**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 29 02:59:57 2010 Jun 29 03:00:00 DocScrutinizer: BOCHS to run Linux on N810 might have a real-world use Jun 29 03:00:23 since N810 is memory constrained, one might have an application that demands 196 MB RAM... Jun 29 03:00:37 mhm Jun 29 03:00:50 and since Linux has not yet been fully ported to N810, BOCHS would provide a common platform to run it Jun 29 03:00:57 therefore enabling use of ramzswap Jun 29 03:01:02 to compress memory Jun 29 03:01:06 :) Jun 29 03:01:08 luke-jr: I emulated a cray on my N810 last weekend Jun 29 03:02:22 has anyone figured out how to listen to iheartradio no the n900? Jun 29 03:02:38 heard somebody else used a nfs-mounted swap of 96GB and emulated google's cloud computing Jun 29 03:02:56 Jun 29 03:03:05 * DocScrutinizer off for breakfast Jun 29 03:03:52 DocScrutinizer: you can't even have 4 GB swap on a 32-bit platform Jun 29 03:04:25 luke-jr: you bet I can Jun 29 03:05:02 DocScrutinizer: no! Jun 29 03:05:09 I had on my P-II system ~2000, priority of the swap partitions 42, 41, 40 for the 3 HDD Jun 29 03:06:39 s/200/y2k Jun 29 03:12:56 luke-jr: (man 8 mkswap ->) Jun 29 03:13:00 The maximum useful size of a swap area depends on the architecture and the kernel version. It is roughly 2GiB on Jun 29 03:13:02 i386, PPC, m68k, ARM, 1GiB on sparc, 512MiB on mips, 128GiB on alpha and 3TiB on sparc64. For kernels after 2.3.3 Jun 29 03:13:03 there is no such limitation. Jun 29 03:14:08 luke-jr: there's no limitations on the number of swap areas used concurrently though (at least none I know of) Jun 29 03:25:13 (to be precise and non-abiguous I don't know of limitations of the total size of concurrently used swap areas - anyway since 2.3.3 it seems any worries about swap area size are completely moot) Jun 29 03:27:46 DocScrutinizer: 32-bit platforms by definition cannot address more than 4 GB memory Jun 29 03:28:36 luke-jr: per definition a single app can not address >4GB of virtual mem on a 32GB kernel Jun 29 03:29:10 not related to memory allocation LUT structure Jun 29 03:30:15 take it to #linux or #somewhereelse :p, g'night Jun 29 03:30:36 even a 32bit system might implement a 64bit (or whatever size) mmu subsystem Jun 29 03:34:48 s/32gb/32bit Jun 29 05:26:22 good morning... zzz... Jun 29 05:28:22 Everyone else are still sleeping? I need more coffee... Jun 29 05:29:57 mmm coffee Jun 29 05:30:40 Yeah.. my third cup so far. And I have been awake like half an hour... Jun 29 05:32:01 Time to go to work > Jun 29 05:39:13 COFFEE Jun 29 05:39:45 DEADBEEF Jun 29 05:39:47 damn, thought I was about to go to sleep Jun 29 05:39:58 You are asleep. Jun 29 05:40:45 you are a doghnut!!! YOU ARE A DOUGHNUT! Jun 29 05:41:27 Yea, I am a doughnut. And I am going to swallow you. Jun 29 05:41:35 listen to hypnotoad Jun 29 05:41:55 PREPARE TO BE DEVOURED BY A DOUGHNUT, YOU PUNY HUMAN Jun 29 05:44:52 hmhm, doughnuts Jun 29 05:49:44 IRC will kill me Jun 29 05:52:17 you're doing it wrong Jun 29 05:52:57 are you taliking to yourself Jun 29 05:54:04 @ work Jun 29 05:54:29 http://r33b.net/ Jun 29 05:55:02 DocScrutinizer: you seriously need to go and see a doctor :-D Jun 29 05:55:06 hey guys, I got a "2500mAh" battery for N900 Jun 29 05:55:16 how do I check the actual value? Jun 29 05:55:42 LiraNuna_: I bought also a "1950mAh" which could last two hours with full charge... Jun 29 05:56:01 it was 10$, I didn't REALLY expect it to be as such Jun 29 05:56:08 Mine was too :-P Jun 29 05:56:28 will BatteryGraph show me real mAh? Jun 29 05:56:32 charge completely, then take a 10Ohm,2W resistor and a voltmeter, and short the battery with resistor. Stop time until voltage drops to 3.0V Jun 29 05:56:33 LiraNuna_: No it will not. Jun 29 05:57:03 DocScrutinizer, I got none of that Jun 29 05:57:08 [sgx_misr] is locking up my N900 again :x Jun 29 05:57:12 DocScrutinizer: intresting, how do you count the mAh from that? Jun 29 05:57:31 then you're basically out of luck for getting accurate capacity Jun 29 05:57:47 DocScrutinizer, then, estimate? Jun 29 05:58:18 LiraNuna_: Charge it up and stick it in your N900. Then use the phone as you normally do and see how long it will last and then compare it to the original. Jun 29 05:58:30 For rough estimate.. Jun 29 05:58:35 but thing is Jun 29 05:58:35 D-Iivil: rather simple: assume battery is ~3.7V avrg, then there will be 370mA flowing over the resistor, this makes 370mAh/h Jun 29 05:58:39 DocScrutinizer put the fingers in the electril plug Jun 29 05:58:50 same battery - and my N900 will discharge one day in an abnormal rate Jun 29 05:59:01 DocScrutinizer: Aaah, ofcourse. My brains aren't working yet. Jun 29 05:59:22 ZogG: I once did that when I was like five years old. Jun 29 05:59:40 D-Iivil did you like it? Jun 29 05:59:47 LiraNuna_: one day is not that abnormal Jun 29 05:59:51 ZogG: Though I didn't directly stick my fingers, I had two wires I used :-D Jun 29 06:00:04 Corsac, "one day" was not a time frame Jun 29 06:00:12 D-Iivil, you always was a clever boy Jun 29 06:00:14 ho, sorry Jun 29 06:00:18 some days the battery lasts for 6 hours, others I can get 11 hours Jun 29 06:00:18 LiraNuna_: you could use a incandecent bulb of a torch or bike lamp Jun 29 06:00:18 All I remember was that big "flames" came out from the wall socket and I was scared like hell :D Jun 29 06:01:21 LiraNuna_: that depends how much is consumed by WLAN & 3G, and of course by high load on CPU Jun 29 06:01:31 and by duration of backlight on Jun 29 06:01:52 DocScrutinizer, almost the same values, I can give you batterygraph graphs Jun 29 06:02:23 I'm speaking about 10% loss in 40 minutes when the phone is in my pocket Jun 29 06:02:40 batterygraph is nonsense (sorry), as it tells you about nothing and adds to cpu load Jun 29 06:03:03 I see Jun 29 06:03:24 * LiraNuna_ goes back to coding a google maps client for N900 Jun 29 06:03:56 LiraNuna_ any beta preview or only started? Jun 29 06:04:07 more like alpha Jun 29 06:04:26 I want to get it to a state where I check if pure 2D accel is better than 3D Jun 29 06:04:36 just yesterday I heard batgraph or bateye is causing 60 IRQ/s Jun 29 06:04:39 I've noticed Mapparo uses simple blitbit for drawing Jun 29 06:04:50 and it's slow Jun 29 06:05:52 I'm wondering how noticable it will be using OGL ES Jun 29 06:06:19 Oookay.. time to work now. They are changing the tax percentage here in finland tomorrow and I need to do some heavy database calculation to get all our webshops to use the correct tax. Plaah. Jun 29 06:06:43 DocScrutinizer, I concur. Jun 29 06:09:18 it's kinda like using a 2kW flood lamp to illumiate the electric meter of your mains installation, to video the power your frige is using Jun 29 06:09:58 ^ lol Jun 29 06:32:17 tebay.de Jun 29 06:32:28 ups wrong window, sorry Jun 29 06:32:37 Argh... I would like to KILL our former IT-guy. Jun 29 06:33:18 D-Iivil: that'll land you in jail for sure Jun 29 06:34:42 luke-jr: I think that guy who hard codes stuff into formulas should be killed without penalties. Jun 29 06:35:39 isent being killed... the penality? Jun 29 06:36:08 Why on earth he didn't use variables that ALREADY EXISTED! Instead that dumb ass wrote the values directly into the source. Jun 29 06:36:17 ham5: I mean penalty for the one that kills the guy. Jun 29 06:38:11 And now I have like ~100 php files to dig through and manually seek through the formulas and transform all wrong values into variables. Search & replace won't do the work here since the same number is used in other places too and those should not be changed. Fuck fuck fuckedi fuck. Jun 29 06:38:18 * D-Iivil gets more coffee Jun 29 06:42:37 D-Iivil: time to fire the guy who hired that crack Jun 29 06:43:31 DocScrutinizer: well.. it's kind a hard to do since it was the manager who did the hiring. And probably hired me since the guy didn't know what he was doing. Jun 29 06:54:34 <_0x47> Morning guys! I really need libsdl-mixer1.2 to be updated. Who could help me? X-Fade seems to be gone for some reason... :/ Jun 29 06:57:44 Argharghargh. Time for break now... Jun 29 06:58:12 Btw, can someone tell me what should a put on .desktop -file to run a shell script without opening the terminal window? Jun 29 07:09:34 morning Jun 29 07:10:49 is it possible to configure scratchbox with two armel targets such that one compiles for pr1.1.1 and the other for 1.2? if so, any information on how to do that? Jun 29 07:12:34 D-Iivil: possibly '/bin/sh -c /path/to/yoscript 1>/dev/null 2>&1' Jun 29 07:14:33 there is one thing that's worrying me Jun 29 07:14:36 well 2 things Jun 29 07:14:47 maybe just one Jun 29 07:14:56 that i'm really rude and insulting to other people Jun 29 07:15:03 and nobody seems to have problem with it Jun 29 07:16:59 jacekowski, it's okay, me too, but people say i'm not like this and i'm kindhearted, just deep inside - they dont realize i'm not =) Jun 29 07:18:09 * DocScrutinizer51 cackles and :-x Jun 29 07:18:14 DocScrutinizer51: seems to work just putting "sudo myscript" into Exec -field Jun 29 07:18:35 or that :) Jun 29 07:22:36 <_0x47> D-Iivil: terminal=false Jun 29 07:23:00 <_0x47> with capital T Jun 29 07:28:14 oO Jun 29 07:28:15 .text:00019C78 AND R3, R3, #0x70 Jun 29 07:28:15 .text:00019C7C CMP R3, #0x30 ; '0' Jun 29 07:28:15 .text:00019C80 BLS loc_19C20 ; jumptable 00019BCC cases 0,1,9,13 Jun 29 07:28:42 0x70 == 0b1110000 Jun 29 07:28:56 hmmm Jun 29 07:29:00 nvm Jun 29 07:32:45 hmm, would need 30min ARM asm crashcourse to digest that Jun 29 07:33:02 AND - binary and Jun 29 07:33:06 CMP - compare Jun 29 07:33:12 BLS - branch if lower than Jun 29 07:33:19 hmm Jun 29 07:33:41 what's a cmp with 3 args? Jun 29 07:33:42 thing is that code is responsible for terminating charging Jun 29 07:33:50 that's after ; Jun 29 07:33:52 ; - comment Jun 29 07:34:19 aah Jun 29 07:34:49 HCF - halt and catch fire Jun 29 07:34:54 Nokia 12 here Jun 29 07:35:22 RST38h: LOL Jun 29 07:36:20 thing is that it seems to set up charge termination to quite low value Jun 29 07:36:23 but it's still there Jun 29 07:43:10 hmm I'm getting segfaults but I can't seem to disassemble output from gdb Jun 29 07:43:16 this is with qt Creater Jun 29 07:43:30 would love to troubleshoot this Jun 29 07:49:51 Stskeeps: around? :) Jun 29 08:01:18 is uh. anyone here capable of looking atmy battery graph screenshot and telling me if something is catastrophically wrong. Jun 29 08:01:44 guess you're having same problem than me Jun 29 08:01:55 the graph goes like \ Jun 29 08:02:17 haven't yet solved why it' so Jun 29 08:02:33 yeaah Jun 29 08:02:37 3/3.5g is like Jun 29 08:02:40 mine's like /(some 7 hour use)\ Jun 29 08:02:42 a percentage a minute. Jun 29 08:03:09 like really really. my 40 minute commute home takes about half the battery Jun 29 08:03:11 just to sit o msn Jun 29 08:03:27 something wrong with msn? Jun 29 08:03:38 yeah, it exists Jun 29 08:03:43 mine did go down rapidly as I was sleeping Jun 29 08:03:59 so I didn't do anything but had alarm waiting Jun 29 08:05:21 well, its cpu usage isnt through the roof or anything. Jun 29 08:05:26 ill screenshot. Jun 29 08:05:28 I had battery issues with fm widgets before. they have a bad habbit of teasing fm transmitter just to poll if it's on or not. I removed the widgets and everything when fine but now, yesterday it satsrted again Jun 29 08:06:19 tristan: if it's discharging in ~90mins the phone will be warm Jun 29 08:06:21 One of those widgets probably infected another widget in your device Jun 29 08:06:36 so that infected widget is also polling the fm transmitter now Jun 29 08:06:40 RST38h: as I said it was fine for weeks Jun 29 08:06:52 incubation period. Jun 29 08:06:58 then the facebook widget will stand up and say I am Legend on all 3 rows Jun 29 08:07:47 http://omploader.org/vNHM0dA/battery.png Jun 29 08:08:00 hmm interesting Jun 29 08:08:03 i dont notice it being especially warm. ill pay muich closer attention tommorow to heat. Jun 29 08:08:12 you can see when my lunch breaks are :/ Jun 29 08:08:24 but the usage for the trip home is just extreme. Jun 29 08:08:26 well CPU load is running about 40% for an hour Jun 29 08:08:40 tristan: when that started for you? Jun 29 08:08:50 since i got the phone. its only a few days old. Jun 29 08:08:59 oh, okay Jun 29 08:09:00 when he installed batgraph :-P Jun 29 08:09:09 do you use devel? Jun 29 08:09:15 it seems pidgin might be horribly optimized. Jun 29 08:09:19 i have the repository enabled, yes. Jun 29 08:09:27 pidgin isn't optomized... Jun 29 08:09:44 I'm guessing that some new devel update did something awful to my phone Jun 29 08:09:49 * DocScrutinizer51 sighs Jun 29 08:09:57 hmm. so is that sort of load from pidgin fairly normal. Jun 29 08:10:23 tristan: what are you doing that's pushed the cpu load up? Jun 29 08:10:37 tonight i had pidgin open talking to one person on msn. and checked facebook once. Jun 29 08:10:45 over a 3g data connection Jun 29 08:11:01 so my phone did use 70 % of battery in 3 hours, when I was sleeping Jun 29 08:11:39 Scelt: were you on eg? Jun 29 08:11:40 3g Jun 29 08:11:44 tristan: so, for 1 hour your had the phone open, were browsing fb and chatting on msn? turn the screen brightness down Jun 29 08:11:52 its on the middle setting. Jun 29 08:11:58 BCMM: ye, as I've been for months now Jun 29 08:12:01 but may have been adjusting itself, im unsure how the sensor works. Jun 29 08:12:14 Scelt: i mean, were you using 3g data? Jun 29 08:12:26 BCMM: naah, internet connection was down Jun 29 08:12:28 actually it was set on two bars. brightness. with the simple ap. Jun 29 08:12:51 there must be someting else, the only widget i have is conversations. Jun 29 08:12:54 tristan: run top next time and see what's generating all the cpu load Jun 29 08:12:57 Scelt: how that? Jun 29 08:13:04 check. Jun 29 08:13:07 and I only have 3 widgets: calendar, foreca and nameday Jun 29 08:13:11 does brightness change if you don't have simple brightness installed? Jun 29 08:13:20 DocScrutinizer51: wat? Jun 29 08:13:53 Scelt: got powertop? Jun 29 08:13:55 BCMM: yes, it always uses the ambient light sensor Jun 29 08:14:14 asj: does it still do that with simple brightness installed? Jun 29 08:14:23 cause i've noticed it blinding me in dark rooms Jun 29 08:14:26 BCMM: just cranks down the "gain" Jun 29 08:14:47 i will replicate it momentarily. Jun 29 08:14:55 BCMM: installing Jun 29 08:14:58 actually, the other day i saw it blind somebody who didn't seem geeky enough to have installed simple brightness Jun 29 08:15:00 BCMM: put your thumb over the sensor for 30seconds and you should see it get dimmer Jun 29 08:15:03 BCMM: simple brightness disables ALS on 5bars setting Jun 29 08:15:10 (the hell was a non-geek doing with an n900?) Jun 29 08:15:15 prolly a bug Jun 29 08:15:20 DocScrutinizer51: ah, that explains it Jun 29 08:15:29 heh, I never run 5 bars Jun 29 08:15:31 asj: ah, 30 seconds explains the other thing Jun 29 08:15:41 5 bars is pretty damn abrasive. Jun 29 08:15:47 it's weird, but in daylight, 5 bars seems "sharper" to me Jun 29 08:16:17 what';s a geek doing out in sunlight? Jun 29 08:16:27 asj: cycling :) Jun 29 08:16:36 im still uh, seeing a lot of duplicate processes too. Jun 29 08:16:42 that i would contend are closed. Jun 29 08:16:56 BCMM: gives segmentation fault Jun 29 08:17:05 Scelt: powertop does? Jun 29 08:17:10 Morning, all Jun 29 08:17:29 mo Jaffa Jun 29 08:17:31 BCMM: ye Jun 29 08:17:34 morning Jaffa Jun 29 08:18:00 Scelt: that's odd Jun 29 08:18:02 BCMM: but gives out some info before seg fault Jun 29 08:18:20 http://omploader.org/vNHM0dQ/ps.x.txt Jun 29 08:18:22 does this look odd Jun 29 08:18:38 MohammadAG51: can I bother you with one guestion again? :-D Jun 29 08:18:42 BCMM: C1 85,4 % 10,4ms 550 MHz 0.0% Jun 29 08:18:43 like, two address books, two image viewers. two xterms (when there is one) Jun 29 08:19:06 D-Iivil, lol you're not bothering me by asking questions Jun 29 08:19:12 crashanddie, ping? Jun 29 08:19:21 pong Jun 29 08:19:26 btw, I have see from ps that I have fmrx-enabled running all the time. is that okay? Jun 29 08:19:31 tristan: look at the pids, they are all children, etc. Jun 29 08:19:41 crashanddie, updated to 3.40? Jun 29 08:19:47 but. i dont see why they are open in the first place Jun 29 08:19:53 going to task manager, theres not a thing open. Jun 29 08:20:03 MohammadAG51: wait, wut? Context? Jun 29 08:20:06 perhaps this is the conversation widgets work. Jun 29 08:20:09 why isn't omploader.org in the first page of search results for omploader.org? Jun 29 08:20:14 (on google) Jun 29 08:20:14 crashanddie, ps3 Jun 29 08:20:23 MohammadAG51: dunno, maybe, not sure Jun 29 08:20:32 MohammadAG51: hah, okay :-P Do you know about .desktop -files? I want to run that shell script of mine without opening the xterm -window. Now I have it like this: Exec=sudo myscript, Terminal=false Jun 29 08:20:33 why? Jun 29 08:20:33 it was released today Jun 29 08:20:37 ah, then no Jun 29 08:20:45 MohammadAG51: but it still opens the xTerm window when tapping the shortcut. Jun 29 08:21:05 hmm Jun 29 08:21:14 What does StartupNotify -field do? Jun 29 08:21:24 not sure tbh Jun 29 08:21:29 Scelt: did you say you had the FM transmitter on all that time? Jun 29 08:21:41 ai ai ai am I blind or is there really no search function on the appinstaller ? Jun 29 08:22:00 MohammadAG51: okay, well, had to ask :) Jun 29 08:22:05 mirf: All apps - start typing Jun 29 08:22:12 mirf: select your category (or all) then start typing Jun 29 08:22:28 D-Iivil, i'm sure someone else here knows :) Jun 29 08:22:30 it did get less obvious in 1.2 Jun 29 08:22:34 but also easier and faster Jun 29 08:22:41 the thing i miss is listing apps by size Jun 29 08:22:48 (other than installed apps) Jun 29 08:22:57 sweet thank you Jun 29 08:23:01 since it is a consideration for me when there are multiple apps that do the same thing Jun 29 08:23:05 blah. i just dont know Jun 29 08:23:06 MohammadAG51: I already had this proposial, but after putting it this way, the shortcut won't do anything: '/bin/sh -c /path/to/yoscript 1>/dev/null 2>&1' Jun 29 08:23:10 I thought there had to be a search Jun 29 08:23:12 even if i trip my desktop of wigets theres so many things open in ps x. Jun 29 08:23:17 and since it is a nice way to make the desktop category not full of themes Jun 29 08:23:36 tristan: well, that's *nix for you really Jun 29 08:23:37 heh yeah there should be a theme category Jun 29 08:23:42 tristan: a lot of small programs Jun 29 08:23:42 D-Iivil, put it into a script and run that instead? Jun 29 08:23:46 BCMM: fm transmitter not on but ps has /usr/libexec/n900-fmrx-enabler --nodaemon Jun 29 08:23:56 but why is calendar running without being run. Jun 29 08:24:00 D-Iivil, see what I did with xarchiver Jun 29 08:24:03 Scelt: i don't know what that does Jun 29 08:24:04 and image viewer. i havent even opened it. Jun 29 08:24:07 my unix boxes dont do this:p Jun 29 08:24:08 MohammadAG51: umm... like doing another script which will launch the actual script? Jun 29 08:24:17 tristan: oh, those Jun 29 08:24:31 BCMM: me either Jun 29 08:24:32 D-Iivil, yeah Jun 29 08:24:43 tristan: yeah, i guess it keeps a bunch of the built-in stuff loaded in memory Jun 29 08:24:54 i doubt they use much CPU till they are activated though Jun 29 08:24:59 well thats just it, are they in the RAM or actually running Jun 29 08:25:00 MohammadAG51: ookay, I will download the source of xarchiver and see how you did it. Jun 29 08:25:02 mmm. Jun 29 08:25:13 it's so it can do tricks like "open lens cover, camera starts in no seconds flat" Jun 29 08:25:20 mmm. Jun 29 08:25:24 i guess thats a non issue then Jun 29 08:25:28 D-Iivil, or download the package itself, the script's in /usr/sbin/xarchiver Jun 29 08:25:30 BCMM: that's funny, pretty sure mine takes a number of seconds... Jun 29 08:25:52 which is nowhere near as annoying as the phone-call thing taking 5 seconds at least to change from landscape to portrait... Jun 29 08:26:02 MohammadAG51: will do that Jun 29 08:26:02 tristan: the next time you are commuting, have fb open and are doing msn via pidgin, THEN run top and see what's using cpu time Jun 29 08:26:39 i will connect to them now. Jun 29 08:27:13 lens open to camera visible = ~6 seconds Jun 29 08:27:59 BCMM: "sh: status: not found" says powertop Jun 29 08:28:06 luke-jr: ew Jun 29 08:28:07 luke-jr: for me, somewhere between 0 and 6 Jun 29 08:28:18 there must be a way to speed that up Jun 29 08:28:26 MohammadAG51: see no xarchiver under /usr/bin Jun 29 08:28:31 why there's no packages.maemo.org like in ubuntu or debian. would help Jun 29 08:28:38 Scelt: i'm afraid i haven't use powertop since my laptop died last year; probably ask somebody else Jun 29 08:28:43 ^used Jun 29 08:28:44 D-Iivil, /usr/sbin/runxarchiver Jun 29 08:28:53 BCMM: hugs and kisses anyhow Jun 29 08:30:35 wow. browser sitting at about 60% useage. Jun 29 08:30:43 going down to 30ish. Jun 29 08:31:05 id say thats the flash talking eh. Jun 29 08:31:16 I have flash block Jun 29 08:31:20 that's nice Jun 29 08:31:30 yar flash block ftw Jun 29 08:31:33 well its settled down to 1% just idling in the background Jun 29 08:31:35 and ad block Jun 29 08:31:41 pidgin oscillates up to around 30% then back to under 5. Jun 29 08:31:43 cock block Jun 29 08:32:02 MohammadAG51: hmm.. I don't get the point. You have that runxarchiver under the /usr/sbin and it includes one line (well two) which does something. Do you have a .desktop -file included also in the package? Jun 29 08:32:29 hi Jun 29 08:32:31 D-Iivil, of course, /usr/share/applications/hildon Jun 29 08:32:46 D-Iivil, but as you can see, it's a script that doesn't open xterm Jun 29 08:32:50 MohammadAG51: can't find xarchiver there. Is it some other name? Jun 29 08:33:14 nope, i'm sure it's there Jun 29 08:33:15 hmm yes. browser can comfortably use 60% while loading facecbook. Jun 29 08:33:45 /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger - that's indicating if dedicated charger is connected? Jun 29 08:33:52 xarchiver.desktop Jun 29 08:34:01 Is it possible to put a .deb on a web-server so that microb opens it with the app-manager? Jun 29 08:34:21 just put it on the server? Jun 29 08:34:31 why browserd "RTComMessagingServer" is using 9,6 % of ram all the time? Jun 29 08:34:32 MohammadAG51: hmm.. still can't see it. Allthough I see the shortcut on my desktop though. Jun 29 08:35:30 Mohamed: microb only allows me to save it Jun 29 08:35:31 MohammadAG51: found it from the source package. Jun 29 08:35:40 MohammadAG51: will try that trick :) Jun 29 08:35:47 Mohammad.. sorry Jun 29 08:36:25 tried mime-type application/x-debian-package Jun 29 08:37:02 couldnt you just Jun 29 08:37:10 wget lele.deb;dpkg -i lele.deb Jun 29 08:37:15 or is the gui essential. Jun 29 08:37:26 isn't it application/x-deb? Jun 29 08:37:28 sec i'll check Jun 29 08:37:47 Hey guys Jun 29 08:37:57 MohammadAG51, got 2 min? Jun 29 08:38:05 yes, the strange thing is: my sever says: "application/x-debian-package" but microb says "application/x-deb" Jun 29 08:38:36 fx5, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/powertop_1.0_armel.deb Jun 29 08:39:52 Mohammad: Doesn't work for me. Only option i see is "Save on device" Jun 29 08:42:24 I saw a few sites (mozilla, joikuspot) adding an apt-repository through microb, does anyone know how this works? Jun 29 08:42:48 .install files, lots of examples Jun 29 08:44:28 thanks, will try to find more information on this Jun 29 08:47:41 MohammadAG51: thanks, it still open a "window" but now the user won't see all the unnecessary stuff that's being run in terminal window :) Jun 29 08:48:21 MohammadAG51: And by "window" I mean that top menu is popping up with name of my desktop -file and loading indicator is rolling there. Jun 29 08:48:26 MohammadAG51: But it's okay now :) Jun 29 08:49:02 D-Iivil, umm, sec Jun 29 08:49:35 D-Iivil, add X-App-Loading-Image=none to the end Jun 29 08:49:44 Will try that :) Jun 29 08:50:40 MohammadAG51: That did the trick! Thanks again (like I said yesterday, this is starting to be a daily habit) :-D Jun 29 08:50:57 :D np Jun 29 08:59:27 hmm, this x-app-loading-image=none gives me a shaddowed desktop wallpaper with plain nothing. only way to escape is ctrl-bs Jun 29 09:00:50 yes, until an app shows up Jun 29 09:01:22 DocScrutinizer51, it's only useful for apps that don't start with a window Jun 29 09:01:54 my app doesn't start with anything Jun 29 09:03:13 lol what's your app Jun 29 09:04:15 wome nonsense script, actually ~/.xchat2/notify.sh Jun 29 09:04:35 LOL Jun 29 09:04:42 that's exactly what OP was asking for aiui Jun 29 09:04:55 his script opens a zenity window Jun 29 09:05:00 except for the not working sudobit Jun 29 09:05:59 well, whatever. a app started this way will render device in a rather messed up state Jun 29 09:06:23 nah Jun 29 09:06:36 looks like a solid flaw or even bug to me Jun 29 09:06:37 DocScrutinizer51, it's used by Nokia Jun 29 09:07:21 Facebook installer, ap news installer, * installer, MeeGo UI gallery Jun 29 09:07:34 huh? Jun 29 09:07:48 you seem to miss the point Jun 29 09:08:02 all of those use x-app-loading-image=none Jun 29 09:08:03 nobody can "use" that Jun 29 09:08:14 why? Jun 29 09:08:49 * DocScrutinizer51 sighs Jun 29 09:48:05 Great... .install-file did what i needed Jun 29 10:05:49 <_0x47> could someone tell me the best way to create dependencies for two packages that rely on each other? Is it sane to add the other package to each of them? to make it clear: a.deb depends on b.deb, whereas b.deb depends on a.deb... how to fill debian/control? Jun 29 10:07:11 _0x47, by creating third package Jun 29 10:09:19 mutual exclusion sounds like poison, without further knowledge. Jun 29 10:11:19 anybody with gdb on a phone and dedicated charger at hand? Jun 29 10:14:21 jacekowski: ADCIN0 is marked as BATTEMP in schematics, just FYI Jun 29 10:14:21 _0x47: never create circular dependency Jun 29 10:15:26 <_0x47> sx0n and jacekowski, thanks this is why I ask. Seems not to be an good idea. So, I guess a virtual package is what I need, is it? Jun 29 10:15:56 basically yeh, just create c.deb depending on a.deb and b.deb Jun 29 10:16:08 DocScrutinizer51: adcin0 on twl? Jun 29 10:16:20 <_0x47> and how to prevent a.deb and b.deb being installed alone? Jun 29 10:16:45 you can't Jun 29 10:16:48 well specifically for maemo, dont mark either of them as user packages Jun 29 10:16:50 yes Jun 29 10:16:51 <_0x47> or is this not a problem? both of them would install, but would be unusable Jun 29 10:17:08 that sort of design is wrong Jun 29 10:17:11 <_0x47> nidO: ah, that makes sense, that would prolly work :) Jun 29 10:17:12 if someone specifically wants to go out of their way to install a non user package you cant stop them, but there's no real reason they would Jun 29 10:17:21 either have them in one package or just separate them Jun 29 10:17:25 <_0x47> then just c.deb is the user/ app Jun 29 10:18:21 duing package install (I clicked on that amazon installer), my original nokia battery died, after just 2 months, and even while the charger was connected. device turned off Jun 29 10:18:28 <_0x47> so, i didn't try, but would dh_make work without a source package? because I don't have one, it would just be the debian/control depending on the a. and b. deb Jun 29 10:18:36 now using another battery. need to repair package database... Jun 29 10:19:59 [fremantle]: hildon-theme-marina 1.151 UNKNOWN Jun 29 10:20:07 what the hell does that mean? :) Jun 29 10:20:36 so, "apt-get update" tells me "following sig couldn't be verified, because public key unavailable, in order to fix it run apt-get update" ... recursion. looking for a fix Jun 29 10:21:51 wazd: where? Jun 29 10:22:30 D-Iivil: that was the autobuilder mail response Jun 29 10:23:00 wazd: check this: background-image: url(mid.jpg); background-repeat:repeat-y; background-position: center; Jun 29 10:23:04 wazd: ups! Jun 29 10:23:05 Not that :D Jun 29 10:23:15 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-June/024345.html Jun 29 10:23:26 * kaie got past that error Jun 29 10:23:58 D-Iivil: oh, thanks Jun 29 10:24:07 D-Iivil: whatever that means :D Jun 29 10:25:36 wazd: you are missing a field in your control-file I think Jun 29 10:25:54 D-Iivil: the weird thing is that it is there as always Jun 29 10:25:56 Architecture: all Jun 29 10:26:14 Hmm Jun 29 10:26:15 Hold on Jun 29 10:27:00 wazd: try this: move this line on your control file to the bottom of the file: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32761 Jun 29 10:27:33 D-Iivil: I've just added a break Jun 29 10:27:35 There should be one empty line break after Standards-Version -line and then should come the Architecture -field Jun 29 10:27:38 D-Iivil: let's see Jun 29 10:29:12 wazd: seems like you're also using the old control-file template. You have old depencies there. Jun 29 10:29:40 wazd: should be like this: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), hildon-theme-layout-5 (>= 0.15.0), hildon-theme-layout-5 (< 0.16.0), hildon-theme-tools, imagemagick Jun 29 10:30:22 wazd: have you also changed all other files in under your applications -folder etc when you started to use the new theme template? Jun 29 10:30:29 D-Iivil: no, I've already fixed it :) Jun 29 10:31:28 wazd: okay then. Just caught my eye while looking at your control-file. Jun 29 10:33:09 * D-Iivil goes doing some heavy cigarette smoking Jun 29 10:36:20 moo wazd Jun 29 10:36:38 RST38h: heya :) Jun 29 10:36:46 wazd: How is suffering? Jun 29 10:37:00 RST38h: death fight with autobuilder again :) Jun 29 10:37:48 Heh Jun 29 10:38:05 wazd: The autobuilder cannot be defeated! Jun 29 10:38:26 Just beaten into pulp for a while Jun 29 10:39:19 RST38h: yeah, I know, it kicks me in the nuts again and again :) Jun 29 10:39:33 RST38h: "FAILED: You're too blond!" Jun 29 10:42:35 RST38h: crazy woman from AKADO just called and asked me if I want to use their digital tv stuff Jun 29 10:43:11 RST38h: I said that I don't watch TV at all. "But you can use digital tv anyway" :D Jun 29 10:43:56 Who's making vuvuzela app? :D Jun 29 10:44:09 and why havent they put a bullet in their own brain yet Jun 29 10:44:45 nidO: because vuvuzelas don't fire bullets Jun 29 10:45:23 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/hildon-theme-marina_1.152/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Jun 29 10:45:34 I finished my vuvuzela app right now Jun 29 10:45:44 * wazd stands in the rain and screams "whyyyyyyyy?!" Jun 29 10:45:54 is MONO bad for meego? Jun 29 10:46:21 is MONO on MeeGo? Jun 29 10:46:31 yes sadly Jun 29 10:46:44 fx5: you need loop option :) Jun 29 10:46:45 some novell dude snuck it in with banshee media player Jun 29 10:46:46 I don't think it's bad at all I quite like C# Jun 29 10:47:07 If performance is good, I'd rather use that than C++ for quite a few things. Jun 29 10:47:10 this crap has twisted legal implications Jun 29 10:47:19 it's not about the code Jun 29 10:47:20 Well, apparently. Jun 29 10:47:21 fx5: but that's fucking brilliant :D Jun 29 10:47:22 wazd: you have to blow into the microphone... so it is not too easy to annoy anyone Jun 29 10:47:30 wazd: http://apt.fx5-1.de/n900/install/vuvu.install Jun 29 10:47:32 Mostly Obsolete Nonsensical Object Jun 29 10:47:37 fx5: aaah Jun 29 10:47:46 fx5: then it's not yurs in devel Jun 29 10:48:02 no, is there one? didn't see yet Jun 29 10:48:18 fx5: yeah :) Jun 29 10:49:02 will try it Jun 29 10:49:17 maybe it has a better sound than mine Jun 29 10:49:59 fx5: well, it has pretty authentic sound :) Jun 29 10:51:10 if your swap goes nuts, don't fire up top, just do a killall "*mono*" Jun 29 10:51:38 yes, the sound is better Jun 29 10:52:09 wazd: had that error once too. Easiest fix was to re-download the theme master template and then just copy & paste all images from old "session" to the new re-downloaded one and then change the control etc files line by line. Jun 29 10:52:21 Maximum Offending Non Operational Jun 29 10:53:08 .not Jun 29 10:53:13 I mean, even .net is BS. So what's the idea to port it to linux, then?! Jun 29 10:53:41 Has anyone else got an app with a donate option in maemo.org extras? Jun 29 10:55:27 alterego: fMMS does Jun 29 10:55:32 mappero has one Jun 29 10:56:19 * BCMM wonders if frals highlights on fMMS Jun 29 10:56:30 he probably does on frals Jun 29 10:57:46 Just wondering if it had worked for anyone at all, I.E. how generous our user space actually is. My app is a pretty shitty one tbh, So I'm not gonna be suprised if I don't get anything :) Jun 29 10:58:17 But I'm working on something to publish on Ovi, which I hope will be pretty successful. Jun 29 10:58:18 i think somebody gave frals money Jun 29 10:58:24 Oh noh, now it's done. I just left my dear N900 to Nokia Cervice Centre. I miss it already :( Jun 29 10:58:35 so, you can publish to ovi? Jun 29 10:58:39 seriously? Jun 29 10:58:44 been able to for a while Jun 29 10:58:45 D-Iivil: you need a spare :) Jun 29 10:58:45 i've heard that it's like impossible Jun 29 10:58:51 and they accept independant devs now Jun 29 10:58:59 and that it's user and developer hostile Jun 29 10:59:07 it is that Jun 29 10:59:15 jacekowski: they openned it to indie developers last week, 50 EUR one off charge to be an Ovi publisher. Jun 29 10:59:18 alterego: yeah... seems like I do :( Jun 29 10:59:27 WOW Jun 29 10:59:31 alterego: seriously? Jun 29 10:59:36 jacekowski: yeah Jun 29 10:59:54 jacekowski: yup, it was announced with Nokia Qt SD 1.0 Jun 29 11:00:15 SDK* Jun 29 11:00:15 SD? Jun 29 11:00:18 I thought a second about submitting my new themes to OVi but then I realized how fucked up the whole OVi -shop is and has been. Jun 29 11:00:21 can we get a common publishing license for the whole community? :P Jun 29 11:00:31 SDK* Jun 29 11:00:34 err Jun 29 11:00:38 damn up + enter Jun 29 11:00:52 And I think we're in a unique marketting position too, people are dying for N900 apps, and judging from a tmo thread yesterday base users seem to trust Ovi content over maemo extras ... Jun 29 11:00:57 So no support from me to OVi. Jun 29 11:01:00 D-Iivil, free themes in the store? eww Jun 29 11:01:17 themes should disappear Jun 29 11:01:20 MohammadAG51: tested down+enter? :-D Jun 29 11:01:23 and go to separate repository Jun 29 11:01:27 these should be in their own ham category Jun 29 11:01:34 themes* Jun 29 11:01:37 Yeah, theme's need to be distributed in some other way imo Jun 29 11:01:37 nidO: yeah, second to that! Jun 29 11:01:40 separate repo Jun 29 11:01:47 DocScrutinizer51, judging by the source it makes the device implode Jun 29 11:01:55 jacekowski: I think separate category would be just fine. Jun 29 11:02:03 yeah, I also agree on a separate category Jun 29 11:02:20 I don't understand why there isn't one already... or has been from the beginning. Jun 29 11:02:21 no because it will still appear in "All" Jun 29 11:02:26 lol Jun 29 11:02:42 seriously who uses ham... Jun 29 11:02:42 I find it very very stupid to search themes under desktop or system -category. Jun 29 11:02:47 whats wrong with that, "all" by definition should be showing everything Jun 29 11:02:59 nidO: application manager Jun 29 11:03:01 apt-get ftw Jun 29 11:03:05 nidO: *application" Jun 29 11:03:16 nidO: not application and themes manage Jun 29 11:03:17 r Jun 29 11:03:30 do you get it? Jun 29 11:03:44 that can be arranged Jun 29 11:03:46 I dont see any point in making it more akward to use for no sensible reason other than you dont think it has a fully explicit name Jun 29 11:03:59 * MohammadAG51 edits ham's name to HT&AM Jun 29 11:04:17 There's no bloody consistency either, even D-Iivilhas publiched under two diffrent categories. :) Jun 29 11:04:22 jacekowski: then you might find it nice that I won't upload separate packages anymore to repos if I create a variation of some theme. I'll just make a single package and simple script which can change the variation on the fly. Jun 29 11:04:32 alterego: yeah, my bad and I'm sorry. Jun 29 11:04:46 D-Iivil: it's okay, we're all learning :) Jun 29 11:05:02 alterego: Maemo Wiki says that themes should go under system -category, but the theme template I'm using has "desktop" set by default and I've accidently forgot to change that to system. Jun 29 11:05:05 everyone fucks up somewhere :) Jun 29 11:05:23 alterego, rm -rf'd my / once Jun 29 11:05:24 Theme's were never really thought about when we started maemo. Jun 29 11:05:33 Hah, fool! :) Jun 29 11:05:42 I've done it a couple of times. Jun 29 11:05:42 yep, your package did that Jun 29 11:06:00 rm -rf * is also a killer :P Jun 29 11:06:16 btw, can the category be changed just by uploading a new version with different category in control-file? Jun 29 11:06:28 I don't back my stuff up because I'm scared of hardware failure, I do it because I don't trust me with a computer :D Jun 29 11:06:40 D-Iivil, never hurts to try :P Jun 29 11:06:41 D-Iivil: yes Jun 29 11:06:57 alterego: rm -rf .* is really mice Jun 29 11:07:06 nice Jun 29 11:07:09 even Jun 29 11:07:14 Newer versions will replace older versions debian/control info. Jun 29 11:07:20 alterego: okay.. well, I guess I need to seek through those themes that are currently under "desktop" and re-upload those to system. Will be a nice task :-D Jun 29 11:07:48 D-Iivil: yup, nice and easy, though they'll need to be promoted again :/ Jun 29 11:07:53 alterego: classical admin joke Jun 29 11:07:59 Maybe first check that wiki-page hasn't been updated... Jun 29 11:08:12 "remove all hidden dirs!" Jun 29 11:08:30 incl., .. MUHAHA Jun 29 11:09:02 Heh Jun 29 11:09:09 wazd: That answer has not been in her chart =) Jun 29 11:09:11 Still says they should go under system: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories Jun 29 11:09:22 D-Iivil, edit it Jun 29 11:09:24 * D-Iivil takes a deep breath and starts to download sources Jun 29 11:09:26 wazd: What have you done! You coredumped that poor AKADO girl! Jun 29 11:09:39 MohammadAG51: I think the system-category is better than desktop. Jun 29 11:09:49 * RST38h thinks themes should go into themes Jun 29 11:09:51 MohammadAG51: since themes affect the whole system, not just desktop Jun 29 11:09:53 Me too ... Jun 29 11:10:08 Who should be ping if we would like to have themes -category? Jun 29 11:10:08 Because right now, Desktop and System categories have become unbrowseable Jun 29 11:10:18 themes should have a user/themes category Jun 29 11:10:18 RST38h: yeah, I know. Sorry about that. Jun 29 11:10:23 that's what's proper Jun 29 11:10:26 D-Iivil, its apparently not practical Jun 29 11:10:41 nidO: why? Jun 29 11:10:49 * RST38h also thinks D-Iivil better create some theme-customization app rather than create so many themes that only differ in few colors =) Jun 29 11:11:02 RST38h: already did! Jun 29 11:11:11 Cooooooool =) Where? Jun 29 11:11:23 Download the latest version of Black Plastic from devel. Jun 29 11:11:28 X-fade's answer a few months ago when I first brought up a themse category was that nokia will need to add it to HAM as well to include the icon Jun 29 11:11:39 It has script that allows you to choose which variation to use and you can change the option later also. Jun 29 11:11:42 so it's not just a repo change, needs nokia's cooperation Jun 29 11:11:53 RST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=732555&postcount=218 Jun 29 11:13:10 doing it like that via a script seems a much preferable way rather than uploading 5689034803 packages with colour variations :p Jun 29 11:14:00 definitely Jun 29 11:14:40 D-Iivil: look into zenity to present a UI to the user via script. Jun 29 11:14:51 alterego: it uses zenity already Jun 29 11:15:07 oh sweet :) Jun 29 11:15:12 Thanks to MohammadAG51 and friends who guided me to it :D Jun 29 11:15:29 alterego: check the link I just posted. Jun 29 11:15:43 Hah, I accept your thanks, as I showed it to MohammadAG51 :P Jun 29 11:15:51 D-Iivil: great - much easier for users to try more. Jun 29 11:15:59 alterego: oh it was you! Jun 29 11:16:53 D-Iivil: Yep, look good Jun 29 11:17:01 alterego: are you tswindell @ tmo? Jun 29 11:17:01 ooh, so it wasn't me who first asked where is zenity? Jun 29 11:17:12 If you want I can show you how to put that in the settings app rather than app menu Jun 29 11:17:14 Would probably be better as part of Settings, and with all the settings in one dialog, but can't have everything Jun 29 11:17:23 D-Iivil: yup that's my name :) Jun 29 11:17:28 alterego: yes please. That's the next task I'm trying to survive. Jun 29 11:17:58 alterego: then I already thanked you @ http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=729955&postcount=3 when MohammadAG51 told me to thank you for the zenity -tip :D Jun 29 11:18:10 D-Iivil: you'll need a little C program I wrote, but all you need to do is edit a .desktopfile and one line in the source to run your script/s. Jun 29 11:18:11 So he didn't take the credit ;) Jun 29 11:18:24 He's such a nice guy :) Jun 29 11:18:31 alterego: sounds great :) Jun 29 11:18:39 timeless_mbp: how'd you bank crap go? Jun 29 11:19:08 Already tried just to move the .desktop -file under hildon-control... but didn't work :) Jun 29 11:19:10 ~ MohammadAG Jun 29 11:19:11 somebody said mohammadag was special Jun 29 11:19:15 D-Iivil: yeah, give me half an hour and I'll hook you up with it :) Jun 29 11:19:49 alterego: cool! Just in time so I won't be heading home from work (this is the only place where I have peace to do these things) :-D Jun 29 11:20:08 Heh. Jun 29 11:20:34 DocScrutinizer51: i see code reading channels 9 and 12 in gaia but well, no reference to them in datasheet Jun 29 11:21:14 whatever channel 9 and 12 means Jun 29 11:21:42 like ADIN12 : Jun 29 11:21:45 ? Jun 29 11:21:47 yep Jun 29 11:21:52 omfg Jun 29 11:22:28 well, it might just be some internal value Jun 29 11:22:37 let me check in driver Jun 29 11:23:43 linux/i2c/twl4030-madc.h:#define TWL4030_MADC_MAX_CHANNELS 16 Jun 29 11:24:15 well that pile of BS also read reg 34 or sth from bq24150 Jun 29 11:24:36 hmm, ok Jun 29 11:24:54 bq24150 has just 5 regs Jun 29 11:25:02 or 6? Jun 29 11:25:18 I'm missing a nap Jun 29 11:26:28 alterego Hah, I accept your thanks, as I showed it to MohammadAG51 :P lol Jun 29 11:26:29 in a free market, the working class RULES Jun 29 11:26:42 MohammadAG51: :) Jun 29 11:26:56 zenity could do with a bit more maemoification though Jun 29 11:27:13 source is available Jun 29 11:27:14 :P Jun 29 11:27:32 Indeed, but I have other things I need to do :P Jun 29 11:27:44 get people to vote for your app? Jun 29 11:27:53 DocScrutinizer51: well, thing is that in drivers it says that it has 16 channels Jun 29 11:28:17 hmm, just trying to find the file on mxr Jun 29 11:28:31 so it might be some non generic purpose analog in Jun 29 11:28:35 * MohammadAG51 asks alterego to make a fake SMS app Jun 29 11:30:09 D-Iivil: are you okay compiling this yourself? If I just give you the source file? Jun 29 11:30:12 MohammadAG51: fake SMS? Send SMSs with someone else's number as sender? :D Jun 29 11:30:26 i can't find registers in datasheet Jun 29 11:30:28 alterego: well.. to be hones, I don't know what I'd need for compiling a C -app. Jun 29 11:30:36 alterego: never done it before. Jun 29 11:30:46 D-Iivil: okay, I'll come up with a Makefile Jun 29 11:30:54 jacekowski: Jun 29 11:30:56 100 /* Fixed channels */ Jun 29 11:30:57 101 #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1 Jun 29 11:31:07 D-Iivil: then you'll need to add some stuff to your debian/rules file. Jun 29 11:31:09 D-Iivil, nah, it would just save them in the .db as if someone sent them to you Jun 29 11:31:12 alterego: big PLEASE for that :) Jun 29 11:31:19 106 #define TWL4030_MADC_VBAT TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN12 Jun 29 11:31:27 103 #define TWL4030_MADC_VBKB TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN9 Jun 29 11:31:48 main and backup cell voltage Jun 29 11:31:54 MohammadAG51: that would be lame :-/ I remember back on 90's when I had windows program which could send SMSs with faked sender number. Jun 29 11:31:57 #define TWL4030_MADC_VBKB TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN9 Jun 29 11:32:01 #define TWL4030_MADC_VBAT TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN12 Jun 29 11:32:13 mhm Jun 29 11:32:34 hmm. again hit this bug: phone receives a call, when I click Answer the screen goes black and device locks. Jun 29 11:32:42 jacekowski: your collation sequence is definitely better than mine :-P Jun 29 11:32:56 D-Iivil, alterego is too much of a noob to do that Jun 29 11:32:58 I have to unlock the device and choose "Phone" from application list to pick the call Jun 29 11:33:00 * MohammadAG51 hides Jun 29 11:33:02 hmmm, WTF? Jun 29 11:33:04 ??? Jun 29 11:33:08 very big WTF Jun 29 11:33:09 Heh Jun 29 11:33:19 #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1 Jun 29 11:33:28 jacekowski: It's also on the schematic. Jun 29 11:33:33 on schematic it's connected to ADCIN0 Jun 29 11:33:40 jacekowski: that's not funny to echo my c&p Jun 29 11:33:55 jacekowski: correct Jun 29 11:33:59 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic#Page_4 Jun 29 11:34:58 rmrfchik: Are you running much stuff from devel, or testing? Jun 29 11:34:58 well, that still doesn't explain why it's as ADCIN1 in sources Jun 29 11:35:13 SpeedEvil: dunno. some stuff yes. Jun 29 11:35:30 rmrfchik: Anything related to call handling? Jun 29 11:36:02 well.. maemo recorder Jun 29 11:36:54 rmrfchik: you not accidentally hold your thumb on proximity sensor? Jun 29 11:36:55 how many times have the TSG meetings been rescheduled? Jun 29 11:37:20 It's like they don't give a fuck about the people who want to assit, and are content with just checking with the "paid people" Jun 29 11:37:26 rmrfchik: or have a crappy screen protector? Jun 29 11:37:37 no protectors. Jun 29 11:37:39 is it possible to see the source code of a website on the n900? Jun 29 11:37:47 yes Jun 29 11:37:54 (unless I remember wrong..) Jun 29 11:38:09 may be I hold thumb on sensor.. but it is normal -- I pull phone from pocket ;) Jun 29 11:38:27 vanadismobile, if not otherwise, you can always save the page and use some other program to view the source :) Jun 29 11:38:59 flux, sure Jun 29 11:39:13 hmm, holding thumb on prox sensor is supposed to blank screen and locj ts Jun 29 11:39:14 ctrl+u doesn't work -.- Jun 29 11:39:16 lock Jun 29 11:39:38 docscrutinizer, it is? Jun 29 11:39:45 sure Jun 29 11:40:14 well, does it actually do it sometimes as well, then? Jun 29 11:40:27 during a call Jun 29 11:40:35 DocScrutinizer: hmmm. so when I talk with phone, it goes black and locked? Jun 29 11:40:42 yes Jun 29 11:40:46 yes Jun 29 11:40:47 but only during a call Jun 29 11:40:57 but when I open sensor it goes unlocked Jun 29 11:41:03 this not happens for me Jun 29 11:41:07 and only while you hold prox sensor next to ear or thumb :-P Jun 29 11:41:07 does the proximity sensor affect the volume during calls, btw? Jun 29 11:41:16 because sometimes it seems that the volume varies a lot Jun 29 11:41:21 flux: no, it's your ear position Jun 29 11:41:24 :) Jun 29 11:41:33 the sensor is on/off Jun 29 11:41:38 flux: no Jun 29 11:42:20 vanadismobile: well, I guess the browser doesn't have that, at least anywhere visible, so I remembered wrong. but probably firefox can do that :) Jun 29 11:44:41 flux: you have faulty speaker. I had too. Volume varied during phone call and turning the phone made the volume rise back etc. Loose connector or something like that. Jun 29 11:44:51 hmm Jun 29 11:45:27 is the ear-speaker different from other speakers? Jun 29 11:45:49 (it looks like it is) Jun 29 11:45:52 flux: I think so. Jun 29 11:46:19 and how can I switch regular audio output there.. I could simply output some high-volume test tune and check if I can affect its volume by physical means. Jun 29 11:47:50 oO Jun 29 11:47:52 VBKP Jun 29 11:47:58 why is it reading that Jun 29 11:50:12 D-Iivil: ping Jun 29 11:50:18 alterego: pong Jun 29 11:50:33 D-Iivil: how do you develop themes? On device or are you using some kind of SDK? Jun 29 11:50:51 alterego: I have scratchbox running. Jun 29 11:51:03 Cool, you should be able to compile this then Jun 29 11:52:58 D-Iivil: just need another 10 minutes to test it's working. Jun 29 11:53:11 alterego: no horry :) Jun 29 11:58:42 D-Iivil: okay, it's done. I'm gonna tar it up and upload it. Jun 29 11:59:02 alterego: great :) Jun 29 12:00:08 There is actually only one file you need to edit ;) Jun 29 12:00:33 And like I said you'll need to modify your debian/rules file a bit and also add a few items to your debian/control depends. Jun 29 12:00:38 * timeless_mbp cries Jun 29 12:00:44 alterego: sounds like it's something even I can survive :-D Jun 29 12:00:47 timeless_mbp: you never voted! Jun 29 12:00:51 :) Jun 29 12:01:10 i used it! Jun 29 12:01:22 Heh :) Jun 29 12:01:23 link me Jun 29 12:01:31 D-Iivil: http://alterego.metapath.org/libosso-plugin-exec-loader-0.2.tar.bz2 Jun 29 12:01:38 timeless_mbp: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ Jun 29 12:02:49 alterego: okay, downloaded and extracted Jun 29 12:03:05 Right, to manually build it, cd into the package directory. Jun 29 12:03:19 qmake libosso-plugin-exec-loader.pro Jun 29 12:03:24 okay Jun 29 12:03:24 and then: make Jun 29 12:03:44 I surrender :( Jun 29 12:04:25 D-Iivil: your debian/control file needs to have these added to the Build-Depends list: libqt4-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libosso-dev, hildon-control-panel-dev Jun 29 12:04:36 alterego: what should I change and where to make it launch this script /usr/sbin/launchblack ? Jun 29 12:04:41 alterego: ok. Will add those Jun 29 12:05:06 D-Iivil: right, the only file you need to edit is libosso-plugin-exec-loader.pro in the main directory Jun 29 12:05:10 I've commented the lines Jun 29 12:05:13 Streaming "Classical WETA 90.9 FM - Washington D.C." @ "" via Nokia N900 Jun 29 12:05:14 alter, oh, okay. Jun 29 12:05:16 * timeless_mbp ponders Jun 29 12:05:24 Basically, TARGET and the second DEFINES Jun 29 12:05:24 alterego: what's w/ "" ? :( Jun 29 12:05:43 timeless_mbp: it means that stream souce didn't provide the organisation metadata Jun 29 12:06:42 alterego: so it should be like this: OSSO_PLUGIN_EXEC_LOADER_COMMAND=\\\"/usr/sbin/launchblack\\\" Jun 29 12:06:43 * timeless_mbp kicks maemo.org Jun 29 12:06:45 hurry up! Jun 29 12:07:06 alterego: i was #10! :) Jun 29 12:07:56 timeless_mbp: :) saved it just for you :D Jun 29 12:08:09 D-Iivil: yup, exactly, make sure the script is executable. Jun 29 12:08:12 And that should be it. Jun 29 12:08:18 alterego: yes it is. Jun 29 12:08:20 There's also an example .desktop file for you Jun 29 12:08:35 The .desktop needs to go into /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel Jun 29 12:08:43 alterego: so should I first compile the thing with qmake after I've changed that one line? Jun 29 12:08:58 qmake gives me command not found -error when typing that inside scratchbox Jun 29 12:09:01 and the library file under "build" once it's built needs to go under /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/ Jun 29 12:09:13 ok Jun 29 12:09:17 D-Iivil: you need to install the build deps then Jun 29 12:09:22 will do that. Jun 29 12:09:23 That one is libqt4-devel Jun 29 12:09:33 Sorry, libqt4-dev :) Jun 29 12:10:17 alterego: so maybe I should build it locally and not make autobuilder do that for me? Jun 29 12:10:43 Both Jun 29 12:10:53 build it locally so you can manually copy the files across and test it all works Jun 29 12:11:16 Once you're happy setup your debian/rules to build and copy the files to the right places. I can show you where and how to edit your rules file. Jun 29 12:11:57 alterego: okay, I've now built it and I see bunch of files under /build -directory Jun 29 12:12:26 Yeah, it's slightly annoying but you want the odd one out Jun 29 12:12:30 The real file not the symlink Jun 29 12:12:38 alterego: aaah, ofcourse Jun 29 12:12:44 D-Iivil: do you use scp? Jun 29 12:12:48 alterego: yeah Jun 29 12:12:58 alterego: so this one: osso-plugin-exec-loader.o Jun 29 12:13:06 No, .so Jun 29 12:13:15 No, .so.1.0.0 I think :) Jun 29 12:13:21 alterego: this: libplastictheme-cploader.so.1.0.0 Jun 29 12:13:40 Yeah, but annoyingly you want to copy it to it's destination as just .so Jun 29 12:14:13 alterego: okay Jun 29 12:15:52 Oh, you'll need to edit the .desktop file to use an icon of your choice to, as I bet you don't have my 'media-im-status-updater' iconn :) Jun 29 12:15:58 already did that :) Jun 29 12:16:11 I see the icon @ settings Jun 29 12:16:25 but it won't launch anything :( Jun 29 12:16:50 Aww ... Jun 29 12:17:08 Hrm .. Unfortunately debuggin this is a pain in the friggin ass :( Jun 29 12:17:12 :d Jun 29 12:17:14 :D Jun 29 12:17:43 let me check.. I have the loader_command typed in correctly. The script is working if I launch it from my own .desktop -shortcut Jun 29 12:17:44 Took me a while to get it to work :/ Jun 29 12:17:50 ~seen x-fade Jun 29 12:17:52 x-fade <~xfade@Maemo/community/webmaster/X-Fade> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 50m 29s ago, saying: 'Sure.'. Jun 29 12:18:12 :( Jun 29 12:20:35 Hi Jun 29 12:20:49 alterego: anything I can do to debug? Jun 29 12:20:57 Is there any way to force the alarm to keep playing the alarm tone until I tell it to snooze Jun 29 12:21:10 currently it'll do two rounds of the alarm and then auto-snooze Jun 29 12:21:15 D-Iivil: where is your script again? Jun 29 12:21:25 Infact, can you give me your script? Jun 29 12:21:30 alterego: /usr/sbin/launchblack Jun 29 12:21:38 alterego: sure Jun 29 12:21:38 If I can customise the build, reupload it for you and I'll test it here. Jun 29 12:21:49 alterego: give me sec, I'll upload it somewhere. Jun 29 12:23:45 alterego: http://www.firenote.com/D-Iivil/scripts.tar Jun 29 12:24:30 <_0x47> while trying to create my virtual / metapackage I get an error from dpkg-buildpackage: make: make: *** No rule to make target `configure', needed by `config.status'. Stop. This seems to be caused by not having a ./configure file, but as this is only a metapackage, would I really need one? Here is my debian/control (icon data removed): http://pastebin.com/ne68C0GF Jun 29 12:24:30 Why have you got two scripst /sbin and /usr/sbin? Jun 29 12:24:33 alterego: there's actually two scripts. One that launches another. Did that to make the xterm window to be hidden from end user (that's what MohammadAG51 did with xarchiver). Jun 29 12:24:48 D-Iivil: you don't need that with this. Jun 29 12:24:57 D-Iivil: just launch the proper script Jun 29 12:25:03 alterego: okay, will try that also. Jun 29 12:25:18 alterego: can it be located under /sbin or should I move it under /usr/sbin ? Jun 29 12:25:48 Well, should be under /opt :P Jun 29 12:25:51 in theory Jun 29 12:26:26 in what package diff reside? Jun 29 12:27:02 But /usr/bin is probably better /sbin is meant for super user Jun 29 12:27:19 alterego: I changed the .pro -file to point to correct script, re-built the thing and still won't launch the script :-/ Jun 29 12:27:24 Also, I noticde you're using run-standalone.sh in your script all over the place, I don't think it's required for this. Jun 29 12:27:44 <_0x47> anyone? Jun 29 12:28:22 D-Iivil: move your script out and write a really simple one that just does: 'echo "test" > /home/user/test.out' Jun 29 12:28:22 alterego: well it's required because that script is ran also during package installation by postinst -script. That's for preventing the installation not to fail if user taps outside the zenity window (will cause exit code 1) Jun 29 12:28:27 See if it's running the script. Jun 29 12:28:31 alterego: will try Jun 29 12:28:37 Ah, okay. Jun 29 12:28:54 even Madde doesn't like laest template :( Jun 29 12:32:13 alterego: okay.. did simple script (echo "test" > /home/user/test.out), placed it under /usr/sbin/ then chmodded it a+x Jun 29 12:32:20 and re-built your thing Jun 29 12:32:41 I don't get your /usr/sbin obsession :P Jun 29 12:32:49 its the best bin. Jun 29 12:32:55 alterego: haha :D Jun 29 12:32:58 It's not really a true system script :P Jun 29 12:33:20 alterego: but still won't work. file "test.out" won't appear under /home/user Jun 29 12:34:11 I wonder if you need to restart hildon .. Jun 29 12:34:13 Try that Jun 29 12:34:23 what is the command for it? Jun 29 12:34:34 Erm .. sb-af-init.sh restart? Jun 29 12:34:40 I can't remember I Don't use it :P Jun 29 12:34:48 Not for a long time anyhow. Jun 29 12:34:54 Should really setup a scratchbox install. Jun 29 12:35:04 af-sb-init.sh restart maybe .. Jun 29 12:35:27 alterego: I'm testing it inside scratchbox Jun 29 12:35:33 I know Jun 29 12:35:59 What does your .desktop file look like? Jun 29 12:36:16 The one I use @ application launcher or the one that you pre-made? Jun 29 12:36:27 The one I premade Jun 29 12:36:32 Have you not modified it? Jun 29 12:36:40 hold on Jun 29 12:36:47 [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Version=1.0 Name=Plastic Theme Setup Comment=Configuration interface for Plastic Theme. Type=HildonControlPanelPlugin Icon=blackplastic X-control-panel-plugin=libplastictheme-cploader.so Categories=general Jun 29 12:36:50 Oh, fuck :D Jun 29 12:36:56 It came in one line.. Jun 29 12:37:00 That's fine Jun 29 12:37:04 Better that way tbh Jun 29 12:37:28 Okay, now can you pastie.org 'ls /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/' for me :) Jun 29 12:37:47 sec Jun 29 12:37:58 D-Iivil: it better did. pasting >>3 lines is usally deprecated Jun 29 12:38:38 alterego: I can see there's "libplastictheme-cploader.so" under that folder. Jun 29 12:38:54 D-Iivil: use pastebin please Jun 29 12:38:57 okay Jun 29 12:39:09 pastie.orrg is better ... Jun 29 12:39:24 alterego: http://www.pastie.org/1023255 Jun 29 12:40:08 Hrm .. Jun 29 12:40:15 Hi all Jun 29 12:40:38 D-Iivil: okay, now paste the "DEFINES" line in your .pro file where you specify the executable for me please. Jun 29 12:41:26 alterego: http://www.pastie.org/1023257 Jun 29 12:41:45 where "jau" is the test script I just made. Jun 29 12:42:01 strange, you see the top line, remove that '\', completely unnessacary Jun 29 12:42:37 Does anyone know guide doc for developing hildon-im-plugin, except for vkb? I'm interested in other type of plugin for CJK charactor inputing:-) Jun 29 12:42:48 Oh, also, when you edit the .pro file, you need to run the qmake command again as well. Jun 29 12:42:49 alterego: okay, removed. Should I build it again and test? Jun 29 12:43:01 alterego: I've done it again. Jun 29 12:43:07 Okay, cool. Jun 29 12:43:12 Yeah, try now. Jun 29 12:44:55 alterego: still no go :-/ Jun 29 12:45:20 mhm, why does rapuyama needs 128M of ram? Jun 29 12:45:25 X-Fade, hi, could i ask you a question about maemo autobuilder queue status? Jun 29 12:45:34 wazd: ping? Jun 29 12:45:39 kenya888: sure Jun 29 12:45:54 Harm Jun 29 12:45:59 X-Fade: hey there :) Jun 29 12:46:07 wazd: Stop using Windows ;) Jun 29 12:46:13 X-Fade: I'm fighting with autobuilder again :) Jun 29 12:46:29 wazd: You have windows linefeeds in your first 2 lines. Jun 29 12:46:41 X-Fade: uh Jun 29 12:46:53 alterego: these are the files under "build" folder after typing the "make" -command: http://www.pastie.org/1023262 Jun 29 12:47:16 D-Iivil: leave it with me for a bit, I'll get back to you. I need to do a few errands, I'll try and get it to work with your scripts and let you know what I get done. Jun 29 12:47:16 X-Fade, thanks, now some my package are in the queue of frematnle extras builder. If you can could you let me know how to clean up them? BTW, it's name is IBus, an input method. Jun 29 12:47:41 alterego: you know you don't have to if you have something else to do ;) Jun 29 12:47:43 X-Fade: and why the hell autobuilder thinks that 1.095 is newer than 1.17-1? :D Jun 29 12:48:04 wazd: Because it is. Jun 29 12:48:08 alterego: anyways I need to hit the road in few minutes. Need to drop my wife to her work. Jun 29 12:48:12 X-Fade, you can see queue status from extras-assistant top page. https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ Jun 29 12:48:13 D-Iivil: well, I do right now, but I'll be free later :P Jun 29 12:48:31 Okay, I'll let you know how I get on next time you're here. Jun 29 12:48:36 X-Fade: I'm not that bad at maths :D Jun 29 12:48:52 alterego: yeah, sounds cool. I think I'll be online after four hours or so. Jun 29 12:49:14 m'kay Jun 29 12:49:16 alterego: but thanks for your effort so far! Great to have people like you hanging around here :) Jun 29 12:49:18 wazd: That is how debian version number comparison works. Jun 29 12:49:20 so long => Jun 29 12:49:26 wazd: Check dpkg --compare-versions Jun 29 12:49:27 caio Jun 29 12:51:10 kenya888: Hmm I wonder why these packages aren't being processed. Jun 29 12:53:06 X-Fade, me too. I don't change any of the way making source pkg:-( Jun 29 12:53:19 X-Fade, kenya888 has had probs with his package for a while i recall :S Jun 29 12:53:39 kenya888, you are just keeping x-fade on his toes :D Jun 29 12:53:40 There seem to be a lot of locks in place, I wonder why. Jun 29 12:54:56 * vldcnst runs and hides. Jun 29 12:55:01 lcuk, thanks a lot :-) Jun 29 12:55:01 kenya888: All your packages have been building for all this time. Jun 29 12:55:12 kenya888: So I think something in the build makes it stall. Jun 29 12:55:27 kenya888: Most likely related to rsvg-convert it seems. Jun 29 12:57:03 X-Fade, Oh... rsvg-convert!! hmm... it may be true... Jun 29 12:57:23 kenya888: Shall I kill those processes and see what happens? :) Jun 29 12:57:59 X-Fade, yes, of course, please :-) Jun 29 12:58:09 X-Fade: is there a timeout? Jun 29 12:58:31 X-Fade: damn, how can I delete these symbols and why they've appeared now? :) Jun 29 12:58:34 jacekowski: no Jun 29 12:58:41 X-Fade: I've been using windows for ages :) Jun 29 12:58:58 wazd: Use wordpad next time :) Jun 29 12:59:16 wordpad convert linux line endings to windows Jun 29 12:59:21 X-Fade: in fact it's exactly what I'm using :D Jun 29 12:59:40 jacekowski: not if it is a linux file to begin with. Jun 29 12:59:57 notepad does though Jun 29 13:00:00 no Jun 29 13:00:05 notepad can't open linux line endings Jun 29 13:00:15 and you end up with file that has one long line Jun 29 13:00:34 the n900 does not have rSap onboard, my wife's simple nokia phone does :-( Jun 29 13:00:45 it isn't a linux line ending, it's a unix line ending - just another case of microsoft doing one thing and almost everyone else doing something else Jun 29 13:00:56 jpe, what is rSap and why will it make my life better Jun 29 13:01:24 (see also HTML and programming APIs) Jun 29 13:01:33 BCMM: well, mac is a unix Jun 29 13:01:41 BCMM: and it has \n\r Jun 29 13:01:45 BCMM: opposite to windows Jun 29 13:01:56 its a bluetooth protocol and it allows ou to communicate with most modern car-kits Jun 29 13:02:02 jacekowski: that's what i said isn't it? everybody else does the other thing Jun 29 13:02:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline#History Jun 29 13:02:58 ASCII was developed simultaneously by the ISO and the ASA, the predecessor organization to ANSI. During the period of 1963–1968, the ISO draft standards supported the use of either CR+LF or LF alone as a newline, while the ASA drafts supported only CR+LF. Jun 29 13:03:01 jacekowski: hang on, what is \r? Jun 29 13:03:09 The sequence CR+LF was in common use on many early computer systems that had adopted teletype machines, Jun 29 13:03:16 BCMM: carriage return Jun 29 13:03:22 \n - line feed Jun 29 13:03:27 CR+LF Jun 29 13:03:33 jacekowski: and are you sure mac does \n\r Jun 29 13:03:37 what i don't understand, rSap is basically a nokia owned protocol.... Jun 29 13:03:39 MS-DOS adopted CP/M's CR+LF; CP/M's use of CR+LF made sense for using computer terminals via serial lines. Jun 29 13:03:49 The Multics operating system began development in 1964 and used LF alone as its newline. Unix followed the Multics practice, and later systems followed Unix. Jun 29 13:03:56 jpe - maemo comes from a different background, im sure the 900 is capable of supporting the protocol, its just not been written yet. just like we have a community MMS package - if, if this means much to you then find out about it and discuss ways to make it happen Jun 29 13:03:57 that's "Line fee, carriage return", isn't it? Jun 29 13:04:05 BCMM: yes Jun 29 13:04:22 BCMM: it's reverse of what windows is doing Jun 29 13:04:34 which doesn't comply to any standard Jun 29 13:04:34 jacekowski: i thought MacOS and linux did \n, and windows did \r\n Jun 29 13:04:38 no Jun 29 13:04:40 and nobody did \n\r Jun 29 13:04:54 same fucking thing they did to 4 pin 3.5mm jack Jun 29 13:05:01 nokia was 1st company to use it Jun 29 13:05:16 and everybody had it compatible with nokia Jun 29 13:05:23 and then apple made it fucking opposite Jun 29 13:05:35 jacekowski: oh, so macos does \n\r, and nobody else does? Jun 29 13:05:52 lcuk: i voted for it on the maemo org site, but still, 90 votes is not al lot -> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/rsap-remote_sim-support_for_n900/ Jun 29 13:06:08 BCMM: yep Jun 29 13:06:17 jacekowski: what did they swap, and can you still use an apple cable if you plug the left, right, video things in to a TV in the wrong order? Jun 29 13:06:48 BCMM: their video cable is connected to dock connector Jun 29 13:07:03 BCMM: and apple headphones are detected as tvout cable Jun 29 13:07:07 in nokia Jun 29 13:07:12 kenya888: It seems that killing rsgv-convert got it going again. So something must be blocking/looping there. Jun 29 13:07:22 jacekowski: is is now, but on older ipods there is a video out cable that comes from the headphones port Jun 29 13:07:33 X-Fade: I think you should integrate vuvuzela sound into failed autobuilder report :D http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/hildon-theme-marina_1.165/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Jun 29 13:07:42 jacekowski: oh, are these iphone headphones with a mic on them? Jun 29 13:08:06 jacekowski: I don't think Nokia was first to use 4pin 3.5 with sane/standard headphone compliant config Jun 29 13:08:08 yes Jun 29 13:08:17 wazd: We have plenty of vuvuzela sounds around already. Jun 29 13:08:29 jacekowski: are you sure the mac newline thing applies to OS X and not just Classic? Jun 29 13:08:30 it's called niggerhorn Jun 29 13:08:51 BCMM: well i fortunatelly never had to touch osx Jun 29 13:08:53 jpe - help it along then, find out about the protocol itself and what would be required Jun 29 13:09:06 BCMM: but i'm sure that it was the case with all macs i had to touch Jun 29 13:09:12 Well, I don't know what he was sdoing wrong, but it works perfectly for me :) Jun 29 13:09:18 jacekowski: OS X's graphical stuff is a pain to use, but the command line is just BSD Jun 29 13:09:20 and i think files from iphone had it in reverse as well Jun 29 13:09:27 jacekowski: and i believe they use unix newlines now Jun 29 13:09:35 lcuk: nokia doesn't want to open this protocol.... Jun 29 13:09:35 and talk about it - your passion about helping cure things will count towards whether solutions come (that is same for anything) Jun 29 13:09:40 jacekowski: easier than modifying all the BSD stuff they borrowed Jun 29 13:10:10 jpe, to be honest, when has that ever stopped anyone hacking Jun 29 13:10:27 maemo is LE? Jun 29 13:10:42 X-Fade, thanks! I've received some emails telling to fail to building :-) Jun 29 13:10:43 kenya888: Next time you have a problem with your package blocking, please don't upload 10 packages after ;) Jun 29 13:11:17 X-Fade, i think that was our fault :$ i tihnk at first it was problem with version numbers so we said push a new one Jun 29 13:11:23 X-Fade: I can't locate anything with wordpad :( Jun 29 13:11:31 X-Fade: it still fails :( Jun 29 13:11:35 wazd: Get linux? Jun 29 13:11:38 kenya888: just submit package which has "killall -u $USER" in rules Jun 29 13:11:39 wazd: Or a proper editor? Jun 29 13:11:51 X-Fade: well, it worked flawlessly before Jun 29 13:12:27 wazd: That doesn't make it right :) Specs tell you only to use \n Jun 29 13:14:38 X-Fade, OK, I understand:-) sorry for confusing... :D Jun 29 13:14:47 wazd: http://www.dos2unix.org/ Jun 29 13:14:53 kenya888: No problem :) Jun 29 13:14:58 jacekowski: i really cannot find any citation for macos using \n\r, although apparently os 9 used \r without a \n, which is the opposite of linux, in a sense Jun 29 13:15:29 X-Fade: maybe you can setup autobuilder to parse these symbols? :) Jun 29 13:15:34 wazd: No Jun 29 13:15:40 maybe Jun 29 13:15:42 BCMM: OS X uses \n, as *nix Jun 29 13:15:43 wazd: They are just not valid. Jun 29 13:15:45 it was long time ago Jun 29 13:15:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg Jun 29 13:15:51 jacekowsk, Oh, it's nice idea! :-) Jun 29 13:15:51 rofl Jun 29 13:16:12 jacekowski, thx!:-) Jun 29 13:16:47 wazd, on linux there is a dos2unix tool which will sort out the crlfs "infected" from windows - perhaps a similar windows tool is available to fix your problems and runnable directly on windows Jun 29 13:17:05 lcuk: Check the url I posted ;) Jun 29 13:17:58 lol ok X-Fade that would do it Jun 29 13:19:32 X-Fade: I still wonder why it never happened before Jun 29 13:19:50 wazd: Because the tools were from 2005 then. Jun 29 13:20:03 wazd: New tools don't like it, complain to Debian upstream :) Jun 29 13:20:11 X-Fade: hah :) Jun 29 13:20:31 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia/ Jun 29 13:20:34 Pahah Jun 29 13:21:28 I'm holding them in couples, in small cages Jun 29 13:21:39 so nobody saw the picture in the manual how to hold N900 Jun 29 13:21:59 manual? Jun 29 13:27:10 yah! I have another question again. Do you know any information for developing hildon-im-plugin except for virtual keyboard? I'd like to develop bridge plugin between hildon-im and ibus:-) Jun 29 13:28:33 X-Fade: looks like it helped, thanks a lot! :) Jun 29 13:28:47 wazd: Of course it did :D Jun 29 13:29:23 X-Fade: though Daniel says that he didn't see these symbols with nano either :) Jun 29 13:29:44 wazd: Doesn't mean they are not there. Jun 29 13:29:47 X-Fade: you have some third eye or something :D Jun 29 13:30:06 wazd: No, I just googled the error message. Jun 29 13:30:19 No magic involved. Jun 29 13:30:32 x-fade, that's amazing! you can do that?! Jun 29 13:30:33 X-Fade: oooh. Didn't think of that actually :D Jun 29 13:30:52 Most people don't, that is the problem. Jun 29 13:35:51 WTF? Jun 29 13:36:07 what? Jun 29 13:36:14 A Vuvuzela sound? You gotta be shitting me Jun 29 13:36:28 where? Jun 29 13:37:14 Being made for the repos Jun 29 13:37:42 [user@n900 user]% apt-cache search vuvuzela Jun 29 13:37:42 vuvuzela - A simple Vuvuzela application with a start & a stop button. Possibility to change the background colour. Jun 29 13:37:48 holy shit. Jun 29 13:38:44 Why the fuck does anybody want a Vuvuzela application? Seriously, gotta be fucking shitting me Jun 29 13:38:52 Sorry for publicly swearing Jun 29 13:39:01 it'd be ace if whoever's writing that application could do the world a favour and kill himself Jun 29 13:39:09 YES! Jun 29 13:39:36 I have such a fucking migraine when watching the World Cup now with that insanely disturbing vuvuzela sounds coming through Jun 29 13:40:21 just vote it down Jun 29 13:41:03 DrGrov: go watch some youtube videos with it turned on Jun 29 13:41:11 cant, its a shit app that serves no purpose other than being an annoyance to anyone unlucky enough to be near the dickhead n900 owner with it installed, but thats not a reason to downvote it if it hits testing and it actually works like it should Jun 29 13:41:34 mortini: no fuck no, no youtube videos for me with that insanely fucked up sound in the background Jun 29 13:41:54 Hi! Need help: my n900 has become useless: hangs on bootup (5 flashing dots continue for hours). Jun 29 13:42:04 reflash it Jun 29 13:42:05 i actually find vuvuzela sound (some good continuous recording thereof) to be relaxing Jun 29 13:42:05 heh Jun 29 13:42:08 reflash it Jun 29 13:42:13 relaxing!? Jun 29 13:42:13 and then dont do whatever it was you last did that broke it Jun 29 13:42:15 seriously!? Jun 29 13:42:19 if Nokia had done a little smarter on AV and audio in general, we could create an antivuvu app that filters out the annoying angry bees from audio, before feeding it to your home stereo or TV surround Jun 29 13:42:20 it blocks out the edge of hearing noises that usually catch my attention Jun 29 13:42:23 OK, i'll leave here. thanks X-Fade, lcuk, and all thank you again again again :D:D bye!! Jun 29 13:42:26 Looks like the only way to reset is to re-flash the firmware (no hardware reset button). I want to verify: this is NOT the same as me upgrading to PR1.2 via the App Manager, right? Jun 29 13:42:38 DocScrutinizer: Just install the equalizer? Jun 29 13:43:00 (If "reflashing" is the same as "upgrading to PR1.2" then the App Manager already did that.) Jun 29 13:43:10 Well, be back later. Football time in 15 minutes Jun 29 13:43:15 reflashing is a full os reinstall Jun 29 13:43:17 * pahartik does not watch any sports, but thought about listening to audio track once just to hear what "it" sounds like Jun 29 13:43:19 X-Fade: a first step on sw side, but still unclear how to get stereo in to the device Jun 29 13:43:38 anyway, me is afk again Jun 29 13:43:41 DocScrutinizer: fifa.com stream? :) Jun 29 13:43:45 The game of Japan vs Paraguay is going to start:-) Jun 29 13:43:49 nid0: Actually, this is my second n900. I had to return the first one to the store due to same problem. Can't figure out what I did to break it. One day I pulled it out of holster, and it had hung. Jun 29 13:44:11 Okay, will download the flasher deb package and reflash. Hope it works (not sure how to get it to talk to USB if hung.) Jun 29 13:44:26 kwtm: Flashing is basically reinstalling the factory software. Jun 29 13:44:39 pahartik: "it" is just a fucking annoying horn. people suddenly find vuvuzela sounds neat because it's "cultural", but the truth is the noise they make is just as fucking annoying as those tits that stand near people with air horns Jun 29 13:44:53 how can i install/setup a scratchbox pr1.1.1 sdk? Jun 29 13:45:03 I've got a bull-calling horn in my house and I learnt how to use it Jun 29 13:45:24 when there are vuvuzelas making noise nearby I just honk my horn Jun 29 13:45:38 X-Fade: Ok. I understand. I'm really just looking for a "hard reset" so it won't hang on boot-up. Is there something I should do to figure out what I did to make it crash? Some strace program or debugger code something? Jun 29 13:46:15 kwtm: Depends on how skilled you are, but then again, you wouldn't be asking that if ... ;) Jun 29 13:46:26 nidO: It has been all over news and discussions on radio... My thought is just to use "mute" on audio amplifier... But... Jun 29 13:46:26 just think about what you're doing when you use it, so that if it happens again you remember what you've done to it since last reboot Jun 29 13:46:38 actually, there is, but it is not practical. You can use the serial wires behind the battery to try and get a serial console. Jun 29 13:46:49 kwtm: Problem is that if it doesn't boot, all easy solutions go out of the door. Jun 29 13:46:53 Is there a hardware button on the n900 to do hard reset when the boot-up sequence turns into an infinite loop? (And why on earth would the bootup sequence become an infinite loop, anyway?) Jun 29 13:46:59 no Jun 29 13:47:06 maemo doesnt tend to just up and die of it's own accord, you've probably hit onto a broken devel application or you've tried manually changing things yourself and done it wrong Jun 29 13:47:16 Probably because your rootfs is corrupted. Jun 29 13:47:20 Or full Jun 29 13:47:30 X-Fade: Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. If two n900's in a row (this is my second one) keep coming up with the same problem, I'll just have to return it and get a droid or something. :( Jun 29 13:47:37 kwtm: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 29 13:47:53 Flashing takes a minute though. Jun 29 13:48:05 kwtm, why're you afraid of that? as we said when you first asked, just reflash the device Jun 29 13:48:06 But really, I wonder how you managed to do that. Jun 29 13:48:11 its like a 2 minute process to reset it Jun 29 13:48:36 X-Fade: Well, something corrupted rootfs on two n900's in a row. It's probably something from maemo.org that I installed, but if I can't install apps, I might as well buy some $10 phone or something. Jun 29 13:48:51 how many have you installed from -devel. Jun 29 13:49:00 kwtm, do you install apps from extras, or from extras-devel also? Jun 29 13:49:05 nidO: Because when it crashes while I'm in the middle of work, I can't reflash it. Then my phone is useless until I can get home and have a chance to reflash. Jun 29 13:49:34 kwtm: It hasn't happened to me ever and I install all kind of dodgy software on purpose. Jun 29 13:49:39 ditto Jun 29 13:49:44 lcuk: I haven't enabled any other repositories, just what was visible in App Manager when I first turned on the device. I guess that's "extras" but not "extras-devel"? Jun 29 13:49:59 X-Fade: Maybe I got two bad ones in a batch? I did get both from the same store. Jun 29 13:50:04 kwtm: No way that an app from Extras can have caused it. Jun 29 13:50:18 kwtm: Flash your device and see if that fixes it. Jun 29 13:50:23 X-Fade: What do you think? Bad microSD card? (It couldn't be a bad SIM card would it?) Jun 29 13:50:41 kwtm: broken mmc is very very rare. Jun 29 13:50:49 X-Fade: I will reflash it. On the other hand, the n900 was working perfectly until one time when I pulled it out, the screen was completely black and unresponsive. Jun 29 13:51:03 kwtm: Did you remove the battery? Jun 29 13:51:08 havent really seen any of them either here or on tmo other than ones that've been dropped and had the card knocked loose Jun 29 13:51:15 kwtm, i dont know offhand what you managed to do (obviously) but your case does not sound normal in the least Jun 29 13:51:21 X-fade: After I could not get it to respond, I removed the battery and replaced it. Jun 29 13:51:36 kwtm: Ok. Jun 29 13:51:40 lcuk: That is reassuring. At least now I know I have some hope of getting a n900 that does not do this. Jun 29 13:52:28 kwtm: It really sounds like a software issue, but it is hard to debug without access to the device. (And a jig) :) Jun 29 13:52:30 kwtm, i am also doubtful its hardware related Jun 29 13:52:42 Oh, the first n900 had this behaviour where it got slower and slower (e.g. 30 seconds to respond to a tap). Is there something I should have done (e.g. on the X-terminal) before it became completely unresponsive? Jun 29 13:52:58 if you reflash, restore your apps and take a backup of your normal working set Jun 29 13:53:01 Yes, close some apps :) Jun 29 13:53:06 Okay, I'm going to reflash it now. Wish me luck! (or "wish me lcuk"! :) ) Jun 29 13:53:11 some widgets have memory leaks which will cause that kind of behavior over a period of a few days Jun 29 13:53:13 come back here with those and we can see if there is potentially anything in those apps Jun 29 13:53:21 No luck needed though. Jun 29 13:53:36 ie, do you know which apps you installed last Jun 29 13:53:58 ie, did you do the maemo5 upgrade from app manager, or had you already flashed pr1.2 directly Jun 29 13:58:05 is it possible to setup a pr1.1.1 scratchbox environment? Jun 29 13:58:23 aboyer: yes, but why? Jun 29 13:58:41 X-Fade: in order to build an application for a pr1.1.1 device Jun 29 13:59:10 why? Jun 29 13:59:14 aboyer: Just build it on PR1.2 with symbols enabled and make sure you don't use a new api? Jun 29 13:59:21 why still in pr1.1.1 ? Jun 29 13:59:54 E0x, because some folks dont upgrade - its like people still used chinook even when diablo came out Jun 29 13:59:56 we have an instalation which is using 1.1.1 and upgrading is not really an option since it would take to much time for the QA... Jun 29 14:01:20 X-Fade: what do you mean "with symbols enabled"? is that a scratchbox thing or a compiler thing? Jun 29 14:02:10 aboyer: if you use the squeeze devkit in scratchbox and install maemo-sdk-symbols, it will be done automagically. Jun 29 14:02:32 aboyer: It will then always specify the lowest version dependencies possible. Jun 29 14:03:02 some kind of voodoo! Jun 29 14:03:12 X-Fade: ok, thanks. i'll try that out... Jun 29 14:03:12 :D and awesome Jun 29 14:03:17 Which is what we do on the autobuilder. Jun 29 14:03:27 aboyer: Just submit your app there to see if it works ;) Jun 29 14:03:38 if it is opensource of course. Jun 29 14:03:39 About flashing: to reset the device, I do *not* need to read the part about "flash eMMC", just "flashing the firmware", right? Jun 29 14:03:52 kwtm, yes initially Jun 29 14:03:53 kwtm: Yes, try firmware only first. Jun 29 14:04:05 X-Fade: one more question, if i setup a new scratchbox environment (as of today), will squeeze be the default devkit? Jun 29 14:04:12 aboyer: no Jun 29 14:04:21 But you can install it in parallel. Jun 29 14:04:27 And switch between them. Jun 29 14:05:20 hmm... that is what i tried doing in the first place (having multiple targets in scratchbox) but it borked my 1.1.1 target, hence the questions here today... Jun 29 14:05:53 That is what we use sbdmock for. Jun 29 14:06:54 * aboyer googles sbdmock Jun 29 14:07:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Building_packages_with_sbdmock Jun 29 14:09:09 mmm, now marina package is 48 kb Jun 29 14:09:18 and screwed obviously :) Jun 29 14:09:48 Could someone verify that the firmware I should download for flashing is "PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1"? It's marked "latest global Maemo 5". I should *not* use "OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11" which is just marked "global Maemo 5", right? Or is the "latest" too bleeding edge to use? Jun 29 14:10:09 kwtm: latest is 19-1 == PR1.2 Jun 29 14:10:47 X-Fade: Thanks. I didn't notice that option till I started downloading the other one. Jun 29 14:10:56 Crumm, it's going to be a 45-minute download. Jun 29 14:11:29 X-Fade: I don;'t think that wrong symbols cause that :) Size: 8330 bytes Jun 29 14:12:43 wazd: Sorry, try to find someone else to look at it, really need to work on other things. Jun 29 14:12:55 X-Fade: ok, nm :) Jun 29 14:15:22 * X-Fade just imported 500+ packages from Extras into OBS to see how many will build. Jun 29 14:18:52 greetings everyone. Jun 29 14:19:57 D-Iivil: well, I don't know what you're doing wrong, but I got it to work first time :P Jun 29 14:20:05 * D-Iivil just witnessed the fastest Nokia repair ever! Jun 29 14:20:21 D-Iivil: :) Jun 29 14:20:25 alterego, that's weird Jun 29 14:20:41 D-Iivil: They're usually pretty good in my experience, but I think people have different, erm, experiences. Jun 29 14:20:54 alterego, yeah. Jun 29 14:21:26 alterego, can you drop the link to the source tar, so I can play with it later tonight? Jun 29 14:22:04 I currently don't have remote access to my work PC which I downloaded the files earlier today... Jun 29 14:22:30 Okay, baring in mind, that I tested on device, _not_ scratchbox, as I don't have scratchbox installed. Jun 29 14:22:53 alterego, I will test it also on my device now that I got it back :P Jun 29 14:24:10 D-Iivil: http://alterego.metapath.org/libosso-plugin-exec-loader-0.2.tar.bz2 Jun 29 14:24:30 The only issue I had, was your script quits straight away if your THEMEDIR doesn't exist. Jun 29 14:24:35 And it didn't on my device :) Jun 29 14:24:50 So I just commented out that conditional and it workd fine. Jun 29 14:25:01 Albeit, I couldn't even run it from the console because of the above issue so ... Jun 29 14:25:14 yeah. Jun 29 14:26:38 alterego, justo be sure, can you also send me the .so file built by you so I can try that also if mine won't work? Jun 29 14:27:06 Sure Jun 29 14:29:20 D-Iivil: http://alterego.metapath.org/libplastictheme-cploader.so Jun 29 14:29:53 alterego, thanks :) Jun 29 14:30:10 np Jun 29 14:30:12 X-Fade: Hey, you said you installed all sorts of "dodgy software" and your n900 never went into infinite loop on bootup. You're using the 2010.19-1 firmware, right? Jun 29 14:30:18 will try those later this evening. Now I gotta feed the kids -> Jun 29 14:30:30 kwtm: yes, of course. Jun 29 14:31:04 Ok, thx. Still downloading firmware. Jun 29 14:35:15 I've installed quite a lot of stuff and I've never had an infinite reboot .. Jun 29 14:35:55 me too. Jun 29 14:36:14 Strange how it seems to be the newbs that suffer that issue :) Jun 29 14:38:56 well, experienced users learned not to do things that lead to infinite reboots ;) Jun 29 14:39:05 I guess so .. Jun 29 14:39:33 But all these users seem to think it's developers fault, 99% of the time it's "after I installed package X from extras" Jun 29 14:43:32 * noobmonk3y sits and waits for the abuse.......... Jun 29 14:43:37 * noobmonk3y prods frals Jun 29 14:44:13 ~ping Jun 29 14:44:14 ~pong Jun 29 14:47:06 Whats its better maemo or android Jun 29 14:47:35 * noobmonk3y lols at the amount of ~seen noobmonk3y's in the logs, wooops, but gotta goto a meeting too! Jun 29 14:47:50 * noobmonk3y prods frals on the way out... my first random push mms!!! - can see it's there, but wont download lol! Jun 29 14:48:14 Anyone knows how i can install app in another mmc Jun 29 14:48:26 Because i dont have enough space Jun 29 14:49:54 help! typing this with 1 hand. i am trying 2 flash. am holding down u key with other hand on n900. when i plug in usb cable, is it supposed to turn on? Jun 29 14:50:10 do i have 2 let go of u key first? Jun 29 14:53:22 kwtm: u should just work Jun 29 14:53:33 hold down on turning it on, wait for symbol at top right, let go Jun 29 14:53:44 rex1: What are you trying to install? It's saying you're out of space? Jun 29 14:54:26 noob_afk: Okay, that did not happen. When I plugged in USB cable, screen remained dark for 2 minutes. Jun 29 14:54:47 noob_afk: I removed battery, then put back in, and was able to get the dark screen. It seems to be flashing now. Jun 29 14:54:57 kwtm: Pressed the powerbutton? Jun 29 14:55:00 It says flashed successfully. We will see what it does. Jun 29 14:55:20 X-Fade: tried that, too, but hard to hold down power button while keyboard is slid open so I can press U key, Jun 29 14:55:39 kwtm: Try 2 hands? Jun 29 14:55:54 Or linux where you don't need to :) Jun 29 14:56:00 X-Fade: Well, that's what I ended up doing, so now I know that that did not work either. But removing the battery and replacing did. Jun 29 14:56:02 Just bought a new bike :) Jun 29 14:56:19 Okay, this does not look hopeful. The flashing dots continue. I will let it go for another 15 minutes then I have to go to work. Jun 29 14:56:41 kwtm: Did you see a progress bar on the screen while flashing? Jun 29 14:57:18 X-Fade: Yes, I did, and the shell prompt says "CMT flashed successfully", so the flashing was successful. Jun 29 14:57:43 kwtm: Ok, then it might be your emmc which needs flashing. Jun 29 14:57:44 Question is: with the old or new firmware, what's keeping it from running properly? Checking the memory or something? Random bit flipped in the RAM or something? :P Jun 29 14:58:12 crashanddie: show it Jun 29 14:58:25 ptmn: don't have it yet, it arrives early next week Jun 29 14:58:27 Okay, will read up on emmc. Is that just the RAM that acts like a RAM disk (the 25+ GB of space)? Jun 29 14:58:42 Interresting, with fine accuracy my app is saying that horizontal accuracy is about 6k meters :o Jun 29 14:58:47 No it is just flash storage. 32GB. Jun 29 14:58:54 just a cheap 125cc bike, nothing fancy. Just happy I'm going to have two wheels again (my full bike licence was revoked three years ago) Jun 29 14:59:13 * frals slaps noob_afk around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 14:59:21 I don't think it's actually in meters .. Jun 29 15:00:12 * ptmn rides a 0cc bike Jun 29 15:00:18 :3 Jun 29 15:00:44 kwtm, you could simply have found a serious bug in a single extras application. Jun 29 15:01:10 X-Fade: It says "always flash the FIASCO image and then the eMMC without booting". What is the FIASCO image? Is that the firmware I just flashed? Jun 29 15:01:10 More likely that his emmc got corrupted. Jun 29 15:01:14 we dont know off hand it will be interesting to see your app list and some stas from your mahcine (space available etc) Jun 29 15:01:23 kwtm: yes, that is the firmware. Jun 29 15:01:38 kwtm: But don't worry about that warning ;) Jun 29 15:01:40 lcuk: I believe we just heard from this group that "newbies always think it's the developer's fault that there's a bug." I'm going to let the rest of you figure it out. Jun 29 15:01:58 Me, I'll just continue to think that Nokia should have put a hardware reset. Jun 29 15:02:16 kwtm: Where is the hardware reset on your PC or Mac? Jun 29 15:02:19 hardware reset? Jun 29 15:02:56 x-fade: In the power button, where, upon reboot, the BIOS is not corrupted by changes in memory contents. But I was thinking more along the lines of a phone. Jun 29 15:03:14 kwtm: It is not being sold as a phone. Jun 29 15:03:21 X-Fade: Bullshit. Jun 29 15:03:32 kwtm: A mobile computer, with phone capabilities ;) Jun 29 15:03:35 X-Fade: It's being offered by several carriers as a phone. Jun 29 15:03:37 X-Fade: E.g. if I don't care that my n900 doesn't work properly but I need to make that phone call when I'm stranded in the middle of a deserted highway, then I should be able to at least get phone functionality. Jun 29 15:03:41 X-Fade: And in many shops. Jun 29 15:03:50 SpeedEvil: Sure, but nokia doesn't call that. Jun 29 15:03:53 X-Fade: none of them say 'this is not a phone'. Jun 29 15:04:14 Do they call any of their phones phones? Jun 29 15:04:16 Okay, I'll let the rest of you hash out whether the n900 should be used as a phone or not. I'm going to read up on emmc flashing. Thx. Jun 29 15:04:25 Anyway, flashing both firmware and emmc will put it in factory default state. Jun 29 15:05:28 kwtm: I was stating what I believed to be a rather accurate statistic that when users get into infinte reboots they automatically blame the last package they installed. Jun 29 15:05:32 When I downloaded the firmware labeled "2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin", does the "combined" mean I've also already downloaded eMMC? Or is that a separate download? Jun 29 15:05:37 And I think I said 99% :P Which isn't everyone Jun 29 15:05:48 kwtm: it's seperate Jun 29 15:06:00 kwtm: No, that is just old firmware. Jun 29 15:06:11 alterego: I'm not doubting you. But if there is anything you think I might be doing which I shouldn't, I'd love to hear it. My second n900 had tread very carefully, and yet the same error happened. Jun 29 15:06:25 * alterego contemplates writing an app that integrates street view with GPS Jun 29 15:06:34 alterego: You can't. Jun 29 15:06:35 alterego: (legally) Jun 29 15:06:51 Sort of like augmented reality, where the augmentation is actually looking back in time .. woo0000ooo Jun 29 15:06:59 SpeedEvil: really? Why not? Jun 29 15:07:04 alterego: The terms and conditions of streetview are basically that if you're really, really nice, and promise not to remember too much, you can look at it. Jun 29 15:07:12 SpeedEvil: alterego can't legally contemplate it? MUA HA HA Ha Ha ha ha ... here comes the thought police. :) Jun 29 15:07:41 Well, how is this goign to make people "remember" ... Jun 29 15:07:47 They use street view on the android phone .. Jun 29 15:07:50 alterego: You can't view the streetview content outside of the google service, can't download it, ... Jun 29 15:07:51 phone/s Jun 29 15:07:52 Okay, I'm downloading the eMMC image and it says "1 hour 49 minutes remaining". I think I'll leave it to download while I go to work. :P Jun 29 15:08:02 Outside of approved apps that is. Jun 29 15:08:18 I know, I'll be using an embedded webkit with streetview being fed information from my app outside Jun 29 15:08:38 X-Fade: When you said I can ignore the warning about rebooting between the FIASCO image and the eMMC image, does that mean I can try rebooting my n900 to see if the flashing worked? If I can get it working before I go to work, it means I can use the n900 for work. Jun 29 15:08:42 check the t&cs - they are nasty. Jun 29 15:08:49 Meh, fuck 'em, they can sue me. Jun 29 15:08:57 kwtm: That warning is only valid when you upgrade versions. Jun 29 15:09:06 Then I'll ask them to hand over the wifi data they ripped out of my wifi as they were driving past. Jun 29 15:09:19 kwtm: But as you are about to wipe your device, that doesn't matter. Jun 29 15:09:30 X-Fade: But I guess I was using the old maemo 5 --Oh, I see. It only applies if I was using Maemo 4? Jun 29 15:09:37 kwtm: No. Jun 29 15:09:46 ptmn: http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2010-Honda-CBF125-white-and-black-1.jpg Jun 29 15:09:48 X-Fade: Oh, I see, the consequences of not following those instructions are just that the device gets wiped. So I don't need to care in my case, right? Jun 29 15:09:50 kwtm: If you were using something older than 19-1 Jun 29 15:10:08 kwtm: Everything will be gone anyway. Jun 29 15:10:18 X-Fade, nope its not. kwtm do not bootup between flashing the main image and the emmc Jun 29 15:10:20 X-Fade: Okay, will try rebooting to see if this works. (I hate removing the battery cover --I have to struggle and sometimes it cuts into the skin under my nails) Jun 29 15:10:34 because if you then flash the emmc you will wipe the /opt Jun 29 15:10:38 and be in the wrong state Jun 29 15:10:39 lcuk: emmc was already 19-1 Jun 29 15:11:02 lcuk: Okay. Alright, to play it safe I'll just leave the n900 alone and use my trusty if clunky Treo 650. :P Jun 29 15:11:19 Thanks, guys. Jun 29 15:11:49 Btw, what time zone are you in? I don't seem to get as many responses in this IRC channel when I check it in my evenings (around 0:00 GMT) Jun 29 15:12:06 Everyone is dead at that time, I guess. Ozzies here, right? Jun 29 15:12:10 kwtm: a lot of us are in BST/GMT+1 Jun 29 15:12:39 kwtm: I used to be in Oz, back in the old continent now, there's a handful of ausers Jun 29 15:12:50 Okay. Well, this is a more helpful crowd than whoever comes here at ... wait, I said 0000h GMT, but I probably should ahve said 0400h GMT. Jun 29 15:12:52 map of maemo people: http://pininthemap.com/maemo europe is the hotspot Jun 29 15:13:04 MohammadAG51: ping? Jun 29 15:15:51 ok, they aren't acquiring all of it, but they are getting the certificate authority Jun 29 15:16:05 oh well, at least they aren't getting a root nameserver Jun 29 15:16:28 BCMM: ? Jun 29 15:16:37 -ECHAN? Jun 29 15:16:40 kwtm: you're using an old fiasko img. 2010... is the newest Jun 29 15:16:50 X-Fade: i would appear to have changed channel without noticing Jun 29 15:16:58 kwtm: you don't need to flash eMMC to upgrade Jun 29 15:17:05 BCMM: Sounded interesting ;) Jun 29 15:17:15 hey all Jun 29 15:17:42 X-Fade: symantec acquiring verisign's security business Jun 29 15:17:57 ouch Jun 29 15:18:05 X-Fade: as we say on Slashdot, whatcouldpossiblygowrong Jun 29 15:18:16 BCMM: nutin... Jun 29 15:18:18 kwtm: if you flash eMMC (the VANILLA img) then you MUST AVOID booting after eMMC flashing and you MUSTflash COMBINED after eMMC Jun 29 15:18:28 I have a package which should place a file into /etc/event.d/ on installation Jun 29 15:18:35 the file is in the .deb Jun 29 15:18:39 but it is not installed Jun 29 15:18:51 could anyone please help me finding out why? Jun 29 15:18:52 kwtm: the wiki is pretty clear about that Jun 29 15:19:20 ~tell kwtm about flashing Jun 29 15:22:44 what's a version of BME in n8x0? Jun 29 15:25:31 jacekowski: a totally different one, as the hw has nothing in common between N810 and N900 Jun 29 15:25:56 well it would be nice to compare Jun 29 15:26:04 jacekowski: you REALLY want to know? Jun 29 15:26:12 yep Jun 29 15:26:19 k, hold on Jun 29 15:31:33 DocScrutinizer: Thank you for your advice. I wanted to clarify the advice I heard from another member of this channel who SEEMED to be saying that this advice no longer applied, so perhaps you could let the member in question know. Thanks. Jun 29 15:32:35 Anyway, now firefox has crashed, so I'm going to restart my 2 hour download. :P Jun 29 15:33:38 kwtm: should resume Jun 29 15:36:40 jacekowski: sorry for delay, the friggin N810 decided to panic & reboot once more Jun 29 15:36:48 How many channels does the N900 GPS have? 10? Jun 29 15:37:23 I guess a lot more Jun 29 15:37:56 I can't see it being any more than 12 .. Jun 29 15:40:48 alterego: the definition of "channel" is somewhat fuzzy on GPS Jun 29 15:41:33 well, how many sattelites can it track Jun 29 15:41:39 DocScrutinizer: I didn't think it was that fuzzy, how many satellites can the inbuilt GPS on the N900 use simultaneously? Jun 29 15:41:42 :) Jun 29 15:41:48 I've got 5 right now. Jun 29 15:42:16 builtin Jun 29 15:42:21 not inbuild Jun 29 15:42:29 jacekowski: pedant Jun 29 15:42:41 I said inbuilt Jun 29 15:42:44 Nod inbuild Jun 29 15:42:45 alterego: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=365173&eventPage=3 Jun 29 15:42:49 s/Nod/not/ Jun 29 15:42:49 alterego meant: not inbuild Jun 29 15:42:52 alterego: not Jun 29 15:42:57 hmmm Jun 29 15:42:59 no Jun 29 15:43:06 TI GPS5030 Jun 29 15:43:09 there's a more meaningful defnition for GPS, and that's hardware corellator Jun 29 15:43:29 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12028&contentId=4636 Jun 29 15:43:48 jacekowski: anyhow, inbuilt is fine, I don't see why you would even bother trying to correct me .. Jun 29 15:43:54 Unless this is some stupid American thing. Jun 29 15:44:40 builtin is only correct form in english Jun 29 15:44:46 bull shit Jun 29 15:44:59 Anyway ... Jun 29 15:46:37 jacekowski: seems there's no TI GPS5030 Jun 29 15:47:30 I didn't realize we got the Qt mobility API's in PR1.2 ... Jun 29 15:47:34 sweeeeeeeeet Jun 29 15:48:05 jacekowski, nevertheles, WrodNet recognizes the term, as a synonym for built-in (not that I'd have seen it before) Jun 29 15:48:39 synonyms are tricky; sometimes there are subtle shades of meaning Jun 29 15:49:29 <_0x47> hey, my menu icon doesn't show up before rebooting, but I have the gtk-update-icon-cache... in the postinst script. in fact it doesn't even show up after updating the cache manually. it shows up after rebooting tho. what did i do wrong? Jun 29 15:49:57 _0x47: probably nothing, it happens for every app I've installed ... Jun 29 15:50:16 <_0x47> but it doesn't happen to all the apps I've downloaded before? Jun 29 15:50:23 <_0x47> is it a SDK problem? Jun 29 15:54:15 flux: it's american Jun 29 15:54:19 flux: it's not a proper english Jun 29 15:54:38 DocScrutinizer: i found it on ti website Jun 29 15:54:43 DocScrutinizer: with note that it's not for end users Jun 29 15:54:47 DocScrutinizer: just for big manufacturers Jun 29 15:55:06 jacekowski: what? Jun 29 15:55:21 DocScrutinizer: that gps Jun 29 15:55:26 aah Jun 29 15:55:29 hardware correlator i mean Jun 29 15:55:38 corellator* Jun 29 15:55:46 anyways Jun 29 15:55:48 bye Jun 29 15:55:50 home time Jun 29 16:03:17 hey, MyDocs is read-only after a crash (N900), anyone know how to fix? Jun 29 16:04:15 damn i forgot my nickserv pass because it was stored in my keychain for years Jun 29 16:04:17 how can i retain it? Jun 29 16:05:44 /msg nickserv help i recon Jun 29 16:06:10 sar3th|n900, you could run fat repairing tools from a PC on it Jun 29 16:06:25 sar3th|n900, or you could unmount it in n900 and run fsck.vfat on it Jun 29 16:06:38 ok flux, ty, i will try that Jun 29 16:06:49 will xchat crash when i unmount it? lol Jun 29 16:07:03 unlikely Jun 29 16:07:10 it might refuse to unmount if there are open files there, though Jun 29 16:07:24 k Jun 29 16:07:28 if that's the case, lsof should help you find the processes that have those Jun 29 16:07:38 it worked :) Jun 29 16:07:45 now running fsck.vfat Jun 29 16:08:12 oh right, and as always, keep backups of your data 8-) Jun 29 16:08:53 "FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?" Jun 29 16:09:05 difficult questions, yes.. Jun 29 16:09:15 :/ Jun 29 16:09:25 if you aren't too worried about the data, I suppose it doesn't matter Jun 29 16:09:43 i will remount it l8tr then and backup anything which is still readable Jun 29 16:09:57 i'd hate to loose this weekend's photos Jun 29 16:10:07 you could probably abort the fsck and do it right now (even if it is read-only) Jun 29 16:10:29 (infact, you should possibly ensure it is read-only when you mount it :-)) Jun 29 16:10:30 yes, i figured, but i don't have a pc at hand Jun 29 16:10:42 send them to your email :) Jun 29 16:11:31 alterego, ping Jun 29 16:11:32 it will be faster to wait 1h till i am home, cos its so much ;) but ty for the suggestion Jun 29 16:11:58 good luck Jun 29 16:12:04 thanks :) Jun 29 16:18:45 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.200/ <- feel free to test :) Jun 29 16:19:39 wazd, will test right away :) Jun 29 16:20:26 D-Iivil: you can probably wait for 1.201 or just ignore lockscreen bug :) Jun 29 16:20:50 wazd, what bug is there? Jun 29 16:21:04 D-Iivil: wrong wallpaper :) Jun 29 16:21:23 (I'm on 2G connection so it will take some time to download the package...) Jun 29 16:22:03 wazd, heh, shit happens :P Any plans for new themes btw? Jun 29 16:22:22 D-Iivil: I have plans but don't have much time :( Jun 29 16:22:43 wazd, really liked Marina theme coz it was Solarion "finished" in all areas. Jun 29 16:22:43 ups Jun 29 16:22:57 autocomplete beat :P Jun 29 16:23:18 D-Iivil: well, now it's even more finished :) Jun 29 16:23:49 yep :) Jun 29 16:23:56 D-Iivil: I think I've fixed all bugs (except for "gear" one, that won't be fixed) :) Jun 29 16:24:09 43 percent done... Jun 29 16:24:30 btw, are you using photoshop or what? Jun 29 16:28:24 D-Iivil: yep Jun 29 16:30:37 wazd, Bug: your theme is names as "my example theme" in the list where you select the theme ;) Jun 29 16:30:47 named, not names... Jun 29 16:31:45 new virtual keyboard looks nice. Jun 29 16:33:25 D-Iivil: yeah, actually I don't know what's wrong with that since control looks just fine Jun 29 16:33:43 also forgot to change painted text color Jun 29 16:34:01 but now, penalties! Jun 29 16:34:13 good luck Japan Jun 29 16:34:21 wazd, it is not control file what is used for that Jun 29 16:34:42 run the .sh script again and remember to type in theme name. Jun 29 16:42:34 aw, fucking ninjas :( Jun 29 16:43:09 wazd :( ninjas got your family again? Jun 29 16:47:30 bbl Jun 29 16:53:10 is ovi store working for the N900 ? Jun 29 17:04:42 no, seriously, that changelog bug is not normal Jun 29 17:04:56 I even tried Dreamweaver and it "corrupts" it too Jun 29 17:07:13 wazd libraries on windows do the same all over - and yes it is corruption, it can also be the mechanism you are using to copy files Jun 29 17:07:24 winscp has options to automagically translate Jun 29 17:10:45 lcuk: so using FTP client to edit text file is normal nowadays? :) Jun 29 17:11:06 * DocScrutinizer mumbles UTF-8, UTF-16, cp4711, IBM850, ISO8859-1... Jun 29 17:12:13 it's like using columbia shuttle to travel to the grocery Jun 29 17:12:55 wazd - tomatoes grown in zeroG are delicious! Jun 29 17:13:36 Not much good if you prefer them raw, not roasted though. Jun 29 17:45:01 how difficult it can sometimes be to get two under four years old to fall asleep... Jun 29 17:46:29 D-Iivil: http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/babyliqour_wm.png Jun 29 17:46:31 D-Iivil, kiddy valium Jun 29 17:48:06 baseball bat. Jun 29 17:48:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_sjsz2cKFE Jun 29 17:48:27 especially when they are already tired... they go just grazy and I'm trying to compile a god damn small piece of software nearby... Jun 29 17:48:43 heya konttori \o Jun 29 17:48:46 hi Jun 29 17:48:48 sup? Jun 29 17:48:49 D-Iivil, get them involved with compilation Jun 29 17:48:55 give em a laptop and gentoo Jun 29 17:49:20 konttori, just chilling after tea :) Jun 29 17:49:51 hows your hacking going? Jun 29 17:50:14 no much hacking. Well, I did some qml particle effects last week Jun 29 17:50:38 but nothing much. harmattan taking every ounce of my energy for the past month or so Jun 29 17:50:50 looks like we are on the winning end of the battle though Jun 29 17:50:56 sure Jun 29 17:51:02 vldcnst, LOL that story and images :D Jun 29 17:51:03 :) Jun 29 17:51:12 mooo lcuk, konttori, frals Jun 29 17:51:24 EHLO RST38h o/ Jun 29 17:51:47 lcuk: have you made any home screen live wallpapers? Jun 29 17:51:53 would be nice to install some Jun 29 17:52:08 konttori, ive managed somethings too - w00t_ and a few other guys from collabora have been hacking some things together on liqbase and cleaning up things Jun 29 17:52:22 oh, cool Jun 29 17:52:41 yeah it would, ive not done much in rgb yet - ive heard theres some nice ogl wallpapers around somewhere though :) Jun 29 17:52:48 frals, you're supposed to identify yourself in EHLO, not the other party. Jun 29 17:52:53 g\o RST38h Jun 29 17:53:37 * w00t_ waves at konttori :) Jun 29 17:53:39 konttori, silly video http://liqbase.net/20100626_005.mp4 Jun 29 17:54:48 lcuk: sweet Jun 29 17:55:22 lcuk: where are the ogl wallpapers? Jun 29 17:55:35 the video looked pretty smooth. anything else your gallery does? Jun 29 17:55:39 i dunno Jun 29 17:55:48 yeah, plenty :p Jun 29 17:56:42 w00t_ brought the x86 branch back to life too :) Jun 29 17:58:51 with that rotation stuff its letting me bring the bookreader back - ive been reading in portrait with same kinetics and smoothness i normally have Jun 29 17:59:20 (reading in landscape on 900 was a bit cramped, but it comes back amazingly so in portrait :) Jun 29 18:02:05 alterego, ping Jun 29 18:03:40 D-Iivil: pong Jun 29 18:03:59 I personally don't see the point of smoothness. Jun 29 18:04:16 At least for books. It's easier to read if it's static, and you just flip pages. Jun 29 18:05:07 alterego, don't know what's wrong but when I use the .so file built by you it's working. If I build the file myself it won't work :D Jun 29 18:05:36 alterego, so it must be something to do with buildin @ scratchbox Jun 29 18:05:40 How do I know if I have uprgaded my N900 to PR1.2? Jun 29 18:05:55 Hrm, D-Iivil what target are you using?# Jun 29 18:06:02 Zucca: Settings -> about Jun 29 18:06:23 alterego, the sme I use for theme building: FREA Jun 29 18:06:26 oops Jun 29 18:06:38 :) Jun 29 18:06:41 alterego, fremantle_x86 Jun 29 18:06:51 ;) Jun 29 18:06:56 (damn these tiny buttons) Jun 29 18:07:36 SpeedEvil: http://omploader.org/vNHM5dg/About_N900.jpg Jun 29 18:08:05 10.2010 is 1.2 Jun 29 18:08:08 konttori, are you watching th eworld cup Jun 29 18:08:23 Also - there are some fun things you can do with peoples IMEIs Jun 29 18:08:23 Zucca: you probably don't want to be pasting that info about .. Jun 29 18:09:00 alterego: Jeah just thought about that. :( Jun 29 18:09:41 btw, does anyone know if it's possible to ssh to N900 via usb-cable? Jun 29 18:10:00 I currently don't have wi-fi @ my summer house Jun 29 18:10:06 D-Iivil: I do it al lthe time Jun 29 18:10:13 Do you use usb networking? Jun 29 18:10:42 D-Iivil: Anyway, open an xterm on the N900, you need to become root, however you do that. then once root do: ifup usb0 Jun 29 18:10:43 alterego, errr... I suppose no since I've never heard the term before. Jun 29 18:11:11 Now on your desktop machine, open a term and type sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 Jun 29 18:11:18 The N900's IP is 192.168.2.15 Jun 29 18:13:22 lcuk: oh shait, will move to telly now. Jun 29 18:13:57 lol konttori indeed Jun 29 18:23:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking D-Iivil Jun 29 18:24:06 SpeedEvil, yeah. Found the page as soon as alterego mentioned the magic word "usb networking" Jun 29 18:28:12 k Jun 29 18:31:43 bme strace: ioctl(3, 0x6000, 0xbef73920) = -1 ENOTTY Jun 29 18:31:50 posiible reason? Jun 29 18:32:15 there is no tty Jun 29 18:32:31 the device where you are trying to apply your ioctl is no damn tty Jun 29 18:34:05 eh Jun 29 18:34:53 I scrolled up but found no context Jun 29 18:35:07 e-yes: possible reason for what? Jun 29 18:35:14 and are you using power kernel Jun 29 18:37:37 RST38h, open("/dev/twl4030-adc", O_RDONLY) = 3 // before. and seems it works in maemo Jun 29 18:37:45 damn this 2G connection... drives me grazy. Jun 29 18:37:57 ShadowJK, omap1 with some kernel-power patches Jun 29 18:38:36 work in maemo.... what are you doing? Jun 29 18:38:50 do you have bq27200 kernel module btw? Jun 29 18:39:18 on bme start - no Jun 29 18:40:50 loaded after it starts. strace in maemo is after bq27 loaded too Jun 29 18:41:59 e-yes: your ioctl is probably wrong Jun 29 18:42:20 you can open the device all right, but it does not guarantee you that it will support any ioctl Jun 29 18:42:27 uh, this strace is of your own bme? Jun 29 18:43:09 or what, I'm missing context here Jun 29 18:43:12 it's bme_RX-51 in chroot (to maemo root) Jun 29 18:43:46 And this strace after bq27200 kernel module loaded? Jun 29 18:43:52 yes Jun 29 18:44:03 How does bme behave otherwise, what lead you to stracing it? Jun 29 18:44:44 i wish it running not in maemo (nitdroid) Jun 29 18:45:09 e-yes: i'm sure you are looking forward to jrbme Jun 29 18:45:51 flailingmonkey, yes, his post is opened in my browser right now;) Jun 29 18:45:59 e-eye: and it's not working? Jun 29 18:46:06 what post? Jun 29 18:46:10 e-yes: are you running it on real device Jun 29 18:46:15 e-yes: or in scrachbox Jun 29 18:46:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=658278&postcount=861 Jun 29 18:46:43 jacekowski, of couse on real device Jun 29 18:46:55 jacekowski is even going as far as disassembling and analysing bme Jun 29 18:47:31 at this point I think he is comparing it with N800 (maybe N810) bme, i'm not sure why Jun 29 18:47:48 well, not really comparing Jun 29 18:47:52 The only thing I'd wanna learn from RE of bme is the protocol bme speaks to the rest of the os... Jun 29 18:48:01 i just want to see if it's same thing Jun 29 18:48:03 the hw parts we know how to drive :) Jun 29 18:48:11 and it seems to be the same Jun 29 18:48:35 Then you haven't found the right parts yet Jun 29 18:48:38 reverse engineering is overkill (for me), just want figure out why bme running, but charging doesn't work Jun 29 18:48:46 well, i mean the logic is same Jun 29 18:48:58 bme maemo5 speaks a different protocol than maemo4 bme Jun 29 18:49:04 hardware interface part is different Jun 29 18:49:14 and the charging system on N8x0 is vastly different Jun 29 18:49:28 bme can blow up your battery on N8x0 :) Jun 29 18:49:31 ShadowJK: logic is almost copy&pasted Jun 29 18:49:47 big part of it Jun 29 18:50:01 e-yes: that script wont work btw Jun 29 18:50:37 Okay one thing that is bothering me is that skype video calling does not work Jun 29 18:50:53 Is there a bug in the latest update? Jun 29 18:51:00 I use stock bme, looking in script for a clue what happens in strace Jun 29 18:51:14 e-yes: fuck all Jun 29 18:51:21 e-yes: strace will look exactly the same Jun 29 18:51:30 jacekowski: i'm not surprised, and it supports DocScrutinizer's cargocult theory Jun 29 18:51:30 well Jun 29 18:51:46 jacekowski, strace is without any comments;) Jun 29 18:51:46 e-yes: 3rd param is address to struct with all data Jun 29 18:51:53 bme would have files open to detect iknsertion of charger too Jun 29 18:52:15 ShadowJK: /sys/something........musb_hdr/charger Jun 29 18:52:21 that's one Jun 29 18:52:25 and other is /mA Jun 29 18:52:31 and will get upset if it can't open stuff as normal Jun 29 18:53:03 No, reading that one executes the charger detection test, which determines whether connected device is PC or charger Jun 29 18:53:42 yep Jun 29 18:54:12 Also why is it necessary to install nitroid to an SD card whats wrong with partitioning the phone Jun 29 18:54:22 ? Jun 29 18:54:29 before that it's probably looking at /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0048/device/connect (or vbus in that dir) (this path is purely from memory, but should give you pointer) Jun 29 18:54:32 jacekowski: do you think maemo5 bme would work in N8x0? I wonder if it has all of the old code, plus some more, or if it has the same logic, but the parts that access the charge/battery hardware get replaced Jun 29 18:54:44 pcgeek: nothing is wrong with it, why don't you do it. Jun 29 18:54:48 open("/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mA", O_RDONLY) = 17 Jun 29 18:54:50 flailingmonkey: Sounds totally unlikely Jun 29 18:55:06 ShadowJK: it's not Jun 29 18:55:22 I have tried paritioning the phone but then i can't use the camera lols as it needs fatx Jun 29 18:55:35 ShadowJK: it's looking at vbus Jun 29 18:55:37 it needs fatx? Jun 29 18:55:42 fat parition Jun 29 18:55:49 My camera stores correctly on /media/mmc1/DCIM Jun 29 18:55:51 and it's ext3 Jun 29 18:55:55 hmm Jun 29 18:55:56 or vbus :) Jun 29 18:56:12 thats odd becos thats what i tried doing Jun 29 18:56:12 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus Jun 29 18:56:19 o lol Jun 29 18:56:30 pcgeek: its possible, but not trivial Jun 29 18:56:33 I need to edit the path Jun 29 18:56:43 which file do i need to edit Jun 29 18:56:48 ? Jun 29 18:56:50 thanks Jun 29 18:56:53 ptl: and you change scripts every update? Jun 29 18:57:29 I managed to spilt the disk area in half for both applications and other Jun 29 18:57:40 but the camera was being picky Jun 29 18:57:41 jacekowski: basically yet. But that's only two scripts, if I remember it correctly. mmc-mount to fallback to ext3 and some osso-mmc-mount.sh or something like that to add types 82 and 83 to a case statement. Jun 29 18:58:08 switch* Jun 29 18:58:34 oh I was thinking along the lines of /mmc1 Jun 29 18:59:54 I originally partitioned the phone becos of the crap space for apps&packages Jun 29 19:00:09 e-yes: does it work without bq27200 kernel module? Jun 29 19:00:16 pcgeek: its only a permissions problem Jun 29 19:00:21 (with the camera) Jun 29 19:00:24 o lol Jun 29 19:00:44 I used ssh to modify the parition table Jun 29 19:00:45 there is no bq27200 kernel module Jun 29 19:00:55 well, bme is not using it Jun 29 19:01:06 * cehteh has ext4 on MyDocs and mmc1 Jun 29 19:01:20 and if there is kernel module that claims bq27200 it will not allow anything else to communicate with it Jun 29 19:01:37 besides bq27200 is not important Jun 29 19:01:40 it's just fuel gauge Jun 29 19:01:49 e-yes: that is one very old post lol, working through the 100 posts up to the point where the thread gets closed? Jun 29 19:02:19 ShadowJK, no. but bq27200 module loaded before bme fails to start Jun 29 19:02:24 hmm so In the maemo system files, what do I need to edit to allow permission Jun 29 19:02:37 thanks Jun 29 19:02:50 hrm Jun 29 19:03:01 Well we don't know what state bme gets into if it can't access bq27200 :) Jun 29 19:03:16 it just bails out Jun 29 19:03:17 anyone here have a microSD card (they're willing to reformat), an n900, and some time? Jun 29 19:03:31 jacekowski: at start yeah Jun 29 19:04:06 but he's seeing failure after bme is started without bq27200 module, the module loaded after bme start Jun 29 19:04:09 let me take a look Jun 29 19:04:10 Well once I solved this camera problem with paritioning the N900, I am going to write a guide for it Jun 29 19:04:26 ShadowJK: there is no bq27200 module Jun 29 19:04:32 Or is there one I don't know of? Jun 29 19:04:33 ShadowJK: bme is directly talking to i2c bus Jun 29 19:04:36 thanks Jun 29 19:05:18 jacekowski: there is such a module, bme does not use it, and default maemo kernel config has the kernel module disabled. His kernel has it, though Jun 29 19:05:48 bq27x00_battery.ko, yes enabled to get battery status Jun 29 19:06:00 e-yes: then that module claims i2c device Jun 29 19:06:16 e-yes: and in if any in kernel module claims i2c device it's exclusive Jun 29 19:06:22 What I usually do is install ssh on both the N900 and Ubuntu or fedora and ssh into the N900 then unmount and redo the partition table and repartition the N900 but I get some cfg errors Jun 29 19:06:49 Any workarounds floating around? Jun 29 19:07:25 e-yes: here some scripts to talk to charger and fuel gauge without kernel modules: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ Jun 29 19:07:38 not sure that i2c_new_device makes exclusive access. but it's possible Jun 29 19:07:39 * ShadowJK is charging n900 right now without bme :-) Jun 29 19:07:47 What script gets called when this command gets called Jun 29 19:07:50 initctl emit --no-wait G_FILE_STORAGE_READY Jun 29 19:08:03 So nokia is supporting the meego OS for the n900 now? Jun 29 19:08:10 dotblank: i think it's talking directly to init Jun 29 19:08:33 ShadowJK, very interesting. thanks Jun 29 19:08:45 Anyone know how to get skype video calling working properly? Jun 29 19:08:47 jacekowski, I was looking at the osso-usb-mass-storage-enable script and found that.. Jun 29 19:09:01 also I found some mounting issue Jun 29 19:09:02 pcgeek: how is it not working properly? Jun 29 19:09:02 pcgeek: what do you mean by supporting, and what do you mean by now? Jun 29 19:09:10 e-yes: don't touch it unless you know how these work Jun 29 19:09:16 e-yes: or your battery will explode Jun 29 19:09:23 jacekowski, i'm trying to found out where it actually maps the storage to the LUNs Jun 29 19:09:38 dotblank: that's done in kernel Jun 29 19:09:46 iirrc N900 was announced as the reference handheld ux platform for meego quite early, and also that Nokia probably will do no commercial meego on n900 Jun 29 19:10:08 dotblank: and then udev get's info from kernel and udev is creating device nodes in /dev Jun 29 19:10:09 Well when I call someones skype contact or look at someones contact who is online there is no skype video call :( and I can not initiate a video call whilst calling through skype Jun 29 19:10:14 jacekowski, well its not hard-coded into the kernel is it? I know it uses the g_file_storage module to do it Jun 29 19:10:23 Its weird Jun 29 19:10:26 pcgeek: are they running windows? Jun 29 19:10:30 dotblank: oh, you mean that stuff Jun 29 19:10:53 dotblank: i think it's module param when you load it Jun 29 19:10:53 jacekowski, yes I would liek to mount my own images and I actually got it to work Jun 29 19:10:55 Yes&no I have tried this via my PC running both Windows xp&vista and ubuntu Jun 29 19:11:07 by unlaoding the g_file_module and recreating a new one Jun 29 19:11:09 Still no video calling Jun 29 19:11:09 * e-yes going to create "external" battery for experiments before:) Jun 29 19:11:27 e-yes: good luck blowing up your phone Jun 29 19:11:31 jacekowski, well you can specify how many luns are avaiable and you echo the device into /sys Jun 29 19:11:34 somewhere Jun 29 19:11:43 My front camera does work I have tested through a testing app Jun 29 19:11:43 dotblank: /sys/module/ Jun 29 19:11:45 jacekowski, thanks:) Jun 29 19:11:46 pcgeek: what version of skype on windows? Jun 29 19:11:50 latest Jun 29 19:11:55 e-yes: as long as you don't change the voltage param from the 4.2 in that script you should be ok Jun 29 19:12:01 /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun0/file Jun 29 19:12:01 dotblank: or /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget Jun 29 19:12:03 i don't think the linux desktop client supports the right protocol Jun 29 19:12:42 Anyway I can hook in a script to support it Jun 29 19:12:43 see I think that initctl command is called and then maps those LUNs to devices Jun 29 19:12:43 ? Jun 29 19:12:58 So it does it in ram Jun 29 19:13:05 you can try wine Jun 29 19:13:05 because nowhere in the usb-mass-storage enable script does it referance and device Jun 29 19:13:14 I mean on the N900 Jun 29 19:13:20 dotblank: just check module source code Jun 29 19:13:34 pcgeek: i've heard it's usually successful where the other person starts the video call Jun 29 19:13:48 I'll try enforce bme to workable state before "hardcore" Jun 29 19:13:50 lol thats absurd Jun 29 19:13:54 jacekowski, my ultimate goal is to boot an operating system from g_file_module Jun 29 19:13:59 So there is a bug Jun 29 19:14:02 on the N900 Jun 29 19:14:19 maybe, I've never tried it myself Jun 29 19:14:19 g_file-storage* Jun 29 19:14:33 oh hey wait wtf, 0x6000? That's not i2c/smbus... Jun 29 19:14:40 .. oh, adc.. hm Jun 29 19:15:06 yeah if it can't read BSI, atleast maemo4 bme refuses to charge Jun 29 19:15:17 So back to my issue before, what do I need to edit to give permission to the camera and Mydocs/mmc1 to use ext3, thanks :) Jun 29 19:15:54 e-yes: is this orig nokia battery installed in n900? Jun 29 19:15:57 ShadowJK: it is Jun 29 19:16:08 ShadowJK: it is smbus request Jun 29 19:16:17 yes Jun 29 19:16:19 isn't that 0x720 Jun 29 19:17:01 and: RST38h, open("/dev/twl4030-adc", O_RDONLY) = 3 // before. and seems it works in maemo Jun 29 19:17:14 ioctl(4, 0x720, 0xbef3f974) = 0 Jun 29 19:17:23 that's fine Jun 29 19:18:50 well, yeah you're right Jun 29 19:19:04 0x6000 is to get data out of twl4030-adc Jun 29 19:19:46 i2c/twl4030-madc.h:#define TWL4030_MADC_IOC_MAGIC '`' Jun 29 19:19:54 and ` == 0x60 Jun 29 19:20:14 #define TWL4030_MADC_IOCX_ADC_RAW_READ<><------>_IO(TWL4030_MADC_IOC_MAGIC, 0) Jun 29 19:21:04 it would be nice to know what's that Jun 29 19:21:04 2 - ECI_AD Jun 29 19:21:13 ECI_AD connected to ADCIN2 on gaia Jun 29 19:21:17 anyone? Jun 29 19:21:25 <_0x471> ls -lah Jun 29 19:21:34 what's adcin2 connected to? Jun 29 19:21:34 <_0x471> damn it Jun 29 19:21:52 pcgeek: i think the wiki might actually have something about repartitioning, and it might cover camera Jun 29 19:22:04 Ive been on the wiki Jun 29 19:22:04 drwxr-xr-x 29 timeless users 4.0K 2010-06-09 03:55 ./ Jun 29 19:22:10 drwxr-xr-x 68 root root 4.0K 2010-05-31 13:28 ../ Jun 29 19:22:12 :) Jun 29 19:22:56 ShadowJK: it's named ECI_AD, and it's connected to IN+ on something that looks like opamp Jun 29 19:23:11 ShadowJK: and Jun 29 19:23:20 oh it goes to BSI probably Jun 29 19:23:21 ShadowJK: one input on analogue switch Jun 29 19:23:32 nah, bsi is connected to ADCIN4 Jun 29 19:23:46 hm Jun 29 19:23:51 and ECI_AD is connected to "Microphone Interface" as well Jun 29 19:23:54 Has anyone here re flashed the N900 to the previous firmware as if skype video calling is not bug free, I dont really need this update Jun 29 19:23:57 to Mic2p Jun 29 19:24:20 jacekowski: headset button? Jun 29 19:24:23 but that's strange Jun 29 19:24:27 as BME is reading that Jun 29 19:24:40 oh Jun 29 19:24:47 why would bme be interested in something like that Jun 29 19:25:07 Coincidentally pulseaudio talks to bme Jun 29 19:25:37 WTF??? Jun 29 19:25:52 are you sure? Jun 29 19:25:58 who me Jun 29 19:26:09 do we pulseaudio source code Jun 29 19:26:14 i mean nokia version of it Jun 29 19:26:36 Check /proc/$(pidof pulseaudio)/maps for bme.. Jun 29 19:27:36 libbmeipc Jun 29 19:27:55 mhm Jun 29 19:28:17 Maybe bme reads state of headphone socket and passes it on to bme / rest of os Jun 29 19:28:28 on to pulseaudio* Jun 29 19:28:56 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ldd /usr/bin/pulseaudio | grep bme | wc -l Jun 29 19:28:57 0 Jun 29 19:28:59 it's not bme Jun 29 19:29:01 ehh Jun 29 19:29:04 it's not pulseaudio Jun 29 19:29:13 it's something else that PA depends on Jun 29 19:29:22 but PA itself is not talking to bme Jun 29 19:29:28 not directly at lease Jun 29 19:29:38 Maybe it dlopens it Jun 29 19:29:47 very unlikely Jun 29 19:29:56 since pa has plugin design anyway Jun 29 19:30:03 extremely unlikely. Jun 29 19:30:49 Well I'd ldd the Nokia pa plugins then? :) Jun 29 19:31:18 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > objdump -T /usr/bin/pulseaudio | grep dlopen Jun 29 19:31:18 0000d8c8 DF *UND* 00000074 GLIBC_2.4 dlopen Jun 29 19:31:23 hmmmm Jun 29 19:31:26 I have lost the wiki for paritioning the n900 anyone have the link Jun 29 19:31:28 thanks Jun 29 19:31:36 but that's probably for plugins Jun 29 19:32:04 Yes, that is for plugins :P Jun 29 19:33:43 Nokia-N900-02-8:/proc/778# for i in `cat maps | cut -c50- | sort| uniq`;do ldd $i| grep bme >/dev/null; AA=$?; if [ $AA -eq 0 ]; then echo $i;fi;done 2>/dev/null Jun 29 19:33:46 /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/libnokia-common.so Jun 29 19:33:49 /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-music.so Jun 29 19:33:51 /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-record.so Jun 29 19:33:54 /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-voice.so Jun 29 19:33:54 grep bmeipc /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/* Jun 29 19:34:46 but why? Jun 29 19:35:27 dpkg -keyShowMeWhoDependsOn libbmeipc0 ? Jun 29 19:35:40 Maybe only one process can use twl4030 adc and bme was chosen to pass on headphone socket status Jun 29 19:35:52 no Jun 29 19:35:54 and do the headphone/headset/tv detection Jun 29 19:35:57 jacekowski: could it be because they all depend on libnokia-common? Jun 29 19:36:12 headset detection here - /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/headphone/* Jun 29 19:36:25 alterego: then only libnokia-common would depend on libbmeipc Jun 29 19:36:36 would link with * Jun 29 19:36:48 e-yes: well it can distinguish between headphone and headset too Jun 29 19:37:15 besides, it's from microphone Jun 29 19:37:15 bme, the beast that never ends Jun 29 19:37:18 not from headset Jun 29 19:37:22 Heh Jun 29 19:37:39 flailingmonkey: no, "never" starts with "n", not "m" Jun 29 19:37:43 bme (bastard management entitiy) Jun 29 19:38:12 Well presence of a microphone on the fourth pin would make it a headset rather than headphone :P Jun 29 19:38:32 headmicrophone Jun 29 19:38:36 it's all done in kernel, in nokia-av Jun 29 19:39:00 hm Jun 29 19:41:35 I'm quite liking GLSL Jun 29 19:41:54 In some ways, though it's a bit of a head fuck, having to manually program everything yourself. Jun 29 19:43:29 Hello guys, I need help - I implement a dbus service in my app, to allow opening it via dbus, the dbus works great, but if the app is already hidden, and I click the icon, the app is not shown. Jun 29 19:44:23 You need to look into 'top_application' in osso I believe. Jun 29 19:44:58 hmmm Jun 29 19:45:22 BCMM: it isn't an m, it's an n that just never stopped Jun 29 19:46:59 thanks alterego Jun 29 19:47:01 you helped me lots! Jun 29 19:49:31 eitama_: no problem :) Jun 29 19:50:09 WOW Jun 29 19:50:10 it worked Jun 29 19:50:22 kinda stupid, the method's name HAS to be top_application() Jun 29 20:13:52 flux: i ran fsck.vfat, but in the end, it said "Leaving filesystems unchanged", what did i do wrong? Jun 29 20:22:00 jacekowski, ShadowJK, guyz, it looks like you have rx51 schematic that I can trust. what is file name? Jun 29 20:23:53 e-yes: see the wiki Jun 29 20:24:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic Jun 29 20:26:03 SpeedEvil, thanks Jun 29 20:26:11 np Jun 29 20:26:28 see also [[Category:N900 Hardware]] Jun 29 20:27:26 i saw other files over internet, like RX51_Schematics_v2_0 etc. that's why I asking;) Jun 29 20:39:52 The above schematic has not been found to be inaccurate. Jun 29 20:46:28 e-yes: jacekowski.org/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf Jun 29 20:51:40 evenin Jun 29 20:55:48 Hello Jun 29 20:56:06 Is there anyway to get the alarm to continuously play until I press stop? Jun 29 20:56:16 Currently it plays twice and then "auto-snoozes" Jun 29 20:56:50 pyther24: write your own alarm? ;) Jun 29 20:57:06 asj__, is that the only way? Jun 29 20:59:04 pyther24: no, you can ask asj__ to write an alarm for you too. :-P Jun 29 20:59:54 Is the alarm source publicly available? And if so where? Jun 29 21:04:11 ShadowJK: (Maybe only one process can use twl4030 adc and bme was chosen to pass on headphone socket status) brilliant :-) probably you hit the spot Jun 29 21:07:08 pyther24, did you check the clock apps? flipclock anbd whatnot? Jun 29 21:07:38 mece, do those both do alarms? Jun 29 21:09:33 Maybe if I use a song as an alarmtone I can get the desired effect for the alarm to last longer Jun 29 21:11:58 * D-Iivil is sleepless in the middle of nowhere Jun 29 21:13:04 docscrutinizer: maybe the secret nokia-av protocol is why bme can't be "opened" ;-) Jun 29 21:15:37 ShadowJK: secret nokia av protocol? please elaborate, you lost me Jun 29 21:16:47 headset/headphone/playback_buttons/headset_button/tvout Jun 29 21:18:31 ShadowJK: there's not much secret in there Jun 29 21:19:01 Well Nokia considers it secret I think :P Jun 29 21:19:10 parts of it atleast Jun 29 21:19:21 citation needed Jun 29 21:19:40 like the play/pause/stop/next/previous buttons (that don't work on n900 anyway) Jun 29 21:19:55 though mic detection has spec on forum.nokia iirc Jun 29 21:20:52 http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf Jun 29 21:21:51 Hey guys. I'm trying to call fastSMS from a Qt application and something is not working for me, I am getting the following error : "The name it.rsc.fastsms was not provided by any .service files" Jun 29 21:22:42 Fast sms does register a dbus service : http://pastebin.com/Que6wubn Jun 29 21:24:21 DocScrutinizer: that's only audio, nothing about the controls Jun 29 21:26:05 There seems to be two different signaling methods for the buttons too Jun 29 21:26:27 threw fheroes2 into testing. I'll let it stew there while I'm on vacation. Let it gather some opinions ;) Jun 29 21:26:33 One (presumably simpler?) for headsets with just one single answer button Jun 29 21:26:51 ShadowJK: sems the extended controls in wired AV aren't supported on N900 anyway - at least in product specs and kernel/whatever Jun 29 21:27:02 and a more complex system for headsets that have multiple buttons Jun 29 21:27:12 Has anyone figured out how to listen to iheartradio an maemo? Jun 29 21:27:32 I think someone managed to get single-button ones working Jun 29 21:29:35 eitama_: I'm not a good dbus person, but I think you're missing something, it's not qt, it's dbus related. Just look up dbus service writting Jun 29 21:30:27 pyther24, I cant test since it's US only, but what happens if you go to www.iheartradio.com/mediaplayer/ ? Jun 29 21:30:40 asj, I am also sure I am missing something. But I don't know what ( Jun 29 21:30:46 and I have read a lot of docs Jun 29 21:31:10 mece, well I have to go to a direct stream and it takes like 5 minutes to load Jun 29 21:33:04 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 29 21:35:01 yeah I'm out. tataa- Jun 29 21:35:05 Can some please explain to me why I cannot downgraded my gsm firmware? thanks Jun 29 21:35:13 Im so p!!! Jun 29 21:35:41 Finally got my Internet back. Damn ISP.... Jun 29 21:35:44 As I can't be on the previous firmware with my network provider :( Jun 29 21:35:48 Hello guys and girls Jun 29 21:36:36 I downgraded the phones firmware but my gsm is on the one apparently installed by pr1.2 Jun 29 21:36:51 why? have this been done? Jun 29 21:37:28 Is there anyway to downgrade the gsm firmware? Jun 29 21:37:43 The new firmware doesn't work? Jun 29 21:38:04 Is there a bugreport? Jun 29 21:38:36 And I think I saw once on talk.maemo.org a thread where people had figured out how to downgrade it.. Jun 29 21:38:51 hmm Im researching it now Jun 29 21:39:06 I don't agree with this at all Jun 29 21:42:36 Check that Network Mode in Settings->Phone is "Dual"... Jun 29 21:43:05 wont make any difference Jun 29 21:43:28 its now in a mix state Jun 29 21:43:47 brb Jun 29 21:45:48 Hi, short question: I want to flash my N900 with the FIASCO and the eMMC image. the tablet-dev.nokia.com site states: Jun 29 21:45:51 NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! Jun 29 21:46:27 however, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Linux states about the FIASCO image: "It should start flashing and then reboot." Jun 29 21:46:31 so how do i do it? Jun 29 21:46:55 I think if you give -r option to flasher the device is rebooted Jun 29 21:46:58 exclude the -r argument while flashing Jun 29 21:47:04 and if you leave it out it isn't Jun 29 21:47:07 ah ok Jun 29 21:47:09 nvm xD Jun 29 21:47:10 thanks Jun 29 21:47:50 w00t!!, my N900 successfully compiled qemu i386-softmmu without crashing Jun 29 21:48:08 steinex: where does it state you should flash rootfs first?? Jun 29 21:48:30 DocScrutinizer: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php states this Jun 29 21:48:44 DocScrutinizer: i wanted to ask the same because the wiki states to flash the eMMC first... Jun 29 21:48:52 i should just flash eMMC first, right? Jun 29 21:48:52 LOL - they are wrong Jun 29 21:49:03 steinex: yes Jun 29 21:49:12 ok, thank you Jun 29 21:49:55 steinex: actually if you don't reboot in between the two flash procedures, it's irrelevant Jun 29 21:51:01 if however you accidentally boot the device between the two, then it's better to have /-fs flashed *after* eMMC image Jun 29 21:51:56 steinex: also note please you don't need to flash eMMC for a mere PR1.2 upgrade Jun 29 21:52:16 DocScrutinizer: erm uhm Jun 29 21:52:22 DocScrutinizer: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Jun 29 21:52:31 "Flashing the eMMC in the N900" Jun 29 21:52:54 there is the same text: "When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end!" Jun 29 21:53:01 I'm confused. Jun 29 21:53:33 key thing: don't reboot in between Jun 29 21:53:44 ok, so i will now flash rootfs first Jun 29 21:53:45 steinex: oops, I missed to fix this one obviously Jun 29 21:53:52 brb Jun 29 21:54:02 steinex: thanks for pointing at it Jun 29 21:54:10 DocScrutinizer: ah, so it's definitely wrong and i need to flash eMMC first (really)? Jun 29 21:54:19 yes Jun 29 21:54:22 i trust you. :p Jun 29 21:54:31 can i brick something seriously? Jun 29 21:54:46 Not seeriously Jun 29 21:54:47 steinex: though see ShadowJK ^^^ Jun 29 21:55:24 well, if you somehow wipe out the x-loader like i did with my N800... xD Jun 29 21:56:00 DocScrutinizer: flashing eMMC is not well explained though... Jun 29 21:56:30 should i run the flasher-3.5 with usb cable plugged in and then just power up the phone? Jun 29 21:56:37 yes Jun 29 21:56:46 or do i need to press "u" like it is explained in flashing rootfs? Jun 29 21:57:04 start flasher before plugging in phone Jun 29 21:57:05 you should do both Jun 29 21:58:35 Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA Jun 29 21:58:36 FIASCO subimage data length mismatch Jun 29 21:58:40 mhh... Jun 29 21:58:52 Corrupt download Jun 29 21:59:00 this was the eMMC actually Jun 29 21:59:21 Which is also a FIASCO image Jun 29 21:59:32 steinex: some noob reverted my edits on wiki :-( Jun 29 22:00:06 lol Jun 29 22:00:16 wiki vandalism :) Jun 29 22:00:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&diff=36095&oldid=35655 Jun 29 22:02:08 hmm Jun 29 22:02:36 god be fucking damned, I got fined on my push bike :( Jun 29 22:02:47 crashanddie, how? Jun 29 22:02:55 by the cops Jun 29 22:03:03 because I was driving in a bus lane Jun 29 22:03:38 crashanddie: good thing you don't live in Davis California lol Jun 29 22:03:42 I was wearing a helmet, a hi-viz vest, and hi-viz bracelets on my legs Jun 29 22:03:52 90 euros ($120) Jun 29 22:04:06 what the fuck, seriously Jun 29 22:04:54 how can laws be so bloody degenerate? There's no busses after 9PM, it's 11PM, and I'm not allowed to ride in a bus lane? Jun 29 22:04:58 Obviously your bike isn't registered as a bus :D Jun 29 22:05:05 xD Jun 29 22:05:21 crashanddie, are you able to fit it in court? Jun 29 22:05:36 no Jun 29 22:05:50 well, i could, but I'm not going to bother Jun 29 22:06:05 the law says I'm wrong, and the police officer was there, so I'll get the fine anyhoo Jun 29 22:06:17 It is a stupid law Jun 29 22:06:17 it's not like in the US, where the officer needs to be there if I uphold it Jun 29 22:06:33 and you can't change laws in courts Jun 29 22:06:40 hmmm Jun 29 22:06:46 yah that sucks Jun 29 22:06:46 i now have the usb icon on my n900 Jun 29 22:06:57 but the flasher still says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Jun 29 22:07:05 what sucks more is the alarm clock! Jun 29 22:07:15 steinex: you may need to re-connect Jun 29 22:07:20 crashanddie: i'm going to court for drinking in a car Jun 29 22:07:28 crashanddie: because i refused to take fixed penalty Jun 29 22:07:45 crashanddie: I got fined $16 because I was like 2 minutes late to my parking meter :/ Jun 29 22:07:53 which is $1/hr Jun 29 22:07:59 heh Jun 29 22:08:01 battery too low, or a driver on your PC grabbing N900 before flasher can cause it Jun 29 22:08:04 I saw another one that made me smiule Jun 29 22:08:07 smile** Jun 29 22:08:08 jacekowski, I hope you weren't drinking alcohol Jun 29 22:08:16 pyther24: just pepsi Jun 29 22:08:18 in Montpellier, specific areas are 22euros a day for parking Jun 29 22:08:21 pyther24: from a bottle Jun 29 22:08:32 that sucks, in the USA or europe? Jun 29 22:08:32 if you leave it there all day, and don't pay, you get a single 11euro fine Jun 29 22:08:36 eu Jun 29 22:08:38 I laughed onve when someone got fined for walking when the light was red Jun 29 22:08:52 rofl Jun 29 22:09:01 well, jaywalking can be dangerous Jun 29 22:09:03 i was like WTF when he stopped me Jun 29 22:09:12 but seriously, how the fuck do they justify this shit? Jun 29 22:09:20 crashanddie: well, i was crossing on red light very often in front of police car Jun 29 22:09:27 i mean on pedestrian crossing Jun 29 22:09:35 after their light turned to green Jun 29 22:09:42 jacekowski: i guess he got bored that day :) Jun 29 22:09:51 strange Jun 29 22:09:55 The city planning office needs to take bus timetables into account and update the signs to allow bikes after busses stop running :) Jun 29 22:09:56 it doesnt start to flash Jun 29 22:10:07 Finaly I've done what I've wanted to do long time ago: http://habreffect.ru/files/f59/129a92edd/opera_n900.jpg Jun 29 22:10:12 I got done for dangerous driving (and I was driving like an idiot) in a mountain pass, taking over people with really not enough space to do so, and managed to talk the cop into giving me the minimum fine, 27 euros Jun 29 22:10:18 this is quite a few years ago Jun 29 22:10:20 b-man: well, thing is that it's not illegal as such Jun 29 22:10:30 I can't believe I'm going to pay nearly 4 times as much for CYCLING Jun 29 22:10:39 b-man: so i might be able to win in court Jun 29 22:10:58 :) Jun 29 22:11:57 it's illegal to do anything dangerous Jun 29 22:12:10 but it's hard to say if drinking from a bottle is dangerous Jun 29 22:12:28 did it have a straw? Jun 29 22:12:31 no Jun 29 22:12:46 i had to open it Jun 29 22:13:03 * luke-jr happily writes Perl on his N810 whilest driving... Jun 29 22:13:18 luke-jr, :-/ Jun 29 22:13:18 wazd, add a few more bookmarks Jun 29 22:13:18 so shit happens Jun 29 22:13:20 * Mousey wishes he could buy a new n810 Jun 29 22:13:20 thats unused Jun 29 22:13:24 now that is dangerous Jun 29 22:13:28 haha mousey Jun 29 22:13:31 =( Jun 29 22:13:40 my company doesn't have money to pay this month wages Jun 29 22:13:50 and might go into administration soon Jun 29 22:13:51 pyther24: j/k :) Jun 29 22:14:01 pyther24: I just run kismet :D Jun 29 22:14:01 luke-jr: and i thought texting was dangerous xD Jun 29 22:14:04 pupnik has one - pristine! http://liqbase.net/liq.fosdem.pupnik.n810.20100207_007.jpg Jun 29 22:14:06 so i'm looking for a new job Jun 29 22:14:28 Mousey, ^ Jun 29 22:14:32 hey b-man \o Jun 29 22:14:36 are you still da-man? Jun 29 22:14:40 * Mousey clicks Jun 29 22:14:48 no! it's porn! Jun 29 22:14:49 How can I tell Maemo 5 (n900) that my app is a portrait mode app? I've read something regarding FremantleAutoRotation module, but that's with rotation. Jun 29 22:14:51 I'm just looking for a new projects. Jun 29 22:14:52 man Jun 29 22:14:52 LOL Jun 29 22:14:54 hm Jun 29 22:14:54 type much? Jun 29 22:15:02 microb kind of sucks Jun 29 22:15:03 lcuk: ya Jun 29 22:15:05 luke-jr, the said thing is that on my daily commute of 1 1/2hrs I see at least two people text and driving and I'm not even looking for it Jun 29 22:15:12 s/said/sad Jun 29 22:15:22 wazd, install opera and make better screenshot including some extra links :) Jun 29 22:15:28 pyther24: someone needs to port that Android speech recog IRC to Maemo ;) Jun 29 22:15:46 it looks empty compared to the others Jun 29 22:15:53 pupnik was doing some serious typing on his N810's kb 0_o Jun 29 22:16:07 luke-jr, that would be really cool Jun 29 22:17:24 hmm Jun 29 22:17:34 b-man: or spilt on it... <.< Jun 29 22:17:36 i did both flashes without -R Jun 29 22:17:40 how can i reboot now? Jun 29 22:17:44 spilt what, that's just wear and tear Jun 29 22:17:55 or should i reflash with -R? Jun 29 22:17:58 I should write a script that could auto disconnect my IM accounts Jun 29 22:18:08 since the wireless network at work blocks all ports but 80 and 443 Jun 29 22:18:34 pyther24: bypass it Jun 29 22:18:57 * b-man is too obsessed in keeping is N900 in top shape >_< Jun 29 22:18:58 luke-jr, well I could do that but then I'd have to change the connections to connect via localhost Jun 29 22:19:17 and then change them back when I get home :-/ Jun 29 22:19:28 pyther24: nah Jun 29 22:19:35 just run OpenVPN on port 443 or such Jun 29 22:19:40 or use a tap tunnel Jun 29 22:19:57 luke-jr, could I do said activity for select ports? Jun 29 22:20:04 Say keep 80 and 443 using the default network? Jun 29 22:20:16 theoreticalyl, but why? :P Jun 29 22:20:30 you'd need to use iptables to match those ports, and set a marker Jun 29 22:20:36 then route different based on marker Jun 29 22:20:37 why tunnel http traffic when local traffic is so much faster Jun 29 22:21:59 * wazd is drooling over bug-free Marina Jun 29 22:22:15 ~ping MohammadAG51 Jun 29 22:22:16 pong MohammadAG51 Jun 29 22:22:22 ~ping b-man Jun 29 22:22:23 pong b-man Jun 29 22:22:47 copyright sucks Jun 29 22:22:53 * MohammadAG51 pings DocScrutinizer Jun 29 22:22:56 we need to start killing lawyers Jun 29 22:23:02 lol Jun 29 22:23:14 there's too many in the U.S. Jun 29 22:23:18 puphome: but we can't abolish copyright w/o lawyers! Jun 29 22:23:33 Yo Jun 29 22:23:47 i'd like to prove you wrong luke-jr Jun 29 22:23:54 not gonna happen though, sorry Jun 29 22:23:58 puphome: I'd like you to, as well Jun 29 22:24:05 Cabletwitch: Hello Maemo user Jun 29 22:24:33 Yep, that'd be me. Jun 29 22:24:52 gah, too much assembler messages from gcc xP Jun 29 22:24:59 *many Jun 29 22:25:14 love it when qemu segfaults Jun 29 22:25:16 Well, more maemo breaker, but I guess I have to use it to break it. Jun 29 22:25:52 MohammadAG51: that's what i'm compiling right now xD Jun 29 22:25:59 on my N900 xD Jun 29 22:26:10 qemu compilation ON the N900? Jun 29 22:26:15 yup Jun 29 22:26:34 * luke-jr is semi-scared to install Gentoo on N900 Jun 29 22:26:35 That sounds suspiciously like masochism. Jun 29 22:27:01 on my N810, it's on a MicroSD that I can just replace... Jun 29 22:27:04 luke-jr: i've ran it :) Jun 29 22:27:12 but I'm scared to put Gentoo on any kind of internal flash drive Jun 29 22:27:28 heh Jun 29 22:27:36 * luke-jr wonders if a spare 2 GB MicroSD mounted as /var/tmp and swap would make it work Jun 29 22:27:50 is it possible to get the virtual keyboard in the web browser? Jun 29 22:28:31 >>> Emerging (6 of 1089) sys-devel/m4-1.4.12 Jun 29 22:40:00 is nokia messagine pure push email? Jun 29 22:40:02 is it nice? Jun 29 22:40:07 messaging* Jun 29 22:40:29 i think to use it instead several imap-accounts for not-so-draining my battery Jun 29 22:40:39 I should probably do some work Jun 29 22:40:52 steinex: it used to work for me Jun 29 22:57:05 'Afternoon Jun 29 22:57:14 ' Jun 29 22:57:29 SpeedEvil, the '\'' is for "Good" :P Jun 29 22:57:47 When MeeGo comes out tomorrow for handsets, does that mean N900 support? Jun 29 22:58:23 no official n900 support afaik Jun 29 22:58:32 jef91, potentially, I would think, in the sense that the community would have something to run on said phone. It doesn't mean any more or less than we previously heard, though. Jun 29 22:58:35 jef91: of course it does. And remember when quoting me to say "some random guy on irc said so" Jun 29 22:58:35 I didn't say anything about official Jun 29 22:58:46 asj, win. :) Jun 29 22:59:07 Okie dokie. Think we will be able to dual boot it with Maemo? Jun 29 22:59:11 jef91, I'm not sure of the status of the port. But yeah, having the UI/UX layer kind of helps. Jun 29 22:59:24 jef91, I think there's a thread on that. Jun 29 22:59:52 Cool, I'll have to go poke around tmo Jun 29 23:00:55 jef91, I'll have to check as well. All of our handsets are allocated right now, so I won't be able to borrow a spare to try it out :P Jun 29 23:01:12 If you find anything useful on that, please throw a link my way. Jun 29 23:01:35 I'm assuming they will release for n900 tomorrow Jun 29 23:01:43 what else would they release? The nexus one or the iphone? Jun 29 23:01:54 jef91, definitely the iPhone. ;) Jun 29 23:02:08 Because Steve is totally cool with running third-party OSes on it. Jun 29 23:02:09 Heh Jun 29 23:02:14 * MohammadAG51 wraps sarcasm tags Jun 29 23:02:14 lol Jun 29 23:02:18 LOL Jun 29 23:02:28 steve is a stand-up bloke Jun 29 23:02:32 I watching the fryo port closely to n900 Jun 29 23:02:42 Hoping to try boot t3h sexy n900 some day ;) Jun 29 23:02:45 * raster loves steviepoos and everything he touches Jun 29 23:02:45 steve like reinventing stuff Jun 29 23:02:48 raster, he stands up all the time... it's what he says while standing up that's the problem. Jun 29 23:02:50 jef91: they would release it for desktop x86 Jun 29 23:03:10 jaem: :) Jun 29 23:03:31 (yeah.... i dont open my tags. i just close them. you get to guess where they opened :)) Jun 29 23:03:44 steinex: imap poll probably isn't the battery killer Jun 29 23:03:46 raster: right after the last one closes? Jun 29 23:03:47 raster, that's pretty standard... Jun 29 23:03:55 asj, *badum-pssh* Jun 29 23:04:02 DocScrutinizer, znc down :) Jun 29 23:04:11 jaem: the ' is for both good, and evening. Jun 29 23:04:12 raster: :-D o/ Jun 29 23:04:16 jaem: /me is lazy. Jun 29 23:04:23 MohammadAG51: oops Jun 29 23:04:43 Caught oops, dying Jun 29 23:05:22 jaem: :) don't worry - we're on the same page :) i just saw some opportunity for fun :) Jun 29 23:05:27 DocScrutinizer: pants! Jun 29 23:05:31 asj: hehehe Jun 29 23:05:32 * SpeedEvil wants meego image tomorrow, that can run android apps, with a nice opensource everything (including wifi firmware). Jun 29 23:05:43 pffff Jun 29 23:05:43 MohammadAG51: box down :-( Jun 29 23:05:49 keep dreaming speedevil Jun 29 23:05:59 Handwriting recognition, voice recognition. Jun 29 23:06:20 * raster keeps lurking and monitoring all the meego stuffsors from afar Jun 29 23:06:23 I would settle for full n900 support Jun 29 23:06:29 Me too. Jun 29 23:06:31 See above. Jun 29 23:06:47 Not "offcial support" Jun 29 23:06:50 I would settle for a $200k cheque from Nokia Jun 29 23:06:53 Just full support Jun 29 23:07:01 It's not full support unless it can do semaphore. Jun 29 23:07:04 crashanddie: why only $200k? Jun 29 23:07:04 chances are that inside nokia they have been busy working on meego on a next-gen product after the n900 Jun 29 23:07:10 DocScrutinizer, tsk tsk tsk :p Jun 29 23:07:14 and are loathe to spend the time and effort to back-port to n900 Jun 29 23:07:15 asj: why only "full support"? Jun 29 23:07:15 * SpeedEvil ponders semaphore recognition on the front camera. Jun 29 23:07:47 and thus no official meego - but they likely will toss it over the wall and go "hey - here. make your own n900 port" Jun 29 23:07:48 :) Jun 29 23:08:06 Stskeeps: you need to shoot geneven once and for all Jun 29 23:08:10 I wouldn't be astonished that the n900 is the targeted platform. Jun 29 23:08:15 Stskeeps: I'm sick and tired of his threads popping up all the time Jun 29 23:08:17 If it has the maemo kernel compents all the hardware will work Jun 29 23:08:18 n900 is a reference platform for meego... Jun 29 23:08:22 MohammadAG51: ping Jun 29 23:08:28 MohammadAG51: pm Jun 29 23:08:34 ljp: please leave your cave every once in a while Jun 29 23:10:03 is everyone just shutting up because they're hoping to see a trollfight? Jun 29 23:10:33 SpeedEvil: i'd actually be surprised if it is :) Jun 29 23:11:27 * ljp wonders what part of "reference platform" do people not understand Jun 29 23:11:30 but hey... it's nokia. they may work differently - but in my experience r&d inc ompaneis is already using a next gen prototype when the current one is out the door as a product Jun 29 23:11:41 and thus all their software work is on that - not the previous bit of hw Jun 29 23:11:45 (generally speaking) Jun 29 23:13:00 are there plans for an n910 like there was an n810? Jun 29 23:13:05 nope. we dont work on prototypes Jun 29 23:13:26 ljp: how interesting Jun 29 23:13:43 jef91, Anybody's guess at this point. Jun 29 23:13:47 * raster re-arranges his collection of prototypes Jun 29 23:13:49 It would be nice, but don't hold your breath. Jun 29 23:14:05 Personally I really like Maemo Jun 29 23:14:12 but maybe it is just that rpm based distros worry me Jun 29 23:14:41 jef91, meh... from the point of view of someone who occasionally has to package stuff, I dislike debian and rpm packages. :P Jun 29 23:14:55 what do you prefer jaem? Jun 29 23:14:57 debian packages ftw Jun 29 23:15:12 If I can get a mostly- or entirely FOSS phone that actually is awesome, heck with the packaging format. Jun 29 23:15:37 jef91, I use Arch, which is pretty darn simple to use. Sure it's not as powerful, but it doesn't get in my way. Jun 29 23:16:05 jaem: you can't Jun 29 23:16:18 That's strictly an opinion from a user/occasional-packager perspective; I don't have any deep knowledge of the technical aspects of any of the systems. Jun 29 23:16:25 luke-jr, pretend I didn't say that. Jun 29 23:16:29 /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/suspend - what's in there? Jun 29 23:16:34 though I did come across someone who is working on a free GSM client implemetnation Jun 29 23:16:41 luke-jr, yes, you did. Jun 29 23:16:48 At least, I think you were here when someone mentioned it. Jun 29 23:16:55 nah, it was in #FSF :) Jun 29 23:16:56 I have been meaning to try Arch jaem, but it doesn't like my wired network card on my laptop for some reason last I tried (few months back) Jun 29 23:17:06 I only saw OpenBTS (GSM *service*) mentioned here Jun 29 23:17:22 I just meant that the N900 is (IMO) better than its competitors in the major points that I care about, so I consider packaging trivial in that context. Jun 29 23:17:59 would be awesome if a major government realized that CompanyX making both hardware and the software included on it was a monopolistic practice Jun 29 23:18:06 jef91, I've had some issues with setup on laptops. What I usually do is to use the Chakra Project's Alpha5 LiveCD to do the initial install/config, then strip it down and reinstall stock KDE/whatever. Jun 29 23:18:08 and forced hardware manufs to just deliver hardware Jun 29 23:18:23 luke-jr: wouldn't be legal to sell it alas. Jun 29 23:18:24 jef91, I can PM you if you want some advice on that Jun 29 23:18:24 and let software developers brand and sell the finished product Jun 29 23:18:37 luke-jr: and the open GSM stack is the other half of openbts Jun 29 23:19:44 now if only someone made an open CDMA stack and ported it to the N900's modem... Jun 29 23:19:45 SpeedEvil: any ideas on what is in /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/suspend? Jun 29 23:22:38 jacekowski: Only evil! I once looked at that file, and my head completely fell off, nad exploded. Jun 29 23:22:43 Fortunately, I got better. Jun 29 23:23:09 As I understand it all devices have /suspend dirs - look at them. Jun 29 23:23:24 I thin they are something to do with suspending. Jun 29 23:23:31 Thouhg I haven't looked deeper than that. Jun 29 23:24:00 (that is - it's unlikely to be directly o do with USB suspends) Jun 29 23:24:45 well that's usb suspend status Jun 29 23:24:50 and it seems to be otg related Jun 29 23:25:07 but i'm not really in a mood to go deeper into that pile of crap Jun 29 23:25:48 Ah. Jun 29 23:25:58 Sorry - I'm not properly woken up. Jun 29 23:27:23 something tells me compiling the x86_64-softmmu target of qemu on my N900 isn't going to go well... Jun 29 23:27:52 hmmmm Jun 29 23:27:56 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest Jun 29 23:27:57 i'm not a something b-man Jun 29 23:28:04 LOL Jun 29 23:28:06 does LED 4 fails on all phones? Jun 29 23:28:42 nice test Jun 29 23:28:48 says OK here Jun 29 23:29:12 so it's only mine that fails Jun 29 23:29:27 'ok Jun 29 23:29:46 good evening ok? Jun 29 23:30:04 SpeedEvil, decide on one meaning for ' please :P Jun 29 23:31:23 It means anything I want it to mean Jun 29 23:31:34 In this case, it was a mistyped " Jun 29 23:31:40 and I forgot the trailing one Jun 29 23:31:51 jacekowski, messing around in /sys/, are we? Jun 29 23:31:54 http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ Jun 29 23:31:58 lcuk Jun 29 23:32:01 err Jun 29 23:32:03 luke-jr: Jun 29 23:32:20 * b-man waits for his N900 to commit suicide from trying to run x86-64 emulation Jun 29 23:32:38 SpeedEvil, oh, and I fixed the package in -testing (the one you reported a license bug against) Jun 29 23:33:05 jaem: we're messing around with bme and i found that while looking around Jun 29 23:33:12 SpeedEvil: yeah, that's nice and all, but useless to me :( Jun 29 23:33:40 jacekowski, heh... I remember fiddling with the self-tests in there a while back... Jun 29 23:34:17 <_Lucretia_> hi, I have a need to build my own toolchain, can someone point me at a document which will point me in the right direction? thanks Jun 29 23:34:21 I was worried about the accelerometers until I realized that the fact that I was on a train *might* have caused issues with that feature. :P Jun 29 23:34:27 <_Lucretia_> SpeedEvil: hi : Jun 29 23:34:31 _Lucretia_, out of curiousity, why? Jun 29 23:34:43 <_Lucretia_> why do people always ask why? Jun 29 23:35:03 I'm not sure. Why do you think/ Jun 29 23:35:06 ok, building your own toolchain in what system? x86 or direct on arm? Jun 29 23:35:07 ...sorry Jun 29 23:35:14 <_Lucretia_> need an arm compiler Jun 29 23:35:26 to run directly on arm? Jun 29 23:35:26 <_Lucretia_> jaem: I intend to port the exception handling mechanism in gnat to arm Jun 29 23:35:34 Actually, that reminds me... has anyone tried doing native compilation for Maemo? Jun 29 23:35:41 yes jaem Jun 29 23:35:44 often Jun 29 23:35:49 <_Lucretia_> nope, I want to develop on my desktop, but the compiler is for arm, so may as well use my n900 as the base Jun 29 23:35:50 _Lucretia_: because people who normally need to build their own toolchain don't need to ask Jun 29 23:35:55 people that do it ussualy get old Jun 29 23:36:10 lcuk, you were working on-device, right? Jun 29 23:36:11 _Lucretia_, go and read up on scratchbox and follow what they do then Jun 29 23:36:26 I was actually meaning on a rather faster ARM machine. Jun 29 23:36:30 <_Lucretia_> asj: well, I can build my own toolchain, I'm just not sure how to do it for scratchbox Jun 29 23:36:31 people dont normally build their own toolchain because theres a whole metric shittonne of emulation in the way Jun 29 23:36:33 anyone know if clisp was ported to maemo yet? Jun 29 23:36:41 I *Really* want a CAS on my n900 :-/ Jun 29 23:36:43 jaem, not at the moment but thats for different reasons Jun 29 23:36:57 lcuk, Ah. Is it annoying/impractical to set up at the moment? Jun 29 23:37:05 its easier than ever :) Jun 29 23:37:08 jef91, I think there's something in Python that does basic stuff. Jun 29 23:37:13 lcuk: it's slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow Jun 29 23:37:18 pr1.2 gives enough space on / to install build-essential without messing Jun 29 23:37:25 jacekowski, for you maybe Jun 29 23:37:36 >>> Emerging (23 of 1092) sys-apps/which-2.20 Jun 29 23:37:39 jaem there is not a Python based CAS as far as I know Jun 29 23:37:41 lcuk, Sorry. I'm asking how hard it is to set up a native build environment for Maemo on a random ARM server somewheres Jun 29 23:37:46 but my apps build in ~10seconds from extraction, or if i change a couple of files take 2-3seconds Jun 29 23:37:51 so - i dont moan Jun 29 23:37:55 jef91, well, it's not really a CAS, but I think there's an app that does basic symbolic stuff. Jun 29 23:38:09 Yea, I want fall CAS power - something like maxima Jun 29 23:38:12 jaem, i dunno, thats technically still cross compiling Jun 29 23:38:18 full CAS* Jun 29 23:38:19 lcuk, right... Jun 29 23:38:19 i just build in the OS itself Jun 29 23:38:31 > make Jun 29 23:38:42 jaem: does it support the same CPU features? just setup OpenVZ Jun 29 23:38:42 > ./project Jun 29 23:38:43 jef91, Maybe take a look at XCAS - it has Maple-compatible syntax, although I haven't used it much. Jun 29 23:38:47 The current UI is terrible. Jun 29 23:38:55 it works on the n900? Jun 29 23:39:01 luke-jr, I haven't found that out yet - I was just curious if it was worth pursuing Jun 29 23:39:15 jef91, Presumably it could, but there's no port... and see the comment about the UI. Jun 29 23:39:16 jaem: I think it'd be quicker to emulate an ARM system on x86 Jun 29 23:39:20 I think it's in FLTK or something. Jun 29 23:39:23 luke-jr, Okay, thanks. Jun 29 23:39:35 not just quicker to setup, quicker to use Jun 29 23:39:38 and compile Jun 29 23:39:52 jacekowski, is it possible to edit cal on device? Jun 29 23:39:54 just emulate the CPU (qemu-user), not the hardware Jun 29 23:39:55 jef91, I've been hoping someone would do a port for a while, but it doesn't seem to have much mainstream popularity Jun 29 23:40:00 and copy across and install and run Jun 29 23:40:03 MohammadAG51: yes Jun 29 23:40:08 jacekowski, how? Jun 29 23:40:11 this is really neat jaem - thanks! Jun 29 23:40:17 jef91, which? Jun 29 23:40:19 MohammadAG51: #include Jun 29 23:40:26 XCAS Jun 29 23:40:34 This might replace wxMaxima for me Jun 29 23:40:36 MohammadAG51: gcc -lcal yourapp.c Jun 29 23:40:50 MohammadAG51: and you call it like that Jun 29 23:41:09 jef91, ah, yeah, it looked interesting. The main attraction for me is that I will probably have to use Maple at uni at some point, and didn't want to have to learn something else as well. Jun 29 23:41:26 struct cal *cal_s; Jun 29 23:41:32 cal_init (&cal_s) Jun 29 23:41:38 cal_write_block (cal_s, "usb_host_mode", &rd_mode_string, 1, CAL_FLAG_USER); Jun 29 23:41:51 I'm a 3rd year math student jaem Jun 29 23:41:53 or no flags Jun 29 23:41:56 CAS = very useful now and then Jun 29 23:42:04 just NULL there Jun 29 23:42:10 and then cal_finis(cal_s) Jun 29 23:42:18 jef91, heh... well, if I had the time, I'd certainly be interested in working on a port. Jun 29 23:42:22 I'm kind of busy now, though. Jun 29 23:42:27 and to read it Jun 29 23:42:32 cal_read_block (cal_s, "bme", &tmp, &len, 0); Jun 29 23:42:51 they have an arm package jaem Jun 29 23:42:58 downloading it now Jun 29 23:43:18 MohammadAG51: and i think maximum len size is around 1.5k Jun 29 23:43:22 jef91, IIRC that's really old, and probably won't work on Maemo. Jun 29 23:43:27 MohammadAG51: well, maximum block size Jun 29 23:43:28 Feel free to prove me wrong, though. Jun 29 23:44:08 MohammadAG51: data can't be deleted from cal Jun 29 23:45:13 MohammadAG51: and you have to use same flags for reading and writing Jun 29 23:46:59 good night Jun 29 23:47:43 night Jun 29 23:51:17 jacekowski, so it's not really safe to do it Jun 29 23:51:45 (to enable/disable rd mode on the device itself) Jun 30 00:52:18 remember when we used yahoo and altavista? Jun 30 00:53:00 * SpeedEvil remembers archie. Jun 30 00:53:03 (vaguely) Jun 30 00:53:06 And veronica. Jun 30 00:54:36 http://www.hulu.com/plus hmmmm. Jun 30 00:55:08 SpeedEvil, archie as in archlinux archie? Jun 30 00:58:35 no Jun 30 00:59:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_search_engine Jun 30 01:01:02 and archie though index ftp servers was hard Jun 30 01:01:44 heh Jun 30 01:01:50 remember gopher? Jun 30 01:01:51 To be fair - at the time - bandwidth was doubleplusuncheap Jun 30 01:02:05 (01:53:06 AM) SpeedEvil: And veronica. Jun 30 01:02:12 that originated from the geeks at UMN and champaign urbana Jun 30 01:03:05 SpeedEvil: and cpu time was expensive, etc. I love the refresh rate, once a month. The internet was a lot less dynamic back then eh? Jun 30 01:03:25 pupnik: of course, and had the license on the server not been horrible...we might all be using gopher Jun 30 01:03:50 The original Gopher system was released in late spring of 1991 by Mark McCahill, Farhad Anklesaria, Paul Lindner, Daniel Torrey, Adam Huminsky, and Bob Alberti of the University of Minnesota. Jun 30 01:03:55 i knew those guys Jun 30 01:04:00 Biblically? Jun 30 01:04:13 :) Jun 30 01:04:13 nope, occasional chat Jun 30 01:04:19 (ok it was horrible, but it was troublesome enough that companies just couldn't use it willy nilly) Jun 30 01:04:30 i didn't know that asj Jun 30 01:04:38 Timblee pops into another channel I'm in on occasion. Jun 30 01:04:38 that suxks Jun 30 01:05:01 pupnik: you had to pay a license fee based on revenue Jun 30 01:05:07 err, earnings Jun 30 01:08:04 aha the u of mn did that in 1993 - some wanker Jun 30 01:08:08 of course html+http was just so much more flexible, who knows how it would have turned out. Jun 30 01:09:11 I have - relatively - few complaints about http Jun 30 01:09:19 html could havebeen better in many ways Jun 30 01:10:10 i would have preferred a page-description languuage Jun 30 01:10:30 I mean minor syntax tweaks mainly. Jun 30 01:10:38 server can deliver different documents to different size client screens Jun 30 01:10:39 For example - SpeedEvil: it certainly changed the internet Jun 30 01:10:51 Why not a general embed tag? Jun 30 01:10:53 Oh - sure. Jun 30 01:11:15 pupnik: ah, but that's exactly what html 1.0 didn't want to do Jun 30 01:11:20 good question SpeedEvil Jun 30 01:11:38 Before the www, you had to actually type the name of the porn file. Jun 30 01:11:59 rn Jun 30 01:12:57 SpeedEvil: too flexible and too much work. at first it was hard enough for a lot of environments to get images to display, much less other content and their controls Jun 30 01:13:03 * SpeedEvil beats pupnik over the head with tin. Jun 30 01:14:36 can't forget about uudecode Jun 30 01:15:08 * SpeedEvil strips asjs trailing spaces. Jun 30 01:16:10 oh no you don'tM Jun 30 01:17:01 (and if you understand that...you're an old fart) Jun 30 01:27:51 I dont get it Jun 30 01:32:14 yeah i was so happy when tin came out SpeedEvil Jun 30 01:32:39 still wasted too much time in newsgroups Jun 30 01:35:11 The proper google search for me reveals >60000 hits on usenet. Jun 30 01:36:15 wow Jun 30 01:37:18 OTOH - I did learn a lot. Jun 30 01:37:52 Primarily that shortly after canter and siegal - choosing to send a unique email address per post to track spam may not be a good idea. Jun 30 01:37:57 that explains a lot Jun 30 01:38:21 At one point, I hit 8% of my ISPs incoming email. (mortgage spam bounces) Jun 30 01:40:04 i am enjoying being an internet olde phart Jun 30 02:02:07 pupnik: i just installed pingus on the n900 under debian chroot, it actually works quite well. Jun 30 02:02:52 i probably haven't got audio properly setup under the chroot, so i have to disable sound and music, but hey. Jun 30 02:03:51 no hiccups during play? Jun 30 02:04:23 no Jun 30 02:04:28 at least no the first few levels Jun 30 02:04:33 hmph :) Jun 30 02:04:53 maybe he fixed it Jun 30 02:05:32 who's he? Jun 30 02:05:40 author, forgot his name Jun 30 02:05:48 right Jun 30 02:07:18 more can be done to improve it on the n900, like fullscreen mode, etc Jun 30 02:07:27 -f doesn't work properly Jun 30 02:07:44 http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ there's his blog Jun 30 02:08:48 make levels :) Jun 30 02:13:17 ah Jun 30 02:13:19 can't it be compiled for N900 without easy-debian? Jun 30 02:13:38 probably, just i haven't. Jun 30 02:16:01 oh dear, grumbel reveals major suckiness in mass effect 2 :) Jun 30 02:30:58 http://code.google.com/p/galapix/ this could an interesting image viewer for tablet Jun 30 02:35:54 does it just use mipmaps or something? how does it handle textures? Jun 30 02:39:30 it caches Jun 30 02:40:33 http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa10-01.html critical security flaw in flash <= 10.0.45.2 Jun 30 02:42:12 flash, the sendmail of the 21st century! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 30 02:59:57 2010