**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 02:59:57 2010 Jul 25 03:00:19 you could probably do a focus/blur effect around the edges to make it more realistic Jul 25 03:00:24 eg, the N900 is putting it in focus Jul 25 03:00:43 or scale the movement, so eg the N900 is magnifying something tiny behind it Jul 25 03:01:12 luke-jr, yeah magnification is possible Jul 25 03:01:32 it was one of the first things i did actually, along with rotation Jul 25 03:01:52 but the image viewer i wanted simple reproducability Jul 25 03:02:21 and it includes its own marker picture :) so if you have 2 n900s you can play with them both Jul 25 03:11:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53112 the 'vote here' links -- if you want to have fun reviewing the applications, feel free :) Looks like there are amusingly little voters on. Jul 25 03:12:05 few* Jul 25 03:31:05 I'm in process of going through the list - I should have it finished in another couple of weeks at the current rate. Jul 25 03:31:17 (though that would not of course promote all) Jul 25 04:31:31 hi peoples Jul 25 04:48:41 hey guys Jul 25 04:48:47 you thought cloudgps is fast? Jul 25 04:49:05 try this baby Jul 25 04:49:06 http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps Jul 25 04:50:00 the single tile shown is fetched (and cached) from network, so it's just a matter of showing different texture **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 05:13:48 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 05:16:15 2010 Jul 25 05:35:33 yello Jul 25 05:43:09 hi Jul 25 05:56:01 * RST38h wonders if anyone is actually using sharing/social features that appear to be the latest fashion Jul 25 07:46:36 ham broke :( Jul 25 07:47:27 timeless, looks like turkey instead tonight Jul 25 07:48:26 nah, fish every night **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 10:36:14 2010 Jul 25 10:36:19 * marginalMan greets Jul 25 10:39:36 setting gmail up on an n900, -which smtp settings work? Jul 25 10:39:45 yours Jul 25 10:40:22 get it right to recei Jul 25 10:40:36 but cant get it to send Jul 25 10:40:46 ask your host Jul 25 10:41:11 heya vdvsx Jul 25 10:41:57 RST38h, hello :) Jul 25 10:43:54 Good moaning folks Jul 25 10:44:24 mirsal: use imap Jul 25 10:44:38 nvm Jul 25 10:44:42 i didn't said that Jul 25 10:44:47 jacekowski, np :) Jul 25 10:55:22 Ooh, awesome Jul 25 10:55:36 The micro USB port on the phone did get out of it Jul 25 10:55:51 eh ? Jul 25 10:56:49 = i will have to send it to reparation Jul 25 10:57:14 how that happened ? o_O Jul 25 10:59:50 Dunno, but i know this has happened for others as well. Jul 25 11:00:34 seriously o_= n900 ? Jul 25 11:01:12 I use my SE P1i atm, need to get used to their keybord for a while Jul 25 11:05:46 moo Jul 25 11:07:13 hi Jul 25 11:08:11 H4xordood, yes, N900 Jul 25 11:08:26 The phone is fully charged (i use it atm), so i can run some type of backup Jul 25 11:09:04 i need to be cautious then i buyed n900 3 days back o_O Jul 25 11:09:18 hope my usb port doesnt gets out of it Jul 25 11:15:19 hello Jul 25 11:15:30 anybody else missing /lib/init/upstart-job ? Jul 25 11:16:07 harnir: what makes you think it's missing? Jul 25 11:17:33 because after reflash with PR1.2 my entire /lib/init/ directory isn't where it's supposed to be... Jul 25 11:18:05 I would have thought that would have obviously been a change in the way things are done rather than things being missing. Jul 25 11:18:38 so where is it now? and why /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon symlink isn't updated to reflect new location? Jul 25 11:20:04 I dunno, use 'find' .. Jul 25 11:20:14 I tried it, nothing found Jul 25 11:20:28 alterego: so, is your avahi-daemon running? Jul 25 11:20:43 Yup Jul 25 11:20:58 how did you do that? Jul 25 11:21:04 Erm .. Jul 25 11:21:09 _I_ didn't :P Jul 25 11:21:13 anything else besides reflashing PR1.2? Jul 25 11:21:27 alterego: what version do you use, global, US, UK? Jul 25 11:21:41 Not as far as I know. Have you tried: ps -A | grep avahi ? Jul 25 11:21:45 global Jul 25 11:21:51 alterego: yes, it's not running Jul 25 11:22:01 damn, I just reflashed Jul 25 11:22:12 you sure yours "just worked"? Jul 25 11:22:21 Well, I've not fiddled with vahi Jul 25 11:22:24 ~avahi Jul 25 11:23:47 alterego: my isn't running, because /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon points to /lib/init/upstart-job, which is missing. if I copy this script from ubuntu and add symink in /etc/rc2.d/, avahi works for me Jul 25 11:24:05 anybody else with that problem? Jul 25 11:24:25 My /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon is not a symlink Jul 25 11:25:11 hmm, brb Jul 25 11:25:12 harnir: have you tried "start avahi-daemon" ? Jul 25 11:25:53 yeah, it works... something fishy going on here Jul 25 11:26:10 What network interfaces are enabled?> Jul 25 11:26:32 enabled/configured Jul 25 11:26:47 currently wlan0 Jul 25 11:27:09 Hrm, Jul 25 11:27:15 let me reboot, brb Jul 25 11:27:51 perhaps it fixed itself somehow, maybe I just need to put avahi-daemon after dbus in startup sequence Jul 25 11:28:16 Well, upstart should take care of that .. Jul 25 11:28:27 I'll check it out Jul 25 11:29:41 huh, ok, after reboot it started automatically, great Jul 25 11:32:07 Hi I need help with pidgin Jul 25 11:32:34 I want to change the language. Jul 25 11:33:25 change the locale Jul 25 11:33:48 Locale? Jul 25 11:33:55 System language? Jul 25 11:33:59 yeah Jul 25 11:34:42 Crap... So there is no way to change it manually? Jul 25 11:34:44 kerio: there is extra support for pidgin Jul 25 11:35:02 Yeah I downloaded ti. Jul 25 11:35:05 *it Jul 25 11:35:35 RZ: u need spelling checker or u need support of some language that u can type ? Jul 25 11:36:19 if u need support to type with keypad then do as kerio said Jul 25 11:37:39 I have maemo in English I would like to have Pidgin in another language. I can change it on my PC, but I can't on N900 Jul 25 11:38:09 For the sake of argument I want it in Russian Jul 25 11:38:34 there's russian for the n900 Jul 25 11:39:03 ha i also use Russian cause i know Russian Jul 25 11:39:06 I know OK let's say Slovenian. Jul 25 11:39:34 There is no support for Maemo in Slovenian but is for Pidgin. Jul 25 11:39:55 RZ: settings menu? Jul 25 11:40:23 or "LANG=sl pidgin" Jul 25 11:43:09 Nope still in English. LANG=sl pidgin just opens it. Jul 25 11:46:16 If I change system language Pidgin changes accordingly Jul 25 11:46:19 any way to have USSD codes separate from other contacts? Jul 25 11:48:12 timeless: maybe you care somehow - given your part in the coding of microB: i can't use Transmission's web interface to upload torrents :| Jul 25 11:56:20 How can one see who is online on Skype? Jul 25 12:00:11 address book? Jul 25 12:00:17 RZ: go to your contact list. Those who have a green icon are online Jul 25 12:00:18 or however it's called Jul 25 12:00:24 sort by state Jul 25 12:00:35 s/state/status/ Jul 25 12:00:35 kerio meant: sort by status Jul 25 12:00:49 * kerio can't type today Jul 25 12:00:53 :| Jul 25 12:01:18 Found it" Jul 25 12:01:21 *! Jul 25 12:01:43 Thank you. Jul 25 12:04:38 kerio: ah, one of those days, eh? Jul 25 12:05:10 what "those days"? Jul 25 12:27:13 (*cough*) mooo Jul 25 12:27:34 µ Jul 25 12:28:15 miu? Jul 25 12:53:36 Good day Jul 25 12:56:09 DocScrutinizer: Can you bash in my head so I can remember the adapter? Jul 25 12:57:53 It doesn't seem to really annoy you with it's existence in your house. I'm confident before you throw it to the garbage bin you'll remember me and place it in an envelope and send Jul 25 12:59:04 DocScrutinizer: How can you be so confident that I do remember what I should do with it once that day is coming? :) Jul 25 12:59:50 DocScrutinizer: I am just scared that it is too old once I decide to send it, throw it :( Jul 25 13:00:22 maybe you better keep it? you might need it for in-the-wil-hotswapping as described here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=761321#post761321 Jul 25 13:02:08 I will read that post and see what you are talking about. Jul 25 13:06:08 hmm... is there a way to run a full hardware check? Jul 25 13:06:28 i'd like to know if the lack of red light on my n900 is because of a problem in the software side or in the hardware side Jul 25 13:09:16 I *might* bother to check for the correct sequence of I2C-cmds to power on red LED the hard way, if you really need that Jul 25 13:09:45 DocScrutinizer: regardless of kernel/driver/software status? Jul 25 13:10:27 kernel needs I2C interface exported to /sys, sw needs to be killed/stopped if it holds exclusive locks to that interface Jul 25 13:11:08 you'd get to know if any precondition isn't met Jul 25 13:11:43 if you can do that without too much hassle... Jul 25 13:11:53 the red led is apparently useless, after all Jul 25 13:12:01 yep Jul 25 13:12:05 for sure is Jul 25 13:12:44 just as useless as the mandatory shutter click sounds are Jul 25 13:12:57 they can disabled by switching to Silent Jul 25 13:12:59 lol Jul 25 13:13:50 want to make sure the girl doesnt think you are filming? Jul 25 13:14:11 it's regulations foo, for some weird countries Jul 25 13:14:14 s/the girl/your mom/ Jul 25 13:16:36 wiki lightning fast for me this very moment... :-o Jul 25 13:16:49 let's DDoS it! Jul 25 13:18:01 hah Jul 25 13:18:50 DocScrutinizer: maybe becasue 70% of the maemo community is seeing whats happening on the meego wiki :) Jul 25 13:19:35 is there an n900 port of diablo? Jul 25 13:20:15 so... A5/1 was cracked using rainbow tables, on a not-that-powerful machine Jul 25 13:20:39 DocScrutinizer: It seems like it is better for your purposes the adapter :) Jul 25 13:21:07 DrGrov: the multi-charger adapter provided with the n900? Jul 25 13:21:12 does that allow for fastcharge? Jul 25 13:21:31 kerio: I have yes that charger adapter still. Jul 25 13:23:58 kerio: does that mean i can clone my sim faster now? Jul 25 13:24:23 nah, but you can listen to your neighbor's calls Jul 25 13:25:16 blah Jul 25 13:25:34 well. it lasted like 8 years before it was cracked Jul 25 13:25:52 but you would think once it was they would roll out something stronger Jul 25 13:25:59 kerio: listen to neighbour's calls? do tell me more Jul 25 13:26:05 there is always skype over 3G :) Jul 25 13:26:07 kerio: what special equipment do you need? Jul 25 13:26:18 what encryption does skype use? Jul 25 13:26:48 The Germans said it should be, as they shared a long border with the Warsaw Pact; but the other countries didn't feel this way, and the algorithm as now fielded is a French design." Jul 25 13:27:06 no wonder it sucks Jul 25 13:27:09 :) Jul 25 13:28:13 lol Jul 25 13:28:34 who gives a shit about A5/1 anyway? Jul 25 13:29:10 a fool he who's thinking *any* electronic conversation is private Jul 25 13:29:35 Oh this is weird .. Jul 25 13:29:37 http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/ :) Jul 25 13:30:08 GL isn't drawing it's background. Jul 25 13:30:22 let me put it that way: the dude shouting at his wive via cellphone in the subway, and driving me crazy, do you think he's concerned about encryption? :-P Jul 25 13:30:44 wife* Jul 25 13:31:10 yes Jul 25 13:32:07 I installed Scumm VM and flight of the amazon queen to test it. Now I can't start the game I cant even find it. Jul 25 13:33:57 Ah, it's the painter .. Jul 25 13:34:25 I bet 90% of users of GSM/DECT/whatever think they should got to their cellar to do a call they don't want to be tapped, and the rest would be utterly surprised if you tell them it's actually been NOT so easy to wiretap GSM with A5/1 Jul 25 13:35:39 btw for authorities with imsi catcher it's *always* been utterly easy to eavesdrop a call Jul 25 13:37:12 well.. someone can always write an app for enciphered voice and hand deliver the keys Jul 25 13:37:17 and since dunno ~10 years all exchanges have mandatory surveillance interfaces, so you don't care about A5/1 and IMSI catchers at all any more Jul 25 13:37:24 or stash them in the red bag of cocaine Jul 25 13:38:00 or use twinklephone with ZRTP Jul 25 13:38:15 DocScrutinizer: i think more people are worried about someone else catching the phone call conversation to the dr about their herpes situation Jul 25 13:38:29 twinklephone? Jul 25 13:38:31 muhaha Jul 25 13:38:43 :) Jul 25 13:38:44 Macer: go twinkle.com Jul 25 13:39:11 address not found Jul 25 13:40:13 twinklephone.com ;) Jul 25 13:40:22 So, how does the eavesdropping work in practice? Jul 25 13:40:24 http://www.twinklephone.com/ Jul 25 13:40:30 im surprised twinkle.com isnt taken Jul 25 13:40:33 :) Jul 25 13:40:38 * Macer registers Jul 25 13:40:54 I think it is Jul 25 13:41:03 hello, especially when I connect my N900 to pc on pc suite mode and unplug it, I stop receiving SMS notifications on the screen and as sound and vibration, what might be the solution? thanks in advance Jul 25 13:41:38 anyway, twinklephone is a nice mature SIP softphone, that supports ZRTP encryption natively Jul 25 13:42:43 skype uses rc4 Jul 25 13:42:43 ZRTP is considered secure and MITM-safe Jul 25 13:43:23 why cant they just use aes256? Jul 25 13:43:37 too heavy Jul 25 13:44:03 in this day and age? Jul 25 13:44:09 Remember - a lot of decisions about protocols were made back when the z80 wasn't a complete joke. Jul 25 13:44:11 whats a few more bits? :) Jul 25 13:44:21 and AES wasn't even invented for that matter Jul 25 13:44:24 haha Jul 25 13:44:24 not even mail encryption uses aes, they just crypt a symmetric key by aes Jul 25 13:44:27 z80... whoa Jul 25 13:44:38 WEll - not _quite_ that far Jul 25 13:44:51 AES is cheap Jul 25 13:45:05 the phone can do it >5M/s IIRC Jul 25 13:45:31 that is quite a bit of bandwidth Jul 25 13:45:56 But in relatively recent memory, people were trying to skimp on crypto, as DES was expensive in terms of gate area and/or clocks. Jul 25 13:46:13 yeah but what to do with that bandwidth then, when your CPU is maxed out and can't*process* the decrypted data :-P Jul 25 13:46:21 http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/ - complete win. Jul 25 13:46:29 DocScrutinizer: save it to disk. Jul 25 13:46:35 rc4 is circa 1987 as well Jul 25 13:46:49 DocScrutinizer: however - 10% of that is a decent video stream Jul 25 13:46:49 is all encryption from the cold war? :) Jul 25 13:47:00 AES is 1998? Jul 25 13:47:04 SpeedEvil: what are the benefits of realtime decrypting a stream that's stored?? Jul 25 13:47:27 is it? Jul 25 13:47:27 To stop the nasty user copying it. Jul 25 13:47:49 Or more sanely - to stop someone who steals the device getting it Jul 25 13:48:15 [2010-07-25 15:46:29] DocScrutinizer: save it to disk. Jul 25 13:48:40 receive - decrypt realtme - store : nonsense Jul 25 13:49:17 SpeedEvil: hahahaha Jul 25 13:49:20 receive - store crypted version - decrypt whenever you got spare CPU : better way Jul 25 13:49:22 funny article Jul 25 13:49:43 recieve - decrypt from transport encryption - encrypt to storage encryption Jul 25 13:49:51 or just make a better cpu that can do it real time ;) Jul 25 13:50:05 I can't decide which sign I like most. 'magnets...' or 'Is this thing on' Jul 25 13:50:23 * DocScrutinizer sends Macer back to CS primary Jul 25 13:50:32 God hates jedi Jul 25 13:50:34 hahahaha Jul 25 13:50:56 Luke always seemed a bit iffy to me. Jul 25 13:52:28 Is there any easy way how to copy Contacts which are even two numbers for the same contact into the SIM card and have the contacts separated? Ex. Home 12345 and Home 4555667 would be as 2 x Home entries on the SIM card. Jul 25 13:53:19 Thinking about getting a 2nd phone, the Nokia C5 but I need all my Contacts... Jul 25 13:53:35 Not 100% sure I have the exactly same entries on the SIM card as in the N900 Contacts... Jul 25 13:53:43 SpeedEvil: god hates fred phelps Jul 25 13:53:44 hahahaha Jul 25 13:54:07 DrGrov: sync it to skype Jul 25 13:55:40 Macer: I can not copy the Contacts back to the SIM card without problems? Jul 25 13:56:37 never tried it tbh Jul 25 13:56:51 i want a cloned sim Jul 25 13:56:53 :( Jul 25 13:57:03 bastards at tmob wont do it Jul 25 13:57:10 Okay, I thought of getting my old Samsung trustworthy phone as my 2nd phone until I go and buy the Nokia C5 Jul 25 13:58:00 i wouldnt mind a galaxy s Jul 25 13:58:07 thing looks pretty nice Jul 25 13:58:17 DocScrutinizer: is it safe to have a sip conversation on an untrusted wifi network? Jul 25 13:58:56 trumee, doing anything on an untrusted network is ummm untrusted Jul 25 13:59:01 DocScrutinizer: I know the call isnt encrypted but i am more worried about authentication Jul 25 13:59:02 My fiancee is thinking about that Galaxy S Jul 25 13:59:03 depends on your definition of "safe", quite obviously. No physical harm reported yet Jul 25 13:59:40 Ah, why did I not think about this before? Jul 25 13:59:41 I dont want some random guy getting hold of my sip username/password. Jul 25 13:59:59 I go and buy a SIM card duplicator and use my old SIM card and copy over and get the shit done Jul 25 14:01:02 trumee: username is spread al over the internets, just so much you can do about for SIP. Password is *NEVER* given out, it's a challenge/response authentication Jul 25 14:01:49 DocScrutinizer:ok, then i will consider it safe. Jul 25 14:02:24 allegedly the challenge/response is not THAT safe, means with brute force you could crack the password, from maybe 100 challenge/response dialogs Jul 25 14:02:58 much like WPA(2) Jul 25 14:03:06 if qtranslate is based on the google app, then why does the google app have so many more translations? Jul 25 14:03:37 if you want additional security, find a SIP provider that offers SIPS Jul 25 14:03:44 SSL-SIP Jul 25 14:04:30 the SIP conversation is over SSL there, so really unlikely somebody will crack both the SSL *and* the SIP challenge/response Jul 25 14:05:12 DocScrutinizer: but SSL-SIP isnt supported bu N900? Jul 25 14:05:33 DocScrutinizer: ah, TLS is indeed supported. Jul 25 14:05:36 nope, you bet it isn't Jul 25 14:05:43 ooh? Jul 25 14:06:08 missed that Jul 25 14:06:12 incredible Jul 25 14:06:25 but where do i put the certificate? Jul 25 14:06:39 TLS was supported in N95 as well although i never used it. Jul 25 14:06:57 Good thing is freeswitch has tls support which * doesnt out of the box Jul 25 14:07:08 anyway the RTP voice data stream is never encoded and free to decode for everybody eavesdropping somewhere in the transmission chain, unless you use meassures like ZRTP Jul 25 14:07:40 ZRTP isnt support on N900 :( Jul 25 14:08:05 you could make it happen with local ZRTP proxy Jul 25 14:09:08 works with almost every SIP softphone Jul 25 14:09:37 not sure whether that is possible with N900 Jul 25 14:09:47 trumee: i just uploaded sflphone yesterday (and it's supposed to support zrtp) but smth is either broken or i can't setup it properly :) Jul 25 14:09:51 i mean whether N900 has code for zrtp proxy Jul 25 14:09:57 sip is some dark voodoo Jul 25 14:10:02 the code is foss Jul 25 14:10:12 slonopotamus: ah! i need that application Jul 25 14:10:40 slonopotamus: it will be usefull to test sip with that Jul 25 14:10:44 trumee: well, if you manage to make it call, call me :) Jul 25 14:10:59 slonopotamus: where is it? Jul 25 14:10:59 savoir fair linux? hmm, was nice but didn't work foir me when I tested Jul 25 14:11:09 trumee: extras-devel Jul 25 14:11:15 DocScrutinizer: that one, yep Jul 25 14:11:17 slonopotamus: ok. will look into it Jul 25 14:11:23 brb Jul 25 14:11:27 DocScrutinizer: claims to have zrtp Jul 25 14:11:33 well it's French ;-P Jul 25 14:11:51 probably ZRTP is outlawed in France Jul 25 14:12:07 DocScrutinizer: code doesn't smell Jul 25 14:12:20 well, unless it comes from MS Jul 25 14:12:25 except if it's windows code Jul 25 14:12:31 :D Jul 25 14:12:38 * DocScrutinizer highfives slonopotamus Jul 25 14:13:22 DocScrutinizer: Can you find a good Blackberry Bold 9000 or 9700 which is reliable? Jul 25 14:13:30 Online store is a good choice Jul 25 14:14:30 DrGrov: I never tried, so dunno Jul 25 14:14:38 DocScrutinizer: ok, no problem :) Jul 25 14:27:37 DocScrutinizer: Do you think 150 € for a OpenMoko Neo Freerunner is too much? It is perhaps been used for 1 - 1,5 years Jul 25 14:28:49 too much I guess Jul 25 14:29:05 afaik they are ~220 new now Jul 25 14:29:14 DocScrutinizer: Perhaps if I could get it down to 100 Jul 25 14:29:16 ? Jul 25 14:29:24 sounds reasonable Jul 25 14:29:51 make sure it has buzzfix Jul 25 14:30:07 or A7 version Jul 25 14:30:09 Buzzfix? Jul 25 14:30:12 A7? Jul 25 14:30:23 Perhaps I would give that guy a call and check if he is interested in selling it Jul 25 14:30:47 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ Jul 25 14:30:55 DocScrutinizer: i was able to capture usb traffic from the desktop using tcpdump -lni usb0 -w sip.pcap, when i open it in wireshark it has lot of USB URB Jul 25 14:31:20 nothing else except USB URB packets. Jul 25 14:31:41 trumee: sorry no idea about USB networking Jul 25 14:31:52 DocScrutinizer: np Jul 25 14:32:05 DocScrutinizer: Is it worth the effort to get the Neo Freerunner? Jul 25 14:32:11 i was hoping to salvage some RTP streams but no luck Jul 25 14:32:13 DocScrutinizer: I mean, can I enjoy it at all? Jul 25 14:32:26 it's a nice machine for linux hackers Jul 25 14:32:48 you probably don't want it for an alternative to a real phone Jul 25 14:32:54 Yes Jul 25 14:32:57 That is what I was thinking Jul 25 14:33:05 Perhaps not the best phone capability :) Jul 25 14:33:27 But it could be really cool to have one for other purposes Jul 25 14:33:50 you *can* use as daily phone, if you're not reluctant to write your own scripts to check your special needs :-P Jul 25 14:34:05 Or if you pick a golden firmware version Jul 25 14:34:10 yep Jul 25 14:34:12 0808 Jul 25 14:34:21 probably still GOLDEN Jul 25 14:34:46 So I can get it working well? Jul 25 14:35:03 it's never working exactly "well" Jul 25 14:35:08 The seller does not seem to be aware of these things since the price is relatively low Jul 25 14:35:51 Unfortunately I will not buy it unless I get the price down to 80 or 90 €. maximum 100 € Jul 25 14:36:02 ask if it got buzzfix rework, or which board revision (A7 has buzzfix by fab) Jul 25 14:36:29 under which folder or file do IM chats are logged? Jul 25 14:36:40 DrGrov: /join #openmoko Jul 25 14:36:43 DocScrutinizer: So if I get that confirmed it is a lot better? Jul 25 14:37:53 DocScrutinizer: thanks, joining in Jul 25 14:38:05 heya :) Jul 25 14:39:54 DocScrutinizer: I am calling now to see what he is saying. I ask about the buzzfix and A7 Jul 25 14:51:00 DocScrutinizer: Damn it, it did not have buzzfix or A7 Jul 25 14:51:16 DrGrov: /join #openmoko Jul 25 14:52:08 quite OT here, and threre you get much better response Jul 25 14:52:32 Sorry about that, I was in the wrong tab Jul 25 15:26:38 Damn it is such a shame to keep reading users posts on forums who clearly do not know how to use the N900 and keep installing things they do not understand Jul 25 15:26:44 Funny as always Jul 25 15:29:18 doing things they dont understand, getting it wrong, and blaming everything but themselves is the definition of "users" Jul 25 16:10:11 repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 doesnt seem to be workin :( Jul 25 16:10:46 if i do apt-get update it says failed repository Jul 25 16:24:38 RST38h: Woo - my bit on e-book readers about fbreader got read out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t384n - 20:15 Jul 25 16:28:32 hey all Jul 25 16:28:45 what's the state of PSX emulation like for Maemo these days? Jul 25 16:32:39 PhonicUK: the same as the state of maemo Jul 25 16:32:49 slow and unreliable? Jul 25 16:39:44 heh Jul 25 16:39:57 undone and underdeveloped Jul 25 16:40:08 but close ;) Jul 25 16:42:21 any TMO mods on? Jul 25 16:43:20 Lol I was wondering where all my storage space on my N900 was going Jul 25 16:43:25 17.5GB of video Jul 25 16:43:36 Izzeh, chem|st, not sure if he's idling or not though Jul 25 16:43:57 some noobs spamming games section with warez =/ Jul 25 16:44:08 report the post Jul 25 16:44:15 done Jul 25 16:44:18 already Jul 25 16:44:40 he's at 4 threads and new one every 30 seconds Jul 25 16:45:02 probably a spambot Jul 25 16:45:59 5 threads =x lol Jul 25 16:47:34 i hate how the mods are mostly from one time zone Jul 25 16:47:47 the US Jul 25 16:48:36 Maybe I should be a mod muahahahha! Jul 25 16:48:41 he's up to 6.. and now the noobs are posting asking how to install on N900 <.< Jul 25 16:49:00 alterego, i was rejected, don't bother Jul 25 16:49:26 I'm cooler than you Jul 25 16:55:34 alterego, fsck off :P Jul 25 17:02:05 http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1280076842319.jpg - on emulators. (worksafe) (not a worksafe site though a worksafe pic) Jul 25 17:02:54 MohammadAG51, clearly alterego has the advantage of having a cooler tag. Jul 25 17:03:50 damn git clone is taking forever. Jul 25 17:07:11 GAN900, damn, need to get a better nick :P Jul 25 17:08:59 SpeedEvil: there was zelda cereal? Jul 25 17:09:05 wow :) Jul 25 17:11:08 DocScrutinizer: re:electronic transmission - i actually expect most of my telecommunications to be reasonably secure Jul 25 17:11:19 wow, ive got PCSX2 running at full speed on my machine :\ Jul 25 17:11:41 its funny how massive the performance gap is between the PSX and PS2 Jul 25 17:11:58 think about the gap between ps2 and ps3 Jul 25 17:12:08 aye Jul 25 17:12:10 also the massive shift in paradigm Jul 25 17:12:33 its taking a 3.2GHz quad core to emulate a PS2 at full speed :\ Jul 25 17:12:50 PhonicUK: well, for reliable emulation Jul 25 17:12:53 MAME-like Jul 25 17:13:31 Isn't there a NEO GEO emu that works on the N900? Jul 25 17:13:35 I wanna play the metal slug series Jul 25 17:13:38 but MAME is a bit slow Jul 25 17:13:48 mame is reliable Jul 25 17:13:51 <3 Jul 25 17:13:59 but slow :P Jul 25 17:14:07 not its primary aim Jul 25 17:14:10 indeed Jul 25 17:14:31 I suppose "accurate" would be more descriptive of its goal Jul 25 17:15:28 wasn't there metal slug on snes? Jul 25 17:16:09 the mamedev have a electronics fetish Jul 25 17:37:11 hey guys, why cant qtranslate translate nearly as well as the google service it is supposedly based on? Jul 25 17:37:15 hey guys, why cant qtranslate translate nearly as well as the google service it is supposedly based on? Jul 25 17:38:59 moo. Jul 25 17:39:31 sorry got disconnected Jul 25 17:39:44 whats the deal with qtranslate? Jul 25 17:40:33 :/ Jul 25 17:40:51 mobile-telephone: you weren't talking, why you're sorry then? Jul 25 17:41:01 my flash on n900 doesnt seem to be working imean adobe flashplayer Jul 25 17:41:13 i went to speedtest.net Jul 25 17:41:27 but it doesnt play flash :\ Jul 25 17:41:33 any suggestions ? Jul 25 17:41:59 wget something from kernel.org Jul 25 17:42:16 and fermatile repo also giving error Jul 25 17:42:34 saying 404 error not found when i do apt-get update Jul 25 17:42:54 you are unlucky Jul 25 17:42:55 repo.maemo.org fermantile 1.2 not found :\ Jul 25 17:42:56 ~ping Jul 25 17:42:58 ~pong Jul 25 17:43:08 your fermantle is bad Jul 25 17:43:25 fermatile, sorry Jul 25 17:43:30 of course it is fermatile Jul 25 17:44:18 well qtranslate cant do most of what google translate does... and it is supposedly based onit Jul 25 17:44:37 have you tried gTranslate? Jul 25 17:45:16 Who made facebrick? http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/sex-with-your-girlfriend-74-people-like-this/ Jul 25 17:45:40 can some one tell me place from where i can install repositories so they get corrected Jul 25 17:45:41 ? Jul 25 17:46:15 google? Jul 25 17:46:27 i know google is always there Jul 25 17:46:40 but i didnt found it to be working for me Jul 25 17:46:44 so i am asking Jul 25 17:46:47 really? Jul 25 17:46:52 really Jul 25 17:47:08 beccause i found one place where all repo were there Jul 25 17:47:13 and i installed Jul 25 17:47:21 but again same error Jul 25 17:47:44 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo5+repositories Jul 25 17:47:57 third search result from the top Jul 25 17:47:59 RST38h: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/ Jul 25 17:48:07 i know this Jul 25 17:49:29 h4xordood: "they get corrected" - ? Jul 25 17:49:47 h4xordood: how you got them incorrect? Jul 25 17:50:17 h4xordood: Checked your spelling? Jul 25 17:50:23 slonopotamus: i didnt do anything when i buyed n900 that very day i ran apt-get update Jul 25 17:50:52 * slonopotamus 11 of 253... building kde. and ftw. Jul 25 17:51:04 slono: on Maemo5? =) Jul 25 17:51:09 but it gave me error about some gpg key not found and 404 fermantle repo Jul 25 17:51:30 slonopotamus: tell me how u running kde on it ? Jul 25 17:51:34 you can't type, can't spell, and can't search Jul 25 17:51:51 once you figure out these three simple tasks, you will be able to install. Jul 25 17:51:58 RST38h: if u see u also typed wrong Jul 25 17:52:06 404 is for when it can't find what you are looking for... if you typed something wron.. it will give you 404 Jul 25 17:52:12 PARSE ERROR Jul 25 17:52:29 its fermantle not what you wrote Jul 25 17:52:58 instead of being sarcastic and going crazy i recommend lets be productive Jul 25 17:53:21 RST38h: of course not Jul 25 17:53:27 also check so you have all in small letters Jul 25 17:54:51 h4xordood: so, you ran apt-get update and? Jul 25 17:55:21 ah, skipped your msg Jul 25 17:55:47 h4xordood: so check your repo urls against published on r.m.o. Jul 25 17:56:25 h4xordood: or show us your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Jul 25 17:58:05 ok wait i just paste bin Jul 25 17:59:39 h4xordood: mine (pr1.2 installed): http://dpaste.org/oreo/ Jul 25 18:02:38 slonopotamus: you're welcome to my binpkgs :P Jul 25 18:02:52 luke-jr: url? Jul 25 18:03:09 http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/gcc44/ Jul 25 18:03:21 there's a GCC 4.4 kernel in another similar dir too Jul 25 18:03:32 and overlay.xml up 2 levels Jul 25 18:05:31 * slonopotamus wonders why some kde programs use boost. aint qt/kdelibs powerful enough? Jul 25 18:05:36 solarion: http://fpaste.org/wJFQ/ Jul 25 18:05:52 slonopotamus: http://fpaste.org/wJFQ/ Jul 25 18:05:57 slono: You do not understand... Jul 25 18:06:14 is there a video sharing service that lets me upload mp4 from my n900, with no conversion? Jul 25 18:06:17 slono: Boost...It is the future...It is what real C++ programmers use... Jul 25 18:06:22 * RST38h moos evilly Jul 25 18:07:20 slono: Even more hardcore than STL =) Jul 25 18:07:22 h4xordood: second line in your paste looks suspicious Jul 25 18:08:09 h4xordood: replace it with mine (s/004/mr0/) Jul 25 18:08:14 RST38h: KDE is supposed to be Qt, not C++ Jul 25 18:08:16 :p Jul 25 18:08:28 but yeah, Boost is pretty much the next version of C++ Jul 25 18:10:54 [119469.721374] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending LOWSIGNAL Jul 25 18:10:55 [119471.151977] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending HIGHSIGNAL Jul 25 18:10:56 what does that mean? Jul 25 18:14:24 slonopotamus: thnx i edited my repo same like yours and now it wroks :) Jul 25 18:14:36 **works Jul 25 18:14:50 i knew there was some problem in repo :) Jul 25 18:40:48 evening, nunchucks Jul 25 18:41:42 Gizmokid2005, are you 5 years old? Jul 25 18:41:56 crashanddie_: no. Jul 25 18:42:13 good Jul 25 18:42:37 actually, it would be an interesting test Jul 25 18:43:01 show goatse and 2g1c to a 5 year old, then see if he becomes a mass murdering bastard Jul 25 18:43:29 and the pain olympics, too Jul 25 18:44:41 crashanddie_: You're never coming near my kids again... Jul 25 18:44:48 Hmmm - Is there a doc on the events which I can hook on to in /etc/event.d/ ? Jul 25 18:44:59 I "came" near your kids before? Jul 25 18:45:18 You have kids? Jul 25 18:45:26 didn't think I'd forget that Jul 25 18:45:45 crashanddie_: 2 words - Restraining Order. Jul 25 18:45:55 ;-P Jul 25 18:46:16 we're in europe mate, no such thing as a restraining order Jul 25 18:48:19 crashanddie_: .dk has restraining orders :P Jul 25 18:48:24 crashanddie_: Well - I think in several European Countries there is. Jul 25 18:48:46 (specifically danish criminal code paragraph 265) Jul 25 18:49:09 crashanddie_: Even the EU has tried to legislate Europe-wide Restraining orders. Jul 25 18:49:27 poland hasn even got forced castration of child molestaters Jul 25 18:49:34 molesters, sorry Jul 25 18:50:06 RST38h: Know as "the Clean Cut"? Jul 25 18:50:10 Known* Jul 25 18:50:26 luke-jr: how was the call yesterday? Jul 25 18:50:28 probably chemical nowadays Jul 25 18:50:44 RST38h: Mmm - ofc. Jul 25 18:50:45 .fi also has restraining orders Jul 25 18:51:03 .no too (IIRC) Jul 25 18:52:16 well, with all the shit I've pulled, I've never had a restraining order, I can only assume the only places they are used are television studios Jul 25 18:53:07 crashanddie_: most people don't know their own country's criminal code obviously ;) Jul 25 18:53:16 crashanddie_: Screenshot or it didn't happen! Jul 25 18:54:11 Stskeeps, I don't even know the country I currently live in Jul 25 18:54:28 crashanddie_: me neither Jul 25 18:58:23 restraining orders exist and are used in the uk too, asbo's are more common though Jul 25 19:01:17 trumee: mostly worked Jul 25 19:01:33 trumee: there were a couple of odd glitches, but my dmesg had some wifi warnings later.. Jul 25 19:04:02 luke-jr: it has been better since yesterday. Today i had 30 minutes call on sip, at about 15 minutes had water garbling. Had to put the call on hold for a sec and then resume. Jul 25 19:04:35 luke-jr: but with problems like these the faith in the phone is all lost :( Jul 25 19:05:10 luke-jr: it is very unpredictable Jul 25 19:05:19 trumee: good luck troubleshooting it :/ Jul 25 19:05:26 I still suspect some kind of cpufreq issue Jul 25 19:06:01 luke-jr:cpufreq-info Jul 25 19:06:12 cpu-0 no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU Jul 25 19:06:23 what CPU is it? Jul 25 19:06:23 CPU 1 no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU Jul 25 19:06:35 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ Jul 25 19:06:40 hmm Jul 25 19:07:02 while true; do true; done & renice 20 -p $! Jul 25 19:07:06 do that and test Jul 25 19:07:25 will it bring the server down? Jul 25 19:07:36 will the renice ever be reached? Jul 25 19:07:46 15786: old priority 0, new priority 19 Jul 25 19:07:58 trumee: no, just keep teh CPU busy Jul 25 19:08:21 ok, bash has gone to 96 % now Jul 25 19:08:26 yep Jul 25 19:08:29 but ti has lowest priority Jul 25 19:08:35 it* Jul 25 19:08:42 so, what next? Jul 25 19:08:45 try a call Jul 25 19:08:51 ok Jul 25 19:09:48 ok, i did an echo test. asterisk is at 1% Jul 25 19:10:02 irrelevant Jul 25 19:10:09 just see if the problem continues with that running Jul 25 19:11:06 ok Jul 25 19:15:04 [2010-07-25 19:52:29] its fermantle not what you wrote --- umm, err fremantle maybe? Jul 25 19:15:39 did ti ever release the drivers for opengl on the n800 or is that just a long dead pipe dream? Jul 25 19:17:30 trumee: still hammering on your SIP? Jul 25 19:17:50 DocScrutinizer: yup Jul 25 19:17:56 hm Jul 25 19:19:39 ( what does that mean?) no idea, but see that all over the dmesg here as well Jul 25 19:20:04 DocScrutinizer: ah, anything noticable usually happen when it does? Jul 25 19:20:15 nope, not at all Jul 25 19:20:25 shamus: neither N8x0 nor N900 support full OpenGL, just the ES subset Jul 25 19:20:32 ah Jul 25 19:20:34 shamus: AFAIK someoen got some working proof-of-concepts Jul 25 19:20:42 but actually putting it into practice... no Jul 25 19:21:02 I made ebuilds for Gentoo for the kernel-level stuff tho Jul 25 19:21:07 ask Stskeeps Jul 25 19:21:31 AFAIK it's not any technical problems at this point, just more of "where to go from here" Jul 25 19:23:18 think he reported some tests with results on first drivers - not sure though if that's really been openGL-ES or some low level stuff, but I remember him wondering if he fried his N810 video hardware Jul 25 19:23:43 o.0 Jul 25 19:24:01 which turned out wasn't the case Jul 25 19:24:38 either in this chan, or #meego-arm Jul 25 19:24:53 anyone know how to make TTF files? Jul 25 19:25:17 mv bla bla.TTF Jul 25 19:25:26 ... Jul 25 19:25:45 scnr Jul 25 19:26:32 ideally, on Maemo ;) Jul 25 19:26:36 so I can hand-draw the font Jul 25 19:26:55 TTF redmond though afaik Jul 25 19:27:16 wtf? Jul 25 19:27:25 TTF is a cross-platform standard Jul 25 19:27:34 k Jul 25 19:27:53 originated with Apple Jul 25 19:28:15 I remember some 10 years ago linux had to import ttf from windows partition Jul 25 19:29:44 maybe due to the fact that cause of missing decent eeditors there were no free ttf available Jul 25 19:32:30 Also there are still no decent renderers that can render vector fonts acceptably Jul 25 19:32:39 at small sizes Jul 25 19:32:49 not an issue on Nxx0 of course, with the massive DPI Jul 25 19:35:27 luke-jr: i suppose it wouldn't be too hard to hack mesa into emulating full opengl Jul 25 19:35:35 luke-jr: while using as much of opengles as possible Jul 25 19:35:51 but i'm not sure about performance of that sort of thing Jul 25 19:51:28 DocScrutinizer: nonsense. maybe you *could* import TTF fonts from Windows, but you could always just not use Microsoft fonts Jul 25 19:51:40 DocScrutinizer: I don't use Microsoft fonts because they're non-free Jul 25 19:52:09 ShadowJK: FreeType works fine, and even supports hinting by default since those patents expired Jul 25 19:54:29 luke-jr: yes, that's what I meant. Wasn't to suppose you *needed* to do that Jul 25 19:55:49 luke-jr: thought it's bvious you can run a linux without any TTF installed Jul 25 19:56:33 DocScrutinizer: and there are free TTF fonts too Jul 25 19:57:45 yep, now there are. Not 10 years ago though. That's what I said Jul 25 19:58:19 well, at least no decent ones Jul 25 19:58:44 decent is subjective Jul 25 19:59:12 there was no *hinting support* in binary distros back then Jul 25 19:59:17 because that feature was patented Jul 25 19:59:22 that might be what you really mean Jul 25 19:59:40 but FreeType has had the code for a while, just disabled in patent-relevant places Jul 25 19:59:49 so people could rebuild it with hinting enabled Jul 25 19:59:53 and fonts looked a lot better Jul 25 20:01:39 prolly you're right Jul 25 20:03:19 also I tend to forget exact dates of events and facts from >10 years into the past. Maybe it was 15 years ago, maybe 20, maybe a mix of all Jul 25 20:04:55 DocScrutinizer: well... less than 20... I remember that too :P Jul 25 20:05:05 lol Jul 25 20:07:24 was it before or after Myst? Jul 25 20:07:26 :p Jul 25 20:07:40 ~wtf myst Jul 25 20:07:41 or maybe you can date it by Windows versions Jul 25 20:07:41 Gee... I don't know what myst means... Jul 25 20:07:46 DocScrutinizer: seriously? Jul 25 20:07:48 you don't know Myst? Jul 25 20:07:55 no idea Jul 25 20:08:02 Myst was the killer app for the CD-ROM drive Jul 25 20:08:03 heh... remembering myst too Jul 25 20:08:26 nobody had CD-ROM drives until Myst was released XD Jul 25 20:08:33 mhm Jul 25 20:08:49 I had no CD drive until ~2000 Jul 25 20:09:29 or wait, 98? Jul 25 20:09:35 Myst took CD-ROM drives from "early adopter" to "general audience" :p Jul 25 20:09:50 on *nix? Jul 25 20:10:08 * nextime never played to myst Jul 25 20:10:10 circa 1993 IIRC Jul 25 20:10:15 DocScrutinizer: on Windows Jul 25 20:10:18 Mac was 1991? Jul 25 20:10:22 duh Jul 25 20:10:29 no Jul 25 20:10:31 Mac was 1993 too Jul 25 20:10:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst Jul 25 20:11:18 they should GPL realMyst or something <.< Jul 25 20:12:36 hello does it possible to have xterm application when i use maemo developpement suite and that i am connected on it with xephyr Jul 25 20:13:11 because i can t install xterm Jul 25 20:16:23 would be nice to be avble to play myst on a tablit but dosbox is way to slugish to handle windows and myst on windows Jul 25 20:17:22 shamus: WINE Jul 25 20:17:28 true Jul 25 20:17:45 the problem would be lack of mouseover Jul 25 20:17:54 the cursors are kinda important in Myst Jul 25 20:18:08 and there is no way in heck you could get uru up and runign on a tablit Jul 25 20:18:15 uru? Jul 25 20:18:19 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Jul 25 20:18:19 xterm: Depends: xbitmaps but it is not installable Jul 25 20:18:19 E: Broken packages Jul 25 20:18:24 http://mystonline.com/en/ Jul 25 20:18:26 honestly, I could never beat Myst... Jul 25 20:18:29 not properly anyhow Jul 25 20:18:40 but it has nice music :D Jul 25 20:19:04 someone know how i can have xterm in my develop environment Jul 25 20:20:12 DOnJUiLiEm: sorry, I do all my development natively Jul 25 20:20:39 ok and do u know the application to have the phone ? Jul 25 20:20:54 i mean the sip phone Jul 25 20:20:59 might be nice is http://fissure.sourceforge.net/ was ever finished Jul 25 20:22:30 DOnJUiLiEm: it's called Phone Jul 25 20:22:48 shamus: I'm not a big fan of the old-style Myst UI Jul 25 20:22:56 shamus: I prefer the realMyst interactive world Jul 25 20:23:20 real myst would be sweet Jul 25 20:24:06 E: Couldn't find package phone Jul 25 20:48:57 myst is a bad graphical adventure Jul 25 20:49:15 pretty much anything but monkey island 1/2 is Jul 25 20:49:27 mi3 is passable Jul 25 20:49:38 and by passable i mean fucking awesome ofc Jul 25 20:49:45 oh come on myst and riven were scores of fun bad in the day Jul 25 20:52:27 * shamus just tryed telescope on his n800 and it is sweet Jul 25 21:00:32 Don't think I'll ever get this texturing to work :( Jul 25 21:01:04 * SpeedEvil passes alterego a large can labelled 'Artex'. Jul 25 21:01:10 Heh Jul 25 21:01:42 I've been at OpenGL ES2 for about 2 days off and on and I still can't draw a textured square .. Jul 25 21:03:25 :) Jul 25 21:03:37 alterego: recommended reading;) http://www.amazon.co.uk/OpenGL-ES-2-0-Programming-Guide/dp/0321502795/ Jul 25 21:03:56 alterego, theres maemo examples in the wiki Jul 25 21:03:59 which work Jul 25 21:04:01 Thanks fragment I'll bare it in mind. Jul 25 21:04:09 lcuk: I know Jul 25 21:04:13 I've been using them :/ Jul 25 21:04:26 I can't understand why my code doesn't do it :/ Jul 25 21:04:40 * lcuk made a custom shader that drew custom texture onto something Jul 25 21:04:40 It's just the texturing that doesn't work. I can draw coloured polygons fine. Jul 25 21:04:55 i wonder if this polish bottled water is actually water from poland Jul 25 21:04:56 alterego: is your data ok? and the correct type? Jul 25 21:05:05 fragment: how do you mean data? Jul 25 21:05:10 alterego: the texture Jul 25 21:05:21 fragment: well, Qt handles the texture loading. Jul 25 21:05:27 :| Jul 25 21:05:39 So for a sanity check I'm just using the same texture that the Qt example uses, and loading it the same as they do. Jul 25 21:06:05 revert example, confirm it works Jul 25 21:06:08 alterego: so you get a single color triangle? Jul 25 21:06:15 then re-apply history and find out where you broke it Jul 25 21:06:37 alterego: when using texture, I mean Jul 25 21:06:44 fragment: well, I colour each vertex differently but yeah, coloured triangle. Jul 25 21:07:17 alterego: is the color found also in the texture? maybe your UV coordinates are messed up and it stretches one pixel over the whole triangle or something Jul 25 21:08:02 That's possible, but I just get a black screen and I don't think there's a black pixel in the image ;) Jul 25 21:08:17 fragment: and I've checked that data loads. Jul 25 21:08:31 fragment, shaders are yuv? Jul 25 21:08:31 alterego: checked all the gl errors? does the shader compile and link okay? Jul 25 21:08:56 fragment: yup, all checked. Jul 25 21:09:06 If the shader didn't work, then I wouldn't see the coloured triangles :P Jul 25 21:09:41 which app do you recommend to inspect dbus services? Jul 25 21:09:55 Here's my model spec: http://pastie.org/1059610 Jul 25 21:09:58 lcuk: textures can be 2d or 3d Jul 25 21:10:04 Basically two triangles. Jul 25 21:10:13 fragment, you said "uv" though Jul 25 21:10:38 i know textures can be 3d, the original marble algorithmic textures from amiga days showed me that Jul 25 21:10:52 morning MohammadAG51 \o Jul 25 21:11:02 evening MohammadAG51 Jul 25 21:14:48 morning lcuk Jul 25 21:14:51 hey kerio Jul 25 21:15:40 alterego, what are you using to show up a GL canvas? Jul 25 21:18:08 LiraNuna: Qt, my canvas is fine .. Jul 25 21:18:19 alterego, ah, I'm using Qt too Jul 25 21:18:43 http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps/blob/master/source/googlemapwidget.cpp Jul 25 21:19:01 Cheers Jul 25 21:19:02 I suggest using QGLShaderProgram, it's cross platform and will allow you to test on your desktop Jul 25 21:19:20 alterego, remember in Qt you must use OGL ES 2.0 only. Jul 25 21:19:33 That's what I'm trying to do :P Jul 25 21:19:58 just verifying, I wasted 3 hours realizing that Jul 25 21:20:46 alterego, what are you trying to do? Jul 25 21:20:49 got any code samples? Jul 25 21:20:55 Just draw a textured rectangle .. Jul 25 21:21:04 alterego, that's what I do :) Jul 25 21:21:10 well, a little more Jul 25 21:21:18 Yeah Jul 25 21:21:36 And it works for you? :) Jul 25 21:21:41 yep, on the phone too Jul 25 21:21:49 as well as desktop Jul 25 21:22:13 alterego, try to compile it and see Jul 25 21:23:56 alterego, if you want 'raw' GL, there's a version a few commits back using just gl calls Jul 25 21:24:14 ok, gmail is being funky Jul 25 21:24:33 LiraNuna: andrei1089you mean over using the Qt stuff? Jul 25 21:24:40 can't login to my other accounts anymore... I'm clicking "Sign in as a different user", but it keeps switching back to my previous account... Jul 25 21:24:40 I'm using the Qt stuff for matrices and shaders Jul 25 21:24:49 alterego, me too Jul 25 21:25:18 alterego, http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps/blob/master/source/googlemapwidget.cpp Jul 25 21:25:40 Yeah, I'm looking at it :P Jul 25 21:25:48 is that what you're doing? Jul 25 21:25:56 Pretty much Jul 25 21:26:14 you can get rid of the for loop in 78-81 and instead just draw a single 'tile' Jul 25 21:26:33 alterego, do you use Matrix4x4::ortho() ? Jul 25 21:26:49 I didn't have luck with that one, no matter what I tried Jul 25 21:27:14 I think the bug is in QGLShaderProgram::setUniform(string, matrix4x4) actually Jul 25 21:27:17 No, I'm using identity at the moment anyway. Jul 25 21:27:23 My shader doesn't do perspective. Jul 25 21:27:31 I just want to get it all working in "2D" first. Jul 25 21:27:41 alterego, mind sharing some code? Jul 25 21:28:09 LiraNuna, for shits n giggles, could you add an arbritary rotation angle onto each blit and tell me the frame differences. .? Jul 25 21:28:20 frame rate ^ Jul 25 21:28:28 frame rate is awful already Jul 25 21:28:35 stil Jul 25 21:28:38 the SGX driver is of horrible quality Jul 25 21:29:47 ps LiraNuna Jul 25 21:29:52 in your paintgl routine Jul 25 21:30:04 do some boundary checks Jul 25 21:30:11 hmm? Jul 25 21:30:18 and dont waste time pushing polygons with textures onto the stack Jul 25 21:30:40 I got a better local version already Jul 25 21:30:44 it's just not ready for push Jul 25 21:30:49 gridwidth*gridheight would potentially be where the problem is Jul 25 21:30:53 shows full map browsing experience Jul 25 21:30:54 ok LiraNuna but bear it in mind Jul 25 21:30:58 yeah Jul 25 21:30:59 thanks Jul 25 21:31:23 how large is your grid? Jul 25 21:31:37 minimum to the screen Jul 25 21:31:47 800x480 would be 5x3 Jul 25 21:32:00 ceil(800 / 256) + 1 Jul 25 21:32:35 ok, so thats not the size i thought - i once made one with a grid of about 200*200 Jul 25 21:32:36 good evening Jul 25 21:32:42 lol Jul 25 21:32:52 lcuk, the tiling is very fake Jul 25 21:32:55 renderer.setUniformValue("translation", translation.x() % Tile::SIZE, translation.y() % Tile::SIZE, 0, 0); Jul 25 21:32:58 does the n900 check for application updates everytime it's connected to internet? Jul 25 21:32:58 :) Jul 25 21:33:07 and my local version does it better Jul 25 21:33:17 Vanadis, I believe it checks for updates every morning Jul 25 21:33:20 or upon request Jul 25 21:33:22 LiraNuna, push to github as a branch :) Jul 25 21:33:27 * lcuk has branches now Jul 25 21:33:29 hmm, j Jul 25 21:33:32 lcuk, that eager to see it? Jul 25 21:33:34 *k Jul 25 21:33:48 LiraNuna, on the night your computer hard drive fails, you will thank me Jul 25 21:33:54 LOL Jul 25 21:34:01 I got RAID1 locally Jul 25 21:34:14 and backup every night to local server Jul 25 21:34:20 rdiff-backup ftw Jul 25 21:34:40 * lcuk now pushes even unstable stuff up to github Jul 25 21:34:42 but sure, if you want the code, hold on Jul 25 21:34:50 let me generate diff Jul 25 21:34:59 LiraNuna, i have more code than i can work with anyway :P Jul 25 21:35:05 git commit tho :P Jul 25 21:35:18 there's stuff I don't want to commit. Jul 25 21:37:15 lcuk, branch for-lcuk Jul 25 21:37:41 haha Jul 25 21:37:50 awesome :p Jul 25 21:37:53 don't blame me if it kills your cat or burns your house Jul 25 21:38:14 wouldnt anyway Jul 25 21:38:30 * lcuk pushed code for this up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 25 21:38:53 actually, a cleaner version which is useful! its an image viewer using that principle Jul 25 21:39:10 hehe Jul 25 21:40:59 lcuk, it's very memory hungry. Jul 25 21:41:31 LiraNuna, your map doofer? Jul 25 21:41:34 yeah Jul 25 21:41:38 i shall have to remember how bad mine was Jul 25 21:42:02 i did a render test which just picked up a range of tiles and shown them in panning area Jul 25 21:42:35 it worked awesomely well until i broke it Jul 25 21:49:10 lcuk, having fun yet? :P Jul 25 21:50:33 LiraNuna, i always have fun Jul 25 21:50:37 :) Jul 25 21:52:00 * Guest94839 doesn't have a N900 anymore (temp) Jul 25 21:52:44 yay for the female usb contact fail? Jul 25 21:55:36 Guest94839, how come you dont have a proper nickname Jul 25 21:56:13 maybe that's his nickname and that keeps him away from the evils of the internets Jul 25 21:56:26 its normally FIQ ;) Jul 25 21:59:09 i come to make a .deb of libpar2 and nzbget Jul 25 21:59:18 work fine on my n900 Jul 25 21:59:43 someone want it to test i would like to distribut it Jul 25 22:00:04 and say me if i have make some mistake Jul 25 22:00:40 DOnJUiLiEm, you told us the technical linux names, but not what it does or why someone would want to try it Jul 25 22:01:27 i want than someone try to say me if i can release it on official depot if it s possible ... Jul 25 22:01:33 i dont want make a mistake Jul 25 22:02:07 n900 is really the best phone that i have ever dream :) Jul 25 22:02:25 and for information nzbget Jul 25 22:02:42 it s a newsgroup client Jul 25 22:03:13 i plan to make an interface in qt after Jul 25 22:04:09 i really don't see the point in having a high-speed usenet downloader on what is arguably a phone Jul 25 22:05:01 Oh, because i don't have autoidentify on P1i Jul 25 22:05:24 kerio, we have a bittornet client, it works quite well on HSPA+ Jul 25 22:05:56 i think i've played with my phone alot for the first 2 months Jul 25 22:06:03 now i just use it to call Jul 25 22:06:22 Dunno if it's worth fixing when i get my N900 working in.. well, some weeks Jul 25 22:06:33 I'm disappointed about the N900's navigation capabilities Jul 25 22:06:44 nzbget work fine but the phone is slow Jul 25 22:06:52 which is primarily what I use Jul 25 22:06:52 and to answer to it kerio Jul 25 22:07:17 if u are with some friend like the phone can connected on tv u can download the movie and after play it on tv Jul 25 22:08:37 DOnJUiLiEm: a task that's definetely performed better with a computer/laptop/divx player/htpc Jul 25 22:09:08 sure but can i be happy to have it on my phone ? ^^ Jul 25 22:10:02 DOnJUiLiEm, nzb on the phone will be great Jul 25 22:11:09 trumee, i have make it today Jul 25 22:11:14 do u want the .deb ? Jul 25 22:11:28 after installing u just need to type Jul 25 22:11:37 nzbget ur_nzb.nzb Jul 25 22:11:41 :) Jul 25 22:12:01 why dont you post that in extras-devel? Jul 25 22:12:31 not sure how you will do that though. Jul 25 22:12:43 because i don t know how Jul 25 22:12:56 and i don t want make a mistake or make a bad package Jul 25 22:13:16 sure somebody here will be able to hel you Jul 25 22:15:13 DOnJUiLiEm, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Jul 25 22:15:41 DOnJUiLiEm, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel Jul 25 22:16:06 thx Jul 25 22:16:54 DOnJUiLiEm, would love to see it devel. But dont you need par2 as well? Jul 25 22:18:10 trumee, i have make the twice Jul 25 22:18:17 par2 and nzbget Jul 25 22:18:44 ok Jul 25 22:18:59 i can dcc it to u Jul 25 22:19:11 because i don t think release it today Jul 25 22:19:48 if u want just tell me Jul 25 22:28:39 DOnJUiLiEm: how large is the .deb? How large are tared/gzipped sourcefiles? Jul 25 22:29:38 DOnJUiLiEm: don't you have any way to upload those to a file share somewhere? Jul 25 22:29:52 i can do it Jul 25 22:29:58 do u have a preferencies ? Jul 25 22:30:08 sure better than DCC Jul 25 22:30:17 me personally no Jul 25 22:31:26 but you could announce in talk.maemo.org and include the link to download location. You'll probably get much more feedback than by asking here and sharing via DCC Jul 25 22:32:23 yep Jul 25 22:32:28 Hi, where i can find apps for nokia on the web ? n900 Jul 25 22:32:32 i transfert it on my serv and make it Jul 25 22:32:35 bbl Jul 25 22:33:09 Ivis: practically, you don't, use the phones App Manager Jul 25 22:33:49 asj i know but i wanna check software on pc Jul 25 22:34:32 ou i found it :) ok thanks anyway Jul 25 22:39:33 could some testers please give http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ a vote? Thanks Jul 25 22:40:28 (sorry for description on web still somewhat mangled, in HAM anyway it's correct) Jul 25 22:40:58 bug #10987 Jul 25 22:40:59 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel * rendering issue Jul 25 22:42:42 starhash-enabler is what? (can't follow links atm) Jul 25 22:46:24 enables service codes (like *67# for call divert) in standard dialer Jul 25 22:47:24 so you finally can have fine grained control over call forwarding, and many other aspects of GSM service which your provider supports but N900 didn't Jul 25 22:48:54 where i can see a full list of mobile phones wich are based on maemo ? Jul 25 22:49:03 *#-ena moves N900 on par with cheap 20$ featurephones, with respect to that Jul 25 22:51:05 DocScrutinizer: there has been a settings widget for that for ever, btw. (not saying entering star codes by hand isn't good too) Jul 25 22:53:37 DocScrutinizer: nice Jul 25 22:53:37 Ivis: I've pasted the complete list of mobile phones based on Maemo here: http://pastebin.com/dMqmYQgR Jul 25 22:53:42 i don't need an extra widget to make my N900 use normal codes Jul 25 22:53:49 it's not a widget Jul 25 22:53:56 oh nvm Jul 25 22:54:04 * kerio reads the scrollback more Jul 25 22:54:11 kerio, i know, i made that package Jul 25 22:54:15 well Jul 25 22:54:18 helped make it Jul 25 22:54:55 lvis, let me give you the list: Jul 25 22:54:55 * N900 Jul 25 22:55:09 Uh, i lag Jul 25 22:55:30 Jaffa: lol Jul 25 22:55:36 FIQ ok thanks :) Jul 25 22:55:55 FIQ: I thought about doing that, but figured the pastebin could be funnier. Not sure. Jul 25 22:56:02 can i change os for example to gentoo on my n900 ? Jul 25 22:57:38 asj: (settings widget) none I know of, that would really deal with all the codes, or just with all the important codes Jul 25 22:58:04 Jaffa, wondered that as well. :p Jul 25 22:59:18 DocScrutinizer: it just deals with all the forwarding ones Jul 25 23:00:30 asj: in a comprehensive manner, like specifying number of seconds to ring, before redirect on "not answering"? Jul 25 23:02:00 DocScrutinizer: ayup, even polls to see what the current network setting is too Jul 25 23:02:44 :-) rather fine. Nevertheless *#-ena targets a slightly different topic Jul 25 23:02:58 DocScrutinizer: yeah, just more an fyi :) Jul 25 23:03:07 thanks :-)) Jul 25 23:03:43 the n900 has some of the features of the $20 nokia 1101, really! ;) Jul 25 23:05:09 http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/wireless/2010/072610wireless1.html Jul 25 23:05:32 put on the tin hats Jul 25 23:05:48 <|R> it doesn't seem to allow breaking in a network though Jul 25 23:06:05 i know Jul 25 23:06:13 that's why i said put on the tin hats ;) Jul 25 23:07:13 the reactive method to network protection would be to use wpa2 enterprise with strict logging and pkt injection detection which would disable the account and revoke the user and then allow someone to fire them :) Jul 25 23:07:24 or perm ban the MAC Jul 25 23:08:05 :) a person can only use so many devices and would probably give up after the 1st one Jul 25 23:18:41 There was some odd rubbery thingy that you put on the N900 that makes it look like a game pad. I can't find it... Does someone know what I'm talking about? Jul 25 23:19:12 yeah Jul 25 23:19:15 it was a kludge though Jul 25 23:20:15 sweet, you can set microb to use a socks proxy (I'm using ssh) :) Jul 25 23:20:31 I might write a little howto or something for the newbs. Jul 25 23:21:53 kerio: any idea what the name was? Jul 25 23:22:02 nope Jul 25 23:22:13 i think i read about it on joystiq Jul 25 23:22:30 alterego a howto for yourself? cool Jul 25 23:22:47 :) Jul 25 23:23:04 Someone was asking about socks and maemo earlier. Jul 25 23:23:37 alterego, it's christmas already? Jul 25 23:24:02 Useful for me, to circumvent "vodafone content control" Jul 25 23:24:28 never used socks tbh Jul 25 23:24:40 idk what socks is/are Jul 25 23:24:45 MohammadAG51: TMI Jul 25 23:24:48 Uhm, say I want to play a high res vid in the n900, just to test how much it lags; When I play it in mplayer I get this error: Source image dimensions are too high: 1280x720 (maximum is 864x648) FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver. Jul 25 23:28:06 ah Jul 25 23:28:12 mplayer -vf scale=800:480 Jul 25 23:28:30 cpu rape-ive Jul 25 23:28:44 yeah it doesn't work very well xD Jul 25 23:34:28 try 640:360, might work better due to integer scaling factor Jul 25 23:35:37 or transcode to new file, then probably playback is ok Jul 25 23:54:20 DocScrutinizer: that actually plays better but still badly Jul 25 23:58:59 Shapeshifter: you cant scale it real time like that on an n900 Jul 25 23:59:01 haha Jul 25 23:59:18 best to convert using handbrake Jul 25 23:59:48 im surprised something like that would have played faster than 2fps :) Jul 26 00:00:35 mplayer probably uses no hw decoding at all Jul 26 00:00:59 the scaling is esentially re-encoding on the fly Jul 26 00:01:50 use the ipod setting from handbrake for quick video making... or make your own profile and save it for the n900 Jul 26 00:03:01 Macer: yeah sure Jul 26 00:03:06 I wasn't expecting it to work ;) Jul 26 00:03:09 hahaha Jul 26 00:03:15 me too when i tried it Jul 26 00:03:18 ;) Jul 26 00:04:50 at least handbrake makes it easy ;) Jul 26 00:05:05 Macer: does it downsample to the highest possible res? Jul 26 00:05:12 as in, it still looks very good? Jul 26 00:05:55 yes Jul 26 00:06:08 try it Jul 26 00:06:30 make an n900 specific profile and you are golden ;) Jul 26 00:06:56 although. encoding as h264 will use the hw decoding on the n900 Jul 26 00:07:13 so no need for mplayer Jul 26 00:07:59 how big will these files be after encoding? Jul 26 00:11:35 h264 baseline works on n900 hardware decoder, 800x480 or so maximum res. h264 main profile and h264 high profile doesn't work with hw decode on n900, max res is something like 352x288 with MPlayer then.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:24:03 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:26:17 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:26:22 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:28:15 2010 Jul 26 01:12:47 hi, im wondering if anyone has had any luck with the UART behind the battery on the N900 as ttyS0? (as mentioned on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking but i'm not sure how much is hearsay) Jul 26 01:16:17 jacekowski did it Jul 26 01:21:10 DocScrutinizer: yes thanks, i was just wondering on some details: were any of the jtag pins ever confirmed, suggestions on building a breakout board for the signals, etc Jul 26 01:24:30 in particular, how jacekowski was able to boot with 'no battery present' Jul 26 01:26:59 is this channel still alive? Jul 26 01:27:24 any1 here? Jul 26 01:27:44 * Dassu Sees dead people OO Jul 26 01:27:58 * b-man is a zombie Jul 26 01:27:59 ? Jul 26 01:28:24 cheriff: jacekowski found txd Jul 26 01:28:30 cheriff: it is 1.8v logic Jul 26 01:29:28 has anyone found a fix for the buggy phone application in maemo? Jul 26 01:30:04 SpeedEvil: cool. im sure we can jury rig something together with this :) Jul 26 01:31:02 everytime i get a call the screen gets all messed up....missed a lotta cals Jul 26 01:32:50 backport the newest hildon-desktop Jul 26 01:32:53 worksforme Jul 26 01:33:24 where is it? Jul 26 01:33:51 sec, got a binary iirc Jul 26 01:33:52 i'm tallking about N900 Jul 26 01:34:12 I know Jul 26 01:34:45 where i can download n900 games? Jul 26 01:35:00 try the repos bjuddy Jul 26 01:35:16 Ivis: there aint shit games for N900 Jul 26 01:35:50 Maemoboi can i install any linux game on n900 ? Jul 26 01:36:01 Ivis: i dunnol Jul 26 01:36:05 ok Jul 26 01:36:20 Maemoboi, http://www.freemoe.org/users/mohammad/hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb Jul 26 01:36:27 thanks Jul 26 01:37:12 so i just install this and then what? Jul 26 01:38:18 it has the bug fixed Jul 26 01:38:24 what bug no., not sure Jul 26 01:38:24 sec Jul 26 01:39:12 oh, looks like you need the wallcharger to progress past boot Jul 26 01:39:51 SpeedEvil: just checked that, the supposed 2.6V sound odd Jul 26 01:42:14 cheriff: err wut? wallcharger, boot? Jul 26 01:42:47 cheriff: jacekowski attached a PSU to the battery contacts Jul 26 01:44:38 DocScrutinizer: oh, thats intereseting, cheers :) I was basing off: "If a wall charger is detected a device can be booted immediately, otherwise a battery is charged in low power mode until a bootable level is reached." Jul 26 01:45:14 that's BS Jul 26 01:45:36 i took that to mean it wont do a nobat-boot over USB, but will with the wallsocked (where d+ and d- are shorted) Jul 26 01:45:50 yeah, i just found my wallplug and no love ;) Jul 26 01:46:30 it will do faster charge with D+- short, but it always will need batery to boot and it will need decent voltage on that battery to boot Jul 26 01:46:55 otherwise it will go into emergency recover charge mode, with steady amber Jul 26 01:47:03 ~flatbatrecover Jul 26 01:47:04 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device Jul 26 01:47:54 thanks for that. was just hpoing for easier access to the pads Jul 26 01:48:33 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 Jul 26 01:48:51 I operated N900 for ~32min without battery :-) Jul 26 01:49:11 not thru boot though Jul 26 01:50:13 i just install vultures.install this game and can't find it Jul 26 01:50:17 where it should be? Jul 26 01:50:24 (don't forget to hit thanks button :-P my thanks rating stalls XD) Jul 26 01:51:19 Ivis: in appstarter icons? Jul 26 01:52:02 where else could it be? Jul 26 01:52:10 yea i know but nothing there Jul 26 01:52:39 then it's crap, it seems Jul 26 01:53:46 ok :) Jul 26 01:53:48 thanks Jul 26 01:54:17 you could try starting it from cmdline Jul 26 01:54:25 dunno what to start though Jul 26 01:55:20 maybe check HAM log (from HAM menu) - there might something gone wrong on install Jul 26 01:55:26 Hola!!!!! Jul 26 01:56:19 DocScrutinizer ok ty, and one more question :D on which linux are based n900 ? Jul 26 01:56:44 debian Jul 26 01:57:02 though the N900 is maemo Jul 26 01:57:21 ok thanks bro :) soo much problems with mobile phone Jul 26 02:54:38 ok, so I just finished adding Tonal characters to Luxi Mono... any simple way to get Maemo to use it? (*on topic*) Jul 26 02:58:01 luke-jr, ill go get the banhammer ready. :P Jul 26 02:59:46 oh wooow **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 02:59:57 2010