**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 02:59:57 2010 Jul 29 03:55:01 http://www.amazon.com/Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM Jul 29 03:55:03 hahhaha! Jul 29 03:59:36 damn it goes silent here at night Jul 29 04:00:52 LOL Macer Jul 29 04:05:46 http://www.amazon.com/Cloverdale-Fresh-Whole-Rabbit/dp/B00012182G/ref=pd_sbs_indust_3 Jul 29 04:06:39 review.. Jul 29 04:06:40 This review is from: Fresh Whole Rabbit (Misc.) Jul 29 04:06:40 I'll keep this short and sweet. We ordered one of these rabbits for our children this Easter and boy what a surprise. It is NOT a living rabbit. Someone has killed this rabbit and skinned it, I suppose for eating. Anyway, our children were traumatized and Easter is not the same holiday that it used to be for us. On the upside, we don't have to fill their Easter baskets anymore as we told them the Easter bunny was killed by Amazon. Jul 29 04:18:04 swc|666: LOL Jul 29 04:18:15 :p Jul 29 04:18:29 amazon man .. epic products **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:10:14 2010 Jul 29 05:10:26 EdLin: worked fine with normal Linux on Gentoo Jul 29 05:10:35 just the combination Maemo kernel + Gentoo didn't Jul 29 05:10:49 my memory must be going, I'm 41 in a few weeks. Jul 29 05:10:56 N800 was a different matter Jul 29 05:11:04 N800 and N810 have totally different audio stacks Jul 29 05:11:34 maybe I'm thinking of n800. Jul 29 05:11:41 I never had one of those tho Jul 29 05:11:48 also, for *practical* puroses, you had to choose between audio and Jul 29 05:12:00 now it's down to audio vs GPS I think Jul 29 05:12:43 luke-jr, I used my n810 as a portable media player also, so for me not having audio was a big issue for running something besides the standard stuff full time. Jul 29 05:14:51 what's the state of nitroid on the n900? I am interested in Android development even if not android-phone, so I wouldn't mind having that available. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:24:18 2010 Jul 29 05:24:41 Caltech >> MIT Jul 29 05:25:02 Ken-Young, I go on and off to Brooklyn College. Jul 29 05:25:50 Ken-Young, also I took electronics engineering tech at a small community college in Virginia, nearly worked for NASA though, if they were hiring. Jul 29 05:28:26 EdLin, Caltech is occasionally called CIT, so I could be a NIT user from CIT. Jul 29 05:29:05 Ken-Young, coolio. Jul 29 05:29:56 Ken-Young, what was your major at Cal Tech? Jul 29 05:30:14 Astronomy (Grad School) Jul 29 05:30:53 Ken-Young, well, I nearly worked for NASA, but it would have been aeroknotics, because that's what they did at Langley AFB. Jul 29 05:31:08 areonautics* Jul 29 05:31:22 "nearly"? :) Jul 29 05:31:29 Ken-Young, NASA Langly was a neat place, lots of wind tunnels and computers. Jul 29 05:31:36 NASA can be very frustrating. Jul 29 05:31:46 MiXu-, they had a hiring freeze. Jul 29 05:32:09 MiXu-, but my college had a co-op program for them and like everyone I applied. Jul 29 05:32:43 Ok :) Jul 29 05:32:59 EdLin: I guess that's where they design Apple computers then? Jul 29 05:33:12 MiXu-, electronics engineering tech at TNCC was for NASA mostly originally, they even had you do everything according to NASAspec. Jul 29 05:33:22 hi all Jul 29 05:33:32 MiXu-, which made their sodering course very hard. Jul 29 05:33:38 Hehe Jul 29 05:33:43 n900-space, hi Jul 29 05:34:52 Goodnight, all! Jul 29 05:34:59 night Jul 29 05:36:52 what happened to the portrait mode browsing in microb? Jul 29 05:37:10 Milo-: It isn't working for you? Jul 29 05:37:14 It haven't worked for me since 1.2 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:37:22 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:54:15 2010 Jul 29 05:54:31 jaem: no HTML 5 for Maemo? :p Jul 29 05:54:33 EdLin: Yep, that's more or less my reasoning. I had quit, and then I realized that some of my friends would forget to invite me to events (thinking that the (figurative) "mass-invite" button that is Facebook would include me). Jul 29 05:54:36 jaem, can it do full-screen youtube, or just the website? Jul 29 05:54:40 luke-jr: what is the status of that? Jul 29 05:54:56 jaem: ? Jul 29 05:55:30 EdLin: I think in theory the browser is capable of it, but it wouldn't be a good experience. The Youtube client, ZouTube (Yes, lovely TM-skirting there :P) works well enough. Jul 29 05:56:01 can anyone tell me , that in QT, what apis r used to access internet, like fetching a webpage from a url ? if this is not the correct channel to ask this then plz specify which one shud i head to Jul 29 05:56:02 The main problem I find with Flash is the interaction quirks - it was never really meant for a high-DPI device with a stylus, so it generally works, but it's clunky. Jul 29 05:56:02 I need to install an older ZouTube, mine works like shit Jul 29 05:56:11 n900-space: go poke me in #qt Jul 29 05:56:21 n900-space: QHttp? Jul 29 05:56:26 luke-jr: deprecated Jul 29 05:56:30 IIRC Jul 29 05:56:32 o Jul 29 05:56:36 They have shinier stuff now. Jul 29 05:56:53 Hey fellaz.. just popped in with a theorycraft question: Can the N900 distinguish between a wall and car charger? Jul 29 05:56:55 Qt needs to fix HTTPS one of these days Jul 29 05:57:05 jaem, Qt deprecates stuff almost as often as Java, but at least it doesn't suck as much. ;-) Jul 29 05:57:06 luke-jr: I was asking a moment ago whether you knew if there was any work towards an HTML5-compliant browser for the N900. Jul 29 05:57:14 jaem: no idea Jul 29 05:57:14 luke-jr: i'll check the qhttp Jul 29 05:57:21 thanks jaem Jul 29 05:57:32 Izzeh: I don't believe so. Jul 29 05:57:46 ah that's what I figured Jul 29 05:57:58 Izzeh: between a computer and a wall/car charger, yes Jul 29 05:58:07 yep Jul 29 05:58:23 wonder if it'd be at all possible to 'guess' based on the amount of current Jul 29 05:59:02 Izzeh: Well, you probably *could*, but it wouldn't be at all reliable, as far as I can see. Jul 29 05:59:05 http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-1352 is annoying Jul 29 05:59:16 lol ah well.. maybe in future devices :D Jul 29 05:59:38 Izzeh: I think it's more a matter of the USB charging spec than anything Nokia can do. Jul 29 06:00:05 yeah your right Jul 29 06:00:12 It would be simple enough if they wanted to make the charging connector some crazy thing with a sense of some sort, but I'd much prefer they didn't. :/ Jul 29 06:00:19 I'm only interested based on the amount I've been screwing around with automation lately Jul 29 06:00:21 Standard USB works fine for me. Jul 29 06:00:24 Izzeh: Do tell... Jul 29 06:00:54 on plug in: enables fm transmitter, plays music, and opens a 'car style' GUI for forward next and track info :P Jul 29 06:01:09 as it is I have a QBW that does all these.. but automation excites me to no end Jul 29 06:01:12 Izzeh: use GPS Jul 29 06:01:28 Izzeh: QBW? Jul 29 06:01:35 queen beecon... Jul 29 06:01:55 desktop command widgets... basically have it execute a nice little script on press Jul 29 06:02:00 Yeah, I've been meaning to fiddle with automation fun on the phone. Jul 29 06:02:06 I just haven't gotten around to it... Jul 29 06:02:20 lol its a shame its once against flawed by Nokia Jul 29 06:02:32 as the dbus for playing/pausing breaks every 3-4 uses of it Jul 29 06:02:46 Part of the problem is that I have to use the phone for work (coding) /and/ daily use, so I can't afford to break it too much by fiddling Jul 29 06:02:47 so every second day I have to open the media player to be able to play audio Jul 29 06:02:50 ...Not that that stops me :P Jul 29 06:03:08 Really? Huh. What are you using for "'car style' GUI" you mention? Jul 29 06:03:18 lol I bricked mine while travelling last month.. went without a phone for 3 days =x Jul 29 06:04:27 its a bit of a dodge workaround. Essentially the script makes a QBW widget 'wake' and 'show' taking half the screen as a next button Jul 29 06:04:54 just uploaded an image in this thread.. its what made me think to ask: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768722&postcount=4 Jul 29 06:05:23 unfortunately can't get song info as it'd need a full python script as thats the only way to access the information Jul 29 06:06:20 its also rather dumb (doesn't check state at all) but thats one of the main reasons I use it... as the available FMTX widget polled the FM transmitter some ridiculous amount of times.. costing me a good 10% of battery life Jul 29 06:13:45 can anyone tell me one thing Jul 29 06:13:56 when i login from my laptop to n900, using ssh Jul 29 06:14:10 through the "developer" login Jul 29 06:14:23 and the password i give as provided by the madde app runnning on n900 Jul 29 06:14:33 my location on the console becomes /home/developer Jul 29 06:14:46 that has a MyDoc folder when i do ls Jul 29 06:14:55 if i go inside the MyDoc Jul 29 06:15:05 i see the same stuff as if i had gone inside the /home/user Jul 29 06:15:33 n900-space: it's symlinked Jul 29 06:15:36 I didn' Jul 29 06:15:50 I didn't actually realize that until now - thanks for making me check :P Jul 29 06:16:16 on an offhand and also with the n900 specifically... Jul 29 06:16:31 Rebel sources reveal Obi Wan Kenobi lived in a cave & "watched over" young boys, waiting to "train them to use a lightsaber". #wookieleaks Jul 29 06:16:34 anyone know why the return key does this funky C-M (CONTROL M) stuff? Jul 29 06:16:40 Ups - Misspaste Jul 29 06:16:56 merlincorey: no, I've been putting off wondering about that for a while now Jul 29 06:17:09 specifically, if I am ssh'd into a box and using tmux and certain other curses apps, I have to press control m Jul 29 06:17:11 … Jul 29 06:17:14 jaem: same issue? Jul 29 06:17:19 Ctrl-M is \n Jul 29 06:17:29 luke-jr: so why is the return key not apparently? Jul 29 06:17:32 Return/Enter and Ctrl-M are logically the same thing Jul 29 06:17:42 oh, that Jul 29 06:17:50 I suspect N900 Return is keypad Enter Jul 29 06:17:52 but I have to explicitly press C-m Jul 29 06:17:59 so jaem i get it that this symlink stuff is linux specific and i shud google for it if i want more info on it right? Jul 29 06:18:10 so probably I can play with the keysyms you think, luke-jr? Jul 29 06:18:13 merlincorey: I'd consider it a tmux bug. Use standard screen? Jul 29 06:18:14 n900-space: Sure, but I can give you the gist right now. Jul 29 06:18:21 luke-jr: tmux is bsd standard ;) Jul 29 06:18:28 and buggy, apparently Jul 29 06:18:34 I had the same issue with some applications.. I inferred SDL differentiated between a standard "enter" and the n900 return key Jul 29 06:18:40 I guess cmus is buggy too :P Jul 29 06:18:43 because that one needs it as well Jul 29 06:18:50 yea sure Jul 29 06:18:54 do Jul 29 06:19:12 n900-space: symlinks aren't Linux specific at all Jul 29 06:19:24 n900-space: Windows just hides them because MIcrosoft thinks you're an idiot Jul 29 06:19:26 :p Jul 29 06:19:33 LOL Jul 29 06:19:43 .. wait... symlinks actually function under windows? Jul 29 06:19:47 luke-jr: why don't you explain... my brain is tired. :P Jul 29 06:19:51 and have security issues :) Jul 29 06:19:53 Izzeh: to some extent Jul 29 06:20:06 n900-space: the equivalent for most Windows users would be shortcut files Jul 29 06:20:10 I've always longed for symlink implementation in windows Jul 29 06:20:12 n900-space: If you want a technical answer, go read up on filesystems and inodes. If you want a quick answer, wikipedia will probably be better. Jul 29 06:20:17 shortcuts just don't work the same Jul 29 06:20:21 Izzeh: the drivers support symlinks, but not userland so much Jul 29 06:20:43 well there you go.. learn something new every day Jul 29 06:20:57 luke-jr: so on rereading it, am I correct in reading it that you are saying tmux and other such applications are reading for '\n' specifically, rather than the ENTER keysym (or what not at the X level)? Jul 29 06:21:05 hmmm Jul 29 06:21:11 luke-jr: the /really/ quick answer for this case is that /home/user/MyDocs is referenced by a symlink in /home/developer, which allows it to "appear" there. Jul 29 06:21:19 merlincorey: SSH doesn't pass X events Jul 29 06:21:20 that was @n900-space Jul 29 06:21:41 luke-jr: well, yeah, but the osso-term program is an X program, however I see your point in my flawed reasoning XD Jul 29 06:21:45 so nokia makes a user names 'developer', but uses for it the same directories that the /home/user has Jul 29 06:22:03 so the question still remains, what the hell are they doing O_o (hard to prod someone to fix if I don't really know the cause) Jul 29 06:22:04 n900-space: only MyDocs is linked, probably Jul 29 06:22:06 n900-space: No... /home/user/MyDocs is where all your stuff /is/ Jul 29 06:22:25 /home/developer/MyDocs is a "reference" to the other one. Jul 29 06:22:51 You can access the same files in /home/developer, but the symlink "file" itself is a separate entity, and deleting it won't remove the original files. Jul 29 06:22:55 developer login has different right too probably ? Jul 29 06:23:08 Do note that deleting the files *inside* the symlinked directory *will* delete the originals. Jul 29 06:23:09 rights* Jul 29 06:23:15 n900-space: it's on FAT, so it's not an issue Jul 29 06:23:18 yea Jul 29 06:23:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink Jul 29 06:23:43 n900-space: Also, regarding the developer account, it's much easier to use certificate-based authentication. Jul 29 06:23:45 hmm actually.. linking both these discussions together Jul 29 06:23:57 Then just pass ssh/scp the "-i /path/to/private/key" switch when you login Jul 29 06:24:01 is this why issues are encountered symlinking on fat? Jul 29 06:24:22 Izzeh: IIRC, FAT does not support them, so yes Jul 29 06:25:54 Linux vfat driver should support Shortcuts Jul 29 06:25:55 :p Jul 29 06:26:05 luke-jr: pff Jul 29 06:26:07 n900's filesystem fat ? Jul 29 06:26:12 jaem: Cygwin does it! Jul 29 06:26:19 n900-space: The partition that MyDocs is on is, yes. Jul 29 06:26:26 /home/user and / are not. Jul 29 06:26:28 or there are multiple fs inthere doing their jobs Jul 29 06:26:38 n900-space: there's a page on the Maemo wiki Jul 29 06:26:51 I think it's called something like "What the heck, Nokia?!" XP Jul 29 06:26:59 * jaem ducks Jul 29 06:27:01 why not the usual ext3? is that explained somewhere? Jul 29 06:27:09 alls I know is quake 3 seems to hate being symlinked from /home/user/baseq3 to somewhere inside MyDocs.. but that's probably sloppy programming Jul 29 06:27:17 n900-space: traditional journalling filesystems are hard on Flash Jul 29 06:27:21 n900-space: /home is ext3; as to why not-- ext3 is not designed for solid-state Jul 29 06:27:38 n900-space: MyDocs is FAT so you can access it in Windows Jul 29 06:27:41 its also not mountable in windows (and mac?) Jul 29 06:27:45 n900-space: the main docs area is fat so you can use usb mass storage Jul 29 06:28:22 not designed for solid states ... Jul 29 06:28:31 ok i got a question coming to my mind Jul 29 06:28:35 maybe stupid :p Jul 29 06:28:41 n900-space: for solid-state drives, ext2 is better than ext3 Jul 29 06:28:50 but best is the newer stuff like logfs Jul 29 06:28:50 Whereabouts does Maemo keep its config for which partition(s) are mountable via g_file_storage? I know when dual-booting on my N810, things sometimes got messed up with non-standard partitioning schemes Jul 29 06:29:15 I really hate how much windows has held back partitioning Jul 29 06:29:24 NTFS has slowed so many things down Jul 29 06:29:27 when you laptop has a solid state drive, and you are installling linux on it, wud you not chose ext for / ? Jul 29 06:29:37 your* Jul 29 06:29:49 n900-space: I recently got one. I did ext4 minus journal Jul 29 06:29:59 so kindof a hybrid ext2/ext4 Jul 29 06:30:20 ext4 minus journal means ? Jul 29 06:30:36 ext3 minus journal = ext2 Jul 29 06:30:45 aha Jul 29 06:30:46 ext4 = ext3 + extents + ⁇? Jul 29 06:31:17 hehe Jul 29 06:31:26 interesting Jul 29 06:31:27 Hi folks, is there any (good) meeGo IRC channel already? Jul 29 06:31:28 aha, manu pluses and minuses going on Jul 29 06:31:33 unnecessarily confusing, the lot of it Jul 29 06:31:34 peb: #meego Jul 29 06:31:38 #meego :) Jul 29 06:31:49 windows needs to step up with an open source filesystem so we can finally be unified :P Jul 29 06:31:51 #meego2bed Jul 29 06:31:57 OKok ... I'll grab a cup of coffee first, seems the night was to long ... Jul 29 06:32:03 Izzeh: … who uses Windows? Jul 29 06:32:07 microsoft is disappointing Jul 29 06:32:14 unfortunately the majority Jul 29 06:32:22 and majority rules Jul 29 06:32:26 no Jul 29 06:32:29 majority are idiots Jul 29 06:32:37 recently they even closed their developer nntp channels .. or r about to , given the notice to switch to there unltra slow web based ui Jul 29 06:32:40 luke-jr: "majority fools"? Jul 29 06:32:47 yep... hence why Apple runs supreme Jul 29 06:32:54 but its the way things work Jul 29 06:32:54 lol Jul 29 06:33:07 Izzeh: fight the majority! :P Jul 29 06:33:15 use Tonal! Jul 29 06:33:16 <.< Jul 29 06:33:29 LOL Jul 29 06:33:33 =x Jul 29 06:33:34 even apple is not minority anymore Jul 29 06:33:44 i see macbook pros everyyyyywhere !!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 29 06:33:50 Apple is the nemesis of open source Jul 29 06:33:53 yeah but all of jobs ideas are fking retarded/outdated Jul 29 06:34:00 Apple makes Microsoft look *good* Jul 29 06:34:03 LOL Jul 29 06:34:05 luke-jr: Yet it is interesting how they silently leech off of FOSS Jul 29 06:34:06 so is microsoft Jul 29 06:34:06 was just about to say that Jul 29 06:34:13 jaem: that's half the point Jul 29 06:34:21 but imagine where we would be now.. if NTFS had have been an open filesystem Jul 29 06:34:27 n900-space: at least Microsoft supports open PCs Jul 29 06:34:35 Apple wants *everything* closed Jul 29 06:34:36 none of these pain in the ass 4gb filesize limits when working between microsoft/linux/mac Jul 29 06:34:37 Speaking of Apple and FOSS, a friend who was going through WebKit code found a "goto". >_< Jul 29 06:34:55 yes luke-jr Jul 29 06:34:56 Izzeh: you can get ext2 drivers for Windows, stop whining Jul 29 06:35:01 jaem: OMG!!!!!! don't look in the kernel Jul 29 06:35:23 jaem: sometimes it's the only sane way to cleanup in C ☺ Jul 29 06:35:29 asj: Don't tell me it has comefrom's in it? :P Jul 29 06:36:03 orly? I haven't looked in to this in a couple years, but I was under the impression NTFS on linux = read only (and barely) and extX on windows = corrupt drives quite often Jul 29 06:36:09 although WebKit should be C++… Jul 29 06:36:15 hehe jaem , i think that windows 2000 source that got leaked back in the start of year 2000, had a lot of gotos Jul 29 06:36:16 luke-jr: it is, AFAIK Jul 29 06:36:22 Izzeh: Linux has read-write on NTFS for a number of years now Jul 29 06:36:29 lol I am behind the times :P Jul 29 06:36:47 look at ntfs-3g Jul 29 06:36:52 and as far as I'm concerned, if Windows touches a drive, it's already corrupt Jul 29 06:36:54 :p Jul 29 06:37:00 (also should point out I know there are limitations of NTFS... but had it been OS it would have enabled a step in the right direction) Jul 29 06:37:02 lol Jul 29 06:37:18 jaem: it's faily normal error handeling: if(!alloc_mem()) return -EFAIL; if(!alloc_more_mem()) goto cleanup; if(!alloc_even_more()) goto cleanup_more; init_stuff; return 0; cleanup_more: free() cleanup: free(); return -EFAIL; Jul 29 06:37:22 luke-jr: Yes, I've always like their "I don't recognize this filesystem, so let's give the user a nice big "FORMAT" button to accidentally click" approach Jul 29 06:37:32 asj: Blech. Jul 29 06:37:58 jaem: ot Jul 29 06:37:59 * luke-jr formats jaem Jul 29 06:38:17 jaem: it's fairly clean and easy to read code when not writen on 1 line ;) Jul 29 06:38:24 asj: how many apps actually have error handling on malloc? Jul 29 06:38:58 luke-jr: kmalloc(big, GFP_ATOMIC) == easy Jul 29 06:39:08 kmalloc != malloc :p Jul 29 06:39:29 hmm, I just realized I don't use malloc very often in general Jul 29 06:39:38 lol jaem... I fell for that back in the day. Lost nearly 2 months of work on a 256 mb hard drive Jul 29 06:39:40 just put everything on the stack Jul 29 06:39:51 luke-jr: not checking return values, especially malloc and of things that "never fail" is a big big aboo of mine Jul 29 06:40:14 asj: exceptions are a big thing C sucks at Jul 29 06:40:38 luke-jr: exceptions are too high level for C. Though longjmp is fun :) Jul 29 06:40:48 asj: don't need to be Jul 29 06:40:55 it could be a signal, for instance Jul 29 06:41:12 or even "ON ERROR GOTO ___" Jul 29 06:41:19 luke-jr: signals are problematic enough, jesus I don't want more. Jul 29 06:41:30 meh, signals work fine for me Jul 29 06:41:34 just a bit crufty Jul 29 06:41:37 I bet EINTR is one of the least checked return values Jul 29 06:41:55 I don't think it's possible to get that.. Jul 29 06:42:03 isn't the stdlib supposed to retry automatically Jul 29 06:42:04 ? Jul 29 06:42:16 luke-jr: not afaik Jul 29 06:42:46 hence why sleep functions like nanosleep return the amount of time left to sleep Jul 29 06:43:37 OT question: how painful is assembly going to be? I have an introduction to microprocessors labratory tomorrow morning :P Jul 29 06:43:50 Izzeh: It depends on your prof and your hardware. :) Jul 29 06:43:53 Izzeh: which up? Jul 29 06:43:53 Izzeh: totally depends on what assembly language Jul 29 06:44:01 Izzeh: MIPS is fun insane Jul 29 06:44:12 uhhh 2 secs Jul 29 06:44:14 Big fat dead-tree reference manual, pencil, and a hex keypad? Good Fun! Jul 29 06:44:18 Ahem Jul 29 06:44:34 jaem: hey, I think everyone should hand assemble at least a few lines of code Jul 29 06:44:36 I wrote a MIPS emulator once for probably no good reason Jul 29 06:44:40 They never got around to setting up the computers that year. >_< Jul 29 06:44:52 asj: Oh, I agree. The *learning experience* was good, but it was painful Jul 29 06:45:08 Also the fact that we had to write it all on paper with a pencil and eraser. Jul 29 06:45:09 asj: hand assemble meaning write the assembly, or write the bytecode? Jul 29 06:45:11 Gimme some ol'fashioned debugging with a 2 digit display and a RS232. Jul 29 06:45:20 I'm studying ECE Engineering.. so its almost vital Jul 29 06:45:22 Even doing high-level code on paper is lousy... ASM is not cool Jul 29 06:45:28 (as it C... which I really hate) Jul 29 06:45:33 Izzeh: myself as well. Jul 29 06:45:39 Oh great, my phone won't flash. Jul 29 06:45:41 luke-jr: convert assembly to machine language Jul 29 06:45:57 asj: that's ugly for MIPS IIRC Jul 29 06:45:58 luke-jr: 08 fa 45 12 00 ff 34... Jul 29 06:46:10 Both the phone and the (Linux) flasher appear to be hung before the process started. Jul 29 06:46:11 What the heck? Jul 29 06:46:12 hmm ok.. we're working with a HS12X controller Jul 29 06:46:17 a single "assembly" instruction can equal multiple real instructions… Jul 29 06:46:19 which is freescale? Jul 29 06:46:22 Izzeh: Ah, those, yes. Jul 29 06:46:31 luke-jr: That's CISC Jul 29 06:46:34 Izzeh: Freescale doesn't do only one arch Jul 29 06:46:47 Duckboot: not really Jul 29 06:46:49 I recall the demonstrator mentioning his hate for MIPS... but I could be confused with another acronym :P Jul 29 06:47:07 luke-jr: That's ~CISC Jul 29 06:47:10 Duckboot: CISC would be a single complex instruction as bytecode Jul 29 06:47:43 Izzeh: anyways, assembly is good to know. I tend to read it more than write it, especially when debugging Jul 29 06:47:46 Suggestions, folks? I'm hesitant to just pull the battery, but I don't see any alternatives. Jul 29 06:48:00 yeah it sounds like it'll be a challenge at least Jul 29 06:48:22 more-so than the 'how many vertices' type C codes.. and definitely more so than matlab Jul 29 06:48:30 MIPS is great fun - Nice and clean instruction set. Jul 29 06:48:49 Izzeh: once I got this little 8051 (keyboard controller) pumping data at 8mbits/sec by bit banging a gpio, and that's bloody fast, could never have done without assembly and "tricks" Jul 29 06:49:31 exactly what lecturer stated Jul 29 06:50:09 part of his old occupation was rewriting sections of C in straight assembly for optimization Jul 29 06:50:20 so at least he knows his stuff Jul 29 06:51:58 Izzeh: but it's shit like this: arrithmetic rotate left, which copies the msb into the carry (tricky tricky), then move.carry which moves the carry bit into a gpio register, which is a bit operator very rare, and a couple toggles for the clock. total of 4 instructions, 1 clock cycle each Jul 29 06:55:49 Does bootmenu do anything odd related to Flashing on the N900? Jul 29 06:56:00 I've never had issues before, but something is definitely weird right now Jul 29 06:56:29 it had some really weird issues Jul 29 06:56:42 which is why nitdroid moved away from it Jul 29 06:57:01 qualitatively I've no idea what those are though :P Jul 29 06:58:04 Gah... now flasher won't die. Jul 29 06:58:41 brb - reboot Jul 29 07:02:12 let's try this again... :/ Jul 29 07:04:56 flasher is just sitting at the "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." line, and the N900 is not booting or flashing. >_< Jul 29 07:05:52 linux or windows? Jul 29 07:06:11 Izzeh: Linux, and I've done this plenty of times before. Jul 29 07:06:41 The only potentially-relevant thing that has changed since the last time I did this was the addition of bootmenu. Jul 29 07:06:52 Let's see if I can boot and remove it... Jul 29 07:07:25 ensure kickstand is in, camera lens closed, remove microSD and hold your breath with your tongue stuck to one side Jul 29 07:08:12 Izzeh: Should I stand on my head as well? Jul 29 07:09:43 it certainly couldn't hurt! Jul 29 07:12:16 ... Jul 29 07:12:16 Are necks *supposed* to make that noise? Jul 29 07:12:57 jaem: Probably not, but they do. Jul 29 07:14:47 I stand corrected.. Jul 29 07:14:52 it could, quite literally, hurt Jul 29 07:15:02 Ah Jul 29 07:15:03 DocScrutinizer: are you there Jul 29 07:19:07 Stskeeps, drowned yet? Jul 29 07:19:20 no, but it did look like it rained a fair bit yesterday Jul 29 07:19:26 and i'm at 9th floor, so drowning is .. difficult Jul 29 07:19:27 :P Jul 29 07:19:41 ah, right, Secure Office is on the top floor specifically for that reason Jul 29 07:19:46 I'm on the 10th where I am.. and it was damn near close :P Jul 29 07:19:56 so that it's Secure Jul 29 07:21:42 Stskeeps, TomaszD, what do you guys do, have life boats near all windows so if the water level rises you can jump out? Jul 29 07:21:43 :P Jul 29 07:22:23 nah, but recentely I was travelling with one of my friends by a 4x4 car during a massive rainfall and there was an insane lake in the middle of the road, his 4x4 almost stalled and water got inside the footwells Jul 29 07:23:31 there are rubber plugs in the footwells for drainage, he removed them as he has a leaking soft top... so water got inside through them heh Jul 29 07:24:36 Goodnight, all Jul 29 07:24:52 jaem, good night Jul 29 07:25:08 ideally you want the cabin of a 4x4 to fload Jul 29 07:25:18 flood** Jul 29 07:25:26 else it will float and off down the river you go Jul 29 07:35:18 gaah, i missed the antiapple troll Jul 29 07:35:20 :( Jul 29 07:37:32 and you were planning to make a stand for apple? Jul 29 07:38:01 what anti-apple troll? Jul 29 07:38:08 psycho_oreos: sure, why not? Jul 29 07:38:54 crashanddie, I'd love to see that :p in the middle of maemo channel here comes someone who'll support apple Jul 29 07:41:56 erhm... Jul 29 07:42:00 I support Apple? Jul 29 07:43:14 I support BP Jul 29 07:43:24 BP? Jul 29 07:43:27 lol Jul 29 07:43:38 oh I thought we were namedropping corps we support Jul 29 07:43:39 * crashanddie facepalms Jul 29 07:44:06 psycho_oreos: british petroleum? Jul 29 07:44:24 psycho_oreos, you haven't heard of the oil spill? :P Jul 29 07:45:00 I was more interested in the debate from apple hater vs apple lover in this very chan, normally it'd be android owners versing iphone, not some misc. support Jul 29 07:45:31 crashanddie, yeah that was the first acronym that I thought but then there were plenty others that I later thought within a short amount of time frame :p Jul 29 07:45:51 Termana, yes the one near US, made itself popular in news around the world Jul 29 07:46:15 Appiah owns stock in BP Jul 29 07:46:18 :D Jul 29 07:46:59 i own stock in apple Jul 29 07:47:11 * kerio supports Jul 29 07:47:11 os x is a great os Jul 29 07:47:12 and the iphone... if you need all the things that jobs doesn't want you to do, you're probably not in the "intended demographics" Jul 29 07:47:12 i see my stupid friends with the iphone... if anything, it should be *more* dumbed down Jul 29 07:47:19 BP should probably give him 20 gallons of free fuel and for every other shareholder keeping place Jul 29 07:47:34 crashanddie, Rich in the pocket, poor in the soul Jul 29 07:47:40 :P Jul 29 07:47:51 kerio: lol Jul 29 07:48:24 hey, they're perfectly happy with the app store, and all the easy-to-install games Jul 29 07:48:39 the iphone is great when you do things the way jobs intended, otherwise it's quite sucky. Jul 29 07:48:42 kerio, I don't deny whatever the stuff rolling out of apple is absolutely crap but the way jobs handles its fans is kinda like adolf hitler Jul 29 07:49:11 apple does great stuff, as long as you do it the way they intended it works great, I'm sure it's a great experience, it'st just not for me. Jul 29 07:49:13 ask them about tethering, they'll answer "bwhaaa?" Jul 29 07:49:27 kerio: tethering is limited due to AT&T etc, it's not a technical problem. Jul 29 07:49:28 SwedeMike: that's why you're in #maemo Jul 29 07:50:04 yeah, i know, but most users don't really care Jul 29 07:50:37 kerio: my girlfriend has an ipod touch, for her it seems to work quite well, but I just can't get over the fact that without a computer with itunes and an account with a credit card for itunes store, it's a brick. Jul 29 07:51:06 psycho_oreos: you've lost the argument Jul 29 07:51:15 psycho_oreos: please leave the channel Jul 29 07:51:20 psycho_oreos: godwin's law. Jul 29 07:51:35 crashanddie, no but you can Jul 29 07:51:46 sure Jul 29 07:52:10 oh shoot, I wanted to leave... Jul 29 07:52:28 Guess ChanServ won't let me. Now change the subject. Jul 29 07:52:29 * psycho_oreos shakes head, sadistic threats Jul 29 07:52:44 (technically you don't need a CC for an account, anyway...) try to reflash the n900 without a computer ;) Jul 29 07:52:45 crashanddie: godwin's law doesn't talk about winning an argument Jul 29 07:53:23 well, it does induce the fact that there is no point in continuing cuz no good will come of it Jul 29 07:53:26 Morning, all Jul 29 07:53:37 crashanddie: but who won?!?!?!? Jul 29 07:53:40 Jaffa: morning mate Jul 29 07:53:44 kerio: nobody Jul 29 07:53:48 :( Jul 29 07:54:00 godwin's law sucks Jul 29 07:57:56 DocScrutinizer51: just to be an arse: two other interviews early next week :P Jul 29 08:02:28 SwedeMike: i wouldn't have problem that it requires credit card and itunes account Jul 29 08:02:39 SwedeMike: it's just iTunes that's slow and sucks Jul 29 08:02:49 and behaves in a way i'm not used to Jul 29 08:08:33 jacekowski: I definitely agree that it doesn't work in a way I'm used to, my 20+ years of computer experience doesn't work. Jul 29 08:16:21 MohammadAG51, ping Jul 29 08:16:57 SwedeMike: you're not cool enough to use the iphone ;) Jul 29 08:18:24 hahaha Jul 29 08:26:11 kerio: or not ignorant enough :P Jul 29 08:59:13 Hi ! Jul 29 09:04:06 hi Khertan_ \o Jul 29 09:04:30 SwedeMike: not cool enough to be part of 'it' (whatever 'it' is) Jul 29 09:08:28 anyone had a look at julius yet? Jul 29 09:09:23 chem|st, what is this Jul 29 09:14:08 lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_(software) Jul 29 09:27:27 chem|st, ooo is it ported? Jul 29 09:33:34 quick way in shell to see if bluetooth is active? Jul 29 09:35:21 hcitool probably Jul 29 09:35:28 or dbus Jul 29 09:37:08 writing a shell script.. its been far too long... lol Jul 29 09:37:13 yes, "hcitool dev" should work Jul 29 09:37:23 Izzeh, they always take longer Jul 29 09:38:08 thanks lcuk Jul 29 09:43:02 lcuk: that was my question, 'if' anyone is looking at it... should be available for easy debian anyway Jul 29 09:43:06 * crashanddie waves at lcuk Jul 29 09:43:20 and at chem|st, too Jul 29 09:43:27 guten morgen! Jul 29 09:43:46 wie gehts? Jul 29 09:44:44 hi crashanddie Jul 29 09:45:18 how's it going guv? Jul 29 09:46:34 good crashanddie :) just busy right now, will stop and have a brew in a bit Jul 29 09:47:30 k Jul 29 09:48:52 down under... delphi sucks Jul 29 09:49:30 any editors that'll work inside ssh other than vi? Jul 29 09:49:35 nitdroid.com down? Jul 29 09:49:48 Izzeh: hundreds Jul 29 09:49:58 available for n900 in a neat little package? :P Jul 29 09:50:08 also nitdroid.com is timing out for me also Jul 29 09:50:35 if your after files the files2.nitdroid.com mirror is up though Jul 29 09:51:05 Izzeh: whats wrong with vi? Jul 29 09:51:27 its like 80 years old :P Jul 29 09:51:48 Izzeh: nevermind... Jul 29 09:52:00 Izzeh: try vim Jul 29 09:52:08 hmm just grabbed nano.. it'll do the job Jul 29 09:52:10 nano Jul 29 09:57:12 Izzeh: pico/nano should work.. Jul 29 09:57:21 ed/joe should too Jul 29 09:57:42 personally, i'd suggest edlin :) Jul 29 09:58:36 you should be able to use it w/ freedos :) Jul 29 09:59:30 lol nano will do the job its just a shell script with about 70 lines of echos inside a case statement Jul 29 10:09:19 am I right in thinking that maemo packages interface does not search within full package titles or descriptions for keywords? Jul 29 10:09:23 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=Facebook Jul 29 10:09:32 misses: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fb-migrator/ Jul 29 10:09:51 "Facebook migrator" is its user readable title Jul 29 10:09:59 X-Fade, is that a known issue? Jul 29 10:10:06 lcuk: That is correct. Let me see if I can improve that ;) Jul 29 10:10:27 bonus \o/ Jul 29 10:19:26 cool Jul 29 10:28:50 morning Jul 29 10:32:36 Hello MohammadAG51 :) Jul 29 10:35:04 hey alterego Jul 29 10:44:57 dpkg option to check if a .deb file is already installed? or any other way to quickly check? Jul 29 10:46:55 dpkg --get-selections? Jul 29 10:47:20 dpkg -l ? Jul 29 10:47:29 dpkg -s [package] shows info and has a status: field Jul 29 10:47:38 "install ok installed" Jul 29 10:47:39 note that a .deb isn't really as meaningful as you think Jul 29 10:47:52 because i can name package foopy-bar "a.deb" Jul 29 10:48:17 or at the very least a package foopy-bar might be foopy-bar-i386.deb or foopy-bar-all.deb or whatever Jul 29 10:48:23 yeah I'm not after anything too practical.. jsut enough to stop my script reinstalling every time I run it Jul 29 10:49:08 oops Jul 29 10:49:10 dpkg -s [somethingnotinstalled] says package is not installed (instead of showing info) Jul 29 10:49:11 * timeless_mbp misses lunch Jul 29 10:49:16 Izzeh: dpkg-query -s |grep Status|awk '(print $2)' Jul 29 10:49:34 chem|st: just trying to be different, eh? :) Jul 29 10:49:47 timeless_mbp: anytime ;) Jul 29 10:50:26 damnit I'm too lazy to write an if statement for all the packages :P Jul 29 10:51:25 you could just install each time :-b Jul 29 10:51:38 yeah its like 11 massive packages though :P takes ~30 seconds Jul 29 10:51:45 or create a mini repo and ask apt-get to install something Jul 29 10:51:52 let apt figure out if things are missing Jul 29 10:51:57 also reinstalling overwrites my configs :P Jul 29 10:52:02 dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive Jul 29 10:52:23 bugger it I'll do it lazy style Jul 29 10:52:41 echo 'installed' > fileinstalled Jul 29 10:52:56 and if installed then Jul 29 11:04:50 jacekowski, still working on froyos flash? Jul 29 11:05:14 sort of Jul 29 11:05:28 i'm doing other stuff at the same time as well Jul 29 11:05:46 isn't there a debian arm flash version available? Jul 29 11:06:06 surely froyo's flash would work completely differentially? being its inside a vm? Jul 29 11:06:24 it's not inside a vm Jul 29 11:06:31 it's native Jul 29 11:06:36 the one on device contains a lot of maemo specific code. It is not a plain flash dump received from adobe. Jul 29 11:06:58 how do I start into maemo with multiboot? Jul 29 11:07:08 I figure as much, just thought if your going hex diving then starting from an arm deb version would be much better Jul 29 11:07:20 slide open keypad chemist? Jul 29 11:07:26 and select option 0 Jul 29 11:07:35 option 1 actually Jul 29 11:07:38 at least for me Jul 29 11:07:50 I have power kernel installed and that shows as option 1 Jul 29 11:07:52 ty Jul 29 11:08:03 0 it is Jul 29 11:08:04 option 0 works in both instances I believe Jul 29 11:08:28 option 1 is default and option 2 is power kernel for me Jul 29 11:08:36 ~seen crashanddie Jul 29 11:08:38 crashanddie <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 21m 6s ago, saying: 'k'. Jul 29 11:08:44 hmm... anyone know if default busybox shell has case? my N900 is flat :S Jul 29 11:08:54 or am I gonna have to use bash? Jul 29 11:09:05 (as in case/switch) Jul 29 11:14:37 MohammadAG51: after my input on the neopwn thread, I think that if it were to ever be released, we would easily find a "if (username == 'crashanddie') segfault();" in the code :P Jul 29 11:17:36 hmm that may not be true Jul 29 11:17:42 it may be vm shit Jul 29 11:17:45 or something Jul 29 11:18:19 lol I actually came to the same conclusion crashanddie :P Jul 29 11:18:53 keep going and it may end up being a sudo rm -rf /* Jul 29 11:19:50 do you have link for that thread maybe Jul 29 11:20:59 hey guys. anyone had a problem with tv out? Jul 29 11:21:03 i can't seem to get it to work Jul 29 11:21:17 got my dads n900 here next to me, it works fine. mine however, when connected, does nothing Jul 29 11:21:32 jacekowski: the post you told me I was "a bit rude" Jul 29 11:21:35 it shows that the headphone is connected in dmesg Jul 29 11:21:40 but doesn't show anything Jul 29 11:21:45 jacekowski: responses after my reply: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&page=23 Jul 29 11:21:55 no state change like with the headset or headphones Jul 29 11:22:05 korhojoa I had issues as well Jul 29 11:22:13 I found I came back the next day and it worked perfectly Jul 29 11:22:18 sorry I can't be more helpful Jul 29 11:22:39 I inferred after a while that the nitdroid (the old, compatabile) kernel was causing it Jul 29 11:22:50 I had the same problem once. hard boot (removing battery) fixed the issue. Jul 29 11:23:00 try reflash the basic power kernel? Jul 29 11:23:09 (after doing the usual reboot/hard reboot of course) Jul 29 11:23:14 Izzeh: well, it's got the new multiboot selector that autoflashes Jul 29 11:23:16 (or default kernel if you don't use power) Jul 29 11:23:25 argh. Jul 29 11:23:59 lol I can't imagine the new one would cause any issues.. as if it was still installed you wouldn't be able to boot maemo Jul 29 11:24:44 random question: don't have anything infront of me to test.. does = need to be exited in sed? Jul 29 11:30:51 can someone tell me how to install ddclient on n900? Jul 29 11:34:18 why does sed hate me soooo Jul 29 11:36:10 ~seen swc|666 Jul 29 11:36:13 swc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 8h 12m 54s ago, saying: 'is meego using busybox or no?'. Jul 29 11:36:32 MohammadAG51: look at the ident for that user Jul 29 11:36:57 ~botsnack Jul 29 11:36:57 :), DocScrutinizer Jul 29 11:37:01 ~status Jul 29 11:37:02 Since Thu Jul 29 06:58:13 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 32 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 35 commands. I have been awake for 4h 38m 48s this session, and currently reference 117187 factoids. I'm using about 16472 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 364.18/25.91 child 0.02/0.02 Jul 29 11:38:36 crashanddie, i know, someone on another server told me about him Jul 29 11:41:13 great Jul 29 11:41:27 now the email app doesn't seem to be refreshing my local server Jul 29 11:41:56 Macer, shove a uranium ore in it Jul 29 11:42:03 yah Jul 29 11:42:09 that'll fix it :) Jul 29 11:46:53 I don't believe I'm saying that... Which neopwn thread? Jul 29 11:47:06 lol Jul 29 11:49:34 DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=767563#post767563 Jul 29 11:55:58 QA thoughts. Jul 29 11:56:28 ~nibble me Jul 29 11:56:29 bites korhojoa in the ear Jul 29 11:56:31 Is a package that violates others terms of service ever a fail on QA tests? Jul 29 11:56:40 heh. tickles >: Jul 29 11:57:32 SpeedEvil: well, it depends. Jul 29 11:58:12 SpeedEvil: if the only feature (or main feature) will infringe valid and reasonable terms of services, then I believe it ought to fail Jul 29 11:58:39 *just remembered why he hates coding.. just lost 2 hours on a basic script* Jul 29 11:58:45 http://maemo.org/packages/view/adventure-tablet/ - for example - uses openstreetmaps maps without the required attribution as its major feature. Jul 29 11:59:02 SpeedEvil: if however, a side effect of using a secondary feature is the infringement of a ToS of something that nobody cares about ... it's moot Jul 29 11:59:09 SpeedEvil: fail. Jul 29 11:59:44 SpeedEvil: Complain to bergie, he's in here too ;) Jul 29 12:00:09 I think I'll start with a nice comment - the app could do with an 'about' page anyway - which would easily fix. Jul 29 12:00:38 SpeedEvil: the GSoC student is actually working on an About screen right at the moment :-) Jul 29 12:00:59 :) Jul 29 12:01:38 Yeah - I was more meaning in the generic rather than specific case. I just happened to notice your app as a - somewhat trivial - example. Jul 29 12:01:50 somewhat trivial in terms of license violations I mean Jul 29 12:02:58 bergie: Also - you might want to consider powering down the GPS after n seconds of screenlock. Jul 29 12:03:01 SpeedEvil: it might be nice if osm-gps-map provided a method for getting appropriate attribution text for different map providers Jul 29 12:03:20 SpeedEvil: I'll mention that to her, we'll be hacking tonight anyway Jul 29 12:03:40 there's a major new version coming soon with adventure sharing etc Jul 29 12:03:46 so you can see also other players moving on the map Jul 29 12:04:29 SpeedEvil: can you mention those issues on http://github.com/cannonerd/adventure_tablet/issues so they are not forgotten? Jul 29 12:04:33 bergie: Neat. Jul 29 12:04:33 k Jul 29 12:05:53 hmm. Jul 29 12:05:57 Another mistake. Jul 29 12:06:01 'You are signing up for the free plan The cost for this plan is $0 per month. You can cancel, downgrade, or upgrade at any time.' Jul 29 12:06:11 How does one downgrade from a $0 plan. Jul 29 12:06:15 -1$ Jul 29 12:06:18 they pay you. Jul 29 12:06:29 wow... i'm surprised by the emotion in that neopwn thread Jul 29 12:06:51 i mean... I'd be a hugely happy camper, would my build tool have as many passionate followers Jul 29 12:06:58 link? Jul 29 12:07:41 frals: you mean for my build tool? it's for java, before anyone gets their hopes up: http://wiki.github.com/wolfie/Bob/ Jul 29 12:08:35 (while i'm at it, the code is at http://github.com/wolfie/Bob, and an Bob's bootstrapping build code is at http://github.com/wolfie/Bob/blob/master/bob/Default.java( Jul 29 12:08:38 Jul 29 12:09:47 Wolfie: it's not about passionate followers, really Jul 29 12:10:13 crashanddie: it's not? i saw a lot of passion, and a few self-declared followers, though ;) Jul 29 12:10:35 Wolfie: injection is pretty much the holy grail of the n900 at this point (that and a decent turn-by-turn gps app). It's about false promises and shallow statements Jul 29 12:11:33 Wolfie: it's like someone were to scream "I'm going get Jesus back. Be ready. 3 weeks from now latest." And because the church is kinda supporting him and providing help, we all kinda believe in it, and get excited. Jul 29 12:11:43 well, sygic is good enough Jul 29 12:12:02 Get him back for what? What's he done to you? Jul 29 12:12:14 second coming :P It's in the bible :P Jul 29 12:12:17 i've read that there are public patches for injection in n900 chip Jul 29 12:12:27 for same chip Jul 29 12:12:27 jacekowski: and I'd love to see them Jul 29 12:12:39 but n900 has different patches as well Jul 29 12:12:47 jacekowski: if they are -- as in, they do exist and they are public -- I'll put in quite a few hours and days to get it working Jul 29 12:12:52 at least that's what somebody said in that thread Jul 29 12:13:44 crashanddie: ok, fair enough. Jul 29 12:14:15 crashanddie: although, there has been a lot of hubbub about this guy who allegedly found the ark of the covenant, but nobody got exactly pissed at him (afafik) Jul 29 12:14:21 *afaik Jul 29 12:14:38 well, that's a myth :P Jul 29 12:14:44 (not that the rest of the bible isn't) Jul 29 12:14:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768636&postcount=239 Jul 29 12:14:57 that post Jul 29 12:15:04 I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people got very, very pissed at the guy Jul 29 12:15:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768640&postcount=240 Jul 29 12:15:05 and that Jul 29 12:15:27 hmm Jul 29 12:15:52 jacekowski: did you see my reply to that guy? Jul 29 12:16:08 jacekowski: and showing a list of patches isn't exactly proof of anything... those patches are completely not related... Jul 29 12:17:43 bergie: OK - tracker spammed. Jul 29 12:17:58 excuse me for not being hacker-y enough, but what would people do with packet injection on a mobile phone? Jul 29 12:18:21 inject packets. Jul 29 12:18:21 aren't there such things for, say, laptops? Jul 29 12:18:30 Wolfie: be less conspicuous? Jul 29 12:18:45 laptops dont fit in your pocket Jul 29 12:19:01 i'm still not following you. What's a practical use of packet injection? Jul 29 12:19:07 hacking Jul 29 12:19:12 ah Jul 29 12:19:13 * SpeedEvil has the image of Dr Zoidberg saying 'Natures pocket!' Jul 29 12:19:19 + some other illegal actividies Jul 29 12:19:26 and a few legal ones Jul 29 12:19:28 Wolfie: I can walk around a building and smoke a cigarette while "reading my mobile", when really I'm cracking the network for a pen-test, I can't do the same with a laptop and or in a car with direction antennas without being spotted Jul 29 12:19:46 alright Jul 29 12:19:52 blah blah blah Jul 29 12:20:11 i think i'll hold my breath for a gratis version of joiku, then ;) Jul 29 12:20:13 if somebody hired you for it then you don't have to worry about that Jul 29 12:20:19 otherwise it's illegal Jul 29 12:20:26 (that doesn't require as much kernel hacking as the alternative does currently) Jul 29 12:20:28 actually, I do. Jul 29 12:20:35 jacekowski: alright Jul 29 12:20:44 jacekowski: I've been hired to do pen-testing, which also tests the physical security of a building Jul 29 12:20:59 jacekowski: and in the case of wireless networks, perimeter is an important aspect of it Jul 29 12:21:08 anyone bored feel like looking over this script to see why its skipping the case statement: http://pastebin.com/4BjRsbcj Jul 29 12:21:43 jacekowski: Or if it's your own system. Jul 29 12:22:09 well, it's hard for me to imagine legal use case where you couldn't use a laptop Jul 29 12:22:13 crashanddie: how is perimiter very important - if you can stand off 1km with a dish in a van with a flat side. Jul 29 12:22:22 jacekowski: up a tower, clinging onto a ladder Jul 29 12:22:52 SpeedEvil: it's actually a lot harder than you think to transmit packages far enough. Reading is easy, sending is hard. Jul 29 12:23:29 crashanddie: Antennas are reversible by their nature. Gain is not one-directional. Jul 29 12:23:39 Unless you're hitting time-of-flight limits. Jul 29 12:24:15 Nope, but even though I've built directional antennas to listen from afar, the same antennas were never able to send as far. Jul 29 12:24:46 So, don't know the physics behind it, but it just doesn't work as easily both ways as you'd hope. Jul 29 12:24:48 reciever and transmitter sensitivity are not equal. Jul 29 12:25:21 if the AP has a powerful transmitter, but there is for example local noise, or the reciever is insensitive, you can recieve much further than you can transmit. Jul 29 12:26:44 Izzeh: removes the quotes around "a", "b" | "c" Jul 29 12:26:54 and remove the spaces between value and ) too Jul 29 12:27:28 * SpeedEvil has a 1.2" dish with a USB stick at prime focus. Jul 29 12:27:32 err Jul 29 12:27:34 1.2m Jul 29 12:27:37 lol :) Jul 29 12:27:55 I quite liked the canned beef version Jul 29 12:28:52 Oh - also - if your antenna is mismatched, your TX may struggle or become distorted Jul 29 12:32:55 gah damn power keeps going out Jul 29 12:55:50 * tybollt commend speedy for using metric Jul 29 13:06:44 crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&page=25 o.O Jul 29 13:06:47 what's /usr/sbin/icd2 Jul 29 13:07:10 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=769172#post769172 actually Jul 29 13:07:29 * DocScrutinizer pokes MohammadAG51 Jul 29 13:07:29 MohammadAG51: google? Jul 29 13:07:40 * MohammadAG51 pokes DocScrutinizer Jul 29 13:08:03 MohammadAG51: where's Ur fsckng cloak?? Jul 29 13:08:09 morning ppl Jul 29 13:09:03 http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+icd2 Jul 29 13:09:39 MohammadAG51: quote from #freenode:Do 29. Juli 2010] |[04:05:07] | Project cloaks beat gateway cloaks beat unaffiliated cloaks. Jul 29 13:10:03 MohammadAG51: so please go #freenode and get an unaffiliated NOW Jul 29 13:11:12 * timeless_mbp kicks adium for being incredibly stupdi Jul 29 13:11:15 oO Jul 29 13:11:17 look Jul 29 13:11:19 s/di/id/ Jul 29 13:11:21 DocScrutinizer: http://cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_pinout Jul 29 13:12:05 jacekowski: \o/ Jul 29 13:12:09 DocScrutinizer: rapuyama is cortex-a something based Jul 29 13:12:22 and other thing is Jul 29 13:12:30 that nolo 2nd can be replaced Jul 29 13:12:39 it's only nolo x-loader that's signed Jul 29 13:12:50 ~ping Jul 29 13:12:51 ~pong Jul 29 13:13:05 aagh Jul 29 13:13:07 timeless_mbp: infobot hates you Jul 29 13:13:08 my brain is melting Jul 29 13:13:20 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's ok, the regexp wouldn't have done the right thing anyway Jul 29 13:13:29 lol Jul 29 13:13:30 it doesn't apply to actions, only statements Jul 29 13:13:33 mother trucker... Jul 29 13:13:42 aidium Jul 29 13:13:44 temp 35°C and humidity around 50% Jul 29 13:13:45 DocScrutinizer: that has to be added to wiki Jul 29 13:13:55 ooh right, no actions Jul 29 13:14:16 jacekowski: yep, and copied, not only referred Jul 29 13:15:49 how is your jig project going? Jul 29 13:17:31 and btw. Jul 29 13:17:34 http://cpkb.org/wiki/BSI Jul 29 13:17:37 Battery Size Indicator ( or Battery Status Indicator or Battery System Indicator ) Jul 29 13:17:45 Mobile phones use BSI to identify the type and size of the used battery. This is needed to determine the current and the voltage of the charging. Jul 29 13:18:02 jacekowski: not written by a native speaker Jul 29 13:18:42 jacekowski: yep, nothing particularly new in BSI definition Jul 29 13:18:58 yeah, it just confirms what we know Jul 29 13:20:05 jacekowski: (jig) not even started as there's ZERO feedback about number of devices and maximum allowable cost, from potentially interested dudes Jul 29 13:20:57 well, I got a BL-5J two days ago, to eventually slaughter and revamp Jul 29 13:21:06 DocScrutinizer: it can't cost more than 20kCUR/unit ;-) Jul 29 13:21:35 sure. But is anobody going to PAY that much for it? :-D Jul 29 13:22:05 well, i personally would be just interested in some sort of connectors Jul 29 13:22:19 i'll pay 1dollah Jul 29 13:22:30 i was thinking about buing couple fbus/mbus cables Jul 29 13:22:36 and taking them apart just for a connector Jul 29 13:22:45 timeless_mbp: I mean, living in a tent with twenty of those jigs as my only companions, as I had to sell my house... not a perspective Jul 29 13:22:58 heh Jul 29 13:23:13 at least you had a nice house Jul 29 13:23:55 (the point is I actually don't) Jul 29 13:25:16 jacekowski: any link to those cables? I'd think IF they really fit N900 they for sure need to be jig type, with battery dummy, much like FT-94 Jul 29 13:25:56 jacekowski: nice find btw Jul 29 13:26:06 * DocScrutinizer hands jacekowski a lolly Jul 29 13:26:26 hmmm Jul 29 13:26:27 http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal1.htm Jul 29 13:27:14 UHUH! Jul 29 13:27:21 nice hack Jul 29 13:27:25 or Jul 29 13:27:26 http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal2.htm Jul 29 13:28:52 that's clever Jul 29 13:29:42 so we've got fbus mbus, serial Jul 29 13:29:48 and second serial? Jul 29 13:30:05 it's probably rapuyama serial Jul 29 13:30:09 yep Jul 29 13:30:36 even what's called primary serial in that picture is most likely rapu for n900 Jul 29 13:30:58 isn't it? Jul 29 13:31:21 jacekowski: you should know by heart if it matches your finds for console AP serial Jul 29 13:31:40 sorry, coffee is useless today Jul 29 13:31:52 it doesn't Jul 29 13:31:59 pins on that are different Jul 29 13:32:08 so it's another serial Jul 29 13:32:14 question is what is it for Jul 29 13:33:22 heya :) after flashing everything else seem to be workin fine but my wifi is not connecting :( Jul 29 13:33:39 did any one encounterd this problem ? Jul 29 13:33:55 i flashed emmc with latest vanilla image Jul 29 13:34:03 no Jul 29 13:34:08 jacekowski: as I said above: rapuyama Jul 29 13:34:09 just emmc? Jul 29 13:34:19 you have to flash emmc and fiasco Jul 29 13:34:26 never flash emmc without fiasco Jul 29 13:34:26 first rootfs with indian maemo Jul 29 13:34:50 then without rebooting i flashed with emmc Jul 29 13:35:00 first eMMC, THEN rootfs! Jul 29 13:35:05 period Jul 29 13:35:28 eh o_O it was written in wiki to flash rootfs and then vanilla Jul 29 13:35:39 doesn't matter if you REALLY didn't boot in between Jul 29 13:35:48 ah :) Jul 29 13:35:55 but now wifi is not working Jul 29 13:36:00 yesyes, we had extended argues about it Jul 29 13:36:11 but before flashing it was working Jul 29 13:36:12 wifi unrelated though Jul 29 13:36:28 maybe you should configureonce again Jul 29 13:36:31 then flash it as it's been told Jul 29 13:36:42 any patches or something ? Jul 29 13:36:54 nope Jul 29 13:37:06 so i need to reflash Jul 29 13:37:17 check the settings for the internet connection via wlan Jul 29 13:37:40 my wlan is scanned and found Jul 29 13:37:46 i enter correct key Jul 29 13:37:51 h4xordood: why ? you tell you didn't boot, positively. And everything else works Jul 29 13:37:57 so no need to flash again Jul 29 13:38:18 oka :) Jul 29 13:39:06 tell me one thing how can i know if my wireless card got fried on n900 ? Jul 29 13:39:07 when your AP is found on scanning, then it's just a question of correct config to make it work. Do exactly same you did before, and it should work Jul 29 13:39:25 the thing is i am doing same Jul 29 13:39:27 won't happen Jul 29 13:39:45 anyway if scanning works, then it's not fried Jul 29 13:39:55 jacekowski: that cable 2 looks utterly nasty Jul 29 13:40:26 turn off the protection of the AP and try connect to it if it work then you are enter the wrong pass/key Jul 29 13:40:49 i am trying to do same :) Jul 29 13:42:18 my sd card is reading on n900 but not on computer Jul 29 13:42:44 N900 FTW Jul 29 13:42:59 what ? Jul 29 13:43:44 so who wants to hear me vent? Jul 29 13:43:52 spent 3 hours trying to figure out why my script wouldn't work Jul 29 13:44:23 only to discover it was a 'don't if' inside an echo starting an imaginary if statement that gave me an error 200 lines later Jul 29 13:44:50 heh Jul 29 13:45:13 on a brighter note.. noobies no longer have to open a text file in xterm to modify one file Jul 29 13:45:15 <.< Jul 29 13:46:53 Izzeh: sounds all very funny but non instructive Jul 29 13:47:34 instructive: don't use contractions when putting lines and lines of echo Jul 29 13:47:43 and yeah, any lexem opening a structure can give you headache when forgetting to close the bracket Jul 29 13:48:14 eerrrrr Jul 29 13:48:22 cat < commonly known by the name of here-document Jul 29 13:49:10 (or similar stupid name) Jul 29 13:50:13 random related question: is there a way to pause for keystroke in busybox? Jul 29 13:50:17 read -n 1 doesn't work Jul 29 13:50:59 wouldn't feel surprised messybox doesn't support, as it never was intended for interactive shell usage Jul 29 13:51:20 Izzeh, by "doesn't work" you mean it waits for Enter? Jul 29 13:51:42 * mgedmin tries Jul 29 13:51:44 -sh: read: illegal option -n Jul 29 13:51:45 no its an 'illegal option -n' Jul 29 13:51:55 see what I meant Jul 29 13:51:56 it works inside bash though Jul 29 13:52:18 nuke messybox, use bash Jul 29 13:52:20 :-P Jul 29 13:52:25 blam bash :P Jul 29 13:52:29 not everyone has it Jul 29 13:52:37 well, don't nuke it as braindamaged initscripts rely on it Jul 29 13:52:42 someone said "it has too high memory footprint" Jul 29 13:52:47 and I have to agree Jul 29 13:52:56 pff Jul 29 13:53:11 lol Jul 29 13:53:17 so does anyone have an alternative? Jul 29 13:53:28 messybox has worked so far.. even manages my case/switch perfectly Jul 29 13:53:34 install read Jul 29 13:53:37 binary Jul 29 13:53:47 refer to with full path Jul 29 13:54:15 or, nuke messybox :-D Jul 29 13:54:37 apt-get install coreutils-gnu Jul 29 13:54:43 lol hmm maybe I'll just read and tell the user to hit enter Jul 29 13:55:04 even I'm too lazy to install that :P Jul 29 13:55:38 then don't complain you have to jump hoops every second line, when scripting Jul 29 13:55:50 messybox is crap Jul 29 13:56:18 my script doesn't even require root though.. if I added that I'd have to tell them to get rootsh and so on so Jul 29 13:56:22 next time don't come here and ask "where is `nice`?" Jul 29 13:56:34 slippery slope.. I think I'll just stick to lazy coding :P Jul 29 13:56:46 was kinda hoping for a built in command I missed Jul 29 13:59:14 if your script needs root then either user has to KNOW how to get root BEFORE starting your script, or go for user friendly sudo as it's there just to meet your needs regarding that Jul 29 14:00:04 sudo requests password if packages like openssh is installed Jul 29 14:00:28 sudo does whatever is configured in /etc/sudoers Jul 29 14:01:29 you easily add a config line to allow apt-get install *, without pw query Jul 29 14:02:19 that's what sudo is meant for Jul 29 14:02:59 or simply set SUID on apt-get ;-P Jul 29 14:03:18 hmm forgot I actually do need root... there you go... Jul 29 14:03:31 but to edit /etc/sudoers you need root Jul 29 14:03:43 :S Jul 29 14:03:49 heh, not if you are HAM postinstall Jul 29 14:04:05 is that the file that should be edited with visudo? Jul 29 14:04:14 that's what rootsh actually does btw Jul 29 14:04:31 fsck visudo Jul 29 14:05:06 Hey. I'm having difficulty getting my n900 to pick up Ogg files :/ Jul 29 14:05:35 I've got "extra decoders" installed... but no joy Jul 29 14:05:53 doesn't tracker need to be restarted? Jul 29 14:06:08 can you launch them from file manager? Jul 29 14:06:25 I restarted tracker with tracker-processes -r, and I've also been through a few phone reboots Jul 29 14:06:51 from file manager? Jul 29 14:06:54 launch HFM, click on *.ogg - does it play? Jul 29 14:07:08 Izzeh: yep, I can play them from the file manager Jul 29 14:07:23 kick tracker ass Jul 29 14:07:26 lol Jul 29 14:07:29 how helpful :P Jul 29 14:07:32 heh Jul 29 14:07:35 i.e check the config for tracker Jul 29 14:07:38 go grab tracker-cfg from app manager Jul 29 14:07:50 and make sure .ogg files aren't in an ignored directory Jul 29 14:07:58 (very handy program otherwise as well) Jul 29 14:08:11 Izzeh: do you know what app category it's in? Jul 29 14:08:13 ~nuke tracker and the whole concept Jul 29 14:08:14 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tracker and the whole concept ... B☢☢M! Jul 29 14:08:46 infobot has spelling error... fail :P Jul 29 14:08:57 how do we make fun of it? Jul 29 14:08:58 lol Jul 29 14:09:15 ~nuke Izzeh Jul 29 14:09:16 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Izzeh ... B☢☢M! Jul 29 14:09:17 ~botsnack Jul 29 14:09:18 kerio: :) Jul 29 14:09:37 Izzeh: I can't find this "tracker-cfg" app Jul 29 14:09:48 you got extras-devel enabled? Jul 29 14:09:58 ah, it's in -devel Jul 29 14:10:10 I didn't expect it to be.. but I guess so yes Jul 29 14:10:12 ~useless Jul 29 14:10:14 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( Jul 29 14:10:33 :( Jul 29 14:10:35 yay you made it cry Jul 29 14:10:39 ~hail infobot Jul 29 14:10:41 her Jul 29 14:10:41 * infobot bows down to infobot and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jul 29 14:10:48 wait, what was the command Jul 29 14:10:54 ~attack kerio Jul 29 14:10:55 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio Jul 29 14:11:05 uhm... am I the only one that REALLY misses rootsh? Jul 29 14:11:13 it was so overpowered Jul 29 14:11:25 huh? Jul 29 14:11:37 latest rootsh version removed the actual rootsh command Jul 29 14:11:43 Izzeh: what are ya talking bout? Jul 29 14:11:55 Izzeh: it's called root now Jul 29 14:12:20 which is just a script that calls sudo gainroot Jul 29 14:12:29 sudo gainroot is obsolete. rootsh is since years Jul 29 14:12:52 sudo -i -H Jul 29 14:12:54 kthx Jul 29 14:13:43 yea, tracker-cfg was in -devel Jul 29 14:13:57 * DocScrutinizer stares in luke-jr general direction and frowns Jul 29 14:14:00 I miss the ability to search in the app installer... Jul 29 14:14:11 its not gone? Jul 29 14:14:15 mems, you can search as you type... Jul 29 14:14:17 just enter all section and start typing Jul 29 14:14:21 mems: select "all", start typing Jul 29 14:14:26 DocScrutinizer: if N900 wants to be "normal Linux", why the emphasis on non-standard commands? Jul 29 14:14:37 luke-jr: ack Jul 29 14:14:39 Anyone found a good shopping list app for N900? Jul 29 14:14:59 isn't shopper available? Jul 29 14:15:02 "Shopper" is promising but incomplete. Jul 29 14:15:17 paff Jul 29 14:15:22 Doesn't autosave and you have to manually load your saved list Jul 29 14:15:24 MiXu-, lbt is the author, bug him for features Jul 29 14:15:34 actually, since N900 demoted '-' to a Fn key, I've been cheating and skipping -H :/ Jul 29 14:15:35 does too autosave... bloody users Jul 29 14:15:41 :D Jul 29 14:15:44 Doesn't autosave for me :D Jul 29 14:15:54 I used to use Shopper on N810 Jul 29 14:15:55 I know... Jul 29 14:15:58 crashed too much ☹ Jul 29 14:16:09 * DocScrutinizer gasps from laughing at notes not knowing how to safe-as Jul 29 14:16:14 ok my root sections are failing Jul 29 14:16:17 I fail at life :'( Jul 29 14:16:24 utf8 smileys >< Jul 29 14:16:26 and sudo hates me as it requests a password I never set Jul 29 14:16:29 luke-jr: bear in mind that I was using a half-assed Qt too Jul 29 14:16:36 lbt: So autosave is supposed to work? Jul 29 14:16:43 lbt: you wrote Shopper⁇ Jul 29 14:16:47 luke-jr: is -H useful with -i? Jul 29 14:16:53 MiXu-: yes... designed from the start Jul 29 14:16:56 Corsac: no idea, does -i imply -H? Jul 29 14:17:00 lbt, it's been a week since I sent the package, should be any month now :P Jul 29 14:17:00 there is no save button Jul 29 14:17:01 here it does Jul 29 14:17:04 Hmm. Maybe I'll purge it and try again. Jul 29 14:17:07 luke-jr: yes Jul 29 14:17:13 Corsac: I think in some cases it doesn't Jul 29 14:17:16 sudo attempts to change to Jul 29 14:17:17 that user’s home directory before running the shell. It also ini‐ Jul 29 14:17:17 tializes the environment, leaving TERM unchanged, setting HOME, Jul 29 14:17:17 SHELL, USER, LOGNAME, and PATH, and unsetting all other environment Jul 29 14:17:17 variables. Jul 29 14:17:23 hmhm Jul 29 14:17:26 * lbt slaps Corsac... use pastie Jul 29 14:17:29 Question: I installed the SDK and updated plus added the Nokia Binaries repo and apps. aren't I supposed to be in PR 1.2 already? with Qt pre-installed? Jul 29 14:17:30 yeah Jul 29 14:17:46 MiXu-: did you log a bug... or add to the one there? Jul 29 14:17:54 lbt: ok, I'll give it another try now that I know who to bug for feature requests Jul 29 14:17:55 :D Jul 29 14:17:57 5 lines are ok afaik Jul 29 14:17:57 Jucato, yep Jul 29 14:17:59 lbt: not yet Jul 29 14:18:05 luke-jr: sure.. be happy to listne Jul 29 14:18:07 en Jul 29 14:18:08 luke-jr: I guess “attempts” is your problem? Jul 29 14:18:13 Corsac: ? Jul 29 14:18:15 TomaszD: hm .. strange. no Qt package showing up in dpkg -l ... Jul 29 14:18:37 luke-jr: here I always do sudo -i and it changes correctly, but maybe in some cases it fails for you? Jul 29 14:18:46 TomaszD: I'm watching... Jul 29 14:18:48 Corsac: maybe old versions or such Jul 29 14:18:58 hmmh, though the ”attempts” is only for the change directory Jul 29 14:19:01 not for the envvar Jul 29 14:19:14 so is there no practical way to run a script without running it as root in busybox? Jul 29 14:19:25 … Jul 29 14:19:35 Izzeh: sure you can make a desktop shortcut for it Jul 29 14:19:44 Izzeh: why would it run as root? Jul 29 14:19:46 <_llll_> or just run it Jul 29 14:19:57 lbt: I cloudy remember a max-pastelines policy mentioned somewhere. Alas can't figure anymore where Jul 29 14:20:00 you know, if there is any remote app for n900 for controlling htpc type media player? Jul 29 14:20:08 running as user and trying to enter root inside the script fails royally Jul 29 14:20:13 DocScrutinizer: ~3 iirc Jul 29 14:20:19 lbt: was something like 5 or 6 Jul 29 14:20:21 Izzeh: sudo Jul 29 14:20:21 Jucato, how about dpkg -l libqt Jul 29 14:20:27 orly only 3? Jul 29 14:20:31 sudo requests password for me Jul 29 14:20:39 TomaszD: none. dpkg -l | grep -i qt Jul 29 14:20:42 Izzeh: you didn't configure it then Jul 29 14:20:58 Jucato, dpkg -l libqt* Jul 29 14:21:14 Tachchen Jul 29 14:21:26 so basically before I can distribute a script to lowcase noobs and have all it does is modify some root files.. they need to modify their sudoers configuration file? Jul 29 14:21:33 that seems really pointless to me Jul 29 14:21:38 TomaszD: lol ... libqt-perl, status "un" Jul 29 14:21:51 Izzeh: ok, the directory the .ogg file's in wasn't ignored. Jul 29 14:22:09 Jucato, just install libqt4-maemo5 Jul 29 14:22:10 I added it as a "watched directory", then restarted tracker, and no joy Jul 29 14:22:16 =/ Jul 29 14:22:22 I would imagine that it's a metapackage Jul 29 14:22:31 I then added it as a "crawl directory" and still no beans Jul 29 14:22:31 lzentering root in a script is considered *BAD* pratice. You'll earn 5 years windows admin and linux ban for such botch Jul 29 14:22:37 Izzeh: ^^ Jul 29 14:22:52 TomaszD: I just thought it would have been installed in an upgrade (as per PR 1.2) Jul 29 14:23:08 Jucato, that's life Jul 29 14:23:11 its safer to let the user access root? :S Jul 29 14:23:18 TomaszD: tell me about it :) Jul 29 14:23:27 sigh... guess I'm rewriting and making sure it doesn't screw up permissions on user files Jul 29 14:23:39 Izzeh: see starhash-enabler. It does everything in root without even bothering user about scripts Jul 29 14:24:02 lbt: No joy with autosave. I make the list and then close Shopper. It forgets my changes Jul 29 14:24:02 Izzeh: just have your package include a sudoers config file Jul 29 14:24:26 wouldn't you need root to copy that sudoers file? Jul 29 14:24:39 packages are installed as root, duh Jul 29 14:25:08 just don't forget to put that both in postinst and postrm Jul 29 14:25:12 so what directory do people in here keep their Ogg files on their n900 that are picked up tracker? Jul 29 14:25:33 .audio? Jul 29 14:25:35 they install extra decoder support Jul 29 14:25:40 done that Jul 29 14:25:40 Izzeh: actually *# isn't modifying a root owned file, but it has special care to make sure the root user it's running under doesn't interfere with permissions of the file edited. So editing root owned files is no issue for a postinstall script, as it runs with root permissions by definition Jul 29 14:25:41 what? ogg files should get indexed by default if you have my package Jul 29 14:25:50 did you restart the n900 after that? Jul 29 14:25:59 Appiah: yea, several times Jul 29 14:26:02 also restarted tracker Jul 29 14:26:08 and got it to rebuild its databases Jul 29 14:26:11 think there was a note for that Jul 29 14:26:11 mems, does playback work from the file manager? Jul 29 14:26:17 incase it happens Jul 29 14:26:18 fair enough Jul 29 14:26:19 Izzeh: and DO NOT DARE to *replace* aka copy the /etc/sudoers!! Jul 29 14:26:24 TomaszD: yes :) Jul 29 14:26:25 lol Jul 29 14:26:36 hmm Jul 29 14:26:37 I keep mine in 'music' not '.audio'... Jul 29 14:26:47 How could i config n900 to not let the im/sms/email incoming sound break the media player sound? Jul 29 14:26:48 * kerio is not touching Izzeh's .debs with a 10 feet pole Jul 29 14:26:48 MiXu-: OK ... I'm going to have to up the priority Jul 29 14:26:52 it should not matter, files get indexed anyway Jul 29 14:27:12 TomaszD: indeed... but they're not :-/ Jul 29 14:27:18 I'm not making any debs so you'll be fine Jul 29 14:27:34 luke-jr: are you really awake and sane today? pkg include sudoers file??? WTF? Jul 29 14:27:41 ~nuke kerio Jul 29 14:27:42 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at kerio ... B☢☢M! Jul 29 14:27:50 DocScrutinizer: how do you think gainroot does it? Jul 29 14:27:56 lbt: Maybe it has something to do with permissions. Where does Shopper save by default? Jul 29 14:28:23 DocScrutinizer: add a $packagename file in /etc/sudoers.d/ Jul 29 14:28:25 ah wifi working now :) Jul 29 14:28:37 mems, so when you started the media player after installing extra decoders, did you wait for it to index the new formats? There should be a big banner with a timer displayed Jul 29 14:28:56 MiXu-: can you launch it from ssh? Jul 29 14:29:04 sure Jul 29 14:29:07 * h4xordood likes nuclear missiles only ;P Jul 29 14:29:13 TomaszD: yep, I've been through several of those "indexing your files" banner things Jul 29 14:29:18 I don't care about rootsh idiot pkg. You could argue it's the very first package you install to even get access to sudoers. Still it's borked if it doesn't edit/append to /etc/sudoers and instead nukes previous edits by replacing whole file Jul 29 14:29:21 infobot: only nuclear ones :D Jul 29 14:29:23 ~botsnack Jul 29 14:29:23 kerio: thanks Jul 29 14:29:32 kerio: exactly Jul 29 14:29:45 * mems wishes there was a way of pointing tracker at a single file to discover what it does with it Jul 29 14:30:02 now can any one help me in one thing Jul 29 14:30:02 it doesn't edit /etc/sudoers Jul 29 14:30:07 mems, no idea, can't help you then, the ogg-support part is largely unmaintained until I integrate it further into decoders-support Jul 29 14:30:09 it adds a config file in /etc/sudoers.d/ Jul 29 14:30:13 i am not able to run cfdisk Jul 29 14:30:17 DocScrutinizer: sudoers on N900 uses a .d file Jul 29 14:30:22 i have only sfdisk Jul 29 14:30:23 kerio: ok. I never checked what it actually does Jul 29 14:30:38 s/file/dir Jul 29 14:30:40 i have 16gb card inside n900 which shows its corrupted Jul 29 14:30:56 on computer it doesnt open and not read Jul 29 14:31:02 a .d file would be errr crazy? Jul 29 14:31:11 so only way to format is from maemo terminal Jul 29 14:31:40 maybe you meant a .d/* file Jul 29 14:32:04 DocScrutinizer: maybe directories are files in tonal Jul 29 14:32:06 * luke-jr runs Jul 29 14:32:17 Izzeh, TomaszD: thanks for the help. Jul 29 14:32:39 got it working mems? hardly worth helping me when I didn't solve anything Jul 29 14:32:42 luke-jr: not only in tonal Jul 29 14:32:47 thanking me*** Jul 29 14:32:48 o.0 Jul 29 14:32:50 Izzeh: no, I haven't got it working Jul 29 14:33:04 actually on ext3 and all sane fs they are in fact special files Jul 29 14:33:13 so moving to .audio folder and restarting tracker doesn't help? Jul 29 14:33:22 Izzeh: I'll try that Jul 29 14:33:31 there isn't already a .audio file... which is interesting Jul 29 14:33:45 luke-jr: you can even edit dirs with a texteditor :-P Jul 29 14:34:00 DocScrutinizer: I'll edit your dirs with a texteditor Jul 29 14:34:29 doh Jul 29 14:34:30 its .sounds Jul 29 14:34:32 sorry mems Jul 29 14:34:37 ah right Jul 29 14:34:37 too bad the nano package for Maemo crashes if you try to search Jul 29 14:35:24 what is the current openmoko status anyways Jul 29 14:35:25 dead? Jul 29 14:35:56 ok how to execute a program from a script as the user? Jul 29 14:35:59 Wikireader? Jul 29 14:36:12 It's not dead, it's resting! Jul 29 14:36:14 if executed as root it creates a config in /root/ instead of /home/user Jul 29 14:36:14 jacekowski: openmoko the company or openmoko the community? :) Jul 29 14:36:14 Isnt that om? Jul 29 14:36:20 It's pining for the fjoords! Jul 29 14:36:26 openmoko as a project Jul 29 14:36:41 there is still some life :) Jul 29 14:36:44 huh? Jul 29 14:36:45 Openmoko-corporate - is not interested in mobiles anymore. Jul 29 14:37:01 Openmoko-community - is still doing some stuff. Jul 29 14:37:16 you bet it does Jul 29 14:37:17 so what openmoko-corporate is doing now? Jul 29 14:37:24 Damn, anybody can help me with this sound thing? Jul 29 14:37:25 idling? Jul 29 14:37:28 rotting? Jul 29 14:37:30 jacekowski: I'm not sure it's more than one guy with a silly webpage Jul 29 14:37:48 DocScrutinizer: no more wikireader? Jul 29 14:37:54 actually I think it's 2 guys and a gal Jul 29 14:38:02 WikiReader was a joke Jul 29 14:38:16 mrmoku: dunno, seen WR from another brand recently Jul 29 14:38:30 Wikireader wasn't a joke. Jul 29 14:38:40 Wikireader got a fair number of sales. Jul 29 14:38:40 it's a useless device IMO Jul 29 14:38:49 luke-jr: but a nice joke. I designed a lot of hackability into it Jul 29 14:38:50 It's a useless device. For you. Jul 29 14:39:14 It's not a useless device for its exact stated purpose. Jul 29 14:39:30 alas later in development they massively changed the design Jul 29 14:39:31 mems, I'll have an arcane command for you to run in the terminal in a moment Jul 29 14:39:34 Izzeh: after another reindexing session... sticking it in .sounds doesn't help Jul 29 14:39:39 TomaszD: excellent :-D Jul 29 14:39:48 SpeedEvil: Wikipedia isn't credible. Why bother something specific to it? Jul 29 14:39:58 luke-jr: I find it useful. Jul 29 14:40:29 luke-jr: Could it be better - sure. Jul 29 14:40:38 i cant find outhow to format with sfdisk :( Jul 29 14:40:49 luke-jr: WR isn't wikipedia specific. The whole "OS" is FOSS and you are free to develop your very own application on it Jul 29 14:40:59 did apt-get install cfdisk Jul 29 14:41:03 not found Jul 29 14:41:12 is it in exxtra-devel ? Jul 29 14:41:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Motor_capacitor&diff=prev&oldid=375846232 - for example - improve it! Jul 29 14:41:26 h4xordood: BECAUSE SFDISK DOES NOT FORMAT Jul 29 14:41:34 DocScrutinizer: like a kiosk? Jul 29 14:41:47 DocScrutinizer: i think partition iss corrupt on mmc Jul 29 14:41:49 h4xordood: cfdisk doesn't format either Jul 29 14:42:11 even fdisk doesn't format! Jul 29 14:42:16 it says msdos file system not found Jul 29 14:42:25 SpeedEvil: what about a flux capacitor? Jul 29 14:42:50 h4xordood: we told you dozens of times *fdisk is just to edit partition table, and to format you need mkfs-* Jul 29 14:43:22 mems, try running as root: tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/ogg Jul 29 14:43:22 i trid mkfs.vfat -n "hackerdood" -I /dev/mmck0 Jul 29 14:43:32 but doesnt work Jul 29 14:43:38 ... Jul 29 14:43:48 mems, see if it actually outputs newly found tracks Jul 29 14:43:57 * DocScrutinizer facepalms Jul 29 14:43:58 h4xordood: you need to point it at partition, not whole device Jul 29 14:43:58 TomaszD: ok, two ticks Jul 29 14:44:23 it doesnt have any partition cause it shows device only and no partitions Jul 29 14:44:38 h4xordood: you shouldn't be messing with this stuff if you don't know what you're doing Jul 29 14:44:55 h4xordood: then use *fdisk to create them Jul 29 14:45:10 ok Jul 29 14:45:13 hm ... is it ok to ask qt-maemo (linking) questions here, or is there a more suitable channel? Jul 29 14:45:19 mems, ticks? Jul 29 14:45:20 i only have sfdisk working Jul 29 14:45:34 TomaszD: a.k.a. "working on it" Jul 29 14:45:36 k Jul 29 14:45:50 TomaszD: ok, partial success, but it terminated with a segfault: http://pastebin.com/rj2aVY6f Jul 29 14:45:51 Jucato: heyo :) Jul 29 14:45:55 you h4xordood :P Jul 29 14:46:03 sfdisk ui is a horror Jul 29 14:46:13 ack Jul 29 14:46:14 sfdisk has no ui, I'd say Jul 29 14:46:21 Jucato: you may try Jul 29 14:46:21 mems, *sigh*, oh you tracker you Jul 29 14:46:30 mgedmin: sure it has Jul 29 14:46:39 sfdisk is harder i must say Jul 29 14:46:44 fdisk is easier Jul 29 14:46:50 I'm getting linking errors when building on FREMANTLE_X86, but no errors in _ARMEL. a few hours ago, I got the same errors in _ARMEL but not in _X86: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../../i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libQtGui.so when searching for -lQtGui Jul 29 14:47:05 mgedmin: i wonder why all maemo tutorials use it instead of cfdisk Jul 29 14:47:16 Jucato: u got n900 liar :P Jul 29 14:47:18 (I reinstalled the sdk after the first ARMEL errors, now it reversed itself >.<) Jul 29 14:47:22 mems, reboot and start the media player Jul 29 14:47:31 h4xordood: so? I have the SDK :P Jul 29 14:47:37 :D Jul 29 14:47:47 mems, I'll be back in some time, should work now, you could try re-indexing if it still doesn't Jul 29 14:47:49 Jucato: mixed arches somewhere? Jul 29 14:47:57 is cfdisk preinstalled on a n900? Jul 29 14:48:04 TomaszD: OK, thanks. rebooting it now. Jul 29 14:48:09 it's not Jul 29 14:48:09 mgedmin: no Jul 29 14:48:10 mgedmin: no Jul 29 14:48:10 therefore Jul 29 14:48:19 slonopotamus: looks like it. but I wonder where/how to find out Jul 29 14:48:21 mgedmin: I apt-get installed it and ... -> EPIC FAIL Jul 29 14:48:21 mgedmin: no, but at least for maemo4 it is in repos Jul 29 14:48:21 i think its is extra-devel Jul 29 14:48:30 my battery just died Jul 29 14:48:40 usb cable + use your favourite fdisk tool on your computer Jul 29 14:48:48 mgedmin: it prints something to the screen then clears the screen prior to it being readable Jul 29 14:49:08 mgedmin: case you manage to make it work - do tell Jul 29 14:49:13 make what work? Jul 29 14:49:23 cfdisk Jul 29 14:49:26 cfdisk on maemo? wasn't planning to Jul 29 14:49:46 Jucato: do u use scratch box ? Jul 29 14:49:49 :) Jul 29 14:50:06 h4xordood: that's what the SDK uses, yes Jul 29 14:50:23 i dont know how to install that one :) Jul 29 14:50:31 tybollt: point it at device Jul 29 14:50:32 i downloaded latest one Jul 29 14:50:48 tybollt: cfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Jul 29 14:51:11 slonopotamus: hmm olrite will try Jul 29 14:51:29 anyway I'd love the regular fdisk command Jul 29 14:51:32 not the sfdisk Jul 29 14:51:35 but meh... Jul 29 14:52:12 sigh >.< Jul 29 14:52:39 my 32gb sd card has 977024 "cylinders" :) Jul 29 14:52:41 cool :) Jul 29 14:53:12 The cylinders are a lie! Jul 29 14:53:41 SpeedEvil: why? Jul 29 14:53:47 Isn't it a lie on real disks too? Jul 29 14:53:48 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# apt-cache search fdisk Jul 29 14:53:49 cfdisk - curses based disk drive partitioning program Jul 29 14:54:10 slonopotamus: Cylinders have been a lie since disks hit perhaps 120M Jul 29 14:54:25 slonopotamus: pretty sure SSD have no round edges Jul 29 14:54:29 DocScrutinizer: as i said, it's available in repos Jul 29 14:54:31 at least not cylinders Jul 29 14:54:48 unless they have a capacitor for something Jul 29 14:55:02 wth? O.o ---> file /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2 /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2: symbolic link to `/opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2' Jul 29 14:55:03 file /opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2 /opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped Jul 29 14:55:09 in any case, there's no room for 977,024 cylinders in a MMC card Jul 29 14:55:20 ok how do I fix that? seems to be something wrong with sb-conf select? Jul 29 14:55:28 Jucato: looks fine to me? Jul 29 14:55:42 luke-jr: I'm on FREMANTLE_X86 :) Jul 29 14:55:54 Jucato: what's wrong? Jul 29 14:55:56 Jucato: well, *that* is your problem Jul 29 14:56:04 Jucato: don't use x86 and you'll be fine Jul 29 14:56:14 DocScrutinizer: I'm getting linking errors when building on FREMANTLE_X86, but no errors in _ARMEL. a few hours ago, I got the same errors in _ARMEL but not in _X86: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../../i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libQtGui.so when searching for -lQtGui Jul 29 14:56:30 don't use maemo sdk and you'll be much more fine :) Jul 29 14:56:37 luke-jr: yeah but for testing with the emulator (in Xephyr), I need to Jul 29 14:56:45 slonopotamus: er ... what am I supposed to use? Jul 29 14:56:52 Jucato: nonsense Jul 29 14:56:56 Jucato: joking :) Jul 29 14:57:12 luke-jr: nonsense? Jul 29 14:57:29 Jucato: it's not an emulator if it needs special bins Jul 29 14:57:44 just build and run natively Jul 29 14:57:51 Jucato: you either need to find why it doesn't switch or just stick to one target. no reason to switch them often Jul 29 14:57:54 um .. ok ... Jul 29 14:58:19 luke-jr: "The ARMEL target should not be used for application testing and just for cross compiling. The target is not meant to support this. Please use for any other use than cross-compiling the X86 target. " - http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ#How_can_I_avoid_.22qemu.22_error_messages_of_.22af-sb-init_start.22_in_ARMEL_target.3F Jul 29 14:59:03 Jucato: don't use maemo sdk and you'll be much more fine ☺ Jul 29 14:59:13 :D Jul 29 14:59:20 ... Jul 29 14:59:27 um thanks, I guess .. Jul 29 14:59:52 Jucato: at least i gave you a hint about wrong arch :P Jul 29 15:00:14 to make a long story short, if you don't have a device yet, don't even bother/dream/try of doing any sort of development ... because the SDK is not recommended Jul 29 15:00:23 and you should be running/building them natively Jul 29 15:00:48 Jucato: Qt development is in theory the same regardless of testing and target OS Jul 29 15:00:54 just develop Qt natively Jul 29 15:01:07 you can recompile for Maemo later if you want Jul 29 15:01:48 luke-jr: ok. any ideas on how to control an ADP1653 LED flash on any OS then? Jul 29 15:02:42 Jucato: how you plan to do that in sdk? Jul 29 15:03:45 slonopotamus: I just wanted to test if it will even build? then I presume I'll need to cross-compile later to build a package (iirc that's what happened with the Diablo SDK) for testing when I get a device or ask a friend Jul 29 15:04:32 but that one about the flash was more for luke-jr's ... "advice" Jul 29 15:04:35 People keep inviting me to join their LinkedIn networks. Jul 29 15:04:54 The think they don't seem to understand is that I'm LAZY. Jul 29 15:05:04 etrunko. :P Jul 29 15:05:11 Jucato: you can just upload to autobuilder Jul 29 15:05:27 Jucato: instead of setting up armel target Jul 29 15:05:53 GAN900: i'd be lazier than you, your name just appeared on the suggestions Jul 29 15:06:12 ok, this one i know, this one i don't, and so on Jul 29 15:08:30 moo GAN900 Jul 29 15:12:36 ahha Jul 29 15:12:41 a spare battery for my n900 Jul 29 15:12:44 this will come handy Jul 29 15:13:25 TomaszD: now media player contains no files at all :( Jul 29 15:15:09 now wait Jul 29 15:15:15 tracker should reprocess them Jul 29 15:15:29 jacekowski: nah, it's been like this for half an hour Jul 29 15:15:29 it'll probably happen withing couple hours Jul 29 15:15:35 depending on size of collection Jul 29 15:15:35 and tracker is idle Jul 29 15:15:47 touch some files in that folder Jul 29 15:15:51 (have rebooted, restarted, beaten tracker etc) Jul 29 15:17:03 whenever i ssh from n810 maemo, i get "no xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding". My server says display is on :1.0, and n810 display :0.0, how do i get ssh forwarding with -X or -Y to work? Jul 29 15:18:05 xautherr: cool nickname :) Jul 29 15:18:19 slonopotamus: thanks Jul 29 15:18:27 xautherr: maybe one of sides doesn't have xauth? Jul 29 15:18:40 i just installed xauth on n810, let me check server Jul 29 15:19:02 both have the newest version Jul 29 15:19:46 maybe i need to restart n810 after installation of xauth, let me try that Jul 29 15:19:53 unlikely Jul 29 15:20:01 it's not windows after all Jul 29 15:20:23 maybe /etc/init.d/openbox restart or something on n810 Jul 29 15:21:19 nope, restart didn't fix it Jul 29 15:21:39 xautherr: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X-Forwarding#No_xauth_data Jul 29 15:22:17 i'll try that link, brb Jul 29 15:23:14 xautherr: and i'd first try with openssh on both ends. Jul 29 15:24:06 ssh xforwarding requires X to listen on tcp Jul 29 15:24:25 and that's not the case Jul 29 15:24:35 nope, did not help Jul 29 15:24:49 it's not going to work Jul 29 15:25:09 ssh -X from a nokia to a different machine used to work for me Jul 29 15:25:18 ssh -X from a normal machine into a nokia always failed Jul 29 15:25:27 slonopotamus: i can ssh X11 forward to other servers, but not this one, i think because display defaults to 1.0 on Ubuntu 10.04 Jul 29 15:26:16 etrunko, ah, I see now. ;) Jul 29 15:26:23 mgedmin: i can ssh out to different machines from the nokia, and inwards, but for one server i cannot forward X11, yet the sshd_config shows it and other computers can ssh into that server and X11 forward Jul 29 15:26:23 DocScrutinizer, hey-ho. Jul 29 15:26:35 is xauth installed on that server? Jul 29 15:26:50 mgedmin: says its the latest version on both Jul 29 15:27:03 hm Jul 29 15:27:12 bad permissions on ~/.Xauthority? Jul 29 15:27:15 i did a find /usr -name xauth and it shows on each also Jul 29 15:27:21 (on the server, not on the nokia) Jul 29 15:27:38 mgedmin: if it is, i must be on nokia, because i can ssh into the server from other machines and X11 forward Jul 29 15:27:45 ah Jul 29 15:27:57 but you can ssh from the nokia into a different server and have X11 forwarding work? Jul 29 15:28:04 yes Jul 29 15:29:28 i personally think its the display on the server defaulting to :1.0 and nokia ssh doesn't know how to handle that, only display :10.0 Jul 29 15:30:52 * DocScrutinizer frowns on *# download statistics going down the drain, despite http://mwkn.net/2010/30/announce.html Jul 29 15:31:39 do you think i have to export Display Auth variable? Jul 29 15:33:59 did you modify the display variable? Jul 29 15:38:48 DocScrutinizer: not many people really need these codes Jul 29 15:38:56 not many people know they exist Jul 29 15:39:34 mhm Jul 29 15:53:36 hmhm, is there an app which extracts contacts stats from el-v1.db? Jul 29 16:19:15 Got my draggable view switcher container widget working :) Jul 29 16:19:29 that's one fucking long name Jul 29 16:19:46 DraggableViewArea :P Jul 29 16:20:08 http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/me/en/ho/WF06b/321957-321957-3329744-64354-64354-4166202-4207865.html any thoughts/recommendations? Jul 29 16:20:22 need to get rid of this junk excuse for a laptop Jul 29 16:21:02 Looks small, Jul 29 16:21:08 Is it a netbook? :) Jul 29 16:21:22 Not sure I could cope with the screen resolution Jul 29 16:21:30 If you dont want junk, going for cheap HP models is propably not the best choice :) Jul 29 16:21:54 alterego, nah, it's just small Jul 29 16:22:04 13" Jul 29 16:22:08 Yeah, not bad. Jul 29 16:22:08 Kegetys, it's not exactly cheap :P Jul 29 16:22:41 Mines 15" 1920x1200 Jul 29 16:22:59 I paid extra for a high resolution screen Jul 29 16:23:04 But boy was it worth it .. Jul 29 16:23:08 hmm, just noticed the screen res Jul 29 16:23:11 it's kinda crap Jul 29 16:23:11 pavilion is the cheapest hp line isn't it Jul 29 16:23:19 That's what I said :P Jul 29 16:23:21 it's the only line afaik Jul 29 16:23:36 my current laptop's 1024x768 Jul 29 16:23:55 and that doesn't even display wiki.maemo.org properly Jul 29 16:24:00 Heh Jul 29 16:24:12 they have the probooks and something else as well Jul 29 16:24:16 * alterego was expecting you to say "My current laptop is 800x480" ;) Jul 29 16:24:30 Are you buying into the US? Jul 29 16:24:33 tbh I like this tablet, but... it's too slow Jul 29 16:24:37 elitebook too Jul 29 16:24:40 no Jul 29 16:24:45 Where? Jul 29 16:24:50 and compaq Jul 29 16:24:51 Jordan/Israel Jul 29 16:24:55 doesn't really matter :P Jul 29 16:25:05 so what's better than HP? Jul 29 16:25:11 don't say Dell, Jul 29 16:25:23 I hate their shittops and crappy customer service Jul 29 16:25:52 my asus is fine, wish it had a better screen though but 99% of laptop have a junk screen anyway Jul 29 16:26:03 i really like the thinkpad Jul 29 16:26:13 * svuorela is looking for mBarcode people or bugtracker. can anyone hand me a pointer (void*) Jul 29 16:26:16 hmm, I doubt those have good CPUs Jul 29 16:26:35 I need an i5, at the very least Jul 29 16:26:39 svuorela, lardman is principle dev, but he is on his jollies Jul 29 16:26:51 Laptops suck Jul 29 16:26:57 Desktop/N900. :P Jul 29 16:26:57 lcuk: 'jollies' ? Jul 29 16:27:02 holidays Jul 29 16:27:06 MohammadAG, MBP. Jul 29 16:27:13 nah, Panasonic toughbooks are for real geeks :-D Jul 29 16:27:14 GAN900, apple, meh Jul 29 16:27:34 all manufacturers propably have i5 models available these days Jul 29 16:27:37 GAN900, actually, scratchbox sucks more for taking down my i5 desktop Jul 29 16:27:55 ..is it just for me that mBarcode has regressed in the latest versions to not read datamatrix any longer ? Jul 29 16:28:17 svuorela, ooer Jul 29 16:28:18 CF-27 is better than a baseball bat for selfdefense Jul 29 16:28:45 lcuk: eh ? Jul 29 16:28:56 regressions are bad Jul 29 16:30:01 lcuk: especially given my latest blog post ... :) Jul 29 16:31:00 svuorela, since I am not a mind reader and contrary to popular opinion, I do not see the whole web Jul 29 16:31:07 where would I find your blog post Jul 29 16:31:17 pusling.com/blog Jul 29 16:31:36 (available on planet kde and planet debian) Jul 29 16:32:50 MohammadAG: er... thinkpads ? Jul 29 16:33:04 aren't those IBMs? Jul 29 16:33:15 * achipa ducks under safe-looking cover that turns out to be made out of cardboard and have written lenovo over them Jul 29 16:33:38 svuorela, are you making that a live plasmoid for 0 click barcodeability Jul 29 16:33:44 heh, someone else mentioned them not me Jul 29 16:33:50 MohammadAG, used to be IBM, Lenovo nowadays Jul 29 16:33:58 lcuk: no. it is part of the clipboard handling, so it requires two click. Jul 29 16:34:08 requires? Jul 29 16:34:17 lcuk: or knowing your shortcuts Jul 29 16:34:25 ctrl + c Jul 29 16:34:31 anyways I just need a laptop with a good gfx card (not for gaming tbh, but still), and a good CPU that can compile a kernel quick Jul 29 16:34:34 and barcode should show Jul 29 16:34:38 on desktop Jul 29 16:34:46 lcuk: nah. that would be a nightmare. Jul 29 16:34:46 representing whats in clipboard? Jul 29 16:34:51 MohammadAG; Bullfrog? Jul 29 16:34:57 svuorela, why? Jul 29 16:35:09 it should actually show more in more places Jul 29 16:35:10 Trizt, err? Jul 29 16:35:14 * lcuk does barcodes over irc Jul 29 16:35:15 MohammadAG: ok, good gfx =/= thinkpad... but is quite okay in the cpu department Jul 29 16:35:25 lcuk: because only like 1 of 300 copy items is interesting to see as a barcode Jul 29 16:35:35 achipa, but... why thinkpads? Jul 29 16:35:51 svuorela, shameful http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_191242._maemo.scr.png Jul 29 16:36:03 MohammadAG: the red nipple has a hypnotizing effect Jul 29 16:36:12 LOL Jul 29 16:36:20 achipa, do you have a normal nipple or an inverted one? Jul 29 16:36:57 lcuk: I have a set of 5 differently shaped nipples, not counting the built in ones Jul 29 16:37:18 MohammadAG: google toughbook cf-19 Jul 29 16:37:23 :-D Jul 29 16:37:24 MohammadAG; http://www.gdc4s.com/content/detail.cfm?item=4f9561a4-029e-4df6-ad20-20acca70bd7a&page=28 Jul 29 16:37:43 droptest certified 180cm, IP65 water resistent Jul 29 16:38:33 ugh, damn internet's so slow here Jul 29 16:38:38 DocScrutinizer: is there an alternative that is just well built, but not weighing like a lead brick ? I promise not to take it to any battlefields. Jul 29 16:38:40 harddisk heating :-P Jul 29 16:39:00 +30 mins to install vlc Jul 29 16:39:07 still looking at an alternative to X201, but there don't seem to be any Jul 29 16:40:15 and the dastardly X201 costs like an arm (not ARM) and two legs and a house Jul 29 16:41:59 lcuk: || | | | || || || Jul 29 16:42:11 crashanddie: is that your keyboard layout ? Jul 29 16:42:20 achipa: | Jul 29 16:42:46 now, this either something very funny or a font/cp that is not rendered by my irc client ;) Jul 29 16:43:05 barcodes over irc Jul 29 16:43:23 the CRC does not compute tho :p Jul 29 16:43:35 doesn't seem to work, it's too thin Jul 29 16:43:50 :P Jul 29 16:55:33 I've found Dell to be realy good with laptops, though I wouldn't get anything else from them .. Jul 29 16:55:46 I bought a cheap 9cell battery for my XPS Jul 29 16:55:52 30 quid, bargain :) Jul 29 16:56:11 Got a replacement screen for my Mini 9 after my girlfriend stood on it. Jul 29 16:58:29 I'm thinking about replacing this 15,4 screen with a wuxga matte Jul 29 16:58:40 glare is getting *old* Jul 29 16:58:45 alterego: depends on your support requirements, I guess. Mine is that I should never ever need support, if I do, I'm in trouble :) Jul 29 16:59:06 achipa: I've never needed support from Dell Jul 29 16:59:31 I was lucky though, apparently some of the earlier revisions of the M1530 had a defective nVidia graphics chip Jul 29 16:59:38 But that wasn't Dell's fault tbh. Jul 29 16:59:52 TomaszD: I still quite like the glossy .. Jul 29 17:00:10 Blacks look blacker to me. Jul 29 17:00:13 alterego, ouch. Jul 29 17:00:23 alterego, IMHO the person who invented them things should hang Jul 29 17:00:28 but that's just IMHO Jul 29 17:01:41 I've had my M1530 about 2 1/2 years, no issues with it, though now some of the keys are a little worn and there's a small 1x2mm chip that I accidentally caused whilst throwing my phone onto my bed. Jul 29 17:01:50 It bounced up and went flying into the laptop screen :/ Jul 29 17:02:44 funny that in the end of the CRT era they marketed anti-glare screens and now adding extra-glare is worth lots of marketing bucks Jul 29 17:03:10 Trewas: it's always what you DONT have Jul 29 17:03:45 laptops with glare screens look better on shop shelves Jul 29 17:03:48 Trewas: I'm silently expecting 4:3 to make a comeback, as you know, someone will discover you have more vertical space Jul 29 17:03:51 there was no other way Jul 29 17:04:15 achipa: well, look at tables, they're taking wide aspect vertical ;) Jul 29 17:04:20 For good reason. Jul 29 17:04:30 hmm Jul 29 17:04:33 Laptops however I'm not sure if they'll ever go back the way of 4:3 Jul 29 17:04:35 TomaszD: color ARE better on some models, but the reflection thing is so bad it kills any advantage Jul 29 17:04:39 I meant tablets .. Jul 29 17:04:43 mine is 4:3 :P Jul 29 17:04:51 achipa, indeed Jul 29 17:05:01 glare is good for basement dwellers Jul 29 17:05:09 I need sunlight readability Jul 29 17:05:22 I wish they'd at least stick with 16:10 instead of 19:9 crap Jul 29 17:05:31 16:9 Jul 29 17:05:41 hah, that's why I'm sticking with my almost 3-year old 16:10 laptop Jul 29 17:06:18 sunlight ? a lit window is enough, people already treat me like a weirdo because I have to position the laptop like Sheldon finds his spot on the sofa... Jul 29 17:06:33 Heh Jul 29 17:06:38 though the weirdo part might be because of the linux thing :P Jul 29 17:06:58 Heh Jul 29 17:07:13 16:9 is not terrible if it's 1920x1080, but those expensive models with 1366x768 15.6 inchers... really annoying Jul 29 17:07:50 hey is there an update on playing 720p videos on the n900? Jul 29 17:08:01 that's why I'm eyeing a wuxga 1920x1200 15,4 incher Jul 29 17:08:12 alschroe, no. Jul 29 17:08:27 so not possible ? Jul 29 17:08:31 sucks Jul 29 17:08:38 alschroe: you wouldn't be able to tell if it was 720p anyway Jul 29 17:08:41 the screen is 480p so whats the point Jul 29 17:08:48 I hate resizing them before watching Jul 29 17:08:53 the only point is transcoding Jul 29 17:08:54 right Jul 29 17:09:14 alschroe: download the standard divx size and voila Jul 29 17:09:31 yeah and if i am at a friends i only have the small file to share Jul 29 17:09:43 a fate worse than death, surely :) Jul 29 17:10:07 even worse than living ! Jul 29 17:10:11 you could try using mplayer or vlc Jul 29 17:10:19 then download both, plenty of space Jul 29 17:10:31 TomaszD: nope doesn't work as far as i know Jul 29 17:10:42 it does work, but badly :) Jul 29 17:10:48 alschroe: so you want to share them or watch them ? Jul 29 17:11:50 watch em on my n900 when I am on the road but when I stay at a friends place and we decide to "watch a movie" its good to have one in your pocket Jul 29 17:12:42 but why 720p then ? I mean, you could say you want 1080p playback then :) Jul 29 17:13:47 but, not to nitpick, that is not what the N900's processor is made for, so no, no 720p Jul 29 17:14:12 s/processor/SoC/g Jul 29 17:14:14 achipa meant: but, not to nitpick, that is not what the N900's SoC is made for, so no, no 720p Jul 29 17:27:26 achipa: I would be happy with 1080p Jul 29 17:27:40 but maybe you can help me get the max Jul 29 17:27:57 whats the perfect size for the n900 Jul 29 17:27:58 ? Jul 29 17:28:26 alschroe: 800x480 :) Jul 29 17:28:44 :) Jul 29 17:29:01 if you say it like that it makes me look stupid :( Jul 29 17:29:25 it *can* decode higher res than that, though, but it depends on a lot of things if it's watchable Jul 29 17:29:33 alschroe: yes. Jul 29 17:30:09 And if you're watching it on the N900, there's no quality gains from higher resolution Jul 29 17:30:33 alschroe: because even the video you record on the cam is higher res than that Jul 29 17:31:00 alschroe: but the problem with 720p material is that it will be too much of a bitrate, and of a wrong profile Jul 29 17:31:32 The video recorded from the cam is almost always jerky for me Jul 29 17:31:49 so you could probably craft a 720p file that plays back... but if you're transcoding anyway, why bother... Jul 29 17:33:02 SpeedEvil: just recording, or playback, too ? Jul 29 17:33:19 recording Jul 29 17:33:43 that's 'normal', idiot tracker and other processes clog write IO Jul 29 17:35:14 I just don't know when will someone finally realize that those metalayer-crawler/trackerd/whateveryoucallit are simply the wrong approach, media should not be processed until it is requested or the device is in standby Jul 29 17:35:31 just like symbian Jul 29 17:35:48 trackerd kicks in when the battery's low here xD Jul 29 17:36:12 achipa: it'd work fine if they used a sane I/O layer Jul 29 17:36:24 MohammadAG: you don't want to know how often I curse trackerd (and how juicy those curses are) Jul 29 17:36:33 moo. Jul 29 17:36:48 RST38h: Did I link you to the mention of fbreader on the radio? Jul 29 17:36:55 Oh - it's probably died. Jul 29 17:37:03 no, not really Jul 29 17:37:10 but fbreader not my project anyway Jul 29 17:37:14 luke-jr: sure, better IO would help but even then, trackkers and thumbnailers SHOULD NOT INTERFERE with operation Jul 29 17:37:35 true Jul 29 17:38:03 why is IO so slow on the N900 btw Jul 29 17:38:29 achipa: they wouldn't, if IO worked sane Jul 29 17:38:37 MohammadAG: because it's SSD crap Jul 29 17:38:51 shouldn't SSD be fast? Jul 29 17:38:53 SSD is slow Jul 29 17:38:56 luke-jr: how so ? Jul 29 17:38:58 at least small SSD Jul 29 17:39:07 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t384n#synopsis 20:16 Jul 29 17:39:08 it's not SSD Jul 29 17:39:31 achipa: a sane IO layer would prioritize actual user interaction over backgroud stuff Jul 29 17:39:34 it is SSD Jul 29 17:39:35 SD and MMC cards fundamentally have unpredictable delays. Jul 29 17:39:54 Up to a second or even more worst case for a block write Jul 29 17:40:09 luke-jr: no, it's not helping, here's an example: Jul 29 17:40:36 luke-jr: I copy over a video to my N900 via USB, disconnect it, start media player and try to watch it Jul 29 17:41:16 luke-jr: this results in massive suckage because all the daemons kick in to generate thumbnails and whatnot - which ARE show by the media player Jul 29 17:41:31 achipa: that's because it sucks at prioritizing things Jul 29 17:41:48 luke-jr: so there is no easy way to tell what's really background and what's waited upon Jul 29 17:41:56 Stskeeps: do you know how to flash n900 with usb cable? Jul 29 17:42:03 achipa: … of course there is Jul 29 17:42:12 Stskeeps: with phoenix Jul 29 17:42:35 jacekowski: uhm, same way as flasher-3.5 does it Jul 29 17:42:47 the alternative version is cold flash Jul 29 17:42:52 with usb cable? Jul 29 17:42:58 or i need flashing jig? Jul 29 17:43:04 afaik phoenix doesn't do anything shiny Jul 29 17:43:07 luke-jr: err, it's not a technical problem. There is genuinely no way to tell whether a user is waiting to see a thumbnail or thinking what he'll pick Jul 29 17:43:09 (i dont have phoenix) Jul 29 17:43:12 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 Jul 29 17:43:13 Bug 6108: tracker takes cpu and time when scanning media Jul 29 17:43:28 i believe actually its very cured compared to reported result Jul 29 17:43:30 how do you coldflash it then? Jul 29 17:43:39 * lcuk nas not noticed such lengthy delays recently Jul 29 17:44:26 -c, --cold-flash "Cold flash" the device Jul 29 17:44:42 lcuk: depends on the quantity of the video material Jul 29 17:45:18 lcuk: add 20 clips and you'll see a countdown timer - that's the one I hate most. That's not even prioritizing - that's plain dumb. Jul 29 17:45:21 achipa: if he's waiting, then idle time = 100% Jul 29 17:45:23 achipa, using same type of movies i dont notice delays as such whenever i move stuff over Jul 29 17:46:07 luke-jr: and then you start thumbnailing and he picks a video... and then gstreamer turns into gscreamer Jul 29 17:46:27 achipa: you clearly don't have a clue Jul 29 17:46:28 lcuk: it *might* be codec dependent Jul 29 17:46:37 luke-jr: granted Jul 29 17:49:49 it often takes a minute or two for n900 to scan and thumbnail new videos, it is quite stupid as it does not even show the video thumbnails anywhere... Jul 29 17:50:09 achipa, biggest issue with things like this is that most folks are unwilling/unable to upload video files to confirm fixes Jul 29 17:50:25 and/or reproduce bug Jul 29 17:51:23 lcuk: it's a bit... unwieldy. but I agree it's a not overly well reported/reproducable issue Jul 29 17:52:44 lcuk: there was also the issue of gstreamer/dsp/whoever being picky/poisoned, i.e. not acting the same way if previously played back certain videos - those are the hardest to reproduce as you have to find what you watched BEFORE that might trigger the issues Jul 29 17:52:45 Photos won't show me anything anymore Jul 29 18:08:51 hmm Jul 29 18:09:02 any way to get cameras default save dir? Jul 29 18:09:54 /home/user/Mydocs/DCIM or if oyu have an MMC, then that Jul 29 18:10:14 Hello All ! Jul 29 18:11:41 hey there Khertan \o Jul 29 18:11:45 how goes it Jul 29 18:11:52 fine and you lcuk ? Jul 29 18:12:06 lcuk: any magic place where camera saves the location so i dont have to check if mmc is present? :P Jul 29 18:12:19 good Khertan Jul 29 18:12:36 frals, its just a folder, if the mmc/DCIM is missing, default to MyDocs version? Jul 29 18:12:44 thats how I think it works :$ Jul 29 18:12:47 hmm, i just wiped bootloader Jul 29 18:12:53 * lcuk might be completely wrong Jul 29 18:14:02 jacekowski: fail Jul 29 18:14:42 jacekowski: nice Jul 29 18:14:58 didn't you do that some time ago? Jul 29 18:15:14 no Jul 29 18:15:45 salut Khertan Jul 29 18:16:35 frals, gconftool-2 -R /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings Jul 29 18:16:42 storage-device = 1 Jul 29 18:16:44 :) Jul 29 18:16:48 salut crashanddie Jul 29 18:16:51 Khertan: cheers Jul 29 18:16:57 * luke-jr salutes crashanddie Jul 29 18:17:09 might as well do if isdir(mmc1/DCIM) then :D Jul 29 18:17:22 lol Jul 29 18:17:36 thanks Khertan \o Jul 29 18:17:38 :) Jul 29 18:18:02 when i didn't found any conf file for something in my n900 Jul 29 18:18:04 hiya luke-jr Jul 29 18:18:15 i use gconftool-2 -R | grep whatisearch Jul 29 18:18:16 :) Jul 29 18:18:25 hi Jul 29 18:18:28 i use gconftool-2 -R / | grep whatisearch Jul 29 18:18:59 * Khertan hate gconf Jul 29 18:19:00 :) Jul 29 18:19:08 srs Jul 29 18:19:28 awesome Khertan Jul 29 18:19:28 i like the idea, but it's a pain to work with, kind of like the hal bits Jul 29 18:19:35 Can I somehow with any amount of hacking/soldering/etc connect things like usb keyboards or other usb stuff to my N900? Jul 29 18:19:52 dunz0r, do not underestimate the power of superglue Jul 29 18:19:58 He. Jul 29 18:20:03 i'm not sure about you, but i wouldnt want to solder stuff to a $500 phone Jul 29 18:20:22 usb stuff .... hum ... Just need a cable ? Jul 29 18:20:23 lol Jul 29 18:20:24 du Jul 29 18:20:24 er Jul 29 18:20:25 * lcuk has seen someone with a melted n900 after an "experiment" Jul 29 18:20:39 in theory with generic host mode will be posible Jul 29 18:20:41 pronto: Well, Ok. Me neither. I meant building some adapter-power-supplier-thing Jul 29 18:20:48 but not sure the progress of the project Jul 29 18:20:51 ah Jul 29 18:21:00 mine fly by the window car as my experimental car holder didn't grip well Jul 29 18:21:03 dunz0r: usb host works somewhat Jul 29 18:21:03 but it's not ready Jul 29 18:21:07 dunz0r, the USB hostmode stuff is a bit stalled but theoretically feasible with some driver hits Jul 29 18:21:15 Hmm :) Jul 29 18:21:28 If it's just a power issue, I'll just build an adaptor. Jul 29 18:21:33 Khertan: did it work afterwards Jul 29 18:21:34 realistically, BT hookup would be more viable atm Jul 29 18:21:34 ? Jul 29 18:21:54 lcuk: usb-over-bluetooth! Jul 29 18:21:57 did someone get serial comms working out of the ports under battery? Jul 29 18:21:59 it's brilliant Jul 29 18:22:01 kerio, yep ... just drop on grass ... Jul 29 18:22:07 kerio, arduino unit uses it Jul 29 18:22:11 lcuk: Unfortunately, there aren't alot of bt-to-usb-thingies Jul 29 18:22:18 Not that I know of anyway. Jul 29 18:22:23 grass in a swamp Jul 29 18:22:24 :) Jul 29 18:22:24 not necessarily usb Jul 29 18:22:30 but serial Jul 29 18:22:36 or wifi ! Jul 29 18:22:39 :) Jul 29 18:22:44 Well... I can't connect a usb monitor to serial :) Jul 29 18:22:55 * lcuk sends and recieves data using screen and camera Jul 29 18:23:12 dunz0r, why not ... Jul 29 18:23:12 I can buy a portable TV instead... but it's not the same thing. Jul 29 18:23:19 :) Jul 29 18:23:35 Khertan: I don't think there's enough bandwidth. Otherwise I would have no problem with it :) Jul 29 18:23:44 dunz0r, true Jul 29 18:23:56 dunz0r, if you understand USB at a low level kernel then the guys making hostmode could do with some help Jul 29 18:24:25 lcuk: Depends on how lowlevel you mean. Jul 29 18:24:31 someone have try meego handset on his n900 ? Jul 29 18:24:43 I know how it works, but I don't have the inner understandings of protocols and such. Jul 29 18:24:45 dunz0r, kernel driver state transition table kind of low level Jul 29 18:24:52 i would like to try my first meego apps :) Jul 29 18:25:06 Aha, not that lowlevel unfortunately. Jul 29 18:25:12 speaking of meego Jul 29 18:25:18 I have no problems testing stuff though. Jul 29 18:25:21 the latter widgetsgallery doesn't install Jul 29 18:25:25 needs qt4.7 Jul 29 18:25:35 4.7 is in -devel afaik Jul 29 18:25:37 which is silly Jul 29 18:25:42 extras devel? Jul 29 18:25:47 * dunz0r wants usb host mode so he can buy a mimo monitor and have the coolest laptop ever Jul 29 18:25:50 * lcuk nods Jul 29 18:26:00 lcuk, i don't think its there Jul 29 18:26:07 dunz0r, you have n900 - ergo, you already have the coolest laptop ever Jul 29 18:26:09 libmeegotouch is in extras devel too Jul 29 18:26:35 it claims qt4.7 is "unavailable" Jul 29 18:27:47 * lcuk hmms Jul 29 18:27:55 hmm Jul 29 18:28:10 hm Jul 29 18:28:11 is setting default dir when attaching image for mms to camera dir a good idea or not? Jul 29 18:28:13 * tripzero checks again Jul 29 18:28:39 frals i would say ... no Jul 29 18:28:47 * tripzero wants to run meego apps on maemo... Jul 29 18:29:03 Khertan: why not? :) Jul 29 18:29:08 libqt4-experimental-gui Jul 29 18:29:10 * tripzero yells at nokia: "fix ur libmeegotouch-dev package!!" Jul 29 18:29:12 * lcuk ahhhs Jul 29 18:29:24 tripzero, yell louder :) Jul 29 18:29:30 frals, keep the last used folder for attaching mms image Jul 29 18:29:35 can't, i'm out of breath now Jul 29 18:29:42 frals, yes Jul 29 18:29:45 Khertan: good idea Jul 29 18:29:52 but retain selection during a session? Jul 29 18:29:54 lol Jul 29 18:30:06 * lcuk actually looks up sometimes Jul 29 18:30:42 * Khertan is away ... Jul 29 18:30:44 bye Jul 29 18:30:50 i mean really... widgetsgallery is fun... for like 2 mins Jul 29 18:31:12 imho, the real value of even putting in in maemo is so users can install meego apps Jul 29 18:31:43 and developers can, yanno, develop meego apps and test them on something Jul 29 18:31:47 heh Jul 29 18:32:06 ...and have a phone at the same time Jul 29 18:32:10 tripzero, also since qt runs anywhere they have to :P Jul 29 18:32:47 ok Jul 29 18:32:50 coldflashing still works Jul 29 18:32:52 but on linux Jul 29 18:32:57 on windows it's no go Jul 29 18:33:12 because phone disconnects before windows manages to install drivers Jul 29 18:43:35 hi, how can I install a .install file from command line? Jul 29 18:46:07 hya..is it possible to customize the conky app like on a nix desktop? Jul 29 18:46:53 right now conky is only an app right? its not a desktop add on like in *nix..right? Jul 29 18:51:00 zeltak: I think it is just like a normal conky, except it's run in a window. Jul 29 18:51:13 Make your own ~/.conkyrc and see for yourself. Jul 29 18:52:12 oh, total download count from repos + garage is over half a million now for fmms Jul 29 18:52:13 \o/ Jul 29 18:53:12 * dunz0r reads the thread on USB OTG Jul 29 18:53:14 :( Jul 29 18:53:23 Where can I get updates on this btw? Jul 29 18:54:05 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host :O Jul 29 18:54:16 Why didn't I find this an hour ago! Jul 29 18:54:21 there Jul 29 18:54:34 in that page you will find update of that project Jul 29 18:56:34 thx dunz0r ill try creating a .conkyrc Jul 29 18:58:49 would have been cool to have conky in one of the virtual desktops though :) Jul 29 18:59:35 zeltak: Try and put in in the root window and see what happens :) Jul 29 18:59:47 I mean removing the own_window or whatever the option is. Jul 29 19:00:49 ha? i dont follow dunz0r (sorry i only have the n900 for a few days :)) Jul 29 19:01:29 zeltak: There you go. http://conky.sourceforge.net/config_settings.html Jul 29 19:01:57 zeltak: Set own_window to no in your .conkyrc and see what happens :) Jul 29 19:04:17 gotcha :) thx dunz0r :) Jul 29 19:27:34 who already success in submetting a packet available now in application manager? Jul 29 19:28:21 I need to find out how this mystery work Jul 29 19:30:12 Hi guy!! Where can I find media player icons of maemo ? Jul 29 19:30:26 hackytae: there's plenty of documentation on uploading packages on the wiki Jul 29 19:31:12 Thanks alterego, I go there now Jul 29 19:41:42 does somebody know where can I download hildon icons on my desktop ? Jul 29 19:48:15 tmo down? Jul 29 19:48:33 nvm Jul 29 19:54:28 nobody ? Jul 29 19:54:40 X-Fade, mind checking out bug 11022? Jul 29 19:54:41 ? where can I find Hildon icons for maemo5 ? Jul 29 19:54:41 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11022 request be the maintainer of my package Jul 29 19:54:55 /usr/share/icons Jul 29 19:57:00 damn Jul 29 19:57:06 I wish the N900 had a bigger antenna Jul 29 19:57:19 buy an iphone4 Jul 29 19:57:28 DrIDK, http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/ Jul 29 19:57:41 lightning provides hundreds of thousands of volts, and has been recorded up to 800000 amps Jul 29 19:57:52 instant charging Jul 29 19:57:55 enough to solve all host mode problems Jul 29 19:59:49 MohammadAG: tx Jul 29 20:07:11 crashanddie: my saying .. some external antenna connectors on the n900 would be the ultimate geek plaything Jul 29 20:09:19 Is it an easy way to access to icon instead :/usr/share/hicolor/48x48/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ? Jul 29 20:10:35 huh? Jul 29 20:13:38 MohammadAG: for example QICon ( path("hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ")) instead QIcon(/usr/share/hicolor/48x48/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ) Jul 29 20:13:45 I m just asking because KDE use KIcon Jul 29 20:16:18 DrIDK: QIcon::fromTheme("pdf_viewer_last_page.png") Jul 29 20:16:22 DrIDK: you can put the full path in a variable and do something like : $FULL_PATH/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png Jul 29 20:16:48 QIcon::fromTheme() does all that for you Jul 29 20:17:05 E0x: yep yep.. I know I was just asking for something like QIcon::fromTheme Jul 29 20:17:08 damn, and I was coding an ugly one-liner :P Jul 29 20:17:11 ok Jul 29 20:17:23 :) Jul 29 20:17:28 crashanddie, ugly injection patch? :P Jul 29 20:17:53 DrIDK: actually, don't put .png after the name either ;) Jul 29 20:18:05 Should just be QIcon::fromTheme("general_fullsize") or whatever. Jul 29 20:18:31 alterego: ?QIcon::fromTheme("pdf_viewer_last_page") Jul 29 20:18:38 dirty: yeah Jul 29 20:18:49 Erm, DrIDK yeah ;) Jul 29 20:18:51 alterego: works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks Jul 29 20:18:54 (silly autocomplete) :) Jul 29 20:18:58 No problem Jul 29 20:21:18 Is it impossible to have add-apt-repository on maemo? Jul 29 20:24:17 MohammadAG: I wish Jul 29 20:29:42 hackytae: you can add it using any text editor Jul 29 20:30:08 How ? Jul 29 20:30:19 google Jul 29 20:30:37 and using space before "?" is incorrect Jul 29 20:30:52 <_llll_> in english Jul 29 20:30:52 It's a command line, a tool to have install before Jul 29 20:31:04 How a text editor can replace it? Jul 29 20:31:28 all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Jul 29 20:31:29 all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d Jul 29 20:31:31 all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list Jul 29 20:31:34 there Jul 29 20:31:52 for example Jul 29 20:31:52 deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main Jul 29 20:32:42 * mgedmin will put a space before ? if he ends a sentence with a url, e.g. "have you seen this -- http://www.google.com ?" Jul 29 20:34:35 <_llll_> better to not end a sentence with a url Jul 29 20:36:37 there is not a sourcesList file on maemo Jul 29 20:36:52 mgedmin: parenthesises are a bitch, too :P Jul 29 20:37:11 that's what she lisp Jul 29 20:37:44 Sorry, I found the file Jul 29 20:38:48 I'm having a problem with storage on my N900... It says I only have 110MB free, when looking at memory usage, it says there are 20+GB of audio files on the device, but there are definitely less than 10... not sure what is going on anyone have an idea? Jul 29 20:39:08 thanks jacekowski Jul 29 20:39:23 MohammadAG51: which account are you on? 51 or AG? Jul 29 20:40:04 Dantonic: it lied to you Jul 29 20:40:34 :( Jul 29 20:40:51 so what's the deal? it's just displaying wrong information? I do actually have that space? Jul 29 20:40:54 it's a VFAT filesystem, maybe the space is all in "lost clusters" or whatever they're called Jul 29 20:40:58 run dosfsck on it Jul 29 20:41:01 how do I recover them? Jul 29 20:41:13 I ran fsck Jul 29 20:41:23 but maybe not with the correct parameters Jul 29 20:41:40 it's trackerd's fault! Jul 29 20:41:44 it always is Jul 29 20:42:07 Dantonic, if you did not pass either -r or -a to dosfsck, then it didn't change anything Jul 29 20:42:25 also, be sure to unmount before you fsck! Jul 29 20:43:06 I just ran a "sudo fsck -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1" Jul 29 20:44:04 dosfsck? Jul 29 20:44:06 mgedmin, style wise, my usual one if I use punctuation is: have you seen this? http://google.com Jul 29 20:44:09 is that the same as fsck? Jul 29 20:44:45 fsck determines the fs type and invokes the right tool, dosfsck in this case Jul 29 20:45:00 Dantonic: there is lot of different filesystems on n900 Jul 29 20:45:19 I see Jul 29 20:45:28 Dantonic: and that 110M of free looks like it's displayinf free space on rootfs Jul 29 20:45:33 I don't know if -f or -y are sufficient Jul 29 20:45:50 run fsck twice; if it reports the same errors again, then it didn't fix anything Jul 29 20:45:58 jacekowski, well when I check the "memory details" it tells me I have 20GB of audio in use... but that's incorrect Jul 29 20:46:01 it's wrong by more than 10GB Jul 29 20:46:04 hm, -y is an alias for -a Jul 29 20:46:06 and I checked every folder Jul 29 20:46:07 so it should've worked Jul 29 20:46:17 hmmm Jul 29 20:46:20 I didn't unmount however mgedmin Jul 29 20:46:23 eek Jul 29 20:46:23 that's tracker info Jul 29 20:46:30 fsck'ing a live system can corrupt it badly Jul 29 20:46:32 afaik Jul 29 20:46:35 ouch Jul 29 20:46:53 mgedmin: fscking live filesystem will fsck it up Jul 29 20:46:59 so do a "sudo umount /dev/mmcblk0p1" ? Jul 29 20:47:08 no Jul 29 20:47:11 sudo gainroot Jul 29 20:47:20 umount /dev/mmcwhatever Jul 29 20:47:35 what's the difference? Jul 29 20:47:48 the default sudo setup doesn't let you sudo arbitrary-command Jul 29 20:47:50 sudo umount is not going to work Jul 29 20:47:52 which is stupid imho but oh well Jul 29 20:48:06 mgedmin: it's not stupid Jul 29 20:48:32 mgedmin: because if it would allow running any command then you could run everything as root Jul 29 20:48:33 de gustibus non disputandum Jul 29 20:48:39 resource is busy... Jul 29 20:48:44 don't think anything is accessing it atm Jul 29 20:48:51 lsof will help Jul 29 20:48:51 jacekowski, hello, I can already run anything as root if I can "sudo gainroot" Jul 29 20:48:55 the only diff is convenience Jul 29 20:49:12 mgedmin: thing is that malicious program can't Jul 29 20:49:20 yeah right Jul 29 20:49:26 please define "malicious program" Jul 29 20:49:28 omg lsof! Jul 29 20:49:34 filled up too much Jul 29 20:49:35 every .deb's postinst script is run with root privs Jul 29 20:49:55 exploited browser for example Jul 29 20:49:57 hm Jul 29 20:50:03 can I just force the umount? how do I do that? Jul 29 20:50:10 Dantonic: it's not going to work Jul 29 20:50:17 Dantonic: umount -l may work Jul 29 20:50:23 jacekowski: what does gainroot check? Jul 29 20:50:23 lol Jul 29 20:50:24 Dantonic, plug in a USB cable, and the n900 will do its best to umount it Jul 29 20:50:24 ty Jul 29 20:50:40 MohammadAG51: http://www.valot.fi/kalle/tmp/wl12xx/20090429/ Jul 29 20:50:51 kerio: thing is that gainroot always executes shell Jul 29 20:50:57 kerio: and then you have to type your command Jul 29 20:50:58 i see Jul 29 20:51:11 jacekowski, echo id|sudo gainroot Jul 29 20:51:14 zero protection Jul 29 20:51:22 O_o Jul 29 20:51:28 mgedmin: are you sure? Jul 29 20:51:30 ok so now I can run fsck -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1 ya? Jul 29 20:51:32 just tried it on my n900 Jul 29 20:51:36 <_llll_> what kind of "protection" did you expect? Jul 29 20:51:40 well, that should be fixed Jul 29 20:51:50 you assume it *can* be fixed Jul 29 20:52:03 anything you let the user do, programs can do on the user's behalf Jul 29 20:52:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7n8GqewJ2M Jul 29 20:52:22 unless you ask the user to solve a captcha every time she tries sudo gainroot ;) Jul 29 20:52:39 <_llll_> "fixed"? what are you guys on about? Jul 29 20:52:53 well, maemo is security disaster anyways Jul 29 20:53:01 and nobody does anything about remote exploits Jul 29 20:53:04 well it checked clusters... says 440582/442377 Jul 29 20:53:08 not sure what that means Jul 29 20:53:18 a progress bar, no? Jul 29 20:54:22 crashanddie, can't see an injection patch, you got me overexcited Jul 29 20:55:10 well, mounted it back, still shows 112MB available :( Jul 29 20:56:10 mgedmin, there could be a separate physical button that does sudo gainroot :) Jul 29 20:56:37 Dantonic, and du /home/MyDocs says what? Jul 29 20:56:43 ahhh Jul 29 20:56:44 ffs Jul 29 20:56:49 nolo is signed Jul 29 20:56:58 so? Jul 29 20:57:00 but there is no cert Jul 29 20:57:02 flux, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4 Jul 29 20:57:14 MohammadAG: can I spam you? Jul 29 20:57:15 it's not using HS stuff Jul 29 20:57:25 it's verified by x-loader Jul 29 20:57:43 crashanddie, sure Jul 29 20:58:14 what do you mean mgedmin? Jul 29 20:58:50 the 'du' command computes the size taken by a directory, recursively Jul 29 20:59:23 and of course I meant 'du /home/user/MyDocs' Jul 29 20:59:36 oh Jul 29 21:00:14 it's listing all directories I guess Jul 29 21:00:25 is there a way to make it list the total size or something? Jul 29 21:00:32 du -sh Jul 29 21:01:15 but you want it to list all directories Jul 29 21:01:15 26.9G :( Jul 29 21:01:22 then you'll be able to see where those gigs live Jul 29 21:01:44 or you could du -chs ~/MyDocs/* Jul 29 21:01:45 how do I make it list a little at a time? there are too many, it = Jul 29 21:01:48 to see an overview of just 1 level Jul 29 21:01:54 ok Jul 29 21:01:58 and then repeat it for the largest subdirectory Jul 29 21:02:04 Dantonic: you can | less it Jul 29 21:02:11 Dantonic: du /home/user/MyDocs | more Jul 29 21:02:23 caveat: this misses hidden directories (those with names that start with a dot), but then again VFAT doesn't allow filenames to start with a dot, so forget it Jul 29 21:03:48 hah with du -chs ~/MyDocs/* I get a total of 14.2G Jul 29 21:03:57 all the directories look correct Jul 29 21:04:01 the space they take up I mean Jul 29 21:04:08 I guess it must be in a hidden directory? Jul 29 21:04:54 interesting Jul 29 21:05:00 ls -lA MyDocs Jul 29 21:05:12 <_llll_> most things are in .documents Jul 29 21:05:17 <_llll_> or .sounds and the others Jul 29 21:05:17 oh duh! Jul 29 21:05:26 I feel so stupid for forgetting that Jul 29 21:05:34 what's that? Jul 29 21:05:36 (and assuming vfat wouldn't allow it) Jul 29 21:05:52 the standard locations for Documents, Videos, Audio files are ~/MyDocs/.documents etc. Jul 29 21:06:03 <_llll_> it's some bizarre way to allow "Documents" to be translated or something Jul 29 21:06:05 it's so they can be translated into different languages without renaming the actual directories Jul 29 21:06:05 oh Jul 29 21:06:15 I see Jul 29 21:06:35 so how should I check that? du -chs ~/MyDocs/.documents/* Jul 29 21:07:04 <_llll_> du -sh ~/MyDocs/.documents Jul 29 21:07:09 <_llll_> what does c do? Jul 29 21:07:41 uhm... 65.8M Jul 29 21:07:44 how the service provider name get draw in the screen ? Jul 29 21:07:49 xlib or something ? Jul 29 21:07:53 that's just pointing to the "Documents" folder Jul 29 21:07:57 within MyDocs Jul 29 21:08:15 the file manager said "audio files", right? Jul 29 21:08:21 yeah Jul 29 21:08:22 so du -chs ~/MyDocs/.sounds Jul 29 21:08:44 -c is probably only useful if you du more than one argument Jul 29 21:08:50 I have it hardwired in my fingers Jul 29 21:08:51 ya 7.6M Jul 29 21:08:56 since I never remember if I want -c or -s Jul 29 21:08:59 I have all my music in a separate folder called "Music" Jul 29 21:09:05 <_llll_> s is "summary" Jul 29 21:09:18 well, we've established that you've got 26 gigs of filed in MyDocs Jul 29 21:09:23 now you want to know where Jul 29 21:09:39 ncdu is nice Jul 29 21:09:41 and we know it's in a hidden folder, since du -chs MyDocs/* finds only 14 gigs Jul 29 21:09:54 or there was that gui thing Jul 29 21:09:58 so how do we search just the hidden folders? Jul 29 21:10:02 so du -chs ~/MyDocs/.[a-zA-Z]* Jul 29 21:10:27 <_llll_> fand hope it isnt names .000-horse-p0rn Jul 29 21:10:27 so why wouldn't du -chs ~/MyDocs/.* work? Jul 29 21:10:34 u gotta put the a-z stuff? Jul 29 21:10:37 shell kinda sucks; there's no way to "match .* except for . and ..", and you don't want to du /home/user/MyDocs/../ == /home/user ... Jul 29 21:10:50 http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 fsck that, laptop completely refuses to play, N900 is doing diashow on medium quality, and total crap on low quality Jul 29 21:10:52 wow, perfect timing ;) Jul 29 21:11:39 Is somebody very very nice , to help me to push my first application via ssh/git ? Jul 29 21:11:40 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Jul 29 21:11:47 DocScrutinizer51++ Jul 29 21:11:56 12.1G home/user/MyDocs/.Trash-1000 Jul 29 21:12:02 he he! Jul 29 21:12:03 it's the trash bin??!!! Jul 29 21:12:04 wtf! Jul 29 21:12:25 how do I empty the trash bin!! Jul 29 21:12:27 :P Jul 29 21:12:34 maemo doesn't use one; it must be from a time you used the usb cable with a linux laptop Jul 29 21:12:45 don't these normally ask "do you want to empty your recycle bin before ejecting"? Jul 29 21:12:52 anyway, rm -r ~/MyDocs/.Trash-1000 Jul 29 21:12:54 or rm -rf Jul 29 21:13:07 "If women are so bloody perfect at multi-tasking, how come they can't have a headache and sex at the same time?" Jul 29 21:13:09 well idk I've only connected it with my desktop... Ubuntu 9.10 Jul 29 21:13:21 and I did transfer about 12 GB of stuff at one point Jul 29 21:13:23 that must be it Jul 29 21:13:27 then deleted it on the device Jul 29 21:13:39 this was months ago Jul 29 21:14:10 omg thanks so much guys Jul 29 21:14:14 thanks for the help Jul 29 21:14:52 so how can I avoid this in the future? If I transfer files and delete make sure I empty recycle bin before ejecting the drive? Or just delete straight on the N900? Jul 29 21:14:56 after disconnecting USB? Jul 29 21:15:14 i install the scratchbox at my netbook now i need move install it in my desktop , i can use the /scratchbox folder for not download everything again ? Jul 29 21:15:22 how i can reuse it ? Jul 29 21:15:43 E0x: you must be a tree-hugger. Recycling bytes. Jul 29 21:16:10 crashanddie: ? Jul 29 21:16:20 E0x: you can copy over the users directory, but nothing else Jul 29 21:17:33 argh it's not deleting it! Jul 29 21:18:45 Dantonic: I'd sugest a `ln -s /dev/null MyDocs/.Trash-1000` but alas it won't work like that on crappy VFAT fs Jul 29 21:19:00 it's ok got it Jul 29 21:19:16 just did a rm -r .Trash* Jul 29 21:19:19 :) Jul 29 21:19:24 Dantonic, in Nautilus on ubuntu, Edit, Preferences, check option to include a delete command that bypasses waste bin Jul 29 21:19:27 yay I have my 12 GB back!!! Jul 29 21:19:28 and use it Jul 29 21:19:37 that'll stop it happening again Jul 29 21:19:41 yep, but about the >> so how can I avoid this in the future?<< part Jul 29 21:19:53 oh I see thanks Jul 29 21:20:11 ln -s /dev/null MyDocs/.Trash-1000 what does that do exactly? Jul 29 21:20:16 maybe just never use simple 'delete' instead always use shift-'delete' on Buntkuh Jul 29 21:20:27 when deleting from attached USB Jul 29 21:20:42 well basically as long as I DO NOT delete while it's attached on USB... I should be fine right? Jul 29 21:20:53 yep - lol Jul 29 21:20:57 Dantonic, yes but that's overkill Jul 29 21:21:23 Dantonic: ever gave mc a try? Jul 29 21:21:26 just add a real delete option to your Nautilus menus Jul 29 21:21:52 blarghh gnome Jul 29 21:22:27 indeed... and shift-delete doesn't work as you might hope Jul 29 21:22:49 yep, prolly KDE fancy Jul 29 21:22:50 what does it mean : Please make sure you have filled in your garage credentials to ~/.netrc. The info that needs to be added there is the following: ? Jul 29 21:22:53 ok magick I cehcked that option Jul 29 21:22:57 but, Ubuntu does a great job of converting Windoze users who "value" those sort of "features" Jul 29 21:23:21 Dantonic: ever gave mc a try? what's that? Jul 29 21:23:35 øæå Jul 29 21:23:37 midnight commander? Jul 29 21:23:37 midnight commander, a norton commander clone Jul 29 21:23:40 ah Jul 29 21:23:44 no never Jul 29 21:24:00 I've seen it i the repositories Jul 29 21:24:07 never installed it Jul 29 21:24:18 you should have it in buntkuh repos for sure Jul 29 21:24:42 just use instead of noteilutz Jul 29 21:24:50 err nauseatilus Jul 29 21:25:36 e really WYSIWYG filemanager Jul 29 21:25:42 a real* Jul 29 21:26:19 no fancy icons, and also no trashcan Jul 29 21:26:48 ... what' s garage credentials to ~/.netrc. ? Where is this file ? Jul 29 21:26:52 but nice little gimmicks like instant file editing, compare files and directories etc Jul 29 21:29:21 magick777: for ubuntu see http://xkcd.com/424/ Jul 29 21:30:28 hehe Jul 29 21:30:38 where my vocabulary using ubuntu and gnome in a completely interchangeable way Jul 29 21:31:50 I was sceptical in the early days, looked like another Mandrake Jul 29 21:32:12 but, I used it to rescue a debian LVM system I hosed, and rather liked it Jul 29 21:33:27 honestly if somebody likes windoze look and feel, then please stay with redmond products and be a happy camper. I for one prefer a linux that looks and feels *better* than any redmond crap, instead of trying to mimick vista and inevitably failing on that Jul 29 21:33:55 it's not the look and feel I like... it's the fact that more of it just works Jul 29 21:34:08 sensible use of repos, less arcane policy about non-free essentials Jul 29 21:34:48 I started with slackware, spent 2 years running gentoo and several on debian... ubuntu is now my flavour of choice Jul 29 21:34:58 which surprises me, also Jul 29 21:35:04 but, it finally just bloody works Jul 29 21:35:06 ubuntu is just ekhm Jul 29 21:35:08 it's like a vista Jul 29 21:35:11 slow Jul 29 21:35:11 err, buntkuh is as far away from a standard linux as it can get without losing the tag. I don't like that Jul 29 21:35:13 and heavy Jul 29 21:36:06 I would accept all those arguments.... and still it's more usable right now than debian or gentoo Jul 29 21:36:28 gentoo is unusable even on 4 core xeon Jul 29 21:36:33 moin Jul 29 21:36:52 btw. is emerge still soooooo slow? Jul 29 21:37:17 probably not on a 4-core xeon, it was hopeless on a p4 Jul 29 21:37:37 i mean just dependencies calculations Jul 29 21:38:23 been a while since I used it (thankfully) Jul 29 21:42:30 I'd need another 7 testers. Anybody got a few minutes for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ ? Jul 29 21:44:37 * asj looks Jul 29 21:46:27 how is version 0.2 different from 0.1 Jul 29 21:47:04 0.2 * description cleanup, change pretty name to "*# Starhash Enabler". Jul 29 21:48:07 added link to bug reporting tmo, adds XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description field (which is usually painfully missing in other pkgs, *hint hint*) Jul 29 21:48:54 DocScrutinizer: I would love to test it but unfortunately the N900 is not used as phone anymore :/ Jul 29 21:49:15 DocScrutinizer: you just aclled *# so it would end up on the top of the list didn't you ;) Jul 29 21:50:06 hmm, I wonder if that's an obstacle at all. In the end the whole dealing with *#numbers is in dialer anyway, so nothing I could change wrt any bug there Jul 29 21:51:03 asj: not exactly, it was mainly to give a clue wtf is starhash. But the effect was welcome ;-) Jul 29 21:53:03 DrGrov: *# is just *enabling* the CC in dialer. So all you need to test is if it installs and deinstalls correctly, and if it maybe causes general fuckup of system :-) Jul 29 21:53:51 DocScrutinizer: My N900 is having issues at the moment... :( Not working out very well. Jul 29 21:53:56 any bugs in dialer when CC are enabled have to be addressed to Nokia rtcomm Jul 29 21:54:30 is there a way to remove an app from extras-devel? Jul 29 21:54:59 asj: ask X-Fade to do it Jul 29 21:55:32 yep, only way Jul 29 21:55:34 jacekowski: ok thanks Jul 29 21:56:37 jacekowski: (what's diff in 0.2) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=762487#post762487 Jul 29 22:00:14 DocScrutinizer: there you go, one more vote :) Jul 29 22:00:26 thanks mate :-) Jul 29 22:02:13 Hi, someone upload a libsdl-mixer1.2 to extras-devel, and it's in conflict with the nokia version... Jul 29 22:03:18 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-mixer1.2/ Jul 29 22:04:25 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 29 22:05:34 the check of the builder are not working https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libsdl-mixer1.2_1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3/ Jul 29 22:06:39 Anyone got any Nokia E-series phone and perhaps want to help a bit? Jul 29 22:07:14 does anyone have current accelermymote and descent working correctly together on pr1.2? Jul 29 22:07:32 DrGrov: help with what? Jul 29 22:07:42 johnsu01: you got a E-series phone? Jul 29 22:08:05 DrGrov: yes, I have an old e61 (but I'm on my way out, which is why I was asking what you had in mind) Jul 29 22:08:37 johnsu01: ok, i just thought i'd ask that do you know if I can customize the "messages" shortcut to something else than e-mail? i have an E52 Jul 29 22:09:28 DrGrov: hm, don't know off the top of my head. I was waiting till a free symbian image was flashable before turning it on again :) Jul 29 22:10:00 johnsu01: ah okay, you had some issues with it? Jul 29 22:10:21 DrGrov: no, I loved that phone, but I have an n900 now which is a lot closer to my goal of a free software phone :) Jul 29 22:10:41 but I'd happily tinker with free software symbian as well, once they get an installable image available Jul 29 22:10:56 johnsu01: okay, i still have my n900 but i opted for the e52 due to its superior battery life, both phone and standby time. and it works better as a phone Jul 29 22:11:35 the E series are really nice phones, no doubt about it Jul 29 22:11:42 DrGrov: maybe /join #symbian ? Jul 29 22:11:49 DocScrutinizer: sorry for off-topic Jul 29 22:14:55 DocScrutinizer, voted up, does what it says on the tin.... Jul 29 22:15:12 magick777: thanks Jul 29 22:16:30 DrGrov: look in settings Jul 29 22:17:20 asj: i have tried but no luck. Jul 29 22:17:32 but nevertheless, does not matter since i kind of do not need that shortcut. Jul 29 22:17:43 but on the other hand it could be a nice shortcut to my pr0n Jul 29 22:18:05 DrGrov: hmpf, might need an app to change it, of course it needs high level caps Jul 29 22:18:48 DrGrov: is the e51 3.1 or 3.2? Jul 29 22:18:50 asj: i can check later on again though. i am pretty sure it is there somewhere Jul 29 22:18:58 no, it is not an e51 Jul 29 22:19:01 it is an e52 Jul 29 22:19:07 sorry e52, is it 3.1 or 3.2? Jul 29 22:19:26 the latest, i bought it just this week so i presume it is 3.12 Jul 29 22:19:28 3.2 Jul 29 22:20:22 * asj geos to look at an e72 Jul 29 22:21:21 asj: I was also checking at the E72 but I did not fancy the full QWERTY keyboard though. Makes my situation too difficult. Jul 29 22:21:51 asj: you think the E52 is 3.1 or 3.2 if I bought it last week? Jul 29 22:22:56 DrGrov: Control Panel->Settings->Phone->Personilization->One-Touch-> Jul 29 22:23:35 asj: huh? Jul 29 22:23:50 DrGrov: it's 3.2. That's how to get the menu to change the keys Jul 29 22:24:12 okay, it is 3.2 Jul 29 22:24:18 ah, i will check that out. thank you Jul 29 22:24:38 not anymore today. i want to keep the use at minimal and standby to see whether it lasts 1 week without any charging. Jul 29 22:25:20 DrGrov: oops that's wrong, Ctrl. Panel->Settings->General->Personilisation->One-touch Jul 29 22:25:54 asj: no problem, i will check from there :) tomorrow I will do it when I am intoxicated by some nice Stolichanya vodka ;-) Jul 29 22:25:56 that's also where you can disable the aweful "Opti nav key" on the e72 Jul 29 22:26:18 WTF is the Opti nav key? I have not seen such a key. Not available on the E52? Jul 29 22:26:47 stolichnaya been the buzzword. Me away... Jul 29 22:27:11 as I'm really not interested in E-series Jul 29 22:28:00 I will get seriously intoxicated tomorrow. My friend said I will crawl on the floor Jul 29 22:28:01 :) Jul 29 22:28:26 My fiancee perhaps not too thrilled about this prediction but nevertheless, it will be jolly good ol' fun Jul 29 22:28:51 I can always give her the N900 to play with and she will become much more stable Jul 29 22:30:48 lcuk: how do you like my letterbox hack (regardless of the pain to playback and from abysmal quality)? Jul 29 22:31:31 lcuk: jacekowski: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 :-) Jul 29 22:33:05 DrGrov: on the dpad of the e72 when you slide your finger it does the equivalant of the motions, it's basically touch sensitive Jul 29 22:33:07 DocScrutinizer: epic Jul 29 22:33:27 asj: that is so cool Jul 29 22:33:46 asj: i wonder why it took me so long to finally get an E-series phone. Jul 29 22:33:50 DrGrov: the problem is, it sucks. Because it's enabled and the d-pad clicks, so when you go to click it the selection runs around like crazy since you also slid your finger Jul 29 22:34:03 I did not want the E51, E61, E63, E66, E90 but the E52 is the shit. Jul 29 22:34:16 DrGrov: you must be really drunk Jul 29 22:34:20 asj: drunk? Jul 29 22:34:21 me? Jul 29 22:34:42 asj: WTF? I am not drunk. Jul 29 22:35:15 DrGrov: just wait till you use symbian for a month, then don't come crawling back us crying ;) Jul 29 22:35:29 asj: I still have the N900 there. Jul 29 22:35:52 asj: the N900 is being used for different purposes. Jul 29 22:36:16 DrGrov: try developing for symbian, it's a sole crushing grinding pulverizing anahalating experience, and that's just installing the tools Jul 29 22:36:41 I will never develop for Symbian so quite frankly I do not give a fuck Jul 29 22:36:42 lo Jul 29 22:36:44 LOL Jul 29 22:36:58 you managed to install the tools? I never made it that far Jul 29 22:37:31 I ran out screaming and chewed on a tree until it fell down. It was easier and more rewarding Jul 29 22:39:06 ShadowJK: symbian levels of difficulty, from easiest to hardest: tool install, compiling something, making it work, making it do something useful, trying to get your app signed, wondering who came with the cleanup stack and how to kill them, TDesC Jul 29 22:39:46 ShadowJK: MrBeaver ? Jul 29 22:40:40 if Symbian was a forrest company, that's how they'd cut down trees Jul 29 22:41:36 * DocScrutinizer wonders why he's still here instead of over there with a nice glass of Stolichnaya Jul 29 22:42:53 btw downloading http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 and playback in mediaplayer seems to work nicely. Just I don't see a download link on Ovi unless logged in to the account :-/ Jul 29 22:43:12 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NRWUGak3PFo/TFIDiYQ3UwI/AAAAAAAAAiw/7KhtjNPb22U/s1600/wtf.jpg Jul 29 22:43:13 Ovi epic fail Jul 29 22:46:54 I'm trying to compile the fcamera example application and am getting the error: You must enable NEON instructions (e.g. -mfloat-abi=softfp -mfpu=neon) to use arm_neon.h Jul 29 22:47:31 probably also -mcpu=Cortex-A8 Jul 29 22:47:39 I looked in the fcamera.pro and found QMAKE_CXXFLAGS += -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp Jul 29 22:48:35 so I'm not sure why it would be missing those Jul 29 22:56:09 has anyone else gotten fcamera to compile? Jul 29 22:57:01 * dmj726_devel assumes so for obvious reasons but is interested if any tweaks have been needed. Jul 29 22:57:09 DocScrutinizer: ovi epic fail? Jul 29 22:57:25 mind elaborating?= Jul 29 23:29:06 hi Jul 29 23:29:42 hello Jul 29 23:30:50 just curious if anyone has heard rumors of an n900 successor? Jul 29 23:32:16 calamari, rumors Jul 29 23:32:23 google for 'n9' Jul 29 23:32:32 you'll find lots of rumors ;) Jul 29 23:35:23 gpsjinni is buggy. what's been the name of that location test gui? Jul 29 23:35:57 seem unable to find it in HAM Jul 29 23:36:48 tripzero, thanks :) Jul 29 23:54:38 SpeedEvil: ping Jul 29 23:56:47 ? Jul 30 00:15:37 SpeedEvil: what's been that other package (official nokia?) to test GPS? Jul 30 00:16:13 liblocationtestGUI Jul 30 00:16:19 or sth Jul 30 00:16:40 loation-test-gui Jul 30 00:16:45 location-test-gui Jul 30 00:17:15 seems gone in ham? Jul 30 00:18:38 or my LOCALE is fooling me once more (like for fmradio) Jul 30 00:21:14 ii location-test-gui 0.93-1+0m5 Location test gui Jul 30 00:21:31 SpeedEvil: any link to a deb to install? apt-cache doesn't find either Jul 30 00:21:44 umm Jul 30 00:21:53 or repo? Jul 30 00:22:16 I think I installed it from a repo - but I have lots installed Jul 30 00:22:36 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/non-free/l/location-test-gui/ Jul 30 00:22:38 aha! Jul 30 00:22:56 I'm sure I installed from repo, but it's gone in the usual ones Jul 30 00:25:30 thanks, .deb via microb worked Jul 30 00:26:16 pool/maemo5/nonfree? WTF Jul 30 00:27:28 I feel like missing a few more weird catalogs Jul 30 00:30:39 hya guys...was wondering how well the gps works on other n900 without network assistance (i dont have a data plan) Jul 30 00:30:52 in my n900 (only got it last week Jul 30 00:31:02 )it works like crap..is that normal? Jul 30 00:33:09 zeltak: yes :( Jul 30 00:33:29 zeltak: I have it connected over wifi, with no SIM, and it works just fine. Jul 30 00:33:33 i see bummer... :( Jul 30 00:33:35 If you use it moderately often Jul 30 00:33:49 lock is ~30s Jul 30 00:33:59 SpeedEvil: yeah but when your driving its hard to get wifi all the time :-) Jul 30 00:34:17 zeltak: you should only need it within 4 hours of your drive Jul 30 00:34:21 zeltak: I think it works fine withoout wifi, I will test that tomorrow. Jul 30 00:34:46 plus - it will go for 16 hours with GPS on Jul 30 00:35:06 i tested it with the default nokia maps.took like 5 minutes to get a lock and kept loosing the gps signal every minute or so...that kinda sucked Jul 30 00:35:34 yeah i dont think ill use the gps much day to day but was kinda hope to use it once in a while when driving.. Jul 30 00:35:37 zeltak: network access only helps with initial fix Jul 30 00:36:17 zeltak: so you might want try a different location in the car, one with less metal overhead perhaps? Jul 30 00:36:26 i see asj good to know..it does fix after a while (a long while:)) Jul 30 00:36:36 asj i tried it walking ;-) Jul 30 00:36:43 so that wasnt the problem..lol Jul 30 00:37:42 i wonder then how the sygic gps turn by turn nav they sell for mameo works since the signal is so unrelaiable Jul 30 00:37:59 zeltak: heh, I admit I don't use the gps a lot (I have like 5 gps devices) but hands atenuate it a lot (as apple found out) as does tree cover and buildings Jul 30 00:38:18 zeltak: but I've had very solid locks with it Jul 30 00:39:11 i see ..did u guys see the utube apple spoof,,hilarious: Jul 30 00:39:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMl_71dqeR8&feature=player_embedded Jul 30 00:39:45 yeah that's funny Jul 30 00:40:34 gps is friggin awesome once you got first fix Jul 30 00:41:08 I don't find it unreliable personally. Jul 30 00:41:18 I have done long term studies on the GPS accuracy. Jul 30 00:41:18 where is the gps antenna on the n900? Jul 30 00:41:19 hi DocScrutinizer51 really? i did get a fix that was fine but it kept loosing the signal every minute or so Jul 30 00:41:26 The RMS error is under 5m. Jul 30 00:41:29 for first fix though it helps a lot to have a)gsm b)wifi c)no moving til fix Jul 30 00:42:03 ok ill try it outside my house in a few minues where i can still get some wifi going Jul 30 00:42:07 i hope that helps Jul 30 00:42:43 maybe your car is well faraday with metal coated windows? Jul 30 00:42:57 * zeltak hopes the wife will be patient while playing arounf with gps before going out to dinner :) Jul 30 00:43:19 DocScrutinizer51: i actually tested it outside walking :) Jul 30 00:44:07 zeltak: losing signal == weak lock. Once you have your first fix signal strength requirements are much less. of course, poor satelite visibility can be an issue if they're all down near the horizon. Jul 30 00:44:14 I found it will lock up in a limbo state if no fix in some 120s Jul 30 00:44:26 if no GSM Jul 30 00:44:51 stop and restart did it for me Jul 30 00:44:57 i see..yeah i dont have a data plan (i sit under wifi all day at uni :)) Jul 30 00:45:43 occasionally took 15min with wifi Jul 30 00:46:12 then keeps good TTFF for at least several hours Jul 30 00:46:46 with GSM always less than 1min ( if possible at all) Jul 30 00:47:19 ok good to know..yeah gsm is not hapenning soon..maybe in the fufutre Jul 30 00:47:26 I have GPSJinni running to get gps-fix without a-gps (network trafic) operative. This since the standard apps drops out before gps-fix is established. Jul 30 00:47:44 gsm!=data Jul 30 00:47:52 ahh cool olebrom is that in te repos? Jul 30 00:48:36 yeah, I will check which. Jul 30 00:48:41 kk thx Jul 30 00:49:07 found it thx Jul 30 00:49:13 apt cache is cool :) Jul 30 00:49:51 Here it is at maemo.org: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpsjinni/ Jul 30 00:50:47 olebrom: thx man Jul 30 00:55:19 Repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free Jul 30 00:57:26 thx Jul 30 00:57:46 off to tst the gps on the way to dinner..report back later ;-) Jul 30 00:57:48 thx guys Jul 30 00:59:39 zeltak: olebrom: location-test-gui is muuuuuuch better. See backsroll for .deb Jul 30 00:59:47 I will say the GPS on N900 is okay, but Ovi Map for Maemo is not by far the same as on Symbian... :-( Jul 30 01:00:07 known issue Jul 30 01:01:03 I don't understand why they don't do turn/turn on the n900, I guess it's the lack of drm Jul 30 01:01:25 ovi sucks big time Jul 30 01:01:51 nope lack of foresight Jul 30 01:01:59 DocScrutinizer: I don't buy that Jul 30 01:02:31 doing for maemo would mean they are done for future meego highend Jul 30 01:02:54 hmm? Jul 30 01:03:09 but they don't get that fact Jul 30 01:03:27 asj n810 had closed turn by turn on it Jul 30 01:03:31 so leave maemo behind as for thwm it's 'EOL' Jul 30 01:03:52 lcukn900: hmm Jul 30 01:07:49 so we have to wait for first meego flagship device, then ovi maps implemented for meego, then backport to maemo evemtually - morons Jul 30 01:08:49 hahaha Jul 30 01:08:58 sales mgmt Jul 30 01:09:00 didnt see that coming? :) Jul 30 01:09:44 maemo will be sitting there with no updates waiting on people to backport apps Jul 30 01:10:12 what is the meego flagship device supposed to be? the aava? Jul 30 01:10:51 the demo of the aava stuff looks awesome Jul 30 01:11:00 no. honestly didn't think the sw engineers are not capable to tell mgmt 'let's do it NOW, so we got it rwady in time. And maemo/meego doesn't matter' Jul 30 01:11:53 heh Jul 30 01:12:51 port forward to meego is even simpler than backport to maemo Jul 30 01:13:16 maybe Jul 30 01:13:34 plus they buy image of 'we care' Jul 30 01:13:34 have to wait for a completely "finished" product to know for sure Jul 30 01:14:11 nope Jul 30 01:14:19 it's evident now Jul 30 01:15:00 hehe Jul 30 01:15:20 develop under maemo/qt and you are set for porting to meego on push of a button Jul 30 01:15:28 honestly. in the end... people will concentrate most of their efforts on meego dev Jul 30 01:15:45 and let the maemo ppl who actually still care to handle backporting Jul 30 01:16:00 doesn't matter - backport is as easy Jul 30 01:16:31 it's qt Jul 30 01:16:42 you would think. what if whatever you are backporting requires a new kernel module that you cant build for maemo for some reason? Jul 30 01:17:07 which one? Jul 30 01:17:08 not everyrhing is qt :) Jul 30 01:17:12 lasers? Jul 30 01:17:13 i dont know Jul 30 01:17:19 yah haha Jul 30 01:17:24 lasers! Jul 30 01:18:24 that's honestly BS. meego kernel is no way better than maemo Jul 30 01:18:37 i didnt say it was begtter or worse Jul 30 01:19:06 i just meant there could be some unforeseen issue in backporting/foreporting Jul 30 01:19:24 couldcouldcould Jul 30 01:19:32 exactly ;) Jul 30 01:19:54 nobody truly knows for sure until people start building for both Jul 30 01:20:03 if there is then better learn early - then fix, in meego Jul 30 01:22:06 If meego includes the security model proposed for maemo6, good luck trying to backport it, even if runs it won't auth and will fail Jul 30 01:23:23 if DRM hits kernel, I'll fill the package with my 2 N900 and 5kg of C4, then send to Nokia Jul 30 01:23:51 DocScrutinizer, there's going to be DRM in Meego.... Jul 30 01:24:06 DocScrutinizer: it'll be way deeper than the kernel Jul 30 01:24:18 I'm talking about signed kernels Jul 30 01:25:03 `teevoization'? Jul 30 01:27:12 * harry [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jul 30 01:27:34 * harrysss [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jul 30 01:27:39 the ROM image in many Android phones has encryption, my cliq XT apparently has this - if I'd known there'd be no ROMs (and no root yet, tho that's probably coming) I would have gotten something else. (I have a n810 and am thinking "n900" now) Jul 30 01:28:00 that's tivoization.... Jul 30 01:28:45 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing# Jul 30 01:28:54 take a look at the Droid X for an example of tivoization. Jul 30 01:29:16 hi all Jul 30 01:29:20 yep Jul 30 01:29:21 hi Jul 30 01:29:30 moin harry_holland Jul 30 01:30:29 for now only NOLO is signed, for all we hear from those who should know Jul 30 01:31:06 what's NOLO? Jul 30 01:31:10 but a signed NOLO is first step. They can replace it with a bootloader refusing to load a not correctly signed kernel any time Jul 30 01:31:26 NOkia bootLOader Jul 30 01:31:58 why does the boot loader need to be signed, according to Nokia? Jul 30 01:32:21 you can not replace NOLO on N900, because you don't have the right key to sign your new bootloader Jul 30 01:32:43 it's a property of OMAP, allegedly Jul 30 01:32:45 this doesn't cause any problems for dual-booting android, right? Jul 30 01:33:20 OMAP has all sorts of DRM stuff, including the ability to corrupt hardware if it doesn't like what you're doing. Jul 30 01:33:23 if android can be booted by NOLO then for sure not. But NOLO can NOT dual boot Jul 30 01:33:59 can it chain-load a dual-boot system? Jul 30 01:34:32 so you can - for NOW - boot to maemo, then from there kexec to andridiot Jul 30 01:35:09 lol Jul 30 01:35:14 andridiot. Jul 30 01:35:55 Where 'boot to maemo' can mean just the kernel Jul 30 01:36:02 and an init script Jul 30 01:36:08 if Nokia decides to swap NOLO for something more restrictive, then you'll find yourself with a N900 which is running Nokia kernel *only*, and that kernel does not have or support kexec Jul 30 01:36:37 DocScrutinizer, if Nokia decided to lock-down the N900, the community would be up in arms. Jul 30 01:37:09 for sure. I announced my actions a few lines up Jul 30 01:37:29 the Meego devices may not be as open, I don't know, but is Nokia really going to put the genie back in the bottle for N900? Jul 30 01:38:23 when I asked about that topic on #meego-meeting conference, they were rather closed up high Jul 30 01:38:43 all the N900 has is community users, there's less than 100,000 sales. Jul 30 01:39:01 "that's not meego domain. Depends on manuf's policy" fsck!! Jul 30 01:39:04 the carriers don't sell it, it's an unlocked device only. Jul 30 01:39:54 DocScrutinizer, Meego might be a different story than N900, it's much bigger than Nokia/Intel - already non-Nokia/Intel devices have been released. Jul 30 01:40:01 EdLin: seems wrong. I heard of 500k in first Jul 30 01:40:18 DocScrutinizer, Reuters ran a story saying less than 100k. Jul 30 01:41:00 500k is impossible, the most popular Android devices don't have over 1 million and something. Jul 30 01:41:02 c'mon, there's 30k on tmo Jul 30 01:41:40 DocScrutinizer, I didn't say a lot less than 100k, 30k on tmo is most of the american sales right there. Jul 30 01:41:43 you can'r convince me about >1/3 of N900 owners are on tmo Jul 30 01:42:00 why? It's the only US carrier with 3g for the device. Jul 30 01:42:16 talk.maemo.org Jul 30 01:42:47 not T-Mo Jul 30 01:43:28 and btw you bet max 10% of N900 went to USA Jul 30 01:43:34 http://www.maemocommunity.com/798/nokia-n900-sales-below-100000-since-the-release/ Jul 30 01:45:00 I don't know if I should trust your stats, but the 500k figure you give is literally impossible, because the Droid X, the biggest selling android device, sold less than 2 million. Jul 30 01:45:27 seem t have heard different numbers Jul 30 01:46:57 EdLin: I think you might under estimate the sales of nokia devices, even the n900 Jul 30 01:47:02 well, I think I'm pretty sure about the ~30k on talk.maemo.org. And I know from experience how many percentage of users actually engage in such a activity Jul 30 01:47:26 for sure NOT one out of three Jul 30 01:47:32 DocScrutinizer, you're apparently right that I should question the figures Reuters reported, they're from Gartner. Jul 30 01:47:35 http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-has-sold-well-in-excess-of-100000-handsets-gartner-figures-seriously-wrong-claims-source-2887458/ Jul 30 01:47:39 well, there's also N810 owners Jul 30 01:47:54 I'm an N810 owner. :) Jul 30 01:48:17 I think they are <20% on tmo Jul 30 01:48:36 the ones that have N8x0 but no N900 Jul 30 01:48:42 in the US, over 50% are on tmo. Certainly, unless you like EDGE and higher prices. Jul 30 01:48:58 tmo IS NOT T-Mo Jul 30 01:49:18 EdLin: the Reusters report was very odd. It wasn't meant to be a high volume device, nin the US it didn't even have carrier subsidy Jul 30 01:49:26 tmo == talk.maemo.org Jul 30 01:49:36 T-Mo is T-Mobile Jul 30 01:49:36 O.o Jul 30 01:49:38 It was 'never' going to sell well in the US, for that reason Jul 30 01:49:42 oops Jul 30 01:50:05 you can get an n900 on Amazon for $399 now. :) Jul 30 01:50:11 new? Jul 30 01:50:15 yes Jul 30 01:50:17 T-Mo US doesn't even know it exists Jul 30 01:50:26 It's in my budget, I think I'm getting it.... Jul 30 01:50:46 I'm tired of using a locked-down Android cliq xt that is stuck at Android 1.5 Jul 30 01:51:03 You can even run dosbox, and edlin in it. Jul 30 01:51:15 Ljrn900, T-Mo US knows it exists more than AT&T does. ;-) Jul 30 01:51:50 * DocScrutinizer thought edlin is a genuine unix posix command Jul 30 01:52:13 DocScrutinizer, I've been using this nic since 1990 on DOS BBSs. Jul 30 01:52:23 nick* Jul 30 01:52:25 ok, edlin is not Jul 30 01:52:41 ed is Jul 30 01:52:44 DocScrutinizer, it's a MS-DOS command, not POSIX. Jul 30 01:53:07 ed is a lot better than edlin, it has regular expressions! Jul 30 01:53:09 sed etc and siblings of course Jul 30 01:53:21 yep Jul 30 01:53:33 sorry doing that shit tooooo long Jul 30 01:53:51 mixing things from 1980, prolly Alzheimer Jul 30 01:54:54 anyway jacekowski, find a way to flash a non-signed bootloader, pretty please! Jul 30 01:55:07 does the N810 have any internet radio apps, or do you just have the browser for that? Jul 30 01:55:14 oops, n900 Jul 30 01:55:24 n900, sure Jul 30 01:55:31 cool Jul 30 01:55:33 go HAM, search 'radio' Jul 30 01:56:05 * ShadowJK just uses the media player Jul 30 01:56:41 even that Jul 30 01:58:19 "Musik" "Video" "Internetradio" "Zufallswiedergabe" (=random play over all categoties, how mad is THAT?) Jul 30 01:59:08 DocScrutinizer, is there a twitter widget for Maemo 5? Jul 30 01:59:25 * DocScrutinizer wonders if it will skip from internet radio to a 2h movie on end of a sonf, or on end of mediastream Jul 30 01:59:57 I bet there is, but please check the appropriate website Jul 30 02:00:42 http://maemo.org/packages/ Jul 30 02:01:26 http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ even Jul 30 02:01:51 and that's not yet a comprehensive list Jul 30 02:02:47 lol Jul 30 02:12:24 for anybody interested and too lazy to do the math: that's 83 pages of 50 pkgs each, plus rubbish Jul 30 02:13:59 DocScrutinizer, I didn't see a twitter widget, only some twitter libraries for a chat client and a media player. :( Jul 30 02:16:00 don't ask mee, I'm absolutely twitter averse Jul 30 02:17:02 but maybe you found a opportunity for a groundbreaking new app? Jul 30 02:18:01 probably if there is none, and you ask for it in meamo.org/brainstorms then it takes 2 days for something to hit the repositories Jul 30 02:18:32 or you simply write it yourself Jul 30 02:20:23 * SpeedEvil uploads hawt gifs. Jul 30 02:20:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS#Accuracy Jul 30 02:22:11 (read all of the bug carefully) muhaha Jul 30 02:22:21 in my next holiday Jul 30 02:23:06 bah i just hqave an external bt gps antenna Jul 30 02:24:22 there's no such thing Jul 30 02:24:48 Anybody remember that blog post from somewhere on the internet from a few years ago about that (Russian?) scientist who was experimenting with all sorts of incredibly dangerous stuff ( RST38h?)? Jul 30 02:26:18 ? Jul 30 02:27:49 DangerMaus: maybe you got an external GPS receiver, incl chipset and all. You can't tehter an antenna via BT Jul 30 02:28:15 yeah Jul 30 02:28:20 reciever Jul 30 02:42:29 Hello, I just downloaded and installed the Maemo Desktop SDK virtual machine for VirtualBox. Currently, the ubuntu vm can connect to the internet, but it appears that the maemo emulator can not. Did I miss something? Jul 30 02:43:20 ok back from dinner :) DocScrutinizer i can say that the wifi locked helped alot :) Jul 30 02:43:48 it got a lock in like 2 minutes and was pretty reliable after that.. Jul 30 02:44:14 :-) Jul 30 02:44:26 on the way back without the wifi lock it took forever to get a lock and wasnt so reliable but its an improvment from before :) Jul 30 02:45:26 enyone use conky not as an "app" but on one of the desktops? is that possible at all? Jul 30 02:46:21 in such situation it seems to help if you got a GSM registration so location lib can get the country, maybe even BTS tower. No real need for data connection, but the lib gets confused when no clue on which continent Jul 30 02:46:34 i see Jul 30 02:48:34 SirSpam, is /etc/resolv.conf ok in both ubuntu and the sandbox? Jul 30 02:50:47 EdLin: How would I know if it's correct? Sorry, Linux is not my main O/S. I just got this virtual machine image from the website. Jul 30 02:52:07 it appears to be correct. The nameserver has the correct ip for my router Jul 30 02:56:50 SirSpam, it's identical for both the sandbox and the main system? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 30 02:59:57 2010