**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 14 02:59:56 2010 Jul 14 03:09:48 :( qole was actually here Jul 14 04:11:12 hm Jul 14 04:11:14 hi Jul 14 04:11:23 Hi Jul 14 04:16:06 ohai Jul 14 04:16:13 mrducks. Jul 14 04:38:28 blah Jul 14 04:39:51 werd Jul 14 04:58:41 http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=1134 - why does this kinda remind me of how maemo.org relations with nokia are? Jul 14 05:00:08 new DtG still sucks :-( (yet better than free replacements) Jul 14 05:01:03 what's "DtG"? Jul 14 05:03:03 documents to go Jul 14 05:05:14 Stskeeps: It is normal. A corporation does not care, it does not have to. Jul 14 05:05:54 Stskeeps: Not that it completely ignores these groups, but they are just below mailroom staffing at its radar. Jul 14 05:05:55 well, i'm also talking about the use of communities to claim open development while in fact, 99% is being done by the company itself behind closed doors ;) Jul 14 05:06:16 and that maemo.org had no control, whatsoever, over the product :P Jul 14 05:06:32 Stskeeps: You do not even need a community for that. Do you know, for example, that the Flash Player is open source? Jul 14 05:06:49 RST38h: i think i knew that, it's just difficult to get to :P Jul 14 05:07:01 Stskeeps: s/difficult/impossible Jul 14 05:07:15 Stskeeps: but still "open source" :) Jul 14 05:07:24 kinda like LiMo.. Jul 14 05:07:25 :P Jul 14 05:07:38 "pay several millions to make your eyes bleed" Jul 14 05:07:41 But at least nobody needs LiMo Jul 14 05:08:27 RST38h: flash player is opensource? WTF!? Jul 14 05:08:55 arachnist: Adobe claimed at some point that it was open source and everybody could file a form to request access to it Jul 14 05:09:19 arachnist: Apparently, they ignored these applications though Jul 14 05:09:52 why does that not surprise me? Jul 14 05:10:22 why did they? is it infected with GPL "virus"? Jul 14 05:11:17 No idea. Some junior enema in the PR department decided that it would be "beneficial" Jul 14 05:12:01 Stskeeps: On the other hand, I do not see much progress even on the parts of maemo5 that have been open sourced Jul 14 05:12:35 Stskeeps: The "progress" in my view would be a third party repository where you could get bugfixed versions of those open sourced packages Jul 14 05:12:44 RST38h: like, cooperation and contributions back? :P Jul 14 05:12:55 Stskeeps: So far, I only saw really minor fixes to Modest Jul 14 05:13:06 Stskeeps: Contributions back would be the best Jul 14 05:13:09 mm Jul 14 05:13:21 maemo.org is a developer community, not a systems community Jul 14 05:13:23 Stskeeps: But even a "fuck the corpses" movement with its own repo would do Jul 14 05:13:34 at least with meego it's supposed to be a system community Jul 14 05:13:58 Stskeeps: ...which effectively shrinks the size of Meego community to nil. Jul 14 05:14:15 Stskeeps: Another winning decision from our corporate overlords :) Jul 14 05:14:33 we'll see Jul 14 05:14:40 Stskeeps: But, returning to Maemo, a lot of these packages are not system Jul 14 05:14:56 Stskeeps: Modest is not a system package. Neither is Hildon Desktop, to be frank Jul 14 05:15:04 they're considered as such though Jul 14 05:15:06 Stskeeps: XTerm is not a system package Jul 14 05:15:12 is it possible to do adhoc wifi using n900 + n800? :) Jul 14 05:15:22 Stskeeps: They are manufacturer's packages, but not really system. Jul 14 05:15:37 mm Jul 14 05:15:48 * Stskeeps goes to get another birthday morning cup of coffee Jul 14 05:16:03 Stskeeps: happy birthday Jul 14 05:16:21 Stskeeps: BTW, how many third party system developer contribute to Meego right now? Jul 14 05:16:27 Stskeeps: happy morning! Jul 14 05:16:34 * ljp drinks another unbirthday afternoon cup of coffee Jul 14 05:16:40 happy birthday mourning indeed Jul 14 05:16:50 * arachnist drinks another bottle of cherry coke Jul 14 05:16:56 RST38h: technically novell counts ;) but the ability is there for anyone to contribute now Jul 14 05:17:17 participation is different though Jul 14 05:17:23 Stskeeps: Ability != Fact Jul 14 05:17:32 * slonopotamus tries to put bits for open initfs for n8x0 together Jul 14 05:17:53 slonopotamus: we're running into a weird issue with fb_text2screen on gcc4.5, want a log? Jul 14 05:18:05 Stskeeps: Or, using Intel's language, the progress has to be judged by actual results, not by the possibilities of results Jul 14 05:18:18 Stskeeps: wow. you're actually using it? :) Jul 14 05:18:27 RST38h, "So i have the right to.." "Yes, you do have" "..and I can.." "No, you cannot" (c) Jul 14 05:18:39 Stskeeps: yep, i only have 4.4 here yet Jul 14 05:18:54 slonopotamus: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/fb_text2screen-0.1.1-3.3.armv7l.rpm Jul 14 05:19:23 Stskeeps: link looks like rpm, not log :) Jul 14 05:19:31 slonopotamus: yeah, i just wanted to show you where it's used Jul 14 05:19:57 hehe Jul 14 05:20:13 so... i happen to be a contributor to meego? :D Jul 14 05:20:17 seems so Jul 14 05:20:28 just lol :) Jul 14 05:20:39 ok, it might actually be a bug in our patches for it, hm Jul 14 05:20:40 Stskeeps: now, log Jul 14 05:20:41 Arkenoi: Actually, "Catch 22" is almost a required reading to understand how world works ;) Jul 14 05:20:49 Stskeeps: patches? Jul 14 05:20:49 Arkenoi: corporate world, that is ;) Jul 14 05:20:55 hm Jul 14 05:22:32 yeah, it's most definite our fault :) Jul 14 05:22:58 http://pastebin.com/bmGhHxSW is our patch Jul 14 05:23:00 Stskeeps: this? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_fb_text2screen/blobs/master/fb_text2screen-0.1.1-meego-kernel-compat.patch Jul 14 05:23:08 ah, yes Jul 14 05:23:15 hm Jul 14 05:23:29 there is no cut/paste in the email app? Jul 14 05:23:34 or copy? Jul 14 05:23:38 hmm Jul 14 05:23:38 Macer: because the designers were on crack, it seems Jul 14 05:23:45 or am i missing something? Jul 14 05:23:48 :) Jul 14 05:23:51 Stskeeps: you don't want to edit CMakeFile that way Jul 14 05:24:07 Stskeeps: it was made flexible enough already Jul 14 05:24:19 mm? Jul 14 05:24:28 like i have to spell nokia out with my finger then triple tap and do circles? Jul 14 05:24:28 Stskeeps: you just pass vars with -D to ccmake Jul 14 05:24:50 Stskeeps: just make meego good Jul 14 05:24:53 ;) Jul 14 05:25:11 is meego going to have all the gnu userland stuff like maemo? Jul 14 05:25:30 Macer: to cast this spell, hold SHIFT Jul 14 05:25:38 then tap and select the text you wish to copy Jul 14 05:25:46 (requires pr1.2) Jul 14 05:25:59 it isnt going to get androidized and have the linux end do nothing but the hcl is it? Jul 14 05:26:17 Stskeeps: okay? :) Jul 14 05:26:17 timeless_mbp: ah ok thanks Jul 14 05:26:27 Stskeeps: wtf are you doing with 4.5? XD Jul 14 05:26:40 Macer: the copy spell is of course performed by using CTRL+c :) Jul 14 05:26:47 the meego vids look good Jul 14 05:26:54 slonopotamus: will take to heart, noting down :) Jul 14 05:26:55 like it isnt going to suck :) Jul 14 05:27:05 askiramchi Jul 14 05:27:18 and it does portrait mode! wooo! Jul 14 05:27:20 * RST38h would wait for the first device Jul 14 05:27:36 RST38h: i want it on my n900 =) Jul 14 05:27:38 ? Jul 14 05:27:57 there is a closed nokia image Jul 14 05:28:02 which is good :) Jul 14 05:28:06 sure? Jul 14 05:28:09 actually not one with handset ux Jul 14 05:28:10 (yet) Jul 14 05:28:15 until we fix the f*king wlan issue Jul 14 05:28:22 heh Jul 14 05:28:28 ~curse connman Jul 14 05:28:29 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, connman ! Jul 14 05:28:32 ask nokia for closed bins Jul 14 05:28:44 :) Jul 14 05:28:49 nokia's involved Jul 14 05:29:03 Stskeeps: what about cellmo and the battery management? Jul 14 05:29:04 as well as paying for a team to get meego on n900 Jul 14 05:29:12 Stskeeps: and maybe i should do some platform checks for omapfb.h Jul 14 05:29:14 yeah. i figured since they have the closed image on the meego site Jul 14 05:29:18 that is promising Jul 14 05:29:35 no offense.. but i could care less if drivers are open or not heh Jul 14 05:29:48 us ignorant end users jusrt want it to work :) Jul 14 05:30:07 wow they are Jul 14 05:30:16 go nokia! my faith is restored Jul 14 05:30:21 Stskeeps: so... how you managed to break it? :) wrong header? Jul 14 05:30:23 RST38h: bme works now, cellmo access is slowly getting there (kernel patches upstreamed, ofono plugin, speech path, pulseaudio plugins, telepathy-ring) Jul 14 05:30:31 slonopotamus: think the kernel sources moved Jul 14 05:30:45 RST38h: all of the latter being open source Jul 14 05:31:34 Stskeeps: btw, what's n900_libdsme and why its repo is empty? Jul 14 05:31:36 Stskeeps: if you turn meego into something it will be way more worthwhile than maemo ;) Jul 14 05:31:58 slonopotamus: libdsme got included into trunk in general so someone else took it over, i'll probably delete repo eventually Jul 14 05:32:48 Stskeeps: its something from dsme opensourced code? Jul 14 05:32:55 slonopotamus: yes, both are open sourced components Jul 14 05:34:50 Stskeeps: you're *sure* Maemo5 doesn't require DSP? Jul 14 05:35:13 how is ti or nokia handling the gles support Stskeeps ? Jul 14 05:35:25 are they being anal again like the n8x0? Jul 14 05:35:31 Macer: closed blob, provided in a repository accessible with a n900 IMEI Jul 14 05:35:42 awesome Jul 14 05:35:45 Stskeeps: Yahoo! Jul 14 05:35:51 so it is just a driver download/install? Jul 14 05:36:01 Macer: or grab our pre-made image, or the .ks to make one Jul 14 05:36:09 * RST38h starts seriously considering porting stuff to Meego Jul 14 05:36:21 that... is... awesome :) Jul 14 05:36:23 yahoo to which part? :P Jul 14 05:36:35 Stskeeps: to bme and cellmo getting there Jul 14 05:36:42 Stskeeps: how much space would I need to partition for MeeGo? :p Jul 14 05:36:48 RST38h: do it ;) it wont suck Jul 14 05:37:05 ah, bme will still be closed, but cellmo stuff is opening (until DocScrutinizer and co decides to package up theirs and subject it to QA) Jul 14 05:37:31 bme will be closed but downloadable by that repo i mentioned before Jul 14 05:37:31 :P Jul 14 05:38:14 Stskeeps: im sold. glad nokia isnt trying to abandon the n900 Jul 14 05:38:29 time to jump onto the meego bandwagon and cheerlead Jul 14 05:38:58 please, no skirts or ponpoms Jul 14 05:39:08 i was bitter when i thought my n900 was going to find a place in a drawer next to my n810 Jul 14 05:39:11 I want gold speedos Jul 14 05:39:15 collecting dust Jul 14 05:39:37 asj: with the meego cartoon looking mascot things on the front? Jul 14 05:39:50 :) Jul 14 05:39:59 and a pic of an n900 on the ass? Jul 14 05:40:06 Macer: that was for ljp, inside joke Jul 14 05:40:25 what happens in vegas... Jul 14 05:40:32 thank god stays there Jul 14 05:40:55 haha Jul 14 05:40:57 * slonopotamus carries both n800 and n900 with him. n800 is much superior for development due to longer battery life Jul 14 05:41:18 you think it lasts that much longer? Jul 14 05:41:23 (and my 8gb sd card is too big to fit n900 :) Jul 14 05:41:26 it has different use cases Jul 14 05:41:28 n900 can hold its own batterywise Jul 14 05:41:30 you dont want to know all the devices on my shelves that are gathering dust Jul 14 05:41:32 Stskeeps: minor 'bug' in Maemo that would be handy fixed... dnsmasq caches lookups across networks ;) Jul 14 05:41:33 Macer: i know that. Jul 14 05:41:44 luke-jr: i think we have a whole new set of bugs with connman Jul 14 05:41:45 :P Jul 14 05:42:10 wait, M5 didn't have connman? Jul 14 05:42:13 slonopotamus: ;) Jul 14 05:42:24 no, it has icd2 Jul 14 05:42:47 which at the moment, i miss Jul 14 05:42:47 :P Jul 14 05:45:46 icd2 has bugs, but i think most of the bugs it has are missing features Jul 14 05:45:57 at least it works Jul 14 05:45:58 :P Jul 14 05:46:00 which are also missing from the competition Jul 14 05:46:05 [00:34:49] Stskeeps: you're *sure* Maemo5 doesn't require DSP? Jul 14 05:46:16 luke-jr: i'm not sure if a failed dsp startup will block statrtup Jul 14 05:46:26 just use the same toolchain 1.2 was built with Jul 14 05:46:32 All right. Time to go. Jul 14 05:47:29 Stskeeps: I don't have that Jul 14 05:47:45 Stskeeps: #include Jul 14 05:47:45 Stskeeps: I'm asking because after hackishly fixing those compile errors, I managed to boot it... Jul 14 05:47:45 Stskeeps: is it still in kernel sources or now in /usr/include? Jul 14 05:47:56 Stskeeps: so wondering if that's related, or if my config is odd Jul 14 05:48:01 slonopotamus: good question Jul 14 05:48:15 slonopotamus: /usr/include/linux comes from kernel sources Jul 14 05:49:42 Stskeeps: btw, is there a reason NITs scan every X minutes, rather than just sitting in monitor mode? :p Jul 14 05:49:52 luke-jr: power saving? Jul 14 05:49:52 :P Jul 14 05:49:54 i c Jul 14 05:50:06 good reason I guess Jul 14 05:50:10 luke-jr: not all kernel headers are accessible via /usr/include/linux Jul 14 05:50:10 Stskeeps: then you don't need that crap with LINUX_SRC_DIR at all Jul 14 05:50:18 Stskeeps: now figure out how i conditionally handle that :) Jul 14 05:56:47 oh crap. Jul 14 05:57:08 remember when I complained about adobe's flash last night? I installed gnash instead of it in hope it would be better? Jul 14 05:57:20 how could you think that was better? :P Jul 14 05:57:52 Stskeeps: 64-bit build of gnash might put less stress on CPU than running the 32-bit through nspluginwrapper... Jul 14 05:57:55 well. Jul 14 05:57:55 it didn't. Jul 14 05:58:02 loads were >23.4 Jul 14 05:58:25 surprisingly I managed to kill my browser before the whole computer went down Jul 14 05:59:02 ~curse Adobe Flash Jul 14 05:59:03 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Adobe Flash ! Jul 14 06:00:03 as you were... Jul 14 06:00:12 Myrtti: I just don't use Flash :) Jul 14 06:04:57 have to take my son for a blood test friday Jul 14 06:05:10 he handled his shots a couple weeks ago like a champ Jul 14 06:05:21 but a blood test is a long dragged out one Jul 14 06:25:26 lcuk: I think I has a job! Jul 14 06:26:35 close Jul 14 06:26:46 moo Jul 14 06:30:16 got another 'nice' new problem on PR1.2: transitions freeze halfway. Jul 14 06:31:05 weird thing is I never encountered this until I inserted a working SIM yesterday Jul 14 06:31:34 ok, I also installed 2 or 3 new apps Jul 14 06:32:51 but those were not started for all I can tell (though I'm not sure about that camera app) Jul 14 06:35:09 8830 seems actually fixable with the easter egg (even though I had to create that file, it didn't exist on my device) Jul 14 06:35:24 MohammadAG51: did you notice that just as the neopwn website was going to demo the new backtrack version, they're down? Jul 14 06:35:54 demo and release,that is Jul 14 06:36:59 crashanddie: they're coming to get you too :-P Jul 14 06:37:28 crashanddie: hear the helis approaching Jul 14 06:39:01 h-e-n project bought out all their devels X-P Jul 14 06:39:05 * Arkenoi does not like upstream bugs submit policy at all. It would be much more reasonable to keep them cloned at bmo and to have package maintaners to deal with the upstream. Otherwise it is too long cycle, too messy to diagnose and forces the bug reporter to create accounts in all upstream trackers. Jul 14 06:40:04 duh, the last part really sounds insane Jul 14 06:40:56 I reported a bug in ICQ conversations plugin and it was closed with notice i should report it to freedesktop bugzilla Jul 14 06:41:10 wankers Jul 14 06:41:36 and even if i do and it gets fixed, it takes almost forever to get updated version back downstream Jul 14 06:41:44 yep Jul 14 06:42:32 and odds are freedesktop sends you back to the maintainer of your particular version anyway, with a 'can't duplicate' Jul 14 06:42:46 yep Jul 14 06:45:05 Arkenoi: which bmo is this? Jul 14 06:46:27 not user needs account on all upstream trackers, but Mr Upstream is usually supposed to have an eye and account on all maintainers' trackers. And maintainers' most noble duty is to inform original author/upstream about bugs that hit their local tracker Jul 14 06:47:29 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10865 Jul 14 06:47:30 Bug 10865: ICQ advanced settings are being spontaneously reset Jul 14 06:48:49 hell, usually a maintainer is even supposed to send *patches* upstream, not users ;-P Jul 14 06:48:57 Good morning folks. Jul 14 06:49:02 moo Jul 14 06:49:22 PR1.2's modules dir totals 3.3 MB Jul 14 06:49:31 yet when I build the same code+config, I get 42.4 MB Jul 14 06:49:33 in this case, the maintainer is not living in this bug tracker Jul 14 06:49:33 wtf :? Jul 14 06:49:40 Does someone know if there's some more "polite" way to reload hildon-home than just doing killall hildon-home? Jul 14 06:49:44 strip * Jul 14 06:49:56 DocScrutinizer: strip doesn't understand .ko Jul 14 06:50:17 I know it's somehow possible because the built-in theme changing does that. I just don't know how to trigger it from terminal. Jul 14 06:50:29 mhm, so there's a make/compiler/linker option to do that for you, isn't there? Jul 14 06:50:48 DocScrutinizer: as I said, I'm using the Nokia-provided config Jul 14 06:50:57 luke-jr: working on meego stuff? Jul 14 06:51:00 no Jul 14 06:51:07 fail Jul 14 06:51:23 luke-jr: so file a bug against that config. It's evidently not the original one Jul 14 06:51:37 Macer: Gentoo ofc Jul 14 06:51:49 mega fail Jul 14 06:51:51 hehehe Jul 14 06:52:14 ~gentoo luke-jr Jul 14 06:52:15 * infobot recompiles luke-jr again Jul 14 06:52:16 make meetoo :_P Jul 14 06:55:00 anyone familiar with big trail bikes? I'm looking for info regarding 1000cc+ trails that could be used to drive around Europe (France, Spain, Portugal, ferry up to Norway, Sweden, then back) and later, to India. I'm quite interested in the Honda Varadero 1000, or the BMW R 1200 GS Adventure. Jul 14 06:58:14 The BMW has a quite a bit more oomph, and a bigger fuel capacity, but also nearly 5 grand more expensive Jul 14 06:58:40 doh Jul 14 06:58:48 of course amd64 strip won't work on arm .ko Jul 14 06:58:55 hmmm, maybe just a lil bitsy OT Jul 14 06:59:06 DocScrutinizer: yeah yeah, but hey Jul 14 06:59:12 DocScrutinizer: there's no ##motorbikes channel :) Jul 14 06:59:14 just saying Jul 14 06:59:18 crashanddie: no? Jul 14 06:59:31 duh, you'd guess there should be about 50 Jul 14 07:01:06 actually, there's only one with "bikes" in the topic, and it's spanish push bikers Jul 14 07:02:21 "push bikers"? Jul 14 07:02:32 tybollt: bicyles Jul 14 07:02:33 yep, 5 chan with bike in topic or name Jul 14 07:03:15 maybe you need another network Jul 14 07:05:42 crashanddie: google is your friend :-D http://www.google.de/search?q=IRC+channel+motorbikes&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Jul 14 07:05:58 meh Jul 14 07:06:20 http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/forum/forum-topic/1144/good-irc-channel-motorcycle-owners Jul 14 07:06:36 first hit Jul 14 07:07:04 >>On the EFnet IRC channel, join the channel #motorcycles. It's been run by the same group of guys for over 10 years now and they know their ...<< Jul 14 07:07:28 crashanddie: text me if you're in Stockholm. Beers all around. Jul 14 07:07:44 tybollt: will do ;) Jul 14 07:07:55 how about pizza Jul 14 07:11:43 well...moo, all Jul 14 07:12:06 mornin o/ Jul 14 07:12:33 heya ab Jul 14 07:12:46 hi Jul 14 07:13:38 coffe... Jul 14 07:17:27 microlith: ? Jul 14 07:17:51 what's bug 8830? Jul 14 07:17:52 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 Jul 14 07:17:59 and what's the easter egg? Jul 14 07:18:42 wasn't that USSD fixed in PR1.2 ? Jul 14 07:18:53 I can do *# stuff since 1.2 upgrade anyway. Jul 14 07:19:03 morning andre__ Jul 14 07:19:26 heja Jul 14 07:19:40 lol phone Jul 14 07:19:53 somebody actively uses the n900 as a phone eh Jul 14 07:20:19 kerio: yes :P Jul 14 07:20:32 MeeGo handset UX on Nokia N810 pictures: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=5603&postcount=49 Jul 14 07:21:15 (+ video) Jul 14 07:21:20 what's wrong with using n900 as a phone? Jul 14 07:22:18 phones are not supposed to run openoffice! Jul 14 07:22:26 :P Jul 14 07:22:29 kerio: and why the hell not Jul 14 07:22:36 SwedeMike: you instelled the "easter egg"? Jul 14 07:22:52 Stskeeps: could you make the pic any more blurry, kthxplz? Jul 14 07:23:12 DocScrutinizer: no, I just spent some time reading thru it a bit more. I don't need any of the functions (now that USSD is implemented) so I'm not going to change anything. Jul 14 07:23:18 tybollt: phone vs tablet Jul 14 07:23:36 it's a tablet! Jul 14 07:23:47 SwedeMike: USSD for you is *1xx# ? Jul 14 07:23:54 * tybollt not sure why but those silly little meego toons just give me the heebie jeebies... Jul 14 07:23:59 smart phones these days can almost run anything.. sure it seems a little odd holding onto n900 and using it as a phone when you're not used to touch screen and linux on phone but after awhile it'll wear in :P Jul 14 07:24:02 what's ussd? Jul 14 07:24:09 or also things like *#67# ? Jul 14 07:24:28 tool to check charges from your phone service provider, aka operator Jul 14 07:26:18 Unstructured Supplementary Service Data Jul 14 07:27:12 DocScrutinizer: *x*y# for loading prepaid cards for instance. Jul 14 07:27:12 kerio: a way to send arbitrary commands to your service provider, without using special proprietary menus or apps Jul 14 07:28:36 oh, *xx# codes Jul 14 07:30:16 SwedeMike: mhm. strange thing is the 2digit codes were reported not to work by several people, like MohammadAG51. And didn't work when I tested first time on PR1.2 yesterday. (like e.g. *#62#). But then after playing with "easter egg" as of 8033#c8, it seems to work now. Need to check more thoroughly today Jul 14 07:31:05 kerio: nah, it's a little bit more complex, though basically you're right Jul 14 07:31:12 DocScrutinizer: *x*y# worked for me for PR1.2 out of the box anyway. Jul 14 07:31:56 for x=3 digits yes Jul 14 07:32:09 for x=2digits nope Jul 14 07:32:35 maybe even for 100<=x<=199 Jul 14 07:32:56 as I think not even *002# worked Jul 14 07:33:30 that's amazing how much you can fuck somethin gup Jul 14 07:33:34 something up* Jul 14 07:34:14 heh Jul 14 07:34:25 without even trying! Jul 14 07:35:36 where 100<=x<=199 seems to be a good definition of USSD, as compared to more generic Service Codes Jul 14 07:36:24 X-Fade, ping ping Jul 14 07:36:37 D-Iivil_Work: here Jul 14 07:37:03 DocScrutinizer: what's wrong with arbitrary codes, i wonder? Jul 14 07:37:08 X-Fade, I'm having problems uploading to extras-devel. I get this error: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-July/025097.html Jul 14 07:37:18 isn't it anything that starts with * and maybe # Jul 14 07:37:44 X-Fade, I didn't get size mismatch error after uploading the .dsc & .tar -file. It offered me the "move to queue" normally. Jul 14 07:37:54 D-Iivil_Work: Did you try again? Jul 14 07:38:00 X-Fade, just trying. Jul 14 07:38:06 zash: whatever it is, i say just send it to the cellmo and let *him* figure it out Jul 14 07:38:32 This usually happens when uploading takes a longer time and your file date is some time in the past. Jul 14 07:38:41 X-Fade: there is one more thing that would be usefull with buildme Jul 14 07:38:46 kerio: I guess Nokia decided to "not support" them (at least officially) as they may conflict with the GUI means to configure such things like call forwarding Jul 14 07:38:58 X-Fade, okay, that might explain it. I uploaded it via 2G -connection and the uploading took like 40 mins... Jul 14 07:38:59 X-Fade: ability to log/displays errors from sbdmock Jul 14 07:39:15 X-Fade: as i had sbdmock failing while running buildme from cron Jul 14 07:39:28 X-Fade: and it was failing because missing $USER Jul 14 07:39:45 jacekowski: You can run buildme in debug mode. Jul 14 07:39:54 X-Fade, now it went ok. So it was propably because of slow uploading? Jul 14 07:40:11 DocScrutinizer: my ass! Jul 14 07:40:25 D-Iivil_Work: Yes, the problem is that scp touches the file to your file date and only updates it to the new date once upload is done. Jul 14 07:40:41 what was that program that records the phone calls? Jul 14 07:40:45 D-Iivil_Work: Uploading through the assistant doesn't have that problem. Jul 14 07:40:47 kerio, recaller Jul 14 07:40:56 X-Fade, I did upload it through assistant. Jul 14 07:41:04 X-Fade, is there another way also? :D Jul 14 07:41:08 D-Iivil_Work: Hmm that is weird. Jul 14 07:41:55 X-Fade, it also took like two hours before the builder gave the Rejected -error after pushing the "move to queue" -button. Jul 14 07:41:59 zash: http://www.arib.or.jp/IMT-2000/V730Jul09/5_Appendix/R99/22/22030-340.pdf Jul 14 07:44:58 X-Fade: debug mode was not helpful at all Jul 14 07:45:11 DocScrutinizer: "Input string is #-string" ... uhu? Jul 14 07:45:22 what i done in the end was adding sbdmock itself to cron Jul 14 07:45:31 and that gave me error message Jul 14 07:46:01 so it's a m/^.*#$/ then? Jul 14 07:46:11 hm Jul 14 07:46:18 X-Fade: that's not a problem that every on mine pulls lot of data from maemo.org repository? Jul 14 07:46:18 gftp fixed yet? :) Jul 14 07:46:27 every build* Jul 14 07:46:53 jacekowski: how large is the repo? Jul 14 07:46:56 jacekowski: You could setup a proxy to speed things up for you. Jul 14 07:47:14 nah, it takes only couple seconds for me Jul 14 07:48:08 zash: see >> 6.5.2 Structure of the MMI<< in pdf I linked above Jul 14 07:48:33 [2010-07-13 22:54:15] Jul 14 07:48:39 Unpacking rootstrap... Jul 14 07:48:43 [2010-07-13 22:54:15] Jul 14 07:48:52 [2010-07-13 22:56:44] cd /home/maemo/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/chromium-5.0.369.2 && dpkg-checkbuilddeps Jul 14 07:48:59 hmm, lag again Jul 14 07:49:15 DocScrutinizer: The procedure always starts with *, #, **, ## or *# and is finished by #. Each part within the procedure is separated by *. Jul 14 07:49:18 aha Jul 14 07:49:47 exactly, was just about to quote exactly same line :-P Jul 14 07:53:35 now make me a `get_prepaid_credits()` ;) Jul 14 07:56:22 zash: you forgot sudo Jul 14 07:56:58 sudo !make Jul 14 07:56:59 \o/ Jul 14 07:57:26 :D Jul 14 07:58:28 good morning everyone! Jul 14 08:01:41 yo morning Jul 14 08:04:22 is there any way to get a normal 'diff' on the n900? Jul 14 08:04:44 yeah Jul 14 08:04:55 i think it's in tools repo Jul 14 08:05:04 or you can just install Gentoo Jul 14 08:05:06 :D Jul 14 08:09:52 hm... shit... my N900 just made this weird sound, and shut off.... and now it can't start up again... Jul 14 08:10:43 haj: sounds like you should charge battery Jul 14 08:10:47 it was in the sun behind a window so it was very hot... i was sleeping so didn't give it a thought that the sun would hit it... :/ Jul 14 08:10:56 DocScrutinizer: it was in the charger... Jul 14 08:11:04 too bad Jul 14 08:11:41 should this actually be the first reported case where bme is acting reasonable? Jul 14 08:12:15 hmm ... if it's connected with usb while turned off it shows the two drives... but it says "insert disc" when trying to browse them... Jul 14 08:12:38 haj: try to wait until it cools down, then try to turn it on again. Jul 14 08:12:59 hmm, i'm wondering if it was thermal shutdown or low battery Jul 14 08:13:01 haj: take out battery, let device and battery cool down for 30 min. Then insert battery, and immediately plug in Nokia wallcharger. If yellow flashing ndicator comes up, then you might dare to boot Jul 14 08:13:22 haj: *flashing* Jul 14 08:13:32 haj: if it's steady yellow it's in emergency charge mode Jul 14 08:13:42 haj: and you have to wait untill it charges Jul 14 08:13:58 night Jul 14 08:14:42 jacekowski: it has been charging on the computer all night... it's not out of power... Jul 14 08:14:58 but i'll let it cool for some time Jul 14 08:15:17 haj: bme shouldn't charge battery when it's too hot Jul 14 08:15:28 while I eat some breakfast... :) Jul 14 08:15:49 jacekowski: it has not been in the sun all night.. I think only half an hour or something Jul 14 08:19:01 your battery might get pregnant after that Jul 14 08:19:54 what was the url again for seing how many downloads a package has? Jul 14 08:26:28 haj: that shouldn't have hurt it that much. Jul 14 08:26:44 haj: if you have warranty, you can have it replaced if it is dead. Jul 14 08:29:10 DocScrutinizer: do you think it's possible to reprogram the cellmo to use its cpu for something else? Jul 14 08:29:39 the stuff in cellmo is signed, so no Jul 14 08:29:45 okay, it feels all cool now... but i still can't browse the disks when connected via usb (phone off) .. I should be able to do that right? Jul 14 08:29:48 kerio: sure it's 'possible' but you won't succeed in the end. Too much obstacles Jul 14 08:30:34 haj: really? Jul 14 08:30:37 :o Jul 14 08:30:42 well, i probably can wipe keys Jul 14 08:30:49 try booting it Jul 14 08:31:00 and that should allow programming cellmo Jul 14 08:31:03 haj: being connected to a computer may not result in being charged, due to several different causes Jul 14 08:31:23 wohoo! it's booting Jul 14 08:31:42 the main one the fact that the energy system in the n900 is somewhat fucked up Jul 14 08:32:46 main one Windows frequently powering down USB ports when going into suspend Jul 14 08:32:50 haj: glad to hear that. Jul 14 08:34:28 haj: buy a new battery Jul 14 08:34:33 DocScrutinizer: i can't charge my n900 with my mbp when it's suspended Jul 14 08:34:36 generally computers are really poor charger devices Jul 14 08:34:51 it works for some time, then stops Jul 14 08:34:58 they are simply not designed to do that Jul 14 08:35:01 hah... okay so it was actually out of power Jul 14 08:35:04 haj: if it got so hot that bme decided to shutdown it might explode/burn Jul 14 08:35:12 weird... :) Jul 14 08:35:30 DocScrutinizer: it charges my ipod fine Jul 14 08:35:35 jacekowski: i'm not going to buy a new battery everytime i forget the phone in the sun... :) Jul 14 08:35:37 (strange, huh?) Jul 14 08:36:34 the plain nokia charger adapter sometimes makes a funny noise Jul 14 08:36:55 kerio: if the attached gadget (N900 / iPod) decides to go into suspend, then the USB data back and forth is stalling, and that can result in all kinds of madness happening on host side Jul 14 08:36:57 wish I had some good microphone to look at it as a spectrogram :) Jul 14 08:37:18 haj: your choice Jul 14 08:37:31 joga: yeah, it makes an extremely annoying noise for me Jul 14 08:37:36 joga: doesn't matter Jul 14 08:37:39 haj: but you've been warned Jul 14 08:37:56 joga: I took it back to Nokia service, they replaced it. the new one emits even more annoying noise. Jul 14 08:37:56 DocScrutinizer, probably not, but I'd like to see the patterns :) Jul 14 08:38:01 joga: from a technical POV Jul 14 08:38:02 hehe Jul 14 08:38:28 Venemo: something like 16kHz? Jul 14 08:39:38 haj: if your battery has cooled down and still is working, then probably all is ok. But LiIon cells easily get short andswell/vent/explode when heated up to >~80°C Jul 14 08:40:04 jacekowski: thanks for the warning.. Jul 14 08:40:09 well, they MUST NOT explode :-D Jul 14 08:40:19 MAY NOT* Jul 14 08:40:35 jacekowski: I didn't measure... but it is a very high noise Jul 14 08:40:37 MUST, as in cert needed for US and EU markets Jul 14 08:41:05 jacekowski: I use my GF's Omnia II's charger Jul 14 08:41:05 Venemo: that's working transformer Jul 14 08:41:14 now i'll ride to work.. annoyingly without listening to a podcast... ;) (or, i will, until the n900 runs out of power) Jul 14 08:41:16 jacekowski: that one doesn't emit any sound at all. Jul 14 08:41:17 Venemo: there is no workaround for it Jul 14 08:41:29 Venemo: nah, it does Jul 14 08:41:32 cert procedures comprise such things like piercing cell with a nail, and it mustn't catch fire Jul 14 08:41:35 jacekowski: also, the charger of my old N95 was very silent Jul 14 08:41:59 Venemo: inside there is a transfomer supplied by 16kHz signal Jul 14 08:42:08 Venemo: and it will make a noise Jul 14 08:42:29 nope, the SPSU is some 100kHz Jul 14 08:42:31 Venemo: thing is that most of people older than 20 barely hear that frequency anyways Jul 14 08:42:34 jacekowski: okay. and how come that it only makes a nosie after 30 minutes of plugging it in? Jul 14 08:42:58 DocScrutinizer: are you sure? Jul 14 08:43:01 jacekowski: how come that the Omnia II's charger doesn't make noise. Jul 14 08:43:02 the audible noise is the on/off cycles the SPSU spinns in when no load attached Jul 14 08:43:23 most of ones i was measuring were in range of 15-25kHz Jul 14 08:43:34 unusual Jul 14 08:43:41 you need too large chokes Jul 14 08:45:41 jacekowski: these 15..25kHz might be one cycle to charge up output buffer C to target Voltage, then pausing until it discharged to lower threshold. Under load the figures will change Jul 14 08:46:21 well, these were mostly quite hi powered ones Jul 14 08:46:46 with load, or open output? Jul 14 08:47:16 also high power SPSU tend to have lower freq, for various reasons Jul 14 08:48:10 (mostly because the huge switching FETs etc have higher parasitary capacitance, so high switching freq are more prone to lossy efficiency) Jul 14 08:49:32 for very small SPSU even freq in MHz are usual. See e.g bq24150 Jul 14 08:50:03 (1MHz iirc) Jul 14 08:50:34 SPSU? Jul 14 08:50:36 hmm Jul 14 08:50:50 switched power supply unit Jul 14 08:50:57 hmm Jul 14 08:51:02 what's wrong with using SMPS Jul 14 08:51:23 M? Jul 14 08:51:37 switch mode power supply Jul 14 08:52:11 ok, I have no particular preferences regarding fsckng ETLA Jul 14 08:52:46 ETLA? Jul 14 08:52:54 ~wtf etla Jul 14 08:52:56 ETLA: extended three letter acronym Jul 14 08:53:42 Hey all Jul 14 08:53:50 hey one Jul 14 08:55:26 hey hey Jul 14 08:55:42 jacekowski: I gather you're into buildng UPS for server farms, or driver electronics for E-trains, or sth similar (regarding kA, and 15kHz SMPS) Jul 14 08:56:31 well, close Jul 14 08:56:54 we build generators Jul 14 08:57:01 ooh Jul 14 08:57:09 and ups'es are ussualy bought somewhere Jul 14 08:58:40 such things like the 30L 12 cylinder critters in the basement of hospital ? Jul 14 09:00:19 always found it rather funny how they manage to start such a monster and crank it up to 100% in <30s Jul 14 09:00:26 well Jul 14 09:00:30 15s Jul 14 09:00:38 FSCK Jul 14 09:00:40 2 2MW generators Jul 14 09:00:52 start and sync and 100% load in 15s Jul 14 09:01:10 but engine is preheated to 45C Jul 14 09:02:26 yeah, I think there's a lot of hot standby support systems running all the time. Like fuel pumps, lubricant heating and circulating... dunno what Jul 14 09:02:42 just heating Jul 14 09:02:57 everything else is started when engine starts Jul 14 09:03:04 amazing Jul 14 09:03:25 6kW starter motor Jul 14 09:03:26 anyway we should take it elsewhere Jul 14 09:03:36 rather OT Jul 14 09:03:49 well, 2x3kW Jul 14 09:03:54 :-) Jul 14 09:04:43 * Weiss heard a few years ago about how some power stations can be started up from scratch, starting with a little hand-cranked generator, which starts some diesel engine, which starts a small turbine, which starts ... Jul 14 09:04:54 (normally they'd need to pull power from the grid to start) Jul 14 09:05:05 when I ponder about usual car engine starter motor is >1kW... :-o Jul 14 09:05:37 i have a soft in Linux OS it is about ubuntu , fedora, debian, can i change it to adapt with N900 all? Jul 14 09:05:39 Weiss: yup Jul 14 09:05:44 Car starter motors are surprisingly powerful Jul 14 09:05:45 well, some of our generators are just used for black start of power stations Jul 14 09:05:55 btw, hola Weiss Jul 14 09:06:01 moin DocScrutinizer :D Jul 14 09:06:07 DocScrutinizer: Pff that is nothing. My RC heli has a 3kW continuous motor running on lipo ;) Jul 14 09:06:08 They can draw hundreds of amps on startup Jul 14 09:06:11 how's science? Jul 14 09:06:29 pretty good at the moment - loads of conferences and experiments planned until about Feb Jul 14 09:07:06 X-Fade: the amazing thing is jacekowski starts a 2MW Diesel generator with such a 'tiny' motor Jul 14 09:07:17 Morning, all Jul 14 09:07:26 Mine only weighs 375 gram. Jul 14 09:07:54 * DocScrutinizer ponders about e-bikes Jul 14 09:08:14 google for a123 bike ;) Jul 14 09:08:56 Have you noticed how cheap you can get solar panels these days? I just ordered a bunch of 12V 0.5W panels for 8e/piece Jul 14 09:09:25 I'm planning on building some sort of car ventilation system for hot days like these. Jul 14 09:09:41 So the car doesn't get that hot when parked. Jul 14 09:09:43 MiXu-: Call me back when they produce 0.5kW for 8e/piece? :) Jul 14 09:09:47 btw, to whom it may concern: Change of PIN - **04*OLD_PIN*NEW_PIN*NEW_PIN# works on PR1.2 with easter-egg Jul 14 09:11:13 So I'm considering to close 8033 today, after careful evaluation for a complete support of TS22.030 Jul 14 09:13:19 the n900 needs a diesel generator Jul 14 09:13:24 *#61#, *#62#, *#67# works Jul 14 09:13:46 #31#NUMBER works Jul 14 09:14:34 *100# worked even on PR1.1, with ussd app Jul 14 09:15:06 #002# _seems_ to work (""not complient with current status"") Jul 14 09:16:02 I'll run thru a full test, list results, and publish on ticker 8033 Jul 14 09:16:15 ticket even Jul 14 09:16:57 also need to check what's related to easter-egg and what is not Jul 14 09:17:12 DocScrutinizer: easter egg? Jul 14 09:17:41 DocScrutinizer: it changes pin to random value? Jul 14 09:17:46 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c8 Jul 14 09:17:47 Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 Jul 14 09:18:13 -> easter-egg ~/.osso/call-ui.ini Jul 14 09:18:31 (random walue) more arbitrary value, yes Jul 14 09:19:09 random value wouldn't be quite handy, no? :-P Jul 14 09:20:26 i don't have that file Jul 14 09:21:00 and well, i wouldn't be suprised if it would change to random value Jul 14 09:21:04 me neither, that's why it took a while until I decided to create it. And now I'm unsure if that did change anything Jul 14 09:21:30 so: [2010-07-14 11:16:57] also need to check what's related to easter-egg and what is not Jul 14 09:21:57 jacekowski: could you test for change-pin without easter-egg, please? Jul 14 09:22:27 **04*OLD_PIN*NEW_PIN*NEW_PIN# Jul 14 09:22:42 old pin may be identical with new pin Jul 14 09:23:09 ...so you don't actually change it, for your convenience Jul 14 09:24:02 jacekowski: also checking a simple *#67# would be helpful Jul 14 09:24:05 thanks Jul 14 09:24:30 i've got no idea what is my current pin Jul 14 09:24:39 so it's probably 0000 Jul 14 09:25:01 jacekowski: anyway even with wrong old_pin it won't hurt Jul 14 09:25:24 either reports success or fail Jul 14 09:25:30 service code not supported Jul 14 09:25:52 or says "illegal number" and that's what we don't want to see Jul 14 09:26:08 for change_pin? Jul 14 09:26:10 well i had "service code not supported" Jul 14 09:26:26 for **04*0000*0000*0000# Jul 14 09:26:57 mhm, so easter egg is actually needed Jul 14 09:27:05 hmm, crap Jul 14 09:27:18 it looks like it's not only NOLO checking certificate Jul 14 09:27:25 CMT is doing it as well Jul 14 09:27:33 says "failed to change PIN" here Jul 14 09:27:48 and CMT firmware seems to be a lot more secure Jul 14 09:27:56 told you.. Jul 14 09:27:57 :P Jul 14 09:28:15 hmm, i need a cluster Jul 14 09:28:20 lol Jul 14 09:28:21 Like playing bzflag while idling and talking with other bzflag players? Have a go at ##Bzflagidlehouse Jul 14 09:28:26 so i can just bruteforce that cert Jul 14 09:28:43 Try ##Bzflagidlehouse Jul 14 09:28:53 make that an app, like seta@home for N900 :-P Jul 14 09:29:07 ##Bzflagidlehouse Jul 14 09:29:58 idiot spammer Jul 14 09:30:25 s/seta/seti Jul 14 09:32:34 Stskeeps: everything can be cracked Jul 14 09:33:00 with sufficient time Jul 14 09:33:09 jacekowski: I still miss what you're tackling Jul 14 09:33:33 signature for certain flasher partitions? Jul 14 09:33:48 or for modem firmware even? Jul 14 09:33:56 CAL? Jul 14 09:35:26 well, i'm just looking into how flashing is done Jul 14 09:35:27 and how hard would it be to flash CMT Jul 14 09:35:27 and what's CMT (sorry it's really too early for me) Jul 14 09:35:49 cellmo Jul 14 09:35:52 aah Jul 14 09:36:34 forget flashing modem firmware. it's usually checked internally inside modem Jul 14 09:36:52 well, it's checked by nolo Jul 14 09:37:03 and then by modem again Jul 14 09:37:17 I don't know a single contemporary modem chipset where flashing a new firmware is THAT easy Jul 14 09:37:18 nolo checks are not a problem Jul 14 09:37:46 (except OM calypso :-P) Jul 14 09:37:56 (our certs are NULL) Jul 14 09:38:05 well, thing is Jul 14 09:38:13 that i have way of wiping nolo certs Jul 14 09:38:22 and i'm not sure if they are the same for modem Jul 14 09:38:34 odds are they are not Jul 14 09:39:00 hmm, firmware is downloaded to modem, verified and then flashed Jul 14 09:39:20 there's a modem cert inside chipset, and you won't easily read it out Jul 14 09:39:36 so you don't even have access to public key Jul 14 09:39:37 and bugs that you can modify data after checks but before it's used are quite common Jul 14 09:39:59 why N900 doesn't resend automatically smses that failed to deliver? Jul 14 09:41:54 hi all, I'm connected to a wireless network but there is no wireless logo saying that I'm actually connected. How do I get this back? If I click the notification area, the 'internet connection' says not connected, but when I click on that, it shows that I'm connected to wireless Jul 14 09:42:48 well, there is always jtag way Jul 14 09:43:15 hey... okay, I don't think my N900 shutting down this morning was related to heat Jul 14 09:43:36 it's still morning Jul 14 09:45:17 Just checked batterygraph... I was playing a bit of DuneII yesterday without charger connected, and when I quit it I connected it to the labtops USB (as I always do when it's night).. but I can see in batterygraph that something has been eating 60% cpu or something all night... So it wasn't charging. Jul 14 09:45:22 jacekowski: not here in Denmark :) Jul 14 09:46:17 sometimes it would be nice if batterygraph logged the app using the most cpu ;) Jul 14 09:48:14 haj: well, 11:48 is still morning Jul 14 09:49:31 In denmark we would call that midday... :) Jul 14 09:49:43 jacekowski: where are you based? Jul 14 09:50:11 uk Jul 14 09:50:21 okay.. :) Jul 14 10:03:45 oOoo Jul 14 10:07:10 nolo modifies cmt firmware Jul 14 10:07:14 before it's uploaded to modem Jul 14 10:20:34 i need somebody brave enough to flash their phone with my firmware Jul 14 10:21:02 jacekowski: what does your firmware contain? Jul 14 10:22:09 jacekowski: http://qdb.us/303118 Jul 14 10:26:39 Venemo: modified nolo Jul 14 10:26:49 Venemo: that may not boot at all Jul 14 10:26:56 i'd like to warn against that, as nolo is signed Jul 14 10:27:03 and your n900 will be dead in the water Jul 14 10:27:03 :P Jul 14 10:27:18 i'd like to say if you bork nolo, you need a serial cable to fix it Jul 14 10:27:42 i'm not always sure this is possible Jul 14 10:27:42 :P Jul 14 10:28:16 * MohammadAG shrugs Jul 14 10:28:22 * arachnist yawns Jul 14 10:28:34 why oh why didn't N900 come with uboot? Jul 14 10:28:48 because more people would mess up their devices Jul 14 10:28:49 :P Jul 14 10:29:48 Stskeeps: i'm not sure about nolo being signed Jul 14 10:29:53 i'm sure of it. Jul 14 10:29:54 :P Jul 14 10:30:28 what is checking that signature? Jul 14 10:30:34 omap hs Jul 14 10:30:36 Stskeeps, you might know the answer I've been seeking for few days: do you know if there's more "polite" way to reload hildon-home than doing killall hildon-home? Built-in theme selecting application does this without losing all python -widgets from desktop while killall hildon-home makes them disappear 8/10 times. Jul 14 10:30:54 hmm, i could use kexec Jul 14 10:30:56 ie, the boot rom Jul 14 10:31:05 to boot my version of nolo Jul 14 10:31:28 ( problem that nolo has to live at specific address in memory ) Jul 14 10:40:31 X-Fade: ping Jul 14 10:43:08 D-Iivil_Work: it's probably a dbus message Jul 14 10:43:12 use a listener Jul 14 10:43:29 Stskeeps: I thought there are diferent flavours of OMAP. Ones that check BL signature, and ones that don't Jul 14 10:44:16 there is Jul 14 10:44:22 and n900 is one of those Jul 14 10:44:29 mhm Jul 14 10:44:47 I can't tell for sure, from any of the info I got so far Jul 14 10:46:02 even the schematics are obscure wrt that, as you'd probably need to pulldown a SoC pin to boot from serial Jul 14 10:46:55 I'm sure one of the testpads in battery bay is for that, but schematics has virtually zero info about those testpads Jul 14 10:50:33 i'll play with these pins today Jul 14 10:51:04 that's what she said Jul 14 10:51:04 you can afford a new n900, right? :P Jul 14 10:51:23 i mean, enable r&d mode, enable serial flag Jul 14 10:51:35 Stskeeps: i can Jul 14 10:51:56 Stskeeps: i mean - i can afford to buy £2k scope Jul 14 10:52:06 Stskeeps: that i'm going to useon that phone Jul 14 10:52:17 ah Jul 14 10:52:35 but well, scope is a tool Jul 14 10:52:41 usefull tool, Jul 14 10:54:08 and wasting £500 isn't a thing i would like to do Jul 14 10:54:18 but connecting scope isn't going to break it Jul 14 10:54:20 i hope Jul 14 10:56:37 hey, do someone know when the PR1.3 will release? Jul 14 10:57:03 8) Jul 14 10:57:53 hey, anyone there? Jul 14 10:58:40 there's many of us here. Jul 14 10:59:00 My wild guess about PR1.3 is that it'll be released the same moment as hell freezes. Jul 14 10:59:29 ohhh, so it would be soon Jul 14 10:59:40 tuliobaars: Nokia does not announce release dates in advance. Jul 14 11:00:00 yep Jul 14 11:00:06 just forget Jul 14 11:00:16 damn, why is the neopwn website down Jul 14 11:00:20 I would be asking if there is even a 1.3, not when it's going to be released Jul 14 11:00:27 crashanddie, some misconfiguration Jul 14 11:00:35 yep Jul 14 11:00:38 MohammadAG: bollocks Jul 14 11:00:47 i guess it will be released Jul 14 11:00:51 i hope Jul 14 11:01:29 MohammadAG: actually, neopwn.com expires on 31st july 2010 Jul 14 11:03:42 so, why not the PR 1.3 won't going to be released? Jul 14 11:05:54 did that not english not speaking not talking not leave? Jul 14 11:09:06 Nice, got adaptive Qt layouts when I rotate from portrait to landscape mode :) Jul 14 11:23:48 Hey everyone I just had https://garage.maemo.org/projects/grsync redirect to my-symbian.com on my n900 but not on my pc, has anyone else had a similar problem? Jul 14 11:26:13 hmmmm, what if i would connect USB cable + 100k resistor to BSI + 20-30ohms resistor to + an - Jul 14 11:26:18 and no batttery Jul 14 11:26:52 jacekowski: should work i guess Jul 14 11:26:59 bme will probably complain Jul 14 11:27:12 don't try to charge it Jul 14 11:44:37 hm Jul 14 11:44:50 BEWARE!!! **04*0000*0000*0000# eats your PIN retries. After three times you need PUK!! Jul 14 11:45:20 * DocScrutinizer shouting swearwords Jul 14 11:45:21 why did you tell us what's the code? Jul 14 11:45:42 DocScrutinizer: When your original pin isn't 0000, I would imagine it would. Jul 14 11:46:00 yep, of course only if your oin is NOT 0000 Jul 14 11:46:07 pin* Jul 14 11:46:35 Otherwise it would be a nice way to find out a pin. Jul 14 11:46:47 goddamn shit, my PUK was incinerated 2 years ago Jul 14 11:46:55 :( Jul 14 11:48:23 X-Fade: actually I thought about that previously, but wasn't clever enough to think about the implications Jul 14 11:48:58 DocScrutinizer: Doesn't your provider know your puk? Jul 14 11:48:59 ok, time for a walk to my provider's service point Jul 14 11:49:11 dunno, hope err pray for it Jul 14 11:49:40 While you are at it: Try the puk code USSD :) Jul 14 11:50:07 DocScrutinizer: can't you just call? Jul 14 11:50:07 nah, dialer asks for puk by itself Jul 14 11:50:37 kerio: if I could do that, then puk/pin wouldn't be worth much, no? :-) Jul 14 11:50:42 is anybody aware of current problems with the autobuilder? Jul 14 11:51:02 DocScrutinizer: huh Jul 14 11:51:04 call as in just call your provider and ask them for the puk Jul 14 11:51:05 it's your sim Jul 14 11:51:07 ie using another phone. Jul 14 11:51:46 nidO: kerio: yep, and while I'm at it, I'll ask for your puk as well Jul 14 11:51:52 go for it Jul 14 11:51:56 huh.. Jul 14 11:52:08 if you know my phone number, name, address, dob, and secret question/answer Jul 14 11:52:11 theyll give it to you Jul 14 11:52:13 i need a sim cloner Jul 14 11:52:14 :) Jul 14 11:52:18 huh Jul 14 11:52:33 you basically just need name and ssn in italy Jul 14 11:52:52 nidO: ok, good point. But I dunno any secret word either, I mean that sim is 12 years old now Jul 14 11:52:54 and our "ssn" is a function of name, birthday and place of birth Jul 14 11:53:34 next shop is 5 min away Jul 14 11:53:56 if they really can tell me my PUK, then I'm happy about the walk Jul 14 11:54:01 DocScrutinizer: what kind of nerd are you? :| Jul 14 11:54:07 going out, talking to people Jul 14 11:54:12 LOL Jul 14 11:54:20 http://beagleboard.org/hardware-xM Jul 14 11:54:23 kerio: LoooL :D Jul 14 11:54:28 1GHz 512MB beagleboard? Jul 14 11:54:36 i wouldnt mind finding a case for that :) Jul 14 11:54:41 do they sell beagleboard cases? Jul 14 11:55:56 the sheevaplug is cuter Jul 14 11:56:05 less powerful, but cuter Jul 14 11:56:11 also costs less Jul 14 11:57:32 thought sheevaplug didnt have a vid out Jul 14 11:57:52 it has a usb out Jul 14 11:58:15 for video? Jul 14 11:58:28 Macer: IGEPv2 is another option, has a bit less MHz though Jul 14 11:58:50 Macer: why not Jul 14 11:59:45 kerio: yeah i guess usb would do Jul 14 12:00:06 beagleboard has a bootable microsd slot tho Jul 14 12:00:15 32GB sd would be nice Jul 14 12:00:29 wonder how well it would run as a low wnd server Jul 14 12:00:31 sheevaplug has a bootable sd slot Jul 14 12:00:44 how much ram? Jul 14 12:00:50 512 iirc Jul 14 12:00:55 wow Jul 14 12:01:01 wait, maybe 256? Jul 14 12:01:03 brb checking Jul 14 12:01:06 heh Jul 14 12:01:27 Mem: 513752 252468 261284 0 62228 113512 Jul 14 12:01:35 damn Jul 14 12:01:38 not bad Jul 14 12:01:45 600MHz? Jul 14 12:01:47 ls Jul 14 12:01:58 not sure Jul 14 12:02:01 Macer: 1.2GHz Jul 14 12:02:02 the new models are out i think Jul 14 12:02:02 hm Jul 14 12:02:08 ssvb: no way Jul 14 12:02:15 that fast? Jul 14 12:02:16 1.2 Jul 14 12:02:17 wow Jul 14 12:02:17 yup Jul 14 12:02:32 that thing is a little beast Jul 14 12:02:43 arm debian would be awesome on that Jul 14 12:02:51 for... small values of beast Jul 14 12:02:57 heh Jul 14 12:02:59 well Jul 14 12:03:02 you mean arm ubuntu Jul 14 12:03:10 it's preinstalled Jul 14 12:03:10 jaunty Jul 14 12:03:22 you cant switch to debian? Jul 14 12:03:26 oh, the new base model has the same Jul 14 12:03:35 Macer: but sheevaplug is an old armv5te core, without any kind of FPU, SIMD or any cool CPU features Jul 14 12:03:35 whew Jul 14 12:03:41 it's just... waaaaay better looking Jul 14 12:03:41 :( Jul 14 12:03:41 Macer: sure Jul 14 12:03:45 i don't see the point though Jul 14 12:04:18 haha Jul 14 12:04:34 kerio: obviously not that kind of nerd. They were happy with my name and birthday Jul 14 12:04:43 so 1.2GHz with no extra instructions ? Jul 14 12:05:07 so it probably runs as fast as a 200MHz newer arm :) Jul 14 12:05:36 Macer: it's just running at a high clock frequency, and has a lot higher power consumption than OMAP3 Jul 14 12:06:07 Macer: :( Jul 14 12:06:21 stop dissing mah server Jul 14 12:06:51 strike! Jul 14 12:06:54 sheevaplug is awesome! Jul 14 12:07:01 Macer: 1.2GHz clocked sheevaplug is something like 20% faster than 720MHz clocked IGEPv2 at compilation Jul 14 12:07:03 :-))) Jul 14 12:07:21 Macer: higher MHz really pays off Jul 14 12:09:26 frals: it is Jul 14 12:09:27 :D Jul 14 12:09:28 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Jul 14 12:13:50 ssvb: twice the freq for 20% time doesn't look like it's worth the risk Jul 14 12:14:07 (for overclock I meant) Jul 14 12:15:10 the sheevaplug is cute Jul 14 12:16:04 Corsac: what risk? it does not need to run on a battery so can easily afford to consume 2-3x more power than other ARM processors Jul 14 12:16:49 and still doesn't use a lot Jul 14 12:16:49 Corsac: it's less power efficient, but cheap Jul 14 12:18:51 kerio: it depends, 7W is really a lot and unsuitable for a mobile phone for example Jul 14 12:19:12 well of course Jul 14 12:19:26 but it's basically nothing for a home server Jul 14 12:20:55 X-Fade: ping Jul 14 13:20:38 heh Jul 14 13:20:43 look what i've found Jul 14 13:22:41 http://img36.imageshack.us/i/teki.png/ Jul 14 13:22:48 on N900 pin Jul 14 13:23:02 aand that's? :P Jul 14 13:23:10 serial Jul 14 13:23:16 ah Jul 14 13:23:49 2.5v? Jul 14 13:23:58 yep Jul 14 13:24:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports plz Jul 14 13:24:09 keep in mind there's one for cmt and one for linux side Jul 14 13:24:43 SpeedEvil: that picture is bad Jul 14 13:24:52 besides, it looks little bit higher than 2.5 Jul 14 13:24:55 more like 2.6 Jul 14 13:26:07 and with bit width of little bit less than 10 micro secunds Jul 14 13:26:10 seconds* Jul 14 13:27:31 oh - not rs232 then Jul 14 13:27:57 actually - that's right for 115200 isn't it Jul 14 13:28:08 yep Jul 14 13:28:35 you're not doing anything to provoke this datastream? Is it constant? Jul 14 13:29:12 i've enabled serial-console Jul 14 13:29:17 or something like that Jul 14 13:29:22 and was power cycling Jul 14 13:29:23 ah Jul 14 13:29:45 phone was powered from PSU without BSI connected Jul 14 13:31:58 hmm Jul 14 13:32:08 suggest something i could use to connect it to PC Jul 14 13:33:07 Isn't something like a max555 needed or so? Jul 14 13:33:17 232 I think you mean Jul 14 13:33:29 max232 is 5V Jul 14 13:33:35 and i don't have it on the shelf anyways Jul 14 13:33:38 there are variants Jul 14 13:33:42 Ehm yeah, rusty here ;) Jul 14 13:34:09 wow bleach got incredibly stupid Jul 14 13:34:11 i've added my findings to that page Jul 14 13:34:19 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RS232-TTL-Shifter-SMD-Serial-Interface-ANY-Voltage-/120594618237?cmd=ViewItem&pt=BI_Robotics&hash=item1c13ffd77d jacekowski? Jul 14 13:34:38 SpeedEvil: something from my shelf Jul 14 13:34:49 i'm not patient enough to wait for thath Jul 14 13:34:51 that* Jul 14 13:35:03 heh Jul 14 13:35:04 jacekowski: Do you have old data cables for phone lying around? Jul 14 13:35:21 no Jul 14 13:35:26 all stuff i have is 5V Jul 14 13:35:37 For a hack - a comparator at 1.4V or so Jul 14 13:35:38 nothing beats making something that will fry your phone Jul 14 13:35:42 hmm, i have some lov volatage stuff Jul 14 13:35:51 1.8V Jul 14 13:35:52 hook resistors up to it Jul 14 13:35:55 with resistor Jul 14 13:36:28 It's very low risk to just connect (observing anti-static precautions) an input through a 10K resistor - say Jul 14 13:37:17 A NPN, with a 10K base resistor would work OK too Jul 14 13:42:48 BC337 is NPN Jul 14 13:43:12 yep Jul 14 13:54:38 wazzup? Jul 14 13:59:10 jacekowski: router? Jul 14 13:59:39 jacekowski: for my TTL-level stuff, I use my WRT54G's second serial port Jul 14 14:00:28 jacekowski: check polarity. LV-RS232 often is inverted logic. You need to find out level of stopbit Jul 14 14:00:47 8n1 Jul 14 14:00:47 :P Jul 14 14:01:21 Jig probably has coversion hardware though. Jul 14 14:01:32 lol - yes but is "1" 0V or 2.5V here? Jul 14 14:03:16 X-Fade: i don't have a jig Jul 14 14:03:35 that's the whole problem. Where to get a jig Jul 14 14:03:42 nokia Jul 14 14:04:02 a cheap one, not containing loads of useless crap Jul 14 14:04:13 china Jul 14 14:04:47 hmm, let me ask somebody Jul 14 14:05:23 DocScrutinizer: .. i think there's only barebone ones, heh Jul 14 14:05:32 really? Jul 14 14:07:00 ok, i've just spoken to somebody Jul 14 14:07:11 and he'll ask his family Jul 14 14:07:19 ( he's wife is chinese ) Jul 14 14:07:24 his* Jul 14 14:07:39 Ah, then she _must_ know ;) Jul 14 14:08:33 tracy used to come back from work (in a bookshop) and she would be infuraited by people who came in and said "I'm looking for a book, it had a blue cover" Jul 14 14:09:12 Flash adapter FS-94 is used for phone testing and flashing. FS-94 is used with the generic flash adapter base SS-60/62 and control unit CU-4 or interface adapter SS-46. Jul 14 14:09:14 When flashing or system testing the phone, the adapter is attached to replace the phone own battery. All functions (as well as the calibration voltages, current and the protections for over voltages, over current and voltage polarity), are performed by CU-4. Jul 14 14:09:15 Flash adapter FS-94 main features: • VBATT supply interface • USB / FBUS multiplexed interface to the phone Jul 14 14:10:17 check SM_L3_4.pdf Jul 14 14:10:30 RST38h: around? :) Jul 14 14:11:40 there's FS-94, MJ-174, CU-4, FLS-5, FPS-21... incredible Jul 14 14:11:46 anbody use a n810 in here? Jul 14 14:15:43 Clockwork1: yes Jul 14 14:16:01 What do you use it for? Jul 14 14:16:10 err Jul 14 14:16:14 wardriving when GPS works Jul 14 14:30:55 mine mostly reads ebooks with fbreader :P Jul 14 14:50:08 that phone needs some low low low power mode Jul 14 14:50:23 when only thing that could wake it up would be incoming call Jul 14 14:50:47 It does Jul 14 14:50:56 if by that, you mean n900 Jul 14 14:51:08 jacekowski: i was thinking of something even more radical Jul 14 14:51:10 echo ram >/sys/power/state Jul 14 14:51:11 or unlocking or opening camera or pressing keys or ... Jul 14 14:51:20 this will wake on GSM incoming call Jul 14 14:51:34 but lot of hardware is still working Jul 14 14:51:35 However it also wakes on GSM signal change - which isn't so great Jul 14 14:51:35 dualboot with a "dumbphone" OS Jul 14 14:51:52 ideally some state where omap would be powered down Jul 14 14:51:58 and only cellmo would be working Jul 14 14:52:08 jacekowski: It's supsended to RAM in that state Jul 14 14:52:34 ram is still powered Jul 14 14:52:36 draw is - IIRC - around half of nominal Jul 14 14:52:49 so ~250 hours, not 140 hours standby Jul 14 14:52:51 SpeedEvil: drawbacks? Jul 14 14:53:06 It doesn't work as the modem is configured to report state-change events Jul 14 14:53:28 and these are frequent enough that teh powersaving of this mode is wiped out as it's quite expensive to enter/leave Jul 14 14:54:11 yep Jul 14 14:54:26 this is - in principle - trivial to change Jul 14 14:54:38 the modem can be configured to not announce signalstate changes. Jul 14 14:54:40 jacekowski: write a dumbphone OS Jul 14 14:54:47 But it's a closed module that talks to the phone. Jul 14 14:54:57 Other than this - all the software 'just works' Jul 14 14:55:41 Suspend to 'disk' might save another 20% or so - but at the cost of vastly more overhead starting up. Jul 14 14:56:02 As in 15s to wakeup Jul 14 15:00:20 hellos Jul 14 15:00:39 X-Fade: ping Jul 14 15:01:13 hi Pauly Jul 14 15:01:36 my fmms is not owrking correctly ughhh, wont download. worked fine be4 i reflashed. Jul 14 15:02:06 crashanddie: sup? Jul 14 15:02:52 i should try fmms Jul 14 15:03:02 should i connect to the mms internet connection before i start fmms? Jul 14 15:06:24 kerio: it used to work good. but now it just gets stuck at downloading mms. Jul 14 15:06:57 it has to be something wrong with my config Jul 14 15:08:13 Hello all Jul 14 15:11:44 hi kevloral Jul 14 15:12:38 ~ping Jul 14 15:12:39 ~pong Jul 14 15:16:29 * DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil has come to the conclusion that modem actually isn't set to no_unsol - on locking the device Jul 14 15:17:33 Simply Jul 14 15:17:40 echo ram >/sys/power/suspend Jul 14 15:18:01 Under some circumstances, the phone wakes 'randomly' Jul 14 15:18:08 It does not do this if GSM is turned off Jul 14 15:18:32 It does not do this - sometimes - if it's in a very good signal area if it can only see one cell site Jul 14 15:18:38 it wakes on ring Jul 14 15:19:25 and that pnatd gives the unsolicited messages at about the right rate to account for the wakeups Jul 14 15:21:39 SpeedEvil: but what makes you sure about a lockscreen does NOT set modem to no_unsol_msgs mode? Jul 14 15:22:12 because I was doing some of the tests with it locked Jul 14 15:22:16 IIRC Jul 14 15:22:27 or maybe some timeout in cellmo driver when detecting nobody cares about unsol-msgs Jul 14 15:28:29 fsck, how comes xchat behaves like brainwashed on a new device, even when ~/.xchat2 has been copied over from a correctly configured one Jul 14 15:29:30 * DocScrutinizer reprograms the silos to target on gconf Jul 14 15:29:37 ~nuke gconf Jul 14 15:29:38 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gconf ... B☢☢M! Jul 14 15:30:57 ~nuke infobot Jul 14 15:30:58 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... B☢☢M! Jul 14 15:31:04 BS! linux, always nothing but hassle :-P Jul 14 15:35:23 Howdy. I'm trying to send my n900 off under warranty (useless usb port). However I have been unable to find a freepost address for the USA, and the relevant forms Jul 14 15:35:46 has anyone else had to send a phone to a nokia repair center in the USA Jul 14 15:35:57 jophish: I had a useless USB port but a hard reset fixed it... Jul 14 15:36:20 Mine has done this: http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2010/2/n900-broke.jpg Jul 14 15:36:35 I don't think that reset will fix it PerfDave :) Jul 14 15:37:10 Yeah, that's quite broken ;) Jul 14 15:37:56 ah, I found the form Jul 14 15:41:03 jophish: you're not the first person to experience that, I gather. I also read that later models have proper pins going right through the PCB to avoid the USB port falling off like that (earlier models are just surface mounted, which isn't strong enough) Jul 14 15:41:31 Yeah, I have had it rejected for repair here in the UK because it was a us based imei number Jul 14 15:41:38 ouch Jul 14 15:41:42 when I get it back, I plan to flood it with hot glue :) Jul 14 15:41:55 jophish: did you try flashing it? Jul 14 15:41:58 jophish: (just kidding) Jul 14 15:42:02 :) Jul 14 15:42:06 did they refuse to fix it for free (i.e. under warranty), or did they refuse to fix it at all? Jul 14 15:42:13 at all Jul 14 15:42:25 well, get the service repair manual to take it apart Jul 14 15:42:28 fortunately, I'm flying to the states tomorrow Jul 14 15:42:29 and solder it back Jul 14 15:42:33 jophish, undoubtly flashing *would* fix it, but you can't flash without a working USB port Jul 14 15:42:37 elementary chicken-and-egg Jul 14 15:42:51 crashanddie, I would have, except that I dont have a teeny tiny hex screqdriver Jul 14 15:42:55 probably best though Jul 14 15:43:22 jophish: I bought a 2 quid screwdriver set, and filed off a bit off one of 'em, so it would fit Jul 14 15:43:51 and voided your warranty too :) Jul 14 15:43:55 not that it is working for me Jul 14 15:44:02 well, it was an n810, it was already OOW Jul 14 15:44:09 ah ok Jul 14 15:44:15 no problems with my n810 Jul 14 15:44:36 the screen stopped working Jul 14 15:44:45 with mine Jul 14 15:44:52 so I just took it apart, and repluged the screen cable Jul 14 15:45:13 :) Jul 14 15:45:33 what should I put as an explanation on the nokia form to ensure that it is repaired? Jul 14 15:45:40 The usb port has fallen out... Jul 14 15:46:19 "USB Port failure as noted in class action lawsuit #33849183 filed under the California District" Jul 14 15:47:04 that sounds impressive Jul 14 15:47:14 it's utter bullshit though Jul 14 15:47:28 I thought as much, I couldnt find any information on that suit Jul 14 15:49:27 armani Jul 14 15:59:29 Hi. I want to initiate calls from my computer. Ideally, this would work over bluetooth. http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How_to_send_AT_commands_and_Dial_with_Python_and_Bluetooth is as close as I've gotten (by searching, haven't tried anything yet) Jul 14 15:59:52 is this doable with a N900? Jul 14 16:06:07 ceda: why not try? Jul 14 16:16:02 still at work, locked down windows machine ... Jul 14 16:16:10 work=customer site Jul 14 16:20:27 hey guys. Jul 14 16:20:49 what do you think would be the best key combination for strike-through text? Jul 14 16:21:01 When Ctrl+S is reserved for save Jul 14 16:23:41 why the heck would anyone want to bind strike-thru Jul 14 16:24:09 Venemo: Ctrl+/ perhaps Jul 14 16:24:23 ceda: there is no dediacated / on the N900. Jul 14 16:24:37 red: well, it was a feature request. :) Jul 14 16:24:59 make it shift control a :) Jul 14 16:25:01 Venemo: F then perhaps, it's where the - character is at Jul 14 16:25:28 ceda: well, Ctrl+F is usually associated with Search/Find Jul 14 16:26:10 bye all Jul 14 16:26:13 Venemo, ctrl-fn-v Jul 14 16:26:36 GAN900: hm. I'll try that. Jul 14 16:26:50 GAN900: you are right, the fn+v is the / Jul 14 16:29:38 GAN900: it's not working. Jul 14 16:30:47 Venemo, Sym may be interfering Jul 14 16:30:58 ctfl-shift-v? Jul 14 16:31:27 GAN900: that can be easily mistaken with Ctrl+V Jul 14 16:35:37 keep in mind the borked fsckup kbd matrix. N-key rollover won't work sometimes Jul 14 16:36:39 Is it known that open TTD doesn't work? Jul 14 16:37:00 RZ: it works for me. Jul 14 16:37:23 Hm that's not good for me. Jul 14 16:37:24 RZ: although the -devel version may not work correctly Jul 14 16:38:36 -devel version is from the repos? In Nokia program nanager? Jul 14 16:38:52 i.e. results of any 3 keys pressed same time are not easily predictable Jul 14 16:39:25 fucking hell Jul 14 16:39:27 success Jul 14 16:39:47 *manager Jul 14 16:39:53 http://pastebin.com/1KSPhECy Jul 14 16:39:59 serial from n900 Jul 14 16:40:01 Should read program manager. Jul 14 16:40:40 DocScrutinizer51: Jul 14 16:41:26 jacekowski: WOOOOT Jul 14 16:41:33 http://pastebin.com/1KSPhECy Jul 14 16:41:44 i just got that from my phone via serial Jul 14 16:42:42 ~hail jacekowski Jul 14 16:42:44 * infobot bows down to jacekowski and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jul 14 16:43:11 jacekowski: pins? levels? baudrates? Jul 14 16:43:19 115..... Jul 14 16:43:23 high one Jul 14 16:43:26 pin Jul 14 16:43:32 i've update wiki page Jul 14 16:43:43 but it's one on the set closer to a sticker Jul 14 16:44:04 So, if you like my game, you can now vote for the package in testing http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/reactionfaceoff/0.0.1-3/ Jul 14 16:44:38 jacekowski: found RX as well? Jul 14 16:45:34 not yet Jul 14 16:47:28 115200 8-N-1 Jul 14 16:48:01 jacekowski: but it should be easy now to say for sure which UART is used (by sending to all available and check output on pin). Then check which GPIO has RX of same UART, and wiggle that GPIO to trace down the assoc testpad Jul 14 16:48:36 hmmm, something is wrong Jul 14 16:48:39 i don't get anything now Jul 14 16:48:43 i see data on a scope Jul 14 16:48:50 it looks like my serial port is dead Jul 14 16:49:33 I consider to produce a small series of fixtures incl levelshifter Jul 14 16:49:59 anyways Jul 14 16:50:03 console=tty0 Jul 14 16:50:05 1st serial Jul 14 16:50:19 hmm, so how is it comunicating with cellmo Jul 14 16:50:56 a completely separate set of pads for cellmo FBUS Jul 14 16:51:09 take a look at schematic Jul 14 16:51:24 uart0 is connected to cellmo Jul 14 16:51:52 hmm uart1 Jul 14 16:51:52 aah. main app processor to cellmo? that's some membus or I2C Jul 14 16:52:36 afk for a walk... Jul 14 16:52:52 hmm, SSI Jul 14 16:53:03 i've heard that name before Jul 14 16:55:54 home time Jul 14 17:03:34 humdidumdi Jul 14 17:15:06 hi. Hope one of you could help me... I created a Theme for the N900, using MADDE. Just like it's written in the TUT http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Theme_building . Jul 14 17:15:31 but after using the maemo extras assistant it says FAILED Jul 14 17:15:59 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-July/025055.html Jul 14 17:16:39 i'm pretty new in maemo/linux world.... hope you can help. Jul 14 17:18:12 Shift: I'm not sure as I don't usually do things like this, but I think your problem is in the configure.ac file where you have a string: THEME_NAME="NightShifts First S[3~trike[Crike"e Jul 14 17:18:53 okay. sory to ask that dumb, but what does this mean? Jul 14 17:18:54 Shift: line 14, THEME_NAME, it contains weird escape characters. And that is the file autobuilder failed on, as you can see in this log https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/hildon-theme-firststrike_0.1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Jul 14 17:19:01 ahh# Jul 14 17:19:06 okay Jul 14 17:19:14 "scratchbox/tools/bin/m4:configure.ac:14: ERROR: end of file in string" Jul 14 17:19:41 Shift: understand? Jul 14 17:19:50 i see. so the problem could be just a bad name ? Jul 14 17:20:27 indeed. Something is wrong with that line. I don't know how you ended up with that, just make sure that it is fixed, i.e. only contains proper characters when you retry building the package. Jul 14 17:21:02 Shift: also, try reading the FAILED.txt logfile, it usually tries to be very specific in telling you what is wrong, such as in this case Jul 14 17:21:23 yes. understood. Jul 14 17:21:33 thank you Jul 14 17:22:05 Shift: basically, when you encounter such logs, start at the bottom and go as far up until stuff seems normal. the first thing that says "error" or somesuch is usually the culprit, the rest just fails consequently. Jul 14 17:23:51 okay Jul 14 17:27:43 DocScrutinizer51: well, nolo can program cellmo somehow Jul 14 17:27:55 DocScrutinizer51: so it has to be connected Jul 14 17:30:50 and there is a question Jul 14 17:31:01 how to get into nolo interactive console Jul 14 17:33:07 hello Jul 14 17:33:35 thank's again Shapeshifter!! Finally it worked :) Jul 14 17:33:58 hey, anyone know how to fix fmms Jul 14 17:34:37 its bothering me, plus my gf sent me a pic! lol Jul 14 17:34:59 tell her to *mail* the pic Jul 14 17:35:04 mms suck Jul 14 17:35:35 it has an arbitrary restriction on message size, image resolution and movie resolution and duration Jul 14 17:35:48 lol i know but it worked before i reflashed Jul 14 17:36:29 ya figures, ill just set up gmail on the mail client Jul 14 17:37:26 btw i think im logged in as pauly upstairs on my pc lol Jul 14 17:49:56 moo Jul 14 17:50:00 moo Jul 14 17:50:30 * RST38h is running iostat for the last 12 hours Jul 14 17:52:21 could be interesting to see Jul 14 17:53:09 it looks like every write to MyDocs wakes up the thumbnailer though =( Jul 14 18:04:58 RST38h, wakes up the thumbnailer or tracker or both? Jul 14 18:06:22 internet at home \o/ Jul 14 18:08:15 thumnailer Jul 14 18:08:24 dunno about tracket, htop did not show it Jul 14 18:11:30 RST38h, potentially being woken by tracker which doesnt do that much whilst thumbnailing is a heavier process perhaps Jul 14 18:11:35 frals, w00000t Jul 14 18:12:38 SmartQ went Android. Jul 14 18:12:51 no surprises Jul 14 18:12:56 lcuk: may all these nice processes burn in hell. Jul 14 18:13:16 jacekowski: you're right - UART1 is RAPUYAMA, as is McBSP4 and DSS_DATAx Jul 14 18:13:30 RST38h, but without them we will never know that yoursong.mp3 was 2 minutes long Jul 14 18:13:48 you may one day wish to sort by track length Jul 14 18:13:49 I think pupnik found a way to disable the sucker Jul 14 18:13:56 then where will you be :p Jul 14 18:14:02 But of course it also requires a desktop button saying "Rescan media" Jul 14 18:15:02 Thumbnailing is unbelievably slow Jul 14 18:15:05 btw. there is one more flag Jul 14 18:15:07 sti-console Jul 14 18:15:24 It's worse than Finder.app pulling focus when it thumbnailed videos in 10.6.0 Jul 14 18:15:29 yeah it is GAN900 Jul 14 18:15:33 and Jul 14 18:15:40 DocScrutinizer: have you seen that message from nolo Jul 14 18:15:41 its a tough software problem Jul 14 18:15:48 [ 0.340] Initializing USB Jul 14 18:15:49 [ 0.348] No USB host detected Jul 14 18:16:09 jacekowski: lemme check again, good large screen now, and kbd/mouse :-P Jul 14 18:16:11 completely kills photo app usage too Jul 14 18:16:37 yeah RST38h Jul 14 18:16:39 you make two photos - and thn the thumbnailer kicks in and you are stuck with a non responding device Jul 14 18:16:47 i've lost my mouse Jul 14 18:16:52 somewhere between home and work Jul 14 18:17:14 RST38h, thumbing is done at much lower priority isnt it Jul 14 18:18:00 [ 0.147] Battery voltage 3.436 V, BSI: 0 -- :-P Jul 14 18:18:04 The Prio is a lie! Jul 14 18:18:10 DocScrutinizer: power supply Jul 14 18:18:17 DocScrutinizer: i had only + an - connected Jul 14 18:18:20 BSI looks odd Jul 14 18:18:21 ive spoken about this in the past - i think a potential workaround would be having the image application which is creating the photo should save a thumbnail itself from its own in memory data Jul 14 18:18:26 aah ok Jul 14 18:18:44 (in the case of swapping shit out) Jul 14 18:18:52 lcuk: it starts accessing the mmc - and then you are fucked, whatever priority it has been at Jul 14 18:18:54 weird it did boot nevertheless Jul 14 18:19:14 well Jul 14 18:19:15 [ 0.157] Disabling charging (no battery present) Jul 14 18:19:23 lol, ok Jul 14 18:19:29 RST38h, sure Jul 14 18:20:06 [ 0.333] Ãœber-cool backlight fade-in took 9 ms MUHAHA Jul 14 18:21:05 [ 0.429] Serial console enabled --- jacekowski this looks nice Jul 14 18:21:35 Ãœber-cool ? Jul 14 18:21:47 DocScrutinizer: well, it boots system straight away Jul 14 18:21:53 A fade-in over 9ms? Jul 14 18:21:53 what the f is this letter «Ü» Jul 14 18:21:55 DocScrutinizer: so i think you have to do something else as well Jul 14 18:21:57 it's a smiley Jul 14 18:21:57 That's so cool. Jul 14 18:22:24 jacekowski: probably fill UART RX FIFO with '.' Jul 14 18:23:08 ZogG: Ãœ is what you'd transscribe as ue Jul 14 18:23:29 so Ãœber is over Jul 14 18:23:38 or overly Jul 14 18:24:21 and other thing is Jul 14 18:24:49 that it looks like while flashing CMT Jul 14 18:24:55 nolo modifies that firmware Jul 14 18:25:32 Hi everyone. Is it possibl for the N900 to share its internet connection with my PC via USB or possibly even bluetooth (preferable USB)? I ask because my wireless card broke and Im too far from my router to pull a cable, but my N900 can connect just fine Jul 14 18:25:34 jacekowski: you know why Nokia is using that CAL shit? Simply because they have a universal CALibrating&testing software called Phoenix, that depends on this CAL shit, for things like ALS calibration and whatnot Jul 14 18:26:01 ALS? Jul 14 18:26:07 ~info ALS Jul 14 18:26:12 ~ALS Jul 14 18:26:13 i heard als is the atlanta linux showcase. http://www.linuxshowcase.org Jul 14 18:27:17 but going back to nolo and cmt Jul 14 18:27:18 jacekowski: I asked for FS-94 fixture at Nokia care, reply: "You need to be a certified Nokia competence partner to get access to that shit (piss off sucker)" Jul 14 18:28:01 nah, you just have to know people Jul 14 18:28:05 FS-94 comes with a dongle and stuff i thin Jul 14 18:28:06 k Jul 14 18:28:12 jacekowski: I'm planning to build ~20 fixtures 'manufactum' and sell Jul 14 18:28:43 btw. i saw a link for phonix someewhere Jul 14 18:29:05 Stskeeps: nope, dongle is separate, there are 2 or 3 versions, and for sure you have to pay for those as well. Needed to start Phoenix pile-o-BS Jul 14 18:29:17 dongle isn't a problem Jul 14 18:30:11 tbh. dongles are the worst protection at the moemnt Jul 14 18:30:16 anyway in the end we are the least interested in Phoenix. We want bootconsole Jul 14 18:30:25 partialy because of the way most of people implement them Jul 14 18:30:28 what you want access to is the serial pads, only interesting thing Jul 14 18:30:44 Stskeeps: well, we do have access to serial pads Jul 14 18:30:50 serial==bootconsole Jul 14 18:30:57 got output yet? Jul 14 18:31:00 yep Jul 14 18:31:05 k Jul 14 18:31:06 http://pastebin.com/1KSPhECy Jul 14 18:31:09 http://pastebin.com/1KSPhECy Jul 14 18:31:20 congrats :) Jul 14 18:31:29 Hail jacekowski Jul 14 18:31:35 well, 10 minutes with scope Jul 14 18:31:35 :) indeed, well done guys Jul 14 18:31:54 and another 10 with soldering iron to build simple level shifter Jul 14 18:31:56 lcuk: half way there Jul 14 18:32:08 now we neeed RX Jul 14 18:32:15 but there is that thing Jul 14 18:32:20 [ 0.121] SMB138C: Not loading driver (version reg. 0x4b) Jul 14 18:32:33 sure DocScrutinizer, but every step taken takes you closer to having fully used capable system Jul 14 18:32:34 and that SMB138C is very similiar to BQ24150 Jul 14 18:32:36 SMB138C Jul 14 18:32:42 mhm Jul 14 18:32:51 the n900 doesnt have as many unused bits as the n8x0 had Jul 14 18:33:11 there's [ 0.127] BQ24150 (rev. 3) found on I2C bus 1, address 0x6b in next line Jul 14 18:33:51 take a look at that Jul 14 18:33:52 http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg14345.html Jul 14 18:33:57 [ 0.001] Nokia OMAP Loader v1.4.1 (Mar 25 2009) running on Nokia N00 S2.0 Jul 14 18:33:58 (RX-51) Jul 14 18:34:03 [ 0.002] Nokia OMAP Loader v1.4.14 (Apr 22 2010) running on Nokia N900 F5 (RX- Jul 14 18:34:04 51) Jul 14 18:34:11 heh, you never had a N00? ;p Jul 14 18:34:21 anyway, who of you would be interested in a set of fixture, levelshifter, battery/psu ? Jul 14 18:34:42 and how much would you be willing to pay for it? Jul 14 18:34:45 i would be more interested in some sort of breakout box Jul 14 18:34:53 DocScrutinizer: i think a 30 eur kit could be interesting Jul 14 18:35:05 so i would have everything on easily accessible big terminals Jul 14 18:35:09 obviously i have a jig, but for others.. Jul 14 18:35:17 Stskeeps: sorry, then I have to pay same on top for each set Jul 14 18:35:23 hey, where is bootscreen manager from repos Jul 14 18:35:24 Stskeeps: you have a jig? Jul 14 18:35:42 Stskeeps: where have you bought it? Jul 14 18:35:54 lol :) Jul 14 18:36:07 jacekowski: Stskeeps has an official hacker position ;) Jul 14 18:36:14 jacekowski: didn't buy, there's advantages to being maemo.org contractor and i have to have one to do my job :P Jul 14 18:36:26 hey im in my car and realized that fm transmitter and charging dont work together any way around that? Jul 14 18:36:30 DocScrutinizer: what do you consider a fair price? Jul 14 18:36:33 X-Fade: he went to the darlk side of the power Jul 14 18:36:42 i'm quite good on that side Jul 14 18:36:43 :P Jul 14 18:36:45 who do you have to kill to became an official hacker Jul 14 18:36:55 DocScrutinizer: Yes, I meet Stskeeps there every oncein a while ;) Jul 14 18:36:55 well, besides selling my soul Jul 14 18:37:04 Stskeeps: so if your phone goes bad you can fix it then? Jul 14 18:37:15 Stskeeps: i'll have couple things for you to test Jul 14 18:37:24 jacekowski: yeah and i do really nasty things to it at times. i can't fix nolo problems though, i believe Jul 14 18:37:29 Stskeeps: dunno yet, need a BL-5C to kill, another one for powering, a levelshifter, and CNC-cut acrylic / pogopins etc Jul 14 18:37:50 a lot of these things get dramatically cheaper on numbers Jul 14 18:38:18 grr Jul 14 18:38:23 I think T-Mobile blocked my domain Jul 14 18:39:14 Stskeeps: one original BL-5C to slaughter is ~25EUR Jul 14 18:39:31 DocScrutinizer: Only for the terminals? Jul 14 18:39:36 will see if I get away with cheaper replicas Jul 14 18:39:42 X-Fade: yep Jul 14 18:39:44 DocScrutinizer: Then a $2 one will do just fine :) Jul 14 18:39:54 X-Fade: possibly Jul 14 18:40:09 DocScrutinizer: And you can even use almost any other nokia battery then too. Jul 14 18:40:32 that's why I can't say exact numbers. But CNC acrylic blocks alone aren't exactly an apple and an agg Jul 14 18:40:57 egg* Jul 14 18:41:20 .. what kind of design do you expect to have? Jul 14 18:41:22 though get drastically cheaper if you get 50 instead if 5 Jul 14 18:41:52 similar to FS-94 Jul 14 18:42:12 got a picture? Jul 14 18:42:20 at least I got a good photo :-P Jul 14 18:42:29 yep, in L3_4 Jul 14 18:43:06 you basically need something to attach to the battery pins, something hook-like can work, and then pins against the serial.. Jul 14 18:43:17 N900_RX51_SM_L3_4.pdf p.29 Jul 14 18:43:26 and a stable foundation to put this on .. and a hairban Jul 14 18:43:26 d Jul 14 18:43:35 yep Jul 14 18:44:13 look at the photo in ServiceManual_L3_4 Jul 14 18:44:21 yeah, i recall it Jul 14 18:45:10 why most of nokia development/software engineering are in india Jul 14 18:45:21 engineering jobs* Jul 14 18:45:34 or I register for a certified Nokia competence partner, and get the originals :-P Jul 14 18:45:45 for ~100EUR I'd guess Jul 14 18:46:34 jacekowski, there's a lot of them in Finland as well :) Jul 14 18:46:49 google has ZERO hits for Nokia FS-94 Jul 14 18:46:59 DocScrutinizer: take a look at FS-94 photo Jul 14 18:47:02 DocScrutinizer: and pins Jul 14 18:47:11 DocScrutinizer: these are probably serial pins Jul 14 18:47:12 lo TomaszD, still melting? Jul 14 18:47:13 I did, I did XP Jul 14 18:47:26 so Jul 14 18:47:32 one of them would be gnd - easy to find Jul 14 18:47:36 and one would be RX Jul 14 18:47:44 Stskeeps, hey Jul 14 18:47:54 nah Jul 14 18:48:22 jacekowski: exactly Jul 14 18:48:36 * luke-jr mutters Jul 14 18:48:49 * VDVsx is also melting :P Jul 14 18:48:57 jacekowski: beware: battery minus != GND!! Jul 14 18:49:11 but going insane otherwise, not sure why Jul 14 18:49:45 DocScrutinizer: i don't see where negative would be used in that phone Jul 14 18:49:50 DocScrutinizer: and what would generate it Jul 14 18:50:04 jacekowski: uh? Jul 14 18:50:37 ah Jul 14 18:50:38 nvm Jul 14 18:50:46 you said battery minus Jul 14 18:50:54 Stskeeps, met one of the guys that work in the adaptation team with you(can't remember the name :P) Jul 14 18:50:57 at akademy Jul 14 18:51:02 jacekowski: ust saying battery minus is not identical to general device GND level, there's RS in between Jul 14 18:52:53 VDVsx: ah, Sage / Marko? Jul 14 18:53:24 Stskeeps, exactly Sage :) Jul 14 18:53:24 well, I'll do a little gambling a say for 89EUR I can sell a set - fixture plus USB to lv-rs232, plus battery connector for original device bat for buffering, plus a simple charger to keep battery up on a comfy level Jul 14 18:54:13 maybe if UPS doesn't take 20 for shipping, I'll earn some 5 bucks per unit Jul 14 18:54:35 DocScrutinizer: i would be more interested in just a breakout thingy Jul 14 18:54:42 DocScrutinizer: without any electronics inside Jul 14 18:55:06 doesn't change things much. the expensive part is the mechanics Jul 14 18:55:29 the LV-RS232->USB is probably 5.99 Jul 14 18:56:48 well, and it would have to have full set of connectors Jul 14 18:56:50 for all pins Jul 14 18:57:01 can do Jul 14 18:57:28 soldering n 3 pogopins isn't much simpler to doing it with 20 Jul 14 18:58:06 pogopins are ~80ct/unit, in single qty Jul 14 18:58:33 the PCB to solder them on is always same price Jul 14 19:00:14 so add anothe 20 bucks and you get full set of contacts, even with 20cm wire attached Jul 14 19:00:15 :-P Jul 14 19:00:39 DocScrutinizer, i need your german skills Jul 14 19:01:12 lbt: Did a real-world test of Shopper last week Jul 14 19:01:14 hande hoh Jul 14 19:07:57 hmm. Jul 14 19:08:10 anybody knows what is $4 in mc-account set $acct string:local-ip-address=$4? Jul 14 19:08:16 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860 Jul 14 19:08:17 Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN Jul 14 19:08:27 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c29 Jul 14 19:08:28 Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN Jul 14 19:08:58 DocScrutinizer, www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUcSkrRFXpM Jul 14 19:09:01 i tried that shell script nokia.up and echoed $4 but it is a blank Jul 14 19:09:44 ZogG: ? Jul 14 19:09:57 DocScrutinizer translate please Jul 14 19:10:43 fiferboy: :) Jul 14 19:10:50 anybody understand shell scripts :) Jul 14 19:10:56 ZogG: the very first time I'm really really happy my flash plugin update borked the audio of my desktop system for flash Jul 14 19:11:03 trumee: who doesn't? Jul 14 19:11:06 trumee: it's the fourth argument passed to the shell interpreter Jul 14 19:11:12 DocScrutinizer =( Jul 14 19:11:13 lbt: Although I did end up with a bag of potato chips that was not on my list... Jul 14 19:11:30 trumee in russia scripts have to understand you Jul 14 19:11:37 trumee: $* is all arguments, $1 is program name, $2 is first argument, $3 second, $4 is fourth Jul 14 19:11:40 ask RST38h Jul 14 19:11:51 luke-jr: yup, but what is the fourth arguement being passed. i dont see any in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c29 Jul 14 19:11:52 Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN Jul 14 19:12:34 crashanddie: err what? Jul 14 19:12:42 trumee: $4 should equal string:proxy-host=vpn-host.example.com Jul 14 19:13:21 trumee: woops, sorry, no Jul 14 19:13:41 trumee: forget my previous line Jul 14 19:13:54 crashanddie: this is simpler version https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c44 Jul 14 19:13:55 Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN Jul 14 19:14:15 trumee: $0 is progname Jul 14 19:14:24 $1 is first parameter Jul 14 19:14:28 DocScrutinizer: oh is it? Jul 14 19:14:54 qqyes Jul 14 19:14:56 yes* Jul 14 19:15:03 crashanddie: does openvpn pass arguements to nokia.up script? Jul 14 19:15:13 ah yes, my bad, sorry for the confusion Jul 14 19:15:15 because i dont see any arguement otherwise Jul 14 19:15:43 jr@halley:~> function xx { Jul 14 19:15:45 > echo $1 Jul 14 19:15:46 > echo $2 Jul 14 19:15:48 > echo $0 Jul 14 19:15:49 > } Jul 14 19:15:51 jr@halley:~> xx 1 2 3 Jul 14 19:15:52 1 Jul 14 19:15:54 2 Jul 14 19:15:55 /bin/bash Jul 14 19:17:21 spammer Jul 14 19:17:38 so anybody who has used vpn could please explain me https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c44 Jul 14 19:17:39 Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN Jul 14 19:19:09 luke-jr: yoh, sorry. should have replaced a few \n by ; Jul 14 19:19:26 Just disassembled and reassembled my Dell Mini 9, had to replace the LCD panel. Jul 14 19:19:35 Was quite nice, a bit time consuming but quite easy Jul 14 19:19:54 ~seen drgrov Jul 14 19:19:55 drgrov <~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21h 59m 7s ago, saying: 'luke-jr: I do tons of phone calls each day and I really depend on call forwarding to work since if I run out of battery it will nicely revert it to my work phone or vice versa'. Jul 14 19:20:33 * DocScrutinizer burps Jul 14 19:25:13 is there a way to rightclick and middleclick with the vnc viewer? Jul 14 19:26:58 also, is there a way to rotate the view? Jul 14 19:27:01 or to stretch it Jul 14 19:29:33 fiferboy: bug or feature? :D Jul 14 19:29:41 lbt: Feature! Jul 14 19:30:21 hello Jul 14 19:30:29 * lbt adds "New feature: Blame shopper for randomly adding items to your list" Jul 14 19:30:39 i can't dist-upgrade my n900 Jul 14 19:31:10 sepultina: that's a bad idea anyway Jul 14 19:31:11 Error Output is: python2.5-minimal: Depends: pymaemo-optify but it is not going to be installed Jul 14 19:32:12 sepultina: that's the reason why dist-upgrade is deprecated Jul 14 19:32:17 alterego: i use only apt for all. Is this so wrong? Jul 14 19:32:42 Only really bad for dist-upgrade really. Jul 14 19:32:48 It wont work. Jul 14 19:32:59 Or if it doesn, it might not work properly. Jul 14 19:33:05 s/doesn/does/ Jul 14 19:33:05 alterego meant: Or if it does, it might not work properly. Jul 14 19:33:19 hmmm Jul 14 19:34:06 jacekowski: is the picture of FS-94 in line with what you founf for serial-pads? Jul 14 19:34:19 DocScrutinizer: yes Jul 14 19:34:26 that's why i mentioned it Jul 14 19:34:34 :-) Jul 14 19:34:39 DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports Jul 14 19:38:17 DocScrutinizer: i've added all info there Jul 14 19:38:49 just got a headache parsing it :-D Jul 14 19:41:11 jacekowski: what means "According to my measurements with DMM (Digital Multi Meter) the following pads are ground" ? What did you do and read exactly for a pad to qualify for GND? Jul 14 19:41:16 DocScrutinizer: that's not mine Jul 14 19:41:21 ooh Jul 14 19:42:28 SpeedEvil: is that you? Jul 14 19:42:52 no Jul 14 19:42:56 wajt Jul 14 19:43:06 oh Jul 14 19:43:15 I have not touched my devices pads with a DMM Jul 14 19:43:26 rambo Jul 14 19:43:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Hardware_Hacking&diff=36478&oldid=35583 Jul 14 19:44:00 i've added signature under mine Jul 14 19:44:50 EHLO SpeedEvil Jul 14 19:45:08 * SpeedEvil ponders going back to sleep Jul 14 19:45:19 502 error command not recogized Jul 14 19:45:24 recognized* Jul 14 19:45:28 nah, now is blue hour. best hour of the day Jul 14 19:45:40 blue? Jul 14 19:46:51 well, i could take my phone apart and do some more accurate measurments Jul 14 19:47:01 and i could probably xray it Jul 14 19:47:20 on proper electronics xray Jul 14 19:47:39 but that would probably void warranty Jul 14 19:48:16 i'll make a call tomorrow Jul 14 19:48:20 and maybe erase flash and depolarize microphone electrete membrane Jul 14 19:49:18 xray isn't that harmless to electrnics as it is to humans ;-P Jul 14 19:51:11 also believe me you'll get mad on 6..8 layer PCB Jul 14 19:52:08 there's been a mad dentist on tmo who alrady did xray shots Jul 14 19:52:29 Simply sand the PCB lightly, and then take a photo. Repeat until all the way through Jul 14 19:52:47 that's the russian way Jul 14 19:52:47 (may void warranty more than xray) Jul 14 19:53:05 they copied zilog Z80 this way Jul 14 19:53:49 and en passant found 16 new undocumented commands, while REing the silicon Jul 14 19:54:30 ok, they did the 'photos' with a electron microscope Jul 14 19:55:30 nah, the 'industry standard' procedure for this is to unsolder all components and place the PCB on a nailbed tester Jul 14 19:56:25 How do i create subfolders where i have all the programs etc? Jul 14 19:56:50 And move stuff there? Jul 14 19:57:53 DocScrutinizer: hmmm, we have jtag Jul 14 19:57:57 DocScrutinizer: well, there should be jtag Jul 14 19:58:09 DocScrutinizer: are jtag pins shared with gpio pins? Jul 14 19:58:30 if yes then we can use boundary scan Jul 14 19:58:34 and get everything Jul 14 19:58:41 * Arkenoi had never seen russian z80, all russian hardware had imported z80 cpus Jul 14 19:58:48 Smeghead: check out apmefo application Jul 14 19:59:08 there was russian made i8080 which was pretty widespread Jul 14 19:59:17 jacekowski: obviously nope. you can't have dual function on JTAG Jul 14 19:59:29 DocScrutinizer: you can Jul 14 19:59:30 n900 nub i have the maemo repository added can i find it under application managedr? Jul 14 19:59:37 DocScrutinizer: avr's do have dual function Jul 14 19:59:44 Arkenoi: these were made in polan Jul 14 19:59:46 poland* Jul 14 19:59:48 Arkenoi: in CEMI Jul 14 19:59:51 jacekowski: yes you can, but then you can't JTAG that GPIO Jul 14 20:00:14 i JTAGed her GPIO Jul 14 20:00:26 Arkenoi: GDR made U280, that was a Z80 clone Jul 14 20:00:33 Hi everyone. Is it possibl for the N900 to share its internet connection with a PC via USB or possibly even bluetooth (preferable USB)? I ask because my wireless card broke and Im too far from my router to pull a cable, but my N900 can connect just fine. Jul 14 20:00:36 Arkenoi: USSR also made Z80s at the end Jul 14 20:00:37 thats just mumbojumbo to me can you be more specific :) Jul 14 20:00:53 Roaziel: not with stock kernel Jul 14 20:01:00 Roaziel: but power kernel can do it Jul 14 20:01:23 Im sorry. I dont even know what that is -_- Jul 14 20:01:27 Roaziel: yeah Jul 14 20:01:28 Arkenoi: I do not remember the series, it was something like K1819 or K1826 Jul 14 20:01:41 install the power kernel, set up USB networking, enable ip forwarding, and tell your OS to use the n900 as the gateway Jul 14 20:01:44 Smeghead: go wiki.maemo.org, learn about extras-testing and extras-devel repos. read and *understand* the warnings. Add repos, apmefo is in devel afaik Jul 14 20:01:44 it *should* work Jul 14 20:01:52 RST38h, hmm, i've seen some Robotron's dissected and all had Zilog CPUs inside Jul 14 20:02:20 Roaziel: you can also simply tether using the phone, like any other phone.This is not sharing the internet connection though, it's using the phone as a modem Jul 14 20:02:26 Arkenoi: but after communism fell government decided to get rid of everything and that's how CEMI was just closed Jul 14 20:02:28 thanks Jul 14 20:02:36 tether? Jul 14 20:02:58 Arkenoi: Does not exclude their own production Jul 14 20:03:10 Roaziel: What OS are you using, and can you easily plugin a 3G dongle, and have it work? Jul 14 20:03:18 Arkenoi: it's not that hard to copy a chip Jul 14 20:03:32 If you can, then you can simply connect the n900 in the same way if you click 'pc suite' mode when you plug it in Jul 14 20:03:34 Arkenoi: you just need FIB workstation Jul 14 20:03:42 I have Windows 7... and I have no idea since Ive never tried Jul 14 20:04:11 Arkenoi: later the ebargo was a lil bit lifted, when Z80 became obsolete. So imported chips were cheaper Jul 14 20:04:13 jacekowski, the most complicated one made by Soviets was i386 clone that did never get to mass production Jul 14 20:04:16 jacekowski: how many chips have you copied? Jul 14 20:04:30 none Jul 14 20:04:34 I see Jul 14 20:04:40 i just roughly know how it's done Jul 14 20:04:52 and if you have equipment and time it's easy Jul 14 20:06:03 Roaziel: connect N900, select "PC mode" from menu on N900. Set ub GPRS-modem in windows Jul 14 20:06:19 set up* Jul 14 20:06:35 * Roaziel Googles Jul 14 20:06:40 jacekowski: modulo the size of the chip. A large chip is neither cheap nor easy tosetup the masks for Jul 14 20:06:55 DocScrutinizer: i've made a call and i can get somebody to make a photos with proper electronics inspection x-ray Jul 14 20:07:07 DocScrutinizer: problem is that he's on far far north Jul 14 20:07:09 Roaziel: just go ahead! google when something is unclear :-D Jul 14 20:08:06 jacekowski: keep it under 40keV Jul 14 20:08:18 iirc Jul 14 20:08:32 I did :P Jul 14 20:08:36 you might want to google for energy of xray that erases flash Jul 14 20:09:54 well, there is one electronics place in town Jul 14 20:09:58 jacekowski: for the mic I think it's maybe no electret anymode, since it got digital Jul 14 20:10:01 and they might have x-ray as well Jul 14 20:10:19 My Googling results in only a pages on how to set up GPRS-modem on MAC computers :S Jul 14 20:11:10 Roaziel: I'm a total windoze noob, but aiui you'll see some wizard on windows on plugging in N900 in PC suite mode Jul 14 20:11:35 DocScrutinizer: electret microphones are out of use for very long time Jul 14 20:11:42 DocScrutinizer: it's all capacitive now Jul 14 20:11:51 DocScrutinizer: at least the cheaper ones Jul 14 20:12:05 i guess you need also enable ip forwarding and set up iptables nat on n900 to get internet connection shared Jul 14 20:12:08 hi. is there a way to connect with n900 to a dialup internet provider? Jul 14 20:12:17 jacekowski: orly? I have a few devices here, about 18 months old, which are equipped with electret Jul 14 20:12:24 DocScrutinizer: srsly? Jul 14 20:12:32 DocScrutinizer: oO Jul 14 20:12:42 srsly, I "built" them Jul 14 20:12:45 ok Jul 14 20:12:48 this forca app Jul 14 20:12:51 Doc, actually it just poped up a notification and installed drivers and stuff and it was done.... Jul 14 20:12:52 hmmm, nvm Jul 14 20:12:57 i don't think their weather is accurate Jul 14 20:13:06 went smoothly Jul 14 20:13:08 i was thinking that electret is resistive Jul 14 20:13:14 electret is capacitive Jul 14 20:13:24 Roaziel: so probably you got a new internet connection now Jul 14 20:14:19 spam Jul 14 20:14:30 b-man17: huh? Jul 14 20:14:39 maps Jul 14 20:14:42 hm O_O Jul 14 20:14:57 what spam? Jul 14 20:15:00 DocScrutinizer, well, that's what happens when you trick someone into using /wallchan Jul 14 20:15:09 MohammadAG told me to type /wallchan spam in #xceleo Jul 14 20:15:12 XDDD Jul 14 20:15:16 lol Jul 14 20:15:24 what's wallchan? Jul 14 20:15:32 sends a message to all channels Jul 14 20:15:33 LOL Jul 14 20:15:46 all the currently joined channels? Jul 14 20:15:49 or *all* the channels? Jul 14 20:15:53 almost impossible to tell from the name ... Jul 14 20:16:02 * xnt14 considers himself lucky that he's running irssi atm :P Jul 14 20:16:04 all joined channels Jul 14 20:16:08 oh Jul 14 20:16:09 boring Jul 14 20:16:09 ~attack MohammadAG_ Jul 14 20:16:10 :( Jul 14 20:16:10 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG_ Jul 14 20:16:19 ~kill MohammadAG_ Jul 14 20:16:20 * infobot shoots a ionized anti-positrino gun at MohammadAG_ Jul 14 20:16:24 hmm Jul 14 20:16:24 I highly doubt I have a new internet connection... Jul 14 20:16:46 actually Jul 14 20:16:47 ~wallchan Jul 14 20:16:57 wallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers Jul 14 20:17:12 infobot: wallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers Jul 14 20:17:39 guess you need +o to tell infobot stuff ;P Jul 14 20:18:01 b-man17: nah, you need secret master wisdom Jul 14 20:18:21 and a 12 dan Jul 14 20:18:22 heh Jul 14 20:18:41 btw is there dhcpd for n900? or even a package with nice gui that makes it listen on usb interface by default? Jul 14 20:18:44 you need a , not a : Jul 14 20:18:53 infobot, b-man17 Jul 14 20:19:08 Arkenoi: just set up a static IP address Jul 14 20:19:18 ~wallchan Jul 14 20:19:18 wallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers Jul 14 20:19:19 Hold on hold on.... This "Tethering" thing.. does it mean that it would be using the 2G connection on my phone?? Cos I cant do that, thats slow and expensive... I wanna share the wifi connection my phone has already with the wireless router we have... Jul 14 20:19:43 i think that should work Jul 14 20:19:48 you need to enable NAT Jul 14 20:20:05 unless... Jul 14 20:20:08 you can enable bridging Jul 14 20:20:13 kerio: well, that's simple, but if you use more than one computer and sometimes not yours dhcpd would be better Jul 14 20:20:25 you need to install drivers Jul 14 20:20:28 kerio: forget that Jul 14 20:20:31 and set up a network interface Jul 14 20:20:38 at that point, i assume you *are* root Jul 14 20:20:40 Roaziel, you may share any connection Jul 14 20:20:45 If I had a second computer I would use it to bridge the connection. But I dont. I just have my N900... Jul 14 20:20:49 DocScrutinizer: what? Jul 14 20:21:06 Roaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it Jul 14 20:21:42 Good afternoon. I'm trying to install libqjson as a normal user would do (by clicking in the file in file browser). But I'm getting "Unable to install, incompatible application package". I googled to no avail for this issue. Anyone could give some clues? Jul 14 20:21:44 I just want my computer to be able to get internet access through my phones wifi connection. Jul 14 20:22:01 ... if its possible Jul 14 20:22:17 Roaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it Jul 14 20:22:46 lol Jul 14 20:22:50 damnit Jul 14 20:22:59 why does Windows's DHCP fail so much Jul 14 20:23:07 why does Windows fail so much Jul 14 20:23:19 why does windows Jul 14 20:23:21 Roaziel, so you have two wifi networks? Jul 14 20:23:35 what?.. no. I have one wifi network Jul 14 20:23:53 Roaziel, so you have a wifi network, but your computer can't access it? Jul 14 20:23:55 MohammadAG_: windows fails at DNS for me... -_- Jul 14 20:23:58 Roaziel: get a 10$ wifi dongle for USB, and smile Jul 14 20:24:12 Something like that, yes... Jul 14 20:24:16 I can use my wifi card Jul 14 20:24:19 *cant Jul 14 20:24:22 Why not? Jul 14 20:24:26 ... Because :P Jul 14 20:24:28 lol Jul 14 20:24:30 xnt14, windows fails for me Jul 14 20:24:30 it can't find the dns server, this is why I hate the network manager... Jul 14 20:24:50 I'm in a good mood to cp * on my windows drive and mkfs.ext4 the whole drive Jul 14 20:24:58 MohammadAG_: Microsoft fails in general Jul 14 20:25:16 windows has this crap called err - freud knows why I don't Jul 14 20:25:19 hmm Jul 14 20:25:30 zeroconf? nooo Jul 14 20:25:39 avahi!!! >:-(( Jul 14 20:25:40 Hey guys Jul 14 20:25:41 the wifi thin g? Jul 14 20:25:43 nah, zeroconf is osx's Jul 14 20:25:45 thing Jul 14 20:25:56 hm, default N900 kernel has no bridge or bridgeutils Jul 14 20:26:10 Anyone know how I can connect to my dedi servers' SSH using my N900 x-term Jul 14 20:26:37 technomike, install openssh, open x-terminal, type "ssh user@dediserv" Jul 14 20:26:39 technomike: ssh technokike@dedi.com Jul 14 20:26:47 many thanks guys Jul 14 20:27:06 I was typing that without installing openssh first! :P Jul 14 20:27:34 Roaziel: if you're ok with using a proxy, ssh -D $port root@192.168.2.15 Jul 14 20:27:44 o0 Jul 14 20:27:45 it'll open a SOCKS proxy on localhost:$port Jul 14 20:27:48 whats that? Jul 14 20:27:52 (from your computer) Jul 14 20:27:57 kerio: you're *evil* Jul 14 20:28:01 DocScrutinizer: what? Jul 14 20:28:02 :o Jul 14 20:28:38 kerio: please try to understand level / skills of the person you give advice to Jul 14 20:28:46 DocScrutinizer: he bought a n900 Jul 14 20:28:52 * Roaziel doesnt do it cos it sounds suspicious o_O Jul 14 20:28:52 he'd need to setup usb networking too Jul 14 20:29:03 hmm, yup. So go ahead :-P Jul 14 20:29:05 if he can't mildly RTFM from a wiki, he should sell it asap Jul 14 20:29:47 Roaziel: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Jul 14 20:29:55 first get a working link between computer and n900 Jul 14 20:29:59 then we'll think about going outside of that Jul 14 20:30:19 next month Jul 14 20:30:21 :-D Jul 14 20:30:23 hmm, ok Jul 14 20:30:26 i'll have speak to people at local uni Jul 14 20:31:35 DocScrutinizer: in all seriousness though Jul 14 20:31:49 the n900 is *definetely* not a phone for lusers Jul 14 20:31:49 * DocScrutinizer ducks Jul 14 20:32:08 -_- Jul 14 20:32:28 Roaziel: ever used linux? Jul 14 20:32:31 please tell me you did Jul 14 20:32:36 very little Jul 14 20:32:44 hrmpf Jul 14 20:32:50 be nice Jul 14 20:32:53 kerio: see what I meant Jul 14 20:33:19 N900 is the only phone I know of that has full flash support in its browser and a contact application that spans so well. Thats why I like it... plus the multitasking is neat. Jul 14 20:33:23 kerio: that's not exactly helpful in any way Jul 14 20:33:23 Well, whether it's for "lusers" or not is kinda irrelevant, as what he wants to do is way beyond the usual use profile :) Jul 14 20:33:45 Any comments on how to dial/send sms through terminal ,on N900 ? Jul 14 20:33:47 Roaziel: once you have a working network link between computer and n900, you need to find a way to use the n900's connection to the 'net from the computer Jul 14 20:34:10 isnt there a paid for wifi hotspot app Jul 14 20:34:11 kerio: or simply... Jul 14 20:34:19 that just turn on and connect to from any other wifi device Jul 14 20:34:20 Roaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it Jul 14 20:34:32 * lcuk remembers seeing something Jul 14 20:34:33 lol Jul 14 20:34:40 joikuspot Jul 14 20:34:46 lcuk: he doesn't want to use the data connection Jul 14 20:34:48 thanks MohammadAG51 Jul 14 20:34:53 he wants to use the wifi connection Jul 14 20:35:01 and mobilehotspot > joikuspot Jul 14 20:35:01 over USB Jul 14 20:35:09 hmm, some jtag pins are dual mode Jul 14 20:35:14 jtag_emu0 Jul 14 20:35:18 useless Jul 14 20:35:18 kerio, joikuspot will turn n900 into an AP to connect normally i think Jul 14 20:35:22 * DocScrutinizer sighs Jul 14 20:35:30 lcuk: that's not the point here Jul 14 20:35:31 and a heater Jul 14 20:35:34 whichever app it bloody is, its a use case people pay to have Jul 14 20:35:43 it's not that use case! Jul 14 20:35:51 he wants to use the n900 as a wifi adapter Jul 14 20:35:59 kerio, actually, what i just read was: Jul 14 20:35:59 I just want my computer to be able to get internet access through my phones wifi connection. Jul 14 20:35:59 * choppa has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 14 20:35:59 ... if its possible Jul 14 20:36:09 lcuk: using N900 as a wifi dongle is a rather pointless usecase anyway Jul 14 20:36:10 which sounds pretty much like what i just described Jul 14 20:37:09 lcuk, he wants to do computer - usb - N900 - wifi - internet. Joikuspot/MobileHotSpot does: computer - wifi - n900 - gsm/3g - internet Jul 14 20:38:04 ok, hes screwed - sorrt Roaziel take their advice ;) its difficult Jul 14 20:38:14 Yeah, many people ask for that feature Jul 14 20:38:33 Why would you use a $600 phone to do the job of a $10 usb wifi adapter... Jul 14 20:38:35 :/ Jul 14 20:38:41 [2010-07-14 22:23:58] Roaziel: get a 10$ wifi dongle for USB, and smile Jul 14 20:38:41 Hahaha true Jul 14 20:39:02 ShadowJK: it's a pretty kickass USB dongle Jul 14 20:39:09 this is linux: do not ask WHY someone should do something Jul 14 20:39:17 with an optional software firewall Jul 14 20:39:18 lol Jul 14 20:39:22 the normal answer is because we can :P Jul 14 20:39:30 it's definetely possible Jul 14 20:39:35 this time, it will take a ninja! Jul 14 20:39:36 quite easily, if you accept a bit of compromise Jul 14 20:40:00 Yes it's possible, but you need a kernel with bridging support, and you need bridge utils, and you need usb networking :P Jul 14 20:40:17 doesn't iptables do that? Jul 14 20:40:18 :( Jul 14 20:40:24 someone should definitely do it :P Jul 14 20:40:24 kerio: build a package, direct Roaziel to the URL to download :-P Jul 14 20:40:25 lol Jul 14 20:40:56 kerio, well iptables will do if you insert NAT into the picture somewhere :) Jul 14 20:41:15 Roaziel: after long considerations, we came to the conclusion that you should buy a 10€ usb/wifi dongle Jul 14 20:41:17 kerio: don't preach latin here, please Jul 14 20:41:44 Meh... ok. Thanks :P Jul 14 20:42:00 If you had to choose one app, what app is your favourite on N900 / Maemo Jul 14 20:42:21 x-term Jul 14 20:42:28 Roaziel: my advice would be to RTFM though Jul 14 20:42:33 learn how to do it Jul 14 20:42:33 technomike, gcc Jul 14 20:42:36 learn how to make it easy Jul 14 20:42:39 make a software to automate it Jul 14 20:42:41 distribute it Jul 14 20:42:47 get rich and famous Jul 14 20:42:47 lcuk: do you really run compiler on the phone? Jul 14 20:42:50 or possibly just famous Jul 14 20:42:53 or maybe not even that Jul 14 20:42:58 jacekowski, have done since n810 days, why? Jul 14 20:43:26 kerio: you'll get famous by those (last) words on IRC :-P Jul 14 20:43:31 well, i upgraded my old server to 4 core xeon beast Jul 14 20:43:41 because compilation took too long Jul 14 20:44:03 jacekowski, so, running make on most of my projects takes ~3-20seconds Jul 14 20:44:08 well within frustration time Jul 14 20:44:09 http://jacekowski.org/cgi-bin/monitorix.cgi?mode=localhost&graph=all&when=day&color=black Jul 14 20:44:13 jacekowski: you'll probably not want to build OOo on N900 Jul 14 20:44:29 ubuntu is so going downhill Jul 14 20:44:35 DocScrutinizer: some would say that you don't want to build OOo anywhere Jul 14 20:44:36 :P Jul 14 20:44:41 lucid's like the vista of ubuntu Jul 14 20:44:50 well, it takes less than 20 minutes to build chromium on my server ( faster than maemo.org builder ) Jul 14 20:44:57 MohammadAG_: ooh, didn't know it could get any lower Jul 14 20:45:26 jacekowski, yeah it would, probably take about a week on n900 Jul 14 20:45:34 do you have sources? Jul 14 20:45:40 i mean compilable sources Jul 14 20:45:40 jacekowski, i dont want them Jul 14 20:45:50 and i think it would have a problem Jul 14 20:45:50 DocScrutinizer, I can only use vesa to start X on lucid on my lappy Jul 14 20:45:56 oo.o requires a lot of memory Jul 14 20:45:56 MohammadAG_: is it normal when my invitation already has my garage pubkey? Jul 14 20:46:40 jacekowski, we have ~600mhz processor, probably more computing power than what took man to the moon Jul 14 20:47:09 probably? PROBABLY?? Jul 14 20:47:17 probably Jul 14 20:47:26 you know about their 'computers'? Jul 14 20:47:46 they used c64s Jul 14 20:47:49 or something like that Jul 14 20:48:11 it had the power of a programmable pocket calculator (maybe TI) of ~1980 Jul 14 20:48:49 DocScrutinizer, hmm, problem seems similar to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux/+bug/566379 Jul 14 20:49:01 DocScrutinizer, oh and the invitation is tied to the garage account Jul 14 20:49:22 DocScrutinizer: TI!?!?!?!? that's not a calculator ;) Jul 14 20:49:30 yep, but I wonder why they ask for my pubkey which is already there Jul 14 20:49:31 HP now they made calculators Jul 14 20:49:46 asj_: ACK! Jul 14 20:50:28 * DocScrutinizer drools over his HP42 app on N900 and Freerunner Jul 14 20:50:49 DocScrutinizer, default template stuff? you need the pubkey for dput Jul 14 20:50:53 though HP's keys were much much better Jul 14 20:50:58 hmm, phoenix require drivers to install Jul 14 20:51:07 hmm, let's see Jul 14 20:51:08 that's evil Jul 14 20:51:24 jacekowski: evil hAxx0r Jul 14 20:52:40 If only I could get my ass up to do some simple lines of shellscript. But it's tooooo hot Jul 14 20:52:57 DocScrutinizer: your ass does shell scripting? Jul 14 20:53:02 what a smart ass! Jul 14 20:53:07 >:P Jul 14 20:53:15 yeah, even at night when I'm asleep Jul 14 20:53:58 now that few lines are really so simple evem my smart ass can do Jul 14 20:55:22 seeya, need a cofe and 5L icewater Jul 14 20:55:28 coffee Jul 14 20:57:30 yay, my graphics chipset finally works in lucid :D Jul 14 20:57:46 now I can offload X off of my CPU (was using vesa) Jul 14 20:58:54 ubuntu MohammadAG Jul 14 20:59:04 ~ubuntu MohammadAG Jul 14 20:59:05 * infobot lovingly explains to MohammadAG in a way that causes MohammadAG to weep with gratitude that MohammadAG must read the fine, friendly manual Jul 14 20:59:06 even Jul 14 20:59:35 ~debian DocScrutinizer Jul 14 20:59:36 * infobot tells DocScrutinizer to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Jul 14 20:59:50 or just Jul 14 20:59:54 ~ubuntu Jul 14 20:59:55 i heard ubuntu is caca from this ass http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg Jul 14 20:59:59 ehhh, that dongle in phoenix is sooo lame Jul 14 21:00:29 hax0r hax0r HAXX0R Jul 14 21:01:51 hmm, missing files seems to be bigger problem Jul 14 21:01:56 DocScrutinizer, correct me if i am wrong, but isnt that pix technically NSFW and therefore not suitable for posting Jul 14 21:02:18 phoenix_jace-hax0r-cowski edition Jul 14 21:02:44 I posted a pix? Jul 14 21:03:12 not even looked at it :-P Jul 14 21:03:30 ~factinfo ubuntu Jul 14 21:03:30 ubuntu -- last modified at Tue Oct 25 18:33:34 2005 by sinplomo; it has been requested 5 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 3m 35s ago. Jul 14 21:04:22 It was a picture that Ubuntu used some time, that got them into trouble. It's got three butts in it. Jul 14 21:05:01 mhm XP Jul 14 21:05:12 LOL Jul 14 21:05:24 lcuk, tbh I kinda expected it to be nsfw Jul 14 21:05:57 that's my favourite when it comes to BuntKuh: http://xkcd.com/424/ Jul 14 21:06:05 * PerfDave tends to assume that anything posted on IRC is NSFW :) Jul 14 21:06:37 I'm pretty sure Ubuntu wasn't using the butt picture ever. The calendar pictures were a lot classier. Jul 14 21:06:51 DocScrutinizer: what about http://goatkcd.com/424/ ? (can be very nsfw, depending on your desensitiveness) Jul 14 21:08:16 kerio: I don't click links with *goat* Jul 14 21:08:18 * lcuk does a triple facepalm Jul 14 21:08:36 DocScrutinizer: good point Jul 14 21:08:54 I don't click any links with /b/ Jul 14 21:09:37 * MohammadAG slaps lcuk's forehead Jul 14 21:09:44 that counts as a facepalm right? Jul 14 21:09:54 lol Jul 14 21:10:06 e continues with triple facepalm and slaps MohammadAG with frals Jul 14 21:10:07 MohammadAG: both the face and the palm should be from the same person Jul 14 21:10:17 what's the IRC variant of bullshit bingo? Jul 14 21:10:38 cowshit bingo? Jul 14 21:10:39 trollball Jul 14 21:10:54 requires 1-2 ops and a troll Jul 14 21:11:04 gnhnhnhnhn Jul 14 21:11:09 it's more entertaining with 2 ops Jul 14 21:11:10 * DocScrutinizer cackles Jul 14 21:11:17 ChanServ counts right? Jul 14 21:11:22 nope Jul 14 21:11:51 :-P Jul 14 21:12:19 infobot, kick DocScrutinizer Jul 14 21:12:19 now "what could I *possibly* do with THAAAAT???" Jul 14 21:12:20 * infobot kicks DocScrutinizer Jul 14 21:12:25 LOL Jul 14 21:12:29 it also requires that the troll is really clueless and an idiot that preferably has autojoin on kick on Jul 14 21:12:40 whois wall[e] Jul 14 21:12:52 i'm a troll Jul 14 21:12:55 and i have autojoin! Jul 14 21:13:23 kerio: autojoin on kick? Jul 14 21:13:25 kerio, you arent good enough to be a full troll, perhaps a proto-troll or something Jul 14 21:13:39 if you work hard you will one day grow up to be a big troll Jul 14 21:13:39 s/autojoin/autorejoin/ Jul 14 21:13:40 Myrtti meant: kerio: autorejoin on kick? Jul 14 21:13:41 Myrtti: wait, we got such troll lately :-D Jul 14 21:13:55 this look promise http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58402 Jul 14 21:14:15 aw CRAP I clicked the link Jul 14 21:14:16 Myrtti: well, autojoin period Jul 14 21:14:21 znc with stickychan and autojoin Jul 14 21:14:42 * Myrtti waits for firefox to launch Jul 14 21:15:16 konttori: moinmoin Jul 14 21:15:35 :) Jul 14 21:16:33 bb Jul 14 21:16:34 konttori: join in on a nice little game of trollball? Myrtti is about to explain the rules :-D Jul 14 21:16:53 * konttori us just about to go to sleep Jul 14 21:16:57 so, alas, no Jul 14 21:17:08 DocScrutinizer, now now, don't spam #maemo :P Jul 14 21:17:26 starting to get silly Jul 14 21:17:58 too hot to even fall asleep Jul 14 21:18:26 I guess konttori has a marginally better climate over there Jul 14 21:18:54 no, same thing over here as well. all windows open, still a hellhole Jul 14 21:19:12 but, back to trying to fall asleep Jul 14 21:19:31 yeah 30°C at midnight, that's insane Jul 14 21:19:43 konttori: good luck Jul 14 21:19:47 I had a magnificent idea just before going to bed and now it's haunting me Jul 14 21:20:04 zzz Jul 14 21:20:10 konttori, :) take some notes Jul 14 21:20:14 or sleep \@/ Jul 14 21:20:21 konfoo: like cooling N900 by liquid nitrogen? Jul 14 21:20:32 oops Jul 14 21:20:41 sorry konfoo - ETAB Jul 14 21:20:58 hmmm, jtag doesn't require two way communication if i just want to send one command? Jul 14 21:21:06 and i'm not interested in feedback Jul 14 21:21:10 yep Jul 14 21:21:16 E0x, nice Jul 14 21:21:25 it's basically a veeery long shiftregister Jul 14 21:21:38 then we could try to bruteforce all pins Jul 14 21:21:40 for jtag Jul 14 21:21:52 actually you could Jul 14 21:22:04 haha, 24C here :P Jul 14 21:22:42 MohammadAG: you're living next to equator, it's known there are mostly icebergs Jul 14 21:23:00 and then just send stupid "halt" command Jul 14 21:23:15 so it would be easily noticeable when it was accepted Jul 14 21:23:32 jacekowski: check out how those dudes bruteforce-JTAGed several routers Jul 14 21:23:47 DocScrutinizer, nah, I'm far from the equator :P Jul 14 21:24:21 * DocScrutinizer fires up Marble Jul 14 21:25:50 hmm, 30°N Jul 14 21:32:28 there is like 28 pins Jul 14 21:32:36 pads* Jul 14 21:33:31 don't bother looking for jtag Jul 14 21:33:33 3 are know to be serial related, 4 are gnd Jul 14 21:33:35 Stskeeps: why? Jul 14 21:33:40 it's not there Jul 14 21:33:41 :P Jul 14 21:33:50 how do you know? Jul 14 21:34:01 i don't have a plug like that, so Jul 14 21:34:02 where is jtag then? Jul 14 21:34:11 maybe you don't deserve it? Jul 14 21:34:16 how does nokia fix broken nolo? Jul 14 21:34:35 serial Jul 14 21:34:39 Which isn't JTAG Jul 14 21:35:19 STI/XTI interfaces exist according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Core_Domain Jul 14 21:36:02 yay got gcc 4.4 kernel booting Jul 14 21:36:09 nfc how to test whether DSP works tho Jul 14 21:40:08 hmm i could use that serial wire debug Jul 14 21:48:28 *Serial port: Available for R&D use. -- mhm Jul 14 21:49:21 r&d mode Jul 14 21:49:45 you need to set some flag too Jul 14 21:49:53 serial-console Jul 14 21:50:05 Stskeeps: btw, my punishment for playing with DNS tunnels: T-Mobile's DNS servers refuse to resolve dashjr.org now :( Jul 14 21:51:13 any1 buy a Nokia genuine BL-5J from dealextreme? Is it legit? Jul 14 21:53:08 The following components external to OMAP are supported: ... Ethernet (R&D use). o.O Jul 14 21:53:27 can I make a replacement battery with a Paksis? Jul 14 21:54:40 Stskeeps: besides, you look like nokia has sent you to delay any development Jul 14 21:54:47 ~dict paksis Jul 14 21:54:49 could not find definition for paksis Jul 14 21:55:14 jacekowski: what? Jul 14 21:55:40 you just seem to always tell everybody that this is not going to work Jul 14 21:55:54 DocScrutinizer: it's a super energy source with a will of its own :D Jul 14 21:56:27 jacekowski: and keeping you from wasting valuable time? don't be paranoid Jul 14 21:58:24 Stskeeps: FYI: ext2 execute-in-place breaks Maemo :P Jul 14 21:59:38 im trying to interest someone in porting this to diablo Jul 14 21:59:42 http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/ Jul 14 22:00:00 it might be a chore Jul 14 22:00:44 Stskeeps is evil Jul 14 22:00:52 Trying to keep the working stiff down! Jul 14 22:01:07 Seriously, is #maemo Talk now? Jul 14 22:01:29 jacekowski, learn a little history before you start running your mouth. Jul 14 22:01:30 Stskeeps is just a nice guy, a real sweetheart Jul 14 22:02:33 Not again eh? Jul 14 22:02:40 I managed to fucking silence the channel yet again Jul 14 22:02:58 i have even T-Shirt saying "Stskeeps, make a babe" Jul 14 22:02:58 Stskeeps, its good when people hunt around and find new things to do with devices :P Jul 14 22:03:17 whether it works or not, it keeps ppl busy Jul 14 22:03:33 Ok good, it is not my fault the channel was silenced there for a minute or so Jul 14 22:03:33 :D Great! I lost the multi-tasking ability of my phone. Damn it, since I installed the equalizer, my n900 lags, and sound often breaks up. Going to have to report and uninstall. Jul 14 22:03:57 technomike i have it without equalizer Jul 14 22:03:59 I got an awesome movie to watch, Bitch Slap Jul 14 22:04:08 though i flashed r&d mode for nitdroid Jul 14 22:04:20 but than found out my sd card is fake =) Jul 14 22:04:20 lol Jul 14 22:04:24 equalizer? Jul 14 22:04:25 ~ping Jul 14 22:04:26 ~pong Jul 14 22:04:39 MohammadAG, morning sweetie Jul 14 22:05:15 * MohammadAG hides Jul 14 22:05:35 opdf2, lol. Jul 14 22:05:46 damn i never can update those mypaint and ukeyboard Jul 14 22:05:51 Guys, not had any luck in finding, so anyone here know of any way to unrar on N900? Jul 14 22:06:05 * ZogG rapes MohammadAG Jul 14 22:06:14 luke-jr, what's paksis? Jul 14 22:06:16 wtf Jul 14 22:06:18 technomike, fileroller Jul 14 22:06:27 I'm guessing it's not "An alliance of market leaders for delivering breakthrough projects in packaging technology." Jul 14 22:06:30 ZogG - many thanks, will check it out now :) Jul 14 22:06:30 ZogG, I dumped file-roller, use xarchiver instead Jul 14 22:06:33 oh Jul 14 22:06:50 i never used any of them actually Jul 14 22:06:50 ShadowJK: [16:55:54] DocScrutinizer: it's a super energy source with a will of its own :D Jul 14 22:06:55 or just use unrar, which is what xarchiver uses Jul 14 22:07:01 ShadowJK:  where do you get your genuine BL-5J? Jul 14 22:07:02 there is also rar plugins as far as i can remember Jul 14 22:07:02 ShadowJK: 3rd Google result for me Jul 14 22:07:10 opdf2, ebay Jul 14 22:07:11 :P Jul 14 22:07:23 opdf2, I got one with my N900! :P Jul 14 22:07:25 I doubt there is any way to rar on a device Jul 14 22:07:36 But nokia is a good source for genuine cells ;p Jul 14 22:07:36 MohammadAG, i never tried on maemo but on desctop i moved from xarchive to fileroller Jul 14 22:07:37 unless you use qemu to emulate X86 Jul 14 22:07:39 MohammadAG:  I don't feel comfortable with that Jul 14 22:07:42 shouldn't use RAR Jul 14 22:07:48 rar's closed source Jul 14 22:08:00 ShadowJK:  I got one too with my N900. I need one more. Jul 14 22:08:03 MohammadAG: i think i had rar on n900 Jul 14 22:08:10 opdf2: obviously get another N900 Jul 14 22:08:14 MohammadAG: there is arm linux version of rar Jul 14 22:08:17 jacekowski, thought that too, but couldn't find a binary for it Jul 14 22:08:19 MohammadAG, if you convince everyone not to use it we wouldbn't need it Jul 14 22:08:21 jacekowski, where? Jul 14 22:08:26 but till than Jul 14 22:08:32 ZogG: unrar != rar Jul 14 22:08:35 ZogG, file-roller is better, but the UI is much much worse Jul 14 22:08:37 there is a GPL unrar Jul 14 22:08:40 luke-jr:  that's the only option? I just stick with one battery then Jul 14 22:08:42 http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm Jul 14 22:08:48 it can't unrar newer versions luke-jr Jul 14 22:08:53 UnRAR for ARM Linux Jul 14 22:09:01 MohammadAG, i liked actually fileroller's UI at desctop more Jul 14 22:09:03 opdf2, iirc someone disassembled a dealextreme "Genuine BL-5J" and found it wasn't genuine.. though it probably still works Jul 14 22:09:04 MohammadAG: screw newer versions then Jul 14 22:09:05 http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrarsrc-3.9.10.tar.gz Jul 14 22:09:11 it was more user friendly and not that ugly Jul 14 22:09:15 but it was a long ago Jul 14 22:09:15 ZogG, I was referring to the N900 port... Jul 14 22:09:19 ShadowJK:  I see Jul 14 22:09:24 desktop =! N900 Jul 14 22:09:35 actually, GNOME != Hildon Jul 14 22:09:39 MohammadAG, that's why i told you about desktop from the begginging Jul 14 22:09:54 MohammadAG, i never tried on maemo but on desctop i moved from xarchive to fileroller Jul 14 22:09:57 ^ Jul 14 22:09:58 And someone also disassembled one of those "Gold BL-5J 1800mAh" batteries, and found it contained a 800mAh battery :) Jul 14 22:10:02 Hildon is built on GNOME, as far as I'm concerned Jul 14 22:10:05 jacekowski, that's unrar, not rar Jul 14 22:10:14 just reverse it Jul 14 22:10:21 and you will get rarnu Jul 14 22:10:21 luke-jr, but it's not gnome Jul 14 22:10:27 and then get rid of nu Jul 14 22:10:27 lol Jul 14 22:10:40 MohammadAG, rar if file format and don't play smart Jul 14 22:10:47 or add a g and make it gnu rar Jul 14 22:10:50 everyoine knows what he needs Jul 14 22:11:18 jacekowski get rarnu and get rid of rar actually Jul 14 22:11:23 or just use cpio.lzma Jul 14 22:11:25 :D Jul 14 22:11:25 seriously, why is rar closed source? it's crap Jul 14 22:11:33 it's not Jul 14 22:11:33 lzma has so much better compression Jul 14 22:11:40 ShadowJK:  I guess I'll buy directly from NokiaUSA Jul 14 22:11:43 MohammadAG, plenty of crap things are closed source Jul 14 22:11:47 well, lzma is a lot slower Jul 14 22:11:52 lcuk, mediaplayer is one :P Jul 14 22:11:53 but thats not the problem, companies release as required Jul 14 22:11:53 Most crap things are closed source :) Jul 14 22:12:03 i mean rar was the best compression for quite a long time Jul 14 22:12:07 MohammadAG, i dunno i changed to media player classic on windows and havent looked back Jul 14 22:12:15 lcuk, the N900 one :) Jul 14 22:12:27 Hah, Jul 14 22:12:36 lzma is very slow, but the compression is great Jul 14 22:12:37 classic media player on windows is classic :) Jul 14 22:12:46 Much better than WM9 or whatever they're on now ... Jul 14 22:12:59 * luke-jr was a big fan of classic mplayer.exe when he used Windows Jul 14 22:13:09 much better than VLC I might add Jul 14 22:13:23 DocScrutinizer: that breakout jig would be very usefull thing, i could just connect my fpga to it and bruteforce whole thing Jul 14 22:13:35 "Industry is estimating that the government will need to plough at least £2bn into the industry if it wants to be the fastest broadband nation by 2015." Jul 14 22:13:46 peanuts compared to what we spend on other complete rubbish .. Jul 14 22:14:01 i don't get why being the fastest broadband nation is so important Jul 14 22:14:32 kerio: because we can :P Jul 14 22:15:01 first /usr, now /var http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58471 Jul 14 22:15:11 and what's the nation? Jul 14 22:15:17 The UK Jul 14 22:15:25 LOL BT/VIRGIN Jul 14 22:15:41 how about you start working on the download caps Jul 14 22:15:43 seriously, this world needs a new wifi spec Jul 14 22:16:00 Wireless X anyone? :) Jul 14 22:16:13 MohammadAG: wireless sucks Jul 14 22:16:18 we need cheaper cat5 Jul 14 22:16:25 I don't get why so many idiots keep deleting system folders .. Jul 14 22:16:27 lol Jul 14 22:16:33 kerio, just buy cat4 Jul 14 22:16:44 fibre fibre fibre Jul 14 22:16:55 I wonder how long it'll take to see a 10/100/1000/10000 spec Jul 14 22:16:58 If I ever build my own dream house, it'll have fibre in the walls :) Jul 14 22:17:41 is it Thursday in the US? Jul 14 22:17:49 No Jul 14 22:17:54 Not for a few hours yet MohammadAG Jul 14 22:17:58 retarded question Jul 14 22:18:02 let me rephrase Jul 14 22:18:05 Not even Thursday in the UK :P Jul 14 22:18:15 if I use two day shipping, would it be there before the weekend? Jul 14 22:18:25 it = the item Jul 14 22:18:31 sorry, only slept 4 hours yesterday Jul 14 22:18:32 Probably be there for Saturday Jul 14 22:18:46 doesn't the US have a lazy arse post system? Jul 14 22:18:47 Depends on the time where you are. Jul 14 22:18:54 Seattle, not me Jul 14 22:19:09 should've shipped yesterday... Jul 14 22:19:12 Yes, I mean the time where you are, when you post the item .. Jul 14 22:19:51 4 hours, don't blame me :P Jul 14 22:22:43 wtf? Jul 14 22:22:48 UK has fast broadband? Jul 14 22:23:14 as in, faster than Japan and Korea? Jul 14 22:23:19 where 100 Mbit is commonplace Jul 14 22:23:19 someone forgot to send out the memo - where did you see fast broadband in uk? Jul 14 22:23:32 [17:14:01] i don't get why being the fastest broadband nation is so important [17:15:11] and what's the nation? [17:15:17] The UK Jul 14 22:23:54 doesn't the UK have 200? Jul 14 22:24:02 ... Jul 14 22:24:03 No Jul 14 22:24:05 Well Jul 14 22:24:06 luke-jr: you're missing the key point of that little conversation, my first sentence where infobot quoted a news artical. Jul 14 22:24:14 luke-jr, read, alterego said that investment must be made Jul 14 22:24:16 one or two tiny, tiny pockets. Jul 14 22:24:19 MohammadAG: they have ridiculous limitations on download Jul 14 22:24:25 s/infobot/I/ Jul 14 22:24:25 kerio: Well... Jul 14 22:24:26 alterego meant: luke-jr: you're missing the key point of that little conversation, my first sentence where I quoted a news artical. Jul 14 22:24:31 who does 200? Jul 14 22:24:33 kerio: I have two packages. Jul 14 22:24:35 haha Jul 14 22:24:58 and if its on virgin, is the upload still capped at 0.25? Jul 14 22:25:12 kerio: One of which allows 10 gig of transfer a month in peak times - for 4.99 - $9 or so. But midnight-8AM is free. Jul 14 22:25:21 The other of which is 14.99/mo and allows 80 Jul 14 22:25:34 $7 or so, I keep forgetting about the dollar Jul 14 22:25:39 haha oh wow Jul 14 22:25:45 we're paying $120 for 160gig/mo, that doesn't seem bad to me :) Jul 14 22:25:47 and you guys accept that? Jul 14 22:25:50 lcuk, afaik yeah, it's virgin media Jul 14 22:26:04 kerio: That is an utterly ridiculous question. Jul 14 22:26:11 kerio: What's the alternative? Jul 14 22:26:48 boycott Jul 14 22:26:50 It is slightly hard for me to install broadband from a provider in South Korea, even if it might be fast and cheap. Jul 14 22:26:57 kerio: You're retarded. Jul 14 22:27:06 kerio: boycott all internet providers? yeah that's going to work Jul 14 22:27:46 Going to satellite internet would be the only effective way to boycott the UK internet providers. Jul 14 22:27:46 actually we have a fairly hard time reaching 160gig/mo Jul 14 22:28:04 And that makes the above prices look _Insanely_ cheap Jul 14 22:28:20 satalltie internet in AU is controlled by Telstra, which is the former gov't monopolly and lowest BW highest cost option Jul 14 22:29:18 asj: you can get round that - with globalstar internet. Jul 14 22:29:49 asj: however that will make the telestra satellite internet look like an utter bargain, and make you consider running your own transoceanic fibre. Jul 14 22:30:18 SpeedEvil: that looks like iridium...their current name? Jul 14 22:30:28 yes Jul 14 22:30:58 It's not utterly ruinous for stuff like 1K packets of data a couple of times a day Jul 14 22:31:07 even checking email will make your eyes water though Jul 14 22:31:21 it's free with normal airtime rates! ;) Jul 14 22:32:00 can I get Maemo to STFU about email? Jul 14 22:32:41 apt-get --purge autoremove modest*? Jul 14 22:32:48 MohammadAG, http://slashdot.org/articles/07/07/12/1236231.shtml Jul 14 22:32:58 MohammadAG: I want email client, just not the annoying alerts Jul 14 22:33:15 wow, it's only 1.39 to $5/min for globalstar Jul 14 22:33:20 oh, then purge hildon-desktop Jul 14 22:33:21 xDDD Jul 14 22:33:29 ... Jul 14 22:33:29 VM is $8, I don't understand their prices at all Jul 14 22:34:30 asj: at 9600 IIRC Jul 14 22:35:36 SpeedEvil: http://www.globalstarusa.com/en/content.php?cid=300 -- odd, I thought they had ocean coverage, but it's like they forgot about the pacific and indian oceans "bah no one goes there!" Jul 14 22:36:08 lcuk, haha Jul 14 22:36:11 lcuk, I want that Jul 14 22:36:32 opdf2 - I got my extra battery from eBay, and its completely genuine. :D Was £5 used. Jul 14 22:36:32 lcuk, cause tbh, uploading a 900MB rootfs image of ubuntu sucks Jul 14 22:36:34 luke-jr: maemo5? go into settings can't you turn those off? Jul 14 22:36:53 technomike:  what seller?> Jul 14 22:37:14 Are you in UK? Jul 14 22:37:25 technomike, not even Nokia can tell genuine from fake without disassembly though :) Jul 14 22:37:47 ShadowJK - :o Even with the hologram sticker? Jul 14 22:37:49 ShadowJK, wouldn't lshal show the mAh design? Jul 14 22:38:00 and genuine label Jul 14 22:38:07 design current, w/e Jul 14 22:38:26 technomike:  I'm in USA Jul 14 22:38:28 technomike, Nokia said it took 3 days before someone had made a perfect copy of the hologram :) Jul 14 22:38:42 ShadowJK :o shocking! Jul 14 22:38:43 MohammadAG, that's easiest part to fake ;p Jul 14 22:39:06 ShadowJK, hmm Jul 14 22:39:12 asj: where? Jul 14 22:39:20 ShadowJK, now you've given me doubts Jul 14 22:39:43 luke-jr: mmm, I guess it's just the light Jul 14 22:39:48 I bought a BL-5J, it had a slightly different print (darker a bit) Jul 14 22:39:53 luke-jr: but I'm sure there's an ap for that ;) Jul 14 22:39:55 but other than that, it's identical Jul 14 22:40:58 Those who disassembled known genuine BL-5J found a samsung cell inside, but Nokia of course doesn't tell us if they use other suppliers too Jul 14 22:42:42 does M5 have an if-up script? Jul 14 22:43:05 The maemo5 default battery bar meter is trivial to fool. You can make it show full bars forever (until it dies), you can make it drop first bars almost right away and then live 2 days on the last bar... Jul 14 22:43:05 this is annoying, all of a sudden xchat is crashing when i try to connect Jul 14 22:43:08 ifup Jul 14 22:43:35 ShadowJK, what's a better alternative then Jul 14 22:44:15 i've just noticed that r&d mode keeps keyboard leds switched on all the time Jul 14 22:45:11 Well the bq27200 chip is accurate, but the settings in its eeprom are pretty poorly chosen, so it starts with the clibration off by 30 percent and (almost) never recalibrates when bme is in control ;p Jul 14 22:45:11 only led 1 & 6 Jul 14 22:45:14 http://www.satphonestore.com/airtime/thuraya-airtime.html Jul 14 22:45:27 ShadowJK: that is however irrelevant. Jul 14 22:45:57 sure, if you postprocess it a bit it's fine Jul 14 22:46:13 ShadowJK: While it would make the software slightly easier - there is no reason that BME can't read the charge meters stated capacity '0' in its internal sums just before shutting down Jul 14 22:46:14 jacekowski, the leds represent cpu activity Jul 14 22:46:43 SpeedEvil, I'm talking default bme here Jul 14 22:46:53 yeah Jul 14 22:47:09 I haven't investaged what actually displays the battery bars. Jul 14 22:47:26 I suspect it's hald-addon-bme talking to bme Jul 14 22:47:38 and then the desktop stack talking to hald-addon-bme Jul 14 22:47:38 yes Jul 14 22:48:07 the real question is what crazy shit bme is doing to make up numbers Jul 14 22:49:15 the funniest thing is when it realizes it's wrong, and slews its meter up, making it look like charging is taking place, over several minutes Jul 14 22:49:49 is xchat crashing for anyone else O.o Jul 14 22:49:58 nope Jul 14 22:50:01 nope Jul 14 22:50:06 just the otherday it was fine Jul 14 22:50:16 not me Jul 14 22:50:16 * SpeedEvil tries. Jul 14 22:50:23 my net is kinda retarded today though Jul 14 22:50:31 thats weird Jul 14 22:50:37 to make it worse, I have to restart a 900MB upload Jul 14 22:50:46 it works when i connect directly to irc server, and crashes when i connect to my znc Jul 14 22:50:52 oh god ubuntuhighlycompressed.lzma Jul 14 22:50:59 9781056 1% 11.39kB/s 22:50:28 Jul 14 22:51:08 wtf >.< Jul 14 22:51:23 wfm Jul 14 22:52:00 rsync is nice, with the keep partial option. resumes, fixes corruption, just gets the job done :> Jul 14 22:53:07 wget -c also Jul 14 22:53:08 ShadowJK: do you really want to know where the bme is pulling numbers from? Jul 14 22:53:21 no Jul 14 22:53:24 trip0, for uploads? meh Jul 14 22:53:39 kerio, it's @$$ Jul 14 22:53:46 its Jul 14 22:53:54 :) Jul 14 22:54:03 yay 18 hours left x.x Jul 14 22:54:23 ssh to the other side and wget? I'd use rsync in this case Jul 14 22:54:25 yay iotop working Jul 14 22:54:52 In many ways BMEs actions are not interesting at all Jul 14 22:55:07 What is - slightly - interesting is the interactions with other closed bits of software Jul 14 22:55:31 For example - it would be nice to have a working battery meter eith a replacement BME, and the stock battery widget Jul 14 22:56:07 SpeedEvil, the wifi signal applet's great btw Jul 14 22:56:18 doesn't make the N900 signal drop Jul 14 22:56:27 -signal, + drop wifi Jul 14 22:57:48 yeah Jul 14 22:57:52 ? Jul 14 22:57:59 what do you mean Jul 14 22:58:05 why should it make the signal drop Jul 14 22:58:24 I personally want to nuke the existing widget Jul 14 22:58:37 slashdot thinks there are "dozens of companies" working on open source hardware Jul 14 22:58:40 what are they smoking? Jul 14 22:58:41 and have one that is like the 2G/3G bars for signal strength. Jul 14 22:59:09 luke-jr: I'd say that's probably not inaccurate Jul 14 22:59:10 I know of opencores and opengraphics :/ Jul 14 22:59:16 luke-jr: Most of them are teeeeeny. Jul 14 22:59:35 Sparkfun.com and one other spring to mind Jul 14 22:59:39 ShadowJK: *companies*? Jul 14 23:00:00 ah Jul 14 23:00:03 seedstudio Jul 14 23:00:20 I have seedstudio's open oscilloscope :) Jul 14 23:00:23 also, I wonder just how open this hardware is Jul 14 23:00:35 why should it make the signal drop Jul 14 23:00:41 eg, GPL-on-Windows or GPL-on-GNU? Jul 14 23:00:43 cos you are holding it wrong Jul 14 23:00:45 you said it made the connection drop on your device Jul 14 23:00:55 the above examples typically have schematics and code Jul 14 23:01:01 MohammadAG: I did? Jul 14 23:01:01 oh that was jyetech, but sold through seedstudio Jul 14 23:01:09 When? Jul 14 23:01:10 SpeedEvil: I'm thinking their dependencies Jul 14 23:01:15 SpeedEvil, at least that's what I remember Jul 14 23:01:16 so for N900, it depends on OMAP3xxx Jul 14 23:01:29 even if N900's schematics were released, they have a closed dep Jul 14 23:01:30 luke-jr: Well - opencores are _NOT_ open then Jul 14 23:01:46 As the FPGAs architecture is _completely_ opaque Jul 14 23:01:48 hm Jul 14 23:01:58 is there any maemo calendar with caldav support? Jul 14 23:02:02 You could make opencores using CPLDs - which are open. Jul 14 23:02:10 well ignore the bloody FPGA, I have no clue as to the contents of the thin firm resistors SpeedEvil! Jul 14 23:02:11 But - good luck with your wirewrap tool. Jul 14 23:02:12 SpeedEvil: opencores depends on FPGA specifically? Jul 14 23:02:17 i want to try it out with my zimbra server Jul 14 23:02:44 luke-jr: FPGAs have lots of integral closed parts in the 'compiler' and the internal architecture of the chip Jul 14 23:03:31 luke-jr: Going from VHDL to a configuration file for the chip that makes it implement that VHDL is typically completely closed, as is the actual architecture of the chip. Jul 14 23:03:33 luke-jr: core := IP core, hunk of big you shove into an fpga, half synthesised vhdl/verilog Jul 14 23:03:45 does N900 work with CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY? Jul 14 23:03:53 lol Jul 14 23:04:01 It's not much fundamentally different to a CPU really. Jul 14 23:04:03 luke-jr: no Jul 14 23:04:04 acpi is a intel x86 thing Jul 14 23:04:08 luke-jr: There is no ACPI Jul 14 23:04:10 SpeedEvil: even GPL-on-GNU doesn't include compiler in dependencies Jul 14 23:04:21 powertop says it needs it :( Jul 14 23:04:38 acpi is like a java intepreter in your kernel, running bytecode it digs up from bios Jul 14 23:04:42 except worse Jul 14 23:05:00 lol Jul 14 23:05:04 luke-jr: If you're arguing that the CPU is a dependancy that's required to be open for opensource hardware, you can't claim that you can get round this by using FPGAs - which are just as closed as the internal design of the CPU. Jul 14 23:05:22 SpeedEvil: I'm not claiming that :) Jul 14 23:05:30 well, lesswatts.org is an intel project, and lesswatt.org's powertop is made for x86 laptops really :) Jul 14 23:05:39 SpeedEvil: but if the FPGA is just one implementation of some open API, it's not a *direct* dependency Jul 14 23:05:39 powertop only works on x86? Jul 14 23:05:43 So, has anyone tried subclassing Hildon widgets in Python and installing custom signals on them? It seems to be bizarrely broken for me :'( Jul 14 23:05:50 trip0: works for me, jsut doesn't give power amounts Jul 14 23:05:52 only %s Jul 14 23:05:53 trip0: the lesswatts one, yes Jul 14 23:06:14 trip0: i think you get c states and per process wakeup stats on arm with it too Jul 14 23:06:15 hmm - it must be reading HAL I guess - which is somewhat suspect Jul 14 23:06:21 HAL is obsolete Jul 14 23:06:25 and not on my system AFAIK Jul 14 23:06:29 but the nokia powertop also gives you power domain statistics Jul 14 23:06:39 ... Jul 14 23:06:47 luke-jr: However - if you cannot get any FPGA which is open - doesn't this change it? Jul 14 23:06:55 SpeedEvil: arguably, yes Jul 14 23:06:56 luke-jr: Also - there are opensource ARMs. Jul 14 23:07:20 luke-jr: Arm and your favourite FAB will gleefully give you full mask documentation. Jul 14 23:08:14 no powertop on n900 gives you "power amounts". powertop, in any incarnation, is a tool mostly for finding out what's killing idle battery life (and only applies to the power used by the cpu) Jul 14 23:08:45 luke-jr, it's still on your n900 system (re: HAL) Jul 14 23:10:33 oh Jul 14 23:10:45 guess there is no caldav calendar for maemo Jul 14 23:10:48 :( Jul 14 23:10:50 -1 Jul 14 23:11:18 dudes, I had that 'open' discussion countless times now, and in the end it's always just a question of "are there datasheets, is there a comprehensive HW API, is it documneted and is it somewhat guaranteed to work the way the docs say" Jul 14 23:11:18 But it's opensource! Anyone can develop one. Jul 14 23:11:25 * SpeedEvil looks at his neo1973. Jul 14 23:11:33 Indeed. Jul 14 23:11:44 DocScrutinizer: datasheets don't make hw open Jul 14 23:12:21 there is no such thing as 100% open hardware ... the chinese ruined that concept Jul 14 23:12:25 * Macer hides Jul 14 23:12:27 asj: so what do you do with an 'open' process to breed a moncrystal of silicon, to cut the wavers from? Jul 14 23:12:31 lol what Jul 14 23:13:09 asj: you do realise that to make your own modern chip from scratch with an opensource process with all open hardware will require several tens of millions of dollars? Jul 14 23:13:16 Perhaps hundreds of millions? Jul 14 23:13:34 SpeedEvil: of course, it's ridiculous Jul 14 23:13:56 asj: there's always a limit/frntier where you have to say "ok, that's what I'll touch, it works like this and that, and I don't care how it's done" Jul 14 23:14:09 Macer, how did they ruin it? The one designed in china product I have has awesome amounts of documentation available, and they used off the shelf chips with datasheets available :) Jul 14 23:14:14 Also. Jul 14 23:14:29 You can't use any physical object, as you don't have a full grand-unified theory. Jul 14 23:14:48 the argument has no end even ignoring hw for a moment, beyond the boot loader do you have the source for/control of the power controller? it's silly Jul 14 23:16:54 Also - do you have a clear and unambiguous licence from God to say you can use his subatomic particles that way. Jul 14 23:17:16 SpeedEvil: there is no god, so how can I get one? ;) I think we're off topic Jul 14 23:17:46 let me patent some subatomic particle interactions Jul 14 23:17:59 and make your openhw obsolete/closed Jul 14 23:20:20 It's more fun to patent metabolic pathways, then sue your opponents for continuing to use them. Jul 14 23:21:21 asj: nope we're stringently on topic. There's simply no 'open' system, as even the universe has outer limits. You always can declare openness just for an area up to the area's boundaries. In case of 'open hardware' that's usually the datasheets with description of components properties *as seen by you*, and not how they work internally or how to build them Jul 14 23:22:05 if you extend the area to building chips, then you hit same limits with the machines used to build the chips Jul 14 23:22:30 how do those work internally - how to build them, are they open? Jul 14 23:22:58 how to cook the steel used to build those open machines Jul 14 23:23:14 how to mine the coal to cook the steel Jul 14 23:23:18 it's endless Jul 14 23:23:20 DocScrutinizer: I know the argument well, and as a hw guy find them raher boring myself Jul 14 23:29:44 * PerfDave sleeps Jul 14 23:31:06 muahahahahahaa Jul 14 23:31:07 haha Jul 14 23:54:18 will this work on the n900? Jul 14 23:54:20 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libglu1-mesa/ Jul 14 23:54:43 its for mesa... is there a mesa driver for n900? Jul 14 23:56:19 anyone here interested in overclocking Jul 14 23:57:13 ~overclocking Jul 14 23:57:14 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Jul 14 23:57:22 http://code.google.com/p/glues/ Jul 14 23:57:32 anyone ported this to maemo Jul 14 23:57:40 lol Jul 14 23:58:13 but im just overclock a little says the addict Jul 15 00:00:11 anyhow there is a guy that made a module for the milestone that overclocks in a neat way Jul 15 00:00:34 no special kernel needed Jul 15 00:01:26 takers Jul 15 00:02:16 interesting Jul 15 00:02:24 but installing the kernel power is so easy Jul 15 00:02:47 ya i have an 810 Jul 15 00:04:07 Well first someone would have to figure out how to run it in overclock Jul 15 00:04:18 the milestone-overclock is for an omap3xxx as well. it will take some work to get it working on diablo Jul 15 00:04:42 before one starts discussing whether to deliver those overclocked settings in a kernel module or in a new kernel or what Jul 15 00:06:05 there is supost to be a stuckture that pairs the frequncy with voltage, hack that table and you can hack the frequency Jul 15 00:06:29 There are other issues on n810 Jul 15 00:06:47 ok go ahead im ears Jul 15 00:08:35 I only vaguely remember it discussed before, but iirc in order to step up cpu speed the sdram speed would also have to be overclocked to such an extent it has no chance of working Jul 15 00:08:58 ok im good with that Jul 15 00:09:00 if it was as easy as changing a table it'd probably already been done :P Jul 15 00:10:01 iirc people have experimented with differet dsp/cpu ratios and locks though, like letting the cpu go up to 400 (dropping dsp to 133) even when dsp is in use Jul 15 00:10:37 normally if dsp is in use the cpu is limited to 333 because that gives highest dsp speed Jul 15 00:10:54 ShadowJK here is the page where he explained what he was doing you might fined it interesting just the same Jul 15 00:11:54 http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Disassembly Jul 15 00:12:03 How he changes a table isn't really interesting Jul 15 00:12:37 on maemo we have the kernel sources, we can modify the kernel without disassembly or hacking Jul 15 00:12:53 it was for me I never saw an interesting artical on dissasemble Jul 15 00:13:28 I mean it's not really interesting/relevant for overclocking N8x0 :P Jul 15 00:14:03 it seems to be some strange science Jul 15 00:14:28 ya im good with the memory problem Jul 15 00:15:26 he said the milestone was locked down so im sure diablo is more open Jul 15 00:15:39 yes it is Jul 15 00:16:04 it's "trivial" to modify the table Jul 15 00:16:16 anyway ill ceise an dissist talking about overclocking Jul 15 00:16:23 but nobody has had anything interesting to put in it :P Jul 15 00:17:20 I'm actually running overclocked kernel on my N8x0.. Jul 15 00:17:34 the one that overclocks mmc ;p Jul 15 00:17:34 cool what at Jul 15 00:17:47 ok Jul 15 00:18:13 is it stable Jul 15 00:18:34 hard to tell Jul 15 00:18:37 is there gain to overclock the memory Jul 15 00:18:48 an A-data sd card recently died on me if that helps ;) Jul 15 00:19:23 enough info that i dont want to try Jul 15 00:19:48 lol Jul 15 00:20:11 it was over 1 year old when it died though Jul 15 00:20:27 ramez swap gave the 810 a boost and that was something i didn't want to try Jul 15 00:20:45 i didn't think would work Jul 15 00:20:55 good morning Jul 15 00:21:50 i think it will speed up my umbutu distribution on my laptop that runs of usb Jul 15 00:22:06 morning Jul 15 00:43:58 so uhm Jul 15 00:44:03 the calendar doesn't support caldev? Jul 15 00:44:05 :( Jul 15 00:50:23 is resisitive touchscreen more accurate Jul 15 00:51:09 has anyone tried VLC for maemo on the N900? Jul 15 00:51:51 dotblank, yes. Plainly, capacitive detects heat from your big arse finger, resistive detects pressure at a central point Jul 15 00:58:11 vlc anyone? Jul 15 01:00:01 rather quiet here today. are people depressed over meego or something? Jul 15 01:01:12 why would that depress anyone? it's grrrreat Jul 15 01:01:16 crap Jul 15 01:01:25 looks like caldav is a no go in maemo :( Jul 15 01:01:26 wtf Jul 15 01:01:37 iphone can do it :) Jul 15 01:01:55 i'd rather have a working caldav sync than flash Jul 15 01:01:58 steve was right Jul 15 01:01:58 haha Jul 15 01:02:10 depress because it's replacing our beloved meamo Jul 15 01:02:26 Macer: what do you need caldav for? Jul 15 01:02:41 may I ask what caldav is? Jul 15 01:02:57 to sync a calendar :-P Jul 15 01:03:07 i run zimbra and it supports caldav Jul 15 01:03:20 i want to be able to sync the calendar to my phone's calendar Jul 15 01:03:24 Macer: no syncml? Jul 15 01:03:26 which i could do if it had caldav support :) Jul 15 01:03:35 syncml? Jul 15 01:03:44 yet another syncing method Jul 15 01:03:46 isn't that like some crap you have to run as a separate server? Jul 15 01:04:00 that seems redundant considering caldav is a standard :) Jul 15 01:04:07 Macer: Jul 15 01:04:14 heh Jul 15 01:04:19 there's a bug for it tho Jul 15 01:05:04 what's a good video player for maemo besides the built in on N900? Jul 15 01:05:30 The scope of bugs.maemo.org are bugs and only very specific and no-brainer Jul 15 01:05:30 enhancement requests. This report contains a feature request that is too Jul 15 01:05:30 generic for bugs.maemo.org. Jul 15 01:05:35 ok seriously Jul 15 01:05:44 maemo has a bunch of douches running their bugzilla Jul 15 01:06:24 not entirely uncommon for open source projects. Jul 15 01:06:30 but seriously Jul 15 01:06:44 the people that screen the bugs are like "this is too broad".. "not enough information" Jul 15 01:06:51 and they are simple enhancement requests Jul 15 01:06:51 especially ones that are winding down Jul 15 01:06:57 "add caldav support" Jul 15 01:07:14 i mean that isn't specific enough? Jul 15 01:07:22 Macer: you mean like 'mail sorting'? Jul 15 01:07:27 heh Jul 15 01:07:49 oh wait. that's not an enchancement. that's a request to re-include removed capabilities. Jul 15 01:07:49 one i filed was "add bluetooth keyboard support to the settings like it was in maemo4 and have direct support for bt hid" Jul 15 01:07:54 that wasn't specific enough :) Jul 15 01:08:04 mortini: true Jul 15 01:08:17 i sure hope meego doesn't bring these idiots over with them Jul 15 01:08:32 they remind me of postal workers who throw mail in the garbage so they don't have to deliver it Jul 15 01:08:53 i mean seriously... "add caldav support to the maemo calendar" Jul 15 01:09:02 Macer: is never going to happen Jul 15 01:09:06 doesn't matter much what they do, if it is left open then a nokia guy will just come and close it as WONTFIX Jul 15 01:09:06 that isn't no-brainer enough? Jul 15 01:09:12 Macer: nope Jul 15 01:09:16 haha Jul 15 01:09:19 ah well Jul 15 01:09:32 maybe it's time to swap over to a closed off phone :) Jul 15 01:10:12 i'm going to wait on meego though. it looks promising.. but if this is how enhancement requests get treated it will be stale Jul 15 01:10:36 Macer: let's assume you can pull and sync data from the calendar, syncml client does it. Next it's an OS that's getting no new dev, just bug maintenance. So adding a new feature won't happen. The community also has the tools to do it. Jul 15 01:10:55 wow Jul 15 01:10:56 :) Jul 15 01:11:20 asj: this bug was filed in nov 2009 when maemo was fairly new Jul 15 01:11:26 and that was their answer Jul 15 01:11:41 like i said. i seriously hope meego fires whoever the hell looks these bugs over Jul 15 01:11:43 then you should have made a case for it Jul 15 01:12:03 it wasn't my bug. i just happened to be looking for a way to sync my calendar to my zimbra server Jul 15 01:12:24 and read the answer and just felt anger towards the asshole who replied and moved it Jul 15 01:12:34 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6413 Jul 15 01:12:35 Bug 6413: Add Caldav Support Jul 15 01:12:42 amazing Jul 15 01:12:42 Macer, Just in case you didn't know, the people who handle bug reports are probably idling here Jul 15 01:13:11 Termana: good. then maybe they will realize they aren't delivering Jul 15 01:13:15 :) Jul 15 01:13:34 Macer: you haven't made a good case though, who cares about zimbra? :) Jul 15 01:13:55 caldav is a standard for syncing Jul 15 01:13:57 google uses it Jul 15 01:13:59 Macer, besides i think the comment left was obvious. They said that you need to post it to Brainstorm, the appropriate place for enhancements Jul 15 01:14:01 zimbra uses it Jul 15 01:14:10 Macer: good uses mfe too and syncml Jul 15 01:14:12 i'm sure most suites have support for it :) Jul 15 01:14:14 err google Jul 15 01:14:34 You can't sit there and complain that your bug got closed if you put your request in the wrong place Jul 15 01:14:41 Termana: i didn't Jul 15 01:14:44 it is an old bug :) Jul 15 01:15:04 product: calendar Jul 15 01:15:12 severity: enhancement Jul 15 01:15:36 that alone doesn't say "hey. this product requires an enhancement" Jul 15 01:15:40 ? Jul 15 01:15:56 why? because caldav is a standard for syncing calendars. Jul 15 01:16:19 it is like saying "maemo doesn't have ssh support. can it be added as an enhancement?" Jul 15 01:16:29 no. because that is too broad Jul 15 01:16:32 :) Jul 15 01:17:07 anyways. let me look and see about getting an android phone. android supports caldav :) Jul 15 01:17:10 hahaha Jul 15 01:17:10 Macer, also, that asshole that moved it, your talking about #3? Jul 15 01:17:47 "that asshole that moved it"* (quoting you, thats not what I said) Jul 15 01:18:56 nokiaians don't walk on water :) either way. asj was correct. it is a dead os Jul 15 01:19:15 Macer: reading the bug report it reads very differnetly from what you imply and he's right Jul 15 01:19:32 6 months out the gate.. i will wait for meego to develop and just stick with wherever it goes or wait to get a new phone. whichever comes first Jul 15 01:19:43 it's not a small enhancement, and here's a forum dedicated to larger feature enhancements Jul 15 01:21:33 I never said Nokians walk on water. The bug reporter was asked to resubmit their enhancement to the appropriate place. If that makes them "assholes" hell, I wonder what they are for other things they have done. Jul 15 01:22:05 Termana: the problem is that you see this type of bug movement everywhere Jul 15 01:22:22 like i said.. .the bugzilla reminds me of postal workers who throw mail away Jul 15 01:22:24 :) Jul 15 01:22:40 either way. as i said. asj was completely correct Jul 15 01:22:53 it is a 6 month old dead os and i will hope meego comes along or go to another phone Jul 15 01:23:06 Macer: why can't you write it instead of complaining? Jul 15 01:23:18 Macer, so what your saying is that people aren't submitting their stuff to the right place, so we should blame the people running the bugzilla. Jul 15 01:23:19 because like you said. it's a dead os :) Jul 15 01:23:42 no what i am saying is that it was an enhancement request that got pawned off elsewhere Jul 15 01:23:58 like a doctor who didn't want to do the surgery because he didn't want to screw up his stats Jul 15 01:23:59 Macer: and why has Zimbra ignored the syncml feature? They must really hate you, what a bunch of assholes Jul 15 01:24:06 why did Nokia fuck up so much... 6 month old dead os... fuck! Jul 15 01:24:12 asj: because they decided to stick with the standard :) Jul 15 01:24:31 N900power, don't be a hater your going to get MeeGo. Jul 15 01:24:32 Macer: there isn't a standard Jul 15 01:24:52 Macer: there are many standards, sorry that Zimbra has you can chose the wrong one Jul 15 01:25:04 I'm not buying meego...guarantee it !!! For what??? another new os in 6 fucken months?? Jul 15 01:25:22 N900power: then why you here? Jul 15 01:25:24 N900power, who said anything about buying? You'll be getting it free on your n900. Jul 15 01:25:32 N900power: remember sega? Jul 15 01:26:09 meego on n900??? too many confusing stories Jul 15 01:26:15 * peb is gone. Gone since Wed Jul 14 23:08:00 2010 Jul 15 01:26:43 N900power: i'm sure it will be developed until the intel powered n910 comes out.. then it will be tossed away and never work on an n900 :) Jul 15 01:27:26 they lied to us Jul 15 01:27:35 yup :) Jul 15 01:27:52 Nokia has yet again internally done a really nice fuck up work Jul 15 01:28:44 they said "here's N900 - the greatest and the latest" and then they give middle finger to developers and consumers. Jul 15 01:28:55 N900power: how do you figure? Jul 15 01:29:14 well... i wouldn't go so far as to say it was the latest and greatest by the time it actually came out Jul 15 01:29:23 asj: by introducing new os within 6 months of N900 Jul 15 01:29:39 all that aside. i think it is an awesome phone and maemo really did do a good job with making agood portable linux distro Jul 15 01:29:45 Nokia burned down my house, and raped my goats! Dealbreaker! Jul 15 01:29:57 N900power: where all all the qt apps run and work still? Jul 15 01:30:29 SpeedEvil: hahahaha Jul 15 01:30:29 I absolutely love my N900 ! wanna make that clear....but....why is nokia treating it like a bastard child??? Jul 15 01:30:51 Because there is no Nokia. Jul 15 01:30:51 because.. n8 has facebook and "social network" capabilities Jul 15 01:30:54 :) Jul 15 01:31:00 when it comes out Jul 15 01:31:02 6 months late Jul 15 01:31:04 There are as many nokias as there are Nokia employees. Jul 15 01:31:13 N900power, it has been that way with communicator series since 1996 Jul 15 01:31:15 All of them with varying levels of influence. Jul 15 01:31:22 SpeedEvil: do they make them by hand? :) Jul 15 01:31:30 and sign the inside of each one individually? hehe Jul 15 01:31:33 desperate for flashlight app Jul 15 01:31:33 help plz Jul 15 01:31:39 And that influence changes over time, which affects how products are done. Jul 15 01:31:43 So install it. Jul 15 01:31:44 the defenders are making things worse....pathetic Jul 15 01:32:00 what is it called Jul 15 01:32:12 N900power: soo...all the apps still working is a BAD thing? Jul 15 01:32:14 SpeedEvil: i saw the conference where the finnish guy was showing the world how hip nokia was by jumping on myspace and facebook 2 years after the rest of the world :) Jul 15 01:32:28 n900 got 3 mins Jul 15 01:32:34 facebook got 45mins Jul 15 01:32:37 haha Jul 15 01:32:48 Hi folks, just going crazy over BT. My Plantronics Headset worked on the E90, on the iPhone ... and now it's the 2nd night I try to get it working on the N900 ... no pairing. Probably I'm to stupid for the N900 ... Jul 15 01:32:50 Macer: ... Jul 15 01:32:53 Nokia is actually digging its own grave slowly but steadily Jul 15 01:33:02 Unless things really start to change Jul 15 01:33:04 desperate for flashlight app Jul 15 01:33:13 Ljrn900: use the led flashlight app Jul 15 01:33:18 Macer: yeah - important people get to think their opinions actually matter Jul 15 01:33:29 am I the only one who thinks meego is ugly? looking at the screenshots. Jul 15 01:33:34 SpeedEvil: tell that to enron :) Jul 15 01:33:39 Macer: Which - generally - they don't, and they are 20 years behind the times. Jul 15 01:33:48 Macer: Well - apart from visionaries like Madoff. Jul 15 01:34:13 how will meego do in the market??? nobody cares Jul 15 01:34:22 like i said. i don't even like apple.. but say what you want about an iphone.. the rest of the industry has been playing catch up for years Jul 15 01:34:44 and in the end i think i'll have to jump on the bandwagon because they seem to do things right most of the time :) Jul 15 01:35:25 whether it is simply good marketing... or the fact that their products actually come out on time.. or whatever... they are doing something right that nobody else can seem to do Jul 15 01:35:28 people say the os is open...who cares?????? who gives a flying fuck if maemo/meego is open???? who????? Jul 15 01:35:32 Frankly, n900 pretty much works for most of the things I want it for. Jul 15 01:35:40 N900power: me Jul 15 01:35:42 N900power: Me, for example. Jul 15 01:35:44 SpeedEvil: i agree ;) Jul 15 01:35:53 but why???? Jul 15 01:35:56 N900power: Whether a 'normal' user should care - probably not. Jul 15 01:36:05 N900power: because I can write apps I want for it Jul 15 01:36:10 N900power, actually i do. and if you go with apple, say goodbye to all emulators and scripting. Jul 15 01:36:11 N900power: because I can compile ffmpeg on the device and try stupid shit. Jul 15 01:36:21 but in hindsight... i should have just kept using my n810 and used an android phone.. at least the n810 would work with a bluetooth keyboard out the box ;) Jul 15 01:36:30 just as a note -- it's not realistic to say apple's phone "come out on time" Jul 15 01:36:34 N900power: I care, too. had an iPhone now for a year, and like to manage my own rights and what I read on my MDA Jul 15 01:36:36 I understand Jul 15 01:36:41 they don't announce them until like 2 weeks before they are released Jul 15 01:36:57 ieatlint: then we will put that under the good marketing column ;) Jul 15 01:37:20 ieatlint: well they left it in a bar a couple of months early... ;) Jul 15 01:37:20 Macer: no doubt, they know how to sell a product Jul 15 01:37:24 Kind of funny using an Android phone and get the nice peaking eye of Google checking up on even when you are taking a dump Jul 15 01:37:26 handle issues... hehe, maybe not so much Jul 15 01:37:27 instead of the nokia get everybody hyped up about a product that will be 4 months late and be missing half of the features the product before had Jul 15 01:37:27 N900power, and there are still no unified comminucations on the iphone thus making it obsolete communication device de facto Jul 15 01:37:43 but the hardware will be a little better Jul 15 01:37:55 Arkenoi: how do you figure? Jul 15 01:37:57 Macer: so don't buy a nokia meego product Jul 15 01:38:06 :).. honestly i think opensourcing the nokia products has done more harm than good... all it really has ... is saved nokia money for development Jul 15 01:38:28 Macer: It hasn't been done well. Jul 15 01:38:34 and saved money for research required for said development Jul 15 01:38:35 Macer: Or rather. Jul 15 01:38:41 It hasn't been done optimally. Jul 15 01:38:45 N900power, if you have to run "instant messaging app" to use instant messaging and "voip app" to use voip that means your phone just sucks. It is 2010. Jul 15 01:38:49 because they can just blame "the community" for the state of a failed product Jul 15 01:38:55 I would rather be caught dead than buy a Nokia meego product. NEVER!!! I Jul 15 01:39:04 It would have been lovely to - at the start - highlight the open bits that can be fixed. Jul 15 01:39:07 Fuck meego Jul 15 01:39:10 SUCCESS !!! I finally attached that bloody BT Plantronics to the N900. Jul 15 01:39:10 SpeedEvil: no kidding Jul 15 01:39:17 i saw that when Stskeeps was pulling out his hair over the n8x0 :) Jul 15 01:39:22 For example - much of hildon - modest Jul 15 01:40:50 will there be more updates for N900 or is 1.2 it ? Jul 15 01:41:22 I personally would expect an update from 1.2 Jul 15 01:41:33 there are a number of outstanding internally fixed issues. Jul 15 01:41:48 actually there is just one "phone 2.0" product on the market and it is n900 (palm pre does not count). there are some "phones 1.5" like android and everything other just sucks. Jul 15 01:41:54 But who knows. Jul 15 01:42:24 what issues? SpeedEvil: an example please Jul 15 01:42:25 Oh btw Jul 15 01:42:38 Macer, Apple makes great aerial designs I heard. Jul 15 01:43:03 yeah, the n900 has this awesome feature where you can hold any part of the phone Jul 15 01:43:11 ieatlint: actually. Jul 15 01:43:43 ieatlint: hand over the right-handside of the top, with the screen up - as you would when using the keyboard naturally - and 3g gets substantially weaker Jul 15 01:43:50 it's a problem with all phones. Jul 15 01:43:56 N900power: err Jul 15 01:44:03 * SpeedEvil tries to remember the bug. Jul 15 01:44:05 i can honestly say i've not noticed that Jul 15 01:44:24 and that i chose my wording there carefully so as not to say your claim is untrue :P Jul 15 01:44:40 ieatlint: I live in a 1700s house with 0.5m stone walls. Jul 15 01:44:53 lol Jul 15 01:44:54 ieatlint: And am - I think - 3km from the cell tower I'm connected to. Jul 15 01:45:09 that's ridiculous Jul 15 01:45:38 my 3g coverage at home is spotty, but it's because i live by hills in a park Jul 15 01:45:42 Macer, I also heard that they make great screens, great sensors, great software, and yes, the iPhone even doesn't give off a shock Jul 15 01:45:47 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=951913 Jul 15 01:46:10 iPhone Problems - one is listed "Possibly shocking people" Jul 15 01:46:15 iPhone 4* Jul 15 01:46:48 But of course. Apple is doing everything right. Jul 15 01:47:06 Especially ignoring the issue. Fantastic, I think we should have more of it. //sarcasim Jul 15 01:47:25 Is opengles only in sdl1.3? Jul 15 01:47:25 my 3g coverage at home is spotty as well, and that is because my network operator has some frequency licensing problems Jul 15 01:48:09 Termana: heh. maybe. all i am saying is that i have yet to see an open sourced anything defeat a closed source created in house Jul 15 01:48:10 eh, you can continue your hardware bashing of the iphone 4 (i also like the malfunctioning proximity sensors), but you're kinda yelling at the wind as they turn around and sell millions of devices overnight Jul 15 01:48:26 minus apache ;) Jul 15 01:48:29 apache is awesome Jul 15 01:48:36 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 n Jul 15 01:48:37 Bug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web Jul 15 01:48:38 next up we can have a beta vs vhs discussion -- beta is much better quality guys! Jul 15 01:48:44 * SpeedEvil stabs n900power in the genitals. Jul 15 01:49:08 * SpeedEvil has difficulties, and gets out an electron microscope. Jul 15 01:49:39 Termana: you're just holding it wrong ;) Jul 15 01:51:13 Termana: i'm willing to bet they will get past the shocking iphone4 problem way better than nokia is going to get past the piss poor open source development support problem Jul 15 01:51:25 :) Jul 15 01:52:30 Macer, I love how you tried to use disproportionate issues to try and make a point Jul 15 01:52:44 i know. thought i slipped by in the crowd :) Jul 15 01:56:20 maybe the slogan "porn friendly without java!" should be thrown around a bit more then Jul 15 02:06:35 has anyone tried vlc on maemo? Jul 15 02:09:46 deja vu Jul 15 02:10:31 what? Jul 15 02:10:35 MohammadAG, lol Jul 15 02:10:58 MohammadAG, 100 internets to you sir :P Jul 15 02:12:50 fuck it Jul 15 02:14:05 export internet=$ Jul 15 02:14:09 ive got a stream from vlc going Jul 15 02:14:10 infobot, $100 Jul 15 02:14:11 * infobot gives mohammadag full service! Jul 15 02:14:15 ty Termana Jul 15 02:14:55 videos play choppy on mine Jul 15 02:15:21 using mplayer is that what you want to do N900power Jul 15 02:15:32 ok Jul 15 02:15:40 smackpotato Jul 15 02:16:13 i used wget and piped it into mplayer. it was a long time ago Jul 15 02:17:20 can i get maemo to use socks? Jul 15 02:20:07 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-sleeve-sock-case-Nokia-N900-/230489818327?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item35aa4384d7 Jul 15 02:20:16 how do I use mplayer? do i need to install anything else on n900? Jul 15 02:20:36 kmplayer is what you probably want - mplayer is console only Jul 15 02:20:42 you have to install mplayer Jul 15 02:21:06 Ljrn900: you mean to connect programs on the n900 through socks? Jul 15 02:21:13 if you dont have it. Jul 15 02:21:42 there is kmplayer and mplayer in repos...which one? Jul 15 02:22:02 mplayer Jul 15 02:22:10 ok Jul 15 02:22:21 anyone using ringtoned? Jul 15 02:22:56 and what next? Jul 15 02:23:31 do you want to stream something from your desktop or the internet Jul 15 02:23:50 no, just play videos from memory card Jul 15 02:24:24 Does the built in media player not play them? Jul 15 02:24:41 no...and i have extra codecs installed Jul 15 02:24:53 cool then open a terminal type mplayer /file you want to play Jul 15 02:25:24 kmplayer is a GUI I think Jul 15 02:25:26 there's also one or two mplayer frontends in the repo, which you might find handy too. Jul 15 02:25:34 it's an mp4 file Jul 15 02:25:45 there are other options for mplayer Jul 15 02:26:44 yes kmplayer is a good front end if you dont like the command line Jul 15 02:27:25 ... Jul 15 02:27:50 shoot... it doesnt find my file Jul 15 02:28:47 have you tried km player yet Jul 15 02:28:56 installing it now Jul 15 02:29:03 cool Jul 15 02:29:29 brb Jul 15 02:31:36 no luck...for some reason this .m4v file doesnt wanna play Jul 15 02:32:35 it plays on your desktop with mplayer? Jul 15 02:33:22 no...i didnt try Jul 15 02:33:49 i mean...it plays with vlc on a windoz machine Jul 15 02:33:58 oh Jul 15 02:34:39 can i get maemo to use socks? Jul 15 02:34:53 What do you mean by that Ljrn900 Jul 15 02:35:03 Ljrn900: wow someone still uses socks? Jul 15 02:35:34 I was using it earlier rather than configure USB networking properly Jul 15 02:36:13 yeah, pretty useful with ssh -D Jul 15 02:41:53 screen resolution is 800x480 Jul 15 02:41:56 rigjht? Jul 15 02:42:13 yeah Jul 15 02:42:16 ok...got it...thanks for your help folks Jul 15 02:43:23 glad to be of assistance Jul 15 02:43:30 anyone try geuine BL-5J from Amazon? Jul 15 02:43:41 Ljrn900: i suppose it depends on what you want to do. I believe most default application the n900 doesn't support socks. But for example, if you have firefox installed then you can tell it to use socks. Jul 15 02:44:16 Ljrn900: or you could use something like tsocks, which might work with any apps Jul 15 02:44:36 * pigeon just notices tsocks is in maemo repo. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 15 02:59:56 2010