**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 02:59:57 2010 Jul 26 03:00:39 mediaplayer vPR1.2 *actually* learnt "delete song from playlist" - incredible Jul 26 03:00:51 lol Jul 26 03:07:54 another joke: thought I add ~flatbatrecover comment to tmo, so I searched for 'dead' in thread title: "N900 dead?", "Think my n900 is dead....", "is my N900 Dead?", "Is my N900 dead?", "Is my N900 dead?", "Dead N900?", " N900 Dead, MPD support number?", "Dead N900 after charging :-(", "Device completely dead - help!!!", " Dead after the PR1.1 failed update. Returning my N900 to Nokia.", " N900 dead after attempt at updating software"... Jul 26 03:07:56 That's just first page of hits, minus those that are not variations of same topic Jul 26 03:09:30 in regards to emergency charging, what if when it tries to boot the OS has no BME? Is there enough charge to do a flash? Jul 26 03:09:55 err what? Jul 26 03:10:58 no, you won't get enough carge into battery for flashing, with a system that's missing charger software Jul 26 03:11:56 so your screwed if you flatten your battery on an alternative os without bme? Jul 26 03:12:29 the acting_dead supposedly 'off' state charging is just a fully booted system with reduced set of services Jul 26 03:12:37 so yes Jul 26 03:12:45 you're screwed Jul 26 03:14:02 buy a rescue N900 to charge the battery Jul 26 03:14:09 hehe Jul 26 03:14:13 i cant believe nokia didnt anticipate that would happen Jul 26 03:14:18 I got a rescue N900 Jul 26 03:14:20 :-D Jul 26 03:14:33 TermanaN900: they did Jul 26 03:14:47 looks like ill be buying myself an external battery charger Jul 26 03:14:48 don't they warn "charge battery fully before updating" ? Jul 26 03:15:07 DocScrutinizer, they did, but did nothing about it? Jul 26 03:15:21 they clearly say: recharge your battery completely before flashing, as when flashing goes wrong you won't be able to charge battery Jul 26 03:15:49 flashing failing == flashing a OS without bme Jul 26 03:16:38 DocScrutinizer, right but if you have a different os that doesnt have bme and your battery dies, you stuck as well Jul 26 03:16:44 not just when you flash Jul 26 03:16:59 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 26 03:17:18 you're not supposed to flash borked odd OS. Jul 26 03:17:37 That's a wider case of 'flashing failed' Jul 26 03:19:12 wow. some of the stuff that snor leopard can't do just amazes me Jul 26 03:19:12 what puzzles me more is there's obviously no fallback to recover from a damaged NOLO Jul 26 03:19:15 theming being a big one Jul 26 03:19:31 you have to jump through hoops to get it to look like it isn't a default android install Jul 26 03:20:54 Macer, snow leopard... as in os x? maybe if you used a mans os like linux you would be fine Jul 26 03:20:57 :P Jul 26 03:21:30 sopen like a upright haX0r :-D Jul 26 03:21:36 spoken Jul 26 03:21:39 wtf Jul 26 03:21:45 DocScrutinizer: it's probably just a where do you draw the line type of issue, it was released as a working phone with maemo5 and it also happended to be faily open. If it was released as a here's a hackable phone do with it as you like, then that would have moved the line Jul 26 03:22:11 TermanaN900: yeah. i can feel my testacles falling off Jul 26 03:22:13 but meh :) Jul 26 03:22:27 it's like trying to put a death dragon on a pink shirt Jul 26 03:22:37 asj: fair enough Jul 26 03:25:10 asj: otoh they could have connected rom-bootloader serial to the USB datalines, so you could load a program to flash a new NOLO via USB (in serial mode!) and wouldn't need a jig to contact the testpads under battery to do so Jul 26 03:25:41 afaik e.g. some android phones work that way Jul 26 03:27:00 would need just some half dozen of really cheap components, if at all Jul 26 03:27:09 DocScrutinizer: mmm, it's probably just how they are used to doing manufacturing. Jigs and line setup is already in place, each jib programs, tests, etc, lasts for 10,000 devices (random number picked out of my butt) where as the USB connector and cable is good for 1000. Dunno, random guess. Jul 26 03:27:37 otoh they spend money for HW doing the nonsensical R&D mode kbd flickering Jul 26 03:28:10 heh, I can guarantee you it means something to probably 1 person Jul 26 03:28:59 asj: they can have USB on testpads as well Jul 26 03:29:09 so no change in manuf line Jul 26 03:29:40 I'd be not surprised they actually have Jul 26 03:29:41 DocScrutinizer: mmm, other option was, they never even thought about it Jul 26 03:29:48 yep Jul 26 03:34:12 well, I seem to have heard OMAP doesn't per default try to read in bootcode from serial, you need to pull a line to make it do that Jul 26 03:34:33 that'd explain why it didn't look like worth the effort Jul 26 03:36:38 on OM wikireader the SoC always tries to load a tiny chunk of code from serial, and excute, and falls back to booting from external rom only when that serial boot timeouts (in ms) Jul 26 03:56:10 O.o Jul 26 03:56:14 Flashlight has an update? how? Jul 26 03:56:21 I mean, it does what it's supposed to do... Jul 26 03:57:25 luke-jr, needs a strobe light function Jul 26 03:57:33 friend had that on his droid.. Jul 26 03:57:43 felt there was no reason for the n900 not to have it Jul 26 03:57:52 [22:17:18] you're not supposed to flash borked odd OS. Jul 26 03:58:04 DocScrutinizer: as BME is closed, that's saying you're not supposed to change N900 ;) Jul 26 03:58:20 dotblank: was that added? Jul 26 03:58:31 there are 3 apps I wish my n900 had Jul 26 03:58:51 strobe light, hypnotoad, and a push to talk walkie talking with other phones Jul 26 03:58:52 not that I can tell... Jul 26 03:59:01 dotblank: so implement them Jul 26 03:59:07 luke-jr, I might :) Jul 26 03:59:23 dotblank: of all things, a strobe light and hynotoad are easy Jul 26 03:59:27 luke-jr: basically your last post to me is correct Jul 26 03:59:46 asj, My thoughts exactly.. Jul 26 04:00:01 how hard would be to write an extension to xmpp and jabber? Jul 26 04:00:06 dotblank: how'd you implemet PTT? Over WLAN? Jul 26 04:00:16 and make it send audio packets Jul 26 04:00:25 DocScrutinizer, over 3g Jul 26 04:00:32 uh Jul 26 04:00:40 dotblank: you like an old Nextel customer or something? Jul 26 04:00:51 my friend has an app that does it over 3g on his droid Jul 26 04:01:05 hmm, k Jul 26 04:01:26 the point is that its easy Jul 26 04:01:28 sounds like voip with aitomatic call accept Jul 26 04:01:49 don't stream it live, store it then xfer it "reliably", limit to 30 seconds or somethign...? Jul 26 04:02:00 my friends no absolutely nothing about phones and they can use a PTT feature on a droid Jul 26 04:02:13 There is delay Jul 26 04:02:19 so I assumed thats what it did Jul 26 04:02:41 sounds weird and useless Jul 26 04:02:55 DocScrutinizer: nextel built a whole company around it Jul 26 04:02:55 I think writing a mobile walkie talkie extension to jabber would work Jul 26 04:03:09 and make a custom app the same way the "file transfer app" works Jul 26 04:04:09 *xmpp Jul 26 04:04:30 buffering 30s before sending the whole block will create a mostly useless app Jul 26 04:04:45 30s is too long Jul 26 04:04:56 the audio segments are short like "where are you" Jul 26 04:05:05 even 10s is too long Jul 26 04:05:06 and they can be highly compressed Jul 26 04:05:19 don't buffer at all Jul 26 04:05:23 don't stream Jul 26 04:05:36 record packet encode and upload Jul 26 04:05:47 sequentially Jul 26 04:05:57 what's the diff to 'stream' then? Jul 26 04:06:10 stream does exactly that Jul 26 04:06:33 DocScrutinizer: nah I don't think it's a huge deal to store and forward, it's not like you're in the same room and kinda like sms/im/irc latency, which is fine some things Jul 26 04:06:34 stream would be while talking encode on the fly and upload on the fly while the other phone decodes on the fly Jul 26 04:06:50 dotblank: that's called streaming Jul 26 04:06:58 asj, my point exactly Jul 26 04:07:17 asj, store and forward isnt really streaming Jul 26 04:07:19 and what is it you're doing differently? Jul 26 04:07:38 do store and forward instead of streaming Jul 26 04:07:46 * asj is confused Jul 26 04:07:58 nonsense. RTP is buffering (==storing) packets, encodes them and forwards them Jul 26 04:08:01 the differance is very slight Jul 26 04:08:12 it wouldn't be RTP Jul 26 04:08:27 well I guess it would but not real time Jul 26 04:08:43 what for?? Jul 26 04:08:55 to differentiate? Jul 26 04:09:07 unique feature, we got delay Jul 26 04:09:11 it would like a text message but with audio Jul 26 04:09:18 but transported over xmpp Jul 26 04:09:44 yea but it would I believe perform better on unreliable networks Jul 26 04:09:57 I'd rather it get delayed then be choppy Jul 26 04:10:35 also for a proof of concept it would be easier to get it started withouyt buffering Jul 26 04:10:35 uhuh, so you actually want to buffer a whole 30s package? Jul 26 04:10:36 one of the problems with voip is jitter and lost packaets, would be useful to have short audio clips that actually worked Jul 26 04:10:51 possibly even longer Jul 26 04:11:36 asj, exactly.. delay isn't an issue for a walkie talkie cell phone app wich means we can avoid jitter and lost packets Jul 26 04:11:58 well not lost packets but if its over tcp it would send all the audio Jul 26 04:12:17 I don't care if it has to retransmit the entire message as long as it gets sent eventually Jul 26 04:12:34 asj: you got exactly same problem with every media transfer. You're just sugesting here to increase blocksize to virtually infinite, so you don't get jitter by definition. Still it's no difference to RTP Jul 26 04:13:08 RTP usually runs on udp right? Jul 26 04:13:13 DocScrutinizer: so Nokia wants to use "you can change it!" as a selling point, but really don't want you to change it Jul 26 04:13:20 RTP could work with 2s frames instead of 20ms frames Jul 26 04:13:33 DocScrutinizer, that would work better Jul 26 04:13:40 RTP can run over TCP as well Jul 26 04:13:50 twinkle has TCP-VoIP Jul 26 04:14:02 DocScrutinizer: I guess I care less about the method of transfer, and more the idea of user discovery and accetable audio Jul 26 04:14:16 DocScrutinizer, but I would perfer over a network that changes and could be vast in distance and dynamic to send the entire message at once with error checking and retransmission Jul 26 04:14:25 * luke-jr ponders just recording until key up, then transmitting the whole thing Jul 26 04:14:57 asj: isn't method of transfer relevant to compatibility with normal phones? Jul 26 04:15:03 I think RTP would be too complex in a environment too dynamic and unreliable Jul 26 04:15:32 I think it would be safer to do as luke-jr says Jul 26 04:15:38 dotblank: when sending whole msg you get no PTT but a weird audio attachment mail app Jul 26 04:15:56 DocScrutinizer, yes but easy and its still push to talk with delay Jul 26 04:16:08 PTT is meant to be almost realtime, with maybe a short delay of max 4s Jul 26 04:16:19 DocScrutinizer, not too sure about that Jul 26 04:16:29 luke-jr: you mean non-n900? that depends if there's anything existing you could plug into. If the driod app is popular then do that, assuming verzion doesn't have it locked up tighter than a catholic preist around small children Jul 26 04:16:30 but delay couyld be about 4s Jul 26 04:16:40 if the clip is 2 seconds long Jul 26 04:16:52 4s after end of recording might be possible Jul 26 04:17:16 worthless Jul 26 04:17:29 DocScrutinizer, well jeez your tough Jul 26 04:17:44 you can't dialog, so you could as well talk to your partner's voicebox instead Jul 26 04:17:46 DocScrutinizer: im must be worthless too ;) Jul 26 04:18:07 DocScrutinizer, yea but thats a hassle Jul 26 04:18:13 Im talking ease of use Jul 26 04:18:32 who is going to check thier vbox every 5 mins? Jul 26 04:18:43 and go through menus Jul 26 04:19:12 Im just saying a droid app does this.. works well and is very usable Jul 26 04:19:22 Im just sad there isn't a n900 clone.. Jul 26 04:19:36 ease of use means you don't get collisions which will happen inevitably when far end is supposed to wait 60s if maybe you answer a long monolog. They for sure will press button again and send a "what now? answer!" and you're in a mess Jul 26 04:19:54 as this can't be played back while you record Jul 26 04:20:00 * cheriff always thought PTT was just the marketing name for "streamlined method of recording an audio clip, attaching to an MMS and sending" Jul 26 04:20:19 ok so whats more important? speed or reliability is what it boils down to.. you could also get "I didn't understand that go again?" Jul 26 04:20:26 then after you send out that monolog, you get all the stored up msgs from far end which date back Jul 26 04:20:57 maybe send a record packet to let the user know in realtime hes recording a message and its on its way Jul 26 04:21:20 won't fly. Usability research on such systems showed users can not cope with delays >4s Jul 26 04:21:24 see give status and the issue is resolved Jul 26 04:21:47 DocScrutinizer, if they need less then 4s they should call each other Jul 26 04:22:31 DocScrutinizer, maybe offer both.. an option for RT or Reliability Jul 26 04:22:33 dotblank: yes, PTT is a simplex realtime dialog, while you are talking about MMS Jul 26 04:23:00 DocScrutinizer, yes its really a mms in a nutshell.. I just want to make it easier and run over jabber/xmpp Jul 26 04:23:49 It shouldn't be that hard to make Jul 26 04:25:17 http://hit-mob.com/category/walkie-talkie/ Jul 26 04:25:21 thats an example **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 05:00:15 2010 Jul 26 05:07:34 * Stskeeps tries to awaken Jul 26 05:08:18 DocScrutinizer: the fact they removed 'charging' screen from fremantle was stupid Jul 26 05:08:44 DocScrutinizer: many people think their n900's are dead as you can't distinguish at times between typical startup or charging Jul 26 05:11:16 the fact that it doesn't boot to desktop if was turned off and then was plugged into charger is stupid. Jul 26 05:14:25 and startup sound (unless it is followed by first-boot-wizard) is stupid too. Jul 26 05:17:38 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/microemulator/2.0.4-2/ Jul 26 05:18:50 download link is currepted http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/microemulator/microemulator_2.0.4-2_armel.deb Jul 26 05:21:05 RST38h: i can't find any! Jul 26 05:21:47 RST38h: and that does not exist in my application manager Jul 26 05:22:45 ilius: did you add extras-testing repo? :) Jul 26 05:23:36 slonopotamus: no Jul 26 05:25:33 :) Jul 26 05:27:57 souce.list.d seems unfamiliar! :-D Jul 26 05:47:30 … Jul 26 05:51:59 luke-jr (~luke-jr@2002:62b3:1d4c:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d) Jul 26 05:52:13 TermanaN900: ? Jul 26 05:52:17 wtf is this ipv6 shit. MUTANY I TELL YA Jul 26 06:05:50 TermanaN900: I've been IPv6 for years now Jul 26 06:21:43 luke-jr: You've been on 6to4 for years. Jul 26 06:35:42 Duckboot: still am Jul 26 06:52:53 i added extras-testing repo, but still the is no package microemulator! Jul 26 07:09:15 I wonder if programming an interactive serial terminal on an arduino board that displays a series of questions that when answered correctly displays my secret gpg key and kept in a safe deposit box overkill? Jul 26 07:10:06 Physical access etc. Jul 26 07:10:08 depends on if you consider your data valuable after your death Jul 26 07:10:08 :P Jul 26 07:11:51 Stskeeps, hmm good point better encrypt the memory on the board and decode it at runtime with a key generated from sha1 of all the answers Jul 26 07:16:45 dotblank: it wouldn't be very safe Jul 26 07:17:54 dotblank: anybody with bit of a time can suck that program out of avr Jul 26 07:18:18 replace the questions with a raw 30 digit number Jul 26 07:18:24 and memorize that number Jul 26 07:18:30 saying that avr's are still very secure devices Jul 26 07:18:40 fuses buried under 2 metal layers Jul 26 07:18:44 in middle of flash Jul 26 07:19:14 Actually, yeah, you could just cryptinate the stuff and the questions can generate the key, up to some obscene length. Jul 26 07:19:43 and uv is not going to work because ereased fuses mean locked device Jul 26 07:19:48 actually, 30 digit number is only like 33 bits :| Jul 26 07:19:51 * RST38h yawns Jul 26 07:19:56 but if somebody would have like FIB Jul 26 07:20:13 then he can suck key out in less than couple minutes Jul 26 07:21:23 just have it voice locked Jul 26 07:21:36 so? Jul 26 07:21:36 then you have an excuse to not work when you're sick Jul 26 07:21:41 "my voice doesn't match!" Jul 26 07:22:21 could always have it hash your brainwaves too Jul 26 07:22:22 : Jul 26 07:22:24 ☺ Jul 26 07:23:00 Or hash your penis, showing you varoius bits of porn. Like to see that work under duress. Jul 26 07:24:25 …….. Jul 26 07:24:50 I'm not sure I'd like to see any device capable of hashing penises. Jul 26 07:26:12 lol Jul 26 07:27:16 look just make it computer realted questions Jul 26 07:27:24 no one will be able to answer them Jul 26 07:28:33 What was the name of the c++ class you used to overcome auto-rotation issues Jul 26 07:34:09 SpeedEvil: it's not 1.8 Jul 26 07:34:16 SpeedEvil: it's more like 2.6V Jul 26 07:57:29 i was thinking about remote wipe for maemo Jul 26 07:58:35 on bootloader level Jul 26 08:25:52 does anybody have a link to wayfinder download? Jul 26 08:25:59 that nav software for n8x0 Jul 26 08:35:12 hi again, if i'm reading correctly, flasher-3.5 allows you to say load a kernel image and than boot it directly from memory by specifying -l -b instead of -f -R .. Is that correct? Jul 26 08:35:17 right Jul 26 08:35:24 what are you hoping to do? Jul 26 08:36:52 I need to convert UYVY format to RGB for camera buffer. What is the hardware solution for conversion? as software conversion kills CPU? Jul 26 08:37:17 well i was looking at the u-boot sources, and was going to use that to test progressive builds without constantly flashing .. but then i just realised this allows me to do that without needing to port uboot, so moot discussion :) Jul 26 08:37:40 cheriff: ah, yeah Jul 26 08:37:50 progressive builds of? Jul 26 08:39:38 makulkar: gstreamer should have NEON optimizations for that Jul 26 08:39:41 what kind of software conversion are you using now? Jul 26 08:40:20 Stskeeps: at first u-boot, and then a microkernel i have working on the beagleboard (and on n900 but via a *really* gross hack where a custom linux .ko hopes to find enough high contiguous physmem to load from mmc and then jump) Jul 26 08:40:55 but futzing with the mmc each cycle, and my mistrust in 'using maemo as a bootloader' scheme i was looking into alternatives :) Jul 26 08:41:18 ssvb, written a own logic to convert to RGB Jul 26 08:41:25 ssvb, googled rather Jul 26 08:41:32 hmm Jul 26 08:41:39 morgen Jul 26 08:41:44 where i can find libhildonwidgets.so.0 Jul 26 08:41:50 cheriff: if you can make your kernel boot as a 'zimage' format, that's probably easier Jul 26 08:42:39 yeah. and isnt zImage just self-extracting elf? (ie the gzip'dness of it should be optional, other than size constraints) Jul 26 08:42:56 can't recall specifics but i don't think you're far off Jul 26 08:43:17 ssvb, can you give some link on NEON? I couldnt find any :( Jul 26 08:43:24 makulkar: google Jul 26 08:43:25 either way, shouldn't bee too tough to sort out. Thanks for the hearening tips on flasher!! Jul 26 08:43:34 makulkar: lmgtfy.com/?q=neon+arm Jul 26 08:44:46 jacekowski, my bad its arm! thanks! Jul 26 08:45:42 makulkar: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/gst-plugins-base0.10/ Jul 26 08:46:31 makulkar: though it may have a bit different conversion optimized and not exactly the one you need Jul 26 08:46:56 makulkar: look in 'debian/patches' directory Jul 26 08:47:40 ssvb, great stuff! will check now. thanks Jul 26 08:50:19 ssvb, its still CPU solution isnt it? Jul 26 08:50:52 makulkar: yes, but you are memory bandwidth limited anyway Jul 26 08:58:39 hrrrm Jul 26 08:58:48 anyone got cfdisk working? Jul 26 08:58:52 or even regular fdisk? Jul 26 08:59:12 what package is fdisk part of? Should be diskutils some sorta? Jul 26 09:09:33 is there any generic util for linux/arm/maemo to read gpio state on omap? Jul 26 09:15:28 UART boot: UART3 is the only possible UART from which boot can be Jul 26 09:15:30 performed. Jul 26 09:15:32 ehhh Jul 26 09:15:37 that kinda sucks Jul 26 09:20:58 hmm, usb boot support Jul 26 10:14:13 hi Jul 26 10:27:09 anyone here tried the mycontacts-widget? and if so.. Do you like it? Jul 26 10:27:21 it could be a reason to mod to 5 workspaces ;) Jul 26 10:34:06 Just bought that OpenGL ES 2.0 Programming Guide book, :) Jul 26 10:39:37 hello :) Jul 26 10:39:44 hello Jul 26 10:40:20 its now been a while since i last came here. has there been any reports of n900 failing due to overclocking yet? Jul 26 10:40:36 some Jul 26 10:40:39 Viliny_on_N900: I heard of one, but I don't know. Jul 26 10:40:49 Heh, cool. Jul 26 10:40:49 yes, someone got lcd glass into their face Jul 26 10:40:50 :P Jul 26 10:41:19 liar :D Jul 26 10:41:27 Stskeeps: do you have spare n900? Jul 26 10:41:31 jacekowski: no Jul 26 10:41:34 Can I get a set of GLES2 headers for ubuntu 10.04 to dos mobile dev on a computer? Jul 26 10:41:35 jacekowski: i do intend to buy one Jul 26 10:41:55 i want to test something with bootloader Jul 26 10:41:56 i stopped using the oc kernel with the atest Jul 26 10:42:04 latest update Jul 26 10:42:04 as long as you're not letting it overheat then failure is not somethign I'd worry about Jul 26 10:42:22 mirf: read the datasheet Jul 26 10:42:32 mirf: just running it at higher frequency makes it life shorter Jul 26 10:42:47 people here were so determined that oc:ing was baaad Jul 26 10:43:16 so i went ahead and stopped doing it. since i only have extensive experience with x86 Jul 26 10:43:51 OK but isn't it underclocked at stock settings Jul 26 10:43:53 just curious if there were reported cases of damaged units now that some time has passed Jul 26 10:44:30 not at mas load no... 600mhz and the specs is 600mhz for this particular cpu... right? Jul 26 10:44:33 mirf: no it's not underclocked, it's clocked at exactly what TI have said it should run at. Jul 26 10:44:39 max load* Jul 26 10:45:04 I see Jul 26 10:46:05 there is a 1000mhz variant thats almost the same i think... source of confusion for people thinking it's a 1ghz running at 0,6 Jul 26 10:46:46 wonder how big of a price diff the faster one would have made. Jul 26 10:47:26 oh well. i fine with the speed now that 1,2 is out. Jul 26 10:52:52 you would need bigger battery for 1GHz one Jul 26 10:53:24 because that small one in n900 would be just sucked out in hour or 2 Jul 26 11:04:13 villager: I didn't hear of any.. Jul 26 11:04:39 oh, he left :) Jul 26 11:05:00 * haj is still running OC'ed with no problems... 1GHz max freq the last 2 weeks. Jul 26 11:05:56 I can't make that hack to use more than 4 home views work.. it just doesn't do anything Jul 26 11:06:55 it's not just about price Jul 26 11:07:08 i don't think that the 1ghz version is that much pricier than the .6 one Jul 26 11:07:30 you're assuming it existed at the time Jul 26 11:12:47 Harware design is probably close to 2 years old by now. Jul 26 11:15:39 jacekowski, considering a stock device - if it ran at 600mhz continuously then the battery would drain, but the cpu throttles itself anyway Jul 26 11:16:08 so not even considering overclocking, the only reason a battery should drain quicker is with a runaway process Jul 26 11:17:18 kerio: I don't think they are much different... the 6. and the 1 Jul 26 11:17:30 but thats speculation.. I don't know anything about i.. :) Jul 26 11:18:40 X-Fade, \o Jul 26 11:26:36 Heya guys, could anybody tell me how to patch the python script described in the wiki? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting_installation_with_GUI_installer Jul 26 11:27:12 Running non-debian linux, so I need to patch Jul 26 11:27:45 act Jul 26 11:27:48 Grrr. Jul 26 11:45:50 File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 2329 Jul 26 11:45:50 summary += "Packages to install: %s

" % \ Jul 26 11:45:50 ^ Jul 26 11:45:50 IndentationError: unexpected indent Jul 26 11:45:53 Anyone know the problem? Jul 26 11:49:32 this page should be updated for maemo5 1.2: http://maemo.org/development/training/ it will be very valuable Jul 26 11:50:33 teeheehee, finally got texture mapping sorted in GLES2 :) Jul 26 11:50:39 Book was a good idea. Jul 26 11:56:03 specially updating it to qt Jul 26 11:56:10 ( SpeedEvil: it's more like 2.6V) PLEASE check again, CAREFULLY Jul 26 11:56:51 2V6 is completely odd Jul 26 11:57:37 all IO is on 1V8, and we occasionally see V_IO3.3 Jul 26 11:58:58 jacekowski: sure you used GND testpad? Jul 26 11:59:12 ugh Jul 26 11:59:15 osx is a pain Jul 26 11:59:33 yeah eso 10.3 on N900 Jul 26 11:59:39 esp* Jul 26 11:59:46 :-P Jul 26 11:59:51 lol Jul 26 12:00:11 you know the video Jul 26 12:00:44 strange .. again this weird led pattern Jul 26 12:01:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU&feature=related Jul 26 12:01:06 weird led pattern? Jul 26 12:01:21 red on/off? Jul 26 12:01:40 maybe it is trying to send you a msg from outer space in morris code Jul 26 12:01:50 please describe more detail Jul 26 12:01:53 morris code? wtf? Jul 26 12:02:01 MohammadAG51: white full bright, fading to 75%, rinse repeat Jul 26 12:02:06 some strange bug Jul 26 12:02:13 somewhere on the international space station a russian cosmonaut is dying trying his last idea out to be saved Jul 26 12:02:15 i dont have such a pattern in my mce.ini Jul 26 12:02:20 pelota widget leftovers? Jul 26 12:02:24 rinse?? Jul 26 12:02:36 DocScrutinizer, he uses it as a washer apparently Jul 26 12:02:40 cehteh: You have been infected. There is no cure. Jul 26 12:02:46 and you are ignoring the call for help Jul 26 12:02:55 DocScrutinizer: btw.. lookink at the clock on the ppc boot .. hehe Jul 26 12:03:12 yep Jul 26 12:03:23 roundabout 3h Jul 26 12:03:28 or sth Jul 26 12:03:40 whee, the maemo bug jar reports just got better with those graphs Jul 26 12:03:48 ...but how, exactly, should those graphs be read? Jul 26 12:04:17 i guess horizontal is time, and vertical is amount, but what's at the bottom, and what's the top? Jul 26 12:04:24 and 'F12 enables mouse' .. haha Jul 26 12:04:42 and what is the timeframe? Jul 26 12:04:50 heh Jul 26 12:05:28 bye Jul 26 12:06:45 * DocScrutinizer wonders who's will marone? Needs a big hug, as it seems nobody ever is testing a package Jul 26 12:11:24 cehteh: check if mce is running at all Jul 26 12:12:20 cehteh: enable another pattern via dbus cmd to mce, then disable it and see if the faulty pattern returns Jul 26 12:12:49 (which would mean it's actually managed by mce and the pattern stack of mce) Jul 26 12:14:12 cehteh: and what'S meaning of 'rinse'? is it a typo of 'rise'? Jul 26 12:14:36 "lather, rinse, repeat" Jul 26 12:14:49 It's the instructions on many bottles of shampoo. Jul 26 12:14:55 yeah Jul 26 12:16:01 though always thought the repeat part is pretty useless - except for those selling the shampoo Jul 26 12:16:53 white full bright, fading to 75%, rinse repeat Jul 26 12:17:04 sounds weird though Jul 26 12:18:11 is it possible to use the terminal -command line- to export the contacts addresses? Jul 26 12:18:47 I'd prefer a proper pattern for mce, exactly mimicking the weird pattern Jul 26 12:19:44 Hrm, so I can manually load textures using Qt, but the Qt bindTexture function doesn't work for me :/ Jul 26 12:19:51 smhar: seems *possible*, but only with program that doesn't exist on N900 by default Jul 26 12:20:21 docscrutinizer, which one? Jul 26 12:20:28 no idea Jul 26 12:20:32 yet to write Jul 26 12:21:26 needs to use contacts lib and access the database to print out contacts to commandline. Don't know of existing such program Jul 26 12:21:32 docscrutinizer, do you mean another contacts program? or another program to read stock contacts program? Jul 26 12:22:22 smhar: I believe the contacts are stored in a Berkeley DB file; so it isn't too difficult to access them. Jul 26 12:22:42 from cmdline? how? Jul 26 12:23:15 I have a script at home that does that ... let's see if i remember ... Jul 26 12:23:17 found no berkleyDB analogon to sqlite Jul 26 12:24:11 krakan: *much* appreciated Jul 26 12:24:33 Finally managed to load a texture, but QGLWidget::bindTexture still isn't working for me :/ Jul 26 12:24:36 hm, it's a perl script Jul 26 12:24:44 krakan, me too:-) Jul 26 12:25:14 krakan: nevertheless, I'll buy it Jul 26 12:25:22 even when it's perl Jul 26 12:25:27 use DB_File; Jul 26 12:27:24 I don't remember which perl module I'm using and I'm not doing it on the N900 but on my Debian laptop. DB_File sound familiar though. Jul 26 12:27:55 http://perldoc.perl.org/DB_File.html Jul 26 12:28:30 visz: does that work on the N900? Jul 26 12:28:42 no idea Jul 26 12:29:11 Where is my LCARS theme for N900? Why I has none? :) Jul 26 12:29:39 =D Jul 26 12:30:04 also: communicator ring tone Jul 26 12:30:25 and tricorder sounds for sms etc Jul 26 12:30:35 And a transporter, I hate driving. Jul 26 12:31:05 Or at least I would like transporter more... Jul 26 12:32:05 ahha Jul 26 12:32:06 File: .osso-abook/db Jul 26 12:32:06 Format: berkley database Jul 26 12:32:06 Contents: address book vcard data. Jul 26 12:35:18 visz: startrek communicator sound on sliding kbd open :-D Jul 26 12:36:08 and per-contact ringtones in friggin .osso-abook/db Jul 26 12:36:59 if it wasn't for friggin libabook I'd probably already implemented it Jul 26 12:37:37 i want FSO on maemo :`( Jul 26 12:37:47 DocScrutinizer: Startrek Communicator on slide open kbd.... That would be awesome, and annoying at the same time. Jul 26 12:38:03 Cool Jul 26 12:38:20 yeah, you're so right dude. I know what you're talking of - i got it Jul 26 12:38:28 Hehe Jul 26 12:39:03 worst thing is play-sound doesn't honor volume setting or any profile Jul 26 12:39:11 Hahaha Jul 26 12:39:34 Even more awesome and annoying Jul 26 12:40:08 and when I ask "how would I plyback a wav with same volume like ringtone is right that moment?" I never get any pointer Jul 26 12:40:56 i think there is an app to play a sound when opening the keyboard Jul 26 12:41:07 n900 audio concept is a noncept, undocumented and weird Jul 26 12:41:36 visz: that app is called dbus scripts Jul 26 12:41:52 though I know here's something more specialized Jul 26 12:41:55 Nokia N900 LockDaemon "App" Plays audio file when you slide keyboard Jul 26 12:42:00 ahha Jul 26 12:43:05 does it blend? err level the volume? Jul 26 12:43:21 and shut up on silent profile Jul 26 12:43:24 ? Jul 26 12:43:45 And other media players have to look like fmradio to be heard if silent profile is on? Jul 26 12:44:24 noncept Jul 26 12:44:54 FSCKNG undocumented policy enforcer engine in PA Jul 26 12:45:36 no config interface, no GUI to set up per app policies, no.... nuttin Jul 26 12:45:49 men Jul 26 12:45:52 meh Jul 26 12:45:56 lockdaemon: Depends: libqt4-maemo5-phonon but it is not installable Jul 26 12:48:01 let's put it that way: audio on linux is screwed and always has been, and introducing PA didn't exactly help on that. But on smartphones running linux it's madness at its best Jul 26 12:50:02 * DocScrutinizer jumping thru the room in weird patterns and cackles laud and dangerous Jul 26 12:52:17 are there any scanners that can scan as pdf and store them on a micro sd all on their own? Jul 26 12:53:01 * DocScrutinizer urges developers of pulseaudio for a mass duell next noon Jul 26 12:53:21 weapon: javelins Jul 26 12:53:36 and railguns Jul 26 12:53:49 DocScrutinizer: are you proficient in any type of barehanded fighting, or combat with one or more weapons, including both firearms and knives and alike? Jul 26 12:53:58 i need to know because i'm taking bets Jul 26 12:54:27 * SpeedEvil gets his railgun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_gun Jul 26 12:54:36 I'm mad. So mad at PA I simply can not lose that fight Jul 26 12:54:57 Railguns ftw Jul 26 12:55:26 ok, PA developers are in for 1.80:1 Jul 26 12:55:35 somehow i feel DocScrutinizer has been at the army Jul 26 12:55:55 I have my own army :-P Jul 26 12:56:28 we are BORG, resistance is futile! Jul 26 12:56:32 SpeedEvil: much better railgun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun Jul 26 12:57:00 sadly in Denmark most things funny are illegal.. including bicycles with no brakes, railguns, and having your own army... Jul 26 12:57:07 it's even illigal to own a tank. Jul 26 12:57:27 (even if it can't shoot) Jul 26 12:57:46 you can't have a gun where i live Jul 26 12:57:48 haj: what about field artillery? Jul 26 12:58:03 PolarFox: uhm.. I guess thats a no-no as well Jul 26 12:58:11 haj: we need to write a working n900nuke Jul 26 12:58:21 I've seen some nice artillery pieces in one backyard in Pori, Finland.. :) Jul 26 12:58:24 PolarFox: you need permission to own those small canons they use at parties ;) Jul 26 12:58:43 salute canon I guess they call them Jul 26 12:59:01 haj: And they are metal pipes with wheels... Jul 26 12:59:31 As a random aside: Inception is excellent. Jul 26 13:00:02 GAN900, it's awesome! Seen it on saturday Jul 26 13:00:13 i'd watch it again :D Jul 26 13:00:13 GAN900: you're awesome too, duntwori Jul 26 13:00:27 PolarFox: Because of stupid people making laws it has recently been outlawed walking on the street with a knife in your pocket, or having a knife in your car, or your bag... So I can't have a Leatherman Jul 26 13:00:32 PolarFox: it's so stupid Jul 26 13:00:34 Although it's rather rushed and lacking character development for it. Jul 26 13:00:44 haj, where? Jul 26 13:00:49 GAN900: Denmark Jul 26 13:00:57 haj: why do you need a knife on you? Jul 26 13:01:06 crashanddie: I'd like a multitool Jul 26 13:01:14 to melee of course Jul 26 13:01:14 crashanddie: And the knife is useful Jul 26 13:01:15 duh Jul 26 13:01:23 MohammadAG51: that too ;) Jul 26 13:01:29 MohammadAG51: don't you throw rocks at thanks? Jul 26 13:01:34 tanks Jul 26 13:01:35 ** Jul 26 13:01:46 crashanddie, no, I throw knives now Jul 26 13:01:52 haj: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/19982222 Scene from my homecity ;) Jul 26 13:01:58 well, I'm guessing you throw rocks at "thanks" too, considering how many you're getting :P Jul 26 13:02:08 crashie Jul 26 13:02:11 haj, ah, well, who's surprised. :P Jul 26 13:02:20 where the heck you been? :) Jul 26 13:02:41 haj: What about fishing? In Denmark I have to fish without a knife? :) Jul 26 13:02:50 haj, come to Florida, we'll even let you carry a gun in your pocket. ;) Jul 26 13:02:50 crashanddie: sub 600-700 EUR MTB, preferably hardtail, do recommend one :) Jul 26 13:03:08 PolarFox: You can be excused if you have a good reason... so camping, fishing and stuff is okay Jul 26 13:03:08 tybollt: same as mine? Jul 26 13:03:14 no Jul 26 13:03:14 GAN900, can I come? :) Jul 26 13:03:18 GAN900: Well, in finland 15 year old can get a permit for a shotgun.. Jul 26 13:03:25 crashanddie: you got pro gear... I'm a happy amateur :) Jul 26 13:03:27 haj: Same here then ;) Jul 26 13:03:34 PolarFox: but you can't put your fishinggear in your car, and visit somebody and then go fish.. you need to go directly from your home to fish Jul 26 13:04:05 PolarFox: A guy got 7 days jail for driving around with fishinggear that included a knife a few months ago.. ;) Jul 26 13:04:19 PolarFox: ? They changed that, didnt they? Jul 26 13:04:25 haj: So I need my letherman for computer stuff, and I'm required to be ready to go to work when the phone rings... :) Jul 26 13:04:30 IIRC after those coupla school shootings Jul 26 13:04:51 tybollt: No they didn't.. It's just harder.. You can still hunt when you are 15.. Jul 26 13:05:21 tybollt: you can't have a knife because of school shootings? Jul 26 13:05:24 * PolarFox has shot with an assault rifle replica when he was 16... in a public firing range. Jul 26 13:05:39 * haj shot a canon when he was 16.. ;) Jul 26 13:05:40 without parental supervision. Jul 26 13:06:05 it was a small one though Jul 26 13:06:10 tybollt: you might be able to get a good kona kula in nice shape for 600-700 eur (second hand) Jul 26 13:06:10 homemade Jul 26 13:06:21 o/ Jul 26 13:06:48 How can I remove the RD mode without using the USB cable? :p Jul 26 13:06:50 PolarFox: actually what pisses me of most is that it's even illegal for kids to have a slingshot... thats just plain stupid Jul 26 13:07:19 last I checked, minors can't legally own anything anyway… ;) Jul 26 13:07:20 PolarFox, here you don't need a permit. :P Jul 26 13:07:25 cauz the usb port broke off :p Jul 26 13:07:30 tybollt: or go for the saracen pylon 8, I saw it a couple of times (new) on ebay for 400 quid Jul 26 13:07:45 luke-jr, shades of gray. Jul 26 13:08:01 GAN900: It's funny that way.. ;) Jul 26 13:08:08 HtheB, R&D mode status is stored in cal afaik, jacekowski might know Jul 26 13:08:51 tybollt: if you get it, change the tyres and rims (tyres that come with it are road/very heavy and shitty) and rims aren't brilliant either Jul 26 13:08:53 I plan to teach my kids rifle shooting at age 10 Jul 26 13:08:55 And, no, MohammadAG, we only extend invitation to people with cool nicks. :P Jul 26 13:09:11 bastards Jul 26 13:09:30 lol, disconnected Jul 26 13:10:04 luke-jr, good plan, just make sure you start with a .22. *g* Jul 26 13:10:08 tybollt: then you can throw in a rockshox reba for about 300 quid, amazing fork (take the race version if you can) Jul 26 13:10:16 GAN900: ofc Jul 26 13:10:19 Anybody see the Engadget post on MeeGo today? Jul 26 13:10:23 GAN900: you Jul 26 13:10:47 seen the title, cba to read it Jul 26 13:11:18 GAN900: they'll also be learning Public Speaking, Trapping, Firearm Maintenance, Archery, Algebra, and Photography :P Jul 26 13:11:22 (at least) Jul 26 13:12:02 tybollt: that's my normal bike. I just fitted new rims (with power hub in front), new tyres, new seat, new pedals, new seatpost, changed the fingerbuzzers, cut the gear lever so that I could reverse right brake lever and gears, and that was it. Jul 26 13:12:58 tybollt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/tags/bike/ Jul 26 13:13:13 though, the orange colour is really a "STEAL ME" factor. Jul 26 13:13:17 * DocScrutinizer watches foolish Denmark people eat their steaks with a spoon Jul 26 13:13:29 anyway, gotta run. Jul 26 13:13:29 DocScrutinizer: lol what? Jul 26 13:15:24 luke-jr: >>[2010-07-26 15:00:27] PolarFox: Because of stupid people making laws it has recently been outlawed walking on the street with a knife in your pocket...<< Jul 26 13:15:41 ah Jul 26 13:15:47 any knife at all? O.o Jul 26 13:16:11 I've literally had to do that for my own protection before actually Jul 26 13:16:48 some nut was using my open WiFi, and I gave him some rules if he didn't want me cutting him off… he basically threatened me Jul 26 13:17:16 * DocScrutinizer heard in Italy you get arrested for carrying a screwdriver with you Jul 26 13:17:23 grrr, X crashed on my PC Jul 26 13:17:30 DocScrutinizer, Jul 26 13:17:30 Do you know how I can remove the R&D mode without using the USB cable? :p Jul 26 13:17:39 ask jacekowski Jul 26 13:17:49 DocScrutinizer: but….. but…… Jul 26 13:17:50 i know Jul 26 13:18:04 HtheB: I'm curious how you charge without using the USB cable Jul 26 13:18:36 luke-jr, connect the pins to a car battery Jul 26 13:18:45 HtheB: to answer your question though, there should be some cal-tool or something on the tablet itself Jul 26 13:18:49 and I know that I don't know, but it's hard for sure, as there seems no standard tool for disabling R&D from userland Jul 26 13:19:17 MohammadAG51: Hehe - The mental picture of a dude carrying a car battery with him as a charger for his phone.... Jul 26 13:19:19 ah, N900 cal-tool only reads Jul 26 13:19:49 >.< Jul 26 13:20:12 luke-jr: yep Jul 26 13:20:27 hmm Jul 26 13:20:32 so you want to disable rd-mode Jul 26 13:20:34 I guess that's on purpose Jul 26 13:20:34 yeah :) Jul 26 13:20:43 my usb broke off :p Jul 26 13:20:56 aaaaah Jul 26 13:21:01 Once you had the red pill - there is no going back... Jul 26 13:21:09 HtheB: maybe get it fixed then? Jul 26 13:21:20 HtheB: they will know that you had r&d mode enabled Jul 26 13:21:24 DocScrutinizer, I want to send it back, :) Jul 26 13:21:28 hmm Jul 26 13:21:34 HtheB: cal keeps that sort of info anyways Jul 26 13:21:35 are there any negative effects of R&D mode on N900? Jul 26 13:21:40 I think someone developed a tools/script/something or rather that allowed writing to the appropriate space that cal-tool reads. Not recommended though Jul 26 13:21:46 luke-jr, flashing keyboard lights? Jul 26 13:21:48 luke-jr: power drain Jul 26 13:21:54 luke-jr: keyboard is constantly lit Jul 26 13:21:59 HtheB: hehe and now you're worried they'd otice your overclocking? Jul 26 13:21:59 even when closed Jul 26 13:22:06 it's ok, just if it s not able to see while booting Jul 26 13:22:14 unless you change the config file Jul 26 13:22:58 jacekowski, how can I do this? :) Jul 26 13:23:25 jacekowski: I thought kbd has blinking mode when in R&D - that's hardly called lit, and it shouldn't be constantly on either Jul 26 13:23:48 jacekowski: aha, I thought my lighting was weird XD Jul 26 13:23:49 DocScrutinizer, it stays on all the time, unless you change some file in /etc Jul 26 13:24:08 now that's weird Jul 26 13:24:46 I'd really like to learn more about that particular file Jul 26 13:24:59 pointers? Jul 26 13:25:09 /etc/pmconfig Jul 26 13:27:37 X-Fade, ping? Jul 26 13:27:47 :) Jul 26 13:28:38 hmm Jul 26 13:28:39 morning Jul 26 13:28:52 anyone around here using browser switchboard? Jul 26 13:29:15 I played around w/ changing to firefox - no go - so switched back to microb Jul 26 13:29:34 after that microb had an average startup time of between 3 and 4 minutes Jul 26 13:29:45 (not a joke!) Jul 26 13:30:29 tybollt, haha, nice one Jul 26 13:30:35 any other jokes? Jul 26 13:33:18 * tybollt beats mohammad silly w/ frals Jul 26 13:33:21 :-) Jul 26 13:34:07 MohammadAG51: I don't suppose you're the maintainer of that pkg? Jul 26 13:34:28 frals_armel.deb? nah Jul 26 13:34:34 ;-.) Jul 26 13:34:55 tybollt: that fast? Jul 26 13:34:58 * MohammadAG51 purges frals Jul 26 13:35:24 oh the switchboard, no :P Jul 26 13:35:43 btw uinstalling switchboard gets microb responsetime back to w/in the second Jul 26 13:35:50 really confusing... :S Jul 26 13:36:14 how'd you make a userland app that'd introduce a delay like that? Jul 26 13:36:17 * DocScrutinizer suspects microb preload gets messed up Jul 26 13:36:27 most probably Jul 26 13:36:54 tybollt: the real question is, can you make a userland app with a negative delay, so everything can be launched in less time? Jul 26 13:37:07 DocScrutinizer: like it is not able to take advantage of it and so has to start it up from scratch every time using the switchboard? Jul 26 13:37:27 that's what I guess, yeah Jul 26 13:37:37 fair enough, that'd make sense yes Jul 26 13:39:34 kerio: Not sure - let's spend 2000+ manhours devising such a project! We'll start off by investigating how we can more efficiently divide by zero! Jul 26 13:39:58 * DocScrutinizer wonders how other apps relying on mircrob will perform in that situation. Break completely? also take 4 min? or just ignore the switchboard and act as usual? Jul 26 13:40:45 kerio: that's called preloading Jul 26 13:40:52 DocScrutinizer: Fwiw starting microb out of the you know - regular applist (top left corner and then the list) is instantaneous Jul 26 13:41:12 DocScrutinizer: it only seems to be the bookie widgets ona desktop Jul 26 13:41:39 hmhmhm Jul 26 13:42:35 what's with d-bus calls to microb? Jul 26 13:42:36 really no other swtichboard users around here Jul 26 13:42:38 ? Jul 26 13:42:55 no Jul 26 13:42:56 DocScrutinizer: what'd use that? sms-app, huh? Jul 26 13:43:20 I heard messaging is one of those, yeah Jul 26 13:43:29 what launches the preloaded apps? Jul 26 13:43:30 timeless should know Jul 26 13:43:38 * timeless_mbp looks up Jul 26 13:43:44 MohammadAG51: hildon desktop i believe Jul 26 13:44:04 timeless_mbp: what is relying on microb as support ? Jul 26 13:44:09 which apps? Jul 26 13:44:18 tutorial, maps, conversations Jul 26 13:44:23 * timeless_mbp ponders Jul 26 13:44:31 i might be missing one or two Jul 26 13:44:33 hmm, interesting, wanted to make the clock app reload, it had the line commented out Jul 26 13:44:41 X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=500 Jul 26 13:44:43 no worries, we got 3 now Jul 26 13:44:50 X-Maemo-Prestarted=never Jul 26 13:44:56 Stskeeps, ty Jul 26 13:45:38 timeless_mbp: did you try the switchboard? Jul 26 13:46:02 tybollt: using the browser-ui as a sample process is a bad idea Jul 26 13:46:21 since it has a bookmarks view designed to hide browser engine launch speed Jul 26 13:46:37 and no, i'm not insane Jul 26 13:46:58 why would i install an app that's known to break the product i work on? Jul 26 13:47:45 tybollt: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"google.com" Jul 26 13:47:50 if only there was a way to keep the engine running Jul 26 13:48:13 more gas Jul 26 13:48:37 benders last words before falling into his 30th drink Jul 26 13:49:13 it's valid but if you kill browser Jul 26 13:49:49 timeless_mbp: see. that's what I was fishing for "know to break"... you could've told me that right away ;) Jul 26 13:50:03 i'm pretty sure there's a bug which says that Jul 26 13:50:23 and i'm pretty sure i've mentioned it repeatedly here Jul 26 13:50:41 I'm pretty sure you just said I'm not paying attention :) Jul 26 13:50:52 fair enough, I've installed it now. Jul 26 13:50:54 uninstalled. Jul 26 13:52:32 is it possible to add fields to the contacts profile? Jul 26 13:52:45 salman_: no :-( Jul 26 13:53:04 pretty mean Jul 26 13:53:18 s/mean/harsh/ ? Jul 26 13:53:23 yep Jul 26 13:54:05 possible to get N900 to differentiate between "Missed call" and "picked up on another line"? Jul 26 13:54:10 well Jul 26 13:54:17 I convinced my friend to get the N900 Jul 26 13:54:18 though mean is more the word I felt is right for it Jul 26 13:54:20 luke-jr: i don't think so Jul 26 13:54:24 "It can do anything - it's Linux" Jul 26 13:54:34 So I've read about the N900 charger plug having too tight a hold on the micro-usb socket - is this also the case with the data cable? Jul 26 13:54:47 now he's totally on my case about it not doing ringsignal per user out of the box, sigh :) Jul 26 13:54:59 means as in stingy Jul 26 13:55:03 tybollt: if you're going to convince someone, use the truth Jul 26 13:55:06 docscrutinizer , no fields, no groups, no specific tone per contact/group, I think it is time to do a full contacts replacement, something like 'the killer contacts application' :-) Jul 26 13:55:08 "mean" as in stingy Jul 26 13:55:24 salman_: ack Jul 26 13:55:25 luke-jr: Awww :-) Jul 26 13:55:33 There is a ringtone per contact plugin for contacts. Jul 26 13:55:42 tybollt: just think of the potential disappointment when he finds out he *can't* do anything Jul 26 13:55:44 X-Fade: true, I know that Jul 26 13:56:05 luke-jr: :) It can actually do a darn lot Jul 26 13:56:16 X-Fade: name? Jul 26 13:56:20 tybollt: but not anything by far Jul 26 13:56:34 tybollt: there are a lot of things it *could* do, but *can't* because it's closed Jul 26 13:56:43 It's CAPABLE of doing nearly anything Jul 26 13:56:51 ja, gan++ Jul 26 13:56:52 It's just a function of effort invested. Jul 26 13:56:56 like that 'differentiate between "Missed call" and "picked up on another line"' I just mentioned Jul 26 13:56:58 DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/packages/view/per-contact-ringtones/ Jul 26 13:57:27 GAN900: well, maybe you could rewrite the entire software stack, except for missing specs etc Jul 26 13:57:31 X-Fade: I tried installing it - was a big and fairly bloated widget... :-/ Jul 26 13:57:55 tybollt: Well the source is there ;) Jul 26 13:58:09 lugkhast: forget that. Do NOT mechanically modify any USB plugs etc. It works ok, just needs ~500...1000 rounds to settle Jul 26 13:58:09 X-Fade: only bits and pieces Jul 26 13:58:21 X-Fade: thanks Jul 26 13:58:33 Anyway, a 20K package big an bloated? :) Jul 26 13:58:47 X-Fade: I'm sure I'd spend time hacking on an app _I_ don't want ;) Jul 26 13:58:48 X-Fade: not by Maemo standards Jul 26 13:59:56 DocScrutinizer: Thanks! Jul 26 14:01:37 are all the 'communications' between the contact application and the different subsystem documented in the form of api/dbus calls? Jul 26 14:01:42 how do I install unzip on the n900? Jul 26 14:02:05 apt-get install unzip ? Jul 26 14:02:16 mw22: xterm ; sudo gainroot ; apt-get install Jul 26 14:03:47 Why don't we have: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide Jul 26 14:04:02 :( Jul 26 14:04:04 second guy who asks.. Jul 26 14:04:13 Stskeeps: ? Jul 26 14:04:47 alterego: why haven't you ported it? :) Jul 26 14:04:53 tybollt, thanks, it seems to work now (it didn't seem to work the first time) Jul 26 14:05:01 It's designed by TI for the OMAP35 :) Jul 26 14:05:07 Porting it shouldn't be required :P Jul 26 14:05:31 I'll give it a go :) Jul 26 14:05:47 salman_: osso-abook doesn't have a d-bus api :-S Jul 26 14:06:28 any nitdroid users around here`? Jul 26 14:06:43 salman_: libosso-abook Jul 26 14:08:04 sudo gainroot is for losers Jul 26 14:08:11 it's called root Jul 26 14:08:48 docscrutinizer, so, if 'someone' designed a replacement address book application, with all the nice features like extra fields, groups, ring tune /contact/group, better search ...etc , how difficult it is to 'integrate' it with the rest of the system? Jul 26 14:08:50 I just installed sshd and configured sudo from there Jul 26 14:08:52 :p Jul 26 14:09:06 DocScrutinizer: Does this look better for you? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.1/ Jul 26 14:09:10 salman_: depends Jul 26 14:09:33 docscrutinizer, ? Jul 26 14:09:47 maybe you can augment the berkley database table format, and libosso-abook would happily ignore the extra fields Jul 26 14:10:16 DocScrutinizer: it will probably fail miserably Jul 26 14:10:32 otoh to make the contacts UI app aware of extra fields means you have to rewrite it, as it's closed source Jul 26 14:11:10 did zoutube get dumped? Jul 26 14:11:21 docscrutinizer, I was talking about integrating a 'new' replacement address book application with the rest of N900 system, it could even use its own db, maybe sqllite Jul 26 14:11:35 jacekowski: I tought about abusing the 'comment' field for "X-My-Tag-ringtone: doodlidoo.wav" Jul 26 14:12:50 salman_: there's a friggin lot of apps relying on original libosso-abook. You'd have to replace that with a API/ABI-compatible version using your new database Jul 26 14:13:11 yay line breaks fixed in the package instance pages Jul 26 14:13:12 ty X-Fade Jul 26 14:13:23 hi guys Jul 26 14:13:40 have you voted in the first N900 coding competition yet? Jul 26 14:14:08 Hrm, I can build it, but it requires the TI graphics SDK Jul 26 14:14:13 MohammadAG51: yes, but still not escaped to <foo> Jul 26 14:14:17 So I can't put it into extras .. Jul 26 14:14:27 Unless I distribute it as a binary I guess. Jul 26 14:14:44 Venemo, coding competition? Jul 26 14:15:01 Venemo: I looked, but didn't recognize almost any of the apps listd Jul 26 14:15:01 tripzero: yes. Jul 26 14:15:16 luke-jr: well, in this case, I can help Jul 26 14:15:35 luke-jr: Sticky Notes desperately needs your vote! Jul 26 14:15:43 haha Jul 26 14:15:51 what's wrong with the offical note app? Jul 26 14:15:56 tripzero: here are the details: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53112 Jul 26 14:16:08 luke-jr: the official note app is not a desktop widget Jul 26 14:16:12 DocScrutinizer: Hmm need to look at that part too. Jul 26 14:16:30 Venemo: I see. Doesn't seem to matter to me Jul 26 14:16:40 docscrutinizer, and those API/ABI are not documented/available? Jul 26 14:16:48 luke-jr: Sticky Notes allows you to create multiple notes widgets on your desktop Jul 26 14:17:02 in fact, I find that like my normal PC, I ignore the desktop entirely Jul 26 14:18:14 luke-jr: if this is the case, then you don't really care what you vote on, don't you? Jul 26 14:18:33 Venemo: I care about poll integrity, sorry ☺ Jul 26 14:18:44 luke-jr: Sticky Notes will be grateful even if you don't use the desktop :P Jul 26 14:19:29 luke-jr: well, it seems that the authors of the other apps don't care about poll integrity as much as you Jul 26 14:21:36 DocScrutinizer: why? Jul 26 14:22:01 DocScrutinizer: what are you trying to achieve? Jul 26 14:34:45 i hate how the N900 uses a software switch for the headset Jul 26 14:35:10 How does the end user see that? Jul 26 14:35:26 MohammadAG51: laptops use software switches, too Jul 26 14:35:44 mine uses a hardware switch Jul 26 14:36:11 MiXu-, my headset is kinda borked, the N900 detects it was plugged but doesn't route audio Jul 26 14:36:28 [ 7233.611694] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected Jul 26 14:36:30 MohammadAG51: the gods want you to use BT A2DP Jul 26 14:36:33 MohammadAG51: it's awesome instead Jul 26 14:36:44 you have two audio outputs Jul 26 14:36:56 btw you auiophiles out there.. is cabled audio better than A2DP? Jul 26 14:37:08 tybollt, Nokia says the headsets are too expensive to buy, so they don't have them here in Jordan Jul 26 14:37:12 retarded, I know Jul 26 14:37:28 MohammadAG51: I see Jul 26 14:37:50 tybollt, i think a2dp is just fine Jul 26 14:37:55 MohammadAG51: I bought this silly usb dongle for missus and then she connects the headphones to the dongle... Jul 26 14:37:55 tybollt: i'd say it depends on the quality of the headset? Jul 26 14:38:05 tybollt: depends on DAC in headset Jul 26 14:38:06 however, it's hard to find a headset that doesn't have noise issues with bt Jul 26 14:38:28 tybollt: but most of them have cheap dac and badly designed circuit Jul 26 14:38:32 kerio / jacek: Say top notch A2DP gear... ? Jul 26 14:38:56 What I'm getting is is the compression of the audio lossfull to an extent where human ear can tell? Jul 26 14:39:11 ok, a2dp allowas quality that's same as directly from phone Jul 26 14:39:12 it depends on the relative quality of the d2a converters, i guess Jul 26 14:39:27 but even top notch ones are poorly designed Jul 26 14:39:42 until they find a way to turn the digital audio in electric pulses ready for interpretation in the brain Jul 26 14:40:10 replace the human brain with something more... useful Jul 26 14:40:15 kerio: ;P Jul 26 14:43:35 MohammadAG51: this the one you want Jul 26 14:43:36 http://www.jabra.com/sites/jabra/na-us/headsets/pages/jabrabt3030.aspx Jul 26 14:43:57 MohammadAG51: skip the hoodie or mossad will get interested ;) Jul 26 14:49:50 So, I have live images streaming from the N900 camera to an OpengL primitive now :) Jul 26 14:50:07 Just need to do the colour space conversion .. Jul 26 14:56:14 jacekowski: trying to integrate per contact settings of all kinds into existing framework Jul 26 14:58:29 of *ALL* kinds - like ringtone, reject-call-between-5:00-and-07:00, use-sip-for-dialing, whatnot Jul 26 14:58:36 goups Jul 26 14:59:25 create additional DB Jul 26 14:59:27 and link them Jul 26 14:59:38 that's what RDBMS is for Jul 26 15:00:15 nonsense, RDBMS is about additional TABLES in ONE database Jul 26 15:00:39 no Jul 26 15:00:47 not only in one database Jul 26 15:00:59 other databases can reference to data in other databases Jul 26 15:01:18 depends on the particular DBMS Jul 26 15:01:55 obviously for berkley that's no inherent property of the DBMS Jul 26 15:02:06 yep Jul 26 15:02:15 are you sure it's BDB? Jul 26 15:02:23 i was thinking it was using sqlite Jul 26 15:02:24 you had to simulate by external process linking separate db Jul 26 15:03:18 people that *should* know say t's berkley Jul 26 15:03:33 well Jul 26 15:03:37 call log Jul 26 15:03:39 is in sqlite Jul 26 15:03:45 i'm not sure about contacts Jul 26 15:03:52 i never touched that part Jul 26 15:04:08 but i would expect it to be the same Jul 26 15:04:22 but we saw lot of bad coding already Jul 26 15:04:42 DocScrutinizer: btw. have you seen that part about uart boot on n900 Jul 26 15:04:52 DocScrutinizer: that it only boots from uart3 Jul 26 15:05:24 X-Fade: MUCH better :-D Jul 26 15:06:07 jacekowski: nope, no idea what u r talking about Jul 26 15:06:10 DocScrutinizer: html escaping should be in place now too. Jul 26 15:06:48 that if omap would be configured to boot from uart3 Jul 26 15:06:51 uart* Jul 26 15:06:56 it would only boot from uart3 Jul 26 15:09:06 X-Fade: think you can close bug #10987 Jul 26 15:09:07 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel * rendering issue Jul 26 15:10:35 jacekowski: yep, that's what I mentioned above. So probably one of the testpads when pulled to GND will switch the config to enable that Jul 26 15:13:59 X-Fade, ping? Jul 26 15:16:23 hi. i have problems with maemo opengles 2.0. i'm rendering a quad at the top right corner of the screen, like this: http://kirah.fi/~apaksi/p/gles/2010-07-26-175507.jpg it looks like that if i use the vertex attribute number 0 Jul 26 15:16:38 however, if i switch to vertex attribute number 3, it starts looking like this: http://kirah.fi/~apaksi/p/gles/2010-07-26-175820.jpg Jul 26 15:17:01 if i use attribute number 1, it looks like this: http://kirah.fi/~apaksi/p/gles/2010-07-26-180312.jpg so only the y coordinate is working and the x coordinate is not Jul 26 15:17:16 would you have any idea why it's doing that? Jul 26 15:18:31 [2010-07-26 14:32:06] File: .osso-abook/db Jul 26 15:18:33 [2010-07-26 14:32:07] Format: berkley database Jul 26 15:18:34 [2010-07-26 14:32:07] Contents: address book vcard data. Jul 26 15:38:03 PolarFox: "Where is my LCARS theme for N900? Why I has none?" ... i suspect this is the closest you'll get on the n900, at least for now. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58667 Jul 26 15:38:14 there's a sounds package also :D Jul 26 15:38:35 DocScrutinizer: thing is that all pins that configure boot sequence are gpio pins as well Jul 26 15:38:38 ian_r: saw the various docs on meego theming yet btw? looks quite flexible Jul 26 15:39:06 jacekowski: so what? Jul 26 15:39:20 you can easily test which pad is it Jul 26 15:39:22 jacekowski: aiui they are latched on chip-reset Jul 26 15:39:38 stskeeps: haven't really checked it out yet. Jul 26 15:39:51 DocScrutinizer: only on power-on-reset Jul 26 15:39:57 and you can modify them afterwards Jul 26 15:40:02 in one of control registers Jul 26 15:40:07 and restart chi Jul 26 15:40:09 chip* Jul 26 15:41:04 jacekowski: OMAP 35x Tech Ref manual D: chapter 11.x.x.x.x Jul 26 15:41:50 memory subsystem? Jul 26 15:42:36 11.1.5.13 boot config, 11.1.3.3.2 GPMC CS0 Default Configuration at IC Reset. Jul 26 15:43:27 and +- a "few dozen" for context Jul 26 15:44:37 To ensure a correct external boot with a GPMC access from IC reset time on CS0, several external pins are sampled: Jul 26 15:46:08 DocScrutinizer: 25.2.3 Jul 26 15:46:15 Boot Configuration Jul 26 15:46:32 These seven pins are sampled and latched onto the CONTROL.CONTROL_STATUS register after POR. Jul 26 15:46:51 POR - power on reset Jul 26 15:48:00 so control_status can be modified and then phone can be restarted via software Jul 26 15:48:57 mhm, just came back with same in my copybuffer :-P Jul 26 15:49:08 shall I paste as well ? :-D Jul 26 15:50:04 yeah, don't be shy Jul 26 15:51:17 it's useless for flashing dead device Jul 26 15:52:27 hello Jul 26 15:52:32 I don't see the modifying bootconfig method by using the GPIO properties though Jul 26 15:53:27 but if you can toggle level on that pin on demand Jul 26 15:53:36 then you can easily find which pads are these pins connected to Jul 26 15:53:58 avahi on my n900 sort-of works, I can ping it from my pc, see the chat service, but I can't ping computers in .local domain from n900, any idea where's the problem? Jul 26 15:55:05 hmm, do you think that "I still have not received any e-mail from you, if you have any problems sending it to blah@blah.org you can try jacek.blah@xxx.xxx as well." Jul 26 15:55:08 is rude? Jul 26 15:55:44 jacekowski: yeah, that's brilliant. And so obvious I conclude my caffeine level is dangerously low :-) Jul 26 15:56:23 5523? Jul 26 15:56:33 42 Jul 26 15:56:35 5523? Jul 26 15:56:46 LP5523 ds Jul 26 15:56:57 they are ignornig me Jul 26 15:57:04 ignoring* Jul 26 15:57:22 that's why I ask if your Q was regarding that topic Jul 26 15:58:02 no Jul 26 15:58:09 something else Jul 26 15:58:24 so I don't know if it's conceived as rude Jul 26 16:02:06 figured out altitude! Jul 26 16:02:15 wohooo Jul 26 16:02:37 I had altitude of -900 once :-P Jul 26 16:02:41 can now decode all GPS data… Jul 26 16:02:47 eh, haven't tested negative altitudes :P Jul 26 16:03:02 hehe Jul 26 16:03:07 * luke-jr releases GPL'd GPS decoder that only supports Tonal units… Jul 26 16:03:09 * luke-jr runs Jul 26 16:03:25 ~attack luke-jr Jul 26 16:03:26 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing luke-jr Jul 26 16:04:06 seriously though, this altitude encoding is "WTF" Jul 26 16:04:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering#Packet_Analysis Jul 26 16:04:26 tell me, do you understand it even WITH my documentation? :p Jul 26 16:05:09 anyone else having glitchy network access with the current version? like i have to tell it to get on the provider alot ?alot Jul 26 16:06:14 DangerMaus: yeah, but my provider doesn't support my region… Jul 26 16:06:19 I kinda assumed that was it Jul 26 16:06:22 lol Jul 26 16:07:46 luke-jr it snags wifi great but then dont switch back too well Jul 26 16:08:39 now the only things my GPS decoder is missing: "what data is valid" and sats Jul 26 16:09:18 luke-jr: your notes on altitude seem rather clear though WTF. What's complete gibberish though, is the >> latitude / 360 * 256*256*256(*256?)<< Jul 26 16:11:07 luke-jr: and AGPS data upload, of course (my GPS decoder is missing) Jul 26 16:17:22 is somebody planning to write a better location-daemon? Jul 26 16:19:52 flux, for maemo? Jul 26 16:20:20 cuz there are already several location-daemons that exist (ie gpsd, gypsy) Jul 26 16:20:47 just don't work on the n900 cuz of the gps hardware Jul 26 16:21:08 tripzero, I was just wondering the effort on reverse-engineering the protocol location-daemon reads Jul 26 16:21:23 ahh Jul 26 16:21:41 don't know. Jul 26 16:21:55 agps will be the tricky part /me thinks Jul 26 16:34:23 DocScrutinizer: basically, I'm not certain if the last octet of latitude/longitude is further resolution or something else Jul 26 16:34:31 I have no way to even remotely verify that Jul 26 16:35:07 flux: location-daemon is proprietary; I am porting Gentoo Jul 26 16:36:16 Good evening guys Jul 26 16:36:29 luke-jr, oh.. ok. good luck :). Jul 26 16:36:32 I have managed to secure the phone I will use as 2nd phone to the N900. Jul 26 16:36:50 I got the Nokia E52.... I am thrilled, it is my first Nokia E-series phone ;-) Jul 26 16:37:19 The reason I tell is that I would like to know how to copy the N900 contacts to the SIM card? Jul 26 16:37:28 I have tried but it just does not seem to do it at all. Jul 26 16:37:38 Just copy the other way, from phone to SIM card. Jul 26 16:39:46 Can it be done, copying the Contacts to the SIM card or is it impossible?? Jul 26 16:42:19 Ah, it does not seem to work. Jul 26 16:42:37 Should I use Bluetooth on the E52 then and copy via Bluetooth or how should I copy the contacts?? Jul 26 16:42:41 All help is appreciated Jul 26 16:46:36 How does it work to import contacts via Bluetooth? Is it hard to do? Jul 26 16:48:12 from another nokia? Jul 26 16:48:32 ohw to.. Jul 26 16:48:37 you can try the import at the E52 Jul 26 16:49:30 BugBlue: that sounds like the easiest way. to import at the E52 instead. Jul 26 16:49:42 I hope that will become the easiest way. I really hate to lose any of my contacts. Jul 26 16:50:26 Now I just do not know how to get the damn battery out and put back in. Jul 26 16:50:28 Damn this! Jul 26 16:58:52 BugBlue: If I use Bluetooth to import the contacts at the E52 I can choose which contacts I want to import? Jul 26 17:08:10 tripzero: you don't have to worry about agps Jul 26 17:08:29 tripzero: it's done by modem itself Jul 26 17:08:36 tripzero: independent from operating system Jul 26 17:09:04 That can't be true. Jul 26 17:09:05 jacekowski, so it's only control-plane agps? Jul 26 17:09:15 As the modem has no access to the internet. Jul 26 17:09:24 modem has access to the interne Jul 26 17:09:26 SpeedEvil, +1 Jul 26 17:09:32 i saw the code in the modem Jul 26 17:09:33 jacekowski: does it? modem can use wifi? Jul 26 17:09:47 Or usbnet? Jul 26 17:09:54 i don't know Jul 26 17:10:06 but i saw the code for agps in modem firmware Jul 26 17:10:13 jacekowski: fact is, my GPS code takes significantly longer if I don't have the location-daemon run first Jul 26 17:10:20 even if I reboot after running location-daemon Jul 26 17:10:37 modem probably saves the AGPS data across the reboot Jul 26 17:10:44 but it *does* need the host at some point Jul 26 17:11:03 luke-jr is on duty today. Jul 26 17:11:22 slonopotamus: I got altitude figured out Jul 26 17:11:28 well, explain to me why i saw code for pulling data from nokia and couple other servers Jul 26 17:11:30 luke-jr: grats Jul 26 17:11:55 jacekowski: maybe it does that over a private "owner has no data service, but there's this OOB data line anyway" in some circumstances? Jul 26 17:13:38 http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps updated Jul 26 17:13:43 along with the .c Jul 26 17:14:37 luke-jr: if you used autotools there, i hate you. Jul 26 17:14:56 slonopotamus: ? Jul 26 17:15:03 I used gcc gps.c -o gps -O2 Jul 26 17:15:04 luke-jr: well it has carrier specific addresses as well Jul 26 17:15:27 slonopotamus: also, what else? Jul 26 17:15:31 but it doesn't look like it Jul 26 17:15:36 i mean it's complete agps code Jul 26 17:15:36 autotools works ok Jul 26 17:15:49 including pulling data from server + parsing it Jul 26 17:15:54 jacekowski: do you actually have source? O.o Jul 26 17:16:19 no Jul 26 17:17:58 but unless there is something in one of the libs Jul 26 17:18:10 there is nothing agps related in location-daemon Jul 26 17:34:54 Is "mdk" a maemo user? Jul 26 17:35:04 I don't know if that's his alias here though Jul 26 17:35:21 alterego: maemo developer - he used to work at Nokia and is a subcontractor now I think Jul 26 17:35:32 lo Robot101 Jul 26 17:35:36 UI toolkit & graphics stuff Jul 26 17:35:41 DocScrutinizer: ahoy Jul 26 17:35:47 jacekowski, it could be the "ofono" equal that gets the "a" data from the servers and than pushes it through the location-daemon to the gps device Jul 26 17:35:50 just looking into ringtone-per-caller Jul 26 17:35:52 Robot101: I guess that figures :) Jul 26 17:36:41 DrGrov: no.. you can just import everything I guess Jul 26 17:37:03 DocScrutinizer: barisione is at GUADEC this week with all of the GStreamer and Pulseaudio hackers in Collabora Multimedia :D Jul 26 17:37:08 DocScrutinizer: he should be able to make it faster Jul 26 17:37:35 Robot101: wondering if the whole framework could use a few patches to make it more... universal? Jul 26 17:37:35 BugBlue: Ok, I managed to get the information that the SIM card actually has the same information with phone numbers as the internal contacts. So it is all good. Jul 26 17:38:40 Robot101: like inheriting ringtone settings for contact by a reference to a group Jul 26 17:38:58 hi DocScrutinizer Jul 26 17:39:03 hi Jul 26 17:39:17 DocScrutinizer: I have to tell you that I got another similar adapter as the N900 now when I bought the E52 Jul 26 17:39:20 So I have 2 adapters Jul 26 17:39:27 DocScrutinizer: there's no group UI for the abook - it could be kludged in (jesus the guys have been coming up with some mad stuff - libsharing plugin which monkey-patches Gtk to add a button that bypasses the libsharing API because it's bonghits) Jul 26 17:39:37 DocScrutinizer: but that's the first problem :D Jul 26 17:39:57 Robot101: or even generic "execute that program, with parameters ..." Jul 26 17:41:03 Damn I must be an idiot Jul 26 17:41:12 I do not understand how to remove the battery on the E52 Jul 26 17:42:15 Robot101: (faster) there were complaints? Jul 26 17:42:53 God damn idiot E52 Jul 26 17:42:53 DocScrutinizer: yeah, read the comments on his blog posts. lots of whining. it's too slow to set up the GStreamer pipeline and DSP decoders when the call comes through Jul 26 17:43:06 It really can not be this damn difficult to remove a freaking battery Jul 26 17:43:11 Robot101: just installed the app 10min ago, and added my first custom ringtone. No further tests so far Jul 26 17:43:21 DocScrutinizer: so the plan was to pre-convert them all to the same format like the built in ringtoned does, and pre-set up the GStreamer pipeline Jul 26 17:43:22 I'm unaware of the blog Jul 26 17:43:49 Robot101: we had same problem on Openmoko Jul 26 17:44:21 DocScrutinizer: http://blog.barisione.org/ Jul 26 17:44:27 thnx Jul 26 17:44:35 he even blogged to explain why it wasn't in the production images Jul 26 17:44:37 got flamed Jul 26 17:44:41 then blogged with the software Jul 26 17:44:50 linking to the previous Jul 26 17:45:00 and got flamed again saying it was slow and he sucked etc Jul 26 17:45:05 makes me wonder why we bother sometimes Jul 26 17:45:16 it's sometimes easier to be behind the wall Jul 26 17:45:17 :P Jul 26 17:48:00 well, 1) "it TRIES to integrate nicely" is about right :-P. Fsckng contacts app of course doesn't know how to show the custon ringtone property of a contact. Suggestion: superimpose some marker to avatar Jul 26 17:48:55 Robot101: I guess that figures :) Jul 26 17:49:09 Robot101: 2) how about making default ringtone in .locals/sounds/ a pipe and fill it with a process that just switches (or even generates) data on the fly? Jul 26 17:50:06 this way you'd be rid of setting up any gstreamer at all Jul 26 17:51:02 (credits to dotblank[?] for the original idea) Jul 26 17:51:47 Robot101, price of open. Jul 26 17:55:25 God damn battery Jul 26 17:55:26 =( Jul 26 17:55:34 damn usb port Jul 26 17:55:34 This will take the whole freaking day to remove Jul 26 17:58:05 Any one got any suggestions on how to remove the battery on the E52? Jul 26 18:00:16 So... how do I take pictures with fcamera? :D Jul 26 18:01:45 nvm :D Jul 26 18:02:32 DocScrutinizer: you know how to remove such a PITA battery? Jul 26 18:03:09 Robot101: on a different consideration (while reading the blog): of course it's not possible to keep 500 rintones on NAND aka rootfs in .local/sounds/*.wav, to have then ready for playback quickly. but you might keep the first maybe 2s of all ringtones there, maybe even in reduced quality. Then playback that header sniplet while collecting the large chunks off slow eMMC / whatever. If you run out of decent data due to lagginess of mem Jul 26 18:03:10 access, fall back to default ringtone. All ntegrates nicely with the fifo/pipe idea Jul 26 18:03:41 DrGrov: dropping device from 120cm to wooden floor always helped for me :-P Jul 26 18:04:01 DrGrov: more seriously, I have no idea bout Exx phones Jul 26 18:04:04 DocScrutinizer: ah yes, it helps :) Jul 26 18:05:11 http://gizmodo.com/5596508/laser-light-show-vs-dslr-sensor Jul 26 18:05:19 Ehhhh Jul 26 18:05:41 I am getting increasingly annoyed about this freaking damn phone Jul 26 18:08:53 RST38h: lol :-( Jul 26 18:23:06 The US government on Monday announced new rules making it officially legal for iPhone owners to 'jailbreak' their device and run unauthorized third-party applications, as well as the ability to unlock any cell phone for use on multiple carriers. Jul 26 18:23:27 Am I correct to assume that AT&T's exclusive agreement with Apple has just ended? =) Jul 26 18:24:03 Can anyone help me with the battery issue? Jul 26 18:24:08 I am completely freaking lost Jul 26 18:27:36 DrGrov, tap it on your palm? Jul 26 18:28:00 GAN900: I have tried several times, it seems to be a problem to get it out. Seems too tight or something. Jul 26 18:31:49 HAHAHAHA! Jul 26 18:32:05 It is fixed, god damn fucking piece of major fucking engineering by Nokia! Jul 26 18:33:22 fucking flashing broke my n900 Jul 26 18:33:26 got black screen now Jul 26 18:33:34 had to send it back to the goddamn service Jul 26 18:33:41 What's with all the f*cking swearing? Jul 26 18:33:53 RST38h: why wouldn't it be legal? Jul 26 18:34:20 If this fucking device makes me any more angry I will destory it with the closest thing I have Jul 26 18:34:35 …… Jul 26 18:34:39 do it Jul 26 18:34:39 please Jul 26 18:34:41 could just mail it to someone else Jul 26 18:34:56 lol i had some memory card problem with it first and it kept restarting Jul 26 18:35:03 i was thinking on destroying it too Jul 26 18:35:13 throwing it out from my 5story flat Jul 26 18:35:15 luke-jr: Because a bunch of narrow minded fat gentlemen at the US Congress say so Jul 26 18:35:26 RST38h: when? Jul 26 18:35:40 luke-jr: IANAL. Google. Jul 26 18:35:52 I thought that was all just "you'll piss off the carrier" Jul 26 18:36:04 No, unfortunately. Jul 26 18:36:09 See "DMCA". Jul 26 18:36:19 microlith: you want me to destroy it? Jul 26 18:37:52 RST38h: DMCA is about copyright, totally different issue Jul 26 18:38:26 copytight what we dont care about Jul 26 18:38:35 us lead by a stupid nigger now thats a fail Jul 26 18:39:00 Now the question is this SIM card holder... Jul 26 18:39:06 How on earth do I get that one opened? Jul 26 18:39:23 wtf is location error 4 and why won't my GPS work? :/ Jul 26 18:39:25 * RST38h shrugs: some people just can't see deeper than skin color Jul 26 18:39:38 DrGrov: slide it Jul 26 18:39:45 DrGrov: Shift it with your finger Jul 26 18:39:48 It will then open. Jul 26 18:39:50 luke-jr: ok. Jul 26 18:39:52 I will try Jul 26 18:39:59 If it falls apart, do not go bonkers, reattach carefully Jul 26 18:40:00 Sorry guys, I am completely fucking lost today Jul 26 18:40:03 be careful, it comes off easily :P Jul 26 18:40:39 No, does not work Jul 26 18:42:42 ok, location error 4 = cannot run location-daemon Jul 26 18:42:43 ☺ Jul 26 18:43:53 what's that? a cloud? Jul 26 18:44:28 rain is coming Jul 26 18:46:10 Robot101: I'd have some comments to almost every of the posts on barisione's blog. But it seems incredibly cumbersome and inappropriate to paste lines of sourcecode etc as a comment to that blog. Is there a better way to discuss technical details with barisione? Jul 26 18:46:48 hes in here atm, who knows if he actually reads anything thou! Jul 26 18:47:07 barisione: ooh HI! :-) Jul 26 18:47:38 frals: probably not, he's at GUADEC Jul 26 18:47:51 ^^ Jul 26 18:48:01 aiui Jul 26 18:51:45 cloud Jul 26 18:52:28 I freakin wonder where from you get all those nice UTF-8 Jul 26 18:52:42 luke-jr's bored Jul 26 18:52:49 o Jul 26 18:52:52 that was a smiley ☺ Jul 26 18:52:57 ☻ Jul 26 18:53:07 I setup my client to do substitutions :P Jul 26 18:53:08 though this irc client knows to display them, I found no way to select any fancy stuff to insert Jul 26 18:53:23 ♩♪♫♬ Jul 26 18:53:36 notes are fine, smiley was not Jul 26 18:53:50 ★ ⚀ ⚁ ⚂ ⚃ ⚄ ⚅ Jul 26 18:53:56 ☐ ☑ ☒ Jul 26 18:54:05 ☠ Jul 26 18:54:21 * luke-jr ponders which others he has Jul 26 18:54:49 ☧ ♱ ☩ ♂ ♀ Jul 26 18:55:01 ∀ Jul 26 18:55:11 nothing beats utf swastika :P Jul 26 18:55:25 wolf^: don't get the poor folk in Germany in trouble Jul 26 18:55:38 they're not allowed to have those on their screen Jul 26 18:55:43 microlith: what was that? I saw nothing Jul 26 18:55:59 hmm, might be a subset of the JP input mode Jul 26 18:56:04 I see only boxes for many of yours Jul 26 18:56:11 Ⓕⓞⓞ Jul 26 18:56:27 I don't even see boxes for yours Jul 26 18:56:32 maybe your client isn't configured? Jul 26 18:56:55 nah, using mIRC 7 beta, which is fully UTF8 Jul 26 18:57:02 ✈ Jul 26 18:57:03 * luke-jr wouldn't trust mIRC anything Jul 26 18:57:15 I see most of the others Jul 26 18:57:20 ok Jul 26 18:57:44 0123456789 Jul 26 19:02:57 FAT: Filesystem error (dev sdd) Jul 26 19:02:57 fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF Jul 26 19:02:58 File system has been set read-only Jul 26 19:03:03 whats the deal? Jul 26 19:03:27 I have to write to it real fast when I plug it in it sets read only after like 10 seconds Jul 26 19:04:09 that sounds like your FAT filesystem is larger than its partition Jul 26 19:04:43 luke-jr: That sounds interesting. Jul 26 19:04:54 I didnt mess with its partition Jul 26 19:12:29 mise well be a windows os... reboot fixed it... up only 3 days too :( Jul 26 19:13:08 is there the BÖC logo in utf8? Jul 26 19:16:51 has anyone ever exported their data from pyring? Jul 26 19:46:04 lbt, truck arrived yet? ;) Jul 26 19:46:26 no Jul 26 19:46:33 Denise would have told me Jul 26 19:51:15 k Jul 26 19:58:09 Hrm .. Jul 26 19:58:14 hmmm Jul 26 19:59:16 hurm Jul 26 20:02:39 hommm Jul 26 20:02:58 lbt is on duty today. Jul 26 20:08:05 anyone have a good tutorial for python+Qt for me? Jul 26 20:08:19 * ultrasparc-viii ordered a book already but it won't be here for two days Jul 26 20:11:01 there's some off the pyqt wiki Jul 26 20:11:39 http://www.diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/Tutorials <- first 2 links Jul 26 20:16:26 mortini: thanks! Jul 26 20:19:45 ultrasparc-viii: which book did you order? Jul 26 20:20:19 mortini: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Python-Prentice-Software-Development/dp/0132354187/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0 Jul 26 20:20:50 how much of a programmer are you? Jul 26 20:21:57 ultrasparc-viii: plus: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyQt_Tips_and_Tricks Jul 26 20:33:58 mortini: I do a lot of coding... have some big apps under my belt in py, perl, php Jul 26 20:34:19 ok. Jul 26 20:34:46 well, i found that book a bit annoying/boring, so just poking through the documentation and other online resources is probably a good place to start Jul 26 20:34:57 the Qt documentation at nokia is pretty good, generally Jul 26 20:38:45 ok, I'll cancel that book.. if I can get by on the documentation then that should be fine. I've never used books too much - always found the docs to be enough Jul 26 20:39:56 I'm not sure about that, i've used it here and there for some of the more complex things. some stuff is, for lack of brainpower, layered, so you need one base object with various child objects to make it work Jul 26 20:40:06 and sometimes the docs aren't entirely clear on how to make that work Jul 26 20:40:21 but,t hat's about all i've used that book for, heh. Jul 26 20:40:29 ic, hopefully the book is good then because amazon won't let me cancel the shipment ;) Jul 26 20:40:32 i much prefer reading other's source Jul 26 20:40:35 yeah Jul 26 20:41:06 is there a version of QTdesigner available for OSX? Jul 26 20:41:42 i dunno. Jul 26 20:41:49 ever use it? Jul 26 20:42:00 osx or qtdesigner? Jul 26 20:42:10 i have generally used qtdesigner to do my ui's. Jul 26 20:43:14 anyone know the app that i can use to modify the carrier's name at the top of the home screen? Jul 26 20:43:15 yeah qtdesigner Jul 26 20:43:41 ponyofdeath: there's one on the downloads page Jul 26 20:44:36 mortini: are you using qtD on win or linux? Jul 26 20:45:00 i've used it on both Jul 26 20:48:35 my laptop used tobe windows & i'd mount a smb share on a linux box with my source there. then i could easily test stuff on both windows & linux Jul 26 20:55:49 ah cool, they have a LGPL version of qtD for osx :) Jul 26 21:17:55 * peb_ is gone. Gone since Wed Jul 21 19:58:59 2010 Jul 26 21:18:18 peb_: please deactivate your script Jul 26 21:18:33 peb_: on next iteration, you will be quieted until you deactivate it Jul 26 21:20:11 peb_: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html Jul 26 21:30:17 mortini: in qtD when I make a layout and then go to Form->view code it's all in C... is there a way to get the layout in python? Wondering how I'm going to use qtD for making pyQt layouts Jul 26 21:31:58 Anybody having trouble updating the mana world on n900? Jul 26 21:33:42 Hm Jul 26 21:34:23 Is there any way other than rebooting, to get to the enter pin screen if you didn't enter pin code during the actual startup? Jul 26 21:35:32 huh... open telephone Jul 26 21:36:02 Oh Jul 26 21:36:07 Didn't think about that :p Jul 26 21:36:13 FireFly: power button, switch on telephone mode Jul 26 21:36:29 Nice Jul 26 21:38:54 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 26 21:41:45 now is Qt (say a button) implemeted as a *.so, or is it statically linked or compiled in to the ELF? Jul 26 21:57:42 does this ovimap suite predownload maps Jul 26 21:58:13 how the fuck does it come they dont have this for linux when maemo is linux Jul 26 21:59:26 cause linux users are hardcore Jul 26 21:59:42 * DocScrutinizer hands MohammadAG51 a large icecone (strawberry) for man-db-n900 Jul 26 21:59:44 we use a magnetized pin to find north Jul 26 22:00:26 * MohammadAG51 hands DocScrutinizer the beer he owes him Jul 26 22:00:37 no maps for lebanon :( Jul 26 22:01:11 or israel Jul 26 22:02:37 i was reading the forums, and noticed that they switched to new maps Jul 26 22:02:55 lebanon was previously available, but when they upgraded, it's not anymore Jul 26 22:02:56 * DocScrutinizer snatches ice away from MohammadAG51 Jul 26 22:03:00 mandb: Warnung: /opt/man/man1/locate.1.gz ist eine freihängende symbolische Verknüpfung Jul 26 22:03:07 for now, I am using AGTL Jul 26 22:03:29 dangling symlink Jul 26 22:03:39 plus 100 more Jul 26 22:03:47 DocScrutinizer, ignore the shitload of errors Jul 26 22:03:58 warnings* Jul 26 22:05:23 100? thousands! Jul 26 22:05:54 man locate -> :-) Jul 26 22:06:06 * DocScrutinizer shrugs and gives ice back to MohammadAG51 Jul 26 22:06:28 see? :D Jul 26 22:06:46 2>/dev/null ? Jul 26 22:07:05 maybe Jul 26 22:07:18 but 0=/dev/zero Jul 26 22:07:37 2>/tmp/delete_me_I_am_nonsense.log Jul 26 22:08:26 OMG OMG OMG Jul 26 22:08:37 SpeedEvil, level pack 2 & 3 in the ovi store Jul 26 22:08:43 try cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda Jul 26 22:08:45 AB? Jul 26 22:09:04 yeah Jul 26 22:09:19 2 each Jul 26 22:10:10 logix2: try cat /dev/random >/dev/wetware/neocortex Jul 26 22:10:22  Jul 26 22:11:47 wow Jul 26 22:12:04 so each level pack has 3x21 levels? Jul 26 22:12:54 I actually don't get the hype about AB. NumptyPhysix is much more fun Jul 26 22:14:05 DocScrutinizer, ever played it? Jul 26 22:14:47 * DocScrutinizer stares at blue flashing LED of N900, frowns and mumbles swearwords about stupid new "features" of xchat Jul 26 22:15:10 MohammadAG51: I tried some stages of first level. Found it rather boring Jul 26 22:15:40 mine blinks green Jul 26 22:15:40 probably I'm too different to the standard human being Jul 26 22:15:48 anyone here tried to implement the sharing dialogue api in qt? Jul 26 22:15:52 three arms? Jul 26 22:15:57 am wondering how stupidly impossible it is Jul 26 22:16:04 only 3? Jul 26 22:16:46 ... Jul 26 22:18:19 I've ***'d all stages in the first 3*21 stages. Jul 26 22:23:03 how do i use the radio chip to scan for a free frequency? Jul 26 22:27:26 heh Jul 26 22:28:10 which one? Jul 26 22:28:11 SpeedEvil, i'm continuing where i left it a month ago, stuck on 3-5 Jul 26 22:28:37 kerio: read the page on category:n900 hardware Jul 26 22:53:58 DocScrutinizer: he's on irc here - or e-mail him, marco.barisione@collabora.co.uk - with patches if you wish :D Jul 26 22:54:42 Robot101: yeah I noticed that. Seems to be afk for this week though? I'll mail him I guess Jul 26 22:54:48 thanks Jul 26 22:56:16 good morning Jul 26 22:56:20 DocScrutinizer: yeah he's at guadec this week Jul 26 22:57:44 morning TermanaN900 Jul 26 22:58:00 errr UGT Jul 26 22:59:56 MohammadAG51: SpeedEvil: how many % of N900 owners are hardcore AB adicts? Jul 26 22:59:59 guess Jul 26 23:00:46 i.e. how many downloads of level packs will OVI see? Jul 26 23:00:59 DocScrutinizer, 1, the rest will be pirated Jul 26 23:01:08 ROTFL Jul 26 23:01:26 gasp Jul 26 23:03:02 * ShadowJK has on more than one occasion tried to create an ovi account, but has so far not succeeded Jul 26 23:03:42 * DocScrutinizer has tried to understand OVI basic concept and failed miserably Jul 26 23:03:49 ovi's better on symbian tbh Jul 26 23:03:56 you bet Jul 26 23:04:10 i used it to backup calendar contacts and notes Jul 26 23:05:05 I hoped to do this with N900... guess everybody is aware of the result by now Jul 26 23:05:10 Well it's relative.. doing anything at all on symbian is difficult, so when the Image gallery knows how to put it on ovi you rejoice at phone no longer holding your files hostage... Jul 26 23:05:51 yeah, actualy oviu share is the only thing that somewhat works on maemo Jul 26 23:06:06 and the ovi store (/me laughs) Jul 26 23:06:13 not for me Jul 26 23:06:40 maybe becuase I was so stupid to visit it with desktop PC Jul 26 23:06:48 lol Jul 26 23:07:13 building a .sis is much harder than building a deb Jul 26 23:07:36 couldn't find any app to *buy*, even sygic was advertised "FREE" Jul 26 23:07:44 They don't have a working "No I'm not looking for apps for my eeepc, show me stuff for instead"-option Jul 26 23:08:07 or atleast not last time i looked :P Jul 26 23:08:21 hi Jul 26 23:08:27 is there something like a sygic support channel? Jul 26 23:08:35 not that we know of Jul 26 23:08:39 was so depressing an experiance last time, I'm not temped to give it a second try anytime soon Jul 26 23:08:46 I have some questions concerning their mobile maps application before I buy it ;) Jul 26 23:08:52 ok, I'll give it a shot here ;) Jul 26 23:08:58 DocScrutinizer, oh ovo never shows you everything, you get some random subset of what's available, and no "next page" button Jul 26 23:09:13 nice Jul 26 23:09:23 Justus, I think the version in ovi is 7 day trial Jul 26 23:09:31 I allready tried that Jul 26 23:09:35 Is it possible to make the app tell me how far away the next turn is? Jul 26 23:09:37 pick today, never know if you'll find it tomorrow XP Jul 26 23:09:50 might work :-P Jul 26 23:09:58 It allways told me to "turn left/right now" even when the turn was a few crossings away Jul 26 23:10:15 sometimes the message was repeated and sometimes not, which lead to some interesting results ^^ Jul 26 23:10:24 would be lulz if the demo could be purged to be retrialed Jul 26 23:10:57 you bet it can Jul 26 23:11:18 so am I stupid or is this really the only way it can announce turns? ^^ Jul 26 23:11:23 There's a thing in settings, it shows a row of icons representing various areas of the screen. At first I thought you could pick between 4 different predefined layouts, but it's actually allowing you to customize what's displayed Jul 26 23:11:25 except if they hold a central database of IMEI Jul 26 23:11:28 set up a job in alarmd to purge and reinstall it every 7 days Jul 26 23:11:34 DocScrutinizer, doubt it Jul 26 23:12:12 Justus: sorry, no sygic user here Jul 26 23:12:25 (== me is no...) Jul 26 23:12:43 dang Jul 26 23:12:49 ah well, it was worth a try Jul 26 23:12:54 Sygic support it is then ;) Jul 26 23:12:56 maybe try in +12h Jul 26 23:13:11 past midnight in Europe Jul 26 23:13:20 no need to tell me Jul 26 23:13:24 <- german ;) Jul 26 23:13:24 Settings - Advanced settings - next next .. and I have Time of arrival, current speed, distance to destination, signal indicator Jul 26 23:13:37 ShadowJK: I know the cool stuff of the sygic app Jul 26 23:13:51 the thing with the "turn now" is the ONLY downside I found Jul 26 23:14:33 correct timing of correct guidance speech output is an art Jul 26 23:14:47 well, they're not even trying Jul 26 23:15:13 I think I turned off the antialiasing/smoothing of gps signal in the .ini Jul 26 23:15:18 I know what I'm talking about, was part of the crew odds are has built your builtin car navi as well Jul 26 23:15:24 it was hopelessly late for me Jul 26 23:15:49 but also after some time all the voice prompts get delayed by seconds Jul 26 23:16:00 like, desynced with what's going on on the screen Jul 26 23:16:41 blame friggin PA Jul 26 23:16:54 yep, and alsa Jul 26 23:17:05 if something odd is going on with audio, chances are it's PA's fault Jul 26 23:17:45 see, on my laptop I get delays of days (! literally) for audio output Jul 26 23:18:25 real fun, you close a window, in the morning, next day in the night it goes "plop" Jul 26 23:18:49 sicko Jul 26 23:18:59 absolutely Jul 26 23:19:19 can't iven think of any story explaining that Jul 26 23:19:25 even* Jul 26 23:19:55 fact is it's PA related, maybe also phonon Jul 26 23:20:03 DocScrutinizer, PA doesnt like that you rag on it, so it plays up for you! :P Jul 26 23:20:14 obviously Jul 26 23:20:20 Yeah if I had set my computer to go *plop* at closing window, I'd have hard time coming up with excuses too Jul 26 23:20:32 I'll lock it to the dark cellar for 2 weeks Jul 26 23:21:15 I just found the most epic part of sygic mobile maps ^^ Jul 26 23:21:33 it has a country overview, with different rules for allowed speed and so on Jul 26 23:21:40 that is pure gold Jul 26 23:22:04 also whether you need winter tyres in the winter Jul 26 23:22:14 and if headlights must be on at all times Jul 26 23:23:26 how I hope that there is a solution to this one issue Jul 26 23:23:28 >>All features of the microprocessor are not exploited in the N900.<< Jul 26 23:23:32 ewrrm Jul 26 23:23:53 is that GB English? Jul 26 23:24:14 N900 exploitation!? Jul 26 23:24:25 it's a little grammar bug I'd guess Jul 26 23:24:31 you bad people :P Jul 26 23:24:34 for me it sounds like "all the features are unused in N900" Jul 26 23:24:44 Set the "not" in the front of this sentence and you have it Jul 26 23:24:50 no Jul 26 23:24:55 not all features are used Jul 26 23:25:17 correct English for me would be "Not all features of the microprocessor are exploited in the N900<< Jul 26 23:25:37 as I said, put the "not" in front and your good Jul 26 23:25:43 yep Jul 26 23:30:57 DocScrutinizer: to me, "not all" sounds more natural than "all ... not", but the two mean the same thing Jul 26 23:32:04 that's a false friend in semantics for Germans then Jul 26 23:33:06 not links forward, not backwards Jul 26 23:33:16 all x are (not y) Jul 26 23:36:25 in German you might have that meaning on a construct like "[some might]..., BUT all are not" Jul 26 23:37:30 nope Jul 26 23:37:51 "Es werden nicht alle Mglichkeiten des Mikroprozessors genutzt" Jul 26 23:38:08 Not all features of the microprocessor are used" Jul 26 23:38:14 aber alle werden (trotzdem) nicht genutzt Jul 26 23:38:28 there's no "but" in the original sentence Jul 26 23:38:35 exactly Jul 26 23:38:49 yup, so no need for a but on the german sentence ^^ Jul 26 23:38:51 boogabooga Jul 26 23:38:58 that's why I say false friend Jul 26 23:39:43 huh? I still can't see the problem, there is a direct translation without any boobytraps Jul 26 23:40:53 Justus: I was just explaining there - very rarely - actually are cases where we got same upside down meaning in german. But usually translating that sentence from english will make you think the opposite of what it seems to mean in English. Due to german 'false friend' semantics Jul 26 23:41:31 you mean "all but" combinations e.g.? Jul 26 23:41:37 nevermind, it's fixed in wiki since an hour Jul 26 23:42:34 uhm, ok, allthough you left me more confused than I was before ^^ Jul 26 23:45:33 I guess that's a local dialect of Scotland ;-) Jul 26 23:45:50 huh SpeedEvil ? XD Jul 26 23:47:10 can some one have a look at this process list Jul 26 23:47:13 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242034 Jul 26 23:47:25 sorry - where Jul 26 23:47:26 to do what? Jul 26 23:47:35 SpeedEvil: lol Jul 26 23:47:41 my n900 is laggy, so is there any memory whore among this list Jul 26 23:47:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_CPU Jul 26 23:48:20 DocScrutinizer: hmm - it is ambigous. Jul 26 23:48:25 yep Jul 26 23:48:28 exactly Jul 26 23:48:36 I think I meant 'Some features' Jul 26 23:48:55 some of the features are not exploited Jul 26 23:49:03 like surely there shouldnt be like 10 skyhost processes running? Jul 26 23:49:20 skyhost? WTF Jul 26 23:49:45 killall -9 skyhost Jul 26 23:49:47 thats what i thought Jul 26 23:49:55 are you sure? Jul 26 23:50:01 whats it for? Jul 26 23:50:03 never heard of Jul 26 23:52:02 mc_teo: for your reference: http://paste.debian.net/81480/ Jul 26 23:53:29 wtf is sapwood-server?? Jul 26 23:54:01 lmfgtfy Jul 26 23:54:21 yesyesyes Jul 26 23:54:34 *yawn* Jul 26 23:54:44 DocScrutinizer: it wont die Jul 26 23:54:50 rather kill it and see what's going to stall Jul 26 23:55:00 just says it cant be killed Jul 26 23:55:11 Sapwood is a pixbuf-based 'theme' that allows you to configure the look of. GTK-using programs. . Jul 26 23:55:26 burrrp Jul 26 23:55:29 thanks Jul 26 23:55:29 and then the pids are changed Jul 26 23:55:57 you got a friggin sky virus Jul 26 23:56:01 :-P Jul 26 23:56:32 I know skyhook wireless - they do the location shit for apple Jul 26 23:56:42 but skyhost, no idea Jul 26 23:58:00 joghurt sport? maemohotspot? Jul 26 23:59:02 beat the fucking chess on n900 Jul 26 23:59:07 i cant do it on easy either Jul 26 23:59:51 DocScrutinizer: googles first result was a talk.maemo page Jul 27 00:00:02 http://merusers.de/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=31&start=10 Jul 27 00:00:04 it has something to do with skype Jul 27 00:00:22 blargh, skype Jul 27 00:01:07 isn't it interesting that it appears in a thread about short battry life? :-P Jul 27 00:01:31 running skype on a mobile device is daft Jul 27 00:04:36 skype - by definition - is a peer to peer network for VoIP. It - also by definition - is consequently designed to exploit *your* hardware, cpu time, bandwidth, and battery, for forwarding data between other people you don't have any relation to Jul 27 00:05:44 you'd be better off running a filesharing server on your N900 Jul 27 00:06:47 * mortini makes a cluster of n900's Jul 27 00:06:47 hi there Jul 27 00:06:48 at least you are ure then the people using your resources are doing that because they want and they know what they do, and maybe even say thanks to you Jul 27 00:07:01 i turned off my skype account, and they all disappeared Jul 27 00:07:01 running skype on n900 with wireless conn is just another not understandable conversation where u can hardly pickup couple of words and still without video Jul 27 00:07:03 does amybody plays in Abuse? Jul 27 00:07:12 guess i would go even further from the ap it would suck even more Jul 27 00:07:19 sheet is only good for chat Jul 27 00:07:32 even on msn i miss out parts of the conversation lulz Jul 27 00:07:49 logix2: i had a full 18 minute call today Jul 27 00:08:06 use xchat, noob! Jul 27 00:08:12 only went funny for a minutek but that was his side Jul 27 00:08:19 (sent from N900 xchat) Jul 27 00:09:15 xchat on my n900 crashes anymore when i try to connecto my znc ;_; Jul 27 00:09:23 and also SIP works great, and is integrated into dialer et al framework Jul 27 00:10:12 DocScrutinizer51 is ZNC bouncer Jul 27 00:10:36 no issues with xchat, but ZNC recently segfaults Jul 27 00:10:39 im using n900 atm Jul 27 00:11:12 and i use Rizons ZNC bouncer on there whole time Jul 27 00:11:24 and never had any problem with it Jul 27 00:14:55 well I guess it won't segfault any more, as I run it under strace now. Using Murphy to fix things Jul 27 00:21:28 and u had ur phone on wireless? Jul 27 00:21:41 mine is like from 2m from the ap Jul 27 00:21:46 skype still crap Jul 27 00:22:02 just calling skype users not to mention using their skype out Jul 27 00:24:03 timeless_mbp, ping? Jul 27 00:24:25 GAN900: moo Jul 27 00:24:37 DocScrutinizer51, hey-ho. Jul 27 01:00:11 sup Jul 27 01:00:20 nyet. Jul 27 01:02:24 * DocScrutinizer wonders what a crap that gaia TWL4030 chip must be, so Nokia decided not to use the PHY for USB, the audio amplifiers, the battery charging, SmartReflex (as for switching the regulators)... Jul 27 01:05:05 or is it cargo cult EE? Seen that on 'other devices' :-P where they added a mono amp for absolutely nothing, just because they didn't realize it's not needed anymore when switching from stereo in the predecessor device to mono in gta02. Wolfson codec 8753 had a even better amp builtin Jul 27 01:10:57 GAIA? Jul 27 01:18:28 it didn't happen like that Jul 27 01:18:53 you know damn well what i'm talking about mr.. dude! Jul 27 01:20:04 thats right.. take the silent position.. Jul 27 01:30:35 g'day all Jul 27 01:39:07 * peb_ is gone. Gone since Wed Jul 21 19:58:59 2010 Jul 27 01:50:59 I have an n900 and I cannot type to X applications in a debian chroot. Any idea what might cause this? Jul 27 02:00:19 hey any1 use fcamera? Jul 27 02:01:43 im using gimp with ubuntu and cant open the Adobe DNG raw images? Jul 27 02:10:53 on the same xserver drgeek? Jul 27 02:11:18 ham5, yeah. Jul 27 02:11:28 ham5, the same one that comes with the maemo install Jul 27 02:11:46 ham5, xev reports no keypress/releases too Jul 27 02:11:53 no idea then sorry Jul 27 02:12:11 thought debian chroot ran its own x Jul 27 02:13:16 hmm, maybe it does? my chroot is /media/mmc3 and I'm bind-mounting /tmp to /media/mmc3/tmp to re-use the existing X server Jul 27 02:49:06 wow Jul 27 02:49:32 going to take this macbook 8 hours to encode a video for the n900 from a hgih def mkv Jul 27 02:49:45 i'm encoding the 5th element Jul 27 02:50:41 hey Jul 27 02:52:06 any1 here? Jul 27 02:53:07 nokia called some stupid camera app "exciting news"??? LOLZ Jul 27 02:53:20 omweather or foreca Jul 27 02:53:43 whats next for maemo? Jul 27 02:53:52 Osama: you refereing to fcamera? Jul 27 02:53:59 yes fcamera Jul 27 02:54:04 lolz Jul 27 02:54:11 Osama: try it, it's pretty damn cool Jul 27 02:54:25 sounfs gimmicky Jul 27 02:54:31 sounds Jul 27 02:55:27 Osama: it's anything but, more of an engineering project looking for a better ui Jul 27 02:57:50 * SpeedEvil1 holds up his multipass. Jul 27 02:58:01 thats the problem with linux.... buncha geeks running around showing windowz 95 on their phones...lolz....who cares??? Jul 27 02:58:24 ? Jul 27 02:58:50 Osama: so if it's gimmicky you bitch, if it's too techy you bitch, do you have anything to contribute? Jul 27 02:59:43 chill buddy **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 27 02:59:56 2010