**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 24 02:59:58 2010 Aug 24 03:06:01 ok. how the hell does this facebook im work in telepathy? Aug 24 03:09:25 bottom. of. pacific. ocean. Aug 24 03:09:50 ah. never mind. got it working Aug 24 03:09:51 blah Aug 24 03:21:41 Macer: same way it works in any XMPP client Aug 24 03:21:58 luke-jr: pr 1.2 has an actual client Aug 24 03:22:23 Macer: your point? it's not related to telepathy Aug 24 03:26:22 uhm Aug 24 03:26:32 telepathy is the client :) Aug 24 03:26:41 i said nevermind. i got it working. miss that part? Aug 24 03:27:27 not sure if it was in 1.1.. but 1.2 has fb in telepathy. i just had a problem with the pw for some reason. i just changed it and it logged in just fine Aug 24 03:42:20 well. i guess fb doesn't do s2s for jabber? Aug 24 03:47:50 HDMI is such a pain in the ass. Aug 24 03:48:10 HDCP. The content cartels need to be broken up already. Aug 24 03:48:57 Macer: you can do jaber with fb yes Aug 24 03:50:57 Killing browserd, Modest and rtcom-messaging-ui fixes my slowness here. Aug 24 03:58:14 GAN900: thoughts on the N9? Must-buy? Aug 24 04:05:39 pupnik, I will not be buying unless it's discounted or free. Aug 24 04:06:11 Had enough of Nokia's customer and community abuse. Aug 24 04:07:29 I think you were unfortunate to be heavily involved in t.m.o. when the n900 user flood hit Aug 24 04:09:48 asj: no need. there is an actual fb acct setting Aug 24 04:33:12 pupnik_, unfortunate, perhaps, but it doesn't have much to do with my opinions now. Aug 24 05:01:27 send a buncha texts I want to cancel now how?? Aug 24 05:01:36 file I can rm? Aug 24 05:02:56 ?? Aug 24 05:03:08 1. go offline Aug 24 05:03:10 can you disable the compositing on the n900? Aug 24 05:03:17 2. if they're already 'sent', it's too late Aug 24 05:03:28 3. if they aren't, you can just delete them from the ui Aug 24 05:03:33 4. go back online Aug 24 05:03:39 I tried rebooting... soon as it came to the desktop it started sending again Aug 24 05:04:06 * timeless_mbp leaves Aug 24 05:04:15 * ham5 trees Aug 24 05:08:52 why does the rss applet sometimes go blank and say no posts? Aug 24 05:09:01 shouldent they always stay on? Aug 24 05:09:16 pigeon: not practically Aug 24 05:17:14 hmm Aug 24 06:32:10 re Aug 24 06:34:09 maem0 Aug 24 07:23:01 good morning, Europe Aug 24 07:31:45 hi Aug 24 07:31:47 sup Aug 24 07:32:09 mornin' kerio Aug 24 07:32:24 morn johnx Aug 24 07:32:32 hey Stskeeps Aug 24 07:43:37 hey everybody, anybody an idea how following python problems can be solved? http://pastebin.com/pCJEYRKV <--- output and here my 'dpkg -l | grep python' output --> http://pastebin.com/3zUSwMe2 Aug 24 07:45:22 Stskeeps: erm, distribution generally *IS* disallowed by default Aug 24 07:45:49 Morning, all Aug 24 07:45:59 timeless_mbp: pong Aug 24 07:46:17 luke-jr: i asked for clarification too Aug 24 07:48:41 Jaffa: so... Aug 24 07:49:00 i'm getting annoyed at the fact that i don't have a good way to get photos for people in my addressbook Aug 24 07:49:06 can you help me? :) Aug 24 07:50:07 The bad way is getting them manually? Aug 24 07:50:09 timeless_mbp: try Facebook Aug 24 07:51:05 timeless_mbp, you want me to take photos of people? Aug 24 07:51:14 can it be any people? Aug 24 07:51:26 johnx: nah, there's this guy who lives in the basement who did all the hard work Aug 24 07:51:41 timeless_mbp: Yes, I have a tool which might help :-) Aug 24 07:51:50 i just want some advice on how to take advantage of him Aug 24 07:51:56 O_o; Aug 24 07:52:11 timeless_mbp: ...although since I doubt you use Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn the only two which might help you are Gravatar (for people with email addresses) and the under-development maemo.org provider Aug 24 07:52:26 Jaffa: i'm considering my own provider Aug 24 07:52:47 http://myservice/getphoto?user=email@well-known-domain.com Aug 24 07:53:21 Jaffa: i'd actually like to consider an open source implementation of 'getphoto' Aug 24 07:53:37 the goal is for it to autoconfigure Aug 24 07:53:41 timeless_mbp: Interesting. Aug 24 07:53:50 you ask it to load a url and tell it the urlpart that varies Aug 24 07:53:56 it downloads all pictures on the page Aug 24 07:54:09 timeless_mbp: Provider API is pretty straightforward: populate a Friend object with stuff and the rest takes care of itself Aug 24 07:54:10 and blacklists all the ones whose aspect ratio is 2:1/1:2 or worse Aug 24 07:54:36 then show the user the rest of the pictures. the user selects one Aug 24 07:54:44 and you blacklist everything else Aug 24 07:54:53 ideally w/ this approach you auto tune in one go Aug 24 07:55:19 you ask the user to try a couple more contacts to verify it works, and then the user configures the autotuned provider w/ your thing and moves along Aug 24 07:55:38 maybe I'm being dumb, but where does getphoto get the pics from? Aug 24 07:55:53 johnx: ever worked for a company? Aug 24 07:55:54 the internetz! Aug 24 07:56:03 timeless, ah, LDAP? Aug 24 07:56:03 Appiah: nah, the other one. Aug 24 07:56:06 Intranet Aug 24 07:56:20 johnx: sadly, no. intranet "phonebook" Aug 24 07:56:53 actually, we were close to putting employee 'profiles' in LDAP, but ended up going with a drupal as the definitive source Aug 24 07:56:58 we may copy it into LDAP though Aug 24 07:57:18 vCard? Aug 24 07:57:31 the vcards i have don't seem to have photos sadly Aug 24 07:57:32 CalDAV? Aug 24 07:57:37 hence the web scraping magic Aug 24 07:58:00 CardDAV would be awesome. Not one really good mature open source implementation though that I know of Aug 24 07:58:41 johnx: AFAIK at least evolution works fine with storing vCards in plain WebDAV Aug 24 07:59:00 that's good to know for me at home Aug 24 07:59:07 we're mac on the desktop at work though Aug 24 07:59:33 and actually, I oscillate between tolerating evolution and loathing it, on alternate days Aug 24 08:00:04 one of the companies I work for issues me a laptop… I had to choose between Thinkpad and MacBook Pro… even with the VMWare layer between the hardware and Linux, I think MBP was the better system tho :P Aug 24 08:00:26 * timeless_mbp nods Aug 24 08:00:38 which is funny, because I got a macbook from work and I keep looking at getting a thinkpad x series for home/travel Aug 24 08:00:51 well, teh Thinkpad was like Pentium M generation… Aug 24 08:01:14 well, yeah, that'd be a deal breaker for me Aug 24 08:01:39 I'd take an X201 or X200, but I think I'd pass on an X61 or X60, to say nothing of the older ones Aug 24 08:02:39 Jaffa: right... Aug 24 08:02:48 so what is this Friend object? Aug 24 08:02:55 and where is this doc? Aug 24 08:06:23 Hi, can anyone tell me how I can get "py_compilefiles" to work on the build system? I always tells met that it is not found... Aug 24 08:20:10 timeless_mbp: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=tree;f=package;h=f67e141e750041f9a89864d145ef3dc746a7f6d4;hb=HEAD (src & tests should help) Aug 24 08:20:39 timeless_mbp: and, more specifically, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/src/org/maemo/hermes/engine/friend.py;h=632f33af551c55a2b2289e4f61659032165b0235;hb=HEAD Aug 24 08:20:51 timeless_mbp: See the gravatar service for something closest to what you want Aug 24 08:43:20 moo Aug 24 08:49:01 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Ping! I suspect that hildon-extras-scanner is hanging again, and this time on i386, but I'm not sure :( Can you please check out what's going on with the build process for libhildon-extras_0.9.2? Aug 24 08:49:23 _|Nix|_: Ok, let me check. Aug 24 08:49:44 _|Nix|_: Yes, nice Xvfb running ;) Aug 24 08:56:34 Jaffa: around? Aug 24 08:57:26 crashanddie: I just had to ask the same ;E Aug 24 08:57:48 hrw: bonus points if it's about perl Aug 24 08:57:57 crashanddie: pong Aug 24 08:58:11 Jaffa: do you mind sharing the perl script you're using for MWKN? Aug 24 08:58:40 Jaffa: I just need a quick reference, and that script has everything I need Aug 24 08:58:46 crashanddie: It's all in svn - https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=mwkn Aug 24 08:58:50 thanks Aug 24 08:58:52 crashanddie: no, I am n00b at perl Aug 24 08:59:41 _|Nix|_: Looks a lot better now ;) Aug 24 08:59:53 Jaffa: would it be possible to implement bug 8743 in hermes? Aug 24 08:59:54 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8743 No way to get contact informations from IM system Aug 24 09:00:48 hrw: Theoretically, yes. Aug 24 09:01:03 hrw: Do you know how the "check contact VCard on IM system" bit works? Aug 24 09:01:25 no Aug 24 09:01:26 hrw: I suspect it's protocol specific rather than a separate web service or RESTful API Aug 24 09:01:47 xmpp would be enough for me ;D Aug 24 09:04:34 :-) Aug 24 09:05:44 hrw: If it's an XMPP packet, there are two interesting bits: 1) getting an authenticated session to the server so that the request can be made; 2) knowing what to request Aug 24 09:06:14 yep Aug 24 09:07:36 Jaffa: There should be libs for that? Aug 24 09:09:34 python-pyxmpp handles that Aug 24 09:31:36 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: OK, NM ... must've taken a while, because it all seems to be OK for now ... Aug 24 09:32:33 _|Nix|_: I killed Xvfb. Aug 24 09:33:09 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Really? I guess the part of the script that kills it after it's done using it doesn't kill it ... Aug 24 09:33:38 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: But the application that requires an X connection did not fail to execute successfully. Aug 24 09:34:12 _|Nix|_: I think it failed. But the version submitted after that did succeed. Aug 24 09:34:34 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about the successful one. Aug 24 09:35:24 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: dpkg-buildpackage on the buildbot never executes the cdbs common-post-build-indep:: target, so the server never gets killed. Aug 24 09:35:52 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: OTOH, it seems to get started twice ... Aug 24 09:35:53 _|Nix|_: Is the server call backgrounded? Aug 24 09:36:02 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Of course. Aug 24 09:36:17 <_|Nix|_> Check out run-xvfb.sh from the root of the libhildon-extras source tree. Aug 24 09:37:04 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: I have to figure out where into debian/rules to put the call to run-xvfb.sh --kill (which kills the Xvfb server) so that it gets executed during the build process. Aug 24 09:37:19 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: I don't want to leave X servers running around after I'm done building. Aug 24 09:39:19 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: I'll upload a christmas-tree version of the debian/rules, i.e., one that contains all possible targets and each target just has one line: echo ... that way, I can check which cdbs targets the buildbot actually hits. Aug 24 09:39:43 _|Nix|_: Ok, I'll be ready to kill stuff when needed. Aug 24 09:40:01 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Awesome ... Thanks! Aug 24 09:52:18 Hey that's weird, without bme running, I get no sound in earphone during calls Aug 24 09:52:24 though speakerphone works Aug 24 09:52:48 hrhrrrhrr Aug 24 09:53:13 bme actually has some channel to PA opened iirc Aug 24 09:53:21 ya Aug 24 09:53:27 which module links to bmeipc? Aug 24 09:53:27 :P Aug 24 09:53:48 iirc it had a nokia in the name Aug 24 09:54:45 libnokia-common.so Aug 24 09:54:47 completely unclear once more (due to missing system integration specs for bme) what all that PA cruft in BME is meant for Aug 24 09:54:57 module-nokia-music.so Aug 24 09:55:03 module-nokia-record.so Aug 24 09:55:13 module-nokia-voice.so Aug 24 09:55:49 Ah well, it was only a telemarketer I went "Hello! Hello? Hello?... Heeellllooo !?" at Aug 24 09:55:50 @#!!¬đ€đß!!?! Aug 24 09:55:52 those are oss now i believe Aug 24 09:56:52 BS :-( Aug 24 09:57:05 ShadowJK: those are open now, to my knowledge Aug 24 09:57:06 sec Aug 24 09:57:09 ~nuke closed source nokia magic Aug 24 09:57:10 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at closed source nokia magic ... B☢☢M! Aug 24 09:58:27 maybe one could have a massive LD_PRELOAD infront of the real bme to make it think it's doing something useful :-) Aug 24 09:58:47 RE made easy, you even get uncommented calls to the blob functions in disclosed source of other proprietary crap now Aug 24 09:59:16 but that's like a week of writing ioctl emulations :/ Aug 24 09:59:27 if you're lucky you even might figure what all this BS is meant for Aug 24 09:59:37 http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego Aug 24 10:00:07 ...sometimes Aug 24 10:00:39 s/Battery/Bullshit/ Aug 24 10:04:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314#c25 has it all, to the point Aug 24 10:04:15 Bug 9314: Relicense BME Aug 24 10:04:26 A quick look and I find no reference to bme in those sources :/ Aug 24 10:04:38 yeah, you bet Aug 24 10:04:41 maybe one could compile those meego modules and put them in maemo5 :-) Aug 24 10:06:24 see RE made easy, ... Aug 24 10:09:48 man those guys on t.m.o. tearing their hairs out trying to make their N900 reproduce music without butchering it would bang their heads into their desks if they saw the -music module code Aug 24 10:11:20 hmm? Aug 24 10:11:23 [citation needed] Aug 24 10:13:05 Some people experience dynamic range compression to the equivalent of having someone drilling into your skull through your ears Aug 24 10:13:57 I gather that's no quote from source :-P Aug 24 10:14:16 no Aug 24 10:14:24 that's a summary of the now hair-less people on tmo Aug 24 10:14:29 dyn compression for sure is a *BAD* idea generally, for music playback Aug 24 10:15:02 it might be sensible for ringtone playback, but that's it then Aug 24 10:16:13 a soft limiter for music might be useful, also massive dyn compr. for speakerphone is a standard procedure Aug 24 10:17:30 ShadowJK: reproduce music on those speakers? Headphone audio is said to be very good/.// Aug 24 10:17:39 there's a reason for all but the most cheap crappy tape recorders with ALC have 2 settings: music & voice Aug 24 10:17:55 pupnik_, they are experiencing compression on the headphone output too Aug 24 10:18:15 that can be easily measured Aug 24 10:18:17 why n900 doesn't resend automatically smses which fail to be delivered? Aug 24 10:19:22 Scelt: fail like what? there's been reports of phones with this nice option creating $$$$$ bills for their users, when sending SMS abroad Aug 24 10:19:56 pupnik_, yeah he did, iirc Aug 24 10:20:12 DocScrutinizer: when SMS fails to be delivered, it just shows a red triangle as a sign of an error but I have to resend it manually Aug 24 10:20:33 Scelt: I'd not want it any other way, tbh Aug 24 10:20:38 feature, not bug for reasons DocScrutinizer said Aug 24 10:21:10 DocScrutinizer: I would. If I wanted to send it already, why wouldn't I want it to be delivered? Aug 24 10:22:57 Scelt: sending SMS to 197001010000 would result in E:NO-VALID-NUMBER but you are charged for that SMS. Now phone resends 3 SMS / second. Nice, huh :-P Aug 24 10:25:02 DocScrutinizer: I don't have a habbit to send sms to invalid numbers :P Aug 24 10:25:10 DocScrutinizer, is this a bad idea? wanna tell them why? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=796220 Aug 24 10:25:13 afaik N900 actually tries resend as long as failure is caused to missing connectivity. Once the SMS is sent, it's sent Aug 24 10:25:31 I'd imagine it'd put a pretty big load on the capacitors, and wikipedia tells me they wear out faster Aug 24 10:26:29 Scelt: (sent is sent) no matter if the SMS fails to deliver Aug 24 10:26:35 hi all! Aug 24 10:26:50 full newbie question Aug 24 10:27:20 i had downloaded the sdk Aug 24 10:27:28 how to see the emulator? Aug 24 10:27:49 have I to start a xephyr on :2? Aug 24 10:30:14 ShadowJK: there's a link in there to my hotswap post. Nothing more to say Aug 24 10:30:57 DocScrutinizer: Usually operators should tell why sms delivery fails. N900 could do logical action considering that Aug 24 10:31:46 ShadowJK: (load on capacitors) hm? well, there's a bit of increased load to the main buffering cap (100uF iirc), but that's a ceram type and those don't wear out Aug 24 10:33:42 Scelt: It could, maybe. And it does, in my POV. The only logical action is to NOT send again, until user decides to scrutinize the SMS and figure if the destination is E:WRONG-NUMBER, E:MOVED-PERMANENTLY or E:NO-FREE-STORAGE Aug 24 10:35:10 there's still a friggin lot of phones out there, that actually refuse to accept new SMS when user fails to delete old SMS from storage Aug 24 10:36:11 DocScrutinizer: it could be optional. And it could try to send that SMS after 5 minutes once instead of spamming 10 times a minute Aug 24 10:37:05 Scelt: general rule of thumb: device MUST NOT start any action that causes fees charged to user, without user's explicit permission for the exact amount it will charge to user's account Aug 24 10:37:08 ~2119 Aug 24 10:37:09 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Aug 24 10:39:30 DocScrutinizer: I know but it's also crappy to notice after few hours that your sms didn't deliver for some bullshit reason Aug 24 10:39:38 though phone usually has no clue about what costs money and what does not Aug 24 10:42:07 FxIII: yes Aug 24 10:51:39 I run `Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb &` Aug 24 10:52:00 but i cant see the desktop, just a black screen and the programs i tested Aug 24 10:52:22 ( it makes sense for me but i dont know how to start the desktop) Aug 24 10:57:04 isnt there a startSomething command in path to start the desktop manager? Aug 24 11:03:05 hi, i have added QT+=maemo5 in my pro file, but still it says QMaemo5InformationBox no such file or directory, any advice? Aug 24 11:04:04 FxIII: /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop start? or maybe try upstart --up hildon-desktop Aug 24 11:47:32 hi Aug 24 11:48:03 im trying to set my n900 to 1ghz using kernel-config load ideal_1000, but it doesnt seem to switch Aug 24 11:48:12 ideal works for 850 though Aug 24 11:48:44 ~oc Aug 24 11:48:45 methinks oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s Aug 24 11:48:49 ~overclocking Aug 24 11:48:50 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Aug 24 11:49:43 lol jacekowski Aug 24 11:59:55 :) Aug 24 12:00:09 * Jaffa foods Aug 24 12:00:28 already got it. its just in case i need some more speed from it Aug 24 12:00:49 most of the time its probably better to uc it Aug 24 12:06:37 The adventures of 'lil cthulhu' ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHJUrcVdJk Aug 24 12:09:33 Hi all ! Aug 24 12:09:58 ey Aug 24 12:11:14 * Khertan is coding a pylint plugin for khteditor Aug 24 12:36:18 * RST38h moos evilly Aug 24 12:37:28 * SpeedEvil farts evily. Aug 24 12:45:42 * pigeon koos evily. Aug 24 12:49:17 * Duckboot procastinates evily Aug 24 12:53:12 ShadowJK: (phone usually has no clue) that's the precise rationale to NOT resend SMS on arbitrary failure to deliver Aug 24 13:07:08 ehlo raster Aug 24 13:08:50 RST38h: blergh! Aug 24 13:44:28 blergh? Aug 24 13:45:34 ehlo RST38h Aug 24 14:00:25 Khertan: btw, I didn't manage to understand or use pypackager so when I just fixed py2deb (fixed the wrong XMBC bugtracker link and added pretty name support) Aug 24 14:02:27 Shapeshifter, http://khertan.net/pypackager_howto Aug 24 14:03:16 pypackager == py2deb + other features Aug 24 14:03:47 Khertan: Any screenshots of Khweeter, BTW? Aug 24 14:04:11 Jaffa, http://khertan.net/khweeteur Aug 24 14:04:29 Khertan: Cool, Thanks Aug 24 14:05:37 cool words of the day: Aug 24 14:05:43 add-dons; add-dress Aug 24 14:06:05 gni� ? Aug 24 14:06:58 going back to work :) Aug 24 14:07:52 nah, taking a break to survey the world Aug 24 14:07:58 * lardman feels the pain of needing to write a MATLAB gui Aug 24 14:08:48 that sounds bad Aug 24 14:09:04 * an1n gives some painkillers to larsivi Aug 24 14:09:08 Khertan: yeah but it didn't work Aug 24 14:09:09 well, wrong complete Aug 24 14:09:10 <.< Aug 24 14:09:18 Khertan: I can't remember what didn't Aug 24 14:09:19 lardman: But why, WHY? Aug 24 14:09:25 Shapeshifter, it work Aug 24 14:09:37 but I consider myself not to be complete computer illiterate >.> but it didn't, something was broken Aug 24 14:09:39 RST38h: MATLAB or GUI? Aug 24 14:09:46 Shapeshifter, i use it from khteditor, pypackager, pygtkeditor and many others Aug 24 14:09:57 I'll try next time Aug 24 14:09:58 s/from/fro Aug 24 14:10:01 s/from/for Aug 24 14:10:17 lardman: Matlab GUI Aug 24 14:10:29 lardman: isn't command line sufficient? Aug 24 14:10:40 yeah, well I need to arbitrarily combine images, command line doesn't cut it there Aug 24 14:10:48 combine, look, goto 1 Aug 24 14:11:29 ah Aug 24 14:15:36 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Could you please do another kill? Aug 24 14:16:29 _|Nix|_: Done Aug 24 14:16:36 <_|Nix|_> Thanks! Aug 24 14:17:13 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: It immediately succeeds afterwards ... does the buildbot attempt to switch to a different target before calling the build successful? Aug 24 14:17:43 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: It shouldn't matter if the build process leaves some processes running after itself ... Aug 24 14:19:19 _|Nix|_: It just runs the armel build and then the i386 one. Aug 24 14:19:56 _|Nix|_: But obviously something keeps waiting.. Aug 24 14:30:29 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: I checked and this happens: It starts the X server. It kills the server. It starts the server. Aug 24 14:30:52 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: I'm trying to juggle the debian targets so the last thing it does is kill the server. Aug 24 14:31:25 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: ... because starting the server causes it to be killed first, so there's no risk of running multiple servers. Besides, you can't run multiple X servers for the same display. Aug 24 14:32:33 _|Nix|_: But obviously something is waiting for something to finish? Aug 24 14:32:52 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Judging from https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.2-3/armel.build.log.OK.txt it should be OK. But lessee what happens on i386 ... Aug 24 14:33:13 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: The only thing I can think of is the leftover running process ... Aug 24 14:33:38 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: libhildon-extras_0.9.2-1 had a non-blocking debian/rules ... Aug 24 14:33:53 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Check it out: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.2-1/ Aug 24 14:34:07 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: That one finished successfully without any kind of blockage. Aug 24 14:34:27 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: I'm trying to use it as a template for the final debian/changelog ... Aug 24 14:34:32 _|Nix|_: I now see Xvfb running again. Aug 24 14:35:19 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: It should run for a while and then diea. Aug 24 14:35:21 <_|Nix|_> die. Aug 24 14:37:44 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: I have an idea ... I can tell the server to die after the session ends ... Aug 24 14:40:32 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: I think I need another kill :( It really sucks that scratchbox behaves so differently from the buildbot ... I wouldn't have to submit so often, and ask you to kill :-S Aug 24 14:41:09 _|Nix|_: sleep 60; killall Xvfb :) Aug 24 14:42:02 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Sure ... but where to put that? Did I mention I hate cdbs? Aug 24 14:43:04 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Argh ... it never kills the server ... Aug 24 14:46:46 I just generated the doc for the new project I'm working on Aug 24 14:46:57 after fixing all the preprocessor macro stuff that broke the doc Aug 24 14:47:01 530MB worth of doc Aug 24 14:47:08 and that's without a single line of comment Aug 24 15:14:16 harr, lastfm on n900. finally Aug 24 15:15:09 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Well, I added sleep 300 ; kill -9 $(pidof Xvkb) to a second backgrounded function ... lessee ... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.2-4/ Aug 24 15:16:12 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Can you see a "sleep 300" among the processes? Aug 24 15:20:25 _|Nix|_: not now. Aug 24 15:20:56 _|Nix|_: Need to step out now, bbl. Aug 24 15:20:59 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Did you do any killing lately? I hope not, because it looks like it finished by itself. Aug 24 15:21:10 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Alright, L8R Aug 24 15:21:11 _|Nix|_: Nope, didn't touch it. Aug 24 15:21:16 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Sweet! Aug 24 15:37:37 lardman, write MATLAB gui i nvisual basic :p Aug 24 15:37:54 lardman, write MATLAB gui in visual basic :p Aug 24 15:38:00 hmm Aug 24 15:38:11 well would be easier to just write the code I need in VB tbh Aug 24 15:38:16 haha Aug 24 15:38:19 or Python Aug 24 15:38:35 yeah Aug 24 15:38:50 lardman, did you see the facial recognition stuff recently? Aug 24 15:39:03 I saw a thread, not had a chance to look into it though Aug 24 15:39:27 the guy doing one part of the research is at manchester uni :) http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/philip.tresadern/proj_facerec.htm Aug 24 15:39:53 yep I noticed that Aug 24 15:41:22 I think the guy was in here a couple of times. Aug 24 15:41:55 interesting Aug 24 15:43:17 Jusrt on the face recognition aspect Aug 24 15:44:50 cool Aug 24 15:57:54 argh Aug 24 15:58:19 some kind of mistake I've made which makes my scrollbar numbers go off by one Aug 24 16:00:05 does anyone here have any strong opinions on github vs gitorious? Aug 24 16:00:31 lardman, more wine. Aug 24 16:00:40 ieatlint, gitorious is more formal Aug 24 16:01:06 yeah, I wonder if it's the delta that improves coding, going from 0 to 1 glass should make some improvements in that case Aug 24 16:01:07 github is community oriented and "friendlier" at making clones and commenting and stuff Aug 24 16:01:31 easier than one-click-clone lcuk? :D Aug 24 16:01:41 s/easier/friendlier/ Aug 24 16:01:42 frals meant: friendlier than one-click-clone lcuk? :D Aug 24 16:01:47 so if i want a "community" project, you'd lean towards github... whereas if i want to publish code, gitorious Aug 24 16:02:12 ieatlint, just personal opinion, I am a member and committer to both Aug 24 16:02:22 github just feels less formal Aug 24 16:02:33 i've got code on github, and have always been a tad meh on it for some reason Aug 24 16:03:03 * lcuk likes github "issues" pages Aug 24 16:03:14 kinda feels like i'm working on some half-assed broken wiki for some reason, although i don't have any good examples of why it feels like that Aug 24 16:03:47 holy crap, kernel compiled in real 9m41.396s Aug 24 16:03:58 new laptop > my i5 desktop Aug 24 16:05:08 "Dear Reggie! Please, add ignore lists functionality to t.m.o!" Aug 24 16:05:33 "Dear community, post better stuff so people stop whining" Aug 24 16:05:53 lcuk: Well, "community" is an oxymoron, but Reggie is quite real Aug 24 16:50:54 dear Nokia, please tell me what's the mystery with BT_FREQ in your N900 schematics Aug 24 16:54:28 ~wtf utsl Aug 24 16:54:30 UTSL: use the source, Luke Aug 24 17:02:22 Nokia, you have implemented http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/magic-story.html to N900 via BT_FREQ ? :-P Aug 24 17:04:30 ugh... hottest day of the year :( Aug 24 17:06:07 hy everybody Aug 24 17:06:17 someone can explain me why we could'nt use the .deb build by qtcreator to distribute an app ? Aug 24 17:11:52 Hi Aug 24 17:28:46 there are too many map application for maemo, I'm all confused now! Aug 24 17:29:22 It's okay, because none of them are really usable. Aug 24 17:31:20 heyho Aug 24 17:31:43 Who want to help me with some problems on my n900 Aug 24 17:33:13 you'll find much better luck stating a problem than just generically asking for help Aug 24 17:33:13 disse, why don't you talk about your issues and see if anyone jumps and offers assistance :) Aug 24 17:33:19 :P Aug 24 17:33:27 I wanted to programm on my n900 Aug 24 17:33:33 (I was writing :D) Aug 24 17:33:53 easier to ssh into your desktop to do it :) Aug 24 17:34:01 I wanted to install gcc on my n900 Aug 24 17:34:09 with this tutorial Aug 24 17:34:10 http://ossguy.com/?p=475 Aug 24 17:34:30 after working on /home/user/programming directory it worked to run Aug 24 17:34:32 * mgedmin likes Maep Aug 24 17:34:41 but now, I wanted to programm with gtk Aug 24 17:34:48 for its simplicity Aug 24 17:34:57 http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/tutorial/html/sec-installation.html Aug 24 17:35:03 (but it lacks a couple of features, e.g. sattelite info) Aug 24 17:35:07 holy crap Aug 24 17:35:10 and that happened Aug 24 17:35:11 http://pastie.org/1112822 Aug 24 17:35:18 uh, yeah, installing gcc on your n900 is going to be messy and laggy, you're much better off using scratchbox on a desktop Aug 24 17:35:34 oke, but it was only for testing Aug 24 17:35:41 * lcuk just adds sdk/tools repo, does "apt-get install build-essential" remove sdk/tools and can run make and gcc happily :) Aug 24 17:35:53 mgedmin, for your mapping needs Aug 24 17:35:57 lcuk: on n900? Aug 24 17:35:59 do you want full featured routing etc Aug 24 17:36:03 kerio, yeah Aug 24 17:36:07 what happens if you don't remove sdk and tools? Aug 24 17:36:11 have done that from the n810 days Aug 24 17:36:18 kerio, i dunno Aug 24 17:36:19 why this is not working Aug 24 17:36:23 i only ever do specific things with it Aug 24 17:36:31 disse, I dunno, ask in the thread Aug 24 17:36:42 which thread? Aug 24 17:36:45 its explaining a completely different mechanism to how I would go about it Aug 24 17:36:50 the one you posted Aug 24 17:36:52 it has comments Aug 24 17:37:00 so, comment and ask for help perhaps Aug 24 17:37:23 lcuk, generally I assume routing won't work so I don't care about it; what I care about is fast startup (so Maps is out) and simple, clear UI (Mappero fails this) Aug 24 17:37:49 but I only wanted to install gtkmm and this had many errors Aug 24 17:38:00 and gcc is now away Aug 24 17:38:08 incidentally, why doesn't osm2go have an option to give me a square klick around my GPS position? having to pan and zoom the map is tedious Aug 24 17:38:15 disse, installing all the full dev environment tools on n900 is not trivial Aug 24 17:38:19 and apt-get install libhildonmm-dev libhildon-fmmm-dev libhildonnotifymm-dev Aug 24 17:38:20 did not work Aug 24 17:38:33 you have to understand that busybox is not the same environment and some tools will have problems Aug 24 17:38:49 dpkg-buildpackage might be one Aug 24 17:38:57 yes, it is Aug 24 17:39:06 most people have trouble with ./configure stage too Aug 24 17:39:10 apt-get source will probably choke on the last part Aug 24 17:39:16 * lcuk sticks to simple makefiles :) Aug 24 17:39:20 oke, but if I want to run a simple gtk application, it will work? Aug 24 17:39:32 run != compile Aug 24 17:39:37 i still don't get wtf were they smoking when they decided to use busybox Aug 24 17:39:50 kk Aug 24 17:39:51 kerio, go back to the start Aug 24 17:39:54 pot, or crack Aug 24 17:39:57 its not a wtf as busybox works Aug 24 17:40:04 so I should install scratchbox and program there Aug 24 17:40:08 for 99.9% of usecases Aug 24 17:40:12 and execute on n900? Aug 24 17:40:13 it works on an embedded device, indeed Aug 24 17:40:24 disse, thats the easiest for full featured dev environment yes Aug 24 17:40:27 yes Dialekt Aug 24 17:40:31 err, sorry Aug 24 17:40:35 disse* Aug 24 17:40:40 but why in the tutorial they say that? Aug 24 17:40:51 mgedmin, everyone cares about fast startup Aug 24 17:40:52 http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/tutorial/html/sec-installation.html Aug 24 17:41:00 and because of Maps being what it is Aug 24 17:41:04 why they explains it so? Aug 24 17:41:15 (sorry for a little bad english) Aug 24 17:41:21 theres lots of people who have attempted their own, like all things OSS it will stabilise once traction grows Aug 24 17:41:41 maybe Aug 24 17:41:42 lcuk: there's no reason to choose busybox though Aug 24 17:41:44 not on the n900 Aug 24 17:41:48 for a loong time there was just maemo-mapper Aug 24 17:41:54 now there's an explosion for random map packages Aug 24 17:41:59