**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 25 02:59:57 2010 Jun 25 03:11:48 iPad = lame Jun 25 03:12:50 I would like an iPad like device running maemo/meego, bah then I would need a mad purse, which is the problem Jun 25 03:14:28 Naah. back holster. Jun 25 03:15:17 I want a device the size of the ipod that is robust enough to beat blendtek Jun 25 03:15:57 asj: TouchBook? Jun 25 03:16:18 so um, I have a question/theory Jun 25 03:16:30 my N900 hasn't been on power for about 5 hours now... Jun 25 03:16:34 battery meter is still 100% Jun 25 03:16:40 theory: N900 lies Jun 25 03:20:03 Anyone on ATT USA using mms messaging? Jun 25 03:22:59 luke-jr: using it? Jun 25 03:23:09 luke-jr: The battery meter canbe somewhat inaccurate Jun 25 03:23:22 luke-jr: However - I get a standby of ~120 hours idle Jun 25 03:23:33 SpeedEvil: sortof Jun 25 03:23:46 5 hours is > 1% of 120 :) Jun 25 03:23:59 I tried playing with the FM transmitter earlier Jun 25 03:24:10 didn't work, but if it did should have drained the battery a bit Jun 25 03:24:14 fmtx uses almost no power Jun 25 03:24:22 The transmitted power is ~50nW Jun 25 03:24:40 o Jun 25 03:24:46 luke-jr: make a crypted sip call :) Jun 25 03:25:02 asj: I don't think my endpoints support encryption Jun 25 03:25:16 did at least 5 minutes of SIP calling tho Jun 25 03:25:32 luke-jr: oh well, find one that does, that's 100% cpu and wifi with power saving disabled Jun 25 03:26:03 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter - see inherent limitations Jun 25 03:27:36 luke-jr: why not just install Battery Graph? then you can get pretty graphs too Jun 25 03:28:24 SpeedEvil: well, it didn't work from driver's lap to car radio Jun 25 03:29:42 luke-jr: yes- see above page Jun 25 03:29:52 esp bbc quote Jun 25 03:29:58 it talks about 4m... Jun 25 03:30:10 4m isn't *that* bad, in theory Jun 25 03:42:54 Is there a place to enter in a phone number on the current fmms app? Jun 25 04:02:08 still want my dial pad to come up with I go into the phone Jun 25 04:03:26 ham5: huh? Jun 25 04:03:56 open the phone and it goes to the dial pad not recent calls... Jun 25 04:04:12 that should be an option Jun 25 04:04:35 ok, write an app Jun 25 04:04:59 of course it's still faster just to type a number on the homescreen Jun 25 04:05:23 have to open the keyboard Jun 25 04:05:26 boo Jun 25 04:05:49 it's there for a reason ;) Jun 25 04:09:04 Yippy got MMS messaging to work Jun 25 04:18:55 Does anyone knowif there is a buddy list desktop application? Jun 25 04:19:12 is maxima available in fremantle? can't find it in http://maemo.org/packages/ Jun 25 04:20:44 no, it's not Jun 25 04:20:57 but it would be easy to recompil eit Jun 25 04:20:57 *recompile it using scratchbox Jun 25 04:21:20 ptl, ok, thnx! Jun 25 05:22:21 yello Jun 25 05:22:32 organge Jun 25 05:24:45 green is the new color guys Jun 25 05:26:31 blue Jun 25 05:27:41 indigo Jun 25 05:29:50 I watched the USA World Cup win live on my phone. Guess gow many other phones were able to stream that match live via some random flash-based site Jun 25 05:29:50 maroon!!!!! Jun 25 05:30:01 go ahead, guess... Jun 25 05:32:17 It was a trick question. There are no other phones capable of such awesomness. Jun 25 05:32:30 * PhonoN900 pumps fist Jun 25 05:32:40 PhonoN900: that's not a feature Jun 25 05:32:42 it's a bug Jun 25 05:32:45 Flash = crap Jun 25 05:32:57 also, N900 isn't a phone Jun 25 05:33:01 so your argument is fail Jun 25 05:33:24 ask how many handheld computers are capable of such "awesomeness" next time Jun 25 05:33:35 then you'll realize there's nothing special about it Jun 25 05:34:28 if you want to brag about N900/Maemo, go for the integration aspect ;) Jun 25 05:34:51 or the 5MPcamera Jun 25 05:35:00 that component is actually useful Jun 25 05:35:01 luke-jr: oh come now Jun 25 05:35:09 too bad the GPS doesn't work, or it'd do geotagging too Jun 25 05:35:11 Well, one could say the same of football. But, the World Cup is exciting. So, streaming the World Cup is exciting. All very exciting Jun 25 05:35:28 PhonoN900: I don't even know or care what this "World Cup" is Jun 25 05:35:36 a bunch of adults being paid to play childrens' games? Jun 25 05:35:43 heh Jun 25 05:36:04 luke-jr: you bash the n900 for doing flash, then say "look it's it's wonderful 5mpx camera" which if are follow your reasoning is 3 year old tech and just as lame as doing flash Jun 25 05:36:16 asj: no, Flash sucks in general Jun 25 05:36:20 cameras are pretty nice Jun 25 05:36:25 luke-jr: It is a phone. Jun 25 05:36:34 flash is closed and is buggy Jun 25 05:36:35 it's the integration that makes the N900's camera special Jun 25 05:36:39 PhonoN900: nope Jun 25 05:37:26 PhonoN900: it's a handheld computer Jun 25 05:37:39 the earlier models didn't even support cellular networks Jun 25 05:37:42 luke-jr: you're caught in the trap, of what you want is what everyone else wants Jun 25 05:38:01 It's pretty simple. It has a quad-band gsm module. It is a phone. Jun 25 05:38:03 asj: what makes you think I want Maemo? :p Jun 25 05:38:17 luke-jr: you typed /join #maemo Jun 25 05:38:26 PhonoN900: by that logic, iPad and many other obvious non-phones are also phones Jun 25 05:38:38 luke-jr: ipad doesn't make voice calls Jun 25 05:38:40 asj: no, I didn't. Jun 25 05:38:41 Negative Jun 25 05:38:48 asj: my point exactly Jun 25 05:39:28 luke-jr: n900 makes phone calls just fine, it's one of the first things the intro video does :) Jun 25 05:39:32 the N900 hardware is no doubt *capable* of being a phone... like if you install Android Jun 25 05:39:49 but the older models never could have been, and Maemo wasn't designed to be a phone platform Jun 25 05:40:00 asj: my desktop PC makes phone calls just fine. Jun 25 05:40:20 being able to make a call doesn't make a device a phone Jun 25 05:40:25 luke-jr: no one has ever said n800, so you can't even argue that point if you want to be pedantic Jun 25 05:40:40 N800 is nothing less than an older model of the NIT line Jun 25 05:40:51 it is a predecessor of N900 Jun 25 05:40:56 luke-jr: sure, you can's shove your computer in your pocket and walk around the streets Jun 25 05:40:59 and N810 is a direct predecessor of N900 Jun 25 05:41:07 asj: I can shove many of my computers in my pocket Jun 25 05:41:15 or at least C760 and N810 Jun 25 05:41:42 we all know exactly what we mean. Pedantic bullshit is bullshit Jun 25 05:41:45 out of the box the n900 is capable of making and recieving phone calls and sms's - it is capable of remaining attached to a network ready to make calls for days. it is a phone. that is what all phones do too. Jun 25 05:41:53 PhonoN900: ^5 Jun 25 05:41:55 raster: my N900 wasn't Jun 25 05:42:00 if you wish to have some other personal definition of phone - that's your business Jun 25 05:42:07 luke-jr: mine did Jun 25 05:42:09 phones *only* do that Jun 25 05:42:16 raster: really? you didn't need to install a SIM card? Jun 25 05:42:16 i stuck a sim card in and replaced my phone with it Jun 25 05:42:18 luke-jr: we also bought ours Jun 25 05:42:25 asj: irrelevant detail Jun 25 05:42:31 it was about one of the buggiest phones i've had - only openmoko beat it :) Jun 25 05:42:51 raster: you never owned an n97 v10.0.x obviously Jun 25 05:42:55 lol Jun 25 05:43:01 luke-jr: putting in a sim card is required of almost every phone (except cdma) Jun 25 05:43:05 who puts it is is irrelevant Jun 25 05:43:06 asj: FWIW, there is no compatible 3G service here Jun 25 05:43:21 luke-jr: where are you btw? Jun 25 05:43:23 Nebraska Jun 25 05:43:27 everything is CDMA Jun 25 05:43:42 except AT&T, and N900 doesn't support their frequencies Jun 25 05:43:54 if your minhdset is an american - i live incdma land one where sim cards are rare/not relevant Jun 25 05:44:04 then u are in the vast minority of people in the world Jun 25 05:44:09 sure Jun 25 05:44:22 world-wide sim cards are by far and wide *THE* primary way a phone device accesses a network Jun 25 05:44:27 my point is this: a phone would be useless without service Jun 25 05:44:29 luke-jr: umm, you know the n900 does gsm right? Jun 25 05:44:35 the shop may put it in when u buy the phone and get a contract there Jun 25 05:44:36 asj: sure Jun 25 05:44:46 u may buy a phone separatelyt and then just geta pre-paid sim card account Jun 25 05:44:51 and both tmo and att I'm sure have coverage at least along bits if i-80 Jun 25 05:44:52 or even a contract plan on one Jun 25 05:44:59 its largely irrelevant Jun 25 05:45:08 the n900 is a phone by all accepted properties of a phone Jun 25 05:45:09 asj: TMo claims to not have service here Jun 25 05:45:27 it is small/portable, lasts long enough to take around with you all day to make/get calls and sms's Jun 25 05:45:30 and it actually does that Jun 25 05:45:34 raster: a phone is useless without service; N900 isn't Jun 25 05:45:35 so it's a phone Jun 25 05:45:43 well anyhow, it's a hell of a device Jun 25 05:45:45 luke-jr: 100% incorrect Jun 25 05:45:58 you may think of a dumphone (featurephone) Jun 25 05:46:14 the ones that put up a nice "please inser sim card" and refuse to work without one Jun 25 05:46:27 if thats what you think - then you think in a very different decade Jun 25 05:46:31 like maybe 1990's Jun 25 05:46:32 :) Jun 25 05:46:39 is the g1 a phone? Jun 25 05:46:42 raster: so you think that by adding a GSM module, the N900 gets moved from the (superior) handheld computer category into the (inferior) phone category? Jun 25 05:47:00 inferior or superior is your own addition Jun 25 05:47:10 thats an evaluation i frankly do not share Jun 25 05:47:19 and i bet ylou many others wqill disagree with you too Jun 25 05:47:29 considering nokia sold <100k n800s I'm not sure which is superior eh? Jun 25 05:47:30 phones have been computers for a long time Jun 25 05:47:35 in terms of hardware Jun 25 05:47:41 only software was different Jun 25 05:48:02 asj: considering most n00bs who come in here seem to think N900 is a phone, you need to adjust your statistics Jun 25 05:48:08 they have cpu's, ram, disk (flash), modems, network (bt, wifi), screens, and many more peripherals Jun 25 05:48:10 they suspend and resume Jun 25 05:48:36 hey everyone Jun 25 05:48:43 raster: 'computer' usually means general purpose Jun 25 05:48:47 and they have a multitasking-capable os Jun 25 05:48:58 umm is there any chrome browser related channel on freenode? Jun 25 05:49:03 luke-jr: it's a phone just like symbian is a phone, iphone is a phone, and most android devices are Jun 25 05:49:21 Symbian, iPhone, and Android were designed to be phone platforms. Jun 25 05:49:23 Maemo was not. Jun 25 05:49:38 cellular capabilities were only just added in version 5 Jun 25 05:49:44 luke-jr: ah, but Fremantle was :) Jun 25 05:49:54 jeeze Jun 25 05:49:58 luke-jr: phones hw-wise are general purpose Jun 25 05:50:02 no more or less than the n900 Jun 25 05:50:04 see above Jun 25 05:50:10 raster: we're talking about software, not hardware Jun 25 05:50:10 difference is OS Jun 25 05:50:19 as of symbian they had a general purpose multi tasking os Jun 25 05:50:23 actually before that even Jun 25 05:50:25 tron Jun 25 05:50:27 symbian Jun 25 05:50:32 TRON is a movie Jun 25 05:50:44 winmo/pocketpc, android Jun 25 05:50:46 i can go on Jun 25 05:50:54 tron is also an os Jun 25 05:51:03 as is nucleus Jun 25 05:51:11 itron (derivative of tron) Jun 25 05:51:13 and many others Jun 25 05:51:48 tron this! Jun 25 05:51:50 Can I remove the apps that are in the menu that want to download themselves? Jun 25 05:51:51 luke-jr: to the original point then: name a mobile computing device no larger than the n900 that would be able to stream a live feed via flash of the World Cup over 3G Jun 25 05:52:13 PhonoN900: lol, he'll argue with that Jun 25 05:52:21 PhonoN900: nexus one Jun 25 05:52:26 htc incredible Jun 25 05:52:28 desire Jun 25 05:52:33 samsung galaxy s Jun 25 05:52:39 samsung 360 h1 and n1 Jun 25 05:52:41 PhonoN900: that wasn't the original point Jun 25 05:52:42 HTC Hero? Jun 25 05:52:46 ... Jun 25 05:52:47 N900 is unusually too small Jun 25 05:52:48 its a long list Jun 25 05:52:49 :) Jun 25 05:53:21 everyone knows flash is so 90's, man Jun 25 05:53:23 though I admit, it doesn't seem to be as bad as I had expected Jun 25 05:53:27 now that I've seen one Jun 25 05:53:38 raster: no android device that I'm aware of supports flash natively. am I wrong? Jun 25 05:53:56 PhonoN900: nothing supports flash natively; it's all software Jun 25 05:54:32 and again, crapy software that I'd rather not have Jun 25 05:54:36 My N900 supports flash out of the box. That is what I mean Jun 25 05:54:47 PhonoN900: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/flash-10-1-for-android-beta-unveiled-hulu-a-no-show-froyo-now/ Jun 25 05:54:52 Google "Android Flash"-- plenty of info Jun 25 05:54:54 no one said "out of the box" Jun 25 05:54:58 luke-jr: you have rm, go to town Jun 25 05:55:00 but currently not out of the box Jun 25 05:55:08 the 360 h1 and m1 will do it out of the box Jun 25 05:55:09 raster: I just did Jun 25 05:55:10 asj: :) Jun 25 05:55:11 they run linux Jun 25 05:55:16 well u asked Jun 25 05:55:25 luke-jr: to the original point then: name a mobile computing device no larger than the n900 that would be able to stream a live feed via flash of the World Cup over 3G Jun 25 05:55:28 PhonoN900: changing the criteria to make your point is a fallacy, I'm pretty sure Jun 25 05:55:29 nothing "out of the box" :) Jun 25 05:56:01 brb Jun 25 05:56:01 yeah, I think it's called "no true Scotsman" Jun 25 05:56:06 time to see if my network works Jun 25 05:56:08 or at least closely related Jun 25 05:56:39 luke-jr: I said name another phone that can do what my N900 did. That was the original point. Scroll up, take a look Jun 25 05:56:54 PhonoN900: and raster did it Jun 25 05:57:04 then you added a new qualifier "out of the box" Jun 25 05:57:22 raster named two that remained with the new requirements Jun 25 05:57:25 what next? :p Jun 25 05:57:28 what, the h1 and m1? never heard of them tbh Jun 25 05:57:41 have you? Jun 25 05:57:43 ah, so now we add "that I have heard of" Jun 25 05:58:03 give me a sec, I'll google them Jun 25 05:58:51 awesome stuff here http://www.google.com/search?btnG=Google+Search&q=android+h1 Jun 25 05:59:10 Just give it up. Jun 25 05:59:11 Christ. Jun 25 05:59:11 PhonoN900: keep in mind, luke-jr is in Nebraska, other than cow tipping, there's shit all to do out there... Jun 25 05:59:13 lol Jun 25 05:59:40 asj: I am learning tonal, and building a pendulum for my wall schedule... Jun 25 05:59:55 whilest teaching my children to do the same Jun 25 05:59:59 among many other subjects Jun 25 06:00:05 I have quite a bit to do :) Jun 25 06:00:10 aha Jun 25 06:00:13 thare be network Jun 25 06:00:19 nobody cares about live world cup stream anyway Jun 25 06:00:26 and streaming through flash sucks Jun 25 06:00:34 and it'll take all you battery life in no time Jun 25 06:00:36 Corsac: I made those points waaaaaaaaay back at the start :) Jun 25 06:00:38 the m1 seems badass too http://blog.immmooo.com/mmmooo-releases-m1.html Jun 25 06:01:16 now, if only the n900 could not choke when it's feeded with few gigs of photos and music, it'd be nice Jun 25 06:01:36 Corsac: Linux can't handle I/O :( Jun 25 06:01:38 mediaplayer seems to leak, it's a bad idea to have it running all day long in the background :/ Jun 25 06:01:45 luke-jr: it's not (only) a linux problem Jun 25 06:01:56 Corsac: Word. It does fall on it's face pretty often Jun 25 06:01:58 I don't remember having that problem when I used Window... Jun 25 06:02:10 of course, that was like 10 years ago Jun 25 06:02:29 luke-jr: I mean, there are ways to workaround that (fine tuning the kernel might help, if not done) Jun 25 06:02:40 luke-jr: /me boggles Jun 25 06:02:44 but anyway, the interface nor the media playing should choke on that Jun 25 06:02:46 Corsac: sure. I could get more RAM so I don't need swap. Jun 25 06:02:52 :) Jun 25 06:03:01 luke-jr: 640k ought to be enough and that sort of thing Jun 25 06:03:06 but DDR1 RAM is kinda expensive, so I'm holding off until my next PC Jun 25 06:03:21 luke-jr: in my case, my laptop's pretty ok wrt. IO Jun 25 06:03:24 PhonoN900: ok, the flashlite android app for symbian is the lamest thing I've ever seen Jun 25 06:03:35 Corsac: Bill Gates might be right if we take his advice and avoid KDE Jun 25 06:03:52 Corsac: I have 2 GB RAM. I use at least 2 GB swap on top of that regularly. Jun 25 06:04:01 asj: Just a quick google search, no worries Jun 25 06:04:06 luke-jr: my real grip is against the n900, which can't display my pictures correctly, can't display fluidly all the music I have, can't play it without jitter... Jun 25 06:04:14 luke-jr: I use Xfce Jun 25 06:04:28 Corsac: I might try Xfce, if it didn't use GTK Jun 25 06:04:47 yeah if you don't like GTK+ it might not be the one for you :) Jun 25 06:05:02 Corsac: I'm tempted to install Gentoo on my N900, but pondering getting it a MicroSD first, to put swap/build data on Jun 25 06:05:06 I don't like Qt, but I think there's a place for a Qt-equivalent of Xfce Jun 25 06:05:22 Nokia has been ruining Qt, but it's still better than GTK Jun 25 06:05:33 I won't let my systems install glib/GTK/GNOME anymore :) Jun 25 06:05:35 (though seeing the manpower missing for Xfce, I'm not sure there's enough for that kind of project) Jun 25 06:07:35 for all the N900's issues (and I admit, there are many), there are few "phones" that can do what the N900 can do. Jun 25 06:08:30 I mean, I'm on my N900 now. Using xchat. Seriously. Jun 25 06:08:40 PhonoN900: what special N900 can do? Jun 25 06:08:40 so? Jun 25 06:08:43 firc on a g1 Jun 25 06:08:43 X-Chat sucks too :p Jun 25 06:08:54 n900 can do a lot of thing, but it doesn't do it really well Jun 25 06:08:54 PLAY FLASH FFS Jun 25 06:09:01 Android has some awesome speech recognition IRC client Jun 25 06:09:02 jeeze Jun 25 06:09:09 flash is out for android Jun 25 06:09:18 why does this all have to be "out of the box" Jun 25 06:09:23 no Flash is better than Flash Jun 25 06:09:27 Corsac: It does most things prettyy well. Jun 25 06:09:29 if its available and can be trivially added/installed - it doesnt matter Jun 25 06:09:37 PhonoN900: I disagree Jun 25 06:09:50 no Flash > installable Flash > preinstalled Flash Jun 25 06:09:55 Corsac: Fair enough Jun 25 06:10:10 Guys... Jun 25 06:10:16 i don't care about flash Jun 25 06:10:24 the only thing the maemo has going for it that android doesnt is that it is a full linux os base Jun 25 06:10:31 I think my n900 is easier to developer for then any other phone Jun 25 06:10:32 raster: uh, no Jun 25 06:10:40 * PhonoN900 cares about flash content Jun 25 06:10:43 (it doesn't do *everything* bad, but still, in the end, I'm slightly disapointed about the result) Jun 25 06:10:43 Maemo has X11 and Qt, and Android does not Jun 25 06:10:47 raster: plus it's Not Evil (tm) Jun 25 06:10:47 other than that, they are the same Jun 25 06:10:50 with proper glibc, userspace, x11, etc. and that makes it easy - if u already develop for or use linux heavily, to use it, develop for it and adapt it Jun 25 06:10:58 unlike android which is an entirely different/foreign os Jun 25 06:11:08 luke-jr: and security model :) Jun 25 06:11:14 Qt is good... it still needs some more work but for right now.. it works perfectly fine Jun 25 06:11:18 raster: Maemo doesn't use standard GNU userspace, and won't work with standard Linux Jun 25 06:11:31 Corsac: uh, no? Jun 25 06:11:33 igh writing in java... makes me feel sick Jun 25 06:11:35 Corsac: Maemo is a single-user OS Jun 25 06:11:36 luke-jr: says who? Jun 25 06:11:39 it works for me Jun 25 06:11:45 instantly Jun 25 06:11:49 raster: you've tried booting a standard Linux kernel? Jun 25 06:11:50 all the tools i am used to are there Jun 25 06:11:52 luke-jr: yes, so? Jun 25 06:11:55 luke-jr, well the kernel doe srun in multi-user mode Jun 25 06:11:58 raster: BusyBox is not GNU Jun 25 06:12:06 raster: try tar xjvpf Jun 25 06:12:08 busybox is good enough Jun 25 06:12:10 luke-jr: android has a rather complex security model, while maemo5 has basically none :) Jun 25 06:12:14 ho pedanticisms Jun 25 06:12:15 dotblank: irrelevant Jun 25 06:12:20 You know what else my "phone" handles perfectly? aXXo movies. Drag and drop. Jun 25 06:12:29 luke-jr, Just install Easy Debian, and you get full gnu utilities. Jun 25 06:12:29 luke-jr: it's quite easy for any app to access everything on the device Jun 25 06:12:31 i've been doing linux on arm devices for about a decade Jun 25 06:12:33 raster: where have you been the last hour??? this is all about being pedantic Jun 25 06:12:34 PhonoN900: sounds illegal Jun 25 06:12:35 or for anyone else, for that matter Jun 25 06:12:38 busybox is par of the course Jun 25 06:12:56 it is a userspace "fileutils" that is good enough Jun 25 06:13:01 raster: he'll also argue it's not Linux because you can't boot an x86 kernel.org kernel on it Jun 25 06:13:02 luke-jr, axxo is just his brother and he puts his homemade movies on his phone via drag and drop Jun 25 06:13:10 asj: time to give up Jun 25 06:13:16 i have better things to do Jun 25 06:13:22 asj: kernel.org doesn't build binaries Jun 25 06:13:23 asj: lol Jun 25 06:13:30 I've had a few phones, and nothing handles divx better than my N900 ('cept my laptop) Jun 25 06:13:50 raster: and now he's going to argue with me about that ;) told you Nebraska makes ya strange Jun 25 06:13:53 maemo is a proper linux userspace by all accepted definitions i have ever seen when it comes to running on arm devices like this Jun 25 06:14:03 I ahve to say my old Palm OS actually handled movies really really well Jun 25 06:14:06 raster: even if you ported N900 hardware support to Linux, Maemo wouldn't boot with it Jun 25 06:14:09 i've been doing it for long enough i think to realise that Jun 25 06:14:19 but if others want to be pedantic... let them Jun 25 06:14:23 raster: proper, yes. full, no. Jun 25 06:14:26 ah well it's quiting time :) Jun 25 06:14:26 PhonoN900: it wiil be better for N900 to play music without jerking Jun 25 06:14:30 Again, name a "phone" that can run divx out of the box. Jun 25 06:14:40 PhonoN900: the fact that N900 can just proves it isn't a phone Jun 25 06:14:45 damn... music skipping drives me mad Jun 25 06:14:50 Or, name a phone that can run VLC Jun 25 06:14:58 luke-jr: you really need to learn something of these devices, hardware etc. etc. Jun 25 06:14:58 rmrfchik_: the choice of pa probably screwed em there Jun 25 06:14:59 rmrfchik_, Have you tried a different player Jun 25 06:15:07 each soc is basically a new hardware platform Jun 25 06:15:11 eg like a whole new pc arch Jun 25 06:15:23 yes - a standard from kernel-org kernel wont work Jun 25 06:15:27 raster: seeing as I'm pretty involved in porting Linux to N8x0, that comment seems misdirected :) Jun 25 06:15:32 partly due to russel king simply getting in the way Jun 25 06:15:42 partly due to companies not having traditionally wanted to upstream Jun 25 06:15:51 raster: I'm not talking about hardware support issues here Jun 25 06:15:52 dotblank: yes. it's not handy. "headset daemon" pauses only built-in player, and I use this feature Jun 25 06:15:59 then why "boot a kernel" ? Jun 25 06:16:00 raster: I'm talking about Maemo depending on non-standard features Jun 25 06:16:09 like /proc/bootreason Jun 25 06:16:14 thats in the name of producing a product that works Jun 25 06:16:23 u cant rely on standard features for everything Jun 25 06:16:24 bad excuse Jun 25 06:16:34 there is not always a "standard" for what u want Jun 25 06:16:39 and u have a product to get out Jun 25 06:16:40 then make it optional Jun 25 06:16:43 so u deal with it Jun 25 06:17:05 luke-jr: I'm talking with you over 3G. That means it has phone capabilities, at the least Jun 25 06:17:07 if /proc/bootreason is missing, ignore it in some sane way and move on Jun 25 06:17:18 more often than not its simply a product requirement and the developer assigned to do it didnt know there was such a standard or feature Jun 25 06:17:20 PhonoN900: phone capabilities doesn't make it a phone Jun 25 06:17:22 and impelemented it another way Jun 25 06:17:35 That it can exploit those to deliver voice makes it a "phone" Jun 25 06:17:45 raster: and this is why companies are a bad environment for development Jun 25 06:17:49 PhonoN900: don't worry. you're right :) Jun 25 06:18:08 raster: I know :) Jun 25 06:18:12 yawn Jun 25 06:18:33 luke-jr: i'm afraid i disagree Jun 25 06:18:42 as companies provide a very importan tthing... MONEY Jun 25 06:18:44 I like being able to scp music to my phone Jun 25 06:18:48 withotu that very little gets done Jun 25 06:18:50 I think thats cool Jun 25 06:19:02 it's been fun though, glad I spoke up :) Jun 25 06:19:44 too bad you can't buy a N900 w/o buying Maemo ;) Jun 25 06:19:51 That World Cup shit was epic. It made me happy. Jun 25 06:20:13 one of those four letter words belongs. the other doesn't. Jun 25 06:20:15 :P Jun 25 06:20:20 luke-jr: You can dualboot android 2.1 Jun 25 06:20:31 PhonoN900: I can probably dualboot Gentoo too Jun 25 06:20:33 and probably will Jun 25 06:20:46 and install KDE Jun 25 06:20:48 well there you go. Jun 25 06:20:49 http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/ Jun 25 06:21:12 so meego handset I think is approaching very soon Jun 25 06:21:23 really, thanks Jun 25 06:21:29 What's with all the hate then? Sincerely? Jun 25 06:21:54 it's very simple Jun 25 06:22:00 @luke-jr Jun 25 06:22:11 umhum??? Jun 25 06:22:36 http://xkcd.com/386/ Jun 25 06:23:31 when does whining become whinging? Jun 25 06:24:14 I don't know how to click/select the url. Let's hear a synopsis, please, luke-jr. Jun 25 06:24:25 ... Jun 25 06:24:37 xchat can't click on an url? Jun 25 06:24:53 honestly, I'd click on it if I could Jun 25 06:24:55 "Are you coming to bed?" "I can't. This is important." "What?" "Someone is *wrong* on the internet." Jun 25 06:25:10 classic :) Jun 25 06:25:39 op, got it. please hold Jun 25 06:26:18 luke-jr: fine synopsis Jun 25 06:26:43 clicking on shit does work. my fault Jun 25 06:28:52 luke-jr: Do you have an N900? Jun 25 06:29:07 just for the sake of conversation Jun 25 06:29:19 yes Jun 25 06:29:22 * PhonoN900 is having a fine time Jun 25 06:29:34 do you like it? Jun 25 06:29:54 dunno yet Jun 25 06:30:20 still forming an opinion Jun 25 06:30:26 did you just get it? Jun 25 06:30:30 * magic_silver_box is *wrong* on the internet. Jun 25 06:30:34 Monday or Tuesday Jun 25 06:30:45 right on Jun 25 06:31:12 The browser is pretty ill Jun 25 06:31:20 kinda wish I knew who sent it so I can clarify what I'm expected to do in exchange <.< Jun 25 06:32:45 * magic_silver_box slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout Jun 25 06:32:56 guess I can reply to the email asking for my address... Jun 25 06:32:59 I have issues with stuttering Panuchi playback. Also sometimes it lags to such an extent that I have to set it down, for fear of throwing it through a floor Jun 25 06:34:58 but for the most part (aside from placing a quick call to the wife) I like it. Nice, high resolution display... great codec support. .. awesome browser... decent battery life... Jun 25 06:35:28 and oc'd to 850, it just hums Jun 25 06:35:49 fail Jun 25 06:36:13 can definitely feel the lack of physical memory Jun 25 06:36:22 fail what? Jun 25 06:36:24 PhonoN900: how's your battery life? :) Jun 25 06:37:13 raster: It's pretty good. Not as good as my E71, better than my N95 Jun 25 06:37:21 PhonoN900: overclocking = void warranty + device dies sooner Jun 25 06:37:54 luke-jr: don't be a girl about it Jun 25 06:38:09 it works fine Jun 25 06:38:32 PhonoN900: ever @ 850mhz? Jun 25 06:38:47 PhonoN900: of course it works fine Jun 25 06:38:49 why wouldn't it? Jun 25 06:39:02 that's what it's at right now Jun 25 06:39:03 PhonoN900: don't worry about the oc - sure. it'll die sooner. lasts 4 years instead of 15 :) Jun 25 06:39:16 overclocking doesn't damage immediate usability (unless you go to extremes), it damages longevity and battery use Jun 25 06:39:21 (numbers pulled out of arse - but u get the drift) Jun 25 06:39:28 or 1 instead of 4 Jun 25 06:39:46 omaps are built to run much more than 4 :) Jun 25 06:40:17 raster: if you meant how's the batt life @850, that's what I was referencng above. better than some, worse than others Jun 25 06:40:31 yeah Jun 25 06:40:33 that was my ref Jun 25 06:40:35 fair enough Jun 25 06:40:47 raster: exactly Jun 25 06:40:47 the n900 isnt the beefiest one Jun 25 06:41:03 I was surprised by the thickness Jun 25 06:41:10 N900 is at least 2x as thick as N810 was Jun 25 06:41:15 tho i am used to other soc's daily clocking in at 800->1000+ as the nominal normal rate Jun 25 06:41:17 not oc Jun 25 06:41:25 man, the scroll bar in xchat is a bitch Jun 25 06:41:27 n900 is indeed a very fat device Jun 25 06:41:38 embarrassing almost Jun 25 06:41:39 :) Jun 25 06:41:39 meh, not fat Jun 25 06:41:48 it'd fat. Jun 25 06:41:50 it could be thicker without being inconvenient Jun 25 06:41:50 it's Jun 25 06:41:51 indeed, it's a chubby fucker Jun 25 06:42:12 but i have desks full of devices much slimmer, faster and slicker. Jun 25 06:42:14 it's still thinner than my C760 Jun 25 06:42:16 but i'm spoilt. Jun 25 06:42:33 so take that with a grain of salt Jun 25 06:42:45 i like my bitc er phones with a bit of meat on their bones Jun 25 06:43:03 hahahaha Jun 25 06:43:08 i never get really god battery life on the n900 and i rarely even have any app open and i only connect to gprs when i need it which is not even 1h a day Jun 25 06:43:09 I like my C760's form factor Jun 25 06:43:15 i like mine sleek and glowing Jun 25 06:43:15 :) Jun 25 06:44:14 jd: I keep my backlight @ 3. Seems to help Jun 25 06:44:20 mine is at 2 Jun 25 06:44:30 and i don't have any widgets or anything draining battery Jun 25 06:44:37 jd: well then... Jun 25 06:44:38 but i can't seem to make it to barely 8h of battery life Jun 25 06:44:40 jd: mine took 6 hours to drop below 100% Jun 25 06:44:44 how? Jun 25 06:44:48 shrug Jun 25 06:45:03 i noticed a bit of a battery improvement in PR1.2 Jun 25 06:45:29 jd: I don't make 8 either, probably... I've always got mine plugged into the computer @ work Jun 25 06:45:53 other than the battery the n900 is the best device ever Jun 25 06:45:58 jd: maybe because I have no SIM Jun 25 06:46:17 <`0660> mine usually lasts all day even with 3g, skype and fb-chat Jun 25 06:46:48 honestly though, if I leave it alone in my pocket, or just sitting around @ my house, it'll last forever. Jun 25 06:47:12 but if I use it, no more than 8 hours off charger Jun 25 06:47:50 hell, it's plugged into the wall right now Jun 25 06:51:59 luke-jr: if you've only just gotten the "phone", for your own sanity, try not to be SO negative. there's no fun in dissing something you spent a mint on Jun 25 06:52:31 cheers though, catch y'all next time Jun 25 06:55:04 hi PhonoN900 Jun 25 06:55:30 meh, fuck :) not like I have anything better to do Jun 25 06:55:53 PhonoN900, want to test my app? Jun 25 06:56:38 dotblank: maybe... what does it do? Jun 25 06:56:39 irc is a good way to waste time Jun 25 06:56:50 jd: word Jun 25 06:56:57 PhonoN900, groove shark client.. I added playlist support but its acting funky Jun 25 06:57:12 i always get on xchat from work from my n900 :P Jun 25 06:57:46 it's been a while since I screwed around in IRC. it destroys my battery, unfortunately Jun 25 06:58:39 dotblank: sure, let's do this Jun 25 06:58:44 * PhonoN900 pumps fist Jun 25 06:59:09 PhonoN900, do you ahve a sdk or a scratchbox environment? if you don't I can just send you build binaries Jun 25 06:59:17 built* Jun 25 06:59:48 i've only got my phone... Jun 25 07:00:05 oh thats right.. can you click links in your xchat on your phone Jun 25 07:00:06 dotblank: how's the client coming on? Jun 25 07:00:20 i'll install whatever you're serving though Jun 25 07:00:28 Stskeeps, my playlist is buggy and can't fiqure out why adding songs isn't working Jun 25 07:00:31 yes, I can click links Jun 25 07:00:45 Stskeeps, it plays songs once but... Jun 25 07:03:05 Good morning! Jun 25 07:03:08 PhonoN900, one sec as I have to upload the libs and bins to my server Jun 25 07:03:48 dotblank: no worries, let me know when you're ready Jun 25 07:04:16 Venemo: good morning Jun 25 07:04:32 <_0x47> amigadave: you are here! :) Jun 25 07:04:59 _0x47: morning Jun 25 07:05:06 <_0x47> morning! Jun 25 07:05:32 HI! Jun 25 07:05:34 PhonoN900, http://dotblank.selfip.com/libqjson.so.0.7.1 Jun 25 07:05:57 thats the library.. download that then open the terminal and copy it to /usr/lib Jun 25 07:05:59 Is there a guide to confirgurare filezilla to connect to openssh? Jun 25 07:06:52 <_0x47> amigadave: I set up the new target and everything. Now I'm about to build, but have one unresolved dependency. After installing all the packages from the maemo repos, "cdbs" is 0.4.48, but I need 0.4.49. I have the Ubuntu .deb here, that works fine. Is it safe to install? I mean the error did not seem to lead from there right? Jun 25 07:07:40 _0x47: you could check why you need the newer version, you may be able to drop the dependency Jun 25 07:07:45 hey folks, is there anyone here who can help me with a weird issue with the auto builder? Jun 25 07:07:49 but you can try using the Ubuntu package Jun 25 07:08:02 <_0x47> amigadave: how to check this? Or just lower it and hope it works? Jun 25 07:08:30 _0x47: that would be my first attempt, yes ;) Jun 25 07:08:39 <_0x47> amigadave: ok, let me try that Jun 25 07:08:49 or you could check the changelog of the package and of cdbs to see what changes might be relevant Jun 25 07:09:13 PhonoN900, you'll need to be root to copy it Jun 25 07:10:14 dotblank: out of my depth, sorry... i'm in the directory where I saved it. what is the command i need to cp from/MyDocs/DOWNLOADS to /usr/lib ? Jun 25 07:10:54 i am Jun 25 07:11:14 PhonoN900, should be cp /home/user/MyDocs/DOWNLOADS/libqjson.so.0.7.1 /usr/lib Jun 25 07:13:22 morning Jun 25 07:15:20 PhonoN900, once the file is copied run this command ln /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0.7.1 /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0 Jun 25 07:15:29 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-June/026939.html Jun 25 07:17:20 dotblank: it says file exists... Jun 25 07:17:43 PhonoN900, for which monnad the cp or the ln? Jun 25 07:17:45 feel like i'm doing it wrong Jun 25 07:17:52 command* Jun 25 07:18:12 ln Jun 25 07:18:46 Nokia-N900-42-11:/usr/lib# ln /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0.7.1 /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0ln: /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0: File exists Jun 25 07:19:28 PhonoN900, can you run ls /usr/lib/libqjson* Jun 25 07:20:16 Nokia-N900-42-11:/usr/lib# ls /usr/lib/libqjson* Jun 25 07:20:22 tried my n900 with a ford navigation system -> no go, sometimes i have a connection, sometimes not. phonebook does not show up Jun 25 07:20:46 hold on, not right Jun 25 07:21:41 /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0 /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0.7.1 Jun 25 07:21:55 PhonoN900, odd I have no idea how that got there... Jun 25 07:22:04 anyway... lets continue Jun 25 07:22:15 classic :) Jun 25 07:22:23 PhonoN900, http://dotblank.selfip.com/groove Jun 25 07:22:25 i'm just not savy Jun 25 07:22:29 just download that wherever Jun 25 07:23:26 then chmod +x groove Jun 25 07:23:27 3.6 mb saved to DOWNLOADS Jun 25 07:23:33 in the downloads folder Jun 25 07:24:42 err rather chmod+x ./groove Jun 25 07:24:59 chmod +x ./groove Jun 25 07:25:29 once thats done try running it Jun 25 07:25:32 ./groove Jun 25 07:28:15 i'm doing it wrong. i'm not a good tester. my apologies Jun 25 07:29:18 PhonoN900, does it error or say it can't find libqjson? Jun 25 07:33:25 dotblank: neither... as sudo, I'm in DOWNLOADS, run chmod +x ./groove Jun 25 07:33:37 and it doesn't do anything Jun 25 07:33:48 PhonoN900, thats ok Jun 25 07:33:56 PhonoN900, can you run ./groove/ Jun 25 07:34:01 ./groove Jun 25 07:34:21 <_0x47> amigadave: sry had to take a crap. The build has the same error regarding "Mix_Chunk" (was previous declared). So I'd like to check your idea regarding the SDL_Mixer version. How to do that? BTW: I decreased the dep. version of cdbs, so far no complaining... Jun 25 07:35:11 permission denied Jun 25 07:35:31 PhonoN900, ok try chmod +x ./groove Jun 25 07:35:36 without sudo Jun 25 07:36:43 then run ./groove Jun 25 07:37:23 _0x47: you could first try removing the forward declaration and just including the SDL_Mixer header instead, might be quicker Jun 25 07:37:31 well i'm at the folder with sudo gainroot... Jun 25 07:37:55 PhonoN900, oh ok.. try chown user ./groove Jun 25 07:38:42 <_0x47> i think that's what I tried before, it will fail at another point then. but let me do it to insure Jun 25 07:38:48 then chmod 777 ./groove Jun 25 07:38:53 <_0x47> @ amigadave Jun 25 07:39:31 _0x47: ok, if you want to check the SDL_Mixer version then you can do a dpkg-query --show libsdl-mixer1.2 Jun 25 07:39:39 although the package name may be different on Ubuntu Jun 25 07:39:47 dotblank: sorry for being such a douche, like i said, out of my depth... don't put youself out trying to talk me through it. i'm a willing paticipant, just not a capable one Jun 25 07:40:05 PhonoN900, no no its fine Jun 25 07:40:06 <_0x47> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL2: ~/MyDocs/vcmi_armel/vcmi-0.81-svn1610] > dpkg-query --show libsdl-mixer1.2 Jun 25 07:40:06 <_0x47> libsdl-mixer1.2 1:1.2.6-5+0m5 Jun 25 07:43:06 sorry man, didn't mean to waste your time with my ineptness Jun 25 07:43:31 PhonoN900, nah its ok. its really my fault for not providing a package so uyou can't apt-get install it Jun 25 07:44:44 ~botsnack Jun 25 07:44:44 vldcnst: :) Jun 25 07:47:48 meh! fail whale. cheers dotblank, sorry i couldn't be of assistance Jun 25 07:50:00 it's 3 here, gotta wind down. g'night all Jun 25 07:52:58 how do I access the rootfs pluged into usb? Jun 25 08:00:06 n900 is very better phone :) . Ihave setting filezilla to transfer file on n900 good very good Jun 25 08:00:41 happy to buy this phone :) Jun 25 08:14:40 moaning has bro'ken *sing* Jun 25 08:15:17 ham5: you don't but by setting up usb networking and ssh'ing to the device Jun 25 08:17:06 has anyone got samba working on maemo5? Jun 25 08:17:21 I notice there is samba-common for maemo2 Jun 25 08:17:43 might have to be my first compile :/ Jun 25 08:18:10 mirf: There is som wizard-mounter-stuff - Might be in therer Jun 25 08:18:30 mirf: as there are other ways... Jun 25 08:18:36 Morning, all Jun 25 08:18:55 other ways like winscp, ftp etc? Jun 25 08:19:19 Duckboot: I think he is looking for providing share not mount shares Jun 25 08:19:34 yeah that's right chem|st Jun 25 08:19:45 mirf: Samba is in there Jun 25 08:19:57 samba - SMB/CIFS file, print, and login server for Unix Jun 25 08:20:22 samba-common - common files used by both the Samba server and client Jun 25 08:20:25 mirf: you might be able to "mount" / somehow to your windows, never done that but as you can run a linux atop a windows I am pretty sure someone did it already Jun 25 08:21:42 bit of a dirty habit of mine is putting samba shares on my linux boxes Jun 25 08:22:15 mirf: you mount samba shares between linux boxes? Jun 25 08:22:23 nope Jun 25 08:22:46 you like to provide shares then? Jun 25 08:22:52 yes Jun 25 08:22:56 no matter if needed or not Jun 25 08:23:12 Duckboot: I see samba-common is there but it's not valid for install Jun 25 08:23:29 depends how you define 'needed' Jun 25 08:24:21 samba shares are great to have on predominately windows networks Jun 25 08:24:46 needed in "my girlfriend got windows and will never make it to mount a non windows-share to her laptop, even windows-share needs me to write a bashscript she can click on" Jun 25 08:25:21 even on Linux networks, cifs/samba shares are good Jun 25 08:25:28 I'm not sure I prefer nfs over cifs Jun 25 08:26:00 mirf: a server in between who checks for bugs/horses/viruses is what we do here Jun 25 08:26:10 <_0x47> amigadave: dunno if that makes sense, but I added the SDL_mixer.h and removed the declaration in CMusicHandler.h. Now it complains that it wouldn't be declared later. WTF? Jun 25 08:26:45 mirf: most of the machines don't have a direct share open and our network is able to separate infected machines Jun 25 08:26:50 _0x47: i would file a bug Jun 25 08:26:51 Anyone using a 3G usb internet for a Mac ever? Sorry for offtopic Jun 25 08:27:33 DrGrov: which type? and yes there is Jun 25 08:27:36 DocScrutinizer51: hello, you there? i got a memo from you about the chargers. perhaps yes i could send them for you Jun 25 08:27:52 chem|st: it is a Huawei E169 and DNA is the finnish operator I use Jun 25 08:28:59 <_0x47> amigadave: I swear it compiles on my ubuntu machine... Jun 25 08:29:10 there is a bug with E169 and you might fix it with a patch Jun 25 08:29:26 DNA should be irreleveant Jun 25 08:29:44 _0x47: well, that's a good point of reference that you can use in the bug report Jun 25 08:30:45 that setup sounds interesting chem|st, is it active directory network? Jun 25 08:32:00 yeah its a windows server, all that security measure drains speed from 1Gb/s to some like 8-700Mb/s but ok Jun 25 08:32:41 <_0x47> amigadave: where to report it? maemo or the software's maintainer? I don't get who's fault this would be if it doesn't compile in the SDK. I assume it's the SDK's fault... Jun 25 08:32:42 sounds super secure Jun 25 08:32:50 unfortuantely we have nothing like that at work Jun 25 08:33:13 anyway I better crack on and get this samba working ;P Jun 25 08:33:32 the "doh" on it is that till we setup access to some machines directly you had to sit infront of the machine you needed files from to get them into your folder on the server *pain-in-the-A* Jun 25 08:33:53 ah yeah that sounds a bit poop Jun 25 08:33:56 but still Jun 25 08:34:02 nice and locked down Jun 25 08:34:10 _0x47: i would report it upstream, as they know the code that does not compile Jun 25 08:34:10 mirf: it's windows.... secure windows is an oximoron Jun 25 08:34:43 if the server gets a cold all machines are infected anyway Jun 25 08:34:44 <_0x47> amigadave: Thanks, that's what I will do. If you like I'll let you know the result. Jun 25 08:34:54 _0x47: sure! Jun 25 08:35:57 DrGrov: http://www.sumardi.net/2009/01/16/how-to-setup-huawei-usb-e169-modem-on-mac-os-x/ Jun 25 08:36:02 what about this? Jun 25 08:36:17 chem|st: thank you, i already found it. it was just a double-click away to get it working :) Jun 25 08:36:26 ah ok Jun 25 08:36:50 well bit of a fail! to need the 220 drivers to have a 169 working... Jun 25 08:38:12 chem|st: it seems like that i presume. i do not have the macbook around me to test now. just at the summer place i have a possibility to test it out in practice. perhaps it will work without any problems but i am not 100% sure that it will work just like that. perhaps i need of course to do some manual settings in order for the 3g usb to find it. Jun 25 08:39:14 GLHF Jun 25 08:39:37 GLHF? Jun 25 08:39:42 good luck / have fnu Jun 25 08:39:49 thanks :) Jun 25 08:39:58 i am a bit too old for this fancy shit talk ;) Jun 25 08:39:59 lol Jun 25 08:40:49 well, gotta run. Jun 25 08:40:52 thanks for the help Jun 25 08:41:03 happy midsummer to you who celebrate it Jun 25 08:41:07 take care guys and gals Jun 25 08:56:39 hmmm Jun 25 08:57:11 the latest update installed support for portrait browsing... how does one activate that? Jun 25 08:58:20 same as in the iphone Jun 25 08:58:52 besides, use opera Jun 25 08:58:53 mirf, from the browser options Jun 25 08:59:11 it's a lot better Jun 25 08:59:28 Opera has no flash ): Jun 25 08:59:34 opera is worst browser ever.. at least on n900 Jun 25 09:00:16 eitama: who needs flash Jun 25 09:00:17 portrait mode keyboard is the only thing i remotely like in it Jun 25 09:00:24 I Do (: Jun 25 09:00:51 It's not fun to reach a site and face the fact that you need to copy the URL and move to microB just for that page Jun 25 09:01:08 so does portrait work in microb? Jun 25 09:01:13 well, i don't use flash at all Jun 25 09:01:14 It does Jun 25 09:01:17 good :) Jun 25 09:01:25 thing is that it's too unsecure Jun 25 09:01:36 there are 3 known exploits for it Jun 25 09:01:39 one which is widely used Jun 25 09:01:49 Best TMO post ever: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=728087&postcount=220 Jun 25 09:01:53 mirf: exit fullsceen mode, press on the title at top, and enable it in the options Jun 25 09:01:55 and it's matter of time before somebody modifies it to use arm shellcode Jun 25 09:02:03 cool thanks eitama Jun 25 09:02:18 Surfa: Opera is excellent. It's 10 times faster than microb Jun 25 09:03:05 I'll give opera another try though. Jun 25 09:03:07 crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/thankedposts.php?since=999 begs to differ ;p but quite good post Jun 25 09:04:27 wow gooo woody Jun 25 09:04:34 * Trizt thinks microb is the best of the browsers, but it could been nice if had been a bit fstare Jun 25 09:04:56 microb is mozilla right, it was always gonn abe slow Jun 25 09:05:05 but it has other benefits Jun 25 09:05:24 A French convict who killed his cellmate and ate his lung was sentenced to 30 years in prison on Thursday. Jun 25 09:05:28 it's not as lowe as the other one Fennic or what is called Jun 25 09:05:40 lowe? Jun 25 09:05:49 BTW guys - offtopic question, what IRC client you using on the PC? Jun 25 09:05:55 crashanddie; so he will have his snack bar for another 30 years Jun 25 09:06:15 eitama: the best client ever writen ksirc ;) Jun 25 09:06:25 slow Jun 25 09:06:32 eitama: xchat Jun 25 09:06:34 Nokia Oyj will use Linux MeeGo software in its N-series lineup, hoping the new platform will give it a better chance to battle against rivals such as Apple Inc and Google Inc. Jun 25 09:06:49 eitama: macirssi Jun 25 09:06:59 http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N20Y20100624 Jun 25 09:07:05 eitama; XChat or iirc Jun 25 09:07:13 eitama: irssi! Jun 25 09:07:29 IRSSI? Jun 25 09:07:35 is that another acronym? Jun 25 09:07:44 or name of an app? Jun 25 09:07:45 lol Jun 25 09:07:49 it's the app :P Jun 25 09:07:50 if you expert irssi, else xchat Jun 25 09:08:09 irssi in a screen on a shell tunnelled through ssh Jun 25 09:08:12 its' the only way ;) Jun 25 09:08:15 i tried using xchat, it seems nice - but for some reason, when I try to connect to 4 channels it just ignored my /join commands Jun 25 09:08:18 eitama; http://irssi.org/ Jun 25 09:08:34 I'll take a look Jun 25 09:08:40 thanks for the suggestions guys Jun 25 09:08:42 MIRC is crap Jun 25 09:08:47 xchat gave me a hard time Jun 25 09:08:50 now using IceChat Jun 25 09:08:59 eitama; I'm connected to two networks and 10 channels, no problems Jun 25 09:08:59 and it's notification handeling is lame Jun 25 09:09:00 irssi FTW Jun 25 09:09:07 eitama: "irssi"... Works within "screen" and has proxy Jun 25 09:09:10 Yeah I am now too Jun 25 09:09:16 I'll go look now Jun 25 09:09:18 at irssi Jun 25 09:09:20 eitama: under windows try pidgin as well Jun 25 09:09:43 or go to dirstrowatch.com and download a new os Jun 25 09:09:44 i use irssi + screen + ssh + jabber_notify + jabber Jun 25 09:09:56 is there game zuma to maemo? Jun 25 09:09:56 lol Jun 25 09:10:07 lol trizt Jun 25 09:10:18 I tried insalling ubuntu 10.04 like 6 times Jun 25 09:10:25 always failed. Jun 25 09:10:31 even live cd didn't work Jun 25 09:10:35 Gave up Jun 25 09:10:46 Burned CDs at 2x, changed CDs Checked MD5s Jun 25 09:10:51 Posted on ubuntu forums Jun 25 09:10:51 eitama; if you failed then it means you didn't install that ms thing yourself, you got it when you bought the hardware Jun 25 09:10:53 nothing worked Jun 25 09:11:04 enter isn't a form of punctuation Jun 25 09:11:09 that's the great thing about irssi and screen, you can connect to it from pretty much anywhere and still pick up your chat where you left off Jun 25 09:11:28 who cares, really? Jun 25 09:11:48 Trizt: I installed xp, windows vista, windows 7, openSuse, ubuntu 8.04 and debian on this laptop Jun 25 09:11:58 only geeks and nerds care about replicating all the logs from a single channel, and be permanently connected Jun 25 09:11:59 Trizt: The only OS I really want, and can't install, is ubuntu 10.04 Jun 25 09:12:06 Trizt: Believe me, I tried everything. Jun 25 09:12:28 eitama; go for Gentoo instead, better Jun 25 09:12:29 if you're not there, just disconnect, nobody gives a flying fuck whether you're online or not Jun 25 09:12:34 crashanddie: guilty as charged! Jun 25 09:12:39 I like the Compiz thingy on ubuntu Jun 25 09:12:56 I give a flying a fuck whether I'm online or not.. jeeeeez Jun 25 09:12:57 The visuals are great, the OS is fun, I like debian, it fits me like a glove. Jun 25 09:12:59 eitama; you can get it on any Linux dist Jun 25 09:13:00 :D Jun 25 09:13:08 Gentoo Jun 25 09:13:15 What package manager does that use? Jun 25 09:13:20 pacman Jun 25 09:13:26 eitama; portage Jun 25 09:13:31 Yays Jun 25 09:13:34 Yayks* Jun 25 09:13:38 Never heard of that one Jun 25 09:13:44 I'm so inlove with apt-get Jun 25 09:13:52 It beats windows expirience anytime. Jun 25 09:15:10 Ummm about Irssi, on windows, what exactly does the UI look like? is it terminal style? or what? Jun 25 09:15:19 can I hit links and they open? Jun 25 09:15:23 are there tabs? Jun 25 09:15:25 you can't run it directly on windows Jun 25 09:15:29 you can Jun 25 09:15:33 there is windows irssi Jun 25 09:15:37 I see on the site there is a windows installer Jun 25 09:15:45 ooh Jun 25 09:16:08 cool :) Jun 25 09:16:21 BTW, any of you tried my app? horizontal-call? i'm looking for feedback. Jun 25 09:16:39 there are tabbed windows in a way Jun 25 09:17:04 eitama: got a link? Jun 25 09:17:16 ~wifi-psm Jun 25 09:17:20 well, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Jun 25 09:17:22 eitama: http://irssi.org/themefiles/insane.png Jun 25 09:17:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56533 Jun 25 09:17:50 It's in devel Jun 25 09:18:24 Trizt: Thats not for me. Jun 25 09:18:30 Trizt: I want the "windows" expirience Jun 25 09:18:41 (: Jun 25 09:18:46 eitama: then use x-chat Jun 25 09:18:57 I tried it Jun 25 09:19:03 For some reason Jun 25 09:19:08 it won't connect to more then 2 chat rooms Jun 25 09:19:09 at once Jun 25 09:19:14 try another version or a proper os Jun 25 09:19:23 when with mirc and iceChat i am connected to 5 channels Jun 25 09:19:29 Windows 7 is a proper os lol Jun 25 09:19:34 thanks eitama Jun 25 09:19:34 )" Jun 25 09:19:35 (: Jun 25 09:19:39 Np Jun 25 09:19:45 eitama: it will Jun 25 09:19:52 I use X-Chat and I'm cyrrently on 10 channels where one is another irc-net Jun 25 09:19:53 eitama: you just don't know how to do it Jun 25 09:20:04 chem|st: ping Jun 25 09:20:11 eitama: it's /connect not /server Jun 25 09:20:21 I believe you 100% Trizt Jun 25 09:20:40 jacekowski: sorry I missed the context of what you are saying Jun 25 09:20:46 "/connect' Jun 25 09:20:48 another good irc client is AmIrc Jun 25 09:20:48 for what? Jun 25 09:20:55 eitama: to connect to another irc server Jun 25 09:21:04 on windows I used to like hydrairc Jun 25 09:21:09 but it was a bit buggy Jun 25 09:21:29 I don't need a few servers Jun 25 09:21:32 just freenode Jun 25 09:21:37 I was able to connect to freenode Jun 25 09:21:40 and join 2 channels Jun 25 09:21:42 from the moment Jun 25 09:21:49 when I typed /join #name Jun 25 09:21:51 nothing happened Jun 25 09:22:01 maybe channel doesn't exist Jun 25 09:22:05 wether i typed it in the console channel or one of the previous channels Jun 25 09:22:07 they exist Jun 25 09:22:08 or you are banned Jun 25 09:22:08 (: Jun 25 09:22:13 No way Jun 25 09:22:20 I barly use IRC to get banned Jun 25 09:22:21 (: Jun 25 09:22:22 eitama: because you are already on that channel Jun 25 09:22:23 and Jun 25 09:22:28 eitama: so you have to switch to that window Jun 25 09:22:32 eitama: not join them Jun 25 09:22:38 jacekowski he will get to chennel if it don't exsist, the only time he won't if the channel is password protected or invite onely Jun 25 09:22:40 lol jacekowski Jun 25 09:22:45 give some credit mate Jun 25 09:22:55 lol Jun 25 09:22:57 cehteh: pong Jun 25 09:22:58 you know what Jun 25 09:23:02 i'm installing xchat now Jun 25 09:23:07 to prove it to you Jun 25 09:23:07 lol Jun 25 09:23:11 Trizt: well, x-chat had some problems handling channels that redirect to different one Jun 25 09:23:13 chem|st: s. /query Jun 25 09:23:39 5 channels : qt qt-maemo maemo maemo-devel qt-creator Jun 25 09:23:42 jacekowski; okey, didn't know and never really needed to go to a such chan Jun 25 09:23:51 hah .. lol Jun 25 09:24:29 i just found the email inbox cache from the first device i had in december (amazon warehouse deals) of the former owner in my backups Jun 25 09:26:16 lol Jun 25 09:26:20 now it's working Jun 25 09:26:28 PEBKAC Jun 25 09:26:39 What's that? Jun 25 09:27:06 Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair Jun 25 09:27:14 lol Jun 25 09:27:27 MohammadAG51, I'm so lucky you are here to enlighten me mate Jun 25 09:27:36 Thats so true btw Jun 25 09:27:50 xD Jun 25 09:27:53 now then Jun 25 09:28:02 why was i g/k/zlined? Jun 25 09:28:27 * Closing link [Timeout] oh, nvm Jun 25 09:28:39 MohammadAG51, You remember the problem with the dbus? Jun 25 09:28:53 cehteh: got no query... Jun 25 09:30:26 eitama_, yeah? Jun 25 09:31:16 You remember it? Jun 25 09:32:03 i think so Jun 25 09:32:09 Where I had to add the path Jun 25 09:32:12 to the /include folder? Jun 25 09:32:18 /usr/include/QtDbus Jun 25 09:32:29 for it to compile both on madde and autobuilder Jun 25 09:32:51 I found out what was the problem Jun 25 09:33:07 I had QT += dbus Jun 25 09:33:12 at the top of the pro file Jun 25 09:33:13 and Jun 25 09:33:17 somwhere to the end Jun 25 09:33:20 there was another line Jun 25 09:33:23 QT = core gui Jun 25 09:33:28 lol Jun 25 09:40:58 lol Jun 25 09:41:27 Lame eh? Jun 25 09:50:02 im in a super happy mood :) Jun 25 09:51:47 :D Jun 25 09:55:38 why dotblank ? Jun 25 09:56:15 why because I fixed a bug that Ive been trying to fix for the last 3 hours Jun 25 09:56:20 Hi Jun 25 09:56:28 wooooo Jun 25 09:56:33 morn dneary Jun 25 09:56:45 so prior to being happy you were FAR from it Jun 25 09:56:48 :P Jun 25 09:57:01 mirf, well.. I wasn't really angry Jun 25 09:57:07 frustrated Jun 25 09:57:08 ? Jun 25 09:57:17 I mean its amazing what one int can mess up Jun 25 09:57:20 Stskeeps, Can I ask your advice? Jun 25 09:57:33 dneary: always Jun 25 09:57:47 I'd like to change the behaviour of the "Go" button in the wiki so that it doesn't go, it sarches, even if there's an exact name match Jun 25 09:57:51 had to fix it in a seemingly unrelated part of the code Jun 25 09:57:54 Do you think that's a good idea? Jun 25 09:58:17 dneary: i hate the default of 'Go' as it says Search above the text field Jun 25 09:58:32 (basically, if you look at a normal mediawiki, there are two buttons - there's search & go, and I'm going to swap the behaviour for Maemo) Jun 25 09:59:29 Why make it non-standard? Jun 25 09:59:39 cos standard sucks? Jun 25 09:59:39 :P Jun 25 09:59:41 I have no objection - as long as the page of the title comes first. Jun 25 10:00:55 It is an extra click, and more data downloaded, which can be annoying for those on slow connections. Jun 25 10:04:06 * ShadowJK has never figured out how to make the search actually find things :P Jun 25 10:06:11 Stskeeps, Try it now, see it you prefer Jun 25 10:06:31 SpeedEvil, To fit with the maemo.org style of one search button Jun 25 10:06:56 Stskeeps, There is a serious down-side to using search, and that's short searches Jun 25 10:07:05 :nod: Jun 25 10:07:10 Searching for Qt doesn't find the exact matching page now Jun 25 10:08:39 what revision of debian is maemo closest to? Jun 25 10:09:15 Stskeeps, Too big a change to make before leaving for a weekend Jun 25 10:09:26 MohammadAG51, Tough question Jun 25 10:09:41 MohammadAG51, I'd say no released version. Jun 25 10:10:00 :D Jun 25 10:10:26 guess i'll have to check dependencies myself Jun 25 10:13:08 MohammadAG51, If you have a specific question, Stskeeps is our distmaster around here Jun 25 10:13:15 He's sure to be able to help you out Jun 25 10:14:03 dneary, nah, he has a thing against helping out and making you find the answer on your own :P Jun 25 10:19:46 MohammadAG51, The meanie Jun 25 10:19:54 Anyway - off. Bye! Jun 25 10:20:36 hi all! Jun 25 10:20:40 I have good news for you Jun 25 10:20:45 MohammadAG51: a mix of sarge, etch Jun 25 10:20:53 You have ported maemo to the nokia 3310? Jun 25 10:20:57 The Sticky Notes widget is now working correctly Jun 25 10:20:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57049 Jun 25 10:21:01 ah. Jun 25 10:21:06 On the 3310? Jun 25 10:21:08 SpeedEvil: almost :P Jun 25 10:21:30 :) Jun 25 10:23:02 SpeedEvil: btw, the 3310 doesn't quite provide the necessary harware requirements for Maemo Jun 25 10:23:05 :P Jun 25 10:23:21 Stskeeps, I was referring to the touchscreen problem above, but ty anyways :P Jun 25 10:23:47 what touchscreen problem? :P Jun 25 10:24:37 Stskeeps, the one where the ts doesn't work on ubuntu 9.10 :) Jun 25 10:24:53 MohammadAG51: didn't i tell you to look at how we got that working in meego? :P Jun 25 10:25:12 Stskeeps, no, you sent me to mer :P Jun 25 10:25:25 and the tsc2005.ko thing didn't work :) Jun 25 10:25:25 .. no i didn't Jun 25 10:25:43 as well as the mer xorg.conf file Jun 25 10:25:51 tsc2005.ko being there is one part, second part is xorg.conf configuration, third part is getting rid of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics Jun 25 10:26:33 Venemo: That just makes it a challenge! :) Jun 25 10:33:00 hmmm. anyone played with the infrared? Jun 25 10:33:04 i cant say mine actually fires. Jun 25 10:33:16 how've you checked it Jun 25 10:33:50 camera I presume Jun 25 10:34:04 well its not controlling my tv, and im trying the shutter ap. Jun 25 10:34:15 im not quite sure how to test with a camera, though. Jun 25 10:34:43 ccds are very sensitive to IR Jun 25 10:34:47 manually send a command through lirc while pointing a digital video camera at the ir port Jun 25 10:34:58 you should see blue flashes on the camera if the port's sending the command Jun 25 10:35:07 one sec. Jun 25 10:35:08 doesn't have to video, anything with live preview Jun 25 10:35:14 wheres the IR port? :p by the way Jun 25 10:35:36 top right of the device Jun 25 10:36:31 except that usually there are filters before or after the cmos/ccd? Jun 25 10:36:44 right. i can see the flash of my tv remote. Jun 25 10:37:20 ah yes. its flashing for shutter. Jun 25 10:37:40 ok. definitely flashes Jun 25 10:37:52 its some sort of remote misconfiguration one would assume Jun 25 10:38:26 if you're trying to use qtirreco remotes yes Jun 25 10:38:37 loads of them are duff and send invalid/nonexistant codes Jun 25 10:39:54 well. i was trying to get the device info and create my own remote Jun 25 10:40:03 it was one model number at the end off, ill try another tv Jun 25 10:42:20 tsk tsk tsk, who optifies a -dev package :) Jun 25 10:43:53 builder4 broke? Jun 25 10:48:23 meh, gparted failed to build :( Jun 25 10:52:14 MohammadAG: gnome deps? Jun 25 10:52:25 alterego, nope Jun 25 10:52:45 alterego, all deps satisfied, configure script goes well, make fails Jun 25 10:53:24 Oh :( Jun 25 10:53:49 Are you planning to hildonize it? :) Jun 25 10:54:24 alterego, how would I if the regular one doesn't build :) Jun 25 10:57:03 alterego, http://pastebin.com/wUX1eiuz Jun 25 10:59:14 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/angler Jun 25 11:00:52 looks like you might have the wrong version of something? Jun 25 11:01:35 mm Jun 25 11:01:36 works on one tv Jun 25 11:02:00 hm, cool: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/telepathy-ring Jun 25 11:02:06 they really do mean open source seriously Jun 25 11:02:47 alterego, well the debian/control file doesn't have versioned deps so :) Jun 25 11:04:13 :/ Jun 25 11:06:33 There should be a kayboard shortcut to open a browser window. Jun 25 11:07:04 Also, has anyone had an issue where microb opens with juust location bar and stop button? Jun 25 11:09:39 and the blue 'bar' keeps moving, yeah Jun 25 11:10:04 No, loads thepage fine, just those are the only widgets in the toolbar. Jun 25 11:10:12 happened to me once Jun 25 11:10:15 uhm .. say.. isn't the camera in the N900 supposed to auto rotate photos? Jun 25 11:10:40 Hahah, "Apple releases advice on how to hold iPhone 4" pahahah Jun 25 11:10:55 Admitting there's a problem is the first step :) Jun 25 11:11:01 e-yes, I checked out the boot.log file, it had some permission denied entries in it, who should the files be owned by? Jun 25 11:11:08 alterego, link? Jun 25 11:11:11 alterego: actually Jobs calls the users idiots... it seems.. :) Jun 25 11:11:20 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm Jun 25 11:11:34 alterego: they'll buy it anyway, which proofs his point.. ;) Jun 25 11:12:07 or hate lefties Jun 25 11:12:31 DIY iPhone: "Alternatively, said Apple, customers could buy a case to shield the antenna. " Jun 25 11:12:50 or another phone Jun 25 11:13:04 I'm so glad I'll never ever gonna have _ANY_ product from Apple. Jun 25 11:13:17 diyPhone :D Jun 25 11:13:44 us lefties never get any love :( Jun 25 11:13:59 LOL Mr Jobs wrote that "All phones have sensitive areas". Jun 25 11:14:23 "a case to shield the antenna" .. wait what Jun 25 11:14:55 well, if i grab my n900 in both hands Jun 25 11:15:06 to cover everything on a back Jun 25 11:15:16 i tried that yesterday, i couldnt get the signal to drop below full Jun 25 11:15:30 tried completely covering it from every way, signal bar stayed rock solid Jun 25 11:15:38 I've never had a signal drop on any phone tbh Jun 25 11:15:49 me either, not appreciably Jun 25 11:16:02 Jobs will never ever admit an error or design flaw. Jun 25 11:16:03 nidO: you think you do deserve it? Jun 25 11:16:04 anybody knows how to start the Clock app in maemo5 from the terminal? Jun 25 11:16:17 chem|st: yes, im not evil :( Jun 25 11:16:45 * chem|st hands a flower to nidO, left handed Jun 25 11:16:49 nidO: i can Jun 25 11:16:52 \o/ Jun 25 11:16:55 nidO: if you grab it in both hands Jun 25 11:17:00 nidO: i can make it go from 3g to 2g Jun 25 11:17:03 It is extremely noticable for me when typing on the keyboard Jun 25 11:17:14 the 3g signal can decrease by a lot Jun 25 11:17:15 lemme try that, mine's forcibly stuck to 2g atm Jun 25 11:17:29 well, 2g is different Jun 25 11:17:40 so it's harder to affect it that much Jun 25 11:17:43 I get issues in low signal areas like that, but that is too be expected tbh, sometimes the signal actually gets better when I hold it. Jun 25 11:17:46 MohammadAG: My old 9300i's never worked very well in GSM-900 areas.. Jun 25 11:17:46 SpeedEvil: true, gps and wifi can be irritated easily Jun 25 11:17:52 too.... Jun 25 11:17:56 andre__, hmm, sec Jun 25 11:17:57 hm Jun 25 11:18:00 Thye issue with the iPhone 4 is a manufacturing defect. Jun 25 11:18:06 MohammadAG, can't find the freaking name of it Jun 25 11:18:07 if i completely shield the phone with both hands as best I can Jun 25 11:18:13 I can get 3g to drop from 4 bars to 3 Jun 25 11:18:25 alterego: yea it's just dumb Jun 25 11:18:26 Well, actually "it's really cool engineering" defect. Jun 25 11:18:57 to put two antenna in a "short-them-on-each-other" position Jun 25 11:19:02 neat. Jun 25 11:19:05 alterego: as I said in tmo, mac is doing the microsoft way of it's not a bug it's a feature fail Jun 25 11:19:11 alterego: well, n900 had problems with usb port Jun 25 11:19:33 but that's a minority of devices jacekowski Jun 25 11:19:54 some users not being careful enough with inherantly-fragile usb ports != all devices having a design flaw that lets the two antenna short on each other and fail Jun 25 11:19:57 jacekowski: that was what I wrote first on tmo, I just pull my device off the cord for 6 month now! Jun 25 11:20:21 7650 had problems with ribbon connecting keyboard and screen Jun 25 11:20:28 jacekowski: sure, N900 has problems with software too. I phone doesn't even have USB, but if it did .... I'm sure it'd start downloading your brain to iTunes when you touched it in the wrong way :D Jun 25 11:20:56 andre__, LOL it's called worldclock for some reason Jun 25 11:21:00 jacekowski: a lot of slides wear out that way. I had to fix an N95 the other day that had a fucked ribbon. Jun 25 11:21:26 the iPhone is a style gadget not something to work with, and I don't like those show-offs Jun 25 11:21:35 main point really is though that yeah some devices have weaknesses in certain components that wear out a bit quicker than they should or whatever, but it's a pretty spectacular fuckup to make a phone that doesnt function as a phone when you're *shock* holding it. Jun 25 11:21:38 well, n900 is a brick Jun 25 11:21:44 brick shape Jun 25 11:21:45 do we have a z-machine? Jun 25 11:21:45 brick size Jun 25 11:21:49 brick weight Jun 25 11:21:53 brick battery life Jun 25 11:21:58 i've alwats wanted handheld zork Jun 25 11:21:59 nidO: exactly :) Jun 25 11:22:00 battery life is the worst one Jun 25 11:22:02 jacekowski, k, we got it... Jun 25 11:22:08 jacekowski: a not true on the battery life Jun 25 11:22:16 i want something that can last 3 days Jun 25 11:22:28 jacekowski: we're all aware of your tard fanboiism for Steve's iPeenus :P Jun 25 11:22:28 I want something like my e90 that could manage a week :( Jun 25 11:22:30 MohammadAG, garr. thanks Jun 25 11:22:31 buy 10 batteries Jun 25 11:22:32 jacekowski: just because you cannot handle it doesn't mean it is worse Jun 25 11:22:49 i'm not saying it's worse Jun 25 11:22:57 andre__, had to launch it and watch the output of top to see which process would spike :) and np Jun 25 11:23:05 if everybody here would be saying how good iphone is Jun 25 11:23:13 i would be on opposite side Jun 25 11:23:17 nidO: you exchange battery life with always on Jun 25 11:23:19 to remind people about the problems Jun 25 11:23:29 I'm still suprised he said customers could by the DIY insulation ... Jun 25 11:23:39 MohammadAG, oh, nice idea to find out. Hope I won't forget :) Jun 25 11:23:50 but battery life is the biggest problem i had with n900 Jun 25 11:23:57 my e90 was more always on than my n900, tbh. I could get 6 days out of that with bluetooth and wifi enabled, my n900 gives me 2 and a half ish, tops, with wifi disabled when not in use Jun 25 11:23:59 and because it doesn't have standard usb connector Jun 25 11:24:03 I would have tholught he'd give them away, but I guess he actually honestly thinks that insulating an antenna is work thirty fucking dollars ... Jun 25 11:24:06 i can't charge it everywhere Jun 25 11:24:12 jacekowski: you had?! now it is gone? Jun 25 11:24:19 jacekowski: why not? Jun 25 11:24:25 s/work/worth Jun 25 11:24:28 well, mini usb is more common Jun 25 11:24:48 the most annoying part about the battery life is the fact that the n900's battery is plain 15% lower capacity than the 5-year-old design in the e90, despite being physically the same volume Jun 25 11:24:51 I think the usb is a strange choice too Jun 25 11:25:00 to get n900 cable( micro usb? ) i had to walk a lot Jun 25 11:25:09 micro USB is required Jun 25 11:25:18 SpeedEvil: why? Jun 25 11:25:25 but I like the little adaptor you get in the box for plugging it onto oldder nokia chargers... everyone has them Jun 25 11:25:31 its also a fairly fragile connector.. compared to miniusb Jun 25 11:25:32 jacekowski: I bought 5 micro cables for 7eur Jun 25 11:25:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB Jun 25 11:25:36 see that Jun 25 11:25:37 top Jun 25 11:25:41 nidO: E series are designed for a different purpose though. I'm not bothered by battery life, it's never going to be enough on any device. Jun 25 11:25:50 was agreed like a year or two ago that all new phones have to use microusb now for charging Jun 25 11:25:57 in the eu at least Jun 25 11:26:05 nidO: And china Jun 25 11:26:07 ahhh wicked Jun 25 11:26:08 damn EU, always brings problems to everyone Jun 25 11:26:14 I thought they were goning to make mini the standard Jun 25 11:26:17 but that's great Jun 25 11:26:23 alterego: true, I want my netbook to last 4 days like I get my n900 to Jun 25 11:26:25 mini was abandoned very quickly because it's shite Jun 25 11:26:26 MohammadAG: You'd really rather every phone has it's own charger? Jun 25 11:26:31 far far more fragile than micro Jun 25 11:26:51 MohammadAG: the micro usb is an issue for when I'm torrenting through my phone as modem :P Jun 25 11:26:56 I have to do the same with my netbook as I have to do with n900 Jun 25 11:27:03 SpeedEvil: thing is that why they went for micro not mini Jun 25 11:27:05 holy schism host mode usb! Jun 25 11:27:05 SpeedEvil, do Nokia chargers work with any MicroUSB device? Jun 25 11:27:07 nidO, you make it sound like it was an EU REQUIREMENT where as AFAIK, it was just a bunch of manufactures saying they will do it Jun 25 11:27:14 Including Apple, and they don't do it Jun 25 11:27:29 MohammadAG: yes Jun 25 11:27:42 MohammadAG: they are 'normal' USB chargers with a microb plug Jun 25 11:27:53 microusb* Jun 25 11:27:58 chem|st: netbooks, tablets will be awesome when they start building them with the kind of stuff we have in phones (like iPad) but then you'll end up paying more than we pay for phones. Jun 25 11:28:02 Termana, it was an agreement between all the major manufactures including nokia who were one of the initial proponents of a charging standard, so yes they did have to do it on the n900 Jun 25 11:28:03 MohammadAG: micro B Jun 25 11:28:07 o Jun 25 11:28:07 oh Jun 25 11:28:07 Bigger screen, bigger batteries .. Jun 25 11:28:08 o/ Jun 25 11:28:09 jo guys Jun 25 11:28:33 is there anyone over here that can read (and translate) spanish for me? Jun 25 11:28:39 yeah, bigger batteries Jun 25 11:28:40 Google translate > fail Jun 25 11:28:48 alterego: I manage to get 4 days out of my netbook if I hit standby any time I am not needing it Jun 25 11:28:54 HtheB: well, i know somebody who speaks spanish Jun 25 11:29:02 chem|st: I just use hibernate :) Jun 25 11:29:10 HtheB: ask on ubuntu-es Jun 25 11:29:11 HtheB: link Jun 25 11:29:18 HtheB, I can do better than Google Translate Jun 25 11:29:26 http://conversaciones.nokia.com/2010/06/24/make-my-app-semana-final-y-juzgamos/ Jun 25 11:29:28 All I have to do is bang the keyboard a few times Jun 25 11:29:32 what do they say about 3) Jun 25 11:29:33 ? Jun 25 11:29:51 BACON! Jun 25 11:30:25 HtheB: i don't speak spanish at all Jun 25 11:30:29 HtheB: and i can understand it Jun 25 11:30:45 ._. Jun 25 11:30:49 I bet the issue with the iPhone 4 is, it just doesn't _like_ being touched. It wants to be put on a thrown under a spot light so every one can see it's shiney! Jun 25 11:30:56 Don't touch me!!! Jun 25 11:30:58 * lcuk frals trout with a MohammadAG Jun 25 11:31:07 Yo'll grease up meh screen bro. Jun 25 11:31:15 from the ease of shattering the backplate combined with the antenna problem, it would seem that way Jun 25 11:31:22 * MohammadAG slaps lcuk with a trouty frals Jun 25 11:31:22 HtheB: something that you proposed to use front camera to make photos of people that touched your phone Jun 25 11:31:25 "touch me and ill either shatter or not work as a phone." Jun 25 11:31:30 yeahthats right Jun 25 11:31:31 but Jun 25 11:31:45 Lo bueno? (something good?) Jun 25 11:31:49 Lo malo Jun 25 11:31:54 lo extrano? O_o Jun 25 11:32:16 iPhone 4 - I love how the Apple fanboys mocked the Nexus One's 3G issues, and now the iPhone has 3G issues. Jun 25 11:32:22 HtheB: the good, the bad, the ugly Jun 25 11:32:23 nidO: I thought it was funny how the fanboy spinners were saying it only shattered because it was an empty case. I wonder if they tried it with their own devices :) Jun 25 11:32:38 HtheB: so called pros and cons in english Jun 25 11:32:39 HtheB: malo bad extra~no strange Jun 25 11:32:43 well there've been several real users with their brand new phones shattering their backplates already Jun 25 11:32:45 from drops of like Jun 25 11:32:47 a foot Jun 25 11:32:58 shit, Jun 25 11:33:12 I thought it only happened in that tesst. Jun 25 11:33:21 so, what is their opinion about it? XD Jun 25 11:33:29 I have one question for Mr Joba though ..... "Will it blend"? Jun 25 11:33:35 HtheB: the pros and cons of taking a picture with frontcam to identify a person who found/stole your phone Jun 25 11:33:46 ? Jun 25 11:34:00 Use both front and rear cam Jun 25 11:34:06 * TigerTael shrugs Jun 25 11:34:07 alterego: im suprised that question hasnt been answered already tbh :( Jun 25 11:34:15 we got the ipad answer like same day it was released Jun 25 11:34:30 yeah Jun 25 11:34:48 thnx Jun 25 11:34:49 =) Jun 25 11:35:40 HtheB: that it is some kind of not useful as police does not have channels for it yet Jun 25 11:36:32 i see Jun 25 11:36:33 good in terms of security measure, but they doubt that it will hold proof of concept Jun 25 11:36:33 hmm Jun 25 11:37:49 HtheB: teh ugly part is about... hmm overdoing it Jun 25 11:38:37 google trans says sometihng about family and friends? Jun 25 11:38:39 lets say its something that can be abused in "big-brother" style Jun 25 11:38:47 ah Jun 25 11:38:48 hmm Jun 25 11:38:49 xD Jun 25 11:39:06 Wow, the iPhone looks like pure evil once it's blended ... Jun 25 11:39:13 ? Jun 25 11:39:17 nidO, he isn't selling enough blenders to buy an iPhone 4 Jun 25 11:39:26 thnx chem|st ! Jun 25 11:39:27 my spanish is not that good but like watching friends and family not touching your device Jun 25 11:40:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06O5rejU3ZU Jun 25 11:40:53 hahah Jun 25 11:40:54 HtheB: all three... the good the bad the ugly are normal statements that are known issues of security measures Jun 25 11:41:27 oh neat, that doesnt seem to be on their own site yet :p Jun 25 11:42:00 heh :D Jun 25 11:42:03 nid0 it's not real, but I don't know how I missed that :D Jun 25 11:42:03 lets hope that I will win :p Jun 25 11:42:18 hm, hopefully its gonna get blended today then! Jun 25 11:42:32 He said 25th I think Jun 25 11:42:36 yeh Jun 25 11:42:36 :( Jun 25 11:42:37 today Jun 25 11:42:46 Oh yeah!!! :D Jun 25 11:42:52 HtheB: the bad is also about quality of pictures Jun 25 11:42:55 Don't taze me bro!!! Jun 25 11:43:23 oh I put that wrong.. Jun 25 11:43:37 it could make bad quality Jun 25 11:43:53 HtheB: the bad is not about missing channels of the police but about if it is of any use for the police to find your phone Jun 25 11:43:55 its not sure it will make good pictures of the oent hat uses the phone Jun 25 11:44:07 yeah, I got that part :) Jun 25 11:44:12 well... Jun 25 11:44:15 lets hope for it :D Jun 25 11:44:17 2 days left!!!! Jun 25 11:44:18 :D Jun 25 11:44:28 http://217.149.58.248/campaign/app?shared=1274744642 Jun 25 11:44:39 over 59.000 people likes the idea Jun 25 11:45:29 this is the shortlisted link: http://217.149.58.248/campaign/useful-apps?sortby=shortlisted Jun 25 11:45:50 see the differences between the facebook "I like this" stuff :p Jun 25 11:45:51 haha Jun 25 11:46:02 well.. ill bbl now. Jun 25 11:46:05 thanks again chem|st ! Jun 25 11:47:27 HtheB: I like the idea but I think that pictures aren't the best idea, the best idea would be that the phone starts to hand out all stats every 5 minutes per email/cloak-sms (not visible in conversations), like GPS, HotSpots in range, phone number and ID of simcard and so on Jun 25 11:48:46 should be triggered somehow so it doesn't do it if the phone is not missing Jun 25 11:56:06 well, probably first thing thath thief would do is restore the phone Jun 25 11:56:13 so anything in software is not going to work Jun 25 11:56:43 kernel modification + playing with bootloader so kernel can't be changed would be better idea Jun 25 11:56:53 but it's still something that's not100% reliable Jun 25 11:57:03 and besides Jun 25 11:57:38 jacekowski: deaktivating the flash functions, so it can't be flashed is some kind of... you know Jun 25 11:57:39 in england for example al banks give you phone insurance/travel insurance/lot of usefull stuff for free with your account Jun 25 11:57:49 chem|st: not deactivating Jun 25 11:57:56 chem|st: it would pretend that it's flashing Jun 25 11:58:03 chem|st: but it would leave kernel intact Jun 25 11:58:25 chem|st: and everything would be in kernel Jun 25 11:58:31 anyone here listen to hardstyle/hardcore? :D Jun 25 11:58:40 does hardcore porn counts? Jun 25 11:58:45 haha no :( Jun 25 11:58:51 changing the key you have to press is an idea that comes with it, the standard key pretends the other does flash Jun 25 11:59:04 Lullen: not atm Jun 25 12:00:03 chem|st so you like it? I need new music : ( Jun 25 12:00:25 Lullen: tastekid.com Jun 25 12:00:28 Lullen: last.fm Jun 25 12:00:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWAv2PF1xI&feature=related Jun 25 12:00:50 :D Jun 25 12:00:51 Lullen: there is a place called store they have that many vinyls they sell them Jun 25 12:01:09 stores?! I think you are kidding :) Jun 25 12:01:21 I have never been in a music store in my whole life Jun 25 12:01:38 where do you get your music? Jun 25 12:01:50 piratebay? :) Jun 25 12:01:54 Lullen: I own some of those old things and like it Jun 25 12:02:03 Lullen: that's fucking theft Jun 25 12:02:09 Lullen: and nobody here supports it Jun 25 12:02:14 Lullen: you want it - pay or don't use it Jun 25 12:02:21 Lullen: that's where I get nothing but hardcore pr0n Jun 25 12:02:36 Lullen: if you don't think it's worth they price they are asking for - don't pay for it - don't use it Jun 25 12:02:53 jacekowski, I did not say I want any links to torrent sites or something, I just want to discuss music :) Jun 25 12:03:10 music you have not paid for Jun 25 12:03:14 jacekowski, alternatively, use iTunes Jun 25 12:03:14 or contributed in any way Jun 25 12:03:16 wait... Jun 25 12:03:18 :P Jun 25 12:03:22 Termana: oh no Jun 25 12:03:24 and second I will never pay for it, I pay for conserts Jun 25 12:03:28 Termana: you sad the "i" word Jun 25 12:03:29 Kidding, there is Amazon MP3 Jun 25 12:03:46 Termana: you will be iRaped Jun 25 12:03:50 Also, Jun 25 12:04:14 besides, dinner time Jun 25 12:04:18 okey Jun 25 12:04:19 chem|st, lol - vinyls? Jun 25 12:04:21 by Jun 25 12:04:31 Hi! is there any known problem with the n900 ovi store? Jun 25 12:04:42 the_lord: lot of them Jun 25 12:04:44 I've been in music stores, but never any that have records, only CDs. Jun 25 12:04:54 why is everyone against downloading mp3s? I have never met anyone that bought a cd in the last 5years :P Jun 25 12:05:08 jacekowski, one so evil that tells me that my phone is not compatible? Jun 25 12:05:13 and now there is spotify... Jun 25 12:05:34 Lullen, no one said they were against downloading mp3s. We're against illegally downloading mp3s Jun 25 12:05:42 Termana: hell yeah Jun 25 12:05:47 the_lord: you have to select n900 Jun 25 12:06:18 Stskeeps: moo :) Jun 25 12:06:27 termana, for me its the same as I have only found 1 song that is legal to download Jun 25 12:06:29 jacekowski, if I enter the ovi store using my phone browser, it tells me that the phone is not compatible Jun 25 12:06:30 Stskeeps: I've sent you my details to your gmail inbox Jun 25 12:06:47 * pahartik refuses to use "MPEG audio layer 3" Jun 25 12:06:48 wazd: ah, finally Jun 25 12:06:51 hello righthanded losers :D Jun 25 12:06:53 Lullen, have you not heard of Amazon? no? Surely iTunes? Jun 25 12:06:58 pahartik, ogg man Jun 25 12:07:02 Termana: some got little paper snippets in the box with codes to download the mp3s, one is reading "Because it is the hell of an effort to rip vinyls to mp3 or flac properly we thought this is useful" Jun 25 12:07:07 pahartik, fight the power Jun 25 12:07:14 pahartik, fight the oppressive man Jun 25 12:07:38 chem|st, lol Jun 25 12:08:04 Termana: Well, that and "MPEG-4 AAC" Jun 25 12:08:05 Termana: I like to have hardware in my hands Jun 25 12:08:06 Termana, why pay for it when you can get it for free? The artists wont get much money anyways... Thats why I can go to the other side of the globe to see a consert Jun 25 12:09:10 Stskeeps: yeah, my sister will drive me mad one day Jun 25 12:09:58 Lullen: it is not for free, as soon as you ripped them of for +20k eur it is avenged with 2-5 years jail Jun 25 12:10:12 Lullen, you would like my app then Jun 25 12:10:36 dotblank, Grooveshark app? Jun 25 12:10:37 dotblank, I like grooveshark :) Jun 25 12:10:53 yup Jun 25 12:10:55 grooveshark is great! Jun 25 12:11:06 chem|st I can not get caught anyhow as my internet provider deletes all info about me :) Jun 25 12:11:23 woah Lullen which isp? Jun 25 12:11:29 bahnhof Jun 25 12:11:36 Lullen: they do not care about your internet provider Jun 25 12:11:36 its swedish Jun 25 12:11:43 Lullen, not getting caught doesn't mean its good Jun 25 12:12:02 Termana: that's the point Jun 25 12:12:09 chem|st you need to know the swedish laws. Jun 25 12:12:37 you got no law for property theft? Jun 25 12:12:49 Termana: the system should be changed... Like 30% of the swedes download illegal stuff Jun 25 12:12:57 I wonder how apple will solve that problem, since the design is pretty much based on that antenna thing Jun 25 12:13:06 We do but the music labels can not get my names Jun 25 12:13:22 wazd: make users operate the device using their butt Jun 25 12:13:28 wazd, I don't think you can "fix" it - I mean, its how they built it Jun 25 12:13:30 as they need to go to court and as my provider deletes my info there is nothing they can find Jun 25 12:13:43 wazd, I know how the made the mistake though Jun 25 12:13:46 Termana: yeah, that's what I think too :) Jun 25 12:13:48 I have inside information Jun 25 12:14:42 wazd, Steve Jobs, in his infinite godism, was testing it by making it levitate in the air. Therefore he never found out that holding it made it lose signal Jun 25 12:14:46 Stskeeps: butt is already busy with vuvuzella :D Jun 25 12:14:55 But really I could pay 10-20 euro a month to be able to download everything I wanted... Jun 25 12:15:00 Termana: oh Jun 25 12:15:06 Termana: that makes sense :D Jun 25 12:15:48 Termana: that also explains the glass back :) Jun 25 12:16:17 and he was dare to compare it to old Leica camera Jun 25 12:17:18 wazd, :D also - word has it that you have not been doing your daily worship of the Jobs, by facing Cupertino and praying, 5 times daily. Jun 25 12:17:41 You devil. Jun 25 12:42:09 jacekowski, it was the phone language Jun 25 13:00:59 anyone of you uses mobilehotspot? i dont get a dhcp offer Jun 25 13:03:55 cant manually set ips? Jun 25 13:07:11 olrite Jun 25 13:07:23 maker of the micro usb connector needs a headshot Jun 25 13:07:25 srsly Jun 25 13:09:37 what's the name of that package which can create buttons to launch arbitrary commands? Jun 25 13:12:13 game swf run low :( are there soluction? Jun 25 13:12:57 hold device higher up Jun 25 13:13:24 just out of curiosity Jun 25 13:13:37 what do you think, how many percent of people know what is a browser? Jun 25 13:13:57 50% Jun 25 13:14:02 ? Jun 25 13:14:39 Venemo: Define "people" Jun 25 13:14:52 I think 25% Jun 25 13:14:54 less. Jun 25 13:15:10 SpeedEvil: thanks for your bug report :) Jun 25 13:15:11 yeah, define people Jun 25 13:15:11 ok by world population maybe 10% Jun 25 13:15:19 pahartik: if you go to a public square and ask the question "what is a browser?", how many people would know the answer? Jun 25 13:15:24 SpeedEvil: you were slightly too late though, as I just uploaded 0.3 for testing. Jun 25 13:15:27 for example, on the Time Square Jun 25 13:15:45 I remember explaining to a friend that s/he can install another program than the default MSIE on her machine to view internet websites. Jun 25 13:15:47 "english-speaker with an internet connection" is the interesting one Jun 25 13:15:57 SpeedEvil: anyhow, I've modified the config loading for the daemon process as you suggested, will upload 0.4 later once enough people have tested 0.3 :) Jun 25 13:16:02 nah, what are your estimated? Jun 25 13:16:08 nah, what are your estimates? Jun 25 13:16:16 alterego: np Jun 25 13:16:39 alterego: I should have gotten round to testing it faster. :) Jun 25 13:17:04 alterego: I don't have a well-organised queue - I just tend to go to the qa list, install 25 things, and then test them at random. Jun 25 13:17:15 X-Fade: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=728915#post728915 Jun 25 13:17:32 the truth is, less than 8% of people knew Jun 25 13:17:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ Jun 25 13:18:03 Stskeeps: he's not around today. personal day Jun 25 13:18:03 is there any other media players out? Jun 25 13:18:07 lbt_: ah, ok Jun 25 13:18:35 obsidieth: A few Jun 25 13:18:39 unless that was yesterday... Jun 25 13:18:41 Venemo: Without knowing what HTTP and HTML are, concept of HTML browser is unreachable Jun 25 13:18:44 obsidieth: I recall symphonie, and some other Jun 25 13:18:54 parasight: of course it's not. Jun 25 13:19:03 parasight: 'it's the program you acess the web with' Jun 25 13:19:39 pahartik: you don't need to know anything about HTTP nor HTML to understand what a website or a web browser is Jun 25 13:20:10 do schools still teach 'the internet' as 'how to design a web page'? Jun 25 13:20:11 Indeed, you can build websites with no http or html Jun 25 13:20:27 er, 'how to write html.' Jun 25 13:20:28 SpeedEvil: xml and ftp? Jun 25 13:20:29 SpeedEvil: this is about the visitors, not the builders of websites Jun 25 13:20:30 SpeedEvil: yup.... gimme $5000 and I give you a website :) Jun 25 13:20:37 zash: yep Jun 25 13:20:40 or flash Jun 25 13:20:50 Venemo: I know Jun 25 13:21:08 Venemo: I'm just saying that knowing http is pointless. As ftp can be a functional equivalent. Jun 25 13:21:18 any recommendation SpeedEvil? Jun 25 13:21:21 SpeedEvil: true Jun 25 13:21:21 ill check some out Jun 25 13:21:22 Can someone tell me how to see/view missed calls? Jun 25 13:21:27 Venemo: As is knowing http without just understanding that tehre are many ways to layout pages Jun 25 13:21:41 SpeedEvil: still, the 8% number scared me really Jun 25 13:21:47 meh. Jun 25 13:22:06 SpeedEvil: watch the video Jun 25 13:22:08 You have to understand fundamentally that people don't have time for boring shit. Jun 25 13:22:15 Venemo: that's pretty awesome. Jun 25 13:22:17 Even if we think it's interesting. Jun 25 13:23:07 do someone know if the language in qtify is hard coded? Jun 25 13:23:20 Many people use their effort to learn vastly more important things, like how to pole-dance, or how to strip and rebuild a rabbit in 23 seconds. Jun 25 13:23:39 damn highlights Jun 25 13:24:19 SpeedEvil: what amazes me most about this is that people use a browser in their daily lives without knowing what it is Jun 25 13:24:20 Why do you have pole-dance on highlight? Jun 25 13:24:21 :) Jun 25 13:24:28 Venemo: no, they don't. Jun 25 13:24:32 Venemo: They know what it is. Jun 25 13:24:44 Venemo: They don't have a term for it. The two are very differnet. Jun 25 13:24:55 SpeedEvil: huh, good point Jun 25 13:25:47 For example - if you asked them about another program that does the same thing as internet explorer, they might well answer firefox/... - even though they can't answer the browser question. Jun 25 13:26:34 SpeedEvil: Those persons mostly call it "internet", not "browser" Jun 25 13:26:38 for the layman, the advantage of internet explorer is the fact that it's very name tells you what it does Jun 25 13:26:41 no other browsers do so. Jun 25 13:26:45 indeed Jun 25 13:27:17 nidO: true :) Jun 25 13:29:58 SpeedEvil: anyhow, 0.3 is in testing now, rather than vote on it, just test it and any issues I'll fix in 0.4 which will be the stable release :) Jun 25 13:31:23 :) Jun 25 13:31:26 Will do. Jun 25 13:31:45