**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 30 02:59:57 2010
Jun 30 03:22:46 <LiraNuna_> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34095
Jun 30 03:22:51 <LiraNuna_> hehe, working on one \:D/
Jun 30 03:36:42 <saint> LiraNuna_: yea, I'm thinking of investing in a N900...  but want good navigation.  :-S
Jun 30 03:37:08 <LiraNuna_> still prototyping, though - I'm trying to see what's better for battery life
Jun 30 03:37:31 <LiraNuna_> I've looked at Mappero but it uses what seems to be software acceleration of bliting
Jun 30 03:39:43 <saint> LiraNuna_: so sorry, what exactly are you working on creating?
Jun 30 03:39:55 <LiraNuna_> a Google Map client
Jun 30 03:40:13 <saint> LiraNuna_: wow.
Jun 30 03:40:37 <saint> LiraNuna_: :-)
Jun 30 03:40:45 <ptl> cool!
Jun 30 03:41:07 <ptl> with routing capabilities?
Jun 30 03:41:13 <LiraNuna_> hopefully :D
Jun 30 03:41:16 <saint> LiraNuna_: would be nice if you could download maps and not need a net connection....
Jun 30 03:41:28 <LiraNuna_> saint, scraping maps is against google's TOD
Jun 30 03:41:30 <LiraNuna_> TOS*
Jun 30 03:41:35 <saint> LiraNuna_: a road trip in many parts of the world can be tough if you need a connection - cost or coverage.
Jun 30 03:41:44 <saint> LiraNuna_: yea...
Jun 30 03:42:04 <LiraNuna_> I'm going to aim for everything I hate about Ovi Maps
Jun 30 03:42:10 <LiraNuna_> 1) launch speed
Jun 30 03:42:17 <LiraNuna_> 2) scrolling speed
Jun 30 03:42:20 <LiraNuna_> 3) better search
Jun 30 03:43:20 <asj> 4) running maps while on the motorcycle and in a tank bag, the n900 gets too hot and shutsdown
Jun 30 03:43:56 <saint> asj: lol
Jun 30 03:43:56 <LiraNuna_> ouch
Jun 30 03:44:53 <asj> the australian sun is hot, unlike the UK or Finish sun at midday, but a GPS that won't turn on is beyond useless
Jun 30 03:45:05 <saint> asj: ahh, a fellow Aussie.
Jun 30 03:45:12 <saint> asj: yea, +1
Jun 30 03:45:23 <ljp> you can always use a paper GPS :)
Jun 30 03:45:57 <asj> ljp: tried once...but at 100km they are hard to read and hold...
Jun 30 03:46:10 <asj> especially after it wraps around your helmet
Jun 30 03:46:13 <saint> asj: you're obviously just riding too fast ;-)
Jun 30 03:46:44 <asj> saint: you work for the queensland police dept? ;)
Jun 30 03:46:47 <saint> asj: there's so many 40km/h road work sites in Oz, ... just check the paper GPS then ;-)
Jun 30 03:46:52 <ljp> asj: just have to follow the white dotted line
Jun 30 03:47:14 <asj> saint: I can't do that, I'
Jun 30 03:47:25 <asj> m too busy looking for photo radar
Jun 30 03:47:30 <saint> asj: hah
Jun 30 03:48:01 <saint> asj: build a cooling unit for your N900 and market it ;-)
Jun 30 03:48:12 <saint> asj: you with Optus?
Jun 30 03:48:25 <asj> saint: nope, telstra
Jun 30 03:48:40 <saint> asj: ahh.. don't miss NextG I suppose?
Jun 30 03:48:53 <saint> (sorry if this is too off-topic for the channel)
Jun 30 03:49:08 <asj> saint: in the city it isn't a problem, when traveling I have an n97 I can carry that does 850
Jun 30 03:49:24 <saint> asj: *nod*
Jun 30 03:50:29 <asj> telstra 850mhz 3g has amazing coverage, but there's no speed to it, normally it seems around 256kbit if I guessed
Jun 30 03:50:58 <asj> in far rural locations of course
Jun 30 03:50:59 <saint> asj: I figure, since I need a new device, and need a keyboard, ssh, openvpn, browser, ... and pref. also GPS nagivation....  the N900 is still the best bet out there, whether w/ Maemo or MeeGo...
Jun 30 03:51:17 <saint> asj: *nod*
Jun 30 03:52:21 <asj> saint: I'm pleased with it, I wish they woulnd't have crippled ovi maps though
Jun 30 03:52:33 <saint> asj: that's my biggest disappointment from what I've read, also
Jun 30 03:53:36 <asj> saint: it's a great geek device, especially if you're willing to accept it's rough spots for the good bits
Jun 30 03:53:41 <saint> I really wonder about Nokia's ... sanity ... with some of what they seem to be doing.  hrm.
Jun 30 03:54:27 <saint> great potential, ideas, technology... just not all wrapped up.
Jun 30 03:54:51 <saint> I don't profess to have a complete picture though.
Jun 30 03:54:53 <saint> :-)
Jun 30 03:55:31 <asj> mmm, sometimes turning the Titanic takes years while poeple have snowball fights on the deck
Jun 30 03:55:33 <saint> its a tough market, with lots of stuff to try and keep supporting.
Jun 30 03:55:41 <saint> asj: indeed.
Jun 30 03:58:07 <saint> asj: you tried the latest 1.2 update w/ Ovi Maps and the map downloader, I presume?  better than what was first available?
Jun 30 03:58:26 <asj> saint: no, I've never used the map downloader
Jun 30 03:58:30 <asj> I'm told it works
Jun 30 03:58:55 <saint> asj: I read that apparently the map downloader can now work, and a number of non-working / crippled things from before now kinda work in the latest.
Jun 30 03:59:40 <asj> the biggest crippled item is turn by turn directions, they have all the info there, except the live tracking and recalculatiopn
Jun 30 04:03:10 <saint> kinda odd, that they cannot ... get the logic running after ...  six, nine, .. mths?
Jun 30 04:05:41 <asj> saint: I think it's a consious descision, there's either a licsense key or data xfer they don't want published.  Due to the lack of drm and full access to the kernel anyone could copy it and they would lose IP
Jun 30 04:06:17 <saint> asj: yea! was thinking the same.  would explain a lot.
Jun 30 04:07:23 <asj> saint: while it's more complicated than "they're retarded" the software works fairly well, so they've got 95% done and can't figure out the last 5?
Jun 30 04:08:12 <saint> asj: I have a Nokia N95 also...  no Ovi Maps 3.0.3 for that either, hah.
Jun 30 04:08:38 <asj> well the n95 is pretty old <shrug>
Jun 30 04:10:21 <saint> asj: yea, guess it misses the cut off - there always has to be one.  I'm not like one of those bitter ranting anti-Nokia trolls *g*
Jun 30 04:13:58 <asj> saint: there's so many n95s out there you figure they would do it for the good will...but maybe it provides an upgrade insentive.  The n95 has a poor gps receiver anyways... <dunno>
Jun 30 04:20:56 <saint> asj: on that, I've oft argued that good will _IS_ the upgrade incentive.
Jun 30 04:21:11 <saint> asj: what makes me buy another of the same brand ... being treated nicely.
Jun 30 04:22:19 <saint> asj: if its a technical limitation e.g. poor transmitter, then you can basically say, "we would, but we can't", otherwise its "we went to the effort because wehn you buy Nokia, you buy a life long relationship"
Jun 30 04:22:33 * saint wonders if anybody from Nokia's Marketing department wants to offer him a job yet.
Jun 30 04:22:34 <saint> lol
Jun 30 04:23:45 <D-Iivil> zzz... good... zzzz.... morning ....
Jun 30 04:28:01 <D-Iivil> how can a man be this tired :O
Jun 30 04:32:55 <D-Iivil> oh well, time for work.
Jun 30 04:34:07 <flux> sar3th, no idea, it's been eons since I've ran it the lastime
Jun 30 04:37:36 <sar3th> flux: fsck.vfat -a /dev/...
Jun 30 04:37:39 <sar3th> fixed it
Jun 30 04:37:40 <sar3th> :)
Jun 30 04:37:49 <sar3th> no important data loss too
Jun 30 04:39:30 <luke-jr> saint: what? Nokia doesn't even finish what they promise historically, let alone maintain the device for life...
Jun 30 04:39:41 <luke-jr> be realistic XD
Jun 30 04:42:39 <saint> luke-jr: mhmm.  certainly, a lot of N900 owners feel pretty let down.  its a pity given the hardware and the potential.
Jun 30 04:42:59 <luke-jr> saint: N900 is "present"; historically = N8x0, 770
Jun 30 04:43:09 <luke-jr> Nokia does seem to be improving, I'll give them that
Jun 30 04:43:10 <saint> luke-jr: ack
Jun 30 04:49:21 <Termana> yello
Jun 30 04:49:54 <RST38h> moo all
Jun 30 04:50:06 * RST38h has fixed the FBReader problem with PR1.2
Jun 30 04:51:07 <DocScrutinizer> ~hail RST38h
Jun 30 04:51:08 * infobot bows down to RST38h and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Jun 30 05:38:11 <RST38h> On a related subject, does anyone know of a reliable ways to detect *finger* taps in N900?
Jun 30 05:39:36 <MiXu-> On the screen or the acceleometer?
Jun 30 05:42:33 * RST38h sighs
Jun 30 05:45:24 <MiXu-> Well if you're after screen tap events I'm sure there's a way to get them from the x server somehow :)
Jun 30 05:45:41 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: it is safe
Jun 30 06:18:33 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 30 06:18:42 <D-Iivili_Work> Jaffa, good morning
Jun 30 06:18:52 * D-Iivili_Work is now _almost_ awake
Jun 30 06:18:59 <Jaffa> :)
Jun 30 06:19:13 <D-Iivili_Work> It's amazing what four cups of coffee can do to a man.
Jun 30 06:19:33 <D-Iivili_Work> Slept like three hours last night.
Jun 30 06:25:59 <psycho_oreos> caffeine = nitrous oxide equivalent for the heart
Jun 30 06:26:26 <D-Iivili_Work> psycho_oreos, caffeine = the only thing that mostly keeps me going
Jun 30 06:27:05 <psycho_oreos> D-Iivili_Work, lol I can relate, but once caffeine wears out, you'll crash.. and crash fairly hard.. the more caffeine you have the harder you'll end up crashing
Jun 30 06:27:20 <psycho_oreos> like going to bed
Jun 30 06:27:59 <D-Iivili_Work> Regular amount of coffee during working day is like 8-12 cups for me. Plus two or three in the morning before heading to work :P
Jun 30 06:28:28 * psycho_oreos used to have 600 mg of caffeine (roughly equivalent to 6 cups of coffee) a day.. other times its at least 2x500ml energy drinks or even 4
Jun 30 06:28:37 <LiraNuna_> !bug 6615
Jun 30 06:28:38 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 Battery Dies Under 6 Hours with Very Moderate Use (Static IP?)
Jun 30 06:28:52 <psycho_oreos> lol I was about to beat you until you say you have 8-12 :D
Jun 30 06:29:50 <psycho_oreos> I think 1000mg of caffeine was my maximum hit in one day (roughly equivalent to 10 cups of coffee)
Jun 30 06:31:28 <D-Iivili_Work> psycho_oreos, the 8-12 was the amount during working day :-D
Jun 30 06:31:31 <psycho_oreos> but yeah I can't continue drinking coffee after caffeine wears out on me.. the extra added benefits just doesn't want to stack up.. so I still end up crashing.. and pretty hard
Jun 30 06:31:57 * D-Iivili_Work goes to get some coffee & smoke
Jun 30 06:32:05 <psycho_oreos> D-Iivili_Work, yeah like I said, I lost heavily lol :) I thought I was pretty insane, taking roughly 10 cups
Jun 30 06:35:38 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/images/av-test_table_0610.jpg
Jun 30 06:35:48 <timeless_mbp> … note the yellow bar :)
Jun 30 07:09:45 <ham5> I can duplicate a crash in netmon
Jun 30 07:10:21 <ham5> if you go switch to offline mode and back while the program is running it will hang
Jun 30 07:16:54 <KnightStalker> Hello,my fMMS will tell me that its receiving something when I receive an MMS but in few seconds it says Unable to retrive
Jun 30 07:16:56 <KnightStalker> any ideas?
Jun 30 07:17:14 <KnightStalker> "Downloading MMS (push)" => something like that
Jun 30 07:17:47 <ham5> didnt think the n900 did mms
Jun 30 07:17:55 <KnightStalker> fMMS does MMS
Jun 30 07:18:05 <KnightStalker> oh nvm it,just connected via GPRS and tried it again,and it worked
Jun 30 07:18:08 <KnightStalker> Sorry
Jun 30 07:18:08 <KnightStalker> :P
Jun 30 07:19:04 <TigerTael> gfn5
Jun 30 07:19:06 <TigerTael> oops
Jun 30 07:22:17 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, set connection mode to Havoc @ fmms settings and it will automaticly connect to correct network when you're receiving or sending stuff.
Jun 30 07:22:31 <KnightStalker> oh thx!
Jun 30 07:23:08 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, allthough it's much slower (takes time to send or receive), but you don't need to manually change the connection every time you need to play with MMSses
Jun 30 07:26:02 <mersad> hello
Jun 30 07:29:17 <D-Iivili_Work> hello
Jun 30 07:29:25 <D-Iivili_Work> Aaah.. he quit already
Jun 30 07:31:00 * D-Iivili_Work strugling with usb networking
Jun 30 07:31:38 <Appiah> D-Iivili_Work: you can do it!
Jun 30 07:32:00 <D-Iivili_Work> Appiah, heh, thanks for the support.
Jun 30 07:33:06 <D-Iivili_Work> I just don't get it. I get the networking up and running in the phone (ifconfig usb0 shows the ip etc) and I get the custom drivers being installed to the PC, but I still cant get the ssh connection working :-/
Jun 30 07:34:15 <KnightStalker> how you got ifconfig working on phone? <3
Jun 30 07:34:31 <KnightStalker> so thats possible to get tunneled IPv6 work as well via ifconfig right? ;P
Jun 30 07:34:56 <KnightStalker> and anyways,I never tried to ssh through usb,but openssh-client works when I tried to SSH to my machine via internet
Jun 30 07:35:22 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, SSH is working fine through wi-fi or GMS network. I just want to get the usb-way working also.
Jun 30 07:35:37 * D-Iivili_Work does not have a wifi -connection at his summer house atm
Jun 30 07:36:01 <MiXu-> Install usbnetworking package from repos (was it fremantle tools)
Jun 30 07:36:26 <KnightStalker> eh,no idea about ifconfig? :s
Jun 30 07:36:29 <D-Iivili_Work> MiXu-, aaa! I missed that step while reading th wikipage
Jun 30 07:36:35 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, hold on
Jun 30 07:37:57 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, dunno what you want to do with ifconfig, but it's working on my phone: http://www.pastie.org/1024680
Jun 30 07:38:06 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, you just need to be root first
Jun 30 07:38:32 <KnightStalker> oh yes!
Jun 30 07:38:36 <KnightStalker> It works with sudo!
Jun 30 07:38:51 <KnightStalker> That will be incredible if I can use ifconfig to tunnel Ipv6 :D
Jun 30 07:38:54 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, or after you've sudo gainrooted yourself
Jun 30 07:39:21 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, or through SSH etc etc
Jun 30 07:40:10 <D-Iivili_Work> Now it's time to drink some more coffee and smoke some more cigarettes =>
Jun 30 07:40:53 <KnightStalker> bad address 'inet6' =(
Jun 30 07:40:56 <KnightStalker> didn't work out XD
Jun 30 07:41:07 <KnightStalker> D-livil_Work,cya :P
Jun 30 07:41:54 <petteri> IPv6 is not enabled on default maemo kernel
Jun 30 07:42:12 <KnightStalker> oh,can we do something to get it enabled?
Jun 30 07:42:26 <D-Iivili_Work> does power kernel has it enabled?
Jun 30 07:42:30 <petteri> there is custom kernel with IPv6
Jun 30 07:42:52 <KnightStalker> whats the custom kernel name?
Jun 30 07:43:02 <petteri> don't know, haven't used it
Jun 30 07:43:05 <petteri> sorry
Jun 30 07:43:24 <D-Iivili_Work> will check it in a minute...
Jun 30 07:43:38 <D-Iivili_Work> Seems to be enabled: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#IPv6
Jun 30 07:44:32 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, so just download the Kernel Power from extras-devel or testing and install it and then reboot. Voila, you have IPv6 and also possibility to overclock the device easily
Jun 30 07:45:02 <KnightStalker> Wow,thats incredible!
Jun 30 07:45:05 <KnightStalker> <3
Jun 30 07:48:00 <pahartik> KnightStalker: "iproute" is recommended instead of "ifconfig" and "route"...
Jun 30 07:55:11 <ZogG> \o/
Jun 30 07:55:13 <ZogG> holla
Jun 30 07:55:18 <pahartik> KnightStalker: Also, one can take "aiccu" and "radvd" from Debian and move them manually to "/opt/"
Jun 30 07:56:26 <ZogG> i want to burn bluray with my n900 =)))
Jun 30 07:56:42 <KnightStalker> lol
Jun 30 07:59:13 <ZogG> KnightStalker, not funny, i want to burn PS3 games, so i can play them on emulator for n900 =)
Jun 30 07:59:31 <joga> good luck with that :p
Jun 30 07:59:56 <KnightStalker> eh,PSX also can play PS3 games?
Jun 30 07:59:59 <KnightStalker> OMG?
Jun 30 08:00:04 <ZogG> joga, when i get it done, you don't get any of it >:(
Jun 30 08:00:20 <MohammadAG51> theoritically, the N900 should be able to burn blu-rays
Jun 30 08:00:22 <joga> KnightStalker: of course, it also runs vectrex games and makes the most delicious coffee
Jun 30 08:00:42 <KnightStalker> Dear N900,may you please clean my room for me? :P
Jun 30 08:00:43 <joga> ZogG: that's ok since you won't be getting it done
Jun 30 08:00:47 <ZogG> KnightStalker, yeah, tha's why it's PSX, so you can put any number instead of X
Jun 30 08:00:59 <ZogG> joga, you just not openminded enuf
Jun 30 08:01:20 <joga> ZogG: you wouldn't know how openminded I really am ;)
Jun 30 08:01:31 <MohammadAG51> as open as maemo
Jun 30 08:01:44 <ZogG> thank you MohammadAG51 :*
Jun 30 08:01:54 <ZogG> MohammadAG51, sup? summer break, huh?
Jun 30 08:02:03 <MohammadAG51> yea
Jun 30 08:02:18 <ZogG> lucky bastard
Jun 30 08:02:22 <MohammadAG51> lol
Jun 30 08:02:30 <joga> does an emulator even exist for the ps3?
Jun 30 08:02:35 <MohammadAG51> no
Jun 30 08:02:46 <joga> if it did, I bet it would require some supercomputer to run a simple game heh
Jun 30 08:02:48 <joga> :)
Jun 30 08:02:49 <Appiah> there is for PS2 , enjoy that instead
Jun 30 08:02:52 <MohammadAG51> emulating a cell wouldn't be easy
Jun 30 08:03:08 <D-Iivili_Work> Dear N900, could you please shut up my nagging wife while I'm browsin t.m.o. Thanks.
Jun 30 08:03:33 <MohammadAG51> Not in sudoers, this incident will be reported to the wife
Jun 30 08:03:45 <D-Iivili_Work> Haha :D
Jun 30 08:03:50 <KnightStalker> lawl
Jun 30 08:03:59 <D-Iivili_Work> sudo ifdown wife0
Jun 30 08:04:04 <sx0n> D-Iivili_Work, you can order her a Cosmopolitan with n900, that would do it for a while :)
Jun 30 08:04:16 <MohammadAG51> Interface not supported
Jun 30 08:04:26 <ZogG> joga Appiah you can use ps1 and ps2 emulator in the same time, so you have 2+1=3
Jun 30 08:04:28 <D-Iivili_Work> sx0n, too bad she does not care about cosmo :-/
Jun 30 08:04:29 <KnightStalker> sudo shutdown -r 0
Jun 30 08:04:30 <KnightStalker> :D
Jun 30 08:04:42 <MohammadAG51> Not in sudoers, this incident will be reported
Jun 30 08:04:54 <MrSpooge> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
Jun 30 08:05:08 <joga> MrSpooge: fail
Jun 30 08:05:17 <MohammadAG51> indeed
Jun 30 08:05:23 <Appiah> ZogG: great!
Jun 30 08:05:28 <sx0n> sleep 5*3600
Jun 30 08:05:32 * KnightStalker drops the MohammadAG51's N900 from the sky to the ground
Jun 30 08:05:36 <KnightStalker> Report That!
Jun 30 08:05:47 <KnightStalker> XD
Jun 30 08:05:54 <MohammadAG51> done
Jun 30 08:05:57 <MohammadAG51> xD
Jun 30 08:06:05 <KnightStalker> :o
Jun 30 08:07:31 <ZogG> stop with than cartman smiley XD
Jun 30 08:07:45 <ZogG> ._.
Jun 30 08:07:56 <KnightStalker> :p
Jun 30 08:12:28 <D-Iivili_Work> Could someone help me why my Chromium build fails: http://www.pastie.org/1024715
Jun 30 08:15:44 <ZogG> D-Iivili_Work on N900?
Jun 30 08:17:12 <D-Iivili_Work> ZogG, no, inside scratchbox
Jun 30 08:18:26 <wazd> hello people
Jun 30 08:19:14 <ZogG> wazd sup
Jun 30 08:19:23 <KnightStalker> any nice place to find ROM files working on PSX emulator?
Jun 30 08:19:29 <KnightStalker> (and I can google >_>)
Jun 30 08:20:03 <ZogG> D-Iivili_Work, try to run it from root (not that safe btw)
Jun 30 08:20:12 <ZogG> or try to give permissions to that file
Jun 30 08:20:22 <D-Iivili_Work> ZogG, what do you mean by run it from root?
Jun 30 08:20:37 <ZogG> KnightStalker yes, there is russian site (it's in english too) it has tons of games, forgot the name
Jun 30 08:21:19 <KnightStalker> lol ZogG :p
Jun 30 08:21:42 <ZogG> D-Iivili_Work, /bin/sh: line 1: ../build/linux/python_arch.sh: Permission denied
Jun 30 08:23:03 <D-Iivili_Work> ZogG, yeah, I see that permission is denied, but what do you mean by running it FROM root?
Jun 30 08:23:46 <ZogG> just change the permission of the file
Jun 30 08:23:57 <TriztFromWork> I tried the power kernel, but did think it wasn't good, gave a lagish feeling, after reverting back to the default kernel, it still feels lagish, like starting a few seconds video I recorded with the phone take a good while to start
Jun 30 08:24:25 <D-Iivili_Work> TriztFromWork, give it a minute. It might be apt-worker or tracker doing it's job
Jun 30 08:25:22 <D-Iivili_Work> ZogG, well.. I tried to set it 0777, didn't work :-/
Jun 30 08:25:31 <TriztFromWork> shouldn't be doing anything, at least the cpu meeter don't show much activity
Jun 30 08:26:08 <ZogG> D-Iivili_Work try 666
Jun 30 08:26:14 <sx0n> TriztFromWork, how high you oc'ed ?
Jun 30 08:26:20 <D-Iivili_Work> ZogG, the number of the beast!
Jun 30 08:26:24 <ZogG> yes =))
Jun 30 08:26:28 <D-Iivili_Work> Will try that also :)
Jun 30 08:26:39 <D-Iivili_Work> Hell and fire was born to be released...
Jun 30 08:26:50 <ZogG> Setting permissions to 666 or 777 will allow everyone to read and write to a file or directory.
Jun 30 08:28:01 <TriztFromWork> sx0n; no overclocking and I don't use the power kernel anymore, I reverted back to the original kernel
Jun 30 08:28:33 <sx0n> iirc default MHz is same in stock kernel also.
Jun 30 08:28:54 <sx0n> i notice difference in web-browsing anyway.
Jun 30 08:29:38 <ZogG> i don't think overclocking is a godd thing anyway
Jun 30 08:29:55 <sx0n> it's best thing
Jun 30 08:31:00 <D-Iivili_Work> ZogG, plaah... with 666 I get tons of new errors :-D Maybe I'll just leave this for now and try to search already built .deb package of chromium
Jun 30 08:31:13 <ZogG> there is
Jun 30 08:31:16 <ZogG> but it's not opt
Jun 30 08:33:38 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11646&stc=1&d=1277882985 <- since when it is a theme bug? :)
Jun 30 08:35:08 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, I think you didn't use solid color for highlighting stuff @ tool bar ;)
Jun 30 08:35:32 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, but now that I look closely I think the creator of the software could have used some other element for highlighting.
Jun 30 08:35:35 <D-Iivili_Work> So my bad :)
Jun 30 08:35:51 <D-Iivili_Work> Didn't see it was a 3rd party software. Thought it was in build cam app at first sight :D
Jun 30 08:36:01 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: yes, but I can't track all improper use of ellements in the world :)
Jun 30 08:36:42 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, sorry. Was tiried while looked that over. Edited my post already :)
Jun 30 08:37:10 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: :)
Jun 30 08:37:30 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: no, actually I was just curious mayme I've really made a mistake somewhere
Jun 30 08:38:59 <Noma> D-Iivili_Work: you could make this kind of theme next: http://summel.de/stuff/maemo-theme.png :)
Jun 30 08:39:37 <D-Iivili_Work> Noma, where is that from?
Jun 30 08:40:05 <Noma> D-Iivili_Work: i think summel has made this "concept picture"
Jun 30 08:40:27 <D-Iivili_Work> Noma, maybe I'll let him finish it then :)
Jun 30 08:40:32 <D-Iivili_Work> Looks good though :)
Jun 30 08:40:35 <BCMM> Noma: reminds me of oxygen, but with right-angles
Jun 30 08:40:46 <BCMM> actually quite nice
Jun 30 08:40:55 <BCMM> modern-looking and not horrible
Jun 30 08:41:04 <D-Iivili_Work> I think I'm gonna take a small vacation on themming when I finally get this Black Plastic 2.0 out with color scheme selector :)
Jun 30 08:41:29 <Noma> D-Iivili_Work: he isn't doing it, because he said he has not the knowledge of doing themes, he just made the concept and asked if someone could do it
Jun 30 08:41:46 <D-Iivili_Work> Noma, well in that case... hehe :D We'll see.
Jun 30 08:42:19 <D-Iivili_Work> But in the meantime I try to survive from a customer who drives me grazy.
Jun 30 08:42:49 <D-Iivili_Work> He ordered a web layout and oh my god how difficult it has been to satisfy the guy.
Jun 30 08:43:34 <D-Iivili_Work> And what's best, when I ask him questions about how would he like something to be, the answers are like: well put it somehow somewhere.
Jun 30 08:43:55 <pupnik_> argh
Jun 30 08:44:10 <pupnik_> courage, D-Iivili_Work
Jun 30 08:44:11 <D-Iivili_Work> I have nowadays motto: "customer is about 3% right"
Jun 30 08:44:26 <pupnik_> and keep good recordsx
Jun 30 08:44:53 <D-Iivili_Work> pupnik_, keep good recordsx?
Jun 30 08:45:16 <pupnik_> and keep good records
Jun 30 08:45:36 <D-Iivili_Work> what does that mean :D
Jun 30 08:46:08 <pupnik_> documentation of the process
Jun 30 08:46:24 <wazd> ooooh, I've fixed "gear" bug. Epic :)
Jun 30 08:46:35 <D-Iivili_Work> Aaah... well yeah. Too bad I agreed to do this with pre settled payment. Not by billing per hours.
Jun 30 08:47:00 <D-Iivili_Work> Won't be doing anything for that guy anymore in the future though :D
Jun 30 08:51:11 <mirf> wazd: gear bug?
Jun 30 08:52:00 <wazd> mirf: I had one in Marina Theme and didn't know how to avoid it. I know now :)
Jun 30 08:52:22 <mirf> oh
Jun 30 08:53:41 <wazd> btw, maybe anyone can suggest me any text editor that doesn't ruin linux line endings?
Jun 30 08:54:10 <MohammadAG51> gedit? :)
Jun 30 08:54:40 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, try psPad
Jun 30 08:54:50 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, I have had great success with it.
Jun 30 08:55:11 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, but best thing would be to setup a scratchbox installation ;)
Jun 30 08:55:30 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: to edit singe text file? :)
Jun 30 08:55:35 <wazd> single*
Jun 30 08:55:53 <MohammadAG> wazd, use gedit, it runs on both Windows and Linux, and it has syntax highlighting
Jun 30 08:56:14 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: Maybe I should buy separate 8 core PC for that :)
Jun 30 08:56:24 <ZogG> use blufish
Jun 30 08:56:27 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, not just for editing text file; you could also build the theme locally and test it before uploading to autobuilder etc.
Jun 30 08:56:32 <MohammadAG> wlan0 is the wlan interface, phonet0 is the cellular modem, what's wmaster0
Jun 30 08:56:46 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, just use virtual machine. That's how I do it.
Jun 30 08:56:57 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, webmaster?
Jun 30 08:56:59 <D-Iivili_Work> :P
Jun 30 08:57:08 <ZogG> world master =)
Jun 30 08:57:09 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 30 08:58:52 <wazd> seriously, no native win text editor? :)
Jun 30 08:59:02 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, use the pspad
Jun 30 08:59:08 <wazd> I'm not quite sure about installing whole GTK with that :)
Jun 30 08:59:11 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, it's free and works.
Jun 30 09:00:05 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: thx, let's try it
Jun 30 09:03:50 <ZogG> wazd are windows user?
Jun 30 09:04:07 <wazd> ZogG: yes, we are :)
Jun 30 09:04:07 <D-Iivili_Work> It's out for testing: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57456
Jun 30 09:04:28 <ZogG> wazd you are
Jun 30 09:04:43 <wazd> ZogG: :)
Jun 30 09:05:09 * D-Iivili_Work thinks he has deserved coffee and smoke break
Jun 30 09:06:32 <MohammadAG> wazd, wordpad
Jun 30 09:06:33 <MohammadAG> xD
Jun 30 09:06:49 <wazd> MohammadAG: it corrupts too :)
Jun 30 09:07:08 <MohammadAG> really? the one on win 7 works for opening
Jun 30 09:08:20 <lcuk> D-Iivili_Work, nicely done.  installing and testing now.
Jun 30 09:08:59 <wazd> MohammadAG: it "fixes" uniz line endings in changelog so The Mighty Autobuilder can't swallow it :)
Jun 30 09:09:12 <andrenarchy> has anyone successfully tried 'arapp' (augmented reality demo app)?
Jun 30 09:09:31 <mirr0r> yes
Jun 30 09:09:36 <mirr0r> it works fine
Jun 30 09:09:47 <lcuk> yes andrenarchy - i got it to work by pointing camera at my laptop screen which had the pdf of the AR marker on
Jun 30 09:09:54 <andrenarchy> mirr0r: it's segfaulting
Jun 30 09:09:58 <tristan> whats ar?
Jun 30 09:10:04 <mirr0r> augumented reality
Jun 30 09:10:58 <andrenarchy> arapp window closes before the camera image is shown on screen
Jun 30 09:11:15 <mirr0r> do you have camera open while you start the app?
Jun 30 09:11:17 <andrenarchy> it worked only the first time
Jun 30 09:11:21 <andrenarchy> yes it's opened
Jun 30 09:11:23 <X-Fade> andrenarchy: Open lens cover, close camera app.
Jun 30 09:11:25 <tristan> i dont understand that work in this context.
Jun 30 09:11:26 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, no need to reboot, just reload all UI elements :)
Jun 30 09:11:32 <X-Fade> Then start the ar app.
Jun 30 09:11:32 <wazd> ok, place your bets
Jun 30 09:11:41 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, any command for that?
Jun 30 09:11:47 <MohammadAG> killall lol
Jun 30 09:11:48 <mirr0r> X-Fade, yes exactly, thats how i do it, and it works fine for me
Jun 30 09:11:53 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, haha :D
Jun 30 09:12:09 <MohammadAG> actually
Jun 30 09:12:18 <MohammadAG> I think this is what defines the theme in use GTK2_RC_FILES=/etc/hildon/theme/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
Jun 30 09:12:27 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, the hildon seems to cache images stupidly so that not all elements are refreshed after switching from the to another.
Jun 30 09:12:29 <MohammadAG> it's in the environment variable
Jun 30 09:12:31 <andrenarchy> X-Fade: doesnt work... segfault in console
Jun 30 09:12:59 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, killall hildon-desktop hildon-status-menu systemui
Jun 30 09:13:02 <MohammadAG> did I miss anything?
Jun 30 09:13:32 <andrenarchy> same prob (post by marcus): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56327&page=3
Jun 30 09:13:41 <andrenarchy> but no solution ;)
Jun 30 09:13:45 <X-Fade> andrenarchy: Are you running PR1.2?
Jun 30 09:13:48 <andrenarchy> yes
Jun 30 09:13:48 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, anything from the SDK team on perl-modules? I need it for frozen-bubble :)
Jun 30 09:14:16 <wazd> http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ <- ehehe, they've changed May to June and July :D
Jun 30 09:14:20 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Discussion is still going on.
Jun 30 09:14:37 <andrenarchy> hey now it works... i changed nothing
Jun 30 09:14:39 <wazd> lazy designers
Jun 30 09:14:53 <andrenarchy> seems to be a bug...
Jun 30 09:15:27 <lcuk> D-Iivili_Work, do those dialog boxes come up if somebody installs the theme from console?
Jun 30 09:15:55 <MohammadAG> lcuk, zenity, so it should
Jun 30 09:16:01 <MohammadAG> s/it/they
Jun 30 09:16:02 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: It is a lot harder to get things updated in SSU repos than in SDK.
Jun 30 09:16:06 <lcuk> you should install and use default stable (not changing transitions/any color)
Jun 30 09:16:21 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, why not just use extras for it?
Jun 30 09:16:33 <lcuk> it shouldnt come up!
Jun 30 09:16:38 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Well, then you get it from a different domain.
Jun 30 09:16:50 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: And thus it will be ignored etc.
Jun 30 09:16:52 <MohammadAG> hmm?
Jun 30 09:17:03 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, you lost me :)
Jun 30 09:17:10 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Package domains.
Jun 30 09:17:20 <lcuk> D-Iivili_Work, it especially shouldnt come up because the theme is not selected.
Jun 30 09:18:07 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: ooooh, pspad worked, thanks :)
Jun 30 09:18:09 <D-Iivili_Work> lcuk, dialogs comes up if one installs it from console also.
Jun 30 09:18:35 <lcuk> what if im not at my touchscreen?
Jun 30 09:18:43 <D-Iivili_Work> lcuck, I thought it's good idea to promt user to select the theme setup also when he installs it.
Jun 30 09:18:48 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it doesn't finish
Jun 30 09:18:51 <D-Iivili_Work> lcuk, then you're out of luck :)
Jun 30 09:19:04 <Kowalczyk> hi. im having trouble with facebook widget on my n900. it doesnt update. if I get a message and I read it, it still shows that I have one message in facebook widget. have to delete account and add it again to work. what am I doing wrong?
Jun 30 09:19:06 <MohammadAG> lcuk, a lot of apps use a GUI during installation, it sucks but you have to live with it :)
Jun 30 09:19:13 <MohammadAG> (maemo-confirm-test)
Jun 30 09:19:17 <MohammadAG> text*
Jun 30 09:19:20 <lcuk> D-Iivili_Work, thats spam for spams sake.
Jun 30 09:19:35 <lcuk> MohammadAG, i have exactly 1 package currently which does that and for a damned good reason
Jun 30 09:19:49 <lcuk> this is a theme not a security thing (openssh asks for password)
Jun 30 09:19:50 <MohammadAG> lcuk, which is?
Jun 30 09:19:55 <MohammadAG> oh lol
Jun 30 09:19:57 <D-Iivili_Work> lcuk, how come? You set up the theme as you wish at the installation and can also later change your configuration if you want to.
Jun 30 09:20:11 <Kowalczyk> I added the account now when I was offline. now it just says unable to connect to facebook. isnt it supposed to update itself?
Jun 30 09:21:11 * MohammadAG hums
Jun 30 09:21:39 <lcuk> D-Iivili_Work, where do you write the theme preferences to when you request them during install?
Jun 30 09:21:44 <D-Iivili_Work> lcuk, allthough I was warned about some people not liking interactive installer :P But that's just decicion I made.
Jun 30 09:22:21 <D-Iivili_Work> lcuck, I don't write it, the script just copies few folders back and forth which includes different graphics for different scheme.
Jun 30 09:23:00 <D-Iivili_Work> If user messes up the selector or some other bizard error happens, the black -variation is still installed as default and theme will work.
Jun 30 09:23:29 <lcuk> so just do that without messages?
Jun 30 09:23:50 <D-Iivili_Work> do what?
Jun 30 09:24:02 <lcuk> normal install
Jun 30 09:24:14 <D-Iivili_Work> Yeah, it's done before showing the dialogs.
Jun 30 09:25:09 <D-Iivili_Work> And yes, I could comment out the setup wizard but based on other people opinion it's nice to run the seutp script right after installation so user does not have to go under settings etc.
Jun 30 09:26:40 <D-Iivili_Work> But let's wait and see what kind of comments are coming out. It's not big deal to remove the wizard during installation.
Jun 30 09:28:29 <sp3000> timeless_mbp: the screenshot you found for 174101#c13 was not very successful
Jun 30 09:28:48 <sp3000> what with the misleading annotations it has
Jun 30 09:30:19 <timeless_mbp> ...
Jun 30 09:30:34 <timeless_mbp> i'm going to talk to a release manager about using a very sturdy cluebat
Jun 30 09:30:42 <timeless_mbp> i spoke to tomasz this morning
Jun 30 09:30:48 <timeless_mbp> i'm just avoiding going to work
Jun 30 09:33:04 <timeless_mbp> are you planning on coming in early?
Jun 30 09:49:24 <D-Iivili_Work> Btw. Why ain't my changes being shown at package view page: http://maemo.org/packages/view/black-plastic-theme/
Jun 30 09:49:40 * sp3000 is here
Jun 30 09:49:46 <D-Iivili_Work> While other packages have the section: http://maemo.org/packages/view/hildon-theme-marina/
Jun 30 09:51:09 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: what changes are you expecting to show up?
Jun 30 09:52:12 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: oh the changelog you mean? Well did you write a changelog?
Jun 30 09:52:19 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, well everything I've typed in changelog -file?
Jun 30 09:53:23 <D-Iivili_Work> This is what the changelog -file looks like: http://www.pastie.org/1024774
Jun 30 09:54:38 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: peculiar.
Jun 30 09:55:25 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, peculiar?
Jun 30 09:56:13 <D-Iivili_Work> Same "issue" has bothered me since the first package I've ever uploaded to extras autobuilder. I have never seen the changes on package view -page :-P
Jun 30 09:56:17 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: well yes. since the changelogs look fine they should show up, afaict.
Jun 30 09:56:23 <D-Iivili_Work> Not that it's important, just wondering.
Jun 30 09:57:01 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: apparently there's something wrong there. are you using dch to change the changelog?
Jun 30 09:57:13 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, don't know :D
Jun 30 09:57:36 <mece> how do you edit the changelog then?
Jun 30 09:57:49 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, using leafpad
Jun 30 09:58:06 <mece> k.. on device?
Jun 30 09:58:13 <D-Iivili_Work> withing ubuntu
Jun 30 09:58:22 <mece> and how do you create the package?
Jun 30 09:58:24 <D-Iivili_Work> not inside scratchbox
Jun 30 09:58:33 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, upload source to the autobuilder
Jun 30 09:58:44 <mece> how do you make the source
Jun 30 09:58:50 <mece> file
Jun 30 09:59:12 <D-Iivili_Work> :D Using this template: http://gitorious.org/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/commits/master
Jun 30 09:59:13 <MohammadAG> dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S
Jun 30 09:59:26 <D-Iivili_Work> Other theme creators are using the same template and they have the changes visible just fine.
Jun 30 09:59:38 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, I have used dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S
Jun 30 09:59:51 <D-Iivili_Work> Because that's what extras assistant is telling to use o_O
Jun 30 09:59:53 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, same, but I don't use -sa
Jun 30 10:00:08 <MohammadAG> -sa creates a diff file against the orig source for package
Jun 30 10:00:18 <MohammadAG> for some reason, I hate those
Jun 30 10:00:32 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, ok ok. Will try that next time :)
Jun 30 10:00:32 <MohammadAG> although that's the proper thing to do
Jun 30 10:01:00 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, if you started making (programming) the source then it doesn't really matter what you use :)
Jun 30 10:01:08 <mece> i use -sn too
Jun 30 10:01:31 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, I see :) (did guick googling about those switches)
Jun 30 10:01:43 <D-Iivili_Work> Thanks for the tip :)
Jun 30 10:01:48 <D-Iivili_Work> (again!)
Jun 30 10:01:58 <MohammadAG> :)
Jun 30 10:02:00 <mece> does the .changes file look good after you've built the package then?
Jun 30 10:02:14 <D-Iivili_Work> I really need to make a keyboard shortcut for thanking MohammadAG...
Jun 30 10:02:20 <MohammadAG> rofl
Jun 30 10:02:22 <mece> hevikaraoke ftw :D
Jun 30 10:02:48 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, it looks like this: http://www.pastie.org/1024783
Jun 30 10:02:54 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, hehe, thanks :)
Jun 30 10:03:08 * mece was referring yo D-Iivili_Work's email address
Jun 30 10:03:42 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, yeah.. hevikaraoke (and heavykaraoke) is something I've been involved with since the beginning of it.
Jun 30 10:04:52 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: will I see you in kaisaniemi this weekend?
Jun 30 10:05:06 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, noup.
Jun 30 10:05:23 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, I'm in studio with Force Majeure doing some final backing vocals for the new album...
Jun 30 10:05:29 <mece> changes file looks fine too. Perhaps X-Fade has some explanation for the missing changelogs..
Jun 30 10:06:23 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: nice :) when's it out?
Jun 30 10:06:30 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, when it's done :D
Jun 30 10:06:41 <MohammadAG> glade looks interesting
Jun 30 10:07:00 <mece> MohammadAG, glade as in... gtk glade?
Jun 30 10:07:04 <MohammadAG> yeah
Jun 30 10:07:51 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, really don't have release date yet since we terminated the record deal with the company which published the first one. So now we're in situation where we have the album almost done but not yet releaser for it :D
Jun 30 10:08:04 <D-Iivili_Work> But if nothing comes up we shall release it by ourselves I think.
Jun 30 10:08:16 <MohammadAG> does the N900's stock kernel support IPv6?
Jun 30 10:08:28 <pahartik> MohammadAG: No
Jun 30 10:08:29 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, I heard it's disabled
Jun 30 10:08:41 * MohammadAG gets rid of the dialog for that
Jun 30 10:08:55 <mece> MohammadAG, no, iir
Jun 30 10:08:59 <mece> c
Jun 30 10:10:12 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: your description field needs a line feed and a space
Jun 30 10:11:16 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, in control -file?
Jun 30 10:11:32 <mece> ya
Jun 30 10:11:46 <mece> wairt
Jun 30 10:11:46 <mece> wait
Jun 30 10:12:02 <D-Iivili_Work> This is the current control -file: http://www.pastie.org/1024799
Jun 30 10:14:06 <mece> ok hold on
Jun 30 10:15:32 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: like this: http://www.pastie.org/1024802
Jun 30 10:15:58 <mece> that will make the first line the "headline" and the next lines the description.
Jun 30 10:16:11 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, so I should start the description right after the : -mark? okay then
Jun 30 10:16:34 <mece> D-Iivili_Work: yeah, and the first line will be bold on maemo.org
Jun 30 10:16:34 <D-Iivili_Work> cool, got ya. Should I still use the -sn swithch while creating the source?
Jun 30 10:16:41 <mece> like here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/qlister/
Jun 30 10:16:58 <alterego> D-Iivili_Work: get my thing to compile and work alright?
Jun 30 10:17:01 <mece> "Qlister is a very simple shopping list application." is the first line and the rest is the second line
Jun 30 10:17:36 <alterego> timeless_mbp: doesn't like full sentences on the first description line :P
Jun 30 10:17:43 <D-Iivili_Work> alterego, well.. never got the one that I built working so I just used the one built by you :D
Jun 30 10:17:56 <mece> now I need to go. I hope that the changes will appear one day D-Iivili_Work. And that you get your album released ;)
Jun 30 10:18:06 <alterego> Heh
Jun 30 10:18:13 <D-Iivili_Work> mece, cheers and thanks for help :)
Jun 30 10:18:51 <D-Iivili_Work> alterego, but whenever I get mine working I'll switch to it :D
Jun 30 10:18:53 <MohammadAG> alterego, I hate them too :P
Jun 30 10:19:00 <MohammadAG> I hate scrolling sideways
Jun 30 10:20:42 <alterego> 2.6k downloads, :) Thass pretty cool :)
Jun 30 10:21:00 <D-Iivili_Work> alterego, where?
Jun 30 10:21:06 <alterego> 0 donations though, albeint 0.4 with the donate button isn't in extras for another week.
Jun 30 10:21:16 <D-Iivili_Work> alterego, which app?
Jun 30 10:21:21 <BCMM> alterego: what is the app?
Jun 30 10:21:31 <alterego> My "Media IM Status Updater" app
Jun 30 10:22:43 <alterego> Now, what to do today, continue working on my GPS GLES app, or find a job ....
Jun 30 10:24:07 <D-Iivili_Work> alterego, haa, cool :) Too bad I hardly ever listen music with N900 that I'd like to share with people :P
Jun 30 10:24:19 <BCMM> alterego: as in, a 3d gps app?
Jun 30 10:24:31 <BCMM> alterego: you're writing a google-earth style thing for tiny screens?
Jun 30 10:24:41 <alterego> no, not exactly.
Jun 30 10:25:04 <alterego> Actually, not at all, I wont be doing any mapping functionaility to begin with.
Jun 30 10:25:16 <BCMM> so what does it do?
Jun 30 10:25:24 <BCMM> or will it do
Jun 30 10:25:31 <alterego> Have you ever used a proper handheld GPS like a garminn?
Jun 30 10:25:49 <BCMM> no
Jun 30 10:25:53 <BCMM> oh
Jun 30 10:25:55 <BCMM> no
Jun 30 10:25:55 <mirf> has chromium been removed from extras-devel ?
Jun 30 10:25:59 <BCMM> i've use a car satnav
Jun 30 10:26:02 <D-Iivili_Work> mirf, while ago.
Jun 30 10:26:05 <BCMM> and i've used various n900 apps
Jun 30 10:26:05 <alterego> Oh, well you probably wont get it then :)
Jun 30 10:26:29 <mirf> D-Iivili_Work: howcome?
Jun 30 10:26:34 <BCMM> but i presume a handheld gps is not the same thing as a garmin car satnav
Jun 30 10:26:46 <BCMM> alterego: don't those things have a compass?
Jun 30 10:26:53 <D-Iivili_Work> mirf, it was a complicated case. There was / is topic @ tmo somewhere
Jun 30 10:27:10 <D-Iivili_Work> mirf, I suppose it was some copyrights stuff
Jun 30 10:27:12 <alterego> Basically, it'll have several "screens" and widgets for displaying GPS info, track logs, trip functions like average speed, reset etc. Waypoints, track logl.
Jun 30 10:27:22 <alterego> BCMM: it will have a compass yes.
Jun 30 10:27:38 <BCMM> alterego: the n900 doesn't have a compass
Jun 30 10:27:55 * MohammadAG starts a discussion, does compiling cause global warming cause of increased heat output
Jun 30 10:27:56 <MohammadAG> xD
Jun 30 10:28:01 <mirf> D-Iivili_Work: d'oh! feckin google
Jun 30 10:28:03 <alterego> BCMM: wither do a lot of the GPS' I'm talking about, you get bearing as you move.
Jun 30 10:28:04 <mirf> nevermind
Jun 30 10:28:22 <D-Iivili_Work> Go MohammadAG!
Jun 30 10:28:37 <BCMM> alterego: so what are you doing that, say, the navigation screen of GPXView doesn't do?
Jun 30 10:28:39 <mirf> I bet the deb is still floating abuot somewhere
Jun 30 10:28:56 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, I think compiling only helps to warm up the room @ winter
Jun 30 10:29:09 <alterego> BCMM: I don't know, I've not used GPXView, do you have a screenshot? :)
Jun 30 10:29:12 <_0x47> Can we make MeeGo being Debian based?
Jun 30 10:29:18 <pupnik> getting used to the keyboard mirf?
Jun 30 10:29:21 <alterego> BCMM: OpenGL ES? :)
Jun 30 10:29:30 <D-Iivili_Work> mirf, hopefully. I just tried to build it (I have the source) but I didn't success with it...
Jun 30 10:29:41 <MohammadAG> yay
Jun 30 10:29:51 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, shame it's not winter eh? :p
Jun 30 10:29:52 <mirf> yeah pupnik it's fine
Jun 30 10:30:04 <mirf> my only problem is seeing the screen in bright lights
Jun 30 10:30:32 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, well it's cold here in Finland anyways. Winter or not :D
Jun 30 10:30:36 <D-Iivili_Work> mirf, join the club ;)
Jun 30 10:30:39 <BCMM> alterego: gpxview shows you a circle with the direction to your destination and points of the compass on, and orients it according to your direction of motion
Jun 30 10:30:40 <alterego> Anyhow, I need to shower, bbiab
Jun 30 10:30:50 <BCMM> alterego: yeah, where does opengl come into this?
Jun 30 10:30:56 <alterego> BCMM: yes, I'll have that too.
Jun 30 10:30:59 <alterego> And more.
Jun 30 10:31:39 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, well I don't live in england now do I :P
Jun 30 10:31:51 <BCMM> alterego: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpxview/
Jun 30 10:32:03 <BCMM> alterego: middle screenshot at the bottom
Jun 30 10:32:58 <BCMM> alterego: and AGTL does the same thing, plus showing the direction of the sun so you can orient yourself when stationary
Jun 30 10:33:05 <mirf> http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/ looks like it should be OK
Jun 30 10:33:36 <BCMM> alterego: (both are integrated geocaching tools, allowing you to select a cache and navigate to it with a handheld-GPS style interface)
Jun 30 10:35:00 <alterego> BCMM: yeah, that's basically, some of what I'll have, I'm going to have other displays too. Also my dad requested an average speed tool, where you can reset your average speed so he can keep track of it whilst passing through those average speed cameras :)
Jun 30 10:35:36 <alterego> BCMM: It's the beginning of my own GPS app, which will probably end up having a 3D map using SRTM data.
Jun 30 10:35:37 <BCMM> alterego: so what is the opengl for? 3d effects, or just accelerating 2d rendering for smoothness?
Jun 30 10:35:47 <alterego> 3D effects.
Jun 30 10:35:54 <BCMM> ah, i see
Jun 30 10:35:59 <D-Iivili_Work> alterego, flames and explosions?
Jun 30 10:36:04 <alterego> Making my interface look like the tits basically :)
Jun 30 10:36:05 <BCMM> isn't SRTM pretty low-res?
Jun 30 10:36:10 <alterego> Exactly,
Jun 30 10:36:13 <Jaffa> mirf: D-Iivili_Work: the council is trying to set up a dialogue between jacekowski and Red Bend so we can upload it again without them getting upset
Jun 30 10:36:14 <D-Iivili_Work> cool!
Jun 30 10:36:23 <BCMM> alterego: that would be... distracting when driving
Jun 30 10:36:33 <mirf> that's great Jaffa
Jun 30 10:36:45 <D-Iivili_Work> alterego, remember to make the boobs bouncing based on accelometer!
Jun 30 10:36:52 <alterego> "You have reached your destination" notification which explodes onto the screen like a nuclear bomb.
Jun 30 10:37:19 <D-Iivili_Work> alterego, with sound fx ofcourse ;)
Jun 30 10:37:19 <alterego> BCMM: we're joking. It will just look cooler, it wont be action filmy :P
Jun 30 10:37:23 <mirf> boobs
Jun 30 10:38:08 <BCMM> w00t
Jun 30 10:38:13 <alterego> If enough people donate on my media im status updater app, I'm going to get Samual L Jackson to do my voice nav and Mr T.
Jun 30 10:38:19 <w00t_> yes?
Jun 30 10:38:26 * BCMM facepalms
Jun 30 10:38:35 <MohammadAG> w00t_, nothing, some people have a w00t button
Jun 30 10:38:43 <alterego> Heh
Jun 30 10:38:43 <BCMM> a w00t button? why?
Jun 30 10:38:56 <MohammadAG> to `w00t` I guess?
Jun 30 10:39:06 <w00t_> :(
Jun 30 10:39:09 <D-Iivili_Work> w00t -button :D
Jun 30 10:39:10 <BCMM> alterego: is a "media im status updater" a "X is now listening to Y" app?
Jun 30 10:39:50 <alterego> BCMM: it is indeed :)
Jun 30 10:39:53 <BCMM> alterego: can i set up a rival donate button to pay you not to develop it?
Jun 30 10:40:01 <BCMM> ;)
Jun 30 10:40:14 <alterego> Useless, but I learned a lot about mafw and telepathy doing it.
Jun 30 10:40:36 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jun 30 10:40:40 <alterego> And it's part of my, "Integrated N900 services to make the N900 cooler" fetish.
Jun 30 10:40:47 <MohammadAG> what if someone edits an app's source and links to their paypal instead
Jun 30 10:41:01 <alterego> MohammadAG: have you done this? :P
Jun 30 10:41:04 * MohammadAG will be right back
Jun 30 10:41:09 <alterego> you son-of-a-bitch :P
Jun 30 10:41:10 <MohammadAG> nah, imma test it now
Jun 30 10:41:28 * MohammadAG downloads the source
Jun 30 10:41:52 <alterego> I swear to god, if you upload that and promote it I will continually thumb it down to hell :P
Jun 30 10:42:11 <MohammadAG> but it will stay there
Jun 30 10:42:21 <MohammadAG> most users have -devel enabled anyways
Jun 30 10:42:22 <MohammadAG> xDDD
Jun 30 10:42:25 <alterego> Or my version 1.0 will actually be version 65355
Jun 30 10:42:41 <MohammadAG> I'll set up a script to bump version number
Jun 30 10:42:45 <D-Iivili_Work> OMG! Boss just came and told that I should do some real work also o_O
Jun 30 10:42:56 <RST38h> -devel is the new extras, indeed
Jun 30 10:42:58 <alterego> Heh
Jun 30 10:43:00 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 30 10:43:01 <D-Iivili_Work> I guess I must do as told :-D
Jun 30 10:43:08 <MohammadAG> yes, more themes
Jun 30 10:43:12 <D-Iivili_Work> Haha :D
Jun 30 10:43:31 <MohammadAG> hmm, I wonder how I could add the hildon gtk screenshot thingy
Jun 30 10:43:36 <D-Iivili_Work> Well.. I HAVE been doing my open tasks also. I'm just so fast :P
Jun 30 10:43:42 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 30 10:43:51 <D-Iivili_Work> Anyways, see you after 30mins or so.
Jun 30 10:43:57 <MohammadAG> what's the SNES emulator called again?
Jun 30 10:43:59 <alterego> Anyway, shower time, bbiab
Jun 30 10:44:00 <MohammadAG> I need the source lol
Jun 30 10:44:05 * alterego wanders off
Jun 30 10:44:05 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, alterego cya
Jun 30 11:02:12 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: have you faced that bug that clock application icon overlay has no alpha channel?
Jun 30 11:02:27 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, how does that occur?
Jun 30 11:03:08 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: well, if you have possibility - try latest Marina
Jun 30 11:03:22 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: media player and clock
Jun 30 11:03:27 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, give me a sec. Will download it.
Jun 30 11:03:53 <D-Iivili_Work> Will report back in 10 mins...
Jun 30 11:03:57 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: basically clock always show black rectangle
Jun 30 11:04:13 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: when media player shows nice semi-transparency
Jun 30 11:04:35 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, those are not same icon used for overlay.
Jun 30 11:05:00 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: I know
Jun 30 11:05:04 <D-Iivili_Work> hold on
Jun 30 11:05:14 <nas_> is there any way that I can see the bluetooth signal % on n900 ? I mean I have my bluetooth hands free connected , and I would like to make a widget that alarms me if the hands free has low signal ..
Jun 30 11:05:47 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: mediaplayer and package manager overlay is held within mediaplayer template
Jun 30 11:05:56 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, yeah
Jun 30 11:07:24 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, I see the problem now. Haven't ever paid any attention. I'll testi with some of my themes and see if I have the same problem. Just a sec.
Jun 30 11:09:32 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: well, as I see it occurs everywhere
Jun 30 11:10:10 <D-Iivili_Work> Maybe it's because you have black color on the area where you should have the alpha channell color?
Jun 30 11:10:34 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: no :)
Jun 30 11:11:13 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: I guess that's because whole maemo 5 theming is made with left foot :D
Jun 30 11:11:14 <D-Iivili_Work> seems like my an-DROID theme is suffering from the same issue also.
Jun 30 11:11:24 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, word!
Jun 30 11:11:26 <D-Iivili_Work> :D
Jun 30 11:12:01 <D-Iivili_Work> Now let me extract the deb file and see if it's in png -file itself or the clock app...
Jun 30 11:13:27 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: I can bet it's the clock app :)
Jun 30 11:14:46 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, yep, it's the clock app. Your png is fine when it's extracted from deb.
Jun 30 11:14:50 <kwtm> Hi! need help with flashing. Yesterday I flashed the firmware (due to hanging at infinite loop during bootup), but I still did not get a functioning n900.
Jun 30 11:15:04 <kwtm> So, on the advice of IRC members here, I will be flashing the eMMC also.
Jun 30 11:15:16 <D-Iivili_Work> wazd, solution => use black background on clock app :D
Jun 30 11:16:03 <kwtm> The wiki advises "do not reboot between flashing firmware and flashing eMMC; "i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end!"  But I already used "-R" during firmware flashing.  Does that mean I should reflash the firmware?
Jun 30 11:16:44 <X-Fade> kwtm: Actually flashing takes less time than asking :)
Jun 30 11:17:05 <kwtm> X-Fade: I appreciate that it can seem that way from your viewpoint as someone already experienced, but that is not true.
Jun 30 11:17:20 <kwtm> X-Fade: You forget about the time taken to download the eMMC image (2 hours).
Jun 30 11:17:31 <X-Fade> kwtm: You need to download that anyway.
Jun 30 11:17:39 <X-Fade> And get a better connection while you are at it ;)
Jun 30 11:17:48 <X-Fade> But that is besides the point.
Jun 30 11:18:01 <kwtm> X-Fade: Also, since flashing the wrong way can brick the n900, I would like to take the time to go over everything before I do the actual action, to make sure I understand everything.
Jun 30 11:18:17 <X-Fade> kwtm: You already have a brick.
Jun 30 11:18:37 <X-Fade> kwtm: It won't brick as in 'can't recover'.
Jun 30 11:18:45 <kwtm> For example, the wiki at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware SEEMS to cover everything, but does not actually state when to connect the USB to the n900.  I presume this is before flashing, but would want to make sure.
Jun 30 11:19:14 <kwtm> X-Fade: Also, since I can still recover by rebooting while pressing the "u" key to start in USB mode, it is not yet bricked.
Jun 30 11:19:51 <X-Fade> kwtm: So what is the problem then?
Jun 30 11:20:34 <kwtm> X-Fade: It is not true that it won't "brick as in 'can\'t recover'", since the definition of "brick" is "completely useless and can't recover".  See also http://noknok.tv/2010/05/26/nokia-n900-firmware-update-pr1-2-v10-2010-19-1/ for an example of someone who is unable to reboot in USB mode and has completely bricked his device (unable to reflash).
Jun 30 11:20:42 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: well, yeah :)
Jun 30 11:20:58 <wazd> D-Iivili_Work: actually nokia devs used that sullution for real :D
Jun 30 11:21:02 <kwtm> X-Fade: You might as well say, "It only takes a second to press the Enter key, after having typed the reflashing command."
Jun 30 11:21:10 <wazd> solution*
Jun 30 11:21:12 <X-Fade> kwtm: That really is something you can't trigger even when you tried to.
Jun 30 11:21:49 <kwtm> X-Fade: So, my problem is: I would like to verify that it's okay to have used the "-R" parameter to flash the firmware when the wiki states NOT to use the "-R" parameter when reflashing the firmware and the eMMC one after another.
Jun 30 11:21:55 <X-Fade> kwtm: With normal use, you really can't brick it.
Jun 30 11:22:10 <X-Fade> kwtm: If you flash both, only use -R on the last one.
Jun 30 11:22:14 <kwtm> X-Fade: I understand that with normal use, you don't even get an infinite loop during boot-up.  However, mine does.
Jun 30 11:22:38 <wazd> http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/apple-hiring-iphone-antenna-engineers-for-some-reason/ :D
Jun 30 11:22:44 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:]
Jun 30 11:22:47 <kwtm> X-Fade: Okay, thank you for answering.  So, I have used the "-R" command while flashing the firmware (as advised by the web page), so it looks like I will have to reflash the firmware without the "-R" command, then.
Jun 30 11:23:00 <kwtm> Will reflash firmware again, then flash the eMMC content.
Jun 30 11:23:11 <wazd> they've killed the previous ones :D
Jun 30 11:23:26 <kwtm> I'm glad I took the time to ask rather than reflashing "in less time than it takes to ask".
Jun 30 11:23:43 <X-Fade> kwtm: Btw, what OS do you flash from?
Jun 30 11:25:14 * Summer [W2I=000:u:0:000:]
Jun 30 11:25:21 <kwtm> Oh, another question: it says "make sure n900 is fully charged before flashing", but if I am unable to boot up, is there another way to check the battery state of my n900?  Or do I need to charge for an hour just to make sure?
Jun 30 11:25:29 <Summer> Hallo to everybody
Jun 30 11:25:44 <kwtm> X-Fade: output of "uname -a" is Linux host 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 22:02:19 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
Jun 30 11:26:03 <X-Fade> kwtm: I never had to press 'u' when flashing from linux.
Jun 30 11:26:10 <X-Fade> kwtm: And I flash a lot ;)
Jun 30 11:26:55 <Summer> sorry for my question, is there a channal where I can ask for help about Web2Irc?
Jun 30 11:27:06 <X-Fade> kwtm: just start flasher, wait until it starts waiting for a device and connect USB.
Jun 30 11:27:20 <kwtm> X-Fade: I'm not sure how that is related to me.  I have been following the wiki at "http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware" (which, incidentally, says use "-R" when flashing firmware), and it says press "u" to flash.  Is there a problem if I press the "u" key to boot up in USB flashing mode?  Should I not do it?
Jun 30 11:27:26 <D-Iivili_Work> X-Fade, I've always first connected the phone and then hit the enter
Jun 30 11:27:48 <X-Fade> D-Iivili_Work: Connecting USB starts up the phone.
Jun 30 11:28:01 <Summer> is there sombody reading me?
Jun 30 11:28:04 <D-Iivili_Work> kwtm, you know you don't have to "boot" the phone? Just turn off the device, press the u-key and connect the cable
Jun 30 11:28:06 <lcuk> kwtm, if the flasher goes through its processes when you press the U key then continue using that mechanism
Jun 30 11:28:08 <X-Fade> D-Iivili_Work: So with device off and flasher running, you don't need to push a button ;)
Jun 30 11:28:11 <lcuk> Summer, sure we can see you
Jun 30 11:28:11 <D-Iivili_Work> Summer, yes
Jun 30 11:28:16 <Summer> thanks
Jun 30 11:28:22 <lcuk> please direct irc related questions to #freenode :)
Jun 30 11:28:29 <D-Iivili_Work> X-Fade, push what button?
Jun 30 11:28:34 <X-Fade> power
Jun 30 11:28:36 <Summer> thanks lcuk
Jun 30 11:28:44 <X-Fade> or u for that matter.
Jun 30 11:28:50 <D-Iivili_Work> X-Fade, I never touched the power button
Jun 30 11:28:58 <lcuk> fancy a coffee X-Fade? :)
Jun 30 11:29:05 <kwtm> D-Iivili_Work: when I say boot, I mean turn on the phone (it is stuck in the boot process anyway).
Jun 30 11:29:07 * lcuk just put kettle on
Jun 30 11:29:11 <X-Fade> lcuk: Nah, over 30 degrees here.
Jun 30 11:29:15 <lcuk> eep
Jun 30 11:29:20 <kwtm> lcuk: I think I will follow your advice.
Jun 30 11:29:45 <D-Iivili_Work> kwtm, do not press the power button. Press the u-key and stick in the USB Cable and hold U pressed until you see Nokia logo and usb-icon on the top right corner.
Jun 30 11:30:20 <X-Fade> D-Iivili_Work: I really never have to do that.
Jun 30 11:30:26 * lcuk has his own flashing ritual but if you already have a way that works
Jun 30 11:30:29 <D-Iivili_Work> Apparently it does not matter if you start the flasher before or after connecting the cable
Jun 30 11:31:02 <D-Iivili_Work> X-Fade, I guess I'll test your method next time I have to reflash :P
Jun 30 11:31:04 * lcuk places sacrificial battery into the alter whilst the EEPROM god waits patiently
Jun 30 11:31:06 <kwtm> D-Iivili_Work: Yes, that is what I did.  However, X-Fade says that there is no need to press the U key. I believe that there is no problem caused by pressing the U key and plan to do it again, but I just wanted to clarify that he did not mean "you should NOT press the U key".  Otherwise I am not sure why he is telling me that he does not need to press the U key; it seems extraneous info at this point and I just want to reset my phone since
Jun 30 11:31:08 <kwtm> Nokia does not provide a hard reset button.
Jun 30 11:31:21 <D-Iivili_Work> (which I hopefully won't have to do since it costs me every time a single SMS...)
Jun 30 11:31:35 <X-Fade> kwtm: No, pressing U is not harming.
Jun 30 11:31:51 <lcuk> kwtm, no, the U key method is good and is not causing your issue
Jun 30 11:32:01 <X-Fade> kwtm: It is just not needed when using the sequence I told you, but if you connect the cable first, then you need to press U.
Jun 30 11:32:10 <X-Fade> So the bootloader knows you need usb mode.
Jun 30 11:32:17 <lcuk> that part at least if you were doing it wrong, the flasher would simply refuse to transmit its data
Jun 30 11:32:50 <X-Fade> In the end, if the flasher flashed your device, you did it the right way :)
Jun 30 11:33:13 <kwtm> X-Fade: Okay, I'll just go by what it says in the wiki; as someone said yesterday, "It is very clear in the wiki" (actually not really, but I would rather get my device working than argue about it)
Jun 30 11:33:35 <X-Fade> kwtm: It is a wiki, improve if you think you have found issues that need correcting :)
Jun 30 11:34:20 <kwtm> X-Fade: Yes, I plan to do that after I get my n900 working. The fact that the wiki is editable does not mean that it is infallible, as some members of this channel seem to think when someone of less experience comes to ask for help.
Jun 30 11:35:29 <lcuk> kwtm, nothing we humans do is foolproof, however the information in that wiki has helped many many people through the process.
Jun 30 11:36:48 <kwtm> lcuk: Yes, I do appreciate that, and your help too, lcuk.  However, I do find it intimidating that some people say, "Well, it's very clearly stated in the wiki" (the implication being "you are wasting our time since it already says so in the Wiki").  This was yesterday GMT 1600h (not by any members in this conversation so far).
Jun 30 11:37:07 <kwtm> That's why I like to ask in IRC just to be sure.
Jun 30 11:37:08 <pupnik> picture (humour) "How to correctly hold an Iphone 4" http://ta.gd/f6
Jun 30 11:37:57 <MaikB> Dear Sirs, is PR 1.2 on the N900 able to sync the calender with ovi?
Jun 30 11:37:59 <MaikB> thx
Jun 30 11:38:08 <kwtm> Btw, X-Fade, regarding your advice to get a better connection: at this point it is not up to me.  I am travelling and had been relying on my n900 for computing needs.  I am in a hotel wireless connection and have no say in what sort of internet connection I get.  So I'll set aside your advice to improve my internet connection for now, since it really really doesn't help.  Thanks.
Jun 30 11:38:23 <sx0n> i've heard that apple is hiring experienced antenna engineers.
Jun 30 11:38:32 <lusikka> how long does it take to update from pr1.1 to pr1.2 via Nokia Software Updater?
Jun 30 11:38:42 <X-Fade> kwtm: That is why I added a ':)' and said is was besides the point.
Jun 30 11:39:42 <kwtm> X-Fade: Ah.  Sorry for missing the undertones.  As you can imagine, I am rather distressed at being without a phone and at the fact that it takes a 3-hour download (1 for firmware, 2h for eMMC) to do what another phone would have done by presing the reset button.
Jun 30 11:40:06 <X-Fade> kwtm: Not if your filesystem is corrupted.
Jun 30 11:40:16 <X-Fade> kwtm: Or at least I guess that is what happened.
Jun 30 11:40:23 <MaikB> anyone?
Jun 30 11:41:37 * Yleo [W2I=000:u:0:000:]
Jun 30 11:42:19 <MaikB> meh
Jun 30 11:42:19 <kwtm> Okay, I found another inconsistency in the wiki. If someone could help me through this: it says "When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC."
Jun 30 11:42:25 <MaikB> oh irc room, you fail me
Jun 30 11:42:28 <MaikB> i haz sad
Jun 30 11:42:56 <kwtm> However, in the instrucitons itself, it gives instructions to flash eMMC and then it says at the end "flash the FIASCO image" at the end.
Jun 30 11:43:01 <X-Fade> MaikB: Tried google?
Jun 30 11:43:32 <X-Fade> kwtm: Technically it doesn't matter, _if_ you don't reboot inbetween.
Jun 30 11:43:55 <kwtm> Does this mean I should flash the "FIASCO" firmware image again at the end?  Or I should ignore this instruction to flash firmware at the end?  Or I should ignore instruction to flash firmware first and then eMMC?
Jun 30 11:44:04 <MaikB> x-Fade, what is google?
Jun 30 11:44:05 <MaikB> never heard of it
Jun 30 11:44:10 <X-Fade> As both flash another chip.
Jun 30 11:44:40 <Termana> <MaikB> x-Fade, what is google? <--- THIS. Delete him.
Jun 30 11:44:42 <mirf> http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/06/30/kde4_crashes.jpg
Jun 30 11:44:44 <kwtm> X-Fade: What if I *do* reboot in between? It seems that using the "-R" command as instructed causes a reboot without me realizing it, so I want to make sure I'm not carrying out any other inconsistent instructions without realizing it.
Jun 30 11:45:05 <X-Fade> kwtm: Then you just flash both without rebooting :)
Jun 30 11:45:48 <MohammadAG51> just follow the wiki instructions...
Jun 30 11:45:59 <MohammadAG51> i think someone should lock wiki editing
Jun 30 11:46:03 <MohammadAG51> infobot, flashing
Jun 30 11:46:04 <infobot> it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 30 11:46:17 <vldcnst> ~botsnack
Jun 30 11:46:18 <infobot> thanks, vldcnst
Jun 30 11:46:30 <kwtm> X-Fade: That appears to be a simple instruction, but then why does the wiki give the instruction of using "-R"?  I am afraid of having rebooted, hence my question.  If you could help out a newbie who does not have the same knowledge as you and may inadvertently reboot simply by following wiki instrucitons, that would be appreciated.
Jun 30 11:46:49 <kwtm> Anyway, I think I'll flash firmware and then eMMC, as this seems to be mentioned on several other web pages.
Jun 30 11:46:59 <MaikB> u funny irc ppl
Jun 30 11:47:03 <Termana> kwtm, -R tells it to reboot. Exclude it until you want to reboot (the second command)
Jun 30 11:47:07 <MaikB> I tried google and maemo.org
Jun 30 11:47:15 <kwtm> Termana: Thanks for the info.  Will do so.
Jun 30 11:47:21 <MaikB> Because I dislike the try and error approach
Jun 30 11:47:31 <MaikB> a useless timesink
Jun 30 11:47:39 <MaikB> however
Jun 30 11:47:41 <X-Fade> kwtm: You can also leave out the -R command and remove the battery when done.
Jun 30 11:47:52 <X-Fade> kwtm: But that is a bit of a hassle.
Jun 30 11:47:52 <MohammadAG51> who the f keeps swapping the direction
Jun 30 11:47:54 <MaikB> I gave and and tried to add my device at ovi.com
Jun 30 11:47:56 <MaikB> fail
Jun 30 11:47:59 <MaikB> no n900
Jun 30 11:48:06 <MaikB> oh boy
Jun 30 11:48:24 <ShadowJK> MohammadAG51, dunno, it's pretty annoying wiki "vandalism" for sure
Jun 30 11:48:28 <kwtm> X-Fade: At ths point I am going to just keep to the wiki instructions and not consider alternative methods since it is a lot to process right now.  Thanks.
Jun 30 11:49:00 <MaikB> X-Fade, are there rumors about nokia adding the N900 to the supported deviced for ovi?
Jun 30 11:49:37 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, why did you swap flashing directions?
Jun 30 11:49:44 <X-Fade> MaikB: No idea.
Jun 30 11:49:47 <MaikB> ok
Jun 30 11:49:49 <MohammadAG51> i.e fiasco first emmc next
Jun 30 11:49:50 <MaikB> thx
Jun 30 11:50:31 <pyther> Is there a way to get the alarm clock to not cut off at 30 seconds and repeat more than twice?
Jun 30 11:50:33 <ShadowJK> MohammadAG51, i thought that was proper way
Jun 30 11:50:57 <ShadowJK> since on boot / moves stuff to emmc, so if you wipe emmc you need to flash / too
Jun 30 11:51:07 <MohammadAG51> ShadowJK, he set it to eMMC first then fiasco
Jun 30 11:51:08 <X-Fade> pyther: I always set another alarm one minute later if I really must not miss it.
Jun 30 11:51:16 <X-Fade> pyther: But that is a bit lame.
Jun 30 11:51:23 <kwtm> Okay, I get an error when flashing: "Using flashing protocol Mk II.   SU_PREPARE_DATA_BLOCK_REQ terminated with error code 3"
Jun 30 11:51:43 <X-Fade> kwtm: mmc or firmware?
Jun 30 11:51:47 <kwtm> What do I do now in order to flash properly?  It does not seem to be giving that USB-connection screen.
Jun 30 11:51:56 <D-Iivili_Work> pyther, I remember reading from forum that someone was coding new alarm app that forces you to walk around the room with phone in your hand before alarm shuts down.
Jun 30 11:52:02 <kwtm> X-Fade: Well, I am flashing the firmware first, and then the eMMC.  This seems to hang during the firmware flash.
Jun 30 11:52:14 <nidO> that alarm app's been released, its still in devel though
Jun 30 11:52:43 <mirf> hah awow
Jun 30 11:52:48 <mirf> I'm just installing that now
Jun 30 11:52:51 <mirf> freaky
Jun 30 11:52:58 <X-Fade> Lunch, bbl
Jun 30 11:53:06 <pyther> D-Iivili_Work: ya I saw that I think it is overkill for my needs... I usually get up and leave my phone in place
Jun 30 11:53:06 <mirf> I'd like one that gives you a puzzle to solve
Jun 30 11:53:09 <pyther> I might try it though
Jun 30 11:53:12 <kwtm> Okay, seems to be working.  The key seems to be that I need to turn off the n900 first by holding the power button down for 2 seconds until the device vibrates.
Jun 30 11:53:32 <mirf> same here pyther I tend to be naked when I wake up and don't carry the phone around
Jun 30 11:53:32 <MohammadAG51> ShadowJK, according to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php, it says flash FIASCO first, then eMMC
Jun 30 11:54:02 <MohammadAG51> now i'm pretty sure order doesn't matter, since the device is off eitherways, but it creates some inconsistency
Jun 30 11:54:08 <alterego> Yes, rootfs first, then eMMC
Jun 30 11:54:56 <kwtm> Looks like firmware and eMMC have successfully been flashed, according to my laptop.  Let's hope the n900 boots this time.
Jun 30 11:55:25 <kwtm> I'm guessing that I can disconnect the USB cable once both are flashed?  Or do I need to let n900 boot completely before disconnecting cable?
Jun 30 11:56:02 <kwtm> Hmm, n900 does not seem to be booting.  Will disconnect cable and then try again...
Jun 30 11:56:11 * noobmonk3y blinks
Jun 30 11:56:49 <mirf> hoh
Jun 30 11:56:51 <mirf> FIL
Jun 30 11:56:51 <MohammadAG> frals, you've failed us, I thought noobmonk3y was supposed to be dead
Jun 30 11:57:15 <pyther> Can someone quickly tell me what the command is to gain root access?
Jun 30 11:57:22 <nidO> root
Jun 30 11:57:26 <nidO> or su root
Jun 30 11:57:28 <nidO> or sudo gainroot
Jun 30 11:57:31 <nidO> or a few others
Jun 30 11:57:51 <kwtm> Ahh, with the new firmware, there is a blank screen for about 15 seconds in the boot-up sequence.  Hmm, this could be confusing to a newbie.  I wonder why they did that.
Jun 30 11:57:54 * noobmonk3y laughs :)
Jun 30 11:57:58 * noobmonk3y also blames frals
Jun 30 11:58:19 <pyther> nidO: cheers, but it says "Enable RD mode if you want o break your device"
Jun 30 11:58:21 <kwtm> Hey, it's booting up and has arrived at the welcome screen!
Jun 30 11:58:24 <pyther> How do I do that?
Jun 30 11:58:34 <noobmonk3y> pyther: or enable it if you want to enable it - option number two!
Jun 30 11:58:42 <kwtm> Yea!  I am now successfully reset my n900 and can start using it again!
Jun 30 11:58:46 <nidO> do you actually have rootsh installed or root enabled manually?
Jun 30 11:59:00 <pyther> nidO: I don't have rootsh
Jun 30 11:59:08 <nidO> you need to get it to be able to gain root
Jun 30 11:59:22 <pyther> I installed ssh which i think enable root manually
Jun 30 11:59:26 <pyther> ok, let me install it
Jun 30 11:59:37 <kwtm> It only took 4 days of web surfing, wiki browsing and asking IRC!  (and to think I was complaining about the Palm reset buttons being hard to reach).  Anyway, off to edit the wiki now so hopefully others will have an easier time.
Jun 30 11:59:56 <nidO> didnt you get told exactly how to flash your device like 3 days ago?
Jun 30 12:00:18 <nidO> you're the guy with the second n900 that just stopped booting, right?
Jun 30 12:01:03 * noobmonk3y blames frals for the world shortage of bannanas........
Jun 30 12:01:06 <kwtm> nidO: that was yesteday. Yes, I needed to have a block of time devoted to being able to ask questions and then flash the n900.
Jun 30 12:01:25 <kwtm> (I didn't want to be halfway through flashing and then have to leave for work.)
Jun 30 12:02:11 <kwtm> As I was mentioning to X-Fade, the wiki is not consistent, and "being told exactly how to flash your device" did not quite include all the details, so I needed to ask questions to make sure I didn't brick my device.
Jun 30 12:02:41 <alterego> kwtm: it's very hard to brick an N900.,
Jun 30 12:02:44 <alterego> Even through flashing ,.
Jun 30 12:02:58 <tristan> sounds like a wager
Jun 30 12:03:09 <D-Iivili_Work> tristan, what is a wager?
Jun 30 12:03:14 <kwtm> alterego: as I was mentioning to X-Fade, see "http://noknok.tv/2010/05/26/nokia-n900-firmware-update-pr1-2-v10-2010-19-1/" for an example of someone who bricked the device and was unable to flash through USB.
Jun 30 12:03:27 <mirf> ovi apps aren't maemo are they?
Jun 30 12:03:32 <pyther> Does anyone know if it is possible to get tunctl on the N900?
Jun 30 12:03:40 <pyther> I would like to do a ssh tunnel
Jun 30 12:03:41 <KnightStalker> "<alterego> kwtm: it's very hard to brick an N900.,
Jun 30 12:03:41 <KnightStalker> <alterego> Even through flashing ,.",really?
Jun 30 12:03:43 <KnightStalker> How is that?
Jun 30 12:03:57 <kwtm> alterego: Also, keep in mind that your *knowledge* that "it is very hard to brick a n900" was not available to me anywhere on the web, so I needed to tread very carefully.  It would be a lot easier if it had said on the web, "Don't worry!  You won't bricvk your n900"
Jun 30 12:03:58 <KnightStalker> pyther,use openssh-client instead then?
Jun 30 12:04:27 <kwtm> Anyway, now that the n900 appears to be working, I'll ask another question: can I restore backups from before I flashed the firmware?  Or are those backups now incompatible?
Jun 30 12:04:37 <D-Iivili_Work> kwtm, it's okay. I was a bit scared myself when I first needed to reflash the device :-P
Jun 30 12:04:46 <D-Iivili_Work> kwtm, you can restore the apps
Jun 30 12:04:50 <alterego> kwtm: backups will be fine.
Jun 30 12:05:21 <pyther> KnightStalker: ssh can create a tap device?
Jun 30 12:05:38 <kwtm> alterego, D-Iivili_Work: thanks.  That's good to hear.
Jun 30 12:05:47 <KnightStalker> so one question,if forexample some one steals my mobile then he can just flash to get rid of I am here app?
Jun 30 12:06:00 <KnightStalker> I have lock activated on my n900
Jun 30 12:06:22 <kwtm> Oh, and also: in which directory is the desktop configuration stored?  (e.g. what widgets appear on my n900 desktop).  I guess it's not under /home/user/MyDocs
Jun 30 12:06:51 <kwtm> I did not back this up last time, but would like to start doing so so that I can have a copy on my laptop.  I did get a copy of /home/user/MyDocs already.
Jun 30 12:08:58 <kwtm> D-Iivili_Work: Thank you for your emotional support regarding being a bit scared at your first reflash.  I find it intimidating to reflash, especailly given the (perceived) danger of rendering the n900 useless.
Jun 30 12:09:58 <noobmonk3y> kwtm: bricking a device by flashing is very rare.... ye sthe forums have some stories but i'd say 99.9% are fine!!
Jun 30 12:11:03 <tristan> is there uh. anyone with their batterygraph screens uploaded
Jun 30 12:11:06 <tristan> ill like to see hjow mine does.
Jun 30 12:11:31 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: Yes, I am reassured by this fact. However, do you think that it is rare enough for wiki editors to state on the wiki, "Don't worry, it's rare that you brick your device by reflashing"?  If that is a valid statement, then I'd like to put it in the wiki since this will save a lot of time by newbies who are too worried about the possibility of bricking to carry out instructions they may not understand.
Jun 30 12:12:55 <KnightStalker> ROM files are .rom file right?cuz I downloaded one @ romhustler.net and it was a .bin and .cue file
Jun 30 12:13:26 <noobmonk3y> kwtm: Scare mungering - tis a standard tactic in open source, as when you do something it is your responsibility
Jun 30 12:13:56 <pupnik> it is important to understand that before proceeding
Jun 30 12:13:59 <noobmonk3y> so yes it could be worded differently, its just the same as saying... by living, you will admit to the responsibility you will soon die, harsh.... but true
Jun 30 12:14:12 <noobmonk3y> (By soon - i mean how long is a piece of string)
Jun 30 12:14:23 <kwtm> KnightStalker: Did someone answer your question about reflashing defeating the lock?
Jun 30 12:14:35 <KnightStalker> no
Jun 30 12:14:43 <pupnik> i am trying to avoid ramen just for one day, good lord
Jun 30 12:14:44 <MaikB> well, ermining does the job with google calender, though I would have prefered a nokia solution
Jun 30 12:14:46 <MaikB> too bad
Jun 30 12:15:45 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: I think that is valid to do, but at the same time it means newbies will tread very carefully and double-check and triple-check everything before proceeding, so in that case it does not help to have experts say, "Well, it is very simple; it takes me very little time; everything is clearly explained" since most of the time taken is not with the procedure but with trying to understand everything.
Jun 30 12:17:40 <noobmonk3y> yup agree entirely... not newbie friendly :(  but then neither is something like a re-installation of windows/linux or partitioning.... the same risks apply :) you can brick your pc just as easily, depends... read the risk (Ie bricking) are you willing to try something, that has a minute chance of doing it, if not... then erm, dont do it? if you have no choice, whats the worse evil? a bodged N900 that doesnt work properly or a bri
Jun 30 12:17:45 <kwtm> KnightStalker: It seems, according to what I'm hearing on this channel, that it is very hard to "brick" the device to the point where you can't reflash, so my guess is that I can defeat the lock by reflashing.
Jun 30 12:18:03 <kwtm> KnightStalker: Hey, why don't you tell me where you leave your n900 lying around? :)  (just kidding)
Jun 30 12:18:49 <KnightStalker> well one of my reletives Omnia got stolen 3 days ago when he gone for W.C. :P
Jun 30 12:19:09 <KnightStalker> (in an 5 star hotel)
Jun 30 12:19:10 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: I continue to compare n900 to a phone. So, for example, I would not be so frustrated if, say, I had lost all functionality on the n900 but I could still make phone calls.  But right now there is not even a reset button so I can make calls.
Jun 30 12:19:36 <kwtm> KnightStalker: Wow. :(  That is not good.  What is Omnia?  Smartphone?  Lockable?  Did he get it back?
Jun 30 12:19:41 <noobmonk3y> ahhhhhhh ... interesting comparison... if you use it as a phone and use no other functionality then you will never need to re-flash :P hehe
Jun 30 12:19:57 <pupnik> bingo noobmonk3y
Jun 30 12:20:01 <KnightStalker> Samsung Omnia is smartphone :p and no he didn't get it back ^_^
Jun 30 12:20:02 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: Well, I wanted only phone functionality, and I needed to reflash.
Jun 30 12:20:06 <X-Fade> kwtm: I have never had a phone with a reset button.
Jun 30 12:20:10 <pupnik> well not quite - needs 1.2 for better carrier support
Jun 30 12:20:20 <noobmonk3y> kwtm:  i missed the beginning, what happenned to stop it working as a phone?
Jun 30 12:20:38 <kwtm> X-Fade: You seem to be saying "I have never had a phone with a reset button.  THerefore no one else including you will ever need a phone with a reset butotn, either."
Jun 30 12:20:40 <MaikB> bye
Jun 30 12:20:41 <noobmonk3y> X-Fade: the trusty brick in the back garden works well as a reset button :)
Jun 30 12:20:46 <pupnik> wonder how that open source camera app is coming along
Jun 30 12:20:52 <pupnik> there are a lot of features that should be added
Jun 30 12:20:56 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: My n900 went into an infinite loop on bootup and would not respond.
Jun 30 12:21:02 <X-Fade> kwtm: I'm meaning to say that it is not _that_ common.
Jun 30 12:21:27 <kwtm> X-Fade: I have been using Palms, such as my Treo, which *does* crash from time to time, but then I press the reset button, and at least I get a basic functioning device back.
Jun 30 12:21:35 <noobmonk3y> kwtm: back to the pc part - have you installed anything else other then phone stuff that is slightly computery/linuxy related? - ie something that may have caused it (devel/testing?) - if not then i feel your pain :(
Jun 30 12:21:49 <X-Fade> kwtm: But isn't that the same device that loses all data when the battery is empty?
Jun 30 12:22:00 <X-Fade> kwtm: Meaning that everything is in some sort of RAM?
Jun 30 12:22:09 <kwtm> X-Fade: Also, not many phones will crash.  Presumably the phone is in firmware and is stable enough that it does not crash (say, with a typical smart/dumb phone).
Jun 30 12:22:19 <kwtm> X-Fade: No, that is not the same device,.
Jun 30 12:22:42 <noobmonk3y> X-Fade: good point hehehe :P somedo have reset software options, and some buttons but either way a hardware reset button has as much chance of bricking any other device as a reflash - it just doesnt have a big warning on it (Most likely in the manual)
Jun 30 12:23:08 <X-Fade> Ok, well, MeeGo will have reset capability when using btrfs.
Jun 30 12:23:10 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: All I did was install apps using app manager.  No new repositories (no extras-devel, for example).  The extent of doing "something linuxy" was creating a symlink to /home/user/MyDocs with X-terminal.
Jun 30 12:23:19 <X-Fade> Although that is not available for flash storage atm.
Jun 30 12:23:27 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: It crashed one n900, so I returned it to the store and got another.  THis is my 2nd n900.
Jun 30 12:23:38 <D-Iivili_Work> it indeed would be nice function if you could press some secret key combination while powering the device and it would automaticly re-flash the rootfs and firmware.
Jun 30 12:23:46 <noobmonk3y> kwtm:  :( then i really do feel your pain, and understand the frustration - and also difficulty at getting answers on the first time round - unfortunatley for the un-initiated it can be a bit frustrating :(
Jun 30 12:24:00 <noobmonk3y> kwtm: eeeek, two? :( poooo!!!
Jun 30 12:24:04 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: the second n900 I was watching very carefully to make sure I didn't do anything weird/wonky, but it still crashed.
Jun 30 12:24:07 <noobmonk3y> if it helps, i abuse mine daily and it works like a treat!
Jun 30 12:24:15 <D-Iivili_Work> noobmonk3y, me too :P
Jun 30 12:24:16 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 30 12:24:29 <KnightStalker> Me Tooo!
Jun 30 12:24:32 * noobmonk3y even abused MohammadAG's remotely, and his might still be working
Jun 30 12:24:39 <MohammadAG> I'm surprised mine's working for a month already
Jun 30 12:24:42 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: Thanks for the sympathy.  I also appreciate that you and X-Fade and others are able to use the n900 a lot and not have it crash --I was starting to worry that the n900 was a fragile thing.
Jun 30 12:24:43 <noobmonk3y> lol Mo
Jun 30 12:24:52 <MohammadAG> I've flashed... umm, maybe 26 times?
Jun 30 12:25:06 <noobmonk3y> kwtm: i really just think there has been bad batches :( - learning to reflash is a good thing though :)
Jun 30 12:25:07 <MohammadAG> I lost count, I flashed it 25+ times anyways
Jun 30 12:25:08 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, do you have a sms plan?
Jun 30 12:25:23 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, kind of, why?
Jun 30 12:25:42 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, coz since PR1.2 the device sends the damn sms after reflash...
Jun 30 12:25:50 <kwtm> One might say, "Well, you shouldn't have installed those apps/made those symlinks" or whatever, but with that restriction it is no longer worthwhile to have a n900. :P  So I'm happy that it works for most people.
Jun 30 12:25:51 <D-Iivili_Work> I know, it's not that much, but it's ANNOYING
Jun 30 12:25:59 <noobmonk3y> kwtm: and from my perspective the best thing to do was come in here, the forum can be a bit cluttery - people like X-Fade, lcuk , MohammadAG etc know what they are talking about :)
Jun 30 12:26:09 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, LOL, I haven't flashed it with 1.2
Jun 30 12:26:18 <MohammadAG> my last reflash was 1.2's
Jun 30 12:26:18 <D-Iivili_Work> kwtm, just make backups frequently and keep your usb-cable nearby in case of total crash :)
Jun 30 12:26:25 <MohammadAG> and I hit unsubscribe about 5 times
Jun 30 12:26:26 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: still uses dos on his n900 .... hard core
Jun 30 12:26:43 <MohammadAG> nah, I just purged hildon-desktop and I'm on a console
Jun 30 12:26:44 <MohammadAG> :P
Jun 30 12:26:47 <noobmonk3y> lol
Jun 30 12:26:48 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: It has not been easy.  It is 5am my time; if I come in here during my evenings, the IRC channel is dead.  So I have had to delay reflashing my n900 until I could have a chance to come in here to talk to people and make sure I knew what I was doing.
Jun 30 12:26:53 * noobmonk3y purges frals with a large trout
Jun 30 12:27:07 <MohammadAG> he was badly packaged
Jun 30 12:27:11 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, but once with the N97 I received +100 MyNokia SMS's telling me that new firmware is available.
Jun 30 12:27:12 * MohammadAG cleans up the mess left
Jun 30 12:27:13 <noobmonk3y> ouch, good point - this world-wide thing is tough at time :( -
Jun 30 12:27:25 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, the N97 was a huge fail
Jun 30 12:27:26 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, that really pissed me off. This "one time SMS" is nothing compared to that.
Jun 30 12:27:34 <noobmonk3y> although if you ever get in trouble in here, just scream BACON!
Jun 30 12:27:40 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, and those +100 SMS came within two days!
Jun 30 12:27:40 <kwtm> For example, I tried to flash yesterday (around 0000h GMT) but found that I needed to download the eMMC image also.  I had to leave for work before the download could complete.  So I had to wait until today to reflash and get it working.
Jun 30 12:27:42 <MohammadAG> I considered switching to Samsung
Jun 30 12:27:45 <lcuk> pardon?
Jun 30 12:27:49 <MohammadAG> D-Iivili_Work, how was the bill
Jun 30 12:27:52 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, whats up?
Jun 30 12:27:59 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG51, didn't get charged for those.
Jun 30 12:28:06 <noobmonk3y> kwtm:  see what i mean, one sniff of bacon and lcuk awakes!
Jun 30 12:28:08 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 30 12:28:11 <noobmonk3y> afternoon lcuky
Jun 30 12:28:16 <noobmonk3y> just testing the bat-alarm
Jun 30 12:28:22 <lcuk> heh indeed
Jun 30 12:28:22 <D-Iivili_Work> MohammadAG, I don't get charged for receiving sms's.
Jun 30 12:28:25 <noobmonk3y> good to know it still works :)
Jun 30 12:28:28 <lcuk> how you doin noobmonk3y
Jun 30 12:28:34 <MohammadAG> he's alive
Jun 30 12:28:35 <kwtm> D-Iivili_Work: It looks like the backup app did not back everything up.  For example, the desktop is still a mess and not set up the way I had wanted.  (Why wouldn't it back up something as straightforward as my desktop settings?)
Jun 30 12:28:38 <noobmonk3y> i'm in home-limbo at the mo!
Jun 30 12:28:47 <noobmonk3y> so no puuuter
Jun 30 12:28:56 <lcuk> im eating home made pizza that i just cooked - hence my absense and not saying hello earlier
Jun 30 12:28:57 <D-Iivili_Work> But yeah, N97 was a huge failure. Luckily I had it returned and refunded 100%. Then I went and bought N900 :)
Jun 30 12:29:08 <noobmonk3y> ahhhhh bacon on your pizza?
Jun 30 12:29:13 <kwtm> Which leads to me asking my previous question again: anyone know where the desktop settings are stored, so I can write my own script to back it up?  Looks like the backup manager is less than complete.
Jun 30 12:29:19 <lcuk> kwtm, hmm
Jun 30 12:29:21 <KnightStalker> N97 was failure +1
Jun 30 12:29:29 <noobmonk3y> hmmmm kwtm backup allways backs up all my settings :|
Jun 30 12:29:38 <lcuk> screenshots of "messed up" because backup/restore is something lots of people have put energy into making sure it "just works"
Jun 30 12:30:11 <D-Iivili_Work> KnightStalker, the goddamn GPS just couldn't work.. I even made a video of it since the lady at the Nokia Care didn't beliewe me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDMK_nxaKvg
Jun 30 12:30:15 <kwtm> noobmonk3y: Really?  Okay, maybe I'll just try again... but anyway, just so I can back stuff up to my laptop, do you know where I can find desktop settings?
Jun 30 12:30:15 <D-Iivili_Work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UskvyHv4khU
Jun 30 12:30:40 <KnightStalker> D-livili_Work, Same with my father's GPS
Jun 30 12:30:48 * noobmonk3y hmmmm's - thats kinda where you lose me :(
Jun 30 12:30:57 <lcuk> kwtm, each application stores its backup configuration inside /etc/osso-backup/applications
Jun 30 12:31:08 <lcuk> so you can have a look there and see what you need to do
Jun 30 12:31:09 * noobmonk3y is more a pc kinda person, and most of my linux geeking is brought on by a case of @Mo asks me to do something stupid@
Jun 30 12:31:27 * noobmonk3y re-iterates the bacon point..... Lcuk knows all
Jun 30 12:31:43 <kwtm> lcuk: Thanks!  Will make a script to copy that to /home/user/MyDocs/<some subdir>, and I'll unison that to my laptop.
Jun 30 12:31:48 <lcuk> not everything.
Jun 30 12:31:57 <lcuk> kwtm, read what i said
Jun 30 12:32:03 <neal> What's the difference between /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes and /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_rx_bytes (diff is _home)?
Jun 30 12:32:05 <lcuk> the settings for what is backed up are stored there
Jun 30 12:32:56 <lcuk> and please kwtm i would like to see the "corruption" you have on your desktop
Jun 30 12:34:08 <Corsac> neal: in PR1.2 you can have counters for home and foreign networks
Jun 30 12:34:16 <Corsac> home and roaming, I mean
Jun 30 12:34:38 <neal> are they orthogonal?
Jun 30 12:34:51 <neal> or does gprs_rx_bytes include gprs_home_rx_bytes?
Jun 30 12:34:56 <kwtm> lcuk: Is it necessary, since I am in the process of re-establishing my settings? And is there an easy way to do it?
Jun 30 12:34:57 <Corsac> I don't think so
Jun 30 12:35:03 <Corsac> but I'm not sure
Jun 30 12:35:12 <Corsac> I only saw the meters in the UI
Jun 30 12:35:22 <Corsac> where they're called “home” and “roaming”
Jun 30 12:35:53 <kwtm> lcuk: I am also not sure how a screenshot (I think that's what you're asking) since it looks like an ordinary desktop.  It's just not the desktop settings I had set (for example, the background is stil lthe default background) so I believe that my desktop settings were not saved.
Jun 30 12:36:05 <lcuk> kwtm, its always necessary if you are bitching at the applications thousands of people use without issue :) press shift + ctrl + p to take a photo ( i think)
Jun 30 12:36:28 <neal> Corsac : Which UI?
Jun 30 12:36:33 <lcuk> kwtm, right, so is it possible your backup is from before you made the changes?
Jun 30 12:36:52 <kwtm> lcuk: Okay.  I will make changes to desktop, then backup, then see if changes to desktop are saved.
Jun 30 12:37:01 * lcuk nods 
Jun 30 12:37:02 <lcuk> thanks
Jun 30 12:37:14 <kwtm> lcuk: It's possible that I had backed up before I made changes.  SOrry if it sounded like bitching; it just didn't come out the way I expected.
Jun 30 12:37:31 <kwtm> lcuk: So you are saying that desktop settings *are* saved with backup manager?
Jun 30 12:37:32 <lcuk> okies - most important thing - you are on your desktop
Jun 30 12:37:35 <lcuk> yes
Jun 30 12:37:48 <kwtm> Yes, and thank you to all for guidance given during reflash.
Jun 30 12:38:58 <neal> Corsac : Oh, I found it.  Thanks!
Jun 30 12:39:12 <kwtm> Whew.  Now that my n900 is working, I can talk about all the things I love about it. :)
Jun 30 12:39:20 <KnightStalker> lols
Jun 30 12:39:50 <kwtm> (*AND* now that I know how to reflash if it crashes again, I feel much better.  Will need to get a copy of that firmware/eMMC onto my netbook, too, if I'm not travelling with my usual laptop)
Jun 30 12:40:08 <lcuk> heh i should hope thats not necessary
Jun 30 12:40:13 <alterego> Heh
Jun 30 12:40:15 <lcuk> but keep an eye on what you install
Jun 30 12:40:27 <alterego> I've only reflashed when new firmware comes out
Jun 30 12:40:38 <kwtm> lcuk: Sounds like the n900 crashing is rare... I hope so.  My Treo 650 crashes once a month or so, usually when I am on the phone and on call! :P
Jun 30 12:40:38 <lcuk> and if you do notice something specific that causes such a drastic necessity then let us know and we will investigate :)
Jun 30 12:41:24 <Corsac> you n900 won't last one month
Jun 30 12:41:29 <lcuk> kwtm, its entirely possible to push one single button to forcefully break a system, however that button might involve 3 levels triggered in totally different parts of the system protected by leapords in the basement etc
Jun 30 12:41:38 <Corsac> I'm at like 15 days uptime and it's already dead slow
Jun 30 12:42:09 <lcuk> i dont have high uptime, but i dont have to reboot because of crashes normally
Jun 30 12:42:12 <kwtm> Is there a way to jump to an application without scrolling all the way down in the apps list?  E.g. I want to start Vim but don't want to scroll all the way down.  Can I press "V" to jump to apps that start with "V"?
Jun 30 12:42:37 <lcuk> kwtm, hold down the app icon for ~2seconds and the app launcher menu will open
Jun 30 12:42:37 <kwtm> I am asking because I am using Catorize, and I don't know if the functionality would be there without Catorize.
Jun 30 12:42:43 <lcuk> you can rearrange any icon to anywhere else
Jun 30 12:42:44 <alterego> My uptime is never more than a few days. But I never reboot because of crashes, in fact, I Can't even remember having a crash, except applications, like the web browser crashes maybe once a week or so.
Jun 30 12:43:09 <alterego> Yeah, just no dirs. I use catorise.
Jun 30 12:43:15 <lcuk> ie: press and hold on "camera" and the menu customisation will kick in
Jun 30 12:43:19 <lcuk> and you can do whatever you want
Jun 30 12:43:56 <kwtm> lcuk: Okay.  I put the shortcuts onto my desktop anyway, but just wondering if there's an easy way to launch any program.  I'll just put the common ones on desktop.
Jun 30 12:43:57 <D-Iivili_Work> kwtm, there's also ApFeMo -program
Jun 30 12:44:25 <alterego> You mean ApMeFo ? :P
Jun 30 12:44:29 <kwtm> Corsac: Your n900 slows down, too?  My first n900 slowed down over the course of about 24 hours, and then it crashed, so I hope yours is not doing the same.
Jun 30 12:44:51 <Corsac> nop, but after 10-15 days, it lags really frequently
Jun 30 12:44:58 <kwtm> D-Iivili_Work: What's ApFeMo -program?  Is that a command-line thing to launch programs?
Jun 30 12:45:04 <Corsac> I had to kill hildon-desktop at one point
Jun 30 12:45:15 <tybollt> hmmm usb charging isa true mystery =)
Jun 30 12:45:33 <Corsac> and media player can't be launched too long or it'll render you n900 unusable
Jun 30 12:45:35 <alterego> The only thing I have to do as far as performance is clear the browsing history every few days as it causes auto complete to die horribly ..
Jun 30 12:45:45 <kwtm> Corsac: Question: "hildon-desktop"?  I thought Maemo 5 used Qt4 whereas hildon was a GTK-based system?
Jun 30 12:45:46 <_Lucretia_> can someone tell me what the "-kb" option does in Xephyr? They've removed it from the current version
Jun 30 12:45:52 <alterego> I always have the media player open, no issue there ...
Jun 30 12:46:00 <Corsac> (since OOM won't trigger before swap is full, and it'll be unusable long before that)
Jun 30 12:46:08 <alterego> kwtm: Maemo 5 is Gtk
Jun 30 12:46:08 <Corsac> kwtm: no, M5 uses GTK+
Jun 30 12:47:04 <kwtm> Maemo5 is Gtk???  What's all this I heard about Nokia using Qt4 and Maemo 5 is so kickbuttously awesomeaceous that they had to break compatibility with Maemo 4 to use Qt4?  Hmm... that explains some things I had been reading.
Jun 30 12:47:20 <kwtm> I guess MeeGo is Qt4?
Jun 30 12:47:57 <kwtm> Hey, I LOVE this new firmware that lets me type numbers by holding down the key for longer!  The old way of pressing Shift-Northeastward was so cumbersome.
Jun 30 12:48:22 <mirf> ! for real :D
Jun 30 12:48:25 <mirf> I did not know that
Jun 30 12:48:26 <kwtm> If only I could get the Shift key function by double-tapping the key....
Jun 30 12:48:37 <_Lucretia_> kwtm: maemo 5 is both gtk+ and now qt, they can both be used
Jun 30 12:48:52 <Corsac> but core desktop is still using GTK+
Jun 30 12:48:54 <kwtm> mirf: Yeah, you have to hold down the key for 2 seconds or something really long.  I hope that time delay can be changed.
Jun 30 12:49:14 <kwtm> _Lucretia_: Oh, that's good to know.  I was hoping to do some scripting with PyQt4.
Jun 30 12:49:31 <kwtm> Since I am not actually good enough to program in C++.
Jun 30 12:50:04 <mirf> yeah I'm getting really put off the idea of developing for this platform
Jun 30 12:50:20 <mirf> or at leaset the symbian part...
Jun 30 12:50:40 <_Lucretia_> kwtm: you're not missing much, wrt C++
Jun 30 12:50:51 <kwtm> mirf: ?? What do you mean?  Isn't Symbian on other Nokia phones but has nothing to do with n900?
Jun 30 12:51:23 <_Lucretia_> can someone tell me what the "-kb" option does in Xephyr? They've removed it from the current version
Jun 30 12:52:43 <kwtm> Yea, hurrah for Unison!  Restoring all my docs back onto n900. :)
Jun 30 12:53:20 <kwtm> Oh, FRICK!  Boo to Unison!  It found that all my docs were gone on n900, so it ended up deleting all my docs on the laptop, too. :P
Jun 30 12:53:21 <D-Iivili_Work> Any good tutorials on how to hildonize a gtk -app? I'm thinking of learning some new stuff and starting to hildonize the zenity -package.
Jun 30 12:53:34 <_Lucretia_> ok fuck it, no need to have -kb now then
Jun 30 12:53:44 <kwtm> Good lord, if this weren't so essential, this would actually be funny.
Jun 30 12:54:12 <KnightStalker> kwtm,wow,that was fail
Jun 30 12:54:41 <_Lucretia_> ok, can't start maemo now without the -kb flag
Jun 30 12:54:58 <Lantizia> Hey PR1.2 seems to have appeared OTA for Vodafone users :) Anyone have a copy of it?
Jun 30 12:55:13 <kwtm> KnightStalker: Not just fail.  It was EPIC fail.  "For the times when ordinary failure just isn't enough."  This is unbelievable.
Jun 30 12:55:18 <Lantizia> Or even know what the benefits of a Mobile Network specific firmware is?
Jun 30 12:56:31 <mirf> kwtm: you're probably right, I'm finding the whole thing very confusing as I checked out the ovi dev section and it's all symbian
Jun 30 12:56:46 <mirf> but you can get n900 apps off ovi
Jun 30 12:57:14 <Lantizia> And if I got my N900 directly from Nokia (with 203 firmware) is it a good idea to put 205 (Vodafone) on it?  I am on Vodafone :)
Jun 30 12:57:19 <kwtm> mirf: I haven't tried it yet.  Any worthwhile apps?  There was a form they wanted me to fill (or some agreement or something) and I thought I would defer it till later.
Jun 30 12:57:57 <mirf> yeah you have to sign up
Jun 30 12:58:08 <mirf> there are a fe things on there you can't get from extras
Jun 30 12:58:10 <mirf> *few
Jun 30 12:58:28 <KnightStalker> hmm is it possible to get wine working on N900
Jun 30 12:58:31 <KnightStalker> I just cant do it
Jun 30 12:58:52 <mortini> i' mguessing not.
Jun 30 12:58:53 <X-Fade> KnightStalker: No, wine is not an emulator, so no.
Jun 30 12:59:00 <mirf> maybe in easydebian?
Jun 30 12:59:01 <mortini> since it relies on the x86 chipset
Jun 30 12:59:06 <mirf> ah
Jun 30 12:59:07 <mirf> heh
Jun 30 12:59:10 <lcuk> wow Anna Kournikova considered a granny of tennis
Jun 30 12:59:13 <KnightStalker> yeah tried it in easydebian,fail
Jun 30 12:59:29 <KnightStalker> So no ways to install win32 apps for now?
Jun 30 12:59:31 <kwtm> KnightStalker: That's right!  X-Fade is right: wine just lets windows run on your processor, so you'd need a separate wine-equivalent for the --whatever processor the n900 uses (ARM?) instead of Intel.
Jun 30 12:59:49 <mortini> assuming windows ran on arm :)
Jun 30 13:00:28 <lcuk> Wine is NOT an emulator
Jun 30 13:00:35 <lcuk> did you miss that memo
Jun 30 13:00:47 <Lantizia> You need the wine mixed with qemu project
Jun 30 13:00:58 <Lantizia> Then and only then might you be able to run x86 windows apps on n900
Jun 30 13:01:20 <KnightStalker> qemu?
Jun 30 13:01:47 <KnightStalker> lcuk,then In my second sentence I wasn't talking about wine anymore but about something to do the same thing
Jun 30 13:01:52 <Lantizia> KnightStalker, qemu emulates an x86 processor
Jun 30 13:02:04 <KnightStalker> it is on App manager?
Jun 30 13:02:13 <Lantizia> It's barely working... http://maemoarena.com/2010/05/wine-emulator-running-in-nokia-n900/
Jun 30 13:02:34 <Lantizia> Personally I would put the entire out of your mind
Jun 30 13:02:39 <Lantizia> *idea out
Jun 30 13:02:59 <KnightStalker> but it would be nice =(
Jun 30 13:03:16 <Lantizia> True but the N900 is _not_ a PC
Jun 30 13:03:37 <KnightStalker> its near to one
Jun 30 13:03:38 <KnightStalker> :p
Jun 30 13:06:14 <_Lucretia_> I think it's insane to try to emulate a pc on something like an n900
Jun 30 13:06:30 <Lantizia> It is :) but some people are insane
Jun 30 13:06:44 <KnightStalker> >_>
Jun 30 13:07:12 <KnightStalker> well you guys think its insane,I think its acceptable from what I saw till now from N900
Jun 30 13:07:15 <lcuk> its not insane however to rebuild the open source packages natively for arm etc and run them happily
Jun 30 13:08:07 <Lantizia> I've read however that qemu runs happily and quickly on the N900 - you've only got the emulate the processor after all, nothing else as wine can handle that directly
Jun 30 13:08:41 <_Lucretia_> but emulating the x86 cpu isn't fast, you need a fast machine
Jun 30 13:08:46 <_Lucretia_> you tried running windows on it?
Jun 30 13:08:52 <Lantizia> But it's still putting two extra layers between what is commonly installed on an N900 and the software your running... a virtualization layer and the wine layer
Jun 30 13:09:01 <e-yes> where watchdog implemented in maemo? it's not in bme, right?
Jun 30 13:09:21 <Lantizia> _Lucretia_, nah havent' done anything with it... just letting KnightStalker know that it's possible and someone is working on it
Jun 30 13:10:43 <_Lucretia_> Lantizia: you got an up to date maemo working on your machine?
Jun 30 13:10:46 <_Lucretia_> dev machine
Jun 30 13:10:53 <Lantizia> no just PR1.2
Jun 30 13:12:28 <_Lucretia_> xephyr's cmd line has changed
Jun 30 13:12:39 <_Lucretia_> cant run maemo without a keyboard
Jun 30 13:12:46 <_Lucretia_> trying to find out the driver name
Jun 30 13:14:39 <SpeedEvil1> e-yes: dsme
Jun 30 13:14:45 <KnightStalker> oh and may I ask about how ROM files look like?I downloaded one @ romhustler.net and after extracting It gave me .bin and .cue file,how to use that in PSX4ALL ?
Jun 30 13:14:59 <SpeedEvil1> e-yes: also - stop bme works, for example
Jun 30 13:15:18 <Corsac> KnightStalker: -ECHAN
Jun 30 13:15:26 <KnightStalker> o.O?
Jun 30 13:21:16 <flailingmonkey> whthere is no try, people do emulate x86 on N900. silly
Jun 30 13:22:15 <Termana> Yes, but don't try it
Jun 30 13:22:18 <Termana> You'll be belittled
Jun 30 13:24:11 <flailingmonkey> unless you are emulating a game console. then you'll be fawned over
Jun 30 13:32:07 <eitama_> Hey guys - Is there a command that triggers the N900 "Start charging" operation? 60% of the times that I connect the original or any other charger I have, The phone won't charge, but if I reboot It will, so I am sure it's a software bug.
Jun 30 13:32:27 <eitama_> I was hoping to put an icon on my desktop to invoke the charge if one has not started when I connected the cable
Jun 30 13:33:34 <MohammadAG> eitama_, try apt-get --reinstall install bme-rx-51
Jun 30 13:35:33 <lcuk> eitama_, curious - if its a software bug i'd rather see that fixed.  but you are the only one with this experience, have you mistreated and abused your devices' software configuration by any chance?
Jun 30 13:35:36 <tybollt> sjk: there? :)
Jun 30 13:36:30 <SpeedEvil> I can reproducibly get BME to not charge if I stop it, charge manually, then restart BME
Jun 30 13:37:10 <SpeedEvil> eitama_: Does USB work - that is do you get a 'I've been plugged into a host, pick mass storage or usb' mode when you plug it into a comptuer?
Jun 30 13:37:25 * tybollt is seriously confuzzled
Jun 30 13:37:27 <eitama_> I'll elaborate :
Jun 30 13:37:34 <eitama_> This has been the status from day 1 with my device
Jun 30 13:37:37 <eitama_> PR 1.1
Jun 30 13:37:41 <tybollt> missus has the SE Xperia X10 mini pro
Jun 30 13:37:43 <eitama_> PR1.1.1 and P1.2 al the same
Jun 30 13:37:50 <tybollt> the charger is outputing 850mA
Jun 30 13:37:53 <lcuk> eitama_, like i said, have you abused your device?
Jun 30 13:38:00 <tybollt> and my N900 is outputing 1200mA
Jun 30 13:38:03 <flailingmonkey> I had a micro usb car charger that did not activate charging, but now it does so, not much help
Jun 30 13:38:06 <eitama_> USB to my computer works 100% everytime, both charging mass storage
Jun 30 13:38:18 <tybollt> will the Xperia die if I charge it w/ my 1200mA charger?
Jun 30 13:38:19 <eitama_> lcuk, no i have not
Jun 30 13:38:25 <lcuk> :D thats good then
Jun 30 13:38:26 <eitama_> as I said, it's been like this since day 1
Jun 30 13:38:28 <flailingmonkey> tybollt: no
Jun 30 13:38:44 <eitama_> I have tried changing chargers, I even tried a fellow friend's N900's charger
Jun 30 13:38:44 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, I can get it to resume charge every time :-)
Jun 30 13:38:46 <eitama_> Same thing.
Jun 30 13:39:12 <flailingmonkey> tybollt: current is drawn, so with the same voltage, the Xperia will just draw less current
Jun 30 13:39:32 <eitama_> SpeedEvil, you saw my answer? It works with USB everytime, perfectly. It's 100% not the socket or the charger
Jun 30 13:39:33 <tybollt> flailingmonkey: sweet, thanks :)
Jun 30 13:39:35 <ShadowJK> tybollt, what flailingmonkey says
Jun 30 13:39:41 <tybollt> ta
Jun 30 13:40:03 <ShadowJK> btw, N900 seems to actually draw 950mA most of the time
Jun 30 13:40:11 <corecode> is there a way to migrate all calendar items from one calendar to another calendar (synced)?
Jun 30 13:40:17 <eitama_> I can wiggle the cable after it started charging and it will keep charging. and I can wiggle the cable if it has not started charging, and it won't start untill I reboot or reconnect like 3 4 times
Jun 30 13:40:27 <tybollt> sjk :S
Jun 30 13:41:01 <eitama_> BTW guys, you are welcome to try horizontal-call 0.7-8 Which i just released. supports fastSMS, and is very fast (:
Jun 30 13:45:01 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: That seems odd
Jun 30 13:45:05 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: mine does not
Jun 30 13:45:09 <eitama_> So guys, no command to like "Start Charge Now"? or restart charging agent
Jun 30 13:45:28 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, actually when I connect charger, bme starts at 550mA then ramps up to 950
Jun 30 13:45:38 <SpeedEvil> eitama_: I would try 'stop bme'
Jun 30 13:45:42 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Wacky
Jun 30 13:45:52 <ShadowJK> I can squeeze 1250 out of the charger for a few minutes :-)
Jun 30 13:46:01 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: I never see it charge faster than about 600
Jun 30 13:46:13 <SpeedEvil> How measure?
Jun 30 13:46:42 <ShadowJK> Ah it's bq27200.sh logging to a file every 5 secs, so there's actually 20 - 50 mA use by System on top of that 1250
Jun 30 13:46:55 <eitama_> SpeedEvil, will it start itself after I stop it?
Jun 30 13:47:21 <ShadowJK> Also, I dump the registers of the charging chip every second when I plug in to see what bme does
Jun 30 13:47:22 <SpeedEvil> eitama_: will what
Jun 30 13:47:27 <ShadowJK> and it sets 4.2V, ramps current up to 950
Jun 30 13:47:35 <ShadowJK> termination 50mA
Jun 30 13:47:38 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Odd - I've never seen it ramp to 950
Jun 30 13:47:41 <eitama_> ok one last question, is that in terminal under root? : "stop bme"
Jun 30 13:47:44 <eitama_> exactly like that?
Jun 30 13:47:47 <SpeedEvil> eitama_: ah - yes
Jun 30 13:47:49 <MohammadAG> wtf...
Jun 30 13:47:50 <MohammadAG> # they say this is The Right Way (tm) to check for
Jun 30 13:47:50 <MohammadAG> # scratchbox environment
Jun 30 13:47:51 <MohammadAG> if [ -L /targets/links/scratchbox.config ]; then
Jun 30 13:47:51 <MohammadAG> 	# hehe
Jun 30 13:47:51 <MohammadAG> 	true
Jun 30 13:47:51 <eitama_> aha
Jun 30 13:47:53 <SpeedEvil> eitama_: start bme will then start it
Jun 30 13:48:06 <eitama_> ahh
Jun 30 13:48:06 <eitama_> ok
Jun 30 13:48:13 <eitama_> so stop bme and right after start bme
Jun 30 13:48:40 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Jun 30 13:48:48 <eitama_> K- Thanks buddy
Jun 30 13:48:49 <SpeedEvil> BME isn't regrettablt always sane
Jun 30 13:48:58 <SpeedEvil> And may not reset fully
Jun 30 13:49:45 <eitama_> ok
Jun 30 13:49:46 <eitama_> thx
Jun 30 13:50:57 <flailingmonkey> our mission: to destro... replace it :P
Jun 30 13:56:41 <_Lucretia_> http://pastebin.com/3EbUvN9S <- error updating the ARMEL packages, anyone had this?
Jun 30 14:16:01 <lcuk> I just realised, "Jamie and the Magic Torch" is prior art for Portal
Jun 30 14:17:16 <GAN900> I hope Engadget picks up the MyNokia story.
Jun 30 14:18:05 <mirf> whassat GAN900 ?
Jun 30 14:18:11 <flailingmonkey> lcuk: ... prior art has no meaning outside of patents...
Jun 30 14:18:16 <SpeedEvil> submitted to /.?
Jun 30 14:18:20 <SpeedEvil> flailingmonkey: trademark?
Jun 30 14:18:43 <SpeedEvil> If not /., try 4chan.
Jun 30 14:18:46 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 30 14:19:37 <flailingmonkey> SpeedEvil: i don't think it would be called prior art in that case. as a trademark would be the same mark, whereas prior art is implementations
Jun 30 14:19:55 <lcuk> flailingmonkey, shush of course it has meaning - he shines his torch at a wall and jumps through!  im merely pointing out something i never realised before :D
Jun 30 14:19:57 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: eitama_ is not the only one with this issue. I also noticed I have to replug frequently as it is missing to detect charger. Got even worse lately (probably cause of patched kernel). I'm absolutely sure that's a bug/flaw in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#209   static int musb_charger_detect(struct musb *musb)
Jun 30 14:19:58 <GAN900> Nokia really deserves to get their asses kicked for that insanity.
Jun 30 14:20:31 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, is there a bug about it?
Jun 30 14:20:43 <GAN900> mirf, http://maemo.org/community/council/nokia_response_to_mynokia_subscription_in_pr1-2/
Jun 30 14:21:00 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: dunno, never checked
Jun 30 14:25:21 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Jun 30 14:25:22 <infobot> i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 30 14:30:31 <eitama_> DocScrutinizer, lcuk, I think I found a bug about it
Jun 30 14:30:34 <guysoft42> hi all, is there a way to dual boot  nitdroid and mameo
Jun 30 14:30:36 <guysoft42> ?
Jun 30 14:30:38 <eitama_> and I am almostsure I commented about it
Jun 30 14:31:13 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, then you probably should find it and tell us #
Jun 30 14:31:56 <eitama_> Yes I am looking for it
Jun 30 14:31:58 <konfoo> any news on the meego release?
Jun 30 14:32:01 <eitama_> but can't find it (;
Jun 30 14:32:52 <konfoo> guysoft: yes by design nitdroid dual boots...
Jun 30 14:33:02 <konfoo> rtfm
Jun 30 14:34:05 <guysoft42> konfoo, i dont see that mentioned here: http://wiki.nitdroid.com/?title=N8x0Install
Jun 30 14:34:47 <konfoo> guysoft: ah u may be right, i dont use my n8x00 anymore - it dual boots on the n900. try asking on #nitdroid
Jun 30 14:35:01 <konfoo> s/n8x00/n8x0
Jun 30 14:35:43 <guysoft42> konfoo, ok, i will :) did not know of it
Jun 30 14:36:02 <konfoo> no worries :)
Jun 30 14:36:41 <eitama_> DocScrutinizer, I can't find it. Maybe my memories are not real.
Jun 30 14:37:14 <eitama_> I am sure I discussed this on TMO though.
Jun 30 14:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> that's rather useless probably ;-P
Jun 30 14:38:20 <eitama_> Yeah
Jun 30 14:38:30 <eitama_> Well, I can't open a bug, i have overclocked my device... (:
Jun 30 14:38:44 <DocScrutinizer> eitama_: it's quite obviously a race
Jun 30 14:38:53 <eitama_> race condition?
Jun 30 14:39:51 <eitama_> Sometimes I just connect it and it works, sometimes 6 reconnects are needed... Just the USB charging via laptop alwyas works. drives me crazy.
Jun 30 14:40:13 <DocScrutinizer> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#209 ff  is really fishy. I bet the charger_not_detected problem is founded there
Jun 30 14:40:21 <guysoft42> um, might anyone know the command that reads the current kernel on my N810? so i can flash it back later?
Jun 30 14:40:55 <lcuk> \o/ yeahhhhhhhhhh looks like http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7 is being worked on
Jun 30 14:41:25 <DocScrutinizer> eitama_: charging via laptop works with ENUM (which obviously uses DATA+/- lines)
Jun 30 14:42:40 <DocScrutinizer> eitama_: fastcharger works by http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#209 detecting DATA+/- *shortcircuit*
Jun 30 14:43:07 <DocScrutinizer> so evidently your DATA lines are OK
Jun 30 14:43:38 <eitama_> Can one edit that code, compile it and use it on his own N900?
Jun 30 14:43:54 <eitama_> Will that require a custom kernel?
Jun 30 14:44:15 <DocScrutinizer> will require compiling kernel, yes
Jun 30 14:44:33 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, read the discussion on wiki.maemo.org (flashing)
Jun 30 14:44:37 <MohammadAG51> infobot, flashing
Jun 30 14:44:38 <infobot> i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 30 14:45:45 <eitama_> hmmm
Jun 30 14:45:58 <DocScrutinizer> eitama_: for a first very hackish bandaid I'd suggest 224 s/msleep(5);/msleep(200);/
Jun 30 14:46:01 <eitama_> I wonder if any debug messages can be incorporated into that code to find out where it's dropping
Jun 30 14:46:40 <DocScrutinizer> eitama_: we fiddle with that shit for quite some time now, for hostmode
Jun 30 14:46:51 <guysoft42> MohammadAG, was taht at me?
Jun 30 14:46:53 <eitama_> Aha
Jun 30 14:47:00 <eitama_> First time I see that code
Jun 30 14:47:09 <eitama_> and it's actually 1st time I look at C code that is not collage code
Jun 30 14:47:19 <eitama_> So it's a bit overwhelming
Jun 30 14:47:26 <eitama_> For me
Jun 30 14:47:26 <MohammadAG51> guysoft42, nope, why?
Jun 30 14:47:43 <guysoft42> MohammadAG, i was just asking how i can back up my kernel before flashing it on the N810
Jun 30 14:48:18 <eitama_> When does charger detect gets executed?
Jun 30 14:52:55 <alterego> Heh, who do I submit bugs about GLES2 shader compiler issues?
Jun 30 14:53:06 <alterego> 0:8: 'gl_ModelViewProjectionMatrix' : undeclared identifer
Jun 30 14:53:14 <alterego> identifer? :D
Jun 30 14:54:19 <guysoft42> is qwerty_N810 around anymore?
Jun 30 14:54:33 <lcuk> guysoft42, tmo or email
Jun 30 14:54:41 <guysoft42> tmo?
Jun 30 14:54:45 <lcuk> talk.maemo.org
Jun 30 14:58:37 <MohammadAG> oh god uploading the kernel source is going to take time...
Jun 30 14:58:53 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51: thought you'd be smarter. Ever thought of the possibility Nokia is not very clear (or maybe even wrong) on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php, and the important part is the nonbooting between eMMC and rootfs flashing
Jun 30 14:59:24 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I know it's not important, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying it causes inconsistency which causes rants on here and on tmo
Jun 30 14:59:36 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, and I'm not really sure who can edit that page
Jun 30 15:00:40 <DocScrutinizer> eitama_: charger detect is probably executed when reading the sysfs node saying '1' when it's actually detected
Jun 30 15:05:37 * wazd thinks he's a Real UI/UX nerd cause he's more excited bout MeeGo handset UX than about football :)
Jun 30 15:06:46 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: not knowing how to edit a flawed advice on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php doesn't mean we should spread lies on wiki. Rather include better explanation about NOT BOOTING in between flashing step 1&2, and elaborate on the /opt copying that's done on first boot after rootfs flashing. This should happen when *after* eMMC has been flashed, and that's the reason it is less destructive to accidentally boot after eMMC
Jun 30 15:06:47 <DocScrutinizer> flash and before rootfs flash, rather than deleting rootfs' freshly created /opt by flashing eMMC
Jun 30 15:07:27 <X-Fade> I think I can edit the tablets-dev one.
Jun 30 15:10:03 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'm not spreading lies, before PR1.2 was released someone from Nokia edited the wiki to say flash FIASCO first, eMMC later
Jun 30 15:10:17 <MohammadAG> and the same was done to the tablets site
Jun 30 15:10:52 <X-Fade> That is the text I see in the tablets-dev site too.
Jun 30 15:11:19 <X-Fade> NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image!
Jun 30 15:11:39 <BCMM> is there an application for getting contacts off a simcard without adding them to the address book?
Jun 30 15:11:50 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer's point is that order doesn't matter, what's important is that a user doesn't boot up in between
Jun 30 15:11:56 <X-Fade> I think that advise is sane as newer emmc might need bootloader changes.
Jun 30 15:12:14 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: please reread the exact wording, this someone emphasized you must flash BOTH and NOT BOOT between. The sequence which to flash first was more an incidentally put fact
Jun 30 15:12:23 <BCMM> i have two simcards here (that are not my main sim), and would like to copy the contacts from one to the other
Jun 30 15:12:46 <BCMM> in principle, it seems possible to copy them to a temporary location on my n900, change simcards, and then copy them to the new sim
Jun 30 15:12:52 <BCMM> is there an application for doing this?
Jun 30 15:12:55 <timeless_mbp> wow, http://members.cox.net/n75/boxtext-01.jpg the NAM text is *long*
Jun 30 15:13:06 <BCMM> (ideally, without interfering with the internal contacts DB of the n900)
Jun 30 15:13:07 * noobmonk3y_afk blinks
Jun 30 15:13:40 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: ok, then please explain that somewhere, as otherwise my explanation why to flash eMMC first overrides the non-existent one why to do other way round
Jun 30 15:14:07 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'll leave this into your hands as you probably know better, but please don't create inconsistencies between the tablets site and the wiki
Jun 30 15:14:12 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: I think the bootloader routes the data to the emmc when flashing?
Jun 30 15:14:22 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Not sure how that part works though ;)
Jun 30 15:14:24 * MohammadAG pings lcuk 
Jun 30 15:14:31 * noobmonk3y_afk pongs frals 
Jun 30 15:15:01 <lcuk> you all stink!
Jun 30 15:15:08 <lcuk> whats up MohammadAG
Jun 30 15:15:28 <timeless_mbp> BCMM: some older phones make doing that easy
Jun 30 15:15:29 <guysoft42> anyone here with an N8x0 then?
Jun 30 15:15:33 <guysoft42> a*
Jun 30 15:15:45 * lcuk raises hand
Jun 30 15:15:53 <BCMM> timeless_mbp: i have a 3410, but for some reason it will not read that sim
Jun 30 15:15:58 * noobmonk3y_afk looks at lcuk
Jun 30 15:16:06 <MohammadAG> lcuk, discussion about the order of images to flash, you obviously know better about the optification (first boot one) script, so I thought you should be in the discussion
Jun 30 15:16:07 <guysoft42> lcuk, did you try nitdroid?
Jun 30 15:16:08 * lcuk looks at _afk
Jun 30 15:16:12 <BCMM> timeless_mbp: and the only other phone around is locked, and won't accept one of hte sims
Jun 30 15:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: eMMC flashing is a tricky thing, as it's not exactly 'flashing' the eMMC - rather there's some kind of script executed by whoknowswhom. eMMC img isn't size of eMMC storage :-P
Jun 30 15:16:23 <noobmonk3y_afk> lol
Jun 30 15:16:35 <lcuk> if flashing both:  flah both in any order, but do not boot up inbetween.
Jun 30 15:16:40 <lcuk> flash ^
Jun 30 15:16:42 * noobmonk3y_afk agrees with lcuk 
Jun 30 15:16:54 * noobmonk3y_afk just wants everyone to stop flashing, it's disturbing my fragile mind
Jun 30 15:17:09 <guysoft42> lcuk, what os do you run on your N810?
Jun 30 15:17:13 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: that's a fixed fact nobody is debating
Jun 30 15:17:13 <lcuk> after pr1.2 you cannot flash emmc on its own
Jun 30 15:17:27 <MohammadAG> lcuk, suggest what should be done to the warning on the tablets site then, DocScrutinizer finds it full of lies (and he's right about it)
Jun 30 15:17:52 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: the question is what will result in better user experience *if* you accidentally boot
Jun 30 15:17:55 <Dieterbe> Hey, i have been looking at the /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh script, but i'm not sure if i get it. do i understand it correctly that, to share a device over usb (when usb gets plugged in), this is controlled by the echo statements which echo something into /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun0/file ?
Jun 30 15:18:01 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, reflashing
Jun 30 15:18:07 <MohammadAG> I really don't get why you just don't merge both images into one image and use a flag in flasher to flash the eMMC
Jun 30 15:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: eh?
Jun 30 15:18:22 <lcuk> i would like to remove the -R reboot option from the descriptions on wiki etc
Jun 30 15:18:25 <lcuk> it confuses people
Jun 30 15:18:31 <lcuk> and makes mistakes more common
Jun 30 15:18:44 <MohammadAG> lcuk, he means, if someone messes up, which image would allow a boot up
Jun 30 15:18:50 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: agree
Jun 30 15:18:53 <MohammadAG> by messing up I mean they boot up in between
Jun 30 15:19:30 <Dieterbe> odin_: have you find out how /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh works?
Jun 30 15:19:43 <lcuk> ok, option 1:   wanting to flash pr1.2 and you have nothing wrong with MyDocs:  just flash the FIASCO
Jun 30 15:20:00 <lcuk> option 2: you want to reflash eMMC or both:  flash both
Jun 30 15:20:09 <lcuk> do not reboot inbetween
Jun 30 15:20:12 <MohammadAG> about option 2
Jun 30 15:20:28 <MohammadAG> if a user boots up in between, which image would make the device unbootable
Jun 30 15:20:30 <DrGrov> Hi everyone
Jun 30 15:20:39 <DrGrov> God damn I love CNN International!
Jun 30 15:20:40 <lcuk> MohammadAG, FIASCO
Jun 30 15:20:48 <DrGrov> I want a widget for this as fast as possible for the N900
Jun 30 15:20:49 <MohammadAG> lcuk, how come?
Jun 30 15:20:51 <DrGrov> Can it be done?
Jun 30 15:21:17 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: user should either 1) have no major problems when accidentally booting in between part 1&2, or 2) clearly notice, understand, and find out of the erratic situation
Jun 30 15:21:17 <lcuk> because it resets the firstboot flag and is the only place you can get original content needed in /opt
Jun 30 15:21:19 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I can flash the FIASCO only
Jun 30 15:21:24 <lcuk> yes
Jun 30 15:21:38 * timeless_mbp frowns
Jun 30 15:21:46 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, if they flash the eMMC, they wipe opt
Jun 30 15:21:50 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: how's your grasp of New World geography?
Jun 30 15:21:52 <lcuk> which contains now some of the operating system
Jun 30 15:21:56 <MohammadAG> lcuk, so flashing the fiasco image, and booting up, doesn't actually bork the device
Jun 30 15:22:02 <lcuk> nope
Jun 30 15:22:03 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: that's my point
Jun 30 15:22:13 <lcuk> MohammadAG, nope, thats perfectly ok
Jun 30 15:22:23 <MohammadAG> what if a person reboots and then flashes the eMMC?
Jun 30 15:22:27 <lcuk> but if you then later flash the emmc you bork os
Jun 30 15:22:30 <MohammadAG> nevermind
Jun 30 15:22:31 <MohammadAG> yeah
Jun 30 15:22:46 <MohammadAG> it moves parts into /opt after booting up, when you flash the eMMC, it wipes it
Jun 30 15:22:50 <lcuk> yup
Jun 30 15:23:06 <MohammadAG> if a user flashes the eMMC first and then boots up, same problem
Jun 30 15:23:12 <lcuk> no
Jun 30 15:23:16 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: by first flashing rootfs and then accidentally booting, user creates a seemingly harmless situation that leads to messed up system later
Jun 30 15:23:28 <lcuk> because the first boot after FIASCO does what it can to sort out /opt then copies everything over
Jun 30 15:23:30 <lcuk> so you are ok
Jun 30 15:23:52 <_Lucretia_> hi, i'm trying to follow http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/toolchain.html to rebuild the toolchain for maemo, but I'm confused by the HOST target, maemo has FREMANTLE_X86|ARMEL; do I create this HOST target as it says or use one of the FREMANTLE ones?
Jun 30 15:23:53 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, its only "later" if they flash emmc
Jun 30 15:23:56 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: while first flashing eMMC messes up system immediately, but will be mostly fixed on later rootfs boot
Jun 30 15:23:58 <flailingmonkey> so, what if someone ignores all of this, flashes only eMMC, then reboots
Jun 30 15:24:04 <lcuk> if they dont need to flash emmc theres no issue
Jun 30 15:24:23 <lcuk> flailingmonkey, they get a corrupt os
Jun 30 15:24:25 <MohammadAG> flailingmonkey, his device won't boot cause of missing files
Jun 30 15:24:34 <MohammadAG> well, it might boot, not sure
Jun 30 15:24:40 <lcuk> it does boot
Jun 30 15:24:48 <lcuk> with no themes or fonts or things
Jun 30 15:24:57 <flailingmonkey> any reason not to specifically check for opt not existing and attempting a rerun of that firstboot script?
Jun 30 15:24:59 <MohammadAG> question
Jun 30 15:25:15 <MohammadAG> why doesn't the eMMC contain the files already moved to it
Jun 30 15:25:23 <flailingmonkey> nvm, that stuff doesn't exist to be moved at that point
Jun 30 15:25:25 <timeless_mbp> hrm, we really don't have many people from NAM here, do we :(
Jun 30 15:25:35 <flailingmonkey> NAM?
Jun 30 15:25:46 <MohammadAG> North America I guess
Jun 30 15:26:07 <flailingmonkey> ah, well, I am
Jun 30 15:27:21 <DocScrutinizer> viet
Jun 30 15:27:24 <DocScrutinizer> NAM
Jun 30 15:27:40 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 30 15:27:41 <DocScrutinizer> *i* guess
Jun 30 15:27:54 <lcuk> MohammadAG, because the eMMC does not get updated regularly, but that is technically a VERY good idea
Jun 30 15:28:56 <MohammadAG> lcuk, then update it once more :P
Jun 30 15:30:20 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: I'd like to learn how the friggin eMMC 'flashing' actually works. As it's always a insane thing to split system into two images. You should be able to "flash" MyDocs and /home/user independently, and none of both should touch /opt
Jun 30 15:30:28 <lcuk> MohammadAG, not so simple, but that is a nice idea :)
Jun 30 15:30:33 <flailingmonkey> indeed, people flash more often than expected for sure
Jun 30 15:30:45 <lcuk> flashing fiasco is normal
Jun 30 15:30:51 <lcuk> ive not flashed emmc ever
Jun 30 15:30:59 <MohammadAG> I've only flashed it once
Jun 30 15:30:59 <lcuk> ive got photos on my device from the onedotzero event
Jun 30 15:30:59 <flailingmonkey> DocScrutinizer: I think it might actually have a shell script prepended to the image...
Jun 30 15:31:00 * DocScrutinizer neither
Jun 30 15:31:19 <lcuk> flailingmonkey, and i have 15gb of data there
Jun 30 15:31:25 <MohammadAG> but that was when my vibra motor died, so I thought it might be worth a shot
Jun 30 15:31:33 <DocScrutinizer> flailingmonkey: Q: who's executing this script?
Jun 30 15:31:41 <MohammadAG> I really want to try the sed trick and reflash the eMMC
Jun 30 15:31:43 <flailingmonkey> lcuk: same, but people like "fresh and clean"
Jun 30 15:31:44 <MohammadAG> /home is too small
Jun 30 15:31:56 <lcuk> flailingmonkey, of course, thats why emmc is different
Jun 30 15:32:08 <lcuk> we should just change instructions to tell people to emmc first then fiasco
Jun 30 15:32:09 <flailingmonkey> DocScrutinizer: very good question, but I do know someone was able to reparition using a tweak of emmc image
Jun 30 15:32:22 <lcuk> and if they bootup and see corruption, it doesnt matter
Jun 30 15:32:24 <MohammadAG> lcuk, heh, which is what we were discussing :)
Jun 30 15:32:25 <DocScrutinizer> yes, I know
Jun 30 15:32:31 <lcuk> they are following instructions and after fiasco it will cure
Jun 30 15:32:33 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, <lcuk> we should just change instructions to tell people to emmc first then fiasco
Jun 30 15:32:35 <lcuk> MohammadAG, i know
Jun 30 15:32:42 <lcuk> thats why im one lining it
Jun 30 15:33:58 <DocScrutinizer> so probably you could edit this in a way it'd be 'safe' to 'flash' MyDocs (+|or /home/user ?) without reinstalling /opt after that
Jun 30 15:34:33 <lcuk> that would be nice
Jun 30 15:34:49 <lcuk> because after FIASCO on firstboot we vape /opt anyway :)
Jun 30 15:35:03 <MohammadAG> can't the eMMC be unpacked?
Jun 30 15:35:04 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: my initial statement then
Jun 30 15:35:09 <MohammadAG> + image
Jun 30 15:35:33 <lcuk> guysoft42, another time
Jun 30 15:36:16 <GuySoft> lcuk, ok :-/
Jun 30 15:36:35 <lcuk> just ask others, my head is gone completely today
Jun 30 15:37:14 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: by adding /opt *content* to eMMC-VANILLA you create a dependency which requires a new eMMC-VANILLA for each new rootfs img you roll out :-S
Jun 30 15:39:06 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, but its the first alternative solution for now - if a script in emmc head could work then that should be investigated too
Jun 30 15:40:14 <MohammadAG> 32 minutes to upload the kernel source, I hope it builds properly :/
Jun 30 15:40:36 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: seems we somewhat agreed on sequence 1)eMMC 2)rootfs at the moment. So probably you fixing the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php page would be a good idea
Jun 30 15:44:24 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: reverting edits on wiki, you voided your right to "I'll leave this into your hands as you probably know better, but please don't create inconsistencies between the tablets site and the wiki". Please edit wiki page in a way to revert your reverts, and to include an explanation why it's mostly irrelevant which order, but in case user fails on no-reboot requirement, then it's a little bit less annoying if you first flash eMMC
Jun 30 15:45:54 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, sure, I didn't mind the edit itself, I just hate how inconsistent the instructions are
Jun 30 15:46:06 <MohammadAG> there are already 3(?) threads about it on tmo
Jun 30 15:47:05 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I don't care about tmo, and inconsistency with tablets-dev.nokia.com is going to be fixed by X-Fade
Jun 30 15:47:40 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it's _going_ to be fixed, it wasn't going to be fixed when I reverted your edits
Jun 30 15:48:08 <guysoft42> lcuk, i need N810 people,. everyone is N900 now :-/
Jun 30 15:49:09 <DocScrutinizer> the wiki is correct regarding result of discussion here, and it's an idiocy to revert it to incorrect info just because that incorrect info is spread elsewhere. Rather explain there's incorrect info elsewhere, and why it usually doesn't really matter and why the info in wiki is correct
Jun 30 15:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> I tried to do exactly this, and you opted for reverting that effort
Jun 30 15:50:40 <DocScrutinizer> instead of improving it / augmenting it
Jun 30 15:51:31 <MohammadAG> ...and it's an idiocy to revert it to incorrect info just because that incorrect info...
Jun 30 15:51:57 <MohammadAG> I'll ignore that for now, but please don't go over the line in calling it idiocy
Jun 30 15:53:10 <flailingmonkey> perhaps he did not know which was the correct order
Jun 30 15:53:36 <MohammadAG> I'm not discussing the order, I'm discussing the fact that there are inconsistencies
Jun 30 15:53:41 * timeless_mbp frowns
Jun 30 15:53:44 <MohammadAG> I know what order I can flash my device in
Jun 30 15:53:46 <timeless_mbp> !seen jebba
Jun 30 15:53:49 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you not qualifying for the title idiot doesn't mean you're immune to doing idiotic things sometimes
Jun 30 15:54:01 <timeless_mbp> infobot: seen jebba
Jun 30 15:54:03 <infobot> jebba <~jebba@Ploegsma.cwx.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 34d 15h 1m 45s ago, saying: 'perhaps just a dbus command will do it'.
Jun 30 15:54:12 * timeless_mbp cries
Jun 30 15:54:52 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'll take that as an apology :)
Jun 30 15:55:03 <DocScrutinizer> ok
Jun 30 15:55:12 * SpeedEvil dries timeless_mbps tears.
Jun 30 15:55:13 <MohammadAG> meanwhile, my kernel build failed
Jun 30 15:55:19 * SpeedEvil puts away the flamethrower.
Jun 30 15:55:31 <flailingmonkey> so, looks like meego-arm team is scrambling some more, on this fine Day 1
Jun 30 15:55:55 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: jebba has parted maemo/meEgo communtity - says MohammadAG
Jun 30 15:56:36 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=734752&postcount=12 DocScrutinizer timeless_mbp
Jun 30 15:56:55 <timeless_mbp> :(
Jun 30 15:57:20 <SpeedEvil> :/
Jun 30 15:58:11 <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/questions/theman/post759661 - Revenge - a dish best served fried.
Jun 30 16:02:44 <pupnik_> any reason for that MohammadAG51 ?
Jun 30 16:05:30 <Lullen> Can anyone help me with a undefiend reference problem?
Jun 30 16:06:31 <_Lucretia_> when compiling my new toolchain, do I use the glibc that is in /scratchbox/host_shared ?
Jun 30 16:06:36 <ml-mobile> pupnik_: He's moved on to the Ben, which has a fully open source stack
Jun 30 16:07:25 <timeless_mbp> what's Ben?
Jun 30 16:07:42 <ml-mobile> one sec
Jun 30 16:07:55 <timeless_mbp> ben nanonote?
Jun 30 16:08:02 <ml-mobile> yes that
Jun 30 16:08:14 <timeless_mbp> so..
Jun 30 16:08:29 <timeless_mbp> anyone here willing to donate some server resources to me? :/
Jun 30 16:09:11 <SpeedEvil> timeless_mbp: yes, but I have a shitty connection, so you don't want it.
Jun 30 16:10:00 <sar3th> is it possible to get the music player of the n900 to work with a nokia headset like this one? http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002OM7VP4/ref=oss_product
Jun 30 16:10:27 * timeless_mbp will have to go shopping
Jun 30 16:10:36 <SpeedEvil> I _think_ so - but I don't think the buttons work.
Jun 30 16:10:55 * SpeedEvil also needs to do some shopping.
Jun 30 16:11:06 <SpeedEvil> 6 weeks, and I'm running out of groceries.
Jun 30 16:11:31 <GAN900> w00t_, do you just have gobs of time on your hands today? :P
Jun 30 16:11:57 <sar3th> SpeedEvil: the headset itself works, just as the one which came with the n900, but the button's don't, so i wondered whether it is possible to somehow fix that
Jun 30 16:15:46 <w00t_> GAN900: hm?
Jun 30 16:21:39 <SpeedEvil> sar3th: I'm fairly sure in principle it can be done - from memory the headset uses a few resistors to determine which button is pushed, and the hardware capability exists.
Jun 30 16:22:43 <sar3th> that's what i hoped SpeedEvil. are you aware of anyone who could have an idea how to do it/is willing to do it?
Jun 30 16:22:43 <SpeedEvil> sar3th: The kernel and application layers don't support this though, and I'd have to recheck if it is in fact even in principle supported - I'm not completely sure on the design of the headset - how it would normally present the buttons in that case - and also unsure that the range is adequate to sense all buttons.
Jun 30 16:22:56 <sar3th> k
Jun 30 16:23:12 <alterego> I think it uses pulses actually, I've looked into this before.
Jun 30 16:23:24 <SpeedEvil> First, if you could find a spec for what that headset presents to the n900 in terms of resistance/protocol, that would be helpful.
Jun 30 16:26:47 <sar3th> http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Accessories-Car-Phones-and-Other/Technical-question-Nokia-Stereo-Headset-WH-701/m-p/711107#M17136
Jun 30 16:28:00 <SpeedEvil> yeah - actual details - not speculation.
Jun 30 16:28:17 <SpeedEvil> As in 'I hooked a scope to it, and it did', or protocol specs
Jun 30 16:28:52 <sar3th> "I have tried "Nokia AV Hardware Interface Specification" but I found that "Control data and advanced accessories are proprietary of Nokia and are not covered in this document."."
Jun 30 16:28:56 <sar3th> :|
Jun 30 16:29:25 <SpeedEvil> yeah.
Jun 30 16:29:41 <SpeedEvil> It's lileky someone would have at some point measured this - if they documented it is another issue
Jun 30 16:30:14 <alterego> Well, remote uses microphone rail
Jun 30 16:30:23 <alterego> Why not just look at it through gstreamer :)
Jun 30 16:31:27 <sar3th> alterego: if you can explain me what i need to do, i will do it
Jun 30 16:31:43 <sar3th> i'd also hook it up to a scope, but currently i don't have access to one :/
Jun 30 16:31:48 <alterego> Unfortunately I'm a bit busy to get involved in something like this tbh.
Jun 30 16:32:54 <sar3th> aaw :/
Jun 30 16:33:04 <sar3th> das ok though, i know what that's like ;)
Jun 30 16:34:31 <D-Iivil> evening
Jun 30 16:35:54 <sar3th> hi D-Iivil
Jun 30 16:36:47 <D-Iivil> Almost feels like summer :) It's +23 C and sun is still shining.
Jun 30 16:36:51 * D-Iivil likes
Jun 30 16:39:44 <alterego> Wow, the meego handset reference ui looks aweful :P
Jun 30 16:40:04 <GAN900> Looks like an iPhone
Jun 30 16:40:10 <DocScrutinizer> sar3th: If you could start maemo recorder and record thru headset mic...
Jun 30 16:40:36 <alterego> And what's with the dedicated SMS app ...
Jun 30 16:41:05 <DocScrutinizer> sar3th: then record a constant noise (beep or something), and press a few buttons (make notes which button pressed which tiime of recording)
Jun 30 16:41:20 <sar3th> ok DocScrutinizer, will do asap :)
Jun 30 16:41:55 <DocScrutinizer> sar3th: then remove the beep source and do all buttons again
Jun 30 16:42:23 <DocScrutinizer> sar3th: then send the recorded file by email, or upload it somewhere
Jun 30 16:50:12 <sar3th> ok
Jun 30 16:50:24 <sar3th> the problem will be to keep track which button i pressed when :/
Jun 30 16:53:22 <GAN900> w00t_, Talk posting.
Jun 30 16:53:31 <w00t_> nah, just feeling hyperactive
Jun 30 17:03:59 <DocScrutinizer> sar3th: just *say* it? ;-D
Jun 30 17:04:38 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: seems the hw can cope with quite a range of signals
Jun 30 17:07:22 <flailingmonkey> n
Jun 30 17:09:18 <Pawni> Hi :) should I do anything about this: W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
Jun 30 17:09:36 <Pawni> I get it when running scratchbox "fakeroot apt-get update"
Jun 30 17:09:42 <Pawni> on ubuntu 9.10
Jun 30 17:11:21 <fledermaus> I'd guess it was trying to check package signatures.
Jun 30 17:12:19 <Pawni> is it something I should worry about? I'd figure the W: stands for warning so it wouldn't be anything serious
Jun 30 17:13:10 <fledermaus> If I'm right, it's just trying to verify that the packages are signed by a known key, so unless you're worried someone is feeding you trojan horses...
Jun 30 17:16:31 <sar3th> DocScrutinizer: why did i not think of that lol
Jun 30 17:16:46 <sar3th> now i wrote down in which order i pressed the buttons and the approx times
Jun 30 17:18:03 <Pawni> fledermaus, thanks :)
Jun 30 17:19:13 <DocScrutinizer51> sar3th: tbh we'll probably not be able to completely analyze the protocol down to the button that way. But we might get a clue what to do next
Jun 30 17:20:09 <sar3th> i'm willing to try anythign which could help =)
Jun 30 17:23:34 <sar3th> alright, i packed the file up, along with a text file explaing what was pressed when (roughly)
Jun 30 17:27:08 <sar3th> http://www.mediafire.com/?dhnmmyj4jgz
Jun 30 17:30:48 <_Lucretia_> anyone rebuilt glibc for arm for a foreign toolchain?
Jun 30 17:31:00 <Lullen> Can anyone help me with a undefiend reference problem?
Jun 30 17:31:34 <fledermaus> Lullen: you may have more luck if you actually gove some more details, people tend not to answer if the question is on the vague side.
Jun 30 17:31:50 <flailingmonkey> my friend named her cat Lucretia
Jun 30 17:33:04 <_Lucretia_> fledermaus: I downloaded the source package which contains all the archives and a debian dir with patches
Jun 30 17:33:15 <lardman> evening all
Jun 30 17:33:31 <_Lucretia_> having never built a deb I'm not sure of how to build it from scratch and which patches to apply
Jun 30 17:34:21 <fledermaus> is the source already unpacked?
Jun 30 17:34:35 <fledermaus> or do you have .orig and .dsc and so forth?
Jun 30 17:35:43 <_Lucretia_> I have the glibc_2.5.1-1eglibc25+0m5.tar.gz, not the dsc
Jun 30 17:36:33 <wazd> well :)
Jun 30 17:36:39 <wazd> looks a bit boring :)
Jun 30 17:36:50 <fledermaus> and yuou've unpacked that and have a .../debian/ directory inside it?
Jun 30 17:36:53 <fledermaus> you've
Jun 30 17:37:02 <_Lucretia_> yep
Jun 30 17:37:07 <_Lucretia_> and source archives
Jun 30 17:37:37 <fledermaus> ok. from one level above the debian directory (ie top level of the source) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
Jun 30 17:37:46 <ZogG> so meego is out =)
Jun 30 17:38:20 <lardman> what's maemian?
Jun 30 17:38:42 <flailingmonkey> have they made the code drop now?
Jun 30 17:38:48 <ZogG> it';s maemo mania =)
Jun 30 17:38:55 <ZogG> flailingmonkey yes
Jun 30 17:39:07 <_Lucretia_> fledermaus: how do i tell it which toolchain to use (the one in $HOME/opt/gcc-4.5.0-glibc2.5-arm7/)?
Jun 30 17:39:11 <ZogG> but from 3meego i understand the flasher would not work =)
Jun 30 17:39:27 <fledermaus> _Lucretia_: you're doing this in scratchbox, I assume.
Jun 30 17:39:28 <flailingmonkey> i hope someone does a video/screenshot tour, as I'm not going to do an install of it for a few weeks yet
Jun 30 17:39:33 <ZogG> flailingmonkey, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/
Jun 30 17:39:43 <_Lucretia_> nope
Jun 30 17:39:45 <_Lucretia_> outside
Jun 30 17:40:01 <fledermaus> oh. er. then I dunno, sorry :)
Jun 30 17:40:06 <lardman> anyone know the url of the builder for extras-devel?
Jun 30 17:40:07 <_Lucretia_> i read that trying to build a cross compiler inside scratchbox doesn't work for some reason
Jun 30 17:40:21 <lardman> or rather the built packages?
Jun 30 17:40:50 <flailingmonkey> ZogG: that is not even the image they are working on currently :P thats just core
Jun 30 17:41:45 * lcuk waves @ lardman 
Jun 30 17:41:49 <flailingmonkey> they should have a drop of the handset UX ready, they were still trying to make conmand handle wifi consistently earlier
Jun 30 17:42:05 * lardman waves at lcuk
Jun 30 17:42:35 <lardman> flailingmonkey: oh right, so that's quite good news then
Jun 30 17:42:40 <ZogG> flailingmonkey sorry
Jun 30 17:42:46 <ZogG> there is no image only code drop
Jun 30 17:42:57 <wazd> lardman: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php
Jun 30 17:43:00 <ZogG> tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php
Jun 30 17:43:11 <_Lucretia_> fledermaus: should I be building this toolchain from within sb then?
Jun 30 17:43:38 <lardman> wazd: I wanted the source code for a built package, thanks though, I just grabbed the source to look at locally
Jun 30 17:43:40 <ZogG> so funny - the opensource project but still on dev.nokia and downloadeable only with IMEI =)
Jun 30 17:43:53 <wazd> lardman: ah :)
Jun 30 17:44:25 <fledermaus> _Lucretia_: I honestly don't know. I haven't done much cross compiling other than straight up packages in sb.
Jun 30 17:44:38 <_Lucretia_> ok
Jun 30 17:44:38 <fledermaus> never even tried to bootstrap the toolchain
Jun 30 17:44:48 <_Lucretia_> yeah, it's not documented
Jun 30 17:44:59 <_Lucretia_> only the sb stuff, but this is a bit too specific
Jun 30 17:48:47 <flailingmonkey> _Lucretia_: you might want to find resources that are more general than maemo, maybe even the people that develop the toolchain stuff
Jun 30 17:49:41 <_Lucretia_> well, I could just download the generic glibc source with the same version, but I've no idea just how this will affect any running programs
Jun 30 18:00:38 <wazd> if anyone is using Marina here, can you please check if it's optified or not?
Jun 30 18:01:07 <lcuk> wazd it doesnt matter, in pr1.2 the whole themes folder is automagically optified wholesale
Jun 30 18:01:08 <lcuk> no faff
Jun 30 18:01:22 <wazd> lcuk: oh, thanks
Jun 30 18:01:23 <flailingmonkey> wazd: you could download the deb and use dpkg to list where it would put files
Jun 30 18:01:37 <flailingmonkey> ah, lcuk has better answer :)
Jun 30 18:02:03 <Timbo> anyone know if you can boost the range of the n900 ir transmitter through software?
Jun 30 18:02:15 <Timbo> probably wishful thinking...
Jun 30 18:03:52 <flailingmonkey> well, its not really through "software" if you manipulate the registers that control the TX power. but thats up to the chip
Jun 30 18:06:29 <Timbo> right but i guess what i mean is if there is an interface for that it /sys/ somewhere
Jun 30 18:09:26 <flailingmonkey> depends on the driver
Jun 30 18:11:11 <flailingmonkey> oo, pretty
Jun 30 18:12:01 <flailingmonkey> check out: http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots
Jun 30 18:12:29 <MohammadAG51> meh, meego crap in #maemo :/
Jun 30 18:13:13 <flailingmonkey> lol, the video of the UX shows that it has a cursor enabled atm
Jun 30 18:14:53 <wazd> damn
Jun 30 18:14:59 <wazd> it really charges wirelessly
Jun 30 18:15:26 <flailingmonkey> what charges wirelessly?
Jun 30 18:17:53 <flailingmonkey> The fremantle UX is still superior to meego handset ux, but thats not too surprising
Jun 30 18:20:39 <DocScrutinizer> wazd: PoE(802.11ray) ?
Jun 30 18:21:00 <wazd> flailingmonkey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW5wpg5epMs
Jun 30 18:21:15 <wazd> flailingmonkey: look closely at the battery icon
Jun 30 18:21:54 <wazd> DocScrutinizer: that's how magic called nowadays? :)
Jun 30 18:22:17 <wazd> DocScrutinizer: PoE(802.11ray): the gathering :D
Jun 30 18:25:30 <flailingmonkey> rofl, it's draining ATP from the presenter's hands
Jun 30 18:27:14 <flailingmonkey> actually, you could easily make an inductive charging battery for N900, as long as you make a custom backplate too
Jun 30 18:27:33 <flailingmonkey> probably use the chargers for the Palm phones
Jun 30 19:12:10 <ds3> 9
Jun 30 19:25:00 <Pawni> exit
Jun 30 19:35:49 <ToJa92_> anyone here know their way around grep and regex? I'd like to use the expression '100|[1-9][0-9]|[0-9]' but it doesn't work :(
Jun 30 19:37:47 <valdyn> ToJa92_: '\(100\)...
Jun 30 19:39:03 <valdyn> ToJa92_: what's the pipe symbol doing there?
Jun 30 19:39:52 <ToJa92_> valdyn: I want it to match either 100, 10 - 99 or 0-9, but I'm not very good with regex
Jun 30 19:40:13 <sar3th> DocScrutinizer: did you get the linky?
Jun 30 19:40:50 <valdyn> ToJa92_: first you need to embed each token longer than one character into braces like I did
Jun 30 19:41:39 <ToJa92_> should I replace the brackets or keep them?
Jun 30 19:43:30 <ToJa92_> valdyn: Nevemind, solved it in a different way :)
Jun 30 19:43:49 <Kowalczyk> hmm. Watching this video: at 5:58 he has his IP wlan0 192.168.1.4 on his desktop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zNfBczub8&feature=PlayList&p=0C65179719B2951F&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=6 how to do that? is that conky or so?
Jun 30 19:45:18 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: you there?
Jun 30 19:45:23 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer51: you there?
Jun 30 19:47:53 <Kowalczyk> or is there any other way to get that on the desktop?
Jun 30 19:50:42 <Kowalczyk> 17
Jun 30 19:50:43 <Kowalczyk> ehh
Jun 30 19:50:44 <Kowalczyk> sorry
Jun 30 19:59:17 <pyther24> Any one use mplayer with their n900?
Jun 30 19:59:23 <pyther24> I get Can't open /dev/dsp
Jun 30 20:00:12 <greenfly> you'll probably need to figure out how to get mplayer to play along with pulse audio
Jun 30 20:01:21 <pyther24> ok is their a good youtube client that works without mplayer than?
Jun 30 20:01:34 * greenfly shrugs
Jun 30 20:02:09 <dotblank> greenfly, isn't it just -ao pulse ?
Jun 30 20:02:26 <pyther24> I tired -ao pulse but still get no audio
Jun 30 20:02:46 <greenfly> dotblank: could be, I'm not busy enough to avoid irc altogether right now, but too busy to do the research for him
Jun 30 20:03:15 <dotblank> pyther24, did you double check for stipid things.. like silent profile or other programs running or a browser window open with flash
Jun 30 20:03:18 <pyther24> I'm not getting any sound from flash either
Jun 30 20:03:21 <dotblank> stupid*
Jun 30 20:04:30 <dotblank> pyther24, is pulse running?
Jun 30 20:04:57 <dotblank> ps -A | grep pulse
Jun 30 20:05:08 <pyther24> I can check, though I would assume sense the media player works
Jun 30 20:05:35 <pyther24> Now youtube is working
Jun 30 20:05:36 <dotblank> is pulse mplayer compiled with pulse support?
Jun 30 20:05:43 <lcuk> how come edits can occur on talk.maemo.org without the "post edited by vvvvv because vvvvv"
Jun 30 20:06:01 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, think it's a vbulliten problem
Jun 30 20:06:09 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, it happens when you edit quickly
Jun 30 20:06:15 <lcuk> hmm
Jun 30 20:06:26 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, and it happens on all forums i've been on
Jun 30 20:06:34 <lcuk> konttori, really liking qml arent you :D
Jun 30 20:06:53 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, slashdot: no editing, no deleting - you post thats it.  how a forum should be
Jun 30 20:06:56 <pyther24> meh the last update to mpayler was in 09
Jun 30 20:07:01 <lcuk> no revisionist history :D
Jun 30 20:07:01 <pyther24> err... 2008
Jun 30 20:07:09 <pyther24> so that would explain why pulse doesn't work :(
Jun 30 20:07:33 <jacekowski> i'm back from london
Jun 30 20:07:38 <jacekowski> from US embassy
Jun 30 20:07:41 <konttori> lcuk: yea. did you see http://gitorious.org/qmlarcade/qmlarcade/blobs/master/src/main.qml
Jun 30 20:07:48 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, i'd leave all forums
Jun 30 20:07:48 <MohammadAG51> i always edit my posts right after i post them
Jun 30 20:07:50 <jacekowski> bitch decided to don't give me a visa
Jun 30 20:07:56 <jacekowski> just without any questions
Jun 30 20:08:16 <jacekowski> she gave me my passport back
Jun 30 20:08:37 <lcuk> konttori, awesome!
Jun 30 20:09:17 <eitama_> infobot, extras-devel
Jun 30 20:09:19 <infobot> [extras-devel] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel
Jun 30 20:11:44 <MohammadAG51> can anyone test if gnome-nettool deserves an ANNOUNCE thread? :)
Jun 30 20:13:33 <eitama_> you want me to install it MohammadAG51 ?
Jun 30 20:13:53 <MohammadAG51> eitama_, if you want, don't expect an epic UI :P
Jun 30 20:13:59 <eitama_> What does it do?
Jun 30 20:14:50 <eitama_> (Running apt-get update)
Jun 30 20:14:53 <eitama_> (then i'll install)
Jun 30 20:15:26 <MohammadAG51> eitama_, network tools
Jun 30 20:15:36 <eitama_> what like dig? ping traceroute?
Jun 30 20:15:37 <MohammadAG51> ping, netstat, finger, whois
Jun 30 20:15:39 <eitama_> aha
Jun 30 20:15:41 <eitama_> nice
Jun 30 20:16:02 <eitama_> those tools don't deserve a gui (;
Jun 30 20:17:12 <eitama_> omg 6mb
Jun 30 20:17:15 <eitama_> is it optified?
Jun 30 20:18:03 <pyther24> to bad there is no easy way to get tap tools in maemo
Jun 30 20:18:30 <eitama_> MohammadAG51, I think I just lost 3MB on gnome-nettool
Jun 30 20:18:33 <eitama_> Something's not optified
Jun 30 20:18:41 <eitama_> 3.5MB
Jun 30 20:20:01 <eitama_> Mohammad!!!!!!!
Jun 30 20:20:16 <eitama_> MohammadAG51, traceroute is not working
Jun 30 20:20:18 <eitama_> (:
Jun 30 20:31:57 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, ping
Jun 30 20:34:13 <pyther24> If I modify a tweaker profile (save it as the same name though) do I have to reselect it in alarmed?
Jun 30 20:39:20 <Appiah> is the Maemo SDK Virtual Image up-to-date?
Jun 30 20:39:56 <Appiah> says karmic desktop/server but when I go to the download it says intrepid server virtual SDK image ?
Jun 30 20:43:41 <lcuk> Appiah, its been noticed before also
Jun 30 20:43:55 <lcuk> i think a bug has been filed
Jun 30 20:45:08 <Appiah> is that a : no
Jun 30 20:45:22 <MohammadAG51> eitama_, it's in -devel for a reason
Jun 30 20:45:37 <Appiah> ?
Jun 30 20:45:37 * lcuk hmmms
Jun 30 20:45:40 <MohammadAG51> eitama_, i'm assuming the rest of it works
Jun 30 20:46:31 <eitama_> i just tried ping and trace
Jun 30 20:46:33 <eitama_> ping worked
Jun 30 20:46:37 <eitama_> sec i'll test some more
Jun 30 20:46:43 <BluesLee> does someone have a tarball of the meego 1.0 handset release?
Jun 30 20:46:46 <eitama_> the fonts are ugly and barely readable
Jun 30 20:47:18 <eitama_> actually they are not ugly just small
Jun 30 20:47:20 <eitama_> too small
Jun 30 20:48:32 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: ?
Jun 30 20:48:51 <eitama_> MohammadAG51, everything works but traceroute
Jun 30 20:49:06 <eitama_> netstat seems to be missing a mode : show current active tcp/udp
Jun 30 20:49:10 <eitama_> connections
Jun 30 20:49:31 <MohammadAG51> traceroute doesn't work for some reason
Jun 30 20:49:31 <MohammadAG51> it needs iputils-traceroute (?), which i uploaded
Jun 30 20:49:32 <MohammadAG51> but it's not working
Jun 30 20:49:58 <MohammadAG51> eitama_, it's a port doh :)
Jun 30 20:50:16 <MohammadAG51> eitama_, run it as gnome-nettool from terminal and see how bad it is
Jun 30 20:50:20 <lcuk> Appiah, it does appear to be outdated
Jun 30 20:50:33 <eitama_> as root or user?
Jun 30 20:50:46 <Appiah> ah
Jun 30 20:50:46 <lcuk> bug 10636 mentions nothing being available
Jun 30 20:50:48 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10636 Unable to download Maemo 5 SDK virtual image
Jun 30 20:51:02 <lcuk> but the contact on that bug seems very wrong
Jun 30 20:51:20 <Appiah> I been having problems with my SDKs and thought "fuck it , ill go with the bundle virtual image"
Jun 30 20:51:24 * SpeedEvil pokes lcuk with a sharpened cabbage.
Jun 30 20:51:24 <Appiah> but that's outdated..
Jun 30 20:51:27 <lcuk> sure Appiah
Jun 30 20:51:31 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, ahh sorry
Jun 30 20:51:31 <b-man>  lol
Jun 30 20:51:39 <eitama_> MohammadAG51, how come it looks different when it's ran from terminal then from icon?
Jun 30 20:51:43 <lcuk> someone mentioned power consumption of different intel devices
Jun 30 20:51:49 <Appiah> lcuk: sure what
Jun 30 20:51:49 <SpeedEvil> ah - right
Jun 30 20:52:09 <lcuk> SpeedEvil,  <trip0> looks like moorsetown consumes about 4watts full-till.  my sheevaplug consumes about 6W w
Jun 30 20:52:17 <lcuk> how well does out n900 do?
Jun 30 20:52:28 <lcuk> if those figures make sense
Jun 30 20:52:34 <SpeedEvil> depends how you determine full tilt.
Jun 30 20:52:57 <SpeedEvil> It can use about 3-4W full tilt if you do silly stuff.
Jun 30 20:53:05 <lcuk> i know theres a massive difference between idle and full
Jun 30 20:53:10 <SpeedEvil> The CPU flat out alone is only about half a watt though
Jun 30 20:53:29 <SpeedEvil> And CPU idle is more like 15mW
Jun 30 20:53:30 <lcuk> hah
Jun 30 20:53:31 <GAN900> lcuk, top end is not interesting
Jun 30 20:53:33 <GAN900> lcuk, bottom is
Jun 30 20:53:42 <SpeedEvil> maybe 5 - depending on stuff
Jun 30 20:53:51 <MohammadAG51> user
Jun 30 20:53:53 <MohammadAG51> eitama_, exercise for you i suppose :D
Jun 30 20:53:54 <lcuk> GAN900, i could live my life without knowing about your bottom end
Jun 30 20:54:07 <GAN900> Atom doesn't change much between full tilt and idle
Jun 30 20:54:18 <GAN900> Which is what makes it useless as a mobile CPU
Jun 30 20:54:45 <lcuk> Appiah, hmm the problem is, im not sure who the contact would be, the vmware image just magically appears everynow and then
Jun 30 20:54:58 <lcuk> its like sock gnomes
Jun 30 20:55:09 <Appiah> ah
Jun 30 20:55:09 <eitama_> MohammadAG51, lol i'll kick you butt!
Jun 30 20:55:29 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, GAN900 15mw!
Jun 30 20:56:23 <Appiah> so no one listed here : https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemovmware
Jun 30 20:56:26 <Appiah> knows anything?
Jun 30 20:56:49 <lcuk> any of those probably do
Jun 30 20:57:07 <lcuk> but the person assigned to the bug report i mentioned isnt listed in those people
Jun 30 20:57:23 <Appiah> the mailinglist has like 1-2 mails/month
Jun 30 20:57:26 <Appiah> and no repsonse
Jun 30 20:57:36 <Appiah> this is just sad
Jun 30 20:58:12 <Appiah> well guess I'll starting hunting for people responsible later
Jun 30 20:58:36 <Appiah> meanwhile.. I'll just try to fix the current SDK
Jun 30 20:59:15 <lcuk> Appiah, have you tried the intrepid image
Jun 30 20:59:20 <Appiah> no
Jun 30 20:59:21 <lcuk> does it have a datestamp on it
Jun 30 20:59:23 <lcuk> damn
Jun 30 20:59:24 <Appiah> should I even?
Jun 30 20:59:43 <Appiah> maemosdk_server_intrepid-10-08.vmdk
Jun 30 20:59:46 <Appiah> I can try to launch it
Jun 30 21:00:25 <lcuk> Appiah, sure, if you have an image there
Jun 30 21:00:32 <lcuk> launch it, lets open scratchbox
Jun 30 21:00:40 <lcuk> and confirm that that image is not correct
Jun 30 21:00:57 <lcuk> because, this is technically "theres an image there, but it might be mislabeled"
Jun 30 21:01:02 <lcuk> vs where is the new image
Jun 30 21:01:08 <Appiah> haha
Jun 30 21:01:13 <Appiah> Ubuntu 8.10
Jun 30 21:01:19 <lcuk> ok, so its old
Jun 30 21:01:31 <rlinfati> hi, when i'm lisen a mp3 and e-mail is incoming the music is paused ( or muted ) by 2 second to reproduce the sound alert of new mail..... is a bug or a feature ?
Jun 30 21:02:05 <microlith> it is paused
Jun 30 21:02:06 <Appiah> happens all the time
Jun 30 21:02:22 <microlith> happens with calendar alerts and phone calls as well
Jun 30 21:02:34 <Appiah> but sometimes it laggs so its paused , unpaused and you miss 1-2secs of the music
Jun 30 21:02:50 <rlinfati> with gm
Jun 30 21:02:53 <rlinfati> with m
Jun 30 21:03:08 * rlinfati grrr stupid netbook keybords...
Jun 30 21:04:09 <rlinfati> with fm radio, the music is paused... but after the "frequency" is reseted and i listen only noise...
Jun 30 21:04:53 <lcuk> Appiah, there is one logical solution
Jun 30 21:05:06 <lcuk> hrw|gone, :) thanks again for your down to earth level head
Jun 30 21:05:08 <lcuk> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=456841&postcount=10
Jun 30 21:05:41 <lcuk> its not ideal, but certainly feasible
Jun 30 21:06:01 <lcuk> and you can backup/restore whole file in one go once you get it working
Jun 30 21:06:12 <Appiah> lcuk: ye true
Jun 30 21:06:15 <Appiah> thought of that
Jun 30 21:06:33 <Appiah> but I'd still like to poke whoever is "responsible"
Jun 30 21:07:03 <lcuk> Appiah, it needs following up on
Jun 30 21:07:20 <Appiah> maybe MohammadAG51 could do it with that long pole
Jun 30 21:08:19 <MohammadAG51> lolwut
Jun 30 21:08:20 <lcuk> Appiah, problem with https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemovmware is i can barely find any info on the newest version
Jun 30 21:08:44 <Appiah> 2009-07 latest announcment
Jun 30 21:12:20 <hrw|gone> lcuk: ?
Jun 30 21:14:06 <lcuk> hrw|gone, commenting on your good sense in the thread i pasted :)
Jun 30 21:14:15 <alterego> I really don't like the look of the photo viewer in the MeeGo UX, though maybe I'll change my mind when I test it.
Jun 30 21:14:57 <hrw|gone> ah
Jun 30 21:15:01 * hrw|gone  -> sleep
Jun 30 21:15:04 <lcuk> gnite \o
Jun 30 21:16:59 <alterego> otoh, it looks like it will be the game changer they're looking for ... Shame it's rpm based packaging system.
Jun 30 21:17:20 <alterego> Makes me want to work on DeeBo :)
Jun 30 21:17:50 <lcuk> packaging doesnt matter
Jun 30 21:18:12 <alterego> I beg to differ, maybe not technically.
Jun 30 21:18:31 <alterego> But from our perspective it is a huge difference.
Jun 30 21:18:44 <trip0> GAN900, moorsetown claims 21mw standby
Jun 30 21:18:45 <alterego> I learned about debian package for Maemo
Jun 30 21:18:55 <alterego> ~packaging
Jun 30 21:18:56 <infobot> Ask me about ipkg
Jun 30 21:19:44 <trip0> and correction, i read it wrong, moorsetown claims 1.1W playing 720p video
Jun 30 21:19:52 <trip0> menlow is 4W
Jun 30 21:20:06 <lcuk> cool trip0 i just pondered how our arms coped
Jun 30 21:20:32 <alterego> I guess it's almost time for me to get my feet wet with these MeeGo tools then ..
Jun 30 21:20:57 <trip0> lcuk, probably better.  but i'm not sure how much better
Jun 30 21:21:20 <trip0> the omap3 idles a bit lower
Jun 30 21:22:05 <lcuk> trip0, 15mw ?
Jun 30 21:22:14 <jacekowski> idle is like couple microamps
Jun 30 21:22:24 <trip0> 15mw vs 21mW
Jun 30 21:22:51 <jacekowski> are we talking about 0Hz idle?
Jun 30 21:23:09 <lcuk> cool do we have any comparison sftware that can be run on both atm
Jun 30 21:23:34 <trip0> lcuk, meego
Jun 30 21:23:46 <trip0> if we get it running on the n900
Jun 30 21:24:09 <lcuk> trip0, what speed is the aava advertising itself as?
Jun 30 21:25:18 <trip0> lemme see...
Jun 30 21:28:49 <alterego> Eh, someone is building dovecot for fremantle? weird ..
Jun 30 21:29:03 <b-man> hmm
Jun 30 21:29:08 <b-man> ~ipkg
Jun 30 21:29:10 <infobot> ipkg is probably the Itsy Package Management system: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg or see the howto at http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml
Jun 30 21:30:00 <nomis> isn't ipkg obsoleted by opkg?
Jun 30 21:31:29 <trip0> lcuk, iirc, 800 although the aavamobile website says nothing
Jun 30 21:31:48 <trip0> i dont' have ssh on this aava so i am unable to verify
Jun 30 21:32:16 <lcuk> trip0, cant you just get it from repo?
Jun 30 21:32:26 <lcuk> not that it matters
Jun 30 21:32:44 <lcuk> i gather it underclocks itself when idle
Jun 30 21:32:47 <trip0> lcuk, yes, but my normal wifi went down (we are moving buildings)
Jun 30 21:33:14 <trip0> and usb otg is currently not working :S
Jun 30 21:33:15 <lcuk> trip0 is on a trip!
Jun 30 21:33:24 <trip0> :P
Jun 30 21:34:08 <lcuk> it would be good to see how well devices cope with video playback
Jun 30 21:34:21 <lcuk> we have it quite nice on maemo
Jun 30 21:35:11 * lcuk vanishes anywa
Jun 30 21:35:25 <alterego> Yeah,
Jun 30 21:35:26 <lcuk> ta for digging trip0 \o
Jun 30 21:41:06 <trip0> lcuk, oh, i'm sure the n900 would own the aava currently at video playback
Jun 30 21:41:30 <trip0> the meego image comes with the 2.6.33 kernel which doesn't have the nice/latest video drivers
Jun 30 21:41:58 <lcuk> trip0, thats been story for mobile devices for a long time
Jun 30 21:42:52 <lcuk> i can see the drivers arent being optimal
Jun 30 21:45:02 <trip0> the n900 does alright for video
Jun 30 21:45:08 <trip0> but i dont' think it does 720p
Jun 30 21:45:46 <trip0> oh, i just was told the aava runs a 1.5GHz atom cpu
Jun 30 21:46:56 <trip0> unconfirmed
Jun 30 21:48:53 <lcuk> trip0, it copes, thats quite nice video spec, the cpu sounds odd - thats higher than my laptop!
Jun 30 21:49:47 <lcuk> actually maybe not, i have core2 duo - but i run @800mhz
Jun 30 21:50:13 <trip0> it is an atom z, so it scales up and down just like the core2
Jun 30 21:50:25 <trip0> i bet your core2 will go up to 2GHz when under load
Jun 30 21:50:53 <lcuk> it could if i changed cpufreq stuff away from 800 fixed
Jun 30 21:51:26 <trip0> ahh, you fixed it at 800... i c
Jun 30 21:52:00 <kerio> hi all
Jun 30 21:52:40 <kerio> i used chsh to change the default shell (both for user and root) to /bin/bash
Jun 30 21:52:59 <kerio> but it's apparently a stupid thing to do because maemo will now crash on boot
Jun 30 21:53:05 <kerio> and x terminal doesn't work anymore
Jun 30 21:53:07 <kerio> what can i do?
Jun 30 21:53:27 <lcuk> does it get to desktop at all?
Jun 30 21:53:34 <kerio> didn't reboot yet
Jun 30 21:53:53 <lcuk> then theres not a lot you can do.
Jun 30 21:54:02 <lcuk> if you had preinstalled bootmenu, perhaps
Jun 30 21:54:16 <lcuk> but if its not booting theres not a lot left other than flashing
Jun 30 21:54:26 <kerio> it's still on
Jun 30 21:54:37 <lcuk> ahh
Jun 30 21:54:43 <lcuk> ssh in
Jun 30 21:54:44 <kerio> luckily
Jun 30 21:54:45 <kerio> :)
Jun 30 21:54:45 <lcuk> perhaps[
Jun 30 21:54:55 <kerio> lcuk: i don't recall setting a password for user
Jun 30 21:54:59 <kerio> just for root
Jun 30 21:55:00 <lcuk> root
Jun 30 21:55:46 <kerio> hmm, i'm getting permission denied
Jun 30 21:55:48 <kerio> :/
Jun 30 21:55:48 <lcuk> lardman, how goes databases
Jun 30 21:55:54 <kerio> is root login somehow disabled?
Jun 30 21:56:14 <lardman> lcuk: hey, not done much on that, been doing some mbarcode main code sorting-out
Jun 30 21:56:17 <lcuk> usually not, if you installed openssh it should have asked for a password at install
Jun 30 21:56:20 <lcuk> cool
Jun 30 21:56:26 <kerio> it did
Jun 30 21:56:56 <kerio> why is x terminal crashing though?
Jun 30 21:57:00 <kerio> :/
Jun 30 21:57:02 <kerio> that makes no sense
Jun 30 21:57:10 <kerio> is there another terminal i can install?
Jun 30 21:57:55 <lcuk> dunno
Jun 30 21:58:05 * lcuk never understood changing shells
Jun 30 22:03:36 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Jun 30 22:05:39 <kerio> are you sure there's no way to solve this besides reflashing?
Jun 30 22:05:41 <kerio> i just got this today
Jun 30 22:05:48 <kerio> i played with it all this afternoon
Jun 30 22:06:19 <kerio> isn't there another shell i could install?
Jun 30 22:06:32 <SpeedEvil> What's happening now - is it bootlooping, or ...
Jun 30 22:06:48 <kerio> no, but x terminal crashes as soon as i start it
Jun 30 22:06:58 <kerio> not sure why
Jun 30 22:07:00 <SpeedEvil> kerio: What if you ssh to it?
Jun 30 22:07:10 <kerio> i can't login
Jun 30 22:07:19 <kerio> neither with user nor with root
Jun 30 22:07:40 <SpeedEvil> you mean it won't let you login for authentication reasons, or are there other problems
Jun 30 22:07:49 <kerio> ssh reports permission denied
Jun 30 22:08:01 <SpeedEvil> what did you do?
Jun 30 22:08:14 <kerio> chsh -s /bin/bash
Jun 30 22:08:14 <b-man> they should have a mechanism that filters out *.net *.split content :P
Jun 30 22:08:17 <kerio> as user and root
Jun 30 22:08:46 <b-man> x_x
Jun 30 22:09:13 <kerio> SpeedEvil: ideas?
Jun 30 22:09:28 <kerio> i don't know why x terminal crashes
Jun 30 22:09:30 <SpeedEvil> I would wonder what ssh root@phone /usr/bin/chsh -s /bin/sh
Jun 30 22:09:55 <SpeedEvil> would do
Jun 30 22:11:33 <kerio> i'm either getting the password wrong
Jun 30 22:11:35 <kerio> but that's weird
Jun 30 22:11:40 <kerio> because it's my usual password
Jun 30 22:11:52 <kerio> or there's something worse going on
Jun 30 22:13:01 <kerio> i'm trying to use queen beecon to run chsh, but it doesn't work
Jun 30 22:13:43 <SpeedEvil> It may be objecting to stuff as the new shell is not in /etc/shells
Jun 30 22:13:57 <SpeedEvil> which can be interpreted by some software AIUI as 'user is not permitted to login'
Jun 30 22:14:30 <SpeedEvil> hmm - there is no /etc/shells
Jun 30 22:15:07 <SpeedEvil> In practice - why not just reflash?
Jun 30 22:15:57 <kerio> because i don't want to
Jun 30 22:16:03 <b-man> ~ping MohammadAG51
Jun 30 22:16:04 <kerio> i screwed this up, i want to fix it
Jun 30 22:16:04 <infobot> pong MohammadAG51
Jun 30 22:17:27 <SpeedEvil> kerio: can you browse sshfs filesystems with your file manager on your desktop
Jun 30 22:17:49 <kerio> i think i have the FUSE installed
Jun 30 22:18:58 <lardman> night chaps
Jun 30 22:18:59 <SpeedEvil> For example - kdes dolphoine file manager lets me just open fish://root@phone
Jun 30 22:19:02 <SpeedEvil> night
Jun 30 22:19:16 <kerio> can you login with ssh too?
Jun 30 22:20:14 <kerio> huh, queen beacon has some sort of way to test commands
Jun 30 22:20:17 <kerio> that lets you see the output
Jun 30 22:20:20 <kerio> so i can run commands
Jun 30 22:20:21 <kerio> yay
Jun 30 22:20:38 <kerio> what can i do?
Jun 30 22:20:52 <lcuk> change shell back to what it was?
Jun 30 22:21:02 <kerio> it just says exit code=1
Jun 30 22:21:06 <kerio> to chsh -s /bin/sh
Jun 30 22:22:37 <wazd> http://i.imgur.com/uEZ1b.jpg :D
Jun 30 22:22:38 <kerio> sudo locks it up, i think because it wants a password
Jun 30 22:24:29 <kerio> so... no ideas besides "reflash" huh
Jun 30 22:24:30 <kerio> :/
Jun 30 22:25:32 <lcuk> kerio, google might know more, but frankly i think this is just chalk it up to experience
Jun 30 22:26:02 <kerio> i just don't get why x terminal crashes
Jun 30 22:29:08 <SpeedEvil> you might try strace -o whereever /usr/bin/osso-xterm
Jun 30 22:32:45 <kerio> meh, screw this
Jun 30 22:32:47 <kerio> i'll reflash tomorrow
Jun 30 22:33:15 <kerio> unless someone has a better idea, i mean
Jun 30 22:36:30 <muellisoft> kerio: can you SSH into it?
Jun 30 22:36:41 <kerio> muellisoft: nope
Jun 30 22:36:45 <kerio> but it's apparently a login error
Jun 30 22:37:23 <kerio> can't login as user because i have set no password, and i can't login as root because... i don't know
Jun 30 22:37:27 <kerio> it's my usual password
Jun 30 22:37:35 <kerio> i set it when i installed openssh server
Jun 30 22:41:54 <Lantizia> Does anyone here use the Microemulator?
Jun 30 22:44:00 <kerio> ok, this makes no sense
Jun 30 22:44:10 <kerio> i checked /etc/passwd, and root's password is indeed my usual one
Jun 30 22:46:12 <Lantizia> What non-maemo Nokia would you say is closest to the screen resolution of the N900?
Jun 30 22:47:15 <SpeedEvil> n810 was the same wasn't it?
Jun 30 22:47:42 <kerio> non-maemo
Jun 30 22:48:35 <Lantizia> Basically I'm going to download a Java app and want to pick a Nokia model thats cloest to the screen resolution of an N900
Jun 30 22:48:42 <Lantizia> Then run it using MicroEmulator
Jun 30 22:48:51 <SpeedEvil> oh
Jun 30 22:49:56 <Lantizia> The N97 is 640x360 - not quite the same
Jun 30 22:51:02 <Lantizia> hmmm E90 is 800x352
Jun 30 22:51:18 <kerio> anyone willing to make a .deb package with "chsh -s /bin/bash" in one of the installation scripts for me? :3
Jun 30 22:51:59 <Lantizia> kerio, you mean edit an existing deb file to add in one line in the postinst file?
Jun 30 22:52:36 <kerio> well, i was thinking about doing something from scratch
Jun 30 22:52:41 <kerio> but meh, that's fine too
Jun 30 22:53:01 <Lantizia> well it's fairly easy to pick a .deb apart and put it back together again
Jun 30 22:53:19 <kerio> opening one with the browser runs the installer, right?
Jun 30 22:53:40 <Lantizia> if gdebi-gtk is installed and assigned to .deb files... yes
Jun 30 22:53:52 <kerio> i guess i could install it
Jun 30 22:53:56 <kerio> it's still running
Jun 30 22:54:20 <kerio> and i do have access to the application manager
Jun 30 22:54:46 <kerio> or i could set up a repo
Jun 30 22:54:57 <kerio> but meh, that's *really* too much effort
Jun 30 22:56:44 <kerio> anyway, going to try that when i wake up tomorrow morning
Jun 30 22:56:49 <kerio> well, today morning
Jun 30 22:56:55 <kerio> thanks for your help anyway, guys
Jun 30 22:59:07 <keshn> anyone knows why dropbear DOES NOT autostart on maemo when its init script working+added to all rc levels and I can start it manually?
Jun 30 22:59:17 <keshn> I also added it to fucking sudoers
Jun 30 22:59:37 <keshn> now i have2 login all the time rootsh /bin/sh then type dropbear
Jun 30 22:59:40 <keshn> fucking annoying
Jun 30 23:04:38 <SpeedEvil> Wy not simply install openssh
Jun 30 23:04:48 <SpeedEvil> openssh client +server
Jun 30 23:04:52 <SpeedEvil> 'just works' for me
Jun 30 23:08:19 <keshn> yeh u right i installing openssh now
Jun 30 23:18:15 <pronto> does anyone know of a plugin that will share a photo directly to your own ftp server?
Jun 30 23:21:54 <hardaker> pixelpipe will do it through them to your ftp server.
Jun 30 23:22:06 <hardaker> but that's probably not what you want
Jun 30 23:22:15 <pronto> that's what i'm using right now
Jun 30 23:22:26 <pronto> was wondering a way to bypass that annoying middle-man
Jun 30 23:26:56 <pronto> hrm, i wonder how hard it would be to just make one
Jul 01 00:01:54 <abil_uk> hello
Jul 01 00:12:10 <MohammadAG> infobot, ping
Jul 01 00:12:13 <infobot> ~pong
Jul 01 00:12:42 <lcuk> see MohammadAG even infobot thinks you smell
Jul 01 00:13:03 * MohammadAG stabs infobot 
Jul 01 00:13:14 <mortini> heh.
Jul 01 00:13:24 <mortini> poooooooooorinfobot
Jul 01 00:22:38 * MohammadAG announces his first proper-ish port, which took him quite a while to build the deps for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=736409#post736409
Jul 01 00:24:17 <pupnik_> awesome MohammadAG
Jul 01 00:24:20 <lcuk> MohammadAG, awesome"!
Jul 01 00:24:25 <lcuk> snap pupnik_
Jul 01 00:24:41 <MohammadAG> :D
Jul 01 00:25:00 <MohammadAG> Should piss off some busybox dev out there XD
Jul 01 00:25:25 <pupnik_> see if you can't get the 'netstat' display to use less space for the radio buttons
Jul 01 00:25:50 <MohammadAG> gtk glade, I suppose I could do that
Jul 01 00:25:50 <MohammadAG> sec
Jul 01 00:26:09 <pupnik_> that can take some time to fiddle with
Jul 01 00:26:12 <pupnik_> i remember from pcsx
Jul 01 00:26:19 <MohammadAG> hmm, forgot to take out license from the gtkAboutDialog (it's empty)... oh well
Jul 01 00:26:44 <pupnik_> i see a couple of places where you could maybe get more screen real-estate, if you can find the time
Jul 01 00:26:49 <pupnik_> or me, i guess :P
Jul 01 00:27:38 <pupnik_> but hey thanks for the nice port
Jul 01 00:28:04 <pupnik_> i am so used to using the console, but that looks very handy
Jul 01 00:28:15 <MohammadAG> pupnik_, I freed up a lot of estate (ping had a graph which overlapped over the text, and only the top part was visible - so I commented it out)
Jul 01 00:28:23 <MohammadAG> but I'm open for suggestions :)
Jul 01 00:28:32 <pupnik_> yeah i guessed as much
Jul 01 00:29:05 <MohammadAG> netstat, done
Jul 01 00:29:10 <MohammadAG> spacing was set to a high value
Jul 01 00:29:22 <lcuk> MohammadAG, are you running the tickboxes along the top and making box bigger there?
Jul 01 00:29:41 <kwtm> ahhh ... lcuk, I have had bad luck...
Jul 01 00:29:49 <pupnik_> on 'whois' page, you could get a couple more lines of text in if you moved the whois button up to the same line as the 'domain name'
Jul 01 00:29:56 <pupnik_> domain address
Jul 01 00:30:08 <MohammadAG> lcuk, you lost me :P
Jul 01 00:30:17 <pupnik_> can't see anything else
Jul 01 00:30:26 <MohammadAG> pupnik_, tried that, but can't do it for some reason, I'll try again though
Jul 01 00:30:31 <MohammadAG> couldn't*
Jul 01 00:30:42 * GAN900 yawns
Jul 01 00:31:02 * MohammadAG yawns back
Jul 01 00:31:07 <pupnik_> i'm a little too ignorant to help much
Jul 01 00:31:22 <GAN900> pupnik_, what's your take on the handset UX?
Jul 01 00:31:37 <pupnik_> had a few nice transitions
Jul 01 00:31:59 <pupnik_> didn't give it too much thought beyond that
Jul 01 00:32:55 <pupnik_> i thought the contacts opened too slowly
Jul 01 00:34:06 <pupnik_> i don't care if they need to preload qtbloat to get a fast response.  get it done :P
Jul 01 00:36:21 <lcuk> contact list is very very poor
Jul 01 00:36:41 <lcuk> the aava is meant to be a facter cpu too
Jul 01 00:36:51 <lcuk> (according to unconfirmed reports)
Jul 01 00:37:42 <keshn> which is the best MC clone?
Jul 01 00:37:45 <keshn> anpaza?
Jul 01 00:38:04 <lcuk> kwtm, :( have you broken it again
Jul 01 00:38:13 <lcuk> why not just get mc?
Jul 01 00:38:54 <pupnik_> a fluid feel is a distinguishing market positioning factor - a slick response makes it a sports car and not a clunky station wagon.
Jul 01 00:39:22 <keshn> maybe cause its not in the repo
Jul 01 00:39:31 <pupnik_> as liqbase author lcuk knows this very well
Jul 01 00:39:44 <lcuk> im sure people have mc on their n900s
Jul 01 00:39:47 <lcuk> :D
Jul 01 00:40:07 <keshn> do you own one?
Jul 01 00:40:40 <lcuk> what?
Jul 01 00:41:31 <lcuk> keshn, http://maemo.org/packages/view/mc/
Jul 01 00:48:25 <MohammadAG> zaheerm, zoutube's not working again :)
Jul 01 01:08:44 <smackpotato> power users kernel. I like it. when is it comming to the n810
Jul 01 01:09:02 <asj> smackpotato: when you port it :)
Jul 01 01:09:25 <smackpotato> give me a head start where is the source
Jul 01 01:09:41 <asj> apt-get source no?
Jul 01 01:10:02 <smackpotato> lol
Jul 01 01:10:44 <MohammadAG> does the N810 even use the same kernel version?
Jul 01 01:11:15 <smackpotato> no because the hardware is different
Jul 01 01:12:54 <luke-jr> ..
Jul 01 01:13:10 <luke-jr> smackpotato: his point being, we don't even have Linux ported to N810 yet
Jul 01 01:13:38 <keshn> N900 roxx
Jul 01 01:13:41 <smackpotato> hu
Jul 01 01:13:41 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, ty
Jul 01 01:13:45 <keshn> my previous pda was an xda 02
Jul 01 01:14:06 <luke-jr> I agree, if considered a PDA, N900 does rock
Jul 01 01:14:15 <luke-jr> smackpotato: http://elinux.org/N810#Status
Jul 01 01:15:45 <smackpotato> thanks luke
Jul 01 01:16:49 <lcuk> luke-jr, wheres n900 version
Jul 01 01:17:11 <luke-jr> lcuk: I haven't looked into N900 enough yet :)
Jul 01 01:17:25 <luke-jr> any idea: how much of the hardware is the same?
Jul 01 01:17:38 <luke-jr> that is, whether it needs its own new table, or could feasably share this one
Jul 01 01:18:22 <lcuk> luke-jr, the component base itself seems reasonable, the specific chips for each will have changed
Jul 01 01:20:58 <luke-jr> so N900 has little, if anything, in common with N810 on the hardware end?
Jul 01 01:21:10 <luke-jr> mayeb just the touchscreen?
Jul 01 01:21:31 <lcuk> luke-jr, its upgrades across the board
Jul 01 01:21:36 <luke-jr> k
Jul 01 01:21:52 <lcuk> how are you liking it as a device now you have one
Jul 01 01:21:58 <luke-jr> lcuk: obviously you're welcome to copy the table and modify it for N900 on a N900 page ;)
Jul 01 01:22:07 <luke-jr> lcuk: it's more usable than I expected, I admit
Jul 01 01:22:19 <luke-jr> the small screen isn't as annoying as I thought
Jul 01 01:22:42 <DrGrov> Seriously...
Jul 01 01:22:57 <lcuk> luke-jr, that looks like a decent layout for a lot of things, reminds me of things i used to compile dynamically
Jul 01 01:22:57 <luke-jr> I want to get Gentoo on it, but semi-scared of using internal flash for swap/build/etc
Jul 01 01:23:01 <DrGrov> Why the fuck am I up still when the time is 04:22 morning?
Jul 01 01:23:06 <Termana> yello
Jul 01 01:23:09 <SpeedEvil> DrGrov: Wrong timezone?
Jul 01 01:23:12 <lcuk> luke-jr, i keep wanting to click on items
Jul 01 01:23:18 <asj> DrGrov: 11:23here...
Jul 01 01:23:22 <luke-jr> DrGrov: are you tired?
Jul 01 01:23:25 <MohammadAG> Thu Jul  1 04:23:25 IDT 2010
Jul 01 01:23:30 <MohammadAG> you don't see me complaining
Jul 01 01:23:34 <DrGrov> SpeedEvil: no, a chronic leg pain...
Jul 01 01:24:12 <luke-jr> lcuk: some things are links
Jul 01 01:24:17 <luke-jr> lcuk: to patches and such
Jul 01 01:24:26 <SpeedEvil> DrGrov: There are surefire ways to cure that.
Jul 01 01:24:32 * SpeedEvil starts his chainsaw.
Jul 01 01:24:37 <luke-jr> ...
Jul 01 01:24:37 <DrGrov> MohammadAG: do you have chronic leg pain?
Jul 01 01:24:47 <MohammadAG> nope, but I can help solve yours
Jul 01 01:24:52 <DrGrov> MohammadAG: no thanks
Jul 01 01:24:52 * MohammadAG fires up his chainsaw too
Jul 01 01:24:55 * luke-jr highly doubts chainsaw amputation is effective pain relief
Jul 01 01:24:59 <DrGrov> You damn fuckers!
Jul 01 01:25:10 <asj> MohammadAG: sadly, phantom pain can be a real problem
Jul 01 01:25:11 <DrGrov> You are thinking about cutting off my leg?
Jul 01 01:25:21 <asj> DrGrov: oh, just one?
Jul 01 01:25:29 <Termana> DrGrov, NO why would we ever think that
Jul 01 01:25:36 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, he'll lose consciousness when he uses the chainsaw, do you actually think we want to cut off his leg?
Jul 01 01:25:36 <MohammadAG> s/uses/sees
Jul 01 01:25:36 <Termana> /say /sarcasim
Jul 01 01:25:39 <Termana> damn it
Jul 01 01:25:41 <lcuk> luke-jr, yeah
Jul 01 01:25:43 <Termana> /sarcasim
Jul 01 01:25:46 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: LOL
Jul 01 01:26:53 <DrGrov> LOL
Jul 01 01:27:34 <DrGrov> One treatment I have found though is to wrap the leg in extremely hot towels and try to sleep...
Jul 01 01:27:43 <Termana> Shit. I just joined the NetBSD channel and went to join the FreeBSD channel and forgot the slash. :\
Jul 01 01:27:46 <DrGrov> It eventually works but it is a fucking PITA to go through
Jul 01 01:28:41 <MohammadAG> just go to bed
Jul 01 01:28:56 <asj> DrGrov: better pain killers from the doctor?
Jul 01 01:29:08 <DrGrov> asj: unfortunately they do not help
Jul 01 01:29:16 <MohammadAG> think of chainsaws and flamethrowers
Jul 01 01:29:18 <DrGrov> MohammadAG: does not help. been trying to get some sleep for the past 6 hours or so
Jul 01 01:29:46 <MohammadAG> time a slingshot and put an N900 on it, then aim it towards your head
Jul 01 01:29:58 <Termana> DrGrov, sleeping pills?
Jul 01 01:30:21 <MohammadAG> sleeping bricks ftw
Jul 01 01:33:02 <SpeedEvil> DrGrov: Heat pads can help.
Jul 01 01:33:32 <DrGrov> SpeedEvil: yeah, I actually try to wrap my leg in hot and it usually does help
Jul 01 01:33:54 <DrGrov> What I am wondering mostly about is that perhaps it is related to something more serious ...
Jul 01 01:34:11 <SpeedEvil> If it's ongoing, it's probably a good idea to see a doc.
Jul 01 01:34:24 <SpeedEvil> both legs?
Jul 01 01:35:13 <DrGrov> Just the left leg. Perhaps something to do with my previous ice-hockey accident in which I broke the leg in 3 places... That is though about 15 years ago but the pain has become more severe over the years
Jul 01 01:36:33 <Termana> DrGrov, have you seen a doctor about it?
Jul 01 01:36:56 <Termana> Especially if its getting worse every year, I would be checking up with my doctor with it
Jul 01 01:37:33 <DrGrov> Termana: yeah now I have not checked it up since I was aware of the condition but now after it is getting worse I will go to a doc and see over it what might be the issue.
Jul 01 01:44:53 <DrGrov> Or then I just chop the leg off
Jul 01 01:50:24 <keshn> woho just compiled my first helloworld program
Jul 01 01:50:30 <keshn> helloworld: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
Jul 01 01:50:39 <keshn> :D
Jul 01 01:57:59 <pyther> keshn: did you used some type of guide?
Jul 01 02:07:53 <luke-jr> is there any lightweight Windows app compatible with N900 video calling?
Jul 01 02:08:07 <DrGrov> It is good to get a kiss from a girl when waking up
Jul 01 02:34:09 <pigeon> any girl?
Jul 01 02:36:18 <DrGrov> any girl?
Jul 01 02:37:39 <pigeon> as in, any girl? or a specific girl?
Jul 01 02:39:22 <johnx> or like the super hero? Any Girl to the rescue!
Jul 01 02:49:14 <Proteous> lol
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