**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 03 02:59:57 2010 Aug 03 03:59:33 Wow - fcamera is awesome. Aug 03 03:59:52 I just took a couple of pics in the garden at 4:40AM. Aug 03 04:00:17 It's just getting light, and the pics are - while not great - somewhat OK. Aug 03 04:00:31 SpeedEvil: wheren't you just complaining last week it sucked? Aug 03 04:00:46 no. I have not installed fcamera. Aug 03 04:00:54 And I have never said the camera sucks. Aug 03 04:01:04 SpeedEvil: ok, mn :) Aug 03 04:01:08 I've said repeatedly that the 5MP resolution isn't real. Aug 03 04:01:31 ok, not the important question, why were you taking pics at 4:40am in your garden? Aug 03 04:01:47 It's like me claiming my penis is 21" long. Which is true, but only if I use inches that overlap. Aug 03 04:02:47 O Aug 03 04:02:55 I'm not going anywhere near that one Aug 03 04:03:29 I was testing fcameras low light performance of course. Aug 03 04:12:01 umm how do i view the pictures of fcamera? Aug 03 04:12:54 how do you view the pictures of normal camera? :/ Aug 03 04:13:19 thought it had its own viewer Aug 03 04:13:40 you slide up from the viewfinder Aug 03 04:13:48 and then left-right Aug 03 04:14:35 ah ok thanks :) Aug 03 04:19:46 any progress towards creating a good app store for maemo? Aug 03 04:26:15 ryoohki: why would anyone bother? Maemo is dead Aug 03 04:36:33 so here's the thing, I've got a compiled c program that is making my n810 crashes after a few seconds of its execution (4 seconds in average). here says "32wd_to" on /proc/bootreason Aug 03 04:39:52 what bothers me is it is crashing *after* execution. it is on usb host mode and using a fingerprint reader Aug 03 04:42:51 i'm wondering how I can clear the recently played playlist... any ideas? Aug 03 05:32:19 * slonopotamus yawns and pokes slowly Aug 03 05:39:56 wth like 3rd or 4th empty bug report i get against fmms :| Aug 03 05:40:01 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11052 Aug 03 05:40:02 Bug 11052: neznam Aug 03 06:21:38 k, so my n810 has internet via ad-hoc wireless, and a usb networking connection to my pc Aug 03 06:21:50 I set ip_forward to 1 Aug 03 06:22:07 and afaik, all the routing tables are correct. Aug 03 06:22:34 can't ping internet from pc for some reason Aug 03 06:23:04 ideas? Aug 03 07:11:04 quiet here today. Aug 03 07:11:15 very quiet Aug 03 07:11:22 BOOM Aug 03 07:11:27 :) Aug 03 07:11:45 its quiet but i have an identd storm! Aug 03 07:12:18 you are probably a clone Aug 03 07:12:21 not a real person Aug 03 07:12:24 * MohammadAG51 slaps mece around with a large frals Aug 03 07:12:35 * mece lols Aug 03 07:12:37 once they identify you as a clone, they will most likely send a team to exterminate you Aug 03 07:12:50 RST38h, likely Aug 03 07:12:54 why? do they not like clones? Aug 03 07:13:15 mece, no, they mistake clones for clowns, and they hate those Aug 03 07:13:58 MohammadAG51, yeah, they hate clowns and juggalos Aug 03 07:14:04 Morning, all Aug 03 07:14:10 Jaffa, mornin Aug 03 07:14:11 morning Jaffa Aug 03 07:14:15 morning Aug 03 07:14:48 \o jaffa Aug 03 07:14:51 morning jacekowski Aug 03 07:15:04 moin moin Aug 03 07:15:07 i have whole pack of jaffa cakes Aug 03 07:15:14 jacekowski, gimme! Aug 03 07:15:38 /dcc send mece jaffa_cake Aug 03 07:16:21 mmm.. battery coffeed Aug 03 07:18:53 echo Aug 03 07:19:23 ++coffee Aug 03 07:34:06 lcuk, what identd storm? Aug 03 07:35:17 mece, about 40 identds in last hour, up from 0 normally Aug 03 07:50:02 greentings, civilians Aug 03 08:18:48 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=773681&postcount=17 <- there is a hack for 10.1 already? Aug 03 08:22:22 it fakes the version string Arkenoi, its not a 'real' 10.1 Aug 03 08:23:46 Can someone remeber the name of the program that allowed to change physichal keyboards language/layout from status menu? Aug 03 08:24:14 I'm talking about N900. Aug 03 08:41:22 crashanddie, ping? Aug 03 08:41:39 pong Aug 03 08:41:43 pm Aug 03 08:57:35 I'm thinking about creating a game for N900 based on a simpleish boardgame.. Aug 03 08:57:59 +10000 Aug 03 08:58:51 anyway, it's a simple hex based fantasy strategy Aug 03 09:03:05 actually it's this game: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4279/flux I found it in a box of crap from my mother in law :D Immediately thought "N900!" Aug 03 09:05:09 lcuk: here's a small game that you could make using liqbase Aug 03 09:05:47 lcuk: say there are 10 little balls bouncing around the screen, when you tap the screen, an explosion happens at that spot (only one explosion allowed) Aug 03 09:06:01 :D Aug 03 09:06:29 why the frak don't we have gnome do for N900? Aug 03 09:06:54 lcuk: everytime a small ball hits the explosion (explosion is shown by the ball growing in size, and remains big for a couple of seconds), it turns into an explosion itself -- the goal is to make the biggest chain reaction possible, with a minimum score to go up to the next level Aug 03 09:06:59 gnome is too bug and slow Aug 03 09:07:21 jacekowski: well, an similar program, but not bug and slow then. Aug 03 09:07:31 big* Aug 03 09:07:46 well, we have hildon Aug 03 09:07:55 I actually just want to "ctrl-space, f, enter" to launch firefox Aug 03 09:08:04 crashanddie, yeah seen similar, thats certainly feasible to play with Aug 03 09:08:35 mece: port this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/corridor/ (if it hasn't been done..) Aug 03 09:08:40 lcuk: bonus points if you can get the dots to bounce from one n900 to the other, including the chain reaction :P Aug 03 09:08:41 a particularly evil game Aug 03 09:09:16 Weiss: sdl. looks like a straight compile Aug 03 09:09:19 hold on., Aug 03 09:11:40 crashanddie, ;) Aug 03 09:20:53 Can someone remeber the name of the program that allowed to change physichal keyboards language/layout from status menu? Aug 03 09:30:32 Weiss, ok, it works. I'll adjust the ui to fit the screen. Full screen segfaults though. Shouldn't be a problem. Aug 03 09:30:40 only x86 sdk yet though. Aug 03 09:33:52 D-Iivil_Work: there's a "Keyboard Layout Status Icon" Aug 03 09:34:41 mece, hmm.. thanks. Just wondering why I can't find it with faster application manager :P Aug 03 09:34:55 mece, but will find it with apt-cache search. So thanks! Aug 03 09:36:17 mece, aaa, that's not what I was looking for. That just displays the language, but allows not to change it. Aug 03 09:40:07 daaaaamn! I can't get this runaway process killed!! Aug 03 09:40:10 halp! Aug 03 09:40:18 -9 does nothing! Aug 03 09:40:54 reboot? Aug 03 09:40:55 ;) Aug 03 09:41:02 it's in the sdk... oh well.. Aug 03 09:41:29 kill qemu Aug 03 09:44:19 gaaaah!!! Aug 03 09:44:35 how can this be so difficult!! Aug 03 09:44:41 how do I kill the whole sdk? Aug 03 09:46:13 mece, pull out the plug from wall socket? Aug 03 09:46:15 :P Aug 03 09:46:48 aah... from outside the scratchbox *bonk self* Aug 03 10:01:18 Weiss: ok, done. Should I email you the binary? Aug 03 10:02:08 it's a two player game though, so you have to give the phone to eachother and such... Not exactly comfy, but works if you're stuck on an airplane :) Aug 03 10:02:11 or whatnot Aug 03 10:03:10 mece: wow, that was quick :) Aug 03 10:03:16 :) Aug 03 10:03:26 wasn't expecting you to do it just like that :) Aug 03 10:03:31 but the binary would be cool.. Aug 03 10:04:00 I'll /notice you my address Aug 03 10:05:50 mece, extras-devel :P Aug 03 10:06:06 sar3th, you do realise nobody gives a flying toss about your status? Aug 03 10:06:53 obviously you do crashanddie_, no1 else bothers about name changes and something like that is normal :P Aug 03 10:10:00 oops Aug 03 10:10:00 ok Aug 03 10:10:04 here it is: http://hedwerks.net/stuff/corridor.tar.gz Aug 03 10:10:12 lcuk, don't feel like packaging it. Aug 03 10:10:27 untar that thing somewhere and run directly. Aug 03 10:10:30 not in MyDocs Aug 03 10:10:35 ~/ works Aug 03 10:10:50 tar -xzvf corridor.tar.gz Aug 03 10:11:12 cd corridor1.1.3 Aug 03 10:11:15 ./corridor Aug 03 10:11:17 :) Aug 03 10:11:42 * mece likes simple sdl stuff Aug 03 10:18:18 oops Aug 03 10:19:24 soo. What the hell should I do about wesnoth? Aug 03 10:21:54 whats wrong with it? Aug 03 10:23:05 well, it segfaults if built by autobuilder Aug 03 10:23:14 lcuk, actually, it's just that freenode is already very noisy due to the incessant join/parts, so not having people changing their nickname for no reason other than their feeling of self-importance wouldn't hurt. Aug 03 10:23:23 works perfectly if built by my scratchbox Aug 03 10:23:49 mece: strace it, or get the core dump Aug 03 10:23:51 crashanddie_, chances are it was from some other channel needs - not a big concern Aug 03 10:24:07 crashanddie_: I don't know how to do it though... Aug 03 10:24:18 crashanddie_: well I guess the core dump I can do. Aug 03 10:24:57 lcuk, http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html Aug 03 10:25:46 mece, in a terminal, just strace ./app Aug 03 10:26:10 crashanddie_: ok.. will do. Aug 03 10:26:21 mece it'll display the OS calls made, and then figure out where it dies Aug 03 10:26:28 this thing has been REALLY bugging me. It's time to get that thing to extras. Aug 03 10:26:41 because the game is good and works very well. Aug 03 10:26:56 or gdb Aug 03 10:27:03 but strace is great too Aug 03 10:27:17 apparently I have neither Aug 03 10:27:45 apt-get helped. Aug 03 10:28:12 omg that's a lot of stuff Aug 03 10:29:56 the day mece discovered that CPUs run at multiple gigs for a reason. Aug 03 10:30:01 wait how do I pipe strace output Aug 03 10:30:11 crashanddie_: hehee Aug 03 10:31:02 ok got it. Aug 03 10:31:09 now who want's to look at thiss mess? Aug 03 10:31:55 crashanddie_: suppress join/quit Aug 03 10:32:06 DocScrutinizer, done Aug 03 10:33:58 mece: pastebin Aug 03 10:34:11 in a bit.. Aug 03 10:34:59 the whole thing or just the end? Aug 03 10:35:33 and maybe `tail -n 500` Aug 03 10:35:57 if it's too large for pastebin Aug 03 10:36:31 http://pastebin.com/XiHmyDJ8 Aug 03 10:36:36 ok that's 374 lines, but still Aug 03 10:37:28 around 310 things get interesting Aug 03 10:38:08 is it just me or has kernel-power installation has gone tougher? When I tried to install that package through ham it gave me an error with conflicting packages such as kernel-modules-maemo and kernel-maemo. Now I'm using apt-get method and it didn't have the same set of packages that it will have to be removed for this Aug 03 10:39:02 mece: it crashes after trying to open the file and failing Aug 03 10:40:02 so it appears.. but WHY does it not have that problem when built in my sdk? Aug 03 10:40:07 a dependency issue? Aug 03 10:40:15 I mean it builds succesfully.. Aug 03 10:40:21 perhaps some version of something.. Aug 03 10:40:38 mate Aug 03 10:40:58 I don't think it has to do with compilation Aug 03 10:41:00 but with packaging Aug 03 10:41:08 "opt/wesnoth/share/wesnoth/data/hardwired/fonts.cfg" Aug 03 10:41:09 crashanddie, yeah Aug 03 10:41:14 I'm guessing that's provided by the wesnoth package? Aug 03 10:41:22 I guess. Aug 03 10:41:30 or well, I'm guessing it isn't when the autobuilder takes care of it Aug 03 10:42:32 MUHAHA game coders, always a laugh. Segfaults on file nonexistent Aug 03 10:42:42 heey... maybe it's the autooptification that messes it up Aug 03 10:43:23 aah yes that is it!" Aug 03 10:43:27 that bitch! Aug 03 10:43:32 hmmm think I know why it was like that, it was because of mobilehotspot Aug 03 10:43:59 DocScrutinizer, what? Thats a feature! It tells you when you shouldn't be playing it by segfaulting :P Aug 03 10:44:00 see, I made it install under /opt/wesnoth in the rules file, but autobuilders autooptification messes with that. Aug 03 10:44:14 I'll check if that's the case. Aug 03 10:44:59 psycho_oreos: thanks for the context Aug 03 10:45:19 DocScrutinizer, you were having issues? Aug 03 10:50:32 Termana: sure. The what-means-what table in the fine manual has a list of a segfault addresses and associated clear text error msgs. Has been done for user friendliness to not bloat executable and loading/startup time :-P Aug 03 10:56:19 How difficult would be to port this to fremantle: http://optipng.sourceforge.net/ Aug 03 10:56:42 I can run it already via easy-debian, but native port would be more handfull... Aug 03 10:56:47 not hard at all Aug 03 10:57:55 it's probably matter of simple apt-get source optipng Aug 03 10:58:04 add your name and stuff into control file Aug 03 10:58:09 and then uploading it to autobuilder Aug 03 10:58:42 jacekowski, source is available from sourceforge already. Maybe I'll try to play with it :) Aug 03 10:59:00 it will be simpler if you start with debian package Aug 03 10:59:15 because that way it will be almost ready to be built debian way Aug 03 10:59:26 D-Iivil_Work, are you planning to convert your D-Iivil themes into one package with a settings panel like black plastic? Aug 03 10:59:34 crashanddie, DocScrutinizer, ok that was not the problem. the segfault is due to something else.. here's the updated log,http://pastebin.com/MhrwrxL3 Aug 03 11:00:14 D-Iivil_Work: that one is prossibly just a compile away Aug 03 11:00:18 open("/opt/wesnoth/share/wesnoth/data/hardwired/fonts.cfg", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 5 Aug 03 11:00:21 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- Aug 03 11:00:34 seems pretty clear to me Aug 03 11:00:38 mece: show the code Aug 03 11:00:43 crashanddie, what does it say? Aug 03 11:00:50 the contents of that file? Aug 03 11:00:58 no, the code that opens that file Aug 03 11:01:10 crashanddie, well yeah, it crashed when it found the file too. before it didn't find it. Aug 03 11:01:30 then you're doing something wrong after opening it Aug 03 11:02:30 install gdb, do a bt Aug 03 11:03:27 strace isn't the right tool to debug segfaults Aug 03 11:03:40 DocScrutinizer, installing.. Aug 03 11:03:48 ok how does one do a bt? Aug 03 11:04:31 mece: gdb ./yourappname Aug 03 11:04:36 mece: then "bt" Aug 03 11:04:45 rtfm, sorry but that's what I have to do as well. basically start under gdb, when it segfaults, type bt Aug 03 11:05:08 or rather, bt 5 Aug 03 11:05:53 TomaszD, I think I won't have energy for doing that :D Aug 03 11:06:30 mece, will try to compile. And then another question, can autobuilder use that package after it's on the repos? I'd like to insert some image optimizing to be done during the build process. Aug 03 11:06:32 D-Iivil_Work, I think it's better than having to maintain dozens of packages right? Aug 03 11:06:40 ThoMe: what's status of japanese bands for FMRX? Aug 03 11:06:54 TomaszD: ^^^ Aug 03 11:07:03 ThoMe: sorry ETAB Aug 03 11:07:52 TomaszD: (on N900 :-D ) Aug 03 11:07:54 ok, it gave a "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) Aug 03 11:08:03 hehe Aug 03 11:08:28 TomaszD, well.. yeah. Aug 03 11:08:48 TomaszD, but the existing ones can stay as they are. In the future I'll definitely use the same method with upcoming themes. Aug 03 11:09:57 * lcuk notes that more IDENTDs hitting and wonders what he said to make them all come at once Aug 03 11:10:41 X-Fade: ping Aug 03 11:10:41 lcuk: ??? Aug 03 11:11:04 DocScrutinizer, i woke up to a mass cluster of them this morning Aug 03 11:11:18 mece, about 40 identds in last hour, up from 0 normally Aug 03 11:11:18 from? Aug 03 11:11:38 all over the world! it gives ips but no more info Aug 03 11:11:42 libsdl-ttf2.0-dev is a different version Aug 03 11:11:46 duh Aug 03 11:12:09 since it bombs when loading fonts... could that be the problem? Aug 03 11:13:38 mece, this is in scratchbox? arm or intel? Aug 03 11:14:21 mgedmin, this is in autobuilder versus scratchbox armel. sb works autobuilder segfaults. Aug 03 11:15:30 yeah ... gdb is tricky on arm, afaik Aug 03 11:15:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide#Debugging_Issues_on_ARM_Architecture Aug 03 11:16:02 my sb has libsdl-ttf2.0-dev_2.0.9-1osso0+0m5_armel and autobuilder uses libsdl-ttf2.0-dev_2.0.9-1osso0+0m5 Aug 03 11:16:18 is ltrace available for maemo? Aug 03 11:20:30 hi Aug 03 11:21:02 hmm well I can compare the strace output to that from the healthy build, to see what happends right att that point... Aug 03 11:23:27 I think I have trouble with my 3G connection. In fact when I use Autodisconnect it doesn't stay connect very long that's normal but without Autodisconnect it is the same thing my 3G connection stay connected approx 2 minutes Aug 03 11:23:41 hello Aug 03 11:25:23 nobody here? Aug 03 11:25:27 no Aug 03 11:25:38 hi bro Aug 03 11:25:41 mece: use diff Aug 03 11:25:57 mece: you could even use fluffy diff to go through the different addresses Aug 03 11:26:11 how to enable ssu repos? Aug 03 11:26:14 anyway, going to the bank. Later Aug 03 11:26:17 how to enable ssu repos? Aug 03 11:28:05 CasTTeLLo: they are enabled... unless you removed them Aug 03 11:28:05 hello Aug 03 11:31:33 CasTTeLLo: http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Aug 03 11:32:01 thanks mece Aug 03 11:37:23 so if I put in build depends, libsdlttf2.0-dev (>= 2.0.9-1maemo2) would 2.0.9-1osso0+0m5 cover that or would it be forced to use a maemo version? (which is what I want) Aug 03 11:39:09 <_0x47> hi! just had an idea. could it be possible to turn of the compression of the camera application to not get jpg files, but uncompressed pictures? I feel like the distortion may come from compressing the images, which sucks imho. Aug 03 11:39:24 <_0x47> maybe use png instead of jpg? Aug 03 11:40:30 is it possible to size the status-thingie higher when tapping on the status area? there are 2 entries that are only shown on scroll which i dislike Aug 03 11:40:58 _0x47: fcam saves raw, so that should be lossless. Aug 03 11:41:11 <_0x47> mece: let me try that out, thanks Aug 03 11:41:47 _0x47: fcam is pretty cool in other ways too :) Aug 03 11:43:53 hey guys, how can I get my package unlocked for promotion? Aug 03 11:44:32 lauri, get 10 votes (or 3 supertester votes) and wait 10 days Aug 03 11:44:44 lauri, assuming it's in testing Aug 03 11:44:55 its in extras-devel at the moment? Aug 03 11:44:59 how should I proceed Aug 03 11:45:10 lauri, then open the package instance and click promote package Aug 03 11:45:17 what's the package called? Aug 03 11:45:19 well there is no such link Aug 03 11:45:47 what is the package called? Aug 03 11:46:03 There's two: http://maemo.org/packages/view/python2.5-polib and http://maemo.org/packages/view/transifex-mobile/ Aug 03 11:46:09 tx mobile depends on polib Aug 03 11:46:35 lauri, you need to click on the particular instance you want to promote first. Aug 03 11:46:39 <_0x47> mece: too bad that it conflicts with kernel-power, which I am not willing to uninstall. i am addicted to 850Mhz. :/ Aug 03 11:46:52 lauri, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/transifex-mobile/0.3-6/ Aug 03 11:47:00 aaa :D Aug 03 11:47:03 there should be a promote package link if you're logged in :) Aug 03 11:47:21 _0x47: I think titan fixed that Aug 03 11:48:00 <_0x47> i'm on extras-devel, so i guess it's not? Aug 03 11:53:30 _0x47: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/transifex-mobile/0.3-6/ Aug 03 11:53:33 oops Aug 03 11:53:42 _0x47: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=762156&postcount=25 I mean Aug 03 11:54:57 <_0x47> mece: you're right, my bad. I did not look well enough for new updates. installing the new kernel now. Aug 03 11:58:02 _0x47: good luck with that :) Aug 03 12:00:11 <_0x47> you knew something i didn't? :/ Aug 03 12:00:16 <_0x47> mece: Aug 03 12:01:37 ok building wesnoth, I hope it fails this time..... Aug 03 12:02:16 <_0x47> mece: reflashing does not wipe my data, right? Aug 03 12:02:31 <_0x47> only everything outside of MyDocs/ ? Aug 03 12:02:34 _0x47: erm.. no not the stuff from MyDocs Aug 03 12:02:39 exactly Aug 03 12:02:40 <_0x47> good Aug 03 12:02:53 <_0x47> cause the latest power kernel killed my phone Aug 03 12:02:53 <_0x47> lol Aug 03 12:02:54 there is the emmc reflash that wipes everything Aug 03 12:03:00 _0x47: lol Aug 03 12:03:27 <_0x47> yeah, actually i never flashed before, so this is the first time. let's see how it works Aug 03 12:15:13 elinks 192.168.0.254 Aug 03 12:15:43 hee Aug 03 12:42:05 MeeGo, the first official 409, scammer Linux distribution! Aug 03 12:42:37 sounds good Aug 03 12:42:55 no n900 version yet? Aug 03 12:43:12 crashanddie, scammer? Que? Aug 03 12:43:32 nha, just some guy on the meego-community mailing list asking for help for his modem Aug 03 12:43:44 eeeheh ok Aug 03 12:43:48 and he keeps going on "How MeeGo would be appreciated to support these modems, very popular in their community" Aug 03 12:43:52 his IP traces back to Nigeria Aug 03 12:44:05 and he keeps going about "Thank you for your contribution and concern" Aug 03 12:44:25 http://meego.com/community/blogs/margie/2010/meego-ivi-v1.0-announcement Aug 03 12:44:31 what is ivi ? Aug 03 12:44:34 He must be thinking "These whites really are fools. I used to have to try and find email addresses, now they create one address that hits 2000 people at once!" Aug 03 12:45:09 E0x: 4+1? Aug 03 12:45:31 LOL Aug 03 12:45:34 E0x: or probably this: http://ivi.sourceforge.net/ Aug 03 12:45:57 don't make sense Aug 03 12:46:08 damn I need a smoke Aug 03 12:46:11 GAN900: awake yet? Aug 03 12:47:00 <_0x47> thanks god I could only flash the kernel. :D Aug 03 12:47:49 * DocScrutinizer yawns Aug 03 12:48:27 ok compiling wesnoth for the 100 000 000th time... Aug 03 12:48:49 ... Aug 03 12:49:07 * DocScrutinizer shoots at _0x47's wetware CPU with a 850MeV addicting ion gun Aug 03 12:49:21 Does anyone mind to port aria2c to the n900? Aug 03 12:49:52 tobis87: just compile it? Aug 03 12:50:14 tobis87, I could do it on another machine while this one is busy Aug 03 12:50:19 hold on. Aug 03 12:50:36 I could not install the sdk, because my Linux is too old. And it's amd64 Aug 03 12:50:50 wtf aria2c Aug 03 12:51:00 DocScrutinizer: axel clone :) Aug 03 12:51:06 uhum Aug 03 12:51:21 DocScrutinizer: http://aria2.sourceforge.net Aug 03 12:51:30 * DocScrutinizer comes to think he doesn't want to know Aug 03 12:52:18 BURP Aug 03 12:53:08 The website looks painfull, but aria2 is able to download in parallel Aug 03 12:53:31 but... Does it BLEND?? Aug 03 12:53:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_managemen Aug 03 12:53:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management even Aug 03 12:54:01 looks like "pathological by design" Aug 03 12:54:36 wow that mypaint video is pretty cool Aug 03 12:55:36 * DocScrutinizer starts to package a cisco router emu for N900 Aug 03 12:55:39 pretty nice drawing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBfrBgL2E Aug 03 12:55:44 I don't know, but would it not save more power if some file is loaded faster. As it would poweroff the wifi after the file has downloaded. Aug 03 12:56:08 oops.. I downloaded every branch by mistake... Aug 03 12:56:12 sigh Aug 03 12:56:23 DocScrutinizer: nice ! Aug 03 12:56:40 not for me , i am cisco hater but for a few friends that will nice Aug 03 12:56:51 E0x: yeah, 32 FDDI ports :-P Aug 03 12:57:14 ^_^ Aug 03 12:57:19 tobis87: yes, it might. Aug 03 12:59:58 Anybody can tell me how to get rid of the "xxx.py" prefix on the titlebar of my Hildon Python application? If I call set_title("blah") it shows "xxx.py - blah" in the title bar ;( Aug 03 13:00:07 tobis87: for p2p sharing the protocol overhead and cpu usage will dwarf any speed improvements shortening wlan on time Aug 03 13:01:06 DocScrutinizer: I don't want to use it for p2p, i use it for "Multi-connection Download" and FTP. Aug 03 13:01:20 mhm, fair enough Aug 03 13:02:00 zap: Set it to "^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hblah"? Aug 03 13:02:05 tobis87: Generally yes - doing downloads at max hardware speed will save power. Aug 03 13:02:05 ;) Aug 03 13:02:15 zap: gtk.set_application_name("blah") Aug 03 13:05:58 TWO more testers willing to give http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ a review? Aug 03 13:06:28 DocScrutinizer: nvm. It'll promote in about a day. Aug 03 13:06:59 been packagetesting lots, should get supertester status then, and it'll tip it over Aug 03 13:07:03 SpeedEvil: Yes, this is what I thought. Aria2 is the only package I'm missing. Through a compiled version from the original sourcecode of ADVENT would also be nice. Aug 03 13:08:41 crashanddie: thank you, it worked! Aug 03 13:13:11 SpeedEvil: seems won't fly, see TomaszD who got 207 pkgtest karma, is tagged "Tester" on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ and still... Seems supertester concept isn't implemented at all Aug 03 13:14:20 Well - that's what I was told on teh testers list. Aug 03 13:14:54 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/testingsquad-list/2010-July/000095.html Aug 03 13:14:56 Ah. Aug 03 13:15:02 'no time' definitions may vary Aug 03 13:17:04 Hi, is there an answering machine app for n900? Aug 03 13:17:21 I'm more suspicious about garage supporting the whole concept Aug 03 13:17:24 As far as I'm aware not a user friendly one. Aug 03 13:17:59 SpeedEvil: is there *any* supertester shining up in the voting? Aug 03 13:18:00 SpeedEvil: Which are the ones which are not user friendly? Aug 03 13:18:36 http://maemo.org/packages/view/asterisk/ for example Aug 03 13:18:44 I'm unsure if it can actually take phonecals Aug 03 13:18:56 prolly not Aug 03 13:20:18 I don't - think - anyones implemented something that actually works for normal phonecalls. Aug 03 13:20:21 but I seem to remeber other projects Aug 03 13:20:35 SpeedEvil: ok. Thanks Aug 03 13:20:36 uhm.. guess this has been discussed a lot, but I wonder why meego uses rpm.. Aug 03 13:20:37 I vaguely recall someone doing it for SIP Aug 03 13:20:52 haj: They got paid off in beer and hookers by redhat. Aug 03 13:20:56 because Intel supports redhat or something? Aug 03 13:21:08 SpeedEvil: silly.. :) Aug 03 13:21:29 pointed somebody to recaller, who's been asking about PA interfacing to modem Aug 03 13:21:33 In general. Aug 03 13:21:52 These decisions are not made through deep introspection as to the best possible option. Aug 03 13:22:03 They're the decision of whoever codes something first. Aug 03 13:22:10 this look good : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59686 Aug 03 13:22:22 And the people who come behind with influence not having the energy/effor to change stuff. Aug 03 13:22:27 mobile youtube version is not bad too Aug 03 13:22:53 moblin: RPM, OBS: RPM... Aug 03 13:23:15 I couldn't care less Aug 03 13:23:56 tbh the RPM tools seem less obfuscated to me than the deb tools Aug 03 13:23:56 haj, because Moblin was really based on Fedora builds and lets face it MeeGo is basically the next version of Moblin Aug 03 13:24:04 only this time Nokia is involved Aug 03 13:25:41 Termana: I guess it's not something most people can't survive.. :) Aug 03 13:26:12 FUCKING RPM Aug 03 13:26:19 who cares? Aug 03 13:26:23 DPKG FTFW Aug 03 13:26:34 tgz!!! Aug 03 13:26:42 fools! Aug 03 13:26:45 DocScrutinizer: i won't if someone makes apt4rpm work Aug 03 13:26:55 ports FTW Aug 03 13:27:12 actually I can't really remember when I last had a problem with RPM... I just remember tons and tons of problems with dependencies in the older redhat's.. and problems upgrading the dists.. not sure it will be a problem on a handheld device... Aug 03 13:27:30 alias yum apt-get Aug 03 13:27:37 :-P Aug 03 13:27:41 mece: Yes, this would be nice if you could compile it for me. You might want to disable "Firefox3/Chromium cookie support" since it's not used and it has libsqlite3-dev dependency Aug 03 13:27:53 in fedora a least in my netbook installing app was soooo slow Aug 03 13:28:04 i mean the install moment , not the download Aug 03 13:28:10 Personally I think we should go back to tarball source building /sarcasim Aug 03 13:28:13 not sure if was because the ssd disk or something Aug 03 13:28:17 but was slooooooow Aug 03 13:28:23 fedora 13 Aug 03 13:28:30 OMFG!!! it takes 120s instead of 100 to *install* an app Aug 03 13:29:11 not to state HAM is particularly fast anyway Aug 03 13:29:15 crashanddie, what? Aug 03 13:29:19 fedora rocks ;) Aug 03 13:29:26 * nas_ = fedora user :p Aug 03 13:29:47 HAM is very slow too Aug 03 13:29:58 GAN900: nothing, just bored Aug 03 13:30:13 nas_ = old redhat butthurt user Aug 03 13:30:49 crashanddie, well, I could jab your ear off about the Rays' rookie starter that played last night. Aug 03 13:31:11 yeah, not that bored anyway Aug 03 13:31:21 oh look, a rock Aug 03 13:31:52 aahahahahahah Aug 03 13:32:13 indeed .. I was using redhat 10 years ago ;) Aug 03 13:33:41 err, correction: alias apt-get=yum; alias apt-cache=yum; alias dpkg=yum Aug 03 13:33:58 heh Aug 03 13:34:19 crashanddie, we got some Novaflex lense adaptors for the GH1 Aug 03 13:34:40 GAN900: did you try the steadicam? Aug 03 13:34:48 For a bunch of old Nikkor, Pentax and Chinese lenses my friend has got. Aug 03 13:34:48 GAN900: I didn't get the 5d nor steadicam :( Aug 03 13:34:59 Yeah, steadicam works great Aug 03 13:35:45 300mm mirror lens is fun Aug 03 13:36:03 The bokeh will disconnect you from reality. Aug 03 13:36:18 GAN900: you moved to Hollywood? Aug 03 13:36:38 300mm, in general, is kind a fun. having a depth of field of a few inches at ~10' Aug 03 13:36:45 GAN900: the bokeh on mirror lenses hurts my eyes Aug 03 13:37:30 mord, assuming you have the aperture, yes. Aug 03 13:37:46 Fixed at f/5.6 Aug 03 13:37:51 but no aperture control is balls Aug 03 13:38:56 Well, it was $20 Aug 03 13:40:05 plus the chromatic aberation and distortion is really weird Aug 03 13:40:21 GAN900: you should borrow my 200mm L f/2 lens Aug 03 13:41:01 now there's a lens :D Aug 03 13:42:28 Yeah Aug 03 13:42:44 I wish I had cash to toss around for shit like that. :P Aug 03 13:42:47 hya nayone using "screen/byobu" on the n900? Aug 03 13:42:59 oh and mutt? Aug 03 13:43:03 50mm 1.2 is kind of annoying, if you focus on the nose of someone at 1.2 then their ears are out of focus. Aug 03 13:43:13 * GAN900 is likely opting for a 27" Apple LCD instead. Aug 03 13:43:21 SwedeMike, that's the point. Aug 03 13:43:42 Most 1.2s are lots sharper around 2 anyway. Aug 03 13:43:59 topic? zeltak! Aug 03 13:44:00 yeah, but then I could just buy a 1.8 instead, apart frmo the build quality of course Aug 03 13:45:04 DocScrutinizer: what did i do wrong :) i looked at the mameo wiki/manpages before but i get unavilable message when i apt-get screen Aug 03 13:45:27 zeltak: *you* did nothing wrong :-) Aug 03 13:45:55 ah ok :) Aug 03 13:47:23 I've got screen on the N900, I think it's in the extras-tools repository. Aug 03 13:48:47 SwedeMike, and get worse glass, a crappy 5-blade aperture and cheap build. Aug 03 13:48:59 SwedeMike, so clearly the 1.2 isn't suited for you. ;) Aug 03 13:49:12 thx alterego ill look into that Aug 03 13:49:24 anyone using mutt btw? Aug 03 13:50:03 GAN900: nope, the 1.4 is probably a good compromise. Aug 03 13:51:43 SwedeMike: no, the f/1.8 canon 50mm is shit Aug 03 13:51:58 SwedeMike: it only get really sharp at around f/2.8 Aug 03 13:52:12 crashanddie: well, it's cheap :P Aug 03 13:52:15 or f/3.2 Aug 03 13:52:21 I paid 80EUR for it. Aug 03 13:52:30 well, it's the most basic lens they make Aug 03 13:52:33 yes. Aug 03 13:52:59 but when I was forking out all the money for my 15-85 IS and 7D that just happened to get bought at the same time :P Aug 03 13:53:00 it has shitty definition, AF is shit, BQ is shit, no sharpness at all, light leakage, it's worse that the chinese crap you get off ebay Aug 03 13:53:18 It really isn't my week with computers. Aug 03 13:54:07 I spill water on my laptop, so I have to take that apart to dry it but I had to buy a new keyboard. And last night the hard drive in my workstation died. Aug 03 13:54:13 The drive isn't even a year old :/ Aug 03 13:54:29 mirroring is your friend Aug 03 13:54:42 I've not lost any data. Aug 03 13:54:52 I just have two machines that are kind of out of commision. Aug 03 13:55:11 I've got my desktop working by installing ubuntu on an external hard drive. Which is actually working pretty well .. Aug 03 13:55:35 got the advance rma going for a replacement drive? :p Aug 03 13:56:32 * DocScrutinizer is fetching the USB drive to finally do a disk image Aug 03 13:56:48 Heh Aug 03 13:56:54 I'm just wating for #3 Aug 03 13:57:03 These things usually come in 3s ... Aug 03 13:57:25 dead external drive coming up in 10.. Aug 03 13:57:32 Heh Aug 03 13:57:39 The external drive is quite old actually :) Aug 03 14:06:02 hey guys, I need your thumbs up for this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python2.5-polib/0.5.1-3/ Aug 03 14:06:32 it's a Python library for manipulating Gettext translation catalogs (*.po files) Aug 03 14:06:51 I just packaged the original file for Maemo Aug 03 14:07:26 lauri: Doesn't need to be in user. Aug 03 14:07:43 lauri: Just depend on it in your app. Aug 03 14:08:04 lauri: This should not be a user installable app. Aug 03 14:08:24 And dependencies get automatically promoted. Aug 03 14:08:41 alrighty, just change the category field and thats it? Aug 03 14:08:47 yep Aug 03 14:10:17 X-Fade: so what should I put there? Aug 03 14:11:02 lauri: python? :) Aug 03 14:12:48 yeah Ubuntu has the same for the same package Aug 03 14:14:01 k Aug 03 14:14:05 but py2deb doesnt like it Aug 03 14:15:03 hi :) Aug 03 14:17:13 Anyone hooked up scratchbox to Nokia Qt SDK? Aug 03 14:18:16 i can't pythoning one it Aug 03 14:18:17 so Aug 03 14:19:15 alterego: if you do manage to sort it out, please let me know :D Aug 03 14:19:33 frals: sure, I'm gonna work on it this afternoon :) Aug 03 14:19:58 I don't think it'll be that hard. Aug 03 14:32:42 l Aug 03 14:33:18 _ Aug 03 14:47:42 Here goes the final package that needs promotion: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/transifex-mobile/0.3-7/ Aug 03 14:48:18 Blogpost about Transifex-mobile http://v6sa.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/transifex-mobile-release-candidate/ Aug 03 14:48:57 everyone: I need your thumbs up for final GSoC evaluation ;) Aug 03 14:50:36 lauri: i failed to understand what's its purpose :/ Aug 03 14:52:52 slonopotamus: Did you check the project description at http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Projects/transifex-mobile Aug 03 14:54:43 "Trransifex client application for Maemo which caches strings locally and submits them whenever possible." ... still no clue Aug 03 14:54:51 wow, somebody made a comment on my website Aug 03 14:55:01 and he had iq higher than monkey Aug 03 14:55:27 I think Transifex is something to do with sofware translations ... Aug 03 14:56:44 maybe "An application to translate software that integrates with a Transifex server and supports working offline"? Aug 03 14:57:13 slonopotamus: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=transifex Aug 03 14:57:14 :D Aug 03 14:57:21 <_0x47> is anyone running the latest kernel-power fine? Aug 03 14:57:25 <_0x47> from extras-devel Aug 03 14:57:54 _0x47: "latest"? Aug 03 14:58:23 _0x47: 2.6.28.10power37 here Aug 03 14:58:41 <_0x47> i think i'm talking about 38 Aug 03 14:58:54 <_0x47> it seems to be broken to me Aug 03 14:58:58 <_0x47> had to reflash the kernel Aug 03 14:59:05 <_0x47> brb Aug 03 15:01:11 * DocScrutinizer wonders if that's the power kernel that's broken, or maybe the SoC starting to act up due to OC :-P Aug 03 15:01:26 ... Aug 03 15:01:34 DocScrutinizer: stop the FUD :P Aug 03 15:01:46 that's NO fud Aug 03 15:01:59 better fix miniusb port :) Aug 03 15:02:07 huh?? Aug 03 15:02:25 can i get @Maemo/troll/jacekowski cloak? Aug 03 15:02:36 lol Aug 03 15:02:36 DocScrutinizer: they continue to fall of (see yesterday's planet maemo) Aug 03 15:03:24 slonopotamus: amazing. Seems it's been off before I got my both devices... No mini USB on any of the N900 Aug 03 15:03:45 lol Aug 03 15:03:50 s/mini/micro/ details... Aug 03 15:04:05 i think mine doesn't have miniusb as well Aug 03 15:04:15 darn Aug 03 15:04:17 mine does! Aug 03 15:04:24 it grew about 3 weeks ago Aug 03 15:04:33 gnhnhnhn Aug 03 15:04:33 after it was naughty with MohammadAG51's n900 Aug 03 15:07:28 jacekowski: how's charging thingie? Aug 03 15:07:55 * DocScrutinizer yawns while staring on that progress report of backup tool claiming it got md5sumed 0.5 of the 30GB to backup. Hopes it will finish before drive to backup dies from infirmity Aug 03 15:08:18 i've got thing almost done but with ugly hacks so i can test it on my phone Aug 03 15:08:23 without flashing kernel Aug 03 15:08:36 i have to finish it off at some point Aug 03 15:08:43 but i spend to much time on IRC Aug 03 15:08:52 jacekowski: published somewhere? Aug 03 15:10:33 no Aug 03 15:10:43 i'm not going to publish code i'm not happy with Aug 03 15:11:23 wise Aug 03 15:12:00 i just don't want shit code be published somewhere with my name on it Aug 03 15:20:41 I gather by charging thingie we are referring to the bq24150 kernel driver to access this chip via sane sysnodes? Aug 03 15:21:13 or smth known as "jrbme" Aug 03 15:21:39 mhm, jrbme is beyond that driver though Aug 03 15:22:15 well, currently jrbme is just an empty garage project :) Aug 03 15:22:33 jrbme just replaces bme - bme is a userland process, and so will be jrbme Aug 03 15:22:53 slonopotamus: well, from your pov that's correct Aug 03 15:25:14 god, tmo really is just a big pile of steaming shit Aug 03 15:25:24 you're discovering this *now*? Aug 03 15:25:33 :D Aug 03 15:25:46 there's been lots of promises from Nokia to help with specs, or even NDA and looking into the code of bme to write down a decent requirements spec on our own, as it seems Nokia has difficulties doing even such little as publishing req-spec. Alas nothing of that ever happened Aug 03 15:26:05 <_0x47> DocScrutinizer: if it was the OC that made my device not boot, how do you explain it booting with the default kernel? Aug 03 15:26:10 (jrbme that is) Aug 03 15:26:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43395&page=5 Aug 03 15:26:31 crashanddie: irc is a better place :) Aug 03 15:27:06 <_0x47> slonopotamus: care trying out the maemo38 version? but backup you device before. Aug 03 15:27:53 * DocScrutinizer shoots at _0x47's wetware CPU with a 850MeV addicting ion gun, again Aug 03 15:28:16 _0x47: not in nearest 2 hours Aug 03 15:29:07 woho, fmms finally made it to maemo.org frontpage \o/ Aug 03 15:30:18 about time Aug 03 15:32:05 ~tell _0x47 about omap-oc Aug 03 15:32:20 <_0x47> No chance, DocScrutinizer, the mighty CPU of mine absorbs the ion storm with it's stunning stable 850Mhz. Did you brick your device from OCing? Aug 03 15:32:22 ~tell _0x47 about overclocking Aug 03 15:32:27 any good shows/movies I could watch? Aug 03 15:32:46 Inception? Aug 03 15:33:06 inception was pretty good Aug 03 15:33:09 well, I can't go to the movies in France Aug 03 15:33:22 crashanddie, pourquoi? Aug 03 15:33:23 and I don't really fancy watching a good movie as a screener Aug 03 15:33:30 deeper , deeper , deeper ! Aug 03 15:33:33 MohammadAG: because they're in French, or not yet here? Aug 03 15:33:36 ~stab MohammadAG Aug 03 15:33:37 * infobot runs at MohammadAG with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Aug 03 15:33:59 Dubbed in French 13:50 16:20 19:00 21:30 Aug 03 15:33:59 Dubbed in French 13:50 16:00 16:40 18:45 19:20 21:20 22:10 Aug 03 15:34:02 <_0x47> DocScrutinizer: What is omap-oc? I found the kernel-power quite useful, as it let's me OC dynamically. Aug 03 15:34:11 Original Language: Not shown Aug 03 15:34:24 ~omap-oc Aug 03 15:34:26 i heard omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! Aug 03 15:34:38 crashanddie, dubbed? that's kinda lame Aug 03 15:35:01 i was in strasburg and saw a subtitled American movie :) Aug 03 15:35:01 MohammadAG: every movie is like that Aug 03 15:35:10 it was nearly 2 years ago now Aug 03 15:35:19 Movies here are subtitled Aug 03 15:35:21 MohammadAG: the closest theatre that'll show films in English is roughly 150km from here. Aug 03 15:35:21 no one dubs shit Aug 03 15:35:31 crashanddie, road trips ftw Aug 03 15:35:48 but it's a shitty experience, small theatre, dark, sticky, shows porns during the night Aug 03 15:35:56 wtf Aug 03 15:35:58 well "shit" doesn't need any dub, the word is international Aug 03 15:36:07 DocScrutinizer: gtfo Aug 03 15:37:15 * lcuk watched entire Taxi series of french films with only subtitles - kinda strange but cool film Aug 03 15:37:31 crashanddie: what did you expect - in FRANCE?! They even MUST play >50% french songs in radio Aug 03 15:37:40 well yeah, I know that Aug 03 15:37:50 And 50% of all food you eat must be frogs legs. Aug 03 15:37:52 I'm just saying: not something too recent, won't be able to watch it Aug 03 15:37:53 So, rather than a maemo VM, I've instead created a Maemo ubuntu 10.04 based USB boot disk, with the Nokia Qt SDK and the scratchbox Maemo SDK installed :) Aug 03 15:37:56 lcuk, heh, seen those movies too Aug 03 15:38:05 Though the drive should work in a VM aswell Aug 03 15:38:29 alterego, you're being on topic when off topic is the new on topic Aug 03 15:38:35 any other recommendations? Aug 03 15:38:56 alterego, capiche? Aug 03 15:39:19 alterego, what does that give? Aug 03 15:39:19 hmm Aug 03 15:39:21 <_0x47> eh wtf is wrong with taht infobot Aug 03 15:39:22 do you boot into it Aug 03 15:39:23 <_0x47> lol Aug 03 15:39:24 alterego, how big is it? Aug 03 15:39:25 <_0x47> g2g Aug 03 15:39:26 or do you use that in a vm Aug 03 15:39:27 <_0x47> cu Aug 03 15:39:37 lcuk: either Aug 03 15:39:44 okay Aug 03 15:39:47 cos that sounds cool Aug 03 15:40:09 * lcuk did not get on with vmware on windows though Aug 03 15:40:13 I did it once, but the mount points backfired on a different PC Aug 03 15:40:26 should've used UUIDs Aug 03 15:40:27 wooohooo, 0.88GB of 30 Aug 03 15:40:39 free? Aug 03 15:40:51 MohammadAG: I'll let you know when it's finished installing ;) Aug 03 15:40:55 heh, kk Aug 03 15:40:59 lcuk: quicker than VM Aug 03 15:41:00 you'd definitely not run this backup tool once a day Aug 03 15:41:05 DocScrutinizer: don't eat cucumbers. everyone who ate cucumbers is either dead or will be soon. they're heck lot more dangerous than running cpus at higher freqs. Aug 03 15:41:07 Proper native environment Aug 03 15:41:15 alterego, you could dd it and sell it for $0 Aug 03 15:41:31 Easier to share projects and data between machines. Aug 03 15:41:34 no, he could buy bulk usb sticks and sell those preloaded :P Aug 03 15:41:36 Jaffa: ping... Aug 03 15:41:36 And it's more portable. Aug 03 15:41:53 slonopotamus: OC is not dangerous, it just wears out your CPU Aug 03 15:42:08 lies, a nearby penguin could explode Aug 03 15:42:21 ok, maybe Aug 03 15:42:23 DocScrutinizer: all states except turned off wear out cpu Aug 03 15:42:33 no Aug 03 15:42:42 slonopotamus, don't twist facts :) Aug 03 15:42:54 not if you apply any reasonable threshold Aug 03 15:42:56 well, actually stuff degrades even when turned off Aug 03 15:43:05 it's like saying smoking is k since you'll die anyways Aug 03 15:43:37 MohammadAG: exactly, yep. it's irrelevant whether you smoke or not if you die by being hit by a car Aug 03 15:43:57 and phones usually die by falling. Aug 03 15:44:17 * DocScrutinizer hits slonopotamus with a 30T lorry Aug 03 15:44:26 * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer Aug 03 15:45:46 ooh, that's been 'by' not 'with' - sorry Aug 03 15:46:32 well so maybe you die from being hit by DocScrutinizer51 with a car Aug 03 15:47:13 hitten? Aug 03 15:47:19 meh Aug 03 15:47:55 my pidgin getting worse every day Aug 03 15:48:38 need visit taipei to refresh Aug 03 15:49:00 What's the equiv to nano on maemo? Aug 03 15:49:05 nano Aug 03 15:49:07 SWFu64: nano Aug 03 15:49:11 lol Aug 03 15:49:18 mcedit :-P Aug 03 15:49:22 vi Aug 03 15:49:30 Thought, so can't find the package though?! Aug 03 15:49:34 DocScrutinizer: PSI FTW Aug 03 15:49:49 SWFu64 I swear that's one of my old passwords :D Aug 03 15:50:10 luke-jr: btw overclocking. i observe longer battery life with 125/850mhz setup Aug 03 15:50:32 actually, cpus wear out even when turned off Aug 03 15:50:32 Which repo is it in? Aug 03 15:50:33 slonopotamus: you forgot to add ", and shorter cpu life" Aug 03 15:51:01 * DocScrutinizer waiting for luke-jr saying "pidgin? tonal FTW!" Aug 03 15:51:04 but i'm thinking about OC myself Aug 03 15:51:13 i mean, i don't need phone to last 2 years Aug 03 15:51:14 anybody at the n900 owners comunity evern research that time life limit ? Aug 03 15:51:20 i wonder what will happen Aug 03 15:51:24 just stop of working ? Aug 03 15:51:27 jacekowski: my n900 doesn't have cpu life indicator, sadly. Aug 03 15:51:38 slonopotamus, 125MHz decreases battery life Aug 03 15:51:44 hi all Aug 03 15:51:46 but having it little bit faster would be nice Aug 03 15:51:54 and 125MHz is *instable* Aug 03 15:51:57 ideal ftw :D Aug 03 15:52:00 ... Aug 03 15:52:04 otherwise, well... you know, Nokia could've made it go down to 125 Aug 03 15:52:19 jacekowski: fair enough Aug 03 15:52:20 DocScrutinizer: for me, 2 weeks of uptime doesn't count as unstable Aug 03 15:52:37 well Aug 03 15:52:42 unstable doesn't necessarily mean kernel panic Aug 03 15:52:44 agreeing with overclockers is a lost cause Aug 03 15:53:02 enough warnings were already given out Aug 03 15:53:09 with vanilla settings i don't get more than 1 day of uptime, run out of battery before get home Aug 03 15:53:36 overclocking is stupid Aug 03 15:53:40 indeed Aug 03 15:53:57 want a 1GHz device? sell the N900 Aug 03 15:54:01 slonopotamus: then you seriously fucked up the default. So probably changing to power kernel just fixes some of that fuckup Aug 03 15:54:10 ... Aug 03 15:54:14 want a 1.7GHz device? buy a laptop Aug 03 15:54:25 they should bring out two battery model so you don't have to shutdown while changing backup batteries :) Aug 03 15:54:31 MohammadAG: that's too much Aug 03 15:54:34 what if i want just 1ghz? Aug 03 15:54:40 pexi: dongle it Aug 03 15:54:44 buy a desire or something Aug 03 15:54:49 or buy a beagleboard xM Aug 03 15:54:57 What if I want 601Mhz? Aug 03 15:55:10 kerio, yep Aug 03 15:55:19 no, i mean Aug 03 15:55:24 alterego, can't be properly divided afaik Aug 03 15:55:31 Damn Aug 03 15:55:35 602 Aug 03 15:55:36 What about 800Mhz? Aug 03 15:55:39 DocScrutinizer enginereed a dongle that allows battery hotswap Aug 03 15:55:40 same Aug 03 15:55:47 alterego: then you're out of luck. No valid divide factor for clock speed Aug 03 15:56:11 Oh wait, I've got a PIII 800Mhz Aug 03 15:56:24 tis a shame P3 != ARM :P Aug 03 15:57:13 Oh, we're talking about ARM ... Aug 03 15:57:29 I always did wonder why Nokia didn't put a Z-80 in the N900.... Aug 03 15:57:59 I wanted a cell processor @ 3.2GHz on the N900 Aug 03 15:58:03 yeah, can be overclocked safely to ~x2.5 or even x3 Aug 03 15:58:20 MohammadAG: i always wanted phone with water cooling Aug 03 15:58:32 slonopotamus: I worry about even the CPU life of 600 MHz Aug 03 15:58:47 you can remember all those instructions... try that with your Cortex A8 Aug 03 15:58:49 I remember running my Z-80A 4MHz @ 12MHz Aug 03 15:59:07 jacekowski, drop it down the toilet Aug 03 15:59:24 and a eZ80 can run up to 50Mhz... that's like 12+ times faster then your normal Z-80... take that overclockers! Aug 03 15:59:43 lol Aug 03 16:00:10 luke-jr: thing is that data published by TI is the worst case scenario data Aug 03 16:00:21 jacekowski: would it be water resistant? Aug 03 16:00:31 Ciuldf I go swimming with this phone and use it asw an underwater camera? Aug 03 16:00:32 anyways Aug 03 16:00:37 i'm going home Aug 03 16:00:48 jacekowski: (worst case) not exactly, it's statistical data Aug 03 16:00:49 "Screw you guys, I'm going home" Aug 03 16:02:58 jacekowski: like "99.9% of 3530 will survivie 100.000h @ 500MHz, 5000h @ 600MHz, 500h @800MHz..." Aug 03 16:04:03 the statistics this is based on are known as bathtub curve Aug 03 16:06:03 and you bet TI did mass tests with 500 chips@750, 500 @800, 500 @850, and so on, and checked how long it takes until some certain percentage of them failed Aug 03 16:07:21 so they get the data to inetrpolate/extrapolate the curves for both 99.9% of living chips as well as a figure like 100.000h @ MHz which obviously is a generic value and not based on real tests Aug 03 16:07:37 something I always wonder when I read things like that, how does this testing get done (seriously) do companies sit on the product for [&TIME] until they know the longevity Aug 03 16:08:59 "ok, we have had this batch in testing for 5 years, lets release" Aug 03 16:09:17 * lcuk is curious Aug 03 16:09:57 as mentioned above, they have testfields where 500 or 1000 chips are in simple testcircuits running a carefully designed burn in program, and when a LED starts lighting then the chip failed on some instruction in that test Aug 03 16:11:53 they do that on extreme conditions (like overclocking :-D ) and from long years of statistics they know when it takes 1000h @ nominal clock x 1.2 to burn out, then @ nominal the living time for same chip is x factor xxx Aug 03 16:13:32 lcuk: they do usage that is equal to N amount of time Aug 03 16:13:49 they add some promille for errors in their really good statistical material, and that's how they spec and sell and guarantee the chips then Aug 03 16:14:17 sure, thanks and i should have looked up before typing that Aug 03 16:14:29 I know (for other products then cpu's/chips) that you can have a demo of a basically finished product and then have the retail product 6months or more later... where in these 6months this is where they have to do retail, distribution, packaging and a hole lot more... but also still be doing stress tests and burn in tests before the factory starts pushing out the product with the final specs.. Aug 03 16:15:03 oh, i understand that from software side Aug 03 16:15:12 i was just curious about hw Aug 03 16:15:34 (in my case it is about hardware :) just not computer hardware :) Aug 03 16:16:08 trbs: exactly Aug 03 16:16:55 anyways i'll be heading home, bbl :) Aug 03 16:16:56 have fun Aug 03 16:17:33 How can I create an app shortcut which will execute a shell command? e.g. ettercap -G Aug 03 16:17:54 SWFu64, there is an exceution widget i believe Aug 03 16:18:00 and beecon does it too afaik Aug 03 16:18:08 those are simplest methods Aug 03 16:18:22 * alterego wonders when the Harmatten SDK will arrive. Aug 03 16:18:24 Just the kind of answer I was hoping for Aug 03 16:18:27 Thanks Aug 03 16:18:31 We had the M5 SDK ages before the device .. Aug 03 16:18:51 * lcuk giggles Aug 03 16:19:27 Hmm, The Bumblebee Conservation Trust, haha Aug 03 16:19:31 SWFu64: queenBeeCon, or desktop commandline execution widget Aug 03 16:19:53 Thank Aug 03 16:19:56 s Aug 03 16:19:58 yw Aug 03 16:20:41 alterego: methinks harmattan RIP Aug 03 16:21:09 DocScrutinizer: that's extremelyt unlikely :P Aug 03 16:21:59 hey Aug 03 16:22:08 DocScrutinizer: nah, they put too much money on it already Aug 03 16:22:13 they'll put meego's UX over it Aug 03 16:22:20 and they'll call it a day Aug 03 16:22:24 they re-dedicated it to meego Aug 03 16:22:29 harmattan edition Aug 03 16:22:36 anyone ever had their n900's presence claim to be online for GTalk and SIP w/o any network? Aug 03 16:23:10 what ? Aug 03 16:23:21 Not for SIP, no gtalk here Aug 03 16:23:21 DocScrutinizer: hey, at least it won't be rpm-based Aug 03 16:23:34 kerio: why not? Aug 03 16:23:58 maybe that's exactly what they're doing this very moment: port harmattan over to RPM Aug 03 16:24:16 which they is this? Aug 03 16:24:17 and meego Aug 03 16:24:34 harmattan's core arch froze ages ago Aug 03 16:24:38 timeless: Nokia unknown behind the walls Aug 03 16:25:00 as did the requirements for it Aug 03 16:25:21 timeless: so is there any official word we'll see a maemo harmattan any time? Aug 03 16:25:43 there is no official word about anything Aug 03 16:25:48 lol Aug 03 16:25:51 yeah Aug 03 16:25:51 and certainly never from me Aug 03 16:26:08 timeless: why not just leak everything you know to DocScrutinizer? Aug 03 16:26:10 but, harmattan needs to ship before 2018 Aug 03 16:26:26 ooh, I see XD Aug 03 16:26:33 well, maybe 2019 or 2020 aat thelatest Aug 03 16:26:55 I guess that's also in the feature freeze? ;-P Aug 03 16:27:30 i tend to find out about those when i ask for features Aug 03 16:27:43 i haven't had the energy to do that for harmattan Aug 03 16:27:56 so i couldn't say Aug 03 16:28:43 timeless: but maybe you got a raw figure about how many of your colleagues are working on harmatten ATM? Aug 03 16:29:06 s/ten/tan Aug 03 16:30:05 almost all of them? :) Aug 03 16:30:29 * DocScrutinizer curses having closed the browser window with that link without creating a bookmark Aug 03 16:30:34 we aren't supposed to give out numbers Aug 03 16:30:51 not even the price you paid for lunch? Aug 03 16:30:59 I wasn't hoping for absolute numbers Aug 03 16:31:07 i don't hold numbers that well Aug 03 16:31:21 but i think i was just billed 19.90 for dinner Aug 03 16:31:41 but that's two meals, one's a preorder Aug 03 16:32:23 lunch for the table was around 45iirc Aug 03 16:32:32 but we chose to split it Aug 03 16:32:55 * timeless could havw just eaten it Aug 03 16:33:01 a statement like "on our weekly harmattan meeting the room/channel/whatever is pretty (comprehensive|crowded|sparsely filled|empty) wouldn't be any numbers Aug 03 16:33:05 ... i'm in a sports bar Aug 03 16:33:22 lunch time , bbl Aug 03 16:33:33 a girl in the next booth started moaning as if... Aug 03 16:34:01 well there's quite some sorts of sport Aug 03 16:35:11 timeless: or maybe there's been no more harmattan meeting for the last 4 mnths or so? Aug 03 16:35:28 prolly there never was any :-D Aug 03 16:35:44 nevertheless you get the picture Aug 03 16:37:59 * DocScrutinizer ponders about >> almost all of them? :)<< being sarcastic or a nice clue Aug 03 16:38:31 my colleagues is limited to browser team Aug 03 16:38:45 not bad Aug 03 16:39:06 generally most people will work on the primary project Aug 03 16:39:09 timeless: Can you say anything about the weekly browser team orgies? Aug 03 16:39:11 but then probably browser doesn't care much about underlying OS Aug 03 16:39:21 a couple might do maint or future research Aug 03 16:39:29 doc: it tends to curse it regularly Aug 03 16:40:02 but otherwise, if you ignore wanting to have "any other underlying os", the browser tries hard not to care :) Aug 03 16:40:37 that's how much I thought, yeah Aug 03 16:41:44 well, n the end who cares if it's RPM or debs, if it's called maemo harmattan, or meego harmattan edition, or simply meego 1.0 Aug 03 16:42:22 I for one got other things to worry about Aug 03 16:44:52 like what? Electromigration? Aug 03 16:45:16 ooooh, burn Aug 03 16:45:23 fsck electromig. It's not happening on *my* devices Aug 03 16:45:26 well, cpu wear Aug 03 16:46:36 or at least in such small amounts and during such small durations so I'm not worried about N900 still working in 5 years - and I hope to still use it in 5 years Aug 03 16:46:45 ;-) Aug 03 16:47:04 I have a feeling mine wont see meego 1.0 Aug 03 16:47:20 meego 1.0 is long past Aug 03 16:47:21 :P Aug 03 16:47:27 we're on road to 1.1 atm Aug 03 16:47:50 which is timelined for what? November? Aug 03 16:47:57 october isnt it? Aug 03 16:47:58 lol, well a phone with meego on it ;-) Aug 03 16:48:20 or am i remembering wrong again... *scratches head* Aug 03 16:48:32 maybe october Aug 03 16:48:38 asking Stskeeps Aug 03 16:48:47 october, yeah Aug 03 16:48:50 k Aug 03 16:48:55 toggles: in a sales package? Aug 03 16:49:02 yeah.. Aug 03 16:49:05 so jrbme should finally come to pace Aug 03 16:49:10 i think you can put meego on an n900 today ;b Aug 03 16:49:23 and make a call? Aug 03 16:49:50 i like the n900 ui too much to use meego as is Aug 03 16:49:54 Stskeeps: you sorted out that bme segfaults on meego yet? Aug 03 16:50:12 DocScrutinizer: surprisingly enough i don't deal with the internal blobs, but i think we did Aug 03 16:50:32 mhm, but a blob remains a blob Aug 03 16:51:38 I could care mor about meego if it wasn't for the generally hostile athmosphere I feel there, but bme on meego - that gives me nightmares Aug 03 16:51:41 DocScrutinizer: http://www.asharperfocus.us/THE_BLOB-4.jpg Aug 03 16:52:51 hmm yummy, lolly with background Aug 03 16:53:17 DocScrutinizer: if you mean #meego-arm i'd say cautious instead of hostile, but sure Aug 03 16:53:25 rest of the place, well, that gets interesting Aug 03 16:53:50 #meego-arm is relatively nice place Aug 03 16:54:12 compared to web presence and #meego at large Aug 03 16:55:07 Is it possible to lauch a website with the default browser from the command line? Aug 03 16:56:35 yeah, 0.99 of 30GB - damn my PC HDD will fall to dust before that friggin backup is finished Aug 03 16:57:56 SWFu64: dbus Aug 03 16:58:24 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/dbus Aug 03 16:58:33 I can't just give the browser an agruement? Aug 03 16:59:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-google Aug 03 17:00:54 Cheers Aug 03 17:03:13 Hi Aug 03 17:03:42 red pill mode dead for HAM-pr1.2 ? Aug 03 17:05:31 (I know the fancy easter egg enabling mode was dead since 1.1, but there's still been 'echo "redpill-mode 1" >>~user/.osso/hildon-application-manager' Aug 03 17:06:01 seems nonfunct for 1.2 HAM) Aug 03 17:07:44 s/easter egg enabling/matrix/ Aug 03 17:08:34 red-pill-mode for those actually pondering to try Aug 03 17:17:23 Correct that I can use string:"" or string:'' ? Aug 03 17:17:44 err, not sure, but probably Aug 03 17:17:58 if that's 2 single ticks Aug 03 17:18:14 Yeah Aug 03 17:18:37 I know _somewhere_ it makes a diff, but maybe that's been SQL Aug 03 17:57:03 yo. Aug 03 18:01:29 I just reflashed my n900 with a copy of pr 1.2 and now it cannot connect to my home wifi Aug 03 18:01:36 3g still works though - any suggestions? Aug 03 18:04:54 jef91: but can the n900 see your wireless network ? Aug 03 18:05:52 i flashed mine yesterday. no probs here. working better and faster actually Aug 03 18:19:47 * lardman is not keen on using a single monitor Aug 03 18:20:22 moo lardman, how is life? Aug 03 18:21:55 RST38h: not bad, just got back from 3 weeks in the US & Canada Aug 03 18:22:11 and just sent my wife's car to the garage to try to get her cambelt fixed... Aug 03 18:22:22 so good and bad I guess ;) Aug 03 18:22:25 and you? Aug 03 18:23:38 * lardman browses for example python dbus code to test his mBarcode plugin Aug 03 18:23:43 lardman: really shitty weather for the last two months, 30-38oC Aug 03 18:24:01 ow Aug 03 18:24:06 lardman: ironically, just sent my wife's car for repairs yesterday :) Aug 03 18:24:18 lardman: what are you after in terms of dbus code? fmms has plenty of it in python ;) Aug 03 18:24:46 frals: I just need to register a handler for a message that my mBarcode plugin will send Aug 03 18:25:00 lardman: add to that general lack of air conditioning here, burning peat bogs, and the dust, and you get the picture Aug 03 18:25:17 RST38h: that is quite warm - was a bit hotter in Las Vegas, but very dry so not too unbearable Aug 03 18:25:33 and not too many peat bogs that I saw :) Aug 03 18:25:35 lardman: daemon style: http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/fmmsd.py Aug 03 18:25:57 lardman: Vegas is actually ok as long as you do not stay in the sun for long Aug 03 18:26:04 I've created a shell script to flip my n900 in to forward mode but I get this error when running it: : nonexistent directory1: cannot create /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 03 18:26:09 frals: thanks, looking now Aug 03 18:26:16 Why would that be, it obviously does Aug 03 18:26:24 RST38h: exactly - those water spraying fans are a God-send :) Aug 03 18:26:41 lardman: I have suicidally decided to walk (!) from Hilton to the university campus, and it has been somewhat heroic Aug 03 18:27:16 Just running echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward on the command line works fine also Aug 03 18:27:18 lardman: Aug 03 18:32:57 hi all Aug 03 18:34:56 RST38h: :) Aug 03 18:37:25 http://easylinuxcds.com/blog/?p=3945 Aug 03 18:39:28 lardman: How is the mbarcode stuff coming along these days? Aug 03 18:39:33 I haven't actually looked at it in ages. Aug 03 18:39:40 hey derf Aug 03 18:39:55 well the backend is the same as ever, so 1D could do with some tweaking Aug 03 18:40:32 but the frontend looks nicer and we have a plugin system (for C++) and I'm just testing a plugin which can link external apps to a button in mBarcode via DBus Aug 03 18:40:56 as not all apps really work as plugins (e.g. map app to handle geo://) Aug 03 18:41:07 http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/icharge.html Aug 03 18:41:24 also mBarcode broadcasts a "decoded" message to any running and listening apps Aug 03 18:41:34 * RST38h laughs satanically: apparently, even *charging* an Apple product has to be licensed Aug 03 18:44:30 Why won't a shell script let me cd / ? Aug 03 18:44:56 derf: more barcode types (coloured ones..., stacked 1D which zbar partially supports, etc,) would be cool Aug 03 18:45:18 also need to work on some JSON plugins to extract nicely formatted data about EAN codes Aug 03 18:45:26 * lcuk slides a pint along the extremely long bar towards lardman Aug 03 18:45:27 bbiab, supper time Aug 03 18:45:38 thanks lcuk, vino on the go atm though ;) Aug 03 18:45:46 that works too Aug 03 18:45:50 * lcuk drinks pint Aug 03 18:45:50 I think spadix said he was working on native DataMatrix support. Aug 03 18:45:53 cya later Aug 03 18:46:19 But I'm not sure if any other formats are planned. Aug 03 18:46:27 derf: that would be interesting, I've also spoken to the libdmtx author who acknowledges the slowness of the current code and is re-writing Aug 03 18:46:32 What's the problem with colored ones? Aug 03 18:46:37 no decoders Aug 03 18:46:50 for the coloured ones where the colour adds information Aug 03 18:46:52 dnt you just decode each plane individually as greyscale? Aug 03 18:47:05 but that might just be a M$ invention with no specs Aug 03 18:47:09 Oh, you mean different formats. Aug 03 18:47:12 yep Aug 03 18:47:13 Yeah, I've seen that. Aug 03 18:47:21 I'm not sure that's actually used anywhere yet. Aug 03 18:47:21 anyway, bbiab, will check the log Aug 03 18:55:55 now that's pretty bad - texrat broke his 2nd microUSB Aug 03 18:56:52 damn, if not even Nokia can afford to hire experienced and savvy EE, who then does? Aug 03 18:57:13 thruhole - 1100% ACK Aug 03 18:57:13 apple Aug 03 18:57:14 :P Aug 03 18:57:57 SMT receptacles... Duh what a nerd invented that sort of shit? Aug 03 18:59:06 hi Aug 03 18:59:38 http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/08/03/1743240/Hardware-Hackers-Reveal-Apples-Charger-Secrets Aug 03 19:00:18 I'd say Nokia urgently needs to review their droptest specs. If droptests were specified with adapters attached, kbd slide open, etc then this crappy USB never made it even to PV Aug 03 19:01:03 i broke one n900 when i dropped it while charging :-( Aug 03 19:01:10 hell, as well they could have done the droptests while N900 boxed Aug 03 19:01:34 well actually only the microUSB broke Aug 03 19:04:53 oh cool from windows xp ping/ssh/whatever Nokia-N900.local work Aug 03 19:05:27 frals: See my previous message ;) Aug 03 19:05:38 frals: about that Apple crap Aug 03 19:05:44 yea ^^ Aug 03 19:06:11 It is amazing how far up the collective userbase ass they have got their plunger Aug 03 19:06:29 i let my n900 3 time by now Aug 03 19:06:36 not damage so far Aug 03 19:08:01 Kaadlajk, what is your next step, did you find out where we can buy microusb slots. i have here a broken too Aug 03 19:08:38 lynxis: fortunately the microusb still worked if you bent the connector right way Aug 03 19:09:35 also it wasnt my phone it was one of those "not for sale" phones that press got Aug 03 19:09:54 yes, that is one of them too ... Aug 03 19:09:55 Hi all ! Aug 03 19:10:08 had it for 6months then 1 week before i had to return it i dropped it ;-0 Aug 03 19:11:19 Kaadlajk: this simply shouldn't happen Aug 03 19:11:25 On the move to made a pyqt home desktop screen i finally revert back to made a simple python script to use with desktop command widget :) Aug 03 19:11:35 Kaadlajk: there's better ways to build such things Aug 03 19:11:41 funny as every thing can just be simple commands : Aug 03 19:11:43 :) Aug 03 19:12:33 DocScrutinizer, i read you article about hot-swapbattery change & the bme. You aren't also a dsme guru ? Aug 03 19:12:48 Kaadlajk: there's those spring contact type receptacles used for headset connector and also for N810 2mm barrel power jack Aug 03 19:13:03 lynxis: not really Aug 03 19:13:41 just know dsme once was published source, and roughly how it's used on maemo Aug 03 19:14:19 lynxis: what's the issue? Aug 03 19:14:21 k. havent searched for that. dmse is actually my next problem @meego. it gets all the cputime Aug 03 19:14:35 at MEEEGO Aug 03 19:14:37 lol Aug 03 19:14:43 that was a really big stone on my way to meego Aug 03 19:15:48 sorry no idea what's meego's plan for dsme Aug 03 19:16:28 probably they'd want to make their processes so stable they do not need a restarter daemon like dsme Aug 03 19:16:36 :-P Aug 03 19:17:15 DocScrutinizer: yeah atleast with the 2mm power jack the male plug breaks before the phone :) Aug 03 19:17:17 but it seems to be, that i'm not the only one who gots problem with dmse. Aug 03 19:17:41 meego takes hours to create a openssh-key because it need some cputime. Aug 03 19:17:54 lbt: pong Aug 03 19:17:59 and, as that's exactly the type of system architecture that's done in a pub by 3 people on meego, and then you have to live with it, I'm largely uninterested in the whole matter Aug 03 19:18:54 comments/critics solicited, please send to /dev/null Aug 03 19:20:56 and 3 cheers on meego "you can send patches later" policy Aug 03 19:24:48 DocScrutinizer: launchd? Aug 03 19:25:03 it works fine on the iphone Aug 03 19:26:15 mece: Did you had time to compile aria2? Aug 03 19:26:27 is openssh keygen blocked on cpu, or does it need entropy? Aug 03 19:26:39 it does need entropy Aug 03 19:26:44 loads of it Aug 03 19:26:44 regarding all this I really wonder why so many users are concerned about developers possibly moving to meego and leave maemo behind. I fI were a developer I'd rather ignore meego and happily develop for maemo - until *maybe* one happy day there *might* be a device that runs with meego only _and_ meets my preferences (which seems is unlikely to come anytime soon), and yet then you'd think it should be much easier to develop on maemo and then Aug 03 19:26:46 port to meego rather than other way round Aug 03 19:27:10 yeah Aug 03 19:27:31 I suppose there are two kinds of developers: those who want to sell stuff and earn $$$, and those who want to use their own apps Aug 03 19:27:58 the first kind might run away to meego (but more likely will run away to android/iOS) Aug 03 19:29:31 i trust the latter more Aug 03 19:30:15 the former is not on maemo anyway Aug 03 19:30:15 mgedmin: well, run to obj-c or java? Aug 03 19:30:22 If I were MrMeEgo I'd be concerned about how to attract any developers at all for such a hostile "take it or leave it" environment and architecture Aug 03 19:31:05 DocScrutinizer: Maemo is far from perfect, but it is based on Deb and Gtk. Everything else is a step back for me. Rpm dependency hell and the latest KDE4 even needs java dependencies to get build. Aug 03 19:31:41 KDE4 :-x Aug 03 19:31:50 just F....! Aug 03 19:32:00 DocScrutinizer: but it has a cute interface! that must account for something, right? Aug 03 19:32:11 other than that RPM is my smallest pain Aug 03 19:32:16 qt! Aug 03 19:32:36 (tbf i always preferred gtk to qt) Aug 03 19:32:37 DocScrutinizer: Nokia and Intel are going to regret the MeeGo move Aug 03 19:33:05 crashanddie: out of morbid curiousity, why? Aug 03 19:33:10 I come home and my N810 is dead and battv 3.01.. Aug 03 19:33:21 eeeew Aug 03 19:33:30 Stskeeps: because as DocScrutinizer said, they will have 0 inovative input from the community Aug 03 19:33:52 Stskeeps: they might get it to viable commercial point, but I doubt a lot of tink tanks will play with it Aug 03 19:33:57 I think deb and rpm both have dependency hell :) Aug 03 19:34:30 http://khertan.net/articles/conboy_note_to_text Aug 03 19:34:31 :) Aug 03 19:34:46 ShadowJK, setup.py will win ! Aug 03 19:34:52 crashanddie: mmkay Aug 03 19:34:54 Certainly the people downloading random .debs and trying to install them run into it :) Aug 03 19:35:11 Stskeeps: Auke has been extremely rude, insulting and condescending towards the OS people who were just hoping to help. Everyone has been told "fuck off, nothing to see". There is absolutely no involvement from the community in any area, and now that the blogs have stopped talking about it, the mailing lists are dead Aug 03 19:35:15 oh wow, charging screen eventually appeared Aug 03 19:35:20 ShadowJK: Pacman would also be nice Aug 03 19:35:20 Stskeeps: just search the mailing lists with "unsubscribe" Aug 03 19:35:29 * ShadowJK is impressed, but for mostly the wrong reasons Aug 03 19:35:56 I'm so tired of having to reboot to make this stupid thing stop sucking. Aug 03 19:36:43 GAN900, N900? Try that "optimize" script, it does roughly the same thing but perhaps faster than reboot Aug 03 19:36:48 DocScrutinizer, about developpers ... you can also target maemo ... and make it running on Meego ... Aug 03 19:37:02 re Aug 03 19:37:21 * ShadowJK uses his own script to swapoff,swapon after swap breaks down into random writes (which is uberslow) Aug 03 19:37:31 Khertan: err, isn't that what I said? Aug 03 19:37:51 derf: re coloured M$ barcodes, I was talking to someone who said M$ employees have them on their business cards ;) Aug 03 19:37:55 ShadowJK, i got strange behavior with the optimize scripts ... like device not charging while being connected during the night Aug 03 19:38:07 DocScrutinizer, ah sorry i didn't understand very well so :) Aug 03 19:38:38 and yet then you'd think it should be much easier to develop on maemo and then [2010-08-03 21:26:44] port to meego rather than other way round Aug 03 19:39:57 DocScrutinizer, personnaly i developp directly on my n900 :) Aug 03 19:40:01 lardman, RGB or CMY? Aug 03 19:41:59 see, we've arranged with maemo, and we even got a got way towards making it really open. So why should we suffer all the same pain of somebody forcing down our throat their idea about how a good OS should look - granted this time with the option "we give you all the source, and you even *may* (are allowed to) send patches, but only after meego 1.7 please" Aug 03 19:42:04 lardman: yeah, I wrote an app to generate (and add) a colour barcode (and 3d barcode) from username/employee ID for a couple of banks and telcos in the UK. Aug 03 19:42:18 lardman: sorry, "and add those to the print layout of the smart card" Aug 03 19:42:28 s/a got/a good Aug 03 19:44:14 is there a way to disable the vibration when the alarm goes off? Aug 03 19:45:01 disable vibra in profiles setting Aug 03 19:46:06 Doesn't actually do anything? Aug 03 19:46:40 i want to keep it for the telephone ringing, only disabled for the alarm Aug 03 19:46:48 err, which scenario exactly now? Aug 03 19:47:03 crashanddie: but noone can decode them! :) Aug 03 19:47:05 ooh, alarm as in ... alarm Aug 03 19:47:05 the alarm clock Aug 03 19:47:12 mompl Aug 03 19:47:28 If the vibrate didn't work with alarm when vibrate is off in profile, I'd never make it to work.. Aug 03 19:47:45 lardman, i gave half a thought to making a sierpinski barcode Aug 03 19:48:26 lardman: well, it depends what you want to do with them. This was just for shits and giggles more than anything (and also because it allowed to keep the company's logo in the barcode), but the 3d barcode had real information which could easily be read. Aug 03 19:48:43 lardman: re microsoft: are you talking about HCCB? Aug 03 19:49:33 PatternIncomingCall=1;3;0;0;30;970;0;1000;180 PatternIncomingMessage=3;3;2;2;30;470;0;500;154 PatternPowerKeyPress=5;5;1;1;0;16;0;16;128 PatternTouchscreen=10;3;0;1;23;0;15;50;255 PatternChatAndEmail=4;3;1;1;30;360;0;100;154 Aug 03 19:49:38 blarrrgh Aug 03 19:49:43 no patternAlarm Aug 03 19:50:32 crashanddie: yeah, sounds about right Aug 03 19:50:33 ps: the color barcode was just a regular 1d barcode, but each bar had a different colour. 46 different colours within the company's logo palette was used to code the username/userid Aug 03 19:50:35 seems somebody mamaged to mess it up, like usual Aug 03 19:51:03 :) Aug 03 19:51:04 ah, so the colour didn't matter then? Aug 03 19:51:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Capacity_Color_Barcode was what I was talking about, as you said Aug 03 19:51:44 lardman: not from a barcode reader perspective Aug 03 19:52:14 lardman: the idea: http://www.barcode-generator.biz/web-images/200911/qk-barcode-generator-colour.jpg Aug 03 19:52:29 ok, so it just looks pretty rather than encoding info, that will work fine with mBarcode atm then Aug 03 19:52:44 yup Aug 03 19:53:14 the 3d barcode (or is it 2d? I forget, the square ones) did contain accurate info, but wasn't colour coded because the readers weren't good enough Aug 03 19:53:21 crashanddie, lardman those barcodes remind me of subway cheese \@/ Aug 03 19:53:32 3D = 2D + colour Aug 03 19:53:40 Hmm, this is starting to get dense enough to start embedding short audio clips in the barcode. Aug 03 19:53:57 derf: midi maybe Aug 03 19:54:01 sounds interesting Aug 03 19:54:05 derf: not AAC just yet :D Aug 03 19:54:40 1" barcode could do 0.875s at 32 kbps. Aug 03 19:55:30 Which rate is plenty good enough for transparent speech. Aug 03 19:56:04 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6570871.stm is a use for the 3D barcodes Aug 03 19:56:09 can we generate qr codes on device yet? Aug 03 19:56:17 derf - flipbooks Aug 03 19:56:23 lcuk: Sure you can. Aug 03 19:56:25 Use a web browser. Aug 03 19:56:29 for animated barcode goodness Aug 03 19:56:39 derf, i mean in mbarcode with a text entry area Aug 03 19:56:45 to play with 2 n900s ;) Aug 03 19:57:09 lardman: this is just going to confuse so many people Aug 03 19:57:47 crashanddie: coloured barcodes? Aug 03 19:58:09 no-one needs to know, they should just work Aug 03 19:58:12 lardman: tech support: "Did you allow the computer to read the DVD?" customer: "well, yes, but it said I had to allow it to read the tag first" tech support: "OK, take the disc out, then present it to the webcam, so it can read it" customer: "You mean the computer can read the disc without having it in the tray?" Aug 03 19:58:26 ah I see Aug 03 19:58:31 yes indeed :) Aug 03 19:59:09 I mean, I remember having to write "left click", "right click", and "space" on my mum's keyboard Aug 03 19:59:19 (well, left click and right click on her mouse) Aug 03 20:00:03 sounds like it's only for those in the know to access online info Aug 03 20:00:04 every cable had 3 tags, one big one "Printer", "Modem", "Scanner", all that, and then each end had the direction "computer" or "printer" Aug 03 20:00:11 though why we need a new format I don't know Aug 03 20:00:19 crashanddie: my right or your right? Aug 03 20:00:33 mortini: either, we'll end up in the same direction if we both turn. Aug 03 20:00:52 mortini: go to your window, and in about 10 seconds, look west Aug 03 20:01:13 derf: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/hccb/about.aspx single page of a novel in first image Aug 03 20:01:25 \o/ WE'RE FACING EACH OTHER!!! Aug 03 20:01:44 * lardman heads to watch CSI Aug 03 20:01:45 no you're not Aug 03 20:02:13 lardman|afk: well, as much as I love the tech, it's just not practical Aug 03 20:02:28 jej Aug 03 20:02:31 heh, rather. Aug 03 20:03:01 lardman|afk: you can't manually decode it (or not very quickly), and print is going out of fashion, fast. Aug 03 20:03:20 lardman|afk: basically, you have print telling people "Here, go online" Aug 03 20:03:39 which is a completely ludicrous thing. The people who bother to buy print these days probably don't want to be sent online. Aug 03 20:04:37 As an inter-communication device, it's pretty lame too. There are busstops around the world that are bluetooth enabled, and which allow you to freely download a song, or a clip. Embed the ad in there, win Aug 03 20:05:31 Heck, I'm even to setup a company that will sell dummy hotstops, whose only aim will be to serve ads to HTTP clients who connect Aug 03 20:05:39 (tempted to setup) Aug 03 20:06:02 hotspots... damn, those pills really make my typing go down the drain Aug 03 20:15:47 GAN900 & GeneralAntilles: on which account are you? Aug 03 20:19:46 moin Aug 03 20:22:16 crashanddie: you're evil then :< Aug 03 20:23:30 am I? Aug 03 20:24:45 fake hotspots to serve ads... Aug 03 20:26:28 get one old nokia with bluetooth, connect somehow to power supply in busstop, enable bluetooth with provocative name, win Aug 03 20:36:54 heh I am sure I am not the only one who gets family tech calls whenever a new mobile needs buying! Aug 03 20:40:19 true Aug 03 20:41:07 E0x, whats worse is finding out a model of phone is coming out i hadn't heard of :P Aug 03 20:41:54 hi, what is the closest thing to google maps on maemo for n900? mappero? Aug 03 20:42:19 the closest thing to google maps on n900 is google maps Aug 03 20:42:31 lcuk: OMG Aug 03 20:42:32 really? Aug 03 20:42:33 just open your browser Aug 03 20:42:51 perhaps the question needs refining a little ;) Aug 03 20:43:12 evilbulgarian, what are your mapping needs Aug 03 20:43:19 crashanddie, hey Aug 03 20:43:33 ZogG: yeah? Aug 03 20:43:51 well i was looking for more of an replacement for ovimaps Aug 03 20:44:01 crashanddie, are you still op on gentoo chan? Aug 03 20:44:12 Anyone know what the replacement option for '-kb' (disable keyboard extension) is in the newer Xephyr on ubuntu 10.04? Aug 03 20:44:21 ZogG: haven't been for 7 years or something Aug 03 20:44:30 =( Aug 03 20:44:39 some idiot child banned me Aug 03 20:45:17 ZogG: who? Aug 03 20:45:28 i don't remember the name Aug 03 20:45:36 wait Aug 03 20:46:47 a3li banned you Aug 03 20:46:56 lcuk: (BT for busstops) darn, can't find that link anymore. Was years ago they got those 5*3.5m posters here, witch an IrDA device built in that made your Mobile send a SMS to a special number, once you followed the instructions to "enable IR and point phone >here<" Aug 03 20:47:03 #gentoo: ban *!*zoggrules@* [by a3li!~alex@gentoo/developer/a3li, 2699107 secs ago] Aug 03 20:47:27 DocScrutinizer, nice Aug 03 20:47:51 crashanddie yeap Aug 03 20:48:06 crashanddie, account? Aug 03 20:48:09 crashanddie reread log, i was not the most polite - but he pissed me off =) Aug 03 20:48:52 crashanddie: well entire timetable in one barcode seems pretty cool (re busstops) Aug 03 20:48:57 lcuk: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Quelle-Werbeplakate-mit-Infrarot-Schnittstelle-156800.html Aug 03 20:48:59 crashanddie, assumed i used autoaway msg and jumped on me on chan when i used it while i was in army and turned off when came back really tierd Aug 03 20:49:06 anyway, am off to bed, jet lag is attacking Aug 03 20:49:10 cu chaps tomorrow Aug 03 20:50:28 ZogG: did you plead your case in #gentoo-ops? Aug 03 20:50:28 crashanddie meh, nvm , just was wondering if there is something new about 2.6.35 kernel bug Aug 03 20:51:32 crashanddie, nope, nvm Aug 03 20:51:47 ZogG: they're a bunch of dicks, really Aug 03 20:52:14 yeah Aug 03 20:52:28 i agree i was not that polite - but i was right =) Aug 03 20:52:52 doesn't really matter, they can shove the rules in whichever way they want, so that it flows the channel in their favour Aug 03 20:53:22 most people in #gentoo are too scared to do anything, and just look at their ban list, they have what, double our users? And probably 50 times our ban list Aug 03 20:54:14 scrap that, they have a 100 times our ban list Aug 03 21:01:43 and what's funny Aug 03 21:02:06 60% entries in banlist here are yours crashanddie Aug 03 21:03:38 so? Aug 03 21:04:04 ENTERANICK is a guy who joins in here to look for DCC porn Aug 03 21:04:32 Alcohol is a troll, and ljsdofuynsdfufuh is too long a nick. Aug 03 21:05:01 oh wow, 3 bans of the 5 are mine, big deal :D Aug 03 21:05:28 lol Aug 03 21:05:43 compare that to the 500+ bans in #gentoo for crying out loud Aug 03 21:05:56 yepyep Aug 03 21:06:42 i got lke a channel of 40 with 3 perminate bans they had there chances Aug 03 21:07:18 actually, 286 bans, my bad Aug 03 21:07:32 thats down Aug 03 21:07:42 still, that's a quarter of their user base banned Aug 03 21:08:08 jacekowski: got another point to make? Aug 03 21:09:47 you ever have the Fn or other key not function for a bit then work again? across all apps Aug 03 21:11:04 i have t-shirt "crashanddie is my favorite op on #maemo" Aug 03 21:13:24 mhm .. new power kernel .. cross fingers Aug 03 21:13:46 this one compatible with fcam? .. i hope so Aug 03 21:13:55 i'm too pussy to overclock phone Aug 03 21:14:18 i didn't get about meego and harttman Aug 03 21:14:21 its more about other features, ext4, iptables and so on Aug 03 21:14:25 /kickban * MUHAHA Aug 03 21:14:33 is there an aesy to dim the screen without going into settings > touchscreen ? or is there an app to add that to the top of the screen settings bit? Aug 03 21:15:13 DocScrutinizer yes slap me Aug 03 21:15:16 hey DocScrutinizer Aug 03 21:15:21 MohammadAG51, i missed you Aug 03 21:15:29 MiskaX hey теска Aug 03 21:16:54 DangerMaus: I occasionally get whole hw kbd dead, and need to close and reopen slide to resurrect it Aug 03 21:18:10 DangerMaus: what's meaning of "dim screen"? change brighness, or lock? Aug 03 21:19:21 change brightness Aug 03 21:19:55 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/simple-brightness-applet/ Aug 03 21:20:07 docscrutinizer yep colosing did bring the key back Aug 03 21:25:36 yay simple brightness app is just what i was looking for thnx Doc Aug 03 21:29:08 grr fcam doesnt like the new kernel yet Aug 03 21:29:21 i want autotunes on maemo =) Aug 03 21:34:45 The confusion stems from the naming. Nokia chose, at the time of the MeeGo Aug 03 21:34:46 launch, to rebrand Harmattan from 'Maemo' to being 'MeeGo', 'MeeGo-Harmattan', Aug 03 21:34:46 'a MeeGo instance', 'MeeGo compatible', etc - instead of just calling it Aug 03 21:34:46 what it is: Maemo. Aug 03 21:34:51 lol - maemo is alive Aug 03 21:35:00 or they want to sell as max as they can Aug 03 21:37:34 I just came here to do a quick WTF Aug 03 21:37:51 "I decided to do a Nokia here and make an application that would really be suited to customisation by its users but I released it as a closed source app, instead. My thoughts are also to be found in the application, too. Goodbye :)" ~qwerty12 Aug 03 21:38:15 sory for OT, but... Wooohooo, backup app of Yast is up to 3.86 of 30GB, 140380 files and constantly counting up at 10/s. Isn't it a really great app? :-D Aug 03 21:38:41 OH FUCK Aug 03 21:39:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59700 Aug 03 21:39:08 cat the binary Aug 03 21:39:37 360:19.36 CPU time :-D Aug 03 21:40:33 DocScrutinizer, you don't seem to be noticing qwerty12 left Aug 03 21:41:05 strings? Aug 03 21:41:06 MohammadAG: err what? Aug 03 21:41:58 ShadowJK, cat the binary, it has plain text in it Aug 03 21:42:11 A message to the Maemo Community Aug 03 21:42:22 paxtebin it? Aug 03 21:44:21 ShadowJK, too many swear words Aug 03 21:44:49 * ShadowJK ponders how to extract deb Aug 03 21:45:04 dpkg Aug 03 21:45:10 fuck to many bloody shit swearwords even for the friggin bastard pastebin?? Aug 03 21:45:38 friggen pastebin Aug 03 21:45:50 frak you pastebin Aug 03 21:46:30 MohammadAG: do a screenshot and up to flicker or whatever :-D Aug 03 21:46:31 dpkg --help is unhelpful Aug 03 21:47:02 but.. but... deb is SO MUCH BETTER than RPM tools :-o Aug 03 21:47:29 ;-P Aug 03 21:47:55 ShadowJK, just untar it... Aug 03 21:47:59 or use file-roller Aug 03 21:48:10 ShadowJK, and it's dpkg-deb Aug 03 21:48:11 what for? Aug 03 21:48:13 different binary Aug 03 21:48:39 tar and gzip complained about invalid magic :-) Aug 03 21:48:49 if it's something important then for sure he hadn't hidden it in such a weird way Aug 03 21:49:20 screwit Aug 03 21:49:21 pastebin, expires in 1 hour Aug 03 21:49:31 link Aug 03 21:49:50 posers Aug 03 21:49:52 well, sec Aug 03 21:50:09 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KsvkFue9 Aug 03 21:50:39 http://pastebin.com/U3fgiZhr Aug 03 21:51:06 too late Aug 03 21:51:19 hmm, he left a message about some people here Aug 03 21:52:53 uh Aug 03 21:53:27 frenchman on irc? Aug 03 21:53:42 jacekowski: eh? Aug 03 21:54:23 lol Aug 03 21:54:54 who's that frenchman mentioned? Aug 03 21:55:03 lol Aug 03 21:55:07 he is my hero =) Aug 03 21:55:07 ShadowJK: dpkg-deb -x and -e Aug 03 21:55:12 V la vindetta Aug 03 21:55:18 ... to that Frenchman on IRC ... - that part Aug 03 21:55:35 lbt: yeah found it in dpkg-deb --help, thanks :) Aug 03 21:55:41 but to be honest, he's right Aug 03 21:56:58 lol Aug 03 21:57:29 he said it to rude but mostly right Aug 03 21:58:06 fair points Aug 03 21:58:19 meh... life's not perfect. If you ain't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Aug 03 21:58:36 but thing is that we don't want to see the code Aug 03 21:58:45 qwerty12 has some points. Aug 03 21:58:50 we know that bme is an abomination Aug 03 21:58:56 that ideally would just die Aug 03 21:59:16 I didnt realize bme was in his rant :0 Aug 03 21:59:20 does anyone know off-hand if the N900's audio jack is capable of recording in stereo? Aug 03 21:59:29 ShadowJK: closed source software was his rant Aug 03 22:00:03 and bme is part of it Aug 03 22:00:41 i think it was made on purpose with no other way to charge only with miniUSB, so it would be harder ot port things Aug 03 22:00:47 i mean OSs Aug 03 22:00:52 eh Aug 03 22:00:54 but nitroid rocks Aug 03 22:01:10 * ShadowJK charges N900 without bme every week Aug 03 22:01:44 besides, without BME bq24150 will never go out of charging mode Aug 03 22:01:55 N900 actually has a sensible charging hw, compared to N8x0 that I wouldn't dare try drive myself :) Aug 03 22:02:36 so once it enters emergency charge mode it will stay in it Aug 03 22:02:59 Well.. kinda Aug 03 22:03:20 bootloader will not touch charger unless there is no BSI Aug 03 22:03:46 anyway google maybe is more close but their product is more user-end usable Aug 03 22:04:07 n900 is end user usable Aug 03 22:04:12 mostly Aug 03 22:04:18 while nokia is giving you one side opportunity to develop but other side it stay closed and you depend on it in common things Aug 03 22:04:27 who's that frenchman mentioned? <-- I think it's quite clear Aug 03 22:04:28 the defaults that bq24150 come up with aren't that nice, only brings battery to 30-40% or so.. Aug 03 22:04:42 MohammadAG: not really Aug 03 22:04:46 MohammadAG: not for me Aug 03 22:04:57 MohammadAG: are you french? Aug 03 22:05:04 jacekowski, i don't see any useable when there are a lot of small bugs that you don't know if anyoe working on them and if update will ever come out at all Aug 03 22:05:33 hmmm Aug 03 22:05:37 i could be evil now Aug 03 22:05:49 and decide to fuck it and upload chromium to nokia repository Aug 03 22:05:56 jacekowski, no, but someone who said "eh" is in france Aug 03 22:06:00 and then again and again ang again Aug 03 22:06:21 00:00 < ShadowJK> eh Aug 03 22:06:25 17:47 < DocScrutinizer> meh Aug 03 22:06:29 03:27 < nox-> eh Aug 03 22:06:34 crashanddie, sorry for the mention Aug 03 22:06:39 rofl Aug 03 22:06:43 eh? Aug 03 22:06:56 crashanddie, hahaha =) Aug 03 22:07:01 priceless! Aug 03 22:07:03 And to that Frenchman on IRC who feels the need to add a comment about me everytime my name is mentioned: Fuck off. Aug 03 22:07:25 * ZogG brings popcorn Aug 03 22:07:41 crashanddie, qwerty12 left a note about you Aug 03 22:07:48 where? Aug 03 22:07:49 well, not exactly a note Aug 03 22:07:54 PM Aug 03 22:07:55 not by name Aug 03 22:07:57 he plastered it on the IRC wall? Aug 03 22:08:11 qwerty came online? Aug 03 22:08:11 hidden note Aug 03 22:08:19 crashanddie, yes and he tagged you there =) Aug 03 22:08:20 inside one of his apps Aug 03 22:08:51 I'm lost Aug 03 22:09:03 I'd love to have qwerty back Aug 03 22:09:03 crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59700 Aug 03 22:09:17 crashanddie http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KsvkFue9 Aug 03 22:09:21 crashanddie: and inside that app was note - http://pastebin.com/U3fgiZhr Aug 03 22:10:39 wow, someone's got family issues Aug 03 22:10:47 ieatlint: nope Aug 03 22:11:01 jacekowski: heh? of course bq24150 will terminate charging Aug 03 22:11:14 damn... thanks though Aug 03 22:11:15 DocScrutinizer: after 32 minutes Aug 03 22:12:22 [2010-08-04 00:01:44] besides, without BME bq24150 will never go out of charging mode Aug 03 22:12:23 is the power-kernel deinstallation safe? Aug 03 22:12:40 never was little bit stretched Aug 03 22:12:45 crashanddie: no offense, but reading what he accuses this unnamed person of, and what you just speculated about his family, it's just priceless irony :-) Aug 03 22:13:23 DocScrutinizer, i think he means you can plug and unplug charger and it'll "work" Aug 03 22:13:26 * ZogG is gonna run away before fight Aug 03 22:13:34 don't like when it happens Aug 03 22:13:36 ZogG, there won't be a fight Aug 03 22:13:37 ieatlint: indeed, damn! Missed opportunity, flames go to EE of Nokia Aug 03 22:13:39 gn8 Aug 03 22:13:41 ShadowJK: hey, I don't remember being nasty about him, just honest. I really had no hard feelings about the guy, I'm sorry he fels that way about me, I never intended to hurt him. Aug 03 22:13:45 it's a final goodbye, a sad one tbh Aug 03 22:14:08 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i imagine the chip supports it Aug 03 22:14:35 but perhaps it was too unrealistic to wire it, as there is already stereo output, mono input, and composite video output Aug 03 22:14:55 Well qwerty12, if you're reading this, goodbye Aug 03 22:15:06 you'll be missed, that I'm sure of Aug 03 22:15:07 and single-button headset button state detection Aug 03 22:15:15 (though unused afaik) Aug 03 22:15:22 ShadowJK: now, I really don't have anything to prove, but those who know me know I have a girlfriend and am very happy. I mean, I know I'm not the best looking guy around, but in the one evening at the nokia london event, I still managed to grab 4 phone numbers in less than 3 hours, so I must be doing something right. Aug 03 22:15:41 qwerty12: so long and thanks for all the fish :-) Aug 03 22:15:43 and Jaffa and lcuk can vouch for that. Aug 03 22:15:58 ieatlint: We (no *I*, or OpenMoko EE), did same for GTA03, and it's just ~2ct Aug 03 22:16:03 maybe less Aug 03 22:16:35 heh, poor gta03 Aug 03 22:16:41 yep Aug 03 22:17:07 i still have my gta02s... can barely even find a use for them :( Aug 03 22:17:12 never really liked it with that crappy c-ts and all, but at least a few hundered would have been nice Aug 03 22:17:18 does the gta02 support recording stereo? :) Aug 03 22:17:31 nope Aug 03 22:17:43 too late for GTA02 mayor redesigns Aug 03 22:17:43 crashanddie: Using openBTS, and faking a tower? Aug 03 22:17:56 SpeedEvil: eh? Aug 03 22:18:14 'grabbing phone numbers' - nvm Aug 03 22:18:15 SpeedEvil: you stalker you Aug 03 22:18:19 SpeedEvil: lol Aug 03 22:18:20 tried it for A7, but the dude with heat on for fab was saying "we don't need that" Aug 03 22:18:46 generally i would agree... you mostly don't need stereo recording on a phone Aug 03 22:19:05 for 2ct I take what I can get Aug 03 22:19:09 * SpeedEvil sighs. Aug 03 22:19:11 but with stereo, i could create a dongle that could simultaneously record magstripes from two different tracks on the card Aug 03 22:19:25 hehehehehehe Aug 03 22:20:01 actually a nice idea about "how to make money with OM" Aug 03 22:22:06 with a crazy bit of effort, i could turn an openmoko gta02 into a device that reads magnetic stripes, rfid and pin entry for access control Aug 03 22:22:18 ieatlint: if you don't mind some hw hackery, you can put GTA02-A6/7 to work wrt stereo recording Aug 03 22:22:39 it's on some testpoints/0R iirc Aug 03 22:23:12 so has stereo line-in, just missing the receptacle :-D Aug 03 22:23:16 i'd have to look at what revisions i have Aug 03 22:23:22 a5 i think Aug 03 22:23:54 umm, had to look how it's been done on A5, odds are those are NC on BGA there Aug 03 22:25:06 (mag stripes) thought you were after cloning credit cards Aug 03 22:25:34 haha, nah Aug 03 22:26:29 it's 90% a project i got onto, as it looks awesome to read cards on a mobile phone, and hopefully will result in me getting a job :P Aug 03 22:27:36 ieatlint: with stereo you could get 3 stripes Aug 03 22:27:38 was in vegas over the weekend, and could slide someone's driver licence and have my N900 display who issued it, their driver licence number, date of birth and expiration date of the licence Aug 03 22:27:48 jacekowski: oh? Aug 03 22:28:36 ieatlint: punch cards too? Aug 03 22:29:18 hah, right, just write an app that interfaces with the camera Aug 03 22:31:45 sent an email to q, hope he replies Aug 03 22:33:34 crashanddie, he'll see/read it, I'm sure of that Aug 03 22:33:45 ieatlint: if you got too many of those jobs, then toss one over to me Aug 03 22:34:36 hah... got none at the moment :( Aug 03 22:34:44 I'm actually quite hurt and not feeling too well Aug 03 22:34:58 :( Aug 03 22:35:02 I feel sad he left Aug 03 22:35:16 not because of what he actually said, I mean, who doesn't get shit thrown at him every couple Aug 03 22:35:32 to me it felt like he left some 4 or 5 months ago Aug 03 22:35:54 ~seen qwerty12 Aug 03 22:35:56 qwerty12 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 243d 4h 11m 56s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. Aug 03 22:35:57 I mean, why the fuck would I send the guy emails asking how he's doing, and when he'll be back on IRC if I actually didn't like him Aug 03 22:36:02 he left IRC, he didn't leave maemo Aug 03 22:36:28 fuck me Aug 03 22:36:44 he quit irc *forever*? :P Aug 03 22:36:48 yes Aug 03 22:36:54 he quit maemo forever too, apparently Aug 03 22:37:05 don't blame that ^ on yourself though Aug 03 22:37:19 IRC, yeah, you can blame yourself :) Aug 03 22:37:34 * DocScrutinizer still wondering who's a fat frenchman here XD Aug 03 22:38:01 DocScrutinizer, haven't had enough coffee eh? Aug 03 22:42:21 DocScrutinizer: it's supposed to be me Aug 03 22:42:34 though I'm hardly "fat". 82kg for 1m86 Aug 03 22:42:44 I was though, when we met Aug 03 22:42:51 probably over 100kg, back then Aug 03 22:43:25 MohammadAG: but no, IRC, I can't blame myself Aug 03 22:43:44 crashanddie: are you French? Aug 03 22:43:45 MohammadAG: he should blame himself. He was becoming an asshole against each and everyone here, I told him, he left. He made that decision, not me. Aug 03 22:43:52 crashanddie: are you fat? Aug 03 22:44:01 though I'm hardly "fat". 82kg for 1m86 Aug 03 22:44:16 he could've tuned it down a little, but he decided to leave of his own accord, and also because of uni Aug 03 22:44:26 crashanddie, he never blamed you for leaving IRC, I did Aug 03 22:44:38 DocScrutinizer: not French, but lived in France for quite some years, back in it, now. Aug 03 22:44:44 crashanddie: you really got some self esteem - at least about your nasty properties :-P Aug 03 22:45:04 DocScrutinizer: meaning? Aug 03 22:45:54 well, he's talking about a nasty fat French that is offending him. 2 of the 4 criteria *might* match Aug 03 22:45:59 that's what I meant Aug 03 22:46:19 as you're nototious to be nasty and offending Aug 03 22:46:21 that's what he used to call me Aug 03 22:46:38 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Aug 03 22:46:42 though it was jokingly before, I suspect it's not that jokingly anymore Aug 03 22:46:43 I kinda agree on the testers part btw Aug 03 22:46:55 onother one who missed to swallow his pills in the morning Aug 03 22:47:01 frozen-bubble was uninstallable cause of missing package in the SSU repos Aug 03 22:47:09 I didn't update it as it's quite pointless to do so Aug 03 22:47:18 no one changed votes after X-Fade fixed the problems Aug 03 22:47:19 DocScrutinizer: he's pissed because once or twice on IRC I said that he wasn't the most socially skilled person IRL Aug 03 22:47:20 MohammadAG, it's a secret plot to make maemo.org QA and software releases slower than Nokia QA and releases ;p Aug 03 22:47:35 so what? Aug 03 22:47:39 DocScrutinizer: that even though he has a big mouth when it's his fingers spelling, his mouth IRL isn't able to end a sentence without stuttering Aug 03 22:47:46 he took offence, I guess Aug 03 22:47:51 one more indication he forgot his Litium Aug 03 22:48:13 and/or haloperidol Aug 03 22:48:40 And as I said in my email to him, the only reason I thought it was relevant was because the guy has massive charisma and presence on IRC or wherever online Aug 03 22:48:59 if someone calls me a social crook I shrug and say "so damn right, brother" Aug 03 22:49:17 well, it's a shame he thinks that of me, anyway Aug 03 22:49:27 I still have massive amounts of respect for him Aug 03 22:49:32 crashanddie, I thought it was pretty funny that he accused you of saying strange nasty things about him on irc, and the first thing after reading that you said something about his family :-) Aug 03 22:50:08 isn't the family issue a pretty common saying when someone goes on such a rampage? Aug 03 22:50:46 or daddy issues Aug 03 22:51:26 whatever, I don't care anymore. He could've come and talked to me, decided to insult me in public, whatever Aug 03 22:52:06 actually it's a pitty it won't help qwerty in his future life, whatever was the original motivation and planned intention for this crazy thing Aug 03 22:52:06 lcuk: just asking about liqbase - what does it use as reference for that inverted AR? Aug 03 22:52:40 iirc ceiling lamp? Aug 03 22:52:40 lcuk: - i'm just looking at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tcs5r/Dragons_Den_Series_8_Episode_4/ - at the part where they have that graffiti wall Aug 03 22:53:05 oh the dotzero thing? Aug 03 22:53:20 no Aug 03 22:53:27 they have like a virtualgraffiti Aug 03 22:53:31 with spray can Aug 03 22:53:40 and i'm thinking about using n900 as that spray can Aug 03 22:53:45 with a laptop or something Aug 03 22:54:27 inverted ar you mean where he has his n900 on thr desk and moving it gives him different views? Aug 03 22:54:39 yes Aug 03 22:54:55 i think he said ceiling lamp... Aug 03 22:55:05 but my memory is pretty fuzzy.. Aug 03 22:55:57 jacekowski: the spray can was demoed at onedotzero in london as well Aug 03 22:56:28 jacekowski: not with an N900 though, it was in front of the green room, made sounds and painted the wall based on how fast/shaped you would spray a laser on a wall Aug 03 22:57:11 take a look at that video Aug 03 22:57:14 somewhere close to the end Aug 03 22:57:23 can't, not in the UK Aug 03 22:58:27 http://www.deborahmeaden.com/investment/lumacoustics---yrwall/14/ Aug 03 22:58:55 http://www.yrwall.com/ Aug 03 22:59:11 same thing with n900 replacing can Aug 03 23:00:22 It's probably a lot easier to use a wiimote for the location sensing, rather than the n900 Aug 03 23:00:41 n900 can be used for accelerometer and sending the infrared light, but tracking is going to be hard Aug 03 23:01:00 well, lcuk has tracking working Aug 03 23:01:12 I know Aug 03 23:01:23 and if you use front camera on display you can always add reference points as required Aug 03 23:01:26 but we'll have to see what precision we get in front of a specifically lit room Aug 03 23:01:42 MohammadAG, there's like no way to "connect" to people/testers from the packages interface.. I've never voted anything down because I know I'd never ever realize something changed Aug 03 23:02:33 ShadowJK, when someone votes down/up they get CC'd, if someone comments they should get an email Aug 03 23:03:29 you know the actual vote buttons don't actually work for me unless I force https.. Aug 03 23:03:40 odd Aug 03 23:07:38 jacekowski: 3 white blobs, distance 2:2:1 Aug 03 23:08:05 somewhere in the youtube vid you see the reflection on N900 screen Aug 03 23:08:33 also on every move you see a green graphic showing the calculation done Aug 03 23:09:17 lcuk said he used LCD of another N900 to display them Aug 03 23:09:32 (the white dots) Aug 03 23:09:57 could be ceiling lamps as well Aug 03 23:10:01 or LEDs Aug 03 23:10:04 or whatever Aug 03 23:12:53 topic vote: any tester willing to spend 5 minutes on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ ? Aug 03 23:14:22 (177k files, 5.04GB - of 30 :-S) Aug 03 23:15:13 damn that backup has to last forever, with all the effort it took to create it Aug 03 23:15:40 ETA: weekend :-P Aug 03 23:15:58 backup of? Aug 03 23:16:18 Laptop - with yast backup utility XP Aug 03 23:16:57 * ShadowJK rsyncs N900 to PC and incremental tar backup of PC Aug 03 23:16:59 probably designed for 16 core machines Aug 03 23:17:48 ShadowJK: I thought "let's play John Dumbass user today" Aug 03 23:18:18 didn't think tha game would take days to finish Aug 03 23:18:55 but who cares, it's just eating ne of my 2 cores (which also voids my prev assumption about 16 core) Aug 03 23:20:20 and til now just building up administration info (aka file list), not a single byte copied/saved yet Aug 03 23:20:41 well, md5sum of 30GB takes a while Aug 03 23:20:47 thing that's next in my queue is porting http://qubes-os.org/ display driver to window Aug 03 23:20:53 windows Aug 03 23:20:58 so i can use it as my normal os Aug 03 23:21:00 scanning my ~ on pc for changed files takes the majority of backup time for me Aug 03 23:21:08 ShadowJK: inotify Aug 03 23:21:19 tar doesn't do it Aug 03 23:21:34 (afaik) Aug 03 23:21:44 i had somewhere simple piece of software that just listed changes Aug 03 23:21:52 ~curse scratchbox Aug 03 23:21:53 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, scratchbox ! Aug 03 23:22:05 takes some 5 or 6 GB of that 30 Aug 03 23:22:09 i mean, just simple daemon that was monitoring changes in my /home Aug 03 23:22:17 and pushing them to mysql Aug 03 23:22:31 with some other info Aug 03 23:22:43 Well, starting mysql takes longer than most my backups, so no thanks. Aug 03 23:22:56 well, i had other PC running all the time Aug 03 23:23:00 with mysql and stuff Aug 03 23:23:12 and I'd rather have my RAM :P Aug 03 23:23:13 and that pc was handling storing of my data Aug 03 23:24:04 if it wasn't for my uptime, I'd do a simple diskimage Aug 03 23:24:19 lvm Aug 03 23:24:32 that was my next attempt for doing nice backups Aug 03 23:24:33 nah, overkill Aug 03 23:24:37 snapshots with lvm Aug 03 23:24:46 I imagine changing to lvm would take longer than a simple diskimage? ;p Aug 03 23:24:58 you bet Aug 03 23:25:12 well, if you start with lvm then you don't have to change to it Aug 03 23:25:22 and i had lvm just for ease of resizing partitions Aug 03 23:25:22 * ShadowJK changed away from lvm at one point Aug 03 23:25:23 and I'd need an image as a fallback prior to even starting such enterprise Aug 03 23:25:26 ShadowJK: why? Aug 03 23:25:42 Alan Cox said it sucks, so I just said "baa" and followed Aug 03 23:26:08 geez Aug 03 23:26:24 sheep Aug 03 23:26:30 (to be exact, I think it was ncq and/or write barriers that didn't pass through LVM layer to disk) Aug 03 23:27:32 ouch Aug 03 23:27:33 ncq is done in lower layer Aug 03 23:27:47 os doesn't know about it Aug 03 23:28:00 well, I was happy without added complexity of LVM since last millenium, and I never thought about changing that Aug 03 23:28:09 write barriers as far as i know were implemented for ages Aug 03 23:28:35 DocScrutinizer, for sure :) Aug 03 23:30:12 just that backup SUUUUUCKS - 183k files, 5.31 Aug 03 23:31:49 that's pretty exactly 1GB/h Aug 03 23:32:28 for building data structures - let's see how long gzipping and storing will take then Aug 03 23:33:18 my reckoning: 70h total Aug 03 23:33:52 wtf, it's only done 'ls' so far? Aug 03 23:34:07 or ls+md5sum? Aug 03 23:34:13 md5sums each file, for later ncremental backup Aug 03 23:34:46 Oh there's that cute utility that does incremental backups with rsync's algo :) Aug 03 23:35:00 * ShadowJK forgets the name Aug 03 23:35:22 i recently had attempt at doing backups onto ZFS in fuse with dedupe enabled Aug 03 23:35:31 * DocScrutinizer fool <- didn't consider to do his math before tagging "use md5sum instead of simple size/date compare" Aug 03 23:35:32 and other fuse based FS Aug 03 23:35:57 and then just full copy of all data to folders Aug 03 23:36:09 but dedupe has failed Aug 03 23:41:31 nvm, 70h isn't bad - for storing partition tables as well Aug 03 23:42:55 Aug 03 23:43:33 jacekowski, different kind of graffiti wall afaik, that is v nice but aimed at making one painting Aug 03 23:44:02 lo lcuk Aug 03 23:44:14 crashanddie_, the spray can was different again, that was laser painting Aug 03 23:44:51 * DocScrutinizer grabs his 150mW green laser, and 'paints' some flies on the wall Aug 03 23:45:03 good I got no wallpapers Aug 03 23:45:04 DocScrutinizer, with the right paint, sure! Aug 03 23:45:11 hiya Aug 03 23:45:56 lol - ruined the black cover paper of that Nokia N900 booklet Aug 03 23:46:06 ooer Aug 03 23:46:13 DocScrutinizer, the white lights Aug 03 23:46:17 * lcuk shakes head Aug 03 23:46:24 they fail in normal use Aug 03 23:46:53 i changed the algorithm to prefilter to a color before checking spots Aug 03 23:47:00 and now use colored bright spots Aug 03 23:47:02 heh Aug 03 23:47:34 filter to some specific small checkerboard pattern maybe? Aug 03 23:47:50 nahh just a range of green in this case Aug 03 23:47:51 exit Aug 03 23:47:56 enter Aug 03 23:48:00 sorry Aug 03 23:48:01 lol Aug 03 23:48:05 sigint Aug 03 23:48:14 return -1; Aug 03 23:48:24 about to go to bed, closing terminals lol Aug 03 23:48:32 sigkill ;-p Aug 03 23:48:34 this can only happen on... linux code Aug 03 23:48:48 :-P Aug 03 23:48:56 pun intended ? Aug 03 23:48:58 haha Aug 03 23:49:36 nite LinuxCode Aug 03 23:49:41 :-) Aug 03 23:49:43 nn guys Aug 03 23:49:48 nn lc Aug 03 23:52:21 (uhuh ...scratchbox/compilers/...foo..bar 191.100 files - - - me dares to start email again Aug 03 23:52:23 ) Aug 03 23:53:54 * DocScrutinizer wonders how this extremely thoroughgoing backup tool is supposed to deal with open or even changing files anyway Aug 03 23:55:50 :-O maybe it does a verify run D-: - another 140h to md5sum original and backup Aug 03 23:56:51 *WAAAAAAH* Aug 03 23:57:12 good moaning Aug 03 23:58:12 Hmmm Aug 03 23:58:17 anyone here works for Vodafone? Aug 03 23:59:16 loud moaning Aug 04 00:07:25 Someeeone here worked there? Aug 04 00:07:30 SpeedEvil: Long time no see. Aug 04 00:07:33 Or sea even :) Aug 04 00:07:43 matthew-: why? Aug 04 00:08:24 crashanddie: I had a number to someone working there in call centre in warrington/runcorn area Aug 04 00:08:29 and i dont remember. Aug 04 00:08:33 who it was Aug 04 00:18:02 crashanddie: Was it YOU? Aug 04 00:25:50 matthew-, doubtful - crashanddie is a security expert, why would he work in a call centre let alone a VODAFONE call centre!? :P Aug 04 00:26:52 Dunno! Aug 04 00:27:07 damn, how to find him :D Aug 04 00:30:28 matthew-, if you know what date you talked to them (and it was in the channel not pm), read the log for that date Aug 04 00:30:58 matthew-: if you have a name, just social engineer your way in Aug 04 00:31:37 matthew-: call the vodafone UK main office, and say you're his brother in law, and there is an urgency Aug 04 00:31:37 crashanddie: I dont have his name Aug 04 00:31:41 I dont remember Aug 04 00:31:46 if I did i would do it Aug 04 00:31:50 TermanaN900: I dont keep logs. Aug 04 00:31:52 then you're toast Aug 04 00:31:56 matthew-: but the channeld oes Aug 04 00:31:58 if you remember any unique (combination of) words, then use irclog search function Aug 04 00:32:03 oh, where are they ? Aug 04 00:32:09 ~topic Aug 04 00:32:13 oops. Aug 04 00:32:16 <-- daft. Aug 04 00:32:18 its late Aug 04 00:32:21 anyway Aug 04 00:32:32 interview in 5.5 hours Aug 04 00:32:33 wish me luck Aug 04 00:32:47 crashanddie: Who with? Aug 04 00:32:56 a company Aug 04 00:33:08 No shit. Aug 04 00:33:20 crashanddie: What industry is the company in Aug 04 00:33:24 crashanddie, good luck Aug 04 00:33:41 matthew-: telco software Aug 04 00:33:50 Good luck then. Aug 04 00:33:55 ta Aug 04 00:35:04 crashanddie: Hint for the future, interviews should be between 10 and 11:30am Aug 04 00:35:30 matthew-: the guy is flying out at 10, they want to hire me fast Aug 04 00:35:59 Oh, in that case it's ok. But you're "at ur best" between those hours Aug 04 00:36:02 or at least ur brain is. Aug 04 00:36:20 yeah, yeah, I know Aug 04 00:36:46 Hence I dont interview people between those hours :) Aug 04 00:37:13 Some people are. Aug 04 00:37:33 12AM-2AM is about my best. Aug 04 00:38:04 my best was in the office, between 5PM and 2AM Aug 04 00:38:14 yh, interns arrive soon at our offices Aug 04 00:38:17 quiet, cool, all tools available Aug 04 00:39:35 hi Aug 04 00:40:36 To sabe me some time in case one of you knows the answer by heart, Is there a way i can make it so the disk space for installing programs grows as needed automaticly? Aug 04 00:40:39 save* Aug 04 00:42:07 if you don't know the answer, just let me know and i'll see if i can find it with google Aug 04 00:47:43 Robot101, ditto, its been a long day Aug 04 00:51:48 no one? Aug 04 00:53:50 TiagoTiago, there is no dynamic space scaling mechanism Aug 04 00:54:12 there are discussions and prototypes in place to use various schemes for space concerns Aug 04 00:55:05 if you have run into specific space problem then do best to find out what it is, and file bug with devs (if the package is taking lots of rootfs space) Aug 04 00:55:22 would it be possible to trick the system into using the 32gb for any data that doesn't fit the rootfs, kiinda like merging the partitions but without actually doing it Aug 04 00:55:34 ? Aug 04 00:56:07 i'm just worried about installing too much stuff and not being able to update the firmware and stuff Aug 04 00:56:13 TiagoTiago, it already does in a way, there is 2gb allocated to do pretty much that Aug 04 00:56:38 i thought the 2gb was used to store the programs i install Aug 04 00:56:45 well updating the firmware and stuff is only partially related to space anyway Aug 04 00:57:03 why the heck won't Camera run if you're in a call? -.- Aug 04 00:57:03 yes, but without it you would be able to install only 256mb.. Aug 04 00:57:14 i read somewhere someone kinda bricked their N900 'cause there was no more free space for OTA firmware update Aug 04 00:57:25 TiagoTiago: you can repartition the 29 GB if you want Aug 04 00:57:28 the OTA will not let you start if you dont have space Aug 04 00:57:38 ok Aug 04 00:57:45 TiagoTiago: do note it's not really 32 GB Aug 04 00:57:46 luke-jr, thats not his concern technically Aug 04 00:57:59 because with 29gb used for opt you can still run out of rootfs Aug 04 00:58:04 shrug Aug 04 00:58:11 someone put rootfs on eMMC Aug 04 00:58:19 yeah Aug 04 00:58:31 that was one of the first things I said up there Aug 04 00:58:38 there are discussions and prototypes in place to use various schemes for space concerns Aug 04 00:58:40 no way to have a dynamic partition used instead of the fixed 2GB one? (kinda like how truecrypt allow for dynamic volumes, the partition is actually a file inside another partition) Aug 04 00:59:00 TiagoTiago, if you are comfortable with linux, anything is possible Aug 04 00:59:19 i gotta check how-tos for most things :( Aug 04 00:59:24 but, no there is no user friendly one click regression free snappy fingers way yet Aug 04 00:59:30 TiagoTiago: no reason to have more than one partition really Aug 04 00:59:42 so, best advice - use device as you do, keep it clean Aug 04 00:59:52 i tend to install lots of stuff Aug 04 01:00:03 when ssu comes round whichever method you use - run BACKUP Aug 04 01:00:10 then install lots of stuff Aug 04 01:00:40 come back here when you have verifiable out of space things that cannot be cured by simple housekeeping Aug 04 01:01:34 just so you have an idea, i got 140+ extensions enabled in Firefox in my desktop machine (about 160+ total) Aug 04 01:02:10 in other words, you're terrible at housecleaning Aug 04 01:02:24 more like i'm a compulsive hoarder Aug 04 01:02:29 just as abd Aug 04 01:02:32 TiagoTiago, I make cups of coffee quite often Aug 04 01:02:38 lol Aug 04 01:02:42 but I dont pour more water into a specific cup than the cup can hold Aug 04 01:03:16 TiagoTiago, also, I prefer to create data than applications ;) Aug 04 01:03:42 * lcuk is going to bed Aug 04 01:04:18 c ya lcuk o/ Aug 04 01:04:33 hey b-man \o didnt see you, hi n bye Aug 04 01:04:40 lol Aug 04 01:04:45 cya, and thanx for making me feel more confortable with installing stuff :) Aug 04 01:05:39 TiagoTiago_: just install Gentoo and ignore Maemo Aug 04 01:05:41 :D Aug 04 01:05:58 xD Aug 04 01:06:02 lol Aug 04 01:06:38 gah, the font is tiny in x-chat! Aug 04 01:10:14 there Aug 04 01:15:58 hm, is there a channel for the Maemo veersion of x-chat? Aug 04 01:23:53 there directly from my N900 :) Aug 04 01:27:47 oh well, cya, and thanx for all Aug 04 01:41:16 ok so finally happend to me to after a week..rebooted the phone and all i get is the black screen with the whote dots...whats next :)? Aug 04 01:41:32 reflash Aug 04 01:41:47 darn..thats the only option? Aug 04 01:42:04 is there a way to save the setting for the programs? Aug 04 01:42:18 restore from the backup you did Aug 04 01:42:41 heheeh the oni did when i first got the n900 last week that is..lol Aug 04 01:43:02 you could boot a rescue kernel over USB Aug 04 01:43:06 there is no safe boot option to letme backup stuf Aug 04 01:43:12 * nobody's actually made one yet afaik Aug 04 01:43:16 i see Aug 04 01:43:39 weird worked pretty good up to today with all possible repos :) Aug 04 01:43:50 dont remember what i installed today.. Aug 04 01:43:52 I've never had that problem Aug 04 01:44:31 yeah i did install a shitload of stuff this week Aug 04 01:45:14 zeltak: did you install say an experimental kernel? Aug 04 01:45:37 nah Aug 04 01:45:48 just some programs Aug 04 01:46:40 zeltak: so? they resolv dependencies, the wifi hotspot program for example requires a new kernel Aug 04 01:46:56 lets see Desktop Command Execution Widget Scripts, screen (with the tools repo) what else Aug 04 01:47:21 7zip macuco Aug 04 01:47:41 portbase thats about it Aug 04 01:47:44 p7zip? which repo was that in? Aug 04 01:48:16 mmm dunno..package is called p7zip-full Aug 04 01:49:28 ok i guess its off to flash the phone... Aug 04 01:49:43 i guess i need to backup more often... Aug 04 01:50:34 for the record i dont need to reflash the user space (vanilla) right? just the root? Aug 04 01:53:22 asj, n900 can run hostapd? can it do monitor mode too? Aug 04 01:53:43 nox-: don't know Aug 04 01:56:27 check aircrack Aug 04 01:57:00 zeltak: yep, flashing COMBINED image to rootfs should suffice Aug 04 01:58:09 correctly packaged apps should remember their specific config after you've reinstalled them Aug 04 01:59:14 asj: there's been hotspot mentioned above - take care: it installs new kernel afaik Aug 04 01:59:36 so deinstalling hotspot may take special care Aug 04 02:03:45 ok now im a bit stressed..flashed the root and still cant boot :( Aug 04 02:05:28 still getting the white dots moving and its stuck there....help?!? Aug 04 02:05:59 You'll have to flash the eMMC then Aug 04 02:06:00 sorry. Aug 04 02:06:24 ok as long as i get my phone back :) Aug 04 02:06:31 data comes and goes ;-) Aug 04 02:07:25 ok so on withthe vanilla flash Aug 04 02:09:02 ok that was quick...i dont need to reflash root again after vanilla right? Aug 04 02:10:19 crap all mighty...i get a huge missing image warning ... Aug 04 02:10:40 at least its not white dots...help?!? ;-) Aug 04 02:11:01 this is sooo wierd..... Aug 04 02:11:17 lots of missing image widgets all around... Aug 04 02:12:50 nox-, it can with power kernel Aug 04 02:13:24 you need to flash fiasco first before the vanilla eMMc Aug 04 02:13:51 flash fiasco? Aug 04 02:14:16 i did flash the PR first then tried to reboot and then flashed vanilla and tried to reboot Aug 04 02:14:18 fiasco is all the pr1.1 pr1.2 images Aug 04 02:14:34 i think i already have 1.2 Aug 04 02:14:48 no, if you're going to flash both fiasco and vanilla, you need to flash them both without rebooting in between, its noted in the wiki Aug 04 02:15:00 ah Aug 04 02:15:04 nox-, doesn't matter power kernel will work with 1.2 Aug 04 02:15:13 ahh ok gothca thx psycho_oreos ..which one first though? Aug 04 02:15:26 zeltak, fiasco (pr1.2 or whatever) Aug 04 02:15:39 and then vanilla right/ Aug 04 02:16:23 zeltak, yes.. here is my command line which worked with mine: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f --enable-rd-mode && flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R --enable-rd-mode Aug 04 02:16:30 without disconnecting the usb cable? Aug 04 02:16:35 kk Aug 04 02:16:47 without until you reboot and get back into main screen imo Aug 04 02:17:10 k trying it now Aug 04 02:17:11 for mine, a successful flash leading to main screen would be entering PIN because I set mine up with PIN Aug 04 02:17:54 nox-, btw you don't need to reflash to get power kernel, that was for zeltak whos having issues even booting with nokia's kernel Aug 04 02:18:09 aah :) Aug 04 02:18:31 power kernel afaik is in the normal repos as well as extras-testing Aug 04 02:18:42 psycho_oreos: the n900 booted before i had a chance to install vanilla :( still stuck on the whote dots screen :( Aug 04 02:19:06 wait..a breaking dev...its back to life... Aug 04 02:19:08 zeltak, unless you specified -R (which is reboot) it'll reboot.. Aug 04 02:19:26 thank god :) (and psycho_oreos ) ;-) Aug 04 02:19:38 nox-, here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power Aug 04 02:19:49 zeltak, no worries Aug 04 02:19:56 :) Aug 04 02:20:26 i wonder how the hell did it get this way..it was working pretty darn well for a week with all extra repos Aug 04 02:21:10 serial support? theres a serial port on the n900? Aug 04 02:21:24 * nox- reading the wiki... Aug 04 02:21:27 some extra repos are marked for testing or pure experimental (extras-testing is obviously experimental testing and extras-devel is bleeding edge stuff) Aug 04 02:21:50 yeah im aware..just wanted to know why (or which app :)) Aug 04 02:22:00 nox-, not sure, someone said you can but I could be wrong Aug 04 02:22:13 nox-: everything has a serial port somewhere Aug 04 02:22:16 zeltak, bazillion apps, any could be the cause Aug 04 02:22:37 luke-jr, ah ok buried somewhere on the board then :) Aug 04 02:22:52 gotcha..i guess the sys log wouldnt help since i reflashed lol Aug 04 02:23:17 zeltak, the first time I bricked my n900 was when I was installing power kernel on the go.. I don't know what happened and upon reboot the phone was bricked (no loading screen apart from nokia) Aug 04 02:23:32 nope, not at all I believe Aug 04 02:23:48 what is the power kerenel btw i keep hearing about? Aug 04 02:24:16 power kernel is a custom kernel built for users who want extra features compared to nokia's kernel Aug 04 02:24:22 what nonsense are you spreading here? Aug 04 02:24:34 the link which I posted to nox- has information about it Aug 04 02:24:41 gothca cool thx Aug 04 02:24:48 1: flashing eMMC usually does NOT help on bbot ptoblems Aug 04 02:25:26 2: flashing Vanilla better done *before* Combined, andway DO NOT BOOT in between Aug 04 02:25:48 3: sure N900 has serial, it's on the testpoints under the battery Aug 04 02:25:55 thx DocScrutinizer ill keep that in mind for the next bricking :) Aug 04 02:26:19 so i just `apt-get install kernel-power-settings'? Aug 04 02:26:53 nox-, no, that's only settings Aug 04 02:27:28 nox-, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/kernel-power-flasher/ <--- its in that link before it mentioned about installing the kernel-power-settings Aug 04 02:28:20 has anyone actually documented what that kernel has over the default? Aug 04 02:28:37 nox-: why would you install power kernel anyway? Aug 04 02:28:54 DocScrutinizer, he was asking about rfmon support Aug 04 02:29:03 ok Aug 04 02:29:43 not sure about rfmon, but as posted above: check airodump Aug 04 02:29:48 actually usb ip also sounds interesting Aug 04 02:29:49 zeltak, When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! <--- http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Aug 04 02:30:07 and cifs possibly Aug 04 02:30:35 rfmon works, I have power kernel setup a few times on my n900 and it works with both aircrack-ng and kismet (mind you no injection patches are publicly available for injection on n900 yet) Aug 04 02:30:35 zeltak: forget that, it's incorrect Aug 04 02:30:51 DocScrutinizer, someone should be updating the wiki :) Aug 04 02:31:06 at least in my case it worked, flashing fiasco before emmc Aug 04 02:31:42 psycho_oreos: I did, and somebody reverted it. Rationale: Nokia is telling wrong advice somewhere so we don't want to confuse users and will also tell wrong advice in wiki Aug 04 02:31:53 psycho_oreos: see history on that wiki page Aug 04 02:32:24 DocScrutinizer, hmm interesting Aug 04 02:33:07 psycho_oreos: it's completely irrelevant which sequence you flash, as long as you DO NOT BOOT. However _if_ you accidentally boot, then flashing rootfs _after_ eMMC is much less harmful than other way round Aug 04 02:33:56 DocScrutinizer, in other words its safer to flash fiasco/rootfs incase you accidentally do reboot in between? :) Aug 04 02:34:41 rootfs first, boot, then eMMC will give you non working device, while eMMC first, boot, then rootfs will at most leave some garbage data in /opt Aug 04 02:34:53 yes Aug 04 02:36:34 rationale for flashing rootfs first: "user will definitely notice he did wrong". Rationale for eMMC first: "user will be happy with booting device" Aug 04 02:37:23 s/booting/working/ Aug 04 02:37:23 DocScrutinizer meant: rationale for flashing rootfs first: "user will definitely notice he did wrong". Rationale for eMMC first: "user will be happy with working device" Aug 04 02:37:25 heheh now im really confused :) Aug 04 02:37:53 what's confusing in this? Aug 04 02:38:27 so everyone agrees on your method DocScrutinizer :) rootfs first? Aug 04 02:38:55 one is nokia's way of flashing the other is the community way.. I personally think nokia's way is safer should the user accidentally boot the device during flashing of fiasco Aug 04 02:39:03 s/during/after/ Aug 04 02:39:04 psycho_oreos meant: one is nokia's way of flashing the other is the community way.. I personally think nokia's way is safer should the user accidentally boot the device after flashing of fiasco Aug 04 02:39:31 yes, everybody I completely discussed the issue with agreed on flashing eMMC first is the method that will always yield a working device, even when accidentally booting in between Aug 04 02:39:52 gothca cool guys Aug 04 02:41:01 * DangerMaus notes the emmc first bit and waves goodby to bricks Aug 04 02:41:25 psycho_oreos: what you *think* is largely irrelevant. Nokia method of flashing rootfs first is NOT safer, it's guaranteed to not boot after eMMC flashing if you booted after rootfs flashing Aug 04 02:41:37 nokia's method is the method of flashing fiasco/rootfs as mentioned on the wiki.. the community way is the other way round.. both work provided that you don't reboot in between the flashing of both fiasco/rootfs and eMMC but if you did community way and you reboot in between you may end with a bricked device like what you had zeltak Aug 04 02:42:00 i see Aug 04 02:42:46 psycho_oreos: so how is that Nokia method now? Aug 04 02:43:21 it's basically *my* method Aug 04 02:43:43 DocScrutinizer, I don't see how it didn't work in my case.. I flashed it according to wiki as it is (without listening to what was written in the history pages) and it worked fine provided that I didn't reboot during the two flashing stages Aug 04 02:43:56 * zeltak getting even more confused over what to do on the next bricking lol Aug 04 02:44:17 and I suggested the same advice to zeltak who flashed eMMC first then reboot which bricked his n900 and the result is now he has a working device Aug 04 02:44:40 * psycho_oreos itches head, I thought it was nokia vs community on the priority of flashing the device Aug 04 02:45:01 * DangerMaus is confused now also Aug 04 02:45:01 zeltak: flash rootfs, try to boot, if it really doesn't help then flash eMMC, do NOT boot, flash rootfs AGAIN Aug 04 02:45:11 grr does akamai some redirection based on useragent string? maemo.org loads alright from the computer but not from the phone... :/ Aug 04 02:45:38 zeltak, either way.. its always good to keep a current backup settings of your n900... if and when it bricks, you can try my method first (which is as current as stated by the wiki) if that fails you can then try DocScrutinizer's method Aug 04 02:46:01 gothca ok thx both you guys..appriciate it Aug 04 02:46:56 the method I posted to you which got it working was the exact method I did on mine and as per wiki's methods except I added rd mode because I want rd mode Aug 04 02:47:17 or you can flush the device in toilet, nokia implemented a new ultrfast bring in service, will pick it out of the dark water, reflash for you, and then send back to you via gas or water pipes Aug 04 02:47:42 -_-' Aug 04 02:48:15 ill save the reflushing methods to extreme situautions ;-) Aug 04 02:48:32 psycho_oreos: you actually start making my day, dude Aug 04 02:49:46 DocScrutinizer, I'm just going by whichever method I got things working right.. and the user was having issues with his device so I just suggested the method which worked in my case :) Aug 04 02:49:47 * DocScrutinizer await's psycho_oreos' lesson about overclocking and how great that is, according to what *he* thinks Aug 04 02:51:16 DocScrutinizer, I'm personally against overclocking :) there are those who likes to overclock but not I. The last thing I want is a device that eats more battery life than what I expect for at least a day of normal usage and better yet a fried up CPU which renders n900 useless Aug 04 02:51:24 who forgot to close the gates on tmo?? GO CLOSE IT DUDE! Aug 04 02:52:23 time for a real refreshment Aug 04 02:53:34 lol -_- Aug 04 02:53:37 lol! Aug 04 02:58:26 power kernel also enables overclocking and there's a fancy tool known as QCPUFreq that allows the user to adjust their maximum CPU clock speed all the way up to 1GHz or 1.1GHz but again not for me **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 04 02:59:57 2010