**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 06 02:59:58 2010 Jul 06 03:00:55 tripzero: it does have an n900 backend Jul 06 03:01:16 tripzero: must be available in -devel at the very least eh? Jul 06 03:01:26 so i understand... but is it in the repos? can I build against it? Jul 06 03:01:28 * tripzero checks Jul 06 03:05:09 i see 'qt mobile' crap Jul 06 03:06:46 nope, that didn't pull in qt-mobility Jul 06 03:07:41 how do I type ">" on n810? Jul 06 03:11:40 nevermind, just found it. :) Jul 06 03:16:12 anyone else have trouble with WEP networks? Jul 06 03:16:22 I think every WEP network I've tried so far I've not been able to connect to Jul 06 03:16:28 though WPA works flawlessly Jul 06 03:23:22 hmmm. some people are saying enter a hexed version Jul 06 03:26:45 wep keys can be problematic Jul 06 03:34:45 wep is insecure Jul 06 03:34:48 use wpa Jul 06 03:41:59 where do .desktop files go for apps? Jul 06 03:42:07 to show up in the launcher deal Jul 06 03:46:43 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: crashanddie told you to change your default nick Jul 06 03:46:46 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: WEP works fine here Jul 06 03:49:25 luke-jr, has that N900 placed its implants in your brain yet? Jul 06 03:49:33 GAN900: no? Jul 06 03:49:58 luke-jr, so you think. Eeexcellent. Jul 06 03:50:06 .... **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 06 08:26:14 2010 Jul 06 08:26:28 i think the trick i used was to use apt-get source —download-only and then parse the output Jul 06 08:26:41 because it would tell me the names of the files i needed and then i could use dpkg-source w/ -d Jul 06 08:26:47 -recomp1 is the debian revision, so it seems to be that Jul 06 08:27:00 right, but how do you get that? Jul 06 08:29:02 yeah, using apt-get source —download-only; dpkg-source -x foo.dsc foo is my friend Jul 06 08:37:33 * timeless_mbp is pretty sure that's what the old scripts did Jul 06 08:52:28 http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1709010&cid=32807068 Jul 06 09:03:26 hy all Jul 06 09:05:40 hy Jul 06 09:06:08 anyone? Jul 06 09:07:23 curiositybanget, hai Jul 06 09:07:45 hy Jul 06 09:07:55 finally, someone live in there Jul 06 09:09:29 curiositybanget, they're propably all zombies Jul 06 09:09:42 * Vanadis_Work watched Highschool of the Dead last night Jul 06 09:09:45 hehe, i'm in zombie land Jul 06 09:09:59 ^^_ Jul 06 09:10:23 btw, sry if my english is terrible, i'm still learning Jul 06 09:11:13 i'm looking someone here to discuss bout meego Jul 06 09:11:23 #meego Jul 06 09:11:39 i like user interface of meego Jul 06 09:12:57 are u still there vanasis? Jul 06 09:13:01 vanadis Jul 06 09:14:59 hy all Jul 06 09:20:36 curiositybanget: you still want #meego .. Jul 06 09:23:14 oops, i think i'm in wrong room, meego n maemo, start with m, hehe Jul 06 09:23:25 thx bro Jul 06 09:32:06 * timeless_mbp tries to remember which stupid features exist in fremantle sources Jul 06 09:33:29 lrwxrwxrwx 1 timeless timeless 1 Jul 6 17:45 alsa -> . Jul 06 09:33:33 yeah, there's that one Jul 06 09:33:35 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jul 06 09:33:38 very helpful Jul 06 09:37:11 hey all, wondering if anyone can help me out with swap partition priority Jul 06 09:38:24 cant for the life of me seem to get both emmc swap and sd swap to change priority, or to respect the pri= setting in /etc/fstab Jul 06 09:38:50 which means that since the sd card priority is set to -2, it doesnt do shit Jul 06 09:38:56 any ideas anyone? Jul 06 09:44:51 so um Jul 06 09:44:57 which are you trying to brick? Jul 06 09:45:01 your n900, or your sd card? Jul 06 09:45:28 … and why? Jul 06 09:52:18 brick? not trying to brick anything. trying to use two swap partitions at the same time to relieve io pressure in a high swappiness state Jul 06 09:58:43 hello, how to hide a particular icon or widget of an application running on the tablet, from being showed on the tv out, i know it is possible, the media player in n900 is already using that feature,in which the media player control icon wont be shown on tv out, Jul 06 09:59:07 When did Conversations get that "join chat room" button? Jul 06 09:59:16 In pr 1.2? Jul 06 09:59:27 BCMM_:yeah 1.2 iirc Jul 06 09:59:43 I'm using Conversations right now Jul 06 10:00:16 is it easy to use in a chat room scenario? Jul 06 10:01:08 sugnan: There was a thread about the various ioctl/sys interfaces to control the video out on maemo-developers a few months ago Jul 06 10:01:43 sugnan: i suspect that the n900 can do what certain desktop graphics cards can, which is make a hardware video overlay fill the tv-out screen Jul 06 10:02:16 Eternal197: not as nice as xchat Jul 06 10:02:25 Beeps for all messages Jul 06 10:02:36 can it be done using Qt somehow? Jul 06 10:02:52 A window open for each channel, and you /part if you close them Jul 06 10:03:09 No highlighting Jul 06 10:03:31 I wish xchat scrolled like this though Jul 06 10:04:37 Jaffa: can we use ioctl/sys libs with Qt Jul 06 10:05:28 sugnan: I guess so, at the expense of portability Jul 06 10:05:56 I can't see why you couldn't use ioctls using pure c++ Jul 06 10:06:08 ok Jaffa will try, thankx Jul 06 10:06:15 sugnan: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025347.html is the thread I'm thinking of Jul 06 10:08:40 sigh, wtb more reliable ovi suite :< Jul 06 10:08:59 * timeless_mbp sighs Jul 06 10:09:10 so, there is a disadvantage to doing piecemeal scanning Jul 06 10:09:50 whole unit scanning means that any identifier which is defined in any part of the system will be recognized as an identifier in any other part Jul 06 10:10:15 but if i do it unit at a time, then something defined in one part and only vaguely used in another party might not be properly recognized as an identifier :( Jul 06 10:10:38 eternal197: it's not going to change anything really Jul 06 10:11:04 eternal197: esspecialy considering that uSD card is slower than eMMC Jul 06 10:14:22 jacekowski: fair enough. out of interest, any idea how much faster emmc is? Jul 06 10:14:33 how does one sync the clock on the n900? ntpd sounds like a very bad move in terms of battery life Jul 06 10:14:55 BCMM: gps Jul 06 10:14:58 is there a "synchronise once then quit" NTP client? Jul 06 10:15:06 eternal197: depends on uSD card Jul 06 10:15:16 eternal197: from my experience 2-3x faster at least Jul 06 10:15:25 jacekowski: ah, i heard mutterings about getting gps time, how do you do that? Jul 06 10:16:22 there is also network-operator provided time, though that requires your network to broadcast a time and doesnt actually work properly on the n900 Jul 06 10:16:28 BCMM: start any gps app Jul 06 10:17:08 eternal197: please note that the uSD card can be unmounted randomly Jul 06 10:17:24 whenever you manage to drop your n900 violently Jul 06 10:17:30 or if you ever remove the back cover Jul 06 10:17:47 jacekowski: ah, it automatically gets gps time when the gps is in use? Jul 06 10:17:52 100M read from emmc 5.16s, 7.01 from uSD card Jul 06 10:17:54 BCMM: yes Jul 06 10:18:04 neat Jul 06 10:18:07 thanks Jul 06 10:18:15 it does? Jul 06 10:18:22 removing the swap volume from a live system when it isn't expecting it should be catastrophic Jul 06 10:18:35 if so, that certainly doesnt work with the device set to automatically keep it's time from the network broadcast timr Jul 06 10:18:39 timeless_mbp: kernel will just return EBUSY Jul 06 10:18:45 timeless_mbp: instead of unmounting it Jul 06 10:18:55 jacekowski: when it's physically gone? Jul 06 10:19:05 that doesn't work :) Jul 06 10:19:06 nidO: how do you set it to sync to network broadcast? Jul 06 10:19:28 * timeless_mbp isn't certain about removing just the back cover Jul 06 10:19:36 but certainly if it gets out of place, it's gone Jul 06 10:19:45 settings > date/time > update automatically, i'm led to believe uses network time Jul 06 10:19:45 and the kerne should get quite pissed Jul 06 10:19:52 nidO: no Jul 06 10:19:54 though for me it doesnt, and never has, worked properly Jul 06 10:19:55 nidO: it uses gps time Jul 06 10:20:03 well, that doesnt work right then Jul 06 10:20:14 my n900's clock has always been 5 minutes fast with automatic time enabled Jul 06 10:20:14 jacekowski: really? Jul 06 10:20:55 * timeless_mbp was pretty sure gps time as a primary was ruled out Jul 06 10:21:16 I was always under the impression it used network-broadcast time Jul 06 10:21:28 but whichever it uses or should use, it clearly doesnt use it right Jul 06 10:21:31 easily tested Jul 06 10:21:34 disable gps Jul 06 10:21:41 disable auto time Jul 06 10:21:44 munge your clock Jul 06 10:21:49 reenable auto time Jul 06 10:22:05 if it changes, it obviously isn't _limited_ to gps time Jul 06 10:22:11 its not, then Jul 06 10:22:18 just did that, set my time to 11:00 manually Jul 06 10:22:26 * timeless_mbp isn't certain how to prove that it never uses gps for time Jul 06 10:22:27 and it flicked straight back to 11:26 Jul 06 10:22:29 which is also wrong Jul 06 10:22:44 typically, being wrong is a function of lame cell towers Jul 06 10:22:56 11:26 also is *not* the time being broadcast by either my network or by gps Jul 06 10:23:08 ive not had any device change time automatically until i put ntpd on Jul 06 10:23:28 especially after removing battery and date rolls back to 2009 Jul 06 10:23:32 * timeless_mbp looks for an end userhat Jul 06 10:23:38 lcuk: hmm Jul 06 10:23:41 lcuk: that's wrong Jul 06 10:23:42 … end user hat Jul 06 10:23:50 lcuk: there is small battery that's supposed to keep rtc running Jul 06 10:23:54 my mac doesn't mention 'ntp', but it definitely fixes the clock for me :) Jul 06 10:24:18 jacekowski, then something must be wrong with it. its been like that for ages :S Jul 06 10:24:23 my windows computers don't mention ntp eitiher, and they too fix the clock :) Jul 06 10:24:50 timeless_mbp, windows has internet time enabled :p Jul 06 10:24:54 lcuk: maybe you've never had the privilege of using end user operating systems ;-) Jul 06 10:25:06 lcuk: yeah, but i don't have to start "ntpd" Jul 06 10:25:12 windows xp here Jul 06 10:25:14 it's just something the system *does* Jul 06 10:25:18 i know :) Jul 06 10:25:27 there happens to be a time service (and you can stop it) Jul 06 10:25:42 but you didn't have to 'start ntpd' to get windows to give you the right time Jul 06 10:25:49 clock issues are something linuxy ;) Jul 06 10:25:55 heh Jul 06 10:25:57 indeed Jul 06 10:26:12 even worse when i used to use winscp to copy files about Jul 06 10:26:15 firefox has a feature mostly designed for Lusers (linux users) Jul 06 10:26:24 1 hour time differences and drifts meant Jul 06 10:26:33 system != utc? Jul 06 10:26:37 gcc would always moan about clock skew! Jul 06 10:26:39 yeah Jul 06 10:26:49 when it encounters an expired certificate, it tells you the current time Jul 06 10:26:56 so you can recognize when your clock is wrong Jul 06 10:27:05 instead of just assuming the server is busted Jul 06 10:27:16 incorrect time by 1 second is enough to make gcc panic. Jul 06 10:27:22 and i can say designed, because i was the one who did it :) Jul 06 10:27:33 and i had nxxx's in mind :) Jul 06 10:28:11 :) Jul 06 10:28:39 http://imgur.com/gv7LT.png Jul 06 10:28:47 another screenshot :) Jul 06 10:29:03 got rid of the bottom bar... I need to place the progress bar ina creative spot Jul 06 10:29:24 dotblank, nice high contrast theme Jul 06 10:29:40 dotblank: fwiw, having really short rows is not finger friendly Jul 06 10:29:41 lcuk, yea turned out better then I thought Jul 06 10:29:49 dotblank: how'bout if the blue background of the song name would also be the progress bar? Jul 06 10:30:12 the progress bar is for search, not download, right? Jul 06 10:30:15 dotblank, in portrait theres so much more space for ui! Jul 06 10:30:16 sandst1, I tried doing it actually but the styles for maemo qt isn't letting me Jul 06 10:30:25 stick progress into the search box, like the browser uses the urlbar Jul 06 10:30:29 but without a keyboard its like stepping back in time Jul 06 10:30:42 timeless_mbp, good idea Jul 06 10:30:42 dotblank: make a custom one?:) Jul 06 10:30:51 dotblank: something tells me the button in the bottom left corner in portrait is stupid Jul 06 10:30:54 what's it do? Jul 06 10:31:05 timeless_mbp, playlist Jul 06 10:31:20 allows you to re arrange songs add radio stations Jul 06 10:31:33 ok Jul 06 10:31:36 you can't use that icon Jul 06 10:31:39 at the very least Jul 06 10:31:46 hmm Jul 06 10:31:51 I need a new icon Jul 06 10:31:52 that icon has a specific meaning Jul 06 10:32:13 I just picked something that looked like a list... Jul 06 10:32:21 I'm going to go icon hunting for more Jul 06 10:32:24 what meaning? Jul 06 10:36:03 kerio: it means show / hide the tree view to the left of the content area Jul 06 10:36:09 it's used by the Feed Reader Jul 06 10:36:22 but the icon meaning is fixed and consistent on more than just Maemo Jul 06 10:36:30 however, in Maemo, it's not a good idea to use split views Jul 06 10:36:33 i see Jul 06 10:36:33 there isn't enough space Jul 06 10:36:43 and there absolutely isn't enough space in Portrait! Jul 06 10:37:06 :) Jul 06 10:37:17 anyway, it's food-o'clock Jul 06 10:53:48 MohammadAG51, ping Jul 06 10:59:40 does Fake (of laser cut stand fame) come onto irc? Jul 06 11:36:28 hmm, i'm trying to disable the auto update check completely, i've set /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval to a pretty large number, but it seems to be still doing it from time to time, especially after a reboot, any clues? Jul 06 11:38:56 pigeon: Put the host names in /etc/hosts and point to 127.0.0.1 ? Jul 06 11:39:33 lol Jul 06 11:40:04 heh, well that would work, but that would disable manual update too then i imagine... Jul 06 11:40:13 X-Fade, as I said yesterday, you forgot the binaries http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ Jul 06 11:40:18 :) Jul 06 11:40:31 MohammadAG: I got a bit more progress on the perl-modules case. Jul 06 11:40:50 hmm? Jul 06 11:41:27 MohammadAG: Apparently the package is on an exclusion list for SSU. Jul 06 11:41:40 The person managing that list is on holiday of course ;) Jul 06 11:42:08 But if it is removed from that list, it will show up in the ssu repo automatically. Jul 06 11:42:20 So I need to be convincing ;) Jul 06 11:42:42 forzen-bubble's convincing enough right? :p Jul 06 11:44:51 how to install midnight commander ? Jul 06 11:45:33 apt-get install mc Jul 06 11:49:29 X-Fade: fwiw, i'm working on getting fremantle1.2 indexed Jul 06 11:59:14 where i can find directories created by file manager' Jul 06 11:59:17 via terminal Jul 06 11:59:31 /home/user/MyDocs/* Jul 06 11:59:39 ~/MyDocs/* Jul 06 12:00:02 or on memory cards perhaps Jul 06 12:00:30 no, its not there Jul 06 12:00:51 i create directory books' via file manager but it isnt in Mydodcs Jul 06 12:01:30 ok, found it Jul 06 12:01:42 :) where was it hiding Jul 06 12:02:17 ~seen javispedro Jul 06 12:02:19 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 40d 11h 3m 4s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. Jul 06 12:03:39 lcuk: i was disabled hidden files showing Jul 06 12:04:00 Juozapas, ? in the console? Jul 06 12:07:25 in mc Jul 06 12:07:27 ;) Jul 06 12:08:47 Juozapas, well - thats not really fair, mc isnt the terminal Jul 06 12:09:18 yeah its my fault Jul 06 12:13:10 is it possible to prevent auto device lock to reactivate the screen, if the screen is turned off? Jul 06 12:15:14 hey guys, how are those small icos called on N900? For example wifi indicator Jul 06 12:15:40 --> How can I do them in Qt4? Jul 06 12:19:35 tobis87: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-unlock Jul 06 12:30:11 DocScrutinizer: I want the device to lock (with key), but I don't want the screen to reactivate by this. Jul 06 12:33:52 DocScrutinizer: If the screen gets turned off after 30 seconds and the device locks after 5 minutes. It will turn the screen on again for 30 seconds. Jul 06 12:34:22 hmm, that's a bug Jul 06 12:35:03 file a ticket Jul 06 12:36:21 Oh btw.. Did USB Host project die already? :) Jul 06 12:36:49 zombie state Jul 06 12:37:06 Living dead.. Scary sh*t. Jul 06 12:37:30 DocScrutinizer, whats needed to progress it Jul 06 12:37:39 I don't know why none of the devels is contributing anymore Jul 06 12:37:39 did not know that was a project.. Jul 06 12:37:57 Appiah: h-e-n Jul 06 12:40:13 lcuk: hcm did some kernel cleanup and tests and claimed it doesn't work and needs further investigations/fixes/cleanup, but I don't see anything happening after that. There've been 2 or 3 drive-by-lurkers that were very interested for a day and then vanished Jul 06 12:41:10 sure DocScrutinizer thats the way things normally go, gee the troups perhaps Jul 06 12:41:25 lcuk: I'm busy with a lot of other crap last ~4 weeks, so didn't push much Jul 06 12:41:37 * lcuk nods Jul 06 12:41:58 * hcm is also busy :( Jul 06 12:42:07 hi hcm :-) Jul 06 12:42:21 DocScrutinizer: H-E-N? Jul 06 12:42:34 h-e-n.garage.maemo.org Jul 06 12:42:53 O_o Jul 06 12:43:00 i see Jul 06 12:43:22 DocScrutinizer: I don't have an account for maemo.org, because I somehow failed to install the sdk on my old linux machine and I also have not the mood to discuss with all those iphone lovers from talk.maemo.org. Could you or someone else please file this bug? Jul 06 12:44:24 hi DocScrutinizer :) lucky coincidence that I looked here when you mentioned my name.. usually I don't read much here, takes too much time.. Jul 06 12:44:25 tobis87: you don't need to discuss with tmo iphone lovers. bugtracker is a separate thing Jul 06 12:45:43 tobis87: creating an account is a matter of 2 minutes Jul 06 12:52:45 DocScrutinizer: OK, I will do this.... later this evening Jul 06 13:01:19 lcuk: hcm: seems the position of project leader in h-e-n still is vacant. I never been the lead kernel hacker, and all helping hands savvy of kernel hacking are just asking who's telling them what to do. Jul 06 13:02:50 yeah DocScrutinizer i even poked in, but ive got my own hardcore nighttime hacking to do Jul 06 13:25:05 I see my laptop name on my N900 in the first screen of media player. I click on it, it opens a page but nothing happens. Am i supposed to do anything for this to work? Jul 06 13:25:49 add music/video to the upnp server on your laptop Jul 06 13:26:07 how do I get it to work? Jul 06 13:28:18 hmm, tesseract Jul 06 13:28:40 I wonder how much effort it would take to get that to read from a raw image buffer... :) Jul 06 13:29:05 thinking of something along the lines of phototranslate? Jul 06 13:29:27 yeah, but adding it as a decoder to mBarcode Jul 06 13:29:42 depending on how cpu intensive it is that is Jul 06 13:30:20 http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100706-141810.png Jul 06 13:30:32 Prototype is coming along nicely :) Jul 06 13:30:52 wat is dat? Jul 06 13:31:09 It's a screen for an app I'm writing. Jul 06 13:31:27 kristoffffer kolumbus Jul 06 13:31:57 The app probably wont be called that, that's just what I'm using at the moment in the absence of a better name :) Jul 06 13:32:27 Arr? Jul 06 13:32:33 Like a pirate arrr Jul 06 13:32:41 ARRRR Jul 06 13:32:44 PIRATE Jul 06 13:32:57 I can feel the world cooling already Jul 06 13:36:55 nidO: so I need to install some king of upnp server on my laptop? Jul 06 13:37:25 you evidently already have a upnp server on your laptop, thats why it's appearing in the upnp servers area of your device's media player. Jul 06 13:38:11 but, I click on the icon, the loading circle shows up, and nothing displays in the list.. Jul 06 13:38:33 http://whatthecommit.com/ Jul 06 13:38:35 nothing will display in the list if you havent added any content to your upnp server to serve. Jul 06 13:38:52 um Jul 06 13:39:32 so I have to configure upnp on win7 Jul 06 13:48:20 r Jul 06 13:48:23 -r Jul 06 13:50:02 <_0x47> Anyone could help me with debugging with ESbox? (Setup is done, just debugging drives me nuts) Jul 06 14:08:59 I am using ubuntu 10.04. Whenever I terminate program using Ctrl + C. I get a sementation fault Jul 06 14:09:04 [1]+ Segmentation fault Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac Jul 06 14:10:13 shukla: af-sb-init.sh start Jul 06 14:30:26 * RST38h watches, amusedly, may2010ers discussing stuttering N900 video on tmo Jul 06 14:30:48 Write only users, indeed Jul 06 14:31:38 Great at keeping each other company though. Once the lemming finds out he is not alone, he gets all warm and fuzzy inside Jul 06 14:32:53 o/ Jul 06 14:34:05 _o/ meego -o/ Jul 06 14:34:20 How to find out what's eating my rootfs? Free space dropped from 98 megs to 50 megs and I can't figure out what could be the cause. Jul 06 14:34:39 hi. could someone enlighten me about the differences of modification of a normal file vs a device file. I'm playing around with the proximity sensor and trying to catch modifications to /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state with inotify. Normal file modifications pop up, but state ones don't. Any clues..? Jul 06 14:36:21 (and no, i don't want to implement it with a timer :P) Jul 06 14:36:34 whoever designs back covers on Nokia phones needs a good kick in the arse Jul 06 14:36:44 As I understand it - the sysnode has to explicitly support inotify/... Jul 06 14:36:54 As of course - it doesn't _actually_ exist as a file. Jul 06 14:36:57 (although looking at the N8, I think he already got it) Jul 06 14:37:02 So it has to fake it on interrupt. Jul 06 14:37:39 SpeedEvil: Oookay, i see. makes sense Jul 06 14:38:53 /usr/bin/gnu/find */fd -ls|grep prox Jul 06 14:38:53 /usr/bin/gnu/find: `4091/fd/5': No such file or directory Jul 06 14:38:53 65507 0 lr-x------ 1 root root 64 Jul 6 15:38 770/fd/16 -> /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state Jul 06 14:38:53 50227 0 lr-x------ 1 haldaemon haldaemon 64 Jul 6 15:37 844/fd/6 -> /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state Jul 06 14:38:55 for example Jul 06 14:39:11 so - look at whatever process 770 or 844 is doing to it Jul 06 14:39:31 ok Jul 06 14:39:33 mce Jul 06 14:39:47 and hald-addon-gpio Jul 06 14:40:01 MohammadAG: wanna see my latest app? :) Jul 06 14:40:13 alterego, oh boy Jul 06 14:40:22 MohammadAG: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100706-153932.png Jul 06 14:40:42 a compass app? Jul 06 14:40:46 It's a "wireframe" of the UI I'm working on. Jul 06 14:40:58 alterego: plot the sats on the compass? Jul 06 14:41:03 It's going to be more than that Jul 06 14:41:06 attached a compass to the N900? Jul 06 14:41:08 SpeedEvil: that's why it's there :P Jul 06 14:41:20 or is it based on GPS Jul 06 14:41:24 MohammadAG: GPS Jul 06 14:41:28 aww Jul 06 14:42:32 SpeedEvil: The circle compass, looks kind of useless because the top compass is more effective. But it will display GPS sat location and the rings will be used to indicate how good the lock is, a green inner ring will be good lock, orage middle will be okay, and red fouter will be poor. Jul 06 14:42:37 Or something like that. Jul 06 14:42:49 I've not started working on the "theme" engine yet, but that will be completely customisable in the end. Jul 06 14:43:04 That's just one screen out of the program though and it's not complete yet. Jul 06 14:43:10 alterego, does it share my exact longitude/latitude on telepathy? Jul 06 14:43:10 :P Jul 06 14:43:12 Just wanted to start showing off :) Jul 06 14:43:25 ah Jul 06 14:43:30 MohammadAG: I was going to possible include that, it's on my "Possible features" list. Jul 06 14:43:45 moo macer Jul 06 14:43:56 At the moment I'm refactoring my custom widgets. Jul 06 14:44:15 alterego, yay, you're turning maemo into android :P Jul 06 14:44:32 alterego: have you seen 'mappero' - 'gps details' -> satelite details Jul 06 14:44:32 MohammadAG: I personally think the coolest feature will be the ability to stick any of my custom widgets on the home screen, so you can effectively create your own GPS UI Jul 06 14:44:42 SpeedEvil: I think I saw a screen shot. Jul 06 14:44:57 SpeedEvil: my app isn't a mapper, at least, I don't intend it to be one. Jul 06 14:45:05 It's a "Navigation Tool" :) Jul 06 14:45:05 anyone here used tesseract on maemo? How fast/slow did it run? Jul 06 14:45:15 alterego: will it support tonal Tims? Jul 06 14:45:24 luke-jr: I don't know what that is Jul 06 14:45:37 I mean - there are several apps that show a flat projetion of the sky hemisphere - and onto that - plot the satellite numbers and signal strengths. Jul 06 14:45:41 alterego: boo Jul 06 14:45:58 http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 Jul 06 14:46:04 did anyone succeed in compiling the ksb26 kernel module for the n900? I tried to compile it on the device, but it seems it is too x86 specific. uses x86 semaphore and byteorder asm. Jul 06 14:46:07 lardman, whats tesseract Jul 06 14:46:14 ksb26? Jul 06 14:46:20 I found in the root of my filesystem ('/') a file called rb.log, does anyone else here have that? Jul 06 14:46:37 myMoeUzer, what does it contain Jul 06 14:47:00 Stskeeps: http://ksb.sourceforge.net/ Jul 06 14:47:14 it just says 'GOT HERE' , a bunch of times Jul 06 14:47:27 tobis87: ah Jul 06 14:47:56 myMoeUzer: I do Jul 06 14:48:21 do you know from which application its coming from? Jul 06 14:48:31 I have around 70 installed - so no. Jul 06 14:49:07 hmmm. Jul 06 14:49:08 alterego: 22.5 degrees per Tim Jul 06 14:49:25 luke-jr: very cute Jul 06 14:49:50 luke-jr: I was planning on having different "profiles" like "marine, aero, cycle, motor" etc. Jul 06 14:50:06 So I could be persuaded into adding that, maybe ... Jul 06 14:50:18 myMoeUzer, SpeedEvil open app manager installed apps list and type "r" - are there any "rb" apps Jul 06 14:55:53 lcuk: thank you! appaerantly its coming from 'rescue-boot' Jul 06 14:58:26 myMoeUzer, :) Jul 06 15:01:14 !quit Jul 06 15:06:28 DocScrutinizer: i am surprised about your tmo post .. will the n900 work with the approx 4V from battery applied to the usb port? Jul 06 15:06:43 cehteh: 5V Jul 06 15:06:56 cehteh: it will work Jul 06 15:06:57 jacekowski: i know usb is 5V ... Jul 06 15:07:11 cehteh: 4V yes. I think it will Jul 06 15:07:11 but he suggests a dongle with a battery switch Jul 06 15:07:36 interesting Jul 06 15:07:44 Need a second opinion, BH-505, or a BH-214? Jul 06 15:08:14 Haven't used 505, but 214 works fine for me. Jul 06 15:08:18 lightspeed zulu ftw :) Jul 06 15:08:27 btw last days i did a 3day vacation with mappero on while biking on 2 batteries ... Jul 06 15:08:37 but *very* conservative battery use Jul 06 15:09:30 celluar off most of the time, pre-downloaded maps etc Jul 06 15:09:47 MohammadAG: S805 Jul 06 15:11:36 jacekowski, not used to those type of headphones, prefer in ear ones (otherwise I would've got the BH-905) :P Jul 06 15:11:42 cehteh: 'I think' here means it still needs both check vs datasheet, as well as a practical test Jul 06 15:12:07 bh-905 has compatibility probs w/n900 Jul 06 15:12:16 yeah i may try that, undervolting shouldnt harm Jul 06 15:12:24 (at least i hope so) Jul 06 15:13:05 and i still thinking about a bike charger .. or just buing this bumm e-werk Jul 06 15:13:06 why 4v? Jul 06 15:13:10 X-Fade, how's the sound quality? Jul 06 15:13:17 same as the stock headphones? Jul 06 15:13:21 solrize: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734&page=2 Jul 06 15:13:44 hmm Jul 06 15:14:09 anyways .. removing back-cover shouldnt unmount the FS .. i have to stop that too :P Jul 06 15:14:18 DocScrutinizer51: well, thing is that it depends if it will detect VBUS or not Jul 06 15:14:25 MohammadAG: It is ok for my purposes. Jul 06 15:14:41 cehteh: Input voltage lower limit Input power source detection min3.6 typ3.8 max4 V Jul 06 15:14:57 hmm, that would explain it Jul 06 15:15:23 DocScrutinizer: btw did you analyzed the power adaptor yet (the small connector which is in the pack) Jul 06 15:15:39 is that a simple linear regulator or something more smart? Jul 06 15:15:39 partially Jul 06 15:15:58 more smart. seems like a SPSU Jul 06 15:15:59 RST38h, XChat 2.8.8 source is available, any chance you'll update the maemo version? Jul 06 15:16:13 cehteh, wowww Jul 06 15:16:15 does anyone know where powertop is gone? Jul 06 15:16:22 cehteh: a lot smarter Jul 06 15:16:33 cehteh: google for bq24150 Jul 06 15:16:37 chem|st: never been 'there' Jul 06 15:16:46 Fully Integrated Switch-Mode One-Cell Li-Ion Charger with Full USB Compliance and Jul 06 15:16:47 USB-OTG Support Jul 06 15:16:59 jacekowski: the adapter probably has no bq24150 Jul 06 15:17:02 all in 1.976 x 1.946mm 20-Pin WCSP Package Jul 06 15:17:11 jacekowski: not the buildin controler but the small cable dongle Jul 06 15:17:21 cable dongle? Jul 06 15:17:31 CA-146C Jul 06 15:17:37 the one for the old nokia chargers .. forgot its part name Jul 06 15:17:58 cehteh: probably it could be used to fix the 4V issue Jul 06 15:18:03 that cable dongle thingy Jul 06 15:18:10 i am tinking about abusing it as controler for bike charging and external battery pack Jul 06 15:18:47 for the bike dynamo it makes power conditioning way easier, just rectify, zener and cap ... Jul 06 15:19:01 for battery just a 6 cell mignon pack Jul 06 15:19:11 cehteh: the problem is it has cans/shields/heatsinks sodered in a way you can't really check what chips are used Jul 06 15:19:15 cehteh, i still don't understand why 4v to the usb port, why not 5v? Jul 06 15:19:47 and it seems like lame n900 hardware design that you cant hot swap from external power without doing tricks, like you can with a laptop Jul 06 15:19:50 solrize: DocScrutinizer suggests to temporary hook a n900 battery there while changeing them Jul 06 15:19:58 solrize: because battery has 3.7 to 4.2V Jul 06 15:20:03 solrize: it's not hardware, it's software Jul 06 15:20:05 so you'd use three batteries? Jul 06 15:20:14 anyway, use a mintyboost converter or equivalent Jul 06 15:20:19 solrize: did you even read the thread i posted? Jul 06 15:20:29 http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ Jul 06 15:20:34 DocScrutinizer: btw. it doesn't look like there is any code related to thermal protection in BME itself Jul 06 15:20:35 cehteh yeah it's a good thread Jul 06 15:20:51 but it says there's some emergency charge mode that doesn't have enough power to run all the hardware at once Jul 06 15:20:58 which is why it seems like lame hardware design Jul 06 15:21:22 DocScrutinizer: are the 1.5mm and 2mm ports brided to the same input or treated differently? Jul 06 15:21:50 jacekowski: mhm. Stskeeps(?) mentioned it's a co-work of bme and mce or some other *e Jul 06 15:21:59 dsme Jul 06 15:22:32 cehteh: they are both equiped with a schottky to protect aginst reverse voltage Jul 06 15:22:49 DocScrutinizer: yeah, dsme pulls temperature from bme Jul 06 15:22:57 DocScrutinizer: and seems to return alarm conditions Jul 06 15:23:14 DocScrutinizer: when i have some time i give it a try Jul 06 15:23:51 well, I have a switchable PSU here, could test with 4.5V and with 3V Jul 06 15:23:59 would be awesome when i get bike charging work with very simple hardware Jul 06 15:24:31 i can try it tomorrow with full range 0-30V Jul 06 15:24:41 have fun with 30V :) Jul 06 15:24:44 * Myrtti pokes lcuk Jul 06 15:25:48 * lcuk looks up at Myrtti Jul 06 15:25:55 heya konttori \o Jul 06 15:25:56 lcuk: see twitter Jul 06 15:26:03 cehteh: jacekowski: indeed :-P Jul 06 15:26:24 HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Jul 06 15:26:36 Myrtti, you are a goddess tytytytytytyty for finding that Jul 06 15:26:38 lcuk: I love you too Jul 06 15:26:40 ♥ Jul 06 15:26:50 http://www.istyles.com/nokia-nokia-n900-c-292_567_700.html Jul 06 15:26:55 Myrtti: you're a female? Jul 06 15:26:56 how awesome are those :D Jul 06 15:27:21 they're not as nice as Gelaskins IMO, but I bet you can find something nice from there :-) Jul 06 15:27:31 jacekowski: news at yesterday at 1100 Jul 06 15:27:32 lcuk: are you looking to rice out your N900? :D Jul 06 15:27:54 er whats on twitter? those n900 cases?? Jul 06 15:28:09 they are nice Jul 06 15:28:29 Robot101: I riced out my N1 with another skin today ♥ Jul 06 15:28:41 AND GUESS WHAT COLOUR!? Jul 06 15:28:50 BLUE! Jul 06 15:28:59 *BWWEEEP* Jul 06 15:29:00 the Collabora company colours, of course ;) Jul 06 15:29:01 Robot101, ive wanted decent skins for ages - wjt got first pink one for tracy but that was crap so she got another that was also crap, now these are transfers and will work sooooooooo much better Jul 06 15:29:02 http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4767539243/ Jul 06 15:29:07 ok I am stuck at load 1.1 again not even rebooting helped this time Jul 06 15:29:24 haha, wallpaper and skin alignment... neat :) Jul 06 15:29:33 http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4767539243/ ♥ pink Jul 06 15:29:42 meh, that's the same one... Jul 06 15:29:44 shame it's an android phone though, I gave mine away because it was annoying me :) Jul 06 15:30:19 Robot101: nobody gave me a N900 and I used my money on buying an eReader, so... *shrug* Jul 06 15:30:23 http://www.istyles.com/birth-idea-nokia-n900-skin-p-32559.html Jul 06 15:30:59 Myrtti, speaking of ereaders - http://liqbase.net/20100626_003.mp4 ;) Jul 06 15:31:08 GODDAMMIT terminator opens up firefox... Jul 06 15:31:32 Myrtti: sei ruhig Jul 06 15:32:23 ok then... Jul 06 15:33:17 Myrtti, im so pleased we had coffee in .fi last time i was there now :D Jul 06 15:35:48 zOMG you can have COFFEE in finland? Jul 06 15:35:51 wowzers! Jul 06 15:36:13 really only... ish.. :P Jul 06 15:37:08 tybollt: here, have a lollipop Jul 06 15:37:19 you definitely need some cheering up Jul 06 15:38:20 Myrtti: I'm swedish... you know the people who commit suicide ;P Jul 06 15:44:57 how cheery. such a positive attitude today. What a good thing I didn't log in to IRC earlier today. Jul 06 15:50:20 is there a camera app that can save raw/png/anything lossless? Jul 06 15:51:58 tiff Jul 06 15:52:00 so does anyone know a good alternative to ksb26, which can "intercept and redirect tcp connections through socks 4/5 chains" <- which would be especially usefull, because you cannot define proxies for all programs. Jul 06 15:52:01 uncompressed Jul 06 15:52:43 http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html Jul 06 15:52:45 hahahhaha! Jul 06 15:52:55 the lost one cracked me up Jul 06 15:55:04 Macer: the "no reward" bit was awesome Jul 06 15:55:46 lcuk: sorry got called away, it's an OCR engine Jul 06 15:55:51 got to go now, but with bbiab Jul 06 15:59:09 * mneptok pokes Myrtti with the Stick Of All Poking Jul 06 16:06:26 * chem|st is getting tired of restarting hildon-* stuff Jul 06 16:06:49 chem|st: developing something dodgy? :P Jul 06 16:07:09 alterego: nope just basic behaviour Jul 06 16:07:20 chem|st: like ? Jul 06 16:07:36 after 48h hildon-home freezes 1st restart Jul 06 16:07:54 Weird .. Jul 06 16:07:57 Don't have that problem Jul 06 16:08:17 after 72h something puts my load to 1.2+ Jul 06 16:08:44 and makes the battery drain that fast that I have to charge every night Jul 06 16:09:42 I had that with python stuff and PR1.1 after 96h Jul 06 16:10:03 now I got it with PR1.2 after 48h freeze Jul 06 16:10:20 and no python stuff to blame :( Jul 06 16:10:31 ok, tsocks would also work, but every program needs then to be started from the shell. Jul 06 16:11:04 first time I had that load going up to 1.2+ I started/stopped fmtx and it was gone Jul 06 16:11:22 after I rebootet Jul 06 16:12:11 second time again no action after reboot, restarting -home, fmtx didn't do anything good Jul 06 16:12:53 then I stopped various processes till I hit one the watchdog was after and the device rebooted itself, then it was back to normal... Jul 06 16:13:12 and so on Jul 06 16:13:35 I cannot reproduce the problem and I cannot reproduce the solution Jul 06 16:13:57 most of the time a reboot doesn't help Jul 06 16:14:40 this time I restarted all hildon-* things then I rebooted still nothing, then I restarted -home again and it was back to normal... Jul 06 16:22:29 moo. Jul 06 16:28:27 μ Jul 06 16:43:50 anyone know whats up with the upstart package missing sysvinit-utils missing dependencies? Jul 06 16:44:47 hi evrybody Jul 06 16:47:03 µ? Jul 06 16:48:05 mu Jul 06 16:51:36 hey kerio how are you ? Jul 06 16:51:54 fine Jul 06 16:51:57 you? Jul 06 16:52:20 fine fine I had to reflash my n900 since I broke some system files :D Jul 06 16:52:28 but now is OK Jul 06 16:52:34 oh crap mame 0.138u1 Jul 06 16:53:24 actually I want ton install firefox but I dont know if I had to add a repository or to use the firefox website Jul 06 16:53:37 if you go to firefox.com/m Jul 06 16:53:44 there's a 'download' link Jul 06 16:53:51 which will add the repo & then download ff Jul 06 16:54:16 ok, i need 217gb, 8mb, 804kb and 635b Jul 06 16:54:19 on my n900 Jul 06 16:55:00 what's the biggest microsd i can use? Jul 06 16:55:10 mortini: ok thanks Jul 06 16:57:33 err, you "need 217gb" ?? Jul 06 16:57:45 kerio: why so much :d Jul 06 16:57:57 timeless: full mame romset for 0.138u1 Jul 06 16:58:17 you're not going to be able to do better than 64gb if that w/ the n900 Jul 06 16:58:21 timeless: should be doable via sshfs'ing an external disk ;) Jul 06 16:58:41 timeless: sshfs? Jul 06 16:58:50 mikki-kun beat me to it! Jul 06 16:59:00 * timeless is pretty sure that wasn't listed as a supported configuration by the person w/ the need Jul 06 16:59:28 As I understand it, sdxc should be quite doable. Jul 06 16:59:44 SpeedEvil: sdxc is not supported imo by the cardreader... Jul 06 16:59:57 i just need to wait for the usb host guys to do their magic Jul 06 17:00:05 then i guess i can walk around with a portable hd Jul 06 17:00:10 you guys are all nuts Jul 06 17:00:12 ;) Jul 06 17:00:14 kerio: don't expect too much for that though... Jul 06 17:00:20 sshfs makes more sense Jul 06 17:00:35 but how am i going to play metal slug in a place with no coverage? Jul 06 17:00:41 mikki-kun: It's not a cardreader, it's a SD/SDIO interface unit. As I understand it, it can do it no problems. I haven't yet found a nice spec though. Jul 06 17:00:41 not to mention my data plan is crappy Jul 06 17:00:49 you own 217gb of games? Jul 06 17:00:53 * timeless finds that surprising Jul 06 17:01:01 i'm not sure i own 217gb of movies Jul 06 17:01:01 'own' is possibly a strong term. Jul 06 17:01:12 timeless: well, there are a lot of games that just don't work Jul 06 17:01:17 a movie is what, 2gb? Jul 06 17:01:18 in multiple versions, based on the country Jul 06 17:01:19 SpeedEvil: and i read somewhere, that the new fat-design is in some way licensed... Jul 06 17:01:19 haha SpeedEvil Jul 06 17:01:34 timeless: I easily have a couple TB of anime Jul 06 17:01:46 kerio: you want to carry around and play games that just don't work? Jul 06 17:01:50 * timeless shakes head Jul 06 17:01:55 timeless: this is supposed to be the future! Jul 06 17:01:58 anime, now there is something i will never understand Jul 06 17:02:01 mikki-kun: That's assuming you care about xfat - or whatever it's called Jul 06 17:02:05 ok Jul 06 17:02:07 tmobile is pissing me off Jul 06 17:02:18 i want to cancel the easypay crap an do things on my own bank web site Jul 06 17:02:19 luke-jr: i enjoyed anime in college Jul 06 17:02:20 cure`: that's like saying you'll never understand 3D rendered series Jul 06 17:02:27 timeless: is the internal flash replaceable? Jul 06 17:02:27 and i know plenty of friends w/ sizable collections Jul 06 17:02:28 and the link to cancel it has been broken for like 3 weeks Jul 06 17:02:33 kerio: yes Jul 06 17:02:34 SpeedEvil: xfat, thanks... that was its name... Jul 06 17:02:39 kerio: In principle. Jul 06 17:02:41 SpeedEvil: what's the biggest i can buy? Jul 06 17:02:43 isnt avatar essentially anime? Jul 06 17:02:43 kerio: In practice, no. Jul 06 17:02:54 i guess i might have 1tb of movies assuming each dvd i own is 5gb Jul 06 17:02:58 i didnt like avatar either :P Jul 06 17:03:03 kerio: In that with the right soldering station, you can replace it. Jul 06 17:03:06 lcuk, nah Jul 06 17:03:06 for the thin storyline Jul 06 17:03:08 (probably not though) Jul 06 17:03:11 SpeedEvil: problem just being with xfat is, it seems to be the new standart as manufacturers seem on picking it up Jul 06 17:03:15 timeless: I've found rewatching stuff I liked years ago is dull, so as with all content, your tastes change over time :P Jul 06 17:03:18 timeless: well, tekken 4 has three versions - and neither one of those works Jul 06 17:03:23 cure`: my wife pointed out, quite rightly, that it's _Dances_With_Wolves_ in space. Jul 06 17:03:29 lcuk: avatars are like icons... Jul 06 17:03:30 * lcuk isnt terribly good at naming comicstyles Jul 06 17:03:30 mikki-kun: Sure. Doesn't mean you can't put ext4 on it Jul 06 17:03:33 lol Jul 06 17:03:33 lcuk, anime carries a different meaning nowadays :p Jul 06 17:03:35 let me live chat with an india indian Jul 06 17:03:36 luke-jr, shush i meant the movie Jul 06 17:03:38 :) Jul 06 17:03:40 i'm sure he can do it Jul 06 17:03:42 lcuk: movie? Jul 06 17:03:44 (or she) Jul 06 17:03:56 anyway, some of my college mates would buy anime once it was officially available in English Jul 06 17:03:58 luke-jr, LOL Jul 06 17:04:07 timeless: dubs aren't anime, they're lame copyoffs Jul 06 17:04:12 its like, the movie starts and within 10 minutes you'll know where its gonna end Jul 06 17:04:13 SpeedEvil: hm, i am hoping either manufacturers steer away from xfat or it'll get free to use Jul 06 17:04:17 luke-jr, I hope you're kidding http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/ Jul 06 17:04:23 MohammadAG: no, why? Jul 06 17:04:24 luke-jr, i am eternally surprised you have anything more advanced than an abacus Jul 06 17:04:26 luke-jr: i think generally official subtitles Jul 06 17:04:34 or official alternate audio tracks Jul 06 17:04:38 not necessarily dubs Jul 06 17:04:45 mikki-kun: There is no alternative at all Jul 06 17:04:48 i watched the "taxi" series of french movies this week Jul 06 17:04:48 timeless: often the commercial subtitles suck too :/ Jul 06 17:04:53 mikki-kun: They can't stay away from it. Jul 06 17:05:03 lcuk, heh, they're cool, watched them years ago though :( Jul 06 17:05:03 and the last one had english subtitles that must have come directly from google translate Jul 06 17:05:06 it was awful Jul 06 17:05:06 SpeedEvil: why can't they stay away from it? Jul 06 17:05:09 might rewatch them :D Jul 06 17:05:16 movies are cool Jul 06 17:05:19 really chilled Jul 06 17:05:44 I would be slightly surprised if someone didn't think Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 was worth watching ;) Jul 06 17:05:46 iirc Princess Monokome and perhaps Ghost in the Shell had US releases Jul 06 17:05:48 tracy came upstairs and when she realised it was foreign assumed it was pron Jul 06 17:05:51 (after having seen it, ofc) Jul 06 17:05:51 mikki-kun: Selling a camera that can record only onto an ext4 filesystem, which cannot be (simply) read by - say - 99% of people. Jul 06 17:06:01 timeless: I never cared for those genres Jul 06 17:06:19 * timeless shrugs Jul 06 17:06:37 lcuk: this Avatar movie looks live action, not anime Jul 06 17:06:40 my point is that i'm not entirely supportive of people who say "it's ok to steal foreign content" Jul 06 17:06:51 SpeedEvil: hm... good point... man, this is really all m$ fault Jul 06 17:06:54 luke-jr, the actors are computer generated and BLUE Jul 06 17:07:03 timeless: me either Jul 06 17:07:04 only the smurfs are similar Jul 06 17:07:11 timeless: but I can't find a place to buy TM8 at all :/ Jul 06 17:07:14 lcuk: saw the south park spoof of avatar? Jul 06 17:07:27 lcuk: CG isn't anime either Jul 06 17:07:28 kerio, nope, i dont watch cartoons Jul 06 17:07:41 but im gona anyway, time for simpsons Jul 06 17:07:48 Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 ? Jul 06 17:08:00 I'm a lot more supportive of 'stealing' content you can't - for no good reason - buy. Jul 06 17:08:13 http://www.google.com/products?q=+Tokyo+Magnitude+8.0&aq=f Jul 06 17:08:16 timeless: yeah, that's not really in a genre I like either, but it's unavoidably worth watching Jul 06 17:08:27 $18.19 new Jul 06 17:08:28 Logicalmart USA Jul 06 17:09:43 speedevil: hence my comment about people who would buy it once it was available in the us market Jul 06 17:09:56 timeless: good find O.o Jul 06 17:10:00 timeless: sure that's licensed? Jul 06 17:10:14 luke-jr: i was tempted to wonder that aloud Jul 06 17:10:20 * timeless isn't sure how to tell Jul 06 17:10:27 my friends from college would know... Jul 06 17:10:43 all I found the other day was Region 2 Jul 06 17:10:59 Disc Type : DVD x 1 Jul 06 17:11:10 pretty sure TM8 was only ever made in a series of 5 DVDs/BluRay Jul 06 17:11:11 it's listed as region free Jul 06 17:11:26 * timeless really wonders how to figure out if it's licensed :( Jul 06 17:11:57 * lcuk bangs head on wall Jul 06 17:12:00 they claim to be based in UK Jul 06 17:12:17 presumably you could contact a BB in the UK or something for reputation info Jul 06 17:12:30 who's this? Jul 06 17:12:36 http://www.logicalmart.com/about.php Jul 06 17:14:18 I see no actual company address... Jul 06 17:14:43 and HQ is in 3 countries Jul 06 17:15:15 lardman: i don't know anything about the UK Jul 06 17:15:23 but is it possible to figure out if a company is real? Jul 06 17:15:24 metal slug lags Jul 06 17:15:25 :( Jul 06 17:15:26 timeless: Mostly harmless. Jul 06 17:15:32 timeless: Define real. Jul 06 17:15:40 You can look up companies house records Jul 06 17:15:47 has articles of incorporation Jul 06 17:15:49 SpeedEvil: selling copyrighted materials legitimately Jul 06 17:16:02 has been established for as long as it claims Jul 06 17:16:12 timeless: yeah, Companies House should have details of the directors Jul 06 17:16:15 http://www.logicalmart.co.uk/terms.asp claims "All items sold by logicalmart.com are licensed, legal for sale and technically compliant in the countries of dispatch. " Jul 06 17:16:18 http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/2816a71d5c06e8465ced4eb52ed33174/wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo Jul 06 17:16:38 the real goal here is to ensure that the company is selling properly licensed media Jul 06 17:17:15 speedevil: eep, my irc client split that at .gov., so i was going to ask a stupid question :) Jul 06 17:17:27 * timeless joins the .uk portion Jul 06 17:18:02 speedevil's link doesn't seem to list it :( Jul 06 17:18:06 * lardman feels his skin crawl writing VB6 code Jul 06 17:18:26 * SpeedEvil ponders rewriting his tesco scraper. Jul 06 17:18:33 They 'improved' the website. Jul 06 17:18:37 heh Jul 06 17:19:01 SpeedEvil: if someone makes a claim to be headquartered in .uk, and has a .uk domain Jul 06 17:19:10 is it possible to go after them if they aren't incorporated? Jul 06 17:19:11 OTOH - the nutritional info looks easier to parse. Jul 06 17:19:23 timeless: I think not - there are very few requirements IIRC Jul 06 17:19:53 SpeedEvil: mBarcode plugin! Jul 06 17:20:23 Nominet say: 4.4 We do not impose restrictions on your status as applicant for the registration of a Domain Name in the following SLDs ("Open SLDs"): 4.4.1 .co.uk; or 4.4.2 .org.uk. Jul 06 17:20:29 So, no Jul 06 17:20:39 :( Jul 06 17:20:49 lardman: no barcode data still - well - except incidentally where the packages happen to show it Jul 06 17:20:55 but if they trade legally they must be a company Jul 06 17:20:59 presumably? Jul 06 17:21:02 luke-jr: if i were you, and i was interested Jul 06 17:21:06 lardman: no Jul 06 17:21:08 SpeedEvil: oh, shame Jul 06 17:21:12 i'd contact them and ask for info Jul 06 17:21:21 you might be able to contact their credit card processor too Jul 06 17:21:41 lardman: it's legal to trade with - IIRC - not telling anyone but the taxman - if you're small enough Jul 06 17:21:48 if they turn out to be bogus, do the web a favor and call them out on some of the rating services Jul 06 17:22:18 SpeedEvil: fair enough Jul 06 17:22:44 heya lardman Jul 06 17:22:56 http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.logicalmart.com Jul 06 17:23:00 not a good sign :( Jul 06 17:23:02 hi RST38h Jul 06 17:23:34 * lardman gets bored of portmon logs and goes to do the washing up, bbiab Jul 06 17:23:59 :( Jul 06 17:24:08 i wonder if you can complain to google product search Jul 06 17:24:11 yay mame is unusable Jul 06 17:24:37 timeless: they're not the only store w/ that DVD Jul 06 17:25:13 * timeless nods Jul 06 17:25:17 still sucks though Jul 06 17:26:12 so is it just me, or does meegotouch in the maemo repos seem half-assed? Jul 06 17:26:39 * timeless chuckles Jul 06 17:26:42 why do you ask? :) Jul 06 17:26:50 as long as it works with your fingers, i dont care for buttock interface quality Jul 06 17:27:03 heh Jul 06 17:29:37 timeless: BTW, ethical opinion on downloading fansubs and, if I like it, buying (unusable to me) Region 2 DVDs? :p Jul 06 17:31:26 luke-jr: i'd do it Jul 06 17:31:45 timeless, you literally can't build apps against it because of dep issues Jul 06 17:31:59 trip0, are you trying to build in maemo? Jul 06 17:32:06 if so, GOOD Jul 06 17:32:14 we need to iron out whatever may be there Jul 06 17:32:16 lcuk, i'm trying to build a meegotouch app in maemo Jul 06 17:32:20 it's kinda unfortunate that japan and europe are in the same region Jul 06 17:32:31 because you're not able to show the vendor that there's demand in the US Jul 06 17:32:44 ok trip0 what problems do you keep having? Jul 06 17:33:08 lcuk, autobuilder fails to bring in libmeegotouch-dev because libcontextsubscriber-dev is unavailable Jul 06 17:33:28 eww Jul 06 17:33:32 timeless: I don't get it Jul 06 17:34:21 so... Jul 06 17:34:24 timeless: also, I think that's a feature that will come with the next generation of artistic distribution (legal p2p and such)-- allowing people to buy derivative works legitimately (eg, fansubs) Jul 06 17:34:34 one goal is to encourage the producer to produce content which you can play Jul 06 17:34:42 that is, by paying for the license to get the derivative Jul 06 17:35:04 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/libmeegotouch-dev/0.20.25-1.o20100705150722+0m6/ Jul 06 17:35:05 * timeless nods Jul 06 17:35:10 ahh yes trip0 Jul 06 17:35:18 why is meegotouch in nonfree? Jul 06 17:35:27 we're stupid ;-) Jul 06 17:35:31 heh, good question Jul 06 17:35:32 :P Jul 06 17:35:33 it's usually a good reason Jul 06 17:35:40 because by touching yourself you give up your freedom? Jul 06 17:35:43 it probably means it was built by a nokia builder Jul 06 17:35:46 and uploaded raw Jul 06 17:35:51 instead of using the autobuilder Jul 06 17:36:01 mozilla used to be in non-free Jul 06 17:36:05 well it was uploaded without deps too Jul 06 17:36:13 whups Jul 06 17:36:35 trip0, do you want to post on maemo-dev mailing list about this and lets see who or what can be poked to get it updated Jul 06 17:36:44 * lcuk will followup in the morning Jul 06 17:37:04 trip0: i'd request you file a bug in bugs.maemo.org Jul 06 17:37:12 i'll file a bug Jul 06 17:37:17 :) Jul 06 17:37:26 reasonable enough Jul 06 17:37:28 * timeless filed a few package bugs this week Jul 06 17:37:48 yeah that would be why i couldnt get any of the official meego apps to build Jul 06 17:37:49 some clever guy made a source package for linux kernel headers Jul 06 17:37:50 doh, i have to create account Jul 06 17:37:53 so much for being lazy Jul 06 17:37:58 which is just as big as the linux kernel source package :o Jul 06 17:38:12 yeah i saw timeless - that was on meego though wasnt it Jul 06 17:38:19 yep Jul 06 17:39:00 i mentioned the ML though because some coverage in normal circles that people are trying to build meegotouch apps on maemo would be good Jul 06 17:39:29 oh yeah, please don't take my "please file a bug" as "don't send mail to the lists" Jul 06 17:39:29 trip0, once you file bug, let me know, ill tail onto cc Jul 06 17:39:53 i am interested in seeing what specifics are needed for meegtouch apps in maemo Jul 06 17:40:50 what's meegotouch? Jul 06 17:40:56 meego libraries for maemo? Jul 06 17:41:06 yes basically Jul 06 17:41:10 well Jul 06 17:41:14 it's a ui toolkit for meego Jul 06 17:42:04 * lcuk goes making chips Jul 06 17:44:45 * MohammadAG51 visits lcuk Jul 06 17:45:25 /dcc lcuk get chips Jul 06 17:45:45 > In March 2009, former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown received a "wrong region" message on a screen when attempting to watch a DVD set of classic American movies received as a diplomatic gift from US President Barack Obama.[22] Jul 06 17:45:47 awesome Jul 06 17:45:49 wait, better be sure Jul 06 17:46:00 whoops, sent the real command Jul 06 17:46:05 lol Jul 06 17:46:30 seen GNUtoo Jul 06 17:47:14 ~seen GNUtoo Jul 06 17:47:17 gnutoo <~gnutoo@host23-160-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 2d 22h 21m 35s ago, saying: 'maybe ask PaulFertser '. Jul 06 17:48:04 * lardman need a Windows reboot, back soon Jul 06 17:53:05 lcuk, is there a product I should be filing against? Jul 06 17:53:50 maemo6 tech preview? Jul 06 17:54:16 sounds reasonable Jul 06 17:54:30 MohammadAG51, sure come over, i cut too many Jul 06 17:56:17 lcuk, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10882 Jul 06 17:56:18 Bug 10882: libmeegotouch-dev has missing dependencies Jul 06 17:56:29 nice Jul 06 17:57:19 trip0, cool Jul 06 17:57:24 VOTED for this bug Jul 06 17:57:28 and added self to cc Jul 06 17:57:44 yay Jul 06 17:57:45 anyone else interested in playing with meego touch applications on maremo need to see this bug highlighted and fixed Jul 06 17:57:50 maemo Jul 06 18:00:27 re Jul 06 18:01:29 hey lardman|gone Jul 06 18:02:07 hi lcuk Jul 06 18:09:42 * lcuk sighs Jul 06 18:09:57 :P Jul 06 18:10:12 lol trip0 Jul 06 18:10:17 something else actually ;) Jul 06 18:10:22 oh Jul 06 18:10:51 heh Jul 06 18:11:13 lcuk, btw, i've run meegotouch apps on a netbook... Jul 06 18:11:21 i do like lots of things about running them Jul 06 18:11:40 but but but but thats like does not compute! Jul 06 18:11:52 on a netbook, it's actually easier to use than say, gnome apps Jul 06 18:12:03 i bet sometimes they are Jul 06 18:12:12 except for when keyboard and scroll wheel are required Jul 06 18:12:19 can be overcome Jul 06 18:12:30 ive gone back to not having a keyboard on my n900 Jul 06 18:13:00 * lcuk has it on a stand in portrait mode and is finding out how much requires neck snapping to look right Jul 06 18:13:07 haha Jul 06 18:13:52 tho im liking portrait mode for laying out things :) feels more roomier Jul 06 18:15:53 hehe Jul 06 18:17:50 meegotouch runs slow on the n900 :( Jul 06 18:18:02 you have the dependencies? Jul 06 18:18:12 * trip0 installed widgetsgallery Jul 06 18:18:28 somehow... that's available Jul 06 18:18:28 widgetsgallery burns cpu cycles like a nuclear powerplant Jul 06 18:18:33 yes, it does Jul 06 18:18:34 haha Jul 06 18:19:04 but it appears to do what it says on the tin Jul 06 18:20:36 i wonder if its because themedaemon isn't running... Jul 06 18:20:45 (the slowness/high cpu-ness) Jul 06 18:21:05 high cpu seems like its update method Jul 06 18:21:08 and not realising its idle Jul 06 18:21:26 hrm, fremantle1.2 is now merging its index :) Jul 06 18:22:09 timeless, what does that mean? Jul 06 18:22:23 mxr.maemo.org has fremantle1.0 basically Jul 06 18:22:31 lcuk, hmm... just sitting here, widgetsgallery is at 0cpu% Jul 06 18:22:31 i skipped 1.1 ... Jul 06 18:22:44 when i scroll it goes up to 45% but is choppy as hell Jul 06 18:22:45 but i just set up a new system to do indexing Jul 06 18:22:50 and it's doing them incrementally Jul 06 18:23:00 so it indexes one directory at a time (512 of them) Jul 06 18:23:05 and then it merges Jul 06 18:23:11 hmm perhaps it was updated then trip0 (hopefully) Jul 06 18:23:13 you have a pm btw Jul 06 18:23:19 bbl food ready Jul 06 18:23:31 (Pass 4) identifier 3013400 [upstart] of 460 / 512 files... Jul 06 18:24:19 the incremental bit should enable me to better handle cases where there's an update to just one package Jul 06 18:25:27 it should only show the meego content :) Jul 06 18:25:32 oops, wrong window Jul 06 18:27:12 wtf just happened.. I didn't input my pin code for ... 30 minutes or so.. and now N900 booted to some weird mode.. :) Jul 06 18:28:01 Like I don't have a window manager .. and one desktop.. with all the widgets from every other desktop too.. :) Jul 06 18:30:37 Hmm.. I didn't even enter my locking code.. Jul 06 18:30:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57906 yikes Jul 06 18:31:20 I am here program? Jul 06 18:31:36 might it be that one? It's a stealthy bugger.. ;) Jul 06 18:36:12 it baffles me how a keyboard manufacture can release an expensive keyboard that can't properly be used as a keyboard :< Jul 06 18:39:04 ooh, all done Jul 06 18:39:39 Has anyone seen error message like this @ N900: screen goes white with Nokia logo (same as boot) and upper left corner has green text "unexpected malfunction. device will shutdown in 10 seconds" :D Jul 06 18:40:03 * cehteh hopes never seeing that Jul 06 18:40:42 well .. what did you do to your device? custom kernel, overclocking, faulty reflashing, dropping, became wet? ... Jul 06 18:40:56 Phone did boot up after taking battery out, but I still reflashed since I could not figure out what was eating the rootfs... Jul 06 18:41:26 huh? Jul 06 18:41:41 cehteh, I suspect it was because of overclocking and something corrupted. Jul 06 18:41:45 so you reflashed now and it works again or it doesnt work since you reflashed? Jul 06 18:42:07 cehteh, works fine after reflash :) Jul 06 18:42:20 too much overclocking then Jul 06 18:42:23 And OC @ 950mHz. Jul 06 18:42:54 some vital data got corrupted, filesystem structure or whatever Jul 06 18:43:00 cehteh, probable that's the case. It just was a small wtf-moment when the text appeared :P Jul 06 18:43:11 maybe even some hardware damaged .. have fun :P Jul 06 18:43:32 cehteh, that's risk I have chosen to take :P Jul 06 18:43:55 i have mine at 750Mhz, wont go any higher Jul 06 18:45:30 mine is 850 right now Jul 06 18:45:43 but it's more stable at 750 Jul 06 18:45:52 sooner or later people will fry their device :P Jul 06 18:46:00 just get several n900s and make a cluster Jul 06 18:46:22 better battery life than overclocking, and cheaper in the long run Jul 06 18:48:49 Never had any stability-issues even with 1050mHz. Jul 06 18:49:07 you had at least one ... Jul 06 18:49:28 besides a lot if errors leap in silently and corrupt data in the back Jul 06 18:49:33 cehteh, heh :D Jul 06 18:49:52 BCMM, wheres the clustering software, i have the n900s :P Jul 06 18:49:56 BCMM, don't have enough pockets for a cluster made of N900s :P Jul 06 18:50:01 * lcuk is working on clustering tho ;) Jul 06 18:50:03 often unnoticed, sometimes not persistent because you close the application which gets corrupted before you notice Jul 06 18:50:32 you prolly only notice errors when they damage vital data which gets written to disk Jul 06 18:51:11 (or cause a instant crash) Jul 06 18:51:33 in any way that may be only a faction of all errors which occur by overclocking Jul 06 18:51:45 Anyways, just wanted to share the bizard error. Now I'll go and warm up sauna :) Jul 06 18:52:13 with OC n900? :) Jul 06 18:52:26 not this again Jul 06 18:52:50 MohammadAG51: btw how do you manage to get a 6 minutes boot? Jul 06 18:52:53 hi Jul 06 18:52:58 cehteh, idk Jul 06 18:53:08 lol Jul 06 18:53:11 why doesn't greasemonkey work properly? Jul 06 18:53:17 telepathy loads the device a lot when signing in Jul 06 18:53:28 signing in takes a lot of time on some protocols Jul 06 18:53:31 it prompt for installing the script but clicking "Yes" results in nothong Jul 06 18:53:42 yeah, you can't really declare an OCed system stable unless you've run memtest or something for many hours Jul 06 18:53:48 hildon desktop regenerates a menu full of a shitload of icons Jul 06 18:54:27 any ideas when/how the N900 will support packet injection? Jul 06 18:55:11 raw sockets or wlan packets? Jul 06 18:55:33 MohammadAG51: wouldn't that be a simple kernel recompile? Jul 06 18:55:58 oh, what cehteh said actually Jul 06 18:56:28 well first one should be doable with stock kernel, second on, dunno how Jul 06 18:56:39 idk, for aireplay-ng Jul 06 18:56:45 wlan i suppose Jul 06 18:57:38 i thought the kernel-power already did that Jul 06 18:57:48 aireplay is reported working afaik Jul 06 18:58:58 with --deauth? Jul 06 18:59:14 Anyone seen Gizmodo RSS entries that contain a huge decimal number instead of the text??? Jul 06 19:01:59 Temperature check of the day: outside +23C, N900 +35C, sauna (soon to be) +80C, beer +4C Jul 06 19:02:09 http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/07/340x_porn-wireless.jpg Jul 06 19:02:14 priceless Jul 06 19:02:51 Beer+N900=15.5C aka dead N900 Jul 06 19:03:11 RST38h, :D Jul 06 19:04:08 RST38h, priceless photo indeed :P Jul 06 19:06:45 hah, i used to work for this guy that had all these open share pr0n shares on his laptop. he'd go to do sales calls on various client sites Jul 06 19:06:56 i always wondered what'd happen if a client found his pr0n share Jul 06 19:07:17 porn ftw Jul 06 19:07:19 esp. because some of the clients were extra-conservative Jul 06 19:07:46 can some one feel the bug report on maemo, we need new flash to watch porn on n900 Jul 06 19:09:07 ZogG: it will slow down the device Jul 06 19:09:12 so I would rather not! Jul 06 19:09:31 RST38h, porn will slow down the device? Jul 06 19:11:16 BCMM: you would only need to recompile the wlan module. Jul 06 19:13:18 D-Iivil: Flash player will Jul 06 19:13:25 What would be the easiest language to start learning if I wanted to make a GUI for simple copy / rename / move files script? Jul 06 19:13:59 There is a command line utility for showing simple dialogs Jul 06 19:14:03 For maemo5 Jul 06 19:14:05 That would probably be the best Jul 06 19:14:16 RST38h, I'm already using zenity. Jul 06 19:14:21 yep Jul 06 19:14:53 Besides that, either C++/Qt or C/Gtk+, with C++/Qt being easier Jul 06 19:14:56 D-Iivil, python imho is easy Jul 06 19:15:06 But I was thinking of coding something more intuative since it seems like I have to add lots of options to my theme color scheme selector. Jul 06 19:15:14 I would recommend Python, but then your installer would be unusable for anybody who has no Python installed Jul 06 19:15:32 nope, just depends on it :P Jul 06 19:15:37 Adding options to qt or gtk+ stuff is not a problem, as long as you have got the base program right Jul 06 19:16:00 It all becomes more or less cut&paste job at that point Jul 06 19:16:01 Does Python have some sort of visual design software for Win or Ubuntu? Jul 06 19:16:07 no Jul 06 19:16:19 but, again, visual design is overrated Jul 06 19:16:42 especially for UIs which do not require you to provide absolute placement Jul 06 19:16:45 D-Iivil: Maybe geany Jul 06 19:16:54 Geany is not a visual design tool Jul 06 19:17:04 ok, but does help a lot Jul 06 19:17:11 Not at all Jul 06 19:17:18 As I said, it does not do UI design Jul 06 19:17:30 More or less like MSVC IDE Jul 06 19:17:35 Ofcourse it would be more helpfull for the future to learn the basics and code it from the scratch. Jul 06 19:17:53 D-Iivil: For practicality reasons, I suggest Qt/C++ Jul 06 19:18:08 Already installed Nokia QT SDK but haven't yet looked into it closely. Jul 06 19:18:16 D-Iivil: You do not need it Jul 06 19:18:29 D-Iivil: Plain vanilla Scratchbox will do Jul 06 19:18:51 Madde will probably do as well Jul 06 19:18:52 scratchbox owns the Qt SDK tbh Jul 06 19:18:52 RST38h, yeah. And I already have scratchbox running. Jul 06 19:19:03 i find the deb packager retarded Jul 06 19:19:35 D-Iivil: As I said before, the visual design stuff is overrated: you will find yourself spending 70% time fighting the designer and go plain text anyway Jul 06 19:20:17 D-Iivil: One important thing is to STAY AWAY FROM AUTOTOOLS Jul 06 19:20:29 evening all Jul 06 19:20:29 lol yeah Jul 06 19:20:29 RST38h, they say notepad built more of the web than any GUI designer tool Jul 06 19:20:30 You do not need autotools to compile a Maemo app. Jul 06 19:20:42 RST38h, XChat 2.8.8, NAO Jul 06 19:20:48 lcuk: Well, notepad is stretching it Jul 06 19:21:02 lcuk: It is kinda difficult to use Jul 06 19:21:14 lcuk: But NANO does the job, indeed Jul 06 19:21:19 not really, did you see the amount of geocities hackers who spawned a generation :P Jul 06 19:21:38 Geocities and Hacker cannot be used in the same sentence Jul 06 19:22:00 and i use hacker in the gentlest manner Jul 06 19:22:03 you just did Jul 06 19:22:08 lcuk: my eyes are still rubbish from all of the tags Jul 06 19:22:15 :D Jul 06 19:22:22 lcuk: That is called "script kiddie" Jul 06 19:22:45 RST38h: geocities predated the script kiddies by a looong shot Jul 06 19:22:54 ah really... Jul 06 19:23:27 Now, I *shows age* remember when all of the javascript web chats started up... Jul 06 19:23:32 script kiddie galore Jul 06 19:23:39 script kiddies were born of a head on crash between an AOL user and geocities god Jul 06 19:24:02 lcuk: too right!!! Jul 06 19:25:29 I'm starting to feel all nostalgic for really badly designed websites and people using handles like "acidburn" Jul 06 19:25:44 noctule, relive that on myspace Jul 06 19:25:57 acidjazz, hi btw \o Jul 06 19:25:57 I may need to medicate myself by slamming my head in the fridge for an hour Jul 06 19:26:00 we were callin em script kiddies in the 80s... Jul 06 19:26:11 back when hacking x.25 was all the rage Jul 06 19:26:31 binary hacks to programs to replace title with "[doofus] was ere" Jul 06 19:26:35 lcuk: hasn't myspace died yet? Jul 06 19:26:45 yourspace mightv Jul 06 19:31:56 lo andrewfblack Jul 06 19:38:57 yo lcuk Jul 06 19:39:34 \o Jul 06 19:39:45 hi acidjazz :D Jul 06 19:40:08 * RST38h wonders what evil he should commit tonight Jul 06 19:43:20 Does anyone here know who is maintaining claws on maemo 5? Jul 06 19:43:58 the guy mentioned in the changes file? Jul 06 19:44:33 lol good point. Jul 06 20:17:36 noctule: claws works on n900 ? Jul 06 20:18:23 for long time already Jul 06 20:19:36 jacekowski: ok because if I look on the web site they juste talk about "Nokia internet tablets such as the 770, n800, or n810" Jul 06 20:20:11 well, any non opengl linux app can be ported with minimal effort Jul 06 20:20:16 well, "ported" Jul 06 20:23:30 Somebody seems to be thumbing a lot of stuff on Planet that's negative towards Nokia. Jul 06 20:23:34 Nadley: It's been ported, but the interface needs some work to make it usable Jul 06 20:23:49 ok ok Jul 06 20:24:27 last time I looked, modest had issues with gpg Jul 06 20:24:40 that said, I don't search TMO nearly as much as I should do Jul 06 20:25:08 that's why I'm wanting to either work on the UI for claws, or build my own Jul 06 20:25:47 claws is an overkill for n900 Jul 06 20:25:51 starting from scratch on an email client is probably a lot more than my current available time allows though Jul 06 20:25:59 modest is too poor instead Jul 06 20:26:23 jacekowski: could really do with something in the middle Jul 06 20:26:30 i want something like mail client in opera Jul 06 20:27:11 Haven't used opera's mail client. Anything to recommend it? Jul 06 20:29:30 well, it's simple, fast and has fast working search Jul 06 20:29:50 Does it cope reasonably well with encryption? Jul 06 20:30:11 transport level encryption or e-mail encryption? Jul 06 20:31:50 email encryption Jul 06 20:32:17 nope Jul 06 20:32:23 bah LOL Jul 06 20:32:41 i don't send anything like that over internet Jul 06 20:33:46 besides, where do you send e-mail that require encryption? Jul 06 20:34:33 Sadly, I'm one of the type that feels they should encrypt everything Jul 06 20:34:52 and I've been rather rubbish at that since getting my N900 Jul 06 20:35:06 well, i don't send any "sensitive" data over internet Jul 06 20:35:23 All data is sensitive, in one way or another ;) Jul 06 20:35:33 because you can safely assume that if somebody wants to Jul 06 20:35:47 then that data will be decrypted in less than ~20 years Jul 06 20:35:49 noctule, does irc support encryption (this channel) Jul 06 20:35:56 jacekowski: 20 years? Jul 06 20:36:01 kerio: yeah Jul 06 20:36:08 use a bigger key Jul 06 20:36:17 encryption test Jul 06 20:36:30 +OK tzNYX0EzpAw/ Jul 06 20:36:50 that's how you encrypt irc Jul 06 20:37:03 lcuk: haven't tried Jul 06 20:37:04 jacekowski, wouldn't that leave a stain Jul 06 20:37:18 kerio: well, bigger keys are easier to attack using related key attacks Jul 06 20:37:27 noctule, then you are leaking information now Jul 06 20:37:35 kerio: and 256bit vrsion of RSA have been seriously weakened Jul 06 20:37:50 lcuk: I've been bleeding data since January Jul 06 20:38:01 kerio: to the level that on half decent cluster you can bruteforce it in less than 10 years Jul 06 20:38:07 noctule, not before? Jul 06 20:38:21 lcuk: less before Jul 06 20:38:22 jacekowski: my faith in cryptography has been destroyed right now Jul 06 20:38:34 kerio: every cipher has a weak side Jul 06 20:38:44 kerio: it's only matter of finding it Jul 06 20:39:10 haha Jul 06 20:39:11 which is where human flaws usually come into it Jul 06 20:39:27 every cipher will be broken Jul 06 20:39:35 yeah, think about the most recent "spy" news Jul 06 20:39:54 27 characters, all written down for the stego app LOL Jul 06 20:40:05 don't treat cryptography as permanent way of encrypting something Jul 06 20:40:17 more like a way of delayin when plaintext will be known by attacker Jul 06 20:40:23 delaying* Jul 06 20:40:28 where delay isn't known Jul 06 20:40:40 and it can be anywhere from seconds to years Jul 06 20:40:58 I've always seen it as a method of making it a waste of effort to decrypt Jul 06 20:41:05 how about just using pure 16k RSA? Jul 06 20:41:16 noctule: with current amounts of processing power Jul 06 20:41:25 kerio: it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow Jul 06 20:41:31 but secure! Jul 06 20:41:31 :D Jul 06 20:41:37 one time pad is secure Jul 06 20:41:48 also, quantum computing would solve RSA instantly Jul 06 20:42:00 get two random numbers, check if they're the public key Jul 06 20:42:05 if they're not, destroy the universe Jul 06 20:42:17 sort of Jul 06 20:42:30 jacekowski: what was the key size for the Brazilian bloke that the FBI couldn't crack? Jul 06 20:42:38 quantum mechanics works on probability Jul 06 20:42:41 noctule: 128 bit Jul 06 20:43:04 noctule: but that's just luck Jul 06 20:43:12 The universe is awaiting the next garbage collector pass, anyway... Jul 06 20:43:18 Couldn't remember right off. At least we have an estimation of weakness Jul 06 20:43:36 It's still all probability that the very first brute force attempt cracks it Jul 06 20:43:49 noctule: yeah Jul 06 20:44:19 noctule: that's why it's important to don't allow interception Jul 06 20:44:54 jacekowski: Indeed Jul 06 20:45:07 because if data is intercepted Jul 06 20:45:11 it will be cracked Jul 06 20:45:16 in one way or another Jul 06 20:45:16 jacekowski: eventually Jul 06 20:45:33 and it's pure luck if it will be cracked when it's still usable for attacker Jul 06 20:46:03 in case of that brazilian bloke he got lucky that they couldn't crack it it in time Jul 06 20:46:26 that's why you should use 2 different ciphers as well Jul 06 20:46:53 so if somebody manages to find some flaw in a cipher you still have another Jul 06 20:46:54 Or maybe not do anything illegal. Jul 06 20:47:04 SpeedEvil: not really the point here, you know Jul 06 20:47:05 SpeedEvil: that's overrated Jul 06 20:47:09 Doing something illegal is neither here nor there Jul 06 20:47:10 :) Jul 06 20:47:30 OTP is getting more and more plausible for stuff Jul 06 20:47:59 When it comes to sending messages, I just like to know that its at least plausible that it will only be read by the recipient Jul 06 20:48:28 and I like to sign my messages so that friends and family know that I'm the one that sent it Jul 06 20:48:47 noctule: you have strange family Jul 06 20:48:52 Or that someone sending the spam in my name at least has access to my pc Jul 06 20:49:00 my family doesn't know how verify signatuere Jul 06 20:49:01 jacekowski: you have no idea LOL Jul 06 20:49:03 jacekowski: It's an extended family! Jul 06 20:49:06 :) Jul 06 20:49:13 signature* Jul 06 20:49:22 I had to teach them Jul 06 20:49:43 It just means they stop forwarding me junk, mostly LOL Jul 06 20:58:29 SpeedEvil, whats most common mechanism for OTP Jul 06 20:58:43 i tohught it was just a random sequence, formula unknown to all outside the system Jul 06 20:58:46 thought Jul 06 20:59:02 yes Jul 06 20:59:35 I mean that - for example - a 16Gb OTP would have been unthinkable 20 years ago for many apps, now it's not. Jul 06 20:59:58 And that'll get you days of voice, or decades of text messaging. Jul 06 21:00:17 ahh SpeedEvil so its prerecorded Jul 06 21:00:38 yes Jul 06 21:00:42 sure, let me fill half of my n900 to chat safely on facebook Jul 06 21:00:46 :P Jul 06 21:00:58 chat safely on facebook?!?! LMAO Jul 06 21:01:06 kerio: thank you Jul 06 21:01:14 safe? facebook? hahaha Jul 06 21:01:43 assuming encrypted text between me and the recipient Jul 06 21:03:00 kerio: it's not the method used to communicate with facebook, it's facebook itself Jul 06 21:03:07 kerio: I thought you were joking Jul 06 21:03:14 i am Jul 06 21:05:10 whew, I thought I was going to have an aneurysm for a sec Jul 06 21:06:16 so. how is meego going on the n900? Jul 06 21:06:18 :) Jul 06 21:06:50 well, technically you can use facebook to exchange GPGed messages Jul 06 21:07:06 not sure *why* one would do that Jul 06 21:07:09 but still Jul 06 21:08:07 kerio: I'll allow the possibility and the insanity on that one -l- Jul 06 21:08:40 heh Jul 06 21:09:08 bonus points if you connect to it using a public hotspot Jul 06 21:09:27 kerio: you just have to give Mark Zuckerberg your private key passphrase as he steals your car. Jul 06 21:12:24 mneptok: and sells your family into some advertising slavery ring Jul 06 21:15:17 sorry kerio they will still know you are picking up children Jul 06 21:15:22 :) Jul 06 21:15:27 good evening guys Jul 06 21:15:31 cipher or no cipher Jul 06 21:15:49 Macer: nah, i'm into milfs Jul 06 21:16:04 Venemo: Evening, how goes? Jul 06 21:16:36 kerio: mastering inane, lame Facbook sh*t? Jul 06 21:17:08 nice backronym Jul 06 21:17:33 noctule, well, thanks for asking :) Jul 06 21:17:39 noctule: how about you? Jul 06 21:18:14 Venemo: not too bad, just irritating everyone by yammering about encrypted email Jul 06 21:19:16 thank you, thank you. i'm here all week. try the veal. Jul 06 21:19:18 noctule: I'm working on some features for Sticky Notes :) Jul 06 21:19:37 Venemo: nice, what've you got lined up? Jul 06 21:20:03 mneptok: what, no tipping the waitresses? Jul 06 21:20:35 noctule: most of the stuff in the "planned features" section of its thread, plus some more stuff Jul 06 21:20:49 noctule: I managed to incorporate Hildon-Extras in it, too Jul 06 21:21:53 Venemo: excellent, when do you need a tester? Jul 06 21:22:40 noctule: if you feel like it, I can send you a pre-release .deb in some time :) Jul 06 21:23:23 Venemo: that would be great, just send me the link and I'll test away Jul 06 21:23:32 noctule: thanks :) Jul 06 21:24:03 Venemo: np Jul 06 21:24:54 noctule: are you familiar with Sticky Notes btw, or you're just being kind? :) Jul 06 21:25:58 * lcuk makes a note on Venemo's n900: accept the kindness of others without question :p Jul 06 21:26:18 Venemo: familiar, haven't played with it much yet though Jul 06 21:26:30 lcuk: :P Jul 06 21:26:34 noctule: thx :) Jul 06 21:28:11 Venemo: my memory is rubbish, was it you that I was discussing the EVE online widget with? Jul 06 21:28:23 This is months back, btw Jul 06 21:29:00 noctule: yes, it was me Jul 06 21:29:20 Venemo: thought so =) Jul 06 21:29:24 noctule: while the EVE app is still in progress, I wanted some proof-of concept for my multi-widget solution Jul 06 21:29:47 Venemo: my desktop twitter app is still disappointing Jul 06 21:29:54 noctule: some people liked it, so I uploaded to -devel, and now even more people like it. I also received some ideas and feature requests Jul 06 21:29:58 noctule: how so? Jul 06 21:30:24 Venemo: trying to limit the features lol Jul 06 21:30:35 noctule: I know the feeling Jul 06 21:30:44 Venemo: I think TweeGo is a pretty good app, and it serves its niche Jul 06 21:31:09 noctule: I haven't tried it yet (I don't use twitter), so I can't judge it. Jul 06 21:31:44 Venemo: Twitter and IRC are about as social as I get Jul 06 21:32:08 noctule: hehe. Jul 06 21:32:37 Venemo: creating an app that sits on the desktop, checks the tweets when you want it to and posts messages was what I set out to do Jul 06 21:33:31 Venemo: then I got stuck thinking about the possibilities with the API, and then switching back and forth between hildon and Qt...I may just publish it and let users decide where it goes Jul 06 21:34:27 noctule: well, Hildon and Qt can live together if you don't want to do any insanity with them Jul 06 21:34:59 Venemo: Define "insanity" lol Jul 06 21:35:17 noctule: my app is written in Qt, but I've just incorporated some stuff from Hildon Extras into it Jul 06 21:35:51 Hm. I'm trying (just at this moment) to record video with led flash (torch) on... Is it possible? Jul 06 21:36:13 On N900. Jul 06 21:36:16 noctule: insanity would be to add Hildon widgets to a Qt app or Qt widgets to a Hildon app... however I don't think it is impossible, but it definitely would take too much of an effort Jul 06 21:36:32 Zucca: I think there's an app for that, but I can't recall its name Jul 06 21:37:50 noctule: can I pm you? Jul 06 21:38:16 Venemo: sure thing Jul 06 21:38:41 i find it odd on freenode people say pm Jul 06 21:38:58 the jargon just seems wrong Jul 06 21:39:19 Ok. I even tried to start torch app first but then camera app wont start if the leds are on. Jul 06 21:44:57 so, Python + Qt on the device, PyQt4? Jul 06 21:45:10 or PySide (or whatever it's called)? Jul 06 21:47:51 hmm, PySide it is then Jul 06 21:48:18 it's PyQt4... Jul 06 21:48:36 or PySide though, so I understand Jul 06 21:49:46 ah Jul 06 21:49:50 PySide is a rewrite of PyQt Jul 06 21:50:19 yeah, looks that way Jul 06 21:55:52 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 06 21:56:31 ~MohammadAG Jul 06 21:56:32 from memory, mohammadag is special Jul 06 21:56:39 lol Jul 06 21:56:53 :P Jul 06 21:57:01 b-man, screw you xD Jul 06 21:57:11 xnt14 asked me to xD Jul 06 21:57:23 b-man: no you wanted to show it to me xD Jul 06 21:58:10 xD Jul 06 22:02:45 hmm I can't set the background color style Jul 06 22:02:50 in anything Jul 06 22:10:42 hmmm, that's strange at least Jul 06 22:10:58 bme is using dsme lifeguard as well as that upstart thing Jul 06 22:12:51 night all Jul 06 22:13:00 night! Jul 06 22:16:29 night chaps Jul 06 22:22:31 ~tybollt Jul 06 22:22:32 from memory, tybollt is some bloody idiot Jul 06 22:23:36 LOL Jul 06 22:23:50 xDDD Jul 06 22:24:36 ouch Jul 06 22:24:38 :D Jul 06 22:24:52 * tybollt <3 infobot Jul 06 22:25:03 infobot, $50 Jul 06 22:25:04 * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag51 off Jul 06 22:25:18 infobot: $0.1 Jul 06 22:25:21 O_o Jul 06 22:25:23 LOL Jul 06 22:25:27 fail Jul 06 22:25:27 infobot: $100 Jul 06 22:25:28 * infobot gives tybollt full service! Jul 06 22:25:28 xDDDD Jul 06 22:25:32 LOL Jul 06 22:25:32 infobot: $1000 Jul 06 22:25:36 haha Jul 06 22:25:38 fail Jul 06 22:25:45 trip0: win Jul 06 22:25:53 infobot: -$100 Jul 06 22:25:59 ~rape trip0 Jul 06 22:26:00 * infobot takes trip0 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jul 06 22:26:11 rofl Jul 06 22:26:14 lol, walmart Jul 06 22:26:14 *blink* Jul 06 22:26:15 xD Jul 06 22:26:20 ~lol Jul 06 22:26:21 lol is probably stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. Jul 06 22:26:42 infobot is a grammar nazi xD Jul 06 22:26:42 do '/me lol' instead. Jul 06 22:26:49 do /me instead. Jul 06 22:26:56 * MohammadAG51 does infobot Jul 06 22:26:57 * tybollt infobot Jul 06 22:27:03 * trip0 does me Jul 06 22:27:09 * tybollt slaps MohammadAG51 w/ frals Jul 06 22:27:26 ~frals Jul 06 22:27:27 trip0, talk about "go fuck yourself" :P Jul 06 22:28:36 b-man, he's undefined Jul 06 22:28:47 indeed Jul 06 22:29:12 b-man, try now Jul 06 22:29:16 ~frals Jul 06 22:29:17 extra, extra, read all about it, frals is a large smelly trout Jul 06 22:29:23 lol Jul 06 22:55:26 Hi all, I received a donation for the competition from a very nice chap called Rene but I don't know his maemo.org username to thank him or add him to the list. Anyone know anyone called Rene? :) Jul 06 23:00:40 Sound french.. :D Jul 06 23:00:53 Sounds.. ANd I sshould be asleep Jul 06 23:03:18 Ive been googling, I think he's Norweigan .. and yes you should be asleep! Jul 06 23:21:37 meh Jul 06 23:21:50 mehmeh Jul 06 23:33:37 raster: meh indeedy. Jul 06 23:34:46 DocScrutinizer: i've spoken to some people that are in RE business for a lot longer than i am Jul 06 23:35:19 DocScrutinizer: and according to them it would be perfectly legal for me to publish whitepaper about BME based on RE Jul 06 23:35:51 DocScrutinizer: but then somebody else would have to write the code Jul 06 23:36:22 DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design Jul 06 23:36:55 I never said it's illegal. I said Nokia will not accept *any* bme replacement as soon as it looks like it *could* be based on RE Jul 06 23:38:28 well, it wouldn't Jul 06 23:38:52 it would be based on .pdf Jul 06 23:39:07 if you know about lean room design, I guess I don't have to explain it's impossible for any hobbyist to write a bme replacement in a way Nokia would change their mind. After such RE'd code had been published Jul 06 23:39:08 and that .pdf can be based on re Jul 06 23:39:45 it wouldn't be REd code Jul 06 23:39:50 Stskeeps: mehmehmeh Jul 06 23:39:54 mortini: meh++ Jul 06 23:40:01 DocScrutinizer51: MEEEEEEH! Jul 06 23:40:05 ~meh Jul 06 23:40:06 meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase Jul 06 23:40:38 so, uhm, probably not the place for this question, but, idk. anyone have access to systems with infiniband/experience with? Jul 06 23:40:59 O_o Jul 06 23:45:02 mortini: odd place to ask that Jul 06 23:45:13 been years since i even heard anyone talk of infiniband Jul 06 23:45:50 mortini: well, i've been using infiniband not so long ago Jul 06 23:46:23 raster: yeah, i figured. i'm not sure *where* to ask. Jul 06 23:47:53 hello Jul 06 23:48:17 i got a problem between nokia 770 and linksys wrt54gs Jul 06 23:48:18 mortini: well last it passed by my ears was way back at valinux when doing supercomputer clusters Jul 06 23:48:24 mortini: #networking migt be little bit better place Jul 06 23:48:57 it refuses to work Jul 06 23:49:13 raster: yeah, that's my context as well. Jul 06 23:49:14 on the linksys wrt54gs there is openwrt Jul 06 23:49:34 i tried: ad-hoc, client and access point Jul 06 23:49:47 heh, the datacenter at work has some valinux box racked and powered on. it makes me laugh. Jul 06 23:50:14 it replies : network problem if i try to use the browser Jul 06 23:50:30 mortini: hahahahahahah blast from the past Jul 06 23:50:49 GAN900: I just made a superb shot :) Jul 06 23:51:50 jacekowski: thanks, not sure i'm that brave tonight. Jul 06 23:57:33 GAN900 & GeneralAntilles: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4769110439/ Jul 07 00:04:02 jacekowski: and btw bme does not contain any secrets we would need to build a replacement Jul 07 00:06:12 I don't want to see any bme code :-) Jul 07 00:06:34 me neither Jul 07 00:07:43 nor do I want to see any pdf with a in deep RE analysis of bme Jul 07 00:08:53 or any other format :) Jul 07 00:12:15 good morning Jul 07 00:13:18 DocScrutinizer51: but there are things like dsme communication Jul 07 00:13:38 and something else if've found Jul 07 00:25:02 the plan in my head would leave stubs for notifying maemo/meego/gentoo/whatever of events Jul 07 00:27:56 dsme is free, no? So what do we need a RE of bme for? Jul 07 00:51:25 hi Jul 07 00:51:56 some body there? Jul 07 00:52:08 i get a problem Jul 07 00:52:26 my inglish is to bad Jul 07 00:52:31 some bady????? Jul 07 00:52:35 danm!! Jul 07 00:55:46 ask Jul 07 00:56:06 i need i page Jul 07 00:56:19 oh god, i really have body here, i have to do something Jul 07 00:56:22 for download dc emulator with all Jul 07 00:56:28 bios plugings etc Jul 07 00:56:50 ok Jul 07 00:57:16 i get chankast but dont work Jul 07 00:58:15 i get bios get all Jul 07 00:58:38 and the f$·$%% emulator dont work :S Jul 07 00:59:33 wrong channel? Jul 07 00:59:44 u think?? Jul 07 01:00:08 imo yes Jul 07 01:00:59 here what thinks talk about? Jul 07 01:01:41 about that talking here? Jul 07 01:01:58 sorry for my english Jul 07 01:04:18 sorry Unregistered this channel is about maemo Jul 07 01:04:40 http://maemo.org Jul 07 01:22:30 damnit Jul 07 01:22:33 i got f-ed Jul 07 01:22:39 congrats Jul 07 01:23:29 ahem. Jul 07 01:23:55 thnx Jul 07 01:24:06 guess I need to flash 1.2 again now >.< Jul 07 01:24:40 what happened? Jul 07 01:24:49 tried the new tutorial Jul 07 01:24:55 dj_steve made Jul 07 01:24:56 on tmo Jul 07 01:25:02 (booting the new android) Jul 07 01:25:10 k, and? Jul 07 01:25:11 now I cant even boot maemo Jul 07 01:25:19 well.. I can, but when the 2 hands shows Jul 07 01:25:32 it will show the terminal :/ Jul 07 01:25:43 (right in the middle of the video) Jul 07 01:25:48 not sure what you're talking about tbh Jul 07 01:26:09 could be the framebuffer, but that should 'stop' when X starts Jul 07 01:26:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=743038&postcount=2142 Jul 07 01:26:42 here let me show u Jul 07 01:27:09 you could've used my deb you know :p Jul 07 01:28:21 deb? Jul 07 01:28:40 w8 let met show u what i just got for now Jul 07 01:29:12 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=741051&postcount=2072 Jul 07 01:29:35 rofl Jul 07 01:29:40 damnit Jul 07 01:29:47 donno what to do now tbh :( Jul 07 01:31:40 wtf!?!?!?!?! Jul 07 01:31:53 and.. now.. it ... just... workss!? Jul 07 01:31:54 >. ok... let's try out the debian file now Jul 07 01:34:28 Jaffa, not sure why but hermes can't update contacts (facebook api change maybe?) Jul 07 01:34:33 MohammadAG, Jul 07 01:34:37 (PS3 also failed to publish to facebook today) Jul 07 01:36:16 got any command suggestion? Jul 07 01:36:32 damn Jul 07 01:36:44 why is my just starts rebooting suddenly agani Jul 07 01:36:45 :( Jul 07 01:38:04 creating backup now O_o Jul 07 01:38:05 not sure mate, #nitdroid Jul 07 01:38:13 yeah I'm at #nitdroid Jul 07 01:38:15 off to bed, night Jul 07 01:38:16 no one is alive Jul 07 01:38:21 #nitdroid-help :p Jul 07 01:38:25 hahah Jul 07 01:38:30 night Jul 07 01:38:33 guess today it will be Jul 07 01:38:38 not a happy ending after all Jul 07 01:38:57 sorry. didnt se if anybody answered my how is meego on n900 going? Jul 07 01:39:00 :) Jul 07 01:39:35 #meego Jul 07 01:39:39 any screenshots or anything. i am curious what they will be using as a ui Jul 07 01:39:41 ah ok Jul 07 01:44:26 so how is the usb otg coming along? Jul 07 01:45:56 Slowly Jul 07 01:46:00 Well Jul 07 01:46:13 OTG can never work - there is hardware breakage - but Jul 07 01:46:38 OTG is to USB host mode what Pizza is to cheese. Jul 07 01:47:09 USB host mode in principle can work well - byt progress has stalled, for a number of reasons - rimarily lack of time on some other devs Jul 07 01:48:02 hiya SpeedEvil :) Jul 07 01:48:12 i love cheese Jul 07 01:48:17 hi Jul 07 01:48:35 ah okay thanks Jul 07 01:59:04 * luke-jr sprinkles cheese on ohwhyme Jul 07 01:59:56 mmm Jul 07 02:03:24 * SpeedEvil sprinkles ancovies on ohwhyme and slams him in the oven. Jul 07 02:03:48 nite all Jul 07 02:03:53 tonight, no happy endings =( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 07 02:59:56 2010