**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 04 02:59:57 2010 Jul 04 02:59:58 (enough to display a friendly dialog) Jul 04 03:00:00 but I thought emergency charge are 100 Jul 04 03:01:23 I know it's emergency as solid BRIGHT yellow Jul 04 03:01:34 Well, if you kill bme, bq24150 will continue at bme programmed rate of, most likely, 950, for 32sec. After that it will revert to defaults, and since bme has tickled usb, the otg line will be active, which will enable 550mA Jul 04 03:01:38 how do I turn lifeguard back on? Jul 04 03:01:48 had this before $ sudo flasher --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset Jul 04 03:02:12 550 because it's the default, lowest, rate Jul 04 03:02:39 ShadowJK: and if bq isn't charging while bat removal, then it's too slow Jul 04 03:03:05 ShadowJK: take some sleep Jul 04 03:03:41 What is too slow? Jul 04 03:04:19 hmm maybe I really should Jul 04 03:04:52 starting up from no charge to emergency charge or whatever Jul 04 03:05:28 It basically works as long as your system is ok Jul 04 03:05:29 you got no more than 32s after stop bme to remove cell Jul 04 03:05:31 timetochange, sudo flasher --clear-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset --disable-rd-mode Jul 04 03:05:40 Oh, how come? Jul 04 03:06:10 grrr, my N900 battery is too full to test right now :) Jul 04 03:06:11 otherwise hard shutdown Jul 04 03:06:25 hehehe Jul 04 03:06:46 discharging is just too easy I've been told Jul 04 03:07:07 yeah well, they don't have mugen ;) Jul 04 03:07:16 I suggest 5min call with speakerphone Jul 04 03:08:03 (new thread of conversation) what's up with DrinkCounter anyway, it's like someone very drunk had coded it Jul 04 03:08:10 don't forget to talk or fart or... whatever though. otherwise no TX :-P Jul 04 03:08:57 My own battery draining recipie consists of GPSJinni, distributed.net and gpodder downloading a few gigabytes of youtub over 3g ;p Jul 04 03:09:13 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if tmo would be right place for me to spread the news :-D Jul 04 03:09:17 My record is at about 1100mA drain Jul 04 03:09:36 Rather backwards. No battery draining strategies are now needed. Jul 04 03:09:46 should suffice :) Jul 04 03:09:58 Now battery* Jul 04 03:09:58 Termana, that's easy, just turn it off Jul 04 03:10:26 Funny how a typo can change a sentence to mean something else :\ :P Jul 04 03:10:26 ShadowJK: don't forget to STOP the hogs before you attach charger and stop bme Jul 04 03:12:17 * DocScrutinizer51 starts pondering about micro USB dongle with a small NiMH cell stack, to deliver 500mA for 60s. Rechargable over boost mode Jul 04 03:12:37 finally flashed, not sure rsync completely backed it up though Jul 04 03:12:45 think I'll sell the patent Jul 04 03:12:48 I guess the first boot after a flash takes forever eh Jul 04 03:13:02 a bunch of files are being copied to emmc Jul 04 03:13:15 gay ass shaking hands thing is back Jul 04 03:13:33 tell me if phone works now :-P Jul 04 03:13:37 sec...... Jul 04 03:14:07 hey, maemo repo is down, isn't it?? Jul 04 03:14:08 well that's jenky Jul 04 03:14:19 tell me Jul 04 03:14:55 works Jul 04 03:15:01 took a while to boot Jul 04 03:15:07 fookin a Jul 04 03:15:10 hope this shit restores Jul 04 03:15:26 just wish i knew why this all happened Jul 04 03:15:28 That's the only thing I hate about repositories. If they go down, your stuffed in installing apps and stuff (unless its in another repo) Jul 04 03:15:58 so look at Vtopic Jul 04 03:16:08 /topic even Jul 04 03:30:51 ~bark Jul 04 03:30:52 * infobot barks, like a rabid dog. Jul 04 03:31:24 damn it's all my internet is borked Jul 04 03:32:04 random abort of connections after 5..20kb (estimated) Jul 04 04:14:42 OOOOOH my God! Jul 04 04:15:08 the idiot linux machine has changed my MTU to 1500 Jul 04 04:15:36 ł¼¼đ½@@#*++&&$&€¬5g3½ Jul 04 04:15:44 :-(((( Jul 04 04:28:21 DocScrutinizer: MTU 1500 is so 90s :) Jul 04 04:34:53 moo---: what?? Jul 04 04:35:02 1500 is the max/standard Ethernet Jul 04 04:35:42 I think the default for Internet connections is 500-600 nowadays Jul 04 04:35:47 1500 was default in win95 Jul 04 04:41:30 moo---: 500-600 is for dialup Jul 04 04:41:38 DSL tends to be 1480 or so Jul 04 04:41:45 Cable is usually the full 1500 Jul 04 04:42:02 no idea what GSM and 3G use Jul 04 05:05:58 sup everyone Jul 04 05:22:49 jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/hen-kernel_mohammad> ping -s 1432 ct.de Jul 04 05:22:51 PING ct.de (193.99.144.80) 1432(1460) bytes of data. Jul 04 05:22:52 --- ct.de ping statistics --- Jul 04 05:22:54 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9014ms Jul 04 05:23:19 jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/hen-kernel_mohammad> ping -s 1433 ct.de Jul 04 05:23:20 PING ct.de (193.99.144.80) 1433(1461) bytes of data. Jul 04 05:23:22 --- ct.de ping statistics --- Jul 04 05:23:23 15 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 13999ms Jul 04 05:24:39 good morning. Jul 04 06:06:24 heh, n900 dropped another $50 at newegg... dunno if that's an iphone 4 response, or if it means there's a new nokia coming Jul 04 06:16:59 yeah I shouldve waited to buy one Jul 04 06:17:20 anyway, why would chaining two routers allow me to receive SIP calls but not make them? Jul 04 06:19:25 DocScrutinizer: hold on, you can change your sim while the phone is on? Jul 04 06:19:43 i mean, with a charger Jul 04 06:39:36 DocScrutinizer51: looks like you've gotta set MTU on your interfaces Jul 04 06:44:57 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998409 is this good for anything that i can't do with my phone (i.e.tether it to a laptop)? Jul 04 06:58:52 yawwwn Jul 04 07:09:21 word Jul 04 07:20:04 solrize: probably Jul 04 07:20:50 hold on, why can't you tether your phone to a laptop? Jul 04 07:22:42 solrize: hsdpa 3.6 :/ Jul 04 07:23:50 the n900 is *way* better than that Jul 04 07:26:14 hmm, MfE with google correctly synced my calendar Jul 04 07:28:39 did anyone actually managed to make it work with the contacts? Jul 04 07:45:43 how to... disabling the camera sound.... Jul 04 07:49:08 nm wiki maemo :) Jul 04 08:49:46 "Several thousands of patents ride on any particular cellphone" - Heller Jul 04 08:50:10 got the artigo back in action :) Jul 04 08:50:16 damn that was a pain in the ass Jul 04 08:51:52 have anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard? Jul 04 08:52:41 redeeman: i honestly never thought about it but you are right the older one was way better for some reason Jul 04 08:52:59 why do you even use the vkeyboard :) Jul 04 08:53:08 * kerio has never seen the vkeyboard Jul 04 08:53:08 it's good for quick stuff Jul 04 08:53:13 because its good Jul 04 08:53:20 I've used it maybe 5 times Jul 04 08:53:24 heh Jul 04 08:53:28 opera has its own :) Jul 04 08:53:34 HW-keyboard ftw Jul 04 08:54:00 MiXu-: sometimes if all you have to say in an im is "ok"then the vkb is a litle more practical Jul 04 08:54:44 ok, I get that. But still opening the slide only takes half a second. Jul 04 08:54:51 i use vkeyboard for non english purposes Jul 04 08:55:03 and that's how long it takes for vkeyboard to come up :) Jul 04 08:55:26 i like the slide open anyway Jul 04 08:55:35 it's easier to hold it, that way Jul 04 08:55:39 same here Jul 04 08:55:43 kerio: sure, why shouldn't you be able to change SIM when you got battery removed. Anyway I told you to switch off the GSM, so it's not a big surprise when it works Jul 04 08:55:57 maybe if it had portrait mode the vkb would make a little more sense ;) Jul 04 08:56:02 yes Jul 04 08:56:08 you can one hand msgs Jul 04 08:56:35 was it so that opera has a portrait mode vkb? Jul 04 08:57:06 That's pretty handy Jul 04 08:57:23 yes Jul 04 08:57:37 safari kind of sucks Jul 04 08:57:44 safari? Jul 04 08:57:46 on n900? Jul 04 08:57:50 no haha Jul 04 08:57:56 godhelptheworldifthathappened Jul 04 08:58:03 DocScrutinizer: so did you replace the bme or what? Jul 04 08:58:09 There's some stuff in N900 that they could have dropped in favor of doing something more useful(tm). Jul 04 08:58:18 MiXu-: like portrait mode? :) Jul 04 08:58:19 kerio: read backscroll Jul 04 08:58:22 heh Jul 04 08:58:25 vkb is faster to type on.. well.. was Jul 04 08:58:27 Like the virtual keyboard in it's current form. Jul 04 08:58:42 Macer: The portrait mode is useful in browser. I like that. Jul 04 08:58:42 DocScrutinizer: lost backscroll :| Jul 04 08:58:56 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Jul 04 08:59:33 MiXu-: i kind of figured portrait mode was good for desktop widgets too Jul 04 08:59:57 otherwise you do this awkward wrist rotation flip thing out the pocket Jul 04 09:00:12 yeah Jul 04 09:00:28 N900 is not the best device ergonomics wise Jul 04 09:01:13 no portrait media player sucks really bad Jul 04 09:01:26 There's some majorly useless stuff in the Settings. Like the notification led settings :D Jul 04 09:01:28 again with the awkward wrist flipping Jul 04 09:01:45 there is an add-on to change the color of the led Jul 04 09:01:48 that comes in handy Jul 04 09:02:15 I'm pretty sure 95% of people couldn't care less about how the led works. As long as it works. :) Jul 04 09:02:23 you can change how it blinks and what color depending on what kind of thing it is Jul 04 09:02:37 well...i like the led Jul 04 09:03:03 I like it too. But it's enough for me in it's original form. Jul 04 09:03:46 Facebook desktop widget is also completely useless. Jul 04 09:04:01 that's external, isn't it? Jul 04 09:04:20 Hmm. Could be actually. Jul 04 09:05:06 Then there's chess and mahjong... :P Jul 04 09:05:10 and RSS Jul 04 09:05:14 someone needs to break in the nokia HQ and steal the full source code btw Jul 04 09:06:31 RSS would be useful if it was even remotely user friendly and usable :) Jul 04 09:18:42 * konttori thinks there exists a complere rewrite of rss in nokia svn/git. Jul 04 09:19:23 oh, and harmattan rss reader is really nice. My favorite app of harmattan at the moment Jul 04 09:19:53 muuuuch better usability-wise (and obviously, in all other aspects as well) Jul 04 09:20:31 when is it going to be released? Jul 04 09:25:42 konttori: Yeah, I agree Jul 04 09:26:05 kerio: like I could tell you. ;) Jul 04 09:26:12 :( Jul 04 09:26:17 month? Jul 04 09:26:20 six months? Jul 04 09:26:21 year? Jul 04 09:26:28 six years? Jul 04 09:26:32 within next 3 years Jul 04 09:27:36 Did you hear that Nokia, konttori just broke his NDA. He told us its going to be released in the next 3 years! Jul 04 09:27:42 :P Jul 04 09:27:47 :D Jul 04 09:28:17 lol. now that i broke it, i can probably tell the rest of the details and publish a video ;) Jul 04 09:28:28 haha Jul 04 09:30:51 DocScrutinizer: hey, that's cool Jul 04 09:31:00 disabling the bme and waiting for the light to come up lets you remove the battery Jul 04 09:31:32 kerio: tel me news Jul 04 09:32:54 kerio: no use in pretending you found something new. The irc logs of last night are everywhere Jul 04 09:33:43 i was... confirming what you said? Jul 04 09:33:52 :/ Jul 04 09:34:18 eh what is this? remove battery while device is on? Jul 04 09:34:23 oh, I got that wrong Jul 04 09:34:29 yup Jul 04 09:34:51 i don't think changing the sim works though Jul 04 09:34:55 pupnik: hotswap of battery is possible Jul 04 09:34:58 that's cool! Jul 04 09:35:34 make a little idiot-gui for that and make a 'bam!' post to planet Jul 04 09:35:41 'try that, iphone' etc Jul 04 09:35:54 pupnik: though I have to start claiming it whenever somebody mentions the topic: THIS MIGHT BE LETHAL TO YOUR HARDWARE Jul 04 09:36:01 oh Jul 04 09:36:27 I don't see why it should, but I can not guarantee there's no hidden quirk Jul 04 09:36:44 DocScrutinizer: does it work with the usb cable too? Jul 04 09:36:48 i only tried the wall charger so far Jul 04 09:37:07 I think it will work only with wallcharger Jul 04 09:37:41 or with the special dongle you can order here @ joerg's geekshop Jul 04 09:37:43 :-P Jul 04 09:38:15 micro-usb dongle with very small rechargable batteries, sufficient to power phone for 60s Jul 04 09:38:32 charge with boostmode, then swap main battery Jul 04 09:39:20 comes with applet to control the whole process Jul 04 09:39:39 still no warranty :-P Jul 04 09:53:43 When I read people saying the n900 doesn't have enough apps on tmo, I have to start to wonder - is all the desktop linux apps plus apps ran through usermode qemu and WINE, and then all the ones in the repo, not enough apps? Jul 04 09:54:41 Or are they saying there isn't enough useless apps available? Jul 04 09:54:43 well, wine on n900 with qemu is slow Jul 04 09:54:57 so that's useless Jul 04 09:55:07 desktop apps are desktop apps Jul 04 09:55:12 and are quite hard to use as well Jul 04 09:55:30 wouldn't consider any emulator solution suitable for typical user Jul 04 09:55:57 Meh. I just don't think its straight cut, "there isn't enough apps" Jul 04 09:55:58 or anything, which is not somewhere near to stable Jul 04 09:57:29 i wouldn't even say that all apps (or themes ow whatnot) in the extras (not even testing or devel) are stable enough for anything Jul 04 09:57:57 so i kind of agree that "not enough apps" comment Jul 04 09:59:01 People wouldn't say their desktop "doesn't have enough apps" - and when you have most desktop apps with a Debian chroot, I just don't think your LOSING functionality. Sure some of its harder to use, being more suited to the desktop. But its still there if its needed. Jul 04 09:59:57 people do use emulators and chroots on desktop with some effort, but on a handheld? you gotta be kidding me right? Jul 04 10:01:32 why would you need to run desktop linux apps via an emulator? Jul 04 10:01:41 Surfa, what's wrong with using a chroot on a handheld? Jul 04 10:01:41 yes they do use them on handhelds Surfa Jul 04 10:02:04 mavhc, you wouldn't. Chroot is sufficient. Jul 04 10:02:31 pupnik, marginal groups are Jul 04 10:02:59 ram is more of a problem than cpu in a lot of cases Jul 04 10:03:40 n900 owners are a 'marginal group' Jul 04 10:03:43 Surfa, if you mean its a problem for the masses, what's wrong with Easy Debian? No work involved Jul 04 10:03:43 next question Jul 04 10:04:08 pupnik, not really Jul 04 10:04:52 pupnik, majority of n900 owners I know don't bother Jul 04 10:05:02 Hola o/ Jul 04 10:05:17 D-Iivil, hello Jul 04 10:06:01 Is there a way to use the email application in a network with proxy that requires authentication? Jul 04 10:07:51 no Jul 04 10:08:13 how do you plan to pass imap/pop/smtp traffic trough http proxy? Jul 04 10:09:13 jacekowski: Why is this a problem ? Jul 04 10:09:51 square peg in round hole problem Jul 04 10:09:55 does that ring a bell? Jul 04 10:10:31 not getting that, really Jul 04 10:12:16 ok got it Jul 04 10:34:54 wazzzzd Jul 04 10:45:02 greetings Jul 04 10:47:26 LOL crashanddie (topic) Jul 04 10:47:30 ty xD Jul 04 10:49:20 since the data storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc of N900 are standard/open source/ documented, it is possible to develop a python program that reads them, and 'compare' them with linux desktop version, thus synchronizing them. can someone please correct me or confirm this please? Jul 04 10:50:41 smhar: yes, that's possible, though easier to just use opensync. Jul 04 10:55:36 alterego, I am planning to buy an N900 today, and I will use it for many things including learning python. this could be a good target project to use for learning python; a gui application to sync N900 with linux. could be easier to use than opensync Jul 04 10:56:18 A GUI wrapper for opensync would be nicer, written in Python :) Jul 04 10:57:42 I'm not sure what opensync is exactly for, but if it's SyncML, there's already SyncEvolution gui client for N900. Jul 04 10:57:48 MohammadAG: np Jul 04 10:58:09 alterego, from my readings so far and asking here, it seems the only way to sync contacts with linux is using syncevolution which is not as simple as using the windows Nokia Suite Jul 04 10:58:11 MiXu-: I think the do similar things. Jul 04 10:58:17 yeah, probably Jul 04 10:58:44 All Ik know is, ubuntu community recommend opensync for syncml Jul 04 10:59:02 Also, I think the issue is more on the desktop side :) Jul 04 10:59:41 I don't want to plug my phone to a pc to be able to sync. That's so 2001. :) Jul 04 11:00:02 well, we have to wait until I put my hand on it and see :-) Jul 04 11:00:31 MiXu-, there is always BT and wifi Jul 04 11:01:23 ssh + copy crap from /home/user/.* directories :P Jul 04 11:01:33 Heh Jul 04 11:02:21 mohammadAG, that is just copying =backup, not 'using' two synchronized copies Jul 04 11:02:22 Sod the UI, I'd write an ifup.d script that detects whether my workstation is connected to wifi and does a sync when in home wireless network :) Jul 04 11:02:30 smhar: They're both limited to your home/work/etc. location. Jul 04 11:02:39 Not cool. Jul 04 11:02:51 MfE or SyncML over http rule :) Jul 04 11:02:57 smhar, that's the hardcore way of doing it :p Jul 04 11:02:57 :) Jul 04 11:03:13 MohammadAG: I'd use rsync for that. Jul 04 11:03:26 my experience with it was... meh Jul 04 11:03:32 Better than just cloning every time :D Jul 04 11:03:50 I actually already do something similar for images and videos on my N900 Jul 04 11:04:05 alterego, use diff -u - Jul 04 11:04:09 -N Jul 04 11:04:20 When I'm connected via usb or on the same wifi as my laptop it syncs images and videos Jul 04 11:04:36 I should probably include other locations mind you. Jul 04 11:04:51 * MohammadAG wants to backup his /dev/mtd5 Jul 04 11:05:06 I tried dd once, but it failed for some reason Jul 04 11:05:15 I wonder if I had it mounted Jul 04 11:05:22 Probably :P Jul 04 11:05:32 That's where dual booting comes in handy :) Jul 04 11:05:44 ... Jul 04 11:05:50 I dd'd it from fedora Jul 04 11:07:50 guys, all those methods are fine, but what they do is just make/update a copy of your data, specifically contatcs Jul 04 11:08:00 guys, all those methods are fine, but what they do is just make/update a copy of your data, specifically contacts and calender in the computer Jul 04 11:08:25 I am talking of making those copies usable in the computer Jul 04 11:08:49 smhar: we know, I don't even use it to backup my contacts. I actually don't use evolution on my laptop tbh. My N900 is my PIM Jul 04 11:09:04 I should at least back it up more regularly though. Jul 04 11:09:49 alterego, what if it crashed and you lost them? Jul 04 11:10:50 smhar: I'd be buggered :P Jul 04 11:10:53 lol Jul 04 11:11:23 Luckily my care free attitude stops me from caring :) Jul 04 11:11:40 I only really care about contacts and data. Jul 04 11:11:51 And I export contacts pretty regularly. Jul 04 11:16:12 did anyone manage to make MfE work with google contacts? Jul 04 11:18:22 * alterego spits "google schmoogle" :P Jul 04 11:18:39 the sync always fails Jul 04 11:18:43 :( Jul 04 11:25:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=740273#post740273 Jul 04 11:26:29 OMG Jul 04 11:26:53 kerio: it's a bit dodgy since 1.2, from what I can tell. it works for me as long as a start with a clean device and don't try to merge any contacts with IM-contacts Jul 04 11:28:55 DocScrutinizer, lol expected to have to use i2cset for that Jul 04 11:29:32 nah, I like to do new stuff every once in a while :-) Jul 04 11:29:53 Hahah Jul 04 11:31:12 hungry, but yet again I put geeking above food. Jul 04 11:31:23 This might be why I'm not a fat bastard ... Jul 04 11:32:07 I can't take it anymore, I need a bacon sandwich!!! Jul 04 11:34:47 DocScrutinizer, Your instructions make it sound like a fun game to play. Lets play "Which noob will stuff up first!" :P Jul 04 11:35:15 I've generally found big bold red text doesn't put them off for some reason. Jul 04 11:36:00 Termana: then it's exactly what I intended to do Jul 04 11:37:00 as stated inside the big red: I don't see how this procedure could be harmful (except for fs corruption as mentioned on bottom in bold) Jul 04 11:38:31 Heh Jul 04 11:38:38 hi evrybody Jul 04 11:39:34 Hi Dr Nick! Jul 04 11:40:22 Oh, it's thank god we ditched the Americans day :D Jul 04 11:41:26 DocScrutinizer: the one place I could use it will never have mains power, doh ;) Jul 04 11:41:51 somebody knows how can I sync all data of my contact with something ( thunderbird, google or my own server) Jul 04 11:42:02 Nadley: yes Jul 04 11:42:12 I'm thinking of making an external battery pack, that plugs into the microUSB Jul 04 11:42:29 asj: I listen you Jul 04 11:42:32 Actually, I'll probably use the normal non-usb Nokia charger connector to make it work with other handsets. Jul 04 11:43:07 Nadley: oh you want to know how too? ;) Use MFE or download the SyncML program (never used it though) Jul 04 11:43:24 Anyone got any good solutions for mounting N900 on a bike? Jul 04 11:43:36 tape Jul 04 11:43:40 Heh Jul 04 11:43:47 alterego: 2 screws through the back cover is how the Nokia chalenge guys did it Jul 04 11:43:56 Eesh Jul 04 11:43:58 * MohammadAG shrugs Jul 04 11:44:06 Not good over rough terrain I imagine Jul 04 11:44:07 alterego: get a carrying case for N900 andsecure it on the bike somehow? Jul 04 11:44:09 alterego: oh, away from the phone, not into the phone Jul 04 11:44:18 is the back cover that good? Jul 04 11:44:18 :P Jul 04 11:44:20 asj_: hahah, yeah, guess that :P Jul 04 11:44:38 scewing through lion batteries negatively affect their performance, fyi Jul 04 11:44:44 I think I'll machine a holder myself, with suspension. Jul 04 11:44:50 who would've though Jul 04 11:44:56 t Jul 04 11:45:10 asj : I tried MFE with my google account it works but it doesn't sync IM data about my contacts :s. And SyncML I don't know if those data will be sync. Jul 04 11:45:17 Make a proto in wood, then I'll probably shape some aluminum. Jul 04 11:45:28 Nadley: www.nuevasync.com Jul 04 11:45:47 alterego: fiberglass :) Jul 04 11:46:08 foam+epoxy, wet layup, voiala :) Jul 04 11:46:19 hi there Jul 04 11:46:32 is there any problem with the maemo repository ? Jul 04 11:46:38 DocScrutinizer, end up choosing and installing a distro for your EEE? Jul 04 11:46:42 asj_: ok I tried it thanks Jul 04 11:47:13 asj_: I've got some of that actually :) Jul 04 11:47:15 alterego: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-Leather-Side-Flip-Case-Pouch-Cover-Nokia-N900-/290427511450?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item439ed4229a Jul 04 11:47:47 I'm trying apt-get update but it is stuck on repository.maemo.org and then says it fails to resolv it ... Jul 04 11:48:07 joa_: try disconnecting your internet connection and reconnecting it Jul 04 11:48:39 Also when I sync with MFE the birthday date of my contact change from one day, for exemple somebody birth 06/22/1988 will be birth 06/23/1988 Jul 04 11:48:44 altwell I have nothing Jul 04 11:49:00 to loos* Jul 04 11:49:01 Termana: chosen a really not suiting one, but thanks for the installer - works like a charm Jul 04 11:49:53 Nadley: so N900 makes people younger? :) Jul 04 11:50:03 "the elixir of life" Jul 04 11:50:24 interesting bug tbh. Never noticed it. Jul 04 11:51:00 kpel: may be but it is not cool because if I want to celebrate a brithday I'll be late :d Jul 04 11:51:29 yes, it's not cool at all Jul 04 11:51:31 Anyway, I just bought a new bikke, which is why I Want to mount my N900 on it :) Jul 04 11:51:44 I'll have to make the case splash proof too. Jul 04 11:52:05 i find that not mounting things to bike helps them last longer Jul 04 11:55:26 It'll be fine .. Jul 04 11:55:30 Unless I fall off... Jul 04 11:55:43 And it's insured :) Jul 04 11:56:34 the weird thing is that I can ping repository.maemo.org just fine (altough 40ms response time) Jul 04 11:58:30 alterego: new bike? Jul 04 11:58:39 crashanddie: yeah :) Jul 04 11:58:47 alterego: pics? Jul 04 11:58:50 spec? Jul 04 11:59:08 Not yet, it's actually at my parents, should be receiving it during the week Jul 04 11:59:23 It's quite cheap and nasty tbh, 280 quid Jul 04 11:59:36 ah :) Jul 04 12:00:03 you do realise for just a couple hundred more, you get a bike that'll last you over a decade? Jul 04 12:00:19 My dad actually got it, so I know not a lot about it at all. Alu frame; got some road tires for it. No suspension but I've never been too fussed with that. Jul 04 12:00:20 alterego: gears? Jul 04 12:00:34 Not sure, I'm guessing 21 Jul 04 12:00:43 nha, suspension isn't needed if you're not going to do mountainbiking Jul 04 12:00:52 Yeah Jul 04 12:00:55 even I'm a pretty avid single tracker, and have no suspension Jul 04 12:01:04 It is a mountain style frame and bars Jul 04 12:01:43 So I might get some bars as I'm more comfortable cycling with my hands side on tbh Jul 04 12:01:58 the problem is that between the loss of power you get with a cheapo suspension, and the price you have to fork out for good suspension (count between 250 and 500 quid for a good suspension fork), it's usually a lot better and cheaper to go for no suspension Jul 04 12:02:13 Yeah Jul 04 12:02:19 adds a lot of weight, the cheap ones do. Jul 04 12:03:02 tbh, I wouldn't have cared if it was a crappy 4th hand 50 quid purchase, I just want to get back on the road :D Jul 04 12:03:09 plus, you can have all the suspension in the world, if you don't know how to absorb shocks by yourself (our knees and elbows are actually pretty good), you'll end up with a broken back Jul 04 12:03:09 And the weather has been so great recently .. Jul 04 12:03:24 crashanddie: hah, for sure Jul 04 12:03:30 alterego: are you in london? Jul 04 12:03:36 Cambridge Jul 04 12:03:38 ah Jul 04 12:03:44 Well, about 8 miles out Jul 04 12:03:58 dunno about cmbr, but in London, you can actually go to auctions the met police holds for stolen bikes Jul 04 12:04:10 Yeah, they do that here too :) Jul 04 12:04:16 you can get a good 300 quid bike for roughly 60-100 Jul 04 12:04:39 it's where I got a cheapo push bike for commuting in the city (from train station to work) Jul 04 12:04:40 That actually didn't occur to me, maybe when I get more serious I'll look ingot something better, Jul 04 12:04:47 Sweet Jul 04 12:04:50 You in London? Jul 04 12:04:54 used to be Jul 04 12:05:01 then moved to australia, now back in France Jul 04 12:05:33 well, whenever you're interested in getting a good bike, feel free to start a topic on tmo Jul 04 12:05:36 I'd be happy to chime in Jul 04 12:06:25 Cool, I've got a mate who used to work in a bike shop. He knows a lot and has given me good advice in the past. He personally tends to go for bikes that are about 2 grand though and custom built by him :D Jul 04 12:06:45 And then he complains when they get stolen ... Jul 04 12:06:55 (FYI, I'm more in favour of "solid and durable" rather than "cutting edge and expensive". For example, I have a single chain with the gears inside the rear hub. Prevents derailing, and prevents a lot of breakage when doing single track Jul 04 12:07:29 I think he said that he's had 6 bikes stolen, totelling something like 15 grand in total. And he's only ever had one found and returned. Jul 04 12:07:36 Even though they're all pretty unique :/ Jul 04 12:07:47 then he needs to use a lock? Jul 04 12:08:01 Hahah, he needs to stop getting pissed and leaving the bikes locked outside of pubs :P Jul 04 12:08:09 Locks to crap all round here, Jul 04 12:08:25 I think Cambridge is one of the worst places to live when it comes to bike theft :D Jul 04 12:08:41 meh, I've parked my (good) bike in London plenty of times, even in rough areas, and the worse I had stolen was my saddle Jul 04 12:08:41 They're quick with their bolt cutters pikey bastards .. Jul 04 12:08:57 bolt cutters won't go through a good SRA-approved lock Jul 04 12:09:04 but yeah, it means you have to push 150 quid on a lock Jul 04 12:09:10 Hah Jul 04 12:09:22 And how heavy would that lock be? :P Jul 04 12:09:29 relatively heavy Jul 04 12:09:39 price also pays for cheaper materials Jul 04 12:09:47 s/cheaper/lighter/ Jul 04 12:09:47 crashanddie meant: price also pays for lighter materials Jul 04 12:10:06 I've got a dlock, stops them walking off with it but it wouldn't hold up against a bolt cutter :D Jul 04 12:10:23 So I don't plan on leaving my bike unattended in places where it's likely to get stolen ... Jul 04 12:10:49 Like outside a pub in the middle of town all night :D Jul 04 12:12:23 that apt-get update issue : can it be caused by the wifi connection somehow ? Jul 04 12:12:56 I use a hardened steel u-lock, won't go through it with a bolt cutter Jul 04 12:13:15 maybe using the old pipe trick, or jack, and obviously power tools Jul 04 12:13:29 (I'm sorry to bother you with this but I'm in deep ****, I have to write a report on a project for tomorrow and can't even compile my app to make some screenshots ...) Jul 04 12:14:19 alterego: if you can, invest in an o-lock Jul 04 12:14:24 joa_: ah, last minute woes, I remember those :P Jul 04 12:14:37 crashanddie: I'll keep it in mind, money is a little tight at the moment. Jul 04 12:15:00 alterego: try to imagine how handcuffs work. The lock slides across the closing buckle, which means that as you tighten the lock, you remove space for any other thief to insert their tools Jul 04 12:15:36 this is probably the most secure lock around as we speak Jul 04 12:15:38 crashanddie: I've never thought of it like that, but yeah, that'sgood food for thought. Jul 04 12:15:41 only power tools will go through it Jul 04 12:16:11 alterego: well, worse that bolt cutters is the old pipe trick I spoke of. They take a bike metal pipe of 3 meters or something, and just twist the lock to shit Jul 04 12:16:17 (usually damaging the bike too) Jul 04 12:16:29 err, "a big metal pipe" Jul 04 12:16:35 Yeah Jul 04 12:20:11 joa_: try activating a gprs connection, then do "host whatever_server_you_cannot_resolve" Jul 04 12:20:42 joa_: that will tell you if there is something wrong with your wifi setup. Jul 04 12:21:02 kpel, I did mention I was using the scratchbox, didn't I? Jul 04 12:21:12 kpel, I didn't ... silly me Jul 04 12:21:20 alterego: get a u-lock or o-lock for the back-wheel and frame (most expensive, roughly 30 quid), then a cable lock (simple cable, 10 quid) that you lock your front wheel, and pass through your saddle too. Attach that to the u-lock, and you're safe. Jul 04 12:23:08 sweet Jul 04 12:23:15 Now all I need is my bike Jul 04 12:23:33 Think I'll go and collect it tomorrow :) Jul 04 12:25:18 i'd like a simple pager alarm if bike is disturbed Jul 04 12:26:15 Well, N900's are getting so cheap now that could probably be arranged ;) Jul 04 12:27:04 Actually, in my previous job, I worked with a device called a "Tellme" board, which had relay contacts and also contact closure switches, and you could set up the board to notify you of changes via SMS Jul 04 12:27:10 Or poll it for changes via SMS Jul 04 12:27:11 ok..what is the price now? the cheaper I found here is $544 Jul 04 12:27:21 i'm surprised nobody started yelling "Arduino! Arduino!" yet Jul 04 12:27:25 It ran off of an on board battery that lasts about a month Jul 04 12:27:45 And it would probably fit into an area under your saddle, or inside the actualy frame quite easily .. :) Jul 04 12:28:43 It also had temperature sensors, would be cool if you could plug in a GPS, though that's pushing it a bit far :) Jul 04 12:29:18 Otoh, provided the divce isn't disturbed, cell info would be probably good enough to track it for the police .. Jul 04 12:29:44 depends on the NW density Jul 04 12:30:20 but if the device sends all the cells in its active set, plus signal strength from each, then it becomes easier to work out the location Jul 04 12:32:46 gps modules are quite cheap Jul 04 12:32:49 I think a bit of analysis whilst it's in motion would work. Jul 04 12:32:52 no point innot adding one Jul 04 12:33:01 And you;';re missingthe point Jul 04 12:33:04 SpeedEvil: this specific board I have in mind wont interface with that .. Jul 04 12:33:22 While in principle, you can do cell positioning like that - it's not setup to do so Jul 04 12:33:33 So? Jul 04 12:33:45 AVR+GPS+GSM Jul 04 12:34:06 AVR? Jul 04 12:35:31 i thought the idea was to use what is vailable Jul 04 12:35:40 *available Jul 04 12:44:46 AVR is to arduino as lego is to legolas. Jul 04 12:44:48 err Jul 04 12:44:52 lego is to legoland Jul 04 12:45:40 lol Jul 04 12:46:16 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22969 Jul 04 12:46:22 for example - gps tracker Jul 04 12:46:28 they're coming down in price a lot Jul 04 12:54:52 SpeedEvil: oh, that's sweet, and pretty cheap Jul 04 12:55:45 SpeedEvil: not sure how big it is though .. Jul 04 12:56:21 There are similar smaller ones. Jul 04 12:59:35 Sparkfun is good as an indicative 'what's available' site. Jul 04 12:59:39 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=4 Jul 04 12:59:51 though often you canby shopping around get stuff at half the price Jul 04 13:14:33 crashanddie: did you want to get back in mod costume now or not? Jul 04 13:14:54 got a fancy clown nose to add :) Jul 04 13:19:36 chem|st: it goes well with a little mustachio Jul 04 13:19:36 chem|st: you seem to be doing fine Jul 04 13:23:13 BTW, anyone using OpenGLES on N900? Jul 04 13:23:21 s/using/programming in Jul 04 13:24:04 little fragments of RST38h Jul 04 13:24:08 moin btw Jul 04 13:24:27 I remember seeing a while ago a Qt custom widget example where they created an analog dial. Jul 04 13:24:36 Anyone know where this is? I can't find it through google for scht ... Jul 04 13:24:45 hardly analog :P Jul 04 13:24:56 unless Qt is older than I thought it was Jul 04 13:25:52 lol Jul 04 13:26:11 I wonder if it was in the Qt book actually .. Jul 04 13:26:14 * alterego checks Jul 04 13:26:15 moses was a qt developer Jul 04 13:27:36 Yes, and the 10 commandments where exactly that, his first hello world :D Jul 04 13:28:19 he didnt like the first patch supplied by god Jul 04 13:28:40 so they scrapped that idea and did some extreme buddy programming to come up with a better example Jul 04 13:30:42 I can't even find the freakin' Qt book any more .. Jul 04 13:31:07 Ah, found it ... Jul 04 13:31:15 Qt for dummies Jul 04 13:35:11 crashanddie: it was analog like the "analog clock" widget is Jul 04 13:35:19 Qt 2 I think? Jul 04 13:35:34 luke-jr: I think your sarcasm meter is broken Jul 04 13:35:37 :) Jul 04 13:39:17 crashanddie: right... no we don't Jul 04 13:39:41 chem|st: you're having trouble? Jul 04 13:43:41 crashanddie: if we get like 20 more mods each has to do a bit... Jul 04 13:43:58 crashanddie: it is getting more every day Jul 04 13:44:12 then launch a campaign\ Jul 04 13:44:20 campaign to recrute people Jul 04 13:44:21 I recognized lots of <10 posts people Jul 04 13:45:03 just op the top of the userlist Jul 04 13:45:04 we got 3 out of that last time so I'd like to talk people I think of doing good in to it ;) Jul 04 13:45:12 _0x47 to apoi Jul 04 13:45:15 or so Jul 04 13:45:32 easily exploitable Jul 04 13:45:36 :p Jul 04 13:45:46 <_MohammadAG> see? Jul 04 13:47:11 we have an unusually low op:total ratio in #anime today Jul 04 13:47:13 just under 50% Jul 04 13:48:14 there, now exactly 50% Jul 04 13:48:20 so 1 op, 2 users :p Jul 04 13:48:24 luke-jr: we're talking about mods, nop ops Jul 04 13:48:39 lcuk: 39/78 ops Jul 04 13:49:06 that's bollocks, really Jul 04 13:49:12 it's all just about e-peen Jul 04 13:49:18 lol Jul 04 13:49:20 I know I ask this in the wrong channel, but how do I do something similar to php's $object->$functionname() in python with it's self-object Jul 04 13:50:12 crashanddie: in practice, it tends to work Jul 04 13:50:24 there is no practice Jul 04 13:50:46 luke-jr: look at this channel, one op can handle the full activity of the 500 users Jul 04 13:51:00 Trizt: self.function() Jul 04 13:51:19 crashanddie: except when that one op is gone? Jul 04 13:51:21 maybe you attract a lot of /b/tards, but even then, you don't need more than 10 ops in any channel freenode will allow Jul 04 13:51:41 you just need to cover the timezones intelligently, and rarely need 39 ops for that Jul 04 13:51:50 alterego; I have the functions name in the variable, I get "object has no attribute 'ckn'" Jul 04 13:52:06 4-5 ops is just right Jul 04 13:52:07 or just op anyone remotely trustworthy and deop those who abuse it Jul 04 13:52:34 Trizt: oh, you want a function reference from a variable container it's name Jul 04 13:52:55 Trizt: f = self.__dict__[variable]; f() Jul 04 13:53:09 alterego; thanks Jul 04 13:53:19 lcuk: mourning indeed Jul 04 13:53:27 alterego: does that pass self correctly? Jul 04 13:53:32 as the first argument, I mean Jul 04 13:53:36 lcuk: Anyway, I need to render into a texture or a pixmap Jul 04 13:53:41 luke-jr: yes, as it's already bound I believe Jul 04 13:53:52 lcuk: Tried the methods prescribed by TI, but none of them work Jul 04 13:54:01 Where as, SomeClass.__dict__[blah] would not be .. Jul 04 13:54:29 alterego; it worked :) you saved me hours of time as I don't have to make a load of if...elseif...else Jul 04 13:54:37 Trizt: :) Jul 04 13:57:14 Teeheehee, custom widgets in Qt are really nice Jul 04 13:57:23 Now it's all starting to make sense ... Jul 04 13:57:51 * Trizt suxx so much in making graphics so he will just use default widgets Jul 04 13:58:13 you just need to cover the timezones intelligently, and rarely need 39 ops for that Jul 04 13:58:22 only 24 timezones, so 24 ops Jul 04 13:58:42 MohammadAG: nope, you hardly have people awake only 1h per day Jul 04 13:58:44 Trizt: unfortunately the app I'm working on requires, well, pretty mnuch 80% custom widgets :D Jul 04 13:58:51 crashanddie, what id you do Jul 04 13:58:53 if* Jul 04 13:59:06 MohammadAG: then you're not an op ;) Jul 04 13:59:36 heh Jul 04 14:00:06 alterego; my app would look nicer with some custom widgets, but that has to come later, now I'll just settle for default ones, learn some basic python and qt. Jul 04 14:00:39 one thing that troubles me is that everything don't look the same on the n900 as it does on my computer Jul 04 14:00:51 RST38h, ive got an example here that makes textures based on algorithmic shader Jul 04 14:01:03 not quite what you need - are you wanting to pump live bitmaps into it? Jul 04 14:01:14 Trizt: yeah, well, if you using Python+PyQt/PySide, I actually just edit the files directly on the device and run them on the device. Jul 04 14:01:19 change font size from 10 to 9, makes a litte difference on the computer, on the n900 it's like half the size Jul 04 14:02:36 RST38h, also, in qt phonon - there is a yuv->rgb conversion shader, taking data in main memory i assume and showing it as a texture within 3d world. if it can give you any hints to get what you need: http://qt.gitorious.com/qt/qt/blobs/master/src/3rdparty/phonon/gstreamer/glrenderer.cpp#line213 Jul 04 14:03:06 and if you do get some hints please be posting them openly :P Jul 04 14:04:16 alterego; what size do you set on the frame if you use the app in a way where you have the title bar visible (not full screen) Jul 04 14:04:53 Trizt: what frame? Jul 04 14:05:37 mainWindow.resize(x,y) Jul 04 14:05:38 Trizt: are you talking about what size is the main windows allocation if run in non fullscreen mode? Jul 04 14:05:51 * Trizt nods Jul 04 14:06:05 Trizt: well, in the absence of actually knowing where the doc is Jul 04 14:06:15 You can do: print window.width() Jul 04 14:06:24 and print: window.height() on the device and find out yourself :P Jul 04 14:06:34 Hang on, I'll do it :P Jul 04 14:06:42 okey, Jul 04 14:06:57 otherwise I could have just switched to another window Jul 04 14:07:42 800x424 Jul 04 14:08:29 I don't seem to get out that much space, I was running a 800x400, but that too don't feel the right size Jul 04 14:09:11 lcuk: No, this is not what I need... Jul 04 14:09:29 ok RST38h Jul 04 14:09:37 lcuk: What I need is draw to a large texture (1024x512) using GLES Jul 04 14:09:48 lcuk: And then show just a PART of this texture to the user Jul 04 14:09:52 ok, so the texture will be modified once per frame Jul 04 14:10:04 by your flatland code (like mine) Jul 04 14:10:08 lcuk: Alternatively, this can probably be done without textures if I have direct access to the off-screen rendering buffer Jul 04 14:10:10 and then presented Jul 04 14:10:33 lcuk: the key part there is "drawing to the texture with GLES" Jul 04 14:10:48 We do this for Fennec somehow. Jul 04 14:11:14 moo, derf Jul 04 14:11:21 I have so far found two ways to do this: Jul 04 14:11:56 1) Frame Buffer Objects (found in GLES extensions) - my program will not link, as it does not find the proper functions (like GenFramebuffersOES()) in GLES_CM Jul 04 14:12:56 2) EGL piximages, used as textures - I am forced to create a new context for the pixmap, and attempts to use pixmaps from that context for textures in my main context seem to fail Jul 04 14:13:01 RST38h, i draw to a texture using a shader Jul 04 14:13:10 phonon draws to a texture using a shader Jul 04 14:13:14 lcuk: As I said, it is not exactly the same thing Jul 04 14:13:19 No shader here. Jul 04 14:13:45 perhaps the shader is the part you need to get it working ? :) Jul 04 14:13:52 No, not really. Jul 04 14:14:01 to push your data onto the texture? Jul 04 14:14:06 FBO is the "normal" way to do this. Jul 04 14:14:07 No shader will render arbitrary GLES primitives for me :) Jul 04 14:14:23 What GLES primitives? Jul 04 14:14:29 derf: strings libGLES_CM.so |grep GenFramebuffersOES shows me that the function is there Jul 04 14:14:31 does gles have primatives? Jul 04 14:14:34 You have to use shaders to render anything using GLES .. Jul 04 14:14:36 derf: But the linker does not find it Jul 04 14:14:47 lcuk: polygones, lines, points, textured or not. Jul 04 14:15:14 You have to use shaders, that's if you're using GLES 2, I think you can use dumb OpenGL implementation with GLES 1.x Jul 04 14:15:32 * RST38h would rather not spend time explaining the difference between GLES 1.1 and GLES 2.0 and why shaders have nothing to do with using plain GLES functions to draw stuff Jul 04 14:15:55 RST38h: well, what are you using? GLES 1 or 2? Jul 04 14:16:09 GLES 1.1 (libGLES_CM.so) Jul 04 14:16:30 RST38h, not askign you to, but everywhere i looked primatives are said to not work and most everything has to be done with shaders - hence my and alterego's mentioning Jul 04 14:16:31 Okay, and you're using old school style primitives? glVertex3f() functions and stuff? Jul 04 14:16:42 No Jul 04 14:16:49 * MohammadAG slaps noobmonk3y with a lcuk Jul 04 14:17:07 I am using glDrawArrays() and friends Jul 04 14:17:10 RST38h, :) happy to hear it then Jul 04 14:17:16 RST38h: okay, cool. Jul 04 14:17:28 And you've bound your texture? Jul 04 14:17:33 alterego: derf is absolutely correct - it has to be done with FBOs Jul 04 14:17:36 misconception #1 DELETED Jul 04 14:17:38 * noobmonk3y giggles Jul 04 14:17:39 but FBOs do not work Jul 04 14:17:46 * noobmonk3y slaps frals with a lcuk shaped trout Jul 04 14:17:48 hey noobmonk3y \o Jul 04 14:17:54 * lcuk was concentrating Jul 04 14:18:00 Hrm .. Jul 04 14:18:03 hey hey! Jul 04 14:18:05 Yes, you are right .. Jul 04 14:18:11 Unfortunately the patches to enable all of this stuff in Fennec are in some random bug that I can't find. Jul 04 14:18:34 Otherwise you'd have to upload yoru texture every frame. Jul 04 14:18:34 The next suggested method is EGL eglCreatePbufferSurface() but it does not seem to work either Jul 04 14:18:42 Hah Jul 04 14:18:48 I thought pbuffers were going away. Jul 04 14:19:00 alterego: EGL allows you to bind existing pbuffer to a texture Jul 04 14:19:10 RST38h: what do you use to create your rendering context? Jul 04 14:19:15 derf: Maybe they were, but the Maemo GLES implementation still has them Jul 04 14:19:32 aterego: I am getting my main (displayable) context from SDL_GLES Jul 04 14:19:46 Right, okay. Jul 04 14:20:00 alterego: As for the pbuffer context, I am using eglChooseConfig+eglCreateContext Jul 04 14:20:41 RST38h: when are you doing that? Jul 04 14:20:48 init GL function? Jul 04 14:20:50 Using SDL's context does not appear to work: it fails when I call eglMakeCurrent(display,pbuffer,pbuffer,sdl_context) Jul 04 14:20:59 Doing it during initialization Jul 04 14:21:20 Do you have a GL context at that point? Jul 04 14:21:24 yes Jul 04 14:21:27 As in, is it selected? Jul 04 14:21:31 ? Jul 04 14:21:33 Or whatever you'd call it .. Jul 04 14:21:44 Well, the SDL makes its context current Jul 04 14:21:46 Well, GL functions only work if your GL context is current. Jul 04 14:22:26 Yeah, just wondering if you might have a similar issue to what I had with QtOpenGL, which is the openGL context isn't for instance active in the constructor of a class :) Jul 04 14:22:53 And I found that I couldn't create my gl objects. Jul 04 14:23:34 RST38h: What is the error it gives? Jul 04 14:23:38 * lcuk curses lack of proper portrait oriented stand Jul 04 14:25:40 derf: Which one? FBO? Jul 04 14:25:42 Oh, I've just had a neat idea for my custom widget ... Jul 04 14:25:55 derf: Or attempt to make SDL-supplied GL context current, with pbuffers? Jul 04 14:26:07 eglMakeCurrent Jul 04 14:26:09 Pi * r ** 2 is circumferance right? Jul 04 14:26:15 (Of a circle)? Jul 04 14:26:19 derf: 0x3009, aka BAD-MATCH Jul 04 14:26:20 Or is that area Jul 04 14:26:33 alterego: it is the area Jul 04 14:26:42 Right, so your pixmap is incompatible with the context. Jul 04 14:26:42 2pr is the circumference Jul 04 14:26:44 Damnit, what's the circ? Jul 04 14:26:47 2pr right :D Jul 04 14:26:53 thankyou Jul 04 14:27:05 derf: I tried multiple different pixmap formats, they all end up the same =( Jul 04 14:28:57 How can I mount the n900 in Debian Lenny? Jul 04 14:31:09 lsusb: Bus 007 Device 004: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) Jul 04 14:31:53 egerpaul_: when you plug it in, if you type 'dmesg' you should see it register a block device called sdX Jul 04 14:31:57 found the device in dmseg: [13544.043940] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk Jul 04 14:32:15 Right, so, mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt Jul 04 14:32:30 it's probably just sdc Jul 04 14:32:47 Cheers guys! Jul 04 14:32:50 Oh yeah, if it's the internal drive. Jul 04 14:32:57 * noobmonk3y prods MohammadAG Jul 04 14:32:58 I hve a MicroSD too .. :) Jul 04 14:33:37 * MohammadAG probes noobmonk3y for BIOS drivers Jul 04 14:33:47 ~fsck noobmonk3y Jul 04 14:33:49 e2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains idiots! Jul 04 14:33:53 * noobmonk3y lol's Jul 04 14:34:07 MohammadAG, ... you geek! Jul 04 14:34:17 hmm, still has errors Jul 04 14:34:19 ~fsck noobmonk3y Jul 04 14:34:20 e2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! Jul 04 14:34:22 :) Jul 04 14:34:22 RST38h: Well, unfortunately I'm not the one who got any of this working for Fennec. Jul 04 14:34:24 fixed Jul 04 14:34:30 Heh Jul 04 14:34:30 * noobmonk3y slaps MohammadAG with a dumbass Jul 04 14:34:43 how dare you slap me with a noobmonk3y Jul 04 14:34:44 Though, IIRC, even when it was working, what we were tryingt do at least was unbearably slow. Jul 04 14:34:47 lol! Jul 04 14:34:52 *trying to Jul 04 14:35:02 hmm Jul 04 14:35:07 my lappy's breaking down Jul 04 14:35:08 goody Jul 04 14:35:57 all those goats you have been looking at Jul 04 14:36:21 lol screw you, it's not my problem if youtube got hacked Jul 04 14:36:57 youtube didnt get hacked Jul 04 14:37:13 its just some javascript Jul 04 14:37:22 html in comments Jul 04 14:37:46 vanadismobile, thats a hack - people can goto youtube expecting reasonably safe experience and be redirected elsewhere Jul 04 14:38:05 it's too easy for a hack Jul 04 14:38:36 why did it take years to do then? :) Jul 04 14:38:40 a hack is a hack Jul 04 14:38:50 damn you, I was typing that Jul 04 14:38:59 derf: If I at least could directly access the render buffer contents... Jul 04 14:39:01 * lcuk types faster Jul 04 14:39:17 lcuk, that's why you didn't do that challenge I gave you Jul 04 14:39:18 :) Jul 04 14:39:31 which challenge? Jul 04 14:39:32 :D Jul 04 14:39:42 Oh well Jul 04 14:39:50 RST38h: You can use a TI extension called bc-cat, but I wouldn't recommend it. Jul 04 14:39:50 * RST38h sighs and goes out Jul 04 14:39:59 * lcuk is looking at 2 completely different patches to achieve same goal and wondering which to use Jul 04 14:40:10 lcuk, http://www.typingtest.com/ 1 minute - text is test instructions Jul 04 14:40:13 why, the right one of course Jul 04 14:40:50 http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide Jul 04 14:41:39 Hi, I am trying to flash my n900 [operating system Debian; program flasher-3.5; target: flashing emmc and root] but unfortunately when I run the flashed, I get "USB device found found at bus 001, device address 005. Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted" and the flasher program abruptly ends Jul 04 14:41:52 ahha! Jul 04 14:41:53 run it as root Jul 04 14:41:56 derf: thanks Jul 04 14:41:57 su root Jul 04 14:42:01 oh! okay Jul 04 14:42:03 damn! Jul 04 14:42:11 yawn Jul 04 14:42:14 RST38h: You won't thank me when you actually start trying to get it working. Jul 04 14:42:14 also, don't boot up in between if you plan to Jul 04 14:42:21 i.e don't use -R Jul 04 14:42:34 okay Jul 04 14:42:45 glee is kind of funny Jul 04 14:42:48 thanks, stupid mistake Jul 04 14:45:22 Does anyone know what the folder with the phone icon is named? Jul 04 14:47:02 MohammadAG, 58 51 56 for 3 different runs Jul 04 14:47:50 lcuk, 81 -> 71 (adjusted), 58 on my N900 Jul 04 14:48:15 * lcuk types faster <- NOT :P Jul 04 14:48:24 * lcuk does not type other peoples text well Jul 04 14:49:08 excuses excuses Jul 04 14:49:42 heh Jul 04 14:49:50 derf: I have read it - does not look like it is something worth trying =( Jul 04 14:50:14 We tried it. Jul 04 14:50:36 hm. only 1.5TB free on my fileserver Jul 04 14:50:37 It would do fun things like randomly crash the first time you ran the program, but work the second time. Jul 04 14:50:44 :( guess I'm going to have to start deleting stuff Jul 04 14:50:44 And sometimes just reboot your device for no reason. Jul 04 14:50:53 When it wasn't rebooting your device every time, that is. Jul 04 14:54:45 git diff gives me a diff, but if i want to diff 2 folders using normal "diff" what command options do i use to get the same diff format? Jul 04 14:55:32 I have no idea if it's the same, but -Naur should be close enough. Jul 04 14:56:20 cool, thanks derf ill give it a blast Jul 04 15:02:33 stupid question: the data warning applies *every* $number MBs right? Jul 04 15:07:13 As I read it, it was the first only. Jul 04 15:12:05 * lcuk kicks git Jul 04 15:12:26 poor git Jul 04 15:12:34 i want to go back to a specific commit in git (so i can diff something without it looking messy) Jul 04 15:13:02 but i dont want to kill the current branches and everything im seeing talks about rollbacks and stuff being for bad commits Jul 04 15:13:15 its not - i just want to change to it do something then change back to latest Jul 04 15:35:51 Has anyone else had problems using Exchange sync with Google? I got it to work once a month or two ago, but it's failed every time before then and since then Jul 04 15:39:01 Is the auto-builder broken? I keep getting "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" Jul 04 15:39:38 Dragnslicer: doesn't work here Jul 04 15:39:40 at least, for contacts Jul 04 15:40:44 kerio- it worked once for me after the last big version update was rolled out to the N900s Jul 04 15:40:53 No luck since then, though Jul 04 15:41:16 i have another bug with the contacts though Jul 04 15:41:28 heh Jul 04 15:41:29 sometimes the facebook entry in the contacts just disappears Jul 04 15:41:46 it's still tracked though, i see the "online" status Jul 04 15:41:50 facebook entry in the contacts? Jul 04 15:41:53 and i can answer to chats Jul 04 15:42:11 I'd blame Facebook for that first, but that's just me Jul 04 15:42:11 Macer: i open a contact, and there's no "Facebook chat" button Jul 04 15:42:12 do you mean like a contact on the desktop? Jul 04 15:42:15 oh Jul 04 15:42:25 weird. i don't use facebook so i don't know what to tell you ;) Jul 04 15:42:40 i kmow i had a problem wtih the contacts i placed on a desktop not working Jul 04 15:42:53 but i can answer, and "open contact" from within the chat correctly shows the contact Jul 04 15:43:19 i had to add the contact to the desktop while being offline from any im otherwise it would go away on its own if i went offline Jul 04 15:43:23 strange problem Jul 04 15:43:23 Facebook's Jabber gateway is a bit flaky Jul 04 15:43:33 but i don't want to file a bug because it would get marked as irrlevant Jul 04 15:43:37 like bluetooth keyboard support :) Jul 04 15:43:38 haha Jul 04 15:43:43 Heh Jul 04 15:43:45 Dragnslicer: it's not a server problem Jul 04 15:43:54 because if i delete the IM account and then put it back on, it works Jul 04 15:43:58 (after a loooooooong merge) Jul 04 15:44:32 does the USB cable charge slower than the wall charger? Jul 04 15:44:38 yes Jul 04 15:44:38 kerio: yes Jul 04 15:44:49 * Guest44561 stabs nickserv. Jul 04 15:45:01 plus usb cable has to be in a service mode in order to charge faster Jul 04 15:45:19 meaning you HAVE to choose usb mass storage or something to get it to bump the power up from the usb port Jul 04 15:45:26 huh Jul 04 15:45:31 can't i just tap the area above the menu? Jul 04 15:45:31 :/ Jul 04 15:45:38 you can Jul 04 15:45:44 but it won't put it into any type of usb mode Jul 04 15:45:47 and will charge slower Jul 04 15:45:52 a lot slower Jul 04 15:45:59 stupid bme Jul 04 15:46:04 I'm not sure that is true Jul 04 15:46:16 n900evil: i'm pretty sure it is Jul 04 15:46:26 check the usb power output when you charge on teh cable ;) Jul 04 15:47:16 huh Jul 04 15:47:25 500 in "just charge" mode, 500 in pc suite mode Jul 04 15:47:37 i mean, i see it as pc suite anyway Jul 04 15:47:47 (PR1.2) Jul 04 15:47:57 it's not Jul 04 15:48:02 ah well. then i guess iw as mistaken. i remember someone here telling me that was an issue Jul 04 15:48:33 Macer: I comp.ared current as reported by the charge meter chip. Jul 04 15:48:36 where it charges slower if you don't have a usb service going Jul 04 15:48:51 there's a charge meter chip? :) Jul 04 15:48:52 haha Jul 04 15:48:57 When tapping outside or pc suite mode Jul 04 15:48:59 yes Jul 04 15:49:08 it was the same? Jul 04 15:49:11 what about usb storage mode? Jul 04 15:49:13 yes Jul 04 15:49:36 not checked - I have no reason to suspect it'd differ. Jul 04 15:49:45 well then. my bad ;) Jul 04 15:49:55 wtf Jul 04 15:50:08 i just... synced my photos Jul 04 15:50:11 when tapped outside the dialog, I think it pretends to be an empty removable disk Jul 04 15:50:11 and it's in just charge mode Jul 04 15:50:16 WTF Jul 04 15:50:45 i'm browsing it Jul 04 15:56:21 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2010/06/30/10032415.aspx Jul 04 15:56:26 hrm, sounds like nokia Jul 04 15:58:08 i'm serious, "just charge" is a joke Jul 04 15:58:36 is this 1.2 or older? Jul 04 15:58:57 the thing to keep in mind is that usb's limited charging (0.1amp) isn't enough to actually really charge your n900 Jul 04 15:59:04 well, it will, if you wait forever Jul 04 15:59:07 timeless: 1.2 Jul 04 15:59:12 unless you're watching youtube or something Jul 04 15:59:26 so… the n900 has to agree with the host to provide a service Jul 04 15:59:46 what it's supposed to do in certain circumstances is say "hey, i'm a mass storage device, but oh, i don't have any storage today" Jul 04 15:59:55 it shows as a N900 (iSync) here Jul 04 16:00:01 which is a clever way of tricking the host into giving it 0.5 amps instead Jul 04 16:00:03 (osx's system profiler) Jul 04 16:00:07 err Jul 04 16:00:17 * timeless_mbp looks for a micro usb cable Jul 04 16:01:33 and you said your n900 was on? Jul 04 16:01:47 * timeless_mbp presses the power key on an n900 running 1.2 Jul 04 16:02:36 n900 on, i connect it with nokia's usb cable, tap out of the dialogue box to select "just charge Jul 04 16:02:37 " Jul 04 16:02:44 then i open "nokia multimedia transfer" Jul 04 16:02:48 and i can browse the device Jul 04 16:03:08 open with what Jul 04 16:03:26 my laptop Jul 04 16:03:29 os x Jul 04 16:03:31 he's running os x Jul 04 16:03:33 i'll deal w/ him Jul 04 16:03:39 so, first of all Jul 04 16:03:40 * kerio feels like a pariah Jul 04 16:03:47 your criteria for understanding "mass storage" is wrong Jul 04 16:03:51 open file manager on the n900 Jul 04 16:03:58 if you can see Document, Images, etc Jul 04 16:04:02 then you aren't using mass storage Jul 04 16:04:07 i'm not using mass storage Jul 04 16:04:20 i'm using nokia's weird isuite protocol Jul 04 16:04:24 but i shouldn't be Jul 04 16:04:29 why? Jul 04 16:04:29 because i chose "just charge" Jul 04 16:04:36 and not pc suite Jul 04 16:04:40 why the heck do you care? Jul 04 16:04:59 there are only two modes on the n900 Jul 04 16:05:07 mass storage and everything-else Jul 04 16:05:19 then why does it let me pick between *three* modes? Jul 04 16:05:29 there are only two buttons... Jul 04 16:05:36 i can choose "just charge" Jul 04 16:05:44 and it shows as "just charge" in the status menu Jul 04 16:06:06 fwiw, my n900 running pr 1.2 when i tapped out gave me N900 (Storage Mode) in System Profiler.app Jul 04 16:06:15 w/ nothing mounted Jul 04 16:06:25 my n900 says its current state: charging Jul 04 16:06:40 * timeless_mbp goes to find this nokia app for osx Jul 04 16:06:49 (sounds like a terrible idea, but hey, i'm game) Jul 04 16:07:22 afaik it doesn't install extensions Jul 04 16:07:29 it's just a program Jul 04 16:07:58 what's the name again? Jul 04 16:08:04 nokia multimedia transfer Jul 04 16:08:51 it was iirc showing up as a camera Jul 04 16:09:00 pictbridge Jul 04 16:09:10 The Nokia device “N900 (Storage Mode)” is currently connected in a USB mode not supported by Nokia Multimedia Transfer or iSync. Jul 04 16:09:11 some can do browse fs Jul 04 16:09:28 ok, so now it's running (kinda) Jul 04 16:10:18 tapping out still gave me storage mode Jul 04 16:10:22 new in 1.2? Jul 04 16:10:34 SpeedEvil: i can't recall, but at some point we cheated Jul 04 16:10:39 it's storage mode w/ 0 volumes Jul 04 16:10:43 yeah Jul 04 16:10:44 all the power, none of the data :) Jul 04 16:10:47 see above Jul 04 16:11:04 ... removable disk Jul 04 16:11:08 nope, still shows as pc-suite mode here Jul 04 16:11:11 :/ Jul 04 16:11:22 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jul 04 16:11:24 so err Jul 04 16:11:32 how the heck do i use this multimedia transfer thing? Jul 04 16:11:52 pictbridge clit Jul 04 16:11:54 menu on top, tools, device browser Jul 04 16:11:55 client Jul 04 16:11:58 there is someone outside in front of a liquor store making people feel bad for their sins hahahaha Jul 04 16:12:09 SpeedEvil: freudian slip huh Jul 04 16:12:11 Macer, then move on :P Jul 04 16:12:19 you cant change everyones mind Jul 04 16:12:28 nope Jul 04 16:12:35 i just get this stupid transfer setup dialog Jul 04 16:12:39 typing too fast Jul 04 16:12:40 what version are you using? Jul 04 16:12:54 oh, it wants to know all about your device Jul 04 16:12:56 that little bitch Jul 04 16:13:09 1.4.2 (8192) Jul 04 16:13:10 spy ware Jul 04 16:14:08 lcuk: i was in my condo Jul 04 16:14:15 hrm, Nokia Device Browser v1.9 (6304) Jul 04 16:14:19 i was hearing him on a bullhorn Jul 04 16:14:22 * timeless_mbp loves the totally incompatible version numbers Jul 04 16:14:26 :) it was funny Jul 04 16:14:30 timeless_mbp: oh, i was talking about multimedia transfer Jul 04 16:14:39 I've found how to easily read the n900 when sitting in the sun. Jul 04 16:14:47 speaking of multimedia... i need to copy some shows over to my phone Jul 04 16:14:54 It involves a really large towel. Jul 04 16:15:02 i'm glad the n900 has enough power to play xvids Jul 04 16:15:09 the n810 wasn't so good at it Jul 04 16:15:31 i think i have 1.4(.0) Jul 04 16:15:36 power and storage. Jul 04 16:15:36 i should do that decoding power consumption test Jul 04 16:15:53 i still transcode videos if im going somewhere Jul 04 16:16:09 ever hopeful that lower res / simpler decoding will give me a longer battery life Jul 04 16:16:16 well... Jul 04 16:16:35 the dsp supported stuff is so much cheaper Jul 04 16:16:43 kerio: how did you get 1.4.2? Jul 04 16:16:53 http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/software/nokia-multimedia-transfer/download# claims to offer 1.4(.0) Jul 04 16:17:20 and it offers it in a .zip file, because that's how real mac users expect all their apps to be delivered Jul 04 16:17:22 * timeless_mbp sighs Jul 04 16:17:44 * Nadley has is own funambol server but sync it is not as I would like :s Jul 04 16:17:53 well, at least i get to fill out a questionnaire :) Jul 04 16:18:52 timeless_mbp: no idea Jul 04 16:19:34 kerio: did you use nokia.com or nokiausa.com or www.nokia-latinoamerica.com ? Jul 04 16:19:48 oh, click on "search for update" Jul 04 16:20:11 hey, here it is Jul 04 16:20:14 http://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/nokia-multimedia-transfer/download Jul 04 16:20:32 yeah well, glad to see they don't offer it in the usa Jul 04 16:20:34 ... Jul 04 16:20:44 anyone here in the usa wanna do me a favor and call nokia care? Jul 04 16:20:51 haha Jul 04 16:21:03 "your call will be answered in the order it was received" Jul 04 16:21:05 i'll pay for the call :) Jul 04 16:21:13 oh come on Jul 04 16:21:19 apparently i can't enable mass storage mode Jul 04 16:21:20 Hello everyone Jul 04 16:21:22 something is using it Jul 04 16:21:23 isn't nokia care a toll free number? Jul 04 16:21:23 (it should be a +1800 call… but i'll pay for the coffee) Jul 04 16:21:29 but i don't know wtf it is Jul 04 16:21:42 * kerio reboots Jul 04 16:21:44 kerio: well, what's running? Jul 04 16:21:50 nothing Jul 04 16:21:59 wow you seriously have some issues with your phone Jul 04 16:22:01 open xterminal and use lsof Jul 04 16:22:05 it's probably the Camera :) Jul 04 16:22:13 nope, camera is closed Jul 04 16:22:13 does anyone know where conversations stores its chatlogs? Jul 04 16:22:14 (that likes to leave a file handle open) Jul 04 16:22:17 define "closed" Jul 04 16:22:17 oh i see Jul 04 16:22:21 did you use the camera today? Jul 04 16:22:26 because the camera is -stupid- Jul 04 16:22:30 timeless_mbp: doesn't show on the dashboard, lid is closed Jul 04 16:22:39 that's why i'd expect it to be closed, really Jul 04 16:22:39 that doesn't mean the software isn't running Jul 04 16:22:39 :) Jul 04 16:22:51 users… expectations... Jul 04 16:22:54 never the twain shall meet Jul 04 16:22:55 yeah... Jul 04 16:23:09 but you didn't answer the question... Jul 04 16:23:12 did you use it today? Jul 04 16:23:15 yeah Jul 04 16:23:16 i did Jul 04 16:23:25 that should be your culprit Jul 04 16:23:31 damn Jul 04 16:23:37 i knew i shouldn't've used it Jul 04 16:23:46 huh Jul 04 16:23:47 open xterminal (ctrl-shift-x) Jul 04 16:23:50 killall camera-ui Jul 04 16:23:56 but what use is it if you don't use it? Jul 04 16:24:10 ooh, 1.4.2 knows about my n900 Jul 04 16:24:15 this app might not be totally useless Jul 04 16:24:20 (1.4.0 was absolutely useless) Jul 04 16:24:23 wait, what Jul 04 16:24:29 ctrl+shift+x opens the terminal? Jul 04 16:24:33 yes Jul 04 16:24:55 unless you changed it to do something else of course ;) Jul 04 16:24:55 yay, storage mode Jul 04 16:24:58 which bit of camera software breaks mass storage? i use camera lots and also usb storage often to then copy some photos off after taking Jul 04 16:25:11 i dont think ive ever seen the mass storage not available? Jul 04 16:25:14 lcuk: not sure, i think it might be video Jul 04 16:25:21 i do both Jul 04 16:25:23 but basically one of the modes leaves an open file handle for the last snap Jul 04 16:25:32 and thus you can't unmount because it's in use Jul 04 16:25:35 maybe if i was recording Jul 04 16:25:36 which breaks mass storage Jul 04 16:25:38 sure Jul 04 16:25:46 this is after the user has closed the ui! Jul 04 16:25:55 as far as the user is concerned, it's done Jul 04 16:26:05 but it doesnt happen all the time Jul 04 16:26:08 maybe file a bug report about it? Jul 04 16:26:08 * kerio is the user Jul 04 16:26:18 Mandavar: i think i did Jul 04 16:26:19 well i was just gonna ask for an nb# Jul 04 16:26:24 dunno, lcuk can certainly check Jul 04 16:26:31 internal/external, *shrug* Jul 04 16:26:39 heh Jul 04 16:26:58 * timeless_mbp sighs Jul 04 16:27:07 Nokia Device Browser is such a PoS Jul 04 16:27:16 it violates so many conventions, i'm not sure where to start Jul 04 16:27:22 can be an mb# if you like Jul 04 16:27:46 on a totally unrelated note: anyone knows where conversations stores the chatlogs? Jul 04 16:28:02 timeless_mbp: open the activity monitor Jul 04 16:28:06 sort by cpu Jul 04 16:28:25 and do something with nokia multimedia transfer Jul 04 16:28:31 you're scaring me Jul 04 16:29:04 i'm more annoyed that cmd- clicking the title area of Nokia Device Browser doesn't work Jul 04 16:29:14 (and that the title area doesn't reflect the folder i'm looking at w/ icon) Jul 04 16:30:17 eh Jul 04 16:30:22 how hard is it to respond to cmd-q Jul 04 16:30:28 * timeless_mbp kicks the **** out of NDB Jul 04 16:31:24 kerio: so, afaict nokia multimedia transfer has changed it from useless empty storage to pcsuite mode Jul 04 16:31:26 the sad thing is that iphoto doesn't know about my tags and/or geotags Jul 04 16:31:28 that doesn't seem like the wrong thing at all Jul 04 16:31:41 kerio: try picasa? Jul 04 16:31:59 timeless_mbp: it's the wrong thing Jul 04 16:32:04 hrm Jul 04 16:32:05 why? Jul 04 16:32:16 you're running software on your mac asking it to do X Jul 04 16:32:16 if i tell it to be in "just charge" mode i want it to JUST CHARGE THE FUCKING BATTERY Jul 04 16:32:24 on your n900 you tell it "i don't care" Jul 04 16:32:28 timeless_mbp: ok, security issues Jul 04 16:32:32 you didn't tell it "just charge" you said "i don't care" Jul 04 16:32:39 security reasons? Jul 04 16:32:51 i'm using an "unsafe" computer to charge it Jul 04 16:32:58 because i trust the fact that it won't answer to requests Jul 04 16:33:05 because, you know, i'm using "just charge" mode Jul 04 16:33:12 that wasn't in any requirements list anyone here got Jul 04 16:33:26 if you think it's an important use case, i'd suggest you make a note to meego Jul 04 16:33:36 it's not an "important use case" Jul 04 16:33:39 it's just inconsistant Jul 04 16:33:54 tap out means "i don't care" Jul 04 16:34:01 it doesn't mean "do this undocumented thing forever" Jul 04 16:34:50 * timeless_mbp does wonder what the heck nokia did Jul 04 16:34:56 but... i liked that undocumented thing! Jul 04 16:34:59 :( Jul 04 16:35:02 ;)s Jul 04 16:35:13 since quitting the system menubar doesn't rid me of the behavior Jul 04 16:35:14 *;) Jul 04 16:35:57 anyway, if you really want to force it, use a cable that only supports charging :) Jul 04 16:36:10 timeless_mbp: 0.1mA Jul 04 16:36:17 ? Jul 04 16:36:21 oh, yeah well :) Jul 04 16:36:21 er Jul 04 16:36:31 no, that's right Jul 04 16:36:32 that'd be the price you'd pay ;-) Jul 04 16:37:24 fwiw, my translation says 'charging', not 'just charging' Jul 04 16:37:41 but please do feel free to file a bug in bugs.maemo.org Jul 04 16:37:47 it should indicate it's in pc suite mode Jul 04 16:37:53 (when it is) Jul 04 16:37:55 hi kerio Jul 04 16:38:03 I have a question for you kerio Jul 04 16:38:05 please do be sure to indicate in the bug the precise steps to reproduce Jul 04 16:38:07 that includes: Jul 04 16:38:11 1. downloading nmt 1.4.0 Jul 04 16:38:17 2. upgrading to 1.4.2 Jul 04 16:38:22 3. leaving that thing running Jul 04 16:38:26 4. attaching a working data cable Jul 04 16:38:30 5. turning on your n900 Jul 04 16:38:52 6. connecting the n900 to your data cable to your mac running 10.6 w/ nmt running in the menubar Jul 04 16:38:59 7. tapping outside the dialog Jul 04 16:39:07 timeless_mbp: my translation says "just charge" Jul 04 16:39:09 8. opening system information on the mac Jul 04 16:39:19 kerio: i wrote my own translation Jul 04 16:39:22 timeless_mbp: don't write it here, write it in the bug report! Jul 04 16:39:28 not my bug :) Jul 04 16:39:48 lcuk: did you find no trace of the camera bug? Jul 04 16:39:48 what is a mac?:-) Jul 04 16:40:02 oh, do us a favor and specify the mac hardware too ;-) Jul 04 16:40:12 that gives someone the chance to requisition one :) Jul 04 16:40:19 kerio: do you use skype on your N900 ? Jul 04 16:40:23 Nadley: yeah Jul 04 16:41:36 kerio: ok me too but if I delete a contact with skype ID when I'm connected to skype it delete the contact on skype too. Do you have the same trouble ? Jul 04 16:41:56 dunno Jul 04 16:42:03 never deleted a skype contact Jul 04 16:42:12 timeless_mbp: heh, they'll love it Jul 04 16:42:18 i'm on a 17" macbook pro Jul 04 16:42:20 Nadley: that's by design Jul 04 16:42:24 kerio: yep :) Jul 04 16:42:43 Nadley: it's an integrated system Jul 04 16:42:54 if you don't want that behavior, you'll have to disable skype before you munge the contact Jul 04 16:43:04 or just delete everything else Jul 04 16:43:15 i'm fairly certain this is documented in various postings on the web Jul 04 16:43:22 and no, i'm not defending any behaviors here Jul 04 16:43:24 that's never my job Jul 04 16:43:31 timeless_mbp: ok :s. It is very painfull Jul 04 16:43:34 X-Fade: ping.... maemo.org OBS nw seems to have gone.... Jul 04 16:43:39 i have unfortunately already asked the engineers involved about all of these Jul 04 16:43:52 Nadley: turning off skype is not painful Jul 04 16:44:05 turning off twenty services might be a bit painful Jul 04 16:44:18 but i only have half a dozen (6) Jul 04 16:44:42 timeless_mbp: that's indeed half a dozen Jul 04 16:44:46 :P Jul 04 16:45:25 timeless_mbp: yes I will do it like that by turning off skype. And if I merge my contacts with my skype contact I'll have some trouble ? Jul 04 16:45:41 kerio: sometimes i wonder if people are unfamiliar w/ en-US/en-GB and only speak en-intl Jul 04 16:46:00 Nadley: depends on what you're trying to do Jul 04 16:46:12 obviously the UI designers and engineers decided this was "the right thing to do" Jul 04 16:46:17 timeless_mbp: most people speak en-tubes Jul 04 16:46:21 or en-lolcat Jul 04 16:46:26 * timeless_mbp hates both Jul 04 16:46:32 but especially the latter Jul 04 16:46:55 timeless_mbp: http://www.lolcatbible.com/ Jul 04 16:47:11 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem. Jul 04 16:47:13 lcuk: what's your "show photo" setting set to? No? 2, 4, 6, until dismissed? Jul 04 16:48:11 timeless_mbp: if I had my contacts then merge some of them with my skype contact and turn off skype then delete one of them and turn on skype. My merging work before will stay as it was ? Jul 04 16:48:43 Nadley: my memory of this is >1 yr old Jul 04 16:48:50 but roughly changes to skype are made live Jul 04 16:49:00 if you aren't online, then it shouldn't see changes you make Jul 04 16:49:01 iirc Jul 04 16:49:10 ok Jul 04 16:49:11 but please don't take me word for it Jul 04 16:49:17 it's your data, i don't care about it Jul 04 16:49:22 no prob I'll try it Jul 04 16:50:58 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jul 04 16:51:23 lcuk: there's probably some other magical piece to the camera incantation Jul 04 16:51:30 i do remember it from nearly a year ago Jul 04 16:52:15 gah Jul 04 16:52:38 what possessed the Media Player / Image Viewer teams to use trash buttons of differing widths? Jul 04 16:54:34 timeless_mbp: keyword being teamS Jul 04 16:55:24 kerio: i should have said "what possessed the two ui designers who almost certainly sat next to eachother" Jul 04 16:55:25 :( Jul 04 16:55:38 how can you be so sure? Jul 04 16:56:07 maybe they worked from the antipodes of the nokia HQ Jul 04 16:56:41 kerio: i work in the building where the team lived Jul 04 16:56:50 and on average mistakes like this are indeed done by neighbors Jul 04 16:56:55 i can point to specific instances Jul 04 16:57:11 the ui team lived in a single wing of a single floor Jul 04 16:59:09 why does the facebook chat plugin suck this much? :/ Jul 04 16:59:20 after a sync where i rightfully deleted the "nicknames" Jul 04 16:59:37 (which are just name+surname, since facebook doesn't allow for different nicknames) Jul 04 16:59:55 the facebook chat entry in the contacts just disappears Jul 04 17:00:29 err Jul 04 17:00:40 the nickname is how a contact is connected to a service Jul 04 17:00:44 no nickname, no service Jul 04 17:01:00 huh? no Jul 04 17:01:12 because different IM services have different nicknames Jul 04 17:01:12 at least, in general Jul 04 17:01:20 yeah Jul 04 17:01:23 i'm talking about the vcard-type of "nickname" Jul 04 17:01:36 you left the facebook username? Jul 04 17:01:54 yeah Jul 04 17:01:55 of course Jul 04 17:01:58 * timeless_mbp shrugs Jul 04 17:02:03 iirc facebook was done by facebook Jul 04 17:02:07 file bugs to…. facebook Jul 04 17:02:18 they're in mountainview or thereabouts Jul 04 17:02:21 so they should speak English Jul 04 17:02:52 i'm just adding it as a jabber chat Jul 04 17:02:55 screw that Jul 04 17:12:18 haha Jul 04 17:21:04 timeless_mbp, sure a year ago potentially, but ive got well over 1000 photos and use camera/usb stuff on a regular basis and never encounter it locking Jul 04 17:21:33 * timeless_mbp shrugs Jul 04 17:21:49 if killall camera-ui fixed it, then it's the right culprit Jul 04 17:21:54 if not, lsof would have identified it Jul 04 17:23:08 If you need a pen and paper to do your job and you buy them... then expense it with the company... does the company own the pen and paper? Jul 04 17:23:41 if yes... would the same be true for an N900 and not a pen and paper :) Jul 04 17:27:37 Lantizia: the real question here is: can you get away with it? Jul 04 17:29:13 Lantizia: so... Jul 04 17:29:31 if you expensive a food or airilne ticket purchase,… Jul 04 17:29:38 the company doesn't get to keep the food or the ride :) Jul 04 17:29:52 but when i expensive a hdd purchase, my employer owns the drive Jul 04 17:30:03 so yes, the company owns the pen and paper Jul 04 17:30:14 now, on average, the company won't ask for the pen+ paper back Jul 04 17:30:22 just like they don't ask for the food Jul 04 17:30:43 but roughly speaking, by reimbursing you, they're purchasing the item from you and thus own it Jul 04 17:34:21 hmmm Jul 04 17:35:03 timeless_mbp, which country are you in? Jul 04 17:36:18 Finland Jul 04 17:36:23 but i'm making assumptions Jul 04 17:36:31 i can't say for certain that it's absolutely the case here Jul 04 17:36:39 yeah it'd be nice to know for sure how it works in the UK :S Jul 04 17:36:43 although i'm fairly certain because i believe i've been on the wrong end of some of this Jul 04 17:36:57 i can't speak to UK law, and google is being unfriendly Jul 04 17:37:30 i ddin't even notice that google released actual official builds of chrome for osx and linux Jul 04 17:37:40 ages ago Jul 04 17:37:43 i'm not a google fan but chrome is awesome heh Jul 04 17:37:52 timeless_mbp: well.. didn't really think they were going to to be honest Jul 04 17:38:09 thought they were going to leave osx and linux up to the opensource builders Jul 04 17:38:13 chromium got pretty far alone Jul 04 17:38:15 along Jul 04 17:39:43 so then.. what's going on with chrome for my n900? :) Jul 04 17:39:44 * Macer hides Jul 04 17:40:57 it's crappy Jul 04 17:41:35 and yet, it's the only browser that consistantly scores 100/100 on the acid3, on my n900 Jul 04 17:41:56 any maemo.org people around? X-Fade ? Jul 04 17:43:38 i thought they took it off the repos Jul 04 17:43:39 :) Jul 04 17:43:42 anyways. i have to go Jul 04 17:49:28 I am trying to flash my emmc and I am getting this error http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=1gwln2 Jul 04 17:49:34 what might be the problem? Jul 04 17:49:58 are you pushing "u" while connecting the cable? Jul 04 17:50:01 kakashi_, not held down u? Jul 04 17:50:21 yes Jul 04 17:50:46 i thought you couldn't reflash the eMMC without flashing everything Jul 04 17:53:01 infact line number 7 http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=1gwln2 it connects and then goes into Booting device into flash mode and then comes back to Suitable USB device not found, waiting Jul 04 17:56:08 what does it mean? Jul 04 17:56:16 is it bricked or something? Jul 04 18:04:00 Is Java really possible on N900? Jul 04 18:04:23 n900-dk: yeah, through easy debian IIRC Jul 04 18:05:45 n900-dk: Java isn't anything special Jul 04 18:05:55 the only reason it's not available for Maemo is because nobody cares Jul 04 18:05:59 because Java sucks Jul 04 18:07:00 I need it for Junipers SSL WebVPN Jul 04 18:07:19 ... Jul 04 18:07:45 why not use a normal VPN protocol? Jul 04 18:07:51 but easy debian will not make Java work in MicroB, right? Jul 04 18:08:45 luke-jr: I'm not sure if that is possible, or if only WebVPN is allowed.. Jul 04 18:08:59 n900-dk: ah, yeah, no luck Jul 04 18:09:13 n900-dk: no java applets Jul 04 18:10:30 ok, thx Jul 04 18:10:47 n900-dk: well, you can use epiphany/iceweasel then Jul 04 18:11:08 it doesn't work on Debian anyway Jul 04 18:17:13 hmm, liberals winning in poland? Jul 04 18:17:21 prolongation of the bloodline Jul 04 18:35:37 Hello! Does anybody of you have experience with skype video calls on maemo? Jul 04 18:42:46 Weird, my media player widget has miraculously started working .. Jul 04 18:49:04 kW: I hear it requires the latest version of Skype on the PC end Jul 04 18:49:25 kW: I also hear that the latest PC Skype is somehow more bloated than older versions, with higher system requirements Jul 04 18:49:48 in the end, though, better to use standard Jul 04 18:49:50 s Jul 04 18:50:05 it hase more "features" :p Jul 04 18:50:42 luke-jr: well, I'm using linux Jul 04 18:51:11 luke-jr: and thus my skype version may not be the "latest"..., as skype releases for linux are always lacking behind... Jul 04 18:55:30 kW: so don't use Skype; it's a virus anywy Jul 04 18:56:20 luke-jr: oh... I have a virus on my N900... Jul 04 18:56:31 you do? Jul 04 18:56:58 Maemo doesn't AFAIK have Skype. Nokia just licensed using the protocol... Jul 04 19:02:41 luke-jr: you mean nokia has written its own skype client? Jul 04 19:02:56 kW: looks that way to me Jul 04 19:03:13 well, I guess it is not open-source... is it? ;-) Jul 04 19:03:17 that would explain why it is so crappy :P Jul 04 19:03:31 kW: unlikely; Maemo isn't open source Jul 04 19:03:58 actually, that makes for an interesting topic Jul 04 19:04:12 if MeeGo is supposed to be open source, does that mean they're dropping Skype support? Jul 04 19:04:16 I wonder if the skypekit thing will work on N900, could make a better implementation Jul 04 19:04:17 well.. maybe nokias implementation is more amenable to reverse-engineering than the implementation of Skype, Inc. Jul 04 19:04:21 or will we get an open Skype implementation Jul 04 19:04:29 luke-jr, why would you think so? Jul 04 19:04:49 luke-jr, there are closed source sw running on other linuxes too Jul 04 19:04:50 Surfa: I don't expect Skype will tolerate an open client Jul 04 19:05:12 Surfa: we're not talking about running a client on an OS Jul 04 19:05:18 we're talking about integration as part of the OS Jul 04 19:05:36 luke-jr, thats' more or less opinions there :) Jul 04 19:05:40 ... Jul 04 19:05:50 when something is integrated in the sw or just integrated to ui Jul 04 19:06:08 sw = os Jul 04 19:07:11 or closed source plugin for some app perhaps Jul 04 19:07:15 Btw, I just flashed my n900 Jul 04 19:07:39 Surfa: if MeeGo includes anything closed, it's not open Jul 04 19:07:46 simple as that Jul 04 19:08:46 luke-jr, well, then there aren't very many open os's in the world :) Jul 04 19:08:56 Surfa: sure there are Jul 04 19:09:15 now the problem is that I am not able to make any calls, it says unable to connect to network, and it shows a sign with a "cross on simcard" in the top left status bar Jul 04 19:09:19 Debian's the obvious one Jul 04 19:09:24 even though the simcard is present Jul 04 19:09:25 and if skype client was open source, then what? Jul 04 19:09:34 it is not detecting the sim card Jul 04 19:09:34 who cares really Jul 04 19:09:47 Surfa: I do. Jul 04 19:09:49 does anybody know why? Jul 04 19:09:54 kakashi_, have you tried another sim card? Jul 04 19:10:02 yeah Jul 04 19:10:05 it does the same thing Jul 04 19:10:07 same problem? Jul 04 19:10:10 I tried flashing it twice Jul 04 19:10:20 it doesn't detect the simcard while booting Jul 04 19:10:21 ok.. one colleague of mine has problems with certain sim cards Jul 04 19:10:38 this used to work till the morning Jul 04 19:10:43 if skype would be open source, skype support could be added to other IM clients and I could stop using that annoying skype one... plus missing features on the N900 one could be implemented Jul 04 19:11:14 Surfa, infact I have a password on my simcard, it doesnt prompt for it in the begining, I am not sure why it skips it Jul 04 19:11:36 kakashi_, if it doesn't detect it, of course it won't prompt the pin either Jul 04 19:11:46 yeha Jul 04 19:11:50 any solutions? Jul 04 19:12:16 sounds hw problems if you did reflash already Jul 04 19:12:47 ..and it happens with other simcards Jul 04 19:12:55 same operator sim card or some other? Jul 04 19:13:24 other Jul 04 19:13:35 doh, i'm out of ideas Jul 04 19:13:38 Kegetys: you can already stop using that annoying Skype one ;) Jul 04 19:15:25 nope Jul 04 19:15:40 off topic subjective opinion: I have never seen any im client implemented better than originals, only benefit is that they can be integrated into one client, but otherwise they are crappy without exceptions Jul 04 19:17:19 Surfa: another benefit is that one could remove the viral/trojan code Jul 04 19:17:41 ..trojan code.. right Jul 04 19:18:09 if you have a decent net connection, Skype will hijack it Jul 04 19:19:14 Heh, just realised the year is MMX :D Jul 04 19:19:53 slow Jul 04 19:20:31 when I see skype eating my net bandwidth I just kill the process, I hope it disconnects the call its routing through my net :P Jul 04 19:24:07 hey guys, do you know how to fix uninstallable apt-file? Jul 04 19:24:39 wants libconfig-file-perl and libapt-pkg-perl, that are missing Jul 04 19:24:52 What repo they are from? Jul 04 19:25:13 Anybody with working apt-file on device or scratchbox? Jul 04 19:25:37 luke-jr, i take that you don't use spotify either? Jul 04 19:28:00 luke-jr, it's all about giving something for getting something Jul 04 19:31:41 I need to find where sys/reg.h comes from. On big ubuntu it is libc6-dev, but in scratchbox the apt-file is not working and I can't verify that. PLEASE, could you suggest where to get libconfig-file-perl and libapt-pkg-perl? This is one click for you to verify if they present: apt-cache seach libconfig-file-perl Jul 04 19:32:07 apt-cache search libconfig-file-perl Jul 04 19:33:38 does anyone here use a dc-6 on the n900? Jul 04 19:35:13 yes me Jul 04 19:35:51 why ? Jul 04 19:35:51 jerhum: does it actually charge the device? Jul 04 19:36:19 the specs I see on teh google say it's only 550mAh, I thought we needed more? Jul 04 19:36:39 yes, in my car some trouble need the good position for charge Jul 04 19:37:14 jerhum: thanks mate Jul 04 19:37:19 but i don't test to a full charge Jul 04 19:37:25 but i use it with gps Jul 04 19:37:51 jerhum: thanks, exactly my plan Jul 04 19:45:03 gee. my rootfs on N900 is full. any hints what I should do to free us some space? Jul 04 19:45:12 *free up Jul 04 19:46:50 Surfa: I Jul 04 19:46:56 Surfa: never heard of "spotify" Jul 04 19:47:06 ruxpin: from installing apps? Jul 04 19:47:18 Surfa: I don't give rights. Jul 04 19:47:25 toggles_w: yeah, I was setting up a lot of stuff with apt-get Jul 04 19:47:29 and I get nothing from Skype Jul 04 19:47:36 like "build-essential" :D Jul 04 19:47:43 ruxpin: lol ;-) Jul 04 19:48:04 i'm guessing build-essential isn't optified so will cause you some grief Jul 04 19:48:18 it was in fremantle extras Jul 04 19:48:31 so um Jul 04 19:48:38 you might want to look in /usr/bin and anything that isn't a softlink is using your root partition Jul 04 19:48:45 do I go to /usr/bin and rm something not so important? Jul 04 19:49:04 ruxpin: i wouldn't rm it, apt-get uninstall it Jul 04 19:49:30 apt-get won't work now because of no free space... :) Jul 04 19:49:53 E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. Jul 04 19:49:57 rm the cache? Jul 04 19:50:11 not sure of it's part though Jul 04 19:51:26 nope, it's /home.. Jul 04 19:51:51 hm, I rm'd something, but df still says 0% free Jul 04 19:52:20 yeah, you'll probably need to remove a few things... Jul 04 19:52:31 *sigh* Jul 04 19:52:48 is there a doc about what directories are on rootf? Jul 04 19:53:13 maemo.org has something Jul 04 19:53:37 /usr/share probably Jul 04 19:53:44 it's 78 MB Jul 04 19:54:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem Jul 04 19:54:28 maybe some locales I don't need? Jul 04 19:59:51 phew Jul 04 20:00:01 ok, I managed somehow :) Jul 04 20:00:22 need to be more careful from now on ;) Jul 04 20:17:21 damn subtitles autotranslated from french to english and its almost as bad as the french original Jul 04 20:17:24 awesome Jul 04 20:17:29 mobilehotspot kicking ass Jul 04 20:17:34 it still is a little flakey tho :) Jul 04 20:17:46 like it doesn't know how to deal with an already connected 3G network but meh Jul 04 20:17:54 fiddling with it long enough gets it connected Jul 04 20:27:55 Macer: not to mention the n900 is a *kickass* 3g modem Jul 04 20:28:21 heh Jul 04 20:28:24 a modem is a modem Jul 04 20:28:27 powahhungry Jul 04 20:29:07 but I don't have to pay verzion the $50 for tethering Jul 04 20:29:29 even though the n900 doesn't work with verizon Jul 04 20:29:34 haha Jul 04 20:29:45 yeah. i was kind of shocked how many phones nokia have that are att only Jul 04 20:30:02 Macer: nope Jul 04 20:30:05 not to mention the fact when i asked them if they had any n9?s that weren't att Jul 04 20:30:08 they kept trying to push me into going to att Jul 04 20:30:14 hsupa 10/2 is *a lot* Jul 04 20:30:15 I thought 3g didn't work on at&t? Jul 04 20:30:19 as though they get a kickback from att Jul 04 20:30:19 for the n900 Jul 04 20:30:24 it doesn't Jul 04 20:30:32 i was looking at n97s at the time Jul 04 20:30:36 but wanted to NOT go to att Jul 04 20:30:36 ah Jul 04 20:30:40 i HATE att Jul 04 20:30:41 most 3g dongles only reach 7.2/.384 Jul 04 20:30:46 im on t-mobile right now Jul 04 20:30:47 i mean it is an absolute disgust Jul 04 20:30:55 me too Jul 04 20:30:58 tethered wifi to my n900 Jul 04 20:30:59 ok Jul 04 20:30:59 bbl Jul 04 20:39:20 alrighty then Jul 04 20:39:28 i don't see it as tethering Jul 04 20:39:33 more like connection sharing Jul 04 20:40:22 telepathy-spirit = binary blob implementing Skype protocol Jul 04 20:40:24 FWIW Jul 04 20:40:59 kerio: N900 *includes* a 3G modem, but it isn't just a modem... Jul 04 20:41:17 luke-jr: ok, let me rephrase that Jul 04 20:41:22 the n900 includes a *kickass* 3g modem Jul 04 20:41:27 dotblank: no T-Mobile in Nebraska :/ Jul 04 20:41:38 kerio: too bad there's no 3G where I live Jul 04 20:41:54 anyhow, tethering is defined as "connection sharing" Jul 04 20:48:58 hm. found the tethering sweet spot where i am at Jul 04 20:49:05 i was about to start putting mirrors around the damn thing Jul 04 20:49:15 Macer: speed? Jul 04 20:49:23 it would actually moreso timeout than anything Jul 04 20:49:40 keeps switching between 3.5,3,2.5,2G Jul 04 20:49:52 set it to "3g only" Jul 04 20:49:58 and put it near a window Jul 04 20:50:09 haha. that's ok. i am in a sweet spot now Jul 04 20:50:13 it's working great where it is Jul 04 20:50:34 someone should make an antenna that you can run to the roof Jul 04 20:50:39 then plug into the usb port :) Jul 04 20:50:51 i wonder how far the wifi can go on the n900 Jul 04 20:51:36 anyways. it is working good now. have it plugged in with the screen off Jul 04 20:51:48 when i used to wifi tether on my G1 the phone would die even when plugged in Jul 04 20:52:00 hmm, managed to get my rootfs down to 91% .. so, it is not usable to install build-essentials on this device .. cross-compiling all the way? :) Jul 04 20:52:14 uninstall stuff Jul 04 20:52:50 hm, well, this specific package I wanted to compile wanted me to pull some weird things with lots of deps .. Jul 04 20:53:01 it got full with gtk-doc-tools .. Jul 04 20:53:09 ruxpin: do you really want to go the gentoo way? Jul 04 20:53:14 if so, *why*? Jul 04 20:53:18 gentoo is cool :) Jul 04 20:53:37 anyway, I just want geoclue on N900 Jul 04 20:53:45 ruxpin, install scratchbox, install ssh, get a static ip Jul 04 20:53:53 compiling on the go Jul 04 20:54:06 good idea Jul 04 20:54:18 i know, cause i'm using that :P Jul 04 20:54:23 I forgot that I already have the maemo dev scratchbox image :) Jul 04 20:54:38 tried it a few months ago before getting the actual device Jul 04 20:54:58 what is it about crackheads that they can't keep a license? Jul 04 20:55:03 ok wrong # :) Jul 04 20:55:16 lol Jul 04 20:57:19 are there any recent howto's on running debian/fc13 on the n900? Jul 04 20:59:09 hm. i've got a pretty good connection but youtube keeps skipping :/ Jul 04 21:00:25 guess i have to do the pause and play thing Jul 04 21:01:00 wow Jul 04 21:01:07 I played that breakout game clone Jul 04 21:01:16 runs really really well Jul 04 21:01:25 tecnoballz Jul 04 21:01:34 ... Jul 04 21:01:39 how did they come up with *that* name? Jul 04 21:04:27 but yea this game is fun Jul 04 21:04:39 so much stuff going on the screen Jul 04 21:04:42 very intense Jul 04 21:05:39 I've found that some rpg like lufia II with drnoksnes is excellent entertainment with the n900, you can just put it to background when needed and it doesn't require speed :) Jul 04 21:06:18 (or awkwardness of the keyboard, like in super mario or such where you constantly have to press multiple keys etc) Jul 04 21:07:49 arrow keys plus z and x work well Jul 04 21:07:54 but thats about it Jul 04 21:07:59 amazing that th world is still infatuatted with break out Jul 04 21:08:09 i was more concerned with games like quake3 :) Jul 04 21:08:16 which runs very well on the n900 Jul 04 21:08:52 it would be interesting to get a mouse+kb going and to hook it up to the tv Jul 04 21:08:59 breakout? where? Jul 04 21:09:04 i thought they already did Jul 04 21:09:10 kerio: yeah? Jul 04 21:09:19 i know getting a bt keyboard to work on it totally sucks Jul 04 21:09:27 and the bug is irrelevant if you file it :) Jul 04 21:09:29 disable touch screen, pair bt keyboard and mouse Jul 04 21:09:39 umm Jul 04 21:09:51 just make a package that would sed the configuration file Jul 04 21:09:57 if you cba to do it manually Jul 04 21:10:08 MohammadAG51: i want maemo4 type bluetooth keyboard support :-P Jul 04 21:10:27 Macer, mind shedding a light on me? never had a maemo 4 device Jul 04 21:10:27 technoballz is awesome Jul 04 21:10:40 can't get past the first boss Jul 04 21:10:43 or a chinook one Jul 04 21:10:46 in the configuration/settings app Jul 04 21:10:55 you can add a bluetooth keyboard incredibly easily Jul 04 21:11:08 so bt support got downgraded Jul 04 21:11:09 ? Jul 04 21:11:16 direct support yes Jul 04 21:11:19 it regressed Jul 04 21:11:48 to get a bt keyboard working in m5 you have to edit a config file Jul 04 21:11:51 and add keymaps Jul 04 21:12:04 all of which maemo4 didd without so much hassle Jul 04 21:12:17 maemo4 even had my su8w listed :) Jul 04 21:12:19 o_o Jul 04 21:12:44 on my n810 running maemo 4 all i had to do was go to settings.. and pick my bt keyboard that i paired up to it just as easily Jul 04 21:13:09 but then again... i had cups too :) Jul 04 21:13:13 where is PB Jul 04 21:13:15 omg Jul 04 21:13:21 he would make good things :) Jul 04 21:13:51 pb? Jul 04 21:14:06 penguinbait Jul 04 21:14:20 he had a whole kde pkg for the n8x0 :) Jul 04 21:14:55 so, fremantle was a downgrade? Jul 04 21:15:09 other than the gles.. yes :) Jul 04 21:15:15 maemo4 had more functionality Jul 04 21:15:34 well.. other than gles and the phone part Jul 04 21:16:02 and i suppose the cam too ifyou're into that sort of thing Jul 04 21:22:52 "This APT has Super Cow Powers." << wtf?? :) Jul 04 21:23:02 LOL Jul 04 21:23:03 within scratchbox Jul 04 21:23:14 I think all apts have super cow powers Jul 04 21:23:33 oh yeah, same message on my N900 :))) Jul 04 21:24:18 never noticed before but yes, same on my ARM debian :) Jul 04 21:24:20 lol Jul 04 21:24:54 doesn't the iPhone do that too? Jul 04 21:25:12 yeah Jul 04 21:25:20 well, not the iphone 4 Jul 04 21:25:40 iPhone has apt-get? Jul 04 21:25:50 if you jailbreak it Jul 04 21:26:07 Cydia is a graphical apt frontend Jul 04 21:26:21 nice Jul 04 21:27:24 evening chaps Jul 04 21:27:40 evening lardman Jul 04 21:27:48 hey MohammadAG51 Jul 04 21:28:09 ruxpin: telesphoreo is based on apt Jul 04 21:33:37 i seriously think that tmob cuts off internet connections on purpose Jul 04 21:33:56 wires ftw Jul 04 21:34:01 radio sucks Jul 04 21:43:04 crashanddie, ping? Jul 04 21:43:10 pong Jul 04 21:47:02 i have a problem I installed mymenu from extra-testing but now since I removed it my menu is broke :s Jul 04 21:47:59 define "broke" Jul 04 21:49:28 MohammadAG: some apps are missing my shorcut to app manager won't work Jul 04 21:54:12 MohammadAG: any idea ? Jul 04 21:54:34 remove hildon.menu, it should get regenerated, problem is idk where is it Jul 04 21:54:46 cd /usr/share && find -name hildon.menu Jul 04 21:58:14 MohammadAG: I find anything Jul 04 21:59:58 but I find it in my home Jul 04 22:00:49 not sure where it's stored, I just know it was needed by ApMefo or sth Jul 04 22:01:58 yes I delete it it regenerate the menu but I have no shortcut to appmanager Jul 04 22:02:13 i sure wish the stand on this thing did the double click thing Jul 04 22:02:18 as root in terminal apt-get --reinstall install hildon-application-manager Jul 04 22:06:13 ok Jul 04 22:06:38 is there a way to edit the menu with an interface that doesn't suck? Jul 04 22:07:33 Does "Working at Nokia" qualify as being an interface? Jul 04 22:08:11 rofl Jul 04 22:08:36 MohammadAG : I did it but nothing new :s Jul 04 22:08:38 kerio, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56844 Jul 04 22:10:40 Jaffa: ping Jul 04 22:12:16 crashanddie: pong Jul 04 22:14:27 Goodness EDGE is slow Jul 04 22:14:40 Not as slow as GPRS Jul 04 22:15:21 After I upgraded to 3G, I swore I would never use EDGE again Jul 04 22:15:27 Then Nokia screwed me over. Jul 04 22:15:34 haha Jul 04 22:15:42 no tmobile? Jul 04 22:15:44 3G is an update? oh boy Jul 04 22:15:54 it is kind of odd they chose the tmob for the n900 Jul 04 22:15:55 wonder why Jul 04 22:16:07 i guess because of the G1 success? Jul 04 22:16:52 Macer, supposedly they were gonna have a subsidy Jul 04 22:17:05 But that, apparently, never panned out Jul 04 22:17:18 So they just screwed the majority of their US customers. Jul 04 22:17:37 Macer, and, no, I'm on a family plan with 3 iPhones. . . . Jul 04 22:19:04 i doubt the majority Jul 04 22:19:06 :) Jul 04 22:19:33 * Nadley broke his hildon.menu now the apps menu is dead :d Jul 04 22:19:34 there are still n9x for att Jul 04 22:19:46 still a pretty good phone Jul 04 22:19:47 i just so happened to be with tmob Jul 04 22:19:47 i hate the fact that all they think about is att Jul 04 22:19:57 when att is so damn disgusting Jul 04 22:20:35 get your amily all n900s and swap so tey don't turn into apple monkeys Jul 04 22:22:46 Majority of US GSM users are on AT&T Jul 04 22:22:52 VAST majority Jul 04 22:23:25 and the vast majority of att customers have iphones and wouldn't even know what an n900 was if you told them Jul 04 22:23:35 sorry but that's the sad fact :)... n900s are niche Jul 04 22:23:45 and maybe 1% of that market would use a phone that doesn't go into portrait mode Jul 04 22:23:53 and costs the same as a new iphone Jul 04 22:24:44 because devs are working on making a small computer and avoiding the fact that an n900 is now a phone and should act as one Jul 04 22:24:48 it's not some internet tablet toy that only 10000 people bought :) Jul 04 22:25:23 t-mobile is 30.8mil, att is 71.3m sprint is 51.9m and verizon 67.2m Jul 04 22:25:24 it is a phone that only 1000 people bought because they were too busy debating over not adding features because they wanted to stay true to an internet tablet instead of realizing it isn't anymore but a phone with a ton of potential Jul 04 22:25:43 lost potential as it seems :) Jul 04 22:25:59 i mean don't get me wrong.. i love my n900 but i can't see the cattle using it and understanding what it can really do Jul 04 22:26:17 (I don't understand how sprint has so many customers) Jul 04 22:26:24 4G ;) Jul 04 22:26:47 and i'm sure those statistics cound prepay phones which it shouldn't Jul 04 22:26:51 count Jul 04 22:28:13 that is roughly 190million ... there are 250million adults capable of buying phones and roughly 200million underage children. if you are counting customers then they would all have to be adults.. there is no way that high of a percentage have cell phones Jul 04 22:28:31 asj, Nextel Jul 04 22:28:43 Macer: 2 phones, work/home Jul 04 22:28:54 Macer, the vast majority of AT&T customers own featurephones. Jul 04 22:29:05 Macer: US population is 300mil, not 450 Jul 04 22:29:15 * Nadley need to reflash :s Jul 04 22:29:30 asj He's counting illegals too. Jul 04 22:29:49 Ken-Young: then he's watching too much Fox Jul 04 22:30:01 asj Well put! Jul 04 22:30:23 GAN900: get back on your desktop Jul 04 22:30:28 ok so 122 million adults Jul 04 22:30:33 that can be "customers" Jul 04 22:30:34 :) Jul 04 22:31:42 what is it.. about 65% over 18? Jul 04 22:31:43 Won't somebody think of the children! Jul 04 22:31:52 Macer: this can only increase though, in our household we have 5 sims Jul 04 22:31:59 When was the last time you saw a 5yo without a phone. Jul 04 22:32:00 children can't sign contracts Jul 04 22:32:02 :) Jul 04 22:32:05 and there's only 2 of us, imagin if we had kids :) Jul 04 22:32:15 haha Jul 04 22:32:16 * SpeedEvil has maybe ... 8? Jul 04 22:32:25 (SIMs, not kids) Jul 04 22:32:36 I think most have expired by now Jul 04 22:32:37 SpeedEvil: you scared me when you said maybe :) Jul 04 22:32:43 SpeedEvil: this is active Jul 04 22:33:03 good night guys Jul 04 22:33:06 they have to be counting prepay phones Jul 04 22:33:07 see you Jul 04 22:33:09 Only I think 3 active Jul 04 22:33:13 especially with today's unemployment rates :) Jul 04 22:33:25 either that or they are counting accounts in default as well.. those numbers are way too high Jul 04 22:33:37 don't tell the shareholders Jul 04 22:33:48 Macer: if you're unemployed the cell is probably the last thing you'll get rid of (though going prepaid might be smart, ok it would be smart for a lot of people) Jul 04 22:33:55 i'm sure they find all types of ways to bloat their numbers Jul 04 22:34:13 asj: i pay like 65/month for my n900 ;) Jul 04 22:34:23 * SpeedEvil pays 3. Jul 04 22:34:23 the same phone with att would be like 110 Jul 04 22:34:26 * SpeedEvil is cheap. Jul 04 22:34:26 heh Jul 04 22:34:38 * ShadowJK pays about 12 Jul 04 22:34:51 i remember when i had my n95 and they said it would be an additioal $50 to tether.. they were nuts Jul 04 22:35:06 then they told me their shit network wasn't the reason my $600 n95 was dropping the internet connection Jul 04 22:35:15 when we were in the US I always used prepaid, it was $15-30/mo. Most it was data, very little voice Jul 04 22:35:16 so i put my sim in their shitty razr Jul 04 22:35:21 same problems everywhere in chicago Jul 04 22:35:56 tmobiel just seems to work :) unless i have a really bad signal.. but that is kind of rare except where i was earlier Jul 04 22:36:14 it is cheaper too.. and i'm not under contract anymore so i can threaten cancellation Jul 04 22:36:59 ah well.. anyways. i have to go ahead and figure out what else needs to be done to this artigo. at one point i was going to use my n810 as a server but i couldn't find it Jul 04 22:37:03 that would be low powered :) Jul 04 22:39:22 Lo Jul 04 22:44:34 crashanddie, but it's all the way upstairs. :( Jul 04 22:45:50 http://www.livestrong.com/recipes/flapjacks-16/ Jul 04 22:45:51 argh Jul 04 22:49:18 * MohammadAG51 makes a clipboard clearer daemon for SpeedEvil Jul 04 22:53:33 night chaps Jul 04 22:55:18 night Jul 04 22:58:52 lardman|gone: night lardy Jul 04 23:16:20 boo Jul 04 23:17:30 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 04 23:31:31 hello all! Jul 04 23:31:43 boo to the topic : ) Jul 04 23:32:05 though i must admit it's sooo beautiful the way they play Jul 04 23:32:17 I have a question Jul 04 23:32:21 I have "2.5g" on my n900 Jul 04 23:32:40 via an EDGE network in Canada Jul 04 23:32:46 THE EDGE Jul 04 23:33:04 (Rogers) Jul 04 23:33:04 I'm trying to use VOIP through it, but am not really having success Jul 04 23:33:04 am I wasting my time here, or is this a question of optimization? Jul 04 23:33:04 i.e., picking codecs, etc. Jul 04 23:33:47 ? Jul 04 23:44:12 aaand back : ) Jul 04 23:44:30 so, any thoughts on SIP via EDGE? Jul 04 23:45:27 what is your throughput up/down orangey1 Jul 04 23:45:42 you mean via speedtest.net? Jul 04 23:45:51 whatever you can do for a speed test Jul 04 23:46:05 that should give you a set of usable codecs Jul 04 23:46:06 about 300 / 100 Jul 04 23:46:47 kilobits, that is Jul 04 23:47:16 but, for example, I see that g729 claims it's <10kb/s Jul 04 23:47:20 so you want a codec that can do 10kB/s effective Jul 04 23:47:27 ok Jul 04 23:47:43 is g729 kilo*bit* or byte? Jul 04 23:47:45 I thought it was 10 kilobit Jul 04 23:47:50 wow Jul 04 23:48:26 yeah. 8 kilobits per second is what it says when I'm looking Jul 04 23:48:33 good luck. worked for me with some help on the provider side Jul 04 23:48:34 I'm actually not sure how to even know which codec is being used for a call Jul 04 23:48:38 oh yeah? Jul 04 23:48:48 with edge speeds? Jul 04 23:48:51 i don't know what codec was used Jul 04 23:48:53 never tried Jul 04 23:49:01 what's your setup? Jul 04 23:49:14 it's gone unfortunately Jul 04 23:49:17 I've done sip over edge and the main problem was latency, it's >300ms, and very audible Jul 04 23:49:38 asj: Latency is a surmountable problem for me Jul 04 23:49:53 the main issue is that I hear almost nothing of the other person (very choppy) and they hear absolutely nothing of me Jul 04 23:50:31 orangey: ok, and jitter is through the roof too Jul 04 23:50:41 there's only so much you can do Jul 04 23:50:43 what is jitter? Jul 04 23:50:54 is that the robotic quality? Jul 04 23:51:40 asj: what's your setup? Jul 04 23:51:50 orangey: jitter is change in latency so if one packet takes 500ms and the next takes 750ms you have 250ms of jitter Jul 04 23:51:56 quite enjoyable :P http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/03/mystery-nokia-slider-shows-off-proto-symbian-3-one-last-time-co Jul 04 23:52:03 orangey: I don't have a setup that works over edge, it's not useable Jul 04 23:52:24 asj: ah Jul 04 23:52:42 asj: in that case, what have you tried? Have you played with codecs? Jul 04 23:52:49 asj: also, what cell provider? Jul 04 23:53:12 orangey: yes I played with codecs, it was att Jul 04 23:55:07 asj: *sigh* Jul 04 23:55:29 works ok over 3g ;) Jul 04 23:55:31 the most frustrating part is actually that my provider has sublime 3g speeds on different bands Jul 04 23:55:40 asj: you switched providers? Jul 04 23:55:51 and countries Jul 04 23:55:54 i'm contemplating either getting another phone to tether Jul 04 23:55:59 asj: where are you now Jul 04 23:56:04 or getting a motorola droid 2 Jul 04 23:56:16 which appears the same phone save for android Jul 04 23:57:10 aha! Jul 04 23:57:17 it appears that my provider doesn't give g729 Jul 04 23:57:38 then switch phones, Jul 04 23:58:05 hi guys! Jul 04 23:58:23 asj: you think a cheap tether phone would be too much hassle? Jul 04 23:58:43 too much of a pain for me Jul 04 23:59:27 does anyone know why the behaviour of the keyboard changed in PR 1.2 when I remap some Fn key combinations? Jul 04 23:59:32 hmm. time to see if this works well with 729 Jul 04 23:59:36 brb Jul 04 23:59:45 (I'm using a different voip provider to test 729) Jul 05 00:00:12 brb Jul 05 00:13:54 appmefo is a fantastic app Jul 05 00:14:13 is there such a thing as a cell modem that I can use to extend the 3g reach of my n900 so I can pick up more networks and such? Jul 05 00:18:40 hmm. interesting.. Jul 05 00:18:40 http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/13/huawei-announces-i-mo-hspa-modem-with-wifi/ Jul 05 00:18:44 this might be the solution for now! Jul 05 00:31:44 good morning Jul 05 01:19:42 Don't you hate dysnomia? Jul 05 01:19:53 who? Jul 05 01:20:21 General you Jul 05 02:20:58 has anyone installed a zagg invisible shield on the n900? Jul 05 02:27:57 I wish Nokia would proof Ovi Store item descriptions. Jul 05 02:28:21 is it normal for the N800 to power on when the battery is inserted? It seems my power button isn't working, and every time I insert the battery, it turns on. I don't remember it acting this way in the past. I've taken it apart, and disconnected the switches, and it still powers on (which leads me to believe it isn't the switch at fault, but something on the motherboard. Jul 05 02:29:54 hm, i think i like firefox on maemo a bit more than opera Jul 05 02:30:11 my N800 has been working well for the last 2 1/2 years, but last time I go to use it, it has problems.....now every piece of nokia equipment I own has problems. I take my N85 back to them under warranty, and they refuse to fix it.....never again will I buy a nokia product. Jul 05 02:32:27 The only reason I bought my N800 was to use as a SIP phone....now I guess I'll just go buy a SIP phone, since the N800 quit working right. Jul 05 02:34:59 WormFood: what problems do you appear to have with the n800? Jul 05 02:35:15 it acts like the power button is constantly pressed Jul 05 02:35:32 can't turn it on, or off, or unlock it....when I insert the battery, it just powers on Jul 05 02:35:53 WormFood: that's usually an easy fix. You can use precision (flat) screwdrivers, and use one that is slightly bigger and file it off Jul 05 02:36:14 keep filing until you have the right size for the star screws Jul 05 02:36:19 and I disconnected all the buttons from the motherboard, and it STILL acts that way, which leads me to believe it is something on the motherboard Jul 05 02:36:23 there are repair manuals all over the internet Jul 05 02:36:35 Can someone that has an n810 and an n900 tell me what the size difference is? Jul 05 02:36:38 I have the disassembly instructions, and the schematics Jul 05 02:36:48 * WormFood is an electronics tech Jul 05 02:36:52 Termana: about 3/4 inch Jul 05 02:37:04 crashanddie, file off what? what are you talking about? Jul 05 02:37:15 crashanddie, so its around about the same size Jul 05 02:37:22 Termana: no, smaller Jul 05 02:37:27 the power button isn't being pressed Jul 05 02:37:42 WormFood: sorry, most people need instructions on how to unscrew the screws Jul 05 02:37:55 I have the T6 torx Jul 05 02:37:58 k Jul 05 02:38:14 I have a whole set of those tiny torx and other weird bits Jul 05 02:38:24 I'm sure you're proud Jul 05 02:38:37 it is just a kit of stuff I bought for working on crap like this Jul 05 02:38:43 nothing to be proud of :P Jul 05 02:38:54 what do you mean by 'the button isn't being pressed' ? Jul 05 02:38:55 So you disconnected everything, but it's still autobooting? Jul 05 02:38:56 WormFood: there is also 'force-power-key' R&D flag, it would be a good idea to check what R&D flags are set for your device Jul 05 02:39:14 crashanddie, would it be fair to say with both of them closed, the n900 would fit about on top of the screen of an n810, a bit over? Jul 05 02:39:21 correct crashanddie, even with the buttons disconnected Jul 05 02:39:37 ah Jul 05 02:39:40 SpeedEvil, the switches are disconnected....the power button isn't stuck or being pressed, but still powers on Jul 05 02:39:42 Termana: don't have both right here to check, but that's how I remember it anyway Jul 05 02:40:15 Termana: pretty sure it fits in height, maybe not width Jul 05 02:40:41 ssvb, I have not changed any R&D flags. I'm aware of them (but forgot about them 'till you mentioned it)....it was working, but yesterday when I go to use, it is dead...I recharge the battery, and now the power button does not work (can't even unlock the screen or power it off) Jul 05 02:41:04 Termana: get out your pixel measuring tape: http://images.dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nokian900-vs-nokian810.jpg Jul 05 02:41:38 ssvb, would the force-power-key flag being set cause it to act the way I describe? (I sorta doubt it, but maybe) Jul 05 02:42:19 WormFood: R&D flags can only be set by the flasher process as far as I can tell Jul 05 02:42:39 (translation: they wouldn't change through normal operation of the device) Jul 05 02:42:46 I wonder if somehow the firmware was corrupted (I seriously doubt it) Jul 05 02:43:00 WormFood: can't say for all the symptoms, but it triggers turning on the device on inserting the battery for sure Jul 05 02:43:03 doubt it too, however, when is the last time you flashed, and which repos are you running? Jul 05 02:43:08 that is what I was thinking too crashanddie Jul 05 02:43:24 I'm running os2008, and last time I flashed it was probably 1 1/2 years ago Jul 05 02:43:39 maybe a little longer. Jul 05 02:44:03 last time I flashed it was shortly after OS2008 was made available Jul 05 02:44:44 well, you won't lose massive amounts of data, and I'm fairly sure that the latest OS2008 update is more recent than 1.5 years ago. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php Jul 05 02:45:44 whoever sent me to #maemo-devel was surely playing a sick joke Jul 05 02:45:58 the channel isn't active at all Jul 05 02:46:02 LiraNuna: he probably meant #maemo-devil Jul 05 02:46:50 Qt on N900 is a joke, all I am experiencing is problems and non-working modules Jul 05 02:47:17 PyQt or PySide? Jul 05 02:47:30 C++ Qt Jul 05 02:48:27 trying to download a file using QNetworkAccessManager and the app just hangs there Jul 05 02:48:32 I can't find the last firmware I used. Probably got deleted or locked up on a dvd somewhere, but for sure I'm not running the latest Jul 05 02:50:33 I'm impressed...my download speed to China is pretty fast.....usually it is very slow (40 meg nvidia drivers were estimated to take 1 hour to download...I downloaded it to my server, then to my machine in 1 minute) Jul 05 02:51:46 Any German speakers want to do me a favor and summarize this for mwkn? http://meetmeego.com/mobilefreidae2010-07-16 ? Jul 05 02:51:55 pupnik? DocScrutinizer? Jul 05 02:52:20 GAN900, did you try google translate? Sometimes it is good for a laugh Jul 05 02:53:08 404? Jul 05 02:53:10 are there better schematics for the N800 than what i've been able to find. Page 5 of the schematics floating around on the Internet is too blurry to read Jul 05 02:53:10 WormFood, good thought. Jul 05 02:53:49 Any German speakers want to do me a favor http://meetmeego.com/mobilefreidae/mobilefreidae2010-07-16 Jul 05 02:53:55 Should be ^ Jul 05 02:54:26 GAN900: not a german speaker, but what do you want? Jul 05 02:54:30 chrome auto-translate is nice Jul 05 02:54:57 mortini, summarizing it for mwkn Jul 05 02:55:21 and falling asleep in the process, so my higher cognitive functions are shutting down. :P Jul 05 02:55:52 http://pastebin.com/qU5PjU8t Jul 05 02:55:53 ah, ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 05 02:59:58 2010