**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 19 02:59:57 2010 Aug 19 04:13:55 pigeon: if you encounter same LED problem again, please do: lsmod|grep 5523 >pastebin.me; modprobe -r leds_lp5523; modprobe leds_lp5523 Aug 19 04:36:32 DocScrutinizer: ok Aug 19 05:16:37 yello Aug 19 05:16:45 blue Aug 19 05:30:39 punk Aug 19 05:30:48 err pink Aug 19 05:39:40 charteuse Aug 19 06:21:01 Morning, all Aug 19 06:21:27 jaffa,morning Aug 19 07:19:51 greetings Aug 19 07:19:58 "French police have arrested two teenage girls they say stole hundreds of euros from unsuspecting cash machine customers after distracting them by flashing their breasts." Aug 19 07:20:38 crafty Aug 19 07:21:05 clever Aug 19 07:21:15 to the guy that was asking... i bought a unofficial battery + external charger for 20€ shipped Aug 19 07:21:15 works Aug 19 07:25:47 100 euros from customers ( plural ) Aug 19 07:26:37 Is it possible to disable the update check that is performed as soon as an online connection is available? Aug 19 08:31:01 hi Aug 19 08:36:38 hello Aug 19 08:45:15 hi all Aug 19 08:45:21 I find Aug 19 08:45:54 sorry I found an update for maemo today what is it about ? Aug 19 09:34:31 Is it possible to disable the update check that is performed as soon as an online connection is available? Aug 19 09:37:27 I would need newer version for qt on my n800 Aug 19 09:37:33 But I guess they havent released any for maemo Aug 19 09:37:33 os2008 Aug 19 09:37:34 kismet doesn't work Aug 19 09:37:34 13WAAAAFQ, 64MAACCPN and 94SAAGLMX: You guys seriously look like bots, and I'm very much tempted to kickban you as a preventive measure... Aug 19 09:37:48 do it Aug 19 09:38:01 Kerio, i think it was working for some people before? Aug 19 09:38:22 but It's hard to find good information Aug 19 09:38:30 DocScrutinizer: 13WAAAAFQ has been around for a while AFAICT, never did anything Aug 19 09:38:38 Everything is so old Aug 19 09:38:49 well, the n800 is the youngest of devices, mate Aug 19 09:39:16 Ye, if you dont count n770 Aug 19 09:39:21 770 Aug 19 09:39:25 not "n770" Aug 19 09:39:49 Well you know what I mean Aug 19 09:40:04 netsplit side effect Aug 19 09:40:05 I were doing some programming for n800 last summer Aug 19 09:40:28 gtk++ and map engine from company Aug 19 09:40:51 But now I tried to put Qt on this and its too old to run any projects Aug 19 09:41:19 Or maybe it will run, if i just dont make deb from the projects Aug 19 09:41:56 Life of Newbie can be so hard sometimes ^^ Aug 19 09:44:15 ~ping Aug 19 09:44:17 ~pong Aug 19 09:44:26 ~pong Aug 19 09:44:27 ~ping Aug 19 09:44:52 strange, maybe some nick collision after a netsplit Aug 19 09:45:02 yup Aug 19 09:51:01 is it possible to add subtitles to vlc on n900? Aug 19 09:51:05 till__: Do you experience stalls on the beta obs too? Aug 19 09:51:46 what beta obs? Aug 19 09:52:51 Is the vlc good? Aug 19 09:53:02 Does it support harware acceleration Aug 19 09:53:29 X-Fade: you are our web-guru right? Aug 19 09:54:11 chem|st: "a", not yours :P Aug 19 09:54:19 X-Fade: doesn't belong to anyone, if only his wife Aug 19 09:54:44 s/:// Aug 19 09:54:44 crashanddie meant: X-Fade doesn't belong to anyone, if only his wife Aug 19 09:54:45 I mean he is doing some things with maemo.org?! Aug 19 09:55:02 yes Aug 19 09:55:07 kk Aug 19 09:55:38 X-Fade: did you setup the infraction system or who is to ask for it (dont want to blame initialy) Aug 19 10:02:19 lolcat93, yes vlc uses the GPU Aug 19 10:03:39 chem|st: what's up? Aug 19 10:08:39 <_0x47> Anyone knows how to correctly pass CFLAGS to a CDBS package? Aug 19 10:09:40 who highlighted me Aug 19 10:10:25 chem|st: I believe the infraction system is part of vbulletin Aug 19 10:12:48 it is Aug 19 10:12:52 it's on all forums Aug 19 10:13:00 (vBulliten ones) Aug 19 10:13:14 kerio: did you highlight me? Aug 19 10:13:39 mc_teo`: just check the bloody logs Aug 19 10:14:26 lol Aug 19 10:14:27 mc_teo` is there any python lib that deals with n900s wifi? Aug 19 10:14:40 kerio mc_teo`: os Aug 19 10:14:46 kerio import os; os.system("ifconfig wlan0 up") Aug 19 10:14:53 crashanddie: i did Aug 19 10:15:01 then why frigging ask? Aug 19 10:15:15 but i found also that chanserv removed operater status from me Aug 19 10:15:31 and since ive never held operator status here Aug 19 10:15:41 crashanddie: mmh there is something wrong with it... the total count and not the aactive count of infractions is base for 3infractions banning... Aug 19 10:15:43 you never had operator status Aug 19 10:15:46 * MohammadAG51 facepalms Aug 19 10:15:53 i did not trust the logs integrity Aug 19 10:16:04 _0x47, often there are switches in the beginning of the rules file.. somertimes they work ;) Aug 19 10:16:37 chem|st, ask Reggie Aug 19 10:16:47 is abill_uk banned yet? Aug 19 10:17:00 MohammadAG51: did anything happen to your status btw? Aug 19 10:17:17 http://pastebin.com/J6J1sU18 Aug 19 10:17:21 crashanddie: see? Aug 19 10:17:22 hmm, on the forums? nope Aug 19 10:17:24 Stskeepz is he from tmo ? Aug 19 10:17:32 Stskeepz: lol nope but some people are playing up the last few days Aug 19 10:17:33 i think i remember his nick Aug 19 10:17:40 ZogG: yes Aug 19 10:17:51 why would you ban him Aug 19 10:18:06 ZogG: flameatory troll Aug 19 10:18:07 he is annoying sometimes but still there are a lot of trolls there while he is ok Aug 19 10:18:45 <_0x47> mece: I have this site: http://debathena.mit.edu/packaging/ and it seems to say I'd just have to use the "CFLAGS += nostrip noopy" line. In fact I don't know if the += (or even :=) is correct, and I don't know if I'd have to use "-nostrip -noopt" (with -). I just know the build fails with "final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output" as soon as I add the CFLAGS entry in debian/rules. :( Aug 19 10:18:49 ZogG: cause any thread he joins turns into a moderator/nokia/members flamewar Aug 19 10:19:06 <_0x47> noopt* Aug 19 10:19:43 chem|st, have you warn him? Aug 19 10:20:06 ZogG: he was warned several times and timebanned also Aug 19 10:20:07 he was banned numerous times Aug 19 10:20:09 fucking hell Aug 19 10:20:13 mc_teo`: the official logs disagree with your version of things: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-19.log.html Aug 19 10:20:27 crashanddie: it was during a netsplit Aug 19 10:20:51 chem|st, so ban him, but it's not that hard to make new account Aug 19 10:20:57 i lagged out and auto rejoined Aug 19 10:21:00 mc_teo`: well, then it could be you joined #maemo on a server where it didn't exist, so you got op status Aug 19 10:21:07 mc_teo`: then as the services rejoined, and synched, you were de-opped Aug 19 10:21:20 mc_teo`: your logs are valid, they just reflect the inner working of the servers Aug 19 10:21:27 i think that is the most logical conclusion Aug 19 10:22:15 anyway, going for lunch, 'later all Aug 19 10:23:00 ZogG: sure it isn't but he will get banned for that again and again... Aug 19 10:24:59 crashanddie bon appetite Aug 19 10:25:15 chem|st, okay - there are some annoying guys on forum Aug 19 10:25:24 as well as new ones Aug 19 10:25:30 mc_teo`: freenode had a hickup... nothing special... Aug 19 10:25:43 and if yu ban nokia worker ? =) Aug 19 10:25:46 chem|st: i wasnt arguing about that Aug 19 10:26:02 ZogG: link? Aug 19 10:26:12 <_0x47> mece: Don't leave me alone! Aug 19 10:26:16 chem|st for? Aug 19 10:26:26 nokia worker? Aug 19 10:26:39 ZogG: or was that a joke? Aug 19 10:27:23 I feel left alone sometimes, brainstorm is exploding, trolls are growing to dwarfs... Aug 19 10:27:49 chem|st, i mean theoretically if you ban nokia worker Aug 19 10:28:08 ZogG: nokians are part of the community, no special treatment Aug 19 10:28:12 chem|st, brainstorm is not working that much =( Aug 19 10:28:45 Stskeepz, i know - but if you ban some big nokia guy and they holdig server - i don't think it will go that well Aug 19 10:28:49 damn netsplit crap earlier :P Aug 19 10:29:08 TermanaN900, netsplits are tasty Aug 19 10:29:22 Nokia employees are generally a lot more polkite though, as they have their job at stake :) Aug 19 10:30:43 Stskeepz: i say ban all the damn nokia employees! ;-) Aug 19 10:30:43 is anyone else getting a Maemo update shown? (on PR1.2) Aug 19 10:31:26 frals =) Aug 19 10:31:30 TermanaN900: can you click on it and look at the details? Aug 19 10:31:34 * TermanaN900 slaps frals around with a bit of MohammadAG51 Aug 19 10:31:45 frals, what for? just quil or what is his nick? Aug 19 10:31:48 TermanaN900: See what it wants to update? Aug 19 10:31:58 * MohammadAG51 grumbles Aug 19 10:32:08 TermanaN900 maybe MohammadAG51 package? Aug 19 10:32:18 X-Fade, heh for some reason it thinks multiboot is a Maemo package Aug 19 10:32:18 * MohammadAG51 slaps TermanaN900 with 10 tonne ACME anvil Aug 19 10:32:24 ZogG: im just kidding ;) Aug 19 10:32:40 Maemo (system) package Aug 19 10:32:42 frals and i'm not ._. Aug 19 10:32:45 TermanaN900: hmmm Aug 19 10:32:45 :P Aug 19 10:32:45 wtf Aug 19 10:33:12 TermanaN900, do you have scrolling fix MohammadAG51 made? Aug 19 10:33:25 TermanaN900, if you have multiboot installed and there's an update it's shown as a Maemo update Aug 19 10:33:32 XB-Maemo-Flags Aug 19 10:33:36 ZogG, hmm, no? Aug 19 10:33:41 that way a user can't install it Aug 19 10:33:56 s/install/uninstall/ Aug 19 10:33:58 MohammadAG51 meant: that way a user can't uninstall it Aug 19 10:34:42 TermanaN900, i think i had a mamemo upate several days ago and it was something with kernel Aug 19 10:34:50 * TermanaN900 hits MohammadAG51 over the head with an N900 Aug 19 10:35:10 thats what you get for presenting non-system updates as system updates Aug 19 10:36:09 TermanaN900, i think this one is maintained by MohammadAG51 as well Aug 19 10:36:26 yeah i got that last night Aug 19 10:36:32 didnt install it though Aug 19 10:36:50 TermanaN900, blame the notifier Aug 19 10:37:14 ZogG, for devel yes, I maintain the package Aug 19 10:37:17 MohammadAG51: is it nessidary? Aug 19 10:37:23 blame MohammadAG51 for setting the flags! Aug 19 10:37:24 nessisary* Aug 19 10:37:28 burn him! BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn Aug 19 10:37:40 blame crashanddie for forcing me to do it Aug 19 10:37:52 btw what are we talking about? Aug 19 10:37:53 ah now i understand Aug 19 10:37:53 TermanaN900, it was "Enhanced Linux kernel for power users " Aug 19 10:37:58 crashanddie Aug 19 10:38:17 re Aug 19 10:38:20 frals, setting an XB-Maemo-Flags: trout-package on an app Aug 19 10:38:51 hmpf! Aug 19 10:39:05 yes, guess you can do that on your packages with the amount of trout youve been slapped with! Aug 19 10:39:36 ban crashanddie while he is at lunch =) Aug 19 10:39:45 ~frals Aug 19 10:39:47 i guess frals is a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS Aug 19 10:40:23 ~MohammedAG Aug 19 10:40:54 TermanaN900, fail :P Aug 19 10:41:38 infobot, MohammadAG is a package maintainer that would jump off a cliff if crashanddie asked him to Aug 19 10:41:39 ...but mohammadag is already something else... Aug 19 10:41:44 fuck you Aug 19 10:41:46 :P Aug 19 10:41:58 ~forget MohammadAG Aug 19 10:41:58 jacekowski: i forgot mohammadag Aug 19 10:42:02 try now Aug 19 10:42:05 infobot, MohammadAG is a package maintainer that would jump off a cliff if crashanddie asked him to Aug 19 10:42:06 TermanaN900: okay Aug 19 10:42:24 :D Aug 19 10:42:35 Where's the docs on sending sms via dbus? Aug 19 10:42:56 alterego, wiki.maemo.org/Phone_Control Aug 19 10:43:08 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle ? Aug 19 10:43:34 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Aug 19 10:43:55 The wiki front page/navigation is scht ... Aug 19 10:44:00 Thanks TermanaN900 Aug 19 10:44:13 http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/diffutils-2.8.1/man/cmp.1?force=1 Aug 19 10:44:15 err Aug 19 10:44:52 http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/735568.html <- hmm Aug 19 10:47:29 Stskeepz, interesting Aug 19 10:51:59 i still can't figure out how nokia can't plug that leak Aug 19 10:52:37 also, is that a stupid leaker or what Aug 19 10:52:56 hmm Aug 19 10:52:56 barcodes, hardware ids.. Aug 19 10:53:04 Stskeepz: i was just thinking that Aug 19 10:53:10 someone's going to prison Aug 19 10:53:10 :P Aug 19 10:53:17 or court, dunno Aug 19 10:53:17 :P Aug 19 10:53:48 what leak is this? Aug 19 10:54:09 then again, this could theoretically be a KIRF running meego Aug 19 10:55:08 Damn it thats pissing me off Aug 19 10:55:22 After i finally have my N800 as i like it to be Aug 19 10:55:30 My N900's data connection just disconnects for no reason Aug 19 10:55:34 Anyway Aug 19 10:55:41 is there any way to make a full backup of this system? Aug 19 10:55:48 Stskeepz, that leak looks like an N8 except with MeeGo on it Aug 19 10:55:52 aka UGLY Aug 19 10:55:52 So i dont have to reinstall everything step by step Aug 19 10:57:06 heh, n9 is looking good Aug 19 10:57:26 timeless: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/ Aug 19 10:58:09 oh, i only care about memory leaks Aug 19 10:58:32 Hmm that baidu page is already 8 days old. Took a long time to reach engadget ;) Aug 19 10:58:40 people obviously don't read chinese Aug 19 10:58:57 Stskeepz: Minor detail :) Aug 19 10:59:52 But yeah, imei printed on the back cover ;) Aug 19 11:00:09 X-Fade, Well, it is Engadget :P Aug 19 11:00:43 Also Engadget has chinese writers, so... Aug 19 11:03:59 damn.. that "N9" has a certain WANT to it... Aug 19 11:04:17 is it me or did nokia go E66 style for all there future phones? Aug 19 11:04:32 seriously, the N8 is a bigger E66, minus the slider Aug 19 11:05:03 he is great how did he got n9 ? Aug 19 11:05:08 MohammadAG51, umm.. huh? Aug 19 11:05:09 and n9 looks terrible =( Aug 19 11:05:34 mece, compare the E66 with the N8 Aug 19 11:05:45 ZogG, easy, there's a bastard leaking them Aug 19 11:06:16 MohammadAG51, why bastard? Aug 19 11:06:37 takes out the wow effect when a company announces a device Aug 19 11:06:45 "Meh, seen it on engadget" Aug 19 11:06:59 take a look at apple Aug 19 11:07:06 their devices rarely leak Aug 19 11:07:11 (when they do however...) Aug 19 11:07:29 MohammadAG51 and their devices mostly the same Aug 19 11:07:31 N97, N900, N8, N9, were all leaked on eldar's site Aug 19 11:07:44 when iphone4 leaked it was funny Aug 19 11:07:46 MohammadAG51, well, they both have slightly similar rounded corners. That's about it. Aug 19 11:08:09 everyone said it's awfull but when it was released everyone liked it -) Aug 19 11:08:28 mece, and the bottom part also looks the same Aug 19 11:08:49 the bottom part is the same as the top part, isn't it. Aug 19 11:08:51 anyway Aug 19 11:08:56 I think the N8 is pretty. Aug 19 11:09:34 particularly the blue and orange ones. Aug 19 11:09:43 <_0x47> mece: Do you know CDBS? Aug 19 11:09:59 _0x47, doesn't ring a bell. Aug 19 11:11:19 Note down the imei, could give us Harmattan in the future :D Aug 19 11:11:22 _0x47, looks interesting though. I hate packaging, so anything that is simple is good. Aug 19 11:11:23 <_0x47> mece: Okay, that's my problem. It's different from default debian packaging, and I cannot set the CFLAGS as usualy. In fact my debian/rules consists of two lines. Check out http://debathena.mit.edu/packaging/ maybe you can help me sort that out? Aug 19 11:11:24 * alterego coffs Aug 19 11:11:37 alterego: traditionally proto IMEI's don't work with download sites Aug 19 11:11:38 :P Aug 19 11:11:54 Note down the imei, could give us Harmattan in the future :D LOL Aug 19 11:11:55 mece: then dh7 would be for you, except that it won't work in fremantle autobuilders Aug 19 11:12:04 it will Aug 19 11:12:10 install debhelper7 Aug 19 11:12:17 is it available? Aug 19 11:12:19 that's nice Aug 19 11:12:26 yes, backport Aug 19 11:12:28 ok Aug 19 11:12:32 named debhelper7 Aug 19 11:12:38 then you want >= 7.0.50~ if possible Aug 19 11:12:41 you'll need to set some flags in debian/rules Aug 19 11:12:43 (so you can use overrides) Aug 19 11:13:07 Stskeepz, but you can always leak us some of imeis =) Aug 19 11:13:21 <_0x47> mece: Yeah, the biggest problem is, that the original package already includes a debian/ dir, which makes use of CDBS. And if I remove it, trying to use a default generated debian dir (dh_make), the build fails. So I have to stick with it, but neet to define CFLAGS nostrip and noopt Aug 19 11:13:34 Don't like the camera without slide :/ Aug 19 11:13:43 No kickstand Aug 19 11:13:53 <_0x47> I already use dephelper7 btw Aug 19 11:14:02 And it looks huge Aug 19 11:14:02 <_0x47> what does it make for an difference? Aug 19 11:14:15 alterego: huge? Aug 19 11:14:31 Screen looks good size though, I think I could own one of those :) Aug 19 11:14:34 alterego: nothing can be huge sitting next to an n900 :) Aug 19 11:14:37 i like n900 Aug 19 11:14:42 only better battery Aug 19 11:14:49 and maybe little bit smaller Aug 19 11:14:52 it's too fat Aug 19 11:15:03 yeah, I wouldn't be against some mm off Aug 19 11:15:07 then you are too weak! Aug 19 11:15:49 Can't see any spectacular speaker areas either, so I'm presuming it doesn't have any decent loud speakers :/ Aug 19 11:16:19 have you ever tried it alterego ? Aug 19 11:16:28 which is nice, actually, I hate people listening to music on phone speakers Aug 19 11:16:49 Corsac, i hate people. Aug 19 11:16:53 :) Aug 19 11:17:25 _0x47, well I tried to set optimization flags on a normal autotools build but it simply never listened to me at all. It was very confusing and annoying. Aug 19 11:17:34 _0x47, so good luck with that. Aug 19 11:17:39 which is nice, actually, I hate people listening to music on phone speakers Aug 19 11:17:50 you know, sometimes people want a decent alarm Aug 19 11:17:59 <_0x47> mece: Yes, you said it: confusing and annoying >< Thanks anyways! Aug 19 11:18:01 I have to use a stereo system on my N900 to wake up Aug 19 11:18:15 just tape it to your wrist and make it vibrate Aug 19 11:18:31 (and I never had a problem waking up with my n900) Aug 19 11:18:49 tape the n900 to the wrist and make it vibrate hmmmm.. (getting funny ideas) Aug 19 11:19:20 i wake up normally Aug 19 11:19:33 Appiah that one goes not to wrist Aug 19 11:20:10 _0x47, working on vcmi? Aug 19 11:20:40 <_0x47> mece: yeah Aug 19 11:21:49 <_0x47> i hate cdbs Aug 19 11:23:46 _0x47 and i like cddb Aug 19 11:23:59 i just found a weird fucking cable... standard sata on one end, and then a block on the other end with sata and the sata power connector Aug 19 11:25:33 <_0x47> ZogG: cdbs not cddb Aug 19 11:25:43 <_0x47> common debian build system Aug 19 11:25:55 <_0x47> but somehow it's not even close to common Aug 19 11:26:33 _0x47, i know but i still love cddb Aug 19 11:27:32 <_0x47> lol Aug 19 11:29:18 _0x47, ok seems that CDBS checks DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for noopt, so I guess.. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := noopt,nostrip Aug 19 11:30:38 <_0x47> mece: let me try, thanks! Aug 19 11:34:18 I come back to my computer to find my cat has typed things and is sitting on my keyboard Aug 19 11:36:06 Termana, anything artistic that he typed? Aug 19 11:37:02 lcuk, she actually. But other than that, I think so! Because when I looked, she had parted me from several channels before disconnecting me Aug 19 11:37:10 Sinister plot against me Aug 19 11:37:45 Termana, thats quite an adept kitty! Aug 19 11:37:52 is it a laptop? Aug 19 11:38:00 Is there any way to change what these physical buttons are doing? Aug 19 11:38:04 n800 Aug 19 11:39:28 lcuk, a netbook connected to an external monitor and external keyboard/mouse. However, the cat was sitting on top of the netbook's keyboard Aug 19 11:39:43 hmm Foob for all apps? or for just one? which buttons are wrong and what do you want them to do? Aug 19 11:39:52 Termana, warmth :P Aug 19 11:39:54 lcuk, even more evidence of its smartness and sinister plot! It could do all that on the small netbook keyboard Aug 19 11:39:59 hmm, how i should explane this... Aug 19 11:39:59 lcuk, :P Aug 19 11:40:25 In the middle of arrow buttons there is button, what makes virtual keyboard fullscreen Aug 19 11:40:43 I want to have it behave like enter button Aug 19 11:42:07 How can I disable the update check of the program manager after a connection is established? Aug 19 11:42:34 ag0ny, you can dig into gconf and change the delay between updates to something like 100 years Aug 19 11:42:37 Foob, hmm Aug 19 11:42:55 lcuk: dig into gconf? Aug 19 11:43:05 lcuk: How do I do that? Aug 19 11:44:02 Hilarity: Nokia architect on meego-dev says that because people want to separate their calendars on device, having only one syncable calendar is sensible. Aug 19 11:45:07 Jaffa: that's what open development is for.. Aug 19 11:45:11 argue Aug 19 11:45:11 :P Aug 19 11:45:41 smart would be giving people the choice which one to sync Aug 19 11:48:20 Stskeeps: I have. Aug 19 11:49:20 smooph: Smart would be allowing each calendar to be synced or local, with different sync services and transports for each; possibly reusing the same one. For example, two MfE, one CalDAV, one local. Aug 19 11:51:34 <_0x47> mece: doesn't work but seems like DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS does not check for nostrip, only for noopt. I'll try with CLFAGS += nostrip and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := noopt Aug 19 11:51:37 Jaffa: i read it as only one calendar synced with a given service Aug 19 11:52:24 frals Jaffa - which mail thread is this on (subject?) Aug 19 11:52:28 .. and now i read your reply, so nvm me ;) Aug 19 11:52:34 [MeeGo-dev] Buteo / data synchronization in MeeGo: hello world! Aug 19 11:52:48 lcuk: Can I also set update_when_connected_by to 0 to avoid update checks? Aug 19 11:53:04 lcuk: Or is there somewhere a list that explains all settings? Aug 19 11:53:14 ag0ny, I don't know, but search google for that keyword will likely find people discussing it Aug 19 11:54:08 lcuk: Aye, for Apple, HTC and Ubuntu :D Aug 19 11:54:29 then prefix with maemo Aug 19 11:54:37 Jaffa: I second that Aug 19 11:55:02 lcuk: Nothing Aug 19 11:55:16 lcuk: I did search google! Aug 19 11:55:34 so where did you find out there was a "update_when_connected_by" variable in the first place? Aug 19 11:55:56 gconftool-2 -R /apps | grep update Aug 19 11:56:32 i wonder who are those guys that are comming to TMO announcing something new and disappear ? Nokians? Aug 19 11:56:52 ZogG, example plz Aug 19 11:57:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60660 Aug 19 11:57:47 ag0ny, what path in gconf? Aug 19 11:58:22 lcuk, don't know as grep does not show it, as it seems Aug 19 11:58:51 lcuk, give me a second. I am trying something Aug 19 11:58:56 ZogG, well I guess it's someone from the pyside team :) also, Nice! Aug 19 11:59:49 ag0ny, I have heard of people changing "some" setting for update times, you will have to dig I have stuff to do Aug 19 12:00:42 lcuk: Hm... Aug 19 12:01:16 MohammadAG51, MohammadAG51 MohammadAG51 Aug 19 12:01:23 ??? Aug 19 12:01:23 lcuk: Ok, Ill try. But guess Ill keep asking on. I wonder if I am really the only one getting upset that everytime I need to quickly check something online, I am delayed by the update checks Aug 19 12:01:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check Aug 19 12:01:37 you are the only one who cannot google ;) Aug 19 12:01:58 MohammadAG51 ps3 hacked? Aug 19 12:02:08 LOL don't hold your breath Aug 19 12:02:08 lcuk: Thanks. Sorry...I really search for this Aug 19 12:02:19 MohammadAG51 srsly Aug 19 12:02:20 searched Aug 19 12:02:23 np Aug 19 12:02:29 sometimes keywords dont jump out Aug 19 12:03:00 ZogG, debug unit, no Aug 19 12:03:03 frals: Maybe, but it seemed to be an argument for repeating what the N900 allowed you to do... Aug 19 12:03:23 MohammadAG51, www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOEbZEkp9A&feature=player_embedded Aug 19 12:03:33 ZogG, heh just watching that.. Aug 19 12:03:55 ZogG, Aug 19 12:04:01 it's a debug unit Aug 19 12:04:03 MohammadAG51 it was announced Aug 19 12:04:08 it's a debug unit Aug 19 12:04:16 It's A COOKBOOK! Aug 19 12:04:25 LOLWUT Aug 19 12:04:32 who cares now you can backup games and load from harddrive Aug 19 12:04:35 Jaffa: the last reply indicates that its possible somehow, or am i misreading it? Aug 19 12:05:43 the wii is completely hacked but nobody seems to care ._. Aug 19 12:07:02 frals: Maybe, I'll reply with the example I gave here. Aug 19 12:07:41 MohammadAG51 i'm sure it would work on not debug unit as well Aug 19 12:09:47 ZogG, nope Aug 19 12:10:18 Jaffa: dunno how google implements the multiple calendar stuff but my understanding is it should be possible with buteo if its separate calendars Aug 19 12:13:03 (assuming its syncml anyway) Aug 19 12:13:48 ZogG, some simple research would show you that yes, in fact, that user is a Nokian :P Aug 19 12:13:51 is there anything wrong with the following dbus command to send sms Aug 19 12:13:52 dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SMS --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/phone/SMS/ba212ae1 com.nokia.csd.SMS.Outgoing.Send array:string:"hello" string:"442324543" Aug 19 12:14:12 documentation is in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle Aug 19 12:14:22 Termana, i'm not stalker =) Aug 19 12:14:30 Guest90759: there's something wrong with your nickname Aug 19 12:14:33 ZogG, heh :P Aug 19 12:14:34 or rather, the lack of one Aug 19 12:14:47 Guest90759: it should be a SMS PDU and not a regular string afaik Aug 19 12:15:32 kerio, I think we need to train these Nokia employees on the competent use and etiquette of IRC Aug 19 12:15:39 hehe Aug 19 12:15:48 frals, i dint get you can you be little brief Aug 19 12:15:51 please Aug 19 12:15:57 darn Aug 19 12:16:32 frals: I believe you can get a CalDAV URL per calendar; although its Exchange conduit only handles the first Aug 19 12:16:34 Termana: and I'm sure quite a few of them can educate you ;-) Aug 19 12:16:42 How I can set up this machine into god damn monitor mode :P Aug 19 12:16:59 frals, I'm just trying to build a master race Aug 19 12:17:02 I mean disaster mace Aug 19 12:17:04 HONESTLY Aug 19 12:17:21 Guest9943: i think you need to binary encode the string, but im not sure, if you check the source code of vertsms you can see how its done Aug 19 12:17:43 frals, thankx a lot Aug 19 12:18:12 np Aug 19 12:19:09 frals, anyway, I'm sure they could. But there is always someone smarter than you. Unless your Stephen Hawking, I guess. Aug 19 12:21:10 But I don't see Stephen Hawking strolling into here and talking with a guest nickname either :P Aug 19 12:22:02 well of course, he can't talk Aug 19 12:22:15 nor use a n900 anyway Aug 19 12:22:47 You never know... Aug 19 12:26:16 The MeeGo Touch Framework tutorial is very impressive. Aug 19 12:27:00 url? Aug 19 12:28:00 Stskeeps: http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/tutorial.html Aug 19 12:30:00 Christ, so they're not using normal Qt APIs then Aug 19 12:30:14 Hildon all over again :) Aug 19 12:30:24 MApplicationWindow? Aug 19 12:30:41 alterego: See arguments made by w00t_ ages ago on tmo :-( Aug 19 12:31:11 "pinching gesture" Aug 19 12:31:14 Yeah, Aug 19 12:31:15 *cringe* :P Aug 19 12:31:26 there's good reasons for that, fwiw Aug 19 12:31:27 :P Aug 19 12:31:38 MLabel?!? What's wrong with QLabel? Aug 19 12:31:44 N9 looks nice as well Aug 19 12:31:46 well, don't get me wrong, there's good reasons for trying new things Aug 19 12:31:50 Stskeeps: making it harder to port to other platforms? Aug 19 12:31:57 QLabel can't be rendered on top of qgraphicsview or something Aug 19 12:31:58 alterego, :D Aug 19 12:31:58 :P Aug 19 12:31:58 Jaffa: good features? Aug 19 12:32:03 / qglwidget Aug 19 12:32:03 Jaffa: good battery life? Aug 19 12:32:05 the Q character is up in the top left of the keyboard Aug 19 12:32:05 Jaffa: good OS? Aug 19 12:32:08 crashanddie: Well, it looked shiny ;-p Aug 19 12:32:14 crashanddie: Probably no to all of those ;-) Aug 19 12:32:15 lol Aug 19 12:32:16 moving it to the M saves your fingers 300 miles on average Aug 19 12:32:16 Stskeeps: it can, but there's a huge performance hit to do so (QGraphicsProxyWidget) Aug 19 12:32:36 Jaffa: BTW, does Hermes use Python, or is it native? Aug 19 12:32:49 lcuk, perfect! At least we know the APIs have been made by developers for developers :P Aug 19 12:32:49 it's naively using python Aug 19 12:32:50 crashanddie: then fix QLabel .. Aug 19 12:32:56 RST38h: Python Aug 19 12:32:58 alterego: sorry? Aug 19 12:33:01 * RST38h idly studies meegotouch tutorial, considering moving his stuff to meegotouch Aug 19 12:33:03 alterego, wrong person Aug 19 12:33:06 Termana, the other alternative was making mwerty keyboards Aug 19 12:33:07 Jaffa: Oh, pity :9 Aug 19 12:33:09 :( Aug 19 12:33:10 s/crashanddie/Stskeeps Aug 19 12:33:10 but that was rejected :P Aug 19 12:33:13 :) Aug 19 12:33:20 lcuk, :D Aug 19 12:33:21 * crashanddie throws a banana at alterego Aug 19 12:33:29 QGraphicsView has a standard QGraphicsItem very similar to QLabel, IIRC Aug 19 12:33:30 Is meegotouch available from extras-*, anyway? Aug 19 12:33:37 (I mean, a usable version?) Aug 19 12:33:54 Surely QLabel uses QPainter .. Aug 19 12:34:12 I wonder what a pure Qt application is going to look like on MeeGo. Aug 19 12:34:14 Sorry .. MPainter now I'm sure -_- Aug 19 12:34:16 but afaict you can use standard qt stuff too.. or? Aug 19 12:34:31 MiXu-: it'll look fine I'm sure Aug 19 12:34:36 mece: That's my understanding Aug 19 12:35:07 So unless you write your app blindly with MeeGo in mind, porting to pure Qt shouldn't be that hard Aug 19 12:35:33 MiXu-: s/M/Q/ Aug 19 12:35:33 done Aug 19 12:35:47 :P Aug 19 12:36:06 http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/class_m_application.html Aug 19 12:36:10 Hah Aug 19 12:36:58 Class M for Murder? Aug 19 12:37:26 "Merde" Aug 19 12:37:31 How can 152 people be viewing a thread and not one person has said anything in the last 10 minutes? :P Aug 19 12:37:45 Termana: they're shocked and appalled Aug 19 12:37:51 Termana, shock and awe Aug 19 12:37:52 Termana: they're all mega ranting :) Aug 19 12:37:52 hah Aug 19 12:37:58 lol Aug 19 12:38:01 haha Aug 19 12:38:08 I'm just waiting for the troll posts to come flooding in :P Aug 19 12:38:16 Big posts awaiting Aug 19 12:38:21 someone asked for a troll? Aug 19 12:38:23 Server must still be processing them :P Aug 19 12:38:31 RST38h: Not sure why the implementation language would bother you as a user; unless you wanted to contribute some patches. Aug 19 12:38:32 you don't ask for trolls... you get them Aug 19 12:39:00 Termana: shouldn't you be asleep by now? Aug 19 12:39:09 achipa, no one would ask for trolls - thats a horrible disease! Aug 19 12:39:10 wtf does these M's do that the Q's don't? Seems to be some tiny things. I'm gonna just ignore them and go with Q. Aug 19 12:39:23 crashanddie, what? no, its only 10:08pm :P Aug 19 12:39:28 oh, ok Aug 19 12:39:30 Jaffa: No, I have been refusing to reinstall Python since I have seen what it does to the fstab Aug 19 12:39:42 Termana: link to post? Aug 19 12:39:54 crashanddie, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60666 Aug 19 12:40:00 RST38h: hah :) Aug 19 12:40:01 ouch, devil number Aug 19 12:40:04 RST38h: it doesnt' touch /etc/fstab at all :) Aug 19 12:40:09 lol Aug 19 12:40:10 Jaffa: It is probably a stupid bias, but I can't stand seeing 'df' output with Python installed Aug 19 12:40:12 on va finir par avoir de la M dans le Q Aug 19 12:40:24 Corsac: nice Aug 19 12:40:38 crashanddie, well, actually you're right - I probably SHOULD be in bed instead of going to bed late and waking up early. But :P Aug 19 12:40:42 RST38h: That's pretty much "cutting off your nose to spite your face", isn't it? Aug 19 12:40:58 crashanddie: you helped me a lot :) Aug 19 12:41:09 hi where can i get mozilla mobile add ons for maemo Aug 19 12:41:17 RST38h: blame busybox df being too minimalist Aug 19 12:41:19 Corsac: that's the first time someone says I've helped them by giving them shit :D Aug 19 12:41:32 Jaffa: It is. Aug 19 12:41:43 crashanddie: I don't want the details Aug 19 12:41:51 Jaffa: Rather like "not getting glasses" though Aug 19 12:42:13 Oh my, there are a lot of M classes .... Aug 19 12:42:40 alterego: I am sure they had fun replacing all those pesky Q-classes with their own shining M-classes Aug 19 12:42:48 :/ Aug 19 12:42:50 alterego: Makes one feel mighty Aug 19 12:42:54 sounds like a mercedes discussion Aug 19 12:42:56 Am I just being stupid here or do these M classes indicate that I have the awesome ability to make software for my meego device that I absolutely do not want to work on non meego qt devices? Aug 19 12:43:13 Qt sucks anyway Aug 19 12:43:19 mece: that's what it looks like Aug 19 12:43:20 Mt is really better Aug 19 12:43:21 alterego, RST38h - I am disappoint. You broke the rhyming Aug 19 12:45:04 oh... noooo! http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/class_m_widget.html Aug 19 12:45:34 that graph just makes me very sad somehow. Aug 19 12:45:53 * alterego contemplateson what to do today ... Aug 19 12:48:22 As if all this N9 and Qt depression wasn't enough, you want more stuff (to do)? Aug 19 12:48:36 Termana, what's wrong with N9? Aug 19 12:48:40 alterego: Have you considered going outside, and pretending to be a tree? Aug 19 12:48:50 mece: it also means that on Symbian, you will have to use THEIR OWN Qt based framework Aug 19 12:49:00 mece, besides the fact it looks like an N8 - a.k.a ITS UGLY Aug 19 12:49:01 mece: And I am sure there will be M2-classes in Meego2 ;) Aug 19 12:49:04 RST38h, LOL Aug 19 12:49:07 SpeedEvil: did that this morning Aug 19 12:49:16 Termana, if by ugly you mean gorgeous, then yeah. Aug 19 12:49:43 Heh Aug 19 12:49:43 mece: Never underestimate the power of small but determined groups of corporate managers to protect their turf Aug 19 12:49:50 mece, my n900 looks a lot better than that... thing. Aug 19 12:49:56 Think I'll continue playing with QtQuick Aug 19 12:50:45 * RST38h wonders if he needs an MApplicationPage at all Aug 19 12:50:59 Probably not, based on the UIQ experience Aug 19 12:51:02 RST38h, still, as far as I can tell you can just write straight up Qt, so that.. I don't even know what to call it, the M stuff, is just for the people that want it. Aug 19 12:51:09 N9 leaked Aug 19 12:51:25 mece: You can write straight gtk+ on Maemo5. Have you ever seen how it looks? Aug 19 12:51:28 GAN900: old news Aug 19 12:51:28 * GAN900 reads scrollback. Aug 19 12:51:31 I see someone has turned up to the party late Aug 19 12:51:43 GAN: It leaked with S60, didn't it? Aug 19 12:51:43 RST38h: how does it look? Aug 19 12:51:55 kerio: like FBReader config dialog. Aug 19 12:51:57 GAN900, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60666 hah 60666, the processor of the beast :D Aug 19 12:52:07 Too bad about the covers on the board. Aug 19 12:52:45 RST38h, hmm, but doesn't Qt respect themes? Aug 19 12:53:02 OHNO screenshots are Meego! Aug 19 12:53:18 RST38h, we have screenshots now? Aug 19 12:53:19 mece: maybe it does, so what? Aug 19 12:53:30 mece: it does not respect 3.5" screens, I am sure Aug 19 12:53:39 RST38h, hm. Aug 19 12:53:42 RST38h: so it looks bad? Aug 19 12:54:00 RST38h, well Qt apps look ok on N900, so why shouldn't they on MeeGo? Aug 19 12:54:27 Get a good look at the product which absolutely obsoletes your N900s. Aug 19 12:54:39 What product? Aug 19 12:54:46 GAN900: how so? can't even see a micro sd slot ... Aug 19 12:55:17 According to Nokia Aug 19 12:55:21 GAN: We are all awed, thanks Aug 19 12:55:47 GAN900, the Gospel as tolded by Nokia? Aug 19 12:55:50 told* Aug 19 12:55:51 :P Aug 19 12:55:52 mece: Probably because Qt needs customizing even on N900? Aug 19 12:55:54 pff, the n900 will always be the best pocket computer ever made Aug 19 12:56:57 GAN900: which product is this? have they announced the official n900 replacement? Aug 19 12:56:58 s/n900/n810/ Aug 19 12:56:59 kerio, its an iconic device that has enough grunt to do lots and lots, but I am sure there will be others Aug 19 12:57:17 IT'S THE BEST LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU Aug 19 12:57:31 kerio: funny how easy it is to sound like an apple fanboi, eh? Aug 19 12:57:32 :P Aug 19 12:57:33 lcuk: But N9 isn't just a device! It is a media computer! Aug 19 12:57:53 oooOOOOoooo Aug 19 12:58:06 RST38h, a MEDIA computer Aug 19 12:58:09 OMGWTFBBQ Aug 19 12:58:11 I'm sold now Aug 19 12:58:12 wait Aug 19 12:58:14 :P Aug 19 12:58:15 THE media computer Aug 19 12:58:19 the n9 with a 1ghz arm cpu... only a year after htc did it... Aug 19 12:58:35 More importantly, what is the screen size? Aug 19 12:58:41 its not how many mhz you have, its what you do with them Aug 19 12:59:02 Where is everyone trying to pull this 1Ghz from? No specs have been released Aug 19 12:59:08 lcuk, ouch, that mega hurtz Aug 19 12:59:13 lcuk: whichever girl told you that was lying Aug 19 12:59:15 Termana: theri... ass? Aug 19 12:59:30 Termana: "that megahertz?" Aug 19 12:59:38 err Aug 19 12:59:45 yes Aug 19 13:00:03 ieatlint, :) I have a knack for making the most of available grunt Aug 19 13:00:23 crashanddie, but I thought I would include a space and spell it "hurt" so even the fools would get the joke Aug 19 13:00:25 Termana: we just assume they will use the OMAP4 Aug 19 13:00:28 Comparing the frequency of the CPUs in phones is silly. Aug 19 13:00:59 will the n8 have a programmable led cpu? Aug 19 13:01:14 quanttrom, you're joking right? Isn't OMAP4 suppose to be slated for devices NEXT year? Aug 19 13:01:25 the ram is going to be the bottle neck most of the time Aug 19 13:01:41 and then not too far beind is probably the gpu Aug 19 13:01:54 Termana: according to rumours I have heard it was apaprently availble to "select TI partners" even before it was announced Aug 19 13:01:56 regarding Meego touch, which imo is more interesting than RE-Leaked phones that I can't afford, Aug 19 13:02:00 "MeeGo Touch, like Qt, is also a cross-platform framework, capable of running wherever Qt does. From the point of view of a developer that wants to create a touch optimized application in the MeeGo Touch style, both Qt and MeeGo Touch are typically directly used; Qt for the application logic and MeeGo Touch for the scene based UI style." Aug 19 13:02:26 isn't qt a graphical framework? :/ Aug 19 13:02:39 makes more sense than comparing CPUs on non-gaming desktops (which are often almost totally IO-bound) Aug 19 13:02:58 kerio: qt does way more than that Aug 19 13:03:03 BCMM: gaming desktops are GPU-bound Aug 19 13:03:19 kerio: read what he said, you misunderstood Aug 19 13:03:43 BCMM: I have a 3,8GHz Pentium 4, so it beats all the Core i7 processors, right? Aug 19 13:03:52 Because it has more mhz Aug 19 13:03:59 so meego touch is going to be reimplemented qt widgets with a emphasis for touch compatibility? Aug 19 13:04:03 MiXu-: i heard some people have overclocked a PIII to 6ghz Aug 19 13:04:20 but as the implementation is in the libs, the code is then still regular qt compatible in theory? Aug 19 13:04:35 kerio: it is possible to get a CPU-bound gaming box, for certain games, by using a cheap CPU. It is not easy to get a non-IO-bound-when-doing-real-work desktop without using an SSD Aug 19 13:04:47 uh oh... "In the future, some of the functionality now provided through MeeGo Touch will migrate to Qt. In that sense, MeeGo Touch can be seen as the bleeding edge of Qt development, pushing the boundaries of next generation UI creation." Aug 19 13:05:10 umm Aug 19 13:05:11 mece: so it is a lib with extra widgets, on top of Qt? Aug 19 13:05:17 ah.. Aug 19 13:05:18 BCMM, yep Aug 19 13:05:28 unsurprising, meego touch == qtmobility Aug 19 13:05:45 I foresee a lot of duplicated effort vs. KDElibs Aug 19 13:05:55 ieatlint: saywhat ? qtm is totally unrelated Aug 19 13:06:20 achipa: i'm making jumps here, comparing them at least in principle if not code Aug 19 13:06:32 mece: like some stuff which start as external libs are integrated in GTK+ Aug 19 13:06:50 Corsac, so it seems. Aug 19 13:06:58 kerio: that involved lN2 or something didn't it? Aug 19 13:07:09 ieatlint: qtm has little to nothing to do with UI, it's mostly wrappers around existing local services Aug 19 13:07:55 oh.. achipa, regarding that, " In addition to this MeeGo Touch exposes APIs necessary on mobile devices, such as power and memory management, that are not yet covered by either Qt or the Qt Mobility projects." Aug 19 13:07:55 bleh, qt is such a clusterfuck Aug 19 13:08:16 mece: now THAT is not funny Aug 19 13:08:26 achipa, no that seems just dumb.. Aug 19 13:08:29 hi guys, How to delete a user in scratchbox? Aug 19 13:08:59 pablo2, userdel? Aug 19 13:09:06 ok gotta go. tataa. Aug 19 13:09:34 ieatlint, Snapdragon doesn't count. Aug 19 13:09:36 there is no effect on lifetime as long as the dynamic power is kept within manufacturer's specs Aug 19 13:09:39 Oh lord Aug 19 13:09:43 lol Aug 19 13:09:58 DJ_Steve-out> Lol you cant voide warrenty by changing software anyway Aug 19 13:10:04 It gets better Aug 19 13:10:16 kerio: Qt does include a graphical toolkit, but does a bunch of other things too (largely doing various other things that are otherwise platform-dependant in a cross-platform way) - there are entirely CLI applications written in Qt Aug 19 13:10:36 this is one of the reason that Qt vs. GTK+ flamewars are meaningless Aug 19 13:10:51 not really Aug 19 13:11:00 you just group glib and gtk together and flame away Aug 19 13:11:08 ieatlint, Snapdragon to Cortex A8 isn't apples-to-apples. Aug 19 13:11:27 GAN900, fair enough Aug 19 13:12:46 isn't Snapdragon based on the cortex a8 design? Aug 19 13:12:50 I mean, latest snapdragon? Aug 19 13:13:14 RST38h: yeah, as much as a bugatti veyron is based on the model T Aug 19 13:13:32 Snapdragon has additions and modifications to the Cortex A8 design, including extra instructions Aug 19 13:13:51 ok, so it is based on the cortex a8 Aug 19 13:14:18 Loosely. Aug 19 13:14:31 it's an AR ARM Aug 19 13:14:37 obviously there's inspiration Aug 19 13:15:05 hmm...do you guys understand how this works? Aug 19 13:15:08 The figure I've seen thrown around is the Snapdragon in the Nexus One was 10% faster at processing, since thats the kind of figure I think your looking for RST38h Aug 19 13:15:19 than an OMAP3430 Aug 19 13:15:24 ARM is a company that owns rights to ARM cores Aug 19 13:15:41 i understand, wooo Aug 19 13:15:42 Wrong. Aug 19 13:15:53 N9 using symbian >;/ Aug 19 13:15:53 "CortexA8" is their core. Both Quallcom and TI must have licensed this core from ARM to build their SoCs on it. Aug 19 13:15:56 ARM is a company that makes reference ARM designs and licenses them out Aug 19 13:15:59 no, they do, and they licence the technology out to other companies at varying levels Aug 19 13:16:09 is nokia ditching meego/maemo? Aug 19 13:16:12 the highest level allows the company to basically make their own branch of arm Aug 19 13:16:18 as TI, qualcomm, and others have done Aug 19 13:16:27 ieatlint, has the idea Aug 19 13:16:37 except I don't think TI has a license to modify the design Aug 19 13:16:37 So, if both Qualcom and TI are based on the same core, they are gong to be pretty similar architecturally AND comparing them based on their clock frequencies is a FAIR GAME Aug 19 13:16:47 RST38h, no Aug 19 13:16:48 just no Aug 19 13:17:07 no what? Aug 19 13:17:08 i know someone who works at a company that is licencing arm, etc Aug 19 13:17:20 ah, ok, maybe ti doesn't, dunno Aug 19 13:17:33 It is not fair game to compare a Snapdragon and an OMAP chip. Aug 19 13:17:34 i know there are varying levels of licence... don't know too many specifics Aug 19 13:17:40 Again, they have been designed differently Aug 19 13:17:51 Termana: Again, why? Aug 19 13:17:52 isn't that like comparing a mini 1.6 sport, and a peugeot 206 gt that share the same engine, and then comparing tyre pressure? Aug 19 13:18:00 The OMAP3430 follows the reference, the Snapdragon does not Aug 19 13:18:01 <_0x47> Mece: it's easy as "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt" dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -uc -us". Figured it after thinking again. :D Aug 19 13:18:20 crashanddie: no,, more like comparing two engines of the same design but different volume Aug 19 13:18:58 RST38h: same design and different size would probably be produced in the same factories, by the same engineers Aug 19 13:19:06 so if the snapdragon is a modified cortex a8, one would assume it was modified to improve performance Aug 19 13:19:06 _0x47, nice Aug 19 13:19:11 not to reduce it Aug 19 13:19:20 ieatlint: erhm... Aug 19 13:19:56 ieatlint: the bmw f650gs has the same engine as the f800gs (both have 800cc), yet the f650gs is limited... Not exactly increased performance Aug 19 13:19:57 Or to reduce power consumption, or ... Aug 19 13:20:00 crashanddie: Dunno about peugeout, but the same renault licenses its designs to various parties Aug 19 13:20:10 <_0x47> Mece: well, therefore gdb segfaults on typing "run". Not much better... Aug 19 13:20:17 crashanddie: so, nothing wrong there Aug 19 13:20:24 crashanddie, your car analogies don't seem to be helping the situation Aug 19 13:20:30 hehe Aug 19 13:20:33 and I don't understand them so I can't confirm them :P Aug 19 13:20:41 Termana: nothing would help with that Aug 19 13:20:47 let's make this more confusing with weirder analogies Aug 19 13:20:53 Termana: also, nobody can convince RST38h of something he doesn't already believe in Aug 19 13:21:04 lol Aug 19 13:21:06 Termana: As far as I see, you cannot even confirm that Qualcom design is significantly different from ARM's reference core Aug 19 13:21:33 that sounds like a personal failing Aug 19 13:21:38 "Intel is set to acquire venerable security firm McAfee for a whopping $7.7 billion." Aug 19 13:21:43 * RST38h falls off the sofa. Aug 19 13:21:47 RST38h: what? Aug 19 13:21:56 mcbloat Aug 19 13:22:02 Stskeeps: I sense an anti-Intel plot. Aug 19 13:22:36 next up: McAfee for MeeGo Aug 19 13:23:06 Stskeeps: you should not say such things aloud Aug 19 13:23:15 i have a better one. Aug 19 13:23:26 'cause if they come true, one can always look through the logs ;) Aug 19 13:23:30 Windows for ARM? Aug 19 13:23:40 Termana: aka WinCE. Already there. Aug 19 13:23:49 McAfee for MeeGo on GMA500 netbook devices, coupled with their recently bought-from-TI cable modem division. Aug 19 13:23:52 :P Aug 19 13:23:53 RST38h: if they come through, people will be killing themselves rather than sifting through IRC logs Aug 19 13:24:08 Stskeeps, my lord, take that back! :P Aug 19 13:24:54 you people are just sick Aug 19 13:25:01 ieatlint, lol Aug 19 13:25:11 McAfee may be the most expensive snake oil peddlers out there Aug 19 13:25:19 ieatlint, nahh I think some extend to twisted also Aug 19 13:25:22 * crashanddie sets mode +q Stskeeps!*@* Aug 19 13:25:27 This side of audiophile industry of course Aug 19 13:25:32 perhaps Aug 19 13:25:33 :P Aug 19 13:25:58 Someone remind me what the purpose of McAffe on MeeGo would be? Besides to extort money from people who don't know better? Aug 19 13:25:58 i'm supposed to be documenting code :( Aug 19 13:26:16 // it does stuff Aug 19 13:26:22 New slogan, "scan you thumb drives, so you don't spread viruses!"? Aug 19 13:26:23 // more stuff Aug 19 13:26:24 lcuk, lol Aug 19 13:26:32 LOL Aug 19 13:27:03 yes, that'll go over well :) Aug 19 13:27:07 apart from bursting eardrum last night Aug 19 13:27:13 someone has been writing on my notepad Aug 19 13:27:25 "Viva Las Vegas!" no less Aug 19 13:27:27 Termana: Same as everywhere, McAfee products will guard your security, letting you surf the Net safely and soundly Aug 19 13:27:51 just put a condom around n900 Aug 19 13:27:53 http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/apps-and-games-to-face-censor-says-alp/story-e6frg996-1225905609780 Aug 19 13:28:01 bmbnfg = hff + nff + 3 // sums hff, nff and 3 to get bmbnfg Aug 19 13:28:10 * lcuk notes someone did who was a sailor Aug 19 13:28:11 (albeit a bit slowly, as your web browser will be permanently placed in swap) Aug 19 13:28:42 But, I mean, it is a tiny price to pay for feeling secure, isn't it? Aug 19 13:29:03 they should just create a sandbox to run the browser in and be done with it Aug 19 13:29:12 OMGWTFBBQ I NEED MCAFFE ON MY UBUNTU INSTALL I THINK Aug 19 13:29:14 only scan shit leaving the sandbox (downloads, etc) Aug 19 13:29:26 AND FIREWALLS Aug 19 13:29:30 nothing should ever leave the sandbox Aug 19 13:29:31 AND MORE ANTI-VIRUS Aug 19 13:29:50 your illegal downloads shall be simulated Aug 19 13:29:52 AND ONLY CAPITAL LETTERS, WHICH SUCKS. Aug 19 13:30:02 CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL Aug 19 13:30:05 BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO STEER Aug 19 13:30:12 kerio: please don't quote bash.org Aug 19 13:30:17 lol Aug 19 13:30:23 RST38h, or maybe my illegal downloads shall stimulate? Aug 19 13:30:26 :D Aug 19 13:30:31 kerio: There is a power button for that, steer it now. Aug 19 13:30:32 somehow that comment feels like it should be on bash.org Aug 19 13:32:25 RST38h, does this McAfee buyout impact you in any way (ie will you end up doing something in your intel role?) Aug 19 13:32:40 or are you doing it now :P Aug 19 13:32:42 RST38h, ieatlint faster in some areas, much slower in others. Aug 19 13:33:06 ieatlint, smaller cache and whatnot. Mostly they modified it so they could play on the MHz myth again. Aug 19 13:33:24 RST38h works at Intel? :P Aug 19 13:34:00 if my cordless phone can operate at 2.4ghz, why can't my mobile phone.. Aug 19 13:34:13 LOL Aug 19 13:34:21 ieatlint, you are joking right? :P Aug 19 13:34:40 you are making a joke right* Aug 19 13:34:43 i'm waiting for a response like "hey, the n900 does 802.11b" Aug 19 13:35:08 oh ok Aug 19 13:35:14 hey, the n900 does 802.11b Aug 19 13:35:20 ieatlint, how did I do? Aug 19 13:35:22 :P Aug 19 13:35:32 :P Aug 19 13:36:57 It also does .5PHz Aug 19 13:37:04 (the display) Aug 19 13:37:20 SpeedEvil: also lots of light Aug 19 13:37:27 leds n shit Aug 19 13:38:48 yeah, kinda want to make a chart of the EM spectrum with bits the n900 does highlighted Aug 19 13:39:00 http://www.lightinthebox.com/N900-Style-Quad-Band-Dual-Sim-Card-Dual-Camera-JAVA-Qwerty-Keypad-Cell-Phone-Black-Original-Price--125-99_p86837.html Aug 19 13:39:11 dunno what else does quite that many bands, when you consider the IR transmitter and so on Aug 19 13:40:03 SpeedEvil: aww, somebody got honest Aug 19 13:40:29 "n900 style" - last time i looked, they took the view that it was an "n900", just not a "nokia n900" Aug 19 13:41:14 i don't get why those KIRF products actually exist Aug 19 13:41:26 i'd rather buy a nokia c2 once it's out than that crap Aug 19 13:41:42 fake iphones i can understand, but the n900 is more of a geeky toy than a status symbol Aug 19 13:42:10 actually it's a status symbol where I'm from Aug 19 13:42:18 MohammadAG: where is that? Aug 19 13:42:22 Israel Aug 19 13:42:31 yeah but a nokia c2 is way better than that Aug 19 13:43:01 hmm Aug 19 13:43:04 when someone gets an N900 and doesn't know what reboot means... well... Aug 19 13:43:15 presumably, those clones actually are illegal Aug 19 13:43:16 The above came up as a ad on /. Aug 19 13:43:37 who wouldn't mind reflashing to PR1.3 when it's out? Aug 19 13:43:38 With just the pic, and "80 quid" Aug 19 13:43:46 i mean, the keyboard for example looks like an exact copy - what font does the keyboard use? is it licensed from somebody? Aug 19 13:44:09 need a community SSU tester Aug 19 13:44:47 MohammadAG: me Aug 19 13:44:55 once i get my microusb port fixed Aug 19 13:45:02 ... Aug 19 13:45:28 what does SSU stand for? Aug 19 13:45:36 MohammadAG: :D Aug 19 13:45:50 Seamless Software Update, basically, new packages from gitorious Aug 19 13:46:45 there's going to be a pr1.3? Aug 19 13:46:55 also, that's awesome there's a knock-off n900 Aug 19 13:47:21 MohammadAG: a status symbol for looking like an expensive phone; or people have actually heard of it? Aug 19 13:47:38 MohammadAG: Why don't you setup a home project on the obs, so you can easily push git updates and get them built against PR1.2? Aug 19 13:47:44 cause it's actually expensive, and people know of it Aug 19 13:47:55 X-Fade, I do some minor fixes of my own Aug 19 13:48:29 MohammadAG: Yeah, well that is not the issue, it is the ease of having it built and distributed. Aug 19 13:48:31 MohammadAG: but why don't those people get iphones? does that make it too obvious that it's just a fashion thing? Aug 19 13:48:47 BCMM, well, the iPhone is a retarded piece of shit in IL Aug 19 13:48:56 it didn't succeed Aug 19 13:48:58 well, it's that anywhere Aug 19 13:49:01 oh, awesome Aug 19 13:49:02 MohammadAG: Once you have a repo there, we can create an extras which links against your ssu version. So every app is compatible. Aug 19 13:49:09 first it costs about 2000, for some reason Aug 19 13:49:17 (2000 bucks, over time) Aug 19 13:49:32 X-Fade, hmm, lemme switch to PM Aug 19 13:50:15 does anyone know of some decent rechargeable emergency charger for the N900? Aug 19 13:50:54 I need something proper, not some chinese junk without any form of regulation etc etc Aug 19 13:51:23 Funnyfacemob: i have a chinese one that stops once the battery is full Aug 19 13:51:25 so meh Aug 19 13:51:54 Funnyfacemob: nokia makes one Aug 19 13:52:32 BCMM: does the nokia one also have a usb port? Aug 19 13:52:37 dunno Aug 19 13:52:58 the DC-11 - it's on the third page of the paper manual Aug 19 13:53:00 hehe well it doesn't seem like my N900 makes it through a whole day at college Aug 19 13:53:16 hmmm Aug 19 13:53:26 try dimming the screen and being on GPRS less Aug 19 13:53:30 so I was thinking of having a charger in my bags Aug 19 13:53:51 Funnyfacemob: get more batteries! Aug 19 13:53:52 Funnyfacemob: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/extra-power-dc-11 Aug 19 13:53:59 yeah might want to dimm the display some too Aug 19 13:54:07 thanks Aug 19 13:54:11 oh wait, that kind of thing Aug 19 13:54:20 get an external charger and loads of BL5Js Aug 19 13:54:25 in my experience it definitely makes it through the day idle, and will tend to make it through a day with occasional use Aug 19 13:54:58 gets flat really fast if you use it as a car satnav: screen on, gprs on, GPS on, etc. Aug 19 13:55:12 anyway it has been nagging me with low battery warnings for a long time, maybe the battery gauge is incorrect after I pulled the battery the other day Aug 19 13:55:14 car satnav = charger Aug 19 13:55:31 yeah, i need a car charger that doesn't suck Aug 19 13:55:55 i got a generic o2-branded microUSB cig lighter charger Aug 19 13:56:00 and it just comes loose all the time Aug 19 13:56:12 also, the phone doesn't seem to notice when this happens Aug 19 13:56:13 like yer mom Aug 19 13:56:14 * kerio hides Aug 19 13:56:32 * BCMM throws a crap charger at kerio Aug 19 13:56:40 * MohammadAG kicks kerio Aug 19 13:56:46 now if only I could do that :P Aug 19 13:56:49 already got one! Aug 19 13:57:02 as in, it will say it's charging right up until it powers off Aug 19 13:57:49 and it works itself out constantly - worse if i touch the phone, but still happens just from the car's motion Aug 19 13:57:57 also my cheap ripoff chinese battery doesn't work anymore Aug 19 13:58:06 so, anyone have a cig lighter charger that doesn't suck? Aug 19 13:58:32 BCMM: just get an inverter? Aug 19 13:58:36 that means i have two hours of downtime each day! Aug 19 13:58:39 ._. Aug 19 13:58:54 luke-jr: infuriatingly inefficient solution... Aug 19 13:59:04 BCMM: but it works :P Aug 19 13:59:08 luke-jr: also, it'll probably have a terrible cig socket plug on it too Aug 19 13:59:12 :( Aug 19 13:59:43 I go inverter -> N810 adapter -> N810-to-N900 adapter Aug 19 13:59:43 i know that part of the problem is that it's a stupid connector that never works properly, but i've occasionally seen one that actually stays in Aug 19 13:59:44 :p Aug 19 14:01:22 could it be that the meter is crappy? Aug 19 14:01:36 meter? Aug 19 14:01:43 battery meter on n900 Aug 19 14:01:47 for my cheap chinese battery Aug 19 14:01:52 ah Aug 19 14:02:01 what about the two official nokia car chargers? do they stay in the socket? Aug 19 14:02:02 The battery meter hardware is fine Aug 19 14:02:15 The software is basically buggered. Aug 19 14:02:23 (DC-6 and DC-10) Aug 19 14:02:26 so if i get the low battery alert the battery *is* low? Aug 19 14:02:35 cheap chinese batterries often have a lot less capacity and drop to low voltage pretty quickly. Aug 19 14:02:50 X-Fade: yeah but it's like if the charger i have doesn't charge Aug 19 14:03:04 nokia's official bl5j charges fine Aug 19 14:03:22 and since the external charger's led doesn't work, i don't know if it's actually charging Aug 19 14:03:22 kerio: Can be, probably no resistor on the 3rd pin. Aug 19 14:03:23 so... yeah Aug 19 14:03:31 kerio - lshal|grep age.cu Aug 19 14:03:34 X-Fade: it worked fine for some time Aug 19 14:03:50 With no resistor on 3rd pin, n900 will not boot Aug 19 14:03:55 it does Aug 19 14:03:59 It doesn't. Aug 19 14:04:07 i mean, it does boot Aug 19 14:04:09 ah Aug 19 14:04:26 The above command shows the current battery voltage. Aug 19 14:04:57 will try that once i put the cheap battery in again Aug 19 14:05:28 oh well, i guess i should just be happy that the cheap charger works Aug 19 14:05:45 but i do want to get a proper charger and some real nokia batteries Aug 19 14:06:16 no nokia care around here ._. Aug 19 14:09:21 x-fade/jaffa/gan9: ping Aug 19 14:09:37 timeless: what's that secret squirrel business? Aug 19 14:10:01 i have a guy looking for an icon set for "Diablo", "Fremantle" and "Harmattan" Aug 19 14:10:23 to represent the different OSs? Aug 19 14:10:31 wtf is a fremantle Aug 19 14:10:34 or a harmattan Aug 19 14:10:37 i.e. 3icons, one icon that could used to represent one of those, etc Aug 19 14:10:43 kerio: fremantle is maemo 5, harmattan is maemo 6 Aug 19 14:10:57 crashanddie: duh Aug 19 14:10:59 i know Aug 19 14:11:00 kerio: they're winds, IIRC Aug 19 14:11:11 oh i see Aug 19 14:11:16 sahara-guinea Aug 19 14:11:17 timeless: pong Aug 19 14:11:44 timeless: N810 icon, N900 icon and an N9 icon? ;-) Aug 19 14:11:52 timeless: We know what it looks like now, after all Aug 19 14:11:55 n810, n900 and a ghost Aug 19 14:11:57 kerio: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=fremantle+harmattan+diablo+naming Aug 19 14:12:10 timeless: ok, i deserved it Aug 19 14:12:13 Jaffa, ha. Aug 19 14:12:42 jaffa: i was hoping for software stack icons Aug 19 14:12:44 There's one benefit to not shipping major updates to your existing customers. Aug 19 14:13:48 timeless, software stack icons? Aug 19 14:13:51 timeless: a screenshot of the diablo ui, a screenshot of the fremantle ui and a screenshot of the... meego handset ui? Aug 19 14:13:58 Such a thing doesn't exist. Aug 19 14:14:00 timeless: They're all winds; you might be able to do something which went off the main layouts, i.e. a rotated L (90 deg clockwise) for diablo; a sideways i (90deg counter-clockwise) for fremantle and a separated bar of horizontal bars for the harmattan/meego device. Aug 19 14:14:14 s/harmattan/meegattan/! Aug 19 14:14:19 heh look at this: Aug 19 14:14:20 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/08/148043562-b69d76292dc9b5eeaa00e860817ee67d.4c6d1cc0-full.jpg Aug 19 14:14:44 i don't see a "tab" there Aug 19 14:14:51 Hi, quick question regarding the maemo platform Aug 19 14:14:51 lol Aug 19 14:14:52 and ctrl is definetely in the wrong, wrong, WRONG place Aug 19 14:15:02 kerio, shift too Aug 19 14:15:05 yo, we know you like computers so we put a computer inside your computer Aug 19 14:15:07 Right now i'm using a windows mobile smartphone, which uses outlook as a PIM system Aug 19 14:15:14 lcuk, :D Aug 19 14:15:15 lcuk, xD Aug 19 14:15:32 is there something similar for maemo, without the mail client part, where i can edit things on my desktop and sync it to my pda/phone Aug 19 14:15:36 lcuk: s/yo, we know/yo dawg i herd/ Aug 19 14:15:44 lol Aug 19 14:15:49 s/$/ so you can compute while you compute/ Aug 19 14:15:53 thanks kerio I am too old to know the syntax Aug 19 14:16:02 yw Aug 19 14:16:24 lcuk: I tried that line last time I was hitting on a girl Aug 19 14:16:44 it's "Yo dawg i heard you like $thing so we put a $thing in your $thing so you can $verb while you $verb" Aug 19 14:16:49 gehehehe Aug 19 14:17:15 kerio, artistic license Aug 19 14:17:23 Standard: {yo,sup} dawg, I herd you like X, so I put an X in your Y so you can VERB while you VERB Aug 19 14:17:23 Repetitive: {yo,sup} dawg, I herd you like X, so I put an X in your X so you can X while you X Aug 19 14:17:23 Abstract: {yo,sup} dawg, I herd you like X, so I put an Y in your Z so you can VERB while you VERB Aug 19 14:17:57 ok, engough geeking it up and explaining the joke, everyone got my incorrect version anyway Aug 19 14:18:08 No wonder the teens are so annoying, they are all herd animals. Aug 19 14:18:11 lcuk: welcome to the internet Aug 19 14:18:26 Lynoure, you're racist towards teens, I hate that :P Aug 19 14:18:32 Lynoure: at least they're not droving Aug 19 14:18:52 MohammadAG: I think I'm dishonoring the cows, actually =) Aug 19 14:19:06 MohammadAG: you're hateful towards Lynoure, I don't like that. Aug 19 14:19:15 where people feel compelled to comment yet can't contribute in a constructive matter instead attack the way the message was packaged, rather than the message itself Aug 19 14:19:21 crashanddie, /part helps :P Aug 19 14:19:27 so does /kick Aug 19 14:19:40 what about /gline :P Aug 19 14:19:46 your call, /part = /kick crashanddie Aug 19 14:19:53 famicom, if only I could do that on this server Aug 19 14:20:01 crashanddie: did not quite come across as hateful.... and if they are hating, I must be rolling. Aug 19 14:20:04 fwiw, the context is fairly small Aug 19 14:20:07 BAN EVERYTHING!!!!!111!!!SHIFTONE Aug 19 14:20:15 so relying on large pictures and scaling down doesn't naturally work wel Aug 19 14:20:17 l Aug 19 14:20:33 timeless: that's what she said Aug 19 14:20:43 timeless, well, no icons exist, so. Aug 19 14:21:43 timeless: what's their use for the icons? Why not just maemo logo and number? Aug 19 14:22:22 ~kick MohammadAG Aug 19 14:22:23 * infobot kicks MohammadAG Aug 19 14:23:01 there is a team working on the MAD IDE Aug 19 14:23:26 the ide lets you develop apps using Eclipse and deploy them directly Aug 19 14:23:30 as well as debug/etc Aug 19 14:23:44 you need a way to recognize the scratchbox you're using and the target Aug 19 14:23:55 using M4.1 is kinda hard Aug 19 14:24:05 i mean, it isn't impossible in an icon (16x16) Aug 19 14:24:24 but it definitely isn't easy either Aug 19 14:24:41 timeless: how about just D F H? Aug 19 14:25:16 somewhat recognizable, certainly small. Beats artsy abstract symbolism for this kind of use, IMO Aug 19 14:25:37 Scales well for the versions to come. Aug 19 14:25:44 maybe... Aug 19 14:30:14 Lynoure, no Maemo logo, either. Aug 19 14:30:39 GAN900: that does not scale well past Harmattan (and even a bit misplaced there) Aug 19 14:31:09 dfh? Aug 19 14:31:26 Anyway, I strongly think icons that cause the user to wonder 'what is that, never seen that" are not the right kind :) Aug 19 14:31:37 kerio: diablo, fremantle, harmattan Aug 19 14:31:40 oh Aug 19 14:31:57 meh, they're winds Aug 19 14:32:05 1x1 png with full alpha Aug 19 14:32:15 * crashanddie prays for Maemo 7 to be nicknamed "Fart" Aug 19 14:32:19 how would you show speed lines? Aug 19 14:32:29 crashanddie: F is gone, so not likely =) Aug 19 14:32:31 hehe Aug 19 14:32:42 crashanddie: do you know that fart in poland means luck Aug 19 14:32:51 s/poland/polish/ Aug 19 14:32:51 jacekowski meant: crashanddie: do you know that fart in polish means luck Aug 19 14:33:01 i did not Aug 19 14:33:03 good fart Aug 19 14:33:07 * lcuk is not a polish fart Aug 19 14:33:13 LOL Aug 19 14:33:26 * MohammadAG wonders what lcuk means Aug 19 14:33:37 go damn, you made me chuckle in a meeting Aug 19 14:33:40 god** Aug 19 14:33:42 lcuk Aug 19 14:33:49 MohammadAG: "liquid uk" Aug 19 14:33:49 s/l/f/ Aug 19 14:33:49 jacekowski meant: fcuk Aug 19 14:33:54 MohammadAG, liquidcoooled from the uk :) Aug 19 14:34:02 s/cu/uc/ Aug 19 14:34:02 close Aug 19 14:34:03 jacekowski meant: luck Aug 19 14:34:04 was never meant to be a real nick Aug 19 14:34:13 woot? Aug 19 14:34:56 lol lcuk Aug 19 14:35:37 too long Aug 19 14:35:46 better Aug 19 14:36:11 indeed Aug 19 14:36:59 hmm o_O i have a flickr account Aug 19 14:37:12 yup Aug 19 14:37:13 is that from my yahoo stuff? Aug 19 14:37:18 yup Aug 19 14:37:20 auto setup, because I never joined Aug 19 14:38:45 yup Aug 19 14:41:08 yup Aug 19 14:49:06 Hi Aug 19 14:49:46 sup dawg, i herd you liked square sex, so I put a square in your john, so now johnsq joined #maemo Aug 19 14:50:02 heh. Aug 19 14:58:04 MohammadAG: ping Aug 19 14:58:25 Pong Aug 19 14:59:07 hey, the cheap chinese battery actually charged this time Aug 19 14:59:08 wheeeeeee Aug 19 14:59:57 SpeedEvil: 3761, cheap battery Aug 19 15:00:01 Jaffa, pong Aug 19 15:00:03 meter says it's half charged Aug 19 15:01:37 MohammadAG: About patched hildon-desktop and your comments about Maemo 5 Community SSU. If you're interested, we could talk to Nokia about getting the handover in PR1.3 Aug 19 15:01:46 MohammadAG: So that enabling it was easier Aug 19 15:02:05 Enabling is just a click on .install anyway. Aug 19 15:11:52 Jaffa, MohammadAG, X-Fade - we have to be sure that any SSU or alternative non official update would be careful not to break peoples devices if/when another official update comes out beyond Aug 19 15:12:20 why isn't there group PM on irc... Aug 19 15:12:28 lcuk: It will always do that. Aug 19 15:12:28 you are doing it now Aug 19 15:12:32 every message is group pm Aug 19 15:12:33 :P Aug 19 15:12:49 X-Fade, why? Aug 19 15:13:03 X-Fade, then we have to look at mechanisms to not do that. Aug 19 15:13:27 wait, so, even if we update the metapackage, it breaks updates? Aug 19 15:13:42 I'm not forcing a package removal, the mp-fremantle-generic-pr package gets updated Aug 19 15:13:49 because if this sort of SSU blocks an important update then its not good Aug 19 15:14:05 (even the Ovi Store doesn't break) Aug 19 15:14:46 Need a good filem Aug 19 15:14:49 science fiction Aug 19 15:14:52 Any ideas? :) Aug 19 15:14:55 inception Aug 19 15:15:05 Repackage updates as an update to the SSU package? Aug 19 15:15:07 scene it Aug 19 15:15:14 seen* Aug 19 15:15:18 Termana, yes Aug 19 15:16:23 hmm Aug 19 15:16:31 MohammadAG: scene it, it's a DVD game my family play at Christmas .. Aug 19 15:16:44 It's a play on wurds! Aug 19 15:18:06 MohammadAG: I don't think we should replace the existing, but conflict with it. Aug 19 15:18:12 o/ people Aug 19 15:18:24 MohammadAG: It is not an official update, people should just flash to revert. Aug 19 15:18:36 NokBook Pro ftw :P Aug 19 15:18:58 X-Fade, or update from non official to official Aug 19 15:19:03 that was my original goal with this Aug 19 15:19:11 MohammadAG: And you should only run a community SSU if you know the risks anyway. Aug 19 15:19:54 With updated SSU also comes an updated sdk, so if you update anything which breaks an api, you need to care about the apps too. Aug 19 15:20:18 packages on the repo at the moment won't break it Aug 19 15:20:44 MohammadAG: No, but if you really want to go for it that is bound to happen :) Aug 19 15:22:49 hmm Aug 19 15:23:08 X-Fade, well, most packages fixed are closed source Aug 19 15:23:51 MohammadAG: It all depends on what the goals are. Aug 19 15:24:09 If you only want to do a few simple fixes, the it is not that hard. Aug 19 15:24:24 update packages in the same way debian/ubuntu, without breaking the metapackage Aug 19 15:25:25 X-Fade: silly q - any way we could track kisstester usage, as in how much feedback are we getting through it ? I can attach a sig at the bottom, but for plain Y votes ? Aug 19 15:26:14 lcuk, good joke. Aug 19 15:26:32 lcuk, one to fix that Flash vulnerability, maybe? :rolleyes: Aug 19 15:27:29 maybe an official one to update new improved community version of hildon - if real benefits are shown, why wouldn't it happen :) Aug 19 15:28:00 and GAN900 maybe it would Aug 19 15:28:26 Haha Aug 19 15:28:26 * RST38h stretches Aug 19 15:28:32 Sooooooo, maemopunks... Aug 19 15:28:32 if Adobe came and said theres a flash 10.1 update that we can put on, the best mechanism to update it would be an official one Aug 19 15:28:47 EHLO again RST38h Aug 19 15:29:11 Adobe won't come to you, lcuk, unless you are managing a $100m+ company Aug 19 15:29:14 If Nokia can't be assed to pay to push any more official ones, why would they do the integration and certification testing for unofficial ones? :) Aug 19 15:29:19 They simply won't bother Aug 19 15:29:33 sigh Aug 19 15:30:22 Forget that Flash shit already, who needs it... Aug 19 15:30:33 now that I agree with :) Aug 19 15:30:47 but others still go on about it Aug 19 15:31:08 GAN900, you lamented the lack of disassembled pics of that N9 thing? Here they are: http://maemos.ru/2010/08/19/nokia-n9-meego-4/#more-6189 Aug 19 15:31:33 lcuk: People went on about Java for years, who uses it now? Aug 19 15:31:40 Same with MMS Aug 19 15:31:43 achipa: Use a specific user agent, so X-Fade can grep the logs? Aug 19 15:32:24 RST38h, fMMS is one of the highest downloaded apps on the n900 Aug 19 15:32:43 still, I have never seen anyone use it Aug 19 15:32:56 thats because most MMSs are private Aug 19 15:33:03 Jaffa: hm, right, though if you go that route you can say it's already that way - I don't think there are other clients leaving python urllib agent strings :) Aug 19 15:33:14 Back cover says "B2" prototype Aug 19 15:34:08 And, as it runs vanilla Meego (rather than Harmattan), it may still be a Symbian device after all Aug 19 15:34:24 that's not vanilla meego, theme's different Aug 19 15:34:44 Stskeeps: yea, bg is different Aug 19 15:36:22 RST38h, ACTUALLY, there are over 70000 mobile apps written in Java at the very least Aug 19 15:36:35 Android is all over java Aug 19 15:36:43 Businesses still use java Aug 19 15:37:05 Thankfully not a lot sites uses java applets anymore AFAIK Aug 19 15:37:10 use* Aug 19 15:37:23 lot of* Aug 19 15:37:25 MohammadAG: ping Aug 19 15:37:35 Termana: Thankfully, less and less business use Java and I sincerely hope Oracle will put an end to this practice Aug 19 15:37:56 RST38h, would you rather them use .NET? Aug 19 15:37:57 LOL Aug 19 15:38:17 Yes as a matter of fact Aug 19 15:38:35 Termana, RST38h: OMG, am I just witnessing a .NET vs Java debate in a Linux community? Aug 19 15:38:44 Because in its niche (Windoze scripting language, VB replacement) .NET is surprisingly useful Aug 19 15:39:10 Venemo, where have I seen that kind of debate in the Linux community before.... seems dajavu.... :P Aug 19 15:39:12 And MS is not trying to force it down our collective throat outside of its little cesspool Aug 19 15:39:28 Actually, .NET is superior to Java Aug 19 15:39:53 being a .NET developer, I couldn't have any other opinion ;) Aug 19 15:39:55 oh well Aug 19 15:40:12 * RST38h replaces Venemo with a really small PERL script and goes after his business Aug 19 15:40:19 Termana: I dunno, what do you mean? Aug 19 15:40:53 ~burn RST38h Aug 19 15:40:54 * infobot pours gasoline all over RST38h, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Aug 19 15:41:07 Venemo, I don't know, must be imagining things. There has never been anything against .NET from the linux community Aug 19 15:41:09 :P Aug 19 15:41:47 Termana: well, not entirely true, stallman hates it and his followers. Aug 19 15:41:58 alterego..... Aug 19 15:42:01 Stallman is like the anti-christ to steve jobs :D Aug 19 15:42:22 Do I need to add sarcasm tags or something to make it a little clearer for you alterego? :P Aug 19 15:42:39 Termana: huh. I almost got lynched by the people in #fedora after I mentioned that while I enjoy trying Linux out, I can't use it for work as I'm a .NET developer Aug 19 15:42:56 nice one Aug 19 15:42:57 Heh Aug 19 15:43:22 Why so serious? Aug 19 15:43:24 * RST38h was once told that he does not know shit about Linux, Unix, or computers in general Aug 19 15:43:25 :D Aug 19 15:43:51 That is when I came to #linux and asked why I need full Linux kernel sources just to compile HelloWorld.c Aug 19 15:43:52 alterego: Stallman hates anything whose name doesn't begin with "G" Aug 19 15:43:54 * mortini doesn't. wtf are these square clicky things in front of me with letters on them? Aug 19 15:44:18 mortini: lol :D Aug 19 15:44:20 I quite liked .NET development. Aug 19 15:44:28 RST38h, I resemble that remark Aug 19 15:44:33 I had to do it at my last job Aug 19 15:44:37 (and that is AFTER I had to manually restore MBR damaged by SuSe fdisk utility) Aug 19 15:44:39 But I did quite a lot at my last job Aug 19 15:44:48 CutMeOwnThroat, I think you're using the wrong word Aug 19 15:44:57 well, for web development, .NET is vastly superior to anything else in terms of productivity Aug 19 15:45:06 Venemo: PERL. Aug 19 15:45:15 for desktop development, Qt is getting close Aug 19 15:45:23 Venemo: Whatever you come up with, PERL is vastly superior to it in terms of productivity. Aug 19 15:45:35 (let us not dwell on what PERL is also superior in ;)) Aug 19 15:45:35 CutMeOwnThroat, The saying is "I resent that remark", unless you really did mean resemble as in, you would say something like that Aug 19 15:45:41 * mortini use CGI; Aug 19 15:45:44 RST38h: Well, I haven't used PERL yet, so I can't comment on that Aug 19 15:45:44 yeah, mod_perl is great. Aug 19 15:45:46 * mortini pukes. Aug 19 15:46:17 a little bit on topic: Aug 19 15:46:23 Termana, I meant he was using "throat" and highlighted me! So I, literally, resemble that remark :) Aug 19 15:46:29 have you tried MohammadAG's latest Hildon-Desktop fix? Aug 19 15:46:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599 Aug 19 15:46:39 CutMeOwnThroat, heh :P Aug 19 15:46:44 it removes the famous "call glitch" from PR 1.2 Aug 19 15:47:06 Venemo: I would prefer an official fix from nokia Aug 19 15:47:12 Termana, I also resent being randomly highlighted but am too polite to sayit that way Aug 19 15:47:24 RST38h: he "only" compiled the official fixes from Nokia :) Aug 19 15:47:34 It's so famous, I didn't even know about it. Aug 19 15:47:43 RST38h: Stop trolling, Java is the number one language for big proper business apps Aug 19 15:47:44 Then again, I don't use calls/sms on my n900 :P Aug 19 15:48:06 Termana: btw, I also almost got lynched when I told people in #konversation that I use their app on a Gnome desktop Aug 19 15:48:16 Jaffa: yea, right Aug 19 15:48:20 Venemo: hah Aug 19 15:48:31 Jaffa: So, how often do you reboot your Java app server? ;) Aug 19 15:48:37 CutMeOwnThroat, :D remove Throat from your highlight list? Or use a client that doesn't highlight you on partial uses of your nickname. Aug 19 15:48:38 Jaffa: no, C# is Aug 19 15:48:48 Jaffa: or C++... Aug 19 15:48:54 Jaffa, its ok. RST38h has been trolling all night :P Aug 19 15:49:23 alterego: how are you progressing with your app? Aug 19 15:50:45 Venemo: not bad, though I've not realy done much developing over the past couple of weeks, been mainly looking at Qt Quick and other things Aug 19 15:51:12 Venemo: Given most enterprise apps are web based, C++ doesn't figure. And C# is nowhere near Java's usage on a global scale Aug 19 15:51:16 Termana: Indeed. Aug 19 15:51:46 * RST38h wonders if Google uses Java for all its web based apps Aug 19 15:51:50 Jaffa: I can't argue with you, but I still prefer C# Aug 19 15:51:58 http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7ehthZC631qzpwi0o1_500.jpg :D Aug 19 15:52:56 Oh well, time to go and suffer a bit Aug 19 15:54:02 lcuk, :P Aug 19 15:54:55 RST38h: A lot of them, yes. It's where Google Web Toolkit came out of (GWT) Aug 19 15:55:22 RST38h: An almost beautiful hack in terms of blurring lines between server & client (not sure I'd ever use it for one of my apps, but it's nice engineering) Aug 19 15:56:43 Is n900 help questions considered spam here? Aug 19 15:57:00 no Aug 19 15:57:24 Depends on the question, but generally not. Aug 19 15:57:26 Ok. Im getting the "internal error. application "conversations" closed" error that some people seem to be getting Aug 19 15:57:28 what is your verdict on the 'n9' keyboard?> Aug 19 15:57:38 only asking to ask questions :) Aug 19 15:57:39 the forum is kind of light on help, I've found some threads Aug 19 15:57:42 http://nokiasaga.com/nokia-n9-leaked-in-wild-hq-pics-video Aug 19 15:57:51 pupnik: 4 rows = win Aug 19 15:57:55 Im removing all the converstaions plugins I can find Aug 19 15:58:01 I have no Titan kernel installed Aug 19 15:58:38 alterego: Yes, I know thats annoying, I was just wondering if this was more of a developer chan and if it were an speciality help channel :P Aug 19 15:58:50 mreggen: i think there's a crash-reporter app Aug 19 15:58:55 you could install that and send a report Aug 19 15:59:12 timeless: Ok. Aug 19 15:59:14 my thoughts on the N9 Aug 19 15:59:20 keyboard space key location sucks Aug 19 15:59:25 The thing is it crashes when i wirte > 3 words in any application Aug 19 15:59:31 so the phone is completely useless Aug 19 16:00:25 MohammadAG51: do you like the n900's space key? Aug 19 16:00:32 yes Aug 19 16:00:45 i like the N900's kb Aug 19 16:00:53 58WPM on a mobile Aug 19 16:01:21 I agree. i'd pick n900's kb over N9 anytime Aug 19 16:01:25 srry to jump in like this :p Aug 19 16:01:44 plus the shift, fn and ctrl keys on the N9 are poorly placed Aug 19 16:02:16 sorry, i'm only interested in the n810 and the n900 keyboards :) Aug 19 16:02:21 liked the N97's kb too, but that one had missing symbols on the main layout Aug 19 16:02:32 doing a ctrl+shift +letter isn't completely smooth either Aug 19 16:02:36 but it works Aug 19 16:02:37 you had to press the blue key for . and , i think Aug 19 16:02:40 or one of them Aug 19 16:03:03 RST38h: o/ Aug 19 16:03:22 I don't know if this is the right channel for this: but I have a quesion regarding the youtube apps for the n900 Aug 19 16:04:51 like zoutube or mYTube: since pr 1.2 they just don't seem to work as well anymore. Doesn't realy play any vids when u tap em, but you can search for em just fine. Anyone else experienced this? Aug 19 16:05:31 youtube api, not related to pr1.2 Aug 19 16:06:25 ow i see. are there any apps that are compatible with the current youtube api? Aug 19 16:06:57 MohammadAG51: you mentioned in the fixed hildon-desktop thread that you are going to provide fixes for some other packages, too Aug 19 16:07:17 MohammadAG51: is there any way to participate in the beta testing? :P Aug 19 16:07:20 CrusKC: Same thing that happened with my popcorn hour media tank I think (unrelated). Youtube changed it API so its not usable for such apps anymore Aug 19 16:09:07 mreggen: So you're saying that we probably won't be seeing apps that interface with youtbe anymore then? Aug 19 16:09:39 CrusKC: Well, I have only read up on the media tank issue, and they are saying it isnt possible, for them at least Aug 19 16:11:02 mreggen: How do you suppose other platforms handle these things? Like android, ios, they all have apps doing this. Do they suffer the same "problems"? Aug 19 16:12:10 CrusKC: I only know this: http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20091120/youtube-says-popcorn-hour-is-over/ Aug 19 16:14:02 timeless, does a .install file need a special mime type? Aug 19 16:14:08 it should have one Aug 19 16:14:33 it opens as plaintext in the browser Aug 19 16:14:53 Termana, what... and miss all the great opportunities to react to random uses of throat? Aug 19 16:15:01 application/x-install-instructions Aug 19 16:15:22 thanks Aug 19 16:15:28 mreggen: thanks for the info, the use of the api being limited to having a contract with youtube would explain it I guess. Aug 19 16:19:14 sp3000: poke me about food? Aug 19 16:19:26 * sp3000 pokes timeless about food Aug 19 16:19:41 ok, sounds good. where to? Aug 19 16:19:56 dunno, is it indian or chicos today? half an hour or so Aug 19 16:20:09 chicos, i did indian yesterday Aug 19 16:20:12 30mins sounds good Aug 19 16:20:41 > microform Aug 19 16:20:55 think that's like micorophone and mirophone? Aug 19 16:21:15
Aug 19 16:21:16 hrm, no, it's a style Aug 19 16:22:23 (or, what you said..) Aug 19 16:43:37 sp3000: time check Aug 19 16:43:58 MohammadAG51: BTW, can you include some of the modest patches which are languishing in Bugzilla; which hrw had previously supplied a repo for in PR1.0/PR1.1 Aug 19 16:46:03 timeless: done, I can continue bisecting tomorrow, that'll take forever anyway Aug 19 16:46:15 heh Aug 19 16:46:24 i'm @sdpq in a sorted list of "words" Aug 19 16:46:47 16463:sdpq Aug 19 16:46:50 22560 /tmp/spell.in Aug 19 16:47:06 so, now's as goods as any time to abandon it Aug 19 16:53:23 fwiw, mxr.maemo.org was just moved, until DNS updates (sometime tomorrow?) http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/fremantle and friends should be kinda workable (same host, different branding) Aug 19 16:53:38 and there's also mxr.moego.org/ for meego stuff (possibly fremantle1.2) Aug 19 16:58:03 wow, ps3 is hacked apparently Aug 19 16:58:07 timeless: "(Don't use a web-crawler to try and download all of these pages; the CGIs will feed you several gigabytes worth of generated HTML!)" ... LoL Aug 19 16:58:21 crashanddie good morning Aug 19 16:58:33 venemo: it's true Aug 19 16:58:35 evening here, but hey ZogG Aug 19 16:58:39 and people are stupid enough to try once in a while Aug 19 16:58:52 crashanddie evening here too, i mean about ps3 =) Aug 19 16:59:03 timeless: wget http://whatever -O /dev/null Aug 19 16:59:32 you still download several GB Aug 19 16:59:40 like I care :D Aug 19 17:00:07 i don't have any download limits, fair-use or otherwise Aug 19 17:00:10 (nor upload) Aug 19 17:01:03 CrusKC: i have found patches for youtube, and i believe minitube is working now Aug 19 17:01:12 youtube-dl that is Aug 19 17:01:17 sp3000: did you depart? Aug 19 17:01:26 timeless: not yet Aug 19 17:01:35 pupnik: is it to be found in extras or devel? Aug 19 17:01:44 ZogG: apparently some aussies managed to hack the ps3, dump the game to hard drive, and play whenever you want Aug 19 17:02:04 ZogG: there's a couple of youtube videos allegdely "proving" how it works Aug 19 17:02:05 crashanddie saw it Aug 19 17:02:09 CrusKC: dunno, give them a try Aug 19 17:02:26 crashanddie yeah i know Aug 19 17:02:42 pupnik: allright, I'll have a look ^^ Aug 19 17:06:52 timeless: ok, going Aug 19 17:06:54 -> Aug 19 17:07:11 ZogG: I guess we'll have to wait for the dust to settle and see what's actually happening Aug 19 17:07:20 ZogG: if it works, I'll buy a hundred and resell them locally :D Aug 19 17:07:23 ok Aug 19 17:07:51 crashanddie, I thought ps3 had linux anyway? Aug 19 17:07:56 why would you need to hack it? Aug 19 17:08:01 or was the linux distro removed? Aug 19 17:08:02 lcuk: they removed the feature Aug 19 17:08:11 sad Aug 19 17:08:14 lcuk: it was removed when the ps3 slim came out Aug 19 17:08:35 ahh Aug 19 17:08:36 mainly because linux ran in a hypervisor, and you didn't have access to the gpu Aug 19 17:08:50 then people managed to hack that limitation Aug 19 17:08:58 so they removed the linux feature as a whole Aug 19 17:09:27 lol Aug 19 17:09:48 you give an inch, people will take a mile Aug 19 17:10:28 wasnt hacking the linux the defacto MMORPG on ps3 for ages? Aug 19 17:10:43 heh Aug 19 17:10:49 ah so that's why all the projects that wanted to do video on ps3 died :-) Aug 19 17:10:52 in every generation there comes anew Aug 19 17:10:54 hacking target Aug 19 17:10:55 "I am a level 70 kernel hacker" Aug 19 17:11:06 eyopener, audrey, ps3 Aug 19 17:11:33 qcat? Aug 19 17:11:59 lcuk, saw this and thought of you - http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/2010/20100819_2513.png Aug 19 17:12:45 http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/2010/20100819_2513.png Aug 19 17:12:50 whoops Aug 19 17:12:52 :D:D:D:D:D:D Aug 19 17:12:58 bacon cider FTW though ;) Aug 19 17:13:03 bacon cider, mmmmmmm Aug 19 17:14:01 I didnt see you drop in anyway penguinbait - how are you doing? Aug 19 17:14:30 good, summer time here, spend lots of spare time outside ;) Aug 19 17:15:20 penguinbait, as you should. Aug 19 18:14:48 * lcuk throws some rocks around the room Aug 19 18:16:02 !! Aug 19 18:16:04 heeeey... Aug 19 18:16:09 * MohammadAG throws an empire state building at lcuk Aug 19 18:16:39 :O Aug 19 18:16:42 * lcuk ducks Aug 19 18:17:17 * lolcat93 collapses Aug 19 18:17:53 MohammadAG, look now, you should have checked that no lolcats were near where you were throwing that building Aug 19 18:19:12 lcuk, sowy Aug 19 18:19:19 I'll be caweful next time Aug 19 18:19:23 indeed Aug 19 18:19:35 I was pondering today about a shared alarm clock Aug 19 18:19:47 currently I have to set alarms on each of the devices I need to wake up Aug 19 18:20:03 I would like to set the alarm on one machine and have it actually bing on all of them Aug 19 18:20:13 so I can wake up by walking around the room turning the pesky things off ;) Aug 19 18:20:54 it would be good for devices within potentially BT range to pick up on the shared wakeup time Aug 19 18:20:57 and ring as required Aug 19 18:21:36 it would have to be cross platform app though, because I currently have alarm clock in windows and linux and on my maemo devices Aug 19 18:21:43 hmm Aug 19 18:22:05 * MohammadAG ponders how to get rid of "The following packages cannot be authenticated" Aug 19 18:22:38 thats a different issue with digitally signed uploads etc Aug 19 18:22:50 GPG? Aug 19 18:22:56 yep Aug 19 18:23:17 hmm, so how do I get a key to sign them? Aug 19 18:23:32 I noticed Quim mention "Linaro" has that got something to do with MeeGo? Aug 19 18:23:47 responsible actions gain confidence :) Aug 19 18:24:04 Linaro is the meego-clone of Ubuntu Aug 19 18:24:07 ish Aug 19 18:24:16 Hrm, okay Aug 19 18:24:25 Didn't seem like that on their website. Aug 19 18:24:58 i might be wrong :) Aug 19 18:25:03 what do you think it is Aug 19 18:25:03 Linaro, can you make calls with it? Aug 19 18:25:12 I don't know, that's why I was asking :) Aug 19 18:25:20 It didn't look like a Linux distro though Aug 19 18:25:38 It looked more like some kind of org for open hardware and Linux adaptation Aug 19 18:25:44 specifically ARM arch Aug 19 18:25:45 why not ask on #meego? Aug 19 18:25:58 Because it was posted on tmo :P Aug 19 18:25:59 Linaro is not a distrobution http://www.linaro.org/is-linaro-a-distribution/ Aug 19 18:26:57 No. Linaro focuses on low level software. Applications will need to be written for the target distribution that lands on top of Linaro e.g. LiMo, MeeGo, Ubuntu etc. Aug 19 18:27:18 Right Aug 19 18:28:00 So Linaro is an effort to make Linux (basically the kernel) run to it's fullest on ARM platforms Aug 19 18:28:03 5. No. We aim to work with as many Linux® distributions and software stacks as possible. However, the development will leverage some of Canonical's infrastructure such as LaunchPad, bringing a tried and tested structure to the organization. Aug 19 18:29:24 Ah, but they do have a reference deliverable (distribution) :) Aug 19 18:30:26 need some testers for the community SSU, PM me :) Aug 19 18:30:40 MohammadAG: bit early for a community SSU isn't it? :P Aug 19 18:30:51 SSU? Aug 19 18:30:56 not for me, then again, I'm impatient Aug 19 18:31:00 Heh Aug 19 18:32:00 MohammadAG: BTW, can you include some of the modest patches which are languishing in Bugzilla; which hrw had previously supplied a repo for in PR1.0/PR1.1 Aug 19 18:32:57 Moha Does thinks like fix quoting. Aug 19 18:33:22 Jaffa: sounds like a good idea. Aug 19 18:33:33 stick in fapman too ... Aug 19 18:33:37 * alterego is joking ;) Aug 19 18:33:51 :-p Aug 19 18:34:25 LOL Aug 19 18:34:34 Jaffa, will check those in a bit Aug 19 18:34:35 MohammadAG: And lma might be able to help with meta-packages and behaviour of upgrades and stuff Aug 19 18:35:37 MohammadAG: Cool, thanks. Aug 19 18:36:53 MohammadAG: How're you building, btw? Should have some mechanism so you can have helpers, since I suspect that a Fremantle community SSU is going to be crucial Aug 19 18:37:09 scratchbox at the moment Aug 19 18:37:16 Actually motivates the comunity to fix bugs like bug 10412 Aug 19 18:37:17 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10412 hildon-desktop cpu usage, result=causes slow battery drain Aug 19 18:37:36 Problem with diablo SSU was delay. Proactive good. Aug 19 18:37:44 Yeah, good point Aug 19 18:37:55 I'm glad you've taken the gauntlet MohammadAG you impatient bastard :P Aug 19 18:38:21 :) Aug 19 18:38:30 * DocScrutinizer pokes MohammadAG Aug 19 18:38:45 I should seriously think about getting a second N900 Aug 19 18:38:51 Hell, I might even look at 10412, and then make community SSU a pre-req for Catorise :) Aug 19 18:39:14 * luke-jr doesn't get why people need two N900s Aug 19 18:39:14 Or do I get the "N9" and use my current N900 for MeeGo development. Aug 19 18:39:33 luke-jr: because I'd like to be able to use my phone whilst working on MeeGo Aug 19 18:39:45 so use your phone Aug 19 18:39:53 Erm, the N900 is my phone ... Aug 19 18:39:58 N900 isn't a phone :P Aug 19 18:40:01 It's also my internet connection Aug 19 18:40:11 The phone bit of the N900 is a phone Aug 19 18:40:11 luke-jr: Those of running !Gentoo can use all the features of the h/w... Aug 19 18:40:22 Jaffa: those running Gentoo can too Aug 19 18:40:25 hi. any example on how to change the proxy settings from a script? Aug 19 18:41:11 luke-jr n900 is not a plnae is not a bird it's ... Aug 19 18:41:55 luke-jr: then call it can&string if you like. If you don't understand what I want to say, then give me your c&s number and I'll c&s you to explain, using my N900 Can&string Aug 19 18:41:58 #maemo-ssu registeredd Aug 19 18:41:59 -d Aug 19 18:42:02 * MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer Aug 19 18:42:38 the point is it's easier to get a dumb phone than anothr N900 Aug 19 18:42:39 :P Aug 19 18:53:15 Hi Aug 19 18:53:44 hi Aug 19 18:55:40 hey someone helps me, please. I am trying to use the android-installer on N810 but I haven't been successfully Aug 19 19:01:54 adrianogil: #nitdroid-help is a channel for that Aug 19 19:02:20 thanks pupnik Aug 19 19:10:21 Weee, lost the urlbar in bookmarks again. Aug 19 19:12:03 GAN900: ?? Aug 19 19:13:12 lcuk: get an alarm clock Aug 19 19:13:49 kerio, i have one Aug 19 19:13:55 and my 2 n900s in active use Aug 19 19:13:55 so use it Aug 19 19:13:56 :) Aug 19 19:13:57 and my computer Aug 19 19:14:04 and individually none work Aug 19 19:14:13 so I want a collaborative FOGHORN style wakeup Aug 19 19:14:36 and if I have to run round turning all off at once from random places it will be good Aug 19 19:14:45 i am just pissed with setting each of them individually Aug 19 19:14:51 or forgetting to unset one later Aug 19 19:20:09 lcuk: that's a funny idea Aug 19 19:20:58 lcuk: maybe you can get a portnumber for it from ICAN ? :-D Aug 19 19:21:07 NTP-A Aug 19 19:21:26 port 43210 Aug 19 19:21:58 lol DocScrutinizer Aug 19 19:23:24 DocScrutinizer, random port knocking is one thing, but it would be rather frustrating if its unauthenticated Aug 19 19:23:36 I would run round a hotel broadcasting that port at random times *evilgrin* Aug 19 19:23:55 can't believe #meego has more annoying trolls than #maemo Aug 19 19:24:49 i dont get the ppl joining with names like "n9awesome" or "meegoftw" etc Aug 19 19:25:45 frals, tbh, I don't get people nowadays Aug 19 19:30:30 lcuk: just ssh Aug 19 19:30:55 the servers have a sshd running, and logging in rings the alarm Aug 19 19:34:01 to enable/disable the proxy settings, I'm editing the /home/user/.mozilla/microb/prefs.js from my script, but as soon as I start the browser, the prefs.js goes to the default values... what I'm doing wrong? Aug 19 19:48:00 lcuk: how about if the port knocking is different based on time/date? :P Aug 19 19:48:18 then you've effectively got a shared key in the form of an algorithm Aug 19 19:48:18 lol Aug 19 19:48:33 I would rather have it authenticated to the house system Aug 19 19:48:48 ☺ Aug 19 19:48:52 still a fun idea Aug 19 19:49:16 actually, don't try to find it, but my dad's house computer is completely open to the net Aug 19 19:49:20 no passwords or anything Aug 19 19:49:37 luke-jr, nothing new Aug 19 19:49:40 you could probably burn his house down remotely if you tried Aug 19 19:49:47 :S Aug 19 19:50:16 well, it's Python-based… :P Aug 19 19:50:17 I'd be more interested in the internet banking account Aug 19 19:50:55 I have one of those Aug 19 19:51:04 They suck Aug 19 19:51:08 python based house burning system> Aug 19 19:51:09 ? Aug 19 19:51:18 INternet Bakning Account Aug 19 19:51:52 most people have an internet bank account now Aug 19 19:52:00 lcuk: Python-based home automation system ;p Aug 19 19:52:13 Still it makes me get less service from my bank Aug 19 19:52:23 lol Aug 19 19:52:35 I wish I could deposit checks online :/ Aug 19 19:52:49 I have to do everything by my self, in their crappy interface and use their stupid security crap. Aug 19 19:52:55 Like the number thing, I hate it Aug 19 19:53:20 lolcat93: I know your number, btw Aug 19 19:53:30 Oh? Aug 19 19:53:34 93 Aug 19 19:53:40 Lol :P Aug 19 19:54:06 Dammit Aug 19 19:54:17 just realized you made your password public? Aug 19 19:54:25 My icekubes melted and started dripping down on the N900 box Aug 19 19:54:39 fail Aug 19 19:55:27 luke-jr, cool Aug 19 19:55:44 I want it all to work happily with handheld though Aug 19 19:55:48 It is like haf a kilo of icekubes :S Aug 19 19:55:54 * lcuk has ideas Aug 19 19:56:19 I can't wait for my visa to arrive Aug 19 19:56:33 Then I can buy original BL-5J :D Aug 19 19:57:14 lcuk: the home automation system has an AJAX UI Aug 19 20:00:02 luke-jr, cool stuff, what sort of stuff does it automate? front door curtains lights etc? Aug 19 20:00:35 lcuk: doors, lights, freezers, alarms, sirens, thermometers, A/C, etc Aug 19 20:00:49 power meter, lightning/wind info Aug 19 20:01:06 awesome Aug 19 20:01:18 interesting Aug 19 20:01:54 sirens - lcuk that's your thing! :-D FOGHORN sirens Aug 19 20:01:56 security cameras IIRC Aug 19 20:02:00 * luke-jr wonders what else Aug 19 20:02:17 DocScrutinizer, YES! Aug 19 20:02:22 I do regret writing it in Python fairly often though Aug 19 20:02:26 hehe streaming live video from bedroom :-P Aug 19 20:02:42 * MohammadAG improves on the IRC protocol to support remote punches Aug 19 20:02:44 AWOOOGA AWOOOGA WAKE UP NOW !!! Aug 19 20:02:59 MohammadAG: that's like improving KDE 2 Aug 19 20:03:04 irc powered alarm calls will be good Aug 19 20:03:16 http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/housectl/ has some old screenshots :p Aug 19 20:03:37 omg @ all those widgets Aug 19 20:03:56 has that ui ever been on dailywtf? Aug 19 20:04:01 not afaik Aug 19 20:04:01 * lcuk remembers something similar Aug 19 20:04:14 it's gotten worse since my dad started "maintaining" the codebase <.< Aug 19 20:04:29 lcuk: DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 Aug 19 20:04:36 haha what Aug 19 20:04:41 maybe someday I'll actually be able to see it in person Aug 19 20:04:57 kerio: careful, Freenode K-lines for that Aug 19 20:05:04 pupnik: fix your router Aug 19 20:05:19 pupnik: your router is crap Aug 19 20:06:10 luke-jr, at one of the barcamps I went to Aug 19 20:06:23 omg Aug 19 20:06:26 there was someone who ran a digital pipeorgan Aug 19 20:06:31 just loaded the current version of it… Aug 19 20:06:32 ran on BBC micro Aug 19 20:06:38 it took at least 30 seconds to load Aug 19 20:06:58 I should make a screenshot of this… Aug 19 20:08:44 lcuk: Might get my Beeb down from the loft to teach Jaffa Jrs about real computing Aug 19 20:10:30 anyone knows how to add subitiles to VLC via command line? Aug 19 20:10:58 lcuk: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/housectl/ajax4.png Aug 19 20:11:22 kerio: why do you say that? Aug 19 20:11:56 because dcc send startkeylogger 0 0 0 Aug 19 20:12:06 oh, i guess it was just a coincidence Aug 19 20:12:12 kerio: or uppercase Aug 19 20:12:17 hmm Aug 19 20:12:23 DCC SEND whateverlolololololol Aug 19 20:12:28 hahaha awesome Aug 19 20:12:33 Jaffa, :) Aug 19 20:12:54 pupnik: see? Aug 19 20:13:22 th3hate, vlc --help Aug 19 20:13:23 luke-jr, thats actually cool Aug 19 20:13:39 when a certain string passes through your cheap router, your connection drops Aug 19 20:15:26 kerio, oh the dcc request is simple and stops at the router Aug 19 20:15:34 theres certain messages that can be blocked tho Aug 19 20:15:37 it's not a dcc request Aug 19 20:15:39 X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* Aug 19 20:16:01 it's DCC SEND astringthatsfourteencharactersormore Aug 19 20:16:02 used to have a high impact on certain windows machines Aug 19 20:16:35 (eicar is identified by all AV scanners and treated as malicious Aug 19 20:16:49 lcuk, what did you just try to do? Aug 19 20:16:53 LOL Aug 19 20:17:00 th3hate: antivirus standard test file Aug 19 20:17:03 nothing, go read up about EICAR Aug 19 20:17:12 lcuk, how'd you do that? Aug 19 20:17:23 to Aug 19 20:17:27 I means hi Aug 19 20:17:44 MohammadAG, how did I do it, or how do I know it? Aug 19 20:17:53 how did you do it? Aug 19 20:17:57 simple message? Aug 19 20:18:14 oh it was a problem years ago in some messaging thing Aug 19 20:18:45 it affected someone on our server Aug 19 20:18:50 on the eicar site they have variations Aug 19 20:19:15 that you can use to check your AV catches, its good to try to actually get a file with that content stored on your computer Aug 19 20:19:28 and to see exactly where your AV stops things Aug 19 20:20:30 so kerio :P stop with the random fakery and at least do things properly Aug 19 20:24:01 DocScrutinizer, when opening the browser and seeing the bookmarks window the URL bar is missing. Aug 19 20:24:32 ooops Aug 19 20:24:58 GAN900: how that? Aug 19 20:34:29 DocScrutinizer, dunno, just does after a while. Aug 19 20:35:57 killall browserd? Aug 19 20:36:23 lart timeless ? Aug 19 20:36:53 I installed apps with .desktop files in /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon - They show fine in the application list (the grid screen), but I can't add them to the home screen. Any hint appreciated! Aug 19 20:38:09 fabrice, have you had them on desktop prior to this time? and whilst I facfepalm at myself for saying this, have you rebooted already? Aug 19 20:39:24 lcuk, no, and no. It looks that /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu only includes /usr/share/applications/hildon Aug 19 20:40:07 ohhhh now i see Aug 19 20:40:28 22:39 [freenode] -!- kerio [kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92] Aug 19 20:40:33 cut it out Aug 19 20:40:49 freedom of speech dude Aug 19 20:40:57 fabrice, so its a limitation/bug Aug 19 20:40:57 private network Aug 19 20:40:58 it's *your* router that causes a disservice when somebody speaks Aug 19 20:41:07 fabrice, do you want to check if its already been filed as a bug Aug 19 20:41:26 lcuk, yep, where's the bug tracker? Aug 19 20:41:51 bugs.maemo.org Aug 19 20:42:15 * lcuk pokes MohammadAG - do you want to do some superhero trick ;) Aug 19 20:42:50 * MohammadAG jumps off the empire state building and tries to fly Aug 19 20:43:03 MohammadAG, but you threw it earlier Aug 19 20:43:05 FU LCUK!!! /me dies Aug 19 20:43:05 its on its side Aug 19 20:43:09 you didnt jump very far Aug 19 20:43:16 oh right Aug 19 20:43:21 * MohammadAG wakes up - embarrased Aug 19 20:43:31 embarrassed* Aug 19 20:47:00 lcuk, what did you want? Aug 19 20:48:15 i already told you :P Aug 19 20:49:41 sp3000 ping Aug 19 20:49:49 * MohammadAG scratches head, reads logs Aug 19 20:50:01 ~lart timeless Aug 19 20:50:02 * infobot plops timeless into a giant vat of herring Aug 19 20:50:04 Sounds good. Aug 19 20:50:07 timeless? Aug 19 20:50:24 what was that for? Aug 19 20:50:59 timeless, bookmarks application opening without a URL bar requiring restarting MicroB Aug 19 20:51:18 * sp3000 doesn't remember the steps for that Aug 19 20:52:06 i'd just ~lard for the *existance* of the bookmarks application Aug 19 20:52:11 and i'd also ~lart Aug 19 20:52:24 * sp3000 doesn't want to be larded Aug 19 20:52:24 hmm Aug 19 20:52:25 bug Aug 19 20:52:29 I doubt anyone noticed it Aug 19 20:52:38 ~lard timeless Aug 19 20:52:39 lcuk, seems to be a bug in hildon-home Aug 19 20:52:43 DocScrutinizer? Aug 19 20:52:49 * MohammadAG fetches sources, checks Aug 19 20:53:08 bookmarks isn't really an application Aug 19 20:53:25 it's still satan's spawn Aug 19 20:53:35 it's a list with screenshots and dbus sending buttons? Aug 19 20:54:02 kerio? Aug 19 20:54:10 add a ~lard to infobot pls Aug 19 20:54:14 hey, if i wanted to transfer 2gb of data, can i use adhoc wifi ? Aug 19 20:54:30 * timeless has two n900s and no trusted neighbors Aug 19 20:54:36 timeless, OK, whatever shows when you open browser. Aug 19 20:54:40 hd-multi-map.c <-- multitouch? Aug 19 20:54:48 (Which should really be a setting) Aug 19 20:54:49 timeless: you can yell the data, if you use ssh as you should Aug 19 20:54:54 the alternative is a 30min foot basd roun trip Aug 19 20:55:18 MicroSD? Aug 19 20:55:33 kerio: I don't have any lard I could gve to anybody. And particularly infobot I'm sure wouldn't appreciate, I know she hates all fat Aug 19 20:55:43 don't have sadly Aug 19 20:56:10 hrm Aug 19 20:57:23 timeless: seems like that's what adhoc is made for Aug 19 20:59:45 Or sneakernet. Aug 19 20:59:50 AKA swap microSD over Aug 19 21:01:44 adhoc + wpa2 + ssh Aug 19 21:01:54 sneakernet is meh Aug 19 21:02:54 225452 don't have sadly Aug 19 21:07:29 I am reading a service manual and it quite clearly says that when the back cover is removed both eMMC and MicroSD interfaces are powered down Aug 19 21:07:32 is that correct? Aug 19 21:09:14 quanttrom: yes. Aug 19 21:09:14 quanttrom: i haven't seen that myself - and i think i was reading from microsd Aug 19 21:09:19 hmm Aug 19 21:09:28 quanttrom: umm Aug 19 21:09:33 I think only microSD Aug 19 21:09:43 well it booted for sure Aug 19 21:09:51 yeah Aug 19 21:10:36 so that is done to prevent corrupted microsd cards? Aug 19 21:11:20 user may unplug Aug 19 21:11:23 So they unmount Aug 19 21:13:06 lets just assume I am reading a service manual from Nokia Aug 19 21:13:08 so yeah it says that Aug 19 21:13:51 well lets go into detail Aug 19 21:14:04 it says that an interrupt is send to OMAP which powers down both memory cards Aug 19 21:14:05 yeah, because why should you trust users with a phone made for nerds Aug 19 21:14:16 so technically it depends how that interrupt is handled Aug 19 21:14:26 quanttrom: the eMMC is still powered on and working Aug 19 21:14:41 that makes me wonder... what if your back cover broke? Aug 19 21:14:42 ok thank you guys :) Aug 19 21:15:07 short /open the magnetic sensor Aug 19 21:21:42 Interesting. Aug 19 21:21:42 dmesg says on open cover Aug 19 21:21:46 [61524.116516] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible Aug 19 21:21:46 [61524.422485] mmc0: card bfa2 removed Aug 19 21:21:57 However - mydocs accessibility does not change Aug 19 21:22:03 So manual is wrong. Aug 19 21:22:12 One of the RM-680 bug reports mentions a firmware: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-301 which also mentions RX-71, RM-581, RM-660 and RM-696 Aug 19 21:22:36 I recall 71 before Aug 19 21:23:01 SpeedEvil: Indeed, came out in kernel references whilst we were waiting for RX-51 (N900) Aug 19 21:23:02 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?find=%2Fkernel%2F&string=rx71 Aug 19 21:23:03 yeah Aug 19 21:25:08 to call gconftool-2 in a script, do I have to call it with run-standalone.sh? why? Aug 19 21:29:00 never mind Aug 19 21:29:01 :-) Aug 19 21:29:14 Just make sure you do it with the right user Aug 19 21:36:34 How does a phone recognize what battery is currenly in it if it is used with multiple batteries? Aug 19 21:36:44 EEPROM in the battery? Aug 19 21:38:12 * lcuk vanishes to do some stuff Aug 19 21:38:33 quanttrom, battery has 3 connections for a purpose Aug 19 21:38:54 but I am not sure how it handles swapping between and whether it retains its history or if it gets reset Aug 19 21:40:24 lcuk: I have seen some with 4 as well. I am just curious Aug 19 21:41:33 I tried to google it but didn't have much luck Aug 19 21:46:13 if you have any links feel free to share :) Aug 19 21:48:00 quanttrom: the n900 has no battery ID Aug 19 21:48:04 quanttrom: It can't Aug 19 21:48:30 quanttrom: The n900 has a crap battery Aug 19 21:48:34 It can have ID chips. Aug 19 21:48:51 the battery charge monitor chip can do ID Aug 19 21:49:06 But, it's not actually integrated in the battery as it's designed to be Aug 19 21:49:12 It's on the motherboard Aug 19 21:49:21 so it's a motherboard ID, not a battery ID. Aug 19 21:49:25 This is not very helpful Aug 19 21:49:47 moin Aug 19 21:51:07 morning... okay, i'm not sure how often this question has already been asked here... but is there just any fucking way to align desktop-widgets/shortcuts to grid? Aug 19 21:51:16 yes Aug 19 21:51:20 I am so damn bored Aug 19 21:51:23 they are aligned on a grid by default Aug 19 21:51:26 but it's 4 pixels Aug 19 21:51:53 i could swear they are not Aug 19 21:52:40 You can't see 4 pixels on the screen Aug 19 21:52:50 * SpeedEvil looks for tha tthread. Aug 19 21:59:01 SpeedEvil: so esentially every time u swap the battery the battery gauge is unaware and uses wrong information Aug 19 21:59:05 that's not nice... Aug 19 22:01:15 Commodore-Freak: install tweakr Aug 19 22:01:20 you can set the grid size Aug 19 22:02:29 trying it out atm Aug 19 22:03:45 quanttrom: pretty much Aug 19 22:04:05 hey Aug 19 22:04:18 is there a *tiny* emmc image available? Aug 19 22:04:40 pr1.0 Aug 19 22:05:11 the images i could find were 256mb or so Aug 19 22:05:32 kinda breaks my budget Aug 19 22:05:35 ah tweakr seems to do provide exactly the functionality i was looking for :) Aug 19 22:05:36 great, thx Aug 19 22:05:45 It now contains /opt Aug 19 22:05:49 well Aug 19 22:05:52 sortof Aug 19 22:05:57 not really Aug 19 22:06:13 * timeless kicks it Aug 19 22:06:32 timeless, could rummage around in the morning for you Aug 19 22:06:35 /opt is part of the mmc image and is moved over at first run Aug 19 22:06:40 yeah Aug 19 22:06:42 can anyone point me to the fremantle source repos? Aug 19 22:06:45 lcuk: ineed it *now* Aug 19 22:06:50 :( Aug 19 22:06:56 and i don't have vpn magic here Aug 19 22:07:23 fabrice, theres loads of source on http://maemo.gitorious.org/ Aug 19 22:07:25 * timeless grumbles Aug 19 22:07:48 all the desktop components and a load of other goodies Aug 19 22:07:50 lcuk, regarding my menu issue, it looks like the issue is with /home/user/.config/menus/hildon.menu not being used Aug 19 22:08:08 is there an lxr like tool? Aug 19 22:08:14 theres a metric shittonne of code on garage.maemo.org Aug 19 22:08:18 yeah fabrice we know Aug 19 22:08:29 you know what? Aug 19 22:08:36 talk to MohammadAG51 he spent a little time tracking it down Aug 19 22:08:41 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/ Aug 19 22:08:52 but we were waiting for your proper report :P Aug 19 22:08:53 SpeedEvil, thanks Aug 19 22:09:02 lcuk, ok, I'm gonna file a bug Aug 19 22:10:02 speedevil: is that working today? Aug 19 22:10:06 cool :) Aug 19 22:10:14 the server moved and nokia dns masters... Aug 19 22:10:18 timeless, yeak your mxr is working a treat :) Aug 19 22:10:21 oh, wow Aug 19 22:10:31 * timeless wonders how it's working Aug 19 22:10:33 I used it earlier with MohammadAG51 and I saw SpeedEvil giving links b4 Aug 19 22:10:35 oh well Aug 19 22:10:42 magic Aug 19 22:10:48 :) Aug 19 22:10:59 * lcuk thanks you everytime I open it! Aug 19 22:11:21 one warning, i can't remember which fremantle fremantle is Aug 19 22:11:40 it does for 99% of things Aug 19 22:11:40 probably harmattan Aug 19 22:11:41 :P Aug 19 22:11:46 heh Aug 19 22:11:55 fremantle12 is obvious Aug 19 22:12:04 pr1.1? Aug 19 22:12:05 :P Aug 19 22:12:25 nah, i don't think i ever really picked up 1.1 Aug 19 22:14:34 alias: fremantle fremantle-20091116 Aug 19 22:14:46 i could change fremantle to point to 12 Aug 19 22:14:50 if people like Aug 19 22:15:11 it will help timeless Aug 19 22:15:29 there were a few compatability changes and slightly newer apis available Aug 19 22:15:34 and most are on pr1.2 now Aug 19 22:16:55 * lcuk has lost truman show dvd Aug 19 22:17:42 hrm, i think i've changed it to 12 Aug 19 22:17:58 not sure offhand how to prove it Aug 19 22:21:41 check kernel revisions Aug 19 22:23:22 does anyone here see an sd card slot on the n9? Aug 19 22:26:40 lcuk, MohammadAG, MohammadAG51 : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11163 Aug 19 22:26:41 Bug 11163: user Aug 19 22:26:55 user? :/ Aug 19 22:27:29 must be a PEBKAC Aug 19 22:27:35 um Aug 19 22:27:48 write failed after 655360 bytes Aug 19 22:27:52 kerio, yeah you must be perfect Aug 19 22:27:53 lcuk, how did you cope with your stylus finger/thumb? this is terrible Aug 19 22:27:59 usb_buk_write: no error Aug 19 22:28:03 MohammadAG51, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11163 Aug 19 22:28:04 Bug 11163: user menu is not used to build shortcut list Aug 19 22:28:21 ShadowJK, hmm? Aug 19 22:28:28 where are you reading it? Aug 19 22:28:40 fabrice, cool Aug 19 22:29:07 lcuk, well, fixing this what would be really cool Aug 19 22:29:08 any chance you can upload a deb or point to an example git repository so that user can reproduce easily? Aug 19 22:29:38 lcuk, I can provide a .desktop file Aug 19 22:29:41 hey did anyone ever make a group sms sending feature? Aug 19 22:29:49 @mozilla.com? Aug 19 22:29:54 lcuk: i remeber this xray of an injury you were pasting? Aug 19 22:29:54 will moving a standard desktop into that location reproduce it for him Aug 19 22:30:07 ShadowJK, sure, I notice it every time I pick up the sugar Aug 19 22:30:07 MohammadAG51, yes Aug 19 22:30:19 and the nail grows a bit wonky Aug 19 22:30:22 but otherwise its fine Aug 19 22:30:54 hehh this "flick" person is on a bit of a rampage it seems... Aug 19 22:31:10 mece where? Aug 19 22:31:28 oh right it's -F -F Aug 19 22:31:30 * ShadowJK has injured left thumb in a fibre splicxing related incident and finding it hasd to type on hwkeyb with thumb in bandages :) Aug 19 22:31:31 lcuk, tmo, N9 thread currently, but all over. Aug 19 22:31:32 silly me Aug 19 22:31:51 ShadowJK, ahh ouchy Aug 19 22:33:11 lcuk, he posted this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=792408&postcount=202 in a couple of threads. Aug 19 22:33:51 :( Aug 19 22:35:45 * ShadowJK reported one of them with "opinions on nokia cs policies and their political alignment are offtopic for this thread" :D Aug 19 22:36:10 I'd report it as "kids, drugs are bad for you" Aug 19 22:36:11 cs? Aug 19 22:36:30 closed source? Aug 19 22:36:31 counter strike obviously Aug 19 22:36:46 counter strike source Aug 19 22:36:49 * lcuk is just as flummoxed Aug 19 22:37:03 ShadowJK, care to elaborate Aug 19 22:37:11 customer service Aug 19 22:37:36 brb Aug 19 22:39:59 timeless, how do I disable translation so the UI comes up with the standard labels? Aug 19 22:40:41 mv locales and restart UI Aug 19 22:40:55 /usr/share/locales Aug 19 22:41:28 /usr/share/locale* Aug 19 22:42:14 yep, seems to work for me Aug 19 22:42:24 anyone know a good guide for changing which backend canola uses for audio? Aug 19 22:43:58 awwwwww Aug 19 22:44:00 i miss canola Aug 19 22:49:15 evening all Aug 19 22:49:28 so... Aug 19 22:50:06 anyone here understand how to workaround wifi wps or whatever Aug 19 22:50:34 eep timeless nope Aug 19 22:50:44 Mousey, canola has someone working on it for gsoc Aug 19 22:50:54 super awesome Aug 19 22:51:50 anyone had to return their N900 to Nokia? Just trying to get an idea on how long repairs take Aug 19 22:52:25 I was having some screen problems a few days ago, thought it had cleared up, and then bricked it tonight with an app update :/ Aug 19 22:53:44 ok, with enough hand twisting, it worked! Aug 19 22:53:59 lcuk: so, our WPS stuff is terribly broken Aug 19 22:54:27 it doesn't understand that the e.g. cisco epc3825 wifi router only does button pairing Aug 19 22:54:31 not pin pairing Aug 19 22:57:41 timeless, humm Aug 19 22:57:49 how rare are the routers? Aug 19 22:57:50 lcuk: LOCALE=C ? Aug 19 22:58:12 DocScrutinizer, I did what I needed by brute force thanks Aug 19 22:58:19 I just have to remember to put it back afterwards Aug 19 22:58:23 its on my principle phone Aug 19 22:58:34 incredibly common Aug 19 22:58:56 yup Aug 19 22:59:08 when i went to stockholm, the wifi ap at nokia's office there was button auth Aug 19 22:59:11 no pin Aug 19 22:59:22 it was a royal pain to pair it Aug 19 22:59:37 it wasn't this specific cisco Aug 19 22:59:42 hmm Aug 19 22:59:47 but the button only auth class is very common Aug 19 23:00:01 and ime it never works the first 5 times w/ n900s Aug 19 23:00:12 :( Aug 19 23:00:16 button pairing was a bit odd the only time i tried it.. Aug 19 23:00:28 question, my phone was in middle of texting and it seemed to shut down screen when off etc but didn't, come back up and seemed to work ok. Now i get nothing screen is lik semi lit but nothing else any ideas? Aug 19 23:01:01 noctule, unsure Aug 19 23:01:37 someone said it was common thought on the n97 Aug 19 23:01:43 fault aswell Aug 19 23:02:10 FireStorm|, is it charging at the moment? Aug 19 23:02:25 EPARSE Aug 19 23:02:51 timeless, for me it timed out, then when i tried to connect to same ap again, it just connected Aug 19 23:03:17 yeah, i remember that Aug 19 23:03:31 lcuk not plugged in no Aug 19 23:03:37 i was out and about Aug 19 23:03:37 FireStorm|, unplug the connection if so, remove the battery, reconnect it and see if it boots Aug 19 23:03:43 odd Aug 19 23:03:44 done that Aug 19 23:03:55 even odder Aug 19 23:04:14 left battery out for 10 misn put back in nothing Aug 19 23:04:26 it seemed to boot up but u don't hear the nokia song u get Aug 19 23:04:54 DocScrutinizer, if you put it in flashing mode does it charge at same time? Aug 19 23:05:10 nope Aug 19 23:05:13 FireStorm|, does it show any content on the screen Aug 19 23:05:20 nope Aug 19 23:05:23 2 secs let me grsb iit Aug 19 23:05:24 afaik not Aug 19 23:05:39 black screen Aug 19 23:05:46 but when u slide it open the backlight comes on Aug 19 23:06:12 NOLO 'NOKIA' Aug 19 23:06:36 nope Aug 19 23:06:37 nothing Aug 19 23:06:39 get nowt Aug 19 23:06:55 turning it on get white light Aug 19 23:07:22 plug it into usb and turn it on again and see if it shares files Aug 19 23:07:51 screen or backlight? Aug 19 23:08:49 hw Aug 19 23:09:20 sigh slow sd card is ... slow :) Aug 19 23:10:19 FireStorm|: insert bat, plug in charger, watch screen in bright light for large 'NOKIA' Aug 19 23:10:59 hmm Aug 19 23:11:06 pluggs in via usb nothing Aug 19 23:13:10 took battery out, put battery back in plugged in by usb charger, charging ok windows detects it Aug 19 23:13:14 nothing on screen Aug 19 23:13:43 black screen with black light on Aug 19 23:14:21 :( Aug 19 23:14:32 but when turned on orange light not flashign to say it's charging. Aug 19 23:15:16 hw defect. FPC ribbon Aug 19 23:15:24 english? hehe Aug 19 23:16:54 fpc ribbon? Aug 19 23:16:57 e.g it fooked? Aug 19 23:17:50 flat/flexible plastic connector. the ribbon cable connecting the 2 halves Aug 19 23:18:21 listen to DocScrutinizer on that Aug 19 23:18:23 he broke his Aug 19 23:18:34 (and he's a electronic engineer - for shame!) Aug 19 23:18:39 ah Aug 19 23:18:42 or total fsckup of all NAND Aug 19 23:18:49 how did u fix it then DocScrutinizer Aug 19 23:19:35 swap display PCB Aug 19 23:19:50 ffs Aug 19 23:20:03 but maybe it's just the plug got loose Aug 19 23:20:05 i cracked screen and sent it back to where i got it and they changed screen would this effect it? Aug 19 23:20:35 that's somewhat related Aug 19 23:20:53 sweet Aug 19 23:20:59 back to crapphonewarehouse it goes Aug 19 23:21:59 just annoying nothing but problems with this phone :( Aug 19 23:22:26 they easy to take apart? Aug 19 23:23:25 basically yes. but also easy to break exactly that FPC during disassembly Aug 19 23:23:35 ah Aug 19 23:23:39 i'll let them do it then Aug 19 23:23:39 or reassembly Aug 19 23:23:41 it's insured Aug 19 23:23:59 sure the better option Aug 19 23:25:03 I'd nevertheless try a rootfs flashing prior to sending in Aug 19 23:25:17 how would i do that? Aug 19 23:25:39 as usual Aug 19 23:25:51 ~flashing Aug 19 23:25:52 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 19 23:27:08 i can't do it though as it don't boot up? Aug 19 23:28:34 flashing isn't relying on what's usually called boot Aug 19 23:29:01 it depends on NOLO only Aug 19 23:29:33 the bootloader Aug 19 23:31:22 what's happening on indicator LED when you power up via power button, after bat insert? Aug 19 23:32:19 grr dam net connection Aug 19 23:32:20 i can't do it though as it don't boot up? Aug 19 23:33:19 see chan log Aug 19 23:34:11 i disconnected so didn't see it Aug 19 23:34:12 :p Aug 19 23:34:17 but u said try flashing it Aug 19 23:34:22 and i said i can't as it don't boot up? Aug 19 23:35:24 how long since it powered of since you attempted to start it again? Aug 19 23:35:31 s/of/off Aug 19 23:36:30 urm been off 10 mins or so Aug 19 23:37:22 FireStorm|: try again? Sometimes it takes a littlt while to boot up again, you are getting zero reponse from the device? Aug 19 23:37:37 nar it goes to boot up Aug 19 23:37:44 black screen but backlightcomes on and nothing Aug 19 23:38:04 i was using it sending txt and it semeed to reboot but didn't. Then it come back on and seemed ok then i went to cal lsomeone and screen went off Aug 19 23:38:15 DocScrutinizer said it's the screen cable thats at fault. Aug 19 23:38:34 oh, he's way more knowledgable than me, most likely right then Aug 19 23:38:44 DocScrutinizer could i plug the output cable into a screen and see what i'm doing... Aug 19 23:39:53 you can try, but AV usually also flawed by FPC break. And NOLO doesn't support AV at all afaik Aug 19 23:40:13 bah that sucks so much Aug 19 23:40:18 crappy nokia :p Aug 19 23:40:50 you closed the slide prior to breakage? Aug 19 23:41:28 yer Aug 19 23:41:31 been using it all day fine Aug 19 23:41:33 gone out Aug 19 23:41:44 went to txt someone to tell them i was outside and then it went off screen Aug 19 23:41:53 it was like that for few minutes then come back on and was ok Aug 19 23:42:12 then about hour later went to call someone and it had gone off Aug 19 23:43:37 ::::::( Aug 19 23:44:00 grr why do the product id have to be so msall :( Aug 19 23:50:32 ah well cheers for help DocScrutinizer going to flash it now see what happens Aug 19 23:51:36 probably nothing as you obviously got a FPC break Aug 19 23:51:46 maybe not flash it Aug 19 23:52:10 halp Aug 19 23:52:15 unless you got a ssh login and saved all your data Aug 19 23:52:19 i have a backup from pr1.1 Aug 19 23:52:26 i restored it on pr1.2 Aug 19 23:52:37 and now conversations shows no messages Aug 19 23:52:43 lol Aug 19 23:52:43 not even new outbound Aug 19 23:52:54 or new inbound once the message is closed Aug 19 23:53:01 i got ssh login but don't know ip addy for it Aug 19 23:53:04 should i just leave it then Aug 19 23:53:30 lol Aug 19 23:53:58 FireStorm|: you'd for sure be able to find correct IP from e.g. nmap or router diagnostics Aug 19 23:54:06 thats long Aug 19 23:54:11 as don't allways connect to wireless Aug 19 23:54:28 i'll leave it and go to bed Aug 19 23:54:35 as its 1am and i'm up at 6am lol Aug 19 23:54:58 if it's not configured to autoconnect then for sure you are out of uck Aug 19 23:55:25 it is but we got multiply networks round here all open Aug 19 23:55:31 and it's random as to what it picks up lol Aug 19 23:55:32 anyone know how to debug rtcom eventlogger? Aug 19 23:56:15 cheers for help DocScrutinizer51 will let ya know how i get on with it Aug 19 23:56:22 and if it doesn't boot up correctly to a stage where at least kbd gives click or backlight response, then there's no way to ssh to it Aug 19 23:57:07 that wha i though as i run a password and when u boot up u gotta enter pass before it finsihing booting Aug 19 23:57:12 FireStorm|: good luck Aug 19 23:57:23 thanks lol, i need it Aug 19 23:57:41 they should do it as i've had new screen 2 weeks if that so can't see why it wuold be a problem Aug 19 23:57:45 infact 2 weeks sat Aug 20 00:00:22 :0 Aug 20 00:01:26 if you feel extremely venturous the you could try and fold a paper 3 times and push it in from kbd open up under the screen *carefully* and no further than upper end of lower half Aug 20 00:02:01 this *might* temporarily fix the FPC/connector breakage, by gently pushing down on it Aug 20 00:04:53 anyone know how rtcom deals w pr1.1 ot pr1.2 upgrades? Aug 20 00:06:30 screw that paper nonsense. Just tested - not feasible Aug 20 00:07:18 paper nonsense ? Aug 20 00:07:49 odin_: backscroll? Aug 20 00:08:49 * timeless finds a page which has suggestions Aug 20 00:45:20 hi Aug 20 00:46:05 i tried apt-get upgrade in scretchbox, but error: Aug 20 00:46:18 qemu: Unsupported syscall: 338 Aug 20 00:46:36 qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting Aug 20 00:47:12 why? Aug 20 00:50:21 what system you running qemu on ? uname -m ? Aug 20 00:50:35 what kernel version uname -r Aug 20 00:53:30 2.6.27-16-generic Aug 20 00:53:47 and arm Aug 20 00:53:59 target: sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL Aug 20 00:55:05 syscall 338 is looks to be set_robust_list on ARM Aug 20 00:55:57 Jigglypuff_: 'arm' has no single meaning here Aug 20 00:56:05 what KIND of arm? Aug 20 00:56:23 uname -m = arm Aug 20 00:56:24 :D Aug 20 00:56:28 on scratchbox Aug 20 00:56:33 its sbox emulated ARM I guess Aug 20 00:56:39 yes Aug 20 00:57:03 the issue is that you are running per-binary emulation but really you are still Intel Aug 20 00:57:27 as opposed to using qemu to emulate the entire N900 including a kernel Aug 20 00:58:04 since Intel does not have a syscall 338 (but 336 does exist) Aug 20 00:58:05 so, how can i fix this? Aug 20 00:58:22 what is the program you are running ? you run ./a.out and get a qemu: error right ? Aug 20 00:58:55 when i run fakeroot apt-get -f upgrade Aug 20 00:59:44 and without fakeroot, i.e. use 'sudo' ? Aug 20 01:00:00 same error Aug 20 01:00:14 without sudo - superuser needed error Aug 20 01:00:20 and 'su' then 'apt-get upgrade' Aug 20 01:00:44 maybe you broke your install does -f mean force ? Aug 20 01:01:11 su - command not found i think, but now i cant test, cuz reinstalling now the sdk files.. Aug 20 01:02:54 i tried install libsdl-mixer1.2-dev and get many dependency error, therefore tried apt-get upgrade... Aug 20 01:03:13 maybe try a refresh scratchbox setup ? but using fakeroot with apt-get sounds wrong and if -f means force, even wronger, you are likely to leave your files hosed since instead of rolling back the software update the errors are hidden Aug 20 01:03:33 i wonder if your arm kernel is just too old to know that syscall... Aug 20 01:05:45 I dont believe an ARM kernel runs under scratchbox, its application level emulation Aug 20 01:06:01 oh Aug 20 01:06:40 hm but whats the qemu then for? Aug 20 01:09:28 providing the emulation, while qemu can emulate an entire hardware device in the case of scratchbox its only called upon to provide emulation of an ARM CPU to make an executable run Aug 20 01:10:21 ah so this is qemu-user then? Aug 20 01:10:51 or linux-user... i.e. qemu-arm not qemu-system-arm... Aug 20 01:10:55 that label is just a packaging facet Aug 20 01:11:40 well i meant the type of qemu emulation Aug 20 01:12:29 since qemu can either emulate an entire box/board or just a process Aug 20 01:20:35 i hope working after reinstall... Aug 20 01:20:57 too many package, too slow download speed :D Aug 20 01:35:13 hehe Aug 20 01:35:15 working :) Aug 20 01:37:28 what is -lsmpeg? Aug 20 01:39:33 mpeg1 it seems Aug 20 01:40:48 http://www.lokigames.com/development/smpeg.php3 Aug 20 01:41:57 hmm, i need this, what is package name? :D Aug 20 01:43:43 this? SMPEG library Aug 20 01:43:45 jaj Aug 20 01:43:49 i cant link Aug 20 01:44:03 cuz irc on windows, and sdk is in virtual linux :D Aug 20 01:45:09 apt-cache search finds libsmpeg0 and libsmpeg-dev Aug 20 01:45:55 hm shouldnt you be able to apt-cache search from sdk too? Aug 20 01:46:43 i think yes, but works now, i installed libsmpeg0 and libsmpeg-dev Aug 20 01:47:34 make[1]: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. Aug 20 01:47:37 what is this? Aug 20 01:48:05 sometimes VM clocks can be unstable... Aug 20 01:49:19 so this is not error? Aug 20 01:49:29 and make uses timestamps to find out if stuff needs rebuilding Aug 20 01:49:43 if you built from scratch you should be safe Aug 20 01:49:54 ok :) thx Aug 20 02:02:05 morning Aug 20 02:02:35 If you insist. Aug 20 02:02:40 I still have 2 hours, though. Aug 20 02:02:49 5AM here Aug 20 02:02:59 still awake from yesterday Aug 20 02:03:33 i enjoy that more than i should. Aug 20 02:03:46 being up for a sunrise/early morning is great Aug 20 02:03:54 MohammadAG, i am disappoint. Sleeping only 8 hours per 48 Aug 20 02:03:56 indeed Aug 20 02:03:57 NYC is awesome during that time, going from sleep, etc. Aug 20 02:04:07 to being a city. Aug 20 02:04:12 TermanaN900, sleeping is a waste of time Aug 20 02:04:19 lies. Aug 20 02:04:31 I am your father Aug 20 02:04:38 Doubtful. Aug 20 02:04:54 i do lucid dreaming and/or sleep walking, to do stuff while sleeping Aug 20 02:04:58 :D lol Aug 20 02:05:15 TermanaN900: too bad you don't do sleep coding. Aug 20 02:05:23 and have the foresight to solve really complex things. Aug 20 02:05:42 whilst sleep coding. Aug 20 02:05:48 i dreamt i coded i huge +15k app once Aug 20 02:06:06 i've dreamt i couldn't sleep. worst thing ever. Aug 20 02:06:12 mortini, yeah, but i do dream of #maemo and bash.org so, i pretty much do in my sleep what i do during the day Aug 20 02:06:32 :P Aug 20 02:07:04 i have dreams that i go back to highschool and everything's the wya it was for awhile, and hten i realize that i actually live in NYC now, and have to convince people that i no longer live in BFEl. Aug 20 02:07:08 -l. Aug 20 02:10:01 mortini is a city and mortini his father :-x Aug 20 02:10:50 mortini is a city and MohammadAG51 his father :-x Aug 20 02:10:59 ETAB Aug 20 02:11:17 LOL Aug 20 02:11:32 http://gawker.com/5615971/apples-freedom-from-porn-enforcer-drawn-to-porn-stars-and-escorts-on-twitter Aug 20 02:12:17 DocScrutinizer: lies! Aug 20 02:15:36 maemo needs a porn app, to see how many pervs will buy an N900 for that Aug 20 02:15:48 haha Aug 20 02:15:53 MohammadAG: the browser works for thart. Aug 20 02:15:54 ideally, it needs to use the open source xvid format, 800x480 Aug 20 02:16:18 SpeedEvil, yeah well... you need DSP acceleration or it's not real porn Aug 20 02:16:52 on a related note Aug 20 02:17:00 why the f is MohammadAG here :o Aug 20 02:17:03 http://www.myfreecams.com/#ashasnow - someone linked me to last night - she was reading hitchhikers guide to the galaxy naked. (notr worksafe) Aug 20 02:17:12 Worked fine on n900 Aug 20 02:19:07 lol? Aug 20 02:19:47 Just the internet is an increasingly silly place. Aug 20 02:20:03 indeed Aug 20 02:22:36 bah, not even works on KDE4 Aug 20 02:23:20 or 30s is an unbearably long period of time for me Aug 20 02:29:33 perverts Aug 20 02:33:09 not me Aug 20 02:33:16 didn't even click the link Aug 20 02:33:40 killed my perverted a month or two ago :p Aug 20 02:33:50 now i only make perverted jokes Aug 20 02:36:49 luke-jr, sorry, you had a question for me? Aug 20 02:37:16 It's - technically - a very silly website. It populates the HTML page through a connection to flash which talks to the site on a socket. Aug 20 02:37:24 bbl Aug 20 02:37:41 So it's a huge mess of complex js/flash/... Aug 20 02:48:56 MohammadAG51, you killed your pervert? Does that remove you from the sexual predator list? Aug 20 02:53:32 I guess you signed a NDA when you cut a deal for your murder prosecution Aug 20 02:55:19 Night all! Aug 20 02:56:09 'night SpeedEvil Aug 20 02:57:53 ok, now i'm pissed **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 20 02:59:56 2010