't doing much better
Jun 24 21:58:16 <jacekowski> well, icc on x86
Jun 24 21:58:24 <Arkenoi> actually there is just handful of instruction sets that gcc does well
Jun 24 21:58:24 <jacekowski> i never tried icc for itanium
Jun 24 21:58:30 <Arkenoi> and itanium is not one of those
Jun 24 21:58:46 <jacekowski> well, name one
Jun 24 21:59:06 <Arkenoi> x86, mips, arm
Jun 24 21:59:10 <Arkenoi> sparc -- not really
Jun 24 21:59:22 <jacekowski> well, i never had chance to play with mips
Jun 24 21:59:35 <jacekowski> but i know that it generates shit not a code for x86 and arm
Jun 24 21:59:58 <jacekowski> i just need to find an example
Jun 24 22:00:03 <Arkenoi> jacekowski, it does much worse on other architectures ;-)
Jun 24 22:00:28 <jacekowski> yeah, reversing order of bytes in 32bit int on 8 bit architecture
Jun 24 22:00:37 <jacekowski> where everything was stored in registers
Jun 24 22:00:46 <jacekowski> gcc managed to do it in only 50 instructions
Jun 24 22:00:49 <Arkenoi> hppa2, sparc64 are barely usable and itanium is definitely not, you get performance degradation almost twice
Jun 24 22:00:53 <jacekowski> where it could be done in 8
Jun 24 22:01:45 <jacekowski> and i think i saw massive fuck up with conditional execution on arm
Jun 24 22:02:16 <Arkenoi> does icc perform much better?
Jun 24 22:02:34 <jacekowski> on x86 - yep
Jun 24 22:02:39 <Arkenoi> on arm
Jun 24 22:02:41 <jacekowski> never tried it on arm
Jun 24 22:03:10 <jacekowski> i've tried it on very old 8085 i think
Jun 24 22:03:26 <jacekowski> old version of it
Jun 24 22:03:37 <jacekowski> with only C89 support
Jun 24 22:03:53 <jacekowski> ( we still sell devices with that processor )
Jun 24 22:05:28 <Arkenoi> does intel still sell ia64 workstations? hp does not anymore :-(
Jun 24 22:06:00 <flailingmonkey> the sad thing about optimization these days is that most programmers don't have a clue about how to even approach it
Jun 24 22:06:54 <DocScrutinizer51> they never had a clue about asm
Jun 24 22:07:10 <Corsac> that's the whole point of compilers, though :)
Jun 24 22:08:10 <jacekowski> well, i very often look at assembly generated by compiler to see if C code can be improved to generate faster code
Jun 24 22:08:25 <jacekowski> and smaller
Jun 24 22:08:35 <DocScrutinizer51> usually it can
Jun 24 22:08:36 <flailingmonkey> egh. without an understanding of system architecture, they have no hope
Jun 24 22:08:50 <flailingmonkey> definitely
Jun 24 22:09:03 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer51: well, with gcc it's quite easy to make it worse
Jun 24 22:09:18 <jacekowski> visual studio compiler is hopeless
Jun 24 22:10:38 <jacekowski> only asm compilers generate code i would like to see
Jun 24 22:10:50 <jacekowski> hmm, with one exception
Jun 24 22:11:10 <jacekowski> i remember when i spent quite some time with macros defined in masm
Jun 24 22:11:27 <flailingmonkey> theres a reason compilers sales can still make a profit
Jun 24 22:11:30 <jacekowski> that caused me some grief
Jun 24 22:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> flailingmonkey: I'll come up with a minimalistic version of jrbme until next week
Jun 24 22:25:18 <DocScrutinizer> flailingmonkey: seems meego needs it
Jun 24 22:26:32 <DocScrutinizer> flailingmonkey: probably Nokia realized the original bme is so brainshot fuckedup they simply can't fix it so it would run under meego chroot or whatever they do to make the nokia blobs behave in meego
Jun 24 22:27:17 <flailingmonkey> DocScrutinizer: sounds great, I highly doubt that the Nokians will really be able to fix bme without starting over, and they aren't willing to do that
Jun 24 22:27:18 <DocScrutinizer> and quite obviously it has other issues beyonf meego incompatibility
Jun 24 22:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> flailingmonkey: exactly
Jun 24 22:28:24 <flailingmonkey> from a project management POV, they don't have the budget for such a task
Jun 24 22:28:55 <flailingmonkey> I am very curious what they used in harmattan/N9
Jun 24 22:28:58 <DocScrutinizer> my take on bme is: it's been developed by 57 contractor companies, all the time since 1999 Nokia 6110
Jun 24 22:29:37 <DocScrutinizer> and mow absolutely nobody has a clue what's done for which reason - basically a huge stinking pile of cargo cult
Jun 24 22:30:32 <flailingmonkey> I've seen that quite often, the knowledge just evaporates without documentation
Jun 24 22:30:39 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jun 24 22:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> and each itteration is composed of more bug caused by false assumptions about what was the meaning of this part of code in last version, plus uneducated bandaids that just *seem* to work
Jun 24 22:33:06 <flailingmonkey> mhm. are they able to even tell you what bme's responsible for
Jun 24 22:36:50 <flailingmonkey> some requirements would be nice. but sometimes a little help is too much to ask for :P
Jun 24 22:37:34 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming
Jun 24 22:38:41 <DocScrutinizer> flailingmonkey: I asked for requirements specs for bme. "We are looking into it, but ut has legal issues" :-/
Jun 24 22:39:55 <flailingmonkey> if you kept bringing it up at hardware adaptation meetings, you might get it. people need reminding
Jun 24 22:40:05 <flailingmonkey> s/kept/keep/
Jun 24 22:40:06 <infobot> flailingmonkey meant: if you keep bringing it up at hardware adaptation meetings, you might get it. people need reminding
Jun 24 22:40:42 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia common notion is: "if we tell the battery mustn't become hotter than 70°C, and there's this sensor to probe, then we're liable when some idiot does it wrong and makes the cell explode"
Jun 24 22:41:35 <DocScrutinizer> obviously a paradox assumption, but oh well I can't cure that
Jun 24 22:43:26 <DocScrutinizer> also frequently claimed are "patended intelectual properties" in BME. I honestly doubt there are any in N900 bme, but how to prove them wrong, when you can't even get a look on the requirement specs, not to talk about the src
Jun 24 22:44:24 <DocScrutinizer> maybe there have been, until maybe 2001, and that's now some meta-cargo-cult
Jun 24 22:44:27 <SpeedEvil> Is there a sane thing that lets me reorganise apps into folders?
Jun 24 22:44:51 <ptl> SpeedEvil: ApMeFo
Jun 24 22:44:53 <SpeedEvil> For example - I have lots of apps that are in my testing queue, that are cluttering up my app list
Jun 24 22:45:16 <flailingmonkeyN9> sorry, changed connections without disconnecting from irc
Jun 24 22:45:42 * SpeedEvil tries ptls suggestion.
Jun 24 22:45:45 <DocScrutinizer> /msg nameserver ghost <prevNick>
Jun 24 22:46:09 <DocScrutinizer> err nickserv
Jun 24 22:46:24 <DocScrutinizer> flailingmonkeyN9: ^^^
Jun 24 22:46:40 <flailingmonkey> done
Jun 24 22:47:23 <Venemo> if the autobuilder successfully build my package, what happens?
Jun 24 22:52:59 <flailingmonkey> it would get imported into the devel repository
Jun 24 22:53:16 <flailingmonkey> DocScrutinizer: caught up from irc log site :P
Jun 24 22:53:55 <flailingmonkey> and yeah, no one knows so they have to be cautious rather than take a risk that they'd be liable for (wrt patents)
Jun 24 22:54:16 <ptl> software patents aren't valid in Europe
Jun 24 22:54:28 <ptl> an european guy couldn't do an open-source version without worries?
Jun 24 22:55:08 <flailingmonkey> hah, as if its ever so simple
Jun 24 22:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> if battery charging is implemented in sw, then it doesn't mean the paptent regarding charging are sw patents
Jun 24 22:55:33 <flailingmonkey> sharing that information also encounters export laws
Jun 24 22:56:01 <flailingmonkey> as ridiculous as it sounds, these are the realities of the law
Jun 24 22:59:43 <djkrikke> Hi guys, the wiki gives me the idea to use " /some/script * * com.nokia.icd status_changed * WLAN_INFRA" in the dbus scripts directory for wlan changes. Will this work for com.nokia.phone.net status changes too?
Jun 24 22:59:56 <djkrikke> And if someone knows, how do I know how much params I have to pass?
Jun 24 23:00:39 <pupnik> Crossing the rubycon...
Jun 24 23:03:11 <orangey> hello all
Jun 24 23:03:45 <orangey> is the media player in n900 already an UPNP controller / client?
Jun 24 23:05:42 <djkrikke> orangey, my n900 detects an upnp device
Jun 24 23:06:08 <orangey> djkrikke: ok
Jun 24 23:07:29 <orangey> djkrikke: can you control the UPNP devices?
Jun 24 23:07:38 <djkrikke> what do you mean with control?
Jun 24 23:08:59 <orangey> djkrikke: the upnp also allows people to control upnp devices remotely
Jun 24 23:09:17 <orangey> http://netzflocken.de/2008/1/30/coherence-and-rhythmbox-upnp-interaction
Jun 24 23:09:24 <flailingmonkey> orangey: there is an app called Zhaan which lets you act as a UPNP control point
Jun 24 23:09:28 <djkrikke> hmm, I'm not aware of what control means with upnp
Jun 24 23:09:46 <orangey> flailingmonkey: yeah, I'm really, really interested in zhaan
Jun 24 23:09:51 <orangey> especially coupled with vera
Jun 24 23:10:28 <djkrikke> what can you control actually?
Jun 24 23:10:45 <djkrikke> I mean, you get a list of songs/movies/etc.., what do you have to control on that?
Jun 24 23:10:47 <orangey> djkrikke: everything : )
Jun 24 23:10:52 <orangey> play, stop, etc.
Jun 24 23:10:56 <flailingmonkey> I read about Vera, on the blog of the author of Zhaan
Jun 24 23:10:56 <orangey> if they're playing on your computer, say
Jun 24 23:11:19 <orangey> flailingmonkey: same
Jun 24 23:12:42 <orangey> god. I'm an idiot.. I wasn't on the WLAN while trying to test the uPNP server ; )
Jun 24 23:13:18 <orangey> man, 2010 is awesome
Jun 24 23:13:45 <djkrikke> haha :D
Jun 24 23:16:03 <dick-richardson> will meego's gui be based on X? i.e. will ssh x forwarding work as it does now under maemo?
Jun 24 23:16:33 <pupnik> good question.  i think the answer for now, is not really
Jun 24 23:16:45 <ptl> "not really"?
Jun 24 23:16:48 <ptl> but it has QT and X
Jun 24 23:16:50 <ptl> isn't it?
Jun 24 23:17:02 <pupnik> can you do opengl2 over a network?
Jun 24 23:17:05 <DocScrutinizer51> WHAT? meego no X???
Jun 24 23:17:18 <pupnik> with meego?
Jun 24 23:18:13 <asj> I would be shocked if it didn't use X
Jun 24 23:19:05 <flailingmonkey> rofl
Jun 24 23:19:07 <DocScrutinizer51> pupnik: openGL is X->HW, while ssh -X is the software api *to* X
Jun 24 23:19:10 <flailingmonkey> meego runs on X
Jun 24 23:19:20 <flailingmonkey> no question about it
Jun 24 23:19:33 <BCMM> yeah, opengl doesn't work with remote X connections
Jun 24 23:19:35 <DocScrutinizer51> I'd bet
Jun 24 23:19:52 <BCMM> well, there is an experimental thing that does it
Jun 24 23:20:14 <DocScrutinizer51> BCMM: as there is no ssh -openGL cmd
Jun 24 23:20:47 <DocScrutinizer51> same as there isn't ssh -nvidia
Jun 24 23:21:02 <pupnik> i think the deeper question is, "should/will meego's gui eye candy have a reasonable non-animated fallback for devices that don't support compositing (currently via opengl)
Jun 24 23:21:02 <DocScrutinizer51> or ssh -directX10
Jun 24 23:21:20 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer51: well, it doesn't even work with X over a normal network
Jun 24 23:21:52 <DocScrutinizer51> then it's no X
Jun 24 23:22:57 <DocScrutinizer51> but I honerstly doubt you're completely right
Jun 24 23:23:17 <DocScrutinizer51> of course i can't start mplayer over ssh
Jun 24 23:23:44 <raster> BCMM:  opengl does work with remote x
Jun 24 23:23:46 <DocScrutinizer51> same as I can't expect any openGL eyecandy
Jun 24 23:23:47 <raster> if you use glx.
Jun 24 23:23:53 <raster> thats the whole point of glx
Jun 24 23:23:54 <BCMM> you can start mplayer over ssh
Jun 24 23:24:03 <raster> problem is everyone wants to bypass x and use "direct" gl
Jun 24 23:24:09 <BCMM> you'll get a horrid frame rate unless it's a really tiny video
Jun 24 23:24:15 <DocScrutinizer51> raster to the rescue, yeah!
Jun 24 23:24:17 <raster> and that bypasses x protocl and the x server entirely
Jun 24 23:24:45 <BCMM> glx doesn't work over networks does it?
Jun 24 23:26:07 <raster> glx does
Jun 24 23:26:09 <raster> its a protocol
Jun 24 23:26:18 <BCMM> ah
Jun 24 23:26:21 <BCMM> now i understand
Jun 24 23:26:29 <raster> fact is theat the gl app will explicitly decide direct or indirect as a gl init
Jun 24 23:26:37 <BCMM> raster: by "bypasses x protocl and the x server entirely", you mean DRI, right?
Jun 24 23:27:00 <djkrikke> guys, someone knows how to find out the dbus "listener" I can use for com.nokia.phone.net registration status?
Jun 24 23:27:31 <ptl> I don't
Jun 24 23:27:45 <djkrikke> there are examples on the wifi commands
Jun 24 23:27:53 <djkrikke> but none on the phone.net
Jun 24 23:28:17 <raster> and indirect == glx protocol
Jun 24 23:28:18 <raster> direct == bypass xserver/protocol
Jun 24 23:28:18 <raster> and 99.99995 of things use direct
Jun 24 23:28:30 <pupnik> i think the focus atm is to concentrate on making meego netbook/handheld work and feel like a real modern, slick, easy OS
Jun 24 23:29:05 <asj> pupnik: are you implying that my remote X requirements aren't the most important thing they should be considering?
Jun 24 23:29:28 <pupnik> i am
Jun 24 23:29:41 <asj> pupnik: well I'm buying an ipad then! ;)
Jun 24 23:29:53 <Venemo> hey guys!
Jun 24 23:30:22 <Venemo> check out the latest invention: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=728270#post728270
Jun 24 23:30:47 <asj> Venemo: hey that's cool :)
Jun 24 23:30:54 <DocScrutinizer51> raster: servus
Jun 24 23:31:11 <raster> BCMM: correct. DRI is one thing used to bypass x protocol - u bypass x protocol then u bypass the ability to remote display
Jun 24 23:31:19 <raster> (well its a tad more complex - bu tthats the basics)
Jun 24 23:31:19 <wolf^> Venemo, nice
Jun 24 23:31:22 <raster> DocScrutinizer51: yo yo
Jun 24 23:33:36 <pupnik> raster: sounds like with glx i should be able to get hardware accelerated opengl from a VM window
Jun 24 23:34:31 <raster> pupnik: yes.
Jun 24 23:34:53 <raster> tho the hw accel would happen outside the vm's virtual fb etc.
Jun 24 23:34:59 <Arkenoi> funny, builtin media player recognizes mkv as media file but refuses to play it
Jun 24 23:35:11 <pupnik> would the VM look to the graphics card just like a local application?
Jun 24 23:35:32 <pupnik> no, that's not possible.  blergh
Jun 24 23:36:16 <Venemo> asj, wolf^: thanks for the kind words
Jun 24 23:36:33 <Venemo> I would be glad if you gave the app a test drive :)
Jun 24 23:37:37 <wolf^> Venemo, but doesn't install
Jun 24 23:37:41 <wolf^> Unpacking sticky-notes (from .../sticky-notes_0.1.2_armel.deb) ...
Jun 24 23:37:41 <wolf^> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory
Jun 24 23:37:50 <Venemo> huh?
Jun 24 23:37:52 <Venemo> weird
Jun 24 23:37:54 <Venemo> let me check
Jun 24 23:38:17 <Venemo> packaging is still something I don't excel in
Jun 24 23:41:17 <n900-1> hey guys
Jun 24 23:41:25 <Venemo> hi
Jun 24 23:41:27 <n900-1> a question about the latest qt sdk 1.0
Jun 24 23:41:38 <Venemo> n900-1: we're listening
Jun 24 23:42:13 <pupnik> raster: the xen guys said i can switch between OS's and after I switch, each has 'native' control of the GPU.  Is that possible?  Can the gpu 'save the state' in one OS before switching to another?
Jun 24 23:43:24 <n900-1> i know that we can set the target to be n900 and hence keep on coding in qt and running that code will result in the app automatically transfering to n900 and running on it (madde totally integrates now right?), can this be done with n97 also, that is what my friend want to know?
Jun 24 23:43:47 <Venemo> n900-1: yes, you can develop for Symbian devices as well
Jun 24 23:44:05 <Venemo> although you'd better check a symbian forum or channel about how
Jun 24 23:44:59 <keemo_> Hi
Jun 24 23:45:45 <raster> pupnik: depends on drivers really
Jun 24 23:46:01 <raster> pupnik: asa such you have 1 bit of real hardware being given to multiple os's
Jun 24 23:46:06 <raster> maybe one after the other
Jun 24 23:46:18 <raster> but the drivers assume they are the only os and onyl thing using the gpu
Jun 24 23:46:22 <pupnik> i read some posts about hardware support for virtualization
Jun 24 23:46:25 <raster> so - chances are u're asking for trouble
Jun 24 23:46:30 <pupnik> right
Jun 24 23:46:43 <raster> saving gpu state reauires full gpu knowledge
Jun 24 23:46:47 <n900-1> aha so Venemo , the n97 will be connected to my pc and the same experience of development like n900?
Jun 24 23:46:48 <raster> requires
Jun 24 23:46:59 <n900-1> oh yea, i'll check the forums
Jun 24 23:47:10 <raster> the safest would be each os totally from-scratch inits the gpu when it starts using it
Jun 24 23:47:16 <trip0> how does the qt sdk 1.0 make maemo development easier?
Jun 24 23:47:20 <raster> and totally shuts it down/cleans it up before it gets handed over
Jun 24 23:47:26 <trip0> does it include a crosscompiler?
Jun 24 23:47:32 <n900-1> its going to most probably require the qt libs to be present in n97, thanks to pr1.2 that takes care of that on n900.
Jun 24 23:47:34 <raster> thats about the best u can do without a proepr virtualised gl driver
Jun 24 23:48:34 <pupnik> just imagining all the stuff that would have to be done is boggling me
Jun 24 23:50:00 <raster> these days a gpu is not unlike a whole cpu in complexity
Jun 24 23:50:18 <raster> so sharing that resource is non-trivial - indeed.
Jun 24 23:50:37 <raster> the best bet is almost always to have a single real driver sit on top of the gpu and this real driver exposes a "virtual" driver
Jun 24 23:50:58 <raster> that uses a different "protocol" and handles gpu context switching, resource sharing etc.
Jun 24 23:51:09 <nkinkade> Hi all.  Does anyone happen to know how one can set/get whether the USB port is in "mass storage" or "pc suite" mode (N900 question)?
Jun 24 23:51:20 <raster> not really unlike how xserver does for multiple processes and 2d gfx
Jun 24 23:51:21 <raster> etc.
Jun 24 23:51:35 <nkinkade> ... set/get programmatically, that is.
Jun 24 23:52:47 <pupnik> raster: does the term "gpu hypervisor" make sense?
Jun 24 23:53:12 <raster> it would - if gpu's were open
Jun 24 23:53:24 <raster> as such i dont believe in the xen model
Jun 24 23:53:37 <raster> ie hypervisors in general
Jun 24 23:53:49 <raster> i believe in the simpler "kvm" "vmware" etc. model
Jun 24 23:53:52 <raster> u have a host os
Jun 24 23:54:06 <asj> ok the comic strip widget rocks
Jun 24 23:54:12 <raster> and if u want virtual machines - they just lurk as your run-of-the-mill process there
Jun 24 23:54:21 <pupnik> raster: so the switching isn't limited to the hardware capabilities
Jun 24 23:54:29 <raster> and after that life is pretty easy compared to the hypervisor way
Jun 24 23:54:40 <pupnik> oh for the user, very much
Jun 24 23:54:53 <pupnik> was just testing meego in qemu
Jun 24 23:55:00 <raster> implementing a virtual gl device here - as well as pretty much any hardware, now is easy and actually is the right model/way to go
Jun 24 23:55:05 <raster> guest os doesnt see real hw
Jun 24 23:55:11 <raster> it sees fake/virtualised hw
Jun 24 23:55:21 <raster> and the real host hw is an entirely different matter
Jun 24 23:55:36 <pupnik> right and if the OSes both use a decent graphics API, then we have a better situation
Jun 24 23:55:38 <raster> u can chnage host hardware at will - and guess doesnt need to know or care
Jun 24 23:55:54 <raster> well yes
Jun 24 23:56:24 <raster> for example a virtual gl device would be a bit of hw where u stuff an opengl api call + needed data into some command-=queue buffer thats is exposed as a hw memory region
Jun 24 23:56:37 <raster> the other end simple decodes and sends it right to gl
Jun 24 23:56:54 <Robot101> raster: we've done this with qemu
Jun 24 23:57:26 <Robot101> well there was an old branch, its updated to work with kvm now, and do pageflipping into and out of the host gl
Jun 24 23:57:31 <raster> (and sends back responses as needed - of course this is a simplified view - attached data like texture data to upload means more data - maybe view opening up and exposing memory pages from the guest os to the host)
Jun 24 23:57:48 <raster> Robot101: sounds like the right way to me
Jun 24 23:58:16 <raster> tho last i heard of this - i don't know if we talk of the same thing, this only partially worked - ie principle was right, but not fully/properly implemented?
Jun 24 23:58:29 <Robot101> works fine now
Jun 24 23:58:48 <Robot101> its not strictly virtualised because its only as 'secure' as the host gl driver/hw
Jun 24 23:59:04 <raster> true
Jun 24 23:59:14 <GAN900> w00t_, ping?
Jun 24 23:59:23 <w00t_> pong!
Jun 24 23:59:28 <raster> but for the purpose of emulating let's say opengl-es in qemu on top of a host opengl for development- it'd be sufficient
Jun 24 23:59:37 <raster> i assume that was the intent? :)
Jun 24 23:59:39 <Venemo> what is this ping-pong stuff?
Jun 24 23:59:43 <Robot101> yup, exactly what it was for :)
Jun 24 23:59:49 <GAN900> w00t_, Maemo/community/contributor/w00t OK?
Jun 24 23:59:56 <raster> (well u had to als do gles -> gl along the way - but thats not too hard)
Jun 24 23:59:58 <w00t_> GAN900: ack
Jun 25 00:00:01 <raster> Robot101:  :):)
Jun 25 00:00:21 <GAN900> w00t_, OK, updating bug #8450
Jun 25 00:00:22 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8450 Add remaining IRC cloaks
Jun 25 00:00:29 <Robot101> raster: lemme find a link
Jun 25 00:00:30 <w00t_> the thought of emulating opengl makes me happy
Jun 25 00:00:49 <Robot101> raster: glReadPixels really fucks the whole day up though :)
Jun 25 00:00:53 <Robot101> sloooo oooooo oooooooooow
Jun 25 00:01:06 <w00t_> GAN900: ta
Jun 25 00:01:14 <Robot101> http://gitorious.org/vm-gl-accel
Jun 25 00:01:20 <Robot101> even works on windows
Jun 25 00:01:29 <Robot101> (hosts)
Jun 25 00:01:29 <raster> Robot101: glreadpixels fucks pretty much everything up
Jun 25 00:01:34 <raster> as does glwritepixels
Jun 25 00:01:36 <raster> and glcopypixels
Jun 25 00:01:41 <Robot101> bit of a lack of kvm there though
Jun 25 00:01:42 <raster> in general - avoid them like the plague
Jun 25 00:02:00 <raster> if they DO work right.. they invariablyu work as software fallbacks at the speed of continental drift
Jun 25 00:03:36 <Robot101> well if your host gfx card doesn't use main memory, you have to snort the render results out of it to give them to your guest to composite or whatever
Jun 25 00:04:02 <Robot101> not quite sure the stuff is up to moving gl handles in and our of your guest system
Jun 25 00:04:23 <Robot101> but its performant even on non-intel gfx so they sorted it somehow
Jun 25 00:05:05 <Robot101> raster: you still in korea or moved on elsewhere?
Jun 25 00:06:43 * Robot101 decides to sleep
Jun 25 00:06:52 <Robot101> raster: catch you later
Jun 25 00:06:59 <raster> Robot101: in kr
Jun 25 00:07:00 <raster> sorry
Jun 25 00:07:02 <raster> people around
Jun 25 00:07:11 <Robot101> no worries, I gotta crash
Jun 25 00:07:19 <Robot101> trouble keeping my eyes open
Jun 25 00:07:26 <Robot101> 'night
Jun 25 00:07:37 <raster> nite
Jun 25 00:14:06 <asj> pr1.2 has made the n900 a much better phone, I've made/received 4-5 calls in the last 2 days and it hasn't screwed up any of them
Jun 25 00:14:39 <pigeon> is there a way to disable usb charging on the n900?
Jun 25 00:15:42 <pigeon> raster: muhahahaha
Jun 25 00:16:39 <raster> pigeon: MUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAWHAHA
Jun 25 00:16:50 <pigeon> raster: indeed
Jun 25 00:18:29 <obsidieth> hmm. my wireless stopped working over night
Jun 25 00:18:39 <obsidieth> this happened to anyone else? seems like it might have slept or something
Jun 25 00:21:25 <pigeon> the power management stuff maybe?</wildguess>
Jun 25 00:21:51 <obsidieth> where would one look for this?
Jun 25 00:22:47 <pigeon> i believe in internet connections in the settings, for each network there's a power saving settings or something like that.
Jun 25 00:23:56 <obsidieth> ah. it was on.
Jun 25 00:24:10 <obsidieth> and now i can see it
Jun 25 00:24:15 <obsidieth> should i try setting it to intermediate perhaps.
Jun 25 00:24:20 <pigeon> i read somewhere on the wiki, the power saving might not work well with some access point
Jun 25 00:25:17 <pigeon> http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_power_saving_mode
Jun 25 00:25:30 <SpeedEvil> ~powersaving
Jun 25 00:26:45 <obsidieth> interesting, it would seem thast the case
Jun 25 00:28:21 <mortini> pigeon: aha. that's annoyed the heck out of me.
Jun 25 00:31:36 <obsidieth> i need a psm supported router apparently.
Jun 25 00:34:50 <obsidieth> bleh. this is quite strange.
Jun 25 00:34:55 <obsidieth> wireless os disappearing.
Jun 25 00:37:20 <mortini> obsidieth: while not as convienant, i don't have the problem when it's plugged into my laptop
Jun 25 00:37:29 <mortini> depending on what you're trying to do
Jun 25 00:37:34 <mortini> outside of general use.
Jun 25 00:37:46 <obsidieth> i was experimenting with 'wireless switcher' in an ill guided attempt to save battery
Jun 25 00:37:52 <obsidieth> that might be it, i had no issues previously.
Jun 25 00:38:19 <mortini> ah
Jun 25 00:38:35 <mortini> when i first got my n900 a few weeks ago, i was trying to download pr1.2 & it kept dying on me
Jun 25 00:38:48 <mortini> because of that, i think, idk, it was super annoying.
Jun 25 00:38:59 <obsidieth> owch
Jun 25 00:46:09 <obsidieth> hmm anyone been using cpan for perl modules
Jun 25 00:49:10 <obsidieth> seems to be exploded by gzip.
Jun 25 00:53:04 <obsidieth> Going to read /home/user/.cpan/sources/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz
Jun 25 00:53:05 <obsidieth> /bin/gzip: unrecognized option `--decompress'
Jun 25 00:57:08 <n900-1> what is rx71 ?
Jun 25 00:57:12 <n900-1> anybody knows
Jun 25 00:57:23 <n900-1> ab $ mad list  Targets: harmattan-1021     (installable) fremantle-pr12     (default) maemo412-1         (installable)  Runtimes: rx71-harmattan-1021  (installable) rx51-fremantle-pr12  (default) rx48-diablo          (installable)
Jun 25 00:57:33 <n900-1> mad terminal shows that
Jun 25 00:57:51 <mortini> obsidieth: might need to install the gnu-gzip
Jun 25 00:58:07 <mortini> and gnu-tar packages
Jun 25 00:58:22 <mortini> i know i had issues with the busybox tar not working properly on some tarballs
Jun 25 01:03:36 <arachnist> n900-1: an unknown device by nokia. possibly a phone, tablet or a development board
Jun 25 01:05:37 <ManoftheSea> arachnist: that's a pretty good guess.
Jun 25 01:06:03 <ManoftheSea> "device X: an unknown device by an unknown company, possibly made of matter"
Jun 25 01:06:15 <obsidieth> hmm. what repo are they in.
Jun 25 01:06:30 <obsidieth> pure 'gzip' involves dependency hell. and i see no gnu-gzip package.
Jun 25 01:07:36 <n900-1> its in the "mad list" of the new madde installed with the qt sdk 1.0 arachnist
Jun 25 01:08:24 <arachnist> n900-1: so it would seem that nokia people are already developing/testing software for that device
Jun 25 01:08:51 <n900-1> Runtimes:
Jun 25 01:08:56 <n900-1> rx71-harmattan-1021  (installable)
Jun 25 01:09:03 <n900-1> rx51-fremantle-pr12  (default)
Jun 25 01:09:12 <n900-1> rx48-diablo          (installable)
Jun 25 01:09:18 <n900-1> Targets:
Jun 25 01:09:25 <n900-1> harmattan-1021     (installable)
Jun 25 01:09:32 <n900-1> fremantle-pr12     (default)
Jun 25 01:09:38 <n900-1> maemo412-1         (installable)
Jun 25 01:09:52 <obsidieth> hmm.
Jun 25 01:10:03 <obsidieth> basically im just trying to obtain 'IO::Socket::INET6'
Jun 25 01:10:13 <obsidieth> maybe ill have to compile a full gzip?
Jun 25 01:11:11 <mortini> obsidieth: sorry, i thought there was a gnu-gzip, just a gnu-tar
Jun 25 01:11:35 <mortini> try building it manually?
Jun 25 01:11:45 <mortini> or, extracting it and then building it manually?
Jun 25 01:12:04 <obsidieth> theres a gzip on the forum, but
Jun 25 01:12:10 <obsidieth> it throws anohter error in cpan
Jun 25 01:12:26 <obsidieth> Going to read /home/user/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
Jun 25 01:12:26 <obsidieth> Can't exec "/home/user/gzip": Not a directory at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/IO/File.pm line 70, <FIN> line 1.
Jun 25 01:12:29 <obsidieth> Could not pipe[/home/user/gzip --decompress --stdout /home/user/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz |]: Not a directory at /usr/share/perl/5.8/CPAN.pm line 5728, <FIN> line 1.
Jun 25 01:14:22 <arachnist> huh
Jun 25 01:14:51 <mortini> obsidieth: imo, go manaully grab the file
Jun 25 01:15:00 <mortini> copy it over and try it yourself
Jun 25 01:15:19 <Macer> funny thing
Jun 25 01:15:37 <mortini> wget http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/S/SH/SHLOMIF/IO-Socket-INET6-2.65.tar.gz
Jun 25 01:15:50 <Macer> i have almost completely stopped using laptops and PCs and use my n900 more than anything
Jun 25 01:16:00 <mortini> dammit. no wget.
Jun 25 01:16:21 <Macer> if it had cups and real bluetooth keyboard support i wouldnt need a laptop
Jun 25 01:16:24 <Macer> :)
Jun 25 01:17:00 <Macer> any plans to add either?
Jun 25 01:17:12 <n900-1> Macer: n900 is awesome, but i just want to replace its keyboard with a one that has softer keys :) .. when i write a  lot on it, i keep going back to the virtual keyboard, and vkbs i dont like
Jun 25 01:17:47 <Macer> i want bluetooth kb support like maemo4 had on my n810
Jun 25 01:17:57 <Macer> with su8w support
Jun 25 01:17:58 <mortini> dammit, i hate it when i screen in screen.
Jun 25 01:18:15 <Macer> or any travel keyboard will do tbh
Jun 25 01:18:35 <n900-1> i cant carry a keyboard .. and i want to write a lot ..
Jun 25 01:18:35 <Macer> and a working koffice would be great
Jun 25 01:18:36 <obsidieth> seems like a good idea.
Jun 25 01:18:43 <Macer> with cups support
Jun 25 01:18:53 <n900-1> if the keys were a lil soft in pressing, it wudnt tire me ever from writing on n900
Jun 25 01:19:06 <Macer> my su8w is the same size as the n900
Jun 25 01:19:08 <Macer> heh
Jun 25 01:19:18 <Macer> folded it easily fits in a pocket
Jun 25 01:19:30 <n900-1> aha cool
Jun 25 01:19:47 <Macer> there are a few traveling keyboards like that
Jun 25 01:19:48 <ptl> I had a bluetooth keyboard
Jun 25 01:19:50 <ptl> I sold it
Jun 25 01:19:53 <n900-1> what is it, i havent seen it
Jun 25 01:19:58 <ptl> I don't think it's practical
Jun 25 01:20:05 <n900-1> give me some link, or a name i can google Macer
Jun 25 01:20:09 <Macer> ptl: i loved using it with my n810
Jun 25 01:20:16 <ptl> hmm
Jun 25 01:20:19 <Macer> just image google it
Jun 25 01:20:26 <Macer> nokia su8w
Jun 25 01:20:29 <ptl> maybe mine wasn't practical
Jun 25 01:20:31 <ptl> and batteries and such
Jun 25 01:20:34 <n900-1> ok
Jun 25 01:20:35 <ptl> I know nokia su8w
Jun 25 01:20:36 <n900-1> doing it
Jun 25 01:20:36 <mortini> obsidieth: 'course, the dependancies will suck
Jun 25 01:20:39 <mortini> \
Jun 25 01:20:43 <ptl> it was just a little smaller than mine
Jun 25 01:20:50 <Macer> heh
Jun 25 01:21:10 <Macer> ptl: i used to use cups with my n810
Jun 25 01:21:17 <Macer> it was awesome
Jun 25 01:21:24 <Macer> i didnt need a laptop
Jun 25 01:21:29 <Macer> for school
Jun 25 01:21:36 <ptl> I never even tried to use cups in N900. Is it easy to print via bluetooth?
Jun 25 01:21:36 <Macer> used to use my n95 more
Jun 25 01:21:54 <Macer> i dont think there is cups for n900/maemo 5
Jun 25 01:22:02 <Macer> nor any apps that support it
Jun 25 01:22:11 <n900-1> yea this looks cute :)
Jun 25 01:22:20 <n900-1> shud have it !! Must have it now !!
Jun 25 01:22:26 <Macer> on the n810 i used PB's kde chroot
Jun 25 01:22:29 <n900-1> can always have it around in my backpack
Jun 25 01:22:33 <n900-1> how much is it for
Jun 25 01:22:47 <Macer> n900-1: not worth buying for the n900
Jun 25 01:23:01 <Macer> the bt keyboard support is a pain to do
Jun 25 01:23:07 <Macer> no support for it in the ui
Jun 25 01:23:13 <Macer> and requires remapping
Jun 25 01:23:42 <Macer> i was only able to get it to work properly when the n900 was open
Jun 25 01:24:20 <Macer> which seems a step backwards
Jun 25 01:24:36 <obsidieth> let us see.
Jun 25 01:24:40 <Macer> considering the n810/maemo 4 worked fine with it
Jun 25 01:24:58 <pupnik> it is difficult for a linux geek to care about n900 discussions - they revolve around theings we do not care about
Jun 25 01:25:17 <ptl> Macer: you can use cups via easy debian
Jun 25 01:25:32 <Macer> ptl: i considered that
Jun 25 01:25:38 <obsidieth> eh. does this tar have different syntax
Jun 25 01:25:42 <Macer> since ooffice is included
Jun 25 01:25:48 <Macer> but
Jun 25 01:25:57 <Macer> i need bt keyboard support
Jun 25 01:26:24 <Macer> i want an ultra portable office suite
Jun 25 01:26:28 <Macer> :)
Jun 25 01:26:50 <Macer> it would be nice if all this could be native
Jun 25 01:27:10 <Macer> i remember seeing work done on a maemo ver of koffice
Jun 25 01:27:30 <Macer> wonder how far along that has gotten
Jun 25 01:29:27 <n900-1> well maybe nokia doesn something that wud add the support for it
Jun 25 01:30:02 <n900-1> does*
Jun 25 01:30:18 <Macer> heh
Jun 25 01:30:31 <Macer> well the lack of bt kb support sucks
Jun 25 01:32:09 <obsidieth> hmm im almost there
Jun 25 01:32:16 <obsidieth> it looked like the module compiled, but i dont see it.
Jun 25 01:33:06 <pigeon> i thought bt kb works with the n900?
Jun 25 01:35:15 <flailingmonkey> i've heard it works from some people, but i've also heard that it doesn't
Jun 25 01:35:52 <pigeon> speaking of which, i was trying to get a bt mouse working with the n900, they paired ok, but that's about it.
Jun 25 01:36:02 <flailingmonkey> after enabling bluetooth HID, you need a pc102 layout (usually) and there isn't one
Jun 25 01:36:22 <flailingmonkey> no cursor probably would be and issue
Jun 25 01:36:35 <pigeon> not only that i think.
Jun 25 01:36:56 <pigeon> it feels more like they're not connected.
Jun 25 01:37:11 <pigeon> and i couldn't get them to connect
Jun 25 01:37:28 <obsidieth> another thing, has anyone had success running irssi with perl scripting included? seems like a custopm build might be needd there too.
Jun 25 01:38:46 <Macer> there... filed a bug for bt keyboard support
Jun 25 01:39:50 <ptl> 22:45 *** Irssi: Unknown command: script
Jun 25 01:39:51 <ptl> dang
Jun 25 01:39:53 <ptl> no luck
Jun 25 01:40:10 <Macer> do people still use scripts?
Jun 25 01:40:13 <Macer> :)
Jun 25 01:40:31 <Macer> last i remember was using venom in ircii heh
Jun 25 01:41:45 <obsidieth> perl modules done, that worked nicely.
Jun 25 01:41:52 <obsidieth> just had to build one dependency :D
Jun 25 01:42:00 <ptl> for irssi?
Jun 25 01:42:01 <obsidieth> but yeah, it seems the binary of irssi hasnt got perl enabled.
Jun 25 01:42:06 <obsidieth> eh, i was messing with some v6 perl.
Jun 25 01:42:16 <obsidieth> io::socket:inet6
Jun 25 01:42:29 <ptl> ok
Jun 25 01:42:34 <ptl> I thought you had built irssi with perl support for maemo
Jun 25 01:42:46 <obsidieth> i will try and build it from scratch some time soon.
Jun 25 01:42:54 <obsidieth> if it cannot just be turned on
Jun 25 01:45:03 <ptl> don't forget to optify it
Jun 25 01:45:19 <obsidieth> im not sure what that is.
Jun 25 01:47:29 <ptl> obsidieth: http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem
Jun 25 01:49:18 <flailingmonkey> it's a fun maemoism
Jun 25 01:50:47 <dotblank> hmm I get this error when trying to deploy my Qt app
Jun 25 01:50:48 <dotblank> Deployment failed: Could not copy local file '/scratchbox/users/eli/home/eli/qt4/Groove-build/groove' to remote file '/home/developer/groove': SFTP Error code: <4>, description: Failure.
Jun 25 01:55:53 <the_lord-n900> MohammadAG51, ping
Jun 25 01:56:32 <dotblank> oh nvm gdb had messed up
Jun 25 01:56:58 <flailingmonkey> night
Jun 25 01:57:23 <the_lord-n900> hi, I'm having trouble installing ovi store apps from apt-get
Jun 25 01:58:31 <the_lord-n900> I've read the forums and I know it's a problem with apt, and I can solve it installing a previous version of it, but I can't find it
Jun 25 01:59:00 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG51 had a link I think.
Jun 25 01:59:02 <SpeedEvil> I forget
Jun 25 01:59:47 <the_lord-n900> SpeedEvil, yes, but the link is broken
Jun 25 02:00:31 <Macer> was chromium removed?
Jun 25 02:00:36 <Macer> i wanted to try iy
Jun 25 02:00:39 <Macer> it
Jun 25 02:01:39 <Macer> going to try tear i suppose
Jun 25 02:02:12 <Macer> tear wasnt so bad
Jun 25 02:04:03 <Macer> guess tear wont run
Jun 25 02:04:07 <Macer> :/
Jun 25 02:13:59 <pigeon> Macer: chromium was removed, yes
Jun 25 02:16:49 <pyther> Hi
Jun 25 02:17:08 <pyther> I have my phone set to connect to wifi automatically, does that mean it will ask me to connect to the 3g?
Jun 25 02:19:34 <Macer> pigeon: any reason why?
Jun 25 02:22:09 <pigeon> Macer: http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/
Jun 25 02:23:47 <SpeedEvil> pyther: no
Jun 25 02:24:11 <SpeedEvil> wireless and 3g are seperate
Jun 25 02:24:40 <Macer> pigeon: hahaha
Jun 25 02:24:43 <Macer> wtf?
Jun 25 02:24:54 <Macer> isnt chrome open source?
Jun 25 02:25:49 <Macer> oh
Jun 25 02:25:54 <Macer> redbend?
Jun 25 02:26:00 <Macer> wtf? lame
Jun 25 02:27:20 <arachnist> Macer: chrome isn't. chromium is.
Jun 25 02:27:44 <pyther> SpeedEvil: so since wireless is automatic it will also connect me to the 2g/3g automatically?
Jun 25 02:28:12 <arachnist> pyther: it will only connect to wifi if you set it to connect automatically only to wifi
Jun 25 02:28:57 <Macer> arachnist: which is what the repo had isnt it?
Jun 25 02:29:04 <Macer> a chromium build?
Jun 25 02:29:19 <Macer> blah. whatever :)
Jun 25 02:29:39 <pigeon> Macer: i'm as confused as you are
Jun 25 02:36:45 <SpeedEvil> pyther: no.
Jun 25 02:37:25 <SpeedEvil> Go to settings ->wireless->connect automatically
Jun 25 02:37:37 <SpeedEvil> 'always ask' = it always asks you if you want to
Jun 25 02:37:45 <SpeedEvil> 'wlan' = always for wlan
Jun 25 02:38:06 <SpeedEvil> 'your network operator' - always connect automatially to that network
Jun 25 02:38:17 <SpeedEvil> 'any connection' - connect automatically to anything
Jun 25 02:38:29 <SpeedEvil> The latter can be dangerous near UFOs.
Jun 25 02:40:18 <pyther> SpeedEvil: so if I have wlan automatically it will ask me for to connect to the 2g/3g connection?
Jun 25 02:40:54 <arachnist> pyther: only if no wlan is around that you conneted to before
Jun 25 02:41:05 <pyther> ok great
Jun 25 02:41:20 <pyther> and then with mms will that use the 2g/3g connection automagically?
Jun 25 02:43:07 <SpeedEvil> only if you install fmms
Jun 25 02:43:08 <SpeedEvil> otherwise no
Jun 25 02:43:25 <pyther> ok i installed fmms but the network settings seem to be wrong
Jun 25 02:43:31 <SpeedEvil> and even then, I think you can set it up
Jun 25 02:43:42 <pyther> I used what was in the wiki and it failed :(
Jun 25 02:43:54 <pyther> I thuogh maybe it was trying to use my wifi connection
Jun 25 02:48:20 <pigeon> http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band
Jun 25 02:48:31 <pigeon> that makes me wonder, where is the antenna of the n900?
Jun 25 02:48:49 <asj> pigeon: take the back cover off, I think you can see them there
Jun 25 02:48:59 <SpeedEvil> pigeon: It is around 17 inches to the right of the right-hand side of the case.
Jun 25 02:49:30 <pigeon> hmm
Jun 25 02:49:32 <SpeedEvil> Or more accurately, below the camera button, and right-hand speaker
Jun 25 02:49:38 <SpeedEvil> that is - the 3g
Jun 25 02:49:54 <SpeedEvil> 2g/3g
Jun 25 02:49:59 <asj> apples' answer to the problem, which I dunno I can't give them to hard of a time over: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding-th/
Jun 25 02:51:17 <SpeedEvil> This is pretty much unavoidable.
Jun 25 02:51:35 <SpeedEvil> The n900 has noticably poorer 3g reception with the screen open, and your hand over the antenna
Jun 25 02:51:40 <SpeedEvil> as you will, when typing
Jun 25 02:51:54 <SpeedEvil> Well - if you use two thumbs
Jun 25 02:52:29 <asj> it was very noticeable on the n97, in week signal strength you had to hold it with your finger tips and not like a gorrila grip with your palm covering the whole back
Jun 25 02:53:22 <pigeon> SpeedEvil: that's good to know
Jun 25 02:53:45 <asj> it's also hard when people want all metal cases, there's any so many locations you can put plastic bits to let it radiate
Jun 25 02:53:55 <asj> s/any/only/
Jun 25 02:53:56 <infobot> asj meant: it's also hard when people want all metal cases, there's only so many locations you can put plastic bits to let it radiate
Jun 25 02:54:00 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jun 25 02:55:11 <asj> the 3g ipad I think takes a big design hit with it's big black plastic bar across the top.  of course it advertises to everyone "hey look, not only am I rich enough to spend $1000 on an ipad, I bought the fancy 3g one"
Jun 25 02:56:23 <GeneralAntilles> Who spends $1000?
Jun 25 02:56:38 <pigeon> i got the non-3g one cos the 3g ones sold out, and my wife couldn't wait.
Jun 25 02:56:42 <asj> GeneralAntilles: hmm?
Jun 25 02:56:47 <GeneralAntilles> Top-of-the-line iPad costs $829
Jun 25 02:56:56 <arachnist> http://gl.ict.usc.edu/Research/3DDisplay/
Jun 25 02:56:58 <asj> GeneralAntilles: ah, $AU1000
Jun 25 02:57:10 <GeneralAntilles> Ah
Jun 25 02:57:12 <pigeon> turns out it wasn't that bad, i just get the ipad tether to my n900 for internet, works quite well.
Jun 25 02:57:29 <dotblank> pigeon, nice
Jun 25 02:58:06 <pyther> I can't get my phone out of my otterbox case :(
Jun 25 02:58:11 <asj> 3g ipad has a nice telstra pre-paid data plan, $20/mo for 1gig.  It beats their $10 for 150meg option
Jun 25 02:58:40 <pigeon> asj: you're in au too?
Jun 25 02:58:44 <asj> ayup
Jun 25 02:58:51 <pigeon> ah, me in sydney
Jun 25 02:58:57 <asj> pigeon: brissy
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