**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 02:59:58 2010 Aug 06 03:00:07 seriously? grabbing the oldest imap message *first*? Aug 06 03:00:10 That's. Useful. Aug 06 03:00:57 so for claws-mail in N900, what are the best settings? imap, pop3, mbox, mail-dir? anybody? Aug 06 03:01:05 then again, gotta love libtinymail (note 'tiny'), but it has gtk widgets built into it. Aug 06 03:01:09 * mortini stops. Aug 06 03:03:53 back Aug 06 03:05:00 N900 decides to check email in the middle of math class every single day... :P - Luckily, I have silencer installed... Aug 06 03:05:09 @ mortini Aug 06 03:05:29 why not enable silence mode? Aug 06 03:05:40 silent* Aug 06 03:05:44 TiagoTiago, It does, automatically Aug 06 03:05:51 via silencer Aug 06 03:06:00 oh, i see Aug 06 03:06:23 note to self: replace silencer with dbus cron job... Aug 06 03:06:30 :P Aug 06 03:07:24 hmm, how do I customize the layout/placement of xchat-n900's ui? Aug 06 03:08:27 9 Aug 06 03:10:29 xnt14[N900]: you might want to check out alarmed app Aug 06 03:13:58 how do i get the cell broadcast msgs to show? Aug 06 03:14:35 TiagoTiago: I think they're not supported (yet?) Aug 06 03:14:58 a really huge flaw Aug 06 03:15:06 really? i thought that was part of the standards :/ Aug 06 03:15:26 I wonder if Maemo can be instructed to retain the GPRS connection even when out of range Aug 06 03:15:34 there's some standards N900 isn't really exactly adhering Aug 06 03:15:36 so when you come back in range, any connections still alive resume Aug 06 03:15:45 that sucks :/ Aug 06 03:15:53 what are cell broadcast msgs? Aug 06 03:15:57 did Nokia give any reasons for that? Aug 06 03:16:17 dunno, check bugtracker Aug 06 03:16:17 it's a msg the cell towers send to all mobiles connected to them i think Aug 06 03:16:48 TiagoTiago: def is correct Aug 06 03:16:49 over here usually the msgs say the operator name and the area code Aug 06 03:17:45 TiagoTiago: check bug #10987 for example. Not exactly CB, but similar issue Aug 06 03:17:46 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel * rendering issue Aug 06 03:18:00 oops, wrong number Aug 06 03:18:24 well, that is better: http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/ Aug 06 03:18:40 are the CB msgs avaiable via xterminal at least? Aug 06 03:18:57 you can try with pnatd Aug 06 03:19:06 but I think it won't work Aug 06 03:19:27 as pnatd is really brainless Aug 06 03:19:54 I fear it's not implemented in cellmo modem firmware Aug 06 03:20:20 but tbh I haven't checked bugtracker yet Aug 06 03:20:48 if anywhere there is some info about it, then it's in bugtracker Aug 06 03:26:25 hmm Aug 06 03:26:47 moo Termana Aug 06 03:27:21 yello Aug 06 03:28:14 DocScrutinizer, k Aug 06 03:28:16 as if those bots know when the got no more chance Aug 06 03:28:31 I hate how Maemo gets slower and slower as it's running Aug 06 03:28:39 nice and snappy after a fresh boot Aug 06 03:29:00 seems it's bug-8347 Aug 06 03:29:02 luke-jr: swap fragmentation Aug 06 03:29:15 luke-jr, lol, 17 days uptime here, running as smooth as ever... but I had to kill trackerd a few times Aug 06 03:29:20 bug #8347 Aug 06 03:29:20 DocScrutinizer: something like that Aug 06 03:29:21 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available Aug 06 03:29:31 yep Aug 06 03:29:33 xnt14[N900]: killing trackerd left me without photos for weeks ☹ Aug 06 03:30:31 don't know what Nokia was smoking when they did 256 MB RAM + 768 MB swap Aug 06 03:30:39 wow, i've just installed the flashlight thingy, those leds are awfully bright!! X.X Aug 06 03:30:44 if the device can't run on 256 MB RAM, they should have just put in 512 or 1G Aug 06 03:30:51 TiagoTiago, they go brighter Aug 06 03:31:02 TiagoTiago: it's not so bright when you're in pitch dark ☹ Aug 06 03:31:03 THen they go out. Aug 06 03:31:49 i've just looked straight into them and i'm still seeing the after image, and the lighting in my room isn't dark at all Aug 06 03:33:16 luke-jr, heh, well, it was just wasting time indexing all of my RFCs on my sd Aug 06 03:33:43 yup, those are nice. But I'd wish flashlight wasn't that clumsy to activate :-S Aug 06 03:34:06 should switch ON as soon as cam lens slide is opened Aug 06 03:34:10 i've turned off the lights and tried waving it around, and it does look like they work as a decent flashlight Aug 06 03:34:23 DocScrutinizer: what if you just want to take photos? Aug 06 03:34:36 then switch them off Aug 06 03:34:47 yeah, having to close the camera pp and then going for the desktop menu is kinda clunky Aug 06 03:34:51 I take photos more often than I use flashlight ☺ Aug 06 03:34:55 I'd not mind to do that by clicking 5 times Aug 06 03:34:59 TiagoTiago: don't have to close it… :p Aug 06 03:35:31 I'd use the accelerometers Aug 06 03:35:33 oooooh, that is nice Aug 06 03:35:43 luke-jr: pretty simple solution: make state of flashlight sticky Aug 06 03:35:45 if it's portrait, flashlight by default Aug 06 03:35:50 if landscape, camera Aug 06 03:35:59 thuogh having to go to the desktop is still a few too many steps Aug 06 03:36:00 hmm, or that Aug 06 03:36:14 TiagoTiago: no need to go to desktop… Aug 06 03:36:30 I was wrong Aug 06 03:36:37 flashlight won't activate w/ Camera app running Aug 06 03:36:43 "unable to initialize flashlight, camera is in use by other application Aug 06 03:36:46 :( Aug 06 03:37:05 also Aug 06 03:37:14 WTF is with Camera refusing to run when you're in a phone call? Aug 06 03:37:15 why can't more than one program use the camera at the same time? Aug 06 03:37:19 just because it can't play a click sound? Aug 06 03:37:43 most convenient thing though: switch from flashlight to cam mode on clicking the trigger button Aug 06 03:37:55 "audio in use by another application" Aug 06 03:38:43 why somtimes programs can use audio at the same time but others they cant? Aug 06 03:38:47 luke-jr, click sound is the best part of the experience. Means you know your about to get smacked in the face from someone you were taking pictures off without their acknowledgement Aug 06 03:39:18 the click sound is like a second before it takes the pic… Aug 06 03:39:27 profile : silent Aug 06 03:39:29 Also, its illegal in some countries to not play a click sound of some sort, I believe Aug 06 03:39:32 btw, is there a way to change the "taking a photography" sound to somthing other than analog camera inspired sounds? Aug 06 03:39:34 Japan(?) Aug 06 03:39:37 DocScrutinizer: does the Camera app work then? Aug 06 03:39:53 in my N73 i set it to that hitting somthign metal sound Aug 06 03:40:00 no idea, but the click sound is allegedly muted Aug 06 03:40:38 Tried it Aug 06 03:40:39 those laws about takign a picture sound are dumb, many actual cameras are silent Aug 06 03:40:40 It does Aug 06 03:40:40 TiagoTiago: sure, just swap the audio file Aug 06 03:40:49 no GUI? that's lame Aug 06 03:41:07 TiagoTiago: if you have such an actual camera, you are required by law to say "click" first Aug 06 03:41:17 lol Aug 06 03:41:30 lol Aug 06 03:41:31 "CLICK!" Aug 06 03:42:16 * DocScrutinizer just took a screenshot of Termana and TiagoTiago LOLing Aug 06 03:42:20 what about video mode? Aug 06 03:42:36 clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick Aug 06 03:42:39 lol Aug 06 03:42:48 *snap* Aug 06 03:42:53 lol Aug 06 03:43:02 DocScrutinizer: you missed about 90% of the frames! Aug 06 03:43:03 well, its still more of a click... Aug 06 03:43:35 SLR: cluck,click! Aug 06 03:43:48 my slr does that Aug 06 03:43:49 :P Aug 06 03:44:20 video mode does dink-dink in my N900 , also unnaceptable Aug 06 03:44:50 TiagoTiago, hmm, never heard anything in vid mode... Aug 06 03:45:02 but that red light is a dead giveaway... Aug 06 03:45:23 lol Aug 06 03:45:46 once I was in class and wanted to record the teacher discretely, and had an almosts stock N900... Aug 06 03:45:49 is there a way to control the LEDs while the camera is running? Aug 06 03:45:54 it was a problem :P Aug 06 03:46:07 TiagoTiago, I believe there is... Aug 06 03:46:09 ducktape over the led Xp Aug 06 03:46:17 lol Aug 06 03:46:29 in the middle of science class? xD Aug 06 03:46:29 play-sound /usr/share/sounds/play-sound camera_snd_title_?.wav Aug 06 03:47:11 why is there the need for a night mode if there is already an automatic mode? why the automatic doesn't automaticly go into night mode? Aug 06 03:47:46 play-sound /usr/share/sounds/camera_snd_title_?.wav Aug 06 03:47:51 TiagoTiago, perhaps the autodetection wasnt good enough for nokia... Aug 06 03:47:53 actually Aug 06 03:48:43 night mode for example doesn't try to autofocus afaik Aug 06 03:48:47 is the image dark? go into night mode; how hard is that? Aug 06 03:48:56 nightmode is completely different Aug 06 03:49:17 you dont want that always at night Aug 06 03:49:32 the viewfinder is laggy, due to long exposure time Aug 06 03:49:43 is ther ea fully manual camera (photo and video) with geotagging, that isn't in -dev or -test? Aug 06 03:49:44 nightmode is a incremental exposure Aug 06 03:50:07 I wonder if its possible to write a daemon which uses the accelerometers to lock sthe screen when its in my pocket (and I forget to lock it) Aug 06 03:50:15 not just longer shutter speed (as if there was a shutter anyways :P) Aug 06 03:50:18 use the proximity sensor? Aug 06 03:50:30 TiagoTiago, oh, right :P Aug 06 03:50:35 xnt14[N900]: there's proximity-foo app for that Aug 06 03:50:54 DocScrutinizer, /me apt-cache searches Aug 06 03:50:58 how exactly does it work? is it some sort of sonar or just a photocell that senses when it gets darker or somthing? Aug 06 03:51:03 use all sensors together ... Aug 06 03:51:13 xnt14[N900]: - the foo maybe :-D Aug 06 03:51:15 hmm Aug 06 03:51:35 TiagoTiago: some kind of optical sonar Aug 06 03:51:41 or use the front facing cam, so when its dark, lock phone? Aug 06 03:51:43 radar then? Aug 06 03:51:49 during the day hours Aug 06 03:51:56 proximity closed, its dark and accelerometer indicates the device is portrait or reverser portrait Aug 06 03:52:02 optic, not RF Aug 06 03:52:06 TiagoTiago, IR bases i think... Aug 06 03:52:10 it's IR actually Aug 06 03:52:12 *based Aug 06 03:52:27 what is it called then? IRADAR? Aug 06 03:52:54 again i really wonder why no one came up with a front cam yet which can be used for all this .. light sensor, proximity sensor and cam Aug 06 03:53:10 cehteh, hmm, thats a good idea, but won't polling the sensors be bad for batt life? Aug 06 03:53:10 little hardware and bit more software hacking Aug 06 03:53:24 cehteh: OMNIA 9000 Aug 06 03:53:51 hmm Aug 06 03:53:51 but cam modules are actually greedy with power Aug 06 03:54:09 xnt14[N900]: well needs a specially designed cam for that, little more autonomous with a tiny dsp only monitoring a 16x16 pixel array and shutting the rest down or something likle that Aug 06 03:54:18 * xnt14[N900] has a completely random question: which phone did you have before the N900? Aug 06 03:54:37 openmoko FreeRunner Aug 06 03:54:38 bb perl 8100 here Aug 06 03:54:41 some image sensors allow for changing which pixels are used, so i imagine using jsut the centermost pixel to save battery could work Aug 06 03:54:41 :-P Aug 06 03:54:43 and look at optical mouses .. basically these are 16x16 pixel cams with an incredible high framerate Aug 06 03:54:59 and these run for months on simple aaa cells Aug 06 03:55:22 nope they don't Aug 06 03:55:30 mine does :) Aug 06 03:55:41 they go to suspend and get activated by accelerometer Aug 06 03:55:48 well the cam thing isnt always on there is good powersaving Aug 06 03:56:03 but you can do the same with a speciall rigged vga front cam Aug 06 03:56:11 DocScrutinizer, lol, I had an iPhone 3G before the bb, I got sick of the absolutely crap battery life and switched to my cousin's old curve Aug 06 03:56:43 you poll enviromental brightness once every second, that means activating the sensor 1ms or so Aug 06 03:56:49 really should be doable Aug 06 03:57:16 that's how OMNIA does it Aug 06 03:57:32 as proximiy sensor you need little dsp work and maybe ir illumination Aug 06 03:57:33 I don't like it Aug 06 03:57:49 why not? Aug 06 03:57:55 not good? Aug 06 03:58:02 doesn't work reliably Aug 06 03:58:07 not good Aug 06 03:58:33 well that only means this technology could be improved Aug 06 03:58:40 mhm Aug 06 03:59:07 but a dedicated ALS is muuuuch cheaper than development of such a special critter Aug 06 03:59:25 depends on how much you need Aug 06 03:59:32 yep Aug 06 03:59:49 if you could deploy millions in every phone nokia produces then its prolly cheap enough Aug 06 04:00:02 is there a VNC server for the N900? Aug 06 04:00:16 or even if TI does that and any brand phone company uses it Aug 06 04:00:23 TiagoTiago: yes Aug 06 04:00:27 x11vnc Aug 06 04:00:39 maybe, maybe not. Production cost may exceed that of ALS + cheap VGA cam + 20ct IR proximity sensor Aug 06 04:01:03 is it on the main extra? Aug 06 04:01:19 * DocScrutinizer waves Aug 06 04:01:29 well space savings and more design flexibility, less space required on the front for optical devices Aug 06 04:02:23 i've once read about this idea for usign pulsign LEDs for touch/proximity sensing, perhaps a screen with RGB+IR pixels could work like that Aug 06 04:03:58 there are developments to make every screen pixel a ccd too Aug 06 04:04:18 you can (ugly, low res) scan documents with such Aug 06 04:04:23 and use it as touchscreen Aug 06 04:04:38 maybe in some years such technology is ready Aug 06 04:04:45 yeah, would be awesome Aug 06 04:04:59 if we dont prefer brain implants instead :P Aug 06 04:05:42 perhaps since each pixel cna work as proximity sensor, you might even be able to have short range 3D sensing, you would be able to simply wave your finger over instead of on the screen, no more finger prints! :D Aug 06 04:06:22 nah Aug 06 04:06:26 then touchscreens just gain mouseover Aug 06 04:06:28 :P Aug 06 04:06:36 :P Aug 06 04:06:42 what I really want are RGBA touchscreens Aug 06 04:07:04 which are possible, to an extent, but not designed AFAIK Aug 06 04:07:26 I think a RGB-UV screen would look great, more realistic purples Aug 06 04:07:36 … Aug 06 04:07:42 I think A is more important than UV Aug 06 04:07:44 :p Aug 06 04:07:54 and more supportable by software probably Aug 06 04:07:54 alpha? Aug 06 04:07:56 yes Aug 06 04:08:13 if A is 100%, the pixel is transparent Aug 06 04:08:16 if A is 0%, opaque Aug 06 04:08:22 that would be kidna like a transreflective screen without the reflective part? Aug 06 04:08:24 for embedding in glasses Aug 06 04:08:54 perhaps a grayscale LCD behind a transparent OLED screen Aug 06 04:09:10 … Aug 06 04:09:12 ultracool autoadjusting sunglasses come for free Aug 06 04:09:16 greyscale is white to black Aug 06 04:09:19 not transparent to black Aug 06 04:09:21 hey .. pin a poststamp at the inner side of your glasses .. put them up and try to read Aug 06 04:09:38 cehteh: I don't understand focus. ☺ Aug 06 04:09:40 well, LCD whitout the background part is black and transparent Aug 06 04:09:47 i have a lot negative dioptries .. but still 1cm focus isnt easy :) Aug 06 04:10:04 cehteh: how can you spoof distance to a single eye? Aug 06 04:10:19 stereokinetic illusion? Aug 06 04:10:20 you need some optics or a laser system which projects something directly on the retina Aug 06 04:10:29 ah, that type of depth Aug 06 04:10:34 hey thats a retina display :) .. but well ba careful Aug 06 04:10:53 no other method? Aug 06 04:11:02 microlenses? Aug 06 04:11:13 well that wont be transparent Aug 06 04:11:27 DLP Aug 06 04:11:33 i opt for the laser projection .. but i dont want to be a tester :) Aug 06 04:11:37 organic transparent lasers mounted on transparent micromecanic mounts Aug 06 04:11:38 plus microbeamer Aug 06 04:11:42 >_< Aug 06 04:11:47 err projector Aug 06 04:11:48 dlp needs optics too Aug 06 04:12:24 not for the alpha Aug 06 04:13:03 anyway, afk Aug 06 04:13:27 is there a program for attributing shortcuts to dragging from outside to inside the screen (perhaps only while int he desktop) ? Aug 06 04:38:44 lol - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/1881050881.html Aug 06 04:52:20 lol Aug 06 04:59:11 dude, that's near me, i could score that! Aug 06 05:04:36 moo all Aug 06 05:04:49 lol Aug 06 05:05:09 the cow has landed! :p Aug 06 05:05:41 * RST38h wonders if he should look at him-cellwriter Aug 06 05:05:57 The original author is no longer working on it (or so it seems) Aug 06 05:08:31 cellwriter? Aug 06 05:12:31 do you know of somthing like Hotspot Shield ( https://www.hotspotshield.com/ ) for the N900? Aug 06 05:13:42 TiagoTiago: Are you asking for a vpn client, or a service? Aug 06 05:13:55 I use vpnc to use my company vpn Aug 06 05:14:02 service Aug 06 05:14:42 I think you can use any service that vpnc can connect to. Aug 06 05:14:47 somthign to let me use public wifi hotspots without worrying about people snooping on the data i'm sending to the air, without me having to set up an endpoint to conect to the itnernet Aug 06 05:15:15 i mena, without me having to setup my home PC to share the internet over the VPN Aug 06 05:16:15 You don't have to Aug 06 05:16:23 which service do you sugegst? Aug 06 05:16:31 There's OpenVPN that I know of Aug 06 05:16:40 But I'm sure there are plenty others as well Aug 06 05:17:05 isn't that one jsut to conect machines instead of offering a secure way to connect tot he internet? Aug 06 05:17:38 Hmm. You're probably right. Aug 06 05:25:40 any services like what i descrived that you know of? Aug 06 05:29:10 gah, my usb port is starting to have a bitt of wiggle side to side Dx Aug 06 05:35:11 TiagoTiago: i'd suggest backuping before it falls off completely :) Aug 06 05:36:12 i poked the pulg with the stylus and it seems to be rock solid, but with the charger plug plugged it can wiggle side to side a bit, should i be worried? Aug 06 05:37:15 you should, yep Aug 06 05:37:23 Dx Aug 06 05:37:52 mine fell off ~ after one week after it started moving a bit Aug 06 05:37:52 is there a tutorial somewhere on how to file down the plug so it won't put so much stress on the socket? Aug 06 05:38:04 crap Aug 06 05:38:35 TiagoTiago: somewhere on t.m.o. ppl said they use epoxide Aug 06 05:38:58 TiagoTiago: however, if you have warranty, better take it to repair service Aug 06 05:39:03 i'm not even sure i can get Nokia care to gimme a replacement over here, i only saw news about the N900 being officially sold by Nokia in my country a week or so ago Aug 06 05:39:23 my father brought mine from the US this last weekend Aug 06 05:40:28 TiagoTiago: repairs either solder it back or just replace whole motherboard depending on damage Aug 06 05:40:37 and to make things worse the only authorized Nokia care thingy is on the other side of the town Aug 06 05:40:58 should i test if it is wiggling witht he data cable too? Aug 06 05:41:31 no you shouldn't be worried of the actual thing, as that's pretty normal that the plug is slighly loose Aug 06 05:42:35 DocScrutinizer: you should be if it wasn't initially, but is now. Aug 06 05:43:03 aha Aug 06 05:43:30 well you must know better than me, I never dealt with hardware in my life **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 05:44:27 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 08:30:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 08:30:21 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 08:32:14 2010 Aug 06 08:32:49 D-Iivil_Work: where do you get a proper connection like that in .fi :( Aug 06 08:33:06 frals, cable. Aug 06 08:33:24 frals, cable-tv company. Aug 06 08:33:48 frals, welho to be more specific. Aug 06 08:34:34 D-Iivil_Work: is it any good? do they throttle traffic or any stuff like that? Aug 06 08:34:51 frals, so far has been what I've expected :) Aug 06 08:34:54 i was looking at them but it said something about no servers at all allowed in their ToS so i dunno Aug 06 08:35:11 frals, actually its 110/5, not 110/10 like I said. Aug 06 08:35:46 frals, I've ran my server for three months and no complains so far. Allthough I've used it only for my own purposes, it's not "public". Aug 06 08:36:10 alright, might take a closer look at them again Aug 06 08:36:27 only problem is that as soon as you try to order on their site it always changes the language to finnish :/ Aug 06 08:37:06 frals, actually few years back there was "law suit" going on where they said that ISP cannot tell you not to run your server. Court said that it's "normal" use and customer is allowed to do that. Aug 06 08:37:15 frals, google translator is your friend :) Aug 06 08:37:51 hard do define a server Aug 06 08:37:59 sulx, yeah. Aug 06 08:38:16 what if you play online game that uses p2p Aug 06 08:38:33 then it serves something Aug 06 08:38:39 thus being server Aug 06 08:38:42 D-Iivil_Work: yeah, but https > translate.google.com so have to copy paste or find some firefox addon to inline translate :p Aug 06 08:39:03 D-Iivil_Work: btw, whats the termination time etc? ie how soon can i terminate it if im unhappy Aug 06 08:39:04 :P Aug 06 08:39:14 frals, dunno really :D Aug 06 08:39:20 month maybe Aug 06 08:41:13 mece: no, flash game Aug 06 08:47:19 kerio, noticed. did you try flashvertweak? Aug 06 08:56:32