**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 11 02:59:57 2010 Jul 11 03:05:01 f00bar80: i've used e71 and n900 and i like them both. i prefer n900 for ssh. dunno a bout your voip Jul 11 03:11:59 SpectralNewt, basically what's better regarding the voip performance , also both has same HSPDA support transfer rate ? Jul 11 03:12:39 one is powered by shitian, err symbian and the other is powered by linux Jul 11 03:13:06 there's no ssh afaik for e71 Jul 11 03:13:13 hatake_kakashi, i know Jul 11 03:13:15 or any symbian for that matter Jul 11 03:13:30 hatake_kakashi, putty for symbian Jul 11 03:14:03 f00bar80, that's ssh client not ssh server, unless you wanted ssh client, maemo already has that Jul 11 03:14:46 hatake_kakashi, any idea about voip and pptp vpn support in maemo ? Jul 11 03:15:27 f00bar80, I've tried voip support on maemo, its not bad, but you'll need voip account as usual Jul 11 03:16:11 hatake_kakashi, yea sure, and what's the Max. transfer rate of HSPDA ? Jul 11 03:16:44 f00bar80, not sure off my head, I'm sure its noted on the nokia's website or something, 10.2? I dunno Jul 11 03:21:31 hatake_kakashi, what's meant by # TCP/IP support ?? Jul 11 03:21:44 from? Jul 11 03:24:05 hatake_kakashi, it's in the :Data network: Jul 11 03:24:41 f00bar80, still not following you, in n900 specs? Jul 11 03:24:55 hatake_kakashi, also from maemo does include a pptp vpn client ?? Jul 11 03:25:22 f00bar80, I don't know I think there is, you are always welcome to give google a search Jul 11 03:26:39 hatake_kakashi, they're using with MPPE Jul 11 03:28:21 f00bar80: it's linux Jul 11 03:28:39 f00bar80: as long as you are willing to make your own kernel you can have whatever you like Jul 11 03:29:20 lcuk, looks like they fixed the libmeegotouch-dev dep issue Jul 11 03:29:30 but apps still don't build against it... Jul 11 04:25:06 hi Jul 11 04:25:30 anyone want a script to get 3G internet w/o service? Jul 11 04:25:31 <.< Jul 11 04:26:21 *actually only works for a remote BASH shell right now Jul 11 04:26:44 3G without service? Jul 11 04:26:52 yeah Jul 11 04:26:56 well, without a subscription :P Jul 11 04:27:12 buy a 3G transceiver for your house and a sim card maker Jul 11 04:27:18 lol fail Jul 11 04:27:29 or Jul 11 04:27:36 steal someone else's phone Jul 11 04:27:46 and use their sim until they cancel Jul 11 04:27:46 or just use my script Jul 11 04:27:59 see Macer, my script lets me use a cancelled SIM ;) Jul 11 04:28:02 lies Jul 11 04:28:13 no lies Jul 11 04:28:23 at least in theory Jul 11 04:28:30 installing the Perl modules I need on N900 right now Jul 11 04:28:32 going through the emergency data connection? :-P Jul 11 04:28:37 nah Jul 11 04:28:41 it wont work Jul 11 04:28:42 there is no emergency data AFAIK Jul 11 04:28:44 it will Jul 11 04:28:48 nope Jul 11 04:28:51 :) Jul 11 04:28:52 everything is tunneled over DNS Jul 11 04:28:53 :) Jul 11 04:29:07 still wont work Jul 11 04:29:09 yep Jul 11 04:29:17 I've tested the conceptual access Jul 11 04:29:22 I can do DNS without a subscription Jul 11 04:29:40 specifically, I can lookup AAAA records Jul 11 04:29:47 up to 16 at a time ;) Jul 11 04:30:06 that gives me 120 * 16 bits per packet Jul 11 04:30:42 anyhow, Gentoo is taking forever to install perl modules Jul 11 04:30:49 so I'll have results in like 30 mins Jul 11 04:34:02 * luke-jr ponders whether or not to publish proof-of-concept... Jul 11 05:07:56 For some reason the internal memory on my n900 is corrupted. Jul 11 05:08:37 I tried sudo umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 and it gave Invalid argument as output. Jul 11 05:08:50 I canm5 seem to read or write from or to it Jul 11 05:09:26 can't Jul 11 05:09:48 You don't have it connected to a computer with usb, right? Jul 11 05:10:03 nope. Jul 11 05:12:52 anything interesting in dmesg? Jul 11 05:15:05 Not really. Jul 11 05:15:45 Would flashing it take care of the int mem? Jul 11 05:16:55 Would need to flash both rootfs/fiasco and emmc images Jul 11 05:17:23 would erase your settings too unless you use the backup utility to create a backup on a microsd card Jul 11 05:17:41 So is it mounted right now? Jul 11 05:17:50 Looks like it. Jul 11 05:18:12 Do you have a paper on flashing rootfs/dfiasco/emmc? Jul 11 05:18:20 But you can't access /home/user/MyDocs? Jul 11 05:18:29 ~flashing Jul 11 05:18:30 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 11 05:18:51 thanjs Jul 11 05:19:04 try rebooting Jul 11 05:19:12 before doing any flashing Jul 11 05:19:16 ShadowJK: Um, there's only DMRc or whatever in it. Jul 11 05:19:19 and then show us dmesg from a phone Jul 11 05:19:21 jacekowski: tried. Jul 11 05:19:27 what's dmrc? Jul 11 05:19:47 ShadowJK: dcim. Jul 11 05:19:51 ah Jul 11 05:20:12 df MyDocs Jul 11 05:20:14 thing is that if p1 is corrupted scandisk on windows should fix it Jul 11 05:20:16 is that empty? Jul 11 05:20:23 ShadowJK: yes Jul 11 05:20:37 jacekowski: I don't run windows Jul 11 05:20:37 Ok, so it's /not/ mounted Jul 11 05:20:48 ShadowJK: I'll mount it then Jul 11 05:20:56 no wait Jul 11 05:21:04 mkfs maybe Jul 11 05:21:43 I'd try fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jul 11 05:22:01 i would go straight for mkfs Jul 11 05:22:38 mount returns invalid arg. Jul 11 05:22:46 Depends really on if there's data there you want to try save Jul 11 05:23:15 none. Jul 11 05:23:30 mkfs.vfat then.. Jul 11 05:23:53 fsck.vfat says 102 is not supported, only FAT 1 or 2 Jul 11 05:24:32 102? wtf Jul 11 05:24:40 Aye Jul 11 05:25:02 after mkfs.vfat, reboot? Jul 11 05:26:18 That's probably what I'd do Jul 11 05:26:22 Alright, rebooting brb Jul 11 06:08:03 it's WORKING, Macer Jul 11 06:08:37 not very reliably (I have to kill it when I'm done, and restart it, to make another session), but it WORKS Jul 11 06:26:01 what works? Jul 11 06:28:51 tunneling tcp over ipv6dns? Jul 11 06:30:41 ptl: two-way stream over DNS, without a data plan Jul 11 06:31:36 wow. Seems complicated. Jul 11 06:31:48 actually, the client piece is under 200 lines Jul 11 06:31:56 the core of it is under 100 Jul 11 06:32:48 the next logical step would be to make it somewhat stable. then get PPP working, or a simple tunnel to port 22 for SSH Jul 11 06:33:33 but I'm not sure how much further beyond proof-of-concept I want to go, seeing as I'm opposed to using it XD Jul 11 06:34:51 are you abusing the bits which are used for location support of e911? Jul 11 06:34:59 no Jul 11 06:35:02 nfc what those bits are Jul 11 06:35:18 which bits are you borrowing? Jul 11 06:35:29 it's just a series of AAAA lookups Jul 11 06:35:40 but what provides AAAA? Jul 11 06:35:40 which gets a 16-answer round-robin Jul 11 06:35:59 ie why is AAAA available to your phone? Jul 11 06:35:59 16x AAAA is 1820 bits data Jul 11 06:36:01 :) Jul 11 06:36:12 T-Mobile has DNS on their 3G even for non-subscribers Jul 11 06:36:15 one reason for AAAA is to enable phones to figure out their location Jul 11 06:36:21 so you can go to their site to order service Jul 11 06:36:29 ah Jul 11 06:36:37 well Jul 11 06:36:40 that's useless Jul 11 06:36:43 lol Jul 11 06:36:52 if people abuse it, they can limit the dns service to their domain Jul 11 06:36:56 yeah Jul 11 06:37:04 I just figured it'd be fun to write Jul 11 06:37:12 so you're wasting effort building a system which has no requirement for reliability/availability Jul 11 06:37:12 before I get data service Jul 11 06:37:25 not wasted if I learn from it Jul 11 06:37:53 if only luke uses it maybe they wont notice it ;) Jul 11 06:38:11 ShadowJK: I would object to using it myself, it's just for fun Jul 11 06:38:13 didntknow there was a geoip filer for iptables Jul 11 06:38:45 amazing how much crap comes out of china internetwise Jul 11 06:38:50 Macer: is there? Jul 11 06:38:54 lol, my thought exactly Jul 11 06:38:57 considering its oppressive ways Jul 11 06:39:05 my PBX's filter is full of Chinese IPs Jul 11 06:39:06 and its firewalling tactics Jul 11 06:39:13 retards ring my phones at night -.- Jul 11 06:39:26 yeah.. i had to ban all of hinets subnets Jul 11 06:39:36 theres like 30 of them Jul 11 06:39:46 macer: websites on how to secure computers are firewalled and blocked, so every pc is full if malware sending crap ;p Jul 11 06:39:59 haha Jul 11 06:40:02 is that what it is? :) Jul 11 06:40:23 google caved on free speech in china Jul 11 06:40:29 money talks Jul 11 06:40:34 yuan ftw Jul 11 06:40:39 money nonsense Jul 11 06:40:40 * RST38h moos evilly Jul 11 06:40:45 Google has to follow the law like everyone else Jul 11 06:40:47 :p Jul 11 06:40:52 it only took 8 years to convince western ISPs to do something about infested customers Jul 11 06:41:04 im sure their decision was more so related to money Jul 11 06:41:05 (the port 25 block) Jul 11 06:41:09 ShadowJK: and now they're on the worse extreme :( Jul 11 06:41:27 rather have port 25 unblocked than hopelessly blocked Jul 11 06:41:50 me too Jul 11 06:41:52 hinet keeps trying to relay through my mail server Jul 11 06:42:04 it gets denied.. bit still Jul 11 06:42:06 but Jul 11 06:42:31 hinet is .tw tho Jul 11 06:42:53 but im pretty sure tw is still under the chinese iron fist Jul 11 06:43:55 no. Jul 11 06:44:03 heh Jul 11 06:44:08 quite the opposite, it is under ITS OWN chinese iron fist Jul 11 06:44:17 it might as well be Jul 11 06:44:21 i thought they were part of the "republic" Jul 11 06:44:26 heh Jul 11 06:44:31 Macer: There are two republics Jul 11 06:44:51 the peoples and the chineseownsyous? Jul 11 06:45:04 Macer: PRC and ROC Jul 11 06:45:20 Mainland China is known as PRC Jul 11 06:45:24 Taiwan is ROC Jul 11 06:45:31 well. communism is just a collective of "states" Jul 11 06:45:43 Macer: basically, present-day Taiwan is the former China Jul 11 06:45:51 PRC took over the mainland Jul 11 06:45:57 but was too lazy to take over the isle Jul 11 06:46:09 ironically enough. in soviet russia. states were supposed to be allowed to secede Jul 11 06:46:25 :) Jul 11 06:46:33 so... how do i tell Multimedia to go look at my brand new files? Jul 11 06:46:37 i wonder what happened to the ones that tried Jul 11 06:46:40 Taiwan/China is the only country to have been basically kicked out of the UN :P Jul 11 06:47:02 i thought china was still in the un Jul 11 06:47:21 Taiwan/Old China was kicked out and replaced with New China Jul 11 06:47:22 Macer <-- does not know what he is talking about. Jul 11 06:47:34 heh Jul 11 06:47:39 Macer: the government of Taiwan used to rule all of China Jul 11 06:48:05 RST38h: i dont keep up with asian history Jul 11 06:48:13 american arrogance :) Jul 11 06:48:21 you'll have to learn it when they bomb your cities! Jul 11 06:48:26 haha Jul 11 06:48:48 i bet 1% of americans know who the canadian pm is Jul 11 06:49:09 and 99% of canadians know who the us president is Jul 11 06:49:49 luke-jr: like firefly? Jul 11 06:50:04 with the whole pseudo english-chinese language? Jul 11 06:51:23 ... Jul 11 06:51:41 so 6-core AMD 3.2 GHz for $300 vs 6-core Intel 3.33 GHz for $970 Jul 11 06:51:42 wtf? Jul 11 06:51:47 is Intel *that* much better? Jul 11 06:52:00 AMD is that much worse Jul 11 06:52:40 hahahaha Jul 11 06:52:47 wow tho... 6 core Jul 11 06:52:53 thats pretty awesome Jul 11 06:53:02 theres a lower priced amd with 6 core too, $200 Jul 11 06:53:03 seriously? Why not just get 3x 6-core AMD? Jul 11 06:53:13 $200? then get 4 of those... Jul 11 06:53:17 24 cores Jul 11 06:53:22 surely that can beat Intel? Jul 11 06:53:34 and the amd one just needs a bios update for current motherboards Jul 11 06:53:37 Anyone considered what you will do with all those cores? Jul 11 06:53:41 are there even boards that support that? Jul 11 06:53:51 Especially given that they are connected to the same memory? Jul 11 06:53:56 RST38h: I use Gentoo Jul 11 06:53:58 RST38h: good virtualbox server Jul 11 06:54:20 luke: Was that supposed to mean "I do not consider things before choosing them"? =) Jul 11 06:54:27 RST38h: get 256G of memory Jul 11 06:54:36 RST38h: no, it was supposed to mean MAKEOPTS=-j25 Jul 11 06:54:47 hahaha Jul 11 06:55:07 luke: eek! Jul 11 06:56:05 hmm Jul 11 06:56:12 the weather here is being fairly LAME Jul 11 06:56:19 thunder w/o rain? Jul 11 06:56:22 how boring can it get Jul 11 07:00:26 you are going to be struck my lightning Jul 11 07:01:02 and when you are on the ground sizzling with a stopped heart you will wish the weather had been even more lame .) Jul 11 07:02:24 impossible Jul 11 07:02:27 I'm inside. Jul 11 07:03:37 ball lightning Jul 11 07:03:57 shattering windows and tracking you down Jul 11 07:30:54 nihau Jul 11 07:54:49 "Are we using GNU Fortran compiler...." Jul 11 07:54:56 * RST38h loves autoconf Jul 11 07:55:12 heh. Jul 11 07:55:25 but is stdio.h there?! Jul 11 07:55:40 Pile of garbage checking for stuff that is either never going to eb used or not used since 5+ years ago Jul 11 07:56:19 mortini: That is actually a good question. If I remember correctly, at least SuSe Linux did not let you compile helloworld if you did not have kernel sources installed Jul 11 07:56:42 mortini: its stdio.h referred to a header file in the kernel sources Jul 11 07:57:05 ah. Jul 11 07:57:16 I think i was reading fortran code just the other day. Jul 11 07:58:27 this researcher's been working on this crazy fortran (I think) program for like 30 years. It's 800 pages long. Jul 11 07:58:32 (printed pages) Jul 11 08:01:12 ~1.6 Jul 11 08:01:16 MB of code then Jul 11 08:03:48 heh, doesn't seem like as much when you say it like that. Jul 11 08:04:10 that depends Jul 11 08:04:50 on? Jul 11 08:04:58 on what that code does Jul 11 08:05:17 I mean it is not 1.6MB of phone directory entries, is it? Jul 11 08:05:33 no, it's the actual code. i'm not sure what this guy is researching Jul 11 08:05:54 been working with a number of them lately and can't keep them straight since I don't actually interact with the researchers much Jul 11 08:08:21 another job that guy runs docks various molecules together to see if they'll fit. so, it's probably something in that vein Jul 11 08:09:07 a'ok, another xchat dcc test Jul 11 08:24:24 what ever happened to quantum computers? Jul 11 08:26:05 I'm working on it.. Jul 11 08:28:09 haha Jul 11 08:28:23 ;) Jul 11 08:39:17 RST38h: seems to me like DCC is suffering from exactly same problems like SIP RTP Jul 11 09:55:16 I found that when i need to cough, it's useful for blowing out dust from keyboard Jul 11 09:57:44 n900 at the beach = awesomeness Jul 11 09:58:15 when there Jul 11 09:58:19 's radio coverage,yes Jul 11 09:58:32 kerio: people will think you're a creep if you run around taking photos of them Jul 11 09:58:37 trust me I , i tried Jul 11 09:59:22 Appiah: nah, not taking pictures Jul 11 09:59:33 just IRCing, like a proper nerd Jul 11 09:59:33 lol who's the creep now :P Jul 11 10:04:59 =( Jul 11 10:19:19 is MicroB opensource? Jul 11 10:19:40 the rendering engine definetely is Jul 11 10:20:01 it's the only program on the N900 that has smooth, by-the-pixel dragging operation Jul 11 10:20:13 even the application list has noticeable lag Jul 11 10:24:10 there is a lag that is necessary to initiate any drag operation Jul 11 10:24:23 to distinguish it from a click Jul 11 10:25:16 SpectralNewt, not talking about initiation Jul 11 10:25:16 And that lag is itself different from the refresh rate of the transition effect or panning Jul 11 10:25:22 ok Jul 11 10:25:35 * h0n3st_ is away: I'm busy Jul 11 10:25:53 i can only estimate, but it looks like about 12 fps to me Jul 11 10:26:02 the whole menu is clickable, so you can't optimize that Jul 11 10:26:27 kerio: you can indeed, see liqbase by lcuk Jul 11 10:26:29 I've created a very simple Qt app, with a texture panning around the screen - and there's a noticable lag that makes the texture look like it's "chasing" the finger Jul 11 10:27:19 I'm using OGL ES2 and the CPU usage is very low (~5%) Jul 11 10:27:39 I would really love to make it responsive Jul 11 10:27:55 LiraNuna: i think your issue should be a top priority Jul 11 10:28:17 is that sarcasm? Jul 11 10:28:24 no Jul 11 10:28:50 that people write this OO stuff without nearly enough consideration to performance Jul 11 10:29:09 it's been a plague on software performance for two decades Jul 11 10:29:11 I don't know what's the cause of the problem, Qt, Maemo events (i.e touch readings are slow) or the vsync bug from the SGX Jul 11 10:29:13 imnsho Jul 11 10:29:38 SpectralNewt, the whole reason I'm coding this is performance - I hate the original Ovi Maps Jul 11 10:29:52 it's slow as hell, and it's a shame since the N900 is a god damn powerhouse Jul 11 10:30:56 well lcuk went through the fire to make liqbase fast. he learned what needed to be learned, and he implemented what he needed Jul 11 10:32:09 LiraNuna: if your test app is small and simple, consider submitting it to the -devel mailing list(s) and asking 'why is this slow? isn't this a real problem for QT' ;) Jul 11 10:32:46 SpectralNewt, I know how this will end: Qt will blame the HW, HW will blame Qt Jul 11 10:32:55 it'll eventually be closed as WONTFIX Jul 11 10:32:55 well, software rendering is slow by design Jul 11 10:33:09 jacekowski, I am using opengl es 2 Jul 11 10:33:10 read Jul 11 10:33:32 are you doing it correctly? Jul 11 10:33:38 I'm using Qt's QPainter Jul 11 10:33:47 on a QGLWidget Jul 11 10:33:55 I'm guessing it's "right" because I'm using OGL ES2 and the CPU usage is very low (~5%) Jul 11 10:34:14 yeah that does point-away from qt as the culprit too Jul 11 10:34:20 that's not right Jul 11 10:34:22 but can't be sure Jul 11 10:34:24 qt is slow Jul 11 10:34:39 the way how it processes events will make it lag Jul 11 10:34:39 SpectralNewt, well, the app list view suffers from the same view Jul 11 10:34:41 problem* Jul 11 10:35:00 LiraNuna: it does? Jul 11 10:35:02 hmm Jul 11 10:35:05 yep Jul 11 10:35:13 the graphics seem to 'chase' the finger Jul 11 10:35:23 the only place that is accurate to-the-pixel is MicroB Jul 11 10:36:14 works on mine Jul 11 10:36:25 ( i'm using that categorised app menu ) Jul 11 10:36:30 I don't Jul 11 10:36:51 which package is pyuic in? Jul 11 10:37:29 MohammadAG51, pyqt4-dev-tools - Development tools for PyQt4 Jul 11 10:38:01 apt-cache search pyuic # would've given you the answer Jul 11 10:39:35 the way how it processes events will make it lag Jul 11 10:39:39 can you elaborate? Jul 11 10:39:52 virtual functions? Jul 11 10:41:15 well, in a loop Jul 11 10:45:08 http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2005-03/thread00136-0.html Jul 11 10:45:09 ? Jul 11 10:47:13 sort of Jul 11 10:47:16 how would you verify that most easily Jul 11 10:47:22 thing is that when qt gets an event Jul 11 10:47:26 it adds it to a queue Jul 11 10:47:35 and that queue is then processed in event loop Jul 11 10:47:54 so, pretty much instantly? Jul 11 10:48:19 no Jul 11 10:48:42 what does it do in the mean time? Jul 11 10:48:48 sleeps Jul 11 10:49:03 huh? Jul 11 10:49:08 really?! Jul 11 10:49:19 yes Jul 11 10:49:21 it has to Jul 11 10:49:32 unless you want your cpu usage to be constantly at 100% Jul 11 10:49:33 event -> process loop -> sleep -> your code gets notified about the event ? Jul 11 10:49:40 jacekowski, it's called blocking on IO, not sleeping Jul 11 10:49:49 nah Jul 11 10:49:55 no reasonable program issues sleep or usleep and poll for events Jul 11 10:50:04 well, qt does Jul 11 10:50:35 event -> queue, and in another thread - check for events in queue -> sleep -> check for events -> sleep ...... Jul 11 10:51:04 I just straced a simple qt program, and I find it only calls poll (that is, it waits for IO) Jul 11 10:51:07 I'm noticing a lag of at least 1.5 seconds Jul 11 10:51:29 I highly doubts events are that slow Jul 11 10:52:08 http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qeventloop.html Jul 11 10:52:14 LiraNuna: that's little bit too high Jul 11 10:52:32 I know Jul 11 10:52:53 it's not a drawing bug though Jul 11 10:52:57 cause the transition is smooth Jul 11 10:53:12 it just seems as if the animation is ~1 second behind Jul 11 10:53:20 it might be that queue is growing faster than you are processing it Jul 11 10:53:41 that's how it feels Jul 11 10:54:13 http://pastie.org/private/xkfezbofcwtxf0mwmdhzg Jul 11 10:54:15 basically Jul 11 10:54:53 it's my very first Qt app, so constructive criticism is welcome Jul 11 10:55:31 you can try it here Jul 11 10:55:31 can you send all files? Jul 11 10:55:31 http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps Jul 11 10:55:58 liranuna, well, I haven't written qt a lot, buy you could try putting map painting into a separate thread, in order to not block the main event loop Jul 11 10:56:19 isn't OGL unthread-safe Jul 11 10:57:19 Pastie now auto-senses if line-wrap is a bad or good idea. Feedback? Jul 11 10:57:19 Pastie Pastie << self Blog Jul 11 10:57:19 * Pastie Jul 11 10:57:19 * New Jul 11 10:57:19 * Pastes Jul 11 10:57:21 * Search Jul 11 10:57:28 but that doesn't stop you having qt in separate thread Jul 11 10:57:31 whops Jul 11 10:57:40 how do i check out from that repository Jul 11 10:57:46 git checkout http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps.git Jul 11 10:57:50 git clone Jul 11 10:57:51 that's a no go Jul 11 10:58:05 git clone http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps Jul 11 10:58:13 SVN FTW Jul 11 10:58:14 checkout is like 'svn reset' Jul 11 10:58:31 svn revert* Jul 11 10:58:50 liranuna, even if opengl isn't thread-safe, perhaps the APIs qt provides over it are? Jul 11 10:59:01 liranuna, besides apparently you ounly have one thread drawing on GL anyway? Jul 11 10:59:03 * timeless_mbp chuckles Jul 11 10:59:05 very funny Jul 11 11:00:08 flux, sure, but isn't threads overkill for the N900? I'm really aiming for fast software Jul 11 11:00:14 emmm Jul 11 11:00:24 use threads Jul 11 11:00:28 liranuna, the thread would basically be used for discarding events Jul 11 11:00:30 threads are fast Jul 11 11:00:58 any examples on how to do that? Jul 11 11:01:03 liranuna, what you're now doing implies that for each input received a map must be painted Jul 11 11:01:09 ehhh Jul 11 11:01:18 alternatively I guess there's some idle-event which you could use? Jul 11 11:02:04 QTimer with 0 timeout apparently works Jul 11 11:02:15 I've read QTimer is slow Jul 11 11:02:19 I'm not sure how do it only once, though Jul 11 11:02:59 you could write your own event loop as well (should be simple, using that QEventLoop) Jul 11 11:03:10 and do what? Jul 11 11:03:34 and when there are no more events in the event queue, perform the painting, if necessary Jul 11 11:03:58 it feels to me perhaps the threaded solution would be simpler though, or atleast not much more complicated.. Jul 11 11:04:14 yeah Jul 11 11:04:19 trying to find any info on that Jul 11 11:05:03 http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/14887-QT-OpenGL-Thread-gt-aaaahhhhh-! Jul 11 11:05:14 see second post Jul 11 11:05:21 fatal: http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? Jul 11 11:05:42 must be github issue Jul 11 11:05:57 I can clone the repo Jul 11 11:05:59 nah, I used jacekowski's url :) Jul 11 11:06:03 (now it works) Jul 11 11:06:06 ah Jul 11 11:24:14 okay so, I have added a timer that fires every 16ms (60FPS) Jul 11 11:24:24 and it's still the same issue Jul 11 11:24:28 just CPU usage spikes Jul 11 11:26:56 'something is interfering with something else' ;) Jul 11 11:27:16 ahha Jul 11 11:27:34 it *does* seem like there are "too many" events Jul 11 11:27:37 (mouse move?) Jul 11 11:27:54 does some1 have more experience with nokia n900 Jul 11 11:28:10 even reducing the refresh rate to 24FPS doesn't make a difference Jul 11 11:28:14 henkka: yes, and don't use language like that "some1" Jul 11 11:28:44 to make sure I'm running the correct binary, I have set the refresh rate to 1sec and no, I'm not running a different binary Jul 11 11:29:40 * SpectralNewt thinks back to the xsp pixel doubling debacle Jul 11 11:30:08 and the 'let's lie to userspace about screen refresh' decision Jul 11 11:30:20 ... Jul 11 11:30:53 this started from a fun project to "whatever, I'll let someone else do it in a decade or two" Jul 11 11:31:18 your choice Jul 11 11:31:27 w00t_: ping Jul 11 11:31:50 i stuck at it for two months back in 2007/2008 Jul 11 11:32:13 crashanddie, hey m8 Jul 11 11:32:15 :P Jul 11 11:32:21 SpectralNewt: also reminds me of working for my previous employer, having a customer complain that they were getting "consistently 30% less performance than expected on this hardware". We sent them a patch, which did a simply tps_count *= 1.3 ("transactions per second) Jul 11 11:32:42 oh man :) Jul 11 11:33:11 lol Jul 11 11:33:32 this was temporary though, until we found the real source of the problem Jul 11 11:33:44 but yeah, you don't want to piss off a 10+ million USD customer Jul 11 11:34:12 "this routine is broken" "no it's not" "here's how i invoke it, is it wrong" "no" "then it's broken" "no it's not" Jul 11 11:35:12 by the time i found the work-around all motivation was in the toilet Jul 11 11:35:28 I got a call one day "Hi, I've been told by the US office that you developed library X for product Y, is that correct?" "Err, yes, but I don't do phone support" "Oh, but I talked to and he said you would help me" Jul 11 11:35:40 I refresh my inbox, and indeed, an email from the big cheese telling me to be nice Jul 11 11:35:42 SpectralNewt, see what I mean Jul 11 11:35:42 :( Jul 11 11:36:23 could someone please explain why a Finnish translation of "48 minutes" was 45 minutes? Jul 11 11:36:24 LiraNuna: still struggling with the map app? Jul 11 11:36:33 Venemo, yeah, mostly speed issues with Qt Jul 11 11:36:39 timeless_mbp: their minutes are longer? Jul 11 11:36:44 heh Jul 11 11:36:47 LiraNuna: that is very odd. Jul 11 11:36:48 LiraNuna: perhaps what i should have done is release the app and let everyone complain about how broken it was Jul 11 11:36:49 "What can I do for you?" "Well, I'm trying to run the library with .NET 2.1, and I'm getting compilation issues" "Compilation issues? .NET? You do realise I wrote a Java library, right?" "Oh... Are those not compatible?" "Not quite" "Could you recompile it for .NET and send it to me then?" Jul 11 11:36:54 i need some help with removing icon shadows in nokia n900.. i know there is many sites for doing that, but tried it multiple times and not working. Jul 11 11:37:01 SpectralNewt, then it'll be MY fault Jul 11 11:37:09 crashanddie: :) Jul 11 11:37:12 oh, you Jul 11 11:37:18 s/MY/YOUR/ Jul 11 11:37:24 crashanddire: That is just LOL. Jul 11 11:37:37 LiraNuna: well it's one way of making the problem relevant to others Jul 11 11:37:44 non-programmers don't understand that, they expect 'bestest' results Jul 11 11:37:46 as it stands it's only bothering you Jul 11 11:37:55 I doubt anyone else cares Jul 11 11:38:05 henkka: eh? Jul 11 11:38:08 Venemo: I've got tons of those stories, it's just not fun anymore :( Jul 11 11:38:17 and #qt-maemo isn't very helpful either\ Jul 11 11:38:53 LiraNuna: what about #qt? Jul 11 11:38:56 laggy, slow gui will make reviews *shit* on meego Jul 11 11:39:10 Venemo, "too broad and platform independent, go o #qt-maemo" Jul 11 11:39:18 Venemo: or people asking you how to print codes directly from their HSM (hardware security module). "What do you mean, 'print'? It's a cryptoprocessor, it doesn't do printing" "But it has an ethernet port, yes?" "well, yes, that's why you paid $25k for it" "But my printer has an ethernet port too, surely they are compatible" Jul 11 11:39:42 LiraNuna: compile it for desktop, see how it works there Jul 11 11:39:49 Venemo, I test on desktop Jul 11 11:39:50 works great Jul 11 11:39:58 no matter what I do, too Jul 11 11:40:20 SpectralNewt: did you try it on the n900? Jul 11 11:40:22 :) Jul 11 11:40:26 or do they even have a gui yet? Jul 11 11:41:00 Macer, they have a GUI but not HW-accelerated yet Jul 11 11:41:50 crashanddie: my favourite is this one: Lead developer: "You should make [feature], you have 3 days" Me: "okay, I think we should use the ASP.NET session state to store [thing X]" Ld: "No, we don't use session for that." Me: "Okay." ... [3 days pass] ... e-mail from my boss: "The lead developer says you should have used ASP.NET session state to store [thing X], because now it has a security hole" Me: ....... Jul 11 11:41:52 must have taken it from mer Jul 11 11:41:52 haha Jul 11 11:42:13 wait, what? Jul 11 11:42:38 * Macer hides Jul 11 11:44:14 Venemo: you now the security tokens that generate passwords? Jul 11 11:44:26 Venemo: a 10 digit number that is only valid for a specific period of time? Jul 11 11:45:26 crashanddie: the task was to allow users who want to order a coupon to add a personal text to their coupon Jul 11 11:45:59 crashanddie: I recommended to store the coupon id in the session, and the lead developer wanted me to store it in the URL Jul 11 11:46:37 crashanddie: obviously, when stored in the URL, anyone could scan for any coupon ids very simply. Jul 11 11:48:55 Venemo: imagine having someone (a big cheese, again) call you and say "I'm typing my code in but it doesn't work", "what's the code", "6E58H9L1". I'm baffled, letters? "I'm sorry sir, but there can only be numbers in an OTP, the devices don't support..." he interrupts me "Hey, I can READ, can't I? Just fix it on your side". I think for a few seconds, not knowing what to answer, and then he goes "Oh wait, I was holding it upside Jul 11 11:49:42 And this is on near CEO level of a security company that actually manufactures those devices... Jul 11 11:51:06 HAHAHAHAHAHA Jul 11 11:51:20 what was the H? Jul 11 11:51:26 an upside-down H is still H Jul 11 11:51:35 liranuna, I wonder if you need to do some kind of manual double-buffering if one wants to render anything outside the event loop.. Jul 11 11:51:35 kerio: it was a 4 Jul 11 11:51:40 h Jul 11 11:52:16 crashanddie: haha! :D Jul 11 11:56:42 what is the best english/english dictionary for N900? Jul 11 11:57:50 a dictionnary that translates from english to english? Nice. Jul 11 11:58:06 Does it work in the other way too? I mean, English to English? Jul 11 11:58:28 it works recursively Jul 11 11:58:36 crashanddie: there's already one Jul 11 11:58:36 you can look up the words it uses again in the dictionary. Jul 11 11:58:39 it's called echo Jul 11 11:59:34 crashanddie: perhaps smhar_ means a dictionary which explains the meaning of an English word in English... pretty useul if you are learning the language Jul 11 11:59:53 Venemo, right Jul 11 12:00:11 smhar_: I tend to use "define:word" on google Jul 11 12:00:33 crashanddie, I mean an offline one Jul 11 12:00:46 btw, people, do that type "define:word" in google Jul 11 12:01:00 about halfway through the definition list, Google will insult you and say you're an "asshole" Jul 11 12:02:33 It does not Jul 11 12:02:45 Just informs you what "Asshole" stands for Jul 11 12:03:01 very informative, too Jul 11 12:05:07 Its first appearance as an insult term in a newspaper indexed by Google News is in 1965 Jul 11 12:05:34 RST38h: huh? Jul 11 12:05:54 you did not know google news indexed news archives? =) Jul 11 12:06:31 In the United States, and, to a lesser degree, in Canada, the words arse and ass have become synonymous; however, in the rest of the English-speaking world, ass still only refers to the donkey, rather than the arse (buttocks). Jul 11 12:06:40 Hmmm, didn't know that Jul 11 12:07:04 see! the internet is educational Jul 11 12:07:43 i didn't know that passing through a supermassive black hole wormhole still keeps you trapped in an event horizon and you die seeing a parallel universe Jul 11 12:08:28 talk about an awesome way to die. but then again i'm sure the tial forces would rip you apart down to the quark first Jul 11 12:08:53 Shows how linguistic knowledge is more useful than astrophysical... Jul 11 12:09:30 well. you can't describe things without words Jul 11 12:09:55 one might go so far as to even use the abstraction that all things are man-made Jul 11 12:10:41 You can, with math =) Jul 11 12:10:57 Math is also a language though. Jul 11 12:12:07 Google indicates there are differing opinion on that =) Jul 11 12:12:43 RST38h: google is going to place you in the games Jul 11 12:12:45 eof Jul 11 12:12:47 Ok, if you had some bugs to report in XChat, now is a good time Jul 11 12:13:11 it doesn't do portrait mode Jul 11 12:13:13 :-P Jul 11 12:13:20 ok, fuck the portrait mode. Jul 11 12:13:24 haha Jul 11 12:13:36 RST38h: you have the long list that I posted to talk 6 months ago? Jul 11 12:13:41 speaking of irc clients. does telepathy do irc channels yet? Jul 11 12:13:59 Macer: there is an IRC plugin for it if that's what you're asking for Jul 11 12:14:10 Venemo: last i heard it only worked with msgs Jul 11 12:14:10 Speed: A URL will be appreciated Jul 11 12:14:24 it didn't allow you to join a # Jul 11 12:14:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=626328 Jul 11 12:14:35 Speed: I think I have kinda squashed the DCC reception bug but cannot fully test it (NAT) Jul 11 12:14:40 Macer: well, there is an "IRC plugin for Conversations and Contacts"... I dunno how it works though Jul 11 12:14:48 Will go over the rest in a moment Jul 11 12:14:57 Venemo: that would be the one that doesn't allow you to join a # ;) Jul 11 12:15:07 but i could be wrong. it has been a while. Jul 11 12:15:21 i am a big fan of the integrated apps Jul 11 12:15:42 DCC recieve has always worked for me Jul 11 12:15:53 DCC recieve is an _outbound_ connection Jul 11 12:15:55 i would prefer to use stock stuff whenever possible Jul 11 12:16:00 so shouldn't generally have problems Jul 11 12:16:25 A'ok Jul 11 12:16:28 A'ok Jul 11 12:16:29 doesn't dcc still required an open inbound port? Jul 11 12:16:29 Jul 11 12:16:32 Macer: I haven't tried it but others said it works fine... hm. Jul 11 12:16:39 SpeedEvil" Yes but there was some trouble selecting the destination folder Jul 11 12:16:41 Macer: no Jul 11 12:16:41 Venemo: let me try it out :) Jul 11 12:16:51 SpeedEvil: hm. didn't know that. Jul 11 12:16:54 Macer: I'll try, too Jul 11 12:16:55 Macer: no - oly for senging Jul 11 12:16:58 sending Jul 11 12:17:02 SpeedEvil: Input widget height - not changeable. Jul 11 12:17:15 SpeedEvil: Blame Nokia gutting its GTK+ fork. Jul 11 12:17:17 Macer: For sending - you need some way to punch a hole. Jul 11 12:17:19 :/ Jul 11 12:17:33 patch the lib - upload to extras! Jul 11 12:17:34 :) Jul 11 12:17:36 heh Jul 11 12:17:46 SpeedEvil: You do that. Jul 11 12:17:48 well. let me take a look at this irc plugin Jul 11 12:17:58 Scroll bar - looking at it right now, to make it wider Jul 11 12:18:03 but i'm sure someone here said it doesn't let you join #s Jul 11 12:18:10 Wider - for me - isn't the issue Jul 11 12:18:19 Macer: I'll try it, too. I'm curious now Jul 11 12:18:23 I simply cannot see the scrollbar block Jul 11 12:18:34 In all but the most ideal of conditions Jul 11 12:18:40 default theme Jul 11 12:19:05 SpeedEvil: Well, I am inclined to say the same thing as with the input widget Jul 11 12:19:16 SpeedEvil: But in this case, I can probably do something to help Jul 11 12:19:18 actually - it's quite visible indoors Jul 11 12:19:25 but it's not outside Jul 11 12:19:28 Making it wider should do the trick Jul 11 12:19:40 not at all for me Jul 11 12:20:22 I can easily see objects the size of the scrollbar, it's simply that those shades of gray do not render at all when the screen is in transflective mode Jul 11 12:20:53 I assume there is also no way to make the outline of the scrollbar block larger? Jul 11 12:22:15 there may be Jul 11 12:22:17 looking at it Jul 11 12:22:38 LiraNuna: it looks like lag is coming from opengl part itself Jul 11 12:27:16 Also - many thanks in polishing xchat! Jul 11 12:28:23 I do what I can Jul 11 12:31:46 Macer: hm. I seem to be unable to join a channel with that plugin. Jul 11 12:31:54 Ok, its main view is a GdkWindow Jul 11 12:32:03 Macer: but I can pm myself :P Jul 11 12:32:25 I do not see where it allocates scrollbars =( Jul 11 12:33:11 must be textgui.c Jul 11 12:37:39 found it Jul 11 12:47:17 I was wondering why media player was skipping. Then I realised I was still compiling ffmpeg and coreutils Jul 11 12:47:41 evil Jul 11 12:59:19 RST38h, use a normal text input field so we can paste multiline Jul 11 12:59:56 it is a normal text input field Jul 11 13:01:10 RST38h, nope, it's a hildon on Jul 11 13:01:11 e Jul 11 13:04:24 Sorry for a stupid question but could someone explain to me, in cow terms, how I add kinetic scrolling to an arbitrary widget? Jul 11 13:05:29 RST38h, moo. moo moo moo moo, moo moo moo moo, moo moo... moo, moo. Jul 11 13:08:25 I hope that helped Jul 11 13:08:45 RST38h, adding it to an instance of a specific widget (im guessing xchat textbox) would require handling mouse events and paint/timer events to know when you started a pan/keep it updating Jul 11 13:09:42 i havent seen a generic function to allow tying it together in one call in initialization yet (but that doesnt mean it hasnt been made) Jul 11 13:09:53 Ok, it will not work with xchat Jul 11 13:10:06 XChat text box is a GdkWindow, not a GtkWidget Jul 11 13:10:08 something like what fbreader does would - mostly - work for me Jul 11 13:10:24 Otherwise, I would make it HildonpannableArea Jul 11 13:10:39 Speed: And no, I failed changing scroll bar size =( Jul 11 13:10:48 :) Jul 11 13:10:59 I.e. I changed it but it did not :) Jul 11 13:12:18 xchat for n900 is fucking epic Jul 11 13:12:22 RST38h, dont the width of sliders come from the gtkrc? Jul 11 13:12:50 or is again the xchat window custom for speed already Jul 11 13:15:05 oh yeah, lack of panning is lame Jul 11 13:15:38 lcuk: in theory it does Jul 11 13:17:05 RST38h, even if it was not kinetic panning, finger panning would be feasible with a fairly simplistic hook into mouse events Jul 11 13:17:59 hai Jul 11 13:18:28 My n900 crashed, probably because of high temperature Jul 11 13:18:38 are there any logfiles to check? Jul 11 13:19:26 what makes you think it was high temperature specifically Jul 11 13:19:32 lcuk: you will loseselection then Jul 11 13:19:52 yes, was it glowing red? =) Jul 11 13:19:59 because its about 40° C in my room Jul 11 13:19:59 liqchat - the killer app? Jul 11 13:20:19 and the phone was really hot, when i touched it Jul 11 13:20:46 RST38h, thats a choice many of the old apps have with retrofitted scrolling Jul 11 13:21:00 lol SpeedEvil Jul 11 13:21:09 * RST38h leaves the scrollbar in place Jul 11 13:21:32 RST38h, mouse events - if you move left/right initially its selection mode - if you grossly obviously move up/down its usually for motion? Jul 11 13:21:40 heh, Jobs has invented the new way to brainfuck developers Jul 11 13:21:41 * lcuk agrees to leave it Jul 11 13:22:11 Vanadis, is this the first time your machine has crashed Jul 11 13:22:17 jep Jul 11 13:22:17 and what actually happened Jul 11 13:22:38 "One developer reported Thursday that he earned $1,400 in one day for his flashlight app. The amount iAds pay is 'a high number when you get it, but you don't get it very often,' said Dave Yonamine, the director of marketing at MobilityWare. " Jul 11 13:22:55 Vanadis, "cat /proc/bootreason" Jul 11 13:23:01 kthx Jul 11 13:23:33 sw_rst Jul 11 13:23:55 * RST38h killed Vanadis' n900 Jul 11 13:24:12 ^^ Jul 11 13:25:30 SpeedEvil, there have been tests btw http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png Jul 11 13:26:44 lcuk, ooo I like how it automatically grabbed the pics from the link and showed them Jul 11 13:26:49 :/ Jul 11 13:28:55 Vanadis: overclocking? Jul 11 13:29:08 currently not Jul 11 13:29:20 but sometimes on 850 Jul 11 13:30:01 doing anything wierd? Jul 11 13:30:28 Termana, yeah it does it for links and stuff too Jul 11 13:32:03 weird not, but it was at high load Jul 11 13:33:16 Ahhahaha, Exxon is going to swallow BP Jul 11 13:33:45 doubtful. Jul 11 13:33:58 Well, at least they indicated an intent to do so Jul 11 13:40:44 RST38h: o/ Jul 11 13:42:52 heya wazd =) Jul 11 13:44:10 Hi Jul 11 13:44:25 How do you enable multiple discs/isos in amiga emulator? Jul 11 13:44:39 i'm getting a consistant 10dBm drop in signal when holding the n900 with the right hand (landscape) Jul 11 13:44:45 is that common? Jul 11 13:44:49 RST38h: how's it going? :) Jul 11 13:45:07 wazd: too hot =( Jul 11 13:45:13 RST38h: you tell me :) Jul 11 13:45:27 + got a laptop venting hot air like it is going to explode Jul 11 13:45:36 RST38h: heh :) Jul 11 13:45:49 RST38h: cover it with ice Jul 11 13:46:00 On the other hand, looks like I have finally found the Fix for the N900 performance troubles Jul 11 13:46:03 RST38h: I'm going to buy HP tpuchsmart tm2 - it's pretty cool, even under heavy load Jul 11 13:46:13 touchsmart* Jul 11 13:46:27 wazd: Probably got more casing on it =) Jul 11 13:46:40 what troubles? Jul 11 13:46:54 wazd: This R500 thing is practically barebone, its casing thin like paper Jul 11 13:47:21 wazd: Hopefully getting a new one (R700) in a week though, this one has got a broken display =( Jul 11 13:47:23 RST38h: well, HP is not thin at all :D Jul 11 13:47:44 anyone know a cheap phone that fits the description of "just barely open enough to be modified to make calls via DNS"? Jul 11 13:47:57 luke: define DNS Jul 11 13:48:00 calls via dns? Jul 11 13:48:25 hahaha Jul 11 13:48:36 luke-jr: openmoko Jul 11 13:48:36 RST38h: the only downside is that Russia, as any good thirld-world country gets only lowest config :) Jul 11 13:48:46 kerio: keyword: cheap Jul 11 13:48:52 wazd: Well, you know how I avoid this downside... Jul 11 13:48:58 Corsac: DNS to PBX which calls back Jul 11 13:49:03 you'll save on the calls Jul 11 13:49:04 :P Jul 11 13:49:15 wazd, in Soviet Russian, country configures you! Jul 11 13:49:19 luke-jr: just go voip Jul 11 13:49:24 RST38h: yeah :) Jul 11 13:49:27 :D Jul 11 13:49:35 kerio: VoIP requires GPRS and probably doesn't have the quality guarantees Jul 11 13:49:49 err, requires data service* Jul 11 13:49:49 RST38h: I hope I'll have that solution one day :P Jul 11 13:49:52 * RST38h thinks he will get all violent if he hears just one more "in soviet russia" joke Jul 11 13:50:02 luke-jr: can't you just call and wait for a callback? Jul 11 13:50:04 in soviet russia, thinks just work Jul 11 13:50:09 things8 Jul 11 13:50:17 RST38h: in soviet russia, violence gets you :D Jul 11 13:50:18 wazd: If it makes you feel better, Europe is also not getting the best stuff Jul 11 13:50:27 :D Jul 11 13:50:28 kerio: I hear DTMF is blocked Jul 11 13:50:38 wazd: And prices are higher than in the US Jul 11 13:50:44 RST38h: damn :) Jul 11 13:50:49 voice recognition Jul 11 13:51:19 wazd: On the other hand, if you need an ASUS or an LG, or a Samsung, you have got better chances to find the right one in .RU =) Jul 11 13:51:47 RST38h: who needs samsung or LG anyway :) Jul 11 13:52:03 wazd: Net journos who get paid by them =) Jul 11 13:52:05 kerio: hands absorb RF Jul 11 13:52:18 wazd: Looks like Samsung bribed DPReview, of all things Jul 11 13:52:22 SpeedEvil: i know Jul 11 13:52:24 kerio: At least at 800-2.4GHz Jul 11 13:52:46 wazd: Check out this review: http://dpreview.com/reviews/samsungtl500/ Jul 11 13:52:51 RST38h: I was looking at ASUS UL30J recently, very nice laptop, but touchsmart's built in wacom is a deal for me pants down Jul 11 13:52:55 kerio: 3G ? Jul 11 13:53:01 wazd: Look at the samples comparison. Then read the conclusion and weep =) Jul 11 13:53:07 yeah Jul 11 13:53:20 kerio: I get that too - display up also can hurt Jul 11 13:53:48 wazd: Asus stuff actually looks ok, but I am scared like hell of what is inside, after bad experience with Asus Digimatrix Jul 11 13:53:56 :( Jul 11 13:54:13 grip of death indeed Jul 11 13:55:33 that sounds like a bad design choice Jul 11 13:56:37 wow - ffmpeg - especial fail. Jul 11 13:56:54 If no /usr/local/bin - it drops the first binary as /usr/local/bin Jul 11 13:56:59 And then fails on the others. Jul 11 14:01:15 Ehehe: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/10/the-creativity-crisis.html Jul 11 14:07:32 RST38h: wow, i was about to buzz that Jul 11 14:23:49 Maemo 5 is Fremantle correct? Jul 11 14:23:56 right Jul 11 14:24:41 Hmm then how can I downolad this? http://maintenance.maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_i386/rsync/3.0.4-3maemo3/ Jul 11 14:24:48 it isn't in the repos :( Jul 11 14:25:16 ~extras Jul 11 14:25:16 apt-get install rsync Jul 11 14:25:17 extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Jul 11 14:25:28 i386 is 386 Jul 11 14:25:32 desktop PC Jul 11 14:25:41 ya I grabbed the wrong link Jul 11 14:25:46 I have extras enabled Jul 11 14:25:53 http://maintenance.maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/rsync/3.0.4-3maemo3/ Jul 11 14:26:04 Seems to be Jul 11 14:26:19 does apt-get work? Jul 11 14:26:37 some stuff doesn't appear in HAM for reasons I should probably understand Jul 11 14:26:47 grsync will prolly pull it in Jul 11 14:28:21 SpeedEvil: yep apt-get did the trick thanks Jul 11 14:29:37 does fapman work better than HAM? Jul 11 14:29:38 Hmm doesn't seem like rsync wants to work in both directions :( Jul 11 14:29:57 pyther: he's just embarassed and confused about his identity Jul 11 14:36:25 pyther: ham only shows user visible apps Jul 11 14:36:28 rsync has no gui Jul 11 14:36:34 so installing it w/ ham makes no sense Jul 11 14:37:04 but if you you want to use rsync the other way, install ssh-server Jul 11 14:37:56 really, answering "y" to the apt-get prompt doesn't work Jul 11 14:37:59 the fuck Jul 11 14:38:04 wfm Jul 11 14:40:19 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/11/barefoot-bandit-arrested-the-bahamas Jul 11 14:40:44 I have way to much music Jul 11 14:40:53 Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Jul 11 14:40:55 Abort. Jul 11 14:41:15 this makes *no sense* Jul 11 14:44:14 Another potential Anonymous Cult saint. Jul 11 14:45:20 Ah - a mothers love. Jul 11 14:45:24 'Harris-Moore's mother, Pam Kohler, said last week that many of the allegations made against her son were false but that she was hoping he would eventually reach a country without an extradition agreement with the US' Jul 11 14:46:12 * RST38h hopes for the same: it will make the whole thing even funnier Jul 11 14:47:49 'lo all Jul 11 15:00:19 hey is C channel invites only on freenode? Jul 11 15:00:24 MohammadAG51, \o/ Jul 11 15:00:27 sup Jul 11 15:03:52 is huge (5) /proc/sys/vm/page_cluster justified on n900 and ssd swap at all? or it is just a default no one bothered to change? Jul 11 15:04:56 Arkenoi: I think it is related to the notion that an MMC card can only write in 256kB increments Jul 11 15:05:09 I.e. it has to do a block-erase and then write new block contents Jul 11 15:05:39 So, it is set to 32 pages = 32*4kB = 128kB Jul 11 15:06:07 what if you just overwrite content? Jul 11 15:06:28 you don't Jul 11 15:06:38 the underlying architecture doesn't have that ability Jul 11 15:06:43 kerio: can't "overwrite content" on the MMC Jul 11 15:06:53 writes are always to new blocks Jul 11 15:07:00 kerio: See wiki on "nand memory" Jul 11 15:07:11 if you overwrote the same blocks repeatedly, you'd fry your target much faster Jul 11 15:07:36 so, oddly, nokia did tune something to fit the device it shipped Jul 11 15:07:49 i know it doesn't make sense for a hardware vendor to actually do something sensible Jul 11 15:07:51 * RST38h wonders what would happen if page_cluster were set to 6 (i.e. MMC block size) Jul 11 15:07:58 but once in a while, accidents happen Jul 11 15:09:44 RST38h, true, but page_cluster is affecting read operations more? if you write something to memory page, it is unlikely to be swapped out really soon. Jul 11 15:09:51 Arkenoi: Feel like going out today? Jul 11 15:10:08 maybe, it is damn hot out there Jul 11 15:10:16 Arkenoi: Getting better Jul 11 15:10:31 Arkenoi: Should be ok by 20:00, as long as we stay in the shade Jul 11 15:10:52 Quoting from LinuxInsight: "page-cluster controls the number of pages which are written to swap in a single attempt. The swap I/O size." Jul 11 15:11:00 nothing about read operations Jul 11 15:11:26 Sounds more like it is telling the swap mechanism not to bother until its has 2^(page-cluster) pages to dump Jul 11 15:11:41 Does not say if they have to be consecutive though Jul 11 15:11:47 favourites karma rating is odd, so is the bargraph which is about same size on my page on .25 as is the 181 bar for some other value Jul 11 15:12:05 who's doing that? Jul 11 15:12:14 RST38h: where are you physically? Jul 11 15:12:22 X-Fade, dneary? Jul 11 15:12:50 timeless: Moscow. Jul 11 15:13:11 Doc: They fucked up karma computation. A while ago. Jul 11 15:13:44 Doc: Well known problem, been discussed ad nauseum Jul 11 15:13:45 RST38h, moscow sucks, viva la kaluga Jul 11 15:13:53 mhm Jul 11 15:13:59 * RST38h checks weather in Kaluga Jul 11 15:14:02 DocScrutinizer, hey Jul 11 15:14:14 RST38h, i'm not there anyway =) Jul 11 15:14:21 Zogg: Not much better, still sucks. Jul 11 15:14:57 does Vaibhav Sharma irc? Jul 11 15:15:05 Zogg: lcuk offered cold rain this morning though, so wherever he is, it must be better than here Jul 11 15:15:45 SpeedEvil's place should be nice Jul 11 15:15:50 Doc: Someone set all bug-reporting karma to nil, while letting bloggers have unlimited karma Jul 11 15:16:11 Doc: Also did some weird crap to favorites, but that was less hilarious Jul 11 15:16:41 btw, still not a single handset fried with OC, despite all scaremonger stuff. Jul 11 15:17:36 nice and sunny ATM Jul 11 15:17:39 Arkenoi: wrong Jul 11 15:17:48 Arkenoi: not on single handset reported as fried with OC Jul 11 15:18:19 DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil i doubt there are reasons to hide it for anyone Jul 11 15:18:24 TI did not want a PR crisis on their hands, so they underclocked it Jul 11 15:18:26 SpeedEvil: also wrong Jul 11 15:18:46 But I would be really interested to know what Nokia's own stats on the fried CPUs are Jul 11 15:18:58 RST38h: I extremely doubt they have any Jul 11 15:19:00 Have they fried at least a few while developing? Jul 11 15:19:02 DocScrutinizer, really? Jul 11 15:19:10 Arkenoi: I doubt there are *good* reasons to state false facts Jul 11 15:20:09 Arkenoi: Anyways, the swappiness trick has done it for me: I do not need overclocking Jul 11 15:20:11 DocScrutinizer, so there are reports on that? and why there are none on tmo and where can we get the details? Jul 11 15:20:19 Arkenoi: and your statement even double wrong, even by underlaying context. Usually devices get unreliable or show strange sporadic defects, none will 'fry' Jul 11 15:20:27 except the one which actually did Jul 11 15:20:32 Doc <--- correct Jul 11 15:20:39 as always Jul 11 15:20:56 * RST38h overclocked ARM-based hardware before. What you most often get is random coredumps, usually from sections of code that do a lot of memory accesses Jul 11 15:21:12 Because memory timings tend to go haywire first :) Jul 11 15:21:35 RST38h: or driver settings for membus Jul 11 15:21:56 i have crash reporter installed, so i see all coredumps that usually get unnoticed by user. i do not see the rate to be increased any way after a few months. Jul 11 15:22:05 Well, my hardware had no drivers tor speak about :) Jul 11 15:22:24 Arkenoi: BTW, I cannot create a single coredump Jul 11 15:22:29 and actually there was plenty of those before, just "invisible" if you have no crash reporter installed Jul 11 15:22:29 Arkenoi: Is there a magic trick? Jul 11 15:22:43 * RST38h has directory created on mmc, and ulimit set Jul 11 15:22:50 Arkenoi: I don't think anyone has ever argued that overclocking will fry any given CPU over x months. Jul 11 15:23:04 RST38h, core dump on N900 ? what paths have you got set on mmc ? Jul 11 15:23:14 Arkenoi: It may damage only a small fraction of CPUs after a year, or ... Jul 11 15:23:14 odin: a moment Jul 11 15:23:21 RST38h, i have "crash reporter" installed which does it for me Jul 11 15:23:29 did not try by hand Jul 11 15:23:43 http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/news/reversible.html Jul 11 15:23:53 Arkenoi: if you see rate increasing, it's too late, dude Jul 11 15:23:53 It would be so cool if you could enable that for all processes cheaply Jul 11 15:24:03 odin: /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps Jul 11 15:24:13 (the ability to step backwards though a crashed program to get to before it crashes) Jul 11 15:24:19 Speed: Old news Jul 11 15:24:26 Indeed. Jul 11 15:24:29 Speed: You can only do this on an emulator Jul 11 15:24:30 RST38h, I have /media/mmc1/core-dumps/ (as I have MMC installed) Jul 11 15:24:31 I only recently discovered it Jul 11 15:24:52 RST38h, do you have eMMC only or "eMMC and MMC" ? Jul 11 15:24:52 Speed: [Here I am supposed to advertise the emulation product we are working on at Intel] Jul 11 15:25:05 odin: I have an external card as well Jul 11 15:25:11 RST38h: Oooh! Can it emulate ARM, and use the same amount of power! Jul 11 15:25:15 odin: Does it matter? Jul 11 15:25:22 Speed: No, you will have to switch to Atom ;) Jul 11 15:25:43 RST38h, then create that dir, I seem to remember it was brain dead to working out that dir does not exist, if the /media/mmc1 is there is will always try and send there Jul 11 15:25:48 A'ok Jul 11 15:26:15 Done Jul 11 15:26:24 * SpeedEvil wishes the fusion power source next to his genitals was more powerful. Jul 11 15:26:28 s/fusion/fission/ Jul 11 15:26:44 Eat more plutonium Jul 11 15:27:06 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLUE-NITE-TRITIUM-GADGET-KEYRING-GLOWRING-GLOW-STICK-/330450138431?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item4cf05cf53f - one of these Jul 11 15:27:15 RST38h, also cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern, if 'crash reporter' is installed ok, it should point to the scripts it installed Jul 11 15:27:37 the n900 needs an unlimited battery Jul 11 15:27:45 so we can delete the bme Jul 11 15:28:26 DocScrutinizer, how were you getting on with openBME (and MeeGo) ? Jul 11 15:29:38 odin: Installing stufff. Jul 11 15:30:54 RST38h, what is the translation from russian ? you got a core file to appear, well an lzo "incident" packaged core file ? Jul 11 15:31:05 SpeedEvil: WTF?!?! Jul 11 15:31:40 odin: I am installing crash reporter. Jul 11 15:31:43 is tritium an alpha radiating isotope? Jul 11 15:32:34 no Jul 11 15:32:42 it emits beta Jul 11 15:33:13 ouch Jul 11 15:33:18 DocScrutinizer, beta Jul 11 15:33:24 still safe enough Jul 11 15:33:35 Well - and a neutrino Jul 11 15:33:38 tin foil hat time ? Jul 11 15:34:00 There is no other gaseous radioisotope that's likely to get accidentally mixed with tritium. Jul 11 15:34:05 odin_: testicles frying time Jul 11 15:34:28 So, as beta is _completely_ shielded by the ~4mm of plastic/glass - it's utterly safe Jul 11 15:34:40 mhm Jul 11 15:34:48 Unless you ingest a beta emitter Jul 11 15:34:49 _completely_ safe, huh ! Jul 11 15:35:04 RST38h: I did the numbers some time ago Jul 11 15:35:20 I wonder how they even may sell those Jul 11 15:35:24 Like...mhm... Jul 11 15:35:28 polonium. Jul 11 15:35:37 * Arkenoi has wristwatch illuminated with tiny tritium tubes Jul 11 15:35:39 RST38h: To hit the safety limits for beta ingestion, you would need to take 30 of these devices, and then crack them while inhaling through a flame. Jul 11 15:35:42 Doc: Easily Jul 11 15:35:53 Speed: What devices? Jul 11 15:36:09 marathon u.s. government, made just before they switched to light accumulating Jul 11 15:36:11 http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=tritium%20keychain&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories Jul 11 15:36:37 Speed: Oh, but if I get you into my hands, you will not be swallowing those. Jul 11 15:36:39 REally handy on the keychain. Jul 11 15:36:56 Speed: You will be eating those brushes photographers use to remove dust from their glass instead. Jul 11 15:37:22 uh? Jul 11 15:37:27 * RST38h cackles evilly Jul 11 15:38:38 * SpeedEvil ponders overclocking, as ffmpeg is taking ages to rebuild. Jul 11 15:38:48 hmmm, my own little atomic power plant.... Jul 11 15:38:52 * DocScrutinizer ponders Jul 11 15:39:03 The optical output of the above is of the order of 500nW Jul 11 15:39:16 Speed: But why not compile on the host? Jul 11 15:39:26 It's a testament to the sensitivity of the eye that you can see it at 30m Jul 11 15:39:46 eye can detect some 10 photons Jul 11 15:39:49 RST38h: I have very, very little energy for actual thought these days. Jul 11 15:40:27 RST38h: Doing stuff that 'just works' - is lots easier. And installingn scratchbox on slackware seems like quite a lot of pain. Jul 11 15:40:33 oh Jul 11 15:41:08 DocScrutinizer: 1nw/m^2 is a nice handy number for an easily visible star (magnitude 4) Jul 11 15:41:08 * DocScrutinizer waves and heads out for a fast graceful death in the heat outside, rather than the somewhat cruel slow one inside Jul 11 15:41:15 wave. Jul 11 15:42:15 All I'm actually wondering about is if ffplay can play some slightly malformed flash files I've rtmpdumped. Jul 11 15:42:29 mplayer and the inbuilt player won't Jul 11 15:44:18 Fun: move a file from the internal MMC card to the external MMC card with mv Jul 11 15:44:50 all apps stall? Jul 11 15:45:17 But of course Jul 11 15:45:30 Plus it is probably faster to transfer them to the host over USB and then back Jul 11 15:46:15 I wonder if dd could be faster with some of the write flags Jul 11 15:47:06 actually, with less swappiness, it is bearable Jul 11 15:47:11 does not hang that much Jul 11 15:47:17 just slow Jul 11 16:05:59 * alterego wonders what the latest build of the handset UX is like .. Jul 11 16:06:22 make a image? Jul 11 16:08:24 Should there be sound when using amiga emulator in n900? I get no sound Jul 11 16:10:21 hmm, t(0.5) of T =12.32y Jul 11 16:10:34 alterego: same as the one published just now? Jul 11 16:10:43 Mh. really, a build cycle for python apps with maemo is kinda complicated. I develop on my laptop. I prepare a tar that contains a folder structure that py2deb likes. I tar it, transfer it to the n900. I run py2deb. I transfer the dsc, changes and tar.gz to my lap top. I upload it to autobuilder. I wait. I update the n900, and get the new version. Jul 11 16:10:49 lots of transferring going on., Jul 11 16:13:23 Shapeshifter: scratchbox Jul 11 16:13:46 RST38h: ? Jul 11 16:13:54 RST38h: "just now?" :) Jul 11 16:14:05 alterego: I mean, why do you think they changed anything since the publication date? Jul 11 16:14:07 I tried it on day 1 of its' release. Jul 11 16:14:19 11 days ago, no? Jul 11 16:14:21 Yeah, I built my own, wondering if there's been much progress. Jul 11 16:17:20 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jul 11 16:17:52 I was wrong - ffplay on that flash content I was referring to doesn't use 25% of CPU Jul 11 16:18:05 Shapeshifter: you could probably have a shell script that tar'd, scp'd to n900, untared on n900, ran the py2deb command on n900, scp the files back, and upload to autobuilder Jul 11 16:18:13 It uses 40% at 250MHz Jul 11 16:19:25 crashanddie: mhh, yeah. Jul 11 16:36:06 hey guys Jul 11 16:36:20 does anyone know how to properly install a 3rd party library inside MADDE? Jul 11 16:38:30 Venemo: I don't know about properly doing it, but if you can get the package and it'sdeps you can alwaystry dpkg -x package.deb /path/to/madde/rootfs Jul 11 16:40:15 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/literature/why-mockingbird-has-been-chall.html Jul 11 16:40:17 * timeless_mbp sighs Jul 11 16:41:46 what's madde Jul 11 16:42:26 kerio: it's a buildenvironment formaemo apps Jul 11 16:42:44 It's used in the Nokia Qt SDK Jul 11 16:43:22 alterego: there is no dpkg in MADDE afaik Jul 11 16:43:41 Venemo: doesn't matter, ifyou're using a debian based distrojust use that. Jul 11 16:43:54 alterego: I use Windows Jul 11 16:43:57 Though, permissions will be broken and postinst preinst scripts wont be executed etc. Jul 11 16:44:02 * Venemo runs quickly Jul 11 16:44:02 Hrm,oh Jul 11 16:44:08 :P Jul 11 16:44:14 Af'noon, all Jul 11 16:44:16 Install GNU/Linux :P Jul 11 16:44:20 Hey Jaffa :) Jul 11 16:45:25 alterego: I extracted the contents of the .deb and -dev .deb files of the library to the sysroot folder of MADDE Jul 11 16:46:22 And it doesn't work? Jul 11 16:46:26 alterego: no Jul 11 16:46:48 :/ Jul 11 16:46:52 Dunnothen Jul 11 16:46:57 Have you asked in qt-maemo? Jul 11 16:47:01 alterego: if I add the exact path to the full .so file to LIBS, it works Jul 11 16:47:18 alterego: otherwise it fails with "undefined reference to ..." Jul 11 16:47:19 Yeah, I think it's to do with the library cache Jul 11 16:47:45 Try running: mad ldconfig Jul 11 16:47:46 :) Jul 11 16:48:17 alterego: okay, will do Jul 11 16:49:02 alterego: ldconfig -- command not found Jul 11 16:50:16 Was sort of half expecting that :D Jul 11 16:51:13 Strange, worksfor me.. Jul 11 16:51:22 Well, it doesn't work work, but it's there in my rootfs ... Jul 11 16:51:36 alterego: ? Jul 11 16:51:54 C:\Projects\Sticky Notes\sticky-notes>mad ldconfig Jul 11 16:51:54 mad: ldconfig -- command not found Jul 11 16:52:05 :/ ? Jul 11 16:52:14 I don't know then :P Jul 11 16:52:36 alterego: how did you do it? Jul 11 16:54:00 /home/tswindell/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/bin/mad ldconfig Jul 11 16:54:02 /sbin/ldconfig.real: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied Jul 11 16:54:11 That's sort of expected reallly. Jul 11 16:54:22 Anyhow, I'll bbiam Jul 11 16:56:54 alterego: okay Jul 11 16:57:32 alterego: the problem is, that this doesn't work: LIBS += -lhildon-extras-1 Jul 11 16:57:58 alterego: even though that is in the output of mad pkg-config hildon-extras-1 Jul 11 16:58:14 alterego: this works: C:/MADDE/0.6.72/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-10.2010.19-1-slim/usr/lib/libhildon-extras-1.so.0.0.0 Jul 11 16:58:30 alterego: however, I don't think I would get through the autobuilder with that! :D Jul 11 17:14:36 brb Jul 11 17:14:42 Is gameboy advance emulation suppose to be really slow? Jul 11 17:15:06 bad port, so I guess it would be slow Jul 11 17:15:35 MohammadAG51: what do you mean by that? Jul 11 17:15:49 the emulator is a bad port Jul 11 17:16:32 ahh what are some good ports? Jul 11 17:16:53 or which emulators will perform well on the N900? Jul 11 17:17:52 i don't know which will but i know which do Jul 11 17:18:28 pupnik: mind sharing? Jul 11 17:18:39 MohammadAG51: if you're talking about vgba please clarify why you say it's a 'bad port' Jul 11 17:18:40 yyfy Jul 11 17:18:56 woops wrong window :P Jul 11 17:23:38 RST38h, lake district, north england Jul 11 17:23:44 plenty of rain Jul 11 17:28:06 Could someone who has a couple of minutes to spare please install Maemo Reactor from extras-devel and tell me if it launches okay from the app menu? I can't figure out why some people seem to have a problem launching it... It's a game for two players btw. Jul 11 17:29:37 As always, it is hard to extract any useful info out of tmo users telling me that "it doesn't work". Jul 11 17:30:59 After this operation, 9548kB of additional disk space will be used. Jul 11 17:31:00 ... Jul 11 17:31:10 most of it is pngs Jul 11 17:31:13 and its optified Jul 11 17:31:24 Shapeshifter: your best bet to get meaningful feedback if you need it and the app itself is optified and remotely stable is promote it to testing Jul 11 17:32:04 nidO: I see Jul 11 17:32:29 youll generally get proper feedback on whats gone wrong from testers rather than tmo's usual "ITS BROKE FIX IT FUCKER" Jul 11 17:32:32 I'm guessing that I made some sort of packaging mistake because the app itself is rockstable and WFM Jul 11 17:33:45 * lcuk installs maemoreactor Jul 11 17:34:16 \o/ Jul 11 17:34:19 Time forsome seriousrefactoring, muahahah Jul 11 17:34:19 I click the icon, and nothing happens Jul 11 17:34:34 SpeedEvil: :/ so what happens if you run /usr/bin/maemoreactor ? Jul 11 17:34:35 * udntnome Shapeshifter bricked my phone! Jul 11 17:34:36 try launching from terminal, see what output you get Jul 11 17:34:43 (im installing atm as well) Jul 11 17:35:03 not found Jul 11 17:35:07 I have a a book in word document format. what is the best way to make it available for N900? It will have lots of internal hyperlinks Jul 11 17:35:08 D: Jul 11 17:35:12 Shapeshifter, you have icon at least! Jul 11 17:35:22 very zen game Jul 11 17:36:00 Ok - the file is actually tehre Jul 11 17:36:10 60 bytes Jul 11 17:36:14 yes it is Jul 11 17:36:17 not found and icon does nothing Jul 11 17:36:17 mh Jul 11 17:36:20 chmod +x? Jul 11 17:36:32 Naughty! Jul 11 17:36:35 #!/bin/bash Jul 11 17:36:38 silly Shapeshifter Jul 11 17:36:40 doh Jul 11 17:36:41 ahhhh Jul 11 17:36:43 xD Jul 11 17:36:51 habits... Jul 11 17:37:00 thats that one solved then :p Jul 11 17:37:03 i wasted my time cause of that mistake! Jul 11 17:37:18 is the proper way to use #!/bin/sh and rely on a simlink if bash/ksh/zsh is preferred? Jul 11 17:37:21 so, /bin/ash ? or something with env? Jul 11 17:37:25 ah. Jul 11 17:37:26 sh Jul 11 17:37:28 nidO, thats why sometimes smoke tests before -testing is good :) Jul 11 17:38:03 pupnik: generally, yes Jul 11 17:38:08 lcuk: I figured he had something more obscure that would need a bit more testing, as he mentioned "some" people having problems launching it, suggesting it was okay for most :p Jul 11 17:38:30 Well - it will work for a subset of users. Jul 11 17:38:35 nidO, if it works for him and not for his other tester - thats same result Jul 11 17:38:40 those that've installed bash Jul 11 17:38:50 anyway, Shapeshifter please be updating it :P Jul 11 17:38:57 So I assume stuff that goes to -testing needs a proper bugtracker. A forum thread is not valid, is it? Jul 11 17:39:06 it is Jul 11 17:39:10 lcuk: fix will be up within half an hour or so Jul 11 17:39:17 nidO: allright Jul 11 17:39:20 I prefer a forum link over an email address - which is also legal Jul 11 17:39:27 email address is fine for small basic apps, for others either a dedicated forum thread or proper bugtracker anywhere is fine Jul 11 17:39:30 but I greatly prefer bugtracker if it's there Jul 11 17:40:28 Shapeshifter, "python shapeshifter -f" does not come up fullscreen Jul 11 17:40:34 doh Jul 11 17:41:04 lcuk: mh? Jul 11 17:41:12 tis ok either way Jul 11 17:41:19 i used -f as parameter Jul 11 17:41:27 and just screwed up asking you a min ago ;) Jul 11 17:41:31 you're not happy with the f? Jul 11 17:41:44 it works now am looking :P Jul 11 17:41:46 well I guess I should use getopts but I was lazy Jul 11 17:42:10 nice app Shapeshifter Jul 11 17:42:18 yes, novel Jul 11 17:43:33 well the idea wasn't mine. It's inspired by an android app I saw on a friedns HTC. But some of the minigames are entirely my idea. And it has more than the original ;) Jul 11 17:44:06 How much have you spent on patent lawyers so far? Jul 11 17:44:06 Shapeshifter: link to your app? Jul 11 17:44:09 it's fun as an occasional challenge at the pub :) Jul 11 17:44:23 yeah Jul 11 17:44:29 pyther: it's in extras-devel. tmo discussion http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58147 Jul 11 17:44:33 I assume there is no trivial way to go from a SDL-on-FB - with a link switch or something to a SDL-on-window? Jul 11 17:45:05 SpeedEvil: you mean going from fullscreen to windowed? Jul 11 17:45:26 no Jul 11 17:45:45 I've currently done a stupid proof of concept - built ffplay on the device - with sdl Jul 11 17:45:48 simple direct layer on facebook? Jul 11 17:45:50 This 'works' Jul 11 17:46:10 or whatever sdl means ;) Jul 11 17:46:10 In terms of it plays video smoothly, and fast, with low (comparatively) CPU usage. Jul 11 17:46:35 But - it breaks the touchscreen, and tries to draw directly on the framebuffer - which has obvious issues Jul 11 17:52:34 Heh Jul 11 17:56:04 ... fapman Jul 11 17:56:11 love that name for a package manager... Jul 11 17:57:22 Heh Jul 11 17:57:33 One of frals? :) Jul 11 17:57:57 Processing package fapman 0.1-3. Uploader: hqh Jul 11 17:59:57 alterego, sudo make me a sammich Jul 11 18:00:50 hello Jul 11 18:01:21 MohammadAG51: sorry, I can't:delegate wife, because she's doing the washing ... Jul 11 18:01:39 lol Jul 11 18:01:48 i have a question Jul 11 18:01:56 alterego, screw you Jul 11 18:01:59 infobot, $100 Jul 11 18:02:01 * infobot gives mohammadag51 full service! Jul 11 18:02:08 alterego: nah, it's Fast APplication MANager Jul 11 18:02:08 maybe someone can help me out :) Jul 11 18:02:16 infobot: $5 Jul 11 18:02:26 kerio, no, it's fap manager Jul 11 18:02:27 sisto: don't ask if you can ask questions Jul 11 18:02:29 just ask the question Jul 11 18:02:33 MohammadAG51: heh Jul 11 18:02:45 kerio: lol Jul 11 18:02:55 I have an n810 and i'm worried the repos might get shut down Jul 11 18:03:00 yep. people need a manager to fap these days. Jul 11 18:03:09 sisto: probably Jul 11 18:03:10 sisto: why would they be? Jul 11 18:03:14 is there a backup script to get the packages? Jul 11 18:03:16 Shapeshifter, yeah, bad memory Jul 11 18:03:25 see apt-mirror Jul 11 18:03:25 like download the whole repos Jul 11 18:03:33 fap-t-get Jul 11 18:03:39 alterego: lol Jul 11 18:03:54 sisto: that would kind of render the usefulness of repos null, would it not? Jul 11 18:04:12 allright. I updated the maemoreactor package. should work for everyone now. Jul 11 18:04:14 This FAPT has super D*** powers Jul 11 18:04:15 crashanddie: exactly Jul 11 18:04:34 time for a promote to testing then Shapeshifter? :p Jul 11 18:04:36 sisto: there are no plans to shut down the n810, they are hosted on the same servers as the ones that offer the n900 services, so I doubt they'll die any time soon Jul 11 18:04:44 nidO: will do. Jul 11 18:04:44 I'm just worried the n810 repos might get shut down because n810 was discontinued Jul 11 18:05:01 it probably wont happen anytime particularly soon sisto Jul 11 18:05:20 I guess Jul 11 18:05:28 but better safe than sorry Jul 11 18:05:43 sisto: and even if it were to happen, you can be sure that a community alternative would be set up Jul 11 18:06:00 sisto: also, please don't download the full repos just for shits and giggles. Bandwidth is expensive. Jul 11 18:06:24 i guess too but someone has to keep all the repos if we want the community to make an alternative Jul 11 18:06:42 freeeee.org Jul 11 18:06:56 anyway... MohammadAG51 thx Jul 11 18:07:05 will try that Jul 11 18:07:09 hmm, nvm, that's for M5 Jul 11 18:07:11 if you'd like to setup a mirror, I'm sure you can contact some people if you'd like to offer some help Jul 11 18:07:21 the apt-mirror suggestion Jul 11 18:07:54 X-Fade: around? Jul 11 18:09:40 did sisto leave? Jul 11 18:09:43 ugh Jul 11 18:09:51 i hate it when windows can't just automatically find drivers for a nic Jul 11 18:10:09 i stuck a realtek 8169 chipset nic in it and that is something that should just work Jul 11 18:12:56 hi Jul 11 18:13:13 hi RZ Jul 11 18:13:24 Ok so it works :) Jul 11 18:13:43 no, it doesn't Jul 11 18:13:45 Thank you for your help. Jul 11 18:30:17 BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZBZBZBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Jul 11 18:30:32 (wc2010 final start) Jul 11 18:31:34 * crashanddie wonders if he could install a turbocharger Jul 11 18:31:44 powered by the vuvuzelas? Jul 11 18:32:24 alterego: ping Jul 11 18:32:38 hah Jul 11 18:32:52 usb2 drive is only giving me 15MB/s Jul 11 18:32:56 wtf :) Jul 11 18:33:01 480mbit my ass Jul 11 18:33:32 I get 30M Jul 11 18:34:17 i only get 4MB/s with 100baseT Jul 11 18:34:18 :( Jul 11 18:34:29 well Jul 11 18:34:51 wifi n plus ethernet 100mbps Jul 11 18:35:04 i get 34MBs with my N900 Jul 11 18:35:32 MohammadAG51: yeah - reading from all devices at once Jul 11 18:39:35 haha Jul 11 18:41:37 well. i suppose 1hr for 40GB must do Jul 11 18:41:50 Macer: did you try the IRC plugin after all? Jul 11 18:42:09 i have to back vdisks up to an encrypted drive Jul 11 18:42:13 Macer: and how would it work with ##world-cup? Jul 11 18:42:14 yes Jul 11 18:42:31 there is no way to join a # that i can see Jul 11 18:42:39 Venemo: pong Jul 11 18:42:42 Macer: yeah, I couldn't find a way either Jul 11 18:43:03 heh Jul 11 18:43:09 im uninstalling it Jul 11 18:43:12 alterego: so, how did you solve the issue about MADDE + libraries? Jul 11 18:43:16 it is worthless :) Jul 11 18:43:32 Macer: yeah... sorry. I really didn't know Jul 11 18:43:46 kind of sucks Jul 11 18:44:03 i would rather use telepathy than xchat Jul 11 18:44:10 Venemo: I didn't :P Jul 11 18:44:15 i guess i can always use irssi Jul 11 18:44:20 :) Jul 11 18:44:26 Macer: is it good? Jul 11 18:44:33 irssi? Jul 11 18:44:40 sure Jul 11 18:44:40 Macer: yeah Jul 11 18:44:56 usually i ssh to my shell box and use irssi Jul 11 18:44:57 alterego: and... can you recommend something? Jul 11 18:45:21 it is really great once you set everything up just right Jul 11 18:45:29 Macer: it's probably for bitlbee Jul 11 18:45:34 alterego: it seems that MADDE doesn't know which .so file does "-lhildon-extras-1" mean Jul 11 18:45:54 alterego: is it possible to set it up somehow? Jul 11 18:46:11 alterego: I'm a total lame when it comes to Linux and its stuff, I have to admit. Jul 11 18:47:11 there Jul 11 18:47:25 hopefully the telepathy plugin stops sucking some day soon Jul 11 18:47:27 :) Jul 11 18:49:36 Macer: yeah, hopefully. Jul 11 18:51:55 Good evening guys and gals! Jul 11 18:52:16 What is the news for today? Jul 11 18:52:52 DrGrov: The end of the world is coming. Jul 11 18:53:42 in 2012? Jul 11 18:54:00 NOW. Jul 11 18:54:12 sooner if the bp methane bubble explodes Jul 11 18:54:32 Ah, the have goot a methane bubble too now? Jul 11 18:54:34 Sweet Jul 11 18:54:45 yeah Jul 11 18:54:51 wish i remember the site Jul 11 18:54:54 I got methane enough Jul 11 18:54:54 it was a riot Jul 11 18:55:12 Do not get in wrong situation with me or feel the wrath of the methane Jul 11 18:55:24 some environmental site saying the bp spill could end all life on earth Jul 11 18:55:28 it was great Jul 11 18:59:45 http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00831.htmhttp://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00831.htm Jul 11 18:59:54 (nothing new, really, but fun) Jul 11 18:59:55 the end-of-the-world talk is starting to get very old Jul 11 19:00:24 don't worry, fresh reasons are coming up daily. Jul 11 19:00:42 i wonder when a mobile phone will be responsible for the end of the world? rofl Jul 11 19:03:07 RST38h: i don't get it Jul 11 19:04:34 DocScrutinizer51: that BSI seems to be bit more than just battery type Jul 11 19:05:08 DocScrutinizer51: bme is reading it too often Jul 11 19:05:39 jacekowski: just another nonsense/bug/younameit of bme Jul 11 19:06:09 except of course that bme is shutting down device in <1s on bat removal Jul 11 19:06:39 and bme has no other way to detect bat removal, that reading BSI Jul 11 19:06:47 than* Jul 11 19:06:58 well, i stopped bme Jul 11 19:07:02 how about we just let the device power down naturally? Jul 11 19:07:02 and phone still died Jul 11 19:07:43 jacekowski: eh? Jul 11 19:07:59 jacekowski: you seen my hotswap tmo? Jul 11 19:08:02 connect charger -> stop bme -> disconnect -> dead phone Jul 11 19:08:05 no Jul 11 19:08:11 You need careful planning to keep charger chip properly configured after shutting down bme andr removing batt Jul 11 19:08:25 i suppose bme stops charging when it's stopped Jul 11 19:08:33 ShadowJK: yeah. make sure it's charging Jul 11 19:08:41 nope it doesn't Jul 11 19:08:55 Well, if battery is full it might actually be in the charger-off state Jul 11 19:09:03 yes Jul 11 19:09:13 see tmo hotswap - it's all in there Jul 11 19:09:14 so now when it's charging i can just do stop bme Jul 11 19:09:19 and it will keep working? Jul 11 19:09:24 yes Jul 11 19:09:32 for at least 32min Jul 11 19:10:04 for longer if you tickle bq24150 32min timer Jul 11 19:10:15 it'll keep charging at 950mA for 0-32s, then 500mA or 100mA for 32 minutes afaiu Jul 11 19:10:15 hmm, Jul 11 19:10:17 sort of Jul 11 19:10:26 ShadowJK: exactly Jul 11 19:10:28 it took it more than 1s to die Jul 11 19:10:34 but it still died Jul 11 19:11:00 anyway, back to tv Jul 11 19:11:24 jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734&page=2 Jul 11 19:11:38 Also, if power draw drops below 50mA, charger shuts down. 3g/gsm/wifi likely draw more than 500/950 peak Jul 11 19:12:16 nah, it looked more like i went over the limit Jul 11 19:12:30 So DocScrutinizer's guide is designed to ensure draw doesn't drop below 50 and doesn't exceed max Jul 11 19:12:41 did screen fade to white then dim? :) Jul 11 19:13:00 sort of Jul 11 19:13:07 backlight faded away Jul 11 19:13:13 slightly Jul 11 19:13:19 ShadowJK: well, that's what I wrote there, yes Jul 11 19:13:22 and then it just looked like it lost power Jul 11 19:14:03 is there a tutorial "how to change your car's wheels without stopping"? Jul 11 19:15:06 does anybody have idea what is the difference between charger Jul 11 19:15:11 and usb cable connected to pc Jul 11 19:15:13 and headphones Jul 11 19:15:17 in terms of fmtx Jul 11 19:15:26 because connecting charger just reduces the power Jul 11 19:15:42 but connecting headphones or computer switches it off Jul 11 19:15:50 that makes no sense btw Jul 11 19:16:15 which part? Jul 11 19:16:45 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 #26 Jul 11 19:16:46 Bug 6792: FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected Jul 11 19:16:47 the part where the fmtx reduces power when something is plugged in Jul 11 19:17:24 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTX Jul 11 19:17:46 404 Jul 11 19:18:06 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD Jul 11 19:18:48 do the headphones help with the transmission, btw? Jul 11 19:18:52 yes Jul 11 19:18:59 every lead helps with transmission Jul 11 19:19:09 And the transmission is intentionally shit. Jul 11 19:19:15 :( Jul 11 19:19:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter Jul 11 19:19:25 stupid nokia Jul 11 19:19:28 See the inherent limitations section Jul 11 19:19:34 not actually nokias fault Jul 11 19:19:35 well, i've modded fmtxd to squeeze as much oompf of fmtx as possible Jul 11 19:19:52 s/of/from/ Jul 11 19:19:54 jacekowski meant: well, i've modded fmtxd to squeeze as much oompf from fmtx as possible Jul 11 19:21:08 jacekowski: so does your modified fmtxd make the fmtx work as much as it can? Jul 11 19:21:20 and should i plug headphones and usb cables to boost the transmission? Jul 11 19:22:06 i've never tried that Jul 11 19:22:16 Plug in the USB cable, not plugged into anything else, and the transmission vastly improves Jul 11 19:22:17 it just ignores usb cable and headphones Jul 11 19:22:39 jacekowski: can you modify it so that it ignores the power settings and it always transmits on 118? Jul 11 19:22:50 that's what i've done Jul 11 19:22:56 well, i've changed it to 120 Jul 11 19:23:01 even better! Jul 11 19:23:02 :D Jul 11 19:23:10 we should overclock the transmitter Jul 11 19:23:20 the driver enforces 120 Jul 11 19:23:36 well, we could talk directly over i2c Jul 11 19:23:38 we should overclock the driver Jul 11 19:23:41 the chip may or may not do interesting things if you wrote 128 to the register Jul 11 19:23:56 the specced limit is 120 in the datasheet IIRC Jul 11 19:23:57 maybe it'll explode Jul 11 19:24:08 delicious magic smoke :3 Jul 11 19:24:11 The limits are actually sane Jul 11 19:24:18 The power limit that is Jul 11 19:24:56 Consider a radio listening to a marginal station. a 50nW transmitter on the same frequency will actually interfere with that from up to a kilometer away Jul 11 19:25:13 SpeedEvil: yeah, that's what i want to do Jul 11 19:25:18 :D Jul 11 19:25:23 It's not audible of course, but it causes the noise level to rise for that radio Jul 11 19:26:24 and there is one more thing Jul 11 19:26:37 fmtxd itself enforces headphones and usb detection Jul 11 19:26:53 but then GUI checks for headphones again Jul 11 19:27:36 department of redundancy department is redundant Jul 11 19:29:03 well, it doesn't check for USB cable Jul 11 19:45:36 I have to say, I'm quite glad Nokia has forced me to learn Qt, I think I prefer it to gtk ... Jul 11 19:46:47 alterego: HAAH! I actually found the solution! Jul 11 19:48:07 why do you prefer it? Jul 11 19:50:24 because it doesnt look like it is from 1980 Jul 11 19:50:44 well, gtk-engines-qt Jul 11 19:51:27 Were you even alive in 1980? Jul 11 19:55:20 Venemo: prey tell :) Jul 11 19:55:25 8 Jul 11 19:55:34 Shapeshifter: about? Jul 11 19:55:37 gtk looks nice Jul 11 19:57:36 is there a way to SMS vcards from the nit? Jul 11 20:05:50 gtk looks horrible Jul 11 20:05:56 might as well use motif Jul 11 20:06:19 gtk is themeable Jul 11 20:06:24 motif was not Jul 11 20:07:13 Hi, are global shortcuts like ctrl+shift+p modifiable? (e.g. is there any config file for them?) Jul 11 20:07:33 ctrl-shift-p? Jul 11 20:07:35 what does that do? Jul 11 20:07:36 :o Jul 11 20:07:47 hmm, perhaps it was s Jul 11 20:07:53 to screenshot Jul 11 20:09:47 no Jul 11 20:09:53 it's ctrl+shift+p Jul 11 20:09:57 as you said Jul 11 20:09:58 :p Jul 11 20:10:07 Ah, all right then Jul 11 20:10:27 FireFly|n900: no, not customisable, as they're hard coded into the source of hildon desktop Jul 11 20:10:46 Oh, okay Jul 11 20:10:52 alterego: ??? Jul 11 20:10:55 Thanks for the info, though Jul 11 20:11:05 alterego: it can be changed Jul 11 20:11:07 jacekowski: yes? Jul 11 20:11:09 well, i can Jul 11 20:11:14 Really? Jul 11 20:11:16 yes Jul 11 20:11:17 Where? Jul 11 20:11:17 alterego: the solution was to copy-paste the .so.0.0.0 file into the .so and the .so.0 file Jul 11 20:11:33 Venemo: symlink Jul 11 20:11:35 alterego: because MADDE looks for -lyourlib as "yourlib.so" Jul 11 20:11:41 Right Jul 11 20:12:01 jacekowski: so, howdid you customise it. Jul 11 20:12:11 jacekowski: yeah, but I rather don't symlink on Windows Jul 11 20:12:12 with hex editor Jul 11 20:18:12 I don't believe you :P Jul 11 20:18:52 you know you can modify pretty much in theory with a hexeditor Jul 11 20:19:48 jacekowski, if so, could you please enlighten me what file to edit Jul 11 20:20:25 Venemo: why not symlink in windows? Jul 11 20:20:32 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop Jul 11 20:20:51 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch Jul 11 20:21:53 FIQ: I know in theory, I don't think he's done it though. Jul 11 20:22:09 unixSnob: it is possible, but unconvenient. and there is no GUI for it. :P Jul 11 20:22:17 emm, Jul 11 20:22:20 .. Jul 11 20:22:23 i'm using hex editor with a gui Jul 11 20:22:24 you can? Jul 11 20:22:26 And it's not maintainable. Jul 11 20:22:38 Venemo: i seem to recall using a gui for it Jul 11 20:22:48 As soon as a new version is released you'll need to get the offset again. Jul 11 20:23:01 i think power tools or something has a gui for ntfs simlinks Jul 11 20:23:02 not too complicated Jul 11 20:23:09 jacekowski: speaking of which, what is the offset for the input mask for thescreenshot then? Jul 11 20:23:09 it's plain text Jul 11 20:23:41 ... Jul 11 20:24:08 I've used ntfs symlinks in the past to relocate C:\documents and settings to a more reasonable place Jul 11 20:24:19 hmm.. modified-hildon-desktop sounds a bit promising Jul 11 20:25:19 Anyone know a good torrent client for Maemo 5? Transmission is using a lot of resource and gets the device hot. Jul 11 20:25:39 torrents by nature are rough on a system Jul 11 20:25:44 unixSnob: tbh, I didn't care too much. I'm just happy to make it work. Jul 11 20:26:04 alterego: 6396c Jul 11 20:26:34 alterego: on file with md5 3F8B37004BE5201BFA6EDB22E9A80CC6 Jul 11 20:26:47 alterego: and size 453612 Jul 11 20:26:57 unixSnob: use mount points! Jul 11 20:27:02 way cooler Jul 11 20:27:09 how do i increase the font size i xXchat? Jul 11 20:27:22 hmmmmm, Jul 11 20:27:28 Crooster: settings menu Jul 11 20:27:30 tap the menu bar Jul 11 20:27:45 kerio: what are you saying? the precise term in windows is "ntfs junctions" Jul 11 20:27:46 alterego: it's plain text and easy to edit Jul 11 20:27:48 Macer: so you think that It's not the optimization of Transmission, torrent is the real problem itself? Jul 11 20:28:11 cant find it :) Jul 11 20:28:12 well. transmission does have the added overhead of the webserving Jul 11 20:28:12 torrents on a phone Jul 11 20:28:17 that's little bit of overkill Jul 11 20:28:18 but torrents are a pain on a system regardless Jul 11 20:28:26 yeah Jul 11 20:28:26 especially a 600MHz arm Jul 11 20:28:31 unixSnob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_Mount_Point Jul 11 20:28:35 with 256MB of actual ram ;) Jul 11 20:28:54 I kill my N900 using it asa modem downloading torrents on my laptop Jul 11 20:28:55 i think transmission is as light as you can get, in unix Jul 11 20:29:01 500Mbit of torrent trafic can use whole core on 2.83GHz xeon Jul 11 20:29:09 and 5-6G of ram Jul 11 20:30:00 I'm downloading @ 1 MBit peak. Jul 11 20:30:21 I get 2/2.5Mb Jul 11 20:30:23 unixSnob: mindblowing huh? Jul 11 20:30:26 kerio: not really Jul 11 20:30:26 kerio: maybe CLI alternatives? Jul 11 20:30:33 rtorrent Jul 11 20:30:37 rtorrent is lighter Jul 11 20:30:40 but rtorrent is really heavy on ram Jul 11 20:30:43 either way libtorrent will murder a phone Jul 11 20:30:46 microsoft is actually catching up on 20-years-old unix technology Jul 11 20:30:51 jacekowski: that's from the hash checking Jul 11 20:30:56 i don't really think that's a matter of rtorrent Jul 11 20:31:02 more a problem with libtorrent overall Jul 11 20:31:12 well, it's not for hash checking Jul 11 20:31:21 it keeps chunks in memory Jul 11 20:31:25 untill chunk is complete Jul 11 20:31:30 and then it writes it to disk Jul 11 20:31:50 heh Jul 11 20:32:00 so if you have like 10 connections ( 10 chunks being transfered ) each from 2 to 50M Jul 11 20:32:02 i'm sure there is a way to edit the rtorrent.rc to correct that ;) Jul 11 20:32:05 no Jul 11 20:32:09 it's how it was designed Jul 11 20:32:12 ouch Jul 11 20:32:12 heh Jul 11 20:32:14 ah well Jul 11 20:32:18 just use a seedbox Jul 11 20:32:21 what about ctorrent? Jul 11 20:32:33 well, that makes it really efficient in terms of disk I/O Jul 11 20:32:34 It'll kill the N900 much more easily. Jul 11 20:32:54 it's just a tradeof between disk/cpu/ram Jul 11 20:33:04 disk io shouldn't be an issue unless you have a retardedly fast internet connection Jul 11 20:33:13 if you are getting stalled out by your disks then whoa :) Jul 11 20:33:14 Macer: it is an issue Jul 11 20:33:30 Macer: it's completly random I/O Jul 11 20:33:40 heh Jul 11 20:33:44 yeah but at an extrememly slow rate Jul 11 20:33:48 Macer: and fast 15k SAS drive can do maybe 10M/s at that iops Jul 11 20:34:27 i've never really tested my fileserver as far as writing the torrents to the drive Jul 11 20:34:35 ( that drive can deliver more than 120M/s at sequential writes ) Jul 11 20:34:59 that's how random I/O is killing performance Jul 11 20:35:05 i know that maxed out on my internet connection my 1GHz C7 w/ 1G and a 5400rpm sata 2.5" drive can keep up :) Jul 11 20:35:08 easily Jul 11 20:35:16 and i have 22/6 Jul 11 20:35:30 with a lot of sequential writes Jul 11 20:35:33 that's why i named it beast... artigo ftw Jul 11 20:35:37 try running a seedbox Jul 11 20:35:42 with 500 torrents Jul 11 20:35:44 hehe Jul 11 20:35:50 how many peers where you downloading from? Jul 11 20:35:50 jacekowski: hahaha Jul 11 20:36:01 trying to install amsn, installation says i need libgssdp 1.0 and libgupnp 1.0. where can i find these files? Jul 11 20:36:15 why do you need amsn? Jul 11 20:36:19 4x 15k SAS barely can keep up Jul 11 20:36:20 Kegetys: probably like 50 right now Jul 11 20:36:30 jacekowski: i will try it some day Jul 11 20:36:31 ;) Jul 11 20:36:37 but i wouldn't know what to seed Jul 11 20:36:39 or any other msn cliengt forf n900 Jul 11 20:36:46 maybe i'll seed ubuntu CDs haha Jul 11 20:36:49 Crooster: huh... Conversation Jul 11 20:36:56 install the MSN (pecan) plugin Jul 11 20:37:03 Crooster: there is an MSN plugin Jul 11 20:37:04 Macer: romsets! Jul 11 20:37:10 kerio: hah! Jul 11 20:37:13 get the full TOSEC Jul 11 20:37:26 Macer: linux ISOs Jul 11 20:37:28 which works better than the amsn one? Jul 11 20:37:35 jacekowski: yeah. that's what i said. Jul 11 20:37:41 i'll get some linux torrents Jul 11 20:37:48 screw it... let me do it now and see what happens :) Jul 11 20:38:50 ubuntu.org redirects to world reform of civil society networks hahahaha Jul 11 20:39:27 Macer: www.pleasuredome.org.uk Jul 11 20:39:52 start seeding the MAME romset Jul 11 20:40:53 haha Jul 11 20:40:57 i'm seeding debian cds Jul 11 20:41:12 Hey, just were wondering, where is bootscreen manager from repos? Jul 11 20:41:29 maemo5 Jul 11 20:45:45 i want to quad-boot fremantle, meego, mer and froyo Jul 11 20:45:49 am i crazy? Jul 11 20:47:45 kerio: is there a suitable meego out yet? Jul 11 20:47:54 kerio: you're just undesided. Jul 11 20:48:01 *c Jul 11 20:48:07 tybollt: well, do you consider making phone calls as necessary? Jul 11 20:48:29 :D Jul 11 20:48:35 nah, good night guys&girls Jul 11 20:48:40 kerio: it doesn't yet? Jul 11 20:48:50 i think the cellmo isn't working Jul 11 20:48:53 not sure though Jul 11 20:48:58 ask the #meego guys Jul 11 20:48:59 kerio: What I mean to say - has there been a meego release since the first once that was just an xterm? Jul 11 20:49:14 again, ask the meego guys Jul 11 20:49:15 :) Jul 11 20:49:39 well.. not seeding them now Jul 11 20:49:42 now i'm leeching them Jul 11 20:49:56 let me see how rtorrent does on my beast of a 1GHz C7 Jul 11 20:49:58 BEAST! Jul 11 20:50:18 Macer: heh, i consider my dual-core mbp as slow Jul 11 20:50:23 oh god, i *am* crazy Jul 11 20:55:21 w00t Jul 11 20:55:34 VNC over SSH over DNS : WIN Jul 11 20:56:36 haha Jul 11 20:56:44 how many SPF are you getting? Jul 11 20:56:57 mary jane is such a tramp Jul 11 20:56:59 hehehe Jul 11 20:57:00 SPF? Jul 11 20:57:06 seconds per frame Jul 11 20:57:06 * Macer goes to play wii with his son Jul 11 20:57:14 i need to get a custom case for the wii too Jul 11 20:57:15 kerio: it actually worked quite well, but I was testing locally Jul 11 20:57:20 going for the whole red theme Jul 11 20:57:22 so in theory it only went me->router->me Jul 11 20:57:26 oh Jul 11 20:57:26 pfff Jul 11 20:57:45 I did do telnet via 2G earlier tho Jul 11 20:57:48 quite slow :/ Jul 11 20:57:56 but SSH might help a little, since it adds compression Jul 11 20:58:08 I also just added dynamic per-packet MTU detection on the server end Jul 11 20:58:32 who cares, it's free Jul 11 20:58:41 what is? Jul 11 20:58:54 tmob's dns abuse Jul 11 20:58:57 lol Jul 11 20:59:16 I wouldn't be doing it if I wasn't planning to get data in a few days ;) Jul 11 20:59:17 idea: get multiple modems Jul 11 20:59:23 just wanted to have the fun while I could Jul 11 21:00:41 also, if I wanted more bandwidth, I'd implement parallel queries Jul 11 21:00:51 my protocol supports up to 255 concurrent queries ;) Jul 11 21:01:11 (though neither server nor client implementation) Jul 11 21:02:39 and up to 254 channels/connections I might add Jul 11 21:02:47 on the server Jul 11 21:03:40 how much overhead do you have? Jul 11 21:03:50 also, how are you tunneling the connection? Jul 11 21:03:53 DNS Jul 11 21:04:01 overhead can vary Jul 11 21:04:06 upload has a lot of overhead Jul 11 21:04:17 download is about 2x I think Jul 11 21:04:27 a SOCKS proxy? Jul 11 21:04:32 ... Jul 11 21:04:34 no Jul 11 21:04:46 i meant Jul 11 21:04:48 client-side Jul 11 21:04:59 how are you forwarding a TCP connection through your program Jul 11 21:05:23 ssh -o ProxyCommand mycode.pl -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 dnstunnel Jul 11 21:06:03 SSH adds encryption and compression Jul 11 21:06:04 :) Jul 11 21:06:36 i see Jul 11 21:06:55 hmm, what does ssh expect from the proxycommand? Jul 11 21:07:03 a command Jul 11 21:07:07 i know Jul 11 21:07:12 but what's the command supposed to do Jul 11 21:07:14 SSH uses its stdin/stdout as if it were the TCP socket Jul 11 21:07:19 cool Jul 11 21:07:27 (so the hostname is just bogus?) Jul 11 21:07:31 yeah :) Jul 11 21:07:47 ssh -o ProxyCommand "mycode.pl %h" -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remotehost.com Jul 11 21:07:49 use the builtin SOCKS proxy Jul 11 21:07:51 that's another possibility Jul 11 21:07:57 how do you get ssh to connect to a device - say - /dev/ttyS0 Jul 11 21:08:00 for example Jul 11 21:08:02 SSH has tun/tap VPN now Jul 11 21:08:19 and the remote end just act like it was a local device Jul 11 21:08:21 SpeedEvil: -o ProxyCommand 'socat stdio: ???:/dev/ttyS0' Jul 11 21:08:35 nfc on server end :) Jul 11 21:08:40 trying to connect ppp over ssh to a remote device Jul 11 21:08:49 do ssh over ppp Jul 11 21:08:53 *way* easier Jul 11 21:08:55 :) Jul 11 21:09:04 kerio: I couldn't get PPP to work earlier Jul 11 21:09:09 ppp over ssh over ppp! Jul 11 21:09:09 but that was before I fixed the MTU issue Jul 11 21:09:15 and then ssh and ppp a couple more times Jul 11 21:09:17 kerio: don't have easy control of ppp on the other side Jul 11 21:09:22 (when I was uploading a lot, downloading a lot pushed the packet size too far) Jul 11 21:09:51 there's a client command to run a ppp end Jul 11 21:10:05 if I were going to use it, I'd set it up on my router spawning PPPd on LAN bridge :) Jul 11 21:10:11 yeah Jul 11 21:10:16 I think it was the MTU issue that broke PP Jul 11 21:10:17 PPP Jul 11 21:10:37 my carro Jul 11 21:10:37 is it openvpn too easy to use? Jul 11 21:11:07 my carrier sent an email excusing for him messing up the MTU recently Jul 11 21:11:45 so it wasn't my machine, which was happy ever before with MTU 1500 Jul 11 21:11:53 GAN900: I'm done. Everything's basically fleshed out. I CBA to go on a news hunt; but feel free :-) Jul 11 21:13:58 nextime: OpenVPN requires data service Jul 11 21:14:22 luke-jr : and doing ppp over ssh doesn't? Jul 11 21:14:34 nextime: doing PPP over my-script doesn't. Jul 11 21:15:21 luke-jr : what your script do? Jul 11 21:15:29 nextime: tunnels a stream over DNS Jul 11 21:15:46 luke-jr : ah, ok Jul 11 21:16:33 i was using iodine as dns tunnel long time ago Jul 11 21:16:41 Jaffa, will do. Jul 11 21:16:46 no more need for luck Jul 11 21:16:55 Jaffa, at the end of a very stressful Rays game here. Jul 11 21:18:42 Whew, thank goodness that's over. Jul 11 21:19:40 * nextime goes back to fight with pic18 assembly Jul 11 21:23:37 gah, wish I learned about iodine earlier Jul 11 21:26:30 iodine? Jul 11 21:26:38 kerio: basicalyl what my script does Jul 11 21:26:39 but better Jul 11 21:26:43 assuming T-Mobile doesn't filter it Jul 11 21:27:03 oh, not the halogen Jul 11 21:28:15 what's the best way to measure disk io in debian? Jul 11 21:28:44 iotop? Jul 11 21:29:00 there's an iotop? :) Jul 11 21:29:21 N900's stock kernel lacks the config it requires Jul 11 21:29:30 http://guichaz.free.fr/iotop/ Jul 11 21:32:34 http://v6sa.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/transifex-mobile-in-maemo-extras/ Jul 11 21:33:48 \ 9991\ mace\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ 0.21\ M/s\ \ \ \ 0.37\ M/s\ \ 0.00\ \%\ 13.21\ \%\ rtorrent\ \ \ \ Jul 11 21:33:53 wtf Jul 11 21:34:02 9991 mace 0.21 M/s 0.37 M/s 0.00 % 13.21 % rtorrent Jul 11 21:34:18 hah! osx has escaped text in term? :) Jul 11 22:14:11 My N900's slide keeps drifting south Jul 11 22:19:05 hello Jul 11 22:19:57 can i do some questions about n900 and maemo ? Jul 11 22:20:52 luke-jr: there is a single connection dns tunnel which performs better than iodyne .. when you get your vpn tunneled thats all you need Jul 11 22:22:14 ok, some stupid questions: can i use the n900 in vertical mode witout problem ? the last firmware contains optimizations for vertical mode ? Jul 11 22:23:17 only for some applications and of course slideout keyboard makes no sense vertically Jul 11 22:24:43 cehteh: link Jul 11 22:24:57 dunno i think its called 'dnstunnel' Jul 11 22:25:10 ok Jul 11 22:25:13 thank you Jul 11 22:25:26 a friend told me after i installed iodine, but i didnt set that up yet Jul 11 22:25:58 btw you want a short domainname to optimize dns tunneling :) Jul 11 22:26:14 and you dont want to look at the inner workings (waargs :)) Jul 11 22:28:08 cehteh: looks basically like what I wrote Jul 11 22:28:55 i dont know what you wrote, but someone told me that this dnstunnel has much better performance than iodine (and nstx) Jul 11 22:29:14 but you prolly need a openvpn or ssh tunnel over it anyways Jul 11 22:29:22 it's called OzymanDNS FWIW Jul 11 22:30:23 cehteh: and T-Mobile would block it Jul 11 22:30:25 since it uses TXT records Jul 11 22:30:56 no fallback to name queries? Jul 11 22:31:18 didn't read the code, just the site :) Jul 11 22:31:38 iodine says it uses NULL records, which I dont' know anything about and haven't tested Jul 11 22:31:41 dns2tcp - TCP over DNS tunnel client and server Jul 11 22:31:45 my script uses AAAA records Jul 11 22:31:52 thats it, not ozymandns Jul 11 22:33:13 http://www.hsc.fr/ressources/outils/dns2tcp/download/README Jul 11 23:25:38 olol Jul 11 23:25:50 T-Mobile allows *all* port 53 UDP without data svc... Jul 11 23:26:03 screw DNS, just run OpenVPN on port 53.. Jul 11 23:28:00 moo Jul 11 23:29:49 or not Jul 11 23:31:22 Is there not a data usage cost without a data plan - that they're just not enforcing? Jul 11 23:31:59 SpeedEvil: well, I'm testing without any form of service, so... Jul 11 23:33:22 SpeedEvil: t-mobile charges $1/day for data on pay-go and I presume luke-jr can't afford or ojbects to the charging for internet Jul 11 23:33:49 asj: nah, I'm just playing before I get service and it's too easy Jul 12 00:21:19 #NITUbuntu for anyone interested in ubuntu on the N900 Jul 12 00:29:43 Come back when you can do slackware. Jul 12 00:34:35 hehe Jul 12 00:35:49 pft. Haiku! Jul 12 00:38:47 hey maemo Jul 12 00:39:04 hows palestine mortini Jul 12 00:39:13 MohammadAG51: Jul 12 00:39:43 pupnik_: eh? Jul 12 00:39:46 perfectly relevant Jul 12 00:39:58 property rights Jul 12 00:40:27 assume MohammadAG51 creates a great program Jul 12 00:40:43 is the israeli government entitled to steal it and make it their own? Jul 12 00:40:57 ... Jul 12 00:41:16 no of course they are not Jul 12 00:41:28 programs aren't property Jul 12 00:41:33 and the israeli government isn't entitled to steal property from palestinians Jul 12 00:41:48 pupnik_: there is no israeli government then :) Jul 12 00:41:49 right luke-jr Jul 12 00:41:50 lolwut Jul 12 00:41:55 now Jul 12 00:41:57 what does the government have to do with... Jul 12 00:42:01 nvm Jul 12 00:42:25 MohammadAG51: trolling, perhaps? idk. Jul 12 00:42:30 should the US fbi SHUT DOWN all investigations of israeli spies? Jul 12 00:42:43 your opinion MohammadAG51 ? Jul 12 00:42:46 why not just lynch them on sight? Jul 12 00:42:46 oh wait Jul 12 00:42:58 my opinion is... Jul 12 00:43:01 wtf Jul 12 00:43:04 MohammadAG51: irrelevant Jul 12 00:43:06 :) Jul 12 00:43:16 should israeli realaudio insert trojans into all our computers? Jul 12 00:43:19 i can see that Jul 12 00:43:32 should israeli intel CHIPSETS insert trojans into all our computers? Jul 12 00:43:41 should israelis monitor the white house? Jul 12 00:43:42 * MohammadAG51 passes the sleeping pills to pupnik_ Jul 12 00:44:11 free software is the enemy of governments MohammadAG51 Jul 12 00:44:15 this is our domain Jul 12 00:44:18 this is maemo Jul 12 00:44:18 no Jul 12 00:44:23 pupnik_ is the enemy of governments Jul 12 00:44:24 :) Jul 12 00:44:34 think, luke-jr Jul 12 00:44:51 should assholes spy on you luke-jr ? Jul 12 00:44:51 I'll think about it, pupnik_... Jul 12 00:45:04 isn't that what we are about? Jul 12 00:45:05 pupnik_: no, those don't have any senses to spy with Jul 12 00:45:14 eyes perhaps Jul 12 00:45:15 or ears Jul 12 00:45:16 preventing cock suckers from spying on our computers? Jul 12 00:45:26 so no women? Jul 12 00:45:37 you are dirt, luke-jr Jul 12 00:45:41 ignored Jul 12 00:45:50 lol Jul 12 00:46:16 * luke-jr trolls the troll Jul 12 00:46:54 can we stop with the shitty politics? Jul 12 00:46:59 no Jul 12 00:47:06 it is part of open-source MohammadAG51 Jul 12 00:47:19 freedom to decide what happens on your computer Jul 12 00:47:28 maemo isn't that open, take it to #meego Jul 12 00:47:34 LOL Jul 12 00:47:39 no this is part of our culture Jul 12 00:47:42 * MohammadAG51 laughs diabolically Jul 12 00:48:01 fuckheads get embarassed publically Jul 12 00:48:14 pupnik_: no it's not, #maemo culture revolves around complaining about Nokia Jul 12 00:48:16 right Jul 12 00:48:23 any asshole who wants to control your computer is an evil fuck Jul 12 00:48:40 who the fuck wants to control my computer Jul 12 00:48:40 there's plenty of them Jul 12 00:48:50 you're a paranoid pupnik_ :P Jul 12 00:49:03 i'm an american MohammadAG51 Jul 12 00:49:11 i have more leeway than you do Jul 12 00:49:16 is that synonymous nowadays? Jul 12 00:49:41 i'm going to die in a few years, i don't care Jul 12 00:49:47 leeway eh? *takes out a dictionary* Jul 12 00:49:56 :/ Jul 12 00:50:42 pupnik_, so how would you design a cpu subsystem that was provably clean and open Jul 12 00:51:02 lcuk: that's an old debate.. Jul 12 00:51:15 but this intel in israel shit is really bad Jul 12 00:51:37 they may really have created hardware trojans Jul 12 00:51:37 * MohammadAG51 switches pupnik_ to AMD Jul 12 00:51:44 and the history supports it Jul 12 00:51:56 uhuh Jul 12 00:52:35 hey SpeedEvil Jul 12 00:52:40 hu Jul 12 00:52:43 just talking about israeli trojans Jul 12 00:52:50 you know Jul 12 00:52:56 uss LIBERTY Jul 12 00:52:56 They make condoms? Jul 12 00:53:08 no they're stupid fuckheads Jul 12 00:53:30 but they survive on people being to shy to talk about their crime syndicate Jul 12 00:53:32 bronfman Jul 12 00:54:09 oh pupnik_ :( go lie down, i know i am Jul 12 00:54:15 open source is an enemy to this shit Jul 12 00:54:31 lcuk: transparency Jul 12 00:54:48 we are Jul 12 00:54:51 the heroes Jul 12 00:54:55 of the world Jul 12 00:56:08 check out the israeli-intel connection lcuk Jul 12 00:56:13 chipsets Jul 12 00:59:04 pupnik_, people have freedom of choice. you can use chips from different manufacturers - maemo is specifically arm at this time. if you are going to moan and be ractist please do follow MohammadAG51's advice and take it elsewhere Jul 12 00:59:22 no lcuk it's a conspiracy Jul 12 00:59:24 ... Jul 12 00:59:27 he said nothing racist Jul 12 00:59:30 sorry, but look Jul 12 00:59:36 jane harmann Jul 12 00:59:44 you are not looking Jul 12 01:00:40 freedom is absence of asshole fucktards deciding what we can type Jul 12 01:00:49 that is the very core goal of our movement Jul 12 01:01:35 and shit heads may deserve violent negation Jul 12 01:01:55 that's live lcuk Jul 12 01:02:04 some people must be stopped Jul 12 01:02:05 and this has to do with maemo... how? Jul 12 01:02:32 in innumerable ways ljp, you dear child Jul 12 01:03:16 all we do is corrupted by the shitheads in politics Jul 12 01:03:18 sure thing, giant beer Jul 12 01:06:21 you don't do anything good, unless you work for the good, lcuk Jul 12 01:06:28 i was having some trouble downloading the diablo sdk wget couldnt find the repository Jul 12 01:07:00 and these mother fuckers Jul 12 01:07:07 who kill millions in iraq Jul 12 01:07:27 if any of you shitheads supports that Jul 12 01:07:32 i'll be angry Jul 12 01:08:03 you cheerleaders of genocide Jul 12 01:08:04 otherwize im making headway in my quest to overclock the n80 Jul 12 01:08:10 toys don't matter Jul 12 01:08:41 i will be angry with you... show your support for genocide Jul 12 01:08:54 raw raw Jul 12 01:11:06 so is there anyone here interested in overclocking the n810 Jul 12 01:11:50 does anyone still own the n810 Jul 12 01:11:53 ... Jul 12 01:12:04 overclocking is just stupid in general, let alone on something old Jul 12 01:12:56 smackpotato, awesome idea! when diablo came out, the n800 got an effective overclock from old top cpu of 340mhz to 400. Jul 12 01:13:33 (i assume now every single n8x0 is out of warranty ;) Jul 12 01:13:50 wellthere is a guy that wrote some novel code that overclocked a milestone it is very interesting Jul 12 01:13:57 well why didn't you smash me in the face and steal my n810 lcuk ? Jul 12 01:14:06 cos ive got 2 of my own Jul 12 01:14:18 and yours has awesome scratches Jul 12 01:14:26 nah, caue you are a moral person Jul 12 01:14:50 that is our duty Jul 12 01:15:16 i have a 770 an n810 and a storefront display on an n 800 Jul 12 01:15:16 to be good people Jul 12 01:15:56 or at least to try Jul 12 01:20:54 the whole fucking point is to be open source Jul 12 01:20:58 you dumb asses Jul 12 01:21:26 to eliminate tyrant control over our lives Jul 12 01:21:46 if nokia wants to help, nice Jul 12 01:22:16 to overclock there are two structures that are required to be hacked one is frequency table the other is the lookup table that maps frequncys to voltage Jul 12 01:23:11 the other got them from a function that is exported by the omap kernel Jul 12 01:23:51 i'm tired of you fuckheads Jul 12 01:24:08 maemo is now a place where everyone understsnads tyranny Jul 12 01:24:10 and freedom Jul 12 01:25:04 We love you, too, pupnik_. Jul 12 01:25:32 but i think i got them from cpufreq_cpu_get and omap2_scale_voltage Jul 12 01:25:45 derf: i rspect your work. but you have some stuff to atone for Jul 12 01:26:05 you worked for the US war department Jul 12 01:26:08 so i need the sdk to check it out Jul 12 01:26:20 the genocidal idiots Jul 12 01:26:36 kkiling hundreds of thousands of people Jul 12 01:26:45 this is also relevant to maemo Jul 12 01:27:10 we must oppose mass murder Jul 12 01:27:20 while we build nice toys Jul 12 01:28:00 * ptl agrees, even if pupnik_ is using irony. Jul 12 01:28:31 I used to be altruistic but then i needed a liver so i started praying for people to die Jul 12 01:28:36 I'm pretty sure he's sincere. Jul 12 01:28:42 He's been singing this tune for 4 years. Jul 12 01:29:01 i imagin my dad had the same feeling when at war Jul 12 01:29:26 the temptation to use ammonium nitrate or vaious poisons is .. well... it's there Jul 12 01:31:43 man, the hate Jul 12 01:32:00 you guys seen 'collateral damage'? Jul 12 01:32:29 i'll fuckin ruin the happyness of this channel over that Jul 12 01:33:16 Well, I said I loved you, and you accused me of participating in genocide. Jul 12 01:33:29 vague memory derf Jul 12 01:33:42 i think you were pro -blow them to allah- Jul 12 01:33:47 Someone smack me across the chops Jul 12 01:33:59 You are very wrong. Jul 12 01:34:07 oh sorry Jul 12 01:34:27 i really suffer for this crap Jul 12 01:34:44 why ter... Jul 12 01:35:21 look, economically, the USA will not be able to produce goods Jul 12 01:35:28 they WILL become a gangster state Jul 12 01:35:36 threatening the rest of the world Jul 12 01:35:45 and that affects everything we do Jul 12 01:36:26 so base your career on that prediction Jul 12 01:36:54 dumb, stupid, idiot americans,..... with nukes Jul 12 01:39:36 ok another question is it easy to convert a make file that was to be used in a cross compiler to one that is to be used in the sdk Jul 12 01:41:30 has maemo lost all its fans to android Jul 12 01:42:26 doubt it Jul 12 01:43:55 how come the is little chatter at maemo.develop Jul 12 01:44:15 the+ there Jul 12 01:46:08 probably different timezones and all, I think most of the work are now aiming towards meego now Jul 12 01:47:32 ok ill buy a mego tablet Jul 12 01:48:12 with an a9 proccessor Jul 12 01:49:42 smackpotato: why not a iphone. Jul 12 01:50:02 there does'nt apear to be mego chanell Jul 12 01:50:39 my "tricked out" n810 beats an iphone anyday Jul 12 01:51:34 why an iphone Jul 12 01:51:59 iphail Jul 12 01:52:08 lol Jul 12 01:52:24 look at me! I have a shitty iphail! Jul 12 01:52:26 :p Jul 12 01:53:25 i like my n810 more than an ipad so much more lighter Jul 12 01:53:43 the meego tablet looks nice! Jul 12 01:54:13 is it coming out on arm or x86 Jul 12 01:54:32 I like n900, it has both phone and linux in one, too bad it isn't perfect software-wise but I can forgive that the software gives me unfettered access to its resources Jul 12 01:54:34 idk but since they are working with intel, id assume x86? Jul 12 01:54:40 ah two es in mego Jul 12 01:55:03 psycho_oreos: whats wrong with the software? Jul 12 01:55:26 its going to be x86 because intel I believe sold off their arm branch.. however meego may also be available for n900 with hacks, the prototype of meego runs on arm base Jul 12 01:55:44 ok Jul 12 01:56:34 udntnome, on the GUI side is kinda where it's a bit shoddy, like the lack of portrait mode, the lack of advanced user features like easy installing deb files without going into shell/terminal, the onscreen keyboard is a bit too big, etc Jul 12 01:57:16 I d rather have my n810 than an apple air Jul 12 01:57:34 and n900 is equipped with a puny battery, smaller than its predecessors Jul 12 01:58:02 is it wow what made them do that Jul 12 01:58:06 I'd rather a proper linux device compared to any iphail Jul 12 01:59:04 the battery i can agree with Jul 12 02:00:00 udntnome, apart from that I'm not really hating n900, overall its a nice hardware and software is mostly ok, what's best of all is that its not like android where its not easy to get into root without hacks.. along with dualbooting (supposedly I've heard nexus one is the only phone that has unlocked bootloader) Jul 12 02:00:57 considering the ad galore on the iphone/andriod apps, there is nothing else thats really better Jul 12 02:01:39 heck no, I would never want a phone that would tell me what to do and what not to do.. I've been there and done that with shitian, I mean symbian.. never again Jul 12 02:01:43 spam spam spam spam Jul 12 02:04:16 * GeneralAntilles tries not to editorialize too much. Jul 12 02:04:31 plus i dislike ATT! Jul 12 02:05:10 ATT? you meant AT&T? ahh I don't live in the stateside so I wouldn't know :) Jul 12 02:05:44 i live across the stream as well Jul 12 02:07:06 smackpotato, re: question you asked in #meego - Diablo as in Maemo, or Diablo as in the game? Jul 12 02:07:21 the os Jul 12 02:07:46 diablo is like maemo 4.1 I think.. its for N810? *shrugs* Jul 12 02:07:46 maemo Jul 12 02:08:07 smackpotato, right, I've got it on my n810, nostalgic fan isn't the word I would use, but its there. Why did you want to know if there was any fans of it? :P Jul 12 02:09:11 just trying to follow an overclocking site and wondering if there was any interest Jul 12 02:09:52 in overclocking the n8x0? Jul 12 02:10:02 ya Jul 12 02:10:58 the site is on the milestone its milestone-overclock on google code Jul 12 02:11:02 I think someone tried it in the past, and anything past what was already there didn't work Jul 12 02:11:41 but this guy has a novel aproch Jul 12 02:11:49 The Milestone is a whole different beast to the n8x0. The Milestone uses OMAP3430, the same as the n900. The N8x0 is OMAP2..something (can't remember exact model) Jul 12 02:13:09 right so the main problem is he gets some adresses from a function that isnt exported in diablo Jul 12 02:13:54 there are two structures that have to be hacked Jul 12 02:14:37 i think we can get the adresses fom different functions Jul 12 02:15:08 Any big news items that I might've missed this past week any of you would like to see included in MWKN? Jul 12 02:15:45 anyway he did it with a lkm not compiling a whole kernel Jul 12 02:17:14 not that ive ever compiled a kernel Jul 12 02:21:21 http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/ Jul 12 02:22:12 MWKN? Jul 12 02:22:33 dido Jul 12 02:22:55 MWKN.. Maemo Weekly News Jul 12 02:23:01 mwkn.net Jul 12 02:23:27 Or should I say, Maemo Wee Kly News Jul 12 02:23:32 news for me is, meego apps still don't work :( Jul 12 02:24:02 M(eeGo)aemo these days. Jul 12 02:28:41 oh lolltards Jul 12 02:28:49 GeneralAntilles: they followed the hijackers Jul 12 02:29:01 they knew it was going to happen Jul 12 02:29:18 they were enablers, GeneralAntilles Jul 12 02:29:24 pupnik_, context? Jul 12 02:29:29 9/11 Jul 12 02:29:34 mossad made it happen Jul 12 02:29:47 Here we go, 9/11 theories. Jul 12 02:29:56 loltards Jul 12 02:30:00 i have researched it Jul 12 02:30:08 GeneralAntilles: he's been ranting and raving all morning about politics, just trolling Jul 12 02:30:19 GeneralAntilles, you know what I smell? Jul 12 02:30:30 i am pupnik, i draw the threads together Jul 12 02:30:35 GeneralAntilles, can you smell it too? Jul 12 02:30:47 pupnik_, go sleep it off. :P Jul 12 02:30:53 don't be stupid Jul 12 02:31:14 it is so funny Jul 12 02:31:18 i want people to lol Jul 12 02:32:36 look at other things Jul 12 02:32:36 Will the real pupnik please stand up, please stand up? Jul 12 02:32:52 Termana: why do we support free software Jul 12 02:33:01 so some shithead doesn't own our information Jul 12 02:34:00 that is the point of linux Jul 12 02:34:05 that is the point of foss Jul 12 02:34:13 that is the point of meamo Jul 12 02:34:29 pupnik_, Maybe if you made you point, I don't see whats funny yet Jul 12 02:34:33 your point* Jul 12 02:34:42 nothing funny, cock-sucker Jul 12 02:34:58 Where is Maemo making it so someone owns out information? Jul 12 02:35:03 our* Jul 12 02:35:25 go be gay elsewhere Jul 12 02:35:49 nice pooper action is to be had elsewhere Jul 12 02:36:04 pupnik_, dude, lay off. Jul 12 02:36:09 Yes, that is certainly how you discuss topics in a mature manner. Jul 12 02:36:25 freedom is important Jul 12 02:36:38 but i should stop with the insultsw Jul 12 02:37:00 Jane harman Jul 12 02:37:06 google that cunt Jul 12 02:38:24 look GeneralAntilles dumbass Jul 12 02:38:31 how do you focus on toys Jul 12 02:38:40 when some fucktards start a nuclear war Jul 12 02:38:48 Sssh, I'm finishing editorializing the news. Jul 12 02:39:01 when the nukes fly Jul 12 02:39:06 Radioactive zombies? I'm in. :P Jul 12 02:39:11 i'll fuckin punch your face Jul 12 02:39:23 cause of your dumbassistan Jul 12 02:39:46 OK, can we go bar hopping after? Jul 12 02:40:27 all this politics crap screws our good work Jul 12 02:40:55 we have to all oppose it Jul 12 02:41:24 it DIRECTLY affects maemo and meego Jul 12 02:41:39 what those SHITHEADS do in Washingon D C Jul 12 02:41:59 they are idiots Jul 12 02:42:03 they are stupid Jul 12 02:42:06 they are evil Jul 12 02:42:18 don't have to convince me. Jul 12 02:43:06 well ok Jul 12 02:43:16 we're al on the same page then Jul 12 02:43:18 he's STILL trolling? Jul 12 02:44:08 ask til harbaum what he thinks Jul 12 02:44:20 http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Disassembly Jul 12 02:44:53 see "collateral muder" from wikileaks Jul 12 02:48:38 free software is inherently opposed to the empire Jul 12 02:49:02 pupnik. While many of us don't in principle disagree with this - it's perhaps not the ideal venue. Jul 12 02:49:21 isn't it? Jul 12 02:50:40 the whole fucking point is to be able to communicate Jul 12 02:50:52 without control Jul 12 02:51:58 get it? Jul 12 02:52:15 pupnik_, that's why we have different channels. Each with their own topic. Jul 12 02:52:20 I fundamentally disagree. Jul 12 02:52:24 #maemo's isn't currently politics. :P Jul 12 02:52:54 Many useful discussion forums (not the internet sort) have been utterly destroyed by excessive off-topic content. Jul 12 02:52:54 http://www.me.uk/2010-07-09T12:54:01.mp3 Jul 12 02:53:36 it would be so nice if we could ignore poitifs Jul 12 02:53:41 but we can not Jul 12 02:54:27 If just one person is going on about it in a channel, we can quite easily. Jul 12 02:54:31 and every one of you who supports monopoly control over anything Jul 12 02:54:37 well, you're shit Jul 12 02:54:57 pupnik_: who, exactly, are you talking to? Jul 12 02:55:05 microlith: himself. Jul 12 02:55:09 people who support their state Jul 12 02:55:16 ah Jul 12 02:55:21 pupnik_: I know, anarchy is where it's at Jul 12 02:55:24 aloha Jul 12 02:55:37 I support Iowa - The Tall Corn State! Jul 12 02:55:38 Monopoly control sometimes works. Jul 12 02:55:40 oh you missed the iraq WMD discussion Jul 12 02:55:51 Hey DocScrutinizer Jul 12 02:55:53 I did? I figured that was over and done with years ago/ Jul 12 02:55:54 the killing of 2 million people Jul 12 02:56:10 * GAN900 is done with mwkn and heading towards bed. Jul 12 02:56:13 For example, for radio spectrum, there is a strong argument for one control authority over fairly extended areas. Jul 12 02:56:23 * GAN900 hands the official #maemo Taser to DocScrutinizer. Jul 12 02:56:25 Ken-Young: oh come on, there's only so much basketball one can take ;) Jul 12 02:56:32 Good night GAN900 Jul 12 02:56:43 there's no argument for killing al countries surrounding israel Jul 12 02:56:44 night GAN900 Jul 12 02:56:52 pupnik_: Sure there is. Jul 12 02:56:53 those people are insane Jul 12 02:56:54 asj, We have the Butter Cow too! Jul 12 02:56:59 Doesn't mean it's a good one. Jul 12 02:57:02 nah, only a short insomnia phase that's hopefully over in 5 min Jul 12 02:57:15 pupnik_: additionally, why rant in here? Jul 12 02:57:16 Ken-Young: I thought that was Wisconsin... Jul 12 02:57:32 asj, Nope! It's our State Fair. Jul 12 02:57:33 Well then. Jul 12 02:57:33 Ken-Young: I only know 1 think, happy cows from california ;) Jul 12 02:57:38 because they are dedicated to trojaning your computer microlith Jul 12 02:57:38 * GAN900 declares anarchy. Jul 12 02:57:48 is pupnik_ drunk or something? Jul 12 02:57:56 * DocScrutinizer declares +m Jul 12 02:58:13 microlith: yes, or high or borth Jul 12 02:59:12 it affects maemo Jul 12 02:59:41 bastards trojaning the planet **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 12 02:59:57 2010