**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 21 02:59:58 2010 Jul 21 03:22:28 hmm Jul 21 03:22:36 the N900's cam takes epic photos Jul 21 03:22:48 without the battery cover Jul 21 03:22:52 Oh? Jul 21 03:22:58 It makes a difference? Jul 21 03:23:06 a big difference tbh Jul 21 03:23:18 Hmm... Jul 21 03:23:24 * jaem gets out the duct tape Jul 21 03:23:29 the blue part makes photos look shit Jul 21 03:23:33 and your battery cover isn't scratched up/dirty? Jul 21 03:23:57 no, it has an annoying blue colour on the slide Jul 21 03:24:10 which the flash reflects from Jul 21 03:24:29 to make it worse, a chrome bezel surrounds that :p Jul 21 03:24:51 MohammadAG51: Thanks for the tip - I'll check that out later. Jul 21 03:25:06 * MohammadAG51 needs a black marker Jul 21 03:27:56 so... moving 30 metres changes 2 values in the GPS data Jul 21 03:28:07 MohammadAG51: I have one in my pocket if you can figure out a way to pass it to you over IRC :) Jul 21 03:29:46 DCC, duh :P Jul 21 03:30:00 MohammadAG51: Ah, right. Jul 21 03:31:29 ~seen javispedro Jul 21 03:31:32 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 55d 2h 32m 17s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. Jul 21 03:31:41 hmm Jul 21 03:32:28 MohammadAG: interesting, that makes me want to find a spare cover and "adjust" it Jul 21 03:33:39 yeah, should be doable Jul 21 03:34:37 pry off blue part, break apart, use matte black square, reassemble with... well, what Nokia uses, glue Jul 21 03:35:28 luke: gps? Jul 21 03:36:25 Maybe GAN's run really was 49MPH - if he can write as he types. Jul 21 03:36:52 run as Jul 21 03:39:44 I wish. Jul 21 03:55:00 octets 2e and 2f make up GPS eph Jul 21 03:55:18 SpeedEvil: yeah Jul 21 03:55:31 SpeedEvil: analyzing the data from the phonet GPS socket Jul 21 03:56:32 0x30 *might* be the fraction of the GPS eph Jul 21 03:59:44 * luke-jr ponders what units it uses to represent lat/lon Jul 21 04:00:08 kelvins, cause it's that messed up Jul 21 04:01:15 yay, My Nokia crashes now Jul 21 04:04:33 ah Jul 21 04:06:29 SpeedEvil: care to get me a GPS packet from a different lat/lon? :) Jul 21 04:06:45 MohammadAG51: I don't think kelvins can represent coordinates... Jul 21 04:07:11 luke-jr, http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm Jul 21 04:07:12 strace -p 6225 -e read=6 2>&1 | grep '| 000' Jul 21 04:07:19 where 6225 is the PID of location-daemon Jul 21 04:07:55 hahaha Jul 21 04:08:09 MohammadAG51: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/NO_U Jul 21 04:08:44 maybe if you were able to measure the bmr and determine the quantum state of each individual coordinate of space and reference it in a 6 dimentional grid Jul 21 04:09:30 determining the spread of energy across the universe and keeping it constantly updated as the energy spreads throughout the system.. then you can use kelvins Jul 21 04:09:49 luke-jr, how long should it take? Jul 21 04:09:55 (strace) Jul 21 04:09:57 MohammadAG51: a few seconds Jul 21 04:10:03 oh, done Jul 21 04:10:10 hex? Jul 21 04:10:24 yeah Jul 21 04:10:36 why isn't there a hex calculator on the N900 Jul 21 04:10:38 cc-byte long one is ideal Jul 21 04:10:55 MohammadAG51: install the hp calculator Jul 21 04:11:11 already installed, sec Jul 21 04:11:58 why aren't there casio emulators Jul 21 04:12:45 MohammadAG51: gonna pastebin it? :P Jul 21 04:15:36 yeah... right :P Jul 21 04:16:14 i would, since i don't usually give a crap, but at a friend's house so, nope :P Jul 21 04:21:46 luke-jr, hmm, got something to show lon/lat on a map? Jul 21 04:22:01 MohammadAG51: Google Maps? Jul 21 04:22:12 N900 friendly? Jul 21 04:22:38 Ovi Maps? Jul 21 04:22:49 lol Jul 21 04:23:57 hmm Jul 21 04:24:04 that's kinda close Jul 21 04:25:15 hmm Jul 21 04:25:36 luke-jr, convert both values to hex, then check the first two numbers on google maps Jul 21 04:25:53 err, to decimals Jul 21 04:26:07 MohammadAG51: they're nothing like my lat/lon :/ Jul 21 04:26:10 seems to be an out of syntax lon/lat Jul 21 04:26:18 and that's to be expected Jul 21 04:26:24 I can't walk far enough to change lat/lon :) Jul 21 04:26:30 weird, they were close here Jul 21 04:26:39 I went about 30m Jul 21 04:27:03 what was close? Jul 21 04:27:09 mhm? Jul 21 04:27:13 the lon/lat... Jul 21 04:27:20 ... Jul 21 04:27:37 what values are you looking at? :P Jul 21 04:27:52 I didn't specify the two values I was Jul 21 04:27:59 when you have bad fix (my wlan/cell tower triangulation) then coords are quite static Jul 21 04:28:32 aka same position for *some* hundred meters around Jul 21 04:46:48 Check if they match CellIDs Jul 21 04:47:12 I'd suspect that liblocation queries servers over internet to map cellid to coordinates Jul 21 05:00:19 you can query the quality of the fix (how it was obtained and precision) Jul 21 05:04:57 Night (or morning, since it's 8AM :/) Jul 21 05:05:51 morn Jul 21 05:05:58 7:00 here :P Jul 21 05:06:16 been awake since 1 PM Jul 21 05:06:23 "We plan to be rebellious, loud, challenging, critical and outrageously creative right at the heart of Symbian governance." Jul 21 05:06:32 lol Jul 21 05:06:37 RST38h: [citation needed] Jul 21 05:06:50 -- The Symbian Developer Cooperative Jul 21 05:06:54 Stskeeps: Happy now? ;) Jul 21 05:07:10 * MohammadAG51 bans RST38h from the wiki Jul 21 05:07:37 http://www.symbiandevco.org/home Jul 21 05:07:44 RST38h: oh dear Jul 21 05:07:55 exactly Jul 21 05:08:02 * RST38h gives a satanic laugh Jul 21 05:08:39 lmao http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/antenna-aid-bandages-your-iphone-4-reception-issue-hopes-for-ro/ Jul 21 05:08:41 RST38h: then again, it does illustrate where meego has some benefits Jul 21 05:09:08 RST38h: there's very little red tape for any contribution, compared to the shitload in this one.. Jul 21 05:09:11 :P Jul 21 05:09:12 outrageously creative! oh my Jul 21 05:11:34 http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iphone-4-antenna-decal.jpg -- I like that one better Jul 21 05:12:32 lol Jul 21 05:12:57 Stskeeps: I do not see it that way Jul 21 05:13:52 STskeeps: What I see is business as usual. Nokia adapting Moblin to replae Debian in Maemo. Intel continuing to develop several strains of Moblin for different devices, including mobile. Jul 21 05:14:20 Stskeeps: Grudgingly accepting Qt as its toolkit Jul 21 05:14:35 Stskeeps: As to the rest of us, we are left to watch technology demos Jul 21 05:15:22 mm, i would disagree, but ok Jul 21 05:15:36 while i do complain a lot, there is good parts of what's going on and very positive things Jul 21 05:15:38 Stskeeps: Continuity with Maemo has been successfully broken by moving the whole meego thing to a different site with a different forum. Jul 21 05:16:06 otoh, not bringing over the large wad of idiots from tmo.. Jul 21 05:16:07 :P Jul 21 05:16:16 Stskeeps: I am sure there are positive things going on, but the overall direction is as I described above Jul 21 05:16:49 you're thinking continuity with maemo.org though, in terms of maemo, it's not a big leap from the initial harmattan architecture descriptions Jul 21 05:16:57 Stskeeps: I am not sure not bringing the lemmings has been worth losing continuity Jul 21 05:17:08 where the OS would be a minimal core with a qt stack on top Jul 21 05:17:17 Stskeeps: Yea, as I said before, Meego is just another generation of Maemo Jul 21 05:17:59 Stskeeps: So, insisting on it being something new, with its own web sites, forum, etc is rather counterproductive Jul 21 05:18:25 Stskeeps: Especially after Nokia claimed that it "brings community to the Meego deal" Jul 21 05:18:25 well, i disagree, but so it goes Jul 21 05:19:26 * Stskeeps wonders why his laptop sound is hosed Jul 21 05:20:08 Stskeeps: any idea on GPS phonet protocol? Jul 21 05:25:36 NMEA in EBCDIC :) Jul 21 05:26:45 ahahhahaha Jul 21 05:27:21 When the US government needed to encrypt their data, they contacted IBM for that. Jul 21 05:27:32 And IBM came up with EBCDIC. Jul 21 05:27:34 ;) Jul 21 05:29:07 luke-jr: no sorry, check ISI headers Jul 21 05:29:08 ISI? Jul 21 05:29:36 there's this closed pkg with all isi messages, cellmo-something Jul 21 05:30:28 ... Jul 21 05:31:59 there is no cellmo-* anything Jul 21 05:32:22 did you add the closed nokia-binaries repo to your sdk? Jul 21 05:34:05 I don't use a SDK Jul 21 05:34:10 well then Jul 21 05:34:23 http://maemo.org/packages/view/cellmo-icpr82-headers/ says Nokia added then removed it Jul 21 05:34:28 so I guess there's no place to get it Jul 21 05:34:33 ah, lovely Jul 21 05:38:02 Stskeeps: I managed to figure out a couple of items Jul 21 05:38:07 but not the all-important lat/lon :/ Jul 21 05:56:36 hi Jul 21 05:57:09 what could be wrong. i got tv cables, i connect it to tv and output is black. i hear sounds.. Jul 21 05:58:19 SpeedEvil, tried offline mode now, doesnt change anything Jul 21 06:12:21 anyone? Jul 21 06:23:11 ;_; @ vsync bug Jul 21 06:23:14 so annoying Jul 21 06:36:20 vsync bug? .. there is no vsync at all :P Jul 21 06:41:36 cehteh, yeah, that ;_; Jul 21 06:42:02 it cant be buggy when its not there :) Jul 21 06:42:17 meh, you know what I mean Jul 21 06:42:33 :P Jul 21 07:09:58 luke-jr: meh, tokyo magnitude is depressing :P Jul 21 07:16:02 STSkeeps, are you based in Tokyo? Jul 21 07:16:10 no Jul 21 07:16:15 anime Jul 21 07:16:47 Ok, I should grab a cup of coffee first before joining IRC communications .. Jul 21 07:22:40 Stskeeps is an anime? Jul 21 07:28:40 Hmmm Jul 21 07:29:47 * Stskeeps ponders idly what the ubuntu guys were smoking when moving all buttons to left side of window Jul 21 07:29:54 ljp, as in the name of one? not an anime fan, but i dont think so Jul 21 07:30:14 Stskeeps is in an anime though Jul 21 07:30:45 i guess its better than being a shell script Jul 21 07:31:07 Stskeeps: were playing pocket billiards most likely Jul 21 07:34:31 Hi guys! My N900 disconnects rather often from the mobile internet and then cannot reconnect unless I do a restart. Is this a problem with my SIM-card, the carrier or Maemo? Jul 21 07:36:41 is there a spellchecker for microb? I would of bet my car there was before today, but seriously can't find one. Jul 21 07:36:44 Coke, have you tried in another phone? Jul 21 07:36:53 anyone know how to delete modest contacts? if I delete a contact in the adress book modest for some reasno still hangs on to it.. Jul 21 07:37:35 TermanaN900: no. sry. Jul 21 07:38:51 Tuco11: it's same address book as your contact list Jul 21 07:39:59 Coke, mine never does it and i can stay connected basically all day. So i would say its something to do with your carrier or maybe the APN your using? Jul 21 07:41:07 TermanaN900: APN ? Jul 21 07:41:12 TermanaN900: yeah, might just be the carrier. Jul 21 07:41:37 Just wanted to check with another N900 owner. Jul 21 07:44:04 anyone know about a spell checker for microb? Jul 21 07:44:17 yeah, brain Jul 21 07:46:15 TermanaN900: thanks for the reply! Jul 21 08:05:25 what could be wrong. i got tv cables, i connect it to tv and output is black. i hear sounds.. Jul 21 08:05:35 os maemo 5 Jul 21 08:17:41 iPeter: check PAL/NTSC mode selection Jul 21 08:23:11 RST38h: its on pal and here we use pal Jul 21 08:30:27 obvious question, you're plugging the cables into the right sort of 3-socket composite input, not rgb inputs, right? Jul 21 08:31:35 He must have got a SCART for RGB Jul 21 08:31:40 * RST38h laughs satanically Jul 21 08:32:17 RST38h, you laugh like that a lot lately - have you been to hell and back? Jul 21 08:32:21 well, or hes trying to put the three composite cables into three of the 5 inputs available for component rgb :p Jul 21 08:32:35 thatd give sound if he gets the right one plugged in right, but no picture obviously Jul 21 08:35:43 no. it worked before n same tv, same cable.. Jul 21 08:37:31 Morning everyone Jul 21 08:37:34 its 3socet yellow, white and red, works on ext3 channel Jul 21 08:37:38 RST38h: .. Jul 21 08:38:32 and when i plug it in, screen on tv changes from blue to black.. Jul 21 08:42:24 so... is the front camera *that* crappy or it's just Mirror that sucks? Jul 21 08:42:54 front camera is the problem Jul 21 08:42:57 Mirror doesn't use the sunglasses compensation :) Jul 21 08:43:22 Does it look equally crappy in video calls? Jul 21 08:43:29 yes Jul 21 08:43:32 No Jul 21 08:43:36 yes Jul 21 08:43:38 nope Jul 21 08:43:38 They clean it up a bit. Jul 21 08:43:52 Is it fullscreen in video call, or smaller? Jul 21 08:43:52 well, it's still a crap Jul 21 08:43:57 but anyone 2 my question? Jul 21 08:44:05 smaller Jul 21 08:44:05 jacekowski: Yes, but not as crappy :) Jul 21 08:44:15 smaller -> doesn't look as crappy :) Jul 21 08:44:37 small pile of shit is better than a big pile. Jul 21 08:44:51 but it's still pile of shit Jul 21 08:52:27 moin konttori Jul 21 08:54:22 has nokia released yet any info about the first meego device? model name, prototype images or anything? Jul 21 08:54:52 Scelt: Do you really think you'd need to ask that if so? Jul 21 08:55:15 Scelt: gruntmaster 3000 Jul 21 08:55:31 thanks for the very precious information! Jul 21 08:55:43 you really answered my humble question Jul 21 08:55:46 first meegodevice can make coffee Jul 21 08:56:20 any PR1.3 yet? Jul 21 08:56:24 atleast that proto what they made Jul 21 08:56:41 you are so sweet guys Jul 21 08:56:43 thanks! Jul 21 08:57:11 why i get only black screen when i connect my n900 to tv? i hear sounds from tv but no video.. Jul 21 08:57:24 Scelt: Nokia *never* announces new items, the appear magically when they appear Jul 21 08:57:29 Scelt: #meego Jul 21 08:58:18 ~pr1.3 Jul 21 08:58:19 from memory, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... Jul 21 08:58:30 ohai Jul 21 08:58:33 DocScrutinizer: I've seen images of N8 Jul 21 08:58:53 seems we should augment that to any new PR evrsion rsp new device Jul 21 09:01:12 Scelt: there are also indications next device might be internal name RX-71, and maybe has no hw-kbd except a dialing block Jul 21 09:02:41 nice Jul 21 09:04:15 Hmmm FCam is cool. Jul 21 09:05:41 This cam app really lets you play with a lot of settings :) Jul 21 09:11:39 ooh? Jul 21 09:11:59 X-Fade: blessn900 is not worth it anyway Jul 21 09:12:30 DocScrutinizer: No but FCam is the real deal. Jul 21 09:12:45 never heard of Jul 21 09:12:58 Guys from Stanford made it. Jul 21 09:13:27 mhm. I found the pr1.2 genuine cam doing a really awesome job Jul 21 09:13:30 Just got uploaded to extras-devel. Jul 21 09:14:15 This one shows light graph, does hdr, burst photos etc etc. Jul 21 09:14:24 mhm Jul 21 09:15:43 http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 21 09:21:07 any pics of that fcamera app? Jul 21 09:21:07 cute Jul 21 09:21:30 Hi, I installed the maemo5 sdk (scratchbox etc) on an Ubuntu 8 box and followed all the docs. I start the maemo window manager with af-sb-init.sh start, the desktop comes up but when opening a QDialog in my app (it has only an OK button) it does not come with the maemo style but looks like a button on the linux desktop.the fonts are too small too compared when running the code on the real device.that way it is hard to develop because I cannot always test on th Jul 21 09:21:31 e device itself. is there a way to fix this to make the fonts on scratchbox and buttons look exactly as on the N900. thanks for infos! Jul 21 09:22:55 benno2: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_development#Scratchbox Jul 21 09:22:57 damn nice to learn there are Nokia people still actively developing cool new stuff for maemo Jul 21 09:23:08 run-standalone.sh is probably what you need Jul 21 09:25:50 amigadave, thanks alot works !! :) Jul 21 09:25:50 DocScrutinizer, what new apps ? :) Jul 21 09:26:31 http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 21 09:33:24 DocScrutinizer, cool :) Jul 21 09:35:49 that fcam thing isn't in repo Jul 21 09:36:04 it is, extras-devel. Jul 21 09:37:25 fcamera is in extras-devel, not fcam iirc Jul 21 09:37:33 it's either different extras-devel Jul 21 09:38:02 fcamera, yes. The lib is fcam, sorry. Jul 21 09:40:52 amigadave, the strange thing I am experiencing on Qt Maemo is: I am using QPlainTextEdit (read only mode) to show some help text and even force the scrollbar to be visible and set textedit->setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); but even though the text is longer than what can be displayed on the QPlainTextEdit no scrollbar is showing up and there is no way to scroll it with the finger. on all other Qt platforms the code works (including symbian) Jul 21 09:42:07 benno2: i do not know how to fix that, but the guys on #qt-maemo might know Jul 21 09:42:33 amigadave, thanks. will ask. it sounds like a bug to me, because I just followed the Qt docs. Jul 21 09:43:59 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free Jul 21 09:44:22 and nothing there Jul 21 09:45:44 hmm, it's HAM searchfail Jul 21 09:46:24 Someone here who can tell me how to set QComboBoxes to show my chosen value as current active value with QT / C++? Jul 21 09:51:27 I know I should use QComboBox::setCurrentText(), but I have no idea how to do it in practise. Jul 21 10:11:13 SpeedEvil: I don't get it how download statistics is meant to be read Jul 21 10:11:25 how can there be falling curves in #dl/time graphs? how can number of downloads diminish? if that's not absolute total of dl, what else is it? Is there no dl-statistics for maemo-devel? Jul 21 10:32:39 DocScrutinizer: i would expect it's delta of downloads over time Jul 21 10:40:18 DocScrutinizer: download stats where? the ones on maemo.org are #dl/per day Jul 21 10:54:28 2010-07-04 19:25:06.484 Nokia Device Browser[54465] [ASSERT] `[NSThread isMainThread]' -[MTMediaObject dealloc]:808 Method 'dealloc' of object > must be called from the main thread Jul 21 10:54:35 oh this makes me so .... Jul 21 10:56:40 jacekowski: "821" for Y axis, without any unit like "dl/day" or whatever, that doesn't make sense for a delta Jul 21 10:57:04 also it's daft Jul 21 10:57:12 not really Jul 21 10:57:22 it tells you how popularity of program has changed Jul 21 10:57:31 but you can get that from total dl chart as well Jul 21 10:57:42 DocScrutinizer: y-axis: Downloads per day Jul 21 10:57:43 besides, where do you see that ? Jul 21 10:57:44 link Jul 21 10:57:58 DocScrutinizer: That is what it says for me at least :) Jul 21 10:58:03 oooh per day. Nice it's written clearly there Jul 21 10:58:16 anyway thanks X-Fade Jul 21 10:58:17 tbf: mac? Jul 21 10:58:22 timeless_mbp: mac? Jul 21 10:58:37 DocScrutinizer: can you show me where do you see that chart anyways Jul 21 10:58:38 DocScrutinizer: Was worried I forgot something ;) Jul 21 10:58:40 i was looking for it Jul 21 10:58:42 yes Jul 21 10:59:03 timeless_mbp: you see, i don't have that sort of problems on PC Jul 21 10:59:27 really? Jul 21 10:59:33 X-Fade: so the Y is actually moving window size 24h sigma? Jul 21 11:00:04 is that because you don't use the sysinternals debugview application? :) Jul 21 11:00:38 incredibly comlex, but easy if you once know about it. Just look at the absolute value every 24h Jul 21 11:00:49 hrm, technet.microsoft.com just advertised ie8 to me Jul 21 11:01:46 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896647.aspx Jul 21 11:01:52 fwiw is DbgView Jul 21 11:04:02 X-Fade: maybe s/y-axis: Downloads per day/y-axis: Downloads during last 24h/ Jul 21 11:04:30 DocScrutinizer: Well that is just not true :) Jul 21 11:04:43 so what else is it then? Jul 21 11:04:46 DocScrutinizer: It shows you how many downloads there were on that day. Jul 21 11:05:05 DocScrutinizer: As you can see the date scale lags a day or two. Jul 21 11:06:37 I can see that curve having continiously falling segments. That can't happen on a per-day graph Jul 21 11:07:23 Sure it can: day1: 10 downloads, day2: 3 downloads. Nothing more, nothing less. Jul 21 11:07:36 Don't look into it too deeply ;) Jul 21 11:07:47 a per-day graph is supposed to have discontinuities, on every window boundary aka date change Jul 21 11:08:27 Ah, you'd like to see a bar graph or something like that? Jul 21 11:08:54 so it's a 24h fixed window extrapolated to simulate a moving window Jul 21 11:09:39 with supporting points every 24h and interpolating in between Jul 21 11:15:26 X-Fade: yes, I'd prefer a graph with constant value for 24h, and discontinuities/jumps every 24h boundary. Or call it a bargraph Jul 21 11:16:41 I mean dl/day constantly dropping during a day confuses shit out of a dtasheets reading EE Jul 21 11:16:59 * frals agrees with DocScrutinizer Jul 21 11:17:07 bargraphs to the people! Jul 21 11:23:04 a simple question on same topic: is there a statistic for extras-devel pkgs as well? Seem unable to find it Jul 21 11:24:23 * achipa wonders if there is an another WVGA armv7l Linux device with Flash 10.1, or did he just see an N9 Jul 21 11:25:05 lbt, the package is ready Jul 21 11:25:21 achipa: hmm? Jul 21 11:27:20 look at this for example: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/n900-i18n-pt-br/# I really don't get it what that means Jul 21 11:27:25 Stskeeps: generating some stats on a few web servers... I maintain and I usually generate separate stats for mobile devices (to gauge popularity, etc), and I have a non-Android 800x480 armv7l with Flash 10.1 in the 'unclassified' section Jul 21 11:27:47 frals: I have too few bars on my N900 - can't nokia show me how to get more bars - like apple did to iphone 4? ;) Jul 21 11:28:19 tybollt: we need a sking that changes the bar sizes Jul 21 11:28:24 s/sking/skin/ Jul 21 11:28:24 achipa meant: tybollt: we need a skin that changes the bar sizes Jul 21 11:28:31 tybollt: I'll do that for you. please move 100 bucks to my account :-P Jul 21 11:28:39 achipa: webos? Jul 21 11:28:40 DocScrutinizer: :-) Jul 21 11:28:55 Stskeeps, webOS has flash 10.1? Jul 21 11:29:03 dunno Jul 21 11:29:09 MohammadAG51: has been announced for it, but not yet released Jul 21 11:29:31 same as the N900 then? Jul 21 11:29:53 Stskeeps: what's the sory with meego and GPS? (sorry I know not completely on topic here) Jul 21 11:29:59 story even Jul 21 11:30:08 DocScrutinizer: don't know yet Jul 21 11:30:12 Stskeeps: I gather GPS needs a blob Jul 21 11:30:18 MohammadAG51: nope, it has not even been announced for the N900 (nor MeeGo for that matter) Jul 21 11:30:20 afaik gps sits behind cellmo Jul 21 11:30:25 yep Jul 21 11:30:30 achipa: Movial will be doing ARM flash for meego, it seems like Jul 21 11:30:33 that's the tale Jul 21 11:31:06 Stskeeps: i see, well, at least SOMEONE is working on it :) Jul 21 11:31:06 hmm, can't that be backported? Jul 21 11:32:34 Stskeeps: nope, I checked, it's not a Pre Jul 21 11:33:07 does anyone know the Flash version that comes with FroYo ? Jul 21 11:33:18 (just to check if it is maybe a transplant hack) Jul 21 11:33:23 though actually GPS (N6200) module is a separate chip largely unrelated to cellmo, and only is connected to system via i2c to RAPUYAMA cellmo, so basically cellmo just handing thru I'd say Jul 21 11:33:31 Stskeeps: ^^^ Jul 21 11:33:45 i have a quick question, is there a program to connect to a pptp vpn on maemo 5? Jul 21 11:34:05 DocScrutinizer: i think the more interesting question is if the gps thing will be a blob plugin inside geoclue or some other framework.. Jul 21 11:34:31 Stskeeps: I guess that's mainly done to accomodate some weird GSM regulations demanding cellmo has direct access to GPS, for emergency signalling Jul 21 11:34:39 DocScrutinizer: that's possible Jul 21 11:34:57 DocScrutinizer: we haven't discussed gps yet since well, telephony and connectivity is higher priority Jul 21 11:35:00 :P Jul 21 11:35:50 Stskeeps: could you ask Nokia to document bridging from cellmo interface to the GPS I2C ? Jul 21 11:36:27 DocScrutinizer: as i said to luke earlier today, there used to be ISI headers talking about this stuff Jul 21 11:36:42 I'd not surprised to find N6200 even talking NMEA to RAPUYAMA cellmo Jul 21 11:37:09 or at least being able to do so Jul 21 11:37:48 so if we could get a clean transparent bridging through rapuyama, we'd probably better off than with ISI Jul 21 11:38:22 * DocScrutinizer does a quick lokup what chip N6200 actually is Jul 21 11:44:12 DocScrutinizer: could you ask me again in august when people are back? gps matter might be more than a few messages .. also, use case needed Jul 21 11:44:18 N6200? Jul 21 11:44:32 Ah, the GPS. Jul 21 11:45:22 Stskeeps: sure. And for usecase: reate FOSS driver for xxxx(wait a minute for s/xxxx//) Jul 21 11:46:17 Does ofono support a serial bridge? Jul 21 11:46:46 I think I remember reading somewhere that there's an AT command to switch some kind of session/channel type thing. Jul 21 11:46:53 But I don't recall Jul 21 11:47:26 MCS D761660CL Jul 21 11:47:37 =N6200 GPS chip Jul 21 11:48:09 navilink? Jul 21 11:51:49 Texas Instruments, NL5350, GPS - Single-Chip, A-GPS, NaviLink 5.0, MCS, D761660CL, Jul 21 11:53:15 sure that's it? Jul 21 11:53:47 same chip as in n8x0 Jul 21 11:53:48 er, n810 Jul 21 11:53:56 quite sure about D761660CL, Jul 21 11:55:00 well, then help out with luke-jr's efforts :P Jul 21 11:55:05 the rest is a quote from http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Nokia_N900_Mobile_Phone-whatsinside_text-90.aspx - I'd say those dudes know what they are talking about Jul 21 11:55:34 help out with luke-jr ? what efforts? Jul 21 11:55:47 he spent a bunch of time reverse engineering n810's gpsdriver Jul 21 11:55:58 ooh I see Jul 21 11:59:03 any news on the serial console work or charging? Jul 21 12:13:51 luke-jr: ping Jul 21 12:14:05 luke-jr: re: gps packet how Jul 21 12:15:07 Stskeeps: n810s gpsdriver work is mostly unimportant Jul 21 12:15:22 Stskeeps: simply as that driver is inside the cellmo. Jul 21 12:15:26 fair enough Jul 21 12:16:20 On n810 (and indeed neo1973 and some other devices) around 60MHZ CPU was used to do the required sums for that GPS. On the n900 - this does not happen Jul 21 12:16:26 So the cellmo is doing it Jul 21 12:17:01 DocScrutinizer Download statistics where? Jul 21 12:18:02 Pforce, Hi, I've just downloaded your dropn900 package, thx Jul 21 12:18:28 Pforce, just one observation, you should include python-qt4 in the deependencies Jul 21 12:18:56 SpeedEvil: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12776&contentId=30978 Jul 21 12:19:30 SpeedEvil: [2010-07-21 13:35:49] Stskeeps: could you ask Nokia to document bridging from cellmo interface to the GPS I2C ? Jul 21 12:19:56 SpeedEvil: ( DocScrutinizer Download statistics where?) that's been the question Jul 21 12:21:10 http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5 replace fmms with packagename Jul 21 12:23:34 ah - right Jul 21 12:23:44 frals: For me that just shows code of presumably fetch.php :o Jul 21 12:23:53 DocScrutinizer: those statstics are summations of the downloads from midnight to midnight Jul 21 12:23:55 MiXu-: naah Jul 21 12:24:30 MiXu-: those are unix timestamps of midnights, and download counts for that day Jul 21 12:24:43 oh, I see Jul 21 12:24:59 wohoo, my app has been downloaded 54 times Jul 21 12:25:03 http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras Jul 21 12:25:07 for example Jul 21 12:25:13 SpeedEvil: yep, as I said above: support point every 24h (actually looks like every 48h) and then just "drawing lines in between points" which are largely meanngless Jul 21 12:25:17 that shows a nice graph Jul 21 12:25:23 yes Jul 21 12:25:23 Me testing stuff represents probably at least 15 downloads ;) Jul 21 12:25:52 SpeedEvil: ooh this URL looks decent Jul 21 12:25:55 thanks Jul 21 12:26:57 bah, my numbers are low, need to push a new version! Jul 21 12:26:58 If you look closely, it does in fact have data every 24h Jul 21 12:28:43 I still don't get it anyway. What is this http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=starhash-enabler&os=Maemo5&repo=extras-devel telling me now? Jul 21 12:29:48 Did you upload it yesterday? Jul 21 12:29:50 first day you had 82 downloads, second 137 Jul 21 12:29:53 It's telling you that... Jul 21 12:29:55 yeah that Jul 21 12:30:21 does that mean 2 days ago ( a period that has no predecessor so it isn't shown) it was ... err yep Jul 21 12:30:23 so if you haven't pushed a new version, you probably have around 82+137 downloaders Jul 21 12:30:41 minus ones that have redownloaded it for some reason Jul 21 12:32:12 ok, seems semi-clear now Jul 21 12:32:21 just confusing like hell Jul 21 12:34:48 I'd really prefer absolute since epoch dl-numbers, or at least bargraphs if you're actually showing 24h fixed window #dl Jul 21 12:35:58 SpeedEvil: look at that http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/n900-i18n-pt-br/# I really get confused what to read from it Jul 21 12:36:37 you don't tell me there's a 5 days period with absolutely linear decay of dl/day? Jul 21 12:37:11 hell that's screwed Jul 21 12:37:24 when? Jul 21 12:37:29 he had 5 days of nearly the same dl/day, then a spike of 500 Jul 21 12:37:48 yeah Jul 21 12:37:55 it's not integrating downloads/day Jul 21 12:38:01 it's showing the raw figure Jul 21 12:38:05 oooh, looks different hat 60min ago Jul 21 12:40:13 also this one has two highlighted periods: jul10..12 and jul17..19. Is that just weekend or what? Jul 21 12:41:56 bastard dissing our n900 in comments on youtube @/ Jul 21 12:42:20 frals: an hour ago it was a different scale on Y, due to the spike at end missing. And it was a completely straight line going down from something like 83 to 60 over 5 days. You'd not expect 5 days in sequence are such exactly linear decay Jul 21 12:43:08 more looks like there were no data points during that period and line was drawn from jul12 to jul17 Jul 21 12:43:12 or somesuch Jul 21 12:43:25 look at the raw - php - data Jul 21 12:43:46 mhm Jul 21 12:45:46 nah, can't find that, just 28 lines of embedded js. nevermind. it's just confusing like hell, and largely meaningless or counter-intuitive Jul 21 12:49:41 I wish I could find a decent datasheet about NL5350 Jul 21 12:51:12 http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5 Jul 21 12:51:31 $(function () { var d = [[1262901600000,134],[1262988000000,626],[1263074400000,807],[1263160800000,917],[1263247200000,1898],[1263333600000,1189],[1263420000000,1289],[1263506400000,330],[1263765600000,1322],[1263852000000,1382],[1263938400000,1126],[1264024800000,1954],[1264111200000,2272],[1264197600000,1658],[1264284000000,992],[1264370400000,624],[1264456800000,397],[1264543200000,2274],[1264629600000,2311],[1264716000000,965],[1264802400000 Jul 21 12:51:41 the pairs are time, and count. Jul 21 12:51:55 Hello. On my N900, if I pair with certain phones, they can browse my files. I want to do it the other way around, and browse another phone's files. Anyone? Jul 21 12:51:58 time in seconds after epoch Jul 21 12:53:01 SpeedEvil: thanks :-) Jul 21 12:54:36 now if I'd bother that much and was really good in webshit, I could write my own CSS displaying bargraphs of a constant width of 24h for each tuple, instead of drawing a meaningless line between all the support points Jul 21 12:56:10 oh, the pain Jul 21 12:57:00 Or you just use gnuplot Jul 21 12:57:58 svg! Jul 21 12:59:42 awk 'NR==1{split($7,a,"]");for(x=1;x in a;x++){split(a[x],b,"[,");print b[2],b[3]}}' or something Jul 21 13:01:08 mhm Jul 21 13:01:25 slightly more complex than var plot = $.plot($("#placeholder"), [d], options); Jul 21 13:02:52 thanks for keeping patient with me :-) Jul 21 13:03:00 cya Jul 21 13:13:24 DocScrutinizer: ... Jul 21 13:14:57 hi, where can I find the maemo kernel only? Jul 21 13:15:17 I loaded the meego kernel and I want to return to the maemo one Jul 21 13:18:09 drizztbsd: the power users kernel is in the maemo repositories.. not sure where the original kernel is. Jul 21 13:18:49 * hno is also not sure why one woult want to run the original kernel instead of the power user variant.. Jul 21 13:19:45 hno: because I don't care about the power kernel modifications? Jul 21 13:19:48 hmm Jul 21 13:22:54 drizztbsd: I unpacked mine from the fiasco image. Jul 21 13:23:41 drizztbsd: Some forum posts say "apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher" Jul 21 13:23:50 which makes a bit of sense. Jul 21 13:25:21 hno: I think he's stuck on meego at the moment ... Jul 21 13:27:13 (GPS NL5350) http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0jl7pGiHencJ:lgf.pastebin.com/NB3gDF0E+nl5350&cd=11&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de Jul 21 13:27:30 luke-jr: ?? Jul 21 13:27:44 DocScrutinizer: wanna help with GPS? Jul 21 13:28:31 wanna exploit GPS, plus GPS in meego-N900 / SHR / free&open GPS in maemo... Jul 21 13:31:00 .. Jul 21 13:31:12 Is that android gpsd open? :) Jul 21 13:31:34 DocScrutinizer: get a fix and strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep '| 000' Jul 21 13:31:58 luke-jr: o.O Jul 21 13:32:17 alterego: dunno Jul 21 13:32:31 just found it and felt like sharing Jul 21 13:32:38 DocScrutinizer: pastebin some output plz Jul 21 13:32:45 k Jul 21 13:32:49 mompls Jul 21 13:35:01 did nothing for me luke-jr Jul 21 13:35:31 ah no strace :) Jul 21 13:38:33 SpeedEvil: watch out with the heavy function dumps Jul 21 13:39:21 DocScrutinizer: ? Jul 21 13:40:11 luke-jr: lots of output, same segment. is that what you're looking for? Jul 21 13:40:24 alterego: maybe Jul 21 13:40:33 luke-jr: do you want a couple of blocks? Jul 21 13:40:54 luke-jr: meh, TTFF = epoch Jul 21 13:41:39 alterego: yeah Jul 21 13:41:48 luke-jr: http://pastie.org/1053666 Jul 21 13:41:59 alterego: specifically, I'm working with ones of length 0xcc Jul 21 13:42:02 all done on my N900 directly from bed :D Jul 21 13:42:31 alterego: care to share lat/lon for reference? :P Jul 21 13:42:58 52 Jul 21 13:43:11 alterego: can you get any 0xcc-length ones? Jul 21 13:43:24 crashanddie: what? Jul 21 13:43:50 luke-jr: what's needed? Jul 21 13:43:51 oh Jul 21 13:43:52 luke-jr: 52.0818 0.01789 Jul 21 13:43:58 luke-jr: how? Jul 21 13:44:22 alterego: 0xcc is a row labelled 000c0 with 8 + 4 columns Jul 21 13:44:54 the actual packets are variable length; I haven't identified what controls that aspect yet Jul 21 13:45:07 weird, it's not outputting 000c Jul 21 13:45:19 at all? Jul 21 13:45:23 Nope Jul 21 13:45:26 hmm Jul 21 13:45:32 Those blocks were direct copy paste. Jul 21 13:45:36 right Jul 21 13:45:46 mine tend to vary in length Jul 21 13:45:54 Oh wait, okay Jul 21 13:48:23 I'd imagne the longer ones are sat info that gets updated every 5 seconds rather than the positional data which is every second. Jul 21 13:49:22 alterego: not likely Jul 21 13:49:46 I get about 4 or 5 concurrent at times Jul 21 13:49:51 s/concurrent/sequential Jul 21 13:51:03 Yeah, noticed that tooo... Jul 21 13:51:03 luke-jr: still no fix :-( Jul 21 13:52:26 luke-jr: reload that pastie and I added a 000c0 length one. Jul 21 13:52:42 Would you prefer it if I just created a file and uploaded it? :) Jul 21 13:53:11 luke-jr: is there a nice way tot turn on gps? Jul 21 13:55:10 SpeedEvil: advanced geocaching tool thing locks GPS on Jul 21 13:56:14 That would mean I need to go outside though... Jul 21 13:56:17 hmm Jul 21 13:56:38 lol Jul 21 13:56:39 Heh Jul 21 13:56:39 why Jul 21 13:57:19 phone is outside, in greenhouse, with a clear view of the sky Jul 21 13:57:26 I forgot to turn GPS on. Jul 21 13:58:42 SpeedEvil: run: http://alterego.metapath.org/Columbus Jul 21 13:59:09 blargh. had to close all apps using GPS, and restart gpsjinni -> fix after 30s Jul 21 13:59:11 It just d#ispays GPS info, but it'll start the gps :) Jul 21 13:59:30 question: I have 2 targets in scratchbox: armel and x86.I test the apps in the x86 targets because I can use pulseaudio etc. I installed subversion on the armel target and it works. but when I change to the x86 target I don't see subversion as installable package. any idea how to do it ? Jul 21 13:59:36 really, seems if GPS doesn't manage to get a fix in less than 60s, it never recovers Jul 21 13:59:39 hm Jul 21 14:00:01 what do you do to extract a rar with a password with unrar non-free? Jul 21 14:00:15 i thought it was -p Jul 21 14:00:21 man page is lacking Jul 21 14:00:28 Macer: I thought it prompted... Jul 21 14:00:31 alterego: that's a binary? Jul 21 14:00:33 hm Jul 21 14:00:41 alterego: me too Jul 21 14:00:48 SpeedEvil: yeah, it's a Qt app I'm working on. Jul 21 14:00:49 guess i will just write it off Jul 21 14:01:07 luke-jr: http://paste.debian.net/81061/ Jul 21 14:01:12 k Jul 21 14:02:00 ./Columbus: error while loading shared libraries: libQtLocation.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 21 14:02:00 - prerequisites? Jul 21 14:02:53 Hrm, I thought PR1.2 ... Jul 21 14:03:12 DocScrutinizer: where at? Jul 21 14:03:16 It'll be 1t mobility or location or something Jul 21 14:03:26 That's a pain. Jul 21 14:04:05 DocScrutinizer: no 0xcc-length pkts in yours Jul 21 14:04:22 luke-jr: almost half a meg for you: http://alterego.metapath.org/strace_location-daemon.dump Jul 21 14:04:36 luke-jr: 49.45/11.05 Jul 21 14:04:54 luke-jr: what do you need? Jul 21 14:05:01 0xcc length?? Jul 21 14:05:05 hm Jul 21 14:05:08 got it Jul 21 14:05:11 DocScrutinizer: yeah, some packets are 0xcc bytes long Jul 21 14:05:25 seems like it didnt want to extract over nfs for some reason Jul 21 14:05:28 odd Jul 21 14:05:29 luke-jr: I've had some go over OxDO Jul 21 14:05:39 so longer than normal Jul 21 14:05:40 ? Jul 21 14:05:42 ah well. whatever :) Jul 21 14:05:47 DocScrutinizer: pretty normal for me Jul 21 14:05:59 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 21 14:05:59 Macer: readonly fs? :P Jul 21 14:06:23 tell me what exactly you want me to do Jul 21 14:06:56 luke-jr: if you'd like I could get my app to log all the gps info in a more user friendly manner and time stamp both. Might help you correlate? Jul 21 14:07:02 alterego: no Jul 21 14:07:13 checked that ;) Jul 21 14:07:16 alterego: maybe :) Jul 21 14:07:17 Heh Jul 21 14:07:27 DocScrutinizer: that strace cmd; find packets with 0xcc length :) Jul 21 14:07:56 luke-jr: did my previous dump help you at all? :) Jul 21 14:08:03 find: pckets : file not found Jul 21 14:08:04 alterego: yes Jul 21 14:08:10 cool. Jul 21 14:08:13 :-P Jul 21 14:08:18 heh Jul 21 14:08:21 I identified a couple of regions that change only when on the other side of the world Jul 21 14:08:33 Cool Jul 21 14:09:03 Maybe we could start a tmo campaign to get users to run this command and give you a larger dataset Jul 21 14:09:56 7, 20,21, 24,25, 32, 36, 40,41, 56, 6d, c4..cc Jul 21 14:10:15 once I get a fix, I can probably turn some of those into "change over hours" Jul 21 14:10:32 but it's very cloudy and raining Jul 21 14:10:33 :/ Jul 21 14:10:40 Urgh Jul 21 14:10:43 strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep -B 12 '| 000c' ?? Jul 21 14:10:51 luke-jr: is it that what you need? Jul 21 14:11:06 DocScrutinizer: no, I need the full packet, not just the last line Jul 21 14:11:15 -B 12 !! Jul 21 14:11:18 DocScrutinizer: as a human you need to manually pick out ones with cc length Jul 21 14:11:28 no I won't Jul 21 14:11:34 fine, jerk! Jul 21 14:11:38 :p Jul 21 14:12:00 on the brightside, kdebase 4.4 just finished installing on my N900 Jul 21 14:12:15 Heh Jul 21 14:12:54 dude, no luck on packets with a line starting "| 000c" Jul 21 14:14:06 luke-jr: could you please verify my above quoted cmd will yield what you need, please! Jul 21 14:14:18 DocScrutinizer: as I told you, it won't. Jul 21 14:14:24 why? Jul 21 14:15:06 because when you *do* find a packet the correct length, I need *all* the lines, not just the one starting with 000c Jul 21 14:15:13 -B NUM, --before-context=NUM Jul 21 14:15:14 Print NUM lines of leading context before matching lines. Places a line containing a group separator (--) Jul 21 14:15:17 Because you're greping for lines that have 000c Jul 21 14:15:41 Oh, that might wolrk then :P Jul 21 14:15:57 so again!! Jul 21 14:16:00 luke-jr: could you please verify my above quoted cmd will yield what you need, please! Jul 21 14:16:15 oh Jul 21 14:16:17 missed that Jul 21 14:16:19 maybe Jul 21 14:17:00 I'll give it a go as I'm getting lots of c0.s Jul 21 14:17:13 still no hit here Jul 21 14:17:36 I'm only getting b* now; I suspect because no fix Jul 21 14:17:48 that's why I ask for verification of syntax/semantics Jul 21 14:18:02 Works for me :) Jul 21 14:18:07 it's possible 3D fix is needed for cc length Jul 21 14:18:18 I have 3D Jul 21 14:18:28 Some are d0 though ... Jul 21 14:18:39 And they get truncated .. Jul 21 14:19:06 altitude 335.50+/-4.50 Jul 21 14:19:09 hmm Jul 21 14:19:38 Is there anything that appears to increment (the time) ... Jul 21 14:20:30 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep -B 1 '| 0001' Jul 21 14:20:32 | 00000 00 92 01 00 00 00 00 02 02 00 00 00 09 02 00 1c ........ ........ | Jul 21 14:20:33 | 00010 23 29 d6 60 07 dc 98 fd 00 00 04 54 00 00 0e 69 #).`.... ...T...i | Jul 21 14:20:35 -- Jul 21 14:20:36 | 00000 00 92 01 00 00 00 00 02 04 00 00 00 09 03 00 10 ........ ........ | Jul 21 14:20:46 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep -B 12 '| 000c' Jul 21 14:20:49 bada Jul 21 14:20:52 nada Jul 21 14:20:59 blargh bada Jul 21 14:21:16 yuk, did you have to do that :P Jul 21 14:22:03 alterego: a number of areas seems to increment Jul 21 14:22:23 Is it true that 0x00 to 0x0f are static? Jul 21 14:22:53 alterego: except for that byte I mentioned earlier Jul 21 14:23:02 luke-jr: ok screwit - no 0xcc length backets here, actually nothing >= 000c0 Jul 21 14:23:19 two viable time groups: ad,ae,af or bb,bc,bd Jul 21 14:23:35 alterego: byte 7 is different between you and I Jul 21 14:24:08 I was thinking 0x1a - 0x1b Jul 21 14:24:12 is there anything else I can be on service for you, oh master Jul 21 14:24:33 1a,1b are always 00 00 here Jul 21 14:24:55 really? they're incrementing on mine ... Jul 21 14:25:16 the one you sent me has them 00 00 too Jul 21 14:25:33 strage, every now and again they reset to zero Jul 21 14:25:44 apparently randomly. Jul 21 14:25:57 I'm going to write some scripts to do some analysis Jul 21 14:26:01 5b seems to be a packet counter Jul 21 14:26:13 k, obviously not Jul 21 14:26:16 cya Jul 21 14:26:26 Have you managed to actually decode any meaning at all? :) Jul 21 14:26:48 yes Jul 21 14:26:58 3c,3d make up your direction of motion in hundredths of a degree Jul 21 14:27:06 aka 'track' Jul 21 14:27:09 Wow, that's accurate .. Jul 21 14:27:20 2e,2f is eph in cm Jul 21 14:27:38 Nice. Jul 21 14:27:42 Do you have a wiki page? Jul 21 14:27:47 no Jul 21 14:27:49 Would be cool if we could colabborate .. Jul 21 14:27:52 ~collaborate .. Jul 21 14:30:01 Okay, this should be nicer Jul 21 14:30:15 Got that strace command pushing via netcat to a script I can edit on my laptop :) Jul 21 14:30:28 (using tee to save to file) :) Jul 21 14:31:01 netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 :-P Jul 21 14:31:13 DocScrutinizer: what's that? Jul 21 14:31:59 Wow, the pain has actually gone from my mouth. Jul 21 14:32:07 And I don't feel dizzy anymore. Jul 21 14:32:18 Still a golf ball on my face though .. Jul 21 14:32:44 * DocScrutinizer fetching the putter Jul 21 14:33:48 Heh Jul 21 14:34:16 hey all Jul 21 14:36:33 alterego: (wiki) Jul 21 14:36:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS Jul 21 14:36:46 ~hail SpeedEvil Jul 21 14:36:47 * infobot bows down to SpeedEvil and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jul 21 14:37:20 HAIL Jul 21 14:37:33 alterego: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering Jul 21 14:37:34 DocScrutinizer: ? Jul 21 14:39:15 luke-jr: nice :) Jul 21 14:40:39 luke-jr: When I sad 1a,1b I actually meant 18,19 .. Jul 21 14:40:41 :) Jul 21 14:40:59 somebody reversed gps? Jul 21 14:41:07 luke-jr: Seem to be both TS TS .. Jul 21 14:41:16 well, half of 4chan think the liqbase AR is fake, the other half want to screw some star trek babe. on average i think its been taken quite well Jul 21 14:41:29 Hah Jul 21 14:41:33 lcuk: link Jul 21 14:41:39 I've got a friend who's a mod at 4chan .. Jul 21 14:42:02 i got a google hit on it a bit ago, http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/12178989 Jul 21 14:42:31 luke-jr: ok - running Jul 21 14:42:54 luke-jr: what do you want run again? Jul 21 14:43:08 lcuk: they will stalk you Jul 21 14:43:17 lcuk: like they did with boxxy Jul 21 14:43:28 lcuk: and jessi slaughter Jul 21 14:43:30 the tv service? Jul 21 14:43:45 lcuk: be prepared to take hundreds of pizzas Jul 21 14:43:52 lcuk: and loads of spam Jul 21 14:44:10 lcuk: you will have to move out of your house Jul 21 14:44:16 lcuk: stop using all facebooklike apps Jul 21 14:44:17 alterego: 18,19 seem to always be unpredictably different for me Jul 21 14:44:20 and sites* Jul 21 14:44:23 I'm sorry, but are you newfags breaking rules 2 & 3? Jul 21 14:44:26 nice to know jacekowski :S Jul 21 14:44:39 SpeedEvil: strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep -B 12 '| 000c' Jul 21 14:44:44 don't mess witch 4chan Jul 21 14:44:49 or 4chan will mess with you Jul 21 14:44:57 hmm, they will mess with you regardless Jul 21 14:45:00 luke-jr: well, 18 seems to increment and 19 seems to be unpredictable, like miliseconds or something. Jul 21 14:45:10 ehh Jul 21 14:45:14 just open liblocation Jul 21 14:45:20 or location-daemon Jul 21 14:45:22 .. Jul 21 14:45:25 in disassembler Jul 21 14:45:38 jacekowski: then I can't write my replacement Jul 21 14:45:48 jacekowski: wanna make some asm observations for us? :P Jul 21 14:45:49 you can Jul 21 14:45:57 no, that wouldn't be clean-room/legal Jul 21 14:46:10 give me a second Jul 21 14:46:12 i'll do it Jul 21 14:46:24 don't paste anything, just observe and comment on it :P Jul 21 14:47:28 what are you guys doing? Jul 21 14:48:09 what's the name of binary that's doing that stuff? Jul 21 14:48:11 erm Jul 21 14:48:36 when i connect to my phone via usb networking and want to do something unter /home/user/MyDocs i just get 'red-only filesystem' Jul 21 14:48:39 how to fix that? Jul 21 14:48:51 lcuk http://www.mauve.plus.com/log Jul 21 14:48:55 ok Jul 21 14:48:56 i have it Jul 21 14:49:00 luke-jr: http://www.mauve.plus.com/log Jul 21 14:49:32 ah - ok - not quite Jul 21 14:50:10 luke-jr: ok - first log uploaded to that file Jul 21 14:50:21 It will carry on updating every 10 mins Jul 21 14:50:46 red-only? Jul 21 14:50:52 read-only of course Jul 21 14:50:54 sorry. Jul 21 14:50:55 no green or blue? Jul 21 14:51:34 steinex: what are you connecting it via/ Jul 21 14:52:22 SpeedEvil: usb networking (PC Suite Mode) Jul 21 14:52:27 then i ssh in from my linux box Jul 21 14:52:35 steinex: not mass storage? Jul 21 14:52:39 luke-jr: now tell me this doesn't increment: http://pastie.org/1053744 Jul 21 14:52:47 SpeedEvil: then it is definitely read-only, so no. Jul 21 14:52:47 Those are consecutive 0x10 lines Jul 21 14:53:05 luke-jr: ah Jul 21 14:53:13 liblas? Jul 21 14:53:14 luke-jr: would the corresponding gpx be useful Jul 21 14:53:23 any info on liblas? Jul 21 14:53:49 alterego: my definition of increment is strict :) Jul 21 14:53:58 SpeedEvil: if you can get 1:1 mappings Jul 21 14:54:12 luke-jr: well, I think it's a time stamp :P Jul 21 14:54:41 SpeedEvil: otherwise, approximate coords would be handy Jul 21 14:55:12 107.5 9 Jul 21 14:55:48 so we've got no idea what liblas is doing? Jul 21 14:55:51 luke-jr: I've found an anomoly too .. Jul 21 14:56:00 hmmm Jul 21 14:56:04 ooo Jul 21 14:56:05 i know Jul 21 14:56:08 http://liblas.org/faq.html Jul 21 14:56:14 There is a number of geospatial software packages that support read/write of ASPRS LAS Format Jul 21 14:56:29 0x10 contained something completely random .. Jul 21 14:58:37 damn damn damn. i ssh into my n900, rm -rf /home/user/MyDocs/Musik/* Jul 21 14:58:51 after a few seconds at goes into read-only again and the n900 needs a reboot Jul 21 14:58:55 i don't get it. Jul 21 14:59:17 extremely frustrating Jul 21 15:00:02 so going back to location-daemon Jul 21 15:00:09 how do you get coordintes from it Jul 21 15:00:09 luke-jr: I'm right: 18,19 is thousandths of seconds Jul 21 15:00:11 via dbus? Jul 21 15:00:18 but does it send them automaticaly Jul 21 15:00:48 ? Jul 21 15:01:07 Anybody have any experience with eCoach heartrate monitors? Jul 21 15:01:30 steinex: run a fsck Jul 21 15:02:23 luke-jr: so, it is strict, it's strictly incrememnting by 1000 ever second :P Jul 21 15:03:22 kerio: this is the vfat partition... Jul 21 15:03:37 your point? Jul 21 15:04:52 luke-jr: 16 is minutes I believe .. Jul 21 15:04:53 jacekowski, the comments dont seem to be going off the mad side (people like it!), but ill try contacting the administrator if they get out of hand Jul 21 15:05:36 * RST38h yawns Jul 21 15:05:41 helo lcuk Jul 21 15:07:27 alterego: I concur Jul 21 15:07:28 lcuk: have you considered buying reinforced front doors? Jul 21 15:07:33 lcuk: and maybe electric fence? Jul 21 15:07:55 luke-jr: not sure what 17 is, but 16 is clearly minutes Jul 21 15:08:01 like my polish apartment, heh Jul 21 15:08:06 kerio: thanks. Jul 21 15:08:33 luke-jr: and 15 is UTC hours Jul 21 15:08:34 luke-jr: alterego - http://www.mauve.plus.com/log and http://www.mauve.plus.com/gpx - corresponding log and gpx Jul 21 15:08:47 log with strace -t -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|awk '/^[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]/{t=$1;next}/^ |/{print t,$0}' >log Jul 21 15:08:52 Currently for me it says 15:08 Jul 21 15:09:06 .text:0000A6C0 - that's where function processing that shit starts Jul 21 15:09:10 alterego: right Jul 21 15:09:20 Woo! I found a timestamp :D Jul 21 15:09:30 jacekowski, you make it sound so pleasant Jul 21 15:09:44 Annoyingly the gpx has not updated yet Jul 21 15:10:35 luke-jr: 0x10, 0x11 year Jul 21 15:10:39 kerio: now rsync even works in mass storage note... Jul 21 15:10:51 mode* Jul 21 15:10:58 luke-jr: I'm sure you can guess the rest Jul 21 15:11:01 0x12 month Jul 21 15:11:18 0x13 day :) Jul 21 15:11:55 luke-jr: alterego - however - the above timestamp is right Jul 21 15:11:59 i'm going to take a real shot in the dark here... but does anyone here have a squareup dongle and an n900 who wants to test something? Jul 21 15:12:38 great Jul 21 15:12:47 now we can implement ntpd GPS support Jul 21 15:12:50 :P Jul 21 15:13:05 Heeheee Jul 21 15:13:14 Hey, It's my first go at decoding this :P Jul 21 15:13:40 SpeedEvil: sure, and what I'm saying directly corrosponds with your timestamp :P Jul 21 15:14:05 luke-jr: otoh, I don't actually know what I'm looking at. Where are these blocks of data actually coming from? Jul 21 15:14:38 alterego: the cellmo Jul 21 15:14:46 Oh, nice. Jul 21 15:14:56 Can we get to it without location-daemon? Jul 21 15:15:10 :) Jul 21 15:15:12 luke-jr: I hope this contains some more detailed information that we get with liblocation .. Jul 21 15:15:22 unlikely Jul 21 15:15:26 And am I going to get arrested? Jul 21 15:15:29 or rather Jul 21 15:15:34 we can get it w/o location-daemon I hope Jul 21 15:15:40 but probably no more details Jul 21 15:15:45 I just want to get rid of location-daemon Jul 21 15:15:46 :) Jul 21 15:16:03 Ok - if anyonemight find it interesting - the corresponding gpx file has now updated Jul 21 15:16:15 luke-jr: sure, that'd be progress enough. Jul 21 15:16:15 (the gpx logger only flushes caches every 64k) Jul 21 15:16:41 hrm Jul 21 15:17:16 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 Jul 21 15:17:17 Bug 5337: Ovi Maps gives up finding GPS lock too soon Jul 21 15:17:26 lol Jul 21 15:17:29 * SpeedEvil loves the smell of expired certificates in the morning. Jul 21 15:17:42 STILL Jul 21 15:17:51 theres a bug on there but no1 can get on to vote it up Jul 21 15:20:09 It's not like b.m.o is going to get you anywhere productive anyway. Jul 21 15:20:22 The unrenewed cert is just a subtle hint from Nokia. Jul 21 15:20:44 uh oh Jul 21 15:20:53 or 'july' Jul 21 15:20:53 luke-jr: alterego https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1839 Jul 21 15:21:02 clear-gps-cache - may be interesting Jul 21 15:21:51 SpeedEvil: what is it? Jul 21 15:22:12 Ah, an ARM executable Jul 21 15:23:13 What's liblas again? Jul 21 15:24:39 Ah - excitement - live action video! Jul 21 15:24:46 http://www.mauve.plus.com/rat.avi Jul 21 15:25:34 A life or death drama - when the bastard finally gets there Jul 21 15:26:21 0x20 is almost certainly related to latitude Jul 21 15:26:52 you're actually disassembling the comm protocol to cellmo in this area? :P Jul 21 15:27:22 just inducing things from packet captures Jul 21 15:28:34 latitude / 360 * 256 = byte 0x20 Jul 21 15:28:49 not really Jul 21 15:28:50 for all 3 cases I have Jul 21 15:28:51 it's floating point Jul 21 15:28:57 f u jacekowski :P Jul 21 15:29:40 Not sure how to decode floating point. Jul 21 15:29:41 0x10 Jul 21 15:29:46 (in ruby) Jul 21 15:29:52 jacekowski: ... Jul 21 15:30:11 we already determined 0x10 and the bytes following it are date and time Jul 21 15:30:31 hmm, maybe it's different offset in code here Jul 21 15:32:53 luke-jr: I did find that 0x10 occasionally gave me a completely random 16 bytes .. Jul 21 15:33:12 Well, probably not random obviously, but nonsensical as far as what I discovered as the datetime stamp. Jul 21 15:33:36 Ah, just did it again. Jul 21 15:33:45 Oh, this is interesting. Jul 21 15:34:41 ..checksum? Jul 21 15:34:42 :P Jul 21 15:35:11 alterego: on a 0xcc length packet? Jul 21 15:35:17 something's going on Jul 21 15:35:21 alterego: other lengths don't seem to have the same alignment at all Jul 21 15:35:24 do we know what's the 0x01? Jul 21 15:35:24 luke-jr: I'll let you know in a minute :P Jul 21 15:35:57 lcuk: LMAO @ http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/12178989 Jul 21 15:36:47 yes DocScrutinizer Jul 21 15:37:12 they are going to stalk him Jul 21 15:37:19 like they stalked boxxy and jessi slaughter Jul 21 15:37:20 heh Jul 21 15:37:23 lcuk: pkg comes with instructions about to place sme ceiling lamps or the like nearby? Jul 21 15:37:31 why cant they just help me code it :P Jul 21 15:37:34 "its fake though?" Jul 21 15:37:56 visz, its not fake :( Jul 21 15:38:19 i explain it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 Jul 21 15:38:28 lcuk: how good is that thing on Z axis? Jul 21 15:39:03 yeah, but it's so magical that people think it's fake Jul 21 15:39:11 it can scale quite happily but my detection is pretty flatworld and expects the ratios of the triangle to not be too far off square Jul 21 15:40:03 visz, most people dont think its fake, they do however think its related directly to the paper Jul 21 15:40:07 luke-jr: no, but there is something excemely interesting that happens .. Jul 21 15:40:10 luke-jr, jacekowski: what are you doing? Jul 21 15:40:39 what ? did PR1.3 get released ? TMO is load spiraling... Jul 21 15:40:57 slonopotamus: mapping the phonet GPS protocol Jul 21 15:42:53 luke-jr: the first 4 bytes are some kind of message header Jul 21 15:43:11 I've got a nice paste for you to check out. Jul 21 15:43:59 0x01 is event id Jul 21 15:44:14 Ah, that makes sense. Jul 21 15:44:44 it can be either 1 or 5 or Jul 21 15:44:58 hmmm Jul 21 15:45:02 alterego: check back with NMEA Jul 21 15:45:24 0x0d - tracking ongoing Jul 21 15:45:25 alterego: I bet there are parallels Jul 21 15:45:33 Check this out: http://pastie.org/1053820 Jul 21 15:45:35 well, 0x0d - tracking status Jul 21 15:45:40 Strange 4 byte packets :P Jul 21 15:46:10 and 0x04 would be status in 0x0d packet Jul 21 15:46:42 alterego: mode switch? Jul 21 15:46:51 like SI / SO? Jul 21 15:46:53 Possibly, don't really know. Jul 21 15:47:03 SI SO? Jul 21 15:47:21 Actually, I think it's bad processing. Jul 21 15:47:24 aka shift-in shift-out Jul 21 15:47:25 Garbage Jul 21 15:47:29 ASCII Jul 21 15:48:03 check against NMEA Jul 21 15:48:07 After an 00 7d 01 01 the date stamp is F8cked Jul 21 15:48:09 will give you ideas Jul 21 15:52:43 well, so tracking status message is 0x0d Jul 21 15:52:48 if you can catch it it would be nice Jul 21 15:53:38 0x82 - gps state Jul 21 15:53:52 Ah, time is garbage when it doesn't have a lock Jul 21 15:54:39 is anybody making notes? Jul 21 15:54:51 Got a wikipage Jul 21 15:55:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering Jul 21 15:55:59 luke-jr: it's not time seconds and milliseconds, it's just milliseconds .. Jul 21 15:57:25 alterego: jacekowski: also inspiring: http://www.u-blox.com/de/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=46 Jul 21 15:57:33 sorry can't check here :-/ Jul 21 15:58:17 but I know ublox is really good in documentation, and the protocol probably gives you some ideas what you're facing here Jul 21 15:58:26 UBX protocol Jul 21 15:58:53 bloody chm :P Jul 21 15:58:59 yep :-S Jul 21 16:00:29 seem to remember there's been some tool on linux to unpack or display it, but fail to find any Jul 21 16:00:44 alterego: it has seconds too Jul 21 16:01:03 gtg bbl Jul 21 16:01:11 same here Jul 21 16:01:16 o/ Jul 21 16:02:03 luke-jr: where? Jul 21 16:02:37 17000 ms = 17 seconds Jul 21 16:02:47 luke-jr: luke-jr yes Jul 21 16:03:04 but that's not hte unit of mesasurement here. Jul 21 16:03:04 It's in milliseconds. Jul 21 16:03:11 You have to get seconds by dividing by 1000 Jul 21 16:03:22 it's in milliseconds, but it contains seconds Jul 21 16:03:25 that's the point Jul 21 16:03:27 :p Jul 21 16:03:35 No, seconds contain milliseconds :P Jul 21 16:03:51 Those two bytes are clearly milliseconds. Jul 21 16:04:09 there's also a field for elabsed leap-seconds :-P Jul 21 16:04:20 12 iirc - nowadays Jul 21 16:04:24 Oh yeah Jul 21 16:04:28 Forgot about that. Jul 21 16:06:12 and then we even got some geostationary sats to broadcast auxiliary info Jul 21 16:06:26 not many chipsets know about these or use them Jul 21 16:06:44 Aren't those private Jul 21 16:06:50 And probably millitary too :P Jul 21 16:07:33 maybe. I just heard about it, and wondered why most docs and howto never mention them Jul 21 16:07:40 hey all Jul 21 16:08:14 alterego: "private" and "broadcast" do not work together well Jul 21 16:08:17 Well, I know some private institutions do differential GPS with 3rd party satellites. Jul 21 16:08:32 checkout u-blox. They are cool, they are Swiss, and they got uebercool whitepapers and docs Jul 21 16:08:33 slonopotamus: I guess not .. I suppose encryption is meaningless too .. Jul 21 16:09:37 alterego: nope, those I heard of get even sat numbers in GPS, like SV 28..SV34 Jul 21 16:09:44 or somesuch Jul 21 16:10:04 Then maybe we're not talking about the same thing :) Jul 21 16:11:40 :-P http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:ConstellationGPS.gif&filetimestamp=20080306155641 Jul 21 16:19:20 pls someone can try my repository ... for a reason that i didn't understand it s didn't work on my n900 Jul 21 16:19:26 W: GPG error: http://khertan.net fremantle-1.2 Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 Jul 21 16:19:53 Khertan, if its not working for you and its your repo, how the hell can others check it! Jul 21 16:19:56 I have in the past used two-line element sets from http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/orbits/ and xephem to generate nice alt/az/range/rangerate tables for my location. Jul 21 16:20:10 lcuk, check if it s work on their device Jul 21 16:20:29 mine is so customized that some w should not appear on a real maemo dist Jul 21 16:20:55 ok someone confirm ... so ... Jul 21 16:20:56 ANNOUNCE : First release of KhtEditor is available for Maemo : http://khertan.net/khteditor in my repository : http://khertan.net/khertan_repository Jul 21 16:24:32 Khertan, so even if this works, vectormine will be the original version on maemo extras devel etc? Jul 21 16:25:23 lcuk, i didn't care about maemo extras Jul 21 16:26:01 well since most users dont gainroot to update Jul 21 16:26:23 when Community OBS will be ready for Freemantle maybe ... but currently i didn't have any solution Jul 21 16:27:01 as they lock HAM ... it s clearly not my fault ... Jul 21 16:28:02 To be honest we should start a quest to educate users to not use HAM. Jul 21 16:28:15 but it s a major lose of time Jul 21 16:29:51 I love ham Jul 21 16:29:56 though I prefer bacon Jul 21 16:30:09 bacon is awesome Jul 21 16:30:53 I'm not sure if I trust the culinary opinion of someone who eats lint. Jul 21 16:31:30 lint? Jul 21 16:31:32 pancetta > bacon Jul 21 16:31:33 Who eats lint? Jul 21 16:31:37 Khertan: HAM is open source Jul 21 16:31:39 http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager Jul 21 16:31:50 GAN900: ieatlint, presumably. Jul 21 16:32:17 good point Jul 21 16:32:39 derf: don't hate Jul 21 16:33:06 Venemo: then why does it sucks? Jul 21 16:33:08 Venemo, but you can't replace it ... so useless Jul 21 16:33:39 * ieatlint wonders if he can pay people to write code with bacon Jul 21 16:34:00 i want to write bacon with code! Jul 21 16:34:11 10 PRINT 'BACON' Jul 21 16:34:17 kerio: because the silly people make their own app manager instead of contributing to HAM Jul 21 16:34:18 20 GOTO 10 Jul 21 16:35:04 kerio, Corsac http://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png Jul 21 16:35:34 why me? Jul 21 16:35:46 Hey anybody can you help me? I want to put debian (easy debian/ deblet/ whatever) on my 770. Jul 21 16:35:57 oh, it's not related to liq Jul 21 16:35:58 is it possible? Jul 21 16:36:14 wow, bacon Jul 21 16:36:25 liq? Jul 21 16:36:34 kj4rgs770: if it wasn't for the wifi breaking at later kernels, i would have suggested to port meego instead Jul 21 16:36:35 kj4rgs770: not you Jul 21 16:36:47 kj4rgs770: but you're going to face quite an uphill battle :/ Jul 21 16:37:20 Stskeeps, is that why wifi is unstable on meego+n900? Jul 21 16:37:33 Yeah i was wondedring if anybody had any pointers or instructions. i'm fairly new-ish to linux Jul 21 16:37:34 i wonder how it would fair in the 35 kernel... Jul 21 16:38:05 trip0: wifi is actually stable on libiw and supplicant level, it's when connman gets involved.. Jul 21 16:38:12 honestly, I never understood 770 Jul 21 16:38:25 was it popular because of the cheaper price? Jul 21 16:38:39 Stskeeps, oh... conn... man... :| Jul 21 16:39:03 luke-jr: yeah and it is just fun to work with Jul 21 16:39:04 trip0: connman and libdui is some of my favourite names in open source Jul 21 16:39:05 :P Jul 21 16:39:11 luke-jr: it was? Jul 21 16:39:22 Stskeeps, oh, the name is great Jul 21 16:39:24 kj4rgs770: compared to the C760, which was like 5 years earlier, it sucked Jul 21 16:39:31 libdui died though Jul 21 16:39:32 :P Jul 21 16:39:36 or C3200 even Jul 21 16:40:08 luke-jr: never heard of the c760 Jul 21 16:41:25 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7162 Jul 21 16:42:06 C760 has *the* best handheld keyboard ever Jul 21 16:43:02 Stskeeps: you were working on Deblet right? I have tried to use the deblet installer and it cant be installed because it cant find libssl 0.9.8 and debootstrap Jul 21 16:43:45 kj4rgs770: yeah, .. it's rather out of date and sites are dead Jul 21 16:43:49 luke-jr: what about psion? Jul 21 16:44:00 slonopotamus: nfc, never owned one Jul 21 16:44:04 luke-jr: err... that's too big to be called handheld Jul 21 16:44:11 slonopotamus: nonsense Jul 21 16:44:15 Stskeeps: So the installer wont work? Jul 21 16:44:34 slonopotamus: it fit comfortably in my pocket with a wifi CompactFlash sticking out for years Jul 21 16:44:36 kj4rgs770: right Jul 21 16:44:53 luke-jr: big pocket, i guess :P Jul 21 16:45:00 slonopotamus: it's no bigger than N810 Jul 21 16:45:24 actually, *slightly* taller, and not as wide Jul 21 16:45:25 o_O Jul 21 16:45:31 about 2x as thick Jul 21 16:45:39 Stskeeps: Well thanks anyway. Maybe i should upgrade to an n800/810 Jul 21 16:45:46 kj4rgs770: N8x0 is dead Jul 21 16:46:09 luke-jr:Dead? how? Jul 21 16:46:25 kj4rgs770: Nokia won't support it nor provide the community with the specs required to support it Jul 21 16:46:47 kj4rgs770: me and a few others are trying to port Linux to it, but some parts are just too closed... Jul 21 16:47:15 specifically the GPS and battery charger mainly Jul 21 16:47:26 Port linux? like Easy Debian? Jul 21 16:47:36 kj4rgs770: like Gentoo and MeeGo Jul 21 16:47:52 but AFAIK the same kernel should work for Debian Jul 21 16:48:02 fcamA? Jul 21 16:48:13 luke-jr: Oh. Whats MeeGo ive seen it mentioned a few times Jul 21 16:48:26 kj4rgs770: MeeGo is what Nokia is replacing Maemo with Jul 21 16:48:36 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/21/fcam-unleashed-for-the-nokia-n900/ Jul 21 16:48:37 kj4rgs770: also MeeGo is what IBM or Intel is replacing Moblin with Jul 21 16:48:40 lcuk: niom niom niom Jul 21 16:48:41 I guess that was the big news ... Jul 21 16:49:03 alterego: but Nokia won't support MeeGo officially for N8x0 or even N900 Jul 21 16:49:13 oh ok well thanks all i got to go Jul 21 16:49:17 alterego: so MeeGo for N8x0 is community effort Jul 21 16:49:59 * slonopotamus thinks if nokia supported meego on n900, it would give them lots of karma Jul 21 16:50:09 they kinda do though Jul 21 16:50:20 i mean, not phone calls support but.. Jul 21 16:50:24 as in, support lines Jul 21 16:51:08 Stskeeps: "kinda"? Jul 21 16:51:34 Stskeeps: they kinda do by paying your bills :p Jul 21 16:51:44 slonopotamus: well, money is being thrown after it, a team of people, kernel guys, licensing.. Jul 21 16:53:01 harmattan will probably run the meego ui Jul 21 16:53:51 harmattan will probably run a meego ui Jul 21 16:54:17 trip0: nitpicker Jul 21 16:54:22 ;) Jul 21 17:02:23 Okay, l Jul 21 17:02:29 , liking this fcam ... Jul 21 17:02:55 ? Jul 21 17:02:58 Written in Qt too . Jul 21 17:03:01 That's even cooler .. Jul 21 17:03:09 what is fcam? Jul 21 17:03:26 Was just announced on Nokia conversations .. Jul 21 17:03:43 alterego: what was your altitude? Jul 21 17:03:53 luke-jr: I'm rought 0 Jul 21 17:03:58 ~roughly 0 altitiude Jul 21 17:04:04 wtf Jul 21 17:04:06 impossible Jul 21 17:04:10 0 is on water Jul 21 17:04:12 Sea leve .. Jul 21 17:04:14 Yes, I know. Jul 21 17:04:23 Cambridge, UK is roughly 0 altitude Jul 21 17:04:37 We're on a bed of cley. Jul 21 17:05:14 * alterego starts hacking a camera plugin. Jul 21 17:05:33 camera plugin? Jul 21 17:05:45 yay a camera replace in the future Jul 21 17:05:46 Thass what fcam is about .. Jul 21 17:05:58 The image quality is good, and it has 4 photo burst mode .. Jul 21 17:06:02 ah Jul 21 17:06:05 that Jul 21 17:06:20 Open? Jul 21 17:07:25 alterego: so not even as high as 70m? Jul 21 17:07:56 luke-jr: due to error, probably :P Jul 21 17:08:10 alterego: what does N900 report? -.- Jul 21 17:08:10 I'll do an average. Jul 21 17:10:20 SpeedEvil: how about yours? Jul 21 17:10:33 what? Jul 21 17:10:37 altitude Jul 21 17:10:42 The dispersion is quite high Jul 21 17:10:44 see the GPX Jul 21 17:10:52 ... Jul 21 17:10:54 www.mauve.plus.com/gpx Jul 21 17:11:04 is the position log - this goes with /log Jul 21 17:11:10 105m I think Jul 21 17:11:21 ok Jul 21 17:14:37 Has somebody else noticed that the mediaplayer buffers several times eventhough the data rate is ~steady and the video lenght is known? Jul 21 17:15:10 It seems like mediaplayer has constant buffer size and that isn't smart :( Jul 21 17:19:22 SpeedEvil: your log lacks accuracy info :P Jul 21 17:20:05 what do you want? Jul 21 17:21:24 SpeedEvil wrote gpxlogger? Jul 21 17:22:06 no Jul 21 17:22:09 I did not Jul 21 17:22:19 oh Jul 21 17:22:20 I have suggested that the author add a computed EPE - but he has not Jul 21 17:22:40 splot "out.q" using 1:2:3:4 palette Jul 21 17:22:40 using gnuplot - with http://www.mauve.plus.com/out.q Jul 21 17:23:35 this gives a nice 3d plot of x/y/z meters - with the colour representing the number of points within that quantisation block Jul 21 17:24:02 .5m voxels Jul 21 17:24:33 That is 2.5 days logging Jul 21 17:24:49 I have more - but the battery in the device has died, and I will have to plug it in Jul 21 17:34:12 fcam just crashes on start here Jul 21 17:34:22 luke-jr: you need to restart the device Jul 21 17:34:31 meh Jul 21 17:34:33 maybe later Jul 21 17:34:35 For some reason the drivers don't work until you restart the N900 Jul 21 17:34:48 alterego: so what's N900 say your altitude is? Jul 21 17:35:05 I couldn't get a lock. I'm about to go outside so I'll let you know in a couple of minutes :P Jul 21 17:35:55 the n900 doesn't like your attitude luke-jr Jul 21 17:35:57 meh Jul 21 17:36:10 :P Jul 21 17:36:11 107.3 is the (averaged) altitude Jul 21 17:36:14 heh Jul 21 17:36:18 forme Jul 21 17:36:23 I suspect 30..33 should have altitude, but I can't figure out how it's encoded Jul 21 17:36:39 There are various geoids. Jul 21 17:37:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGS84 Jul 21 17:37:28 for example Jul 21 17:37:52 Also consider it might be feet or meters Jul 21 17:42:38 luke-jr: about 23 meters is my altitude Jul 21 17:50:09 Anyone seen D-Iivil here today or yesterday? Jul 21 17:50:46 wow, the HDR mode is really good in fc ... Jul 21 17:50:51 fcam ... Jul 21 17:50:58 DrGrov: nope Jul 21 17:55:51 anyone has fcamera working with titan's kernel? Jul 21 17:57:02 TomaszD: does it not? Jul 21 17:57:29 it makes the default cam app fail and the fcamera is just grey where the picture should be Jul 21 17:57:56 reboot Jul 21 17:58:05 I did.. Jul 21 17:58:10 let's give it one more chance.. Jul 21 17:59:24 heh Jul 21 18:00:00 He must have done something different with omapfb, as that's how the viewfinder is displayed. Jul 21 18:00:21 I start fcam, then open lens. default camui doesn't do anything that way. Jul 21 18:01:01 hey alterego Jul 21 18:01:10 can I pm you? Jul 21 18:01:13 Aloha Jul 21 18:01:15 Sure, go ahead Jul 21 18:01:19 You know I don't mind :) Jul 21 18:02:26 Also, fcamera has the "gesture" operated vbox thing I want ... :D Jul 21 18:04:02 nope, it still fails Jul 21 18:04:12 :( Jul 21 18:04:29 gutted .. :/ Jul 21 18:04:52 TomaszD: run it as root from a command prompt and tell me if it fails with OMAPFB stuff :) Jul 21 18:06:13 alterego, it can't find /dev/video0 Jul 21 18:06:36 Heh Jul 21 18:06:39 Interesting. Jul 21 18:06:55 I messed up my phone's gps receiver somehow - is there anyway to use the n810 as a bluetooth external gps? Jul 21 18:07:28 TomaszD: quick fix .. Try: mknod /dev/video0 c 82 2 Jul 21 18:09:05 Hrm, though that stuff should be created by udev .. Jul 21 18:09:09 Maybe there's something else wrong. Jul 21 18:09:16 udev probably failed Jul 21 18:09:17 as ussual Jul 21 18:09:35 alterego, now I get permission denied Jul 21 18:09:46 TomaszD: are you doing it as root? Jul 21 18:09:55 I mean, it fails when I run fcamera as root, but says perm denied when as user Jul 21 18:10:06 when I run as root the error message doesn't change Jul 21 18:10:06 TomaszD: oh sorry: chown root.video /dev/video0 Jul 21 18:10:27 TomaszD: the device probably doesn't actually exist in the kernel then :/ Jul 21 18:11:26 yep, no change Jul 21 18:11:34 titan screwed up ;) Jul 21 18:11:44 oh well, let's remove the kernel... Jul 21 18:11:50 Might be the module isn't installed Jul 21 18:11:53 :) Jul 21 18:12:19 restoring nokia kernel.. Jul 21 18:12:20 TomaszD: could you do an lsmod and pastie.org it for me :) Jul 21 18:12:26 too late :) Jul 21 18:12:28 I'd rather see wassup :) Jul 21 18:12:30 Grr :P Jul 21 18:13:10 I'll do it next time Jul 21 18:13:23 you can install the kernel-power package too you now ;) Jul 21 18:14:30 http://mg.pov.lt/blog/n900-connection-sharing is anyone able to get optoin 5 working ? Jul 21 18:15:01 TomaszD: no, then things will not work for me :P Jul 21 18:15:11 pronto: Joikuspot is so cheap that I couldn't bother with cli. Jul 21 18:15:12 http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/fcam/fcam.mov Jul 21 18:15:23 how did they implement the gyro for the n900... Jul 21 18:16:32 alright, we're back in business Jul 21 18:17:11 hi - where is Fennec storing Downloads? can't find it Jul 21 18:17:41 use opera Jul 21 18:17:47 ^^ Jul 21 18:18:21 Firefox can sync to my Computer - Killer Feature ;) Jul 21 18:19:19 pronto: i was trying do something similar but using usb networking and don't work Jul 21 18:19:20 man, fcam is great Jul 21 18:19:46 pronto: with the n900 connected to the internet ( gpsr0 up ) i can't ping from the pc to the n900 Jul 21 18:20:05 TomaszD: it's cool isn't it :) Jul 21 18:20:07 heh Jul 21 18:20:11 pronto: in the end i use the n900 as modem , if you have network-manager is pretty easy Jul 21 18:20:13 I'm working on my own cam app now ... :D Jul 21 18:20:16 well i lost my usb cable for the n900, so yeah Jul 21 18:20:32 pronto: pretty easy to tether via bluetooth, though not as quick. Jul 21 18:20:39 pronto: you can try the mobilespot setup Jul 21 18:20:41 netbook dosent have blutooth Jul 21 18:20:55 A netbook without bluetooth ... omfg Jul 21 18:21:03 Who would buy suych a useless pos :P Jul 21 18:21:08 infact the only thing i own that has bluethooth is my n900 :\ Jul 21 18:21:30 pronto: http://www.nokian900applications.com/mobile-hotspot-for-nokia-n900/ Jul 21 18:21:44 alterego, why am I getting 10.6mb "dng" files which are 640x480? Jul 21 18:21:49 dosent that need a custom kernel? Jul 21 18:21:58 yes Jul 21 18:22:03 yeah id ont want to do that Jul 21 18:22:05 need kernel-power Jul 21 18:22:41 kernel-power ain't dangerous, it even add an icon in the main menu to replace it with the stock Nokia kernel should you want to Jul 21 18:22:47 *adds Jul 21 18:22:53 pronto: well what happen with the option 5 ? what problems you get ? Jul 21 18:22:58 the same that i ? Jul 21 18:23:00 alterego, ? Jul 21 18:23:00 pronto: usb cable for n900 costs $3 Jul 21 18:23:07 my netbook sees it, but wont connect Jul 21 18:23:15 pronto: hmm Jul 21 18:23:20 i also dont want to use usb, because the n900's usb port is damn weak Jul 21 18:23:28 dont trust it at all Jul 21 18:23:34 pronto: maybe is your wifi driver Jul 21 18:23:44 some wifi driver reject ad-hoc Jul 21 18:23:52 pronto: it's covered by warranty (mine was fixed) Jul 21 18:24:09 i'm using wext Jul 21 18:24:29 slonopotamus: i alraedy had one n900 replaced because of the usb port :\ Jul 21 18:24:44 pronto: hehe Jul 21 18:26:03 TomaszD: dunno, hang on~. Jul 21 18:27:06 pronto: try get connected to the ad-hoc connection with iwconfig Jul 21 18:27:10 ( command line ) Jul 21 18:27:56 alterego, these are raw images, have no proper viewer in linux ;) Jul 21 18:28:19 pronto: http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/setting-up-ad-hoc-wireless-network.html Jul 21 18:28:36 pronto: do the same in you laptop that machine B need do Jul 21 18:28:45 but change of course the value Jul 21 18:29:00 why i get only black screen when i connect my n900 to tv? i hear sounds from tv but no video.. Jul 21 18:29:01 alright Jul 21 18:29:33 pronto: I plug/unplug my usb about 30 times a day and have no issues ... Jul 21 18:29:38 Had my N900 since mid febuary. Jul 21 18:29:45 iPeter-: Do you have AL/NTSC cselected right? Jul 21 18:29:50 on my first n900 the usb port fell out :\ Jul 21 18:30:07 SpeedEvil: yes, pal Jul 21 18:30:31 check the cable connection iPeter- Jul 21 18:30:42 you might have hooked it up incorrectly Jul 21 18:30:51 so you have one channel of audio mixed with the video Jul 21 18:31:17 cable is connected right, in tv blue screen changes to black but no vid.. Jul 21 18:31:57 im 100% sure it was right.. Jul 21 18:32:00 I'd still insist on checking for mixups Jul 21 18:32:07 otherwise I'm out of ideas Jul 21 18:32:20 it worked before i reflashed Jul 21 18:32:58 did you flash the emmc too? Jul 21 18:33:10 yellow to yellow, white to white and red to red, i get audio from both speakers correctly, mut no vid. Jul 21 18:33:18 TomaszD: nope Jul 21 18:34:18 I'd suggest running the back up application, then copying over the back from the phone to your pc, along with your files, then reflashing fiasco without reboot (no -R flag), then emmc (with reboot flag) Jul 21 18:34:19 oh and ofc i installed nitdroid to my sd card.. Jul 21 18:34:44 *backup Jul 21 18:35:07 sigh, id like to hear other options before that operation.. Jul 21 18:35:23 well, I'm not sure how nitdroid affects maemo, does it replace the kernel? Jul 21 18:36:07 (I've no idea who would want android without google propriatary apps like market and gmail, it's totally useless without them, but anyway) Jul 21 18:36:13 hmm, not sure. www.nitdroid.com could you check..? Jul 21 18:36:44 TomaszD: that appstore on it works perfectly.. Jul 21 18:36:58 so it's an illegal port Jul 21 18:37:10 :O Jul 21 18:37:30 they have no right to redistribute the proprietary applications Jul 21 18:37:34 is it really the android market? Jul 21 18:38:37 iPeter-: yellow and white may both be ambiguous Jul 21 18:38:39 well i self havnt tested it put on changelog they said on works list: android market works perfectly.. Jul 21 18:38:50 anyway, the faq http://www.nitdroid.com/index.php?title=Nokia_N900_NITDroid_frequently_asked_questions says you don't need to replace the stock kernel *anymore*, maybe you had an old version installed first? Jul 21 18:39:17 well if they aren't distributing the app itself then they are in the clear Jul 21 18:39:31 DocScrutinizer: yellow was in yellow and white in white :P i checked many times.. Jul 21 18:39:44 so what? Jul 21 18:40:16 if he's getting stereo audio then there's nothing ambiguous Jul 21 18:40:27 still yellow on TV *might* mean left_audio, CVBS in, CVBS out, or even component Jul 21 18:40:31 ambiguous, new word. what it does mean? lol Jul 21 18:40:54 i think i didnt replace original kernel Jul 21 18:41:07 ~dict ambiguous Jul 21 18:41:13 Dictionary 'ambiguous' (1 of 5): open to two or more interpretations; or of uncertain nature or significance; or (often) intended to mislead; "an equivocal statement"; "the polling had a complex and equivocal (or ambiguous) message for potential female candidates"; "the officer's equivocal behavior increased the victim's uneasiness"; "popularity is an equivocal crown"; "an equivocal response to an embarrassing question" . Jul 21 18:41:28 iPeter-, before you reflash again, check with a different tv, if it fails the same, you know it's the phone's fault Jul 21 18:41:38 or the cable Jul 21 18:42:23 * DocScrutinizer wonders if his advice is appreciated Jul 21 18:43:21 DocScrutinizer: but as i said before, it worked before reflash as it was. oh and on yellow place it got a "video" logo, on other two it got a note Jul 21 18:44:01 pronto: work ? Jul 21 18:44:26 umm im kinda sure its phones fault coz when i plug yellow one in tv, screens color changes from blue to black.. Jul 21 18:45:03 DocScrutinizer: i have to check that word in dictionary :P Jul 21 18:45:11 E0x: nope, having issues with setting it to ad-hoc Jul 21 18:45:13 alterego, the raw viewer on the n900 can't handle the files Jul 21 18:46:16 E0x: just relized i forgot to put wlan0 down xD Jul 21 18:46:35 :D Jul 21 18:48:21 iPeter-: mhm, so that's quite funny as it means HSync and VSync seem to be correct Jul 21 18:48:47 its unable to ping the phone x.x Jul 21 18:49:05 iPeter-: maybe open up camera lens slider to get sort of a 'webcam' on TV Jul 21 18:49:45 pronto: up it back with you finish the config Jul 21 18:50:04 pronto: and you can ping from the phone to netbook ? Jul 21 18:50:32 windows netbook? Jul 21 18:50:48 iPeter-: also in settings->TV-out switch from PAT to NTSC, store, check, and switch back Jul 21 18:50:50 i think windows is blocking icmp by default Jul 21 18:51:01 PAL* Jul 21 18:51:03 PAL* Jul 21 18:51:11 but that wouldn't be a problem Jul 21 18:51:18 PAL and NTSC are just colour systems Jul 21 18:51:23 nope, but it might reset some things Jul 21 18:51:30 unable to ping Jul 21 18:53:42 also I heard of video codecs crashing, which will render HW in a limbo state and you need to hard switchdown and power up to reset. Happens on playback of nasty coded video media, so try with desktop, after fresh boot from abttery out Jul 21 18:53:59 DocScrutinizer: I tried on it, and when hitting save, i get white lines for 1 sec to tv.. but i might have a solution. Jul 21 18:55:01 DocScrutinizer: I have to try that battery out too, i left that cable at work place so.. err, cant test it out now. Jul 21 18:55:28 which cable? Jul 21 18:56:10 ohh your white lines were a story from the past, I gather Jul 21 18:56:57 Yeah, switching from PAL to NTSC and from NTSC -> PAL Jul 21 18:57:07 I see Jul 21 18:58:11 AIUI TV and LCD are using different framebufers, and there has to be some hardware that does constant copying from primary to TV buffer Jul 21 18:59:09 if that HW isn't correctly set up, you'll probably see the effect you described. Correct Sync, occasional atrifacts on PAL/NTSC switching, but no content Jul 21 18:59:45 artifacts* Jul 21 19:00:26 hmph.. Jul 21 19:00:38 That just wonders me it worked earlier perfectly. Jul 21 19:00:47 on that tv with same cable and same device. Jul 21 19:02:33 well, obviously something either in cable, or TV or device has changed somehow Jul 21 19:02:48 or in your way to operate it Jul 21 19:08:56 i think its device.. but i may have to select origianl kernel on boot, so that may be reason for black screen. Jul 21 19:10:39 lol, yeah Jul 21 19:11:35 N900 video isn't exactly a VESA card Jul 21 19:12:35 Ok. But ill come to here cry if it doesnt work even on original kernel (im not sure was it original kernel when i tried out or not..) Jul 21 19:13:41 IS this issue with the power kernel and TV output? Jul 21 19:13:57 I bet Jul 21 19:13:59 It's probably related to the camera device not working either. Jul 21 19:14:01 wait, fcam-drivers is kernel modules? :/ Jul 21 19:14:32 luke-jr: low latency, they're FOSS ... Jul 21 19:14:34 luke-jr: wouldn't feel surprised Jul 21 19:14:34 pronto: N900 by default blocks pings Jul 21 19:14:46 alterego: well, that explains why it doesn't work for me... :P Jul 21 19:14:51 alterego: I don't use stock kernel Jul 21 19:14:53 luke-jr: ah, that probably explains also why it wouldn't work for power kernel :) Jul 21 19:14:55 Yeah :) Jul 21 19:15:02 Well, compile them yourself then :P Jul 21 19:15:05 mine is 2.6.28-omap1-gcc44 :p Jul 21 19:15:11 :) Jul 21 19:15:16 How's that working out for you? :P Jul 21 19:15:19 great Jul 21 19:15:27 Except you can't use fcam :P Jul 21 19:15:27 * DocScrutinizer shakes head and sighs Jul 21 19:15:31 well even after setting wlan with iwconfig, after a few seconds it goes back to my normal access point :\ (on my laptop) Jul 21 19:15:34 alterego: right Jul 21 19:15:40 maybe I'll mess with it later... Jul 21 19:15:52 DocScrutinizer: ? Jul 21 19:15:52 alterego: Its nitdroids kernel.. Jul 21 19:16:15 Im not sure what kernel it actually is.. err. Not so hax0r with these stuff :D Jul 21 19:16:35 DocScrutinizer: I don't have whatever weird GCC fork Maemo uses Jul 21 19:16:41 and I needed kernel modules built Jul 21 19:16:42 :p Jul 21 19:16:57 so besides the 2-line fix for GCC 4.4, it's the same kernel just built with a diff compiler Jul 21 19:17:17 ooh, that's nasty then Jul 21 19:17:50 "A man walks into #maemo, he says, my franken-kamera isn't working" I say "That's what you get when you use silly custom kernels". Jul 21 19:17:53 DocScrutinizer: why? Jul 21 19:18:10 alterego: if you don't want custom kernels, use WinMo Jul 21 19:18:28 luke-jr: oh, I do, but I wouldn't break ABI like you :P Jul 21 19:18:33 but you'd probably need same kernel version string, or modprobe --force-vermagic --force-modversion Jul 21 19:18:45 alterego: you mean like GCC Jul 21 19:19:01 DocScrutinizer: GCC 4.4 isn't ABI compatible with <4.4 Jul 21 19:19:01 alterego, I'm using ImageConverte Plus 8.0 with wine1.2, works fine when converting dng files Jul 21 19:19:05 Sure, but you're the one that uses a non maemo compiler :P Jul 21 19:19:08 luke-jr: why? because it's supposed to be abi compatible Jul 21 19:19:16 alterego: Maemo is the one using a non-standard compiler Jul 21 19:19:18 alterego, but I'm getting a blue tint on all pictures, any hints? Jul 21 19:19:22 see? that's nasty Jul 21 19:19:27 DocScrutinizer: no, it isn't. it's well documented ABI breakage Jul 21 19:19:42 there's no non-nasty abi breakage Jul 21 19:19:48 luke-jr: get out of the bath? :P Jul 21 19:19:52 i'm getting *really* crappy pictures from the front-facing camera Jul 21 19:19:56 DocScrutinizer: ABI breaks for GCC 4.5 too, if you want hardfloat Jul 21 19:20:03 TomaszD: get out of the bath? :P Jul 21 19:20:04 fsck Jul 21 19:20:06 which I plan to do when GCC 4.5 works reliably Jul 21 19:20:08 sorry luke-jr not meant for you :P Jul 21 19:20:14 Mirror doesn't seem to play with the colors to have a somewhat good picture Jul 21 19:20:15 alterego, I don't want to! Jul 21 19:20:20 * DocScrutinizer feels depressed and heads out for a nice beer in the garden Jul 21 19:20:59 alterego, seriously, what do you do with your resulting dng files? Jul 21 19:21:01 ~docsnack Jul 21 19:21:08 you sounded like you did try fcamera Jul 21 19:21:19 hmm yummy, kerio :) Jul 21 19:21:20 TomaszD: I've just been looking at them in The GIMP Jul 21 19:21:39 TomaszD: I've just been playing with the app really, not too bothered with the actual images at the moment :P Jul 21 19:21:50 how do i control the media player from the shell? Jul 21 19:22:08 use dbus commands I guess Jul 21 19:22:15 kerio: dbus Jul 21 19:22:36 kerio: the dbus API for MAFW is somewhere in the wiki Jul 21 19:22:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS Jul 21 19:22:44 request - a ncurses gui for the media player Jul 21 19:23:13 ~jebbaDbus is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS Jul 21 19:23:14 okay, DocScrutinizer Jul 21 19:23:34 kerio: neat :) Jul 21 19:23:37 so... i'm getting 2457B/s Jul 21 19:24:07 alterego, gimp doesn't read dng files Jul 21 19:24:16 or do you have a plugin? Jul 21 19:24:18 TomaszD: does, just doesn't seem to get the full res ... Jul 21 19:24:26 gotta love crappy mobile connections Jul 21 19:24:40 heh, it's just reading the preview jpg or whatever is in there Jul 21 19:24:43 Or is 10.5M normal for 640x480? :) Jul 21 19:24:49 tiff Jul 21 19:25:30 thanks DocScrutinizer Jul 21 19:25:36 ~docsnack Jul 21 19:25:37 :P Jul 21 19:25:49 hmm yummy, kerio :) Jul 21 19:26:14 ~docsnack add I will be your sex slave forever $USER Jul 21 19:26:35 I don't know what you are taling about Jul 21 19:26:59 wait, maybe it's a separate command altogheter Jul 21 19:27:27 yup Jul 21 19:27:48 ~docsnack-add yay thanks Jul 21 19:28:10 I don't know what you are taling about Jul 21 19:28:56 you know, repeating messages is only ok when the first had no errors Jul 21 19:28:56 :) Jul 21 19:29:35 so is anyone familiar with sb2? I'm having some issues getting sbrsh setup, it isn't able to connect to the server Jul 21 19:33:02 is it easy to create apps for maemo? Jul 21 19:33:38 yes Jul 21 19:33:55 To learn where i should start? Jul 21 19:34:08 are you looking to use gtk or qt? Jul 21 19:34:37 Hmm, dunno but i think QT, i dont know much (or anything) on creating apps.. Jul 21 19:36:16 use qt then Jul 21 19:36:16 iPeter-: grab Qt Creator Jul 21 19:36:19 then you want to seek out the nokia qt sdk Jul 21 19:36:41 which will include everything you need to make apps for the phone Jul 21 19:36:44 As im newbie could i get direct link to get correct one..? Jul 21 19:36:46 (in c++/qt) Jul 21 19:37:04 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html Jul 21 19:37:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation Jul 21 19:37:27 http://qt.nokia.com/ Jul 21 19:37:45 note that if you don't know c++ (or, perhaps c at a minimum), you'll want to do that first :P Jul 21 19:38:09 :E Jul 21 19:38:21 or use pyqt Jul 21 19:38:26 Why i didnt learn that language year back -.- Jul 21 19:38:29 ah, right, pyqt Jul 21 19:38:46 Sounds easy and crap but linxx again? :D Jul 21 19:39:07 google for "pyqt maemo" Jul 21 19:39:36 or grab arbitrary package sourcode in python, from garage.maemo.org Jul 21 19:39:56 DocScrutinizer, STILL Jul 21 19:40:14 can't take it any longer, sorry Jul 21 19:40:22 lame of laughing Jul 21 19:40:24 ieatlint: C/C++ are not prerequisites to Qt Jul 21 19:40:53 Qt applications are compatible with inline C/C++ code, but for the most part only the syntax is shared Jul 21 19:40:56 and syntax is easy enough Jul 21 19:41:15 dunno, maybe it's normal those 4chan threads go on for weeks and months? Jul 21 19:41:26 * ieatlint senses a pedantic "well, technically..." discussion approaching Jul 21 19:41:34 basically, it's bad code if you use C/C++ within a Qt application Jul 21 19:42:33 is Nokia QT SDK like umm.. Jul 21 19:42:34 luke-jr: basically it's considered rude to tell a nob about the diferences between Qt and C++ Jul 21 19:42:38 virtual basic? Jul 21 19:42:48 i mean VB program, easy 2 use Jul 21 19:43:07 iPeter-: VB is a bad joke, forget everything you learned with it Jul 21 19:43:38 luke-jr: can you help me compile php-qt for the n900 so i can write all my apps with it? Jul 21 19:43:42 :P Jul 21 19:43:51 ieatlint: you don't want that Jul 21 19:43:53 PHP is leaky Jul 21 19:43:54 i didnt learn it. its crap. Id like to know qt and doing stuff to maemo etc, but dont know where to start.. Jul 21 19:44:10 iPeter-: grab Qt Creator or the SDK Jul 21 19:44:14 alterego, *sigh* in FCamera, swipe up to see the image viewer, you can "share" and then it's JPG ... Jul 21 19:44:16 read the Qt docs Jul 21 19:44:29 how about perlqt? i hear perl is really versatile Jul 21 19:44:32 qt createor? Jul 21 19:44:40 ieatlint: that'd be fine if perlqt actually existed Jul 21 19:44:50 http://perlqt.sourceforge.net/ Jul 21 19:44:58 haha, dated 2003 Jul 21 19:45:13 I mean a real perlqt Jul 21 19:45:15 alterego, you can also swipe down for options Jul 21 19:45:38 * lcuk superglues w00t_ back together Jul 21 19:45:46 :D Jul 21 19:46:05 ffuu-, i readlly dont know what should i download now to start with QT Jul 21 19:46:33 iPeter-: we told you like 3 times Jul 21 19:46:50 Yeah, but direct links would help me to get on feet. Jul 21 19:47:07 luke-jr: you grumpy pale ole hax0r, stop talking beginners into C++ with tonal meta-extensions, and get some real sex! Jul 21 19:47:08 you mean would help you be lazy Jul 21 19:47:13 im now installing Nokia Qt SDK, should i start with it or is there easier method? Jul 21 19:47:23 DocScrutinizer: that isn't funny Jul 21 19:48:00 actually it isn't Jul 21 19:48:03 luke-jr: No. i just want to get the correct one.. Jul 21 19:48:06 qt can get you laid Jul 21 19:48:54 I just thaought it sounds a little more nice this way, rather than STFU Jul 21 19:49:24 :< Jul 21 19:49:56 iPeter-: depends on your experience with programming Jul 21 19:50:09 DocScrutinizer: None experience. Jul 21 19:50:21 Or if you count PHP and HTML, a bit SQL Jul 21 19:50:34 then probably Qt docs and environment are a bad way to start Jul 21 19:50:53 What would be better way then? Jul 21 19:50:56 i'd recommend python Jul 21 19:50:59 and a book Jul 21 19:51:15 start with some basic stuff with python itself, and then look at qt Jul 21 19:51:45 hmm, with PHP and SQL you should know the basics at least. I'd suggest you have a look into C++ and see if you like it, otherwise go for Python and on N900 pyQt Jul 21 19:52:44 hmm okay Jul 21 19:53:24 python is relatively lightweight for a learning curve Jul 21 19:54:27 iPeter-: an easy start: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4 Jul 21 19:54:30 Im not sure yet how this works, but if im learning C++ (im going to need that language in school etc later) can i direclty do it to n900, make noobapps or is it too hard for noob? like an application "Hello world" Jul 21 19:55:37 hello world app in Qt (which is based on C++ originally) can be found in Qt tutorials Jul 21 19:56:02 Okay Jul 21 19:56:35 DocScrutinizer: It would be nice if i would get link to Qt tut, then im going to be quiet for a while, prolly.. Jul 21 19:57:06 Qt is a set of toolbits originally designed for use on C++ engine. But other engines like python adopted it Jul 21 19:57:29 got speed from GPS packet Jul 21 19:57:35 it's in centimeters per second :P Jul 21 19:57:36 http://qt.nokia.com/ Jul 21 19:59:23 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/tutorials.html Jul 21 20:00:32 well, that explains why it got quiet Jul 21 20:01:28 huh? i thought qt was a c/c++ lib Jul 21 20:02:17 kerio: err, nobody except maybe luke-jr is stating anything different Jul 21 20:02:32 yeah, i was reading the scrollback Jul 21 20:02:52 kerio : many c/c++ libs have other language bindings Jul 21 20:02:59 yeah Jul 21 20:03:03 but they're not a language Jul 21 20:03:13 of course not Jul 21 20:03:15 qt is c++, the point i think he was trying to make is that you generally should only be using qt libs in a qt app Jul 21 20:03:20 kerio: Qt is implemented in C++, just like C++ is implemented in C Jul 21 20:03:21 ie, not other libs Jul 21 20:03:32 by definition anything for C also works with python, with a *simple* wrapper Jul 21 20:05:29 * DocScrutinizer throws a bag of Jolly Time popcorn into the microwave Jul 21 20:05:45 ooh, popcorn Jul 21 20:05:50 DocScrutinizer: What app i have to use where to write code (looking this pyqt tutorial Jul 21 20:06:40 iPeter-: that's one of the nice things about python. It's a scripting language, means it's interpreted and the source is the executable Jul 21 20:07:04 just like a shellscript Jul 21 20:08:31 DocScrutinizer: So in windows i create new document testing.py and then run it it should work? Jul 21 20:08:54 iPeter-: yep, basically. Though on windoze I dunno Jul 21 20:09:01 iPeter-: who uses Windows? Jul 21 20:09:08 luke-jr: gamers :< Jul 21 20:09:11 iPeter-: on N900 open a xterm, type `python ` Jul 21 20:09:13 naah Jul 21 20:09:21 maybe gamers who play crap games Jul 21 20:09:44 consoles ftw Jul 21 20:09:49 why isn't wiki.maemo.org working? Jul 21 20:09:54 MohammadAG51: Linux FTW Jul 21 20:10:06 * Mousey games on linux Jul 21 20:10:11 linux can't run games properly Jul 21 20:10:20 runs Team Fortress 2 just fine Jul 21 20:10:25 bs MohammadAG51 Jul 21 20:10:34 would rather use a console Jul 21 20:10:37 ew Jul 21 20:10:43 even for FPSs Jul 21 20:10:56 * Mousey is done here Jul 21 20:11:45 DocScrutinizer: Any way to do this on windoze? Jul 21 20:12:00 lol Mousey Jul 21 20:12:19 iPeter-: sorry, I can't help with windoze. Haven't touched it since 10 years Jul 21 20:12:39 same here Jul 21 20:13:01 got rid of my windows partition and got a used laptop for the family Jul 21 20:13:07 iPeter-: there's a thing called PuTTY on windows, you can use to ssh into your N900 Jul 21 20:13:11 Okay. I would use linux if it would run games better.. Jul 21 20:13:21 DocScrutinizer: Yeah. Jul 21 20:13:23 for writing python this should be just fine Jul 21 20:13:25 get a console and game properly Jul 21 20:13:27 Using putty tray atm. Jul 21 20:14:35 Steam is coming out for Linux in the fall Jul 21 20:14:45 theres your "games better" Jul 21 20:15:16 arguing with open source advocates it like arguing with christians Jul 21 20:15:38 not true Jul 21 20:15:47 i can prove there's open source software Jul 21 20:16:01 :P Jul 21 20:16:03 true Jul 21 20:16:55 open source or free software? Jul 21 20:17:06 they have been "doing" steam for years to linux.. Jul 21 20:17:40 ffuu- Did i install now correct python thing.. Jul 21 20:17:50 Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 21 20:17:51 File "C:\Users\Peter\Desktop\simple.py", line 6, in Jul 21 20:17:51 from PyQt4 import QtGui Jul 21 20:17:52 ImportError: No module named PyQt4 Jul 21 20:18:18 install pyqt4 :-P Jul 21 20:18:19 pyQt bindings? Jul 21 20:18:23 Mousey: and I can prove there's God. what's your point? Jul 21 20:19:18 check out the last sentence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html Jul 21 20:19:22 luke-jr: hahaha Jul 21 20:19:25 no, no, no, no. Don't start luke-jr :) Jul 21 20:19:30 you prove there's a god, i'll start going to church Jul 21 20:20:11 where is the "Steam for Linux" news? Jul 21 20:20:22 dmj726_devel: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html, last sentence Jul 21 20:20:36 Mousey: unlikely, you'll probably just deny it and look the other way Jul 21 20:20:43 but the logic still stands strong, despite any denial Jul 21 20:20:55 i don't need logic to prove there's a linux Jul 21 20:21:03 i just need a working computer Jul 21 20:21:10 observation is not proof Jul 21 20:21:27 uh Jul 21 20:21:35 oh boy Jul 21 20:21:50 i don't need weasel words to prove there's a linux. i can use empirical evidence Jul 21 20:22:00 don't take the bait Jul 21 20:22:03 it's pointless Jul 21 20:22:07 STFU :-( Jul 21 20:22:11 lol Jul 21 20:22:19 i can use any number and manner of evidences to prove there's a linux. trying to prove there's a god is pointless. Jul 21 20:22:20 k, i'm done Jul 21 20:22:24 * MohammadAG +1s DocScrutinizer Jul 21 20:22:27 I basically have everything but altitude now Jul 21 20:22:59 you people are too easy to rile up Jul 21 20:23:19 ieatlint, we just try to kill any craziness before it even starts Jul 21 20:23:25 FPSes on consoles... Jul 21 20:23:26 EW Jul 21 20:23:28 just EW Jul 21 20:23:33 kerio: here we go again Jul 21 20:23:40 i'mi'm seriously impressed Jul 21 20:23:43 TomaszD: you were saying? Jul 21 20:23:44 i@m* Jul 21 20:23:47 i'm* Jul 21 20:24:08 they are building bridge over the road next to me Jul 21 20:24:13 ieatlint, that we get easily riled up, I'm just saying we kill the discussion before it escalates :) Jul 21 20:24:15 to nowhere? Jul 21 20:24:16 and doing it overnight Jul 21 20:24:24 jacekowski, call the police? Jul 21 20:24:29 Mousey: yes, we go again, FPSes with a joystick are the spawn of satan Jul 21 20:24:31 and it took them 2 nights to do all formwork Jul 21 20:24:35 actually a console could do fps gaming well if it supported keyboards and mice and multiple monitors Jul 21 20:24:37 and it's 2x2 lanes wide road Jul 21 20:24:48 lol Jul 21 20:24:49 wiimote+nunchuck is somewhat acceptable Jul 21 20:24:53 jacekowski: you clearly aren't in the US then :P Jul 21 20:24:54 * Mousey tries to imagine consoles supporting 2x2 lane wide roads Jul 21 20:24:56 dmj726_devel, unreal tournament supports it :P Jul 21 20:24:57 but it still *can't* beat mouse+keyboard Jul 21 20:25:03 ieatlint: why? Jul 21 20:25:19 2x2 lanes roads? Jul 21 20:25:19 * DocScrutinizer waves Jul 21 20:25:21 because i've only seen a construction project go that fast once Jul 21 20:25:23 kinky Jul 21 20:25:25 it's *two* roads, one over another Jul 21 20:25:35 and it was because they threw over $100m at it Jul 21 20:26:02 kerio: 2 lanes in each direction Jul 21 20:26:08 oh Jul 21 20:26:12 kerio: and they are building 2 lanes wide bridge over it Jul 21 20:26:12 less awesome Jul 21 20:26:15 :) Jul 21 20:26:25 and slip roads and all that stuff Jul 21 20:26:45 because current one that's about one mile to the east Jul 21 20:26:48 isn't enough Jul 21 20:27:04 someone good with units help me out here :/ Jul 21 20:27:32 649 ??? = 353.5 metres Jul 21 20:27:33 and well, that's only £10million project Jul 21 20:27:51 143 ??? = ~23 metres Jul 21 20:28:11 308 ??? = 107.5 metres Jul 21 20:28:16 ??? are all the same unit Jul 21 20:28:27 sure Jul 21 20:28:41 this is the LAST piece to the GPS puzzle, I think Jul 21 20:29:20 uh, that can't be the same unit of measurement Jul 21 20:29:42 well, it could Jul 21 20:29:45 it can Jul 21 20:29:55 143 / 23 == 6.2 while 6.2 * 107.5 == 666.5 Jul 21 20:29:55 if it would be like angular unit Jul 21 20:30:13 that's dependant longitude and latitude Jul 21 20:30:19 I'd use http://www.wolframalpha.com luke-jr Jul 21 20:30:19 and height Jul 21 20:30:30 that's possible with gps Jul 21 20:30:32 ieatlint: lrn2math Jul 21 20:30:33 but very unlikely Jul 21 20:30:35 TomaszD: ? Jul 21 20:30:39 for units Jul 21 20:30:40 kerio: math is overrated Jul 21 20:30:47 but Jul 21 20:30:55 it could be floating point stuff Jul 21 20:31:00 luke-jr: so we know all now? Jul 21 20:31:04 ieatlint: there could be a static offset too Jul 21 20:31:15 jacekowski: except altitude :P Jul 21 20:31:28 jacekowski: and I haven't decoded other length packets yet Jul 21 20:31:45 hmm, can't be a unit Jul 21 20:31:55 ieatlint: think celcius vs fahrenheit Jul 21 20:32:01 0 C is 32 F Jul 21 20:32:07 unless that ~23 is really, really ~ Jul 21 20:32:13 it is really ~ Jul 21 20:32:22 ~23 is a human's word Jul 21 20:32:23 ...but 23 is already something else... Jul 21 20:32:30 use 649=353.5 and 308=107.5 :) Jul 21 20:32:38 ~42 Jul 21 20:32:39 [42] the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything Jul 21 20:32:44 ~botsnack Jul 21 20:32:45 kerio: aw, gee Jul 21 20:32:46 luke-jr: The least squares minimizer is m = 0.663413*???-81.9182, but it's not a very good approximation. Jul 21 20:33:02 derf: wtf does that mean? Jul 21 20:33:12 assume y=ax+b, find a and b with three pairs of x and y Jul 21 20:34:12 kerio: yeah, so... Jul 21 20:34:28 so it doesn't work Jul 21 20:34:31 That gives you offsets of -4.86m, 10.05m, and 14.91m. Jul 21 20:34:41 Err, -10.05m, I meant. Jul 21 20:35:32 GPS should be a little more accurate than that. Jul 21 20:35:45 why don't we just ask nokia? Jul 21 20:35:46 ._. Jul 21 20:35:55 sme people say i use gps for mm accurate positioning Jul 21 20:36:09 hey Nokia, we're reverse engineering your binary GPS blob, help us out Jul 21 20:36:13 yeah, that will go well Jul 21 20:36:15 kerio: Nokia has a history not helping Jul 21 20:36:39 10m accuracy sounds good for gps Jul 21 20:36:44 very good Jul 21 20:37:11 reminder: this is altitude Jul 21 20:37:33 supernaturally good Jul 21 20:37:54 huh... missing tags? Jul 21 20:38:26 no sarcasm, altitude measurement is notoriously bad with consumer gps Jul 21 21:35:10 uhoh Jul 21 21:35:14 I think I broke my cellmo Jul 21 21:39:19 luke-jr: that's a pretty big "uhoh" Jul 21 21:39:57 XD Jul 21 21:44:10 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 21 21:45:28 is there a way -yet- to create custom groups for contacts? Jul 21 21:47:27 smhar, "My Contacts" allows to group contacts... but has a fixed set of groups. Guess thats not what you mean? Jul 21 21:49:03 currently I can only see 3 groups, ovi, skype, and the general from the sim card Jul 21 21:50:30 those are the ones created by the default contact manager... I was talking about an alternative for it. It creates 5 groups (like.. family, friends, vip, etc). Jul 21 21:50:39 lemme look for a link.. Jul 21 21:53:24 smhar, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57162 Jul 21 21:53:49 will check that. thanks teilzeitstudent Jul 21 21:54:27 it also allows for custom ringtones for each group. Though I just noticed an alternative for that in devel Jul 21 21:54:44 np. Jul 21 21:56:03 So anyway... is there a way to get notifications if there is a new package in a repo? The RSS feed on the website includes updated packages as well Jul 21 21:59:17 http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps.c Jul 21 21:59:21 who wants to play guinea pig? Jul 21 21:59:58 SpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer alterego Jul 21 22:00:22 luke-jr, didnt you just say something about breaking your cellmo Jul 21 22:00:30 and now you want us to test code you wrote :P Jul 21 22:00:32 lcuk: reboot fixed it :) Jul 21 22:00:42 I also added some theoretical cleanup to it Jul 21 22:00:50 haven't had the problem since Jul 21 22:01:00 and I've run it at least 10 times in progress of making it Jul 21 22:01:11 worst case, tho, reboot Jul 21 22:01:20 actually, worst case who knows Jul 21 22:01:23 but I onyl had to reboot Jul 21 22:01:30 I recommend not trying to run it while Maemo is usign GPS :) Jul 21 22:02:17 what does it do Jul 21 22:02:24 it basically dumps all the GPS info that location-daemon normally gives you Jul 21 22:02:25 to stdout Jul 21 22:04:42 luke-jr: Jul 21 22:04:45 oj Jul 21 22:04:47 oh Jul 21 22:04:52 luke-jr: what's that do? Jul 21 22:05:00 [17:02:23] it basically dumps all the GPS info that location-daemon normally gives you to stdout Jul 21 22:05:09 except it talks directly to cellmo Jul 21 22:05:11 luke-jr: What do I need to do Jul 21 22:05:15 compile & run\ Jul 21 22:07:02 In file included from gps.c:9: Jul 21 22:07:02 /usr/include/linux/phonet.h:50: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘__u8’ Jul 21 22:07:03 hmm Jul 21 22:08:00 O.o Jul 21 22:08:17 how are you communicating with cellmo? Jul 21 22:08:20 libisi? Jul 21 22:08:58 I should probably not do this stuff when very tired, I'm gonna look stupid. Jul 21 22:09:35 jacekowski: socket, bind Jul 21 22:09:39 recv, sendto Jul 21 22:09:46 SpeedEvil: binary at http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps Jul 21 22:10:10 jacekowski: no dependencies other than Linux and C :) Jul 21 22:10:30 jacekowski: (you could have read the code... :P) Jul 21 22:11:29 i don't see a link in my irc window Jul 21 22:11:37 and it's too late for me to bother to read backlog Jul 21 22:12:09 found it Jul 21 22:12:34 luke-jr: I tried compiling it with gcc on device that's worked for kernel, openssl, ... anyway Jul 21 22:12:38 Read 20 bytes Jul 21 22:12:38 Date: 0000-00-00 Jul 21 22:12:48 repeatedly, after startup with no gps signal Jul 21 22:12:59 do I need to start an app that uses GPS? Jul 21 22:13:04 no Jul 21 22:13:06 just wait Jul 21 22:13:11 GPS needs to get a fix Jul 21 22:13:26 naah Jul 21 22:13:31 I also need to get out of bed. Jul 21 22:13:36 oh the huge manatee. Jul 21 22:14:00 Read 56 bytes Jul 21 22:14:00 Date: 0768-00-00 Jul 21 22:14:00 Time: 03:02:00.001 (accuracy: 0) Jul 21 22:14:00 Latitude : 0.033002 Jul 21 22:14:00 Longitude: 0.005493 Jul 21 22:14:01 eph: 540cm Jul 21 22:14:01 Altitude: 0? (accurate to 0.000000?) Jul 21 22:14:05 bogons Jul 21 22:15:50 'Afternoon Jul 21 22:16:00 I would have expected a lock in the location it's in by now Jul 21 22:16:01 jaem: wanna be guinea pig? Jul 21 22:16:25 SpeedEvil: how's the sky? Jul 21 22:16:29 luke-jr: If by "me", you mean my N810, sure. If you mean my N900, maybe. If you mean *me*, no. :P Jul 21 22:16:38 luke-jr: rainy and dark Jul 21 22:16:39 jaem: N900 :) Jul 21 22:16:41 luke-jr: let me check my weather widget. Jul 21 22:16:52 jaem: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps Jul 21 22:16:56 i would check it as well Jul 21 22:16:56 About 50% visible. Jul 21 22:17:00 but i'm to lazy to move Jul 21 22:17:03 append .c if you want source Jul 21 22:17:38 be sure Maemo isn't using the GPS, then run that :P Jul 21 22:17:51 luke-jr: I was kidding, although admittedly the phone was closer than the (open) door to The Outside Jul 21 22:18:23 jaem: kidding? -.- Jul 21 22:18:32 luke-jr: sure, I'll check it shortly Jul 21 22:19:39 ok luke-jr. I have started gps-recorder-widget Jul 21 22:19:51 And it has got lock, and I now get sane results Jul 21 22:21:22 http://pastebin.ca/1905601 Jul 21 22:22:32 how does agps work? Jul 21 22:22:43 i mean, do you have to push some data to gps using that phonet socket Jul 21 22:22:47 or we don't know yet? Jul 21 22:23:00 jacekowski: was about to ask the same thing ... Jul 21 22:23:01 It would be awesome to find that out Jul 21 22:23:10 is there a way to clear the cached images that show when an application is starting? Jul 21 22:23:14 jacekowski: I presume so as agps data can come from wifi Jul 21 22:23:15 luke-jr: I took a brief glance at the source, but what is this supposed to do, aside from print GPS info to the console? e.g. what is its purpose Jul 21 22:23:33 BCMM: yes, there's a .dotfolder in /home/user somewheres Jul 21 22:23:33 jaem: it talks to the 'raw' GPS hardware Jul 21 22:23:38 which isn't really very raw Jul 21 22:23:41 the app manager shows the previous theme for a few seconds Jul 21 22:23:44 SpeedEvil: like I said, you need to be sure Maemo is *not* using GPS Jul 21 22:23:45 SpeedEvil: Right, I read about that a bit. Jul 21 22:23:51 jaem: it's standalone, it doesn't use lib location talks directly to the cellmo Jul 21 22:23:56 jacekowski: I didn't do any AGPS Jul 21 22:24:01 thing is Jul 21 22:24:02 alterego: I figured. Why, though? Jul 21 22:24:06 that location-daemon Jul 21 22:24:12 doesn't have any agps related code Jul 21 22:24:17 jaem: to get around the closed source driver obviously. Jul 21 22:24:23 so it has to be somewhere else Jul 21 22:24:28 alterego: I forgot that one was closed. Jul 21 22:24:34 luke-jr: It did not get a lock until I started gpx-recorder-widget Jul 21 22:24:42 Okay, luke-jr, what do you want me to do? Do you need a log pastebin'd back? Jul 21 22:24:48 SpeedEvil: my console app started working when you did?? Jul 21 22:24:51 yes Jul 21 22:24:54 jaem: nah, just test it Jul 21 22:25:03 jaem: see valid data ... or not, if your N900 is like SpeedEvil's Jul 21 22:25:06 SpeedEvil: weird Jul 21 22:25:11 luke-jr: I'll be back momentarily Jul 21 22:25:11 jaem: is that .cache/launch? Jul 21 22:25:17 BCMM: That sounds about right. Jul 21 22:25:45 luke-jr: Also - gpx-recorder works fine Jul 21 22:25:53 actually - it's generated a file, I diddn't check Jul 21 22:26:09 would be nice to get proper datasheet from gps chip manufacturer Jul 21 22:26:21 file looks fine Jul 21 22:26:25 jacekowski: not much help Jul 21 22:26:40 jacekowski: upload to the chip would be amazing ... Jul 21 22:26:43 jacekowski: inferring stuff from the datasheet, it would not directly output NMEA Jul 21 22:27:01 Will this stuff be open in MeeGo? :/ Jul 21 22:27:01 jacekowski: a little program on the phone CPU does thenumbercrunching Jul 21 22:27:05 we're really talking to that Jul 21 22:27:07 luke-jr: Well, the *app* works, and updates, but the data is quite clearly bogus. Jul 21 22:27:27 jaem: :( Jul 21 22:27:33 I take it the GPS Status icon shouldn't appear with this code, right? Jul 21 22:27:36 jaem: Start something that uses GPS Jul 21 22:27:48 jaem: as you would normally - leaving hte app running Jul 21 22:27:59 luke-jr: Just FYI, my phone was a non-retail unit, although I believe it should be final hardware. Jul 21 22:28:09 SpeedEvil: did you use my app earlier? Jul 21 22:28:12 yes Jul 21 22:28:22 What did you think? :) Jul 21 22:28:23 SpeedEvil: I'll check that. Jul 21 22:28:36 alterego: not much, as it bombed immediately with the qt lib problem Jul 21 22:28:52 alterego: which app is this? Jul 21 22:28:53 Oh, so you didn't install Qt them? Jul 21 22:28:54 alterego: Does failing at resolving links stages count as use... hmm. Jul 21 22:28:55 no Jul 21 22:29:17 I have various QT stuff installed. It sounded like pain to work out which right qt lib I should have Jul 21 22:29:27 SpeedEvil: not really, just wanted to know what you thought of the UI Jul 21 22:29:34 QtLocation ... Jul 21 22:30:11 SpeedEvil: is yours also pre-retail>? Jul 21 22:30:41 no Jul 21 22:30:49 Altitude 303? Jul 21 22:31:06 luke-jr: It works when running the GPS Recorder app, although I'm not certain about the "climb" data. Jul 21 22:31:17 If you want, I can walk it up the hill outside and check properly Jul 21 22:31:28 SpeedEvil: libqtm-location Jul 21 22:32:23 luke-jr: Also, my phone is definitely post-summit by a good while, but I'm not sure how old it is. My prof got it from someone at Dev Days in California a week or two before retail shipments started. Jul 21 22:32:37 Could the altitude be ft/m? Jul 21 22:32:48 it looks about right for feet, but bogus for m Jul 21 22:33:29 jaem: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/ the bottom screenshot is of the latest UI, the others were work in progress. The exe is in there though you need to install libqtm-location Jul 21 22:33:55 jaem: yeah - it's bogus Jul 21 22:34:05 alterego: what is this "exe" you speak of? :P Jul 21 22:34:15 jaem: the gpx reports 100mish, the elevation reports 300 Jul 21 22:34:19 err Jul 21 22:34:22 luke-jr: Jul 21 22:34:26 it's not feet Jul 21 22:34:35 luke-jr: my phone is retail, purchased as a pre-release Jul 21 22:34:42 SpeedEvil: I don't specify units for altitude :p Jul 21 22:34:45 jaem: just a binary compiled for PR1.2 Jul 21 22:34:46 sure Jul 21 22:35:02 luke-jr: have you reverse engineered all of this? Jul 21 22:35:04 alterego: That looks nice! Is the compass face an image, or drawn with Qt? Jul 21 22:35:06 Maemo Altitude Units Jul 21 22:35:12 we should get that in the SI Jul 21 22:35:26 jaem: drawn with Qt when it's changed but blit for rotation. Jul 21 22:35:28 SpeedEvil: alterego helped Jul 21 22:35:29 luke-jr: here - it looks like straight ft/m at 100m alt Jul 21 22:35:33 he found the time/date Jul 21 22:35:34 alterego: shiny Jul 21 22:35:44 SpeedEvil: wtf is ft/m? Jul 21 22:36:00 luke-jr: "feet per metre", of course... or so I would have to assume Jul 21 22:36:03 luke-jr: reported ele are in units of .33m Jul 21 22:36:09 well - ish Jul 21 22:36:12 0.30 Jul 21 22:36:16 but it looks like a straight conversion Jul 21 22:36:24 it's one foot / meter Jul 21 22:36:29 Poke me if anyone needs more testing - I'm going back to work for now. Jul 21 22:36:55 [15:27:31] 649 ??? = 353.5 metres Jul 21 22:36:57 [15:28:10] 308 ??? = 107.5 metres Jul 21 22:37:08 luke-jr: where did you get that init code for the GPS? Any idea what it actually means? :) Jul 21 22:37:16 Ok - same time. Jul 21 22:37:22 luke-jr: might contain the assisted data ... Jul 21 22:37:25 alterego: strace, and no Jul 21 22:37:39 alterego: that would explain why it doesn't work for anyone else :) Jul 21 22:38:01 22:36:00 - GPX reports 100.0m Altituder reports 301 Jul 21 22:38:25 luke-jr: probably ;) look for satellite numers in that code. Jul 21 22:38:42 luke-jr: how much data si there that you don't understand in the packet? Jul 21 22:38:52 luke-jr: would def explain it if it stops working in 4 hours :P Jul 21 22:38:58 SpeedEvil: more than 50% Jul 21 22:39:05 luke-jr: Do you have location-test-gui? Jul 21 22:39:12 SpeedEvil: quite a lot, check the wiki page. Jul 21 22:39:13 SpeedEvil: dunno Jul 21 22:39:53 luke-jr: you would typically also expect a series of triplets - satellite number, alt/az, signal Jul 21 22:39:57 quads even Jul 21 22:39:58 I wrote a program to dump hex packets combined with the Python location output Jul 21 22:40:13 everything except altitude's units is decoded from the Python data Jul 21 22:40:24 luke-jr: actually, that message doesn't look at all like it's got agps data ... Jul 21 22:40:34 Too short and not enough meaningful ino. Jul 21 22:40:46 info ... Jul 21 22:41:40 It may be an initial time Jul 21 22:44:54 luke-jr: what is the time where you are? Jul 21 22:45:19 5:45 PM Jul 21 22:45:45 My crap, it'd be UTC anyway I would have thought ... Jul 21 22:49:18 * asj is really pleased to see how good fapman is getting Jul 21 22:49:43 * DocScrutinizer wonders what SI is ish Jul 21 22:49:47 asj: Oh? I should try it. Jul 21 22:49:47 mish Jul 21 22:49:56 300k Jul 21 22:49:58 ish Jul 21 22:50:00 luke-jr: can you get the data for that init again and see if it's changed :) Jul 21 22:50:04 :-P Jul 21 22:50:32 jaem: very worth it, I used to fear looking for and installing new stuff. With -devel the ap manager makes me shudder Jul 21 22:50:50 GPS will typically send lots of different packets Jul 21 22:50:59 also receive quite a few Jul 21 22:51:01 for A Jul 21 22:51:02 asj: Awesome, I'll give it a try. Jul 21 22:51:31 On Diablo there was a daemon to sync the clock from the GPS signal. Is that available on Fremantle? Jul 21 22:51:43 wonder why I got no 0xcc packets at all Jul 21 22:51:44 I assume the "sync time" option normally syncs from the cell carrier...? Jul 21 22:51:54 yep Jul 21 22:52:10 jaem: we can do it now :) Jul 21 22:52:16 DocScrutinizer: to which one? Jul 21 22:52:18 jaem: anyway there's packet ntp Jul 21 22:52:27 jaem: to you Jul 21 22:52:47 alterego: yes maam Jul 21 22:52:48 cell carrier time Jul 21 22:53:59 fsckng HAM just tool 5 minutes to make up his mind about the ~30 apps I could deinstall Jul 21 22:54:17 :( Jul 21 22:54:46 so "makes me shudder" is a euphemism Jul 21 22:54:54 alterego: it hasn't Jul 21 22:55:56 DocScrutinizer: why aren't you using fapman? ;) Jul 21 22:56:26 luke-jr: probably, nothing ingteresting there then :) Jul 21 22:56:59 lemme think... maybe because I wasn't completely dizzy by its performance when giving it a 30s try Jul 21 22:57:01 dunno Jul 21 22:57:36 luke-jr: I've noticed that when I use it, (it wont have a lock) and it shows info that's very much like that eroneous info I was seeing earlier. Though I've noticed what you're reporting as speed is decreasing by one ... Jul 21 22:57:42 every update Jul 21 22:57:59 DocScrutinizer, asj: well, queued operations is a big thing for me. Jul 21 22:58:21 fcamera rocks Jul 21 22:58:23 jaem: ack Jul 21 22:58:34 I don't blame Nokia for not doing it like traditional package managers, but they could have at least backgrounded the installs like Ubuntu's "Software Centre" does. Jul 21 22:58:50 asj: just tested it, found genuine even better quality :-S Jul 21 22:58:57 asj: agreed :) Jul 21 22:59:01 I usually use the cli package managers anyway, but for newbies, the Ubuntu Software Centre is on the right track ,I think. Jul 21 22:59:26 asj: I tried fcamera this morning, but the viewfinder is blank. Am I Doing it Wrong(TM)? Jul 21 22:59:27 jaem: you can switch apps while it installs Jul 21 22:59:47 jaem: open the lens cover :P Jul 21 22:59:48 jaem: did you open the lens cover? ;p Jul 21 22:59:51 jaem: open cam lens slider ;-P Jul 21 22:59:54 hah Jul 21 22:59:56 lol Jul 21 22:59:59 all three: I did that. Jul 21 23:00:10 Did you restart your phone? Jul 21 23:00:10 lol reboot and try again Jul 21 23:00:14 yes Jul 21 23:00:23 jaem: oh, did you reboot? Jul 21 23:00:27 then turn the lights on :p Jul 21 23:00:28 Also, if you're using a custom kernel ... gutted :P Jul 21 23:00:43 luke-jr: No, what I meant was allowing queued operations without having to select them all first. The Ubuntu Software Centre handles it by just throwing the download into a "current operations" tab and letting the user continue browsing for more. Jul 21 23:00:45 jaem: if it says "no photos to display" then slide down to get viewfinder Jul 21 23:00:50 alterego: Ah, will that kill it? Jul 21 23:00:56 jaem: yes Jul 21 23:00:59 alterego: bah Jul 21 23:01:06 Any way around that? I like my kernel Jul 21 23:01:11 * jaem hugs his kernel protectively Jul 21 23:01:19 jaem: unless you compile the drivers yourself, which you can ofcourse :) Jul 21 23:01:38 alterego: Yeah, I suppose I could do that. Jul 21 23:01:39 All in their subversion garage account. Jul 21 23:01:50 Are there src-debs in -testing as well? Jul 21 23:02:04 Possibly, didn't check Jul 21 23:02:10 jaem: you noticed the blue square icon fcam kernel modules, in HAM? Jul 21 23:02:15 I installed manually with dpkg -i Jul 21 23:02:31 DocScrutinizer: I used apt-get/dpkg as well Jul 21 23:02:46 It complained about blessn900 - was that from the same devs, or just otherwise conflicting? Jul 21 23:02:55 see, that's why I like to use HAM for certain purposes Jul 21 23:03:07 luke-jr: your app has locked now, giving me good data Jul 21 23:03:28 screw blessn900 -> crap Jul 21 23:03:46 DocScrutinizer: didn't like that app myself :/ Jul 21 23:04:05 kudos for whover did it though. I just thought it was awful :D Jul 21 23:04:22 alterego: without Maemo accessing GPS? Jul 21 23:04:35 luke-jr: yup Jul 21 23:04:50 just left it running unti it llocked. Jul 21 23:04:57 (blessn900) http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10031 +3 Jul 21 23:05:06 nothing more to say Jul 21 23:05:46 is ofono 0.23 recent enough for N900 support? Jul 21 23:06:11 luke-jr: what ever meego are using ... Jul 21 23:06:48 DocScrutinizer, do same test using fcam and blessn900 again please Jul 21 23:06:58 complete verification of differences? Jul 21 23:07:12 DocScrutinizer: I was asking about why the packages conflicted. Jul 21 23:07:17 lcuk: cost 5 beers :-P Jul 21 23:07:35 sure at the next crossing point conf/summit Jul 21 23:07:45 jaem: both come with 'proprietary' cam drivers Jul 21 23:08:17 luke-jr: you tell us Jul 21 23:08:25 hmmm Jul 21 23:08:47 DocScrutinizer, fcamera fcam-dev fcam-drivers are all OSS Jul 21 23:08:51 i just apt-get sourced them Jul 21 23:08:53 DocScrutinizer: -.- Jul 21 23:08:56 I gave fcam a short test today (1h ago) wasn't impressed Jul 21 23:08:58 from fremantle/free Jul 21 23:09:13 luke-jr: alt looks like it's in feet for me. Jul 21 23:09:22 lcuk: that's reason for the ' Jul 21 23:09:25 alterego: it's not. Jul 21 23:09:47 you seen the gyro shit on tmo? Jul 21 23:09:58 fcam Jul 21 23:10:01 alterego: run some sort of othedr app to readout the ele Jul 21 23:10:05 luke-jr: speed looks correct Jul 21 23:10:05 sure i posted in the thread :P Jul 21 23:10:19 DocScrutinizer: in this context, is "shit" good or bad? Jul 21 23:10:26 -drivers README indicates GPL2 Jul 21 23:10:28 who knows Jul 21 23:10:32 SpeedEvil: I am, but my app is in meters ... Jul 21 23:10:39 it's gibberish for shure Jul 21 23:10:45 see my comment Jul 21 23:11:19 fcamera doesn't work with custom kernels Jul 21 23:11:26 you probably can just recompile the modules Jul 21 23:11:27 you can NOT unshake / stabilize video with g-meter Jul 21 23:11:35 I get 301 reported = 100.0 real Jul 21 23:11:36 you NEED gyro Jul 21 23:11:38 DocScrutinizer, it does not unshake/stabilise Jul 21 23:11:45 it does Jul 21 23:11:50 DocScrutinizer: that isn't quite true Jul 21 23:11:50 it merely waits for a quite spell before using a pic taken in that spel Jul 21 23:11:53 luke-jr: bearing looks correct too. Jul 21 23:11:55 that's what they claimed Jul 21 23:12:00 llread what i said Jul 21 23:12:05 and watch the video Jul 21 23:12:07 they show it Jul 21 23:12:14 accel == wobbly == throw away picture Jul 21 23:12:20 accel == stable == keep picture Jul 21 23:12:23 alterego: lol, good; had no clue how to test bearing XD Jul 21 23:12:41 its not removing jitter by technical means, its selecting the best time to grab and keep a picture Jul 21 23:12:41 You can rotate it cleanly in the axis of gravity without the accel noticing - but... Jul 21 23:12:43 luke-jr: it's repoting the same degrees as my compass is. Jul 21 23:12:55 SpeedEvil: as long as you're not building a centripedal 'gyro' out of 3 mega-sensitive g-meters - it is Jul 21 23:13:18 DocScrutinizer: of course. Jul 21 23:13:31 DocScrutinizer: it's 'good enough' Jul 21 23:13:50 what? 3 g-meters? forget it Jul 21 23:13:53 see FR Jul 21 23:14:11 luke-jr: easy to chdeck when you move :P Jul 21 23:14:15 you need ~10^2 to 10^4 better sensitivity Jul 21 23:14:30 alterego: is bearing supposed to be 0..360 or -180..180? Jul 21 23:15:02 lcuk: hmm, even that will fail Jul 21 23:15:17 DocScrutinizer, it gives best chance possible Jul 21 23:15:27 yep sure Jul 21 23:15:39 its a decent sidestep :) Jul 21 23:15:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals - on multiple accellerometer positioning Jul 21 23:15:52 err Jul 21 23:15:56 orientation computing Jul 21 23:16:19 luke-jr: 0-360 Jul 21 23:16:25 aaw do we need to discuss diffs between rotation and linear accel now? Jul 21 23:16:33 Well 0-359 Jul 21 23:16:35 anyone hear ever tried using pulseaudio in qt to record audio? Jul 21 23:16:35 docs: see the above page Jul 21 23:16:58 s/hear/here/ Jul 21 23:17:29 there's been somebody who was really upset about that qt-PA crap Jul 21 23:17:34 DocScrutinizer, lcuk, SpeedEvil: Heck with it - get one of these and you're set! http://www.vectornav.com/ Jul 21 23:17:37 got lag of some 5s Jul 21 23:17:38 anyway, bed time for me. Jul 21 23:17:59 alterego: g'night Jul 21 23:18:05 night folks Jul 21 23:18:15 * alterego wonders off into dream land Jul 21 23:18:27 haha jaem i am getting reasonably high resolution absolute positioning with standard hardware :p Jul 21 23:18:28 well, in a simple c application with pa_simple, i have no lag Jul 21 23:18:37 within confides of test area of course ;) Jul 21 23:18:42 nite alter Jul 21 23:18:47 i'm working with ~20ms sound clips, and seen nothing of note Jul 21 23:19:07 lcuk: well, we have two of those to play around with. :) They're not exactly cheap, though. :/ Jul 21 23:19:22 unfortunately i can't use QAudioInput, because i need to pull the audio directly from pulseaudio Jul 21 23:19:55 ieatlint: check out bugtrac Jul 21 23:20:11 there's been a ticket with quite some comments Jul 21 23:20:16 about the lag? Jul 21 23:20:21 yep Jul 21 23:20:26 in Qt Jul 21 23:20:27 yep, lag not the issue :P Jul 21 23:20:48 latency to be exact Jul 21 23:21:30 mentioning quite a number of related issues as well Jul 21 23:21:42 my issue is far more obscure... i need a clean audio input, and QAudioInput uses the ALSA interface to PulseAudio to get its data. The ALSA interface for PulseAudio adds a filter to the audio (i presume to make voice recordings sound better) -- this filter fucks me Jul 21 23:22:00 like PA chosing buffer size on arbitrary criteria or somesuch Jul 21 23:22:03 so i have to hit PulseAudio directly from qt, which is turning into something of a joke unto itself Jul 21 23:22:39 ALSA IF adds a filter??? o.O Jul 21 23:22:43 WTF?? Jul 21 23:22:50 yes Jul 21 23:23:30 it took me more hours than i want to ever want to admit to learn this, and ultimately someone on the dev mailing list helped me out a lot Jul 21 23:23:40 please dump the stack of plugins as seen by ALSA, analog to aplay -v Jul 21 23:23:54 it'd be in PA, not ALSA Jul 21 23:23:59 it's added before it hits ALSA Jul 21 23:24:02 (sorry can't remember name of alsa_xxx() function off top of my head) Jul 21 23:24:45 if i record audio with pa_simple_read() using the default audio device, i get the filter -- if i tell it to record from the audio device "source.hw0", i get a clean signal Jul 21 23:24:49 PA is the hoofed one Jul 21 23:24:53 alterego: what is used between 359 and 0? Jul 21 23:24:55 ALSA is rather clean Jul 21 23:25:24 yeah, the filter's not in ALSA -- ALSA just uses the default PA audio device for recording, which gets the filter then Jul 21 23:25:42 PA is a joke with worse api docs than EFL Jul 21 23:25:53 jaem, did you see the video i did with it? Jul 21 23:26:05 that was interesting timing :P Jul 21 23:27:21 ieatlint: know this one? http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf Jul 21 23:27:28 lcuk: sorry, I wasn't paying attention. What's this? Jul 21 23:27:35 If it wasn't recent, then probably. Jul 21 23:27:40 you posted link about positioning and stuff Jul 21 23:28:02 its very recent :) Jul 21 23:28:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 21 23:28:06 just some 10 pages but a laugh as well as a cry Jul 21 23:28:17 reading... Jul 21 23:28:34 lcuk: Gah... Flash is murdering itself again. Will watch in a few. Jul 21 23:29:04 ok Jul 21 23:29:06 ieatlint: they sync with cellmo OTA GSM timeslices, for completely unclear reasons and purposes - go figure! Jul 21 23:30:11 lcuk: woah, that's neat (conceptually and in terms of execution)! Jul 21 23:30:25 I like this comment: "If this was on iPhone, I would have guessed it's \"magic\". But since it is not..." Jul 21 23:31:09 lcuk: Is it strictly based on movement? Jul 21 23:31:19 nope Jul 21 23:31:23 accelerometer is disabled Jul 21 23:31:27 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that looks like the filter :P Jul 21 23:32:36 that filter caused me much pain Jul 21 23:32:40 * ieatlint shakes fist Jul 21 23:33:17 fwiw, someone wrote a BME replacement in BASH: https://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html Jul 21 23:33:18 maemo fremantle audio system is thoroughly fscked up Jul 21 23:33:28 i've got a little c program now that can read magnetic stripes Jul 21 23:33:57 lcuk: That is pretty darn awesome... When do we get the code? :) Jul 21 23:34:04 luke-jr: electranox!?!?!?! that cheeter? Jul 21 23:34:15 How is liqbase development going, then? I haven't seen new packages in ages. Jul 21 23:34:26 and a qt application that will nicely format id cards from north america and credit cards... and just need to work out this pulseaudio in qt thing to have it all nice and functional Jul 21 23:34:28 thats because i have been busy for ages Jul 21 23:34:42 lcuk: Yeah, understandable. Jul 21 23:34:50 claiming changing a 9 to a 1 from *my* original post would constitute a script written by the author??? Jul 21 23:34:56 I wasn't complaining - just expressing excitement over the project. Jul 21 23:35:13 luke-jr: please eat it Jul 21 23:35:21 >:-(( Jul 21 23:35:27 :D indeed, ive been fixing bugs and trying to do some reorganisation Jul 21 23:35:47 lcuk: Well, if you need people to break their phones testing it, please let me know! Jul 21 23:36:20 DocScrutinizer: ??? Jul 21 23:36:23 heh will do! Jul 21 23:36:46 luke-jr: WTF?! Jul 21 23:37:00 DocScrutinizer: first I've ever heard of electranox Jul 21 23:37:06 how is he a cheater? Jul 21 23:37:10 pffffrt Jul 21 23:37:54 click on "script from forum" link on electranox Jul 21 23:39:00 [2010-07-10 13:41:13] elektranox: bitte vergleiche https://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html >>Pancake wrote a script to charge the battery without this daemon based on information from the public available specs and the not working script from forum.<< mit http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278, und finde bitte eine etwas mehr den tatsachen entsprechende formulierung Jul 21 23:40:04 he didn't react on that polite request to correct the wording. He's a cheater Jul 21 23:40:10 what is recommended djvu reader (if any)? Jul 21 23:41:24 please also note posting date of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=658278&postcount=861 Jul 21 23:41:42 aka http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278 Jul 21 23:43:52 * DocScrutinizer pissed and off for some other appliances to kick around the room Jul 21 23:43:54 does ofono have any *real* documentation? Jul 21 23:44:27 DocScrutinizer: do you have a large, solid wood cabinet? Jul 21 23:45:51 luke-jr: in the ofono source tree under doc/ Jul 21 23:46:43 lpotter: none of the dbus commands it talks about exist Jul 21 23:47:05 luke-jr: are you using phonesim? Jul 21 23:47:07 oh, apparently because it says I have no modems Jul 21 23:47:11 wtf is phonesim Jul 21 23:47:19 btw the diff between status 0x90 and status 0x10 is exactly D+/- short detection which is handled in musb_core.c Jul 21 23:47:21 :) phone simulator. Jul 21 23:47:36 no? Jul 21 23:47:41 I don't want no simulator crap Jul 21 23:48:13 is there a modem present? Jul 21 23:48:57 lpotter: it's a N900 Jul 21 23:48:58 and he claims somebody has WRITTEN a script based on some arbitrary info found elsewhere - while in fact he changed ONE CHAR of my original draft, ***as suggested by script**: "charging fimished, status: 0x10" Jul 21 23:48:59 "Waiter, only real crap for luke-jr please" Jul 21 23:49:01 *** Jul 21 23:49:48 DocScrutinizer: so you wrote it, not the guy he credits? Jul 21 23:50:22 luke-jr: well it took a while, probably due to my fuzzy explanations, but YES!!! Jul 21 23:50:31 you got it Jul 21 23:50:36 DocScrutinizer: that's not cheating Jul 21 23:50:42 it's plagerism and copyright infringement Jul 21 23:51:06 asking him to correct it and he ignores is worse than cheating though Jul 21 23:51:15 dunno the right english word Jul 21 23:51:50 * DocScrutinizer off before channel discipline suffers Jul 21 23:53:22 lpotter: .. Jul 21 23:55:10 luke-jr: is maemo running? not sure how ofono does with the maemo modem stuff Jul 21 23:56:24 lpotter: Maemo is running in a different root Jul 21 23:57:26 hmm Jul 21 23:57:37 I can't find docs on how to setup gprs0 via ofono.. Jul 21 23:57:47 nm, duh Jul 22 00:34:49 * peb_ is gone. Gone since Wed Jul 21 19:58:59 2010 Jul 22 01:16:13 tcpdump -i wlan0 - causes all sorts of issues - network dead often till reboot Jul 22 01:16:19 is there a solution Jul 22 01:17:12 prolly rmmod the wlan kernel module? Jul 22 01:17:24 then modprobe it back Jul 22 01:17:28 hmm Jul 22 01:17:32 point Jul 22 01:18:01 what's mmcqd? Jul 22 01:18:15 hmm? Jul 22 01:20:15 I suppose what I really want is tcpdump to actually work without killing hte internet Jul 22 01:22:33 hm Jul 22 01:37:38 * peb__ is gone. Gone since Wed Jul 21 19:58:59 2010 Jul 22 01:41:58 hello Jul 22 01:42:16 i have bought today the n900 it s really great !!!! :) Jul 22 01:42:20 \o/ Jul 22 01:42:34 becareful of the usb port on it Jul 22 01:42:39 my first n900 it fell out Jul 22 01:42:58 what do u mean Jul 22 01:43:39 i want to know if there are some french here which use tv with n900 Jul 22 01:43:46 DOnJUiLiEm: don't apply to much force to the usb connector Jul 22 01:43:59 oki asj Jul 22 01:44:49 i have sfr french provider and i want to know if there are an application we can start tv on n900 Jul 22 01:45:24 it s seams not working Jul 22 01:46:40 thx to nokia too to have choosed a linux based distribution Jul 22 01:46:50 i think it s a very nice choose Jul 22 01:46:56 choice Jul 22 01:47:12 it s my first phone like that and i m really very happy Jul 22 01:47:43 same here Jul 22 01:48:04 i develope a little on qt and i think after read doc on how to develop on n900 i will produce some application Jul 22 01:48:14 :) Jul 22 01:48:14 but i want to know too something Jul 22 01:48:26 maybe it s off topic but u will say me Jul 22 01:48:39 i have listen about the backtrack mobile distribution Jul 22 01:48:50 where i can download it Jul 22 01:48:51 ??? Jul 22 01:49:00 i realy want test it Jul 22 01:50:09 really the n900 is the best phone in the world fuck apple :) Jul 22 01:54:48 DOnJUiLiEm: you're on the wrong channel, we only complain about the n900 and nokia here Jul 22 01:54:59 ok ok Jul 22 01:55:13 so to come back on the subject Jul 22 01:55:21 DOnJUiLiEm: N900 isn't a phone Jul 22 01:55:23 i have seen that there are a fm transmiter Jul 22 01:55:36 on the n900 Jul 22 01:55:47 someone have an how to to make it ? Jul 22 01:55:51 ... Jul 22 01:55:56 you just turn it on in Settings Jul 22 01:56:07 hmmm ???? Jul 22 01:56:10 it's very very very short range though Jul 22 01:56:14 yes Jul 22 01:56:24 i know but it could be usefull in car Jul 22 01:56:31 too short range for car too :) Jul 22 01:56:32 so how i activated it ? Jul 22 01:56:38 [20:55:56] you just turn it on in Settings Jul 22 02:10:54 or in media player Jul 22 02:10:55 Stskeeps: what does wl1251-cal do? Jul 22 02:10:58 from the app menu Jul 22 02:14:28 nice work very welll !!!! Jul 22 02:16:15 too nice **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 22 02:59:56 2010