**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 07 02:59:57 2010 Aug 07 04:33:23 ~botsnack Aug 07 04:33:23 DocScrutinizer51: :) Aug 07 04:36:56 hello Aug 07 04:38:23 i am try get and print a value from gconf that are a list type , not sure how get print it , if the key was int i use get_init , if was String i use get_string; get_list exist but when i print it i get bad results Aug 07 04:38:27 like: Aug 07 04:38:37 (, , , ) Aug 07 04:39:14 this what i am doing: Aug 07 04:39:15 >>> import gconf Aug 07 04:39:15 >>> client = gconf.client_get_default() Aug 07 04:39:15 >>> count = client.get('/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/active') Aug 07 04:39:15 >>> print count.get_list Aug 07 04:39:51 (python btw ) Aug 07 05:08:07 E0x: you're not doing anything wrong, that's exactly as it should look Aug 07 05:08:58 hmmmm pose nor the other emu are updated for n900 Aug 07 05:10:45 alterego: hmm Aug 07 05:10:59 alterego: check this Aug 07 05:11:02 $ gconftool-2 -a /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views Aug 07 05:11:03 current = 1 Aug 07 05:11:04 active = [1,2,3,4] Aug 07 05:11:52 E0x: it's printed a list of gconfvalue items, you need to call get_int on each element of that lisp Aug 07 05:11:58 list .. Aug 07 05:12:14 oh Aug 07 05:12:30 alterego: sorry but not sure how do that Aug 07 05:15:21 E0x: print map(gconf.Value.get_int, count.get_list) Aug 07 05:18:22 alterego: perfect , thx Aug 07 05:21:03 np Aug 07 05:22:59 X-Fade: autobuilder seems to not import packages automatically Aug 07 06:04:16 hi Aug 07 06:04:31 flashing the eMMC image is done with the same command line option? Aug 07 06:05:01 sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Aug 07 06:06:13 ehh rtfm Aug 07 06:29:20 hmm Aug 07 06:38:35 i mad ea blank script in event.d that won't let the n900 boot now, is there a partial image i can flash? Aug 07 06:41:58 My phone does not auto-rotate anymore :/ example: pictures, blubbels, mappero (or anything that rotates) -- how can I find what's blocking it? Aug 07 06:47:30 ColdFyre: You can flash it & return it to factory standard, but I don't think you can partially flash it. Aug 07 06:48:01 I don't want to flash it .. :/ Aug 07 06:49:18 When you said, "Is there a partial image I can flash," I thought you meant, "Can I partially flash my device?" Aug 07 06:49:45 chadi: Are you talking to me? I was talking to ColdFyre Aug 07 06:49:46 that was not me :P Aug 07 06:50:00 chadi: That's why my comment began with "ColdFyre:". :) Aug 07 06:50:07 I thought you mis-autocompleted my name :P Aug 07 06:50:52 OK. ColdFyre had a question. It read, "i mad ea blank member:script in event.d that won't let the n900 boot now, is there a partial image i can flash?" Aug 07 06:51:10 okay :) Aug 07 07:20:33 Hi everyone first time user of a maemo device. I send some oggs over to it and had ogg-vorbis-support installed already Aug 07 07:21:56 but videos (ogv) works. ogg not any idea why and how to get it working? Aug 07 07:32:01 xxtjaxx: read the bug #9498 through, there's a list of things to try out Aug 07 07:32:03 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9498 Media Player won't recognize ogg files as media Aug 07 07:39:55 Hi, I am trying to find instructions on how to display a dialog to user during/after package installation. I saw the guide somewhere but can't find it now. Can anyone help? Aug 07 08:04:47 My phone does not auto-rotate anymore :/ examples: pictures, blubbels, mappero (or anything that rotates) -- how can I find what's blocking it? Aug 07 08:08:41 is somebody have successfully enabled subtitles? Aug 07 08:08:55 I have installed it, but dunno how Im supposed to enable it Aug 07 08:13:29 <_llll_> chadi-afk: it forgets every now and then (or after a reboot), just do the sym+tr a few times until it works again Aug 07 08:14:22 you mean sym+t+r ? Aug 07 08:14:49 <_llll_> i mean sym+r Aug 07 08:15:21 sym or ctrl? Aug 07 08:15:35 <_llll_> oh, yeah that too Aug 07 08:15:45 <_llll_> sym+ctrl+r Aug 07 08:15:52 I know the ctrl+shift+r trick Aug 07 08:16:01 but it totates the whole UI Aug 07 08:16:09 <_llll_> oh, isnt that what you're doing? Aug 07 08:16:14 <_llll_> never mind then Aug 07 08:16:27 when in a picture in full screen, it should rotate according to the accelerometer position Aug 07 08:16:54 without any ctrl+shift+r Aug 07 08:20:43 is it a broken accelerometer? Aug 07 08:25:41 i need to redistribute my symbols Aug 07 08:26:25 also i'd like to know if there's a 'none' key that you can set, so you can disable a keymap that's enabled on a base layout Aug 07 08:26:36 so i can just make my own 'it' layout Aug 07 08:26:44 without touching the rest Aug 07 08:29:56 Hey all Aug 07 08:30:51 is "Tweak Flash plugin version" safe to install? Aug 07 08:34:04 MOUD: probably Aug 07 08:36:23 Duckboot: There are many flash sites that requires you to log in, and I don't want others to steal information. That's why I am asking. Aug 07 08:37:48 MOUD: Oh - Well - just apt-get source it, and check yourself. Aug 07 10:04:31 is it somebody aware of any application displaying the current download/upload speed? Aug 07 10:04:59 Im using netspeed applet on ubuntu box Aug 07 10:05:09 something similar would be great on the n900 Aug 07 10:12:45 yello Aug 07 10:24:24 conky can show the net up/down speed, though of course it's not as handy as an applet/widget. Aug 07 10:25:15 i was thinking of putting one together using the desktop command widget actually. Aug 07 10:25:21 hmmmm, Aug 07 10:25:44 do you remember that fcc thing that requires for mobile phone to be "instantly" located by emergency services Aug 07 10:26:13 that could explain why rapuyama has all agps code inside Aug 07 10:26:38 so it can alone locate and send that information somewhere Aug 07 10:27:11 hello world Aug 07 10:28:53 hmmm, I have installed the extra-devel repository, but I can't see footify in the package list (I've updated the list, well, it's done automatically though), does anyone have an idea ? Aug 07 10:29:01 is the same code replicated in maemo? Aug 07 10:29:19 ? Aug 07 10:29:39 kerio: "you're talking to me ?" ? :) Aug 07 10:30:08 no Aug 07 10:30:14 to jacekowski Aug 07 10:30:19 :) Aug 07 10:31:56 chadi-afk: remove battery Aug 07 10:32:39 hmmm, there's a log of the chan, cool I'll browse it Aug 07 10:32:47 kerio: parts of it Aug 07 10:32:48 jacekowski: can rapuyama actually do that, though? Aug 07 10:32:48 i mean, is that code reached? Aug 07 10:33:06 well, there are refferences to it so i suppose it can be reached Aug 07 10:33:18 do we have the source of the rapuyama code? Aug 07 10:33:22 i don't have any way of running that code on real hardware Aug 07 10:33:32 nope Aug 07 10:33:37 chadi-afk: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_accelerometer#Bugs Aug 07 10:33:52 but that would be only use for it Aug 07 10:34:05 unless it's some left over code when they stripped it down for use in n900 Aug 07 10:34:14 because normally rapuyama runs whole phone Aug 07 10:37:45 my mistake, I added extras not extra-devel Aug 07 10:38:35 I think rapuyama is a cool guy. Eh runs whole phones and doesn't afraid of anything. Aug 07 10:38:57 ~curse asus Aug 07 10:38:58 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, asus ! Aug 07 10:39:18 Apparently my mobo doesn't support wake-on-lan Aug 07 10:39:35 jacekowski: i'll give you 10 internets if you manage to actually run everything on rapuyama, for massive battery saving Aug 07 10:39:42 Either that or I'm just doing-it-wrong. Aug 07 10:40:05 kerio: rapuyama is just an arm core Aug 07 10:40:18 well Aug 07 10:40:22 rapu is an arm core Aug 07 10:40:28 why don't we use it then? Aug 07 10:40:33 yama is doing modem stuff Aug 07 10:41:01 because it can tear a hole in fabric of the universe Aug 07 10:41:13 jacekowski: make an easy to install dumbphone bootmenu entry that runs exclusively on rapu Aug 07 10:41:27 there are couple problems Aug 07 10:41:45 M-shield being the first one Aug 07 10:41:55 jacekowski: I thought your idea about GPS and GSM was commonly accepted knowledge Aug 07 10:41:56 2nd, rapuyama doesn't have access to lcd Aug 07 10:42:35 3rd no access to keyboard Aug 07 10:42:59 reasons why there's no SAT support? Aug 07 10:43:01 jacekowski: that's why you run a tiiny code on the cortex Aug 07 10:43:03 or what? Aug 07 10:43:17 kerio: well, it has to still run Aug 07 10:43:22 DocScrutinizer: ty, will see that link Aug 07 10:43:28 kerio: so it uses power Aug 07 10:43:35 125mhz Aug 07 10:43:45 no backlit Aug 07 10:43:53 no savings at all Aug 07 10:44:02 go pure transreflective Aug 07 10:44:37 aw :( Aug 07 10:45:03 :D Aug 07 10:45:12 'transreflective' is pretty much useless in darkness Aug 07 10:45:18 ok, *really*dumbphone - receive only Aug 07 10:45:36 so what, rings for 5 seconds then auto-answers? Aug 07 10:45:50 main processor still has to run Aug 07 10:46:01 evertyhing that goes to rapuyama is processed by it Aug 07 10:46:09 jacekowski: enable 125mhz plus that smart thing that's unstable Aug 07 10:46:19 BS Aug 07 10:46:34 smartreflex? Aug 07 10:46:37 that's a piece of shit Aug 07 10:46:52 no Aug 07 10:47:03 ´let me rephrase that. it's useless for 60% of people Aug 07 10:47:09 korhojoa: hey, we don't have to run anything on it :D Aug 07 10:47:21 it's a fsckd up design of the regulator to SoC wiring Aug 07 10:47:32 with smartreflex it might even be able to screw up a nop Aug 07 10:48:01 nop is suddenly jmp and whoa it resets! Aug 07 10:48:06 sure, as the regs may not change voltage fast enough for CPU clock freq transitions Aug 07 10:48:45 korhojoa: woah, that's something Aug 07 10:49:17 tbh, smartreflex usually works fine for me for a day Aug 07 10:49:24 then it starts doing funky things and in the end resets Aug 07 10:49:39 but does it save power before that? Aug 07 10:49:43 but please stop that nonsense. It's BS to run something on Rapuyama for "bat savings" and then lok SoC CPU to 125 and permanent on to make it happen :-/ Aug 07 10:49:58 kerio: not really. Aug 07 10:50:02 k, will do Aug 07 10:50:10 1) we can't do that (run anything on rapu) Aug 07 10:50:12 * RST38h does not understand a word of what Doc is saying Aug 07 10:50:14 well, only thing that would make sence is to run dumb os on main processor Aug 07 10:50:20 2) it won't save anything Aug 07 10:50:28 dumb os! dumb os! Aug 07 10:50:36 and design in a way that main processor only would wake up on incoming call Aug 07 10:50:37 RST38h, does not fempute? Aug 07 10:50:53 and that's something that's possible Aug 07 10:50:54 something like that Aug 07 10:51:03 three buttons: "call/answer" "turn off" "?????" Aug 07 10:51:06 although rapuyama sounds japanese Aug 07 10:51:25 rapu is a finnish word for crab Aug 07 10:51:33 korhojoa: use the camera lid Aug 07 10:51:42 ah. even better Aug 07 10:51:55 ok, now it sounds like some perverted Japanese sex practice involving Finnish crabs. Aug 07 10:51:58 :D Aug 07 10:52:26 DocScrutinizer: amazing, it worked, ty very much!! Aug 07 10:52:28 As to power saving, simply use i8051 or a similar CPU to run your whole phone on. Aug 07 10:52:33 yw Aug 07 10:52:42 I was gonna reflash Aug 07 10:52:44 lol Aug 07 10:53:00 * RST38h would suggest dumb logic but it would be unrealistic Aug 07 10:53:07 power saving: switch to a dumbphone. add a external lipo battery and you'll have a phone that lasts forever on battery Aug 07 10:55:29 korhojoa: but... single device! Aug 07 10:55:54 well. put them in a big black box Aug 07 10:55:55 single dumb device, what would you need a smart device for Aug 07 10:56:05 then they'll be a single dumb device Aug 07 10:59:33 hmm Aug 07 11:17:05 RST38h: (not a word) of my notes about smartreflex? or the line about general uselessness of idea to run user progs on rapu? Aug 07 11:20:29 btw to maximize standby time: switch off all unsolicited msgs from Rapuyama, then got to suspend-to-ram on SoC ->300h standby Aug 07 11:20:46 Yeah - I have done that, it works well. Aug 07 11:20:57 But I haven't worked out how to actually switch off unsols. Aug 07 11:21:09 it wakes up on every signal change - which makes it useless Aug 07 11:21:26 * DocScrutinizer nods Aug 07 11:25:31 SmartReflex will not work. Aug 07 11:25:47 SmartReflex will always work Aug 07 11:25:49 forget it, there is a manufacturing flaw Aug 07 11:26:11 SR is a couple of measures Aug 07 11:26:32 the one disabled will not work if enabled. Aug 07 11:26:35 DocScrutinizer, measures can be flawed :) Aug 07 11:26:37 what you're talking bout is just automatic dynamic adjustment of core voltage Aug 07 11:26:42 yes Aug 07 11:27:04 slonopotamus: thanks, cpt obvious! Aug 07 11:27:27 DocScrutinizer, yw Aug 07 11:27:33 [2010-08-07 12:48:05] sure, as the regs may not change voltage fast enough for CPU clock freq transitions Aug 07 11:30:32 so basically SmartReflex for GAIA (aka dynamic core voltage) is transiently doing same bad thing to the system that those idiotic ULV settings suggested by OC fanboys do permanently Aug 07 11:31:58 their idiotic ulv settings appear to work Aug 07 11:32:14 the dynamic core voltage changes do not Aug 07 11:32:26 as does that SR sysnode setting :-P Aug 07 11:33:20 "Sherlock" is pretty good, except that I can't avoid thinking of DrWho playing Holmes there. Aug 07 11:33:42 Looks like Dr Who. Talks like Dr Who. Behaves like Dr Who. Aug 07 11:33:57 i thought that! Aug 07 11:34:11 a traditional slightly mad/absent-minded one Aug 07 11:34:22 (and sherlock holmes really shouldn't be absent-minded) Aug 07 11:34:25 Same guy writing scripts for both shows Aug 07 11:34:28 ah Aug 07 11:34:51 i've only seen a tiny bit of sherlock, and noticed it Aug 07 11:36:21 RST38h: also, this being teh internet, i am forced to remind you that he is known simply as "The Doctor", not as "Dr Who" Aug 07 11:37:39 Dr W. who cares. Who -Watson Aug 07 11:38:15 except you said he's playing Holmes Aug 07 11:38:45 heh, not-english people Aug 07 11:38:55 and their failure to realise that life is mostly about dr. who Aug 07 11:39:04 Ah, another wikipedian. Aug 07 11:40:00 probably watson and holmes confused their roles and storybooks Aug 07 11:40:10 But yes, DrWho miraculously manages to be completely unrelated to the real world, while being relevant Aug 07 11:40:33 More or less like that Kindzadza movie Aug 07 11:40:33 Torchwood is good one as well Aug 07 11:40:51 british scifi series are one of the best Aug 07 11:40:59 blaergh no more milk -> no cafe latte Aug 07 11:41:03 * DocScrutinizer afk Aug 07 11:41:51 sg-1 is a good one as well Aug 07 11:41:59 * RST38h sighs Aug 07 11:42:31 RST38h: safe your breath, you'll need it Aug 07 11:42:40 Stargate SG-1 (often abbreviated as SG-1) is a Canadian-American military science fiction television series Aug 07 11:43:02 * RST38h heeds Doc's advice and quotes wiki instead Aug 07 11:52:28 * DocScrutinizer notes that in recent US SF, all contact from earth to alien entities always is governed by US military. This parallels their external politics on earth Aug 07 11:52:55 * SpeedEvil ponders. Aug 07 11:54:18 Always has been Aug 07 11:54:28 ...imperialism Aug 07 11:54:44 Just consider StarTrek and what it tells us about the political system of the "Federation" Aug 07 11:54:59 DocScrutinizer: well, in doctor who it's done by the doctor Aug 07 11:55:16 is DrWho a US SF? Aug 07 11:55:59 BTW, now, when I am thinking about it, that "Federation" is pretty creepy Aug 07 11:57:14 Conrolled by the Earth military, "protecting" multiple other species, no money mentioned anywhere, food and transporter "credits" apparently rationed by the government Aug 07 11:57:36 DocScrutinizer: it's british Aug 07 11:57:43 And the Starfleet apparently being the only large enough employer Aug 07 11:57:50 jacekowski: see? Aug 07 12:00:46 Not quite. Aug 07 12:01:06 Back in the 60s, a moderate fraction of US SF output assumed some sort of UN-based body Aug 07 12:01:10 * ShadowJK only vaguely remembers "credits" present on resource-starved voyager and perhaps ds9 that had non-federation comercial activities Aug 07 12:01:24 SpeedEvil: Directed by the US, of course Aug 07 12:01:46 ShadowJK: The also figure in the Next Generation Aug 07 12:01:59 ShadowJK: As in "XXX is out of his transporter credits" Aug 07 12:02:21 ShadowJK: In DS9, the aliens are using money all right Aug 07 12:03:14 * SpeedEvil is rewatching Babylon 5. Aug 07 12:03:57 * RST38h considers rewatching Firefly Aug 07 12:04:28 Where did all the good scifi go :/ Aug 07 12:04:50 alpha uadrant Aug 07 12:04:51 aq^ Aug 07 12:05:08 they took my typing skills too Aug 07 12:05:10 * ShadowJK should finish Blake's 5 someday Aug 07 12:05:21 blakes 7 wasnt it? Aug 07 12:05:46 didn't a few die off Aug 07 12:05:48 ;) Aug 07 12:06:01 ShadowJK: Do check out "Sherlock" Aug 07 12:06:14 ShadowJK: Two episodes are out, you know where to get them Aug 07 12:06:29 i read a lot of scifi Aug 07 12:06:48 some things dont work as tv shows/movies Aug 07 12:06:48 not so sure, haven't had a suitable setup since 2005 or so :) Aug 07 12:06:54 yeah Aug 07 12:07:23 or then will smith comes and rapes it Aug 07 12:07:38 ShadowJK: N900 can both download and play it for you :) Aug 07 12:08:25 It's 2010, why is there no working, easy, legal way :) Aug 07 12:08:35 ssh to the US, use hulu Aug 07 12:08:35 :P Aug 07 12:08:47 That is neither working nor easy Aug 07 12:09:05 :) Aug 07 12:09:06 WORKSFORME Aug 07 12:09:31 Ineed to move my server then Aug 07 12:09:32 How have you got your Hulu account from outside of the US, btw? ;) Aug 07 12:09:41 it's in amsterdam now Aug 07 12:09:49 ah Aug 07 12:09:50 RST38h: don't have one Aug 07 12:10:09 RST38h, maybe you need some cc fraud and identity theft too Aug 07 12:10:30 * RST38h would like to avoid these, if possible Aug 07 12:11:32 Stskeeps: bug trackers should really get that "works on my machine(c)" logo for WORKSFORME bugs Aug 07 12:12:25 http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2010/08/07/n900-349-from-dell-small-business-until-monday/ \o/ Aug 07 12:15:25 i see a lot of auctioned N900s that look like this http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300453454959 i.e. having that dark screen cover with always a white label on the bottom left and the thingy on the top right. is this what a *genuine* N900 looks like when new? (as opposed to the chinese clones i'm aware of) Aug 07 12:16:52 Yes, it looks geniune Aug 07 12:16:58 Which, of course, may not mean a thing Aug 07 12:21:38 Stskeeps: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/the-works-on-my-machine-certification-program.html Aug 07 12:27:16 LjL: that's a protective film to stop it getting scratched before it's sold, the bit on the left is a 2d barcode, for stock control or something, the thing on the right is the tab you use to pull the protective film off Aug 07 12:27:58 yep. i was merely wondering whether it was typical of the real things, or of imitations Aug 07 12:28:09 LjL: also, the specs claim it's the real thing Aug 07 12:28:23 so you would certainly be able to dispute it if it was not Aug 07 12:28:45 and that's the best you're gonna get, because they could always have a picture of an n900 and post you a dead pidgeon Aug 07 12:29:08 the ones to watch out for are the very vaguely described ones Aug 07 12:29:36 n900 (no mention of nokia) mobile phone, has a keyboard, has applications Aug 07 12:30:17 dead pidgeons have applications too Aug 07 12:31:13 is autobuilder dead again? Aug 07 12:34:52 LjL, it is not unknown for people to attempt to use the device with that protective cover on ;) Aug 07 12:35:28 dead pidgeons are awesome Aug 07 12:37:10 kerio: If you're interested, I have several dead rats you could purchase. Aug 07 12:37:19 not a fan of those Aug 07 12:37:32 I could glue a paper aeroplane to them? Aug 07 12:38:52 LjL: they're lying though Aug 07 12:38:52 We will murder them all Aug 07 12:38:58 With laughter and merriment Aug 07 12:39:02 Except for a few Aug 07 12:39:09 LjL: there's no java native to the N900 Aug 07 12:39:10 We take home to experiment! ;) Aug 07 12:39:29 LjL: and MMS is only supported through a third party app Aug 07 12:39:40 screw the java, its the amoled Aug 07 12:40:06 crashanddie: oh right when the auction claims java and mms it's usually a chinese ripoff (i didn't really look at that auction closely, just picked a random one that had the screen cover) Aug 07 12:40:12 lcuk: you mean, capacitive touchscreens are no longer a "requirement"? Aug 07 12:40:19 lcuk: can you use a resisitive screen with that stuff on? Aug 07 12:40:32 LjL: yes Aug 07 12:40:47 LjL: though, the screen cover is just how it comes out of the box, IIRC Aug 07 12:40:50 LjL, sure, thats the normal thing of a protective cover Aug 07 12:41:42 nom nom nom. Aug 07 12:42:03 * SpeedEvil breakfasts on flapjacks crumbled in milk, with puree'd goosebery on top. Aug 07 12:42:28 (and yes, in an ideal world, I'd be doing this before 1:42PM) Aug 07 12:44:01 also please don't take it as flaming, but i've got a capacitive touchscreen phone and various people have told me the N900's touchscreen is much worse in comparison. how do you find it, especially those of you who've tried both? do you have to press harder, and is there any jittering? Aug 07 12:44:19 is xcode an open language? Aug 07 12:44:25 is there a compiler for linux? Aug 07 12:44:38 LjL: the n900's resistive touchscreen is awesome Aug 07 12:44:45 LjL: there is a press required to activate the screen yes. This is several grams thouhg. Aug 07 12:44:49 Actually - hangon - brb Aug 07 12:45:35 will it work if you gently use your nail on it? that's the way i use older resistive screens (from PDAs) Aug 07 12:45:44 LjL, capacitive is merely different Aug 07 12:45:50 i use my n900 screen with finger pad Aug 07 12:46:24 your finger is enough Aug 07 12:46:31 and most of the things are finger-friendly Aug 07 12:46:37 but my nail is much more precise than my finger Aug 07 12:46:43 sure and that works too Aug 07 12:47:51 The touchscreen activation force - with a screen protector - is 8-10g or so. Aug 07 12:48:02 someone here (or in #meego) yesterday was saying something about pressure sensitivity, is there actually that? Aug 07 12:48:55 SpeedEvil: thanks that's interesting information. i don't have a balance now to check what that feels like, but i will later Aug 07 12:49:07 LjL, the N900 does indeed have pressure sensitivity Aug 07 12:49:27 i suppose maybe things like "kinetic" scrolling might be a bit less natural if you have to press the screen Aug 07 12:49:54 lcuk: it does not really Aug 07 12:50:02 LjL: Perhaps half that. Aug 07 12:50:04 lcuk: you cannot rely on the pressure reading at all Aug 07 12:50:15 sigh Aug 07 12:50:16 LjL: perhaps half that with no screen protector Aug 07 12:50:20 same as I cant for a pencil Aug 07 12:50:27 its enough to use for pressure sensitive drawing Aug 07 12:50:31 lcuk: with a pencil, you can Aug 07 12:50:40 LjL: 10g is about the weight of a short pencil Aug 07 12:50:44 until pencil goes on the wonk Aug 07 12:50:50 lcuk: with n900, you can't do much pressure sensitive drawing, it detects pressure randomly Aug 07 12:51:08 RST38h, it works quite well whenever I have messed Aug 07 12:51:23 certainly not milspec but good enough for playing Aug 07 12:51:24 lcuk: does not work for me and I tried Aug 07 12:51:29 LjL: there is a bit of jittering, but the comfort of being able to use anything to use the screen is a livesaver Aug 07 12:51:46 lcuk: it does return a reading, but it appears to be random Aug 07 12:51:47 LjL: especially if you do a bit of outdoor sports, as soon as you wear gloves, no iPhone for you... Aug 07 12:51:53 * SpeedEvil ponders if anyone has died due to being unable to use a capacitive touchscreen. Aug 07 12:52:00 RST38h: the artists don't really agree with you Aug 07 12:52:03 RST38h, nahh its also depending on how much of an effect you put on it Aug 07 12:52:05 crash: you have still got your nose! Aug 07 12:52:11 crashanddie: heh true. is the jittered mitigated anyhow by software? like, when scrolling things, i can imagine the jitter being quite annoying Aug 07 12:52:15 it worked for me to show leadin/leadout color fade on strokes Aug 07 12:52:22 LjL: no, scrolling is fine Aug 07 12:52:38 LjL: scrolling is usually one swift movement, so no problem there Aug 07 12:52:49 NO FROZEN SAUSAGES HERE Aug 07 12:53:07 LjL: Jitter is basically a problem for some software-writers. I have never seen an issue in real life with any software. Aug 07 12:53:25 crashanddie: well it depends, often i will pause at some point during the scrolling to see if i've reached the point i wanted, and then continue scrolling Aug 07 12:53:28 software-writers? Aug 07 12:53:38 * RST38h suspects the penis will work just as well on the iPhone Aug 07 12:54:08 * SpeedEvil has never used his penis as a pointer. Aug 07 12:54:12 Surely, someone has tested that already, more than once, given iPhone users intimate relationship with their fetish Aug 07 12:54:14 Nose, yes. Penis no. Aug 07 12:54:53 LjL, i find NO issues with kinetics on resistive Aug 07 12:55:01 never did on 8x0, never do on n900 Aug 07 12:55:40 LjL: yeah, that works fine Aug 07 12:55:41 morning Aug 07 12:55:54 what cpu/chipsets do the htc phones use? Aug 07 12:55:54 LjL: basically, the algorithms easily implement scrolling, and subsequent stopping in the scrolling Aug 07 12:55:56 are they arm? Aug 07 12:56:05 i have a n900 and was wondering why the gps is soo inprecise. does it require a data isp to work properly? Aug 07 12:56:11 LjL: check out lcuk's picture scrolling videos in liqbase -- it shows proper algorithms Aug 07 12:56:44 phrearch: imprecise? Aug 07 12:56:46 slow to fix maybe Aug 07 12:56:48 but not imprecise Aug 07 12:56:56 phrearch: what do you mean imprecise? Aug 07 12:57:02 i must say i don't particularly like capacitive so far, it feels good not having to exercise any pressure at all and not getting any jitter, but the good feeling stops when you have to hit something a bit small (and there's bound to be such things, like links in a zoomed-out webpage, or selecting text) Aug 07 12:57:08 and yeah, without a registered sim *and* a data connection the gps fix will be slow as fuck Aug 07 12:57:13 LjL: and then there's fail algorithms, for example in the nokia desktop switching, but it's really just because I'm nitpicky (basically, the transition from one desktop to the next takes over as soon as you let go of the click, and if you try to "catch" it again (by clicking again), it will just keep the transition going Aug 07 12:57:15 well, according to ovi maps, im in amsterdam while im in groningen Aug 07 12:57:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS Aug 07 12:57:22 thats like 150 km Aug 07 12:57:35 phrearch: that's not the gps ._. Aug 07 12:57:37 50% of points within 2.4m 90% within 4.2m 99% within 18m Aug 07 12:57:41 ah Aug 07 12:57:43 yeah Aug 07 12:57:48 wait for the gps Aug 07 12:57:54 that's 'centre of country' location. Aug 07 12:58:09 LjL, for good example of kinetics ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjDEvXueO0I Aug 07 12:58:11 (that's something that Maps should get from the iphone - a circle that shows the precision of the current position) Aug 07 12:58:13 Which uses the mobile phone SIMs country, and assumes you're in the centre. Aug 07 12:58:17 err, when i click on the my position its at least 200m away Aug 07 12:58:24 lcuk: thanks but can't load youtube, i'm on GPRS ;) Aug 07 12:58:26 LjL: well, I really like Opera as a browser on the N900, much more than the built-in browser. The zooming is a bit of a pain in MicroB, so the fact that Opera automagically formats text to the width of the screen (without killing the CSS), and automatically zooms on first click is a godsend Aug 07 12:58:28 crashanddie, oi! desktop switching works nicely Aug 07 12:58:44 phrearch: Click on the statusbar. Now - does the GPS section say 'fine resolution' ? Aug 07 12:58:46 lcuk: "throw" one desktop to the next, and during the transition, try to click it again Aug 07 12:58:52 crashanddie, sure Aug 07 12:59:03 lcuk: I expected the transition to stop, and you to be able to move it nicely, but it doesn't Aug 07 12:59:06 SpeedEvil: can't click the statusbar on Maps Aug 07 12:59:08 phrearch: if not - it's usinc cell-positioning Aug 07 12:59:14 lcuk: other than that it's fine (as I said, I'm just being nitpicky) Aug 07 12:59:18 hmm. Aug 07 12:59:18 crashanddie: Opera and Opera Mini are good (on the platforms i've tried them on, anyway). but i was planning to buy the N900 in order to have an as-open-source-as-possible phone, so i'd probably not install Opera Aug 07 12:59:24 I've not really used maps. Aug 07 12:59:39 SpeedEvil: checking Aug 07 12:59:47 LjL: I have chromium, opera, lynx, fennec installed. Aug 07 12:59:51 LjL: wait for a MeeGo phone then :P Aug 07 12:59:59 LjL: oh - and iceweasel Aug 07 13:00:17 LjL: and the stock browser of course. Aug 07 13:00:19 crashanddie: well, i'm a cheapskate though :P so my idea is to get an N900 when/if MeeGo is running fully on it Aug 07 13:00:30 left-top? Aug 07 13:00:39 but meanwhile i'd like to get myself informed :) Aug 07 13:00:46 LjL: well, I really enjoy opera's speed, and the lack of flash, which really helps in navigation on a low-power mobile device Aug 07 13:00:51 phrearch: I'm unsure actually - maps is wierd, and breaks the API Aug 07 13:01:02 crashanddie: no question there, it's good Aug 07 13:01:16 RT: @lcuk Any #nokia #maemo #meego people in Helsinki at the moment, get to http://www.assembly.org/summer10/ and watch out for some decent ARM tricks Aug 07 13:01:21 i clicked again, and now its like 50m off Aug 07 13:01:32 crashanddie: I was amused to find someones link 'this could never work on a phone' - did. http://www.myfreecams.com/ - not worksafe. Aug 07 13:01:33 LjL: also, opera is the only software that includes a good portrait-view on-screen keyboard Aug 07 13:01:51 phrearch: switch to another app, now you can see the statusbar. Aug 07 13:02:02 uhm wait, maemo/meego don't have an onscreen keyboard? Aug 07 13:02:04 phrearch: see if it says 'fine position' when you click it Aug 07 13:02:09 LjL: it can be turned off Aug 07 13:02:25 ah but they do have it. was fearing there was none at all unless software provided it :P Aug 07 13:02:53 phrearch: s/API/UX/ Aug 07 13:02:55 aha Aug 07 13:03:03 no, it was coarse Aug 07 13:03:18 it is coars Aug 07 13:03:25 phrearch: that usually means it can't pick up sat signals for some reason - if it's been on for > a couple of mins. Aug 07 13:03:39 phrearch: Are you indoors? Aug 07 13:03:52 SpeedEvil, yea, ill check outside Aug 07 13:04:01 thanks :) Aug 07 13:04:49 once it's had a position recently, it's lots more sensitive, even if you go indoors it will often keep lock Aug 07 13:05:44 one other thing i want to know about maemo and especially meego (and i guess i shouldn't ask here, but i didn't get a reply there :P) is - where do i find software? the obvious googles don't give much of anything at all. is there just very little 3rd party software around, or what? Aug 07 13:06:31 http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ Aug 07 13:06:37 the googles, they do nothing! Aug 07 13:06:41 cool thanks, that was much much better Aug 07 13:06:43 LjL: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Aug 07 13:06:55 There is regrettably little third party commercial software. Aug 07 13:07:15 i just need a 3g data connection for outdoors Aug 07 13:07:15 While you maybe can't count the apps on the fingers of one hand, I suspect you may make it on 2. Aug 07 13:07:41 phrearch: you *can* get a proper gps fix with no cell network and no internet Aug 07 13:07:46 but it will be *slooooooooooooooooow* Aug 07 13:08:01 with both, i usually get a precise signal in less than 10 seconds Aug 07 13:08:03 kerio: does it need the data for the sattellite info? Aug 07 13:08:18 like where its orbiting Aug 07 13:08:22 SpeedEvil: :( i was under the impression that apps could be found on Ovi Store, but that was confusing to me when i went there, as it lists stuff for other phones i think Aug 07 13:08:37 Ovi store is basically completely fucking broken. Aug 07 13:08:44 phrearch: yup Aug 07 13:08:54 well, for a list of satellites the gps can reasonably expect to see Aug 07 13:09:05 focusing on those, you get a position way faster than the usual Aug 07 13:09:08 A list of satellites, and more importantly their orbits. Aug 07 13:09:10 it's callled assisted gps Aug 07 13:09:27 This, combined with the current time and you r approximate location vastly speeds up lock Aug 07 13:10:17 would be fun to create some apps with gps Aug 07 13:10:44 go ahead, there's liblocation Aug 07 13:10:56 ok, and a python lib for it as well right? Aug 07 13:11:33 would be cool if http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP7zty5Kg7g works with gps Aug 07 13:11:37 dunno, probably yes Aug 07 13:12:32 for instance though i was hearing yesterday there are "a couple" of call recording apps for the N900 (which isn't possible on my Android), would those be in Extras, or somewhere on the broken Ovi Store, or what? Aug 07 13:12:47 they are in extras. Aug 07 13:13:04 There are - I think around a dozen GPS related apps for n900. Aug 07 13:13:04 hya..anyone knows of a identica client for the n900? Aug 07 13:13:52 LjL: pretty much everything is in the repos Aug 07 13:14:36 can someone please do an apt-cache search "" for me and pastebin the result, so i can have a look at the full list easily? Aug 07 13:14:41 http://tasvideos.org/650S.html Aug 07 13:14:50 apt-cache list? Aug 07 13:14:53 :) Aug 07 13:15:11 How do I list all packages available from a repo? Aug 07 13:15:19 Or all configured reps for that matter Aug 07 13:15:33 zeltak: "witter" does, apparently Aug 07 13:15:53 k thx kerio Aug 07 13:16:24 apt-cache search "" Aug 07 13:16:26 lists them :P Aug 07 13:19:47 LjL: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/recaller/ Aug 07 13:20:12 "stable" means extras, yes Aug 07 13:21:03 aha Aug 07 13:28:28 looking at http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/Maemo5/25/ *#-enabler and comparing to PortaBase I wonder HTF I get a decent "icon" there? I gather that's not the app icon but a screenshot displayed there, but where to set that? Aug 07 13:28:54 BTW, what is is enabler thing for? Hasn't nokia enabled *# codes in PR1.2? Aug 07 13:29:39 given the fact my edits on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler/ vanished after some 30min Aug 07 13:30:08 RST38h: see tmo "project homepage" Aug 07 13:30:08 importing a package into extras tends to delete all the edits you have previously done Aug 07 13:30:25 so, complain to XFade, although I doubt he will do anything Aug 07 13:30:45 RST38h: edits were done *after* importing Aug 07 13:30:51 hi everyone Aug 07 13:31:09 i need to go to the help channel.any help please. Aug 07 13:31:23 eerrrr wut? Aug 07 13:31:26 DocScrutinizer: same place as you edit the description you can add pictures Aug 07 13:31:26 got bit problem Aug 07 13:31:39 DocScrutinizer: but the pictures actually stick, compared to description :P Aug 07 13:31:48 frals: oh I see Aug 07 13:31:54 frals: thanks Aug 07 13:31:57 np Aug 07 13:32:01 any help here please Aug 07 13:32:12 ~question Aug 07 13:32:13 extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Aug 07 13:32:15 Doc: Yes but how do you know when it actually imports the package? Aug 07 13:32:20 ~ask Aug 07 13:32:21 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Aug 07 13:32:25 redsta111: however you're not actually asking a question. Aug 07 13:32:27 Doc: Given that the actual import script runs on a timer Aug 07 13:32:42 05/35 every hour Aug 07 13:32:49 (if that was the question) Aug 07 13:33:07 yeah.The problem is I can't turn on my n900 Aug 07 13:33:35 it happened after last night,when I was trying to run Android on it with dual boot Aug 07 13:33:51 details please! Aug 07 13:34:11 symptoms Aug 07 13:34:36 * RST38h wonders if knowing when the extras import script runs, with minute precision, is unhealthy for one's sanity Aug 07 13:34:44 I ain't here voluntarily that's for sure! Strapping me in this chair is cruel and unusual punishment I tells ya! Aug 07 13:35:05 RST38h: anyway on every run, edits are lost Aug 07 13:35:11 yea Aug 07 13:35:15 I know Aug 07 13:35:45 * RST38h stopped caring months ago though: it is never getting fixed and it is not worth adding any package details because they get cleared Aug 07 13:36:01 yep :-S Aug 07 13:36:09 what a Sh... Aug 07 13:36:25 Doc: Who cares? Nobody uses Extras any more. Everyone is using -Testing or -Devel Aug 07 13:36:37 yeah.last night i was trying to dual boot because of android.but I couldn't do it right.I got stuck on partition.So I quit.but today I just tried to turn off my n900 it says my phone is on usb mode remove the cable to turn it off.but it wasn't on usb so I just turned off by talking to battery out. Aug 07 13:36:43 what i heard X-Fade was looking in to it, but I guess there are more urgent stuff to sort Aug 07 13:36:52 to make things worse the same fsckng bug #10987 shows up on several new pages now that *# gone to stable Aug 07 13:36:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel * rendering issue Aug 07 13:37:04 People are not stupid, no matter how much you bullshit them about "thorough testing that goes into Extras", they still figure it out that all the useful stuff is in -Testing/-Devel Aug 07 13:37:36 * RST38h pulls up a respirator and goes outside to get some food Aug 07 13:37:50 after that when I tried to turn it on agian.with white screen it says nokia-dual boot...........and in the middle it says press anykey to select with 30sec time out Aug 07 13:37:58 * DocScrutinizer grins on "talking out the battery" :-> Aug 07 13:38:21 sorry? Aug 07 13:38:28 nvm Aug 07 13:39:14 LOL Aug 07 13:39:57 redsta111: seems dual boot messed up your root system. Probably you need to reflash rootfs (aka COMBINED) Aug 07 13:40:02 ~flashing Aug 07 13:40:03 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 07 13:40:07 but when it comes to 8sec it just turns off by it self again and again Aug 07 13:40:34 but is there anyway to back my photos and music? Aug 07 13:40:43 won't get hurt Aug 07 13:40:44 backup Aug 07 13:40:55 they live on eMMC Aug 07 13:40:59 aka VANILLA Aug 07 13:41:12 do NOT flash eMMC, just flash rootfs Aug 07 13:41:13 oh u mean by only flashing the emmc or VANILLA? Aug 07 13:41:24 neither Aug 07 13:41:43 Flash the COMBINED (rootfs) image Aug 07 13:42:00 do NOT flash eMMC, just flash rootfs Aug 07 13:43:28 u mean by only flashing with firmware-image Aug 07 13:47:24 DocScrutinizer: oh, does that site list everything in extras? Aug 07 13:48:37 (i assume for meego there's even less software?) Aug 07 13:49:03 LjL, ... of course? MeeGo is still brewing Aug 07 13:49:35 OTOH, you have countless normal Linux apps, and you can probably chroot into Maemo and use Maemo apps in MeeGo Aug 07 13:50:51 oh it needs chrooting? i thought it was just compatible with at least part of the maemo apps Aug 07 13:51:44 fincher# Aug 07 13:56:35 guerby: which site? Aug 07 13:57:13 err, sorry guerby - ETAB, was meant to guest62... Aug 07 14:06:19 LjL: maemo apps will need a recompile to work under meego aiui Aug 07 14:06:44 LjL: a chroot would enable running original maemo binaries Aug 07 14:09:31 does anyone know if you could get ovi map to show street names in a different language? Aug 07 14:11:02 pigeon: I'd be surprised Aug 07 14:11:11 pigeon: street names usually only have one language Aug 07 14:11:46 except for dual-language areas, but then again, that's quite specific Aug 07 14:12:06 like, for japan, or china, it's more useful to be in japanese/chinese, rather than the english translation. Aug 07 14:12:47 i used the ovi suite to pre-download maps, and i actually found it downloaded japanese and chinese ttf into the cities directory. Aug 07 14:13:13 well, internationally-speaking: addresses should always be written in the country's language Aug 07 14:13:23 yeah Aug 07 14:13:34 ovi maps seems to just show the english translation street names Aug 07 14:14:01 so yes, you are correct, china's addresses should be in mandarin (or whatever the official language is for china) or kanji Aug 07 14:14:07 crashanddie: Taipei streetnames have 2 lang Aug 07 14:14:39 DocScrutinizer: here in French Catalunya streets have two names as well, the French, and the Catalan name. Aug 07 14:15:06 same in spain I guess, for katalan Aug 07 14:15:27 so, i guess ovi maps can't do it, or at least the version on the n900 can't. Aug 07 14:15:44 pigeon: that would be my guess, too. Aug 07 14:15:53 is ovi maps usable for any routing, btw? Aug 07 14:16:13 pigeon: set general language to kanji and maybe ovi streetmaps change Aug 07 14:16:40 i tried changing my n900 language/locale to taiwan/chinese, but didn't help the map street names. Aug 07 14:16:52 hmm :-S Aug 07 14:17:16 crashanddie: it worked, but i wouldn't say it's great. Aug 07 14:17:51 mappero does voice, which has the advantage for driving. Aug 07 14:17:57 generally spoken routing yes, guiding no Aug 07 14:20:45 pigeon: I'd be surprised if changing LOCALE of a western maemo to Chinese did work at all Aug 07 14:21:51 maybe switches *some* labels, but for sure not the general way of device operation Aug 07 14:22:11 well i installed the chinese package, i've generated the locales myself before too, n900 ui wise is fine, but ovi maps street names are still english for taiwan, for example. Aug 07 14:22:40 mhm, ovi maps is kinda off board app Aug 07 14:22:54 i do have a chinese (hk) version of an n900 here too, i could try to load ovi maps on it and see. Aug 07 14:22:59 it won't simply change by switching to Chinese I guess Aug 07 14:23:31 my own n900 is the us version, i bought another n900 for someone which is a hk version. Aug 07 14:23:32 probably OVI maps simply doesn't support that Aug 07 14:24:12 tbh I'd expect you are more lucky with katalan than with chinese ;-) Aug 07 14:24:27 for maps Aug 07 14:24:29 perhaps i could do another test, i will install the ovi suite and select chinese version, and see if that changes anything. Aug 07 14:24:54 * DocScrutinizer nods Aug 07 14:30:27 how long does it take to charge full speed when the battery is completely dead? Aug 07 14:31:38 3h Aug 07 14:31:52 maybe 4 Aug 07 14:32:06 i've started ovi suite trying to get some maps onto my phone Aug 07 14:32:12 and well it's just not doing anything Aug 07 14:32:33 please wait while retrieving the avaliable maps ........ Aug 07 14:32:36 ovi suite just gives me "no ELF" :-P Aug 07 14:32:47 forget ovi suite Aug 07 14:32:50 copy maps directly Aug 07 14:33:03 ovi suite is satan's spawn Aug 07 14:33:07 how? Aug 07 14:33:13 a moment Aug 07 14:33:14 where do you get map files from? Aug 07 14:33:33 i did the direct copy method too, but now i realized using ovi suite is actually different. Aug 07 14:34:43 for direct download, i followed: http://www.hpsblog.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html Aug 07 14:34:57 jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=428531&postcount=20 Aug 07 14:35:02 but then, now i compared with maps downloaded using ovi suite, the files are not exactly the same. Aug 07 14:35:19 corecode: if you have screen on and some power greedy things active, then maybe much longer even than 4h, maybe forever Aug 07 14:36:11 btw. search is not working with downloaded maps as well? Aug 07 14:36:35 ...automatically adjust parking rates based on supply and demand, which means you could pay anywhere from $0.25 to $6.00 an hour depending on how many free spaces there are... Aug 07 14:37:04 DocScrutinizer: i mean battery so dead that it doesn't start Aug 07 14:37:09 Weird. Why not just raise the price to $6/hr? They will make more money this way. Aug 07 14:37:24 corecode: then it will go into emergency charge mode Aug 07 14:37:32 yes, that's what i mean Aug 07 14:37:38 how long will it take until i can boot it? Aug 07 14:37:40 corecode: see... Aug 07 14:37:46 corecode: and if it's so dead that it will not go into emergency charge mode then it's impossible to charge it Aug 07 14:37:51 ~flatbat-recover Aug 07 14:37:59 err Aug 07 14:38:22 jacekowski: ovi map's search seems to need a net connection, don't ask me why though... Aug 07 14:38:32 it is still blinking Aug 07 14:38:36 well it doesn't work with net connection Aug 07 14:38:39 but for quite some time now Aug 07 14:38:45 corecode: it's charging then Aug 07 14:38:46 ~flatbat-recover Aug 07 14:38:50 ~flatbatrecover Aug 07 14:38:51 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Aug 07 14:38:52 lol Aug 07 14:38:54 damn Aug 07 14:39:43 why the remove? Aug 07 14:39:53 * DocScrutinizer sighs Aug 07 14:40:03 well i have a blinking amber Aug 07 14:40:05 ha! Aug 07 14:40:07 needed to reset... things Aug 07 14:40:08 it booted Aug 07 14:40:08 then leave it Aug 07 14:40:22 weee Aug 07 14:40:42 lock screen, and wait til green Aug 07 14:41:19 if you got any problems with charging before Aug 07 14:41:44 only with bad cables Aug 07 14:42:05 also *always* use Nokia wallcharger if any problems with charging Aug 07 14:42:30 yea, don't have it right now with me Aug 07 14:43:06 so what U r using then? Aug 07 14:43:50 a usb charger bought in a grocery store Aug 07 14:43:54 3rd party wallwart charger? or PC? which OS on PC? Aug 07 14:43:55 says 1000mA Aug 07 14:44:18 corecode: odds are it charges at 100mA only, due to missing D+- short Aug 07 14:44:52 also iirc you should use at least a 1200mA charger with N900 Aug 07 14:45:41 ah Aug 07 14:45:43 corecode: N900 most probably will DIScharge when connected to charger without D+- short signalling Aug 07 14:45:53 no, it works Aug 07 14:45:56 i was using it Aug 07 14:46:08 hmm Aug 07 14:46:15 which file could i check for the charging current? Aug 07 14:46:21 some in /sys or /proc Aug 07 14:46:35 bq27200.sh Aug 07 14:46:40 of ShadowJK Aug 07 14:47:41 there are some sysnodes to query about charger detect, but I don't know off top of my head Aug 07 14:48:17 bq27200 will tell you *true* current of battery Aug 07 14:48:53 while the sysnodes only get you notion of kernel about current situation about connected charger Aug 07 14:49:58 trying to find the script Aug 07 14:50:16 corecode: sorry dude, I know that's not exactly helping right now, in your situation Aug 07 14:50:30 np, i got it to boot Aug 07 14:50:36 and it is charging slowly Aug 07 14:51:04 so where is that .sh file? Aug 07 14:52:54 WTF?! Aug 07 14:52:57 jr@halley:~> lshal|grep battery.vol Aug 07 14:52:59 battery.voltage.current = 12284 (0x2ffc) (int) Aug 07 14:53:00 battery.voltage.design = 11100 (0x2b5c) (int) Aug 07 14:53:02 battery.voltage.unit = 'mV' (string) Aug 07 14:53:18 ooh Aug 07 14:53:20 sorry Aug 07 14:54:00 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# lshal|grep battery.vol Aug 07 14:54:02 battery.voltage.current = 3920 (0xf50) (int) Aug 07 14:54:03 battery.voltage.design = 4200 (0x1068) (int) Aug 07 14:54:05 battery.voltage.unit = 'mV' (string) Aug 07 14:54:22 heh what was that? Aug 07 14:54:37 hal-device bme | grep positive Aug 07 14:54:42 corecode: good start to check that value (voltage.current) ans see if it rises Aug 07 14:54:53 it says charge charge_level.current = 8 Aug 07 14:54:56 haha Aug 07 14:54:59 is that mA? Aug 07 14:55:13 no Aug 07 14:55:17 it's the 'bars' Aug 07 14:55:26 8 is fully charged IIRC Aug 07 14:55:31 battery.charge_level.unit = 'bars' (string) Aug 07 14:55:36 the level doesn't update while charging Aug 07 14:55:53 voltage does though iirc Aug 07 14:55:59 corecode, comfortable with rootsh? Aug 07 14:56:18 always Aug 07 14:56:28 ah, it says 85% Aug 07 14:56:35 nvm Aug 07 14:56:52 bogus Aug 07 14:57:17 sometimes at least Aug 07 14:57:30 The battery voltage from hal is accurate. Aug 07 14:57:35 bat voltage current is best value you can get Aug 07 14:57:41 I'm unsure any parameter else is actually useful. Aug 07 14:57:49 nope Aug 07 14:58:12 corecode, sudo gainroot, su -, wget http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar , tar -xf bq.tar, ./bq27200.sh 5 Aug 07 14:58:13 Hehe, Texrat got really angry now =) Aug 07 14:58:34 ouch Aug 07 14:58:38 pointer? Aug 07 14:58:39 yea for some reason i don't have wget Aug 07 14:58:42 how is that possible Aug 07 14:58:43 The hal stuff is "lazily" updated. It's mostly only updated when battery icon becomes visible Aug 07 14:59:00 apt-get install wget Aug 07 14:59:59 ShadowJK: I'd doubt we want to RE such crap ;-P Aug 07 15:00:17 Doc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56544&page=2 Aug 07 15:00:45 everything done from scratch for jrbme / hal-addon-jrbme could only be better Aug 07 15:01:35 500mA Aug 07 15:01:50 hmm Aug 07 15:02:05 so i should mod the charger to short d+ and d-? Aug 07 15:02:42 thanks Aug 07 15:03:04 corecode, does it say 500mA in the mA column? Aug 07 15:03:10 yes Aug 07 15:03:15 505, 496 etc Aug 07 15:03:16 RST38h: fair enough Aug 07 15:03:19 What's in the volt column? Aug 07 15:03:29 sorry, mv column Aug 07 15:03:40 TTF col? Aug 07 15:03:40 4114, 4122 Aug 07 15:03:51 your charger is fine Aug 07 15:03:57 your bat is almost full Aug 07 15:04:02 yep Aug 07 15:04:03 yeh Aug 07 15:04:33 but if it cal already do 1A, why not hack it so that it also does use 1A? Aug 07 15:04:34 TTF gives you a coarse idea about ETA to 100% Aug 07 15:04:35 Doc: I wonder if he starts changing people's comments again Aug 07 15:04:41 the RSOC/CSOC columns are probably 80 or 90 something? Aug 07 15:04:45 i need to check why the other cables don't work Aug 07 15:05:00 64 both Aug 07 15:05:08 corecode: Oh basically the battery when approaching full can't accept full 1000mAh charge Aug 07 15:05:14 ah Aug 07 15:05:19 corecode: the 500 are as much as battery cell actually likes to take in that situation Aug 07 15:05:32 fine Aug 07 15:06:05 the charger however is delivering 500 + Aug 07 15:06:07 This has the side-effect that first 50% are pretty fast Aug 07 15:06:26 and the last 10% takes a long time :) Aug 07 15:06:31 :) Aug 07 15:06:45 well actually *Vbat/5V Aug 07 15:07:25 4150 and above can be considered "full" cell Aug 07 15:07:44 corecode, hey, can you run just './bq27200.sh' and pastebin me the output? Aug 07 15:07:57 one line, paste here Aug 07 15:08:25 I actually wanted the "dump" format that also has some eeprom data :) Aug 07 15:08:32 ooh Aug 07 15:08:57 you expect any news on that? Aug 07 15:09:15 I'm just collecting samples :) Aug 07 15:09:20 :-D Aug 07 15:09:37 you never can have too much samples Aug 07 15:10:10 bets on "cycles since last learning" ? Aug 07 15:10:52 my bet: 0 Aug 07 15:12:15 http://pastebin.ca/1912801 ShadowJK Aug 07 15:12:22 (22mr) Aug 07 15:12:59 charging finished Aug 07 15:13:02 pastebin.org/453123 Aug 07 15:13:05 microcycling Aug 07 15:14:01 corecode: he was interested n full output of a call to shellscript without trailing 5 ;-) Aug 07 15:14:22 ah? Aug 07 15:14:25 is that different Aug 07 15:14:42 ShadowJK: you should augment that script to print out actual RS value Aug 07 15:15:23 fine there you go Aug 07 15:15:41 pastebin.org/453143 Aug 07 15:16:25 Cycle Count since Learning: 58 -- ouch I've been way off with my '0' Aug 07 15:16:50 heh Aug 07 15:17:14 If you don't screw with it and don't hit wierd usecases, I suspect most peoples bats will never learn. Aug 07 15:17:15 1510mAh, is that good? Aug 07 15:17:22 ooh, jrbme? Aug 07 15:17:26 corecode: 1510 is completley made up. Aug 07 15:17:35 corecode: it's the initially set capacity Aug 07 15:17:41 beh Aug 07 15:17:50 so it does not measure the capacity Aug 07 15:17:52 Learning hmm... does that mean one should run the battery flat at least once so it knows more about it? Aug 07 15:18:52 SpeedEvil: actually last measured discharge Aug 07 15:19:09 on a RS I think is wrong Aug 07 15:19:41 nox-: exactly Aug 07 15:19:52 corecode, thanks Aug 07 15:20:56 DocScrutinizer: I mean LMD does not differ from ILMD if you only have cycles that disqualify. Aug 07 15:21:22 ILMD=2056 Aug 07 15:21:26 and if you have to take the battery out because it crashed, will it forget what it has learned? Aug 07 15:21:48 yes Aug 07 15:21:56 hrrm Aug 07 15:22:15 nox-: after all you could have swapped for a different battery Aug 07 15:22:23 yeah thats why i asked Aug 07 15:22:42 If you take the battery out, it will forget cycles too though Aug 07 15:22:46 this chip isn't designed for mounting to device, it's supposed to live inside battery Aug 07 15:23:05 oh Aug 07 15:23:38 so the way it's used here yields sub par performance/experience Aug 07 15:23:50 *nod* Aug 07 15:24:34 The way it's used in the phone is somewhat irrelevant. Aug 07 15:24:45 err? Aug 07 15:24:51 In that the exact way it's configured - it could give 100% accurate battery life Aug 07 15:25:07 1510 is ILMD-ILMD/8, once or twice.. Aug 07 15:25:07 simply by BME noting down the real capacity at every end of charge. Aug 07 15:25:12 just after learning cycle Aug 07 15:25:27 Even if the battery chip doesn't 'really' learn. Aug 07 15:25:48 This would have some advantage - for example - it means that it can keep track of different battery capacities in software Aug 07 15:26:49 what I bet it tries somehow (bme) - look at jacekowski find about bme writing(!) to cal Aug 07 15:27:56 Imean how odd is THAT? writing data to cal about a device basically *attached* to N900 Aug 07 15:29:13 to CAL(!) Aug 07 15:29:19 whats cal? Aug 07 15:29:46 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Aug 07 15:30:23 SpeedEvil: i took out the battery to replace the SIM card Aug 07 15:30:27 SpeedEvil: and the cycles didn't reset Aug 07 15:30:34 yeah - I said if it reset Aug 07 15:30:38 ah Aug 07 15:30:38 ok Aug 07 15:30:44 I don't think it resets immediately in all circumstances. Aug 07 15:31:03 Possibly if plugged into USB vbat will stay >2.5 - I'm unsure Aug 07 15:31:58 corecode: takes a while until it actually resets when bat out. There are bufer caps Aug 07 15:32:23 if still plugged to USB it'll never reset on bat removal Aug 07 15:32:37 I think :-) Aug 07 15:33:25 yea, i lost the time a couple of times Aug 07 15:33:29 annoying Aug 07 15:33:34 what what does image-viewer do? it seems to more or less constantaly eat cpu here... Aug 07 15:34:28 only as long as it takes to run a 'grep -r somecrappattern /' Aug 07 15:34:57 actually 'grep -r somecrappattern ~user/MyDocs' Aug 07 15:35:33 + /media/card Aug 07 15:35:56 you mean image-viewer? Aug 07 15:36:09 I really mean trackerd Aug 07 15:36:25 which aiui is triggered by image-viewer Aug 07 15:36:32 well trackerd i no longer see running Aug 07 15:36:32 ah Aug 07 15:37:11 htop will tell ;-) Aug 07 15:37:58 but maybe image-viewer is busy as well, to animate all the animated gifs you got on your device - who knows... X-P Aug 07 15:38:09 haha no Aug 07 15:38:30 If it is not idle, hen it should be, enter a bug in the bugtracker. Aug 07 15:38:31 bbl Aug 07 15:39:12 hm right now trackerd i see too in htop Aug 07 15:39:23 `normal' top only showed image-viewer Aug 07 15:39:34 or did the apt-get installl htop trigger trackerd? Aug 07 15:40:18 maybe, but first check sort field of top Aug 07 15:40:52 i think it sorts by %cpu Aug 07 15:40:59 might not show trackerd (I have to confess I never got it how to display more than the first page of processes, in top) Aug 07 15:41:23 well now its back to image-viewer at top Aug 07 15:42:23 [2010-08-07 17:38:29] If it is not idle,... bugtracker Aug 07 15:45:25 how do you take a scrrenshot? (of xterm in this case) Aug 07 15:45:36 screenshot even Aug 07 15:45:39 ctrl-sh-p Aug 07 15:45:41 ctrl shift p Aug 07 15:46:18 and where does the file go? Aug 07 15:46:23 sudo go buy food for me Aug 07 15:46:51 MyDocs somewhere, images or something similar Aug 07 15:46:53 somewhere in MyDocs/.*/screenshots afaik Aug 07 15:47:54 ah found it, thx Aug 07 15:48:05 meh, garbage BGA chips on random places here... XD Aug 07 15:48:23 * DocScrutinizer waves Aug 07 15:49:35 mydocs/.images/Screenshots Aug 07 15:49:42 MyDocs* Aug 07 15:49:50 somebody needs a K4M511633C? (me throwing the critter into bin) Aug 07 15:50:12 never heard about. :d Aug 07 15:53:36 http://www.imagebanana.com/view/6alfvvon/Screenshot20100807175154.png Aug 07 15:54:08 this image-viewer seems to have run for total of 58h!? Aug 07 15:54:48 oh and has anyone here used fbreader? am i right it has no keyboard control on n900? Aug 07 15:56:31 it used to have kb control on 8x0 and I doubt they would have removed it Aug 07 15:56:34 configurable Aug 07 15:56:44 hm where? Aug 07 15:56:56 options? Aug 07 15:58:06 click at the top? preferences in there has nothing about kbd... Aug 07 16:00:05 nox-, on the options dialog there is a keys tab Aug 07 16:00:52 where is the options dialog? the one you get by clicking at `fbreader' at the top? Aug 07 16:01:16 taking screenshots the hardcore way: Aug 07 16:01:18 cp /dev/fb0 screenshot.raw && ffmpeg -vcodec rawvideo -f rawvideo -pix_fmt rgb565 -s 800x480 -i screenshot.raw -f image2 -vcodec png screenshot.png Aug 07 16:01:28 heh Aug 07 16:01:44 b-man, actually more useful than you think Aug 07 16:01:55 can take screenshots from ssh console on big computer easier! Aug 07 16:02:06 xD Aug 07 16:02:11 but it needs to format the filename correctly to include datestamp Aug 07 16:02:21 or dupes occur Aug 07 16:03:18 nox-, click on one of the tab headers in the fbreader->preferences dialog Aug 07 16:03:25 and use arrow keys on keyboard to move right Aug 07 16:03:34 theres more tabs on the dialog than you see initially Aug 07 16:03:55 its very intuitive like that Aug 07 16:04:28 aah :) Aug 07 16:08:10 thats better :) Aug 07 16:17:41 thx lcuk :) Aug 07 16:17:56 yw \o Aug 07 16:30:01 i love how ppl are posting "omg mms sucks use email" in fmms thread Aug 07 16:30:34 :D Aug 07 16:30:39 how supportive Aug 07 16:33:59 Has anyone in here successfully compiled PyPy to run on a Nokia N810? Aug 07 16:34:11 frals, computer folks do, but having mms is something for those times when email just won't do Aug 07 16:34:28 we know this already though :D Aug 07 16:34:46 It won't compile on Scratchbox2+QEMU because it keeps segfaulting (sig11). It won't compile on the PDA because the PDA has too little RAM. I'm thinking of NFS-mounting my laptop to the PDA & then mounting a volume from the laptop onto the PDA as virtual RAM. :-/ Aug 07 16:36:18 lcuk: yeah, its pretty obvious but still people feel they need to state this *shrug* Aug 07 16:36:58 I enjoy black butts, butts in my face, butts which haven't been wiped, black dongs in my rectum, big sweaty black balls in my mouth, thick black dongs slapped across my face. I enjoy pressing my face into asses and sniffing them. I can take 2 cocks in my asshole and 3 in my mouth. I lick cocks and butts. I shake my ass in front of people's face before they fuck it hard. I wear a cock ring and enjoy letting people chain me up a Aug 07 16:37:24 the only solution is to go up there with your katana and show them who wears the kimono in your dojo iqD2XCpj Aug 07 16:37:38 DocScrutinizer, Stskeeps, MohammadAG51, wtb kickban Aug 07 16:37:41 tT4mHVxjHvP5UJ, you spent time typing that carefully and c&p and it STILL cropped and had typos? Aug 07 16:37:41 Russel Simmons is truely a hero amongst us. He owns his own music label, shoe company, and even a clothing line, rightfully named PHAT FARM! The clothes are hand stitched together by hundreds of obese naked women sitting in tubs of sperm. Their only form of payment is cunnilingus performed by farm animals, hence the clothing name! Simmons is a brilliant man! mjN0kpJ9nb Aug 07 16:37:45 My hole day in skateboarding is just wake up when ever you feel like it eat then go meet a few friends skate chill skate get something to eat then skate chill run from the pigs and skate then go to sleep about 4 or 5 in the morning. 0F0Uy9WTSe3K Aug 07 16:38:46 Does anyone remember that commercial on TV where the kids would drink Yoohoo or some other beverage out of one of those juice boxes with the red and white striped straw? They would get sucked into the box and have on giant party. I always thought that if I sucked hard enough I would get to go there and party. yuGY04GBbfZ Aug 07 16:38:50 listen you fucking shit skinned coon nigger jungle bunny spear chucker. Shut your chocolate tar baby hide before I whip your ass. go back to niggeria and prance around with all the Schvartza in the bush you fucking moolie nigger. ill fucking brand you toby, and if you try any of that KUNTA KINTA crap ill fucking execute you and feed you to pigs. nmmxMOXz6WW55a Aug 07 16:38:52 I'm usually at the club on Sunday night, and they will have Adult Swim playing on the TVs behind the bar. Having Boo-Boo Runs Wild on at the exact time every Sunday gives me a good visual clue that the night is starting to run its course, and that I should make it my last round so that I'll be sober enough to drive. (So I can get home and watch the night's lineup as I taped it.) lcRPWBX6tsp Aug 07 16:38:54 It appears as though Robert Hanssen, the American FBI agent accused of selling American secrets to the Russians, was a registered Linux user!!! This is further evidence, as if any more was needed, that Linux and communism are inseperable, and that anyone using Linux is supporting the communist murder of millions! NGNMCf2F Aug 07 16:38:56 While many parents are digging deep and forgoing luxuries in order to buy their children the newest videogame console, I've decided to build my own interactive entertainment device for my children. It's a desk with a copy of the holy bible on it. I call it the "Praystation 3" qShqY Aug 07 16:38:57 i get the feeling this is a concerted attack Aug 07 16:38:57 go back to tabulating your ultimate apple dream machine on apple.com then playing snes all night SQAu90akbuZBOo Aug 07 16:39:00 Gentlemen, I am pleased to announce the following: My testicles and penis are larger than the average size by a considerable degree, which women find very attractive. I also possess a great deal of wealth, including sports cars, real estate, works of art, and extensive liquid assets, which are also very desirable to women. In short, your genotype has no chance to survive. That is all. O50TTXYPVu Aug 07 16:39:04 dude...listen...pretty much evry one hate him and microsoft, sure he's given us some computer crap who cares, its all crap, i hate windows so much, its the crapyest piece of shit ever, i want linux! vHAVmzp Aug 07 16:39:04 If Microsoft gets rid of that millions lines of spaghetti code in Windows XP (expect the same in Longhorn 2006 & Blackcomb 2112) and comes up with a brand new efficient system that equals the Apple, Apple can finally be laid to rest. After all Microsoft is the standard, like the Qwerty keyboard. You are going to have to live with Microsoft and those millions of lines of spaghetti code for some years to come. LDaP1kF Aug 07 16:39:04 Before I dropped out of college, I strove to be as different from everyone else as I could be, reading manga and blasting JPOP music in my car. NgEtcLGh Aug 07 16:39:04 I eat exclusively from the following list of 12 foods: Almonds/nuts, Berries, Oats/whole grain cereal, vegetables (especially green leafy), Beans and Legumes, Nonfat Dairy products, Eggs, Lean Meats (especially turkey), peanut butter, olive oil, Whey protein, and Whole Grain Bread (which falls under oats/cereals). My colon is immaculate, and my bowel movements are enormous, dense, and dry as a biscuit. wzJ93V0e Aug 07 16:39:05 girl you must be the recently cancelled television show "enterprise" because no matter how many fat sweaty nerds profess their love for you, you are still just a piece of shit whore that no respectable man would allow himself to be seen in public with glSV1aUe Aug 07 16:39:07 girl you must be ghonorrea because you're totally eating my nuts bdfkPb1uAD Aug 07 16:39:10 I work at a University IT helpdesk, and after far too many malware problems from far too many dumb lusers (and many of them repeat visits), I've adopted a new policy.If a student or member of faculty comes in with malware problems for the first time, I fix it for them and I give them a Gentoo Linux install CD to go away with. If they come back with viruses/spyware a second time, I tell the luser to stop bothering me, and that I Aug 07 16:39:11 hey everyone remember that one time when klerck shot himself directly in the face with a shotgun and killed himself and we all were like "whoa" and he was like "drip drip"... that shit was awesome TZ1ns76XrWTX5 Aug 07 16:39:13 OPS!! Aug 07 16:39:14 The relationship between gamer and game is much unlike the relationship between needle and record-groove (that is to say, the needle loves the record groove and vice-versa, so says Tamio Okuda); the game has to love the player even when the player hates the game. 7Db9VJBvvl Aug 07 16:39:15 LAWL I ONCE HEARD AN AOL COMMERCIAL THAT SAID "AOL IS GOOD" AND I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF AND I LITERALLY PISSED AND SHAT MY PANTS SIMULTANEOUSLY AND THEN I THREW UP IN MY MOUTH A LITTLE AND IT WAS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD OH MY GOD THAT WAS FUNNY JJbnXj4GvvnRH Aug 07 16:39:15 i need dank nugs, smoke roach bugs, bird-man lugs, tree smokin thugs, i'm on a mission to secure a blunt, don't be pullin no bogartin' stunt, hoardin that shit ain't really kind, absorb that herb into yo mind, smokin' and tokin' until you're blind, what out for 5-0 or you gonna get fined jj61UwpfSBsoZ Aug 07 16:39:17 I got a 5+ on all 23 of my AP tests, a 2400 on the SAT, a 1337 on the ACT, but it's not a big deal since I have a 270 IQ. I was drunk, high, and getting a blowjob during every test, and I didn't study for any of them or sleep in the prior weeks. aRB6D Aug 07 16:39:17 I'm going to be taking a long vacation in a couple months and I want to take a sheet of acid over with me. I'd really rather not bring it with me on the plane as I've seen the security measures at the airport I'll be flying to and they're pretty strict, so I was thinking of faxing it over before hand. Anyone know if this would work? flQ3Fcz Aug 07 16:39:18 Y'ALL HURD ABOUT DA HEERRIKANE? YO KATRINA WAS CAUZED BY WMDs YA HEARD? DAS RITE YO. WEAPONS OF METEORLOGICAL DESTRUCTION. DA INSURGENTS ND DA TALIBAN R BEHIND ALL DIS. ND FEMA IS RACIZICALIST TOO. BUSH DON'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEEPLE. rRFT1zmN Aug 07 16:39:19 XTC RAVEZ CANDY VISORZ WATER BOTTLEZ LOVE PEACE TRIPLE STACKED PAUL OAKENFOLD PLUR GLOWSTIX LOCKJAW PACIFIARS TURNTABLES PLUR EX STROBE LIGHTS LASER SHOW UNDERGROUND RAVE RAVE RAVE XXX FUCK FUCK FUCK LOVE EVERY1 KANDY BRACELETZ ACID WEED POT DRUG DRUG DRUG SPESHAL K TRANKWILIZER EXXXSTASY COLORS UNDERGROUND RAVE MUZIK XTC DANCE ALL NITE FUCK THE PARENTZ DEYHDRATION HUGE PANTS BODY PAINT PLUR PLUR PLUR LOCKJAW GLOW STIX VISOR UNDE Aug 07 16:39:20 there is no such thing as hardcore gaming, anymore then there is anything extreme about mountain dew livewire v41Gbv Aug 07 16:39:21 you walk in( the door will be open for you) you come to my bedrom where porn will be playing.......you begin to suck this big black dick...no damn small talk...just walk in and start sucking........i cum on your face and then you can leave or then when can have small talk.....be ready.....i dont want a lot of emails back and forth..just let me know if your ready for a address..... 7reQFTN Aug 07 16:39:23 The Flu Fuck: blow that snot into your hand. wipe it on your tongue oh man. crunchy crunch, the boogers go. Gulp! you swallow. Down they go. Uh-uh-uh here comes sneeze. Achoo! You're bent, hands on your knees. A prodding's felt, betwixt your cheeks. What the heck? It's a linux geek With cock unfurl'd, he rips your pants. Nothing can stop this fag's advance. In it goes, his cock doth plunge. Your memory will never ever expunge: th Aug 07 16:39:24 Honestly, I'd like to hear some commentary from someone who hasn't been caught trying to suck their own dick. 38GpR Aug 07 16:39:25 Face it, you just want an ipod so you can hack the firmware to make it vibrate then stick the smooth case up your ass you big FAG!!! ArW98DwVRBYLUT Aug 07 16:39:26 There is no doubt that white boys do play video games well. Having been run off the football field, basketball court, and track by more athletic black boys, white boys retreat to their computers and video games. Unfortunately, this only makes their unathletic bodies weaker, thus seriously harming their concept of masculinity and making them social outcasts with females. PvA2uO Aug 07 16:39:28 Guys, what I don't get about plane crashes and falling elevator deaths is: why don't the victims just time it so that they jump straight up in the air right before the plane hits the ground? The jump would be a little high, yes, and you might break your ankle or even your leg, but isn't that better than getting smashed to smithereens? leEMWg Aug 07 16:39:29 Go back to listening to your "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" book-on-tape in your 1989 Honda Accord on your 25 minute commute to your dead end job. gPLzLLD Aug 07 16:39:33 You should connect your graphics card directly to the mains. You can buy molex connectors from any good electronics store and then splice it into the lead from a hair dryer or toaster. This should deliver the correct voltage direct to your graphics card (the molex also functions as a voltage regulator and AC rectifier). It's the equivalent of having an Antex 3kW power supply. K2v9PFQOl Aug 07 16:39:49 wtf Aug 07 16:40:47 BLOGGABLES ??? THE BLOGOSPHERE ??? BLOGOMATIC ??? SIMULBLOGCAST ??? ECOBLOGS ??? METABLOGS ??? BLOGS OF BLOGS ??? MEDIABLOGS ??? CATABLOG ??? UBERBLOG ??? BLOGSERVATION ??? RADIOBLOGS ??? BLOGSPIRATION ??? BLOGDEX ??? BLOGDIGGER ??? BLOGLINES ??? BLOGPULSE ??? BLOGRUNNER ??? BLOGSNOW ??? BLOGWISE ??? BLOGBRITY ??? BLOGS OF BLOGS TALKING ABOUT BLOGGING BLOGS ??? l4snXAUG9dopjt Aug 07 16:40:50 If there is one thing that OSS has shown, it is that full time software teams do not produce better quality products than the amateurs (example: Linux v. windows) NGRd4r1tn Aug 07 16:41:01 Ok Im New To This I Posted One Picture Of Me On My Website And Now Im Trying To Post Another But All I Do Stay In The Log AndIt Says Uploading Picute May Take A Few Seconds Then I Check My Site And Nothing No Posts Or Anything Someone Please Help EqTMjSy Aug 07 16:41:07 I'm going to be taking a long vacation in a couple months and I want to take a sheet of acid over with me. I'd really rather not bring it with me on the plane as I've seen the security measures at the airport I'll be flying to and they're pretty strict, so I was thinking of faxing it over before hand. Anyone know if this would work? RU2nQvqxbtlFVE Aug 07 16:41:09 Gimp is perfectly usable. I know. I use it to add a mosaic over the faces of my many preteen rape victims. thlECr4m6g Aug 07 16:41:12 Anyone think jews are really hot? Especially rabbis! Those greasy curls send me wild.Sadly there's no jews in my region of the desert, so camels have to do. g6sLsYmpBs8Lu Aug 07 16:41:13 IF U R ON DIZ LIST, WTACH OUT!!! U R A MARKED MAN (OR WOMAN), I WILL HAV MY VENGEANCE ON U ALL!!! U SHALL FEEL MY WRATHLY WRATH, U SHALL RUE DA DAY U MADE AN N.A.ME OF DA MAD MATRIX HA><0R!!@#!$ SCtcLp3 Aug 07 16:41:15 Don't obscure the topic at hand with "facts". History has always been made through quick, instinctual choices. Intellect is nothing but a distraction when it comes to life shattering situations. Look at how it has defined our history. Do you think I am about to turn away from the legacy of generations before me? Alternative methods take longer, and never completely solve the problem. It is easier for the mass populace to attack a probl Aug 07 16:41:16 It is indeed a cruel twist of nature that the most wonderful sex coupling in the world ?is illegal - made so by puritanical Adults determined to limit child rights. KSkDguzCXtC Aug 07 16:41:17 asked in freenode chan for an oper to come help Aug 07 16:41:20 Dr. Huxtable broke into the clinic and held me at gunpoint. I was his patient, in for my yearly pap smear. I couldn't believe it when he came in the door for the exam with a machete in his hands. He demanded that I take off my clothes, and begin to fellate him. He waved the machete around like a madman, so i complied. I was forced, at knife point, to take his entire penis into my mouth. Then I rubbed my clit and got off ohh yeah Aug 07 16:41:20 ILYAZAYUZIN.......HAHAHAHA...FIRST OFF TELL ME WHERE IV'E BEEN PRAISING VANILLA ICE. SECONDLY STOP ACTING LIKE A RETARD INTERNET THUG AND GET OFF 2 PAC'S NUTSACK YOU 15 YEAR OLD WANNABE WANKSTA.GO LISTEN TO YOUR BONE THUGS AND HARMONY WHILE I STICK SOME 7L AND ESOTERIC ON YOU CHUMP!!!!!PEACE TO THE REAL UNDERGROUND HEADS! 7fCRts Aug 07 16:41:23 since blacks have bigger wangs... do black chicks have bigger holes? ieXJ81jT8 Aug 07 16:41:41 Ha Aug 07 16:42:07 fuckin hell Aug 07 16:42:11 yeah Aug 07 16:42:12 whoah... uhm, what the heck was that?! Ö.ö Aug 07 16:42:19 o.O Aug 07 16:42:24 bot attack to web gateway Aug 07 16:42:34 thanks DocScrutinizer for killing them ^^ Aug 07 16:43:03 ++ DocScrutinizer ta dude Aug 07 16:43:05 what is maemo? i saw you post in freeode, so i came here ( nothing bettwr to do) Aug 07 16:43:14 we're not thru yet with it, I fear Aug 07 16:43:37 sometimes i wish "SoIP" (Stab over IP) would be finally implemented into the internet protocols... Aug 07 16:43:44 punch, #maemo is the home of hackers and freespirits mucking around with Nokia N series linux devices N8x0 N900 etc) Aug 07 16:44:01 lcuk: don't forget n770 ;) Aug 07 16:44:08 Nokia 770 you mean Aug 07 16:44:09 :) Aug 07 16:44:21 oh ok :) Aug 07 16:44:27 oh, it isn't an N-device? :o Aug 07 16:44:36 predates N series I believe Aug 07 16:44:56 * DocScrutinizer sighs Aug 07 16:44:57 ^^ maemo is older than N XD Aug 07 16:45:06 yes Aug 07 16:45:35 should we try join throttle for #maemo? Aug 07 16:45:41 hm, is mencoder part of the mplayer-package? Aug 07 16:45:41 nahh Aug 07 16:45:50 or is that per user? Aug 07 16:46:03 DocScrutinizer, they came from different ips Aug 07 16:46:05 after googling, um, the iphone so ripped off this nokia (well, sorta) Aug 07 16:46:06 nope that's punch, for the longest time the maemo devices were not phones Aug 07 16:46:31 punch: hm, in which way "ripped off"? Aug 07 16:46:41 mikki-kun: tiny little net device...lol Aug 07 16:46:54 Has anyone here successfully compiled PyPy for Maemo 4? Aug 07 16:46:58 w/ a toucscree Aug 07 16:47:00 ifoo seems to have security issues, pdf reader running as root... Aug 07 16:48:51 Well, what else is open? Besides your mouth...when you're like kissing on some gay dude and like holding his muscles, cuz his arms just are like wrapped around you...and you feel like so safe cuz you're like, you know, not like you're gay or nothin' but God you just want to like bury yourself in his chest and just live there forever. M5PSFTKrZquw2 Aug 07 16:48:53 I thought gmail was, like, gangsta mail. I signed up expecting to get g'd up with bitches, gangstas and guns but it's just an email service. WMWPkFG Aug 07 16:48:56 NO I SAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE SMALL DICKS COS YOU DO BUTT MUNCH YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A NAME YOU SAD FUCK PISS OFF NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE ON THE PLACE OR IN THE WORLD YOU FUCKING JEW NERD HITLER SHOULD HAVE KILLED YOU FUCKING ASS YEARS AGO AND THE REASON YOUR PISSED OFF IS COS THE TRUTH HURTS YOU WHY DONT YOU GO BACK TO WEARING A PINK DRESS AND BEING FUCKED BY YOUR UNCLE YOU LIITLE DRAG QUEEN GO TAKE YOUR FAGGOT SELF AND JUMP OFF Aug 07 16:48:58 there is a gay guy in my office, and he referred to hemmrhoids as speedbumps dUrqs3CMuVj8 Aug 07 16:48:59 DocScrutinizer, again ;-) Aug 07 16:49:00 Some say that I am the king of trolls. Of course, this is ridiculous because trolls have no king and accept no authority. zqNCGGBOEBa1XO Aug 07 16:49:01 I've gone and done it again. After shitting on the toilet seat I took a dab of crap and worked it into my hair. Now my bald spot is a uniform brown along with the rest of my hair. I mussed up my hair enough for it to look plausible. I'm back in the conference room now and no one is willing to meet my gaze. I have to clench my stomach to keep from vomiting. My penis throbs with an intense erection. Bxk6A1fyKcLyg6 Aug 07 16:49:04 Please help me before I fry in the pits of hell. I masterbate several times a day. My parents bought me the anti-erection ring and I deal with the pain just to have that orgasm. I want to be castrated but my parents tell me I am to old. They say that at 14 years old i will not be able to handle being castrated. But they are wrong. FNPLMAhdnAz Aug 07 16:49:05 why dont you install a real OS and make some room in your head using the space you have to devote to remembering the 100000 ways to parse a text file in linux (with zero ways to get any actual work done) MijZyblh Aug 07 16:49:08 one time i killed this hippie and scraped the resin off his lungs and i died of a weed overdose 7pzSRSnCXcCV Aug 07 16:49:08 Watermelon represents the ripe breasts of white women which the negro wishes to rape, while the green color represents the money he wishes to steal. The dark bands on the melon represent the bars of a jail cell, the negro's ultimate destination. llfnt5Uyk2 Aug 07 16:49:12 Linux is illegal! You are breaking the law, and hurting yourself and your family with your ILLEGAL SOFTWARE. Your ip has been noted and is being forwarded to the SPA with a reccomendation that they investigate your CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. Please destroy all your unpatriotic linux software before you are arrested! 4kzE61Nv2im Aug 07 16:49:13 concerted efforts underway Aug 07 16:49:15 Once, when i was changing my little brother's diaper, i jacked him off. I don't know what drove me to do it, but I did. now i can't stop thinking about his little penis. I think i want him to grow up and fuck me. FLxTEGW Aug 07 16:50:12 i think it's the best to just leave that ban for web.freenode active for at least a day... Aug 07 16:50:13 :S :( Aug 07 16:50:15 i just took a shit and my toilet didn't really flush, i got pretty frustrated and now im going to masturbate to internet porn galleries. Good day to you. FgAwwi4QQzx Aug 07 16:50:20 ill just leave, bbl Aug 07 16:50:21 hi my names jimmy and im 13 and the other day i was playing with myself while watching showcase and i realised i couldnt quite reach my fireman with my mouth. so what i did was i took a small straw and shoved it down my urethra. and i started to blow really hard.. now i have a small bubble like figure on the side of my fireman.. could this be from blowing into the straw??? YFDS6E8Ww Aug 07 16:50:25 ASIANS FUCKING SUCK THERE EVERY WHERE DOWN IN SYDNEY FUCKING OVEL EYED GOOKS. WENT DOWN TO CHINA TOWN 2 WEEKS AGO BASHED A COUPLE OF THE DICKHEADS.THE PROBLEM IS THEY BREED LIKE RABBITS THEY JUST GO ROUND FUCKING, SPITTING OUT BABYS AND SPREADING THEIR CHICKEN FLU AROUND DAMN FILTHY ASIANS. 88 HAIL HITLER SKINHEADS FOREVER HNMsYxlLuEO Aug 07 16:50:25 MMMM........mmmm i'm abit confusing right now......why will they eat their own poo-poo where it smell so terrible? Actually, mushu is very good in her toilet training. She'll only pee & poo on the newspaper i prepared for her. But she eats it when i'm away! After i beat her twice, she seems to bark at the poo first before she goes near it. Then she'll smell it & play with it. Then she'll put everything into her mouth!!!!! Yucks!!! Aug 07 16:50:29 listen you fucking shit skinned coon nigger jungle bunny spear chucker. Shut your chocolate tar baby hide before I whip your ass. go back to niggeria and prance around with all the Schvartza in the bush you fucking moolie nigger. ill fucking brand you toby, and if you try any of that KUNTA KINTA crap ill fucking execute you and feed you to pigs. tglyLEQlx4 Aug 07 16:50:31 Computers affect almost every aspect of our lives, from driving to alarm clocks to music to refridgerators to our leisure time to our social lives to ad nauseum. These things are intertwined with our lives in ways that are often unnoticed, yet they affect us directly - so directly that I think that when we are talking about the latest Mac product, we're not talking about a "product" but about a way of life. Uhe4ff Aug 07 16:50:35 A note to the idiot who keeps sending me anonymous emails claiming to have "f*cked" my mother: 1) Do you really think i don't have your IP address and have a relatively good idea of who you are? 2) Do you really think I care about your weird sexual fantasies? 3) Have you even SEEN my mother? HAHAHA 4) Keep it up. The messages are being logged, stored and passed on to the relevant authorities and, of course, your ISP... 5) I know wh Aug 07 16:51:10 Thank you for giving me a glimpse into the wonderfully vivid and imaginative world that you occupy. I feel...honored...to say the least. Words can not express my gratitude that you would grant upon us put a peephole into the glorious universe that you are so priviledged to occupy from 9-5 every single weekday. I am envious but I know it is because God has favored you above me...you are TRULY worthy. 69UVcpeP8Uxfj Aug 07 16:51:53 you don't understand,you don't realise that the internet is a form of communicating and it's just as serious as talking in person or on a phone. Stop with the bullshit. eummhUbUwi Aug 07 16:51:57 randomd's songs: Niggers Niggers, our dark skinned friends. If they're not out working, they'll rape your girlfriend! For jail's their domain, they're society's bane-- Let's hear it for our friend the Nigger! Linux, linux, it's free as in beer. But if you installed it, you're a goddamn queer! To clear up your pimples, the solutions quite simple-- Just take a bath and use a face wash! Jews, jews, their noses are long. They've got t Aug 07 16:51:59 If your daughter listens to hip hop music, you should caution her against taking MDMA, commonly known as ecstasy if she plans to go to hip hop concerts or hip hop clubs. As everyone knows, when you add E to rap, you get RAPE. nRLJ26aZbhOTh5 Aug 07 16:52:03 fsck Aug 07 16:52:31 kloeri: ping! Aug 07 16:53:10 hi Aug 07 16:53:17 hi Aug 07 16:53:23 i'm having problems connecting to wifi Aug 07 16:53:23 btw, where does the "q" derive from? Aug 07 16:53:34 quiet? ;D Aug 07 16:53:35 err? Aug 07 16:53:40 it says cannot receive ip from server Aug 07 16:53:49 on the n900 Aug 07 16:54:36 i've tried all types of security , even withouth security but it wont connect to wifi on my router Aug 07 16:55:10 :( Aug 07 16:55:45 what the hell is going on :D Aug 07 16:56:44 i'm on 802.11B/G network Aug 07 16:57:09 hm, maybe your IP-address pool is out of IP-addresses Aug 07 16:57:22 and what about mac-filtering? enabled? Aug 07 16:57:42 mac filering is enabled i think Aug 07 16:57:50 i added my mobiles Wifi mac address to it also Aug 07 16:57:54 but it still wont work Aug 07 16:58:08 i white listed my N900's WiFi mac address Aug 07 16:58:32 hm, you're sure you didn't accidently take the bluetooth's mac? Aug 07 16:58:58 no i didn't Aug 07 16:58:59 i'm sure Aug 07 16:59:11 it happened to me that i kinda mixed up bt and wifi ^^' Aug 07 16:59:23 i checked it 3-4 times now Aug 07 16:59:26 its correct Aug 07 16:59:56 hm... ok... and even without any kind of password it didn't work? Aug 07 17:00:09 yes it dosent Aug 07 17:00:17 GAN900: ping? Aug 07 17:00:23 without setting encryption for WiFi , it says : Network error Aug 07 17:00:36 or else it says Cannot recieve IP address from server with password Aug 07 17:00:44 MohammadAG51: ping Aug 07 17:01:00 lcukn900: +o? Aug 07 17:01:45 you don't understand,you don't realise that the internet is a form of communicating and it's just as serious as talking in person or on a phone. Stop with the bullshit. fqml2puxc Aug 07 17:01:49 meh, dinner. ping me frequently if shit hits the fan Aug 07 17:01:51 Did you know? Timothy McVeigh conspired with Terry Nichols to destroy the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building by exchanging messages using the popular "Bit Torrent" internet program, which quickly and anonymously allows users to exchange large volumes of confidential documents. 5nToqmh81hd Aug 07 17:01:58 I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. OTuHYQulyW Aug 07 17:02:01 I bet you think you're actually amusing. You were giggling to yourself as you typed that line out, and are eagerly staring at your screen hoping that someone will give you a zany quip in reply. Go on, you can laugh. It's okay. Just remember that you're the only one who thought that comment was in any way entertaining. gTFWbX9XR Aug 07 17:02:02 Rory touched my virgin junk liberally. He strapped me into his Trans Am and told me we were taking a detour on the way back from the prom. I could not believe what the fuck was going on. He vomited red many times as he had been drinking heavily. I told him the athletic staff would not approve of the star quarterback falling asleep inside an underage girl. There it is. My dad found us at makeout ridge. I've got to go. 25wh0GRLH Aug 07 17:02:04 guys do you know when tupac is coming home? Im worried about him. He wears a bulletproof vest so he usually is safe. but i made supper for him and he hasnt come home yet! his potatoes and shake n baked chicken are starting to get cold! gmFk84FciC Aug 07 17:02:06 Nigerians make me so mad I wish someone would round them all up and send them to a country where people starve and get gunned down in the street 5NKBJ1yzk Aug 07 17:02:08 Nigger? So you think you are superior not only because you're white! it's because you read! ha! I didn't know they were people like you in this website, and I hope you learn more about our people, because I'm very ofended now. Racism is illegal, you know? if they were enough technologies to know who is behind that "anonymus", no doubt you would be behind bars now! Please respect others, even if they don't like reading like you do. Aug 07 17:02:11 DocScrutinizer, shit hit the fan :p Aug 07 17:02:14 I'm gambling that Apple is expecting to keep profit margins up by keeping return/repair rates extremely low by using quality components XQ7vWfi71VmP Aug 07 17:02:18 fusck! Aug 07 17:02:20 Doesn't matter. Once the US housing bubble collapses there will be a total economic collapse. Companies like Netflix and Amazon will go bankrupt as Americans just try to save enough for food Hpl8T Aug 07 17:02:51 just leave the quiet on for a while Aug 07 17:03:00 anyone gonna help me with my WiFi connection issue ? Aug 07 17:03:06 wonder what's wrong with the ~a Aug 07 17:03:40 aaarghh Aug 07 17:04:44 xDaReaperx: w hats up with your wifi Aug 07 17:05:06 > it says cannot receive ip from server Aug 07 17:05:33 tried all securities , even without security password , added MAC filter to white list my WiFi Mac address for my N900 Aug 07 17:05:37 still no idea Aug 07 17:05:47 xDaReaperx: i am a lil out of ideas tbh... Aug 07 17:06:23 xDaReaperx: Can you try another access point? Aug 07 17:06:44 I had a similar issue at home with a Nexus One, that crap of a phone. Aug 07 17:07:18 Gave up, since it wasn't mine anyway. Aug 07 17:07:24 well yeah , i can connect to my old access point in another country , but i moved to another place now , so there's no other access points here ATM Aug 07 17:07:31 this issue was also happening with other WiFi Aug 07 17:07:38 DocScrutinizer, at work, can't play officer on watch. :P Aug 07 17:07:40 even when i first bought the phone Aug 07 17:07:46 GAN900: k Aug 07 17:09:05 xDaReaperx: maybe your wifi could be in some way broken Aug 07 17:09:25 do you mean my Mobiles WiFi detector ? Aug 07 17:09:28 or my WiFi modem ? Aug 07 17:09:40 the n900's wifi Aug 07 17:09:44 any other volunteers? please /query me Aug 07 17:09:47 if you even had the issue before Aug 07 17:09:50 does that ever happen ? Aug 07 17:10:15 * RST38h moos woefully Aug 07 17:10:34 if my N900's wifi was broken , how does it still detect WiFi points ? Aug 07 17:10:42 well, sometimes a contact so isn't really working... once it happened that my wifi of my netbook turned itself off from the bios-level while i was just using it Ö.ö no idea why that happened Aug 07 17:10:46 Haven't heard of it happening to anyone but anything is possible Aug 07 17:10:56 WTF with all these headhunters wanting to stay in touch via LinkedIn? Aug 07 17:11:09 hmm ok Aug 07 17:11:22 maybe search for some open hotspots Aug 07 17:11:24 RST38h: Yeah, tell me about it :P Aug 07 17:11:25 i have some way to prove my wifi is borken or not Aug 07 17:11:30 ask some friends or comrades Aug 07 17:11:31 i can create a hotspot using my laptop Aug 07 17:11:37 You could also try reflashing if you don't want to take it straight to the service. Aug 07 17:11:38 on Windows Aug 07 17:11:41 using broadband Aug 07 17:11:44 * DocScrutinizer headunters RST38h Aug 07 17:11:52 MiXu: Are they any useful? Aug 07 17:11:55 Yeah, try that. Aug 07 17:11:58 MiXu-: good idea, could help :) Aug 07 17:12:06 like a ad-hoc network Aug 07 17:12:12 * RST38h thanks for the op, may come handy one time or the other Aug 07 17:12:18 RST38h: Haven't been in contact to any, since I'm not interested in changing jobs at the moment :) Aug 07 17:12:33 Just started 3 months ago in my current one Aug 07 17:12:44 im not getting headhunted on linkedin, bah! ;) Aug 07 17:12:51 MiXu: Well, I am always looking for better opportunities, but NYC financial district isn't my idea of a healthy workplace Aug 07 17:12:58 otoh im v. happy where i am :p Aug 07 17:13:06 :) Aug 07 17:13:24 RST38h: hehe Aug 07 17:13:53 Since I stated that I'm a MeeGo professional I've received a few emails from headhunters Aug 07 17:14:07 Ah, and a professional group invitation: This is a group dedicated to IBM APL2,COBOL,Cognos,FORTRAN,MAS,ADA,XL Series,Hour Glass,Rational HATS,Visual Age,Websphere,Rational Dashboard,Systems Tester,TTCN Suite, professionals globally. Aug 07 17:14:15 WHAT? THE? FUCK? Aug 07 17:14:38 rational hats? Aug 07 17:14:51 * RST38h unconsciously makes strangling gestures every time he hears of Rational Aug 07 17:15:19 Irrational hats Aug 07 17:15:37 Not my favorite either :) Aug 07 17:16:27 The first two apps that come to mind when talking about IBM are Lotus Notes and Rational whatever. And I hate them both :) Aug 07 17:16:45 * RST38h has been spared from having to use Lotus Notes Aug 07 17:16:56 I even had the misfortune of developing stuff on Notes. Aug 07 17:22:42 anybody still alive? Aug 07 17:22:46 ~ping Aug 07 17:22:47 ~pong Aug 07 17:23:15 i am Aug 07 17:23:24 ok Aug 07 17:23:28 :-) Aug 07 17:23:30 Hello Aug 07 17:23:31 kill all humans Aug 07 17:23:42 lol Aug 07 17:23:43 kill all bots Aug 07 17:23:55 esp spambots Aug 07 17:24:02 :-( Aug 07 17:24:05 wait by any ways how can your mobiles WiFi break ? Aug 07 17:24:15 lol, comeon, you love them Aug 07 17:24:20 heh Aug 07 17:24:45 I want to show a message during package install. Is there any wiki/guide anywhere for that? Aug 07 17:25:52 Mixu: Was a Notes Developer myself :) Small world I guess Aug 07 17:26:27 Scifi: dbus notify Aug 07 17:26:56 I need OK or Done button Aug 07 17:27:12 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Aug 07 17:27:45 Scifi: zentiy Aug 07 17:27:47 dbus yesno? Aug 07 17:27:49 zentiy Aug 07 17:27:49 * RST38h wonders once again if he should take a look at the cell writer package Aug 07 17:27:51 zenity Aug 07 17:28:33 zenity no base pkg afaik Aug 07 17:28:44 mikki-kun : tried the ad-hoc network without security , it works fine and my n900 connects to it and i can browse Aug 07 17:28:46 DocScrutinizer: I used Maemo style banners with dbus notify but not sure abt dialog box. Aug 07 17:28:58 SpeedEvil: Will check zenity Aug 07 17:29:27 hm, then it is most probably a problem with your router i assume Aug 07 17:30:26 Af'noon all Aug 07 17:31:27 Afternoon. Aug 07 17:31:54 http://www.brewdog.com/uploaded_images/brewdog_taxidermy211_534.jpg Aug 07 17:32:59 Strongest beer in the world Aug 07 17:33:20 * SpeedEvil is reminded of http://www.instructables.com/id/Mouse-Mouse!/ Aug 07 17:33:21 They only made like 20 of those Aug 07 17:35:30 guys, how does N900 respond to dns request. My N900 over wifi is not resolving dns anymore Aug 07 17:35:59 The /etc/resolv.conf contains 127.0.0.1. Strangely, dns works in 3g Aug 07 17:36:51 have you changed the AP settings in N900? Aug 07 17:36:54 trumee: 127001 correct Aug 07 17:36:59 There's a place for you to put in a DNS server address Aug 07 17:37:06 If it's empty it uses whatever the router provides Aug 07 17:37:21 MiXu-: no i havent changed the AP settings Aug 07 17:37:39 how about router settings? Aug 07 17:38:10 MiXu-: havent touched the router. and i have already powercycled the router Aug 07 17:38:13 Double check those Aug 07 17:38:27 MiXu-: N900 has Auto-retrieve DNS set Aug 07 17:38:33 Hi Aug 07 17:40:03 * lcuk peeks out from behind the sofa Aug 07 17:40:20 DocScrutinizer, done any more than one learning cycle on your phone? Aug 07 17:40:46 i have changed the DNS to 8.8.8.8 (google) Aug 07 17:41:02 and now ping www.google.com hangs Aug 07 17:41:16 ok, it gave bad address Aug 07 17:43:03 ah, now it works Aug 07 17:43:21 somehow the route -n had the wrong ip address Aug 07 17:46:28 trumee: 8.8.8.8 ??? :-o You're nuts Aug 07 17:46:42 DocScrutinizer: why? Aug 07 17:47:08 trumee: google is storing ALL your moves in web then Aug 07 17:47:46 DocScrutinizer: well, it was a quick check. and now i am back to my isp dns Aug 07 17:48:01 aah Aug 07 17:48:18 on planet.gnome.org jono bacons avatar looks like he is taking a dump Aug 07 17:48:32 am i the only one to notice this? Aug 07 17:48:46 lcuk: Perhaps he segfaulted Aug 07 17:48:56 bacon?? Aug 07 17:49:01 trumee: you want your ISP to track you? Aug 07 17:49:36 DocScrutinizer, yes Aug 07 17:50:00 I got a prety good idea WHY you noticed that Aug 07 17:50:23 lcuk: is that pathological? Aug 07 17:50:25 luke-jr: so i shoud run my own dns server!! Aug 07 17:50:33 that fixation on bacon I mean Aug 07 17:50:44 :-P Aug 07 17:50:46 DocScrutinizer, nahh coincidence Aug 07 17:50:57 hahaha Aug 07 17:51:00 but bacon does sound good, i might go and get some Aug 07 17:52:16 DocScrutinizer, you made lcukn900 an op o_O Aug 07 17:52:22 i didn't even know it was in here Aug 07 17:52:37 * lcuk finds his n900 Aug 07 17:54:12 would be more sensible if required Aug 07 17:54:22 yup Aug 07 17:54:34 seems to have quietened down though? Aug 07 17:55:01 +q did it, it seems - though no more chan joins even Aug 07 17:55:55 maybe those bots are so smart to detect +q? Aug 07 17:56:26 skiddies bahhh! Aug 07 17:56:28 nahh but their botmaster may well be idling Aug 07 17:58:48 DocScrutinizer: I am going with Dbus Notification SystemNoteDialog to display the message. Doesn't look great but works. Aug 07 17:59:10 Scifi: mhm :) Aug 07 18:00:19 anybody with a more text oriented irc client could please check for me how many regular users from gateway/web (=cloak*) are in here? Aug 07 18:00:37 SpeedEvil: Don't want to install an extra package (zenity) for a one-time message. But it definitely is very useful Aug 07 18:00:38 DocScrutinizer, how would it be checked? Aug 07 18:00:43 Thanks everyone Aug 07 18:01:06 list-users|grep gateway/web ? Aug 07 18:01:45 Scifi: welcome Aug 07 18:01:48 DocScrutinizer, ok list-users? thats not a direct command is it - I have xchat so don't see stuff like that? Aug 07 18:02:20 DocScrutinizer so you want basically a userlist with all their IPs? Aug 07 18:02:24 I got xchat as well, but wouldn't see how to do it at all without xchat script Aug 07 18:02:33 Scifi: fair enough - it's a teeny package - but... Aug 07 18:02:44 mikki-kun: a simple number of users fine for now Aug 07 18:03:12 well, i have a nicklist here... i could copy/paste it to pastebin Aug 07 18:03:22 fine with me Aug 07 18:03:34 if it has cloaks Aug 07 18:03:46 aka hostnames Aug 07 18:03:57 aka IP Aug 07 18:04:51 hm, i'll look deeper into irssi to see whether it has that implemented with the command Aug 07 18:06:17 a shame Konversation doesn't support highlighting users in userlist by mask (=regex) Aug 07 18:07:18 i think i can get a list... but i am not sure if that is really the correct way so please bear with me when something goes wrong ^^''' Aug 07 18:07:36 no worries - lol Aug 07 18:08:11 what could go wrong after all? Aug 07 18:08:25 * SpeedEvil watches as freenode catches fire. Aug 07 18:08:28 ok, i think i have a full list ^^ how should i send it? Aug 07 18:08:37 pastebin? Aug 07 18:08:39 is it possible to fix the color issue in the x terminal on n900? I have to use a purple background right now if I want to be able to use irssi with theme I'm using.. Aug 07 18:09:01 hihihihi Aug 07 18:09:24 hanah montana xterm Aug 07 18:09:48 DocScrutinizer: Let me guess. Does Perez Hilton try to catch it with its private interface exposed? Aug 07 18:10:03 DocScrutinizer: :) Aug 07 18:10:34 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2559711/pics/Screenshot-20100709-203033.png Aug 07 18:10:35 Poka64, are youby chance using the hannah montana theme? Aug 07 18:10:42 no Aug 07 18:10:55 screensaver? Aug 07 18:10:57 hm, meh, it need to save the log... brb Aug 07 18:12:00 DocScrutinizer, to technically get some raw states, grep logs for "*(*) has joined #maemo" Aug 07 18:12:03 its not perfect Aug 07 18:12:20 but at least should give you the numbers you need Aug 07 18:12:28 feasible, but ugly Aug 07 18:12:28 raw stats even Aug 07 18:12:31 sure Aug 07 18:13:08 I'm a lazy dog Aug 07 18:13:46 still gasping from shock with those bots :-D Aug 07 18:14:41 yeah werent nice Aug 07 18:21:50 OK. So, I've mounted four 512MB swap files on my micro-SD card to give me enough virtual RAM to compile PyPy on my N810 because the Scratchbox toolchain keeps segfaulting (QEMU doesn't like me, I guess). Let's see if it finishes compiling before December. Aug 07 18:22:10 meh... how does it log that thing to a file? Ö.ö Aug 07 18:23:54 seems somebody killed that way >.< meh, but i have the list... will copy paste it by hand then... Aug 07 18:28:06 spinningcompass: take the developer their 12 core and 64gb ram rig away, than they are forced to write better and more resource friendly software Aug 07 18:28:54 spinningcompass: consider looking into building it for armv5 meego instead Aug 07 18:29:12 qemu's newer, toolchain saner.. Aug 07 18:29:13 :P Aug 07 18:30:25 Stskeeps: Thank you for that. Would you know off-hand whether or not the binaries generated by meego's armv5 toolchain are backwards-compatible with earlier versions of the ARM CPU? Aug 07 18:30:39 Then again, Google is my bestest buddy. :) Aug 07 18:32:39 this is why I have to use purple background in the x terminal. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=719761&postcount=7 Aug 07 18:34:34 spinningcompass: n810 is armv6+vfp :) Aug 07 18:34:42 spinningcompass: part of the pypy team? Aug 07 18:37:04 a friendly notice by your equally friendly chanop: Aug 07 18:37:05 [2010-08-07 20:31:14] DocScrutinizer: you probably don't need mode changes now as we've modified the web gateway to require a captcha before allowing connections Aug 07 18:37:07 [2010-08-07 20:32:06] haha, two days ago I've been told here my suggestion to use captcha won't fly - well nice tto hear id actually did nevertheless Aug 07 18:37:08 [2010-08-07 20:32:37] DocScrutinizer: not sure who told you that, but it wasn't someone that knew it was being looked into clearly :) Aug 07 18:40:30 let's see when the fun again starts ^^ Aug 07 18:45:17 well, *IF* 'fun' starts again, then a quick /mode #maemo +q *!*@gateway/web/freenode* should do Aug 07 18:45:29 by any of the chanops Aug 07 18:46:01 roger! Aug 07 18:46:15 * lcuk is fighting an upset stomach tho Aug 07 18:46:39 * DocScrutinizer as well Aug 07 18:46:48 <_llll_> another way is channel mode +r (iirc) which requires people to register before joining Aug 07 18:46:48 time for dinner now Aug 07 18:47:08 lcuk: Get well soon Aug 07 18:47:18 _llll_, sure, but that always causes complications Aug 07 18:47:33 thanks spinningcompass Aug 07 18:47:59 i cant remember what I was going to do now Aug 07 18:48:11 <_llll_> dont like to be snobbish, but people that cant figure out how to identify usually arnt worth the effort Aug 07 18:48:12 I tihnk it was something related to liqbook Aug 07 18:48:58 _llll_, its not just the effort, I have 2 accounts here and only 1 is registered Aug 07 18:49:13 meh Aug 07 18:49:26 <_llll_> that one is identified... Aug 07 18:49:49 really! gosh how did I manage that I wonder Aug 07 18:50:01 it wasn't last time we banned them Aug 07 18:50:22 <_llll_> account : lcukn900 Aug 07 18:50:25 <_llll_> no idea! Aug 07 18:50:48 * lcuk shrugs Aug 07 18:51:12 * lcuk needs more coffee Aug 07 18:59:31 sorry got disconnected (neighbour probably messing up my router via WLAN) Aug 07 19:05:21 how come he can do that? Aug 07 19:06:27 he asked for account Aug 07 19:06:39 2h ago Aug 07 19:06:43 :-P Aug 07 19:07:05 winVista with butload of tryware Aug 07 19:16:07 you are brave :) Aug 07 19:16:49 * nox- wonders if the vista is already infected now and the malware messed with the router... Aug 07 19:17:00 lcukn900: /msg nickserv id lcuk ; /msg nickserv group Aug 07 19:17:46 the problem with +q $~a is it doesn't allow to change nick anymore, or somesuch Aug 07 19:18:22 oh yeah i have to leave several #s before being able to /nick after getting disconnected... Aug 07 19:18:22 nox-: Exactly what I thought Aug 07 19:19:06 hm, what is a very cpu-intensive task for maemo and the n900? wanna check if my limits i found out for my custom voltages are performing stable Aug 07 19:19:10 even experienced users go confused over that Aug 07 19:19:15 i hope you dont have windows boxen in your lan or else they may now be infected too... Aug 07 19:19:44 mikki-kun: while true; do :; done Aug 07 19:20:06 mikki-kun: don't do that as root! :-D Aug 07 19:20:15 :( Aug 07 19:20:16 hm, should i make a timer as well for that? Aug 07 19:20:31 so that it does that for 1 minute or so? Aug 07 19:20:50 you can just ^c it after a min Aug 07 19:20:54 nox-: redmond crap? *meeee*? Aug 07 19:21:05 DocScrutinizer, :) Aug 07 19:21:31 * nox- only has some VMs here but they usually are not running Aug 07 19:21:56 still i wouldnt want to let a possibly infected box in my lan... :) Aug 07 19:22:10 thanks :) i had once a couple of tasks ^C didn't kill Aug 07 19:22:25 got some winXP partition collecting dust, for extreme cases Aug 07 19:22:45 ah true that i have too Aug 07 19:22:59 but VMs are usually more useful Aug 07 19:23:34 usually when I really need that crap, then it's not working in a VM :-S Aug 07 19:23:41 heh Aug 07 19:23:58 so, i am running a flash-vid fullscreen while the "while true" things goes in the background.. Aug 07 19:24:05 like that MentorGraphics PADS :-O.'.. Aug 07 19:24:09 that should strech the poor cpu and the gpu as well Aug 07 19:24:36 yep Aug 07 19:24:52 mikki-kun, does flash use the gpu? Aug 07 19:25:08 hm... doesn't it? Aug 07 19:25:22 seems nobody but maybe timeless knows :-D Aug 07 19:25:23 i am asking you Aug 07 19:25:42 ahh, that was the vp8 thing... so it should be html5 and not adobe flash Aug 07 19:25:44 * lcuk needs to go walkabout but stomach hurting Aug 07 19:26:04 damn bwling chips or not enough coffee/drinks before going Aug 07 19:26:08 does the browser support html5? Aug 07 19:26:25 DocScrutinizer, do you know this? http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/malware_biz.pdf (bit dated now but still interesting...) Aug 07 19:26:25 lcuk: Kamillosan Aug 07 19:26:44 no, is it malware? :-P Aug 07 19:26:57 no its a talk Aug 07 19:27:04 (you know pdf can have virus) Aug 07 19:27:13 yeah i know :) Aug 07 19:27:22 and iphones run the pdf viewer as root... Aug 07 19:27:25 especially on i-products Aug 07 19:27:32 :) Aug 07 19:28:19 DocScrutinizer, nahh this is pre-migraine stuff I have Aug 07 19:28:24 would you think that jailbreaking a 2nd gen ipod would be good? Aug 07 19:28:25 but id say flash is worse than pdf in that regard Aug 07 19:28:45 i mean an ipod touch Aug 07 19:28:52 just curious cause my sis has one Aug 07 19:28:54 mikki-kun, getting maemo running on some pretty hardware would be nice Aug 07 19:29:23 * lcuk does some checking about resolution variance Aug 07 19:29:30 flash security talk: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3494.en.html Aug 07 19:29:36 http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/26C3/mp4/26c3-3494-de-defending_the_poor.mp4 Aug 07 19:29:40 hmm Aug 07 19:29:43 Aug 07 19:29:55 backupmenu worked for restoring rootfs for everyone, but failed for me Aug 07 19:30:06 it doesn't like you Aug 07 19:30:08 that is once again because you are special Aug 07 19:30:09 I don't like you Aug 07 19:30:13 you'd better watch yourself Aug 07 19:30:22 I have the death sentence on 5 systems Aug 07 19:30:28 umm Aug 07 19:30:30 MohammadAG: somebody had to reflash, clamed that "app" is completely borked Aug 07 19:30:48 DocScrutinizer, I see a green ball next to my name, and 4 others Aug 07 19:30:53 what's with that lol Aug 07 19:31:01 had a bot attack Aug 07 19:31:05 crapstorm earlier Aug 07 19:31:10 Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed! Aug 07 19:32:48 ERROR: Invalid UBI magic in block 39, page 0, hmm, same error that won DocScrutinizer a beer Aug 07 19:33:03 hehehe Aug 07 19:33:20 hm... so that software isn't working pretty well? Aug 07 19:33:46 it works, up to 40% then it just goes to 100% and fails Aug 07 19:33:58 seems is working only for special class of NAND (possibly the bad-block-free one) Aug 07 19:33:59 wuhu \o/ Aug 07 19:34:00 hmm, I wonder if using dd on /dev/mtd5 would work Aug 07 19:34:12 mtd5? Aug 07 19:34:24 where does that one come from? :o Aug 07 19:34:40 mtd5 = / Aug 07 19:34:48 la Aug 07 19:35:31 mikki-kun, cat /proc/mtd Aug 07 19:35:32 MohammadAG: probably works better that that flashing thing though Aug 07 19:35:49 frals? Aug 07 19:36:36 dealing with jffs2 / ubifs on a phy dev level is nasty every time Aug 07 19:37:53 how does flasher handle it then? Aug 07 19:37:58 though getting an error on flashing is rather strange - or what is it exactly this tool/app does when you get that magic block? Aug 07 19:38:24 btw, does the battery also have an impact of the systems stability when making the voltages tighter? Aug 07 19:38:38 mikki-kun: nope Aug 07 19:38:52 mikki-kun: if you're talking about core voltages Aug 07 19:39:07 DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/ciRCV9jR Aug 07 19:39:45 I hate how NOLO flashes the rootfs, not flasher Aug 07 19:40:16 ERROR: Invalid argument for 'cmt Aug 07 19:40:26 well that's clear enough no? Aug 07 19:40:36 i am talking bout those (at least i think ^^ - wouldn't make much sense if i'd affect other parts with changing the cpu's supply of power) Aug 07 19:40:47 tried --cmt-no-verify, it didn't help, as you can see Aug 07 19:40:58 MohammadAG: flasher has no way to flash the NAND directly Aug 07 19:42:26 mikki-kun: why would you want to do that (reduce the voltages)? Aug 07 19:43:19 it doesn't help at all for OC, and for normal operation the achievable power reduction is questionable, given the fact the system getting unstable most likely Aug 07 19:43:22 hm, i heard enough of the rumors stating that by using more customized voltages the battery may run longer Aug 07 19:43:38 numbers! we want numbers Aug 07 19:43:54 well, that is what i am trying to find out with that ;) Aug 07 19:44:06 great! Aug 07 19:44:13 not a scientific study though, personal experience Aug 07 19:44:41 bah Aug 07 19:44:54 but i will give numbers ;) Aug 07 19:45:35 like "I guess it does 1.259534 times with ULV settings" ? :-P Aug 07 19:46:45 not to a pinpoint accuracy like "with my custom settings i found out my system runs 1:05:54.32 hours longer than with the stock ones" but i will try finding out about how much longer it'll be like "my system runs an hour longer with my custom settings" Aug 07 19:47:46 and one quote got my attention... (taken from wiki.maemo.org/overclocking) Nokia's overclocking warning: 500 MHz is the normal frequency. Everything above is not good for your device, even with the stock kernel. Aug 07 19:47:49 well, if you got good statistical material, like 50 runs with and 50 without ULV, and the standard deviation is small enough to make it significant... Aug 07 19:48:58 50 will just take a long time, i think i can get 10 runs for each Aug 07 19:49:37 with battery meter i should be able to pinpoint the time it dies... Aug 07 19:49:45 for a more decent set of numbers I'd try to keep CPU load constant, then probe the current drawn by system (using bq27200.sh) and switch from ULV to normal and back every minute. Then you get real numbers Aug 07 19:50:45 hm, i am not changing to ulv though... i got accustomed using xlv as ulv goes afair to 805mhz by default Aug 07 19:51:11 nevertheless the scheme remains the same Aug 07 19:51:26 i know what you are up to with that though Aug 07 19:51:39 maybe go for 5min peiods, and don't miss to tag the switching in your bq27200 log Aug 07 19:52:10 i'll try looking into that the next week... will have lots of free time but also have enough stuff to do with my family's pcs are two died down the day before yesterday in 5 mins... Aug 07 19:53:04 well, better invest any free time into doing it the way I suggested, rather than trying to accomplish 20 runs Aug 07 19:53:38 faster and gives numbers Aug 07 19:53:44 yep Aug 07 19:53:51 real numbers Aug 07 19:55:14 subtitles support stopped working... movies no longer showing subs Aug 07 19:55:16 uhm where i can get said script? Aug 07 19:55:23 any ideas what to look for? Aug 07 19:55:28 with a period of 5min, and an automated script, you get decent results after as little as 1h Aug 07 19:55:57 mikki-kun: check backscroll, ShadowJK linked to it some h ago Aug 07 19:56:09 bq.tgz Aug 07 19:56:48 th3hate: nope *scratches head* Aug 07 19:57:18 was showing subs properly yesterday Aug 07 19:57:26 suddenly stopped working.. Aug 07 19:57:34 reboot? Aug 07 19:57:54 rebooted and reinstalled app Aug 07 19:57:57 still not showing Aug 07 19:58:02 no idea Aug 07 19:58:12 not even knew it ever worked Aug 07 19:58:43 for mplayer I once got told to add a separate file for subs Aug 07 19:59:00 with a generic name derived from media file name Aug 07 19:59:03 mplayer shows subs but can't get it to support arabic encoding Aug 07 20:01:25 DocScrutinizer: will be installing it right away, found the link Aug 07 20:04:08 hm, i think i need some modules loaded... Aug 07 20:04:16 mikki-kun: for a similar thing I did a few bashlines like ~# bq27200.sh >log.log & ; while pause 60; do (lshal >>log.log); done Aug 07 20:04:17 hmm Aug 07 20:04:28 I started up the USB console on /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 07 20:04:33 how do I use it? Aug 07 20:04:36 i get an Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy Aug 07 20:05:00 ummm Aug 07 20:05:04 root? Aug 07 20:05:42 yeah... maybe in the wrong directory? Aug 07 20:05:51 i got that all into /root/ now Aug 07 20:06:04 user root though Aug 07 20:06:11 figured it was small and as root uses it i can have it lying around there Aug 07 20:06:21 yeah, as root Aug 07 20:06:32 and you'll need the i2cget cmd somewhere (see script where exactly) Aug 07 20:07:19 mikki-kun: duh, power-kernel? Aug 07 20:07:34 most up to date version from titan Aug 07 20:07:42 btw, another error as well ./bq27200.sh: line 205: syntax error: * 3570 / 20 / 1000 Aug 07 20:07:47 modprobe -r bq27200 Aug 07 20:09:04 i should remove said module? it isn't even loaded Aug 07 20:09:21 but "bq27x00_battery" is Aug 07 20:09:31 ahhh, that was the bad guy Aug 07 20:09:48 thanks :) Aug 07 20:09:55 now it works like a charm :) Aug 07 20:10:23 MohammadAG: keep it, help is coming :-) Aug 07 20:10:23 MohammadAG: http://trac.tspre.org/merbot/freenode/%23meego-arm/log.08-07-2010.txt , [22:02] Aug 07 20:10:36 I bet he's aware of that :-D Aug 07 20:10:48 ooh, not that Aug 07 20:11:08 Does busybox sh do variable splitting? Aug 07 20:11:14 I want to do Aug 07 20:11:27 by using "./bq27200.sh 5" i exec it every 5 secs, right? Aug 07 20:11:30 echo fish fowl|read one two;echo $one Aug 07 20:11:39 and have it output fish Aug 07 20:11:48 I know why it doesn't - and how to work round it nastily Aug 07 20:11:57 is there a way to avoid this? Aug 07 20:12:18 Is there a way I can create a text message list on the n900? Aug 07 20:12:29 Like for a mass text I send out weekly Aug 07 20:13:14 sounds like spam :) Aug 07 20:13:29 or an invite to a poker game Aug 07 20:13:30 :P Aug 07 20:13:31 DocScrutinizer, lol I already got /dev/ttyACM0 on my PC Aug 07 20:13:36 I'm just not sure how to use it Aug 07 20:13:42 never done this low level crap Aug 07 20:13:56 MohammadAG: yep, so you actually areconnected to NOLO? Aug 07 20:14:08 try ? Aug 07 20:14:11 no, I'm using the backupmenu usb console Aug 07 20:14:22 aaah Aug 07 20:14:25 [17675.706460] cdc_acm 1-3:1.6: ttyACM0: USB ACM device Aug 07 20:14:40 that's usual Aug 07 20:14:43 DocScrutinizer: how about everybody using custom voltages reports his numbers? would help up clearing the mist regarding custom voltages Aug 07 20:14:46 done by g_nokia Aug 07 20:14:48 this is earlier Aug 07 20:15:16 mikki-kun: those should be pretty the same for all tests done correctly Aug 07 20:16:39 should be, but if more people do the test we can also include an emperical study and check what the usual outcome should be... i mean i could do something wring maybe or so... Aug 07 20:16:42 MohammadAG: for backupmenu I'd guess it's a simple shell Aug 07 20:17:05 mikki-kun: sure, sure Aug 07 20:17:10 DocScrutinizer, so how do I switch to it Aug 07 20:18:09 MohammadAG: ttyACM aiui is RS232 over USB, so you are just connected to it as soon as you started e.g minicom to ttyACM with right parameters Aug 07 20:18:37 that ttyACM you see is just access to pnatd afaik. Aug 07 20:18:41 and one question regarding OC... are the high voltages bad for the cpu or the faster clockcycles? Aug 07 20:18:51 you could possibly start a shell on it. Aug 07 20:18:55 shouldn't that be in TFM of backup-bootmenu? Aug 07 20:19:18 backupmenu has a USB console option in it Aug 07 20:19:24 which uses /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 07 20:19:25 hm so should respond to AT Aug 07 20:22:02 bah I give up Aug 07 20:22:47 MohammadAG: what did you DO? Aug 07 20:23:22 don't come here and ask fuzzy Q without any hint how to help you out, please :-) Aug 07 20:24:09 where does one get that bq27200.sh script? Aug 07 20:24:36 DocScrutinizer, I need to switch to ttyACM0 Aug 07 20:25:08 ds3: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar and after that untar it and exec it via "./.bq27200.sh" Aug 07 20:25:49 MohammadAG: told you ttyACM is rs232 over USB, so what you need is *)support for that on the device *) right kernel module loaded on host PC *)find the /dev/tty* thats's been crreated by that module *)use minicom to open that /dev/tty* as a rs232, with correct parameters (usually 115k 8N1) Aug 07 20:28:25 MohammadAG: that's what I seem to remember from last time I used that for OM FR uBoot Aug 07 20:29:05 ds3: you are also trying to get some numbers? Aug 07 20:29:20 fvck it Aug 07 20:29:28 maybe just interested in decent details bout battery? Aug 07 20:29:44 DocScrutinizer: you'd suggest i kill wifi/2g when i get my numbers? Aug 07 20:29:55 yes Aug 07 20:30:03 mikki-kun: what numbers are you wanting? Aug 07 20:30:20 ULV core Aug 07 20:30:27 vs default Aug 07 20:30:35 ah - right Aug 07 20:30:36 yeah Aug 07 20:30:44 above looks sane reading backscroll Aug 07 20:30:55 mikki-kun: also dim screen to off Aug 07 20:31:26 as real screen brightness is controlled by ALS so may change results Aug 07 20:31:32 and uhm... wouldn't it be interessting to actually see whether same voltages but different clockspeeds affect the battery? Aug 07 20:32:00 we are rather sure they do :-D Aug 07 20:32:29 what we need are numbers for same clockspeed but different core voltages Aug 07 20:32:43 ok, that was my initial plan ^^ Aug 07 20:33:11 and one question regarding overclocking... are the high voltages bad for the cpu or the faster clockcycles? Aug 07 20:33:15 it's not a simple setup Aug 07 20:33:39 mikki-kun: temperatur is the main problem Aug 07 20:33:55 the voltages are not directly causing problems, it's the current and that one is depending on freq *only* Aug 07 20:34:01 well, i live in thailand >.< ^^ but the previous weeks it was pretty chilly here Aug 07 20:34:01 johnsq: no Aug 07 20:34:29 johnsq: not at all Aug 07 20:35:06 ~tell johnsq about omap-oc Aug 07 20:35:21 lcuk: re:accounts - learn to /ns group Aug 07 20:35:45 kerio: already told him Aug 07 20:36:07 [2010-08-07 21:16:59] lcukn900: /msg nickserv id lcuk ; /msg nickserv group Aug 07 20:37:04 aw :( Aug 07 20:37:12 i don't quite get what you mean by current and frequency exactly... i mean if the stock kernel uses 54/72th of the voltage at 550 mhz and the custo kernel uses that same amout at 900 mhz, where exactly lies the problem? Aug 07 20:37:12 hmm :-D Aug 07 20:37:40 mikki-kun: heat? Aug 07 20:37:42 ~tell mikki-kun about omap-oc Aug 07 20:37:45 electromigration? Aug 07 20:38:12 mikki-kun: If you use performance enhancing drugs to do the marathon in 1:30 - as long as you eat the same amount of food with and without the drugs - how can there be any health risks? Aug 07 20:38:13 thanks for the link :) will read that one Aug 07 20:39:41 so X100e or X201s or X201i? :S Aug 07 20:39:43 i guess there shouldn't be any, of the drugs are not harming my body in the longer run... Aug 07 20:40:11 of == if Aug 07 20:40:20 that's the point Aug 07 20:41:36 are the drugs i take harming my body? if not, then i don't understand why sometimes overclocking is seen as something bad Aug 07 20:41:44 btw, i have problems with the link ;/ Aug 07 20:42:14 doesn't load Aug 07 20:42:28 hmm, check %023 and # in correct place Aug 07 20:44:10 dd if=20100807-backup-rootfs.img of=/dev/mtd5 <-- prolly a very bad move Aug 07 20:44:16 too late to go back Aug 07 20:44:25 DocScrutinizer: ShadowJK: MohammadAG: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powerscript - new software. Aug 07 20:44:27 seems the website is down atm ;/ Aug 07 20:44:43 yep Aug 07 20:44:45 Stupid script to output power consumption and wakeups per second. Aug 07 20:44:53 well - per 5s Aug 07 20:45:44 mikki-kun: yes. something more useful then stupid bars Aug 07 20:46:54 IMO, the whole concept of bars should just go away... graph signal strength in dBm and have a battery indicator showing + or - the current flow Aug 07 20:48:01 hm, bars are in general not very cool imo... Aug 07 20:48:11 take up space and are only helpful in the quick run Aug 07 20:49:01 SpeedEvil: nice :-))) Aug 07 20:49:12 and most of the time not very helpful *pointing at apple's way of measuring the 2g quality* Aug 07 20:49:57 DocScrutinizer: I was going to write something extremely complex. But that is probably not going to get written, and this works, and is understandable by users. Aug 07 20:50:11 yep Aug 07 20:51:23 hm... and i think every maemonian should have on his n900 a stable 1ghz and 1.1ghz setting so we can point towards the iphonians and show them we are even faster ^^ Aug 07 20:51:32 mikki-kun: or not Aug 07 20:51:38 yeah, i'd rather not Aug 07 20:52:11 i didn't say we should be running our devices at 1000 and 1100 all the time ;) Aug 07 20:52:29 SpeedEvil: may I? Aug 07 20:53:17 kick! kick! kick! kick! Aug 07 20:54:12 SpeedEvil: how's that now? Aug 07 20:54:32 powerscript 20 Aug 07 20:54:39 or 1 Aug 07 20:55:00 or no parameter, which defaults to 5 Aug 07 20:55:36 * spinningcompass blinks Aug 07 20:55:40 sleep ${1-5} Aug 07 20:57:13 So, I'm compiling PyPy on the Scratchbox/Fremantle/QEMU setup, but with a view to running the PyPy binary on an N810, which of course has a CPU that doesn't support the Fremantle framework. I'm *loving* Fremantle so far, but has anyone in here successfully compiled a binary under Fremantle and used it on Diablo? (No GUI, no nothing, command-line only...) Aug 07 21:01:37 ok Aug 07 21:03:11 hm, ok, i seem to have found my voltages now :) will look the next 3 days how things behave Aug 07 21:03:21 if good then i'll start the test :) Aug 07 21:06:14 later hackers!! Aug 07 21:06:16 skibur out! Aug 07 21:17:20 SpeedEvil, wouldn't http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=779052 burn out the LEDs? Aug 07 21:20:04 MohammadAG: posting Aug 07 21:21:41 MohammadAG: I don't think you can "burn out" LEDs in that way Aug 07 21:22:09 you could by applying more voltage then the led is rated for Aug 07 21:23:22 Proteous: yes, you can. Aug 07 21:23:37 Proteous: they are on a tiny poorly heatsinked bit of plastic. Aug 07 21:23:42 They can easily overheat. Aug 07 21:23:58 In addition, some LEDs are only rated for 0.5s@their max flash power. Aug 07 21:24:30 hence the part in my comment about "rating" Aug 07 21:24:46 if you are within the spec for the LED then you won't burn it out Aug 07 21:25:00 even by quickly cycling it on and off Aug 07 21:27:51 cycling it on and off does not harm it. Aug 07 21:28:05 However - the maximum continius rating for the flash LEDs is 50mA. Aug 07 21:28:16 The flash is at 350mA - 7 times higher. Aug 07 21:28:37 If it strobes at the flash intensity, not the flashlight intensity, then it risks damaging the LEDs. Aug 07 21:28:55 See my comment ont hat thread Aug 07 21:29:43 I agree Aug 07 21:30:42 hm, would it be difficult usin the 50mA instead of the 250 for that app? Aug 07 21:31:02 my understanding of the question which included the phrase, "it would be something like the flashligh app but with flashes" led me to belive he was talking about using the LED at the flash light app voltages Aug 07 21:31:05 'Afternoon Aug 07 21:31:08 er, amps Aug 07 21:31:19 which would be just fine Aug 07 21:32:11 flashlight intensity = <3 Aug 07 21:33:43 = @.@ Aug 07 21:33:58 or x.x Aug 07 21:34:05 Proteous: doesn't that fry it? Aug 07 21:34:20 Mmmm, frying Aug 07 21:34:27 wait, what? Aug 07 21:34:34 the flashlight app? Aug 07 21:34:43 luke-jr: read the comments on the thread and the links in there Aug 07 21:34:45 at the full 350mA Aug 07 21:35:00 my red led is broken :( Aug 07 21:35:01 depends, are you in the arctic? Aug 07 21:35:11 (or rather, :) ) Aug 07 21:35:12 did you bury your n900 in the snow? Aug 07 21:35:23 "it would be something like the flashligh app but with flashes" makes me think an applet you touch to flash Aug 07 21:35:27 Proteous: won't help Aug 07 21:35:35 liquid nitrogen? Aug 07 21:35:52 might help :-P Aug 07 21:36:15 only *might* Aug 07 21:36:21 heh Aug 07 21:36:55 It would be problematic even in the arctic Aug 07 21:37:08 if the thermal impedance from LED chip to outer surface of case is too high, no cooling whatsoever will help Aug 07 21:37:16 right Aug 07 21:37:27 so what you're saying is that if I want a strobe light that I can see outside during the afternoon I'll need to get a different phone? Aug 07 21:37:39 and case here is LED case Aug 07 21:37:42 * Proteous cries Aug 07 21:38:29 the LED plastic is thin enough that I think submerging it in liquid nitrogen would keep it cool Aug 07 21:38:34 even under a heavy work load Aug 07 21:38:46 if you manage to not crack the plastic Aug 07 21:38:52 yes, if you want to see the shadows of your body on next wall, when flashlight fires 2 miles away, yes then you need different phone Aug 07 21:38:58 lol Aug 07 21:39:05 IT BURNS! Aug 07 21:39:55 Proteous: just for the records: it's probably no plastic, but ceramic Aug 07 21:39:57 DocScrutinizer: does that scenario allow for a closer lightsource too? Aug 07 21:39:58 hm, seems i have a broken sim :( Aug 07 21:40:07 hi Aug 07 21:40:39 TiagoTiago: hey Aug 07 21:40:41 'lo Aug 07 21:40:47 Typically in 350mA applications the led base is attached with thermal glue to a big "star" board, which is then in contact with a heatsink/batterytube through a TIM Aug 07 21:40:56 is there a way i can have backups (the stuff to get my aps and data back after a total reflash) be generated and sent via network to my desktop machine every N minutes/hours/days/whatever? Aug 07 21:41:38 TiagoTiago: Yes, although not built-in. Aug 07 21:41:42 * ShadowJK 's power leds are on star board, star boards attached to Pentium3 heatsink :) Aug 07 21:41:48 heh Aug 07 21:41:51 What's the best way to start figuring out why an N810 PDA keeps rebooting? "dmesg" isn't revealing much... Aug 07 21:41:56 any tutorials or download links for that? Aug 07 21:42:03 if you figure how to start the backup from cmdline, then you can use alarmed for that, yes Aug 07 21:42:04 TiagoTiago: However, you might want to have it prompt you first, since it will be doing a lot of I/O to tarball all the data Aug 07 21:42:15 makes sense Aug 07 21:42:28 spinningcompass, /proc/bootreason, /ar/lib/dsme/stats (or similar...) Aug 07 21:42:45 how about just sending the data via rsync to your pc and when it is done the PC makes a tarball of it? Aug 07 21:42:53 can i have it ask for permission but time out so i can have it do it's thing while i'm sleeping, but when i'm awake at llate hours still be able to cancel the process? Aug 07 21:42:53 any of you guys seen v13? Aug 07 21:43:20 ShadowJK: Thank you Aug 07 21:43:35 /var even Aug 07 21:43:53 Since you mentioned dmesh 8 assume it actually boots at some point Aug 07 21:44:33 s/dmesh 8/dmesg I/ Aug 07 21:44:34 ShadowJK meant: Since you mentioned dmesg I assume it actually boots at some point Aug 07 21:44:41 damn keyboard :) Aug 07 21:45:05 * tybollt hands sjk a .se keyboard - there fixed it for ya ;P Aug 07 21:45:14 It's not rebooting on connecting charger, is it? Aug 07 21:45:47 tybollt, oh I thought there was just the scandinavian keyboard Aug 07 21:45:58 (N900) Aug 07 21:46:20 well yeah :) Aug 07 21:46:30 scandinavia ~ sweden Aug 07 21:46:36 you know - the important part of it ;) Aug 07 21:46:37 How does one discover the current version of firmware installed on an N810? Aug 07 21:46:53 without booting it? Aug 07 21:46:59 Settings/control panel - about product Aug 07 21:47:03 thank you :) Aug 07 21:47:42 any lik to a tutorial on how to get that thing i described going on? Aug 07 21:47:44 huh, mine's unknown Aug 07 21:48:15 anyone know if the developer/maintainer of actman (desktop activity manager) is contactable on irc? Aug 07 21:49:44 HELLOOOO DESKTOP ACTIVITY MANAGER! Aug 07 21:49:49 hello? Aug 07 21:49:54 it doesn't seem to be here Aug 07 21:50:14 nm Aug 07 21:50:15 his handle noted on the website is v13 Aug 07 21:50:25 s/is/as/ Aug 07 21:50:26 psycho_oreos meant: has handle noted on the website is v13 Aug 07 21:50:39 regex fails Aug 07 21:50:50 his handle noted on website as v13 Aug 07 21:51:31 you can try /whois v13 Aug 07 21:51:44 but I don't think there is anyone using that nick on this IRC network at the moment Aug 07 21:52:03 Last seen : Jun 28 22:26:12 2010 (5 weeks, 4 days, 23:25:38 ago) Aug 07 21:54:22 wonder if he got pissed off with maemo and went elsewhere Aug 07 21:54:44 there is a couple of email address for him on his site www.v13.gr Aug 07 21:54:48 you can try those Aug 07 21:56:03 anyone here use Windows and Wireshark? Aug 07 21:56:13 not much Aug 07 21:56:23 luke-jr: Why? Aug 07 21:56:41 jaem: an IP camera only serves a stream via ActiveX… Aug 07 21:56:58 luke-jr: Eep. Aug 07 21:57:23 I don't personally, but a friend does, which is why I was asking. Aug 07 21:58:20 Proteous, hmm thanks for your input but I don't really like emailing heh Aug 07 21:58:31 heh Aug 07 22:03:42 Which progrtam i can use to browser (and move/copy/delete etc) files over bluetooth (like how Windows Explorer can do) ? Aug 07 22:04:27 TiagoTiago: An OBEX browser? I'm not sure. Can the Hildon File Manager not do it? Aug 07 22:05:14 <_llll_> did you check the app manager, pretty sure searching for bluetooth gives a few options Aug 07 22:07:38 Hm, right now it's kinda froxen thinking after i just installed somthing via the app manager, when it's resumes responding i'll check fi the default file manager has a way to do it somewhere Aug 07 22:08:18 frozen* Aug 07 22:12:30 on N810, the default file manager can browse paired bluetooth devices supporting obex ftp Aug 07 22:12:55 what are the steps to get there? Aug 07 22:14:11 TiagoTiago: Have you paired the remote device yet? Aug 07 22:14:49 i believe i have, it's included in the list of the bluttoth devices and is authorized Aug 07 22:15:12 Does it show up in the File Manager? Aug 07 22:15:52 settings - control panel - bluetooth - bluetooth on - ok, controlpanel-bluetooth (or via notification area bluetooth icon) bluetooth settings - devices - new (if it's not there) Aug 07 22:15:57 nope, i keep going one level up and then eventually whent here isn't another level to go ony the N itself shows Aug 07 22:16:04 N900* Aug 07 22:16:24 TiagoTiago: Give me a moment and I'll check with mine. Aug 07 22:16:40 oops sorry, you're n900 Aug 07 22:16:49 I thought you had N810 :) Aug 07 22:17:07 I thought i had mentioned that previously in this convo Aug 07 22:17:25 Yeah I have a bad memory Aug 07 22:17:36 * jaem hands SJK some scrollback Aug 07 22:17:41 it's alright, it happens :) Aug 07 22:17:50 :) Aug 07 22:18:00 jaem: I'm on n900, small screen is small Aug 07 22:18:09 * ShadowJK should move to his n810 Aug 07 22:18:24 Proteous, figured it out :) error on my end, now I have actman also changing all 9 desktop backgrounds (via modified-hildon-home) Aug 07 22:18:28 but then bad keyboard is bad! Aug 07 22:18:30 ShadowJK, humans have macro focus Aug 07 22:18:39 hold n900 a couple of cm closer :P Aug 07 22:18:43 *waves at lcuk* Aug 07 22:18:44 Yeah so N900 doesn't browse files on other devices Aug 07 22:18:45 same res afterall Aug 07 22:18:48 hi ja Aug 07 22:18:51 jaem even Aug 07 22:18:56 > And Linux use has dropped from a high of 2.5% in 2004 to a rounding error this year." Aug 07 22:19:02 * timeless chuckles Aug 07 22:19:10 lol Aug 07 22:19:14 >_< Aug 07 22:19:18 really? Aug 07 22:19:22 howw whas that measured? Aug 07 22:19:27 TiagoTiago: poorly? Aug 07 22:19:28 Yeah but I find my eyes are too crap to have 8pt font like on N810 :/ Aug 07 22:19:37 tiagotiago: think about it for a bit Aug 07 22:19:44 lol Aug 07 22:19:45 there was a time when most people didn't have computers at school Aug 07 22:19:54 biasness +1 Aug 07 22:19:59 with time, everyone has a computer Aug 07 22:20:10 but the people who had computers at first were nerds Aug 07 22:20:15 the late arrivals were.... not Aug 07 22:20:25 people who had comps are first had to build/scrounge their own Aug 07 22:20:43 gah parse error Aug 07 22:20:49 people who had no comps are first had to build/scrounge their own Aug 07 22:20:59 thats it, i give up Aug 07 22:21:43 heh Aug 07 22:23:15 * lcuk2 gives up talking Aug 07 22:23:26 any of you guys know how are the E-Tags made from /home/user/.backgrounds/cache.info? I could very well be on the way to make modified 9 desktop switching a lot easer Aug 07 22:23:31 lcuk2: Didn't you already try that? Aug 07 22:23:33 s/easer/easier/ Aug 07 22:23:34 psycho_oreos meant: any of you guys know how are the E-Tags made from /home/user/.backgrounds/cache.info? I could very well be on the way to make modified 9 desktop switching a lot easier Aug 07 22:24:24 yeah jaem i couldnt even kick myself properly, i wiped myself off the server too Aug 07 22:24:34 * jaem cackles Aug 07 22:24:41 * jaem goes for lunch Aug 07 22:25:46 GPS satelites' clocks are extremely precise, right? Is there a way to synch the N900's internal clock with them? Aug 07 22:26:07 it would use a lot of battery to have the GPS on a lot Aug 07 22:26:24 but I'm sure you could do it Aug 07 22:26:28 TiagoTiago: openntpd can also get data from GPS, when configured Aug 07 22:26:31 you can also get percise time from the cell network Aug 07 22:26:31 afaik Aug 07 22:26:39 only check the time from the satelites every N minutes/hours/days Aug 07 22:27:00 well, resync when you get a sat lock would be simplest Aug 07 22:27:28 lcuk2: you're not speaking Aug 07 22:27:41 stop Aug 07 22:27:43 true Aug 07 22:27:48 Aug 07 22:28:37 Aug 07 22:34:44 kerio, Aug 07 22:34:45 Aug 07 22:34:51 and a complete and utter one Aug 07 22:34:56 I'm not that sure about liblocation and GPS driver supporting ntpd syncing to GPS as stratum-whatever Aug 07 22:36:08 anyway should be simple enough to set up and test Aug 07 22:36:20 just I can't get bothered right ATM Aug 07 22:40:57 i would eve know where to start (i mena, other than trying to google for tutorials on how to program on the N900) Aug 07 22:41:20 *wouldn't even* Aug 07 22:41:27 erm,w here the first asterisk came from? Aug 07 22:42:14 minigpsd claims gps time sync Aug 07 22:42:29 but I suspect minigpsd never worked on n900 at all Aug 07 23:14:30 why did everyone go quiet? Aug 07 23:15:00 * nox- just charged his n900 after letting the battery go flat Aug 07 23:15:00 I'm watching stuff gpodder downloaded from youtube Aug 07 23:15:02 its late here in europa Aug 07 23:15:15 I am writing wiki pages. Aug 07 23:16:20 I thought you couldn't let it go flat without bricking it (somthing about the charging mode needing to boot up the device and the device not beign able to run from the wall only from the battery itself, even while charging)( Aug 07 23:17:05 well... Aug 07 23:17:11 TiagoTiago: It's really not. Aug 07 23:17:20 there's flat and there's flat... and there's N8x0 and N900 Aug 07 23:17:27 TiagoTiago: I've let it run flat plenty of times Aug 07 23:17:29 a Aug 07 23:17:38 TiagoTiago: There are certain annoying charging behaviours, but it doesn't really stop it working if you know how to avoid them. Aug 07 23:17:41 ah* Aug 07 23:17:53 well it still did a clean shutdown after some beeps, then i plugged the charger in Aug 07 23:18:01 In general, for most people, it will work OK. Aug 07 23:18:21 It shuts down ~10-30 min before it's really out of power Aug 07 23:18:31 I see Aug 07 23:18:43 (that was after i read that the battery chip needs to `learn' about the battery by letting it go flat at least once...) Aug 07 23:18:52 nox-: that's really not true. Aug 07 23:19:00 oh? Aug 07 23:19:07 I see one issue, the OS-less emergency charge only goes to 3.7 or something, and flashing requires much more Aug 07 23:19:36 nox-: The battery needs to run flat - to a level that BME is disabled - to allow the battery charging chip to read capacity. Aug 07 23:19:50 the battery chip is essentially unused by maemo.. and maemo shuts down before battery chip learning threshold Aug 07 23:19:52 nox-: But - the charging chip appears not to be used for that really. Aug 07 23:20:21 battery fuel gauge chip you mean Aug 07 23:20:35 y Aug 07 23:21:18 oh Aug 07 23:21:43 ~flatbatrecover Aug 07 23:21:44 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Aug 07 23:22:13 i waited till the led was blue Aug 07 23:22:31 then i booted it (just few mins ago) Aug 07 23:22:33 uh. Aug 07 23:22:36 nox-: after 32 minutes the fast charge stops, if the battery is insufficiently charged, the n900 won't boot Aug 07 23:22:43 It's not supposed to become blue :) Aug 07 23:22:46 nox-: which means you need to cycle the low-level charge again Aug 07 23:22:47 oh? Aug 07 23:23:18 blue? Aug 07 23:23:23 well plugged charger in again, now its charging again... Aug 07 23:23:28 blue means you've got a message Aug 07 23:23:34 white means it's booting Aug 07 23:23:37 If it goes blue, it's booted all the way, and you've got a message Aug 07 23:23:45 oh Aug 07 23:23:50 let me look :) Aug 07 23:24:12 lol Aug 07 23:24:23 ar eyou saying it will bott up even if you have it shut down when you plug it to to charge? Or that only happens if you pull the battery out for at least a minute? Aug 07 23:24:39 TiagoTiago: usually it will charge fine Aug 07 23:24:43 ~flatbatrecover Aug 07 23:24:45 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Aug 07 23:24:51 but will boot up automaticly? Aug 07 23:24:52 Is only in the case it's seeming not to charge Aug 07 23:25:00 TiagoTiago: it boots up part of the way. Aug 07 23:25:06 I see Aug 07 23:25:10 TiagoTiago: automatically Aug 07 23:25:20 TiagoTiago: not all the way to the desktop Aug 07 23:25:25 ok Aug 07 23:25:26 BTW: For anyone who wanted to watch "The Wolfman" -- DON'T. It's an absolutely disastrously bad movie Aug 07 23:25:41 how does it compare to the original? Aug 07 23:25:49 the only problem is that if the n900 fails to boot, you can't get it to charge normally, and the emergency charge is not enough to flash another image Aug 07 23:25:52 * SpeedEvil is rewatching Babylon 5. Aug 07 23:26:05 TiagoTiago: did "disastrously bad movie" not give you a hint? Aug 07 23:26:13 so yeah, at that point it is bricked - until you buy a new halfway-charged battery Aug 07 23:26:27 i haven't watched or read reviews of the original, so i can't compare them Aug 07 23:26:32 kerio: only in the case that you broke the firmware. Aug 07 23:26:45 SpeedEvil: yeah, in the case that you were dicking around with the kernel or something Aug 07 23:27:05 SpeedEvil: so the emergency charge isn't enough for a flash? Aug 07 23:27:23 nope Aug 07 23:27:29 damn Aug 07 23:27:32 hm dont think it was a message... Aug 07 23:27:36 you *can* hotswap the batteries though, so if you get a new one you can flash and boot with the other one, and then swap the batteries so it charges normally Aug 07 23:27:46 nox-: sure you're not colourblind? Aug 07 23:27:52 haha Aug 07 23:28:01 no :) Aug 07 23:28:06 orange mistaken with blue? Aug 07 23:28:10 how much is a standalone charger compatible with the N900 battery? Aug 07 23:28:11 weird colourblindness Aug 07 23:28:12 no Aug 07 23:28:18 SpeedEvil: seeing blue instead of white isn't colourblind, it's called beauty lenses :D Aug 07 23:28:23 TiagoTiago: heh, that's the other option Aug 07 23:28:25 maybe it was a greenish blue at most Aug 07 23:28:27 (or "fashion contacts") Aug 07 23:28:37 green is fully charged Aug 07 23:28:45 ah hmm Aug 07 23:28:49 TiagoTiago: ~7EUR Aug 07 23:28:51 so this is an rgb led? Aug 07 23:28:54 nox-: yes Aug 07 23:28:56 i still don't get why this is not a *big* issue Aug 07 23:28:58 aah :) Aug 07 23:29:14 we get at least someone every day asking for help regarding the battery Aug 07 23:29:20 either that or more than one LED very close to each other Aug 07 23:29:22 kerio: what is a big issue? Aug 07 23:29:39 kerio: there should be a USB mode that prevents the n900 from booting and keeps it in fast charge Aug 07 23:29:53 An rgb led ID essentially 3 leds very close to eachother... Aug 07 23:29:54 kerio: for 99.9% of those people - ~flatbatrecover will work Aug 07 23:29:55 also, the normal charge should enable wifi and allow software updates in the background Aug 07 23:29:58 yeah now its green again Aug 07 23:29:58 TiagoTiago: nope, it is a 3color Aug 07 23:30:04 SpeedEvil: flatbatrecover is slow Aug 07 23:30:07 Argh, how long does it take to fix a broken charger port? : < Aug 07 23:30:07 cool Aug 07 23:30:08 sorry about remembering that as blue... :) Aug 07 23:30:12 100mA Aug 07 23:30:19 kerio: it's not. Aug 07 23:30:21 as opposed to the 1100mA you get from the wallcharger Aug 07 23:30:48 kerio: with the wallcharger, you get 500mA charge in recovery mode, as long as the battery voltage is over 2.7v? Aug 07 23:30:59 crashanddie, hm i think i have used wifi while it was charging... Aug 07 23:31:12 i thought DocScrutinizer discovered that the OTG pin is not checked in emergency charge Aug 07 23:31:13 nox-: I mean when the device is "off" Aug 07 23:31:14 Maemo is waay better than UIQ3, even if there are mobile OS-es worser than UIQ3 Aug 07 23:31:17 crashanddie, oh Aug 07 23:31:20 Why they decided to not have the N900 run directly from the wall? Aug 07 23:31:21 so you get 100, even from the wallcharger Aug 07 23:31:27 DocScrutinizer: can you confirm this? Aug 07 23:31:31 TiagoTiago: sorry? Aug 07 23:31:33 kerio: nope, that was a bug in datasheet Aug 07 23:31:36 TiagoTiago: because subcontractors SUCK BAWLS Aug 07 23:31:37 TiagoTiago: you mean why a USB for charging? Aug 07 23:31:41 oh, nvm then Aug 07 23:31:52 It's relatively difficult to push battery really empty anyway.. I've never managed to get it emptier than requiring 30 secs emergency charge Aug 07 23:32:00 No, i mean running while plugged to the wall even if you pull out the battery Aug 07 23:32:04 ShadowJK: bigass resistor Aug 07 23:32:09 that's how we got that piece of shit that's the bme Aug 07 23:32:14 (also not enough power, really) Aug 07 23:32:19 TiagoTiago: erhm... not many devices support that Aug 07 23:32:26 really? why? Aug 07 23:32:31 TiagoTiago: cameras don't, most phones don't, even cars don't Aug 07 23:32:37 also, runnign while plugged even if the battery is flat Aug 07 23:32:58 ShadowJK: it's frigthnening easy: crash OS while some of the chips connected directly to battery are still on and consuming Aug 07 23:33:16 TiagoTiago: start your car, disconnect battery, engine will die Aug 07 23:33:17 TiagoTiago: the wallcharger gives 1.1A, sometimes the cellmo requires peaks of 3A Aug 07 23:33:20 You need extra beefy powersupply (or capacitors in the device) for that :) Aug 07 23:33:39 (note - peaks; you have a much lesser usage normally) Aug 07 23:33:41 hm, i see Aug 07 23:33:59 but yeah, you can run it from the wallcharger only Aug 07 23:34:16 stop bme, wait for the watchdog to start the emergency charge, remove battery Aug 07 23:34:28 set offline mode before that though Aug 07 23:34:30 (c) /me :-P Aug 07 23:34:31 or you could lose data Aug 07 23:34:36 of course (c) DocScrutinizer Aug 07 23:34:37 so somtimes while charging from the wall the battery charge might actually go down instead of up 'cause of those spikes? Aug 07 23:34:57 TiagoTiago: meh, not really Aug 07 23:35:09 they're tiny peaks, not enough to cause a noticeable discharge of the battery Aug 07 23:35:10 yes, basically that's true Aug 07 23:35:31 but enough to make the n900 shut down when going without battery Aug 07 23:35:34 so it happens but can't be measured Aug 07 23:35:36 ? Aug 07 23:35:43 3g/gsm is sending in bursts right? that would be spikes of power used... Aug 07 23:35:43 that's when notifier "not enough power" or somesuch pops up Aug 07 23:35:51 Probably with a scope Aug 07 23:35:54 run a kernel compile, see what happens :) Aug 07 23:36:37 lol, there is a prog called "iphone" that has nothing to do witht he fruitphone, it's for showing your IP int he home screen Xp Aug 07 23:37:11 DocScrutinizer: you should start selling hotswap dongles Aug 07 23:37:15 isn't it iphome? Aug 07 23:37:22 also when battery is nearly full, on wall charger, and you're using the device, there are measurable events where battery is discharged :) Aug 07 23:37:32 kerio: why? nobody seems interested Aug 07 23:37:32 erm....<.< Aug 07 23:37:39 you're right, nvm me <.< Aug 07 23:37:44 TiagoTiago, that reminds me of... http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/134238/Apple-Doesnt-Appreciate-Toilet-Humor Aug 07 23:38:36 DocScrutinizer, inductive charger replacement backcover *PLEASE* Aug 07 23:38:47 hah Aug 07 23:38:49 lcuk2: WIP Aug 07 23:38:53 ++ Aug 07 23:39:22 inductive backcover battery hotswapper! Aug 07 23:39:25 infact, even the contact pads so n900 can be used in a dock would be cool Aug 07 23:39:27 o/ lcuk2 Aug 07 23:39:29 battery with extra JST wire Aug 07 23:40:00 ah access to pads with battery installed would be awesome Aug 07 23:40:10 like this http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/772/772303p1.html Aug 07 23:40:14 how many watts are avaiable on the air from all the WIFI access points in a residential buildingr unning at once? Aug 07 23:40:15 btw, I'm currently building my USB charger for my bike (push bike) Aug 07 23:40:16 heya crashanddie \o Aug 07 23:40:38 TiagoTiago, enough to make my head go "Ding!" after a few minutes sometimes Aug 07 23:40:44 lol Aug 07 23:40:54 TiagoTiago: probably not much more than 1W Aug 07 23:41:07 and how many wats the charger provides again? Aug 07 23:41:21 5V x 1.1A, so 5.5W Aug 07 23:41:32 well the power of individual units falls off PDQ Aug 07 23:41:33 I see, balls :/ Aug 07 23:41:34 TiagoTiago: WAT Aug 07 23:41:50 it would be like trying to use the stars in the night sky as solar power sources with current tech Aug 07 23:41:59 Reminds me of the fact that my P1i is possible to shut off with camera LED still on (used that bug as a torch before an application for it came), and make the battery run out aaaalmost fully Aug 07 23:41:59 (as in, connection to charger will give red LED in like 20 mins before anything else happens) Aug 07 23:42:18 eeeerrrm, 15nW/m^2 ? Aug 07 23:42:29 I once read that the cosmic microwave background doesn't provide any significant ammount of watts to be usefull :/ Aug 07 23:42:58 if it did, we'd have serious problems running *anything* based on electrons, you know Aug 07 23:43:01 TiagoTiago, and if you can pull enough useful watts out of the ether now it would be similar Aug 07 23:43:05 including our nerve system Aug 07 23:43:11 TiagoTiago: plus, you would need to have an antenna and system to turn it into usable power supply Aug 07 23:43:23 FIQ: works with N900 same way :-D Aug 07 23:43:26 TiagoTiago: there's a reason that Tesla's dream of wireless electricity hasn't made it yet Aug 07 23:43:29 crashanddie: antenna usb dongle Aug 07 23:43:29 we need ZPM batteries Aug 07 23:44:26 RTG Aug 07 23:44:51 Is it generally accepted wisdom that Fremantle doesn't generate binaries that are compatible w/ Diablo? Aug 07 23:45:14 errrrr yes? Aug 07 23:45:28 TiagoTiago: or naquadah batteries Aug 07 23:45:37 yes the binary format itself should be compatible I believe , but the libraries it owuld need to link against are bad Aug 07 23:45:38 indeed Aug 07 23:45:40 afaik Aug 07 23:45:42 spinningcompass: that's not wisdom, it's common sense Aug 07 23:45:59 you can use diablo binaries on fremantle if the libs are still compatible Aug 07 23:45:59 tiagotiago: err Aug 07 23:46:07 just ZPM Aug 07 23:46:16 the M is functionally equivalent to the word battery Aug 07 23:46:23 just like you shouldn't say ATM machine Aug 07 23:46:26 crashanddie: I'll take that as a 'yes'. Aug 07 23:46:40 and, i'll take 2 ZPMs, please :) Aug 07 23:46:40 * lcuk2 happily built and used chinook binaries on chinook diablo and fremantle Aug 07 23:46:43 or LED diode Aug 07 23:46:48 never hurts to have a spare :) Aug 07 23:46:49 timeless: what about your pin number? Aug 07 23:46:51 :p Aug 07 23:46:51 i meant it like how you say lithium-ion batteries, the technology used to get get/store/provide the enrgy Aug 07 23:47:00 kerio: my localization doesn't screw that up either Aug 07 23:47:15 timeless: well, "module" in itself isn't a synonym for battery, but the fact that the ZPM is a power generation device does indeed render the "battery' part moot Aug 07 23:47:18 are you using your n900 in English? if so, i can offer you a copy :) Aug 07 23:47:20 a battery that uses zerop point module technology Aug 07 23:47:41 TiagoTiago: read what I said Aug 07 23:47:51 TiagoTiago: the ZPM generates energy, it doesn't store it Aug 07 23:47:53 timeless: nope, IT_it Aug 07 23:48:07 kerio: oh well Aug 07 23:48:14 * lcuk2 facepalms Aug 07 23:48:19 i think it's just "Insert PIN" here Aug 07 23:48:22 enjoy our poor Italian mangling of crappy English Aug 07 23:48:28 either way it provides it Aug 07 23:48:33 I thought ZPM was some form of half life portal weaponry Aug 07 23:48:53 or really poor Italian mangling of poorly conceived Finnish written as "English" Aug 07 23:48:58 we're talking Stargate terminology here Aug 07 23:49:07 lcuk: stargate Aug 07 23:49:11 mostly atlantis Aug 07 23:49:11 yup Aug 07 23:49:13 i looked Aug 07 23:49:18 a small amount of sg1 Aug 07 23:49:21 no clue about universe Aug 07 23:49:24 we don't get that here Aug 07 23:49:37 * DocScrutinizer coughs and goes having a BE-eR Aug 07 23:49:51 timeless: atlantis makes most use of ZPM Aug 07 23:49:58 not much about ZPMs in Universe, at least in the episodes we have here so far (they are on the third re-run of the first season so far Aug 07 23:50:03 * timeless nods Aug 07 23:50:16 timeless: universe doesn't have ZPMs at all. The ship is powered by the stars themselves (the ship actually "dives" into a sun to recharge the batteries) Aug 07 23:50:17 tiagotiago: no fair Aug 07 23:50:35 crashanddie: please don't leak too much Aug 07 23:50:43 someday i'll get to some place where i can watch it Aug 07 23:50:53 kinda annoying that they don't show new seasons (or there aren't any yet?) Aug 07 23:51:04 you can probably torrent it Aug 07 23:51:16 TiagoTiago: It's like when I fell asleep watching Passion of the Christ. I was so mad because I had no idea how it ended. Did the guy die or not? Aug 07 23:51:21 You can watch it anywhere, though not legally. Maybe one day there'll be a legal way to watch shows and listen to music ;p Aug 07 23:51:35 timeless: well, (without leaking too much), destiny is actually a lot older than the ancient's technology found in sg1 and atlantis, and it has been theorised that they hadn't invented the ZPM yet Aug 07 23:52:05 ok Aug 07 23:52:07 spinningcompass, spoiler: the guy becomes an undead (zombie?) Aug 07 23:52:09 that's enough :) Aug 07 23:52:11 it would be nice if there was somthing liek Pandora for TV series (but without the part where PAndaora only works in a few countries) Aug 07 23:52:12 :-o Aug 07 23:52:17 TiagoTiago: only one season, 20 episodes Aug 07 23:52:21 That's why they couldn't kill him. He was a zombie proces. Aug 07 23:52:23 process. Aug 07 23:52:28 gah, fucking typos Aug 07 23:52:31 * spinningcompass shuts up Aug 07 23:52:42 TiagoTiago: surfthechannel.com Aug 07 23:53:03 or more specifically: http://www.surfthechannel.com/show/79687.html Aug 07 23:53:41 who opped them? Aug 07 23:53:46 me Aug 07 23:53:50 whatfor? Aug 07 23:53:55 ot attack Aug 07 23:53:58 bot Aug 07 23:53:59 hmm Aug 07 23:54:08 +q $~a didn't help? Aug 07 23:54:11 and dinner (mine) :-D Aug 07 23:54:22 sure, it did, so now deop them Aug 07 23:54:28 k Aug 07 23:54:55 DocScrutinizer: shouldn't we add mo, frals and rst to the op list? Aug 07 23:54:55 freenode got captcha now on web gateway Aug 07 23:55:10 that was quick :) Aug 07 23:55:12 I'm not averse Aug 07 23:55:38 GAN900: any comments? Aug 07 23:55:51 lcuk: I'm starting my new job tomorrow!!! Aug 07 23:55:59 sunday? Aug 07 23:56:05 well, it's already sunday Aug 07 23:56:10 lcuk Aug 07 23:56:15 * lcuk hasn't slept yet! Aug 07 23:57:16 yes DocScrutinizer Aug 07 23:57:39 DocScrutinizer: shouldn't we add mo, frals and rst to the op list? Aug 07 23:57:58 It's possible to build PyPy on the Fremantle toolchain but not on the Diablo toolchain: the latter's QEMU keeps generating SIGSEGV (11). Is there a way to use the Fremantle toolchain to build binaries for Diablo? Aug 07 23:58:24 spinningcompass: hardly. You're going to end up with library conflicts Aug 07 23:58:37 spinningcompass, simpler Aug 07 23:58:44 identify the specific problems Aug 07 23:58:48 in diablo building Aug 07 23:58:51 and work on those Aug 07 23:58:57 good advice Aug 07 23:58:59 rather than trying to do as you suggest Aug 07 23:59:08 how many amps does lighting up blue sucks more than lighting up red int he status LED? Aug 07 23:59:13 DocScrutinizer: I didn't understand your question Aug 07 23:59:25 he opeed me to oat the same time Aug 07 23:59:29 miliamps* Aug 07 23:59:30 but i kicked myself a bit ago Aug 07 23:59:32 I suggested to include lcuk in that list Aug 07 23:59:35 lcuk: ah, k Aug 07 23:59:46 i kicked self for my bad typing Aug 07 23:59:51 i see it hasnt gotten better Aug 08 00:00:06 nota bene none of those had been asked by me. I shanghai'd them Aug 08 00:00:07 well, I konw mohammad is an op on other networks, and has a good understanding of IRC (even though not specifically freenode's specifics) Aug 08 00:00:55 TiagoTiago: zero Aug 08 00:01:05 lcuk is an excellent moral guide, but I don't know if he'll bother with actually moderating the channel through any other means than his usual talking Aug 08 00:01:34 i thought making higher frequency EM required more energy than for lower frequency Aug 08 00:01:45 (that's not a critique, btw, that's more of a compliment) Aug 08 00:01:54 TiagoTiago: it's the same led Aug 08 00:01:56 i actually agree, i don't know much of irc commands etc, but its good to know theres a few folks that can be whistled when needed Aug 08 00:02:09 indeed Aug 08 00:02:12 but it's doing different things, the energy is being routed thru different paths Aug 08 00:02:27 TiagoTiago: still, the difference is negligeable Aug 08 00:03:04 TiagoTiago: strictly speaking, the human eye is far more a factor than electronics there Aug 08 00:03:14 it's really simple, first thing you need to know is /msg chanserv op #maemo Aug 08 00:03:22 green can appear brighter for the same ammount of input energy, right? Aug 08 00:03:26 to get +o Aug 08 00:03:48 oh hi! finally decided to join Aug 08 00:03:50 TiagoTiago: because the leds have different MCD outputs Aug 08 00:03:56 2nd thing: it's common best practice to not hold +o in normal situations Aug 08 00:04:03 what does MCD stands for? Aug 08 00:04:08 TiagoTiago: correct, as you detect more photons of it Aug 08 00:04:15 TiagoTiago: milli candles Aug 08 00:04:46 DocScrutinizer, yeah i know that Aug 08 00:05:05 TiagoTiago: usually, it's a 1:4:1 factor (meaning that red will output 1000 mcd, green 4000 and blue 1000) Aug 08 00:05:07 so each component is balanced to the point that the same amount of input energy produces the same amount of perceived brightness for each component? Aug 08 00:05:15 http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml Aug 08 00:05:16 though in another place, op powers were restored and I opped everyone in the channel to make sure we didn't lose them :D Aug 08 00:05:45 (on different network) Aug 08 00:05:54 TiagoTiago: no, most rgb leds will have a much more powerfull green than red or blue Aug 08 00:06:14 * achipa wants the led from the N810 back, not this vestigial one on the N900 Aug 08 00:06:35 achipa: the n810 one was a bit too bright though Aug 08 00:06:35 ack Aug 08 00:06:40 achipa, i quite like the LED on the 900 Aug 08 00:06:42 achipa: would keep me up at night, had to cover it up Aug 08 00:06:46 i remember the first night with n810 Aug 08 00:06:47 but who lighting up blue doesn't5 consume any more energy than lighting up red? Aug 08 00:06:53 i woke up to think aliens had invaded Aug 08 00:07:00 lcuk: Do you live in Arizona? :) Aug 08 00:07:01 there was a mysterious glow from end of bed Aug 08 00:07:01 how* Aug 08 00:07:08 N800 led is more scary Aug 08 00:07:16 spinningcompass, hmm? Aug 08 00:07:23 crashanddie: you should have edited /etc/mce/mce.ini instead of covering it Aug 08 00:07:24 lcuk: n/m Aug 08 00:07:28 crashanddie: that's just a question of LED drive - you can always drive it with half power... if you think about it up-front :) Aug 08 00:07:30 TiagoTiago: well, they use the same power, but they just output more or less light Aug 08 00:07:31 it flashes and I think "oh shit thunderstorm how much stuff did I lose?" :) Aug 08 00:07:51 achipa: oh yeah, definitely, just trying to explain to TiagoTiago why it doesn't make any real difference Aug 08 00:08:10 achipa: I think he's trying to get us to conclude that the led is preventing his n900 from charging quickly Aug 08 00:08:18 which is completely wrong, obviously Aug 08 00:08:26 then why when it lights up white it looks blueish? Aug 08 00:08:51 most "white" leds have a tint - a warmth factor Aug 08 00:09:04 lcuk: except that blue would make it cold :P Aug 08 00:09:04 its very difficult to get true bload spectrum white out of LEDs Aug 08 00:09:22 lcuk: never liked the N900 led... the blue is to tamed, can hardly see in in daylight, and it's on the face, so not visible in pockets... Aug 08 00:09:26 jsut about all i've seen look blueish, there are these ones in my Poerball that look greenish for some reason Aug 08 00:09:43 at least the non RGB ones Aug 08 00:09:45 TiagoTiago: there is no such thing as white Aug 08 00:09:59 TiagoTiago, its because of the specific frequencies that LEDs put out Aug 08 00:10:04 hey ppl, anyone have any idea how i can fix this broken chat scrollbar? screen - http://realitygaps.com/screenfix.jpg Aug 08 00:10:09 TiagoTiago: just a mix of the spectrum your brain declares white Aug 08 00:10:23 realitygaps, still same problem, ack Aug 08 00:10:27 TiagoTiago: in colour, "white" is when every single colour is being emitted, this is nearly impossible using led (or any other light source, realistically speaking) Aug 08 00:10:32 lcuk: yep and on the road so cant flash Aug 08 00:10:34 do you want to try changing the theme in use Aug 08 00:10:46 white LEDs are actually UV LEDs with additional phosphorescent components to stimulate the eye receptors in a way that the eye thinks it's seeing white Aug 08 00:10:59 No they are not Aug 08 00:11:03 really? Aug 08 00:11:06 they are blue LEDs. Aug 08 00:11:11 i thought they were blue+phosphor Aug 08 00:11:14 lcuk: tried that doesnt seem to affect anything - its also only in the chat program, the other proggies are fine... was hoping maybe theres something i can reinstall via apt that would fix it Aug 08 00:11:19 or some config file to change Aug 08 00:11:22 With a yellowishred phosphor Aug 08 00:11:29 realitygaps, i have not seen that before now Aug 08 00:11:35 lcuk Aug 08 00:11:38 TiagoTiago: so depending on the quality and manufacturing process, you will have a tint (just look at the lightbulb that is illuminating your room, is it white? No) Aug 08 00:11:38 i thought they were UV +RGB phosphor Aug 08 00:11:44 atleast they turn angry blue when you push too much through them and the phosphor dies :) Aug 08 00:11:47 UV LEDs don't really exist. Aug 08 00:11:47 lcuk: yep havent seen any reference to it anywhere Aug 08 00:11:49 perhaps timeless would recognise this since its a skin ontop of the browser, but I am at a loss Aug 08 00:11:57 kinda like white fluorescent ligt bulbs Aug 08 00:11:58 As other than very, very deep blue. Aug 08 00:12:01 figured #maemo was the only place ppl would have any ideas Aug 08 00:12:08 realitygaps: reboot? Aug 08 00:12:12 * timeless looks up? Aug 08 00:12:14 realitygaps: looks like your GTK is broken Aug 08 00:12:16 crashanddie: done that Aug 08 00:12:23 timeless, hey ppl, anyone have any idea how i can fix this broken chat scrollbar? screen - http://realitygaps.com/screenfix.jpg Aug 08 00:12:26 crashanddie: yep only in chat Aug 08 00:12:33 it's because of Aug 08 00:12:36 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:?/led_current Aug 08 00:12:38 2 Aug 08 00:12:39 2 Aug 08 00:12:41 2 Aug 08 00:12:51 hrm Aug 08 00:12:53 which means all three LED are driven with 0.2mA Aug 08 00:13:00 thats what I said! Aug 08 00:13:03 the scrollbar was iirc supposed to be styled off Aug 08 00:13:18 a monumental amount of energy Aug 08 00:13:32 realitygaps, i have seen people skinning the chat window, so perhaps something corrupted on your skin Aug 08 00:13:35 timeless: it doesnt allow me to swipe to switch selection mode either Aug 08 00:13:41 achipa: definitely need a nuclear reactor for that Aug 08 00:13:41 make that r:4, g:3 and you got no more blueish white Aug 08 00:13:45 realitygaps: rm Aug 08 00:13:52 sounds like you disabled that extension? Aug 08 00:13:54 lcuk: tried changing the skin didnt seem to work to fix it Aug 08 00:13:55 does it work in browser? Aug 08 00:14:09 SpeedEvil: UV LED exist Aug 08 00:14:09 timeless: yes its fine in the browser Aug 08 00:14:13 so... Aug 08 00:14:14 of course they do Aug 08 00:14:17 anyway, I'm off to bed Aug 08 00:14:19 iirc conversations has a profile Aug 08 00:14:23 and everywhere else just the chats themselves are unstyled.. Aug 08 00:14:26 plus it's a cycle so most of the time it's less Aug 08 00:14:30 night #maemo, night lcuk Aug 08 00:14:32 you can try to figure out if the profile is broken or something Aug 08 00:14:32 conversations app is fine Aug 08 00:14:43 timeless: any pointers? Aug 08 00:15:01 strace? Aug 08 00:15:06 realitygaps, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36618 Aug 08 00:15:30 I'm off to PUB and B2E-R Aug 08 00:15:32 lcuk: yep ive been digging through that thread but it seems unrelated Aug 08 00:15:39 profiles generally are in ~/ Aug 08 00:15:44 strace is your friend Aug 08 00:15:47 lcuk: all the styles in the thread show with that scrollbar on mine Aug 08 00:15:53 TiagoTiago: think about it this way - if that monster-LED on the N810 isn't preventing it going on for over a week, it can't really be a drag on charging either :) Aug 08 00:15:55 that or looking at the /proc//fd Aug 08 00:15:56 timeless: hmm, that might be a bit over my head. Aug 08 00:16:07 realitygaps: strace isn't that hard Aug 08 00:16:11 realitygaps, hrm? you mean every one of the custom styles have the same problem? Aug 08 00:16:13 ok ill take a look at it Aug 08 00:16:18 lcuk: yep it seems that way Aug 08 00:16:20 but checking fd/ is easier Aug 08 00:16:27 realitygaps, then you have your issue Aug 08 00:16:36 timeless: when the chat is running? Aug 08 00:16:38 read the thread and see how people restore the default Aug 08 00:16:48 i hate that big threads have no overview wiki Aug 08 00:16:49 realitygaps: fd/ when it's running Aug 08 00:16:51 lcuk: by restoring their backups Aug 08 00:16:55 or even a screenshot overview Aug 08 00:17:01 realitygaps, tell us what files Aug 08 00:17:18 we can try sending them to you if that may help? Aug 08 00:17:31 the strace would be best if done by using -f on the browserd server and then killing the current conversations process Aug 08 00:17:45 lcuk /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html directory is the styling Aug 08 00:18:36 timeless: catting the /proc/1101/fd/x doesnt give me anything, what am i looking for Aug 08 00:18:42 ok realitygaps go into that folder and tell me the datestamps of the files Aug 08 00:19:01 you shouldn't be catting Aug 08 00:19:03 just ls'ing Aug 08 00:19:11 the question is which directories does it use Aug 08 00:19:20 if you're lucky, it'll hint at the profile directory Aug 08 00:19:34 they are all numbers Aug 08 00:19:43 ls -l /proc/1101/fd Aug 08 00:21:39 all are sockets Aug 08 00:22:42 which process are you looking at? Aug 08 00:22:46 you should be looking at a browserd Aug 08 00:23:28 ah browserd Aug 08 00:23:30 sorry Aug 08 00:23:35 np Aug 08 00:23:41 you didn't claim to be an expert Aug 08 00:25:05 .mozilla Aug 08 00:25:06 :) Aug 08 00:25:40 '/rtcom Aug 08 00:26:29 lcuk: i overwrote them a few times trying to restore it so they will be recent Aug 08 00:26:56 try renaming that directory .mozilla/rtcom-bad Aug 08 00:27:00 and then killing the process Aug 08 00:27:06 yep, did that and rebooted Aug 08 00:27:12 didnt think to kill the process Aug 08 00:33:20 didnt work :( Aug 08 00:45:06 good morning Aug 08 00:45:19 TermanaN900: Morning! Aug 08 00:47:36 morning Aug 08 00:57:37 do you know of a program that will run in the background and monitor the progs running and then pop up a window saying somthing like "prog X is making the system run slow, would you like to endtask it?" whenever a program is making other programs and the interface itself be unresponsive ? Aug 08 00:59:18 TiagoTiago, you mean like the dialog that already comes up when the program is making the system unresponsive to end the task? Aug 08 00:59:55 tiagotiago: would you like to be told that the browser you're using to watch a full screen flash video is using all of your cpu? Aug 08 01:00:14 in general, i want something which does something like what you want Aug 08 01:00:21 but the impl needs to be very different Aug 08 01:00:34 i don't think i've seen that one, i've only got a msg when closign an unresponsive or when the unresponsive program is the one on screen and it won't respond to several clicks on it Aug 08 01:00:43 more or less, it needs to capture process lists for time periods Aug 08 01:00:51 and then ask the user what they were using Aug 08 01:01:14 anyway, it isn't trivial to get this right Aug 08 01:01:21 but the really naive impl will suck Aug 08 01:03:40 check how much each process is using, check which process has focus and check if it is responding to input or even having enough processor time to work Aug 08 01:05:36 doesn't work for browser Aug 08 01:05:49 the process using cpu is not the process which handles input Aug 08 01:05:54 why? Aug 08 01:06:00 process split Aug 08 01:06:04 the ui process handles events Aug 08 01:06:10 the daemon does the work Aug 08 01:06:21 when the daemon crashes, it restarts and the user continues Aug 08 01:06:42 yeah, i know, it's not for detecting when the currently focused prog is unresponsive, it's for checking when other progs are making everythign unresponsive Aug 08 01:20:14 hi, help! I cannot turn on my n900. I've never done anything too advanced to the phone. The last thing I did was to charge it. Then hit the power button (which displays a menu) from the menu I hit "turn off" Aug 08 01:20:55 newbie0007: What happens when you hold down the power button to turn it on? Aug 08 01:21:00 Does the LED light up at all? Aug 08 01:21:16 Nothing, held it down for 1 minute. No lights at all Aug 08 01:21:37 newbie0007: You said you charged it fully before this? Aug 08 01:21:38 I've had it for less than a year I think Aug 08 01:21:50 newbie0007: it hasn't been out for a year, so good guess. :P Aug 08 01:22:00 Did you try pulling the battery and reinserting it? Aug 08 01:22:08 It was charging, then got a phone call, then power button, then though software turned it off Aug 08 01:22:28 no I'll try the battery... Aug 08 01:23:37 derrr... Aug 08 01:23:42 it's working Aug 08 01:24:01 actually it's back to normal which is also hard to turn on Aug 08 01:24:23 first button gets the light and "Nokia" and second button longer boots it Aug 08 01:24:39 thanks, I was worried I'd have to reflash it or something Aug 08 01:24:49 newbie0007: "second button"? Do you mean "second press"? Aug 08 01:24:55 yes Aug 08 01:24:57 Oh. Aug 08 01:25:16 You should be able to just hold down until it pulses the vibra motor, and the light goes out, and then it will boot. Aug 08 01:25:32 The light and delay are presumably there to make sure you don't accidentally boot it. Aug 08 01:27:00 ah Aug 08 01:27:24 thansk for your help I was freaking out Aug 08 01:28:27 newbie0007: No problem. :) Aug 08 01:35:06 how do i get the programs/shortcuts that the simcard provides on regular phones to show on the N900? Aug 08 01:35:18 … Aug 08 01:35:20 you don't. Aug 08 01:35:26 why not? Aug 08 01:35:35 SIM cards don't provide such things? O.o Aug 08 01:35:39 what programs? Aug 08 01:35:47 they do sadly Aug 08 01:35:54 it's an ancient piece of crap Aug 08 01:36:03 there are thigns like boorkmarks for the operator's site, shortcuts to operator funcitonalities etc Aug 08 01:36:04 stupid telcom industry Aug 08 01:36:22 those are directly on the sim? Aug 08 01:36:24 yes. Aug 08 01:36:26 yep Aug 08 01:36:29 or preloaded onto phone Aug 08 01:36:31 ahh ok Aug 08 01:36:36 * lcuk never knew Aug 08 01:36:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_Application_Toolkit Aug 08 01:36:51 it's like the stupidity of DVD menus Aug 08 01:36:53 but worse Aug 08 01:36:59 I believe they are SIM services, whatever your phone provider has Aug 08 01:37:28 over here it's common to have the sim card come iwht the things, running the N73 withou a sim card shows none of them, putting one operator's simcard shows the stuff from them, putting another operator's simcard shows theirs instead Aug 08 01:39:11 sims should be data Aug 08 01:39:13 not programs Aug 08 01:39:16 * timeless grumbles Aug 08 01:39:24 lol Aug 08 01:39:24 as i said, stupid telcom industry crap Aug 08 01:39:50 why is ther N900 not compatible witht hat standard? Aug 08 01:39:59 the* Aug 08 01:40:06 think of it was the lame app platform that predated WAP Aug 08 01:40:11 and remember how good WAP was Aug 08 01:40:12 TiagoTiago: because N900 isn't a phone Aug 08 01:40:34 well, to a certain extent that is correct, but still, it does use the GSM standard for lots of stuff Aug 08 01:40:36 tiagotiago: it doesn't support RFC2324 either Aug 08 01:40:40 and that's definitely a crime Aug 08 01:40:44 what is that one? Aug 08 01:40:47 but well. not all phones can support RFC2324 Aug 08 01:41:28 ah Aug 08 01:41:46 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=RFC2324 Aug 08 01:41:49 HTCPCP Aug 08 01:41:55 it's critical! Aug 08 01:42:05 it's an absolute crime that it isn't supported Aug 08 01:42:26 hehe Aug 08 01:43:16 if HTCPCP was more widely used and often used with cell phones, i would expect it to also work with the N900 Aug 08 01:43:27 Search Results Aug 08 01:43:27 Grace Hopper - Wikiquote Aug 08 01:43:29 7 Mar 2010 ... The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. Aug 08 01:43:36 lol Aug 08 01:43:56 that quote seems to be more related to conflicting standards than standards that work together Aug 08 01:44:49 well Aug 08 01:45:08 when you make a product, you get to choose the number of standards to support Aug 08 01:45:32 each standard conflicts in that it competes for attention, time and resources Aug 08 01:46:27 and how much anyone gives a shit Aug 08 01:46:58 well thanks timeless for hte overview for SIM toolkit Aug 08 01:47:01 ok, but when you make a product that belongs to a class of products you usually have the standards of that clas of product implemented, i know officially the N900 is not a phone, but a computer, but the team that worked ont he phone functionality of the computer should have made a bigger effort to have the phone fucntionality be compatible witrh the standards most devices with mobile phone... Aug 08 01:47:03 ...functionality are expected to have Aug 08 01:47:19 what I cnanot find is how important it is Aug 08 01:47:29 the Aug 08 01:47:30 cannot Aug 08 01:48:01 um Aug 08 01:48:11 I realise for now but its whether if I hear anything about it I should be keeping ears pricked Aug 08 01:48:11 previous phones from nokia had support for WAP Aug 08 01:48:19 it was a commonly supported PoC Aug 08 01:48:24 that doesn't mean we supported it Aug 08 01:48:26 it was crap Aug 08 01:48:30 it still is crap Aug 08 01:48:39 baggage needs to die occasionally Aug 08 01:49:07 i'm not questioning the quality of the uses people made of standards Aug 08 01:49:09 note that it's ~5am, so please excuse any typos included in my rants Aug 08 01:49:20 no worries Aug 08 01:49:24 oh, WAP is crap w/o users Aug 08 01:49:28 it was crap as a standard Aug 08 01:49:42 STK is stupid in that it was designed by people who didn't consider the real world Aug 08 01:49:48 lol Aug 08 01:49:53 i do not need nor do i have a use for an application which only speaks Finnish Aug 08 01:49:59 where can i read more about why those standards where no good? Aug 08 01:50:20 do you have a use for an application which only speaks Finnish? Aug 08 01:50:26 i presume you speak Portuguese Aug 08 01:50:27 timeless, the *principle* of WAP was sound afaik, get a simplified but functional web front to the end user Aug 08 01:50:35 mostly replaced by "mobile optimised pages" Aug 08 01:50:53 lcuk: it assumed that there would be large adoption of a system Aug 08 01:50:59 yes Aug 08 01:51:04 large adoption would require better bandwidth than the providers had Aug 08 01:51:17 thus it couldnt work w/o the providers fixing a core network flaw Aug 08 01:51:24 this time luke-jr is actually right with his comment about "not a phone". On architectures like N900 with a main application processor and a separate modem chipset loosely coupled to the main system, you virtually can not support SAT Aug 08 01:51:29 having fixed the network flaw, the reason they wanted to do something made no sense Aug 08 01:51:53 it still makes sense to optimise and streamline the experience Aug 08 01:51:58 it also assumed instant adoption and ignored how cpu, computing, memory, etc behave in the face of moore's law Aug 08 01:51:59 SAT needs access to display, to keyboard.... Aug 08 01:52:06 but the implementation was borked I agree Aug 08 01:52:22 is there a free S60 emulator that can interface with the phone functionality of the N900? Aug 08 01:52:22 * timeless explained this last week over lunch Aug 08 01:52:45 no Aug 08 01:52:49 but you're free to write one Aug 08 01:52:52 symbian is open source Aug 08 01:52:57 so is qemu Aug 08 01:52:58 free is relative Aug 08 01:52:59 you do a lot of explaining over lunch :) i shall have to come see you if I get over soon Aug 08 01:53:11 * luke-jr wonders if the "modem" in teh N900 does in fact have GUI code with no display connected Aug 08 01:53:19 symbian could use a real emulator for their sdk, let alone other devices Aug 08 01:53:41 luke-jr, that is evil! Aug 08 01:53:42 the symbian "emulator" on windows is a joke Aug 08 01:53:48 morning Robot101 \o Aug 08 01:53:54 #ifdef EMULATOR Aug 08 01:54:01 behave totally differently Aug 08 01:54:02 what's wrong with it? Aug 08 01:54:03 #else Aug 08 01:54:04 hello Robot101 Aug 08 01:54:04 symbian could use a nice grave site for a final resting place Aug 08 01:54:06 die in a fire Aug 08 01:54:10 Robot101: call it User Mode Symbian Aug 08 01:54:10 #endif Aug 08 01:54:32 no, user mode linux ran unmodified binaries Aug 08 01:54:33 luke-jr, there are plenty of headless 3g phones around Aug 08 01:54:58 lcuk: like the ones i can stick into my usb port? Aug 08 01:55:04 mobile broadband dongles Aug 08 01:55:05 yeah Aug 08 01:55:14 some of those come w/ some really crappy windows software Aug 08 01:55:20 * timeless has used one or two Aug 08 01:55:35 modems should be dead simple Aug 08 01:55:41 i don't recall needing software for the one I had Aug 08 01:55:43 applications should be user controlled and user installed Aug 08 01:55:52 the n900 in usb acts nicely Aug 08 01:56:00 * timeless nods Aug 08 01:56:02 at least on ubuntu Aug 08 01:56:07 it's an exception Aug 08 01:56:24 yeah, never had an issue with it Aug 08 01:56:25 i have one. Linux works with it fine. But i too use my n900 instead for that purpose :P Aug 08 01:56:35 (now) Aug 08 01:57:48 * lcuk revisits links and ponders setting up irc to twitter Aug 08 01:59:04 how was curry Robot101 ? Aug 08 01:59:29 * lcuk had one @ trafford centre last night Aug 08 01:59:44 do yo9u know fo a program that will show where int he sky the GPS satelites are expected to be at any given moment? Aug 08 01:59:46 lcuk: tasty, then went to pub and into town to meet up some differemt folks at vodka revolution... not my usual scene! Aug 08 02:00:17 hah i am surprised you are concious then! vodke sends folks doolaly Aug 08 02:00:24 vodka too Aug 08 02:00:37 I'm a pro, what can I say... :P Aug 08 02:00:45 I only had... er... ok 7 drinks Aug 08 02:00:47 haha Aug 08 02:01:05 the girls were trying to get me drunk so I'd dance Aug 08 02:01:30 was it as bad as you expected or did you get into the swing of it? :D Aug 08 02:01:49 * lcuk managed to avoid dancing at the wedding last week Aug 08 02:03:10 it was as bad as I thought, not good music and not good people... :P Aug 08 02:03:23 hmm how is it you get an ircops attention on freenode? Aug 08 02:03:41 TermanaN900: #freenode - I'm already there... :P Aug 08 02:04:28 Robot101, for getting rid of that pesk or just there generally? :P Aug 08 02:05:09 Robot101, if you still did not like the dancing then the girls did not do a good job at getting you drunk! Aug 08 02:07:15 lcuk: well it closed at 2 just as I was getting ingo it Aug 08 02:07:21 TermanaN900: for that guy specifically Aug 08 02:08:09 Robot101, pint glasses are acceptible for vodka consumption in emergency situations. Aug 08 02:08:56 btw, the sim associated programs thingy is useful for those dualsim adapters for example Aug 08 02:11:33 wow the freenode staff aren't very responsive, we just got some metatrolls instead. how useful Aug 08 02:12:39 Robot101, they respect the channel domain thingy Aug 08 02:12:47 is there a GUI for editing the powerbutton menu? Aug 08 02:12:57 and once you get a namespace, you are expected to maintain it Aug 08 02:13:26 i read up about this lot when I was registering #liqbase Aug 08 02:13:42 I wanna add a button to run "sudo reboot now" Aug 08 02:14:00 TiagoTiago, theres a hardware button on top of your phone Aug 08 02:14:08 no reboot option there Aug 08 02:14:08 afaik if you press and hold it does just that ;) Aug 08 02:14:26 tiagitiago: it's based on xml files Aug 08 02:14:29 i thought it shut it down instead Aug 08 02:14:31 they're trivial to write Aug 08 02:14:33 lcuk: There's a package that adds reboot Aug 08 02:14:35 maybe it shuts down instead ahh Aug 08 02:14:42 yeah i have seen jaem Aug 08 02:14:50 timeless: I didn't know it was that simple. Whereabouts would I find said XML? Aug 08 02:14:53 -files Aug 08 02:15:02 somewhere in /? :) Aug 08 02:15:04 try /etc/ Aug 08 02:15:15 timeless: Okay, I'll poke around. Aug 08 02:15:27 but seriously, install one that does something useful Aug 08 02:15:29 and read it Aug 08 02:15:31 jaem, plenty of noise about it on tmo, use google Aug 08 02:16:02 lcuk: Yes, sorry. I was just asking if anyone knew the path off-hand. I'll look it up. :) Aug 08 02:16:04 i use the one that lets me turn off cellular w/o turning off wifi Aug 08 02:16:07 or something like that Aug 08 02:16:24 tablet mode Aug 08 02:16:27 how does that work and what would be the purpose? Aug 08 02:16:39 saves on roaming costs? Aug 08 02:16:43 oh, i see Aug 08 02:16:46 TiagoTiago, simply disables the 3g modem Aug 08 02:16:49 TiagoTiago: If you want to save battery when you don't need phone functionality? Aug 08 02:16:51 i thought you meant it shut downthe device Aug 08 02:17:02 e.g. i called my sister via gtalk today Aug 08 02:17:10 well, yesterday? Aug 08 02:17:23 she was in an area where she would have had to pay for roaming Aug 08 02:17:34 had she had an n900, she could have used it in this mode Aug 08 02:17:47 and i wouldn't have gotten feedback from her speakers through her mic Aug 08 02:17:51 i thought it was for somthing like battery conservation wifihotspot mode or rmeote acess mode (everythign is kinda shutdown but you can still SSH to it and run commands remotly or somthing) Aug 08 02:17:54 (she used a laptop instead) Aug 08 02:18:03 it also saves on battery Aug 08 02:18:14 both are valuable Aug 08 02:36:50 echoremoval is better ont he N900 than ont he pc version of gtalk? Aug 08 02:43:21 anyone been able to preload any set of maps for maep? Aug 08 02:49:18 every now and then some program complains it can't be isntalled because there are some osso libs missing, where can i get all of the osso libs to end this issue? Aug 08 02:49:47 they're probably packages for maemo3 or maemo2 or maemo4 Aug 08 02:49:55 oh :( Aug 08 02:51:22 hm, one of them jsut now is the pc-connectivity manager, it says it got full support for the N90 among other devices Aug 08 02:51:51 the n90? Aug 08 02:51:58 N900* Aug 08 02:52:02 which symbian product is that, and why should i care? Aug 08 02:52:18 typo, one zero missing Aug 08 02:56:33 so, what can i do? Aug 08 02:56:44 TiagoTiago: where are these programs from? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 08 02:59:56 2010