**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 26 02:59:58 2010 Jun 26 03:04:01 damn, this older one N900 now *always* needs a re-plugin to charger to detect it Jun 26 03:04:15 Isn't it just lovely that Nokia is ceasing development on Maemo 5 and opting to not port MeeGo to the N900? Jun 26 03:04:50 yes it is. Where you've been when we had the party to celebrate it? Jun 26 03:04:53 Gotta love they're dedication to a phone that's been out for all of 8 months Jun 26 03:05:16 I'm really here to find out if there's anything newer/better than Diablo for my N800... Jun 26 03:05:28 I avoided the N900 like the plague and am *so* happy I did Jun 26 03:05:29 mhm Jun 26 03:05:44 fine Jun 26 03:05:53 you're finished with that now? Jun 26 03:06:11 Mer is dead, apparently. The MeeGo wiki for the N8x0 doesn't state that they have a working port... Jun 26 03:06:33 As far as I know the reason Maemo 5 never made it to the N8x0 series was due to the fact that the ARM chip is too old Jun 26 03:06:38 meego on N810 is working afaik Jun 26 03:06:56 mmmh? really? link? Jun 26 03:07:08 there's no newer maemo for N8x0 than fremantle. So please /join #meego with your questions Jun 26 03:07:28 I thought freemantle was N900 only... Jun 26 03:07:40 err sorry, diablo of course Jun 26 03:07:53 :( Jun 26 03:08:02 okay, I'll ask in meego. Jun 26 03:08:13 ask stskeeps Jun 26 03:08:36 though I think he's a week off for holiday Jun 26 03:08:59 maybe #meego-arm is the chan for you Jun 26 03:10:36 gonna have to hack my IRC clients to have a small horzontal sub window like the topic one, for join/quit/system msgs (2..4 lines max) Jun 26 03:11:22 MohammadAG51: where's my python-enabled xchat??? Jun 26 03:13:38 hm Jun 26 03:14:01 anybody notice the vkb in telepathy/conversation doesnt use enter correctly? Jun 26 03:14:04 :) Jun 26 03:14:36 hitting enter sends cr to the vkb Jun 26 03:14:45 instead of closing it and sending the msg Jun 26 03:14:49 for im Jun 26 03:34:40 to answer my own question about undimming the screen: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"unlocked" Jun 26 03:37:00 what is that why is /com/nokia is that some kernel thing / there are no Directories with that name? hello. Jun 26 03:37:53 it's dbus Jun 26 03:38:44 why the dotted notation com.nokia.mce .. seen that in BSD com.apple or mac Jun 26 03:39:17 it's dbus Jun 26 03:39:54 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/dbus/api/ Jun 26 03:47:53 hum ok code me a low-level impementation of iphone app that scratches like DJ scratch when rubbing the touchscreen. Jun 26 04:00:35 is dbus related to kernel modules. what comes first a module or a dbus lowlevel. or both . one supports the other or. what api are modules compiled with . Jun 26 04:01:03 dbus is application level Jun 26 04:01:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus Jun 26 04:02:41 lol what is this? Jun 26 04:02:41 http://store.ovi.com/content/42450?clickSource=browse&contentArea=applications#/content/42450/reviews Jun 26 04:09:42 wow Jun 26 04:09:43 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/06/nokia-to-use-meego-linux-and-not-symbian-for-flagship-phones.ars Jun 26 04:10:00 How did I miss this ars article Jun 26 04:10:46 because it came out 13 hours ago? Jun 26 04:11:23 dotblank: you're shocked at this? Jun 26 04:11:37 hey im usually faster then that Jun 26 04:12:28 dotblank: and, stupid apps aren't bad, really. they add to overall app count. and, plenty of android/iphone apps are just as stupid. Jun 26 04:44:57 i think namespace of dbus naming should be irc.freenode.maemo so /net/freenode/maemo.. Jun 26 04:46:55 make it happen! Jun 26 04:48:02 well yes we can . say the obaminators. Jun 26 05:18:42 hello all Jun 26 05:24:20 i want to buy a nokia n800 anybody can help me with some tips to do a good purchase ? Jun 26 05:41:55 hal9k2010; did you try ebay? Jun 26 05:54:14 moo all Jun 26 05:54:17 hello zap Jun 26 05:54:29 moooorning :) Jun 26 05:54:51 blub Jun 26 06:02:18 i am looking to some alternatives @ ebay Jun 26 06:04:08 my wife use a ipod touch but i like the n800 but dont know what to spect with the n800 Jun 26 06:04:40 media playback , web browsing Jun 26 06:05:43 something like that Jun 26 06:06:09 do you have one ? Jun 26 06:06:20 no, I have a n900 Jun 26 06:06:45 i supouse web exp shoud be better cause of the flash ... right ? Jun 26 06:07:38 it could, depends on where you surf and the n900 just has version 9, so there are flash sites that won't work in it too Jun 26 06:07:54 i see Jun 26 06:08:32 but as I understand there should be some sort of flash player for the n800 and skype Jun 26 06:08:33 n900 use maemo 2008 ? Jun 26 06:08:53 n900 uses maemo 5 Jun 26 06:09:06 ok Jun 26 06:09:34 n900 is a real phone... no only a internet table t Jun 26 06:09:41 right ? Jun 26 06:09:43 yes, it's a phone too Jun 26 06:09:48 ok Jun 26 06:10:39 ok thanks for the help... i guess i am back to ebay and see if i buy one tonite :) Jun 26 06:10:53 have a good one Jun 26 06:11:16 you too Jun 26 06:54:51 Hi, is there available source for the media player in fremantle? Jun 26 07:34:20 nope, afaik Jun 26 07:35:48 i have somethings with my ukeyboard Jun 26 07:35:54 im from viet nam Jun 26 07:36:11 can anyone help me pls Jun 26 07:42:22 ~ask Jun 26 07:42:32 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jun 26 07:58:27 Morning, all Jun 26 07:58:50 hey Jaffa Jun 26 08:00:26 barisione: ping Jun 26 08:04:03 so it looks like my cheap azz tmobile prepaid voice-only plan lets me send picture messages. can i send binary files that way too, or does it go through jpeg munging in the network? Jun 26 08:24:23 SpeedEvil, ping? Jun 26 08:41:12 MohammadAG51, \o/ Jun 26 08:42:34 hi Jun 26 08:44:49 howdy Jun 26 08:45:40 aloha Jun 26 08:55:03 alterego, bored? Jun 26 08:56:08 Are you going to make me install Perl again? :P Jun 26 08:56:45 alterego, nah, just program that yes/no dialog and make a maemo-ask-dialog binary Jun 26 08:57:13 MohammadAG51: that DIvil was requesting? Jun 26 08:57:32 alterego, yes, NAO Jun 26 08:58:15 what's that command they use on gnome? Jun 26 08:58:25 alterego, err? Jun 26 08:58:37 ang on .. Jun 26 09:01:52 zenity, that's it Jun 26 09:01:54 we have to make Maemo Community license so Nokia can't use our programs =))) Jun 26 09:02:13 yours * Jun 26 09:02:26 as i'm not dev. i'm leech and loser ) Jun 26 09:02:46 ZogG I'd prefer it if you put a commercial clause in that just says you profit you pay me :) Jun 26 09:03:45 MohammadAG51: zenity, already in extras I believe. Jun 26 09:03:47 alterego, how much for an hour, you slutty whore Jun 26 09:04:07 alterego, but if your service is not worth it i wouldn't pay a penny Jun 26 09:04:07 MohammadAG51: command line program that shows dialogs and stuff. :) Jun 26 09:04:42 I was 50 pound an hour when I was employed :) Jun 26 09:05:15 alterego how much is your profit after pimp taxes? Jun 26 09:05:22 haha Jun 26 09:05:47 Heh, I'd have to ask my dealer Jun 26 09:06:26 alterego, you could write a better app, I want a working prototype in 10 minutes Jun 26 09:06:31 C only please Jun 26 09:06:52 Heh, what's wrong with zenity? Jun 26 09:07:17 And, you've not given me any meaningful specs :p Jun 26 09:07:23 alterego, depending on it for one theme is an overkill Jun 26 09:07:46 alterego, dialog with yes/no button, looks hildony, returns useful exit code Jun 26 09:07:57 alterego i want your programs for maemo in pure asm from now on Jun 26 09:08:19 zenity size: 122 Jun 26 09:08:53 You think that's overkill? Or are you asking me to write a binary blob people can just drop into their theme packages? Jun 26 09:09:22 yes, we want a blob Jun 26 09:09:26 blobs are cool =) Jun 26 09:10:09 alterego, nope, I' suggest a binary for maemo, put it on gitorious, we can have it in PR1. Jun 26 09:10:11 Seriously, zenity, it should be installed by default imo Jun 26 09:10:12 3 Jun 26 09:10:30 MohammadAG51 what are working on? Jun 26 09:11:23 ZogG, getting rid of alterego's boredom i guess Jun 26 09:11:35 yeah, but what program? Jun 26 09:11:43 not for me Jun 26 09:11:49 check D-vil's thread Jun 26 09:12:09 zenity allows you to make all sorts of dialogs to, calendar dialoga, ext entry dialogs, file selector, progress, list all sorts Jun 26 09:13:27 Though, zenity file and calendar dialogs are not touch optimized Jun 26 09:14:39 alterego, hmm, zenity looks cool tbh Jun 26 09:14:50 alterego, how do I check exit codes? :) Jun 26 09:15:21 MohammadAG51: exit code is in $? Jun 26 09:15:27 variable Jun 26 09:15:43 some invokations output data via stdout too. Jun 26 09:15:46 alterego, exit code as in what zenity returns Jun 26 09:16:19 Maybe porting zenity to maemo properly, or writing a Qt replacement for Maemo/MeeGo would be good though. Touch optimized. Jun 26 09:17:36 MohammadAG51: zenity --question "Are you well?"; echo $? Jun 26 09:17:46 0 means yes, 1 means no Jun 26 09:17:56 normal UNIX style exit codes. Jun 26 09:18:41 I know, I just don't know how to read those codes :P Jun 26 09:18:50 alterego, got easy-debian installed? Jun 26 09:19:15 Nope Jun 26 09:19:25 What codes? Jun 26 09:19:42 Would you like me to write you a little example script? Jun 26 09:19:53 Which uses the return value meaningfully? Jun 26 09:20:56 GTK2_RC_FILES='/usr/share/themes/MurrinaNightOrange/gtk-2.0/gtkrc' zenity --file-selection /root alterego try it :) Jun 26 09:21:24 the defualt hildon theme is so oversized Jun 26 09:21:49 So you want to use the file selector? Jun 26 09:22:01 Well, anything that outputs to the screen ... Jun 26 09:22:27 result=$(zenity --file-selection) Jun 26 09:22:44 cancelled=$? Jun 26 09:23:48 how can i change ip address of a connection and set default gw and dns server manually in my n900/maemo ? i did not find ifconfig and such this tool Jun 26 09:24:08 h0n3st: ifconfig is accessible as root Jun 26 09:24:16 gateway you use 'route' Jun 26 09:24:26 and dns well, you can edit /etc/resolv.conf Jun 26 09:25:11 alterego, i know it in my linux box. now i have access to root but i do not how Jun 26 09:26:26 h0n3st: it's Linux, Maemo is Linux, if you can do it on a Linux machine, you can do it on Maemo Jun 26 09:26:34 It's the same. you just need to be root on the N900 Jun 26 09:27:02 alterego, what is passwd of root in maemo? Jun 26 09:27:21 i installed xterm on and can access shell but can not su to root Jun 26 09:27:31 you need to install rootsh Jun 26 09:27:37 by default, root account's disabled Jun 26 09:27:49 h0n3st: you need to use gainroot, or do what I did and install openssh which allows you to set the root passwd Jun 26 09:27:52 ~gainroot Jun 26 09:27:54 * MohammadAG51 ponders if he should enable sudo su Jun 26 09:28:13 MohammadAG51: I use ssh for root access even locally for security reasons. Jun 26 09:28:32 nidO, ooom. tnx nidO tnx alterego Jun 26 09:28:42 alterego, lol Jun 26 09:28:42 As soo as you start pissing with sudo gainroot you open anyone who's familiar with the device to screw it up :) Jun 26 09:29:19 Admittedly, you don't actually even need root to screw the device cup, as someone found out by editing their ~/.profile? pahahah Jun 26 09:29:21 which they can happily do without root access anyway Jun 26 09:29:28 or just install rootsh themselves Jun 26 09:29:43 Yes, good point, that did not occur to me :) Jun 26 09:29:46 i use scp locally xD Jun 26 09:29:55 to show progress Jun 26 09:29:56 Heh Jun 26 09:31:10 I'm currently trying to wrap my head around GLES 2 and shaders :/ Jun 26 09:31:14 ~mohasnack Jun 26 09:35:45 whats with all the '#' in the ~/.profiled/custom.ini ? Jun 26 09:36:04 Trizt: '#' denotes a comment Jun 26 09:36:11 Free form text that is ignored by the past Jun 26 09:36:24 // in C Jun 26 09:37:37 And by past we all know I meant parser .. Jun 26 09:37:47 * alterego is still not awake Jun 26 09:40:24 it's just that my ~/.profiled/custom.ini seems to have 3000+ # in a row Jun 26 09:40:39 In a row or in a column? Jun 26 09:40:55 Some people use '#####################' ... To separate sections Jun 26 09:43:43 Oh, I see, that massive block at the bottom Jun 26 09:44:31 Trizt: I'd imagine in that case it is to keep the file at exactly 4096 bytes Jun 26 09:44:38 Otherwise known as 4k Jun 26 09:45:15 yes, but for what use? Jun 26 09:45:52 This is probably because some low level part needs to have access to the file, prior to the operating system booting and that filesystem being mounted Jun 26 09:46:01 But I can't tell you who or why :) Jun 26 09:46:11 reset Jun 26 09:46:54 * alterego console fail Jun 26 09:47:41 you shouldn't cat binary files Jun 26 09:48:15 Why not? Jun 26 09:48:24 I cat binary files all the time. Jun 26 09:48:50 Nothing wrong with using cat on binaries, just don't output it to the console. Jun 26 09:50:06 sorry for not being specific Jun 26 09:50:27 Or being in context, I'm not sure what you were getting at with that statement :P Jun 26 09:53:29 Ah, I think I understand all this shader business now .. Jun 26 09:53:34 Kind of makes sense .. Jun 26 09:54:45 to something completely different, I have managed to damage one of my keyboards keys surface, now instead of being black, it's illuminating the world like a lamp :( Jun 26 09:55:10 Aww Jun 26 10:05:03 Woop! I managed to display my first every triangle in OpenGL ES 2 :D Jun 26 10:05:13 73 lines of C code :S Jun 26 10:05:21 congrats Jun 26 10:06:19 Okay, next task will be, move shaders into external data files and create a handler for loading some 3D model format. Jun 26 10:06:55 Actually, I'm going to use my SRTM stuff. Jun 26 10:07:08 Then texture it with possibly open street map or google view. Jun 26 10:07:15 Google maps even .. Jun 26 10:07:47 Or, I could use the Nokia map tile server :) Jun 26 10:08:48 Then, I can take over the world! Jun 26 10:11:16 I was thinking yesterday, with the lack of apps in Ovi for Maemo, now is the best time to develop paid for apps. Jun 26 10:11:22 Because people will pay for your app :) Jun 26 10:11:48 I would ask the Great Leader for some advice how to do that, if I would be you ;) Jun 26 10:12:16 Well, I need to get a good idea first :) Jun 26 10:12:28 Something that wont take too long to develop but is worth it. Jun 26 10:12:44 I think he has some to share Jun 26 10:13:26 Well, I've got a few ideas I need to think more about Jun 26 10:13:39 Strobe app :P Jun 26 10:13:46 urgh Jun 26 10:13:54 Using the camera flash? Jun 26 10:14:12 n900 price drop \p/ Jun 26 10:14:20 alterego, yes :p Jun 26 10:14:28 controlable speed Jun 26 10:17:04 pupnik: buy me one! |p/ :D Jun 26 10:20:46 lol Jun 26 10:32:35 I like how my pictograph looks like it's looming over pupnik's :) Jun 26 10:35:26 Hehe, someone has got a picture of the N9 Jun 26 10:35:36 Oh really ... Jun 26 10:35:40 link? Jun 26 10:35:40 Looks nice. Four row keyboard is there. Jun 26 10:35:50 It appears to be running Symbian though =) Jun 26 10:35:55 Hahah Jun 26 10:36:50 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/25/nokia-n9-or-something-in-the-wild-8-megapixel-camera-america/ Jun 26 10:37:43 This is just scary: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10267 Jun 26 10:37:44 Bug 10267: Sometimes when I remove an application a random one gets downloaded and installed automatically Jun 26 10:37:57 crashanddie: bullshit Jun 26 10:38:51 RST38h: yes master, sorry master, do you need me to do anything master, want me to shut up master? Jun 26 10:39:03 RST38h: oh, and by the way, piss off? :D Jun 26 10:39:17 crashanddie: haven't decided yet, stand by. Jun 26 10:41:00 engadget seems to think it's C series Jun 26 10:41:10 Because it has a C0 on it :P Jun 26 10:42:23 which sounds like a good logical conclusion Jun 26 10:43:05 Heh Jun 26 10:43:25 What is the purpse of the 'C' class of devices anyway? Jun 26 10:43:53 Crappy Jun 26 10:44:10 Did they ever release a rationale of what N S C etc really mean? Jun 26 10:44:21 18+ i'm afraid Jun 26 10:44:22 like targetted audience etc? Jun 26 10:44:45 So you've not seen it then: :P Jun 26 10:45:27 seen what? Jun 26 10:46:55 6ou said it was 18+ :P Jun 26 10:47:03 why do maemo.org problems always pop up when X-Fade's away Jun 26 10:47:20 alterego, NSC, yeah Jun 26 10:47:44 Oh, heh Jun 26 10:48:05 * MohammadAG51 thinks of a neat trick Jun 26 10:48:31 maemo-optify-deb $(CURDIR)/../somefile.deb Jun 26 10:48:35 i wonder if it'd work Jun 26 10:49:05 quite ironic http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/perl/5.8.3-3osso11+0m5/ Jun 26 10:50:35 yeah there's a circular dependency in perl/perl-modules Jun 26 10:51:07 no, the package is actually missing Jun 26 10:52:37 MohammadAG51: afaik perl-modules is provided by the perl source package Jun 26 10:52:48 i know Corsac Jun 26 10:52:58 Corsac, http://maemo.org/packages/view/perl-modules/ Jun 26 10:53:36 Corsac, i uploaded the package, and I'm not the maintainer Jun 26 11:03:28 okay, who said that all N900 boxes are the same... Jun 26 11:03:38 ... cause they aren't :) Jun 26 11:12:20 how many variants you know of? Jun 26 11:13:24 i've seen about 6 different boxes on the interwebz Jun 26 11:14:26 where are the differences? Jun 26 11:14:29 I've seen only two Jun 26 11:14:50 US box has manufacture date, UK box doesn't Jun 26 11:15:01 US box doesn't have the 2mm to usb adapter Jun 26 11:15:10 there's a very fancy one which was given to critics or something.. was the opening of n900, and you had to hook it up to a computer, ssh in and answer a question Jun 26 11:15:26 hacker's edition i think Jun 26 11:16:36 I guess mine would have been the US edition, it doesn't have that 2mm to USB (which was what I saw in that deboxing of a fancy n900) I want that lol Jun 26 11:17:09 a heater's better Jun 26 11:18:26 heater? what you cold? Jun 26 11:18:50 lol the 2mm-usb adapter melts sometimes Jun 26 11:19:23 Hi, I want to mount my build in memory on n900 with Linux, but all what I can see is sdb1 which is memory card (not build in 32G memory). How can I mount it? Jun 26 11:19:26 MohammadAG51: well, for starters the complete back side (terms & conditions) is different :) Jun 26 11:19:52 achipa, which reminds me, I saw a "this is an ovi services device" box the other day Jun 26 11:20:07 MohammadAG51: my DDP box has that. The US box doesn't Jun 26 11:20:16 DDP? Jun 26 11:20:31 developer device program Jun 26 11:20:45 fancy acronyms Jun 26 11:20:58 fancy THREE LETTER acronyms :P Jun 26 11:21:14 anyway, the DDP box seems to be the same as that of the Amsterdam loaners Jun 26 11:21:48 (and retail boxes in Serbia) Jun 26 11:22:27 yup mine has the same message printed clearly on the box "this is an ovi services device" printed on the bottom of the box Jun 26 11:23:43 2nd last line from the bottom lol and it also says,"Registration via SMS required. Operator fees, Ovi Service Terms and Privacy Policy apply. www.ovi.com." Jun 26 11:23:59 psycho_oreos: what country is the box from ? Jun 26 11:24:21 achipa, I got it from AU, but guessing by what MohammadAG51 said, I guess it would have been US box Jun 26 11:24:31 i guess it's a post PR1.2 thing Jun 26 11:24:44 mine wasn't shipped with PR1.2 Jun 26 11:24:56 hum Jun 26 11:25:03 my US box has three large columns of text on the back Jun 26 11:25:06 was something like 1.1.1 or something Jun 26 11:25:11 English, Spanish and French Jun 26 11:25:23 (top aligned) Jun 26 11:25:34 mine only has English, and two paragraphs of disclaimer.. bottom aligned Jun 26 11:25:37 does it have the date? Jun 26 11:25:45 not on the bottom of the box no Jun 26 11:25:49 mine has 47/2009, week 47 year 2009 Jun 26 11:26:00 MohammadAG51: where should the date be ? Jun 26 11:26:24 one of the sides Jun 26 11:26:33 iirc Jun 26 11:26:52 psycho_oreos: does yours have a clause on the FM transmitter ? Jun 26 11:27:04 mine doesn't have any date printed on the outside of the box Jun 26 11:27:43 MohammadAG51: uhm, not that I can see... one side is missing, though, likely because of a rebate Jun 26 11:27:44 achipa, nope, it has A-tick sticker beside the barcodes (where it details the MAC address, etc) Jun 26 11:30:03 "N342 The A-Tick shows this phone complies with all current ACMA standards, including for exposure to radio frequency energy. more information is the inside this package or at www.amta.org.au/sar" Jun 26 11:30:32 AU and HK had different launch dates from EU and NA, so are likely to be localized Jun 26 11:30:49 psycho_oreos: yep, that's an Aussie box, not US Jun 26 11:31:02 achipa, gay lol, yet again, unique :) Jun 26 11:31:30 yeah I figured launch dates for AU is always far behind EU and NA, it always has been Jun 26 11:32:29 * psycho_oreos was a little irritated that his didn't come with CA-146C which doesn't require a separate car charger Jun 26 11:33:31 Still, funny to see the NA box missing the Ovi clause. I wonder if they are part of the MyNokia operation at all Jun 26 11:33:51 psycho_oreos: yep, a useful critter, that one Jun 26 11:34:27 mine has that message but I was lucky to not to be forced to sign up to mynokia, me old lady's phone tries to sign her up when I tried setting it up Jun 26 11:34:47 achipa, hell yeah when your previous phone was n95-1 (lol horrid version I had) Jun 26 11:37:25 alterego: wait for meego device, then decide Jun 26 11:39:38 Not really one for capacitive tbh .. Jun 26 11:58:11 Woo, my first smooth coloured GLES polygon ... Jun 26 11:59:01 That looks pretty Jun 26 11:59:12 I remember doing something similar in OpenGL 1.1 back in the day ... Jun 26 12:00:17 Sooo, now what ... Jun 26 12:00:22 Lighting .. Jun 26 12:15:24 how to use scim to input pinyin Jun 26 12:16:24 i tried ctr space not works, help Jun 26 12:26:30 wb everyone lol Jun 26 12:28:05 Heh Jun 26 12:28:38 #maemo felt weird with only 17 users in it :P Jun 26 12:29:49 * ZogG hugs MohammadAG51 Jun 26 12:30:11 MohammadAG51 you went to split we staied here Jun 26 12:30:22 you are loser Jun 26 12:30:23 where i can download maemo packages for using offline Jun 26 12:33:10 aretrfre34: "http://repository.maemo.org/" Jun 26 12:36:50 i meant disk image or torrent, it isn't handy to download manually Jun 26 12:37:51 ok may be this one http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.19-1_armel.tgz Jun 26 12:40:03 nope i don't need sdk, i need iso or something Jun 26 12:40:43 like in ubuntu i have live cd, should be same Jun 26 12:46:03 !infobot Jun 26 12:46:12 infobot: hi Jun 26 12:46:14 hello, aretrfre34 Jun 26 12:46:23 infobot: how to Jun 26 12:46:52 infobot: wayttd Jun 26 12:46:53 What Are You Trying To Do? Jun 26 12:47:05 infobot: help Jun 26 12:47:13 aretrfre34: Equivalent would be official flashable Maemo image from Nokia... Jun 26 12:47:16 infobot: help me! Jun 26 12:47:41 Ehm.... maemo doesn't have 'patch' ? Jun 26 12:48:07 it's probably in the sdk Jun 26 12:48:18 pahartik:where is it? Jun 26 12:48:36 tablets-dev.nokia.com Jun 26 12:48:37 iirc Jun 26 12:48:55 la la la Jun 26 12:49:36 aretrfre34: "http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/" Jun 26 12:52:02 thank you guys! Jun 26 12:53:19 is it normal to have "restore applications" as an option in the app manager or is it supposed to go away after you finish restoring all the apps Jun 26 13:03:34 * pahartik wonders whether "keyboard panel" of "osso-xterm" is configurable at all anymore Jun 26 13:04:39 any ideas peepe There is a problem with the configuration server (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check2 exited with status 256) ? Jun 26 13:06:06 Stskeeps: aha, just noticed, but you're still in the configure summary of unrealircd Jun 26 13:06:28 hello Jun 26 13:16:59 anyone here who have used CMulticalendar::getEventInList and can explain to me what the vector vcallid are for? Jun 26 13:21:31 Great, for some reason my service isn't auto starting on startup .. Jun 26 13:21:47 It's been working fine until this last update and I've not changed the upstart script :( Jun 26 13:22:09 that should teach you not to argue about installing perl Jun 26 13:22:37 debugging upstart scripts is a pain in the ass because you have to keep restarting the f*cking device :( Jun 26 13:22:56 debugging my ubuntu image isn't better... Jun 26 13:23:19 I have to shut down, boot maemo, change something, shutdown maemo, then boot ubuntu again Jun 26 13:23:41 Nice Jun 26 13:23:47 not really lol Jun 26 13:23:59 :) get a better dev environment :P Jun 26 13:24:02 I got the touchscreen working Jun 26 13:24:10 but it's flipped Jun 26 13:24:12 Why don't you use the N900 emulator? Jun 26 13:24:25 i.e touching the top part moves the mouse to the bottom of the screen Jun 26 13:24:30 Hah Jun 26 13:24:31 what N900 emulator... Jun 26 13:24:34 gutted Jun 26 13:24:47 The same N900 emulater you use to boot the meego 1.0 image. Jun 26 13:24:48 that's not a problem, I can calibrate the screen I suppose Jun 26 13:24:57 huh? Jun 26 13:24:59 I actually got it to boot PR1.2 Jun 26 13:25:14 Well, I got as far as the moving 5 dots Jun 26 13:25:21 lol Jun 26 13:25:23 And then a load of init output and it died Jun 26 13:25:30 Probably bme related Jun 26 13:25:32 I still don't get what emulator you're referring to Jun 26 13:25:42 It's qemu, but with a specific N900 target Jun 26 13:25:57 figures, how do I get it? Jun 26 13:25:58 You can get it from the gitorious, I had to compile it but it went pretty smoothly and worked great. Jun 26 13:26:04 hmm Jun 26 13:26:18 There is a problem with the configuration server (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check2 exited with status 256) <-- I guess you don't know how to fix that right? :D Jun 26 13:26:31 http://meego.gitorious.org/qemu-maemo?page=9 Jun 26 13:26:55 Nope, that could mean anything from my opinion :P Jun 26 13:27:15 grr, googling doesn't help Jun 26 13:28:21 google is evil Jun 26 13:31:50 I really don't have time to get this to work either ... Jun 26 13:31:57 Got to have a shower and get ready to go out. Jun 26 13:32:36 with chicks? Jun 26 13:32:45 >.< Jun 26 13:34:47 Last try, if this doesn't work I'm going to cry Jun 26 13:37:00 * Psi waits for openoffice to load so he can see if printing now works Jun 26 13:38:25 hi, I wanted to download virual machine sdk desktop image but there is only server image, where can I get the desktop one? Jun 26 13:39:04 oh, wow, that is the most awesome thing ever. Just setup printer and printed a document over wifi to network printer from openoffice on n900 Jun 26 13:40:22 easy-debian? Jun 26 13:41:37 yeah, easy-debian chroot + apt-get install cupsys cupsys-client + http://localhost:631 + select printer from list (it already polled network and found the name) + supply ppd file = AWESOME Jun 26 13:42:27 your printer doesn't accept pdf files? Jun 26 13:42:31 much easier that way Jun 26 13:43:00 it might do, dunno Jun 26 13:43:23 kyocera mita fs-1900 Jun 26 13:43:34 * h0n3st is back (gone 00:50:20) Jun 26 13:43:37 * h0n3st is away: I'm busy Jun 26 13:46:08 new ones have web interfaces where you can upload pdfs and xps and stuff Jun 26 13:48:47 ah Jun 26 13:49:09 i think you might be able to email it pdfs but ive never looked at that side of it Jun 26 13:51:04 does solve the whole printer driver and mobile device problem, so it'll be everywhere soon Jun 26 13:51:35 yeah Jun 26 13:53:41 F*** YES! Jun 26 13:53:57 ubuntu running in R&D mode Jun 26 13:55:52 Clock works too :D Jun 26 13:58:55 so you turned a n900 to a clock? Jun 26 13:58:57 nice Jun 26 14:07:48 Appiah, lol screw you Jun 26 14:14:16 any advice on making a car radio tune to my n900? Jun 26 14:15:22 it can't be manually tuned, and when aiuto-tuning, it pauses briefly on my frequency and then moves on Jun 26 14:16:14 MohammadAG: :) Jun 26 14:16:22 BCMM: try fm boost. Jun 26 14:16:31 BCMM: http://themeegoblog.com/2010/01/07/how-to-boost-the-performance-of-the-fm-transmitter-on-your-n900/ Jun 26 14:16:34 that helped for me Jun 26 14:19:43 anyone knows where I can get desktop vmware SDK images? Jun 26 14:19:50 Jartza: it works only on us version of the phone Jun 26 14:20:00 Jartza: eu is on highest power setting anyways Jun 26 14:20:05 not true Jun 26 14:20:15 I'm in finland and I can Really Tell The Difference Jun 26 14:20:21 bullshit Jun 26 14:20:27 RTFM Jun 26 14:20:33 my home stereo will hiss and rattle without running fm boost Jun 26 14:20:42 my car radio wont tune to station without fm boost Jun 26 14:20:53 "bullshit" - thanks :) Jun 26 14:20:54 i'm using fm boost Jun 26 14:21:26 I guess I'm just deaf then :( Jun 26 14:21:27 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level Jun 26 14:21:29 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level Jun 26 14:21:31 do that Jun 26 14:21:37 that shows current power level Jun 26 14:21:48 and fm-boost is just doing echo 118> /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level Jun 26 14:22:42 is the "Swipe to Unlock" screen part of hildon or a seperate program? Jun 26 14:23:22 and all versions except HK and US have that at max already Jun 26 14:24:55 it sais 98 Jun 26 14:25:01 not 118 Jun 26 14:25:14 and this phone is bought from finland around 3 weeks ago Jun 26 14:26:32 I'm still trusting my ears and my experiences with the fm transmitter Jun 26 14:27:51 hmm. Jun 26 14:28:01 now it's 113 when I'm actually playing something Jun 26 14:28:03 but still not 118 Jun 26 14:34:09 i think 113 is what you normally get if you have no cables attached Jun 26 14:34:31 fm-boost should raise it to 118 Jun 26 14:34:43 ~seen noobmonk3y Jun 26 14:34:46 noobmonk3y <~c2b06924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.176.105.36> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16d 2h 32m 48s ago, saying: 'its an app that needs to be used after you've screwed up your n900 normally'. Jun 26 14:34:59 Grrr Jun 26 14:35:11 Seems there's a bug in our upstart .. Jun 26 14:35:17 Starting/stopping fm transmitter, plugging or unplugging cables will reset any changes fmboost does Jun 26 14:36:20 yeah, I use qwerty12's 'mod' so that everytime I start the transmitter fm-boost is run Jun 26 14:36:57 any gnome techies here? need to run an app at login Jun 26 14:37:01 ShadowJK: I seem to get 113 with or without power adapter. Jun 26 14:37:05 it doesn't seem to change Jun 26 14:37:20 and fm boost raises it to 118. of course that can be done manually too, up to 120. Jun 26 14:38:51 MohammadAG: ubuntu? Jun 26 14:39:04 alterego, yes, gnome-terminal Jun 26 14:39:14 need to start it at login Jun 26 14:39:17 MohammadAG: System->Preferences->Startup Applications Jun 26 14:39:35 alterego, lol can't use the UI, screen not calibrated Jun 26 14:39:42 Heh Jun 26 14:39:53 Erm, probably in gconf hang on ;) Jun 26 14:40:41 Or you could use your .xinitrc? Jun 26 14:41:40 hmm Jun 26 14:41:45 and now it's again 88 Jun 26 14:42:01 I have power cable plugged in, and I did disable/enable fm-transmitter Jun 26 14:42:05 and it started with 88 Jun 26 14:42:25 alterego, err? Jun 26 14:44:02 MohammadAG: nvm not sure Jun 26 14:44:19 lol Jun 26 14:44:30 I wonder what file ts_calibrate edits Jun 26 14:45:13 Apparently, ~/.gnome2/session-manual Jun 26 14:46:22 MAybe look into ~/.config/autostart ? Jun 26 14:46:51 Yeah, that's what you want :) Jun 26 14:53:00 MohammadAG: that's for time Jun 26 14:53:24 MohammadAG: if you play around with it it will be regenrated sooner or later Jun 26 14:53:42 MohammadAG: but until it's regenrated your time will be off Jun 26 14:54:09 or it was tz_calibrate Jun 26 14:57:55 Yay, got it to work finally :) Jun 26 14:58:19 Seems to be some stupid race condition with pymaemo-optify and upstart :( Jun 26 14:59:53 what can i use to record sound in maemo? Jun 26 15:01:15 jacekowski, ts_calibrate, it's for calibrating the screen Jun 26 15:20:43 hi all Jun 26 15:26:09 Venemo, Hi Jun 26 15:31:20 hey dotblank! :) Jun 26 15:31:27 I see you've updated your app Jun 26 15:31:45 it is good that it now has a desktop icon Jun 26 15:32:15 yup :) is there a way to make it appear in the app manager? Jun 26 15:32:22 liek the other applications do? Jun 26 15:32:27 Hey Venemo Jun 26 15:32:45 hey eitama! Jun 26 15:32:56 dotblank why, it doesn't appear? Jun 26 15:33:23 Venemo, well the icon doesn't, but it is listed Jun 26 15:33:36 dotblank, encode it Jun 26 15:33:56 MohammadAG, to what? Jun 26 15:34:04 uuencode -m icon.png icon.base64 Jun 26 15:34:20 dotblank, http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package Jun 26 15:34:35 MohammadAG, oh nice!, thank you Jun 26 15:34:49 yw :) Jun 26 15:37:33 how do I know what node (in /dev) my mouse is using? Jun 26 15:37:59 oh nvm, dmesg helped Jun 26 15:38:57 re Jun 26 15:39:10 sorry, my machine freezed... :D Jun 26 15:39:29 Your apologies are accepted. Jun 26 15:39:31 :P Jun 26 15:40:04 I dont know, I'll have to think about that ptl Jun 26 15:40:06 :_ Jun 26 15:42:48 #ubuntu is a waste of freenode load Jun 26 15:43:01 dotblak: so, your app doesn't show up in the app manager? Jun 26 15:43:29 to show in the app manager it must be in the user/ section Jun 26 15:43:51 btw Jun 26 15:44:41 my app is displayed in the app manager, but it doesn't appear in the desktop category Jun 26 15:44:51 here is the control file: Jun 26 15:44:51 http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/eve-watcher/trunk/poc/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/debian/control Jun 26 15:45:31 it is set to user/Desktop Jun 26 15:45:35 what's the issue? Jun 26 15:45:51 I dunno :( Jun 26 15:45:52 http://maemo.org/packages/view/sticky-notes/ Jun 26 15:46:01 it is listed in "other" in the app manager Jun 26 15:46:18 the other issue is that the changelog is misinterpreted Jun 26 15:46:31 http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/eve-watcher/trunk/poc/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/debian/changelog Jun 26 15:46:49 the dates in the package details page are wrong Jun 26 15:46:56 have you tried user/desktop instead of user/Desktop ? Jun 26 15:47:05 ptl: not yet Jun 26 15:47:09 ptl: good idea, however Jun 26 15:47:33 I've seen some widgets using apt-cache show here and they all show user/desktop in all lowercase Jun 26 15:47:55 mhm Jun 26 15:47:57 okay :) Jun 26 15:48:03 ptl: thanks :) Jun 26 15:48:13 ptl: do you have an idea for the changelog, too? Jun 26 15:48:23 it is set to user/Desktop Jun 26 15:48:26 it's user/desktop Jun 26 15:48:31 bah, ptl beat me to it Jun 26 15:48:48 lemme see the changelog Jun 26 15:49:09 Venemo, its shows in app manager just no icon but that will be fixed soon Jun 26 15:49:24 Venemo, why isn't there an i386 build? Jun 26 15:49:49 MohammadAG: I don't know how to create one Jun 26 15:49:55 I dunno Jun 26 15:50:28 Venemo, debian/control, arch is set to armel only Jun 26 15:50:42 set it to all and an X86 version should be built Jun 26 15:50:58 MohammadAG: yes, the people in here told that I should set it to arm Jun 26 15:51:06 MohammadAG: what is the correct value I should set it to? Jun 26 15:51:16 Venemo, silly people! Jun 26 15:51:47 dotblank: lol :D Jun 26 15:52:27 whens is the first arm mego device thats not a phone coming out Jun 26 15:53:03 Venemo, why did they tell you that? Jun 26 15:53:10 did it fail on X86? Jun 26 15:53:19 oh and brb, going into Ubuntu Jun 26 15:53:27 i want so much to upgrade from my n810 Jun 26 15:53:31 moo Jun 26 15:53:56 MohammadAG: no, it didn't fail. They just told I should set it to "arm" (by default it was "any"), and I believed them Jun 26 15:54:07 smackpotat: Q3, it will be a chinese iPad-like called NPad Jun 26 15:54:15 smackpotat: search for it on tmo and you'll find Jun 26 15:54:26 thanks Jun 26 15:55:24 tmo? Jun 26 15:55:28 did anyone try the new version of mycontact? The version which assigns custom ringtones to groups and contacts? Jun 26 15:55:36 smackpotat: tmo == talk.maemo.org Jun 26 15:55:37 smackpotat: there are rumours about a Nokia-branded one, but no proof as of now Jun 26 15:55:54 who knew Jun 26 16:09:19 I got a problem since installing fmms. I wrote about it here two days ago but had to quit and have since then been flashing my N900 and re-installed fmms, but the problem reoccurred. I cannot visit web pages. Jun 26 16:11:20 I donĀ“t know if it is my provider who sends the following web page message: "Error: Requested content 'webpage' cannot be accessed. You do not have access to the site." Jun 26 16:11:50 but i guess it is. Jun 26 16:13:31 I can send and recieve mms, chat through gtalk,facebook, irc, listen to web radio and so on. Jun 26 16:16:51 MyContacts really works. Cool. Jun 26 16:22:07 How can a toggle numlock? I want to type numbers without having to press the arrow key everytime Jun 26 16:22:24 press blue thrice Jun 26 16:22:30 or is it twice Jun 26 16:22:32 it's twice Jun 26 16:23:04 ahh cool Jun 26 16:23:22 is there a guide on using the keyboard more efficiently that you might know of? Jun 26 16:23:55 nope. Jun 26 16:24:05 I find pressing the keys with my thumbs works. Jun 26 16:24:30 GAN900 needs to publish a speed-typing-course. Jun 26 16:24:53 Practice, practice, practice! Jun 26 16:25:22 yeah. Jun 26 16:25:23 I meant more of like shortcuts a stuff that toggle different function on the keyboard Jun 26 16:25:44 When my laptop died for a week, I went from maybe 15->30wpm Jun 26 16:27:57 GAN900 is outstanding, no practice will bring you into his league Jun 26 16:28:33 heh I'm on 58WPM XD Jun 26 16:29:20 i am to as i us nly max thre chr wrds, thts isy Jun 26 16:29:58 do TLA's count as 3 words? :-P Jun 26 16:30:24 No Jun 26 16:30:27 xP Jun 26 16:31:07 DocScrutinizer, http://www.typingtest.com/ pick 1 min, test instructions, works on the N900, I got 58 adjusted Jun 26 16:31:34 Tweaker + Alarmed is perfect Jun 26 16:31:42 yeah Jun 26 16:32:13 alarmed is great. Can you delete templates though? or alarms? Jun 26 16:33:01 ptl: with mycontacts are still able to the name next to the picture (normal contact app) or is it the picture only (as like in the screenshot) Jun 26 16:34:54 only 20wpm here - but I need to cut my nails. Jun 26 16:36:26 I'd bet GAN900 has 200WPM Jun 26 16:36:42 62/4 :P Jun 26 16:37:02 at least that's what he got when I 'challenged' him Jun 26 16:37:16 Also - my typing is faster when I haven't spent 4 hours shredding branches Jun 26 16:37:41 lol Jun 26 16:37:58 my typing will speed up with a nice coffee... so bbiam Jun 26 16:42:30 btw bme seems to do quite some weird stuff (like reducing bat reg volt by 60mV), but nothing really smart or complex. I.E it doesn't detect end of charge by monitoring bq27200, instead it floats forever when you keep screen on during charging Jun 26 16:42:51 Does anyone know how to log SMS strings with dbus-scripts? Jun 26 16:43:09 There was an old message from Matan saying he'd implement it but I didn't see how (yet). Jun 26 16:46:24 How do you add Conky to the desktop on n900? Jun 26 16:46:30 I have Conky installed as an app. Jun 26 16:47:48 ptl: ping Jun 26 16:48:12 marcus, maybe you must add it to you desktop Jun 26 16:48:36 strohi: Could not see it in Widgets. Jun 26 16:48:51 pyther: pong --- as far as I know, you can show text-only contacts too, but I have not explored it that much Jun 26 16:49:13 pyther: I am trying now to find out how to get SMS messages with dbus-scripts, if possible at all Jun 26 16:49:52 k Jun 26 16:49:53 ahh ok, cool thanks, the group feature can be really useful to me Jun 26 16:50:39 ptl, yes, it is possible. Jun 26 16:51:04 alterego: how? the dbusscript wiki page says it doesn't handle complex types (arrays, which is the SMS message) yet Jun 26 16:51:41 but on the other hand there are posts from Matan in May where he says he'll do it Jun 26 16:51:54 Use python Jun 26 16:52:02 Or something else. Jun 26 16:52:05 with dbus-scripts? Jun 26 16:52:42 I don't know what dbus-scripts is. Some dbus-send/monitor shell script support? Jun 26 16:52:49 yes Jun 26 16:52:52 exactly. Jun 26 16:53:00 friggin useful Jun 26 16:53:29 !op Jun 26 16:53:31 Interesting, well, I'd still do it in Python. Jun 26 16:55:06 dbus signal processing requires a main loop, it's pretty hard to do that in pure sh ... Jun 26 16:55:24 DocScrutinizer: have you worked out as yet why bme is polling at 1hz when charging? Jun 26 16:55:42 no idea Jun 26 16:55:46 SpeedEvil, probably status info? Jun 26 16:56:07 the battery may explode when you overcharge it one second too long :P Jun 26 16:56:17 marcus: install Sticky Notes instead Jun 26 16:56:48 cehteh: won't happen though, as bq24150 doesn't overcharge the cell Jun 26 16:57:01 Venemo: For watching system info? Jun 26 16:57:35 well dunno .. maybe ask nokia for the source .... Jun 26 16:57:46 really some things are just unnecesary stupid Jun 26 16:57:53 marcus: huh, sorry... I mi-interpreted it for Conboy... or whatever Jun 26 16:58:06 cehteh: been there, done that. No progress Jun 26 16:58:16 how predictable :P Jun 26 16:58:45 Venemo: Aha (: Jun 26 16:59:13 what controls the screen brightness btw? dsme? Jun 26 16:59:40 mce? Jun 26 16:59:55 dunno Jun 26 17:00:08 but i am bit annoyed that this isnt open source Jun 26 17:00:41 cehteh: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"unlocked" Jun 26 17:00:47 some adaptive algorithm which learns by users hints would be cool and not really hard to do Jun 26 17:01:01 What does Autolock do? Is it like after 5min (user defined) then it locks and you have to use the PIN code? Jun 26 17:01:09 Or is it a custom code? Jun 26 17:01:10 is there a way to tell how many times have my app been downloaded? Jun 26 17:01:28 custom code Jun 26 17:01:48 DocScrutinizer: Okay, thanks! Jun 26 17:01:59 What is current lock code then? Jun 26 17:02:04 12345 Jun 26 17:02:13 Aha, a five-digit code. Jun 26 17:02:20 any length Jun 26 17:02:26 marcus: every Nokia device's default code is 12345 Jun 26 17:02:26 Venemo once it's in extras yeah, it's on the product page. Jun 26 17:02:27 Oh (: Jun 26 17:02:27 12345 is just the factory default Jun 26 17:02:30 you can change it Jun 26 17:02:38 You guys find it usefull? The lock Jun 26 17:02:41 alterego: but no way from devel? okay :) Jun 26 17:02:46 no Jun 26 17:02:51 neah, not from devel. Jun 26 17:03:00 alterego: btw, I added yo to the credits section of the sticky notes thread Jun 26 17:03:17 marcus: YMMV Jun 26 17:03:18 alterego: your idea works brilliantly in there :) Jun 26 17:03:19 i set mine to 1 hour just i case i really leave the device laying around Jun 26 17:03:38 some better locking ting would make it more useful Jun 26 17:03:45 Yeah. Jun 26 17:03:52 aka when moving (accel) then dont lock it Jun 26 17:04:02 marcus: be aware there is NO way to recover from a forgotten lockcode, other than Nokia care center Jun 26 17:04:11 when in reach of home wlan (or by gps position) then dont lock it either Jun 26 17:04:28 but lock it when laying still away from home Jun 26 17:04:58 DocScrutinizer: not really, its stored on the emmc and i had some bricking which erased the code Jun 26 17:05:15 duh, that's new Jun 26 17:05:20 cehteh: OMG! Jun 26 17:05:26 dunno where its stored but i dont think its pretty secure Jun 26 17:05:43 well plain reflashing will ask for the code or? Jun 26 17:05:56 cehteh: you should report this as a bug if it is really true Jun 26 17:06:22 Venemo: i cant reproduce it to be sure enough, but i am quite sure that it happend to me Jun 26 17:06:35 cehteh: still, it is a bug. Jun 26 17:06:46 i dont care .. i am rather considering to use a encrypted FS Jun 26 17:06:47 cehteh: can't reproduce?? Jun 26 17:07:14 this device has no much security, take it Jun 26 17:07:41 remember yesterday i found an email inbox from some other person on my device (backup) Jun 26 17:07:59 cehteh: omg. Jun 26 17:08:07 the first device i bought was from amazon warehouse deals... that was the former owners email inbox Jun 26 17:08:09 modest cache Jun 26 17:08:18 he delteted everything .. at least he thought Jun 26 17:08:37 cehteh: lol Jun 26 17:08:39 this device has better security than anything else I found for mobile equipment so far (except of password generating dongles :-P) Jun 26 17:08:45 well when i send it back i really wiped the emmc Jun 26 17:09:06 DocScrutinizer: yeah but still there are some things which are still not optimal Jun 26 17:09:43 has the power-kernel dmcrypt support? Jun 26 17:09:49 maybe i shall try that Jun 26 17:10:08 X-Fade: there? Jun 26 17:10:18 but still feeding the key and retaining it for use is still some usability problem Jun 26 17:10:32 so i dont consider such a device really secure Jun 26 17:11:37 if you encrypt the FS then you want that someone who steals it has no access to it .. but you dont want to type in a 15 char passphrase every time you use it Jun 26 17:12:01 cehteh: then what is your proposed solution? Jun 26 17:12:14 dont store confidental things on the device Jun 26 17:12:21 cehteh: agreed Jun 26 17:12:29 causual things may be hidden well enough Jun 26 17:12:34 _If_ Flash 10.1 would come to n900, would that "require" a pr1.3? Jun 26 17:12:40 Or a simple update? Jun 26 17:12:46 marcus: simple update Jun 26 17:12:55 ^ Jun 26 17:12:57 Venemo: Good. Jun 26 17:12:57 I think Jun 26 17:13:06 unless MicroB needs some changes Jun 26 17:13:12 marcus: but for what we know about Nokia, they would release it in a new PR, anyways Jun 26 17:13:18 But that could be shipped as PR1.2.1 Jun 26 17:13:27 well maybe flash 10.1 comes to fennec earlier .. then its a simple update Jun 26 17:13:28 GAN900: agreed Jun 26 17:13:30 Venemo: Exactly. Jun 26 17:14:16 hey and today i experienced the great new firefox tech .. plugins in processes Jun 26 17:14:27 neat thing .. browser crashes, plugins stay running" Jun 26 17:15:03 cehteh: lol Jun 26 17:16:14 cehteh: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-06-18.log.html#t2010-06-18T22:52:09 Jun 26 17:16:43 btw anyone of you using the power-kernel and maep? .. i get reproducible crashes (kernel) even without overclocking and all default Jun 26 17:17:45 DocScrutinizer? Jun 26 17:18:01 ah ok Jun 26 17:18:11 cehteh: Kw did a fully encrypted secure system Jun 26 17:18:32 DocScrutinizer: my point is usability, not technical possibility Jun 26 17:18:47 and seems it's not even noticeably slower Jun 26 17:19:15 cehteh: where is the usability problem? Jun 26 17:19:26 i have most computers encrypted now there is no big performance penality Jun 26 17:19:37 (mostly not noticeable) Jun 26 17:20:01 with a underpowered processor and not enough ram for much caching like the n900 this might be little diffent but may work still Jun 26 17:20:22 cehteh: anyways, what is your job that you have to store such sensitive information? Jun 26 17:20:24 DocScrutinizer: i want to protect the device against someone stealing it and has access to my data Jun 26 17:20:32 cehteh: or just good ol' paranoia? Jun 26 17:20:35 that's the plan Jun 26 17:20:41 and Kw did it Jun 26 17:21:01 so again Jun 26 17:21:03 cehteh: where is the usability problem? Jun 26 17:21:06 but since this device is always on someone stealing it has instant access unless i add the password check and locking there Jun 26 17:21:28 but then locking and unlocking with a PW isnt comfortable Jun 26 17:21:48 and next you have to unlock it often in public places where one can spy the pw Jun 26 17:22:17 cehteh: someone is working on securing by face-detection Jun 26 17:22:23 cehteh: shut down the device when treated in any way other than the one "secret" correct one, when unlocking the screen Jun 26 17:22:45 to complicated (and easy to cheat unless you have *very* sophisticated algortihms) Jun 26 17:22:58 nonsense Jun 26 17:23:15 DocScrutinizer: i meant Venemo about face recognition Jun 26 17:23:21 aah Jun 26 17:23:22 the shutdown may work Jun 26 17:23:44 but still not protection against directed attacks where someone spies you how to unlock it Jun 26 17:24:26 and still you do some slip when you are in a rush and have to check the train and miss it because your phone just shut down and you have to reboot Jun 26 17:24:38 thats still a usability problem Jun 26 17:25:09 no i dont have a solution to it, but i want to point out that technical a lot things are possible but they all have some cost Jun 26 17:25:14 cehteh: the trick is to have absolutely naturally looking unlock 'secret'. lile e.g. holding and moving the device in a certain way. or clicking on the first "y" char on screen Jun 26 17:26:02 or pretending unlock, but expecting a certain delayed action like starting a certain app for first user inteaction "after" unlocking Jun 26 17:26:03 DocScrutinizer: yes .. but imagine you are in a train (which vibrates and accelerates or whatever) then this holding/moving may fail Jun 26 17:26:24 there are clever ways .. click on the pets you know or whatever Jun 26 17:26:47 still *any* such thing buys from the usability in one or another way Jun 26 17:27:02 the delayed action two-step unlock is a very secure approach Jun 26 17:27:10 some may be easy or acceptable, but nothing comes free Jun 26 17:28:29 cehteh: there's no devices yet with built-in micro-DNA-analysis via device's surface, that can tell for sure it's you without bothering you to care about authentication at all Jun 26 17:29:31 does anyone has a python function that correctly converts the array received from DBUS's SMS intercept to a string? Jun 26 17:29:35 cehteh: so yes, authentication for security comes at the axpense of some sort of... authentication action Jun 26 17:29:51 deoctify() in pende's sample script doesn't work for accented messages. Jun 26 17:30:10 ..wtf. my n900, which has been on charge all day, just freaked out (BINGBINGBINGBINGBINGBINGBING) and shut down Jun 26 17:30:15 * w00t_ wonders if that is a bad sign Jun 26 17:31:27 w00t_: he probably wants your attention. you do know he's not something you buy and put on a corner. Jun 26 17:31:28 cehteh: there's yjust one thing you could do: honeypots. Have an app named "MyBankAccounts" that actually detonates the device when started Jun 26 17:31:52 vldcnst: he gets plenty of love and affection Jun 26 17:32:06 w00t_: well that bingbing says otherwise. Jun 26 17:32:20 w00t_: it was probably a suicide attempt. Jun 26 17:32:50 no, suicide is when it tries to fly off the windowsill it's sitting on :) Jun 26 17:33:03 w00t_: maybe on_charge doesn't mean it actually charged? mine needs a double-plugin action every time now, otherwise charger not detected Jun 26 17:33:35 so long as it isn't a sign of my USB port dying.. Jun 26 17:33:36 :P Jun 26 17:34:00 w00t_: regular bat_flat shutdown behaviour, nothing particularly uncommon Jun 26 17:34:45 DocScrutinizer: i'd say it's a bit more uncommon when it's been sitting happily on charge for some hours with next to no usage apart from the odd app test Jun 26 17:35:03 w00t_: see above Jun 26 17:35:19 DocScrutinizer: I did see, but.. it doesn't make a great deal of sense Jun 26 17:35:24 DocScrutinizer: can you do that with the battery controler? :) Jun 26 17:35:39 charging LED was working, status area had charging indicator Jun 26 17:35:41 cehteh: huh? Jun 26 17:35:48 detonate :) Jun 26 17:35:55 w00t_: then it actually makes no sense Jun 26 17:35:58 w00t_: suicide attempts... no food apetise... ugh, you two need a professional help! /jokes off Jun 26 17:36:14 cehteh: alas (or thank god) no Jun 26 17:36:15 well maybe setting the vcc high enough to fry the device will already do and prolly works Jun 26 17:36:36 dunno how well the cpu protects itself Jun 26 17:37:02 cehteh: but meanwhile I learnt how to fry your SoC, if that's good enough for you Jun 26 17:37:15 hah :) Jun 26 17:38:21 fry-app will be available on OVI store, for 49$, signed for your RSA-key and IMEI Jun 26 17:38:37 as closed blob of course Jun 26 17:40:13 lol Jun 26 17:40:40 no free trial version :-P Jun 26 17:40:41 * cehteh offers $49 to the first one who straces it on his device :P Jun 26 17:41:47 well i think it shouldnt be too complicated to attempt and maybe even succeed to fry the SoC Jun 26 17:42:20 there are plenty voltage bits .. and as root you just poke the right thing Jun 26 17:42:36 and you told about the other glitch on the design some time ago Jun 26 17:42:46 there's several ways that are more or less documented. and a few undocumented really nasty ones I found, which are due to Nokia EE messed up things ;-D Jun 26 17:43:17 yes, for example that other glich Jun 26 17:43:23 yeah .. some may be just tries .. with a fair chance to succeed Jun 26 17:43:54 but i will (dont want to) never find out Jun 26 17:45:20 btw is the "IamHere" author sometimes here? Jun 26 17:45:37 eh? Jun 26 17:45:47 the app "IamHere" Jun 26 17:45:54 never heard of IamHere Jun 26 17:46:00 which phones home when the device gets stolen Jun 26 17:46:08 ooh Jun 26 17:46:12 with pics from both cams and gps coords Jun 26 17:46:19 either per sms or email Jun 26 17:46:30 yep Jun 26 17:46:31 you activate it with sms too Jun 26 17:46:34 pretty useless Jun 26 17:46:37 but the source is not on packages.maemo.org Jun 26 17:46:42 imhere-0.3 Jun 26 17:46:57 i dont use it, makes no sense in my current setup Jun 26 17:47:07 but i think it could be improved a bit Jun 26 17:47:16 (to become little more useful) Jun 26 17:47:27 makes no sense with current thiefs' setup Jun 26 17:47:43 turn off phone as soon as the stolen it? Jun 26 17:47:57 replace SIM? Jun 26 17:48:05 the later is accounted for .. Jun 26 17:48:15 we discussed that ad nauseum at OM-community. Usually a thief removes battery and SIM immediately after theft Jun 26 17:48:21 it explicitly sends out a notice when someone replaces the sim Jun 26 17:48:51 well yes but at some point he (or his buyer) has to turn it on again Jun 26 17:49:03 for flashing only Jun 26 17:49:16 or without any sim at all Jun 26 17:49:22 i doubt that 'causual' thiefs flash it Jun 26 17:49:35 hmm, ok Jun 26 17:49:57 i mean i think of the junkie who want to get his next shot Jun 26 17:50:19 but that's more likely the "thief" that found the device you lost in a pub, and is trying to find out to whom to return it Jun 26 17:50:38 and i am not that much interested in the thief but more where the device ends Jun 26 17:50:53 cehteh: those are exactly savvy of how to deal with SIM threat Jun 26 17:51:42 DocScrutinizer: well the "i am here" app detects sim changes and actually gets armed by that sending out SMS and email then Jun 26 17:52:04 remove sim and bat, and sell the device plus sim and bat in a bag to a rogue dealer who knows how to handle it Jun 26 17:52:33 email (and thats my objection) is a bit useless because it has to connect to the right mailserver with the rightcredentials Jun 26 17:52:39 dealer does reflash then Jun 26 17:53:10 well we need some way to disable reflashing Jun 26 17:53:23 ooh yeah Jun 26 17:53:24 LOL Jun 26 17:53:24 should be doable .. hey isnt nolo free .. couhg Jun 26 17:53:38 * DocScrutinizer mumbles swearwords Jun 26 17:53:41 what if the i am here app fucks up init? Jun 26 17:53:48 shht :P Jun 26 17:53:54 * MohammadAG51 speaks DocScrutinizer's swearwords Jun 26 17:55:11 dunno if dealers reflash it .. too much work Jun 26 17:55:28 yeah, and it takes soooo much time... Jun 26 17:55:29 * DocScrutinizer sends a 3kg burg-waechter hanglock to cehteh - "here mate, put that to your N900, and maybe to your part of body you never want to lose, as well" Jun 26 17:55:31 they just resell it anonymously on a bar/discoteque Jun 26 17:55:42 haha Jun 26 17:56:16 cehteh: you look like you never bought a stolen phone Jun 26 17:56:26 jacekowski: exactly Jun 26 17:56:34 cehteh: wherever you get it from - phone is always wiped Jun 26 17:56:43 imei number is changed Jun 26 17:56:46 how do you know? :) Jun 26 17:56:54 i bought couple stolen phones Jun 26 17:56:55 he's a dealer, doh Jun 26 17:57:03 soso Jun 26 17:57:06 i know people who sell stolen phones Jun 26 17:57:20 i know people who steal phones Jun 26 17:57:20 names, addresses .. call the police! Jun 26 17:57:23 dude, move that mirror away from your face :P Jun 26 17:57:39 cehteh: why? Jun 26 17:58:00 aah, I mentioned we discussed that ad nauseum at OM-community, and found it's completely useless, did I? Jun 26 17:58:00 in that way i know where to ask when something mine goes missing Jun 26 17:58:07 jacekowski, what if someone steals your phone Jun 26 17:58:16 nvm >.< Jun 26 17:59:00 jacekowski: get evidence. then the police. Jun 26 17:59:05 DocScrutinizer: well, the only thing i would be worried about is the data on the phone, and i saied earlier already, dont put any confidental stuff on the phone Jun 26 17:59:13 all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing Jun 26 17:59:27 luke-jr: as i said, i don't care about other people Jun 26 17:59:28 cehteh, one persons "private" number is enough Jun 26 17:59:28 even if a dealer just wipes it and doesnt try to recover the datza Jun 26 17:59:31 luke-jr: i care about myself Jun 26 17:59:43 selfish bastard Jun 26 17:59:43 luke-jr: and thing as it's now is better for me Jun 26 17:59:50 lcuk2: well thats unavoidable Jun 26 18:00:10 but for example the ssh keys i have on the phone all have good passphrases and no ssh-agent Jun 26 18:00:18 * MohammadAG51 downgrades lcuk2 to lcuk Jun 26 18:00:40 \o thanks MohammadAG51 Jun 26 18:00:48 * lcuk has sand everywhere Jun 26 18:01:03 lcuk, anytime :P Jun 26 18:01:07 is that a new security measure Jun 26 18:01:14 (sand) Jun 26 18:01:17 going back to security in a phone Jun 26 18:01:17 the slider of the n900 makes the worst noise ever when you get sand in it Jun 26 18:01:24 lol Jun 26 18:01:24 only thing would be disabling flashing Jun 26 18:01:35 but if it's made public Jun 26 18:01:54 it will be worked around Jun 26 18:01:57 Secure-it And Nobody Dares Jun 26 18:01:59 at least some pin-query before flashing Jun 26 18:02:00 the one thing most criminals wont know how to do is reflash Jun 26 18:02:06 or even better, a passphrase to disable flashing Jun 26 18:02:10 they could play Jun 26 18:02:18 lol lcuk +1 on that Jun 26 18:02:21 jacekowski: if you put that early in the bootloader its not easy to work around Jun 26 18:02:23 MohammadAG51: what if you forget passphrase Jun 26 18:02:28 cato`: cable Jun 26 18:02:31 cehteh: cable* Jun 26 18:02:31 but looking at the amount of real users who cant flash.. Jun 26 18:02:40 jacekowski, still better than disabling flashing altogether... Jun 26 18:02:42 jtag/serial cable Jun 26 18:02:56 disable that :) Jun 26 18:02:59 SpeedEvil, said he didn't find a jTag port Jun 26 18:03:19 it has to be there Jun 26 18:03:27 find it Jun 26 18:03:28 the connectors under the battery are no jtag? Jun 26 18:03:38 no, they're serial ports Jun 26 18:03:40 it might be fbus/mbus Jun 26 18:03:42 i tought that jtag, usb and serial Jun 26 18:03:43 or something Jun 26 18:03:52 but anyways Jun 26 18:04:00 there is always way of flashing the phone Jun 26 18:04:04 well isnt there some way to do jtag over serial? Jun 26 18:04:09 If you fail to flash as you forgot the passphrase, the go to a rogue dealer. He has the genuine means to work around it :-P Jun 26 18:04:09 cehteh: no Jun 26 18:04:28 and if it's only one phone that is locked Jun 26 18:04:32 cehteh, even if you do, no one knows the port details Jun 26 18:04:38 they will just throw it far far far away Jun 26 18:04:45 jacekowski: technically you could lock down a SoC well enough Jun 26 18:04:50 cehteh: you can't Jun 26 18:05:00 but i am quite sure nokia has no interest in that Jun 26 18:05:01 cehteh: even tpm chips has been broken Jun 26 18:05:09 IMEI changing is crypto-secured on almost every phone of last ~8years I know of. Criminal dealers know how to change it nevertheless Jun 26 18:05:20 "well enough" means not absoluteky Jun 26 18:05:43 jacekowski, to be fair, that involved lapping and melting the composite stuff around it and is pretty much out of bounds to regular hackers Jun 26 18:05:48 just well enough that the efforts of reflashing are over the price you get for selling it Jun 26 18:05:52 (tpm hacking) Jun 26 18:06:04 lcuk: but somebody will reverse it and publish Jun 26 18:06:08 aah, I mentioned we discussed that ad nauseum at OM-community, and found it's completely useless, did I? Jun 26 18:06:20 lcuk: and then everybody will know how to flash it Jun 26 18:07:06 if you are worried about your data make a backup Jun 26 18:07:09 jacekowski: when the SoC has no data input open for flashing it has no data input open to do so Jun 26 18:07:11 and use encryption Jun 26 18:07:31 cehteh: nokia is using generit TI soc Jun 26 18:07:38 generic* Jun 26 18:07:51 gentlemen, the occasional jumkie stealing your phone won't worry if it's flashable. He possibly won't steal same model a second time *if* his dealer tells him "that's a worthless model, can't reflash" Jun 26 18:07:53 yes .. thats what i already saied, even nokia has no interest in locking it down Jun 26 18:08:01 but there's legions of junkies Jun 26 18:08:07 yeah Jun 26 18:08:21 i leant that with my JVC laptop Jun 26 18:08:31 insurance Jun 26 18:08:39 that's why i don't care about my phone Jun 26 18:08:40 i am pretty sure it ended on a scrapyard Jun 26 18:08:44 if it get's lost Jun 26 18:09:03 all my e-mails/contacts/calendar are on my zimbra ( exchange like ) server Jun 26 18:09:22 and phone itself is insured by my bank Jun 26 18:09:24 no optical drive, not possible to boot from usb or any external medium, encrypted hd and you had to disassemble it completely to reach the hdd Jun 26 18:09:25 as a freebie Jun 26 18:09:55 it would be possible but a lot of work to put another (working) os onto it Jun 26 18:10:25 btw. who want to buy stolen credit card Jun 26 18:10:46 i can contact you with people that sell that stuff Jun 26 18:11:01 jacekowski: I get 100records for the buck in internets :-P Jun 26 18:11:26 so why buy a stolen card?? Jun 26 18:11:26 jacekowski, me me me Jun 26 18:11:36 some of them already done a jail time Jun 26 18:11:40 DocScrutinizer, evidence for the police Jun 26 18:12:08 MohammadAG51: http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=21385 - is that true? Jun 26 18:12:20 MohammadAG51: all the police *I* know will rather arest *you* than hunt the guy you bought it from 'for evidence' Jun 26 18:13:03 jacekowski, idk, not working with the government Jun 26 18:13:17 but you are reading local newspaper Jun 26 18:13:19 local internet Jun 26 18:13:21 local tv Jun 26 18:13:29 not really, whois my IP Jun 26 18:13:47 I'm even reading local minds :-P Jun 26 18:13:53 hetzner Jun 26 18:13:56 omg Jun 26 18:13:58 germany Jun 26 18:13:59 jacekowski, i wasnt aware this channel condoned fencing stolen materials? Jun 26 18:14:03 LOL what Jun 26 18:14:09 hehehehe Jun 26 18:14:13 jacekowski, Jordan Jun 26 18:14:27 MohammadAG51: see :-P Jun 26 18:14:29 route: 78.46.0.0/15 Jun 26 18:14:29 descr: HETZNER-RZ-NBG-BLK5 Jun 26 18:14:44 20:13 [freenode] -!- MohammadAG51 [~MohammadA@78.46.226.25] Jun 26 18:14:44 20:13 [freenode] -!- ircname : special Jun 26 18:15:08 LOL fu DocScrutinizer Jun 26 18:15:16 LOL Jun 26 18:15:31 i knew that bouncer had a hidden reason for it Jun 26 18:15:48 umm, oh... Jun 26 18:15:50 jacekowski, Jun 26 18:16:24 whois that one Jun 26 18:16:43 inetnum: 188.247.82.0 - 188.247.82.255 Jun 26 18:16:43 netname: JO-LINK Jun 26 18:16:43 descr: Zain Data-Jordan Jun 26 18:17:50 jacekowski: nice whois you got there, what's that? Jun 26 18:18:02 my IP Jun 26 18:18:12 DocScrutinizer: just whois Jun 26 18:18:15 MohammadAG51: te tool! Jun 26 18:18:25 ummm Jun 26 18:18:39 ii whois 5.0.5 an intelligent whois client Jun 26 18:19:41 aah, of course Jun 26 18:20:11 just thought you got a compressed output Jun 26 18:21:11 i had a tool that did a lot more stuff Jun 26 18:21:23 including automatic traceroute Jun 26 18:21:26 geoip Jun 26 18:21:39 and was drawing a map based on traceroute results Jun 26 18:21:52 but it's now on old hdd Jun 26 18:23:08 that'd be nice Jun 26 18:25:30 u know what will be nice DocScrutinizer ? Jun 26 18:25:52 say happy ending and earn a kick Jun 26 18:25:56 rofl Jun 26 18:26:24 happy ending! Jun 26 18:26:26 :D Jun 26 18:26:30 DocScrutinizer, may i? Jun 26 18:26:35 nah, nvm Jun 26 18:26:42 hehehe Jun 26 18:27:00 say power factor and earn a kline Jun 26 18:27:35 ( freenode antispam bot was configured to kline people saying power factor ) Jun 26 18:27:49 jacekowski: seems absurd... Jun 26 18:27:56 power factor Jun 26 18:27:59 !!! Jun 26 18:28:04 it's fixed now Jun 26 18:28:08 happy ending! Jun 26 18:28:09 meh :( Jun 26 18:28:27 HtheB, I'll beg for +o if you say it again and kick you myself Jun 26 18:28:34 and i rarely beg for shit :) Jun 26 18:28:45 ahahhaha Jun 26 18:28:56 i never beg for a shit Jun 26 18:29:03 i just go to toilet and do my thing Jun 26 18:29:42 O_o Jun 26 18:29:46 xD Jun 26 18:29:47 pwned! Jun 26 18:32:28 ooh? Jun 26 18:32:50 * MohammadAG51 waits for HtheB to say it Jun 26 18:33:06 say what? :p Jun 26 18:33:36 im rtying froyo now Jun 26 18:33:40 nitdroid Jun 26 18:35:31 ghana 1 - 0 vs Jun 26 18:35:33 \:D/ Jun 26 18:47:08 what happened to the 'search' utility in application manager? Jun 26 18:47:13 don't have that anymore :o Jun 26 18:47:29 Milo-: replaced by 'instatnt search' - just type Jun 26 18:47:33 ah Jun 26 18:48:19 yeah, one of the really significan 'improvements' in pr1.2 :-S Jun 26 18:48:45 (borrow the missing 't' from above, please!) Jun 26 18:49:07 GeneralAntilles: ping (or GAN900 :-)) Jun 26 18:49:21 ola Jaffa :-D Jun 26 18:50:26 'lo :-) Jun 26 18:52:16 SpeedEvil: an 'nice' detail: connection to a charger missing the D+/- short *increases* battery drainage by ~80mA :-o Jun 26 18:53:03 SpeedEvil: I really fail to make a good story out of that. USB activation THAT greedy? Jun 26 18:54:25 ShadowJK: maybe interesting for you as well ^^^ Jun 26 18:55:30 odd Jun 26 18:57:54 very Jun 26 18:59:26 SpeedEvil: while same time - no surprise - my charger doesn't indicate any remarkable power being consumed by the device Jun 26 18:59:48 SpeedEvil: conclusion: BME is completely braindamaged Jun 26 19:00:30 The Ireg of the bq24150 is always on the output side? Jun 26 19:01:53 SpeedEvil: I up'ed 1.3MB log of 10h normal on-charger idling to jrbme docs. You might find interesting. Jumps in device power consumption are caused by me switching on/off the screen backlight (2 or 3 times) Jun 26 19:02:20 I've seen similar Jun 26 19:02:49 like 10:49, 11:00 and a third one later iirc Jun 26 19:03:12 SpeedEvil: lreg? Jun 26 19:03:44 aah, dunno. I'd guess it's always VBUS I that's regulated Jun 26 19:05:55 SpeedEvil: as long as screen is on, bq24150 never hits the charge-end threshold, and BME does nothing to stop that floating situation (see sequences like 1,2,1,4,2,3,1,-11,5,2,1) Jun 26 19:06:40 SpeedEvil: the very moment I switched device to 'lock' the bq24150 status changed 90->80 Jun 26 19:06:49 and charging stopped Jun 26 19:07:52 later on BME pbviously decided to re-enable charging, but set Vreg down from 0x8c to 0x80 (= -60mV) Jun 26 19:08:36 which reduced the battery drainage from ~150mA to ~50mA Jun 26 19:08:57 BME is weird Jun 26 19:09:01 nuts Jun 26 19:09:05 what are you using to log that? Jun 26 19:09:37 i2cdump for bq24150, and ShadowJK's script for bq27200 Jun 26 19:09:48 both >> into one file Jun 26 19:10:27 DocScrutinizer: I don't have any nice docs from battery makers to address this. Jun 26 19:10:54 DocScrutinizer: All I know says floating substantially down from 4.2 shouldn't be harmful Jun 26 19:11:11 I have some nice docs from Masushita (iirc) but still can't address THIS :-P Jun 26 19:11:21 It's only floating at 4.2 - where the 'end' current is non-zero - which is bad Jun 26 19:11:32 yes Jun 26 19:11:47 I mean - float at 4.2 - you have a net charging current flowing endlessly through leakage. Jun 26 19:11:52 not really so at 4.1 Jun 26 19:12:27 well, with screen on you get exactly the 4.2V float hazard case Jun 26 19:12:51 well, nokia has a lot more experience in that Jun 26 19:13:00 muhahaha Jun 26 19:13:06 so i doubt they would screw up something like that Jun 26 19:13:10 Nokia has experience - in principle yes. Jun 26 19:13:10 from the other side Jun 26 19:13:10 quite obviously, yes! Jun 26 19:13:31 i saw even bigger fuck ups in bme code Jun 26 19:13:41 This howerver assumes that information is shared into some central knowledgebase, and the writers of the charger subsystem understands and can read this Jun 26 19:14:02 jacekowski: Nokia - for all I know - has no clue at all what's going on in BME. Done by some dozen contractors over ~10 years Jun 26 19:14:26 is there any page where i can leave my findings for other people to use Jun 26 19:14:33 that's what I heard (rumours) Jun 26 19:14:54 jacekowski: join jrbme proj Jun 26 19:14:59 but there is no requirements for it to be in any readable order Jun 26 19:15:05 dump to documents Jun 26 19:15:13 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME - though DocScrutinizers suggestion is possibly better Jun 26 19:15:30 SpeedEvil: that page has some quality standards Jun 26 19:15:35 that would have to be lowered Jun 26 19:15:39 It does? Jun 26 19:15:45 Which bastard put those in? Jun 26 19:15:48 :) Jun 26 19:16:08 You could just add a 'notes' page Jun 26 19:17:15 besides, i don't think bme does have a watchdog Jun 26 19:17:24 it looks like it's only upstart watching it Jun 26 19:17:50 yes Jun 26 19:18:09 I'm intending going over the hardware pages again to make them all saner Jun 26 19:18:13 but I got distracted. Jun 26 19:18:32 yeah, i spent a lot of time looking for that watchdog Jun 26 19:18:34 Today I have shredded my own weight in hedges Jun 26 19:18:36 and how to disarm it Jun 26 19:18:48 and then i realised that there is no watchdog Jun 26 19:21:19 btw, does anybody know what is stored in cal? Jun 26 19:21:32 FMTX state Jun 26 19:21:39 fw version Jun 26 19:22:00 the rest, idk and i don't give a crap :P Jun 26 19:22:01 and, is there any software that reads it Jun 26 19:22:09 i mean just console thingy that can dump it Jun 26 19:22:10 cal-info-tool iirc Jun 26 19:23:01 o_O Jun 26 19:23:26 cal-tool is all i've got on my device Jun 26 19:24:09 oO? Jun 26 19:24:12 hmmm Jun 26 19:24:23 if you run it without any options Jun 26 19:27:50 jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Jun 26 19:29:32 --get-usb-host-mode, -u Get USB host mode flag Jun 26 19:33:53 jacekowski: known, but worthless on N900 Jun 26 19:34:20 most probably, except if NOLO... Jun 26 19:34:38 jacekowski: anyway nobody knows how to SET the flag Jun 26 19:34:43 i know Jun 26 19:34:55 there is cal lib Jun 26 19:35:07 /usr/lib/libcal.so.1 Jun 26 19:35:11 --get-usb-host-mode, -u Get USB host mode flag Jun 26 19:35:20 hi all Jun 26 19:35:27 showed it to DocScrutinizer before Jun 26 19:35:32 and i saw prototypes for it Jun 26 19:35:44 jacekowski: I did a grep over /etc/* and couldn't find any references to that Jun 26 19:35:53 N8x0 heritage most prolly Jun 26 19:35:57 give me a second Jun 26 19:36:01 i'll disassemble it Jun 26 19:36:09 I'm having some problems with NokiaSDK. I can successfully compile an application for Maemo target, but at the end when it tries to build the .deb package (I suppose) I get this error: Packaging Error: Could not copy '/home/andrea/Documents/sviluppo/msoma-build-n900/msoma' to '/home/andrea/Documents/sviluppo/msoma-build-n900/debian/msoma//usr/local/bin/msoma'. Jun 26 19:36:13 how can I fix this? Jun 26 19:36:23 jacekowski: you're an evil hax0r Jun 26 19:36:34 DocScrutinizer: i consulted some people Jun 26 19:36:44 DocScrutinizer: it's legal to that sort of stuff Jun 26 19:36:52 hehe Jun 26 19:36:56 sure it is Jun 26 19:37:09 if it's for research purposes Jun 26 19:37:13 and educational Jun 26 19:37:16 which it is Jun 26 20:01:29 nice Jun 26 20:01:34 got my smstalk script working! Jun 26 20:01:39 now it talks all SMS people send me :D Jun 26 20:07:58 All, I'll spam here: http://maemo.org/community/council/nokia_response_to_mynokia_subscription_in_pr1-2/ Jun 26 20:08:11 X-Fade: ping Jun 26 20:08:47 hello... guys I have question to all you maemo expert. I am considering buying a N900... would you recommend it to a Linux geek like me? Jun 26 20:09:29 linuxboy_: Speaking as someone who has had a n900 for 7 months, my major annoyance with the device so far is that they were too cheap to put in more than one stylus. Jun 26 20:10:02 :) Jun 26 20:10:14 SpeedEvil: I see... I heard some rumors about Nokia not supporting the N900.... true or false ? Jun 26 20:10:16 yeah hey I just misplaced mine! Jun 26 20:10:17 linuxboy_: If you're a linux geek, there is no other phone for you. Jun 26 20:11:25 indeed, it's perfect for linux geeks because it builds on regular userland, gtk and qt Jun 26 20:11:41 and x-terminal comes preinstalled :D Jun 26 20:12:05 I have had mine for two weeks and I just love it Jun 26 20:13:37 fuck Jun 26 20:13:42 thanks guys... obviously I am aware of the specifications of the N900 and I can imagine what it can do... the only thing holding me back were rumors Jun 26 20:13:44 i might have fucked up my phone Jun 26 20:13:58 linuxboy_, shoot! Jun 26 20:14:05 i'm not sure yet Jun 26 20:14:13 but i wrong into wrong place in cal Jun 26 20:14:20 but i written* Jun 26 20:14:29 hmm, it's booting Jun 26 20:14:38 linuxboy_, well rumours are rumours Jun 26 20:14:45 But basically Nokia isn't hiding anything. They're working on a new one, possibly for christmas, and then for next christmas, etc. Jun 26 20:15:14 will the next mameo/meego device have a physical keyboard? Jun 26 20:15:32 That we don't know Jun 26 20:15:45 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cal-tool -u Jun 26 20:15:45 enabled Jun 26 20:15:49 ok Jun 26 20:15:51 i have that Jun 26 20:15:55 now just a question Jun 26 20:15:58 what's next Jun 26 20:16:40 What some people are upset with is that Nokia has a tendency to never backport new operating systems to older hw Jun 26 20:16:53 hmm Jun 26 20:17:15 can you get Ovi suite to download maps to the eMMC instead of the add-on card? Jun 26 20:17:28 I've lots of space on eMMC but not on the mem card Jun 26 20:18:37 sjk: that's not nokia, that is all corporations Jun 26 20:21:37 tybollt: You can do that via a symlink Jun 26 20:31:47 i hate wireless Jun 26 20:31:57 and wifi in n900 is fucked up Jun 26 20:32:11 everything except n900 works with my AP Jun 26 20:32:32 powersave modes active on the N900? Jun 26 20:32:55 n900 works better on my wireless router than my laptop Jun 26 20:34:59 nope Jun 26 20:35:00 disabled Jun 26 20:35:08 i just have like 70% packet loss Jun 26 20:39:11 * pahartik just found out that USB on "Apple iBook G4" does not provide enough power to charge "Nokia N900" through "Nokia CA-100" when laptop workstation is operating on battery power Jun 26 20:39:38 that or you dont have the connectivity driver installed? Jun 26 20:52:29 * xkr47-DI uses usb networking Jun 26 20:52:55 anyone using gentoo here ? Jun 26 20:53:17 any recommended scratchbox etc installation instructions.. right now I'm trying http://geektor.blogspot.com/2009/12/maemo-5-sdk-in-gentoo.html Jun 26 20:57:00 who want's to try something? Jun 26 20:57:23 and does have usb cable with id pin grounded Jun 26 21:01:16 OMFG Jun 26 21:01:21 i think that's working Jun 26 21:02:58 Yo Jun 26 21:03:02 Feel the flow Jun 26 21:03:06 pahartik: CA-100? you mean CA-101 USB cable? And - depending on what you actually do and keep activated/powered on your N900 - that's a common problem Jun 26 21:03:53 DocScrutinizer: yo there chap! :) Jun 26 21:03:59 jacekowski: that's the problem: nobody has a way to gnd ID pin :-S Jun 26 21:04:19 DocScrutinizer: should I mail you the the one charger I found? Jun 26 21:04:53 jacekowski: or lemme put it that way: micro B USB plugs with ID pin grounded are hard to find Jun 26 21:05:01 DocScrutinizer: the one with 2 old type Nokia charging inputs that becomes the USB model Jun 26 21:05:04 omfg Jun 26 21:05:07 i think it's working Jun 26 21:05:17 without any kernel mods Jun 26 21:05:34 jacekowski: what are you fucking around with this time? burning the device or? :) Jun 26 21:05:42 DocScrutinizer: It is "Nokia CA-100", I have used it for charging "Nokia 6151" from battery before Jun 26 21:06:01 host mode Jun 26 21:06:09 jacekowski: :-D Jun 26 21:06:21 jacekowski; grounded to what? Jun 26 21:06:30 to Ground??? Jun 26 21:06:31 lol what? Jun 26 21:06:46 erm, let me rephrase that. ground what? Jun 26 21:06:53 ID pin Jun 26 21:07:05 wait... what just happened? Jun 26 21:07:43 which one is the id pin? Jun 26 21:07:50 well, i was fucking around with cal Jun 26 21:07:57 i fucked up my r&d mode flags Jun 26 21:08:18 Kegetys: the on that hits the table writing ID on it in your face Jun 26 21:08:19 and i wrote one to "usb_host_mode" in cal Jun 26 21:09:03 and i proc/driver/musb_hdrc shows host mode Jun 26 21:09:42 power/devctl=? Jun 26 21:10:10 e2 99 Jun 26 21:10:40 did it enumerate? Jun 26 21:10:42 so is the meego ui actually coming in alpha on the 30th in some sort of usable form for the n900? Jun 26 21:10:52 jacekowski: you're talking gibberish Jun 26 21:10:57 f1 dd is what it should be Jun 26 21:10:57 or are all these threads just yanking my chain Jun 26 21:11:03 jacekowski, so is host mode "fully possible" with n900? Jun 26 21:11:26 well, i connected it to self powered hdd Jun 26 21:11:32 and it has spun up Jun 26 21:11:41 did anyone say it wasn't? Jun 26 21:11:51 i said did it enumerate Jun 26 21:12:12 luckily I just looked at this chan ^^ Jun 26 21:12:17 HDDs spin up without connecting to a host device Jun 26 21:12:23 MohammadAG51: f1 dd, is not really that good Jun 26 21:12:30 because its still "bdevice" Jun 26 21:12:32 any 5V supply makes it spin :) Jun 26 21:12:49 f1 dd is a_host for me Jun 26 21:12:50 :) Jun 26 21:12:50 xkr47-DI: yes, it's quite possible. Jun 26 21:12:50 xkr47-DI: hostmode IS possible, we had a proof for that quite some 7 weeks ago, maybe longer Jun 26 21:13:03 found the wiki page, thx Jun 26 21:13:09 xkr47-DI: It needs to have work done to polish it. Jun 26 21:13:18 hmmm Jun 26 21:13:19 MohammadAG51: have a look at the datasheets. a_host is sw-statemachine, devctl is hw-statemachine Jun 26 21:13:33 DocScrutinizer, you said it'd work before that.. Jun 26 21:13:43 MohammadAG51: i can send you program that i made to set that usb_host_mode in cal Jun 26 21:13:50 but hmm Jun 26 21:14:10 hcm, they wouldn't really help me, not an engineer to understand that stuff :) Jun 26 21:14:19 is the creator of Mappero here? Jun 26 21:14:30 People over at #meego are not too friendly Jun 26 21:14:49 jacekowski: we want to know what you actually GOT THERE, not a prog to set a bit in CAL Jun 26 21:14:51 The first person to answer was saying that "We have answered that question a lot" when I asked about MeeGo for N900 Jun 26 21:14:56 SpeedEvil, aight, thx Jun 26 21:15:51 jacekowski: so please see if you find the drive in 'lsusb' Jun 26 21:16:02 MohammadAG51: you should still be able to understand pages 3253 and 3278 of SPRUF98D, they show how to interpret the values of power and devctl Jun 26 21:16:11 jacekowski: as "spinning up" means nothing at all Jun 26 21:16:31 Official statement over at #meego is following: Jun 26 21:16:32 DrGrov: there will be a community release. It will not be commercially supported by Nokia, but will have the necessary closed code so that all peripherals will at least have a chance of working over time. Jun 26 21:16:34 exactly Jun 26 21:16:41 So no more asking I presume needed. Jun 26 21:16:46 My HDD spins using AC power sometimes Jun 26 21:17:03 hmm, it fails on enumeration Jun 26 21:17:10 ... Jun 26 21:17:15 :-x Jun 26 21:17:20 let me copy dmesg to pc Jun 26 21:17:30 * MohammadAG51 headdesks Jun 26 21:17:35 jacekowski: but does it try to enumerate? Jun 26 21:17:35 take a breath, people. It's a red herring Jun 26 21:17:39 yes Jun 26 21:17:41 ups Jun 26 21:17:47 it's not booting no Jun 26 21:17:48 w Jun 26 21:18:03 huh? Jun 26 21:18:04 i think messing up r&d_mode was a bad idea Jun 26 21:18:28 well, that program to set bits in cal was copy&paste of program to set bits in r&d mode Jun 26 21:18:34 ouch Jun 26 21:18:39 flash the x-loader image Jun 26 21:18:41 and i forgot to change that Jun 26 21:18:49 but that's strage Jun 26 21:18:51 strange Jun 26 21:18:55 1st time it did boot Jun 26 21:19:05 now it's not booting Jun 26 21:19:09 does anybody actually read crash reports made with crash reporter? Jun 26 21:19:11 maybe battery is flat Jun 26 21:19:26 flash the bootloader... Jun 26 21:19:34 or that Jun 26 21:19:35 hmm Jun 26 21:19:40 Arkenoi, most probably yes Jun 26 21:19:44 no initfs \o/ on the screen Jun 26 21:20:10 R&D mode always says that Jun 26 21:21:28 i just talked to a guy who used to work in MS and he was in contact with the person who "maintains" crash report logs received via "send bug report to microsoft" button Jun 26 21:21:39 the "maintenance" is actually monthly purge Jun 26 21:21:47 no reads that Jun 26 21:22:08 well, i've read some articles about what they found in these logs Jun 26 21:22:17 with the amount of bugs in ms products I really am not surprised Jun 26 21:22:19 ( i mean microsoft ) Jun 26 21:22:31 wow, that guys job can be replaced by a shell script ;) Jun 26 21:22:40 what did they find Jun 26 21:22:46 LOL hcm Jun 26 21:22:48 let me find it Jun 26 21:23:03 Arkenoi: in other words, the guy doesn't do his job Jun 26 21:23:17 if you sign up for having your app's reports be available from microsoft it does work though Jun 26 21:23:24 I'm sure he's *supposed* to aggregate the logs into internal bug reports or such Jun 26 21:23:45 hcm: well, in theory sometimes he *should* receive a request from QA to search for something and he said it just did never happen Jun 26 21:23:53 hcm: you wouldn't believe how many of my jobs I was temped to write a shellscript and then take a year of holiday Jun 26 21:23:56 steady orange light Jun 26 21:24:00 that's not charging Jun 26 21:24:30 it is Jun 26 21:24:36 It may be. Jun 26 21:24:37 emergency charge Jun 26 21:24:44 * MohammadAG51 leaves this to DocScrutinizer Jun 26 21:24:45 it IS Jun 26 21:24:56 Steady orange light means it could be charging if some factors are met Jun 26 21:25:02 hmm, now i have steady orange Jun 26 21:25:10 and it's not starting at all Jun 26 21:25:19 it means you're either charging @100mA or @500mA, without any system booted up Jun 26 21:25:22 emergency charge Jun 26 21:25:28 battery's flat Jun 26 21:25:33 did you have bme off? Jun 26 21:25:48 yep Jun 26 21:25:50 jacekowski, leave it for half an hour Jun 26 21:26:00 MohammadAG51: could also mean NOLO is dead :-P Jun 26 21:26:22 nah, nolo was working 2 minutes ago Jun 26 21:26:32 and i've done nothing to it since then Jun 26 21:26:39 no NOLO -> nothing to stop emergency hw autonomous charging -> steady orange Jun 26 21:26:40 DocScrutinizer, if only I could test that :P Jun 26 21:27:00 would be nice to have usb sniffer Jun 26 21:27:07 lol Jun 26 21:27:14 * MohammadAG51 would file a bug report to replace NOLO with GRUB, but meh Jun 26 21:27:22 * DocScrutinizer acks jacekowski Jun 26 21:27:38 i wonder what nokia's response would be Jun 26 21:27:55 prolly go fsck yourself Jun 26 21:28:00 lilo! Jun 26 21:28:01 i have software usb sniffer Jun 26 21:28:07 Stskeeps claims NOLO is signed and no replacement will work as we got no key to sign that Jun 26 21:28:08 but that's kinda useless Jun 26 21:28:27 DocScrutinizer: key can be cracked Jun 26 21:28:38 * DocScrutinizer suggested that Jun 26 21:28:48 lol Jun 26 21:28:49 In some cases, depending on where the verifier is. Jun 26 21:28:52 people managed to crack ECC in winrar Jun 26 21:28:57 to make a proper keygen Jun 26 21:29:06 that's like 1000000000x harder Jun 26 21:29:39 and there was htc phone that had similiar problem Jun 26 21:29:58 jacekowski: how can it be harder? Jun 26 21:30:02 I'm still doubtful about if we really got the OMAP variant that actually does BL checksumming and sign checking Jun 26 21:30:10 just reverse engineer the WinRAR binary Jun 26 21:30:19 we don't have the NOLO-sig-check code Jun 26 21:30:26 not evne in binary form Jun 26 21:30:31 luke-jr: and you can get public part of the key Jun 26 21:30:40 jacekowski: you can't crack that... Jun 26 21:30:45 luke-jr: but they did Jun 26 21:30:51 luke-jr: I guess you can get that in the OMAP papers Jun 26 21:30:57 http://forum.exetools.com/showthread.php?t=12104 Jun 26 21:30:59 luke-jr: http://forum.exetools.com/showthread.php?t=12104 Jun 26 21:31:22 if you have the code that checks it, you can possibly hand-craft a compatible signature Jun 26 21:31:26 luke-jr: what we don't have is the private key Nokia flashed to the OMAP to verify the NOLO checksum Jun 26 21:31:32 but just the signature/public part isn't sufficient Jun 26 21:31:55 luke-jr: you always can bruteforce it Jun 26 21:32:31 DocScrutinizer: there is no private key on omap Jun 26 21:32:33 luke-jr: assuming TI hasn't implemented a fixed key and either making their customers send in their BL binaries to get signed by TI, or handing out one standard key to sign to all of their cistomers Jun 26 21:32:39 DocScrutinizer: if there is anything there it's public key Jun 26 21:32:56 jacekowski: correct s/private/public/ Jun 26 21:33:11 and public key isn't a problem Jun 26 21:33:14 DocScrutinizer: you forget option B: allow signed binaries to rewrite the key storage area Jun 26 21:33:17 we need private key Jun 26 21:33:32 jacekowski: we don't even have the public key Jun 26 21:33:37 DocScrutinizer: so OMAPs are distributed with TI's key, and a TI-signed app can modify the key used Jun 26 21:34:18 hmm, possible Jun 26 21:34:50 still you need a way to generate your proprietary public key then Jun 26 21:35:26 gpg --create-key Jun 26 21:35:28 :p Jun 26 21:35:49 tbh I never looked into these features of OMAP in detail, as I thought "screwit, I never buy a device using such shit". Now I have to learn I accidentally did :-( Jun 26 21:36:14 for all we know, NOLO might be not just signed, but encrypted, and change the key every run Jun 26 21:36:34 DocScrutinizer: shit happens Jun 26 21:36:43 luke-jr: stop talking BS please. TI mask programmed BL checksummer/root-BL won't use a GPG key Jun 26 21:37:15 DocScrutinizer: the point being that key-generation need not be a secret Jun 26 21:37:25 luke-jr: and your idea of changing key every run - sorry - doesn't make any sense to me Jun 26 21:37:36 hmmm Jun 26 21:37:44 it looks like i don't have peripherial mode now Jun 26 21:38:47 jacekowski: tha's all very interesting, but beyond what you NOT got now - is there anything usefull you actually earned by doing that hack? Jun 26 21:40:17 well, lack of peripherial mode made extraction of logs harder Jun 26 21:40:52 jacekowski: too bad if there's no ssh and wifi :-P Jun 26 21:41:36 or writing to mmc etc - theres many ways to get data out Jun 26 21:42:26 or typing the log letter by letter Jun 26 21:42:43 for all that I can figure any setting of those CAL R&D mode flags will do nothing for hostmode, except maybe NOLO enabling a useless broken chargepump in twl4030 which causes ~3V on VBUS Jun 26 21:43:33 seems like kernel has no way to even know about the hostmode flag in CAL being set, so how could it switch to hostmode magically? Jun 26 21:44:43 Hmm. Jun 26 21:44:43 hmm, nolo? Jun 26 21:45:03 maybe Jun 26 21:45:11 but it has done something to usb Jun 26 21:45:16 * SpeedEvil proposes that all gratuitous use of the letter q, 'qt' or 'cute' be banned in package names. Jun 26 21:45:31 and it's not r&d flag Jun 26 21:45:39 it's separate block Jun 26 21:46:16 Heya guys, anybody got ARApp running in pr1.2? I just dl'ed it, and it crashes immediatly :S Jun 26 21:46:24 jacekowski, either ways, it hasn't helped the current host mode situation :) Jun 26 21:46:42 well, there is something that reads that flag Jun 26 21:46:50 marcus_, yeah i did Jun 26 21:47:03 horrible naming convention Jun 26 21:47:18 i couldnt find the example for the related library anywhere Jun 26 21:47:20 lcuk: Do you know the name of the binary? I'd like to try it out in terminal and see output. Jun 26 21:47:29 try arapp.. Jun 26 21:48:01 failing that, its in /opt/arapp Jun 26 21:48:08 Status: MHDRC, Mode=Host (Power=a0, DevCtl=98) Jun 26 21:48:08 OTG state: UNDEFINED; inactive Jun 26 21:48:08 Options: musb-dma, otg (peripheral+host), debug=10 [eps=12] Jun 26 21:48:08 Peripheral address: 00 Jun 26 21:48:12 Root port status: 00000501 Jun 26 21:48:13 Already tried arap,, it was my first guess. Jun 26 21:48:28 OTG state: UNDEFINED; inactive lol Jun 26 21:48:32 Status: MHDRC, Mode=Host (Power=f0, DevCtl=dd) Jun 26 21:48:32 OTG state: a_host; active Jun 26 21:48:42 o.O Jun 26 21:48:46 /opt/arapp/arapp it is Jun 26 21:48:50 marcus_, on my machine it comes up if i cd into its folder first Jun 26 21:49:00 its qt based isnt it Jun 26 21:49:05 jacekowski, lsusb? Jun 26 21:49:08 lcuk: Hmm, I get a segmentation fault. Jun 26 21:49:12 that's from logs Jun 26 21:49:16 i have to charge it now Jun 26 21:49:29 o.o Jun 26 21:49:34 i'll play around with it again after it's charged Jun 26 21:49:39 marcus_, try reinstalling it, its possible tho you have screwed up some things Jun 26 21:49:48 and i have to make notes this time Jun 26 21:49:55 as i've got no idea how o got to that state Jun 26 21:50:10 magic! Jun 26 21:50:18 i echoed a bit to /proc/driver/musb.. and /sys/dev...musb/mode Jun 26 21:50:26 but everything on stock kernel Jun 26 21:50:28 is CAD what I want to design a mechanical device? Jun 26 21:50:39 luke-jr: cad is a generic term Jun 26 21:50:43 I know Jun 26 21:50:47 luke-jr, yes usually Jun 26 21:50:50 luke-jr: but yes Jun 26 21:51:00 computer aided drawing/design Jun 26 21:51:09 but if you want it manufacturing you would need a cad design technician who knows the required bits ;) Jun 26 21:51:31 if its for shits n giggles yourself, just go for it Jun 26 21:51:38 jacekowski: we did this long ago. getting to host mode *occasionally* by 'echo foo >sys/blabub' is known to yield SOME results, see mohammad and egoshin Jun 26 21:52:16 lcuk: I would want to build it by hand Jun 26 21:52:25 it's not related to --set-rd-flags=USB_HOSTMODE Jun 26 21:52:28 which leads to a question, are the patches actually redundant? Jun 26 21:52:48 hi Jun 26 21:53:01 need to try this on a stock kernel Jun 26 21:53:08 luke-jr, go for it then Jun 26 21:53:15 DocScrutinizer: well, i think it's not related to me fucking up my r&d flags Jun 26 21:53:41 MohammadAG51: there are no patches of the kind you implied. all patches were to stop idiocies like blacklist, or to make things like "echo F >proc/musb*/*' work Jun 26 21:53:46 i'm a happy n900 owner now. one question: i use the built-in IM-client. But i do NOT want that my IM-buddys appers in my "contacts" thingie. I just want people i actually call there Jun 26 21:54:04 i didn't see a way to just show people who have a telephne number or so... Jun 26 21:54:09 steinex: the difference? Jun 26 21:54:10 how do you people do that? Jun 26 21:54:16 lcuk: No luck reinstalling. I see another guy having the same problem as I do, on the developers website. Jun 26 21:54:27 DocScrutinizer, but if he got f0/1 dd then the echo F isn't actually needed... Jun 26 21:54:32 luke-jr: um well i have 120 im-contacts, some of them i change a few words in 2 years Jun 26 21:54:38 steinex: you want to filter contacts w/o voice capability? Jun 26 21:54:43 luke-jr: yeah Jun 26 21:54:54 that would be good Jun 26 21:55:17 steinex, just use the phone then? i open phone and it lists all my recent calls to people.. Jun 26 21:55:34 MohammadAG51: how surprising! it shouldn't be needed anyway, if kernel did his job proper and detected fastmode, which is exactly what we try to implement Jun 26 21:55:39 lcuk: hrm, well Jun 26 21:56:11 right, forgot that F = force hostmode Jun 26 21:57:21 what i want to do is to filter for "local" contacts so to speak... lets say i add 30 people to my phonebook i still have the im-clutter-contacts around them Jun 26 21:57:23 MohammadAG51: the kernel where you got those exciting results of "wooow, it works" was really just a debug-modded kernel that had a few handles and dials to mess with the statemachine manually as it didn't know to do the job correctly n it's own Jun 26 21:57:39 hehe this looks cool http://maemobriefs.blogspot.com/2010/06/drlaunch-application-launcher-widget.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoBriefs+%28Maemo+Briefs%29 Jun 26 21:57:45 Anyone using appdownloader to download apps from the repositories? Jun 26 21:57:47 MohammadAG51: that's the whole purpose of that kernel. It's plain unsuited for productive use Jun 26 21:57:49 i think if i can't filter for local contacts i would need to use pidgin (which i personally don't like much) Jun 26 21:57:49 steinex: tap the title->Groups->Cellular Jun 26 21:58:09 DocScrutinizer, meh Jun 26 21:59:01 luke-jr: u just have "contacts on sim-card" there Jun 26 21:59:13 steinex: I don't have a SIM card, so speculating on the last option Jun 26 21:59:28 anyway, cya trolls, I missed my *breakfast* another time Jun 26 21:59:44 luke-jr: i mean _I_ have only "contacts on sim" there ;) Jun 26 22:00:02 luke-jr: i would use this, but i can't add/delete contacts from it Jun 26 22:00:09 (which i wonder why too, btw) Jun 26 22:00:22 well, this second I can declare it breakfast of today :-P Jun 26 22:01:00 lol Jun 26 22:01:57 How can I get the ForecaWeather and Calendar apps to use Tonal? Jun 26 22:02:20 what was the name of that app that was changing r&d mode flags Jun 26 22:02:35 jacekowski: flasher or dsme-tool Jun 26 22:02:57 there was something working on the phone as well Jun 26 22:03:03 gtk based Jun 26 22:03:05 with gui Jun 26 22:04:04 dsme-tool was the only on-tablet app I knew of Jun 26 22:04:29 how can I tell Maemo 5 to keep GPS on all the time? Jun 26 22:07:58 hi Jun 26 22:08:01 my keyboard backlight seems to be behaving strange Jun 26 22:08:16 is it possible to force the phone application into a specific orientation? Jun 26 22:08:31 backlight on sides is flashing a random frequency Jun 26 22:08:55 I want it in landscape allways Jun 26 22:09:10 Justus: wouldn't that be nice? XD Jun 26 22:09:43 so it isn't possible? ;) Jun 26 22:12:44 no Jun 26 22:13:20 jacekowski: R&D mode? Jun 26 22:14:04 Justus, open the phone app, click the menu, select turning control, profit Jun 26 22:14:35 jacekowski: LOL R&D flahlight mode Jun 26 22:14:57 wtf Jun 26 22:14:59 ah, lol Jun 26 22:15:06 lcuk: thank you, I feel like an idiot now ^^ Jun 26 22:15:28 Justus, not as much of an idiot as luke-jr - he doesnt even have a device Jun 26 22:15:41 I should take a look at the menu before googling ;) Jun 26 22:15:48 :D Jun 26 22:15:49 :P Jun 26 22:15:56 man sorry DocScrutinizer Jun 26 22:16:08 I just need to say it once :D Jun 26 22:16:11 happy ending! Jun 26 22:16:14 man I'm hapy Jun 26 22:16:18 happy* Jun 26 22:16:24 I flashed my phone again Jun 26 22:16:39 lcuk: wrong. I heard he recently found a device in his letterbox :-p Jun 26 22:16:53 to see what the problem was that I had Jun 26 22:17:04 (pressing power button puts the audio into silence for 3 secs) Jun 26 22:17:06 HtheB, You have earned a new trophy, get banned from #maemo Jun 26 22:17:06 oh cripes - i thought it was against his religion? Jun 26 22:17:09 anybody has experience with an external camera on the n900? I know this is a bit specific but I'm looking for a rearview cam for my car and using my n900 (which I allready use for gps-navigation) seemed rather elegant ;) Jun 26 22:17:25 can a webcam or something like that be used on the usb port? Jun 26 22:17:40 lcuk: what? I have two devices. Jun 26 22:17:41 lcuk: LOL Jun 26 22:17:48 three if you include non-Nokia Jun 26 22:18:03 many more if you include non-handheld Jun 26 22:18:06 kthx mr. fud Jun 26 22:18:13 Justus: not yet .. but as soon hostmode works AND the cam driver will be compiled into some community kernel you may have a chance Jun 26 22:18:30 so .. my guess is not too soon :) Jun 26 22:18:40 lol luke-jr i could probably dig up quotes from you saying you wouldnt get an n900 cos of the evil binaries Jun 26 22:18:41 well are there bluetooth webcams? Jun 26 22:18:53 good idea Jun 26 22:18:59 cehteh: I've not seen any. I pondered making one, but got stalled. Jun 26 22:18:59 let me take a look at that ^^ Jun 26 22:19:01 Justus: you got two cams builtin, so why use an external usb webcam?? Jun 26 22:19:09 cehteh: There are stupidly expensive bluetooth cameras. Jun 26 22:19:17 cehteh: as in DSLR Jun 26 22:19:18 DocScrutinizer, because he doesnt want to get out of his car to see the gps stuff Jun 26 22:19:23 because the builtin camera cant see out the back if it's up with you in the driver's seat DocScrutinizer Jun 26 22:19:26 lcuk: I wouldn't, but I'm not turning down a surprise pkg :) Jun 26 22:19:28 he wants to put a camera on his bumper Jun 26 22:19:31 @DocScrutinizer: the whole point of rearview cams is not having to turn ;) Jun 26 22:19:49 lcuk: FWIW, I have the Turning Control set to Portrait, and it still acts like it is Automatic Jun 26 22:19:51 Justus: well seriously i think its not yet worth the efforts, too much things to do Jun 26 22:19:55 fair enough luke-jr - now get a sim in it and learn how to use it :p Jun 26 22:20:00 but in theory it may work someday Jun 26 22:20:07 err, I get neither of these comments Jun 26 22:20:09 lcuk: there's no N900-compatible 3G service where I live Jun 26 22:20:25 (possibly with some extra usb power adapter and all kinds of fun and chances to fry your device) Jun 26 22:20:25 why do you need 3g? Jun 26 22:20:46 lcuk: and the only GSM service is like $100/mo for 5 GB Jun 26 22:21:00 DocScrutinizer: I want to use my N900 as a display for a rearview camera, so when I drive backwards in my car I can look outside the back window directly and not only over the mirrors Jun 26 22:21:11 DocScrutinizer, the guy asked about webcam via usb because his usecase was: in car nav system, but he wanted to add reversing helper using the camera Jun 26 22:21:29 ok Jun 26 22:21:30 luke-jr, do you use it as a phone? Jun 26 22:21:36 Justus: tried the 'mirror' app? :) Jun 26 22:21:37 use a IP cam then Jun 26 22:21:39 lcuk: occasionally Jun 26 22:21:39 for now Jun 26 22:21:58 god im still full of sand Jun 26 22:21:59 lcuk: it's a bit more convenient than my portable analog crap Jun 26 22:22:06 actually that's not even a bad idea Jun 26 22:22:10 a wifi cam Jun 26 22:22:45 lcuk: don't suppose you know a way to tell the phone app to default to SIP? Jun 26 22:22:51 Justus, you know, some bright designer guy recently came up with a mechanism to see behind you when reversing: called it something like a mirror Jun 26 22:23:21 dunno luke-jr not looked too deeply into it Jun 26 22:23:26 lcuk: Does not have augmented reality. Jun 26 22:23:32 * lcuk is happy just using normal phone Jun 26 22:23:44 SpeedEvil, it does however have furry dice plugins Jun 26 22:23:45 lcuk: you obviously never had a really big car ;) Jun 26 22:23:57 Justus, even truck drivers manage ;) Jun 26 22:24:07 lcuk: SIP is all I have, in general :) Jun 26 22:24:21 even if I had GSM service, I'd want to use SIP when home Jun 26 22:24:37 (the GSM service would be controlled by the same server as runs SIP) Jun 26 22:24:40 yeah, I've seen that quite some time now, the average truck driver parks by the "if it cracks loudly you're right"-method Jun 26 22:24:51 :D Jun 26 22:25:22 Justuswhat car do you drive? Jun 26 22:25:25 * GAN900 chuckles at the comments on the latest council blog post. Jun 26 22:26:22 lcuk: Ford Mondeo, that's a middle class combi-van Jun 26 22:27:02 sure i know them Jun 26 22:27:34 ip camera would be simplest if you are using n900 in dash Jun 26 22:27:45 dunno about how good quality would be Jun 26 22:28:00 i know a lot of the standard rearview systems are pretty nicely integrated Jun 26 22:28:05 well, it doesn't need to be perfect, but at least it's a workable idea Jun 26 22:28:12 Or composite display, with the n900 in the bumper. Jun 26 22:28:32 SpeedEvil: yeah! :D Jun 26 22:28:54 * SpeedEvil wishes HUDs were easier. Jun 26 22:28:59 these rear view systems are around 150 euros, dunno if I can get a cheaper IP cam Jun 26 22:29:15 you can get lots cheaper than 150e Jun 26 22:29:18 dealextreme.com Jun 26 22:29:29 around 50e for the cheapest Jun 26 22:30:05 sounds good to me :) Jun 26 22:30:28 However - check the reviews. Quality varies somewhat. Jun 26 22:30:59 I'd love a thingy that took input from 8 cams, and did sensor fusion to a 'top down' display Jun 26 22:31:37 guess I'll go for amazon, they have a cam with good reviews for 30e Jun 26 22:32:37 * SpeedEvil wishes the n900 could do composite in. Jun 26 22:33:40 GAN900: what's to chuckle there? Jun 26 22:33:58 >:-(( Jun 26 22:34:22 SpeedEvil: I allways wish for a fusion reactor ;) Jun 26 22:34:24 ^^^ <-Nokia Jun 26 22:49:53 well then thanks for your help everyone :) Jun 26 22:49:57 bye Jun 26 22:52:30 hmm, Jun 26 22:56:35 DocScrutinizer2, it's just such a lame situation Jun 26 22:56:44 and the reply is so silly as to be ludicrus. Jun 26 22:58:01 GAN900: indeed Jun 26 22:58:30 IANAL otherwise should consider to kill my useless life Jun 26 22:59:44 now should I *allow* fuscking SMS to be sent, so I have a real reason to bitch after that? Or follow instructions how to avoid it? Jun 26 23:02:10 I wonder what testers/devels are supposed to do - the ones who, by following their professional duties, reflash PR1.2 incl eMMC 5 times a day Jun 26 23:03:27 what with those who got a corporate SIM for these tests? Are the lawsuits about getting fired for using SMS service on a corporate SIM paid by Nokia? Jun 26 23:04:12 Woo! Only 123 packages left in the QA queue to vote on. Jun 26 23:04:34 Will Nokia send experts to witness the poor employee never actually knew he was sending an SMS? Jun 26 23:06:00 damn, I always thought we gained the trphy for acting stupid, at Openmoko back when. I start to think we need to pass it over to Nokia Jun 26 23:06:25 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/gps-data-logger/0.5-3/ <- SpeedEvil vote for this :) Jun 26 23:06:35 I think I did. Jun 26 23:06:51 not unless you're Mustali Dalal Jun 26 23:06:53 Oh - not yet. Jun 26 23:06:57 It's in my queue. Jun 26 23:07:29 700km+ without a problem using this widget Jun 26 23:07:35 so it's cool Jun 26 23:07:37 ;) Jun 26 23:09:03 SpeedEvil: karmawhore ;-P Jun 26 23:09:29 Jaffa, GAN900 where was the official original letter that nokia responded to? Jun 26 23:09:36 lol, I just found the ranking of karma by packagetesting and turns out I'm fourth. I don't even spend that much time on this, people are lazy, they don't vote for shit Jun 26 23:09:38 Well - I am actually honestly evaluating all the packages for issues. Jun 26 23:09:59 powertop/strace - licence issues, ... Jun 26 23:10:12 that last one surprised me lol Jun 26 23:10:15 Just clicking would be much easier. Jun 26 23:10:17 :) Jun 26 23:10:45 SpeedEvil: yo da man :-) Jun 26 23:10:57 * SpeedEvil can't do the GPS widget ATM, as that would involve getting out of bed. Jun 26 23:11:06 prolly nobody ever did before Jun 26 23:11:11 why do you have a ceiling... Jun 26 23:11:29 MohammadAG51: In some countries, we have this thing called rain. Jun 26 23:11:38 lol Jun 26 23:11:38 MohammadAG51: Hence, we invented ceilings. Jun 26 23:12:04 the widget is fine, ten hours of tracking eats less than half the battery with an active bt headset connection open Jun 26 23:12:51 SpeedEvil, that's a workaround, not a fix Jun 26 23:13:57 TomaszD: Sure - but I for some reason like to test this stuff. Jun 26 23:14:08 Well - like may be strong. Jun 26 23:14:29 SpeedEvil, sure, the more scrutiny the better Jun 26 23:14:56 it's not I'll find 9 people to vote for this anytime soon here Jun 26 23:15:01 sorry, 8 now Jun 26 23:15:23 *it's not like Jun 26 23:15:29 I'm tired Jun 26 23:16:00 yeah. The testing process could do with some improvements. Jun 26 23:16:07 or some good will Jun 26 23:16:12 both I guess Jun 26 23:19:33 that gps correlate gui thing is also cool, but it's still in devel Jun 26 23:19:51 gps correlate? Jun 26 23:20:09 yeah, for geotagging photos using gpx files and whatnot Jun 26 23:20:23 I used it for my last bike trip, worked sweet Jun 26 23:20:30 I keep meaning to write something to patch https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 Jun 26 23:20:31 Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) Jun 26 23:20:44 you diddn't use the internal camera? Jun 26 23:21:00 nah, I used my trusty fuji f60fd Jun 26 23:21:16 I just put the pictures onto the n900 and used the gpx file generated by the widget Jun 26 23:21:42 the gui is hildonized Jun 26 23:22:56 put the pictures onto? Jun 26 23:22:59 oh - SD? Jun 26 23:23:58 yes Jun 26 23:25:13 wait, so the n900 really is geotagging photos? I thought it was just a joke feature, like putting the name of the town instead of the coordinates in exif Jun 26 23:25:54 and you do need a data connection for this at all times, or not? Jun 26 23:26:53 no - it really does put in the coordinates Jun 26 23:27:04 and you don't - I think - need a data connection. Jun 26 23:27:49 It doesn't try gps for very long Jun 26 23:28:10 well if I already have a fix from tracking anyway Jun 26 23:28:13 TomaszD: yes, some guy came in here some time ago, claiming the N900 was flucking up the geotagging, when really he'd forgotten to active the feature in picasa Jun 26 23:28:16 then I don't need a connection Jun 26 23:28:28 s/active/activate Jun 26 23:28:38 When I used n900 offline I had gpsjinni or location-test running to keep gps active, without data it doesn't get town names but it does put in coordinates Jun 26 23:29:00 which are a lot more important than town names Jun 26 23:29:01 that's good to know Jun 26 23:29:12 considering that most of the time, you don't care about the town name, you just want to see an icon on a map Jun 26 23:29:23 although I do think that the sharing plugins strip that info upon upload, no? Jun 26 23:29:29 no Jun 26 23:30:26 alright then, cool. I won't have to manually geotag at least the pictures from the n900 now Jun 26 23:30:39 anyway, I'm out, later Jun 26 23:30:42 later Jun 26 23:30:55 is the "rounding" error on geotagging fixed? Jun 26 23:31:35 11.9653 -> 11.9000 or sth like that Jun 26 23:31:53 the bug report doesn't seem to confirm or deny anything, it's been dead for months Jun 26 23:32:54 TomaszD: bugnr? Jun 26 23:33:13 6584 Jun 26 23:33:22 bug #6584 Jun 26 23:33:23 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) Jun 26 23:33:36 I guess I'll keep the manual geotagging method going then, just need to remember to sync the clocks... Jun 26 23:36:17 When Monday comes I will fuck Nokia over Jun 26 23:36:19 * pahartik finds out that "Nokia N900" cannot actually be charged through "Nokia CA-100" at all, no matter whether external power is provided for laptop workstation Jun 26 23:36:27 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 26 23:38:52 bug #6443 Jun 26 23:38:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6443 Non-Latin alphabet used (for Location status) when device settings are English Jun 26 23:39:14 bug #4451 Jun 26 23:39:15 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4451
    lists are not formatted properly Jun 26 23:40:35 Argh. Jun 26 23:41:08 What is that app that allows me to categorise the app list into uset chosen folders. I can't check on the n900 ATM as I can't move it or my connection will fall over. Jun 26 23:41:30 Had this (http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=43067) problem yesterday after dropping the phone. Also had constant reboots that would not get beyond the initial NOKIA bootup screen. Phone is only three days old. bah. Updating the firmware worked the first time, but then got this (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35125) when adding entry to contact list. Reflashing then failed, as did eMCC flash. Can anyone offer advise? Jun 26 23:41:33 catorise ? Jun 26 23:41:44 Why is the locale settings completely fucked up? I have my phone language as Swedish but the date format becomes YY/MM//DD when I want it to be DD/MM/YY Jun 26 23:41:48 SpeedEvil: catorise Jun 26 23:42:00 pahartik: I thought that was clear from what I answered to your previous comment in this issue? Jun 26 23:42:05 DrGrov, regional settings? Jun 26 23:42:10 ShadowJK: ah yes' Jun 26 23:42:22 ShadowJK: I fucking hate becoming confused with that odd format Jun 26 23:42:35 DrGrov: naah - not that Jun 26 23:43:03 SpeedEvil: ok, I can check further if you like. I think I know what you mean Jun 26 23:43:29 ShadowJK: any way to get it working properly as possible? If I change language to Finnish it is like DD/MM//YY? Jun 26 23:44:17 DrGrov: As I understand it, there is no way to independantly set the date format Jun 26 23:44:20 wait you get different date format between finnish and swedish language setting? Jun 26 23:44:46 Yes Jun 26 23:44:53 I think so that I get a different Jun 26 23:44:57 that sounds fucked Jun 26 23:45:13 Usually Swedish people use YY/MM/DD but in Finland we use of course DD/MM/YY Jun 26 23:45:37 I have no tried to change it to a different one yet though, to Finnish that is but I predict it will be DD/MM/YY Jun 26 23:45:39 oh I thought sweden did dd-mm-yy too Jun 26 23:45:56 ShadowJK: no, unfortunately not. Jun 26 23:46:13 I though prefer to have my phone in Swedish since I am a bilingual speaker Jun 26 23:46:31 DrGrov: maybe resorting to generic unix methods for setting those details could help? Jun 26 23:46:34 SpeedEvil: Nokia Care will get one mean fucking angry call on Monday morning Jun 26 23:46:41 lol Jun 26 23:47:03 DocScrutinizer2: ah yes, perhaps that is the way to do things :) thanks. btw, you want the 1 charger I found? The old Nokia -> N900 usb? Jun 26 23:47:16 emja: can you pastebin the output of 'df' on the device? Jun 26 23:47:17 ShadowJK: I mean it is so irritating to be able to check logs and SMS Jun 26 23:47:19 why not Jun 26 23:47:40 SpeedEvil: will do. three mins. Jun 26 23:47:48 I mean it's not as revampable as I thought, but anyway... Jun 26 23:47:53 DocScrutinizer2: I hope we are talking about the same charger then. It is that 2 wholes becoming a usb charger for the n900. you mean that one as well? Jun 26 23:48:03 yes Jun 26 23:48:11 DocScrutinizer2: ok, good. Jun 26 23:48:15 DrGrov, I just use english ;-) Jun 26 23:48:17 CA-146C Jun 26 23:48:29 DocScrutinizer2: Since if you do not take it I will burn it to the fucking ground..... Jun 26 23:48:34 Yes, CA-146C Jun 26 23:49:07 and finland as region. I probably wouldn't notice funny date formats, I'm too used to reading random date formats.. Jun 26 23:49:12 if you don't mind sending it, I'll happily add it to my heap of auxiliary devices Jun 26 23:49:54 as I killed one of the 2 I got, yesterday Jun 26 23:50:06 brb Jun 26 23:50:31 you killed a ca-146c? Jun 26 23:51:06 ShadowJK: yes -> http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10024 Jun 26 23:51:13 DocScrutinizer2: Yes, I think you did... However, I thought it was charged before... Supposedly I just did not pay attention to charging status back then Jun 26 23:52:46 DocScrutinizer2, (ovi.com) scary, I gave up halfway through last time I tried make an account Jun 27 00:00:41 SpeedEvil: sorry for delay, had to install ssh to get output. couldn't start browser. http://pastebin.com/B9Dum3u9 Jun 27 00:03:05 DocScrutinizer2: Where should I send the charger then? Jun 27 00:04:01 mompls eting chicken wings :-P Jun 27 00:04:42 DrGrov, south .fi, pampas or other? :P Jun 27 00:04:47 wtf? Jun 27 00:04:50 pampas Jun 27 00:05:09 * ShadowJK too Jun 27 00:05:16 ah, interesting Jun 27 00:05:39 How can I do control shift? Jun 27 00:06:08 pyther, gravitational or time based? Jun 27 00:06:15 with very slender finger Jun 27 00:06:16 s Jun 27 00:07:01 * lcuk just does a mini vulcan grip Jun 27 00:07:25 lcuk: not sure I'm looking at the shortcuts and gestures wiki page Jun 27 00:07:31 gotta run, ttyl guys Jun 27 00:07:37 and it says ctrl + shift + x for xterm Jun 27 00:07:54 yes Jun 27 00:07:56 it is Jun 27 00:08:05 just put 2 fingers on the ctrl+shift Jun 27 00:08:08 then one more on x Jun 27 00:08:12 a mini vulcan grip Jun 27 00:08:21 my fingers are too big Jun 27 00:08:41 * lcuk just holds em together and pushes :S Jun 27 00:09:49 lol that actually works Jun 27 00:10:21 and now the whole phone crashed Jun 27 00:11:01 cure`, cute Jun 27 00:11:10 not kidding Jun 27 00:11:46 didnt think you were, what was happening at the time Jun 27 00:12:01 * lcuk throws a rock @ w00t_ Jun 27 00:12:16 tried to bring up a terminal again, but got the contact list instead since i was slow or something Jun 27 00:12:17 (it works, ctrl-sh-x) and that's actually more surprising than you might think, as Nokia EE messed up the kbd matrix. So such three letter combinations are failing more often than not Jun 27 00:12:32 ow. Jun 27 00:12:35 One quick question Jun 27 00:12:45 Can I alter the LED as well to blink in several different colors? Jun 27 00:12:54 * lcuk turned the shower off and was left with a whole dune in the bath Jun 27 00:12:56 I managed to alter it to show my device on as light blueish Jun 27 00:13:14 lcuk: now all you need is crabs to complete the beach atmosphere! Jun 27 00:13:16 DrGrov, the indicator led? Jun 27 00:13:16 err.. Jun 27 00:13:20 otoh you probably don't want crabs Jun 27 00:13:21 lcuk: yes Jun 27 00:13:22 w00t_, no crabs! Jun 27 00:13:26 LOL Jun 27 00:13:31 we have seashells Jun 27 00:13:38 SpeedEvil: any thoughts on that df output? Jun 27 00:13:43 lcuk: i would want to customize it even more for missed events like SMS and calls. Jun 27 00:13:52 DrGrov, cool Jun 27 00:13:54 like a multi flashing fucking nice disco ball Jun 27 00:14:03 did you ever see MohammadAG51's blinkenlights? Jun 27 00:14:11 lcuk: no, but I love to see them Jun 27 00:14:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II Jun 27 00:15:03 not HD quality? WTF? :) lol Jun 27 00:15:11 wtf? how'd he do taht? Jun 27 00:15:26 HD does not mean HighDef when discussing n900 mods Jun 27 00:15:27 hahaha Jun 27 00:15:57 dang, I've *really* gotta get my phone working now Jun 27 00:16:03 bleh Jun 27 00:16:48 emja, its nokia hardware - pretty much all devices need independent control of single leds around the body for various functions - that is carried through to the keymat too Jun 27 00:16:59 lcuk: but I want to watch videos only in HD :/ Jun 27 00:16:59 * emja nods Jun 27 00:17:14 on a non HD screen? Jun 27 00:17:56 DrGrov, just follow your nose and find the script and expand upon it :P Jun 27 00:18:00 lcuk, private council email to Quim. Jun 27 00:18:08 then it can be in realistic definition Jun 27 00:18:13 lcuk: I will nose myself to the script and penetrate it.... Jun 27 00:18:15 Can anyone recommend some good ringtones/alarms? Jun 27 00:18:20 lcuk, which could possibly be published, I guess. Jun 27 00:18:29 GAN900, since the reply was posted, wouldnt it also be good to post the mail Jun 27 00:18:36 MohammadAG51: I love that sequence of your LED :) It is so sexy Jun 27 00:18:42 * lcuk nods Jun 27 00:18:46 GAN900, it just makes sense Jun 27 00:18:48 pyther: I have ringtones for you if you like Jun 27 00:18:52 * MohammadAG51 thanks lcuk for helping him with that Jun 27 00:19:02 lcuk, well, the mail was that the MyNokia shit is stupid. ;) Jun 27 00:19:02 pyther: some really good ones actually. Perhaps I should link you to one so you can listen? Jun 27 00:19:19 FINALLY Jun 27 00:19:21 FOUND IT! Jun 27 00:19:22 AAARGH Jun 27 00:19:35 the LP5523 can do a lot of nice things for indicator LED which aren't supported by either the mce or the kernel driver Jun 27 00:19:41 The stupid Subtitle app will cause the stupid sound pause bug!!! Jun 27 00:19:42 >.< Jun 27 00:19:44 btw, stop mce, echo different brightnesses into the coloured leds, and you get a new colour (not the usual purple/cyan/orange) Jun 27 00:19:56 pyther: listen to these two... same song but a different start and end to them. Jun 27 00:20:08 pyther: http://colorama.chainformation.com/DotNet/MediaBank/DownloadFile.aspx?FileID=B87517992F7DCE71B674976B280257D2 Jun 27 00:20:17 pyther: http://colorama.chainformation.com/DotNet/MediaBank/DownloadFile.aspx?FileID=4FF3E350028D0CFCB92C3A87A57585B1 Jun 27 00:20:19 MohammadAG51: why stop mce for that? Jun 27 00:20:22 DocScrutinizer2, indeed, just make a script for it and it's epic Jun 27 00:20:32 even while stopping mce is a really bad idea Jun 27 00:20:36 DocScrutinizer2, it kills the brightness after 1 second Jun 27 00:20:48 even if i kill engine 1 and 2 Jun 27 00:20:57 That ringtone that I just posted a link to guys you should listen to Jun 27 00:20:58 MohammadAG51: that largely depends. not here usually Jun 27 00:21:23 DocScrutinizer2, you lost me on that one Jun 27 00:21:35 DrGrov: those are pretty good thanks Jun 27 00:21:45 pyther: you are welcome. Jun 27 00:21:59 pyther: i like them since they are not too long and loops nicely Jun 27 00:22:03 omg sand STILL in hair Jun 27 00:22:04 :S Jun 27 00:22:12 now time to just find an alarm Jun 27 00:22:14 pyther: of course I got more own ones that I cut and sampled from real songs Jun 27 00:23:00 MohammadAG51: lost you?? how that? my brightness settings aren't usually reset after 1s Jun 27 00:23:11 pyther: I am sure I find you a good alarm tone as well if you like. Can you accept DCC transfers? Jun 27 00:23:36 I'm sure I can, though I'm not sure I know how to in irssi :P Jun 27 00:23:48 pyther: ah, yes. i presume it is just /dcc accept Jun 27 00:23:59 pyther, ctrl shift p [ r [backspace] g x 1 Jun 27 00:24:07 or is it g x 2 Jun 27 00:24:08 ? Jun 27 00:24:27 * lcuk is not a console person Jun 27 00:24:28 DrGrov: give it a try Jun 27 00:25:43 MohammadAG51: try doing the brightness settings via ssh or in a script with initial sleep 20, so mce doesn't have to react to user interactive event (aka keypress) after brightness was set Jun 27 00:25:51 pyther: ok. i try to first find the tune I am suggesting to you as an alarm tune. Jun 27 00:26:03 pyther: I think the size is a bit big but should work out well. Jun 27 00:26:08 DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG51: lost you?? how that? my brightness settings aren't usually reset after 1s Jun 27 00:26:12 sec Jun 27 00:26:42 MohammadAG51: you're starting talking gibberish Jun 27 00:27:14 eco 255 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/brightness Jun 27 00:27:19 pyther: it is a whole song but the beginning is probably what you want to be good? Jun 27 00:27:27 do that, as root, it will last less than a second Jun 27 00:27:53 DrGrov: I'm not sure what you asking you can send the whole thing to me Jun 27 00:27:58 MohammadAG51: can't you listen or what's up with you, dude? Jun 27 00:27:58 pyther: i am sending it now... see it? Jun 27 00:28:33 DocScrutinizer, no, i just missed your message after that one :P Jun 27 00:28:38 DrGrov: yah let me google how to accept it :P Jun 27 00:29:04 pyther: i resend it now Jun 27 00:29:23 DocScrutinizer, oh, you're right Jun 27 00:29:46 MohammadAG51: that's entirely new to you? I'm usually right Jun 27 00:30:24 DocScrutinizer, i was going to say 'as always', but it's 3:31 AM so i cba to type long stuff Jun 27 00:30:29 pyther: got it? Jun 27 00:30:32 there are even dudes that hate me for being *always* right, as they say Jun 27 00:30:52 DrGrov: yes, thank you Jun 27 00:31:25 pyther: you are welcome :) i use that Californication theme as my ringtone at the moment. Actually that ringtone is the longest ringtone on any phone that I had :) Jun 27 00:31:35 DocScrutinizer, lol Jun 27 00:31:36 pyther: Before I changed ringtones every 2-3 days Jun 27 00:31:51 pyther: what do you think about it? Jun 27 00:32:12 I like it Jun 27 00:32:25 a little different than what I'm use to, but I think it works well as a ringtone Jun 27 00:35:04 good Jun 27 00:35:07 sleepy time... Jun 27 00:36:35 o/ for the night Jun 27 00:37:52 Stupid question but where am I suppost to put my music and my ringtones on the N900? I connectecd via the usb cable as a mass storage device Jun 27 00:38:23 .sounds perhaps Jun 27 00:38:47 ahh good guess helps if I display hidden files :P Jun 27 00:38:50 so do I re-re-re-re-flash my n900? or is there something else I should be doing? Jun 27 00:39:25 emja: As I understand it, you have no mmc0 device. This is the emmc Jun 27 00:39:46 SpeedEvil: I don't know what you mean Jun 27 00:39:49 emja: This means that it's been mechanically damaged - a couple of other people have also reported this. Jun 27 00:39:54 *snap* Jun 27 00:40:03 ah crap Jun 27 00:40:24 (01:17:09 AM) SpeedEvil: emja: Unfortunately, major problems. Jun 27 00:40:24 (01:17:24 AM) SpeedEvil: emja: I would guess that that is a PR1.1 device? Jun 27 00:40:25 (01:18:21 AM) SpeedEvil: You should also have stuff in mmcblk0 - which is the inbuilt MMC Jun 27 00:40:25 (01:18:24 AM) SpeedEvil: /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1864604 94748 95% /home Jun 27 00:40:25 (01:18:24 AM) SpeedEvil: /home/opt 2064208 1864604 94748 95% /opt Jun 27 00:40:26 brand-new phone. crap Jun 27 00:40:33 Sorry - may have gotten discoed. Jun 27 00:40:35 ahh, ok Jun 27 00:40:57 any idea if it may be serviceable? Jun 27 00:41:04 SpeedEvil: or is it a throw-away? Jun 27 00:41:23 I wonder if /dev/mmcblk0 exists? Jun 27 00:42:04 ShadowJK: this is all I've got: http://ron.fabre.id.au/n900.out Jun 27 00:42:16 but the out of memory messages suggest swap failed too, so that'd hint about big problems with the emmc :( Jun 27 00:42:35 ah, that makes sense Jun 27 00:42:54 emja: It is in principle servicable, but it is not as I understand it something a normal nokia care centre would do, they would replace the board. Jun 27 00:43:09 SpeedEvil: translation: $$$ Jun 27 00:43:43 http://pastebin.ca/1890132 Jun 27 00:43:49 it should be free under warranty Jun 27 00:43:58 unless the phone is obviously damaged by the fall Jun 27 00:44:01 SpeedEvil: not if they realie I dropped it Jun 27 00:44:07 SpeedEvil: nope, no obvious damage Jun 27 00:44:24 SpeedEvil: but I expect there'd be an impact detector inside Jun 27 00:46:17 nope Jun 27 00:47:03 DocScrutinizer: nope? Jun 27 00:47:29 as long as the LCD survives the drop, it's been not exceeding the specs of what the device should be able to cope with Jun 27 00:47:39 LCD is perfect Jun 27 00:47:42 They will even replace it if you take it apart, and take pictures. Jun 27 00:47:44 :) Jun 27 00:47:52 you're shitting me! crickey Jun 27 00:47:54 IIRC it's specified for 80cm drop test Jun 27 00:48:07 SpeedEvil: shutup!! Jun 27 00:48:08 amazing Jun 27 00:49:15 emja: a normal 'harmless' drop isn't anything the device should respond to by losing its eMMC Jun 27 00:49:29 so clearly a case covered by warranty Jun 27 00:49:46 DocScrutinizer: ok, I can hope. many thanks Jun 27 00:49:51 yw Jun 27 00:50:15 SpeedEvil: thx Jun 27 00:50:59 Good luck. Jun 27 00:51:25 SpeedEvil: btw they did nor replace, they just fixed the main flat connector Jun 27 00:52:16 and that one evidently isn't related to disassembling the lower half Jun 27 00:52:53 and they borked the powerswitch while doing so :-P Jun 27 00:52:55 DocScrutinizer: ah Jun 27 00:53:10 DocScrutinizer: that's the board-flex connector? Jun 27 00:53:20 yes Jun 27 00:53:22 is there also another connector on the LCD side of the flex? Jun 27 00:53:35 nope Jun 27 00:53:41 not afaik Jun 27 00:53:51 I suppose the LCD is a cheapish part to replace Jun 27 00:53:54 as mentioend above I never had a look on that part Jun 27 00:54:03 Much cheaper than the board anyway Jun 27 00:55:22 they just had to replace the flec-PCB, holding the frontcam, the earpiece, the prox sensor, indicator LED, ... I know the LCD is a separate component that had no need to replace Jun 27 00:55:29 ah Jun 27 00:55:32 flex* Jun 27 01:23:52 hi, a quick question guys - i read somewhere that maemo is being discontinued bynokia Jun 27 01:24:30 sorry, alrady had a shell in here Jun 27 01:24:40 i read that maemo is being dced by nokia Jun 27 01:24:45 im just thinking of getting a n900 Jun 27 01:24:49 ripmaemo can not be 'discontinued' Jun 27 01:24:56 sorry DocScrutinizer Jun 27 01:25:00 i mean is nokia going to stop using it? Jun 27 01:25:18 my choice is apple (closed gayness), andorid (google :() and nokia (maemo) Jun 27 01:25:24 my current phone is an e71, i love it Jun 27 01:25:27 always liked nokia products Jun 27 01:25:28 nokia will use the successor meego in future devices Jun 27 01:25:32 ok Jun 27 01:25:40 why the name change? Jun 27 01:25:42 meego is compatible to maemo Jun 27 01:26:03 name changed because meego is a merger of maemo and moblin Jun 27 01:26:06 i dont really understand their relationship - could i have a link taht explaisn it? Jun 27 01:26:10 ok Jun 27 01:26:13 still linux Jun 27 01:26:15 still gpl? Jun 27 01:26:22 yes, even more Jun 27 01:26:22 yes Jun 27 01:26:28 <3 nokia Jun 27 01:26:46 so, should i prolly wait for the next device from nokia Jun 27 01:26:51 nah, I wouldn't go that far. but yes, meego isn't that bad Jun 27 01:26:54 or will the n900 ez upgrade to meego? Jun 27 01:27:25 also, is teh n900 open spec, as in at some point if nokia says they wont support it anymore can i just run deb or something on it/ Jun 27 01:27:28 the n900 will happily live with maemo until it falls to dust Jun 27 01:28:00 i mean security updates Jun 27 01:28:02 etc. Jun 27 01:28:04 new kernels Jun 27 01:28:15 lastnode: maemo is sufficiently open spec so it'll never die Jun 27 01:28:31 i mean will there be an active dev community around maemo? Jun 27 01:28:35 kernel updates are backported easily Jun 27 01:28:37 it only runs on one device atm right? Jun 27 01:29:18 and eventually community will backport meego to n900 Jun 27 01:29:22 ok Jun 27 01:29:33 will installing the backport void warranties etc? Jun 27 01:29:40 nope Jun 27 01:30:19 ...unless the backport requires you to solder the debug pins back on Jun 27 01:30:25 :P Jun 27 01:30:28 but Nokia *might* provide closed source applications for meego devices that can't be backported Jun 27 01:30:39 ew Jun 27 01:30:46 * tripzero wouldn't be surprised Jun 27 01:30:57 the iphon4's hd video etc looks attractive Jun 27 01:31:02 but ive always favoured an open platform Jun 27 01:31:17 and i saw that you can run debian packaegs inside a chroot Jun 27 01:31:18 then n900 is for you Jun 27 01:31:27 and i was like <3 Jun 27 01:31:43 the shell app for the iphone is 99$ Jun 27 01:31:45 don't worry about meego or nokia Jun 27 01:31:46 t_t Jun 27 01:31:50 sorry Jun 27 01:31:51 er Jun 27 01:31:52 0.99$ Jun 27 01:32:04 do any of you acutally have the n900 atm? Jun 27 01:32:13 sure Jun 27 01:32:21 i was just wondering how zippy isit? Jun 27 01:32:25 probably 90% of the users here Jun 27 01:32:39 it's just what I need Jun 27 01:32:42 i sually like to hava browser, putty, mail, im open Jun 27 01:32:51 wondering if the proessor/ram can handle that Jun 27 01:32:56 *IM Jun 27 01:32:58 easily Jun 27 01:33:12 comes out of the box Jun 27 01:33:26 and runs like a charm Jun 27 01:33:48 it's 650$ here in sri lanka Jun 27 01:33:52 i might try and trade in my e71 Jun 27 01:34:53 ive been comparing on gsmarena Jun 27 01:34:59 the n900 seems to have less battery life htan the e71 Jun 27 01:35:11 what is your experience with that DocScrutinizer Jun 27 01:35:21 n900 battery seems reasonable to me Jun 27 01:35:28 (btw ive read a ton of reviews, watched a ton of youtube vides, not just riding off you guys here) Jun 27 01:35:47 ok Jun 27 01:35:48 I got close to 36hrs with wifi, gps, bluetooth all running Jun 27 01:35:56 how does the touch screen compare to the iphone's touch screen? Jun 27 01:36:14 I can't compare, I haven't used the iphone Jun 27 01:36:39 but it seems ok. occasionally I had problems but I assumed it my lack of accuracy Jun 27 01:36:51 very 'swish' Jun 27 01:36:53 :) Jun 27 01:37:26 ok Jun 27 01:37:37 iphone might be 'shiney', but n900 is very customisable. more a computer than a phone Jun 27 01:37:55 but then I've only got 72hrs experience with it. Jun 27 01:37:58 icve been watching it for a year Jun 27 01:38:03 dropped it. busted it. Jun 27 01:38:04 * emja sobs Jun 27 01:38:11 what Jun 27 01:38:14 oh noes Jun 27 01:38:22 my fault Jun 27 01:38:32 pretty solid thump. hardly surprising Jun 27 01:38:49 no warranty for accidental damage? Jun 27 01:38:54 screen didn't fail though Jun 27 01:39:10 lastnode: no real physical evidence of drop Jun 27 01:39:31 It is designed as a phone. Jun 27 01:39:49 You are supposed to not be required to carry it around in bubblewrap all teh time. Jun 27 01:39:56 SpeedEvil: sure, but the rest of the capabilities outshine the phone Jun 27 01:40:04 heh, true Jun 27 01:40:21 the email client,d oes it require you to sign upo for nokia messsaging? Jun 27 01:40:29 regardless of the fault with mine, I've not seen a more solid phone for more than a decade Jun 27 01:40:35 seriously Jun 27 01:40:54 it's not a flimsly plastic PoS Jun 27 01:46:13 if there's no evidence you dropped it, why not claim it just stopped working? Jun 27 01:49:33 lastnode: no Jun 27 01:49:48 well I'm using my own imap server with it Jun 27 01:50:43 thanks pyther Jun 27 01:50:56 messaging for the e71 requires you to make a nokia.com account Jun 27 01:50:57 btw Jun 27 01:51:12 when maemo is no longer supproted, will ota updates still work? Jun 27 01:51:16 automagic updates i maen Jun 27 02:02:51 yes, with community driven repositories they will. But maemo isn't 'unsupported' yet Jun 27 02:03:27 for mail - you can configure whatever pop3 or imap account you like Jun 27 02:07:25 DocScrutinizer: nokia will likely contonue to support it for the product lifetime then? Jun 27 02:09:11 lastnode: that seems to be the way it's going, yes. Jun 27 02:10:45 okcool Jun 27 02:11:45 is there anyw ay to run android apps on maemo? Jun 27 02:12:32 nope Jun 27 02:13:02 lastnode: A number of people have reportedly had it working. Jun 27 02:13:12 presumably in a chroot? Jun 27 02:13:15 However - they have not revealed how they did it, or shared wource Jun 27 02:13:19 my last worry would be mameo apps Jun 27 02:13:20 source Jun 27 02:13:25 will meego apps be backportable to maemo? Jun 27 02:13:36 i just dont want to buy a phone which ppl wont be writing apps for Jun 27 02:13:38 if you get what i mean Jun 27 02:13:39 SpeedEvil: are you referring to the Android -port- or some project that runs the android apps on Mameo? Jun 27 02:13:41 maemo* Jun 27 02:14:03 With Qt apps, the idea is that you can write once, and have it run on symbian, meego, and maemo Jun 27 02:14:08 At least as I understand it. Jun 27 02:14:13 microlith: err - the former - oops Jun 27 02:16:25 emja: you said you purchaed the n900 recently - where from? (which country) and how much? if you dont mind me asking Jun 27 02:18:25 lastnode: Australia Jun 27 02:18:57 lastnode: I got it on a plan. An outright purchase would have been $809, I got it at ~$670 on the plan Jun 27 02:19:15 of course the plan price is bogus. they can make up any number they want Jun 27 02:19:41 and Aust prices are usually *much* higher than elsewhere. Prices are inflated here Jun 27 02:20:00 yeah asme here emja Jun 27 02:20:02 (sri lanka) Jun 27 02:21:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3wPBcmSb2U Jun 27 02:21:12 oops Jun 27 02:28:30 lastnode: you won't see an official MeeGo phone tomorrow (Jun 28) Jun 27 02:28:40 or even the next day (Jun 29) Jun 27 02:28:47 haha ok Jun 27 02:28:57 rough timeline? Jun 27 02:29:07 nope Jun 27 02:29:16 nokia doesn't announce those until it announces the phones Jun 27 02:29:26 you can look at past history to make a perhaps educated guess Jun 27 02:29:39 however management likes to take pride in surprising customers by being unpredictable Jun 27 02:30:50 nokia tends to announce products at a limited set of events Jun 27 02:31:04 you can generally assume a product won't magically appear *before* one of those events Jun 27 02:31:28 * timeless_mbp has no idea when those events are but is sure google would tell) Jun 27 02:32:21 thanks timeless_mbp Jun 27 02:33:31 i think you should probably figure out which sort of apps you expect to purchase Jun 27 02:33:44 there's already a fairly good commercial maps app for the n900 Jun 27 02:33:48 and it's 60EUR or so Jun 27 02:34:50 mostly im/irc/browsing Jun 27 02:34:58 not maps Jun 27 02:35:27 well, if you don't expect to need to buy any specific apps, then i'm not sure why you're worrying :) Jun 27 02:35:39 lastnode: that stuff should all be included Jun 27 02:35:48 well, irc you can get today Jun 27 02:35:53 from maemo-extras Jun 27 02:36:03 There is xchat, as well as pidgin, and ircii Jun 27 02:36:04 the others are part phone Jun 27 02:36:26 and the irc-conversations plugin Jun 27 02:37:36 tweaker and alarmed are two great apps to look at if you want multiple profiles and to have different profiles set at specific times Jun 27 02:38:52 ssh+irssi works nice. Jun 27 02:43:46 raster: moo Jun 27 02:46:20 yeah ill prolly ssh into this box and use irssi Jun 27 02:53:29 DocScrutinizer: docz! Jun 27 02:54:23 raster: how's linux? Jun 27 02:54:59 raster: drooling over your amoleds? :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 27 02:59:56 2010